* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD AFTERNOON, [00:00:01] JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. TODAY IS MARCH 17TH, 2022. THIS IS THE THIRD MEETING OF THE ELECTRICAL CODE COMMITTEE FOR THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD TO REVIEW THE CODES FOR ADOPTION. WE'LL START WITH OUR INTERPRETATION VIDEO. ALRIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'LL [ Roll Call  ] DO A ROLL CALL. RON ECKES PRESENT. JOHN MARTIN RON COLBERTSON. PRESENT. MARK BEUS. EDWARD DEL TORO. PRESENT. GARY KUNZ. PRESENT. LIDDEL TOY PRESENT. PETE LEY. MARK ROSS PRESENT. AND MICHAEL RUST. OKAY. WE HAVE QUORUM FOR THE COMMITTEE. UH, JUST FOR RECORD KEEPING PURPOSES, ANYTIME WE DO A, A YAY OR NAY VOTE, UM, MR. KUNTZ, I BELIEVE, I'M SORRY, , GET AHEAD OF ME. UH, YEAH. MR. KUNZ IS THE ALTERNATE TO EDWARD. SO IF EDWARD'S HERE, THE BO GOES TO EDWARD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT RECEIVE ANY OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ONE AND NOBODY HERE TO DISCUSS. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO [ Approval of Minutes  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS TO VOTE AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 10TH, 2022. ELECTRICAL COMMITTEE MEETING. ALL RIGHT, RON. MR. RON CMIS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECEIVE THE MINUTES FOR APPROVAL. UH, LIDDEL TORY? I SECOND. YEAH, WHEN IT'S, YEAH, YOU GOTTA WAIT. PUSH PUSHING AND RELEASE. THERE YOU GO. LIDDEL TOY. I SECOND THE MOTION. NO, I, I MAKE THE MOTION. SECOND MARK ROSS, WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? MINUTES ARE APPROVED. UH, [ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items  ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, THIS IS IF WE EVER NEEDED IT. UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ALWAYS IS AVAILABLE TO EACH ONE OF THE COMMITTEES, AND THAT'S TO ADD OR REMOVE, UH, ADD ANY NEW MEMBERS TO HELP GET QUORUM AS NEEDED. BUT WE DON'T, I THINK, HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT AT THIS TIME, WITH THIS HOPEFULLY BEING THE LAST MEETING AND STILL BEING AT FIVE MEMBERS TOTAL. SO UNLESS COMMITTEE HAS ANY ITEM WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER THREE, I BELIEVE WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND I THINK WE ARE STILL CONTINUATION OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE 2020 AND NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE FULL BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND PILLS BOARD. AND I WILL HAND IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, CRYSTAL GONZALEZ. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, YOU GUYS. UM, WE WILL START WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD TABLED, UM, AWAITING INPUT FROM C P S. SO THAT FIRST ITEM WAS A DEFINITION, UM, FOR INTERACTIVE INVERTER. JOHN, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? NO, THE ONLY QUESTION I GUESS IS WE'RE JUST TALKING STRICTLY ABOUT THE REGULAR INVERTERS FOR A P V A Z SYSTEM. CORRECT. SOLAR PANELS. I MEAN, THAT'S, YEAH, WELL, WELL THERE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, COULD BE IN THE FUTURE, OTHER APPLICATIONS FOR INVERTERS. THE ONE THING I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON IS THIS IS SIMPLY A DEFINITION AT THE, AT THIS JUNCTURE. SO IT'S JUST ARTICLE 100 THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS A DEFINITION, BUT IT IS REFERRED TO THROUGH OTHER ARTICLES WITHIN THE N E C. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. I MEAN, NO, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? SO JUST, UH, ADOPT AS WRITTEN MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM WAS A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, THE COLOR CHANGE DISCUSSION. YEAH, JUST, UH, AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP OF A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORIES IS DURING THE LAST CODE CYCLE, WE EVALUATED THIS ONE, THERE WAS KIND OF SPLIT CONVERSATION ON THE WAY DIRECTION IT WAS HEADED. SO WE CHOSE TO LEAVE THE COLOR CODE AS WAS AND, AND TO REVISIT IT AT THIS TIME. UM, SO FAR I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY DISSENSION ON THE COLOR CODE, BUT I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY CONVERSATION THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE. SO THIS IS JOHN PETTIS, C P S ENERGY. YEAH, NO, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT AS THE SAME COLOR CODE THAT WE'VE [00:05:01] PREVIOUSLY HAD. NOW, I, I AM UNDERSTANDING IS IT FOR ALL COLOR CODES OR IS IT SPECIFIC VOLTAGE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH, SO THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD APPLY ONLY TO THE 4 82 77, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW, UH, GOING BACK TO WHAT WE HAD HAD YEARS AGO, IT WAS BROWN, ORANGE, YELLOW, WHICH IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SEE ACROSS THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY. THAT ONE OF THE DILEMMAS THAT WE ARE RUNNING INTO IS WITH THE ADVENT OF COLORED WIRING BACK WHEN THE CHANGE WAS MADE. ORIGINALLY WE'RE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK CONDUCTORS WITH USING PHASING TAPE TO, TO REPHASE AND, AND COLOR CODE THE CONDUCTORS AT THAT TIME. SINCE THEN, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, IS MORE AND MORE MANUFACTURING ENTITIES ARE COMING INTO TOWN, AND I'LL USE AS THE EXAMPLE, THEY GET PRE-WIRED MANUFACTURED ASSEMBLIES WITH FOUR 80 VOLT CABLE. IT COMES BROWN, ORANGE, YELLOW. SO NOW YOU END UP WITH A FACILITY WITH PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW AND BROWN, ORANGE, YELLOW, AND IT LEAVES THE CITY IN A, IN A SITUATION OF, OF HAVING TO ALLOW THESE TYPES OF, OF WIRING ASSEMBLIES TO BE INSTALLED WITH A DIFFERENT COLOR CODE IN PLACE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ENTERTAINING THE CHANGE. SO ORANGE ORANGE IS ONLY FOR THE 40 DELTA HIGHLIGHT? CORRECT. SO IN THE N E C, UH, THERE, THERE'S JUST A FEW COLORS THAT ARE REFERENCED. YOU HAVE WHITE AND GRAY FOR NEUTRALS, YOU HAVE GREEN FOR GROUNDS, AND THEN ORANGE FOR, FOR OLEG. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ORANGE AND THE PREVIOUS TWO, THE WHITE GRAY GREEN IS THAT, UM, ORANGE IS FOR OLE, BUT IT ISN'T DEDICATED TO HIGH LAKES. SO THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THE N E C THAT PRECLUDES US FROM USING BROWN, ORANGE, YELLOW FOR 2 77, 4 8. OKAY. SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD ALWAYS WANNA KEEP THE PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW REFERENCE. RIGHT. I MEAN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE GONE BACK, I WAS LOOKING BACK THROUGH SOME OF THE BOOKS AND IT, IT GOES BACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1986. UH, SO TO CHANGE ANYTHING FROM, AT LEAST FROM OUR SIDE GOING INTO THE POINT OF DELIVERY, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD KEEP. UM, IF YOU'RE LEAVING THAT POINT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MORE, I GUESS, OF WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY JUMP IN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE COLOR CODING BACK AND FORTH, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PLACARD. AND SO I'M TRYING TO THINK IN TERMS OF LIKE A BUS GUTTER, RIGHT? WHERE WE'RE GOING OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND IN OR IN A WIREWAY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE OUR SET OF COLORS, THEN YOU WOULD THEN BE PLACING THE, THE OTHER COLOR COATING, I GUESS. AND YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A PLACARD. IF YOU WERE IN THE WIREWAY AND WERE METERED ON THE TROUGH, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK AGAIN THE OTHER DIRECTION FOR, FOR THE METERING AGAIN. SO I DON'T, I, I SEE THIS AS BEING A BIT PROBLEMATIC, I GUESS, WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO A LOT OF THESE SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EITHER GOING BACK AND REMODELING EXISTING OR, OR AGAIN, WHERE YOU HAVE THIS BACK AND FORTH. I JUST SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY SOMEWHERE IN THERE FOR SOMEBODY TO, TO MAKE A MISTAKE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WIRING INSIDE THEIR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S A, THAT'S A PLACARD MAYBE AT ONE TIME, AT SOME POINT PAST THE, THE PIECE OF SERVICE EQUIPMENT, THE, THE MAIN SERVICE DISCONNECT AND, AND THAT CAN BE REESTABLISHED AT THAT POINT. BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD, I I'M NOT RECOMMENDING, OR I, I COULDN'T SUPPORT THAT TO CHANGE THE COLOR CODING. IS THERE A, A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT C P S WOULDN'T MAKE A SIMILAR CHANGE? NO. OKAY. NO, WE'RE, WE'RE, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT THAT HISTORY OF GOING, LIKE, I SEE THAT'S 35 YEARS BACK IN 1986 IS ONE OF THE OLDEST BOOKS THAT I FOUND PREVIOUSLY THAT, THAT STATED THAT COLOR CODING. AND SO, I MEAN, TO, TO, TO FLIP IT IN THE MIDDLE, UH, OR START SOMETHING NEW. I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING OUR CREWS OUT THERE AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YES, THEY SHOULD BE DOING THEIR CHECKS, BUT, YOU KNOW, INEVITABLY PEOPLE GET COMPLACENT. AND SO HAVING, HAVING A CHANGE IN THERE, I THINK IS JUST GONNA, IT'S GONNA LEAD TO THE POTENTIAL HAZARD THAT THEY MIGHT GET THEMSELVES INTO. SURE. ANY ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? RON? THIS IS VALERIE GLEASON. UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I THINK ALSO THAT, THAT JOHN HAD RAISED AND WE HAD KIND OF DISCUSSED WAS, UM, AS HE SAID IN THE BUS GUTTER, THE SEC, THE FACT THAT THE SECTION ALLOWS FOR MAINTAINING THE COLOR CODING THAT'S IN THE BUILDING. I CERTAINLY, THE SITUATION OF TOYOTA, MAYBE WE HAD A SPECIAL CASE LIKE THAT WE COULD ALLOW THE BUILDING WIRING TO MEET WHATEVER THE, THE EQUIPMENT IS IN THERE. BUT THE CONCERN IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THEN WE COME BACK AND CHANGE IT, AND WE STILL HAVE TO TRY TO MATCH WHAT'S IN THAT BUILDING. I FIND THE PLACARDS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC. YEAH, I WOULD, THAT'S JUST FROM, FROM MY SIDE OF IT, SO, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO ON, ON THIS ONE, [00:10:01] IT, UH, SOUNDS LIKE THEN THE BEST, BEST APPROACH TAKE COMING FORWARD TO, UH, MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL STAKEHOLDERS IS TO LEAVE THE COLOR CODE PURPLE, BROWN. Y'ALL ARE JUST, JUST THE WAY WE HAVE IT IN THE AMENDMENT, JUST LEAVE IT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT TO, UH, LEAVE, KEEP THE AMENDMENT AS IS. RIGHT. THAT'S HOW WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. ON, UH, LIDDEL TOY, JUST ONE QUESTION, RON, ON LAKE NEW CONSTRUCTION, MOVING FORWARD WITH NEW BUILDINGS COMING IN, VALERIE, YOU CAN PIPE IN ANY TIME. DO YOU THINK, LIKE, LIKE WITH TOYOTA, WOULD IT BE, UM, FEASIBLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, NOT, I, I WOULDN'T SAY AMENDMENT, BUT A NOTIFICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION THAT ORANGE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE? OR WOULD THAT STILL HAVE TOO MUCH LOOPHOLE IN IT FOR DISCREPANCY? I THINK CERTAINLY SOMETHING ON A SPECIAL CASE LIKE THAT. 'CAUSE I DO REMEMBER GETTING CALLED ABOUT THAT QUESTION, UM, THAT, HEY, WE'VE GOT PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW, BUT YET THE, THE LIGHT AND THE, THE LISTED EQUIPMENT IS ALREADY MARKED WITH THIS OTHER COLOR COATING. AND IS IT OKAY OR DO WE HAVE TO REMARK WHAT'S IN THE EQUIPMENT? AND OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA GO THAT FAR DOWN. YEAH, I THINK ON THE NEW BUILDINGS, IF WE STAY WITH THE, WITH THE PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY IT WOULD GO. BUT WE COULD CONSIDER A CASE BY CASE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ANY CONCERN WITH, UH, MAINTAINING THE CURRENT COLOR CODE? PURPLE, BROWN, YELLOW? I MEAN, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS, IS THAT EVERY, EVERY CITY AROUND SAN ANTONIO ADOPTS THE CODE, DOESN'T MAKE A CHANGE. AND SO PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN DIFFERENT LOCALITIES OR 23 MUNICIPALITIES ARE GONNA GET CONFUSED AND, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A BIG CONCERN? AND I'M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN, SO, BUT WHERE YOU HAVE A COLOR THAT, YOU KNOW, PURPLE TO BROWN AND BROWN TO ORANGE, AND SOMEBODY HAS BEEN WORKING OUTSIDE THE CITY COMES AND WORKS INSIDE THE CITY AND THINGS BROWN, YOU KNOW, DOES SOMETHING ELSE. HOW MUCH A CONCERN IS THAT TO THE ELECTRICAL COMMUNITY? SO, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN, IN OTHER KIND, TALKING TO SOME OTHER FOLKS IN THE INDUSTRY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THIS COLOR CODE ADOPTION. I THINK AUSTIN HAS THE SAME, I THINK HOUSTON HAS THE SAME, UH, KIND OF COLOR CODING FOR THAT, FOR THAT FOUR 80 VOLT. SO, I MEAN, YES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY I THINK THAT HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT COLOR COATINGS, BUT ONCE THEY GET INTO THIS REGION, I GUESS IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING THE AREA FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THEY GET KIND OF FAMILIARIZED WITH WHAT GOES ON AS, AS A, AS A, AS A NORM OR AS THE, AS THE STANDARD FOR THOSE AREAS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, BUT YOU DO BRING UP A GOOD POINT. AND ANOTHER POINT PROBABLY TO, TO SWITCHING IT AS WELL. I MEAN, IN OUR, IN OUR ELECTRIC SERVICE STANDARD BOOK THAT WE JUST ADOPTED, I THINK WE EVEN SHOW COLOR CODING ALL THE WAY TO THE, THE CUSTOMER'S DISCONNECT, RIGHT? SO IN DOING SO NOW WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT, WHAT IS BEING PRACTICED WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, A LOT OF THE OTHER UTIL THE OTHER SUBURBAN CITIES, RIGHT? NOT EVEN JUST BRINGING OTHER PEOPLE IN, BUT OTHER UTILITIES, UM, UNIVERSAL CITIES, SELMA SHIRTS, ALL THOSE OTHER AREAS WOULD, WOULD KIND OF HAVE TO THEN CHANGE OR STAY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD EVEN POSE MORE OF A PROBLEM IF WE CHANGED IT HERE VERSUS, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. THE BEDROOM COMMUNITIES AROUND SAN ANTONIO WERE ALL IN THE PURPLE COLOR. OKAY. THEN I THINK YOU JUST LEAVE IT. YEAH. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAD TABLED WAS 42 FOR SURGE PROTECTION, BUT TO BE, UM, RESPECTFUL OF JOHN'S TIME, CAN WE JUMP TO 45 THAT WE HAD TABLED MM-HMM. ? SURE. SO THAT'S TWO 30 POINT 82, WHERE'S THAT AT? IN THE TWO 30? SO AS, AS A, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, DOES ANYONE KIND OF GIVE A, AN EXAMPLE OR POINT OF REFERENCE WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO ON THIS PARTICULAR SCENARIO THAT THEY'RE SEEING OR QUESTIONING? [00:15:02] VALERIE, DID YOU WANNA GIVE SOME INSIGHT FROM YOU? KIND OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN RUNNING INTO, ESPECIALLY IN LARGE SWITCHBOARDS AND SWITCHGEAR, UH, MAKING LINE SIDE TAPS FOR THESE DISTRIBUTED GENERATION SYSTEMS. OKAY. UH, THIS WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO INSERT, UH, TO KEEP THOSE OUT OF THERE, UH, IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. SO, SO IN, IN THE BIGGER CONTEXT, UH, I THINK, AND SO, OKAY, NOW I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT AND MAYBE 40, 45 AND SIX TOGETHER HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL INSTALLATIONS FOR DG, RIGHT? WANNA MAKE THOSE INTERCONNECTIONS IN THE, ON THE BUS, IF YOU WILL, OF THE MAIN SERVICE DISCONNECT. UM, AND KIND OF HOW WE WERE HANDLING SOME OF THOSE WITH, WITH THE CITY WAS IF THEY GET THE MANUFACTURER OF THE EQUIPMENT TO RE-LIST THEIR EQUIPMENT TO MAKE THIS AN APPROVED METHOD OF TAPPING AND FOR THAT PARTICULAR FUNCTION OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, AND THEY ACCEPT IT TO GIVE US A WRITTEN LETTER, PROVIDE A WRITTEN LETTER, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE A H J SIGN OFF ON THAT BEING ACCEPTABLE TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF TAPS. UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO THAT, THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO DO IT, LET'S JUST SAY IF THE MANUFACTURER WAS, WAS UNABLE TO, OR, OR, UM, EVEN IF THEY WERE IN BUSINESS ANYMORE, UH, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THEM RE-LIST THE EQUIPMENT FOR, AGAIN, FOR THAT TYPE OF INTERCONNECTION AND FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UM, UH, APPLICATION THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WERE HANDLING, UH, THOSE. AND THERE HAS BEEN JUST A RARE INSTANCE, I THINK, WHAT MAYBE 2, 2, 2 OF THOSE THAT HAVE COME UP. BUT WE KNOW THAT IF THERE'S TWO, THERE MAY BE MORE COMING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WERE, WE WERE APPROACHING THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM OR SCENARIO. SO DO, DO YOU FEEL THAT THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THEN ADDRESSES, UH, C P S ENERGY'S CONCERNS IN THAT REGARD? UH, I, I BELIEVE SO. I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, POSING IT TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION OF, OF WHAT THEY THINK IN THEIR, IN THEIR ESTIMATION OF, OF SEEING THESE TYPE OF INSTALLATIONS OUT THERE, OR MODIFICATIONS OF THE EQUIPMENT, UM, WHEN, WHEN THAT COMES INTO PLAY. YEAH. SO IF, IF WE'RE RECEIVING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND MAKING FIELD MODIFICATIONS TO IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LISTING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE BE OUTSIDE THE LISTING, CORRECT. AND SPEC SPECIFICALLY FOR DG, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING ANOTHER POWER SOURCE INTO THAT PARTICULAR DEVICE AND, YOU KNOW, HAS IT BEEN LOOKED AT AND THE CALCULATIONS RUN FOR, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TWO POWER SOURCES TO BE INTERCONNECTED ON THE SAME BUS, UH, DRILLING HOLES IN THE BUS. SO DOES THAT SOMEHOW WEAKEN OR, OR, UM, DIMINISH THE, THE BUS'S, UH, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL INSTALLATION OR CALCULATIONS? YEAH. SO I, IN, IN THAT REGARD, IT, I BELIEVE THAT THAT, UH, ENSURING THAT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS DON'T HAPPEN WITH, WITHOUT A VERY INTENTIONAL REVIEW PROCESS IN PLACE IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO AVOID. SO DO YOU GUYS AGREE THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD SATISFY THAT? WOULD THIS, WOULD THIS PRECLUDE, I'M SORRY, , WOULD THIS PRECLUDE, UH, CONNECTING IN A, THE SERVICE EQUIPMENT MAIN PANEL OR MAIN SWITCHBOARD? BECAUSE YOU MIGHT OFTEN HAVE, UM, THAT INVERTER FROM THE SOLAR COMING INTO THAT MAIN PANEL INTO A FEEDER BREAKER, AND I'VE, I'VE SEEN INSTALLS LIKE THAT. NO, THE INSTALLING IT ON A, ON A SERVICE PANEL, AGAIN, YOU STILL HAVE THE OVER CURRENT PROTECTION AVAILABLE AT THAT, AT THAT, USUALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LOAD SIDE INTERCONNECTION OF A, OF A INVERTER OR A SOLAR SYSTEM. YEAH. YEAH. SO, SO YOU STILL HAVE THAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS ON, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, I I'M THINKING MORE IN THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, YOU BRING UP A, YOU, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT, UM, BECAUSE IN A RESIDENTIAL SITUATION, THERE REALLY WOULDN'T BE THAT AVAILABILITY OF, OF SPACE, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT? UM, I THINK BEFORE THERE WAS SOME COMMENT MADE, UM, FROM SOME INSTALLERS TO USE PIERCING LUGS OR PIERCING TAPS, SORRY. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T WANNA DO BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT WEAKENS THE, THE SERVICE WIRE COMING INTO THERE. AND SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A, A VIABLE OPTION, EVEN THOUGH THE N E C DOES RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS MORE IN THE COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, LARGE MAIN SWITCHBOARD PANELS THAT HAVE BUSES AND THINGS THAT ARE RUNNING WITHIN INSIDE THE EQUIPMENT. AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO MAKE THESE TAPS. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT'S, UH, CLARIFYING. SO UNDERSTAND, BET. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? [00:20:04] SO HEARING NONE, I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD WITH THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE FROM, FROM CITY. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. AND THAT'S FOR 45 AND 46? OR SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT 46 MORE IN DEPTH? I WOULD PROPOSE FOR, IT'S FOR BOTH 45 AND 46. OKAY. UNLESS THERE'S ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, I . SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD TABLED UNTIL WE HAD C P S INPUT. VALERIE, GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THE SECTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK THAT, UH, THAT WE POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE INPUT FROM OR WANT INPUT FROM C P SS ON THOSE CHANGES? I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SO I MEAN, ARTICLE SIX 90, UH, WHEN IT CAME TO PV HAD SOME THINGS, THERE ARE EXTENSIVE CHANGES IN THAT ARTICLE. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, UM, IF WE RUN ACROSS A PROBLEM THAT'S SOMETHING CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH C P S TO THE COMMITTEE. DID YOU GUYS SEE ANYTHING THAT, THAT MAY BE QUESTIONABLE? OKAY, SO WE CAN GO BACK TO ITEM 42 THAT WE HAD TABLED FOR SURGE PROTECTION. WERE WE, VALERIE, WERE WE ABLE TO GET SOME PRICING ON THESE OR, BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY HAD THROWN OUT $54. I HAVE THAT ON MY PREVIOUS NOTES. UH, PRETTY MUCH. NO, I HADN'T HAD MORE TIME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THE ONE THAT I, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT ONE OF THE SENIOR INSPECTORS FOUND WAS FOR A RESIDENTIAL SERVICE, AND THEY'RE ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SERVICE BREAKER. I HAVE SEEN THOSE INSTALLED IN INSPECTIONS THAT I'VE BEEN MAKING. UM, TODD BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT WE DO SEE THE T V S SS ON THE LARGE SERVICES, AND I BELIEVE WITH A METER IN THE MAIN FOR A METER MOD, UM, AND NOT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL BREAKER. SO I THINK THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD WORK. THAT COST, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'D ALSO DON'T SEE IT BEING ON EVERY SINGLE ONE, SO. YEAH. WELL I, AND I KNOW TYPICALLY ON, ON LARGER SERVICES, ESPECIALLY IN, AT LEAST IN, UH, NEW, NEW INSTALLATIONS, OOPS. UM, WE, WE END UP IN, IN A SITUATION WHERE THE, THE T V S S IS, IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE EQUIPMENT. AND SO IT FALLS UNDER THE LISTING IS INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH NOT ONLY WITH WITH N E C, BUT ALSO THEN WITH THE NEMA REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. AND THIS WOULD BE MOUNTED WITH THE PANEL OUTSIDE. THE ONES I'VE SEEN ARE ACTUALLY IN THE SERVICE PANEL. MM-HMM. , THEY WERE ACTUALLY, UH, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY DOING IT. SO, SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE APPLICATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE SEARCH PROTECTOR NEEDS TO BE, I ASSUME RESET AND YOU'RE LIKE IN A MULTI-FAMILY DEAL WHERE THERE'S COULD BE 50 METERS ALTOGETHER. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A SITUATION OF HAVING TO CALL ON, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IF THE MAIN WENT, YOU WOULD LOSE ALL OF THOSE AS WELL. YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THE ADVANTAGE IS, UM, LESSENING THE DAMAGE TO PROPERTY. UH, 'CAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP RECENTLY. ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE SENT ME SOME INFORMATION, PARDON ME, FROM THE CODE MAKING PANEL AND POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT THE N E C IS PROTECTION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE, THE BACKGROUND WAS FOR THIS WITHOUT REGARDS TO COST. THEY SAID THAT'S WHAT THE CODE MAKING PANEL DID. THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER THE COST OF THIS ITEM BECAUSE IT WAS INTENDED FOR PROTECTION OF PROPERTY. YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO PUTTING IT IN. I'M JUST, THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO WOULD NORMALLY BE WITH ELECTRICITY IS GONNA BE WITHOUT ELECTRICITY, POSSIBLY FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS UNTIL SOMEBODY CAN COME OUT THERE AND PUSH A BUTTON BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE NO IDEA WHERE TO GO. I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ON A MULTI-STORY, YOU KNOW, MULTI-STORY BUILDING THAT HAS A METER BANK, THERE COULD BE A HUNDRED ELECTRIC METERS, YOU KNOW, AND I WILL TELL YOU, WHILE WE DON'T EVER LOCK THE METER WITH A LOCK, WE PUT A STRAP ON IT SO THAT THE KIDS DON'T COME AROUND AND JUST START FLIPPING OFF EVERYBODY'S BREAKER. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FROM A CUSTOMER'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA BE WORSE IF THEIR TV GETS DAMAGED OR IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A POWER SURGE THAT YOU [00:25:01] KNOW, IS ENOUGH TO TRIP THE CIRCUIT, BUT NOT REALLY ENOUGH TO HURT ANYTHING INSIDE. AND HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA REACT TO THAT? AND AS A CLARIFICATION THERE, THAT SURGE PROTECTIVE DEVICE, UH, WOULDN'T OPEN THE CIRCUIT, RIGHT? IT JUST, UH, CREATES A PATH TO GROUND FOR THOSE HIGHER SPIKES. UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, THE SURGE PROTECTOR QUITS WORKING. IT DOESN'T OPEN THE CIRCUIT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, ONCE IT GOES, IT GOES AND YOU NEED TO REPLACE IT. YEAH. THEY CONSUME ENERGY AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY FAIL. SO THAT MEANS THEY MAY BE DOWN A DAY UNTIL YOU, THE, THE ELECTRIC, THE ELECTRIC WILL STILL BE POWERED UP. IT, IT DOESN'T INTERACT AND TURN OFF ANY POWER TO THE BUILDING. IT JUST PROVIDES A KIND OF A SAFETY VALVE, IF YOU WILL. RIGHT. IT'S IN PARALLEL TO THE SERVICE, NOT IN SERIES WITH THE SERVICE. SO DOES THAT MEAN IT, IT WILL JUST, IT'LL GO BUT THE POWER IN THE UNIT STILL WORKS? CORRECT. OKAY, THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM 42 AS WRITTEN. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE JUMP TO ARTICLE 500? OKAY. SO, UM, YOU SEE THERE THAT THE NUMBERS SKIP SIGNIFICANTLY. I JUST KIND OF HID EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED AND WE AGREED ON ADOPT AS WRITTEN OR KEEP THE AMENDMENT PREVIOUSLY. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS WANNA GO BACK AND DISCUSS, UM, WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THAT UP AND DO THAT. UM, SO WE ARE AT NUMBER 180 FOR ARTICLE 500.7. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS CHANGE AS WRITTEN. ANY COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, VALERIE? ARE WE CATCHING UP WITH, WITH WHAT THIS CHANGES? PARDON ME? I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S REALLY THAT MUCH TO DISCUSS. I SAW THIS IN ALL OF THE HAZARDOUS LOCATIONS, UM, REVISIONS ON NEW PROTECTION TECHNIQUES, ALLOWANCE OF OTHER WIRING METHODS, UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT . UM, AND THERE WAS, UH, MANY REFERENCES TO, UM, THE OPTICAL RADIATION EQUIPMENT OR NEEDING PROTECTION AS WELL. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE CHANGES? LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. AS VALERIE HINTED, THE NEXT ITEM, 180 1, UM, IS FOR THOSE, IS FOR THAT OPTICAL RADIATION CHANGES TO, UM, L THROUGH O MM-HMM. NEW SECTIONS L THROUGH O, PAGE 365. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT DOES? 'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO WANNA TAKE A STAB AT IT. YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A STAB AT IT? . ALL RIGHT. SO THE THING YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WITH WHAT WITH ARTICLE 500 IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAZARDOUS CLASSIFICATIONS AND LOCATIONS. SO WHEN YOU GET INTO LIKE L FOR EXAMPLE, INHERENTLY SAFE, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THIS THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS NOW IS INHERENTLY SAFE EQUIPMENT IN REGARDS LIKE FIRE ALARM, THE ENERGY THEY PUT IN MODULES. SO AT THE ENERGY LEVEL AS IT ENTERS INTO THE 500 CLASSIFICATION AREA IS OF LOW ENOUGH VALUE THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE [00:30:01] ENOUGH ENERGY TO CREATE A, UH, AN IGNITABLE CONDITION FOR THE GAS VAPORS, FILINGS, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD BE INDICATED IN THAT AREA. SO WHEN YOU GET INTO OPTICAL RADIATION, IT'S A SIMILAR SCENARIO. THERE'S NOT AN ENERGY LEVEL THERE SUFFICIENT TO IGNITE THE, THE GASES, VAPORS, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE REGION. SO WHAT THEY'VE DONE, THE, THIS IS NEW TECHNOLOGY THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED THIS TYPE OF ENERGY SOURCE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS DOESN'T CREATE A HAZARD AND THEREFORE NEEDS TO BE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY THAN SAY A TRADITIONAL ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THAT AS WRITTEN MM-HMM. . SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION 180 2 FOR SECTION FOR ARTICLE 5 0 1, DO 1 0 5 B6 SPECIFICALLY, UH, EXCEPTION TWO. CRYSTAL, IF I MAY, UM, IT'S WASN'T, I DIDN'T READ IT CORRECTLY. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS UNLESS THE BOARD FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO. IT JUST HAS TO DO FOR INDUSTRIAL ESTA ESTABLISHMENTS AT CORD AND PLUG CONNECTION, UM, NOT HAVING TO HAVE THE CLASS ONE DIVISION TWO LISTING, BUT IT'S LIMITED AGAIN TO INDUSTRIAL ESTABLISHMENTS. RIGHT. AND YOU'LL, AND YOU'LL FIND THROUGHOUT THE N E C LOCATIONS WHERE INDUSTRIAL ESTABLISHMENTS ARE TYPICALLY LISTED AS HAVING EXCEPTIONS THAT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO RE REMEMBER IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, EVALUATION OF THE FACILITY THAT GETS TAKEN PLACE ON A REGULAR BASIS, THAT THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO DEVIATE FROM TYPICAL CODE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S SO SCRUTINIZED ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THIS ONE WE'RE TAKING OUT, WE'LL CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. RIGHT. OKAY. NUM, UH, ITEM 180 3 FOR ARTICLE 5 0 2 0.1 50 B FIVE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN MM-HMM. . SO IT'S FOR, FOR OUR BENEFIT FOR, UM, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IF WE CHOSE NOT TO ADOPT THIS ONE, WHAT THE RECENT HOUSE BILL PASSING, COULD WE EVEN DO THAT? I'M NOT SAYING WE, WE ARE WANTING TO, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IT SAYS, UH, TO FACILITATE REPLACEMENTS, PROCESS CONTROL INSTRUMENTS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE CONNECTED THROUGH FLEXIBLE CORD ATTACHMENT PLUG AND RECEPTACLE PROVIDED THAT SEVERAL CONDITIONS APPLY. IT'S IN A CLASS TWO HAZARDOUS LOCATION. RIGHT. AND THAT'S IN THE ONE, IT'S A NEW SECTION IN AN EXISTING, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE JUST, THEY JUST, JUST CURIOUS. LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST CURIOUS, I'M, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO ANYTHING WITH THIS, BUT JUST USING THIS ONE AS AN EXAMPLE, IF WE CHOSE TO, WOULD WE BE ALLOWED TO BASED ON THE OPINION? I BELIEVE SO. I, GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK. I, I, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE, LITTLE GRAY. I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE A CONFLICT, UM, BUT WE WOULD, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DESIRED, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK. YEAH. 'CAUSE BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S ADDING A WIRING METHOD AND, AND FROM PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, WIRING METHODS, WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN A STEP BACK. , JUST CURIOUS. ALRIGHT, SO AT ANY RATE, I, I BELIEVE THE CORRECT ACTION FOR US TO TAKE IS, IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY. GOOD DEAL. SO 180 4, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN. WAIT, I'M SORRY, 180 3. 180 3. I ALREADY MARKED IT OFF. 180 3, WE'LL ADOPT [00:35:01] AS WRITTEN 180 4 FOR ARTICLE 5 0 5 0.8. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT NEW SECTION I ONE AS WRITTEN. YEAH, THAT ONE'S ACTUALLY ADDING A STRICTER REQUIREMENT THAN WHAT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED. , UNLESS THERE'S ANY CONCERNS, I SAID THAT WE, THAT ONE'S GOOD TO GO ADOPT IS WRITTEN. OKAY. SO 180 4 ADOPT IS WRITTEN. SO 180 5. MOVING ON TO ARTICLE 5 0 5 0.9, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT NEW SECTION G AS WRITTEN. YES. IT'S ANOTHER SIMILAR ONE WITH THE OPTICAL RADIATION REQUIREMENT. SO IT EXTENDS IT BEYOND 500, WHICH IS THE STANDARD. WHICH IS THE STANDARD, AND THEN THE 5 0 5 GETTING INTO THE ZONES AND LOCATIONS. OKAY. 180 5, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. MOVING ON TO 180 6. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT CHANGE AS WRITTEN FOR ARTICLE 5 0 5, 15 B AND C. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. MOVING ON TO 180 7 PROTECTION TECHNIQUES IN ARTICLE 5 0 6 0.7. THOSE ARE NEW SECTIONS. J THROUGH N? YEAH, THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE LOOKED AT ALREADY FROM 500. I THINK THAT SHOULD PROBABLY SAY 5 0 6 0.8. YEAH. OKAY. WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ITEM, 180 8, ARTICLE 5 0 6 0.9. THAT'S A NEW SECTION AGAIN WITH THE OPTICAL RADIATION QUESTIONS CONCERNS. GOOD TO GO. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION, ARTICLE FIVE 13 POINT 12. SO THAT IS A CHANGE. VALERIE, YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE? SURE. UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY GOT IN KIND OF A DISCUSSION WHEN WE, WE WERE GOING OVER THIS SECTION WITH, UM, UH, PEOPLE FROM PLAN REVIEW AND ELECTRICAL STAFF AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY IS WHEN YOU GO BACK TO 2 10, 8, 2 10, I'M SORRY, TWO 10.8 B EIGHT, IF Y'ALL CONSIDER THE SERVICE BAYS AS APPLYING TO AN AIRCRAFT HANGER FOR PUR PUR PURPOSES OF G F C I PROTECTION. SO YOU KNOW HOW YOU PUT A BUNCH OF ELECTRICIANS IN THE ROOM AND ALL GET DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND WE WERE GETTING DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS MM-HMM. , SO YEAH. TO, YOU KNOW, YOU IN, IN THE NARRATIVE, YOU, YOU MM-HMM. , UH, POINT TOWARDS GARAGES, BUT IN THAT SAME SECTION OF, OF TWO 10.8 B MM-HMM. AND SIMILAR AREAS. SO THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND, AND, AND TO ME, THAT'S WHERE I GRAVITATED TO. SO HERE, RIGHT. SO ROOM FULL OF ELECTRICIANS, HERE'S MY OPINION ADDED TO THE MIX, RIGHT? ACTUALLY CRYSTAL FELT THAT WAY TOO. SO, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE WANTED A SIMILAR LOCATION, WANTED SIMILAR LOCATION. YOU AND I ARE THINKING THE SAME, WE'RE IN TROUBLE, UH, , IT'S JUST INTERPRETING THAT CODE LANGUAGE. YEAH. YOU CAN GET DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. SO LOOK, LOOKING DOWN THE LENGTH OF THE TABLE, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER INTERPRETATION THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE MIX? I, SO IF IT'S UNCLEAR TO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE MM-HMM. , WE PROBABLY SHOULD ADD LANGUAGE THAT CLARIFIES IT BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE PERSON [00:40:01] THAT'S GOING TO INTERPRET IT MM-HMM. AND THAT'S THE WORST OF ALL WORLDS WHEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ASKS THE INSPECTOR AND ONE SAYS ONE THING, ONE SAYS ANOTHER, AND THE THIRD ONE SAYS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, SO WOULD IT, AT THIS POINT, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UH, SECTION OR CLARIFICATION TO TWO 10.8 B TO INDICATE THAT SIMILAR AREAS TO INCLUDE MOTOR FUEL DISPENSING FACILITIES? WOULD THAT HELP BRING CLARITY? PROBABLY SO. AND THEN, UH, THE MOTOR FUEL DISPENSING AND THEN ALSO I BELIEVE AIRCRAFT HANGERS WERE RUNNING INTO THAT TOO. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHERE WE, WE WERE REALLY ON THE FENCE. YEAH, WELL WE WERE SPLIT ON, UH, IF THE AIRCRAFT HANGER WOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT GARAGE SERVICE BAY OR SIMILAR BECAUSE WE DO SEE THE AIRCRAFT HANGERS, UM, COME THROUGH. SO THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR A JURISDICTION. WELL, AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE AND MORE OF THAT AS WE GO TRY TO ATTRACT THOSE KIND OF REPAIR FACILITIES. AND YEAH. SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION B TO AMEND TWO, 10.8 B TO INCLUDE AIRCRAFT HANGERS, SPECIFICALLY MOTOR FUEL DISPENSING FACILITIES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE ON THE FENCE WITH THAT ONE. YEAH, THAT AND I, I STAND CORRECT. I I WAS LOOKING AT THE TOP FIVE, 13 POINT 12 AND LOOKED AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND READ THAT, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY, THAT'S THE NEXT SECTION, NOT THE CURRENT SECTION, WHICH IS AIRCRAFT HANGERS. WE CAN ADD IT IN TOO. I'M . SO ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE 'EM PUT 'EM IN OR TAKE 'EM OUT? YES, PUT 'EM IN FOR NEW. AND THEN, AND THEN HAS ANYBODY REACHED OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO DO ALL THE, UH, AIRCRAFT REPAIR WORK TO SAY IF THE PLUGS ARE ALL GROUND FAULTED PROTECTED, HOW, WHAT EFFECT DOES THAT HAVE ON THEIR EQUIPMENT BEING ABLE TO RUN IT WHEN THEY HAVE TO RUN THINGS LIKE GRINDERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT MAY TRIP? THEY'RE ACTUALLY WAS VERBIAGE TO THAT EFFECT. IT WAS JUST MORE ELABORATE AND IT HAD WHERE THE CERTAIN AREAS, WHAT WAS ADDED WAS THE TWO 50 VOLT, I BELIEVE, THE SINGLE PHASE AND THREE PHASE. RON, DO YOU THINK THAT'S THE CASE? UH, IT, IT COULD BE. THE, THE THING THAT I THINK THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO WHEN THEY DID THIS WAS NOT HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE N E C TYPICALLY DOES, IS NOT HAVE TO WRITE THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER. SO THAT WHAT THEY DID IS THEY JUST SIMPLY REFERRED BACK AND I, AND I LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE ARTICLE IN QUESTION AND ASKED MYSELF, WOULDN'T IT HAVE JUST BEEN SIMPLER? YOU ALREADY PUT LANGUAGE IN HERE TO GET YOU BACK OVER JUST TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THERE AND SAY REQUIRED AND BE DONE WITH IT. UM, BUT AS I LOOK AT AN AIRCRAFT HANGAR AND THE TYPE OF WORK THAT WOULD, WOULD BE IN UH, PERFORMED, THERE IS NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN YOUR EXAMPLE OF A GARAGE. IT'S GONNA BE VERY, VERY SIMILAR TYPE WORK. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE IGNITABLE FUMES AS A RESULT OF FUELS, OILS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN THE, IN THE HANGAR AREA. AND SO HAVING G F I G F C I PROTECTION IS IN MY OPINION, IS A GOOD AND RIGHT THING FOR US TO HAVE AND TO CREATE CLARITY TO, TO TWO 10.8 AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IN SIMILAR AREAS INCLUDING AIRCRAFT HANGERS, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A, A BIG STRETCH AND A BIG PROBLEM. AND I'D BE WILLING TO BET YOU THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE HANGERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, IF YOU WENT INTO 'EM, THEY PROBABLY HAVE G F C I PROTECTION IN 'EM NOW. AND WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A DEFINITION OF GARAGE, WHICH I THINK DOES SUPPORT THE FACT THAT, UM, THAT IT WOULD INCLUDE AN AIRCRAFT HANGAR, UM, A BUILDING OR PORTION OF A BUILDING IN WHICH ONE OR MORE CELL PROPELLED VEHICLES CAN BE KEPT KEPT FOR USE SALE STORAGE RENTAL REPAIR EXHIBITION OR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES. SO THAT'S WHY WE FELT THAT WE COULD REALLY RELY ON THAT GARAGE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED COVERS EVERYTHING THAT AN AIRCRAFT HANGER WOULD ACCOMPLISH AS WELL. YEAH. BUT IT DOES BY, BUT BY SPECIFICALLY SPELLING OUT THE AIRCRAFT HANGERS, IT DOES ELIMINATE THE AMBIGUITY, BUT YOU WANNA BE CAREFUL THAT YOU DIDN'T ADD THEM TO THE KIND OF THE DEFINITION SECTION THAT [00:45:01] IT MEETS THAT, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT APPLY TO A GARAGE THAT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR AIRCRAFT TAKERS. YEAH. WELL AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IF WE ADDED TO TWO 10, WHICH IS NOT A TWO 10.8, WHICH IS NOT A DEFINITION, IT'S JUST CLARIFYING THE APPLICATION. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, THE, THE N E C HAD DONE SOME THINGS LIKE THIS PREVIOUSLY, UH, WHERE THEY HAD KIND OF BURIED THOSE GROUND FAULT REQUIREMENTS IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND YOU KIND OF HAD TO FIND THOSE TREASURES. SO THIS IS NOT NEW THAT THEY WOULD PUT IT THERE AND MAYBE FUTURE CODE CYCLE IT GETS BACK IN LIKE THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENT. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT ONE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE COMMITTEE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD AN ADD AN AMENDMENT TO TWO 10.8 B TO INCLUDE AIRCRAFT HANGERS ON ITEM EIGHT. I SEE SOME HEAD NODS. ANYBODY DISAGREE? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO ITEM ONE 90, WE HAVE ADOPT AS WRITTEN THE CHANGE TO ARTICLE FIVE 14 POINT 11. YEAH. SO THIS IS A CLARITY OF FOR YOUR, YOUR EMERGENCY SHUTOFF. IT INCLUDE ALL UNGROUNDED AND GROUNDED, BUT BUT NOT GROUNDING CONDUCTORS. YEAH. SO THAT WE'RE GOOD THERE. SO ONE 90 WE WILL ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR 1 91 91. ARTICLE FIVE, 17 POINT 10 WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY B THREE D. IT'S UH, ADDED OPTOMETRY AS AN AREA NOT COVERED IN PART TWO OF HEALTHCARE FACILITIES. AND, UM, UM, OF A PATIENT OBVIOUSLY AND VERY FAMILIAR WITH SOME EXAM ROOMS AND OPTOMETRY OFFICES AND THERE IS SOME EQUIPMENT IN THERE THAT ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE EYEBALL. AND FOR ME, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULDN'T KEEP OPTOMETRY OUT AS NOT COVERED. I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE COVERED FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE REDUNDANT GROUNDING PURPOSES. SO THE ONLY NOTE I MADE ON THAT ONE IS CAN WE DO THAT ? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE ELIMINATING THE USE OF ANY BUILDING MATERIALS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSE BILL SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT FIVE 17. SO EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY YOU WERE, EXPLAIN AGAIN WHY YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE, YOU'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING THAT THEY'RE BEING, YOU'RE OFF, YOU'RE BASICALLY PROPOSING THEY'RE BEING INCLUDED. YES, SIR. UM, THE REASON IS, UH, MAINLY FOR WHAT'S THE PURPOSES OF WHAT'S CALLED REDUNDANT GROUNDING HEALTHCARE FACILITIES, UM, EXAM ROOMS AT YOUR DOCTOR'S OFFICE, IT REQUIRES AN EQUIPMENT GROUND AND IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE OUTER JACKET BE CONSIDERED A GROUNDING PATHWAY. AND BEING IN OPTOMETRY OFFICE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SALES, THE EYEGLASS SALES AREA, ONLY THE EXAM PORTIONS. 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS APPLICABLE AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD EXCLUDE IT FROM PART TWO. SO. SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT, UH, WHAT ABOUT, UM, Z LASIK SURGERY? WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF AN OPHTHALMOLOGIST, WHICH IS MORE OF A DOCTOR'S OFFICE AND THAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE SO APPLICABLE, RIGHT? YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD REALLY HOLD THE LINE ON THAT ONE. UM, THIS ONE I JUST, I JUST FIND THAT STRANGE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY DECIDED TO THROW THAT PART OUT BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS YEAH. IF NOT COMPLETELY INVASIVE. IT IS TOUCHING YOU AND IT IS PLUGGED IN. IT IS ELECTRIC. SO AND SO VALERIE, THEY'VE ADDED ALL OF THOSE ITEMS FOR NUMBER THREE, RIGHT? RIGHT. YES MA'AM. I WAS JUST HOPING TO HOLD OUT OPTOMETRY. DID WE LI IF YOU LIMITED IT [00:50:01] JUST TO OPTOMETRY SALES AND NON, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL AREAS. WELL I THINK WOULD YOU BE OKAY, I THINK ITEM ONE DOES COVER THAT THE BUSINESS OFFICES, CORRIDORS, THE WAITING ROOMS AND THOSE USES, RIGHT? THOSE AREN'T COVERED CLINICS. MEDICAL OFFICE, THOSE ARE ALSO NOT COVERED. THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, WELL, I GUESS IT'S VERY GENERAL OPTOMETRY, BUT WOULD IT INCLUDE, LET, LET'S SAY YOU GO THE REGULAR OPTOMETRY OFFICE WHERE ALL THEY'RE DOING IS DILATING YOUR EYES AND LOOKING THROUGH 'EM WITH THE, THE SCOPE. YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE AREAS HAS THE HIGHER STANDARD. CORRECT. ONLY THE EXAM ROOM PORTIONS. 'CAUSE YES, I HAD THAT EQUIPMENT THAT THEY FIT ON YOU RIGHT HERE. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME NEWER EQUIPMENT THAT DOES A DIFFERENT PROCESS OF WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT THE DROPS IN TO DILATE. AND THAT ONE IS SOMEWHAT INVASIVE AND YOU ARE PHYSICALLY TOUCHING IT. IT IS ELECTRIC. SO, BUT ONLY THE EXAM AREAS. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD SPECIFY BY SAYING ONLY PATIENT CARE AREAS. BUT AGAIN, IT, IT, THE WHOLE SECTION DOES INDICATE THAT THE NON-PATIENT CARE AREAS, IT'S THE SECTION DOES NOT APPLY AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR THOSE TO BE INCLUDED. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? I THINK THE, UH, THE SCOPE OF NOT INCLUDING THE BUSINESS OFFICE IS ALREADY COVERED IN THE FIRST PART. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN JUST TO REMOVE OPTOMETRY. OKAY. SO I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. OKAY. WE'LL DO THAT FOR ITEM 1 91. SO THE NEXT 1, 1 92. THAT'S A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 5 17 26. CAN YOU MOVE IT BACK OVER? SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS OF WE'RE FIVE 17 IS CONCERN, IS THIS OTHER STANDARDS AND THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY THAT THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO. AND SO IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE N E C THAT THEY DO THEIR BEST TO ALIGN WITH THOSE OTHER STANDARDS. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST NOTABLE SECTIONS IS THE 700 POINT 10 D, WHICH FOR THE PAST CODE CYCLE WAS THE ONE TIME THAT THEY ADDED HEALTHCARE FACILITIES WITH PERSONS INCAPABLE OF SELF PRESERVATION. AND THEN I UNDERSTOOD THE REASON THEY'RE TAKING IT BACK OUT BECAUSE IT DID CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER N F B A DOCUMENT. RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? SO WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD ON ITEM 1 92, ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YEP. OKAY. ONTO 1 93 FOR ARTICLE 5 17 30 B THREE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SO A QUE THIS IS JOHN PETTY. A QUESTION FOR THAT ONE. IS THAT, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST BACKUP BATTERY GENERATION? IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO? [00:55:09] SO THAT ONE SAYS FOR BATTERY SYSTEMS, BATTERY SYSTEMS SHALL BE PERMITTED TO SERVE AS THE ALTERNATE SOURCE FOR ALL OR PART OF AN ESSENTIAL ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. RIGHT? SO THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE UH, AN A C E P S SYSTEM. IT COULD BE A DC BACKUP BATTERY SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, SO FROM A LIFE SAFETY STANDPOINT, YOU, THE SOURCES OF POWER, IF YOU GO BACK TO, UH, FIVE, 17 POINT 30, SO INDEPENDENT POWER SOURCES, TYPES OF POWER SUPPLY GENERATORS, FUEL CELLS, AND THEN BATTERIES. DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT, JOHN? NO, ONLY, ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, I GUESS IF IT'S NOT TRANSFERRED OR ISOLATED FROM THE GRID, WE JUST WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS FAR AS HOW THAT SYSTEM'S INTERCONNECTED. JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. BUT YEAH. AND THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE, THE CASE WHETHER EVEN IF IT WAS GENERATORS, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA FALL INTO THAT SAME ARTICLE. SO, WELL, AND ALSO WHAT'S BEING LOOKED AT, AT LEAST FROM OUR INDUSTRY, IS INSTALLING THESE HUGE BATTERIES THAT ARE ON ALL THOSE PAID APARTMENTS THAT ARE OLDER WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THE ELECTRICITY, UH, OFF PEAK TO CHARGE THE BATTERIES. AND THEN DURING PEAK POWERS THEY'RE USING IT TO SUPPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, POWER, EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING LOOKED AT. UM, AND I, THAT'S KIND OF A FURTHER DISCUSSION AS FAR AS C P S AND, AND IT'S THE EXISTING RATES, UM, THE RATE STRUCTURES, THERE'S GENERALLY A CAVEAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN SUPPLY YOU WITH POWER, UM, FOR ANYONE TO DISCONNECT, SO TO SPEAK AND, AND RUN POWER WHILE WE CAN STILL OFFER THAT, THEN THAT KIND OF NEGATES THE EXISTING RATE THAT THEY'RE UNDER. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT. MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY TECHNICALLY INTERCONNECTING, BUT THE, THE DISTRIBUTION OF POWER, UM, KIND OF BECOMES, WE HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL WITH THAT. YEAH, WELL, BUT THAT'S A RATE ISSUE WITH THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT IF YOU INSTALL ONE OF THOSE SYSTEMS BATTERY AND YOU'RE SERVICING EVERYTHING BY BATTERY, THAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE WAY OF POWERING A BUILDING, CORRECT? WELL, AS AS BACKUP. AS BACKUP FOR HEALTHCARE? YEAH, FOR, FOR AS BACKUP, WE, WE WON'T, I MEAN THAT'S ANYTIME WE CANNOT SERVE POWER. IF WE LOSE POWER, THE GRID GOES DOWN. ANYONE CAN GENERATE POWER. UH, AS A BACKUP MEANS, I BELIEVE THEY WERE JUST ADDING THE BAT BATTERIES AS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR A BACKUP SOURCE. WAS THAT LIKE AS AN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL AREA? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE AT A LARGE SCALE? IT'S HE HEALTHCARE. OKAY. YEAH, YEAH, HOSPITAL. I WAS JUST SAYING SUBDIVISION THERE. I SAW THOUGH. ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE AS WRITTEN AT 1 93? I THINK SO. OKAY. FOR 1 94 WE HAVE THAT TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR ARTICLE FIVE 17 POINT 31 C ONE. YEAH. SO THIS IS PHYSICAL SEPARATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BACKUP SYSTEMS ARE IN LIFE SAFETY BRANCH OR SEPARATE FROM OTHER SYSTEMS. SO IF ONE GETS DAMAGED IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE OTHER. ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNS? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE ON. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN. 1 95. ARTICLE FIVE 20 POINT 68 A TWO. YEAH, SO THIS IS A, IS A CABLING TYPE, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PORT PORTABLE EQUIPMENT IN THEATERS [01:00:02] AND AS A, AS A WIRING METHOD, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CHANGE IT ANYWAY. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR THAT ONE. UM, SO ARTICLE 5 25 POINT 20 IN OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT WE ARE QUESTIONING IF WE CAN KEEP THAT AMENDMENT AND WANTED TO DISCUSS WHICH NUMBER 1, 9 7. WE ARE ON 1 96. 1 96 6. OKAY, WE'LL BRING UP THAT AMENDMENT HERE. ALRIGHT. HAS TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF, UH, FLEXIBLE CORDS. UM, AND THAT'S THE REASON I HAVE THE QUESTION MARK THERE. , IF IT CAN EVEN BE KEPT. SO ARE WE OFFERING ADDITIONAL OPTIONS? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT STRIKING ANYTHING? WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU, THE SECTION DOES MIRROR THE EARLIER FOR, UH, EARLIER PORTIONS IN CHAPTER 10 THAT TALK ABOUT A MINIMUM NU SIZE NUMBER 12 AND THAT IT ALSO RESTRICTS THE LENGTH TO 25 FEET. SO SPECIFICALLY FOR FLEXIBLE CORDS, FOR CARNIVAL CIRCUSES, FARES AND SIMILARS. YEAH. SO OUR PRIOR AMENDMENT CHANGED IT FROM SINGLE CONDUCTOR TO FLEXIBLE CORDS AND SINGLE CONDUCTORS AND THEN ADDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO ACCOMP TO ACCOMPLISH THE FLEXIBLE CORDS. SO WE'RE REALLY NOT CHANGING THE BASE EXISTS THERE, WE'RE JUST USING IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ADDITIONAL CLARITY. THAT'S HOW I READ IT. YEAH. SO, BUT, BUT IF IT SPECIFIED A SIZE IN THE CODE, CAN YOU MAKE IT ONLY LARGER? SO KEEP, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHAT THE CO CODE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES AS A SINGLE CONDUCTOR AND SIZES THAT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THAT PIECE OF IT. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS USED THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ADDITIONAL CLARITY BY ADDING FLEXIBLE CORDS. AND SO YOU'RE YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER TYPE. WE'RE RIGHT, WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE USING THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL TYPE INTO IT AND CREATE CLARITY SO THAT I DON'T, THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LIMITING ANYTHING. NO. RIGHT. UNLESS THERE'S OTHER, OTHER CONCERNS I SAY, UH, KEEP THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT FOR ITEM 1 96. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO 1 97, UH, CHANGES AND ADDITIONS TO ARTICLE 5 45 0.1 AND, UH, PART TWO MOVE TO THE, UH, THE LIST. YES. SO 5 4, 5 0.1 IS SCOPE. SO THIS ARTICLE COVERS REQUIREMENTS AND SO THERE'S A CHANGE THERE. IDENTIFYING MANUFACTURING BUILDINGS, BUILDING COMPONENTS, RELOCATABLE STRUCTURES AND CONDUCTORS THAT CONNECT RELOCATABLE STRUCTURES TO SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY, REFERRING BACK TO MANUFACTURED BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. SO IT, UH, IDENTIFIES THE SCOPE, THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL CHANGE TO THE DEFINITION, THEN PART TWO OVER THE SECOND COLUMN OF THE NEXT PAGE, 4 69 RE HELPS TO CLARIFY WHAT A LOC RE RELOCATABLE STRUCTURE IS IN ITS POWER REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS WOULD BE PORTABLE BUILDINGS AND MANUFACTURED HOMES. AND SO IF YOU GO TO THE TOP OF THAT SAME PAGE, RELOCATABLE STRUCTURE, FACTORY ASSEMBLED STRUCTURE OR STRUCTURES TRANSPORT, PORTABLE IN ONE OR MORE SECTIONS THAT ARE BUILT ON A PERMANENT CHASSIS AND DESIGNED TO BE USED AS OTHER THAN DWELLING UNIT WITHOUT A PERMANENT FOUNDATION. PERFECT. [01:05:09] DID WE SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS SECTION STAFF? NO. YOU DON'T LIKE IT? NO, WE'RE GOOD. GOOD TO DOCTOR'S WRITTEN? YES. OKAY. NEXT ITEM WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION 1 98. THAT IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE 5 47, 5 G FOR AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS. I THINK IN THIS CASE I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING IN TERMS OF THE, THE RODEO GROUNDS AND I FIND IT STRANGE THAT THEY'RE LIMITING THE GROUND FAULT PROTECTION TO THE 125 VOLT 15 AND 20 APP RATHER THAN INCLUDING THE TWO 50. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS MIGHT BE ON THIS. YEAH, I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE BASIS FOR WHY THEY EXCLUDED THIS, BUT THERE'S, OTHER THAN IF IT'S ECONOMIC OR WHAT'S AVAILABLE WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT MIGHT BE OPERATING ON THOSE, UH, HIGHER POWER CIRCUITS, THERE'S REALLY NO BACKSTORY ON, YOU KNOW, IN THE CODE ITSELF THAT THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE HIGHER POWER RECEPTACLES TO BE ON GROUND FAULT IS, IS FAIRLY NEW REQUIREMENT THOUGH IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED OUT WITH 1520 AMP, ONE 20 VOLT RECEPTACLES AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE IT ENDED. SO MAYBE IT'S A, AN APPROACH INTO THE AGRICULTURAL SIDE TO INTRODUCE IT WITHOUT OVERBURDENING IT. I THINK I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF AS I SUGGESTED THE RO THE RODEO GROUNDS AND THEN, THEN ALSO PROBABLY THE PREDOMINANTLY THE ONLY AG BUILDINGS WE DEAL WITH WOULD BE SCHOOLS. SO THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS THINKING OF AT THE TIME. SO, BUT MAYBE THEY ARE TRYING TO EASE THEIR WAY INTO IT TOO. SO YOU HAVE A 38%, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT IT IN. SO LOOKING AT THE, UH, I A E I UH, CHANGES IT READS ACCORDING TO THE SUBSTANTIATION FOR THIS CHANGE, THE USE OF EQUIPMENT SUCH AS PORTABLE AIR COMPRESSORS, WELDERS, MILK PUMPS, FEED AUGERS AND CONVEYORS OFTEN CAUSES UNINTENTIONAL OR UNWANTED TRICK TRIPPING OF G F C I PROTECTED DEVICES, WHICH CAN CREATE A HAZARD OR CAUSE PROPERTY DAMAGE. THE ADDITION ADDITIONAL 2017 N E C G F C I PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS HAVE CREATED A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP FOR FARM AND AGRICULTURAL BUILDING OWNERS. THE CONSTRUCTION OF AGRICULTURAL BUILDINGS SHOULD BE PERMITTED AT, AT THE LEAST POSSIBLE COST CONSISTENT WITH RECOGNIZED STANDARDS FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO APPARENTLY THERE WAS AN OUTCRY FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT RESULTED IN THEM RESCINDING WHAT THEY HAD DONE IN THE PRIOR N E C. DO YOU GUYS AGREE? GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. I JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT'S, YEAH, ADOPT AS WRITTEN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? I AGREE. OKAY, SO 1 98 WE WILL MOVE FORWARD, ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NEXT ITEM WAS 1 99 FOR ARTICLE FIVE 90.8. A NEW SECTION. [01:10:15] JUST A QUICK REMINDER THAT FIVE 90 IS TEMPORARY INSTALLATIONS AND TEMPORARY INSTALLATIONS ARE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO ALL OTHER AREAS OF THE N E C UNLESS SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN FIVE 90. UH OH. SO IT GOES ON TO SAY, UH, FIVE 90.8 A IS AN EXAMPLE, UH, WHERE REUSED, WHERE OVER CURRENT PROTECTIVE DEVICES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY USED ARE INSTALLED IN A TEMPORARY INSTALLATION. THESE OVER CURRENT PROTECTIVE DEVICES SHALL BE EXAMINED TO ENSURE THESE DEVICES HAVE BEEN PROPERLY INSTALLED, PROPERLY MAINTAINED. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE OF IMPENDING FAILURE. ONE OF THE THINGS TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND IN KEEPING WITH, UH, OSHA REQUIREMENTS AND GENERAL CLAUSE, DUTY CLAUSE, YOU GOT, YOU HAVE TO TEST THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME ANYWAY, SO THERE'S A CONSISTENCY BETWEEN WHAT, WHAT THE GENERAL DUTY CLAUSE REQUIRES AS WELL AS WHAT THE N E C IS NOW REQUIRING. CAN YOU GO BACK TO LINE 1 98 AND CHANGE THAT TO ONE 90? PUT 1 98 IN THERE SO IT DOESN'T VALUE ALL THE WAY DOWN. OH YEAH. THANK YOU. SIX. SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR CONCERNS, LET'S SAY THAT WE'RE GOOD TO GO WITH ONE WITH 1 99. OKAY. 1 99, WE'LL ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN. MOVING ON ITEM 200, ARTICLE 606 A FOUR, A NEW SECTION FOR ELECTRIC SIGNS. OKAY, SO THIS ONE DEALS WITH ELECTRIC SIGNS AND OUTLINE LIGHTING AND REFERENCE TO THE LOCATION OF REMOTE DISCONNECTS, RARELY ACCESSIBLE TO FIRST RESPONDERS AND WITH APPROPRIATE NOMENCLATURE. WE'RE GOOD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY, NEXT ITEM, ARTICLE 600 POINT 34 POINT 34. A NEW ITEM WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN TALKS ON, UH, FIELD INSTALLED RETROFIT KITS. AND THEN THAT NEXT ITEM, 600 POINT 35 IS THE NEW SECTION ON RETROFIT KITS. OKAY, JUST, JUST, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE RETROFITS ARE L E D RETROFITS FROM INCANDESCENT. YOU GUYS SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THOSE AS WRITTEN? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. GOT A THUMBS UP. OKAY, SO THAT WAS 201 AND 202 ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS FOR 6 0 4 POINT 10. UM, OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT, WE'LL BRING THAT UP. 6 0 4 POINT 10. WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT. YES. OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT FROM THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST PROVIDE HELPS PROVIDE CLARITY AND CONTINUITY. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT, THE REMOVABLE PANELS. QUESTIONS, CONCERNS. OKAY, NEXT [01:15:01] ITEM. WE HAVE SIX ARTICLE 6 0 4 POINT 100. WE BELIEVE WE NEED TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT. YEP. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD REMOVING THAT AMENDMENT. AND ITEM 2 0 4, ITEM 2 0 5 4. SO YOU'RE GONNA GO WITH WHAT'S IN THE BOOK AND NOT WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. WHAT YOU MAY HAVE MISSED OUT ON PREVIOUSLY IS WE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE HOUSE BILL THAT PASSED THAT LIMITS SOME OF THE CHANGES WE CAN MAKE WITH THIS WOULD FALL INTO THOSE PARAMETERS. PERFECT. SO ITEM 2 0 5 FOR SECTION SIX, 20 POINT 22 A. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT CHANGE AS WRITTEN. WE ARE IN ELEVATORS. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, NEXT ITEM FOR 2 0 6 SAID CHANGE TO ARTICLE 6 25, THE TITLE AND SCOPE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE POWER TRANSFER SYSTEM . SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS FROM C P S ENERGY STANDPOINT, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THIS INFLUX OF VEHICLES THAT CAN BACK FEED YOUR HOUSE . YEAH, I I NOTICED THAT ON A SUPER BOWL COMMERCIAL OR TWO, UM, THIS PAST YEAR. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE, WE JUST ASK THAT IT, WE HAVE THE SAME AVAILABLE OR, OR I GUESS EXCEPTION TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT TO SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO INTERACT WITH THE GRID, RIGHT? ANYTHING THAT, THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO EXPORT. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR MAJOR CONCERN IS ALWAYS LIFE SAFETY OF, YOU KNOW, OUR GUYS THAT ARE WORKING OUT THERE IN THE FIELD. AND SO IF THEY DON'T, TWO ISSUES, IF IT PUSHES BACK, THEY DON'T HAVE A BI-DIRECTIONAL METER. LIKE AS IN WE DO FOR THE SOLAR SYSTEMS, WE'RE SENDING TROUBLE MEN OUT THERE. SO IF, LET'S JUST SAY IN CONDITION CIRCUITS ARE OUT AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE SCRAMBLING EVERYWHERE AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS WHERE IT'S PUSHING BACK, NOW YOU'RE DIVERTING ATTENTION TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OR WORSE, YOU KNOW, IT STEPS IT UP TO SOMEONE WHO'S ON THE, ON THE LINE IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA AND THEY GET HURT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETHING COMING, STILL TRYING TO WORK ON ALL THE SPECIFICS, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVIEW SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, FROM THAT INSTANCE AND, AND HOW WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT. SO, BUT WHEN THEY PLUG THE CAR INTO THE HOUSE AND IT ALL THE SUB POWERS PARTS OF THE HOUSE, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT? HAVE PROBLEMS. SO YEAH. SO, SO AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO, TO, AND THAT'S THAT W W EVEN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF THE TECHNICAL REVIEW OF IT, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S THE POLICY ISSUE OF IT AS WELL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE IMPORTANTLY IN THIS, IN THIS TOPIC OR REALM OF DISCUSSION, IT'S LIFE SAFETY. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO DO A REVIEW ON THAT AND SEE WHERE, SEE HOW IT ALL WORKS. UL LISTED, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NORMAL OPERATIONS, EMERGENCY TYPE OPERATIONS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. UM, YEAH, IT'S A BRAND NEW WORLD, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP THE BRAND NEW WORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST GONNA, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'LL STOP IT, BUT I MEAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THE LANGUAGE TO DIRECT THEM BACK TO C P SS, WE'LL REVIEW OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, MUCH IN THE SAME WAY WE DO FOR PV. UM, THOSE GET A NEW TYPE OF METER, UH, AND THEY'RE ALSO, UM, FLAGGED IN OUR SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF A, A FEEDBACK, UH, WE CAN NOTIFY OUR SYSTEM OPERATORS AND WE CAN MAKE SURE OUR CREWS ARE SAFE BEFORE THEY, THEY GET INTO THESE SITUATIONS. I WONDER, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH HERE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ABOUT ANY KIND OF SIGNAGE, WHICH, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T REALLY LEGISLATE WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS A VEHICLE LIKE THIS AND DECIDES TO PLUG THEIR HOUSE [01:20:01] INTO IT. BUT, UH, NO, YOU, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THOUGH. THE SAME, SAME WAY WITH MULTIPLE POWER SOURCES THAT HAVE TO BE FOR THE PV SYSTEM. I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE WARRANTED FOR SOMETHING WHO, SOMEONE WHO BUYS SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS WELL AND INTENDS TO USE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A NO-BRAINER. SO IN THAT SAME ARTICLE, WE ALSO CALLED OUT 6 25 POINT 60 AS A NEW SECTION TO LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING ADOPT AS WRITTEN. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THOSE SECTIONS AS WRITTEN. I'M SORRY. HOW CAN I ADOPT SOMETHING FOR A CAR FOR NUMBER 2 0 6 AND 2 0 7? THIS IS ELECTRICAL. SO YEAH, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR, I DO REALIZE THAT, UM, WE SKIPPED AN AMENDMENT, A CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 632, WHICH YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT, CORRECT? I THINK WE NEED TO, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT OUT, RIGHT? YES. THE TRADE SIDE. ARE YOU INCREASING, INCREASING DECREASE? DOES THE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN DECREASE THE REQUIREMENT OR ADD IT AS AN ACCEPT, YOU KNOW, AS AN ALTERNATIVE. EITHER ONE WOULD COMPLY AND YOU'RE SAFE. SO IF THIS IS LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT'S IN THE CODE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GIVING AN OPTION. WE'RE DICTATING THE SIZE. ALRIGHT, SO YOU'RE GOING DOWN FROM HALF INCH TO THREE EIGHTHS. YES. WHERE WERE YOU LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO? ? IT WAS ALWAYS BEEN HALF INCH, BUT YEAH. UM, YEAH, NEON NEON'S SLOWLY GOING AWAY ANYWAY, SO, YOU KNOW, NOT A BIG IMPACT. NO. OKAY. SO WE WILL YOU GUYS, UH, AGREE THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO REMOVE THIS AMENDMENT? YEAH. OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA ADD THAT TO THE END, UM, IN THE NUMBERING SYSTEM SYSTEM. BUT AGAIN, BEFORE WE GOT TOO FAR INTO 600, I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THAT. SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS 2 0 8 FOR SECTIONS FOR ARTICLE 6, 45 0.5. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THOSE CHANGES AS WRITTEN. YEAH. THERE'S LESS AND LESS OF THE RAISED FLOOR SYSTEMS GOING IN DATA CENTERS NOW. THEY'RE ALMOST GOING AWAY. REALLY? YEAH. WELL, CPSS DATA CENTER DOESN'T HAVE A RAISED FLOOR. , . IT HAS A VERY UNIQUE SYSTEM. SO NO BIG IMPACT THERE, YOU THINK COULD MOVE FORWARD ADOPTING? NO. AND YEAH, THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE BEING INSTALLED ANYWAY. OKAY. WE'RE THE ONES THAT DO HAVE RACE FLOORS. NEXT ITEM TO ARTICLE 6, 45 POINT 27. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT CHANGE. I WOULD HOPE SO. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE. WE'RE ON ITEM TWO 10 FOR ARTICLE SIX, 80 POINT 11 A, B, AND C FOR SWIMMING POOLS AND FOUNTAINS. SIX A [01:25:24] QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? THINK WE'RE GOOD? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS A CHANGE TO ARTICLE SIX 80 POINT 21 C AND D. OKAY, HOLD ON. SIX 80. SO, SO I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE PUT A POOL PUMP INTO A GROUND FAULT PROTECTED THING, WHEN IT KICKS ON, A LOT OF TIMES IT WILL TRIP THE CIRCUITS, WHICH MEANS THE POOL TURNS GREEN BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE, THE POOL MOTOR IS NOT WORKING. SO THEY, EVERY POOL IN TOWN HAS IT DIRECT WIRE, THE POOL MOTOR DIRECT WIRED INTO A REGULAR DEAL. THEY'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM, NEVER HAD PEOPLE GETTING ELECTROCUTED OR YOU WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT. YOU DO HEAR ABOUT IT. ACTUALLY, THE, SO I, I HAD THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF SITTING ON THE N E C PANEL THAT THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SIX 80, ARTICLE SIX 80. THEY EVALUATE THIS EVERY SINGLE CODE CYCLE. THEY, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MANY INSTANCES WHERE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN ELECTROCUTED. UM, SO FROM EQUAL POTENTIAL GROUNDING TO G F C I PROTECTION TO UH, HOW DO WE WIRE IN THE LUMINAIRES, ET CETERA. THEY, THEY ARE, THEY REVIEWED THIS EVERY SINGLE CODE CYCLE. AND YOU, AND IF YOU GO BACK AND, AND WATCH THE TRANSITION OVER TIME, UM, WITH THE ADVENT OF GFCS, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN IN THE, IN, WHEN GFCS FIRST CAME OUT IN THE VERY BEGINNING BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING A LOT OF NUISANCE STRIPPING. THE, THE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVED OVER TIME. AND SO IF YOU'VE GOT AN INSTALLATION THAT'S HAVING ISSUES, CHANCES ARE IT WAS INSTALLED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS THAT, UH, G F C I, WHETHER IT BE A BREAKER OR RECEPTACLE UTILIZED DOWNSTREAM NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED TO NEWER TECHNOLOGY. AND WHAT CAN YOU DO? BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES IT ON THE REPLACEMENT OF A PUMP OR A PUMP MOTOR TOO. RIGHT? THIS IS A RETROACTIVE, RIGHT. SO IF I'VE GOT AN OLD, AN OLDER STYLE PUMP THAT'S ON A NON G F I BREAKER AND I REPLACE THE PUMP, THEN I HAVE TO INSTALL A G F I BREAKER. AND CAN YOU INSTALL A G F I BRAKE RECEPTACLE ON A REGULAR PLUG AND MAKE A G F I WITHOUT RUNNING ANYTHING BACK TO THE PANEL? SO IT DE IT DEPENDS ON THE ORIGINAL INSTALLATION AND IT DEPENDS ON THE AMITY OF THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PUMP THAT'S GOT A 30 OR 50 AMP CIRCUIT ON IT, THEN A RECEPTACLE IS NOT GONNA NOT GONNA GET THE JOB DONE. 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING 15 TO 20 AMPS. UM, A G F I WILL WORK. SO SAY FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE GOT A TWO WIRE SYSTEM, RIGHT? AND I PUT IN A G F I PLUG THAT G F I PLUG WILL STILL PROTECT ME. I DON'T HAVE A GROUND. SO IF I HAVE SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A THREE WIRE AND REQUIRES THE GROUND, I DON'T HAVE GROUND PROTECTION, BUT THE G F I WILL WORK. 'CAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT MEASURES THE IMBALANCE OF CURRENT BETWEEN THE HOT AND THE NEUTRAL. SO THE GROUND DOESN'T HAVE NOT HAVE TO BE PRESENT FOR THAT ITEM TO, TO FUNCTION PROPERLY. SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND THE PANEL'S 500 FEET AWAY AND YOU CAN'T GET BACK. SO, SO EITHER WAY I'M GONNA HAVE A BREAKER THAT'S CURRENTLY PROVIDING OVER CURRENT PROTECTION FOR THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, WHETHER IT BE A PUMP, MOTOR, LIGHTING, CIRCUITS, WHATEVER IT IS. SO I ALREADY HAVE A BREAKER THERE PROTECTING IT. SO I I SWITCH OUT THE BREAKER. THAT'S FINE. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. UH, MOVE FORWARD. WE, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. [01:30:02] ADOPT AS WRITTEN. MM-HMM. NUMBER 2, 211. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM, UH, IS, UH, A NEW SECTION FOR ARTICLE 6 80 22 A FIVE REQUIRES A RECEPTACLE IN THE POOL EQUIPMENT ROOM. YEAH. SO THIS REQUIREMENT'S NOT A LOT DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE YOU SEE EQUIPMENT, WHETHER IT'D BE UP IN THE ATTIC FOR AN H V A C EQUIPMENT OR OUTSIDE FOR A, YOUR AC COMPRESSOR. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A RECEPTACLE FOR, AND THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? THIS IS NOT A RETRO RETROACTIVE, CORRECT. RIGHT. CORRECT. UNLESS YOU COME AND REMODEL YOUR POOL EQUIPMENT. ROOM . SO WE'LL, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR TWO 12. SO TWO 13 IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE 6 80 23 A FOR UNDERWATER LUMINAIRES. THIS SECTION, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT THAT'S PART OF THE AMENDMENT WAS LIMITING THE VOLTAGE, THE 15 VOLTS AC OR 30 VOLTS DC AT THE LUMINAIRE FOR, UH, UNDERWATER LIGHTING. YEAH. AND THIS IS AN AMENDMENT WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR QUITE A WHILE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THE PAST? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY. ALRIGHT, WE'LL KEEP THAT AS IS. NEXT ITEM, UH, TWO 14 FOR IMMERSION POOL REQUIREMENTS. THOSE ARE NEW SECTIONS TO ARTICLE 6 80, 35, AND 45. THAT WOULD BE A HOT TUB. WELL, SPOTS, SPOTS WOULD BE A HOT TUB. YEAH, THE EXPLANATION THAT I SAW EARLIER, THESE ARE CEREMONIAL, UM, SUCH AS A BAPTISM, UM, WHERE FULL IMMERSION OCCURS IN A CHURCH OR OTHER CEREMONIAL SITUATIONS. THESE POOLS ARE FINALLY BEING ADDRESSED. WE KIND OF HAD, I'VE HAD A FEW OF THESE OVER THE YEARS IN PLAN REVIEW AND YOU KIND OF HAVE TO REALLY STICK YOUR NECK OUT TO TRY TO ENFORCE THE REQUIREMENTS. SO, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ELECTRICAL IN A BAPTISMAL POOL AROUND IT SOMETIMES. YEAH. LIGHTING. THERE COULD BE, DEPENDING ON THE PLACE, THERE MIGHT EVEN BE SOME LIGHTING INSIDE. THERE ALSO COULD BE CIRCULATION MOTORS EQUIPMENT. YOU COULDN'T ANSWER ANSWER THE CALL FROM ALL THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE CHANGES? MM-HMM. ADOPT AS WRITTEN? YEP. OKAY. NEXT ITEM TWO 15. NEW SECTION IN ARTICLE SIX 80 POINT 59. SO I THINK AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS TO NOTE IS THAT THIS FALLS UNDER PART FIVE OF ARTICLE SIX 80. SO THIS IS UNDER THE FOUNTAIN SECTION. SO THIS, WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ADDING G F C I PROTECTION FOR FOUNTAINS. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED FOUNTAIN, WHATEVER THEIRS THERE. CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THE DOCTOR'S WRITTEN? YEP. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ONE MORE FULL PAGE. AND THEN THE LAST PAGE ARE, [01:35:01] UM, WE, WE DUPLICATED OUR CURRENT AMENDMENTS IN THE RESIDENTIAL CHAPTERS THAT ADDRESS, UM, ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS. SO WE'RE STILL, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT OUR FIRST MEETING, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UM, WITH ADOPTING THE ELECTRICAL CHAPTERS OF THE I R C. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT DISCUSSION. WE ARE REALLY WEIGHING THE OPTIONS. IS THIS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU ONLY HAD TO HAVE AN N E C AND NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN I R C AND AN N E C. AND MAYBE YOU GUYS DON'T WANNA SUPPORT THAT, OR I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY YOU EITHER WAY. SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS I WENT THROUGH AND I LOOKED AT THE LIST OF AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO, TO GO THROUGH TODAY, COMPARED THE I R C LANGUAGE TO THE N E C LANGUAGE, THEY'RE SO VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST AS WHAT IT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE WHAT THE I R C DID IS THEY TOOK THE N E C AND JUST REGURGITATED IT. UM, SO AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE, THE LIST OF AMENDMENTS IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH YES DOWN, DOWN THE LINE. UM, IF WE NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE JUST UTILIZE THE N E C AND DISREGARD THE I R C IS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT AN OPTION? CAN YOU KNOW? YES. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BECAUSE MY GREATEST CONCERN IS IT'S GONNA CREATE ANOTHER, ANOTHER LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY AND CONFUSION. WE WOULD PREFER, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION . SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. CURRENTLY TODAY ON BUILDING A NEW HOUSE OR DUPLEX, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE WHERE THESE BOTH WOULD APPLY, RIGHT? YOU WOULD FOLLOW THE N E C, CORRECT? CORRECT. CURRENTLY WE DO NOT ADOPT THE ELECTRICAL CHAPTERS OR PLUMBING CHAPTERS OF THE I R C EXCEPT FOR ONE PLUMBING SECTION THAT ADDRESSES RESIDENTIAL, UH, MULTI-PURPOSE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. AND, AND THE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS GONNA BE THAT, UH, THE MAJORITY OF ELECTRICIANS, ENGINEERS, ET CETERA, ARE GONNA BE FAMILIAR WITH THE USE OF THE N E C. AND WE'RE GONNA THROW IN ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT NOW EVERYBODY'S GOT GET UP TO SPEED ON. AND YEAH, I I THINK YOU JUST GET RID OF 'EM BECAUSE THE MORE COMPLEXITY YOU ADD TO IT, THE MORE CONFUSION THERE IS. AND SO WE THE MORE REFERENCES PLUMBING, I THOUGHT. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND OR MOVE THAT WE DO NOT ADOPT THE PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL SECTIONS OF THE I R C WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED. OKAY. YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT? QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? YEAH. WELL, NO, I AGREE. LET'S, LET'S SEE A PRO SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION. NO, I I WE'VE ON THE CON SIDE, I, I AGREE. I AGREE TOTALLY. WE DON'T NEED TO INTRODUCE CONFUSION. THERE'S ENOUGH OF THAT. UM, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE ALL THESE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AMENDMENTS THAT BASICALLY SAY THOSE CHAPTERS DON'T APPLY. IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? CORRECT. YES. SO, SO WE WOULD KEEP THOSE AMENDMENTS IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT PATH OF NOT APPLYING THAT RESIDENTIAL CODE ON THE ELECTRIC. YEAH, IT'S JUST A BLANKET ONE THAT CORRECT? IT'S NOT SCRATCHING EVERYTHING OUT. IT JUST SAYS THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS ARE NOT APPLICABLE KIND OF CHAPTER BY CHAPTER. UM, SO CODE BY CODE. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH SEP SEPARATE CODE, LIKE FOR THE N E C, WE SAY, UM, THE, THIS 2017 N E C IS ADOPTED AND INCORPORATED, UM, PER ANOTHER SECTION OF THIS CODE WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE. SO WE ADOPT THE N E C IN, ITS IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR OTHER CODES. SEC FOR OTHER CODES. FORGIVE ME. UH, WE'LL SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE CHAPTERS THAT WE ADOPT. SO FOR THE BUILDING CODE, WE SAY WE ADOPT CHAPTERS TWO THROUGH 35 INDEPENDENCE H SO LET, RESIDENTIAL IS A TRICKY ONE. SO LET, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION BASED UPON THE STATE LAW. SO IF THE CODE ALLOWS SOMETHING IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE THAT IS LESS THAN THE N E C CODE, WOULD WE HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THAT WOULD BE OKAY BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE [01:40:01] STATE LAW BY MANDATING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FOR A MODEL CODE WE DON'T ADOPT OR SECTIONS THAT OF THAT CODE WE DON'T ADOPT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE GRAY AREAS. I WOULD, IF, IF WE DON'T ADOPT IT, IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT APPLICABLE. UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATE LAW IS SO BROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY. BUT I WOULD PROBABLY GO WITH THE DEFAULT, SINCE WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED IT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT APPLICABLE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF WHY WE WOULDN'T ADOPT IT. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT SOME OF THOSE OTHER LITTLE THINGS IN THERE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN VETTED IN THE ELECTRIC CODE. BUT, BUT ALSO, BUT ALSO TOO, THE CITY CAN OVERRIDE A, THE ESTATE 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT HG NOPE, NOPE. WE HAVE TO ALLOW ROMEX AND WE HAVE TO ALLOW AC CABLE NOW. SO YEAH, I I MEAN THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS MAYBE TO GIVE YOU SOME LATITUDE TO DEAL WITH THOSE SITUATIONS IS WE ADOPT AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, OR IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW SECTION THIS, SO THAT YOU CAN ADOPT SOMETHING IN THE RESIDENTIAL ELECTOR ELECTRIC CODE BY JUST AUTHORITY. BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS, IS IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD IN ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, YOU'RE BASICALLY BY NOT ADOPTING IT AND DOING THE N E C, YOU'RE BASICALLY STRIKING THOSE SECTIONS OF THE CODE. LIKE IT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING IT. AND I THINK BASED UPON OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM. WE CAN LOOK AT IT FURTHER WITH THAT IN MIND. BUT I THINK SPECIFICALLY, I MEAN THIS, THE I R C SAYS THAT IN F P A 70, THE 2020 N E C IS IS IN HERE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY CONFLICT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE ELECTRICAL CODE. I'M SURE IT'S, I MEAN, I I DON'T HAVE VERBATIM, I THINK I PERSONALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE THE N E C SO THAT WE'RE ADOPTING IT THE SAME ALL OVER. I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE YOURSELF LATITUDE TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE DIFFERENT. SO YOU DON'T GET DRAGGED INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME CONFLICT. BUT I'M GONNA GO OUT ON A LIMB AND TAKE, TAKE A A GUESS AS TO WHY THEY DID WHAT THEY DID WAS TO COMPILE ALL THE INFORMATION ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL CODES INTO ONE DOCUMENT, RIGHT? YEAH. THE, THE DILEMMA THEN BECOMES, IT'S BECOMES INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF CAPTURING ALL THAT. BECAUSE IF THERE DOES HAPPEN TO BE DISCREPANCIES BETWEEN THIS DOCUMENT AND N F P A 70, THEN THAT'S GONNA CREATE A LAYER OF CONFUSION AND ISSUE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, SO THEN DO WE GO THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, WE ADOPT THIS, BUT WE TAKE OUT ALL THE REFERENCES TO DWELLING UNITS WITHIN THE N E C? HOLY CRAP , QUITE FRANKLY. YEAH. I MEAN, WELL WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DO THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE DWELLING UNITS ALSO INCLUDE DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DIDN'T CAPTURE IT IN ITS ENTIRETY AND THERE IS DISCREPANCY? SO TO ME, THE EASY THING TO DO WOULD BE TO SAY ANY REFERENCE TO IN, TO ELECTRICAL IN HERE NO. RETAIN THE REFERENCE TO THE 20 TO THE N E C, WHICH THEY CLAIM THEY'VE DONE. SO BY VIRTUE OF THAT, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. WE JUST GIVE, GIVE THE THE INDUSTRY A A PLACE TO GO TO GET THE INFORMATION AND, AND WE'RE CONSISTENT THEN IN OUR MESSAGE. NO, AND I, I AGREE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. BUT WITH THE STATE LAW IN MIND, I AM SUGGESTING WE JUST ADD SOMETHING THAT GIVES THE CODE OFFICIAL THE RIGHT TO APPROVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THERE. BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU'RE GONNA RUN IN AFOUL AS WELL. IN IN THAT REGARD. WE'VE GOTTA ADOPT BOTH DOCUMENTS THEN I BELIEVE. YEAH, I'D PREFER TO NOT LEAVE YOU LEAVE, YOU CAN'T PARTIALLY ADOPT ONE WITHOUT ADOPTING ONE. I PREFER TO NOT LEAVE THAT DOOR OPEN. YEAH. AND, AND IF SOMEONE CHOOSES TO MAKE THAT A BATTLE, LET 'EM THINK OF THAT AND DO IT. RIGHT. IF, IF SOMEBODY WERE, IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND FIND A DIFFERENCE AND SAY, WELL, THE I R C SAYS THIS, THE N E C SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I WANT TO APPLY THIS, THEN LET 'EM BRING IT TO US AS A COMMITTEE AND SUB, YOU KNOW, [01:45:01] DO A SUBMISSION AND LET'S EVALUATE IT IF IT, IF AND WHEN IT COMES OUT. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT IT'S GOING TO, BUT YEAH, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THOSE ISSUES. YEAH. IN THE DECADE I'VE BEEN HERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE HAD THEM SEPARATE LONG TIME. HOW LONG HAS THIS DOCUMENT BEEN IN EXISTENCE, INCLUDING THE ELECTRICAL? IS IT, AND NOT AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ONE CODE CYCLE. YES. YEAH. AND, AND JUST FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T THINK MOST INDUSTRIES UNDERSTAND THE BROADNESS OF THE STATE LAW. THEY THINK IT APPLIES TO SIDING AND EXTERIOR MATERIALS. WELL, HOPEFULLY IT STAYS THAT WAY UNTIL IT CHANGES. BUT, UH, JEREMY MCDONALD. SO I MEAN, WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS THE CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST. I THINK IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME IN, I WANTED TO BUILD TO THIS, HERE'S A CODE MODIFICATION, HERE'S AN ADOPTED CODE. Y'ALL MAY NOT ADOPT THOSE, THOSE CHAPTERS, BUT IT'S A INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CODE THAT WE WANT TO FOLLOW. SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY PULLING ANYTHING FROM, FROM OUTSIDE OF AN UNKNOWN AREA. THEY COULD SAY, I JUST WANNA DO IT TO THIS. AND THAT WOULD BE A FAIRLY EASY ACCEPTABLE C M R. SO THAT GIVES 'EM THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD RUN AN ENTIRE HOUSE THROUGH THE I R C THROUGH A CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST, I THINK AND BE CONVOLUTED AND WE'D HAVE TO HELP 'EM THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT I THINK WE HAVE A MEASURE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT THEN. SO DO YOU GUYS RECOMMEND, UH, THAT WE DO? NOT ALL, NOT EXCEPT FOR THE ONE SECTION THAT WE, WELL, WELL, OKAY. SO HANG SO HANG ON A MINUTE. LET'S, LET'S REMEMBER THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR ELECTRICAL AT THIS POINT, CORRECT? WELL, UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE, UM, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO APOLOGIZE HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE AN, AN AGENDA ITEM SPECIFIC TO THE I R C I WOULD SAY WE COULD TABLE THAT ONCE WE FINISH UP THE N E E C, WE CAN MAKE AN A MOTION AND Y'ALL CAN HAVE WHATEVER, UM, UH, ITEMS PERTAINING TO THE I R C ELECTRICAL CHAPTERS. Y'ALL CAN MAKE A COMMENT ON HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT AS A COMMITTEE AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. UH, ONCE WE FINISH UP THE N E C. YEAH. 'CAUSE THE PLUMBING'S DONE AND WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE MOVED TO ADOPT THE I R C CHAPTERS. BUT WHEN WE RECONVENE AS A FULL BOARD, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. UM, FOR ALL THE, SO WOULD WOULD THAT, WITH THAT IN MIND, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR GROUP TO, TO, AS AN EXAMPLE, MAKE A MOTION TO NOT ADOPT THE ELECTRICAL IN THE I R C WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLUMBING TO GO BACK AND REVISIT THAT ONE, THE APPROPRIATE SECTIONS THAT WERE NOT ADOPTED BEFORE FOR, AND DO THAT AS, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MOVE. YEAH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THAT CHOICE YESTERDAY. IT WAS, WE KIND OF PLOWED THROUGH IT. YEAH. MARK, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE JUST TRYING GET WELL, NO, WE SAID TRYING TO GET DONE. WE BASICALLY DIDN'T DISCUSS IT MUCH BECAUSE WE JUST ADOPTED EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THE PLUMBING CODE. THIS WAS ALL THE SAME. WE SAID, OKAY, WE JUST DUPLICATED ALL OF OUR PLUMBING AMENDMENTS, UM, AS THEY APPLY IN THE I R C. WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, DID DID THE AMENDMENT INCLUDE NON ADOPTION OF THAT ONE SECTION? NO. MM-HMM. OKAY. I I MEAN, WE WEREN'T, YEAH, WE DIDN'T, THE MESSAGING WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT YESTERDAY, BUT I, BUT I THINK IT HAVING ONE CODE BOOK TO GO TO WHERE THE, ALL THE PLUM, THE PLUMBERS ARE NOT CARRYING AROUND THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS SINCE OUR MEETING YESTERDAY WITH THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE THAT NOW WE'RE ALL CARRYING MULTIPLE BOOKS WHEN PREVIOUSLY WE WERE CARRYING ONE OR WITH THE PLUMBING, MAYBE TWO. UM, AND NOW EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GO BY THE I R C TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE I R C AS WELL. MAYBE THAT WASN'T THE BEST MOVE. OKAY. SO WHILE WE'RE ON THE, ON THIS TOPIC, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO VISIT ITEMS 2 41 THROUGH TWO 50 WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE NOT ADOPT THE I R C RETAIN THE N E C WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO GO BACK TO, TO PLUMBING TO REVISIT THE PREVIOUSLY ELIMINATED ARTICLES. JEREMY, CAN WE MAKE THAT MOTION UNDER THIS AGENDA ITEM? I THINK WE WERE WANTING TO WAIT UNTIL WE GOT TO THAT AGENDA ITEM THAT DISCUSSES THE I R C. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE JUMPING AGENDA ITEMS, I WOULD HOLD OFF. I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THAT RIGHT HERE AT THE END OF THE MEETING. OKAY. AND HAVE THAT, ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION AND DO THAT. UH, I, YOU KNOW, IT IS ON THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR TODAY. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT. WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN, UM, A MOTION FOR A BIOLOGY BREAK? I WOULD DEFINITELY ENTERTAIN THAT. . AND THEN CHRIS, ARE WE GONNA GO OVER THE TRENCH DEPTH AND I KNOW YES. WE SHOULD DO THAT ONE RIGHT WHEN WE GET BACK. WE HAVE C P S HERE. [01:50:03] ALL RIGHT. WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK? IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THEM THOUGH. WELL, WE WERE REFERENCING THEIR STANDARDS. EDWARD DEL TORO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE A BREAK. I A SECOND RAISE. YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION TO BREAK THE MEETING, ? I, SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE, THE WHERE THE, WE'RE AT TWO 60 WHERE THE LINE CAN GO. YEAH. IN SESSION. JUST WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO 2 16, 6 9. OKAY. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. SO IN OUR PLUMBING CODE DISCUSSIONS, WE WERE, WE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS AMENDMENT, WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT UP FOR SEPARATION FROM ELECTRICAL LINES IN A DITCH. UM, AND WE WANTED TO GET Y'ALL'S OPINION ON THIS. SO OUR AMENDMENT SAYS WHEN OUTSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, NO PLUMBING, GAS, SEWER, OR WATER PIPING SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE SAME DITCH WITH ELECTRICAL LINES UNLESS THERE'S A SEPARATION OF 36 INCHES HORIZONTALLY, RIGHT? WE THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD AMENDMENT. WE LIKE THAT. WE HAVE IT HERE IN OUR PLUMBING CODE. WE DUPLICATE IT IN OUR, UH, FUEL GAS CODE. UM, BUT THE QUESTION CAME UP, WHY DO WE REQUIRE THIS? DOES ANY OTHER JURISDICTION REQUIRE IT? SO WE KIND OF, UM, WE FOUND A SIMILAR REQUIREMENT IN THE C P S STANDARDS. UM, THEY ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. UM, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR THE UTILITY. SO, UM, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU GUYS TO SEE THAT THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT AMENDMENT TO KEEP. IF WE SHOULD MODIFY IT. WE DID HAVE RECOMMENDATION TO MODIFY IT A LITTLE BIT TO EXCLUDE LOW VOLTAGE. UM, AND WHAT WOULD THAT VOLTAGE BE? MAYBE WE SHOULD IDENTIFY THAT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT LOW VOLTAGE IS. UM, AND TO MAYBE EXPAND IT TO SAY THAT THE SEPARATION OF 36 INCHES HORIZONTALLY IS MAINTAINED OR THE ELECTRICAL LINE IS 18 INCHES BELOW THAT OTHER UTILITY, THE PLUMBING, GAS, SEWER, WATER. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPAIR A WATER LINE, YOU HIT THAT WATER LINE BEFORE YOU HIT THE ELECTRICAL LINE ONE. HMM. AND IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ANY PUBLIC UTILITIES OR SERVICE TO THE HOUSE. SO WHATEVER THE C P SS RULES WOULD STAY THERE. IT WAS DEALING MORE WHEN YOU WERE PUTTING A HOT TUB IN OR YOU WERE PUTTING A WELL IN SOMEWHERE FAR AWAY, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE WORKING ON EITHER THE GAS OR THE SEWER LINE. AND EVERYBODY SAYS, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE COUNTY AND EVERYTHING, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS AND NOT HAVING AN ISSUE WHERE THEY PUT THE ELECTRICAL LINE DOWN FIRST, PUT 18 INCHES OF DIRT AND THEN LAY THE WATER LINE IN THE SAME TRENCH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A SMALLER TRENCH TO DO THAT RATHER THAN HAVING TO DIG, BUT LEAVING THE OPTION TO DO IT 36 HORIZONTALLY AWAY SO YOU DON'T HIT IT WHEN YOU'RE DIGGING OR 18 INCHES BELOW WHATEVER OTHER PIPE THAT'S THERE. DO WE KNOW IF SAWS HAS ANY SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS? I HAD TO THROW YOU A MONKEY WRENCH. I'M SORRY. I KNOW , IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THEY DO. I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE. THIS IS JOHN PETS. I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT. THEY DO, BUT I, I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AS WELL. YEAH. UM, AND, AND JUST TO THROW ONE MORE, JUST TO ADD IN, I KNOW GAS, YOU MIGHT WANNA CHECK WITH THE TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION 'CAUSE THEY HAVE VERY DISTINCT SEPARATE REQUIREMENTS, UH, SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS WHEN WE'RE REFERRING TO GAS. YEAH. BUT THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO ANY PUBLIC. SO WITH THE GAS SERVICE TO THE BUILDING, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, YOUR REQUIREMENT IS RIGHT. WOULD STAY WHATEVER ELECTRICAL WOULD STAY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ONE YOU'RE TALKING, [01:55:01] YOU KNOW, AFTER THE METER, AFTER THE POINT OF DELIVERY, CORRECT? AFTER THE, THE GAS REGULATOR. CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. NO, I'M SAYING IN IN REFERENCE TO, IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION OR MAYBE SOME POINT OF REFERENCE, UM, THAT MAY BE A, YOU KNOW, A PLACE TO LOOK, RIGHT? FOR THE, FOR THE RAILROAD COMMISSION FOR ANY KINDA GAS SEPARATION TYPE INFORMATION AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. YEAH, BUT I DON'T, THE ONLY PEOPLE THEY REGULATE FOR THAT IS REALLY YOU OR A PRIVATE PIPELINE AND THERE'S GONNA BE SEPARATE RULES THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WITHIN YOUR EASEMENT OR WHATEVER. THEY EITHER OWN IT OR THERE'S AN EASEMENT AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, BUT THEY JUST FELT THAT IT WAS TO HAVE TO DIG A, YOU KNOW, 48 INCH TRENCH OR TWO SEPARATE TRENCHES WAS, YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO WHAT I, WHAT I ENVISION WHERE THIS COMES INTO PLAY IS WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL TYPE STUFF. AND IF YOU, IF THE SERVICES JUST GO DIRECTLY TO THE, THE STRUCTURE, THEN THE UTILITY REQUIREMENTS ARE GONNA COME INTO PLAY. BUT IF THOSE SERVICES DON'T GO DIRECTLY TO THE STRUCTURE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THE ELECTRIC GOES TO A METER POLE AND A DISCONNECT THERE, AND THEN FROM THERE OUT IS NO LONGER UNDER THE PURVIEW OF UTILITY. RIGHT? SO IF I'VE GOT, IF I DON'T, IF I'VE GOT GAS GOING TO THE STRUCTURE, ALRIGHT, NOW THAT'S STILL UNDER THE UTILITY PURVIEW, BUT LET'S SAY THE HOME'S ALL ELECTRIC AND I JUST HAVE WATER GOING TO IT, RIGHT? THEN THIS COULD COME INTO PLAY HA HAVING THAT HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL SEPARATION. UM, THEN LET'S TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP AND GO COMMERCIAL. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO GET INTO AN COMMERCIAL ENVIRONMENT WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF UNDERGROUND, UH, LINES THAT ARE INSTALLED THAT ARE NOT UNDER THE UTILITIES PURVIEW. AND SO HAVING THAT SEPARATION, UM, MOST OF THE SPECIFICATIONS I'VE SEEN FOR COMMERCIAL ARE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN THEIR TO CREATE SEPARATION. AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY WON'T EVEN ALLOW 'EM TO BE IN THE SAME TRENCH. AND SO HAVING, HAVING THIS REQUIREMENT, I DON'T SEE IT AS, AS A, AN ISSUE OR A PROBLEM, IS, IS THIS A NEW REQUIREMENT IN THE PLUMBING CODE? NO, THIS IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT WE'VE HAD FOR, UH, QUITE SOME TIME. AND SO HISTORICALLY HAVE WE HAD, ARE WE AWARE OF ANY PROBLEMS? YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD NOW SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE NEW BOARD. I DON'T, NO ONE'S EVER COME TO US WITH THIS, WITH THIS AS AN ISSUE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, BUT FROM AN INSPECTION STANDPOINT, HAS IT BEEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU TYPICALLY SEEN ANY PROBLEMS, ANY ISSUES, CONCERNS, UH, IN PLAN REVIEW? I CALLED IT A FEW TIMES JUST BECAUSE I WAS AWARE OF THE SECTION, UM, PERSONALLY IN INSPECTIONS. NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CATCH IT EARLY IN PLAN REVIEW. SO THEY'RE MADE AWARE OF IT. AND I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, HOW, HOW DOES THE ELECTRICIAN GET INFORMED OF THIS? AND MAYBE HE JUST HAS TO READ THOSE OTHER CODES OR BECOME AWARE SOMEHOW. JUST A QUESTION. I, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ASKED BY A CONTRACTOR, HEY, CAN I PUT IT IN THE SAME TRENCH? AND WE COULDN'T FIND A REQUIREMENT THAT SAID YOU COULDN'T, I, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S YOUR TRENCH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT JOB IT WAS. NOW PUT IT IN SEPARATE TRENCH , YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, SO THEN FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE IN, IN THE ELECTRICAL AMENDMENTS TO AT LEAST HAVE A REFERENCE OVER TO, OR JUST RESTATE THIS, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SHORT, SO GOOD IN CHAPTER REFERENCE THAT, I'M SORRY. BECAUSE THE WAY THE THING MEANS THAT, THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, YOU CAN'T, HOW DO YOU HAVE A HORIZONTAL SEPARATION OF 36 INCHES WHERE THE THING HAS TO CROSS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE SO CONCERNED WHERE THEY'RE, THEY CROSS, RIGHT. THAT THAT'S A, A VERY SMALL POTENTIAL, UH, TO EXPERIENCE ISSUES RIGHT. AT A CROSSING. WE'RE JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEM, UM, IN THE SAME DITCH FOR THE TOTALITY OF THE, OF THE SERVICES. SO AGAIN, JOHN HERE, JUST TO, TO RELAY AND WHERE, WHERE IT'S BEING PULLED FROM FROM US IS IN OUR, IN OUR TO, TO YOUR POINT RON, THE, THE COMMERCIAL PRIMARY DUCK BANK SEPARATION, RIGHT? IS OUR PRIMARY DUCK BANK SEPARATION OF 36 INCHES HORIZONTALLY. WHEN YOU'RE GOING IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, PATH, IF YOU WILL, WHEN YOU'RE CROSSING, WE JUST SAY 12 INCHES OF SEPARATION. NOW THE CAVEAT TO THAT IS, IF, GOING BACK TO YOUR POINT AS WELL, SAWS, IF SAWS HAS A, A MORE RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENT BASED ON THE PIPE DIAMETER, UH, THEN WE POINT THAT CUSTOMER BACK TO SAWS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAKING THOSE CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS. OR, YOU KNOW, IF ANY KIND OF CONCRETE OR SUPPORT STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE DONE SO THAT THE DUCK BANK, 'CAUSE OUR PRIMARY DUCK BANK IS CONCRETE ENCASED. RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, A FAILURE OF THAT PIPE, THE WATER PIPE BURSTING AND RUNNING OUT EVERYWHERE, WE STILL NEED SOMETHING TO, TO SUPPORT THAT IF, IF IT'S SO DEEMED THAT WAY WITH, UH, WITH [02:00:01] THE WATER. YEAH. 