* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:10:40] ALL [00:10:41] RIGHTY. [00:10:44] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING. I'M JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ENGINEER FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND ALSO THE BOARD LIAISON OF THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS MORNING. TODAY IS APRIL 22ND, 2022. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT EIGHT 40 TO START THIS COMMITTEE MEETING. THIS IS A SIGN CODE COMMITTEE OF THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD TO DISCUSS CHAPTER 28 SIGNS AND BILLBOARD ORDINANCE UPDATES. WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH A BRIEF INTERPRETATION VIDEO. WELL, ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL TO CHECK FOR QUORUM. ADRIAN CONTES. MICHAEL RUST, MARK ROSS. HERE. LIDDEL TOY. HERE. PETE LEY. HERE. JACK TMORE HERE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, THREE OUTTA THE FOUR MEMBERS TO HIT QUORUM. UH, JUST IN, IN THE VOTE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE LIDDELL AND HIS ALTERNATE PETE SETTER LEE HERE. PETE CAN BE PART OF ALL CONVERSATIONS, BUT ANY OPEN VOTE GOES TO LIDDELL AND JEREMY, MIKE AND I ARE SWITCHING PRIMARY TO ALTERNATE. OKAY. UH, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO DO A VOTE. IT'S NOT ON THE OFFICIAL AGENDA, BUT WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM THAT DISCUSSES ADDING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND WE DO HAVE JOE VALLE. I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT AS A PART OF A MOTION OF THAT, SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, SO JUST FOR THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING A WHOLE LOT. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE COMMITTEE AND EVERYBODY PRESENT CURRENTLY HAS ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT WE ALSO, WE ARE RECORDING THIS. UH, WE HAVE IT BROADCASTED LIVE. WE'RE RECORDING IT, AND, UH, ADDING AN INTERPRETATION. SO WE'LL HAVE BOTH A SPANISH TRANSLATION AND A, UH, NORMAL VERSION OR ORIGINAL VERSION ONLINE AFTER THIS MEETING IN ABOUT A WEEK. UH, SO WANTED REAL QUICK FOR ANYBODY THAT COMES IN AFTER THE FACT, THESE ARE THE DATES FOR THE PLANNED MEETINGS CURRENTLY. SO WE HAVE FIVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED. ALL OF THIS CAN BE FOUND ONLINE. I'LL GO OVER, UH, SOME WEBSITES FOR THAT AS WELL. BUT, UH, THESE ARE THE CURRENT TIMES AND DATES FOR THE NEXT FOUR MEETINGS, INCLUDING TODAY'S MEETING. AND SO, UH, FOR INFORMATION OUT THERE, UH, THESE ARE THESE, AND ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK AND WATCH OF THE VIDEOS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GRAB THIS. BUT THIS IS ALL OFF OF OUR, UH, SAN ANTONIO.GOV/DSD WEBSITE. UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION ON WHAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED. UH, WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED ITEMS CURRENTLY BOTH STAFF AND EXTERNAL, THAT WILL, UH, HAVE THAT PUBLISHED ON THIS WEBSITE, UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK BEFORE WE START DISCUSSING IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. ALL THE RECORDINGS CAN BE FOUND HERE AT THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO D S D BOARD'S, MEETING VIDEOS, AND THEN ANY COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC OR COMMITTEE OR ANYBODY THAT'S, UM, INTERESTED IN HELPING OUT WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR PROVIDING COMMENTS IF THEY CAN'T BE HERE, UH, FOR THESE MEETINGS. BUT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENT WRITTEN INTO THE RECORD, THE SIGN CODE REVIEW@SANANTONIO.GOV. IF THEY EMAIL THAT, WE CAN ADD THAT AND WE'LL READ IT INTO THE RECORD FOR ANY COMMITTEE MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD. SO, ONE THING I WANTED TO GO OVER IS, WHAT IS THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD? UM, I KNOW BACK IN 2017, UH, THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OF A PROCESS, BUT THIS, THIS BOARD IS PART OF THAT. AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE INDUSTRY PROBABLY DOESN'T, ISN'T FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD IS. SO I WANNA DO A BRIEF, UH, SUMMARY FOR THAT, MOSTLY FOR OUR STAKEHOLDERS. SO UNDER SECTION 28, UM, 28 5 D ONE A, IT DISCUSSES THAT THE B R F C A B ACTS AS THE APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD FOR CHAPTER 28 ORDINANCES. SO WHAT THAT IS, IS ANY DECISION MADE BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL REGARDING CHAPTER 28, IF IT, IF THAT DECISION DOES, IS NOT IN AGREEABLE WITH, UH, WHOEVER'S ASKING FOR IT, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL, THEY WOULD APPEAL TO THAT, UH, ADVISORY BOARD, OR, I'M SORRY, THE APPEALS BOARD, WHICH IS, UH, THE B R F C A A B. UM, AND IT'S ALSO THE ROLE IS ADVISORY AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHERE, [00:15:01] UH, THIS COMMITTEE COMES IN. THIS COMMITTEE IS A SECTION OR A COMMITTEE OF THAT SUPER BOARD. ALL OF THIS, UH, THE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT BOARD IS FOUND UNDER CHAPTER 10. UH, CHAPTER 10 IS MOSTLY OUR BUILDING RELATED, UH, CODE UPDATES, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE I C C CODES. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DATING RIGHT NOW. UH, THE APPEALS IN IT ALSO COVERS CHAPTER 10, WHICH IS BUILDING RELATED CHAPTER 11, WHICH IS FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE APPEALS, UH, THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. AND THEN CHAPTER 28 IS COMPOSED OF 17 PRIMARY AND 17 ALTERNATE AT LARGE MEMBERS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR. AND I MISSPELLED THAT, SO I APOLOGIZE, . UH, SO JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, SO THIS IS A VERY TECHNICAL COMMITTEE. AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADOPTING BUILDING CODES AND STANDARDS THAT ARE USED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF, OF VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION. UH, U D C KIND OF OVERSEES A LOT OF THE HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE, THE I CODES OR EVERYTHING ON THE VERTICAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF NEW BUILDINGS, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. UH, OF COURSE, WHAT WE HAVE IS A MASTER SIGN ELECTRICIAN. UH, LIDDELL IS THE PRIMARY. PETE IS THE ALTERNATE FOR THAT. UH, WE HAVE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, FIRE PROTECTION, ENGINEER AND ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, PLUMBING, A MECHANICAL ENGINEER. WE ALSO HAVE AN ARCHITECT. WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING CONTRACTORS. WE HAVE TWO POSITIONS FOR THAT. EACH ONE OF THESE IS A PRIMARY AND AN ALTERNATE. SO WHEN IT SAYS ONE, THAT'S ONE PRIMARY, ONE ALTERNATE. SO WE HAVE TWO BUILDING CONTRACTORS, TWO MASTER ELECTRICIANS, UH, ONE OPEN SHOP, ONE UNION, TWO HVAC CONTRACTORS, UH, TWO MASTER PLUMBERS. ONCE AGAIN. UH, ONE IS OP OPEN SHOP AND ONE IS UNION, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING CONTRACTOR. SO A LOT OF THOSE ARE THE, ON THE KIND OF INSTALLED DESIGN SIDE. WE ALSO HAVE, UH, STAKEHOLDERS THAT OVERSEE THOSE BUILDINGS. SO, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNER MANAGERS, UH, BOMA IS, UH, THE ONE THAT USUALLY PRESENTS SOMEBODY FOR THAT. UH, ADRIAN CONTES IS ON THIS COMMITTEE, SO HE'LL, UH, HE'S A LITTLE BIT LATE TODAY. UH, BUT IF WHEN HE DOES JOIN US, THAT'S WHERE HE REPRESENTS. AND THEN RESIDENTIAL GROUP, OUR TWO MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING OWNERS AND MANAGERS, WHICH, UH, MARK ROSS AND MICHAEL RUST REPRESENT. SO, GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS FIRST, UH, BACK IN JANUARY, WE MET