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I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 6TH, 2022.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE.
HAVE YOU JOINED THE MEETING? I'M HERE.
LA PHONE IS ABSENT AND FE HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES.
FOR THE MEETING, WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN, AND THE VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY MASKS OR STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON, THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.
FOR THOSE PER APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY.
APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY.
WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK, WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT SLANDEROUS, THREATENING, OR DISPARAGING COMMENTS.
ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER.
THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE, SHOUTING, VERBAL INTIMIDATION OR PHYSICAL ACTIONS THAT COULD BE REASONABLY CONSTRUED AS THREATENING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, THE FIRST IS A ADDITION TO STAFF.
AMY FULKERSON IS JOINING US TODAY.
UM, SHE'S OUR NEW HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST, UH, WITH OUR SCOUTS A PROGRAM.
SO YOU'LL SEE HER REPRESENTING DESIGNATION CASES AND SOME DEMOLITION REQUESTS MOVING FORWARD HERE AT THE COMMISSION.
UM, THE NEXT IS IT'S APRIL, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GOING TO START PROMOTING OUR PRESERVATION MONTH EVENTS IN MAY.
UM, OUR SIGNATURE EVENT THIS YEAR IS OUR HISTORIC HOMEOWNER AFFAIR, UH, COMING BACK FINALLY AS AN IN-PERSON EVENT.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE SATURDAY, MAY 7TH FROM 10:30 AM TO 3:30 PM AT TRIPOINT, UM, WHICH IS ON ST.
UM, SO WE HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE.
UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, CONTRACTORS AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS AS WELL AS KIND OF PRODUCT SPONSORS, UM, LINED UP FOR THE EVENT.
AND SO IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE FOR ANYBODY WITH AN OLDER OR HISTORIC HOME, UH, THAT WANTS TO COME AND LEARN ABOUT HOW TO MAINTAIN AND CARE FOR THEIR HOUSE.
UM, THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS AND, UM, OTHER, UH, OPPORTUNITIES, UH, LED BY STAFF DURING THE DAY.
SO IT'S A GREAT, UH, CHANCE TO COME OUT AND MEET EVERYONE, UM, AND LEARN ABOUT, UH, HOW
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THE PROCESS WORKS.[Approval of Minutes]
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO, UH, CONSIDERATION OF H C R C MINUTES FROM MARCH 16TH.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM MARCH 16TH AS SUBMITTED.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
TO OUR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, UM, IS USUALLY WHERE WE PLAY VOICEMAILS OR HEAR CITIZENS HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR CASES.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE TODAY.
UM, YOU'LL SEE WE DO HAVE ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS 2 2 2 BROOKS.
UM, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SAVINO NEEDS TO RECUSE FROM THAT ITEM.
UM, AND SO I THINK WHAT IS PROBABLY BEST IF YOU JUST RECUSE FROM THE FULL CONSENT AGENDA AND IF THERE ARE NO ITEMS THAT ARE GONNA BE PULLED BY COMMISSIONERS THAT WE CAN TAKE A VOTE NOW, ACTUALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU WANNA BE RECOGNIZED? UH, YES.
I WANTED TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR AS A POINT OF PRIVILEGE ON, UM, SOME MINOR ITEMS, BUT I THINK, UM, IMPORTANT NONETHELESS, I WANTED TO CLARIFY OR CORRECT POINTS IN THREE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA CASES SO THAT GOING FORWARD THE INFORMATION IS CLEAR.
SOMETIMES ITEMS THAT START OFF AS MINOR ERRORS, UH, TEND TO HAVE A LARGER IMPACT FARTHER DOWN, UH, DOWN THE ROAD THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AND REVIEWS.
SO, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE IS, UH, CASE NUMBER TWO AT 6 34 CEDAR, UM, UNDER FINDING E HEIGHT INCREASE IT READS, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INCREASE THE TOP PLATE HEIGHT OF A REAR OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BY APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET 10 INCHES FOR A TOTAL NEW HEIGHT OF APPROXIMATELY 14 FEET ZERO INCHES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE TOTAL NEW BUILDING HEIGHT IS THE 14, UH, 14 FEET RATHER THAN THE PLATE HEIGHT.
UM, CASE NUMBER 7 3 1 1 FERGUSON, IT'S ACTUALLY A INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK.
SO AS A LANDMARK, IT HAS THE GUIDELINES APPLIED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.
CASE NUMBER 10 36 18 MCCULLOUGH.
IT JUST NEEDS A MINOR CORRECTION FOR FINDING D UH, THE TEXT IS CI LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE TEXT WOULD NEED TO BE APPLICABLE TO MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO, UM, THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE FINDINGS STILL ACCURATE BASED ON THAT? BUT THAT'S, UH, MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT WE CATCH LITTLE THINGS EARLY TO AVOID, UH, COMMUNICATION AND OTHER ISSUES FURTHER DOWN THE LINE.
AND NOW COMMISSIONER SAVINO WILL RECUSE HERSELF.
UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SNO HAS LEFT THE ROOM AND I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS, UH, ONE THROUGH SEVEN AND NINE THROUGH 13 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND INCORPORATION OF THE CLARIFICATIONS THAT OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER JUST GAVE US FOR CASES TWO, SEVEN AND 10.
DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE CASE NUMBER EIGHT? OH, I'M SORRY, YES.
AND INCLUDE CASE NUMBER EIGHT.
I SECOND THE MOTION COMMISSIONER GIVES A SECOND.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A MOTION, IT'S ALL ITEMS RIGHT ON CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, YES, IT'S ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13, ALL ITEMS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND, UH, CLARIFICATION.
AND SECOND, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
VICIOUS ABSENT S RECUSED VELASQUEZ IS ABSENT AND MORALES IS ABSENT.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 70 23 SYMPHONY LANE, 6 34 CEDAR ONE 12 SOLADA 1122 MISSION ROAD, 40 0 2 ROOSEVELT 1 29 WEST AGARITA THREE 11 FERGUSON 2 22 BROOKS, 2 0 7 HERMINE 36 18 MCCULLOUGH ONE 16 CAMARGO 2 0 7 Y OAK AND HEMIS FAIR BOULEVARD.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER
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OF THIS HEARING.IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
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SO, AGENDA ITEM 14.AGENDA ITEM 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 5 4 14 22 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, A REQUEST FOR REVIEW BY THE H D R C REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1422 SOUTH ST.
FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA UNDER U D C SECTION 35 6 0 7 B IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
STAFF FINDS THAT 1422 SOUTH ST.
MARY STREET MEETS TWO CRITERIA.
THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G AND DOES NOT RECOMMEND A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HISTORIC AND DISPUTE, HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE, DARRELL OLEN BUSCH.
DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE OWNER HERE OR ONLINE? YOU CAN SEND ME A MESSAGE ONLINE IF YOU'RE VIRTUALLY.
UM, SO I GUESS LET'S FIRST HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, MR. OLAND BUSH, UM, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR REQUEST AND THEN, UM, WE'LL SEE IF THE OWNER'S ABLE TO JOIN US.
UH, I'LL READ WHAT I SUBMITTED AND, UH, SINCE I GUESS STAFF IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT, UM, I, UH, MY NAME IS DARYL OLEN BUSH.
I LIVE ON LABOR STREET IN THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I'M AN ARCHITECT AND EDUCATOR AT U T S A.
UM, AND I PASS BY THIS BUILDING ON A PRETTY MUCH A DAILY BASIS ON MY WALKS AROUND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I, UH, NOTED THAT THE BUILDING WAS FOR SALE SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, OR SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AT THIS POINT.
AND, UM, I AM APPRECIATIVE OF, UH, ONE PART OF THE BUILDING, KIND OF THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ACCESS TO THE IMAGES FROM SANBORNTON FIRE INSURANCE MAPS THAT I, I SUBMITTED, UH, WITH MY REQUEST.
UM, BUT THERE WAS A STRUCTURE ON THIS SITE, WHICH IS APPARENTLY THE BRICK STRUCTURE THAT YOU SEE, THE ILLUSTRATION OR THE IMAGE, I THINK IT'S ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN AT THIS POINT.
UM, SO, UH, THE TEXT THAT I SUBMITTED, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM THE MAP AT AT LEAST THE VERSION THAT I SAW ONLINE, UH, WHETHER THIS BUILDING, UH, PRE, UH, DATES FROM EARLIER THAN 1951, BUT IT CERTAINLY APPEARS ON THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS, UM, BY 1951.
AND, UM, IT IS PART OF, UH, WHAT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN A COMPLEX OF A GAS STATION AND AUTO REPAIR SHOP, UH, AT THAT LOCATION SINCE AT LEAST 1951.
SO IT MAKES IT 71 YEARS OLD AS OF THIS YEAR.
UM, I, UH, BELIEVE THAT IT MEETS THREE CRITERIA OF THE, UH, FROM THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
NUMBER ONE, UH, ITS VALUE, VALUE IS A VISIBLE OR ARCHEOLOGICAL REMINDER OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS AN EARLY AND SURVIVING EXAMPLE OF AUTOMOBILE REPAIR STRUCTURES, UH, ALONG SOUTH ST.
MARY'S AND SOUTH PRESA, WHICH WERE, UH, THE PRIMARY ROOTS OUT OF DOWNTOWN FROM, UM, UH, FROM DOWNTOWN TO, TO SOUTH TEXAS, UH, PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
UM, AND, UH, CERTAINLY THE, THE CULTURE OF AUTO SERVICE AND AUTO REPAIR, UH, IN THAT AREA IS, IS PART OF THE CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND, UH, ALMOST THERE'S STILL ARE A FEW, UH, UH, REMNANTS OF THAT, INCLUDING THIS BUILDING.
UM, SINCE IT'S STILL USED, UH, AT LEAST, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT OWNER AS A A AUTO REPAIR BODY SHOP, I'VE TAKEN MY VEHICLES THERE FOR REPAIR FROM TIME TO TIME.
SO THAT'S CRITERIA NUM CRITERION NUMBER ONE, CRITERION NUMBER FIVE, IT'S EMBODIMENT OF DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE VALUABLE TO THE STUDY OF A PERIOD TYPE METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION.
UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, REGARDLESS OF ITS DATE PRIOR TO 1951, UM, IT IS A, A LOAD BEARING BRICK STRUCTURE, WHICH MAKES IT A RELATIVELY LATE, UH, EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, THE ROOF STRUCTURE WITH THE SCISSOR TRUSSES IS INTACT.
UH, SO AGAIN, KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF A, UH, A FAIRLY INTACT EXAMPLE OF, UM, THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT MANY OF THESE GAS STATION AND AUTO REPAIR SERVICE, UM, STRUCTURES, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THEY, AND MANY OF THEM WERE, BUT RELATIVELY FEW STILL EXIST.
UH, AND THEN I BELIEVE ALSO NUMBER SIX, THE CRITERIA NUMBER SIX, UM, IT'S HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL CHARACTER AS A PARTICULARLY FINER, UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF A UTILITARIAN STRUCTURE.
UM, SO BASICALLY, UM, IT'S SORT OF, UH, UNDER THIS CRITERION SOME OF THE, SOME THE, SOME OF THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS AS THE PREVIOUS, UM, THAT IT, UH, NOT ONLY IS IT INTACT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE,
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UH, CHARACTER OF THE AREA AND ITS HISTORY WITH, UH, AUTOMOBILE SERVICE AND GAS STATIONS.AND, UH, WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OF HERE, THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR OF, UH, THE HISTORIC GAS STATIONS, WHICH WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY SURVEY, UH, O H P SURVEY, I FORGET EXACTLY HOW LONG AGO.
10, 10 OR MAYBE EIGHT OR 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, AND I BELIEVE IT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE, THOSE INDIVIDUALLY LANDMARKED, UM, STRUCTURES THAT WERE RELATED TO THE SAME AUTOMOBILE, UH, SERVICE TRADITION IN THAT AREA.
AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SUMMATION OF MY, UM, APPLICATION.
DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY? OWNER WITH US? DOES NOT APPEAR, SO.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SITE VISIT BY SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
COULD I GET A REPORT PLEASE? SO, UH, YES SIR, WE WENT OUT AND WE LOOKED AT THE LOCATION.
UH, SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE BUILDING, A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THE ONE QUESTION THAT LINGERED WAS THE OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE, AT LEAST FROM MY MY POINT OF VIEW, I THINK, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE REPORT, I, I, IS, IS FAIR, IS A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF, OF THE STATUS OF THE BUILDING, BUT, UH, WE COULDN'T GET, GET AHOLD OF THE OWNER OR GET ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK FROM THE OWNER.
SO GIVEN THE CONSIDERATION, I THINK I'M EITHER WONDERING WHERE THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO SIT WITH REGARDS TO MAKING A DECISION WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT THE OWNER PRESENT.
UM, YES, I ATTENDED THE, UH, SITE VISIT ALSO.
UM, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO, UH, LOOK AT THE INTERIOR, INTERIOR WALLS, BACK WALL, UH, SCISSOR TRUSSES FOR THE ROOF, UM, WHEN ONE OF THE USERS OPEN THE GARAGE DOOR.
SO, UH, AND VERY GRACIOUSLY LET US TAKE A QUICK, QUICK PEEK.
UM, I, UM, UH, THE, THE BUILDING APPEARS TO BE IN, IN EXCELLENT CONDITION.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
MR. OLIN, UM, STAFF, UH, DOES NOT AGREE WITH CRITERIA NUMBER SIX.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT IN AND TELL US MORE ABOUT WHY IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A VALID CRITERIA? UH, JUST A MOMENT.
I, WHERE DID I CLOSE THAT DOCUMENT? EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
UM, WELL, I MEAN, AS AN I I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT WITH NUMBER, UM, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER ASPECTS OF BOTH, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FIVE, UH, CRITERIA.
UM, BUT AS A, I THINK IT'S, THERE ARE THE LANDMARKED GAS STATIONS IN THE AREA, MANY OF WHICH ARE DATING FROM THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
UM, AND AS A UTILITARIAN STRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY, UM, MANY OF THOSE GAS STATIONS, UM, ARE JUST, UH, JUST THE GAS STATION PORTION ITSELF AND NOT NECESSARILY ANY OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, UH, THAT TYPE OF SERVICE, UM, AT THAT TIME.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY CERTAINLY WERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAND WAR MAPS, THERE WERE, THERE WERE, UM, SORT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UH, TO MANY OF THOSE GAS STATIONS.
UH, AND THE GAS STATION IN THIS CASE ISN'T PRESENT ANYMORE, BUT THE GARAGE IS.
SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SANBORN MAP THAT THE GAS STATION WAS HARD UP ON THAT CORNER, UH, ON FLORIDA.
SO, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT KIND OF SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
UM, A LITTLE, I, I GUESS I AM, UM, UNCLEAR ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF FINE IN THE CRITERIA HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL CULTURAL CHARACTER AS A PARTICULAR FINE OR UNIQUE.
UM, IS FINE, UH, REDUNDANT OF UNIQUE OR DOES FINE MEAN AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OR A, UM, CAN STAFF PERHAPS GIVE SOME CLARITY ON WHAT FINE MEANS IN THIS SITUATION? FINE OR UNIQUE? I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT'S JUST, IT'S FINE.
UM, BUT YES, LIKE NORMALLY IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS EXEMPLARY, WE WOULD PROBABLY USE THAT WORD.
SO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAS FIRST QUESTION, HAS THERE BEEN A, UH, REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION ON THIS BUILDING BEEN SUBMITTED? YES, THAT'S HOW THIS WAS INITIATED.
UM, SO IN THIS CASE, AND ACTUALLY IS THERE A FINDING THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE CASE HISTORY? UM, BUT THERE WAS A PERMIT THAT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR STAFF, UM, AND ISSUED THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW CAME FOLLOWING THAT, UM, BEFORE THE PERMIT WAS PICKED UP.
SO THE PERMIT IS ON HOLD, UM, UNTIL THIS PROCESS PLAYS OUT.
UM, IT IS INTERESTING THAT THE OWNER IS NOT PRESENT BECAUSE THE INITIAL FEEDBACK FROM THE OWNER WAS THEY DID NOT WANT THIS TO BE DRUG OUT AND WE'RE WANTING AN ACTION.
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OF ALL I KNOW FROM THE OWNER STANDPOINT AT THIS POINT.ARE WE SO CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE FOR ACTION ON THIS PROJECT? UM, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS CASE.
WE WOULD SIMPLY NOT ISSUE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT UNTIL WE KNEW WHAT THE DISPOSITION OF THE ELIGIBILITY WAS.
COMMISSIONER ES? YES, COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
UM, WOULD MY COLLEAGUES BE AMENABLE TO CONTINUING THIS UNTIL WE DO HEAR FROM THE OWNER? WOULD THAT BE A, UM, A WISE THING? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OWNER, GIVE THEM ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BE AVAILABLE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I, I CONCUR.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT TO HAVE OWNER INPUT ON THESE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, I, IN, IN LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA, I, I DO THINK I HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF THAT THIS DOES NOT QUITE ATTAIN TO THAT LEVEL.
UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX, THOUGH, I'M USUALLY AN ADVOCATE OF KEEPING BOTH, YOU KNOW, UM, GOOD REPRESENTATIVES OF BOTH THE LOWLY AS WELL AS THE GRAND, YOU KNOW, FOR SO LONG.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS FO FOCUSED ON SORT OF THE UPPER TIER SOCIETY AND, AND, UH, THE GRAND, UM, UH, FORMAL STYLES OF ARCHITECTURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, ARE, UH, IS IMPORTANT TO PAINT A COMPLETE PICTURE OF, OF THE HISTORY AND DEVELOPMENT OF SAN ANTONIO AS, AS, UM, OTHER MORE HIGH, HIGH STYLE, UH, BUILDINGS.
SO, BUT I THINK, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET OWNER INPUT ON THIS.
AND SO I WOULD MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE, UH, TO THE NEXT H D R C HEARING.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT AT THIS POINT I, UM, CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT HERE THAT, UH, IT DOES THAT IT WILL MEET THREE OF THE, UH, CRITERIA.
BUT, UH, I'LL BE VOTING FOR THE, FOR THE MOTION.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH IS ABSENT.
MASUKA AYE CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT.
ANTES? YES, THE PHONE IS ABSENT AND FED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. OLEN BUSCH.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE NEXT, I MEAN THE OWNER HERE NEXT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY AGENDA.
UH, THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH ONE EAST ATCH.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FRONT CONCRETE WALKWAY AND STEPS WITH A SET GRED FLAGSTONE WALKWAY.
UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR SIDEWALK REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A, A POURED CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT IS CONSISTENT IN MATERIAL DIMENSION PROFILE AND COLOR TO THAT WHICH WAS REMOVED.
AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH SIDEWALKS THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE BLOCK.
UM, THE APPLICANT C WINKLER IS ATTENDING IN PERSON, UM, PASSED OUT OUR, UH, HARD COPY DOCUMENTS CONTAINING THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF FLAGSTONE WALKWAYS ON NEIGHBORING STREETS.
UM, AND THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL BOTH IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, SO IF MS. WINKLER COULD COME UP AND THEN HANNAH, IF THOSE PHOTOS ARE DISCUSSED, WE'LL NEED TO SHOW THEM ON THE OVERHEAD CAMERA.
MS. WINKLER? YES, GO AHEAD AND COME ON UP.
HI, I AM C C AND I'VE LIVED THERE ABOUT 22 YEARS NOW, 21.
UM, I DID NOT KNOW THAT YOU COULDN'T DO THE SIDEWALK.
