* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. TODAY IS MARCH 24TH, 2022. AND THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING OF THE BUILDING CODE COMMITTEE. AND THE INITIAL MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE. UH, TO START WITH, WE'RE GONNA DO AN INTERPRETATION VIDEO FOR THOSE PRESENT AND WATCHING AT HOME. ALRIGHT, NEXT WILL BE A ROLL CALL. WILLIAM BURRIS. PRESENT. KAREN CARPENTER. LOUIS OCULUS. ROBERT HENLEY. BRIAN SMITH. JOE LAOS. HERE. MIKE RUST. HERE. MARK ROSS. HERE. JACK UP MORE HERE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, FOUR OUT OF SIX HERE, UM, WITH BOTH MIKE RUST AND MARK ROSS HERE. SO ANY OPEN VOTES THAT WE TAKE, THE VOTE WILL GO TO MIKE AS THE PRIMARY FOR THE POSITION, AND THAT GIVES US QUORUM FOUR OUTTA SIX, CORRECT? WE'RE GOOD. I WANNA MAKE SURE I DO THE MATH RIGHT. ALRIGHT. AND I DO KNOW I HAVE HEARD FROM A COMMITTEE MEMBER HENLEY. HE SAID HE'LL BE HERE ABOUT AN HOUR LATE. SO ONCE HE JOINS US, WE'LL ADD HIM TO THE ROLL CALL AS WELL. UM, WE, BEFORE THE MEETING DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OPEN COMMENTS. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY DOESN'T APPEAR LIKE ANYBODY FROM OPEN COMMENTS AT THIS POINT. SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT IN CASE SOMEBODY DOES HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY WANNA ADDRESS. UH, ONCE WE ELECT A CHAIR, THEY CAN, A CHAIR CAN BRING 'EM FORWARD IN ANY ITEM TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE. ALRIGHT. UH, FIRST ITEM FOR AGENDA IS TO VOTE TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE CHAIR AND A CO-CHAIR. ANYBODY INTERESTED TO NOMINATE OR NOMINATE THEMSELVES OR A COMMITTEE MEMBER FOR CHAIR AT THIS POINT? I NOMINATE, UH, I NOMINATE MIKE RU CHAIR. I COULD SECOND. YEAH. WILLIAM BURRIS. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE JACK UP MOORE NOMINATING MIKE RUS, SECONDED BY WILLIAM BURRIS. ALL IN FAVOR A AYE. AYES HAVE IT. MICHAEL RUSK. CONGRATULATIONS, YOUR CHAIR. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ELECT A CO-CHAIR NOW, OR WE CAN DO IT AT A DIFFERENT TIME. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO Y'ALL. UH, AT THIS TIME I NOMINATE, UH, JOE LEOS AS A CO-CHAIR, MY WAY OUTTA THE POSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. . OH, YOU'RE STILL THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD, SO YOU KNOW, WILLIAM BURRIS. SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE JACK MOORE. SO WE'VE GOT JOE NOMINATED AS THE CO-CHAIR. UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING? NONE. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE, UH, SOUNDS UNANIMOUS. PERFECT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. UH, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA KIND OF HAVE EVERY SINGLE MEETING JUST IN CASE WE EVER NEED IT. IF A, UH, BOARD MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO SHOW UP AND BE, UH, ADDED TO THE COMMITTEE. SO WE JUST WANNA BE ON THE AGENDA SINCE WE HAVE TO PUT THE 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE. UH, AT THIS POINT, THERE'S NOBODY NEW. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY WE WANNA TRY TO ADD. SO I, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY KICK US OUTTA QUORUM. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE, THE COMMITTEE DOES NOT ADD ANYBODY AT THIS TIME. UH, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS AT ANY TIME, UH, GO TO THIS AGENDA ITEM NOW, OR WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS AS WELL. SO I THINK WE CAN TABLE THIS ONE NOW AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE REVIEW OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE FULL BOARD. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CHRIS GONZALEZ. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, YOU GUYS. SO, I KNOW THIS SEEMS SUPER FORMAL, ESPECIALLY FOR YOU GUYS THAT HAVE DONE THIS, UH, IN PREVIOUS CODE CYCLES. UM, BUT WE HAVE THE SETTING SO WE CAN BROADCAST THE, THESE MEETINGS AND RECORD THEM, BUT WE ARE, WE'RE STILL KEEPING IT, UM, VERY, VERY OPEN AND INFORMAL. UH, I'LL BE YOUR MC TODAY, BUT WE HAVE MANY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. UH, MANY SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN THE ROOM. SORRY, THIS IS LIKE REALLY LOUD. UM, UH, JASMINE WELLING HERE. SHE'S HELPING RUN THE PRESENTATION AND LOOKING UP CODE SECTIONS, BUT ALSO SUPERVISES OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDING TEAMS. OF COURSE, RAMIRO CARILLO MANAGER OVER INSPECTIONS GROUP. ROLAND RESENDEZ, CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR, FLORENCE DIAZ MANAGER OVER OUR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL REVIEWERS. JASON GRAY IS NOT GONNA GET AWAY. FORMER CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR NOW PROJECT MANAGER [00:05:01] IN OUR PLAN REVIEW AREA. SO LOTS OF SUB SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS FROM STAFF, UH, PRESENT, INCLUDING, INCLUDING JEREMY. HE ALREADY INTRODUCED HIMSELF, BUT ALSO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. UM, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, TO ALL OF OUR STAFF FOR ANY COLLABORATION. UM, TO GET STARTED, YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE A SPREADSHEET THAT INCLUDES THE ITEM NUMBER WE'RE DISCUSSING. SOMETIMES THAT'S EASIER TO REFERENCE THE THAN THE WHOLE SECTION NUMBER. UH, WE PROVIDED PAGE NUMBERS FOR YOU GUYS. UH, THIS TIME THE TITLE OF THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S TO KEEP A CURRENT AMENDMENT, PROPOSE A NEW AMENDMENT ADOPT AS WRITTEN. UM, THEN WE HAVE A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGE AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED IF IT'S A LIFE SAFETY ITEM AND A POTENTIAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION COST INCREASE. ALL THE PAGE NUMBERS MAY NOT BE ON, UH, ON YOUR COPY, BUT THEY ARE UPDATED ON THE SCREEN THERE FOR YOU GUYS, JUST A LITTLE, MAYBE A LITTLE QUICKER IF YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE BOOK, UH, OR THOSE FOLLOWING US ALONG AT HOME. SO WE'LL GET STARTED. UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET STARTED? UM, FOR THE BUILDING CODE, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED CHAPTERS TWO THROUGH 35. SO WE KIND OF WRITE OUR OWN CHAPTER ONE, UM, THAT COVERS ALL THE CODES AND WE'VE ADOPTED APPENDIX H. SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE MAINLY FOCUSED ON TODAY, OR THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON FOR THE BUILDING CODE. SO THE FIRST ONE IS OUR CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT. UH, THIS IS OUR VERSION OF CHAPTER ONE. UH, WE'RE JUST PUTTING THIS IN HERE TO GET STARTED REALLY EASY. WE, WE PLAN TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT, OR OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT, UPDATE THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO INCLUDE EOCS IS THIS REFERENCES THAT TWO COPIES SHALL BE SUBMITTED AND WE'VE MOVED TO, UH, E VERSIONS OF, UH, OUR SUBMITTALS. AND THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, LESS SOPHISTICATED TO BRING DOWN PAPER DOCS AND TURN 'EM IN. ARE YOU USING YOUR MIC MARK? I WAS. OKAY, I'M GONNA HOLD IT. THEY CAN STILL BRING PAPER COPIES OF WHATEVER THEY'RE SUBMITTING. I AM GONNA SAY NO, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SCAN FOR THEM, IF IT'S A HAND DRAWING, BUT ANYTHING THAT'S A DIGITAL COPY, A DIGITAL PRINT, UM, EXISTS IN A FORMAT THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED ONLINE. AND ARE Y'ALL HAVING ANY PROBLEM WITH LIKE THE HOMEOWNERS WHO COME DOWN AND DO THAT? HAVING TO SUBMIT EIG E DOCUMENTS WITH THE NEW SYSTEM? SO WITH THE, UM, IN FLORENCE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME AND IF I'M WRONG, AND THIS IS JASMINE WELLING PLAN REVIEW, I'M NOT THAT TALL, SORRY. MARK , YOU CAN SEE ME. UM, IF, IF THERE IS LIKE CRYSTAL SAID, THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS, AND, AND YES, IT'LL COME WITH THE HOMEOWNERS IF THEY COME WITH, UH, PAPER COPIES, UM, DEPENDING ON THE, THE NUMBER OF SHEETS THEY HAVE, WE'LL SCAN THEM FOR THEM INTO P D F FORM. THAT WAY WE CAN UPLOAD AND FACILITATE THAT WAY. AND DOES THE, IT DOES THE SECTION WE'RE ADDING SAY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE BY EOC ONLY, OR, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING FOR. UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE IT TO WHEN YOU'RE DONE? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO INSTEAD OF BEING PERMITTED THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED. UM, YEAH. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE, UH, THE, THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE MOVED WITH THE NEW SYSTEM, YOU'RE GONNA STRIKE THIS FIRST SENTENCE. CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SHALL BE DIMENSION AND DRAWN UPON SOONER MATERIAL THAT'S GONNA BE RE STRUCK FROM THIS PARAGRAPH. YES. ANYBODY DOWN THERE HAVE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THIS? REALLY, IT'S JUST WE FEEL IT'S CLARIFICATION TO THE EXPECTATION THAT, THAT THEY'RE, UH, DIGITAL COPIES, DIGITAL SUBMITTALS. THANK YOU. WAY TO START OFF EASY. I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD ONE. SO YOU'RE INVESTIGATING? YES. AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE PR UH, DRAWN UPON SUITABLE MATERIAL. UM, SO JUST THE, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T PUT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN HERE, BUT THE CONCEPT IS, IS THAT WE WOULD UPDATE IT TO, UH, TO MOVE TOWARDS THE, UM, ELECTRONIC SUBMITTALS ONLY, EVEN THOUGH OF COURSE WE HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES WHEN THE SYSTEM GOES DOWN. RIGHT. WE MOVE TO PAPER, PAPER APPLICATIONS IN THE LOBBY JUST TO KEEP THINGS MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS, [00:10:01] BUT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, SO WE'LL UPDATE OUR CHAPTER 10 10 DASH 11 EIGHT. WHERE ARE WE THERE? UM, SO WE'LL ADD NEW, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR TYPE FOUR INSPECTIONS. WE ARE MOVING TO THAT AMENDMENT SECTION NOW, WHAT WOULD BE AN APPLICATION OF THIS WHERE THERE'S WOOD OVER SOMETHING THAT GETS ANOTHER COVERING ON TOP OF IT? UM, TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION IS THE MASS TIMBER. UH, THERE ARE OTHER, UM, OTHER ITEMS IN THERE. THEY'VE EXPANDED THAT TYPE FOUR TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, BUT THAT'S, UH, BASICALLY MASS TIMBER. SO IT HAS TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UH, DIMENSIONS FOR MASS TIMBER, UH, TO BE CLASSIFIED AS TYPE FOUR. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HOLD UP THE WHOLE INSPECTION PROCESS BY HAVING TO HAVE SOMEONE COME BACK OUT. IT SHOULD BE JUST PART OF THE FRAMING INSPECTION, CORRECT? CORRECT. BUT IT'S A NEW SECTION, UM, IN CHAPTER ONE OF THE BUILDING CODE. SO WE WANNA, UH, DUPLICATE THAT IN OUR 10 DASH 11. SO WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO DUPLICATE THAT. UM, I B C SECTION ONE, 10.3 0.5, 10, 11 SUB EIGHT RIGHT NOW IS LATHE AND GYPSUM BOARD INSPECTION. SO WE'RE GONNA INSERT THIS SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THERE. WHAT'S THE YES, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WE'RE GONNA DUPLICATE THE LANGUAGE FROM I BBC ONE, 10.3 0.5, TAKE IT IN THERE AS EIGHT, AND THEN CURRENT EIGHT BECOMES NINE, ET CETERA. YES. YOU, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENT OR CONCERN ON THAT ONE? WE CAN MOVE ON. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. OKAY, NEXT ITEM. UM, THIS IS I B C SECTION ONE, 16.5. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO UPDATE OUR CURRENT CHAPTER 10 TO INCLUDE, UH, THIS CHANGED LANGUAGE FOR RESTORATION AND ABATEMENT. PRETTY MINOR, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO IDENTIFY THE CHANGES THAT WERE PROPOSING FOR CHAPTER 10. IT'LL GO RIGHT THERE, UM, AT 10 DASH 17 E AND THE RESTORATION, AGAIN, JUST UPDATING TO, UH, THE 2021 LANGUAGE. I SHOULD ASK, DO YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR BOOKS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO READ OUT THIS SECTION? WE CAN BRING IT UP ON, OKAY. SOME BOOKS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? JUST GIVE A SECOND. I WANNA READ THE TWO AND COMPARE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE CHANGING HERE. I, CHRIS, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO ON THIS SECTION HERE, LET'S SAY IT'S DAMAGED BY FIRE AND IT'S UNSAFE. THIS SAYS THE OWNER SHALL REPAIR, REHABILITATE, DEMOLISH OR OTHER APPROVED CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. SHOULD WE ADD SOMETHING IN THERE THAT TALKING ABOUT SECURING IT UNTIL ONE OF THOSE NEEDS TO BE DONE? OR IS THAT SOMEPLACE ELSE? IS THAT SOMEPLACE ELSE? ? UH, PROBABLY IN CHAPTER SIX, UH, OF THE, UM, OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, CHAPTER SIX [00:15:01] OF THE CITY CODE ARE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. YES. THE DEMOLITION CODE, CORRECT. WILLIAM, JACK, JOE? NO. ALL RIGHT. ITEM FOUR, PLEASE. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH UPDATING THAT. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO THE DEFINITIONS FOR AMBULATORY CARE. SO WE'VE ADDED DIALYSIS UNDER AMBULATORY CARE. THIS IS OUR CURRENT 2018 AMENDMENT. SO THE DEFINITION STATES, BUILDINGS, OR PORTIONS THEREOF USED TO PROVIDE MEDICAL, SURGICAL, PSYCHIATRIC NURSING. WE'VE ADDED DIALYSIS OR SIMILAR CARE ON A LESS THAN 24 HOUR BASIS. SO THIS WAS JUST, UH, AN EFFORT TO CLARIFY THAT WE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO CONSIDERS DIALYSIS TO BE AMBULATORY CARE INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT VAGUE AS SIMILAR USES SIMILAR CARE. I SEEM TO REMEMBER WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AT SOME POINT LAST CYCLE OR TWO CYCLES AGO. I MEAN, I, IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. THERE WERE SOME GOOD PARTS. I COULDN'T REME REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT ADDING THIS OR KEEPING THIS AMENDMENT? NO, I DON'T. BUT IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU, YOU'RE JUST, IT, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT YOU'VE, YOU'VE JUST STILL HAVE SIMILAR CARE, SO IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU JUST HAVE ANOTHER VAGUE THING OUT THERE. SO IT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SPURRED THAT TO BE ADDED, BUT WHATEVER SEEMS TO BE FINE. ISN'T DIALYSIS ALREADY IN THE 2018 AMENDMENTS? IT IS, YES. IT'S OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP. WILLIAM, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT SAME CONVERSATION? I DO. RIGHT? I I DO REMEMBER WE WENT ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION THAT, THAT WE THINK THAT SIMILAR CARE TO JACK'S POINT MEANS DIALYSIS TO ELIMINATE CONFUSION. OKAY. SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE KEEPING THAT IN. ALRIGHT, GOOD. ITEM FIVE. ALRIGHT, SO FOUR, WE WILL KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. NUMBER FIVE IS A CHANGE TO THE 2021. THE DEFINITION OF ATRIUM. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THIS OUT. THE DEFINITION HAS CHANGED. SO IT STATES THAT A VERTICAL SPACE THAT'S CLOSED AT THE TOP AND CONNECTING TWO OR MORE STORIES FOR GROUP I, ONE AND I THREE OCCUPANCIES AND THREE OR MORE STORIES, UH, IN ALL OTHER OCCUPANCIES IS CONSIDERED AN ATRIUM. IS DEFINED AS AN ATRIUM, WAS THE PREVIOUS DEFINITION. DEFINITION PREVIOUSLY STATED AN OPENING, CONNECTING TWO OR MORE STORIES. I WAS READY FOR YOU. I WASN'T READY. I SHOULD HAVE READ. ALRIGHT, ANY CONCERN ON THAT ONE? SEEMS LIKE JUST A CLARIFICATION. IT'S ACTUALLY A EXPANSION, UM, OF THE DEFINITION OF ATRIUM, WHICH WE AGREE WITH. UH, WE HAVE NO, NO ISSUES, NO HEARTBURN OVER THAT CHANGE AND PROPOSE TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. AGAIN, JUST THE DEFINITION. WE'LL GO INTO THE CHANGES OF THE, UH, ATRIUM SECTION IN CHAPTER FOUR. OKAY. SO CRYSTAL, CAN YOU JUST REAL QUICK ONE MORE TIME EXPLAIN WHAT GOT ADDED? SO THE DEFINITION WAS PREVIOUSLY STATING THAT AN ATRIUM WAS AN OPENING, CONNECTING TWO OR MORE STORIES. SO NOW IT'S DEFINED AS CONNECTING THREE OR MORE STORIES. SO EXCEPT IN GROUP I ONE AND I THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. WE CAN GO TO TO SIX. OKAY. NUMBER SIX. SUPER EASY. THEY JUST ADDED A DEFINITION OF PUZZLE ROOM. WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THERE HASN'T BEEN A DEFINITION. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT A PUZZLE ROOM IS, THESE ESCAPE ROOMS AND THEY'VE JUST ADDED THE DEFINITION. UM, AND THAT'LL KIND OF TIE INTO SOME CHANGES THEY MADE IN CHAPTER FOUR. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER SIX. YEAH, SOUNDS GOOD. UH, SEVEN PLEASE. SO HERE WE ARE AT ATRIUMS ALREADY 4 0, 4 POINT 10. SO THIS IS, UH, CHANGES IN A NEW I NEW SECTION. SO THESE REQUIREMENTS, NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR FRONT WHEN AN ATRIUM CONTAINS AN INTERIOR EXIT [00:20:01] STAIR. UM, AND READING THROUGH THIS SECTION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CALLING THE ATRIUM THE ENCLOSURE FOR THE STAIRS. SO THEY'VE IDENTIFIED WHERE YOU START THE MEASUREMENT, UM, FOR TRAVEL DISTANCE AND SOME OTHER ITEMS. SO IS THIS NEW BECAUSE THEY'VE ADDED REQUIREMENTS OR IS THIS NEW BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF ATRIUM? I THINK THIS IS NEW IN THAT THEY'RE ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE THE STAIR IN THE ATRIUM NOW, WHICH WAS NOT PERMITTED BEFORE. I, THIS IS JOELLE. SO THE DOOR CAN EXIT INTO THE ATRIUM. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IN A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT THAT HAS THREE STORIES, THAT HAS A ROOF ABOVE IT, BUT IS OPEN ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK, IS THAT AN ATRIUM? WELL, ACCORDING TO THIS, IT WOULD BE, I THINK THE MORE APPROPRIATE DEFINITION WOULD BE AN EXTERIOR EXIT STAIR, WHICH HAS ITS OWN REQUIREMENTS AND DEFINITION, RIGHT? . BUT, BUT THE WAY THIS READS IS YOU COULD BE BOTH BECAUSE THE, IT'S A VERTICAL SPACE THAT'S CONNECTED IT THAT IS CLOSED ON THE TOP. SO THAT WOULD BE A ROOF CONNECTING TWO OR MORE STORIES SO THAT IT HAS A LANDING THAT GOES FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. WELL, IT'S THREE OR MORE STORIES FOR AN APARTMENT IN OUR TWO OCCUPANCY. RIGHT? BUT, BUT ON A THREE STORY APARTMENT THAT WOULD TRIGGER THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE INTENT. NO. AGAIN, I BELIEVE THE, I BELIEVE THE, AND CORRECT ME I'M WRONG, UH, THE EXTERIOR EXIT STAIR PROVISIONS WOULD PREVAIL BECAUSE IT'S MORE APPLICABLE THAN A DEFINED ATRIUM. SO CAN WE ADD SOMETHING TO THE DEFINITION THAT EXCLUDES SO THAT YOU DON'T GET TRAPPED BY TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF REQUIREMENTS? SO WE, IS THAT, IS THERE CONFLICT THERE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CONFLICT IS. SO THE DEFINITION OF ATRIUM HASN'T CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY. IT PREVIOUSLY SAID AN OPENING, CONNECTING TWO OR MORE STORIES. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO THROW THE ATRIUM REQUIREMENTS AT AN EXTERIOR EXIT STAIR. UM, I, I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE ANY OF US HAVE EVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT CONSIDERING A STAIR, AN ATRIUM. AN ATRIUM. UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE IT TELLS US NOT TO, BUT WE, WE DON'T CURRENTLY, BEFORE YOU MENTIONED IT, MARK, I'VE HONESTLY NEVER EVER EVEN CONSIDERED THAT A SLIGHT POSSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S GIVING SOME REQUIREMENTS IN THE NEW THING WHERE IT SAYS YOU COULD ONLY HAVE AN EXIT TO THE TWO BOTTOM STAIRS WITHOUT PUTTING IN SOME SMOKE CONTROL KIND OF. SO IF Y'ALL WILL JUST LOOK, IF WE CAN JUST PAUSE ON THAT ONE WHILE Y'ALL THINK ABOUT IT. SO YOU WANNA, UM, TABLE FIVE AND SEVEN DEFINITION AND THIS, UH, 4 0 4 10? NO, I THINK THAT SOMEHOW WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T TRIGGER BOTH REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE ON A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT, THE THIRD DOOR IS GONNA GO, THE THIRD STORY IS GONNA HAVE A DOOR FROM THE APARTMENT OUT TO WHAT IS NOW CONSIDERED AN ATRIUM. AND THEN IT TRIGGERS THIS NEW REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE [00:25:01] SMOKE CONTROL SYSTEM, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT. WELL, WELL HERE'S THE THING. IT IT'S NOT NOW CONSIDERED AN ATRIUM. IT'S NOT AN ATRIUM NOW IT'S NEVER BEEN CONSIDERED AN ATRIUM. IF IT WAS TWO STORIES WHEN THE A ATRIUM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IN 2018, UM, THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR ATRIUM AND A SECTION FOR ATRIUM AND, AND A TWO STORY, UH, OPENING THE END OF THE CORRIDOR WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AN ATRIUM. THEN I'M OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT I, I THINK THE CONCERN IS ADDRESSED IN ITEM THREE OF 4 0 4 POINT WHERE SPECIFICALLY REFERS YOU TO SECTION 10 23 0.2, WHICH IS AN EXIT STAIRWAY ENCLOSURE. IF IT WANTED TO CALL IT, UH, CALL YOUR STAIR AN ATRIUM, IT WOULD'VE REFERRED TO SECTION 10 27, WHICH IS EXTERIOR EXIT STAIRS. PERFECT, THANK YOU. SO WILLIAM, AS A FIRE PROTECTION PROFESSIONAL DOES, NOW THAT WE HAVE, BEFORE YOU COULDN'T HAVE A STAIRWAY RUN THROUGH THE A, THE ATRIUM THAT LED TO AN EMERGENCY EXIT OR, OR AN EGRESS NOW THAT WE CAN, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT IS A LESS SAFE APPLICATION OR NOT SIGNIFICANTLY OR IT DEPENDS. I HAVEN'T DIGESTED IT YET, BUT UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CODE WRITERS FELT THAT IT WAS A, A SAFE CONDITION. SO WE'RE COM IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE COMFORTABLE APPROVING THIS ONE AS AS PRESENTED. OKAY. JACK, JOE? SAME. MARK. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SEVEN'S GOOD. MOVE TO EIGHT PLEASE. OKAY, NUMBER EIGHT. UM, SECTION 4 0 6, 6 0.4. UH, NEW SECTION FOR MECHANICAL ACCESS, ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGES. SO I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD ONE OF THESE PROPOSED IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT IT NEVER CAME. IT NEVER HAPPENED. UH, THIS IS JUST WHERE YOU LEAVE YOUR CAR AND IT PARKS IT FOR YOU. YOU COME BACK AND WAIT FOR IT. THIS IS JUST, UM, IDENTIFYING THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR SEPARATION SMOKE CONTROL IN THESE USES WHERE PUBLIC OCCUPANCY IS PROHIBITED. WHAT IS A MECHANICAL ACCESS ENCLOSED GARAGE? AGAIN, YOU SAID THAT LIKE IT AUTOMATICALLY DELIVERS YOUR CAR. IT'S LIKE THE CAR. YES. SO YOU, UM, THE VALET PARKS YOUR CAR AND IT MOVES IT TO A PARKING SPOT AND HAS A NEW, IT'S LIKE A, A FERRIS WHEEL. THESE ARE BIG IN EUROPE, UM, JUST SO THEY SAVE ON SPACE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE HUMAN AIR INVOLVED. CRYSTAL, THEY ALSO DID INCLUDE A DEFINITION THIS IN THE 2021 FOR THE MECHANICAL ACCESS CLOSED PARKING GARAGE. WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE A GARAGE AND YOU INSTALL LIKE A ONE STORY LEFT OVER THE PARKING SPACE? NO. 'CAUSE THAT, UM, THIS IS WHERE OCCUPANCY IN THE GARAGE IS PROHIBITED, RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHERE IT'S NOT INTENDED, UH, FOR ANY OCCUPANCY OTHER THAN, UM, ONLY THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE, UH, TO THE VEHICLE. SO THAT, THANKS FLORENCE FOR POINTING THAT OUT. THAT THE DEFINITION SPECIFICALLY STATES AN ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGE THAT EMPLOYS PARKING MACHINES, LISTS, ELEVATORS AND OTHER MECHANICAL DEVICES FOR VEHICLE MOVING FROM, FROM AND TO STREET LEVEL. AND IN WHICH PUBLIC OCCUPANCY IN THE GARAGE IS PROHIBITED IN ALL AREAS EXCEPT THE VEHICLE ACCESS BAY. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THIS SECTION SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATION BETWEEN THIS MECHANICAL GARAGE AND ANY OTHER OCCUPANCY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE PROVISIONS FOR SMOKE REMOVAL, FIRE CONTROL, EQUIPMENT ROOM, SEPARATE EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN SHIFT, EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN SWITCH, AND FIRE ACCESS. SO BASICALLY THEY'RE TRYING TO SILO THIS STRUCTURE SO THAT IF A FIRE BREAKS OUT IT DOESN'T WITHOUT SOME INTERFERENCE, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT. I MEAN THAT SEEMS ANY OBJECTION TO THIS FROM ANYBODY. IS IT, IS IT MORE INTENDED FOR SOMETHING WITH OCCUPANCY? IS THAT WHAT THE IDEA HERE IS FOR ACCESS? SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW? NOW? I MEAN I HAVEN'T SEEN, I MEAN WE HAVE THAT, WHAT IS IT CALLED? CARVANA OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE OCCUPANCY AS PART OF THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE OCCUPANCY. BUT THIS IS KINDA LIKE A NEW, THIS IS A NEW, UH, A NEW CONCEPT THAT, THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE HAVEN'T SEEN HERE YET. IS IT SOMEWHERE ELSE? ANOTHER CITY OR SOMETHING OTHER COUNTRIES FOR [00:30:01] SURE. OTHER COUNTRIES. WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED HERE, WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND IT'S, UH, MORE PREVALENT IN EUROPE, SO WE'RE JUST GETTING READY FOR SOMETHING. IT MUST BE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY AS UM, I'M SURE THAT'S WHY IT CAME INTO THE SECTION FOR, UH, UNDER GARAGES, RIGHT? MOTOR VEHICLE RELATED OCCUPANCIES. SO WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, ITEMS FOR PARKING GARAGES IN THIS SECTION AND THIS IS JUST A, A NEW CONCEPT THAT, THAT THE CODE IS PROBABLY CATCHING UP TO. I'M SURE IT'S BEEN DONE OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY. SO WE'RE JUST GETTING READY FOR IT. WE'RE GETTING READY FOR IT. OKAY. JUST VERY FUTURISTIC. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN. OKAY. , I MAY NOT BE HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SO THAT'S OKAY. GO FOR IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I MIGHT RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS ONE AND REQUEST THE PRESENCE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO REVIEW THIS. UH, SINCE THE PRIMARY ISSUE HERE WILL BE, UH, ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION FIREFIGHTING OPERATIONS WITH EVERYTHING THEY'VE THROWN AT IT, BUT, UM, SINCE THEY'RE THE END USER AT THIS POINT, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE, I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, CRYSTAL, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU HAD FIRE DEPARTMENT IN INPUT ON THIS AND, AND WILLIAM, WOULD YOU BE SATISFIED WITH STAFF JUST COMING BACK SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID, OR ARE YOU REQUESTING TO HAVE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY HERE TO CHAT WITH US? THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET. THAT'S A GREAT POINT. WE DO HAVE SOME ITEMS ON OUR, UM, AGENDA OR ON OUR LIST THAT WE, UM, THAT WE KIND OF KICK TO THE, TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE IN THE BUILDING CODE. THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, DUPLICATION BETWEEN THE BUILDING CODE AND FIRE CODE. UM, BUT SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS BEING UNDER THEIR PURVIEW. UH, SO WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT AND IF THEY WANNA BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSS WHEN WE, UM, DISCUSS THE FIRE CODE, WE CAN DO THAT OR LET YOU GUYS KNOW IF THEY SAID, YEAH, THAT'S, EVERYTHING'S GOOD. I THINK THAT SOUNDS GOOD. SO WE'LL TABLE EIGHT AND MOVE TO NINE. OKAY, NUMBER NINE IS A NEW SECTION FOR 4 0 7 3 1 1 AND THIS IS DOORS FOR GROUP I TWO. SO THOSE ARE OUR HOSPITALS. SO THESE ARE JUST PRO PROVISIONS REQUIRED FOR DOORS AND CORRIDORS. EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT RATED, THEY HAVE TO BE, UH, TIGHT FITTING. THIS AN EXCEPTIONALLY DUMB QUESTION. WHAT IS A DUTCH STYLE DOOR? YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH? SO HOSPITAL APPLICATION. YES. THIS IS UNDER THE, UM, HOSPITAL SECTION SPECIFICALLY DOOR IN A HOSPITAL CORRIDOR DOOR. TIGHT, TIGHT FITTING SEEMS TO BE AT ODDS WITH THREE, WHICH SAYS THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE CLEARANCE AT THE BOTTOM AND IT DOES SAY COMPLY WITH THE THE FOLLOWING. SO IT WOULD BE ALL THREE OF THOSE. SO I'LL ASK THE INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, DO YOU HAVE A, LIKE HOW WOULD YOU INTERPRET TIGHT FITTING QUOTE UNQUOTE IN THIS? DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER SOMETHING COMPLIES WITH THIS MANAGER? DUTCH STYLE DOOR IS THE TAPE THAT HAS THE DOOR. CAN YOU HAVE THE DOOR SWINGS AND THE CAN, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR GUESTS ON THE INTERWEBS WHOLE IDEA JASON GRAY PROJECT MANAGER, A DUTCH STYLE DOOR IS THE TOP DOOR SWINGS AND THE BOTTOM DOOR SWINGS INDEPENDENTLY AND YOU CAN CONNECT THEM TO BE ONE SOLID DOOR. IT'S NOT LIKE THE RESTAURANT STYLE DOORS THAT SWING BOTH DIRECTIONS AT A BARN BAR. [00:35:01] YES. YEAH, JUST, JUST STOP THE SO YOU'RE SAYING WHAT WE SAID WHERE THEY SWING BOTH WAYS ON THE HITCH, THAT'S NOT A DUTCH STYLE DOOR. DUTCH STYLE DOOR IS SPLIT HORIZONTALLY. YES. DUTCH STYLE DOOR SPLIT HORIZONTALLY. THEY BOTH OPEN LOCK AND OPEN AND THE BOTTOM STAY CLOSED. RIGHT. FOR THE PHARMACY AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YEAH. KEEPS PEOPLE OUT AND LETS THE PEOPLE INSIDE HAVE A WINDOW INTO THE HOME. YEAH. OKAY. SO CRYSTAL, IN YOUR READING OF THIS, THANK YOU. I DON'T READ IT AS ALL THREE HAVE TO COMPLY. IT'S, IT'S IF YOU HAVE A SOLID DOOR, IT NEEDS TO DO THE, IS THAT YES, THAT THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. IT, FOR EACH DOOR TYPE IT DOES SAY SOLID DOORS AND THEN SPECIFICALLY DUTCH STYLE DOORS. YOUR RIGHT MARK. SO WHAT IF HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE A SOLID DOOR THAT IS ONE OF THOSE RESTAURANT STYLE DOORS AND YOU CAN'T HAVE A HEAD AND A JAM STOPS BECAUSE THEN THE DOOR WON'T SWING. WE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC APPLICATION IN I TWO OCCUPANCIES THAT DON'T HAVE A RATED CORRIDOR SYSTEM, WHICH ARE PROBABLY FAR AND FEW BETWEEN A HOSPITAL CORRIDOR, BUT MOST OF THOSE ARE RATED UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, JUST TRYING TO DEFINE THROUGH THE LANGUAGE WHAT THIS MIGHT BE IF IT'S NOT A FIRE RATED OR THEY STILL WANT IT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SMOKE RESISTANT CAPABILITY SO THAT THERE'S LESS ACCESS FOR SMOKE OR FIRE TO GET THROUGH. SO THEY WANT A DUTCH STYLE DOOR TO BE ABLE TO CLOSE COMPLETELY TOGETHER AND OPEN COMPLETELY TOGETHER, BE RELATIVELY TIGHT FITTING TO MINIMIZE, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER FLAME OR SMOKE, YOU KNOW, PENETRATING THROUGH IT AND IT SAVES THE EXPENSE OF EVERY DOOR IN THE CORRIDOR HAVING TO BE FIRE RATED. THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT, UM, HAS ZERO ZERO TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE AS, AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, BUT THIS IS MY GUESS OF WHAT THIS MEANS. UH, YOU'RE, SOMEBODY WOULD RUN UP. IT COULD BE THAT WAY OR, OR JUST THAT IT'S NATURAL STATE OF BEING IS IS TO BE CLOSE FITTING AND WHEN IT'S OPEN AND OPERATING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN OPEN IT UP, BUT THEN IF YOU HAVE TO LEAVE OR IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, CLOSE IT. AND THAT JUST MIGHT MINIMIZE THE TRAVEL OF SMOKE. INFL, INFLAME CRYSTAL, THE, UH, I C C PUBLISHES THEIR, UH, CODE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT ON TO AND DISCUSSED REGARDING THIS TOPIC. UH, DO WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION FOR ONE OF OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS? WE DO. WE DO HAVE THAT. UM, AND ALSO WE HAVE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, SO IT DOES TALK ABOUT THOSE CORRIDORS, UH, BEING RELATIVELY SMOKE-FREE ENVIRONMENT. UM, IS PART OF THAT REASON FOR THE CHANGE. AGREE. WE SHOULD CON CONTACT THE NOTES AND I, AND I THINK IF I'M RIGHT ON THAT, I, I'D GET LIKE A GOLD STAR STICKER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR GUESSING CORRECTLY DONE. YES. WE CAN ARRANGE THAT GOLD STAR FOR MIKE. THE CHAIR SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE OXYMORON WHERE AT THE BOTTOM THEY SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE LOUVERS OR A GAP IN THE BOTTOM, BUT IT HAS TO BE TIGHT FITTING AND WELL, IT'S FOR THE SMOKE. NO. RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS TO MINIMIZE COST OF TRYING TO REDUCE THE FLAME AND ALSO THAT SECTION ABOUT THE LOUVERS IS IF ONLY IF THAT DOOR IS NEEDED FOR, UM, AIR, WHAT IS IT FOR AIR, MAKEUP, AIR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN THAT'S ALLOWED. UH, AND IF THAT'S NOT IN THE AIR CALCULATIONS, THEN IT, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED WOULD IS WAY I WOULD SEE THAT. BUT AGAIN, IS THIS A, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO WILLIAM'S POINT EARLIER, THE CODE COMMITTEE PROBABLY REVIEWED THIS AT LENGTH AND THERE'S A REASON THEY MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION ON THE FACE OF IT. THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE, TO ME ANY REASON NOT TO ADOPT IT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS AD SIGNIFICANT COST, I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION OR CONSTRUCTORS HAVE ANY OPINION ON THIS, BUT, [00:40:01] UM, I MEAN I THINK THE TWO CHOICES, EITHER WE ASK FOR THE MINUTES OR, YOU KNOW, FROM THE I C C TO WILLIAMS POINT AND SEE WHAT THEIR, THE PURPOSE IS HERE OR WE, WE, WE TRUST THEIR INTENT AND, AND DON'T SEE ANYT PROBLEM WITH ADOPTING AND, AND MOVE FORWARD. CURIOUS TO HEAR ANYBODY'S OPINION SHALL RECEIVE. HERE'S THE REASON STATEMENT FOR FROM THE PROPONENT OF THIS CODE SECTION. WE CAN UPDATE THAT BASED ON THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION THAT I'LL JUST, I GUESS AT THE NEXT MEETING I'LL COLLECT MY, MY GOLD STAR. YOU GOOD WITH? ARE WE GOOD WITH EIGHT? ALL KIDDING ASIDE? MM-HMM. , THANK YOU FOR QUICKLY RECOVERING THOSE NOTES. I THINK THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO NINE PLEASE. I AM SORRY. NO, 10. ALRIGHT, SO NINE, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND 10, UM, THIS IS ALSO AN I TWO CARE SUITE. THIS IS A CHANGE TO 4 0 7 4 4 3. ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I MEAN, THIS ONLY BE A NEW FACILITY CORRECT. OR SOMETHING THAT IS DAMAGED BEYOND 50% OR, UH, RENOVATIONS. YEAH, BEYOND 50%. THAT WOULD REQUIRE, THAT WOULD THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE WOULD KICK YOU BACK TO NEW BUILDING CODE STANDARDS BUT DID NOT RETROACTIVE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. THIS WOULD BE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR SIGNIFICANTLY RENOVATED. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH ADOPT AS WRITTEN? I THINK WILLIAM'S STILL RESEARCHING, SO YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. JOE, JACK? WE'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO, UH, 11, PLEASE. OKAY, 11. THIS IS A NEW SECTION FOR THE ACTIVATION OF AUTOMATIC CLOSING DOORS. SO WE'RE STILL IN I TWO OCCUPANCY. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR THOSE USES. SO THIS NEW SECTION STATES THAT THOSE AUTOMATIC CLOSING DOORS ON HOLD OPEN DEVICES SHALL CLOSE UPON ACTIVATION OF A FIRE ALARM, A SPRINKLER OR BOTH. PREVIOUSLY IT ONLY REQUIRED, UM, ACTIVATION ON LOSS OF POWER OR DETECTION OF SMOKE. PREVIOUSLY IT ONLY REQUIRED WHAT? I'M SORRY. UM, THOSE, THE ACTIVATION OF THE AUTOMATIC CLOSING DOORS, IF THERE WAS A LOSS OF POWER OR DETECTION OF SMOKE, THIS ADDS FIRE ALARM OR SPRINKLER? YES. OKAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A FIRE IN THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO EVACUATE THE BUILDING AND THERE'S ONE OF THESE DOORS THAT THEY HAVE ON HOLD OPEN TO GET THE PATIENTS OUT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CLOSES WHEN SOMETHING ACTIVATES SOMEWHERE IN THE BUILDING? YOU STILL, IT CAN STILL OPEN. YOU STILL, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HAVE A PUSH BUTTON THERE THAT OPENS IT FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE A, A GURNEY OR A WHEELCHAIR OR IT'LL HAVE THE HARDWARE PANIC HARDWARE TO OPEN, OPEN THE DOOR. THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT ARE ON HOLD OPEN, UM, THAT WOULD THEN CLOSE TO COMPARTMENTALIZE ANY, UH, INCIDENT HANDICAPPED DOOR THAT YOU PUSH THE BUTTON? WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A HOLD OPEN DOOR, CORRECT? NO, NO, IT'S CLOSED ALL THE TIME. OKAY, [00:45:12] WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO 12. OKAY. 11. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN 12, UH, NEW CHANGES AND UH, NEW REQUIREMENTS TO SECTION FOUR 11 FOR SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREAS. THIS WAS, LET ME CATCH UP. THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY SPECIAL AMUSEMENT BUILDINGS. SO THEY CHANGED IT TO SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREAS, REQUIRES THOSE AREAS TO HAVE AUTOMATIC SMOKE DETECTION. PREVIOUSLY IT WAS JUST ALARM SYSTEM. THIS IS WHERE PUZZLE ROOM, EXIT PUZZLE ROOM COMES IN, HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE EXITING, WE WOULD'VE TYPICALLY CONSIDERED A PUZZLE ROOM, THIS SPECIAL AMUSEMENT. UM, ANYWAY, THIS IS OUR HAUNTED HOUSES. THESE ARE OUR, UH, RIPLEY'S MAZES AND MIRRORED HALLWAYS AND THESE SPECIAL AMUSEMENT USES. OKAY, SO BY SP SEPARATING OUT THE PUZZLE ROOMS, THEY MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE TO HAVE A PUZZLE ROOM WITHOUT HAVING TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE REAL STRICT SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREA THINGS THAT MAKE YOUR LIFE EVEN MORE DIFFICULT. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? SINCE A PUZZLE ROOM REALLY IS YOU CAN GET OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE INTENT IS TO TRY NOT TO, I GUESS, CORRECT. I I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY DID THAT TO SAY, UM, THAT, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS SPECIFIC AND IF YOU HAVE A STRIP CENTER, YOU CAN HAVE THIS PUZZLE ROOM, UH, IN ONE OF THE SUITES. DOESN'T MEAN THE WHOLE BUILDING HAS TO COMPLY WITH, UH, SPECIAL AMUSEMENT BUILDING REQUIREMENTS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERN ON THAT? MARK? WILLIAM, JACK, JOE, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, CRYSTAL WOULD LIKE A, UH, PLAY AREA IN A MCDONALD'S, UH, FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY NOW THAT NOW MCDONALD'S IS SUBJECT TO FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS? VOICE EVAC, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS? MAYBE I WOULD NOT SAY WE WOULD CONSIDER, CONSIDER THAT A SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREA. WE DO HAVE THAT SECTION FOR PLAY STRUCTURES, UM, LATER IN CHAPTER FOUR. SO WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT AS A PUZZLE ROOM STILL JUST A, JUST A PLAY, UH, PLAY STRUCTURE, UM, IN AN ASSEMBLY AREA. CRYSTAL, CAN Y'ALL JUST, AND I JUST GO CHECK THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREA AND MAKE SURE THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY ARE NOT INTENDED DON'T GET TRAPPED AT SOME POINT. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SO FAR AHEAD OF US, MARK. THERE'S A, UH, NEW DEFINITION FOR SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREA. WE DIDN'T WANNA BORE YOU GUYS WITH DEFINITIONS, BUT Y'ALL ARE VERY DETAILED. SO A SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREA IS ANY TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT BUILDING OR PORTION THEREOF THAT IS OCCUPIED FOR AMUSEMENT ENTERTAINMENT OR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND IS AN ARRANGED AND IS ARRANGED IN A MANNER THAT ONE MAKES THE EGRESS, MAKES THE MEANS OF EGRESS PATH NOT READILY APPARENT DUE TO VISUAL OR AUDIO DISTRACTIONS. TWO, INTENTIONALLY CONFOUNDS IDENTIFICATION OF THE MEANS OF EGRESS THREE, OTHERWISE MAKES THE MEANS OF EGRESS PATH NOT READILY AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE ATTRACTION OR THE MOD CONVEYANCE THROUGH THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE. AS LONG AS MCDONALD'S OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT DOESN'T PUT A MAZE IN IT, THEY'RE OKAY. YEAH. I THINK THAT IF THE MAZE IS INSIDE THE PLAY STRUCTURE, YEAH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THREE TURNS. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT LOW LIGHTING. UM, NO LIGHTING WE'RE THIS IS HAUNTED HOUSES. THESE ARE THOSE LASER TAG CENTERS. EXACTLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. MOVE ON TO ADOPT IS WRITTEN. MOVE ON TO UH, 13. OKAY. THESE ARE, THIS IS, UM, NEW SECTIONS FOR FOUR 15.6 0.1 THROUGH FOUR, 15.6 0.3. SO THIS ALLOWS THOSE GROUPS H TWO AND H THREE, UM, CERTAIN USES THOSE SIZES TO THOSE CERTAIN USES TO NOT BE LOCATED ON THE OUTER PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING. REMIND ME WHAT GROUP H ONE IS? [00:50:11] SO A GROUP H ONE IS A HIGH HAZARD. THOSE BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES CONTAINING MATERIALS THAT POSE A DETONATION HAZARD. SO TEAM DEFINITELY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT PREVIOUSLY THESE JUST HAD TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR WALL AND NOW IF THEY MEET THESE LIMITATIONS ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SPECIFIC USES, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR WALL. THIS IS JUST ADDS SOME, UH, DESIGN FLEXIBILITY FOR, AGAIN, THESE VERY SPECIFIC USES AND SIZE LIMITATION. IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO GROUP H 1 23 AND FOUR AND FIVE OCCUPANCIES, CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, BUT THOSE ROOMS, SO IT'S SPECIFIC FOR ROOMS WITH FLAMMABLE, COMBUSTIBLE LIQUID USES. AND SO WE SAY THAT THAT'S MORE THE H TWO OR H THREE. SO AGAIN, LIMITED USE. SO THIS QUESTION MIGHT BE MORE FOR WILLIAM, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. THEY WANT THE FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS TO BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO GO IN, THEY'RE NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING BEFORE THEY, UH, UH, COME ACROSS THESE THINGS. IS THAT THE THEORY IN THE PAST? EXCUSE ME. IN THE PAST, UM, CERTAIN OCCUPANCIES WERE REQUIRED TO BE ALONG THE EXTERIOR OF A WALL, NOT DEEP IN A BUILDING. UM, HERE THEY'RE ALLOWING SMALLER ISOLATED AREAS, WHICH I MIGHT ADD ARE REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE AN H AND WILL HAVE, UH, FIRE RESISTIVE CONSTRUCTION MOST LIKELY AROUND THEM. SO, UH, THEY'RE ALLOWING THOSE TO BE NOW OUT IN THE BUILDING AND NOT ALONG AN EXTERIOR WALL, WHICH COULD BE LIKE TOYOTA OR MANUFACTURING FACILITY OR SOMETHING. CORRECT. IT HAS NEEDS ROOM FOR, UM, A SMALL AREA FOR SOME FLAMMABLE COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THIS THEN WE'RE GOOD. WE'RE SEEING THESE USES LIKE IN A WHISKEY UH, DISTILLERY WHERE THEY'RE, THEY'RE WANTING THAT AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED. WE'RE MOVING ON TO 14, LOOKING OUT FOR THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE WORLD. THIS ONE ALSO REFERENCES WHISKEY, UM, AND THE HEADING FROM NOW ON. SO FOR 14, THIS IS A NEW SECTION, UH, FOUR 20.9. SO THIS IS FOR I ONE OCCUPANCIES. LEMME REMIND YOU WHAT AN I ONE IS. SO THOSE GROUP I ONES ALCOHOL AND DRUG CENTERS, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, CONGREGATE CARE FACILITIES, GROUP HOMES, HALFWAY HOMES, RESIDENTIAL BOARD AND CARE FACILITIES, SOCIAL REHABILITATION FACILITIES. OKAY, SO THERE'S SOME REFERENCES TO, [00:55:01] UM, SECTION 5 0 5 OF THE I M C AND SECTION 9 0 4 0.14 I ASSUME OF THE I B C. WHAT ARE, ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS REASONABLE? I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A A A, AN OVEN FOR A GROUP HOME ESSENTIALLY WOULD MORE OR LESS A RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF OCCUPANCY. IS THIS OVER WHAT IS INCLUDED AGAIN IN I ONE WHAT AN I ONE IS? YEAH, SO THOSE ARE THOSE OCCUPANCIES, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE MORE THAN 16 PERSONS. SO THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE STAFF. SO THAT'S, UH, JUST THE, THOSE RESIDENTS SO TO SPEAK, WHO RESIDE ON A 24, ABOUT 24 HOUR BASIS IN A SUPERVISED ENVIRONMENT AND RECEIVE CUSTODIAL CARE. SO THAT COULD BE A NURSING HOME? IT COULD BE, YES. OKAY. SICK AND ELDERLY. SO IT'S BASICALLY WANTS LIKE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN IN THAT FACILITY WITH A TIMER THAT SHUTS OFF COOKING DEVICES. SO I GUESS THEY DON'T LEAVE THEM ON. WELL, IT'S NOT REQUIRED INSIDE DWELLING UNITS. THAT'S THE, THERE'S TWO EXCEPTIONS. TRAINING AREAS AND INSIDE A DWELLING UNIT, THE CARE RECIPIENT'S DWELLING UNIT. SO THIS IS WHEN THEY WANT THOSE DOMESTIC COOKING APPLIANCES. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THE FULL, UM, KITCHEN WITH A TYPE ONE HOOD. SO THE MECHANICAL SECTION CHAPTER FIVE FOR, UM, EXHAUST, RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD BE JUST YOUR REGULAR RANGE HOOD IN LIEU OF A, UM, TYPE ONE HOOD. IF YOU, UH, NOTICE THE SECTION IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT 4 2, 0 0.8 ALLOWS THE COOKING FACILITIES TO BE OPEN TO THE CORRIDOR. SO I THINK THIS IS ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTION, UM, SINCE IT'S UH, IT'S OPEN TO THE RATED CORRIDOR SYSTEM. SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE AS WRITTEN. ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS MAYBE THAT I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT HAVE Y'ALL HAD ANY OUTREACH TO THE NURSING? IS THERE NURSING HOME OR SENIOR ASSISTED LIVING KIND OF PLACES OR MEMORY CARE UNITS OR ANY OF THOSE KIND OF PLACES TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OR ALL? I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I KIND OF HAVE TROUBLE ON IS THAT, IS THE SHUT OFF BEING SOMEWHERE WHERE STAFF ONLY CAN GET TO IT. BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME YOU WANT THAT SOMEWHERE WHERE IT'S IN A, I ASSUME IF THE, THE KITCHEN IS IN A LOCKED DOOR OR IT SAYS STAFF ONLY, WOULD THAT COMPLY? WHY? YEAH. I'M KIND OF CURIOUS IS DOES THIS, IS THIS MORE APPLYING TO LIKE A, SOME OF THESE GROUP HOMES WHERE YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED INTO A GROUP HOME WITH SEVEN? I MEAN, 'CAUSE NO, BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY WILL HAVE LESS THAN 16 PEOPLE. OKAY. SO I MEAN THESE, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU'RE SAYING ALL THESE FACILITIES ALL ARE CLOSED IN KITCHENS, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT UNLESS YOU'RE IN AN INDEPENDENT LIVING TYPE, BUT THAT'S EXCLUDED APPARENTLY FROM THIS. JUST ONE OF THE INTENT CRYSTAL, I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND SHOW THE LANGUAGE IN THE 2018 I B C, BUT UM, ORIGINALLY THE PREVIOUS SECTION IN FRONT TALKING ABOUT COOKING FACILITIES AND THEN COOKING APPLIANCES WAS PRETTY MUCH ALL THERE READY. IT WAS, UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NOW THEY'VE BROKEN 'EM UP, UH, TO TALK ABOUT THE COOKING FACILITY AND THEN BROKE OUT THE COOKING APPLIANCES. BUT I, AT FIRST GLANCE, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL THERE. ALL RIGHT. ALREADY. THEY'VE JUST BROKEN 'EM INTO TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS AND ABSOLUTELY, YEAH, WE CAN BRING UP THAT LANGUAGE. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THIS IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, IT'S MORE OF A RESTRUCTURING THAN ANYTHING. MIGHT BE MORE OF A REFORMATTING, ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T TAKEN A DEEP, DEEP DIVE INTO IT YET. [01:00:19] IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE BOOK WHEN IT HAS THE ARROW WITH THE SECTION THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHEN IT HAS A STAR? THE XERO MEAN THEY JUST REFORMATTED IT. NO, THEY DON'T LET US KNOW WHEN THEY JUST REFORMAT IT. THAT SHOWS AS THAT SOLID LINE. SO THE ASTERISK IS THAT A SECTION HAS BEEN REMOVED, TWO ASTERISKS IS THAT A SECTION HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PLACED HERE. UM, AND THE ARROW IS A DELETION. I SUGGEST WE JUST LEAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME. JOE, JACK, WILLIAM GIVE THAT, BUT JUST LEAVING IT. OKAY. DOCTOR'S WRITTEN. WILLIAM, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SAYING SOMETHING. SORRY, KEEP INTERRUPTING YOU. I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, THIS SAME EXACT SECTION IS BACK IN 4 0 7 0.2 0.7 UNDER I TWO OCCUPANCIES, AND THAT WASN'T CALLED OUT IN THE SPREADSHEET. THANKS WILLIAM. WE PROBABLY DID, UM, THERE RECOGNIZED AS IT WAS JUST, UH, A REFORMATTING AS WE SEE THAT A LOT. WE'VE SEEN THAT A LOT THROUGHOUT THE CO. WE'RE LIKE, OH, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND WE LOOK CLOSER INTO IT AND THEY REWARDED IT OR ADDED SECTIONS. SO, UH, OKAY. UH, KRISTA, I WAS JUST NOTICING I DIDN'T REMEMBER GETTING THIS BOOK. IT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T, AND, UH, IT'S A, IT'S VERY HELPFUL. IT WA IT WAS A MEANS FAULT THAT WASN'T IN MY HEAVY BOX THAT I USED FOR PAPERWEIGHTS. WHICH BOOK IS THAT, JOE? WHERE, WHERE'D YOU GET THE BOOK, MAN? WHERE JOE BOUGHT IT WITH HIS HEART OWN EARNED MONEY. DID YOU GO TO, UH, AMAZON NEED TO ADD THAT TO YOUR BUDGET FOR NEXT TIME? . I, I THINK MIKE AND I THINK MIKE SHANNON'S LISTENING. SO YOU KNOW IT'S RECORDED NOW. I'LL LET HIM KNOW FOR SURE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT HIS WRITTEN 14. SHOULD WE MOVE TO 15? OKAY. 15 SHOULD BE A SLAM DUNK. THEY REALLY TAKEN THAT SAME LANGUAGE WE TALKED ABOUT AND ADDED IT. WE BELIEVE THEY'VE ADDED IT TO AMBULATORY CARE FACILITIES. WE CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE AN AMBULATORY CARE FACILITY WOULD WANT THESE COOKING FACILITIES. UM, BUT HERE IT IS. IF THEY WANT TO HAVE COOKING APPLIANCES IN THEIR AMBULATORY CARE, HERE'S HOW THEY CAN DO THAT. THAT INCLUDE LIKE A BREAK ROOM IF THEY HAVE THEM, IF THEY HAVE THOSE COOKING APPLIANCES, AN OVEN COOKTOP RANGE. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT MICROWAVES. THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO POLICE IF IT WAS INSTALLED AFTER C OF O DON'T ANY REASON TO NOT ADOPT THIS. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH, . ALL RIGHT. SO 15 IS ADOPT AS WRITTEN. LET'S MOVE TO 16 PLEASE. OKAY, ITEM 16 IS PLAY STRUCTURES. SO THEY REVISE THAT FROM CHILDREN'S PLAY STRUCTURES TO JUST CALL THAT PLAY STRUCTURES. THE NEW SECTION REQUIRES THAT INTERIOR FINISHES FOR THOSE STRUCTURES EXCEEDING 600 SQUARE FEET OR 10 FEET IN HEIGHT. HAVE A, UH, MEET THE FLAME SPREAD INDEX REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER EIGHT AND DESIGNED PER CHAPTER 16, WHICH IS, UH, STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS. [01:05:43] ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS SECTION? OKAY, ADOPTERS WRITTEN, WE'LL MOVE ON. WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S, WE'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER AN HOUR. DO WE WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK OR? WE SEEM TO BE MAKING PRETTY GOOD PROGRESS, BUT ANYBODY YEAH, QUICK BIOLOGY BREAK. WELCOME. I'M A BENEVOLENT DICTATOR, JACK. ALL RIGHT, LET'S KEEP GOING THEN. UM, WE'LL MOVE TO 17. OKAY. ITEM 17 IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 5 0 2 0.1 FOR ADDRESS IDENTIFICATION. WE REALIZED THAT IN THE 2018 WE DID NOT MATCH THE FIRE CODE AMENDMENT TO THIS SECTION. SO WE ARE JUST PROPOSING TO, UH, DUPLICATE WHAT THEY HAVE CALLED OUT. UM, LET ME LOOK AT THEIR AMENDMENT. YES, IT'S, UH, THE SIX INCH LETTERS, AND THIS IS JUST THE EXACT LANGUAGE FROM THE I F C AMENDMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO IT, WAS TO DUPLICATE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT IN THE FIRE CODE OR IN THE FIRE CODE AMENDMENTS? SO THE FIRE CODE AMENDMENTS, SAY FOR INDIVIDUAL SUITES, THE SUITE NUMBERS SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCHES. SO THE WHAT THE FIRE CODE AMENDMENTS SAY YES, THAT'S WHAT THE FIRE CODE AMENDMENT SAY. SO IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ADDRESS, WHERE DOES IT TALK ABOUT THAT SIZE? YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS HERE, IT'S JUST, UM, WE OVERLOOK THAT. SO THOSE CHARACTERS SHALL BE THOSE SIX INCHES. YEAH. SO AGAIN, THIS SECTION SHOULD JUST DUPLICATE WHAT THE FIRE CODE IS STATING SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT. THIS IS REALLY INSIGNIFICANT, BUT THERE'S SOME MEASUREMENTS THAT HAVE THE MILLIMETER EQUIVALENT AND SOME DON'T. I MEAN, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF THE EUROPEAN JUNK AND JUST LEAVE IT IN , LEAVE IT IN AMERICAN MEASUREMENTS, OR, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT CONSISTENT. WELL, WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE WE WERE JUST LAZY AND DIDN'T, UH, PUT IT IN MILLIMETERS WHEN WE CHANGED THE MEASUREMENT. OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH ADOPTING THAT OVER. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO 18 PLEASE. OKAY, NUMBER 18, WE HAVE THIS ONE FOR DISCUSSION. SO WE SEE A LOT OF OCCUPIED ROOFS. WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS. IT, IT'S DIFFICULT. WE WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE OCCUPIED ROOF. THERE'S SOME CHANGES TO THE SECTION AND SOME PROPOSALS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED HERE TO MAYBE ALLOW THOSE CANOPIES [01:10:02] OR OTHER ROOFTOP STRUCTURES LIKE A BATHROOM OR A BAR, MAYBE A KITCHEN TO HAVE A CANOPY. I MEAN, CRYSTAL, ONE, ONE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS WHAT DO Y'ALL CARE? HOW MUCH OF IT HAS A COVER OVER? SOMEBODY WANTS TO COVER THE WHOLE THING. ONE ISSUE IS THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. IF IT DOESN'T MATCH THE BUILDING, AND NOW IT COULD BE CALLED A STORY. SO YOU'RE NO LONGER AN OCCUPIED ROOF. NOW YOU'RE A STORY, UM, BECAUSE YOU MEET THE DEFINITION OF STORY AND NOW YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE IT THAT AREA AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE BUILDING RIGHT THE REST OF THE BUILDING. . YEAH. WELL, YEAH. UM, THAT'S SAYING IF THE REST OF THE BUILDING WAS SPRINKLER, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADD SPRINKLERS OR IF YOU'RE A STORY, AND NOW YOU COULD BE EXCEEDING THE ALLOWANCES AND CHAPTER FIVE FOR, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT HEIGHTENED STORY. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE NO, NO, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME DEFINITION LIKE THIS THAT EXCLUDES THEM FROM BEING A STORY. IF IT'S JUST AN OUTDOOR GATHERING AREA AND A THIRD IS COVERED, BUT IF THEY'RE A TWO, LET'S SAY IT ALLOWS A THREE STORY BUILDING AND YOU HAVE A ROOF DECK THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED, THAT WOULD BE A STORY, WHICH WOULD BE FINE. CORRECT. NOW YOU'RE A FOURTH STORY. NO, YOU ADDING, YOU'RE STILL UNDER WHATEVER, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. YOU DON'T REALLY CARE IF IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED OR NOT. CORRECT. YEAH, WE DON'T CARE. NOW YOU'RE A STORY AND NOW YOU HAVE TO, UM, SPRINKLER THAT AREA IF THE REST, REST OF THE BUILDING'S REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLED. AND WHAT ABOUT IF IT'S JUST LIKE ONE OF THOSE, UM, A CANOPY THAT'S THAT LANDSCAPE CLOTH MATERIAL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SHADE STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW BY RIGHT IN THE CODE WITH OUR AMENDMENT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE FOLKS ARE WANTING TO DO. THEY'RE WANTING TO HAVE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS, BUT THEN ALSO TO COVER THEM SO THEY CAN USE THEM MORE THAN JUST ON BEAUTIFUL SPRING DAYS LIKE TODAY. AND IN THAT CASE, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE SPRINKLERED AND THEY DON'T COUNT AS A STORY. WE WOULDN'T COUNT IT AS A STORY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY. AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SPRINKLED CORRECT, BECAUSE IT'S STILL JUST A ROOF AND NOT A STORY OVER TO 31 0 5. AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE CANOPIES. HOW, WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THE ONE THIRD NUMBER? WELCOME. I FEEL UNDERDRESSED ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU CAME AT JUST THE RIGHT TIME. ROBERT, IS IT ONE OF MY, YES, THIS ONE IS, WE, WE ACTUALLY, HE COMES IN ON THE ONLY ONE UNDER RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS DISCUSS WAIT FOR ROBERT WHILE WE'RE SIGNING, UH, ROBERT IN WHO, WHO MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION? WHO'S THE PERSON THAT SAYS LIKE, UPDATE AMENDMENT, ADOPT IS WRITTEN OR DISCUSS STAFF COLLECTIVELY. UM, SO WE MEET, UM, INTERNALLY WITH INSPECTIONS OF PLAN REVIEW, UM, AND WE DECIDE IF WE SHOULD HAVE AN AMENDMENT, HOW IT'S WORKED BEFORE, IF IT'S AN ISSUE AT INSPECTION OR PLAN REVIEW WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED. AND MOST OF OUR AMENDMENTS WE PROPOSE TO KEEP. UM, IT'S ALWAYS, UH, IT'S ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF OUR MIND TO TRY TO ELIMINATE AS MANY AMENDMENTS AS POSSIBLE, UM, IF THE CODE HAS CAUGHT UP OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THINGS IN SAN ANTONIO THE SAME THAT THEY DO IN AUSTIN AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. UM, BUT STAFF, UH, HAS PROVIDED THAT RECOMMENDATION, YOU SEE NOW, SO DOES, WHEN YOU SAY DISCUSS WHEN THAT'S THE ONLY ONE OUT OF MAYBE A COUPLE OF PAGES, IS THAT WHERE THE STAFF COULDN'T REALLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT OF SOME SORT? SO WE, WE DO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT, SO WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THERE, BUT WE WANTED TO RUN IT BY YOU GUYS TO SEE, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? WHERE DID YOU GET THE ONE THIRD? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, JUST TO KIND OF VET IT WITH YOU GUYS TO SAY, HEY, DOES THIS, UH, DOES THIS SEEM RIGHT, UM, WITH YOUR, YOU KNOW, UH, WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND DIFFERENT EXPERTISES? UH, IS THIS ENFORCEABLE? ARE WE OPENING PANDORA'S BOX AND NOW WE HAVE [01:15:01] UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH THIS AMENDMENT, THOSE ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT MAY BE STAFFED, DIDN'T THINK ABOUT? SO IT, I MEAN, FOR ME, WHEN I SEE ONE THIRD, I'M GOING, OKAY, WHAT MADE THE DECISION OF ONE THIRD VERSUS ONE HALF OR THREE QUARTER? SO MEZZANINE. SO WE KIND OF, UH, MIMIC THAT ONE THIRD FROM A MEZZANINE. UM, SO IF YOUR MEZZANINE IS, UH, LESS THAN A THIRD IN AN UNS SPRINKLERED BUILDING, IT DOESN'T COUNT AS A STORY. IF THEY PUT A ROOF, IF THEY PUT A HARD ROOF OVER LIKE A ROOF STRUCTURE OVER A THIRD OF THE OPEN SPACE, IT WOULDN'T COUNT AS A STORY. THAT IS WHAT OUR AMENDMENT IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW. BUT CURRENTLY YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UH, AS THE CODE READS NOW, YEAH, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT I THINK IT, A LOT OF IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF ROOF STRUCTURE YOU'RE PUTTING UP. SO IF YOU'RE JUST PUTTING UP A SHADE STRUCTURE THAT MEETS ALL THE THING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T CREATE A FIRE HAZARD, IT MEETS THE FIRE MATERIAL DEAL AND YOU'RE BASICALLY PROVIDING SHADE, I DON'T KNOW, REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM WOULD BE, HAVING 100% OF IT AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO PUT A, A SPRINKLER TO, YOU KNOW. WILLIAM, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHEN YOU CONSIDERED THIS, DID, UM, WHAT IF I ALREADY HAVE A PENTHOUSE ON THE ROOF? UM, DOES THAT AREA NOW BECOME INCLUDED INTO ONE THIRD CALCULATION? THIS IS JASMINE WELLING PLAN REVIEW? YES. SO WITH THE CODE LANGUAGE, IT WOULD BE A AGGREGATE, IT WOULD BE THE AGGREGATE AREA. SO IF PEN PENTHOUSE STRUCTURES AND OTHER ENCLOSED ROOFTOP STRUCTURES, UM, ALL OF THAT EQUAL TO ONE THIRD. SO IF THE PENTHOUSE ON A ROOFTOP WAS LESS THAN ONE THIRD, IT DOESN'T COUNT AS A STORY. SO I COULD GO IN A THREE STORY MAX RESIDENTIAL UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU'RE, YOU MIGHT BE LIMITED TO THREE STORIES IF YOU PUT A PENTHOUSE ON TOP OF THE, THE, IF YOU BUILD THE FOURTH STORY AND ONLY OCCUPY A THIRD OF THE FLOOR AREA DOESN'T COUNT. SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF, OF PENTHOUSE UNDER, UNDER I B C. SO NON NON-HABIT UNDER THE PENTHOUSE DEFINITION FOR I B C. YEAH, BUT BY NATURE IT'S A HABITABLE, SO IT WOULD COUNT AS A STORY. CORRECT. WELL LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF THAT. BUT THAT'S THE OTHER, UM, PLACE THAT THE ONE THIRD CAME FROM WAS THE LIMITATION ON THE ROOFTOP STRUCTURES, UM, IN 1511. CHRIS, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. UH, DID THIS COME FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? THIS, NO, THIS, THIS CAME FROM, UH, THE BUILDING GROUP. THANK YOU. SO I MEAN, WHAT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IN THE, UM, IN THE CHANGE TO THE ACTUAL CODE, REGARDLESS OF AN AMENDMENT, IT SAYS AN OCCUPIED ROOF SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT OR NUMBER OF STORIES AS REGULATED BY SECTION 5 0 4 PROVIDED THAT THE PENTHOUSE OR OTHER ENCLOSED ROOFTOP STRUCTURE COMPLIES WITH SECTION 1511. SO I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MARK, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT 1511. SO 1511 IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE ROOFTOP STRUCTURES, THE PENTHOUSE, WHICH IS DEFINED, UM, AS AN ENCLOSED UNOCCUPIED ROOFTOP STRUCTURE USED FOR SHELTERING MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, TANKS, ELEVATORS, AND RE RELATED MACHINERY, STAIRS, AND VERTICAL SHAFT OPENINGS. SO IF A PENTHOUSE IS NOT ADJACENT TO JUST MAKE LIKE AN UNOCCUPIED ROOFS, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COUNT AS THE, AS AN, AS A AS A STORY, CORRECT? SAY THAT AGAIN IF IT WASN'T ADJACENT. I I HAVEN'T GOT THE 1511, BUT YOU SAID 1511 SAYS [01:20:01] THAT A PENTHOUSE IS ADJACENT TO A, UH, MECHANICAL SPACE ON A ROOF, NOT AN OCCUPIED ROOF. NO, IT ENC ENCLOSES THAT MECHANICAL OR ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S THE ENCLOSURE FOR THAT. AND I HAVE THE DEFINITION UP ON THE SCREEN FOR PENTHOUSE. YOU'RE RIGHT, MARGARET , THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A PENTHOUSE AS IN LIKE A, A, YOU KNOW, THE TOP OF THE GRANT HYATT , THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST A LITTLE SHACK FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. I GOTCHA. I MEAN, CRYSTAL, DO Y'ALL HAVE AN ISSUE IF IT'S A, LIKE MORE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERMANENT, BUT A, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE ROOF WAS COVERED WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WHAT I CALL A PERMANENT ROOF KIND OF DEAL, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT REALLY MAKE? SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING BACK TO LIKE COMPLETELY COVERING THE ROOF WITH, WITH MAYBE A FABRIC COVERING OR SOMETHING? UM, YES. VERSUS, VERSUS A STRUCTURE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A, A ROOF STRUCTURE ACROSS THE WHOLE ROOF, YOU PROBABLY, AND THE BUILDING IS REQUIRED TO BE SPRINKLER, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY SPRINKLER THE BUILDING. 'CAUSE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A, A REAL FLAMMABLE THING OVER EVERYBODY'S HEAD VERSUS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE WHAT I CALL CATCHES FIRE AND IT'S GONNA BLOW AWAY BEFORE IT DROPS ON EVERYBODY'S HEAD. IMAGINE THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE CONGREGATING THERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU BUILD A STRUCTURE ACROSS THE WHOLE TOP, THEN THEORETICALLY YOU COULD HAVE IT FULLY OCCUPIED VERSE AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY IN DANGER IF THERE WAS A FIRE. BUT THIS COULD ALLOW THE WHOLE ROOF TO BE OCCUPIED, BUT ONLY A THIRD OF IT IS COVERED. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE FOLKS THAT WANNA HAVE A ROOFTOP BAR AND A BATHROOM AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. UM, IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, YOU COME AND INSTALL A, A FABRIC CANOPY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY NOT, UM, ENT TRAPPING THAT SMOKE IT. THERE'S NO CEILING OR ROOF RAFTERS TO BE CONSIDERED A STORY. UM, SO 50% OPEN, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN, SO CAN WE GO WITH YOUR AMENDMENT AND THEN JUST EXCLUDE, UH, THOSE OTHER KIND OF THINGS AND Y'ALL CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF DEFINITION THAT, SO WE HAVE A DEF THERE'S A DEFINITION OF CANOPY. IT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE. AGAIN, THOSE FOLKS THAT WANNA COME IN AND PUT A COVER OVER THEIR BAR, UM, ON THE ROOFTOP. SO LOOK AT THE, UH, DEFINITION OF CANOPY A FABRIC DEAL WITH POST BE RIGID CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT RIGID CONSTRUCTION. I THINK THOSE KIND OF CANOPIES WOULD BE, I MEAN, THEY'RE GEN GENERALLY METAL ANCHORED TO THE GROUND OR WHATEVER. THEY'RE, WHATEVER'S UNDERNEATH OF THEM. AND THEN THE CANOP, THE FABRIC IS ATTACHED TO THAT. I MEAN, TO ME, I DON'T KNOW FAR BE FOR ME TO DISAGREE, BUT I, THE FRAME WOULD BE RIGID, BUT THE MATERIAL OVER IT WOULD NOT BE CRYSTAL. I HAVE, UH, TWO COMMENTS. ONE FOR CONSIDERATION BY STAFF ON THIS AMENDMENT. UH, A DAY DO GO FORWARD, I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, REFERENCE THE LIMITATIONS, UM, OF SECTION 1511 ROOFTOP STRUCTURES, WHICH HAS HEIGHTS, [01:25:01] LIMITATIONS, AS WELL AS, UH, AREA LIMITATIONS, UM, SUCH AS THE PENTHOUSES. AND THEN SECOND, UM, SOME LANGUAGE TO INDICATE THAT, UH, MEANS OF EGRESS NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 10. SO IF I SOMEHOW HAD A CANOPY LARGE ENOUGH THAT HAD MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE THERE, LIKE IN AN ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY TYPE, UH, I WOULD NEED TWO MEANS OF EGRESS OFF THAT ROOF, NOT JUST A SINGLE STAIR, WHICH IS USUALLY ALL THAT'S EVER PROVIDED TO A ROOFTOP. BUT IF YOU HAD THAT OCCUPANCY TO BEGIN WITH, IF IT WASN'T COVERED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET THOSE OCCUPANT, THOSE EXIT STANDARDS. IF YOU HAD, IF THE ROOFTOP HAD A HUN ALLOWED 150 PEOPLE ON THE ROOF, TWO EXITS, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE TWO EXITS REGARDLESS. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK AS LONG AS YOU'RE INTERPRETING RIGID STRUCTURE TO BEING 100% OF EVERYTHING, THEN I'M OKAY, BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD COVER IT AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SPRINKLED AND IT DOES BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY A ROOF STRUCTURE. OKAY, WILLIAM, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY, UM, UH, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. WE'LL COME BACK WITH A REVISED, SOME REVISED LANGUAGE FOR YOU GUYS NEXT TIME. ALRIGHT, THANKS CRYSTAL. SO WE'RE TABLING 18, UH, FOR STAFF TO REVISE THE LANGUAGE, UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF CLARIFICATION ON, UH, THE HEIGHTS, ET CETERA. ALL RIGHT. UH, 19 COSA AMENDMENT 5 0 3 1 5. SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER FIVE FOR OUTDOOR COVERED AREAS FOR GROUP A TWO OCCUPANCIES. WE ADDED THIS IN LAST TIME IN THE 2018. WE LIKE IT, WE THINK IT WORKS GREAT. UM, AND WE RECOMMEND TO KEEP IT AS WRITTEN REAL QUICK, WHAT'S A TWO, A RESTAURANT, UH, SERVES, UH, FOOD AND OR ALCOHOL. THANK YOU CRYSTAL. UH, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY. IF THIS IS A AMENDMENT, BUT YOU LIKE IT THE WAY IT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE, WHY IS IT BEING CONSIDERED TODAY JUST GOING OVER ALL OF OUR AMENDMENTS, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL GOOD. UH, THEY'RE STILL WORKING. UM, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE DEFINITELY LOOK TO, UH, REDUCE OUR NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS. SO, UM, IF YOU GUYS THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THIS, DO THAT. UM, BUT THIS IS ONE THAT WE WOULD WANNA KEEP. OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S AMENDMENT, THIS IS PART OF CHAPTER 10? YES. OKAY. SO IF WE'D LIKE IT, I DO HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION QUESTION. IN YOUR SUMMARY OF CHANGE, IT SAYS, AND IT MEETS ALL OF THE SIX CONDITIONS, BUT IN READING THE ORIGINAL CODE, AND I DIDN'T, I BEG YOUR PARDON. I DIDN'T LOOK AT CHAPTER 10, WHAT THE SIX CONDITIONS WERE. OKAY. UH, GOOD POINT. UM, AND I THINK WE DID WANNA UPDATE ONE. SO, UM, JASMINE HAS 'EM UP HERE ON THE SCREEN AND IT NOTES IN THE, UM, IN ALL CAPS. THEY'RE ALSO, THAT IT, I JUST LOOKED AT THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO ON NUMBER FOUR THERE, UM, WE SPECIFIED THAT THE OUTDOOR COVERED AREA SHALL NOT BE BUILT WITHIN 10 FEET OF A PROPERTY LINE. WHAT WE REALLY MEAN IS 10 FEET TO THAT LINE, USED TO DETERMINE FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE. SO IF THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON ONE LOT, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT, UH, NOT NECESSARILY TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO REQUIRE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS OR MAINTAIN IT. WOULDN'T THE PROPER LANGUAGE BE, UM, 10 OF A PROPERTY LINE, PARENT REAL OR IMAGINARY AND PARENTES? GREAT POINT. I LIKE THAT BETTER. [01:30:22] UM, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY, UH, AMENDMENT NUMBER 19. I MOVE APPROVAL AS AMENDED BY MR. BURS. ROBERT, WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL DO A MOTION AT THE END TO DO ALL OF THEM IF THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. UM, OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING, UH, I ASKED JACK AND HE SAID WE'RE DOING THEM INDIVIDUALLY, SO I APOLOGIZE. UH, WE'RE DOING IT INFORMALLY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY, ROBERT, BUT WE'LL DO IT FORMALLY AT THE END. WE'RE NOT DRESSED LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. MAY COOPER, MA, , MIKE MAY COOPER. ALL RIGHT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE 19 AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL ADOPT AS, UH, PRESENTED, UH, BUT AS MODIFIED BY, UH, MR. BURRIS AND AS TYPED IN HERE. AND THEN I THINK WE'LL ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN WE GET TO OUR MOTION LATER. CAN WE MOVE ON TO, UH, NUMBER TWO? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. OH, SO, SO IF SOMEONE OWNS TWO LOTS AND THE BUILDING IS ON ONE, AND THIS COVER, THIS PATIO IS ON THE OTHER, WHICH YOU HAVE A LOT OF THOSE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE BECAUSE THEY LET YOU BUILD A LONG TIME AGO ON SEVERAL LOTS WITHOUT HAVING TO REPL THE LOTS INTO ONE WHERE YOU COULD PUT THE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LOT LINE. WHEN YOU SAY REAL OR IMAGINARY, IF THE OWNER HAS CONTROL OF BOTH LOTS, IS THERE A REASON THAT THE OUTDOOR PATIO COULD NOT, UH, CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICY IS NOW, UM, CRYSTAL WITH THE CITY, BUT IN THE PAST IF, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, WENT ACROSS THE INTERNAL LOT LINE, UH, THE TWO LOTS WERE ENCUMBERED AND TREATED AS ONE. SO IN, IN YOUR CASE THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE. UH, CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY AND, AND, UM, BEG YOUR PARDON FOR MY BEING BRAIN DEAD AFTER YET. UH, THE OTHER DAY MEETING FOR STORMWATER, I THINK THIS IS BEING ADDRESSED IN ONE OF THE U D C AMENDMENTS ABOUT, UH, BUILDING ACROSS, UH, SAME OWNER TWO PROPERTIES AND BUILDING ACROSS. I THINK THERE'S A CHANGE THAT'S BEING PENDING IN THE U D C AMENDMENTS, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS FLORENCE PLAN REVIEW THAT'S, UH, BEING PROPOSED FOR RESIDENTIAL ONLY. ONLY FOR RESIDENTIAL. YES, CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN BOTH LOTS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU WILL ALWAYS OWN LOTS. AND IF YOU, IF YOU, IF WE HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT BUILT INTO THIS, YOU RUN THE RISK OF, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE WILLIAM SAID, YOU EITHER ENCUMBER THE TWO LOTS TOGETHER AND THEY BECOME ONE PARCEL FOREVER, OR YOU BUILD IT AS DONE. AND IF THE OWNER HAS A EXCEPTION TO POLICY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE THEMSELVES BASED ON THAT KIND OF SITUATION, THEY, THEY BRING IT TO STAFF AND, AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE THAT ANSWER, THEY BRING IT TO THE, TO THE FULL BOARD. I, I THINK IS A REASONABLE SOLUTION TO THAT. 'CAUSE I THINK WE COULD REALLY GET INTO THE, INTO THE, INTO THE WEEDS PRETTY DEEPLY ON SOME OF THESE EXCEPTIONS. THAT'S JUST AN OPINION THOUGH. I MEAN, IF PEOPLE DISAGREE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. YOU GUYS AGREE TO KEEP THAT AMENDMENT WITH A SLIGHT MODIFICATION. SO WHAT DO YOU DO WHERE THE BUILDING WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT ON TWO LOTS AND THEY WANT TO EXPAND. THEY CAN EXPAND. THEY'RE, BECAUSE IN THAT INSTANCE, THEY'RE NOT BUILDING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A REAL PROPERTY, A LOT LINE. SO THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD IT THERE. SO THE BUILDINGS BUILT OVER THE LOT LINES ALREADY. THEN THEY CAN, BUILDING A PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS ALREADY OVER THE LOT LINE, BUT THEY WANT TO EXPAND IT TO BE OVER THE LOT LINE AGAIN. HOW DO YOU DO IT WITHIN 10 FEET? NO NEW CONSTRUCTION OVER LOT LINES. OKAY. SATISFIED. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO, UH, TO 20, LET, LET'S TAKE A, A 10 MINUTE BREAK PLEASE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. IT'S TWO 40, WE'LL RECONVENE AT TWO 50. THANKS . [01:35:13] OKAY, IT'S TWO 50. WE'LL RECONVENE, UH, WE JUST, UM, FINISHED NINE ITEM NUMBER 19. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 20, UH, WHICH IS 5 0 6 0.3 0.2. MICAH, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT YOU NEED ME HERE. YOU ARE DOING GREAT. SO HAS IT, I DON'T EVEN THINK YOU NEED ME. YOU'RE, YOU CAN JUST, YOU, YOU GOT THIS. YOU'RE DOING GREAT. OKAY. SORRY, I'M GETTING TO THIS SECTION. SO FRONTAGE INCREASE FACTOR. SO THIS ADDED A TABLE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THOSE CALCULATIONS TO DETERMINE, UM, THE FRONTAGE INCREASE ALLOWANCES. CRYSTAL, I HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THIS, BUT THE SECOND TABLE, 5 0 6 3 3 1 FOR UNLIMITED AREA BUILDINGS, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. UH, WHAT THE FACTOR IS THAT YOU MULTIPLY IT AGAINST SINCE THE, YOU NEED THE BASE ALLOWABLE AREA TO, TO USE THE CALCULATION AND AN UNLIMITED AREA BUILDING, UM, IS UNLIMITED CRYSTAL, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION JUST OUTTA CLARITY? 'CAUSE I'M, I APOLOGIZE I WASN'T HERE, BUT THESE ARE THE PROPOSED 2021 I B C AND CHAPTER 10 CHANGES. AND SO IF IT'S CHAPTER 10, I KNOW IT'S CITY AMENDMENTS TO THE I I C C OR THE I B C. UM, WHEN IT SAYS ADOPTED IS WRITTEN, THIS IS NOT A CITY AMENDMENT. THIS IS ADOPTED AS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM THE 2018 TO THE 2021 CYCLE BY I C C, CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WAS IT THAT ACTUALLY CHANGED ON THAT? I KNOW IT SAYS FRONTAGE INCREASED FACTOR TABLE, BUT WAS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY CHANGED. SO PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE EQUATIONS, UM, THAT YOU WOULD USE TO DETERMINE THE FRONTAGE INCREASE AND NOW THEY'VE PUT THOSE INTO A TABLE FOR YOU DEPENDING ON THE, UM, THE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT YOU HAVE ZERO TO LESS THAN 20, 20 TO 25, THOSE ITEMS. SO THAT WOULD IS WHAT WOULD CHANGE IN YOUR, UH, FRONTAGE INCREASE, UH, CALCULATION. I'M STILL LOOKING FOR THAT, WILLIAM. SO THIS IS DONE TO SAVE THE ENGINEERS FROM HAVING TO DO MATH. IS THAT I UNDERSTAND. WILLIAM, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH YOUR QUESTION? I, THAT'S WHAT WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO PUT PRESSURE ON YOU OR PUT IT ON YOU. I JUST WANNA MAKE, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL OF YOUR, YOUR INQUIRY. MAYBE WE CAN JUST TABLE THIS ONE AND, AND MOVE ON AND GIVE, UH, MYSELF AND STAFF TIME TO FIGURE OUT THE SECOND TABLE. ALL RIGHT. SO CRYSTAL, WE WE'LL HERE, JUST LITTLE ONE. SO THE SECOND TABLE IS FOR UNLIMITED AREA BUILDINGS. SO WHAT DO YOU MULTIPLY THAT FACTOR BY? IS THAT JUST BY THE, UM, ALLOWABLE AREA IN THE TABLE? THAT'S WILLIAM'S QUESTION ACTUALLY. ITEM 21. SO IF WE COULD MAYBE GO TO, IF TWENTY'S GOOD. THE SECOND TABLE THAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING IS, IS ITEM 21. MAYBE WE CAN JUST JUMP DOWN TO THAT. ALRIGHT. 'CAUSE I THINK WILLIAM'S QUESTION IS ACTUALLY ABOUT ITEM 21. THAT, THAT SECOND TABLE, UH, 5 0 6 3 3 1. [01:40:07] SO THIS IS WHERE THOSE UN UNLIMITED AREA BUILDINGS DON'T MEET THAT 60 FOOT REQUIREMENT. SO IT WOULD WORK THE SAME. AND, AND YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT WOULD WORK THE SAME AS THE FRONTAGE INCREASE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR UNLIMITED AREA EXCEPT THAT ONE ITEM OF THE 60 FOOT OPEN SPACE. SO THIS WAS IN THE 2018 AS WELL. WILLIAM, CAN YOU PUT THAT ON THIS? SO THERE WAS AN EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWED, UM, ALLOWED THE INCREASE, BUT THIS CHANGE IS TURNED EQUATION FIVE FIVE INTO TABLE 5 0 6 3 3 1. YES. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO 22 THEN. SO LET'S TABLE 21 AND MOVE ON TO, TO 22. AND YOU CAN HAVE A ANSWER FOR THAT ONE. NEXT MEETING, FIVE, 10.2 HORIZONTAL BUILDING SEPARATION ALLOWANCE. OKAY, UM, FIVE, 10.2. THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT ALLOWS INTERIOR EXIT STAIRS WITHIN A ONE A BUILDING. THEY'RE PERMITTED TO BE COMBUSTIBLE WHEN THE, THOSE CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET. PREVIOUSLY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MATCH THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. SO IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THAT FIVE A APARTMENT BUILDING INTO THAT ONE, A PARKING GARAGE, YOU CAN CONTINUE THAT COMBUSTIBLE STAIR THROUGH THE PARKING GARAGE IF YOU MEET THESE CONDITIONS. ANY CONCERN WITH THAT? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, 23. OKAY, 23. SO THIS WAS A CHANGE THAT, UM, ALLOWS THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT TO BE INCREASED BY 10 FEET. AND THE NUMBER OF STORIES TO BE INCREASED BY ONE PREVIOUSLY, IT IDENTIFIED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT. SO WE THINK THIS CHANGE ACTUALLY LIMITS, UH, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. SO PREVIOUSLY THE CODE SECTION SAID THAT IT CAN BE INCREASED TO SIX STORIES AND 75 FEET. NOW IF YOU LOOK AT IT, UM, YOU CAN ONLY INCREASE IT 10 FEET, WHICH WE DETERMINED WAS 65 FEET. CRYSTAL. UM, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN. UM, THIS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THIS. 'CAUSE 10 FEET DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANOTHER STORY. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION. THEY'RE CALLING SIX SIX, [01:45:22] SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT, IT'S, UM, SO YOU CAN GO UP ANOTHER STORY AND INCREASE BY 10 FEET, RIGHT? SO IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, PREVIOUSLY IT HAD A MAXIMUM HEIGHT. SO THIS IS JUST SAYING YOU CAN GO 10 MORE THAN YOU'RE ALREADY PERMITTED. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT MAY NOT EQUATE TO A WHOLE NOTHER STORY, BUT YOU CAN MAKE THOSE STORIES LARGER. BUT THIS IS COMING OUT OF THE C I B C. THIS IS FROM THEM 2020. 'CAUSE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING YES. PROVE AS A WRITTEN. OKAY. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? AND THIS IS RESTRICTED TO R ONE. SO HOTELS, R TWOS, THERE'S APARTMENT BUILDINGS OF TYPE THREE A CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WE SEE VERY, VERY INFREQUENT, INFREQUENTLY, ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, 24 PLEASE. OKAY, 24. THIS IS A CHANGE TO, UM, 6 0 1, THE 2021 I B C HAS, I ADDED NEW ITEMS FOR TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION. SO TYPE FOUR HAS BEEN EXPANDED FROM JUST HEAVY TIMBER OR THAT HT TO TYPE FOUR A, B, AND C. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS D DUPLICATED IN THE I F C. ANY PROVISIONS LIKE, LIKE THIS ARE ALSO CHANGED THERE. SO I KNOW THE, UM, IT SAYS FIRE RESISTANCE RATINGS, BUT THESE ARE FOR BUILDING ELEMENTS. SO THIS IS NOT IN THE FIRE CODE. SO WE DIDN'T OBJECT TO ANY OF THESE CHANGES, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S JUST MORE, UM, MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DESIGN TO UTILIZE THE TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION REALLY IS NOT GONNA IMPACT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. JUST, UH, AGAIN, EXPANDING THE, THE USE OF MATERIALS. AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM, IF WE KIND OF GROUP THESE 24 AND 25 TOGETHER IS, UM, AGAIN, DETAILS OF THAT TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION. UM, IN SECTION 6 0 2 0.4, THAT'S A BIG SECTION. SO MAYBE WE'LL TAKE A SECOND FOR, TO LET EVERYBODY DIGEST THAT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE WE MOVE ON. OKAY. OUR FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS SEEM SATISFIED, SO I CERTAINLY AM, AGAIN, THESE ARE BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION TYPES, SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY ALL OF THIS, UM, IS NEW FOR THOSE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR TYPE FOUR. OKAY, SO 26 THEN. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH 24 AND 25 AS WRITTEN. 26 IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT. SO WE BRING UP OUR AMENDMENTS. WE HAVE A, WE PREVIOUSLY AMENDED THIS SECTION OUT. NONE OF US REALLY KNEW WHY WE AMENDED THIS SECTION OUT OF THE BUILDING CODE. AND NOW IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS SECTION ISN'T IN THE 2021 I B C, BUT IT'S KIND OF, UH, SANDWICHED IN WITH THE PREVIOUS, UH, SECTION 7 0 3 0.2. SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT SECTION UP. CRYSTAL, IF, IF I LOOK AT, UH, 7 0 3 0.4, UM, IT'S THE FIRE RESISTANT RATED GLAZING PER YEAR, UH, SPREADSHEET, BUT THE CHANGES SEEM TO BE IN 7 0 3 0.3 0.1 NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S A MISGUIDED REFERENCE. 7 0 3 0.4. SO THAT'S THE 2018 SECTION ROBERT, UM, THAT WE AMENDED OUT. SO THE, UM, RACHEL BROUGHT UP WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE 2018 [01:50:01] SAYING THAT THE FIRE RESISTANCE RATING AND BUILDING ELEMENTS SHALL BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT THE USE OF, OF AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS OR ANY OTHER FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM BEING INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE ASSEMBLY AS PART OF THE TESTED ASSEMBLY. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY, UH, HISTORY ON WHY THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AMENDED OUT? SO THAT IS KIND OF SQUISHED WITH OUR 20 21 7 0 3 0.2 THAT BASICALLY SAYS THE SAME THING. UM, THAT THE FIRE RESISTANT RATING AND BUILDING ELEMENTS SHALL BE DETERMINED WITHOUT THE USE OF AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS OR ANY OTHER FIRE SUPPRESSION. IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS KIND OF A BELT AND SUSPENDERS, AND WE'RE SAYING JUST THE BELT'S GOOD ENOUGH IS THAT THEY DID RELOCATE IT, BUT WE PREVIOUSLY AMENDED OUT THE ENTIRE SECTION. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO, UH, TO CARRY THAT AMENDMENT FORWARD WITH THE NEW SECTION NUMBER. SO BASICALLY BEFORE YOU COULD DETERMINE THE YOU, THE CODE WANTS YOU TO DETERMINE THE MATERIAL USED AS IF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM DOESN'T EXIST. AND BY AMENDING IT OUT, WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN CONSIDER THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR THE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM WHEN DETERMINING WHAT MATERIAL YOU HAVE TO USE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DID LAST TIME TO SAY WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVE ALL THIS EXPENDITURE TO PUT THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN AND NOW YOU CAN'T USE IT TO CHANGE THE RATING OF MATERIALS AND, BUT WE STILL DON'T PERMIT YOU TO UTILIZE THE SPRINKLER, UM, AS IN LIEU OF OTHER FIRE RESISTANT RATINGS FOR BUILDING ELEMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY WE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHY IT WAS AMENDED OUT. UM, BUT YOU WEREN'T FOLLOWING YOUR OWN AMENDMENT . SORRY. THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA, SO THIS IS A KEEP IT IN. THIS IS A CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENT AND, AND THE POWERS TO BE, AND THE STAFF FOR THE CITY IS NOW SAYING, WE DON'T NEED THIS ANYMORE. AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING REMOVING THE AMENDMENT. CORRECT? IT SOUNDS LIKE, ALL JOKING ASIDE, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AMENDMENT THAT DIDN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING AND THAT IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S GOAL TO MINIMIZE AMENDMENTS WHERE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY, IT SEEMS, I I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF STRIKING THE AMENDMENT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE DISAGREE? OKAY, SO WE'LL TAKE THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THAT AMENDMENT AND MOVE ON ON TO 27. OKAY, 27. THAT'S A NEW SECTION FOR 7 0 6 0.3, UM, AND ALSO 7 0 3 0.7. SO THIS IDENTIFIES, UH, THAT TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION HEAVY TIMBER OR MASS TIMBER, UM, THOSE TESTING METHODS FOR THOSE BUILDING ELEMENTS. WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING MAJOR HERE. JUST WANTED TO POINT THESE OUT NEW SECTIONS, UM, DEALING WITH THOSE NEW CONSTRUCTION TYPES. ANY CONCERN? OKAY, UH, SO ADOPT IS WRITTEN 27 AND MOVE TO 28, PLEASE. OKAY, 7 0 4 0.6 0.1. SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT DEALS WITH, UH, SECONDARY ATTACHMENTS TO THOSE STRUCTURAL MEMBERS, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE RATED. YEAH, IT, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND AND, AND MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD CATCHALL FOR THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE, UM, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA ATTACH A SECONDARY MEMBER AFTER IT'S BEEN FIREPROOF BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SCRAPE OFF THE FIREPROOFING WHERE YOU'RE GONNA MAKE AN ATTACHMENT AND THEN REAPPLY [01:55:01] YOUR FIREPROOFING. SO THIS IS PRETTY CLEAR AND THIS MAKES IT A WHOLE LOT SIMPLER FOR THE DESIGN INDUSTRY AND THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, UH, TO PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S FOLLOWING THE METHODOLOGY THEY'RE USING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD WITH 28 AND WE'LL MOVE TO 29. OKAY, 7 0 5 0.2 0.3 FOR EXTERIOR WALLS. SO THIS SECTION, UM, IS A NEW SECTION, UH, WITH, IN THE 2021 WITH ADDED OPTIONS FOR THAT NON-COMBUSTIBLE HEAVY TIMBER FIRE, FIRE RATED PROJECTIONS, UH, TO EXTEND WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE LINE, USED TO DETERMINE FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE. THAT'S WHERE THAT VERBIAGE CAME FROM. WILLIAM, THIS IS A NEW SECTION. IT LOOKS LIKE 7 0 5 2 0.3, BUT THE EXCEPTION IS NOT MARKED AS NEW OR IS THAT JUST, I'M NOT READING THE, THE LINE RIGHT. JASMINE SAYS THAT WAS A FOOTNOTE IN THE TABLE. OH, SOME MINOR, MINOR CHANGES. THAT, UM, SECTION WAS PREVIOUSLY COMBUSTIBLE PROJECTIONS, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS JUST RECONFIGURED. THAT SECTION WAS REALLY JUST RECONFIGURED. UH, THIS IS FLORENCE FROM PLAN REVIEW. THEY ALSO, UM, ON 7 0 5 2 3, THEY ADDED NON-COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS AS AN OPTION THAT WASN'T INCLUDED BEFORE. ANY CONCERNS WITH THIS ONE? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO 30. OKAY, NUMBER 30. UM, THIS IS FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT, UH, SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE BUILDING CODE. THIS WAS A BIG MOVE, NOT A LOT OF CHANGES, BUT A BIG MOVE. UM, THIS TABLE, UH, 6 0 2 WAS MOVED TO CHAPTER SEVEN. SO AGAIN, NOT A, NOT A CHANGE IN CONTENT EXCEPT THE FACT THAT THEY ADDED THOSE ITEMS, UH, FOR TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION UNDER, UH, UNDER THE COLUMN TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY ADDED THOSE TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION. SO MORE JUST TO POINT OUT THAT OUR TABLE'S MISSING FROM CHAPTER SIX AND CHAPTER SEVEN NOW. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS JUST A, A MOVE. NO ISSUES. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. YEP. OKAY. NEXT TO ITEM 31. THIS IS OUR CURRENT CITY AMENDMENT TO 7 0 6 0.1 0.1 FOR PARTY WALLS. STAFF IS PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT THAT ELIMINATES THE EXCEPTION NUMBER TWO FOR PARTY WALLS. JASMINE HAS THAT LANGUAGE ON THE SCREEN, WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT THAT STRIKES OUT EXCEPTION TWO. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, CRYSTAL, THE EXCEPTION IN THE 2018 AMENDMENTS HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN DELETED. CORRECT. AND WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IT WAS, UM, PREVIOUSLY DELETED AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP IT DELETED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DELETED IT LAST? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THERE, SOMEBODY WORKED ON IT AND THEN THEY DELETED IT IN A LAST TIME. SO THAT, THAT THOSE RED MARKINGS, THAT'S JUST TO UPDATE TO THE 2021 LANGUAGE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU DELETED IT? [02:00:03] TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS SENTENCE, FRANKLY. SO THIS IS BUILDING OVER LOT LINES BASICALLY. SO WE DON'T PERMIT THAT IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING BUILT OVER THE LOT LINES. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM. I'M GOOD THEN. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD ON THAT, EVERYBODY. ALL RIGHT, MOVING TO 32, MAN, MARK. I WAS GETTING ALL RILED UP. READY TO GO WITH OUR, OKAY, ITEM 32. THIS, UM, THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION FOR 7 0 7 0.4. UM, AND WE'LL SEE THIS AGAIN IN SEVEN 16. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW ITEMS HERE AND THERE ABOUT ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO THIS IS JUST SAYING THAT THOSE ARE TO COMPLY WITH THIS SEC, THIS SECTION EXCEPT FOR THOSE WALLS, UH, THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE RATED FOR THE PER THE FIRE CODE WHERE THEY ENCLOSE THOSE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. AND THERE IS A NEW DEFINITION FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, BUT THIS IS JUST ABOUT FIRE BARRIERS. SO THIS DOESN'T DO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REQUIRING SUCH SYSTEMS, CORRECT? CORRECT. THIS IS JUST THE, UH, FIRE BARRIER CONSTRUCTION AND, AND WHERE THEY'RE REQUIRED. ANYBODY HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS? OKAY, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOOD TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SO THE NEXT ITEM 33, THAT'S A NEW EXCEPTION FOR 7 0 7 0.5. UM, SO THEY ADDED THAT EXCEPTION FOR EXIT PASSAGEWAYS. UH, AND WE'RE STILL IN THE FIRE BARRIER SECTION, SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THAT RATED CEILING, UM, IN LIEU OF TAKING THE FIRE BARRIER TO THE CEILING OR TO THE, UH, DECK. THANK YOU. WE'VE ADDED AN EXCEPTION, MAKING MORE OPTIONS FOR BUILDERS. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. ANYBODY OBJECT? OKAY. 2 34. OKAY, THIS IS A CHANGE TO 7 0 9 0.4 0.1. SO MORE OPTIONS HERE AS WELL. TAKING THE SMOKE BARRIER, UM, TO A HORIZONTAL ASSEMBLY INSTEAD OF REQUIRING IT TO GO TO THE EXTERIOR WALL. SO THESE ARE FOR BARRIERS SPECIFICALLY. ANY CONCERN ON THIS NEXT 35 PLEASE? MIKE SAYS WE'RE NOT HAVING SIX MEETINGS. WE'RE GONNA GET THIS DONE IN TWO. WATCH THIS. WATCH ME. I'M, IF I'M RUSHING TO TELL ME TO, TO SLOW DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY OF THIS SHORT, SHORT SHRIFT, BUT A LOT OF THIS SEEMS PRETTY CUT AND DRY. WE AGREE. CHAPTER SEVEN'S PRETTY BORING. SO CHANGES TO TABLE SEVEN, 16.1. UM, SO THEY ADDED THE DOUBLE DOUBLE FIREWALLS IN THERE. SO THIS JUST SHOWS WHEN YOU HAVE THAT DOUBLE FIREWALL CONSTRUCTED PER N F P A 2 2 1 HERE. UM, HERE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE, UH, RATED ASSEMBLIES CONCERNS. HEARING NONE. I'LL MOVE TO PAGE THREE. OKAY, ITEM 36, SEPHORA ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM SEPARATION. SO WE ARE AS SECTION 17 7 16 IS FOR OPENING PROTECTIONS, OPENING PROTECTIVE. SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION STATING THAT RATED GLAZING IS NOT PERMITTED IN THOSE FIRE DOOR FRAMES FOR THOSE ENCLOSURES SPECIFICALLY. SOUNDS REASONABLE. I ASSUME THAT THE, UH, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS CREATE VERY HOT FIRES, I WOULD ASSUME. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO 37. OKAY, NUMBER 37 FOR SECTION SEVEN, 16.4. [02:05:01] SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION PROVIDING MORE, UM, OPTIONS FOR DESIGNERS TO PROVIDE THE FABRIC FIRE PROTECTIVE CURTAIN ASSEMBLY. WE'VE UTILIZED, UH, THIS OPTION A LOT AS A CODE MODIFICATION, SO YOU DON'T WANNA PROTECT THE ENTIRE OPENING. YOU CAN HAVE A CURTAIN ASSEMBLY. SO WE THINK IT'S GOOD IN THE, IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S IN THE CODE NOW. ANY CONCERNS MOVING TO 38? OKAY, 38 7 17 5 2 FOR FIRE BARRIERS. SO THIS IS SEVEN 17 DUCT AND AIR, AIR TRANSFER OPENINGS. SO WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD CHANGE. SO THIS IS ALLOWS THE NON-METAL FLEXIBLE AIR DUCT CONNECTORS AT THE DUCT CONNECTION TO THE AIR HANDLING UNIT WITHIN THE MECHANICAL ROOM OR FROM THAT OVERHEAD DUCT TO THE DIFFUSER. UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO, IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE 26 GAUGE. IT CAN BE A FLEX DUCT. AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT'S PENETRATING A FIRE BARRIER PINCH HERE IS IN THE, IN THE EXCEPTIONS. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, IT'S IN THE 3.1 AND 3.20. THANK YOU, ROBERT. YOU'RE RIGHT. IS PART OF YES, MY PART OF THE EXCEPTIONS AND MATCHES REALLY REDUCE THE COST BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU CAN USE A FLU THAT FLEX DUCT TO CROSS BETWEEN THE THING. AND SO THIS IS SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT, THAT FIRE DAMPER IF YOU HAVE THE, UH, 26 GAUGE DUCT, BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE THE FLEX DUCT IN THESE TWO SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, WE THINK IS A GOOD CHANGE. ANY CONCERNS FROM THE COMMITTEE? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO 39 8 0 6 9. WE ARE IN CHAPTER SIX, I MEAN EIGHT. I SAID SIX. WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS. SO THIS WAS A NEW SECTION FOR COMBUSTIBLE LOCKERS SAYS THAT WHEN THE LOCKERS ARE COMBUSTIBLE, THEY SHALL BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE INTERIOR FINISH WITHOUT ME HAVING TO GO RESEARCH IT. WHAT'S A COMBUSTIBLE LOCKER WHEN YOU GO TO THE SPA? ROBERT? OH, THIS IS JASMINE WELLING PLAN REVIEW. YES, YOU DO. EVERYONE NEEDS SOME R AND R SOMETIMES. UM, WE SEE IT MOSTLY IN, IN YOUR, UM, GYM FACILITIES. UM, THEY PUT THE WOOD LOCKER IN THE LOCKER ROOMS. YES. I HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THIS SECTION. THANK YOU. I'M COMPLETELY CONFUSED BY THAT EXCEPTION, BUT IF THE FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS SEEM SATISFIED, I'M, I'M WILLING TO STIPULATE THAT IT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO 40 CHAPTER NINE. DOES THIS CHANGE, SO THIS IDENTIFIES, WELL, THIS ONE NO LONGER ALLOWS THE NUMBER OF STORIES TO BE MEASURED FROM THE HORIZONTAL DISTANCE, UH, HORIZONTAL SEPARATION. UM, IT REQUIRES THEM TO BE MEASURED FROM GRADE PLAIN. SO ASSUME, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF ASSUMPTION THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE TWO TERMS MEAN. [02:10:01] WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL MEANING OF, OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID? SO THIS IS WHEN YOU, SO GRADE PLANE, THAT'S JUST THE, UH, AVERAGE, UH, GRADE, UM, IF YOU'RE ON A SLOPE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ACCESSING, UH, ACCESSING THE BUILDING FROM. IT'S IN PRACTICAL TERMS, DOES THIS MEAN THAT A NOMINALLY THREE STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX WOULD NOW HAVE TO BE SPRINKLED IF THE ACCESS ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, BELOW, YOU KNOW, THE GRADE PLANE IS LOWER, I THINK LIKE IT SAYS FOUR STORIES OR LOWER OR RIGHT, BUT IF IT ALSO, IT'S ALSO, BUT IT'S, IF IT'S MEASURED FROM GRADE PLANE, NOT HORIZONTAL SEPARATION NOW, THEN THE, THE GRADE PLANE OF THE GROUND MIGHT CHANGE. THAT IS, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. UM, MY QUESTION ON THIS CRYSTAL IS THAT IF I HAVE A TWO TO THREE HOUR FIRE SEPARATION, UH, BETWEEN THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE FRAMING ABOVE, I CAN DO FOUR STORIES. 13 R AND I'M GONNA EXCEED THE GRADE PLANE. WELL, YOU HAVE TO MEASURE FROM GRADE PLANE. YEAH. UM, FOUR STORIES OR FEWER, BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A ONE STORY PARKING GARAGE, MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK WITH THE, UM, THE FOUR STORIES IS FOR THE, FOR THE R SPECIFICALLY. YES. SO TO ROBERT'S EXAMPLE, IF I HAVE A THREE STORY PODIUM BUILD APARTMENT ON TOP OF A GARAGE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE TO SPRINKLER IT, BUT IF WE MEASURE FROM GRADE PLANE NOW THAT I, I WOULD THEN HAVE TO SPRINKLE THREE A THREE STORY BUILDING. IS THAT WHAT I'M TO UNDERSTAND? NO, YOU'LL, YOU'LL ALWAYS SPRINKLER IT BECAUSE IT'S AN R OCCUPANCY. WHAT THIS IS ALLOWING YOU TO USE A AN N F P A 13 R SYSTEMS SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS IN AREAS THAT DON'T NEED TO BE SPRINKLER ATTICS AND SOME CLOSETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THIS CHANGES THE TYPE OF SPRINKLER, NOT WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO SPRINKLE. SO THIS SAVES MONEY THEN? NO, NO. IT MAKE, RIGHT NOW NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE IN THE CODE. CORRECT. SO IF YOU ARE THREE STORIES OR LESS, OR FOUR STORIES OR LESS, YOU CAN USE 13 R PERIOD. CORRECT. TODAY UNDER 2018. SO THIS MAKES IT THIS LIMITS WHERE 13 R CAN BE USED, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IN THE CURRENT CODE, THERE'S SIMILAR LIMITATIONS. THEY, UH, JUST CHANGED THE MEASURING POINT FROM, UH, GRADE PLANE AND LOWEST LEVEL FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLE ACCESS. THAT WASN'T IN THE 2018 EDITION. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD ASK THAT THIS BE TABLED AND YOU, WE GET, ALLOW SOME OF THE DEVELOPER BUILDERS IN TOWN TO TELL US WHAT IMPACT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BECAUSE THIS COULD BE HUGE WHERE YOU, BECAUSE THE OTHER, THE, THE REGULAR SPRINKLER IS WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN 13 ARC. CORRECT? YEAH. I KEEP, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE TYPE OF SPRINKLER, SO THIS SECTION HASN'T CHANGED REGARDING THE TYPE OF SPRINKLER, UM, PERMITTED FOR THOSE, THOSE USES. IT'S JUST LIKE WILLIAM SAID, UM, CHANGING THE, WHERE YOU MEASURE THE HEIGHT FROM PREVIOUSLY, IT ALLOWED YOU TO MEASURE FROM THE HORIZONTAL ASSEMBLY. SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT PARKING GARAGE AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT APARTMENT ON TOP, YOU CAN START THAT, THAT UM, HEIGHT AND STORY MEASUREMENT, UM, FROM THE TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE BASICALLY. YES. THE DECK OF THE PARKING GARAGE. WELL NOW YOU HAVE TO START THAT MEASUREMENT FROM GRADE PLANE. THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD. UH, THE ONE THOUGHT THAT I HAVE IS THIS WILL FALL UNDER, UNDER THE I F C WHEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMES AND DISCUSSES WITH US. SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS, MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE IT UNTIL WE GO TO THE I [02:15:01] F C, UH, SEE WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS TO SAY. AND THEN WE JUST SAY NOW THAT WHAT THE GOAL WOULD BE IS THE I B C. ANY AMENDMENTS WE HAVE IN THE I F C, WE HAVE THE SAME AMENDMENT IN THE I B C TO KEEP 'EM CONSISTENT. SO, AND MIKE AND I WILL REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO DEVELOPMENT TO LET THEM KNOW THIS GOT CHANGED BECAUSE IT, IT COULD HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY THAT'S UNINTENDED WITHOUT REALLY MAKING ANYWHERE MORE SAFE. CORRECT. YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD TIME FOR THAT. SO I F C WILL BE AFTER THE I B C I R C AND THEN WE MOVE INTO THE I F C. SO THAT GIVES US A FEW WEEKS TO CONSIDER THAT AND BE BETTER PREPARED TO, TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THIS COMMITTEE. WE'LL JUST TABLE ENTIRE, THE ENTIRETY OF, OF CHAPTER NINE, UH, ITEMS 40 THROUGH 44. AM I, UH, AM I OVERSTATING WHAT WE SHOULD TABLE CRYSTAL OR NO, NOT AT ALL. OKAY. UM, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY ITEMS, UH, THAT DO, THAT ARE DUPLICATED IN THE FIRE CODE. SO WE CAN, WE CAN WAIT TO TALK ABOUT 'EM WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO 45 THEN. WE'VE, I'M SAYING WE'RE TABLING 40 THROUGH 44, SO WE'LL MOVE TO 45. SO THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT, CURRENT 2018 CITY AMENDMENT. SO YES, UH, 10 0 3 0.8. SO THIS, UH, IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP. UM, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO OCCUPANCIES USED FOR KINDERGARTEN OR DAYCARE. SO THOSE ROOMS THAT HAVE KINDERGARTNER, DAYCARE SHALL BE, SHALL NOT BE LOCATED ABOVE OR BELOW THE FIRST FLOOR. THIS IS REALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT MOST OF OUR, UM, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE DOING FOR, FOR SURE. AND WE FEEL THIS IS A, A SAFETY CONCERN FOR THOSE YOUNGEST KIDDOS. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES OR COMPLAINTS FROM, UH, FROM THOSE E OCCUPANCY USERS. UH, CRYSTAL ALSO IN THIS, UH, IN LINE WITH, UH, STATE AGENCIES THAT OVERSEE INDEPENDENT DAYCARES AND KINDERGARTENS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF A SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT MAY BE WHY WE ADDED THAT IN HERE. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT, UM, THOSE, UH, ISES ARE NOT PUTTING THOSE KIDDOS ABOVE OR BELOW FIRST FLOOR. YEAH, I, I, I'M NOT ADVOCATING TABLE ON THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ARE. AND IT, THERE'S, IT'S EITHER TEXAS EDUCATION AGENCY OR DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH SERVICES BECAUSE, UH, ANY KIND OF DAYCARE, UH, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT A LOCATION ON FLOORS AND RATIOS OF STUDENTS PER TEACHERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A CITY AMENDMENT. OKAY, WILL DO. RECOMMENDATION IS A TABLE 45 AND GET SENT THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I WAS, UH, MIKE, I WASN'T ADVOCATING TABLING IT, BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET FURTHER DOWN THE LINE, IT WOULD BE NO GOOD TO KNOW OTHER ADDITIONAL RESOURCES ABOUT, UH, THAT ARE PARALLEL TO THIS PROVISION OR AMENDMENT SINCE IT'S A CITY AMENDMENT. SO WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, APPROVE TO KEEP AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT, UH, 10 0 3 0.8, BUT GET THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR LATER. WILLIAM, YOU HAD SOMETHING CAN I, OCCUPANCIES WOULD ONLY BE SCHOOLS OR FACILITIES LIKE THAT. SO IF A BUSINESS WAS ON THE 23RD FLOOR OF A BUILDING AND WANTED TO ADD DAYCARE IN FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, THEY COULD DO THAT, CORRECT? ON THE FIRST FLOOR? NO. ANYWHERE IT, SO WE WOULD THAT, IF THAT'S LESS THAN 10% OF THAT FLOOR AREA, THAT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY USE. SO IT WOULD STILL OVERALL BE A B OCCUPANCY AND WOULD NOT BE IDENTIFIED, UH, AS AN E. SO THIS IS ROOMS IN OCCUPANCIES. THIS IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS THOSE KINDERGARTEN AND [02:20:01] DAYCARE PRIMARY USES. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ATTRACTING PEOPLE TO SAY, BRING YOUR KIDS HERE, WE'LL WATCH THEM. VERSUS YOU WORK HERE AND YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO WATCH YOUR KID DURING THE DAY. IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT, BUT UNDER THE CURRENT CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN, IT WOULD ALLOW IT ANYWHERE IN THE BUILDING. YOU'RE SAYING WE ARE LIMITING IT TO FIRST FLOOR ONLY, CORRECT. CORRECT. WELL, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF STORIES IN CHAPTER FIVE FOR A GROUP B OCCUPANCY. YEAH, I, I MEAN, ONE, THE ONLY THING, AND I I'M IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO REGISTER ON THE RECORD THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START THINKING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AS WE GET A LITTLE MORE URBAN IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA AND OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF A BUILDING IS USUALLY ON A MIXED USE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW WITH APARTMENTS AND ALL THAT IS RESERVED FOR THE RETAIL BECAUSE YOU WANT THE RETAIL COMPONENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR. AND SO I JUST THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPAND HOW WE LOOK AT THINGS TO BE ABLE TO, LIKE IN THE PEARL AREA, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT A DAYCARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PEARL, THEY'RE NOT GONNA PUT IT ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF, SO IT JUST DOES. SO IT WOULDN'T EXIST THERE. AND SO AS WE TRY TO CREATE MULTI-USE WALKABLE WHERE EVERYTHING IS AROUND, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT THIS CODE CYCLE, BUT NEXT CODE CYCLE, WE JUST NEED TO START CHANGING HOW WE THINK ABOUT STUFF. UM, AND TO ROBERT'S POINT, IT MAY BE A STATE ISSUE THAT WE'VE JUST DUPLICATED IN HERE FOR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS, BUT WE'LL LOOK OKAY. FIGURING OUT WAY TO MAKE IT MORE, THIS IS, UH, JEREMY MCDONALD, AND ACTUALLY I THINK WE'VE HAD A CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST TO COME IN OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY MEANT THE INTENT OF IT. YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T, DIDN'T A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WE'RE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT AVENUE ONCE AGAIN THROUGH THE CODE MODIFICATION FOR SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTS OF WE'RE GONNA MEET THE INTENT OF THIS. WE MAY NOT BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO GIVE THEM A DIRECT PATH, EASY ACCESS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF WITH MULTIPLE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO CROWD THEM AND GET THEM IN THE AREAS THAT THEY NEED SAFELY OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT THROUGH THE C M R WE CAN MEET THAT INTENT. THAT IS CORRECT. YES, SIR. CRYSTAL, I HAVE A GENERAL COMMENT. UM, THIS AMENDMENT IS CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER 10, UNDER GENERAL MEANS OF EGRESS, BUT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS EGRESS. IT'S ADDRESSING OCCUPANCIES AND STORIES. I'M WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE AN EXCEPTION TO SECTION 5 0 4 0.4, WHICH IS TABLE 5 0 4 0.4, THE NUMBER OF STORIES FOR THAT ARE PERMITTED FOR AN OCCUPANCY. WILLIAM, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE EX OF THIS AMENDMENT IS IT'S ALL ABOUT EGRESS. IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THE KIDS ABOVE THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE, OR BELOW IT, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO REACH THE EGRESS AND, AND EXCEPTION TWO DOES TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TWO EXTERIOR DOORS, YOU KNOW, IMPLICITLY FOR EGRESS. THAT, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. SO WE'RE GOOD TO KEEP AMENDMENT 45 AS AS WRITTEN WITH THAT ADDITIONAL, THOSE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUESTS. AND, UM, WE'LL GET TO 46, UH, COSA AMENDMENT FOR 10 0 4 0.5, WHICH I THINK IS JUST A CLARIFICATION. I, IF I REMEMBER LAST TIME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IT WAS JUST ABOUT CLARIFYING IF YOU HAVE A DECIMAL POINT, WHERE DOES IT GO? THAT'S EXACTLY IT. THAT'S, UH, WE'VE ADDED ONE SENTENCE THERE THAT SAYS YOU ROUND UP CONCERNS THERE. ALL RIGHT TO 47, WE GO, OKAY, 47, THAT'S A CHANGE. [02:25:01] UM, REALLY THIS, OH, THIS CHANGE IS ADDING, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR PANIC HARDWARE AND REFRIGERATION MACHINERY ROOMS THAT ARE GREATER THAN 1000 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT PANIC HARDWARE DEFINE TERMS THAT JUST LIKE A, AN EMERGENCY EXIT DOOR KIND OF. IT'S THERE. IT'S LIKE THE PUSH BAR. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY CONCERN ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. TO TWO, UH, 48 PLEASE. 48. THAT IS A CHANGE TO 10 0 8 0.2 0.1 ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR EXITS TO HAVE AT LEAST 10 FOOT CANDLES WHEN THE STAIRWAYS IN USE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS, UH, STATED NOT LESS THAN ONE. SO THAT'S, UH, WE LABELED THAT AS A COST INCREASE. UM, THAT CHANGE WILL PRODUCE, BUT UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN . THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. YEAH, WE'RE GETTING MORE LIGHTING. SO, UM, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT BY MATH, MY MATH, THAT'S A, A TENFOLD INCREASE IN FOOT CANDLE POWER. I MEAN, IS THAT REALLY, THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF CHANGE. LIKE THE WAY I LOOK AT THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN A STAIRWAY AND THEY ALREADY DICTATE, YOU KNOW, LIGHT FIXTURES AND LIGHTING LEVELS, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT DICTATES WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ILLUMINATION WITH PEOPLE WITH IMPAIRED VISION OR SOMETHING, I GUESS. SO, YOU KNOW, IT IT THE ACTUAL TO GET TO THE 10 FOOT CANDLES WITH THE FIXTURES THAT THEY'RE REQUIRING FOR EMERGENCY LIGHTING AND STAIRWELLS. YEAH. IS THAT PRETTY COMMON? I, I'M, I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT ANSWER. AND ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY CONCERN? OKAY, SO WE'LL GO TO, UH, 49. OKAY. 49 IS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT TO 10 0 8 0.3 0.6. AGAIN, UM, THIS IS FOR OCCUPANCIES AND IT REQUIRES, UM, EMERGENCY LIGHTING IN THOSE AREAS, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE WINDOWS AND HAVE, AND THEY HAVE STUDENT OCCUPANCY. AND THIS IS INHABITABLE SPACES? THAT'S CORRECT. AND AN INTERIOR STAIRS AND CORRIDORS. I WAS JUST THINKING OF STORAGE ROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW. CORRECT. AND WE HAVEN'T NOT RECEIVED ANY, UH, PUSHBACK OR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT, UM, FROM SCHOOLS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, OR OUR OTHER OCCUPANCIES. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH 49. WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO 50. OKAY, SO 50. WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT, WHICH STRIKES OUT SECTION 10 0 9 FOR ACCESSIBLE MEANS OF EGRESS. AND WE STATE THAT COMPLIANCE IS REQUIRED WITH THE STATE AND THE PROJECTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO T D L R FOR REVIEW. JUST ONE COMMENT, JUST FROM AN EDUCATION POINT OF VIEW, LIKE IN AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY, THE ONLY SECTION OF THE BUILDING THAT HAS TO DO, UH, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING WOULD BE THE OFFICE. EVERYTHING ELSE THERE FALLS UNDER THE FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND THERE IS NOBODY REVIEWING THAT OTHER THAN IF YOU DON'T DO IT RIGHT, YOU GET THE PRIVILEGE OF PAYING ABOUT $10 MILLION WHEN YOU'RE THROUGH WITH CONSTRUCTION TO THE PLAINTIFF GROUP. SO I, I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE [02:30:01] IS NO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FIRE CODE STUFF, BUT THERE IS NO A D A ONCE YOU GET PASSED THE OFFICE, NOTHING ON THE PROPERTY IS CONSIDERED UNDER A D A, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING THAT THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSE AND REGULATION REVIEWS. SO I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO REFERENCE THAT SOMEWHERE INTO THIS SECTION. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AMENDMENT, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT SOME POINT WHEN YOU GET A DIFFERENT GROUP OF CAST OUT HERE AND SOMEBODY SAYS YOUR PLANS AREN'T APPROVED BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH THE PROCESS ON A BIG MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING BECAUSE THE ONLY THING, THING THAT'S SUBJECT IS THE, WHAT I CALL THE COMMON AREA THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH WOULD ONLY BE IN MOST CASES THE OFFICE. SO YOU WOULD GET THE E A B, BUT IT DOES NOT COVER THE WHOLE PROJECT. IT JUST COVERS CERTAIN AREAS. BUT IT'S PROBABLY 95% OF THE PROJECT, ISN'T IT? NO, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 1% OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S ALL WE LOOK FOR IS THAT YOU HAVE THAT E A B NUMBER. SO IF YOU'RE YEAH. ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YEAH. OKAY. OR KEEP AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN, I SHOULD SAY. UH, 51. OKAY. 51, 10 POINT, 10.1 0.3 FORCES TO UNLATCH AND OPEN DOORS. THIS SECTION WAS REWRITTEN AND UM, THE ROTATIONAL FORCE WAS IDENTIFIED NOT TO EXCEED 2028 INCH POUNDS. SO THAT COORDINATES WITH THE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS. A ONE 17. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. WE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT OFFHAND. SO, ROBERT, QUESTION ROBERT, DO YOU WANNA HOLD ON TO THIS ONE OR ARE YOU YEAH, WE WANNA APPROVE IT AS LONG AS IT MEETS. THAT'S GOOD. JUST VERIFY. OKAY. SO WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN UNLESS YOU COME BACK TO US AND SAY THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE TOSS STANDARD, WHAT, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. OKAY. GOT IT. [02:35:01] ALRIGHT. UH, OKAY. AND THEN 52. OKAY. 52. YES. THIS ONE IS A DUPLICATED LANGUAGE FROM THE N E C. JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT IT'S IN I B C NOW FOR THAT PANIC HARDWARE AND ELECTRICAL ROOMS, 800 AMPS OR MORE. OKAY. 53. ALL RIGHT. 53 10, 16 0.2 EGRESS THROUGH INTERVENING SPACES. SO EGRESS IS PERMITTED THROUGH AN ENCLOSED ELEVATOR LOBBY. IF THAT SPACE ONLY REQUIRES ONE MEANS OF EGRESS SATISFACTORY. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY BETTER, EASIER, MORE OPTIONS PREVIOUSLY. GO AHEAD, WILLIAM. CAN, CAN WE SEE, UH, THE CODE LANGUAGE ON THE SCREEN? BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING WHERE IT SAYS ONE EXIT. YOU'RE SO GOOD. WE SPENT LOTS OF TIME WITH THIS ONE. THAT'S HOW WE READ IT. SO THE FIRST SENTENCE AGREED. WILLIAM SATISFIED? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND DON'T LEMME PUT PRESSURE ON YOU, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING. IF YOU'RE NOT, SAY IT. I MEAN WE'RE HERE FOR A REASON. COME BACK. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA APPROVE AS, UH, ADOPTED, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT NEXT MEETING AND COME BACK, UM, WE MIGHT REVISIT. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GO TO, UM, 54, 10 24 0.8. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS NEW SECTION AS WRITTEN THAT STATES IF THOSE EXTERIOR WALLS THAT ARE PART OF THE EXIT PASSAGEWAY ARE BUILT ON THE EXTERIOR. LET'S SEE. SO THOSE WALLS CLOSE TO IT SHALL BE RATED. UM, I THINK THEY HAVE SOME MEASUREMENTS AND DEGREES. THIS MIMICS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EXTERIOR STAIRS AND RAMPS. ANY CONCERN FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE 55 COMING UP ON TIME, BUT WE'VE ONLY GOT FOUR ITEMS LEFT TO GET THROUGH CHAPTER 10 COMPLETELY. I'D LIKE TO DO THAT IF WE, IF WE CAN HOLD ON PEOPLE HERE WE GO THROUGH 58, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA CUT CONVERSATION SHORT. IF WE NEED TO STOP, WE CAN UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN MAKING TIME. BUT CAVEAT, LET'S GO, LET'S GO 10 25 0.1. UM, THIS IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT. WE'RE GONNA BRING UP THAT LANGUAGE, NOT A CURRENT AMENDMENT. THIS IS NOT A CURRENT AMENDMENT. OH, THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT. OKAY, SO , WE'RE GOING TOO FAST MIKE. I'M SORRY. . SO THIS SECTION 10 25 REQUIRES LUMINOUS EGRESS PATH MARKINGS FOR HIGH RISE BUILDINGS. AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CMRS, 'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME HIGH RISE BUILDINGS GOING ON AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CMRS WHERE THEY COME AND SAY THESE LUMINOUS EGRESS PATH MARKINGS ARE JUST STICKERS THAT WE PUT ON THE HANDRAILS AND THAT WE PUT ON THE STEPS AND THEY DON'T LAST, THEY LAST TWO MONTHS AND SOME MAINTENANCE ISSUE AND THEN TWO MONTHS, SIX MONTHS, A YEAR LATER, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROTECTION, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST RELYING ON THEM TO MAINTAIN 'EM. SO WE'VE APPROVED, UM, TWO, UH, ONE WAS THE FROST BUILDING, RIGHT? ROLLING THE FROST. AND THE OTHER ONE WAS THE HILTON CANOPY, A C M R THAT STATED, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HERE, OH WAIT A SECOND. UM, THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA ADD AN EXCEPTION. SO THIS IS AN OPTION. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THOSE EGRESS PATH MARKINGS IN. WHEN YOU HAVE THE INTEGRAL, INTEGRAL BATTERY BACKUP LIGHTING, IT'S INSTALLED IN YOUR EXTERIOR STAIR [02:40:01] AND IT'S CAPABLE, CAPABLE OF INDICATING A FAILURE AND RELAYING THAT NOTIFICATION TO A SUPERVISED SYSTEM. SO WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY DONE THIS TWICE ON A C M R BASIS. SO WE'RE JUST PROPOSING IT AS AN OPTION. IT HAS TO BE BATTERY BACK, IT HAS TO, YEAH, THE ALUMINUM MARKINGS IS VERY REPETITIVE BECAUSE THE CODE ALREADY REQUIRES ALL EXIT PATHWAYS, STAIRS TO HAVE EMERGENCY LIGHTING IN THERE. IT'S USUALLY IN AN OUTLET AND THEN THE POWER GOES OFF, THE LIGHTS COME ON. SO, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, AND MAYBE WILLIAM, YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. THIS IS WHY THE MARKINGS WERE EVER INCLUDED ANYWAY, UNLESS IT'S IN EXISTING FACILITIES. 'CAUSE FOR THE PAST HOWEVER MANY YOUNGER YEARS YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD TO HAVE THIS EMERGENCY LIGHTING IN STAIRWELLS. IS THERE A SITUATION WHERE THE BATTERY MIGHT FAIL AND, AND PEOPLE ARE LEFT IN THE DARK, SO SEEMS LIKE IT'S HARD. SO JUST LIKE SO DOES, DOES EACH LIGHT, DOES EACH LIGHT THAT'S ON BATTERY BACKUP HAVE ITS OWN BATTERY CONNECTED TO IT? OR IS IT WIRED TO A CENTRAL BATTERY? NO, NO. YEAH, WHEN YOU BUY THOSE LIGHT FIXTURES, MIKE, THEY, THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL BATTERY TO THAT FIXTURE. THANK YOU. I'M GOOD WITH IT. ANYBODY ELSE? CRYSTAL, IS THIS LANGUAGE THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT YOU APPROVED AS THE EXCEPTION OR DID YOU ADD THE SUPERVISED SYSTEM? IT IS VERBATIM WHAT WAS APPROVED, UH, FOR THE CMRS VERBATIM. PERFECT. ALRIGHT. 56 PLEASE. CRYSTAL, I I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO HIGH RISES. SO HIGH RISES ALREADY HAVE A GENERATOR MOST LIKELY, AND THE EMERGENCY LIGHTING SYSTEM'S ALREADY CONNECTED TO THE GENERATOR AND THE HIGH RISE IS ALREADY REQUIRED TO HAVE EMERGENCY LIGHTING IN THE STAIRWELLS. SO AM I PUTTING A SECOND LAMP WITH BATTERY BACKUP INTO THE STAIRWELLS IN ADDITION TO MY PRIMARY POWER THEN MY GENERATOR? NOW THE BATTERY BACKUP OR IS IT THE UNITS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE GENERATOR ARE SOMEHOW ALSO HAVE A BATTERY ATTACHED TO THEM IN THE STAIRWELL? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. CHANGE. THIS IS, UH, JEREMY, I CAN ANSWER THAT FAIRLY QUICK. SO YEAH, IT, IT IS THE REDUNDANCY, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT THE ILLUMINATED LIGHTING OR STICKERS WAS, RIGHT, IS IN THE EVENT OF A HIGH RISE WHERE YOU LOST POWER, THEN YOU LOST GENERATOR AND YOU NOW HAVE NO ELIMINATION IN THE STAIRWELL. YOU NEEDED THOSE ELIMINATED STRIPES TO SEE THE STAIRS AS YOU WENT DOWN. OUR EXCEPTION TO THAT IS NOW SAYING, LOOK, IF, IF YOU ADD AN EXTRA OF REDUNDANCY, SO YOU HAVE PRIMARY POWER GENERATOR BACKUP AND A GENERATOR GOES DOWN FOR SOME REASON, NOW YOU HAVE BATTERY BACKUP, WHICH FOR THE LIGHTING ITSELF, IT WOULDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER IT'S ON GENERATOR OR PRIMARY, IT'S JUST CONNECTED TO AN EMERGENCY CIRCUIT FAULT, KICKS BACK OVER TO BATTERY. AND THEN WE WANT SOMETHING THAT INDICATES THAT SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S INDICATING IF THERE'S A LOW BATTERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN THERE'S SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO, TO CHECK THAT WITH THE SUPERVISORS, UH, SUPERVISORY SIGNAL AT A MANNED LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW MR. CHAIRMAN, WHETHER WE WANT TO CONSIDER ADDING SOME LANGUAGE AS TO THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE BATTERY HAS TO RUN. RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE IT'S TWO HOURS FOR THE GENERATOR. UH, YOU HAVE TO SHOW TWO HOURS OF, UH, POWER. UH, SO IF THE GENERATOR WENT OUT IMMEDIATELY, SHOULD WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THE BATTERY NEEDS TO BE CAPABLE OF RUNNING FOR TWO HOURS? JEREMY CORRECT ME IF I, YOU KNOW THE FROG EYES. WELL I I THINK HE KNOWS WHAT THE LIGHTS ARE. I THINK HE'S ASKING IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR HOW LONG THOSE BATTERIES LAST? RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH, I'VE DONE A LOT OF EMERGENCE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF EMERGENCY LIGHTING TESTS WITH BATTERY PACKS, THE FROG FROGEYE AND SUCH AND THEY UM, THEY DE-ENERGIZE AFTER A WHILE AND YOU, YOU HAVE TO TEST THEM AT, UH, INITIALLY AND THEN ALSO AT 90 MINUTES FOR ILLUMINATION AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE OUT BY THE TIME YOU COME BACK AT 90 MINUTES. [02:45:21] SO IS THAT A STANDARD WE NEED TO CREATE IN THIS OR IS THAT STANDARD ALREADY WRITTEN SOMEWHERE THAT A BATTERY BACKUP LASTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME? I I MEAN IT'S WHAT YOU SUGGESTED. IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. I'M ASSUMING THAT SOMETHING IN THE FIRE CODE OR THE ELECTRIC CODE GIVES THE STANDARD OF THE FIXTURE THAT COUNTS AS AN EMERGENCY LIGHTING WITH BATTERY BACKUP SOMEWHERE. DID YOU KNOW THAT? CORRECT. BUT I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THIS AMENDMENT AT LEAST REFER TO THAT SECTION EITHER IN THE BUILDING CODE OR FIRE CODE WHEREVER IT RESIDES. YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. 'CAUSE I KNOW ON THE C M R THEY USED A SPECIFIC PRODUCT THAT WE APPROVED FOR THAT AND THAT HAD SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE FOR, FOR THAT PRODUCT. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THIS IS ADDED SO THAT IT ENCOMPASSES ALL TYPES OF PRODUCTS THAT HAVE THAT SUPERVISOR FOR YOUR SIGNAL CAPABILITY. I THAT IS CORRECT. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO REFERENCE SOMETHING FOR THE SIGNAL AS MUCH AS YOU NEED TO REFERENCE. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THE LIGHT MEETS THE SAME STANDARD THAT WOULD BE ANYWHERE, CORRECT? YEAH, WE'LL FIND A DEFINITION OF OF LIMITED THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF MINUTES THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ELIMINATED ONCE MOVED INTO BATTERY BACKUP. SO WHAT, 'CAUSE MY GUESS IS THE SUPERVISORY SYSTEM OVER TIME IS GONNA CHANGE WHERE IT, AT ONE POINT IT HAD TO BE HARDWIRED. NOW IT PROBABLY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, BLUETOOTH OR SOME OTHER WAY THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH, WE DID NOT SPECIFY, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IN OUR MINDS THE EASIEST IS A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM JUST 'CAUSE IT'S RAN UP IN THE, THE, THE SYSTEM ANYWAYS, USUALLY IN THOSE STAIRWELLS, BUT IF THEY HAD ANY MEANS WHATSOEVER, WIRELESS ARE NON WIRED, UH, THEY THAT WAS VIABLE AS WELL. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'LL TABLE 55 TO GET THAT LANGUAGE INVESTIGATED TO, TO MAYBE PUT INTO THAT AMENDMENT. UH, CRYSTAL ARE WE ALLOWED TO GO OVER OUR TIME OR JEREMY ARE WE ALLOWED TO GO OVER TIME OR DO WE HAVE TO STOP NOW? NO, NO WE WERE GOOD TO GO OVER AS LONG AS THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE. OKAY SO WE CAN LET, IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH JUST DOING THOSE LAST THREE ITEMS IN CHAPTER 10 AND THEN CALLING AND I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND ON THAT WHEN WE JUST APPROVE IT AND THEY'LL SLIP IN THE, THE DEAL AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WE'LL CATCH IT LATER RATHER THAN HAVING TO SEE WHICH STANDARD IT MEETS. 'CAUSE IT'S JUST THE LIKE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANNA TABLE THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO 56. OKAY, 56 IS A CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT ADDING 10 27 0.7 FOR EXTERIOR FIRE ESCAPES. SO THIS ALLOWS THOSE EXISTING FIRE ESCAPES, UM, UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, THEY'RE SHOWING UM, TO BE ADEQUATE, YOU CAN USE THEM FOR YOUR EMERGENCY EGRESS. WE SEE THESE ON SOME EXISTING BUILDINGS, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF EXITING, UM, AND THEY NEED TO USE THE FIRE ESCAPEE AS ONE OF THOSE EMERGENCY EXITS. AND YOU'RE MAKING NO CHANGES TO THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THAT. PROBABLY ONCE WHEN UH, THEY'RE COMING IN FOR REVIEW, THERE'S A FIRE IN THE BUILDING. JUST CURIOUS. IN THE PAST, ROBERT, UH, THE CITY DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER TO GO OUT AND DO A LOAD TEST AND SUBMIT THAT TO SHOW THAT IT, IT WAS STILL STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND OPERABLE. I GO OUT, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN DO THE THING BECAUSE THE TENANT FINISH OUT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A BUILDING INSPECTION FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING, SO NO. ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM 57, 57 AND 58 ARE BOTH, UM, CHANGES TO 10 30. SO THAT'S FOR ASSEMBLY SPACES. ASSEMBLY USES. SO THAT ONE IS UH, AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS. SO THIS IS, UM, REQUIREMENTS MIMICKED FROM THE SMOKE PROTECTED ASSEMBLY SEATING NOW, NOW REQUIRES, UH, SPRINKLERS FOR OPEN AIR ASSEMBLY SEATING SPACES. THAT SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO WHAT WAS REQUIRED PREVIOUSLY? [02:50:01] NO, NOT DID YOU SAY NOT SIGNIFICANT? WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT CHANGE. IT DIDN'T EVEN LAND IN JOE'S SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BOOK. ALRIGHT, IF IT'S NOT EVEN IN JOE'S BOOK THEN I THINK IF WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY OKAY WITH IT. AWESOME. THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, ADDRESS AS SOCIAL STAIRS. UH, THIS ONE IS IN THE BOOK, UM, AND HANDRAIL REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THOSE COLLABORATIVE USE SPACES. THERE'S NO PICTURE IN THE I B C, BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY IMAGINE, UM, SOCIAL STAIRS A DEFINED TERM. IS IT ITALICIZED? I'M GONNA PASS ALONG A PICTURE. SO THOSE THAT MAY HAVE LIKE A SEATING COMPONENT IN A STAIR FORMATION, DID THAT EXPLAIN KIND OF WHAT WE SAW THERE? DO THOSE SOCIAL STAIRS HAVE TO HAVE HANDRAILS ALL THROUGHOUT? IT SAYS ON ONE SIDE, RIGHT? WHERE, WHERE THEY, THEY HAVE THE SEATING. I MEAN IN THE ONES THAT I HAVE SEEN LIKE THAT THEY'RE USUALLY HUGE AND THEY RUN, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 40 OR 50 FEET. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT TWO, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THAT AND ONE WITHIN 30 INCHES OF THE END. YEAH, I MEAN THEY HAVE THIS STUFF AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD APPLY ALL ALONG THE RIVER WALK WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE IN THE PEARL HAS ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY I WOULD CALL SOCIAL STAIRS BACK TO GET TO THE RIVER WHERE THEY HAVE SEATING AND YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WOULD BE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT. 24 INCHES REQUIRES TWO. YES. AND THAT, UM, ONE HANDRAIL AGAINST THE WALL AS ROBERT MENTIONED IN THE OTHER ONE, SHOWS IN THE ILLUSTRATION, UH, 30 INCH MAX FROM THE SEATING AREA, 30 INCH MAX FROM THE SEATING AREA. DOES THAT MEAN ANY SPOT HAS TO HAVE IT WITHIN 30 INCHES? IT'S 30 INCHES FROM THE AISLE, FROM THE END, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THAT SEATING AREA. 30 INCHES. AND THERE'S YOUR HANDRAIL. OKAY. I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE THESE BIG, GIANT STAIRS, I MEAN, IF YOU NEED HANDRAILS ANYWHERE, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE ON THESE IN THAT REGARD. JUST AS A, AS A LAYMAN LOOKING AT IT, TO ME, IT, IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THESE RAILS. I MEAN, FOR THE MOST PART THOUGH, THERE THE, THERE'S A STEP, THERE'S A SET OF STEPS ON THE SIDE OF EVERY ONE OF THESE SEATING AREAS THAT IF THEY'RE SMART, THEY PUT THE HANDRAILS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, WHERE YOU CAN GO DOWN ON BOTH SIDES, LIKE AT A FOOTBALL STADIUM, RIGHT? I THINK THIS REALLY JUST HELPS US DICTATE WHERE THOSE HANDRAILS ARE REQUIRED TO GO. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ADOPTING AS WRITTEN. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH CHAPTER 10, WHICH IS ITEMS ALL THE WAY THROUGH 59. UM, SO I'M GONNA ACCEPT THE MOTION. I'D LIKE TO READ OUT THE ONES THAT WE'VE TABLED. AND THEN IF, UH, AFTER I'VE DONE THAT, IF SOMEONE COULD JUST SAY, GIMME A MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, ADOPT AS WRITTEN WHAT WE'VE DONE. SO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM EIGHT, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN TABLED FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT INPUT 1821, [02:55:02] UM, 21, ARE YOU TALKING AMENDMENT ITEM 21, WHICH IS, UH, 9 0 6 0.331. UM, WE'VE TABLED THAT FOR CLARITY. UM, AND THEN ITEMS 40 THROUGH 44 AND 55, WE'VE TABLED, UH, FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, UM, OR FOR THE DISCUSSION ITEM 19, UH, WE MADE A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THE LANGUAGE, UM, AND WE AGREED TO TO THAT AS IT WAS TYPED IN AND 45, UM, WE'VE ADOPTED. UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION REQUESTS, UH, TO BE ANSWERED AT SOME POINT. AND 51, UH, WE APPROVED, UM, UNLESS THE TASK STANDARD IS, IS, IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE WRITTEN. SO WITH ALL THOSE CHANGES IN MIND, ITEMS THROUGH 58, I'D ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AS DISCUSSED. ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE THAT MOTION? CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION PLEASE? SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. DO, DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO ONE IF BEFORE IN, IN ANOTHER MEETING IF WE'VE RESEARCHED SOMETHING AND COME BACK WITH A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. ANYTHING THAT WE APPROVE NOW UNTIL HONESTLY, UNTIL IT GOES THROUGH COUNCIL AND THE, AND THE FULL BOARD, WE CAN COME BACK TO ANYTHING. BUT THIS IS JUST TO SAY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE AND AS LONG AS YOU'RE ON THE AFFIRMATIVE SIDE OF THE VOTE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE VOTE, SO I, I'LL REREAD THOSE. CRYSTAL, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I NOTED OR JASMINE? NOPE, EXACTLY THE SAME AS YOU READ. ALL RIGHT. SO IF I COULD GET THAT MOTION, UNLESS, UNLESS WILLIAM, YOU DO WANT ME TO REPEAT WHAT I, WHAT I SAID. OKAY. CAN I GET A SECOND THEN? ROBERT HANLEY SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? NO. WE'LL MOVE TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NO. ABSTENTIONS. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD. , WELL THAT THAT IS ONE THING WE WANTED TO DISCUSS REAL FAST, SO I KNOW WE'D MEET TOMORROW. ONE O'CLOCK. SAME TIME. UH, TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION, UH, WE DID MAKE EXCELLENT MO YOU KNOW, WE, WE BASED THIS OFF OF LAST CYCLE. WE NEEDED SIX MEETINGS FOR THE I B C LAST FOR THE 2018. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE USED AS A BASIS POINT FOR HAVING SIX OF THESE SCHEDULED. UH, SO THERE'S OPTIONS. WE CAN, UH, EITHER MOVE THE I E B C UP, WHICH IS ONLY SCHEDULED FOR ONE WEEK AND UH, MOVE IT FORWARD. UM, BUT I DO WANNA ALSO MENTION I HAVE HAD THE DISABILITY ACCESS OFFICE FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO REACH OUT TO ME. UH, THERE IS A CHANGE THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO THE CODE. UH, THEY'LL BE HERE TO PRESENT THAT. I HAVEN'T GOT A SCHEDULE ON WHAT DAY THEY WANT TO COME. I JUST GIVE THEM THE SIX DATES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE SCHEDULED. AND WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS LOOK AT ADULT CHANGING STATIONS. SO I KNOW WE DID BABY CHANGE, UH, ADULT CHANGING STATIONS, ADDING THE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. AND WITHIN THE I B C, SO ABOUT 2019, 2020, WE DID A BABY CHANGING STATION REQUIREMENT AND WE DID A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THAT. I WANNA SAY WE HAD TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT MEETINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. UH, WE'LL, WE'LL, SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT LOAD THAT WILL TAKE. UM, I DID GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF FINE POINTS TO LOOK AT AND TRY TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE SAME INFORMATION WE HAD WHEN IT CAME TO THE BABY CHANGING STATIONS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SOLD. WE'RE MEETING IN JULY TO TALK TO THEN , I I, WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT? I WOULD PUT THAT AT THE END BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF DISCUSSION. WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE ABOUT THAT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER, UH, JEREMY IF IT WAS A SIX SIGNATURE MEMO OR SOME COUNSEL THAT ASKED THAT, THE PROBLEM IS, UH, THAT REQUIREMENT ON CITY BUILDINGS AND ANY REMODELINGS IS GONNA BE CUMBERSOME IF YOU HAVE TO RETROFIT A RESTROOM TO ALLOW FOR AN ADULT BABY. CHANGING STATION IS A PIECE OF CAKE. BUT AN ADULT CHANGING STATION IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT LOGISTICS AND SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW THAT, I UNDERSTAND IT ON NEW, BUT WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE, IT WAS ALL CITY PROJECTS OR CITY FUNDED PROJECTS AND IT'S GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE FOR PEOPLE TO REMODEL, UH, AN EXISTING RESTROOM TO ALLOW THAT FEATURE. CORRECT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DON'T WANNA GO TOO FAR INTO THAT CONVERSATION. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY BEING BROUGHT TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT FROM THE CITY. I'M JUST GONNA GIVE THEM THE FORUM, UH, TO HELP OUT WITH THAT. BUT WE DO WANNA GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO COME MEET WITH THIS COMMITTEE. I, I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE NOT MOVE UP THE CYCLES BECAUSE IF WE FINISH, I AM NOT GONNA BE HERE NEXT WEEK AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE PARTICIPATE IN THAT STUFF. AND SO BECAUSE WE'RE WAY AHEAD, I WOULD PROPOSE WE, IF WE FINISH TOMORROW THAT WE JUST, NEXT WEEK'S MEETINGS JUST GET CANCELED. SO, I'M SORRY, MARK. I WAS, I'M, I KNOW I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT, UH, MAYBE SINCE WE'RE AHEAD AND WE HAVE SIX MEETINGS SCHEDULED, MAYBE WE DON'T MEET ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON FROM ONE TO FOUR. IT'S JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING FOR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I MEAN, [03:00:01] IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE. I DON'T WANT TO DICTATE TO ANYTHING. I'M NOT SURE IF , I UNDERSTAND JEREMY, BUT IT'S BETTER TO GET AHEAD THAN GET BEHIND. AGREED. YES, SIR. BUT NO, I MEAN, AS THE COMMITTEE, Y'ALL, Y'ALL DICTATE TO ME Y'ALL SCHEDULE AND Y'ALL LET ME KNOW, UH, WHAT Y'ALL WANNA DO UNLESS CHRIS, UH, JEREMY CHAIRMAN THING, WOULD YOU UPDATE THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT QUITE ACCURATE ACCORDING TO MY NOTES. AND SUBSEQUENT, AND THIS IS DATED JANUARY 26TH AND YOU HAD IDENTIFIED MECHANICAL PLUMBING, BUT THE BUILDING CODE, IT SHOWS WE'RE MEETING TODAY, TOMORROW, MONDAY, TUESDAY. IS THAT, YEAH, I THINK I'VE UPDATED A FEW TIMES. ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT ACTUALLY PROBABLY SAYS WE'RE MEETING ON THE 31ST, WHICH IS A CITY HOLIDAY AS WELL. BUT, BUT I WILL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK AND GET THE RIGHT ONE UP TO YOU, SIR. BUT I DO HAVE EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE MEETING SCHEDULES ACTUALLY AS A CALENDAR INVITE AT THIS POINT. SO WILLIAM HUDSON, I DEFINITELY USE THE CALENDAR INVITE AS YOUR POINT OF REFERENCE AND NOT THOSE OLD EMAILS. OKAY. OKAY. WILLIAM, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WE TOMORROW ITEMS USING ALL THIS. FAIR ENOUGH. I WAS TRYING TO BE LAZY. YOU KILLED ME ON IT. IF WE TAKE, IF WE DON'T GET THROUGH THE LIST TOMORROW, THAT'S FINE. KEEP ME OKAY. A VOTE TO REMEMBER. THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT WE VOTE. WE VOTE ON THE TO YOU ARE. YEAH, IT WAS, YOU SAID, YOU SAID APPROVE. I SAY I YOU SAID I, YEAH, . YES SIR. OKAY, LET THE RECORD REFLECT. OKAY, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SO THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO CONTINUE WITH OUR MEETING AT ONE O'CLOCK TOMORROW? YEAH, WE'LL STAY ALONE WITH ONE O'CLOCK TOMORROW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN, YEAH, AND THEN WHAT I'LL DO BASED OFF OF, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANY ISSUES WITH THAT, I WILL RECOMMEND THAT THE OFFICE OF, UH, DISABILITY ACCESS OFFICE, UH, LOOKS AT THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED IN TWO WEEKS. I'M THINKING THIS MIGHT TAKE TWO MEETINGS, NOT THAT IT'LL TAKE SIX HOURS AS A WHOLE, BUT IDEALLY WE PRESENT, THEY PRESENT TO Y'ALL ONCE, GET SOME FEEDBACK, GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO KIND OF COME BACK AROUND. WE MAY NOT NEED TO COME BACK SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS THE SAME COMMITTEE THAT'S GONNA BE MEETING TO SEE THE I F C. I CAN ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA JUST BECAUSE WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE I B C. WE HAVE THE NEXT 10 WEEKS OF THESE MEETINGS TO KIND OF FILL THAT IN AS WELL. JEREMY, ON THE I F C UH, DISCUSSION, WILL WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE FIRE MARKET? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT WILL BE RELAY ABOUT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. I I, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT IF WE DON'T HAVE THEIR INPUT, CORRECT. EXACTLY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S IN A RUSH. LEMME JUST GO THROUGH THIS SPIEL REAL FAST. SO, UM, I KNOW WE GOT A FEW MEMBERS, BUT THIS IS ALL MOSTLY FOR THE, UH, PEOPLE WATCHING FROM HOME OR WATCHING THE RECORDINGS. UH, WE DO HAVE ALL THIS INFORMATION POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE HERE. UH, ALSO DISCUSSING, UH, PRESENTING THE DRAFTS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH. WE TRY TO UPDATE THOSE WEEKLY, UH, MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND CAN BE REVIEWED, UH, AT ANY TIME AT THIS EMAIL ADDRESS OR I'M SORRY, AT THIS, UM, WEBSITE HERE. AND THEN ANY COMMENTS ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, IF THEY AREN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT TO ANY OF THESE MEETINGS, THEY CAN EMAIL US AT B RFC AAB@SANANTONIO.GOV AND WE WOULD READ THOSE EMAILS INTO THE RECORD FOR THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION. AND THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE DIRECTOR'S REPORTS. JEREMY, IF THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS, WE DO WEBEX, NOT WEBEX. UM, IT'S, IT'S STREAMED LIVE, SO THEY HAVE ALL CAPABILITIES TO WATCH THIS LIVE AND RECORDED. UM, BUT WE, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT AND TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT AVENUE IF WE NEED TO. UH, BUT WE DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE MOSTLY KEEPING IT AS A RECORDING OR LIVE STREAM AND UH, IN OFFICE. BUT THAT'S WHERE IF SOMEBODY HAS A COMMENTS, THEY CAN EMAIL US THAT OR CALL ME OR TALK TO ME AND I'M HAPPY TO RELAY THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. AND THEN THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR STAFF. THANKS JEREMY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEREMY ORBA AND STAFF? THERE'S NO PUBLIC TO FOR INPUT, SO, UM, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. , THEY BE YOU THEN. WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SAY IT'S, UH, IT'S FOUR 20 AND WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANKS. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.