* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD [00:00:01] AFTERNOON. THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS IS CONTINUATION OF THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE. WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING INTO THE 20 23 1 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. TODAY'S APRIL 7TH, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO BE ABOUT 1:03 PM WE'LL START OFF WITH OUR SPANISH INTERPRETERS AVAILABILITY. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT WILL BE A ROLL CALL. WILLIAM BURRIS. KAREN CARPENTER, HERE. LEWIS RACKLES. ROBERT HENLEY. HERE. BRIAN SMITH. JOE LAOS. HERE. MIKE RUST. MARK ROSS HERE, AND JACK UP MOORE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, FOUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE BETWEEN PRIMARY AND ALTERNATES, BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS MEETING. UH, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS CAME IN, AND WE HAVE, UH, NOBODY FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, I KNOW OUR CHAIR IS OUT. SO OUR CO-CHAIR WILL BE JOE LAOS. UH, SO IF ANYBODY COMES IN AND WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THE, THE CO-CHAIR TO INVITE THEM FORWARD IF THEY WOULD LIKE AT YOUR DISCRETION. UH, SO MOVING INTO THE AGENDA ITEMS. SO AS WE KIND OF MENTIONED YESTERDAY, I HAD PUT THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE FOR BOTH YESTERDAY'S MEETING AND TODAY, JUST IN CASE Y'ALL NEED THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE 24TH AND 25TH. UH, WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE MEETING MINUTES FROM YESTERDAY. WE'LL GET THOSE OUT TO Y'ALL. WE'LL, UH, CLEAR THOSE UP WITH THIS MEETING OR NEXT WEEK. SO THIS ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF UNLESS Y'ALL HAVE ANY REASON TO RE RE-LOOK AT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, NO ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WE WANT TO ADD AT THIS TIME TO THE COMMITTEE. UH, SO NO ACTION ITEM ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. ALL RIGHT. UM, ANYBODY FROM THE COMMITTEE WANTING TO LOOK BACK AT THE I B C 2021? ALRIGHT, NO ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. AND YESTERDAY, I BELIEVE WE WRAPPED UP THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE, EXCEPT FOR ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS WITH FIRE MARSHALS. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS? I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY OTHER, CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK WE CAN GO NO ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR AS WELL, WHICH BRINGS US TO ACTION ITEM NUMBER FIVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, I'M SORRY, DECISIONS. OUR DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, UH, WITH PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE FULL BOARD. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CRYSTAL GONZALEZ. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON YOU GUYS. WE ARE READY TO GET STARTED WITH THE I R C. JUST A REMINDER, WE CURRENTLY AND PREVIOUSLY HAVE ADOPTED CHAPTERS TWO THROUGH 10 OF THE I R C. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON WITH THIS GROUP. WE ALSO ADOPT CHAPTERS 12 THROUGH 23, WHICH ARE MECHANICAL CHAPTERS. SO THE MECHANICAL COMMITTEE REVIEWED THAT, UM, SECTION P 29 0 4, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLERS. WE ADOPT CHAPTER 44, WHICH IS REFERENCE STANDARDS AND APPENDICES, J, K, AND Q. SO WE'LL GO OVER, UM, THOSE ITEMS. SO WE COMBINE ALL OF CHAPTER ONE, UM, FROM ALL THE, ALL THE, THE DIFFERENT CODES, AND WE PUT THEM IN OUR CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS. SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION IS, UM, IS AN UPDATE TO SECTION 1 1 4 0.3. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, ADD THIS TO OUR CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS UNDER THE STOP WORK ORDER. SO WE DON'T HAVE IT UPDATED YET, BUT WE WOULD TAKE THE VER VERBIAGE VERBATIM FROM EMERGENCIES. SO THIS WAS A NEW SECTION TO THE 2021 FOR EMERGENCIES, UM, STATING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DOES NOT NEED TO GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE BEFORE STOPPING WORK FOR EMERGENCIES. SO STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ADD THIS LANGUAGE INTO OUR 2021 CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS. UH, CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY. UH, EMERGENCY, DOES IT, SHOULD IT BE EMERGENCY LIFE SAFETY OR IS THAT IMPLIED IN THE DEFINITION OF EMERGENCY? THAT'S A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DEFINITION OF EMERGENCY. UM, IT AL ALREADY, WE ALREADY TALK ABOUT STOP WORK ISSUANCE. IT'S JUST WHENEVER WE STOP WORK, WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT WRITTEN NOTICE TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OR THE OWNER'S AGENT OR THE PERSON PERFORMING THE WORK. SO THIS IS, THIS SECTION IS JUST SAYING IN IN, [00:05:01] IF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DEEMS IT AN EMERGENCY, WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THAT WRITTEN NOTICE. WE STILL DO. IT'S JUST A RED TAG, BUT WE WERE JUST GONNA BRING THIS NEW LANGUAGE OVER. OKAY. WE WILL, UM, ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN. SO THE NEXT ITEM IS OUR CURRENT CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENT. SO THIS IS WHERE WE FILL IN THE TABLE OF THE I R C WITH OUR VERY SPECIFIC CLIMATE AND GEOGRAPHIC DESIGN CRITERIA. SO WE ARE JUST GONNA BRING THIS OVER AS IS. UM, JASMINE'S BRINGING UP CHAPTER 10. THE ONLY THING WE ARE PLANNING TO REVISE IS THE WIND DESIGN SPEED. SO CURRENTLY THE 2018, WE HAVE 115 MILES PER HOUR FOR THE WIND SPEED. UM, THE CHARTS ACTUALLY SHOW IT SHOULD BE 108 MILES PER HOUR. SO YOU'RE REDUCING IT TO 108, CORRECT. NUMBER THREE. ALRIGHT, UH, WE'LL ADOPT THAT ONE AS RECOMMENDED. UM, ITEM THREE. THIS WAS A CHANGE TO R O 3.1. UM, AN EXCEPTION WAS ADDED TO NUMBER ONE AND THE FOLLOWING VERBIAGE WAS ADDED TO THE LAST PARAGRAPH. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS CHANGE AS WRITTEN. GOOD. GOOD. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UH, NUMBER THREE, WE'LL, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION, ADOPT AS WRITTEN. SO NUMBER FOUR IS A NEW SECTION 3 0 2 0.9 0.5, IDENTIFYING THE TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR HIGH DENSITY POLYETHYLENE AND POLYPROPYLENE FOR USED AS INTERIOR FINISHES. SO THE QUESTION I HAVE ON THIS IS, ARE BATHROOM STALL PARTITIONS CONSIDERED AN INTERIOR FINISH OR NOT? IT'S NOT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, IS IT? IT'S A, IT'S A FIXTURE, BUT , IT'S INSTALLED WELL, IT'S A REI IT'S A HOUSE. IT'S A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IF YOU PUT A BATHROOM PARTITION IN THE RESIDENCE, YEAH. BUT IT'S MORE LIKELY TO BE LIKE THAT TUB ENCLOSURE. RIGHT. SO THIS, THIS IS JASMINE WELLING PLAN REVIEW. UM, THE WAY WE WOULD REVIEW THOSE BATHROOM PARTITIONS AS A FIXTURE, UM, AS, AS OPPOSED TO A FINISH. WE LOOK AT FINISHES AS SOMETHING A MATERIAL APPLIED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURAL FRAME, YOU KNOW, YOUR GBOARD. UM, THAT'S WHAT WE REVIEW FOR FINISHES AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTUAL, UM, FIXTURE BEING INSTALLED. EVERYBODY GOOD? GOOD. I