* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THIS WILL [00:00:01] BE THE START OF OUR SECOND BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, ELECTRICAL CODE COMMITTEE. TODAY IS MARCH 10TH, 2022. I HAVE US AT ABOUT ONE 15 TO KICK IT OFF. UH, WE'LL START THIS MEETING WITH OUR ANNOUNCEMENT FOR DUAL LANGUAGE. WELL, I CAN TELL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO A QUICK ROLL CALL, [ Roll Call  ] MAKE SURE WE HAVE QUORUM. RON CMES PRESENT. JOHN MARTIN LON COLBERTSON. MARK BEAMUS, EDWARD DEL TORO. PRESENT GARY KONZ. PRESENT, LIDDEL TOY PRESENT, PETE LEY, MARK ROSS, MICHAEL RUST. WE HAVE THREE OUT OF FIVE PRIMARY MEMBERS PRESENT. UH, WE ALSO HAVE GARY KONZ AS ALTERNATE TO EDWARD DEL TORO, WHO IN CASE WE HAVE ANY OPEN VOTES, UH, FOR ALL. AYE, UH, WE GO TO EDWARD DEL TORO AND NOT GARY, JUST AS, AS A ROSTER. ADY ITEM. OKAY. I THINK THAT WE HAVE QUORUM. WE CAN HAND IT OVER TO THE CHAIR. I THINK WE ARE, FIRST ITEM WILL BE PUBLIC [ Public Comments  ] COMMENTS OPEN. I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOMETHING WITH. OKAY. I'D LIKE, UH, RECOGNIZE TO THE MICROPHONE, PUBLIC COMMENT. YEAH. JUST, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. HELLO, I'M ALAN MONTEMAYOR. I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE ALMA GROUP OF THE SIERRA CLUB. I RESIDE AT 1 5 2 BLUT, UH, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. UH, FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS DO TO HELP KEEP US SAFE. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF HOURS OF VERY EXACTING DETAIL ON ALL OF THIS, UH, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. IT'S BEHIND THE SCENES. THE PUBLIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY SEE IT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. UM, I WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY BRIEFLY. THIS IS NOT THE EXACT RIGHT FORUM TO BEGIN THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IT IS MY INITIAL INPUT INTO IT. I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT, UH, SOLAR READY AND EV READY INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND THESE ARE CHANGES TO THE BUILDING CODE THAT WILL MAKE, UH, IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO EASILY INSTALL SOLAR ENERGY ON THEIR HOMES AND ALSO TO, UH, BRING AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE INTO THEIR HOME AND, AND BUSINESSES AS WELL. THESE ARE RELATIVELY MINOR CHANGES IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS. HOWEVER, THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT. IF WE DO THESE THINGS UPFRONT, IT WILL VASTLY DECREASE THE COST, UH, TO THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER AND THE USER OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. UM, FOR, AND I'M JUST GONNA SUMMARIZE THEM VERY QUICKLY. I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ANY DETAIL BECAUSE WE'LL DO THAT IN THE ENERGY SECTION OF, OF THESE CODE REVISIONS. BUT BASICALLY, UH, I'M COMING BEFORE THE ELECTRICAL COMMITTEE TODAY BECAUSE, UH, THESE ARE PRIMARILY ELECTRICAL CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SOLAR READY. REALLY ALL IT ENTAILS IS, UH, HAVING A CERTAIN ROOF AREA AT A CERTAIN ORIENTATION, UH, ON THE COMPASS, UH, AND A CERTAIN, UH, UH, FREE OF PLUMBING, UH, FIXTURES THAT ARE STICKING UP THROUGH THE ROOF IN ORDER TO KEEP ENOUGH ROOF AREA TO ALLOW SOLAR PANELS TO BE MOUNTED TO THE ROOF. IT IS, UH, THE ADDITION OF ONE SLOT AVAILABLE IN THE ELECTRICAL PANEL FOR AN ELECTRICAL BREAKER TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO WIRE IN THE ELECTRIC PANELS. THOSE TWO CHANGES ALONE WILL MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR MANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE TO BRING SOLAR INTO THEIR HOMES. AND THIS IS CRITICAL AS WE, UH, BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON SAN ANTONIO AND THE CHANGES THAT C P S ENERGY NEEDS TO DO TO REALLY TAKE US INTO THE NEXT CENTURY FOR THE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE READY, UH, ASPECT OF THIS, UM, REALLY ALL IT IS, IS A SINGLE 240 VOLT PLUG, UH, INSTALLED IN THE GARAGE. AND THIS MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO PLUG IN THE ELECTRICAL CHARGING, UH, DEVICE, UH, VERY SIMPLY, RATHER THAN HAVING TO RETROFIT IN, WHICH IS MUCH MORE COSTLY TO THE, THE HOMEOWNER. UM, WE'RE REALLY THINKING THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE GOING TO, UH, THEY, THEY ARE THE COMING THING. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THEY ARE HERE. IN FACT, I DROVE HERE IN AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND, UH, I, I LOVE IT. UM, BUT THERE, IT'S, IT'S A WIN-WIN WIN FOR THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO IF WE BRING ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEM IN THEIR HOMES. UH, FOR C P S ENERGY, IT MEANS THE POSSIBILITY OF SELLING MORE ENERGY, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT WHEN THESE THINGS ARE TYPICALLY CHARGED WHEN THEY HAVE ABUNDANT AND, UH, CHEAP, UH, ENERGY AVAILABLE FROM WIND ENERGY. UH, FOR THE CITIZEN, IT MEANS REDUCED OPERATING COSTS AND REDUCED LIFECYCLE COSTS FOR THEIR VEHICLES. UH, FOR THE AIR QUALITY, IT MEANS REDUCED EMISSIONS, BOTH FOR THE GENERATION OF POWER, IF IT'S COMING FROM WIND, THE REDUCTION [00:05:01] IN THE, UM, UH, EVAPORATIVE EMISSIONS FROM GASOLINE AND DIESEL VEHICLES. SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE, ARE POSITIVES FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, JOHN COURAGE HAS BEEN BEHIND THESE CHANGES IN THE PAST. COUNCILMAN COURAGE. WE HOPE THAT HE WILL BE ATTENDING A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND HELPING US SHEPHERD THIS THROUGH THIS YEAR. AUSTIN HAS ADOPTED MANY OF THESE SAME KINDS OF CHANGES, UH, AND WE HOPE THAT SAN ANTONIO THIS YEAR WILL DO SO. SO I VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME TODAY. I'M NOT GONNA TAKE UP ANY MORE OF YOUR VERY VALUABLE TIME HERE. THANK YOU AGAIN. I WANNA, UH, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO VISIT WITH US TODAY. IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GIVEN US QUITE A BIT OF THOUGHT AND CONSIDERATION AND, AND LOOK FORWARD TO ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS IN THE FUTURE. MY PLEASURE, SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY OTHER, OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS. UH, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY EMAILS, UH, TO PUT ON THE RECORD FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL. SO WE'LL MOVE HIS, UH, [ Approval of Minutes  ] TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS ELECTRICAL CODE COMMITTEE FROM MARCH 3RD, 2022. I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. OH, SO YEAH, YEAH. AND, UH, REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY. UH, JUST FOR RECORDKEEPING PURPOSES, YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME, UH, FOR ANY MOTIONS AND SECONDS. UH, RON KAMIS CHAIR OF TO, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECEIVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. UH, LIDDEL TOY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WILL TAKE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MEETINGS. MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, AND, UH, [ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IS TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION OF THE 2020 NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS TO THE FULL BOARD. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, YOU GUYS. UM, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE VALERIE GLEASON, CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR, UH, HERE IN THE FLESH TODAY. SO SHE'LL BE, UM, GOING THROUGH THE DETAILS. UM, OR ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CHANGES? I DID, YOU'LL SEE THAT I DID LEAVE THOSE THAT WE TABLED, UM, THERE AND I JUST HID THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER ROWS THAT WE WON'T, UM, NEED TO DISCUSS THOSE ROWS THAT ARE APPROVED. UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED TO TABLE, UM, OR CONTINUE TO TABLE UNTIL WE CAN HAVE C P SS PRESENT. WE'VE STARTED THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, UM, AND HOPE TO HAVE THEM HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, SO THAT FIRST ONE, NUM NUMBER SIX, I THINK WE SHOULD STILL TABLE THAT ONE UNTIL THEY CAN BE PRESENT. UM, NUMBER 10, WE REVISITED THIS AND WE FELT THAT WE, THERE'S NO PROBLEM KEEPING THIS AMENDMENT AS FAR AS THE COLOR CODING. UH, IN REGARDS TO THE HOUSE BILL. UH, WE DON'T THINK IT HAS AN IMPACT AS WE'RE JUST, UM, REFERENCING THE, THE COLOR CODING OF THOSE SIZES. UM, SO YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT, UM, TO 200? ARTICLE 200.6 A AND B I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD WITH NUMBER 10. UM, NUMBER 12, THAT'S THE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO TABLE THAT ONE. SO WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS. UH, HOPEFULLY C P S WILL BE PRESENT. NUMBER 13, THIS IS OUR CURRENT CSA AMENDMENT. WE FELT THAT THIS ONE COULD ALSO REMAIN AS IT DIDN'T, DID NOT CONFLICT WITH THE, THE HOUSE BILL, UM, REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO, UH, TWO, 10.5 AND TWO 15 POINT 12. WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT ONE. WE'RE GOOD. LOOK AT US MOVING RIGHT ALONG. UM, SO ITEM 39, THIS WAS THE WIRING METHODS. UH, WE DO FEEL THAT WE'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT AT IT AS IT WOULD CONFLICT WITH, WITH, WITH THE HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE OR HOUSE BILL REQUIREMENTS. SO EVERYONE, ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT AMENDMENT WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR TWO 30 POINT 43? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD, UNFORTUNATELY, YES. . OKAY. UM, THE NEXT ITEM 42, WE HAD US TO REVISIT THIS ONE. OH, DID WE GET VALERIE? DID WE GET, UH, INFORMATION ON THE COST IMPACT? UM, ONE OF MY, UH, SENIOR INSPECTORS DID DO SOME RESEARCH. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. [00:10:01] PUSH, THERE YOU GO. ONE OF MY SENIOR INSPECTORS DID DO SOME RESEARCH ON IT. HE FOUND AN AVERAGE ABOUT $54 FOR SOME OF THESE. UM, I ALSO DID, WAS PROVIDED WITH SOME INFORMATION ON THE HISTORY OF THE ADOPTION BY THE CODE MAKING PANEL. UM, I DUNNO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT, BUT BASICALLY THEIR C M P COMMENT WHEN APPROVING THE CODE, DESPITE LACK OF COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, WAS INCREASED COST THAT SOMETIMES ASSOCIATED WITH SAFER INSTALLATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE SUBSTANTIATION TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT. OKAY. SO WE PROPOSED TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. I KNOW WE WANTED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. SO SPECIFICALLY THE COST IMPLICATIONS YOU GUYS AGREE TO ADOPT, UH, LIDDELL TOY. SO BASICALLY, VALERIE, YOU SAID IT WAS LIKE 50 BUCKS 50 FOR TO ADD A SURGE PROTECTOR? YES, SIR. THAT WAS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE ONE THAT HE FOUND. UM, I HAVE SEEN THEM ALREADY INSTALLED ON NEW HOUSES. UM, I HAD ASKED HIM TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND WE HADN'T HAD ANY TALK ABOUT IT THIS MORNING. I WASN'T ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH HIM. SO WHAT WOULD BE, AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THEN, HOW WOULD THAT WORK AS FAR AS COST? 