WITH THE FULL BOARD AND WE DEVELOPED THIS COMMITTEE. SO THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE REVIEWS CHAPTER 28 AND APPROVES CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY INDUSTRY, CITIZENS AND STAFF. SO WE'LL HAVE OUR FIVE MEETINGS WITH THIS COMMITTEE. UH, IT'S ALL OPEN MEETINGS THAT WE ENCOURAGE STAKEHOLDER INVOLVEMENT. UH, I KNOW WE HAVE KIND OF A FORMAL SETTING RIGHT HERE IN TYPICALLY A LOT OF THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. WE'VE BEEN DONE IN A MORE, UM, OPEN SETTING TO LESS FORMAL. UH, BUT WHAT WE, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO, UH, LIVE BROADCAST, THIS, WE'RE KIND OF REQUIRED TO DO IT IN THIS ROOM WITH THIS SETTING. SO, BUT WE STILL ENCOURAGE AND WE ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE AS MUCH OF AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UH, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO SHOW UP FOR THESE MEETINGS. WE EMAIL US, PROVIDE US INFORMATION, AND HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE. SO WHILE WE HAVE SET TIMES FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, WE DO ENCOURAGE WHOEVER DOES BECOME CHAIR TO INCUR, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY RAISES A HAND, WANTS TO TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC ITEM, UH, TO TRY TO KEEP A OPEN DIALOGUE DURING THESE MEETINGS AS BEST WE CAN. SO ONCE THIS COMMITTEE APPROVES THE CHANGES, UH, THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE, THE FULL BOARD. AND THE FULL BOARD WILL HEAR ALL THOSE CHANGES. WE'LL PROBABLY GO OVER TO THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS, UH, NON CLERICAL, BUT THEY'LL BE THE OFFICIAL VOTE. SO WE'LL GET A FULL VOTE FROM THE FULL BOARD, AND THAT'LL BE THE RESOLUTION THAT, IN THAT WE TAKE IN ORDER, UH, BEFORE THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AND COMMITTEE, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL. SO WE'LL GO TO CITY COUN, THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. ONCE THEY APPROVE THAT, THEY ALLOW US TO MOVE FORWARD TO FULL CITY COUNCIL. UH, AT THAT POINT, CITY COUNCIL WILL PRESENT TO THEM ALL THE CHANGES AND UPDATES. UH, USUALLY WE'LL GIVE A GRACE PERIOD. SO LET'S SAY WE MEET IN OCTOBER CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL TRY TO SET THE ORDINANCE UP TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VOTED, THESE ARE THE CHANGES WE'RE GONNA MAKE. IT WON'T BE IMMEDIATE. UH, WE'LL TRY TO PUT A, YOU KNOW, 60, 90 DAYS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'LL HAVE IT WORDED OUT INTO THE ORDINANCE. THAT ALLOWS THE INDUSTRY SOME TIME TO MAKE CHANGES AND PREPARE, OR IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON, GET THOSE DOWN, UH, TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND BE UNDER THE EXISTING, UH, CHAPTER 28 BEFORE THE CHANGES ARE MADE. SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, I KNOW WE HAD A FEW THAT OPEN, UH, ATTENDEES THAT DID SAY THEY WANTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY AT THIS TIME WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE I SAID, WE WANT IT TO BE AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE. UM, WE'VE GOT A FEW AGENDA ITEMS THAT ARE MORE CLERICAL TODAY. REALLY THE GOAL FOR TODAY IS TO SET UP THE NEXT FOUR MEETINGS, GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UM, SET UP THE COMMITTEE, THE CHAIR, ADD SOME NON-BOARD MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE AS WELL. BUT AS ANYBODY AT THIS TIME WISH TO SPEAK OR HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. WE JUST ASK THAT YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YES, THANK YOU. THE OP FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I RESIDE AT 4 57 CLUB DRIVE. AND I WAS KIND OF A POINT OF HOUSEKEEPING. I COULD NOT FIND THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETING. SO YOU MENTIONED SOME CLERICAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ON ESSAY SPEAKUP. THERE'S NOT AN AGENDA POSTED FOR THIS MEETING, SO IF YOU COULD MAYBE INFORM US ABOUT YOUR ENTIRE AGENDA FOR TODAY, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. [00:20:12] UM, ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS TIME? YES, MA'AM. AND WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL PULL UP THE AGENDA AND GO THROUGH THAT ONLINE. PERFECT. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS PATTY ZIONS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 1 3 42 ISSA DRIVE. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE. WILL THERE BE NON-TECHNICAL PEOPLE ON, UH, LIKE JUST COMMON CITIZENS OR, UH, PRESERVATIONISTS TO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE? UH, YES MA'AM. THAT'D BE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, I BELIEVE, WHERE WE WILL VOTE TO ADD FOUR NON-APPROVED OR NON APPOINTED MEMBERS, WHICH ARE NON-BOARD MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? OKAY. LET ME, UH, ONE SECOND. I'M GONNA PULL IT ON THIS PRESENTATION. I'M GONNA PULL UP THE AGENDA FOR THAT. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE, UH, SA SPEAK UP WEBSITE. I THINK THERE'S, THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE THAT TALKS ABOUT THESE MEETINGS, BUT IT'S NOT LINKING TO THIS BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEALS BOARD WHERE THE AGENDA SITS. WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT CORRECTED BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. SO THE BOARD WILL FALL UNDER THIS LINK HERE. IT'S THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD. OH. WHICH IS BRINGING ME TO THE LIVE AT THIS TIME. UH, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD'VE SEEN. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M NOT USED TO BEING, COMING INTO THIS LIVE, SO BEAR WITH ME REAL FAST. WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT AT MARK? YOU ONLY SEE THE AGENDA, CORRECT? YEAH. SO THIS IS THE MEETING AND EVENTS THAT WE CREATE HERE. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE I'LL GET, I'LL GET THAT CORRECTED THAT WAY. YES, MA'AM. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. YEAH, THAT WAS A GREAT COMMENT. OKAY. UM, BUT YEAH, SO REAL QUICK, THESE ARE THE FOUR MEETING AGENDAS FOR TODAY. VOTE TO APPOINT A CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR FOR THE SIGN CO COMMITTEE. VOTE TO ADD ANY NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO THE SIGN CO COMMITTEE VOTE TO ADD ANY NON BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS TO THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE. AND THEN WE'LL START A DISCUSSION OF CHAPTER 28, UH, SOME PROPOSED CHANGES IN TO THE CURRENT CODES, BUT MOST LIKELY, UH, MOSTLY TODAY, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GONNA BE SETTING IT UP, GIVE A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES OF 20 SEVENTEENS AND GO FROM THERE, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE TIME AFTER THAT. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECTED. OKAY. SO THIS MOVES US TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. YES, SIR. MARK, BEFORE WE DO THIS, CAN MIKE, CAN WE DO THE VOTE TO SWITCH ME AND MIKE SO THAT, I MEAN, I I MEAN WE CAN, BECAUSE AN ALTERNATE COULDN'T BE CHAIRMAN, CORRECT? NO, HE CAN BE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AT LEAST JOE WAS ONE TIME . OKAY. OKAY. BUT YEAH, NO, I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THEN, UH, WE WILL. UM, SO OKAY. AT THIS TIME I'LL TAKE ANY MOTIONS FOR ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE THE CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, LIDDEL TOY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, MARK ROSS BE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE. OKAY. I HAVE, UH, LIDDEL TOY WITH THE MOTION TO MAKE MARK ROSS CURRENTLY PRI UH, ALTERNATE AND WE'LL CHANGE HIM TO PRIMARY, UH, AS THE CHAIR, UH, SECONDED BY JACK MOORE. ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. UM, MOTION PASSES. MARK, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AS THE CHAIR NOW TO, UH, CONTINUE THE, DOES SOMEONE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR THE CO-CHAIR? I NOMINATE DEL TO JACK MOORE. NOMINATING LATO FOR CO-CHAIR. IS THERE A SECOND? JOE LALES? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS. MOTION CARRIES. [00:25:02] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UH, CHAIR OF MR. ROSS CO-CHAIR TOY. I APPRECIATE THAT. UH, WE'LL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS, UH, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CARRY THROUGH EACH OF THE MEETINGS IN CASE WE EVER DO NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL BOARD MEMBERS. CURRENTLY WE'RE AT FOUR PRIMARY TWO ALTERNATES. I NEED THREE OF THOSE TO BE QUORUM. SO ACTUALLY ADDING ONE MORE ONLY HELPS US. UH, JOEL LEOS HAS VOLUNTEERED TO, TO BE SERVING ON THIS BOARD. IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT. JEREMY, IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD JEREMY TO THE COMMITTEE? YES, SIR. SO, UM, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, IF THE AGENDA WASN'T, UH, POSTED, IF THAT LINK DIDN'T WORK ON ESSAY SPEAKUP, UM, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ITEMS ACTION ON ANY OF THE ITEMS TODAY. TODAY. WE'LL JUST BE, HAVE TO A DISCUSSION. NO, IT WAS POSTED. IT JUST WASN'T POSTED TO WHERE THAT EVENT WAS. SO THE OFFICIAL POSTING, SO THESE EVENTS WE KIND OF SET UP, UH, JIMENA WAS SETTING 'EM UP TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT THE OFFICIAL MEETING UNDER THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEALS BOARD, THE SAME WAY WE DO ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS WAS POSTED THERE. IT JUST WASN'T LINKED. SO IF THEY WENT TO THAT MEET, 'CAUSE WE CAN DO A LOT OF NON COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND OTHER BOARD MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT UNDER THAT ESSAY. SPEAKUP COULD BE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD THE TWO PREVIOUS ONES. SO THOSE WERE LIKE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS MEETING, BUT THE ACTUAL POSTING WAS UNDER THE VOTING RELATED FIRE CODES AND PILLS BOARD AS OF LAST WEEK. SO IT MET THE 72 HOURS. OKAY. UM, I JUST, LET ME JUST, THAT'S PRIME. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRIME, PRIME GOV? BUT IT IS IN PRIME GOV AND THEN IT MOVES IT TO, AS THEY SPEAK UP. SO THAT AGENDA THAT I PULLED UP DURING THE VIDEO, THAT IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT VIDEO WHERE WE'RE SHOWING IT LIVE, AND IT HAS THE AGENDA TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN POSTED FOR MORE THAN SEVEN TWO HOURS TO THE NORMAL PLACE THAT WE ALWAYS POST. UM, I, I STILL JUST NEED TO CLARIFY IF, IF PUBLIC NOTICE WAS ACHIEVED BY NOT HAVING IT ON THE ESSAY SPEAKUP, WHICH I THINK IS THE, THE PRIMARY, IT WAS ON ESSAY SPEAKUP, WE JUST KINDA HAD TWO MEETINGS ON ESSAY SPEAKUP. ONE THAT WAS INTERNAL STAFF HAD CREATED, BUT THE OTHER ONE, THE OFFICIAL ONE UNDER BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEAL ORDERS. THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO TO MAKE SURE WE LINK THOSE TOGETHER PROPERLY NEXT TIME. BUT IT WAS OFFICIALLY UNDER THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES AND APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD. THE AGENDA WAS YES, CORRECT. LINKED OR, OR AVAILABLE THROUGH SS A SPEAKUP SOMEHOW IT WAS CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADD JOE TO THE, UH, WELL, LET'S TABLE THAT ONE SECOND REAL FAST. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY, UM, HAPPY TO SHOW THAT. JEREMY. YEAH, I, I, I STILL THINK SINCE TODAY IS PRIMARILY, UM, KIND OF CLERICAL THINGS, UH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY STILL HOLD OFF JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THAT WANTED TO GET NOTICE, UM, DID RECEIVE NOTICE. SO, UM, IF WE CAN JUST KINDA HAVE SOME DISCUSSION TODAY AND THEN, AND SET UP, UH, THE NEXT MEETING FOR, FOR ACTION ITEMS. CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? CAN WE JUST DO THE ORGANIZATIONAL THINGS THAT DON'T AFFECT ANYBODY, LIKE, AND THEN PUT OFF ANY DISCUSSION, ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE IS AN ACTION ITEM. SO I WOULD NO, NOT RECOMMEND THAT. OKAY. SO STRIKE THE, THE CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR AT THIS TIME. YES. YEAH. WE'LL, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF, POST ALL THAT AND TAKE CARE OF IT NEXT TIME. CAN WE GO? NO. SO DO YOU WANT ME JUST INFORMALLY, CAN WE, THERE THERE CAN BE INFORMAL DISCUSSION. SURE. JUST, JUST, UH, NOTHING, UH, ACTIONABLE. SO I GUESS WE GO TO THE PRESENTATION AND THAT WE'RE NOT ADDING ANYBODY AT THIS MEETING AND WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY OF THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS AT THE MEETING, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO CAN WE GO TO THE AGENDA ITEM? THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT. UH, WE STILL WANT TO, AT THIS TIME, TAKE VOLUNTEERS TO JOIN. THAT'S NOT AN ACTIONABLE ITEM. WE WON'T TAKE ACTION ON THAT, BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO GO AHEAD AND SEE WHO IS INTERESTED IN BEING A NON APPOINTED MEMBER TO THE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. YEAH. ONE, ONE I ONE PERSON THAT, UH, I RECEIVED THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ON IS STEVE RICHMOND, WHO'S A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION. AND SINCE I, IT AFFECTS THEM, I'D LIKE TO TOSS HIS NAME INTO THE HEAD. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TTR? COULD DID YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER? OKAY. SO IF YOU WILL DO, UH, ME A FAVOR AND JUST CHAIR REAL FAST, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. I WANNA GIVE A BRIEF INFORMATION ON WHAT THE, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE APPOINTED TO THIS COMMITTEE. UH, SURE. SO THAT EVERYBODY'S FULLY AWARE. UH, SO THE COMMITTEE IS CURRENTLY COMMIT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, AND NEEDS A MINIMUM OF FOUR, A MAXIMUM OF SEVEN. AND EACH MEMBER CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATE. UH, CURRENTLY WE'RE AT FOUR MEMBERS, UH, WITH TWO, WITH TWO ALTERNATES. [00:30:01] UH, APPOINTED COMMITTEE MEMBERS MAY HAVE ALTERNATES. UM, YEAH. OKAY. SO I JUST WENT OVER THAT. SO WHEN I SAY APPOINTED, THAT'S BOARD MEMBERS. 