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SHOCKED WHEN THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE PRIOR TO DOING THIS, THE WALK WAS IN HORRIBLE SHAPE AND THE CONCRETE WAS ABOUT YAY THICK AND IT WAS CRUMBLY.AND WHEN I DECIDED I'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING HERE, I DROVE THROUGH MONTE VISTA, ESPECIALLY BETWEEN SAN PEDRO AND MCCULLOUGH.
AND I SAW MANY, MANY, AND IN FACT, REALLY IF I ADDED, I ONLY WENT DOWN THREE BLOCKS, UH, THREE STREETS.
AND I'VE ONLY TOOK PICTURES OF A COUPLE OF THE BRICK ONES, BUT THERE WERE MANY, MANY BRICK WALKWAYS.
AND I'VE BEEN A REALTOR FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
STARTED OUT IN VIRGINIA, CAME HERE AND I ALWAYS, LOTS OF TIMES TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT DRIVING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND LOOKING AT THINGS AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM THINKING ABOUT THAT.
IT'S ABOUT AS CLOSE TO CONCRETE AS YOU CAN GET, I THINK.
AND I WENT, UH, OUT TO SEE THE GUY WITH WHO I BOUGHT IT FROM AND HE CALLED IT BY TWO MINUTES LATE.
THE ONLY THING I KNOW ABOUT BYUM WAS WHEN I, IN SCHOOL IT WAS BY TWO AND ANTHRACITE COAL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UM, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, IT WAS IN DEPLORABLE, THE YARD WAS IN DEPLORABLE CONDITION.
I DUG OUT EVERY PLANT AND PLANTED WHAT'S THERE.
I LAID MY OWN PATIO IN THE BACK, UH, WHICH IS NOT THAT, BUT IT'S A NEUTRAL COLOR.
AND WHEN I HAVE WORKED WITH PEOPLE IN THE AREA, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES OUTTA MY MOUTH IS YOU CAN'T CHANGE THIS AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
BUT NEVER HAVE I TOLD THEM THAT THEY COULDN'T DO THE WALKWAY, WHICH WILL BE PART OF MY ITINERARY FROM NOW ON.
SO ON THE SIDE, ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF THAT, THAT WAS THE OLD, UH, I DID THAT WHEN THE OLD, UH, ORIGINAL WALKWAY WAS THERE AND IT WAS CRUMBLING AND NOT SAFE.
YOU HAVE TO WALK ON THE GRASS HALF THE TIME.
BUT I JUST DID THAT OUT OF A HOME AND GARDEN CATALOG.
THAT SHOWS YOU A LOT OF IT RIGHT THERE.
QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONER? OH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
THIS IS JOSEPHINE
AND I HAVE THIS, UH, TO HANNAH NER NER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST.
I AM CALLING FOR THE ADDRESS AT 5 35 IF WE SENT, I KNOW HER HEARING IS COMING UP, BUT I'M CALLING TO, UH, FOR THEM TO APPROVE THE SITE, HER SIDEWALK.
UH, 'CAUSE IT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS.
AND SO, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE ALL, ALL FOR HER, UM, HER WALKWAY BECAUSE IT LOOKS VERY NICE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, MA'AM, I I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD.
UM, WHEN YOU WERE GIVING YOU A TESTIMONY, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR, FOR APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS AND THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE SIDEWALK? DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY? NO, YOU DIDN'T.
WHAT, WHAT I HAVE BEEN CAN YOU CLARIFY? I, WELL, ACTUALLY I GOT HERE IN 79, BUT I DIDN'T LIVE IN THE AREA THEN.
AND THEN I MOVED AWAY AND IN THE MILITARY AND THEN MOVED BACK.
SO, AND WHEN I FIRST GOT MY, UH, REAL ESTATE LICENSE,
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I WASN'T IN THE AREA DOWN HERE EITHER, BUT WHEN I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, THAT WAS MY FIRST REALLY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE AREA.AND THAT WAS, UM, IT WAS TWO WEEKS BEFORE OR, UM, 19.
AND, AND LIKE I SAY, I, I HAD CU CUSTOMER BASE THAT WAS NOT IN THIS AREA, AND THEN I HAVE GOTTEN TO SELL AROUND HERE, SO YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST OR ASK IS THERE A PUBLICATION THAT YOU HAVE THAT COULD BE SHORT IN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT COULD BE SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER GET TO NEW PEOPLE OR YOU CAN GET PEOPLE LIKE ME THAT JUST DON'T GO THINK, OH, I WANT SOME GOOD READING TONIGHT.
I THINK I'LL PICK UP AND READ THINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IN MONTE VISTA.
BUT, BUT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT INVOLVED.
I'M SURE STAFF CAN ASSIST IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS THAT, UM, WHEN YOU WERE SEEKING OUT TO DO THE WORK, DID YOU COORDINATE OR DID YOU ASK MONTE VISTA? DID YOU DID CHECK WITH ANYONE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU COULD DO? OR YOU JUST PRETTY MUCH ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY FOR YOU TO DO THAT? WELL, AFTER SEEING ALL THE OTHER SIDEWALKS, NOT SIDEWALK WALKWAYS TO THE HOUSE, I RATHER ASSUMED YES.
AND I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY, MANY MORE.
THAT WAS JUST A, THERE WASN'T ANY SENSE IN RUNNING AROUND TAKING MORE PICTURES.
I JUST SPENT $47 JUST HAVING THOSE TO GIVE IT TO YOU IN COLOR.
MR. UM, J THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTION.
UH, CAN STAFF ANSWER WHAT TYPE OF WALKWAY WOULD'VE BEEN PUT IN WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT BASED ON THE AGE OF THE HOUSE? I MEAN, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN POURED CONCRETE? WOULD THAT SURE.
SO, UM, THE FIRST IMAGE SHOWS THE, THE ORIGINAL WALKWAY MM-HMM.
UM, SO IT'S THE FLAGSTONE REPLACEMENT THAT'S, UM, BEING DISCUSSED HERE.
COMMISSIONER SAVANTE, I MEAN, UH, SAVINO.
MY, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CASE, UM, FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE, UM, USE THE GUIDELINES IS TO, IS TO HAVE AN APPROACH, A PROCESS THAT WILL INVITE US TO LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE BLOCK.
I FEEL LIKE, UM, OR I, I SEE THAT THE REST OF THE BLOCK IS RATHER MODEST HOUSES.
MOST OF THEM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, HAS, UM, HAVE A CONCRETE CENTER, WALKWAY, WOOD FRAME HOUSES, WOOD SIDING, UM, THAT HAS A VERY CLEAR CHARACTER OF, OF PROBABLY MODEST, MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES, UM, LARGE YARDS.
THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED.
WHILE THEY ARE DIFFERENT, THOSE HOUSES ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN THEIR CHARACTER.
FOR ONE THING, MOST OF THEM ARE MASONRY, VENEERED OR COVERED HOUSES.
SO THE, WHETHER SOME OF THE WALKWAYS WERE DONE PREVIOUSLY TO THE GUIDELINES OR WHETHER THEY WERE DONE ORIGINALLY TO THE HOUSE PROBABLY NOT, PROBABLY CAME SOMETIME AFTER.
THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT A COORDINATION OF A MASONRY UNIT.
WHEN YOU HAVE A MASONRY HOUSE, THE THEME IS ALREADY SET FOR YOU.
UM, AND THEN FOR THOSE TYPES OF HO HOMEOWNERS, AND THERE'S THE QUESTION, WHAT TYPE OF MASONRY UNIT BESIDES A CONCRETE PAD WILL, WILL COORDINATE, WILL COMPLIMENT, WILL RESPOND TO THE HOUSE.
SO THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
UM, YOUR HOUSE IS A WOOD FRAME, PRIMARILY.
AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY RE CLAD THE CO FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH A LIMESTONE.
SEEMS TO BE AN ATTEMPT TO MATCH THE, THE VENEER, LIMESTONE VENEER ON THE CHIMNEY.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A, A, A SECOND RIVER ROCKSTONE ON THE BORDER, AND THEN A THIRD STONE, UM, THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE WALKWAY.
SO, UM, IF I WERE TO DO A MASONRY UH, WALKWAY, WHICH
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I WOULDN'T, BECAUSE THE BLOCK IS VERY CLEAR IN ITS CHARACTER, I WOULD'VE CHOSE SOMETHING THAT RESPONDED DIRECTLY TO THE STONE ALREADY ON THE HOUSE.SO I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT STAFF AT THIS POINT, UM, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE CHARACTER OF THAT BLOCK IS PRETTY CLEAR.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I CAN ADD MUCH MORE TO THAT.
I THINK THAT PRETTY MASTERFULLY CAPTURES MY ATTITUDE ON IT BECAUSE THE, THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE SHOWN HERE, UH, MANY OF THEM ARE MASONRY, MANY OF 'EM ARE TWO STORY, MUCH MORE GRAND HOMES.
AND THE PREVAILING, UH, CHARACTER ON THIS PARTICULAR STREET, AND THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK IS, UH, MUCH MORE MODEST AND, UM, MANY MORE, UM, UH, CONCRETE, UH, WALKS, APPROACH WALKS.
UM, I WOULD ALSO MENTION THAT, UM, IN THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE PRESENTED AS AS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO, TO REFUTE THAT MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE, UH, MATERIALS THAT WERE CHOSE WERE EITHER BRICK OR THEY WERE MORE OF A NATIVE, UH, LIMESTONE OR AN OKLAHOMA SANDSTONE, WHICH GIVES IT MUCH MORE OF AN EARTHIER, UM, FEEL AND MUCH MORE IN A KEEPING WITH OUR KIND OF NATURAL CLAY COLLEGIATE SOILS HERE.
SO THE GRAY SLATE, IT'S A SLATE'S A BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, THE MEXICAN, UH, BEACH PEBBLES, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE APPROPRIATE WITHIN THIS CONTEXT.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WOULD CONCUR WITH MY COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, THE, ALTHOUGH IT IS A BEAUTIFUL WALK, NICE DETAILING, IT IS SOMEWHAT OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE HOUSE AND THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, UM, I MOVE FOR DENIAL, UH, BASED UPON STAFF'S FINDINGS.
V DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
COULD I ASK A QUESTION HERE? YES, MA'AM.
AS I DROVE UP TO MY HOUSE THAT DAY, MA'AM, CAN YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM PLEASE? THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND I'M GOING LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND IT WAS THE LIKE, SCARLET LETTER DAY.
THERE'S A RED PIECE OF PAPER ON MY DOOR AND A RED PIECE OF PAPER ON HIS DOOR AND A RED PIECE OF PAPER ON THE NEXT HOUSE.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT.
SO, SO MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS, HE HAD DONE HIS YARD AND, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT WHEN YOU MOVE ALL THE GRASS AND ZERO ESCAPED.
AND, BUT HE HAD, UH, HE TOLD ME THAT HE HAD, UH, WRITTEN TO YOU GUYS AND TOLD ABOUT THIS PLANT WAS INDIGENOUS TO THIS AND ALL THIS, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE YARD.
AND YOU GUYS SAID, OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
NOW HOW DOES THIS WORK? I I TOOK ME A WHILE TO SAVE UP ENOUGH MONEY TO GET THAT WALKWAY DONE IS HIS YARD.
THERE'S HOW MANY YARDS ARE, UH, LIKE THAT IN MONTE VISTA, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT YOU'VE WAIVED HIM GETTING HIS YARD DONE.
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AND I JUST WANNA KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.I CAN SIMPLY OFFER THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT GUIDELINES THAT APPLY TO DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
WHAT WOULD, CAN YOU GIMME A LITTLE BIT OF A CRITERIA HERE? UM, I'M GONNA ASK THE CHAIR IF HE WANTS US TO KEEP GOING.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY ON THIS CASE AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS MY SECOND TRIP HERE AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS.
WELL, BASED ON, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE STAFF'S REVIEW OF THE, UH, CONDITIONS AND WHAT THE COMMISSIONER FELT COMMISSION HAS FELT IS THAT A SIMPLE REPLACEMENT CONCRETE WALK WOULD'VE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE THAN WHAT IS INSTALLED NOW.
HOW ABOUT ALL THOSE I TOOK PICTURES OF, WELL, THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMISSION, THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE WERE MUCH GRANDER HOMES.
AND SO THEY, THE GOING WITH A STONE WALK OR A BRICK WALK WAS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE AND SIZE OF THE HOME.
THIS BLOCK AND YOUR HOME ARE MUCH MORE MODEST AND, UH, HISTORICALLY THEY HAD POURED CONCRETE WALKS AND SO THE COMMISSION HAS, UH, MADE A MOTION AND, AND VOTED THAT, UH, THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE.
SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, MS. MR. CHAIR, VERY QUICKLY BEFORE THE APPLICANT MOVES, I'M SORRY, WE'RE BELOW JUST IF I GET 15 SECONDS.
ARE THERE ANY OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO HER WITH WHAT SHE'S ALREADY DONE TO GET TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT LOOK OF, OF A POURED CONCRETE, UH, WALKWAY WITHOUT HAVING TO TEAR THE WHOLE THING OUT AND, AND REDO? WELL, WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MORE TIME ON THIS, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T TODAY, UH, STAFF WILL CAN GET WITH MS. WINKLER, UH, YOU CAN APPEAL OUR DECISION TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
UM, AND STAFF WILL, UH, INFORM YOU ON HOW YOU CAN DO THAT.
AGENDA ITEM, OH, YOU CAN HEAR ME TODAY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 1 7 ADDRESS, 5 27 HAYES STREET.
UM, GO AHEAD AND READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD.
I WE'RE NOT POSITIVE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT, BUT LET'S GET THE CASE READ SO WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, COVER AN EXISTING TAN BRICK WITH THE WHITE LIME WASH.
TWO, REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS AND THREE, ADD BLACK SHUTS TO THE FRONT WINDOWS.
UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PAINTING LIME WASH OF BRICK.
B STAFF RECOMMENDS THE BRICK REMAINS UNPAINTED.
UH, NUMBER TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WHITE VINYL WINDOWS.
AS NOTED IN THE FINDING, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AS NOTED IN THE A APPLICABLE CITATIONS.
LASTLY, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF WINDOW SHUTTERS BASED ON FINDING D.
OKAY, DO WE HAVE A MICHELLE? WHAT'S THE LAST NAME? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE CHAT REPRESENTING THIS CASE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYONE IN PERSON.
UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANNA PROCEED.
WELL, AS PER USUAL, I THINK WE WOULD, UH, LOOK TO POST TO CONTINUANCE UNTIL WE CAN HAVE THE, UM, APPLICANT HERE.
I HAD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS CASE FOR APPLICANT APPEARANCE.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE, GIBBS? AYE THIS IS ABSENT.
MASU AYE CARPENTER AYE GROUP IS ABSENT.
CERVANTES? YES, THE PHONE IS ABSENT AND FED, SIR.
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AGENDA, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17 H C R C.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL NINE ANDERSON 400 SERIES WOOD, RIGHT WINDOWS, SAME SIZE, SHAPE, LOCATION, AND APPEARANCE AS THE EXISTENT Z EXISTING WINDOWS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND THE APPLICANT SARAH IS HERE TODAY.
I BOUGHT THE HOME BACK IN 2016 AND MOVED AWAY FOR A LITTLE BIT.
MOVED BACK JULY OF, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF JULY AND BEEN TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP.
IT WAS RENTED OUT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS AND TENANTS DID NOT TAKE CARE OF IT.
AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE FRONT LEFT, THERE'S A HOLE IN THE WINDOW.
ALL THE WINDOWS COMPLETELY, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO WORN OUT, SO THIN FROM THE SUN, ESPECIALLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
THE WOOD IN BETWEEN THE GLASS.
EVEN THE, I COULD EASILY, IF I WANTED TO, I COULD DO IT BY HAND ON SOME OF THE WINDOWS.
UH, I LOOKED INTO GETTING THEM REPAIRED BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE, THE FASTER WAY TO GO.
BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT, I HAD NO IDEA.
I'VE NEVER DONE ANY KIND OF WINDOW REPAIRING ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
HE'S WITH A HOME DEPOT FOR, UH, THE WINDOWS.
BUT, UH, I CALLED A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TO GET QUOTES.
UH, INITIALLY BEFORE I EVEN REACHED OUT TO JOHN, I HAD ANOTHER COMPANY GIVE ME A QUOTE FOR, SAME THING.
IT WAS 2300 PER WINDOW AND THEN, OR, OR 2,500 PER WINDOW EQUALING 21 AND $22,000.
THAT'S, I CAN GO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE FOR THAT, A DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOUSE.
BUT I ALSO REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU GUYS SUGGESTED.
UH, FIRST ONE WAS, UH, JUSTIN ARCHIE.
I CALLED HIM THE DAY THAT YOU GUYS CAME BY, WHICH WAS WEDNESDAY.
UH, LEFT A MESSAGE, DIDN'T HEAR BACK THURSDAY.
I GOT AN EMAIL FROM CLAUDIA TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY WITH, UH, THREE PHONE NUMBERS, UH, GUY CHAPMAN WOOD WINDOW WORK, WHICH THEN I REALIZED THAT THAT IS JUSTIN ARCHIE.
'CAUSE WHEN I LOOKED UP HIS THING, IT SAID THAT THAT WAS HIS COMPANY NAME.
AND THEN LOUIS ELIZONDO, UH, GUY CHAPMAN WOOD WINDOW WORK DID NOT CALL BACK.
I LEFT BOTH OF THEM MESSAGES THAT THURSDAY.
AND THEN LOUIS ELIZONDO CALLED BACK THE FOLLOWING DAY ON FRIDAY.
AND HE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO REPAIR THE WINDOW.
HE SAID, FOR ANYTHING LESS THAN 2000.
I SAID, WELL, I WAS TOLD THAT IT SHOULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 500 TO 1500.
AND HIS EXACT WORDS WERE, I WOULDN'T EVEN TAKE THE WINDOW OUT FOR $500.
AND AFTER TALKING TO HIM AND HIM EXPLAINING, OKAY, THIS IS THE PROCESS, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO DO THIS, THIS, AND THAT.
IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WOULD, HE WAS, THE WAY HE WAS EXPLAINING, IT'S SUCH A LENGTHY PROCESS THAT IT WOULD TAKE HIM NUMEROUS DAYS PER WINDOW.
SO HE, AND THEN ALSO THE WARRANTY THING.
HE SAID THERE'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND A HISTORIC WINDOW REPAIR PERSON THAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU ANY WARRANTY.
HE'S LIKE, IF YOU TELL ME MAYBE THE, THE INSTALLATION WAS WRONG, LIKE I CAN COME BACK AND FIX IT.
BUT REALLY LONG TERM, I MEAN, THESE GUYS AREN'T, YOU KNOW, OFFICIAL COMPANIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO WHERE, WHO KNOWS IF THEY'LL EVEN BE AROUND IN 2, 3, 5 YEARS.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE WARRANTY PART IS A REALLY BIG DEAL.
SO IF I'M PAYING ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO TO $3,000 TO REPAIR A WINDOW AND I'M GETTING NO WARRANTY ON IT, WHAT HAPPENS IN FIVE YEARS OR IN TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER? UH, THE HOME IS HISTORIC.
IT'S ON PIER AND BEAMS CONSTANTLY MOVES.
WHAT IF WE GET CRAZY, INSANE AMOUNT OF RAIN AND SOMETHING WITH MY FOUNDATION, IT SHIFTS, BREAKS, SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO GET IT REDONE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WARRANTY.
BUT IN THE WARRANTY THAT WOULD COME WITH HOME DEPOT, THEY WOULD FIX THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, IT WASN'T A, YOU KNOW, BREAKING GLASS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE INITIALLY CAME IN WITH THE, SORRY, WE INITIALLY CAME IN WITH THE VINYL, BUT THEN YOU GUYS CAME BY AND THEN HE SHOWED THE OTHER OPTION WITH THE, THE WOOD.
