* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY FOR THE APRIL 19TH MEETING OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY COMMITTEE. MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL RULE COUNCIL MEMBER BRAVO. COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. HERE. CHAIR CABRA. HERE, MA'AM. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR [Approval of Minutes  ] AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 21ST MEETING. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. MIGHT THAT MOTION? I SECOND? THANK YOU. UM, WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'LL NOW VOTE. UH, WE'RE NOT USING THE COMPUTERS TODAY, OR WE'RE, WE CAN'T. OH, WE CAN. OKAY. ONLY IF IT'S SHORTER. LET'S SEE. IT'S ALREADY TOO LONG. WE'LL GIVE IT A CHANCE AND THEN IF NOT FOR US, WE THINK IT'S FASTER FOR THEM. LET'S JUST GO, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST DO A VOTE. OKAY. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. FOCUS. SEE, LOOK, IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT . UH, ANY, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. UH, MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, MA'AM. THERE IS NO, OKAY. THANK YOU. AYE, UM, WITH NO PUBLIC COMMENT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM [Briefing and Possible Action on  ] TWO, DEBRIEFING ON THE REBUILDING AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE WITH SUSTAINABILITY AND EQUITY, OR RAISE GRANT. HI, TAMIKA. GOOD AFTERNOON. MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, TAMIKA MONVILLE, DIRECTOR OF THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEBRIEF THIS BODY ON OUR SUCCESSFUL APPLICATION FOR THE RAISE. GRANT, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, ARE AWARE, WE APPLIED FOR THE REBUILDING AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE GRANT EARLIER. OH MY GOSH. WELL, LAST YEAR, TIME IS FLYING AND WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING AN AWARD. HOWEVER, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THAT OUR APPLICATION WAS RECOMMENDED. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE DEBRIEF INFORMATION. AND THESE DEBRIEFS ARE DONE VERBALLY. THEY ARE NOT GIVEN TO YOU IN A WRITTEN DOCUMENT ABOUT YOUR PROS AND CONS. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU TAKE COPIOUS NOTES. SO I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF OUR GRANT APPLICATION IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THEY NEEDED MORE INFORMATION. SO ON MARCH 29TH, WE RECEIVED THE DEBRIEF AND THE GOOD INFORMATION THAT THEY SHARE WITH YOU ARE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WERE AWARDED. THERE WERE 90 PROJECTS THAT WERE AWARDED, AND IT WAS SPLIT EQUALLY BETWEEN RURAL AND URBAN ENVIRONMENTS. THERE WERE 47 STATES IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA WHO RECEIVED AWARDS. AND THE FOUR MERIT RATINGS YOU CAN RECEIVE WITH THESE APPLICATIONS ARE UNACCEPTABLE, ACCEPTABLE, RECOMMENDED, AND HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. $1 BILLION WERE AWARDED WITH THE GRANT THIS YEAR. AND LAST WEEK, ACTUALLY, FRIDAY WAS THE DUE DATE FOR THE 2022 APPLICATIONS. AND THE BROOKS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE ROADWAY PROJECT FOR RAISES. SO THE CRITERIA THAT THEY EVALUATE THE APPLICATION ON THEIR SEVEN CRITERIA, PARTNERSHIP SAFETY, ALSO, THEY IDENTIFY OTHER AREAS THAT ARE A PRIORITY OF THE ADMINISTRATION. AND WE RECEIVED THE RECOMMENDED RATING BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA FOR 2022. THERE'S A NEW CRITERIA ADDED, AND ITS MOBILITY AND COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY. THE REVIEW PROCESS ACTUALLY TAKES SOME TIME. AND ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY ALL OF THE MODAL ADMINISTRATIONS WITHIN U S D O T ARE CALLED TO HEADQUARTERS TO EVALUATE ALL THE, THE APPLICATIONS. THIS PROCESS LOOKS AT HOW THE APPLICANTS ALIGN WITH THE CRITERIA OF THE GRANT. THEY ALSO LOOK AT THE REGIONAL IMPACT, AND THAT IT'S A CLEAR AND DIRECT AND SIGNIFICANT IMPACT THAT THE PROJECTS OR APPLICATIONS WILL PRESENT. AND THEN THE CONTENT AND CREDIBILITY OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION IS EVALUATED. THE PROJECT THEN ADVANCES TO A SENIOR REVIEW TEAM, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF U S D O T EXECUTIVES. SO THIS COULD BE LEADERS WITHIN THE MODAL ADMINISTRATIONS. AND THEY ARE LOOKING AT PROJECT READINESS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS, THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE APPLICATION. SO BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION RECEIVED, THE AREAS IN WHICH WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, AND THERE WERE MORE QUESTIONS WERE IN THE AREA OF LOCAL AND REGIONAL IMPACT, THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE PROVIDE MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION AS TO THE POPULATION IN THE AREAS OF PERSISTENT POVERTY, WHERE OUR APPLICATION WAS BASED AND WHAT THE BENEFITS WOULD, WHAT BENEFITS WOULD ACCRUE TO THAT POPULATION AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE INVESTMENT INTO THE ZAMORA, UH, TRAILWAY PROJECT. [00:05:01] SO SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY WANTED TO KNOW WERE DETAILS THAT WERE NOT OUTLINED IN OUR APPLICATION. WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT INGRAM ROAD HAS A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT CRASHES AND PEDESTRIAN INJURIES AND FATALITIES, BUT THEY WANTED TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHICH NUMBER OF CRASHES ARE AUTO CRASHES, WHICH NUMBER ARE PEDESTRIAN, WHICH NUMBER ARE BICYCLE CRASHES, AND THEN WHAT IS THE BASELINE AND WHAT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE THE RESULT FOLLOWING THE INVESTMENT IN THAT GRANT. THESE, THESE GO BACK TO A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THIS BODY, THE PERFORMANCE METRICS. SO THEY, THEY WANTED MORE DETAILS, AND THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED BASED ON OUR APPLICATION WERE THE, THE NUMBER OF MILES OF THE PROJECT. SO WE, I THINK, HAD A PROBLEM IN OUR APPLICATION ARTICULATING THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE INVESTMENT FROM THE COUNTY, THE INVESTMENT FROM SARAH, AND THEN THE CITY'S INVESTMENT AND WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IN THAT APPLICATION. AND ALSO THE MAGNITUDE AND BREADTH OF THE ACTUAL POPULATION THAT WAS REPRESENTED AND THE BENEFITS THAT WERE GOING TO ACCRUE. WE DISCUSSED JOB ACCESS TO JOBS, BUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WHERE WERE THE JOBS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY OF PERSISTENT POVERTY. IT WAS A REALLY USEFUL REVIEW AND DEBRIEF FOR US, BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW WHAT ELEMENTS OF FUTURE APPLICATIONS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE. SO THE AREAS WHERE THERE WERE DISCREPANCIES WERE THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT. AND I THINK THIS OFTEN HAPPENS. WE IRONICALLY HAD A DEBRIEF THIS MORNING ON THE APPLICATION WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. ONE AREA THEY MENTIONED WAS THE SURVEY THAT PARKS DOES ANNUALLY ABOUT THE HOWARD PEAK TRAIL. THAT SURVEY WAS GREAT, BUT THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF RESPONDENTS FROM THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE IMPACTED BY THE PROJECT. SO TODAY WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE TEAM ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO BETTER WITH FUTURE SUBMISSIONS AND APPLICATIONS AND WHAT TYPE OF TYPES OF DATA ARE NECESSARY. ONE THING THE FEDS LIKE TO SEE IS THEY LIKE TO SEE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT A SUSTAINED PERIOD OF TIME. SO ALL OF THESE SUGGESTIONS WERE REALLY GREAT, AND WE BELIEVE THAT GETTING THESE DEBRIEFS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL TO US BUILDING AND PREPARING APPLICATIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMPETITIVE NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ALMOST PRE NEPA NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT LEVEL ENGAGEMENT, WHERE WE'RE DOCUMENTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FEDERAL PROCESS, THESE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE REQUESTING FUNDS, THAT WE HAVE A WEBSITE FOR THAT PROJECT. WE MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY ON A REGULAR BASIS. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE 30 DAY COMMUNITY RESPONSE OPPORTUNITY AND DOCUMENTING WHAT THE FEEDBACK IS, NOT JUST FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE BUSINESSES. SO THE CRITERIA FOR THE RAISE 22 GRANT WAS SHARED WITH US IN, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID TALK TO THE BROOKS TEAM ABOUT THEIR SUBMISSION TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE COVERING THE AREAS WHERE WE WERE NOT AS SUCCESSFUL. AND ALSO THE CRITERIA THAT WAS ADDED, THE MOBILITY AND COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE BROOKS APPLICATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE TRANSIT CENTER AT BROOKS AND THE LAST MILE, FIRST MILE CONNECTIONS THAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE IN THE INNOVATION PIECE. SO WITH THAT, OUR NEXT STEPS ARE TO REALLY TAKE THIS INFORMATION, LOOK AT FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES, AND AS WE TALK ABOUT OUR PROJECTS IN THE REGION, WHEN WE DISCUSS THE CALL FOR PROJECTS AND THE BOND PROGRAMS, WHICH PROJECTS REALLY SPEAK TO A LOT OF THESE, THESE DATA POINTS AND THESE TOUCH POINTS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SUGGEST TO US. OVERALL, I THINK WE DID VERY WELL WITH THE TEAM THAT CAME TOGETHER IN THE REGION, ESSENTIALLY CAME TOGETHER TO PUT THIS APPLICATION TOGETHER AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA SEE. I THINK, UH, MITCH, MITCH TALKED ABOUT SAN ANTONIO BEING AN EXAMPLE OF WORKING TOGETHER AND COORDINATING IN PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE REGIONAL LEADERSHIP TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS. AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO SO. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. TAMIKA. I'M CURIOUS, DID, WHEN YOU HAD THE DEBRIEFING, DID THEY SAY THAT THOSE CHANGES, IF YOU HAD MADE THOSE CHANGES, OR IT INCLUDED THEM IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, IT WOULD'VE BEEN SELECTED OR JUST MADE IT WOULD'VE MADE IT MORE COMPETITIVE? OR THEY WOULDN'T TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY IF YOU DID THESE THINGS, THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT FROM MY SUMMATION, AND I'VE BEEN IN A ROOM WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA BEING MET BY THE APPLICATIONS, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT MOVES FORWARD IF IT'S A CLEAR, CONCISE, THIS IS WHAT IT IS, AND THEN THAT [00:10:01] COMMITTEE OF THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP OF U S D L T WILL REVIEW IT. BUT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU TOUCH THOSE CRITERIA. OKAY. AND IT'S CLEAR THE LIKELIHOOD OF YOU GOING FORWARD IS LESS LIKELY IF IT'S NOT CLEARLY ARTICULATED IN YOUR APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE READY FOR THAT NEXT LEVEL OF EVALUATION. SO THERE'S NO, UM, THIS IS YOU KIND OF THE ONE SHOT, THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. YOU DON'T, THEY WON'T CALL YOU TO SAY, HEY, WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU CLARIFY OR, UM, THAT'S THE REALLY THE ONE OPPORTUNITY. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. YES MA'AM. SO THAT'S WHY PUTTING YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD, MAKING SURE YOUR PROJECT HAS THAT READINESS AND THAT YOU'RE CLEAR ABOUT THE PROJECT AND WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I THINK BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR FIRST APPLICATION, WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO SHOW THAT PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE THAT WAS WHAT WAS EMPHASIZED. THE, THE PARTNERSHIP, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOING IT, BUT THE REGION IS SUPPORTING THIS. BUT I BELIEVE THESE TYPES OF DEBRIEFS ARE REALLY CRITICAL BECAUSE IF YOU SUBMIT, AGAIN, MAKING SURE YOU CROSS THOSE T'S AND DOT THE I'S IN THE AREAS WHERE YOU WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, I, I THINK IT SHOWS THAT YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION AND YOU'RE ALSO CONSISTENT IN WHAT YOU'RE DELIVERING IN TERMS OF YOUR PRODUCT. HOW OFTEN ARE THESE RAISE GRANTS MADE AVAILABLE ANNUALLY. OKAY. SO IT'S A ANNUAL DISCRETIONARY GRANT. IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE FORMULA. IT'S, IF YOU WANNA APPLY, YOU CAN APPLY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR CHAO PARK WAS GOING TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR A RAISE GRANT FOR DE ZABALA. AND WE HAD DISCUSSED THE PROJECT, THE BROOKS PROJECT THAT WAS GOING FORWARD. THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING TWO PROJECTS IN ONE REGION IS JUST UNHEARD OF. IT'S VERY, VERY RARE. IT'S PROBABLY, I COULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHEN IT'S HAPPENED, BUT IF IT DOES HAPPEN, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE CAPITAL, YOU KNOW, MEGA PROJECT WHERE IT MIGHT BE A SMALL PROJECT THAT IS MAYBE NOT AS SIGNIFICANT, BUT SOMETHING FOR A COMMUNITY. BUT IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE WOULD GET TO RAISE GRANTS TO OUR REGION. DOES IT, OR DO I AM NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY. DO WE WORK WITH, UH, LIKE LOCAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES OR THE COUNTY TO INCREASE, UM, THE SCOPE OF OUR PROJECTS? AND WOULD THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, UM, ATTRACTIVE IF THERE YEAH, SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. OKAY. WHEN BILL WAS COMING OUT, THE CONVERSATIONS WE STARTED HAVING AT THE STAFF LEVEL WAS, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY? DO YOU HAVE ANY PROJECTS AS SARAH, THAT WE AS A REGION COULD ALL COALESCE BEHIND? AND TYPICALLY JURISDICTIONS WORK WITH THOSE SMALLER MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN A COUNTY. AND AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY, BEXAR COUNTY DOES, WORKS WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES TO IDENTIFY AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT ON BEHALF OFTEN, BUT A MUNICIPALITY CAN SUBMIT ON THEIR OWN. MM-HMM. BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT JUST DILUTES OUR OPPORTUNITIES AS A REGION AND IT SHOWS US NOT WORKING TOGETHER. MM-HMM. BECAUSE WHEN U S D O T LOOKS AT IT, THEY SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS MULTIPLE PROJECTS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OR DIFFERENT AGENCIES WITHIN THE REGION, SO IT DOESN'T SHOW COORDINATION. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK AT. THE ALAMO AREA, N P O, THEY LOOK AT THE PROJECT BEING, 'CAUSE THE PROJECT HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE TO GET INTO THE TIP, THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. SO YOU CAN APPLY, BUT IF THAT PROJECT IS NOT IN THE, THE TIP OR THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR THE REGION, THEN U S D L T IS NOT TYPICALLY GOING TO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT. IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE TIP. SO IT MIGHT NOT BE IN THERE NOW, BUT IF IT IS AWARDED, WE HAVE TO SHOW WITHIN OUR APPLICATION THAT IT CAN BE EASILY SUBMITTED INTO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AND HAVE WE IDENTIFIED THE PROJECT, UH, FOR THE NEXT ROUND? SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL OF THE STAFF, THE PROJECT THAT BEST SPOKE TO ALL OF THE EIGHT CRITERIA FOR 22 WAS THE BROOKS PROJECT BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE LOCAL REGIONAL CONNECTION IN TERMS OF THE BOND PROGRAM AND INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE OVER TIME FROM THE COUNTY AND BOTH THE CITY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT. AND THE OTHER CRITERIA, SO THE INNOVATION PIECE, THE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLE, LAST MILE, FIRST MILE, THE MULTIMODAL, UM, MOBILITY AND COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY, THE PERSISTENT POVERTY, THE SAFETY IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE ROADWAY THAT WOULD BE SAFE. IT'S MULTIMODAL IN THAT IT'S A MULTI-USE PATH. SIDEWALKS, BIKE ACCESSIBILITY. SO IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE REGIONAL PARTNERS, NO ONE HAD A PROJECT THAT JUST STOOD OUT AS BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CRITERIA. AND THAT'S A CRITICAL ELEMENT IS MAKING SURE ALL THE CRITERIA ARE, YOU KNOW, BASED IN THAT APPLICATION. YOU BROUGHT, UM, THIS PROJECT, THE ZAMAR CREEK GREEN WHALE TRAIL PROJECT TO US A WHILE BACK. I ASSUME THAT YOU'LL BRING THE BROOKS, UM, OR AT LEAST, UM, I GUESS [00:15:01] YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I, I'D LIKE FOR TRANSPORTATION TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON WHAT PROJECT WE'RE CHOOSING. SO NOT JUST BRINGING BROOKS, BUT MAYBE A COUPLE OF OTHER OPTIONS. UM, YES MA'AM. OKAY. WE'LL DEFINITELY DO THAT. SO THE APPLICATIONS FOR 22 WERE DUE THIS PAST FRIDAY AND THE BROOKS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED. BUT I THINK AS WE HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE M T P, ABOUT THOSE THREE MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS, AND THIS IS THE NATURAL PROGRESSION OF PROJECTS. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE MULTIMODAL CORRIDORS, I THINK WE'RE SCHEDULED TO DISCUSS THAT AT A FUTURE MEETING. THE AMPO CORRIDORS, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF PROJECTS WHERE WE DO THE PLANNING. WE COME UP WITH THE CONCEPTS, AND THEN IT MAKES THEM IDEAL TO APPLY FOR OTHER DISCRETIONARY SOURCES OF FUNDING. IT MAY BE A PLANNING PROJECT AS WELL. SO IF THERE IS SIGNIFICANT PLANNING, ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS, THERE ARE PLANNING GRANTS THAT ARE ALSO AVAILABLE THROUGH THE RAISE PROGRAM. OKAY. THANK YOU TAMIKA. YES, MA'AM. UM, ANY OTHER COUNCIL COMMENT? COUNCIL CIO? THANK YOU CHAIR. THANK YOU TAMIKA, FOR THE PRESENTATION. UM, DO WE KNOW OF ANY OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN SAN ANTONIO OR BEAR COUNTY WHO'S ALSO APPLYING FOR THIS, UH, RAISE GRANT FOR? SO CHAUVIN OAK PARK WAS GOING TO SUBMIT A RAISE GRANT APPLICATION, BUT WE SHARED WITH THEM THAT WE HAD HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH BROOKS AND THE REGIONAL STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT THE BROOKS PROJECT. SO THEY, I BELIEVE THEY DID NOT SUBMIT THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY, WE SHARED WITH THEM THAT IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD FOR OUR REGION WHEN WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND SAYING THAT THIS PROJECT IS THE PRIORITY AND THAT PROJECT WAS APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION. IT WAS CONTINGENT UPON THEIR BOND. IF THEY WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN THE BOND, THEY WERE SEEKING TO APPLY FOR THE RAISE GRANT AS A STOPGAP MEASURE, IF YOU WILL, FOR IF IT WERE NOT IN THEIR BOND. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, WITH THAT, RIGHT, IF I, I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO BE BRIEFED ON ANY UPCOMING GRANTS AND AS WELL AS A BRIEFING ON, UM, IF WE'RE AWARE OF ANY OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE ALSO SEEKING TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT SO WE CAN BE AWARE OF ALL THE PROJECTS. UH, ON SLIDE SIX, IT MENTIONS, UM, ONE OF THE SHORTFALLS WAS, UH, NOT ENOUGH COMMUNITY RESPONSE, UM, OR NUMBERS OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. UM, DID THEY GIVE DETAIL ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR LETTERS OF SUPPORT? IS IT FROM RESIDENTS, SMALL BUSINESSES, ELECTED OFFICIALS? WHAT WERE THEY LOOKING FOR WHEN IT CAME TO LETTERS OF SUPPORT? YES, MA'AM. SO THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT PROJECTS GET LIKE HUNDREDS OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT. SO TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT, WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 30 LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND IT CAME FROM A VARIETY OF PARTNERS, INCLUDING MUNICIPALITIES, THE JURISDICTIONS, THE COUNTY SUPPORTED US, AND ALSO BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY HOAS. SO WHOEVER IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT, I THINK THE, THE MAIN PIECE THAT WAS MISSING FOR US WAS THAT OUR ENGAGEMENT WAS FOR A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME. IT WAS JUST BEFORE WE APPLIED FOR THE PROJECT. AND WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST A ONE SHOT, IT'S A SUSTAINED ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY, SIMILAR TO A PRE PRE-PA TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT WHERE YOU ARE CONTINUALLY INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PROJECT AND NOT JUST FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE. ALRIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU TAMIKA. THANK YOU, SIR. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. I, UH, THANK YOU. IT IS VERY INSTRUCTIVE TO HEAR THE, THE DEBRIEF AND I'M GLAD YOU GOT THAT IN TIME TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE INFORMATION TO THE BROOKS MM-HMM. . YES, MA'AM. FOR THE BROOKS SUBMISSION. UM, WHAT, UH, IF I RECALL, UH, WE DID NOT GET A BRIEFING AT TRANSPORTATION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS RAISE GRANT SUBMISSION. YES, WE DID. DID, I'M SORRY, MAURA, I REMEMBER WE, WE GOT A BRIEFING ON THIS ONE AND BROOKS, BROOKE, LEO CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT BROOKS. SO WE, THE DEBRIEF THAT, NOT THE DEBRIEF, BUT WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR WAS AROUND THIS TIME BECAUSE THE APPLICATION WAS DUE IN JULY LAST YEAR. IT, IT WENT TO I G R. IT DID NOT COME TO THIS COMMITTEE. WE DID. IT DID, WE DID, YES, MA'AM. BEFORE IT WAS SUBMITTED. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. BECAUSE WE CAME TO THE BODY AND WE PROVIDED AN OVERVIEW OF THE BROOKS APPLICATION WAS ONE PROJECT AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE SUGGESTED, AND THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BECAUSE OF THE CRITERIA. AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. YEAH. IF YOU COULD JUST MA'AM REMIND ME THE DATE. UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THE DECISION HAD BEEN MADE THEN BEFORE IT CAME HERE. NO, MA'AM. WE DIDN'T MAKE THE DECISION. WE PRESENTED THE ALTERNATIVES, WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE THE PROJECTS THAT BEST FIT THE CRITERIA, AND WE ASKED THIS BODY FOR SUPPORT FOR SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION. WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT BECAUSE I, I KEENLY REMEMBER COUNCILMAN PERRY SAYING, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE BEST PROJECT. YEAH, YEAH. BUT, UM, AND I, AND YOU AND I DID WEBSITE YOU TO SUPPORT US [00:20:01] SUBMITTING IT. WHAT I WANNA, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR TIME AND WE'LL ADD A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR YOU, BUT IT, IT WAS, I DO WANNA MAKE THE POINT THOUGH THAT WHAT I'M ASKING FOR THIS TIME WAS TO KNOW ABOUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS. WE DID NOT GET THAT LAST TIME WE GOT THIS PROJECT BRIEFING, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE OR COULD BE LOOKED AT FOR GRACE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CITY PROJECTS OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE REGION, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE MEETING WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS AND WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH ONE WE SHOULD SUBMIT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR DO YOU MEAN JUST CITY PROJECTS? UH, WELL, I GUESS BOTH. I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON WHICH ONE WE'RE PUTTING UP EVENTUALLY FOR RAISE. AND WHEN I SAY I, I MEAN THIS COMMITTEE. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL CERTAINLY DO THAT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. OKAY. UM, THE SENSE I, MY MEMORY , UH, MAKES ME FEEL SOMETHING LIKE WE DIDN'T EITHER GET THAT TYPE OF INPUT, BUT I, I REMEMBERED IT DIFFERENTLY. I COULD BE INCORRECT ABOUT THAT, BUT IT COULD BE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPTIONS, UH, TO, TO CHOOSE FROM. SO I'M, UM, I, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THE CHAIR THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THE OPTIONS. UH, I THINK THE SAME THING HAPPENED THIS YEAR THAT IT WAS THE, THE BROOKS GRANT. UM, IT'S TOO BAD ABOUT CHAU PARK. UM, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE COMMITTEE THAT COME, THAT GROUP THAT CAME TO TOGETHER, UM, THE COUNTY'S ON IT. SO MAYBE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT IS TO, TO NOTICE THAT. BECAUSE I, I THINK IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE GROUP, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE MEETING. RIGHT. HOW, HOW DO YOU GET THAT OUT THERE TO THE TRANSPORTATION PARTNERS? SO TYPICALLY FROM MY EXPERIENCE, HAVING WORKED AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, TYPICALLY THE COUNTY WORKS CLOSELY WITH THOSE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE NOT A PART OF THE LARGER MUNICIPAL AREA. SO SHAVANO, OMO PARK, ALL THOSE WOULD WORK WITH THE COUNTY LEADERSHIP ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS. SO WE WEREN'T AWARE BY THE COUNTY THAT THERE WERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. SO WE CAN DEFINITELY, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED WITH THEM AND RENEE IS AWARE OF THEIR APPLICATION MM-HMM. . SO I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US KNOWING WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS. YEAH. I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE MUNICIPALITIES LEAD, IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE LEAD ON CONVENING, MAYBE WE JUST WANNA DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH COUNTY. YES. WITH THE COUNTY. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. UM, SO, UH, SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO, TO SEE THE, THE OPTIONS AND, UM, UH, I, I GUESS IF I WAS AWARE OF THIS PROJECT BEFORE THEN I FAILED TO FURTHER PARTICIPATE BY GETTING MORE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY. BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN DEFINITELY HELP WITH. AS YOU KNOW, WE KNOCK ON A LOT OF DOORS IN, IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. SO, UM, PLEASE, PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN BE SUPPORTIVE IN THE FUTURE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN SON OF ALL COUNCILMAN PERRY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YEAH, THANKS FOR, UH, REFRESHING OUR MEMORY. AND I DO REMEMBER SAYING THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PROJECT THAT WE SHOULD BE SUBMITTING ON THOSE, ON THOSE TRAILS FOR THIS TYPE OF A GRANT AND, UH, SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME. BUT ANYWAY, UM, DO YOU THINK IT'S BECAUSE THIS WAS OUR FIRST ONE THAT WE SUBMITTED ON THIS? NO, SIR. I, I, OKAY. HONESTLY. WELL, AND THIS IS A LOT OF THE TEAM ARE STILL A LITTLE SALTY ABOUT NOT GETTING THE GRANT, BUT THIS IS THE CITY'S FIRST TIME SUBMITTING FOR THIS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE GRANT. YEAH. AND, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY HUGE. I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT. I THINK IT IS SPECIFIC TO THOSE AREAS WHERE WE COULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR IN OUR APPLICATION. OKAY. YOU HAD MENTIONED A CONSULTANT. WHEN DID WE BRING ON THE CONSULTANT TO HELP US IN THIS PROCESS? WE BROUGHT ON THE CONSULTANT PRETTY EARLY. AS SOON AS WE IDENTIFIED WHAT THAT PROJECT WAS, WE BROUGHT THE CONSULTANT ON, ON THIS C ZZA MOORE CREEK. WE HAD A CONSULTANT. YES, SIR. SO THEY WERE A PART OF OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANTS. OKAY. THAT ARE ALREADY ON CALL. SO WE JUST GAVE A TASK OR THAT WORK. AND HOW MUCH DID WE PAY THIS CONSULTANT FOR THIS JOB? APPROXIMATELY $30,000. SO $30,000. AND WE HAD THESE KIND OF GAPS IN HERE. WE NEED ANOTHER CONSULTANT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS, I DON'T CARE. BUT IF WE GET THIS KIND OF COM COMPLIANCE AND LEG UP WITH THAT CONSULTANT, UH, I CONSIDER THAT A FAILURE TO HAVE THESE KIND OF GAPS IN IT TO SUBMIT FOR THIS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE GRANT. JUST THAT'S MY OPINION. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, WHO, WHO ELSE IN TEXAS GOT A RAISE GRANT? SO THERE WERE FOUR, FOUR RAISE GRANTS THAT WERE AWARDED TO TEXAS. THERE WERE TWO BIKE PROJECTS, AND I BELIEVE I OTHER ROADWAY PROJECTS, AND I CAN CONFIRM [00:25:01] THAT FOR YOU. AND WAS THIS THEIR FIRST GRANTS IN THE RAISES OR HAD THEY NO. OKAY. AND, AND SO THAT'S WHO, WHO WAS THAT, WHEN YOU SAY, WAS IT THEIR FIRST GRANT APPLICATION? YEAH, RIGHT. FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR WINS, IF YOU WILL. AND WHO WAS IT? WAS IT HOUSTON? YES. THERE WAS A PROJECT IN DALLAS. AND A KEY COMPONENT OF THESE RAISE APPLICATIONS IS TXDOT SUPPORTED THE PROJECT THAT WAS AWARDED. IT WAS A BIKE PROJECT, BIKE TRAIL PROJECT THAT WAS AWARDED, AND IT WAS SPONSORED BY TXDOT AND THAT WAS IN DALLAS. AND I COULD GET YOU THE OTHER DETAILS ON THE OTHER PROJECTS. OKAY. I I, AND THE PURPOSE FOR THAT QUESTION WAS DID WE EVER BENCHMARK WITH THEM? DID WE EVER GET AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY SUBMITTED TO HELP US WITH OUR PROCESS? YES, SIR. SO WE DO HAVE ALL OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS. AND PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT, IF YOU ALL YOU MAY RECALL, WE PRESENTED SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WERE SUCCESSFUL RELATED TO BIKE PROJECTS WHEN WE PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE BEFORE WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION. TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS IN SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS, THE SPONSORS WERE TDOT. SO TECH DOT BEING A SPONSOR, AND THE PARTNERSHIP REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES. OKAY. WE, WE DEFINITELY CAN IMPROVE. AND I WOULD NOT PUT THAT ON THE CONSULTANT. IT'S A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE PROJECT OR DISCRETIONARY GRANT. AND SO FIRST TIME OUT, I'M GONNA GO WITH THE WIN. BECAUSE IF THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO I'VE ACTUALLY LOST A RAISE GRANT APPLICATION AND IT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FOR A MUNICIPALITY AND FOR THE REGION TO COALESCE AROUND ONE PROJECT, THAT'S REALLY AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. WELL, I, I AGREE. IF, IF WE CAN DO THAT, AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE THROUGH THE M P O, I DON'T SEE THAT WE CAN DO THAT LOCALLY HERE IN THE CITY. WE'VE GOTTA DEAL WITH THE REGION, SIR, THROUGH NMM. P O AND I I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING AT THE M P O SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT. THIS IS WHAT TDOT IS GONNA SUPPORT EVEN ON THIS BROOKS PACKAGE. I, I DIDN'T SEE THAT COME UP AT THE M P O THAT THEY WERE SUPPORTING THIS FOR THE ENTIRE REGION. SO, AND THEY DID SUPPORT BOTH THE APPLICATION IN 2021, AND THEY ALSO PROVIDED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THE BROOKS APPLICATION. OKAY. I, I DIDN'T SEE THAT, BUT YES. AND SO A LOT OF THESE THINGS HAPPEN AT THE STAFF LEVEL TOO. BUT ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO NOTE IS ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. SO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE M P O PROCESS. YES. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST LETTERS OF SUPPORT YOU SEEK IS FROM THE M P O. AND WE DID GET THOSE FROM THE M P O. OKAY. I, I DIDN'T SEE THOSE. AND I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING BRIEFED AT THE M P O. MAYBE I WASN'T THERE. YES. I DON'T KNOW. BUT ANYWAY, UM, I, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. UM, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT BROOKS AGAIN, AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THIS. I WAS, I I'M, I'M REMEMBER. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CHIME BACK. OH, OKAY. UM, THE FIRST ONE FOR THE, THE TRAILWAYS TRAILWAY, I, I NOW REMEMBER THAT AND I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. YES, SIR. UM, BUT THIS ONE ON THE BROOKS, THIS COMMITTEE WHO'S ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT SELECTED BROOKS AND WHAT AUTHORITY DO THEY HAVE FOR SPEAKING FOR THE CITY? IT'S NOT A COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF HAVING ANY AUTHORITY. IT'S REALLY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, REGIONAL AGENCIES JUST HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEIR RESPECTIVE PRIORITIES. IT'S AKIN TO, AT THE STAFF LEVEL FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHEN THE COUNCIL STAFF CONTACT CITY STAFF TO INQUIRE ABOUT AND DISCUSS PROJECTS. THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE THOSE LARGER ORGANIZATIONS THAT TYPICALLY HAVE AN INFLUENCE OR HIGH DOLLAR PROJECTS AND OR MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS IN REGIONAL DECISION MAKING. WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I DISCUSSED THIS, I THINK IT WAS AT A B SESSION. YES, SIR. YOU DID. UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT PROCESS. THIS SHOULD BE BRIEFED AT THIS COMMITTEE, JUST AS YOU SAID, MA'AM, ON WHO, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT'S THE UNIVERSE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? I, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE ONE OF MY ROADS SUBMITTED ON THIS THAT I THINK FITS ALL THE CRITERIA IDEALLY. AND YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT? HARRY WEBO? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. UM, SO I DIDN'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN HAVE THAT PROJECT LOOKED AT. SO I THINK BY THAT GROUP OR BY ANY GROUP, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH THIS AND GET OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR, UH, APPROVAL ON WHAT GETS SUBMITTED. I, AGAIN, I, I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH THAT PROCESS. AND [00:30:01] I HOPE THAT THAT CHANGES FROM HERE ON OUT. WELL LET, LET, WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED BROOKS. YEAH. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. THAT'S OUT THE DOOR, BUT I WANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT INPUT THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE HERE ON CITY REQUESTED PROJECTS. RIGHT. AND THEN IT GOES UP TO M P O AND THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO FOR, FOR ROAD PROJECTS. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S FAIRLY NEW. SO WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PUTTING FORWARD THE CITY PROJECTS. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE TO, YOU KNOW, TO PICK OUR ONE. 'CAUSE THIS IS A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SUBMIT ONE, UM, AND WE NEED TO WORK WITH OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS TO COME UP WITH A BETTER PROCESS TO WHERE WE PICK THE ONE PROJECT WHERE WE SUBMIT. UH, THAT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT TRICKIER. UH, SO WE, WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT BEFORE THE NEXT ROUND. UH, BUT THE EASY ONE IS, IS A CITY WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH THIS COMMITTEE AND, AND GET YOUR INPUT SO WE CAN PICK OUR ONE PROJECT SO WE CAN PUT THAT FORWARD AGAINST ALL THE OTHER REGIONAL PROJECTS. AND WE'LL WORK WITH OUR OTHER PARTNERS, UH, AROUND THE REGION TO FIGURE OUT, UH, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE SOLID, UH, TO PICK THAT ONE PROJECT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, THIS WAS THE GUINEA PIG RIGHT HERE. THIS WAS BRAND NEW TO, TO ALL OF US. UH, MOST OF US HADN'T PARTICIPATED IN A RAISE GRANT PROCESS. SO, UH, TIME WAS ON OUR SIDE. WE HAD TO WORK VERY QUICKLY. UH, WE WERE ALSO, I WAS JUST TALKING TO COUNCILMAN HUBBARD. WE WERE ALSO AGAINST THE JULY BREAK COUNCIL WENT AWAY. UH, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, OF YOUR REVIEW. SO WE, WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, QUICKLY PUT THIS ONE ON FOR THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME. BUT, UH, BUT I THINK, UH, WE SUBMITTED IT. UH, WE, WE LEARNED A LOT. UH, WE LEARNED A LOT THAT THIS DEBRIEF AND, UH, WE'LL DO BETTER THE NEXT TIME THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, ROD. AND I'M, I'M BEING CRITICAL ABOUT OUR PREVIOUS PROCESS BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF THOSE GAPS IN THE BUY-IN THE APPROVAL AND SUBMISSION OF A PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE CITY OR ANY OTHER CITY OR ANY OTHER COUNTY AS FAR AS THAT GOES. SO YEAH, WE GOT A YEAR TO DO THAT. AND I HOPE THAT THIS BECOMES A, A, A PRIORITY FOR US TO WORK WITH OUR, OUR REGIONAL, UH, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS OUT THERE ON HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THIS, AND WHO, WHO'S GONNA SELECT, WHO'S GONNA, UH, INPUT TO THIS, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING. SO, YEAH. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. WE GOT A, WELL, WE GOT A YEAR TO GET THAT DONE. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PERRY. THAT WAS AN ITEM FOR BRIEFING, RIGHT? SO, OH, YES, PLEASE. COUNCILWOMAN. UH, SANDOVAL, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR, ON YOUR POINT. WHEN WE, UH, TYPICALLY SUBMIT GRANTS IN THE CITY'S NAME FOR, TO OTHER ENTITIES, UH, WE SEE THEM ON A COUNT. SOMETIMES WE SEE THEM ON A COUNCIL AGENDA, UM, OR SOMETIMES WE SEE THEM WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US AND WE ACCEPT THE, THE MONEY. SOMETIMES WE SEE THEM BOTH TIMES. UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS, A, A BLACK AND WHITE PROCESS ON THAT. OR IF I, IF WE DO, COULD YOU SEND IT TO ME , IF THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE ON THAT? YEAH, THANK YOU. I, I WILL. BECAUSE I, I THINK THE, THE TRICK IS, UH, LIKE WITH THE M P O, THERE'S A A 20% MATCH. SO WE TYPICALLY GO TO COUNCIL AND WE GET SOME BUY-IN. 'CAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE, IF WE GET THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT OF POCKET 20%. I THINK THAT'S THE, THE TRICK THERE. BUT I, I'LL LOOK IT UP AND WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THIS COMMITTEE. IT'S, THANK YOU. UM, I KNOW WE DO SOME HEALTH ONES, SOME CRIMINAL JUSTICE ONES AS WELL. UM, AND I'VE, I'VE NOT QUITE FIGURED THAT OUT YET. UH, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THIS TYPE OF SUBMISSION WHERE WE WERE INVOLVED IN, OUR STAFF WAS INVOLVED IN SELECTING THE PROJECT OR BLESSING THE PROJECT THAT WENT FORWARD, UH, BUT, AND WE WERE INFORMED, UH, DOES THE CITY, HAS THE CITY BEEN REQUESTED, BEEN ASKED FOR A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? WELL, BECAUSE WE ARE APPLYING FOR THE GRANT. I THOUGHT BROOKS WAS APPLYING FOR THE GRANT. ARE YOU REFERRING TO BROOKS OR YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT BROOKS? OUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION. BROOKS. UHHUH. , YES. SO THEY DID REQUEST A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S THE MAYOR. I'M NOT CERTAIN OF ALL THE NUANCES OF THEIR APPLICATION, BECAUSE THEY JUST SUBMITTED IT AND, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S THE ROUND ROBIN OF MUNICIPALITIES, RESIDENTS, HOAS, I BELIEVE THEY DID GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE MAYOR, SO REPRESENTING THE CITY. SO I'M NOT, OKAY. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO TO FULL COUNCIL. UM, THE, THE MAYOR AT HIS DISCRETION CAN SUPPORT, UH, BASICALLY ANY PROJECT HE WANTS, JUST LIKE WE CAN IN OUR OWN DISTRICTS. YES, MA'AM. BECAUSE THEY APPLIED FOR THEMSELVES, SO NO, UNDERSTOOD. YES, MA'AM. THAT IT'S THEIR APPLICATION. YES, MA'AM. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, [00:35:01] I'M STILL WONDERING WHAT OUR FORMAL ROLE IS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ONE. YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, BRIEFING ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. SO TODAY WE WANNA ALSO BRING TO YOU THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH MANY PEOPLE HERE, M T P, YOU GET ALL THESE ACRONYMS AND TRANSPORTATION MIXED UP. IS IT THE, UH, MAJOR TRANSPORTATION PLAN OR FUTURE METROPOLITAN TRANSPORTATION PLAN? TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH WAS A PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 1978. I WASN'T BORN THEN. I'M GONNA GO WITH THAT. UM, IT'S A COMPONENT OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT IDENTIFIES THE LOCATIONS OF THE MAJOR ROADS WITHIN THE CITY, AND ITS, UH, E T J EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTIONS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN IS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY AND OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS, WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR MAJOR TRANSPORTATION NETWORK IS, HOW WE GET AROUND, HOW WE MOVE PEOPLE, HOW WE MOVE GOODS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND INEFFICIENT, MOVING IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER. AND SO THIS DOCUMENT THROUGH THE DECADES, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE JUST AMEND IT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GENERALLY UNDERTAKEN WHEN A DEVELOPMENT NECESSITATES. SO IF, FOR EXAMPLE, TAMIKA MAY OWN SOME PROPERTY ALONG ONE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGH FAIRES, AND THAT IN TURN REQUIRES THAT I TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACCESS TO THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND SO IT'S PROMPTED BY THE DEVELOPER'S ACTIONS. AND IN SOME INSTANCES, IT MAY BE AN ACTION UNDERTAKEN BY D S D, BY THE CITY BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OR A MAJOR EMPLOYER IS COMING TO THE AREA, AND WE NEED TO AMEND THE ACCESS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THIS NEW MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT. SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED FOR YOU TO SEE THIS, BUT THIS IS OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN FROM 20 FOR 2022. AND AGAIN, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THOSE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. THE PROBLEM IS THAT NONE OF US WERE BORN WHEN THIS PLAN WAS ADOPTED. AND IT IS TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. , LIKE I SAID. NEXT SLIDE, . SO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS OVER 40 YEARS OLD. WE HAVE DONE AN EXTENSIVE LAND USE ANALYSIS AND ENGAGEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC WITH SA TOMORROW, THE MULTIMODAL PLAN, THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN. BUT THIS PLAN IS REALLY CRITICAL TO OUR GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PLAN IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. AND THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN, WE WILL, THE PURPOSE IS TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN STILL MOVE PEOPLE IN GOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND IT'S DONE THROUGH THE PLATING PROCESS. BUT WHAT WE FOUND IS WE'VE BEEN DOING AMENDMENTS TO THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND AMENDMENT AFTER AMENDMENT. NOT A LOT, BUT IT'S NOW TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PLAN COMPREHENSIVELY TO REALLY SET OUT WHAT OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARES LOOK LIKE, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLEMENT THE DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES, THE HOUSING PRIORITIES, AND ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY. AND SO, IF NOT REQUIRED TO BE BILLED AS PART OF A, A DEVELOPMENT, THE M T P CAN BE DONE THROUGH A BOND INITIATIVE. IF WE, WE FIND THAT DEVELOPMENT NECESSITATES SUCH AN ACTION, AND HERE WE'VE SHARED THE NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE OVER THE YEARS THAT WERE INITIATED THROUGH VARIOUS BODIES AND WHERE THEY OCCUR IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT. AS THE DEPARTMENT IS GROWING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS A LOT OF EMPHASIS IN SOME AREAS THAT ARE REQUIRING US AS A STAFF TO LOOK AT THESE AND DO THE ANALYSIS AND EVALUATION. AND SO THESE CAN SOMETIMES TAKE SIX MONTHS FOR US TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WORKING WITH THE AFFECTED COMMUNITY [00:40:01] RESIDENTS OR BUSINESS OWNERS. AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, ACTUALLY LAST YEAR, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO UPDATE THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO REFLECT WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY, AS A REGION. AND ALSO GIVEN THE CURRENT CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH TXDOT AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CITY'S ROADWAY NETWORK AND THOSE MAJOR HIGHWAY NETWORKS, AND ALSO WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE FOR PORT SA FOR ALL OF THESE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE M T P. SO THESE AMENDMENTS CAN BE PROPOSED BASED ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS. IT COULD BE DEVELOPMENT IN SOME INSTANCES WITH THE KELLY PARKWAY. WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM HAS A REQUIREMENT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE E P A, TO HAVE WETLANDS. AND SO THAT REQUIRES US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE M T P AND MAKE SURE WE'RE SETTING ASIDE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY TO ENSURE WE MEET OUR FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT ALSO THAT WE DON'T PRECLUDE OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE ACCESS AND CONNECTIVITY TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS CITY. IN ESSENCE, THE GOAL OF THE M T P IS TO HELP MANAGE AND ENSURE CONNECTIVITY, NO MATTER THE MODE, NO MATTER THE GOOD OR THE SERVICE. AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PROPOSING AS A PART OF THIS, THIS NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, IS TO UPDATE THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO LOOK AT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY AND NOT THROUGH THIS PIECEMEAL WAY WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT, WHICH IS DEVELOPER PROMPTED. AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WHEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY. SO THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TIMELINE. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IF THERE AREN'T ANY CAVEATS, SUCH AS A FEDERALLY REQUIRED WETLAND THAT COMES INTO PLAY, THIS IS A TYPICAL PROCESS. AND DEPENDING UPON THE ISSUE, DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE, THE GOALS ARE OF THE CITY AND THAT DEVELOPER, THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM FOUR MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS OR LONGER DEPENDING UPON THE ISSUE. BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AS A DEPARTMENT IS TO REQUEST FUNDS TO UPDATE THE ENTIRE M T P. THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WITH OUR PLANNING PARTNERS, AND WITH PUBLIC WORKS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS PROGRAMMED INTO OUR BOND, AND WE WANNA LOOK COMPREHENSIVELY AT THEM AND NOT AT THEM AS INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE M T P AS IT STANDS TODAY. SO ALL OF THESE PLANS, VISION ZERO, THE SAFETY GOALS, THE UPDATE OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL PLAY A PART IN THE M T P UPDATE. IN PARTICULAR, WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS RIGHT NOW, BRENDA HICKS, SOEN SORENSON, THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS DEVELOPING A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CITY AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRIORITIES. WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND ENSURE THAT IT HAS THE CAPACITY, OR OUR ROADWAY NETWORK HAS THE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT US IN GROWING AND MAKING SURE WE DO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE LARGER VISION IN THE REGION IN OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, TAMIKA. YES, MA'AM. HOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU ESTIMATE THE COST WILL BE TO UPDATE THE M T P? SO WHAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF PEER CITIES WHO'VE RECENTLY UPDATED THEIRS. WE ESTIMATE IN THE RANGE OF 750,000 TO 1.2 MILLION. AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST, IT IS, OKAY, PLEASE PUT HIM SOME MORE . WAS THAT FOR, WAS THAT FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT ? THAT WAS RIGHT ON TIME. COUNCILMAN . ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED IS THAT UNLIKE OTHER PLANS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF MAJOR CONSTRUCTION BY TEXAS D O T. WE'RE ALSO IN THE MIDST OF CONVERSATIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH MAJOR EMPLOYERS AND THE REGIONAL PLANS. SO WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS THE BEST STRATEGY IN TERMS OF UPDATING THE PLAN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE BY QUADRANTS. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR REGIONAL CENTERS AND OUR SUB SUBAR PLANS, THEY'RE REALLY HUGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF CONVERSATION. AND WE CAN HAVE THESE LENGTHY CONVERSATIONS THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, OR WE CAN DO IT IN [00:45:01] ONE FELL SWOOP. AND WHAT THIS WILL DO IS SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND NOT HAVING TO SPEND SO MUCH TIME ON THESE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS, BUT HAVING A GUIDE AS TO WHERE THE, WHERE THE CITY IS GOING AND WHERE THE REGION IS GOING IN TERMS OF OUR ROADWAY NETWORK SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT. AND I THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST BENEFIT OF DOING A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE, IS LOOKING AT THE TECHNICAL CAPACITY OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WHICH IS REALLY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW WITH STAFF. AND WHEN WE GO THROUGH THESE AMENDMENTS, IT'S TAKING STAFF FROM ALL OF VAR, THESE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LAND USE, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TRANSPORTATION, TO COORDINATE WITH THE NM P O WITH T DOT, AND DOING IT THIS WAY. WE WILL DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME. AND HOPEFULLY MY GOAL AND MY THOUGHT IS THAT IT WILL PRECLUDE US FROM HAVING TO DO SO MANY INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS WHERE WE KNOW WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PRIORITY IS BASED ON THE LAND USE PLANS. AND SA TOMORROW. I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO IT, TAMIKA SAID THIS IS A, IT'S A 40 YEAR OLD PLAN. UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY IN THOSE 40 YEARS. UH, THE FLOODPLAIN, UH, HAS CHANGED TREMENDOUSLY IN, IN THAT TIMEFRAME. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE ROADS ON THE MAP, AND, AND THESE ARE JUST MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, UH, SOMETIMES THEY JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE. SOMETIMES, UH, THESE ROADS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD. UH, THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IS, UH, IT'S THE DEVELOPERS, 90% OF THE TIME, IT'S THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BUILD THIS ROAD. UH, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT SAYS WE CAN ONLY MAKE 'EM BUILD, UH, BASED ON THE DEMAND THAT THEY PUT ONTO THE SYSTEM. SO IF THEY'RE BUILDING A LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEXT TO A ROADWAY THAT CROSSES A FLOODPLAIN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA GENERATE ENOUGH, UH, ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY FOR THEM TO BUILD, UH, WHAT THEY WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO BUILD. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT, THAT WE GRAPPLE WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. UH, AND, AND A LOT OF THAT STEMS FROM THIS, THIS THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT'S OLD. UH, SO IF WE CAN TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THAT, UH, WE CAN ADJUST THESE ROADWAYS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. UH, WE COULD TRULY SPEED UP THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN A LOT OF CASES, AND PLUS KEEP US ALL OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, UH, ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A WEEKLY BASIS THAT WE HAVE. SO ANYWAY, UH, WE DO THINK IT'S, IT'S TIMELY, UH, THAT WE, WE, WE LOOK AT IT AGAIN. UH, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PRESENTING TO THE MANAGER DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. THANK YOU, ROD. UM, HOW HAVE THESE THOROUGH FARERS BEEN TRACKED FOR PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN INJURIES OR DEATHS? NO, MA'AM. THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT. AND WE MENTIONED THAT AS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE CONNECTIVITY WITH OUR LOCAL NETWORK ROADWAY NETWORK, THIS IS WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE CONFLICTS. BUT IT'S FROM 1978, VISION ZERO DIDN'T EXIST IN 1978. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE THOROUGHFARE SYSTEM THROUGH THE LENS OF THE INFORMATION WE HAVE NOW. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF RESOURCES IN TERMS OF DATA, AIR, SAGE DATA TO, TO LOOK AT WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING AND WHERE THOSE CHOKE POINTS ARE IN OUR NETWORK. SO AT THE TIME THAT THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN DONE, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THE PAST MONTH OR SO AT OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE DONE IT SIMILAR TO OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVEN'T UPDATED THEIR PLANS PROBABLY THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAVE BEEN HERE IN TEXAS WHERE A LOT OF CITIES ARE UPDATING THERE. SO THIS IS THE, THE RIGHT TIME FOR US TO DO THIS. AND SO WITH THE ADMINISTRATION HAVING THE MEGA AND THE INFRA PROJECTS, WHICH ARE MAJOR TRANSFER TRANSFORMATIONAL CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR TRANSPORTATION, THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE MAY FIND THAT THERE IS A, A DISCRETIONARY GRANT OPPORTUNITY TO HELP FUND SOME ASPECTS OF THE PLANNING OR DESIGN, AND THOSE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BRING TO THIS BODY AS WELL. BUT REGARDLESS OF DISCRETIONARY GRANTS, IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO AS A CITY. AND I WANNA BE CLEAR, I DON'T JUST MEAN PEDESTRIANS ALSO OUR CYCLISTS. SO THE, UM, YES, THE DATA BEHIND THAT. UM, I ALSO THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO US TO HAVE PERIODIC BRIEFINGS, UM, AS THE UPDATE TO THIS TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE TO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO, UM, YES, PROVIDE OUR INPUT AS WELL. THANK YOU, TAMIKA. ANY YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCIL COMMENT, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. YES. ROD, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THE FLOODPLAINS HAVE CHANGED. UM, WE HAVE UPDATED, UH, TO ATLAS 14, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY IS STILL DEVELOPING UPDATED FLOOD MAPS, UM, FLOODPLAIN MAPS. DO YOU KNOW WHEN THOSE WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO INTEGRATE [00:50:01] INTO A REVISED M T P? I DO NOT, BUT WE