'CAUSE I KNOW MARK WOULD PROBABLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ON HIS END. YEAH, MOST OF YOUR, MOST OF YOUR COMMERCIAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA INCLUDE SOME SORT OF TYPE OF SURGE PROTECTION ALREADY. UM, AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A HIGH RISE BUILDING THAT'S GOT LIGHTNING PROTECTION ON IT, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE SEARCH PROTECTION TO, TO EITHER GET A MASTER LABEL OR THE, UH, RECORD OF FINDING FROM UL. IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THE SECTION REFERS ONLY TO DWELLING UNITS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THIS IS AMIN THOMAS. JUST TO CLARIFY. SO THIS SECTION TALKS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS ONLY, AND YOU ARE, I MEAN, IF YOU ADOPT THIS SECTION, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A SURGE PROTECTOR ONE PER PANEL AND NORMALLY YOU HAVE ONLY ONE PANEL AT THE HOUSE. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT $50 AMIN MEAN IT DOES JUST SAY DWELLING UNITS, SO THAT WOULD ALSO BE MULTIFAMILY. IT DOES, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT'S ALL SERVICES SUPPLYING DWELLING UNITS. . OKAY. SORRY FOR THAT. YES, IT IS DWELLING UNITS. UH, I GUESS WE CAN, IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, WE CAN TABLE THIS TILL NEXT MEETING. UH, THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES, MARK AND MIKE WILL BE HERE NEXT, NEXT MEETING AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL TABLE TO GIVE A MULTI MULTIFAMILY AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. OKAY. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO TABLE ITEM 42, THE NEXT ITEM 43. UM, AND WE CAN, UH, LOOP IN 44 THERE. UH, CURRENT COSA AMENDMENTS TO ARTICLE TWO, 30.2, UM, AND TWO 30 POINT 30. WE PROPOSE TO KEEP THOSE AMENDMENTS AND FEEL THAT THEY DON'T COM. I'M SORRY, WE'RE PROPOSE TO REMOVE, LET ME BACK UP. NUMBER 43, UH, CO CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TWO 30.2. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. WE DON'T FEEL IT CONFLICTS WITH THE HOUSE BILL. YOU GUYS CONCUR WITH THAT. THAT'S FOR THE SERVICE ENTRANCE CONDUCTOR SHALL BE COLOR CODED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE TWO, 10.5. JUST REFERENCES THE REVISED, UM, AMENDED SECTION. YEAH, WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD WITH 43 K. NUMBER 44. UM, CURRENT [00:15:01] COSA AMENDMENT TWO 30 POINT 30, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, UM, AMENDMENTS TO THIS SECTION, UH, AS THEY'RE IN CONFLICT WITH THE HOUSE BILL. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE, UH, APPROVAL FOR REMOVING THAT AMENDMENT. UM, ITEM 45 AND 46, UH, WE PROPOSE TO TABLE THESE TWO ITEMS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, RESULT IN AMENDMENTS TO TWO 30 POINT 82, NUMBER FIVE AND SIX. DO YOU GUYS WANNA HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT NOW OR SHOULD WE WAIT? UM, TILL WE HAVE C P SS INPUT ON THOSE? UNLESS, UNLESS THERE'S, UH, REASON TO HAVE COMMENT ON IT. NOW. I SAY WE WAIT FOR C P S. YEAH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. NUMBER 47, THE 2020, UM, UPDATED ARTICLE TWO 40.6 C REVISIONS TO RESTRICTED ACCESS WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YEAH, THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE APPEARS TO BE MOSTLY, UH, A NARRATIVE CHANGE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING WITH 47 48. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A NEW AMENDMENT. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CODE INTERPRETATION WHERE WE'VE SPECIFIED THAT STORAGE ISN'T PERMITTED IN ELECTRICAL OR MECHANICAL ROOMS. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THIS SECTION AND WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT MARK ROSS'S, UM, COMMENTS REGARDING THE PANEL IN THE ELECTRIC, IN THE, UM, CLOSET. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THIS SECTION TO SAY NEWLY INSTALLED OVER CURRENT DEVICES SHALL NOT BE LOCATED IN THE VICINITY OF EASILY IGNITABLE MATERIAL SUCH AS ENCLOSED CLOSETS. AND THEN ADD, EXCUSE ME, ADD STORAGE ROOMS, JANITOR ROOMS, AND SIMILAR. SO WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD, UM, WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THOSE, THOSE PANELS THAT ARE BEING UPDATED. UH, SO WE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPLETELY MOVE THEM. RIGHT? WHICH WAS, WHICH WAS WHAT MARK WAS TALKING ABOUT AT OUR LAST MEETING. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ANY CONCERNS? GOOD. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. ITEM 48, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT. SO NUMBER 49, ARTICLE TWO 40 POINT 87. THIS IS, UM, A REVISION FOR THE ARC ENERGY REDUCTION. YEAH, SO THE REVISION UNDER A REFERS TO DOCUMENTATION THEN UNDER B OR IT LOOKS LIKE A SUBSTAN SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE CHANGE THERE. SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA POINT OUT IN THIS, IN THIS REGARD, ESPECIALLY ON B FIVE, TEMPORARY ADJUSTMENT OF INSTANTANEOUS TRIP SETTINGS TO ACHIEVE IN ARC ENERGY REDUCTION SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED. UM, THERE'S SWITCHGEAR OUT THERE [00:20:01] NOW THAT HAS MA THE MAINTENANCE SETTINGS TO WHERE YOU CAN GO INTO A MAINTENANCE SETTING AND IT'S NOT JUST THE INSTANTANEOUS TRIP SETTING THERE, THERE'S ADDITIONAL TR SETTINGS THAT GO INTO PLACE THAT REDUCE, REDUCES THE, UH, ENERGY LEVELS TO ACCEPTABLE SO THAT EQUIPMENT CAN BE APPROACHED, TESTED, AND WORKED UPON. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS TALKING ABOUT. SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THAT. OKAY. FOR ITEM 49, ARE WE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? GOOD. UH, 2 40 88. THIS IS A NEW SECTION AND WE'VE SEEN THIS THROUGHOUT THE CODE, NEW SECTIONS FOR CONDITIONED EQUIPMENT, SO WE'LL BE SEEING THAT A LOT. THIS ONE'S SPECIFICALLY FOR CIRCUIT BREAKERS AND COMPONENTS. YEAH, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, WHERE YOU'VE GOT RECONDITIONED EQUIPMENT IN RELATION TO LIFE SAFETY WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT IT IS ALLOWED FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS. BUT YOU'LL NOTICE IN ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS HERE IS THE ANY INITIAL OR ORIGINAL LISTING LABELING HAS TO BE REMOVED AND NEW LABELS APPLIED. WE REME, UH, WE RECOMMEND TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. FOUR 50 ITEM 51. ARTICLE TWO 50 POINT 25. THIS IS A NEW SECTION TO COVER THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GROUNDING AND BONDING OF SUPPLY SIDE DISCONNECTS. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH, I THINK WE'RE ITEM 51 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. NUMBER 52. ARTICLE TWO 50 POINT 30. THIS WAS A CHANGE WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD FOR ITEM 52 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SO 2 50 30. SO ITEMS NUMBER 53 54, UM, FOR THE EXCEPTIONS, A ONE B AND THE EXCEPTION TO A SIX. VALERIE, DO YOU WANNA SUMMARIZE THOSE? HE SUCH THE SECOND CRYSTAL AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY. IT WAS, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE GONE THROUGH SOME THESE. YEAH, THE, THE, IT'S JUST THE SAME. THE PRIMARY SCOPE OF THE IT REVISION DEALS WITH THE, THE PLACEMENT RIGHT. OF THE, UH, BOND JUMPER AND PUTS IT AT THE PARALLELING GEAR INSTEAD OF AT THE DISCONNECT. RIGHT. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT WAS A MAJOR CHANGE, SO, OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH ITEM 53 AND 54? OKAY. ITEM 55 IS CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE TWO 50 POINT 52. SO THIS AMENDMENT, UM, ADDS THE INFORMATIONAL NOTE TO MERE C P SS REQUIREMENTS. THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF THE GROUND ROD. YEAH, WELL THAT INFORMATIONAL NOTE'S BEEN IN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, SO THAT'S YEAH, IT [00:25:01] IS, IT HELPS PROVIDE CLARITY. OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD ON NUMBER 55 TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT? OKAY. NUMBER 56. THIS IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 2 50 53 C. OKAY. EVERYONE'S GOOD WITH ITEM 56 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YES. ITEM 57, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN THAT CHANGE TO TWO 50 POINT 64 E THREE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD? OKAY. WE'RE GOOD WITH ITEM 57 TO ADOPT HIS WRITTEN ITEM 58. ARTICLE 2 50 68 C THREE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD WITH 58 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER 59. UH, CHANGE TO ARTICLE TWO 50 POINT 98 REVISION TO ADD EXPANSION DEFLECTION AND DEFLECTION FITTINGS TO THE LIST OF FITTINGS. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. UH, NEXT NUMBER 60, CHANGE TO ARTICLE TWO 50.104 A ONE FOUR THAT'S REVISION TO PRESCRIBE A MAXIMUM SIZE CONDUCTOR. EVERYBODY GO TO THE ITEM 60 ADOPT AS WRITTEN. I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD. WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG SO WE'RE STILL IN GROUNDING AND BONDING. UM, ITEM 61 IS A NEW SECTION TO TWO 50.109 FOR METAL ENCLOSURES. YEAH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH COMMON PRACTICE FOR A LONG TIME. IT JUST ACTUALLY NOW HAS VERBIAGE IN THE CODE. OKAY, ITEM 61, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER 62. THAT'S OUR CURRENT CSA AMENDMENT TO 2 50 18. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. THIS IS OF COURSE THE REQUIREMENT FOR HARDWIRED EQUIPMENT GROUNDING CONDUCTOR IN ALL FEEDERS AND BRANCH CIRCUITS AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS ONE. YEAH, AND THIS ONE IT'S HAS BEEN AROUND QUITE A WHILE AS WELL. OKAY. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH 62 TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN? UM, ITEM 63. UH, NEXT CSA AMENDMENT 2 50 19. OH WAIT, 2 51, 9. YEAH. VALERIE, WE ARE, UH, RECOMMENDING TO KEEP THIS ONE RIGHT? YES MA'AM. OKAY. YES MA'AM. [00:30:03] YEAH. AND SO THIS ONE'S GOT SOME SIZE REQUIREMENTS IN IT TOO, AND WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT WE'RE OKAY TO MAKE THOSE REVISIONS. YES. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST THE IDENTIFICATION, RIGHT? OKAY. SO FOR ITEM 63, WE WILL KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. NEXT. ITEM 64, THAT'S A NEW SECTION IN 2 51, 22 B. AND THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE, UM, THE NEXT 1, 1 22 C A CHANGE THERE AS WELL TO ADD TRENCH TO THE LIST OF LOCATIONS. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH BOTH OF THOSE CHANGES TO 1 22 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. SO 64 AND 65 WE'RE GOOD. ITEM 66, THE TABLE TWO, 50.1 22 WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THOSE ARE CHANGES, UM, REVISIONS TO THE SIZE FOR ALUMINUM AND COPPER CLOUD ALUMINUM FOR OVER CURRENT DEVICES. WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO. OKAY, SO ITEM 66, WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. ITEM 67, UM, CHANGES TO TWO 50.1 84 AND THE EXCEPTION TO A ONE. AND WE ALSO HAVE IN THAT SAME SECTION, UH, THE EXCEPTION TO ITEM C AS WELL. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YEAH, I THINK THE ONE THING, IMPORTANT THING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THIS IS FOR SYSTEMS ABOVE A THOUSAND VOLTS. OKAY, SO 67 AND 68 WERE GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN. UH, NUMBER 69, THIS IS ACTUALLY A DELETION TO ARTICLE TWO 80 AND 2 85. THOSE WERE MOVED AND YOU'LL SEE IN, UH, LINE ITEM 70, THOSE WERE MOVED TO ARTICLE 2 42. SO I'LL HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT REALLY THOSE WERE RELOCATED, UM, TO THIS SECTION THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE RIGHT AFTER ARTICLE TWO 40 FOR OVER CURRENT PROTECTION. SO WE DIDN'T SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, UM, IN THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. UM, AND WE PROPOSE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST FOLLOW AS WRITTEN. YEAH, SO THIS IS TAKING EVERYTHING AND MAKING A, A NEW ARTICLE FOR SEARCH PROTECTION. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOOD WITH 69 AND 70 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NEXT ITEM NUMBER 71 IS A NEW SECTION 300 4G. SO ADDED LANGUAGE REQUIRING PROTECTION OF CONDUCTORS NUMBER FOUR AND LARGER ACT CONNECTORS. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT THEY'RE ADDING METHODS OF PROTECTION. I THINK THE PROTECTION REQUIREMENT WAS ALREADY IN THERE, SO, [00:35:01] OKAY, EVERYONE GOOD WITH 71 ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, ITEM 72, IT'S OUR CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO 300.5 D THREE CURRENTLY, UH, IN THE 2018 AMENDMENTS, WE HAVE TO DELETE THAT SECTION. UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE AMENDMENT, SO PUT THAT SECTION BACK IN, UM, AS WRITTEN. UM, BECAUSE THE CODE NOW REQUIRES TO HAVE A WARNING RIBBON IN THE TRENCH FOR UNDERGROUND SERVICE CONDUCTORS. SO THE CODE IS CAUGHT, CAUGHT UP AND WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT HAS TO BE CONCRETE IN CASE. AND I, AS THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD TO REMOVE WOULD ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT TO CONCRETE IN CASE. SO WE DO WANT THE RIBBON WARNING RIBBON IN THERE, IN THE TRENCH. OKAY, SO 72 YOU GUYS AGREED TO REMOVE THE AMENDMENT AND FOLLOW THE CODE LANGUAGE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 73. THESE ARE, UH, A NEW SECTION AND TABLE OR A NEW SECTION THREE 10 POINT 16 AND A TABLE TO FOLLOW. IS THIS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS YOU'VE BEEN AROUND DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH? IT'S OLD AND NEW, IT'S ALL AT THE SAME TIME. I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THE 3 10, 15 B 16 AND NOW IT'S 3 10 16. YES, SIR. AND YOU'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE NEW SECTIONS FOR THREE TEN EIGHT, SEVENTEEN, EIGHTEEN, NINETEEN, TWENTY, TWENTY ONE. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE TABLES? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THOSE? YEP. OKAY. WE'LL SAY 73 AND 74. ADOPT AS WRITTEN ITEM 75 A NEW ARTICLE THREE 11. THIS ARTICLE COVERS INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS AND CAPACITY FOR CONDUCTORS AND CABLES. RATED 2001 TO 35,000 VOLTS, THAT MEDIUM VOLTAGE, MEDIUM VOLTAGE, YES. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? OKAY, ITEM 75, WE WILL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. 76. THAT'S A NEW SECTION THREE, 12.8 B. OKAY, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH ITEM 76? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. ITEM 77, IT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE THREE, 14 POINT 16 B FIVE AND IT'S PRIMARILY A CALCULATION ON BOXVILLE FOR CROWNING CONDUCTORS. YEAH. OKAY GUYS. GOOD TO ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN. OKAY, ITEM 78, WE PROPOSE TO ADOPT THIS CHANGE AS WRITTEN TO THREE [00:40:01] 14 POINT 17 CHANGES TO A AND B ONE, NEW SECTIONS TWO AND THREE AND FOUR ARE NEW ITEMS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS YOU GUYS WITH? GOOD WITH 78? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT, NUMBER 79. A CHANGE TO THREE 14 POINT 23 H TWO. SO THIS REVISION REQUIRES LISTED SWIVEL HANGERS FOR STEMS LONGER THAN 18 INCHES. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? 1 79 DOT THAT AS WRITTEN. NUMBER 80, CHANGE TO ARTICLE THREE, 14 POINT 25 FOR COVERS AND CANOPIES. THANK YOU. ARE YOU GUYS WITH EIGHT? UH, GOOD WITH 80 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YES. ALRIGHT. 81 CHANGE TO 3 14 27 C. SO THIS REVISION TO REQUIRE BOXES MOUNTED IN CEILINGS OF HABITABLE ROOMS AND DWELLINGS TO BE PROVIDED WITH A BOX SOLICIT FOR CEILING BAND SUPPORT OR A BOX SUPPORTED INDEPENDENTLY. ITEM 81. WE'RE GOOD. ADOPT IS WRITTEN. YEP, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. 82. THERE'S A CHANGE TO 3 14 28 E ONE E. SO THIS WAS A DELETION DELETED THE REQUIREMENT SUITABLE FOR USE ON THE LINE SIDE OF THE SERVICE EQUIPMENT. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH 82 ADOPT AS WRITTEN? THAT DELETION? DELETION, YEAH, IT WAS A DELETION THERE. JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT CHANGE. OKAY, THE NEXT FEW ITEMS ARE CURRENT COSA ITEM 83, AMENDMENT TO THREE 14 POINT 19. SO WE ADD THE SPECIFIED, UH, WE SPECIFY THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR FLUSH BOX. THERE NO OTHER CHANGES TO THAT SECTION. OH, AND WE HAVE UPDATED THE CHAPTER 10 WITH THE NEW 2020 LANGUAGE. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD TO KEEP AMENDMENT ON ITEM 83? YEAH, THE, THE ONE THING WE MIGHT WANNA DO ON THAT ONE IS THE AMENDMENT READS BOXES FOR FLUSH DEVICES SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM VOLUME OF, UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT ONE TO BOXES FOR FLUSH DEVICES OR EQUIPMENT. I AGREE TO FOLLOW THE NEW UPDATED LANGUAGE. YEAH, OR EQUIPMENT MM-HMM. AND MAKE SURE, YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S INSERT THE NEW LANGUAGE INTO THE STANDARD, BUT THEN ALSO INSERT IT INTO THE, THE CHANGE. OKAY. UM, WE WILL ADD, UH, SO WE'LL [00:45:01] MODIFY THAT AMENDMENT. UM, THE NEXT ITEM 84 IS CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE THREE 20. WE FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO REMOVE THESE, THIS AMENDMENT DUE TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HOUSE BILL TO NOT ELIMINATE THOSE USES. THREE RESPONDENT. UM, THE SAME WITH, WELL LET YOU GUYS AGREE, UM, ON ITEM 84, THAT THAT RE AMENDMENT WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING. UNFORTUNATELY, YES. YEAH. FOR THE RECORD, IS IT, YOU JUST WANTED TO GO ON RECORD SAYING, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T MIND GOING ON THE RECORD SAYING UNFORTUNATELY YES. , THE NEXT ITEM IS CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT 3 26 POINT 10. UH, WE ALSO FEEL THIS AMENDMENT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, UM, DUE TO THAT HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE, CORRECT. OKAY. ITEM 86, AMENDMENT TO THREE 30.6. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT THAT SPECIFIES THAT ALL FITTING SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH AN ANTI SHORTENING BUSHING, ANTI SHORTING. WE WOULD BASICALLY BE REMOVING THE REST OF THE SECTION TO COMPLY WITH THE BILL, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE ANTI SHORTT WISHINGS KIND OF IMPORTANT. SO YOU GUYS AGREE WITH 86 TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY, NEXT ITEM 87, CURRENT COASTAL AMENDMENT THREE 30 POINT 10. WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE AND ALSO THE AMENDMENT TO THREE 30.104. YOU GUYS AGREE THAT THOSE AMENDMENTS NEED TO BE REMOVED? YES. OKAY. NEXT TWO ITEMS. 89 AND 90 AMENDMENTS TO THREE 30.1 12 AND ONE 16. WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THOSE AMENDMENTS. ONE 12 SPECIFIES THE COLOR CODING. UM, AND ONE 16 IS THE, UM, APPROVED ROTARY CUTTING TOOL TO BE USED OR CUTTING METHOD. OKAY, I BELIEVE IN, IN THREE 30 POINT 16. WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME OTHER LANGUAGE THAT WE HAD STRICKEN ORIGINALLY. DOES THAT NEED TO COME OUT BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL? RIGHT? THE CORRECT, THE, THE AREAS THAT WERE STRUCK OUT, WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THOSE. UM, AND JUST IF WE COULD CONTINUE TO SPECIFY THE, THE LOCK, THE, UH, CUTTING TOOL. OKAY, WE'LL MODIFY THE AMENDMENT TO THREE 30.1 16 TO, TO PUT BACK IN THAT LANGUAGE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY STRUCK, BUT THEN WE'LL ALSO KEEP THE ADDED LANGUAGE FOR THAT AMENDMENT. YOU GUYS AGREE THAT WORD FOR A 90? OKAY. OKAY, NEXT ITEM NUM NUMBER 91 IS A NEW SECTION, THREE 30.1 30 NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR CABLE AND HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH ITEM NUMBER 1 91 ADOPT AS WRITTEN? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD MOVING RIGHT ALONG. [00:50:02] UH, NUMBER 92. SO A DELETION IN ARTICLE 3 34. SO THROUGHOUT THE ARTICLE, THE TYPE N M S IS DELETED. , IT'S INTERESTING THAT THIS PART IS ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS, ONE OF THOSE ARTICLES WHERE IT HAS A DEFINITION THAT DOESN'T MOVE OVER TO ARTICLE 100 THEY PUT, BUT IT REPLIES THROUGHOUT OUT. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 92 WILL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ONE, ITEM 93, THAT'S OUR, UH, CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO 3 34 POINT 10 FOR USES PERMITTED. WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE. I DON'T THINK THEY REALIZE THOSE SWEEPING IMPLICATIONS. FOR SOME OF THESE. WE'LL BLAME IT ON MARK MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WE RETAIN, UH, HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE I COULD SEE THIS COMING BACK AROUND. THAT WAS KIND OF MY FEELING AND THERE WAS A POINT I HAD BROUGHT UP TO CRYSTAL IN TRYING TO RESEARCH THE HOUSE BILL. I DID FIND AT LEAST ONE MUNICIPALITY THAT WAS KEEPING ALL OF THEIR VERBIAGE IN THEIR AMENDMENTS. UM, BUT WITH THE, UH, THE CAVEAT THAT THEY COULDN'T ENFORCE IT UNTIL THE HOUSE BILL WAS CHANGED. SO , I I, IT'S KIND OF VAGUE. I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO THE SAME THING THOUGH. DOES, DOES LEGAL HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? ? WE CAN CLEAN, CLEAN UP THE DOCUMENT NOW, BUT JUST LIKE I SAY, RETAIN THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE SO IF, IF AND WHEN IT CHANGES, WE CAN PUT IT BACK. I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. I'M SORRY CRYSTAL. NO, NO, NO. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AND JOS JOSEPH HAD SHARED, UM, THAT WE COULD HAVE A UM, MAYBE LIKE AN INFORMATIONAL BULLETIN THAT COULD, UH, COULD PROVIDE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. LIKE WE DON'T RECOMMEND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS CABLE TYPE AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT AN ELECTRICAL PERSON GUYS, SO APOLOGIZE. I'M JUST FAKE IT TILL YOU MAKE IT RIGHT. UM, BUT WE COULD HAVE A BEST PRACTICES KIND OF, UM, INFORMATIONAL BULLETIN THAT WE COULD PUT OUT. LIKE THIS IS WHAT THE CITY RECOMMENDS YOU USE OR DON'T USE. UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE ACTUAL ADOPTED CODE. WOULD YOU GUYS RECOMMEND THAT WE, THAT WE PURSUE THAT? I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY PURSUE NOT AN INFORMATIONAL BULLETIN. OKAY, WE'LL HAVE THAT READY FOR WHEN THESE GO INTO IT. WHEN THE CODE GOES INTO EFFECT, WE'LL HAVE AT LEAST AS SOMETHING THAT SAYS BEST PRACTICES AND MAYBE THAT CAN BE OUR HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE. WE'LL FALL BACK ON WHEN THEY CHANGED THE HOUSE BILL. OKAY, SO THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 93. WE'LL REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. ITEM NUMBER 94 WAS A CHANGE. ARTICLE 3 34 POINT 30 WE WERE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YOU GUYS WITH GOOD WITH THAT ONE, ONE NUMBER 94 ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NUMBER 95 A CHANGE TO 3 34 0.104. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, ITEM 96, CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 36 POINT TEN SEVEN EIGHT NINE. [00:55:09] WAS THAT A A MINOR CHANGE VALERIE, YOU THINK FOR THAT ONE? I THINK SOME OF THEM OR MOST OF IT WAS MAYBE THE HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS, BUT UH, THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE ONLY ITEM. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH 96? ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, NUMBER 97, THAT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 36 0.104. OKAY, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH NUMBER 97? ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER 90 EIGHT'S A NEW ARTICLE. 3 37 FOR TYPE P CABLE. SO IT COVERS CABLE TYPES AND HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOOD WITH NUMBER 98. NUMBER 99 IS A CURRENT COASTED AMENDMENT TO 3 38 POINT 10. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE FOR USES PERMITTED. YOU GUYS AGREE WE NEED TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY, AGREED. ITEM 100 IS A CHANGE TO SECTION 3 38 POINT 10 B FOUR. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YEAH, I DON'T, I THINK WITH THE HOUSE BILL, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE GOT A CHOICE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM 100. THIS IS A NEW SECTION 3 38 POINT 100 A. WE PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. SO THIS, THIS SECTION ALLOWS MULTIPLE SINGLE CONDUCTOR CABLES FOR DIRECT BURIAL. SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THIS SECTION. ACTUALLY CRYSTAL, THIS WILL BE ANOTHER ONE THAT WE CAN'T DO BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE BILL, SO I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT ONE. SO WE ARE ADOPT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. MM-HMM. ? NO, NO, I'M GOOD. SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT LISTED AS PROPOSED AMENDMENT. SO WE'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS NOT APPROVED TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. WE DON'T HAVE TO BE SO FORMAL, BUT JUST TO FOLLOW WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SHOWN AS RECOMMENDED. SO ITEM 1 0 2 IS A NEW SECTION 3 38, 100 B WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT, ITEM 103, THIS IS A NEW SECTION. 3 42 10 E. [01:00:02] OH, ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YES. OKAY. NEXT TO ITEM, THIS IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 42 POINT 14 REVISION OF CLARIFY PERMITTED FITTINGS AND ENCLOSURES FOR USE WITH GALVANIZED OR STAINLESS STEEL I M C. I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD. YOU GUYS WERE WORRIED WE WEREN'T GONNA GET THROUGH THESE TODAY. WE MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD ENOUGH. WE HAVE MORE . OKAY, NEXT ITEM. THESE GUYS ARE JUST GOING SO SMOOTH. UM, FOR ITEM 105, THAT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 44, 10 A ONE. CURIOUS, YOU EVER SEEN RED BRASS? I NEVER HAVE. NO. NEITHER HAVE I. MM-HMM. MUST BE SOMETHING NEW. POSSIBLY. IS IT A NEW PRODUCT OR, OH, OH, IT'S BEEN AN AWFUL LONG TIME SINCE I WORKED OUT THERE TOO, SO NOT THAT LONG. . OKAY, THAT WAS ITEM 1 0 5. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR RED BRASS NEW OR OLD. UH, ITEM 1 0 6, THAT IS A NEW SECTION 3 44 POINT 10 E. PERMITTING THE R M C TO BE INSTALLED WE'RE SUBJECT TO SEVERE PHYSICAL DAMAGE. WE SAW THAT PREVIOUSLY. IT'S A, A PATTERN THAT'S SAY IF WE ALLOW R M C TO BE IN SEVERE PHYSICAL DAMAGE, RIGID SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AS WELL. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL DO 1 0 6, ADOPT AS WRITTEN 1 0 7. THAT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 44 14. I'M GOOD. OKAY, THAT WAS 1 0 7. ADOPT AS WRITTEN 1 0 8 WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEW SECTION THREE FIFTY TEN FOUR. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE THREE 50 POINT 30 A. YOU GUYS AGREE ON ITEM 1 0 9? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YOU GUYS ARE MOVING ON FASTER THAN I AM. I THOUGHT I'M GOING TOO FAST. NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 3 56 POINT TEN EIGHT NEW LIST ITEM. SO IS IT TEN EIGHT OR 10? ONE THROUGH EIGHT? PROBABLY ONE THROUGH EIGHT. WE TRIED TO REALLY LOOK AT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONE THROUGH EIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU ARE CORRECT. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE ONE THROUGH EIGHT. [01:05:01] YEAH, AGAIN, WITH THE HOUSE BILL. PRETTY WELL STUCK, RIGHT? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH ITEM ONE 10 TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NEXT ITEM. THIS IS A NEW SECTION 3 58 POINT 10 E. OH, I THINK I'M, I DIDN'T FINISH THAT SENTENCE. SPECIFIES E M T IS PERMITTED TO BE USED WHERE? SUBJECT TO PHYSICAL DAMAGE. YEAH, SO THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE HERE COMPARED BACK TO I M C AND G R C IS THIS IS JUST PHYSICAL DAMAGE, NOT SEVERE PHYSICAL DAMAGE. IS THAT DEFINED SEVERE PHYSICAL DAMAGE VERSUS JUST PHYSICAL DAMAGE? IS THAT ENFORCEABLE? WHOSE OPINION IS IT? UH, IF IT'S SEVERE OR NOT? . VALERIE, WHAT SAY YOU IT IS. I DON'T, OH, THAT WAS JUST A SIDE NOTE. OKAY, SO THAT WAS ITEM ONE 11. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR NON-SEVERE, BUT STILL PHYSICAL DAMAGE ITEM. UH, ONE 12 A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 58 POINT 14 REVISION TO CLARIFY PERMITTED FITTINGS AND ENCLOSURES FOR USE WITH GALVANIZED OR STAINLESS STEEL E M T. WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT COSTA AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 360 2 POINT 20 B, AND WE FELT THAT WE NEEDED TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL LANGUAGE. YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT? NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 36. 360 6 23 B. WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YES. ALL RIGHT, NEXT ITEM IS THE NEW SECTION THREE 80 POINT 12. I THINK IT'S JUST ITEM SEVEN ONLY. THAT'S THE MODIFICATION THAT PROHIBITS THE CORD AND PLUG CONNECTED. YES. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD AS WRITTEN? ITEM 16. THIS IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE THREE. 92 POINT 10. WE ARE GOOD. ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NEXT ITEM CHANGE TO 3 92 POINT 30 B. A COUPLE CHANGES IN THERE. [01:10:06] ARE WE GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YES. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 117 A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 92 POINT 30 B. I JUST DID THAT ONE. 3 92 POINT 44. IT'S A NEW SECTION. WE ARE GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN. EXCELLENT. NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO 3 92 POINT 46 AND 46 A AND B. OKAY, YOU GUYS GOOD TO ADOPT THOSE AS WRITTEN? THE CHANGES TO 3 92 DO 46. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WE'RE ON ITEM 1 1 23. THAT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 3 92 14 A 3 93, 2. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, ITEM 1 24. UM, THIS IS UH, CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 3 94. 3 94. UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. . SEE A LOT OF, NO, NOT A WHOLE LOT OBVIOUSLY GO OUT AND REPAIR IT. THERE'S NO CUTOFF AT ALL TO, I KNOW. OKAY, THAT WAS 1 24. WE WILL MOVE TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO TABLE 400.4 REVISION AT A NEW OUTDOOR TYPE THERMOS SETT JACKETED HEATER CORD TABLE. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD? ADOPT AS WRITTEN? DID YOU FIND THE CHANGE? ? OKAY, NEXT ITEM. CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT 400 POINT 10. WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT THAT I, THIS IS SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK AND CHANGED. I DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN, YOU DON'T, WE CAN'T KEEP THIS ONE. NO, IT'S, IT'S SPECIFYING THE CABLE, UH, TO BE ALLOWED TO BE USED IF IT'S PART OF A LISTED FIXTURE. SO I'M NOT SO SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE KEPT, BUT WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THE USE OF IT. NO, WE'RE JUST SPECIFYING IT HAS TO MEET THESE STANDARDS. I MEAN I'M ALL FOR KEEPING IT. IF WE CAN, ANYWHERE THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE CORDS WOULD BE GREAT. SO JOSEPH, WHAT DO YOU THINK ON THAT ONE? WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING. YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO MEET A, A STRICTER STANDARD THOUGH, RIGHT? EXACTLY, EXACTLY. IT HAS TO BE LISTED, IT HAS TO BE PART OF THE LISTED ASSEMBLY WHEN THE BASE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE IT TO BE PART OF [01:15:01] A LISTED ASSEMBLY. THERE IS THE, I MEAN YOU'RE ALLOWING THE PRODUCT. UM, THERE'S A SECOND PORTION OF THAT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT APPLYING A MORE STRINGENT METHOD AND THAT IT MAY FALL INTO THAT. LET, LET ME CHECK THE LANGUAGE REAL QUICK. OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW, LET'S PROPOSE TO KEEP IT, I WOULD LIKE TO IF WE CAN YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT UNTIL WE HEAR OTHERWISE FROM LEGAL? SO WE'LL JUST PROPOSE TO KEEP IT AS WRITTEN. I KNOW WE HAVE HERE ADD EQUIPMENT, SO BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA KEEP UNLESS LEGAL DE DEEMS IT NECESSARY TO REMOVE IT. AGREED. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO 400 POINT 12 REVISION TO ADD FLEXIBLE CORDS, CABLES AND POWER SUPPLY CORDS RELOCATED TO THE INFORMATIONAL NOTE. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? CHANGE AS WRITTEN? OKAY, ITEM 1 28, CHANGE TO TABLE FOUR. OH, 2.3. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS A CHANGE OF 4 0 4 0.7. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR ITEM 1 29. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD AS ADOPT IS WRITTEN. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE, WE MIGHT GET A BREAK. I HAVE, UM, WE ON THAT BREAK I CAN PRINT UP SOME, UH, MORE CHANGES. , IF YOU GUYS WANNA KEEP GOING. IT'S TWO 30. WE MADE THROUGH ALL OF THOSE IN 90 MINUTES. Y'ALL CRYSTAL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE BAD NEWS RIGHT NOW. OH, THE BAD NEWS RIGHT NOW? YEAH, THE, THE WE, WE VALOR AND I SPOKE AND THE, THE SECOND PART OF THAT LOOKS LIKE IT OF, OF THE, UM, OF THE HOUSE BILL NOW LAW, UM, BASICALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T ESTABLISH A MORE STRINGENT METHODOLOGY METHODOLOGY IN THAT USE AND, AND THIS LOOKS LIKE WHAT THAT DOES. SO IT, IT, WELL, WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT EITHER. OKAY, SO I, FOR ITEM 1 26, OUR CSA AMENDMENT TO 400 POINT 10, WE WILL PROPOSE TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE A BIOLOGY BREAK AND CONTINUE. OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT AND I'LL GET SOME MORE, UH, UM, CHANGES PRINTED. OKAY, I THINK WE'RE, GO AHEAD. LALL, WHERE WERE WE GONNA IS GUN IT'S RIGHT BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN IT A RACEWAY MATERIAL. OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE NEXT CHUNK OF CHANGES TO PRESENT. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE ARE MISSING SOME, UM, YES OR NOS ON THE HEALTH LIFE SAFETY COLUMN. POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION COST INCREASE COLUMN. YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST DOING THAT TO, TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THIS COULD BE AN INCREASE OR IT IS LIFE SAFETY. [01:20:01] SO WE WOULD REALLY, LIFE SAFETY ITEMS WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO JUSTIFY IF WE WERE TO AMEND THAT OUT, RIGHT? WE WOULD REALLY WANNA LOOK AT SOME, LOOK AT THAT TWICE. UM, SO SOME OF THOSE COLUMNS AREN'T, UH, AREN'T FILLED IN YET, BUT WE CAN DO THAT AS WE GO OR, UM, WE CAN JUST UPDATE THAT, UM, LATER ON. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS HAS SOME MORE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AS WELL. SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BREAK IN THERE FROM THE MONOTONY OF GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE CHANGES. BUT WE'LL START WITH ITEM 30, SO CHANGES TO 4, 0, 4 0.9 AND 10. SO THOSE CHANGES REALLY JUST ADDED DIMMERS AND CONTROL SWITCHES. WHAT ELSE? VALERIE REQUIREMENT TO BOND THE GROUNDING BONDING EQUIPMENT. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE . YOU GUYS GOOD? ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. 4 0 4 14. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT CHANGE AS WRITTEN REVISION TO CLARIFY APPLICATION USE OF SWITCHES AND IT REQUIRES SWITCHES TO BE LISTED. I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE. OKAY, ITEM 1 32. A NEW SECTION 4 0 6 0.5 G TWO OH. WE SEE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES. THE REQUIREMENT TO, UM, THAT THE COVER, THE ORIENTATION OF THE FACE OF A RECEPTACLE. YEAH, THE FA FACE UP ISSUE WITH SOME DEBRIS AND STUFF DOESN'T GET DOWN IN IT UNLESS IT'S GOT A PROPER COVER ON IT. OKAY, YOU GUYS A GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN? SO THE NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO 4 0 6 0.9 C. I THINK KEEPING THE RECEPTACLES AWAY FROM THE BATHTUBS IS A GOOD IDEA. . ALRIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN. THAT WAS 1 33 ITEM 1 34. THIS IS A, UM, A CHANGE AND WE'RE PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT HERE. SO THIS IS A REVISION THAT EXPANDS THE LOCATIONS WHERE TAMPER RESISTANT RECEPTACLES ARE REQUIRED. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD TWO ITEMS TO THAT LIST. ADD PUBLIC AREAS OF ASSEMBLY, OCCUPANCIES WHERE CHILDREN MIGHT BE PRESENT AND ALL AREAS ACCESSIBLE TO PATIENTS. THE SECTION'S REFERRED TO A CERTAIN CLASSIFICATION OF ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCIES IN IN THE ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY ARTICLE. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AND IN PLAN REVIEW HAVE LOOKED AT AREAS THAT LIKE THE MCDONALD'S PLAY AREA AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH KIND OF ARE AN ASSEMBLY AREA, BUT EVEN JUST RESTAURANTS WHERE THEIR KIDS ARE AND THERE ARE PLUGS IN THOSE PUBLIC AREAS, THAT'S THE THE PART WE ARE ASKING FOR TO BE CONSIDERED TAMPER RESISTANT. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE N E C? OKAY. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AMENDMENT. SO THE NEXT ITEM IN NEW SECTION 4 0 6 13. VALERIE, YOU WANNA SUMMARIZE THOSE CHANGES? IT'S JUST A, A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR SEPAR CONNECTOR TYPES. UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY MAYBE INTERCHANGEABILITY, CONNECTING AND DISCONNECTING. IT'S ALL NEW. IS THIS A FAIRLY NEW PRODUCT, RON? OR IS IT JUST A WAY TO ADDRESS HOW THEY CAN BE USED? I'M NOT REALLY SURE. [01:25:01] IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A NEW PRODUCT IN A WAY. YEAH, THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT IT'S GOTTA BE LISTED. ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE GOT LISTED ARE GONNA COMPLY WITH THE LISTING OR EXACTLY. YEAH. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN OR, UM, YOU WANT A SECOND TO LOOK OVER THAT? BLESS YOU. YEAH, SO WHAT, THERE ARE OTHER CONNECTORS LIKE WHEN YOU CONNECT, UH, LOAD BANKS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, SO, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. ITEM 1 35, ITEM 1 36 WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION. SO THAT WAS A CHANGE TO 4 0 8 0.4 A SO THAT REVISION PERMIT, CIRCUIT DIRECTORY OR IDB ID TO BE LOCATED IN AN APPROVED LOCATION ADJACENT TO THE PANEL DOOR. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, VALERIE? MY CONCERN IS, UM, TAKE IT OFF. YEAH, IT, IT, IT DISAPPEARING. I MEAN IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET A LEGIBLE PANEL DIRECTORY INSIDE THE PANEL AS IT IS. SO YEAH. ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST, RON KAMAS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, FOR OWNERS IS A LOT OF TIMES THE PANEL DIRECTORIES ARE LIMITED ON THE AMOUNT OF SPACE AND SO THE DESCRIPTOR IS NOT VERY TELLING. YEAH. UM, AND SO WHAT THIS HAS DONE, SOME OF 'EM ARE GETTING EXCITED ABOUT THIS 'CAUSE THEN THIS ALLOWS THEM TO, TO CREATE A LARGER DIRECTORY THAT CAN BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE. UM, YEAH, KIND OF HAVE MIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF THERE'S NOT SOME WAY TO ENSURE IT STAYS PUT, BUT EVEN THE PANEL CARDS IN A POCKET WALK OFF, YOU KNOW, SO IF THIS THING IS ATTACHED TO SOME KIND OF A LEASH IF YOU WILL, THEN IT'S PROBABLY MORE APT TO STAY PUT THAN, THAN A TRADITIONAL PANEL CARD WOULD EVEN, UH, THOUGHTS. SO IT IS AN OPTION. SO YOU THINK WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE IT IN THERE AS AN OPTION? YEAH, EXACTLY. BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROVED LOCATION? WELL, IT SAYS ADJACENT TO THE PANEL DOOR. SO WOULD THE WALL BE AN APPROVED LOCATION? I THINK THAT THAT ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, I, ALL OF US AS ELECTRICIANS ARE PROBABLY PICTURING IT BEING PAINTED OVER [01:30:01] REMOVED. I AGREE THAT THAT CARD, THAT DIRECTORY CARD DOES DISAPPEAR. UM, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, SOME OF US HAVE ACTUALLY MARKED OURS AND THEN PUT SOMETHING BEHIND IT THAT'S MORE DESCRIPTIVE. BUT MY HOUSEHOLD HAS TWO MASTER ELECTRICIANS IN IT, SO YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY HOUSEHOLD HAS THAT. SO , MY WHOLE TAKE ON IT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THE INSPECTOR GONNA FIGURE THIS ONE OUT? UH, THE INSPECTOR WOULD, WOULD PROBABLY SEE IT UPON INSPECTION. IT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO IT AFTERWARDS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T MANDATE. UM, BUT JEREMY HAD A SUGGESTION ABOUT AN INCLUDING IT IN THE, IN THE, THE INFORMATION BULLETIN THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER MAYBE IS A CLARIFICATION. DO YOU GUYS UH, RECOMMEND TO PROPOSE AS WRITTEN? LEAVE IT AS WRITTEN. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH IT. JUST PUT IT IN THE IB AND JUST ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. OKAY. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 4 0 8 0.6 NEW REQUIREMENT FOR DOCUMENTATION AND AVAILABILITY OF SHORT CIRCUIT CALCULATIONS FOR OTHER THAN ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS AS WRITTEN, RIGHT? ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? OKAY, THAT WAS ITEM 1 37, ADOPT AS WRITTEN. ITEM 1 38 IS A NEW SECTION THAT'S THE 4 0 8 0.8 FOR RECONDITIONING OF EQUIPMENT. ONE THAT WILL, THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 4 4 0 8 18 C NEW REQUIREMENT FOR ACCESS FOR MAKING FIELD CONNECTIONS AND LOCATION WITH RESPECT TO UNINSULATED UNGROUNDED BUSTS. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, GOOD. NEXT ITEM. THE CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO 4 0 8 POINT 30 WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT AND PROPOSING TO REMOVE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THIS ONE, IT REQUIRES THE EX, UH, INTERIOR BRANCH CIRCUITS TO BE FED FROM AN INTERIOR PANEL. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS, UM, REWIRES EXCEPT FOR EXTREME HARDSHIPS. UM, IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO STAND ON THIS TO MAKE TO ASSURE THAT THE, THAT THE SAME SITUATIONS HAPPENING ON REWIRED OR FLIPPED HOUSES, IF YOU WILL. HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN UPGRADED. UM, THERE'S BEEN A FEW CON UH, INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S, IT'S AN EXTREME HARDSHIP, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO DO IT. BUT THAT WORD NEW HAS ALSO KIND OF A COUPLE OF CONTRACTORS HAVE COME IN AND SAID, WELL, IT SAYS NEW SO I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT ON A, ON AN EXISTING HOUSE THAT'S BEEN REWIRED OR RE YOU KNOW, FABRICATED AND EVERYTHING. SO YEAH, SO THE CURRENT LANGUAGE JUST REMOVED HER. OKAY. YOU GUYS AGREED TO KEEP THE CURRENT AMENDMENT AND REMOVE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? YES. OKAY. OKAY, NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER 1 41 A CHANGE TO [01:35:01] ARTICLE 4 0 8 POINT 36 DELETED EXCEPTION ONE. RIGHT GUYS, GO WITH THAT CHANGE AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 4 0 8 43 TO PROHIBIT PANEL BOARDS FROM BEING INSTALLED IN THE FACE UP POSITION. BE SURPRISED. , APPARENTLY THEY HAD TO PUT IT IN. THINK ABOUT THAT MEANS . OH MY. OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR THAT ONE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS THE NEW SECTION FOUR, 10.7 TO PROHIBIT RECONDITIONING OF EQUIPMENT COVERED IN ARTICLE FOUR 10 AND PROPER APPLICATION OF RETROFIT KITS. WE'RE GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR THAT RECONDITION EQUIPMENT. OKAY, NEXT ITEM. NEW SECTION FOUR, 10 POINT 10 D FOR BATHTUB AND SHOWER AREAS. SPEC SPECIFICATIONS TO IMPROVE CLARITY OF TYPES OF LUMINARIES REQUIRED. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, NEXT ITEM, A CHANGE TO FOUR 10 POINT 22 REVISION TO RECOGNIZE RECEPTACLES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A FACE PLATE AS TO A MEANS TO COVER A BOX OF ADD AND LIGHTING OUTLET. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NEXT ITEM 1 46, THE CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO FOUR 10 POINT 36. THAT'S AMENDMENT FOR FIXTURE SUPPORT WIRES AT OPPOSITE CORNERS. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT AS WRITTEN. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO FOUR 10 POINT 36 A. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD? ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE OF FOUR 10 POINT 42 REVISION TO CLARIFY GROUNDING REQUIREMENTS AND LUMINARIES AND A NEW EXCEPTION. THAT EXCEPTION MIGHT BE IN 44. NO, IS IT IN 44? THIS IS ITEM LINE ITEM 1 48, CORRECT? RIGHT. OH, NO EXCEPTION. YEAH, NO EXCEPTION. YEAH, I I COULD IGNORE THAT VERBIAGE FOR THE NEW EXCEPTION. THIS WAS PROBABLY LATE AT NIGHT WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THIS ONE. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT SECTION? [01:40:01] NOT ANY CONCERNS WITH, EXCEPT WHETHER THIS SECTION OR YOU. WE WILL ADD IT IN THE SECTION THAT WE REVIEWED IT. SO 4, 10, 44 AND 44. 42 AND 44. OKAY. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE TWO SECTIONS? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE, UH, FOUR DISCUSSION ARE THE CHANGES TO 4 10 62 C ONE A. I DON'T THINK THE DISCUSSION IS GONNA BE NEEDED IF WE'RE NOT GONNA, UM, KEEP THAT PART ABOUT THE LIGHT FIXTURES ABOUT THE CORDS BEING E LISTED PART OF, OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE. OKAY, SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YES. YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT ONE FOR ITEM 1 49. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS THE NEW SECTION FOUR 10 POINT 69. I I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ON THIS ONE. I THINK THE, THE GRAY WAS PUTTING ME OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE COMMITTEE AGREES. I DON'T THINK THERE'S RIGHT IT'S ALREADY COVERED. , YOU, YOU GUYS AGREED TO ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN? OKAY, NEXT TO ITEM IS A CHANGE, THE FOUR 10.1 16 C REVISION, A RELOCATED REQUIREMENT COVERING LUMINARIES INSTALLED IN FIRE RATED CEILINGS. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. THE NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION FOUR 10.1 18. A NEW REQUIREMENT IN PART 10 COVERING USE OF RECESS LUMINARIES AS ACCESS PORTS. THIS ONE, WELL ACTUALLY, UM, SOMETHING IN CITY HALL WOULD NOT HAVE WORKED EITHER. IT'S RENOVATION, SO, OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SEE WE'RE STILL MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THE NEXT ITEM 1 53 IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE FOUR TEN ONE THIRTY SEVEN C. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YEP. OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM, UM, ARTICLE FOUR 10 NEW SECTION FOR PROVISIONS FOR HORTICULTURE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT. I WILL SAY PART 16, SORRY, I GUESS THAT'S IT'S ALL FOUR TEN ONE SEVENTY FOUR, TEN ONE, SEVEN EIGHT. THIS HAS TO BE DUE TO ALL THE CANNABIS GROWTH [01:45:01] JUST SIT HERE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. YEAH. YOU READY? ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE? YEAH. UH, CHANGES. OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM CHANGE 2 4 11 0.4 REVISIONS TO ADD REQUIREMENT PROHIBITING RECONDITIONING OF SYSTEMS AND EQUIPMENT COVERED BY ARTICLE FOUR 11. WHAT'S THAT? . OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. UH, NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE TO 4 22 0.5 A. A NEW INFORMATIONAL NOTE FOR GCIS FOUR. WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM. UH, BRANCH CIRCUITS. THIS IS A CHANGE OF 4 22 POINT 10. YOU GUYS GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE OF 4 22 POINT 13. SO REVISIONS TO CLARIFY THAT ONLY THE BRANCH CIRCUIT CONDUCTORS AND O C D ARE REQUIRED TO BE SIZED BASED ON 125% OF THE LOAD HEATER LOAD. THAT ONE'S GOOD. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 4 22 POINT 22 NEW REQUIREMENT FOR USE OF SEPARATED ATTACHMENT FITTINGS. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE OF 4 24 0.4. WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION, SO ITEM, UM, A CHANGE TO 4 24 POINT 19. WHAT WAS THE THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, VALERIE? UH, ACTUALLY I MEANT TO DISCUSS THIS WITH HVAC. UM, THEY'VE RUN INTO A COUPLE INSTANCES, UM, WHERE THEY'RE USING A LOCK OFF ON A BREAKER IN, OUT OF SIGHT FOR THESE, BUT I'M, I'M THINKING THAT IN SOME OF THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE THAT, THAT THAT WAS THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS WE ALLOWED THE REMOVAL OF THE LOCAL DISCONNECTING MEANS FOR HVAC EQUIPMENT. 'CAUSE VERBIAGE IN THE CODE LEND ITSELF IS STILL REQUIRING THAT. UM, THAT WAS THE REASON I'D WANTED TO DISCUSS IT WITH HVAC OVER IT. UM, BUT I THINK WHAT AFTER THE RESEARCH THAT I DID THAT WE, THE LOCAL DISCONNECTS ARE STILL REQUIRED. SO YOU WANNA TABLE THIS ONE OR ARE WE GOOD TO ADOPT THAT ONE OR IS IT MORE OF AN IMPLEMENTATION? I'M FINE WITH IT. YEAH. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? OKAY. AND THEN NEXT ITEM 4 24 POINT 19 B ONE IS THIS, WHAT'S THIS ONE VALERIE? UH, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING SO WE CAN, IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO ADOPT, OH THERE, IT'S, THERE'S NO REASON REALLY TO DISCUSS, I THINK. OKAY, YOU GUYS A GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY. UM, THE NEXT ITEM, CHANGE OF 4 24 POINT 20 A A, A REVISION TO CLARIFY THE REQUIRED LOCATION OF DEVICE SERVING AS CONTROLLER AND DISCONNECTED MEANS [01:50:07] WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY, NEXT ONE IS A 4 24 POINT 22 A AND ALSO 22 C. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE TWO? OKAY, NEXT ITEM 1, 1 66. THAT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 4, 25 POINT 22 B AND IT CHANGE ALSO TO 22 D. ARE WE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN THOSE ITEMS? OKAY, NEXT ONE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN A CHANGE OF 4 25 POINT 82. YOU GUYS GOOD ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT CHANGE IS 4 26 POINT 22 A THROUGH E WITH THE EXCEPTION OF LAST FEBRUARY. I'M NOT SO SURE HOW APPLICABLE THIS ARTICLE MIGHT BE. , I . OKAY, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE. NEXT ITEM IS THE CHANGE OF 4 26 51 A AND D REVISION TO CORRELATE WITH GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCKABLE DISCONNECTING MEANS SPECIFIED IN ARTICLE 1 10 25. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? UM, NEXT ITEM, A CHANGE OF FOUR 30 POINT 32, A TWO AND B TWO TO ADD ELECTRIC ELECTRONICALLY PROTECTED AS A METHOD FOR PROVIDING OVERLOAD PROTECTION. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT WHEN ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YOU NEED A MINUTE? WE ARE GOOD. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE. UH, THE NEXT ITEM I HAVE A 1 72 IS A NEW SECTION TO FOUR 30.1 22 B. [01:55:33] YOU GUYS ARE MOVING AHEAD, AREN'T YOU? I CAN SEE IT. YOU'RE TURNING THE PAGES ALREADY'S. OKAY. IT'S GOOD. THE NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 4 45 0.6. SO THIS NEW REQUIREMENT EXCEPTION AND INFORMATIONAL NOTE TO COVER LISTING OR FIELD EVALUATION OF STATIONARY GENERATORS. WE LIKE THOSE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION 4 45 POINT 18 C . ANDY, THAT'S WHAT YOU GET. THOSE LARGER GENERATORS, SOMETHING GOING WRONG, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WALK UP TO THAT . WE ACTUALLY HAD THE, UM, 18 D FOR DISCUSSION. THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UH, EXTERIOR EMERGENCY SHUTDOWNS FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. UM, I WASN'T SURE EXACTLY. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. I'M JUST NOT SURE. ARE WE GONNA MAKE IT BE LIKE A ONE STOP OR PUSH BUTTON STOP? I GUESS WE CAN'T REALLY MANDATE THAT. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW WE'D DO IT. IT JUST HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED AS EMERGENCY STOP. IT'S, THIS IS ALSO KIND OF MIRRORS ITSELF IN, UM, THE BATTERY SECTION, RESIDENTIAL BATTERIES, AND AGAIN, IN, UH, ANYTHING PROBABLY THAT'S DISTRIBUTED GENERATION. YEAH. STARTED LOOKING AT SOMETHING. GENERATORS ANSWER TO THAT IS MORE AND MORE AFTER WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. YES. YEAH. THEY'RE GETTING IN ALL OVER PLACE. INUNDATED. YEP. MORE PEOPLE GENERATOR. YEAH, . AND I TOOK THE LEAP OFF THE MOVE. I REMEMBER IT VERY WELL. SO WOULD WE ADOPT AS WRITTEN ON ADD ON THIS ONE OR ADD SOMETHING IN THERE? WELL, YOU KNOW, SO I LOOK AT A SITUATION LIKE THIS AND, AND QUESTIONING THE, THE LOGIC BEHIND IT. I GUESS IF YOU'LL, BUT WOULD THE HOUSE BILL, CAN WE WE DO ANYTHING WITH IT? I DON'T THINK WE COULD REALLY MANDATE WHAT, WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE. IT JUST HAS TO BE SOMETHING CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN A MEANS TO, TO SHUT IT DOWN. UM, AND SOMETHING THAT'S CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE TO AN AVERAGE HOMEOWNER THAT MAYBE IS A LAYMAN AT ELECTRICAL. SO IN MY MIND YOU SAY LOCATED OUTSIDE THE DWELLING IN A, IF THEY'VE GOT ANY KIND OF TRANSFER SWITCH EQUIPMENT, THAT'S THE BEST PLACE FOR ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, WE WILL DO NEXT ITEM NEW SECTIONS IN FOUR 80.7 B THROUGH G FOR STORAGE. BATTERIES, [02:00:07] LIKES EQUIPMENT, AC, UPS, STATION BATTERY UPSS. UH, JUST A QUICK REMINDER TO GO AHEAD AND USE OUR MICROPHONES, UH, THERE. YEAH, SO, UM, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT STORAGE BATTERIES, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE MOST FREQUENT ONE WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS, IS AC U P S SYSTEMS AND THEN YOU, BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE DC UH, STORAGE SYSTEMS FOR STATION BATTERIES, FOR SWITCH GEAR AND THAT KIND OF STUFF AS WELL. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS ONE ALSO HAS THE EXTRA REQUIREMENT FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS FOR, UH, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF THE TESLA STORAGE BATTERIES, THOSE KIND OF THING ON RESIDENTIAL NOW. SO, YEAH, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA START SEEING MORE OF THESE WITH, WITH MORE AND MORE PEOPLE PUTTING IN THE, UH, SOLAR SYSTEMS TO HAVE BATTERY BACKUP ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE AS WELL. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE CHANGES TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN? OKAY, NEXT ITEM. NEW SECTIONS FOR FOUR 80 POINT 12 AND 13 FOR BATTERY INTERCONNECTIONS. GROUNDING FAULT DETECTION. YOU GUYS CONCUR WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN. UH, NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION FOUR 90 POINT 21, A FIVE NEW REQUIREMENT FOR LISTING OF RETRO RETROFIT TRIP UNITS TO BE LISTED FOR A SPECIFIC CIRCUIT BREAKER. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION FOUR 90, TOP 49. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE FOR A RECONDITIONED, SWITCHGEAR RECONDITIONED ITEMS. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN, WE MADE IT TO ARTICLE 500. SO I KNOW WE WANNA LEAVE A LITTLE TIME TO GO OVER LICENSING STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAVE A HANDFUL MORE. YOU GUYS THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THESE OR YOU WANNA, YOU YOU WANT, UM, A CHANGE OF PACE? I'M GONNA DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND AND DOING A LITTLE CHANGE OF PACE. OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD STOPPING POINT. WE'RE GOOD? OKAY THEN, UH, YEAH, SO WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION AND TO APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH AND, UH, THAT'LL GIMME A SECOND TO GET JOSEPH BARNELL BACK DOWN HERE. OKAY. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO BACK TO THE FULL BOARD AS WE'VE COVERED THEM TODAY WITH THE FEW THAT WE'VE TABLED. UM, CRYSTAL, CAN YOU GO DOWN THROUGH AND IDENTIFY WHICH ONES THOSE ARE FOR US? YES. SO WE STILL WANNA TABLE ITEM 6, 12, 42, 45, AND 46. WE WANNA WAIT TILL C P S IS ABLE TO COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO BE TABLED TILL NEXT MEETING. CHRIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO WE ALSO, THAT INCLUDES THE TABLING OF, BEFORE WE HAVE THE SAN ANTONIO APARTMENT ASSOCIATION MEMBERS BACK TO DISCUSS ONE OF THOSE ITEMS. YES. YES. THAT WAS THE 42. YES. FIRST SURGE PROTECTION. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT MATCHES MY NOTES. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE LIST? OKAY, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE [02:05:01] TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WHAT WE'VE DONE TODAY WITH THOSE FEW EXCEPTIONS? UH, LIDDEL TOY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. UM, ALL THE PROPOSED UPDATES OTHER THAN THE ITEMS TABLED. EDWARD HORROW, UH, I SECOND THE MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO I THINK THAT, UH, PUTS US TABLING THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO UNTIL NEXT TIME. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS LOOKING AT THE I R C. I THINK WE'RE TABLING THAT UNTIL NEXT TIME AS WELL. UH, SO THE LAST ITEM IS AGENDA NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS KIND OF LOOKING AT LICENSING AND REGISTRATION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, SPECIFIC FOR LICENSED ELECTRICIANS. THAT IS A REGISTRATION. WE DON'T LICENSE ANY ELECTRICIANS. ALL WE DO IS REGISTER THEM WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, WE, THIS IS KIND OF AN OPEN DIALOGUE. WE'RE NOT REALLY GONNA PRESENT THE CODE TO Y'ALL. WE JUST WANNA GET SOME FEEDBACK. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BASED OFF OF THE ADDITION OF OUR INVESTIGATIONS TEAM, I THINK, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SEEN SOME APPEALS COME THROUGH THAT PROCESS. WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT, MAKE IT FIT, UH, THE NEW APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING WITH THAT. AND THEN CLEAN UP A FEW ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE REGISTERED UNDER ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRADES THAT WE HAVE, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, UH, ALSO THE HOME BUILDERS, UH, HOME REMODELS, DEMOLITION, UH, HOME MOVERS. WE WANT TO TRY TO CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THOSE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE ABLE TO REGISTER IT. AND ALSO THE BUILDING OFFICIALS ABILITY TO REVOKE OR SUSPEND THOSE REGISTRATIONS INTO ONE SECTION SO THAT WE HAVE TO REPEAT IT MULTIPLE TIMES. MAYBE REDUCE THE SIZE OF CHAPTER 10 BY A FEW, GET FEW PAGES AS KIND OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL AND MAKE IT UNIFORM FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, TRADES. WE WANT SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO ONE TRADE THAT ISN'T SPECIFIC TO ANOTHER ONE THAT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, NOT THE INTENT THAT WE'RE GOING FOR WITH THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. UH, SO WHAT, AS WE'RE DOING THAT, WE'RE ALSO GONNA KIND OF CLEAN UP THAT SECTION. UM, BUT WHAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE PLUMBING AND THE MECHANICAL ALREADY, AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE REALLY GONNA GO BACK TO THE STATE. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THE STATE SAYS, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO BE MORE STRINGENT. UH, SO ANYTHING WE, ANY CHANGES WE DO OR ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT SAY IF YOU'RE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, LIKE DOCUMENTATION OF VEHICLES, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE LICENSED AND WHO CAN BE ON SITE AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF. WE'RE GONNA FALL BACK AND TRY TO PUSH EVERYTHING BACK TO THE STATE LEVEL AND SAY, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WE'RE HERE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE REGISTERED, YOU'RE REGISTERED, PULLING THE PERMITS AND, AND COMPLETING IT CORRECTLY, PASSING YOUR INSPECTIONS, THAT TYPE OF APPROACH. UM, ULTIMATELY THIS SECTION, ALL THESE SECTIONS UNDER CHAPTER 10 WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE FULL BOARD ONCE WE'VE KIND OF FINALIZED IT. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, BUT WE JUST WANT TO SEE IF Y'ALL HAD ANY ISSUES. AND I KNOW, UH, CHIEF VARE, I'M SORRY, VALERIE GLEASON HAS, UH, SOME IDEAS THAT SHE WOULD LIKE TO BRING PRESENT AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO LINEMEN AND APPRENTICES. SO, UH, ARE YOU READY FOR THAT, VALERIE? YES, I'M OKAY. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO VALERIE REAL FAST. VALERIE GLEASON, I'M THE CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE RUNNING ACROSS, UH, WITH THE LICENSING, AND I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THE CURRENT CHAPTER 10 DOES HAVE A RATIO OF JOURNEYMAN TO APPRENTICE, UH, EIGHT TO ONE OR ACTUALLY REVERSE THAT ONE TO EIGHT, EIGHT APPRENTICES FOR ONE JOURNEYMAN SITUATION WE ARE RUNNING INTO IS THERE IS NOT A RATIO FOR RESIDENTIAL WIREMEN, UH, RESIDENTIAL WIRE, MEN'S LICENSE, UM, HAS LESS TIME TO EARN THAT LICENSE. A JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN IS FOUR YEARS. A WIREMAN UNDER THE STATE IS TWO YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN TEST. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD WANTED TO REQUEST WAS TO HAVE A RATIO OF ONE WIREMAN TO FOUR APPRENTICES. AND WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO, AND MANY, MANY OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS, WE REALIZE WORK IS JUST BOOMING AND, AND IT'S HARD TO HIRE PEOPLE. I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME HIRING PEOPLE, BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT TO WHERE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN HAVE APPRENTICE CARDS AND THEY'RE OUT THERE UNSUPERVISED. UM, AND, AND, AND WE'VE EVEN BEEN TOLD BY ONE OR TWO OF THE, OF THE COMPANIES THAT THEIR, THEIR BUSINESS MODEL IS TO HAVE APPRENTICES IN THESE HOUSES AND THE JOURNEYMEN WILL COME BY THE NEXT DAY AND QUALITY CONTROL, EVERYTHING. SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE UNSUPERVISED. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A RATIO IN OUR CHAPTER 10, AND I DO REALIZE THAT THIS IS STRICTER THAN THE STATE LAW, UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT A RATIO THAT THEY COULD WORK AS MANY APPRENTICES AS THEY WANTED TO, TO ONE WIREMAN. SO I, I JUST HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME WITH IT. I THINK IT'S [02:10:01] ENCOURAGING PEOPLE NOT TO GET THEIR LICENSES, UM, AND IT'S ALSO KEEPING A CERTAIN INDUSTRY OF PEOPLE DOWN, WHICH IS STAYING WITH AN APPRENTICE CARD. SO I, UH, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS. SO THANK YOU CHIEF GLEASON, JEREMY MCDONALD, D S T, AND I GUESS THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS AND SEE IF Y'ALL HAD ANY FEEDBACK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS. BUT THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY, AS I WAS SAYING, THE GOAL IS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE STATE, BUT WHENEVER THEY DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A DEFINED ANSWER, SOMETIMES IT'S A GRAY AREA. WE DO HAVE TO LOOK INTO ADDING SOME VERBIAGE THERE. WE TRY NOT TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT WHENEVER WE DO HAVE SEA ISSUES THAT ARE KIND OF CONSISTENTLY OUT THERE, UH, FOR ALL OUR DIFFERENT, UH, INSPECTORS IN THE FIELD, WE DO TRY TO DEFINE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT WE WANTED TO GET SOME INDUSTRY INPUT ON THAT AS WELL. UH, RON, RON KAMUS, YOU KNOW, THE, AS AS I THINK THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR, FOR THE MARKET AREA THAT THE COMPANY I WORK FOR IS ENGAGED IN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WATCH VERY CL CLOSELY AND THE RATIOS THAT WE MAINTAIN FOR BOTH, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THEN FROM A QUALITY STANDPOINT, THEN FROM A COST STANDPOINT. BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT THE NORM ACROSS THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE. UM, AND WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IF, IF WE MAKE THIS REVISION, THERE'S GONNA BE A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE WAY THE INDUSTRY HAS TO DO BUSINESS, UM, ACROSS SAN ANTONIO. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE AN OUTCRY, IF YOU WILL, AN UPROAR. AND I THINK WE NEED, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE, WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE REALITY THAT, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO GET ENGAGED INTO THE INDUSTRY AND THAT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO DO. UM, I HAD THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF SITTING ON A, A COMMITTEE FOR N I S D MANY YEARS AGO, SHORTLY AFTER THEY PASSED HOUSE BILL 72. AND WHAT HOUSE BILL 72 IS, IT DECIMATED THE SHOP CLASSES BECAUSE THEY WERE REQUIRING STUDENTS TO GET MORE, UH, ACADEMIC CREDIT HOURS TO BE ABLE TO GRADUATE. AND THAT HAD TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT THIS COMMITTEE TO TRY TO GIVE THEM SUGGESTIONS AND SOLUTIONS, AND THERE SIMPLY WEREN'T ANY, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MANY HOURS IN A DAY AND THE KIDS WERE GONNA GET THE CREDIT HOURS THAT THEY NEEDED IN ORDER TO GRADUATE. IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO GET FOLKS INTO THE INDUSTRY, BUT THAT SAID, WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PROTECTING THEM ONCE THEY GET THERE. AND HAVING INDIVIDUALS OUT WORKING UNSUPERVISED DOES NOT DO THAT. SO HOW DO WE BALANCE THESE TWO THINGS, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S, THAT'S TO ME IS, IS A TOUGH QUESTION TO ASK AND IT'S A TOUGHER QUESTION TO ANSWER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH DAY IN AND DAY OUT, AND FIND OUT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO MANAGE THIS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD RESPONSE AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THAT CORRECT BALANCE AND, AND YOU KNOW, HAVING THE TRADE INDIVIDUALS HERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT IS CURRENT COMPANIES DOING? I'M NOT SURE IF HE'LL, UM, OR YOU ALL HAVE ANY RESPONSE ON THAT. LIKE WHAT IS Y'ALL'S STANDARD APPRENTICE TO TRADESMEN APPROACH RIGHT NOW? IF Y'ALL HAVE ONE, YOU MIGHT, IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT ONTO THAT AS WELL. I'M SORRY. I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE, DO Y'ALL, DOES HE ELECTRIC HAVE, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT. I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE, ON THE SPOT BY ANY MEANS, UH, BUT I WAS WONDERING, DO Y'ALL HAVE KIND OF A, A STANDARD WITHIN THE COMPANY, UH, SINCE YOU DON'T REALLY GET ANYTHING FROM THE STATE OR THE CITY THAT KIND OF SAYS, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT OUR APPRENTICE FOR TO TRADESMEN IS, IS X OR IS IT KIND OF JUST AS MARKET DEMAND? THIS IS GARY WITH HILL ELECTRIC? NO, WE DON'T HAVE A STANDARD, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, A RATIO GOES, BUT JUST BY THE NATURE OF OUR SIZE OF OUR COMPANY, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, UH, OVERLOADING A JOURNEYMAN WITH, UH, EXORBITANT NUMBER OF APPRENTICES. UH, OUR TYPICAL SERVICE CREWS OR ONE-TO-ONE, ONE JOURNEYMAN TO ONE APPRENTICE. UH, THE COMMERCIAL GUYS OR COMMERCIAL JOBS ARE, ARE A LITTLE HEAVIER, IF YOU WILL. MAYBE ONE TO FOUR, ONE TO FIVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DEPENDING ON THE ACTUAL PROJECT AT AT HAND. BUT, UM, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE THOUGHT IS ABOUT COMMERCIAL RATIOS AND POSSIBLY THE INDUSTRIAL RATIOS. UH, AND I DO REALIZE THAT THE, THE, THE POTENTIAL OF, OF THAT RATIO BEING WAY OUTTA HAND IN THE RESIDENTIAL SECTOR IS PROBABLY PRETTY HIGH. I'VE SEEN IT MYSELF, UH, [02:15:01] LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS AND SO FORTH. UM, SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE HAVE FOR, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS HOW ELECTRIC GOES. OKAY, PERFECT. I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, YEAH, SO I, I AGREE AND I, I THINK RON, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS WE WILL REACH OUT TO MORE INDUSTRY AND UH, MAYBE BEFORE NEXT WEEK WE CAN ALSO DO THAT, BUT DEFINITELY BEFORE WE SIT DOWN AND MAKE A FINAL DECISION, BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, WE'LL TRY TO HAVE THAT AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS KIND OF THAT DOUBLE-EDGED, YOU KNOW, APPROACH TO IT. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE SOME FORM OF STANDARD ACROSS THE CITY IF WE CAN. UH, BUT REALLY THE IDEAL IS OUR INSPECTORS ARE OUT IN THE FIELD, WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING, MAKING SURE THE WORK IS DONE TO CODE. UH, SO WE AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THAT AS A MINIMUM. AND THEN WHATEVER WE HAVE AS FAR AS A RATIO, IF WE DO COME UP WITH ONE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD ADD AS WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE IT MEETS CODE IS, IS OUT THERE AS WELL. OKAY. UM, THAT BEING SAID, UH, ANY OTHER ITEMS, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE AS FAR AS CHAPTER 10 AND REGISTRATIONS AND LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS FOR ELECTRICAL? I'M, I'M CURIOUS, DO, DOES THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAVE UH, ELECTRICAL OR ELECTRICIANS THAT STILL RETAIN AN ELECTRICAL CITY LICENSE? NO, THEY DO NOT. NO. WELL, UH, THERE ARE A FEW MASTER LEGACY MASTERS I THINK I APOLOGIZE. UH, LEGACY MASTERS AND IT'S, BUT THEY'RE GETTING FEWER AND FEWER AND FEWER . BUT AS FAR AS ISSUING AS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ISSUE LICENSES ANYMORE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT IT WAS MECHANICAL ONLY. SO WE DO HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE A FEW. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. BUT SO SIMILAR TO THE MECHANICAL, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS TRY TO ISOLATE THAT, UH, LIKE THE MECHANICAL SECTION, IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO TELL THAT YOU GET THAT USE OF LICENSE AND REGISTRATION A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH AND WE WANNA SEPARATE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, SO THAT IT'S LIKE, YES, WHEN YOU'RE LICENSED, WE HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT, A LITTLE BIT MORE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MECHANICAL SIDE. I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING EDUCATION INCENTIVE A FEE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT ONCE YOU MOVE INTO A REGISTRATION, THAT'S REALLY MORE OF A PRESENT TO US THAT YOU ARE LICENSED FOR THE STATE AND REALLY WE JUST KIND OF ASSIGN YOU, UM, INTO OUR SYSTEM ALLOWS YOU TO PULL PERMITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT ALSO GIVES US THE GOVERNANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH NOT PULLING PERMITS, UH, NOT COMPLETING INSPECTIONS, UH, DOING THINGS THAT INTERFERE WITH OUR CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, FRAUD, THAT TYPE OF STUFF. THE BACKGROUND CHECKS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE RUN INTO ANY OF THAT, WE CAN AT LEAST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SUSPEND A LICENSE BY ANY MEANS. WE WILL GO TO THE STATE AND NOTIFY THEM, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST SUSPEND A REGISTRATION AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOUR LICENSE IS FINE, THE STATE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PULL PERMITS AND COMPLETE INSPECTIONS IN THE CITY ANYMORE FOR AT LEAST A 30, 60 90 DAY WINDOW OR A FULL REVOCATION IF WE NEED TO. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THAT SECTION THAT WE WANNA PULL ALL THAT AND MAKE THAT THE, KIND OF THE SAME FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT TRADES AND HAVE IT AS A STANDALONE SECTION IN CHAPTER 10. OKAY. I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WITH THE, WITH THOSE LEGACY INDIVIDUALS, DO, DO WE KNOW IF THEY MAINTAIN A CITY AND A STATE LICENSE AND THEY JUST WANNA KEEP THEIR CITY LICENSE? JUST CURIOUS. I, I THINK SOME DO. IT KIND OF HURT WHEN I LOST MY CITY LICENSE 'CAUSE THAT WAS HARD EARNED. UM, BUT I DO KNOW OF AT LEAST A COUPLE OF CONTRACTORS THAT THAT'S THE ONLY LICENSE THEY HAVE. THEY'RE OLDER, THEY'RE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED TO PURSUE THE STATE LICENSE, YOU KNOW, SO, AND EASY ENOUGH IF YOU'RE ALREADY LICENSED HERE TO JUST GRANDFATHERING IT. BUT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY HAVE HERE, SO. ALRIGHT. UM, THAT WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND UM, THIS ISN'T REALLY, I MEAN, IF Y'ALL WANTED TO MAKE AN ACTION AND HAVE ANYTHING AND HAVE VOTE, Y'ALL CAN, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION IF WE CAN GET SOME BEFORE, UH, FOR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING AS WELL. BUT IF NOT, ULTIMATELY THE ACTION ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR ALL THESE SECTIONS WILL JUST BE BRING, BROUGHT TO THE FULL BOARD. UH, PRIOR TO THAT MEETING. WE'LL KIND OF OUTLINE IT SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF IT. IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANNA TALK ABOUT IT, BUT IF NOT, IT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE HERE'S WHAT WE PRESENTED TO EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND, AND MAKE THOSE CHANGE. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, BESIDES THIS ONE ITEM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO CHANGE ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, EDITORIAL CLARIFICATION AND, YOU KNOW, RESTRUCTURING SO IT JUST DOESN'T GET REPEATED MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT'S UNIFORM ACROSS ALL TRADES. YEAH. UH, RON KAMAS AGAIN TO, TO ME IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, YOU KNOW, IS JUST ONE, IT STREAMLINES GIVES EVERYBODY THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC TO, TO WORK FROM SO TO SPEAK AND, UH, SIMPLIFIES THE PROCESS FOR THE CITY MOVING FORWARD. OKAY, PERFECT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT AGENDA ITEM. UH, SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR TODAY. UH, WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. [ Director's Report  ] ONCE AGAIN, THIS, UH, JUST AS WE MENTIONED LAST TIME, I'M PUTTING THIS OUT HERE FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING IT, UH, JUST SO THEY HAVE A LINK TO LOOK AT AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO SEE ALL THE UPDATE UPDATED INFORMATION. UH, WE, ONCE A WEEK WE DO KIND OF COMPILE ALL OF THESE, UH, REVIEWS AS A DRAFT AND WE PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE SO THEY CAN KINDA BE, UH, WATCHING THESE AS THEY GO. THEY CAN GO AND WATCH ALL THE VI VIDEOS. SO I THINK WE'RE ON LIKE MEETING NUMBER SIX OR SEVEN OF 25. SO IF ANYBODY HAS A FEW HOURS TO KILL, THEY CAN GO BACK AND WATCH ALL THESE MEETINGS. , UH, I THINK YOU CAN ADJUST IT TO WHERE IT GOES BY LIKE FIVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE TIMES FASTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO [02:20:01] GET THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICK. AND THEN ALSO WE DO WANT AS MUCH, UH, INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS, OUR INDUSTRY TRADE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IF THEY CAN BE HERE FOR THESE MEETINGS, THEY CAN EMAIL US AT B R FAB@SANANTONIO.GOV. ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT COME IN, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM, TRY TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. BUT AS A MINIMUM WE'LL AT LEAST READ INTO THE RECORD TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION. AND THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING FOR THE STAFF. SO IF, UH, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN, I THINK THAT'LL CONCLUDE. OKAY. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION. EDWARD DELTORO. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, LIDDEL TOY SECONDS. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALRIGHT. OPPOSED? WE STAND ADJOURNED. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 3:55 PM THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.