'CAUSE THEY'RE APPOINTED TO THE BOARD FROM CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR, UH, NON APPOINTED MEMBERS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'LL LOOK TO ADD. THEY'RE NOT APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL OR MAYOR. THEY'RE REALLY JUST VOTED ON BY THE COMMITTEE TO BE ADDED TO THE, SO, UH, COMMITTEE MAY ADDITIONAL FOUR NINE APPOINTED MEMBERS ARE NOT COUNTED TOWARD QUORUM. SO THEY, THEY'RE THE QUORUM PURPOSES. STILL WOULD NEED TO HAVE A MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTED MEMBERS HERE FOR THE MEETINGS. AND, UH, IF, AND THEY'RE ALSO NOT USED TOWARDS ANY FINAL VOTES. UH, THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A LOT OF CONSENSUS, ESPECIALLY FROM NON-MEMBERS AND OR NON APPOINTED AND APPOINTED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR IS BECAUSE WE, AS WE MENTIONED, THE, THE BUILDING OF LADY FIRE CODES APPEALS BOARD IS A VERY TECHNICAL BOARD. UH, WHAT WE'RE ALSO HOPING FOR IS SOME BALANCE ON THAT, UH, WITH NON-TECHNICAL, NON-INDUSTRY. UH, BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'D BE UP TO THE COMMITTEE, OF COURSE. BUT WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR IS TRY TO BALANCE OUT THE COMMITTEE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, WITH NON-INDUSTRY. UM, IF AT THIS TIME THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE AS A NON APPOINTED MEMBER, PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR NAME AT THIS TIME. IF YOU WOULD JUST COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. UM, AND WE'LL, UH, LOG THAT. SO GIMME ONE SECOND TO PULL UP THAT LOG. SO I WOULD BELIEVE YOU, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS, AND IF YOU COULD AT SOME POINT, UH, GIVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT PUBLICLY ONLINE, BUT MAYBE IN WRITING TO, UH, JEREMY. YEAH, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND. I'M GONNA PULL UP SO I CAN, OKAY. UM, SO WITH THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE VOLUNTEERS. I'LL MAKE SURE TO WRITE DOWN YOUR NAME, JUST DOUBLE CHECK, MAKE SURE I HAVE PROPERLY, AND IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR, UH, INDUSTRY OR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AFFILIATION, IF YOU'LL STATE THAT TOO, SO THAT WE CAN GET A FLAVOR, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT THERE'S MORE THAN FOUR HANDS THAT ARE GOING UP. SO WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE BALANCE IT OUT. SO, READY? OH. SO IF YOU'LL JUST, YOUR NAME AT THE MIC, IF WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD, NATE. MY NAME IS PATTI, P A T T I. AND THE LAST NAME IS ZIONS, Z A I O N T Z. I RESIDE AT 3 4 2 SINISA SS E N I S A DRIVE 7 8 2 2 8. AND DO YOU WANT MY EMAIL? UH, NO, NOW WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT IN A PRIVATELY OKAY. SO THAT WE DON'T ANNOUNCE IT O OVER THE WORLD. THAT'S FINE. BUT NEIGHBORHOOD IS' CARE DAMN NEIGHBORHOOD. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. EVERY, THERE IS NOTHING SECRET ANYMORE. WE LIVE IN A SOCIAL SOCIETY. EXACTLY. HI. UM, I AM THE IMMEDIATE PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND I WOULD REPRESENT THE PRESERVATION SIDE, UH, BUT I DO SUPPORT THE IMPORTANCE OF SIGNAGE IN MARKETING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING GOOD, UH, SIGNAGE DIRECTION FOR FOLKS. AND SO I THINK THERE IS A HAPPY MEDIUM TO BE STRUCK FOR BOTH. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. PERFECT. NEXT? YEAH, JUST IF YOU'LL LINE UP AND THAT WAY WE'LL JUST GET HIM REAL QUICK. GOOD MORNING. I'M KATHLEEN THAR. THAT'S K A T H L E E N T R E N C H A R D. I LIVE AT 1 0 5 NORTH JOSEPHINE TOBIN DRIVE 7 8 2 0 1. AND I AM A CONCERNED CITIZEN WHO HAS BEEN COMING. I WAS HERE, UM, FIVE YEARS AGO, SO I HAVE A BACKGROUND. . ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DAVID BOGLE. I'M AN ARCHITECT, UH, AND I RESIDE AT 7 23 WEST FRENCH PLACE. THAT'S DISTRICT 1 7 8 2 1 2. UH, I'M AN ARCHITECT. I'D BE HERE REPRESENTING, UH, AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS AS WELL AS, UH, SCENIC [00:35:01] TEXAS. THANK YOU. COLLEEN WAPAC, 1603 TARTAN LANE. UH, I WOULD BE HERE REPRESENTING NORTHSIDE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR ORGANIZED DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, RESIDE AT 4 57 CLUB DRIVE, 7 8 2 0 1 IN DISTRICT SEVEN. AND I WOULD BE REPRESENTING THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, WHICH IS ONE OF YOUR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS IDENTIFIED IN YOUR PROCESS AS OUTREACH OF INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPRESENTED ON THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. HO HO DID YOU GET IT? YOU SPOKE RATHER QUICKLY, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE HE GET YOU GOT IT ALL. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ANDREW PEREZ. I'M A MASTER ELECTRICIAN AND I AM A SIGNED CONTRACTOR. AND I DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WORKING FOR THE CITY. SO A LITTLE BIT, SO I THINK I CAN FEEL THE, FEEL THE BALANCE IN FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AND HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF HOW THE CITY MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW THINGS GO. SO WILL YOU TELL US SO THAT WE JUST GET ON YOUR BACKGROUND, WHAT THE CITY WAS, UH, I RETIRED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO AS THE CHIEF SITE INSPECTOR OR SITE INSPECTION SUPERVISOR. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE, IF YOU WILL JUST, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE PAPER, WE'LL GET YOU SOME JUST EMAIL AND PHONE NUMBERS. SO, AND JUST GIVE THOSE TO JEREMY SO THAT WE CAN, UH, KNOW HOW TO CONTACT YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO VOLUNTEER? AND THEN IF YOU'LL JUST ADD STEVE RICHMOND'S NAME TO THAT LIST ALSO, AND WE'LL GET YOU THE CONTEXT STUFF FOR THAT. IS THAT YES. YEAH, IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA ITEM. AND WHAT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? SORRY. THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS WILL THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AS A VOLUNTEER ON THIS COMMITTEE AND ONE OF THOSE FOUR SLOTS BE POSTED SOMEWHERE SO PEOPLE CAN APPLY. WE WILL, UM, UH, HAVE A, SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME FOR, UM, A SELECTION. WE CAN, I GUESS PUT SOMETHING OUT, UH, JUST AS AN AWARENESS THAT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PROCESS IS HAPPENING AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SET IT UP FOR, UH, SELECTION NEXT, UH, POSTED AGENDA. YEAH, BECAUSE IT, THE BIGGER THE LIST GETS, THE HARDER IT'S GONNA BE TO WHITTLE DOWN TO FOUR PEOPLE. SO, BUT IT, WE WANT AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS. SO THE ANSWER'S YES, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE SOME DELIBERATIONS. NEXT MEETING TO PICK THE FOUR. JEREMY. NEXT ITEM PLEASE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. ALL RIGHT, SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS DISCUSSION OF CHAPTER 28 SIGNS AND BILLBOARD ORDINANCE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CURRENT CODES. UH, MOSTLY IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMATIVE TIME AT THIS TIME. UH, FIRST WE'LL START OFF WITH LEGAL TO DISCUSS THE RECENT CASE, AUSTIN VERSUS REAGAN. THIS IS, UH, JOSEPH HARNEY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE. I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL ARE VERY AWARE, LIKE MR. TOY THERE . SO, UM, YESTERDAY THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT ISSUED A, UH, A RULING IN THE, IN THE CASE OF, UH, AUSTIN VERSUS REAGAN NATIONAL, WHICH IS A SIGNED COMPANY, UH, THIS CASE ORIGINATED, UM, IN, IN AUSTIN. UH, ENDED UP IN THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS. UM, IN, UH, AUGUST OF 2020, UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THE THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS, UH, BASICALLY RULED IN FAVOR OF, OF THE SIGN COMPANY. AND, UH, AND THE, THE ISSUE WAS THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN OFF-PREMISE AND ON-PREMISE SIGNS. UM, THE FIFTH CIRCUIT, UH, DECIDED THAT, UH, THAT WAS, UH, DESERVES STRICT SCRUTINY BECAUSE IT WAS A INFRINGEMENT ON FIRST AMENDMENT SPEECH. CITY OF AUSTIN APPEALED, UM, ARGUMENT WAS IN NOVEMBER OF 2021 BEFORE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. AND THE COURT YESTERDAY ISSUED ITS RULING IN FAVOR OF AUSTIN, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON THE, UH, ON AND OFF-PREMISE SIGN. UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS IT SAYS THAT [00:40:01] THE DISTINCTION OF ON AND OFF PREMISES CONTENT NEUTRAL, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE STRICT SCRUTINY. IT'S AN INTERMEDIATE SCRUTINY. UH, SO AUSTIN, IT, IT WAS A SEEN AS A, AS A VICTORY FOR, UH, STATES AND, AND