* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. [00:00:02] I'M CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, WE ARE READY TO GET STARTED ON OUR BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD FOR, UH, PLUMBING CODE COMMITTEE NUMBER TWO. SO WE'LL START WITH THE ROLL CALL. [ Roll Call  ] GREG MCFARLAND. MARK ROSS. GEORGE SALIBA. HERE. SPENCER RAMSELL. HERE. ROBERT JONES. HERE. JOE LAOS. HERE. UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, SO OUR FIRST [ Approval of Minutes  ] AGENDA ITEM IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, PLUMBING CODE COMMITTEE NUMBER ONE, HELD ON MARCH 2ND, 2022. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT LAST WEEK'S MINUTES. I SECOND IT. OKAY. WE HAVE AN, UH, APPROVAL FOR ACCEPTING THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING. OKAY. JUST A REMINDER, YOU GUYS, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD. SO WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE MINUTES. OKAY. UM, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED, WE HAVE SAS HERE [ Public Comments  ] FOR A COUPLE PRESENTATIONS, SO IF WE, IF YOU GUYS AGREE, WE CAN GET STARTED ON THAT. OKAY. THERE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. ARE YOU GONNA FORWARD THAT FOR ME AS WE GO THROUGH? OKAY. GOOD MORNING COMMITTEE. UH, MY NAME IS SCOTT HALTE. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF RESOURCE PROTECTION COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT FOR SAWS, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING SAWS. UM, THIS PRESENTATION IS ON A PROPOSED CODE EDITION, UM, AND IT'S RELATED TO, UH, CHANGES THAT E P A IS MAKING TO THE LEAD AND COPPER RULE. THANKS. THE E P A, UH, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS HAS MADE A CHANGE TO THE RULE, AND THAT CHANGE IS DUE TO WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED UP IN FLINT. UM, THESE CHANGES ACTUALLY TOOK EFFECT IN DECEMBER OF 2021. UM, AND E P A IS TAKING MORE OF A GET THE LEAD OUT. IN THE PAST, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TO DO TESTING AND NOTIFY IF WE HAVE ANY RESULTS FOR LEAD. UM, NOW E P A IS SAYING, FIND THE LEAD, GET IT OUT OF THE GROUND, AND THEY WANNA DO THIS IN ABOUT 15 YEARS OF TIME. UM, AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS IN OLDER HOMES AND BUILDINGS LEAD, UH, CAN LEACH OUT IN THE DRINKING WATER. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE PROPOSED CHANGES. NEXT. SO IT HAS MANY PARTS, UM, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY SAWS. IT THINKS THIS IS A VERY, UH, NEEDED RULE, UH, EFFECTIVE RULE. WE WANT TO DO THIS. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE PUT SOME VERY TIGHT TIME DEADLINES FOR ON US. THE FIRST DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE, AND WHICH IS WHAT OUR CODE AMENDMENT IS FOR TODAY, IS TO DO A LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY. WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS INITIALLY IDENTIFY THE AREAS WITH THE GREATEST POTENTIAL FOR LEAD CONTAMINATION AND DRINKING WATER. UM, THIS INVENTORY WILL BE MADE PUBLIC. WE WILL PUT IT ON OUR INTERNET SITE, UH, WHEN WE'RE DONE. UM, AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO IDENTIFY ALL PIPE MATERIAL. UM, WE NEED TO IDENTIFY LEAD. IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE PIPE MATERIAL IS. E P A SAYS IT IS LEAD THEN, UH, AND THEN GALVANIZED PIPE. IF THERE'S GALVANIZED IN THE GROUND AND YOU HAVE LEAD BETWEEN THE MAIN AND THAT GALVANIZED, THAT GALVANIZED WILL HAVE TO COME OUT BECAUSE THERE IS SOME LEAD IN GALVANIZED. SO, UM, AND WE, WE HAVE TO KNOW THIS FROM THE POINT THAT THAT PIPE, OUR SERVICE LATERAL TIES INTO THE MAIN, TO THE POINT WHERE THE PIPE ENTERS THE HOUSE. WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT PIPE MATERIAL IS. UM, AND THEN THIS IS DUE IN THREE YEARS, OCTOBER 24TH, 2024, WE HAVE TO PRESENT TO E P A, THAT INVENTORY. AND THEN WE EITHER HAVE TO SAY THAT LEAD IS ALL OUT OF THE GROUND, OR WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ACTION PLAN TO WHERE WE HAVE TO REMOVE ALL THAT LEAD PIPE NEXT. YEAH. SO YOU'RE, TO DEFINE THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ACTUAL LEAD PIPE, OR IF THERE'S COPPER BETWEEN THE METER AND THE HOUSE WHERE THE HOUSE MAYBE HAS GALVANIZED? WE, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE MAIN TO WHERE THAT PIPE IS ENTERING THE HOUSE. IF THERE IS ANY LEAD THERE, THEN IT HAS TO BE, UH, INVENTORIED AND REMOVED. IS THAT, SO AGAIN, [00:05:01] IF THERE'S COPPER THAT HAS LEAD IN IT, THAT'S THE REFERENCE. UM, YES. UH, IT, IF THE TESTING SHOWS, WE, WHAT WE'LL DO IN OUR ADDITION IS TO ASK THAT THERE BE TESTING DONE. AND THEN IF THAT TESTING SHOWS THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LEAD, THEN YES. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS SLIDE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I PUT TOGETHER. I WENT AND TOOK A PHOTO. THIS SLIDE IS FROM THE STATE, FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. AND WHAT THEY HAVE SAID IS, WE WILL LOOK FOR ALL DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAVE OF PAST RECORDS. WE CAN'T LOOK AT A DATABASE THAT SAYS, OH, THE, THIS IS LEAD FREE LINE. WE HAVE TO HAVE ACTUAL HISTORICAL TAP RECORDS DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW THAT THE PIPE IS NOT LEAD OR IT IS LEAD. AND IF NOT, WE HAVE TO GO AND DO SOME POTHOLING. AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE POTHOLE. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THE LINE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ENOUGH TO SATISFY, UM, THE T C E Q AND E P A THAT THERE IS NO LEAD ALONG THERE. AND THAT THIS KIND OF GOES TO WHY WE'RE AT ASKING FOR THE CODE CHANGE TODAY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE, RIGHT NOW I HAVE EIGHT TEMPORARY PEOPLE SCANNING IN ALL THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE AT SAS. AND SO, UH, WE ARE TRYING TO PUT OUT AN R F Q TO GET CONSULTED ON BOARD AND COLLECT THIS INFORMATION. BUT WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY GOING OUT TO OUR CONSTRUCTION SITES IF THEY'VE EXPOSED SERVICE LATERALS, IF THEY'VE EXPOSED PIPE PIPELINES, THEN THEY WILL BE COLLECTING EVIDENCE OF WHETHER THAT PIPE IS LEAD. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT, WE WILL BE POTHOLING, UH, ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SPENCER RAMSDALE, UH, THAT'S A LARGE AREA TO COVER. YOU GOT THE MANPOWER FOR THIS. AND ALSO, WHENEVER OUR NEW HOUSES ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, NOW THEY'RE REQUIRED FOR A T UH, CQ INSPECTION AT THE HOUSE GIVEN USUALLY BY A WATER PROTECTION SPECIALIST. IS THAT PUT INTO ACCOUNT WHENEVER YOU GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH THE PAPERWORK ON WHICH PROPERTIES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT? UM, YES. WE'LL, WE WILL BE, TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WE'RE BRINGING AN R F Q, WE'RE GONNA BRING A CONSULTANT AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE CONTRACTORS TO BE ABLE TO HELP US. WE DO NOT, NUMBER ONE, HAVE THE, THE MANPOWER. THIS RULE, WHICH SURPRISED US BECAUSE WE THOUGHT REALLY LEAD HAD STOPPED IN ABOUT 1989. T C E Q HAS MADE KNOWN THAT REALLY LEAD STOPPED IN 2014. AND SO UP TO 2014, WE WILL BE, UM, SEARCHING FOR RECORDS TO SHOW ANY LEAD, UM, THE INSPECTION WE HAVE, IF THAT INSPECTION, UM, MENTIONS HAS DIRECT REFERENCE TO LEAD, NOT PRESENCE OF LEAD AND SO FORTH, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO RUN THAT BY T C Q AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT RECORD. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH THIS RULE THAT ARE STILL BEING ANSWERED BY T C Q AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR SOME ANSWERS FROM E P A ON THIS. SO AS FAR AS LIKE THE NEW RESIDENTIAL START, I KNOW THAT REPORTS GIVEN ON EVERY HOUSE, NEW START BEFORE SAWS WILL RELEASE IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND UH, SO LIKE I SAY, IF, IF THERE'S ENOUGH REFERENCE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NO LEAD, UM, ON THE PROPERTY, UM, THEN THAT THEY WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT. UM, I'M NOT SURE YET WHETHER THAT DOCUMENT WILL BE ENOUGH FOR, FOR THEM. I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE, THAT'S A LITTLE, THAT'S A BIG AREA. THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S ALL I SAN ANTONIO. I, I'M TELLING YOU THIS IS, THIS IS, WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THIS RULE, BUT IT IS A VERY OMINOUS RULE TO CARRY OUT. IT'S VERY RESOURCE INTENSIVE. IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME, THREE YEARS TO INVENTORY ALL THE PRIVATE RESIDENCES, THE BUSINESSES AND SO FORTH, SERVICES. SO THAT'S OUTSIDE OF GREATER SAN ANTONIO? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. IT, IT, THIS IS, YEAH. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHOW OUR DUE DILIGENCE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE EXTENSIONS, BUT THIS POINT THERE'S NO TALK OF EXTENSIONS FOR US. SO THIS IS, THIS IS, AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE COMING WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, CODE CHANGE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE TODAY BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO TAP INTO ANY HELP OR RESOURCE WE CAN. AND SO, AND I'LL GET TO THAT CHANGE IN JUST A MOMENT. UH, GEORGE SALIVA, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION. SURE. SO WHEN YOU SAY TESTING FOR LEAD, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SWAB TEST OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY PULLING WATER AND TESTING THAT? [00:10:01] WE ARE, WE ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW THE, THE SWAB TEST. UM, WE HAVE DONE SOME EXPERIMENTS ON HOUSES WHERE WE WENT THROUGH AND DID SWAB TESTING. WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT KIND OF, THAT PILOT TEST TO T C Q TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH A SWAB TEST. WE BELIEVE THEY WILL. THEY'VE INDICATED THEY ARE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US THAT HARD. YES. BUT RIGHT NOW, SWAB TO TEST IS WHAT WE ARE, WE BELIEVE IT WILL BE. OKAY. SO THIS RULE CHANGE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN OWNER IS REPLACING THEIR PIPE AND THEY HAVE LEAD AND THE SERVICE LATERAL, UH, THE ON SAW SIDE OF THE METER IS LEAD, WE HAVE TO GO IN AND REPLACE IT AT THAT TIME. IF WE'RE OUT THERE AND WE ARE DOING SOME WORK, UH, AND WE UNCOVER THAT A RESIDENCE HAS A LEAD PIPE, WE HAVE TO OFFER TO REPLACE THAT PIPE AT THEIR COST, BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO OFFER TO REPLACE THAT PIPE, WE HAVE TO WAIT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, WHICH I BELIEVE IS EITHER 24 OR 48 HOURS. AND THEN IF THEY SAY, YES, REPLACE IT, WE'LL PAY FOR IT. WE HAVE 45 DAYS TO REPLACE IT. SO THIS, THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT THIS RULE IS REQUIRING. UM, BEFORE WE CAN GO IN AND, AND REPLACE A LEAD LINE FOR SOMEONE, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH, UH, PICTURE FILTERS OR FILTERS FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR WATER. UM, THEN WE CAN TAKE OUT THAT LINE. UH, WE HAVE TO OFFER TO GO BACK AND SAMPLE AGAIN, UM, AND SO FORTH. SO THIS IS A VERY, HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. UM, THEN AT THE END, WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO REPLACE THIS LINE AS WE GO. WE, WE DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A LOT OF LEAD PIPE. WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN OUR MAINS. UH, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA FIND SOME LEAD OUT THERE. WE'RE PRETTY SURE OF THAT, BUT WE DON'T THINK THERE'S A WHOLE LOT. UH, T C E Q HAS, UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CITIES, UH, REMOVE LEAD LINES AS THEY FIND THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO AT THE END OF THE THREE YEARS. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO T C Q AND SAY, HERE'S OUR INVENTORY AND WE'RE LEAD FREE. BUT IF NOT, THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE AT LEAST 3% OF THE LEAD LINES A YEAR. AND ALL LEAD HAS TO BE OUT OF THE GROUND IN 15 YEARS. SO NEXT, ONE MORE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. SURE. SO AGAIN, YOU KEEP REFERRING TO A LEAD PIPE, BUT WE'RE TALKING REPLACING COPPER. ARE YOU JUST SPEAKING OF THE OLD DAYS WHEN THEY RAN LEAD YES. LATERALS AND THEN YES, SIR. HOOKED ONTO THE COPPER? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COPPER IN COMBINATION WITH, YOU KNOW, OR CONTACT WITH GALVANIZE IS CREATING A, A IF COPPER HAS NOT SO MUCH BEEN MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MORE LEAD PIPE THAT WAS PUT INTO THE GROUND IN THE PAST, LONG, LONG AGO AND WAS STOPPED IN ABOUT 1986, I BELIEVE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN TARGET HERE. SO THE ADDITION THAT, UH, WE'RE ADDING, UM, IT RUNS FROM, IT PERTAINS TO THE PART OF THE LINE THAT'S FROM THE METER TO WHERE IT ENTERS THE HOUSE. SO THE PRIVATE SERVICE LATERAL, UM, WHEREIN WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS WHEN WORK IS PERFORMED ON A PRIVATE SERVICE LATERAL BY A PLUMBER WHERE THE PIPE IS BEING EXPOSED, UH, WE'RE ASKING THAT THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT PIPE MATERIAL, UM, THAT WILL KEEP US FROM HAVING TO DO LESS POTHOLING. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO POTHOLING NO MATTER WHAT. BUT THIS WILL HELP US, UH, IN DOING LESS OF THAT. WE BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WE THINK SWAB TESTING IS, WILL GET US BY. UM, BUT WE KINDA LEFT THE LANGUAGE. I'LL SHOW YOU THE LANGUAGE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. UM, LEAVE IT OPEN TO TESTING THAT T C E Q WILL RECOGNIZE AS EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS OR IS NOT LEAD. AND THEN THAT DOCUMENTATION NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO SAW SO THAT WE CAN START TO PUT THAT DATABASE, THAT INVENTORY REPORT TOGETHER. NEXT. SO THIS IS A DRAFT LANGUAGE. UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT SET IN STONE, BUT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. UH, THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO THE AREA BETWEEN THE METER AND THE POINT WHERE THE WATERLINE ENTERS THE RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS UPON EXPOSURE, THE WATERLINE FOR REPAIR AND OR REPLACEMENT, THAT THE PIPE MATERIAL AND ANY EXPOSED CONNECTORS OR SOLDER BE TESTED FOR LEAD SAW SHALL APPROVE THE TESTING METHODS, WHICH KEEPS IT OPEN TO [00:15:01] WHAT T C Q WILL ACCEPT. AND THEN THE TESTS AND PIPE MATERIAL MUST BE PHOTOGRAPHICALLY DOCUMENTED DOCUMENTATION. THE PIPE MATERIAL SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO SAWS. SO THAT'S THE CODE EDITION WE'RE ASKING FOR. UM, IT WILL HELP US WITH OUR INVENTORY AND MEETING OUR REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE RE REVISED LEAD AND COPPER RULE. UM, BUT, UH, UM, I CAN ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M ASKING THAT THE COMMITTEE PLEASE, UM, FORWARD THIS WITH AN APPROVAL, UH, TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT STAGE. OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, GEORGE SALIBA, UM, SO DOES, SO IF WE, SO, SO THE, I GUESS THE DIRECTION OR THE, THE POINT THAT THIS ALL OCCURS IS IF WE DIG UP A LINE OR A PLUMBER DIGS UP A SUPPLY LINE OR LINE INTO THE HOUSE WATERLINE, IF THERE IS LEAD, WE REPLACE IT AND NOTIFY YOU, BUT YET WE'RE STILL GONNA SWAP TEST EVEN IF IT'S NOT PRE 1986 COPPER AND YES. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CUSTOMER? ARE THEY THEN UNDER THE BURDEN TO REPLACE THAT SERVICE LINE ALL THE WAY? OR IS THAT SAWS, UM, SAWS WOULD REPLACE IT? UM, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO AN AREA WE WOULD, WE WOULD, YEAH, WE'RE, WE WOULD WANT TO REPLACE IT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IMMEDIATELY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, BUT OUR GOAL IS TO GO AHEAD AND GET IN THERE AND REPLACE IT. UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THE COST OF THE CUSTOMER. UM, BUT UM, UH, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WHETHER IT'S LEAD OR NOT, IS THAT THEY DO THAT SWAB TEST OR THAT TESTING AND GET THE DOCUMENTATION SO THAT WE CAN SHOW T C Q AT THIS RESIDENCE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OR WE DID NOT HAVE LEAD. AND IF IT WAS LEAD THAT IT WAS EVENTUALLY REMOVED, SPENCER RAMSELL, UH, THE COST TO THE HOMEOWNER, IS THAT GONNA BE ALLOCATED OUT TO LIKE A THIRD PARTY OR ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING ON DOING THE, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WATER SERVICE AS WELL? AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. WHAT IF THEY REFUSE? UM, YEAH, YOU WANT TO HELP ON THIS. THIS IS ED GUZMAN FROM OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S HELPING ME WITH THIS. I ASK THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS ON THIS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND IT'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL. I CAN TELL YOU FROM JUST RECENTLY A WATER SERVICE I REPLACED YOUR, IT WAS CLOSE TO 25 $3,000 WHEN IT WAS ALL SAID AND DONE. SO IT'S QUITE A BIT. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO FIGURE OUT IS THAT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, UH, LETTING COPPER RULE. