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TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 4TH, 2022.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE.
CARPENTER HERE GROUP IS ABSENT.
HEY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES.
FOR THE MEETING, WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN STATEMENT, PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER, RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN ORDER TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
MASKS ARE STRONGLY ENCOURAGED FOR ANYONE ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN PERSON.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.
FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY.
APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY.
WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS.
ALL THOSE ATTENDING IN PERSON TODAY ARE VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER.
THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE, SHOUTING, VERBAL INTIMIDATION OR PHYSICAL ACTIONS THAT COULD REASONABLY CONS BE CONSTRUED AS THREATENING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
AND I WILL ASK, OH, HE ALREADY DID IT.
SO ON THE SCREEN YOU SEE OUR WEBSITE FOR PRESERVATION MONTH.
UM, AS A REMINDER, WE CELEBRATE PRESERVATION MONTH IN MAY WITH A SERIES OF EVENTS KIND OF LOOKING AT LOCAL HERITAGE AND ARCHITECTURE AND AND CULTURE.
UM, SO THIS WEBSITE IS A CALENDAR OF EVENTS.
SOME ARE HOSTED BY O H P AND SOME ARE HOSTED BY OUR SPONSORS.
BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF WAYS TO GET ENGAGED OR, OR PARTICIPATE IN THOSE EVENTS.
MOST OF THEM ARE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE MAY BE REGISTRATION.
SO IF YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THOSE, UH, SQUARES, YOU'LL GET THE FULL EVENT INFORMATION AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO REGISTER IN ADVANCE.
UH, WHY DON'T YOU CLICK ON THE HOMEOWNER FAIR, EDWARD.
AND SO OUR SIGNATURE EVENT THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THE HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR.
IT'S THIS SATURDAY AT TRY POINT FROM 10:30 AM TO 3:30 PM UM, IT'LL BE IN THE AIR CONDITIONING, SO NO, DO NOT HESITATE TO ATTEND.
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT TO OFFER, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS AND INFORMATIONAL BOOSTS AND, AND GETTING ENGAGED WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, SO PLEASE MAKE PLANS TO ATTEND THE HOMEOWNER AFFAIR THIS WEEKEND.
UM, ANOTHER THING YOU SHOULD DO FOR UPDATES IS FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
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SO WE ARE SA PRESERVATION ON FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, AND TWITTER.SO THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO GET UP TO DATE INFORMATION ON EVENTS.
UM, EDWARD, IF YOU CAN SWITCH BACK TO THE CASE LIST AND ZOOM IN.
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FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF H D SUBMITTED FROM APRIL 20TH.CAN WE GET A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES AS SUBMITTED FOR APRIL 20TH.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
ITEMS THAT WERE, OH, I HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PERSON IN PER ANY PERSON SPEAKER SIGNED IN TO SPEAK.
UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 5 0 4 KING WILLIAM STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 15.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE RESUBMISSION OF THIS APPLICATION AND CONTINUE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONNECTION DETAILS AND REVERSIBILITY.
THE PROPOSED STAINLESS STEEL RODS EXPOSED INTO THE LIMITING LIME INTO THE EXISTING LIMESTONE WALL IS INVASIVE AND NOT REVERSIBLE.
EPOXY ANCHORS ARE PERMANENT AND WILL DAMAGE THE STONE WALLS WHEN REMOVED.
THE WALL ANCHOR DETAILS ARE THE SAME AS THE DETAILS SUBMITTED FOR THE APRIL 6TH, 2002 TO 22 HEARING, WHICH WERE THEN NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE STAFF.
WHY ARE THEY NOW ACCEPTABLE? THE LIMESTONE WALLS BEHIND THE PLASTER ARE MADE UP OF VARYING SIZED STONES WITH THE RANDOM PATTERN OF MORTAR JOINTS.
THE SUGGESTION THAT THE STAINLESS STEEL RODS ONLY BE IN MORTAR JOINTS IS NOT PRACTICAL.
SINCE THE JOINTS ARE NOT UNIFORMLY LOCATED, THE IDEA THAT THE RODS COULD BE REMOVED AND SIMPLY RE PLASTERED IS AN OVERSIMPLIFICATION.
THE D R C CONCERNS EXPRESSED AT THEIR APRIL 12TH MEETING SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY REGISTERED DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WITH TECHNICAL EXPERTISE IN DEALING WITH HISTORIC STONE AND PLASTER STRUCTURES.
WE SHARE THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY THE D R C ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ADDING AN UPPER BALCONY PERGOLA.
IF THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVE THE UPPER BALCONY PERGOLA A STIPULATION FOR APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT ENGINEERED STRUCTURAL CONNECTION DETAILS WITH PROPER WATERPROOFING OF THE COLUMNS TO THE EXISTING ROOF DECK DESIGNED BY REGISTERED ENGINEER.
THE CURRENT DESIGN SUBMITTED INDICATES THE STEEL TUBE BASE PLACE BEARING ON FOAM INSULATION HARDLY AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION.
WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS DEFER APPROVAL UNTIL THESE TECHNICAL CONCERNS CAN BE RESOLVED.
AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, UM, WE WILL PULL THIS ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION TO CLARIFY AN ITEM.
UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM FIVE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS S CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH DIG WHITTY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH TWO 20, LOCATED AT SIX 18 MUNCIE, WE AGREE WITH O H P STAFF APPROVAL AND STIPULATIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR REPLACING WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
ITEM NUMBER 6 22 1 9 WEST MAGNOLIA.
I'M CALLING ABOUT H D R C AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX H D R C CASE 2 22 DASH 2 4 8 2 2 1 9 WEST MAGNOLIA.
I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, M P N A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M C N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME AND ARE THANKFUL FOR THE DETAILED SUBMISSION AND QUALITY OF DRAWINGS.
FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH THREE, BUT RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITEM ONE FIRST WE REQUEST THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT
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WITH THE HISTORIC HOME IN MATERIAL AND TYPE AND BE INSET RECESSED INTO A TWO FOOT BY SIX FOOT THICK EXTERIOR WALL FRAMING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAIN HOUSE AND HAVE THE SAME SURROUND DETAILING.SECOND, THAT THE PROPOSED WOOD SIDING IS NOT CONSISTENT IN DEPTH OR PROFILE TO THE EXISTING HOME.
THAT ONE BY EIGHT HARDY PLANK WILL LOOK DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN ONE BY EIGHT DROP SIDING AND THERE WILL BE NO SHADOW LINE.
WHILE IT LOOKS COMPATIBLE ON A TWO D DRAWING, IT WILL LOOK INCOMPATIBLE TO THE EXISTING WOOD IN ACTUALITY.
THEREFORE, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE USE OF ARTISAN HARDY PLANK SIGHTING, WHICH WILL PROVIDE THE SHADOW LINES AND A CONSISTENT PROFILE.
WE THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS AND APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THEIR INCLUSION FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
HAVE A GREAT DAY AND THANK YOU.
ITEM 14 OR EXCUSE ME, ITEM TEN ONE FOURTEEN SUITE.
THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 1 4 SWEET STREET.
CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 2 2 8.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND CONCURS WITH STAFF FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATION, AND STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION, A CARPORT DISCUSS CONSTRUCTED IN THE FRONT YARD BEYOND THE FRONT SETBACK LINE AND IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACE OF THE STREET FACADE IS NOT ONLY IN VIOLATION TO SETBACKS REQUIRED BY THE U D C BUT ALSO NOT APPROPRIATE.
ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIC GUIDELINES, THERE ARE NO OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE NATHAN OR KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICTS WITH A CARPORT IN THE FRONT YARD.
THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY KNOWING THAT THE LEGALLY ESTABLISHED PARKING EASEMENT WOULD LIMIT THE ALLOWABLE AREA FOR CONSTRUCTION AND SHOULD NOT BE A JUSTIFICATION FOR VIOLATING THE U D C AND HISTORIC GUIDELINES.
WE THEREFORE RECOMMEND THAT THE REQUEST IN THEM TO ITEM NUMBER TWO TO CONSTRUCT A CARDBOARD CARPORT IN THE FRONT YARD, BE DENIED THE APPLICATION PROVIDED NO INFORMATION REGARDING THE NEW FENCING DESIGN AND MATERIAL CLAUSE SPECIFICATIONS IN ADDITION TO THE STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL OF THE FENCING RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, A FENCE DESIGN WITH MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS THAT WILL COMPLIMENT THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL.
HORIZONTAL BOARDS AND STOCK DOGEARED WOOD PICKETS WOULD NOT COMPLIMENT THE HOME AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT THE DRIVEWAY SWING GATES THAT ENCROACH ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BE CHANGED TO A SLIDING TYPE OF GATE.
UM, THAT'S ALL VOICEMAILS RECEIVED.
DO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION? UH, AND ALSO AGAIN, NOTE THAT ITEM FOUR WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 10.
THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER, UH, SIX PLEASE.
SO WE'VE PULLED FOUR, SIX, AND 10 FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I HAVE A MOTION ON THE BALANCE.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WITH SOME STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ITEM NUMBER 1 2 3 5 7 8 9, 11 AND 12.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1819 NEVADA 400 PROBAND ONE 15 ALAMO PLAZA, SIX 18 MUNCIE ONE 30 WEST ELLWOOD 5 23 EAST ATCH 1440 SOUTHEAST MILITARY, THREE 15 LEE AND 5 27 EAST.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
UM, SO LET'S DO ITEM FOUR NOW, IF, UH, JESS, YOU CAN PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR US.
UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PERGOLAS NOT BE ATTACHED PERMANENTLY
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AND BE A REVERSIBLE CONDITION.WE, HOWEVER, DID HAVE CONFUSION INTERNALLY JUST ABOUT WHAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND SO I HAVE DANIEL CRUZ ON THE, UM, CALLED WHO CAN CONFIRM.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE UPDATED DRAWINGS STILL SHOW THAT THERE'S PROPOSED ANCHORS INTO THE LIMESTONE WALLS, WHICH, WHICH ACTUALLY DO NOT RE RECOMMEND OR DO NOT REFLECT OUR RECOMMENDED STIPULATION.
SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND DANIEL, ARE YOU THERE? UH, YES, I'M HERE.
UH, YEAH, SO WE, YEAH, WE DID HAVE A, WE DID HAVE THIS DISCUSSION, UH, IN THE D R C MEETING, UH, FOR ABOUT 40, ABOUT ALMOST 50.
IT'S ALMOST 50 50 SPLIT OR MAYBE A 40 60 SPLIT.
BUT, UM, 40% OF THIS STRUCTURE, THIS PERGO, IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ATTACHED TO A EXISTING ADDITION.
AND THE OTHER 60% IS GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE, THE MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, VIA THE LIME, UH, VIA, VIA THE, UH, STAINLESS STEEL ALL THREADS.
AND, UH, DURING THE D R C MEETING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED, THEY ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FLOOR PLANS TO KIND OF SHOW WHY THE COLUMN LAYOUT IS WHERE IT IS, ARE, ARE, ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.
UM, AND AFTER DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE OKAY TO PROCEED WITH, UH, ATTACHING TO THE STRUCTURE AS LONG AS THE DETAILS, UH, MET, UH, YOU KNOW, QUALIFICATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR H D R C.
UM, I DO UNDERS WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE STILL ATTACHING TO THE STRUCTURE.
HOWEVER, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS IS A REVERSIBLE ACT.
WE HAVE CONSULTED OUR ENGINEER AND HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS ON, UH, OTHER OPTIONS IN WHI IN WHICH WE COULD, UH, SUPPORT THIS STRUCTURE.
UM, AND, AND, AND IN THE END, THIS IS, THIS IS OUR, OUR PROPOSAL, UM, ADDING COLUMNS ADJACENT TO THE STRUCTURE OR I MEAN, UH, RIGHT OFF THE STRUCTURE, KIND OF OUT OF THE QUESTION AS THEY WILL IMPEDE THE WALKWAY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BRING BACK.
THAT WAS, UH, ONCE THERE PREVIOUSLY, YES.
UM, I WAS PART OF THE D R C MEETING THAT WE HAD RECENTLY ON THIS, AND WE DID ADDRESS A NUMBER OF CONCERNS, UM, NOT LIMITED TO THE ATTACHMENT OF THE PERGOLA, BUT ALSO TO THE UPSTAIRS PERGOLA.
THE DESIGN OVER OVERALL ITS HEIGHT, ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE EXISTING STONE STRUCTURE AS WELL AS SUBSEQUENT ADDITION AND HOW THE COLUMNS ALIGN.
SO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS A NUMBER OF THINGS AS, AS ADEQUATELY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I, MY EXPECTATION WAS A DIFFERENT DETAIL.
UM, I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE IF WE COULD GET A DETAIL THAT WOULD CONFORM TO THE GUIDELINES AND ALSO SAFEGUARD THE ORIGINAL STONE BENEATH THE PLASTER.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
AND I, I SEE WE HAVE THE SAME DETAIL, SO I WOULD WANT TO SEE EITHER ANOTHER DETAIL THAT DOES NOT, UM, UM, IMPACT THE ORIGINAL LIMESTONE OR, UM, ANOTHER SOLUTION.
I WAS ALSO PART OF THE, UH, THE D R C AND, AND, UH, CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.
UM, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAD WAS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONDED TO IT SOMEWHAT, IS THAT THE, THE UPPER, UH, PERLA ELEMENT, UM, THAT'S ON THE, ON THE TERRACE ON THE UPPER DECK, WAS IT, IT FELT A LITTLE TOO RUSTIC.
IT WAS KIND OF MORE OF A, A WOOD GARDEN LIKE STRUCTURE AND LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE TRIED TO REFINE THAT A BIT WITH, UH, TAKING CUES FROM THE EXISTING, UM, UM, ELEMENTS THAT ARE UP THERE.
UM, I STILL, HOWEVER, FEEL LIKE THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING ON WITH THE, UM, THAT UPPER TERRACE AND THAT, UM, THESE, THESE ELEMENTS ARE, ARE, UH, ADDING TOO MUCH VISUAL CLUTTER TO WHAT IS OTHERWISE A REALLY, UH, BEAUTIFUL AND ELEGANT STRUCTURE.
UH, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY OPPOSED TO THE, UM, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S DOWN BELOW THAT'S, UH, AT GRADE LEVEL THOUGH I WISH IT WERE, UH, FREESTANDING RATHER THAN ANCHORING INTO THE BUILDING.
SO WE COULD AVOID THIS WHOLE ATTACHMENT TO THE, UH, TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.
AND, AND THEN IT COULD BE MORE, UH, READILY REVERSIBLE.
LOOKING AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE PERGOLA.
AND IT SAYS THAT THEY'RE REVERSIBLE INSTALLING AND REVERSIBLE CONDITION AND ARE INDEPENDENT STRUCTURES THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ATTACHMENT TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
AND THE DETAIL STILL SHOWS USING THE ALL THREAD ANCHORING TO THE EXIST PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
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UH, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU HAD AGREED WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THIS, UM, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THIS CONCERN, MR. CRUZ? UM, WHAT, UH, HONESTLY SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS, IS DETACH FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
SO IF WE LOOK AT, IF WE CAN LOOK AT FLOOR AT THE FLOOR PLAN ON, UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE SHEET HERE.
YEAH, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE HOW THIS SAYS EXISTING ADDITION, EXISTING RESIDENCE? UM, WE'LL MOST LIKELY JUST WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE AN AL ON AL ON AN ALTERNATIVE.
UM, AND WHERE WE'LL HAVE A FREESTANDING COLUMNS ON THE EXISTING RESIDENT PORTION, WHICH IS DEPICTED ON THE LEFT SIDE.
UH, WITH THE HATCHED, UH, LINES, WE'LL PROBABLY JUST HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL COLUMNS AT THAT POINT AND RESUBMIT IT.
WE, WE DO HAVE SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH A, WITH AN EXISTING BASEMENT IN THAT LOCATION.
SO, UM, IT WILL REQUIRE OBVIOUSLY MORE ENGINEERING.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ABOUT A 60 40 SPLIT, ACTUALLY, IT'S PROBABLY MORE 40% ON THE EXISTING RESIDENCE AND ON THE EXISTING EDITION, WE, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE FINE TO ATTACH THERE.
SO, UH, WE CAN RESUBMIT WITH, UH, NEW DETAILS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THE COMMISSION COMFORTABLE WITH ALLOWING STAFF TO REVIEW THOSE DETAILS OR DO WE WANT TO, UM, BRING THIS BACK AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS A CHANCE TO REDESIGN THE STRUCTURE? I, I THINK, UM, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH IN ACCORD WITH STAFF AS FAR AS THE, THE DETACHING ASPECT OF, OF THIS.
IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE TO, TO ADMINISTER THAT.
IF, IF THEY COME DOWN, COME BACK WITH A DETAIL THAT'S STILL TYING INTO THE, UH, HISTORIC MASONRY, THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE A FLAG ON THE FIELD AND WE'LL NEED TO HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE COMMENT FROM THE KING WILLIAM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
I KNOW THE, UM, THE COLUMN BASES UP AT THE UPPER, UH, TERRACE ARE, UM, EXISTING ALREADY INSTALLED.
CAN YOU COMMENT ON THE, THE, THEIR COMMENT REGARDING, UH, IT BEARING ON, UH, ON I GUESS, UH, RIGID INSULATION? YES, I CAN.
UM, AFTER, AFTER READING THEIR, UH, THEIR LETTER, I HAD LOOKED BACK AT THE DETAIL AND THERE ACTUALLY IS A DISCREPANCY.
IT IS ACTUALLY NOT CONSTRUCTED THAT WAY.
THE, UH, STEEL FOOTINGS ACTUALLY SIT ON THE DECKING WITH, UH, BEAMS BELOW.
I THINK, UH, THERE WAS JUST A OVERLOOK, UH, FROM, FROM OUR DRAFTSMEN.
UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THAT, UH, EDITED AND RESUBMITTED.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S JUST A, A, YOU KNOW, UH, A DRAWING MISTAKE AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN REFER TO SHEET 10, YOU ALMOST LIKE YOU CAN FIND THAT DETAIL, BUT I WILL HAVE THAT UPDATED AND, UH, RESUBMITTED UPON, UH, AFTER THIS MEETING.
WELL, AND YOU HAD MADE, MADE THE MENTION DURING THE D R C THAT, UM, THE PROJECT HAD ALREADY RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THAT UPPER, UH, PERGOLA ELEMENT, BUT IT WAS CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT IN DESIGN.
I THINK IT WAS SEEN AS SORT OF MORE OF A LIGHT METALLIC STRUCTURE UP THERE THAT SEEMED MORE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE IN MY MIND.
UM, YOU HAVE MADE SOME ALTERATIONS TRYING TO, UH, LIGHTEN ITS APPEARANCE, BUT I'M WONDERING IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UH, ANY KIND OF CONCERN, UH, SHARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT ELEMENT.