MUNICIPALITIES, UH, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, BASICALLY, THAT CAN KEEP THE ON AND OFF PREMISE DISTINCTION IN THEIR, IN THEIR SIGN CODES. UH, SO NOW HAVING THAT, WE WERE A LITTLE, UH, WORRIED ABOUT WHEN THIS WOULD COME OUT GIVEN THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS UPDATE PROCESS. BUT GIVEN THAT THE, UH, THE DECISION CAME OUT YESTERDAY, WE KIND OF KNOW NOW, UH, WHERE WE STAND AND WE CAN, UH, MOVE FORWARD. SO JUST A, AGAIN, QUICK UPDATE ON THAT. AND PART OF THAT DECISION, AS I WAS READING ON THE INTERNET, IS THEY, UH, REMANDED IT BACK TO THE LOWER COURT. YES. SO WHAT IS THE OUTSTANDING ISSUE THAT THEY, SO SINCE THE DETERMINATION WAS THAT THE, UH, DISTINCTION BETWEEN ON OFF PREMISE WAS CONTENT NEUTRAL, THE, THE SCRUTINY LEVEL THAT THE COURT, UH, NEEDS TO, TO, UH, BASICALLY JUDGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE AUSTIN ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF A STRICT SCRUTINY, WHICH IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE, ITS INTERMEDIATE SCRUTINY. AND SO WITH THAT, AUSTIN JUST HAS TO PROVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT, THAT THE, UH, THERE ARE ORDINANCES IN THE, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS AS FAR AS AESTHETICS, PUBLIC SAFETY, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S A A, A LESS STRICT STANDARD BY WHICH THEIR ORDINANCES JUDGED. THAT'S WHAT, YEAH, AUSTIN STILL HAS TO KIND OF JUMP THROUGH THOSE HOOPS AT THE, AT THE LOWER LEVEL. BUT, UM, THE, THE MAIN ISSUE THAT EVERYBODY WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO WAS THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN ON AND OFF PREMISE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, WE'LL CONTINUE THIS AGENDA ITEM WITH OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR, AMIN TOMAS, DISCUSSING THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAPPENED TO CHAPTER 28 THROUGH THE 2017 UPDATES. GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS. I CAN'T SAY CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, BUT GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS AND GOOD MORNING TO ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR SHOWING UP. I MEAN, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT CODE AND WE REALLY NEED YOUR FEEDBACK AS WELL. SO, I JUST WANNA GO THROUGH QUICK HISTORY A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, BACKGROUND OF THE SIGN CODES. SO THE SIGN CODE HAS BEEN IN OUR, UH, ORDINANCE FOR, FOR A WHILE. UH, THE MA THE FIRST MAJOR UPDATE HAPPENED IN 1994, AND THEN SINCE THEN, IT STAYED STAGNANT FOR ABOUT 21 YEARS. UH, IN 2015, A FORMAL COUNCILMAN IN DISTRICT 10, A COUNCILMAN, UH, FORMER COUNCILMAN GALLAGHER, HE CREATED A C C R COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, CONSIDERATION REQUEST TO REVIEW, AND AMID THE SIGN CODE, WHICH IS CHAPTER 28, THAT TOOK ABOUT 18 MONTHS BECAUSE AGAIN, REMEMBER 21 YEARS PASSED BY WITH NO CHANGES. SO IT WAS A MAJOR CHANGE. IT TOOK, UH, 21 MEETINGS, ABOUT 18 MONTHS TO FINALIZE IT. UM, IN 2017, UH, IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND IT WAS ADOPTED. AND SINCE THEN, WE ARE UNDER THAT CODE. DURING THAT TIME, UH, THEY TALKED ABOUT IT, UM, THE STAKEHOLDERS BASICALLY TALKED ABOUT IT AND SAID THEY WANNA START UPDATING THE SIGN CODE WITH THE U D C UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE UD CS ADOPTED OR, UH, MODIFIED AND REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO THEY WANTED TO DO THE SIGN CODE AT THE SAME TIME. THAT WAY WE DON'T WAIT 21 YEARS TO DO A MEASURE CHANGE. THE U D C WAS, UH, BASICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED AND REVIEWED IN 2020, BUT THEN DUE TO COVID, UH, WE PUT EVERYTHING ON HOLD FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT. SO NOW WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE U D C, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE SIGN CODE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, WE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT SEQUENCE EVERY TIME THE THE UDC IS ADOPTED AND MODIFIED. WE ARE GONNA DO THE SAME THING WITH THE SIGN CODE. SO AGAIN, EVERY FIVE YEARS, WE, WE THINK WE ARE GONNA WRAP THIS UP IN FIVE MEETINGS, HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, LIDDELL IS SAYING, SAYING TOO, WE WILL SEE, UH, EXCEPT TODAY, TODAY IT DOESN'T COUNT. UH, SO WE, WE WILL SEE. BUT AGAIN, IF WE NEED MORE MEETINGS, DEFINITELY WE CAN SCHEDULE THOSE. BUT RIGHT NOW ON THE BOOKS, WE DID SCHEDULE THE FIVE MEETINGS SO EVERYBODY KNOW, KNOWS WHEN THOSE MEETINGS GONNA HAPPEN, THE DATE, THE TIME, AND BE READY FOR IT. BUT AS I SAID, IF WE NEED MORE, DEFINITELY WE CAN, IF WE WRAP UP IN TWO, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. NEXT. SO JUST WANT TO GO OVER AGAIN THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAPPENED IN 2017 COMPARED TO THE 1994 CODE. SO ONE OF THEM WAS THE ADMINISTRATIVE EXCEPTION, THE PREVIOUS CODE IN 1994. UH, IF THERE IS ANY EXCEPTIONS, UH, TO THE SIGN CODE, IT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE B O A, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, EVEN IF IT WAS SMALL. SO IF YOU HAVE, IF [00:45:01] THE CODE SAYS YOU HAVE THE SIGN MAXIMUM TO BE AT 10 FEET, AND YOU INSTALL IT AT 10 FOOT SIX INCHES, YOU HAD TO GO TO THE B O A TO ALLOW THEM TO REVIEW IT. THEY CAN APPROVE IT OR DENY IT, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO IN 2017, THEY GAVE THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THE ALLOWANCE TO REVIEW THOSE CASES, AND AGAIN, EITHER APPROVE OR DENY, DEPENDING ON THE CASE. BUT THEY HAVE, THE DIRECTOR HAS THE RIGHT TO REVIEW THOSE IF THEY ARE NO MORE THAN 10%, UH, IN REGARDS TO HEIGHTS AND AREA, IF IT EXCEEDS THE 10%. SO AGAIN, I'M USING THE 10 FOOT EXAMPLE. SO IF YOU INSTALL IT AT UP TO 11 FEET, YOU CAN BRING IT TO, UH, D S D TO THE DIRECTOR TO REVIEW IT. BUT IF YOU GO TO 12 FOOT, THAT'S MORE THAN 10%, AT THAT POINT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE B O A BUILDING, UH, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE SECOND ONE IS THE PREVIOUS CODE, 1994, DID NOT HAVE MUCH, UM, BASICALLY, UH, CIVIL OR ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES. 2017, THEY ADDED FEW THINGS THERE TO HELP US MONITOR THE SIGNS AND BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THE CODE. I MEAN, THE CODE WAS IN PLACE, BUT THERE WAS NO MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT. SO THEY ADDED ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING OFFICERS CITATIONS, WHICH THOSE ARE CIVIL CITATIONS. THEY ADDED THE ALLOWANCE TO GO TO THE BUILDING STANDARD BOARD, UH, TO REVIEW ANY SIGN THAT IS ACTUALLY BUILT ON A STRUCTURE. AND IF THERE IS ISSUES WITH THE STRUCTURE, YOU CAN GO TO THE BUILDING STANDARD BOARD TO PRESENT THAT CASE THERE AND, AND MAKE DETERMINATION. AND THEN THEY ADDED A SECTION IN REGARDS TO THE ABANDONED SIGNS. AGAIN, THERE ARE SIGNS OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE ABANDONED, AND THE PREVIOUS CODE DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN IT TO HELP US, UH, MONITOR THOSE AND, AND ENFORCE THE CODE. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THE, UH, THE, THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WAS THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER. UM, WHAT THAT DOES IS IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND YOU WANNA INSTALL A SIGN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BUFFER BETWEEN THE SIGN AND THAT PROPERTY. IT'S MINIMUM OF 10 FOOT SETBACK FOR AN EIGHT FOOT TALL SIGN. AND AGAIN, THE TALLER THE SIGN IS, THE FURTHER AWAY IT'S GONNA BE. SO FOR EVERY, UH, ADDITIONAL FOOT AND HEIGHT, IT NEEDS TO BE ONE FOOT SETBACK IN ADDITION TO THE MINIMUM 10 FEET. AGAIN, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS DONE, AGAIN, DUE TO SOME CASES THAT WE HAD, UH, WHERE THERE WAS COMMERCIAL SIGNS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND THE ILLUMINATION OF THE SIGN, UH, DID AFFECT THE RESIDENT THERE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE, WE FIXED THAT ISSUE. THE NEXT ITEM WAS DIGITAL SIGN BRIGHTNESS. UM, THE CODE HAD A LITTLE BIT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN I GUESS THE, THE STAKEHOLDER AND, AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WORKED ON IT. AND THEY CAME UP WITH THE TABLE WHERE IT GIVES YOU EXACTLY HOW TO MEASURE THAT. AND WHAT ARE THE ALLOWANCES FOR BRIGHTNESS AND WHY I'M SAYING STAKEHOLDERS AND D S D I WASN'T PART OF THIS, UH, IN 2017. SO I'M JUST GOING THROUGH WHAT, WHAT THEY DID. UM, SO AGAIN, THE ON-PREMISE AND OFF-PREMISE SIGNS, THEY HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE BRIGHTNESS AND TO THE NET, UH, MEASUREMENTS. EVERY NEW SIGN, DIGITAL SIGN THAT'S INSTALLED, IT HAS TO PASS FIVE, UH, BREATHINGS BASICALLY. AND OBVIOUSLY AT NIGHT BECAUSE YOU WANNA TEST AND CHECK, UH, THE BRIGHTNESS AND MEASURE THE CANDELA BASICALLY, AND MAKE SURE IT IS IN COMPLIANCE. SO WE HAVE TO DO FIVE INSPECTIONS TO MAKE SURE IT, IT'S ALLOWED. UM, OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE SIGN MASTER PLAN. UM, AGAIN, THERE IS TWO, TWO ITEMS HERE. ONE OF THEM IS, UH, EVERY SIGN MASTER PLAN IN THE PAST, AGAIN, IN 1994 CODE, IT HAS TO GO TO THE B O A, UH, TO BE APPROVED. UH, THAT CHANGED IN 2017. THEY ALLOWED THE DIRECTOR TO REVIEW IT AND, UH, AGAIN, EITHER APPROVE IT OR NOT. THE OTHER CHANGE WAS, UH, THEY'RE STILL PERMITTED 'CAUSE THEY WERE PERMITTED BEFORE, BUT THEY REDUCED, UH, THE OVERALL SIGN HEIGHT AND AREA, UH, BY MINIMUM 25%. SO KIND OF, THEY MADE THOSE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ANYMORE. FEATHER FEATHER SIGNS OR FLAGS, UM, THEY DID NOT EXIST IN THE CODE, BUT AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, UM, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO, IT BECAME A BIG DEAL. EVERYBODY'S GETTING THOSE FEATHER SIGNS, PUTTING THEM IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS. IT'S A GOOD ADVERTISEMENT. UH, SO OBVIOUSLY IN 2017, UM, THE FEATHER FLAG WAS ADDED TO THE CODE AND IT, SO THEY'RE ALLOWED, AS LONG AS THEY [00:50:01] MEET CERTAIN HEIGHT AREA AND SPACING REQUIREMENTS, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO APPLY FOR PERMIT AND THEY GET THE DECAL. AND WE DO INSPECT THOSE BASICALLY, UH, IN REGARDS TO BILLBOARDS, UH, SPECIFICALLY GOVERNMENTAL ACTION. UH, SO AGAIN, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, TEXT DOT OR I GUESS YEAH, THE GOVERNMENT, THEY WANNA WIDEN A STREET AND THERE'S A BILLBOARD ON THE SIDE. UH, IN THE 1994 CODE, YOU NEED TO MOVE THAT SIGN. YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET TWO VOUCHERS. SO TECHNICALLY YOU'RE BRINGING TWO BILLBOARDS DOWN TO PUT ONE UP THAT CHANGED, AND IT'S 1 4 1. SO IF THEY EXPAND THE STREET AND YOU CAN MOVE THE SIGN JUST BEYOND THAT, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. IF YOU CANNOT, 'CAUSE THERE IS NO ROOM AND YOU WANNA MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, UH, IF IT'S APPROVED, BUT TECHNICALLY IT'S ONE FOR ONE BASIS. TEMPORARY SIGNS, UH, THERE IS THREE CATEGORIES FOR THAT. UH, SIGNS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, THE MAXIMUM SIZE IS 10 SQUARE FOOT, AND THEY CANNOT BE HIGHER THAN SIX FEET HIGH. AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE LIKE BASICALLY, UH, REALTOR SIGNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, THE NEXT ONE ITEM OR CATEGORY IS LARGE SIGNS. THOSE ARE THE EVENT SIGNS. THE MAXIMUM IS 64 SQUARE FOOT AND THEY CAN GO UP TO 16 FOOT HIGH. THOSE ARE MAINLY, UH, WHAT WE SEE THEM FOR IS, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEY WANNA PUT SIGNS TO TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES AT THIS LOCATION, YOU KNOW, AND PRICES MAYBE OR WHEREVER THEY WANNA POST THERE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE, UH, INSTALLED WITHIN FIVE MILE. UH, FROM THE, FROM THE ADVERTISED EVENT OR THE LOCATION, THEY'RE LIMITED TO ONE YEAR. SO YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR PERMIT. YOU GET THE PERMIT, IT'S ONE YEAR. NOW, OBVIOUSLY THOSE SUBDIVISIONS TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR TO BE BUILT, SO YOU ARE ALLOWED TO EXTEND THAT ON A YEARLY BASIS UP TO FOUR TIMES. SO TECHNICALLY TOTAL IT'S FIVE YEARS, THE FIRST ONE YEAR, AND THEN YOU, YOU CAN EXTEND IT FOUR TIMES ON TOP OF THAT. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE DECALS AND THERE IS SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE SIGNS AS WELL. THE LAST TEMPORARY SIGN CATEGORY IS SMALL SIGNS. UH, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE GARAGE SALE ONES. UM, AGAIN, GARAGE SALES. UH, THEY REQUIRE PERMIT, SO OBVIOUSLY THOSE, UH, TEMPORARY SIGNS WILL HAVE A DECAL ON IT OR A STICKER, UH, TELLING US WHEN THEY OBTAINED IT AND WHEN ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT IT THERE. THOSE ARE THE MAIN, THE MAIN ITEMS. UM, I HAVE SOME NUMBERS. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T PUT THEM ON THE PRESENTATION, UM, IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM, BUT IT'S, IT'S OVERALL GENERAL INFORMATION. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE ABANDONED SIGNS, UH, JUST F Y I, AS I SAID, IN 1994, THERE WAS NO RULING FOR IT OR, OR ANYTHING THAT HELPS US, UH, MANAGE THOSE. SINCE 2017, WE WENT OUT AND WE ADDRESSED FIVE, UH, LOCATIONS AND ALL FIVE, UH, GOT INTO COMPLIANCE. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE, WE MANAGED TO CLEAN UP OUR CITY, BASICALLY. UH, THE SECOND ONE IS THE DIGITAL SIGNS. UM, SO WE HAD, IN 2019, THERE WAS A SMALL CHANGE THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED TO PUT A SECOND FACE ON THE DIGITAL SIGNS, THE BILLBOARDS. WE HAVE 13 LOCATIONS THAT THEY HAD ONE SIDE ON THE, UH, BILLBOARD, DIGITAL BILLBOARD, AND THE OTHER SIDE WAS STAGNANT OR STATIC. UH, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PUT, UH, DIGITAL SIGN ON THE OTHER SIDE AS LONG AS THEY REMOVE, UM, A LOT OF SIGNS. SO THEY REMOVED 41 LARGE BILLBOARD SIGNS, AND THEY REMOVED 278 JUNIOR BOARDS, UH, TO INSTALL THOSE, UH, 13 LOCATIONS. UM, I BELIEVE ONLY 11 OF THOSE WERE INSTALLED. SO TECHNICALLY WE CLEANED UP. AS I SAID, WE CLEANED UP THE CITY WITH A LOT OF SMALL, UH, OR CALLED JUNIOR BOARDS, UH, AND BIG, BIG ONES JUST TO CHANGE THOSE TO, UM, DIGITAL IN REGARDS TO DIGITAL SIGNS ON, ON-PREMISE SIGNS. UH, SINCE 2017, WE ISSUED 200 PERMITS. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THEY'RE INSTALLED, AS I SAID, WE DO FIVE INSPECTIONS AT NIGHT TO MAKE SURE, UH, THEY COMPLY WITH THE BRIGHTNESS. 