JUST REALIZED I DID NOT INTRODUCE STAFF. SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE DOING I R C, UM, JEREMY INTRODUCED HIMSELF, FLORENCE DIAZ, UM, OUR PLAN REVIEW MANAGER, JASON GRAY, PROJECT MANAGER IN OUR PLAN REVIEW DIVISION, FORMERLY CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR ELOY RESENDEZ COMBINATION CHIEF BUILDING INSPECTOR. AND JASMINE JUST INTRODUCED HERSELF TOO. SO MY APOLOGIES YOU GUYS. I WAS READY TO GET GOING. WELL YOU BROUGHT COOKIES SO YOU GET A FREE PASS THIS TIME. . THANKS JEREMY. OKAY, SO NUMBER FOUR, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER FIVE WAS A CHANGE TO HABITABLE ROOMS. SO THIS, UH, VERBIAGE WAS CHANGED TO EXCEPTION NUMBER ONE. TYPICALLY WITH EXCEPTIONS WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS A COST INCREASE, SO GOOD. [00:10:01] GOOD. ALRIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NUMBER SIX, HABITABLE ROOMS. THIS AGAIN, WAS A, UM, A CHANGE TO THAT SAME SECTION. UM, AN EXCEPTION WAS ADDED FOR THAT LOCAL EXHAUST. OKAY, NUMBER EIGHT. THIS WAS A CHANGE, UH, UM, TO, UH, MINIMUM HEIGHT AND 3 0 5 0.1. THE EXCEPTION TWO SEVEN. YOU'RE RIGHT. WE DID, I SKIPPED SEVEN. IT LOOKED SO SIMILAR. I PICKED UP ON THE M 1505. UM, SO NUMBER SEVEN WAS A CHANGE TO THREE. OH, 3.4. SO ALL THEY HAD ADDED IN WAS OTHER THE CHANGES, OTHER APPROVED MEANS OF VENTILATION, CORRECT? YES. OKAY, GOOD WITH ME. YEP. WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NOW. NUMBER EIGHT. EXCEPTION NUMBER FOUR WAS ADDED. WE IDENTIFIED THIS CHANGE WAS INTRODUCED, UM, DUE TO AN INCREASE IN MATERIAL SIZES, BEAM SQUARES. SO THIS IS EXCEPTION TO THE MINIMUM HEIGHT INHABITABLE SPACES. BASICALLY THE MINIMUM HEIGHT BEING SEVEN FEET AND THEY LET YOU GO. IF YOUR BEAMS ARE NOT LESS THAN 36 INCHES ON CENTER, THEN YOU CAN GO SIX EIGHT AT THAT LOCATION. THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY GOOD? MM-HMM. ? YES. ALRIGHT. NUMBER EIGHT. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER NINE. THAT'S A CHANGE TO SCREEN WHEN SCREENS AREN'T REQUIRED. UM, THIS IS FOR SKYLIGHTS. GOOD. ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT ONE? YEP. OKAY. WE ARE MOVING RIGHT ALONG. WE'RE GONNA BEAT MIKE'S RECORD . SO NUMBER 10, THIS IS A CHANGE TO THREE 10.1 STAFF IS ACTUALLY PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT HERE. LEMME JUMP TO THAT SECTION. OKAY. THE, THE CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES AN EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING OPEN DIRECTLY INTO A PUBLIC WAY TO A YARD OR COURT. AND WHAT THEY'VE ADDED IS THAT YARD OR COURT HAS A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 36 INCHES THAT OPENS TO A PUBLIC WAY. SO WHAT WE REALIZE THAT THIS WOULD HAVE A REALLY, UH, THIS WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON TOWN HOMES, RIGHT? SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, IF YOU HAVE THOSE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS SAY ON THE BACK THAT OPEN INTO A BACKYARD, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER, UM, EGRESS MEANS TO A PUBLIC WAY. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO REMOVE THAT LAST SENTENCE THAT READS THAT THOSE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS SHALL OPEN DIRECTLY INTO A PUBLIC WAY OR TO A YARD OR COURT. SO WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN IS WHAT IT'S GONNA BE. WHAT ACTUALLY HAVE WRITTEN IS JUST TO TAKE OUT THAT LAST SENTENCE, WHICH WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE YARD OR COURT HAVING A MINIMUM WITH THE 36 INCHES THAT OPENS TO A PUBLIC WAY. SO THAT ENTIRE LAST SENTENCE, WHICH IS EXCEPTION THREE, THE LAST PART IS SECTION. OKAY. JUST ONE SENTENCE. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY ELIMINATING EXCEPTION THREE. WELL, IN MANY INSTANCES [00:15:01] THAT BACKYARD DOESN'T OPEN INTO A PUBLIC WAY. NO, I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU WERE SAYING THE LAST SENTENCE. WELL, SINCE EXCEPTION THREE, WHICH IS THE MODIFICATION YOU'RE REFERENCING IS ONLY ONE SENTENCE, YOU'RE DELETING EXCEPTION THREE. NO, I'M SORRY, THIS IS TO R THREE 10.1. THE ACTUAL SECTION, NOT THE EXCEPTIONS. OH YEAH. WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE EXCEPTIONS UP HERE. NEVERMIND. OKAY. THREE TEN ONE, CORRECT? YEAH. THREE 10.1. SO YOU'RE TAKING THAT WHOLE SENTENCE OUT? YES. THE ONE THAT STARTS WITH EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING. OKAY. SHALL OPEN DIRECTLY AGAIN. 'CAUSE WE FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE VERY RESTRICTIVE, UM, IN A TOWN HOME SITUATION OR, UH, 'CAUSE USUALLY THOSE, IF THEY HAVE FENCED IN THE BACKYARD, IT DOESN'T HAVE A GATE THAT COMES BECAUSE THEY'RE, THE TOWN HOMES ARE CONNECTED, SO THEY ONLY HAVE EGRESS FROM THE BACK AND FROM AND TO THE FRONT. WELL, BUT MOST OF THEM ALSO HAVE A TOWNHOUSE AS GOES TO AN ALLEY WHERE THE PARKING IS NO, NO. WE, WE LOOKED AT NUMEROUS EXAMPLES, UM, THAT WE'VE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY THAT WOULDN'T MEET THIS REQUIREMENT. I THINK THAT'S OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE STRIKING OUT WHERE IT SAYS EMERGENCY ALL THE WAY TO PUBLIC. WAIT. YES. GOOD. YOU GUYS AGREE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION? WE ALL GOOD? YEP. YEP. I ALSO WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT LOUIS FRAUS CAME IN ONE 20. OKAY. SO NUMBER 10, WE WILL MOVE TO PROPOSE THAT AMENDMENT AS SUGGESTED BY STAFF. NUMBER 11 IS A CHANGE TO OUR THREE 10.4. UH, REALLY THE WINDOW WELLS AND AREA WELLS WERE MERGED INTO THIS SECTION. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS. NO PROBLEM. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? AND THE NEXT ONE, NUMBER 12 IS STEPS ALSO FOR EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS. THEY ARE JUST SPECIFYING THE DIMENSIONS FOR THOSE STEPS. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. I HAVE A, I I MIGHT BE MISREADING THIS CRYSTAL, BUT STEPS HAVE AN INSIDE WIDTH OF NOT LESS THAN 12 INCHES AND A MINIMUM TREAD DEPTH OF FIVE INCHES. AND SO THIS IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH REGULAR STANDARD STAIR DIMENSIONS. SO THIS IS PARTICULAR TO LADDERS AND STEPS ONLY. CORRECT. AND PARTICULAR TO, UM, EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS FROM OR IN THOSE AREA WELLS FOR THE, FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE AREA? WELL, IF IT'S DOWN THREE FEET, FIVE FEET, SIX FEET, WHATEVER, IT'S OKAY. EXACTLY. OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. WITH 12 AS WRITTEN NUMBER. THEY PROBABLY ONLY BUILT FIVE OF THOSE IN SAME. NUMBER 13 WAS A NEW EXCEPTION TO R THREE 10.6 FOR DWELLING ADDITIONS. THIS EXCEPTION ALLOWS THAT EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING TO HAVE, UH, REDUCED DIMENSIONS FOR DWELLING ADDITIONS. THIS IS FOR REPLACEMENT, CORRECT? IT'S IT'S NEW LANGUAGE, ISN'T IT? YES. THIS IS, UM, THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION. THIS IS ADDITIONS TO EXISTING DWELLING UNITS, NOT REPLACEMENTS. I'M NOT SEEING WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT REDUCED DIMENSIONS. AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SO THAT REFERENCES THREE 10.71, UM, WHICH HAS THE REDUCED DIMENSIONS IN IT, WE SHOULD HAVE GROUPED THOSE TOGETHER. SO NUMBER 13, 14, AND 15 ARE ALL SPECIFIC TO THOSE DWELLING ADDITIONS. UM, IN, IN BASEMENTS. I MEAN Y'ALL DON'T APPROVE BUT ONE OR TWO OF THESE A YEAR THAT HAS A BASEMENT BASEMENTS, CORRECT? YEAH, WE DON'T SEE THEM. OKAY. VERY OFTEN. BUT THEY HAD THE LANGUAGE TO REFER TO IN THE FUTURE. YEAH. YOU'VE GONE. SO IF 13, 14, AND 15 ARE ADDRESSING THE SAME ISSUE, CAN WE UH, ACCEPT ALL [00:20:01] THREE OF THOSE SIMULTANEOUSLY? YEP. YEP. YES. PERFECT. UM, NUMBER 16, WE ARE PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT HERE. THEY REVISE THE LANGUAGE TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR WHEN STAIRWAYS THAT SERVE DWELLING UNITS IN, IN THE DWELLING UNIT OR TO THE DWELLING UNIT. UH, BUT WE FEEL IT ACTUALLY MADE IT LESS CLEAR. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR WITH AN AMENDMENT AND THE LANGUAGE. IS THERE WE'RE REQUIRED BY THE CODE OR PROVIDE HERE HOLD ON, JUST GO AHEAD. MARK'S STILL LOOKING EVERYBODY OKAY? I'M GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. WE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR STAIRWAYS AND RAMPS WAS THE SAME IN 3 11, 8 0.8. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANNA JUMP TO THAT SECTION, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY, IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING. WHAT WOULD BE EXAMPLE? SO IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF STEPS FROM THE SIDEWALK LEADING UP TO YOUR WALKWAY, TO YOUR FRONT PORCH TO US THAT THOSE STEPS DO NOT SERVE THE BUILDING AND WOULD NOT NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE I R C. OKAY. THAT WAS 16 NUMBER 17. THIS IS A NEW EXCEPTION TO STEROID WALKING SURFACES. THIS IS ADDED LANGUAGE FOR THOSE LANDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, HAVE SURFACE WATER DRAINAGE WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OKAY. NUMBER 19, CONTINUITY. WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS AS WRITTEN. THIS IS A, A CHANGE TO ADDED OPTIONS TO HOW THE HANDRAIL CAN END. IT CAN NOW END TOWARDS A, A WALKING SURFACE CONTINUANCE TO ITSELF. IT IT EXPANDED THE LIST THERE. CORRECT? 18. GOOD. GOOD. YES. SO NUMBER 19, WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION. SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT ADDED THE REQUIREMENT FOR SMOKE ALARM TO BE PROVIDED WHERE THERE'S A CHANGE IN CEILING HEIGHT OF A ROOM THAT OPENS TO A HALLWAY THAT'S WITHIN 24 INCHES OF THAT ROOM. THERE'S A PICTURE IN THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT MAY HELP THAT ONE'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED. THE ONE IN THE BEDROOM IN THE BEDROOM IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED. YES. IS THERE ONE? THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS BEING ADDED NOW? NO, THE ONE TO THE LEFT, THE HIGH CEILING. I MEAN THE, THE PROBLEM COMES IN THAT THERE AND, AND IT'S GONNA BECOME MORE PREVALENT AS YOU GET MORE RENTAL HOMES THAT ARE GOING ON THAT THERE'S A STATE [00:25:01] PRESCRIBED LOCATION FOR SMOKE DETECTORS IN RENTAL UNITS. AND THIS WOULD DIFFER FROM THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT ONE IN THE HALL, ONE IN EACH BEDROOM AND THAT'S IT. AND THE CITY ARE BASICALLY PROHIBITED FROM ADOPTING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE OTHER CODE WHERE THERE'S A STATEWIDE STATUTE. IT DOESN'T APPLY NECESSARILY TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT IT APPLIES TO ALL RENTAL PROPERTY. WHY WOULD YOU NEED THE OTHER ALARM? SO THIS IS A, WHY WOULD YOU WANNA PUT A, WHICH ONE IS THE OTHER? THE ONE IN THE GREAT ROOM. IN THE GREAT ROOM? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE SMOKE'S GONNA GO FIRST. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. THAT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE THERE. IF ANYTHING, GET RID OF THE ONE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE THERE. I KNOW, BUT BUT IF THE GREAT ROOM CEILING WERE FLAT YEAH. IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED. CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. ONLY WHEN IT'S GREATER THAN 24 INCHES. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S, IF THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN I THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. YEAH. SO, BUT IN 90% OF THE CASES, THE HALL TO A HOUSE IS CLOSED OFF IT, THERE, THERE'S A WALL ON EACH SIDE. IT MAY EVEN HAVE A DOOR GOING INTO THE HALL TO CLOSE IT FROM THE GREAT ROOM. I THINK MOST DON'T HAVE A DOOR. THEY HAVE A DOORWAY BUT NOT A DOOR. YEAH, FOR NOW. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY ADD ANOTHER $9 AND 57 CENTS NOT SMOKE DETECTOR? WELL, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE MONEY AS MUCH AS IT IS, IS IT'S CREATING DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN, I MEAN THERE'S BASICALLY IN HOUSES THAT HAVE SMOKE DETECTORS, PERIOD, THERE IS ZERO DEATHS IN SAN ANTONIO. WHERE, WHERE THERE ARE DEATHS IS WHERE THE HOUSE HAS ZERO SMOKE DETECTORS. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS YOU KNOW, IS THIS NECESSARY? AND IF YOU HAVE A ONE, UH, TWO STORY HOUSE THAT HAS A TWO STORY GREAT ROOM, BUT THE BEDROOMS ARE ALL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND YOU HAVE A HALLWAY GOING FROM THAT, SORRY, FROM THE TWO STORY GREAT ROOM TO THAT HALLWAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COLLECT A HELL OF A LOT OF SMOKE BEFORE IT EVER GOES AND ALERTS THE ONE IN THAT HALLWAY. BUT ONLY IF THERE'S A BEDROOM THERE. SO LIKE IN A TWO STORY HOUSE WHERE YOU HAVE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE ONE IN THE HALLWAY ABOVE THE STAIRCASE, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WOULD GO OFF AND ALL THIS. TODAY THEY ALL HAVE TO BE INTERCONNECTED. AND SO YOU'D HAVE ONE IN THE HALL THAT WOULD GO OFF AND IT WOULD TRIGGER ALL THE ALARMS IN THE HOUSE. I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT'S NOT THE MONEY, IT'S JUST OVERKILL. YOU'RE REALLY NOT YOU, YOU'RE TRYING TO PREVENT PEOPLE THAT ARE SLEEPING FROM KNOWING THAT THERE'S A FIRE IN THE HOUSE AND HAVE TIME TO HOP OUT THE WINDOW. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE IN THE WEST WING OR THE EAST WING. IF THERE'S A FIRE IN THE HOUSE, YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY'RE CONNECTED. I, I, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT AND I DIDN'T SEE IT AS A BIG ISSUE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THIS WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS. OKAY. SO IN THE FIRE CODE, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ADDRESS, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE FIRE CODE. CORRECT. IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE BUILDING CODE. UM, IN THE I B C. [00:30:27] OH YEAH. IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR 20 YEARS. OKAY. AND AMENDED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO TO ADD SMOKE DETECTORS IN BEDROOM, EVERY BEDROOM OF A PARENTAL UNIT. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE CHRIS, WELL I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY THAT HARDSHIP THE SAME WAY YOU CHANGED THE LIGHT BULBS IN THE CEILING. I, YEAH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE PRACTICAL OPERATIONAL ISSUES FOR THE HOMEOWNER OF THIS IS. SO WE'LL TABLE THIS WITH AN ACTION ITEM FOR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO LOOK AT THE STATE STATUTE. JUST COME BACK. OKAY. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE, UH, SO WE'LL TABLE NUMBER 19. NUMBER 20 IS A CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP AND WE'LL UPDATE THE LANGUAGE TO MATCH THE 2021. SO THIS CURRENT AMENDMENT IS FOR ALTERATION REPAIRS IN ADDITIONS AND IT CLARIFIES WHEN CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS ARE REQUIRED. JASMINE HAS OUR CURRENT CHAPTER 10 LANGUAGE ON THE SCREEN. THE UNDERLINED PORTIONS IS WHAT WE HAVE ADDED. AGAIN, THIS IS A CURRENT AMENDMENT IN PLACE, CRYSTAL. SO THIS LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON EXCEPTION IN IN THE CITY'S CHAPTER 10 IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT'S IN THE I C C, THIS I R C DOCUMENT. SO THAT ONE, NUMBER THREE, WE'VE UPDATED IT TO REFLECT THE UPDATES TO 2021 IN, SO THE, SO THE BLACK TEXT, THE BLACK UNDERLINED TEXT IS WHAT WE'VE ADDED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU GUYS GOOD. SO AGAIN, THE I F C IS FOR COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS? [00:35:19] NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AN ALTERATION, REPAIR OR ADDITION. SO THESE ARE JUST MAJOR ADDITION OR ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS, REPAIRS WHERE BUILDING PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S A, AN EX IF FUEL FOR AN FUEL FIRED APPLIANCE OR WHERE THOSE SLEEPING ROOMS ARE ADDED. AND THEN, OKAY, SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO, WOULD THE EXCEPTION ALLOW IF THEY NEEDED TO BE ADDED IT TO BE BATTERY OPERATED VERSUS IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING BATTERY OPERATED? THEY'RE NOT PROHIBITED. WE ALL GOOD? YEP. OKAY. NUMBER 20. WE'LL KEEP THAT AMENDMENT. SO 21. THIS IS A CHANGE TO THREE 16.3 WE HAVE HERE DISCUSSED FURTHER. UH, THAT WAS INTERNALLY. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. IS IT THE FIRST ONE? IT'S THREE 16.3. YES. THAT EXCEPTION OR ALL OF THOSE CHANGES THERE. OKAY. SO THEY CHANGED THE, UM, SMOKE INDEX FROM 75 TO 25. OKAY. WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT ONE. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN ON 22. THIS IS A CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THREE 17.1 0.2. SO THIS JUST PROHIBITS THE CRE SOTE TREATED RAILROAD TIES TO BE USED IN A RETAINING WALL THAT EXCEEDS FOUR FEET OR IN A RETAINING WALL THAT HAS, UM, YES, THAT CARRIES THE SURCHARGE. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD WITH KEEPING THAT ONE CORRECT? THE LANGUAGE ON THE SCREEN, THE UNDERLINE BLACK TEXT IS WHAT WE'VE ADDED TO THAT SECTION. SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS EXEMPT UNDER THAT SECTION? IF JUST REAL BRIEFLY, UM, EXEMPT UNDER THAT SECTION IS RETAINING WALLS LESS THAN FOUR FEET OR DON'T, THAT DON'T CARRY A SURCHARGE. THEY DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY, WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE. NUMBER 22. NUMBER 23 IS, UM, A CHANGE TO HABITABLE ATTICS WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THIS IS A NEW SECTION. SO THIS SECTION WOULD RE WOULD CLASSIFY HABITABLE ADDICT AS A STORY ABOVE GRADE PLAIN UNLESS IT MET ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS. [00:40:06] WE ALL GOOD? YEP. YEP. YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, LIKE 45 MINUTES. YEAH. AND YOU GUYS LIKE, YEP, WE'RE GOOD. LOVE IT. WHAT WAS YOUR CONCERN? OH, WE DON'T WANNA GO THAT WELL. COMPLIANCE WITH THE U D C AND UM, A HALF STORY VERSUS A FULL STORY. SO THERE ARE STORY LIMITATIONS PER THE U D C. IT'S RARE THAT WE SEE HABITABLE ADDICTS. SO, AND THAT'S NOT PERMITTED. ARE YOU SEEING THAT MANY? WHAT'S THAT? NO, WE'RE NOT. OKAY. NUMBER 23, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. NUMBER 24 IS JUST AN EXPANSION ON THE HABITABLE ATTICS AS WELL AS 25. AGAIN, IDENTIFYING THOSE EXCEPTIONS TO BEING CLASSIFIED AS A STORY ABOVE GRADE AND THE MEANS OF EGRESS FROM THE HABIT. HABITABLE ATTICS. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THOSE AS WELL? OKAY. ALRIGHT. NUMBER 26 IS A NEW SECTION FOR OR CHANGE TO ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THEY CHANGED THE TITLE, UH, FROM STATIONARY STORAGE BATTERY SYSTEMS TO ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. CRYSTAL, UH, I DO REALIZE IT'S A NEW SECTION, BUT INITIALLY I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST INSTEAD OF STATIONARY STORAGE BATTERY SYSTEMS, IT'S ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE NEW LANGUAGE THAN THE I R C OR HOW MUCH OF THAT IS IN THE OLD I R C IN THE 2018, THEY HAD THE EQUIPMENT LISTING THE INSTALLATION, ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION AND VENTILATION AND PROTECTION FROM IMPACT. OKAY, THANK YOU. LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE, SO THE, THE, THE BULK OF, OF WHAT IS OCCURRING IS THEY'RE CHANGING THE NAME NOMENCLATURE OR BRAND OF IT FROM, UM, THE ORIGINAL STATIONARY STORAGE TO ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. OKAY. SO THAT WAS A MAJOR CHANGE IN NUMBER 27. WE GO INTO MORE DETAILS ABOUT SOME OF THE CHANGES ON SPACING AND THEN 28 IS THE LOCATIONS AND 29 ENERGY RATINGS. SO WE DO EXPAND ON, UM, THOSE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE SECTION. THAT DOES TAKE US UP TO 32 IF YOU GUYS ARE ALL GOOD WITH THOSE CHANGES. ADOPT AS WRITTEN. I DON'T THINK ANY, SO IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THAT THROUGH 32, WE'RE ON 33 FOR STATIONARY. STATIONARY ENGINE GENERATORS. WE'RE ADOPT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. DO YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND NOT IN THE, ON AN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT PROPERTY ON, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO MY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT, ABOUT PROPERTY LINE. IT'S DISTANCE FROM THE HOUSE BY N F P A 37 [00:45:08] HOUR GAS, NATURAL GAS. SO I ASSUME THEY'RE A LITTLE QUIETER, BUT, BUT IT, IT ONLY SHOULD WE ALLOW IT IN THE EASEMENT. YOU CAN'T PUT ANY PERMANENT STRUCTURES IN YEAH, PRETTY MUCH ANY GEN STANDBY GENERATOR'S GONNA BE INSTALLED ON A CONCRETE PAD, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED PERMANENT. SO IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED IN AN EASEMENT ANYWAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH, WE WOULDN'T PERMIT IT. WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PERMITS FOR THEM. WE WOULDN'T ALLOW 'EM ON THE SIDE. FIVE FOOT EASEMENT. NOT IN AN EASEMENT. THAT'S WHY SO MUCH WORK IS BEING DONE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE INSTALLED CLOSER THAN FIVE FEET TO A HOUSE BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE 13 FEET RIGHT. BETWEEN THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE AND THE FENCE. WHEN YOU SAY EASEMENT, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S A FILED RECORDED EASEMENT AT BEAR COUNTY VERSUS SETBACK. YEAH, NO, IT'S A FOLLOW. WE WOULD PERMIT IT IN THE SETBACK. PARDON? WE WOULD PERMIT IT IN THE SETBACK. I I DON'T THINK THE SETBACKS A BIG DEAL, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S MORE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT IT WHERE THE TELEPHONE COMPANY OR THE POWER COMPANY OR THE GAS COMPANY. YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM EVERYONE TO PUT ANYTHING IN THAT EASEMENT. NO, I'M, AND THAT DOES HAPPEN. YES. WE DO REQUIRE WRITTEN, UH, PERMISSION FROM THOSE UTILITY PROVIDERS TO PUT ANYTHING IN AN EASEMENT AND BESIDES THAT MOVE, OKAY, 33 WE