I GUESS I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THAT IT, WITH ALL THE DETAIL AND, AND DECORATIVE ELEMENTS OF THAT UPPER PERGOLA, IT DOES DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A BIT.
UM, AND I'M WONDERING MIGHT IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF IT WERE PAINTED A SIMILAR COLOR TO THE STUCCO RATHER THAN BEING A, A RUSTIC FINISH? WHAT DO YOU THINK? WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION, MR. CRUZ TO PAINT THE UPPER PERGOLA? POSSIBLY, YEAH.
I'D HAVE TO PERHAPS TO CONSULT MY CLIENT AND, UH, VERIFY THAT, THAT THAT'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
SO WE CAN EXPLORE THAT OPTION.
DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
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DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, A REVISED, UH, DETAIL SHOWING, UH, THAT THE, UH, THE GROUND-BASED PERGOLA NOT TIE INTO THE HISTORIC MASONRY AND BE SELF-SUPPORTED WITH COLUMNS.COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I'LL SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS THE ONE WHO PULLED THIS CASE AND, UM, IT WOULD BASED UPON THE, UH, THE COMMENTS FROM THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ONE DAY ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, ARE BEING REQUESTED BY YOUR NEIGHBORS, SPECIFICALLY IN SETTING THE WINDOWS SO YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SHADOW LINE, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TRADITIONAL LOOK AND, UM, USING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TRIM THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO THE HOUSE.
THE SECOND STIPULATION WAS TO USE A, A SLIGHTLY THICKER SIDING MATERIAL AND THEY, THEY QUOTED ARTISAN, UH, OR CITED ARTISAN AS A, AS A AS ONE PRODUCT OPTION.
BUT THERE ARE OTHERS OUT THERE.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS JUST TO GET A SIMILAR KINDA SHADOW LINE WITH, UH, WITH THE EXISTING SIDING.
WOULD THE APPLICANT BE WILLING TO, UH, AGREE TO THOSE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS? I'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET BACK WITH MY CLIENT, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY SHE WILL BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UM, STIPULATIONS THAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.
UH, WOULD WE BE COMING BACK AND JUST SHOWING THEM THAT WE ARE ABIDING BY THAT? OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WELL, JUST TO COMMENT THAT IF YOUR, IF YOUR CLIENT IS, IS OPPOSED TO THAT, IF YOU GO BACK, I MEAN YOU CAN COME BACK TO WORK WITH STAFF AND FIGURE OUT HOW, IF YOU, YOU WANNA MAKE A, UM, ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL TO, TO THE COMMISSION.
BUT OTHERWISE I, I MOVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL TWO STIPULATIONS THAT I JUST DESCRIBED FROM THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO BE REVIEWED, APPROVED BY THE STAFF.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
I'M NATE MANFORD WITH FRENCHER, MICHIGAN.
WE'RE REPRESENTING THE 1 1 4 SUITE AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT IT, SO, OKAY.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SAVINO PULLED THAT.
I PULLED THIS CASE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY, UM, CONCERN AND THEN I HAD OF COURSE SOME CONCERNS OF MY OWN TOO.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT CARPORT? YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN CONCERN IS THE CARPORT, UH, UNDERSTANDABLE.
UM, AND WE ARE REQUESTING TO PROVIDE A PROTECTED CAR PARKING SPOT, MOSTLY OBVIOUSLY IN ITS POSITION BECAUSE THE SITE IS CONSTRAINED BY EASEMENTS THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE BY THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER OF THE SURROUNDING AND PROPERTY BEHIND.
AND SO WHEN THE OWNER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THEY DID, THEY WERE AWARE OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS, BUT HAVE REQUESTED TO DO SOME PROTECTED CAR PARKING THAT'S OFF THE STREET.
AND SO WE ARE ALLOTTED THAT LITTLE PORTION TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE.
AND SO WE PROPOSED A VERY MINIMAL DISCONNECTED CARPORT FOR CAR PROTECTION.
TRY TO PUSH IT AS FAR AWAY FROM THE MAIN HOUSE AS WE COULD.
WE'D PREFERABLY LIKE IT TO BE AS MINIMAL PROFILE AS POSSIBLE.
PERHAPS PAINT IT BLACK SO THAT IT DISAPPEARS.
WE ARE AWARE THAT PUTTING IT IN THAT LOCATION IS CONTROVERSIAL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CLIENT, WE HAVE NO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES OR OPTIONS OR LOCATIONS TO PLACE THAT.
SO, AND IF WE GO BACK TO THE REMAINDER COMMENTS FOR THE FENCING, WE WILL PROVIDE DETAILS FOR FENCING FOR NOW THE HOUSE IS BEING LEVELED.
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SO, YOU KNOW, OTHER DETAILS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE WILL BE SKIRTING AROUND THE, THE PERIMETER OF THE FOUNDATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.SO WE'RE AWARE THAT THERE WILL BE DETAILS FORTHCOMING, BUT THOSE THINGS WILL PROBABLY BE KIND OF THE LAST THINGS CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THE, UM, GOING TO THE FENCING FIRST BECAUSE IT'S EASY.
UH, THE PRIVACY FENCING IS, UH, ASSUMING IT'S WOOD, UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE.
THERE WAS INITIAL DISCUSSION ABOUT A BLOCK FENCE OR A CONCRETE FENCE, AND PART OF IT WAS TRYING TO RELATE TO WHAT THE DEVELOPER HAD PLACED FOR PARKING ALONG THE CORNER OVER THERE WITH SOME VINES GROWING UP.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE OVERKILL AND, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CLIENT.
BUT PART OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, CARS THAT ARE GONNA PARK UP RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE
SO I THINK THE GOAL WILL BE ULTIMATELY WOOD.
BECAUSE, UH, NEXT TO SOMETHING WITH SO MUCH TRAFFIC, YES, YOU WANT AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER.
UM, SO IS THAT AREA, UM, WHERE THAT EASEMENT IS ALONG AND ALSO ALONG THE BACKSIDE, IS THAT NOT AN ALLEYWAY? THERE IS AN, SO THERE IS AN ALLEYWAY FOR ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE RESTAURANT AND TO THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THERE.
UHHUH
SO WAS THAT PUBLIC? WAS THAT ALLEYWAY PUBLIC AND IT WAS ABANDONED? IS THAT HOW THAT HAPPENED? UM, THE REASON WHY IS, HOW LIKELY WILL THAT BE USED IS PARKING, I GUESS IS THE ALLEY WILL NOT BE USED AS PARKING OR YOU MEAN THE PARKING SPACE BEHIND THERE? UHHUH
I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER GENERATED THAT MOSTLY FOR SPACE FOR DELIVERIES.
UM, I SHOULD HAVE A BETTER AERIAL SHOWING HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, AND GOING TO THE FRONT FENCE.
UM, THAT REMAINS, YEAH, THAT REMAINS, AND THE OWNER INTENDS TO HOPEFULLY RESTORE THAT.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS AS A REQUEST, THE INSTALL A PRIVACY FENCE, UM, ON SITE.
I THINK HAVING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, UH, NOW IS THE BEST, THE BEST TIME RATHER THAN RETURNING.
SO IF YOU'RE PRETTY, UH, UH, DEFINITE THAT IT'LL BE A PRIVACY FENCE, WOOD PRIVACY FENCE.
WE'LL DO A WOOD PRIVACY FENCE THAT WILL START SOMEWHERE BEHIND THE FRONT CORNERS OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND AGAIN, MOSTLY TO PROTECT FOR PRIVACY FOR CARS, PARKING IN AND TO PROTECT THE HOUSE FROM CARS PARKING IN THAT WEST SIDE.
UM, BUT ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WILL PROBABLY BE A WOOD.
UM, WELL I KNOW IT'LL BE WOOD, BUT IT'LL PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, A THREE FOOT FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND GOING TO THE CARPORT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CLIENT'S, UH, DESIRE TO HAVE PROTECTED PARKING.
I THINK HAVING IT OFF STREET IS A GOOD FIRST STEP.
UM, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE EVEN IF IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL AND MINIMAL AND VERY DELICATE STRUCTURE, I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF BUILT.
THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO MENTIONED, UM, POSSIBLY CHANGING THE SWINGING GATE, WHICH SWINGS OUT ACROSS THE, THE SIDEWALK TO A, UH, SLIDING GATE OR A ROLLING GATE.
DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR CLIENT WOULD BE WILLING THAT, I MEAN I CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH CLIENT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED.
IT'S THE ORIGINAL, I GUESS, ORIGINAL METAL GATE.
SO AT THIS POINT WE WERE HOPING TO KEEP THAT INTACT.
SO THAT'S THE EXISTING METAL GATE? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, I MEAN, I CAN EXPLORE WITH THE CLIENT WHETHER THEY'RE WILLING TO DO A ROLLING GATE SITUATION THERE OR NOT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT MAINTAINING THE STREET, THE STREET FENCE OR THE STREET GATE.
'CAUSE IT'S, I MEAN THE, THE, WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT REMAINS AS IT IS AND YOU'RE WORKING BEHIND IT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UM, MY INITIAL REACTION TO THE CARPORT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, I, UH, I DROVE BY THERE EARLIER AND I'VE JUST BEEN STUDYING THE GOOGLE EARTH VIEW AND LOOKING AT THE ADJACENCY.
I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIGHT IN THAT IT'S VERY, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, AN ESTABLISHED PATTERN THAT WE WOULD SEE A CARPORT IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, BUT AFTER FURTHER LOOKING AT THE ADJACENCY AND THE PARKING EASEMENTS, UM, I THINK THIS IS, I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS A, A REASONABLE APPLICATION OF THE CARPORT LOCATION.