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GONNA LOOK ANY DIFFERENT.IF ANYTHING, THEY'RE JUST GONNA LOOK NICER, OF COURSE.
BUT LOOK, IF YOU GUYS PULL UP THE, SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT WE HAD SHARED, I MEAN, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING I HAVE CAN FOR THE WINDOWS.
I'VE TRIED PUTTING THEM, WHAT IS THAT? THE FLEX SPRAY.
I, AND EVEN THE TAPE ENDED UP JUST TURNING YELLOW FROM THE SUN.
UH, ANYTIME I TRY TO CLEAN THE WINDOWS, THERE'S WATER INSIDE THE HOUSE.
THE GLASS ISN'T EVEN TOUCHING SOME OF THE WOOD, UH, IN OUR, I MEAN THE ENERGY BILL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GO THERE.
IT'S BEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO 50 TO THREE 50.
WE HAD THE WHOLE HOUSE FOAM INSULATED.
WE HAD THE FOUNDATION REDONE RECENTLY AND THEN THE, THE FOAM INSTALLATION INCLUDED THE ATTIC AS WELL.
SO I KNOW I'VE TRIED TO TAKE EVERY MEASURE ABOUT TRYING TO SEAL THE HOLE.
AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE REPAIRING, I MEAN, IF, IF I CAN GET SOMEBODY TO REPAIR MY WINDOW FOR AROUND FIVE, $800 AND GIVE ME THE SAME WARRANTY IN CASE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN TWO, THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, BEING ABLE TO OPEN THEM, HAVING NOT BEING, NOT JUST STANDING IN FRONT OF THE WINDOW AND JUST FEELING THE HEAT, THE WINDOW GLASS IS SO THIN.
I, I HAVE NO, I COULD EASILY TAP IT WITH MY HAND AND BREAK IT IF I REALLY WANTED TO.
SO THEN THAT BRINGS UP THE SECURITY ISSUE.
UH, WE LOOKED INTO THE, THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS CALLED THAT YOU GUYS MENTIONED, MONICA, I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT MENTIONED THE, THE SEAL TO WHERE IT'S SHATTERPROOF TO WHERE WITH THAT, THAT WOULD WORK ON THE SHATTERPROOF PART IN A WAY OF NOT MAKING A MESS MAYBE SO THE GLASS DOESN'T GET EVERYWHERE, BUT REALLY, I MEAN, I COULD TAKE A KNIFE AND CUT THAT OUT IF I WANTED TO.
SO SECURITY WISE, I FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T FALL UNDER SECURITY.
IT, UH, UH, SHATTERPROOF, UNLESS I'M WRONG WITH THAT PART.
'CAUSE I, I WENT INTO A STORE TO LOOK AT THE FILM BECAUSE, OH, I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S JUST PAPER.
IS THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS INACCURATE, BUT, UM, I'LL LET JOHN JUMP IN AND GO OVER WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, OR MAYBE HE BROUGHT SOMETHING WITH HIM.
UH, WHAT I BROUGHT WAS THE SAME WINDOW THAT I SHOWED, WHICH WAS A, UH, ANDERSON 400 SERIES TILT WASH.
IT WILL BE A WHITE ON WHITE WINDOW, WHICH MATCHES IT.
IT WILL BE A WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THE ISSUE WITH THE INSECT SCREEN, UH, THERE'LL STILL BE SLOTS ON THE OUTSIDE FOR THE ORIGINAL SCREEN IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT MANUFACTURED AFTER IT.
BUT ANDERSON WILL NOT REMOVE THE INSECT GRIDS NOR WILL THEY, UH, MOVE THEM.
IT AFFECTS THE WAY THAT THESE ARE GONNA SEAL BECAUSE THIS IS AN INSERT WINDOW, NOT A FULL FRAME REPLACEMENT.
'CAUSE I'D HAVE TO GET INTO SIDING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THAT PROJECT.
BUT I DID HAVE A CAD MADE FROM ANDERSON THAT SHOWS THE GRID.
AND THEN COULD YOU MAKE THAT, GO BACK TO THAT OTHER PICTURE? THE, THE WHICH, SORRY, WHICH ONE? THERE WAS A PICTURE OF WHAT THE GRIDS WILL ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE.
NOW THIS ISN'T MY, THIS IS THAT ONE THE FULL DIVIDED LIGHT.
SO THIS FULL DIVIDED LIGHT WILL GIVE THE SAME LOOK AS THE ORIGINAL GRIDS THAT ARE IN THE WINDOWS NOW.
AND THEY WILL BE THE, UH, IT'S A FULL PHOTO OF IT.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S THE, IT SAYS ANDERSON.
IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT LITTLE PICTURE BIGGER.
BUT THERE, IT'S WHAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE WITH THE GRIDS, WHICH WILL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER PICTURES, IT WILL BE A MATCH FOR THE WINDOWS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GET A, A REPORT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WHO MADE A SITE VISIT TO THE HOME.
IT WAS, UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES AND, UM, PROBABLY WAS MOOKA WITH US.
UM, AND UM, THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, UH, ISSUES ON THE WINDOW.
UM, SOME BEING JUST AGE-RELATED DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
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OTHER, SOME OF THE SASHES HAVE A LITTLE DRY ROT ALSO.AND SOME OF THE TRIMS AND FRAME WERE ALSO REBUILT WITH INCONSISTENT PIECES OF WOOD HERE AND THERE, JUST TO, OVER THE YEARS, MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, WEATHERPROOF.
SO I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES REGARDING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WINDOWS DEPENDING ON THE EXPOSURE.
UM, I FEEL LIKE, UM, I KNOW IT'S HARD FINDING ANYBODY TO DO ANY KIND OF WORK THESE DAYS.
IT'S JUST YOUR, YOUR TIME, YOUR LEAD TIME IS JUST GOING TO BE DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, BUT, UH, NOT ADDRESSING THE SECURITY OR THE UV ASPECT OF THE GLASS.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THE MAJORITY OF THE SASHES ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.
SOME OF 'EM, UM, CLEARLY NEED TO BE REPLACED WITH, UM, UM, SOMETHING IN KIND OR EVEN A DUTCHMAN PATCH OF SOME SORT.
UM, IN A COUPLE OF PLACES, THE, THE TRIMS WERE, UM, FAILING.
SO SOME PART OF THE FRAME DOES NEED TO BE, UH, RESTORED.
BUT OVERALL, UM, I WOULD BE, I'M INCLINED TO ENCOURAGE, UM, MS. OIE TO KEEP AS MANY OF THESE WINDOWS AS POSSIBLE.
UH, ONE, ONE CONSIDERATION MIGHT BE TO, UM, TAKE SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE BEST CONDITION AND MOVE THEM ON THE FRONT AS WELL.
ON THE FIRST 2040 FEET OF EITHER SIDE AREAS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC.
AND FOR WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE REAR, POSSIBLY CONSIDER AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE.
YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT, UH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS JUST MENTIONED.
AND I WOULD ADD THAT THE GLASS IS VERY THIN ON A LOT OF THESE WINDOWS.
I, I, I THINK A TODDLER CAN PUSH THROUGH EASILY ON ALMOST ALL THE GLASS, UH, ON THESE WINDOWS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I, I TEND TO, TO KIND OF LOOK AT, AT ALL ASPECTS, ESPECIALLY THE ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE APPLICANT, UH, AND THE FEASIBILITY OF, OF OF, OF DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO TRY AND KEEP SOME OF THESE WINDOWS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I ALSO AM LOOKING AT IT FROM A LAYMAN'S POINT OF VIEW IN THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT WINDOW THAT WAS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US AND IT APPEARS TO MEET THE VISUAL ASPECTS OF WHAT THE WINDOW SHOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE, FOR THE HOME.
UM, AND I WOULD ASK STAFF IF THAT WOULD MAYBE BE A CRITERIA THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY LOOK AT.
I KNOW THAT WAS, THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE ON THE SITE VISIT, THAT THE WINDOW SAY FOR A FEW MINOR, UH, UH, CHANNELS THERE ON THE EDGE AND CAN, YOU KNOW, APPEAR TO LOOK, UH, UH, LIKE THEY WOULD FIT IN.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, AS TIME GOES BY, LABOR COSTS GO UP, IT'S GONNA BE HARDER AND HARDER TO KEEP THESE WINDOWS, UH, UH, REPAIRED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, USING AS MUCH OF THE WOOD THAT WAS THERE.
IT'S GONNA BECOME MORE LABOR INTENSIVE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF ROT ON THROUGHOUT THE WINDOWS IN THE, IN THE HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN FROM THE SECURITY STANDPOINT, THE, THE GLASS THAT WAS THERE, AGAIN, A A TODDLER COULD HAVE PUSHED IT THROUGH, UH, WHICH WOULD ALSO BE A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL.
AND IF, IF I CAN COMMENT JUST YES MA'AM.
I ALSO, I, WHEN I ATTEMPT TO CLEAN THE WINDOWS, I TRY TO GET TO KIND OF TAKE THE HOSE OR JUST TRY TO GET IN BETWEEN THE SIDING AND ALL COMES OUT.
IT'S THIS BLACK, ALMOST SAND LOOKING.
AND I HAD SOME GUYS LOOK AT IT FOR ME AND THEY SAID THAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ROTTING BEHIND IT.
SO ANOTHER FEAR OF MINE IS THAT WHEN THIS BEGINS, I HAVE NO DOUBT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WHETHER WE FIX THE WINDOWS, WHETHER WE GET PUT NEW WINDOWS IN OR DO NOTHING, THERE'S GONNA BE A ADDITIONAL COST TO THAT.
EVERY TIME I'VE HAD ANYTHING DONE AT THE HOUSE, HISTORIC, ANYTIME WE START ONE THING, WE END UP FINDING ANOTHER PROBLEM.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COST, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY COST THAT'S GONNA GO INTO THIS.
I, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE WITH HAVING TO REPLACE SOME OF THE ROTTING WOOD, SOME OF THE WOOD THAT'S NOT ROTTING.
AND IF YOU GUYS ARE SUGGESTING TAKING SOME OF THE GOOD WINDOWS, I WOULD LIKE TO, IF YOU GUYS RECALL, WERE THERE ANY, WERE, WERE THERE ANY OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU FELT THAT WERE BETTER THAN THE OTHERS? BECAUSE FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE TWO ON THE SIDE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IN THAT TIGHT DRIVE AREA WITH THE NEIGHBOR, THOSE WINDOWS, THOSE WERE COMPLETELY GONE.
LIKE I'M, THE WOOD IS SO THIN ON THERE.
THE, THE WOOD ON I, IF I JUST TOUCH IT LIKE THIS, LIKE SPONGY, THAT'S HOW ROTTING IT IS ON THAT SIDE.
AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THE SUN DAMAGE.
THERE'S ONE WINDOW THAT WAS REDONE BY WHOEVER HAD THE HOME BEFORE ME.
THAT WINDOW ISN'T EVEN THE SAME SIZE
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AS ANYTHING ELSE.IT WAS THE FIRST WINDOW ON THE LEFT, UM, STANDING IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN THE, THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS, THAT'S THE ONE THAT HAS A HOLE IN IT THAT WE'VE HAD TAPE ON IT FOR A WHILE.
AND THIS IS BEEN, I'VE HAD THIS PROCESS, OR IN THE WORK SINCE MAY OF LAST YEAR.
I HAD WINDOW WORLD INITIALLY BEFORE I EVEN MOVED INTO THE HOUSE, LOOK AT THE WINDOWS.
AND THEY SAID THEY TOOK FOUR MONTHS, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER, UNTIL THEY TOLD ME, OH, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA DEAL WITH THE HISTORIC, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND THEN THAT'S WHEN CROSS CAME IN AFTER, AND THEN THEY SAID THE SAME THING, THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG BATTLE.
BUT THEN THEIR QUOTE WAS JUST OUTRAGEOUS.
SO THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING AND THE WITH, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE WINDOWS WHEN IT GETS TO EFFICIENCY OF THE HOME AND ALL THAT, BUT THE ELECTRIC BILL JUST KEEPS GOING UP.
AND THEN WE ALL KNOW IT'S SUMMERTIME, SO THAT'S JUST GONNA GO UP.
SO WHEN IT GETS TO TIMING, I'M, I'M LOOKING TO DO THIS SOONER THAN LATER.
'CAUSE I REALLY, I'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE MAY OF LAST YEAR, OR WE COULD SAY JULY.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN I MOVED BACK IN.
BUT I'M COMING UP ON A YEAR NOW AND WE'VE DONE NOTHING.
LIKE I JUST HAVE TAPE ON A PIECE OF GLASS 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR REPLACING A GLASS AND THEN HAVE TO EITHER FIXING THE WINDOWS OR REPLACING THE WINDOWS NOW.
SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT AS COSTLY AS POSSIBLE OR COST EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, ON UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT THE HOME, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WINDOWS COULD BE, UM, REPAIRED.
RESTORED AND UH, I WOULD CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT, UH, THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC WINDOWS COULD BE PLACED AT, NEAR THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THE ONES UNDER THE FRONT PORCH ARE PROTECTED SOMEWHAT FROM THE SUN.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD MITIGATE SOME OF THE, THE HEAT TRANSFER THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE GLASS.
UM, OTHER WINDOWS THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HEAT TRANSFER THROUGH.
THERE'S LOOKING AT INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS THAT WOULD BASICALLY CREATE AN AIR GAP BETWEEN THE, UH, EXISTING WINDOW AND THEN THE INTERIOR.
UM, BUT I WOULD, IF THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR, THEN UH, THIS COMMISSION GENERALLY SAYS TO REPLACE IN KIND, WHICH WOULD BE A WOOD WINDOW FOR A WOOD WINDOW, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, UM, THIS COMPOSITE WINDOW.
I KNOW ANDERSON MAKES A WOOD WINDOW THAT, THAT IS THEIR WOOD WINDOW.
IT'S EITHER CLADDED, IT COMES IN TWO CLADDINGS, EITHER ALUMINUM OR FX.
BUT THE WHOLE WINDOW, IF YOU TILT IT AND LOOK THROUGH IT, IT'S A WOOD WINDOW.
BUT THE OUTSIDE SURFACE IS PAINTABLE SERVICEABLE.
BUT IT IS EITHER CLADDED IN ALUMINUM OR IN FEX.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN EXTERIOR, THEY DON'T WOOD FINISH.
THEY DON'T HAVE A RAW WOOD EXTERIOR WINDOW.
THE QUOTE THAT I HAD SUBMITTED FROM CROSS, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE WOOD, WHICH WERE TWENTY THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE HUNDRED.
AND I'M NOT, I WANNA SAY THIS JUST BECAUSE IN CASE I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP WITH HIM, BUT FROM WHAT I, 'CAUSE IT WAS SO LONG AGO, BUT FROM WHAT I RECALL, HE SAID THAT THAT WAS MATERIAL ONLY.
IT DID NOT INCLUDE ACTUAL INSTALLATION.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, NINE WINDOWS, 2300 LOW END THOUSAND JOB'S.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, THANK YOU.
UM, THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER BRANDS OUT THERE THAT, THAT ARE A COMPLIANT WITH THE, UH, O H P WINDOWS STANDARDS THAT ARE ALL WOOD AND WE'LL HAVE A MORE, UM, ORIGINAL LOOK TO THEM AND OKAY.
I CAN SHARE THOSE WITH STAFF TOO.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FALL IN, LIKE BUDGET WISE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BECAUSE BUDGET IS, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO ADD THAT HISTORIC HOUSES, UM, TEND TO, UM, TEND TO NOT COME, YOU KNOW, TURNKEY OFF THE SHELF READY.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS PART OF THE BUDGETING.
SO, UM, WHERE WE, UM, YOU KNOW, SAVE IN SOME AREAS YEAH.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BUDGET IS, BUT THEY ARE, UM, MODERATE PRICED.
I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY SIMILAR TO THE CROSS WINDOW COMPANY THAT THEY GAVE.
'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS ALL WOOD, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS 23 TO 2,500,
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WHICH I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HISTORIC HOME, YEAH, IT COMES WITH HIGH COST.THAT'S WHY IT'S HISTORIC, BUT IT'S JUST, I, I JUST, I, I DON'T UNDER, I DON'T KNOW HOW 20, OR SORRY, I'M NOT 20 SOMETHING, 33 YEAR OLD CAN AFFORD $3,000 WINDOW.
AND I HAVE NINE WINDOWS, WHICH I KNOW SOME OF THEM, LIKE SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT PRIOR, LIKE THE ONE ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR, WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THAT ONE.
THE REASON WE HAD ADDED IT TO IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT GONNA MATCH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I KNOW THAT ONE, WE COULD TAKE THAT OFF THE LIST, BUT WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS, LIKE EVEN IF I TRY TO CUT IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, PAYING OH TWO, $3,000 A WINDOW, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY BEING ABLE TO AFFORD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WILL ADD, THERE ARE TWO OTHER BRANDS THAT I KNOW THAT ARE NOT IN YOUR ESTIMATE.
WHAT ARE THOSE BRANDS? WAIT, I'M SORRY.
WHAT WAS, I THINK STAFF CAN HELP, I THINK STAFF CAN HELP YOU IDENTIFY THOSE BRANDS.
SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GIVE US THE, THE TWO BRANDS.
SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO ENDORSE OTHER PRODUCTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL ATTEMPT A, A MOTION CHAIRMAN.
UM, I MOVE FOR, UH, THE RESTORATION OF WINDOWS ONE AND THREE, UH, REUSING, UM, UH, EXISTING SASHES, UH, THAT MAY BE TAKEN FROM OTHER WINDOWS TO ACHIEVE, UH, A HISTORIC REHABILITATION OF THOSE TWO WINDOWS.
THE RETENTION OF, UH, THE TRANSOM WINDOW ABOVE THE DOOR, WHICH IS INDICATED NUMBER TWO ON THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN.
AND, UM, THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS FOUR THROUGH, UH, NINE WITH AN IN-KIND WOOD WINDOW.
I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
JUST VERY QUICKLY ON THE WINDOW.
NUMBER THREE, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF THERE, IF THERE ARE GONNA USE PARTS FROM THE OTHER WINDOWS TO GET THAT WINDOW TO THE RIGHT SIZE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S NOT THE CORRECT SIZE.
IS THAT, IS THAT I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE LEFT SIDE AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE WINDOW NUMBER THREE IS, HAS, IT'S ACTUALLY WINDOW NUMBER ONE IS THE ONE THAT'S BEEN REBUILT AND THE WAY THEY REBUILT IT IS BY CUTTING DOWN THE SASH.
SO THEY TOOK OUT THE ROTTED PARTS AND REMOVED A HALF INCH OFF THE TOP HALF INCH OFF THE BOTTOM AND REASSEMBLED THEM.
WOULD UH, COMMISSIONER CARTER BE APPLICABLE TO ADJUSTING THAT TO, WELL, THE, THE INTENT AND SPIRIT OF THE, UH, THE MOTION IS THAT THEY TRY TO REUSE, UH, WHATEVER DECENT, UH, CONDITION SASHES ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM TO RECONSTRUCT THE TWO FRONT FACING WINDOWS USING HISTORIC MATERIALS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT TO THEIR ORIGINAL SIZE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? I DON'T, I DUNNO IF I APPROVE GIBBS.
MORALES IS ABSENT, MA AYE CARPENTER.
CERVANTES? YES, THE IS ABSENT AND FED.