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE E P A FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. UM, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA COME OUT IN THIS FORM 'CAUSE THERE WAS, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN FOUR LAWSUITS FILED ABOUT THIS VERSION OF, OF THIS, UH, THIS LAW BEFORE IT EVEN BECAME EFFECTIVE. BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND ROLLED IT OUT AND SAID, WELL, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. WE'RE GONNA FIX IT IN THREE YEARS, SO THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER CHANGE TO THIS IN THREE YEARS. SO WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH IT NOW. UM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU, YOU HEAR A LITTLE BIT OF THE SORT OF TENTATIVE ANSWERS THAT, THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU. UM, WHEN, UH, A HOMEOWNER IS TOLD THAT THERE IS LEAD IN THAT SERVICE LINE, THE IDEA IS YOU GIVE THEM THE EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS, YOU GIVE 'EM THE PICTURE FILTERS OR FILTERS THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, PLUG INTO THEIR FAUCET. UM, AND THEY HAVE THAT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME DURING THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, THAT LINE NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, LOOK, SAW, YOU CAN REPLACE IT FOR US, BUT WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT AS A HOMEOWNER IF THEY CHOOSE TO REFUSE. WE JUST HAVE TO DOCUMENT THAT. WE HAVE TO SAY, WE OFFERED TO DO IT. WE PROVIDED THEM EVERYTHING UNDER THE LAW, AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT, THAT'S GONNA BE ON THEM. BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT THAT WE WENT THROUGH ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT THE 11 COPPER RULE TELLS US WE HAVE TO DO TO GET TO THAT POINT. UM, BUT IT, IT RAISES THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE. HOW DO YOU BUDGET THAT IN AND HOW DO YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE? UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, YEAH, THAT'S SPENCER RAM AGAIN, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER YOU'VE GOT HOUSES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE ADDED WATER SOFTENERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE GOT, I MEAN, TO PRICE OUT A WATER SERVICE, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, GETTING INTO IT, THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES TO IT, I GUESS TO IT THAT CAN AFFECT THE COST OF IT THERE. YEAH. WELL, AND AS YOU'VE INDICATED, AND AS SCOTT HAS, HAS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT DATES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE SOME AREAS WHERE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS GONE [00:20:01] IN POST 87, 89, 20 14, UH, WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO KIND OF SAY, OKAY, WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THIS AREA AS MUCH, BUT ANY OF THOSE AREAS BEFORE THAT IT'S GONNA REQUIRE US TO DO THIS INVENTORY. AND IT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T JUST, UH, WELL WE, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT THIS ISN'T LED. THIS IS ONE WHERE WE HAVE TO GO IN AND FIND AN ACTUAL DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WE HAVE RECORD THAT THIS LATERAL WENT IN AND IT WAS COPPER AND THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS THERE. WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ENOUGH FOR T C Q, WE DON'T KNOW. 'CAUSE T C Q IS STILL DEVELOPING THEIR RULES TO TELL US HOW WE NEED TO DO THIS. SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT SPENCER UP AGAIN. YEAH. ON THE T C E Q REPORTS, THEY REQUIRE THAT TO, TO NAME THE MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE USING ON THE WATER SERVICES. SO MM-HMM. , ALL THAT'S DOCUMENTED, WHETHER IT'S P V C COPPER YEAH. ANY TYPE OF MATERIAL ON THEIR LIST. AND AGAIN, WITH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE REQUIRED, UM, FOR THE SAW SERVICES. YEAH, THE, THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, AND SOME OF THE STUFF WHERE THAT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED WITH P C E Q WHERE WE WERE USING THAT FORM. I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE CLEAR OF THAT. UH, THE QUESTION WILL BE THOSE, ANY OF THAT CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS PRE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU TALK TO UP THERE, 20 14, 19 87, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. SO THOSE MORE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS WITH, YOU KNOW, OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME OF THIS MORE INTENSIVE INVESTIGATION. AND THAT'S WHERE THIS COMES IN, IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE LESS DISRUPTIVE TO THE HOMEOWNER IF THEY'RE HAVING SOMEONE OUT TO HAVE WORK DONE AT THEIR HOUSE TO HAVE SOMEBODY DO A SWAB TEST AND MAYBE TAKE A PICTURE OF THE LINE AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, IT'S COPPER. WE DID THE SWAB TEST. IT DOESN'T TEST FOR ANY PRESENCE OF LEAD. THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH. WE HOPE FOR T C Q TO SAY, OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN MARKET THE NON-LEAD PART OF YOUR INVENTORY. UH, AND THAT WAY WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE ON AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S OUR WHOLE TEAM OF PEOPLE WITH THEIR DIGGING MATERIAL SAYING, OKAY, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START POTHOLING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SERVICE LINE IS MADE OUT OF. SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, I THINK BENEFICIAL FOR SAUCE, BUT ALSO BENEFICIAL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE LESS INTRUSIVE. UH, GEORGE LEYA. SO IS THIS TEST AND, AND THE FILLING OUT OF THE DOCUMENT, IS THAT ONE OF THE C S I W SS P S UH, TEST? OR IS ANY PLUMBER GONNA BE ABLE TO SWAB, TEST AND DOCUMENT? I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY LOOKED AT IT TO TO TO THAT EXTENT YET. I, I THINK SO LONG AS WE CAN GET SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION AND IT'S DONE IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY THAT T C Q WILL ACCEPT, I DON'T THINK WE WILL REQUIRE THAT IT BE AT A CERTAIN CERTIFICATION OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK SO LONG AS WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE RIGHT DOCUMENTATION, I, I THINK WE'LL BE FINE BECAUSE WHEN SAUCE GOES OUT, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE CERTIFIED PLUMBERS GOING OUT TO, TO DO THIS TEST. WE'RE GONNA HAVE CONTRACTORS MORE THAN LIKELY DOING A LOT OF THIS. I WILL, I WILL, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE PEOPLE WE SEND OUT TO DO IT. GOTTA DO OR ARE YOU GONNA BRING IT UP LATER AS WE APPROACH THAT OR YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH IT NOW? WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW. IF WE WOULD, UM, UH, PROPOSE THIS AMENDMENT, LET'S SAY TO CHAPTER SIX, UH, FOR WATER SUPPLY AND DISTRIBUTION IN THE GENERAL SECTION, UM, WE COULD ADD LIKE A 6 0 1 0.6 TO OUR AMENDMENTS. IT'S NOT ON THE LIST THERE, GEORGE, HIS, UM, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, SAUL'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE IT ON OUR LIST, BUT WE CAN BRING UP THE, IF YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR CODE BOOK OR WE CAN BRING UP THE 2021 I P C AND, AND MAYBE PROPOSE IT IN THAT SECTION OF A GENERAL, AND I THINK THEY DID, UH, TAKE A SHOT AT SOME LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN BRING BACK UP AS WELL. BRING THAT LAST SLIDE. CAN WE BRING THE 2021 UP AND MOVE IT OVER, MAYBE SEE IF THAT'S GEORGE OLIVA. SO THIS, THIS, UH, LANGUAGE ISN'T IN PART OF OUR, OUR OUR ONE OF THESE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. WHAT WE HAVE HERE ON THE SPREADSHEETS IS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH SAID IT'S GONNA BE IN SECTION 600. IS THAT WHAT IT'S, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY, UM, THE BEST LOCATION. WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING UP THE 2021 RIGHT NOW. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT ELSE IS IN THIS SECTION. [00:25:10] I HAD A QUESTION, JILL ELSE FOR SAS, ARE YOU RESEARCHING FOR THE ORIGINAL PLUMBERS ON THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS? WE'VE, WE HAVE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF PLUMBERS ABOUT WHETHER THEY WOULD KEEP OLD RECORDS AND WE ARE TOLD THAT IT'S REALLY NOT LIKELY THAT PLUMBERS HELD ONTO RECORDS FROM SEVENTIES, EIGHTIES, SO FORTH. UM, I KNOW THAT ALSO WE'VE TALKED, UH, THROUGH, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASKING IF BY ANY CHANCE THEY STORED ANY OF THEIR OLD RECORDS FOR PLUMBING, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE SUCH A VOLUME THAT THAT'S REALLY AN IMPOSSIBILITY FOR THEM TO DO. SO THAT'S WHY WHILE WE HAVE TAP RECORDS FOR THIS, A LOT OF THE SERVICE LATERALS TO THE METER, UM, AFTER THE METER, WE, WE REALLY LACK A LOT OF THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTS. WHO'S GONNA STORE THESE RECORDS? IS IT GONNA BE THROUGH THE T C E Q OR IS IT GONNA BE THROUGH SAWS? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE DOING THESE INSPECTIONS ON EVERY HOUSE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE T C E Q'S NOT KEEPING THEM, OR YOU'RE HAVING THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND GET THEM THROUGH THEM. SO IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR DIVISION, HOW ARE YOU GUYS GONNA BE MAINTAINING THEIR DIVISION FOR THEM? YEAH, IT MAKES NO SENSE. WE WILL HAVE, SO I'M KIND OF NOT, I'M NOT FOR THIS. IF, IF WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS, WE'RE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A PROCEDURE ON EVERY NEW CONSTRUCTION HOUSE OUT THERE ON THE INSPECTION. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT THE C S I INSPECTION, AM I CORRECT? WHENEVER SOMEONE'S GOING INTO A, INTO A, A NEW BUILDING OR RESIDENCE, CORRECT? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR WATER PROTECTION. I Y WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE MATERIALS. WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ANY, ANY, UH, CROSS CONNECTIONS, YOU'RE CHECKING FOR LEAD AND SO FORTH. THE ISSUE IS THAT THOSE RECORDS ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO BE KEPT FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, THROUGH T C E Q. AND SO A LOT OF THOSE RECORDS ARE NOW GONE. WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT INSPECTION QUALIFY I GUESS, FOR THE MANDATE THAT YOU'RE ASKING HERE? WOULD THAT BE A SUBSTANTIAL INSPECTION IF THAT, IF THAT PAPERWORK'S FILLED OUT, BUT NOW I GUESS ONCE IT GETS TURNED INTO THEM AS WELL AS SAWS YEAH, ANY OF ANY OF THOSE RECORDS, IT WOULD STILL BE IN EXISTENCE, ARE STILL HELD BY T C Q WOULD STILL BE VALID AND COULD BE USED. THE THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE DATE RANGE GOES BACK IS THAT THE RETENTION SCHEDULES FOR, FOR GOVERNMENT RECORDS IS GOES FROM TWO YEARS TO PERPETUITY, BUT FOR THOSE RECORDS, IT'S FIVE TO 10 YEARS THAT THEY GET KEPT. AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE RECORDS GET PURGED SO THAT THEY MAKE ROOM FOR MORE OF THOSE RECORDS COMING IN. SO WE ONLY GO BACK TO MAYBE 2010 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PRE, YOU KNOW, 2014. SO THERE AREN'T RECORDS THAT T C Q HAS THAT GO BACK FAR ENOUGH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE THEIR RECORDS, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE END UP RUNNING INTO, IS THAT IF THOSE RECORDS HAVE BEEN KEPT FAR ENOUGH BACK, WE'D BE ABLE TO USE THOSE. BUT WE CAN'T, SAWS DOES HAVE RECORDS THAT GO BACK FURTHER WHERE WE HAVE LOOKED AT ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION WE HAVE THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE, THE LATERALS THAT HAVE BEEN WORKED ON AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS. AND WE'RE USING THOSE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE THAT, THAT ARE SORT OF HISTORICAL RECORDS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE JUST AREN'T RECORDS KEPT IN ENOUGH QUANTITY FOR ENOUGH OF A PERIOD OF TIME FOR IT TO BE USEFUL TO US. THE THE RECORDS YOU'RE PROVIDING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE GOING FORWARD ARE GREAT BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA ELIMINATE ANYTHING WHERE THAT KIND OF RECORD HAS BEEN DONE GOING FORWARD. BUT IT DOESN'T HELP US GOING FAR ENOUGH BACK IF, IF THAT KIND OF HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO YOU'RE REALLY, I MEAN, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THIS INTO A CODE MOVING FORWARD, I GUESS MM-HMM. , AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT FROM 1987 TO 2010. IF WE'RE DOING THAT PROCESS NOW AND YOU KNOW, SINCE THEN THE INUNDATION OF COMPUTERS AND BEING ABLE TO FILE STUFF INFINITELY ON A COMPUTER SYSTEM, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THOSE FILES NOW BECAUSE I KNOW THE ONES THAT WE SEND OFF ARE ALL DONE TRANSMITTED THROUGH SURE. COMPUTER FILE A P D F FILE THAT THEY CAN KEEP. YEAH, NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. AND AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY RECORDS IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW FOR PRE 2014 THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, OTHER THAN THE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT INVENTORY OURSELVES. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT WILL HELP US DO THAT. UM, SO, AND, AND TRUST ME, THESE WILL BE KEPT ELECTRONICALLY. THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA SCAN THESE THINGS UP, WE'RE GONNA SEND 'EM UP TO, TO T C E Q AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP COPIES. SO WITHIN T [00:30:01] C E Q PURCHASE THEIR RECORDS, WE'RE GONNA SAY UHUH, NO, WE STILL HAVE OUR RECORDS. SO WE'RE GONNA BACKSTOP THIS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS FOREVER, BUT WITHIN THREE YEARS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER AN INVENTORY AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST HOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT. THERE, THERE AREN'T RECORDS GOING BACK FAR ENOUGH FOR, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON T C E Q RECORDS AND THERE ISN'T A SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH BLOCK OF RECORDS FROM SAWS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS EITHER. THIS IS GONNA BE A BOOTS ON THE GROUND EFFORT, UH, AND, UH, NEITHER E P A NOR T C E Q SET ASIDE FUNDING FOR ANY OF THIS. THEY HAVEN'T SET OUT SPECIFIC PARAMETERS FOR HOW IT'S GONNA BE DONE. SO THIS IS REALLY UP TO SAUCE TO FIGURE OUT, UH, THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS, THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO THIS, AND, AND SORT OF THE, THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS SO THAT EACH OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS ISN'T GONNA FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING INUNDATED WITH PEOPLE COMING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND CAN GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY FOR A PROPERTY OWNER, THAT'S A WIN FOR EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THIS IS JUST A GOOD SIMPLE WAY TO DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO, TO SEND OUT AN ARMY OF PEOPLE TO EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU'RE ABLE TO JUST NOT PEOPLE OFF A LIST AND NARROW THAT LIST DOWN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FROM THE START. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS, UH, SPENCER RAMSDALE AGAIN, I GUESS MOVING FORWARD, I, I THINK THIS IS DOABLE. AS LONG AS THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE UH, C S I INSPECTION WOULD BE ALLOWED 'CAUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING AND REQUIRED THROUGH THE WATER PROTECTION SPECIALIST, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING TO SUBMIT THAT IF THAT LETTER WOULD BE ALLOWED INTO IT, I THINK THAT WE'D BE DOING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE DOING NOW. THAT'S REQUIRED NOW. YEAH. YEAH. THE WAY I'M HEARING IT IS, UH, GEORGE SALIVA, UH, THE WAY I'M HEARING IT IS BASICALLY IT'S, IT'S BEING PERFORMED OR THESE TESTS ARE BEING PERFORMED ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT'S THE OLDER ESTABLISHED HOMES THAT THEY HAVE NO DATA ON. SO THE REPAIR GUYS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE BURDENED TO TEST THAT COPPER WHEN THEY EXPOSE IT. YEAH. AND, AND I'LL POINT OUT, SO THE, THE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT, THAT YOU SAW, LET ME JUST EMPHASIZE DRAFT , YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A FIRST ATTEMPT AT IT. AND SO WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THE C S I REPORT OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE BY T C E Q AND THAT WILL, I THINK, ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M THINKING OF THE NEW TRUCTURE. YEAH, THE NEW CON. THIS IS CODE GOING INTO SOMETHING FORWARD. YEAH. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT, IT, IT IS, IT IS GOING FORWARD, BUT THIS IS LOOKING AT PAST CONSTRUCTION, SO I THINK WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENTIATION IN THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, IF YOU FOLLOW T C Q STANDARDS AND YOU DOCUMENT VIA T C Q APPROVED FORMS THAT THERE IS NO LEAD PRESENT. IT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO SAMPLING OR SOMETHING ON THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE LEAD NOW. YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NON-ISSUE NOW. SO THE C S I REPORT IS GONNA SAY THERE'S NO LEAD BECAUSE IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT. SO I THINK THAT'S A SIMPLE FIX. WE CAN PUT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT MAKES THAT CLEAR. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO SORT OF ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. THE OTHER THING ALSO IS WE CAN TALK ABOUT LIKE, DO WE NEED TO PUT TIME A TIMEFRAME FOR WHEN THAT DOCUMENTATION NEEDS TO BE SENT TO SAWS OR HOW SAWS IS GONNA COLLECT IT OR KEEP IT? ANY OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED IN THE LANGUAGE. I THINK THE GENERAL CONCEPT IS WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD AND GOT A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT TODAY. AND I THINK ON NEW HOMES THEY WON'T RELEASE THE SAWS, YOU KNOW, TO THE METER OR TO THE, TO THE HOMEOWNER THE SERVICE UNTIL THEY GET THAT REPORT BACK. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. SO YEAH. YEAH. AND SO THAT'S THE THING IS, SO, SO FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, I THINK THAT REPORT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT DATES IN THERE. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE 2014 DATE THAT, THAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT IF WE PUT A DATE IN THERE. AND IF WE DO THAT, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD KIND OF ELIMINATE THAT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION OR NEW HOMES, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE POST 2014 YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO A SWAB TEST. YOU KNOW, SO EVEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT BE A SIMPLE FIX THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD HELP YOU KIND OF THINK ABOUT, OKAY, I NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT WHEN I'M WORKING ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT'S NOT AN ADDED COST OR AN ADDED BIT OF WORK I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORKABLE THERE. YEAH, Y'ALL COULD DO THAT. PUT THAT IN THE LANGUAGE. YEAH. SO SHALL WE GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT HIS, UH, PROPOSALS? I SECOND IT. WELL, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL NEED A MOTION FROM ROBERT OR JOE, UM, IN A SECOND. UH, AND THEN YOU'LL ASK FOR ANY DISCUSSION, GEORGE. OKAY. THEN I'LL REPHRASE IT. UH, I'LL NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. THIS IS ROBERT JONES. UH, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO UH, ACCEPT THIS AMENDMENT. [00:35:02] JOE, YOU WANNA, I'LL SECOND IT. I THINK SPENCER, SINCE YOU ARE GEORGE'S, UM, ALTERNATE, I THINK JOE WILL HAVE TO SECOND THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T FEEL THE PROPOSAL IS COMPLETED THIS TIME. OKAY. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION. SO I RECOMMEND THAT STAFF, UM, WORK WITH SAWS TO BRING BACK, UH, A PROPOSAL. THERE MAY BE AN EVEN BETTER SECTION. UH, MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON THE LANGUAGE, SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, UH, PALATABLE AND, AND BRING IT BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, IN, IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANOTHER, UM, OKAY. GOOD MORNING MEMBERS. GOOD MORNING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MY NAME IS ANDREW RIC. I'M A MANAGER AT THE RESOURCE PROTECTION COMPLIANCE DEPARTMENT FOR THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM. I'M HERE BRINGING FORWARD, UM, A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THE PLUMBING CODE REGARDING, UH, RESULTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENT THAT WAS CONDUCTED LAST YEAR AFTER WINTER STORM URI. WE HAD AN INDEPENDENT, UH, ASSESSMENT CONDUCTED THAT REVIEWED DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF WHAT WAS, UM, WHAT OCCURRED DURING THE WINTER STORM AND POST, UH, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE EMER EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND, UM, THEY ESSENTIALLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE REGARDING THE EXTENDED LOW TEMPERATURES THAT AFFECTED A LOT OF THE PLUMBING HERE IN TOWN. UH, THE FINDINGS WERE THAT THEY WERE NOT CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE COLD OR WEATHER, WHICH WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS A PRETTY SERIOUS EVENT AND THEY WERE REQUESTING US TO GET WITH, UM, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO LOOK AT SOME MODIFICATIONS FOR DIFFERENT CODES. UH, THEY RESULTED FROM HELPING ALLEVIATE ISSUES RELATED TO EXCESSIVE WATER LOSS, ALONG WITH SOME EXTRA PREVENTIONS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO HELP THE CUSTOMERS AND HELP US BETTER PROTECT THE WATER SYSTEM. EXCELLENT. ONE OF THE FIRST SECTIONS THAT WE UH, REVIEWED WERE THE PROTECTION OF BACKFLOW ASSEMBLIES. WE HAD A SHARP INCREASE OF FAILURES DUE TO BREAKAGE OVER THE LAST, UH, YEAR DUE TO THE WINTER STORM. AND ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD WAS REQUIRING THAT THEY HAVE, UH, WINTERIZATION OR PROTECTION ON THOSE ASSEMBLIES TO HELP PREVENT FREEZING. UH, SOME LOCATIONS DO HAVE PARTICULAR HOUSING OR INSULATION ON THEM YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN BEFORE, WHERE THEY HAVE THE NICE STAINLESS STEEL METAL WRAPS AND WET AROUND, WHICH DID PROVIDE SOME PROTECTION. SOME OTHER AREAS HAVE COMPLETE ENCLOSED CLOSURES, HOT BOXES OR WHATNOT, OR THEY HAVE THE, THE BAGS THAT YOU CAN PLACE OVER SOME OF THE SMALLER RPS. AND THESE ARE FOR ASSEMBLIES THAT ARE EXPOSED ABOVE GRADE THAT ARE EXPOSED TO THE WEATHER. I KNOW RECENTLY THERE WAS A REPAIR DONE RIGHT BY THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO AND THEY FIX THE ASSEMBLY AND THEY PUT ONE OF THE, UH, INSULATED BAG COVERS OVER IT. SO IT HELPS PROTECT IT FOR DURING THE COLD WEATHER. UM, THERE'S SPECIFIC CODE WITHIN I P C THAT REFERS TO THE, UH, ANSI 10 60 SPECIFICATION, WHICH IT MEETS A CERTAIN SPECIFICATION FOR THAT PROTECTION. AND UM, ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT CODE TO HELP FOR, FOR WINTERIZATION WOULD BE, UM, AN ENCLOSED FIRE RISER ROOMS OR STORAGE AREAS FOR ASSEMBLIES THAT THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF CLIMATE CONTROL IF THEY'RE NOT INSULATED OR NOT ATTACHED TO A CLIMATE CONTROLLED STRUCTURE. UH, ON THE PHOTOS HERE YOU SEE THE SEVERAL TYPES OF THE PROTECTIONS ON TOP ON THE LOWER, UM, RIGHT. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A HEATER THAT WAS INSTALLED IN ONE OF THE RISER ROOMS THAT HAD POWER TO HELP KEEP 'EM WARM. UM, ON THE LOWER LEFT WAS ACTUALLY A FIRE LINE SUPPLY THAT ACTUALLY FROZE AND THEY HAD TO STRAIGHT PIPE IT. WELL, AT THAT POINT WHEN THEY STRAIGHT PIPE IT, 'CAUSE THEY NEEDED, THEY NEEDED WATER PROTECTION FOR FIRE. THERE WAS NO PROTECTION AT THAT TIME. WE WERE FOLLOWING UP ON THESE LAST YEAR, ENSURE THEY ALL GOT REPLACED AND PUT BACK INTO SERVICE PROPERLY AND THEY DID. IT'S JUST THAT TO PREVENT THAT POTENTIAL TIMEFRAME OF NOT BEING PROTECTED, FREEZING, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE PROTECTION NOW FOR THE INSULATION. BUT, UM, IF WE COULD HAVE THEM REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF INSULATION OR HOUSING OR SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP PREVENT THAT KIND OF SITUATION IN THE FUTURE. NEXT ONE. THE SECOND SECTION THAT WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, SOME OF THE COSA STAFF WAS REGARDING INSULATION OF PIPING. THIS, THIS PORTION, THIS PORTION OF THE WORDING WAS OUT OF THE ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE, BUT IT WAS ALSO, [00:40:01] WE WERE LOOKING AT IF THERE WAS A POTENTIAL, IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, THE COLD WATER PIPING INSULATED AS WELL AS THE HOT WATER PIPING. THERE WAS SEVERAL LARGE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT, UM, THAT THE WATER LINES FROZE AND RUPTURED. UH, WE HAD A LOT OF WATER LOSS AND AT THAT TIME, DURING THAT STORM, POST-STORM WHERE EVERYBODY WAS WARMING UP, THERE WAS A LOT OF TIMES WHERE SAW STAFF WAS OUT GOING OFF TURNING OFF WATER METERS 'CAUSE THERE WAS JUST WATER RAIN DOWN THE STREET. IF WE COULD HELP PROVIDE THAT ADDITIONAL PROTECTION WITHIN THOSE STRUCTURES AND HAVING THAT MAYBE THAT COLD WATER PIPING INSULATED THAT COULD HELP MAYBE PREVENT THAT EXTRA DAMAGE OR LOSS. THE THIRD PORTION THAT WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THEM, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT CAME OFF OF THE, UH, ASSESSMENT, WAS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ON THE LOW TEMPERATURE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT COME OFF OF THE APPENDIX D AND I P C. AND THIS RELATES TO, UM, THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS RATED AT THE 30 DEGREE LEVEL FOR THE OVERALL TEMPERATURE OF 90, WHAT'S IT AT? 97.5%. I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE YOU WOULD HAVE DURING A WINTER TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'LL AVERAGE MAYBE THE LOWEST TEMPERATURE AROUND 30. WHEN WE HAD THIS LAST STORM, IT WAS ABOUT 20 DEGREES BELOW THAT. SO THE QUESTION WAS WOULD THERE BE A, A DISCUSSION ON POTENTIALLY LOWERING THAT LEVEL, MAKE AN AMENDMENT FROM 30 DEGREES TO A LOWER TEMPERATURE THAT MIGHT PROVIDE MORE PROTECTION AGAINST FREEZING. IT WAS A DISCUSSION WE HAD. WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO COMMITTEE JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF A DISCUSSION WE COULD HAVE OFF OF THAT TOPIC. WOULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT TRYING TO DO? I KNOW IT COULD AFFECT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CODES OR WE JUST SAY MAYBE THIS AFFECTS THE PLUMBING CODE PORTION. IT'S UP TO, UM, THE DISCUSSION WITH CITY STAFF WAS WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO COMMITTEE TO SEE WHAT Y'ALL HAD TO SAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GEORGE SALIVA. SO YOUR SECOND REPRESENTATION WAS A PICTURE OF PEX. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PECKS FROZE AND ACTUALLY BURST? UH, I BELIEVE THOSE WERE JUST A, A GENERIC PHOTO THAT THEY USED FOR THE INSTALLATION. IF THEY'RE RATED TO HANDLE THE TEMPERATURES THAT THEY HAVE AND MEET THE CODE FOR IT. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD AS MUCH FREEZING WITH PEX. 'CAUSE THEY FLEX ALLOWS IT, IT'S PROBABLY MORE RELATED TO IF THERE'S MAYBE A REMODEL OR SOMETHING WITH THAT PIPING TO HELP PROTECT THAT PREVENTION. SECOND QUESTION. UH, GEORGE SLIVA, IF UH, WE LOSE POWER AND WE CAN'T MOVE WATER AND WE CAN'T GENERATE ANY KIND OF AMBIENT HEAT, HOW IS INSULATION GONNA ACTUALLY HELP THAT MUCH? THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS WELL. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WHAT WE COULD TRY TO DO TO HELP PROTECT THE WATER SUPPLY WAS WET EXTRA STEPS WE COULD TO HELP MAYBE POTENTIALLY PREVENT THAT. IT MAY NOT BE A FIVE DAY FREEZE PERIOD, MAYBE IT'S A TWO DAY THAT IT COULD HELP IT FROM FREEZING OR BREAKING, UH, THAT LAST FREEZE. MOST OF OUR STUFF WAS, UH, PIPING THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN WEIRD SITUATIONS AFTER THE HOUSE HAD BEEN BUILT. UH, UNINSULATED IN EAVES, UH, EXPOSED PIPING WAS JUST DECIMATED. I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD PROTECT THINGS LIKE THAT IF WE STILL AGAIN, LOSE POWER AND CAN'T MOVE WATER. AND, AND THAT IS A CONCERN. I KNOW THERE'S STEPS HAVE BEEN PLACED THROUGH THAT ASSESSMENT AS WELL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PROTECTIVE MEASURES IN DIFFERENT STAGES. THAT'S AT A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT AND DIFFERENT SECTION OF SOLVES, BUT THEY ARE TASKED WITH LOOKING AT ALL THOSE ITEMS. I KNOW THEY'RE REVIEWING EVERYTHING WITHIN THAT ASSESSMENT AND A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA BE ADDRESSED AND GOING FORWARD TO HELP PREVENT THIS TYPE OF, UH, INCIDENT FROM OCCURRING. UM, THE ONE THING YOU TALKED ABOUT EXPOSED, UH, PIPING AND CRAWLSPACES AND AREAS TOO. THAT WAS ONE SECTION ALSO THAT I DID NOT MENTION WAS IF THEY COULD HAVE THAT PIPING THAT IT WAS STRAPPED CLOSER TO INSULATED AREAS OR PUT IN PLACES WHERE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY EXPOSED, UM, NOT JUST OVER THROUGH THE, UM, STRAPPED UP TO THE RAFTERS, BUT NOW MAYBE TO MORE OF THE CLIMATE CONTROLLED SPACES TO HELP GIVE IT THAT LITTLE BIT EXTRA OF TEMPERATURE CONTROL TO HELP PEOPLE PREVENT IT FROM FREEZING. UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE EXPOSED LIKE THE HOSE BIBS OR WHATNOT ON EXTERIOR PARTS OR HOMES THAT MAY NOT BE INSULATED THAT WOULD FREEZE. UH, I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHAT A COMPONENT OF THAT TEMPERATURE RANGE, SINCE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS WITHIN THAT 30 DEGREE TEMPERATURE RANGE OFF OF THE APPENDIX D, IF YOU BRING IT TO A LOWER TEMPERATURE, THAT ALSO REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE OTHER MEASURES TAKEN IN PLACE ON WHERE THAT PIPING IS INSTALLED. SPENCER RAMS UP, I KNOW WITHIN NEW CONSTRUCTION THEY'RE REQUIRE AN IN, UH, IN THE INSULATED AREAS OF THE HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT ALL YOUR HOT WATER INSULATED. UH, THE COLD LINES CURRENTLY AREN'T REQUIRED EXCEPT FOR IN SPOTS LIKE THE GARAGE OR EXTERIOR WALLS. ALL THAT HAS HAS [00:45:01] TO BE INSULATED RIGHT NOW. SO HOSE BIBS ARE BEING INSULATED AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH GEORGE ON THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN DO AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE THERE. OKAY. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO RE REINFORCE WITH THAT PART. IF THERE'S OTHER AREAS, MAYBE UP IN THE ATTIC SPACES OR AREAS THAT ARE MAYBE EXPOSED, MAYBE NOT NEAR, UM, THE INSULATED PORTION WALLS OR INTERIOR WALLS. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF HOUSES NOW THAT HAVE FOAM BLOWN IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOAM INSULATED TOO THAT ARE COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY SECURE OF THAT ISSUE AT THAT POINT. NO, THE BLOWN INSULATION IN THE ATTICS. WELL, YEAH, OR JUST THE FOAM INSULATION TOO. THE FOAM INSULATION ITSELF. YEAH, IT'S AIRTIGHT. AND IF, UM, THOSE ARE STANDARDS OR SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, THOSE ARE OPTIONAL, UM, STANDARDS OR SOMETHING WE COULD PUT IN PLACE THAT WE AT LEAST WE ENSURE THAT THERE IS THAT EXTRA INSTALLATION. YEAH, I KNOW IN THE ATTICS TOO, IF IT'S ABOVE THE INSULATION NOW THESE WATER LINES HAVE TO BE IN THE INSULATION. IF THEY'RE LIKE A FOOT ABOVE IT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE INSULATED AS WELL. NOW ALL THE COLD WATER LINES. YES, SIR. OKAY. ARE THEY STILL BUNDLING? CAN YOU BUNDLE YOUR PECS? YEAH, THEY BUNDLE IT A LOT OF TIMES. SOMETIMES IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE APPLICATION AND WHERE IT'S GOING IN THE AB AND, UM, THESE WERE, UH, OFF OF THE, UH, ASSESSMENT THAT WE RECEIVED. THEY WERE MAINLY TO HAVE US HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY TO ENSURE WHAT, WHAT, UM, PROTOCOLS ARE IN PLACE AND WHAT STAGES OF, UH, CODES THAT ARE THEY ADEQUATE ENOUGH OR NOT. AND IF THEY ARE, UM, WE WERE, WE'RE, UM, TASKED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THESE THINGS FORWARD. AND WITH CLARITY ON SOME OF THE COLD WATER PLUMBING PORTIONS OF THAT. SINCE WE ARE ON THE SOLID SIDE, WE DO GO FROM THE METER TO THE, TO THE, TO THE MAIN, THE INTERIOR PORTIONS OF SOME PLACES. WE STILL PROBABLY NEEDED SOME ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. SO, UH, GEORGE SLE, I NOTICED ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT Y'ALL WERE GOING TO PRESENT, AND I DON'T SEE IT YET TODAY, IS RELOCATION OR MAYBE SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE PLUMBING ON EXTERIOR WALLS. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS ON SOME OF THAT PLUMBING, IF IT'S NOT, UM, INSULATED OR WHATNOT FOR THAT PROTECTIVE MEASURE, I THINK WITH DISCUSSIONS FROM WE HAD WITH THE CITY IS THAT THOSE AREAS ARE TYPICALLY ARE INSULATED AND THEY ARE PROTECTED. SO, UM, I THINK THIS WAS MORE OF A LET'S LOOK AT EVERYTHING TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN HELP IMPROVE. IF THERE'S SPACES WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE, LET'S TRY TO DO THAT SHOW THAT WE'RE DOING A PROACTIVE APPROACH ON IT TO TRY TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE WATER LOSS AND THESE, THIS, THESE ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. UM, IF THEY'RE FOUND TO BE AT THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE ADEQUATE, WELL THEN, WE'LL WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THOSE STEPS. GEORGE, LEAVE ABOUT THE ONLY THING THAT I, WHEN I WAS READING ALL THOSE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, CHANGES OR SUGGESTIONS TO THE CODE SAS HAD PRESENTED, THERE WERE THE ONLY ONE THAT I REALLY AGREED ON. , I THOUGHT WAS, WAS MORE APPLICABLE FOR SAVING ANY KIND OF DAMAGE, WOULD BE MOVING PLUMBING FROM EXTERIOR WALLS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. , I KNOW THE ENGINEERS AND THE ARCHITECTS, BUT, UH, AND DESIGNERS, BUT YET WE, ONCE WE GET ABOVE TEXAS, MOST OF THAT PLUMBING IS ON PERPENDICULAR WALLS, NEVER REALLY ON AN EXTERIOR WALL. AND I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE'S BEEN A, A SHIFT FROM BEFORE WHERE MOST OF THE PLUMBING WAS RAN THROUGH THE SLAB. NOW IT'S MOSTLY GOING OVERHEAD, SO THERE'S MORE EXPOSED PIPING NOW, BUT IT, IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR WHEN YOU DO HAVE ISSUES OR LEAKS. UM, AND I THINK THAT WITH THE CURRENT TYPE OF MATERIAL THEY, IT IS, IT IS MORE PROTECTIVE FROM FREEZE TO THE DUE TO THE ABILITY. AS LONG AS THEY RUN THE STRAIGHT RUNS AND HAVE THOSE POINTS, IT'S JUST WHEREVER THERE'S A WEAK POINT, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PROTECTED. MR. SPIT, UH, CHIEF MORALES, DO YOU GOT ANY INPUT AS FAR AS WHENEVER YOU GO, GO OUT TO DO INSPECTIONS WHILE YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR INSTALLATION WISE? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MIKE MORALES, CHIEF PLUMBING INSPECTOR. I'M WITH GEORGE ON THIS. AS LONG AS THE POWER IS KEPT ON THE WATER'S ON, UH, THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE. NO PROBLEM. WE DID SOME RESEARCH, RESEARCH, UH, WHAT THEY DID UP NORTH. THERE WASN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING IT FROM A 30 TO 2025 CLIMATE ON THAT DESIGN. UH, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT MOVING, UH, LINES, UH, FROM EXTERIOR WALLS AND INTERIOR WALLS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REAL PROBLEMS EXCEPT FOR THE FREEZE THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. AND AGAIN, WE CONTRIBUTE THAT TO THE LACK OF, UH, WELL NO POWER, NO WATER. SO AGAIN, THAT STANDING WATER, UH, THAT AMBIENT HEAT, UH, NOT WARMING THE HOUSE IS WHY WE'RE [00:50:01] TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY. SO NOT REALLY, NOT REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT WHAT FROZE OUT THERE WAS YOUR EXISTING HOMES, YOUR COPPER LINES, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT THE 90 PLUS PERCENT THAT THEY'RE USING PEX, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT I SAW LAST YEAR TOO. I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN ON A PATIO OR SOMEBODY DIDN'T HAVE SOMETHING INSULATED OUT ON THE OUTDOORS OF A HOUSE SOMEWHERE. UH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE JUST COME UP WITH YOUR PROPOSED VERBIAGE, UH, ON CHANGES AND LET US LOOK AT IT NEXT TIME. YES, WE'LL PREPARE THAT AND BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. THAT GOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK. OKAY, CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, AGAIN, I REALIZED THAT AS WE WERE TRYING TO GET UP THE POWERPOINT THAT WE DID NOT SPECIFY THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATION, UM, AVAILABLE IF ANYBODY NEEDS THAT. UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS SHOULD KNOW THAT MEETINGS BEING, UH, BROADCAST LIVE ALSO RECORDED WILL BE AVAILABLE, UM, BY TOMORROW FOR ENGLISH AND SPANISH. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PLAY THE, UM, THE VIDEO HERE THAT IDENTIFIES THAT WE HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATION AVAILABLE. OKAY, GOOD DEAL. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA PROPERLY, UM, AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HEARD FROM SASS, WE WERE TO VOTE TO ADD ANY NEW MEMBERS TO THE PLUMBING CODE COMMITTEE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY, UH, NEW MEMBERS TO POTENTIALLY VOTE ON. SO WE'LL GO [ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items  ] ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE TO DISCUSS THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE AND PROPOSE CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS. DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THAT? OKAY. I RECOMMEND THAT WE STILL TABLE THE ITEMS, UH, THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY TABLED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANTED TO DISCUSS IN THAT REGARD, THOSE WERE, UH, THOSE SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED ON YOUR HANDOUT AS A REVISIT. NEXT MEETING, ROBERT, DID THEY GIVE YOU A LIST OF ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT WERE TABLED FROM LAST YEAR OR LAST MONTH OR LAST WEEK? . . OKAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL PICK UP ON ITEM NUMBER 23. UH, SO WE GOT PA WE GOT THROUGH 22 LAST TIME. SO YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UM, A HANDOUT THAT HAD THE ASTERISK THERE IN THE NUMBER. WE WERE TRYING TO GET YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THOSE AHEAD OF TIME, THOSE ONES WITH THE ASTERISK. WE FELT THAT THOSE WERE, DIDN'T REALLY, UH, WARRANT MUCH DISCUSSION AND COULD POSSIBLY, UM, BE ON A CONSENT TO JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY RECOMMENDATION. UM, BUT IF THERE'S ANY THAT YOU GUYS WANNA DISCUSS OR IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE, WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE, UH, INDIVIDUALLY. DID YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE ITEM 23, 24, 25 FOR CURRENT CSSA AMENDMENTS. SO I RAN THROUGH 'EM LAST NIGHT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM. I WANTED TO, I'VE GOT MARKED THAT I WAS GONNA KEEP THOSE. YEAH, I RECOMMEND THAT, ESPECIALLY THE NON-WATER URINALS. THESE ARE GARBAGE . WELL, UH, [00:55:01] I KIND OF AGREED WITH THAT, THAT PORTION OF IT BECAUSE, UH, I, I TOO WOULD, WOULD THINK THAT EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE THEIR NON-WATER USE URINALS, AND, AND THE WATER HEATERS IN THE ATTIC. I AGREE WITH THAT. NOT HAVING THEM UNLESS THEY HAVE A WALK-IN ATTIC FOR IT AS WELL. POTENTIAL ISSUES THERE. ROBERT, JOE, DID YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE OR WE COULD BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THEM? ROBERT JONES, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH THESE. SO GEORGE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS AND I CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THOSE ONES THAT WE WERE, UM, RECOMMENDING ON POTENTIALLY A CONSENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH CITY RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, SO ITEM 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 32, 36, 38, 39, 41, 42, 43, 51, 52, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 64, 65, 66, 70 AND 71. THOSE ARE TYPICALLY OUR COSSA AMENDMENTS. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO KEEP THOSE AMENDMENTS. UM, SEVERAL OF 'EM ARE ON THE LIST TO REMOVE AND THERE'S AN EXPLANATION THERE IN THE AND SUMMARY OF THE CHANGE. UH, GEORGE LEYVA, I, UH, NUMBER 27, UM, I, UH, OPPOSE THE REMOVE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT. OKAY, GOOD POINT. UM, WE WERE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT FOR, UH, THAT SPECIFIES ELECTRIC WATER HEATER SHALL BE ELEVATED AT LEAST 18 INCHES ABOVE THE GARAGE FLOOR THAT'S IN THE FUEL GAS. SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE IT. UH, BUT YOU RECOMMEND TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT IN THE I P C SECTION. SO AGAIN, I STAND ON THE FACT THAT, UH, THE PLUMBERS IN THE FIELD ARE GONNA HAVE THEIR PLUMBING, THEIR I P C BOOK. UH, THE BURDEN OF CARRYING FOUR OR FIVE BOOKS ONTO A JOB TO DETERMINE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, IS, UH, A LITTLE EXCESSIVE. UH, SO ALSO ANOTHER POINT TO MAKE IS ON ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS. THE 70 FIVES REQUIRED, IF YOU READ IT, THEY'RE PLATTING THEY'RE, THEY'RE RATING ON THEM. YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN 18 INCH PLATFORM ON 'EM, SO IT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING OUT IN THE FIELD. SO, YOU KNOW, UH, WHICH ONE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? 27? OR YOU, YEAH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER HEATERS WITH THE 18 INCH PLATFORMS. 27, THE ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS. SHALL WE ELEVATED AT LEAST 18 IN THE GARAGE? OH, 20. I WAS LOOKING AT 26. OKAY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 26? NO, NO, NO, NO. I, I BROUGHT UP 27 I, I DUNNO WHY I GRABBED 26. WELL, I THINK YOU WERE RIGHT. 27 IS ABOUT THE ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS AND, AND IT, IT, UH, GOES ALONG WITH YOUR POINT THAT, UH, THAT PLUMBERS MAY NOT BE CARRYING THE FUEL GAS IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER BOOKS ON THE JOB SITE. SO, UH, GO AHEAD AND KEEP IT HERE IN THE I P C AREA. UM, SO IF YOU GUYS, UH, WOULD, BASICALLY OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE IT. SO YOU WOULD BASICALLY SAY THAT YOU DON'T AGREE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION IF THAT'S CROSS. OKAY. MIKE MORALES, IT WAS JUST SPELLED OUT THERE. I MEAN, IT'S FINE IF IT STAYS IN THERE OR NOT. UM, IN FACT, WE KIND OF LIKE IT BEING OUT THERE. UH, BUT THE WHOLE REASON IT'S SPELLED OUT, ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS SHALL BE PLACED ON AN 18 INCH STAND. UH, YOUR VAPOR RESISTANT WATER HEATERS DO NOT HAVE TO. SO AGAIN, WE'RE JUST DISTINGUISHING THE TWO FROM ELECTRIC TO GAS PRETTY MUCH GIVEN A YES NO. SO THE VERBIAGE IS THERE JUST TO, TO VERIFY. AND I'LL POINT OUT, AND I SAID 75, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 80. THE ELECTRICS ARE 80 GALLONS, THE GAS ARE 75, BUT THE 80 ELECTRICS ARE REQUIRED THROUGH MANUFACTURER TO BE ON A PLATFORM. SO THEY'RE, I'VE DONE THAT ON A COUPLE OF CUSTOM HOUSES WHERE WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AND RIP IT OUT AND THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION THEN PUT IT IN BECAUSE OF THE MANUFACTURER. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY CAUGHT BY ONE OF YOUR GUYS ON Y'ALL'S TEAM WITH THE CITY THERE, WHICH IS A GOOD EYE TO [01:00:01] CATCH THAT. SO HAVING THAT IN THERE IS NOT A BAD THING JUST TO KEEP EVERYBODY ON THE SAME LEVEL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT, IT, THAT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, THING. I AGREE TO GO THROUGH AND, UH, I AGREE ALSO. ANY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SO EXCEPT FOR NUMBER 27, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO, YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION THAT STATES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE IDENTIFIED ON CONSENT AND PREVIOUSLY LISTED MOVE FORWARD ON KEEPING THE AMENDMENT OR REMOVING OH, ON THIS ONE. NOT, NOT THIS ONE. YOU GUYS CLEARLY RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH REMOVING IT, BUT ON THE OTHER ONES, OR WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM, UH, LINE BY LINE. SORRY, I DIDN'T MARK ALL THE NUMBERS OF THE ONES YOU WANTED TO JUST REVIEW LAST. OKAY. WE JUST GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE. YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL GO QUICKLY THROUGH OR WE'LL GO AS FAST AS WE NEED TO. SO ITEM 23, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE, THIS AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS, UH, ALL OCCUPANCIES, NOT JUST RESTAURANTS TO PROVIDE DRINKING WATER IN CONTAINERS, UM, THE CODES AS A SUBSTITUTION. UH, THE CODE NOW SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE THREE OR IF THREE OR MORE DRINKING FOUNTAINS ARE REQUIRED, THEN YOU CAN DO THIS SUBSTITUTION. WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO UPDATE THE AMENDMENT TO TAKE OUT THAT THREE OR MORE, UM, AND STILL ALLOW A SUBSTITUTION, UH, FOR DRINKING FOUNTAINS AND, UH, WATER AND CONTAINERS. UH, THAT ALL LOOKS GOOD TO US AS FAR AS KEEPING THAT, THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY, GOOD DEAL. UM, ITEM NUMBER 24. IT'S A CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT FOR NON-WATER USING URINALS. SO OUR AMENDMENT REFERENCES THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UH, AND THIS IS DUE TO SANITATION ISSUES WITH NON-WATER URINALS. YOU GUYS RECOMMEND WE KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM FOR WATER NUMBER 25 WATER HEATERS INSTALLED IN ATTICS. SO WE REQUIRE A DOOR OPENING ON THE SAME LEVEL WHEN THERE'S A STORAGE TYPE WATER HEATER INSTALLED IN THE ATTIC. WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. UM, THE NEXT ITEM, 26. THIS IS FOR WATER HEATERS INSTALLED UNDER STAIRWAYS AND LANDINGS. SO OUR AMENDMENT, CURRENT AMENDMENT SPECIFIES THAT ONLY ELECTRIC WATER HEATERS MAY BE STORED UNDER STAIRS AND LANDINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE BRIEFLY LAST MEETING. THAT MAY BE, THIS WAS IN THE BUILDING CODE OR THE RESIDENTIAL CODE, AND IT'S NOT, UM, UH, THOSE CODES DO NOT PROHIBIT, UH, WATER HEATERS STORED UNDER STAIRS. SO THIS AMENDMENT, UH, WOULD BE GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT ONLY ELECTRIC TYPE COULD BE STORED UNDER STAIRS. YEAH, YOU'RE CORRECT. I COULD NOT FIND IT IN EITHER I R C OR I B C. OKAY. SO YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD, KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. YES. OKAY. AND WE DISCUSSED NUMBER 27. NUMBER 28. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT, UM, BECAUSE NOW MOST WATER HEATERS HAVE A COLD WATER DIP TUBE. AND REMOVING THIS STRIKE THROUGH THEN OFFERS ADDITIONAL OPTIONS. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION HERE TO ME IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MOST WATER HEATERS. MM-HMM. , UM, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR RIGHT NOW. MIKE, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS? THE ONES THAT WE LOOK TO, YOUR BRADFORD WHITES, UM, YOUR AOS, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THEM THAT WE SAW, UH, DID HAVE THAT TYPE OF DIP TUBE ON THEM. AGAIN, THIS IS ONLY FOR THOSE TYPE OF DIP TUBES. UH, YOUR TOP FED WATER HEATERS, UH, OMITTING THE VACUUM RELIEF. UH, THEY WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED ANYTIME THEY'RE ELEVATED ABOVE, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR AND ALSO BOTTOM FED WATER HEATERS. BUT THE ONES THAT WE DID LOOK INTO, UH, HAD THAT I ANTIS SIPHON ON IT. SO YOU'RE GONNA REDEFINE THAT THEN. AND YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY STATE THAT WATER HEATERS ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR ARE GONNA REQUIRE THE, THE VACUUM BREAKER. NO, THAT'S CODE. UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN CODE THAT THE VACUUM RELEASE ARE ALWAYS REQUIRED ABOVE, UH, THE HIGHEST FIXTURE, UH, PLUS BOTTOM FED WATER HEATERS. THIS ANTIS [01:05:01] SIPHON AMENDMENT WAS WRITTEN FOR ALL WATER HEATERS. HAVING IT. IT'S ALL GO, WE ALL ACCEPT. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD REMOVING THAT AMENDMENT NUMBER 29, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR DISCHARGE PIPING. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO KEEP OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT. AND, UM, SO WE HAVE A CURRENT AMENDMENT TO NUMBER FIVE AND SEVEN, AND WE'RE PROPO PROPOSING TO ADD A 15 TO READ UNION ON TEMPERATURE PRESSURE RELIEF VALVE SHALL BE PLACED WITHIN SIX INCHES OF THE VALVE FOR REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT. MIKE, YOU WANNA EXPAND ON THAT ONE? I ASSUME THIS IS LIKE FOR A GAS FIREPLACE OR NO, THE T N P, UH, THE T N P, UH, DISCHARGE FOR THE LONGEST TIME, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THAT UNION, UH, UNION ON THEIR UNION FLEX TO DISCONNECT. IF YOU EVER NEEDED TO REPLACE THE WATER HEATER, YOU BROKE THE UNION OR FLEX, OR IF YOU NEEDED TO REPLACE, UH, THE T N P, YOU BROKE THE UNION OR FLEX AND THEN HOOKED IT BACK, HOOKED IT BACK UP. WELL BE IT A HOMEOWNER, BE IT A PLUMBER, UH, THAT EITHER DOESN'T HAVE THE C P V C OR THE, OR THE COPPER TUBING, HE'S NOT GONNA, HE'S NOT GONNA HOOK IT UP AND JUST LEAVE IT DLE IN THERE. SO, UH, WE'VE COME ACROSS A LOT OF THAT. THERE IS A VAGUE, UM, INTERPRETATION OF THAT ON THE WATER HEATER SECTION, UH, FOR THE REMOVAL OF, BUT AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE ONE ON THERE. SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S PERFECT. SO THAT'S JUST STATING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FLEX ON IT OR A UNION BEFORE IT. YES, SIR. YOU GONNA DEFINE THAT, GONNA MAKE IT, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SAY UNION, OR ARE YOU GONNA DEFINE UNION OR QUICK DISCONNECT OR FLEXES ALLOW, WELL, A A FLEX IS A UNION. UM, UH, WE ALL KNOW THAT, BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE FOR OUR PLUMBERS IN THE FIELD UNION ON THE TEMPERATURE RELIEF. UH, WE COULD DO THAT, RIGHT? A UNION PARENTHESIS FLEX, UH, UH, OR YOU SAY UNION OR FLEX? UNION OR FLEX. OR FLEX, YEAH. YOU MAY DEFINE IT AS FLEX CONNECTOR. SHOULD WE SAY UNION OR FLEX CONNECTOR? YES. YES. GOTCHA. . AND WE ARE, UM, WRITING THAT UP ON THE SCREEN NOW, SO THIS IS HOW IT WOULD LOOK. GOOD. OKAY. SO MOVE FORWARD WITH EXPANDING THAT AMENDMENT TO SECTION 5 0 4 0.6. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 30. UM, THIS IS A PROPOSED TO AMENDMENT TO TA UH, TO SECTION 6 0 3 0.1. UM, ADDING A SENTENCE THAT STATE THE STATES THAT THE WATER SERVICE PIPE SHALL BE AT LEAST THE SAME SIZE AS THE LA LARGEST WATER DISTRIBUTION PIPE IN THE STRUCTURE IT SERVES. UM, I KNOW GREG COMMENTED ON THIS LAST TIME, SO IF WE WANNA TABLE THIS OR YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY AGREE THAT WE DON'T WANNA ADD THIS AMENDMENT. UM, IS HE, HE DID VOICE HIS OPINION AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL. CAN YOU PUT THIS INTO SOME CLARIFICATION? I GUESS WHEN THIS CAME UP, UH, MAYBE THEY HAD A ONE INCH LINE, UH, A SERVICE LINE. THE BUILDING MAY HAVE HAD A TWO INCH LINE, WELL JUST MATCHING UP, UH, FROM THE WATER SERVICE GOING INTO THE DISTRIBUTION THAT THEY SHOULD BOTH BE MATCHING UP TWO TO TWO INSTEAD OF, UH, CHOKING IT DOWN ON THE SERVICE LINE AND THEN BUMPING IT UP ON THE DISTRIBUTION. UH, I WOULD'VE NEVER THOUGHT ANYBODY WOULD'VE DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DEMAND INSIDE REQUIRES A TWO INCH PIPE, UH, YOU OPEN THAT UP, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PRESSURE ON A ONE INCH LINE. SO, AND YOU'RE SEEING THIS, YOU'D BE SURPRISED. YES. YEP. WE SEE A LOT OF THINGS. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, LIKE, LET'S SAY, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY PROBABLY LIKE A FINISH OUT BUILDING ON A COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, I GUESS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GONNA BE THE FINAL PRODUCT IN THERE. SO THEY MIGHT BE RUNNING A TWO INCH INSIDE THAT. AND THEN [01:10:01] OUTSIDE OF IT, YOU'RE JUST SEEING A ONE INCH COMING IN THAT THEY RAN TO IT. SO THEY NEED TO BE AT LEAST RUNNING THAT TWO INCH, LIKE YOU SAID. SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY. UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THIS ONE ALSO. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT. THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 31. SO CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT THAT WE ELIMINATED THE BLOWOUT DESIGN WATER CLOSETS 'CAUSE THEY AREN'T UTILIZED. AND WHEN THEY ARE, THEY'RE REPLACED WITHIN A COUPLE YEARS. SO WE'VE JUST EXCLUDED THAT OPTION. OR EXCEPTION, EXCUSE ME, EXCEPTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE BLOWOUT? BLOWOUT? LET ME, UH, REFER TO MY EXPERTS OVER HERE THAT HAD TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME AS WELL. , MIKE MORALES. I BELIEVE THEY WERE THE, THE TANKS. UM, LIKE A FLUSHOMETER TANK. UH, YOU HAVE A PRESSURIZED TANK. IN FACT, HAVE Y'ALL SEEN ANY OF THOSE, UM, OUT DOING Y'ALL'S WORK? BECAUSE WE'RE, I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE IN A WHILE. UM, THE NEW RESIDENTIAL, BUT LIKE ON A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE MM-HMM. , THEY'LL PUT THESE, UH, THEY'LL PUT THESE PRESSURIZED TANKS IN THERE THAT FLUSH LIKE A, A FLUSHOMETER. AND I THINK THEY'RE WHAT, 3.6? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IN A WHILE, SO I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS A BIG THING BACK IN THE NINETIES, UH, AND JUST KIND OF FADED OUT THERE. I ONLY REMEMBER THE MORTUARIES STILL USING BLOWOUT TYPE, UH, APPLIANCES, SINKS AND THINGS. WOULD THAT RESTRICT THEM OR THEY, OR DO THEY HAVE TO CONFORM TO A WATER CONSUMPTION OR WATER STANDARDS? I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST REFERRING TO THE 3.6. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? WELL, I REMEMBER THAT THE BLOWOUTS WERE ALL THREE AND A HALF GALLON OR MORE. THEY RATED UP TO FIVE, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. SO I WOULD'VE THOUGHT, UH, WATER CONSERVATION RULES WOULD'VE ELIMINATED THOSE REGARDLESS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT JUST DIDN'T CONFORM TO THE WATER CONSERVATION OR THE ONE 1.28 STANDARD. ANYWAY. YOU GUYS AGREE THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT? YES, I'D SAY WE ARE, WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT FOR WATER HAMMER. WE JUST SPECIFY WHAT QUALIFIES AS A QUICK CLOSING VALVE. UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING ANY REQUIREMENTS. WE'RE JUST ADDING A TEXT FOR CLARIFICATION. UH, YEAH. UH, AGAIN, THE CLARIFICATION IN, IN THESE AMENDMENTS FOR OUR PLUMBERS, I THINK IS, IS CRITICAL. SO I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO, OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS A COSA AMENDMENT TO TABLE 6 0 5 0.3. SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. UH, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, BASED ON, UH, NEW HOUSE, I SAY NEW, BUT IT WAS 2014 HOUSE BILL, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ELIMINATE ANY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT THE BASE CODES ALLOW. SO THIS AMENDMENT FOR, UH, WATER SERVICE PIPE ELIMINATES THE COPPER, COPPER ALLOY TUBING, TYPE M AND WM. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. SO WE'RE BRINGING IT UP ON THE SCREEN NOW. SO, UH, GEORGE SLEEVE, SO YOU, IT'S IN THE PROPOSED, UH, UH, AMENDMENTS HERE TO REVIEW. YOU'RE SAYING TO KEEP IT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING NOW WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT? YES. I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO UPDATE THIS SPREADSHEET. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE AMENDMENT. UH, ITEM NUMBER 33. UH, DUE TO THE HOUSE BILL, WE WERE STILL WORKING WITH OUR, UM, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS HOW WE NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD. AND [01:15:01] WE DID GET CLARIFICATION THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO AMEND OUT ANY BUILDING MATERIALS THAT THE BASE CODES ALLOW. YOU'RE SAYING THE INTERNATIONAL CODE BODY IS TELLING US THIS? UM, NO, THE, UH, TEXAS HOUSE BILL, LET ME GET THE NUMBER. HI, THIS IS JOSEPH HARNEY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UH, JUST SOME CLARIFICATION IN, IN 2019, UM, THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, PASSED OR HOUSE BILL 24 39, WHICH IS NOW LAW UNDER THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND SECTION 3000. AND, UH, BASICALLY SAYS THAT, UM, ANY BUILDING MATERIAL OR, UH, THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE MODEL CODE, UM, IS, UH, THE, A CITY CAN'T, UH, PROHIBIT IT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW IN, IN SEVERAL AREAS. SO WE CAN AMEND PARTS OF THE CODE AND MAKE IT STRICTER, BUT WE CANNOT REMOVE THIS. CORRECT. WE CAN'T REMOVE ALLOWABLE BUILDING MATERIALS. DO THEY HAVE A REASON FOR, UH, SPENCER RAMSDALE? DO THEY HAVE A REASON FOR THAT? I MEAN, I KNOW TYPE PROBABLY L'S THE MOST POPULAR TYPE USED. AND THEN K'S I'VE USED K THAT STUFF'S HEAVY. THE, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LEGISLATIVE, UM, SESSION AND THE HISTORY, IT WAS, UH, BASICALLY, UM, THE ARGUMENT WAS, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING WORK IN VARIOUS JURISDICTIONS, UM, ARE HAVING TO SWITCH OUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING MATERIALS AND COMPONENTS AND, UM, THERE WAS A COST, UM, UH, RATIONALE BEHIND IT ALL. UM, SO THE DECISION WAS MADE, UM, THAT IF THE MODEL CODE ALLOWS IT, THEN THE, THE STATE OF TEXAS SHOULD ALLOW IT. SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE 'EM UPSIZE PIPE. SO WE DON'T HAVE VELOCITY PROBLEMS. , LET ME REPHRASE IT. A VELOCITY EDGE AGAIN, WE BUILD BETTER, UH, KIND OF SHRUG DOWN. OUR HANDS ARE TIED ON IT. I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T CARE TOO MUCH FOR IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHAT WE, OUR HANDS ARE TIED ON IT. OUR HANDS ARE TIED. I AGREE. AND JUST, UH, IT, THERE WERE SOME ATTEMPTS, THIS MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, 2021 TO KIND OF COME BACK AT THIS. UM, MOST OF THEM FAILED. THEY DID ADD A COUPLE EXCEPTIONS, UM, FOR I THINK THE, SOME, SOME LIGHTING UNDER THE ELECTRICAL AND, AND, UM, IF YOU HAD SOME SORT OF WATER CONSERVATION THING. BUT ANYWAY, UH, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ATTEMPT IN THE NEXT LEG LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO KIND OF ADDRESS IT. BUT FOR NOW, UM, THIS, YEAH, KINDA WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. GET OUT THE VOTE. . OKAY. WELL THEN, THEN, UH, WELL, NO, YOU GOTTA STRIKE IT. OKAY. I GUESS WE HAVE TO STRIKE IT. OKAY. SO FOR ITEM 33, WE WILL UPDATE THE SPREADSHEET TO RECOMMEND REMOVING THAT AMENDMENT THAT YOU GRA GUYS RELUCTANTLY AGREE WITH. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO TABLE 6 0 5 0.3, WHERE WE HAVE, UM, ADDED THE STANDARD THAT, UH, TO P V C PIPE. SO JOSEPH, ON THIS ONE, WE'VE CROSSED OUT THE A S T M STANDARDS AND ADDED IN THIS, UM, A W W A STANDARD. IS THAT STILL PERMITTED OR JUST, WHAT WERE THOSE? A S T M. WHY DID WE MARK OUT THE A S T M STANDARDS? LIKE, 'CAUSE THOSE WERE FOR COPPER. AND THIS WAS A P V C. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, YEAH, THE P V C, THE C 900, UH, WAS UNDER P V C AND IT WAS LISTED UNDER THE, UNDER THE COPPER COPPER ALLOY. SO THE, BUT THE I P C HAS A S T M STANDARDS FOR P V C I BELIEVE. SO IT, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THE 21 HAD HAD THAT ALREADY IN IT, IN THEIR, UH, CHART. THEY DON'T REFERENCE THE C 900 STANDARD. SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAD MADE THE AMENDMENT. BUT ARE WE PROPOSING TO, UH, CROSS OUT THOSE A S T M STANDARDS AND JUST IN ADDITION TO ADD THE C 900 STANDARD, I THINK WHAT IT HAD WITH THE C UH, THE C 9 0 1. [01:20:05] SO YES. JUST ADD IT IN ADDITION TO YES MA'AM. OKAY. SO WE'LL KEEP THOSE A S T M STANDARDS AS THEY APPEAR IN THE I P C, TAKE OUT THAT MARK OUT AND JUST ADD IN ADDITIONAL STANDARD THE TEXT, RIGHT? I TAKE OUT THOSE BRACKETS. OKAY. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? WE'LL JUST ADD THAT STANDARD. YEAH. OKAY. SO YEAH, I MISREAD THE CHART YESTERDAY. GOOD FOR ITEM 34. UM, SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. ITEM 35. OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO TABLE 6 0 5 0.4 HAVE IN HERE TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT, BUT IT SHOULD BE TO, UH, REMOVE AMENDMENT. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT'S AFFECTED BY THE HOUSE BILL. UH, SO 35, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAY WITH WHAT STATE DETERMINED LIKE WE DID IN THE OTHER ONE. CORRECT. WE'LL HAVE TO REMOVE. GOTTA REMOVE IT. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM 36 IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO SECTION 6 0 5 23 2. SO OUR, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT. WE DON'T SEE THIS FITTING, THIS TYPE OF FITTING USED. UH, I WANT TO WHAT, WHO'S MAKING THE REFERENCE THAT NOBODY'S USING FEMALE P V C ADAPTERS ANYMORE? I'M NOT GONNA CALL ANY NAMES, BUT IT STARTS WITH MIKE AND ENDS WITH MORALES. SO IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY DEALING WITH P UH, P V C, FEMALE ADAPTERS. UH, MIKE, I THINK THIS CALLED FOR THE SCHEDULE 80 ON THE AMENDMENT. UM, IT CALLED FOR SCHEDULE 80 OR SCHEDULE 40 MIKE, I THINK, OR SCHEDULE 40 IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY COULD USE. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE VERBIAGE ON HERE. UH, NOBODY'S USING THIS TYPE OF FITTING 'CAUSE YEAH, EVERYBODY'S USING UH, SCHEDULE 40 FEMALE ADAPTERS. UH, SAME WITH A SCHEDULE 80. BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE WERE SAYING, ANYTIME YOU, YOU ARE THREATENED INTO THE PIPE, IT SHOULD BE SCHEDULE 80 BOOK SAYS, UH, IT COULD BE SCHEDULE 40. SO GONNA GO ON THE BOOK STANDARD ON THAT. WE WANNA REMOVE THE AMENDMENT PREVENTING P V C FEMALE ADAPTERS FROM BEING USED. NO PREVENT SCHEDULE 80 ADAPTERS WHERE WE'RE SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE SCHEDULE 80. YOU CAN GO AND USE THE SCHEDULE 40 FEMALE ADAPTERS BASICALLY. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE AMENDMENT PROHIBITS IT. THE USE OF SCHEDULE 40 FEMALE ADAPTERS. IF YOU WERE TO USE CRACKING BREAK YEAH. BUT NOW THEY WANT TO REMOVE IT. REMOVE THE AMENDMENT IN THERE. I THINK IT'S LIKE NEW CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL, EVERYBODY'S OVER. WELL YEAH, THEY USE SCHEDULE, USE IT. DAD GUMMIT, I JUST TOOK ALL THE FEMALE ADAPTERS OUT OF OUR INVENTORY. I EVEN ELIMINATED PART NUMBERS 'CAUSE MY PLUMBER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DIDN'T USE THEM. MOTION TO KEEP IT . YEAH. YOU KNOW, , YOU WANNA, I MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY PUT THIS IN LAST TIME. I DON'T KNOW. , IT'S SPENCER'S FAULT. GEORGE SPENCER. IT MAKES SENSE. LIKE I, I MEAN IF NEW RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, I FEEL SORRY FOR THE HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE TO GET IT REP REPAIRED, YOU KNOW. BUT HONESTLY, THE SERVICE LINE IS GONNA GET BROKE. IT'S GONNA GET BROKE. I USE BRASS ACTUALLY FITTINGS IN ALL MINE AND THE BUILDERS COMPLAIN THAT MY PRICES ARE TOO HIGH. SO , SEE I AGREE. I AGREE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN NEVER [01:25:01] GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. YOU COULD ALWAYS USE THOSE BRASS FITTINGS INSTEAD OF THE SCHEDULE 80 OR THE SCHEDULE 40. I MEAN WE PRAISE YOU FOR DOING THAT GOOD WORK AND YEAH. WHO'S GONNA SUFFER OR YOU KNOW, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS DOWN THE LINE, UH, ON THESE, UH, THINNER SCHEDULES. SO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT READ P V C FEMALE ADAPTERS NOT ONTO A PIPE THREAD, DID IT? DIDN'T THIS DESIGNED FOR LIKE THE WATER SERVICE COMING OUT OF A METER GOING IN? YEAH, LIKE A UH, FROM THE PV CUTOFF YEAH. SET UP INTO THE P VVC PIPE. BUT IT DIDN'T DEFINE THAT IT SHOULD, COULD NOT BE USED. I MEAN THE FEMALE ADAPTERS WERE, I WAS ALWAYS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT FEMALE ADAPTERS COULD NOT BE USED ON AN IRON PIPE. MALE THREAD. AGAIN, THOSE IRON PIPE MALE THREADS GOING INTO, UH, THE FEMALE THREAD, WHAT WE HAD SAID IT, IT HAD HAD TO BE SCHEDULE 80 BOOK SAYS YOU CAN HAVE SCHEDULE 40. SO, AND WE WANT SCHEDULE 40 ON THE FEMALE ADAPTERS. OKAY. AGAIN, IF WE DON'T, WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF FAILURES BECAUSE IT WAS PREVENTED FROM BEING USED NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA ALLOW IT TO BE USED. SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE, IF IT COST ME A NICKEL, I'LL SPEND A NICKEL INSTEAD OF THAT DOLLAR. I HEAR YA. I MEAN WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TURN DOWN SPENCER 'CAUSE HE'S USING BRASS AGAIN. HE'S DOING QUALITY WORK OUT THERE. UM, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE BRASS, IT'D BE SCHEDULE 80. UH, BUT AGAIN, THE BOOK IS SAYING IT'S OKAY TO USE SCHEDULE 40 PIPING FITTINGS. HOW ABOUT IF WE AGREE TO SCHEDULE 40 FEMALE ADAPTER WITH A WHO'S CLAMP ON IT? , I'M GONNA KEEP AN EYE ON YOU. GEORGE , WHAT PROJECTS ARE YOU WORKING ON? AGAIN, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AGREE WITH THAT OR, OR DISAGREE SCHEDULE. OKAY, LET'S KEEP IT SCHEDULE 80. SO YOU I AGREE, DISAGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. AMENDMENT STAYS. I, OKAY. THAT WAS ITEM 36. SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT PER THE COMMITTEE. ITEM 37 IS A NEW SECTION AND A 2021 I P C FOR 6 0 6 0.1. THIS MODIFICATION REQUIRES A MAIN SHUTOFF FILE FOR EACH TENANT IN A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING. SO MOST WE SEE MOST CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY INSTALLING THIS FEATURE AND WE RECOMMEND TO ADOPT THE NEW CODE SECTION AS WRITTEN. I AGREE WITH THIS. THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING THERE WASN'T LIKE AN EXTRA HOOK CUTOFF RIGHT ABOVE A HOSE BIB, WHICH KIND OF REDUNDANT. THEY'VE GOT A MAIN SHUTOFF IN THERE. SO I AGREE WITH IT. I'M GOOD WITH IT. JOE, ROBERT, YOU GUYS, GUYS GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM 38 IS CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT 6 0 6 0.2. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT THAT ELIMINATES THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SHUTOFF VALVE ON THE WATER SUPPLY SIDE TO EACH SEAL C**K, WHICH INCLUDES HOSE BIBS. I'M GOOD WITH IT. ALRIGHT, WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE. THE NEXT ITEM IS CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT TO 6 0 7 0.3. UM, THIS IS A REFERENCES THE CITY ORDINANCE FOR WATER CONSERVATION. STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS, EVEN IF IT WASN'T IN THE CODE HERE. UH, WE JUST MIMIC IT FOR, UH, CONVENIENCE. I'M GOOD WITH IT. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 40 LISTED AS TO REVISIT. UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO TABLE THAT TO LEARN NEXT MEETING. SO ITEM 41 IS A CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT 6 0 8, 14 POINT 10. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS ONE. WE FILL THE AMENDMENTS REDUNDANT. UH, THE ITEMS THAT AREN'T COVERED IN THIS CODE ARE ALLOWED TO BE SUBMITTED AS ALTERNATIVE METHODS THAT ARE REVIEWED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL. SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT AMENDMENT UP ON THE SCREEN. 1410. SO THIS IS FOR THE BACKFLOW PREVENTION ASSEMBLIES. IT SAYS THEY SHALL CONFORM TO THE LISTED STANDARDS AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE CODE OFFICIAL. SO WE HAVE A PROCESS, [01:30:01] UM, TO FOLLOW FOR APPROVAL BY THE CODE OFFICIAL. WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED FOR BACKFLOW PREVENTERS SPECIFICALLY. ROBERT, YOU ALL RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST REREAD. YEAH, THE NEXT ITEM THERE, 42 IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO THAT NEXT SECTION, 6 0 8, 14 POINT 11. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS ONE WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE BACKFLOWS. UH, WE REQUIRE THAT THEY'RE MARKED TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION SERVED. I'M GOOD WITH IT. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE. NEXT ITEM. CURRENT COAST OF AMENDMENT 6 0 8 15 3 FOR ACCESSIBLE OPENINGS. UH, WE STATE THAT BACKFLOW PREVENTERS NEED TO BE READILY ACCESSIBLE. WE'RE GONNA DEFINE READILY ACCESSIBLE OR IS IT ALREADY THINK IT IS DEFINED? FIVE FOOT HEIGHT, THREE FOOT RADIUS OR WHATEVER THERE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD IT AT, UM, INSTEAD OF KEEPING THEM UP BY. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE PLUMBING CODE DOES DEFINE READY ACCESS TO STATE THAT WHICH ENABLES A FIXTURE, APPLIANCE OR EQUIPMENT TO BE DIRECTLY REACHED WITHOUT REQUIRING THE REMOVAL OR MOVEMENT OF ANY PANEL DOOR OR SIMILAR OBSTRUCTION AND WITHOUT THE USE OF A PORTABLE LADDER, STEP STOOL OR SIMILAR DEVICE. AND I LIKE THE DEFINITION. ALRIGHT, YOU GUYS AGREE TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT FOR READY ACCESS. OKAY, NEXT ITEM 44. SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO 40 FOR THE STANDARDS FOR BACKFLOW PREVENTERS FOR CARBONATED BEVERAGES. SO I RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS ONE. IS IT SIMILAR? UH, I BELIEVE MARK WANTED THAT ONE. WAIT UNTIL HE COMES BACK. YES SIR. YEAH. THE NEXT ITEM, CSO AMENDMENT 6 0 8 POINT 17 TWO. SO THIS AMENDMENT WE'RE RE RE RECOMMENDING TO KEEP, WE'VE CROSSED OUT THE A S SS E STANDARD 10 12 AS IT'S NOT A TESTABLE DEVICE. WHAT NUMBER DID WE JUMP TO? I SAW I, UM, IT'S ITEM 45. 45. I'VE GOT THAT ONE ALSO MARKED TO WAIT. YEAH. OKAY, I'LL PUT THAT ONE TO TABLE. SO, 46 CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 6 0 8 POINT 17 FIVE CONNECTIONS TO LAW AND IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. SO WE'RE REFERENCING IN OUR AMENDMENT, WE'RE REFERENCING THE CITY ORDINANCE THAT, UM, ALIGNS OR THAT'S IDENTIFIES THE SAUL'S REQUIREMENTS. A VACUUM BREAKER. IS IT BACKFLOW? WHO'S BID VACUUM BREAKER? UH, AGAIN, I'VE WAS MOST OF THE BACKFLOW QUESTIONS. IS THIS ONE ALLOWED TO GO AHEAD AND GO? I THINK HIS WAS THE CARBONATED MACHINE. THIS ONE'S PRETTY BASICALLY BACKFLOW OR BACKFLOW, WHICH I AGREE WITH. I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER IF HE WAS QUESTIONING ALL THE BACKFLOW DEVICES. SO CIRCLED YOU HAVE THAT ONE CIRCLED, JOE? NO, NO. THIS ONE WAST BROUGHT UP TO IT. THIS WAS JUST THOSE OTHER TWO ITEMS I ASSUME THAT HE WANTED ALL BACK. IF HE DIDN'T MARK IT, THEN I'D SAY WE NEED TO KEEP IT. WELL THE NEXT ONE HE GOT IS 68. THAT I, WHAT'S THAT? IF HE HAS 68, WE CAN DEFINITELY REVISIT IT. UM, I'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THIS ONE, GEORGE, JUST SO WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, HE'S GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH. OKAY. SO ITEM WE WILL TABLE ITEM 46 JUST TO MAKE SURE. UH, BUT WE HAVE YOUR INPUT THAT, THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THAT. SO ITEM 47, [01:35:01] THAT IS A CHANGE TO THE 2021 I P C FOR 6 0 9 0.2. SO IT REMOVES THE WORD HOSPITALS, UM, AND THEN SPECIFIES THE ACTUAL OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION AS I TWO CONDITION TWO FACILITIES, WHICH ARE ONES THAT WOULD PROVIDE EMERGENCY CARE. SO IT REQUIRES THOSE SPECIFIC I TWO CONDITION TWO FACILITIES TO HAVE TWO WATER SERVICE PIPES AND SIZE SUCH THAT EITHER ONE CAN MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE ENTIRE FACILITY. SO AGAIN, THIS IS SPECIFIC TO HOSPITALS THAT PROVIDE EMERGENCY CARE. AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH THIS ONE TOO. , EVERYBODY AGREE? ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION OF 6 0 9 0.2 0.1. THAT REQUIRES AN INSULATED TRACER WIRE FOR NON-METALLIC PIPING BE INSTALLED ADJACENT TO UNDERGROUND PIPING SERVING AS A WATER SERVICE FOR A HOSPITAL. DID THEY SERIOUSLY TAKE OUT HOSPITAL AND THEN PUT HOSPITAL BACK ? YEAH. SERIOUSLY. AND THIS IS SUB SPENCER RAMS. I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT KIND OF INSTALLATION WOULD THEY PUT ON THAT? I'M SORRY, SPENCER. UH, WAS THIS WRITTEN IN HERE CRYSTAL? 'CAUSE YES, THIS IS, UH, SIX, OH, THIS IS I P C SIX. OH 9.2 0.1. YEAH. 'CAUSE WE IDENTIFY IT AS A CHANGE AND THE NEED IT OUT HERE BECAUSE IT'S IN HERE. I I HAVE IT ON HERE. IT'S ON THERE. THROW THAT IN THERE. I PUT ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. YEAH. OKAY. I WONDERED. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? UH, WE WERE JUST JOKING ABOUT AN INSULATED WIRE. IS, IS IT JUST SO WE DON'T USE, UH, OR THEY DON'T TAKE A, A BARE COPPER WIRE AND LAY IT IN THE GROUND? OBJECTION. YEAH. UM, I CAN'T GET INTO THE PHYSICS OF IT. IT'D BE THE SAME KIND OF WIRE USED FOR LIKE GAS, I GUESS THAT I, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT THAT'S COATED. THERE IS A COATING ON THAT WIRE, SO YES. YES THERE IS. OKAY. AND THIS AGAIN, WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THOSE HOSPITALS THAT HAVE, THAT PROVIDE EMERGENCY CARE. THIS, THIS IS A SUBSECTION TO THE ONE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THE ADOPTING AS WRITTEN? OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM, WE'RE JUMPING BACK TO AMENDMENTS, CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 7 0 5 0.1 0.1 FOR JOINT COUPLINGS. SO THIS REQUIRES THAT ALL UNDERGROUND OR UNDER SLAB, MECHANICAL JOINT COMPANY COUPLINGS BE SHIELDED AND WIDE BODIED. I SEE SOME HEAD NODS. YOU GUYS GOOD? KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT? OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM, UH, CURRENT, UM, NEW SECTIONS TO THE I P C FOR 7 0 5 0.2 0.4 AND 7 0 5 POINT 10.4. GREAT IDEA. P V C IS EXPENSIVE ENOUGH. ALL WE GOTTA DO IS MAKE IT A PUSH FIT AND INCREASE COST. IT SAYS NO INCREASE IN COST. DO YOU, YOU THINK THAT WOULD, THAT'S AN INCREASE. WE CAN CHANGE THAT. THIS WAS BEST GUESS, BUT INPUT FOR YOU GUYS? UH, I WOULD SAY, WELL I GUESS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE GLUE AND PRIMER . HAVE YOU SEEN, I HAVEN'T YET SEEN, SEEN THESE FITTINGS, BUT I COULD IMAGINE GOOD. I LOOKED THEM UP. BIRD, IF CHARLOTTE DIDN'T DO IT, I ASSUME YOU AWAY. YOU GET THEM AT THE WRONG ANGLE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU P C, YOU GOTTA CUT IT OUT. NOBODY'S GONNA CUT OUT COPPER BACK BALL. IT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE 'EM THE ABILITY TO SPIN THAT FITTING AND GET IT BACK LEVEL. ARE YOU GUYS SEEING US OUT ON THE FITTINGS? PUSH FITTINGS? I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T, NO. [01:40:01] I HAVEN'T HAD ANY MANUFACTURERS COME TO MY OFFICE SHOWCASING THEM, SO NO, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE APPROVAL FIRST, UH, . BUT, UH, NO, I DID LOOK 'EM UP. IT WAS KIND OF A, KIND OF A NEAT THING. BUT WE'LL MEET A GEORGIA SHOP . SO ARE YOU GUYS ALLOWING THEM OR NOT? I DON'T HOW'S THAT READING IN THERE? I MEAN, SAYS DOCTORS, WE WOULD ALLOW THEM RIGHT? IT'S THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED. JUST SAYS WHEN THEY'RE USED, THEY SHALL COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS. SURE, YEAH. NICE TO HAVE OFFICES. YEP. I'D SAY WE'RE ALRIGHT WITH IT. THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE HAD IT AS A NO POTENTIAL INCREASE IN COST BECAUSE IF THERE'S AN OPTION, IF YOU DON'T USE THEM THEN RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO INCREASE. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THOSE SECTIONS AS WRITTEN. SO THE, THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 7 0 6 0.3 INSULATION OF FITTINGS. SO WE WILL, SINCE I, I ELABORATED EXTENSIVELY ON THAT SUMMARY OF CHANGE. , WE'LL BRING UP THE AMENDMENT. 7 0 6 3. SO WE'VE ADDED IN THERE, UM, APPLIANCES WITH OR WITHOUT PUMPING ACTION. DISCHARGE. SO WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO REMOVE OR WITHOUT MIKE, YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? YEAH. SO WE'RE ELIMINATING THE FIXTURE FITTING SIDE TO SIDE. BACK TO BACK, UH, FIXTURES, UH, GOING BACK TO THE REGULAR SANITARY CROSS, UM, ON THE AMENDMENT, IT WAS, UH, WITH OR WITHOUT THE, THE PUMP IN ACTION. I THINK THE BOOK HAS, IF YOU HAVE A PUMP IN ACTION, UH, YOU SHALL INSTALL THIS FITTING. SO WE'RE REVERTING BACK. UH, THOSE FIXTURE FITTINGS AREN'T REQUIRED. UM, I BELIEVE THAT ON THE BACK TO BACK WATER CLOSET'S STILL GONNA REMAIN. SO ARE YOU GONNA ALLOW 'EM ON ANYTHING EXCEPT BACK TO BACK TOILETS? WELL, WE'LL ALLOW 'EM EVERYWHERE, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO USE THEM. UH, BACK IN 15 OR 12, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT. COULD HAVE WENT BACK TO NINE. UH, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT. YOU HAVE TO START USING THESE, UH, FIXTURE FITTINGS. UH, SANITARY CROSSES WEREN'T ALLOWED ANYMORE. UH, NOW WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND GO BACK TO SANITARY CROSSES. YOU DON'T NEED TO USE THAT FIXTURE FITTING. SO WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE END AND MY POOR PLUMBER'S TRYING TO RUN A CABLE DOWN A DAD GUM SANITARY CROSS AND CAN'T WE GOTTA TEAR THE WALLS OPEN? AND DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, TO THE VENT USE, LET'S SAY LIKE A CROSS IN A ROUGH AND ON A, A TUB AND A SHOWER FIXTURE WHERE YOU HAD A TUB IN THE SHOWER NEXT TO EACH OTHER. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY OUTLAWED THAT. AND SO IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT ON THE TOILET, SHOULDN'T WE BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT THERE TOO? YEAH. UH, WE'RE SAYING THAT SANITARY CROSS IS OKAY. UH, I MEAN YOU COULD INSTALL ALL THE FIXTURE FITTINGS YOU WANT. I, BUT I MEAN, WE'RE SAYING THE, SO THEY STARTED ALLOWING THOSE AMENDMENT, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT I, I, I PERSONALLY, I LIKE IT. I'D SAY GO FOR IT. . YOU GUYS AGREE WITH SITE OUTLET FITTINGS OR GARBAGE MYSELF. BUT THAT'S ALL WE CAN USE IN THIS SITUATIONS. BRING THE T BACK. THAT'S WALLER AGAIN. WHO IS THAT GENTLEMAN ON? UH, I'LL PUT IT, I'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE. I IF IF ALL THREE SAY, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH, [01:45:02] THAT'S, THAT'S WITH ME. IT, IT JUST MAKES MY COMPANY MORE MONEY. I SEE IT BOTH WAYS. I CAN SEE IT HOW IT COULD BE BETTER. AND I, ARGUMENTS ARE FITTING. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ARGUMENT. IT'S ALLOWED, IT'S ALLOWED. AGAIN, I LOVE THESE AMENDMENTS WE WERE TOLD TO KIND OF TRIM DOWN. UM, SO AGAIN, I LOVE THESE, I LOVE THESE AMENDMENTS. I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT I'M AND I AGREE WITH YOU. WE'RE ALL PLUMBERS IN HERE, UM, WHERE WE KNOW WHAT THOSE FITTINGS ARE ABOUT. I'M SORRY, , WE'RE ALL PLUMBERS IN HERE. SO WE KNOW WHAT WORKS, WHAT DOESN'T WORK, WHAT BENEFITS US? LIKE GEORGE, WITH YOUR CABLE GUYS, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDANCE OF THE CABLES. UH, SANITARY CROSSES CO COULD GO ON THE OPPOSITE WALL OR UP ANOTHER FIXTURE. YOU KNOW, THE FIXTURE FITTINGS MAKE IT EASIER. UM, AGAIN, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING OUT THERE. WE KNOW WHAT'S BENEFICIAL. UH, WE WERE JUST IN INSTRUCTED TO TRIM SOME OF THE, THE, THE FAT ON THIS THING AND WE LOOK FOR SOME OF 'EM THAT KIND OF WEREN'T TOO BENEFICIAL. SO, SPENCER, THEN WHY IS A SANITARY CROSS MORE BENEFICIAL TO YOU THAN A FIXTURE FITTING? I'M GUESS I VIEW IT AS IN THE SLAB ON A, UH, A GO BACK TO A TUB AND THE SHOWER SET UP AND THERE'S MULTIPLE COMBOS. WE'RE RIGHT NOW WE'RE REDUCED TO USING SIDE OUTLET FITTING. AND THOSE BREAK, I COULD TELL YOU AMOUNT OF TIMES WHERE WE HAVE TO FIX A SLAB LEAK. IT'S THAT SIDE OUTLET. SO HAVING THE ABILITY TO USE A CROSS IN THAT SITUATION, I, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD THING ON THAT SITUATION. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ON THE TOILETS THOUGH, TOO. SO, BACK TO BACK TOILETS ON SANITARY TS. I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE BIGGEST, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WITH THAT WAS, UH, COMPROMISING THE P TRAP OF A SECONDARY TOILET OR THE TOILET THAT WAS NOT BEING FLUSHED. IS THIS TRUE? I, I'LL HAVE TO PUT IT TO YOU, MIKE. WELL NOW AGAIN, UH, SOME OF THOSE PRESSURE ASSIST TOILETS THAT WERE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AND CAUSING THE OTHER SIDE TO BLOW OUT, UM, YOU'RE USING THE 1.6 1.2 TOILETS THESE DAYS, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING, AGAIN, THAT, THAT RUSH GOING THROUGH. UM, AGAIN, NOW WE'RE TALKING COMMERCIAL, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE FLUSHOMETER OUT THERE, SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM, BUT CODE IS ALLOWING YOU TO USE 'EM. GEORGE, YOU WANNA TABLE THIS FOR SOME MORE CONSIDERATION OR JUST TO THINK ABOUT IT? NO, I'D, I'D GO AHEAD AND IF EVERYBODY ELSE AGREES, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. YOU GUYS AGREED TO REMOVE THE AMENDMENT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO . MR. JILL LA IS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH, UH, MAINTENANCE DOWN THE ROAD RESIDENTIAL MIKE MORALES? WELL, LIKE, LIKE, UH, GEORGE WAS SAYING BACK IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW, I RAN PLENTY OF CABLES. SO YOU HAD REGULAR SANTI, UH, CROSSES, CAST IRON CROSSES, YOU'D BE IN APARTMENTS. YOU'D GO FROM ONE SIDE TO THE O WHEN RUNNING A CABLE. YOU'D GO FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A BIG ISSUE. UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE FIXTURE FITTINGS COMING OUT, THE DIRECTION OF THE FLOW, UH, THE GUIDANCE OF THE CABLE AN IN AND OUT DEAL, UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SLIMMED DOWN A LOT, YOU KNOW, FOR SERVICE CREWS. UH, NOT REPAIRING OTHER P TRAPS FROM BUSTING OUT THE, THE P TRAPS FROM, UH, A CABLE BUSTING THROUGH. UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE. OKAY, THEN WE NEED TO TEACH ALL THE PLUMBERS OR THE DRAIN GUYS THAT THEY NEED TO TIE A STRING ON THEIR CABLE AND WHEN THEY GET TO THAT T PULL BACK, SO YOUR CABLE WILL TURN AND GO DOWN ? NO, UH, BUT AGAIN, I, I WOULD SAY, UH, I'D OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD AND LET THEM, UNLESS YOU WANNA WAIT IN, UH, FOR THE OTHER TWO FELLAS TO GET HERE, UH, THE ENGINEERS ROB JOEL, GO AHEAD AND REMOVE [01:50:01] IT. OKAY. ITEM 51. WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH REMOVING THAT AMENDMENT. SO THE NEXT ITEMS WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THOSE AMENDMENTS. SO THAT'S FOR 7 0 8 0.1 0.2. SO FOR CLEAN OUTS, SO THE CURRENT AMENDMENT REQUIRES THE DIRECTION. T Y WHICH IS ALREADY REFERENCED IN SEVEN OR 7 0 8 0.1 0.9, ALREADY REQUIRES THE CLEAN OUT TO ENABLE CLEANING OF THE DRAINAGE PIPE IN THE DIRECTION OF FLOW. SO WE FELT THAT, THAT THAT AMENDMENT WAS ALREADY COVERED IN ANOTHER SECTION. AND THEN THE CHANGE OF DIRECTION FOR CLEAN OUTS WOULD JUST FOLLOW THE STRAIGHT CODE. AGAIN, AS MIKE MENTIONED, THAT WE WANNA REDUCE OUR AMENDMENTS BECAUSE WE WANT, UH, WE WANT PLUMBERS THAT DO WORK IN SHIRTS, CILO AUSTIN HOUSTON, TO, TO BE ABLE TO EASILY FOLLOW OUR CODE. SO IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AMENDMENTS TO THE I P C SHOULD BE EASY TO, YOU KNOW, PICK UP IN THE CITY. UH, WHEREVER YOU'RE COMING FROM, THAT ONE LEG IS ALREADY A CODE. MM-HMM. YOU HAVE TO DO IT. I AGREE. GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THE AMENDMENT. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL REMOVE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THOSE SECTION. THE NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION TO THE I P C FOR 7 0 8 0.1 0.6. SO CLEAN OUT EQUIVALENT ALLOWS AN ACCESSIBLE FIXTURE TRAPPED TO BE AN, UH, ACCEPTABLE AS A CLEAN OUT EQUIVALENT. THAT'S WHAT WE DO ON LABS. NOW DO IT ON ALL RESIDES , IT SAYS LABORATORIES, BUT, UM, THE, I MEAN, YEAH, WE DO MAYBE DO IT ON LABORATORIES, BUT, UH, SHOOT, THIS IS SAYING ANY KIND OF PRA OR ANY FIXTURE LOCATION, IT'S READING ANY TIME YOU CAN REMOVE A PRA BE IT A KITCHEN LAVATORY SERVICE SINK, UM, ANYTIME YOU CAN REMOVE ANY KIND OF PRA THAT THAT WOULD SERVE AS A CLEAN OUT AND I AGREE. UM, SEND IT. I MEAN THE CLEAN OUT WAS JUST A NICE CONVENIENCE. IT DIDN'T REALLY SAVE THE CUSTOMER FROM, OR THE PLUMBER FROM FLOODING THE CABINET WHEN THE SINK WAS STANDING FULL OF WATER ANYWAY. AND, BUT YET THIS WOULD THEN ALLOW, I MEAN, WE'D STILL HAVE A CLEAN OUT ON THE WASHING MACHINE. SERVICEABLE . YES. WE'LL GO DOWN THE LIST, I THINK. UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET THERE. YOU DON'T NEED TO GO DOWN THE LIST. WE JUST, I JUST WANT A CONFIRMATION THAT THE WASHING MACHINES WERE GONNA BE LEFT . WELL, 'CAUSE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A CLEAN OUT ON THE WASHER AND THE KITCHEN. SO I MEAN, YOU JUST WROTE THIS IN AS A, A USABLE TRAP, A USABLE CLEAN OUT FOR A TRAP. SO, UH, WE'RE STILL PROPOSING TO KEEP A CLEAN OUT ON THE KITCHEN AND ALSO, UH, THE WASHER DRAIN CHANGES. GOT IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, Y'ALL? OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WE'LL ADOPT THAT SECTION AS WRITTEN IN THE 2021 I P C. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT COASTA AMENDMENT TO 7 0 8 1 7 AND 7 0 8, 1 0.8. SO THOSE AMENDMENTS, UM, WERE ADDED AT THE REQUEST OF SAS FOR MANHOLE. MANHOLE COVER SHALL BE IDENTIFIED AS SEWER AND SHALL NOT INDICATE A UTILITY COMPANY THEREON. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, WE'RE JUST ADDING THAT SECTION FOR THE MANHOLE COVER OR SENTENCE, SHOULD I SAY? 7 0 8 1 7. OKAY. AND THEN INDIVIDUAL FIXTURES. I, NO, SORRY, THAT WAS ONLY AMENDMENT TO 7 0 8 1 7. RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE NOW. OH, I SEE. I PUT TO, WE, WE, UH, REVISED, WE UPDATED THE NUMBERING SYSTEM. MY APOLOGIES. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.SEVEN AND WE NEED TO UPDATE IT TO DOT EIGHT TO FOLLOW WITH THE, UH, THE I P C. SO IT'S JUST ONE AMENDMENT. MY APOLOGIES. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? KEEPING THAT IN THERE FOR SAWS? [01:55:07] YES, WE'RE ON. GOOD. I SEE SOME HEAD NODS. OKAY. WE WILL, UH, KEEP THAT AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN. SO THE NEXT ONE IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 7 0 8 0.1 0.2. WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT AND UPDATE THE SECTION NUMBER THAT SAYS, UH, FOR INDIVIDUAL CLEAN OUTS FOR INDIVIDUAL FIXTURES, ALL WASHING MACHINES AND KITCHEN SINKS SHALL HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE CLEAN OUT. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT ONE? OKAY. YEP. DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, GEORGE . OKAY. NEXT ITEM 56. THESE ARE NEW SECTIONS FOR, UH, TO SEVEN. THESE ARE NEW SECTIONS LABELED SEVEN 17 AND 7 7 7 18. I THINK MAYBE WE NEED A BREAK, UM, FOR RELINING BUILDING SEWERS AND BUILDING DRAINS. JUST RECOMMENDED PE CERTIFICATION AND APPROVAL FOR THOSE INSTALLATIONS. UH, WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE YOU DEFINING OR WHAT IS PE? IS THIS PLUMBING ENGINEER PE JUST A, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. SORRY. A JUST PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. IT'S NOT SPECIFIED THAT THEY HAVE TO BE PLUMBING. UM, THE STATE BOARD PE LAWS REQUIRE YOU TO ONLY PRACTICE IN YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE. SO WE DON'T LOOK INTO THAT. IT'S JUST, IT'S A LICENSED ENGINEER, UM, SIGNATURE AND SEAL. SO THEN THE COMPANY DOING PIPELINING WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PES APPROVAL OR CERTIFICATION? UH, UH, UH, HE WOULD HAVE TO STAMP THE PACK. THE JOB BASICALLY. YES. UH, ENGINEER STAMP. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEING RE PROPOSED BY THE I P C. OH IT, CAN YOU PULL IT UP ON THE SCREEN THERE? OH, I'M SORRY. THIS IS OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT TWO REQUIRE THAT, UM, DO WE HAVE THE, SO THESE NEW SECTIONS FOR RELINING BUILDING, SEWERS AND DRAINS AND REHAB, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE THOSE ITEMS TO BE SIGNED OFF BY, BY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. IT REQUIRES POST INSULATION, RECORDING VIDEOING, UM, SURVEYING. SO WE'RE JUST, UH, IN THE CERTIFICATION AREA, IT'S SAYING THAT THE CODE OFFICIAL, A CERTIFICATION SHALL BE PROVIDED IN WRITING TO THE CODE OFFICIAL. SO WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE, THAT CERTIFICATION BE, UH, FROM A LICENSED ENGINEER YEAR. I DON'T KNOW. UM, I, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THE ONLY THING THAT THAT DISTURBS ME IS WHEN, UH, THE CITY REQUIRED, UH, THE ENGINEERS TO INSPECT OR VERIFY TUNNEL WORK. UH, THEY COULD NEVER GIVE US A PRICE AND WE ATE A LOT OF THAT COST UNTIL THEY FINALLY CAME UP WITH THEIR, UH, FINAL, UH, AGREED PRICE, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY. SO AGAIN, ARE WE GONNA GO INTO THIS BLIND AGAIN? MIKE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO ASK YOU, ARE WE, ARE WE SEEING A LOT OF THIS REHAB? THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA SAY. I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING MUCH OF RELINING PIPING, UM, AND RELINING SEWER LINES. I KNOW IT'S BEEN OUT THERE. I KNOW ONE OR TWO COMPANIES HAVE BEEN DOING THAT KIND OF WORK. BUT AS FAR AS OUR INVOL INVOLVEMENT GOES, UH, NO. I THINK THE CODE IS JUST SPECIFYING, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, UH, GET A PE CERTIFY IT THAT WAY. YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. INSPECTOR'S NOT RESPONSIBLE. HE'S SAYING OKAY, HE VIEWED THE VIDEOTAPES, HE SAW THE LINING. EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. AND THIS IS BEING TARGETED OR SPECIFIC TO PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT ON THE, ON, UH, CITY REHAB. I THINK IT GOES FOR ALL. UM, I DON'T THINK IT SPECIFIES BE IT PRIVATE OR, OR ANY MUNICIPALITY. [02:00:01] I THOUGHT THE ENTITIES, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES COULD DO PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY CHOSE. OH YEAH, WE CAN . ARE YOU, GEORGE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UM, CITY BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE DOING THE, THIS RELINING OF EXISTING BUILDINGS? UH, WELL THE, SPECIFICALLY THE AMENDMENT SAYS BUILDING SEWER. SO IT'S ON PROPERTY, IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I MEAN, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, DOES THIS REQUIREMENT GOING TO MOVE OVER TO, I WOULD THINK THAT THE CITY, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE THE MOST ONE THAT'S GONNA BE IMPACTED WITH ANY KIND OF RELINING AND TRUE, UH, THE RELINING COMPANIES, IT'S A FRANCHISE. SO YEAH, YOU'RE ARE, THEY ARE LIMITED TO HOW MANY ARE GONNA BE IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION. SO, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 150 COMPANIES DOING IT. YOU KNOW, ARE YOU THINKING GOVERNMENT, UH, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FACILITIES THAT DO THEIR OWN, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR OWN WAGES THAT DON'T REQUIRE THEIR PERMITS? YEAH, COULD BE. UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THOSE FACILITIES 'CAUSE WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING. UM, BUT I THINK ANY CITY BUILDING, UH, CITY OWNED BUILDING WOULD PROBABLY PLAY THE SAME RULES THAT EVERYONE ELSE WOULD. OKAY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT IS SPECIFIC TO PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT. SO THE NEXT ITEM, OUR, OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 8 0 2 0.4 FOR WASTE RECEPTORS. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT, WHICH ALLOWS APARTMENTS TO HAVE A CONDENSATE DRAIN IN A MECHANICAL CLOSET. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. SHOULD WE, SO WE ARE NOW STARTING OUR, UM, REVIEW OF CHAPTER NINE FOR AMENDMENTS AND UPDATES TO THE I P C. DO YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK OR JUST KEEP CHUGGING ALONG? GETTING KNOCKED OUT? ALRIGHT. NO BREAK FOR YOU. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 9 0 3 0.1 FOR ROOF EXTENSION. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS ONE, WE'LL UPDATE THE CODE SECTION AS, AS REQUIRED FOR THE NEW I P C. SO THIS REQUIRES THE A H J TO INSERT A NUMBER. SO WE HAVE INSERTED THERE THE SIX INCHES. SO WE HAVE TO, UM, HAVE THIS AMENDMENT AND WE RECOMMEND KEEPING IT AT THE SIX INCHES. GOOD. SO OPEN VENT PIPES THAT EXTEND THROUGH A ROOF SHALL BE TERMINATED AT LEAST SIX INCHES ABOVE THE ROOF. GEORGE, SLEEP AGAIN, SIX INCHES ABOVE WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? ABOVE THE ROOF. THE PEAK OF THE ROOF. YEAH. DO YOU STILL LET YOU, BUT IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO STAY SO MANY INCHES OR FEET AWAY FROM THE PEAK BEFORE YOU STOP YOUR VENT BELOW THE PEAK ON YOUR, ON YOUR B VENTS? I MEAN, THIS IS SAYING A MINIMUM OF, OF YOUR VENT TERMINATION. UH, SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK SPENCER RAMEL, WHY ARE THEY CHANGE? I THINK IT'S LIKE 12 INCHES, RIGHT? WHERE THEY'VE, THEY'VE CHANGED IT. I THINK THE UP USED TO BE 12 YEARS AGO. I THINK WE'VE HAD SIX INCHES. MAYBE THE LAST TWO, THREE. I DUNNO. I COULD SAY TWO, THREE. COULD BE FOUR. YEAH. I'VE ALWAYS DONE 12. SO . YEAH, I MEAN YOU SEE 12 ON THERE, YOU DO STUFF FROM A LONG TIME AGO AND IT JUST STICKS AND YOU NEVER QUESTION IT. SO YOU DO 12 ON THERE, YOU SEE SIX AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO A DOUBLE TAKE ON IT. SO, BUT I THOUGHT IF WE, IF YOU'RE WE'RE TALKING D W V VENT, NOT, NOT GASP. YEAH. NO D W B. OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH IT. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. SO WE'RE ON ITEM NUMBER 59, CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 9 0 4 0.5. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT, UH, WE'RE MAKING A LITTLE MODIFICATION TO IT. YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT SAYS NOT LESS THAN A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES. WE'RE JUST, I'M JUST TAKING OUT A MINIMUM OF, SO IT'LL SAY NOT LESS THAN SIX INCHES TO SAME INTENT. SO WE'VE ADDED FOR THE VERTICAL [02:05:01] RISE OF THE VENT, WHEN STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS REQUIRE HORIZONTAL VENTS TO BE INSTALLED BELOW THE FLOOD LEVEL RIM OF THE FIXTURE THEY SERVE, THEY SHALL HAVE A CLEAN OUT INSTALLED ON THE RISER IN AN ACCESSIBLE LOCATION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ADDED TO THAT SECTION. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT ONE? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL KEEP THAT. NEXT ONE IS, UH, CURRENT AMENDMENT TO NINE 15.1 FOR TYPE OF FIXTURES WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT AS THE NEW CODE LANGUAGE MATCHES WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY AMENDED. YOU GUYS WANNA SEE THAT FOR 9, 9 15. SO WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, UM, MARKED OUT, SO IT'S A COMBINATION WASTE AND VENT SYSTEMS SHALL NOT RECEIVE THE DISCHARGE FROM A FOOD WASTE DISPOSAL OR, OR CLINICAL SINK. SO THEY HAVE ELIMINATED FOOD WASTE DISPOSER. SO WE WERE DOING IT RIGHT ALL ALONG. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH REMOVING THAT AMENDMENT? ALL RIGHT, SEE WE GET TO CHALK THAT ONE UP AS REMOVED. THE NEXT ONE IS CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 9 15 2 0.3 FOR CONNECTION. LEMME BRING THAT UP. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. ANY ADDED DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE, MIKE? NINE 15. TWO THREE. YES. I THINK THIS WAS BASICALLY FOR LIKE FINISH OUTS WHERE THEY WERE ADDING A RESTAURANT ON THERE SO THAT SAWS COULD COME IN AND DO THEIR TEST LATER ON. YEAH, THIS WAS THE EXTRA VENT IF I'M READING THIS ONE, CORRECT. 9 1 5 0.23. 2.3. UH, HAVING TWO VENTS. UH, THE START OF SYSTEM ONE DOWN, CORRECT? YES. THAT'S IT. THIS ONE SHOULD BE GOOD. THIS WAS BASICALLY PUT IN THERE SO THAT SAWS DOES THEIR TEST ON THE WATER SO THAT THEY GOT THE ABILITY TO GO IN THERE AND TEST IT. YEP. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT? YEAH. YEAH, GEORGE. OKAY, WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE. THE NEXT ONE IS NINE 17.1 0.1. SO THIS IS FOR SINGLE STACK VENT SYSTEMS. OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT STATES THAT WE REQUIRE A CERTIFICATION LETTER FROM AN ENGINEER FOR THESE SYSTEMS. WELL THIS IS THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. . THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE STACK FOR THE SINGLE BIT. YEAH. YEP. THAT DON'T WORK ANYWAY, BUT TAKE YOU GUYS APPROVE . THANK YOU GEORGE . YOU GUYS GOOD? KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT THERE. THAT REQUIRES THAT LETTER. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION IN THE I P C FOR 10. OH 2.4 0.1 0.5. SO THE NEW SECTION ALLOWS INDIRECT CONNECTION FROM A HAND SINK TO A FLOOR DRAIN, TRENCH DRAIN [02:10:14] OR SOMETHING. WELL, I THOUGHT ON COMMERCIAL LIKE RESTAURANTS, I THOUGHT THEY CHANGED THOSE SINK DRAINS. LIKE TRUCK APARTMENTS HAD TO GO INTO FLOOR SINKS AND OR DO THEY TIE DIRECTLY IN? THAT'S A MR. MORALES QUESTION GOING INTO A FLOOR. I MEAN, ISN'T THAT WHAT HAPPENED ON THE RESTAURANT END ON A TRIPLE COMPARTMENT SINK? YOU YOU DIDN'T DO IT INTO, UH, IT WAS ALWAYS THE, THE SINKS WENT FROM A DIRECT CONNECT TO AN INDIRECT, UH, CONNECTION INTO YOUR FLOOR DRAINS OR, UH, FLOOR SINK. YEAH. ON YOUR KITCHEN SINK. UM, ON YOUR KITCHEN SINK. YOUR, I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION WAS, GEORGE. UM, WHAT, SO THE AMENDMENT IS THE WANTING TO ALLOW, UH, INDIRECT CONNECTION TO THE HAND SINK OR FOR A A D W V CONNECTION INSTEAD OF A DIRECT CONNECT INTO THE SANITARY SEWER. YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ALLOW A HAND SINK, I GUESS IS INTO A FLOOR SINK. KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID FOR THE KITCHEN OR TRIP APARTMENTS AND ALL OF THAT. YEAH. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTABLE. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS NOT A PROPOSED AMENDMENT. THIS IS A NEW SECTION IN THE I P C AND WE'RE GONNA DEFINE A HAND SINK NOT BEING A LAVATORY. CORRECT? IT DOES SAY FROM A LABORATORY OR A HAND SINK. MM-HMM. . UH, YOU WANT TO DUMP A PUBLIC LABORATORY INTO A FLOOR SINK. OURS ON THE PAPER HERE SAYS CONNECTION FOR HAND HAND SINK. HAND SINK. THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF IT WAS GONNA DEFINE LAVATORY. SHE SAYS IT DOES ADD, HAVE HAND SINKS AND LATOR STATED THAT OPENS UP A BIG . AGAIN, I DON'T SEE WHAT IS THE BENEFIT. EASIER CONNECTION. LESS WORK. AGAIN, CONSTRUCTION SIDE IS, IT'S LIKE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO GO ADD FLOOR DRAINS TO ALL THESE NEW RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND JUST HAVE THEIR SINKS GOING INTO THE FLOOR DRAINS. I TELL YOU, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GET ME IN TROUBLE WITH EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY. ALL THE PLUMBERS ARE GONNA HATE ME. WE'RE GONNA GET WHERE'D Y'ALL COME UP WITH THAT? ? I WOULD SAY IF WE WANT TO MAYBE NOT AS WRITTEN, UH, WELL THEN YOU GOTTA WRITE AN AMENDMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M READING. THAT'S WHAT I'M READING ON THAT SECTION. YOU SEEING LABS AND YEAH. YEAH. DO YOU GUYS WANNA MOLD THIS ONE OVER A LITTLE MORE? HOLD ON. MAYBE WE'RE ON ONE ZERO. ZERO. 2.4. 1 4, 1 5. ARE THEY EXPLAINING THAT A TRAP PRIMER USING IN INVERTED TAIL PIECE OFF THE LAVATORY? IS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? YES. LABORATORY RIGHT AHEAD. USED AS A TRAP PRIMER NOT DISCHARGING INTO A FLOOR SINK. CORRECT. UH, BUT USED AS A TRAP PRIMER INVERTED Y GOING. YEAH. SO YOU GO AND INVERTED Y UH, SUPPLYING THE, THE TRAP PRIMER. YEAH, I THINK I MISREAD THAT. SAYING IT'S OKAY TO DO THAT TRAP PRIMER. YEAH, THAT'S AIN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. YEAH, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. I'M SORRY, I I WAS MISREADING THIS THING. I WAS THINKING THE DISCHARGE OF THE DRAINAGE. NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK FOR YOUR RESIGNATION. I THINK THAT WAS YOU GEORGE. I I THINK [02:15:01] YOU, UH, YOU USED SOME KIND OF GEORGE MIND CONTROL OVER HERE. . OKAY. WE'LL ADOPT IS WRITTEN . OKAY, WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 63 AS ADOPTED AS WRITTEN. WE CAN SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. YOU GUYS WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH PLUMBING CODE, UM, CHANGES AND AMENDMENTS. UH, I DID ADD THE FUEL GAS IN CASE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THIS SO YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHEN WE GET, AS WE GET THROUGH THESE LAST NINE, UM, IF WE WANNA KEEP GOING ON THOSE, UH, FUEL GAS CHANGES OR CHANGES IN A FEW AMENDMENTS. BUT, UH, ITEM 64 IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 10 0 3 0.2. SO THIS REQUIRES, UH, INTERCEPTORS TO BE STAMPED OR LABELED. SO THIS IS THE APPROVAL SECTION AND WE'VE ADDED THE AMENDMENT THAT ALL INTERCEPTORS SHALL BE STAMPED OR LABELED BY THE MANUFACTURER FOR SIZE AND DISCHARGE RATE. WE'RE GOOD KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 10 0 3 0.3 0.2 FOR FOOD WASTE DISPOSAL RESTRICTION. THIS AMENDMENT OFFERS OPTIONS. LET'S BRING THAT ONE UP. GOOD, WE'RE GOOD TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR AMENDMENT TO 10 0 4 0.2 OR WE'VE ADDED THIS, UH, THIS IS THE SAMPLE WELL REQUIREMENT FOR SAWS TESTING OF FATS OIL GREASE CORRESPOND. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. SO THE NEXT ITEM RENEW SECTIONS, UM, 1106 0.2 AND 1106 0.2 0.1 THAT THIS PROVIDES A METHOD TO CONVERT INCHES PER HOUR OF RAINFALL TO GALLONS PER MINUTE. THERE'S A FORMULA IN THERE THAT THEY'VE ADDED AND REQUIRES THE FLOW RATE CALCULATED TO BE CHECKED AGAINST THE MANUFACTURER'S FLOW RATE FOR THAT SPECIFIC ROOF DRAIN. WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT THOSE SECTIONS AS WRITTEN. I DIDN'T GUYS' GOOD WITH THAT. I DIDN'T GET THIS FAR LAST NIGHT TRYING TO READ A, I I I HADN'T EVEN FAMILIARIZED MYSELF WITH CODE ON THIS ONE. IT IS. UM, SO THIS IS SIZING THE STORM DRAIN PIPING. SO THEY'VE ADDED THE CONVERSION. SO IS IT A SCALE? WELL, I OH, OKAY. THAT ABILITY TO MEASURE YES. BEING THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY SOMETHING THAT, OH NO, IT'S, IT'S PARTICULAR TO ROOF DRAINS TOO. WE HAVE THAT CODE LANGUAGE ON THE SCREEN. THE NEW ADDED ITEMS, UH, ARE IN BLUE. WELL, CODE'S ALWAYS A MINIMUM STANDARD. SO I'M GOOD FOR IT. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH ADOPTING AS WRITTEN? OKAY, GOOD DEAL. UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE LABELED FOR DISCUSSION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE TOUCHED ON THIS LAST TIME OR IF I'M GETTING CONFUSED WITH ANOTHER CODE COMMITTEE, IS OUR AMENDMENT TO 1202 0.20. I THINK WE DID BRING THIS UP LAST TIME. UM, SO THIS IS THE MED GAS NOT REGULATED BY F P A 99. SO WE'LL BRING THE AMENDMENT UP ON THE SCREEN. SO MIKE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT [02:20:01] THIS ALWAYS COMES INTO QUESTION THOSE VET CLINICS THAT ARE USING MED GAS, UH, BECAUSE N F P A 99 SAYS IF IT'S NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION, IT'S NOT REGULATED BY THE N F P A 99. EXACTLY. THE N F P A UH, 99 DOESN'T ADDRESS, UH, UH, VET CLINICS. UH, THIS WAS WRITTEN OUT, I BELIEVE ON THE LAST CODE CYCLE TO INCLUDE ANY VE VETERINARY CLINICS THAT WOULD HAVE MED GAS, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE YOUR VAC, UH, NITROUS, UH, AND ANY OTHER GASES THAT WERE OUT THERE. AND WE WOULDN'T GO TO THE EXTREME WAS THAT OF A, A MEDICAL FACILITY HOSPITAL, WHAT HAVE YOU. UH, JUST MAKING SURE THE, THE GASES WERE LABELED PROPERLY SUPPORTED, UH, AND WERE, UH, THEY DISCHARGED TO AS FAR AS OUTLETS GO. SO AGAIN, I THINK THE INTENT WAS, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THE PETS ALIVE AND ALSO IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN IN THAT GENERAL AREA, UH, GENERAL AREA WHERE THEY NEEDED SOME QUICK MEDICAL ATTENTION THAT ANY ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES COULD PROBABLY BE USED, UM, TO TREAT SOMEBODY WITH. BUT AGAIN, UH, THE N F P A DOESN'T ADDRESS IT. PROBABLY SOMETHING GOOD TO, TO KEEP ON THERE, BUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF THESE FACILITIES AREN'T AS HARD AS A A MEDICAL FACILITY. I LIKE TO KEEP MY PUPPIES ALIVE. SO WHEN I GO OUT THERE, I'M LOOKING WHAT THEY HAVE. OKAY, Y'ALL ARE GOOD. I THINK WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE TESTING TOO, RIGHT? TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO LEAKS IN THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE STILL WILL BE HUMANS IN THE BUILDING. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS, IS MOST PEOPLE LIKE THEIR ANIMALS MORE THAN THEY DO HUMANS ANYWAYS, RIGHT? , I HAVE THREE OF THEM. I'VE GOT FIVE AND I SLEEP IN THE BACK. . SO CURRENTLY YOU STILL REQUIRE YOUR MED GAS TEST AND EVERYTHING ON VETERINARIANS. YES. LIKE I SAID, UH, THIRD PARTY CERTIFICATIONS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. UM, AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO THE EXTREME, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE US OUR TEST. GIVE US OUR LABEL, GIVE US OUR, OUR SUPPORT. UM, IT'S NOT, YEAH, YEAH. UH, I AGREE. IT NEEDS TO STAY. I EVERYBODY AGREE. EVERYBODY ELSE OKAY? YES. THE ANIMALS. SAY AGAIN? . ALRIGHT, WE'LL WE'LL CHANGE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT . WE GO ON OUR WALL. . I LIKE THOSE ANIMALS ON THE WALL. I'M SORRY, JORDAN. ACTING UP OVER THERE. THE NEXT ITEM IS AN UPDATE TO THE 2021 I P C FOR 1301 0.1. SO THIS IS FOR NON-POTABLE WATER SYSTEMS. SO IT SPECIFIES STANDARDS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO REGULATING A WATER HARVEST, RAINWATER HARVESTING. AND AGAIN, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN IN THE 2021 I P C. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? YES. THE RAINWATER HARVESTING, AGAIN, ALL SHALL BE DONE, UH, HAVE WITH, WITH A PLUMBER HAVING THAT W S P S ENDORSEMENT. SO, UH, I AGREE. I MEAN THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT CAN, THAT ARE CERTIFIED TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE PERMITS ANYWAY. SO I WOULD THINK, OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING AS WRITTEN. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 1301 0.5. THAT'S FOR POTABLE WATER CONNECTIONS. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. WE FEEL IT'S REDUNDANT. IT SAYS SHALL COMPLY WITH LAWS, RULES AND ORDINANCES APPLICABLE TO THE APPLICATION. UM, THAT'S A GIVEN. IT'S STATED SEVERAL OTHER TIMES THROUGHOUT THE CODE. I AGREE. YOU GUYS AGREE? WE CAN REMOVE THAT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT [02:25:01] AMENDMENT TO 1301 0.9 0.4 FOR MAKEUP WATER. WE'VE ADDED ONE SENTENCE THERE AT THE END, UM, TO MIMIC SAS REQUIREMENTS. I AGREE. THE GUYS GOOD RAIN HARVESTING. GUYS NEED TO KNOW THIS. YEAH. AND YOUR MAKE JUST CONSIST OF YOUR AIR GAP. R P Z. UH, ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. IT'S 11 O'CLOCK. WE COULD PROBABLY KNOCK OUT THESE GAS ITEMS PRETTY QUICKLY. THERE'S 14 UNLESS YOU WANNA KEEP THOSE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. DO IT. YES. OKAY. SO MAYBE WE CAN AVOID THAT FOURTH MEETING. GOOD. THAT WOULD BE NICE. SO WHAT HAPPENED THE OTHER DAY? SO WE WERE ON, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR THE I P C. I'M SORRY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE FOR THE I P C. WE'LL HAVE TO, I DON'T HAVE THIS WORKING HERE ON, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN THIS, THIS THING ANYMORE. WE HAVE SAME SPECIAL. NO, WE ARE. IT'S UH, DID YOU GET A NEW ONE TODAY? NO. FLIPS OVER PAGE. THANK YOU. THIS IS A NEW ONE PRINTED FOR TODAY. I DIDN'T GIVE THE, IT'S A LAST SHEET. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO, I'M GONNA IDENTIFY THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TABLED, UM, AND THEN, UH, WE'LL NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THE OTHER, ALL THE OTHER ITEMS AS STAFF RECOMMENDED. SO WE CAN CLOSE OUT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO I HAVE THAT WE HAVE TABLED ITEM 30, ITEM 44, 45 AND 46 TO REVISIT AT OUR NEXT MEETING. IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE? CAN YOU GO BACK OVER THE ONES THAT WE'VE GOT TABLED SO FAR BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE NEXT SECTION? SURE. THE ONES THAT WE SHOWED TO HAVE TABLED TODAY, OR, UM, FROM OUR LAST MEETING. SPENCER. THE FIRST MEETING. OKAY. YEAH, LET'S GO OVER THOSE REAL QUICK. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER. OH, I GOTCHA. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE THOSE ON YOUR SPREADSHEET IDENTIFIED AS REVISIT. NEXT MEETING. SO THAT'S NUMBER 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT YOU GUYS WANNA DISCUSS? WE CAN KEEP MOVING. OKAY. UH, YES. SORRY. RAM 40. THANK YOU. UH, SO WE NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THE, ON THE I P C. YES. UH, OTHER THAN THOSE MARKED AS TABLED. CORRECT. SO I NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT. NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROPO, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT CHANGES, UH, OTHER THAN THOSE THAT ARE TABLED FOR NEXT, UH, MEETING JOELLE'S. NOT SECOND IT. JOE. I THINK ONE OR ROBERT, ONE OF YOU GUYS WILL NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION. I THINK HE'S JUST RECOMMENDING IT. UH, ROBERT, YOU, YOU'LL HAVE TO, YOU'LL [02:30:01] HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. I MAKE THE MO THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE LISTED, UH, AMENDMENTS. OTHER THAN THOSE WHO WANT IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. NEXT. I NEED A SECOND . NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GONNA . I SECOND IT. JOOS. OKAY. ROBERT JONES MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED. ACCEPT THOSE WE'VE TABLED JOOS. SECOND GEORGE, TAKE A VOTE. AND WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE GOOD. IS THAT ALL IN FAVOR? OH, WE GOTTA DO ALL IN FAVOR. OKAY. WE ALL IN FAVOR THIS TIME, . AYE. AYE. MAYBE WE NEED THAT FOURTH MEETING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT DOWN FOR NEXT TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR TO DISCUSS THE INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES AND AMENDMENTS. SO I HAVE FAITH IN YOU GUYS THAT WE'LL GET THROUGH THIS ONE QUICKLY. SO THE FIRST ONE IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE FUEL GAS. SO WE MIMIC THIS, UH, AMENDMENT IN THE PLUMBING CODE THAT SPECIFIES ELECTRICAL LINES SHALL NOT BE IN THE SAME DITCH WITH PLUMBING, GAS, WATER, UH, SEWER, UNLESS THEY'RE SEPARATED BY 36 INCHES. THIS IS ONE THAT WE DID HAVE TABLED FROM THE I P C. ALRIGHT. SO WE'LL JUST KEEP THAT ONE TABLED. UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS A CHANGE IN THE FUEL GAS CODE TO 3 0 7 0.2. SO THIS REQUIRES THE TERMINATION OF CONCEALED CONDENSATE PIPING TO BE MARKED TO INDICATE WHETHER THE PIPING IS CONNECTED TO THE PRIMARY DRAIN OR THE SECONDARY DRAIN. 3 0 7 2. BRING THAT UP. WE'RE RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO ADOPT THIS AS WRITTEN AND THESE ARE FOR, UH, FUEL BURNING APPLIANCES. SO OUR CONDENSATE, UH, GEORGE , OUR CONDENSATES OFF TA UH, TANKLESS WATER HEATERS ARE GONNA BE A PART OF THAT. I DIDN'T BRING MY FUEL GAS CODE. YOU DO YOU HAVE THAT? WE DO. WE HAVE IT UP HERE. THE CHANGE, UM, IS IN BLUE, STARTS WITH THE TERMINATION OF CONCEALED CONDENSATE. CAN YOU SEE THAT? WHAT THEY'RE ASKING IS, I GUESS WHEREVER THE TIE IN IS OR WHEREVER IT'S COMING FROM, JUST TO BE IDENTIFIED IF IT'S A PRIMARY OR SECONDARY, UH, UH, DRAIN ON THAT. SO YOU WANT TO LABEL IT. IT'S ASKING TO LABEL ALL OUR CONDENSATE LINES BASICALLY, UH, AT THAT POINT OF TERMINATION. UH, YES. IDENTIFICATION OF THE PRIMARY SECONDARY, AND IT DOES SAY THE TERMINATION OF CONCEALED CONDENSATE. YEAH. SO ALL FUEL GAS, I MEAN ALL FUEL BURNING APPLIANCES. APPLIANCES, YES. THAT HAVE CONDENSATE OR CAN GENERATE CONDENSATE LIKE A TANKLESS. , I MEAN, TANKLESS INSIDE THE HOME. THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS ON THE EXTERIOR, BUT WE, WE DON'T ID T TMPS WE DON'T, ID PAN DRAINS. WHY DO WE NEED, WHY ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR CONDENSATE? THE PLUMBING IS JUST GONNA FALL TANK. OKAY. AND IT DOES SPECIFY FOR CONCEALED PIPING. WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE WALL. SO ARE YOU THINKING YOU WANT IT LABELED LIKE YOUR GAS, HIGH PRESSURE GAS, UH, WATER, ALL THAT STUFF. THOSE KIND OF LABELS. [02:35:01] YOUR CONDENSATE USUALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH EXPOSED PIPE AT TERMINATION. ONCE LABEL, THEY'RE GONNA PAY OVER IT KIND OF VAGUE. I MEAN, IT JUST AIN'T IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THAT TAPE WAS, ISN'T GONNA BE CONNECTED TO A PRIMARY OR A SECONDARY DRAIN. IT'S GONNA GO OUTSIDE, SO IT'S GONNA BE EXPOSED. SO AT THAT POINT IT WOULDN'T. YEP. BUT IT'S NOT DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN APPLIANCES THAT HAVE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY. IT'S SAYING PRIMARY OR SECONDARY. JUST TO DISTINGUISH. SO THAT ONE SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING AC GUY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, I THINK COULD YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT WOULD BE APPLIED LIKE IN A SITUATION? MIKE MORALES? UM, THE ONLY ONE I COULD THINK OF IS, IS A TANKLESS UNIT AND FOR IT TO BE CONCEALED. YEAH. BUT THE MANUFACTURER WON'T LET YOU TIE THOSE IN. I DON'T THINK PER MANUFACTURER TO A SECONDARY OR A PRIMARY. THOSE GOTTA BE BY THEMSELVES. LIKE WE FEED 'EM OUT. THERE'S TIMES WHERE PEOPLE HADN'T PUT 'EM IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE'VE TRIED TO TIE 'EM INTO LIKE A PAN DRAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I REALLY COULDN'T. I REALLY COULDN'T. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF APPLIANCE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DETERMINATION OF CONCEALED. SO IF YOU OPEN UP A WALL AND YOU SEE A CONDENSATE LINE TIED INTO THE TUB OVERFLOW, WHAT IS IT? I JUST DON'T SEE IT. IT IT'S SAYING CONCEALED. YEAH. THAT MEANS IN THE WALL. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE TANKERS REALLY DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY STUFF OUTSIDE. RIGHT? NOT ALWAYS. AND ONTO YOUR, UH, NOT ALWAYS. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU GOT I JUST DID, I JUST DID A BIG HOUSE AND IT WAS TWO TANKLESS INSIDE THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE. YEAH, I COULD SEE WHERE BUT WHERE DID THEY DIS THEY HAD TO DISCHARGE THAT TO THE OUTSIDE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I CAN'T RE IT HAD TO BE DISCHARGE. HEY JOE, WILL YOU USE YOUR MIC FOR US? WE WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU. USE YOUR MIC. YEAH. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT WE DID THE, UH, DISCHARGE, BUT THERE WAS TWO TANKLESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE. DO YOU GUYS WANNA TABLE THIS? WELL, IT SAYS A TERMINATION. ARE THEY, THE POINT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO TIE INTO THE SANITARY SEWER IS, IS IF IT'S CONCEALED, THAT MEANS THEY'RE NOT DRAINED TO THE ATMOSPHERE. THEY'RE DRAINED INTO A SANITARY SEWER OR SOMETHING. A SANITARY CONNECTION. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY BIG DEAL TO ME. I GUESS I, I GUESS IT SHOULD BE IN THE FUEL GAS CODE FOR THE PLUMBERS. 'CAUSE WE GET OUT ON PROJECTS AND AC GUYS WANT US TO RUN THEIR DRAINS. AND SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE. BUT WE, THAT, THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO NOW ID THAT LINE NOW. SO AT THE POINT CONCEALED, YEAH, I COULD SEE ON THE MAINTENANCE END WHERE IT WOULD HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS LINE IS. BUT YOU WOULD ALWAYS ASSUME IF IT'S A THREE QUARTER LINE TYING INTO A TUB OVERFLOW, IT'S SOMETHING NOT, IT IS NOT PLUMBING. IT'S SOMEBODY WHO BROUGHT IT IN. SO, UH, I GUESS, UH, I, I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S REALLY BROUGHT UP TO BE HONEST. YEAH, I DON'T SEE IT BEING UTILIZED DOWN HERE. MAYBE SOMETHING UP NORTH. BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING DOWN HERE, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. I MEAN, I'M FINE. I, I'M NOT REAL KEEN ON WANTING TO AMEND THE FUEL GAS CODE MUCH . OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SO THE NEXT ITEM [02:40:01] IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 4 0 1 0.5. SO WE JUST ADD THE REQUIREMENT TO IDENTIFY THE MEDIUM PRESSURE PIPING SYSTEMS WITH, UH, THAT LANGUAGE THERE. WARNING ONE TO FIVE P S I GAS PRESSURE, DO NOT REMOVE YOU GUYS GOOD. KEEPING THAT? YEAH. YEP. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS AMENDMENT TO 4 0 3. OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 4 0 3 0.4 0.2 FOR STEEL. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT, UM, THAT IT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE HOUSE BILL. WE'RE BRINGING THAT ONE UP NOW. SO IT JUST, UH, WE REQUIRE SCHEDULE 40 WHERE SCHEDULE 10 IS ALLOWED. YES. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD, UH, TO REMOVE THAT ONE. NEXT ITEM IS A TO 4 0 3 0.5 0.5 FOR CORRUGATED STAINLESS STEEL TUBING. WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT, UM, AS IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NEEDED AS IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED IN THE CODE. I'LL BRING THAT ONE UP. ARE THEY NOW REQUIRING THAT IN THE CODE TO BE SLEEVED UNDERGROUND OR NO, THE C S S T, I THINK THAT WAS BROUGHT IN WHENEVER, UH, THEY HAD JUST LIKE THE YELLOW C S S T THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN HOUSES AND NOW IT'S GOT LIKE THE POLY, NOW ALL OF IT YOU SEE IS BLACK AND IT HAS THE POLY ON IT. OH, YOU'RE, IS THAT WHAT IT'S IN REGARDS TO? YOU'RE TALKING THE JACKET ON IT? YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S IN THE CODE, IN, IN STRIKING IT FROM THE HOUSE BILL. IS THAT WHERE THAT CAME FROM? YEAH, LAST TIME WE MADE A CODE BASICALLY REQUIRING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO USE THE ARC RESISTANT JACKET COATED SYSTEM IN THERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T AT THE TIME IN THE CODE. BUT NOW IF IT'S IN THE CODE BOOK, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, CRYSTAL? YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD COME UP WITH. I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. WE'LL REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 4 0 3 POINT 10.6. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS ONE THAT REQUIRES WELDED JOINTS BE COMPLETED BY A CERTIFIED PIPE WELDER. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT ONE? YEAH. OKAY. THE NEXT TWO ITEMS, UM, WE'RE ADDED IN THE CODE TO 4 0 4 0.2 0.1. UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, REMOVE THOSE, UH, BASED ON THE HOUSE BILL REQUIREMENT AND BRING THAT THOSE SECTIONS UP. MIKE MORALES CRYSTAL, DO WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE METER LOOP OR COULD WE, I KNOW IT'S AN APPROVED MATERIAL, BUT TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THAT, TO HAVE A RIGID METER LOOP, IS THERE ANY WORKAROUND ON THAT ONE? THESE NEXT TWO? I, I, I AGREE BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING GUYS, IS THAT THEY HAVE TO ALLOW ANY APPROVED MATERIAL, WHICH C S S T IS AN APPROVED MATERIAL, BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT ON YOUR EXTERIOR WALLS AND YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT GOING OUT TO YOUR METER LOOP. SO I STRIKE NOT TO REMOVE SEVEN AND EIGHT ON THERE. AND THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS THAT HARD PIPING'S GONNA BE ON YOUR EXTERIOR WALLS GOING DOWN OR INSIDE THE WALLS WHERE THEY CAN'T BE HIT BY NAILS. SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, C S S T IS USED THROUGHOUT THE ATTIC AND OPEN SPACES, AND THEN WE'RE USING HARD PIPE ON EXTERIOR WALLS. AND THEN AT THE METER LOOP TOO, IF WE REMOVE THESE, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT C S S T IS ALLOWED ON EITHER AREAS THERE, SO I STRIKE TO NOT, UH, HAVE 'EM REMOVED MIKE MORALES. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE DISAPPROVING THE MATERIAL, BUT ALSO SAYING WHERE THESE MATERIALS CAN BE USED. UH, SINCE MEGA PRESS IS GETTING REAL POPULAR, ARE WE GONNA ALLOW MEGA PRESS ON METER LOOPS? MY GUYS? THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. AND I MAKE 'EM KNOW IT'S SCREW PIPE ONLY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE SHOULD BE SOME IN THE FUTURE MAYBE CONSIDERATION FOR STIPULATING THAT THAT METER LOOP BE SCREW PIPE, NOT MEGA PRESS. AGAIN, WE HAVE EXPOSED PIPE IN ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE RIGID [02:45:02] I THINK WOULD BE, I THINK OKAY. INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEBODY COME VANDALIZE, UH, A METER LOOP THAT'S FLEXIBLE OR, OR, YOU KNOW, COULD BE EASILY DAMAGED. UM, I BELIEVE IF SOMETHING IS RIGID, AGAIN, IT'D BE A LITTLE HARDER TO, YOU KNOW, CAUSE ANY DAMAGE ON THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE A, A SAFETY ISSUE. I THINK AS THEY KEEP THEM, THEY ADDED ON THIS HOUSE BILL, THE 2 4, 3 9, AND THAT WAS IN DUE BECAUSE OF THE, WHENEVER I TOLD 'EM ABOUT PUTTING THAT ARC RESISTANT, THEY CAME BACK, THE MANUFACTURERS CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL BUY THIS HOUSE BILL. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TELL US THAT WE CAN'T USE THE ARC RESISTANT COATING. WE CAN STILL USE THE YELLOW STUFF. AND SO THEY'RE JUST PUTTING THAT WORDING BACK IN THERE BECAUSE I CAME BACK, I SAID, WELL, IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN YOU COULD DO IT ON EXTERIOR WALLS OR YOU COULD PUT IT ANYWHERE. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO I, I RECOMMEND KEEPING SEVEN AND EIGHT. JOSEPH, IS THERE ANY, UM, ANY HEARTBURN? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING THE MATERIAL. YOU'RE STILL PERMITTED TO USE THE MATERIAL JUST IN THIS LOCATION. YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF MEETING THE FIRST PRONG, WHICH IS ALLOWING THE MATERIAL. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS APPLYING A MORE, UH, STRINGENT, UH, BASICALLY RULE FOR, UM, FOR ITS APPLICATION IN, IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CLEAR, UM, SAFETY CONCERN. UM, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. I WOULD, I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UM, KEEP IT. UM, AND IF DOWN THE ROAD WE COME UP WITH, UH, AN ISSUE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN. BUT IF THERE'S A CLEAR SAFETY CONCERN, THEN UM, IT, IT IT'S JUST THAT, THAT, THAT SECOND PART OF, OF THE, UH, OF THE LAW ISN'T REALLY CLEAR ON, ON HOW THEY WOULD, UH, INTERPRET IT IN THIS SITUATION. I THINK SO, UM, I WOULD, YEAH, WE CAN KIND OF KEEP THE, UH, UM, KEEP, KEEP THE DEFAULT AND THEN JUST KIND OF SEE WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE ROAD. AND SPENCER RAMSDALE AGAIN, AND I DON'T THINK THE MANUFACTURERS ARE GONNA COME AFTER THE CITY ON THIS. THEY CAME AFTER, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME, WAS THAT TRYING TO PROHIBIT THEM SELLING THEIR PRODUCT, THEIR PRODUCTS CAN BE PUT INTO THE HOUSES. AND I, I DOUBT C S S T MANUFACTURERS ARE GONNA WANT THEIR PRODUCT USED AS METER LOOPS OUT THERE. SO I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA COME TO THE CITY COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. THEY KNOW HOW THE PRODUCT'S BEEN INSTALLED FOR LAST 20, 30 YEARS WITH IRON PIPE AND WHAT IT'S, IT'S DOING AND THEN HOW IT'S BEEN INTEGRATED IN WITH THAT SYSTEM AND HOW IT'S BEING INSTALLED NOW. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, FROM A MANUFACTURER TRYING TO SEE THE CITY OVER IT. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE, UH, COMMITTEE NOT APPROVING OUR RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE, UH, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. FOR SEVEN AND NINE. UH, SEVEN AND EIGHT. SO NUMBER NINE AS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 4 0 4 0.6. SO THIS AMENDMENT ADDS AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW GAS PIPING TO PEN PENETRATE A SLAB ON GRADE FOUNDATION WHERE THE INSTALLATION COMPLIES WITH 4 0 4 POINT 14. WE'RE PROPOSING TO A KEEP THAT, BRING THAT ONE UP. 4 0 4. 4 0 4 6. YEP. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT OFFICER? SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT, WHERE IT'S PERTAINING TO A SLEEVE IN THE SLAB. SPENCER? OR DID YOU FIGURE THAT ONE? I THINK IT WAS ON NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT. WE WERE TALKING WHAT THE EXTERIOR HOLDS. WE HADN'T GOT TO THAT YET. YEAH, NO, I JUST, I JUST BROUGHT UP NINE. OKAY. SO WHEN THEY MAKE A REFERENCE THAT IT'S, UH, PERTAINS TO, OR IT'S, WELL, LET ME SEE WHERE THIS, I THINK THIS IS BASICALLY LIKE IF YOU HAD A PATIO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, YOU HAD C S S T COMING THROUGH THE SLAB AND A, A SLEEVE. SO WE WOULD BE ALLOWING THAT. SO IT'S SAYING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT FOR AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD, MIKE MORALES? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT ONE? UH, YEAH, I'D, I'D SAY WE'RE, WE NEED TO KEEP THIS. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? YES. YEP. [02:50:01] ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT COUPLE, UH, 10, 11 AND 12 ARE CURRENT AMENDMENTS THAT SPECIFY, UH, TEST PRESSURE AND INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS. THAT TEST DURATION AND THE REQUIRED TEST GAUGE WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE AMENDMENTS AS WRITTEN. UH, DID MARK TABLE ONE OF THE, UH, THE, THAT OTHER DISCUSSION ON GAGE OR DID HE ACCEPT THAT? UH, I THINK WE DID TABLE THAT GREG HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT. WELL, I MEAN, WELL THAT SHOULD CHANGE OUR TEST PRESSURES AND NO, THIS IS A DIFFERENT, HE'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE TYPES OF GAUGES TO USE. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO HOW LONG WE, WE HAVE THE TEST HELD ON THEM. SO, WELL THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS. THINK SO. ONE MY BROTHERS THAT WAS ON THE GAUGES USED FOR PRESSURES OVER A HUNDRED, PRESSURES UNDER A HUNDRED AT TWO, UH, ONE INCREMENTS. THAT'S WHERE THE CLASS ONE A'S CAME FROM. UH, MARK WAS REFERENCING THOSE GAUGES COMING BACK ON THE FUEL GAS CODE. LIKE KRISTA WAS SAYING, THIS, UH, COMES DOWN TO TEST GAUGES, UH, THE P S I DURATIONS OF THE TEST. UM, SO YEAH, IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THE TEST GAUGES ON THE LAST, UM, MEETING. WELL, I THINK WE MIMIC THIS AMENDMENT IN THE I P C, RIGHT? FOR TEST GAUGES THAT AMENDMENT 4 0 6 0.4 0.3. 'CAUSE IT DOES SPECIFY TEST GAUGE SHALL BE A GRADE ONE A OR BETTER. YES. AND THOSE ARE THAT ONE, UH, ONE INCREMENT GAUGES PRETTY MUCH JUST SAYING THIS IS THE GAUGE TO USE. UH, THE CODE IS SAYING YOU NEED TO USE THIS GAUGE WITH TWO OR LESS INCREMENTS ON THERE AND THE CLASS ONE A'S AT ONE INCREMENT. WELL, IF, IF WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THIS OPEN FOR MARK TO DISCUSS. SO YOU WANT TO JUST, UH, I GUESS WE'LL KEEP 12 TABLED AND GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT 10 AND 11. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. RECOMMENDATION TO TABLE NUMBER 12. AND WE WILL KEEP THE AMENDMENTS, UH, IDENTIFIED IN 10 AND 11. SO 13 IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 4 0 9 0.5 FOR APPLIANCE SHUTOFF VALVES. THIS AMENDMENT STATES, UH, IT ELIMINATES ALLOW ONES TO HAVE THE SHUTOFF VALVE AT A MANIFOLD. SO THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS IN THE CODE AND WE JUST, UM, ELIMINATED THE ONE OPTION. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UH, MANIFOLD OR WE RUN A MANIFOLDS AND GAS NOW, OR IS THAT LOW PRESSURE? YEAH, HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEMS. THEY PUT C S S T AND THEY'LL PUT A REGULATOR ON IT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A ISSUE WITH THIS PUTTING THE CUTOFFS, BUT THE ONLY TIME I RUN INTO NEEDING CUTOFFS AT THE MANIFOLD WOULD BE LIKE LANTERNS. LANTERNS ARE REALLY HARD TO GET CUTOFFS TO 'EM WITHIN THEIR WALLS THAT THEY HAVE FOR 'EM. AND SO WE'LL USUALLY PUT 'EM AT THE MANIFOLD ITSELF. BUT I THINK BY CODE, WHAT IS IT? LIKE YOU'RE, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT MORE THAN EIGHT FEET OR, I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE CODE, SIX FOOT, SIX FOOT FROM IT ANYWAY, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY ANYWAYS. YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, I END UP HAVING TO PUT CUTOFFS ON LANTERNS OUTSIDE AND WE HAVE TO BUILD ACCESS PANELS FOR 'EM AND IT GETS REAL UGLY. BUT, UH, I, I DON'T, I THINK I'M FINE WITH IT THERE WITH THIS GUYS GOOD. KEEPING THAT AMENDMENT. YEAH. OKAY. MIKE MORALE. SO, YEAH, UH, THE MANIFOLDS REALLY HAVEN'T COME OUT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. WELL, YOU HAVE YOUR HIGH PRESSURE SYSTEMS, BUT, UM, THE, THE MANIFOLD CUTOFF SYSTEM ISN'T THAT BIG HERE, SO, OKAY. WE WILL KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. SO THE LAST ONE, YOU GUYS, NUMBER 14. THIS WAS JUST A CHANGE IN THE 2021 FOR VENTING SYSTEM TERMINAL CLEARANCES. UH, I, THIS IS WASN'T A BIG CHANGE, JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THEY HAVE. UM, THEY'VE PUT ALL THOSE CLEARANCE DISTANCES IN A TABLE AND ADDED A FIGURE TO THE 2020 ONES. SO NOT, AGAIN, DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS A BIG CHANGE, BUT JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION 'CAUSE IT SHOWS, UH, LIKE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. UM, 5 0 3 8 AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN. WE'LL BRING IT UP REAL QUICK SO YOU [02:55:01] GUYS CAN SEE. OH THREE EIGHT. WELL I BELIEVE THIS DIAGRAM IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT, UH, UH, MANUFACTURERS SUGGESTED LOCATIONS FOR WALL OR THROUGH WALL LOCATIONS ON VENTING. SO, UH, IT'S FINE WITH ME. OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THAT. ADOPT IS WRITTEN. AGAIN, NOT A BIG CHANGE. JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. OKAY. SO FOR THE FUEL GAS CODE AND AMENDMENTS, WE'VE TABLED ITEM ONE AND 12 TO TALK ABOUT NEXT MEETING. THOSE ALIGN WITH OTHER I P C AMENDMENTS WE'VE TABLED. SO NOW IF YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ADOPT OTHER CHANGES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY. SO I NEED A MOTION TO, UH, ACCEPT THESE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, PROVI OR SENT TO US FROM THE CITY EXCEPT FOR THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN TABLED ONE AND 12. THIS IS ROBERT JONES, UM, POWERPOINT. THIS IS ROBERT JONES. I MAKE A, A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE ITEMS, UM, RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY, UH, ONE THROUGH 14 EXCEPT FOR ONE AND 12, WHICH WERE TABLED FOR THE NEXT MEETING. MS. JILL, LES, I SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. GREAT JOB YOU GUYS. THAT GOT US THROUGH AGENDA ITEM FOUR. UH, WE DIDN'T GET TO AGENDA ITEM FIVE, SO THAT WAS, UM, DISCUSSION OF THE I R C AS IT PERTAINS TO PLUMBING. SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ADOPTING THE I R C, UM, IN ALL OF THE I R C CHAPTERS. UH, RIGHT NOW WE ONLY A ADOPT LIKE P 29 0 4. SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THAT NEXT TIME, GOING THROUGH ANY MAJOR CHANGES. UH, AND, AND JUST MAKING SURE, UM, THE I R C PLUMBING SECTIONS ALIGN WITH, UH, WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. SO DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY TO ADOPT A PLUMBING SECTIONS OF THE I R C? YOU DON'T HAVE, WE'RE NOT MAKING A MOTION, IT WAS JUST ANY DISCUSSION. OKAY. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD LOOKING AT ADOPTING ALL OF THOSE SECTIONS. SO THE NEXT AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER SIX WAS TO TALK ABOUT THE LICENSING REGULATIONS. SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THESE SECTIONS IN OUR CHAPTER 10, UM, FOR IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND IRRIGATORS AND STATE LICENSE, UM, MASTER PLUMBERS. UM, REALLY THIS IS JUST TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE FULL BOARD. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ALIGNING ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR REGISTRATION, UM, FOR ALL OF THE TRADES, UH, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT FOR PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL AS WELL. LIKE REALLY, UH, REFERENCING BACK TO THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT YOU GUYS GO THROUGH NOW. SO THAT WAS JUST TO, TO BRING UP FOR DISCUSSION, GIVE YOU GUYS A HEADS UP THAT, THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT MORE IN DEPTH WITH YOU GUYS. SO THAT GETS US THROUGH ALL OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS. AND JUST BECAUSE WE [ Director's Report  ] ARE BROADCASTING AND RECORDING, I WANNA BRING UP, UM, THAT WE DO HAVE, UM, A WEBSITE WHERE WE ARE POSTING THESE UPDATES AS WE DISCUSS WITH YOU GUYS. WE'RE POSTING THE SPREADSHEET AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE, UM, AND A DRAFT COPY OF OUR AMENDMENT. SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WE'RE UPDATING THE CHAPTER 10, UM, TO REFLECT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE. AND THIS IS A WEBSITE WHERE THE RECORDINGS CAN BE, UH, VIEWED IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE SLEEPING AT NIGHT. AND ANY STAFF, UH, ANY COMMENTS TO STAFF, UH, CAN BE EMAILED TO B R FCA AAB@SANANTONIO.GOV. UM, AND THAT'S FOR ANYBODY [03:00:01] WATCHING OR, UM, OUR AUDIENCE MEMBERS. THAT'S HOW THEY CAN PRESENT POTENTIAL CODE CHANGES THAT WOULD BRING FORWARD TO YOU GUYS FOR DISCUSSION. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? GREAT JOB PUSHING THROUGH EVERYTHING TODAY. FABULOUS. WE MAY NOT NEED THAT FOURTH MEETING, UM, THAT WE HAD PUT ON THE BOOKS. SO, UH, LOOKING TO JUST REVISIT THOSE HANDFUL OF ITEMS AT OUR, AT OUR MEETING NEXT WEEK. ROBERT, WE HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US. WE NEED, WE NEED, UH, NUMBERS. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GEORGE, IF YOU WANNA MOTION TO ADJOURN. OKAY. I WILL NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THIS IS ROBERT JONES. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. MS. JOE LALES. I SECOND IT. WE ARE ADJOURNED. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.