I'LL BE SUPPORTING, SUPPORTING WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT I DO WANNA HEAR FROM, UH, SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US A LITTLE BIT FURTHER
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THE, THE SITUATION THAT LED TO THE PARKING EASEMENT BEING PLACED ON THE PROPERTY TO BEGIN WITH? SO THIS WAS ALL OWNED BY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER.UM, AND HE DEVELOPED THE CAMP OUTPOST RESTAURANT AND THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S ALL INTERCONNECTED.
I THINK AT ONE POINT, FROM MEETING WITH HIM PRIOR TO, RIGHT PRIOR TO THE SALE WITH THE CLIENT, HE, I THINK AT ONE POINT WANTED TO TURN THIS INTO LIKE AN AIRBNB OR SOMETHING, BUT I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, BUT HE DID, RIGHT PRIOR TO THE SALE, HE DID REQUEST TO, YOU KNOW, PLACE THESE EASEMENTS AND THOSE EASEMENTS WERE STILL BEING DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
UNTIL LIKE THE DAY BEFORE THE SALE WAS FINALIZED AND WENT THROUGH.
AND IT WAS HONESTLY, IT WAS, UM, DISCUSSED WITH THE CLIENT PRIOR TO THE SALE.
SO I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS LIVED IN LE BACA AND KING WILLIAM, SO, YOU KNOW, SHE'S AWARE OF HISTORICAL REQUIREMENTS.
CAN I SAY SHE'S COMPLETELY AWARE OF THE CARPORT REQUIREMENTS AND LOCATIONS.
I, I CAN'T, BUT YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS REALLY SURPRISING, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU HAVE A, A A, AN ALLEY THAT'S SORT OF BUFFERING BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD IMPOSE FURTHER RESTRICTIONS UPON THIS.
AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE, AS THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, LAID OUT AND IMPROVED THEIR PARKING FOR THEIR LOCATION, THE HEAD END PARKING, THERE'S THE LITTLE PAD THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO BASICALLY THAT LINE OF THE PARKING IS THE PARKING EASEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY HAVE BEEN USING THAT AND THEY HAD TO IMPROVE THAT, BUT IT HAD NOT BEEN PLACED IN AS AN EASEMENT PRIOR TO THE SALE OF THIS HOUSE BECAUSE THIS HOUSE WAS PART OF THEIR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS, SO THERE IS PARKING RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSE THAT THEY HAVE PUT BASICALLY PARALLEL OR HEAD IN PARKING RIGHT BACK THERE.
I MEAN, AND THEY'RE GREASE TRAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S A REALLY ODD CONDITION AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS COMMISSION EXISTS SO THAT THESE ODD CONDITIONS CAN BE KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, NOODLED THROUGH AND DETERMINE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.
I THINK GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF PARKING THAT'S TAKING PLACE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME SUPPORTING YET ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, A STRUCTURED ELEMENT THAT CLOSE, UM, IN THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S JUST BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE A CAR LOT RATHER THAN A RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOT.
SO, UM, WHILE I'M, I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE PLIGHT THAT, UH, THIS OWNER HAS.
I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF PART OF THE, THE, THE DEAL THAT SHE, SHE DID WITH THEM WAS TO ACCEPT THAT SORT OF LIMITATION.
SO I I, I CANNOT SUPPORT HAVING A, UM, A, UM, CARPORT STRUCTURE OUT IN FRONT OF THE, THE HOUSE.
AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES ON THIS.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, FOR ITEM ONE, ITEM STIPULATION ONE AND TWO AND FOR ITEM TWO A DENIAL OF THE CARPORT AND UM, APPROVALS OF STAFF RE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
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AGENDA, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF NOTES.ITEM 16 AND ITEM 20, UM, HAVE BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY.
UM, AND THEN AT THE REQUEST OF THE CHAIR, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED.
23 AND 24, UM, WHERE THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND SO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE CHAIR, WE CAN HEAR THOSE FIRST SO THAT THEY'RE NOT WAITING FOR THE HEARING.
YES, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE, IF THERE'S NO
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OPPOSITION FROM THE COMMISSION, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD.SINCE THE APPLICANTS HAVE AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, THIS WOULD BE ITEMS 23 AND 24.
SO ITEM 23, ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 3 6 1 1 5 QUEENS CRESCENT.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE ONE EXISTING VINYL WINDOW AND A NON-ORIGINAL OPENING AND MODIFY THE OPENING TWO, REPLACE TWO EXISTING SASH WINDOWS WITH WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REPLACEMENT OF AN EXISTING WINDOW AND MODIFICATION OF AN OPENING IS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING.
B STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR REPLACEMENT OF TWO EXISTING METAL WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE NEW WINDOWS ARE ONE OVER ONE TO MATCH THE EXISTING PROFILE WINDOWS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
UM, ANGELA BLAKE IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
UM, SHE'S NOTED THAT SHE'S CONSENTING TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO ANGELA, YOU SHOULD GET A UNMUTE REQUEST.
WE REQUEST THAT UM, YOU FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE ALSO AGREE WITH THE STIPULATIONS.
WITH THAT CONFIRMED I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AND BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH 24, UM, THAT APPLICANT CAN JOIN LATER, UM, IS NOT ABLE TO JOIN AT THIS EXACT MOMENT, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE CONFIRMATION IN WRITING THAT THEY AGREE TO STIPULATIONS.
YES, WE DO HAVE CONFIRMATION IN WRITING THAT THEY'RE AGREEING TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I THINK THEY SAID THEY WERE ABLE TO JOIN AT FOUR 15 SO WE COULD DELAY, UM, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD PREFER.
WELL IF WE HAVE IT IN WRITING FROM THE APPLICANT, I'M GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD.
IF THE COMMISSION IS MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION.
LET'S READ IT INTO THE RECORD FIRST.
EXCUSE ME, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN ACTION.
EXCUSE ME, SORRY, I'M MOVING TOO FAST.
SO THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 24, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 12 3 0 4.
SADIE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING HOT WATER HEATER CLOSET AND MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING REAR ADDITION TO FACILITATE THE INSTALLATION OF A SCREENED PORCH.
TWO, MODIFY THE FRONT FENESTRATION BY REMOVING A NON-ORIGINAL DOOR ON THE FRONT FACADE AND REPLACING IT WITH A WINDOW.
THREE, MODIFY THE FRONT FENESTRATION BY REMOVING AND AND CLOSING THE OPENING OF AN ORIGINAL DOOR FROM THE SIDE OF THE FRONT PORCH.
MODIFY THE WEST ELEVATION FENESTRATION BY REPLACING THE NON-ORIGINAL CASEMENT WINDOW AT THE REAR OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WITH A TRADITIONAL ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW.
MODIFY THE WEST ELEVATION FENESTRATION BY REPLACING THE NON-ORIGINAL CASEMENT WINDOW TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE WITH A WOOD WINDOW AND OVERHEAD TRANSOM WINDOW.
ITEM NUMBER SIX, MODIFY THE WEST ELEVATION FENESTRATION BY INSTALLING ONE NEW ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW IN THE BAY WHERE THE WATER HEATER WAS REMOVED.
ONE NEW WOOD, ONE NEW WINDOW AT THE REAR TO REPLACE THE REMOVED CASEMENT WINDOW AND INSTALLING ONE DOOR AND OVERHEAD TRANSOM WINDOW BETWEEN THE NEW BAY WINDOW AND EXISTING ONE OVER ONE WINDOW.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, MODIFY THE WEST ELEVATION FENESTRATION BY REPLACING ONE EXISTING GABLE VENT WITH A SQUARE WOOD CASEMENT WINDOW.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, MODIFY THE EAST ELEVATION FENESTRATION REPLACING THE EXISTING 28 BY 48.
ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW WITH THAT IS WITH ONE THAT IS TRADITIONAL IN SIZE AND PROFILE.
REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD WITH A FOUR FOOT CATTLE PANEL FENCE IN THE REAR CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH SIX FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCING.
ITEM NUMBER 10, REPLACE THE EXISTING PRESSBOARD SKIRTING WITH WOOD SKIRTING TO MATCH THE HOUSE SIDING.
PERFORM VARIOUS SCOPES OF WORK TO INCLUDE REPAIR OF THE EXISTING SIDING FOUNDATION, REPAIR AND REPAINTING THE EXTERIOR.
MODIFY THE CURB CUT OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES.
13, REMOVE THE CARPORT AND 14, RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX.
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CHAIRMAN, I'M ALSO, SHOULD I ALSO READ STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I'M SORRY.JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON THE SCREEN HANNAH.
SO I'VE MOVED FOR APPROVAL WITH OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH, IS IT 15 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? WE HAVE A MOTION.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 H C R C.
UM, ADDRESS INTERSECTION OF HOWARD AND WEST ATCH.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL NEW A D A RAMPS AT THE INTERSECTION OF OF HOWARD STREET AND WEST ATCH AVENUE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE HISTORIC CURBING IS RETAINED AND ANY CURBING THAT REQUIRES REPLACEMENT MATCHES THE EXISTING IMMATERIAL WITH END PROFILE.
TWO, THAT HISTORIC CONCRETE STAMPS BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED DURING POURING THREE THAT THE APPLICANT MATCHED THE EXISTING SIDEWALK CONFIGURATIONS IN THE MONTE VISTA DISTRICT, INCLUDING PLACEMENT AND DIRECTIONAL RAMPS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ATCH AND THE EXISTING LOCATIONS WHERE SIDEWALKS MEET THE CURB INSTEAD OF INSTALLING DIAGONAL RAMPS AT THE CORNER.