AND STAFF CAN GET WITH YOU ON THOSE OTHER, UH, MANUFACTURERS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 4 9 3 26 RIVERSIDE.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF WITH THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
TWO, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE BY REMOVING THE TWO EXISTING DOOR OPENINGS AND CREATING A NEW DOOR OPENING CENTERED BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS OF WINDOWS.
THREE, REMOVE THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH AND CONSTRUCT A NEW SHIP PORCH ROOF FOUR, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE NORTHEAST FACADE BY RELOCATING TWO WINDOW OPENINGS AND MODIFYING THEIR SILL HEIGHTS.
AND FIVE, TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 72 CONDITIONS SQUARE FEET AS WELL AS A REAR COVERED PORCH.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION AT THE REPLACEMENT ROOF.
FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMP BRIDGE SEAM, AND A STANDARD GAL AND FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITH NO STRIATIONS OR CORRUGATION.
A ROOFING INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO INSPECT THE MATERIALS PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
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DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO.FENESTRATION MODIFICATION TO THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FRONT FACADE BE MAINTAINED AS IT EXISTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PORCH ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE NEW ROOF FEATURE GABLE PROFILE THAT IS CENTERED ON THE PRIMARY GABLE FEATURING ITS SUBORDINATE HEIGHT IS NOTED IN THE PHOTOS PROVIDED BY STAFF IN THE EXHIBITS TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH ROOF FEATURE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF TO MATCH THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
AND THREE, THAT THE DETAIL CON, THAT DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED TO O H B STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT INCLUDE COLUMN DETAILS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE.
FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE NORTHEAST FACADE BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THE NORTHEAST FACADE BE MAINTAINED AS IT EXISTS AND THAT WINDOWS MAINTAIN THEIR CURRENT PROFILE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
STIPULATION ONE IS IN REGARDS TO STAB STANDARDS FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS.
AND TWO, THAT A VERTICAL ELEMENT SHOULD BE ADDED ON BOTH THE SIDE AND REAR FACADES TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITION FROM ORIGINAL MASSING AND WALLS.
UH, THE APPLICANT NICK MELDY, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE PRESENT VIRTUALLY.
YEAH, SO, UH, ON, UH, THANK YOU EDWARD FOR THE, UH, INTRODUCTION AND, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
SO ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, REPLACING THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF OF A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
UM, WE ARE, UM, ACTUALLY WITH WITHDRAWING THAT, UH, REQUEST AND WILL, UH, AND ARE PLANNING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING SHINGLE ROOF, UM, AND, AND SIMPLY, UH, UH, CONTINUE WITH THAT ON, ON THE, ON THE ADDITION, WHICH, UM, CORRESPONDS ALSO WITH, UM, ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UM, AND, AND THEN, UM, I'LL SAY, UM, ON THE, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE, UM, FRONT FACADE, UH, BOTH, UM, WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FRONT FACADE, UH, SETS OF TWO WINDOWS, UM, ARE, UH, UH, WILL REMAIN THERE.
UH, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE, UH, THE FRONT DOOR OR, UH, DOORS IN THIS CASE, UH, THE, UH, IN, IN ORDER TO, UM, KIND OF MAKE THIS A, A, UH, USABLE FLOOR PLAN ON THE INTERIOR AND CREATE A LIVING ROOM SPACE ON THAT.
UH, IF, IF WE GO TO THE PLAN, EDWARD, PLEASE, UM, UH, SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG.
UM, HAVING THE, WE, WE DID ATTEMPT ORIGINALLY TO KEEP BOTH, UH, DOORS THERE, BUT THE LIVING SPACE WAS INCREDIBLY CRAMPED FOR A, UM, UH, AROUND 700 SQUARE FOOT, UH, ONE BEDROOM, POTENTIALLY ONE, UH, TWO BEDROOM, UH, ONE BATHROOM, UH, HOUSE.
AND SO, UH, WE, UH, LOOKED AT EXPANDING THE LIVING SPACE AND MAKING A HOME OFFICE, UM, IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, FRONT ROOM, UH, TO THE LEFT OF THE LIVING ROOM.
UM, AND THEN CENTERED THE DOOR ON THE, UH, FRONT FACADE.
UH, I, I, I THINK, UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, UH, OUR, OUR PLAN THEN WAS ALSO TO REUSE THAT, UH, THAT OTHER DOOR ON THE, ON THE REAR, UH, ADDITION, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK AS WELL.
I THINK WE, WE MAY HAVE DRAWN SOMETHING IN, UH, THAT'S, UH, A DIFFERENT PROFILE, BUT THE PLAN IS TO REUSE THAT, UM, OLD FRONT DOOR.
UM, THERE, I, I BELIEVE, UM, I BELIEVE BOTH WERE, UM, OF THAT, UH, SAME CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
I'M LOOKING AT MY OWN PHOTOS NOW, UH, RIGHT.
UM, AND, AND SO, SO THE TWO MATCHING FRONT DOORS, UM, AT THIS POINT, SO AGAIN, REUSING ONE AT THE FRONT DOOR, ONE AT THE BACK, UH, THE, UH, UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE NEW FRONT PORCH ROOF, UH, UH, EDWARD, IF WE CAN GO TO THE, UH, UH, THE PHOTOS OF THE, UH, OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, IT IS CLEAR THAT, THAT THE CURRENT GABLE, UH, ROOF WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE, TO THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT A, UH, ANOTHER
UH, I, I HAD NOT SEEN THOSE
UH, SO WHAT WE WERE, BUT WHAT OUR ATTEMPT WAS, UH, TO DO HERE WAS TO, UH, UH, UH, REVEAL, UH, THE GABLE VENT AT THE TOP AS A DECORATIVE ELEMENT AND, AND KIND OF MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMINENT RATHER THAN TAKING AWAY WITH ANOTHER GABLE
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FORM THERE.UM, IT SEEMED TO, UH, IT SEEMED TO US THAT, UH, THE GEOMETRY OF THE, UH, THE WIDTH OF THAT FRONT PORCH, UH, AND MAINTAINING THE, UH, SLOPE OF A GABLED, UH, FRONT PORCH WOULD, UH, DIMINISH I THINK THE, THE INTEREST OF THE VALUE OF THAT, UM, UH, UH, GABLE END VENT, UM, AT, AT THE, AT THE PEAK ON THE FRONT FACADE.
AND SO THAT IS WHY WE WENT WITH A SHED ROOF, UH, A SIMPLE ROOF FORM ACROSS THE, ACROSS THE FRONT, BUT OF COURSE ARE OPEN TO, UM, Y'ALL'S INPUT ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN, LET'S SEE, UH, THE PORT ROOF, PORCH ROOF, THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON, UH, UH, ELEVATION NUMBER TWO ON THIS PAGE, UH, ON THIS SHEET.
UM, THE NORTHEAST ELEVATION, UH, ARE, ARE, ARE DUE TO, UH, THE, UH, AGAIN, THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE, UH, OR THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE HOUSE WHERE WE HAVE THE KITCHEN, UH, IN THIS, UH, CORNER.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, I'M SORRY, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT ELEVATION, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ACTUALLY REUSE TWO, UH, TOP SASHES, UH, OF, UH, WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED ON THAT FACADE, UH, UH, AS, UH, AS AS AWNING WINDOWS, UM, SINCE, UH, THE, THE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOUBLE HUNG RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THE, THE LOWER SASH WOULD, UH, WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE COUNTERTOP, UM, IN THIS CASE.
AND SO, UH, AND SO THE WHERE THOSE, YEAH, IF WE GO TO THE YES, UH, THAT, THAT FACADE RIGHT THERE.
UM, SO THOSE WINDOWS IN THAT LOCATION WOULD NOT CURRENTLY WORK WITH, UH, WITH THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, AS IT'S DESIGNED AND, UH, WE'RE, WE WOULD PLAN TO REUSE THE TOPS.
UH, WE COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT, UH, UH, A DOUBLE, UH, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW SIMILAR TO THOSE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CHINEY, UM, AS NEW WINDOWS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL.
DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? THERE ARE NO COMMENTS.
SO TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE WITHDRAWING, UH, REQUEST NUMBER ONE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES NUMBER FIVE.
WELL, FIVE, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, UH, IT WOULD BE, UH, FIVE, UH, THE FIRST LINE OF ITEM FIVE, UM, THAT THE ADDITIONS OF ROOF FEATURE PANELS, UH, UH, THE, THE METAL ROOF SECTION OF ITEM FIVE.
ALRIGHT, THANK FIVE FIVE, RIGHT.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA JUMP IN HERE ON ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UM, THIS LITTLE MODEST HOUSE OBVIOUSLY HAD HAD THE TWO FRONT DOORS SINCE, UM, SINCE EARLY ON, WHETHER IT WAS A DUPLEX OR WHETHER ONE WENT INTO A BEDROOM AND ONE WENT INTO A LIVING ROOM.
AND I THINK LOSING THAT, UM, IS A LOSS TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE.
ONE THING THAT, UM, WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS LEAVE BOTH DOORS AND THEN, UH, THE MODIFICATIONS ON THE INTERIOR WOULD BASICALLY BLANK OFF THE ONE DOOR TO THE LEFT, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, UH, DO YOUR INTERIOR FRAMING AS YOU'VE DRAWN.
UM, I REMEMBER ONE CASE WE ACTUALLY, UH, APPROVED DELETING THE HARDWARE OFF THAT INACTIVE DOOR, UH, JUST SO SOMEONE COMING UP TO THE HOUSE DOESN'T GET CONFUSED AS TO WHICH ONE'S THE ACTIVE LEAF AND WHICH ONE'S NOT.
UH, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IN INSTEAD OF REMOVING, UH, ONE DOOR AND RELOCATING THE OTHER TO THE CENTER OF THE PORCH, UM, I THINK I COULD, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR RATIONALE FOR THE SHED ROOFS AND I BELIEVE I COULD SUPPORT THAT FOR THE PORCHES.
UM, ON NUMBER FOUR, THE SIDE WINDOW MODIFICATIONS AGAIN, UM, MAYBE ASK YOU TO LOOK AT, UM, FRAMING AND GBOARD OVER THE LOWER SASH OF THOSE WINDOWS AND LEAVING THE, THE FULL HEIGHT SASH.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT, UH, OTHER COMMISSIONERS SAY ON, ON, UH, THESE THOUGHTS.
UM, I TEND TO AGREE, UH, VERY MUCH WITH ALL OF YOUR SUGGESTIONS.
UM, UM, ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE DOOR DILEMMA, UM, PERHAPS THE ONE ON, EXCUSE ME, THE ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE
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MIGHT BE THE ONE THAT REMAINS OPERABLE AND A LITTLE BIT OF FLOOR PLAN CHANGING ON THE INSIDE OCCURS WHERE THE CLOSET GETS TAKEN OUT AND, UM, RELOCATED.BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A INTERIOR THING, BUT I THINK THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF A RELATIVELY GOOD AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE FLOOR PLAN THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A DOOR EITHER ONE OF THOSE DOORS IN THEIR CURRENT POSITION.
I'VE IN THE PAST BEEN ABLE SUCCESSFULLY TO, UM, BUILD THE CABINETS AND COUNTERTOPS IN A WAY THAT KEEPS A FULL SIZE WINDOW FRAME MAKING THE LOWER SASH FIXED IN THE UPPER ONE OPERABLE.
SO YOU STILL GET THAT VENTING CAPABILITY.
UM, AND, AND, AND I SAY THESE THINGS NOT LIGHTLY BECAUSE IT'S ON PAPER AND IT'S EASY TO DO ON PAPER, BUT THIS HOUSE IS SO SMALL THAT TOO MANY MOVES AND CHANGES COULD, WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER DRAMATICALLY.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MARGIN FOR ERROR ON THIS HOUSE.
UM, AND, AND THE SHED ROOF I THINK IS A REASONABLE, UH, SUBSTITUTION FOR WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A GABLE ROOF AT SOME POINT.
YEAH, I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BECAUSE IT IS A VERY CURIOUS IMAGE THAT, UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE ON, ON, UH, THROUGH OUR FRIENDS AT GOOGLE THAT, UH, SHOWS A REALLY RUSTIC, UH, FRONT GD ELEMENT ON THE FRONT OF THAT HOUSE.
IS IT YOUR SUSPICION THAT THAT WAS SOMEONE'S WEEKEND WARRIOR JOB TO, UH, TO REBUILD A PORCH? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS SO OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE, THE VERY MODEST, UH, CRAFTSMAN STYLE OF HOUSE? YEAH, STAFF IS PRIMARILY TALKING ABOUT THE FORM.
UM, THAT FORM IS VERY TYPICAL OF THE CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
UH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS.
UM, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF UP HERE AT THE FRONT, BUT UM, TYPICALLY WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT AS WELL AS IN LAVACCA AND KING WILLIAM, UM, THIS SMALLER OPEN FRONT GABLE, UH, ON THE FRONT OF A FRONT FACING GABLE CRAFTSMAN HOME IS PRETTY STANDARD, WHETHER IT'S CENTERED OR OFFSET TO THE SIDE.
UH, SO, UH, LOOKING BACK THROUGH, UH, GOOGLE PHOTOS AND SEEING THIS, UM, BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS A PRETTY GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT ORIGINALLY WOULD'VE EXISTED.
UH, SO, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF THE APPLICANT PROPOSING A SHED ROOF, UM, VERSUS, UM, OR PROPOSING A SHED ROOF STAFF FINDS THAT, UH, SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES WOULD BE MOST ARCHITECTURALLY ACCURATE.
YEAH, I TEND TO CONCUR WITH THAT, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE, I MEAN, EVEN WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT EVIDENCE THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IT'S THE GABLE IN THAT GOT KIND OF RUSTICALLY INFILLED, BUT, BUT THE BASIC BODY OF WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY IS PRETTY CLEAR.
AND SO I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF, UM, A, UH, A GABLE FRONT ON THAT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT'S THERE IS IS NOT VERY, UH, APPROPRIATE OR SENSITIVE TO THE STRUCTURE, SO I COULD SEE THAT AS A, AS PERHAPS A BETTER APPROACH SINCE WE HAVE SOME DOCUMENTATION.
WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, AND I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, EARLIER COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THE RETAINING THE WINDOWS AND THE TWO FRONT DOORS.
I THINK THAT'S A REAL, UH, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THIS TINY STRUCTURES THAT IT DID HAVE TWO, TWO FRONT DOORS LIKE THAT, AND THERE'S WAYS OF, OF MANAGING THAT, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH THE DESIGN DETAILING TO, TO RETAIN, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU NEED.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UH, MR. UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO THE GABLE ON THE FRONT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THAT SAME LOCATION, WOULD IT? SO THE EXISTING GABLE THAT'S THERE WAS ADDED RIGHT OFF OF THE, UH, PRIMARY ROOF.
THE HISTORIC GABLE WOULD'VE BEEN LOWER THAN THAT, AS SEEN IN THAT IMAGE RIGHT THERE, THAT STAFF IS SHOWING, UH, YES TO CLEAR THE VENT AT THE RIDGE? YES.
SO WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION? I'M SORRY, LET ME PUT THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN.
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I'LL ALSO ECHO THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN ITEM NUMBER ONE, SO, UH, I'LL JUST REMOVE THAT FROM THE SCREEN.SO, UM, I MOVE FOR, UM, DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE FRONT FACADE APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE CON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE PORCH OF THE ROOF WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT IT, UH, FOLLOW A GABLE PROFILE INSPIRED BY THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC FORM AND, UH, DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE NORTHEAST FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RIGHT? SORRY, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
HE ITEM NUMBER FOUR? YES, THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM SO I CAN REPEAT THAT IF NECESSARY.
DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND DENIAL OF ITEM FOUR.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER CUBES? I SECOND.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, COULD YOU, UH, COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RARE ADDITION? UH, YEAH, THAT IS IN, IN ENTAILED IN THIS, YES.
AND SO APPROVAL OF ST OF, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, A CLARIFICATION ITEM FIVE, I MENTIONS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AND THE APPLICANT IS GOING WITH A SHINGLE ROOF, SO YEAH, AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH THIS ONE MORE TIME, SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT SLEEP DEPRIVATION WILL GIVE YOU.
UM, DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, DENIAL OF ITEM FOUR, APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE CLARIFICATION THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS WITHDRAWN THE REQUEST FOR STANDING SEA METAL ROOF.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH IS ABSENT.
MORALES IS ABSENT, MA? AYE CARPENTER.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 21 5 92 7 0 3 MISSION ROAD.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE AT 7 0 3 MISSION ROAD LOCATED WITHIN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT ONE.
THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN CANOPY LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION.
THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS REQUESTING A REVIEW OF CONTRIBUTING STATUS FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
BEAR WITH ME, IT'S SCROLLING A LITTLE SLOW.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF BOTH THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING DESIGN WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES PARKING AND SITE DESIGN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LANDSCAPING, PARKING, AND SITE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN THE U D C SECTION 35,672 AND THE MISSION HISTORIC DIS DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL IS NOTED IN FINDING I PARKING ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY ON EAST MITCHELL SHOULD BE ADEQUATELY BUFFERED PARKING.
PARKING DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY LANDSCAPING ISLANDS.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C SECTION 35,672 AND THE MISSION HISTORIC DESIGN MANUAL IS NOTED IN FINDING P REVISIONS THAT ADDRESS STIPULATION I AND FIND, OR EXCUSE ME, STIPULATION ONE AND FINDING I SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A DESIGN DUMPSTER LOCATION ON SITE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDING T FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCES ELEMENTS THAT SEPARATE BLANK FACADES SUCH AS CHANGES IN MATERIALS, WALL PLANES OR FENESTRATION IS NOTED IN FINDING K FOUR THAT THE PROPOSED STUCCO AND STONE BE APPLIED IN A TRADITIONAL MANNER AND THAT THE STONE IS NOT SIMPLY STONE VENEER IS NOTED IN FINDING
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O SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND THAT WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND CONSTRUCTION.IS NOTED IN FINDING M SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED FUEL CANOPY IS NOTED IN FINDING Q.
THE PROPOSED CANOPY SHOULD FEATURE MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSION MANUAL AND SHOULD NOT RESULT IN THE CREATION OF LIGHT POLLUTION.
THAT THE APPLICANT DEVELOPS A DETAILED SIGNAGE PACKAGE TO SUBMIT TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDING R NINE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AS NOTED IN FINDING N AND THAT CONJECTURAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES SUCH AS THE TOWER ELEMENTS BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF MORE MODERN DESIGN THAT UTILIZES TRADITIONAL MATERIALS AND FORM 10 THAT ALL MECHANICAL AND SERVICE EQUIPMENT BE LOCATED IN A MANNER THAT SCREENS IT FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
STIPULATION 11 IS IN REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY AND STIPULATION 12 THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENT OPTIONS THAT PRESERVE, RELOCATE OR RECREATE THE MURAL ON SITE.
A DETAILED PLAN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED WHEN RETURNING TO THE COMMISSION.
THE APPLICANT, FRANK TELLIS IS HERE.
UM, FRANK, YES, I WENT THROUGH THE STIPULATIONS AND UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON 'EM.
WE WILL COMPLY WITH EVERY SINGLE RECOMMENDATION FROM HISTORIC AND LIKE I SAID, WE ARE WORKING AS WE SPEAK ON THE ACTUAL CHANGES.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? WE DO NOT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? GIVEN THE APPLICANT'S, UM, ACCEPTANCE OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, I WOULD, UH, MOVE, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH IS ABSENT.
ANTE YES IS ABSENT AND FE AYE.
AND JUST A NOTE FOR THE APPLICANT.
