* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. LET ME, ARE WE GOOD TO [00:00:01] GO? WE'RE GOOD TO GO. OKAY. IT IS 1233. LET'S CALL OUR MARCH 22ND, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. MEETING TO ORDER. WOULD STAFF PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? MR. MOORE MOORE. MR. NICKS? MS. DALE? HERE. MS. MALDONADO? HERE. MR. RAMIREZ? HERE. MS. REED? HERE. MR. CHERYL? HERE. MR. MANO? HERE. MR. ESTRADA? HERE. MR. TAPIA? PRESENT. MR. FULLERTON? PRESENT. MR. HENLEY? HERE. MR. BROWN. MR. BROWN? HERE. MS. PAGANS? HERE. MR. LEESMAN? HERE. MS. ETT? MS. FAIRMONT? HERE. MS. WRIGHT? HERE. MR. THIEL? PRESENT. MS. TACKETT? PRESENT. MR. SES? HERE. MR. GARCIA? HERE. MS. HANS, PRESENT CHAIR. PECK, PRESENT A COURT. MS. PRESENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE MINUTES RIGHT AWAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? MOTION. ENTERTAIN. A MOTION? MOTION TO PASS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION. MOTION BY MS. WRIGHT. SECOND BY, WAS IT MS. REED? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL [Public Comment  ] RIGHT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS MEETING? YEAH. WE HAVE THREE VOICEMAILS THAT WE NEED TO PLAY, AND THEN WE CAN DO A SUMMARY OF THE WRITTEN COMMENT AS WELL. GREAT. LET'S GO AHEAD. MY NAME'S COLLEEN WABA. I RESIDE AT 1603 TARTAN LANE, SAN ANTONIO, SEVEN EIGHT TWO THREE ONE. PHONE NUMBER (210) 259-7067. COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AS SAN ANTONIO GROVES IS IMPORTANT TO OUR CITY'S RESILIENCY THAT OUR WATER SUPPLIES PROTECTED AND OUR COMMUNITIES ARE PROTECTED FROM FLOODING, FROM STORMWATER RUNOFF. DESPITE OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS, TOO MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS EXPERIENCE FLOODING WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT OCCURS UPSTREAM OF THEIR HOMES. FLOODING IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY RESIDENTS IN ZONING CASES WHICH SEEK TO INCREASE DENSITY. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THE GREATER EDWARD AQUIFER ALLIANCE'S REQUEST FOR THE CREATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE TO EXAMINE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, HOMEOWNERS AND TAXPAYERS SHOULD NOT BE EXPECTED TO FUND THE COST OF FLOODING AND AQUIFER PROTECTION, RESULTING FROM INCREASED DEVELOPMENT. CREATION OF A SUBCOMMITTEE TO EXAMINE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT WILL ENSURE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE A VOICE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGULATIONS WHICH ENSURE PROTECTION OF BOTH OUR WATER SUPPLY AND OUR EXISTING COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU. HELLO, TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I'M HUNTER WARREN. MY ADDRESS IS 3 1 7 LEXINGTON AVENUE, APARTMENT 3 1 3. I SUPPORT THE GREATER EDWARD DOCK FOR ALLIANCE AMENDMENTS. THESE ARE IMPORTANT CHANGES TO SAN ANTONIO STORMWATER CODES, AND I THINK WE'VE NEEDED THEM FOR A LONG TIME. UH, I GREW UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO AND WATCHED OUR CREEKS OUT THERE GET DEMOLISHED AND CHANNELIZED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE INCREASED STORMWATER FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND IT WAS A HARD THING TO WATCH, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE STOPPING IT RIGHT NOW. NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ARE BEING BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE CHANNEL OF HENER CREEK RIGHT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. AND I KNOW THEIR BUILDING CODE IS SUPPOSED TO PREVENT ADVERSE IMPACTS DOWNSTREAM FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT IS. UM, I'M SEEING A LOT OF EROSION IN, IN OUR CREEKS AROUND TOWN. UM, ESPECIALLY ZARZA MORE CREEK IS ESPECIALLY BAD, RIGHT AS IT PASSES UNDER BABCOCK ROAD. UH, IT'S SCOURED SO DEEP INTO THE GROUND AND IT'S PROBABLY NINE FEET DEEP. UH, IT'S SCOURED SO DEEP THAT THERE ARE NOW EXPOSED SEWER LINES IN THE CREEK. ONE OF THEM IS, UH, ENTIRELY EXPOSED AND ABOUT TWO FEET ABOVE THE CREEK BOTTOM. UM, SO IN THE PROCESS OF OF ACCOMMODATING THIS [00:05:01] NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE TAKEN THESE NATURAL WATERWAYS THAT USED TO PROVIDE SCENERY, BEAUTY, RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND WILDLIFE HABITAT FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND TURNED THEM INTO INFRASTRUCTURE, UNSIGHTLY, UNINVITING, THE HUMANS AND WILDLIFE. AND WHEN THE COMMUNITY LOSES AN ASSET LIKE THAT, IT BECOMES A WORSE PLACE TO LIVE. WE'RE DOING THAT TO OURSELVES AND TAXPAYERS ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR IT. JUST LOOK AT HOW MUCH PEOPLE ARE ENJOYING SATO AND LEON CREEKS AND THINK ABOUT HOW GREAT SAN ANTONIO COULD BE IF WE STILL HAD ALL THOSE CREEKS THAT WE TURNED INTO DITCHES. ALMOND CREEK, WEST OF 2 81, EBNER CREEK, ALL THE OTHER ONES. UM, BY, I BELIEVE IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND TO PRESERVE OUR CREEKS, AND THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE AMENDMENTS WILL HELP US GET THERE. ALSO, PLEASE CONSIDER CREATING A SUBCOMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY TO EXAMINE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS STEVE VERTI, 1 0 5 RENO STREET, 2 1 0 4 1 3 6 8 6 1. I'M CALLING JUST IN GENERAL ABOUT THE PTECH AGENDA. I SEE THERE'S A LOT OF STORM WATER AND MAYBE SOME FLOODPLAIN, UM, ITEMS ON THERE. I MEAN, WE HAVE A HUGE BOND COMING UP FOR DRAINAGE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSERVATIVE. WE, UH, WE'RE HAVING TO, UH, DO DRAINAGE PROJECTS TO CORRECT FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT SEEMED OKAY IN THE PAST. SO JUST BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA NOW, DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING FOR IT ON A LATER BOMB. SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD BE CONSERVATIVE AND PROTECT THE, UH, STORM WATER DRAINAGE. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE THE VOICEMAILS WE HAVE FOR TODAY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. WAS THERE A SUMMARY? YOU, UH, UH, LOGAN, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA DO A SUMMARY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR? YES. SO WE RECEIVED, UH, THREE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 14 DASH ONE THROUGH 14 DASH SEVEN, ALL IN SUPPORT. AND THESE WERE EMAILED TO PTAC THIS MORNING. AND THOSE ARE ALL THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS WE RECEIVED TODAY. OKAY. AND THEY WILL BE POSTED AFTER THIS MEETING ONLINE. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS MEETING? NOPE. YEAH. NO, NO, NO ONE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. [New Business  ] LET'S ROLL, ROLL RIGHT INTO NEW BUSINESS THEN. FIRST ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT, ITEM 27 DASH 31, AFFECTING 35 DASH F 1 0 6. GOOD AFTERNOON. GO AHEAD. LEMME START OFF. SURE. LEMME START OFF. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME, UM, TO NOT ONLY REVIEW ALL THESE ITEMS, BUT, UH, HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US AND BE ABLE TO REVIEW THESE THINGS FOR US. I, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. I, I, I DID WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BEFORE WE DIVE INTO ALL EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE, UH, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT OUR, OUR GOAL IN, IN OUR CITY IS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. PEOPLE IN PROPERTY IS, IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR US. UH, I TELL, UM, I TELL PEOPLE, UH, THAT STORMWATER DEPARTMENT, THE, THE STORMWATER WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE, UM, A LARGE GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ALL WE'RE DOING IS PREPARING FOR THE NEXT FLOOD. UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE ALL KNOW LIVING IN, IN AN AREA KNOWN AS FLASH FLOOD ALLEY, THAT WE ARE SUBJECT TO. UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REASON WHY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS BUILT HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE RIVER. IT'S THE RIVER THAT THAT BRINGS US HERE. AND CONSEQUENTLY, IT'S RIVERS AND TRIBUTARIES ARE, ARE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT. A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL IT, UH, FLOOD MANAGEMENT. I, I DON'T LIKE USING THAT WORD BECAUSE WE DON'T MANAGE THE FLOOD. WE MANAGE, UH, PEOPLE. UH, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. AND SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS HERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A GOOD NUMBER OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, WITH CORRECTIONS TO THE CODE, TEXT CLARIFICATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE ARE GONNA BE A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT YOU MAY HAVE A A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE. SO LET'S, LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE FIRST ONES. BOTH SABRINA AND I WILL BE HERE TO RESPOND. AND, UH, AND I WANNA JUST TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO THANK THE, THE, THE DRAINAGE, UH, LITTLE COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED WITH, UH, FROM THE ENGINEERING COMMUNITY THAT WAS EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO US. WE WERE ABLE TO BOUNCE OFF IDEAS AND WE WALKED OUTTA THERE A LITTLE BIT BRUISED, BOTH OF US, ALL OF US. UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK IT [00:10:01] WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE THING. SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS, UM, IS KIND OF THE, THE, THE CULMINATION OF THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR CONSULTANT WHO, WHO WAS ALSO VERY, UH, UM, VERY BENEFICIAL IN OUR, IN OUR WORK. SO, SABRINA, THANK YOU, NEFF NE NE OR SABRINA. YES. AS Y'ALL GET GOING THROUGH THESE, SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE AN ADVANTAGE, BUT BEING AN ENGINEER, KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE NEW, AND DEBBIE AND I ARE ALL IN THE REGIONAL FLOOD PLANNING GROUPS, SO WE HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE CITY. YOU GUYS BEGAN SOME OF THIS. AND CAN YOU, AS WE GO THROUGH AMENDMENTS, TRYING TO BRING SAN ANTONIO UP IN YOUR FEMA RATING AND FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. AND SO I THINK GOING THROUGH WITH US, SOME OF THESE AS WE GET TO THE ITEMS, WHY WE WERE DOING SOME OF THAT, WHAT YOUR GOAL WAS, AND BECAUSE THAT STARTED BEFORE WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THE 2020 AMENDMENT. SO YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, TRYING TO BRING OUR LEVEL UP IN OUR FEMA RATING. AND I THINK NOT EVERYBODY HAS KIND OF THAT BACKGROUND. SO AS WE GO THROUGH 'EM, KARA, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS UP. I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT IT IN ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE TIME. THERE IS A FEMA PROGRAM KNOWN AS THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM, OR C R S C R S IS A RATING THAT COMMUNITIES WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, THIS IS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT RECEIVE THIS RATING BASED ON YOUR RATING. AND IT'S, IT STARTS OFF WITH A ONE. THE, UH, I MEAN, IT STARTS OFF WITH A 10 BEING THE LOWEST AND ONE BEING THE HIGHEST BASED ON THE RATING THAT YOU RECEIVE. UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE IN YOUR COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY GET A DISCOUNT IN THEIR, IN THEIR PAYMENT, UH, TO FLOOD INSURANCE. FOR THE LONGEST TIME. CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS NOT BEEN A PART OF C R S, EVEN THOUGH WE DID. WE HAVE DONE A, A LOT OF WORK WITH FLOOD MANAGEMENT AND, AND, UH, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE WERE NOT A PART OF THAT HERE RECENTLY. WE STARTED THE AUDIT, WE STARTED THE WORK. UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME PRELIMINARY RESULTS. I'M NOT PREPARED TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU JUST YET, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED TO FEMA, BUT IT'S VERY GOOD RATINGS. A LOT OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE IN THE BOOKS TODAY THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE ARE ACTUALLY AS A RESULT OF THE FEMA AUDIT THAT WAS PROVIDED, THAT REQUIRED US TO INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE SO THAT WE CAN GET THE FAVORABLE RATING THAT, UH, SHORTLY YOU GUYS WILL HEAR ABOUT, UH, THAT WILL REALLY TRANSLATE TO SOME GOOD, UH, UH, FLOODPLAIN REDUCTIONS IN, IN PAYMENTS TO FOLKS. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I WILL ALSO ADD, UH, TO WHAT NEFI JUST SAID, THAT AS A RESULT OF THAT AUDIT BY FEMA, A LOT OF THESE AMENDMENTS WERE UPDATED TO ACCOUNT FOR FEMA'S MINIMUM STANDARDS. SO IN ORDER TO BE IN LINE WITH OUR ORDINANCE AND BE IN LINE WITH FEMA, WE HAD TO UPDATE SOME OF THIS CODE LANGUAGE. SO I'LL ADD THAT AS WELL. UM, SO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 35 F 1 0 6, WHICH IS SIMPLY JUST, UH, DEFINITIONS TO OUR FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE. UM, WE PROVIDED CLARIFICATION BETWEEN OUR 1% ANNUAL CHANCE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH WE ALSO CALL THE EFFECTIVE FLOODPLAIN, UH, VERSUS OUR REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS OUR 100 YEAR ULTIMATE OR FUTURE CONDITIONS FLOODPLAIN BOUNDARY, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO REGULATES TO. UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON SOME OF THESE, UM, DEFINITIONS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, SABRINA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS AMENDMENT? I HAVE A COUPLE OF MINOR CHANGES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. , WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING? LOOKING FOR MIKE SHANNON. YEAH. UNDER, UH, LOW WATER CROSSING, I YOU HAD THE SAME ONE, I THINK UNDER LOW WATER CROSSING. UM, I CAN'T TELL IF THERE'S SOME OF THIS. WHEN IT PRINTS IT LOOKS WEIRD. I CAN'T TELL IF THERE'S, IT SAYS ON THE LAST SENTENCE OF THAT. IT SAYS HIGHER FLOW STORM EVENTS. SHOULDN'T, THERE SHOULD BE A SPACE IN THERE. OKAY. I HAVE A SPACE ON MINE, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HOW IT PRINTED THROUGH. A LOT OF THAT'S COMMON THROUGHOUT. YEAH, YOU CAN TELL, DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR ISN'T. YEAH. YOU JUST CAN'T TELL. BUT FLOWING STILL IS TWO WORDS. AND THEN ON, UH, JUST TO PUT A SPACE. OH, YEAH. THAT'S WEIRD. I DON'T, THAT'S A LOT THAT DOES THAT HAPPEN? YEAH. I IT'S NOT JUST YOURS. NO, BUT ON MY APPLICATION, IT HAS THE SPACE THERE. SORRY. AND THEN ON, UH, THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON UN FLOODED ACCESS, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, PROCEED WITH CAUTION RANGE PER FIGURE. IT SAYS 24.3 0.1. IT SHOULD BE 4.3 0.1. [00:15:02] I'M SORRY, REPEAT THAT. THE FIGURE FLOODED, UN FLOODED ACCESS. OKAY. 4.3 0.1. OKAY. YEAH. SO DELETE THE TWO. THANK YOU, GEORGE. YOU BET. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS AMENDMENT? MOTION FOR APPROVAL? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY BIANCA. A SECOND BY, WHO IS IT, DEBBIE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION AND ACTION. ON U D C AMENDMENT 14 DASH ONE, AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 0 6. IT, UM, OH, THAT'S YOURS. I'M SO SORRY. NO PROBLEM. . HI, DEBBIE REED, TECHNICAL DIRECTOR FOR THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE. AND I SO APPRECIATE SOME OF NEPHEWS AND SABRINA'S COMMENTS, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE SABRINA'S TIME TO GOING OVER SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS WITH, UM, WITH OUR GROUP. BUT, UH, AND AS I APPRECIATE THAT, PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT. I DO WANNA BRING OUT THAT THESE AREAS PROVIDE A LOT OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS, AND THE FLOODPLAINS ESPECIALLY ARE THE SOURCE OF MANY ECOSYSTEM SERVICES THAT ARE NOW A PUBLIC ASSET. AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IN THIS CONCEPT INTO THE U D C ABOUT BEING ABLE TO ENHANCE AND PROTECT THESE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS. AND SO THIS IS A REALLY LONG DEFINITION, WAY TOO LONG FOR THE U D C, BUT I WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY, THAT THIS IS THE TYPE OF TERMINOLOGY THAT IS USED AND IS FREQUENT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND I MAY HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO MY AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO RUN THE CONCEPTS OF ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR NATURE-BASED STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS BEING, UH, DISCUSSED A LOT IN OUR REGIONAL FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT. I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO PLAY A PART IN OUR U D C AND BRING THAT KIND OF TO THE FOREFRONT OF OUR THINKING AS WE START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. AND THE RIPARIAN AREAS, WHICH THE RIPARIAN AREAS, WHAT'S USED IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY, BUT ACTUALLY IT'S BASICALLY OUR FLOODPLAIN. SO HAVING THOSE ENO IN THE SAME IN THE CONCEPT AND THEN TRIBUTARIES AND HOW IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY THE HEADWATERS TO TRIBUTARIES ARE TO THE FUNCTIONING OF OUR, UM, SYSTEMS, OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, OUR WATER QUALITY COMPONENT OF THOSE SYSTEMS, AND OF COURSE, THE RESILIENCY FOR FLOOD MITIGATION. ANY QUESTIONS? DEBBIE? THIS IS DEBBIE. THIS IS BIANCA. I HAD A QUESTION. UM, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA HAVE AMENDED LANGUAGE YES. TO THIS LANGUAGE HERE. DO WE HAVE IT? WOULD YOU LIKE THAT ? OH, COME ON. ALL RIGHT. SO ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING IS THE ONE THAT'S REALLY WAY TOO LONG. THE FUNDAMENTAL ECOLOGICAL SERVICES THAT FLOODPLAIN, RIPARIAN AREAS OR S M Z AREAS PERFORM INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ECOLOGICAL SERVICES. AND THEN IT'S THE ASSISTED MITIGATING NON-POINT SERVICE POLLUTION. AND ALL OF THOSE ARE ADDED DOWN TO THE PERIOD OF MIGRATORY BIRDS AND THAT THE REST IS DELETED THAT UP SCREEN. YEAH. 'CAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT WRITTEN, THERE YOU GO. I KNOW I STRUGGLED NOT WITH THE CONCEPT, BUT WITH THE WORDS OF THIS. THIS IS BIANCA. SO FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S NOT GONNA MANDATE ANYTHING. IT'S ONLY ADDING ADDITIONAL VERBIAGE. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NO INCREASED COST. OR I HAVE A QUESTION. IS SS M Z DEFINED ANYWHERE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ZONE? THINK, BUT IS IT IN THE CODE DEFINITION OF IT? IN THE IT IS. AND THERE'S SOME PLACE, THAT'S HOW I FIGURED IT IN THERE, FIGURED IT OUT. IT'S IN THE DRAINAGE MANUAL, BUT NOT CODE, RIGHT? NO, IT'S IN THE U IT WAS IN APPENDIX H. IT IS IN THE U D C BECAUSE IT'S, I'M, I'M, I JUST LOOKED IT UP TOO, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, BECAUSE CAN WE, CAN WE CONSIDER SPELLING IT OUT HERE SINCE IT'S IN ANOTHER AREA? YES. I ALSO HAD SOME QUESTIONS. UM, THE, THE ASTRI ASTERISK NEXT TO ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING. WHAT, WHAT IS THAT FOR? WHAT IS THAT REFERENCE [00:20:02] ASTERISK RIGHT NEXT TO, RIGHT AFTER FUNCTIONING? THERE'S AN ASTERISK. WHAT IS THAT FOR? THE ASTERISK ARE REFERRING TO THE CITATIONS. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THESE DID COME FROM ANOTHER SOURCE. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. THEY'RE NOT, THEY DO NOT NEED TO BE A PART OF THE, YEAH, I THINK SINCE YOU HAVE IT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YEAH, WE, THAT DRAWS MY EYES SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S BEING ADDED ANYWHERE ELSE. YOU PROBABLY GET RID OF THE ASTERISK FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADDING A DEFINITION. YEAH. UM, I HAD A QUESTION ALSO ON TRIBUTARY MM-HMM. . SO A TRIBUTARY IN, IN MY MIND IS NOT ALWAYS A FRESH WATER STREAM. IT COULD BE IN OTHER PARTS. UM, UM, WHAT'S THE WORD THAT I'M THINKING OF WHEN IT'S LIKE, SALTY, KIND OF SALTY. IT'S LIKE, LIKE AN ESTUARY TYPE SCENARIO. YEAH. UM, BRACKISH. THANK YOU. BRACKISH. UM, SO IS IT FRESHWATER BECAUSE OUR STREAMS IN SAN ANTONIO ARE NOT BRACKISH. IS THAT WHY YOU INCLUDED FRESHWATER? NO, ACTUALLY, THE OFFICIAL DEFINITION OF A TRIBUTARY IS FOR FRESHWATER. THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. OKAY. UM, OKAY. 