* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. [00:00:01] THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK Y'ALL FOR JOINING US. UH, THIS IS A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE OF THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD TODAY AS APRIL 21ST. AND WE ARE AT ABOUT ONE 15. WE'LL START OFF WITH A ROLL CALL. WILLIAM BURRIS. KAREN CARPENTER HERE. LOUIS RACKLESS. PRESENT. ROBERT HENLEY. HERE. BRIAN SMITH. JOE LAOS. HERE. MIKE RUST. HERE. MARK ROSS AND JACK MOORE. ALRIGHT, WE DO HAVE QUORUM. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THE SPANISH INTERPRETERS VIDEO. OKAY. UH, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS. I WILL DOUBLE CHECK ONE MORE TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE WHILE WE'RE GOING OVER ITEM NUMBER 19 FOR THE I R C ONE BIG ITEMS MEETING HERE TODAY. TODAY IS WE DID GET A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE OF WHAT WE HAD ON THE SCHEDULE FOR MANY MONTHS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC. WE ACTUALLY FINISHED THE I R C, UH, BULK OF THE I R C REVIEW PRIOR TO EVEN WHEN IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR THREE WEEKS. SO WE WANTED TO, THIS MEETING IS MOSTLY WE WANTED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME MEET WITH THIS COMMITTEE. UH, WE PUSHED THAT OUT THERE AS MUCH AS WE COULD. WE MET WITH, UH, THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, LET 'EM KNOW ABOUT THIS MEETING. UH, STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING. I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ONE MORE TIME ON THE EMAIL, UH, JUST FOR SAY WE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. UH, BUT THEN AFTER THAT, WE HOPEFULLY WE'LL PUT THE I R C. UM, IF WE DO HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WHILE WE'RE MEETING ABOUT THE I F C, OF COURSE, I'LL STILL BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE. UH, SO AT THIS POINT, NO OPEN COM, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, I'LL UH, HAND IT OVER TO THE CHAIR. THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. YEAH, EVERYONE SHOULD RECEIVE THE MINUTES. IS THERE ANY, UH, ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, ROBERT HANLEY MOVE APPROVAL UNLESS THERE'S ANY AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND. THANKS KAREN. ANY COMMENTS OR CORRECTIONS ON THE MINUTES? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS MINUTES ARE APPROVED? PERFECT. THANK YOU CHAIR. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. THIS IS TYPICAL WE HAVE ON HERE IN CASE WE EVER DO NEED TO ADD ANY MEETING, UH, ANY NEW MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE TO HELP WITH QUORUM OR, UH, IN CASE SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STEP OUT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE TODAY, SO I THINK WE CAN, UM, NO ACTION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. ALRIGHT. UH, SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION, CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS. FOR THE FULL BOARD'S CONSIDERATION. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, AND I'LL ALSO CHECK THE EMAIL AT THAT TIME. OKAY. THE ONE ITEM THAT WE STILL HAD PENDING WAS, UH, ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE ADDITIONAL SMOKE ALARM. UM, SO THAT WAS A NEW SECTION OR A NEW REQUIREMENT ADDED TO THE I R C. UH, WE WERE ASKED TO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON THAT AND CONFIRM WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT THAT WOULD NOT CONFLICT WITH ANY, UM, EXISTING, UH, STATE REQUIREMENTS. AND WE DID CONFIRM THAT, UM, MARK DID BRING UP THAT REQUEST, UH, FORWARD THAT TO MARK SPECIFICALLY. UM, NO ISSUES. MARK, IF YOU WANNA CONFIRM, UM, THAT IT'S IN CONFLICT, IT'S FINE. SO IF YOU GUYS, UM, WANT TO APPROVE, APPROVE, UH, UH, AN ADOPTION AS WRITTEN, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE IN OUR RECORDS. ROBERT HENLEY MOVE THE, UH, ADOPTION OF THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO ITEM NUMBER 19. THANK YOU, SIR. A SECOND. SECOND. THANKS KAREN. UH, ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THAT? YEAH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. CAN WE MANDATE THAT IT GO ON THE WALL INSTEAD OF THE CEILING? I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS ALREADY A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO PUT IT ON THE WALL VERSUS THE CEILING. NO, I KNOW IT, IT'S ALLOWED, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT THE POOR HOMEOWNER WHO HAS A 20 FOOT CEILING, MOST PEOPLE HAVE AN EXTENSION LADDER THAT CAN PUT IT UP AGAINST THE WALL, BUT THEY'LL PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CEILING AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CALL SOMEBODY OUT TO GO BRING A BIG A-FRAME [00:05:01] LADDER OR SCAFFOLDS OR TO GET UP THERE. AND, AND JUST THINKING FROM A PRACTICAL, UH, IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, BUT I, I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. THEY'LL PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CEILING BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO GET THE ELECTRICITY FROM THE LIGHT FIXTURE WHERE THERE'S NO OTHER POWER SOURCE AROUND. YEAH. IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, BUT I JUST, FOR THE POOR HOMEOWNER, IT'S GONNA BE A $500 REPLACEMENT BATTERY IN 10 YEARS. YEAH. BUT IT REQUIRES BATTERY BACKUP ON ALL THE NEW SMOKE DETECTORS PUT IN. SO THE LITHIUM BATTERY'S GOOD FOR 10 YEARS AND THE SMOKE DETECTOR'S GOOD FOR 10 YEARS. AND, BUT IF NOBODY ELSE HAS A PROBLEM, I'LL BE QUIET. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. SO, UM, JUST TO, I WASN'T HERE ON THE FIRST MEETING, SO DID EVERYTHING ELSE ALREADY GET APPROVED? THERE WAS ALREADY A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE CHANGES AND WE'RE JUST VOTING ON 19, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, PLEASE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. IT'S APPROVED. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SECTION, UH, TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN ON THAT SECTION. HOLD ON. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THIS WILL BE DISCUSSION OF CHAPTER 10, SECTION 10 DASH 15, THE REGI, UH, REGISTRATION OF RESIDE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR REGISTRATIONS AND OTHER AREAS OF THE REGISTRATION OR RESIDENTIAL BUILDING HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS, AND, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES TO THESE SECTIONS. SO REALLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO THERE IS SPECIFICALLY THIS FALLS UNDER SECTION 10 DASH ONE 15, BUT THE, IT KIND OF HITS A COUPLE OTHER AREAS. I DIDN'T WANNA FILL UP AN ENTIRE PAGE FULL OF SECTIONS. SO REALLY IT'S, IF WE MAKE ANY CHANGES OR HAVE ANY, UH, REQUESTS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION, THEN WE CAN DO THAT. UM, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF REGISTRATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO HOMEOWNERS, OR, I'M SORRY, HOME BUILDERS. SO THERE IS THE HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION, UH, THAT IF YOU MIGHT GO BACK TO THE, UH, PRESENTATION, I THINK I HAD THAT ON THE, AS A DEFINITION. I'M SORRY, I KNOW YOU, UH, THIS, SO THIS IS, THEN I'LL GIVE YOU ALL A SECOND TO READ IT. UM, AND I MIGHT READ IT JUST SO IT'S IN THE RECORD. SO, RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONTRACTOR IS A PERSON THAT OUR COMPANY ASSOCIATION, AGENCY OR OTHER ENTITY REGISTERED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL TO ENGAGE IN THE BUSINESS OF CONSTRUCTION, STRUCTURALLY ALTERING OR ENLARGING ANY ONE, TWO FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING OR TOWN HOMES, INCLUDING DETECT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IN EXCESS OF 400, UH, SQUARE FEET IN THEIR AREA THERE TO AS REGULATED BY IN INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE. SO WHAT WE LOOK AT THAT IS ANYBODY THAT'S BUILDING A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE, OF COURSE, UM, OR MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REGISTRATIONS THAT SOMEBODY COULD APPLY FOR. UM, ONE THING WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE IS IT, IT'S EXCESS OF 400. WE KIND OF WANT TO CONSIDER, WE WANT TO LOOK AT MAKING THAT 300. SO IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHEN IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A PERMIT. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHEN THIS 400 GOT ADDED, BUT REALLY IT'S JUST KIND OF, AS LONG AS IT'S UNDER 300, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN REALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE A PERMIT. UH, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED TO DO THAT WORK. BUT ANYTHING OVER 300 IS WHEN YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. WHERE IS IT ALSO MADE WORSE? THE PRECEDENT? UH, THAT IS UNDER PERMITTING. UH, I THINK WE CAN, IF YOU'LL GIVE US A SECOND, WE'LL LOOK THAT ONE UP AND, UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S FULL PERMIT. THAT'S UNDER WORK EXEMPT WORK EXEMPT FROM A PERMIT. BUT I JUST WANNA VER I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS ONE STORY DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES USED AS TOOL AND STORAGE SHEDS. SO A DWELLING UNIT, LESS THAN 300 SQUARE FEET WOULD STILL HAVE TO GET A, UH, PERMIT DWELLING UNIT. SO IF YOU'RE ADDING, IF YOU'RE ADDING A CLOSET TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. YES. CORRECT. IT'S OVER 300 SQUARE FEET. NO, NO, NO, NO. IF, REGARDLESS, SO A CLOSET IS A LIVABLE. THIS SAYS ONE STORY DETACHED ACCESS, DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES USED AS TOOL AND STORAGE SHEDS, PLAYHOUSE, AND SIMILAR USES. SO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE THE SHED IN YOUR BACKYARD. YOU MIND PULLING THAT ONE UP? I'M SORRY, KRISTA, WHERE ARE YOU READING FROM? [00:10:01] THE CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS? UH, WORK EXEMPT FROM A PERMIT. I'LL GET THERE. SO THESE ARE TYPICALLY UNCONDITIONED MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE LIGHTING. UH, SIMILAR USES WOULD STILL FALL UNDER THAT TOOL STORAGE SHED USE. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WAS UP ON THE SCREEN A MINUTE AGO, UM, DOESN'T QUALIFY UNDER THIS. A COR WELL, YEAH, THE SLIDE. SO CORRECT. SO IF, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GO PULL OR GO TO BUILD A SHED THAT'S 350, THEY KINDA GET LOOPED INTO A, A GRAY AREA WHERE THEY HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT THE HOMEOWNER, YOU CAN'T PULL A PERMIT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT REGISTERED, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED. SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IT WHERE REALLY, ANYTIME YOU'RE OVER 300 AND YOU'RE AT THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU NEED TO BE REGISTERED TO PULL A PERMIT. SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CLASSIFY YOU AS A HOME BUILDER FOR THAT. UM, CHAIRMAN, ARE WE GONNA CONSIDER ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 10 AS A BODY, OR ARE WE GONNA TAKE 'EM INDIVIDUALLY LIKE THIS ONE? HOW MANY CHANGES ARE WE GONNA BE REVIEWING? SO THE, THE INTENT, I MEAN, WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING IT BACK, UM, UH, EVEN DURING THE I F C I CAN BRING IT BACK AROUND. UH, BUT THE, THE REAL INTENT, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED THIS A LITTLE BIT. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO UNDER CHAPTER 10, WHICH, UH, NOT ONLY DOES IT HAVE ALL OF THE CODES THAT WERE ADOPTED WITH THE AMENDMENTS, IT HAS, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SECTION OF IT IS KIND OF THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. TYPICAL CHAPTER ONE OF MANY OF THE CODES. UH, SECOND SECTION IS THE, UH, DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO OUR AMENDMENTS AND OUR CHAPTER 10. BUT LATER ON, AFTER ALL THE CODE ADOPTION IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE REGISTRATION OF ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, CONTRACTORS THAT DO WORK IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL, UH, CONTRACTORS BUILDING, I'M SORRY, UH, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING. UH, WE, THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, THE NEXTGEN ITEM IS FOR DEMOLITION AND FOR HOME MOVERS. UH, SO ALL OF THOSE ARE REGISTERED, UH, SIGN ELECTRICIANS OR ANOTHER ONE. SO ALL THOSE ARE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT RULES FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE JUST BECAUSE MEPS ARE TYPICALLY ALSO LICENSED BY THE STATE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENCE ON WHAT'S REQUIRED. THE STATE KINDA HANDLES MOST OF THOSE. WE JUST WANT THEM TO COME AND REGISTER WITH US. THERE'S NO FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THEY JUST KIND OF, HEY, I'M REGISTERED, HERE'S PROOF OF MY LICENSE. AND THEY CAN PULL PERMITS WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HOME. UM, HOME REGISTRATION'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN THAT SENSE. THERE IS NO STATE OVERSIGHT FOR THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE THE CITY HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE REQUIREMENTS, UH, TO LOOK INTO THAT. AND WHERE WE REGISTER THEM, IT'S NOT A LICENSE, IT'S SOMETHING WE USED TO DO. IT'S A LICENSING. UH, BUT THIS IS A REGISTRATION WITH US WHERE THEY PROVIDE US WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, PROOF OF INSURANCE, UH, SO THAT THEY HAVE ANY WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, A BACKGROUND CHECK AND A REGISTRATION. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE KIND OF GOING OVER, LIKE WITH THE MECHANICAL COMMITTEE, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME MINOR CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE. UM, THIS COMMITTEE'S SEEN A LOT OF WHAT'S COME THROUGH FROM OUR ENFORCEMENT TEAM THAT WE ADDED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, UH, THROUGH THAT REGISTRATION PROCESS WHERE WE'RE REVOKING AND SUSPENDING REGISTRATIONS BASED OFF OF NOT PULLING PERMITS, NOT COMPLETING INSPECTIONS. AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF CHAPTER 10 IS THAT'S KIND OF REPEATED UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS. SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF BRING ALL THAT INTO ITS OWN SECTION SO THAT WE SAY ANYBODY THAT'S REGISTERED WITH THE CITY NEEDS TO FOLLOW THESE RULES AND CAN BE SUSPENDED OR REVOKED PER THIS OTHER SECTION. SO WE ONLY SAY IT ONCE INSTEAD OF, AND ALSO WE MAKE IT CONSISTENT. GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE SAW THAT PLUMBING HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WORDING THAN MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL. SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE. SO IT'S A LOT OF CLERICAL. UH, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE WANNA DO IS ALL THESE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS WE'RE GONNA BRING TO THE FULL BOARD AND VERY WELL OUTLINE ALL THAT TO THE FULL BOARD AND GET THEIR APPROVAL. 'CAUSE IT IS IMPACTING NOT JUST THE BUILDING CONTRACTORS, UH, BUT THE M E P AS WELL. UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I'M REALLY GONNA BE HIGHLIGHTING TODAY ARE THINGS THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL BUILDER, UH, COMMUNITY. I MEAN I, MIKE, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO CHANGE IT TO 300 BECAUSE THE, THE 300 APPLIES ONLY TO ACCESS DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE CONSISTENT. SO IF YOU HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT, YOU SHOULD BE REGISTERED. CORRECT. THAT'S THE GOAL FOR THE, FOR THE CHANGE. OKAY. [00:15:01] SO I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT JUST TO ANSWER ROBERT, YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'LL DO 'EM ONE AT A TIME. THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. OKAY. UM, SO CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME, I'M READING SECTION 10 DASH ONE 15 ON MUNI CODE, YOU KNOW, AS THE, I GUESS WHICH IS THE CURRENT PUBLISHED ONE. I'M NOT SEEING THIS 400 NUMBER. UM, WHAT SECTION? SO THIS IS ACTUALLY UNDER, UH, SECTION TWO UNDER THE DEFINITION OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONTRACTOR. AND COULD, BECAUSE ITEM A THREE DOES SPECIFICALLY SAY 300 SQUARE FEET ALREADY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF CORRECTING. CORRECT. THE YEAH, I GET THE DEFINITION TO KIND OF FALL IN WITH OKAY. A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CLERICAL, BUT DEFINITELY WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE. AND THEN JEREMY, CAN I ASK ANOTHER, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE AGAIN? SO THERE IS SOMETHING NEW THAT'S ON THE HORIZON THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE PROLIFERATE MORE AND MORE. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOME RENTAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE RUN LIKE THEIR APARTMENTS. SO IF THE PERSON OWNS IT OR IT'S THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEY'RE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO DO ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS, WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN AND REGISTER IF THEY'RE DOING THE WORK A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF CONSTRUCTION. THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF OPERATING AND DEVELOPING PROPERTIES. SO WOULD THEY FALL UNDER THIS REGISTRATION ALSO? UM, I, I BELIEVE SO, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS WITH THAT. I I GUESS EVEN THOUGH THERE IS THIS MULTIPLE UNDER ONE, WOULD THIS FALL UNDER A COMMERCIAL? I GUESS EVEN THOUGH IT'S LIKE A RESIDENTIAL BILL, BUT IT'S LIKE ON A COMMERCIAL SITE? BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THING IS NO, IT'S ON, IT'S ON A, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE PEOPLE COMING IN AND BUYING A PIECE OF LAND, DEVELOPING THE LOTS, BUILDING 200 HOMES AND IT'S REALLY AN APARTMENT, BUT IT'S NOT, WE WOULD STILL CONSIDER THOSE STRUCTURES SINGLE FAMILY. SO THEY WOULD FALL UNDER THE I R C. SO FIRE THE REGISTRATION. YEAH. 'CAUSE COMMERCIAL CONTRACTORS DON'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED WITH THIS, WITH THIS CITY. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, SO YEAH, I MEAN I, I, AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT WOULD, I WOULD'VE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND, AND SEE, I DON'T THINK I'M READY TO SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UH, BECAUSE UNLESS SHARON WANTS TO STEP IN OR MIKE ON, ON AS FAR AS, 'CAUSE YOU AS A HOME, AS A HOMEOWNER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. UH, BUT WE SOME, WE HAVE SOME REGULATIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A HOMEOWNER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY TO BE A HOMEOWNER AND WORK ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. BUT THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON THAT AS WELL. SO A ONE OR THE FIRST EXCEPTION IS ANY PERSON WHO WILL OWN, OCCUPY OR RENT A DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING FOR A PERIOD OF 12 MONTHS AFTER COMPLETION OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND FINAL INSPECTION FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DW OR ACCESSORY BUILDING THERE TOO. SO THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT YOU DON'T, AND WHICH MAKES SENSE. I MEAN IF I'M LENNAR HOMES AND I'M, I SHOULDN'T USED IT, I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED A NAME. I GUESS IF I'M A PRODUCTION HOME BUILDER IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING SUPERVISORS AREN'T CARRYING AROUND REGISTRATION CARDS, BUT THE TRADES THAT COME IN AND BUILD EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE INSPECTED. SO I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A LOOPHOLE THAT THEY, THAT ANYBODY'S CLIMBING THROUGH. 'CAUSE ALL THOSE STRUCTURES ARE STILL ALL INSPECTED A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE OF THE TIME, RIGHT? NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THEM. THEY'RE GONNA START. SO NOT, NOT, NOT MAINTENANCE OR REPAIR. THIS I AM ASSUMING THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? IT COVERS NEW CONSTRUCTION. ADDING A SOMETHING TO AN EXISTING HOUSE WOULD FALL UNDER THIS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, MM-HMM. . AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE NOT A, A HOMEOWNER, BUT THEY OWN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING 200 HOUSES, LIKE IT'S AN APARTMENT AND THEIR INTENTION IS, IS THEY ARE NOT SELLING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THEY'RE GOING TO RETAIN 'EM. WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO GET THIS LICENSED? YEAH, WE ARE MIKE CONSTANTINO'S, UM, CITY STAFF. SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THAT THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, THERE'S A FEW BUILDERS THAT, THAT ARE PULLING RESIDENTIAL BUILDING PERMITS. WE'RE DOING ALL THE RESIDENTIAL INSPECTIONS, BUT THEN THEY'RE GONNA USE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY, YOU KNOW, TO, TO RENT THESE HOUSES OUT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY'RE STILL FOLLOWING THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. AND ARE THEY REGISTERING AS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONTRACTOR? THEY ARE. OKAY, THEN I'M FINE. I THINK JOE MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION CHAIR THIS ALREADY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO CHANGING THE 400 TO A 300 IN THIS DEFINITION? OKAY. OKAY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE. WE HAVE. OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S REALLY THREE ITEMS THAT I'M KIND OF BRINGING UP RIGHT NOW. THIS, UH, COMMITTEE HAS ANYTHING ELSE AS WELL. SO, [00:20:01] UH, LEAVE IT AT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, I CAN GO THROUGH IT AND REVISIT IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO BEFORE WE ANY VOTE. OKAY. SO, UH, THAT WAS THE DEFINITION OF ONE OF THE TYPES OF REGISTRATION. SO THAT'S THE NEW OR THE, WHAT WE CALL A REGISTERED HOME BUILDER. UH, CAN DO NEW STRUCTURES, ADDITIONS, UH, THINGS SUCH AS THAT. WHAT WE ALSO HAVE IS REGISTERED HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR. AND LOOKING THROUGH THE DEFINITION, WE, WE SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE ADDITION ON THERE, WHICH WE REALLY DO PUSH TO BE MORE OF A HOME BUILDER AND NOT, SO WE WANTED TO REMOVE ADDITION AND KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE THE SAME SO THEY CAN DO A LOT OF STUFF TO A BUILDING. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM IS TOO MUCH STRUCTURAL ITEMS, UM, THAT THE REGISTERED CONTRACTOR OR THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR CAN DO A LOT OF INTERIOR STUFF, UM, EXTERIOR AS WELL, BUT NO, UH, NOT TOO MUCH ON THE WAY OF STRUCTURE AND FEEL FREE. YEAH. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THAT OUT, CORRECT. I I MEAN, THE ONLY ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF IS THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY BACKGROUND CHECK TO GET THE FIRST LICENSE, CORRECT? NO, YOU HAVE TO, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT BETWEEN THE TWO IS A $20 DIFFERENCE IN FEE. BUT THERE IS NO OTHER REQUIRE YOU GET A RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR. CORRECT? YES. YOU HAVE TO DO BOTH. OKAY. BUT PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND, UH, THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT ITEM WE'RE GONNA BRING UP IS, IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE THERE. SO, UH, IF Y'ALL WANNA TABLE THIS ONE UNTIL WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING UP IS, UM, CERTIFICATION OF REGISTERED CONTRACTORS. OKAY. I, I'D LIKE TO FINISH READING THAT. YES SIR. PLEASE. YEAH, FOR FREE. SORRY. SO DO Y'ALL WANT TO DEFER THIS AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE? IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY BEFORE? OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL DEFER THIS ONE AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS THE BIGGER ONE. THIS IS THE ONE I THINK, UH, WE WANNA GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM. UH, DEFINITELY WANNA GET THE COMMITTEE'S VOTE, BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OFF OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS, WE WANT TO GO TO THE INDUSTRY, GET A LOT MORE FEEDBACK FOR THAT, AND REALLY GET A FINAL VOTE FROM THE FULL BOARD. UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP. SO THIS WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE 2018, UH, I CODE ADOPTION PROCESS. I KNOW, UH, THIS COMMITTEE DISCUSSED IT AT LENGTH. UH, WE WE'RE KIND OF BOUNCING AROUND WITH IT. UH, WE'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS, BUT LET ME, I APOLOGIZE, I'M KINDA GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. SO THE ASK IS TO LOOK AT SOME FORM OF CERTIFICATION FOR HOME BUILDERS WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. ADD THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT TO RECEIVE YOUR REGISTRATION, UH, FROM THE CITY. SO CURRENTLY IT IS APPLY APPLICATION, UH, PROOF OF INSURANCE, BACKGROUND CHECK. AND WE WANT TO ADD SPECIFICALLY TO THE HOME BUILDERS AND NOT THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS. THE DIFFERENCE THAN WHAT WE HAD BACK IN 2018 ON THE ASK WAS IT, IT WAS KIND OF ACROSS THE BOARD HOME BUILDERS AND HOME IMPROVEMENT. AND I KNOW BEING ON THE COMMITTEE AT THAT TIME, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THIS? WHO'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PASS THOSE CERTIFICATIONS AND HAVE THAT, SOME OF THE SMALLER COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT FOCUS MORE ON DOING A LITTLE BIT OF SHEET ROCK, DOING, SWAPPING OUT WINDOWS AND AND DOORS, THINGS THAT FALL UNDER THAT HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT ISN'T REALLY LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE STRUCTURAL, WHICH IS OUR KIND OF OUR CONCERN. LIFE, FIRE, LIFE SAFETY AND STRUCTURAL ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF PUSH, MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE MORE WELL UNDERSTOOD ARE THE, THE I CODES. UM, NOT JUST SPECIFICALLY THE I CODES. I MEAN THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD UNDER, BUT, UH, CERTIFIED IN SOME FORM. UM, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, SO WHAT IT WOULD BE IS REQUIRE ALL HOME BUILDER CONTRACTORS, SO THE ONES THAT BUILD NEW BUILDINGS OR ATTACH, UM, OUR ADDITIONS TO AN EXISTING BUILDING REGISTERED WITH THE D S D TO HAVE AN ACTIVE THIRD PARTY BUILDING CERTIFICATION APPRO APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. SO WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, EVEN THOUGH WHAT WE ADOPT IS THE I CODES, THEY HAVE TO BUILD PER THE I CODES, WE INSPECT FOR THE I CODES AND, UH, REVIEW FOR THE I CODES. THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT PROVIDE CERTIFICATION. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED BY I C C, UH, BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, I WANNA BE CERTIFIED FOR THIS, OR I AM ALREADY CERTIFIED BY THIS COMPANY, PRESENT THAT TO US AND WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THAT. THERE'S JUST SO MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE TO KIND OF LIKE CREATE A LIST, I THINK WOULD BE AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE, BUT GIVE US AN I AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AND SAY, YES, WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT, OR NO, WE WOULDN'T. SO CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF ONE CERTIFICATION AND WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS TO GET, DOES LIKE THE HOME BUILDERS HAVE A CERTIFICATION THAT THEY ISSUE SAYING YOU'RE A GOOD HOME BUILDER AND, OKAY, GO AHEAD, JEREMY. THERE. UH, THIS IS LEWIS , UH, CITY OF SEIN, UH, USES A NATIONALIZED, UH, TEST THAT THEY, UH, UH, THAT SOME COMPANY, UH, USES. IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE AND, UH, IT'S USED [00:25:01] BY OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES. UH, THOSE THAT REQUIRE TESTING. AND UH, THE, I BELIEVE THE, UH, COST OF THAT EXAM IS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF AROUND $400. IT'S ABOUT A A HALF DAY EXAM, BUT IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE AND IT, UH, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN ORDER TO PASS IT. CORRECT. UM, THAT'S ONE OPTION. AND WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK INTO THAT ONE AND ACCEPT THAT ONE AND CORRECT YA. SENA IS ONE OF THE CITIES IN THE AREA THAT DOES REQUIRE THIS REGISTRATION. UM, I'M REAL FAST, SO I'LL TRY TO, UM, AND I'LL, I DON'T HAVE THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, BUT EVERYBODY OVER HERE HAS A FEW OF THOSE. BUT THERE'S THROUGH I C C, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE TESTS THAT YOU CAN TAP PASS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE A PLANS REVIEWER FOR I R C, UM, A INSPECTOR FOR THE I R C. THEY HAVE THOSE, THEY HAVE A CONTRACTOR'S, UH, CERTIFICATION THAT YOU COULD PASS THAT TEST. TYPICALLY THOSE TESTS RANGE FROM 110 TO ABOUT $240. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE GOOD, I THINK FOR THREE YEARS, REQUIRE SIX TO EIGHT UNITS OF CEUS TO GET THAT CERTIFICATION UP, WHICH A LOT OF OUR, UM, PRESENTATIONS AND OUT THANKS TO THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SKA, OTHER FORMS OF, OF INFORMATION OR MEETINGS THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD MEET THOSE. BUT I C C AND PROVIDES A LOT OF CERTIFICATION, UH, CONTINUING EDUCATION, UM, OR WHATEVER ORGANIZATION THEY GO THROUGH. I MEAN, I, I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF FOCUSING ON I C C, THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW OF INTERNALLY JUST 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE BUILT OURSELVES AROUND. BUT LIKE I SAID, ONCE AGAIN, IF, IF, UH, THERE IS, UH, I KNOW THERE'S N R R C C I THINK IS ONE OF OUR, OR IN OUR, OUR EEC, IT'S, OKAY, N C C E R IS ANOTHER COMPANY THAT DOES HAVE FORMS OF CERTIFICATION. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE OPEN TO. SO GOING BACK TO MY EXAMPLE OF THE PRODUCTION HOME HOME BUILDER, WOULD EVERY CONSTRUCTION SUPERVISOR IN EACH OF THESE PRODUCTION HOME BUILDERS BE REQUIRED TO ALSO HAVE THIS BE INDIVIDUALLY CERTIFIED FOR THIS? SO THE REGISTRATION GOES TO A PERSON, I WANNA SAY THAT CORRECTLY. IT GOES TO A PERSON, NOT A COMPANY. THEY GET TIED TO A SINGLE COMPANY THOUGH, RIGHT? THEY CANNOT BE, UH, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE, WHOEVER'S REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THE ONLY ONE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT. SO HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NEW HOMES BUILT IN THE CITY. I MEAN, BASICALLY WHAT WE'D BE CREATING IS JUST A BARRIER TO ENTRY FOR LITTLE GUYS ESSENTIALLY WITH THIS. I'LL JUST POINT THAT OUT FOR NEW HOMES AND ADDITIONS, BUT NOT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SEPARATE AWAY FROM THE HOME IMPROVEMENTS. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE, UH, BRIAN SMITH JOINING US. HE'S THE PRIMARY, I THINK, FOR JO. SO JUST IN CASE ANY VOTES. SO SOME BIG COMPANY WOULD HAVE ONE PERSON GET THE LICENSE AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S ACTUALLY OUT SUPERVISING AND DOING THE WORK IS NOT, WILL THEY BE UNDER HIS AUSPICES? NO, NO. I, I UNDERSTAND. BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GET CERTIFIED, WHICH MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT PROBLEM ARE YOU TRYING TO SOLVE BY ADDING THE REQUIRE? I MEAN, IS THERE A PROBLEM WHERE YOU'RE COMING ACROSS HUNDREDS OF HOMES THAT AREN'T BUILT RIGHT, AND THIS WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM. ARE WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE I C C MORE BY TESTING JEREMY? ONE OF THE, UH, OBVIOUS ISSUES ARE, UH, KIND OF LIKE THE, UM, MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBERS. YOU HAVE A MASTER THAT PULLS THE LICENSES. YOU HAVE JOURNEYMEN UNDERNEATH HIM, HE'S SUPERVISING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY OF KNOWLEDGE THAT IS ACTUALLY OVER THESE GUYS WATCHING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND IN THIS, UH, SITUATION, YOU'RE TRYING TO, UM, MULTIPLY OR DUPLICATE THE SAME SITUATION TO WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AND KNOWLEDGEABLE WATCHING WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING, MAKING SURE THEY'RE DOING IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE, UH, ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE UNDER HIS, UH, RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY. CORRECT. AND, YOU KNOW, AND ONCE AGAIN THAT IT'S NOT A STATE LEVEL. SO A LOT OF THE ONES YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY REGISTER WITH US AND WE CAN DO SOME THINGS TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T WORK IN THE CITY ANYMORE. WE WON'T ISSUE PERMITS IF YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THAT PROPERLY. BUT THAT'S A STATE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. WE DON'T IMPACT THEIR LICENSES WHATSOEVER. WHERE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A STATE LICENSE. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY IMPACT WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE IN THE CITY AS WELL. ROBERT? YES, SIR. CHIEF JEREMY? UM, UH, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. UH, I WAS JUST SORT OF CURIOUS BECAUSE, UH, WHAT LEWIS WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED FROM T B P E AND THE TB BOARD THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSED ARCHITECT OR LICENSED ENGINEER, AND YOU HAVE EITS OR YOU HAVE ARCHITECTURAL INTERNS WORKING, IT MEANS THEY CAN WORK ON, IT'S, IT'S JUST LIKE BEING A MASTER ELECTRICIAN, MASTER PLUMBER. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT IS THE, THE INTENT OF THIS TO GET THE CERTIFICATION IS BASED ON WHAT FACTOR TO ADD THIS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET. WHAT THE INTENT OF ADDING THE LANGUAGE IS. NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I JUST WANTED THE BACKGROUND. CORRECT. AND YEAH, I WILL DEFER, I GUESS, TO [00:30:01] OUR STAFF THAT SEES THAT IN THE FIELD A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF THE GOAL. SO I'M NOT SURE IF MIKE OR SHARON WOULD LIKE TO MIKE CONSTANTINO, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, WE DO SEE SOME OF THAT IN THE FIELD. TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, AGAIN, IN, IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS DISCUSSED WHERE THE COMMITTEE HAD THAT LONG DISCUSSION, UM, BACK IN 2018 ABOUT EITHER KEEPING IT A REGISTRATION PROCESS OR INTRODUCING THE CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT. UM, SO AGAIN, WE KNOW, WE KNEW IT WAS A VERY CLOSE DECISION, THEY KEPT THE REGISTRATION. BUT ONE THING THAT WE MADE VERY CLEAR WAS THE REGISTRATION DOES NOT REALLY QUALIFY. THERE'S NO QUALITY, THERE'S NO EXAMINATION. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THREE ITEMS, THE APPLICATION, THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND INSURANCE, AND THEN YOU, WE ISSUE PERMIT. WE ISSUE A PERMIT TO BUILD A A TWO STORY HOME. UM, THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, LIKE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, TRADES, UH, WHERE THERE IS A, A LICENSE OR, OR AN EXAMINATION THAT QUALIFIES THE PERSON TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM AND, AND HAS AT LEAST THE KNOWLEDGE OF, OF THAT TRADE OR OF THAT, UM, IN OUR CASE, WE'RE TALKING THE I R C, WHICH IS A, NOT ONLY A LOCALLY ADOPTED CODE, BUT A STATE ADOPTED CODE. RIGHT. SO, UH, AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMMUNICATION WAS. AND, AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO KIND OF DISCUSS THAT AGAIN TO, TO GET, YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP YOUR, YOUR COMMITTEE'S REVIEW AND DISCUSSION ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS NEXT, UH, SET OF, UH, CODES. CAN YOU QUANTIFY FOR ME HOW THIS WILL IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? QUANTIFY? SURE. IT'S A, IT IS A DIRECT ENGAGEMENT BACK TO THE LATEST ADOPTED CODES. UM, WE HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM, WHICH WE INTRODUCED, UH, TWO YEARS AGO TO HELP BRING, UM, CONTRACTORS INTO THE, TO, TO LEARN CHAPTER 10. WE, WE PROVIDE 'EM A COPY OF CHAPTER 10. UH, WE EXPLAIN THE, THE PERMIT PROCESS, THE INSPECTION PROCESS. UH, WE, WE PROVIDE ACELA CLASSES ON, ON HOW TO, UH, OBTAIN PERMITS AND, AND SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS. UH, ALL OF THIS AGAIN, IS JUST INTRODUCING, UH, UH, A BETTER WAY FOR, UH, BOTH THE, THE CUSTOMER, UH, CITY STAFF. AND THEN THE ULTIMATE RESULT IS GONNA BE FOR THE CUSTOMER THAT IS BUYING, UH, THE STRUCTURE, RIGHT? AND, AND THE ADDITION ALL DUE RESPECT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE DESCRIBING TO ME WHAT THINGS THAT WE DO NOW. SO THIS THING THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS CERTIFICATION FROM A THIRD PARTY, HOW WILL THAT QUANTIFIABLY IMPROVE THE, UH, QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO? DO WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS ARE GONNA PASS MORE, MORE QUICKLY OR, OR WHAT? UM, 'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING A NEW BARRIER IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, UM, THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK VERSUS WHAT IS THE QUANTIFIABLE BENEFIT TO THE CITY. MIKE, IF, IF I CAN ADD ONTO THAT, UM, AND LEWIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, IF YOU, UH, VIOLATE ANY OF THE PROVISIONS, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS GONNA HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO MIKE'S COMMENTS, WAS, IS THE DETERRENT, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T MEET THE LETTER OF THE LAW, WE COULD GET OUR LICENSE SUSPENDED. IT CAN BE A YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT MAKES YOU SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GONNA KILL MY LIVELIHOOD, SO I BETTER BE ON TOP OF MY GAME. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT OF SOMEBODY, UH, IS VIOLATING THE PROVISIONS OF THE CERTIFICATION. WHAT IS THE ENFORCEMENT AND THE DETERRENT? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE KIND OF GETTING TO. YEAH, I, I MEAN, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THAT I HIRE AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN THE PLANS. I HIRE A M E P TO DESIGN THE ELECTRICAL AND THE PLUMBING. I HIRE LICENSED PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK. I DON'T REALLY NECESSARILY NEED TO BE A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT. I NEED TO BE AN EXPERT AT MANAGING THE PROCESS, NOT WITH ANY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE. YOU KNOW, WE USED TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE IN REAL ESTATE. I HAVE NO CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND OTHER THAN AS A KID SWEEPING AND, YOU KNOW, ON THE JOB TRAINING. OKAY. BUT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE STILL OWN THE HOUSES. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 30 YEARS OLD NOW. THEY'RE STILL STANDING, THEY'RE STILL IN GOOD SHAPE. AND I DON'T HAVE A CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND WHATSOEVER. I COULD PASS THE TEST PROBABLY, BUT THAT DOESN'T BECAUSE I'M A GREAT TEST TAKER. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE CONSTRUCTION EXPERTISE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT REQUIRING A CERTIFICATION IS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF ALL THE PIECES ARE IN PLACE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS WE'RE USING NOW. AND, AND UNLESS YOU CAN POINT TO SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS, [00:35:02] YOU KNOW WHERE THIS CERTIFICATION IS GONNA MEAN, THE PROBLEM WOULDN'T HAVE OCCURRED. I JUST THINK IT'S EXTRA, EXTRA FOR NO, BUT BRIAN SMITH, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MARK, BUT YOU JUST MENTIONED ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LICENSED OR CERTIFIED TO WORK ON YOUR PROJECT EXCEPT YOUR CONTRACTOR. I AM THE CONTRACTOR, YES. SO IF YOU'RE A GOOD CONTRACTOR, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM? CERTIFICATION? BECAUSE I GET CERTIFIED IN A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER STUFF AND IT'S WORTHLESS. I, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN I DO MY JOB ANY BETTER BY BEING CERTIFIED. AND I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING A HUGE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ONE PERSON THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, AT THE CORPORATE LEVEL THAT THAT INFORMATION DOESN'T PASS DOWN TO ANYBODY ELSE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN BUSINESS, YOU'RE FINANCIALLY LIABLE FOR WHAT YOU DO. AND I JUST THINK IT'S AN ADDED REQUIREMENT FOR NO PURPOSE. UH, BRIAN, BRIAN SMITH, IF I, IF I, SORRY. WE'RE, WE WERE LATE. WE WERE IN A MEETING EARLIER. WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THIRD PARTY ARE YOU PROPOSING? CERTIFICATION TESTING, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT, CORRECT? YEAH, ACTUALLY, UH, LET ME GET JACK IN HERE AND, UH, IF THE COMMITTEE WILL ALLOW, I WANT TO BACKTRACK JUST A LITTLE BIT. GIVE HIM A QUICK KIND OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO PRESENT, PRESENT, UH, SO THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, ESPECIALLY THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAVE ON THE COMMITTEE. UM, NO, I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BUSY AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING IN AND JOINING US AND PROVIDING Y'ALL'S PERSPECTIVE. UM, SO JACK, I, UM, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE IN THE DISCUSSION OF RIGHT NOW IS WE ARE, UH, UNDER AGENDA ITEM THAT'S DISCUSSING REGISTRATION OF, OF HOME BUILDERS AND HOME REMODEL CONTRACTORS FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, WE HAD A COUPLE ITEMS WE CAN REVISIT, UH, AS WELL. BUT MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP UNDER THE 2018, THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS. DO WE WANT TO ADD A CERTIFICATION PROCESS TO HOME BUILDER REGISTRATIONS? UH, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DID IN 2018 THAT WAS GONNA BE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ANYBODY THAT'S REGISTERED WITH THE BUILDING. UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ONLY HOME BUILDERS, WHICH IS LOOKING, UH, SO TO BE A HOME BUILDER, THAT MEANS YOU CAN DO A NEW BUILDING, AN ADDITION, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE SEPARATE FROM THE HOME IMPROVEMENT. SO HOME IMPROVEMENT CAN KINDA DO ANYTHING INSIDE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING, EXTERIOR OF AN EXISTING BUILDING, NOT DOING ANYTHING TOO STRUCTURAL, UH, TO THAT BUILDING. AND THEY CAN GET THOUSAND SQUARE OR SECOND STORY, THOSE TYPE OF, IT'S ACTUALLY ANYTHING OVER 300 OR ANY NEW ADDITION, ANY NEW ADDITION WOULD FALL UNDER HOME BUILDER. UH, SO ANYBODY THAT'S DOING, YOU KNOW, ADDING DOORS, WINDOWS, UH, REPLACING DOORS AND WINDOWS, DOING SOME SHEET ROCK WORK, STUFF LIKE THAT, UH, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE HOME IMPROVEMENT AND WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE REGISTER OR THE, UH, CERTIFICATION PROCESS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WOULD NOT BE REGISTERED. THEY, THEY WOULD BE REGISTERED STILL, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE CERTIFIED. THEY WOULD CORRECT. THEY WOULD JUST NOT BE, NEED TO BE CERTIFIED. SO THEIR PROCESS WOULD STAY THE SAME APPLICATION, PROOF OF INSURANCE AND, UH, BACKGROUND CHECK. THIS WOULD JUST BE FOR THE HOME BUILDERS REGISTRATION, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT, THAT DOES ANY OF THAT WORK, OF COURSE. BUT MOSTLY WHAT SEPARATES THEM IS THE NEW ADDITIONS OR NEW NEW BUILDINGS AND WHAT CERTIFICATION. SO WHAT WE WANNA DO HERE IS, UH, SO HOW WE WOULD PRESENT IT IS AN ACTIVE THIRD PARTY BUILDING CERTIFICATION APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. UH, SO OF COURSE I C C IS THE CODE THAT WE ADOPT. THAT'S WHAT STAFF MOSTLY KNOWS AND, UH, PRESENTS. BUT WE WANNA LEAVE IT OPEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PRESENT SOMETHING TO US, HEY, THIS IS A CERTIFICATION I HAVE, WE'RE HAPPY TO REVIEW THAT AND SEE IF IT MEETS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND IT IS A, IT WOULD BE A DECISION BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL SO THAT IT'S LIABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THAT CERTIFICATION, IT COULD COME TO BOARD AND THE BOARD OVER. SO, SO BRIAN SMITH. SO AN, UH, AN EXAMPLES, SEVERAL OF US THROUGH, UH, N E H B, THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME BUILDERS HAVE DIFFERENT CERTIFICATIONS, WHETHER IT BE A, A GRADUATE, UH, MASTER REMODELER, GRADUATE MASTER BUILDER CERTIFICATIONS WITHIN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, THAT CERTIFICATION, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD MEET THIS TYPE OF CRITERIA? I MEAN, I, I WOULD NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT OPEN KIND OF WHERE YOU PRESENT TO US, LET US DO A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE, LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, SEE IF THERE'S SOME CONTINUED EDUCATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, BUT NOT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'RE REMODELERS, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION REMODELERS ALSO HAVE NARI AND THEY HAVE THE SAME KIND OF CERTIFICATIONS. YEAH. UH, FOR THEIRS. BRIAN LEWIS MENTIONED A GROUP, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE, THE ORGANIZATION OUTTA SINE LEWIS, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT CERTIFICATION GROUP? OKAY. BUT YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO SINE. OKAY. YEAH. BUT CORRECT. I MEAN, THE GOAL IS TO, TO BROADEN IT AND NOT SAY IT HAS TO BE I C C, UM, JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE KNOW SO WELL. BUT IT IS, IT JUST BY SAYING BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVED, IT GIVES US THE CHANCE TO SAY IT'S SOME FORM OF CERTIFICATION THAT WE REVIEW AND WE SAY, YES, IT'S GOOD. AND IF NOT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DECISION, IT CAN BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, WE DO APPROVE THIS ONE, THIS ONE LOOKS GOOD. SO IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD HAVE A PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING SPECIFICALLY THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT PERSONALLY. I MEAN, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE AT LEAST A, JUST SORT OF LIKE WHAT, UH, SO CASE IN POINT, WHAT [00:40:01] WE HAVE IS SPECIAL INSPECTOR REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. WE HAVE A LIST OF LIKE YEARS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE, THEN YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY PRESENT THAT TO US AND YOU CAN DO THE SPECIAL INSPECTION. SO WE'LL PROBABLY AT LEAST HAVE A BARE MINIMUM. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST SO MANY OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WE PROBABLY NEVER EVEN HEARD OF. AND WE CAN DO A LOT OF RESEARCH AND NOT EVEN CATCH 'EM ALL. SO IT'D STILL BE KINDA LIKE, HERE'S, YOU KNOW, GIVE US THESE AND YOU'RE GOOD, BUT IF YOU BRING US IN ANOTHER ONE, WE'LL AT LEAST ENTERTAIN THAT AND MAYBE ADD IT TO THE LIST AS WELL. IF, IF MAKE WOULD BE, SORRY BRIAN SMITH. SO IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE OPEN TO THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO ORGANIZATIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FAMILIAR, WHICH IS A NATIONAL HOME BUILDER, SO HIT HOME BUILDERS. UM, THEN WE ALSO WANT TO HIT HERE. YOU GOTTA HOLD IT NOW. YEAH. UM, THEN ALSO AGAIN, YOU WANTED SOME OF THE ONES THAT DO ADDITIONS. SO SOME OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION REMODELER TYPE OF PROGRAMS, THEY HAVE, UH, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. SO, BUT TO BECOME A GRADUATE MASTER BUILDER, YOU HAD TO BE A CERTIFIED, UH, BUILDER FOR 10 YEARS, PLUS BEING GOOD STANDING BEFORE YOU CAN BECOME A GRADUATE MASTER BUILDER, WHICH YOU HAVE TO TAKE CERTAIN CLASSES. SAME THING WITH THEIR GRADUATE MASTER OR MODELER. SAME TYPE OF THING. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT FOR THE CLASSES TO GET IT. SO IF, IF, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THOSE KIND OF THIRD PARTY CERTIFICATIONS TO ALLOW THAT MEETING A CERTAIN CRITERIA, UM, THAT MIGHT BE OPEN TO IT. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S MUCH MORE IN DEPTH THAN WHAT WOULD REQUIRE TO GET THE I C C, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR INSPECTORS ARE REQUIRED TO GET THAT WITHIN A YEAR. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, STUDY THE CODE, KNOW THE CODE, AND TAKE A TEST. SO WHY IS THE, WHY IS THE REASONING THAT APPLIES THIS TO A HOME BUILDER, NOT APPLY IT TO A REMODELER? WHAT'S THE GOAL? UM, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH A LOT OF LIFE SAFETY ITEMS, YOU KNOW, REPLACING THE WINDOWS AND DOORS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE'RE NOT AS CONCERNED WITH ON THE LIFE SAFETY SIDE. WE WANT SURE. THEY'RE PULLING PERMITS, DOING THINGS CORRECTLY. 'CAUSE IT ALSO BRINGS IN THE ENERGY CODE BECAUSE, BUT THE REASON I KIND OF ON THE INTERNAL SIDE PUSHED FOR IT WAS HAVING BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SMALLER COMPANIES THAT REALLY ARE JUST DOING SOME MINOR WORK, WHERE HAVING THAT CERTIFICATION DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS SOMEBODY THAT WAS OR CERTIFICATION DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, PROVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING STRUCTURAL ITEMS OR LIFE SAFETY ITEMS, LIKE BLOCKING IN THE WALLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT FROM FRAMING. UH, THAT IS WHY WE WERE KIND OF SAYING, LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE JUST DOING THIS SMALL WORK, WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT. WE WANNA KEEP THAT AVENUE OPEN, UH, AS IS AND ALLOW YOU TO STILL PULL YOUR REGISTRATIONS AND CONTINUE THAT WORK WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT. DO WE HAVE A FEEL FOR HOW MANY OF THE CURRENTLY REGISTERED HOME BUILDERS PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE THE CERTIFICATION? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEAS? ALLOW US, UH, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND RIGHT. WE HAVE ORGANIZATION. OKAY, ORGANIZATION. EVERYBODY HAS THEIR DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES, INCLUDING MYSELF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF, WE HAVE ENGINEERS THAT HELP CREATE ALL OUR WORK. WE HAVE THIRD PARTY INSPECTIONS TO DO ALL OUR DUE DILIGENCE RIGHT NOW, OUR REGISTERED CONTRACT, HE'S NOT CERTIFIED YET. YOU KNOW, AND YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, A THIRD PARTY PERMIT. PEOPLE. WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ALSO GONNA HURT? I'M NOT, I'M SORRY, THIRD PARTY PERMIT. YOU TALKING ABOUT EXPEDITERS? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WE HIRE A COMPANY TO DO MY PERMIT. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE REGISTERED, THEY'RE, SO THEY'RE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OR ARE THEY STILL USING YOUR REGISTRATION? THAT'S WHAT I DON'T KNOW. OH, OKAY. GOTCHA. NOT SURE. WELL, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, UH, JACK HU OR JEREMY, JUST A QUICK, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ASKED THIS A HUNDRED TIMES OVER THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO BE A BUILDER? AND I SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CELL PHONE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FISHING LICENSE, , BECAUSE WE'VE CURRENTLY REALLY NOT HAD ANYTHING. SO IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE TO ANYTHING. THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDERS, OR I HATE TO SAY IT, I'M KIND OF LIKE ROACHES, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S JUST, THEY'RE ANYBODY THAT, ANYBODY'S A BUILDER THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE CITY, BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MORE CONCISE. AND I, I DON'T, I KIND OF LIKE WHAT MIKE'S SAYING. I DON'T, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ON HOME IMPROVEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE THEY COME IN AND THEY, HEY, CAN YOU DO THIS? CAN YOU DO THAT? CAN YOU DO THIS? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE FRAME, OH, CAN YOU FRAME THIS WALL UNDERNEATH THIS STRUCTURAL, CAN YOU TEAR THAT WALL OUT AND PUT ME IN THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DRAW THAT LINE. UM, EXACTLY. BUT FOR US AS, AS BUILDERS THAT HAVE BEEN DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, EVEN IF WE'RE IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING, UH, YOU KNOW, USUALLY YOU'RE HOPING THAT YOU'RE BEING CHOSEN BECAUSE YOU ARE REPUTABLE AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE, HEY, MY COUSIN'S BROTHER'S SON SAW A BUILDING ON TV AND HE CAN BUILD THAT HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF, THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PRETTY GOOD CRITERIA SHORT OF TAKE HAVING SOMEBODY TAKE A, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR EXAM OF SOME SORT. BUT SOME BASIC, [00:45:02] I I GUESS Y'ALL ARE GONNA COME UP WITH SOMETHING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ON THIS THIRD PARTY? NO, THAT'S THE, THE, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO KEEP IT OPEN AND SOMEBODY COULD PRESENT SOMETHING TO US, THEN WE WOULD APPROVE IT OR DISAPPROVE IT. UM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A BASELINE'S LIKE GONNA SAY, WE WOULD KIND OF AT LEAST HAVE A GENERIC LIST THAT HOPEFULLY WOULD CAPTURE 95% OF WHAT COMES IN. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU GOTTA HAVE A BASELINE BECAUSE ANYBODY CAN BRING, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO TO MONARCH TROPHY AND HAVE 'EM MAKE ME A CERTIFICATION REAL PRETTY, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH MY FISH, MY FISH ON THERE. AND UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SOME TYPE OF A BASELINE OF, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, BUT I, I WOULD THINK TYPICALLY A REGISTRY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CAN SHOW WHAT, WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOCUMENTS WERE YOU REVIEW? I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU BEING TESTED AGAINST OR CERTIFIED AGAINST? TESTING MAY NOT BE WHAT IT IS. I'M SURE THERE'S CERTIFICATIONS OUT THERE ATTEND SO MANY CLASSES, UM, YOU KNOW, AND GET CERTIFIED THINGS LIKE THAT ORGANIZATION. YEAH. SO I MEAN, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT GOOD TEST TAKERS AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO MOVE AWAY FROM JUST, HEY, GO GET YOUR I C C CERTIFICATION AND YOU'RE DONE. BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT COULD PASS THAT TEST IF THEY JUST HAD THE ABILITY TO SIT DOWN AND TAKE THAT TEST. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT EVERYBODY. THAT'S WHERE CERTIFICATIONS THAT ARE MORE JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOW US ON THE JOB, ARE SIT IN, IN CLASSES AND GO OVER THIS STUFF, THOSE CERTIFICATIONS WOULD BE AS WELL. BUT YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE A REGISTRY ON. WE CAN GO TO A WEBSITE, GET A REGISTRY, SEE THAT IT'S THERE, SEE THAT IT'S RENEWED EVERY SINGLE TIME. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE WOULD ALSO PROBABLY BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ON THE WAY OF CE USE. SO WE WANT THIS TO KIND OF BE A, A CONTINUOUS, CONTINUOUS THING, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST, HEY, I PASSED IT 20 YEARS AGO AND YOU KNOW, I'M STILL BUILDING A HOUSE AS 20 YEARS AGO, NOT PER THE, THE LATEST CODES. YEAH. UM, JEREMY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. UH, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT MR. RUT UTMO SAID, AND UH, I UNDERSTAND WHY HE WANTS TO SEPARATE FROM THE FLY BY NIGHT SEAT OF THE PANTS PICKUP TRUCK AND A TOOL BELT. BUT, UM, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT, I AGREE WITH THE, THE THIRD PARTY CERTIFICATION, BUT THIS IS JUST PART OF IT. AND IF THE DETERRENT OR THE VIOLATIONS OF THE PROVISIONS OF A CERTIFICATION ARE NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO APPROVE TODAY, THEN IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY, OKAY, IT'S KIND OF OPEN-ENDED BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY NOTED THAT, UH, THE THIRD PARTY BUILDING CERTIFICATIONS AS, UM, MR. SMITH WAS SAYING APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, AND THERE COULD BE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM AND WE COULD APPROVE 'EM HERE AT THE COMMITTEE. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING HOW DO WE GET TO THE NEXT STAGE? BECAUSE THIS, THIS STILL DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THE I'S DOTTED AND THE T'S CROSSED AS FAR AS, UH, ENFORCEMENT IN VIOLATIONS AND THE DETERRENT TO THAT SO THAT THEY MAINTAIN THAT, THAT QUALITY THAT I THINK THE HOME BUILDERS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILDING FOR YEARS IS TRYING TO MAINTAIN FOR THEIR PROFESSION. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE C E U, YOU KNOW, AS WE MIGHT PUT SOME MORE IN THERE, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CERTIFICATION WITH CEUS FOR CONTINUING EDUCATION, FOR RENEWAL. SO WHEN THEY GO TO RENEW, CURRENTLY IT'S A TWO YEAR REGISTRATION WITH THE CITY, JUST LIKE WITH THEIR INSURANCE AND THEIR BACKGROUND CHECK, WE WOULD GO AND LOOK ONLINE AND SAY, OH, YEP, THEIR CERTIFICATION IS STILL UP TO DATE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE A REGISTRY TYPE APPROACH AS WELL. AND JEREMY FOR THE, FOR ALL THE HOME LISTENERS, C E U IS CONTINUING EDUCATION, PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, YOU NEED TO FORM A CONTINUING EDUCATION OR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT UNITS. JEREMY, JEREMY, THE OTHER, UH, THIS LIST FAR, THE OTHER THING THAT I SEE HAPPENING, I GET CONSTANT PEOPLE COMING INTO THE OFFICE THAT HAVE GOTTEN HIT UP BY THE STRIKE TEAM FOR, UH, DOING CONSTRUCTION THAT, UH, WAS UNPERMITTED BY QUOTE QUOTE CONTRACTORS WHO COME IN AND, UH, SELL THEIR SERVICES WITHOUT ANY KIND OF, UH, QUALIFICATION OR ANYTHING. THEY JUST HAVE A HAMMER AND A, UH, FRAMING NAME, UH, UH, APRON THE NIGHTLY NEWS SOMETIMES. YEAH. AND, UH, MAYBE THIS WILL DETER SOME OF THAT AND IT'S NOT GONNA ELIMINATE EVERYTHING, BUT IF WE COULD, UH, ELIMINATE MOST OF IT, WE'D BE BETTER OFF. AND SO WOULD THE PUBLIC YEAH, RESPECTFULLY. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS CHANGES THE, THOSE PEOPLE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT EVEN REGISTERING AND PULLING PERMITS, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT TO, TO GET A CERTIFICATION ISN'T GONNA, ISN'T GONNA CHANGE IT. THE ONLY TROUBLE WITH THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE PULL THE PERMITS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, RIGHT? SO I'LL JUST, I'LL SAY IF I'M PULLING A, A PERMIT TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE, I HAVE TO HAVE A FOUNDATION PLAN WITH AN ENGINEER STAMP ON IT THAT YOU ALL WORKED VERY HARD AND, YOU KNOW, TOOK A LOT OF YEARS OF COLLEGE AND, AND, AND LEARNED A LOT MORE MATH THAN I DID TO, TO GET, UM, I HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERED STAMPED FRAMING PLAN. I HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERED STAMPED TRU PLAN. UM, I HAVE A, A ELECTRICAL ENGINEER DESIGN, THE ELECTRICAL, THE MASTER, YOU KNOW, H V A C CONTRACTOR DESIGN, ALL THAT STUFF. AS A BUILDER, MY JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS THAT YOU WORKED SO DILIGENTLY TO MAKE AND STUDIED SO HARD TO MAKE CORRECT ARE DONE. THE WAY THE PLANS SAY, WHETHER OR NOT I CAN DRAW THOSE PLANS, MY MYSELF IS, IS IMMATERIAL. I THINK, AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE PRODUCTION HOME BUILDER, YOU KNOW THAT YOU'VE [00:50:01] GOT AN ARMY OF 50, AND I WAS ONE OF 'EM, SO I CAN SAY THIS WITH SOME EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? , UM, THE BAR, THE PERSON THAT TAKES THIS TEST IS NOT COMING OUT TO THE FIELD. I, I PROMISE YOU THAT. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THINK WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE'RE WHAT THIS DOES IS IT, IT IT'S ALMOST A RENT SEEKING FOR THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT GIVE THE CERTIFICATION. IT GIVES A FALSE SENSE OF, OF SOME KIND OF SECURITY BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS AN ENGINEER LICENSE THAT, YOU KNOW, KNOW YOU LOSE YOUR LIVE LIVELIHOOD. YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE BUILDING WITHOUT IT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS NEGATIVELY AFFECTS IS THE PEOPLE THAT NEED A CHANCE THE MOST, WHICH MIGHT BE SOMEONE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ENGLISH ISN'T THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING, THEY'RE REGISTERING, THEY HAVE THEIR INSURANCE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT DONE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST ONE MORE STEP FOR 'EM TO TAKE. THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY, IN MY MIND, IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY. AND THAT'S, UH, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN POINT. AND, AND IT ALLOWS THE OTHER BUILDERS TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR GRAND MASTER, UM, BUILDER'S LICENSE. I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRODUCT DIFFERENTIATION FOR YOU. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S A MARKETABLE THING TO HAVE. UM, AND IF WE REQUIRE A MEANINGLESS CERTIFICATE FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE IT DEGRADES THE VALUE OF THE CERTIFICATE THAT YOU'VE WORKED HARD TO, TO EARN. SO THAT'S MY SPIEL ON THIS JACK UP MORGAN, ONE MORE QUICK ADDITION TO THAT IS WE'VE HAD, OVER THE YEARS, SEVERAL PEOPLE COME IN HERE TO GET IT AND THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF VARIOUS REASONS. CORRECT? BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE PROCEDURES. CORRECT. AND MOST OF 'EM HAVE BEEN LEGAL TYPE ISSUES. AND, AND WE'D HAD TO MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER TO OVERRIDE Y'ALL. AND A LOT OF THE TIMES IF WE DID OVERRIDE OR AS A POINT OF CONSIDERATION WAS THEY WOULD COME IN WITH PEOPLE THAT WOULD VOUCH FOR THEM, PEOPLE THAT WOULD GIVE THEM REFERRAL LETTERS. AND IT, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE PART OF WHATEVER YOUR REGISTRATION, IF, IF YOU GOT A GUY THAT'S WANTING TO BE IN THE BUSINESS, UH, YOU KNOW, HE OUGHT TO HAVE A FEW LETTERS OF REFERRAL FROM CHARACTER OR WHATEVER FROM PEOPLE THAT IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, D R HORTON'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEMS SENDING YOU 10 LETTERS, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE REGULAR JOE OUT THERE. YOU SAY, WELL, DID HE DID, I MEAN, I HAVE BANKERS CALL ME ALL THE TIME, HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS BUILDER? AND I'D GO, IF I HAVE, I SAY, WELL, I HEARD 'EM, BUT I REALLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT 'EM. BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A COUPLE OF LETTERS OF REFERRAL FROM YOUR BANKER, FROM SOMEBODY THAT, THAT WOULD BE, UH, LEGITIMATE THAT YOU COULD CALL AND SAY, HEY, IS THIS, IS THIS GUY SOLID OR NOT? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT. OKAY. YEAH, AND I MEAN, I, I KNOW SOME CITIES THAT AROUND THE TEXAS, UH, NEW BRAUNFELS I KNOW ARE OFF THE BAT, DOES HAVE THAT THEY DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR I THINK TWO, UM, EXISTING PROJECT, UM, ANOTHER COMPANY AND A FINANCIAL, UH, RE SO I MEAN, YEAH, IF THE COMMITTEE HAS THAT RECOMMENDATION, IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO LOOK AT AS WELL. UH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT AS, AS YOU CAN KINDA SEE THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE ABOUT 2,400, SO I GOTTA LOOK AT THE PERSON THAT'S TEAM WOULD HAVE TO DO THOSE REVIEWS, . SO I IMMEDIATELY, BRIAN SMITH ALSO JUST IF, IF WE'RE PUTTING THIS UP FOR, YOU KNOW, VOTER LATER OR, OR THAT KIND OF STUFF FOR CONSIDERATION. AGAIN, THIS IS EVERY YEAR. SO MY MINE WOULD BE, YEAH, THAT'S A PAIN. YEAH, TWO YEARS IS A PAIN RIGHT NOW FOR US. I'M, SO SOMETHING I WOULD PROPOSE SOMETHING AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTURE YOU HAVE TO DO ONCE YOU DO IT, THERE'S SOME TIME PERIOD THAT GOES THROUGH BECAUSE AS FAR AS FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, YOU HAVING REVIEWED THAT, DOING THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF. SO MR. SMITH, I HAVE TO RENEW MY LICENSING AND REGISTRATION EVERY YEAR AND I'M SURE LOUIS HAS GOT THE SAME THING, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE 18 HOURS OF A CONTINUING EDUCATION, BUT THERE'S, EVERY YEAR THERE'S 2,400 THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH. SO MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A, A TWO YEAR, UH, OR TWO TO THREE YEAR AS FAR AS EVERY, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE. IT IS TWO YEARS. I MEAN, CURRENTLY IT'S, SO RIGHT NOW I KNOW WE ARE DOING, BUT IT DOESN'T STATE THAT HERE. SO I JUST, I YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO MY DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES AT THE END OF MR. UH, UP MORE, MR. SMITH, IS THIS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROFESSION AND DOES IT PROTECT THE PROFESSION IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF I DO SOMETHING THAT'S IN VIOLATION OF THE CODES, RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE TB, AE, UH, I CAN LOSE MY LICENSES. UH, LEWIS AND I ACKNOWLEDGE A YEAR, TWO, THREE YEARS, AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A DETERRENT THERE. AND IF YOU WANT TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF THE PROFESSION, UH, FOR, FOR HOME BUILDERS, UH, IS THIS AN IMPROVEMENT? AGAIN, I, I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE CONCRETE, UH, THE BASELINE MORE SO THAN YEAH, THE REGISTRATION INSTEAD OF JUST CARTE BLANC SAYING IT. YEAH, IT COULD, BUT I MEAN, YEAH, I HAVE TO GET MY FISHING LICENSE EVERY AUGUST, YOU KNOW, AND IF I VIOLATE IT, THEY TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME. SO THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I GUESS WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF VAGUE RIGHT NOW IN MY OPINION. SO LET ME ASK, ASK YOU, ASK YOU TO JUMP IN THIS, OKAY, SO