AS Y'ALL DEVELOP THE LANDSCAPE PLANS AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, MAYBE LOOK FOR A LOCATION FOR THE DUMPSTER THAT'S NOT BACKING UP TO MISSION ROAD PO POSSIBLY IN THE UM, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
BUT AS YOU DEVELOP THESE PLANS, IF UH, YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 1 OR EXCUSE ME, 1 77 9 0 9 HAYES STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE INCLUDING WINDOW REPAIR.
TWO, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO ON THE EAST AND WEST FACADES BY CREATING NEW WINDOW OPENINGS AND MODIFYING EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS.
REMOVE THE EXISTING ROOF DORMER ON THE NORTH, THAT IS THE REAR ROOF SLOPE.
CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE A TOTAL OF 611 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING BOTH CONDITION AND NON-CON CONDITION SPACE AND FIVE, PERFORM APRON.
CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WINDOW REPAIR BASED ON FINDING B.
WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WINDOWS ARE REPAIRED IN CON TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF VITAL NUMBER TWO.
FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE EAST AND WEST FACADE BASED ON FINDING.
C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS BE MAINTAINED AND THAT NO NEW WINDOW OPENINGS BE CREATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOOTPRINT.
EVIDENCE OF PREVIOUSLY ENCLOSED WINDOWS MAY BE PRESENTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REHABILITATION.
THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REMOVAL OF REAR ROOF, DORMER OF THE REAR ROOF DORMER BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE WAYS TO MAINTAIN THE DORMER OR INCORPORATE THE DORMER'S RIDGE LINE INTO THAT OF THE PROPOSED EDITION.
FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT EITHER A SETBACK OR VERTICAL TRIM PIECE BE ADDED TO THE EAST FACADE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITION FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
TWO, THAT ALL COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH AND A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE.
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RECOMMENDS THAT ALL TRIM MATCH THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND PROFILE AND DIMENSION THREE THAT WOULD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.THAT THE ADDITION FEATURE WINDOW PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO THE REAR EDITION FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE WAYS TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING REAR DORMER OR INCORPORATE THE DORMER'S RIDGE LINE INTO THAT OF THE PROPOSED EDITION.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE, A, EXCUSE ME, THAT THE ADDITION'S ROOF SLOPE MATCH THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S ROOF SLOPE AND FIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DRIVEWAY CURB CUT AND APRON MODIFICATIONS, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY NOT FEATURE MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND THAT THE EXISTING CURB CUT AND APRON BE MAINTAINED.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS A CASE COMMENT, THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS NOTE THE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REVIEWED AT A FUTURE TIME ONCE THE APPLICANT PROVIDES, UM, UH, A CONTRACTOR STATEMENT NOTING THE CONDITION AND AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP STATEMENT.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, FRANK TEIS IS HERE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, UM, FRANK, YEAH, I WENT THROUGH THE STIPULATIONS AND WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE DRAWINGS TO, TO MAINTAIN THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST, UH, FACADE AND KEEPING THE, UH, DORMER.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DISTURB ANY OF THE ACTUAL WINDOWS.
WE'RE KEEPING ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND THE ONLY WINDOWS WE'RE ADDING ARE THE ONES TO THE ADDITION AT THE REAR.
AND I KNOW I PROVIDED DRAWINGS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I PROVIDED THEM ON TIME FOR Y'ALL TO REVIEW IT.
WELL, I, I THINK TECHNICALLY NOT, BUT I DID LOOK AT THESE AND I DO WANT TO, IF, UH, THE CHAIRMAN WILL ALLOW JUST TO MENTION, UM, UH, FRANK, THE MAINTAINING OF THE REAR DORMER IS FINE.
UM, BUT I DO WANNA NOTE THAT YOU CAN MAINTAIN OR PROPOSE A ROOF FORM SIMILAR TO, UH, WHAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED.
UM, HERE I THINK BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO INCORPORATE, UM, OR TIE IN THE NEW RIDGE LINE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF THE DORMER, UM, BASICALLY MAINTAINING SOME SEMBLANCE OR SOME FORM OR NOTION OF THE DORMER'S PREVIOUS EXISTENCE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE PRE THE REAR ROOF FORM AS YOU PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED IS OKAY, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE, UM, THIS DRAMATIC SHED PROFILE HERE.
UM, THAT MAY GIVE YOU QUITE A MORE BIT MORE SPACE, UM, IN THE ADDITION.
SO I, I GUESS A COMBINATION OF THE TWO OF WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN HERE.
BUT, UM, TO NOTE THAT I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN MEET WITH STAFF ON, UM, THE APPLICANT'S AGREEING WITH THAT STIPULATION.
FRANK, BASICALLY, UM, IF YOU CAN PROPOSE TO, UH, SORRY, I'M GONNA JUMP BACK OVER.
IF YOU CAN PROPOSE TO ESSENTIALLY COMBINE THIS FORM OF THE REAR ADDITION, UH, WITH THE FORM OF THE PRIMARY HOUSE AND MAINTAIN AND, YOU KNOW, A RICH HEIGHT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THAT OF THE DORMER, UM, THEN I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS, THAT'S MEETS STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND IF WE NEED TO TOUCH BASE ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO MAYBE SKETCH AN IDEA OUT THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO YOUR ARCHITECT, THEN I CAN DO THAT.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? THERE ARE NO CITIZENS TO BE HEARD.
QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, UNLESS WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, I WOULD BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE, UM, EXCEPT ITEM NUMBER ONE, STRIKE NUMBER TWO, BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST OR CHANGE OF PLAN, UM, APPROVE, UH, OR DENY NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF'S, BUT ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, SUPPORT APPROVE NUMBER FOUR WITH STAFF'S STIPULATIONS AND SUPPORT.
NUMBER FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GIVES A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? JUST A QUICK, UH, QUESTION ABOUT
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ITEM NUMBER THREE THERE.'CAUSE IT DOES SOUND LIKE, UH, WITH STAFF'S GUIDANCE WE'RE ONTO THE PATH OF, OF A SOLUTION THERE.
WOULD YOU INCLUDE AN APPROVAL BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF TO RESOLVE THOSE FINAL BITS? YES, THAT'S APPLICANT WORKED WITH STAFF TO MEET THE, UH, UH, STIPULATION OF A GABLE ROOF THAT WORKS FROM THE DORMER RATHER THAN THE EXTENSIVE SHED ROOF IN THE BACK.
CAN I ALSO INTERVENE HERE FOR, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO? I AM KEEPING THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS.
SO I WOULD WORK WITH STAFF TO GET THAT.
ALSO, YOU CAN GIVE US A CONDITION, CORRECT, FRANK, THAT'S, THAT'S NOTED.
UH, BASICALLY, UH, WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO, YOU JUST WORK WITH US AT THAT FROM, FROM HERE ON OUT.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
CARPENTER A AYE GU VIS ABSENT ANTE? YES.
ITEM 21, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 79 DAWSON AT NORTH OLIVE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THREE ONE STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DAWSON AND NORTH HOLLOW.
IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THESE LOTS ARE CURRENTLY UNADDRESSED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, BUILDING SETBACKS AND BUILDING ORIENTATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO CONFIRM A SETBACK ON NORTH OLIVE STREET THAT IS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT FOUND AT NINE, EXCUSE ME, FIVE 19 NORTH OLIVE FOR ALL THREE STRUCTURES.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES SPECIFIC MEASUREMENTS RELATING TO BUILDING SPACING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING SPACING FOUND HISTORICALLY ON NORTH OLIVE.
THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE ENTRANCE ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE DOOR ON THE DAWSON FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING G FOR THE APPLICANT, INCORPORATE TRADITIONALLY SIZED AND PLACED WINDOW OPENINGS WHEN DEVELOPING THE DESIGN.
THE DESIGN OF EACH STRUCTURE IS NOTED IN FINDING K UM, THE APPLICANT, MR. UH, RAW RUIZ IS HERE, UH, WITH THIS VIRTUALLY.
THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO GET THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTS AND DRAWINGS FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, BUT BASICALLY EVERYTHING YOU GUYS SAID, I, I MEAN I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF IT.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD, UH, REGARDING THE SPACING, UH, FROM OUR STRUCTURES TO THE ONES, UH, IN ACCORDANCE TO OLIVE AND DAWSON IS, I MEAN IT, AM I SUPPOSED TO SPACE OUR HOMES EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHERS ON THE STREET OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT THERE? I WILL LET, UH, COMMISSIONERS PROVIDE FEEDBACK AS THEY, AS THEY SEE FIT, BUT, UM, MR. RUIZ, I THINK IT IS BUILDING SPACING SHOULDN'T BE SO DISSIMILAR THAT IT APPEARS ODD OR DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS YOU KNOW, ON NORTH OLIVE, UH, FIVE 19.
AND THEN THE STRUCTURES TO THE FURTHER SOUTH ARE ACTUALLY, UH, I WOULD SAY RELATIVELY CLOSER, UM, THAN WHAT YOU MAY FIND, UH, PREDOMINANTLY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, GENERALLY, UH, I GUESS WHAT STAFF SHOULD SAY IS WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED LOOKS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE BLOCK, BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING YOU TO CONFIRM FOR SURE.
OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
UM, COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
I WAS PART OF THE DRCS FOR, UM, AT LEAST SOME OF 'EM FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT HAS, UM, TRANSFORMED QUITE A BIT, REFINED QUITE A BIT AND, UM, I THINK THESE WILL BE, UH, A REALLY GOOD ADDITION TO THAT LONG VACANT LOT, LONG TIME VACANT LOT THAT, UM, HAS QUITE A BIT OF CONFORMING URBAN DEVELOPMENT OR I'M SORRY, URBAN PATTERN AND STYLE CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAKE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR MAKE THE DISTRICT WHAT IT IS.
I THINK THESE WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION.
YES, I WOULD CONCUR AND SEVERAL OF THE DRCS RELATED TO THIS AND,
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AND, UH, COMMEND THE OWNER AND THE ARCHITECTS FOR DEVELOPING THIS AND, AND, UM, PRESENTING SOMETHING THAT IS I THINK, UH, WILL BE QUITE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.YEAH, I JUST WOULD, UH, LIKE TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT AND EXPRESS MY THANKS TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE, UM, IN THE DRCS.
I THINK THE RESULT OF THIS IS, IS, UH, REALLY QUITE COMPATIBLE AND IT'S SO REFRESHING TO SEE A PROJECT WHERE SOMEONE ISN'T TRYING TO SHOVE THREE STORIES OF TIGHTLY PACKED TOWN HOMES ONTO A SITE.
THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, A NICE SCALED PROJECT, SO I COMMEND THE, UH, THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, IF, UH, WE HAVE NO OTHER DISCUSSION BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ONLINE, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL OF THEIR STIPULATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2 2 2 1 9 8 8 0 1 MATAGORDA.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF WITH THE RIDGE CAP ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 8 0 1.
MATAGORDA STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIT RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GALVAO FINISH PANELS SHOULD NOT FEATURE CORRUGATION OR STRIATION THE APPLICANT MR. JAMES CARAWAY AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
MS. JEANIE GARCIA ARE HERE IN PERSON.
WOULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM PLEASE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M THE HOMEOWNER OF 8 0 1 MATAGORDA HERE IN LA BACA.
JAMES CARAWAY, US ARMY RETIRED OPERATION DESERT STORM, UM, OWNER OPERATOR, THIRD DAY STORM RESTORATION.
SO THIS WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT RECEIVING THE REVIEW, UM, AND APPROVAL BY O H P AND A PERMIT, IS THAT CORRECT? CONTACTING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES APPLICATION WAS MADE ONLINE AFTER A PHONE CALL TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASKED TWO QUESTIONS, WHAT TYPE OF ROUTE ARE YOU MAKING? WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEM ARE YOU INSTALLING? I TOLD 'EM IT WAS ARE YOU ALTERING THE STRUCTURE? I SAID, NO, THEY SAID SIMPLY APPLY, AND THAT WAS ALL, I NEVER RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION THAT THIS CERTIFICATE WAS NEEDED.
RIGHT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT LEFT HAND DOES IN THIS BUILDING, MY UNDERSTANDING.
UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE PHOTOS, BUT ARE THE PANELS, UH, STRIATED? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE FLAT PANELS? CORRECT.
SO THEN WE'VE GOT, UH, THE RIDGE CAP AND THESE, UM, END CAPS ARE, UM, SEEMS TO ME ARE THE, THE ISSUE HERE.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER IS, WAS THIS HOUSE A RECIPIENT OF A CONSERVATION SOCIETY GRANT? UH, YES IT WAS.
AND WAS IT, AND FOR WHAT WORK WAS THAT GRANTED? UH, THAT WAS FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF.
IT WAS A PARTIAL, PARTIAL GRANT, UH, FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF.
AND THEN IN THAT GRANT, UH, AWARD, WAS THERE COMMENTARY OR DIRECTIONS THAT, UM, THIS WAS TO
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COMPLY WITH O H P, UM, HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR ROOFS? UH, NO.IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, JUST A GENERAL BUILDING GRANT FOR $6,000 TOWARDS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF.
AND, YOU KNOW, I OWN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO IT AND REPLACED THAT ROOF AS WELL.
AND SO MY, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN IT WAS TIME TO, TO DO THE ROOF, UM, IT WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M JUST REALLY KIND OF THINKING LOGICALLY AND LOOKING AT, AT MY HOME, BUILT BY THE SAME, BY THE SAME PERSON AT THE SAME TIME AND THE SAME, UH, HISTORIC, UM, DESIGNATION.
AND SO I STARTED LOOKING AROUND AND IT'S MADE SENSE TO ME THAT WHEN THAT ROOF WAS REPLACED BACK WHEN I BOUGHT THAT HOUSE, THAT, UH, GIVEN THE, THE LOCATION AND THE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AROUND EVERY OTHER ROOF IS THE SAME AS AS THAT ONE.
AND SO WE JUST WENT AHEAD AND REPLACED IT WITH THE SAME ROOF THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT MY HOME HAS.
SO, SO THERE APPLICATION PAPERWORK FOR THAT REPAIR WORKS AND NOTHING ABOUT, UM, MEETING CITY GUIDELINES OR O H P GUIDELINES? UH, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THE PROTOCOL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY IN WHICH THINGS WORK.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT I'M COMPLYING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, THIS POOR LITTLE HOME WAS BOUGHT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND, UH, WE HAVE COME BACK NUMEROUS TIMES TO DO EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
YOU GUYS WOULD MAYBE RECOGNIZE THIS POOR HOME, BUT YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDING TO THE WINDOWS AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS, IS BEING DONE THE WAY, UH, COMPLIANT, YOU KNOW, TO H O P I THINK WITH THE, I THINK THERE WAS A BIT OF A DISCONNECT WITH THE ROOF.
UM, HONESTLY, I HIRED, UH, JAMES OVER HERE TO, TO GET A NEW ROOF ON THERE AND, AND WE, WE LOOKED AT IT AND HE GAVE ME A QUOTE, WHICH BY THE WAY SHOULD HAVE HAD THE ROOF DONE BEFORE COVID.
UM, BECAUSE NOW IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE IN PRICE.
SO, UH, NONETHELESS, UH, HERE WE ARE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WHATEVER MY PART IS IN, IN THIS PROCESS THAT I SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY SO GRACIOUSLY GAVE ME A, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING GRANT.
I'LL TAKE EVERY PENNY OF THAT $6,000.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE GREAT INTENTION OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, UH, IS ASKED OF US TO DO.
YEAH, THANK YOU, UH, CHAIRMAN.
JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE CONTRACTOR 'CAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE IN, YOU KNOW,
WE'VE ENCOUNTERED THIS BEFORE AND, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S, UM, KIND OF MOST, UM, UH, EVIDENT OR THAT THAT STANDS OUT WHEN WE LOOK AT A ROOF LIKE THIS IS THAT THAT SORT OF IN CAP THAT'S THERE AT THE RIDGE, UH, VENT AND UM, ONE SOLUTION WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEONE TAKE THAT WHOLE RIDGE VENT OFF AND RESE THE PANELS AND, AND DO THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE HISTORIC CRIMP IS TO MODIFY THOSE GABLE END CAPS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT SO PROMINENT SO THAT THEY MAYBE EITHER FOLD DOWN INTO THE ROOF OR JUST SO YOU STEP BACK, UH, WITH THAT AND MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS OBVIOUS.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THIS CASE WHERE YOU'RE JUST MODIFYING THOSE ENDS OF THOSE, UH, THOSE GABLE ENDS? I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY NOT.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, UH, THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE A SIMPLE SOLUTION OKAY.
AND SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING.
ALRIGHT, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY CHAIRMAN.
WE'VE, UM, ENCOUNTERED THIS CONDITION IN OTHER CASES AND, UM, HAVE LOOKED AT MODIFYING THAT END CAP SO IT FOLLOWS THE GABLE AND, AND, UH, PITCH OF THE ROOF RATHER THAN HAVING THAT LITTLE, UH, FLAT PLATE THAT'S ON THE END OF THE, THE GABLE.
CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS THEN PLEASE.
UM, WE MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE, UH, STIPULATION THAT, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, THE STAFF STIPULATION, UH, THAT'S, UH, LET ME BACK UP.
PANEL SIZES ARE THEY, DO THEY FALL BETWEEN THE 18 TO 21 SIZE? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, SO I'LL INCLUDE THAT IN THERE.
AND SMOOTH PANELS, EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COMPLIES WITH THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, THE SEAM HEIGHTS, ARE THEY BETWEEN ONE AND TWO INCHES? THEY ARE.
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PANELS NOT HAVE, UH, FEATURE CORRUGATION OR STRIATIONS, YOU SAID? THEY DO NOT.AND WITH THE FURTHER, UH, STIPULATION THAT THE GABLE END CAPS BE MODIFIED SO AS TO TRANSITION FLAT WITH THE, UH, THE EDGE OF THE, THE GABLE METAL ROOF PANELS.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION TOMORROW THEN I WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL GIBBS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 61 21 60 WEST SUMMIT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE THE REAR ALLEY FACING ROOF PARAPET ON THE ADDITION TO IMPROVED DRAINAGE.
TWO, REPLACE THE METAL CLAD PATIO DOORS ON THE REAR ELEVATION.
THREE, REPLACE THE STEEL CASEMENT WINDOWS ON THE REAR ELEVATION.
RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR BALCONY MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING C.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REAR ADDITION WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOW CONFIGURATION.
THE WINDOWS SHOULD, UH, MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER SARAH SILVER IS, UM, WITH US VIRTUALLY.
HELLO? YES, THIS IS SARAH MANSKY.
IF YOU'LL, UH, PRESENT YOUR APPLICATION.
SO WE HAVE, UM, IN THE BACK OF OUR HOME, UH, WE'VE, WE MOVED INTO OUR HOME IN 2017, UM, AND DONE A NUMBER OF THINGS, UH, TO TRY TO, TO, TO HELP WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE DID NEW ROOFS AT THE TIME TO TRY TO HELP WITH SOME WATER INFILTRATION.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH THE MASONRY AND WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE KIND OF CAN FROM THE INTERIOR PERSPECTIVE AND THE EXTERIOR AS OF YET TO FIX SOME OF THE WATER INFILTRATION AND DAMAGES THAT WE'VE FOUND.
UM, WE'VE HAVEN'T BEEN SUPER SUCCESSFUL IN THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THESE PHOTOS.
OUR MASON REASON REALLY BAD DISREPAIR AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN GET STAFF APPROVAL TO WORK ON THAT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO ASKING TO DO ARE THREE THINGS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE HOME, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE TWO LARGE WINDOWS ON EITHER END AND A SET OF PATIO DOORS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
THESE HAD BEEN REPLACED AT SOME POINT AND WERE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME, NOR IS THIS PART OF THE ADDITION.