'CAUSE I'VE, YEAH, I'M SEEING IT JUST AS A STREAM, RIVER OR CREEK. UM, ISN'T THAT ALL? WOULD AN A RIVER OR CREEK ALSO BE CONSIDERED A TRIBUTARY? I'M JUST TRYING TO EXPAND IT. I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO, I'M NOT. NO, NO. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT YOUR PRIMARY SECONDARY, UM, STREAMS AND TRIBUTARIES. SO YES, THERE'S A, A CATEGORIZATION, A HIERARCHY OF THEM. OKAY. BUT THE TRIBUTARY JUST TO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT REALLY DEFINED ANYWHERE. AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE A PART OF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM. SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER EXPANDING IT TO, UM, A RIVER CREEK OR STREAM THAT FEEDS INTO A LARGER STREAMER RIVER AND TAKING OFF FRESHWATER OR, YEAH. YOU WANNA LEAVE IT AS IS? YEP, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. 'CAUSE I CAN I SEE YOUR CONCERN? I JUST DIDN'T WANNA MISQUOTE WHERE I WAS QUOTING. OH, I SEE. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE IT QUOTED SPECIFICALLY. YES. AND THAT'S OKAY. THIS IS FOR US. OKAY. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT WORDING AGAIN ON THE, OH, UM, IS A RIVER CREEK OR STREAM. AND THEN MY LAST EDIT WOULD BE SPACING ON RIPARIAN IN THE FIRST SENTENCE. TYPICAL AT THE END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE OR THE END OF THE FIRST LINE. IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND SENTENCE. TYPICAL EXAMPLES TO SPACE. THOSE WERE ALL MY EDITS AND QUESTIONS. THANK YOU CHRISTOPHER FULLERTON. JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION IN TERMS OF REFERENCES LIKE THIS I CAN THINK OF, OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE'VE ADDRESSED, UH, YOU KNOW, REFERENCES TO THE C F OR STATUTES OR PROFESSIONAL MANUALS, THAT KIND OF THING. IS THERE A, A U D C STANDARD METHODOLOGY FOR HOW WE REFER TO, SAY, DEFINITIONS FROM SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE? WHETHER IT'S JOURNALS OR OTHER GROUPS LIKE THAT? A FEDERAL AGENCY? I THINK WITH THIS ONE, UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS STORM WATER RELATED, I WOULD DEFER TO REINA ON WHERE THEY WOULD RECOMMEND WE GRAB OUR, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME ON THIS? NO, CAN HEAR YOU. I MEAN, IF, IF THE QUESTION GENERALLY IS DO WE HAVE A, A DEFINED METHODOLOGY FOR HOW TO CITE THESE SORT OF SOURCES? WE DO NOT. WE, WE CAN CREATE A DEFINITION AS, AS WE SEE FIT TO ADOPT IT LOCALLY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY FORMAL MECHANISM TO CITE THE MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE, UH, GENERATED THOSE DEFINITIONS FROM. AND TYPICALLY IN THE U D C, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF LIKE, SCIENTIFIC REFERENCES AND THEY'RE CREATED PRETTY MUCH FOR OUR USE. SO, OKAY. ARE WE READY TO GO BACK TO THE CHANGE IN THE FIRST E THE DEFINITION FOR ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING? I, I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SPELLING OUT SS M Z AREAS, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED SS M Z AREAS TO BE BOLDED. RIGHT? THAT'S STREAMSIDE MANAGEMENT ZONE. STREAM MANAGEMENT AND SIDE IS ONE WORD. STREAMSIDE IS ONE WORD IN THE CODE. THANK YOU. [00:25:10] THAT'S BETTER. YEP. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RIPARIAN DEFINITION. SO THE S M Z IS DEF HAS DEFINED IN THE CODE AND IT HAS A BUFFER WIDTH SPECIFIED. MM-HMM. , WAS THERE AN ATTEMPT TO HAVE A BUFF B I MEAN, THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ALMOST, THEY ARE THE SAME THING. YES. SO SHALL WE RELATE 'EM IN THE TERMINOLOGY? I WOULD RECOMMEND IT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY SIMILAR. UM, BOTH, LIKE, THE EFFECTIVE ADJACENT TO THE STREAM FLOOD PLAIN IS THE SAME AS INTERMITTENT PERENNIAL STREAMS, RIVERS, LAKES, SLEWS, PONDS, CREEKS, RESERVOIR, WATERSHED. UM, IT'S UP TO YOU. IS THAT A CHANGE YOU WISH TO MAKE OR IT JUST, IT'S ALMOST DUPLICATE TO ME. UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE BUTT, THERE'S NO WIDTH SPECIFIED FOR THE RIPARIAN AREA, BUT THE STREAMSIDE MANAGEMENT ZONE DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO THE, UM, VEGETATION AND THE SOILS AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT WE COULD EQUIVALATE THEM PRETTY MUCH TO THE SAME ZONES SITU, BECAUSE HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE SEEING THE SCREEN. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE HE SEES THE DEFINITIONS JUST IN CASE HE WANTS TO CHIME IN. AND MAYBE CAN WE PULL UP THE, THOSE DEFINITIONS IN THE CODE TODAY? LIKE THERE'S A RIPARIAN BUFFER, BUT NOT RIPARIAN AREA. EXACTLY. AND TO RYAN'S POINT, THERE'S THE STREAMSIDE MANAGEMENT ZONE, WHICH IS MORE SIMILAR TO THIS. THAT'S, I JUST GOT PROMOTED TO THE BIG CHAIR. WOOHOO. I WOULD, I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE, UM, REMOVE ANY LINKS TO WEBSITES BECAUSE THE WEBSITES DO SOMETIMES CHANGE AND, OR ARE REMOVED OR PAGES GET. AND I'D HATE TO HAVE THAT IN OUR DEFINITION AND, AND NOT HAVE AN ACTIVE WEBSITE. SO I'D, I'D, I'D REQUEST IF WE COULD PLEASE REMOVE THAT. OKAY. RYAN, DOES THAT DEFINITION TAKE CARE OF YOUR QUESTION? REALLY? [00:30:21] JUST, OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ALONG THOSE LINES ON THAT? ARE WE GOOD WITH THE DEFINITION, THE REVISED DEFINITION OF ECOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING? YEAH. IT'S BETTER THAN THE FIRST ONE. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENT? NO, I DIDN'T SAY I SAID. OKAY. , ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE OTHER DEFINITIONS? ARE YOU READY FOR MOTION? WAS THAT KARA'S GETTING READY TO SAY SOMETHING? WELL, I MEAN, ALL OF THESE FOR ME, LIKE WHERE WE SAY GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, NATURE BASED, WE SAY WHAT IT, WE SAY IT INCORPORATES BOTH THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WE'RE DESCRIBING WHAT IT DOES. IT'S NOT A DEFINITION. SO, YOU KNOW, AND SAME THING ON THE FIRST ONE. WE'RE SAYING WHAT THEY DO, WE'RE NOT MAKING THEM A DEFINITION THAT GOES BACK. SO, YOU KNOW, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ME IS AN APPROACH THAT TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT THAT PROTECTS, RESTORES OR MIMICS NATURAL CHANNEL VERSUS IT INCORPORATES ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. THOSE ARE A DESCRIPTION OF IT, NOT A DEFINITION OF WHAT IT DOES AND WHAT IT IS. SO THE WORDING ON EACH, THE FIRST COUPLE, THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE. LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN SAY THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY, THEY'RE MORE OF A DESCRIPTOR THAN THE DEFINITION. SO DO I HEAR THAT YOU WOULD PREFER APPROACH VERSUS INCORPORATE? I THINK STARTING WITH IS AN APPROACH TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT THAT PROTECTS, RESTORES OR MIMICS. SO THAT LANGUAGE THERE, IT'S ALREADY THERE, GUYS. IT'S JUST STRIKING THAT INCORPORATES THIS AND THIS, IT'S WHAT IT DOES. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN BE IN CODE OR I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS. THEY'RE JUST NOT READING AS DEFINITIONS. TO ME, THEY'RE MORE STATEMENTS OF GOALS AND FUNCTIONS OF THOSE. IS THERE A SIMILAR EDIT TO THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE IT SEEM MORE LIKE A DEFINITION? OR IS THAT, I DON'T WANT TO USE MY BRAIN FOR THAT. OKAY. I, I MEAN, I, YOU, YOU HAVE LIMITED, UH, RESOURCES. VERY LIMITED. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT? EDIT CONCERNS, COMMENTS? NO. KARA, DID YOU ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL EDITS FOR THE FIRST ONE? NO, I DON'T WANT TO THINK THROUGH IT TO BE HONEST. . ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND BY, UH, MOTION BY BIANCA. SECOND BY JODY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. TWO DOWN. OKAY. NINE. UH, ITEM THREE, DISCUSSION AND ACTION. ON U D C AMENDMENT 14 DASH TWO AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 24. ON BEHALF OF THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER ALLIANCE CHAIRPERSON, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW THIS AMENDMENT. 14.2. SO, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS WISHED TO WITHDRAW, WITHDRAW THIS AMENDMENT. DO WE NEED TO, UH, VOTE ON THAT? OKAY, SO THE APPLICANT WISH WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. SECOND, A SECOND BY MS. TACKETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. BOB MUST HAVE A DATE. , I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT . OKAY. ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDMENT 27 DASH 32 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 24. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO THESE, UM, AMENDMENTS TO THIS SECTION OF THE CODE ARE MAINLY CLARIFICATION [00:35:01] ITEMS, UM, AS WELL AS PROVIDING SOME GUIDANCE FOR, UM, C I P PROJECTS, UM, CITY, CITY OR FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS. AND ALSO PROVIDE SOME ALLOWANCES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHERE THE CODE WAS VERY RESTRICTIVE. UM, SO MOST OF THEM ARE JUST GENERAL, UM, CLEANUP PROVISIONS. A LOT OF THESE IS, UM, I'LL ALSO ADD THAT, UM, IN THE DEFINITIONS, WHICH WAS F 1 0 6. UM, WE PROVIDE A CLARIFICATION BETWEEN THE EFFECTIVE FLOODPLAIN VERSUS THE REGULATORY FLOOD PLAIN. AND SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE CHANGE HERE. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY. DEBBIE REED, UM, SABRINA, JUST TO CLARIFY, TO MAKE SURE, SO IF A, UM, DEDICATED DRAINAGE EASEMENT OR A RIGHT OF WAY IS CREATED, THEN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS TURNED OVER TO THE CITY TO BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY. YES. SO THESE, UM, DRAINAGE EASEMENTS OR RIGHTS AWAY ARE PUBLIC. THEY WILL HAVE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PUBLIC WORKS. SO THE CITY WOULD END UP TAKING CARE OF THOSE IN PERPETUITY. ABSOLUTELY, DEBBIE. THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN IT IS, WHEN IT IS, UH, PROVIDED TO US AS A PUBLIC EASEMENT, AND IT IS SOMETHING, THEN IT, IT GOES INTO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR WEBSITE THAT, UH, WE HAVE THAT MAINTAINS ALL THE CHANNELS, GETS UPDATED, UM, AND IN SOME CASES WE HAVE TO PURCHASE EQUIPMENT, HIRE STAFF TO, TO UH, MAINTAIN THAT ADDITIONAL. WOW, THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE INVESTMENT. THANK YOU. I THINK JULIE HAD A QUESTION. I HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS AND A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UM, FIRST ON C ONE ON OUR COPY, FLOODPLAIN IS CONTAINED SHOULDN'T FLOODPLAIN AND IS NEEDS A SPACE. UM, AND ALSO ON NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED THE, AND AFTER WAY, JUST BECAUSE THIS, UH, SAYS, UM, IT'S PERMITTED SOLELY WHEN ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET AND ARM MET NEEDS SPACE, ALL MET ON, ON C, THE END OF C UH, IF YOU GO UP A LITTLE BIT YEP. MOVE YOUR CURSOR UP. THERE YOU GO. UM, I HAD A QUESTION IN THE SAME SECTION. C FOUR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IS CAPITALIZED, I'M ASSUMING. IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S DEFINED SOMEWHERE IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS? YES. OKAY. IT'S DEFINED ELSEWHERE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE TYPICALLY, THAT'S JUST HOW WE IDENTIFY IT. 'CAUSE WE HAVE IT AS AN ACRONYM, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ALSO ON C FOUR SPACING BETWEEN THE STUDIED REACH OF THE AND STUDIED, UM, A QUESTION ON E SO IT STARTS OFF BY SAYING IT WILL NOT INCREASE THE EFFECTIVE, UM, FLOODPLAIN VELOCITY YET. UM, ONE OF THE OPTIONS OR EXAMPLES IS A CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW A CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL DOES NOT INCREASE THE VELOCITY? SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE A CONCRETE LINE CHANNEL, ALTHOUGH CONCRETE, UM, WILL HAVE A ROAST OF VELOCITIES ON THE, IN, ON THE ORDER OF 25 FEET PER SECOND, WHICH IS, I MEAN, THAT WATER SCREAMING THROUGH THERE. AND SO WE JUST OUTLINED THOSE. AND, AND TO FURTHER ADD TO THAT, THAT KIND OF MOSTLY ALIGNS WITH HOW THE C I P PROJECTS ARE, UM, SAN ANTONIO RIVER PORTIONS OF SAN ANTONIO RIVER, WE'VE GOT CONCRETE LINE CHANNELS. UM, BUT IT WAS JUST A CLARIFICATION REALLY THERE. OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT FOR ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, YES, GEORGE, GO AHEAD. THIS IS ROBERT TAPIA. UM, ON ITEM F 19, UM, I'VE NOTICED THROUGHOUT SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS, THE TERM REHABILITATION, UM, JUST A SUGGESTION YOU MIGHT TRY, UM, TO INTRODUCE THE RE THE TERM [00:40:01] RETROFIT. SO, UM, JUST WANNA CLARIFY THESE. I ITEMS 18, UM, 18 IS NEW 19 AND THE REST THEREAFTER, OR JUST REORGANIZING THE NUMBERS NUMBERING STRUCTURE. UM, SO THESE ARE, ALTHOUGH BLUE, THEY'RE NOT NEW VERBIAGE, THEY'RE NOT NEW LANGUAGE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN APPENDIX THEFT. OH. SO IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN JUST THE NUMBER, JUST THE NUMBER BLUE. OH, OKAY. BUT ROBERT, ARE YOU SAYING IN HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE, THE LANGUAGE WOULD NOT REALLY BE A RETRO REHABILITATION OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE? IT WOULD BE A RETROFIT. RETROFIT WOULD BE THE TERMINOLOGY FROM A HISTORIC PERMITTING WOULD BE THAT'S THE LATEST TERM, YES. OKAY. IT ALSO, YOU'LL FIND THAT TERM IN THE INTERNATIONAL SCOPE OF THINGS AS WELL. I DISAGREE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS USING. UM, AND BEFORE WE CHANGE THAT, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET THEM TO WEIGH IN ON IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T USE THE LANGUAGE RETROFIT IN THEIR TERMINOLOGY IN THE SECTION IN THE U D C I. I WILL ADD THAT WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION OF REHABILITATION IN THE U D C, THE ACT OR PROCESS OF RETURNING A BUILDING OBJECT SITE OR STRUCTURE TO A STATE OF UTILITY THROUGH REPAIR, REMODELING, OR ALTERATION THAT MAKES POSSIBLE AND EFFICIENT CONTEMPORARY USE WHILE PRESERVING THOSE PORTIONS OR FEATURES OF THE BUILDING OBJECT SITE OR STRUCTURE THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT TO ITS HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL AND CULTURAL VALUES. IT, IT GOES ON A LITTLE BIT FROM THERE, BUT I DON'T YEAH, THAT THAT WORKS. I'M JUST SAYING, I WOULD THINK LATELY RETROFIT IS COUNTER TO THAT. YOU'RE GONNA SEE RETROFIT, THE TERM RETROFIT, UH, BY CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS. AND INTERNATIONALLY THEY, THEY DON'T ASSOCIATE IT WITH THE REHABILITATION OR IT, WE'VE JUST MOVED TO A THAT TERM. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YOU JUST ADD RETROFIT. THAT'S WHAT IT, YOU COULD, UH, JUST ADDING THE WORD RETROFIT WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD. YEAH. I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND WE ADD THE WORD, LEAVE IT AS IS. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES. YOU'RE JUST RENUMBERING THAT AREA. I THINK IT CHANGES THE INTENT. THAT'S NOT A WORD THAT COMMONLY IS USED IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHICH THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM IS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING. OKAY. I'M GOOD WITH HISTORIC REPRESENTING IN THAT SLOT. I PROPOSE IT. YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S GIVEN, ISN'T IT CHRISTOPHER FULLERTON? UH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UH, THE, THE DECADES LONG PROCESS THAT THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S OFFICE HAVE USED HAS, HAS FOUR STANDARDS FOR PRESERVATION. UH, AND THIS INCLUDES THREE OF THE FOUR. UM, I, I DO KNOW THAT RETROFIT IS SHOWING UP MORE IN THE LITERATURE. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR HAS DECIDED TO EMBRACE THAT YET. UM, AND IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO CHECK WITH O H P TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS CODE SECTION IS, IS USING THESE TERMS OF ART SPECIFICALLY WHEN THE, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OUR HISTORIC OVERLAY AREAS, BEFORE WE INTRODUCE A TERM THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE A, A DEFINITION FOR, THEN LET'S JUST LEAVE IT ALONE. YEP. WE CAN, SORRY, MAKE NOTE ADDRESS AGAIN. YEAH, EXACTLY. IF IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINED, WE CAN ADDRESS IT THEN. OKAY. OKAY. UH, ON, UM, ITEM ON, UH, 25. YES. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, IT SAYS STORED MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT MAY ONLY BE ALLOWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION F DASH 14 TWO F. THAT'S BLANK IN THE CODE, I THINK. IS THERE AN AMENDMENT THAT IT'S A NEW, IT'S A, IT'S ONE OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. IT IS A NEW SECTION, YES. AND IT, THAT'S THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT AND STUFF. YES. AND THAT'S OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE FUTURE. THE, THE, THE REFERENCE. YEAH. GOOD, GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , KEN. OH, COME ON. KIM. WHAT IS OUR SCOPE? I, WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING THE ITEMS THAT ARE CHANGES, NOT THE ENTIRE SECTION. WELL, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE THE, THOSE ITEMS WERE BLUE. RIGHT? SO IT APPEARED LIKE THAT THEY WERE CHANGES. OKAY. BUT SO HE WAS QUESTIONING, BUT THEY SAID IT WASN'T. SO LET'S MOVE ON. WELL, WE DID. OKAY. , . DEBBIE HAD A QUESTION. I THINK HE ANSWERED IT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. [00:45:01] ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM OR A MOTION? MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY BIANCA. SECOND. SECOND BY KARA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. ITEM FIVE, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDMENT 27 DASH 33 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 25. ALL RIGHT, THIS ONE SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET. THIS IS JUST GENERAL CLEANUP, UM, OF PRIOR, UH, CODE REFERENCES. THE OLD DRAINAGE CODE WAS IN 35, 5 0 4. WE NOW HAVE THE DRAINAGE MANUAL, WHICH IS AN APPENDIX H. SO WE ARE JUST CLEANING THAT UP. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, MOTIONS, MOVE APPROVAL. MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY SUSAN. SECOND. SECOND BY BIANCA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM SIX, DISCUSSION, A POSSIBLE ACTION ON ITEM 27 DASH 34, AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 26. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS. THIS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT WE WERE NOT GENERALLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH ME. FEMA'S MINIMUM STANDARDS. SO THIS IS, UH, LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF LANGUAGE, BUT IT IS, UM, CURRENTLY FEMA'S MINIMUM STANDARDS. SO, RIGHT, IT'S A LOT TO READ, BUT, UM, BASICALLY IT IS, UM, IDENTIFYING SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS AND SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGES AS IT RELATES TO STRUCTURES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE FLOODPLAIN, MAPPED IN THE FLOODPLAIN MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY KARA, SECOND BY KEN. ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM SEVEN, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDMENT 14 DASH FOUR, AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 31. THEN CHAIR, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. CHAIR. UM, I WAS MISTAKEN. I, YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON IT. IF SHE IS WITH, IF SHE IS THE APPLICANT, WHICH SHE IS ON THIS ONE, THEN UM, THEN SHE CAN OFFICIALLY WITHDRAW. OKAY. SO THIS ITEM NUMBER, YOU ARE ON A ROLL, GIRL. LET'S KEEP GOING. , AFTER SOME FRIENDLY JOSTLING WE'VE REMOVED. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. . YEAH, . OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOR THE RECORD. YEAH, AFFECTING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT 27 DASH 35 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 32. SO THE PRE THE PRIOR, UM, AMENDMENT, UM, I EXPLAINED WAS SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS, SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, MAKING SURE WE WERE IN LINE WITH FEMA'S MINIMUM STANDARDS. UM, THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT CODE IS WRITTEN IS UNDER THIS SECTION, SO WE'RE DOING SOME GENERAL CLEANUP OF THAT. SO IT'S MOSTLY JUST STRIKING OUT LANGUAGE HERE AND MOVING, SHIFTING THAT SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS TO A DIFFERENT SECTION. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY KARA, A SECOND BY SUSAN. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CARRIES, ANA. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE ARE SOME SPELLING, SPACING STUFF GOING ON, YOU KNOW, IN THIS TEXT AS WELL. SO I ASSUME SOMEONE'S GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT THAT OVERALL, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE'RE BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME JUST NICKEL AND DIMING IT. SO YEAH, GEORGE WOULD HAVE US HERE FOREVER. YEAH, I WOULD. SO I, I, I I CAN CHIME IN ON THAT. SO WE OBVIOUSLY, BEFORE WE SUBMIT THESE AS A PACKAGE TO MUNI CODE, WHATEVER IS ULTIMATELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, WE GO THROUGH AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE CONVERTING FROM P D F TO WORD VICE VERSA, YOU DO GET THOSE SPACING ERRORS IN ADDITION TO THAT MUNI CODE RUNS IT THROUGH THEIR SYSTEM TO GATHER AND CATCH ALL THOSE ERRORS. SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEANS OF KIND OF CATCHING AND CORRECTING THOSE. UH, BUT THAT WILL CERTAINLY FALL ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE DUCKS ARE IN A ROW. , THANK YOU. IN THE EVENT FOR YOU. YOU BET. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER NINE, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDMENT 14 DASH THREE AFFECTING SECTION WITHDRAWAL FIVE DASH F 1 33 . YEAH, SO THIS AMENDMENT IS TO LOOK AT THE [00:50:01] SIX FEET PER SECOND, AND WE HAD ELIMINATED THE MAY AND SHALL, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS MAY BE ADDRESSED IN AN, UM, EFFORT, AN AMENDMENT THAT'S FURTHER ALONG, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE MAYBE THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS THIS WITH A REFERENCE TO THE, UM, UH, THE TEXT DOT MANUAL AND THE SHEER CALCULATIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED THERE FOR THAT TABLE FOUR POINT, SORRY, . BUT BASICALLY I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THAT WHEN YOU START GETTING EROSIVE FLOWS OVER SIX, UM, WHICH MOST OF THE FLOWS WOULD BE IN A NATURAL CHANNEL, THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE EROSION THAT'S OCCURRING IN THE STREAM BED ITSELF, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE VEGETATION PROTECTING THAT STREAM BED. AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. AND WITH THAT, IT NEEDED TO BE BACKED UP WITH CALCULATIONS. YES, KARA? WELL, TWO THINGS. ONE I HAVE IS CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON SLOPE AND IN AREAS OF THE RECHARGE ZONE SLOPE WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF ROCK SLOPE, WE ALREADY HAVE NATURAL VELOCITIES EXCEEDING SIX FEET PER SECOND. SO I'D HATE TO HAVE A WORD THAT SHALL, BUT AREN'T WE MOVING IN THE CODE AND REQUIREMENTS TO LOOK AT SHEAR STRESS INSTEAD OF VELOCITY? YES. SUCH THAT EVENTUALLY VELOCITY ISN'T OUR CHARACTERISTIC ANYMORE. SO FOR ME, I'D RATHER JUST LEAVE CODE ALONE BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING TO A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY AND LOOKING AT THOSE EROSIONS IN THOSE CONDITIONS. CARRIE, YOU'RE CORRECT. ONE OF THE, ACTUALLY ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND, MOVING TOWARD A SHEER STRESS INSTEAD OF, UH, ACTUAL VELOCITY. AND PART OF THE REASON, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE OUR CITY SITS, I'VE ALWAYS TOLD PEOPLE WE, WE LIVE ON THE SIDE OF A HILL. UM, AND SO WE HAVE AREAS THAT HAVE VERY, VERY FAST THAT THAT'S NATURAL. THAT'S THE WAY IT HAPPENS. AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE VERY FLAT. SO, UM, WE, WE, WE HAVE, SO I THINK THIS IS BEING ADDRESSED. SO IS THAT A WITHDRAWAL? OKAY, LET'S WITHDRAW THAT. , THANK FOR LETTING ME SPEAK MY CONCERN AFTER MORE FRIENDLY CAJOLING BANTER. BANTER. SORRY, YOU GET THAT RIGHT BANTER? YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE NEXT AGENDA. DEBBIE, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THE ONE THAT TALKS ABOUT SHEER STRESS WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, I THINK. YES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 10, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT ITEM 27 DASH 36 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 33. OKAY. SO THIS SECTION IS PROVIDING CLEAR GUIDANCE IN THE CODE AND TO IDENTIFY WHEN A L SEE A LETTER OF MAP CHANGE, I, EMAR OR L MARS ARE REQUIRED, PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS. SO, UM, THE LANGUAGE WAS, THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE IN INTERPRETATION OF THAT AMONGST SEVERAL, UM, PUBLIC WORKS PRIOR, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTORS AND DIRECTORS, UM, READ IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. SO WE'RE CLEANING THAT LANGUAGE UP. THERE'S ALSO FURTHER REFERENCES TO THE EFFECTIVE VERSUS THE REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN. SO WE ARE ALSO CLEANING SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE UP AS WELL AS REFERENCES TO OUR OLD DRAINAGE CODE 35 5 0 4. NOW OVER TO APPENDIX H. THE DRAINAGE MANUAL I WILL ADD THERE IS ITEM EIGHT, UM, CHANGES IN FLOODPLAIN ELEVATION THAT WAS FROM LAST YEAR'S RID. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. OKAY. SABRINA, MY QUESTION, WHEN YOU SAY CAPITAL PROJECTS, IS THAT INTENDED TO ONLY BE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, OR WOULD THAT ALSO APPLY TO SAY BEXAR COUNTY IN R E T J WHERE OUR CODE APPLIES? BEAR COUNTY, SARAH? YES. SINCE THOSE TYPICALLY DON'T FILE CLRS. YES. THE FLOOD PLAIN ADMINISTRATOR. THANK YOU. YES. THIS IS AN EFFORT FOR US TO FOLLOW OUR OWN RULES. YES. THANK YOU, . SO THIS DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, LIKE ON THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OFTEN HAS TO DO CL OR LMER IN THE PLACE OF A COUNTY OR OTHER ENTITIES PROJECT. BECAUSE IT'S FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, THEY DO NOT DO THEM. SO IT CREATES LOTS OF CODE OVERLAP AND FLOODPLAIN PROBLEMS. SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT TO PUT ON YOUR MIC SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU, BECAUSE THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL CONCERN. OH YEAH. SO SORRY. TODAY, UM, WHEN YOU ARE, SAY EXAMPLE, BEXAR COUNTY IS THE FLOODPLAIN [00:55:01] ADMINISTRATOR. THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO FLY, UH, FILE A CLR, WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP REVISION, WHICH IS THE STUDY UPFRONT BEFORE YOU BUILD A PROJECT THAT SAYS, THIS IS THE IMPACT OF MY PROJECT ON THE FLOODPLAIN. SO IF A DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND IS IN PROXIMITY TO WHERE THE COUNTY HAS DONE A PROJECT, THEY HAVE TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT THEIR PROJECT, BUT THEY HAVE TO INCORPORATE THE COUNTY'S PROJECT INTO THEIR STUDY. AND THAT IS NOT ALWAYS A SIMPLE EFFORT TO ACCOMPLISH, YOU KNOW, ADDED SURVEY FOR PICKING UP THE COUNTIES IF IT'S COMPLETE OR NOT. AND SO THIS WOULD JUST KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP TO WHERE HIS NEPHEW SAID PUBLIC ENTITIES WOULD ALSO BE FOLLOWING THOSE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS A PRIVATE PROJECT WOULD. AND IF I COULD ADD ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT KNOW WHAT ALOMAR AND LOMAR ARE, UM, IT, IT, IT IS IMPORTANT AND IT IS IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PROJECT THAT IS GONNA BE BUILT, WHAT IS IT GOING TO DO TO THE FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN THIS STUDY HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO FEMA FOR A REVIEW. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND THEN THE PROJECT GETS BUILT, UH, IN THE PAST, UH, WE WOULD JUST GO AND BUILD IT, AND THEN WE WOULD DO THIS STUDY. AND THERE IT MAY HAVE BEEN A SITUATION WHERE THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND MAYBE HAVE HAD, MAYBE HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT. SO THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO SEE IT UP FRONT. UM, AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH FEMA. AND WHEN, WHEN THE AUDIT WAS CONDUCTED BY FEMA, THIS WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE GOT, WE GOT DOCKED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. SO IT, IT'S IMPORTANT. UH, REAL QUICK, SABRINA ON, UH, SIX, ITEM SIX ON THERE. IT TALKS ABOUT ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION ASSOCIATED WITH A CLR HAS BEEN COMPLETED, NO VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION IS ALLOWED, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE WAY THE PLATT REATION CAN HAPPEN, RIGHT? THAT'S STAYING THE SAME. THAT'S STAYING, THIS WAS ANOTHER, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST BLEW AND UNDERLINED THE NUMBER THERE, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S STAYING THERE. THAT SECTION HAS NOT CHANGED FROM PRIOR, UM, THE CURRENT CODE, CORRECT? RIGHT. AND I HAVE ONE MINOR COMMENT UP ON THREE AT THE END. IT SAYS, APPROVED BY FEMA OR THE CLR LMER HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COSA. YES. AND THAT YOU SHOULD ADD THE WORD AND SUBMITTED TO FEMA. THANK YOU. THIS, BIANCA, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT A NUMBER 12 WHERE IT SAYS THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR MAY DENY A PERMIT BASED ON HISTORICAL HIGH WATER RESCUES, REPETITIVE LOSSES, OR OTHER FACTORS AFFECTING PUBLIC SAFETY. UM, WHERE IS THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE PUBLICLY? THE HISTORICAL HIGH WATER RESCUES THE REPETITIVE LOSSES WHEN YOU UTILIZE THIS INFORMATION TO DENY A PERMIT. SO, UM, BECAUSE REPETITIVE LOSSES HAS TO DO WITH PROPER PRIVATE PROPERTIES, UM, THAT INFORMATION CANNOT BE DISCLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. UM, HOWEVER, FEMA, UM, EVERY YEAR GIVES US THAT DATA. UM, SO WE HAVE THAT, UM, THE HIGH WATER RESCUES, THAT IS DATA THAT WE COORDINATE WITH SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, HOUSED HERE IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. WE DO THAT COORDINATION AS NEEDED, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE'S A PROJECT THAT WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S ISSUES THERE AS FAR AS, UM, WATER OVER TOPPING THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE ROADS, UM, WE'LL COORDINATE WITH THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT AND GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AS SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION WHY WE MAY, UM, OR MAY NOT DENY A, A PLAT OR A PERMIT. IF, IF I COULD ADD ALSO THE, UH, OUR HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN THAT THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UM, HAS AND IS AVAILABLE ONLINE TO DOWNLOAD, INCLUDES THE INFORMATION OF THE LOCATIONS OF, OF PREVIOUS, UH, FLOOD RESCUES. OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T, FOR PRIVACY SAKE, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE NAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS, THE HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN DOES INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION AND IS AVAILABLE ONLINE. AND I JUST HAD A MINOR EDIT ON THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. I WANTED TO ADD FACTORS AFFECTING PUBLIC AND LIFE SAFETY. PUBLIC OR LIFE SAFETY. SORRY, . SO ADDING THE WORD OR LIFE IN FRONT OF THE WORD SAFETY. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS IN THIS ITEM ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY BIANCA. SECOND. SECOND BY DEBBIE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 11, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT 27 DASH 37 [01:00:01] AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 35. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS. UM, IN THE PAST, IF A C I P OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT HAD TO, UM, DO A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T MEETING A CERTAIN PROVISION OF THE THIS ORDINANCE, UM, IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THIS CURRENT, THE WAY THAT THIS SECTION IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT SEEMS TO ONLY PERTAIN TO PRIVATE LAND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SO WE ARE JUST PROVIDING SOME, SOME GUIDANCE HERE ON IF AND WHEN A C I P PROJECT NEEDS TO PROCESS THE VARIANCE THAT THAT, UH, GUIDANCE IS THERE. THEY'RE VERY RARE AND VERY FEW. UM, BUT, OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK MORE CLEAN UP REALLY MOTION TO APPROVE. I JUST, REAL, REAL QUICK, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHERE IT SAYS DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, IS THAT CORRECT? SHOULD THAT BE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS? SHOULD BE. I, I THINK THE INTENT IS THAT THE VARIANCE APPLICATION HAS TO GET SUBMITTED TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO THAT'S, WE CAN, WE CAN CORRECT THAT. SO EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WOULD HAVE TO DO. WE SUBMIT OUR VARIANCES TO DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. CORRECT. COULD IT BE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR PUBLIC WORKS AS APPLICABLE? AND Y'ALL WORK OUT THE PERMITS SINCE THAT ISN'T REALLY AN EXISTING PROCESS. I REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS MICROPHONE. UM, BUT UM, SO THE PROCESS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TIED TO A PLAT. THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT THROUGH, UM, THE BUILD ESSAY MM-HMM. , AND THEN, UH, IT'LL BE PROCESSED FOR STORMWATER REVIEW. UM, AND THEN STORMWATER PUTS THIS ON, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA OR, UM, WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS. SO I MEAN, REALLY, IT, IT COULD BE THAT THIS IS PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE IT'S STILL GOING BE THE DECISION OF PUBLIC WORKS. UM, REVIEW TEAM VERSUS DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. AND IT WON'T BE TIED TO A PLATT AS A C I P, IT WON'T HAVE A PLATT I'M SORRY. IT'S ON EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO IT GETS EVEN MORE CONFUSING. IT WOULD BE THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT OR P PERMIT, UH, THROUGH OUR SYSTEM. COULD WE SAY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR PUBLIC WORKS AS APPLICABLE? AND THAT'S FIGURED OUT SURE. IN THE PERMIT PROCESS. THAT'S PERFECT. I LIKE THAT. AND WE ADD A COMMA AFTER PUBLIC WORKS. THANK YOU GEORGE . THANK YOU. . SAME. OKAY. UH, DOES THAT LOOK GOOD TO EVERYBODY? I THINK WE HAD A MOTION BY DEBBIE. ARE YOU WILLING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO BE AS AMENDED? YES. AS AMENDED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY DEBBIE TO APPROVE THIS AS AMENDED A SECOND BY, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE SECOND WAS. JODY. JODY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 12, DISCUSSION. A POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDMENT 27 DASH 38 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 41. ALRIGHT, SO THIS, UM, SECTION IS AGAINST SOME GENERAL CLEANUP IN REFERENCE, UH, AND PROVIDING REFERENCES TO FEMA. UM, WE ALSO ARE ADDING, UM, ITEM SIX HERE, WHICH IS NEW. UM, AND THIS AGAIN WOULD PERTAIN TO SOME OF THE C I P PROJECTS, THE, OR FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, UM, INDICATING THAT CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS, UM, SHOULD BE ANCHORED TO WITHSTAND THE HYDRODYNAMIC AND HYDRO STATIC FORCES IF PLACED IN THE EFFECTIVE FLOODPLAIN. OTHERWISE, SH THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD COORDINATE TO HAVE THOSE CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS OUTSIDE OF THE EFFECTIVE FLOODPLAIN. SO MANNA, SO WE CHANGED EARLIER THE, THE DIALOGUE WITH REGARDS TO A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN IN REFERENCE AS THE 1% FLOODPLAIN. SO ARE WE GONNA GO THROUGH AND MAKE THAT CONSISTENT THROUGH THE U D C? 'CAUSE HERE WE HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN VERSUS A 1%. I DON'T, IS THAT DIFFERENT THERE? WE ATTEMPTED TO CATCH ALL OF THOSE . OKAY. GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. YOU, AND YOU KNOW, SO, AND YOU KNOW, IS THAT A QUESTION RELATED TO THE WHOLE U D C? ARE THEY GONNA DO A FINE SWAP FOR CHANGING A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN TO 1% FOR CONSISTENCY? SO I, I THINK WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS YOU TRY TO CAPTURE ALL THOSE. IF, IF WE CAN, WE CAN CORRECT IT HERE JUST TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT. BUT OUTSIDE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE THE TACK FOR CONSIDERATION, WE WON'T, WE AS STAFF CAN'T JUST RUN THROUGH [01:05:01] AND UPDATE ITEMS THAT WERE NOT SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION IN THE PUBLIC FORM. SO THEN IN THE DEFINITIONS THEN, DO WE HAVE TO CALL OUT AND IDENTIFY THAT THEY'RE ONE IN THE SAME SOMEWHERE? SO IN THE DEFINITION, SO THAT 1% EQUALS A HUNDRED PERCENT. WE DID THAT. WE DID THAT IN THE, THE F OH SIX. YEAH. ON THE FIRST A AMENDMENT WE HEARD. OKAY. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SABRINA. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON FIVE, BUT ARE WE TO PHILLIPS, WE'RE AMENDING THIS HERE SINCE IT'S BLUE LANGUAGE, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. WE'RE . YES. I THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT CHANGE TIME. YEP. I'M SORRY, GEORGE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO MY QUESTION WAS ON, NO, ON FIVE IT SAYS ALL NEW AND SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH TOILET SINK SHOWERS, WIRE HEATERS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. MM-HMM. , SHOULD THAT READ ALL NEW AND SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED WITH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. BECAUSE SHOWER MEANS, IT KIND OF TELLS YOU THAT ALL NEW AND SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO HAVE TOILET SINK SHOWERS, WATER HEATER, PRESSURE TANKS. AND THE INTENT IS THAT ANYTHING CONSTRUCTED WITH THOSE HAS TO BE FLOOD PROOFED. NOT THAT YOU, NOT THAT ALL SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS HAVE THOSE ITEMS. CORRECT? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. SO SHALL AND BE SHOULD BE DELIVERED. SHOULD BE STRICKEN. SHALL BE STRICKEN, SHALL BE, SHALL BE, SHALL BE STRICKEN. AND DID WE GET THE OTHER CHA PHILLIPS, UH, CHANGE MADE WORKING ON IT? YEAH. SO WE'RE JUST STRIKING A HUNDRED HERE AND JUST LEAVING THE EFFECTIVE FLOOD PLANE. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THE 1% IS EFFECTIVE, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO GEORGE ON YOUR AMENDMENT, THE SHALL BE, DOESN'T THAT MOVE DOWN TO ELEVATED? SHALL BE ELEVATED OR FOOL PROOFED? UM, SHALL BE ELEVATED, YEAH. OR FLOOD PROOFED. SO LAID BACK AND SHALL NO. SO IT GOES, SO SHOULD READ ALL NEWS. IT JUST MOVES DOWN. YEAH. THE SHALL BE GOES BELOW RIGHT BEFORE ELEVATED. SO IT SAYS, ALL NEW AND SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED WITH ALL THOSE ITEMS SHALL BE ELEVATED OR, OR FLOOD PROOFED. GOTCHA. RIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT. YES. LET ME KNOW IF WE'RE WRONG. THAT'S ITEM FIVE, RIGHT? YEP. YEP. YEAH. OKAY. AND, AND WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. JUST SAYING EFFECTIVE FLOOD PLAIN, CORRECT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE FOR APPROVAL MOTION BY KARA FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. SECOND. SECOND BY BIANCA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. ITEM 13, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT 27 DASH 39 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 42. OKAY, THIS IS GONNA BE A FUN ONE. UM, SO THIS IS A, A NEW SECTION, UM, AND BASICALLY IDENTIFIES SOME ALLOWANCES FOR SPECIFIC USES, UM, FOR WHERE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MIGHT BE PLACED. UM, SO WE'RE PROVIDING SOME CLEAR GUIDANCE ON IF AND WHEN AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS, UM, PERMITTED, WHAT REQUIREMENTS THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET. UM, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING SOME, UM, CLEAR GUIDANCE ON MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. UM, SOME LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS SECTION. THIS, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF BROADWAY, UM, WITH THE UNIQUENESS OF THE FLOODPLAIN ON BROADWAY , UM, HAS BROUGHT THIS TO LIGHT. UM, AND IT HAS CREATED SEVERAL ISSUES BECAUSE AS THE CURRENT CODE READS, UM, SOME HABITABLE STRUCTURES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FLOODPLAIN, UM, COMMERCIAL USES ARE. SO SOME OF THESE, UM, RES, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR, OR, UM, CONDOS THAT ARE BUILT ALONG BROADWAY, WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES THERE. SO THIS IS, UM, BASICALLY JUST PROVIDING SOME GUIDANCE AND, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AND THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS FOR EXISTING USES. SO SOME OF THE, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, THOSE ARE, AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE, IF YOU READ THE LANGUAGE FOR, SPECIFICALLY FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, WHICH IS ITEM D, UM, WE CLEARLY IDENTIFY THAT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THE MAIN [01:10:01] STRUCTURE, HAS TO HAVE BEEN BUILT PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE FLOODPLAIN BEING ADOPTED. SO WHETHER THAT'S PLOTTED OR PERMITTED, THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAD TO HAVE BEEN BUILT BEFORE THE SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2010. EFFECTIVE FLOOD PLANS, IN ADDITION, EXCUSE ME, WE ARE IDENTIFYING THAT THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT MUST MEET CURRENT STANDARDS AND MUST BE ELEVATED ONE FOOT ABOVE THE REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN. AND SABRINA, TO BE CLEAR, THIS ALSO HAS TO FOLLOW THE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO THIS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT CANNOT BE, LET'S SAY, SOMETHING MUCH, MUCH GREATER THAN THE MAIN HOUSE OR THE MAIN STRUCTURE. THERE'S SOME OTHER GUIDANCE THERE THAT PROHIBITS THAT. CORRECT. WE ALSO PUT A, A, A PROVISION IN, IN HERE, UM, MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROVISION ABOUT IF WE KNOW THAT, UH, THE STRUCTURE HAS, THE NEW STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED, UM, OR IF WE KNOW OR HAVE BEEN AWARE OF ANY HIGH WATER RESCUES IN THE, THE AREA OR HAS REPETITIVE LOSSES, THEN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION WOULD BE DENIED. AND LET ME ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND, AND, AND SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE OF THIS CHALLENGE. UM, FEMA FLOODPLAIN, AS WE KNOW IT TODAY, DID NOT COME INTO EXISTENCE UNTIL 1970. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THAT. THINK OF HOW LONG OUR CITY HAS BEEN IN, IN EXISTENCE. WE'RE OVER 300 YEARS OLD. IT USED TO BE THAT PEOPLE WOULD JUST BUILD RIGHT UP, UP AGAINST THE CREEK. WELL, IN 1970, FEMA CREATED THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, OR THE 1% CHANCE AND CREATED THIS SITUATION. AND NOW WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODPLAIN. IT'S NOT THAT WE ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN, IT'S THAT THERE WASN'T A FLOODPLAIN TO THAT EXISTED AT THE TIME, BECAUSE IN 1970, THIS BECOMES NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, IT BECOMES A REAL CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, ACROSS THE CITY. THINK OF HOW MANY NEIGHBORHOODS WERE BUILT PRIOR TO 1970. THAT BECOMES A REAL BIG ISSUE, UH, FOR US IN TRYING TO MANAGE OUR, OUR FLOODPLAIN. UH, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT IF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THESE, WE SOMETIMES END UP WITH A VARIANCE. THE VARIANCE THEMSELVES BECOMES AN ISSUE. WHEN, WHEN FEMA COMES AND PERFORMS AUDITS, THEY IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE, UH, TO THE VARIANCE AND QUESTION WHY. AND ULTIMATELY, IF WE HAVE TOO MANY VARIANCES, OBVIOUSLY THAT IMPACTS OUR RATING, WHICH, WHICH C R S AND, AND ULTIMATELY N F I P. ALRIGHT, IS THERE QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? BIANCA, THIS IS BIANCA. UM, THANK YOU. UM, THIS ONE'S A HARD ONE FOR ME. AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, UM, WHO CARRIES FLOOD INSURANCE, WHO IS SEEKING TO HOPEFULLY HAVE THE DISCOUNT THAT MAY COME WITH THE C R SS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE CARROT THAT'S BEEN DANGLED AND TALKED ABOUT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M THANKFUL THAT THE CITY IS FINALLY JOINING 78 OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE, SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HERE IN THE, IN THE AREA THAT ARE ALREADY MEMBERS AND PROVIDE THAT DISCOUNT. WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH IS, YOU KNOW, I SAT ON THE BOND COMMITTEE NEFFY, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE LARGE VALUE OF NEED FOR DRAINAGE, AND YET THE MAJORITY OF THE DRAINAGE MONIES WERE ALLOCATED TO AREAS NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE IN AREAS, NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN, THE HEARTBURN IS ALSO WHAT RUNS OFF FROM THE NON FLOODPLAIN AREA INTO THE FLOODPLAIN AREA, BECAUSE, LET'S BE HONEST, RESIDENTIAL INFILL DEVELOPMENT PERMITS, THERE'S NO DRAINAGE REVIEW FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE SAME. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT FUNDAMENTAL AREAS IN THE URBAN CORE THAT HAD NO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE CONSIDERATION, ALLOWING MORE DEVELOPMENT IN AN ALREADY, WHAT WE KNOW IS A, UH, A DELICATE AREA IS NOT MAKING THE SITUATION ANY BETTER. AND I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL, THE GOAL IS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING VARIANCES. SO YOU'RE NOT DINGED ONCE WE'RE IN THE C R SS PROGRAM TO ENSURE THAT YOU CAN OFFER WHAT LITTLE DISCOUNT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO PAY THOSE INCREASING COSTS FOR FLOOD INSURANCE. AND I'LL TELL YOU, I HAVE A GRANDFATHERED POLICY, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE FEDERAL RATE STRUCTURE FOR THOSE INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR FLOOD POLICIES, THEY ARE DRASTICALLY INCREASING DOUBLE DIGIT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. AND IT'S NOT SLOWING DOWN. AND SO, WHILE I BE, WHILE I MIGHT BE GRANDFATHERED SOMEONE ELSE WHO MAY TRY TO PULL A POLICY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY FOR A HOMEOWNER TO PAY. AND SO I STRUGGLE WITH THIS PROPOSED SPECIFICALLY DEE, AS IN DAVID, THE ONE ABOUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. AND WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS [01:15:01] FOR INFILL AND OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S EXTREMELY SENSITIVE FOR ME, BECAUSE, I MEAN, NEPHEW, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST IN WHERE I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN, BUT SEVERAL OTHER COUNCIL DISTRICTS, YOU HAD TO DO A PILOT PROGRAM TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE AND ALLEYS BECAUSE NOT JUST OUR STREETS, BUT OUR ALLEYWAYS ARE USED FOR DRAINAGE AND HOW WATER IN AN ALLEYWAY IN A NON FLOODPLAIN AREA, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND HOUSE AND, AND HOUSES ARE GETTING FLOODED. SO THIS IS LIKE A COMPOUNDING ISSUE THAT WHILE I GET WHAT WE'RE GIVING UP HERE TODAY, THERE NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE. I MEAN, I REALLY HOPE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A GREATER FOCUS ON DRAINAGE AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE TRIBUTARY, THE ENTIRE WATERSHED TO PLAN. AND, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP SAYING, WE HAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF NEED IN DRAINAGE. OUR GOOD FRIENDS AT TDOT DON'T MAKE IT ANY EASIER FOR US. YOU KNOW, THEY OWN SOME ROADWAYS, THEY DECIDE, THEY CLAIM 'EM, AND THEN THEY DON'T CLAIM 'EM, AND THEN THEY WANT 'EM BACK. WELL, THEY FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ADDRESS THAT ARE THERE. AND I THINK OF FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, I THINK OF BANDERA, I THINK OF BROADWAY. I THINK OFRA, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALL THESE ROADWAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE FOR ME. AND I JUST, I DON'T WANT US TO, I DIDN'T WANNA BE, I DIDN'T WANNA APPROVE THIS WITHOUT STATING ALL THIS FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE WE ARE A TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOSE TECHNICAL ELEMENTS THAT EXIST, THAT ALREADY CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FLOODPLAINS AS IT EXISTS TODAY, WOULD BE SHORTSIGHTED. AND I JUST WILL, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DO SO MUCH TO IMPROVE AND TO MOVE THE NEEDLE, AND SOMETIMES WE GET PUSHBACK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE ATLAS 14, THE NEW FLOOD MAPS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING OUT. THOSE ARE SUPPOSEDLY COMING OUT THIS SUMMER. SO, I MEAN, WE HOPE THE FLOODPLAINS NOT EXPANDING. UM, AND WE HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MORE STRUCTURES IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT THAT IS OUR MOST SENSITIVE AREA. AND SO I JUST, I JUST HAVE STRONG CONCERN BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF INFIELD DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF ENCOURAGEMENT TO ADD MORE DENSITY, ADD MORE DENSITY, WHERE'S IT GONNA BE ADDED IN THE URBAN CORE, WHERE IT'S OUR MOST SENSITIVE AREAS. AND I MEAN, I HAVE MANDATORY DETENTION NORTH OF ME, AND THERE'S SEVERAL MANDATORY DETENTION AREAS IN THE CITY. YOU KNOW, NEPHEW, I, THERE'S A BOND PROJECT ADDRESSING A INFILL DEVELOPMENT FOR SENIOR HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT HAPPENED IN 2007. THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS TO MITIGATE THE RUNOFF FROM THAT SITE BECAUSE IT'S FLOODING HOMES THROUGH THE ALLEY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY'RE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE REAL THINGS THAT EXIST TODAY. SO I THINK IT'S MORE THAN JUST WHAT'S HERE TODAY. BUT LIKE I SAID, I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SHARE MY THIS INFORMATION. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO, TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE AND, AND PROTECTIONS TOO. SO THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE ANY EDITS. I, I DO. WOULD I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IN, IN SECTION D. IT DOES, ANY ACCESSORY DRILLING UNIT WILL REQUIRE, UM, THESE, UH, UNITS TO, TO FOLLOW OUR CURRENT STANDARDS. ONE FOOT ABOVE, YOU KNOW, REGULATORY, FLOOD PLAIN, NO ADVERSE IMPACT, THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME STATISTICS THAT I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE, THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, ACCORDING TO FEMA'S LAST REPORT TO US, THEY TOLD US THAT WE HAVE OVER 6,000 STRUCTURES IN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT FEMA FLOODPLAIN, NOT THE NEW ONE THAT'S COMING OUT IN, IN THIS, IN THE SUMMER. OUT OF THAT, WE HAVE WELL OVER, UH, 4,500 FLOOD POLICIES. SO YOU'LL SAY, OKAY, WELL, 6,000 IN THE FLOODPLAIN, 4,000 POLICIES. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. THE REALITY IS, WE LOOK, WE, WE DUG DEEPER IN THERE, AND MOST POLICIES ARE OUTSIDE THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. WE ONLY HAVE 18% OF THOSE STRUCTURES IN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN ACTUALLY HAVE FLOOD POLICIES. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL ASK, WELL, WHY DON'T PEOPLE HAVE FLOOD POLICIES? WE CAN'T ENFORCE FLOOD POLICIES. FLOOD POLICIES, FLOOD INSURANCE IS A, A, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE BANKS ENFORCE ON PROPERTY OWNERS. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR HOME AND IT'S PAID OFF, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE. YOU'RE TAKING A HUGE RISK, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT. SO WE HAVE MANY STRUCTURES, UH, WELL OVER 80% OF OUR STRUCTURES THAT ARE IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY'RE NOT CARRYING FLOOD INSURANCE. SO THAT'S WHY C R S IS SO IMPORTANT TO US, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PROVIDE AS MUCH FINANCIAL REDUCTIONS, TO BE ABLE TO HELP THEM AS BEST AS WE CAN, SO THAT THEY CAN THINK, LET'S GET FLOOD INSURANCE. BUT BIANCA, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN THAT IT BECOMES AN ISSUE. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY BECOMING A MEMBER OF C R S PARTICIPATING IN THAT AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THOSE THAT ARE, THAT ARE GETTING PERMITS ARE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING OUR STANDARDS. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR ATTEMPT IS. I THINK MICHAEL HAD A QUESTION. YEAH. ON, ON SECTION D, LINES THREE AND FOUR, IT SAYS, PLA PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CURRENT EFFECTIVE DATE RELATED TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, UH, DO WE NEED BOTH OF THOSE EFFECTIVE DATE COMMENTS [01:20:06] EFFECTIVE OF THE EFFECTIVE IN TERMS OF, OF MITIGATING THESE CHALLENGES, UH, IN THE FUTURE WITH FEMA AND THE 6,000 STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER HISTORIC CITIES THAT I IMAGINE ARE PART OF THE FEMA PROGRAM THAT, THAT HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM TO US WITH, UH, HISTORIC LEGACY BUILDINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT ARE THEY DOING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST 5, 10, 15 YEARS TO DEAL WITH THAT? THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I, I, UH, I GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN, IN, IN MEETINGS WITH OTHER LARGER CITIES AS A PART OF SOME PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY HAVE THE BASIC FEMA FLOODPLAIN AND BASIC FEMA REQUIREMENTS ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE FLOODPLAIN BASIC FEMA REQUIREMENTS ALLOW THAT. IT'S SAN ANTONIO. WE HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD. WE DON'T, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED FLOODWAYS THAT PEOPLE OR COMMUNITIES ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD IN WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE FLOOD FRINGE, UH, AS YOU HAVE TO DO A STUDY. AND SO, AND SO MANY COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT. UH, THERE ARE SUBURBAN CITIES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAVE THAT. IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT SEVERAL, I'M NOT GONNA POINT THEM OUT, BUT THERE ARE SOME, UH, UH, SUBURBAN CITIES THAT HAVE FLOODWAYS AND THEY ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT IN, IN THE FLOOD FRINGE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FEMA BASIC, FEMA STANDARD. AND, AND, AND THEY WORK WITH THAT. IN OUR CASE, WE DO NOT ALLOW THAT. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE GETTING ALL THIS CREDIT FROM FEMA BECAUSE OF OUR HIGHER STANDARDS AND OUR REQUIREMENTS. THIS IS BIANCA. I JUST HAD ONE LAST COMMENT MM-HMM. THAT I WANTED TO ADD, SINCE WE'RE ALL HERE AT THE TABLE, AND I'M ON MY SOAPBOX, I GUESS, ABOUT DRAINAGE. IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE SABRINA, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION THAT HAPPENS IN THE FLOODPLAIN SOMETIMES WHEN HOMEOWNERS MAKE THEIR OWN IMPROVEMENTS FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT, DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT. YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY D S D PUTS OUT THERE THINGS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT. HOW SMALL DECKS DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT, HOW SHEDS DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT, BUT THEY DO REQUIRE A FLOODPLAIN PERMIT. CORRECT. AND I THINK THAT WE ARE MISSING THAT LANGUAGE AND EDUCATING PEOPLE, BECAUSE I HAD MY OWN NEIGHBOR WHO DID THE SAME, WHO DID IT, AND DIDN'T PULL A FLOODPLAIN PERMIT FOR IMPROVEMENTS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT AS WE SAY, THAT THERE'S NOT A PERMIT FOR D S D THAT'S REQUIRED. THERE MAY BE A PERMIT FOR FLOODPLAIN IF YOU'RE IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN TO ADD THAT ADDITIONAL PROTECTION THAT EXISTS TODAY. BUT WE NEED TO ENSURE WE'RE CONSISTENT IN COMMUNICATING THAT MESSAGE, BECAUSE ALL TOO OFTEN PEOPLE TRY TO ADD A SHED OR ADD A DECK, AND THEY NEED A FLOODPLAIN PERMIT FOR THAT. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, MAJOR, UH, POINT SYSTEM FOR C R S, IT'S, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH, UM, HUGE POINTS. SO, UM, WE HAVE A, A PLAN TO RETROACTIVELY DO MORE PUBLIC OUTREACH. UM, WE HAVE BEEFED UP OUR WEBSITE, OUR PUBLIC WORKS WEBSITE TO HAVE SOME REFERENCES TO THAT. BUT WE ALSO, UM, ONE OF THE GOALS IS PROBABLY DO SOME, SOME FLYERS, UM, SOME MAIL OUTS, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS ONCE WE ARE OFFICIALLY IN THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO. AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE THE LAST BIG PUBLIC OUTREACH OCCURRED WHEN THE MAPS WERE UPDATED IN 2010 EFFECTIVELY, BUT IT HAPPENED IN LIKE 2008, 2009. RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. UM, FIRST THERE'S A QUESTION. UM, WHAT IS A LATERAL ADDITION? I COULDN'T FIND A DEFINITION OF IT, AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT WAS SO NEAR. ARE YOU, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE LATERAL ADDITION IS, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A, UM, LET'S JUST CALL IT A SHED, YOU'VE GOT YOUR WASHER AND DRYER IN THE SHED, BUT YOU HAVE A BREEZEWAY COVERING YOU BETWEEN THOSE TWO STRUCTURES. IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE, BUT THERE IS SOME LATERAL CONNECTION THERE. SO IT'S, IF WE NEED TO REDEFINE THAT, I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT TOO. MM-HMM. , I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE CONFUSING. SURE. IT WASN'T DEFINED, SO I WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. ARE YOU SAYING THE ROOF LINE IS CONNECTED, BUT THERE'S NOT LIKE A BREEZEWAY CONNECTING THE YEAH. WHAT, UM, [01:25:01] SO WE SEE THESE A LOT WHERE YOU HAVE A, A CONNECTION FROM THE MAIN HOUSE, MAYBE TO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE BACK, SORT OF LIKE THIS ROOF STRUCTURE THAT'S CONNECTED. JUST THE ROOF IS CONNECTED AND WE CALL IT LIKE A BREEZEWAY. SOMETIMES IT'S A BREEZEWAY THAT'S IN BETWEEN BUILDINGS. SO IT HAS THAT CONNECTION SO YOU HAVE A COVERED PATH WHEN IT'S RAINING. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS. OKAY. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE ADD A DEFINITION AT SOME POINT? I KNOW WE CAN'T DO IT NOW, BUT, UH, SURE. JUST TO CLEAR THAT UP. ABSOLUTELY. MY OTHER COMMENT IS ON D UM, IT SAYS AN ACCESSORY DETACHED DWELLING UNIT MAY BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE EFFECT OF A REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN. ONLY IF THEIR PRINCIPAL DWELLING U UNIT WAS CONSTRUCTED OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN AT THE TIME, OR IF THE LOT WAS PLATTED PRIOR. SHOULD IT, THAT JUST READS FUNNY. YOU SHOULD JUST SAY AT THE TIME THE LOT WAS PLATTED, OR IF THE LOT WAS PLATTED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF WE REMOVE THE ORE, A LOT OF THESE, THESE STRUCTURES IN THESE HISTORIC AREAS WERE NEVER PLOTTED. SO WELL, I WANNA REMOVE THE, OR I JUST WANT TO ADD, AT THE TIME THE LOT WAS PLOTTED, OR IF THE LOT WAS PLOTTED PRIOR TO AT THE TI AT THE TIME THE LOT WAS PLOTTED OR PRIOR TO, OR IF THE LOT WAS PLATTED PRIOR TO, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT TIES EVERYTHING TO THAT DATE, NOT THE DATE IT WAS ACTUALLY PLATTED. IF IT WAS PLATTED AFTER. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL. WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CAPTURE IS THOSE LOTS THAT WERE TECHNICALLY PLOTTED. SO DOES THAT CHANGE THE INTENT THAT YOU WANTED TO DO? IT DOES. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THAT BEGINNING SENTENCE IS SUPPOSED TO SAY WHEN THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN, IN OTHER WORDS, THE FLOODPLAIN DIDN'T EXIST RIGHT THEN. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT WAS BUILT IN 1940, OR FLOODPLAINS WEREN'T OH, IT WAS DEFINED UNTIL 1971. RIGHT. 83. I REMEMBER. SO THEN SHOULD IT JUST SAY, BUT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY BUILT OUTSIDE OF IT, IT JUST WAS BUILT OUT OUTSIDE, DIDN'T EXIST. DIDN'T EXIST. YEAH. OKAY. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT, IT WAS A LITTLE HARD TO EXPLAIN THAT. YEAH. OKAY. NO, I GET IT. YOU CAN TAKE OUT WHAT MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. THAT THAT'S FINE. IT CLEARS IT UP. UM, MY NEXT COMMENT WAS UNDER, UH, ON THE NEXT PAGE, IT WAS UNDER B NON-RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. SO CAN I BE A PAIN AND GO BACK? OH, YEAH. IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT SECTION SAYS, THAT'S A FUTURE IB. YEAH. SO SHOULD IT BE INSTEAD OF CONSTRUCTED OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN AT THE TIME? OR SHOULD IT BE PRIOR TO ESTABLISHMENT? THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FLOODPLAIN? FLOODPLAIN. BUT KEEP IN MIND, ISN'T THAT REALLY WHAT THE INTENT, KARA, KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE THE SUBDIVISION IS BUILT AND THE FLOODPLAIN WAS WON, AND ONCE THE STUDY OR A DETAILED STUDY COMES IN, IT ALL OF A SUDDEN SHOWS THAT THE SUBDIVISION IS NOW IN, IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THE FLOOD PLAIN WAS THERE, THE STRUCTURES WERE BUILT FOLLOWING THE CORRECT CODE, AND A NEW STUDY CAME IN AND SHOWED THEM IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. SO, SO THEN I WOULD SAY, OR WAS, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. OR SHOULD YOU SAY THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING WAS NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS NOT IN THE EFFECTIVE OR REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. WELL, YOU'RE GETTING DOWN TO WEEDED. I . WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS NOW, IT'S A HOW MANY TIMES ARE WE IN CLARIFYING? WE'LL BE WRITING MIGHT BE A YEAR FROM NOW. ABSOLUTELY. OR WAS CONSTRUCTED NOT CONSTRUCTED ONLY IF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED OUTSIDE THE EFFECTIVE A REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S AN EXTRA PRIOR, I THINK OUTSIDE IT NEEDS TO BE OUTSIDE THE EFFECTIVE OR REGULATORY FLOODPLAIN. [01:30:28] SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. SO REMOVE THAT. YEAH. AND I THINK WE NEED, WE CAN REMOVE THIS SECOND EFFECTIVE, OR IF THE LOT WAS PLOTTED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CURRENT, WELL, COULD WE JUST MOVE IT DATED SEPTEMBER 30 TO THE END OF THE SENTENCE THAT THE PARENTHETICAL, BECAUSE ISN'T IT REF REFERENCING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE REGULATORY FLOOD PLAINS? LIKE THAT'S THE DATE THAT WE'RE USING, CORRECT? NO, NO, NO. DON'T DELETE ANYTHING. JUST MOVE THE PARENTHETICAL TO THE END OF THE SENTENCE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. I THINK WE CAN DELETE THAT FIRST ONE OR THAT SECOND ONE. I'M SORRY. THE SECOND EFFECTIVE REFERENCE EFFECTIVE AND REGULATORY FLOODPLAINS, THE ONE BEFORE DATE GOES. IT'S JUST THE DATE OF THE CURRENT EFFECTIVE AND REGULATORY. MM-HMM. . YES. EFFECTIVE FOR REGULATORY THIRD LINE OBJECTIVE. I HAVE A QUESTION ON D THE, THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE. I'M STILL NOT, I'M SORRY. YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD. UM, YEAH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UM, SHOULD IT BE A DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT INSTEAD OF AN ACCESSORY DETACHED DWELLING UNIT? A D D. UT YEAH. OH, OKAY. WELL, OKAY. WHEN I LOOKED IT UP, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE ATTACHED DWELLING UNIT. HMM. OKAY. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO THAT. ARE YOU STILL ON D? OKAY. YEAH, I'M ON ON D. UH, WHAT ABOUT AN ATTACHED DWELLING UNIT? OR CAN IS THAT, IS THAT, SO THAT IS CONSIDERED AN, SO THAT IS CONSIDERED AN ADDITION. AND BY CODE YOU CAN DO AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY HAVE TO BE WITHIN 50% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE. YEAH. OTHERWISE, THAT'S CONSIDERED A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON D? WE'RE GOOD THERE. OKAY. UNDER THE SECTION FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, UNDER ONE C SAYS, DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO DAMAGE FROM HYDROSTATIC OR HYDRODYNAMIC FORCES. DEBRIS IMPACT SOAKING SEDIMENTS. AND THAT SAYS CONTAINMENTS, I THINK YOU MEANT CONTAMINANTS. CONTAMINANTS, YES. , . [01:35:01] DAMN. SPELL CHECK . YEAH. GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. YEP. AND THEN UNDER H, UM, IT, SO IT SAYS IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE UN FLOODED ACCESS AND THE DANGEROUS VERSUS WHATEVER, RIGHT? SO IT REFERENCES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHART WHERE IT SAYS DANGEROUS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, PROCEED WITH CAUTION. YEAH. PROCEED WITH CAUTION. SO THAT'S THAT H 4.3 0.1 C. MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD IT REALLY REFERENCE H 6.2 0.9, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT UN FLOODED ACCESS FLOOD ACCESS, THAT THEN REFERS TO THE CHART? YES, WE SHOULD, AND IT, 'CAUSE IT HAS OTHER LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT UN FLOODED ACCESS, RIGHT? NOT JUST THE CHART. RIGHT. 6.2, 0.2 0.9 6.2 0.9 RATHER. 4.3 0.1 C. SO THERE'S TWO INSTANCES OF THAT. YEP. YEP. AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE, IT SAYS, AS PER FLOODPLAIN, ADMINISTRATORS DIRECTION SHOULD BE AS PER THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATORS DIRECTION. THAT'S JUST MINOR. AND MY LAST QUESTION, AND THIS MAY GO BACK TO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, BUT IT'S UNDER MANUFACTURED HOMES. ITEM TWO, IT SAYS, REPLACEMENT OF A MANUFACTURED HOME IS ONLY ALLOWED IN THE FLOODPLAIN IF THE PREVIOUS HOME WAS NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WAS WITH IT'S SUPPOSED TO NOT. SO IT'S BASICALLY, IF, IF THERE WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE, IT WAS REMOVED, A NEW STRUCTURE COMES IN TO REPLACE IT. THAT'S, SO I NEED, SO WAS THIS KIND OF WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT? YES. TO WHERE THE EXISTING HOME WAS PUT IN THE, WAS PLACED BEFORE. IT WAS BEFORE THE BLOOD PLANE. THE FLOOD PLANE CAME IN. FLOOD PLANE. RIGHT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP TOO. YEAH. I NEED SASSY BABY , SAYING I NEED MORE OF THE SWEET PART THAN SASSY. THESE ARE MY FAVORITES. IF, IF THAT WAS EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE JUST EDITED ABOVE, CAN WE TAKE THAT SECTION FROM ABOVE AND JUST REPLACE A D WITH MANUFACTURED HOME? I THINK SO EFFECT YOU JUST, YOU EFFECTIVELY, EFFECTIVELY JUST CHANGED THE NAME . SO IT WAS THAT ITEM D. ITEM D. JUST MOVE IT. RIGHT. NAILS ON A CHALKBOARD. LOGAN NAILS ON A CHALKBOARD. , PLEASE MAKE SURE . SO THAT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE, ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? RIGHT. YEP. CAN WE GET RID OF THE COMMA AFTER THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WE STRUCK US? LET THEM DO IT OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING AND THEY'RE DONE. OKAY. MY LAST COMMENT, SORRY, I HAD ONE MORE. IS ON THE LAST, VERY LAST ON UNDER HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, I GUESS IT WAS STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT. YEAH. SO THIS SEEMS A LITTLE ODD TO ME BECAUSE ITEM TWO SAYS HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND IT SAYS, HAS TO BE STORED ONE FOOT ABOVE REGULATORY FLOOD PLAIN. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEN IT HAS NON-HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, THE SAME THING, BUT THEN A WHOLE SLEW OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS. SHOULDN'T HAZARDOUS MATERIALS BE MORE, SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS? I WOULD THINK IT IS. SEE, THE SECOND NUMBER THREE IS SAYING SAME, IT'S ONE FOOT ABOVE, OR IF IT'S BELOW ONE FOOT TO IT HAS TO BE FLOODED, FLOOD PROOFED TO OR ABOVE THE REGULATORY FLOOD PLANE OR, OKAY. I SEE. ALL RIGHT. AND THE FIRST ONE SAYS IT HAS TO BE ONE FOOT ABOVE. OKAY. I'M GOOD. THIS WAS JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS. THIS WAS ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES FROM THE AUDIT AS WELL. YEAH. THAT WE HAD. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, THERE'S NO OR FOR THAT, IT'S JUST YOU HAVE TO BE NO, IT'S, IT HAS TO BE ELEVATED. CORRECT. CORRECT. GOOD WITH THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? [01:40:01] YES, DEBBIE, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM ON, UM, NUMBER ITEM TWO, NEW MIXED USE STRUCTURES, CAPITAL AND COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE REFERENCES TO THE RIO, AND YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT BROADWAY, BUT THIS WOULD APPLY TO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY THAT YOU CAN BUILD THE COM AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ZONING, RIGHT. IF THEY'RE ZONED APPROPRIATELY, THEY CAN OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME MIXED USE. SO IF THEY'RE ZONED APPROPRIATELY, THEY CAN BE BUILT IN THE FLOODPLAIN ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO BASICALLY WHAT, THIS IS JUST PROVIDING LANGUAGE FOR THE, THAT SCENARIO ON BROADWAY, UM, WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR VARIANCES. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW IN THE FLIP PLANE, THAT'S A BIG NO-NO. UM, AND THAT HASN'T CHANGED FROM WHAT THE CURRENT CODE IS READING. UM, HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE, UM, CASES WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, A, UM, MULTIFAMILY COMPLEX WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE GARAGE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR OR SOME SORT OF OTHER USE ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, UM, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THAT STRUCTURE ELEVATED, WHERE THEREBY THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, CONDOS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, IS ABOVE THAT FIRST FLOOR OR SECOND FLOOR OR WHATEVER. THE, SO NUMBER TWO WOULD BE ALLOWING NEW STRUCTURES TO BE BUILT IN THE FLOODPLAIN AS LONG AS THEY'RE ONE FOOT ABOVE THE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. NO, THE SENTENCE BEFORE, AND IT HAS TO BE IN THE RIO AND WELL, AT FOOT KAT, CAN YOU USE YOUR MICROPHONE NUMBER A HAS? AND SO IT'S LOCATED IN THE RIO AND, AND, RIGHT. OKAY. THEN IT'S THE REST, AND THEN IT'S C AND AND D. ALL FOUR HAVE TO BE MET. CORRECT. GOT IT. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A PROVISION FOR LIKE THE BROADWAY TYPE SCENARIOS. I'M CONFUSED. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IN SOME OF THESE REDEVELOPMENT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GREENFIELDS AND, AND REDEVELOPMENT AND THINKING ABOUT, UH, BROADWAY AND SOME OF THOSE BEING IN OVERLAY DISTRICTS OR SOME TYPE. SO THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES. SABRINA, WILL YOU EXPLAIN, WHEN YOU KEEP SAYING BROADWAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WILL YOU EXPLAIN THE RIVER SPILL AND THAT BROADWAY IS FLOODPLAIN GUYS? YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IS, ALL OF BROADWAY IS FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE OF THE CATA CATALPA SPILL AND THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER SPILL THERE. UM, SO THIS, AGAIN, THE WHOLE INTENT OF THIS SECTION WAS TO ALIGN WITH, UM, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, ZONING CODE, AS WELL AS ELIMINATING THE NEED FOR CONSTANT VARIANCES WITH THIS INFLUX OF REDEVELOPMENT ALONG BROADWAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. UH, FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THAT IN SUBSECTION A, UH, IT GIVES TWO CONDITIONS, EITHER THE RIO DISTRICT WHERE YOU WERE, SORRY, TWO A, EITHER IN THE RIO DISTRICT OR ON REDEVELOPED PROPERTY. AND I'M CURIOUS HOW THE EXCEPTION ISN'T SWALLOWING THE RULE HERE. HOW, HOW LIMITED IS REDEVELOPED PROPERTY IN THIS CONTEXT? GOOD QUESTION. UM, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU OVER HERE. SO IN TWO A, THERE ARE TWO AREAS WHERE YOU CAN POTENTIALLY BUILD IN THE FLOODPLAIN, EITHER IN THE RIO DISTRICT OR ON REDEVELOPED PROPERTY, BUT THAT SEEMS AWFULLY BROAD. ISN'T THIS TO ADDRESS THE ALAMO COLLEGES AREA WHERE THERE, THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE OVER THERE BECAUSE YOU GAVE A, DIDN'T YOU GIVE A, UM, A VARIANCE? YES. UM, IS THAT WHERE THIS REDEVELOPMENT LANGUAGE IS COMING IN? UM, A LOT OF, ALL OF THAT AREA WAS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ALL REDEVELOPED AREAS, BUT, UM, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME AREAS ALONG DOWNTOWN, UM, THAT, UM, OUR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND THEY MAY BE ABUTTING THE FLOODPLAIN OR HAVE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE FLOODPLAIN. THE STRUCTURES MAY NOT BE IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME FLOODPLAIN ENCROACHMENT ON THERE, AND SO THEY HAVE TO MEET THIS CRITERIA AS WELL. SO I THINK THE CONCERN IS THE LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE BROAD. OKAY. AND DOESN'T REALLY, UM, REFLECT THE INTENT, I GUESS. SURE. LIKE WHAT COULD BE DEFINED AS THAT REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. SABRINA? YES. CAN WE CONFER REAL QUICK CAUCUS? [01:46:21] YEAH. ALL STAFF IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. WE'LL BE BACK AT, UH, 2 25. THANK YOU. TECHNICAL SUBCOMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY. IT'S 2 25. LET'S GET BACK TO IT HERE. OH YEAH. SO, UM, WHAT WORD DID HE JUST USE? GETTING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE STAFF, I GUESS YOU WERE CONFERRING ABOUT, UH, I THINK IT WAS DEBBIE'S QUESTION OR BIANCA'S QUESTION. SO WE WOULD, UH, REQUEST TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO THE NEXT AGENDA SO WE CAN, UM, IRON DOWN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. I MOVE I SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY KARA, A SECOND BY BIANCA TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM TO, UH, FUTURE AGENDA. IS IT GONNA BE THE NEXT ONE OR IS IT GONNA BE THE NEXT ONE? SABRINA, DO YOU HAVE TIME TO WORK OUT THESE DETAILS FOR THE NEXT AGENDA? SURE. WE'LL BE READY. OKAY. OKAY. SO FOR, IT'LL BE MONDAY, WE, DOUG, DO IT IN THE CORNER SO THEY GET A WEEK. YEAH. YEAH. I, WELL, I WOULD AGREE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA KEEP PUSHING AMENDMENTS DOWN THE LINE 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ON TRACK. SO WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. BUT PUSHING IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA, THIS, THE ONLY CAVEAT IS THAT IT WILL IMPACT OUR TENTATIVE AGENDAS. YEP. UM, SO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO THE, UH, MARCH 28TH AGENDA, WHICH IS NEXT MONDAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED. HE WANTS MOTION CARRIES. THAT'S, THAT'S A SYMBOLIC, THEY HAVE TO CLEAN UP THAT SECTION. WHATEVER IT WAS. I, I GUESS THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAD ENOUGH TIME IN THIS MEETING TO, PLUS YOU'RE GONNA BE UP THERE THE REST OF THE MEETING ANYWAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 14, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON AMENDMENT 27 DASH 40, AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 44. THIS, UH, SHOULD PRETTY BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND WE'RE JUST, UM, PROVIDING SOME REFERENCES TO APPENDIX H HERE. COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? MOTION. MOTION FOR APPROVAL. BIANCA? MOTION FOR MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY BIANCA. WAS IT JODY WITH A SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 15, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON ITEM 27 DASH 41 AFFECTING SECTION 35 DASH F 1 45. SO THIS IS JUST SOME GENERAL CLEANUP TO, UH, REFERENCE THE RIVERWALK LOOP VERSUS THE BEND AREA, UM, AND AS WELL AS PROVIDING A, UH, NEWER VERSION OF THE MAP OF WHAT THAT, UH, RIVERWALK LOOP IS. [01:50:02] MOVE FOR APPROVAL. A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY KARA BIANCA. SECOND. SECOND BY BIANCA. WILL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 16, DISCUSSION OF A POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM 14 DASH FIVE AFFECTING APPENDIX H, STORMWATER DESIGN CRITERIA, MANUAL CHAPTER TWO. DEBBIE, YOU CAN SIT THERE AND DO YOUR, OR COME WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. UM, FOR THE GREATER EDWARDS AQUIFER LINES, WE'RE PULLING THIS AMENDMENT. YOU WITHDREW THE AMENDMENT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, SO THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN, SO NO FURTHER ACTION IS TAKEN. ITEM 16. OKAY. ITEM 17. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT. ITEM 14 DASH SIX AFFECTING APPENDIX EIGHT. STORMWATER DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL. ON THIS AMENDMENT, WE WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADDRESS ON THE FIRST SENTENCE OF, UM, ADDRESS FLOOD MANAGEMENT AND WATER QUALITY CONCERNS ON A REGIONAL BASIS. AND THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION OF THIS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE CONSIDERED BY THIS GROUP. SO YOU'RE REMOVING ALL THE OTHER AMENDMENTS AND YOU'RE JUST KEEPING THAT FIRST BLUE LINE WHERE IT SAYS WATER QUALITY CONCERNS ON A REGIONAL BASIS. YES, SIR. AND STAFF, MAKE ALL THOSE EDITS AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON DEBBIE'S AMENDMENT? MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. MOTION FOR BY BIANCA FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. HANLEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 18, DISCUSSION, POLICY ACTION ON ITEM 14 DASH SEVEN AFFECTING INDEPENDENCE, DATES, DEFINITIONS, CHAIRPERSON. THIS IS ALSO, UM, THE DEFINITIONS IF WE CAN JUST CHANGE 'EM AS TO THE, WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN AMENDED AND THE FIRST TIME AROUND. YEP. CAN WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES? LAUREN, ARE Y'ALL KEEPING UP OR DO YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME? OKAY. GOT IT. SO DEBBIE, YOUR MOTION IS TO THIS, TO MATCH THE AMENDMENT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? YEP. SECOND. WAS THERE A MOTION? WAS THERE A MOTION? DEBBIE'S MO, DEBBIE. OKAY. THEN WE HAVE A MOTION BY DEBBIE, A SECOND BY KARA TO, UH, OR IS THE APPLICANT SHE, CAN SHE MAKE THE MOTION? I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. NOT TOO MATCH AGENDA ITEM ONE. THAT IS CORRECT, CORRECT. I HAVE A QUESTION. ARE THE DEFINITIONS NEEDED IN BOTH PLACES? GOOD QUESTION. CAN SOMEONE ADDRESS THAT? SO THESE ARE THE DEFINITIONS IN THE STORMWATER MANUAL, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT'S APPENDIX H MM-HMM. , CORRECT? CORRECT. SO YES, THEY SHOULD MATCH. YEAH, THEY SHOULD BE. AND THEY ARE REQUIRED IN BOTH PLACES, CORRECT? MM-HMM. , ARE THEY THEY'RE REQUIRED ONLY 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN BOTH PLACES, RIGHT? YEAH. SABRINA SAYING, YES, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A MATCH. MAKE A MATCH. GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT. GOOD QUESTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AS AMENDED. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. STAFF. ARE YOU CAUGHT UP WITH THOSE CHANGES? SHE DID A THUMBS UP. LAUREN, YOU'RE GOOD? YEP, SHE'S GOOD. THIS IS JUST TOO MANY PA PIECES OF PAPER. SABRINA . THIS NEXT ONE IS NUMBER 19. UH, DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON 27 DASH ONE. APPENDIX H, MOVE APPROVAL. GO FOR IT. SECOND . WOW. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. AND A SECOND ONLY MR. EDIT OVER HERE IS, NOPE. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THEN I ANSWERED 'EM MYSELF LATER ON, SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. . ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALTHOUGH IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? [01:55:01] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 20, DISCUSSION APOSTLE. ACTION ON 27 DASH TWO, ACT INDEPENDENCE DATE. ALL RIGHT, THIS IS JUST SOME LANGUAGE HERE TO, UM, UPDATE REFERENCES TO THE LATEST CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN AUGUST 11TH, 2016. MOTION FOR APPROVAL. UM, JUST DEBBIE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? OKAY. YES. I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UM, INCORPORATE SIX OR THREE OF THE SAN ANTONIO SUSTAINABILITY PLAN GOALS. GB FIVE, GB SIX, G B EIGHT. I'M, I WILL, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THOSE OUT? WHAT? YES. CREATE INCENTIVES AND PROVIDE TRAINING AND RECOGNITION OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS TO MANAGE STORMWATER ON SITE TO ENCOURAGE ONSITE MANAGEMENT OF STORM WATER TO REDUCE THE RISK OF FLOODING AND RUNOFF OF CONTAMINANTS. AND TO SAN ANTONIO'S WATERWAYS. GB SIX, EXPAND EDUCATION, OUTREACH AND TECHNICAL. DEBBIE? OH, CAN YOU JUST, I'LL JUST HAND THEM TO HER. YEAH, JUST HAND TO ME. YEAH. . DEBBIE, CLARIFICATION ON YOUR VERY FIRST ONE. UH, OR ON SITE OR IN THE PROXIMITY OF A REGIONAL STORMWATER DETENTION FACILITY. I'M JUST QUOTING THE GOAL. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THEM ONLINE SO WE CAN JUST PULL IT FROM THERE. BUT TO HAVE A REFERENCE IS, IS GOOD. THANK YOU. DEBBIE, I ACCEPT YOUR AMENDMENT. YEAH. SABRINA, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. WHAT IS N R E S? NATIONAL RESOURCES? IS THAT IN THERE SOMEWHERE ALREADY? I WAS LOOKING FOR IT IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION OF ACRONYMS. IT IS IN THERE. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL JUST SPELL IT ALL OUT. . HMM. WELL, MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT SINCE THESE ARE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY NEED TO STAND ALONE, BUT I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER THE GROUP DECIDES. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. BACK TO THAT ONE. [02:00:02] SORRY, I KNOW. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAUREN, CAN, CAN YOU CHANGE THOSE DASHES BACK TO COLON SO THAT THEY MATCH THE ONES ABOVE IT? AND THEN I THINK WE'RE GONNA SPELL OUT THE ACRONYMS. SO WHAT DOES THE GB STAND FOR? WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE SECTION? GREEN BUILDINGS. OKAY. WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? IS THAT IN A, THAT'S IN THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. IN THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN? MM-HMM. . SHOULD WE REF SHOULD WE SAY THAT? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, A LAY PERSON READING ISN'T GONNA BE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. YEAH, I MEAN THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STATED. YEAH, BECAUSE WE SPELL THAT N R S LET'S SPELL OUT GB FOR GREEN BUILDINGS. THAT WAY IT'S THE SAME FORMAT. GOOD POINT. YEAH. YEAH. SHOULD IT ALSO, LOGAN, SHOULD IT ALSO REFERENCE WHERE THAT COMES FROM? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO AT THE TOP IN BLACK WHERE IT SAYS, THIS MANUAL IMPLEMENTS THE FOLLOWING POLICIES OF THE SAN ANTONIO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS GEORGE. ASK A QUESTION. UH, I GUESS FIRST QUESTION IS, I'M WONDERING IF THE, IF THE DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT DID NOT INCLUDE THESE ADDED ITEMS ON THERE ON PURPOSE, I TOLD HER I WAS DOING IT. I'M SORRY. WHAT? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UM, MY QUESTION IS, WE'RE ADDING THREE OTHER POINTS ONTO THIS LIST HERE. AND I'M, THEY WEREN'T ON THERE. AND I'M WONDERING IF THE DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT WHO WROTE THIS DOCUMENT HERE, THIS ADDITION, DID THEY LEAVE THEM OFF ON PURPOSE? SO THEY, IS THIS A SURPRISE? THEY WOULD NOT HAVE LEFT THEM OFF ON, THEY DIDN'T WRITE THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE LEFT THEM OFF ON PURPOSE. WHAT THIS IS DOING IS ADDING REFERENCES TO POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO WE, WE WOULD NOT SEE A CITY DEPARTMENT SAY, THESE ARE NOT POLICIES OF OUR DEPARTMENT. THESE ARE KIND OF SET FROM THE TOP DOWN FROM CITY COUNCIL'S POLICIES OF THE CITY. SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INDICATE WE WE'RE ADDING THESE ITEMS. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY INDICATE THAT ANYONE IN THE DRAINAGE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THESE THINGS. SO, AS PUBLIC WORK STORMWATER, DO YOU HAVE CONCERN REFERENCING THESE THREE SUSTAINABILITY POLICIES IN THIS AMENDMENT? MOST OF US DON'T KNOW WHAT'S EVEN IN THEM. MOST OF US DON'T EVEN, WELL, WHAT TROY IS SAYING IN THEIR CHECKING ON IS WHEN THEY WROTE THIS SECTION, THE CONSULTANT THAT REFERENCED THE FIRST THREE, THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN WASN'T DONE AND APPROVED WHEN THEY STARTED THIS DRAFT. 'CAUSE REMEMBER, THIS WAS PRE 2020 AND THAT'S WHY THOSE WERE THERE. SO MAYBE THE ANSWER IS, NOW THAT THE PLAN IS APPROVED, NONE OF THESE ARE NECESSARY. 'CAUSE THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN IS REFERENCED AND INCLUDES ALL OF THEM. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CHECKING ON. [02:05:05] DEBBIE, DEBBIE, WATCH THIS. I THINK WE'RE READY. OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO KEEP THE NATURAL RESOURCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AS IT IS AND NOT INCLUDE THE GREEN, UH, BUILDING SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY, THE CITY HAS ALREADY ADOPTED THAT HAS ALREADY INCLUDED THAT. UM, WE, WE DON'T, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A, YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION. ALL RIGHT. COMMENTS ON THAT? SO TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT ADDING GB 5 6 8 BECAUSE THOSE ARE IN THE ADOPTED SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. SO IF WE REFERENCE THE PLAN, THOSE ARE COVERED, BUT WE'RE KEEPING N R E S 1 3 6 BECAUSE IT'S NOT REFERENCED SOMEWHERE ELSE. OR JUST 'CAUSE WE FEEL SUPER SPECIAL ABOUT THOSE. WELL, THEY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY NUMBERED GOALS. SO WHERE DO THOSE GOALS COME FROM? SO MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE N R E S GOALS ONE, THREE, AND SIX ARE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT? SO WHY DO WE NEED THE, SO THEN THEY'RE BOTH ADOPTED DOCUMENTS. WHY DO WE NEED ANY, LOOK WHAT WAS IN THERE BEFORE WAS THE POLICIES FROM THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN. SO WE CAN REMOVE ALL REFERENCES TO ALL POLICIES. IF WE WANNA STRIKE THIS LITTLE SECTION. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. RIGHT? I THINK IF, IF YOU STEW HEAR WHERE IT SAYS THE MA, THIS MANUAL IMPLEMENTS THE FOLLOWING POLICIES. WE COULD SAY THIS MANUAL IMPLEMENTS THE POLICIES OF THE MASTER PLAN AND THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. AND THEN YOU CAN GET RID OF ALL OF THESE BECAUSE EVERYTHING CAN BE REFERENCED IN THE ADOPTED PLANS. I MOVE IF WE DO THAT. CORRECT? IF I COULD SECOND I WOULD. . ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S THE AMENDMENT. BASICALLY IT DOES THE SAME THING. IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION ON THE ITEM WAS YOUR, SO IS THAT A REAL MOTION? YES. SO, OKAY, ON TWO NINE IT HAS THE REFERENCES. AND SO DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE ANOTHER REFERENCE THEN? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE THE RIGHT REFERENCES OR NOT. YEAH, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CORRECT NAME. WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT AND GET THAT. ALSO, DO YOU WANNA REMOVE THAT WEBSITE? 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT NO WEBSITES BEFORE. THEY'RE GOOD. AND THEN ADD THE YEAH, THE OTHER PLAN, RIGHT? WE'LL ADD THE SUSTAINABILITY REFERENCE. RIGHT? DO YOU WANNA REMOVE THE WEBSITE? 'CAUSE WE ARE HAD A DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT NO WEBSITES. 'CAUSE THEY MAY CHANGE. YES. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THIS STAFF CLEANS UP THE REFERENCE TO THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY CAME AND TALKED TO US, TOLD US WE DON'T NEED TO REFERENCE ALL OF THEM 'CAUSE THEY ARE COLLECTIVELY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR MASTER PLAN OR SOMETHING. SO WE DON'T NEED TO REFERENCE 'CAUSE WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNING ONE. SO I MOVE, WE ADOPT THIS WITH STRIKING ALL REFERENCES TO THAT AND STAFF CLEANS UP THE CORRECT LANGUAGE OF REFERENCE OF THE ADOPTED SET OF MASTER PLANS, COMP, MOBILITY, AND SUSTAINABILITY. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR FROM KARA SECOND AND A SECOND. I THINK MR. HANLEY BEAT YOU TO IT. ACTUALLY. MOTION FROM KAREN. UH, SECOND BY MR. HANLEY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 21, DISCUSSION AND IMPOSSIBLE ACTION ON U D C AMENDMENT 27 DASH THREE AFFECTING APPENDIX H. EXCUSE ME. ALRIGHT, THIS UM, SHOULD BE A FUN ONE. UM, THAT BEING LONG? NO, NOT NECESSARILY LONG. UM, . BUT THIS IS BASICALLY PROVIDING SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL GUIDELINES ON, UM, IDENTIFYING THE ADVERSE IMPACT. UM, THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE HAVE THE 2000 [02:10:01] FOOT RULE. SO EVERY DEVELOPMENT MUST GO DOWNSTREAM TO THE 2000 FOOT POINT AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR ADVERSE IMPACT ANALYSIS STOPS. SO WE THOUGHT THAT THE 2000 FOOT, UM, REFERENCE WAS A LITTLE ARBITRARY. UM, WE COULD NOT RECOLLECT ON HOW THAT NUMBER WAS DERIVED. SO WE ARE, UM, CHANGING THAT TO BETTER IDENTIFY WHAT IS AN ADVERSE IMPACT AND WHERE THAT IMPACT WOULD OCCUR. ZERO WAS TOO SHORT, A MILE WAS TOO FAR AND THIS WAS A LITTLE UNDER HALF A MILE. MM-HMM. , IF I COULD ADD A LITTLE LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THAT. SO, SO TYPICALLY WHEN A, WHEN A DRAINAGE ANALYSIS IS CONDUCTED, WE REQUIRE THEM TO LOOK 2000 FEET DOWNSTREAM TO SEE ANY KIND OF IMPACTS. NOW IMAGINE IF YOU WILL, A SMALL AVERAGE, AN AVERAGE SIZE DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE THAT WORKS. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGE, A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT MIGHT BE, AND THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. IF WE HAVE A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE IT'S NOT. THAT'S KIND OF AN OVERKILL. SO WE KIND OF DEBATED AND WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH, UM, I THINK REALLY MAKES SENSE. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHEN THE, WHEN THAT STREAM REACHES A CONFLUENCE OF A WATERSHED, UM, OR OTHER MEASURABLE THINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE TO, TO TRY. AND IT'S NOT JUST A 2000 FEET, IT'S GONNA BE VARIOUS CONDITIONS THAT WILL ALSO DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND ITS PROPORTION OF DO SO. ANY QUESTIONS? MANNA? SO, SO I GUESS WITH ALL OF THE TWOS THERE, UM, CAN WE MAKE THOSE BULLETS SO THAT WAY IT DOES CALL OUT? 'CAUSE THE LAST ONE HAS LOTS OF ORS DIVIDING IT. AND SO, SO IT GOT CONFUSING TO ME, LIKE DID THEY KIND OF DROP IT? SO, SO IF YOU MAKE BULLETIZE THAT LIST, UM, 'CAUSE THEN THERE'S ONLY FOUR ITEMS VERSUS POTENTIALLY LIKE SIX. SURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UNDER ONE, IT SAYS FOR LOTS LESS THAN THREE ACRES IN SIZE AND IT GOES TO NUMBER ONE. IT, IT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU JUST STRUCK THE 2000 FEET AND IT SAYS THERE'S NO INCREASE. BASICALLY IT SAYS NO INCREASE DOWNSTREAM. SHOULD IT SAY, YOU KNOW, START OFF THE SENTENCE, IT SAYS WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE ANALYSIS AS DETERMINED IN SECTION 4.3 0.1 C, THEN THE STORMWATER SERVICE ELEVATIONS IN RECEIVING FACILITY SHALL NOT BE INCREASED, BLAH BLAH. THAT LIMITS IT TO THE I AGREE. THE WHAT IS DEFINED AS YOUR SECTION. RIGHT. I LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN WE, UH, REPEAT THAT SO WE CAN TRY TO TYPE THAT OUT REAL QUICK? YEAH. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE READY. UM, ONE ITEM ONE THE STORMWATER WATER SURFACE ELEVATION. JUST UNDER THE ONES YOU NO NUMBER ONE. THERE YOU GO. I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE ANALYSIS AS DETERMINED IN SECTION 4.3 0.1 C WITHIN THE LIMITS PLURAL. AND THEN, YEAH. AND YEP. OKAY. AND MANNA AGAIN. SO AND FOR THE FIRST SECTION AGAIN, CAN YOU BULLETIZE THE FOUR, EACH OF THE FOURS SO THAT WAY THAT'S CALLED OUT THAT IT'S ADDRESSING EACH OF THOSE TWO. YEAH. TAKE OR NUMBER THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF NUMBER IS BETTER. YEAH, WE'RE USING NUMBERS AND DRAIN SYSTEMS WITHIN. OH YEAH. THAT ONE THEN NEEDS TO LOWER. YEAH. SO HOWEVER YOU WANT. YEAH. SO JUST, THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. ITEM ONE ON ITEM ONE. DO WE NEED TO REMOVE THAT AFTER 2000 LINEAR FEET OF THE, DO WE NEED TO REMOVE THAT? YES. AND WE ALSO NEED TO REMOVE THE WITHIN BEFORE THAT SHOULDN'T STORMWATER SERVICE ELEVATION BE, IT'S USUALLY ABBREVIATED W S E FOR WATER SERVICE ELEVATION. I [02:15:01] THINK. I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE OUT ALSO PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. MM-HMM. THAT WAY IT JUST SAYS, UH, MAY. YEAH, THERE WE GO. OKAY. HMM. DEBBIE. OKAY. DEBBIE? YES. AND ANOTHER FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO LOOK AT INSERTING ABOVE THAT LA LAST FOUR LOTS LESS THAN THREE ACRES. IN ADDITION, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT CHANGE FLOOD, FLOOD PEAK FLOWS OR FLOOD FLOW DURATIONS IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD INCREASE DOWNSTREAM EROSION OR CHANGE EXISTING REPAIR CHANNEL CONDITIONS. SO YOU'RE PUTTING THAT ABOVE FOR LOTS LESS THAN THREE ACRES. SO THIS IS JUST ADDED LANGUAGE? YES. LIKE A NUMBER FOUR THERE? NO, THOSE ARE HOW YOU CALCULATE THE, THE ADVERSE IMPACT. GOTCHA. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER SENTENCE, IT'S ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THAT IMPACT. I THINK THEY WANT IT BEFORE LAUREN. IS THAT CORRECT? DEBBIE? THAT IS CORRECT. THREE HIGHLIGHTED FOUR STREETS IN THE, TO THE NEAREST STORM SYSTEM AND THAT WAY IT WOULD FOLLOW. OH, DID YOU HAVE ANY LANGUAGE ALREADY? UM, IN ADDITION, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT CHANGE FLOOD PEAK FLOWS OR FLOOD FLOW DURATIONS IN ANY WAY THAT WOULD INCREASE DOWNSTREAM EROSION OR CHANGE EXISTING RIPARIAN CHANNEL CONDITIONS. OKAY. WAY OFF. DO YOU WANNA PROVIDE THAT COPY TO, UM, LAUREN? THANK YOU PARAGRAPH. MR. P I'LL JUST, THIS IS A OBJECTION, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I LIKE. I CAN'T, CAN Y'ALL USE YOUR MICROPHONES PLEASE? SABRINA? CAN YOU KIND OF OUTLINE WHAT YOUR CONSULTANT WAS JUST COMMENTING ON? SO I I I CAN, I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT TO IT. WE [02:20:01] HAVE CONCERNS WITH THIS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE, UM, IT, IT WOULD PREVENT ANY CHANGE IN, IN FLOOD PEAK. SO EVEN IF I TRIED TO CAUSE DETENTION TO, TO SLOW TO LOWER THE PEAK, UM, I COULDN'T, UH, OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE INTENT IS NOT TO INCREASE THE PEAK, BUT ANY CHANGE IN THE PEAK IS, IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE SOMETIMES I WANT TO LOWER THE PEAK. I WANT TO, I WANT TO DISCHARGE LESS. BUT THE PROBLEM THEN COMES IN IS THAT I CAN'T DO DETENTION BECAUSE DETENTION ITSELF, THE WAY DETENTION WORKS, IT LOWERS THE PEAK. BUT THE, BUT THE DURATION OF IT MAY LAST LONGER. IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A HIGH PEAK. IT'S GONNA HAVE MAINTAIN A LOW PEAK, BUT THAT DURATION WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, UH, WOULD CONTINUE DOWNSTREAM. SO I, I HAVE SOME, SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT IN ITSELF. UM, SO YEAH, I I I CAN'T, WE CAN'T SUPPORT THIS, THIS WORDING. SO GEORGE, YES, BOB. I MAY SAY SO I AGREE WITH NEFFY, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT LIKE THIS LAST SENTENCE DEBBIE WANTS TO ADD ON THERE ALL DUE RESPECT TO DEBBIE, IT TENDS TO WANT TO CHANGE THIS THING A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A DRAINAGE QUESTION. AND ARE WE FLOODING ANYTHING? QUESTION TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTION AND WE CAN DEAL WITH ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF AT THE APPROPRIATE POINT. BUT THAT I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT THE DRAINAGE PEOPLE TO HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT KIND OF STUFF. I WANT 'EM CONCERNED ABOUT ENGINEERING DRAINAGE ISSUES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOB. SO ESSENTIALLY THE WAY IT'S WORDED NOW WOULD BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE REST OF THE CODE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT DETENTION, DETENTION, ADVERSE IMPACT. YEAH. OKAY. SO SINCE SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE A PART OF OUR FLOOD MITIGATION STRATEGIES, WOULD THERE BE A WAY TO, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, NEPHI OF YOU'RE CONCERN ABOUT THE WORD CHANGE, BUT TYING IT DIRECTLY TO DOWNSTREAM EROSION AND THE EXISTING REPAIRING YOUR CHANNEL CONDITIONS EVEN IN THE EARTH AND CHANNELS, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF, UM, EROSION OCCURRING. IS THERE SOME OTHER KIND OF WORDING THAT MAY ADDRESS SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS IN THE ADVERSE IMPACT CONCEPT? DON'T WE ADDRESS SOME OF THAT IN NEXT WEEKS'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT VELOCITY AND STREAM SCOUR AND THAT'S IN NEXT WEEK'S AMENDMENTS? YEAH, WE, I CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE NEXT NOW'S WORKING. UH, WE, WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ACTUALLY A LOT AND SABRINA AND I TALKED A LOT ABOUT IT. UM, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT INCLUDING THAT IN THIS ADVERSE IMPACT ANALYSIS SECTION, BUT AFTER A LOT OF DISCUSSION WE DECIDED TO MOVE THE EROSION DISCUSSION TO A LATER PART OF THE CODE 'CAUSE IT FITS A LITTLE BETTER. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL TALK ABOUT NEXT WEEK. SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS A LOT OF THIS NEXT WEEK. SO THIS COATS, BUT IS THERE A WAY TO ADDRESS OR JUST MAKE REFERENCE TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT LATER IN THIS SECTION? SO IT'S A PART OF THE LANGUAGE AND THE ADVERSE IMPACT WE TRIED AND WE COULDN'T MAKE IT FIT. WE REALLY DID TRY FOR A LONG TIME TO TRY TO MAKE THAT WORK. SO THE WAY I READ THIS SECTION IS, AND SCROLL UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, LAUREN, RIGHT THERE. ADVERSE IMPACT. WE'RE NOT SAYING HERE HOW YOU CALCULATE ADVERSE IMPACT. WE'RE SAYING THE AREA OVER WHICH YOU CALCULATE ADVERSE IMPACT. 'CAUSE IT USED TO BE A CLEAN 2000 FEET DOWNSTREAM. NOW THERE'S A, YOU FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT AREA BASED ON THE CHARACTERISTICS OF YOUR SITE AND THE WATERSHED AND DOWNSTREAM CONDITIONS. THERE'S A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WE GET INTO NEXT WEEK THAT IS ABOUT HOW YOU CALCULATE ADVERSE IMPACT. AND SO MAYBE HERE, THIS IS SAYING THE FOLLOW CRITERIA WILL BE USED TO ANALYZE FOR ADVERSE IMPACT, YOU KNOW, MEETING THESE CRITERIA, DETERMINE THE BOUNDARY OF ADVERSE IMPACT. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THIS SHOULD CLARIFY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN LATER WE GET INTO MUCH THAT WOULD CLARIFY A LOT. THANK YOU. LAUREN, CAN YOU SCROLL BACK UP? SORRY, I KNOW WE'RE DRIVING YOU CRAZY. SO INSTEAD OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA WILL BE USED TO ANALYZE THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA WILL BE USED TO DETERMINE THE AREA FOR THE, FOR ADVERSE IMPACT [02:25:02] OF THE RECEIVING TO THE OR ADVERSE IMPACT TO THE RECEIVING STORMWATER FACILITIES. THAT WORKS. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. ON SUB POINT NUMBER THREE, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT FOUR STREETS TO THE NEAREST STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, ARE WE USING THE TERM STREETS HERE AS A BROADLY APPLICABLE ONE? OR WOULD IT INCLUDE ALLEYWAYS, FOR INSTANCE? IN A PRACTICAL SENSE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IF IT'S BEING USED, IF THE ALLEY IS A MECHANISM OF DRAINAGE CONVEYANCE, THEN IT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO AN ALLEYWAY. BUT TYPICALLY ALLEYWAYS DON'T HAVE STORM DRAIN INFRASTRUCTURE IN THEM. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, UH, LOCALIZED JUST CONVEYANCE. THERE'S NO, TYPICALLY THERE'S NO SYSTEMS IN. RIGHT. SO I WAS GONNA SAY WE USE OUR, OUR STREET NETWORK AS CONVEYANCE. UM, WHEN WE DESIGN IT, YOU KNOW, THE CURB HEIGHT AND SO FORTH, UH, MANY TIMES ON ALLEYWAYS, WE DON'T HAVE CURBS TO HAVE A CALCULATED VOLUME OF HOW MUCH WATER GOES IN THERE. SO, SO YES, IT IT, IT'S LIMITED TO THE STREETS ITSELF. SO LAUREN, WE'RE DELETING THAT. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? THERE BE SPACE BETWEEN CRITERIA AND ISMAIL. CARA SAYS THERE NEEDS TO BE A SPACE BETWEEN CRITERIA AND IS MET . I WANTED TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, I WANTED GEORGE TO SAY HE SAW ME AND MUMBLED IT TO HIM AND HE RATTED ME OUT. SO THAT'S YEAH. UP THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY MORE COMMENTS OR MOTION? I HAVE ONE COMMENT. SORRY. YES MA'AM. YOU GOT ME GOING WITH THE ALLEYS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN A SPECIFIC ALLEY THAT I CAN NAME. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE ALLEYS TO BE ADDED TO THAT. BUT IN THAT CASE, IS IT A, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE STORM DRAIN IN THE ALLEY. UNDER THE ALLEY, RIGHT? SO THAT WOULD, SO SO THAT FALLS UNDER THE OTHER CATEGORY THAT WOULD FALL NUMBER TWO, THAT THERE IS A STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THERE. SO, OKAY. SO IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, NOT BECAUSE IT'S AN ALLEY, IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A, A DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN PLACE. OKAY. JUST DROPPING MY, I'S CROSSING MY T'S. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY BIANCA SECOND. A SECOND BY DEBBIE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 22. UH, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION. AND ITEM 27 DASH FOUR AFFECTING APPENDIX H. ALRIGHT, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS. THIS IS A NEW SECTION, UM, OF OUR DRAINAGE MANUAL. UM, AND I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE, THIS WAS WRITTEN AS A RESULT OF SEVERAL SCENARIOS AND COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE HAD, UM, S FROM SEVERAL OF OUR DISTRICTS COUNCILMEN, UM, COUNCIL DISTRICTS WHERE WE HAVE, UM, A HILLTOP OF UNDEVELOPED RAW LAND THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED WHERE THE, UM, ABUTTING EXISTING DEVELOPMENT DOWNSTREAM DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONVEY THAT UPSTREAM WATER WHERE IT IS REQUIRED BY CODE. SO THIS, UM, ALSO TIES TO THE VERY, UM, CRITICAL, UH, POINT WHERE CON UH, CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN ON A DEVELOPMENT, HAS RIPPED THE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TREES THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY NEEDED FOR, UH, MITIGATION HAVE BEEN REMOVED. UM, AND THE TOP SOIL HAS BEEN REMOVED. AND SO GRADING HAS BEGUN ON THE PROPERTY AND, UM, NO INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN PLACED YET. NO STREETS, NO DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN WE GET A NICE LITTLE RAIN EVENT. WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT RUNOFF? UM, SO THIS IS PROVIDING SOME CLEAR GUIDANCE TO, UM, IDENTIFY AND HOPEFULLY, UM, MITIGATE THAT ISSUE. [02:30:06] IF I COULD ADD UP, WE, WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF STRUGGLES WITH, WITH CERTAIN, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND AROUND TOWN. UH, VARIOUS COUNCILMEN HAVE AND COUNCILWOMAN HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE, OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT INTERIM CONDITION, YOU KNOW, WE DO REQUIRE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS ANALYSIS. UM, BUT IF THE, BUT IF THE TIME BETWEEN EXISTING AND PROPOSED IS A LONG TIME AND WE GET A GOOD RAIN, UH, WE'RE START, WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT GOES IN THERE, CLEAR CUTS OR REMOVES OR REGRADES, IT BECOMES A, IT BECOMES A LIABILITY AN ISSUE FOR US. AND WE'RE HAVING TO PUT UP TEMPORARY ITEMS TO CONSTRUCT. SO WE WANT AN ANALYSIS THAT LOOKS INTO IT. UM, AND, AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL THEN COME IN AND PUT IN DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST, UM, TO PREVENT. SO, BUT THE IDEA IS REALLY IS JUST TO CREATE THAT ANALYSIS FOR, TO KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT CAN POTENTIALLY BE HAPPENING. TEXT JIM AND JAKE. THANKS. OKAY. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS HERE? HEY, GEORGE. YES SIR. YES, I DO. AS AN ENGINEER WHO, UH, DID THIS KIND OF WORK DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR 35 YEARS OR SO, I THINK THIS ADDITION HERE IS VERY GOOD IDEA, VERY NECESSARY. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING IT. AND I WANTED TO, ONE MORE THING. I WAS READING THE SECOND PAGE OF THE YELLOW SHEET AND UH, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, LAST SENTENCE, THIS ACTION WOULD ALSO REDUCE THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE SHUT DOWN FOR A STOP WORK ORDER. I'M WONDERING FOR SABRINA, HOW DID YOU DO THE MATH TO FIGURE THAT OUT? I'M SAYING THAT P**S, SEE I DON'T REALLY MEAN IT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE COST OF DOING THE EXTRA WORK WILL BE OFFSET BY THE, THAT YOU WON'T GET SUED OR WON'T GET PENALIZED FOR DOING SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T EVEN DONE YET. SURE. SO, UM, AS A RESULT, AND, AND NE MIGHT CHIME IN AS WELL, UM, A REQUEST FROM A PARTICULAR CASE REQUEST FROM THE COUNCILMAN WAS TO STOP THE WORK. UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS DIDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO. UM, SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD, IT WAS GOOD TO NOTE HERE THAT ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE SOME UPFRONT COSTS, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPER AND OR ENGINEERS, UM, WE THOUGHT IT, IT WAS GOOD TO KNOW ON THE BACKEND, UM, ONCE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEGUN, THAT WE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE NOT HAVING TO GO AND, AND DO ANY SORT OF MITIGATION EFFORTS TO RESOLVE THE SITUATION IF, YEAH. AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT. THE POINT IS THAT SOME OF THE UPFRONT WORK AND SOME OF THE CASES THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, THE DEVELOPER HAS COME, COME IN. WE'VE AND EXISTING HOMES, THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN IMPACTED. THE NEW, THE, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT AND EVEN THE ENGINEERING COMPANIES HAVE HAD TO UPFRONT SOME COSTS TO HELP REPAIR SOME OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE RECEIVED, WHETHER IT'S SEDIMENT OR DAMAGES TO THEIR SHEDS OR HOMES. UH, AND THERE HAS BEEN AN A, A COST INCURRED BY, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT IN ENGINEERS. UH, SO BY, BY PERFORMING THIS STUDY UPFRONT, IT WOULD REDUCE THAT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ACTUAL CALCULATED NUMBER, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION EARLIER ON, UM, WHERE IT SAYS WE'RE NEW OR REDEVELOPMENT OF BUTS EXISTING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT EXCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S NOT PART OF THE SAME M D P 'CAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE KIND OF CHASING YOUR TAIL AS YOUR UNITS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. YOU CAN MITIGATE SOME OF IT WITH CONSTRUCTION MEASURES LIKE EXCAVATING ROADS BEFORE YOU KNOW ANYTHING ELSE OR WHATEVER. BUT HAVING TO DO THE CALCULATIONS WITH EACH UNIT, YOU JUST END UP CHASING YOUR TAIL FOR NO REASON WHEN AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S GONNA BE DONE. I UNDERSTAND THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT ARE, HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE BEFORE YOUR PROJECT. THAT'S GREAT. RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, EXCLUDING, YOU KNOW, PARTS THAT WERE PART OF YOUR M V P, I THINK, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT. YEAH. THAT WAS THE INTENT IS TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT THIS, UH, LET'S JUST SAY ALAMO RANCH OR YOU'VE GOT NUMEROUS UNITS WITHIN THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE YOU GO AND DO THIS INTERIM CONDITION YEP. FOR EVERY SINGLE UNIT THEREAFTER. UM, SO CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO SAY WE'RE NEW OR REDEVELOPMENT A BUTTS EXISTING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SAME M D P GEORGE? IS THAT ADDRESSED IN THE SENTENCE AT THE END OF THE FIRST PARAGRAPH? WHEREABOUTS, ASHLEY? THE INTERIM CONDITIONS ANALYSIS IS NOT REQUIRED AT THE MDP STAGE AS WELL. WELL, TO ME THAT READS THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, IF YOU SUBMIT AN M D P, SAY YOU'VE GOT AN M D P AND YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF SURROUNDING [02:35:01] DEVELOPMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HANDLE THE INTERIM CONDITIONS FOR THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. YOU WILL HAVE TO DO IT AT THE M D P STAGE. THIS IS MORE LIKE IF YOU HAVE UNIT ONE IS HERE, UNIT TWO IS HERE, YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO DO IT AT THE INTERFACE BETWEEN THOSE TWO UNITS. BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'LL BE CHASING YOUR, YOUR TAIL ALL THE WAY. BECAUSE THE WAY IT WORKS AT AN M D P, WE DO AN OVERALL STORMWATER REPORT, BUT THEN UNIT BY UNIT YOU COME IN AND DO A MORE DETAILED ONE THAT'S LOOKING AT YOUR STREETS, YOUR DRAINS, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY CALCULATING IN THAT UNIT AND THE CAPACITY OF IT. SO THIS IS JUST SAYING YOU WOULD DO AN INTERIM CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AT THAT TIME OF YOUR SPECIFIC UNIT AND PLATT . YEAH, NO, I GET IT. SO CAN WE REPEAT THAT, GEORGE? UM, SO LIKE, UH, OKAY. WHERE IT SAYS ON WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. YEAH. WHERE NEW OR REDEVELOPMENT OF BUTTS EXISTING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT PART OF THE SAME M D P OR YEAH. OR SHOULD WE SAY APPLICANT'S M D P CAN, CAN I ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WE NUMBER THANK YOU ALL OF THOSE LISTED ITEMS? YES. YEAH, SAME THING. AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION ON THE LAST ONE, SO, OR THE LAST TWO. SO ARE THOSE COMBINED OR YOU KNOW, IS THAT A, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, OR THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE FOLLOWING BY THE NEXT CASE. SO IS THAT ONE POINT ABOUT IT'S AN OR ONE OF THE OTHER? IN OTHER WORDS, SHOULD FOUR AND FIVE BE COMBINED? I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU WERE, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT FOUR AND FIVE SHOULD BE COMBINED. WELL, YOU HAVE AN OR THERE ON NUMBER FOUR AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHY IT IS THAT THEY AREN'T COMBINED OR IT'S A SEMICOLON AFTER EVERY ONE. EVERY ONE. IT'S, IT CAN BE ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. SO I WAS WONDERING IF IT WAS THEY'RE ALL ORS OR, YEAH. SO YEAH, SO WE'RE ALL THESE YEARS AND, AND THEN I'M ALSO ASSUMING Q INTERIM IS, IS AN INDUSTRY-WIDE KNOWN TERM. UM, SO I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT CALLED OUT BEFORE Q INTERIM. SO THAT'S A INDUSTRY-WIDE TERM. YEAH. SO, OKAY. UM, I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU JUST RENUMBERED THE SECTIONS, YOU PUSHED LID DOWN TO 4.3 POINT 10, RIGHT. AND JUST STUCK THIS IN BETWEEN. THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. YEAH. AND THEN YOU JUST ALSO HAVE, UH, WELL I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS, UM, SO IT SAYS FOR ALL SITES LESS THAN ONE ACRE THAT ARE NOT PART OF A LARGER OVERALL PLAN, WHAT ABOUT SITES THAT ARE GREATER THAN AN ACRE? YOU KIND OF WENT OUT ON THAT LAST, WHAT ABOUT SITES THAT ARE WHAT, GREATER THAN AN WHY? LIKE WHY, WHY DO YOU SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT SITES THAT ARE LESS THAN ONE ACRE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 'CAUSE AS LONG AS, SO, OKAY, SO THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, BASED ON THE SWEAT PLANTS, THE SAUCE, UH, SWEAT PLANTS, ANYTHING LESS THAN AN ACRE DOES NOT REQUIRED IN A PLAN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS THAT IN. GOTCHA. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THOSE. OKAY. I'M WITH YOU. AND THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO, YOU HAVE A TABLE REFERENCED T B D, DON'T FORGET TO INSERT THE TABLE RECORDS. AH, OH, GOOD CATCH. THANK YOU. THERE'S TWO OF THOSE ON THE SAME SENTENCE IN THE SAME LINE THERE. I'LL GET YOU THAT TABLE. MM-HMM. . SORRY, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY, MY YET. . AND THEN AT THE LAST ONE IT SAYS INCLUDE THE PERTINENT CONSTRUCTION NOTES, REFERENCE APPENDIX A. I AM ASSUMING THE, I DIDN'T LOOK, PARDON ME FOR NOT DOING THAT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE CONSTRUCTION NOTES ARE INDEPENDENT. IS THAT YES. YEAH. GOTCHA. OKAY. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T, TROY, DO YOU HAVE I WAS GETTING TIRED SO WE CAN ADD IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. . I NEEDED A BEER. SHOULD BE FIVE POINT SOMETHING, SOMETHING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ENTERTAIN A MOTION? IF NOT, MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY BIANCA. SOME THAN ME. OKAY. SECOND. SECOND BY KARA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM 23, DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE ACTION ON 27 DASH FIVE. AFFECTING NONE OTHER THAN APPENDIX H. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS ALREADY IN THE, WE'RE THIS IS ALREADY A PROCESS THAT [02:40:01] WE ARE DOING. UM, IT, IT'S JUST PROVIDING REFERENCE BACK TO, UH, 35, 2 10, CLEANING UP THAT REFERENCE THERE. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY KARA. A SECOND BY BIANCA. WAS THAT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. 24. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON 27 DASH SIX AFFECTING APPENDIX EACH. MOVE APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY KARA, A SECOND BY MR. BIANCA. AGAIN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. NUMBER 25, DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION ON 27 DASH SEVEN AFFECTING APPENDIX H. MOVE APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY CARRIE, SECOND BY BIANCA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. MR. CHAIR, I WOULD, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE BRING BACK ITEM, UH, WHICH ONE DID WE 13 DEFER ITEM 13 THAT WE DEFERRED TO TRY TO WRAP UP THAT LANGUAGE SECTION AND GET IT APPROVED OR GET IT ADDRESSED TODAY. SO THAT, 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE AGAIN, THE NEXT COMING WEEKS, WAS IT 27 39? WE HAVE A MOTION BY KARA TO RE BRING UP ITEM NUMBER 27 DASH 39, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY POSTPONED TO NEXT WEEK TO WRAP UP THAT LANGUAGE SINCE WE STILL HAVE TIME. SO WHAT I, WHAT I WANTED TO ADD TO THAT AND THE REASON WHY WE KIND OF HESITATED, UH, NEFFIE, I THINK WE STILL HAVE, WE WE NEED A SECOND. I HEARD A SECOND, BUT WE NEED THE ACTION. WHO IS THE SECOND? BIANCA? BIANCA SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. OKAY, SORRY NEPHEW. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. SORRY. I THOUGHT I, UM, THE REASON WHY, UH, WE WANTED, THE REASON WHY WE HESITATED IS WE WERE, WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS ITEM AND WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE HAD SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR. UM, IF SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER WHEN WE PERFORMED, WHEN WE IDENTIFIED A, UM, ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, UM, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA IN THE REAL DISTRICT, WE HAD LANGUAGE THAT REFERRED TO ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE IS, UH, THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, MAY NOT BE ON THE RIVER ITSELF, BUT ARE NEXT TO THE RIVER. BUT THEN THERE WAS CONFUSION. WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ADJACENT? IS IT A HUNDRED FEET? IS IT 200 FEET? WE ENDED UP DEVELOPING A MAP THAT IDENTIFIED, UH, THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WERE QUOTE, ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. AND THAT WAS OUR INTENTION AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS PROPOSING OUR STAFF TO DO. BUT I WAS, I WAS REMINDED THAT THE MAP ITSELF IS NOT IN CODE. THAT WHAT IS IN CODE IS THE REFERENCE TO THAT MAP. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WE, WE WANT TO CREATE A MAP FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM FOR PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE REAL DISTRICT. SO IF YOU IMAGINE THE REAL DISTRICT, AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND BRING UP THAT, THAT MAP. UM, IT WOULD BE THE, THE MAP THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP WOULD BE PROPERTIES THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS ADJACENT TO THE RIO DISTRICT. AND THAT'S THE MAP WE WOULD, WE WOULD POST, BUT IN THE CODE ITSELF, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE THE REFERENCE TO THAT MAP BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE MAP IN THE CODE ITSELF. SO IF, IF YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME BRING UP THE RIO DISTRICT MAP. SO SECTION TWO A WOULD READ SOMETHING LIKE WHEN RE WHEN LOCATED IN THE RIO DISTRICT OR ON REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AS SHOWN ON MAP BLANK WITH THE LINK TO THAT MAP WOULD BE THIS CODE SECTION LANGUAGE. AND THAT WOULD BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT WE DO FOR LID, WHERE WE DESCRIBE WHERE LID IS MANDATORY IN RIO ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. YES. UH, NEPHI, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY. UH, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE VARIOUS RIO OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND DEPENDING ON WHICH OVERLAY DISTRICT YOU'RE IN, IT DETERMINES THE DISTANCE OF ADJACENCY OR HOW FAR IT APPLIES TO PROPERTY AND IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE, UM, RIVER. IS THAT, IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT CAN I, YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER? UH, THAT IS CORRECT. FOR ZONING, THE CHALLENGE WAS IN LID IN TWO. OKAY. SEVEN YEARS AGO. THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADOPTED RIGHT AT THE END SAYS LID IS MANDATORY. IT'S VOLUNTARY EVERYWHERE, BUT IT'S MANDATORY IN RIO. WERE ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. AND WHAT WE GOT INTO IS WHAT DOES ADJACENT MEAN? BUT IT'S, CAN I REPL A STRIP AND NOW MY PROPERTY HAS A GAP AND I'M NOT ADJACENT. SO WE DID A MAP TO AVOID THAT CARVE OUT CREATION. [02:45:01] BUT BUT THE MANDATORY IS ONLY REQUIRED IN OVERLAY ONE. IT'S OPTIONAL ON ALL THE OTHER ONES, CORRECT? NO. OH, OKAY. I HAVE, THIS IS DEBBIE REED AND I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHY THE, UM, LOCATED IN THE RIO IS NOT UNDER TWO. WHY IT'S PUT IN A, I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WAS MY INITIAL, 'CAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT NUMBER TWO, THE NEW MIXED USE STRUCTURES IS FOR THE RIO DISTRICT. I, I'M, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I'M SORRY. OKAY, NUMBER TWO, NEW MIXED USE STRUCTURES, CAPITAL AND COMMERCIAL AND WITH UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. AND MY QUESTION IS, WHY ISN'T THE WORD UM, RIO DISTRICT NEW USED STRUCTURES AND CAPITAL AND COMMERCIAL ET CETERA IN THE RIO DISTRICT UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RIO OR REDEVELOPMENT. SO THEY'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT IDENTIFIED IN A RIO BUT ARE REDEVELOPMENT AREAS AND IN THE FLOODPLAIN. SO THEY ARE ADJACENT TO THE RIO, BUT JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT RIO OVERLAY. OKAY. SO SO SHOULD BE REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AS SHOWN ON MATH. WE'RE NOT, THE LANGUAGE ADJACENT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT USE. THAT'S ALWAYS THE PROBLEM. IT SHOULD BE SHOWN ON, WE ACTUALLY, I THINK LIKE A REFERENCE TO MATH IN THAT SECTION. 