THE TEST, THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE, [00:55:02] ARE YOU THE BUILDER THAT YOU ARE TODAY BECAUSE YOU TOOK THOSE EXAMS OR WERE, DID YOU PASS THE EXAMS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LIFETIME OF KNOWLEDGE UNDER YOUR BELT FROM BEING A BUILDER? I PRESENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY CERTIFICATIONS EXCEPT FOR I, UH, OWN A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND I'VE GOT STATE LICENSE, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND 40 YEARS OF, AND SO I HAVE NOTHING BESIDES A DEGREE FROM THE FINE TEXAS A AND M UNIVERSITY, UH, THAT I BARELY GOT THROUGH. AND, UH, IT'S MUSTER TONIGHT, SO IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, NO, I THINK THE 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, BUT I CAN ALSO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF REFERENCES AND PLENTY OF CREDIBILITY. BUT NO, I DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. BUT THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW HOW CREDIBILITY THAT YOU GET FOR SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T, BRIAN'S WORKED REAL HARD AND, AND THEY ARE GREAT CERTIFICATIONS. IT'S GOT 'EM A LOT OF WORK AND IT, AND IT'S, THAT'S A GREAT THING TOO. BUT I STILL THINK YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMPLISTIC THAT IF THAT AT LEAST YOU SAID YOU DID SOMETHING BESIDES ASK FOR A FISHING LICENSE AND A CELL PHONE. BUT, BUT SOMEBODY LIKE JACK THAT HIS, HIS, I MEAN THE, THEIR FAMILY BUSINESS HAS BEEN BUILDING STUFF FOR LIKE WHEN I WAS BORN, SO THAT'S PROBABLY 50 OR 60 YEARS. OKAY. ARE YOU GONNA MAKE, ARE, ARE WE SAYING THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK NOW AND GET CERTIFIED, PASS ONE OF THESE TESTS AND THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE? THE QUESTION REALLY IS, IS JUST LIKE, THERE WAS A LARGE ARCHITECT, ROBERT HANLEY, SORRY, , THERE WAS A LARGE ARCHITECTURE FIRM IN THIS TOWN. UH, THEY'VE RECENTLY CHANGED THEIR NAME AGAIN, AND THE OWNER WAS NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT HE HAD REGISTERED ARCHITECTS THROUGHOUT HIS STAFF. HE HAD LIKE 12, 14 REGISTERED ARCHITECT, THEN INTERNS. SO THE QUESTION REALLY IS DOES THE OWNER HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED OR CAN HE HAVE A CERTIFIED BUILDER ON HIS STAFF? CORRECT. I MEAN, CORRECT. I MEAN, THE, THE PERSON REGISTERED IS THE ONE THAT GETS THE REGISTER. IT'S A PERSON, NOT A COMPANY, AND THEN THAT PERSON CAN TIE TO A COMPANY. BUT TECHNICALLY, BUT ONLY ONE COMPANY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT SEEMS, YEAH. OKAY. UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE CONTRACTORS OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND THIS CERTIFICATION IS NOT GONNA IMPACT WHAT THEIR QUALITY OUT THERE? OF COURSE. YEAH. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CAPTURE ALL 26, 2400 CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. UM, KIND OF GOING BACK TO A, UH, MR. ULA IS BROUGHT UP IN REGARDS TO PEOPLE PULLING PERMITS AND NOT DOING THE RIGHT WORK, OR NOT PULLING PERMITS AND DOING THINGS. HE MENTIONED OUR ENFORCEMENT TEAM, THE STRIKE TEAM. UM, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT CHIEF IS, HAS GONE, OR I WOULD HAVE HIM BRING UP, BUT THAT THOSE, THAT DOES CAPTURE A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE OVER OUR CONCERNS ARE AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SOMETIMES DO PULL A PERMIT, UH, AS, AS I THINK JACK BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY'LL PULL A SIMPLE REMODEL. I'M GONNA, UH, YOU KNOW, DO SOME, SOME DOORS AND WINDOWS AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF SHEET ROCK. AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT, WE'D GO OUT AND WE'D DO AN INSPECTION. IT'S LIKE WE GOT WALLS REMOVED AND BEAMS EVERYWHERE THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A HOME IMPROVEMENT. THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD ALMOST NEED A, YOU KNOW, THAT MUCH LEVEL OF, OF STRUCTURAL WORK WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT AND DO, NEEDING THAT TO BE A HOME BUILDER. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES AN ENGINEER'S NOT EVEN INVOLVED. THEY KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, I PUT THIS BEAM IN, I THINK IT WORKS. IT'S NOT SAGGING RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE GOOD TO GO. AND, UH, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE AS WELL. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF THOSE THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY DO PULL PERMITS, THEY WON'T COMPLETE THEIR INSPECTIONS. SOMETIMES IT IS AN IGNORANCE ISSUE. UM, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WOULD GET THEM, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU GOTTA GET THIS CERTIFICATION. OKAY, WELL LET GO DO A BIT OF RESEARCH AND CRACK THE I R C FOR THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF JUST PAYING, YOU KNOW, GETTING MY INSURANCE, DOING MY BACKGROUND CHECK, PAYING THE, THE FEE TO GET REGISTERED WITH US AND START BUILDING. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL, ALRIGHT, YOU KNOW, LEMME LOOK AT THE I R C AND LEARN SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE WITH THIS AS WELL. COULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY USE ALMOST AS A CORRECTIVE ACTION WHEN PEOPLE ARE FOUND VIOLATING DIFFERENT THINGS? YOU KNOW, ALMOST ASSIGN THIS AS, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SUSPENDING THEIR LICENSE YEAH. INSTEAD OF SUSPENDING THEIR LICENSE, YOU HAVE TO COMPLETE THE CERTIFICATION AND, YOU KNOW, SHOW THAT YOU'VE TAKEN THAT TEST AND ARE ACTIVELY REGISTERED. YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF YOU COULD ALMOST KEEP IT IN YOUR POCKET FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, THIS IS SAYING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE IT OR YOU CAN'T DO THAT, BUT THAT YEAH, THAT'S I'M SAYING IN LIEU OF INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, ASSUME THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IT CORRECTLY AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE DISCOVERED, NOT DOING IT CORRECTLY, ADD THIS AS A REQUIREMENT FOR THEM IN ORDER TO KEEP THEIR REGISTRATION. YEAH. WELL SOME ARE AND SOME AREN'T. I MEAN, THERE'S A, THERE, I MEAN, PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED BECAUSE THEY'RE OFFICER REGISTERED NOW, RIGHT? SOMETIMES TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY, TWENTY THREE HUNDRED, YEAH. HUNDRED REGISTERED NOW. MM-HMM. RATHER THAN REQUIRE THEM TO ALL GO OUT AND GET THIS THIRD PARTY BUILDING CERTIFICATION NOW AS THEY DISCOVER PERMIT VIOLATIONS OR DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SUSPENDING SOMEBODY'S LICENSE [01:00:01] AS A CORRECTIVE ACTION, REQUIRE THEM TO GET THIS CERTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, ASSUME THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING IT CORRECTLY AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT, THEN REQUIRE IT FOR THEM. YEAH. AND WE HAVE, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING I CAN BRING TO THIS COMMITTEE, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RESTRUCTURING AND MOVING THE KIND OF AN ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THINGS WHERE WE HAVE, AND IT'S SPELLED OUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T DO THINGS CORRECTLY UNDER EACH ONE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF REGISTRATIONS, WE CAN SUSPEND FOR 30, 60, 90. I MEAN, IF THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT AS, YEAH, WE CAN SUSPEND YOU FOR 30 PLUS, YOU HAVE TO GET SOME FORM OF CERTIFICATION OR SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT IT IS. IF IT'S MORE OF A REACTIVE INSTEAD OF A PROACTIVE APPROACH, THAT'S STILL SOMETHING I THINK THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY AS A WHOLE. JOE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU LOOK LIKE, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE YES. UH, CURRENTLY ISN'T A TASK FORCE. ARE THEY STILL AT A HIGH PEAK IN THEIR VIOLATIONS? OR HAS IT IMPROVED SINCE WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR MORE REGISTRATIONS LAST 18 YEARS. I REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME ON BOARD, IT WAS REMARKABLE WHAT THEY WERE FINDING IN JUST SIX WEEKS. AND I KNOW PART OF IT WAS PUSHING FOR THE REGISTRATION AND THE TASK FORCE WAS CREATED. UH, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE THEN? UM, UNFORTUNATELY THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN KIND OF PUT ON HOLD FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS BECAUSE OF JUST SHEER VOLUME. I MEAN, IT KIND OF STARTED WITH, WITH COVID, WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TRYING TO NOT GO OUT THERE AND CAUSE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROBLEMS AND , YOU KNOW, SO WE WERE ONLY LOOKING FOR THE MAJOR ISSUES, UH, BEING MORE PRO UH, REACTING INSTEAD OF PROACTIVE. UM, AND THEN IT MOVED INTO THE NEW ELLA SYSTEM, WHICH KIND OF SLOWED DOWN TO OUR APARTMENT. AND THEN LATELY OUR INSPECTIONS TEAM'S BEEN HEAVILY OVER UNDERSTAFFED AND OVER, OVER INSPECTIONS WHERE WE USED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STAFFED FOR LIKE DOING 900 A DAY AND NOW WE'RE DOING 12, 1300. SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN OUT DOING INSPECTIONS ONLY, UH, THE, SO I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. BUT YEAH, WE DID HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WITH, AS YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE MOVING RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING THROUGH THE INVESTIGATIONS TEAM. UH, BUT WE WILL BE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR REQUESTS THIS NEXT YEAR IS TO ASK FOR TWO NEW POSITIONS FOR THAT. BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CONTRACTORS OUT THERE NOT DOING IT PROPERLY. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY GETTING THAT. BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SEE A LOT OF, I, I WOULD ASSUME STARTING IN JULY WHEN WE'RE HOPING TO GET BACK TO BEING PROACTIVE AGAIN, INCREASING THAT AND SEEING A BIG PUSH INTO THE COMMUNITY. UH, THIS IS ROBERT HELI AGAIN, THIS SORT OF REMINDS ME BACK IN THE SUMMER OF OH THREE AND OH FOUR, WHEN THE CITY DECIDED TO GO FROM THE UNIFORM FAMILY OF CODES TO THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL'S FAMILY OF CODES. AND THE CITY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THEY WERE GONNA START, UM, ENFORCING 1704 SPECIAL INSPECTIONS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS IN THE OLD UNIFORM FAMILY. AND, UH, PEP A I A DEVELOPMENT SERVICE. WE WORKED FOR ABOUT A YEAR TO COME UP WITH ALL THE STUFF. AND WE DID RESEARCH ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES WHO WAS ENFORCING THAT. AND WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE NEW I C C FAMILY OF CODES WITH 1704, THERE WAS SO MUCH WAILING AT THE WALL AND GNASHING THE TEETH BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING SOMETHING NEW, WHICH WAS ALREADY ALWAYS IN THE CODE, BUT THE CITY DIDN'T ENFORCE IT. SO YOU'RE GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK ON THIS, BUT I ALWAYS LOOK, IS THIS A SMALL STEP TOWARDS AN IMPROVEMENT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU MAKE A CHANGE LIKE THIS, UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE FITS. IT'S KINDA LIKE THE TREE ORDINANCE. WE'RE ON 2.0 OR 3.0. DON'T KNOW ANY DEVELOPERS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS 'CAUSE OF THE TREE ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS A CHANGE. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME DIFFICULT TIME WITH THIS, BUT, UH, I STILL THINK IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY. YOU TRIGGERED MARK ON THE TREE ORDINANCE. GO, GO . NO, YOU HAVE NOT PUT ANYBODY IN BI OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT YOU'VE RAISED RENTS ABOUT 50 TO 75 TO A HUNDRED BUCKS A MONTH ON AVERAGE PER UNIT BECAUSE OF THE ADDED LAND THAT'S COST TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE DEAL. SO NOBODY'S GONNA GO OUTTA BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU, YOU DO THIS, IT JUST MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE HOME CONTRACTING BUSINESS OR MAKE IT THE BARRIER. ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING IS I LIKE, UH, THE IDEA OF USING IT AS A, LIKE STICK. YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU DON'T DO IT RIGHT, HERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET AS A DEAL. BUT I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT IF WE'RE SO WORRIED ABOUT MAKING SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RULES, THAT MAYBE WE DEVELOP OR YOU DEVELOP SOME KIND OF ONLINE TRAINING COURSE THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO GO THROUGH LIKE I DO TO GET MY REAL ESTATE LICENSE WHERE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF PROGRAM WHERE YOU SIT DOWN AND WATCH AND YOU HAVE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY AND GET 'EM RIGHT. AND TO GET YOUR CERTIFICATION SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RULES ARE [01:05:01] THAT THEY HAVE TO LIVE ON. HAVING, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON IN A COMPANY OF THAT BUILDS, YOU KNOW, 500 HOMES A YEAR, HAVE A, HAVE A CERTIFICATION, IS NOT GONNA IMPROVE THE QUALITY. IT'S NOT GONNA INCREASE THE PROFESSION. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES ARE STILL NOT GONNA FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE CUSTOMER IS NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, GET ANY BETTER HOUSE FROM JACK THAN HE WOULD'VE CERTIFIED OR UNCERTIFIED. AND I JUST THINK MAKING PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR THAT LONG GO GET SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WORTHLESS. CORRECT. AND WE DO HAVE CONTRACTOR CONNECT, WHICH IS A PROGRAM THAT WE DO OFFER. UH, WE, I THINK IT'S ONCE A MONTH AT THIS TIME. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE AND IMPROVE ON THAT, BUT IT IS A PROGRAM, NO TESTING OR FOLLOW UP, BUT IT IS A, WE, UH, HOUR LONG PRESENTATION OR SOMETIMES TWO HOUR LONG PRESENTATION WE PROVIDE. YEAH, MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE MANDATORY FOR LICENSURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING TO GET SOME KIND OF EDUCATION CREDIT THROUGH Y'ALL THAT GOES OVER WHAT THE RULES ARE SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE RULES ARE AND HOW TO GET THE PERMIT AND NOT HAVE WHAT YOU, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE ONLINE WHERE YOU CAN JUST DO IT AT YOUR LEISURE VERSUS HAVING, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE LICENSES ARE GONNA EXPIRE AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE. BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT COURSE, THEY WOULD GET SOMETHING THAT WOULD USEFUL. AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND CAN'T DO VERSUS SOME I C C CERTIFICATION THAT NOBODY OTHER THAN THE PERSON WHO TAKES IT IS GONNA PAY ATTENTION TO. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WOULD STILL BE THE ONLY PERSON WE CAN ENFORCE WOULD BE THE PERSON PULLING THE REGISTRATION. SO IF IT'S ONE INDIVIDUAL WITH 50 CONTRACTORS UNDERNEATH THEM DOING ALL THAT, I MEAN, IT WOULD STILL FALL UNDER THAT. BUT THAT IS A VALID POINT AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO CONSIDERATION. WE KEEP CON CONFUSING THE TERMS OF REGISTRATION AND LICENSE. I MEAN, NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT A LICENSE HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU GET REGISTERED BY PAYING YOUR MONEY, HAVING YOUR INSURANCE, AND BEING ABLE TO PULL PERMITS. WE'RE SAYING TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT REGISTRATION, YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME COURSE SOMEWHERE AND GET A CERTIFICATION TO DO THAT. SO JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LANGUAGE IS ALL CRUCIAL ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IT IS EXACTLY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DUNNO, WE MIGHT BE AT AN IMPASSE HERE. MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO VOTE. I MEAN, I, I, I'VE STEADFASTLY OPPOSED ANY FURTHER BUREAUCRATIZATION OF THE PROCESS. WE HAVE ENGINEERS, WE HAVE INSPECTORS, UM, WE HAVE PLAN REVIEW, WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS ADDING ANOTHER STEP THAT WE CAN'T QUANTIFY HOW IT'S GONNA IMPROVE. LIKE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE DO THIS, WHAT ARE WE GONNA LOOK BACK STATISTICALLY AND SAY, THE CITY IS BETTER OFF THIS WAY. IS IT BE GONNA BE BECAUSE THE INSPECTORS HAD FEWER RE-INSPECTIONS? IS THAT, IS THAT THE METRIC THAT WE USE? 'CAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO, TO HAVE AT LEAST AN IDEA OF WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE. I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING OTHER THAN JUST BUILDING A BARRIER. UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, RENT SEEKING FOR CERTIFICATION ORGANIZATIONS. IF I CAN, MR. CHAIR, JIM, MR. ROBERT HANLEY BEFORE WE, UH, SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION AND SECOND THAT WE VOTE ON THIS, UH, CAN YOU, UH, JEREMY AND YOUR STAFF OVER HERE, TELL ME WHAT THE, UH, DOWNSIDE IS FOR YOUR STAFF TO NOT GET THIS APPROVED? I'D PROBABLY RELY ON MIKE, IF I CAN TOUCH BASE ON ACTUALLY MULTIPLE QUESTIONS. BUT MR. ROSS FIRST, AND THEN IF ROBERT, I CAN GET TO YOURS. UM, WE, WE HAVE, THROUGH THE STRIKE TEAM HAVE SEEN, UH, CONTRACTORS COME FULL CIRCLE. THEY, THEY, THEY JOIN THE CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM. UH, THE CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM, IF YOU'RE NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH IT, IT HAS THREE CATEGORIES. ONE IS JUST THE REGISTRATION. IF YOU'RE A REGISTERED CONTRACTOR, YOU CAN COME IN AND LEARN ABOUT THE CODES. WE, WE TELL THE HISTORY OF THE CODES. WE SHARE THE ADOPTED CODES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WE GIVE THEM A COPY OF CHAPTER 10. UM, THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ESTABLISH RECORDS WITH THE CITY, HAVE PULLED PERMITS, UH, DON'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE, UM, UH, EITHER OPEN PERMITS OR ISSUES, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OF OBTAINING PERMITS. THEN THEY FIT THE CRITERIA FOR, UH, REGISTERED PLUS. AND THEN THOSE THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA PLUS HAVE A CERTIFICATION, UM, MEET THE CRITERIA, WHAT WE CALL, UM, PREMIER. AND WE'VE SEEN SOME THAT WERE INITIALLY, UH, CAUGHT BY THE STRIKE TEAM, UH, THAT WERE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE OF WORK THAT WAS BEING DONE HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE, RIGHT? THEY'VE COME TO US AND THEY SAID, HEY, I WANNA LEARN MORE ABOUT THE RESOURCES THAT THE CITY HAS. I WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE ADOPTED CODES. WHERE DO I GET A COPY OF THE ADOPTED CODE? UH, WE GIVE THEM CHAPTER 10, AND THEN THEY, THEY OBTAIN ALL OF OUR CLASSES. THEY ATTEND ALL OF OUR CLASSES, AND NOW THEY ARE PREMIER STATUS CONTRACTORS. UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST WITHIN THIS THREE YEAR PERIOD OF WHEN THE STRIKE TEAM WAS ESTABLISHED. SO WE'VE SEEN THE BENEFITS, RIGHT, OF, OF THAT PROGRAM. UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS AWARE OF THE PROGRAM. [01:10:01] UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST A LITTLE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE AND, AND WE USED TO HAVE THE HOME IMPROVEMENT, UH, ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ISSUING A LICENSE, RIGHT? THERE WAS AN EXAMINATION THAT THEY WOULD ADMINISTER AND THEN RECOMMEND TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, ALLOW THAT PERSON TO BE ABLE TO PULL PERMITS. UM, AND THEN T R C C CAME INVOLVED BACK FROM OH FOUR TO OH NINE, AND WE GOT RID OF THE HOME IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY BOARD. WE GOT RID OF THE TEST TAKING, UH, AND THEN IT JUST BECAME REGISTRATION. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE KNEW IT WAS VERY, UM, IT WAS A PERFECT, IT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION, WHICH IS LIKE WHAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, HOW TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER, HOW TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY, HOW TO IMPROVE PEOPLE, JUST GETTING FAMILIAR WITH THE ADOPTED CODES. AND THAT'S ALWAYS OUR GOAL, RIGHT? OUR GOAL IS TO HELP, YOU KNOW, BE A RESOURCE FOR CONTRACTORS, FOR HOME BUILDERS, UM, AND EVERYONE INVOLVED. SO FOR US, THAT IS WHAT OUR HOPE IS. AND HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, MR. HANLEY. IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WHETHER YOU'RE A HOME BUILDER, HOME CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT KNOW THAT WE'RE A RESOURCE, THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE TO HELP GUIDE YOU THROUGH YOUR PROCESS, THROUGH YOUR PROJECT. UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE I R C, YOU WANNA GET MORE FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF THE I CODES WE'RE THAT RESOURCE, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THE CITIZEN AND FOR HOMEOWNERS. SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I THINK, UM, YOU'RE TO BE COMMENDED, AS IS THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? AND, AND SO ANY COMMENTS I'VE MADE, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE WRONG WAY. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE BLESSED IN THE CITY WITH A REALLY STRONG DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S DONE A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE CITY. I COME BACK TO HOW DOES THIS CERTIFICATION CHANGE ANY OF THAT OR MAKE ANY OF IT BETTER? BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN A TIME WHEN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS A CRISIS. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE CRISIS OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE DO ON THIS COMMITTEE, AND THIS BOARD AFFECTS THAT. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT BEING VERY SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING MAKES SENSE AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN HAVE SOME VERY ASPIRATIONAL, UM, IDEAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING EVERYTHING BETTER, MAKING EVERYTHING BETTER, BUT THERE'S A COST TO EVERYTHING. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOLUTION WITHOUT TRADE OFF. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE DO THAT, SO ANYWAY, I, I GUESS I, I BEAT THAT DRUM TO DEATH. SO I, IS IT TIME TO, I I HAVE A FOLLOW UP IF YOU, IF YOU WILL. UH, SO IF I GET ALL THESE DIFFERENT TIERS, YOU KNOW, PREMIER OR PLUS, WHAT DOES THAT GET YOU? SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE PREMIER, THAT'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING THAT EVEN TO MARKET, YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY, THEY SAY, HEY, CAN I PUT THAT ON MY BUSINESS CARD? CAN I PUT THAT OUT? ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE THAT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE DIRECTLY ENGAGED WITH THE CITY. YOU HAVE A COPY OF CHINA. THAT MEANS YOU KNOW THE RULES, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS A, AS A REGISTERED CONTRACTOR IN THAT PREMIER STATUS. THAT MEANS YOU'RE ATTENDING SOME OF OUR MEETINGS, RIGHT? WHERE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE LATEST INFORMATION, MAYBE NEW INFORMATION BULLETINS, MAYBE THERE'S SOME NEW ORDINANCES THAT COME OUT. UM, WE'RE SHARING THIS. YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE TELL PEOPLE WE HAVE A GREAT WEBSITE, WHICH WE DO. BUT WE FOUND OUT THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE HESITANT TO WANT TO COME TO 1901 SOUTH ALAMO, WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T BE. WE ALL HAVE AN OPEN DOOR. WE WANNA BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND, AND SHARE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. UH, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS THOSE, UM, THAT WE ADMINISTER THE CODES. WE ENFORCE THE CODES, BUT WE'RE ALSO AN AMBASSADOR WHEN WE'RE EDUCATOR. UM, AND WE'RE TEACHING THAT TO ALL OF OUR NEW INSPECTORS AS WELL, IS YOU'RE NOT JUST THERE TO INSPECT WHEN THEY HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEY NEED OPTIONS. YOUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE 'EM THOSE OPTIONS OR SHOW 'EM EXACTLY HOW IN THE CODE THAT THEY CAN COMPLY. UH, GIVE THEM SOME, SOME OPTIONS TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE. SO, JEREMY, CAN I, SO THAT IF THAT WAS MANDATORY THAT YOU HAD TO DO THAT TO GET YOUR LICENSE DURATION, YOUR REGISTRATION, SORRY, VERSUS TAKING A CERTIFICATION TEST, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THINGS BETTER. I WOULD AGREE. YES, SIR. JACK MORE GOT A QUESTION HERE. SO I'VE BEEN REGISTERED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, SO I KNOW 40 YEARS I GUESS, OR WHATEVER, WHEREVER YOU STARTED. I TOOK SOME TESTS, WHAT BACK THERE IN T N R C C DAYS AND ALL THAT, WHICH IS FINE. IT WAS A PRETTY BASIC THING. BUT THIS PLUS THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, NEVER SEEN IT MEAN I'M JUST REGISTERED. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A PLUS OR A SORT OF GOOD OR WHATEVER THERE IS PREMIER. IT STILL, WE PARTICIPATED. YOU WHAT? WE, WE'VE GONE, I'VE GONE TO CLASSES. SO WAS, UH, LIZ, VICTOR, AND OUR STAFF BEFORE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, WE HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER COURSE AND TO MAINTAIN THAT PREMIER [01:15:01] STATUS AND YOU GOTTA WATCH THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS OF COURSE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING, WELL, WE BUILD SEVERAL HOMES, SO THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THERE AS WELL. BUT WE DO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, IN IT. UM, I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO BE REGISTERED AS WELL AS CERTIFIED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THIS DO TO OUR OPERATIONS OR OURSELVES? 'CAUSE WE WE'RE, WE'RE A MASS PRODUCTION BUILDER, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PART AND PIECE THROUGH OUR PUZZLE. YOU KNOW, IF, CAN ANYBODY ON THE STAFF TAKE THIS TEST OTHER THAN THE REGISTERED LICENSED PROFESSIONAL, HOW'S THIS GONNA WORK? I KNOW WHEN WE DID THE PREMIER, UH, WE HAVE AN ENGINEER ON STAFF, WE HAVE A LICENSE, UM, UH, REAL ESTATE INSPECTOR AS WELL ON STAFF. WILL THAT SUFFICE AS WELL? UM, YEAH, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEER OR, UH, ANY OTHER TYPES OF CERTIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, I, I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF VAGUE AT THIS POINT, WHICH IS KIND OF THE INTENT. I WANTED IT TO BE A DIALOGUE VERSUS HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA KEEP IT AS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE KIND OF LIKE A MINIMUM, HEY, HERE'S AUTOMATICS. IF YOU GOT THIS, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU GOT IT. BUT STILL KINDA LEAVE IT OPEN. IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE OF, HEY, HERE'S WHAT I GOT, WOULD THIS WORK? AND AT LEAST LET US VET IT AND SAY, YEAH, NO, IT WOULD, OR YOU KNOW WHAT, NO, IT WOULDN'T. UH, YOU KNOW, BUT HERE'S SOME OTHER OPTIONS YOU HAVE. WELL, YOU WOULD THINK THAT, UH, THAT THERE'S ALSO, I MEAN, IF YOU SAY, HEY, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 YEARS, BEEN REGISTERED FOR 20 YEARS NOW, YOU WANT ME TO TAKE ANOTHER TEST? I MEAN THAT, THAT IT IS ONE MORE THING THAT I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO. THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A PAIN. AND WE'RE GOING, WHY SHOULD I NEED TO TAKE, WHY DO I NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER CERTIFICATION? YOU KNOW? I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME GRANDFATHERING OF SOME SORT, OR THERE'S GOTTA BE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'S SO, IT'S SO VERY VAGUE THAT IT, I THINK IT'S IF TO EVERYBODY'S POINT, IT'S SUPPOSED TO PROTECT OR MAKE SOMETHING BETTER. BUT IT ALMOST PENALIZES A LOT OF US THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE PROFESSION FOR A LONG TIME THAT ARE REPUTABLE, THAT DO HAVE ALL THE, THE KNOW-HOW AND TO HAVE TO DO ONE MORE THING. I MEAN, IT'S A PAIN JUST TO GO GET, UH, GET MY F B I CHECK ALL THE TIME NOW. YEAH. BRIAN SMITH, I'M ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEW THAT WERE, THAT WE DID THE, UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THAT TEST GOING IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, I WAS ONE OF THE LAST ONES THAT WENT THROUGH 50 QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE THEY ALL KNEW ME, SO THEY HIT ME REAL HARD. , UH, I, I REMEMBER THAT SPECIFICALLY. AND I STUDIED TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE WHOLE CODE BOOK TO MAKE SURE I COULD GO THROUGH ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. BUT I, I HAVE A HARD TIME VOTING FOR THIS YET. I THINK WE NEED TO EITHER HAVE A, A MEETING AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE OF THE VAGUENESS. IF WE COULD INPUT SOME THINGS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY HOW MUCH, UH, CONTINUING EDUCATION. WHAT IS THOSE NUMBERS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO HERE FOR CERTIFICATIONS? I, I JUST THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO VOTE UPON THIS YET. I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA MOVING FORWARD. I I JUST FEEL THAT IF WE GET SOME MORE INFORMATION, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE VAGUE, WE'RE VERY CLEAR FOR ANY STAKEHOLDERS WE GO TO, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. OR THIS IS A TIER OR, OR, OR WHAT I, I JUST FEEL WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING SEPARATELY TO GO THROUGH IT TO FIGURE OUT FROM A BUILDING OFFICIAL, WHAT IS YOU FEEL, UM, APPROVED? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE FROM A CONTINUED EDUCATION? WHAT DO YOU FEEL THAT'S GONNA BE FEEL COMFORTABLE? I, I THINK IF THAT'S IN WRITING FROM THERE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO, WELL WAIT A SECOND. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M ALREADY BUSY AS IT IS. I IS THAT MOTION ? SO WE DON'T, NO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GOOD GUIDANCE. I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I THINK THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, NAME, NAME THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TABLE IT HERE. WE'LL ASK STAFF TO GO AND NAME THE CERTIFICATIONS AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE CERTIFICATIONS ARE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN CONTINUING CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH YOUR OWN WHAT CER WHAT'S NEED TO BE AND RE SOME OF THESE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YEAH. SO NAME, NAME SOME OF THE START TO GIVE US A STARTING POINT KNOWING THAT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO ACCEPTING MORE IF, IF THEY'RE APPROVED. CORRECT. BUT LET'S AT LEAST PUT THE ONES OUT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD TAKE. AND STAFF WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU COULD 'CAUSE THOSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO A SEARCH, BUT I MEAN, DEFINITELY ANYBODY ON AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE, IF THEY KNOW SOMETHING, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GIVE IT TO US. WE CAN DO THAT. STAFF CAN SEE IT. YES. IF THAT LOOKS GOOD, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING EVERY TWO YEARS. UM, AND THEN WE CAN COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND GO, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE TALKED WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS, THIS IS WHAT WE FEEL THAT'S GOING TO MAKE ENVIRONMENT BETTER WITHOUT OVERBEARING. UM, WELL, CORRECT. I MEAN, THIS IS WORTH SAYING THOUGH. I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, IF, I THINK WE SHOULD DECIDE CONCEPTUALLY IF WE THINK THIS IS A, A GOOD IDEA OR NOT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY STEP ONE BEFORE WE GET GET IN, MAYBE GET INTO THAT. I MEAN, AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT DETAIL TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT CONCEPTUALLY IT'S A GOOD IDEA. UH, WELL, CONCEPTUALLY IT'S, AND JUST, DO YOU WANT ME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AT ALL OR DO Y'ALL WANT TO JUST NO, THIS IS DEAD IN THE WATER. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT IT. WE [01:20:01] DON'T WANNA HEAR ABOUT THIS ONCE AGAIN. 'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHY I LEFT IT VAGUE. I DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DO A WHOLE BUNCH AND, AND REALLY DEFINE IT WITH ONE WITHOUT, WITHOUT INDUSTRY BACKUP. I TALKED TO CHRISTIE, I TEXTED HER DURING THIS CONVERSATION. OKAY. YEAH. FOR, UH, UH, OUR EXECUTIVE OFFICER OVER AT CASSAVA. UH, SHE'S OKAY WITH IT. JUST SOME DETAILS. SO THAT'S WHAT JUST WANTED TO GET, THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. WANTED TO START WITH THE COMMITTEE LEVEL. UH, LIKE I SAID, ULTIMATELY A LOT OF THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING TO THE REGISTRATION ACROSS THE BOARD AND Y'ALL, YOU WEREN'T HERE ORIGINALLY, SO WE'RE KIND OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR THE NO, THAT'S FINE. UH, MOSTLY JUST BACKGROUND. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS FROM THE M E P, UM, ALL THE REGISTRATIONS, MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL WITH THE COMMITTEES AND THEN GOING TO PRESENT THE WHOLE THING TO THE FULL BOARD. SO IT KINDA LIKE, HERE'S ALL THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING TO REGISTRATION, UH, FOR EVERYBODY. AND THAT'S WHERE WE YEAH, DEFINITELY. THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA CODIFY AND WE'LL GIVE EVERYBODY PLENTY OF TIME. WE'LL TRY TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK. I WANTED THIS TO BE MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL, JUST SIT DOWN WITH A COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S WHY I ENCOURAGED THE, THE CASABA MEMBERS TO BE HERE TO KIND OF LIKE, NO, THIS IS NOT A GO. WE DON'T EVEN WANNA GO DOWN THIS OR NOT. SO, SO MAYBE, I THINK, I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE IF WE DID HAVE A VOTE UP AND DOWN ON WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD THINK CONCEPTUALLY THIS IS WORTH STAFF'S TIME TO PURSUE. I THINK, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WORTH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE, WHETHER AN OFFICIAL VOTE OR JUST KIND OF A OKAY. UH, LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHAIR ON THAT. SO, UM, AND I, WE DON'T NEED TO DO A MOTION. I MEAN, SO I GUESS I'LL PRESENT IT THIS WAY AND, AND IT'S, IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO THE FULL BOARD TO, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. OR I GUESS WITH THE INTERMEDIATE STEP OF STAFF COMING OUT AND GIVING US SOME DETAIL ABOUT WHAT IT MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT LOOK LIKE. SO WHO, WHO WANTS TO HAVE A CERTIFICATION FOR A REGISTRATION FOR A NEW HOME BUILDER? RAISE YOUR HAND OR AT LEAST CONTINUE LOOKING INTO IT. YEAH, YEAH. OR MORE INFORMATION WORTH LOOKING AT IT. SO THAT'S THREE. OKAY. WHO DOESN'T WANT THAT? WHO THINKS WE SHOULD JUST KILL IT? JOE, MARK, MYSELF. WELL, MARK DOESN'T COUNT BRIAN. AND I MEAN, YOU COUNT, YOU, YOU COUNT MARK, BUT, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, THE WAY MIKE, THE WAY THIS WHOLE THING IS PRESENTED, I, I DON'T, I DON'T LIKE IT, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THIS, THIS PRESENT PRESENTATION OF HOW IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT WAS HERE CONCRETE THAT WE COULD SAY, HEY, THIS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT'S SO VAGUE THAT IT JUST, THERE'S TOO MANY LOOP, TOO MANY OPEN. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT EM TO COME BACK WITH MORE DETAIL OR DO YOU THINK IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH LOOKING INTO AND JUST KILL IT, KILL IT DEAD? I MEAN, DO, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE INDUSTRY COULD USE HAVING SOME FORM OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE THE RETROACTIVE VERSUS PROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KINDA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND IT MIGHT BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TYPE THING. LET'S, SO I, I, I THINK BEFORE WE CAN SAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I, I THINK IF WE COULD HAVE A, A MEETING SEPARATE AND THEN BRING IT TO WHETHER WE DO OR NOT, I, I, I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THERE'S GONNA BE ENOUGH STUFF FROM STAFF THAT WILL ACCEPT SOME, SOME OF THE THINGS AS FAR AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN GOOD, YOU KNOW, STANDING FOR A WHILE, UM, MAYBE THEY ARE GRANDFATHERED TYPE OF THING. UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY'S UNDER 10 YEARS OR SO THAT'S BEEN DOING IT. YEAH, THEY NEED TO DO THIS AND THAT PROCESS AND, AND GET THAT GOING. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS TO SEE WHETHER IT'S ACCEPTABLE THAT I THINK RIGHT NOW I JUST, IT'S NOT HERE YET. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD OR THE COMMITTEE WANTS STAFF TO DO MORE WORK AND COME BACK AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN AFTER, AFTER, WITH, WITH SOME MORE DETAIL BUILT INTO IT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THE SECOND THOUGHT, THOUGHT PROCESS, . UH, SO ONE QUESTION STAFF ASK GO AHEAD, MARK. ADD, CAN THEY ADD THOUGH, INSTEAD OF CERTIFICATION, FIND SOME OTHER KIND OF WORD? BECAUSE CERTIFICATION IMPLIES COMPETENCE AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S COMPETENCE WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT I THINK SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING THROUGH ALL THE COURSES, THAT SHOULD ALSO QUALIFY IN LIEU OF HAVING TO TAKE SOME TESTS, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU'RE AT THE PREMIER STATUS AND YOU'RE DOING EVERYTHING YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND YOU REACH THAT STATUS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT FIRST YEAH. IS A DETAILED, SO THE QUESTION ON THE MEETING ARE, WERE WE LOOKING FOR A COMMITTEE MEETING OR AN INDUSTRY MEETING? STAKEHOLDER TYPE MEETING FIRST. OKAY. WOULD BE LIKE A STAKEHOLDER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT, YEAH, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DEFINITELY TO BUILD OUT. CORRECT. EXACTLY. YEAH. UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, AND I CAN BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE, THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING, WE FIND OUT, NO, WE'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT IF WE COME, I THINK WE'VE COME WITH SOME MULTIPLE THINGS, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE. OKAY. SO I THINK, SO I'LL SAY THIS INTO THE MIC. THE IDEA THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTS STAFF TO DO IS HAVE A STAKEHOLDER MEETING, COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE THOUGHTS, BUILD OUT WITH THE STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE AND WE'LL, AND WE'LL REVISIT IT. YEAH. EVERYBODY NODDING YES. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. ALRIGHT, SO JUST SO THAT WE CAN TABLE THAT ON AN AGENDA, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'RE TECHNICALLY FINISHED WITH THE I R C, BUT WE STILL HAVE, UH, THREE MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR THE I F C. UH, STAFF WON'T BE READY FOR NEXT WEEK, SO WE'LL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THE COMMITTEE IF THEY WANT TO SHOW UP NEXT WEEK FOR THIS. I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE READY. SO, UH, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE PUT WITH AN I F C SECTION? WE CAN SET IT UP AS FAR AS YEAH, WE'LL, OKAY. UH, THERE'S MORE. I JUST THINK, YEAH, CORRECT. YEAH, I'M SORRY. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS, [01:25:01] BUT OKAY. CAN WE JUST TAKE A BREAK REAL QUICK THEN? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UM, A LITTLE BIOLOGY BREAK, WE'LL, OR WHATEVER KIND OF BREAK. UM, I, I'M GONNA USE A BIOLOGY BREAK, UH, WE'LL CALL IT 10 MINUTES. UH, TWO 50. YEP, YOU'RE THE CHAIR. ALRIGHT. 10 MINUTE BREAK. I THINK, UH, WE'RE READY TO GET READY TO GET BACK TO WORK. I CAN GET, YEAH, I THINK IF YOU JUST WANNA CALL US IN ORDER AGAIN, THAT'D BE THE OFFICIAL ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL US BACK TO ORDER. . . THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. UM, SO WE'RE STILL ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UH, WHICH, UH, AND SO , WE DO HAVE A COUPLE CAME, CAME IN. SO WHAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS REGISTRATION OF HOME BUILDERS AND HOME IMPROVEMENT, UM, CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION. WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS SPECIFIC ITEM RIGHT NOW, WHICH, UH, I THINK, UH, WHAT, WHAT COMMITTEE OR HOW STAFF IS TAKING FROM THE COMMITTEE IS, IT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN AT LEAST LOOK AT, VETTED A LITTLE BIT MORE, ASK STAFF TO, UH, DO SOME, DO SOME MORE RESEARCH, PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, MEAT INTO IT, I GUESS ON CO CODIFICATION APPROACH. UH, BUT ALSO DO THAT THROUGH A STAKEHOLDER MEETING. UH, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS TRY TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME STAKEHOLDER FROM BOTH NEW BUILDERS, REMODELS ORGANIZATIONS AND PRESENT THAT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE GOING TO THE FULL BOARD IS KIND OF OUR INTENT RIGHT NOW WITH THIS ITEM RIGHT HERE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT MATCHES THE COM, THE INTENT OF THE COMMITTEE. AND I, AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT, THAT MAYBE YOU LOOK INTO WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR BACKGROUND WORK, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO KAREN'S POINT ABOUT IT BEING A BAD ACTOR KIND. NO, EXACTLY. WE DEFINITELY, THAT'S DEFINITELY, THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AND IT'S A VALID POINT. IT IS SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO, UH, MR. ROSS'S IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT JUST A CERTIFICATION, IS IT SOME FORM OF MINIMAL, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING OF AT LEAST OF THE CODE PERMITTING PROCESS, INSPECTION PROCESS, UH, WHICH IS REALLY AS, UH, SAYING WE KINDA HAVE TO THE CONTRACTOR CONNECT, BUT EXPAND THAT AND MAYBE CODIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. OKAY. SO DO WE NEED TO GO BACK TO ITEM? OH, I THINK SO ITEM NUMBER THREE HERE, THINK SO TECHNICALLY, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMITTEE. WE DO HAVE NEW THE, THEY WEREN'T HERE FOR THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH WAS IMPACTING THE HOME IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO REVISIT THAT. THE, THE HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION OF 400 SQUARE FEET, SINCE WE HAVE TWO NEW COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA REVISIT THAT. WELL, THE, THE, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA BRING IT UP ON THE SLIDE AND BASICALLY IT'S A, IT'S A DEFINITION, UM, CLEANUP FOR THE 400 TO BE 300. YEAH. WE CHANGED TO 300 IS WHAT WE WANNA DO. SO IT MATCHES PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. SO IF YOU BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE THAT'S OVER 300, YOU HAVE TO PULL THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO BE ED TO GO GOOD WITH THAT. SO, ALRIGHT, GOOD. SO, UH, SO THIS KINDA GOES BACK TO, SO THIS IS THE DEFINITION OF A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR. UM, AND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT IS BUILT INTO THAT DEFINITION IS AN ADDITION. AND REALLY HOW WE PROCESS IT NOW, WE REALLY WOULDN'T GIVE A PERMIT TO A HOME, UM, IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR FOR AN ADDITION. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY WE LOOK AT THAT AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE A HOME BUILDER. UH, NOW IF THIS DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS, IS A FEE DIFFERENCE. UH, BUT WE, OUR GOAL IS TO REMOVE OR ADDITION AND JUST KEEP IT TO WORKING ON AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND NOT INCREASING THE SIZE OF IT AND NOT BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE. AS FOR A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR THAT INCLUDE LIKE CLOSING, I DON'T KNOW, UH, ELI, WHAT WOULD, YEAH, WOULD WE FALL UNDER THAT FOR HOME IMPROVEMENT? WOULD THAT BE AN ADDITION? I MEAN, ENCLOSURE WOULD BE A HOME IMPROVEMENT WOULD NOT BE A, I THINK WE'RE, YEAH, I I THINK STEVE AGREES WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, FOUNDATION, CORRECT. YEAH, BUT MY CONCERN IS IN HERE, SORRY, JUST LOOKING AT IT. CARPORTS ARE STRUCTURAL, DO HAVE FOUNDATION HERE, DO HAVE FRAMING. YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT KIND OF CARPORT YOU'RE DOING. DID A PORT IN AN AQUA SPRINGS QUITE A LOT OF ENGINEERING BECAUSE CONCRETE METAL ROOF AND THE WIND SHEARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MY CONCERN WOULD BE CARDBOARDS DEFINE WHAT KIND OF CARDBOARD, IF IT'S A STRUCTURAL CARDBOARD, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE A HOME IMPROVEMENT. REPLACEMENT. OKAY. BECAUSE IT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE STRUCTURAL. OKAY. I MEAN, YEAH, I GUESS STAFF WOULD WE, IS SHOULD THAT BE MY CONSTANTINO CITY STAFF? WE WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU, YOU NEED ENGINEER. THAT PERSON NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO KNOW LIKE THE FOUNDATIONAL ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, FRAMING AS FAR AS YOUR BEAMS, AS FAR AS YOUR POSTS, WHAT KIND OF SPAN DO YOU HAVE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE WANT THIS TO BE, WE, WE WANNA WORD THIS IN A WAY THAT WE MOVE A LOT OF THE STRUCTURAL ITEMS INTO HOME BUILDER AND NOT HOME IMPROVEMENT. CAN I ASK ONE MORE IN THERE? OH YEAH, PLEASE DO. AND WE'LL GO BACK AND SOMETHING AS WELL. I BUILD THEM STRUCTURALLY YOU HAVE TO MAKE SHAKING AND THE ENGINEERING AND THE REBAR HOW IT'S TIED IN YOUR PLUMBING BUILDING AN ADDITION. WHY? YEAH. NO, WELL, NO, THIS [01:30:01] IS A REGISTRATION. SO IF YOU'RE A HOME IMPROVEMENT FOR THAT REGISTRATION FOR THAT CARPORTS OR FOR THE SWIMMING POOL WOULD'VE TO GO THE SAME TO HAVE THAT REGISTRATION. YEAH. UH, I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS BASED OFF THIS CONVERSATION, YOU BRING UP A LOT OF GOOD POINTS. I WOULD THINK THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TABLE THIS BASED OFF OF STILL KIND OF WHY WE TABLED IT THE FIRST TIME OF IF THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING A HOME IMPROVEMENT BEYOND JUST THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T ADD SOME FORM OF CERTIFICATION OR SOMETHING. WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING REGISTERED FOR THIS AND THE OTHER, UH, THE HOME BUILDER IS THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE IT. IF WE DO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE MIGHT TABLE THIS. THAT'S WHAT YEAH, I THINK MAYBE WE TABLE CHANGING THIS DEFINITION UNTIL WE SEE IF WE ARE REALLY GONNA MAKE IT A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. BUT, BUT IF YOU CAN ADD THAT, SO YEAH, DEFINITELY. NO, YOU'RE BRINGING UP SOME GOOD POINTS BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR INTENT IS IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS, THIS IS THE REASON BEING YEAH. TO HIT THOSE PEOPLE THAT, THAT WILL AFFECT YOU. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. SO IF, IF COMMITTEE'S OKAY WITH THAT, I, I'M THINKING I'M YEAH. GONNA KIND OF TABLE CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF A HOME IMPROVEMENT YEP. VERSUS, OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY TAKING AWAY FROM THIS AGENDA ITEM, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS ONE. I THINK WE CAN EASILY JUST KIND OF COME BACK. UH, BUT WE'RE CHANGING, UH, 400 TO 300 AND WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AT THE COMMITTEE AT THE SAME TIME WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL REGISTRATION OF, OKAY. UH, SO REALLY I THINK THAT CONCLUDES AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AT THIS TIME. UH, THE LAST ONE, UH, ONCE AGAIN, UH, LET'S SEE. SAME THING WE'VE BEEN DOING. UH, SO WE, WELL, THE LAST REGISTRATION, I'M JUST, IT'S, IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT IF THERE'S ANYTHING FROM THE COMMITTEE. UH, STAFF DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION ON CHANGING ANYTHING BEYOND CLERICAL WHEN IT COMES TO THE REGISTRATION OF REGISTERED HOUSE MOVERS, WHICH WE HAVE ONE AND DEMOLITION CONTRACT REGISTRATIONS, WHICH WE HAVE ABOUT 50. UH, THE ONLY THING WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS MORE CLERICAL. UM, THIS, I MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, I'M NOT SURE, I THINK Y'ALL ARE PART OF SOME OTHER COMMITTEES WE HAD WHERE JUST LIKE WITH MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, UH, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS TRY TO CONDENSE CHAPTER 10. SO A LOT OF REPETITIVE STUFF THAT'S UNDER EVERY SINGLE SINGLE TYPE OF REGISTRATION. WE'RE GONNA CREATE A NEW SECTION THAT PUTS ALL THE REPETITIVE STUFF FOR EVERY TYPE OF REGISTRATION, INCLUDING REVOCATION AND SUSPENSION AND, AND ENFORCEMENT OF THOSE REGISTRATIONS INTO ONE SECTION. SO THE REALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE IS WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING. WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ADDING CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE REGISTRATIONS. WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE SOME OF THAT CLERICAL STUFF AND MOVE IT TO A DIFFERENT SECTION SO WE BRING IT UP TO LET Y'ALL KNOW. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S KIND OF AN ACTION ITEM FROM Y'ALL. THAT WOULD BE MORE THE FINAL CHAPTER 10 VERSION THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, WHEN WE MEET AFTER THIS COMMITTEE MEETINGS. OKAY. SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY ITEMS IN REGARDS TO THOSE REGISTRATIONS THAT Y'ALL WANNA BRING UP, THAT'S KIND OF IT. IS IS THERE A DEFINITION OF DEMO DEMOLITION CONTRACT? UH, YEAH, WE SHOULD HAVE ONE. UH, CRYSTAL, I'M NOT SURE. CAN YOU BRING UP AN INDIVIDUAL OR COMPANY OR PARTNERSHIP DOING THE WORK OF DEMOLITION FOR PAYMENT? SO DOING THE WORK. SO IF YOU HAVE A GENERAL CON, LIKE A GENERAL LABOR CONTRACTOR THAT YOU WANT 'EM TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN, THEY HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR. NO, I THINK, UM, IF YOU'RE A HOME IMPROVEMENT OR A HOME BUILDER, I THINK YOU MIGHT FALL. THIS WOULD BE, IF YOU ONLY WANNA DO THAT, THEN THERE'D REGISTRATION FOR THAT BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF SOMEBODY WHO'S DO DOES THE WORK, I THINK CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE. THERE IS A LIST OF EXCEPTIONS, UH, CHAIRMAN, UH, UNDER, UH, DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION. AND IF YOU EXCEPTIONS, OUR PERSON WHO DEMOLISHES A FENCE SIX FEET OR LESS THAN HEIGHT, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT ABOVE GROUND SWIMMING POOL, SIDEWALKS, DRIVEWAYS DECKS, OIL DERRICKS SHADE CLOTH STRUCTURES OR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL SHEDS LESS THAN 300 SQUARE FEET AND SIMILAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. NO, I, I, I READ THAT. UM, BUT THE DEFINITION OF A DEMO, DEMOLITION CONTRACTING BUSINESS IS SOMEBODY WHO DOES, DOES THE WORK. AND SO A HOMEOWNER MAY, I MIGHT BE A HOMEOWNER, BUT UNLESS I'M OUT THERE WITH THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SLEDGEHAMMER MYSELF, IF I HAD HIRE SOMEBODY TO HELP ME, QUOTE UNQUOTE DO THE WORK, THEY ACCORDING TO THE DEFINITIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE A DEMOLITION CONTRACTOR OR A REGISTERED, IT'S A PROPERTY OWNER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT. IF I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT I HIRE SOMEBODY TO HELP ME DO IT. I MEAN, YOU BEING OUT THERE SUPERVISING AND DOING THE WORK AND JUST ASKING A LABORER TO COME HELP OUT OR ACTUALLY JUST CONTRACT SOMEBODY OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, I'M SURE WE COME ACROSS THAT PLENTY OF TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOME HOMEOWNERS THAT DO THEIR OWN WORK, THAT WHEN IT'S ALLOWED AND APPROVED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO OUT AND ENFORCE AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A LABORER HELPING YOU. OR, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT'S YOUR HOME AND UNDER YOUR SUPERVISION, I THINK THAT STILL MEETS THE INTENT OF THE HOMEOWNER DOING THE WORK. SO IF I'M A HOMEOWNER AND I'M X Y, Z L L C AND I OWN THE HOME AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I OWN IT FOR PURPOSES OF RENTING IT OUT, THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL AND UH, AND, AND THERE AND THERE'S A, AND THERE'S A, A FIRE IN THE BUILDING AND I NEED TO, TO TEAR IT DOWN, FINISH TEARING IT DOWN, AND I JUST HAVE A GROUP OF LABORERS, YOU KNOW, CAN I PULL THE PERMIT TO DO THAT? [01:35:02] I MEAN, I GUESS THERE'S A GRAY, I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF GRAY AREA. I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN QUITE THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE SAYING, LOOKING AT ME AND SAYING, YEAH, I COULD PULL THE PERMIT FOR THAT, THEN I'M GOOD. THANK YOU . OKAY. YEAH, AS LONG AS IT'S HYPOTHETICAL PERSON, I'M RECORDING. SO PERFORM BY THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH PROOF MOTION. I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA BE SLINGING. NO, THAT'S, YEAH. UH, BUT I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I MEAN THERE AS, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GET TOO FAR OUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A STAFF'S PRESENTATION IN REGARDS TO THIS AGENDA ITEM AND REALLY WANTED TO GIVE IT AN OPEN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY THAT WAS REGISTERED OR APPROVES ANYTHING FROM YOU. I, I HAVE ONE MORE. YES SIR. PLEASE. AND I SENT, I SENT CRYSTAL, SO MAYBE YOU CAN CIRCULATE THAT TO THE COMMITTEE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ADD SOME LANGUAGE INSTEAD OF, UH, ADDING TO THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECK OR OTHER MEANS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR OR SOMETHING TO ALLOW FOR SOME USE OF TECHNOLOGY RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO EVERY YEAR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET FINGERPRINTED AND PAY MONEY TO SEND IT OFF TO THE F B I. THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGY MEANS NOW THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, UH, GET BACKGROUND CHECKS AS WELL AS THE F B I HAS SOME SYSTEM WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE BACKGROUND CHECK ONCE AND THEN KEEP A FLAG ON THAT RECORD THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, THAT REC THAT PERSON'S RECORD AND ANYTHING THAT COMES THERE, THEY AUTOMATICALLY NOTIFY YOU. SO YOU'RE GONNA KNOW ACTUALLY QUICKER THAN YOU WOULD IF, UH, THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THE TEXAS REAL ESTATE COMMISSION HAS JUST INSTITUTED. AND SO IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IF WE CAN DO IT CORRECT. AND BACKWARD, YOU SAID IF IT'S GOOD ENOUGH, THE TEXAS REAL ESTATE COMMISSION USED TO MAKE YOU, THEY, THEY FINGERPRINTED YOU ONCE THEY KEPT YOUR INFORMATION, THEY SENT IT, YOU HAD TO PAY LIKE $200 OR WHATEVER IT $150, WHATEVER IT IS. THEY WOULD SEND IT UP EVERY TWO YEARS WHEN YOU GOT LICENSED THE F B I F B I WOULD SEND IT BACK. THERE'S A NEW SYSTEM THAT THE F B I CREATED THAT THEY WILL NOTIFY IF YOU FLAG THAT PERSON'S NAME AND FINGERPRINTS, THEY WILL NOTIFY YOU OF THAT, OF THE CITY WHERE YOU WOULD NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER HAVE TO GO DO THAT AGAIN. RIGHT. AND I, AND I THINK, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME LANGUAGE ADDED THAT IT SAYS F B I BACKGROUND CHECK OR OTHER MEANS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR, WHICH MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHER LICENSE THAT YOU ARE, YOU GET EVERY TWO YEARS LIKE A REAL ESTATE LICENSE WHERE THEY DO THIS CHECK OR GLOBAL ENTRY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THERE CAN BE SUBSTITUTE MEANS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU, THAT, UH, CITY THE STAFF WILL LOOK INTO. CORRECT. YEAH. SO, UM, WHAT WE HAVE THE BACKGROUND CHECK IS ONCE AGAIN, KINDA MORE OF A VAGUE, BUT IT'S CODIFIED IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURAL IS MORE OF AN INTERNAL THING. AND DEFINITELY, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, MR. ROSS'S DOCUMENTATION, WE'VE SENT IT TO ACCOUNT OR TO LEGAL TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. AND I, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS STAFF WE, YOU KNOW, ONE THAT WOULD LIMIT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THE REVIEW PROCESS IF IT'S KIND OF ONE DONE AND THEN WE JUST WAIT ON INFORMATION COMING TO US WHEN IT IS MORE PROACTIVE VERSUS WAITING FOR A TWO YEAR, UH, RENEWAL PROCESS. UH, I I DON'T THINK WE'RE AGAINST ANYTHING THAT HELPS THE PROCESS FOR EVERYBODY, BOTH US AND THE CONTRACTORS, UH, BEING REGISTERED. UM, YOU KNOW, SO CORRECT. YEAH, AND I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING MR. LAOS SAID BROUGHT UP AS WELL ON, ON TRYING TO UM, YOU KNOW, AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE AN INTERNAL PROCESS, BUT DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, IF Y'ALL, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT, WE DEFINITELY WANNA HEAR IT AND WE CAN ADJUST, YOU KNOW, INTERNAL PROCESSES FROM RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CODIFIED FOR THAT. I MEAN WE'RE DEFINITELY HERE TO, YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE THE INTENT OF WHAT EVERYBODY AGREED. ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT'S IT. JUST GOT THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT REAL FAST, WHICH IS, I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH FOR THE VIEWS, UH, VIEWERS AT HOME. I THINK WE CAN LEAVE THIS UP FOR THEM. UH, SO THIS IS THE WEBSITE. IF THEY WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION, UH, IF THEY WANTED TO REVIEW THE, THE VIDEOS, THEY CAN FIND THAT OFF OUR D S T WEBSITE AS WELL BOARDS AND MEETING VIDEOS. AND IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING ANY ITEMS UP TO UH, THE COMMITTEE, THEY CAN SEND IT TO US AT THE B R F C AAB B@SANANTONIO.GOV. UH, THE LAST ITEM I WOULD SAY, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, I HAVE ONE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE END. YES SIR, GO AHEAD MARK. [01:40:01] I WAS SUPPOSED TO BRING UP, UH, THE APARTMENT IN THE RENTAL HOUSING INDUSTRY WOULD, LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE IS A GENERAL MAINTENANCE PERMIT FOR R TWO FOR MECHANICAL AND FOR UH, PLUMBING. AND WE WOULD LIKE, UH, THAT TO BE AN OPTIONAL PERMIT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RENTALS ALSO. AND SO I WANTED TO JUST FLOAT THAT IDEA. RIGHT NOW IT'S MANDATORY FOR, UH, BASICALLY ALL MULTI-FAMILY AND NOT AVAILABLE TO OTHER KIND OF RENTAL PROPERTY. AND I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE AVAILABLE TO ALL KINDS OF RENTAL PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WHERE YOU CAN HAVE ONE PERMIT, KEEP THE LOG AND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO PULL A PERMIT TO REPLACE THE TOILET OR DO THAT ANYWAY. AND THIS WAY IT WOULD LEAST GIVE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO TRACK THAT STUFF THROUGH THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. OKAY. YEAH, NO, I THINK WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO VETTING THAT AND PRESENTING SOME CODIFICATION OF THAT PROCESS TO THIS COMMITTEE. UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I, I MEAN I THINK WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE TABLED FOR, FOR THIS SECTION. UM, MORE OF A CHAPTER 10 REGISTRATION PROCESS AND PERMITTING PROCESS. NOT REALLY THE I R C ITSELF, BUT I THINK IT FALLS UNDER THAT, THAT SAME INTENT 'CAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAD THREE WEEKS SCHEDULED FOR THIS. WE ACTUALLY FINISHED THIS WHOLE PROCESS OR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVIEW OF THE I R C BEFORE THAT THREE WEEKS EVEN STARTED. UH, WE DIDN'T MEET LAST WEEK BECAUSE THAT WE HADN'T MOVED THROUGH SO MUCH STUFF AND WE HAVE ONE MORE WEEK SCHEDULED FOR THE I R C, WHICH IS NEXT WEEK. AFTER THAT. WE STILL HAVE, UH, THREE WEEKS WITH THIS COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE. UH, SPOKE WITH THEIR, UH, TEAM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL DOING, UH, SOME INTERNAL PROCESSING REVIEWS. UH, THEY, THEY HAD SOME TURNOVER, UH, WITH SOME OF THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, UH, IN THE SENSE OF TRYING TO GET AHEAD. SO WHEN I, THEY'RE NOT BEHIND FOR THE ORIGINAL THREE, UH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE, HEY, IS THERE ANY, YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH TO MAYBE PRESENT NEXT WEEK AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE US MORE THAN JUST 20 MINUTES OF SITTING DOWN AND TALKING AND, UH, SO AT THIS POINT THEY DID NOT. UH, SO MY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PRESENT I F C NEXT WEEK. THESE TWO ITEMS THAT I THINK WE'VE KINDA HAD TABLED, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE READY TO DISCUSS NEXT WEEK AS WELL. UH, SO I DON'T THINK STAFF HAS ANYTHING TO PRESENT AT THIS TIME TO THE COMMITTEE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FOR OUR CURRENTLY SCHEDULED MEETING AT ONE O'CLOCK ON THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK. SO THE 28TH IS CANCELED IF THE COMMITTEE MOVES FORWARD? YES, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WAS GONNA SEE IF Y'ALL WOULD CANCEL THAT FOR ME. . YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD CANCEL IT. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, , IF Y'ALL WANT BE HERE, I WILL BE HERE FOR Y'ALL. NO THEY HAVEN'T. THEY, HE WASN'T GOOD LIKE LAST TIME AND DIDN'T BRING REFRESHMENTS SO WE'RE NOT COMING AGAIN. I'M ALWAYS BEHIND IT. IT WAS ON THE SCHEDULES MAKING, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE BEGINNING. SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE FIRST WEEK OF THE THREE WEEKS OF I F C REVIEW. UM, SO WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE ALL THE TIME THAT IT NEEDS. WE'LL KIND OF VET AND SEE HOW THAT'S GOING AFTER THE FIRST TWO WEEKS. STAFF WILL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ON THESE TWO ITEMS. UH, I THINK, I THINK THE ONE THAT MR. ROSS BROUGHT UP, WE COULD DEFINITELY HAVE READY AND TO REVIEW. I THINK THIS, UH, CONTRACTOR REGISTRAR, UH, CON, UM, CERTIFICATION PROCESS. THANK YOU . UM, OR SOME VERSION OF THAT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. BUT I THINK STAFF'S GOAL IS TO NOT PUSH FULL BOARD MEETINGS, UH, BACK ANY, WHICH WE'RE AIMING FOR LATE JUNE, EARLY JULY, SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME. UM, SO WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO IS WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THESE MEETINGS. WE WANT TO, I, I ASSUME IT'S GONNA TAKE AT LEAST TWO STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. MAYBE WE CAN GET IT DONE IN ONE, I THINK. GET THAT ONE. OKAY. WELL THEN, UH, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE WEEKS. SO MAYBE IF THERE'S ROOM IN THOSE THREE MEETINGS WE ALREADY HAVE SCHEDULED FOR THE FI UH, FIRE CODE, WE CAN MEET ON THAT AND MAYBE DISCUSS THAT ONE MORE TIME. I WOULD ASSUME IT'S GONNA AT LEAST TAKE ANOTHER HOUR, IF NOT MORE. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SHORTING THE FIRE CODE, BUT IF WE CAN DO THAT WITH THIS COMMITTEE'S THREE SCHEDULED MEETINGS, I'M GONNA TRY FOR THAT. UH, IF NOT, THEN WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK INTO ADDING A MEETING. WE, WE STILL HAVE ABOUT, UM, THREE OR FOUR WEEKS OF THE ENERGY CODE AFTER THAT, WHICH I DO KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT FALL INTO THAT. SO I'M, I'M, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE SIGN CODE, WHICH I KNOW WE HAVE SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THAT. WELL, OKAY. . SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS, UH, COMING INTO THAT. BUT, SO WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN FIT IT IN WITH THOSE THREE THAT ARE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THIS COMMITTEE. IF NOT, THEN WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO, IF THE COMMITTEE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS WE WANNA BRING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE AND NOT FOR THE FULL BOARD BEFORE WE VET IT. SO, UH, WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. WE, IF WE NEED TO ADD A COMMITTEE MEETING, WE'LL DO, WE'LL MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IN THREE WEEKS, UH, WHICH WILL BE THE SECOND WEEK OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, UM, REVIEW. BUT IF THEY'RE MOVING ALONG REALLY FAST, [01:45:01] STAFF WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE READY FOR THAT FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW TO PRESENT THOSE CHANGES AND TRY TO GET IT ALL DONE IN THE THREE MEETINGS WE HAVE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED. I DO WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT WE, UM, I THINK IT'S BEST TO BRING UP, UM, THE ISSUE REGARDING THE MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING MAINTENANCE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS TO THE FULL BOARD WHERE WE HAVE THOSE THAT'S TRUE. THOSE LICENSE PROFESSIONALS. SO THAT WE MIGHT IF, YEAH. UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY . YEAH, I MEAN I WAS JUST GIVING EVERYBODY A HEADS UP. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS, OKAY. NO, THAT MEANS UP. YEAH, THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO GET WRITTEN BEFORE YOU TAKE IT TO ANYBODY. 'CAUSE IT, IT'S COMPLICATED BUT YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY GOOD. IT'S ALREADY EXISTS. IT'S NOT, YOU'RE JUST EXPANDING TO WHO CAN GET IT AND IT'S NOT TAKING ANY WORK AWAY FROM ANYBODY THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY DOING IT. OKAY. PERFECT. ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COMMITTEE? WE STAND ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK Y'ALL. SEE Y'ALL IN TWO WEEKS. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.