THIS WAS AN ADDITION THAT WAS PLACED IN 1957.
SO WE'RE ASKING BASICALLY TO, UH, REPLACE BOTH OF THESE SETS OF WINDOWS AS WELL AS THE SET OF DOORS.
UM, WITH NEW FUNCTIONING WINDOWS.
AS YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE ARE EVEN HOLES IN THE WINDOWS THAT WERE WINDOW UNITS HAD BEEN PLACED THAT WE HAD TO, UH, BOARD UP WITH SOME WOOD.
WHEN WE MOVED IN, IT WAS JUST OPEN AIR HOLES IN THE WINDOWS.
THERE YOU GO, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN FROM THE SET OF DOORS, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO BOLT SHUT THE TOPS AND BOTTOMS DUE TO BURGLARIES AND JUST THE COMPLETE DISREPAIR OF THE DOORS.
UM, YOU CAN BASICALLY JUST PUSH THEM OPEN EVEN WITH THE DEADBOLT.
UH, WE TRIED TO REINSTALL IT AT ONE POINT AND THE BOTTOM JUST, UH, ENTIRE THING FELL APART FROM THE THRESHOLD.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN, UH, REPLACE THESE WITH MODERN FUNCTIONING DOORS.
WE HAVE SUBMITTED THE, UH, THE SPECS FOR WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO REPLACE WITH, WHICH IS EITHER ALUMINUM, PLAID, OR WOOD.
UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PELLA SPECIFICALLY.
AND THEN THE THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE REMOVAL OF THE PARAPET ON TOP OF THIS BACK 1957 EDITION PORTION.
UM, AS IT WAS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO RESTORE THIS SECTION OF THE HOME BACK TO WHAT WOULD BE MORE IN LINE IN OUR OPINION WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOME.
AND WHAT'S PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT TO US IS THAT EVEN WITH TRYING TO INSTALL
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A BRAND NEW T P O ROOF WHEN WE MOVED IN, WE'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL IN AT KEEPING WATER OUT.UM, WE, YOU CAN SEE WITH SOME OF THESE TOP PHOTOGRAPHS RIGHT THERE, YOU HAVE THE BRICK DETERIORATION AND CRACKING.
UM, THEY'RE ALL DISPLACED BRICK THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PARAPET AREA AND WATER HAS BEEN POOLING ON THAT T P O ROOF AND GOING THROUGH THE MASONRY AND JUST KIND OF BEING STATIC ON THAT TOP AND SLOWLY SEEPING INTO OUR HOME.
UM, EVEN, UH, COMING THROUGH SOME OF THE BRAND NEW SHEET ROCK AND INSULATION THAT WE PUT IN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL AND THEN WE'LL GET TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ADDRESS NUMBER 2 1 6 0 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 1 61.
I'M CHAIR OF THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I'M LEAVING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND IT'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE HOMEOWNER FOR INVESTING IN THEIR HOME AND IN THE PROTECTION OF THE STRUCTURE FROM WEATHERED ELEMENTS AND ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING ON THE REAR FACING, UH, FACADE OF THE HOME WITH REPLACEMENT OF THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AND INCLUDING THE STIPULATION THAT STAFF HAS FOR ITEMS THREE.
WE'RE ALSO THANKFUL FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN THE CASE NOTES REGARDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, UH, THAT WE'LL BE ADDRESSING ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS NOT IN THE APPLICATION TO H D R C.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMPLETION OF THIS PRODUCT PROJECT AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS FOR INVESTING IN THEIR HOME FOR IT TO BE HERE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.
UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, SARAH, DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR TAKE ANY EXCEPTION TO, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING.
WE WERE PLEASED TO HAVE THE APPRO, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THAT AND WE DO NOT, UH, WISH TO VEER AWAY FROM ANY OF THOSE STIPULATIONS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, SELECTING A GOOD PRODUCT AND, AND, UH, IT WILL BE A NICE TREND, UH, NICE, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE THERE.
SO UNLESS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 55 0 4.
KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A WOOD PERGOLA ON THE REAR BALCONY, AND TWO, INSTALL A WOOD PERGOLA AT THE REAR ELEVATION.
ITEMS ONE AND TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PERGOLA INSTALLATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PERGOLAS ARE INSTALLED SO THAT THEY ARE REVERSIBLE CONDITIONS AND ARE INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ATTACHMENT TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT UPDATED INSTALLATION PLANS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWING THE MATERIAL AND DIMENSIONS FOR ALL PROPOSED SITE WORK AND TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET FOR THIS REQUEST AND THE APPLICANT, DANIEL CRUZ, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY.
UM, WELL FIRST OFF, I JUST WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THAT, UM, WE, WE, UH, WE AGREE WITH STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT, UH, FINAL, FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR YOU GUYS, UH, THE PROPOSALS, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL SITE WORK TO BE DONE.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, OR I KNOW I SUBMITTED SOME ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS OR FOR THE PERGOLA CONNECTION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, IS WHAT I SUBMITTED, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT, UM, WE ARE REQUESTING OR IS THAT STILL NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH, UH, TO GET APPROVAL? YES, STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT THE STIPULATION IS THAT THE PERGOLAS ARE INDEPENDENT FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND ARE NOT ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY
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STRUCTURE.SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS HERE WHERE WE HAVE THE MAIN PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A MASONRY STRUCTURE OF SOLID LIMESTONE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAR ELEVATION, I BELIEVE IT'S ON SHEET THREE, UM, OF OUR SUBMISSION, UM, THE, THE THE FAR RIGHT SECTION IS ALL IN ADDITION.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THE SAME STIPULATION APPLY TO THAT, THAT ADDITION? UH, YES IT DOES.
UM, NOW THERE'S SOME AREAS AS WELL THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WHERE WE HAVE THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAS A BASEMENT, UM, AND WE, I I GET THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP, KEEP THE STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING THAT'S REVERSIBLE NOW WITH, WITH WHAT WE PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, OF RUNNING A LEDGER BOARD ALONG THE MASONRY THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REMOVED AT ANY TIME, UM, AND BE RESUCK OVER.
UM, IS THAT, THAT STILL IS NOT SUFFICIENT IN ANY WAY TO MEET YOUR GUYS' STIPULATIONS? WELL, I BELIEVE THE CONCERN IS, UH, ATTACHMENT PUTTING ANCHORS INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, THAT, UH, TECHNICALLY I GUESS IT'D BE REVERSIBLE, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT, UH, LOTS OF, UH, HOLES THROUGH YOUR EXTERIOR WALL THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, WATERPROOFED AND PATCHED AND WHETHER YOU, WHETHER A, UH, FINISH COULD BE, UM, REPAIRED AND MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF THE PER UH, PERGOLA HAD NEVER BEEN THERE.
I THINK THAT IS, UH, SOME QUESTION.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT STATEMENT.
SO THE, THE BIGGEST THING THAT, THE REASON WHY WE FEEL LIKE THAT IT IS, THAT IT IS DOABLE AND THAT IS THIS IS CONSIDERED REVERSIBLE IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY NOT SHOWN AT ALL.
IF YOU LOOK AT PHOTOS OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT WHAT IS DEPICTED IS ACTUALLY A PLASTER FINISH WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, A A, UM, THERE'S A ONE INCH LAYER OF PLASTER THAT'S BEEN APPLIED TO THE EXISTING LIMESTONE.
SO WE FELT LIKE, AS, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO INSTALL LEDGER BLOCK, YES, THERE WOULD BE SOME, THERE WOULD BE SOME, IF THIS WAS TO BE REMOVED AT ANY TIME, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO INFILL ALL, ALL HOLES WITH THE APPROPRIATE WATERPROOFING AND THEN PLASTER ACCORDINGLY TO, TO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BRING IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STATE IT WAS ONCE WAS.
UM, SO WE, WE, WE KIND OF FIGHTING ON THE, THE REVERSIBLE ELEMENT OF THE, OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING.
UM, WE WOULD, WE ARE TRYING TO ALSO AVOID, YOU KNOW, BEING SO CLOSE TO THE BASEMENT TRYING TO AVOID THE ADDING, UH, THESE ADDITIONAL PIERS SO CLOSE TO AN ADJACENT, UH, BASEMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, UH, WATERPROOFED.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, AVOID ANY KIND OF WATERPROOFING ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD WITH THAT AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.
THE ATTACHMENT, I DO THINK IT IS CRITICAL TO KEEP THE ADDITION, THE PERGOLA WHATEVER GETS ADDED TO A MASONRY STRUCTURE TO REMAIN STRUCTURALLY INDEPENDENT.
WE MAY HAVE AN INCH OF A STUCCO OR A LIME PLASTER OR SOMETHING OVER THE LIMESTONE, BUT THE, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT THE FASTENERS REQUIRED TO ATTACH THE LEDGER BOARD AS WELL AS TO SUPPORT THE PERGO LOTT NEED TO BE, UH, AT LEAST TWO, THREE INCHES LONG, MEANING THEY'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE STONE EVENTUALLY.
AND I, AND WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IS, UM, THE, THE REAL CRITICAL PART IS THE THERMAL CHANGE BETWEEN MATERIALS, BETWEEN THE, THE WOOD, THE METAL AND THE STONE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GET MOVEMENT AND OPENINGS AND IT CREATES, UM, LEAKS, CRACKS, THINGS BEGIN TO REALLY, UM, SHOW, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT SHOWS ON THE, ON THE BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO ESPECIALLY WITH A MASONRY STRUCTURE, I WOULD STILL SUPPORT STAFF REGARDING, UM, AN INDEPENDENT, STRUCTURALLY INDEPENDENT PERGOLA.
ALSO, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS THE ADDITION THAT WE SEE IN THAT BA REAR ELEVATION WITH THE ARRAY OF WINDOWS AND TRANSOM, IS THAT AN ADDITION, A CURRENT, UH, A NEW ADDITION? OR WHAT'S THE DATE OF THAT VOLUME? I, UM, SO I WOULD'VE TO LOOK BACK INTO THE CASE HISTORY TO DETERMINE THAT.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS RECONSTRUCTED.
EDWARD, DO YOU REMEMBER IF THE, UM, LIGHT SCREENED IN PORCH ENCLOSURE AREA?
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IS THAT RECENT OR WAS THAT RECENTLY REDONE? I THINK MAYBE 2016 OR 17.I, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, IT HAS NOT BEEN, IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, UH, PRIOR TO, TO THE, OUR CURRENT OWNER PURCHASING THE PROPERTY, UM, WE DID ASK FOR APPROVAL YEARS AGO, IT'S GOTTA BE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO NOW TO JUST, UH, TO, UH, TO INCREASE THE, UH, TO DECREASE THE WINDOW SIZE AND REPLACE THEM WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS THAT ARE APPROVED BY HISTORIC.
AND THEN, UM, IT'S PRETTY, SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST BEEN RECONSTRUCTED AS, AS YOU SEE IN THE PHOTO, SO.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO, TAKING A LEAD FROM KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, I WOULD ALSO, UH, THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESENT A DETAIL OF THE, UH, UH, PERGOLA POST CONNECTION TO THAT ROOF, UM, ABOVE THAT, UM, ADDITION ALSO.
WELL, WE CAN PRESENT AN IDEA THEN ON HOW WE, ON HOW WE CAN MAKE, I GUESS, THE PERGOLA AN INDEPENDENT STRUCTURE FROM, FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THOUGH IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR ANY KIND OF APPROVAL TO, TO ALLOW US TO, UH, ATTACH THIS, THE PERGOLA TO THE ALREADY BUILT ADDITION BEING THAT IT'S NOT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
IS THAT, IS THAT AN OPTION IN ANY WAY? YEAH, I WOULD THINK SO.
IT'S, UM, JUST A MATTER OF, UM, BEING THOROUGH ABOUT THAT CONNECTION IN THE ROOF.
UM, UH, SO, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN LOOK AT.
IF YOU HAVE A DETAIL ROOF COLUMN AND REINFORCEMENT DETAIL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
HOW THAT'S GOING TO ATTACH TO THE DECK, WHATEVER THE DECK IS, WHATEVER THAT ROOF COVERING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A CURB, ARE YOU GONNA FLASH IT, ET CETERA.
WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
UM, IN ADDITION TO JUST THE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THIS, I'VE GOT A COUPLE DESIGN, UH, QUESTIONS AS WELL.
UM, THE REASON WHY THE PERGOLA AND AS IT GOES TOWARDS THE GATE STEPS DOWN, ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT SCALE BETWEEN, UH, CORRECT.
THE, THE STRUCTURE AND THE SIDEWALK? CORRECT.
YEAH, WE DIDN'T, THERE'S A REASON WHY THE PERGOLA IS DESIGNED THE WAY IT IS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT IS, IS GONNA BE A TALL STRUCTURE.
UM, WE WERE SHOWING UP ALMOST 13 FEET UP.
WE WANTED TO LOWER THE ELEVATION OR KIND OF TO LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, UH, WE WANTED SOMETHING SMALL, A SMALLER SCALE TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE PROPERTY LINE, TOWARDS THE FENCE THERE.
UM, DID YOU INVESTIGATE EXTENDING IT ONE MORE BAY TO THE, UM, TO THE LEFT, UM, RATHER THAN HAVE IT JUMP OUT FROM IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE? SO YOU'D END UP WITH THREE BAYS AT THE LOWER SCALE AND THEN IT WOULD STEP OUT, A STEP UP WHEN IT MEETS THE HOUSE? UM, OH, SO EXTENDING IT ONE MORE? WELL, THERE IS A POP OUT ON THAT ADDITION THAT KIND OF PLAYED A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE.
UM, YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF, THAT WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE, UH, LOCATION FOR THAT STEP DOWN.
MY, MY SECOND DESIGN QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE UPPER PERGOLA.
UM, IN, I'M LOOKING AT, LEMME MAKE SURE I REFERENCE THIS.
IT'S THE REAR ELEVATION, UH, ON SHEET.
UM, I DON'T SEE THE UPPER COLUMNS THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THE DRAWING ON FOUR OF SEVEN.
THE, THE EXISTING COLUMNS ARE, WHAT, WHAT'S THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE SPACING OF THE PROPOSED PERLA? ARE THEY CONCEALED BEHIND TWO OF THOSE COLUMNS? I'M SORRY, ARE YOU REFERRING TO SHEET THREE OR SHEET FIVE? JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT SHEET.
SHEET FIVE, LOOKING AT THE REAR AND THEN TRYING TO CROSS CORRELATE THAT WITHIN THE KING WILLIAMS SIDE, UM, KING WILLIAMS STREET SIDE WHERE WE SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING POSTS, ONE THAT ARE ENGAGED AND, AND OTHERS THAT ARE STEPPED OUT FROM THAT.
ARE THOSE CONCEALED BY THE PERGOLA AS YOU, UH, LOOK AT THAT REAR ELEVATION? UH, YES.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY.
UM, YOU HAVE THE EXISTING COLUMNS HAVE THOSE LITTLE BRACKETS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE TALKING YEAH,
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I'M SORRY, IT MAY BE SHEET THREE THAT I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.SHEET THREE OF SEVEN SHOWS THE REAR ELEVATION.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RY AND REASON BETWEEN THE SPACING OF THE PROPOSED PERGOLAS COLUMNS AND THOSE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S UP AT THAT ROOF LEVEL.
UM, WELL THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO REASONING BEHIND THAT.
SO WE ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE SOME RELATION TO THE COLUMNS THAT ARE BEHIND IT, THAT, THAT IS ONE REASON, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER, THE SECOND REASON WOULD BE IS, UH, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE SUBMITTED FOR A, THERE WAS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A METAL ROOF STRUCTURE, UM, WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT, UH, WHERE WE ARE NOW PROPOSING THE WOOD PERGOLA TO BE, UM, SO WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED CONNECTION POINTS ON THE ROOF TO, TO HOUSE THAT METAL STRUCTURE.
HOWEVER, WE, THE, THE, THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE DECIDED TO, TO KIND OF SCRATCH THAT AND, AND MAYBE PURSUE A WOOD PERGOLA INSTEAD.
UM, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY USING OUR EXISTING FOOTINGS PLUS THE, THOSE EXISTING FOOTINGS HAD RELATIONS TO THE, THE COLUMNS UP ABOVE.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
I, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS KIND OF BECOMING SORT OF A FUSSY ADDITION TO THE, UH, TO WHAT IS OTHERWISE A VERY ELEGANT AND SIMPLE, UH, I SHOULD SAY, NOT SIMPLE, BUT AN ELEGANT AND SOPHISTICATED PRESENTATION.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE PERGO EXTENDING OUT TO THE GATE AND GIVING COVERAGE TO, TO THAT DOOR, BUT I'M NOT SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHY THERE HAS TO BE THIS UPPER PERGOLA THAT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF FIGHTING THE RHYTHM OF THE WINDOWS DOWN BELOW AND THE, THE LARGER PERGOLA.
UM, I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON THERE.
SO, UH, WHILE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, I SHARE THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF IT, I HAVE SOME DESIGN CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THAT UPPER PERGOLA.
WELL, I CAN PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL, THE ADDITIONAL CONNECTION DRAWINGS FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, I, I MEAN, I CAN, I CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION YOU GUYS NEED FOR BOTH STIPULATION ONE AND TWO, PERHAPS WHAT WE CAN DO, AND, AND I THINK THE CHAIRMAN WAS SUGGESTING IT, UH, OFF MIC THERE.
UM, LET'S, I WOULD MOVE TO REFER THIS TO A D R C, IN WHICH CASE YOU CAN BRING, UH, THOSE ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT MAY NOT HAVE MADE IT IN ON TIME FOR US TO SEE, AND WE CAN KIND OF DISCUSS AND MAYBE LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER, UH, DETAIL OF, OF THE, SORT OF THE SPACING OF THE PROPOSED, UH, COLUMNS FOR THE PERGO ABOVE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT IDEA.
ALRIGHT, SO I MOVE TO REFER THIS CASE TO A D R C I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO SEND THIS TO, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 25 H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 3 0 3 34 WEST ELSMERE PLACE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH TO INCLUDE A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND LOW WALLS CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ADDITION AND ATTACHED UNCOVERED DECK, MODIFY THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF TWO WALLS IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SECONDARY STORY.
ADDITION, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
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APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H G R C ITEM ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS THE EXISTING FOOT.UM, FRONT PORCH CONFIGURATION IS NOTED IN FINDING C.
UM, BASICALLY THIS IS A RETURNING H D R C APPLICATION, SO, UM, IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THE STIPULATIONS I CAN, UM, BUT OTHERWISE THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UH, UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UH, THE APPLICANT, TOM KOVICH JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
SHOULD I GO AHEAD AND, UM, KIND OF, UH, MAKE OUR PRESENTATION? YES, PLEASE.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME THIS AFTERNOON TO REVIEW OUR PROJECT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AS HANNAH MENTIONED, WE WERE ORIGINALLY ON THE MARCH 2ND H D R C AGENDA AND POSTPONED TO PROVIDE TIME TO REVIEW THE PROJECT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARCHITECTURAL ASSOCIATION AND WITH D R C.
MUCH OF THE FEEDBACK WE FROM THESE BODIES IS INTEGRATED INTO THE CURRENT PLAN SET, UH, WHICH YOU NOW HAVE.
WE APPRECIATE STAFF'S TIME TO REVIEW THE PROPOSAL AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THERE ARE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW WITH H D R C TODAY.
UH, THE, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS RECOMMENDATION ONE, THE FRONT PORCH.
THE SECOND ONE IS RECOMMENDATION FOUR, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION.