30 OF THEM FAILED, UH, THE, THE INSPECTIONS, UM, DURING THAT TIME. BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY GET CORRECTED AFTER, UH, WE HAD ABOUT 55 0, 50 INVESTIGATIONS DUE TO BRIGHTNESS. WE GET CALLS SAYING THERE'S A DIGITAL SIGN AND IT'S REALLY BRIGHT. SO WE GO AND INSPECT THOSE. UM, WE ISSUED THREE CITATIONS, UM, FOR THOSE. SO WHAT HAPPENS, WE GO OUT THERE, IF IT'S BRIGHT, WE CONTACT THE OWNER, SAY, THIS IS BRIGHT, I WANNA SAY NINE OUT OF 10 OR MORE THAN THAT. [00:55:01] THEY IMMEDIATELY REDUCED THE, THE, THE LIGHT, THE BRIGHTNESS. AND WITH THE TECHNOLOGY, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT. I WENT OUT A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AND DID SOME OF THOSE INSPECTIONS. THEY PULLED THEIR CELL PHONE AND FROM THEIR CELL PHONE, THEY CANNOT JUST THE BRIGHTNESS. SO IT'S IMMEDIATE. THEREFORE, THEY CAME INTO COMPLIANCE. SO WE DON'T ISSUE CITATION, BUT THERE WAS FEW GUYS, I WANT TO CALL THEM KNUCKLEHEADS, THAT THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT. SO WE ISSUED CITATIONS, ONLY THREE OF THEM. BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. THE FEATHER FLAGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. AS I SAID, UH, THAT'S, THAT WAS NEW IN 2017. UM, WE ISSUED 1,290 PERMITS FOR THOSE, UH, DURING THIS TIME WE ACTUALLY FOUND 810 OF THEM IN VIOLATION. AND SAME THING, WE GO TALK TO THE OWNER IMMEDIATELY. MOST OF THEM, THEY JUST PULL IT OUT AND SAY, OKAY, I'M DONE. I'M NOT GONNA PUT IT THERE ANYMORE. UH, BUT WE ISSUED 10 CITATIONS DURING THAT TIMEFRAME. UH, EVENT SIGNS, UM, WE ISSUED 438, UH, EVENT SIGNS. THERE WAS ABOUT 190 VIOLATIONS AND THERE WAS 141 CITATIONS. THAT'S ONE OF THE HIGHEST ONES WE HAD. AND MAYBE THE REASON, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE EXCUSE, BUT I BELIEVE THE REASON IS THOSE ARE BIGGER SIGNS. THEY'RE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. IT'S NOT EASY TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE IMMEDIATELY OR EVEN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR SO. SO THAT'S WHY PROBABLY THEY GET THOSE CITATIONS. UM, SO THE LAST ONE IS BANDIT SIGNS. UH, WE ISSUED 611 PERMITS FOR BANDIT SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE TIMEFRAME. WE ACTUALLY FOUND 2021 VIOLATIONS. WE ISSUED 1,677 CITATIONS FOR THOSE BANDIT SIGNS. AND JUST F Y I, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE NOT JUST COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? IT'S MAINLY WE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK NICE. SO WE HAVE THE TEAM GO OUT ON THE WEEKEND ON OVERTIME TO PICK UP BANDIT SIGNS. AND DURING THIS TIMEFRAME, WE PULLED TWO POINT OVER 2.7 MILLION BANDIT SIGNS IN THOSE FIVE YEARS. SO JUST F Y I, THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE. UM, OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL THOSE FRAMES? 2 MILLION FRAMES, HUH? . WE, THESE ARE ABOUT 10 BUCKS EACH , UNFORTUNATELY, I'LL BUY SOME OF THEM BACK FROM YOU. UN UN UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T, AND I'M, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT TECHNICALLY WE JUST PUT THEM IN THE DUMPSTER AND I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR IT AND THEN IT GOES IN, IN, IN TRASH. I MEAN, I REALLY, SO MAYBE WE COULD DONATE IT TO SOME ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD, UH, SO WHAT GONNA HAPPEN WHEN WE DONATE IT TO SOMEBODY, THEY'RE GONNA GO AND INSTALL IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, OR . I GOTTA KEEP PICKING IT UP AND GIVING IT TO SOMEBODY, SEND 'EM TO THE ASSISTANCE THAT'S, THAT'S CALLED SUSTAINABILITY , THE ASSISTANCE LEAGUE OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? YES, IF YOU'LL COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, AND YOU CAN WELCOME TO ASK A QUESTION. I JUST, NO, NO, NO. YOU GOTTA COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UM, WHEN DID THE KIOSKS BE THE DIGITAL KIOSKS? UH, WHEN DID THEY GET APPROVED AND WHAT WAS THE PROCESS AND WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS AND WHO'S MONITORING THEM? UM, ESPECIALLY WHICH LOCATIONS AND, UH, HOW DID THEY GET APPROVED? WHEN WILL THEY COME UP FOR REVIEW? AND, UM, I'M, I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT ONE THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM ME THAT'S ADVERTISING BEER IN A PARK WHERE BEER IS NOT ALLOWED. OKAY. SO ART, IF YOU'LL IDENTIFY YOURSELF, AND FIRST IF YOU'LL EXPLAIN WHAT A DIGITAL KIOSK IS SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD KNOW WHAT THAT IS. MY NAME'S ARTUR DENO. I'M THE CITY SCIENCES CHIEF EYE INSPECTOR, UH, FOR INFORMATION. THOSE KIOSK, OR WAIT, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. YEAH, JUST PUSH ONE. HOLD IT. YOU HOLD IT? NO, YOU HAVE TO. YES. ART CITY, SAN FIELD CHIEF SIGN INSPECTOR. A KIA SIGN IS, IS, UH, BASICALLY A UPRIGHT, UH, MONUMENT TYPE LOOKING SIGN THAT HAS A DIGITAL E M C UNIT ON IT. IT'D BE USED TO PODIUM, IF YOU'LL COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. SO THAT, OKAY. ART CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, CHIEF SITE INSPECTOR. THE KEY IS, UH, BASICALLY IT'S AN UPRIGHT, UH, MONUMENT TYPE LOOKING SIGN. IT'S, UH, IT HAS A DIGITAL E [01:00:01] M C UNIT IS USED TO ADVERTISE OR BE DIRECTIONAL OR INFORMATIONAL, UH, COPY ON IT. THE ONES WE DO HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH IS AROUND THE UNIVERSITY OF, OF TEXAS, UH, CAMPUS. AND THOSE, WE DID NOT APPROVE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE FALL UNDER THE TEXAS, UH, THE SAGE PROPERTY. AND TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW WHICH, WHICH ONES ARE YOU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHICH PARK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHICH SPECIFIC SIGN? THE ONE, THE ONE THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE ONE ON WOODLAWN LAKE, WHICH IS AN HISTORIC, UH, LOCATION. THE WHOLE LAKE WOODLAWN LAKE IS CONSIDERED HISTORIC. AND THIS THING JUST APPEARED, AND I'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT, AND I'VE TRIED TO ASK THE SIGNAGE DEPARTMENT HERE FOR SOME, UM, BACKGROUND MATERIAL, WHICH I NEVER RECEIVED. I, I GOT A LITTLE MATERIAL FROM, UM, THE H D R C, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. AND, UM, I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE A DISCUSSION ON THIS, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF IT AND, UM, WHO'S MONITORING IT, HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY'S GETTING OUT OF IT, AND WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING? IS ANY OF IT GOING TO OUR PARKS? UH, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND IN HOUSTON, THEY DO NOT ALLOW THESE THINGS IN PUBLIC PARKS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AND I, WE COULD PROBABLY DEDICATE A WHOLE, UM, MEETING TO JUST THIS ISSUE. DOES THAT HELP? YES, MA'AM. YES. WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT ONE BECAUSE, UH, TO BE HONEST, WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED ANY OF THOSE, UH, DIGITALS THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT. SO IT'S PROBABLY GOT APPROVED BY THROUGH THE PARKS OR THROUGH H D R C. SO CAN, CAN YOU JUST DO THE COMMITTEE A FAVOR AND MAYBE, UH, SEND AN INSPECTOR OUT TO TAKE A PICTURE OF WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SO THAT, AND JUST HAVE THEM EMAIL IT TO THE DEFINITELY, SIR. SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IN OUR RESEARCH AS WELL AS, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS THAT WENT INTO GETTING THOSE ERECTED. AND AS PART OF THE PROCESS, MAYBE AT A DIFFERENT MEETING, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET US SOME, SOME EMAIL INFORMATION ON HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, WHEN THE CITY WANTS TO PUT ONE OF THOSE UP ON PUBLIC SPACE, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY EXEMPT FROM THE RULES OR DO THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW? AND WHO HAS TO FOLLOW? BECAUSE IF THE ORDINARY CITIZENS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HOOPS TO DO IT, THE CITY SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. CORRECT? YES, SIR. YES. ELABORATE ON THIS. SURE. I CAN JUST START. IN 2019, I MONITORED ALL THE O H P AND H D R C MEETINGS, AND THAT TOPIC CAME BEFORE THAT HEARING, AND IT WAS APPROVED THROUGH IKE INNOVATIONS AS A PILOT PROJECT FOR THE CITY. AND THEY WERE PLACED IN DIFFERENT PARKS AROUND THE CITY AND DOWNTOWN, AND THERE WERE REGULATIONS AS TO HOW CLOSE THEY COULD BE PLACED. AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE INFORMATION AND WAY FINDING. SO IF THAT HELPS YOU, ANY, YOU CAN PERHAPS GO BACK THROUGH THE RECORDS, UM, OF THOSE MEETINGS THAT ARE RECORDED AND FIND OUT, AND I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOUR YEAH. UH, SIGN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. YEAH, I THINK WE'LL GET A