'CAUSE ON, ON THE, ON THE WATER SIDE, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO A COUPLE OF, OF ADDITIONAL CONCERNS WHERE, SO, UH, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START GETTING IN INTO LARGER PIPES, THE SOIL STABILITY, . YEAH. I MEAN THE, IN MOST CASES, THE PLUMBERS WERE REFERRING TO THIS IN RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS. NOT, I MEAN, THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL AT ALL. IT WAS MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, HOT TUBS OR, OR WATER WELLS WHERE YOU'RE, THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE TA THE COMMITTEE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S A LITTLE, UH, STRENUOUS FOR THOSE, UM, RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS. LIKE YOU'RE INSTALLING A HOT TUB, RIGHT. OR A WELL, RIGHT. AND NOW YOU HAVE TO DIG TWO, YOU KNOW, TRENCHES TO BRING THE THING WHERE YOU COULD DO ONE. SO, SO, AND I MEAN, THEY, THEY BROUGHT UP AS LONG AS IT'S BELOW AND BY, YOU KNOW, 18 INCHES OR MORE AWAY FROM WHERE THEY'RE AT, IF THERE'S A LEAK IN IT, BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA HIT THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HIT THE, UH, PLUMBING PIPE BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA HIT THE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IF THEY WANNA DO ONE TRENCH, THEY CAN DO ONE TRENCH. YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE VERTICAL SEPARATION. THAT WAS, THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT NEEDS TO BE, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED HERE AT THAT POINT. SO, SO IN OUR, BUT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, WE DO DO JOINT TRENCHING WITH OTHER, WITH OTHER FOLKS AS WELL, BRINGING IT TO THE HOUSE. AND SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ON COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, I SAY COMMERCIAL, BUT SUBDIVISIONS, RIGHT. THERE'S, THERE'S THAT ALLOWANCE AS WELL. SO YOU ALLOW SOMEBODY ELSE IN YOUR TRENCH WITH SEPARATIONS IN, IN, IN THE SECONDARY SIDE OF THE HOUSE. UH, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO DEFER. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE TELEPHONE AND CABLE, NOT TYPICALLY. YEAH. I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO ONE OF MY COUNTERPARTS THOUGH THAT THAT DOES SUB SUBDIVISION INSTALLATIONS. UM, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE NOT TALKING PRIMARY, IT'S A LITTLE BIT REDUCED. SO THEN THE ONE QUESTION WAS POSED EARLIER ABOUT LOW VOL, WHAT CONSTITUTES LOW VOLTAGE? AND IT SHOULD BE 50 VOLTS OR LESS. YEAH. WOULD YOU GUYS RECOMMEND THAT, UH, YOU WOULD SUPPORT AN EXCEPTION THAT SAYS ON, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOUR 50 VOLTS AND LESS, SINCE EVERY SPRINKLER SYSTEM HAS A WIRE RUNNING IN THE SAME TRENCH AS THE WATER LINE? WELL, YEAH. WELL, YEAH. BUT THAT'S, SO WOULD Y'ALL HAVE A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE SAYING IN RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS, THE 18 AND THE 36, THE 18 INCHES VERTICAL? YEAH. 18 INCHES BELOW AND OR 36 HORIZONTAL, EITHER ONE THOUGHTS THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE. SO, SO IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A CHANGE INTO THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE RULE OR A REC OR SUGGESTION FOR THEM TO CONSIDER? THAT WAS, YES. THEY ALREADY TOLD YES ON THAT. UM, BUT WE DID SAY THAT WE WERE GONNA, UM, CONFER WITH YOU GUYS, YEAH. MM-HMM. , AND IF WE WANNA ADD THIS, UM, INTO THE N E C PORTIONS OF THE AMENDMENTS, JUST, JUST FOR, UM, GLARING AND YEAH, JUST FOR EASE OF, OF FINDING THE, WOULD HELP NOT TO HAVE A ELECTRIC LINE RUNNING OVER CROSSING, YOU KNOW, TWO INCHES AWAY FROM OR ABOVE. IT'S TRYING TO GET THE ELECTRICAL LINES BELOW THINGS THAT YOU, WELL, THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT WAS, THE ELECTRIC LINE FIRST, THEN 18 INCHES ON THE RIGHT. BUT AN OR, RIGHT. IT CAN BE SEPARATED 36 INCHES OR, OR IT CAN BE THE ELECTRICAL LINE BETWEEN 18 INCHES BELOW 18 INCHES BELOW THE OTHER UTILITY. YEAH. NOT A FAN. NOT A FAN OF THE 18 INCHES. NO, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE SHARING OF ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE, UH, DIFFERENT UTILITIES IN THE SAME DITCH AND ESPECIALLY STACKING. OKAY. SO KEEP IT JUST AS JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WITHOUT THE ADDITION. CAN I ASK THE WHY? I'M JUST CURIOUS. 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE HAVING TO RUN 200 FEET TO GET TO, WELL, FROM THE SERVICE, THE TYPE OF SERVICE WORK THAT I DO WHERE WE HAVE TO COME ACROSS, WE SHOULD TURN THEIR MIC ON A BROKEN CONDUIT AND THEN HAVE TO, I'M SORRY, FROM THE SERVICE SECTOR, THAT WHICH IS THE TYPE OF WORK THAT I DO IS GARY WITH HILL ELECTRIC, BY THE WAY. UM, WE'VE HAD TO USE OUR LOCATOR TO LOCATE THE CONDUIT AND [02:05:01] THEN GO DOWN AND, AND HAND DIG TO PHYSICALLY FIND THE CONDUIT. AND WHEN YOU'RE HAVING TO HAND DIG AROUND GAS LINES AND WATER LINES THAT ARE IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO IT, THE LIKELIHOOD OF BREAKING IT AND CAUSING A BIGGER PROBLEM IS VERY HIGH. FOR THE SAME REASON THE PLUMBING WANTS US BELOW . WE DON'T WANT TO BE BELOW. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. OKAY. , THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE REALLY HAD ISSUES WITH THIS, UH, ON OUR SIDE. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE EXCEPTION FOR LOW VOLTAGE? LOW LOW VOLTAGE IS TYPICALLY GONNA BE DIRECT BURIED AND PLUMBING GUYS ARE GONNA TEAR IT UP ANYWAY. ONCE IF WE DO TRY TO PUT, I MEAN, LOW VOLTAGE IS MOSTLY THE SPRINKLER. I MEAN, THAT'S, SOMEONE RAISED THE QUESTION YESTERDAY ABOUT THAT, THE LANDSCAPE LIGHTING THAT YOU MIGHT SEE, BUT THERE'S REALLY NO DEPTH REPORT FOR THAT PER SE. MM-HMM. WELL, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, 50 VOLTS AND BELOW, WHAT OVERSIGHT DO WE REALLY HAVE IN PLACE ANYWAY? WE DON'T RIGHT. NOT UNTIL SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS AND THE LAWYER PULLS OUT THE BOAT . SO, SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE GOOD WITH THE LANGUAGE AS, AS IT CURRENTLY READS WITH ONE EXCEPTION. AND THAT WOULD BE TO GET THAT LANGUAGE ADDED OVER INTO THE ELECTRICAL AMENDMENTS. OKAY. SO, SO WOULD YOU SAY PUT THAT SAME LANGUAGE IN, DUPLICATE IT VERSUS SO THAT, SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE OPENS CHAPTER 10, THEY CAN JUST READ IT AND YEAH, I, I WOULD SAY MAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE LANGUAGE IDENTICAL SO THAT THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY BETWEEN THE TWO. THERE'S NO HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. IT'S BY THE TIME YOU WROTE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU GO LOOK, YOU COULD JUST, THIS IS A PRETTY SHORT, SIMPLE LITTLE SENTENCE. YOU CAN JUST PUT IT AGREE. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WITH, UM, DUPLICATING THE LANGUAGE AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE N E C PORTION OF CHAPTER 10 MINUTES. RIGHT. BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE FULL BOARD TO DISCUSS, WE'LL HAVE TO REDISCUSS IT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE YOU HAVE TO COMPETE, RIGHT? IT, IT, WELL, IT, YEAH, IT'LL BE A RECOMMENDATION AT THAT POINT. JUST SO WHERE WOULD YOU RECOMMENDATION, WHERE WOULD YOU APPLY THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A CHAPTER OR ARTICLE 300 KIND OF A THING OR JUST AT THE END? OR HOW DO YOU, UM, NUMERICAL MAYBE 100. WELL, NO ONE HUNDRED'S GONNA BE DEFINITIONS. SO, UM, 3, 3, 300 MEANS AND MEANS AND METHODS. YEAH. OKAY. PROBABLY 300. I, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT THERE, THERE'S DEPTH REQUIREMENTS AND THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE TO DOVETAIL IT IN. YEAH. WHETHER YOU'D HAVE TO TIE IT IN EXACTLY TO A PARTICULAR NUMBER. 325. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. YEP. 300.5. BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE, THE, UH, DESIGNER OR INSTALLER IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE CHAPTER 10 CODE ARTICLES THAT ARE APPLYING TO WHAT HE'S DOING. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE 300.5. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ARE YOU READY TO GET BACK ON THE SPREADSHEET? STARTING WITH ITEM TWO 16? SO A NEW SECTION IN ARTICLE SIX, 90.4 F. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN. SO WOULD, WOULD THAT PIECE OF, I SEE IT'S LABELED, THIS IS JOHN, BUT IT'S, UH, POWER CONVERTERS. ARE WE SAYING THAT'S THE SAME AS POWER INVERTERS? YEAH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE, WE'RE IN THE PV SECTION. YEAH. SO I MEAN, CURRENTLY, LIKE THE MICRO INVERTERS, I MEAN, THOSE ARE UP ON THE ROOFS ON, YOU KNOW, CO CO CO-LOCATED WITH THE PANELS. BASICALLY THEY'RE ALL, UM, BUT ON THE INVERTERS, THE, THE ONES THAT THEY WOULD BRING DOWN TO THE PANELS, WE GENERALLY TRY TO AGGREGATE THEM NEXT TO THE SAME DISCONNECT EQUIPMENT. UH, SO THAT IT'S AGAIN, ALL ACCESSIBLE. [02:10:02] YEAH. SO, SO F F READS, ELECTRONIC POWER CONVERTERS AND THEIR ASSOCIATED BIKE SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO BE MOUNTED ON ROOFS OR OTHER EXTERIOR AREAS OF NOT READILY ACCESSIBLE. DISCONNECTING MEANS SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE CORNS WITH 69 6 90 DOT 15, CORRECT? WITH THE, WITH THE, YEAH, WITH THE SHUTOFF SWITCHES. THE SHUNTS, YEP. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ONE? I THINK SO. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS ARTICLE SIX, 90.7. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS CHANGE. YEAH. AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE THOUSAND VOLT REQUIREMENT FILTER THROUGHOUT THE N E C AS A RESULT OF PV SYSTEMS. YOU GUYS RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE, ADOPT AS WRITTEN, AND THEN SIX 90.9 FOR OVER CURRENT PROTECTION. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN FOR TWO 18. NUMBER TWO 18. NUMBER TWO 19. UM, CHANGES TO SIX 90 POINT 12. I'M SURPRISED WHEN THEY PUT IN THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT PUT FIREFIGHTERS THAT DIDN'T PUT FIRST RESPONDERS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT CHANGE IS ARTICLE SIX 90, PART THREE FOR PB PV SYSTEMS DISCONNECTING MEMES, AND THEN ALSO PART FOUR, FIVE AND SIX . THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF CLARIFICATION AND CLARITY AND CORRECTION ON THE DISC REGARDING PD SYSTEMS. THINK WE'RE GOOD? ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE GOOD. UH, MOVING FORWARD THE, WITH THE REST OF SIX 90, SO ITEM 2 21, 2 22 AND 2 23. I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE, I DUNNO IF WE CAN TABLE AT LEAST 2 22. UM, 'CAUSE GROUNDING SEEMS TO BE A LOT OF, I THINK A LOT OF DISCUSSION, VALERIE, HAVEN'T WE HAVE LATE, UM, WITH THE CITY AND OTHER OTHER ENTITIES ON THEIR SYSTEM KIND OF REVOLVING AROUND THOSE INTERCONNECTIONS ON THE, ON THE LINE SIDE THAT WE KIND OF MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY AS FAR AS HOW YOU THEN REVIEW WHERE THE GROUNDING IS TO TAKE PLACE. UM, SO WE MAY WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK AT THAT, IF WE CAN TABLE THAT ONE. OKAY. SO RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, FROM A SCHEDULE PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS OUR LAST SESSION TOGETHER. UM, IF WE, ANYTHING WE TABLE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET BACK TOGETHER. GET BACK TOGETHER, OR BRING TO THE FULL BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT TOO, BUT LET'S SEE HOW WE GO. I, I'D RATHER HAVE A LITTLE YEAH. BRING A, BRING A GROUP TOGETHER. UM, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THIS. THAT'S OKAY. THIS AHEAD OF TIME, JEREMY, DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SHARE INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH OUTSIDE OF THIS SETTING? YOU CAN, UM, UH, GATHER INFORMATION. JUST, UM, IF, IF THE, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD IS, IS GONNA TAKE ACTION, UM, YOU CAN, UH, MAKE IT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND GO BEFORE THE, THE BIG BOARD WITH IT. BUT IT'D BE OKAY TO SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH THEM. AND ANY COMMENTS BACK? Y YEAH, YOU CAN SHARE AS LONG AS NO DELIBERATION, YOU KNOW, NO, NO. ACTION. OKAY. TAKING, BASICALLY, YOU'RE NOT MAKING YOUR MINDS UP OUTSIDE OF THE, THE MEETING. EXCELLENT. OKAY. OKAY. SO FROM, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, UM, CAN WE GET A COMMITMENT FROM C P SS TO GO BACK, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND THEN GIVE US A REPORT BACK ON ANY CONCERNS? YES. OKAY. [02:15:03] OKAY. SO WE WILL TABLE ITEM 2 22. SO THE NEXT ONE, ITEM 2 24 CHANGES TO ARTICLE 6, 95 0.3. YEAH. SO PART SIX IS ALL IS, IS MARKING OF EQUIPMENT AND ET CETERA. AND C THREE IS SIMILAR TO THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE PE AND THAT SELECTIVE COORDINATION. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. WE ARE ALMOST DONE. Y'ALL ARTICLE 710 D ONE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT CHANGE. SO VALERIE, THIS ONE WAS A DELETION. YES. THIS WAS ACTUALLY A SECTION FROM THE PROTECTION EMERGENCY FEEDERS. UM, AND THEY REMOVED THE HEALTHCARE FACILITIES WITH PERSONS INCAPABLE OF SELF-PRESERVATION, UH, BECAUSE IT CONFLICTED WITH A DIFFERENT N F P A DOCUMENT. ARE WE GOOD TO ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN? I THINK SO. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM 2 26, THE NEW SECTION FOR ARTICLE 712 H MM-HMM. DC MICROGRIDS. ANY ISSUES WITH THAT ONE? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SEEING NONE? YEP. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM, UM, NEW SECTIONS TO 700.25 A THROUGH E. SO OPTIONAL STANDBY SYSTEM. SO THIS IS ALL ON THE ISOLATION TRANSFER EQUIPMENT OF MY, MY EDUCATION. SO, SO THINK OF AN EMERGENCY GENERATOR, BUT NOT FOR LIFE SAFETY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. NEXT ITEM 2 28 CHANGES TO 7 0 2 0.7 SIGNAGE. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? SIGNAGE? THINK WE'RE GOOD? OKAY. NEXT ITEM. UH, NEW SECTIONS FOR 7 0 5, 10 THROUGH 13. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY, WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. NEXT ITEM IS TWO 30 CHANGES TO, UH, ARTICLE 7 0 5 POINT 20, 25, AND 28. [02:20:04] QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? THINK WE'RE GOOD? ALRIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT THOSE AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ITEM, NEW SECTION 7 0 5 45. GOOD. WITH THAT ONE WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YEP. NEXT ITEM 7 0, 6 0.4. LOOKS GOOD? YEP. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE ITEM 2 33 IS ARTICLE 7 0 6, PART TWO. YEP. DISCONNECTING MEANS YOU GUYS SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THOSE CHANGES. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE, WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SO NEXT ONE IS ARTICLE 7 0 6 20 C. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. NEXT ITEM, ARTICLE 7, 10 10. IDENTIFICATION OF POWER SOURCES. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NEXT ITEM IS A NEW SECTION TO SEVEN, 12 POINT 10. ANYBODY ELSE? QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOOD. ALL GOOD WITH THAT ONE? OKAY. NEXT ITEM 2 37. THOSE CHANGES TO ARTICLE 7, 25 POINT 48 B ONE. WE WILL ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN. YEP. NEXT CHANGE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN IS TO 7 25 0.1 21 C I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. NEXT ITEM ARTICLE 800, PART THREE. LOTS OF NEW REQUIREMENTS. MM-HMM. . SO MY QUESTION HERE IS, WITH ALL THE NEW REQUIREMENTS, IF YOU WENT BACK AND DID A MAJOR REPAIR TO SOMETHING, WOULD THIS ALL KICK IN? SO THE KEY IS WHAT IS REPAIR VERSUS UPGRADE IN, IN A RETROFIT? SO THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, NOT FOR A REPAIR. WE AGREE WITH THAT, RIGHT? VALERIE? A REPAIR, YOU'RE JUST REPAIRING THAT PORTION OR THAT FAILURE, RIGHT? A REPAIR, LIKE FOR LIKE, YEAH. YEAH. AND WE START, IF YOU'VE DONE IT FOR OTHER REASONS, IF IF YOU DONE AN UPGRADE OR A RETROFIT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. [02:25:02] JUST DON'T DO ANY UPGRADES, YOU'RE FINE. AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM, UM, TO ARTICLE, WOULD THAT HAVE, WOULD THIS GROUNDING, UH, APPLY TO, UH, LIKE A PANEL REPLACEMENT? IS THIS, IS THIS FOR SOMETHING ELSE? THIS IS ONLY GROUNDING OF COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. AND THE ONLY REASON I HAVE LISTED THIS IS BECAUSE, UM, WE TYPICALLY DON'T DEAL WITH MUCH OF THESE SYSTEMS, BUT THE GROUNDING IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. UM, WE RUN INTO INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE ACTUALLY TRIED TO TIE INTO THE GROUND BUS OF A PANEL RATHER THAN GOING OUT TO THE GROUNDING ELECTRODE SYSTEM FOR THE BUILDING. SO THIS WHOLE ARTICLE WAS REVAMPED, BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF IT, WE, WE DON'T DEAL WITH THEM MOST OF THE TIME. SO, SO THIS WOULD APPLY MOSTLY TO SPECTRUM OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT THAT'S DELIVERING SERVICE INTO THE UNIT THAT THEY BASICALLY GROUND THEIR DEAL ON A METAL PIPE? WELL, YEAH, AND I, AND I THINK THAT THE TWO DIAGRAMS REALLY HELP TO EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT'S TRANSPIRING. SO YOU CAN TAKE THE COMMUNICATION EQUIPMENT AND GROUND IT ON THE MAIN SERVICE GROUNDING ELECTRODE CONDUCTOR. YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN GROUNDING ELECTRODE, CONDUCTOR AND GROUND ROD, BUT YOU NEED TO BOND THE SYSTEMS. IF YOU DON'T, YOU GET A DIFFERENCE POTENTIAL AND THAT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY DAMAGE THE EQUIPMENT. SO IT WAS YEARS AGO THEY USED, WHEN THEY TRIED INSTALLING, THEY ISOLATED GROUND SYSTEMS AND KEEP 'EM SEPARATE FROM EVERYTHING ELSE AND DIDN'T REALIZE THE PROBLEMS THEY WERE RECREATING FOR THEMSELVES. SO WE COULD, UM, ON ITEM, UH, 2 39 ADOPT AS WRITTEN. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, ARTICLE 800 PART FOUR. SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY BE DEALING, THEY'RE NOT PERMIT ARE THEY EVEN GONNA GET ABOUT THE ONLY TIME WE'VE EVER REALLY LOOKED AT 'EM IS IF THEY'RE LAYING ON THE CEILING OR THEY'RE ABANDONED CABLES. AND THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY TIME WE CAN REALLY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. SO, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS ONE. OKAY. WE WILL ADOPT, UH, ITEM TWO 40 AS WRITTEN. SO THAT IS THE END OF OUR N E C CHANGES WE WANTED TO PRESENT AND AMENDMENTS TO DISCUSS. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT ALL THE, UH, ITEMS AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND AMENDED AND, OH, I GOTTA WAIT ON THE I R C ONE UNTIL AGENDA. OKAY. AND, UH, DO NOT ADOPT THE ELECTRICAL PART. JUST THE N E C STUFF. YEAH, LET'S DO THIS. OKAY. AMENDMENTS TO THE N E C AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? EDWARD DEL TORO. I SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. MOTION. CARRIE, WE COMPLETED THREE, SO WE'RE OKAY. YEAH. SO I THINK WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. NOW, IF I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE DO NOT ADOPT THE ELECTRICAL SECTION OF THE I R C, THAT'S MARK ROSS WITH A MOTION TO NOT ADOPT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION TO NOT ADOPT THE ELECTRICAL PORTIONS OF THE I R C AND RETAIN THE N E C IN ITS ENTIRETY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, THIS IS LON. I SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. [02:30:01] OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHTYY . THAT GETS US THROUGH THE CODE ADOPTION PROCESS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. UH, THE LAST ITEM, ONCE AGAIN, WE, WE KIND OF TOUCHED BASE THIS ONE LAST WEEK. I THINK, UH, VALERIE MIGHT WANT TO TOUCH ON IT ONE MORE TIME. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS THE REGISTRATION OF CONTRACTORS. UH, SO AS WE KINDA DISCUSSED MOST OF THIS, WE'RE GONNA REWORD IT TO ADJUST IT TO MOVE, UH, THE, THE REGULATIONS OF REGISTRATION INTO ONE SECTION FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRADES. UH, ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS SPECIFICALLY TWO LICENSES OF, OR REGISTRATION OF LICENSED ELECTRICIANS WILL BE TRYING TO FOCUS AROUND WHAT THE STATE SAYS AND TRY TO ADOPT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES FOR THEIR, UH, ANYBODY THAT'S REGISTERED WITH US FOLLOWS WHAT THE, UH, STATE HAS PER T D L R FOR A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN. UH, BUT I THINK VALERIE, WE DO ALSO, WE ALL INCLUDE THE REGISTRATION OF MAINTENANCE TECHNICIANS. LIKE YOU WOULD PUT THAT IN THAT SECTION TOO. DO WE? IT'S STRICTLY A CITY ORDINANCE THAT'S ACTUALLY IN A DIFFERENT PORTION. OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CHAPTER. THE MAINTENANCE PERMITS ARE IN A COMPLETELY SEPARATE SECTION. IT'S A CITY REGISTRATION. OKAY. SO THAT'S NOT, YEAH, IT'S IN CHAPTER. IT'S IT'S IN CHAPTER 10 THOUGH, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT SECTION. OKAY. RIGHT. YES. BUT AS FAR AS THE ONLY ITEM THAT WE HAD WAS KIND OF THE GRAY AREA OF THE NUMBER OF APPRENTICES TO, UH, SUPERVISORS URMAN, UH, TRADESMAN. SO I'LL ALLOW CHIEF VALERIE GLEASON DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE FULL BOARD. GOOD AFTERNOON. VALERIE GLEASON, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE RATIO OF WIREMEN TO APPRENTICES. WE DO HAVE A RATIO IN THE CHAPTER 10 FOR JOURNEYMEN, TWO APPRENTICE ELECTRICIANS OF EIGHT APPRENTICES TO ONE JOURNEYMAN. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE A RATIO FOR WIREMEN. UM, THE CONSIDERATION THAT I WAS ASKING FOR WAS A FOUR TO ONE RATIO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A PRETTY BIG OUTCRY FROM, FROM THE HOME BUILDERS, BUT WE BASICALLY CAN'T MAKE ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENT ON THEM AT THIS TIME. SO I WAS ASKING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT. AND MAYBE WHEN YOU GET TO THE BIG BOARD, CONSIDER THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. BEFORE WE GET TO THE BIG BOARD, CAN WE REACH OUT TO THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND WHATEVER ELECTRICAL GROUP THAT MAY REPRESENT, UH, ELECTRICIANS? UH, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE LIKE, UH, THE INDEPENDENT ONES ARE GONNA DO THAT MORE SO THAN THE UNION SHOP WIRING HOMES, BUT THAT DO THE PRODUCTION BUILD AND JUST FIND OUT WHAT EFFECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE. PLUS, IS IT GOING TO INCREASE THE COST OF THE HOUSING? BECAUSE IF, IF YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A HIGHER RATIO, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD OR BAD, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WELL THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER THOUSAND DOLLARS OR 15 OR 2000 OR 5,000 ON THE COST OF THE FINAL PRODUCT. YES, I, IT PROBABLY COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT TECHNICALLY THE SUPERVISION FOR A WIREMAN TO APPRENTICES IS ADJACENT PROPERTY AND THAT'S NOT BEING DONE. SO THAT'S BASICALLY YOU HAVE ONE HOUSE, SO YOU COULD TAKE ALL THE SURROUNDING HOUSES AND THAT'S WHERE THAT WIREMAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE. SO THAT'S NOT BEING DONE. YEAH. YOU'RE LUCKY IF THEY'RE EVEN IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION. EXACTLY. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING ELSE WE WERE TRYING TO DEFINE TOO, IS WHERE THAT AREA IS. AND I ALSO, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, ONE OF THE BUSINESS PRACTICES OF ONE CONTRACTOR IN PARTICULAR WAS TO HAVE THE APPRENTICES WIRING THE HOUSES AND THEN HE COMES, A JOURNEYMAN COMES BY THE NEXT DAY FOR QUALITY CONTROL. HE'S NOT EVEN AROUND AT ALL. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY TOLD TO US BY A CONTRACTOR HERE IN THE CITY. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT BAD? NO, THANK YOU, VALERIE. NOT BEING WELL, I'M, I'M I'LL. OKAY. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT BAD? I WOULD NOT WANT MY HOUSE WIRED IN THAT MANNER. I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. AND, AND TO ANSWER, UH, MARK ROSS'S QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUTREACH. YES, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING WE WANT. WE DON'T WANNA GO TO THE FULL BOARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED, UH, BY ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED. UH, WE WILL DO SOME RESEARCH, SEE WHAT, UH, OTHER TRADES ARE DOING. UM, ALSO WHAT EACH INDUSTRY AND THE ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THAT INDUSTRY ARE DOING IS SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY SET, YOU KNOW, LIMITS OF, YOU KNOW, APPRENTICE TWO, JOURNEYMEN, JOURNEYMEN, UM, TO, TO WIREMEN, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, TRY TO GET AN IDEA OF KIND OF WHAT, WHAT'S NORM IN THE [02:35:01] CITY RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING TO TR CHANGE IT, RIGHT? UH, BUT WE ALSO, WE JUST WANNA MAKE IT UNIFORM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A COMPANY THAT'S DOING IT REALLY WELL, YOU KNOW, I I I LIMIT MYSELF ONE TO FOUR, BUT I CAN'T GET WORK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT TOO MUCH. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE'D GO TO BY ANY MEANS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE COMPETING AGAINST PEOPLE THAT DO IT ONE TO 24, 1 TO 30, I COME BY THE NEXT DAY TYPE THING. YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY TO KIND OF MAKE THAT MORE CONSISTENT ACROSS FOR ALL CONTRACTORS, MAKE THE END GOAL OF BEING MORE INTERESTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S A HOME THAT'S SAFE FOR ANY, ANYBODY TO, TO LIVE IN. OKAY. UH, ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATION OR DISCUSSION ON THAT AGENDA ITEM? ONCE AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL ACTUALLY MAKE A, FOR FORMAL MOTION ON. THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S VETTED AND CLEANED UP, LOOKING REALLY GOOD FOR ALL ORGANIZATION OR ALL THE DIFFERENT TRADES, THE UNDER CHAPTER 10, AND PRESENT THAT TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, WHEN WE GO TO THE FULL ADOPTION PROCESS. OKAY. I, I HAVE ONE MORE. WHEN IS THE, THE CHAPTER 10 NOW THAT WE'VE FINISHED WITH THIS SECTION, WHATEVER AMENDMENTS WE MAY GONNA BE IN LIKE DRAFT FORM SOON? YES, VERY SOON. AS IN TOMORROW. AND BE, AND THEY WILL BE UPLOADED TO OUR WEBSITE. PERFECT. SO THAT WILL CONCLUDE THE ELECTRICAL SIDE. SO WE'VE NOW COMPLETED THE THREE TRADES AND WE'LL BE MOVING INTO THE BUILDING, WHICH IS, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT BOOKS FOR THAT. THAT'D BE THE I B C I R C I F C AND THE EXISTING VOTING CODE. UH, WE HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW TENTATIVELY SET TO GO OVER ABOUT, I THINK 10 WEEKS FOR THAT, THREE WEEKS FOR EACH OF THE MAIN BOOKS AND THEN ONE WEEK FOR THE EXISTING VOTING CODE. UH, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN CONDENSE THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, IF NOT. AND THEN THE LAST, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT. WE'LL ALSO DO THE PLUMBING CODE. UH, WE'RE THINKING THAT ONE SHOULD BE A FAIRLY SIMPLE ONE JUST BECAUSE WE HAD JUST GONE THROUGH THAT EXERCISE TO UP TO 2018. UM, AND THEN FINALIZE IT WITH THE ENERGY CODE AT THE END, WHICH WE KNOW WILL BRING IN A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS. JEREMY, JUST A POINT OF CLAR, I THINK YOU SAID PLUMBING CODE, BUT SWIMMING POOL CODE. SWIMMING POOL CODE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. THAT SWIMMING POOL CODE, WHEN, WHEN DOES THAT ONE MEET? DO YOU OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, DO YOU RECALL? I BELIEVE IT'S MAY 4TH. OKAY. BUT I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY. YEAH, I, BECAUSE I'VE GOT, I'M ON THAT ONE. I'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT DATES ON MY CALENDAR AND MAY WASN'T ONE OF THEM . OH, OKAY. WELL, LET ME, LEMME CLEAR THAT OUT. YEAH. MY GOAL IS TO GET BACK ON TOP OF GETTING SOME MEETING INVITES OUT AND STUFF LIKE THAT I'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON. YEAH. AND, AND I KNEW YOU'D SEND OUT THE INVITE JUST SO THAT I DON'T DOUBLE BOOK MYSELF. YES, SIR. YEAH, AND THAT ONE'S FAIRLY FLEXIBLE. IF, IF FOR SOME REASON I CAN'T GET QUORUM, I'LL MAKE SURE TO, UH, FIND A DATE THAT WILL WORK. WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO FITTING IT IN WITH BETWEEN ALL THE, THE FOUR BIG BOOKS WITH THE BUILDING BOARD SINCE WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP WITH A LOT OF THOSE MEMBERS. WELL BEFORE THE SOMEBODY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION OR TO ADJOURN FOR, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I WANT TO THANK EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR BEING HERE, SPENDING TIME, UH, DIGGING THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF. AND I ALSO WANNA EXTEND MY THANKS TO STAFF FOR, BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL PUT A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY, AND EFFORT INTO THIS AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. WE CAN HAVE THE EXACT SAME APPRECIATION. YEAH. , YES. THANK YOU FOR HELPING US GET THROUGH THAT. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS TO GET THROUGH. NINE HOURS SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF TIME, BUT IT DOES GO BY PRETTY QUICK WHEN WE HAVE GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT WE ALSO APPRECIATE ALL THE DISCUSSION AS WELL. THAT GOES A LONG WAY. IT HELPS US, UH, DICTATE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS CORRECTLY AND, UM, MINIMIZING COSTS, MINIMIZING, UM, ANY CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH SAFETY AS WELL. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL CHAIR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, [ Director's Report  ] I'M SORRY, LAST ITEM. ONCE AGAIN, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE IT ON RECORD, UH, FOR ANYBODY THAT'S WATCHING AT HOME OR WATCHING THE RECORDINGS, UH, YOU CAN GO TO OUR CODE ADOPTION WEBSITE, UH, AS CRYSTAL REFERENCED, WE WILL HAVE THE UPDATED DRAFT POSTED HOPEFULLY TOMORROW EARLY, UM, EARLY NEXT WEEK AT THE LATEST. UH, ALL THESE MEETING RECORDINGS ARE AVAILABLE. UH, WE ARE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF BACKLOG. I THINK THE LAST ONE THAT WAS POSTED WAS ON MARCH 3RD, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PROVIDER FOR THAT TO TRY TO CATCH EVERYTHING UP. SO HOPEFULLY THE REST OF THE PLUMBING MEETINGS AND THE TWO, UH, ELECTRICAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT ARE STILL PENDING, WE'LL GET, UH, POSTED EARLY NEXT WEEK. SO WE'LL BE FULLY CAUGHT UP BEFORE WE START MOVING INTO THE OTHER ONES. AND ONCE AGAIN, THE, UH, WEBSITE OR THE EMAIL ADDRESS THERE, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANY CODE ADOPTION, EVEN IF WE'VE COMPLETED IT, IF THEY STILL WANNA HAVE A COMMENT, WE WILL TAKE THAT TO THE FULL BOARD. BUT, UM, IF IT'S STILL IN THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THEN WE WILL ADDRESS OR, OR PUT THOSE ON THE RECORD FOR EACH OF THE COMMITTEES TO CON UH, TO ADDRESS AND, AND WEIGH ANY CONSIDERATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE. AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS BEFORE? ALL RIGHT. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVE MARK. MARK ROTHAM. ALL RIGHT. GRAB A SECOND. EDWARD DEL TORRO HAS SECONDED. ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING. WE GOT THROUGH IT. WE GOT THROUGH IT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.