SO I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE, THE FRONT PORCH.
THE OWNERS ARE HOPING TO FIND A PORCH SOLUTION, WHICH WILL ENABLE THEM TO SIT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME AND ENJOY THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR GOAL IS TO ATTAIN A DESIGN WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE OF THE EXISTING HOME AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE CURRENT DESIGN, UH, IS AN UNCOVERED PORCH AND MINIMIZES IMPACT TO THE FRONT FACADE.
THE DESIGN IS BASED ON A NEIGHBORING HOME AND IS CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WITH THIS, I WOULD DIRECT YOU TO EXHIBIT B OR WE COULD LOOK AT THE DESIGN AND THE PLANS FIRST.
I SEE THE PLANS ARE, UM, ARE ON THE SCREEN AND, UM, SO THE DESIGN IS SHOWN IN THE STREET FACING VIEW ON SHEET A THREE.
SO IF WE GO TO SHEET A THREE, THERE WE GO.
SO ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SIDE IS THE STREET FACING VIEW, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED PORCH.
INITIALLY THE PROPOSED PORCH WAS, UM, PROPOSED TO EXTEND ALL THE WAY TO THE EDGE OF THE HOME.
AND WE FEEDBACK AT D R C, IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK TO PULL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT'S DEEMPHASIZED WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, TO THE HOME.
UM, THIS ALSO HAS SOME, SOME OTHER ADVANTAGES.
UM, AND WE BOTH STAIRS ON BOTH SIDES.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT MINIMIZES REMOVAL OF A, OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING.
UM, SO THIS, UH, THIS DRAWING SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSAL.
IF WE COULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT.
SORRY, WHICH EXHIBIT WOULD THAT BE? IT'S EXHIBIT B.
IT WAS SUBMITTED AS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT.
THERE WERE TWO EXHIBITS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
SO WHAT WE HAVE PULLED UP HERE IS THE, THE OLD CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE SAME EXHIBIT NUMBERS IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE.
UM, THIS, UH, WELL, THIS IS, YEAH, STARTING ON THIS PAGE.
THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, TITLED EXHIBIT A AND EXHIBIT B.
IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT BE HERE.
UM, I CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WHAT'S ON THE EXHIBIT.
UM, BUT IT, IT WOULD SURE HELP
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TO SEE THE PHOTOS.DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ACCESS THAT, HANNAH, OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? SURE, TOM.
UM, I'M RUMMAGING THROUGH MY, UH, YOU CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND KEEP GOING.
I'M, I'M SEARCHING THROUGH MY EMAIL HERE AND IF I FIND IT, I'LL PULL IT UP.
UM, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT THE EXHIBIT SHOWS IS, UM, THREE, UH, SIMILAR HOMES TO THE ONE AT 3 34 WITH THE, UH, EYEBROW OVER THE FRONT DOOR.
EACH OF THEM HAS A, A FRONT PORCH.
ONE OF THEM IS JUST TWO HOUSES DOWN.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS QUITE SIMILAR TO WHAT THESE HOMES HAVE.
UH, THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WOULD TOUCH ON IS THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION.
UM, SO, UH, OUR GOAL IS TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES WITH A SHORT ADDITION.
SO WE'RE EXTENDING THE REAR OF THE, UH, PRIMARY HOME, 12 TO 13 FEET WITHOUT ADDING FENESTRATION TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT SIDES.
THE NEW MASTER BEDROOM ALREADY HAS A LARGE SALVAGED WINDOW TO THE REAR, AND THE OWNERS ARE HOPING TO USE THE RIGHT, UH, LIVING ROOM WALL TO HANG ART.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON IF IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE TO, UH, EXTEND THE HOME, UH, WITHOUT FENESTRATION ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT.
AND I, I THINK A GOOD, UM, DRAWING OF THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT AND SHEET A ONE ON THE LEFT, THE MAIN FLOOR PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE MASTER BEDROOM TO THE LEFT AND THE LIVING ROOM TO THE RIGHT, AND THE EXTENSION IS 12 TO 13 FEET.
DEPENDING UPON WHERE YOU ARE, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT FENESTRATION IN THE REAR, SO WE DON'T FEEL IT'S NECESSARY, UH, ON THE MASTER BEDROOM AND ON THE LIVING ROOM WALL, AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING TO HANG OUT, SO WE'RE HOPING NOT TO PUT FENESTRATION THERE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ITEMS WE'RE HOPING TO RECEIVE SOME FEEDBACK ON, UM, THE FRONT PORCH AND, UM, ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION FOR THE PRIMARY HOME EXTENSION.
NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I DID FIND THAT EXHIBIT B THERE, SO I'LL PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
SO, UH, THESE ARE THREE OTHER HOMES, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EACH WITH THE, UH, THE EYEBROW FEATURE OVER THE FRONT DOOR, JUST LIKE, UH, 3 34, THE PROJECT SITE.
AND THEY EACH, UH, HAVE, UH, PORCHES, I'D SAY THE PORCH MOST, UH, CLOSE TO THE ONE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SOME ARE, ARE MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST IS THE ONE AT 3 0 2, WHERE THE PORCH IS PULLED IN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE CORNERS OF THE HOME, UH, TO, UH, EMPHASIZE THE, THE FORM OF THE HOME OVER THE, OVER THE PORCH.
THAT'S IT FOR, FOR MY PRESENTATION.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT THE, UH, COMMISSION HAS TO SAY.
UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, UH, MR. CHAIR? MR. SABINO? THANK YOU.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE WINDOW COMMENTS, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE ADDITION AND ALSO, UM, WHERE THAT ADDITION IS PLACED.
UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, WHY HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DOING SINGLE WINDOWS OR DOUBLED WINDOWS RATHER THAN TRIPLE IT TRIPLED GANG WINDOWS? UM, WHY HAVE YOU CHOSE THE TRIPLET? RIGHT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT, UM, UH, AT THE, UM, DESIGN REVIEW, UH, COMMITTEE.
UM, WE DISCUSSED IT JUST A LITTLE BIT, FEELING THAT WE'LL REALLY GET INTO THAT AS WE GO FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
BUT THE REASON AND, AND SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WERE THERE TO MAKE, UH, TO MAKE MOST OF THE WINDOWS THE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
UM, BUT THERE WERE A COUPLE WINDOWS THERE IN THE CENTER WHERE I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE KIND OF A TRIPLE WINDOWS, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE STAIR IS.
UM, AND BY HAVING THE, THE TRIPLE WINDOWS AS YOU COME DOWN THE STAIR, UH, THE LIGHT WILL BE PERMITTED IN ON THE STAIR, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT VIEW OUT TO THE STAIR.
SO THE, IT'S KIND OF A LOFT SITUATION, SO THERE'S NO FLOOR THAT COMES TO THAT FRONT FACADE.
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AND SO AS YOU COME DOWN THESE, THESE STAIRS AND YOU HIT THE LANDING, UH, YOU'LL HAVE A VIEW OUT THE LOWER OF THAT.BASICALLY THE, THE LOWEST OF THOSE THREE WINDOWS, IF THAT'S REMOVED AS YOU COME DOWN THE STAIR, YOU'RE KIND OF JUST LOOKING AT THE WALL.
MR. KRIVIT, I, I'M SORRY IF I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE ADDITION.
UM, BUT LET ME JUST UMS PROVIDE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE, UM, UH, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE FENESTRATION ON EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS.
MY THOUGHT WOULD BE TO DO TWO SINGLE WINDOWS IN BEDROOM, ONE DIVIDED BY SOME WALL SPACE, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE ADDITION IS WHERE YOU CHANGE YOUR FOUNDATION AND YOUR FRAMING STRUCTURE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MOVEMENT AND, UH, PROBABLY A WINDOW.
UM, YOU, YOU MAY BE, YOU MAY FIND IT'S EASIER TO NOT HAVE A WINDOW THERE, UM, BUT RATHER WALL SPACE AND IT'LL GIVE YOU ADDITIONAL WALL SPACE FOR ARTWORK REGARDING THE MASTER BEDROOM.
UM, THIS IS WHERE TAKING ONE WINDOW, FLIPPING IT OVER TO THE, UH, WEST ELEVATION WILL SATISFY THE INTEREST TO HAVE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ON THAT SIDE AND STILL GIVE YOU A GOOD AMOUNT OF WALL SPACE IN THAT ROOM AS WELL.
UH, BUT LEAVING YOU WITH, YES, A SERIES OF SINGLE WINDOWS AND DOUBLE WINDOWS.
TYPICALLY WITH, UM, THESE OLDER HOUSES, YOU DO HAVE MULTIPLE GANG WINDOWS, AND IT'S OFTEN FOR THE PUBLIC LIVING SPACES, FOR THE LIVING ROOM, FOR THE DINING ROOM, FOR THE WOW FACTOR.
BACK IN THE MORE UTILITARIAN PARTS OF THE ROOM, WE TEND TO HAVE SINGLE AND DOUBLE WINDOWS.
SO IT MAY, YOU MAY FIND IT TO BE EVEN MORE APPROPRIATE, BUT THAT WAY YOU COULD ADD FENESTRATION TO THAT SIDE.
AS FOR THE LIVING, I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING ANOTHER TO THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, THE NORTHWEST, UH, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE LIVING AREA.
AGAIN, NOT TO COMPROMISE TOO MUCH OF YOUR WINDOW OR YOUR WALL AREA FOR ARTWORK.
YES, I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENT.
UM, AND IF, IF I COULD DIRECT YOU TO SHEET A FIVE, WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THOSE TRIPLE WINDOWS IS WE'RE TRYING TO SALVAGE THEM JUST AS THEY'RE INSTALLED TODAY.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEAR, THE REAR YARD FACING VIEW, YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE INSTALLED IS THREES TODAY.
AND, UM, SO WHAT OUR PROPOSAL, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS SALVAGE THOSE WINDOWS AND REUSE THEM IN THAT SAME CONFIGURATION.
I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, ESPECIALLY ON THAT ON THE NORTH FACE.
I CAN SEE HOW KEEPING THAT REINSTATING, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
UM, UM, BUT, UM, ANYWAY, UM, YES, UH, AS IT'S CONCEPTUAL, I'M SURE WE'LL, UM, HAVE MORE TIME TO VISIT ABOUT THIS, BUT THANK YOU.
I, I WOULD SAY IF, IF THE COMMISSION INSISTS ON FENESTRATION ON THE SIDE, THEN WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE IS SHOWN IN THE RIGHT NEIGHBOR FACING VIEW, THE LOWER LEFT HAND VIEW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHICH IS A, IT'S A HIGHER WINDOW.
UH, THIS IS CURRENTLY IN THE DINING ROOM, BUT SOMETHING SIMILAR COULD BE DONE IN THE BEDROOM.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR NOT.
I WOULD, I DO HAVE A THOUGHT THAT, UM, BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL AND FINAL, THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER D R C SOMEWHERE IN THERE,
UH, I WAS ON THE D R C, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT, AND WE DID DISCUSS THE, UM, THE FRONT PORCH.
AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT, UH, MODIFYING THE DESIGN, BRINGING IT IN FROM THE CORNERS OF THE, THE, UM, HISTORIC HOUSE SO THAT IT READS PROMINENTLY AND IT ALSO PULLED IT AWAY, PULLED THE PORCH AWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAY AND, UH, THE SIDE YARD AND ALLOWED STEPS FROM EITHER SIDE TO GO DOWN.
UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, STUDYING THAT AS WELL.
YES, I, IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? YEAH, I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THERE IS MAYBE, UM, A WILLINGNESS TO EXPLORE SOME MORE FENESTRATION.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S MY BIGGEST STICKING POINT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK, UM, IN LOOKING AT STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND HEARING, UM,
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THE FRONT PORCH IS, IS LOOKING GOOD.AND THERE'S PLENTY OF, UM, PLENTY OF PRECEDENCE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S REALLY ESSENTIAL.
AND IT IS NOT JUST SIMPLY, OH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE WINDOWS IN THOSE ADDITIONS.
WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ART AND IN WALL SPACE, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN IMPORTANCE OF LIGHT TO BE ABLE TO APPRECIATE THAT, THAT ART.
AND, UM, NOTHING IS NICER THAN HAVING SORT OF LIGHT COMING IN ON AT LEAST TWO SIDES OF A ROOM TO HELP BALANCE THAT LIGHT.
AND PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S COMING IN FROM THE NORTH SIDE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO CRAZY, BUT JUST ADDING SOME FENESTRATION TO THESE LAR LARGE, UH, EXTENTS OF SIDING WOULD REALLY HELP TO MAINTAIN THE SCALE, THE CHARACTER, THE INTIMACY OF THIS KIND OF COTTAGE LIKE STRUCTURE AND ITS RE RELATIONSHIP TO ITS YARD AND THE GARDEN SPACES AROUND IT.
SO IT'S, I I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, TRIVIALIZED.
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, THAT THIS KIND OF CHARACTER BE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THE ADDITIONS.
IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I, UH, MR. KVI, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A D R C TO REVIEW SOME OF THESE LAST ITEMS AND TO, UH, REVIEW THE A D U? WHAT I, WHAT I WAS HOPING TO RECEIVE TODAY WAS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AND THEN, UM, WE ARE OPEN TO PUTTING FENESTRATION ON THE SIDES.
AND, UM, SO THEN DIGGING DEEPER INTO THOSE DETAILS, PRIOR TO FINAL, UM, APPROVAL AT THE D R C MEETING, WE HAD A REAL GOOD DISCUSSION ON MASSEY AND HEIGHT FOR THE A D U.
AND THE, THE MEMBERS THERE FELT THAT WHAT WE HAVE WAS, UM, UH, WAS SUFFICIENT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO STREAMLINE, UH, THE ROOF.
UM, AND SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR TODAY IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AND THEN WE'LL DEFINITELY BE VISITING D R C AGAIN BEFORE FINAL.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, I TO RECOMMEND THE PROPOSAL FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS INTACT AND FOR CONSIDERATION AND TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH A D R C A SECOND, JUST A CLARIFICATIONS ITEM, UH, STIPULA STIPULATION NUMBER ONE THERE, IT TALKS ABOUT EXISTING, OH, UH, FRONT PORCH CONFIGURATION.
UM, IF WE'RE ACCEPTING OF ANY KINDA MODIFICATION THERE, I THINK THAT ONE HAS TO BE DROPPED OFF, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT, THAT WE SUPPORT THIS, OR WE RECOMMEND THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION 2, 3, 4, 5, STIPULATION SIX AND SEVEN INTACT FOR A FUTURE D R C A SECOND.
STILL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 26 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 180 3.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE REAR CHIMNEY.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING B.
THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF THE CHIMNEY SHOULD BE, UM, SHOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY FOUNDATION REPAIR.
UM, DID WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. STEER OR, UM, I HAVE A TOM
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SEIN AND THEN IVAN GONZALEZ.OH, SORRY, TOM OR IVAN? I'VE MADE YOU BOTH PANELISTS.
DO EITHER OF YOU REPRESENT THIS PROPERTY? 1 38 KING? NO, I, THIS IS TOM SEA TO KNOW.
I'M JUST LISTENING FOR KNOWLEDGE.
UH, THIS SHOULD ACTUALLY BE NICHOLAS, UH, LANS.
UM, HE ACTUALLY EMAILED ME AT 3:00 PM TODAY, UM, LISTING ITEMS THAT HE'D LIKE TO REVIEW FOR CONS, UH, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO READ THOSE ITEMS OR, UM, IF YOU'D PREFER, WE CAN, UH, POSTPONE UNTIL THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE SO WE COULD, UH, IF WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE.
JUST TO CLARIFY, HANNAH, IN THE EMAIL, WAS HE REQUESTING THAT THE ITEM MOVE FORWARD TODAY? UH, YES, HE WAS, HE WAS REQUESTING FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AND PROVIDED SOME LISTED, LISTED ITEMS THAT HE WANTED TO REVIEW.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE OR NOT, BUT SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES APPLICANTS REQUEST THAT IT, THAT AN ACTION BE TAKEN WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE PRESENT.
SO WAS HE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL WORK IN ADDIT? UH, BEYOND THE REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY? IT'LL BE FOR THE SAME SCOPE OF WORK.
UM, HE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS AGAINST STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO ARE THESE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT ARE BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE POSTED FOR TODAY'S AGENDA? THEY'RE NOT, UM, THEY'RE JUST CLARIFYING THINGS ABOUT THE VISIBILITY OF THE A CHIMNEY, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, JUST POINTS THAT HE WANTED TO CLARIFY, UM, AND CON UH, TO CONTEST.
WELL, IF HE SAID HE'D LIKE A, A RESOLUTION OR, UM, ACTION FROM THE COMMISSION TODAY.
GO AHEAD AND READ WHAT HE SUBMITTED AND WE'LL TAKE ACTION.
UM, SO ON BEHALF OF, UH, NICHOLAS DELONAS, UM, ITEM ONE, THE HOUSE HAS TWO CHIMNEYS.
THE CHIMNEY THAT IS VISIBLE FROM KING WILLIAMS STREET IS NOT THE CHIMNEY WE WANT TO REMOVE.
ITEM TWO, I BELIEVE THE GUIDELINE REFERENCED BY STAFF THREE B THREE DOES NOT APPLY IN THIS CASE FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
ONE, THE GUIDELINES DO, DID NOT SPECI DID NOT SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT CHIMNEYS IN THE LIST OF BRIEF FEATURES.
TWO, THE CHIMNEY IN QUESTION IS A UTILITARIAN CHIMNEY WITH A SIMPLE DESIGN THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE.
THREE, THE CHIMNEY DOES NOT PROTRUDE ABOVE THE RIDGE OF THE HOUSE.
AND FOUR, THE CHIMNEY IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
UM, FINALLY THERE ARE SEV SEVERAL INSTANCES OF HOUSES IN THE MEET THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
I BELIEVE THAT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE ROOF FEATURES OF THE HOUSE.
AND IT WOULD BE INCONSISTENT TO ALLOW SUCH MODIFICATIONS BUT NOT ALLOW THE MODIFICATION REQUESTED HERE.
UM, THAT SUMMARIZES HIS REQUEST.
SO, DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION.
I THINK, UM, GENERALLY WE HAVE STATED THAT CHIMNEYS, WINDOWS, DOORS, UM, THE EXTERIOR DETAILS ARE, UH, SIGNIFICANT TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
AND, UM, IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE FOUNDATION, UH, THESE CHIMNEYS CAN BE SUPPORTED FROM THE ATTIC LEVEL UP.
UM, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR, I WOULD CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
HANNAH ARE, IS THIS MOTIVATED BY FOUNDATION ISSUES OR BY PLAN, INTERIOR PLAN CONFIGURATIONS THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO ACHIEVE BY ELIMINATING THAT CHIMNEY, UH, THE APPLICANT SPECIFIED, UH, DURING INTAKE THAT THIS WAS FOR FOUNDATION REPAIR.
YEAH, I CONCUR WITH, UM, WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT ABOUT THE CHIMNEYS.
EVEN EVEN SIMPLE FLUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE, WE'VE REALLY ENCOURAGED APPLICANTS TO RETAIN THOSE.
'CAUSE THAT IS KIND OF PART OF THE, SORT OF THE ATION PROFILE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE, THE HISTORY OF HOW THE, THE STRUCTURE IS USED AND USUALLY THOSE REAR ONES WERE TIED TO THE KITCHEN AND I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UM, INDICATOR OF, OF THE FUNCTION AND, AND HISTORIC USE OF, OF THOSE SPACES IN THE HOUSE.
SO I'D HATE TO SEE THAT GO AWAY.