UPDATED DRAWINGS THAT REFLECT THAT STIPULATIONS MUST BE APPROVED BY O H P STAFF FOR APPROVAL AND FOR THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE.
THE APPLICANT MIRANDA GARRISON IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
MIRANDA, ARE YOU THERE? HI, YES I AM.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN TO WHAT WE PROPOSE THAT'S LIKE AN EXISTING KEEP GOING DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME EXISTING, UM, HISTORIC STAMPS THAT WE ARE GOING TO, UM, SAFELY REMOVE AND THEN PUT BACK IN THE, IN THE EXACT SPOT WHERE WE TAKE THEM OUT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, THE ONLY STIPULATION WE ARE ASKING TO NOT ADHERE TO THAT O H P IS RECOMMENDING IS TO DO DIRECTIONAL A D A RAMPS ONLY BECAUSE THE EXISTING A D A RAMP THAT IS THERE IS NOT DIRECTIONAL.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE CORNER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S THE, UM, SOUTH WEST CORNER, UM, THAT IS THE EXISTING, IT IS NOT DIRECTIONAL.
AND IN ORDER TO DO DIRECTIONAL, WE WOULD, IT'S A WEIRD INTERSECTION IF YOU COULD SHOW THE EXISTING ONE THAT'S THE SOUTHWEST CORNER KEEP GOING UP.
THERE SHOULD BE ONE THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING CORNER THAT THAT'S THE EXISTING ONE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE OTHER THREE TO THAT.
UH, THIS EXISTING ONE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, A D A RAMP DOES DIRECT THE, UH, THE PERSONS USING THE, THE RAMP TO THE CROSSWALK, THE STRIPED CROSSWALK, UH, PAINTING AND THE YES, THE DRAWING THAT WE SAW BEFORE.
AND IT MAY JUST BE A, A DRAWING CONVENTION THAT THE CROSSWALK STRIPING DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT ALIGNS WITH THE RAMPS.
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THIS THE EXISTING CONDITION, WILL THAT BE SIMILAR ON THE OTHER, UH, CORNERS WHERE THE PEOPLE COMING DOWN THE, THE A D A RAMP WILL BE MORE OR LESS DIRECTED TO THE PAINTED STRIPES RATHER THAN YES.RATHER THAN OUT INTO THE, UH, DRIVE SURFACE? YES.
WE WILL MAKE IT SO THAT IT, THAT IT MATCHES THE EXISTING ONE ON ALL FOUR CORNERS.
SO YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE STRIPING THERE, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE BOTTOM, UM, CORNER, BUT THEN FOR, FOR THE OTHER PART OF THE STREET WHERE THE TRUCK IS, THERE WILL ALSO BE STRIPING THERE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, ALONG THOSE SAME LINES THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY HAS KIND AN EXCEPTION TO THAT WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST CURB.
UM, WHERE IT, IT APPEARS TO KIND OF DELIVER PEOPLE DOWN TO THE STRIPING THAT HEADS TO THE SOUTH, BUT IT'S, IT, YOU HAVE TO SORT OF DOUBLE BACK AND GO TO THE NORTH TO GET TO THE, UH, CROSSWALK THAT GOES FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD MOVE, WE WOULD REDO STRIPING TO MEET WHERE THE DIR UH, WHERE THE A D A RAMPS WILL GO.
SO IT'LL BE PULLED TO THE SOUTH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR.
COULD YOU PULL THOSE UP ONTO THE SCREEN PLEASE? I, ALL RIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 39 7 0 2 HAYES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, INCLUDING INSTALLING A NEW SHINGLE ROOF AND PAINTING.
TWO, PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, INCLUDING RAISING THE EXISTING FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT AND EXI, EXTENDING THE FRONT GABLE PORT ROOF BY ONE FOOT ON EACH SIDE.
THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND FOUR CONSTRUCT REAR DI ADDITION TO FEATURE 800 SQUARE FEET.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, REHABILITATION REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROFILE AND DETAILS OF THE EXISTING ROOF INCLUDING THE PORCH ROOF BE PRESERVED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATIONS TO THE FINISHED FLOOR SLASH FOUNDATION HEIGHT AND PORCH ROOF MODIFICATIONS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS BOTH REMAIN AS THEY EXIST ORIGINALLY.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE.
WINDOW REPLACEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE REPAIRED.
IF WOOD WINDOWS ARE BEYOND REPAIR, THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS REQUIRED FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
UH, ONE THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ADDITIONS ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
SHOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IN ADDITIONS, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S TEAM ARE HERE IN PERSON.
IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
UM, I LIVE IN HILL COUNTRY VILLAGE.
I'M THE MAYOR THERE, SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S HARD TO FILL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
UH, I LIVE IN, UH, 1 6 3 1 1 HIDDEN VIEW, CITY OF HILL COUNTRY VILLAGE, BUT IT'S RIGHT BEHIND HIDDEN FOREST IN SAN ANTONIO
AND SO, UH, BUT I'VE BEEN A SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT SINCE THE SEVENTIES.
UM, ANYWAY, UM, ON THIS PROJECT WE AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH ITEMS ONE AND FOUR AND, UH, ON ITEM TWO,
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I MAY HAVE THESE, UH, MIXED UP HERE, BUT ON THE, UH, REAR EDITION, I THINK WE WERE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE THE LAST TIME WE, WE MET WITH THE, WITH THE, THE CITY.SO, UH, PARDON ME, ITEM FOUR IS THE REAR EDITION.
ITEM FOUR IS THE REAR DISTRICT.
UM, ITEM, SORRY, I'LL PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN HERE.
THAT'LL HELP ME BECAUSE, UM, ITEM TWO WAS THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATION.
SO BASICALLY THE RAISING OF THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, ANTONIO MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS FOR, UH, OR TO PROVIDE MORE, UH, CEILING HEIGHT WITHIN THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THEN ITEM THREE WAS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WOOD WINDOWS.
UH, SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, WE JUST NEED TO DISCUSS ITEMS TWO AND THREE, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
ON, UM, ON THE, THE CEILING HEIGHT, WE MET WITH THE, WITH YOUR, UH, COMMITTEE AND WE AGREE THAT 13 WAS, UH, TOO AMBITIOUS, UH, 13 FOOT PLATE HEIGHT.
UH, MR. CARPENTER, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
UH, BUT WE HAVE FOUND DOZENS THAT ARE NINE AND 10 FEET IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING A 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHT, BUT IT'LL LOOK LIKE NINE BECAUSE WE WILL COFFER THE CEILING.
AND SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
IT WOULD BE IN KEEPING WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND, UH, AND I THINK THAT ADDRESSES MOSTLY ITEM NUMBER TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, WELL, I, THAT COMMENT DOES ADDRESS IT.
I THINK STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN WOULD BE, UH, WITH THE RAISING OF THE CEILING HEIGHT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S ALSO PROPOSED, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO, TO, UH, ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS.
SO THE, UH, GABLE ENDS ON THE PORCH WOULD BE EXTENDED.
UH, THE COLUMNS WOULD BE MODIFIED IN HEIGHT, UH, TO BASICALLY, UH, INCREASE IN PROPORTION TO CONTINUE TO BE PROPORTIONATE WITH THE EXISTING, UH, CEILING HEIGHT.
SO, UM, IT ESSENTIALLY ALL, MANY ORIGINAL ELEMENTS WOULD BE CHANGING.
UM, AND THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT, UM, FOUNDATION HEIGHTS, UH, SHOULD REMAIN AS THEY WERE ORIGINAL.
UH, SO THAT'S PRIMARILY STAFF'S REC, WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDED AGAINST, UH, THE INCREASE IN THE FLOOR HEIGHT.
FLOOR TO CEILING HEIGHT OR FLOOR HEIGHT? ALL OF IT.
THE INCREASE IN THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT, THE INCREASE IN THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT, AND THE INCREASE IN THE CEILING HEIGHT.
I MIGHT INVITE, UH, UH, ANTONIO AND OUR, UH, AND OUR CLIENT UP HERE TO ADDRESS THE FLOOR HEIGHT BECAUSE I THINK THE CEILING HEIGHT WE HAD SOLVED THAT BY WELL, AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR EVERYONE, WE ONLY HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE CHANGES THAT YOU SEE ON THE EXTERIOR.
ON THE INTERIOR, TALKING ABOUT LIKE COVERING THE CEILING, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE EVEN CONSIDER, BUT INCREASE IN THE WALL HEIGHT AND, AND FOUNDATION HEIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
WELL, LET ME BE VERY CLEAR THEN.
BY REDUCING THE PLATE HEIGHT FROM THE ORIGINAL 13 FEET TO NINE FEET WITH A COMFORT CEILING OF 10, WE ARE STILL IN KEEPING WITH THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING WAS.
SO IT'S NOT 13 FEET, 13 FEET IS WHAT, WHAT WAS, UH, AN ISSUE BEFORE.
SO THE EAVES AROUND THE, THE PERIMETER OF THE HOUSE WILL REMAIN AT THE SAME LEVEL.
WE HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT THEM, BUT YES, THEY WOULD BE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT THEY ARE.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO BASICALLY REBUILD A BUILDING, YOU KNOW.
BUT THE INITIAL SCOPE THAT WE SHOWED YOU AT 13 FEET, I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS PRE, UH, PRESENTED BEFORE WE SHOWED UP ON THE SCENE, BUT THE 13 FEET IS NO LONGER THE, THE CASE THAT THAT WAS PRESENTED A FEW WEEKS AGO.