BRIEFING AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS, BUT I, I MEAN, I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS TO TAKE A PICTURE OF WHAT IT IS AND YOU CAN EMAIL IT OUT TO THE BOARD SO WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE SOME CLUE AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT. AND THEY WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. YEAH. THANK YOU. UH, MARK LIDDEL TOY HERE. THE CITY OF HOUSTON DOES ALLOW, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A BIG PROGRAM. THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAKING $12 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE. AND IT WAS, UH, PUT IN THROUGH, UH, MAYOR SYLVESTER TURNER, FEBRUARY 2ND, OR, YEAH, FEBRUARY 7TH, 2022. SO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE? AMIN, ANYTHING? NO, BUT, UH, JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT, YEAH, WE, WE WILL, UH, DIG INTO IT, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. UH, NOW I DO REMEMBER AT ACTUALLY, UM, A FEW YEARS BACK, YEAH, INNOVATION HAD SOME WAY FINDING SIGNS THAT THEY WANTED TO INSTALL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. MAINLY THEY WERE DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE AT THE VIA BUS STOP, YOU HAVE THE SIDES THEY PUT, PUT IT THERE POTENTIALLY OR NEAR THAT, AND YOU, YOU CLICK ON IT JUST TO FIND CERTAIN THINGS. IT'S A WAY FINDING, UH, SIGN. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ALLOWED IN PARKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO, AGAIN, WE WILL, UH, LOOK INTO THAT AND WE CAN BRING THAT, UH, NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. YEAH. [01:05:01] JEREMY, NEXT ITEM. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T MEAN TO RUSH YOU. THANKS. UM, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? OKAY. OH, SO JUST TO, UH, RECAP, THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY ITEMS WE HAD FOR TODAY. UH, I KNOW THIS IS THE SAME SLIDE WE HAD UP A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, BUT, UH, JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, UH, ONCE AGAIN, AND, UH, WE'LL, WE WILL CORRECT THE ISSUE WITH THE AGENDA. UH, AS I WAS SAYING, WE KIND OF, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE TWO LOCATIONS FOR IT TO BE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENDA AND, UH, ANYTHING'S BEING DISCUSSED FALL UNDER BOTH OF THOSE LOCATIONS. SO ANYBODY HAS, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THEY GO WITH IT. UM, BUT ONCE AGAIN, THE MEETINGS, VIDEOS, IT TAKES ABOUT A WEEK OR SO WITH OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR TO GET THOSE UPLOADED. UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE BOTH THE, UM, ORIGINAL VERSION AND THE SPANISH TRANSLATION, UH, VERSION UPLOADED TO THIS LINK. THIS IS ALSO THE LINK WHERE YOU CAN GO TO, TO VIEW THESE MEETINGS AS WELL AS, AS ALSO THROUGH, UH, SA SPEAK UP. SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS TO BE ABLE TO FIND THESE MEETINGS FOR LIVE STREAMING. AND LASTLY, ONCE AGAIN, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE READ INTO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE OR ANY ITEMS LIKE THIS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE STAFF TO RESEARCH OR BRING TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION, UH, SIGN CODE REVIEW@SANANTONIO.GOV. ALL NO SPACES, NO PUNCTUATION, SIGN CODE REVIEW@SANANTONIO.GOV. UH, EMAIL THAT TO US AND WE WILL, UH, RESPOND AS NEEDED. AND THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM STAFF. JEREMY, ONE THING I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, IF YOU SIGNED, UH, TO VOLUNTEER TO POSSIBLY SERVE WITH US ON THIS COMMITTEE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU GET YOUR, UH, PHONE AND EMAIL ADDRESS. THEY GOT, YOU GOT EVERYONE'S, YOU NEED PHONE NUMBERS. OKAY. SO IF YOU'LL COME BACK AND GET PHONE NUMBERS, BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU IF, IF WE CAN GIVE THEM A CONTACT IN THE CITY TO SEND A BRIEF, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE ONE PARAGRAPH BIO ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK YOU COULD BRING AND ADD TO THE THING. BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE'S NAME ON THE LIST. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THE COMMITTEE IS BALANCED BETWEEN BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND BUSINESS INTERESTS SO THAT WE GET GREAT INPUT TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. AND SO IF YOU WILL JUST, UH, MAYBE SEND OUT, AND THEN YOU CAN SEND OUT TO US AS PART OF THE AGENDA, THOSE BRIEF BIOS, SO THAT BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE NEXT MEETING AND WE'RE MAKING THAT SELECTION, UH, CORRECT, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE USING THIS SAME EMAIL ADDRESS, THE SIGN CODE REVIEW@SANANTONIO.GOV. UH, SO ANYBODY THAT VOLUNTEERED, IF YOU WOULD SEND IT THERE, THEN THAT'LL GET TO ALL THE, UH, APPROPRIATE PEOPLE. WE'LL REVIEW IT AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMITTEE. AND AS, AS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL DO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO, UH, GET THIS OUT THERE TO, UH, INCREASE THAT IF NEEDED, UH, UH, PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITY. UH, SO WE'LL PUT THAT OUT THERE AND LET THEM SEND, UH, THEIR, THEIR VOLUNTEER TO, TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE THROUGH THE SIGN CODE REVIEW@SANANTONIO.GOV. SO IF YOU'RE, UH, WATCHING LIVE OR IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE REVIEW OF THIS, UM, PLEASE SUBMIT TO THAT. WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO GET SOMETHING ON OUR WEBSITE OF KIND OF A DEADLINE ON THAT. UH, PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF TO GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME. OUR NEXT MEETING IS TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. UH, SAME TIME HERE IN THE BUILDING. IT'S FRIDAY AT EIGHT 30. UM, I WANNA SAY THAT MIGHT BE MAY 6TH. AND THEN PROCEDURALLY, DO THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION OR DISCLOSURE OR ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NON, UH, YEAH, I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT, WE'LL, WE'RE, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ATTORNEY TO, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WANTS TO BE ON AND THEN, UM, DEVELOP A, A SELECTION PROCESS. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE TO MAKE THE MEETINGS VERY PRODUCTIVE, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB SO FAR, IS IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR ISSUES YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED OR HAVE COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE CURRENT, UH, SIGN ORDINANCE, OR YOU THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, IF YOU'LL PLEASE SEND IT TO THAT SIGN CODE REVIEW SO THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US AND WE'RE DISCUSSING IN A MEETING, THE STAFF HAS ENOUGH TIME TO RESEARCH IT AND DO THE BACKGROUND ON IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, BOOM, HERE IT IS, AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION SO THAT WE CAN JUST KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING AND TRANSPARENT SO THAT ALL THE RESEARCH CAN BE DONE THAT WE NEED TO DO. THANK YOU. OKAY. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, OFFICIAL MEETING, 'CAUSE IT, I GUESS, UH, WE DON'T NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. YEAH, NO MOTION. I WOULD JUST FOR PROSPERITY, IT'S UH, NINE 40, SO WE'LL END THIS MEETING AT 9:40 AM OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMITTEE. THANK YOU STAKEHOLDERS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.