UH, WERE THERE OTHER ITEMS THEN THAT HE HAD? THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE ONLY ITEM.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, SEE IF ANYONE ELSE AGREES WITH THAT.
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AGREE WITH STAFF AND DENIES MOTION DEN, DENY REQUEST.DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? UM, ONLY THAT IF STAFF COULD CONVEY, YOU KNOW, THE OPTION TO THE APPLICANT THAT HEY, IF YOU RETAIN THE CHIMNEY ABOVE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE IT FROM THE ATTIC, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THAT.
SO, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE THEY'D EVEN HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IN THAT CASE.
IF THEY MAINTAIN THE APPEARANCE.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? GIBBS.
AGENDA ITEM 27, EXCUSE US WHILE WE SHUFFLE AROUND.
UH, WE'LL READ THE CASE INTO THE, UM, RECORDING AND THEN WE'LL UM, GET YOUR TAKE ON YOUR APPLICATION.
H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 6 8 7 28 NORTH PINE STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE FRONT WALKWAY WITH CONCRETE PAVERS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CONCRETE WALKWAY WITH A PAVER AND GRAVEL WALKWAY BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CONCRETE WALKWAY BE INSTALLED THAT MATCHES THE PROFILE OF THE ORIGINAL.
AND I HAVE OWNER CARLY OSBORNE ON THE LINE.
SO LAST YEAR WE ACTUALLY REPLACED IT WITHOUT THINKING WE NEEDED APPROVAL BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, WE HAD, UM, ADVICE THAT IT ONLY NEEDED TO BE MORE THAN 10% OF YOUR YARD IF YOU NEEDED APPROVAL.
SO, SORRY, CONSIDERING IT WAS QUARANTINE, WE HAD, WE HAD YOUNG CHILDREN LEARNING HOW TO WALK AT THE TIME AND OUR BACKYARD AT THE TIME, OUR FRONT YARD, THE GRASS WAS AWFUL.
WE COULDN'T LET THE KIDS PLAY IN THE GRASS.
UM, SO CONSIDERING WE WERE QUARANTINING AND NEEDED LIKE A SPACE FOR THEM TO, UM, WALK AROUND OUTSIDE SAFELY, WE DECIDED THAT REPLACING THE WALKWAY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
UM, AGAIN, NOT REALIZING WE NEEDED APPROVAL.
WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC FEATURES OF THIS HOUSE.
WE LOVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS NOW.
SO, UH, SAYING THAT WE, WE DECIDED THAT RIPPING UP THE CONCRETE BECAUSE IT WAS IN SUCH BAD CONDITION AND OUR CHILDREN WERE ACTUALLY HURTING THEMSELVES, TRIPPING OVER PIECES THAT WERE LOOSE AND IT WAS ACTUALLY IN REALLY, REALLY BAD CONDITION.
UM, WE DECIDED TO RIP IT ALL UP BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT THE TREES SURROUNDING IT WERE CAUSING THE, I MEAN, I GUESS THE ROOT SYSTEM WAS LIKE PUSHING THE CONCRETE UP AND MESSING IT UP.
SO WE DECIDED AT THE TIME NOT TO REPLACE IT WITH CONCRETE BECAUSE WE FIGURED THAT WITH THE STONE IT WAS A SEMI-PERMANENT SOLUTION, UM, THAT WE COULD ALWAYS DO CONCRETE LATER DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY OUR FIRST, UH, PREFERRED OPTION WAS CONCRETE, BUT AT THE TIME IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR US AND WE NEEDED SOMETHING QUICKER, UM, FOR OUR KIDS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A FUNCTIONAL LIFESTYLE AT HOME.
UM, HOWEVER, WE WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO REPLACING THIS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE WITH CONCRETE.
BUT NOW SAYING ALL THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY PAINTED THE HOUSE AND I WAS HOPING TO GET APPROVAL ON OR POST-APPROVAL, I GUESS ON THE SH ON THE ROCKS MATCHING THE PORCH COLOR.
'CAUSE IT DOES KIND OF FLOW CONSISTENTLY, UM, WITH THE DESIGN ELEMENTS IN
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CONSIDERATION.UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM COMMISSION.
CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UM, CARLY, THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING YOUR, YOUR CASE AND, AND YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME HERE, AND I CAN TELL THAT YOU, THANK YOU.
TRULY LOVE IT AND YOU'RE WANTING TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY IT.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT, UM, IT, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO, TO RETAIN THIS OR TO APPROVE WHAT HAS BEEN EXECUTED HERE KIND OF BASED UPON EVEN AN EARLIER CASE TODAY AND SOME CASES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE, PREVIOUSLY, YES.
BUT I WONDER IF, IF I COULD APPEAL TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT MAYBE, UM, MAYBE WE PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THIS.
WE SAY IN ONE YEAR'S TIME, UM, THESE, THESE PAVERS BE REMOVED AND YOU COULD USE THEM ELSEWHERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING, THIS RIGHT? YOUR HOUSE HAS SO MUCH DIGNITY TO IT, IT OUGHT TO HAVE A PROPER WALK GOING UP TO IT.
AND, UM, BUT YOU CAN USE THESE AS STEPPING STONES ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY JUST GO AWAY, GO INTO THE DUMPSTER AND IT'S MONEY LOST.
BUT I, I WONDER IF IF STAFF, IF THAT, IF THAT, IF THERE'S A PRACTICAL IMPLICATION TO THAT, UH, THAT IF THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE TO ALLOW A YOUNG FAMILY TO, TO, TO SAVE SOME MONEY AND DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY.
AND IF, IF POSSIBLE CAN, CAN WE DO TWO YEARS ON THAT TIME LIMIT? IT BECOMES KIND OF HARD TO ENFORCE AT SOME POINT.
INSTITUTIONAL MEMORIES GET A LITTLE FUZZY.
SO ONE YEAR I THINK IS PROBABLY ON THE OUTER LIMITS OF THINGS.
OUR INTENTION IS TO REPLACE THIS WITH CONCRETE AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE TO AFFORD IT.
'CAUSE THAT IS, THAT'S PREFERRED FOR US PERSONALLY JUST TO HAVE CONCRETE ANYWAYS.
ALL THE OTHER HOUSES HAVE THE CONCRETE AS WELL.
UM, BUT I, SO IN THE PROCESS OF CHOOSING THE COLORS FOR OUR HOUSE, UM, AND I WOULD NOT CHANGE IT IF WE UPDATED THE SIDEWALK, UH, IN THE FUTURE, WHICH I'M OKAY WITH.
BUT, UM, I WAS TRYING TO HELP THE SITUATION A LITTLE BIT BY, UM, PAINTING THE PORCH THE SAME COLOR AS THE STONE SO THAT IT WAS MORE CONSISTENT AND IT LOOKED, UM, MORE FLUID, I GUESS MORE ORIGINAL, UM, IN HOPES THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, I GUESS THE ROCKS ARE NOT CONSIDERED HISTORIC, THEY, IT WOULD KIND OF TIE IN AS HISTORIC.
SO LET'S GO WITH WHAT IS POSTED FOR TODAY'S CONSIDERATION.
AND PERHAPS YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON PAINTING CHANGES, UM, UH, THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, APPROVAL.
UM, I MEAN THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
WE EXTEND A YEAR'S LENIENCY HERE.
UM, AND, UH, THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH KIND OF WHAT WOULD BE A MORE PROPER, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, APPROACH WALK FOR YOUR HOUSE.
YEAH, I I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT.
UH, YES TO GIVE SOME TIME THERE, BUT ACTUALLY HAVE A LIMIT ON IT.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S GETS HARD TO ENFORCE IF IT GETS TOO FAR EXTENDED OUT, RIGHT? AND I WOULD MAKE THE EX A DISTINCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT WE REVIEWED THAT WAS, THAT WAS A VERY PERMANENT INSTALLATION HERE.
WITH IT BEING PAVERS, IT'S, IT'S LESS IMPACTFUL.
AND, UM, SO I THINK WE COULD KIND OF TOLERATE IT A LITTLE BIT LONGER PERIOD OF, OF, UH, NON-COMPLIANCE FOR A WHILE.
THAT WAS OUR INTENTION, SO THANK YOU.
I, UM, I MOVE FOR, UM, UH, DENIAL OF THE, UM, THE WALK AS IS INSTALLED, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE NON COMPLYING, UH, PAVERS BE PERMITTED TO, UH, REMAIN IN PLACE FOR UP TO A YEAR TO BE REPLACED WITH CONCRETE.
MAY I AMEND, OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, PLEASE.
UM, A POURED, A POURED CONCRETE WALKWAY, UM, VOID OF STAIN AND PATTERN.
YES, I TOTALLY CONCUR WITH THAT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
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AYE.THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. OSBORNE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 28 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 65 1 0 2 HYMAN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A TEMPORARY REAL ESTATE SIGN, FIVE FEET BY 20 FEET AND ATTACHED TO THE BRICK EXTERIOR WITH BOLTS AT 1 0 2 HYMAN LOCATED WITHIN THE ST.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE WALL-MOUNTED REAL ESTATE SIGNAGE NOT EXCEED 32 SQUARE FEET.
OVERALL THAT THE SIGNAGE FEATURE A DARK BACKGROUND WITH WHITE LETTERS AND THAT THE REAL ESTATE SIGNAGE BE REMOVED ONCE THE VACANCY IS FILLED.
AND I HAVE APPLICANT BRANDON EWING ON THE LINE.
ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU GUYS AND EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW THIS, UH, THIS REQUEST.
UH, MY CLIENT HAS ASKED, UM, OF COURSE WHAT YOU SEE THERE AND, UH, THE HARDSHIP BEING THAT IT IS, WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH TRAFFIC, UH, UP ON THE HIGHWAY.
UM, AND IT'S ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 200 FEET, 300 FEET TO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC YOU'RE GOING, UM, 250 TO 300 FEET AWAY, UM, AT THREE, TWO SQUARE FEET, UH, YOU'D SEE THOSE WINDOWS THERE ARE ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN 32 SQUARE FEET.
AND TO, YOU KNOW, TRY AND TRY AND CRAM THAT COPY IN THERE SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, LEGIBLE AND, AND AT THOSE SPEEDS AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PREDICAMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, IS, IS IS THE HINDRANCE THERE? YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE HARDSHIP TO THIS PROCESS.
UM, GOING TO, UH, THERE IS ALSO THE LINE ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT IS, UH, REQUESTING IT, IT BE REVERSED, UH, WHITE LETTERS ON A BLACK BACKGROUND.
WE WOULD LIKE TO AVOID THAT IF WE CAN.
UH, JUST BECAUSE IT, IT AT A, AS A, AS A WHITE BANNER, IT CATCHES YOUR ATTENTION A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, I REALIZE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE INTENTION OF THE, UH,
UM, BUT IT DOES CATCH YOUR ATTENTION, UH, A LITTLE BETTER AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER TO READ AS YOU'RE TRAVELING AT AT SPEEDS.
UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? UH, AND THE, AND THE WHOLE, WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND THAT WOULD BE TO COME TO NUMBER THREE.
UM, REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS TO GET THIS THING OFF THE BUILDING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UH, ONCE THE, UH, THE VACANCIES HAVE BEEN FILLED.
AND THAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS OUR, OUR PRIME DIRECTIVE THERE IS, IS IF WE CAN GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY AND, AND IN, IN A GREAT AMOUNT OF SPEED, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.
UH, HELP THIS, HELP MY CLIENT BRING COMMERCE TO THE AREA AND SO ON AND SO FORTH IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? NO.
ONE IS ANCHORAGE, YOU'RE SAYING ANCHORED INTO THE MASONRY AND I HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
TYPICALLY IF SOMETHING IS ANCHORED INTO A MASONRY WALL, IT IS ANCHORED INTO THE MORTAR JOINTS SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DRILLING HOLES IN THE BRICK ITSELF SO THAT THE MORTAR COULD BE REPAIRED, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, LEAVING HOLES AND, AND A BROKEN BRICK.
UM, SO THAT'D BE MY ONE CONCERN THERE.
UH, AND TO, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE STAFF ABOUT THE SIZE.
UM, I KNOW ADVERTISING IS KEY TO LOTS OF BUSINESSES, BUT TO GET THE SIZE OF THIS SIGN DOWN, WOULD IT BE, UM, AGREEABLE TO BASICALLY TAKE EXECUTIVE REAL ESTATE GROUP OFF THE SIGN AND HAVE FOUR LEASE AND THEN, UH, THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBER SO IT WOULD GET SHORTER, UH, AND A LITTLE, UM, SHORTER IN THE HEIGHT THAN THE WIDTH? IS THAT A, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULDN'T BE A POSSIBILITY.
I WOULD JUST HAVE TO PRESENT IT TO MY CLIENTS AS THAT.
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REQUIRE HAVING THEIR COMPANY NAME ON THERE.UM, I CAN ABSOLUTELY PRESENT THAT AND IF WE HAVE A SECOND WE CAN GO BACK TO THE MASONRY ANCHORS.
UH, WE WOULD DEFINITELY SHOOT FOR HITTING AND MORTAR JOINTS IF WE WERE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE.
I CAN ALSO, UM, CHECK AND SEE IF THERE IS A SORT OF A, UH, A ROOFTOP WEIGHTED, YOU KNOW, A STRAP OVER THE ROOF, UM, AND HAVE, HAVE THE BANNER WEIGHTED AT THE BOTTOM SO THAT IT, IT, UH, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO PENETRATE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, NO, NO ANCHORING POINTS AT ALL.
UM, YEAH, THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS NOT, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE, YEAH, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE PREFERABLE THEN, UH, PUTTING ANCHORS INTO THE, THE MASONRY WALL.
WE'LL DEFINITELY BRING THAT UP.
UM, ELSE, UM, AND, AND THEN THE, THE REVERSE IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GET, GET BY WITH, UH, KEEPING THE LETTERS BLACK IN THE BACKGROUND WHITE? I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS YEAH.
I MEAN, WOULD A BIGGER CANVAS BE ALLOWABLE AS FAR AS STAFF GOES? I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THEY CAN DO? MAYBE IT'S NOT, NOT PERMANENT.
UH, I KNOW YOU SAID 32 SQUARE FEET, BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO GET TO NUMBER THREE, WE GOTTA, UH, GO EASY ON ONE AND TWO TO ALLOW THAT, UH, THING TO BE SEEN.
AND THEN SECOND, CAN WE PUT A TIMELINE SO THAT IT'S IF WE DO GO SOMETHING BIGGER OR IF HE DOES PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T GET OUT THERE AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT LEASED, WE KIND OF GET A CHECK ON IT MAYBE SIX, 12 MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S JUST DOESN'T GO UP THERE AND THEN JUST STAYS UP THERE.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE IS THE U D C ONLY ALLOWS STAFF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME IN WHICH WE CAN APPROVE A TEMPORARY SIGN.
SO IF THEY'RE WANTING ANYTHING LONGER, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THE COMMISSION.
AND THE COMMISSION CAN CERTAINLY PLACE SOME TIMELINES HALF A YEAR TO A YEAR.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER INSTANCES.
YEAH, ME PERSONALLY, I'M A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE GOING WITH A BIGGER SIGNAGE AS LONG AS IT'S NOT PERMANENT, LIKE YOU SAID, NOT DRILLED INTO THE, INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, BRICKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
MAYBE WAITED ON THE TOP, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE PUT A STIPULATION SO IT JUST DOESN'T BECOME A PERMANENT FOUR LEASE SIGN UP THERE.
YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ALL GREAT THOUGHTS.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE, THE BACKGROUND COLOR, OBVIOUSLY THE DARKER WOULD BE LESS, UM, OBTRUSIVE, BUT I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY IF YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME STUDIES IN THE PAST TO TRY TO GET IT, UM, INTO A SITUATION COULD BE REHABILITATED.
SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE
BY THE WAY, THAT WAS FOR OTHER OWNERS AND DIFFERENT CLIENTS, SO NO, NO, UM, CONFLICT OF INTEREST THERE.
SO, UM, IF, IF, UH, YOU'RE WILLING TO, UM, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF VERBIAGE ON THE SIGN TO WHERE IT'S THE, UH, THE FOUR LEASE AND THE AGENT'S NAME AND NUMBER TO TRY TO PULL DOWN THE SIZE OF THIS, WE CAN RETAIN THE COLORS AS, AS BLACK LETTERS AND, AND, UH, WHITE BACKGROUND AND WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, IF IT IS BOLTED TO THE STRUCTURE, THAT IT BE DONE THROUGH THE MORTAR JOINTS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CHAIRMAN.
AND, UM, ALSO THAT THERE BE, UM, WELL LET ME FIRST ASK STAFF, WHAT IS YOUR TIME LIMIT THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN APPROVE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE BY THE U D C? IS IT SIX MONTHS? JUST HELP ME.
IT'S 90, I THINK 90 DAYS IS WHAT STAFF CAN DO.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THE COMMISSION CAN APPROVE MORE.
UM, YEAH, AND, AND PUTTING A TIME LIMIT ON IT WOULD BE, UH, GREAT AS WELL SAY ONE YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS A BIT OF A PROBLEMATIC, UH, PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY BY THE TRACK RECORD WITH HOW LONG IT'S BEEN EMPTY.
SO, UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE SIGNAGE VERBIAGE BE REDUCED TO BE FOR THE LEASE AND THE LEASE LEASING AGENT AND HIS PHONE NUMBER, THAT THE, UM, AND, AND THAT, THAT, UH, THE FINAL DESIGN SIZE BE REVIEWED WITH STAFF THAT THE SIGN BE PERMITTED TO BE A WHITE BACKGROUND WITH BLACK LETTERS.
AND THAT IF IT IS, UH, ATTACHED WITH ANCHORAGE TO THE BUILDING DIRECTLY THAT THIS BE DONE THROUGH, UH, THE MORTAR JOINTS AND THE DURATION OF THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING IS NOT TO EXCEED 12 MONTHS.
COREY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? I'M SORRY.
DO WE NEED A, A SPECIFIC SIZE SINCE WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE UP TO 32? UM, YEAH, I MEAN IF
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I, I THINK YOU'RE ATTEMPTING THAT BY REDUCING THE, THE LETTERING ON THE SIGN, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THERE WAS A MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS APPROVED AND THEN WE ACTUALLY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY NORMALLY GET INTO THE CONTENT OF THE SIGN.WE WOULD JUST SAY, HERE'S THE SIZE THAT YOU CAN HAVE, AND THEN THEY CAN PUT WHATEVER THEY WANT ON IT TO BE
SO DO, DO YOU DETERMINE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED ON, ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING OR IS THAT JUST AN ARBITRARY 32 SQUARE FEET THAT'S FOR ALL BUILDINGS? NO, THAT IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE OF THIS TYPE IN THE U D C.
UM, NORMALLY FOR A PERMANENT BUSINESS IT'S 50 SQUARE FEET, FEET PER BUSINESS IN A BUILDING OR PER BUILDING, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S MULTI-TENANT OR NOT.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY IN LARGER BUILDINGS, SOMETIMES A LARGER AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE IS APPROVED.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR 50 FOR A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND UM, WE NEED TO GET THAT SIZE DOWN CONSIDERABLY.
SO, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT, UH, DICTATING WHAT THE CONTENT OF THE SIGN IS, SO I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, I, I'VE BEEN MY MOTION TO, UH, TO UH, STRIKE OUT ANY COMMENT ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE, OF THE SIGN AND TO, UH, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED SIGN TO 50 TO BE NO MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
CARPENTER? AYE I DO NOT SAY SABINO.
AND WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED.
ITEM 29 HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT, SO YES, WE MAY ADJOURN.
SORRY FOR THAT MOVE, FOR ADJOURNMENT.