35, 2 10. YES. OKAY. IN THE RED ACT, DIDN'T WE ALREADY ADOPT THAT GRID? YES. A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. YES. IT WAS IN TWO 10 THOUGH. IT WAS THE ONE OF THE EARLIER, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE MET ON, IN, IN, BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE IN THAT EARLY ZONING SECTION. BECAUSE IT'S A REAL REFERENCE, NOT A STORMWATER. CORRECT. IT IT WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT WE PROPOSED. EXCUSE ME, GEORGE FIRE AMENDMENT. YES. UH, I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY ITEM A IS EVEN AN ITEM. AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT THE B, C AND D APPLY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE RIO DISTRICT'S? IT SEEMS TO ME THERE THAT WAS DEBBIE'S THAT'S DEBBIE. SAME QUESTION SIR. I THINK THAT'S THE SAME QUESTION DEBBIE WAS ASKING. YEAH, I WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE, WHERE'D I FIND THE DANG REDS. FIND THE, AND YOU'LL FIND A SECTION OF THE COAT. THE AMENDMENT NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BROADWAY BECOMES OUT 0 0 5. OH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? SURE. [02:50:03] IS THAT PROBABLY ON CONSIDERED HERE? RIGHT? SO POINT HERE ISN'T WHAT THE MAP IS. WE JUST NEED THE SAYS WE'RE GONNA CREATE MAP, SEE THE MAP. SO THE QUESTION, WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE MAP SAYS. WE JUST NEED TO CORRECTLY POINT TO THE MAP. SO THE, SO THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL NEVER EVEN NEEDS TO SEE THE MAP IF WE DON'T ON THE LID MAP EITHER IT'S A STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE MAP BECAUSE HIS PROPERTIES ARE RE PLATTED OR HIS DRAINAGE IS LOOKED AT, IS THE DRAINAGE GOES THE OPPOSITE WAY. DOESN'T NEED TO BE, IT'S WHY THE MAP LOOKED AT IT. QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE ARE, WHY IS IT SPECIFICALLY ISOLATING THE RIO DISTRICT? IS IT, 'CAUSE WE'RE ONLY ALLOWING THESE TO HAPPEN IN THE RIO DISTRICT. CORRECT. AND SO IT'S LIMITING. SO ANY NEW MIXED USE STRUCTURES, HABITABLE AND COMMERCIAL PARKING GARAGE, ET CETERA CAN ONLY HAPPEN IN THE RIO DISTRICT IF IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN OR, OR THE OTHER ONE NEAR THE RIO. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IDENTIFYING THE RIO DISTRICT THAT'S TECHNICALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE, IT CAN'T HAPPEN EVERYWHERE IF IT'S NOT IN THE RIO DISTRICT. SO YOU MAY BE A BLOCK OVER FROM RIO, BUT YOU'RE STILL IN THE AREA IMPACTED BY THE SPILL OF THE RIVER. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO CATCH SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT THE RIO DISTRICT. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ONLY ALLOWING THAT IN THAT AREA. KEEP GOING. YEAH, KEEP GOING. SO THE, THE MAP ITSELF WAS NOT PART OF THE AMENDMENT. ALL WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE LANGUAGE OF HOW TO REFERENCE TO MAP. YEP. OH THIS GROUP HAS NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MAP. THAT WILL BE A STACK. SO WHICH ONE IS THAT ONE? THAT WAS PART OF THE RID THE MAP DOESN'T THE THE LID. I'M TRYING TO FIND THE LID. LID LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY HOW. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE A MAP. I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA FIND A MAP. NO, WE STILL HAVE MAPS THAT SHOW THE LIMITS OF RIO. WE CREATED A MAP THAT SHOWS THE LIMITS OF GRID IN THE REEF. IT'S A RID 20 18 0 0 5. SO COULD WE AT LEAST SEE THAT MAP? THE RID MAP FOR THE LANGUAGE? THE LANGUAGE. JUST THE LANGUAGE. YEAH. SO SCROLL UP, SCROLL UP TO THE, IS IT ADDED LANGUAGE OR IS IT REFERENCE TO IT WAS CHANGED WITH THIS RIDGE BLUE HIGHLIGHT GO UP AND REFERENCE BACK. YEAH, THIS, THIS IS A SECTION THAT SAYS ADJACENT TO THE, NO, THIS WAS THE THE RED. SO, BUT WHEN WE WERE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING IT, DID WE MAKE CHANGE? MEANING THAT WAS BEFORE ME. I DON'T, I WASN'T PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. BUT THIS IS A 2018 RED. YES. SO THEN IT'S NOT IN ANY OF THIS YOU'RE SHOWING. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS A SEPARATE RED. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A WHOLE RED THAT WAS JUST THE MAP PLAYING ADJACENCY. THAT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT CODE SECTIONS. THAT'S WHAT I'M ABOUT TO GO BACK ONE PAGE WHERE YOU WERE AT WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU DO SEARCH ON LIVE GO TARA. BUT WHAT WAS IT A RED THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA HERE AT P T A. WHAT ABOUT 2018? OH FIVE. LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE SECOND TO THE LAST. THAT ONE. NO, THAT'S THE ACTUAL TEXTING. A FRIEND PHONE. A FRIEND [02:55:02] CALL A A FRIEND. WHO WOULD YOU CALL IF YOU HAD TO CALL A FRIEND THAT WAS THE ONE YOU OPENED EARLIER? THE ID LIST. MAYBE IT'S AN ID. MAYBE IT'S AN ID. IT'S AN ID BECAUSE IT'S A BULLETIN. NOT A CLARIFICATION. THE REDEVELOPMENT WAS READ. YOU'RE RIGHT AS AN IV. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S ON FIRST. HEY FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT DOING THIS IN FIVE YEARS. JUST . CAN YOU JUST SEARCH LYNN? 1718 IVS. YEAH I TRIED RIGHT THERE. RIGHT THERE. 5, 6, 8. OH JESUS, THIS IS NO. YEAH. LAUREN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE TEXT? THE U D C AMENDMENT. OKAY. SO IT'S AN, WELL WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING ALONG THE, THE MANDATORY LID MAP AS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LID. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN THAT LAUREN IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE U D C AMENDMENT LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THIS NEW MAP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S GONNA BE ON PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE REAL DISTRICT. SO THE MAP WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE'RE SCROLLING AND GETTING DIZZY LOOKING AT IT, THAT IS PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE RIVER. SO THAT'S GONNA BE THIN, THINNER. THE ONE THAT WE WILL BE CREATING WILL BE A BIGGER MAP THAT WILL SHOW PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE REAL DISTRICT. AND WE WILL DEFINE THAT ON A MAP. SO IF YOU SEE ONE OF THIS MAP, A MAP OF THE REAL DISTRICT, WE WILL HAVE, WE WILL DRAW OUT A LINE AROUND THE REAL DISTRICT TO DEFINE WHAT ADJACENT MEANS. SO ARE, SO WE LOCATED IN THE RIO DISTRICT OR ON REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AS DEFINED BY PUBLIC WORKS, IS IT, IS IT ACTUALLY FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO PROPERTIES ALREADY ZONED RIO? WITHIN RIO AND THOSE SHARING A PROPERTY LINE WITH THE PROPERTY ZONE RIO? NO, A BUDDING IS SHARING A PROP, UH, SHARING OF THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT MEANS I CAN HAVE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. UM, AND BE LIKE ACROSS THE STREET OR IT HAS WITH ADJACENT TO AN EASEMENT THAT IS THEN DIRECTLY ABUTTING THAT PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE RIO. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A SPECIFIC BOUNDARY THAT EXISTS ON PAPER TODAY. RIO IS A CONVENIENT WAY OF SAYING IT. IT HAS TO DO WITH PROPERTIES THAT GENERALLY ARE SOMEWHERE NEAR THE RIVER BUT SIT IN THE FLOODPLAIN [03:00:01] WHEN THE RIVER'S OUTSIDE OF ITS BANKS AND THERE'S NOT A WAY WITHOUT A MAP TO DEFINE WHAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE. SO I AGREE A WHOLEHEARTEDLY, BUT HOW CAN WE VOTE ON SOMETHING WITHOUT A MAP? BUT THE CODE WILL NEVER INCLUDE THE MAP. SO WE WOULD NOT BE APPROVING A MAP BECAUSE IF WE PUT A MAP IN CODE, THEN COUNCIL EVERY TIME THERE'S A CHANGE OR YOU KNOW WATERSHED CHANGES OR A CHANGES OF THAT FLOODPLAIN, THE CODE HAS TO BE AMENDED FOR THAT MAP. WHICH IS WHY WE DID WITH LID WHAT WE DID OF MAKING IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE MAP AND NOT A CODE MAP. AND THIS MAP WILL BE ON OUR G I S WEBSITE. CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. SO THEN ALL, SO THEN ALL WE NEED TO REFERENCE IS WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE MAP IS GONNA BE AND WHAT IT'S GONNA BE CALLED. RIGHT? THE LAYER, RIGHT. AND THE GS MAPS. SO THEN WE CAN SAY WHEN WE'RE LOCATED THE RIO DISTRICT, WE'RE ON REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY REFER OR AS DEFINED IN WHEREVER ON MAP, WHATEVER. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW. DO WE WANNA REFERENCE THE G I SS ONE STOP MAP? THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LOOK FOR IT MIGHT NOT CALL IT ONE STOP FOREVER. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ONE STEP TO THE G I S MAP. I MEAN THAT'S, WE PROMISE. WELL AS LONG AS I'M HERE I WON'T CHANGE THE NAME OF THE MAP. . AREN'T YOU RETIRING SOON? SH DON'T. BUT THAT'S SO MUCH MORE FUN . SURE. AND WOULD WE IDENTIFY THE LAYER OR NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT PART, BUT WE HAVE THE RIO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF DEFINING IT AS THE RIO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. SO HOW DO, HOW DO WE REFERENCE THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS? OUR FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS ARE NOT IN CODE BUT WE'RE REFERENCING THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS. WHAT, WHAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING IS HOW WE, IN THE SAME WAY WE REFERENCE THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAPS, BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND IT'S THE PUBLIC WORKS. WE KEEP THOSE MAPS AND WE HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND SO FORTH. BUT THOSE ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING. BUT THOSE MAPS, THE WAY WE REFERENCE THAT IS, IS THE WAY WE SHOULD BE REFERENCING THIS PARTICULAR MAP. YES. SO WHAT DO YOU WANNA CALL IT? NEFI? LET'S CALL IT THE COOL MAP. NO, WE'RE GONNA CALL IT THE, LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT ON BASICALLY ALONG THE RIO IN GENERAL. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE OUT THE WORD REDEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT LIMITED TO THE AREA IS DEFINED GENERALLY BY THE RIO MAP REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. YEAH, GENERALLY IN THE RIO DISTRICT. LIMITED PERMISSIBLE FLOODPLAIN CON CONSTRUCTION. WHAT, LET'S SAY THAT AGAIN, I KNOW I PERMISSIBLE FLOODPLAIN CONSTRUCTION. IS THIS THE PERMISSIBLE FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT MAP? IS THIS THE NAME OF THE MAP? ? YES, THIS IS THE NAME OF THE MAP. THE NAME MAP. WE'LL MAKE IT AN ACRONYM. OH C. INCLUDING THE LANGUAGE AS MAINTAINED BY THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC WORKS OR THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR. YES. FLOOD PLAIN ADMINISTRATOR. AND I, I THINK WE CAN TAKE OFF THE GS ONE STOP MAP. WE DON'T, WE DON'T EVER REFERENCE OUR ONE STOP MAP ANYWHERE IN THE U D C THAT IS JUST NOT AN . CAN WE ADD, UM, L P F C M FLOODPLAIN MAP BY PUBLIC WORKS OR THE, OR CHANGE THAT TO A FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR BY THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR. FLOOD CLOSED. WHAT TIME? GOT [03:05:01] FOUR MAINTAINED BY THE FLIP KILLING IT. WELL I WANT TO DO IT NEXT WEEK. GONNA BE HERE. THIS STILL LEAVES A LOT OF LEEWAY IN TERMS OF WHAT QUOTE UNQUOTE REDEVELOPED PROPERTY IS. CAN I SUGGEST SOME LANGUAGE LIKE IN THE CENTRAL CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO WE CAN CONCENTRATE THE GENERAL IDEA OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN. WELL THIS MAP IS GONNA DRILL DOWN WHICH PROPERTIES ARE AND R NOT ALLOWED TO BENEFIT FROM THIS SECTION. SO IF, IF YOU TIE IT TO THAT MAP, I THINK THAT GEOGRAPHICALLY CONSTRAINS WHERE THIS COULD EVER BE. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. INTERPRETED TO BE APPLIED TO. EXCEPT I READ IT FROM THIS STANDPOINT WHEN LOCATED ON THE RIO MAP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OR REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY COULD BE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY AS AS DEFINED AS THEN AS OKAY AS DEFINED BY THE BUT WHICH DOES THAT APPLY TO THE BOTH RIO OR THE REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY? SO I SEE WHAT JODY'S SAYING. IT COULD BE ALL RIO OR ALL REDEVELOPMENT ON MAP IN THE MAP. SO DOES IT NEED TO SAY WHEN LOCATED IN THE RIO DISTRICT OR ON REDEVELOPED AND AND INSTEAD OF OR AND ON REDEVELOPMENT PROPERTY I MOVE, WE DEFER THIS ITEM TO NEXT WEEK FOR KIM BROWN . WELL I WAS GONNA SECOND 'CAUSE I REALLY WANNA SEE THE MAP. KIDDING. I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. THIS I DEVELOPED . SHOULD MY QUESTION BACK TO THE MAP. WILL THE MAP, WHEN WILL THE MAP BE CREATED ABOUT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH CODE? IS THAT LIKE PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS THAT YOU WAIT TO CREATE THE MAP UNTIL THAT TIME? I, I'M GONNA DEFER TO SABRINA AND NEPHI 'CAUSE THIS MAP IS GONNA BE GENERATED, UM, BASED OFF OF THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DIFFERENT LAYERS OF I I I THANK YOU. I I WOULD LIKE TO UM, OBVIOUSLY IF WE WERE TO DEVELOP A MAP TODAY, IT WOULD BE BASED ON TODAY'S FLOODPLAIN. AND AS YOU, AS WE ALL DISCUSSED, UH, OUR PARTNERS IN THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY THROUGH FEMA IS LOOKING TO IS IS UPDATING OUR FEMA MAPS AS WE SPEAK AND THEY SHOULD BE OUT PUBLISHED FOR OUR REVIEW THIS SUMMER. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT, UM, IN THE SUMMER, ONCE THAT MAP COMES OUT, WE CAN HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT FLOODPLAIN WILL LOOK LIKE IN, IN THIS AREA. 'CAUSE THOSE WILL INCORPORATE ATLAS 14, CORRECT. NEFFY. SO THE MAP WILL CHANGE, I'M SORRY, THE NEW MAPS INCORPORATE ATLAS 14, CORRECT? YES. AND THEN I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WOULD BE A PART OF YOUR PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT INFORMATION OUT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE AND THAT IT'LL BE ON OUR ONE STOP MAP'S. CORRECT. AND IT IS REQUIREMENT AS PART OF FEMA. SO POINT OF FURTHER CLARIFICATION, GIVEN THE WHOLE MAPS ROLLING OUT THIS SUMMER AND WHEN THEY FINALLY GET ADOPTED, SO THAT THIS MAP MAY NOT BE FINALIZED UNTIL AFTER THIS CODE IS ADOPTED. MM-HMM. CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. I WOULD CITY COUNCIL. SO COUNCIL'S GONNA APPROVE THIS CORRECT. BEFORE A MAP IS CREATED. THAT'S THE WAY LID WAS DONE ALSO. THAT'S, I WOULD ALSO WANNA CLARIFY, I WOULD ALSO CHIME IN THAT WHILE CITY COUNCIL WILL LIKELY CONSIDER THESE AMENDMENTS IN OCTOBER, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AGAIN AT DELAYING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THESE AMENDMENTS UNTIL JANUARY. SO THAT BUYS EXTRA TIME AS WELL. BUT I DON'T THINK THE FLOOD MAPS ARE GONNA BE READY BY JANUARY AT THAT POINT. I'M JUST SAYING THANKS. WELL THE FEMA THE FEMA MAPS ARE ALREADY ON THE G I S SO YOU CAN GO SEE FEMA. I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE, THEY EXIST RIGHT NOW AND HE'S NOT GONNA DO THEM ON THAT. BUT, BUT I THINK WE CAN GO WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS OF STARTING THE RIO AREA WITHIN G I S SO THAT PART'S OUTTA THE WAY AND THEN, AND THEN GET THE BOUNDARIES. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THE WAY WE DID OUR MAP FOR OUR COMMUNITY WAS WE JUST GAVE 'EM THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS THE OUTLINE OF THAT. AND BASICALLY IT GOT SUBMITTED SOMEWHERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY DID THEIR MAGIC AND IT APPEARED. SO, SO I WOULD PROPOSE, WELL ONE, INSTEAD OF LIMITED PERMISSIBLE FLOODPLAIN MAP, LIMITED PERMISSIBLE DEVELOPMENT MAP. 'CAUSE THE FLOODPLAIN ISN'T LIMITED OR PERMISSIBLE, IT'S THE FLOODPLAIN. BUT WHAT WE DID WITH THE LID MAP AND WITH OTHER THINGS LIKE DRAINAGE MANUAL, WE'RE WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR WHAT, TWO YEARS WITH SARAH ON UPDATING THE LID MANUAL. THERE'S COMMITTEES THAT MEET ON THOSE DETAILS THAT DON'T BELONG IN CODE THAT AREN'T A, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE MINUTIAE [03:10:01] OF HOW IT WORKS. AND THAT UPDATES AND CHANGES MORE OFTEN THAN A FIVE-YEAR CODE DOES, WHICH IS WHY IT LIVES OUTSIDE OF CODE THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF WOULD PREPARE A MAP AT SOME POINT AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT OR A, A COMMITTEE THAT COULD MEET TO REVIEW IT LIKE SARAH HAD WITH THE UPDATED LID MANUAL. YOU'VE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THAT AND OTHER COMMITTEES LIKE THAT, THAT THE MAP DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE. AND HOW, AND IN THE INTERIM YOU GUYS ARE JUST MAKING THAT DETERMINATION FROM A TECHNICAL CODE PERSPEC, YOU KNOW, APPLICABILITY ONCE THE MAP IS COMPLETED. UH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND, AND FUTURE MODIFICATIONS, WHAT WOULD THE REVIEW AND FUTURE MODIFICATION PROCESS BE LIKE? WOULD IT INCLUDE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT IF IT'S AN INTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE MATTER? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MAP, THE FLOOD MAPS ITSELF BEING UPDATED? YES. SO THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE, PER FEMA REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO GO AND VET THIS OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THERE'S A 90 DAY, ONCE WE'VE ISSUED DRAFT MAPS, THERE'S A 90 DAY APPEALS AND PROTEST. NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE LIMITED PERMISSIBLE DEVELOPMENT. OH, YOU'RE THAT MAP NOT FEMA MAP. SO I SEE NO, NO, NOT A PUBLIC PROCESS. NORMALLY PUBLIC. NO. OKAY. I BELIEVE ASHLEY HAD A COMMENT. I'M SORRY, , I HATE TO DO THIS, BUT ON THE WORD REDEVELOPED, SHOULD THAT BE REDEVELOPMENT? BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW MIXED USE STRUCTURES, THEY'RE NOT REDEVELOPED YET. CAN WE JUST CHANGE THAT WORD TO REDEVELOPMENT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MOVE WE APPROVE THIS ITEM. HOLD, HOLD ON A MINUTE. SO CHANGING THE WORD FROM ORDER AND OUR ATTORNEYS ARE POINTING OUT IS ACTUALLY CHANGING THE INTENT. HAVING THE, AND MEANS YOU HAVE TO BE LOCATED IN THE RIO AND YOU HAVE TO REDEVELOP PROPERTY. SO IF SOME, IF THE WHOLE POINT IS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO WHO ARE REDEVELOPING PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN THE RIO IT NEEDS TO BE OR WHAT THEY SO PUT A COMMA AFTER DISTRICT. SO WHEN LOCATED IN THE RIO COMMA OR UN REDEVELOPED PROPERTY AS DEFINED IN THE LIMITED, PERMISSIBLE DA DA DA I MOVE, WE APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS. WE HAVE A MOTION BY KARA FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. SECOND. SECOND. BY WHO HAS, UH, PHILLIP, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS THAT IS ALL OF OUR AMENDMENTS BEFORE US TODAY. IS THERE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? THE ONLY UPDATE IS WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE TENTATIVE AGENDA ANYMORE 'CAUSE WE CONSIDERED THAT LAST ITEM. SO, GREAT JOB LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS THAN IT IS 3 52 AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. RIGHT? I THINK YOU SHOULD SIT . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.