WILL, UH, WE'LL CHECK WITH THEM AND FIND OUT. BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, IT IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING, BUT, UH, UH, AND, AND WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET AHEAD OF IT. IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO CHANGE. UH, BUT THIS THING HASN'T BEEN CHANGED IN 40 YEARS, SO THERE'S JUST SOME GAPING FLOODPLAINS THAT CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF WHERE WE HAVE THESE ROADWAYS THAT ARE GONNA GO, THAT ARE BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD. UM, OKAY. AND THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS IN OVERSIGHT, BUT I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE ADOPTED THE SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, THIS WAS BEFORE THE CAP, UH, AND WE ADOPTED, UH, SA TOMORROW, UH, SA TOMORROW CAME WITH A SUSTAINABILITY PLAN, BUT ALSO A TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE'VE, UM, I'VE NEVER GOTTEN AN UPDATE, UH, OR HAVEN'T SEEN AN UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRESS OF, OF THAT PLAN. SO, UM, IT JUST MAY BE WORTH, UH, REVISITING. SO THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. AND WE HAVEN'T, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER BUDGET ASK AS WELL, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS A PART OF THE ESSAY TOMORROW, OR THE SUSTAINABILITY OR YOU MEAN THE MICRO MOBILITY PLAN? NO, AS, AS A PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WAS IN THREE COMPONENTS. SO THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION PLAN. YEAH. SO WE JUST, WE, WE NEED TO DO UPDATES THE MULTIM TO THIS, WELL, EVEN BEFORE WE UPDATE THEM, I JUST, UM, IF IT AFFECTS THE M T P, THEN WE SHOULD, UH, MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION SO THAT THE M T P IS CONSISTENT WITH IT. AND, UM, AND YES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING ON THE GOALS THAT WERE SET OUT IN THAT PLAN. THANK YOU. AND SO WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR WAS BECAUSE OF THE FATALITIES AND INJURIES WE SET OUT TO FIRST DO THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN, BECAUSE THE MULTIMODAL PLAN THAT WAS A PART OF SA TOMORROW, AS WITH ALL OF THE PLANS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS, THEY WERE ALL PLANS AND THERE WERE NEVER ANY IMPLEMENTATION DOLLARS. AND SO WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE IN THIS PAST YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, IS YOU'VE ALLOCATED FUNDS TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THOSE PLANS. AND WE FOCUSED ON THOSE LOW HANGING FRUIT, WHICH WE FELT LIKE THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN WAS THE OLDEST AND HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED THAT THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN WAS THE PRIORITY TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP THAT PROTECTED NETWORK THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE. AND WE'VE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY, I BELIEVE, WITH THIS BODY WHERE WE SUGGESTED THAT THE MIC, THE MULTIMODAL PLAN, BE THE NEXT COMPONENT. SO WE'RE WORKING RIGHT NOW AS WE DO DEVELOP THE WORK THAT WE DO, LOOKING AT THE SA TOMORROW PLANS AND THE AREA PLANS, WHICH ALSO HAVE THE MOBILITY COMPONENT IN THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THOSE AS WE DO THE TRANSPORTATION STUDIES THAT WE DO, WHICH WILL BE THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN, AND THEN THE MULTIMODAL PLAN. SO IT'S, WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO BE STRATEGIC WITH OUR ALLOCATION OF OUR, OUR STAFF AND RESOURCES. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. COUNCILMAN PERRY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. UM, SO THIS MAJOR THOROUGH FOR FAIR PLAN, IT'S GONNA TAKE IN COMPONENTS OF ALL THE OTHER PLANS THAT WE HAVE. WHAT TAKES PRIORITY, WHAT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY PLAN THAT YOU'LL HAVE? LET'S SAY THIS IS COMPLETED. WHAT'S THE PECKING ORDER OF THE PLANS? THE PECKING ORDER FOR ME RIGHT NOW IS VISION ZERO AND THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN, I'D, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO LIST THAT OUT, ALL THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE, WHAT TAKES PRIORITY AND WORK IT ALL WHERE PEOPLE ARE DYING ONE THROUGH 10, WHERE PEOPLE ARE DYING. NUMBER ONE, RIGHT NOW, THE VISION ZERO ACTION PLAN, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING THOSE THINGS AND IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY COUNTERMEASURES THAT WE CAN INTEGRATE INTO WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY. THE FIRST PLAN THAT TAMIKA, I THINK HE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY OVERALL CITY. YEAH. I MEAN, WHERE DOES IT, WE START OUT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEN WE WORK OUR WAY DOWN WITH SUSTAINABILITY. GOTCHA. WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PECKING ORDER GOT OF ALL THESE PLANS? OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE GOT PLANS ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. WHERE, WHERE DOES THIS LIE? AND SO THAT'S, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT LAID OUT. OKAY. YEAH. I WOULD SAY THIS IS ONE OF THREE MAJOR PILLARS. YEAH. YEAH. UH, BUT YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, IF YOU COULD SHOW THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND IT WAS ADOPTED IN 78, BUT IF YOU, YOU'VE HAD A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS ON THIS THING, AND WHY ARE WE, AGAIN, TELL ME WHY ARE [00:55:01] WE GONNA TOTALLY REDO THIS PLAN VERSUS WHAT THE PAST APPROACH HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE AMENDMENTS? BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT IN POCKETS. AND SO WHAT YOU DO IN A POCKET IS GONNA REVERBERATE THROUGH THIS SYSTEM. AND SO THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN, IT'S LIKE REAL ESTATE. WE'RE CHASING THE MARKET. WE'RE NOT OUTLINING WHAT THE PRIORITY IS FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF OUR CONNECTIVITY TO OUR REGIONAL CENTERS. AND THOSE REGIONAL CENTERS REALLY ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE OF THE CITY. THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THAT IN TERMS OF THOSE THAT ARE ADOPTED AND WE'RE ACTIVE. IF YOU LOOK AT U T S A AND THE GROWTH THAT U T S A IS EXPERIENCING, THAT GROWTH IS GONNA SPREAD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE WITH THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEMS. AND SO IF WE DON'T IDENTIFY WHAT THE PRIORITY IS AND ALIGN AND ADDRESS WHERE FLOODPLAINS ARE AND WHETHER OR NOT WHAT THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS IN 1978, IF IT'S STILL RELEVANT IN 2022, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA FIND OURSELVES DOING IS SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY TO RESPOND TO DEVELOPER REQUESTS WHEN WE COULD HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE AND ACTUALLY LEAD THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NETWORK THAT WE CAN SUPPORT FINANCIALLY IN TERMS OF OUR BOND PROGRAM. IT'S GONNA BE A GUIDE TO US IN TERMS OF INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY. I THINK THE OTHER THING, COUNCILMAN, IS, UH, AS WE GO ALONG AND WE DO THIS PIECEMEAL, UH, YOU KNOW, MY BIG FEAR IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COME TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THE THOROUGHFARE WILL HAVE TO CROSS A OR SOME BIG GAPING FLOODPLAIN. AND I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BUILD THAT ROAD, UH, WHERE THAT MAY BE THE ONLY THOROUGHFARE THAT WE HAVE LEFT ON THIS PLAN TO GET US FROM EAST TO WEST OR NORTH TO SOUTH. SO, SO THAT'S THE BIG FEAR, IS THAT WE BACK OURSELVES IN THE CORNER WHERE WE HAVE NO WAY TO GET TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO IF WE CAN LOOK AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY AND LOOK AT ALL THOSE, UH, BARRIERS, IF YOU WILL, FLOODPLAINS, QUARRIES MM-HMM. , UH, UH, OTHER, YOU KNOW, GEOLOGICAL FEATURES ARE IN THE WAY, HECK THERE, I'VE COME ACROSS SOME THINGS IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUILDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF THIS LINE, UH, WHICH WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD THAT STREET. WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BUY THAT BUILDING. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS COMPREHENSIVELY TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD WAY TO GET TRAFFIC FROM EAST TO WEST AND NORTH TO SOUTH AND WHICHEVER DIRECTION. SO I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BIG FEAR HERE. IF, IF WE DON'T DO THIS COMPREHENSIVELY, WE'RE GONNA BACK OURSELVES IN A CORNER AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO REMOVE SOMETHING FROM THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET VEHICLES TO GET FROM, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DIRECTION TO THAT DIRECTION, WHICH IS JUST GONNA LEAD TO MORE CONGESTION. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY. OKAY. UH, I JUST HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. UH, SO IF I LOOK AT THAT MAP ON SLIDE THREE, THE, UH, THOROUGHFARE AMENDMENT MAP, UM, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE CAN REALLY PUT ANY OTHER MAJOR THOROUGHFARES IN THIS CITY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING OR WIDENING OR WHATEVER, BUT, UH, PUTTING ANOTHER THOROUGHFARE IN, I, I'D HAVE A HARD TIME VISUALIZING THAT WITH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY, SO NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. JUST MY, MY OWN OPINION ON THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT ADDING MAJOR THOROUGHFARES. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING, MAYBE EXTENDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR CONNECTING TO, BUT CERTAINLY NOT NEW MAJOR THOROUGHFARES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. CORRECT. IT COULD BE CHANGING THE TRAJECTORY OF ONE OF THESE SO THAT YOU AVOID, UH, A FLOOD PLAN, YOU AVOID A QUARRY OR, YOU KNOW, YOU AVOID A, A BUILDING. UH, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ENVISIONED THIS, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, THAT LINE MADE A LOT OF SENSE, BUT NOW WE HAVE TWO THOROUGHFARES TO THE EAST AND THE WEST OF IT WHERE MAYBE WE DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE. MAYBE THAT THOROUGHFARE COULD COME OFF. SO WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GO IN THERE AND LOOK AT IT. YEP. ALRIGHT. BUT A MILLION DOLLARS. REALLY A MILLION. WELL, JUST TO GIVE YOU A COST ESTIMATE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE HAD PROBABLY THREE AMENDMENTS. 'CAUSE WE'VE COME TO THIS BODY, I BELIEVE WITH TWO, WITH TWO IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR, OR LATE LAST YEAR. THE ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED WAS APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO LOOK AT THE KELLY PARKWAY MAN. SO WHEN WE TOOK THAT AND SAID, AND WE ANTICIPATED THAT IT WOULD BE COSTLY, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO LOOK AT ONE PORTION OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. BUT BASED ON THE NEGOTIATED RATES WITH THE ON-CALL CONSULTANT THAT WE HAD FOR THAT LOOKED AT FOR THAT TASK, THAT'S HOW WE CAME WITH A MILLION DOLLARS. YEAH. WELL. SO [01:00:01] I THINK THAT'S WAY OVERBOARD, BUT THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION. AGAIN, MAYBE WE NEED TO GO OUT WITH AN R F P SOME KIND OF WAY. WE WOULD. YES, SIR. OKAY, GOOD. WE WOULD GO OUT WITH AN R F P. GOOD. GOOD. GREAT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. MA'AM, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PERRY. COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, SO BY 2013, WE ANTICIPATE EVERY SA TOMORROW PLAN BEING ADOPTED. CORRECT? IS THAT, DID YOU SAY 2013? 2023. UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN WHEN ALL OF THE SA TOMORROW PLANS ARE SCHEDULED TO BE, TO COME TO COUNCIL AND BE ADOPTED. WE CAN FIND OUT, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. I I, I'M, I'M ASKING PRIMARILY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW EACH OF THESE PLANS, UH, RUN PARALLEL TO ONGOING, UH, ESSAY TOMORROW PLANS AS WELL AS ONGOING CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH VIA AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE EAST TO WEST, UH, CORRIDOR. HOW WOULD THAT RUN PARALLEL, UM, TO THESE AMENDMENTS, OR WOULD IT BE SO, AND THAT'S PART, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT WE NEED TO INTEGRATE ALL OF THESE RECENT TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVES INTO THE CONVERSATION WITH THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO SEE WHERE THAT CONNECTIVITY COMES IN AND WHAT IS PRIORITIZED BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND WE J I HONESTLY COULDN'T TELL YOU STANDING HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY PLANS AND THAT'S WHY WE COORDINATE WITH VIA TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE LONG RANGE VISION, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH BETTER BUS, WITH THE ART PROJECT, WITH VIA LINK WHERE THOSE PRIORITY AREAS, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN BETTER COORDINATE AND PLAN WHERE OUR RESOURCES GO IN TERMS OF THE BIKE NETWORK AND ALSO IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR MODAL PRIORITIES ARE. IF WE'RE FLYING LIKE THE JETSONS IN 2026, YOU KNOW, DO WE STILL NEED THIS PORTION OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLANS? WE JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AND, AND APPLY OVERLAY ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND PLANS WITH THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO SEE WHAT STILL MAKES SENSE. MM-HMM. , THANK YOU. WHEN, UH, ORIGINALLY READING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND SEEING THE INTEGRATION OF EACH OF THESE PLANS, UM, WHAT CAME TO MIND IS, UH, DEREK ON OUR TEAM'S REALLY GOOD WITH MAPS AND G I S AND OVERLAYING AND, UM, SEEING THAT, OR LEARNING RATHER THAT IT'S ROUGHLY 750,000 TO $1.2 MILLION FOR THIS PLAN. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT EACH INDIVIDUAL POTENTIAL AMENDMENT WOULD COST? WELL, JUST THE KELLY PARKWAY AMENDMENT, SO THAT ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED, JUST A ORDER OF MAGNITUDE WAS ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION. AND SO THAT'S JUST A SMALL PORTION OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. AND THAT IS WHY LOOKING AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO JUST LOOK AT ONE LITTLE SMALL QUADRANT, NOT EVEN A FULL QUADRANT OF THE CITY, WE NEED TO COALESCE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE EXISTING PLANS THAT WAS NEVER ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO WE NEED TO TAKE ALL OF THAT DATA AND INPUT IT TO MAKE SURE AND SEE WHERE THOSE HOTSPOTS ARE IN TERMS OF THE CONNECTIVITY OR THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, I THINK YOU, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, THOUGH IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE LIKE THOSE, UH, ESTIMATIONS PER AMENDMENT, UH, VERSUS THE 1.2 MILLION. UM, JUST TO HAVE A GENERAL IDEA WITH EACH PLAN AND INTEGRATION, HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO SEE, HOW IT WOULD COST WELL OVER THE 1.2 MILLION, SO THIS IS JUST THE ONE THAT WE'VE REQUESTED. THE QUARTER OF A MILLION ESTIMATE WAS JUST FOR ONE SMALL AMENDMENT. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE DEPARTMENT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. BECAUSE OUR FIRST APPROACH WAS TO, OKAY, WELL WE'RE DOING ALL THIS IN THIS PART OF THE CITY, LET'S TAKE A LOOK OF UPDATING THE M T P AT JUSTICE QUADRANT. AND THEN WE HAD MORE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, WELL, ALL THIS IS GOING ON IN THIS CITY AND THIS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 78. SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER ESTIMATES THAT HAVE COME FORTH BASED ON ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DOING AN UPDATE OF IT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND TAMIKA, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE VERY SMALL AMENDMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HARDLY EVER SEEK A CONSULTANT TO DO ANY OF THIS WORK. MOST OF IT'S DONE BY STAFF IN-HOUSE AND, AND A LOT OF IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN ALIGNMENT, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE ROAD OVER HERE. UH, BUT IT IS A, IT, IT IS A, UH, TIME CONSUMING PROCESS. YEAH. IT CONSUMES A LOT OF STAFF HOURS TO REVIEW THIS, UH, NOT ONLY WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, WITH TRANSPORTATION, WITH PUBLIC WORKS, WITH SAWS, WITH OTHER FOLKS TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF MOVING THIS STREET OVER HERE. SO IT DOES TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME. IT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT GOES TO [01:05:01] THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR REVIEW, AND THEN IT FINALLY COMES TO COUNCIL FOR, UH, FOR A FULL AMENDMENT. SO, UH, IT'S PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, RIGHT? THERE'S PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, THERE'S PLENTY, THERE'S PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S A LOT OF TIME INVOLVED WHENEVER YOU, YOU JUST MOVE A ROAD OVER, UH, OR YOU ELIMINATE A ROAD. UM, BUT IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO PUT A, A PRICE TAG TO THAT 'CAUSE IT JUST DEPENDS. UH, YOU GOT SMALL LITTLE THOROUGHFARES AND THEN LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAMIKA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE KELLY PARKWAY, WHICH RUNS FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, PORT SA DOWN TO THE SOUTH BY TOYOTA. YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS, UH, TO HAVE SOMEONE HELP US FIGURE THAT OUT. UH, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A COUPLE THOUSAND, SO IT'S KINDA HARD TO DO. BUT, BUT THE BIG DEAL IS, IS THAT THE STAFF TIME AND, AND COUNCIL TIME AND, UH, COMMISSION TIME AND, AND KIND OF DOES, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT DOESN'T. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT STAFF CAPACITY IN THE BACKLOG, IT MAY POTENTIALLY CAUSE FOR OTHER PROJECTS AND, UH, D S D PROJECTS. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT ITEM? OKAY, WELL ACTUALLY, UM, , THAT'S A, THAT'S, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THESE IMPORTANT ITEMS TODAY. WITH THAT SAID, MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.