* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] AND I KNOW WE SAID WE WERE WAITING ON ONE MORE, BUT WE DO HAVE SIX. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN, MR. CHAIR, WE CAN GET STARTED. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 20TH, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. FISH HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ HERE. MORALES IS ABSENT. ZUKA IS ABSENT. CARPENTER'S ABSENT. GROVE IS RUNNING LATE. HERE. IS ABSENT. AND FETZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE MEETING, UH, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE DO HAVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE NEEDING THESE SERVICES. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO APPROACH THE INTERPRETER'S CABIN LOCATED WHERE THE RED CURTAINS ARE NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE. THANK YOU. WE CAN HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT. YES. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED, LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY IN A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PA PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS. ALL THOSE ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE, SHOUTING, VERBAL INTIMIDATION OR PHYSICAL ACTIONS THAT COULD REASONABLY CON BE CONSTRUED AS THREATENING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. OKAY, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA. UM, THE FIRST IS WE HAVE A WORKDAY COMING UP, UM, IN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AT EIGHT 30 DAWSON. UM, THIS IS A HOMEOWNER IN NEED THAT'S BEEN A, A LONG-TERM HOMEOWNER IN THE DISTRICT, MORE THAN 65 YEARS. UM, AND IT'S A REALLY GREAT HOUSE. AND SO, UH, WE'LL BE ASSISTING HER WITH SOME EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR, UM, INCLUDING, UH, KIND OF, UH, PAINTING, UM, REPLACEMENT OF, OF SIDING AND TRIM AND, UH, FOUNDATION SKIRTING COLUMN REPLACEMENT WINDOW SCREENS. UM, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO DOING A FEW MORE PROJECTS THERE IN THE FUTURE. PROBABLY A WINDOW WORKSHOP AS WELL. UM, SO ANYBODY CAN SIGN UP TO PARTICIPATE. UM, IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANT TO KIND OF REACH [00:05:01] OUT AND HELP A NEIGHBOR. UM, THAT REGISTRATION AND SIGNUP IS@SASPEAKUP.COM. UM, AND JUST SEARCH FOR O H P AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND IT. UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, MAY IS ALSO COMING UP AROUND THE CORNER, AND THAT IS PRESERVATION MONTH, UM, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO AS WELL AS NATIONALLY. UM, SO IN SAN ANTONIO, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW EVENTS ON THE CALENDAR. UM, THERE WILL BE A WEBSITE THAT'S LAUNCHED HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, UH, WITH THE FULL LISTING OF EVENTS. UM, THE SORT OF, UH, PREMIER EVENT IS OUR HISTORIC HOMEOWNER AFFAIR THAT'S TAKING PLACE ON, I'M ABOUT TO GET THE DATE WRONG, MAY 7TH. UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE SATURDAY, MAY 7TH, UH, FROM 10 30 TO ANYONE. NO, 3:00 PM AND THAT'S GONNA BE AT TRIPOINT. UM, SO THAT INFORMATION'S ON OUR WEBSITE NOW. I'M JUST GO TO OUR HOMEPAGE, CLICK ON THE HOMEOWNER FAIR. UM, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO PARTICIPATE, UM, TO SIGN UP FOR, UH, EMAIL ALERTS AS WELL AS, UH, THERE'S STILL TIME TO SIGN UP TO BE A SPONSOR, UM, OR A BOOTH EXHIBITOR IF, IF YOU WANT. UM, SO THAT'S A, A GREAT EVENT, GOOD RESOURCE FOR ANYONE, UM, IN AN OLDER HOME, NOT JUST FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, BUT ANYBODY, UM, WANTING TO FIND RESOURCES AND EXPERTS, UH, TO HELP THEM MAINTAIN AND CARE FOR THEIR PROPERTIES. UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE AGENDA, WE DO HAVE ACTION NEEDED ON [Approval of Minutes] H C R C, MINI MEETING MINUTES FROM APRIL 2ND. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? DEAR CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. A SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. OH AND GROUP AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, ON THE SCREEN WE [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] HAVE OUR CASE LIST FOR TODAY. UM, A COUPLE OF NOTES. WE DO HAVE AN ITEM THAT WAS POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. THAT'S ITEM SEVEN. UM, IT'S RIGHT AWAY AT HOWARD IN WEST SATCH. SO THAT WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE ALSO WILL BE HEARING ITEM NUMBER EIGHT INDIVIDUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS THE STIPULATIONS. AND SO THAT LEADS US WITH THE REMAINDER ON CONSENT TO DEAL WITH AT THIS TIME IT'S ONE THROUGH SIX AND EIGHT AND NINE. UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS THAT RECEIPT FOR THOSE ITEMS STARTING WITH NUMBER TWO. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH DIGA WHITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH ONE 18 LOCATED AT 5 0 8 NORTH OLIVE. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH CALLS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ONLY ONE SET OF RIBBON STRIPS ARE INSTALLED AND THAT THEY ARE ALIGNED WITH THE CURB CUT AND DRIVEWAY APRON. WE ARE ALSO REQUESTING THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE DEEP ENOUGH TO ALLOW ANY PARKED CARS TO NOT IMPEDE THE SIDEWALK RIGHT OF WAY. THANK YOU. ITEM FOUR. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIGA WHITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 26 LOCATED AT 7 25 BURLESON. WE AGREE WITH O H P STIPULATIONS WITH ONE CONCERN ACCORDING TO YOUR COMMENTS LISTED BELOW AND FOUND IN FINDING SECTION LETTER B ABOUT THE 1912 SANDBORN MAP. WILL THE APPLICANTS BE ADDING A FULL WIDTH REAR PORCH TO TAKE IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL DESIGN? WE DON'T SEE A REAR PORCH ON THE BACK ELEVATIONS. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CALL OUT THE DEVELOPERS OF THIS PROJECT AND COMMEND THEM FOR WANTING TO REPLACE THE CURRENT ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS. THANK YOU. AFTER HEARING COMMENTS, UH, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? I WOULD LIKE TO POLL NUMBER 4 7 25 BURLESON. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE THROUGH THREE, ITEM FIVE AND SIX, EIGHT AND NINE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. I SECOND THE MOTION. SO ITEM EIGHT WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY. YEP. SORRY, I'LL REPEAT, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM ONE THROUGH 3, 5, 6, AND ITEM NUMBER NINE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS [00:10:02] AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 39 0 3 NORTH ST. MARY'S, 5 0 8 NORTH OLIVE, VERIZON, AND C P SS DOWNTOWN STREETLIGHT POLLS 1 0 6 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, ONE 15 WEST MAGNOLIA 9 24 EAST GRAYSON, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU ALL. NOW HERE, CASE NUMBER FOUR, CAN I'VE MADE THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. WALKER AVAILABLE JUST FOR STAFF FOR THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. WE CAN'T OPEN IT. YEAH, WE'LL TRY TO BRING THE THUMB DRIVE AROUND AND SEE IF WE CAN RELOAD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'VE PULLED ITEM FOUR UP ON THE SCREEN. UH, IS THE APPLICANT MR. WALKER, THERE YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE MR. WALKER. KURT WALKER. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. YES. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE HEAR YOU NOW. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN ONE, I GUESS CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF REGARDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERN ABOUT A REAR PORCH NOT BEING REINSTATED. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S COVERED BY THE GUIDELINES OR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR HOW IS THAT CONSIDERED BY YOU? UH, I'LL PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO THAT. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I'VE GOT A NOTE PULLED UP. UH, SO THE NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION WITH ANOTHER REAR ADDITION, UH, THE INFO ABOUT THE SANDBORN MAP WAS JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION WAS IN FACT AN ADDITION AND NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, SO OUR, BECAUSE IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT OR A GUIDELINE THAT SAYS THAT A REAR PORCH MUST BE PUT ONTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? THERE IS NOT. THERE IS NOT. OKAY. UM, MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS, IN OUR PROPOSED PLAN WE SEE A FIREPLACE. UM, IS THAT, AND TYPICALLY WE DON'T LOOK AT INTERIOR WORK, BUT BECAUSE THIS COULD HAVE AN EXTERIOR OUTCOME LIKE A FLUE MM-HMM. OR VENT OR A CHIMNEY, I'M WONDERING WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE FOR THAT. YEAH, SO, UM, IT WILL BE A, UM, NOT A FULL MASONRY FIREPLACE. IT WILL BE A KIND OF THE MODERN FIREBOX TYPE AND IT WOULD HAVE A CHIMNEY THAT, UM, EXITS OUT THE TOP. UM, WE COULD EXIT OUT THE SIDE, BUT IT WOULD BE VERY UNATTRACTIVE. AND THE, AND THE HOUSE IS VERY CLOSE ON THAT ONE SIDE AS WELL. UM, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE FULLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU, I, I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID. OH, THE, ANY KIND OF CHIMNEY, FLU OR SURROUND OF THAT FLU THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET ON THE EXTERIOR NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED? CORRECT. AND, AND WE WOULD, UM, JUST AS WE WOULD, ANY OTHER TYPE OF MODIFICATION WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT BE IN A LOCATION THAT'S NOT MODIFYING AN ORIGINAL ROOF FORM, AT LEAST A PROMINENT STREET FACING ROOF FORM. UH, SO, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE REAR ROOF SLOPE OR NOT VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY IN THAT FIREPLACE LOCATION, IT, IT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, THE WAY THE ROOF LINES WORK. SO, MR. WALKER, ARE YOU PROPOSING A BRICK CHIMNEY THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE ON THE OUTSIDE OR MORE LIKE [00:15:01] A METAL FLUE WITH A, JUST A METAL CAP? UH, MORE LIKE A METAL FLUE. 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A, A SUPPORT FOR A MASON RESTRUCTURE THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT, UH, THE ITEM BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES, YES. AND VA? YES. MOTION PASSES. ITEM EIGHT ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 0 2 2 21 VANCE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 437 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND 160 SQUARE FOOT SCREENED PORCH. STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 437 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND 160 SQUARE FOOT SCREENED PORCH WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE MATERIALS SUBMITTED FOR VINYL APPROVAL INCLUDE A FULL SITE PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS THAT INCLUDE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW PROFILES FOR THE SMALLER FIXED WINDOWS THAT HAVE MORE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND OPERABLE SASHES AND THAT PROPOSED WINDOWS. OTHERWISE MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOOR OR A GARAGE DOOR WITH A DESIGN THAT MIMICS WOOD, MIMICS WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FEATURES A SMOOTH FINISH WITHOUT A FULL GRAIN WOOD TEXTURE. FINAL GARAGE DOOR SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR A RE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UH, AND THE OWNER, SCOTT MARTIN IS ON THE LINE. HI EVERYONE. HI SCOTT. HI. SO THERE WAS SOME, UM, DEBATE ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE BACK OF THE STRUCTURE THAT FACE THE, UH, THE, THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THERE. UM, AND WE, WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES THAT ARE DONE THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO WE JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD REVIEW THAT. UM, THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THIS IS A ARTIST STUDIO AND, AND THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHERN LIGHT THAT COMES IN. SO PART OF THE GOAL HERE IS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE GOOD LIGHT IN THE SPACE, BUT WE ALSO WANT, UM, TO HAVE PRIVACY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT WITH NEIGHBORS. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO, TO HAVE PRIVACY AND, AND WE ALSO WANT THE SPACE TO BE SECURE. SO THAT'S, UH, THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WENT BEHIND THOSE, THOSE HORIZONTAL WINDOWS AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. JESSICA, DO YOU HAVE THE PHOTOS OF OTHER EXAMPLES? I SURE DO. HOLD ON ONE MOMENT. YEAH. SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A, A BUILDING A FEW BLOCKS AWAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S A BACK HOUSE, UH, AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ON BARRERA STREET. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY LIKE THE STRUCTURE WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN AND THE METAL ROOF AND EVERYTHING. I THINK THE PROPORTIONS OF THIS WINDOW AREN'T, AREN'T QUITE WHAT WE WOULD DO, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME THING WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. I THINK IT'S NICELY DONE, SCOTT. IF YOU WANNA JUST SAY, NEXT PHOTO. I HAVE THESE UPLOADED IN ORDER THAT YOU SENT THEM TO ME. OKAY. YEAH. NEXT PHOTO. SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A NEW CONSTRUCTION ON LABOR STREET. UM, NICK'S PHOTO, HERE'S A, A, A BACKYARD STRUCTURE THAT WE REALLY LIKE THAT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. UM, AND YOU'LL NOTE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO THERE'S A DOOR AND THOSE THREE, UM, THOSE THREE WINDOWS TO THE LEFT OF THE DOOR, YOU KNOW, THAT'S VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. UM, AND I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY TASTEFULLY DONE. WE, WE REALLY, UM, [00:20:01] ARE THINKING ABOUT EMULATING THIS STRUCTURE HERE. NEXT PHOTO. UM, HERE'S ANOTHER, UH, BUILDING THAT USES THE TALL HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ON RERA STREET. AND NEXT PHOTO, UH, HERE'S ANOTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING. UM, LET'S SEE, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALSO RERA STREET. UM, SO THAT'S IT. THE, JUST A COUPLE PHOTOS OF, OF EXAMPLES, UH, OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT, UH, UTILIZE THOSE LONG HORIZONTAL WINDOWS. YOU KNOW, UH, LIGHT PRIVACY AND SECURITY ARE THE, ARE THE THREE MAIN CONCERNS THERE FOR US. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. UM, I WANNA FIND A PLACE TO USE THIS MIC 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOT A RING TO IT. UM, I, I, I WANNA, UH, SEE IF I MIGHT FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRESENTATION, OBVIOUSLY IT'S BEFORE US IN THE DRAWINGS, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY THIS APPLICANT. UM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MAYBE TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE AS WE LOOK AT THE, AT THE, UM, I GUESS THE DRAWING THAT, THAT THE STAFF HAS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS A GOOD ONE. THE MIDDLE, THE MIDDLE, UH, PERSPECTIVE. UH, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HOW THE HORIZONTAL WINDOW IS INTRODUCED INTO OUR VOCABULARY AS A WHOLE WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, THE UTILITY OF, OF SUCH A WINDOW. BUT, BUT ALSO, UH, HOW, HOW MUCH MORE SUBORDINATE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA SAY A VISITING, UM, ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW, HE'S SHOWN SOME EXAMPLES THAT MOST DEFINITELY SHOW IT WITHIN THE PROPER CONTEXT. BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THOSE EXAMPLES ARE ALMOST LESS, UH, VALID BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LESS SUBORDINATE. BUT THIS SITUATION REALLY GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, UH, WE KNOW THAT, THAT THIS, THAT THIS, UH, CONFIGURATION OF WINDOWS SHOWS UP WHEN PEOPLE WANNA, UH, SHOW HOW THEY NEED PRIVACY IN THEIR RESTROOMS OR, OR, OR LIKE ENVIRONMENTS. IN THIS CASE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT IT WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT'S NOT POLICED PROBABLY VERY WELL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, RAISING THAT WINDOW ENABLES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, AT AT LEAST THE, I GUESS THE MORE EMOTIONAL EXPERIENTIAL, UH, SECURITY. 'CAUSE STILL SOMEBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, STAND ON SOMEBODY'S BACK AND CLIMB IN THAT WINDOW, RIGHT? IN REALITY. BUT IT STILL OFFERS THAT KIND OF, THAT, THAT, THAT VISUAL, UM, UH, CONTROL, RIGHT? UM, UH, BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, THAT THERE, THAT THERE MOST DEFINITELY HAS TO BE A PLACE WHERE A WINDOW DONE RIGHT IN, IN A FORM, IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF, OF, OF, LET'S SAY THE STREET SCAPE OR WHAT THE GENERAL EXPERIENCE IS THAT JUST ON ITS OWN MERIT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT'S WELL BALANCED, THE DESIGN IS WELL DONE, THAT, UH, THE, THERE'S AN INTENTION INTENTIONALITY WITH RESPECT TO THE PLACEMENT OF THESE WINDOWS. I THINK THIS IS A SITUATION THAT ENABLES US TO ACCEPT THIS NOT BASED ON A PREVAILING, UH, OR, OR EXISTING, UH, ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE, BUT, BUT THIS IN ITSELF AS AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO UTILIZE, UH, THIS, UM, UH, THIS PARTICULAR WINDOW CONFIGURATION. SO I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTING IT, BUT I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT, WHAT I'M HOPING THAT, THAT WE CAN DO IS, IS AT THE SAME TIME ALLOW OURSELVES TO DISCOVER THOSE PLACES WHERE THIS CONFIGURATION IS, IS ACCEPTABLE. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT, UM, HOW THESE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE MULLED TOGETHER. WHAT IS THE DIMENSION, UH, BETWEEN, ON THE VERTICAL PIECE BETWEEN THE WINDOWS? UM, Y YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST AT THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE HERE. UM, WE HAVEN'T, UM, PUT ANY DETAIL TO ANY OF THIS YET. SO LET ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. YOU SHOWED A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. SOME I, I WANNA FIRST SAY, YOU KNOW, NON HISTORIC EXAMPLES DON'T REALLY SERVE AS PRECEDENT. AND I THINK A COUPLE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU SHOWED ARE MORE APPROPRIATE THAN OTHERS, PARTICULARLY THE THIRD ONE, I THINK THE YELLOW HOUSE, IF STAFF COULD PUT THAT ONE BACK UP ON THE SCREEN. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT SHOWED THREE GANGED WINDOWS. YES. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS IS A MORE APPROPRIATE CONFIGURATION OF HOW THE WINDOWS ARE MOLD IS IT, IT DOESN'T CREATE, UH, A BROAD [00:25:01] HORIZONTAL FENESTRATION, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE ELEVATION LIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS. AND I THINK THE MULIAN CAN GO A LONG WAY IN, UH, MANAGING THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS. SO I GENERALLY SUPPORT THE CONFIGURATION, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED ON AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND FACING THE REAR. BUT I WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THOSE WINDOWS ARE MOLD IN A WAY THAT THAT SHOWS THREE INDIVIDUALLY, THREE INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS, RATHER THAN ONE LONG HORIZONTAL GESTURE. HMM. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL HAND IT BACK OVER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU, MR. CHAIR. I, I THINK I, COMMISSIONER FISH HAS A POINT AND ALSO, UH, I WAS HOPING THAT HE ALSO WAS GONNA MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT. AND IN LA BACA WE DO FIND SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY, UM, CORRELATE TO THE REST OF, YOU KNOW, JUST IN GENERAL GUIDELINES OR, UH, ALL OF HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT LA BACA SPECIFICALLY, AND THAT'S WHY THOSE EXAMPLES ARE FOUND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO MAYBE COMMISSIONER FISH WILL ADD THAT STIPULATION THAT WE NEED FINAL, UH, YOU KNOW, SIZES AND PROFILES. AND, UM, AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THAT AS WELL. I, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH ALSO HAS LIKE, UM, A CONFIGURATION THAT'S KIND OF, UH, DIFFERENT SIZES, TWO WINDOWS NEXT TO EACH OTHER. THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIZES. IF, IF MR. MARTIN, YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE WINDOW, LIKE THE GABLE WINDOW? YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EARLIER DRAWING THAT WE'VE SINCE MODIFIED THE, THE, THE LATEST DRAWING OF THE ARCHITECT SUGGESTED A, A, A SMALL, UH, OPERABLE WINDOW THERE. UM, SO MY APOLOGIES THAT, UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DRAWING. I DON'T HAVE THAT DRAWING ON ME TODAY. SO BASICALLY CONCEPTUALLY, THAT TYPE OF WINDOW, YES, WE WOULD MAYBE SUPPORT, BUT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL, RIGHT? SURE. YEAH, I AGREE. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO LARGE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH, I WOULD ADD TO THE, TO THE LITTLE RABBIT HOLE WE'RE GOING DOWN IS THAT YOU HAVE A TEMPLATE ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE WITH THE WINDOW FACING THE REAR. THAT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD GUIDELINE AS TO HOW YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT FOUR PANE WINDOW THERE, THAT GIVES, RIGHT, THAT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD GUIDELINE. YOU, UH, WITH THE THREE WINDOWS ON THE, UH, ADDITION YOU WANNA DO. I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU USE THAT AS A TEMPLATE, NOW, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T BE THE SAME SIZE, IT CAN'T BE, BUT IT GIVES YOU SCALING RATIOS, UM, WHAT I THINK. GOOD POINT. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YES, THANK YOU. UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS. I KNOW THIS HAS NOT BEEN, UH, POINTED OUT INTO THE, IN THE REVIEW, BUT AS YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS AND PLANNING THE OTHER END, THE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THIS MASTER PLAN DO KEEP AN EYE TO IMPERVIOUS COVER LOOKS LIKE, UH, BY THE TIME WE HAD PATIOS, POOLS, DECKS, AND NEW BUILDINGS WHERE, UM, COULD BE LEFT WITH A DRAINAGE ISSUE. UM, I THINK THE COMMENTS MADE BY, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH ARE, ARE VERY GOOD. AND I WOULD, UM, I THINK AS A SECONDARY OR ACCESSORY BUILDING, UM, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. ONE THING THAT WILL HELP, UM, TAKE IT TO THE FINISH LINE IS IF YOU CONTINUE USING THE BOARD AND BAT AND SIDING, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT REALLY, UM, ALSO, UM, INDICATES THIS STRUCTURE AS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING MAKES IT CONVINCING. SO THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. UM, I, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO AND, AND, AND I'M, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE, UM, THERE'S A REQUEST TO ALTER THE MOTION, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE FOR CONCEPTUAL AS PRESENTED. AND IF THERE'S A SECOND, THEN I'D LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO THE MOTION. WHAT ABOUT STIPULATION ONE AND THREE? WOULD YOU NOT KEEP THAT IN THE STIPULATION IN THE MOTION? APPLICANT ACTUALLY ALREADY, UH, AGREED TO STIPULATION THREE. AND, AND TO JUST TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I'M AS, AS, UM, COMPLETE. I, I'M IN, IN LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, TO THE, TO THE, UM, THE IMAGE THAT WAS THE ONE EX AXONOMETRIC, I GUESS A HOLE, THIS ONE THERE, THERE'S A QUITE A, QUITE A BIT OF INTENTIONALITY IN WHAT IS PRESENTED, AND I APPRECIATE THE BALANCE OF THE THIN LINES, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, UM, [00:30:02] THE INTERPRETATION OF THE OLD, OF THE NEW BY THE OLD, WHEN THERE'S, THERE'S A CLEAR, UM, UH, A GOOD BALANCED REASON FOR WHY WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO US IS BEING PRESENTED IN THE WAY THAT IT IS. SO WHERE, WHERE THE APPLICANT OWNER MAY NOT HAVE THE, THE SAME LANGUAGE OR SENSITIVITY AS MAYBE THE DESIGNER. WHAT, WHAT I'M TAKING FROM, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND FROM THE OTHER DRAWINGS AS WELL, IS THAT THE PERSON THAT'S PRESENTING IT AS THE AUTHOR OF THE DESIGN KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING, UH, OFFERED TO, UH, THE APPLICANT AND TO, TO THE COMMISSION. SO I, I WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, ASK, UH, A SECOND, UH, IN THE SPIRIT OF RESPECTING THE, THE DESIGN INTENT AND THAT IT IS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF, OF, UH, OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE WOULD BE, WHAT WE SHOULD BE EXPECTING OR WHAT I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S JUST CLEARLY WITHIN ITS OWN LANGUAGE, IT'S BALANCED WITH, ITS WITHIN ITS OWN LANGUAGE AND IT'S COMPLIMENTARY, YET NOT A FACSIMILE OF THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY AS PRESENTED WITH, OF COURSE, WHATEVER HAS BEEN AGREED UPON WITH THE, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH STAFF AND THE STIPULATIONS. BUT WHEN WE GET TO NUMBER TWO WITH THE WINDOWS, I, I WOULD THINK TO GIVE THE, THE ARCHITECT THE LICENSE TO, TO, TO, UM, CONTRIBUTE HIS, HIS OR HER OWN, UM, A STATEMENT TO THE, THE, THE OBVIOUSLY HISTORIC STATEMENT THAT THIS IS NOT. OKAY. SO IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS PRESENTED, AND A NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED WITH STAFF STIPULATION NUMBER THREE AND, AND ONE ONE. MM-HMM. , UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? SO THE MOTION IS YES, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND THREE, BUT WITH TWO AS SUBMITTED, AND, AND THAT'S I GUESS THE CONFUSION BECAUSE IF THE APPLICANT HAS ACCEPTED THEM, IT'S OKAY TO LEAVE THEM IN THERE. WELL, WELL, I, I THINK THAT THAT WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT I WANTED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN PARTICULAR HEARING COMMISSIONER, UH, FISH, UH, AS WELL, I'M RESPECTFUL OF WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH IS SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF TWO WITH RESPECT TO THAT, THAT THAT FORM OF, OF THOUGHT. BUT, BUT I'M, BUT THE MOTION IS SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT THAT TWO IS, IS, UH, KIND OF, UH, SECONDARY TO WHAT THE DESIGNER'S INTENT IS. AND THE DESIGNER'S INTENT IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, IN THE PAGE. SO THE THIN LINES VERSUS THE WIDE LINES, THE, THE SHADOW LINES AS PRESENTED AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE MORE HISTORIC SHADOW LINE WOULD BE. UM, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT THAT, THAT IT'S VERY SUBORDINATED ABOUT AS SUBORDINATE AS YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IN THE, IN, IN, IN THE, THE 2022 STATEMENT IS CLEARLY NOT THE 19 BUT 30 STATEMENT, RIGHT? YES. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE DIFFERENT. BALANCED, RESPECTFUL. UM, AND I SAY THAT ALSO THAT KNOWING THAT COMMISSIONER OF FISHER'S PHILOSOPHY WITH RESPECT TO HIS COMMENTS AND MY COMMENTS, WE COULD SIT DOWN AND HAVE BEERS AND DRINK ALL NIGHT LONG AND NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT. AND IT'S NOT RIGHT OR WRONG. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MR. MARTIN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD HERE? UM, NO, I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. KNOWING THAT THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WILL BE COMING FROM YOUR, UH, YOU AND YOUR ARCHITECT. AND WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS WHEN YOU GET THAT, UH, SUBMITTAL. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH, NA, LET SAVINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FED. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. DO WE HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER HERE FOR THIS ONE? I DON'T THINK WE DO. UM, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT. WE REACHED OUT TO THE OWNER BY EMAIL AND PHONE AND HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE. OKAY. IS YOUR LETTER FILE, NICK, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES. UM, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN, UH, HOW YOU REPRESENT THE APPLICANT FOR THIS CASE. [00:35:01] SURE. SO, UM, DARRELL, UH, ELLEN BUSH, UH, IS THE APPLICANT AND, UH, REQUESTED THAT I STAND IN HIS PR UH, IN, IN HIS ABSENCE TODAY. UM, UH, HE WANTED ME TO RE REITERATE THE, UH, THE, THE THREE POINTS THAT HE MADE, UM, IN HIS APPLICATION FOR, UM, LANDMARK DESIGNATION STATUS, UM, OF, UH, OF, OF THIS, UM, AUTOMOBILE, UM, WORKSHOP. UM, AND, UH, THE, UH, THE FIRST, UH, IS THAT, UM, YEAH, SO UNDER, UH, DESIGNATION CRITERIA FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARKS PER SAN ANTONIO U D C, THE STRUCTURE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION FOR THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. ITS VALUE AS A VISIBLE OR ARCHEOLOGICAL REMINDER OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF THE COMMUNITY. AS AN EARLY AND SURVIVING EXAMPLE OF AUTOMOBILE REPAIR STRUCTURES ON SOUTH ST. MARY'S, THE STRUCTURE IS A VISIBLE REMINDER OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF THE COMMUNITY. UH, ANOTHER POINT WAS ITS EMBODIMENT OF DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS AS AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE VALUABLE TO THE STUDY OF A PERIOD TYPE METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION, ET CETERA. THE STRUCTURE IS LOAD-BEARING BRICK MASONRY WITH SCISSOR TRUSS ROOF CONSTRUCTION, AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FRONT OPENINGS THAT APPARENTLY, UH, HAVE BEEN FILLED WITH, UH, LATER CONCRETE BLOCK, UM, IS COMPLETELY INTACT. UM, THE NEXT, UM, CRITERIA WAS ITS HISTORICAL OR ARCHITECTURAL OR CULTURAL CHARACTER AS PARTICULARLY FINE OR UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF UTILITARIAN STRUCTURE. AS MENTIONED ABOVE, THE STRUCTURE IS INTACT AND ALSO CONTRIBUTES TO THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE OVERALL AREA ASSOCIATED WITH EARLY 20TH CENTURY AUTOMOBILE SERVICES. IN PARTICULAR, IT'S CO UH, IT COMPLIMENTS THE MANY LANDMARK LANDMARKED EARLY 20TH CENTURY GAS STATIONS ALONG SOUTH ST. MARY'S AND SOUTH PRESA STREET AND COMMISSION. JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS ITEM 10, UM, 1422 SOUTH ST. MARY'S. UM, THE ITEM WAS CONTINUED, UH, FROM THE LAST HEARING TO THIS HEARING. UM, AND SO, UH, WE WON'T READ THE CASE BACK INTO THE RECORD, BUT THIS IS A, A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE, UH, OR STAFF, DO WE HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION FROM THE OWNER OR I MISSED THAT? NO, AS STATED, UM, THE OWNER IS AWARE OF THE DATE, UM, WE CONTACTED BY EMAIL AND PHONE, UM, LEFT A MESSAGE. UM, THEY HAVE NOT ATTENDED. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE POSTPONE THIS, CONTINUE TO POSTPONE IT THEN. BUT HOLD ON. CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING WITH THE APPLICANT? YES. IS THE OWNER THE ONE REQUESTING DEMOLITION AND STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING HISTORIC LANDMARK? SO WHAT'S THE, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND, AND MR. MALDI IS REPRESENTING THE OWNER TODAY, RIGHT? MR. MALDI? NO, I'M ING THE APPLICANT. OKAY. THIS IS A THIRD PARTY REQUEST FOR DESIGNATION. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. BUT THE OWNER'S THE ONE THAT SUBMITTED THE DEMOLITION STRUCTURE. THAT'S CORRECT. THE DEMOLITION REQUEST. AND YOU'RE, CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT YOU AS STAFF ARE NOT FINDING THAT IT MEETS ALL OF, NOT ALL THREE CRITERIA? UH, SHOULD I JUST READ THE REC? YES. UH, SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA UNDER U D C SECTION 35 6 0 7 B IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF FINDS AT 1422 SOUTH ST. MARY STREET MEETS TWO CRITERIA. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPERTY IS NOT ELIGIBLE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G AND DOES NOT RECOMMEND A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIF SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. AND MR. MELDY IS FIGHTING FOR THE THREE, AND THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE TODAY. SO THAT'S CORRECT. UM, BUT WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE, I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR. YES, SIR. SO I JUST HAVE A THOUGHT HERE, BUT I, I, I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS CASE WITHOUT OWNER REPRESENTATIVE. I, UH, AN OWNER, AN AN OWNER REPRESENTATIVE HERE. UM, BUT I, I GENERALLY SUPPORT THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE, UH, NUMBER SIX, UM, AS IT IS A PARTICULARLY UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF AN AUTOMOTIVE STRUCTURE, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF ITEM SIX, MAKING THE THIRD, UH, CRITERIA IN MOVING THIS FORWARD. BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT WITHOUT OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AS TO WHETHER, UH, THERE'S A PROBLEM CONTINUING THIS TO THE NEXT HEARING. AND A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, ARE INTERIM CONTROLS IN EFFECT IF THIS CASE IS CONTINUED? SO TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, THEY WANT TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE. OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL NOT ISSUE THE PERMIT UNTIL THERE'S A RESOLUTION [00:40:01] AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL REGARDING THE ELIGIBILITY. SO, SO INTERIM CONTROLS ARE NOT IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT NEEDED BECAUSE THE PERMIT WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED. SO I WOULD ASK ECHO. COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. I WOULD ECHO COMMISSIONER FISHER'S COMMENT IN THAT. DOES HE, IS HE OWN, I, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT IS THE OWNER AWARE THAT THIS COULD STOP HIS DEMOLITION PROCESS? OH, YES, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR COREY. YES. UH, COREY, WE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT MOST RECENTLY THAT, THAT RECEIVED, UM, THE APPROVAL FOR DE WELL, THEY RECEIVED, THEY, THEY RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR CERTIFICATE, APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEMOLITION. RIGHT. IT'S A, IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, RIGHT? THAT GIVES, OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE TERMINOLOGY THAT WE USE WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'VE APPROVED A DEMOLITION? RIGHT. SO IF, IF IT IS NOT DESIGNATED, IT DOES NOT GET A C O A, IT JUST GETS A PERMIT. AND SO OUR REVIEW IS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS WHERE THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT ELIGIBILITY AND POTENTIAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR A PROPERTY GOING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE DEMOLITION REVIEW. THAT'S WHEN IT COMES HERE. OKAY. NOW, NOW, BUT, BUT IF I RECALL, AND IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION IN TERMS OF THE CITY'S PROTOCOLS OR THE U D C, THAT EVEN IF THEY WERE GIVEN PERMISSION TO DEMOLISH, IT WOULDN'T MEAN ANYTHING UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY HAD A PLAN FOR RECONSTRUCTION, OR WAS THAT SPECIFIC TO THAT PROPERTY OVER THERE IN THE TOBIN HILL AREA? THAT WE, THAT'S SPECIFIC TO HISTORIC LANDMARKS OR OH, OKAY. OR PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE I, THE, THE REASON, THE, THE REASON WHY I THINK, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, UM, THAT WE HAVE A, UM, A CONDITION HERE WHERE STAFF HAS NOT, UM, AGREED TO A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, IT'S ALSO A SITUATION WHERE AN OWNER, UM, DOES NOT AGREE RIGHT TO, TO DEMOLITION. UM, SO A ALONG THE LINES, I THINK FOR DIFFERENT REASONS THOUGH OF COMMISSIONER FISHER, I, I ALSO, UH, UH, WOULD, WOULD THINK THAT THE BEST MOTION WOULD BE NO MOTION AT ALL AND ALLOW IT TO DIE ON THE FLOOR OR ON THE DICE. WELL, DURING THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS SOME, UH, SUPPORT FOR DESIGNATION. SO I'M IN, UH, INCLINED TO GET A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE UNTIL WE GET AN OWNER REPRESENTATIVE HERE. MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. SECOND. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHAIR AND POTENTIALLY OUR LEGAL REPRESENTATION. UM, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO DELAY RESCHEDULING THIS UNTIL WE'VE CONFIRMED THE DATE WITH THE OWNER, THAT WAY WE DON'T PULL THE APPLICANT HERE UNNECESSARILY AGAIN? YES. I MEAN, REALLY THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE WOULD BE ON THEIR END THEY'D BE WAITING FOR THEIR DEMOLITION PERMIT STILL. SO I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE FINE TO DO THAT. YES, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE NEED TO CONFIRM A DATE WITH THE OWNER BEFORE WE PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA. DOES THIS HAVE TO BE IN THE MOTION? I THINK IF THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION, THEN THAT'S DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO DO THAT. I'LL CORRECT THE MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS CASE UNTIL THE OWNER CAN BE PRESENT TO THE HEARING. AND ALSO WANNA NOTE, THERE HAS BEEN ALREADY A SITE VISIT, RIGHT? SO SOME, A, UH, COMMISSION HAS ALREADY BEEN THERE, SO I AGREE. I SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER FISH, THE SECOND CONCURS. THANK YOU. THE SECOND CONCURS. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND ZER? AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 45 9 22 NOLAN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO AND REMOVAL OF EXISTING WINDOWS, TRANSOM WINDOWS, AND DOORS. TWO, REPLACE THE HISTORIC FISH SCALE SIDING BENEATH THE GABLE WITH CEDAR SHAKES. THREE. RE REPLACE ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. FOUR INSTALL FAUX PORCH TILE, EXCUSE ME, TILE PORCH COLUMNS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ROD. IRON COLUMNS. FIVE. INSTALL A FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RIBBON DRIVEWAY. SIX INSTALL FRONT YARD FENCING. SEVEN INSTALL, UH, SIDE AND REAR YARD FENCING. AND A CONSTRUCT, A REAR ADDITION THAT FEATURES PROFILE MODIFICATION TO THE ORIGINAL FORM. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND [00:45:01] APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, REMOVAL OF THE WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FRONT PORCH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIZE OF WINDOW OPENINGS, THE REMOVAL OF TRANSOM WINDOW OPENINGS, AND THE WIDENING OF FRONT PORCH DOORS. BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS ALL ORIGINAL OPENINGS BE RESTORED TO THEIR ORIGINAL PROFILES. TWO. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL FISH SCALE SIDING WITH CEDAR SHAKE, SIDING, OR SHINGLES RATHER. STAFF FINDS THAT THE ORIGINAL FISH SCALE PROFILE SHOULD BE REINSTALLED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS BE REINSTALLED. THEY MATCH THE PROFILE OF THOSE THAT WERE REMOVED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF FO TILE ON THE NEW PORCH COLUMNS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COLUMN SHOULD BE REDUCED IN SIZE, FEATURE A PROFILE CHANGE TO BE PROPORTIONATE AND BE WRAPPED IN WOOD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF A FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. THE STIPULATION OF THE DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT YARD FENCING BASED ON FINDING J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT AT NO LOCATION SHALL THE FENCE EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, AND THAT IF A DRIVEWAY GATE IS INSTALLED, IT IS LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE INSTALLATION OF FRONT AND REAR YARD PRIVACY FENCING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT AT NO LOCATION SHALL THE FENCE EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. AND TWO, THAT PRIVACY FENCING SHOULD BE LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT MOST WINDOW ON THE SIDE. FACADES THE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM EIGHT. THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION, UH, WITH THE SHED ROOF STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL A GABLE ROOF. THE STAFF FINDS THE MODIFIED FENESTRATION PROFILE THE ADDITION TO BE APPROPRIATE. THE APPLICANT, MR. JUAN OSORIO, IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, MI MR. CHAIR, I, I, I WANNA WONDERING IF I CAN ASK A STAFF A QUESTION BEFORE WE GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS. UM, WE, WE HAD A D R C, UH, AND I WANTED TO ASK EDWARD IF EDWARD MIGHT HAVE NOTES FOR, UM, SOME CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD THAT THAT REALLY KIND OF MINIMIZES THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE MAY HAVE TO GO IN THROUGH, IF WE FOCUS ON THOSE ITEMS THAT THE D R C, UH, THOUGHT WOULD SUFFICIENTLY ADDRESS, UM, THE MOST MAJOR CONCERNS. I THINK COMMISSIONER GRU, UM, WAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH A LEAD AT THE MEETING AND SHE COULD PROBABLY TAKE US IN THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT WELL, I WANTED TO CLARIFY. SO, UH, WE WERE THREE COMMISSIONERS THERE, COMMISSIONER ANTE, ME AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AND, AND JUAN HERE. MR. OSORIO, WE REALLY FOCUSED A LOT ON GOING THROUGH EACH OF THE STIPULATIONS, EACH OF THE FINE, UH, STIPULATIONS AND, AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT. SO YES, I WOULD ASK EDWARD TO PULL UP THOSE NOTES. I THINK YOU HAVE THEM ALL ONE BY ONE. BUT I DO FEEL FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS, UM, IT IS A HARD CASE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE AGREED ON WAS ALSO BASED ON WHAT ARE THE CAPABILITIES FOR NOT SO MUCH OF THE OWNER, BUT ALSO JUST OF THE EXTENT OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE. AND ALSO JUST LOOKING AT WHERE THE PROPERTY IS AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE END PROJECT. UM, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AND I WANNA MENTION IT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO CONSIDERATION TODAY. WE DID DISCUSS, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF DISCUSSING FUTURE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION BASED ON, ON THE, UM, AMOUNT OF WORK THAT EXTENDS OUT OF THE GUIDELINES, WHICH, UM, ALSO THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SIDE, IT WAS ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING. AND THEY ALSO AGREED TO ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR AGREEMENTS THAT WE CAME UP WITH THAT DAY. THERE ARE, UM, IN FINDINGS B AND C IN STAFF'S REPORT, THERE'S A SUMMARY OF PAST, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON SITE. AND THEN ALSO HERE ARE NOTES FROM THE D R C MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE LAST WEDNESDAY. I CAN WALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM IF YOU WANT, FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. YEAH. YES, PLEASE. SO IF WE LOOK AT THE STIPULATIONS ONE BY ONE, AND MR. SODA, YOU LET ME KNOW IF I'M WRONG, BUT I'M, I HAVE A GOOD MEMORY, WHICH IS GOOD. UM, THE WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FRONT PORCH, UM, WE LOOKED BOTH AT THE INSIDE, AT THE OUTSIDE. UM, ACTUALLY IT, IT IS AN EXTENSIVE PROJECT TO, YOU KNOW, RESTORE THEM TO THE ORIGINAL PROFILE. THE WINDOWS THAT, UH, MR. SOYA HAS BEEN USING ARE THE FULL WOOD WINDOWS. IT HAD THE DIMENSIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE IN VERY GOOD. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT WE ACTUALLY ACCEPT AS A REPLACEMENT WINDOW. SO WE WERE, UH, ACCEPTING, UH, LEAVING THE WINDOWS AS IS. SO STIPULATION NUMBER ONE WOULD NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDED IN THE, UH, MOTION ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL FI SCALE SIDING WITH THE CEDAR SHAKE SINGLES IN THE FRONT. HE, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT [00:50:01] SLIDE IT IS, BUT THERE'S A PICTURE OF WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY. SO THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO, WE'LL KEEP THE SAME MATERIAL BUT PLACE IT IN A WAY THAT IT MIMICS WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OF PAINT COLOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO HE CAN CHOOSE IF HE WANTS TO PAINT IT OR KEEP IT THE, THE SEED OR COLOR. BUT WE DID AGREE TO, UH, RESTORE IT TO, WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, THE STAFF WANNA PULL THAT PICTURE UP JUST SO WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT BASICALLY HE'LL JUST CHANGE OUT SO THAT IT MIMICS THE FISH SCALE DESIGN. THERE'S TWO RIBBONS OF THEM. IF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE CASE, THE PICTURE IT'S ON. YEAH, THERE'S A SLIDE 21. THERE WE GO. KIND OF SEE IT. SO HE'S GOING TO RESTORE TO THAT. OKAY. UM, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE. THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS THE FRONT WINDOW OR THE, THE ONE ON THE PORCH. WHICH WINDOW WAS THAT? THEY WERE ALL WINDOWS. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT, I THINK ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS ALL WINDOWS. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT ITEM NUMBER ONE WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT PORCH DOORS, THE FRONT DOORS, WHAT WE JUST AGREED ONE. UM, CORRECT, YES. UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS THE, UH, THE MODIFICATION TO THE ACTUAL OPENINGS THEMSELVES. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE, UH, THE PHYSICAL SASH AND WINDOWS. UH, SO ESSENTIALLY REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE WITH, UH, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE NOTED HERE. A LOT OF THE WINDOWS ARE STILL ORIGINAL ON THE SIDES. IT'S MOSTLY THE ONES ON THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT DOORS. WHAT WE AGREED ON WITH THE APPLICANT WAS, UM, THERE ARE THE TYPE OF DOORS WITH THE BIG, YOU KNOW, GLASS OPENING. BASICALLY THE GLASS THAT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT A SEE-THROUGH. IT HAS KIND OF LIKE A, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? IT'S A, LIKE A WAVE PRINT. YEAH, LIKE A WAVE. SO HE WOULD CHANGE OUT ON ALL THREE DOORS, CHANGE OUT JUST THE WINDOW PANE TO A SEE THROUGH CLEAR GLASS WINDOW PANE. AND WE AGREED TO THAT. SO HE IS KEEPING THE OPENINGS AS IS AND THE DOORS AS IS. THE DOORS ARE FULLY WOOD. UM, I MEAN THEY'RE GOOD QUALITY. AND SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, I MEAN, WITH THE INSIDE WE COULD SEE ON THE SIDING WHERE THERE WAS MAYBE THE ORIGINAL OPENING, BUT IT, THERE HAS BEEN MODIFICATIONS TO THAT OPENING PRIOR TO THE OWNER TAKING OVER THAT. SO, UM, WE'RE ACCEPTING THE DOUBLE DOORS AND THE SINGLE DOOR TO THE SIDE CHANGING JUST THE WINDOW PANE, GLASS PANE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UH, THE PHOTO, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO REMOVE THE PHOTO OR LEAVE IT, BUT WE HAVE AGREED THAT, UM, WE COULD ACCEPT A STUCCO FINISH JUST ON THAT SECTION. UM, OF COURSE. SO THEN IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT HE WANTS TO DO IT OVER THE TOWEL OR REMOVE THE TOWEL AND THEN DO THE STUCCO. EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS AS IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, IT'S THE FULL CONCRETE, UH, DRIVEWAY. WE ACTUALLY MEASURED IT ONE SECTION. IT WAS 12 FEET AND 3 CENT, THREE INCHES, AND THEN IT GOES INTO 11, BARELY 11 FEET. SO WE NOTED THAT ALSO THAT, UM, WAS ACCEPTABLE. UM, IT'S MORE ABOUT THE APRON THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WIDER. UM, IT IS A FULL CONCRETE DRIVEWAY. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE EXTENSIVE TO HAVE TO REMOVE JUST ONE FOOT. UM, SO WE ACCEPTED IT AS IS. THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE. SO THE APPLICANT HAS ACCEPTED TO KEEP THE FENCE AT FOUR FEET ALL THE WAY BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOME. SO ON ONE SIDE WHERE IT KIND OF GOES DOWN, HE WILL KEEP IT AT FOUR FEET ALL THE WAY TO BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOME. AND ON THE SIDE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY ENDS, HE WILL HAVE, UM, A GATE. SO WE AGREED THE FOUR FEET ALL THE WAY TO WHERE THE CONCRETE PAD ENDS. AND EDWARD TOOK PICTURES OF BOTH SIDES OF IT. AND I THINK WE ALL AGREED ON WHERE EXACTLY THERE'S ACTUALLY A POST. SO WHERE THE EXISTING POST ON THIS PICTURE TO THE RIGHT. SO THAT WHOLE PART THAT GOES KIND OF UP IT GOES, IT'S GONNA REMAIN FOUR FEET AND THEN GO STRAIGHT TO SIX FEET. UM, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER SIX, SIX FEET, THAT'S THE PRIVACY FENCE. THE DRIVEWAY GATE BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE. YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE CONCRETE PAD ACTUALLY ENDS BEHIND THE FACADE. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. [00:55:02] AND THEN ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, THE SHED ROOF FORM. WE WENT ACROSS THE STREET, WE WENT TO THE SIDEWALKS, WE WENT TO THE SIDES. IT'S REALLY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT. UM, IT'S VERY WELL DONE. THE ONLY THING WE AGREED ON WAS, UM, HE WILL ADD GUTTERS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO WATER SITTING IN BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. AND THAT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. AND HE WAS GONNA SUBMIT A GUTTER PLAN WITH EDWARD. BUT THAT WAS, UH, JUST, WE'LL ACCEPT THAT AS IS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, MR. ROSO, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? UM, NO. BASICALLY WHAT, UH, WHAT UM, SHE READ. THAT'S WHAT WE AGREED UPON. OKAY, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. UH, YES. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ESH AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDINA WITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGA WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 45, LOCATED AT 9 22 NOLAN STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. THIS DEVELOPER SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC FEATURES OF THIS CIRCA 1915 FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE HOUSE, SO THAT IT CONTINUES TO BE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY ON THE 900 BLOCK OF NOLAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WANNA ADD ONE MORE THING. MR. OSORIO, UM, DID SAY THAT HE HAD HAD A LOT OF MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN STAFF AND WHAT WAS APPROVED PRIOR, AND THAT HAS CAUSED HIM TO DO SOME OF THE WORK, UM, WITHOUT, UM, REALLY A CLEAR PERMIT. BUT ALSO MR. SORIO COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS RIGHT NOW THAT HE CAN'T DO ANY WORK UNTIL WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS TODAY, . OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMISSIONER'S? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH. UM, I WANNA SAY THAT I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THE PROGRESS FROM THE LAST SITE VISIT. UM, UH, IT SOMETIMES THESE THINGS TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND, UM, BUT I DID WANNA SEE SOME NOTES REGARDING THE FIRST SITE VISIT. THE, THE FILE, UM, DOESN'T CONTAIN SOME FIRST SITE VISIT NOTES. AND I THINK IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE THE FULL HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND THIS FILE, WE SHOULD HAVE THOSE NOTES IN THERE AS WELL. SO, UM, BUT I AM HAPPY TO SEE THE PROGRESS. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF, COUPLE OF MAIN ISSUES WITH THIS. THERE ARE MANY ISSUES ON THIS CASE WITH STAFF'S HANDLING OF IT. UM, WHAT WAS APPROVED AND WHAT WAS DONE ALL WITHOUT PERMITS EVEN FROM D S D. UM, SO THAT'S A REAL, REAL PROBLEM, NOT ONLY FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT FOR DISTRICT TWO AND FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THE CITY. UM, BUT MOVING BEYOND THAT, UM, THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS JUST THE LOSS OF HISTORIC CHARACTER OF STYLISTIC CHARACTER. I THINK REINSTATING THE SHINGLES WILL GO A LONG WAY. UM, I KNOW AT THIS POINT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UH, APPETITE OR ELECT OR, UM, UH, DESIRE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS AND THE SIDING AND ALL OF THOSE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT HELPED MAKE THIS HOUSE, HISTORIC HOUSE. NOW WHAT WE SEE IS SORT OF THIS REPLACEMENT HOUSE. UM, BUT ONE OTHER, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS NOT CLEAR ON HERE, ITEM NUMBER FOUR THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT IS I THINK THE COLUMNS IN THE FRONT DO NEED TO, UM, BE, UH, CONFORMING TO A STYLE TO THE STYLE OF A FOLK VICTORIAN. EVEN IF WE DO A STUCCO SURROUND TO OBSCURE THAT CONTEMPORARY STONE, I THINK IT STILL LOOKS, I KNOW IT LOOKS VERY, VERY ODD AND IT STYLISTICALLY NOT APPROPRIATE. SO, UM, MIGHT YOU BE ABLE TO GO AHEAD WITH THE FIRST IDEA AND THAT'S JUST STRIP OFF THE STONE AND THAT LEDGE AND LET'S BRING IT DOWN TO THAT. IS IT A FOUR, A SIX BY SIX? THE POST? YES. YEAH. SIX BY SIX. DO A CAPITAL WRAP AND A BASE WRAP. MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A FOLK VICTORIAN. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET AS MANY PARTS AS WE CAN. SO IT LOOKS LIKE A FOLK VICTORIAN. MM-HMM. . OKAY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ALSO, SO REMOVE, REMOVE ALL THE, UH, THE STONE, THE CAGER, KEEP THE, THE POLE, AND MAYBE JUST THE TRIM UPON THE BASE TRIM STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. AND THE TRIM FOR THE CAPITAL, I THINK THAT COULD GO A LONG WAY. THAT'S FINE. YEAH, I'LL DO THAT. SURE. THE ADDITION ON THE BACK? NO, NO, I CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. YEAH. GOING TO THE ADDITION TO THE BACK. THAT'S INEXCUSABLE. ALL OF THESE THINGS. OKAY. I'VE GONE THROUGH THE VIDEO [01:00:01] FROM THE FIRST HEARING. YOU'VE UTILIZED A LOT OF OUR TIME WITH THE COMMISSION'S TIME AND I WASN'T ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME. YEAH. NOR WAS, UM, COMMISSIONER C CERVANTES. UM, BUT THE COMMISSION'S ALREADY PUT A TON OF TIME INTO THIS. WE'VE HAD TWO D R C MEETINGS AND NOW WE'RE BACK AGAIN AFTER. THIS IS OUR THIRD TIME HERE AT THE DAYS. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT. WE WANT YOU TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT ALSO TO BRING IT UP. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YEAH. MM-HMM. . OKAY. MI, MR. CHAIR? YES. I'D LIKE TO, UH, CONSIDERING, UH, COMMISSIONER ENO'S COMMENTS AS WELL. I THINK I CAN CRAFT A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN I, UH, BY MEMORY, I'M GONNA GO OFF EACH POINT SO THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE D R C AND WITH COMMISSIONER SENOS COMMENTS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, BEFORE I START, WOULD YOU PREFER THE REQUEST ITEMS ON THE SCREEN, THE D R C NOTES ON THE SCREEN, WHICH WILL BE EASIER FOR YOU TO REFER TO? SURE. SURE. THAT THAT HELPS. THAT HELPS? MM-HMM. , SO, SO I GUESS THE WAY THAT I'M POSING IT IS THAT THE ONLY STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE GONNA READ OFF THE SCREEN. SO THE OTHERS THAT ARE NOT MENTIONED ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT PART OF THE MOTION. OKAY. RIGHT. WELL, DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW THE SAME SCREEN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? UH, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE D R C NOTES OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHAT I HAVE ON THE PROJECTOR? LET'S PULL OUT THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU NEED TO PULL THE RECOMMENDATIONS UP ON YOUR END. 'CAUSE I HAVE THE OTHER ONES ON MY SCREEN. UH, THE, THE D R C, SORRY. OKAY. SO MOTION TO INCLUDE, WELL SEE, HERE'S THE PROBLEM, EDWARD. THE, THESE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OF THE, OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HONOR. SO MAYBE I SHOULD GO OFF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I HAVE MY, I HAVE MY VERSION HERE. I CAN DO THIS. HANG ON ONE SECOND. LET ME, I CAN HELP TOO, MR. VELAZQUEZ, IF YOU WANT IT. IT'S ALWAYS A OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE THIS, WHAT I THINK IS THE HARDEST PART OF THIS, THIS ROLE, THIS PUTTING THESE THINGS TOGETHER, COMMISSIONER, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE A NUMBER OF THESE ITEMS, THERE'S A GROUP OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. SOME OF THEM THAT ARE GOING TO BE APPROVED AS STIPULATED WITH SOME STIPULATIONS, AND THEN A COUPLE THAT ARE MODIFIED. IS THAT FAIR? WELL, IT, IT, IT'S FAIR. THE ONLY THING IS, I, I TYPICALLY THINK BACKWARDS. SO I WOULDN'T EVEN APPROACH IT THAT WAY. I WOULD JUST SAY, UH, TO APPROVE MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND I WOULD JUST TALK ABOUT THE STIPULA STIPULATIONS, WHICH WOULD MEANS THE ONES THAT I DON'T MENTION WOULD DROP OFF. 'CAUSE THE PROJECT'S ALREADY THERE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO. THE ONLY ITEMS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE THE ITEMS THAT'LL BE MENTIONED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I THINK WE HAVE TO, I BELIEVE WE HAD, WE, THIS, THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER, I SUPPOSE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE ITEMS. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO MAKE A, A MOTION ON THOSE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT AS SUBMITTED. YES. I INCORRECT HERE. NO, THAT'S CORRECT. ONE, ONE POSSIBLE WAY TO CRAFT THE MOTION, UH, WOULD BE TO SIMPLY REFER TO THE ITEM NUMBERS. UM, AND SO YOU COULD SAY ONE THROUGH FIVE OR ONE THROUGH EIGHT OR ONE THROUGH THREE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. UM, AND THEN REFER TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP'S COMMENTS TO BE REFLECTED AS STIPULATIONS. WELL, WELL, LET ME DO THIS. COMMISSIONER RUB HAS CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT SHE CAN DO IT. , RIGHT? COULD TRY. AND I, AND I'M ALSO GONNA CONSIDER COMMISSIONER ENO'S COMMENT. I THINK IF WE REDO THAT. YEAH. RECOMMENDATION. AND THE I OWNER HAS, SO I'LL RESCIND MY MOTION TO MAKE WAIVE FOR ANOTHER MOTION EXCEPT ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE ONLY STIPULATION ITEM NUMBER ONE WOULD BE TO CHANGE OUT THE GLASS OF THE FRONT TWO THREE FRONT DOORS TO BE A SEE-THROUGH GLASS COMPLETELY, NO WAVES APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STAB STIPULATION, WHICH IS JUST REACH, UH, WITH THE CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLE. RETURNING THAT TO THE ORIGINAL FISH SCALE PROFILE. UH, I ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE AS PRESENTED TODAY AS THE APPLICANT HAS IT WITH NO STIPULATIONS. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH THE STIPULATION. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS MENTIONING IN THEIR STIPULATION IS, UH, REMOVING THE STUCCO AND THE PHOTO HAS BEEN INSTALLED AND TO CREATE A WRAP WITH WOOD AT THE BASE. MAYBE THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD IS JUST BEFORE YOU SUBMIT THE WORK, JUST SUBMIT A LITTLE DRAWING TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL. BEFORE YOU DO THE WORK, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE AS PRESENTED OR AS THE APPLICANT [01:05:01] HAS ALREADY APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE FRONT YARD FACING, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I THINK THEY ALL GO WITH THE AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER AND APPROVE ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AS THE OWNER HAS PRESENTED AS IS TODAY, I, I'LL SECOND AND I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH WAS SAYING IN THE WAY THAT YOU DID THAT, SO I THINK I LEARNED SOMETHING TOO. EH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? KIPPS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAV. NAYYY VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FED NAYYY? UH, MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU, SIR. SO FROM, UH, FROM HERE ON YOU, IF YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO, UH, DO THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR, UH, HAVE STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR MEGAN ERMAN, WHO'S THE APPLICANT FOR THIS CASE. IF I DON'T SEE YOU ON THE LIST, BUT IF YOU ARE HER OR REPRESENT HER, GO AHEAD AND SEND ME A MESSAGE IN THE CHAT SO I CAN FIND YOU COMMISSIONERS. I MIGHT SUGGEST WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER CASE AND CLAUDIA AND TRY TO GET THE APPLICANT. YES. AGENDA ITEM 13. GO AHEAD, EDWARD. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, OR EXCUSE ME, 13 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 0 5 400 PROBAND. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR-STORY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT 400 PROBAND LOCATED WITHIN RIO. FOUR. THE PROPOSED NEW CON STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE 310 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH T WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT ALL WINDOWS BE RECESSED WITHIN WALLS AT LEAST TWO INCHES. IT'S NOTED IN FINDING R TWO THAT THE VISIBLE WALLS OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE FEATURE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS SUCH AS COLORS OR MATERIALS THAT MATCH THAT OF THE PROPOSED FACADES. AND THREE IS IN REGARDS TO ARCHEOLOGY AND ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED. PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL STATE LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. UH, THE APPLICANT, JACKSON NAGEL, UH, IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY, AND I BELIEVE, UH, JACKSON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THE ONLY ITEM THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DISCUSS, UM, ARE THE WINDOWS. UH, MR. NAGEL, ARE YOU THERE? HEY, THIS IS JACKSON. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES. UH, YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT EDWARD. AND THANKS FOR THE INTRO. UM, AND TO YOUR POINT, WE ARE ONLY GOING TO FIGHT, UH, ITEM ONE. WE'RE GOING TO CONSENT TO ITEMS TWO AND THREE, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE COORDINATE WITH THE ARCHEOLOGY DEPARTMENT, UM, AND THE SECOND ITEM UP ON THE LIST. BUT THE ONLY NUMBER WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU GUYS IS ITEM ONE, UM, WHICH IS THE STIPULATION FOR HAVING TWO INCH RECESSED WINDOWS ACROSS THE PROJECT. UM, WE HAD OUR FIRST H D R C HEARING BACK IN OCTOBER, UM, KIND OF FOR OUR PRELIMINARY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR PRELIMINARY SUBMITTAL, IF YOU WILL. UM, IN THE ORIGINAL COMMENT ON THAT SUBMITTAL WAS, UM, SORRY, WAS THAT ALL WINDOWS FEATURE DARK FRAMES AND ALSO ALL WINDOWS BE RESETS WITHIN TWO INCHES. UM, SO WE ADDRESSED THAT BY PROVIDING A BLACK FRAMED WINDOW IN LIEU OF A WHITE FRAMED WINDOW, WHICH WAS SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, UM, WHICH IS A MORE EXPENSIVE AND HIGHER END FINISHED PRODUCT, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO HELP SATISFY Y'ALL'S REQUIREMENT. BUT WE WANT TO PUSH BACK ON THE TWO INCH WINDOW RECESS REQUIREMENT. UM, THE PROJECT EXTERIOR CONSISTS OF BRICK AND BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING IT ALL WINDOW CONDITIONS [01:10:01] ON THE BRICK, WE ARE GOING TO ADHERE AND HAVE A TWO INCH WINDOW RECESS. UM, THAT'S JUST A BYPRODUCT OF THE BRICK WINDOW SILL. HOWEVER, ON THE BOARD AND BATTEN WINDOW CONDITIONS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ARGUE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A TWO INCH WINDOW RECESS. UM, AND THE REASON BEING IS IT PROVIDES, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WATER INTRUSION. WE HIRED A THIRD PARTY BUILDING ENVELOPE CONSULTANT, B E C I ENGINEERS, UM, AND THEY REVIEWED OUR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL SET OF PLANS, AND THEY REVIEWED THE WINDOW DETAILS THAT EDWARD HAD UP ON THE SCREEN EARLIER. UM, AND AFTER THEIR REVIEW, THEY WERE RECOMMENDED TO US THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR A RECESSED WINDOW AT THE BOARD AND BATTEN LOCATIONS. UM, I CAN READ THEIR STATEMENT HERE FOR EASE. UM, UH, THIS IS FROM MICHAEL BULLOCK ADDRESSED TO EDWARD HALL. B E C I RECOMMENDS AGAINST RECESSING WINDOWS WHENEVER POSSIBLE FROM A WATERPROOFING PERSPECTIVE AND OUR EXPERIENCE, MOST MANUFACTURERS FLASHING TAPES HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME NAVIGATING THE RAPID CORNERS PRESENT IN RECESSED WINDOWS AND CAUSE ADHESION PROBLEMS, WHICH COULD LEAD TO WATER INTRUSION. IN ADDITION, THE RECESSED WINDOWS CREATE A HORIZONTAL SEAL CONDITION, WHICH COULD ALLOW WATER TO POOL AND ENTER BEHIND THE CLADDING WITHOUT ROBUST SYSTEM IN PLACE. THESE TWO MAIN ISSUES ARE THEN AMPLIFIED BY SUBCONTRACTORS WHO ARE INEXPERIENCED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF RECESSED WINDOWS, WHICH LEADS TO FURTHER IMPROPER INSTALLATION AND MORE POTENTIAL WATER INTRUSION ISSUES. SO IN, IN ADDITION TO THE, UM, THIRD PARTY ENGINEER THAT WE HAD REVIEWED OUR PLANS, I ALSO WANNA BRING UP, AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS, IT'S NOT IN MY SUBMITTAL PACKAGE, UM, THAT THE TWO CLOSEST, UM, APARTMENT PROJECTS FLATS AT BIG TECHS, WHICH IS ON BLUE STAR DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF US. UM, THEY HAVE WHITE FRAMED WINDOWS, NOT DARK FRAME WINDOWS, AND THE WINDOWS ARE ALSO NOT RECESSED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING BLACK FRAME WINDOWS WITHOUT A RECESS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET YOU GUYS IN THE MIDDLE, UM, BY PROVIDING A MORE EXPENSIVE, HIGHER END PRODUCT. AND THE SECOND PROJECT, SOUTHTOWN FLATS, WHICH IS ON PROBAND STREET, JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH OF US, HAS WHITE WINDOWS, AND THEY'RE NOT RECESSED. SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO MEET YOU GUYS IN THE MIDDLE BY PROVIDING A DARK FRAMED WINDOW, UM, AND A RECESSED WINDOW ON THE BRICK ELEVATIONS, WHICH ARE THE ELEVATIONS ALONG PROBAND STREET. AND THEN THE ELEVATIONS ON THE EAST SIDE, THE FACE OF SAN ANTONIO RIVER, WHICH IS WHERE THE BOARD AND BATTEN SYSTEM IS IN PLACE. WE WOULD NOT LIKE TO PROVIDE THE WINDOW AT RECESS. THAT'S PROBABLY MY TOO LONG, LONG OF WINDED SPIEL. THANK YOU, SIR. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. OKAY. ANY, UH, ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. WELL GO TO, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, UM, WOULD LIKE TO, TO BE MAYBE BEGIN, UM, A BIT OF A DIALOGUE, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER TOWN. THERE, THERE'S, UM, EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE TRYING TO ADAPT, UM, KIND OF THE, THE, THE MODERN, UH, TECHNOLOGIES TO GUIDELINES THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SYSTEMS AND THEIR RECOMMENDED APPLICATIONS. AND MOST DEFINITELY, THE WINDOW IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. YOU SEE SITUATIONS EVERYWHERE WHERE IN TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UH, THE, THE SHADOW DIMENSION, UM, THEY, THEY RELY ON CAULK INSTEAD OF THE, THE KIND OF TIMELESS PRINCIPLES OF, OF WINDOW OVERLAP AND OVERLAP AND, UH, THE ARTICULATION OF THE JOINTS, RIGHT? AND, AND PART OF THE MODERN WINDOW IS TO MANUFACTURE THE OVERALL, UH, UM, UH, AIR PRESSURE, UH, INFILTRATION OR INTRUSION OF, OF MOISTURE, UH, BUILT INTO IT. AND, AND, AND IN THAT THEY'VE TAKEN SOME LIBERTY IN, IN, IN THE WAY THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, THAT THEY, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDED, UH, UH, INSTALLATION, UH, UH, [01:15:01] UH, ASSEMBLAGES ARE, ARE IN A WAY CONTRARY, RIGHT? I, I APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT, THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT PRESENTED, UH, THE, THE MATERIAL BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE ONE STEP FROM, FROM GIVING US THE CUT SHEET FOR THE WINDOW AND SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS THE PROPER WAY FOR THIS WINDOW TO BE PLACED, UM, ON A WALL. WHICH, WHICH REALLY GETS TO THE, TO THE QUESTION OF, UM, IS THIS A WINDOW THAT THE FINS ARE CUT SO THAT YOU CAN GET A, A, A, UM, A SHADOW DIMENSION? OR IS THIS A WINDOW THAT HAS A, UM, UH, UM, AN INTENDED, UM, INTENTIONAL, UM, UH, APPLICATION THAT IS TO MAKE THE BUILDING WATERTIGHT, RIGHT? WE CALL THE, THE PUTTING OF THE WINDOWS AND, AND THE ROOFING AND THE EARLY STAGES OF, OF, UM, CONSTRUCTION, UH, UH, THE DRY OUT, RIGHT? UM, SO THAT, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WATER TIGHTNESS IS, IS A, IS A KEY, RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT, THAT WHAT WE END UP WITH IS, IS A BUILDING WHO, WHEN IT'S DONE, IS DESIGNED WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE CONTEXT OF, OF A HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT. ALTHOUGH HE'S MADE MENTION OF DIRECT BREAKING OF ALL THOSE RULES IN, IN, IN FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, RIGHT? UM, BUT MOST DEFINITELY THE BLUE STAR IN ITSELF, RIGHT? BUT, UM, THAT HE, HE'S VERY RIGHT. AND, AND, AND PART, PART, JUST A LITTLE PIECE TO, TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS THAT IF WE HAD COMMUNITY COMMENTS OR IF WE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMENTS, SURELY THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT AT SOME LEVEL THERE, THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A, UM, UM, UM, A GREAT DEAL OF SOPHISTICATION WITH RESPECT TO THE SYSTEMS UNLESS SOMEBODY'S GONNA TAKE THE CUT SHEET AND SAY, LOOK, NOT THIS ONE, BUT THIS ONE, RIGHT? WHICH SELDOM HAPPENS, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT KIND OF, UM, ASKS US TO, TO LOOK AT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT SYSTEMS, WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WATER INFILTRATION AND AIR INFILTRATION, AND TO REALLY SUPPORT WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED ON, ON OUR KNOWLEDGE OF, OF ARCHITECTURAL ASSEMBLAGES, RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY CAN'T FIGURE A WAY TO PUT A TWO BY FOUR AND SIT IN AND FURTHER IN AND, AND OVERLAP WITH WATERPROOFING AND ALL THESE THINGS, BUT, BUT IN THEIR, IN ITS MOST TRUEST FORM, THE WINDOW IS PROBABLY SITTING, SITTING ON A SHEETING AND THEN HAS, UH, UH, TRIM BOARDS OVER THE OUTER, UH, THE OUTER FINS OF THE WINDOW OR, OR WHATEVER THE, THE, THE, THE CONSTRUCT OF THE, OF THE WINDOW IS THAT THE LETTER IS TALKING TO US, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE RECOMMENDED INSTALLATION BEST PRACTICES. SO I'D BE IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. UM, MY, MY, IF WE HAD AN ASK, I THINK THAT THE GREATEST ASK WOULD BE FOR THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF QUALITY WINDOW AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND ENABLE THEM TO CREATE THE MOST WATERTIGHT AIRTIGHT ENVIRONMENT AT THE, AT THE UPPER UNTOUCHABLE LEVELS. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES. UM, OH, DID I FREEZE? CAN YOU EVERYBODY HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. OKAY, GREAT. I, I HAVE, UM, A FEW THOUGHTS ON THIS. I, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR. I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WATERPROOFING BECOMES A MORE EXPENSIVE AND ENGAGED PROCESS WHEN THE WINDOWS ARE, UH, RECESSED BY TWO INCHES IN A WAY THAT CREATES THOSE SHADOW LINES. AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE EXAMPLES CITED IN THE AREA. UM, I DO NOT CONSIDER THOSE AS PRECEDENT. IN FACT, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS THAT HAPPENED ALONG THE RIVER AND NEXT TO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THE RECESS WAS NOT, UH, RESPECTED IN THE PAST. AND WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS PUTS A PANEL OF GLASS, MORE OR LESS FLUSH WITH THE BOARD AT BATTEN. WERE VERY THIN MATERIALS ON THE SIDE. SO IT'S NO ACCIDENT THAT, THAT, UH, WE NOW PAY A LOT CLOSER ATTENTION TO THAT AS WE HAVE MORE AND MORE PROJECTS OF THIS TYPE, PARTICULARLY, UH, IN RIO AND, UH, IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE WE HAVE THICKER EXTERIOR WALL ASSEMBLIES WHERE THERE'S MASONRY, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DEEP SHADOW LINE BECAUSE THERE'S ADDITIONAL THICKNESS TO THE WALL THAT CREATES THAT SHADOW LINE. BUT WHERE WE HAVE THIN, THIN EXTERIOR FINISHES LIKE STUCCO OR BOARD OF BAT OR PARTY SIDING, TO ME THAT SHADOW LINE IS, IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT, AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO WALK US THROUGH. UM, IF YOU COULD PUT THE ELEVATIONS ON THE SCREEN AND JUST WALK US THROUGH THE BLOCKS OF WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, NOT BE RECESSED, [01:20:01] WHICH PUTS AT LEAST THE UPPER PANEL OF GLASS FLUSH WITH THE EXTERIOR FINISH. BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. I'M GONNA OPEN UP THE FULL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET. UM, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO LOOK AT. YEAH, EDWARD, IF, IF YOU WANT TO OPEN THE, UH, IT WAS EITHER CALLED ELEVATION OR PERSPECTIVES THAT WE SENT YOU, UM, IT'S LIKE SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION FOR SUBMITTAL THAT WOULD PROBABLY BETTER SERVE THE DISCUSSION. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO ADVANCE THE SCREEN OR THE SLIDE. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD, GO TO THE NEXT ONE. GO ONE MORE DOWN. OKAY. SO IF YOU WANNA ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT FOR US, THIS IS THE KIND OF MAIN ELEVATION OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING, UM, BASED ALONG PROBAND STREET. AND SO IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT THE GROUND LEVEL, THAT IS WHERE THE AMENITY CLUB CENTER'S GOING TO BE. AND SO WE ELECTED TO DESIGN A STOREFRONT STYLE WINDOW ON THIS NORTHWEST CORNER, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN, YOU KNOW, RETAIL AND GROUND FLOOR OFFICE DESIGNS. UM, IT'S A SUPER EXPENSIVE DESIGN, BUT WE THINK THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, UM, IS SUPER IMPORTANT FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE FIRST FLOOR THERE. UM, AND KIND OF ON THE SECOND FLOOR BELOW THE PROBAND BLADES MOUNTED SIGN. AND THEN ABOVE THAT YOU'LL SEE THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING, UM, WHICH IS ALSO ALONG PROBAND STREET. AND THE DOORS THEMSELF THAT HAVE THE ONE FOOT TRANSOM WINDOW, UM, THOSE ACTUALLY ARE RECESSED. IT'S JUST HOW THE DOOR'S INSTALLED. SO THAT'S NOT THE CONCERN FOR US. IT'S THE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT OF THE DOOR. UM, IT'S A TWO, TWO PANEL WINDOW SYSTEM, UM, WHERE THERE'S TWO WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, CURTIS, IT, IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T, THE WATERPROOFING ISSUE FOR US ISN'T A, A COST IMPLICATION ON THE DESIGN OR ON THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, IT, IT'S SIMPLY JUST A LIABILITY. UM, O O H T PARTNERS HAS A IN-HOUSE GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UM, AND THEY BUILD ALL OF OUR OWN PROJECTS FOR US, BUT THEY ALSO BUILT PROJECTS FOR THIRD PARTY DEVELOPERS. UM, AND THEY, THEY BROKE GROUND ON OVER 10,000 UNITS IN 2021 ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND THIS IS A STRICT CONDITION THAT THEY ENCOURAGE DEVELOPERS TO NOT DESIGN TO BECAUSE IT LEADS TO SO MANY ISSUES DOWN THE LINE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE THE WATER INTRUSION MIGHT NOT BE AN ISSUE IN YEAR ONE, TWO, OR THREE, THESE APARTMENT PROJECTS ARE AROUND FOR, YOU KNOW, 30, 40 YEARS. AND THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS TO BECOME A PROBLEM. SO IT REALLY HURTS THE LONGEVITY AND THE LIFESPAN OF THE ASSET ITSELF, WHICH IS WHY THE IN-HOUSE CONTRACTOR WHO AT THE END OF THE DAY IS PARTIALLY LIABLE FOR THE INSTALLATION, DISCOURAGES THE RECESS OF WINDOWS AT THE BOARD AND BATTEN PANEL SYSTEMS. SO IT IS REALLY NOT A COST THING, UM, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE. 'CAUSE THE BIG COST IS THE BLACK WINDOWS. I MEAN, IT'S CLOSE TO A $200,000 UPGRADE. AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IN TODAY'S CRAZY CONSTRUCTION PRICING MARKET, EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS. SO WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT ENORMOUS UPCHARGE ON THE PROJECT AND OR, OR REALLY JUST TRYING TO FIGHT THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA HURT THE INTEGRITY OF THIS PROJECT AND CREATE FUTURE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD FOR, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE, WE STILL OWN IT OR A NEW OWNER HAS IT. UM, IT, IT'S JUST GONNA CREATE BIG ISSUES. AND IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON THE ELEVATION, WE CAN'T REALLY SEE A, A BRICK, UM, WINDOW RECESS ON THIS ONE, EDWARD. SO IF WE WANT TO JUMP AROUND, I'M HAPPY TO 0.1 OF THOSE OUT TO YOU GUYS. WELL, THERE, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH AGAIN THERE. WHAT WE'D SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS THE ONE AREA THAT I'M KIND OF PAYING ATTENTION TO. SO YOU WERE SHOWING THESE, THESE AREAS UNDER BALCONIES, THOSE REALLY DON'T CREATE DEEP SHADOW LINES. I HAVE VERY LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ON BALCONIES, BUT WHERE WE CAN SEE THESE CORNERS, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT STAND OUT IN MY MIND, IS NEEDING ATTENTION. AND I THINK YOUR ENGINEER SAID A ROBUST SYSTEM WATERPROOFING IS REQUIRED TO RE RECESS THESE, AND APOLOGIES FOR EQUATING THAT TO COST. I KNOW THERE'S RISK INVOLVED WITH IMPLEMENTING ROBUST SYSTEMS FOR MANAGING THE RECESS, BUT THESE, THESE WINDOWS THAT OCCUR ON THE CORNERS OF THE BUILDING AND BOARD AND BATON, OR ON THE AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE TERRACES, UH, ARE WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE, A SENSE OF IN TERMS OF THEIR QUANTITY. I BELIEVE THAT IF THERE'S LIMITED QUANTITY OF THESE WINDOWS THAT WOULD HAVE THIS EFFECT, I PROBABLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN ISSUE. THERE'S AT LEAST ONE PROMINENT CORNER AND THEN THESE AREAS THAT ARE BETWEEN THE TERRACES. COULD YOU, COULD YOU POINT OUT ANY LARGE GROUPING [01:25:01] OF WINDOWS? UH, WE, I SAW IT ON ONE SLIDE JUST A SECOND AGO. YEAH, IF YOU COULD. OF COURSE. SO I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE THERE IT'S, YEAH, THAT ONE. EXACTLY. SO THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROJECT. AND SO BOTH THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND THE NORTHWEST CORNER HAVE THE SAME WINDOW CONDITION. UM, AND WE DECIDED TO ELIMINATE THE BALCONIES ON THESE CORNER UNITS, UM, AND ACTUALLY DECIDED TO INSTALL THE SIX WINDOWS YOU HAVE, YOU SEE THERE, WRAPPING THE CORNER TO CREATE KIND OF LIKE A WOW FACTOR WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING UP AND DOWN PROBAND TO GIVE THE PROJECT A GOOD, GOOD PERSPECTIVE FROM THE GROUND FLOOR, WHETHER THAT MEANS FROM VEHICULAR TRAFFIC DRIVING NORTH OR SOUTH, OR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WALKING NORTH OR SOUTH. SO THIS CONDITION IS ONLY PRESENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT'S NOT THE SAME WAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OR THE NORTHEAST CORNER. UM, IT'S REALLY JUST TO PRETTY UP THE ELEVATION. 'CAUSE WE, WE THINK IT'S A COOL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. UM, SO I MEAN, AS, AS FAR AS QUANTITY OF WINDOWS THAT DON'T HAVE THE BALCONIES DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH THEM OR HAVE THE OVERHANGS ABOVE THEM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I COULD GET YOU AN ANSWER TODAY. WELL, I, I KNOW I I HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF IT NOW. I THINK I APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING A LITTLE BIT OF, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. UM, WHENEVER, WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, WHEN THEY, THERE'S A LOT OF ARTICULATION HAPPENING IN THE FACADE HERE, WHICH, WHICH HELPS MITIGATE THE ISSUE IN MY MIND QUITE A BIT. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT. OKAY. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, TO ADD, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS ON OUR APPLICATION WAS THAT WE NOT IMPROVISE, BUT WE ADD ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS TO THE PROJECT, UM, TO KIND OF ENHANCE THIS PROBAND SIDE, REALLY ALL ELEVATION NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ADDED THIS COPING CAP ON THE TOP OF THE PROJECT, UM, TO MATCH THE WINDOW COLOR, WHICH MATCHES THE BALCONY RAIL COLOR. WE ADDED THIS HORIZONTAL BRICK LAY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN EVERY FLOOR TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE PROJECT STAND OUT AND MAKE IT UNIQUE. UM, YOU KNOW, IN WAYS WE THINK ARE, ARE REALLY COOL, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. UM, WE JUST, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HURT THE INTEGRITY OF THE DESIGN, UM, AND LEAD TO, YOU KNOW, BEAT ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD. BUT YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ME SAY THAT. YEAH. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE AND THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GRU. YES. UM, AND ACTUALLY TO COMMISSIONER FISH'S QUESTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE SLIDE THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW, UH, SOME SECTIONS ARE BRICK AND, AND LET'S JUST START WITH THE CORNER. SO YOU HAVE THE BRICK AND YOU HAVE THAT WINDOW. NO, THE SLIDE THAT YOU WERE AT, UH, EDWARD, SORRY, 35. SO THE BOTTOM PART, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE RECESS, BUT THEN WHERE THE BOARD AND BATTEN IS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE RECESS ON THIS CORNER, FOR EXAMPLE. IS THAT CORRECT? OR WOULD THERE BE AN OPTION TO DO THE RECESS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS CORNER TO MATCH THE BOTTOM FLOOR WINDOWS WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS AS YOU'RE DOING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE SAME PATTERN ALL THE WAY UP? RIGHT. SO AS IT'S SHOWN NOW, THE GROUND FOUR OR LEVEL ONE WINDOWS ARE RECESSED AS SHOWN, AND LEVELS TWO, THREE AND FOUR ARE NOT RECESSED. UM, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO RECESS IF THIS ENTIRE CORNER WAS CHANGED TO A MASON WALL IN LIEU OF BOARD AND BATTEN. HOWEVER, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW WE HAD IT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED AND THE ARCHITECT CHANGED IT 'CAUSE HE BELIEVED HAVING THAT MATERIAL TRANSITION, UM, ALLOWED FOR A PRETTIER ELEVATION. I AGREE WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST BASING IT ON BOARD AND BATTEN, UH, MATERIAL AND YOU CAN'T RECESS BECAUSE OF THE BOARD AND BATTEN, I MEAN, I GUESS WE HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE. AND THEN THAT WILL, THAT WILL LEAD TO MY OTHER QUESTION IS, LET'S LOOK AT THAT WINDOW DOOR COMBINATION RIGHT TO THE LEFT. YOU HAVE THE WINDOWS WITH HALF BREAK ON ONE SIDE AND BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO THAT, AGAIN, HERE WOULD, YOU WOULD DO IT FLUSH WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN, BUT THEN ALSO THE BRICK HERE AND THEN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE BOTTOM FLOOR? SORRY, COULD, UH, WHICH, UM, WHICH WINDOW ARE YOU, SO THE PAIR OF DOOR AND WINDOW RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THAT CORNER. SO THOSE FOUR FLOORS. SO YOU HAVE A MIX OF, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS WHERE THERE'S BOARD AND BATTEN, YOU CAN'T DO THE RECESS, BUT THEN HERE WE HAVE A MIX OF BOTH. SO WHAT, YOU HAVE THE DOOR WITH THE, YOU SAID ONE FOOT TRANSOM AND THEN THE DOUBLE WINDOWS, YOU HAVE BRICK TO THE LEFT OF THOSE WINDOWS AND BOARD AND BAT ON THE RIGHT. SO HOW WOULD THAT WORK HERE? YOU WOULD NOT HAVE A RECESS. AND WHAT'S YES, SORRY. YEAH, I GET YOUR QUESTION. UM, NO, SO [01:30:01] THE ELEVATION, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT LIKE A THREE D ELEVATION. SO THAT BOARDED BATTEN CARRIES TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE WINDOW. SO IT'S THE SAME CONDITION ACROSS THE ENTIRE, UM, WINDOW SILL AND WINDOW INSTALL. WE AVOID HAVING, LIKE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS HALF BRICK, HALF BOARD AND BATTEN OR HALF LAP SIDING. HALF STUCCO. UM, 'CAUSE IT MAKES FOR A NEAR IMPOSSIBLE INSTALL WITH THE MATERIAL TRANSITION. SO ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS SHOULD HAVE A CONSISTENT MATERIAL BEHIND THEM. YEAH. AND THEN THE BOTTOM PART WILL ALSO NOT BE RECESSED BECAUSE YOU HAVE BOARD AND BATTEN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO I MEAN, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR ME A LOT OF CONFUSION. AND, AND I, I'M, I KIND OF, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMPLICATIONS AND THE LIABILITY AND, AND I'LL CONSIDER THAT I'M JUST, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SEEN MANY PROJECTS BEING ABLE TO INSTALL THE WINDOWS WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A NON, YOU KNOW, NOT IN A WAY THAT HAS ANY REPERCUSSIONS 20 TO 30 YEARS LATER. AN EXAMPLE, I MEAN, I WAS THINK, I THINK WE'VE SEEN IT AT THE PEARL IS JUST, UH, WHERE YOU HAVE THAT RECESS, I MEAN RECESS WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. I THINK WE'VE COME, I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER FISH YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER BETTER THAN I HAVE. WE NOT COME TO SOME PROJECTS WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY NOT DONE THE FULL TWO INCHES, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY COME CLOSE TO IT, MAYBE AN INCH OR SOMETHING. UM, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER SEVERAL, UH, ADDENDUM REQUESTS THAT WERE MORE OR LESS DENIED AND REQUIRED OVER INSULATION TO CREATE THE DEPTH STAFF WOULD KNOW BETTER. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, WE ALSO HAVE CONSIDERED, UH, A VARIETY OF SOLUTIONS, PARTICULARLY WHERE THERE ARE BALCONIES. YOU KNOW, THE SHADOW LINE ISSUE IS, UH, IS, IS LESS OF AN ISSUE WHERE THERE ARE BALCONIES, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CORNER HERE, WE SEE THE FIXED WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN THE TWO SINGLE HUNGS, THE TOP, THE TOP TWO PANELS OF THE SINGLE HUNG, AND THE ENTIRE PANE OF THE FIXED WINDOW IS FLUSH WITH THE BOARD AND BATTEN WITH VIRTUALLY NO SHADOW LINE. I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE WE TYPICALLY FOCUS OUR ENERGY. AND IT'S, IT'S COMMON THAT THESE CORNERS ARE FULL MASONRY CORNERS SO THAT THOSE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS HAVE THE APPROPRIATE DEPTH THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SORT DISTRICTS AND ALONG THE, ON, ALONG THE RIO. UM, SORRY, IT'S THE BEST I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. WELL, WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO ADD, ADD TO THE, TO DIALOGUE. LOOK, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HAD, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND EVEN, UM, WHAT DO YOU CALL, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? THAT BREAK, THEY KIND OF BREAK THE RULES OF THE, THE, THE SPIRIT OF WHAT RULE WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE INSTALLATION OF A, OF A, OF A ONE BY, OF A TWO BY MATERIAL, RIGHT? THAT INCREASES THE SHADOW LINE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU REALLY WOULD NEVER USE A TWO BY FOUR OR A TWO BY SIX FOR A TRIM BOARD IN, IN A HISTORIC CONTEXT. BUT YET IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE SHADOW LINE, WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT. AND IT'S VERY HARD TO KIND OF LIKE STAY OUT OF THE DIALOGUE BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT REALLY PROMOTES THE, UH, TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT, UH, PHILOSOPHY. BECAUSE IF, IF WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WINDOWS RELATIONSHIP TO WALL, THERE'S A GREATER CONVERSATION ABOUT WALL IN ITSELF. THAT WALL IS WALL, AND THE TRUEST STATEMENT OF A WALL IS THAT THE WALL IS, UM, UH, A TRUE STATEMENT FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. SO IF YOU CAN GO TO, UM, PAGE 1 92 AND THEN, AND THEN ZOOM IN ON THE WINDOW DETAIL THAT THE, THE ONE THING THAT WOULD INFORM THE PLACEMENT OF THIS WINDOW AND THE CONTEXT OF THIS WINDOW SAYING THAT A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW, THIS WINDOW'S HISTORIC VALUE HAS THE SAME VALUE AS A WINDOW A HUNDRED YEARS OLD TODAY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT A WINDOW IN THE ASSEMBLAGE OF A WOOD WINDOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN CUT A WINDOW AND HA UH, UH, TRANSECT A WINDOW DOWN THE MIDDLE AND YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE WINDOW IS WITH RESPECT TO IT DELIVERING THE, ITS GRAVITATIONAL OF FORCES, RIGHT? OF, OF, OF, OF MOISTURE AND, AND, AND, AND WATER INFILTRATION TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL. AND WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO GO, THE MOISTURE IS SUPPOSED TO GO. AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD BUILDING AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT BUILDING SURVIVES WITHOUT ANY WATERPROOFING WHATSOEVER, RIGHT? SO LONG AS THE BUILDING IS ABLE TO DRY, WET, DRY, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS IN ITS NATURAL WAY TODAY, THE DEMAND IS FOR A HERMETICALLY SEALED BUILDING THAT IF YOU USE HISTORIC PRINCIPLES, YOU ARE CREATING WHAT WE KNOW AS A SIX BUILDING SYNDROME THROUGH THE CREATION OF MOLD AND MILDEW AND ALL THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? ALL THAT MEANS THAT IS AT SOME POINT YOU, THERE, [01:35:01] THERE'S A GREATER KIND OF PHILOSOPHICAL GAIN THAT IS MAINTAINING WALL AS A TRUE STATEMENT, RIGHT? THAT, THAT MIGHT BE NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE CONVERSATION TO HAVE HERE AT THIS COMMISSION, BUT WITH RESPECT TO, UH, WHAT WE ARE, ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE IN, IN, IN RESPECT OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, WE'RE TRYING TO RESPECT THE TRUEST STATEMENT OF THOSE CONSTRUCTS BECAUSE THE FURTHER BACK YOU GO, THE MORE TRUE THE ARCHITECTURAL ASSEMBLAGE IS. RIGHT? THAT'S NOT SO TRUE TODAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, YOU CAN MAKE IT, WHAT ARE THEY MAKING BUILDINGS NOW USING, UH, DIGITAL PRINTERS, RIGHT? USING PLASTIC PRINTERS. SEE, SO WHAT'S TRUE, RIGHT? WE'RE ENTERING INTO A WORLD OF, OF, OF THE LIE, RIGHT? WHICH IS, UH, WHAT WAS VENTURI'S BOOK? I, I, UH, ABOUT CONTRADICTION? UH, I FORGET THE NAME OF THE BOOK. WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DETAIL, THE DETAIL IS TELLING US HOW THAT WINDOW IS, IS DELIVERING ITS MOISTURE PROPERTIES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SHEATHING, WHICH THEN HAS A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF PRINCIPLES WITH RESPECT TO YOUR WATERPROOFING, YOUR TYVEK, OR WHATEVER IT IS. SO IF WE'RE PRO, WHERE IF WE'RE APPROVING A, UH, A, A A, A WALL ASSEMBLAGE THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE DAY, THEN IT NOW BECOMES A QUESTION OF THE MASTERY OF DESIGN AND HOW, HOW THE DESIGNER PLACES IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HISTORIC ENVIRONMENT. AND THERE'S A COMPROMISE THAT WE CAN'T IGNORE. THE COMPROMISES THE USE OF MATERIAL WITHIN THE SYSTEM THAT IS BEING PRESENTED AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A BALANCED OUTCOME THAT GIVES US THE SENSE OF THE GUIDELINE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THIS BUILDING IT, IT BASICALLY DOES IT. AND, AND, AND, AND TO DESIGN, UH, ON TOP OF THIS, WE'RE REALLY NOT RECOMMENDING WAYS TO DO IT. WE'RE RECOMMENDING WAYS TO BREAK THE, THE STANDARD RECOMMENDATION OF INSTALLATION OF THESE MATERIALS IN THEIR TRUIST FORM, WHICH, WHICH ALSO MEANS THAT THEY'RE, UM, WARRANTIED, RIGHT? AND THAT'S FROM THE CONTRACTOR, BUT IT'S ALSO TO THE, THE PRO TO THE PRODUCT, UH, UH, MANUFACTURER. SO IN THAT, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A VISUAL PLANE, UH, A CRITIQUE. I THINK WE'RE GETTING BEYOND THE VISUAL PLANE CRITIQUE, AND WE'RE GETTING INTO THE, THE, THE, WELL, WE WISH THAT THEY MANUFACTURED WINDOWS THIS WAY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, RIGHT? AND IN, IN THIS CONTEXT, IF IT'S NOT A MARVIN OR APELLA WITH ALL OF THE, UH, COSTS THAT COME WITH IT, IT'S THIS WINDOW THAT OBVIOUSLY HAS A, AN ELEMENT, UH, OF A VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT'S INTENDED TO GO OVER THE FIRST LAYER OF SHEATHING SO THAT THEN THEY CAN COME TO THE SECOND LAYER OF SHEATHING. THAT IS, THAT IS EVEN A BETTER SYSTEM THAN THE OLD SYSTEM. I WOULD WONDER MORE THAN ANYTHING, IF YOU WERE GOING TO INCREASE THE SHADOW LINE, THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE TO TAKE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE FIBER CEMENT BOARD UP BEHIND THE FIN ALL THE WAY UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW. AND TO PUSH THAT TRUE ONE BY MATERIAL FURTHER OUT, YOU MIGHT GAIN A THREE QUARTER INCH SHADOW MAXIMUM SO THAT IT'S NOT AN INCH AND A HALF, IT'S JUST THAT THREE QUARTER INCH MAXIMUM. I WOULDN'T, UH, WANNA GET IN THE WAY OF THE DESIGNER AND TELL THE DESIGNER TO DO THAT BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UM, UM, THE DOMINO EFFECT IS WITH RESPECT TO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A, A REASONABLE GESTURE RESPECTING THE MATERIALS AND THE, AND, AND THE TRUTH OF THIS WALL ASSEMBLAGE. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE OUR DIALOGUE IS, RIGHT? OUR DIALOGUE IS REALLY LIKE CHANGE WISH WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WISHING THE WINDOW WAS A DIFFERENT WINDOW, WISHING THE WALL WAS A DIFFERENT WALL, UH, WISHING THE SECOND FLOOR WAS ON THE WISHING THE FIRST FLOOR WENT ALL THE WAY UP. BUT I THINK THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITIES TO PUSH THE, THE TRIM BOARD FURTHER OUT. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE IT AS, AS, UH, AS, UH, SUBMITTED WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, EXCEPT FOR TWO, THAT ENABLES THE DESIGNER TO DESIGN, UH, TO, TO, TO KEEP THE WINDOWS AS PRESENTED. OKAY. UM, THAT COULD BE A MOTION. I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE DEPTH OF THE UP BOARD AND BATTEN AND, UM, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, THIS PARTICULAR ALUMINUM WINDOW HAS OPTIONS FOR A DEEPER SILL EXTENSION, UH, AND A, UH, DIFFERENT HEAD FLASHING. UH, BUT THERE ARE OTHER MANUFACTURERS WHO, WHO HAVE, UM, AC ACCESSORIES TO, UH, ENABLE THE ALUMINUM FRAME TO BE PUSHED FURTHER IN FROM THE, UH, FACADE OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO REALLY LOOK AT, UM, [01:40:01] GETTING AS MUCH DEPTH TO THESE WINDOWS IS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE FLAT PLANES OF GLASS IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE BOR AND BATTEN SIDING. YEAH. THANK YOU TO, TO CLARIFY THE, UM, WINDOWS SYSTEMS ARE, ARE VINYL, NOT ALUMINUM. UH, THE GROUND FLOOR WINDOWS AROUND THE CLUB, CLUB CENTER OR AMENITY CENTER ARE ALUMINUM, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS ARE A VINYL WINDOW SYSTEM. AND YOU KNOW, THE GLASS IS NOT RUNNING PARALLEL OR CONCURRENT WITH THE BOARD AND BAT SIDING. I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A, A RECESS, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE TWO INCHES. IT'S GONNA BE ANYWHERE FROM A HALF INCH TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE UP TO A FULL INCH. SO THERE IS GOING TO BE A, A SLIGHT RECESS PRESENT, WHICH IS GONNA THROW OFF A SHADOW LINE. NO DOUBT. WE'RE JUST NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A FULL TWO INCHES WITH THE, CAN ZOOM IN ON, CAN THAT STAFF ZOOM IN ON THE HEAD DETAIL THAT'S ON RIGHT IN FRONT OF US FOR THE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SHEET ON THE TOP FOR THE BRICK OR THE, NO, THE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. NO, RIGHT THERE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WHEN WE SEE THESE INSTALLED LIKE THIS, THE GLASS IS IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE FIBER CEMENT BOARD. AND THIS ILLUSTRATION IS SHOWING EXACTLY THAT THERE'S NO RECESS FROM THE PANEL OF GLASS TO THE FINISH FACE OF THE, OF THE WALL BEYOND. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRIM AND THERE WAS SOME MENTION OF OVER TRIM CREATING A SHADOW. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION HERE, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE TRIM PIECE AND THE PANEL TO THE DIMENSION. YOU'RE SEAT, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR, WHAT MY CONCERN IS IS THAT THAT UPPER PANEL GLASS AND ALL THOSE FIXED WINDOWS, THE GLASSES IN MORE OR LESS IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE FINISHED MATERIAL, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO, TO GET THIS, TO GET THIS, UH, RESOLVED AND APPROVED. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE MORE TIME, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS ONLY AT THOSE CORNERS WHERE WE HAVE THESE FIXED WINDOWS ON THOSE CORNERS, AND I THINK THAT'S DOWN TO TWO WINDOWS. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF MIDDLE GROUND WE CAN FIND WHERE WE CAN GET SHADOW LINE ON THOSE CORNERS WHERE THERE'S NO BALCONIES OR FEATURES IN THIS GLASSES IN, IN MY VIEW, IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE FINISHED MATERIAL. AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THIS DRAWING? NO, COMMISSIONER FISH. I WAS JUST GONNA GO TO THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMPROMISE. SO WHAT I WAS GONNA PROPOSE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL JUST STUFF WE APPROVE THOSE VINYL WINDOWS. THERE'S A, THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY STANDARDS IN THE U D C DO NOT SPECIFY A MATERIAL. OKAY? NO, I MEAN, LIKE IT'S PART OF THE PROJECT INDUSTRY, CORRECT? SO THE VINYL, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN A MATERIAL CHANGE IN BETWEEN NO, NO. A VINYL WINDOW IS, IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION. I MEAN, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THE DARK COLOR, SO WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. UM, IT'S JUST THE COM COMMISSION WOULD ACTUALLY NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THE U D C STANDARD FOR THE TWO ENTRY SETS. AND I, AND I KIND OF AGREE, UM, THE, THE PROBLEM ARE SPECIFICALLY THE CORNER, BUT ALSO SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE LIKE NOT DOUBLE HUNG THE, I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER FENESTRATION, ANOTHER, ANOTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THERE WERE LIKE, UH, JUST A SINGLE PAN. MAYBE IT'S THE HALLWAY ELEVATORS KEEP GOING, UH, KEEP GOING, RIGHT THERE. THERE'S ONE EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE IN BETWEEN, UM, THOSE BUILDINGS, I THINK THAT WE COULD ACCEPT THAT. SO I MEAN, OKAY, BASICALLY THE COMPROMISE WAS GONNA BE IN THE PROMINENT CORNERS LIKE THESE WHERE THE BOARD AND BATTEN, UM, KIND OF HAVE THESE THREE AND NOT IN THE BALCONIES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APP, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT JUST ACCEPTING YEAH, THE NO SHADOW LINE, UM, WHERE THERE'S BALCONIES OR AN OVERHANG OR WHEN THERE ARE KIND OF LIKE RECESS IN THE BACK BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS, WHICH WILL CREATE SHADOW. BUT ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD ASK IF YOU CAN USE THE SAME, UH, THE RECESS THAT YOU'RE DOING BELOW ON THE GROUND LEVEL? YES. I, I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, IT'S THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND SOUTHWEST CORNER. YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD SAY THE PROMINENT ELEVATIONS OR PROMINENT CORNERS OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, WE PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS TO GIVE IT A SHADOW LINE, WHETHER WE PROVIDE AN AWNING ABOVE EACH OF THOSE HARD CORNERS. UM, OR WELL, ACTUALLY NO, I DECENT, IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND MONEY ON, ON THAT TYPE OF WINDOW WHERE YOU CAN CREATE THE RECESS FOR THE BOTTOM FLOOR, I WOULD JUST USE THOSE WINDOWS ON THE UPPER FLOORS. I MEAN, OR WELL, IT'S 'CAUSE IT, IT'S IN BRICK. [01:45:01] THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT RECESSED. SO WE WOULD'VE TO CHANGE THE BUILDING ELEVATION ABOVE LEVEL ONE TO BE MASON. WELL, I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE NEW, UM, LIKE OVERHANGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE CONSIDER ANOTHER MATERIAL OF WINDOW OR ANOTHER BRAND OF MATERIAL THAT WOULD CREATE THAT RECESS. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S MORE WHERE I'M GOING. MAYBE YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER, UM, MANUFACTURER THAT COULD CREATE THAT RECESS. BUT I DON'T, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND INTRODUCING NEW OVERHANGS OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, MR. CHAIR, THE, THE, THE ELEVATION, I MEAN THE, THE, THE DETAIL THAT STAFF PULLED UP OF THE SILL IS, IS KIND OF A, A SMART DETAIL. THE ONLY THING IS THAT YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T LOOK AT THIS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SUBMIT THE SILL, UH, I MEAN THE, THE, THE HEADER WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE SILL. BECAUSE IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN OLD BUILDING THAT HAS TWO BY FOUR CONSTRUCTION, THE UPPER SILL, I MEAN THE UPPER SASH IS ALWAYS FURTHER OUT THAN THE INNER SASH THAN THE LOWER SASH. AND IF YOU HAVE SASHES THAT ARE AN INCH AND, AND A QUARTER WIDE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT TWO AND A HALF INCHES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS HERE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THERE'S A DIFFERENT TRANSLATION IN, IN THE MODERN, IN IN THE WHOLE, IN THE WHOLE, IN THE ONE PIECE WINDOW VERSUS THE CONSTRUCTED WINDOW IS THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF. UM, I'M, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE, THE, THE APPLICANT WHY, UM, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T CONSIDER RUNNING THE, THE BOARD AND BATTEN ALL THE WAY UP UNDERNEATH THE, THAT WINDOW AS SHOWN IN THAT, THAT PAGE ON 1 21, 1 92 IN THE, IN THE SILL ALL THE WAY UP AND THEN MOVING THAT TRIM BOARD IN THESE LOCATIONS, MOVING THAT TRIM BOARD OUT TO BE ON TOP OF THE, THE BOARD, BUT YET ABOVE THE BATTEN AND MIRE THE TOP OF THE, OF THE TRIM BOARD SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE WATER ISSUES. RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE BOARD WILL STILL BE ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN INCH, IF NOT THREE EIGHTHS OF AN INCH UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW WHERE YOU CAULK IT. AND THAT WAY YOU'LL INCREASE THAT SHADOW AT THE TOP AND AT THE BOTTOM AND ALL THE WAY AROUND. YOU CAN USE THE WINDOW THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING WE APPROVED THAT WE, THAT WE DID HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SAID BECAUSE THEY WERE SUBORDINATED TO THE TOP ASPECT OF IT. AND THEN YOUR DETAIL WOULD BE A MUCH TRUER DETAIL THAN THIS DETAIL THAT, THAT, THAT IS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF ODD THAT YOUR TRIM BOARD IS BEHIND THE, THE BOARD AND, AND YET IT COULD STILL STAY ABOVE THE BATTEN, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. UM, I'M REAL RELUCTANT TO MAKE DESIGN CHANGES BY COMMITTEE. UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE, OPTIONS TO PUSH OUT OPTIONS TO, OR OPTIONS TO PUSH IN. UM, I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE MAKE A MOTION WITH SOME SORT OF STIPULATION OR SEND THIS BACK TO D R C FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT RATHER THAN TRYING TO DESIGN THIS AT THE HEARING. YEAH, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SIR. I, I'M MORE TRYING TO, UM, UH, ENCOURAGE A, A RESPONSE THAT CAN ENABLE US TO LEAVE WITH A FINAL DECISION SO THAT THEY CAN GO ON AND BUILD THE BUILDING THAT HAS ALREADY PASSED CONCEPTUAL. AND FOR THE MOST PART IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE ITEM BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW IT'S ADDRESSED AT THE BRICK. EVERYBODY'S FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE BRICK GOES THREE, YOU KNOW, TWO, THREE INCHES IN, INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, UH, OFFSET FROM THE WINDOW. IT'S JUST THIS SIMPLE LITTLE SITUATION HERE AND WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED KIND OF THE VINYL WINDOW. WELL THEN CAN WE GET A MOTION WITH THE STIPULATION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS WINDOW? SURE. I I, I'D MAKE A MOTION. WELL, WELL I, I'M, I'M, I'M LOOKING TO GET SOME KIND OF A, A A OF A, OF AN IDEA WHETHER THE APPLICANT SEES ANYTHING THAT THEY THINK THAT WITH THEIR WISDOM COULD, THEY COULD JUMP AT AND SAY, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT, BUT WITHOUT THE APPLICANT. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. COMMISSIONER, CHAIRMAN. SORRY. I WAS COMMISSIONER FISH CHAIRMAN. I, I, I, I, EXCUSE ME. I THERE'S A DELAY. APOLOGIES. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER FISH. I MEAN THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A VERY CLEAR AND SIMPLE REQUEST. I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS REQUEST UP IF, IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T GET A MAJORITY SUPPORT ON THE MOTION, WE CAN DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS. I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND UH, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE SUPPORT, WE NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH IT. WE CAN EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS IN A D R C AND I'LL SECOND [01:50:01] WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY LAST DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS, UH, GIBBS IS ABSENT. UM, FISH AYE. SAVINA NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP NAY ANTE, NO. AND FEDOR NAY MOTION FAILS. SO UNLESS WE HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS NEEDS A, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS NEEDS ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. SO I MOVE TO DEFER THIS TO A D R C. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. SABINA AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY GROUP? AYE. ANTES? YES. AND AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. UM, SORRY, THIS IS JACKSON. YES, SIR. WHAT CAN Y'ALL WALK ME THROUGH THIS D R C PROCESS? I'M ASSUMING THAT STANDS FOR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT FOR PROBABLY NEXT WEEK. AND THEN, UH, HOPEFULLY WITH YOURSELF AND ANY OF YOUR OTHER, THE ARCHITECT, THE YOUR WATERPROOFING CONSULTANT, ANY, UH, OPTIONS YOU CAN COME UP WITH FOR, UH, ADDRESSING COMMISSION'S CONCERNS. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MORE INFORMALLY AND MORE IN DEPTH AND, UH, GIVE THIS THE ATTENTION IT NEEDS. AND THEN YOU WOULD BE ON THE NEXT, UH, COMMISSION AGENDA. OKAY. SO THE NEXT COMMISSION AGENDA IS GONNA BE BASED OFF THE DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK WITH THE D R C? YES. OKAY. UM, I'M HAPPY TO TRY AND GET SOME ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL ON THE CALL, BUT I MEAN, OUR STANCE ISN'T GONNA CHANGE. WE SPENT A LOT OF HOURS WORKING WITH ALL THESE CONSULTANTS AND YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE WATERPROOFING CONSULTANT TO DESIGN A WINDOW THAT'S IMPENETRABLE AND WE BELIEVE IF WE CHANGE THE DESIGN, IT'S GONNA HURT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT, AND THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TO BE HONEST. I'M TELLING YOU THAT. WELL, WE'VE MADE A MOTION AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED TO SEND THIS TO D R C. THERE WAS A PREVIOUS MOTION TO APPROVE YOUR DESIGN AND IT WA IT DID NOT, UH, RECEIVE, UH, COMMISSION APPROVAL. SO, UH, WE MOVE THIS TO D R C FOR DISCUSSION AT THE, UH, NEXT WEEK, SIR, WE'LL GET WITH YOU ON THE SCHEDULE, BUT WE'LL NEED TO MOVE ON. ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND MS. ERMAN, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. PERFECT. CLAUDIA, GO AHEAD AND START THE CASE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H C I C. CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 1 7 ADDRESS, 5 27 HAYES STREET. APPLICANT MEGAN ERMAN IS HERE. VIRTUALLY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE COVER EXISTING TAN BRICK WITH WHITE LIME WASH TWO, REPLACE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW VINYL WINDOWS AND THREE, ADD BLACK SHUTTERS TO THE FRONT OF WINDOWS. UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE STAFF DOES NOT APPROVE. ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PAINTING LIME WASH OF BRICK. BASED ON FINDING B STAFF, REMEN RECOMMENDS THE REMAIN UNPAINTED. UM, NUMBER TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH WHITE VINYL WINDOW. AS NOTED IN FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS AND REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. AND LASTLY, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF WOOD SHUTTERS BASED ON FINDING D. YES, WELCOME MS. SOLOMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, DISCUSS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOUR REQUEST? SURE. UM, SO ORIGINALLY I HAD WANTED TO PAINT THE BRICK, BUT THEN, UM, THAT WAS NOT FOR THE, UH, STANDARDS AND SO I DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND, UM, A WASH. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS WOULD BE TO TRY TO UNIFY THE BRICK ON THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DAMAGE. UH, THE HOME IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING SOME FOUNDATION REPAIR, AND SO JUST [01:55:01] IN ORDER TO TRY TO MAKE THE EXTERIOR LOOK BETTER THAN IT IS, THE LIME WASH THAT I FOUND IS BREATHABLE. UM, AND IT DOES WASH OFF OVER TIME. UM, IT IS TRULY, UM, NOT A PAINT. AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT, UM, STILL MEET THE GUIDELINES OF NOT BEING PAINT. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST ISSUE. OKAY. SHALL UM, SHALL WE DEAL WITH THESE ONE ON ONE BY ONE OR, OR JUST I CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE TOO, IF YOU'D LIKE. YES. THE OTHER ONE WAS, UM, THE WINDOWS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE NOT, UM, THAT THE VITAL ONES DON'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF THE NAIL FIN. UM, AND SO REALLY I'M OPEN TO IDEAS FOR THAT. UM, I DON'T KNOW, THE WINDOWS RIGHT NOW ARE INOPERABLE AND THEY'RE BROKEN PANS AND THAT THEY'RE JUST, UM, I THINK UNFORTUNATELY LAST WEEK SOME, UH, METH HEADS GOT INTO THE PROJECT AND UH, BROKE SOME WINDOWS IN ADDITION. SO THEY DEFINITELY NEED TO BE REPLACED. UM, I NEED TO FIGURE OUT, I GUESS WHAT 'CAUSE THE, IT WAS VERY VAGUE, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE, UM, FOR A 1970 HOUSE. UM, I KNOW THAT WITHIN THE DIGNA WITTY HILL, UM, DISTRICT, MOST OF THE HOMES WERE BUILT IN THE, YOU KNOW, 19 TO 1920S. AND SO THIS ONE IS KIND OF LIKE OUT OF PLACE, BUT I WANNA CONTINUE TO KEEP IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HISTORIC STYLE. SO, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY HAD THE SAME STANDARDS IN 1970 AS THEY DID IN 1920. UM, SO JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO FOR THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. AND THEN THE THIRD THING WAS SHUTTER. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER, UM, OPTION I THOUGHT OF VERSUS THE LINE WASH TO COVER UP SOME OF THE BRICK IN THE FRONT JUST TO ADD SOME CURB APPEAL. AND IN 1960S AND SEVENTIES, UM, FO SHUTTERS BECAME REALLY POPULAR, UM, WITHIN THAT, THAT TIME PERIOD. UH, SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, OKAY, THIS MIGHT BE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND, UH, MEET YOUR STANDARDS, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN TO IDEAS AND DISCUSSION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS OR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? YES, WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. HELLO, MY NAME IS ES AND I RESIDED AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIG WITTY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH ONE 17 LOCATED AT 5 27 HAY STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. THERE SHOULD BE NO VINYL WINDOWS ALLOWED. THANK YOU. OKAY, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER, CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. I COULD ASK THE, A APPLICANT TO DIRECT US TO IMAGES THAT SHOW, UM, I GUESS DISCO CONGRUENT, UH, BRICK BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE AND WE DIDN'T FIND A LOT OF AREAS THAT WERE GONNA BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED. SO COULD YOU DRAW US DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO AREAS WHERE THE BRICK NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED AND IT WOULDN'T BE IN A MATCHING CONFIGURATION? UM, SO IN LOOKING FOR THE SAME MATERIALS, I COULD NOT FIND MATCHING BRICK AND THERE'S BRICK THAT IS, UM, I GUESS THE SECOND PAGE POSSIBLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ZOOM IN ON IT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A CLOSER PICTURE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE IS DEFINITELY LIKE SIGNIFICANT, UM, DIAGONAL BREAKAGE THROUGHOUT THE BRICK AND SO WITHOUT THAT, THAT BRICK WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED. UM, YEAH, ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, I THINK I HAVE SOME'S SOME FOLLOW UP. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S LIKE CLOSER PICTURES. IT MIGHT BE ON THE FOURTH PAGE. I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE, IS IS THERE A PLAN TO REPLACE THIS BRICK? I WOULD LIKE TO, YEAH. SO, WELL THERE WAS, UM, IT WAS APPROVED TO RE UM, I'M THINKING OF THE WORD RIGHT NOW, NOT PLASTER, BUT GROUT OR, UM, REPOINT. REPOINT, YEAH, SOME OF THE MORTAR LIKE REPLACE, LIKE FILL IT IN WITH MORTAR AS AN OPTION AND I'D BE OPEN TO DOING THAT AS WELL. BUT I WANTED TO PULL OUT SOME OF THE BRICKS THAT WERE BROKEN IN HALF AND REPLACE THEM, BUT I COULD NOT FIND A BRICK MATCH. UM, I WENT TO OVER TO ACNE [02:00:01] BRICK OVER IN UH, SELMA SHIRTS AREA AND LOOKED AT THEIR BRICK YARD AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WAS THE PERFECT COLOR. UM, AND SO THAT WAS WHERE I WAS LIKE, WELL COULD UNIFY THE BRICK BY REPLACING, YOU KNOW, FINDING A SIMILAR SI UH, SHAPE BRICK TO STICK IN THERE INSTEAD, UM, AND THEN LINE WASH IT SO THAT IT MATCHES THE REST. OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION WAS WHAT, HOW MU WHAT PERCENTAGE OF BRICK IS GOING TO BE JUST ? THERE'S ONLY, YEAH, THERE'S ONLY REMOVAL REPLACEMENT. OH, OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 5%. UM, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 20 BRICKS, THEY'RE MOSTLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, IN THE DIAGONAL SHAPE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. I'M NOT, IS CONCERNED BECAUSE THAT ONE IS NOT FACING THE STREET. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS THERE MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, I MEAN HAS THERE BEEN ANY FOUNDATION WORK DONE ALREADY OR ARE WE, OR DO YOU THINK THAT YES, THIS WILL BE CONTINUED. IT'S CURRENTLY INTO PROGRESS. IN PROGRESS. SO YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED, YOU'RE DOING A STEEL, UM, THE STEEL PIERS INSTEAD OF THE CONCRETE PIERS AND THEY'VE ALREADY DUG MOST OF THE HOLES AND EVERYTHING IS, UM, UNDERWAY BECAUSE I MEAN, FROM PICTURE ON SLIDE NINE, IT, I THINK IT IS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. I MEAN THERE'S A LOT OF THE GROUT AND YOU SAID IT'S ABOUT 20 BRICKS THAT ARE BROKEN IN HALF, WHICH ALSO COULD BE, UM, FIXED WITH A GROUT SIMILAR TO THE COLOR OF THE BRICK. I MEAN, YOU COULD MINIMIZE THE VISUALITY OF IT AND I THINK IT'S LIKE NINE BOTTOM PICTURE. I'M JUST NOT, UH, SURE THAT FOR A 5% OR 20 BRICKS OR, UH, THAT WOULD REASON ENOUGH FOR A FULL, UM, YOU KNOW, PAINT OR LINE WASHER OFF THE BRICKS. I WANNA TIE BY THE WINDOWS. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH WAS PROBABLY COMMON IN THE SEVENTIES AND THIS HOUSE, OR MAYBE THIS AGE OF THE HOUSE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE YOU CAN INSTALL VINYL WINDOWS ON THESE OPENINGS EVEN THOUGH YOU FIND THE RIGHT SIZE BASED ON THE BRICK AND THE THICKNESS OF THE WALLS. SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE. I HAD THE GUY COME IN AND HE, HE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO THE VINYL, BUT, AND HE SAID THAT IT WOULD BE EASY TO DO BECAUSE IT'S BRICK. BUT, UM, I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, I'M, AGAIN, I'M OPEN IF YOU WE NEED TO DO ALUMINUM, THAT'S FINE TOO. UM, IT'S JUST, AND NORMALLY WE WOULD ACCEPT THE ALUMINUM. I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXTENSIVE OF A WHOLE FULL WINDOW REPLACEMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF STAFF DIDN'T INDICATE THAT IN THEIR, IN THEIR FINDINGS, BUT IF THERE ARE LEANING, UH, IF WE COULD DO A FULL REPLACEMENT IN KIND, IF THAT WOULD BE A, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF ALL THE WINDOWS, BUT THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE BRICK, UM, OR THE DAMAGE ON THE BRICK AND IF IT'S JUST A FEW MINOR SPOTS, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE ECONOMICAL TO REPAIR THOSE AREAS, UM, INSTEAD OF IN LIEU OF EVEN A LIME WASH. BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU DO A LIME WASH, IT DOES FADE, BUT IN ORDER TO REMOVE IT COMPLETELY FROM THE GROUT AND THE BRICK OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT, TO REVERT IT BACK TO THAT BRICK FINISH, ONE WOULD NEED A POWER WASHER AND THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF DAMAGING THE COATING ON THE BRICK AND THE MORTAR AND ALL OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. SO, UM, IT'S, UM, INITIALLY IT MAY SEEM LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO COVER IT WITH THE LIME WASH, BUT OVER TIME IT, YOU MAY FIND IT'S NOT A GOOD LONG-TERM SOLUTION BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF THE BRICK AND THE SITUATION AND BECAUSE OF THE WINDOW. I'M WONDERING IF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD ENTERTAIN A D R C SITE VISIT AND IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING ALSO, MS. MANN? YES. I, I MEAN MOSTLY TOO, I MEAN, I'M PRETTY FLEXIBLE, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST TRYING TO THINK OF SOLUTIONS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INCONSISTENCIES IN THE BRICK AND UM, BUT MOSTLY I, I DO NEED TO GET THOSE WINDOWS, THOSE WINDOWS ARE PAIRED. AND AS FAR AS TRYING TO FIND WHAT THE GUIDELINES WERE FOR THAT, THAT WAS WHERE MY MAIN CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DO THE, UM, THE GROUT OR THE MORTAR REPAIR AND INSTEAD OF REPLACING THE BRICKS, UM, AND, AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE OUTSIDE. UM, 'CAUSE IT IS QUITE AN EYESORE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. UM, AND THEN JUST THE WINDOWS AGAIN. YEAH, JUST REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON THOSE. SO THE D R C WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT, WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING [02:05:01] FOR FOR THE WINDOWS. WELL, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL YEAH, FOR ALL OF US AND STAFF TOO, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU POINTED OUT A REALLY GOOD POINT AND THAT IS MID-CENTURY, UH, RANCH HOUSES AREN'T REALLY BEING HANDLED AND PROCESSED THE SAME WAY AS OUR WOOD FRAME HISTORIC HOUSES ARE. YET YOU ARE IN A DESIGNATED DISTRICT. SO, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS IS ONE OF THE BIG, BIG CONCERNS BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND TO PUT A WOOD WINDOW IN THAT MEETS MATCHES OR GOES WITH THE WINDOW STANDARD JUST WOULD NOT BE THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE RIGHT THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A D R C'S SITE VISIT. MR. MR. CHAIR, I'LL SECOND. UH, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. I, I WANT TO, BUT I, I WANT TO JUST ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS TO IT. UM, J JUST TO KINDA SHOOT STRAIGHT WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, IT IN IT, THE, THE MASS OF, OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF YOUR PROPOSAL IS A BRICK STRUCTURE. SO ANY ALTERATION TO THE BRICK, WHICH I KNOW THAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR PAINTING BEFORE, I JUST CAME FROM WASHINGTON, DC AND ALL THE BRICK OVER THERE IS PAINTED, YOU KNOW, OVER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T, UH, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHY FOR PAINTING BRICK. I, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. POSSIBLY THE, THE DC BRICK IS DIFFERENT THAN THE, THAN THE TEXAS BRICK. MAYBE IT'S MORE POROUS OR SOMETHING. BUT, UM, I THINK THE ONE, UH, COMMON ELEMENT THAT IS THE DEFINING ELEMENT OF THIS HOUSE IS THE BRICK. SO IN A WAY, I I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU JUST SCRATCH THE, THE, THE WHITE WASHING OR ANYTHING THAT, THAT SAYS THAT IF THE FACADE OF THIS BUILDING IS AT 80, I WOULD SAY 90%, 80% BRICK, THEN THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT FOLLOWING JUST THE MOST BASIC STANDARD GUIDELINE THAT IT'S GONNA STAY BRICK, RIGHT? UH, SO I THINK IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ON THE WINDOWS, BUT I THINK WHAT THE WINDOWS DO IS THEY, THEY GIVE REALLY QUITE A BIT OF, UH, CHALLENGE TO THE COMMISSION HERE BECAUSE THESE WINDOWS, THIS TYPE OF WINDOW IS, IS FROM VISUAL INSPECTION OF THE PICTURES IS KIND OF THE LOWEST STANDARD OF WINDOW, RIGHT? BUT IF IT'S THE HISTORIC WINDOW, THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT TOOTH AND NAIL, WE WOULD FIGHT FOR YOU NOT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THESE WINDOWS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO STAY WITH THIS SUBSTANDARD LOWEST QUALITY ALUMINUM WINDOW JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. RIGHT. NOW, BEYOND THAT ARGUMENT, THEN WE WOULD ENTER INTO A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE LANGUAGE OF IT BEING THE LOWEST, UH, K KIND OF STANDARD, UH, OF, OR REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE OF AFFORDABILITY THAT THEN IS IT A QUESTION OF, OF A LANG ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE THAT, THAT IS BASED ON AFFORDABILITY OR IS IT AN ARCHITECTURAL LANGUAGE THAT'S BASED ON MATERIALITY, IN WHICH CASE AN ALUMINUM WINDOW TODAY ISN'T EVEN BUILT IN THE WAY THAT THAT WINDOW IS BUILT. RIGHT? SO I WOULD FOCUS MY ATTENTION ON, UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE HOUSE IS THE AIR INFILTRATION AND, AND MOISTURE INFILTRATION, WHICH IS THE WINDOW. AND, AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PHILOSOPHY IS BEHIND WHAT WINDOW YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH, BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S VINYL OR WHETHER IT'S ALUMINUM AT THE LOWEST STANDARD, IT'S GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME INSTALLATION PROCESS. IT'S GONNA BE A FIN WINDOW OR A FIN WINDOW. YOU CUT THE FIN OFF. UH, IN THAT, UM, I THINK YOU COULD SAVE YOURSELF A LOT OF TIME BY, BY, UH, UH, UH, PULLING THE WHITEWASHING OFF AND, AND FOCUSING OUR D R C JUST ON THE WINDOWS, IN WHICH CASE, UH, IT GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD VISUAL OF WHAT'S GONNA BE THE END RESULT. RIGHT? IT'S NOT GONNA BE TOO FAR FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THESE PICTURES. UM, SO MY COMMENTS ON MY SECOND. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP. AYE ES? YES. AND FED. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU MS. SOMAN, AND SCHEDULE THAT D R C AND WE'LL BE OUT TO, UH, LOOK AT YOUR HOUSE AND DISCUSS YOUR WINDOWS WITH YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. UH, CAN I ASK A QUESTION REALLY QUICK FOR CLARITY? YES. D R C WAS FOR WINDOWS ONLY, CORRECT? WELL, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, NO, NO MA'AM. WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING. YES, WE CAN LOOK AT, YES. THANK YOU. WOULD LIKE TO RECONVENE? CALL TO ORDER THE [02:10:01] HISTORIC HONOR REVIEW COMMISSION. SO CASE NUMBER 14. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 1 96 6 19. DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN REGARDING WINDOW MATERIALS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AT SIX 19, DAWSON, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED WINDOW MUST MEET STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED, EXCUSE ME, IS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND BELOW, UH, BELOW IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WE HAVE JUST REITERATED OUR STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHICH, UH, WE COULD REMIND THE COMMISSION DON'T PROHIBIT A SPECIFIC MATERIAL, BUT HAVE CERTAIN STANDARDS, UH, THAT MAY WELL REPRESENT ONE MATERIAL OVER ANOTHER. UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, ONDA. MOBAR IS HERE. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, OKAY. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UM, TO, UM, EXPLAIN MY CASE. SO WE, UH, STARTED OUR CONSTRUCTION AND POURED THE FOUNDATION ON JULY AND WE, UM, UM, I JUST FORGOT THE WORD. UH, WE BOUGHT THE WINDOWS OF, OR WOOD WINDOWS ON SEPTEMBER, WHICH WAS FROM PILLOW WINDOW, AND WE WERE EXPECTING IT TO COME AROUND JANUARY, BUT IT'S BEEN LIKE POSTPONED AND EVERY MONTH IT JUST KEPT, YOU KNOW, KEEPS GETTING ONE MORE, UH, MONTH BACK AND, UH, UNTIL THEY PROMISED THAT THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US ON MAY. BUT OUR CONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN STOPPED FOR THREE MONTHS AND WE REALLY CANNOT SEAL THE HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE INTERIOR. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO SWITCH TO ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH WE ARE HOPEFUL TO BE ABLE TO, UM, GET THEM, UM, BASED ON THE PROMISES OF THE DELIVERY DATE OF LIKE BETWEEN FOUR TO FIVE WEEKS. SO WE CAN CONTINUE WITH OUR PROJECT AND MOST OF THEM WOULD WINDOWS. UM, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE 12 TO 14 WEEKS AND WE ARE AS SCARED THAT WE JUST GONNA GO THROUGH THE SAME, UM, SITUATION IF WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, UM, GO TO ANOTHER MANUFACTURER. SO WE WANTED TO, UM, WORK A LITTLE BIT SAFE AND GO WITH, UH, LIKE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT, UM, WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM SOONER. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? THERE IS ONE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 96, LOCATED AT SIX 19 DAWSON STREET. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. ONLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE USED. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE PROPOSED WINDOW, IT DOES NOT, WOULD YOU CLARIFY, DOES IT OR DOES IT NOT MEET THE DIMENSIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS IN THE GUIDELINES? SO THE APPLICANT'S ACTUALLY, UH, SET FORTH A HANDFUL OF DIFFERENT WINDOW PRODUCTS. UH, THIS FIRST ONE HAS A NAILING FIN. SO, UH, THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD PROHIBIT IT FROM BEING INSTALLED TO MEET STAFF STANDARDS. UH, HERE'S THE SECTION OF THAT SECOND ONE, OR EXCUSE ME, THE FIRST ONE. UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED APPLIED GYM PRODUCT. UH, THE COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY APPROVED APPLIED GYM PRODUCT IN OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT IS ALUMINUM. UH, GENERALLY IF THIS PRODUCT DOESN'T HAVE A FADI DIVIDED LIGHT AND IS INSTALLED IN A BLOCK FRAME, IT'S A BIT MORE, IT'S A BIT CLOSER TO, UM, STAFF STANDARDS. HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T MEET STAFF STANDARDS. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE NAILING FIN WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED SO THAT IT COULD ACTUALLY BE RECESSED WITHIN THE OPENING. UH, IDEALLY THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WOOD WINDOWS WOULD'VE HAD THAT ANYWAYS. UH, SO IF THE APPLICANT'S ABLE TO FIND AN ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH THE BLOCK FRAME THAT DOESN'T FEATURE PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS, UH, AND FEATURES AT TOP AND BOTTOM SASH THAT ARE EQUAL IN SIZE AND HAVE, UH, STYLES THAT ARE COMPARABLE IN SIZE, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. UH, I WILL NOTE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE SECTION OF THE PLY GYM IN FRONT OF US, UH, BUT BASED [02:15:01] ON, UH, PAST REVIEW BY THE COMMISSION, UH, UH, THE SUPPLY GYM PRODUCT HAS BEEN APPROVED IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, A NUMBER OF TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. UH, THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION HAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY, IF WE APPROVE WITH THE DIMENSIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE GUIDELINES AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT TO THE APPLICANT, THE FULL DEVOTED DIVIDED LIGHTS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? IT'S LIKE THOSE INTERNAL WHITE GRILLS THAT YOU HAVE INSIDE THE WINDOWS AND, AND, AND ALSO THE COLOR. YOU CAN HAVE WHITE WINDOWS LIKE MANUFACTURING WHITE. SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, YEAH, THEN YOU CAN GO AND LIKE MAYBE ASK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS PLEDGE, DO YOU ONLY KNOW IF THEY HAVE INVENTORY ENOUGH FOR YOU? UM, NO, NOT REALLY. EXACTLY. SO, BUT IF WE APPROVE IT WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS AND MAYBE ONCE YOU FIND A, A PRODUCT THAT YOU FIND IS AVAILABLE AND THEN JUST SUBMIT IT TO STAFF TO SAY, IS THIS ONE OKAY? YES, THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 'CAUSE ACTUALLY OUR PLAN IS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT OUR WOOD WINDOWS ARE NOT ARRIVING BUT BY MAY. AND THEN, UM, AND IT'S GONNA GET POSTPONED AGAIN. AND THEN WE WANNA SWITCH TO THE OTHER NEW WINDOWS AND ALSO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERN. I MEAN, IT IS CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO WE CAN'T REALLY REQUIRE FOR WOOD. RIGHT? SO THAT IS WHY WE WOULD ACCEPT ALUMINUM WINDOWS MM-HMM. AS LONG AS WE STAY WITHIN THE, THE DIMENSIONS OF, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. AND, AND I'LL JUST REITERATE, UM, STAFF STANDARDS, A WOOD OR AN ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW WOULD MOST, UH, READILY MEET STAFF STANDARDS, BUT STAFF STANDARDS DO NOT PROHIBIT ANY MATERIAL. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER SINO. THANK YOU. UM, YES, DELIVERY RIGHT NOW IS A NIGHTMARE, ISN'T IT? TIMELINE ON, ON MATERIALS. SO, UM, BUT I DO AGREE THAT IF YOUR PRODUCT IS COMPLYING WITH THE STANDARDS AND ONE DIMENSION THAT WASN'T MENTIONED THAT I, THAT I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT IS THE MEETING RAIL DIMENSION. THE PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF THESE NEWER PRODUCTS OR SOME OF THE LESS EXPENSIVE PRODUCTS IS THEY BULK UP ON THAT MEETING RAIL AND IT'S ALMOST SOMETIMES, ALMOST TWICE WHAT THE STANDARDS ALLOW. SO YOU'LL HAVE TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT. UM, YOU MAY ALSO WANNA LOOK AT THE ALUMINUM CLAD OR METAL CLAD WOOD WINDOW IF THE WOOD WINDOW IS NOT COMING IN. OKAY, BECAUSE ARE YOU PLANNING ON LIVING HERE? YES, YOU'RE GONNA WANT A GOOD WINDOW, YOU'RE GONNA WANT ONE THAT YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT EVERY DAY. SO DON'T, UM, I WOULD JUST, UH, UH, WARN YOU TO NOT GO TOO CHEAP OR INEXPENSIVE OR TOO EASY, UM, WITH THE WINDOWS BECAUSE, UM, AS YOU MAY HAVE A DELAYED TIMELINE DELIVERY FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS MAY BE THE SAME FOR THE OR METAL CLA WINDOWS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNING ABOUT BECAUSE WE JUST GO THROUGH THE SAME MANUFACTURERS USUALLY FOR, YOU MAY RUN INTO THE SAME THING WITH THE PLY JAM. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO, SO I WOULD SAY GET WHAT YOU WANT, GO FOR QUALITY EQUALITY, BECAUSE ONCE IT'S IN, YOU WON'T BE THINKING ABOUT THAT 2, 3, 4 MONTH DELAY. UM, BUT ALSO, UM, UM, I JUST, IF, IF YOU CAN GO WITH THE STANDARDS AND EVERY DIMENSION MEETS THOSE STANDARDS, BUT YOU PROBABLY AREN'T GONNA FIND IT IN ALY GEM PRODUCT. I THINK THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED WITH APPLY GEM, UM, IS PROBABLY ADDITIONS OR NEW THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF THE HOU BACK NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE BACK OF A HISTORIC HOUSE OR IN AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. UM, UM, BUT RECENTLY WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PLY GYM GO INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST QUALITY PRODUCT. I THINK YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE A WOOD OR METAL CLAD. ALRIGHT. BUT DO LOOK AT THE STANDARDS. THANK YOU. SO DIMENSIONS AND THAT MEETING RAIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR. MM-HMM. , MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. UH, THI THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN BEFORE THIS, UH, COMMISSION MANY TIMES IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING HER HOUSE. AND IT'S BEEN A VERY, UM, UH, GOOD, GOOD, UH, PROCESS. UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY CAME WITH A DESIGN THAT THEY REALLY WANTED AND, AND, UH, WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DIDN'T APPROVE OF CERTAIN THINGS. AND EVEN TODAY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE THAT IS PRESENTED, IT'S REALLY MORE OUR HOUSE THAN IT'S HERS. AND, AND NOW THEY, NOW, NOW THE FACT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THE HOUSE AND THAT THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE FOUNDATION [02:20:01] AND, AND CLEARLY THIS IS AN APPLICANT WHO HAS, UM, BENT OVER BACKWARDS AND, AND, AND HAS BEEN A ABOVE BOARD EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WITH THE HOUSE BEING UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND IT'S THEIR HOUSE. IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF, OF PICKING A MATERIAL AND CROSSING YOUR FINGERS THAT IT, THAT IT, THAT IT ARRIVES. BUT MOST DEFINITELY COMING HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE UP AGAINST A WALL, THEIR BACK'S UP AGAINST A WALL. THEY'VE GIVEN US A FEW OPTIONS. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE THAT IT'S INCUMBENT ON THIS COMMISSION TO ENSURE THAT THIS YOUNG LADY LEAVE EMPOWERED TO COMPLETE THEIR HOUSE IN THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PANDEMIC AND THE, AND THE MATERIAL SHORTAGES HAVE, HAVE PUSHED SO MANY PEOPLE UP AGAINST THE WALL. THAT, THAT THIS IS A REALLY, UM, A, A SITUATION WHERE, WHERE IT'S INCUMBENT ON THIS COMMISSION TO BE ENABLERS AND, UM, WITH THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE BEFORE US, I HOPE THAT THERE'S A COMMISSIONER THAT CAN LOOK AT THE, AT THE, AT THE PRODUCTS AND, AND, AND PICK THE SUPERIOR PRODUCT. I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION SO THAT THIS APPLICANT CAN GO AND ACHIEVE, HURT HER, HER IN, UM, UH, TO NO SMALL PART. AND, UH, SHE GETS TO GET INTO HER HOUSE, SIR. SO I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, THAT, THAT THERE'LL BE A MOTION, UH, TO SELECT ONE OF THESE, UH, APPLIED JAM OR THE, UH, THE R AND B, BUT THAT, THAT I TRUST WITH THE DUE DILIGENCE AND THE, AND THE, AND THE RESPECT THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS GIVEN US OVER THE, THE MANY, UH, SESSIONS THAT, THAT SHE'S BEEN BEFORE US, THAT REALLY, NOW IT'S ON US TO, TO, TO, TO MAKE THIS DREAM COME TRUE. THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIR, I'M READY TO DO A MOTION. YES, COMMISSIONER, I WOULD NOT WANT THE APPLICANT TO PICK A BRAIN FOR HER, UM, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE BASED ON AVAILABILITY. HER DESIGN DOES NOT, UM, ASK FOR FOUR DIVIDED FOR ANY LIGHT IN BETWEEN LIKE ANY FRAME, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. SO IF, IF I MAKE A MOTION WITH A STAFF STIPULATION AND YOU GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHICH BRAND HAS AVAILABILITY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND JUST CHECK WITH STAFF IF THAT'S, THAT WINDOW IS OKAY, THEN I THINK YOU'LL BE FINE. BE FINE. BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANNA PUT A BRAND ON ON THIS BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE STUCK WITH AVAILABILITY AND ALL THAT FIRST ONE. THE EXCELLENCE HAS, UM, GIVEN LIKE, UM, A DELIVERY TIME BETWEEN FOUR TO FIVE WEEKS. SO I WAS HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, I GO BACK AND I TALK TO THEM AND THEN I, I SPEAK WITH MR. HALL AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WOULD, YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE BECAUSE OF, AND I GUESS IT'S MORE ON A CONSTRUCTION, OH, I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT ONE, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW THAT HAS LIKE, IN BETWEEN THE WOOD, IT HAS LIKE A, IN BETWEEN THE FRAME, IT HAS A YES, YOU'RE GONNA, PART OF THE WINDOW IS GONNA NOT BE RECESS AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ALSO FOR LIKE WATER AND SHADE. AND SO I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THAT WINDOW IS PROBABLY NOT EVEN GONNA BE THE BEST SOLUTION. BUT I THINK STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU ON, ON FIGURING THAT PART OUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A SOLUTION TO THAT AS WELL. SO I'M JUST GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. IS STAFF STIPULATIONS INCLUDING, UH, THE OPEN OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED BEFORE US OR STAFF STIPULATIONS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, UH, STAFF STIPULATION STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS IF THE APPLICANT CAN FIND A WINDOW THAT MEETS OUR STANDARDS, THEN THAT THE APPLICANT, BASICALLY THIS IS JUST A CHANGE OF MATERIAL. THE, THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY A WOOD WINDOW WAS APPROVED, THIS IS JUST A COMMISSION SAYING THE APPLICANT HAS THE ABILITY TO INSTALL A WOOD OR NOW AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. AND, AND THE MOTION IS EMPOWERING THAT. AND THE MOTION, THE MOTION WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL AN ALUMINUM WINDOW PROVIDED THAT IT MEETS THE SAME STANDARDS SET FORTH BY STAFF. SO OUR, OUR STIPULATIONS, UH, THE, OUR STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, YEAH, ANY BRAND. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE NOT, IT, IT'S ONLY SAYING YOU CAN USE ALUMINUM. NOW IN ADDITION TO WOOD, THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT MOST OF THE TIME THIS, UM, SECTIONS OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WOOD. SO I NEVER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE EVEN WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR IT, I COULDN'T REALLY FIND SOMETHING THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIND IN THE WOOD WINDOWS. SO THAT MAKES IT REALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GO WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS BECAUSE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. WELL, AND EDWARD BE ABLE TO STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THE DIMENSIONS AND OF ALL THE ELEMENTS AND WORK WITH YOU ON, UM, YOUR OPTIONS THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TO SEE WHICH ONE, UH, MEETS THOSE, THOSE [02:25:01] RE STIPULATIONS AS WELL AS MEETS YOUR TIMELINE. AND, AND I GENERALLY BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A FEW WINDOW PRODUCTS THAT 100% MEET THESE STANDARDS. EXACTLY. UM, BUT THEY'RE, EACH PRODUCT WILL VARY. EACH PRODUCT WILL HAVE, UM, A BEVEL ON A PROFILE OF THE WINDOW. EACH PRODUCT WILL DIFFER, EACH PRODUCT WILL HAVE A TALLER MEETING RAIL. UH, SO THERE'S GONNA BE A, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH WOOD WINDOWS OR CLAD WINDOWS, THERE ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THE WINDOW THAT MAY NOT BE MENTIONED IN STAFF STANDARDS. UM, BUT I, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN FIND PRODUCTS THAT FIT WITHIN THESE STANDARDS AND THEN SUBMIT THOSE TO STAFF FOR STAFF'S REVIEW. UH, BUT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WITHIN AVAILABILITY, THAT IS TRUE, BUT I, I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT WINDOW SECTIONS FOR WHAT IS AVAILABLE AND WE CAN REVIEW THOSE. UM, AND HOPEFULLY HER WOOD WINDOWS WILL COME IN AND WE WON'T NEED TO REVIEW THIS, BUT, UM, THIS IS ALSO BASED ON WHAT I'VE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE APPLICANT, AN OPTION B TO WHERE IF HER WOOD WINDOWS ARE PUSHED BACK AGAIN, THAT SHE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. UM, SHE'S NOT ABANDONING THE WOOD WINDOW SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR. OKAY. SHE JUST NEEDS TO GET HER HOUSE DRIED IN. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? AND MAY I JUST CLARIFY, THIS IS ALUMINUM WINDOWS WE ARE PROVING AND THAT'S THE, SPECIFICALLY WHAT APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR IS A CHANGE OF MATERIAL. CORRECT. SO WE'RE GIVING, WE'RE NOT, AND I, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT AMENDING, WE'RE JUST ADDING THIS AS A APPROVAL TO THE PROJECT SO THAT IF SHE GETS THE WOOD WINDOWS, IT'S NOT ANOTHER AMENDMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT. SHE'S ALREADY PAID FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS. THIS IS JUST THE PART TWO OF MORE OPTIONS. YEAH. OKAY. WE'RE REPLACING. THANK YOU. SO A ROLL CALL PLEASE. THANK YOU FISH. AYE SINA AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND SPENCER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH I APPRECIATE AND GOOD LUCK. AGENDA ITEM 15. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 9 2 28 BARRERA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TOTALING APPROXIMATELY, UH, 1,840 SQUARE FEET WITH AN ATTACHED CARPORT. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH O STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FOUNDATION IN FLOOR HEIGHTS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C IS NOTED IN FINDING D UH, I, UH, STIPULATION TWO IS IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SEAL DETAILING ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING I FOR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DETACHED CARPORT BASED ON FINDING K AND SUBMITS UPDATED PLANS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH PLANNING BED DETAILS, MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND PEDESTRIAN GATES PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C IS NOTED IN FINDING O THE APPLICANT, UH, NICK MELDY IS HERE VIRTUALLY. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, SO THANK YOU EDWARD FOR THE, UH, INTRODUCTION AND, UH, SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT. UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I THINK YOU SUMMARIZED IT PRETTY WELL. UM, AND SO I'D LIKE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND GET TO, UM, ADDRESSING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IF THAT, UH, IS OKAY WITH YOU GUYS. OKAY? YES, SIR. GREAT. UM, SO, UH, YES, WE WILL COMPLY WITH, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, OF COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THESE ARE JUST, UH, CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS AT THIS POINT. BUT, UH, UH, AT, UH, AT THIS TIME WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, AN 18 INCH TALL, UH, UH, CONCRETE SLAB AND, UH, AND WHICH WILL, UM, ALSO BE THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, AND THEN, UH, 10 FOOT PLATE HEIGHTS, UH, FOR FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, WITH THE TOP, UH, OF THE, UH, UH, OR THE, THE, THE PEAK OF THE BUILDING, UH, BEING, UH, 28 AND A HALF FEET. UM, AND THEN, UM, SO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE WILL, OF COURSE, UH, COMPLY WITH, UH, WE, WE WILL BE PROPOSING, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD, UH, WINDOWS, UH, THROUGHOUT, UM, AND WILL, UH, COMPLY WITH, UH, [02:30:01] O H P STANDARDS, UM, FOR THAT. UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THE COMMISSION, UM, HERE. UM, AND THEN, UH, LET'S SEE, AND THEN I'D ALSO, UH, WE'LL ALSO DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AND THEN, UM, I, UH, UH, WE WILL COMPLY WITH ITEM NUMBER FIVE. SO, UM, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS, UH, ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS. SO, UM, I'VE, I, I'VE, I'VE INCLUDED PERSPECTIVES HERE TO KINDA, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'LL BE SEEING FROM THE STREET AND, UH, UM, AND ON THIS, UH, WEST FACADE HERE. UM, THE, UH, THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE LOWER LEVEL ONE, UH, THOSE TWO SMALLER, UM, VERTICALLY ORIENTED, UH, WINDOWS ARE, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THOSE BE, UH, FIXED, UH, IN THOSE LOCATIONS. AND, UM, THAT, UH, YEAH, ONE IS INTO A BATHROOM AND THE OTHER IS, UH, ABOVE, UH, THE BED, UH, UH, ON A BED WALL IN THAT LOWER LEVEL BEDROOM. AND, UM, THAT PROPORTION IS TAKEN FROM, UH, UH, FIXED WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE TYPICALLY FOUND IN GABLE VENTS, UM, OR, OR GABLE ENDS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A, A, UH, DISTRICT WIDE ASSESSMENT. UM, YOU, WE TYPICALLY FIND, UM, A VARIATION OF WINDOW PATTERNS ON THE SIDES OF HOUSES VERSUS THE FRONTS OF HOUSES. AND SO, UH, WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS, UM, APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN, IN THE DISTRICT. UH, THE, UH, THE WINDOW ABOVE IS TO THE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR HERE IS TO THE KITCHEN. UH, AND I THINK, UM, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S, UM, POINT MADE ON, UH, ANOTHER CASE IN THE LEVO NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT THE FIRST CASE, I THINK, UM, OR THE SECOND CASE FOR TODAY. UH, WE, WE WILL LOOK AT, UH, AT, AT, UH, ORGANIZING THOSE WITH A PROPER, UH, TRIM DETAIL IN, IN BETWEEN, UH, SO THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE JUST GETTING TOGETHER WITH A, UM, A SMALL TWO INCH TRIM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL DO, WE'LL MAKE THAT MORE SUBSTANTIAL. UM, UH, BUT ON, ON THIS, ON THE, ON THE STUCCO MASS HERE, WE ARE PLANNING TO RECESS, UH, THE WINDOWS TWO INCHES. AND SO IT FEELS LIKE A, UH, MASONRY, A TRUE MASONRY BUILDING, UM, ON THE, UH, EAST FACADE. UH, IF WE CAN, UH, GO TO THAT, UH, PERSPECTIVE, UM, HERE, HERE TO, UM, WE'LL LOOK AT, UH, UH, AT A, UH, MAYBE MORE APPROPRIATE, UM, SPACING, UH, OF THOSE THREE WINDOWS THAT GO INTO THE BEDROOM ON THAT FACADE, UH, THE, THE ABOVE HER BED, UH, WALL ON THAT SIDE. UM, AND, UH, UH, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO MORE BEYOND THAT, THAT ARE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE HEIGHT VERSIONS, UM, OF, UH, OF THOSE SMALLER WINDOWS, UM, AND, AND DOUBLE HUNG. UM, AND, AND THOSE WILL BE, UH, UH, MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED. THOSE WILL BE MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IN THE FINAL ELEVATIONS, UH, THAT WE PROPOSE, UH, AT THE NEXT HEARING. UH, BUT THOSE ARE, UH, IT'D BE A DOUBLE LINE WINDOW, UH, VERTICAL PROPORTION, UH, I THINK KIND OF IN KEEPING WITH THE DISTRICT STANDARDS THERE. SO I, I, I'D LIKE TO GET, UM, FEEDBACK FROM YOU GUYS, UH, FIRST ON THE WINDOWS AND THEN, UM, ON THE CARPORT, I GUESS, IF PUT IT TO YOU ALL NOW, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER FISH, IF WE WANNA BREAK THIS INTO PIECES, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? THAT'S FINE, YES. UH, WHEN, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS ARE BROKEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEPTH ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN GREEN. AND THEN ALSO ON, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE EAST SIDE, ON THE OTHER SIDE. UH, AND I FIND THAT THE PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS ARE COMPATIBLE, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE ORIENTATION AND THE SCALE MAKES SENSE BASED ON THE DEPTH OF THAT PLANE AND HOW IT BREAKS. I DON'T SEE THOSE PARTICULAR WINDOWS AS BEING INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE THOUGHTS ON THOSE WINDOWS, CONCERNS ABOUT THOSE WINDOWS? I GUESS I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU. NO, I DO NOT HAVE ANY, I DO NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF THE, UH, CONCERNS OF THE, UH, PROPOSED WINDOWS ON THESE ELEVATIONS BASED ON THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND, UH, THE WAY THE FACADES ARE BROKEN UP. MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SIDE ELEVATIONS. [02:35:02] WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE FRONT ELEVATION, RIGHT. JUST TO COMMISSIONER FISH. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY I HAVE NO CONCERN EITHER. I THINK THERE'S, UM, IT IS CONCEPTUAL AND MAYBE WE COULD, UM, I THINK, I THINK I'M MORE, UH, WORRIED ABOUT THE FRONT ONES AND THE FRONT ELEVATION THAN THE, ANY OTHER SIDES YOUR CONCERNS THERE, COMMISSIONER GROUP? WELL, WE HAD JUST HAD A CASE ABOUT THE, THOSE TUM WINDOWS ON THE TOP, AND NOW WE'RE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO MAYBE THAT COULD CALL FOR A, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY CONCEPTUALLY YOUR PROJECT, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT STIPULATION OR SOME OF THE STIPULATION, JUST FURTHER DISCUSS THE WINDOWS. I THINK YOU YOURSELF WANTED TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ABOUT THEIR, THE, THE WINDOWS, BUT THE TRANSITON WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, I DON'T FIND THE CONNECTION TO, I'M NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE ANYTHING HISTORICALLY FOUND, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IT, IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE FRONT, WHICH IS TRYING TO REPLICATE, YOU KNOW, FRONT PORCH, DOUBLE DOUBLE TWO STORY FRONT PORCH, AND THEN THE TRANSOM WINDOWS. MAYBE WHAT I WOULD DO IS JUST SWITCH TO ROOF THE OTHER WAY AND PUT THE TRANSOM WINDOWS ON THE BACK, BUT I THINK THAT IS MORE A D R C QUESTION AND, AND COULD BE WORKED FURTHER OUT. I'M NOT SAYING NO, BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? SURE, YEAH. THANK YOU. OH, OH, OH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. SURE. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADDRESS THAT QUESTION REALLY, UH, REALLY QUICK. WE, WE ACTUALLY, UM, JUST NEXT DOOR ON THE HISTORIC HOUSE, UM, I THINK I PROVIDED A, UM, ELEVATOR OR, OR A, A PHOTO OF THAT IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENTS. UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY PULLING, UM, THOSE, UH, TRANSOMS ESSENTIALLY FROM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT AS WELL. UM, SO THAT'S SHOWN IN THE DORMER HERE. BUT THEN ALSO WHAT THIS PICTURE DOESN'T SHOW IS ACTUALLY ON THE GABLE END OF THAT HOUSE, THERE IS A SIMILAR PROPORTION OF, OF A, UH, HORIZONTALLY ALIGNED FIXED WINDOW THERE. UM, AND SO I, I, WE, WE FELT LIKE, UM, THAT THERE, THERE IS NE I I, I GUESS NEIGHBORHOOD CONTEXT, UH, THEREFORE, OR, OR PRECEDENT, UM, FOR WINDOWS, UH, UH, HORIZONTALLY ALIGNED WINDOWS, PARTICULARLY ABOVE THE, UM, UH, STANDARD HEIGHT, I GUESS, OF MOST, UH, WINDOWS ON THE, UH, HABITABLE FLOORS. SO I GUESS TYPICALLY IN AN ELEVATED POSITION LIKE THAT AND COMMIT. UH, JUST TO FOLLOW ON MY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S COMMENT, SARAH, I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN A HORIZONTAL WINDOW ON AN ELEVATION. THIS IS A TRUE TRANSO CONFIGURATION AND PROPORTION IS MATCHING THE RHYTHM OF THE WINDOWS BELOW, AND I FIND THOSE TO BE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, THANK YOU. UM, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WINDOWS IS, UH, REALLY HELPFUL AND WE CAN SEE WHERE THE, UM, THE PROPORTIONS AND EVEN SOME LOCATIONS COMPARE OR FALL INTO THE OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURES. I'LL SAY THAT THE, UM, WHAT YOU'VE, UM, MR. MELDE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THE PLAN AND THE SIDING IS REALLY, REALLY CLEVER, REALLY GOOD. UM, I, UH, SETTING IT BACK, UH, FROM THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE VICTORIAN WITH WRAPAROUND PORCH ON ONE SIDE IS GOOD. YOU'VE GOT THE TALLER HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK THE SIDING WORKS. HOWEVER, I'M HAVING PROBLEMS ACCEPTING . THE, UM, THAT FULL FRONTAL OPEN DOUBLE HEIGHT OR DOUBLE FRONT PORCH ACROSS BOTH THE GROUND AND THE SECOND FLOOR, IT DOES SOMETHING PROPORTIONALLY THAT, UM, JUST, UM, UM, SEEMS A LITTLE BIT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, IT. UM, IT JUST, UH, IT CAUSES ME TO NOT FIND THE COMMONALITY IN THE WINDOWS AND THE FRONT PORCH. IT DISTRACTS ME FROM THOSE OTHER DETAILS AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS. AND, UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS AT A D R C. UM, PART OF THE, PART OF MY CONCERN ARE THE SHED ROOFS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES HOW A SHED ROOF WORKS SO WELL IN AN AUXILIARY WAY, IN AN ACCESSORY WAY, IN AN ANCILLARY WAY TO LARGE HOUSES, SMALL HOUSES, OLD, NEW, UM, BUT HERE WE HAVE IT ON THE MAIN FACADE. WE ALSO HAVE IT, UM, DROPPED DOWN TO COVER THE PORCH. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MANIPULATE PERHAPS EVEN THAT FRONT PORCH SHED ROOF IN A WAY TO WHERE [02:40:01] WE BEGIN TO THINK OF IT AS, UM, MORE OF A, UM, UM, PART OF A GABLE INSTEAD OF GOING FULL GABLE. UM, I JUST WANNA SEE MORE ELEMENTS THAT CORRESPOND TO THE EXISTING AND EVEN THE NEW, THE NEW STRUCTURES ON THAT BLOCK FACE. UM, IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S, UH, SOMETHING WHERE A D R C MAY BE HELPFUL. WELL, LET'S GET THE DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, CARPORT AND THEN SEE WHERE WE GO. POSSIBLY A D R C, MAYBE. YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I, I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF IF THEY COULD GO TO THAT SIDE ELEVATION, THIS KIND OF, AT, AT AN ANGLE. UH, THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH, WHICH IS KIND OF A FUNNY THING TO SAY THAT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, MY, MY COMMENTS WOULD BE, SH SHOULD BE RELEVANT ON ALL SIDES. BUT, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THIS ANGLE, I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE, UM, THE GREATER ACHIEVEMENT HERE IS YOUR COLLECTION OF FORMS AND THE WAY THAT YOU'VE PUT THOSE FORMS TOGETHER, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY ORIGINAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE, THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THESE BOXES TOGETHER IS, I, I WOULD THINK THE OVERARCHING CHALLENGE, RIGHT, TO THE, TO THE FABRIC OF WHATEVER IS THE VOCABULARY OF THAT COMMUNITY. ALTHOUGH THERE'S QUITE A BIT, IF YOU GO TO THE NORTHERN SIDE OF LA VACA, RIGHT, THERE'S FORMS THAT COULD EASILY CHALLENGE ANYBODY. UM, UH, THE QUESTION OF HOW DID THAT GET THERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUCH, UM, NEW, UM, MASSING. THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THOSE, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE, UH, THE VERY SLIGHT SLOPE OF YOUR PORCH, UM, OF THE, UM, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THINKING OF THE GARAGE AS A QUESTION OF ATTACHED OR DETACHED. I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN HANDLED HERE, UM, KIND OF, KIND OF SHOWS A, A, A POSSIBLE OTHER RULE, RIGHT? UM, SO YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, UH, IF WE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, THE SAME ANGLE, BUT THE OTHER ANGLE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT YOU, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT, IT, IT, IT REALLY, UH, HOLDS TO A DESIGN THAT THAT IS NOT TRYING TO HAVE NECESSARILY A FRONT OR A BACK, RIGHT? SO IT'S SPEAKING TO, TO EVERYTHING. UH, I THINK ALONG THE LINES OF, OF THE, OF, OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA WAS SAYING, JUST IN MY OWN INTERPRETATION OF HER COMMENTS, I KIND OF FEEL THAT SAME THING. IF WE COULD GO TO THE FRONT, UM, NOW MIND YOU, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY TELLING YOU THAT, THAT, THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT YOU, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU, YOU SEE THINGS IN YOUR OWN WAY. UH, WHAT I WOULD THINK IS, IS CHALLENGING, UH, HERE, IS THAT, THAT THE SYMMETRY IS VERY, UH, AND YOU BROKE YOUR OWN RULE, UH, IN THE DESIGN WITH A, WITH A, WITH AN OLD RULE THAT IN A WAY IS NOT QUITE BEING FOLLOWED ANYWAY, RIGHT? SO YOUR SYMMETRY TO ME, SEEMS A LITTLE ELEMENTARY IN, IN THIS FACADE. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A BAD WAY, I JUST MEAN IT IN A WAY TO KIND OF LIKE, BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SO THE IDEA OF THE TRANSOM ABOVE THE WINDOW, BUT YET ABOVE THE SINGLE WINDOW, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH IT. TO ME, JUST A VISUAL PROBLEM. I, I, I, I WOULD THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT IS THE MOST CHALLENGING ASPECT OF THIS DESIGN WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR IT TO BE A TRUE STATEMENT AS A WHOLE, WHICH THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR IS A TRUE STATEMENT, AND THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A TRUE STATEMENT THAT YOU WORK ON THAT, THAT ELEVATION, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M FEELING FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONER IS THERE'S A STARKNESS TO IT THAT SOMEHOW DOESN'T, IT, IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE A, LIKE, LIKE THE BACKSIDE OF A MOTEL, YOU KNOW? AND I DON'T MEAN ANY OFFENSE TO YOU, IT JUST, I KNOW THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETHING THAT SINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING NEXT TO YOU AND THE OTHER BUILDING. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT, BUT, BUT I THINK IF YOU TAKE FURTHER INSPIRATION FROM THE WAY YOU BROKE THE BOX AND, AND, AND, AND DRIVE THAT FURTHER A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THAT FRONT FACADE, I THINK CONCEPTUALLY AS A SET OF FORMS, I COULD STAND, I, I, I WANNA STAND BEHIND, UH, UH, YOUR CREATIVITY AND, AND, AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE SUPPORTS IT, LIKE THE NEXT PRESENTATION THAT YOU BRING, THAT YOU BRING IMAGES OF THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT CLEARLY BREAK THE FORMS OF THAT, OF, OF WHAT IS HISTORIC IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT YOU WORK ON THIS, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT NEAR WHERE YOU NEED TO BE WITH RESPECT TO THE DIFFERENT FORMS, THE PRESSED METAL AND, AND THE, THE NON DETACHED GARAGE. I WOULD DIG [02:45:01] MY HEELS IN THE GROUND AND I'D FIGHT FOR WHAT I WANTED. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS TO YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THOSE IDEAS A BIT FURTHER. I, I APOLOGIZE. I I DID NOT, I DIDN'T BRING MY, MY GOOD WORDS WITH ME TODAY. UM, BUT LOOKING AT THIS ELEVATION, WHAT IT SAYS IS THIS, IS, THESE ARE THE PROPORTIONS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, SECOND FLOOR, AND AT THE TOP THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY FIND IN A COMMERCIAL FACADE. SO THAT'S PART OF THAT DIS, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY DISCONNECT, BUT IT JUST WHY IT SEEMS, UM, COM VERY UNRESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE WOULD CON, UH, CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. SO MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S, IT JUST HAS A PROPORTION AND A SET OF, UM, OF ELEMENTS THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT, DOESN'T SAY, YEAH. SO, UH, ANYWAY, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN ALL DIG INTO ON A D R C. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE INTERESTED IN MR. MALDA? UM, YEAH, AB ABSOLUTELY. IN FACT, I , UH, MENTIONED THAT TO, UH, THE CASE MANAGERS AS WELL, UM, PARTICULARLY ON THE ELEMENT OF THE CARPORT. UH, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT TODAY OR IS THAT SOMETHING AND, AND MAKE A DECISION ON TODAY? OR, UM, WHY DON'T WE, WELL, WE FOLLOW UP. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO GET, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO GET INITIAL FEEDBACK AT LEAST ON, ON A DIRECTION THAT WE MIGHT BE GOING ON THIS, BECAUSE THE, THE SITE IS VERY RESTRICTIVE. I MEAN, WE'RE ON 20, UH, JUST OVER 2300 SQUARE FEET. UM, WE'VE PUSHED THE BUILDING BACK TO RESPECT, UH, THE, UM, A ADJACENT HISTORIC HOUSE WRAPAROUND PORCH THERE. AND SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE, UM, A TWO TO THREE BED, TWO AND A HALF BATH, UH, HOUSE ON THIS SITE, UM, IT, THERE'S NOWHERE, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT A CAR. I, I WAS SECOND THIS D R C, IF COMMISSIONER SABINO IS MAKING THAT MOTION, I'M MAKING THAT MOTION TO MAKE A, UH, FOR A D R C. BUT YES, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT, OF COURSE. AND, AND, AND, AND IN, I, I THINK IN THE COMMENTS OF THAT, I JUST, UM, SAY THAT THE STRENGTH OF THE NON DETACHED CARPORT, IF THAT'S A, UH, AN ISSUE FOR YOU, I, I, I THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD, UM, VISUAL ARGUMENT FOR THE WAY THAT YOU'VE MADE THIS HAPPEN, UH, THE WAY THAT YOU'VE DESIGNED IT. SO, I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, BLATANT NO, NO, NO ATTACHED CARPORT, I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION AS IT'S DESIGNED. YEAH. THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, I KIND THINK WHAT, WHAT NORMALLY THE GUIDELINES RESTRICT US ON AN OPEN CARPORTS, AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE EVEN CONVERTED TO A GARAGE, AND THAT WOULD WE EVEN WORK BETTER? YOU CAN JUST PUT A GARAGE DOOR, THEN IT CREATES MAYBE SOME FRONT PARKING, SO THERE'S MAYBE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS A, A DETACHED GARAGE. I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, I THINK WE CAN WORK ON AN OPTION THAT'S NOT DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE, BUT MAYBE JUST, UH, NOT MAYBE GET SO MUCH A CARPORT. UM, SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF A SCREEN, I DON'T KNOW. BUT, UH, NOT, NOT FOR DISCUSSION. I AGREE WITH THE D R C. YES. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? I MEAN, GIBBS IS ABSENT FISH. AYE. SABINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. AND PET AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU, MR. MELDY. LIKEWISE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 13 1 44 CROFTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE DETACHED GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SECOND STORY EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS TO FEATURE MORE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS BASED ON FINDING D AND SUBMITS UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD DOORS AND WINDOWS ON THE SECOND STORY OF THE EAST ELEVATION OF STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING D. STIPULATION THREE IS IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND CONSTRUCTION. UH, AND THE APPLICANT, NICK MELD IS HERE. HELLO AGAIN. UM, SO, UM, I, I THINK YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT WOULD BE BACK TO THE, UH, SIMILAR CONVERSATION HERE ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, A ABOUT, UH, THE, THE WINDOW PATTERNS ON THE, UM, [02:50:01] UH, EAST AND WEST, UH, FACADES. UM, AND THEN, UH, WE, UH, WILL COMPLY WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO. UH, WAIT, I, I'M SORRY, UH, TWO. UH, YES, I, ITEM NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, I IT APPEARS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. SO, UH, AGAIN HERE, UM, WE'RE, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH, UH, THE, UM, O H P, UM, STANDARD OR DISTRICT, UH, THE KING WILLIAM, UH, DISTRICT STANDARD FOR, UM, BOARD AND BATTEN PLACEMENT, AND THEN FITTING, UH, GABLE END LIKE WINDOWS INTO THAT FACADE. UM, THE, UH, LARGER, UH, WINDOW PROPORTIONS, UH, WERE TAKEN, UH, THERE, THEY, THE ONE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, UH, UH, YEAH, NORTH ELEVATION, UM, SHOWS IT, EXCUSE ME, A, UH, VERTICALLY ORIENTED, UH, FIXED WINDOW, UM, ON THE, UH, LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT, UH, ELEVATION. AND THEN, UH, UH, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY BASED ON, UH, THE SIZE OF A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, UM, IN, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN THE, UM, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, A SLIGHTLY SMALLER WINDOW, WHICH IS LOCATED IN A, UM, IN A BATHROOM, UH, CONFIGURATION, SIMILAR LOCATION TO THE, UH, WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, BUT THERE ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, RIGHT? IT'S IN A, UH, IT'S IN A BATHROOM AND WOULD BE, UH, FROSTED. UM, THERE. SO, UM, UH, REVIEWED THIS, UH, UH, THESE, UH, THIS DESIGN WITH THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. AND, UM, THEY SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES, UH, WITH THE LO UH, WITH THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS OR, OR LOCATIONS OR PATTERNS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND WERE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE PROJECT. UM, SO, UH, AND I I, I, I WILL ADMIT THE, THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE LARGER WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UM, UH, IS, UH, SLIGHTLY MORE SQUARE THAN, UH, VERTICAL, I THINK. BUT, UH, WE CAN SEE IN OTHER BACK BUILDINGS ALONG, UH, THE CROFTON ALLEY THAT, UM, THAT THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY OF, UH, WINDOW PROPORTIONS ON BACK BUILDINGS. UM, AND SO WE FELT LIKE, UM, THERE WERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF, UH, CONTEXTUAL ELEMENTS TO, TO CHOOSE FROM. SO, UH, PROPORTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM. UM, I'LL, UH, SEND IT BACK TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S ONE OF THE, UM, UM, UH, ANIMATIONS, I GUESS, OR WHAT WOULD THEY BE CALLED, UH, DRAWINGS THAT A BIRD'S EYE VIEW STUFF THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL, UH, SIMPLE BUT ELEGANT, UH, DETAILING AND, AND DESIGN, UH, CLEARLY FITS IN THE CONTEXT. I, I, I'M HOPING THAT THAT, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AGREE AND THAT WE CAN APPROVE AS PRESENTED. UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS THINK THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT TO TALK ABOUT, BUT IF THEY DON'T, AND IF, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO ANYBODY, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SO JUST, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALSO ON THE SAME PAGE. UM, THE KING WILLIAM DID SUBMIT A LETTER, MR. MELDY, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY AGREEING WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. KING WILLIAM IS USUALLY, UH, PRETTY ADAMANT ABOUT, UM, THE WINDOWS. SO THE ONLY, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. YOU'RE PUTTING, UH, UH, WHEN, WHEN STAFF IS TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOWS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLER WINDOWS. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. THEN, UM, THE FIXED WINDOWS, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT MORE AND MORE ON ADDITIONS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE SKYLIGHTS. DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING TO THE SKYLIGHTS? I DON'T SEE THE SKYLIGHTS ON THAT EITHER. COMMENTS ON THAT? UH, STAFF COULD GENERALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. IT'S NOT A PENETRATION INTO A HISTORIC ROOF FORM. SO THAT'S MY OTHER QUESTION. WHAT'S THE NEED OF THE SMALLER WINDOWS? HOW MUCH MORE LIGHT IS IT REALLY GIVING YOU? AND COULD IT ACTUALLY, AND THAT RECTANGULAR WINDOW, IS THAT NOT ABLE TO MATCH ON THE OTHER SIDE? CAN WE NOT DO THAT, LIKE SOUTH AND NORTH ACTUALLY MATCH EACH OTHER? SURE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. UM, I THINK, UM, ON THE, SO ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, UM, THAT IS THE STAIRWELL SIDE, WHICH IS KIND OF DEPICTED IN THAT, OH, UH, IN THE BUILDING SECTION THAT WE WERE JUST ON . YEAH. SO IT'S KIND OF DEPICTED THERE. UM, SO IT'S DELIVERING LIGHT ESSENTIALLY, [02:55:01] UH, DAYLIGHT INTO THAT STAIRWELL. UH, WE'RE ALSO, UM, UH, AS, UM, STAFF HAS MENTIONED, UH, PUTTING IN YEAH, SKYLIGHTS THERE TO, UM, ASSIST WITH DAYLIGHTING, UM, SINCE THERE ARE, UH, SINCE WE'RE PROPOSING NO WINDOWS, UM, ALONG THE WEST ELEVATION. UM, AND, UH, IN TERMS OF MATCHING, UH, THE SOUTH ELEVATION TO THE NORTH ELEVATION, UH, WELL, I, I, I GUESS, UH, IF, IF THE QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THE, THE SMALLER WINDOWS, UM, THEN, UH, AGAIN, THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF DERIVED FROM GABLE IN VENTS. UM, THAT SORT OF PROPORTION IS, AND THEN WE, THEY ARE SQUEEZED DOWN JUST TO MAKE, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW TO FIT IN BETWEEN, UH, THE, UH, BATTENS, UM, THERE. SO, UM, I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO BREAK THE LINE OF THE BATTENS TO MAKE THAT SLIGHTLY MORE PROPORTIONATE TO MOST OF THE GABLE VENTS FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ARE PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TO SIX INCHES WIDER THAN THAT, UM, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT DOING THAT. BUT IT'S TO DELIVER, IT IS ESSENTIALLY TO DELIVER DAYLIGHT INTO CERTAIN AREAS, UM, OF THE GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. SO LOOKING AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THE LOWER LEFT WINDOW IS DELIVERING SOME DAYLIGHT INTO THE GARAGE, THE, UH, TWO SMALLER WINDOWS. AND IN GENERAL, I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I I, I KNOW I SEE THE LITTLE BIT MORE, THE CONTEXT ON THE ENTRY. YEAH, IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE STAIRS. UM, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT. WHAT WAS IT? WHY WAS THE REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT FROM THE NORTH ELEVATION ON THE BIG WINDOW, THE BIG FIXED WINDOW? SURE. UH, ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WE HAD A BATHROOM, AND SO, UH, JUST UH, BRINGING THAT SILL UP, UM, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON THE, ON, ON IN, IN THE SHOWER. BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE SHOWER, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND THAT, AND WE ARE PROPOSING A, UH, TRANSLUCENT FILM, UH, TO BE ON THAT WINDOW. WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? AND THEN WE CAN GET TO FURTHER DISCUSSION? I SECOND IT. WE HAVE A SECOND. UM, WOULD THE, UH, COMMISSIONER CONSIDER INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING THE WINDOW MATERIAL, WINDOW MATERIALS, AND, UH, SPECIFICATIONS STIPULATION TWO AND THREE, WHICH, UM, NUM ITEMS TWO AND THREE ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, YEAH. YES. OF, OF COURSE, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, UM, ARE, ARE YOU, UH, DO YOU HAVE, UM, AN UM, AN ARRAY OF, UH, OPTIONS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO WINDOWS? WINDOWS ARE KIND OF A STICKY MM-HMM. SUBJECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THERE ARE RULES THAT THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN EXPECTATION THAT WINDOWS MEET A PARTICULAR RULE, RIGHT? WHICH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD. WOOD AND WITHIN THE QUALITY OF THAT, UH, THAT LINE, RIGHT? UH, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT, IF WE'RE GONNA GO TO A DRC, THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT JUST WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE WINDOW, UH, DO YOU GET THE DRIFT OF WHAT MIGHT BE EXPECTED? WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S PROPOSING WOOD WINDOWS. OKAY, WELL THEN THE DRAWINGS. SO THEN, SO THEN, SO, SO THE QUESTION OF THE STIPULATION, RIGHT? THEN HE'S WITHIN THE STIPULATION, IT'S NOT A QUESTION THEN, RIGHT? WELL, SINCE IT'S CONCEPTUAL, WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I I, WAS THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL OR FINAL? I THINK IT, I'M, I'M SORRY. IT IS, I'M YOU, THE APPLICANT STARTED SAYING THAT HE AGREED TO STIPULATION TWO AND THREE, AND THE ONLY THING HE WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS THE FENESTRATION SIZE. I UNDERSTAND PROPORTIONS. OKAY. WELL, WELL THEN, UM, I, I, I THINK, UM, THE, YOU'RE ASKING ME REALLY JUST TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, RIGHT? TO, TO SAY THAT, CLARIFY THE MOTION TO INCLUDE, UH, WELL, OKAY. SO MOTION CLARIFIED TO, UM, INCLUDE THE, THE STIPULATION TWO AND THREE, BUT AS FAR AS ALITY AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS, IT'S, IT'S THE SPIRIT OF WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND STANDS? SECOND STANDS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY. I JUST ONE COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE, IF THAT'S OKAY. CERTAINLY, UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT ON THE FENCE WITH IT, NOT IN TERMS OF THE, THE SMALLER WINDOWS. I THINK THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE FALLING BETWEEN THE BOARD AND BATTEN IN A WAY THAT IS KIND OF UNIQUE. THE SIDE, THE SIDE ELEVATIONS OF THESE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE NOT USUALLY LADEN WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF WINDOWS. AND I THINK [03:00:01] IT'S KIND OF A SMART WAY OF BRINGING LIGHT IN THROUGH THOSE FACADES WITHOUT PUNCHING A LOT OF HOLES IN THE SIDE. ELEVATIONS, UH, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT CONCERN OF THE LARGE FIXED WINDOW ABOVE THE STAIR. YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THOSE WOULD USUALLY BE CONFIGURED AS A SINGLE OR DOUBLE HUNG TYPE OF CONFIGURATION. UH, THAT SAID, IT'S IN A STAIRWELL WHERE IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE AND NOT REACHED. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE LEASES, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S HIGH ABOVE THE, THE STAIR. IS THAT CORRECT MR. MELDY? YES, IT IS. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S OUT OF REACH. YEAH. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS OF A WINDOW WHERE I OFTEN WILL CONSIDER, UH, FIXED BEING MORE REASONABLE. SO WE DON'T HAVE ESSENTIALLY A FAKE OPERABLE WINDOW. UH, THAT'S WHERE MY HESITATION LIES. AND I, I'M, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT DEMO MOTION AS IT'S MADE, BUT I DO HAVE SOME HESITATION THERE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. SINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. AND FE AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. AGENDA ITEM 17. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 2 2 2 39 ARMY. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A 120 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION. TWO TO PARTIALLY ENCLOSED THE REAR PORCH AS A SCREEN PORCH. THREE, TO REPLACE THE SECOND STORY RAILING ON THE FRONT FACADE, BALCONY FORWARD INSTALL FRONT PORCH RAILING FIVE TO INSTALL A THREE BAY CARPORT IN THE REAR YARD, SIX SIX IN THE DRIVEWAY WITH GRAVEL. SEVEN. INSTALL FRONT YARD FENCE AND RETAINING WALL. AND EIGHT TO INSTALL A CATTLE PANEL SIDE YARD FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT, UH, BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE THE WINDOWS ARE REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REAR ADDITION AND IT INCORPORATES THEM INTO THE ADDITION OR STORES THEM ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE. UH, THREE IS IN REGARDS TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS. UH, SPECIFICALLY MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE PROPOSED OVERHANG DETAILS ON THE ADDITION CARPORT AND REAR SCREEN PORCH BASED ON FINDINGS H AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DETA DETACHED CARPORT BASED ON FINDING J AND SUBMITS UPDATED PLANS AND DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUE, SO OF A C O A SIX THAT THE APPLICANT, OR EXCUSE ME AT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED GATE AND FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE. ADDITIONALLY, THE GATE AND FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE U D C SECTION 35 514 AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A SIDE YARD FENCE MATCHES THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCE IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED CATTLE PANEL FENCE BASED ON FINDING O AND SUBMITS UPDATED PLANS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A, UH, HAVE THE APPLICANT, MR. ALONZO HERE WITH US VIRTUALLY, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF ON ALL RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. THAT IS CORRECT. AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE OWNER, WE'VE AGREED WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY STATE THAT WE CONSENT WITH ALL THESE AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE STAFF DIRECTLY TO, UH, EXECUTE THESE THANK MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU. IF THE APPLICANT IS AGREEING TO ALL APPLICATION TO ALL STATE RELATIONS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION. I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. JUST FOR THE APPLICANT NEXT TIME IF YOU DON'T WANNA SIT AND WAIT FOR HOURS, JUST TELL STAFF AND WE CAN MOVE YOU TO CONSENT AGENDA. YEAH, I DID REQUEST IT, BUT IT, THE, UH, IT HAD ALREADY BEEN POSTED AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, TO CHANGE IT BY THE TIME, BUT THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. QUEZ AYE. RUB? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND ZER? YES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CAN'T AN ITEM BE MOVED TO CONSENT AGENDA DURING THE MEETING? WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT? NOT EFFORT'S BEEN POSTED. SO WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS TO CONFIRM AGREEMENT. THERE'S JUST NOT, NOT ALWAYS [03:05:01] A LOT OF TIME TO CONFIRM, SO, SO NOT EVEN NOW. IF IT'S POSTED AS BEING HEARD INDIVIDUALLY, IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY. ITEM 18 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 2 1 3 29 CLUB DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE FRONT CONCRETE PORCH, REPLACE SECOND STORY WINDOWS. REMOVE A WINDOW IN THE FRONT EAST GABLE, REPLACE EXISTING WINDOW SCREENS, ADD SHINGLES TO FRONT GABLES, MODIFY FRONT WALKWAY, AND ADD AN APPROXIMATELY 600 SQUARE FOOT ROOF ON AN EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT CONCRETE PORCH WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE NEW CONCRETE PATIO BE SCORED TO MATCH PREVIOUS CONDITIONS AND THAT THE METAL RAILINGS ARE REINSTALLED OR REPLICATED. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS INSTALLED. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WINDOW. PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO O P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, REMOVAL OF A WINDOW IN THE FRONT EAST GABLE BASED ON FINDING G STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR. WOULD SCREEN REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING H STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL FIRST STORY. FIRST STORY SCREENS BE RETURNED AND REPAIRED OR REPLACED IN KIND WITH LIGHT PATTERNS TO MATCH HISTORIC CONFIGURATIONS AND THAT WHERE SCREENS WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY FOUND, THE NEW SCREENS BE SIX OVER ONE TO MATCH PREVIOUS CONDITIONS. IF SCREENS ARE REPLACED OR INSTALLED, WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY FOUND. STAFF RECOMMENDS USE OF A SCREEN STYLE MORE CLOSELY MATCHING, UH, PREVIOUS CONDITIONS AND DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF SOLAR SCREEN STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE. GABLE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS RETURNING THE GABLES ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION TO THEIR PREVIOUS CONDITION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX. MODIFICATION OF FRONT WALKWAY BASED ON FINDING J. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FRONT WALKWAY BE RETURNED TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM EIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A. AND WE HAVE HENRY PEREZ ON THE LINE ON THE WEBEX, I BELIEVE. I DUNNO. I FOUND A HANK. IS THAT YOU MR. PEREZ? YOU'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT THE UNMUTE. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. OKAY. YES SIR. UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, YES. UH, WE ASK THAT WE COULD KEEP THE, THE WOOD SHAKERS AT THE FRONT ELEVATION. UM, I MEAN, WE THINK IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. UH, WE ALSO HAVE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT THEY ALSO FEEL IT'S AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. LET'S SEE. REMOVE, OH, AS FAR AS THE, UM, SIDEWALK HOSE, WE ARE, WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, RETURN THAT TO PREVIOUS WOOD SCREENS. UH, WE WERE HAVE THEIR PREVIOUS SCREENS HAD ISSUES WITH THE SIX OVER ONE. 'CAUSE THEY WERE THE, THE WOOD AT THE, AT, AT THE SIDES OF THE ONE WAS BOEING. THERE WAS NO SUPPORT THERE. THAT'S MAINLY ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE AND THE REAR. WHAT ABOUT, UH, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO ABOUT THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES? UH, THE WINDOWS WE REPLACED THE ONLY, THE FOUR WINDOWS AT, AT UPSTAIRS AND THOSE WERE ALREADY ALUMINUM, SO WE REPLACED WITH, WITH, UH, SAME MATERIALS. MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK STAFF VERIFICATION? UM, LET'S GET THROUGH THIS THEN WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL AND THEN WE'LL GET TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. I HAVEN'T HAD TO PLAY MANY VOICEMAILS AND I'VE SUDDENLY FORGOTTEN. BEST WAY TO DO IT. WELL, IS THE APPLICANT DONE PRESENTING? UH, YES. OKAY. [03:10:01] SO IN THE FOLDER, JUST PLAY IT, CLICK ON IT. ? YES. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. AND I'M COHEN ON BEHALF OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA AND THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS, REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 2 2 1. THE ADDRESS IS 3 2 9 CLUB DRIVE. OUR POST OFFICE BOX IS 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE OFFER THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS REGARDING THE CASE. WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH SEVEN. WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE SEEKING TO INVEST INTO THEIR PROPERTY, AND WE HOPE THAT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION CAN ADDRESS MANY OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST WITH RESPECT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOME. UM, IT IS OUR HOPE ALSO THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE ABLE TO PURSUE HISTORIC TAX CREDITS FOR THE AMOUNT OF RESTORATIVE, RESTORE, RESTORATIVE WORK, AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE TO THE HOME. WE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER GRU? YES. UM, I THINK I REMEMBER THIS CASE, RIGHT? SO THE APPLICANT WENT WITH US TO ASK FOR A C O A AND SOME OF IT ADMINISTRATIVE PROOF, OR HAS THIS NEVER COME TO US? UH, IT CAME TO US, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS AN H D R C CASE OR AN ADMIN APPROVAL FOR REPAIR OF THE, UM, EXISTING WOOD WINDOW SCREENS, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HAS COME BEFORE H D R C, BEFORE THE WINDOW. THE ONE WINDOW THAT WAS KIND OF OFF ON THAT GABLE, IT NEVER CAME TO US OR WAS IT JUST A CASE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD A SIMILAR, IT WAS WINDOW PLACEMENT? I THINK IT MIGHT'VE BEEN. UM, I'M, I'M HAVING A SIMILAR MEMORY AS YOU, BUT LET ME CONFIRM REAL QUICK. OKAY. SO PLEASE CONFIRM BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING. IF, IF IT CAME STRAIGHT TO YOUR SEAT AND WE APPROVED A WINDOW WHICH HAD TO BE SUBMITTED WITH A WINDOW MATERIAL WINDOW SPECIFICATION, THEN I, I DO BELIEVE MAYBE I CAN THE APPLICANT REMIND US IF YOU DID COME TO THE COMMISSION FOR THAT WINDOW, THE ONE WINDOW? UH, I DO NOT, I DO NOT KNOW. UH, AT THAT TIME IT WAS MICHAEL GARCIA THAT WAS, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE, UH, SUBMITTAL PROCESS. OKAY. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY OTHER QUESTION. IF YOU HAD TAKEN ON THIS PROJECT POST-APPROVAL, OR LIKE WHO SUBMITTED THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, LIKE WHERE'S THE MR YEAH, SO THE ONLY, THE PREVIOUS RECORD ON THIS PROPERTY IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FROM LAST YEAR. UM, AND THAT WAS FOR FOUNDATION REPAIR, UH, REROOFING WITH THE SAME MATERIALS REPAINTING, UM, AND REPAIRING OF WINDOWS AND SCREENS. CORRECT. AND, AND YOU DID SUBMIT, UH, SO MR. PARIS SAYS YOU DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PERMITS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW SCREENS, AND YOU JUST MADE THE DECISION TO CHANGE HIM. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? UH, YES. I GUESS IN IT, THE REPAIRS WERE MADE, AND THIS IS, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THE REPAIRS, WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, ON THE, ON, ON THE SIDES SIDE SCREENS AND REAR SCREENS, THERE WAS NO SUPPORT ON THE BOTTOM. SO THEY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND, AND DO A HORIZONTAL, UH, TRIM TO, TO, TO BRING THAT BACK OR THE BOAT. YEAH. BUT THESE SCREENS HAVE BEEN REBUILT AS NEW, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT THE OLD ONES THAT HAVE BEEN REPAIRED. SO WHEN THEY DECIDED TO DESIGN A NEW SCREEN, THEY ACTUALLY CHANGED THE DESIGN. SO IT'S NOT REALLY A REPAIR OF SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE WOOD WAS ROTTEN AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS NOT, UH, HOLDING. WELL, I MEAN, SO IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WE DO FIND, I DO FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAD THAT ONE, RIGHT? AND IT'S JUST WOOD SCREENS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE WINDOW THAT YOU INSTALLED IN THAT TOP FLOOR, AND I THINK THE MATERIAL, BUT IT DOES HAVE, UH, THE UNDIVIDED LIGHTS INSIDE, RIGHT? SO THE TYPE OF WINDOW THAT YOU INSTALLED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS IS THE THING I HAVE, IT'S KIND OF, I, I DO AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, AND THIS IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'VE PROBABLY TAKEN ON THE CASE AFTER SOMEBODY ELSE. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE I, I THINK IT WAS CLEAR WHAT WAS ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY REPAIR SCREENS, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT REPLACING THE SCREEN AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY REPLACING THEM COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. THAT'S WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHERE'S THE MISUNDERSTANDING? UH, WELL, LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THAT PART. WHAT I [03:15:01] WAS TOLD IS THAT SOME OF 'EM WERE, WERE REPAIRED AND SOME OF 'EM WERE COMPLETELY REPLACED. BUT, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD ON THE, ON THE OPEN BOTTOM PART, I GUESS FOR THE PREVIOUS WINDOW SCREENS, THEY WERE, THEY WERE BOWED. SO THEY, UH, THEY ADDED A HORIZONTAL, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA SPEND TIME HERE ON H D R C. OH, WE SHOULD SEND THIS TO A D R C AND SAME THING, JUST DISCUSS COMPROMISES AND SEE WHICH ONES I AM A LITTLE BIT, UM, TEMPTED TO DO A MOTION WHICH SAYS, YOU KNOW, UM, WHERE I WOULD, I MEAN, PROBABLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO REVERT ALL THE WINDOW SCREENS, WHICH IS NOT A HUGE INVESTMENT, BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, REVERT SOME OF REVERSE SOME OF THESE THINGS SO HE ACTUALLY CAN GET THAT HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. MM-HMM. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING. COMMISSIONER GRU, I AGREE WITH YOUR, UM, ASSESSMENT OF THIS, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE STYLE AND THOSE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS FOR THIS STYLE. SO THE, UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY, UH, QUAINT THAT OUR ARCH IN THE SCREEN, UM, WAS SIMILAR TO THE ARCH ABOVE THE WINDOWS IN THE, THE BRICKWORK. UM, I SO REVERTING THE SCREENS TO SOMETHING MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE WOULD BE THE FIRST THING. I WOULD ALSO BE IN SUPPORT OF REVERTING THE GABLE END MATERIAL BACK TO WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS ALSO, AND REMOVING THOSE RUSTIC SHAKE SHINGLES, I DON'T AS, UM, MAYBE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UM, IN A, YOU KNOW, CONTEMPORARY WAY THAT THEY ARE. UM, THEY DON'T FIT THE STYLE, UH, AND THEY CERTAINLY DISTRACT FROM THE STYLE. SO I WOULD SAY, UM, WE, WE REVERT TO ALL OF THOSE CHARACTER DIVIDING ELEMENTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONT FACADE. AND THEN WE'RE NOT REALLY ASKING FOR CHANGES IN FENESTRATIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ECONOMICALLY COULD BE POSSIBLE BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OPTION OF GETTING THE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. SO BASICALLY IT'LL BE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMM. STAFF STIPULATIONS. AND THEN, UM, THE APPLICANT CAN THEN DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SIX ONE ONE FISH. AYE. SINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. AND FED. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 19. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 59 2 22 WIX. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH A NON-ORIGINAL TWO STORY REAR EDITION TWO, CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY REAR EDITION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH L STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION H D R C STIPULATION ONE, THAT THE REAR EDITION BE DECONSTRUCTED VERSUS MECHANICALLY DEMOLISHED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A COMPREHENSIVE SALVAGE AND REUSE PLAN TO STAFF PRIOR TO FINAL APPROVAL AND A PARTIAL DEMOLITION PERMIT BEING ISSUED. TWO, THAT THE ADDITION BE SET BACK FURTHER FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND INCORPORATE A CLEAR TRANSITION FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE SUCH AS A CONNECTOR ELEMENT, A STEP THROUGH LINE THAT TRANSITIONS FROM ONE TO TWO STORIES OR ANOTHER METHOD OF TRANSITION THAT MINIMIZES THE ADDITIONS VISUAL AND STRUCTURAL IMPACT IS NOTED IN FINDINGS. F I AND J [03:20:01] A ROOF PLAN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED THAT CLEARLY INDICATES HOW THE NEW ADDITION WILL AFFECT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE'S EXISTING ROOF LINE STIPULATION THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS ROOF LINE BE MODIFIED TO REDUCE THE VISUAL IMPACT ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS F I AND J STIPULATION FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW OF FINAL APPROVAL. THESE SHOULD MEET STAFF STANDARDS WHEN STIPULATIONS FOR NEW WINDOWS. UM, THE APPLICANT, JASON MORIN SHOULD BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. UM, JASON RIGHT THERE. THERE. HELLO EVERYONE. YEP, WE HEAR YOU. YES. GOOD EVENING. UM, DO Y'ALL HEAR AN ECHO? NO, NO, WE DON'T HEAR ONE. OKAY. IT'S JUST, JUST ON MY END. UM, SO, UM, I'VE, WE'VE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO H D R C AND, UM, WE AGREED TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND WE, UM, MET ON SITE, UM, FOR A D R C AND WE ALSO MET, UM, UH, VIA ZOOM CALL, UH, FOR ANOTHER D R C TO REVIEW UPDATED DRAWINGS. UM, SO IN RESPONSES, UM, FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION, WE, UM, HAVE A SET OF DRAWINGS HERE THAT, THAT RESPONDS TO THESE ITEMS. YES. SO THIS REQUEST IS RETURNING FROM D R C. UM, JASON WILL GO AHEAD AND START WITH YOUR, UH, MOST RECENT DOCUMENTS. THIS IS STARTING ON THIS PAGE HERE. OKAY, GREAT. UM, IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD GO TO, UH, THIS, THE FLOOR PLAN PAGE, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT ONE. UM, RIGHT, SO ON, ON THE FLOOR PLAN, UM, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES. THIS WAS, UM, UH, BASICALLY THE NOTHING ON THE FLOOR PLAN CHANGED. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE EXISTING WALLS ARE IN WHITE AND THE NEW, UM, WALLS ARE DARK. UM, SO THE, THERE WAS AN EXISTING, UM, ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH WE ARE MAINTAINING AND KIND OF JUST RENOVATING THAT ADDITION AND ADDING ON, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT, UM, UH, EIGHT FEET, UM, ON THE, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE, ONE OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WAS THAT WE REDUCED THE IMPACT OF THE SECOND STORY, UM, RENOVATION. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, HERE THAT WE REVISED OUR DRAWING TO, UM, VISUALLY REDUCE THE HEIGHT AND IMPACT, UM, UH, UM, AS WELL AS, AS BEST WE COULD AND MAINTAIN A MINIMAL LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE, UM, FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, IF YOU GO BACK UP A, A PAGE, YOU CAN SEE ON THAT, UH, PERSPECTIVE VIEW, UM, THAT YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE, UM, UH, REAR ADDITION, UM, FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, WE ALSO REDUCED THE SLOPE OF THE, THE REAR ADDITION, UM, TO MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT AS WELL. UM, WE, UM, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE DID WE DO ON THE, AND SORRY THAT THAT, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS. UM, IF, IF WE CONTINUE TO SCROLL, UM, THESE ARE EXISTING, UM, CONDITIONS. SO HERE'S A ROOF PLAN THAT SHOWS, UM, HOW WE INTEND TO, UH, CONNECT THE, THE ROOF ON THE, THE, THE RENOVATED ADDITION TO THE EXISTING, UM, AND HAVE THAT ALL TIE IN. UH, IF WE COULD SCROLL, CONTINUE TO SCROLL. UM, SO HERE'S A, A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY, UM, THAT WE WERE ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER WHERE FROM THE, THE STREET IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE ACTUAL GRADE OF THE HOUSE. SO BY MINIMIZING THE, UM, HEIGHT OF THE ROOF. AND THEN ALSO, UM, DUE TO THE, UH, SLOPE AND GRADE THE, WE BELIEVE THAT THE SECOND, UH, STORY RENOVATION ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE WILL BE, UM, UH, VERY MINIMAL IF, IF YOU, UH, VISUALLY MINIMAL. [03:25:02] UH, IF WE CONTINUE TO SCROLL, I DON'T THINK THAT GETS IN. OKAY, SO THOSE ARE THE PREVIOUS DESIGNS. SO IF WE JUST GO TO MAYBE A PERSPECTIVE VIEW ON THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, UM, WE CAN, OR, OR THE ELEVATIONS, WE CAN SEE HOW THE ELEVATION PREVIOUSLY WAS SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, HIGHER THAN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, ALL I HAVE. OKAY, THANK YOU. QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON THE, THESE SUBMITTED DRAWINGS ON THE 14TH, ON THE 15TH, THE, UH, THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS HAVEN'T REALLY, UM, AFFECTED STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, SO THOSE STAY CURRENT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS ELSE. HI, THIS IS NANCY DEAL AT 4 22 ADAMS STREET IN KING WILLIAM. I'M CALLING ABOUT 2 22 WIX CASE 2022 DASH 1 59. I AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DELAY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL UNTIL MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ARE PROVIDED. IN ADDITION TO THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE SIDELIGHTS NEXT TO THE FRONT DOOR, RETURNING ALL THE FRONT WINDOWS TO THEIR HISTORIC DIMENSIONS. THE PROPOSED PORCH RAILING, WHICH IN THE CURRENT DRAWING SEEMS TO TOUCH THE PORCH AT THE BOTTOM AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE TEXTURED HARDY PLANK IN SOME OF THE MOCKUP PHOTOS OF THE BACK EDITION PROVIDED. I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASSING OF THE REAR EDITION AS IT OVERLOOKS THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING MY OPINION. YES, THIS IS LISA LIND OF THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION AT 1 22 MADISON. REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 1 59 2 22 WIX STREET. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE REVISED DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION TO NOT GRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THE 1912 SANBORN MAP INDICATES A ONE STORY STRUCTURE ON A FOOTPRINT AS IT EXISTS TODAY. THE REAR WING IS NOT ORIG, IS ORIGINAL, NOT NON-ORIGINAL, AS CHARACTERIZED IN THE APPLICATION AND THEREFORE DESERVES CONSIDERATION FOR PRESERVATION. THE ORIGINAL ONE STORY BACK WAS SUBSEQUENTLY MODIFIED AND THE SHED ROOF WAS ADDED TO INCORPORATE A ROOM IN THE ORIGINAL ATTIC. SEE THE NORTHWEST PHOTO ON THE NEXT PAGE AND NOTE THE ORIGINAL SIDING AND ROOF FORM. I BELIEVE YOU'VE RECEIVED A COPY OF THIS LETTER. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE HISTORIC RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTATION TO ESTABLISH IF THE CURRENT REAR EDITION IS NON-CONTRIBUTING OR NON-ORIGINAL PRIOR TO RECEIVING THE APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION. OTHERWISE, THE REAR WING SHOULD REMAIN AND BE RESTORED. IF IT IS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSIONERS THAT DEMOLITION OF THE REAR WING IS JUSTIFIED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW ADDITION. WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF STIPULATION TO PROVIDE A PROPER TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND ANY NEW ADDITION. THE REVISED DESIGN REDUCED THE HEIGHT AND VISUAL IMPACT OF THE ADDITION WHEN VIEWED FROM THE STREET. HOWEVER, THE FORM PROPORTION AND ROOF PITCH OF THE ADDITION IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES. ADDITIONALLY, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ON THE STREET AND OTHER FACADES OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WERE REMOVED AND OPENINGS WERE MODIFIED TO ACCOMMODATE A STOCK SIZE OF REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, WHICH IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT GUIDELINES. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE REMOVED AND WINDOWS OF THE ORIGINAL SIZE BE INSTALLED TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF DEMOLITION WORK BEING PERFORMED ON A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. WITHOUT PROPER PRIOR APPROVAL, ANY MATERIALS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SALVAGED HAVE LIKELY BEEN DISCARDED. SINCERELY, MICKEY CONRAD AND SEAN CAMPBELL OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MICHELLE MONSO. I LIVE AT 2 2 6 WIX AND I'M CALLING ABOUT CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 15 9 2 2 2 WIX. I AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DELAY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL UNTIL MORE DETAILS ARE PROVIDED ON THIS PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO STAFF'S FINDINGS. RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE H D R C CLAIM THAT THE BACK OF THIS STRUCTURE IS NOT ORIGINAL. IT IS ON THE SANBORN MAPS FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS IN THE FORM THAT IT'S IN TODAY. SO I'M REQUESTING THAT THE H D R C EITHER PROVIDE US WITH AN EXPLANATION [03:30:01] AS TO WHY THEY MADE THIS CLAIM OR DO DUE DILIGENCE RESEARCH TO CONFIRM THAT THEIR ASSERTION IS IN DEEP FACT AND PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS TO THE KING WILLIAM A A C AS THEY'RE ALSO CHALLENGING THIS CLAIM BY H D R C IF THIS STRUCTURE IS ORIGINAL. PLANS TO TEAR IT DOWN SHOULD BE PUT ON HOLD AND THE ENTIRE PLAN SHOULD BE REDESIGNED AS THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY. THE ADDITION THE DEVELOPER FROM CALIFORNIA WANTS TO BUILD, WE'LL LOOM OVER MY BACKYARD DISRUPTING MY PRIVACY. I'M REQUESTING THAT THE ADDITION BE SETBACK FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, MUCH MORE THAN THE SMALL SETBACK IN THE DEVELOPER'S PLAN. IF THE STRUCTURE IS INDEED ORIGINAL, IT SHOULD REMAIN IN THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT WITH SETBACK AS THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT EXISTS. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. OKAY, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU HAS A D R C REPORT. WELL, AND ACTUALLY JUST BEFORE, UH, BECAUSE THESE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS OPENED UP A, A NEW CAN OF WORMS, SO ARE WE SURE IT'S NOT ORIGINAL? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH? I MEAN, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS CLAIMING THIS, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING. UM, ON THE SCREEN CURRENTLY IS THE 1912 SANDBORN MAP. UM, I'LL COMPARE THIS WITH THE AERIAL OF THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. WELL, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEAN I THINK ORIGINALLY IT DID HAVE A SIMILAR FOOTPRINT. I I THINK IT'S HARD TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S IN ITS SAME ORIGINAL FORM JUST BASED ON THE CHANGES IN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO I WANNA SAY LIKE THERE WAS A, AFTER D R C WITH THE DRAWINGS, WHICH I WAS NOT PART OF, BUT I WAS THERE IN PERSON AND I'VE SEEN THIS, I MEAN THERE'S TWO THINGS. UM, THE APPLICATION DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE WINDOWS, BUT WE DID DISCUSS THE WINDOWS WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR. MORAN, YOU WERE THERE RIGHT WHEN I WENT THERE. YES, WE AGREE TO, I CAN'T SEE YOUR FACE. I WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE THE SAME PERSON, BUT I MEAN THERE WAS A LOT OF AGREEMENTS AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOT TO DO WITH THIS CASE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT THERE AND IT'S ALSO JUST CONCEPTUAL. BUT ALL THE WINDOWS THEY WERE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, DO ONE OH ONES KEEP, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS JUST, THERE WAS AGREEMENT TO THAT. AND THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT THERE. THERE WAS ALSO AGREEMENT DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT ON THE PORCH. THOSE COLUMNS ARE NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL. WE THINK IT'S NOT EVEN WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME, BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER THEY'RE GONNA KEEP AS IS OR JUST LOOK AT WHAT OTHER OPTIONS THERE COULD BE BEFORE EVEN MOVING FORWARD. BUT IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THIS APPLICATION. SO I KNOW SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS WERE ABOUT THAT AND I THINK THE APPLICANT'S REALLY WORKING. THE APPLICANT IS NOT. YOU JUST TOOK OVER THE PROPERTY. UM, IT'S AN EYESORE ON THIS BLOCK AND I HOPE THAT SOMEBODY ACTUALLY WILL START DOING SOME WORK TO IT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST TIME AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. I'M MR. MORAN, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THE ONE STIPULATION WHERE IT SAYS THAT IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIKE CLEAR DIFFERENT SHAPE BETWEEN, UH, LET'S GO TO SLIDE. I DON'T KNOW THE ONE, THERE'S AERIAL VIEW AND THAT'S THE ONE THING I WANNA EXPLAIN TO THE APP, TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND TO THE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALSO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE ROOF, THAT ROOF SIDE THAT'S TO THE WEST. KIND OF LIKE, SORRY, THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH, THAT SIDE THAT IS ACTUALLY STAYING AS IS. THERE'S, IT'S NOT EVEN BEING TOUCHED. SO WHERE DO WE MAKE THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE NEW AND THE OLD? THAT'S KIND OF THE HARD PART. I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY THE REASON WHY THIS WEIRD BREW FORM. I THINK THIS SOLUTION AND INSIDE THERE'S ACTUALLY A BEAM THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN . SO THIS SOLUTION IS BASED ON ALSO HOW THE BEAMS ARE ON THE INSIDE AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM THE INSIDE WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S NOT. OR LET'S JUST SAY WHERE THIS WEIRD SECOND STORY ADDITION BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ABOUT. IT'S IT'S SECOND STORY OF A, THE BACK PART THAT'S BEEN ADDED TO AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY, UM, WEIRD. HE'S LOWERED MUCH MORE THE PLATES SO THAT THAT IS MINIMUM VIS VISUALIZATION. IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY STANDING, THIS HOUSE IS FOUR OR FIVE FEET ABOVE THE GROUND, SO YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THIS ADDITION FROM THE BACK. I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN MAYBE ON THE VISUAL IMPACT, BUT THIS IS ALSO CONSIDERING LIKE THE, SHE'S, I THINK THE VISUAL IMPACT RIGHT NOW IS WORSE. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ROOF IS COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S ALSO BASED ON WHAT'S EXISTING. AND I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFUSION HERE. THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON DEMOLISHING THE WHOLE THING . RIGHT, RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE IN THE THIRD PHOTO DOWN ON THE LEFT THAT THERE'S THE EXISTING ADDITION AND WE [03:35:01] ARE KEEPING THAT ADDITION AND JUST, UH, RENOVATING AND ADDING ONTO IT. WEST, WEST ELEVATION CAN ALSO SEE, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THE SECOND, UH, PHOTO ON THE LEFT SIDE THE EXISTING ROOF LINE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROBABLY ORIGINAL. ORIGINAL. SO A QUESTION MR. MORAN, ON THAT PHOTO, THE THIRD DOWN ON A FOUR, HOW MUCH ARE YOU ADDING ON TO THAT FRAMED PORTION? CAN YOU ? I NEED TO CONFIRM. I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, EIGHT FEET ON THE BACK, BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT. AND HOW FAR WILL THAT BE SET BACK FROM THAT EXISTING GABLE END? IT COMES RIGHT UP TO WHERE THAT WINDOW IS FRAMED, KIND OF OVER ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT RIGHT AT THE WINDOW FRAME, RIGHT? CORRECT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THE, AND, AND MR. MORRAN YOU TOOK OVER AFTER APARTMENT DEMOLITION HAS BEEN ALREADY MADE. CORRECT. SO THERE'S NO WINDOWS ON, UH, ON, ON THE LOT, WHATEVER ON PROPERTY. NOT A LOT OF THE SIDING, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT YOU COULD ALSO COMPLY WITH, UM, PARTIAL DEMOLITION AND SALVAGE REUSE PLAN, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH, A LOT. A A LOT OF THE WINDOWS THAT WERE GONNA BE REAR REPLACING, UM, THEY WERE, THEY'RE ALREADY INSTALLED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. SO WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THOSE AND UH, PUT THEM BACK TO THEIR HISTORIC PROFILE ON THE SIDING. WE ARE MATCHING THE EXISTING SIDING. WE'RE NOT INSTALLING ANY PARTY. MR. CHAIR? YES, COMMISSIONER SINO. THANK YOU. UM, MY OBSERVATIONS ON THIS AND STUDYING THE PLAN AND, AND TAKING A QUICK LOOK ON THE STREET, I DON'T THINK THE ADDITION IS BEING PROPOSED IS AN ISSUE. THE HEIGHT, THE RIDGE LINE, I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE. I DO HAVE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE ORIGINAL REAR, HOW THAT ORIGINAL REAR WAS MODIFIED SOME YEARS AGO, HOW MANY DECADES AGO, AND WHAT IT IS DOING TO THE DESIGN PROCESS NOW. UM, BY RESPECTING EVEN A POOR ADDITION, UM, AND GIVING IT CREDENCE AND PRESS AND PRECEDENT. LET'S SEE. LET'S LOOK AT THE A FOUR. THE, UM, UM, YEAH, LOWER ONE LEFT SIDE PHOTO. LOOKING AT THE BACK THERE, UM, WHERE WE SEE THE, UH, IS IT SOUTHEAST ELEVATION WHEN WE SEE THAT, WE CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS SOME UNFORTUNATE WORK DONE AT SOME POINT. UM, PART OF THE REASON I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND THIS IS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THE FOOTPRINT, THE FORM OF IT HAS BEEN OBSCURED BY THIS. AND OUR ATTENTION IS GOING TO, TO THIS AND HOW WE MAKE THIS WORK. UM, I, AND THE RESULT IS AN ADDITIONAL ON THE BACK THAT DOESN'T ACKNOWLEDGE A TRANSITION. AND THAT'S WHAT I, I NEED TO SEE. IT'S, WE HAVE THIS SORT OF MORPHED KIND OF HOUSE THAT HAS LOST ITS VICTORIAN TEA PLAN BASICALLY. UM, AND SO IF WE DID, IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE DESIGN PROCESS WHERE THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT IS, WHAT THAT HOUSE WAS, IT'LL MAKE THAT ADDITION READ MORE. THE NEW ADDITION BARRING US HAVING SERVITUDE TO THIS THING THAT WE SEE NOW, IT'LL MAKE THE NEW ADDITION CLEAR LEGIBLE SO WE CAN MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THAT HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE NEW EDITION. ALL WE'RE DOING NOW IS CONTINUING WHAT I WOULD SAY IS A BAD TRADITION. UM, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF'S FINDINGS THAT WE NEED TO SEE THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST FOR, I, I THINK THAT APPLIES ALSO TO REAR ADDITIONS THAT WE DON'T SEE FROM THE STREET. SO, UM, AND THE ONE WAY TO GET TO THAT IS TO REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT, THE ORIGINAL ROOF LINE, AND THEN GO [03:40:01] FROM THERE. YEAH, AND LET ME CLARIFY ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THIS IS THAT IF YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT, THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM. SO IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THE DRAWINGS. UM, AND AND THAT'S GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT, WHERE THAT WINDOW IS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY KEEP GOING DOWN. YEAH, THAT RIGHT THERE, UH, NO ON THE NEW ONES, RIGHT? THIS IS THE OLD PLAN. SO YOU GOTTA GO TO THE NEW SUBMITTER. MR. MR CHAIR. UH, I'D LIKE TO ONE MOMENT PLEASE. LET'S GET TO THE DRAWING THAT, UM, YEAH, COMMISSIONER GRU WANTED TO COMMENT ON THIS RIGHT THERE. EXACTLY. SO ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, YOU SEE THAT WINDOW, MR. CHAIR, THAT YOU WERE ASKING LIKE, WHERE DOES THE ADDITION ACTUALLY GO? IT GOES UP TO THAT DOOR, WHICH ACTUALLY IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COME BACK TO. WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. OKAY. AND I THINK THIS ALSO DEPICTS A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE HOW FAR SET BACK IT IS FROM THE FRONT. AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE THAT, THAT TRANSITION COULD BE CREATED FROM WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY AND WHAT WAS GOING NOW. SO JUST REALLY ADDING, HE DID SAY EIGHT FEET. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EXACT, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THAT SIDE, FROM THE STREET, YOU CANNOT SEE IT AND THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS INSIDE. I MEAN THE FLOORS ARE ORIGINAL. THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THAT. SO YOU HAVE, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE BOTTOM WAS ONE ORIGINAL HOUSE. THIS ADDITION THAT WAS DONE ON THE SECOND STORY IS WHAT'S MAKING THIS PROJECT VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU WANNA KEEP A ROOF LINE, YOU WANNA KEEP AS MUCH AS WE CAN HISTORICALLY, BUT IT'S CREATING THIS, I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT A SIX FOOT, YOU CAN'T DO A SIX FOOT AND TWO SECOND STORY. IT'S EITHER REMOVING THE WHOLE IDEA OF HAVING A SECOND STORY. AND I THINK THIS GIVES THE OPTION TO HAVE THIS HOUSE WITH A PARTIAL SECOND STORY AND IT'S ACTUALLY GIVING THAT OPTION. HE'S, HE'S REALLY CUTTING A BIG PIECE OF THE BATHROOM JUST TO KEEP THAT ORIGINAL ROOF LINE. THERE IS ALREADY, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE SEE NORMALLY, BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY GO TO THE PROPERTY, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE DO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO IT IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT I FEEL LIKE EVERY SINGLE COMMISSIONER SHOULD GO TO THIS PROPERTY AND LOOK AT IT FROM INSIDE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA REVEAL A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING WHY THIS PROJECT LIKE THIS, THIS IS WHY THIS ROOF LINE NEEDS TO BE LIKE THAT. NOW. NOW, MR. MR. CHAIR, I WANNA SEE IF STAFF COULD GO TO THE PAGE THAT'S A TWO, THE DRAWINGS A TWO AND THEN, UM, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, THE DRAWINGS ARE VERY CONFUSING 'CAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT SETS OF DRAWINGS. NO, IT WOULD BE THE A THE OTHER A TWO. IT'S THE A TWO, THAT'S THE TWO STORY ASPECT. SO THIS IS THE MOST RECENT DOCUMENT. UM, DID YOU WANNA GO TO THE ORIGINAL PLANS? WELL, I, I JUST, THERE'S JUST A DRAWING THAT SHOWS SOMETHING THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT DRAWING OR NOT. 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DRAWINGS, BUT IT STILL SHOWS SOMETHING IF, IF, IF YOU GO UP I IT'S FOR ME IT'S, HEY TWO, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHICH, HEY, TWO IT IS FOR ME. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED AND THAT'S CHANGED NOW. SO I DON'T WANNA DISCUSS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT'S CHANGING IT WELL. YEAH. YEP. AND AND I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY SENSITIVE OF YOU. EVEN EVEN THAT DRAWING. I MEAN IF YOU JUST SO THIS IS, THIS IS ZOOM IN ON IT. ZOOM IN ON THE, ON THE, ON THE RENDERING? YEAH. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? THIS IS THE OLD PLAN? NO, THE OLD ONE. THIS IS THE OLD PLAN. OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE TALLER, THE TALLER ONE. THAT IS THE, WELL, THAT IS THE OLD ONE. THAT IS THE TALLER ONE. TALLER ONE, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL. OKAY. WHICH HAS BEEN REVISED. OKAY, NOW SHOW ME THE REVISED VERSION. THIS IS THE MOST RECENT. BASICALLY THEY, THEY CHANGED THE GABLE FROM ONE DIRECTION TO THE OTHER AND MADE IT SHALLOWER PITCH. OKAY. I'M, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE WRONG DRAWING. UM, IT'S ALL GOOD ON THE SAME PAGE AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF APPLICANTS. UM, I'M GONNA WRITE HER TO DO A MOTION WELL BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU DO THAT. RIGHT. WELL, LET'S GET A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION. WELL, I, WE, WE DIDN'T EVEN OKAY, FINE. WE'RE JUST AS LONG AS WE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE BREAKING THE NORMAL RULES AND THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I LOVE BREAKING RULES. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. YOU HAVE DONE MOTIONS MANY TIMES BEFORE WE OH, NO, NO, I'M WITH THE RULE BREAKING THING. DON'T, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M WITH YOU. PLEASE LET US COME TO ORDER. WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A MOTION. I, I, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I, I WAS UNDER UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE, BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH TWO DRCS THAT WE WERE GOING FOR, UH, FINAL APPROVAL. UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT. I BELIEVE THE POSTED AGENDA SAYS CONCEPTUAL. OKAY. UNLESS THAT WAS MADE CLEAR TO STAFF FIRST TO UPDATE, WE [03:45:01] HAVE TO GO BY WHAT'S POSTED. UM, ULTIMATELY IT'S THE DOCUMENTATION LEVEL THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE WHAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR FINAL VERSUS CONCEPTUAL. BUT I, IT SOUNDS LIKE, SO MR. MORAN, IF I MAKE A CON WELL, OR IF I MAKE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL RIGHT NOW AND SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH FAIRLY QUICK WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT I'M GONNA ADD TO IT. I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO FINAL FAIRLY QUICK AFTER THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I THINK YOU'RE FINE WITH STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, AT LEAST YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD DO ON STIPULATION TWO IS MAYBE JUST SOMEWHERE MAKING SOME VISUAL ADD-ONS TO WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY AND WHAT, WHAT IT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO. AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE THING THAT WE'LL JUST HAVE TO DISCUSS AND LOOK AT BEFORE YOU SUBMIT. AND, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR. SO WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A, A SECOND? SECOND. I'LL SECOND. YOU HAVE A SECOND NOW. ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE ARTICULATION BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE OTHER DRAWING, WHICH IS NOT THE DRAWING THAT'S HERE, BUT THE, THEY'RE SIMILAR AND THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, THE ANGLE OF, OF, UH, THIS, THE PERSPECTIVE ON THE, THE THREE D VIEW. TWO, HOW COMPLICATED THAT IS. I THINK THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, UH, COMING FROM THE OTHER, UH, DRAWING THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, UM, THEY, THEY, I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A CLEAR OPPORTUNITY TO ARTICULATE THOSE SPACES IN THIS, IN THIS KIND OF A, A SIMPLE SOLUTION THAT, UH, THERE PROBABLY WAS MORE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FIRST SOLUTION. BUT THIS IS STILL A VERY, UM, UH, REASONABLE WAY FOR THEM TO NOT ONLY, I, I THINK ACHIEVE WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT THEM TO ACHIEVE, BUT ALSO TO MINIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR WATER INFILTRATION. I MEAN, I, I I CAN SEE HOW THE, HOW, UM, THIS IS KIND OF A HEALTHY SOLUTION FOR THIS HOUSE. BUT AGAIN, I, I PERSONALLY THINK THE FIRST SOLUTION WAS THE WAY TO GO WITH SOME ARTICULATION. THIS IS NOT IT, BUT MY SECOND STANCE. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. UH, REGARDING, UM, THE WHOLE PROPOSAL, DOES THIS PROPOSAL NOT INCLUDE ANY WORK ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE? FOR INSTANCE, THE DOOR PLACES WE SEE SIGNS OF IT IN THE DRAWINGS, WE SEE SOMETHING IN THE FINDING AT THE VERY BOTTOM, BUT WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE TOO, SO THAT WE HAVE A COHESIVE PROJECT. SURE. SO THE, THE APPLICANT IS COMING IN, UM, AFTER A FEW VIOLATIONS. UH, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE APPLICANT IS TAKING THIS ON AFTER WORK'S BEEN PERFORMED, UM, BUT THEY'VE BEEN IN PROGRESS OF SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS FOR THE OTHER SCOPES OF WORK TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE THE FRONT PORCH, UM, THE FOUNDATION, ET CETERA. OKAY. SO, AND IF THESE ARE ADMIN, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THEM ON THE EXPLORER MAP AT SOME TIME? YES, SOON. IF THEY WERE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED, THINGS LIKE THE, UM, THE FOUNDATION WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. UM, THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED THESE APPLICATIONS THOUGH AT THIS TIME. OKAY, BECAUSE I'M RELUCTANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON, ON THE REAR PORTION OF THE HOUSE IF WE'RE NOT MAKING THE COMMITMENT TO THE FIRST FRONT PORTION. BUT IT'S ONLY CONCEPTUAL TODAY. IT'S NOT EVEN FINAL. JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON RECORD. SO MOTION A SECOND. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE FISH. SO, I'M SORRY, UH, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PROCESS, WE DO AGREE AND, AND WE ARE KEEPING ALL THE EXISTING OPENINGS, THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. UM, AND, AND SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE PROCESS MOVING, MOVING FORWARD AFTER, AFTER, UH, WHAT'S BEEN DECIDED THIS, UH, AFTERNOON? UM, IF THE STIPULATIONS AND THE MOTION ARE APPROVED, UM, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO UPDATE THE DOCUMENTATION TO ADDRESS THOSE STIPULATIONS, SUBMIT FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND RETURN TO THE H C R C FOR C O A. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FISH, CAN WE HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN? I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT IT. NAYYY. THANK YOU. SABINA. NAYYY VELAZQUEZ AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTES, NAYYY AND FETZER NAY. MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I'M [03:50:01] NOT, I'M NOT AVAILABLE FOR A SITE VISIT FOR ANOTHER WEEK OR SO, AND BY NO MEANS SHOULD, SHOULD ACTION WAIT FOR EVERY COMMISSIONER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A SITE VISIT. BUT THE, THE KING WILLIAM, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING WHAT'S ORIGINAL AND WHAT'S BEING DEMOLISHED IS A CONCERN OF MINE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE STRUCTURE IN THE REAR. OBVIOUSLY THE SECOND STORY IS NOT ORIGINAL, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING TO ME AS TO WHAT IS AND WHAT IS BEING DEMOLISHED. SO THE STATEMENT OF THE ADDITIONAL EIGHT FEET THAT'S ADDED ONTO THAT SIDE, BEYOND THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THE ROOF CONNECTION INTO THE, UH, STRUCTURE IS A PARTICULAR CONCERN TO ME. UH, AND, UH, ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS OF CONCERN TO ME. SO IF THE ORIGINAL, IF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AND THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE OF THE FIRST STORY IS, IS ENT, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS ADDITION, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE HERE IS NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE AND THAT ORIGINAL ELEMENTS MAY HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED THAT NEED TO BE RESTORED. AND TO ME, THIS IS UNCLEAR. I CAN APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER GROUPS, UH, SITE VISIT AND, UH, A REPORT ON THAT. AND I SHARE, UH, MANY OF HER HER THOUGHTS, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY. I MOVE BASED THOSE CONCERNS. I'LL MOVE TO HER D R C AND I'LL REQUEST OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO REALLY GO AND ATTEND THAT D R C SO THEY CAN GET IT IS, IT IS IT IS A PROPERTY THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM EVERYTHING ELSE. I'D LIKE TO AMEND THAT, UH, YOUR MOTION, UM, TO ALSO INCLUDE REPRESENTATIVES OF KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION TO THAT SITE. D R C, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY WAS ALSO THERE PRESENT AND THEY AGREED, BUT, UH, FOR FREE IT'S FINE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT, CAN WE? WELL, WE WILL, WE CAN CERTAINLY EXTEND THE INVITATION. WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT THEY BE THERE, BUT I THINK THEY WILL. YOU, MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT THE, UH, THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SHOWN FIRST, THE, THE ONE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT BEFORE US TODAY, UM, THERE IT, THERE, THERE'RE CLEARLY A BETTER EFFORT TO, UH, DELINEATE BETWEEN THE OLD ARCHITECTURE AND THE NEW ARCHITECTURE. AND THE DIALOGUE THAT WAS DOMINANT AT THAT TIME WAS ABOUT THE ARTICULATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO SPACES. AND I REMEMBER THAT THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT, WELL THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH ALL THE WATER, RIGHT? BECAUSE ARTICULATING, YOU KNOW, ROOF PITCH AWAY FROM, FROM THE, THE VERTICAL ELEMENT OF THE WALL, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE PROBLEM, BUT THEN PULLING 'EM APART ENOUGH TO MAKE A VISIBLE, A VISIBLE, UH, REVEAL BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS PRESENTS A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. BUT IN, IN NOT DIVING INTO THAT CONVERSATION FURTHER, UH, THE APPLICANT WENT AND REDESIGNED SOMETHING THAT, THAT I I, IN, IN MY, MY FEELING, WELL, I DON'T WANNA SAY MY FEELING, MY EXPERIENCE TELLS ME THAT THE REASON WHY IT FAILED IS BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY NOT A, NOT A GOOD SOLUTION. BUT THE SOLUTION IS REALLY A RESPONSE TO NOT TAKING THE TIME TO DEAL WITH THE SIMPLE, UM, BUT COMPLICATED, UM, UH, ISSUE OF ARTICULATING, RIGHT? UH, UH, THE, THE, THE LARGER, MORE MASSIVE, UM, ASSEMBLAGE WITH THE MORE HISTORIC ASSEMBLAGE. BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PICTURE, LIKE THE PICTURE THAT, UH, JIMMY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE ONE THAT, THAT WE ALL ARE LOOKING AT, BUT THE ONE JIMMY HAS ON THE SCREEN HAS ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PROCESS IS PEELING BACK RIGHT? AND LOOKING FOR SHADOWS OF SOMETHING. AND, AND, AND CLEARLY THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH DAMAGE DONE THAT THAT REALLY SHOULD WEIGH, I, UH, THAT REALLY SHOULD WEIGH ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT TO HAVE, HAVE SOME POWER TO, TO CREATIVELY INTERPRET SOMETHING THAT, THAT ISN'T THERE. AND, AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET INVOLVED, EVERYBODY'S GONNA WANT TO TELL SOMEBODY HOW TO DO IT AND IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED BY COMMITTEE. UM, UH, SO I, I HOPE THAT WHATEVER WE DO MOVING FORWARD, THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BECAUSE I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THE PERSON THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE DAMAGE THAT WAS DONE HERE IS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO A SIDE. D R C? NO, WE HAVE A SECOND. NO, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A WAGGING OF THE FINGER TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE GONNA CREATE. UH, UH THAT'S FINE. BUT WE NEED, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND I'D LIKE A SECOND PLEASE. I'LL SECOND. I'LL SECOND, SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. SABINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ [03:55:01] AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WHEN THEY TRY TO DO THE MOVE REPORT, THEY COULD AGENDA ITEM 20. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 180 1 11 15 WYOMING STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A REAR EDITION OF APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. TWO. RECONSTRUCT THE FRONT PORCH TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH WITH WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND FLOORING. REPLACE THE EXISTING STEEL COLUMNS WITH NEW ROUND DOOR STYLE COLUMNS AND INSTALL FRONT STAIR HANDRAILS. THREE. PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING NORTHEAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS. FOUR. REPLACE ALL THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND NEW WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS, SORRY, FIVE. PERFORM VARIOUS REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE TO INCLUDE REPLACEMENT OF THE DETERIORATED WOOD SIDING FOUNDATION AND IN-KIND SKIRTING REPAIR AND IN-KIND SHINGLE ROOF REPLACEMENT NUMBER ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, STIPULATION ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REUSE AND REINCORPORATE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS THAT ARE ENCLOSED AT THE REAR FACADE INTO THE REAR ADDITION. TWO, THAT THE REAR ADDITION FEATURE TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS WITH A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE AND THAT ALL RECTANGULAR WINDOWS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL SIZED LAR, SORRY, LARGE PICTURE WINDOWS SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE OPENINGS AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES. ORIGINAL OPENINGS WINDOWS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF. STANDARD STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE FRONT PORCH FEATURE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE PORCH WALLS. TWO. THAT COLUMN DETAILS BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THREE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE. FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING G. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ORIGINAL WINDOWS REMAIN IN THEIR ORIGINAL POSITION ON THE HISTORIC PART OF THE STRUCTURE WITH EXCEPTION TO THE REAR ELEVATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT APPROVAL THAT WINDOWS THAT ARE ENCLOSED BY THE NEW REAR ADDITION BE REINCORPORATED INTO THE NEW REAR ADDITION. FOUR. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND RE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, REPLACEMENT OF ALL EXISTING WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH K. IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, STAFF RECOMMENDS STANDARD STIPULATIONS. FINALLY, NUMBER FIVE, STAFF STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK BASED ON FINDING L WITH THIS, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL WORK BE DONE IN KIND AND THAT WHOLESALE SITING REPLACEMENT DOES NOT OCCUR WITHOUT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEING PROVIDED TO STAFF REGARDING THE CONDITION OF THE CURRENT SITING, UH, THE APPLICANT IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. UM, NO HE'S NOT, HE'S RIGHT HERE, BUT HE'LL HAVE TO SORRY, CAN YOU, UH, COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? SCOTT? I WORK WITH THE BILL ARCHITECT GROUP. OKAY. NAME'S JOWAN SCOTT. I WORK WITH THE DILL ARCHITECT GROUP AND WE CONSENT TO ALL, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, I DIDN'T GET TIME TO, UH, SEND A RESPONSE BY EMAIL, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING ON THIS, UM, LANDMARK PROPERTY. NOT A PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL STAFF ASSESSMENTS. I SECOND AS, AS PRINTED ON THE, UH, DOCUMENT. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE. SABINA AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. AND FEDOR AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR WAITING, SIR. ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 95 2 24 EAST CAROLINA STREET. [04:00:01] THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CRAFTSMAN STYLE FRONT PORCH COLUMNS WITH TWO STORY FIBERGLASS COLUMNS WITH IONIC CAPITALS. STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE COLUMN REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, OR SORRY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR COLUMN REPLACEMENT. UM, BUT ADDS TO THE STIPULATION THAT THE COLUMNS ARE WOOD CONSTRUCTION WITH DORIC STYLE CAPITALS. UH, THE APPLICANT IS JOINING VIRTUALLY MS. TYNDALL. HELLO? HI. HI. SO WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND KIND OF INTRODUCE US TO YOUR PROJECT AND EXPLAIN YOUR REQUEST. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. WE ARE TAKING THIS ON TO ADDRESS AN INHERITED VIOLATION FROM BEFORE WE OWN THE HOME. UM, THE OWNER AT THE TIME APPLIED FOR A HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION IN FEBRUARY, 2019 AND WAS DENIED BASED ON CITATION OF, UM, A VIOLATION OF COLUMNS. BASICALLY, THEY LEFT THE CURRENT STYLE, UH, SINGLE STORY COLUMNS WHERE THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FULL HEIGHT CLASSICAL COLUMNS. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HEARING WAS TO COMPLY WITH RECONSTRUCTION DESIGN FROM 2016 H D R C APPROVAL TO FEATURE FULL HEIGHT CLASSICAL COLUMNS. UM, SO WE LEARNED OF THIS VIOLATION LATE 2019 AFTER WE FIR PULLED OUR FIRST PERMIT TO DO SOME OTHER WORK ON THE HOME. UM, WE'RE THE FIRST OWNERS AFTER A TOTAL RENOVATION IN WHICH THE CURRENT COLUMNS WERE INSTALLED. UM, SO REGARDING THE CAPITALS, UM, IN CONVERSATION WITH H D R C OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS AND OUR CASE MANAGER FOR THE C O A, UM, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO US, UH, CLEAR EVIDENCE OF THE HISTORICALLY PRESENT CAPITALS. THE BEST PHOTOS SHOW ONLY ONE STANDING COLUMN WITH BROKEN OR MISSING CAPITAL, AND THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE UNCLEAR. SO WE WORKED WITH OUR CONTRACTOR AND THE ARCHITECTURAL CONSULTANT TO CHOOSE IONIC CAPITALS TO MEET, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR RECONSTRUCTION OR REPLACEMENT. UM, AND ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT THE MOST COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE THE ONLY, IT WOULD NOT BE THE ONLY HOME IN LAVACCA WITH IONIC. UM, SO WE, WE THOUGHT THEY WERE ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH, UH, TALLER COLUMNS AS MIGHT BE SEEN ON A TWO STORY BUILDING. AND THAT'S WHAT INFORMED OUR CHOICE ON THE THE CAPITALS. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UH, SUPPORTING YOUR REQUEST. WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL TOO, I BELIEVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM 21 2 24 EAST CAROLINA. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS AWARDED A BUILDING GRANT FOR THE COLUMN RESTORATION PROJECT AT 2 24 EAST CAROLINA. WE SUPPORT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANTS WHO HAVE UNDERTAKEN THIS TASK OF CORRECTING A VIOLATION MADE BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM AND THEIR CONTRACTOR TO ENSURE A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? CAN I, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE BOTH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. I JUST, IS THE APPLICANT AWARE OF THE STIPULATION OF THE WOOD? WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT OR YOU DIDN'T MENTION IT? UM, DEFINITELY AWARE OF, UNFORTUNATELY THE WOOD IS COST PROHIBITIVE. QUOTES RIGHT NOW ARE SHOWING PRICES FOR WOOD ABOUT DOUBLE THAT OF THE FIBERGLASS OPTION. UH, AND, AND THE THIS ALSO NOT BEING A ONE FOR ONE SWAP OR WRAPAROUND OF THE EXISTING COLUMNS. A LOT OF THE COST INCLUDES DEMO MODIFICATION, REPAIR OF THE BALCONY, UM, AS WELL AS REPLACEMENT OF THE COLUMNS THEMSELVES. SO, UH, IT'S A BIT OF A FRUSTRATING CIRCUMSTANCE IN THAT FOR US, UM, HAVING TAKEN ON THE, THE VIOLATION. UM, SO WE, WE REALLY DO WANT TO HONOR THE CLASSICAL FORM AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE. UM, BUT THE COST OF THE WOOD IS, IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN PROBLEM THERE FOR US. AND THEN ALSO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR IONIC CAPITALS AND STAFF IS ASKING FOR DORIC STYLE, BUT I FEEL LIKE BOTH THE CONSERVATION SIDE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ACTUALLY ACCEPTING THE I, RIGHT. THEY'RE AGREEING WITH IT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S LETTER AND, AND VOICEMAIL. UM, MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR [04:05:01] STAFF. UH, IF I CAN JUST, I I'M ACTUALLY READY TO BE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS PRESENTED FROM THE APPLICANT. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, THE CAN STAFF SPEAK TO THE, TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE CAPITAL IT TO, FROM, FROM, UM, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THAT THE, THE IONIC DOESN'T SEEM TO BE PROPER AND THE CORNER CAPITALS WOULD, WOULDN'T BE THAT CAPITAL, UM, OR WOULDN'T BE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE THAT, UM, PLACEMENT OF THAT CAPITAL. IT WOULD BE A CORNER CAPITAL, SO, RIGHT. SO THAT, THAT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A DORIC STYLE CAPITAL, SO THAT WOULD BE THAT MORE SQUARE STYLE THAT FITS. UM, WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE. UM, GIVEN THE STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, MR. RICHARD CHAIR, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK THE QUESTION'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT FRONT, UM, KIND OF DR UH, IMAGE OF THE, UH, OF THE BUILDING, WHICH SHOWS THE, THE THREE CO, THE THREE, UM, COLUMNS, IN THE CONTEXT OF IT BEING SQUARE OR IT BEING ROUND, I THINK SQUARE'S PROBABLY THE, THE, UH, THE, MAYBE THE MORE APPROPRIATE THE, THE THE THE COLUMN, ESPECIALLY USING IN A IONIC COLUMN. IT SEEMS THAT IT WANTS TO TO BE USED IN A SYMMETRICAL FORM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IF THE ELEVATION IS LYING OR IF IT'S TWISTED OR, OR, OR OUT OF PROPORTION. BUT, UH, IF YOU COULD SHOW THE, THE IMAGE THAT SHOWS THE, THE, THE, UH, COLUMNS WITH THE, WITH THE IONIC CAPITALS ON 'EM, IT'S A FLAT FRONT THAT SOMEHOW THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T READ PROPER BECAUSE THE, THE COLUMN WOULD IN, IN THAT FORM WOULD BE MORE DEMANDING TO THE CEMETERY OF THE FACADE. SO I, I WOULD, UM, UH, REALLY THINK THAT THE STAFF'S, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO THE THE END RESULT THAT, THAT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S BEFORE US HERE IN THIS IMAGE IS NOT MM-HMM. , UM, IT'S NOT SENSITIVE TO WHAT, WHAT WOULD PROBABLY REALLY BE THERE. AND UM, AND EVEN THEN IT, IT, IT, IT KIND OF PRESCRIBES A VINYL PRODUCT, WHEREAS IF IT WAS THE OTHER, THE WOOD WOULD NOT BE COST PROHIBITIVE AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, UM, UH, MORE IN KEEPING WITH, WITH THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? I THINK THERE'S AN ANSWER HALFWAY, UH, BETWEEN ALL OF THESE, UH, COMMENTS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS. YES. THE IONIC IS JUST NOT RIGHT IN THIS SITUATION. IT'S A LITTLE TOO ORNATE AND IT'S NOT FOLLOWING THE OTHER PATTERNS. UM, A DORIC, UH, IS INFINITELY MORE FLEXIBLE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD TURN OF THE CENTURY HOUSE. UM, IT IS NOT FANCY, IT IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM, AND REGARDING THE MATERIAL, I KNOW WE HAVE APPROVED VINYL OR FIBERGLASS OR COMPOSITE IN OTHER SITUATIONS. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE A ONE STORY COLUMN IN CAPITAL, UM, WHERE VISIBILITY IS REALLY EASY, UM, FOR THE USER, I THINK WOOD IS IMPORTANT, BUT HERE WE HAVE, UH, A DOUBLE HEIGHT ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENT AND, UM, I, I, UH, I THINK AN ARTIFICIAL MATERIAL WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN THIS CONDITION OR IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE OF THAT DOUBLE HEIGHT. I CAN WE PLEASE ASK THE APPLICANT WHY IS IT IRONIC AND NOT BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE THEY GOT A GRANT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T AFFECT THE GRANT. TRUE. WE, UH, WE CAN, I MEAN WE CAN, WE CAN DO DORIC. UM, I, IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT THE GRANT. UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS AWARE OF OUR HEARING, UM, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE A PROBLEM. UM, SO AS LONG AS IT IS ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE, UM, WE'RE AS A, THE APPLICANT, UH, I MEAN WE CAN, UH, WE DON'T NEED TO ARGUE ABOUT THE CAPITALS. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT WHAT WILL PASS THIS PROJECT . OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WE'LL, WE'LL THEN MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE, AND MAYBE I CAN ASK YOU A QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE, UH, YES. THE, THE, THE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THIS DRAWING IS DONE HERE, BUT THE, IS IS THE, THE SYMMETRY OF THE TWO COLUMNS OF, UH, PART OF THE, THE REGULATING LINES OF THE DOOR, OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, UH, AN EQUAL DIVISION OF THE FACADE? IS THAT RIGHT THERE? WHAT, WHAT ENDED UP BEING [04:10:01] A PLACEMENT OF A COLUMN BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE, THAT RETROFITTING IN THAT, IN THAT, THAT THAT BALCONY, WOULD IT HAVE ORIGINALLY BEEN THREE EQUALLY SPACED COLUMNS OR WOULD IT HAVE BEEN TWO COLUMNS CENTERED ON THE DOOR? DOES STAFF HAVE A EARLY PHOTO THAT MIGHT SHOW REMNANTS OF COLUMNS? I CAN FIND IT ON STRAIGHT VIEW AND I'M REALIZING NOW THAT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED. SO I'LL, I'LL PULL THAT UP REALLY QUICK. I MEAN, YEAH, THIS IS NOT UNHEARD OF HAVING THE TWO COLUMNS, UH, SYMMETRICAL ABOUT THE DOOR AND THEN ONE ON THE FAR END OF THE, OF THE PORCH AND I COULD SUPPORT THE FIBERGLASS WITH, UH, DORIC CAPITALS. DO WE NEED NEW MOTION? WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN WE DO A MOTION BECAUSE THE PLACEMENT OF THE COLUMN IS NOT PART OF THE, I MEAN, WHILE STAFF FIGURES OUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION ANYWAY, SO CERTAINLY IT, IT IT'S NOT, BUT JUST, JUST VI VISUALLY THAT THE I, THE THE IONIC COLUMN CAPITAL JUST IN THE, IN THAT, IN, IN THE WAY THAT IT'S A VERY DEMANDING CAPITAL. THE, THE DORK COLUMN IS A LITTLE LESS VISUALLY DEMANDING. SO WHEN YOU THROW THE SYMMETRY OFF WITH THE IONIC CAPITAL, IT'S GONNA LOOK WEIRD. I, I WOULD THINK, BUT THEN IF THERE'S A, IF, IF THIS IS COMMON, WELL THEN I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LEARNING SOMETHING NEW. THAT'S ALL. WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH, WITH THE DORK RECOMMENDATION. MR. I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OR HAVE A, UH, HANNAH YOU'LL HAVE TO DRAG THAT OVER FOR US TO SEE IT. COMMISSIONER GROUP, SORRY, I'M REALIZING THAT IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR. MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, THE DO STALL WITH THE MATERIAL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE. SAVINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. AND FEDOR AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR, UH, RESTORING THIS HOUSE TOO. IT'S, UH, REAL GLORY . THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. AGENDA ITEM 22. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 31. ADDRESS, 3 26 EAST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING TILE ROOF WITH A COMPOSITION SINGLE ROOF STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B N C AND THE APPLICANT. MATT BISHOP IS HERE IN PERSON? YES. IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. MATT BISHOP. THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED, UM, WITH YOUR REQUEST. SURE. I NEED TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON THE BUILDING. AND ALL THE OTHER SIMILAR BUILDINGS ON THOSE TWO STREETS IN MONTE VISTA HAVE WHAT I'VE CALLED REGULAR SHINGLE ROOFS. UH, MONTE VISTA HISTORIC ASSOCIATION HAS APPROVED IT. UM, I'VE INCLUDED AS AN EXHIBIT THAT MY EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH THEM, AND I'M PARAPHRASING WHAT THEY SAID WAS ESSENTIALLY MY ARGUMENT, WHICH WAS, LOOK, GIVEN THE PREVALENCE OF COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOFS IN THAT PART OF MONTE VISTA ON VERY SIMILAR BUILDINGS, UH, THAT THEY HAD NO PROBLEM WITH MY, UH, APPLICATION. SO I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER, FISH? DIDN'T WE DO A SITE VISIT ON THIS ONE? WE DID. IT WOULD'VE BEEN LAST SUMMER, SO I JUST DO NOT RECALL TOO LONG AGO. OH YEAH, YEAH. UM, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A RETURNING CASE, SO IT WAS DENIED MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. SO IT'S IT'S PAST THAT TIME PERIOD AND IT'S RETURNING SO IT WASN'T DENIED, RIGHT? IT WAS APPROVED AS LONG AS THE SHINGLES WERE IN SIMILAR COLOR OF THE CASE? THAT IS CORRECT. THERE WAS, IT IS ACTUALLY THE SAME RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY. [04:15:02] SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I I UNDERSTAND THEN YOU'RE OKAY. IS IT THE COLOR THAT YOU'RE, BECAUSE IF IT WAS APPROVED FOR SHINGLES, YOU JUST GOTTA FIND A SHINGLE THAT MATCHES THE COLOR OF THE TILE. IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? SO IT'S NOT THE COLOR. UM, IT'S THE DIMENSIONALITY. UM, AND SO THERE ARE COMPOSITION PRODUCTS THAT ARE THICKER AND KIND OF MIMIC THAT SHINGLE APPEARANCE. HE IS REQUESTING SORT OF A STANDARD, UM, ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE I THINK, OR LIKE A THREE TAB. YOU'RE JUST REGULAR SHINGLES LIKE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT WANTING TO DO LIKE KIND OF THE DIMENSION, UM, PRODUCT. UH, I BELIEVE BROWNWOOD WAS THE COLOR. IT'S, IT'S ONE OF, IT'S ONE OF THE EXHIBITS. I I THE COLOR'S NOT PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO ME. UH, BROWNWOOD SEEMED TO BE AN APPROPRIATE ONE. IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MAYBE IT A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. RIGHT. UM, BUT WITH A COLOR TO MATCH AND A AND, AND A DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE, WHICH IS OTHER THAN A FLAT THAN THAN A FLAT SURFACE SHINGLE. THE DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE GIVES THE, THE, THE MORE SHADOW LINE APPEARANCE OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THERE HISTORICALLY. RIGHT. JUST A LITTLE MORE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S I BELIEVE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME I WAS HERE. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. THE DIMENSION, WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR IS TO BE ABLE TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON THERE WITH REGULAR COMPOSITION SHINGLES JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, LIKE I SAID, HAS NO PROBLEM WITH AND DOESN'T OPPOSE IT. UM, WHAT THE STAFF TOLD ME LAST TIME AFTER I WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WAS THAT I HAD TO USE EITHER G A F SHINGLES, WHICH WERE DISCONTINUED OR METAL PANELS, UH, WHICH WERE GONNA BE INSANELY EXPENSIVE. SO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS JUST LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THIS STREET THAT I CAN GO USE A COMPOSITION SOFT SHINGLE, WELL, IT'LL LOOK GREAT. I'M NOT PARTICULARLY CONCERNED WHAT COLOR I WANT TO USE. I'LL USE WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT. UM, I HAD JUST PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD USE BROWNWOOD 'CAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE A GOOD FIT. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WHAT MY MOTION WOULD BE IS FOR A DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE IS IT'S STILL AN ASPHALT COMPOSITION SHINGLE. TY THE TY THE TYPICAL LANGUAGE IS A A 20 YEAR OR 30 YEAR OR 40 YEARS. WHAT THE, WHICH YOU'LL, THE LANGUAGE YOU'LL USE IN THE STORE, BUT WHAT IT SPEAKS TO IS THE THICKNESS OF THE SHINGLE. IT'S JUST A COMMON SHINGLE. BUT WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A LITTLE THICKER AND THEY GIVE A A GREATER SENSE OF LIKE, IT WAS A STONE, IT WAS A CLAY TOWEL. SO, SO YOU SEE THAT SHADOW, BUT IT'S STILL A COMMON ASPHALT COMPOSITION SHINGLE. I COULD SAY A COMMON ASPHALT COM DIMENSIONAL ASPHALT COMPOSITION SHINGLE. IT'S STILL THE ONE YOU BUY IN THE PACK AND THEY DELIVER. SO, SO JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CLARITY, I BELIEVE HE'S REQUESTING WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS IS LIKE A 30 YEAR ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLE, RIGHT? WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THIS. SO WE'RE USING SIMILAR TERMS THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IF THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS TYPE OF SHINGLE, THEN THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE RIDGE DETAILING? CAN THAT BE ACHIEVED WITH THAT SHINGLE? YEAH, THERE'S A HOUSE IN HIGHLAND PARK THAT DID A SIMILAR THING, REMOVED THEIR, UM, CERAMIC OR THEIR, UM, TILE AND THEY MAINTAINED THEIR CLAY TILE RIDGE PIECE. THAT'S PROBABLY JUST GONNA BE MY BIGGEST CONCERN, UM, IS KEEPING THAT, WE DID HAVE THAT AS A STIPULATION LAST TIME, BUT IF YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT WITH THAT ROOF, THEN I'M GOOD. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING THAT EXISTING RIDGE LINE. WELL, COMMISSIONER GROUP, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE, THAT I'M, I'M MENTIONING LIKE COREY JUST SAID 30 YEAR, RIGHT. BUT YOU GO TO THE 40 AND I, I THINK NOWADAYS THEY CALL THE 30 OR 40 OR 40 OR 30, BUT IT'S A REALLY THICK ROOF. AND THEN IT DEPENDS ON WHEN YOU HAVE THE TOP ASPHALT PIECE, THEY CAN, THEY CAN CUSTOM CUT THAT SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S AN INTENTIONAL CAP, BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME MATERIAL. 'CAUSE THE MATERIALS, IT, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL WORKS WITH ITSELF AS A, AS A, AS A COMPONENT SYSTEM. BUT IT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S JUST THAT A 20 YEAR, LIKE IF WE SAID ANY ASPHALT YOU COULD USE A 20 YEAR, IT'S A REAL THIN IT IN SOME, IN, IN A RANCH HOUSE THAT MIGHT LOOK COOL. BUT, BUT BECAUSE THESE HOUSES, THEY WANT, YOU WANNA SEE A LITTLE SHADOW UP THERE, IT COSTS A LITTLE MORE, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE A A [04:20:01] VINYL WINDOW TO A WOOD WINDOW. IT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, A, A, A, WELL IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE PROPOSING AN OWENS CORNING DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE? YES, SIR. WITH THE PRODUCT INFORMATION THAT YOU SUBMITTED? IT, IT'S, IT'S EXHIBIT D TO MY APPLICATION. OKAY. IT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW. SO THEN THE MOTION WOULD BE, I, I COULD, COULD IT THE MOTION BE AS REQUESTED OR AS PRESENTED BY APPLICANT. OKAY. SO THEN THE MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH MATERIAL AS PRESENTED IN, IN, IN THE OWENS CORNING, UH, DIMENSIONAL, UH, AS PRESENTED BY APPLICANT. CAN WE JUST ADD WITH JUST KEEPING THE RIDGE LINE, UH, UH, WITH, WITH, WITH A RIDGE LINE, ADDITIONAL RIDGE LINE WITH THE RIDGE LINE DETAIL OF SAME MATERIAL, UH, UH AND JUST HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT, MR. BISHOP? THERE'S A PHOTO OF 3 23 EAST ROSEWOOD AND I SAW THAT THEY HAVE THAT KIND OF RECREATION OF THAT RIDGE LINE, SO IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE BASED ON THE OTHER PICTURES YOU SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND THAT IF THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD BY STAFF. WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY RECREATION OF THE RIDGE LINE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH ASPHALT SHINGLES? NOT WITH TILE SHINGLES. WITH ASPHALT SHINGLES, YEAH. MAY MAYBE, MAYBE WE SAID WITH, WITH, UM, UM, UM, IN, IN A, WITH A RIDGE LINE, UM, JUST MAINTAINING THE EXISTING RIDGE DETAILING. OKAY. RETAINING ORIGINAL DE DETAILING UNDER STAFF'S, UH, SUPERVISION. BUT WE DID THAT AS A STIPULATION LAST TIME. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WITH THE SAME MATERIAL THROUGHOUT, THAT'S IT. WELL, WAS THAT A CLEAR WELL, BUT WHY IS THAT A STIPULATION WHEN THAT'S STANDARD INSTALLATION? SURE. SO, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I, I THINK WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE GETTING AT IS THAT IF YOU NOTICE ON THE TILE THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A BIT OF A HUMP WHEN YOUR ROOFER PUTS IT ON THERE, HE'S GOTTA SIMULATE THAT TOP, MAYBE DOUBLE STACK IT, MAYBE PUT A SLIGHTLY LITTLE THICKER RIDGE OF IT, SAME MATERIAL. HE'S JUST ARRA ARRANGING IT IN A WAY THAT PRESENTS THAT LITTLE CAP THAT'S, THAT'S ON THERE NOW. WELL, AND THIS HOUSE IS A LITTLE BIT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT'S GOT LITTLE, LITTLE FRONT ROOF, THE LITTLE ROOF OVER THE FRONT AND THEN IT'S ALSO GOT IT ON, ON EACH, ON THE SIDES, NOT ONLY ON THE TOP. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S WHY. DO Y'ALL HAVE A CLEAR ENOUGH MOTION? YES, THAT'S THE MOTION. CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT IT? WE HAD PEOPLE CHIME IN AFTER THE MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH MATERIAL AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH, UH, THE STIPULATION THAT THE RIDGE LINES ARE INTENTIONALLY ARTICULATED SO AS TO MIMIC THE CLOSEST, UH, ASSEMBLAGE ALIGNMENT OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL, WHICH I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDED INSTALLATION IS GONNA BE THAT ANYWAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. FISH. AYE. SINA AYE GROUP. AYE. I MEAN, VELASQUEZ AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FED. AYE. MOTION PASSES. AND, AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIR. JUST FOR OUR OWN, UH, INFORMATION, I THINK THAT THAT'S A ICCI TILE AND THE, THE CRAZIEST THING IS THAT EVEN ICCI DOESN'T MAKE THAT TILE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT CUSTOM MADE. THEY'LL MAKE IT FOR YOU, BUT IT'S A PREMIUM. BUT THE PRODUCT WILL ASK 90, A HUNDRED, 200 YEARS. WELL, I, I, I'M, I'M, I I WISH THAT WE COULD, WE COULD ADD SOMETHING TO THAT, TO THAT UH, THAT MOTION THAT WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT, ASK THE APPLICANT TO, TO, TO SUR UM, SURPLUS THAT MATERIAL. BECAUSE I MEAN, I KNOW OF ROOFS THAT NEED REPLACEMENTS WITH THAT TILE, YOU ABLE TO RESELL SOME OF THAT SALVAGE, SALVAGE, SALVAGE THAT, THAT ROOF MATERIAL. DON'T LET SOMEBODY RIP THAT OFF AND THROW IT AWAY, STACK IT SOMEWHERE AND SEND IT TO A SURPLUS YARD. OR AT LEAST WHERE YOU CAN GET A LITTLE, Y'ALL CAN HAVE IT IF WE SEND IT TO ME, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. I'LL JUST HAVE TO HAVE GILBERT MY, MY ROOFER HANDLE IT. I MEAN I, YEAH, ACTUALLY, UH, O H P STAFF HAS A, IF YOU TELL YOUR ROOFER THAT HE CAN HAVE IT, HE'LL TAKE IT, TAKE IT OFF, I GUARANTEE YOU. BUT IF YOUR ROOFER TOOK IT OFF AND THERE WERE SALVAGEABLE PIECES, O H P MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN COLLECTING IT FOR THEIR REHAB OR PROGRAMS. OKAY, I'LL, I'LL VISIT WITH GILBERT ABOUT IT. LET HIM KNOW THAT YOU'D LIKE OKAY. RATHER, 'CAUSE HE MAY BE ABLE TO PULL OFF [04:25:01] QUITE A BIT OF THAT MATERIAL, ESPECIALLY THE, THE RIDGE CAPS THAT MIGHT BE, UH, REUSABLE AND ANOTHER INSTALLATION. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED SIR, LET THE GENTLEMAN GO. HE WAITED ONE YEAR, FOUR HOURS AND 30 MINUTES TO GET THIS APPROVED. . OKAY, AGENDA ITEM 23. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C. CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH TWO 16 ADDRESS, EIGHT 13 HAY STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE WITH THE METAL RAIN CATTLE PANEL FENCE AND DRIVEWAY GATE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE FENCE BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS A FOLLOWING ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A FENCE THAT FEATURES NO MORE THAN FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RELOCATE THE DRIVEWAY GATE TO BE BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE AS NOTED IN FINDING D AND THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED FENCE FEATURE MATERIAL THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT WITH POSTS WITH HAWI FENCING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE APPLICANT, I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS ELIA FLORE. JAIME. JAIME IS HERE IN PERSON. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD SAY GOOD EVENING OR GOOD AFTERNOON. SO I'M NOT VERY ILLITERATE, BUT I'M NOT TECH SAVVY EITHER. AND I HAVE THE PICTURES HERE TO TRY TO PROVE TO YOU MY STATEMENT. SO MY STATEMENT IS SHORT, BUT I'M GONNA READ TO YOU WHAT I COMPOSE 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I COULD, I CAN GET Y'ALL TO FIGURE OUT. IF YOU'RE STANDING IN MY SHOES, I'LL, UH, SHOW. SURE, SURE. THERE YOU GO. AND MAY I FIRST START WITH A THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO STAND HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. MY NAME IS HEIM AND MY HUSBAND IS A DISABLED VIETNAM VETERAN. THIS HOME HAS BEEN IN MY FAMILY SINCE THE 1950S. MY HUSBAND'S AUNT CAROLINA COY HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH HER NEIGHBORS AT EIGHT 17 HAYES BECAUSE THEIR MUSIC, THEIR PARTIES WENT WELL PASSED INTO THE MIDNIGHT. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT THEY USED THE FRONT YARD AS A PARKING LOT, AS SHE GOT LATER IN YEARS, MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO US AT THAT TIME. CHILDREN'S MEMORIAL BEFORE IT BURST INTO FLAMES WAS AT THE CORNER OF NORTH PINE AND HAYES. THEY FED THE HOMELESS EVERY SUNDAY. WE WOULD GET A LOT OF KNOCKS ON OUR DOORS, ASKING FOR MONEY TO USE THE PHONE, ASKING FOR WATER, ET CETERA. PEOPLE COMING TO THE DRIVEWAY ASKING FOR BUS CHANGE. WE WERE ONLY ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM THE CORNER. AND THE BUS STOP, PEOPLE WOULD BE IN OUR DRIVEWAY WAITING FOR THE BUS BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE HAD A PECAN TREE AND IT WAS SHADED. EITHER THAT OR THEY WERE PICKING UP PECANS AND THEY WOULD NOT GIVE US THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND AT THAT TIME WHEN WE MOVED IN, THERE WERE A LOT OF DRUGS AROUND US AND THE APARTMENTS ACROSS THE STREET. 8 12, 8 14 AND EIGHT 16. HAYES WAS A BIG DRUG DISTRIBUTION LOCATION. THE HOUSE BETWEEN EIGHT 17 AND 8 25. HAYES WAS A METHAMPHETAMINE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NO LONGER THERE. WE DECIDED THE BEST THING TO DO WAS TO PUT A UP A FENCE WITH A SLIDING DRIVEWAY GATE WHEN IT RAINS. YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO GET OFF THE CAR, UNLOCK THE CAR, LOCK THE GATE, AND WHEN YOU'RE STANDING THERE, BECAUSE WE ARE DOWNHILL, THE WATER IS ANKLE HIGH AND I'VE LOST A LOT OF SHOES OPENING THAT GATE OR SWEEPING THE WATER OFF THE WALKWAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE CITY MADE US. AND UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CLOSE CALLS WHEN I'M TRYING TO, COMING IN FROM NORTH PINE AND MAKING A LEFT INTO MY DRIVEWAY, EVEN THE VIA BUS AND EVERYBODY THERE, THE BICYCLISTS, EVERYBODY. IF I HAVE MY BLINKER, THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF CLOSE CALLS TRYING TO PASS ME UP ON THE LEFT SIDE. IT'S SOMETIMES MOST DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ENTER THAT DRIVEWAY. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING INTO THEIR AREA, THEY HAVE DOGS, THEY HAVE STROLLERS, THEY PASS ME UP BETWEEN ME, MY CAR RUNNING MY GATE RIGHT THERE. AND THEY, EVERYBODY FEELS THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BETWEEN ME AND THE KIDS NEXT DOOR AS WELL. FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO COME RUNNING TO ME TO TELL ME HI OR WHATEVER. AND THEIR PARENTS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, MY NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR TO ME, THEY HAD BOTH OF THEIR WINDOWS BROKEN BY, UM, BRICKS. UH, SOMETIME LAST YEAR, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET HAD THE SAME THING DONE TO HER BACK WINDOW. OFTEN, VERY OFTEN WE HEAR GUNSHOTS AT NIGHT AND THEY'RE JUST NOT ONE OR TWO. THERE ARE MANY AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT I HAVE NOT NOTHING WRONG BY JUST REPLACING THE FRONT FENCE AND PUTTING A MOTORIZED GATE. I THINK IT'S DONE WITH IN . THE ONLY REASON I PUT UP THE FENCE IS TO FEEL SECURE AND SAFE. MY HUSBAND AND I WERE MARRIED 47 YEARS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY [04:30:01] HE DIED FOUR MONTHS AGO. AND ALL I WANNA DO IS BE SAFE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ME, I AM DOING ANY HARM TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT LIVES IN THAT AREA. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY WANT DIGNITY HILLS, HILLS TO BE LIKE KING WILLIAM. AND MAYBE IT WILL BE ONE DAY, BUT NOT IN MY LIFETIME. THERE IS A DIVERSE ECONOMIC POPULATION. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE LIVING IN THE AREA THAT WERE NOT EVEN BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. THE FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE POPULATION VARIES LARGELY THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE FROM OTHER PLACES TO DIG HILLS. THE FINANCIAL BACKGROUND OF THE RESIDENCE IS NOT THE SAME. AND LOT LIKE SOME PEOPLE. I WAS BORN AT HOME VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE NOW. THERE ARE FENCES IN THE AREA, THEY'RE A LOT HIGHER THAN MINE AND HOMES THAT ARE IN WORSE CONDITIONS THAN MINE. BUT AS I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU, MY HUSBAND AND I THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS FROM CITIZENS. YES, I'LL PLAY THOSE NOW. 8 29. 8 29 HAYES STREET. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMBER ONE SIX. AND THE ADDRESS OF THAT CASE NUMBER IS HAYES STREET IN SEVEN. WE'RE JUST CALLING ON BEHALF OUR NEIGHBOR ALSO. SHE'S A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR. WE LIVE ON THE SAME LOT OF TWO HOUSES DOWN AND WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH HER CHOICE AND HEIGHT. SHE WAS RECENTLY WIDOWED AND TO BE FOCUSING ON HER HOME. AND SO OF COURSE, UNDERSTAND, UH, WE SUPPORT AND ARE HAPPY, UH, TO HELP ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS OFFICER AUGH 29 EIGHTH STREET AND PHONE NUMBER IS NINE THREE FOUR NINE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MAR GARCIA, MY HUSBAND JUAN AND I LIVE AT 9 32 NORTH PINE STREET. AND I'M CALLING NUMBER, I ARE COURT AFTER PRESENTED. NOW THERE ALONE, UH, FROM THERE ARE NUMEROUS THAT ARE THE GUIDELINES IN, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND CLOSE HOUSES AS WELL, INCLUDING THE ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO HER THAT, UM, I BELIEVE WE TOLD MY HUSBAND, I BELIEF THAT EVERYBODY HAS RIGHT FEEL SAFE IN THEIR HOME. AND UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BE, WOULD MOST LIKE TO BE, UH, MY NAME IS, I'M CALLING REGARD CASE NUMBER TWO, PROPERTY, OWN WEATHER AND OTHER CASE WORKER ON THIS ISIA FROM THANK YOU [04:35:14] AND I MY REGARDING LIA F HYMAN AT EIGHT 13 A STREET REGARDING THE A FENCE AND THE GATE ISSUE. WE'RE CALLING ON BEHALF OF OF CHACHA. SHE'S A FRIEND OF OURS. UH, SHE LOST HER HUSBAND A COUPLE OF MONTHS, A FEW MONTHS AGO. HE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE, AN ARMY VETERAN AND ARMY COMRADE. MS. JAIME IS THE SENIOR CITIZEN WHO LIVES BY HERSELF, IS TRYING TO, OH, SHE CAN'T SECURE HER HOUSE. MAKE IT BETTER SAFER TO INCLUDE INSTALLING A BETTER FENCE ON A BETTER GATE FOR HER SAFETY. NOT TO MENTION THAT THE FENCE IS A LOT, A LOT BETTER AND NICER THAN WHAT SHE HAD BEFORE. INSTALLING A FENCE, AN ELECTRIC GATE WOULD BE SAFER, ESPECIALLY DURING EARLY AND LATE HOURS. THIS WOULD PREVENT HER FROM GETTING OFF AND ON TO OPEN A GATE AND PERHAPS, UM, PREVENT FROM POSSIBLE ASSAULT. SO THIS WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE HOUSE AND AREA WOULD LOOK A LOT NICER. THANK YOU. IT IS JOHN VINNO 6 0 0 9 TRON TRAIL AND WE ALSO HAVE GLORIA GARCIA HERE. MS. GARCIA, YOU CAN COME SPEAK FOR TWO MINUTES. MY NAME IS GLORIA GARCIA AND I AM CHACHA'S SISTER ELIA. WE CALL HER CHACHA 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS CALL HER. UH, I COME BECAUSE AS EVERYBODY HAS STATED, SHE NEEDS TO BE SAFE. SHE'S 20 FEET FROM A BUS STOP. I HAVE BEEN THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING, LATE AT NIGHT, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MAYBE IN THE WEEK TO COME VISIT HER. THERE'S HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ON THE BUS STOP. I DON'T WANT HER TO BE UNSAFE. I WANT HER TO BE SAFE. AND THIS GATE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HAVE TRAVELED ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOUND GATES THAT ARE HIGHER THAN HERS. I HAVE FOUND GATES THAT ARE DILAPIDATED AND THEN THEY PICK ON HER TO SAY THAT SHE NEEDS TO REMOVE HER GATE. I JUST WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S SAFE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. YES MA'AM. THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE. AND MS. ODELIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, SAYING, I MEAN, TELLING US YOUR STORY. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A NO-BRAINER. UM, I WOULD ACCEPT AS APPLIED FOR BY THE APPLICANT. I MEAN, THERE'S CLEARLY A SECURITY ISSUE IN IT. WE HAVE HEARD IT BEFORE IN NUITY NEIGHBORHOOD AND UNFORTUNATELY YES, THERE'S SOME, STILL SOME AREAS IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT. THERE IS ANOTHER FENCE NEXT DOOR AS WELL THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN HERS. BUT, UM, THIS IS WHY WE'RE CASE BY CASE. AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST A MOTION TO MOVE AS A, AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIR. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE IMPORTANT. YOU BROUGHT INFORMATION TO US ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY THAT CHANGES PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT AREN'T FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOURSELF THAT WAS BORN DOWN THE STREET. THAT'S RIGHT. AND, AND YOU, YOU, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, IT, IT ENCOURAGES US TO LOOK AT, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AS THE ECONOMICS CHANGE IN NEIGHBORHOODS. RIGHT, RIGHT. AS HOMELESSNESS IS DRIVEN UP. RIGHT. AND AS PEOPLE WITH MORE MONEY COME IN. RIGHT. AND WE'RE KIND OF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO I THINK YOU GIVE US THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY, OR AT LEAST MYSELF, TO REMIND OUR, OUR, OUR COMMISSION HERE, THAT IN, IN MANY CASES, NOT JUST HER CASE, WE ARE ASKED BY THE CITY AND EVEN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THIS ERA TO LOOK AT OUR DECISION MAKING PROCESSES THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS. HOWEVER YOU WANT, DEFINE THAT. BUT I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. AND YOU HAVE GREAT S . YES. THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH? AYE. SAVINA [04:40:01] AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. AND PET FISH, . MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. OH, NO, NO PROBLEM. ADJOURN THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. SECOND, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.