WILL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER 34 IS A NEW SECTION FOR STATIONARY FUEL CELL POWER SYSTEMS, UH, TO REQUIRE COMPLIANCE WITH THE I F C. AND BASICALLY ALL YOU'RE DOING IS REFERRING THEM BY REFERENCE TO THE I F C AND SO YES, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. YES SIR. OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR CHAPTER THREE NUMBER. ARE YOU GUYS, UM, PREPARED TO CONTINUE? I KNOW WE ONLY SENT THOSE UP TO 34, BUT WE ARE READY TO KEEP GOING. WE'RE GONNA MAKE, WE'RE GONNA GO. OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE FUN. . SO NUMBER 35 IS A CHANGE TO 4 0 3 0.1 0.6 FOR FOUNDATION ANCHORAGE. UH, SINCE I DIDN'T REVIEW, I RE REVIEWED THE FIRST 34. LEWIS, CAN YOU EX, UH, ANSWER WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO? WHAT THE INTENT OF THAT LANGUAGE? NO, THIS IS LEWIS OLIS. UH, WHAT THEY'RE SPECIFYING IS, UH, PRIOR TO THE CONCRETE FINALLY SETTING AND HARDENING UP WHILE IT'S STILL IN A PLASTIC STATE. UH, NOT MALLEABLE, BUT NOT QUITE HARD. AND, UH, THE ONLY TROUBLE THAT YOU, UH, HAVE WITH THAT IS IT HAS MORE OF A, UH, TENDENCY TO, TO BREAK IF YOU'RE USING EXPANSION ANCHORS. BUT IF YOU'RE USING, UH, OTHER EPOXY SET ANCHORS OR DRILLED SECTIONS, THAT'S NOT A BIG PROBLEM. OR AFTER YOU'VE REVERBERATED IT AND VIBRATED ALL THE CONCRETE ACCORDINGLY, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT AN ANCHOR IN. DEFINITELY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ONE, STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS CHANGE AS WRITTEN TO 4 0 6 0.2. SO THIS REMOVED TWO OPTIONS, UM, IN THIS LIST FOR WATERPROOFING. UM, THERE ARE SIX OPTIONS STILL PERMITTED. IT REMOVED TWO OPTIONS. AND WHAT WAS THE INTENT OF REMOVING THE TWO OPTIONS? YEAH, CRYSTAL, I'M OKAY. BECAUSE THESE PRODUCTS HAVE NOT PROVEN TO POSSESS THE THICKNESS OR STRENGTH TO BE EFFECTIVE AND DURABLE. [00:50:05] IS THAT THE COMMON METHOD DOWN HERE OF MOST COMMON METHOD IS PLASTIC? YEAH. IF WE HAD THAT JACK OR BRIAN, IT WOULD HELP A LOT. WE HAVE LEWIS, ALL OF OUR FOUNDATIONS ARE ENGINEERED SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY, UH, YOU HAVE TO, UH, USE, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, DIFFERENT SYSTEMS IN ORDER TO ENSURE YOUR, UH, YOUR, UH, WATERPROOFING, UH, PROPERLY. NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A, AN APPLICATION AGAINST THE CONCRETE, BUT ALSO PUT A PLASTIC AND THEN PUT A FRENCH FRENCH STRAIN IN THERE. AND TYPICALLY THAT WORKS. OKAY. THAT WAS 36. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. YES MA'AM. YOU GOOD? OKAY. NUMBER 37. THIS WAS, THIS IS A NEW SECTION FOR UNDERFLOOR VAPOR RETARDER AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THOSE WITHOUT GOING BACK AND LOOKING CRYSTAL, WHERE IT SAYS IN CLIMATE ZONES ONE A, TWO A AND THREE A. WE ARE WHAT? A TWO. A WARM, HUMID. WE ALL GOOD? YEP. YEP. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM WE HAVE IS OUR CURRENT COSA AMENDMENT 4 0 8 0.8. WE WILL NEED TO UPDATE THE SECTION NUMBER. AS YOU'LL SEE, WE JUST WENT OVER 4 0 8 0.8. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THIS AMENDMENT THAT REQUIRES AN ENGINEER'S LETTER FOR FOUNDATION REPAIRS. I THINK WE'VE, UH, TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY. UH, MR. HANLEY HAD SOME PEP A I A MEETINGS. YES. MAYBE NOT PASSIONATELY. JASON SAYS. ALL RIGHT, SO WE WON'T TALK ABOUT IT HERE, . OKAY. UH, 38, WE'LL KEEP THAT AMENDMENT AND UPDATE THAT SECTION NUMBER. SO NUMBER 39. THIS IS A CHANGE TO 5 0 6 0.2 0.3. SO NOW WE'RE IN, UH, FLOORS CHAPTER THAT GOVERNS FLOORS. ALRIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT THAT ONE AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 40, THAT'S A, A CHANGE, A NEW EXCEPT. AND ADDITIONAL SUBSECTIONS FOR FOOTINGS IS FREESTANDING. IF IT'S A ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, IT'S NOT FREESTANDING. WOULD THAT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO PUT THESE KIND OF FOOTINGS ON THE SIDE THAT IS NOT AGAINST THE HOUSE? I CAN DEFER TO OUR, UM, CHIEF INSPECTOR IF YOU'RE ATTACHING TO THE HOUSE. THAT'S ONE SIDE OF YOUR FOOTING. AND THE QUESTION IS AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. DO YOU NEED TO DO FOOTINGS? IF IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA PUT THEM AGAINST THE HOUSE? NO, YOU'RE GONNA ATTACH IT. IF IT WERE ATTACHED, THIS IS ELOY. UH, WE WOULD ATTACH, PROBABLY MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT. REPEAT. IF IT'S ATTACHED, IT WOULD PROBABLY MEET THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT'S ATTACHED TO ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THESE FOOTINGS IN VERSUS JUST BEING ABLE TO, UH, SIT IN 10 YARDS IN THE BACK, DIG A HOLE AND PUT A POST INTO THE GROUND TO SUPPORT THE OTHER SITE. IF IT WERE ATTACHED, THAT'D BE CORRECT. RIGHT. CURRENTLY WE, UH, SUBMIT DETAILS AND ENGINEERED STAMP DETAILS FOR ANY [00:55:01] DECK. WE WOULD'VE TO VERIFY THAT. I MEAN, YEAH, IT WOULD JUST VARY. NO, I KNOW, BUT THERE'S DECKS BEING BUILT ALL OVER AND MY GUESS IS 90% OF THEM ARE DONE BY A HOMEOWNER WHO DOESN'T GO NECESSARILY PULL A PERMIT. AND I AM HERE. IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. YOU KNOW, 90% OF 'EM PROBABLY ARE NOT PERMITTED. AND WHEN YOU FIND IT PERMITTED, YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS IS IT NECESSARY WHEN YOU'RE USING ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO SUPPORT A DECK AF LET'S SAY AFTER THE HOUSE IS BUILT, TO HAVE TO COME ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND PUT, YOU KNOW, A VERY EXPENSIVE FOOTING IN BASICALLY THAT'S ALMOST SUPPORT COULD SUPPORT A STRUCTURE VERSUS ALL IT IS IS A DECK, RIGHT? RIGHT. IF IT, I, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. I MEAN, IF Y'ALL DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, I DON'T, BUT I JUST THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD ATTACH IT TO ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THEY WOULD JUST DIG A FOUR BY FOUR IN TO SUPPORT. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. SO WE'LL ADOPT THAT ONE THAT'S WRITTEN. SO THE NEXT SECTION IS MINIMUM DEPTH. UM, THE MINIMUM DEPTH HERE IS 12 INCHES. PREVIOUSLY IT JUST REFERRED YOU BACK TO THE FOUNDATION SECTION. UM, THAT WAS 12 INCHES ANYWAY, SO WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THIS WAS A CHANGE. BIG CHANGE, COST INCREASE. WE GOOD? YEP. OKAY. 41. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER 42. SO WE DID, I WILL WARN YOU GUYS, THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THE TABLES. UM, MORE TABLES, MORE COLUMNS, SOME REDUCED ROWS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE, UH, REALLY INTO THE TABLES AND YOU WANNA TAKE SOME TIME TO DIGEST THAT. WE CAN SKIP TABLES OR WE CAN, UH, PUSH THROUGH. MY COLLEAGUE LEWIS IS REALLY INTO THESE TABLES, SO I'M GONNA DEFER TO HIM. , I'M NOT A BIG PRESCRIPTIVE TYPE PERSON. I LIKE TO RUN MY OWN . WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY WERE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, BUT JUST WANTED TO WARN YOU GUYS. THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE TABLE. SO THE FIRST ONE, SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY SMART LOOKED AT HIM. SO WE DID LOT, LOTS OF SMART PEOPLE IN ONE ROOM. WE'RE DECIPHERING ALL THESE TABLES AND THE CITY'S OKAY WITH THEM. WE ARE GOOD WITH THEM. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY, UM, UP FOR DISCUSSION. WE KIND OF RAN THROUGH THE TABLES PRETTY QUICKLY AS WELL. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THE MINIMUM, MINIMUM FOOTING SIZE FOR DECKS. LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY PAST NUMBER 42 AND EVERYONE'S TURNING THEIR PAGES. WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. OH, MORE TABLES? MM-HMM. GOOD WITH FOUR. WE'RE GOOD WITH 43 TOO. CAN WE JUST ADOPT 42 THROUGH 46 SIMULTANEOUSLY BASED ON THE CHANGES TO THE TABLE? THOSE ARE ALL ARE CHANGES TO THE TABLES FOR DECKS. M 47 IS DECKING. OKAY. 3 47 WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. AND IF YOU GUYS REALLY TAKE THE TIME TO DIGEST IT AND YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU WANNA DISCUSS, WE CAN ALWAYS DO THAT. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ON 48, WHICH WAS A CHANGE TO 5 0 7 0.9 0.2. OKAY. YEAH, THEY JUST MODIFIED ONE OF THE OPTIONS THERE. [01:00:04] GOOD WITH THAT ONE. OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, DECK, DECK LEDGER CONNECTION REVISIONS TO THE TABLE. APPROVE MARK, COME ON. YOU'RE SURPRISING ME OVER HERE. SNOW NOTES. THE NEXT ONE IS A NEW SECTION FOR, UH, TO 5 0 7 POINT 10. SO THIS IS FOR GUARDS. WE PUT THIS UH, AS NOT A POTENTIAL COST INCREASE 'CAUSE WE WOULD ALREADY REQUIRE THESE EXTERIOR GUARDS, UH, TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE ITEMS IN THIS SEC, IN THESE SEC SUBSECTIONS. THE GUARD WOULD BE RAILING. YEAH. YEAH. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? YES. OKAY. CHAPTER SIX. SO THIS WAS A, A CHANGE TO THE LOCATION OF BRACE WALL LINES. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT? MAN, Y'ALL ARE ALREADY READING AHEAD, AREN'T YA? OKAY. SO NUMBER, UH, 51 WILL ADOPT AS WRITTEN NUMBER 52 GARAGE DOOR LABELING. UH, THIS NOW REQUIRES GARAGE DOORS TO HAVE A PERMANENT LABEL WITH MANUFACTURER'S INFORMATION AS WELL AS WIND PRESSURES. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PERMANENT LABEL? AND IT GONNA COME FROM THE MANUFACTURER. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING. A TAG OR, OR A STICKER ON THE DOOR. SO BASICALLY THAT THAT'S ALL AS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE MANUFACTURER'S TAG? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE ONE, WHAT'S NEXT? CHIEF? RESENDEZ. . YEAH, WE MIGHT REQUIRE POSSIBLY A THIRD PARTY, I GUESS AT THAT POINT OR VERIFY IT. UM, YEAH, SO OR WHEN YOU'RE MISSING THE ETCHING IN THE WINDOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF LABELED LOOKS LIKE WE DO, BUT TYPICALLY LABELED REFERS TO A THIRD PARTY. I'M CURIOUS IF IT'S CLARIFIED AT ALL. IF IT HAS TO BE THIRD PARTY OR NOT. NOT NECESSARILY THIRD PARTY, BUT MANUFACTURER YET. SO THERE'S DEFINITION FOR LABEL AND IDENTIFICATION APPLIED ON A PRODUCT BY THE MANUFACTURER THAT CONTAINS THE NAME OF THE MANUFACTURER, THE FUNCTION AND PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PRODUCT, BLAH, BLAH BLAH. CAN I ASK WHY THAT, WHY THIS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT AFTER IT IS INSTALLED? WHAT ABOUT IF INSTALLED GO BACK AND MAKE YOU PUT A LABEL ON ALL THE EXISTING NEW? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS LIKE OVER UNITED STATES GET TOGETHER TO, I I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES YOU MODIFY IT TO YOUR GEOGRAPHICAL REGION. HEY CRYSTAL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LABELING AND THAT 6 0 9 0.41 IS A NEW REQUIREMENT, BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY IT, IT MUST BE FOR NEW DOORS. 'CAUSE HOW DO YOU GO BACK TO ALL THE EXISTING GARAGE DOORS? ABSOLUTELY. ROBERT. THIS WOULD BE FOR BRAND NEW GARAGE DOORS. [01:05:03] EXACTLY. SO WHAT? BUT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING IT AND INSTALLING IT ONCE IT'S INSTALLED AND THE CITY'S APPROVED, WHY WIND LOAD IS STILL IMPORTANT. SO IF I ASK THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER OUT THERE WITH THE WIND LOAD OF THEIR GARAGE DOOR, YOU THINK THEY'D HAVE A CLUE WHAT THAT IS? I'M TRYING TO HAVE NO IDEA. THEY, THEY HAD NO IDEA. BUT IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WE'RE TALKING THIS PROVISION. MARK IS A NEW DOOR, NO INFORMATION CAME IN THE SPEC SHEET VERSUS LABEL. ARE THEY REQUIRING, DOES THE GOVERNMENT REQUIRE THE MANUFACTURER TO PUT THAT LABEL ON? SOMETIMES THAT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET HUNG UP WHERE THE HOME BUILDER IS TRYING TO BUILD HIS HOUSE AND THIS INFORMATION IS NOT ON THE DOOR BECAUSE EACH DOOR, YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY BUILD THE, THE DOOR IN SECTIONS. SO DOES THAT MEAN EVERY SECTION HAS TO HAVE THE ONE? IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE UNIT WHICH PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE LABEL PER THE UNIT. BUT YOU KNOW, IT, THE, UH, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GO SPEEDING AND THE COP PULLS YOU OVER AND HE GOES, WELL I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ONLY 20 MILES AN HOUR HERE. IGNORANCE OF THE LAW DOESN'T GET YOU. SO IF THEY PUT THIS IN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY THE CITY HAS TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THE RESIDENTS AND SO ON NEW DOORS, THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY MUCH SMARTER THAN ME DECIDED IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PUT IN HERE. THE GARAGE ON. I GOT NO PROBLEM IF THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IN, I MEAN, WE REQUIRE IT FOR THE WINDOWS. YEAH, WE REQUIRE IT FOR THE WINDOWS MARK. IF THEY, IF THEY, UH, UH, IF THEIR SALE OF THE DOOR IS GONNA BE DEPENDENT ON A LABEL OR NOT, THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE LABEL ON IT. YEAH. ARE YOU SEEING ANY RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW, YEAH. CURRENTLY WE DON'T, WE DON'T VERIFY THAT. THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AT THIS TIME. HOW DO I FEEL ABOUT THIS? I'M FOR, FOR, SO IT'S FORWARD AND UH, COMMITTEE, UH, STAFF IS STILL LETTING ME KNOW. WE'RE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF HARD TROUBLE ON THE AUDIO. SO JUST A REMINDER TO CONTINUE VOTE, USE OUR MICROPHONES AS QUICKLY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? CLOSE? OKAY, THAT WAS 52. WE'LL ADOPT EZRA WRITTEN. SO NUMBER 53 IS FLASHING INSTALLATION. THIS IS A NEW SECTION, UM, CREATED FROM PREVIOUS SECTIONS IN CLARIFYING THE FLASHING AT EXTERIOR WINDOWS. UH, STAFF DID NOT FIND THIS AS A, UM, A MAJOR CHANGE AND SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING IN THE FIELD. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH THAT ONE? YEP. OKAY. NUMBER 54 THROUGH 59 ARE ALL CHANGES TO SOFFIT PANELS, NEW SECTIONS, UM, AND NEW TABLE, UH, CRYSTAL, UH, CITY AND THE STAFF HAVE ANY, TAKE ANY EXCEPTIONS TO ALL THIS NEW LANGUAGE RELATED TO SOFFITS? NO, WE DID NOT. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE FOUR THROUGH 59, 9. YOU GUYS GOOD WITH ALL THOSE? HOLD ON. WHAT ABOUT VINCE IN THE, UH, SOFFIT PANEL? UH, I'M QUESTIONING [01:10:01] ABOUT THE LACK OF, UH, ANY VENTS ON THE SOFFIT PANEL FOR AIRFLOW THROUGH THE ATTIC THERE. YEAH, BUT IF IF IT'S NOT IN HERE THEN MAKE, IF WE'RE ADOPTING THE MECHANICAL SECTION, WILL THAT COME UP IN THE MECHANICAL SECTION LATER ON? STAFF THINKS THAT THAT IS IN EIGHT OR NINE. PARDON? THE, UH, SOFFIT VENTING OR FOR THE ATTIC. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT FOR YOU LEWIS, AS WE'RE, UH, GOING THROUGH. I'M GOOD WITH IT. OH, THAT'S YOU. HMM. OKAY. WE CAMERA 53? YES, BUT WE'LL STILL WORK ON FINDING, UM, WHERE THE VENTING IS. OKAY. NUMBER 60, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THIS AS WRITTEN VERBIAGE WAS ADDED, PROVIDING INFORMATION ON THE INSTALLATION OF RIDGE STRAPS. CRYSTAL. SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS LANGUAGE ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS TO USE ANOTHER METHOD OF FASTENING AND GOING FROM RIDGE STRAPS TO COLLAR TIES. THAT'S CORRECT. IS ANOTHER METHOD. OKAY. SO 60 WE WILL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. 61 AND 62 ARE CHANGES TO THE TABLE. UH, ONE WAS CHANGES TO THE TABLE, UM, AND THEN THE SECOND 1 62 WAS A NEW TABLE BASED ON THE ADJUSTMENT FACTORS. JUST KIND OF PULLED OUT THAT ADJUSTMENT FACTOR AND PUT IN ITS OWN TABLE. GOOD WITH THOSE. OKAY, WE'LL ADOPT AS WRITTEN. THE NEXT ONE, NUMBER 63, WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THAT CHANGE AS WRITTEN. [01:15:12] OKAY. WE'LL ADOPT 63 AS WRITTEN. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE SOFFIT VENTING, THAT FALLS UNDER ROOF VENTILATION IN 8 0 6 AND THERE WERE NO CHANGES, OTHER CHANGES TO CHAPTER EIGHT. SO WE'RE, ARE WE ON THE LAST PAGE? YEP. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 64. THIS WAS A CHANGE. UM, THIS IS THOSE THE BUILDING INTEGRATED PHOTOVOLTAIC PRODUCT. IF CRYSTAL, IF THEY'RE GONNA, AND HERE'S THE, MY CONCERN ON THIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE IS I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND IT HAS TO BE INTEGRATED INTO A ROOF ASSEMBLY. BUT WHEN THEY SAY SHALL BE TESTED, LISTED AND LABELED, MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA PROVIDE THOSE PANELS ALREADY HAVE THOSE LABELS AND LISTINGS ON IT. BUT, UH, I DON'T WONDER WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE TESTED. WELL, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO TEST TO GET THE CLASSIFICATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT IF THE MANUFACTURER OF THE PHOTO PRODUCTS PROVIDE YOU THAT LABEL ALREADY, UH, WOULD YOU HAVE TO GET IT RETESTED WITH THAT ROOF SYSTEM? NO. THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE OUR INTERPRETATION THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER ANY, UM, THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE UL TO BE TESTED, LISTED AND LABELED. THANK YOU. WE ALL GOOD? YEP. ALRIGHT, WE'LL ADOPT THAT AS WRITTEN. SO THAT THOSE WERE ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT STAFF FOUND, UM, THROUGH CHAPTER 10 THAT WE CURRENTLY ADOPT. UH, WE ALSO ADOPT APPENDICES, J, K, AND Q. SO THE 2021 HAS ADDED TO THOSE APPENDICES. NOW THEY'RE AJ, AK AND AQ. SO JUST SO YOU, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WHY THAT NOMENCLATURE HAS CHANGED. SO, UM, WE SEE A COUPLE OF SECTIONS HERE IN APPENDICES Q, APPENDIX Q THAT ARE CHANGED FOR TINY HOMES. SO THOSE LAST 4 65 THROUGH 68 ARE, UH, MINOR CHANGES TO APPENDIX A Q FOR TINY HOMES. I'M ASSUMING CRYSTAL THAT IN, UH, A NUMBER 65 LANDINGS FOR LAW OF ACCESS AND EGRESS ONLY HAS TO BE 24 INSTEAD OF 36. DEPTH OR WIDTH, I'M ASSUMING IT'S WIDTH. THAT'S THE DEPTH IN THE DIRECTION OF TRAVEL. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THIS IS LANDINGS FOR LOFT ACCESS AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN THOSE CHANGES TO TINY HOUSES. CHRIS, JUST AN INFORMATION QUESTION ON THE TINY HOMES THAT ARE PRE-MANUFACTURED SOMEPLACE ELSE AND BROUGHT IN. THEY, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO THEM. NO. 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE, UH, SECTIONS FOR RELOCATED BUILDINGS. SO WE WOULD REALLY JUST BE LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIONS, THE UTILITY CONNECTIONS TO THAT BUILDING. [01:20:07] YOU GUYS GOOD WITH ALL THOSE? ALL OF THEM, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS IT FOR EVERYTHING THAT STAFF FELT WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OR ITEMS WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TABLED NUMBER 19. THAT WAS THE, THE ONE ABOUT THE SMOKE ALARM LOCATION. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR 19 AS WE HAVE CHANGED OR AMENDED IT. SECOND ROBERT LEY, THIS IS JOSEPH HARNEY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. UH, JUST, UH, I'M LOOKING INTO THAT ISSUE AND JUST WHAT I'VE FOUND SO FAR. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING BUT THE, I BELIEVE MR. ROSS, THE, THE STATEMENT YOU MADE, UH, WAS RESPECTIVE TO RENTAL UNITS, WHICH IS COVERED BY THE PROPERTY CODE. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A SECTION IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE. AND IT LOOKS LIKE AT THIS POINT THE PROPERTY CODE DOES DEFER TO THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE IN A COUPLE OF AREAS. UM, AND THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE HAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT, UH, BASICALLY SAYS THE SMOKE DETECTOR, SMOKE DETECTOR INSTALLATION AND ET CETERA, UH, WOULD BE GOVERNED BY LOCAL ORDINANCE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE AT THIS POINT THERE THERE'D BE A CONFLICT, BUT I, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT, AT EVERYTHING. WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. SO IF WE'LL JUST, I LEAVE MY MOTION LIKE IT IS AND THEN WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE WE COME BACK TO IT. SURE. NOW WE GOTTA TAKE A VOTE. OH, WE MISSED THAT PART. CALL THE VOTE. WE ALL GOOD WITH THE MOTION? YES. AYE. ALRIGHT. AYE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. FIVE MINUTES. WHERE ARE WE? UH, JOE, IF YOU'LL UH, I GUESS JUST MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE'RE BACK ON. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. THIS IS JOE LAYS . ALRIGHT, PERFECT. THANK YOU JOE. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES THE I R C FOR TODAY. UH, I BELIEVE WE ARE TABLING ONE, UH, NUMBER 19 IN REGARDS TO SMOKE DETECTORS. WE'LL BRING THAT UP. UH, THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED A QUICK BREAK ON. SO AS I WAS KIND OF MENTIONED BEFORE, WE TOOK A BREAK. WE ARE MOVING PRETTY FAR AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING. UH, BUT WE JUST NEEDED TO ADJUST A LITTLE BIT ON OUR END. SO THIS COMMITTEE, UH, ONCE AGAIN IS DOING THE I B C, THE I R C, THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE. SO THOSE ARE MOSTLY WRAPPED UP. LAST ONE WE HAVE LEFT IS THE I F C. I WAS ACTUALLY MEETING WITH THEM A SECOND AGO. UH, THEY, THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS. THEY, THEY'VE HAD SOME TURNOVER, UH, WITH THEIR CHIEFS AND THEIR, UM, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, BUT NOT IN A BAD WAY. THEY'RE ON PERFECT TIME FOR OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE, BUT NOT REALLY SET UP TO, TO BE MEETING EARLIER, UH, TO GO OVER THE I F C. SO I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO BE ABOUT FOUR WEEKS OUT FROM THAT. I'LL SEE IF, IF IN THREE WEEKS THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MEET AND MAYBE MOVE UP IN A WEEK. UH, BUT IF ANYTHING, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST STILL BE MEETING, UH, FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW FOR THE I F C, UH, FOR THREE WEEKS IN A ROW IS KINDA WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED. SO MY THOUGHT RIGHT NOW, UH, 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOMETHING ON THE I I R C SECTION, WHICH IS THE CHAPTER 10 ITEMS IN REGARDS TO REGISTRATION AND LICENSING IS SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING SIDE, UH, THAT WE WANT TO COME AND, AND DISCUSS WITH THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL. UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS LET'S NOT MEET NEXT WEEK, BUT GIVE US TWO WEEKS. 