SO WHAT IS THE EXISTING HEIGHT RIGHT NOW OF THE TOP WALL PLATE? NINE FOOT TWO.
AND SO YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO INCREASE IT TO, WELL, MY, OUR PROPOSAL NOW IS JUST TO KEEP THE, THE, UH, THE SAME PLATE HEIGHT AT NINE FOOT TWO.
UM, BUT NOW WITH THE COFFERED CEILING ON THE INSIDE, UH, TO, UH, AT 10 FEET.
YOUR DRAWINGS STILL SHOW 10 FEET.
UM, I HAD, SO ON THE SCREEN NOW, I HAVE, UH, A REVISION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED TO BASICALLY, UH, WHAT WOULD ADDRESS STAFF'S CONCERNS.
SO THE EXTERIOR WOULD REMAIN THE SAME BUT THEN ALLOW THEM TO ACCOMPLISH ON THE INTERIOR, UH, WHAT THEY'VE SET OUT FOR? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE EXTERIOR, THE, UH, ALL AROUND THE HOUSE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
SO THEN GETTING YOUR CEILING HEIGHT
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ON THE INSIDE, YOU'LL GO UP TO THE TOP OF THE EXISTING WALL, AND THEN YOU'LL ANGLE, ANGLE FOLLOWING THE ROOF LINE AND THEN, UH, A NEW CEILING JOIST? YES, SIR.ON THE WINDOWS, THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.
UH, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY BEYOND, UH, YOU'VE WORKED WITH WINDOWS LIKE THIS.
I MEAN, SOME OF THEM ARE BEYOND REHAB AND WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE CONSISTENT, SO WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE, TO BE REPLACED.
WE HEARD THE COMMENTS ABOUT THEM BEING WOOD CLAD OR WOOD WINDOWS.
AND SO I THINK THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS WE WERE GONNA GO WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT ARE CLAD WITH WOOD ON THE OUTSIDE IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR YOUR, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION.
IS THAT CORRECT, CUBA? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I WENT AND TOOK PICTURES AND, YOU KNOW, HOPING THAT THEY WOULD PAINT A PICTURE OF, OF WHAT THE WINDOWS ARE LIKE IN THE CONDITION.
SIR, CAN YOU USE THE MIC PLEASE? YEAH.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WOULD WANT TO COME OUT AND LOOK IN PERSON, BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PAINT STUCK.
THERE'S SOME THAT ARE NON-ORIGINAL ALREADY ON THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THE PULLEYS ARE BROKEN, NONE OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY FUNCTIONAL.
UM, SO THEY'RE ALL IN, IN PRETTY TERRIBLE SHAPE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE THOSE WITH POTENTIALLY ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT, THAT APPEAR THE SAME AND HAVE THE SAME, UM, HAVE THE SAME LOOK FROM THE OUTSIDE.
SO IF, IF THAT'S CLEAR, UH, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR CER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS,
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? UH, YES, COMMISSIONER? UM, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE WINDOWS A BIT.
UM, THEY'RE IN A VARIETY OF STATE STATES OF, UH, DISASSEMBLY, MAYBE DISREPAIR.
UM, I REALLY CAN'T TELL FROM THEM WHAT THE TRUE QUALITY OR THE CONDITION IS.
I, UM, I'M RELUCTANT TO, UH, SUPPORT A WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITHOUT REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT 'EM BECAUSE THEY LOOK FROM YOUR PHOTOS TO BE VERY REPAIRABLE.
THEY LOOK THAT WAY, BUT TO OKAY.
GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, I WOULD WANT TO SEE THEM.
UM, AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE COMMUNITY NOTES, UM, COMMENTS WAS THAT THERE WAS A WINDOW REPLACEMENT ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT STAFF DIDN'T, UH, UH, COMMENT ON AND REVIEW.
UM, WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, LOOKS TO BE A KITCHEN WINDOW OR A SMALL WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION THAT HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH TWO FULL-SIZE WINDOWS.
I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
I, I'LL HOVER OVER THIS RIGHT NOW.
UM, THEY'RE THE, THE GROUPED WINDOWS THAT ARE IN QUESTION, UH, THAT, THAT'S A LOCATION.
STAFF DID NOT CATCH THAT IN OUR REVIEW.
UM, THE GUIDELINES TYPICALLY NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE REPLACED, OR EXCUSE ME, THAT, UM, ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS SHOULDN'T BE CREATED, UH, WITHIN ELEVATIONS OR FACADES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET OR PRIMARY.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS A HALF WINDOW HERE THAT'S APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF, UH, THE OTHER HALF WINDOWS OR HALF PROPORTION SIZE WINDOWS THAT ARE, THAT ARE FOUND ON THIS ELEVATION.
I'LL NOTE THAT BASED ON PHOTOS, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT OPENING ITSELF IS NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIDING HAS BEEN REMOVED AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LARGER OPENING THERE AT ONE TIME.
UH, SO IF THE INTERIOR FRAMING SUGGESTS THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LARGER OPENING THERE OR SET OF GANGED WINDOWS, LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, UH, JUST TO THE, THE NORTH OF THAT, UM, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE RECONSIDERED FROM THE PHOTOS.
I WOULD ASSUME IT WAS PROBABLY A LARGE, UH, SINGLE UNIT THERE, BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT LOOKING IN THAT AREA.
UH, THE BUILDING'S BEEN CUT UP A FEW TIMES.
PART OF THE WAY WE DO THAT IS THROUGH MATERIALS, WINDOWS ALSO.
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OKAY IN A REHABBED AND AN ADDED HISTORIC HOUSE TO HAVE WINDOWS THAT AREN'T PERFECTLY MATCHY MATCHY.I'D LIKE TO SEE A, UH, ROOF PLAN.
AND, UM, WE HAVE, THERE'S NOT A ROOF PLANT, AND IT GOES TO DISTINGUISHING THE OLD FROM THE NEW, BECAUSE IN THE ELEVATION YOU HAVE A SAY ONE WEST ELEVATION, YOU SHOW A SETBACK WHERE YOUR ADDITION HAS BEEN MADE, WHICH IS THE IDEAL MOVE TO MAKE WHEN YOU'RE MR. SINO.
I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOUR MIC TURNED OFF, BUT IN THE FLOOR PLAN, SORRY, BUT IN THE FLOOR PLAN.
WE, WE SEE THE SETBACK IN THE, UM, UH, IN THE ELEVATION, UH, WHICH IS REALLY, UH, A GOOD MOVE.
UM, BUT IN THE FLOOR PLAN WE DON'T SEE THAT SIDE SETBACK.
AND IF WE HAD A ROOF PLAN, WE'D BE ABLE TO CONFIRM WHAT IS THE INTENTION.
THERE, THERE IS A INDENTATION ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
I, UH, I'M ASKING TONY TO BRING IT TO ME RIGHT HERE.
UH, THE PACKAGE I HAVE JUST STAFF DO WE HAVE UPDATED DRAWINGS IN HERE? OOPS.
UH, WHAT IS SHOWN HERE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, BUT I CAN SHOW THIS.
IF YOU'D COME TO THE MIC PLEASE.
AND I DIDN'T SEE IT ON, YOU NEED TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
WE HAD ALSO SUBMITTED A PLAN FOR THE FENCE AND ALSO FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
AND THEY WEREN'T ADDRESSED ON THE, ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE RECEIVED A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I WAS JUST, MONICA, WE'VE WORKED OUT A, A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND, UH, WHEN WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED MULTIPLE TIMES, UH,
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT, A BUILDING THAT HAS CONSISTENT WINDOWS, EVEN IF IT'S ON THE HISTORIC ONE, AND THEN LATER ON AT THE ADDITION WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT ON THE HISTORIC PIECE, THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDOWS IN DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AND, UH, SOME OF THEM ARE NOT, UH, THEY'D HAVE TO BE REPLACED.
YEAH, I I THINK THE IDEA THOUGH IS THAT, UH, THE, THE STANDARDS SORT OF DISCOURAGE YOU JUST DOING WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS UNLESS, UNLESS THEIR CONDITION REALLY DOES WARRANT IT.
AND SO TYPICALLY WHAT WE LIKE SEEING IS WHERE SOMEONE'S DONE A SURVEY OF THE WINDOWS, THEY'VE DETERMINED WHICH WERE THE MOST ORIGINAL OF THEM, AND IF THEY'RE IN GOOD CONDITION, YOU REHABILITATE THOSE.
IF NOT, YOU TRY TO REPLICATE THOSE AND YOU REPLICATE THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN LATER REPLACEMENTS THAT ARE ALSO IN BAD CONDITION.
YOU'RE WANTING A CONSISTENT LOOK, BUT THE IDEA OF JUST WHOLESALE CHANGING THE WINDOWS IS SORT OF AGAINST THE, THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE ASKED TO SUPPORT HERE.
SO ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? IS A SITE, IS A SITE VISIT WARRANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE OF THE WINDOWS IS GONNA BE THE STANDARD FOR THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, THEN THAT'D BE GREAT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE WARRANTED.
UM, THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT WHICH ONE MIGHT BE, WHICH ONES MIGHT BE ORIGINAL, WHICH ONES MIGHT BE A RESTORABLE.
AND, UH, I THINK GETTING SOME COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF'S EYES ON THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS AN IGNORANT QUESTION.
THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS WHERE THE BARS ARE IN THE WINDOW.
IS THAT AN ORIGINAL HISTORIC FEATURE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED? YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BURGLAR BARS OR, YEAH, YEAH.