'CAUSE ANOTHER ITEM I WANNA MAKE SURE OF IS THE I R C WAS ALWAYS ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, NOT EVEN TECHNICALLY TODAY, SINCE WE KINDA GOT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS FULLY AWARE AND THEY HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN. IF THERE IS ANYTHING ON THE I R C THEY WANT TO COME AND TALK WITH. SO WE'LL REACH OUT TO SABA, UM, THE REMODEL ORGANIZATIONS HOMEOWNERS. SO WE'LL DO KIND OF A GOOD PR OUT THERE AND, AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT IN TWO WEEKS IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A FINAL REP OF, OF THE I R C. PLEASE BRING ANY ITEMS TO THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AT THAT TIME. SO WE'LL [01:25:01] ADDRESS NUMBER I NUMBER 19, UH, ADDRESS NUMBER, UH, CHAPTER 10 OF THE I OF THE, OF THE CITY MUNI CODES, UH, LOOKING AT REGISTRATION AND LICENSING OF CONTRACTORS. AND THEN THAT REALLY SHOULD WRAP UP. SO IT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY SHORT MEETING UNLESS WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. GO AHEAD. MARK, YOU WOULDN'T BE READY TO GO WITH THAT NEXT WEEK, WOULD YOU? MOSTLY I WANNA GIVE IT TWO WEEKS JUST BECAUSE OF I, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET MORE OUT TO THE PUBLIC SINCE WE DIDN'T, OR SINCE WE'RE NOT REALLY MEETING THOSE THREE WEEKS THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD OUT THERE. THAT'S BEEN KIND OF PUB PUBLISHED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS. 'CAUSE MIKE AND I WILL BOTH BE GONE THAT FOLLOWING WEEK. OKAY. OKAY. WELL I KNOW AND SINCE YOU ARE THE ITEM ON NUMBER 19, WE CAN HANDLE WITHOUT HIM JEREMY? YES SIR. LET ME ASK YOU, SO I HAVE ON MY SCHEDULE, WE'RE CANCELING THE 14TH AND THE 21ST. WELL WE WERE GONNA TRY TO MEET ON THE 21ST, BUT MAYBE THE BACKUP IS IF YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN I'M LEAVING THIS UP TO THE COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE, THIS IS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT IS COMMITTEE'S DECISION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. BUT BASICALLY 14TH NEXT WEEK IS OUT. THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING RIGHT NOW. UH, TO GIVE US MORE TIME WITH THE CHAPTER 10 THINGS AND JUST, AND ALSO GET MORE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF KIND OF THAT THAT'S THE, THE ONE MAIN LAST MEETING TO DISCUSS THE I R C. IT'S NOT THE LAST MEETING BY ANY MEANS. THEY THEN COME IN DURING THE I F C IF THEY WANTED TO AND DISCUSS, ADD ONE MORE WEEK WITHOUT MESSING THE SCHEDULE. I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE MEDIA, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE SCHEDULE AT ALL. 'CAUSE IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULDN'T JUST GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. WELL I CAN STILL PUT THE I F C ON THERE 'CAUSE I MEAN THAT REALLY SHOULD BE ABOUT A 30 OR 40 MINUTE CONVERSATION. IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HURT. 'CAUSE THEN MAYBE THE FIRE CAN COME IN AND START GETTING STARTED A LITTLE BIT EARLY. SO YEAH, NO, THAT WOULD WORK. SO WE, WHAT WOULD BE IS, IS TO UHM TABLE FOR TWO WEEKS. UM, AND THEN GO FROM THERE. AND PROBABLY WHAT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO IS SQUEEZE IN THE SWIMMING POOL CODE IN MIDDLE, MIDDLE OF ALL THAT AS WELL. BUT THE SWIMMING POOL CODE IS NOT JUST FOR THIS COMMITTEE, IT'S FOR THE, IT'S A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE, CORRECT. YEAH. SO I'VE THROWN SOME NUMBERS OUT OR SOME DATES OUT TO THEM YESTERDAY AND I'LL ADD A FEW MORE DATES NOW. , HOW ARE YOUR OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES GOING? HOLD ON. UH, THEY'RE ALL COMPLETED. SO THE ONLY ONES WE HAVE LEFT WILL BE THE ENERGY CODE AND THE SWIMMING POOL CODE. THE 21ST. THE, YOU WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING THE 21ST, CORRECT? YEAH, MIKE AND I ARE GONNA BE OUT THE, THE MEETING ON THE 28TH. OH, OKAY. SO THE 21ST MIGHT WORK BETTER. WELL IT DOES WORK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY, SO THEN SORRY ABOUT THAT. IF THE COMMITTEE'S OKAY WITH THAT, THEN OUR THOUGHTS ARE, LET'S NOT HOLD A MEETING NEXT WEEK, UH, AND MOVE FORWARD WITH JUST, UH, FINISHING UP THE I R C, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS JUST ITEM NUMBER 19. UH, MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC'S FULLY AWARE, GIVE THEM EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND EITHER EMAIL US, PROVIDE US SOME INFORMATION OR, OR COME TO THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN ALSO GO OVER CHAPTER 10 REGISTRATION OF CONTRACTORS, UH, WITH THIS COMMITTEE. AND THAT'LL BE KINDA THE MAIN GOAL FOR THAT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. AND THEN, UH, WE WILL WORK WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE IF THEY DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN TWO WEEKS, KIND OF SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH THAT. IF NOT, THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO START ON MAY 5TH I THINK, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR, YEAH, I THINK IT'S MAY 5TH. WHO'S, UH, WHO'S ON POINT FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE ON THIS ISSUE? THEY DON'T KNOW. UM, SO THERE, THEY'RE MAIN POINT SHOULD STILL BE CHIEF VALERIE FASO. SO SHE, UH, BUT WHO'S GONNA BE HERE AND I MEAN I'M SURE SHE'LL BE HERE, BUT, AND ALSO YOUNG WAY TANG IS HELPING OUT QUITE A BIT, UH, THROUGH D S D STAFF AS WELL AS PLAN VIEW SIDE. THANKS. AND CHIEF MONIER WAS PART OF THAT MEETING, YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW HIS SCHEDULE'S PRETTY TIGHT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE HERE FOR ANY OF THESE, BUT HE IS GONNA TRY TO EXACTLY. YEAH. YEAH. SO DID IT MEAN, BUT MOVE UP THE LADDER THAT'S RIGHT. TIME FOR THIS. SO THAT'S KIND OF, UH, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, UH, SAME SIF STAFF, UH, DIRECTOR'S REPORT INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN BE FOUND, UH, YOU CAN FIND ALL THE RESOURCES. WE'LL BE UPDATING THIS AFTER TODAY'S MEETING. SO WE'LL PUT OUT THERE ON ESSAY SPEAK UP TO THAT. WE'LL BE CANCELING NEXT MEETING. AND THAT, UH, I R C WILL BE THE 2020, THE 21ST, AND THEN THE 28TH WILL MOST LIKELY BE I F C R CANCELED. AND WE'LL MAKE THAT DECISION WHEN WE MEET IN TWO WEEKS. UH, IF THESE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE BEEN BROADCASTED, THEY'RE CHRONICALLY BROADCASTED LIVE. BUT THEN WE'LL UH, UPLOAD THOSE AND SAVE THOSE TO THIS EMAIL OR THIS, UH, UL R SITE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN ANY COMMENTS CAN BE PROVIDED TO STAFF AT THE BR FEE BR R F C A A B@SANANTONIO.GOV. AND THAT CONCLUDES ALL MY COMMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE. ADJOURN AJOUR MOTION ADJOURN. MEANING ADJOURN. ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.