NO, THOSE ARE UNDOUBTEDLY ADDED LATER.
AND YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO RETAIN THOSE AND TAKE 'EM DOWN BECAUSE ALL, ALL, ALL OF THEM DO HAVE THEM.
AND THEY'RE JUST IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
SOME OF 'EM ARE BOLTED TO THE OUTSIDE, SOME ARE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW, THEY'RE OF DIFFERENT COLORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS AND NONE OF THEM ARE OPERATIONAL.
BUT I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, BE GRATEFUL IF SOMEBODY COULD COME OUT, TAKE A LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT YOU THINK.
BUT BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE OF IT, THEY JUST, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANY WAY TO REPAIR THEM.
UM, MOST OF THEM, THE GLASS IS OBVIOUSLY BROKEN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO THANK YOU.
AND WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IS, IS LESS ABOUT BROKEN GLASS 'CAUSE THAT IT CAN BE RELAYED, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A TOUGH ONE, BUT LOOKING AT PARTICULARLY THE BOTTOM RAIL OF THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE ARE ROTTED OUT, IF THE SILLS ARE, ARE, HAVE AN ADVANCED, UH, STATE OF, YOU KNOW, UH, OF, UH,
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DEGRADATION TO THEM.SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF TERMITE DAMAGE IN THE HOME AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TOO.
SO YEAH, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THIS ISN'T PRISTINE, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS HANG ON TO AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE.
SO I'M RELIEVED TO HEAR THE APPROACH THAT YOU'RE NOT RAISING, UH, THE ROOF, THE, THE PLATE LINE, BECAUSE AS MR. HALL HAD MENTIONED, THAT'S, THAT WAS GONNA HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT THROUGH A LOT OF HISTORIC FEATURES ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING THAT INTERNAL HEIGHT THAT YOU WANT, BUT NOT IMPACTING THE EXTERIOR QUITE SO MUCH.
UM, AND I DID, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, CAN WE ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPING IN THE FENCE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T, UH, IF LANDSCAPING AND FENCING ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE.
COMMISSIONER SINO? UH, YEAH, I DID WANNA ALSO ADDRESS ANOTHER, UM, DESIGN CONCERN, UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION FOR A D R C.
AND THAT IS, UM, I DO AGREE WITH STAFF, UH, AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOSS OF DEFINITION OF VOLUMETRIC DEFINITION ON THAT EAST ELEVATION AS WE'VE EXTRUDED.
UM, UH, WELL, WE'VE EXTRUDED THE BUILDING BY INFILLING ONE, UH, CAVITY WHERE I BELIEVE THE BATHROOM IS, AND THEN WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITION THAT RUNS FLUSH WITH THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND SO WHAT WE END UP WITH THIS CONDITION, I CAN'T READ HOW MANY FEET IT IS, IT JUST A CONTINUOUS, UM, LENGTH OF BUILDING.
AND, UH, BY THAT TIME WE'VE LOST THE CHARACTERISTIC DEFINITION OF THIS BUNGALOW.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT NOW ON OUR SITE.
WELL, IT'S NOT DISCUSSION, BUT WE HEARD YOU.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE, UH, WE MADE THE CHANGE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE INDENTATION, UH, TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE, AND THE ADDITION ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
ALSO THE EAST, OR, WELL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S THE EAST, RIGHT? NO, SIR.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT INDENTATION THERE.
YEAH, IT'S FACING, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL DEAL, BUT WEST IS THAT SIDE, RIGHT? THIS IS EAST.
ISN'T THAT THE INDENTATION? NO.
SO, SO THE REASON THE INDENTATION WAS DONE ON THAT SIDE IS BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE EAST SIDE, THAT PRETTY MUCH BUTTS UP TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM, SINCE THIS IS A CORNER HOUSE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOME, AND THEN ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET, THAT THERE'S A, YOU CAN TELL WHERE THE ADDITION HAS BEEN PUT ON.
AND THE ORIGINAL, WHEN, WHEN I HAD ORIGINALLY, UM, CAME TO, TO SEE YOU GUYS BEFORE, WE WANTED TO DO A SECOND STORY, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WE HAVE DONE, AND WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO THAT FROM THE STREET AT ANY POINT IN TIME, THIS BEING A CORNER LOT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE AND DIFFERENTIATE THAT ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL HOME.
SO THE REASON WE DIDN'T DO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH UP ON THE FENCE LINE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, THERE'S TREES AND THINGS IN BETWEEN THERE.
SO THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ONE NEIGHBOR.
SO IT'D BE HELPFUL TO SEE THAT IN A ROOF PLAN.
AND THEN I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, EARLY ON, WHEN, UH, MY WIFE AND I PURCHASED THIS HOME, I DID HAVE A, UM, AN ENGINEER COME OUT, UM, AND A, UM, A FOUNDATION GUY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID IS THAT THE HOUSE IS EXTREMELY LOW AND THE FOUNDATION IS BAD.
THE FOUNDATION NEEDS TO BE REDONE.
SO WHAT HE HAD TOLD ME IS THAT THE, THAT I HAVE TWO OPTIONS.
ONE BEING TO DIG UNDERNEATH, WHICH HE DID NOT RECOMMEND, AND TWO BEING TO LIFT THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IN THE CRAWL SPACE.
AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF PATCHES, UH, IN THE FLOOR WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT SOMEBODY IN THE PAST HAD TRIED TO DO SHIMMING AND FOUNDATION REPAIRS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO I GUESS I'M KIND OF LOOKING FOR ADVICE AS WELL AS TO HOW DO WE REPAIR THE FOUNDATION WITHOUT LIFTING THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT, TO HAVE A CRAWL SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO PLUMBING AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT, THERE'S MAYBE A SIX INCH, UM, CRAWL SPACE UNDERNEATH THE HOME, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TRICKY.
SO FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, IF THERE'S AN ACCURATE WAY TO DOCUMENT, UM, SUCH AS THE EXISTING PORCH HEIGHT, UM, WHAT THE ORIGINAL FOUNDATION HEIGHT OR CLOSE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, FOUNDATION HEIGHT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, THEN I THINK WE COULD ALL SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE THING TO DO TO RESTORE THE HOUSE TO ITS ORIGINAL HEIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE HOUSES HAVE SUNK A FOOT OR SO OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR LIFETIME.
UM, I THINK ONE THING THAT MAY BE HELPFUL IS TO FIND, UH, OTHER EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE, UM, TO DETERMINE THEIR FOUNDATION HEIGHT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE SAYING, YOU CAN CERTAINLY LIFT
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THE HOUSE AND RESTORE IT TO ITS ORIGINAL FOUNDATION HEIGHT.IT'S JUST THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL FOUNDATION HEIGHT, UM, IS WHAT THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND.
IF, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY TIPS OR STAFF, THOSE OF HOUSES THAT I CAN LOOK AT OR, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET THOSE MEASUREMENTS AND FIGURE THAT OUT, I'D WELCOME THAT AS WELL, JUST TO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SITE PLAN AND ALL OF YOUR PLANS CORRESPOND TO THE ADDITIONAL STEPS, RISERS AND TREADS.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE, UM, ONE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED, BUT NOT IN TIME, IT WAS KIND OF SUBMITTED LATE, WAS DOING, UM, AN ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE, UM, ABOVE THE GARAGE UNIT THAT'S OUT THERE.
SO I THINK WHAT EDWARD HAD SAID IS WE HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CANS SOMETHING THAT RE ADDRESS THE WINDOWS BY THEN.
MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN COME OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST PLAN FORWARD.
MOVING FORWARD OUR PLAN WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A SITE D R C NEXT WEEK, WE WOULD MEET WITH YOU.
UM, THEN WE'D WORK WITH STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE AMENDED APPLICATION TO INCLUDE THE LIVING UNIT ABOVE THE GARAGE AND YOUR, UH, ANY LANDSCAPING OR FENCING OR WHATEVER THAT IT'S, UH, COME IN TOO LATE FOR THIS AGENDA.
AND THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH THE WHOLE PROJECT AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR, UH, THIS CASE TO BE REFERRED TO A D R C SITE VISIT.
I'LL SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2 2 2 0 5 5 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT SIX TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LIGHTS AT 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY STREET LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNA WHITTY HILL.
HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH V.
THE OVERALL PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DIGNITY.
WHITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED MASSING DRIVEWAY MATERIALS TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING PRIOR TO THE APPLICANT RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
ONE, THAT THE SITE PLAN BE DEVELOPED TO BETTER DOCUMENT CONFORMANCE WITH THE, THE GUIDELINES.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASE THE PROPOSED FRONT SETBACKS AS NOTED IN FINDING E PER ADVISED SITE PLAN, THERE APPEARS TO BE ROOM TO INCREASE THE FRONT SETBACKS.
THE APPLICANT THAT THE APPLICANT DECREASED MASSING ON SITE IS NOTED IN FINDING F.
REDUCTION IN BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR LOWERING OF HEIGHT TO A SINGLE STORY FOR SOME STRUCTURES WILL BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS BE USED IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED TERRACOTTA.
BRICK AND STUCCO IS NOTED IN FINDING J AND THE FACADE MATERIALS BE CONSISTENT ON EACH FACADE WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
SIDING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR SPECIFICATIONS.
AS NOTED IN FINDING J FOR THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF METAL ROOFS, FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE SEAM THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IN THE STANDARD GVAL FINISH, THE RIDGE CAP IS PROPOSED.
IT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
SIX, THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED AS NOTED IN FINDING L IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE, PROVIDED THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SEVEN, THAT THE RECTANGULAR FIXED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE BE ELIMINATED FOR TRADITIONALLY SIZED WINDOWS IN A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE IS NOTED IN FINDING M EIGHT THAT BOTH STRUCTURES THAT FRONT NORTH CHERRY FEATURE A WALKWAY THAT IS THAT, EXCUSE ME, A WALKWAY TO CONNECT THE FRONT PORCHES TO THE SIDEWALK AT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING R NINE THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE REDUCED.
NO MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING Q 10 THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDINGS S AND U.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN, IN PERSON.
WILL THE APPLICANT'S COMMITMENT PLEASE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? HELLO?
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OKAY, GREAT.UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, RICARDO TOES.
DO YOU HAVE TO SAY YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? NO, TEN FOUR.
I'VE BEEN HERE IN THIS ROOM FOR LIKE THREE DAYS STRAIGHT.
UM, PRESENTING OUR PROJECT, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS SINCE, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS WAS BASICALLY, UH, POSTPONED RIGHT? UH, WITH THE IDEA OF US, UH, GETTING THE COMMENTS THAT WERE, UH, COMMUNICATED TO US, ALL THE FEEDBACK.
UM, WE'VE SENSED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DELIBERATED ON, ON, ON SOME OF THESE.
AND I THINK THAT WE'VE COME TO A, A, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REVISED OUR, OUR SITE PLAN, OUR PROJECT TO ADDRESS MANY OF THOSE COMMENTS, MANY OF THE, MANY OF THAT FEEDBACK, BUT STILL FALL WITHIN OUR, THE VISION OF OUR PROJECT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, CREATING A A COM, YOU KNOW, CREATING A PROJECT THAT WILL BE, UM, UH, CONSISTENT IN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE INFILL, THE INFILL, WHICH, WHICH IT IS INFILL, YOU KNOW, UH, DEVELOPMENT, BUT STILL FOLLOW MANY OF THE, UH, HISTORIC PRECEDENTS AROUND US.
UM, UM, BEFORE I START THE PRESENTATION REAL QUICK, I'D LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THAT OUR, OUR TEAM IS IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 10 IN O H B FINDING.
SO THAT LEAVES A RECOMMENDATION 1, 2, 3, 4, AND NINE TO DISCUSS TODAY.
I'LL, UH, PUT THOSE ON THE SCREEN BRIEFLY, JUST FOR REFERENCE.
AND RICARDO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ONE MORE TIME? YES, SIR.
UH, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 10.
I KNOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, BUT I'LL, I'LL I'LL GO AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
UM, CAN WE START FROM THE TOP? CAN WE START FROM THE TOP? YEAH.
OUR PROJECT'S LOCATED AT, UH, 10 12, UM, 10 14 NORTH CHERRY STREET AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE DIGNITY HILL.
UH, UM, HISTORIC, UM, DISTRICT, UM, ABUTTING, YOU KNOW, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND, AND SOME INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND BUSINESSES AS WELL AS, UH, AMENITIES THROUGHOUT THE, THE COMMUNITY.
A CO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF PARKS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE BEING BUILT AND ACTUALLY RENOVATED AT THE MOMENT AS WELL.
UH, AND HAYES ALAMO BEER, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IS WHAT'S GONNA MAKE OUR PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFUL.
ULTIMATELY, PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WITH ITS PROXIMITY TO THE CITY, CITY DOWN.
THIS, UH, EXHIBIT JUST SHOWS OUR A 200 FOOT RADIUS OF OUR PROPERTY, OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, UM, AND THE WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF HOUSES IT'S TOUCHING.
UM, AS U S C, IT'S, AND IT'S ALSO KIND OF ENCROACHING ON MORE OF THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, INDUSTRIAL PART OF DIG, UH, DIGNITY HILL.
UM, CURRENTLY VACANT, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY, IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR A, A LONG TIME.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF REMOVED ALL, ALL THAT WORK, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE GRABBED, UM, TOOK A HOLD OF THE PRO OF THE PROPERTY WE'VE BEEN CLEANING UP AND, AND TRYING TO KEEP, UM, PEOPLE OUT OF IT TO CONTINUE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEM THROWING STUFF IN IT RIGHT.
UH, SO OUR PROPOSAL IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE COMING BACK TODAY REQUESTING, UH, A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF SIX, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, FROM OUR LAST SUBMISSION TO THIS, WE'VE REDUCED THE REQUESTED TWO, UH, MANY OF, MANY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON, YOU KNOW, WAS REALLY US LOOKING AT THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT WERE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM NOT ONLY FROM THIS COMMISSION, BUT ALSO, UH, A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, AND THEN THEY WERE NEIGHBORS.
SO FROM THAT, WE'VE ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCED THE TWO
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UNITS.ADDED SOME, UM, PRIVATE YARD, MADE THE PARKING SIDE BY SIDE, GIVING THEM A 20 BY 20 PAD.
UH, OUR CAR PART, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE, BEFORE THAT IT WAS, UH, ACTUALLY A TANDEM.
SO I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE REDUCED THAT, UH, WHEN WE KIND OF REDUCED THE NUMBER OF UNITS, MADE THE PARKING SIDE BY SIDE, IT CREATED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT, THAT YARD, UM, THAT YARD, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE AROUND 20, LIKE A 24 BY 14 FOR EACH, EACH OF THE UNITS.
UM, THE FIRST, THERE'S TWO PROTOTYPES, SAME, UH, SAME FLOOR PLAN FOR EACH UNIT.
SO THE FIRST PROTOTYPE PROTOTYPE WILL BE FACING, UH, CHERRY STREET, TWO DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, WHICH WE THINK WOULD, IS GONNA ADD TO THE STREETSCAPE AND ANOTHER PROTOTYPE.
UM, FOR THE THREE UNITS IN THE BACK, THAT WOULD BE FACING THE INTERNAL, UH, STREET UNIT NUMBER FOUR, UH, IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE A, UH, CUSTOM BUILT THAT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION ONCE IT'S, UH, COMPLETED.
THE, UM, THE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE STREET, THE STREET IS A 20 FOOT COMMON DRIVE.
IT WILL BE, UH, COMPOSED OF A CONCRETE AND, UH, PERMEABLE, UH, MATERIAL.
SO IT'LL BE A ONE FOOT CONCRETE, UM, A ONE FOOT CONCRETE RIBBON, AND WHICH WILL ACTUALLY KEEP THE PERMEABLE PRODUCT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS CALLED TRU GRIT.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY A, UH, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY A LID, UM, APPROVED STANDARD THROUGH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, AND IT'LL HELP MITIGATE A LOT OF THE RUNOFF, UM, AND ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS THAT WE MIGHT ENCOUNTER, YOU KNOW, OR OR TO OUR MEDIAN NEIGHBORS.
UM, THE, THE LAST I I LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE SETBACKS.
OUR MEDIAN IS, I THINK THE MEDIAN ON OUR PROPERTY, ON OUR SETBACKS IS LIKE AROUND 32.
WE ARE, THE, THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH IS AT 30 POINT AT 30 FEET, AND THE ONE TO THE NORTH IS AT 31 AND A HALF.
WHAT ME BASICALLY MAKES, UM, THOSE, UH, A 19 FOOT SETBACK AND A 20.5 SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS DOUBLE OF ANY RESIDENTIAL.
AND, UM, AND MULTI-FAMILY, YOU KNOW, UH, SETBACK CURRENTLY IN THE, UM, ZONING, U D C, THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS JUST AN EXHIBIT SHOWING, UM, OUR FENCE, HOW IT'S GOING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING A SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER AND A FOUR FOOT, UM, HOG WIRE FENCE THAT WE'LL KIND OF DELINEATE.
WILL THAT KIND OF DELINEATE THE, THE PROPERTIES, UM, AND MAKE THOSE PRIVATE SPACES, MAKE THOSE YARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, THEY KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS MY PROPERTY.
I CAN GO PUT A YARD, I CAN BARBECUE, I CAN LET MY DOG OUT, RIGHT? OR RENDERING.
UM, IT'S, THE ARCHITECTURE IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED FROM THE PAR, UH, BEFORE ARCHITECTURE IS PULLING FROM THE SURROUNDING HOMES AS WELL AS THE INDUSTRIAL, UM, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UH, UH, AREAS.
IT'S TOUCHING OUR 200, UM, RADIUS IS TOUCHING AND THE TERRACOTTA, MANY OF THE STUCCO, MANY OF THE, UH, OF THEM, YOU KNOW, STEEL, MANY OF THESE MATERIALS AND FORMS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING AS INSPIRATION TO, UM, TO KINDA CREATE OUR PROJECT.
ONE OF THE ITEMS I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT RETURN ON THE BRICK, UH, TURCOTT.
I KNOW THAT FROM THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS AND WE MADE SURE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE REPRESENTED THIS, THIS TIME AROUND.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED OUR CEILING HEIGHTS.
THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY 10 IN THE, ON THE BOTTOM AND NINE ON TOP.
UH, WE, OH, SORRY, IT WAS 10 AND 10.
AND, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, AFTER KIND OF LOOKING OUT ALL THAT, WE RE-LOOKED AT THE MASSING AND ACTUALLY REDUCED THE SLING HEIGHTS, NOT ONLY ON THE FRONT UNITS, BUT ALSO IN THE BACK UNITS BRINGING THOSE TO NINE, NINE FOR THE FRONT,
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UH, FRONT BUILDINGS AND NINE EIGHT FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK, KIND OF CREATING THAT HIERARCHY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS MENTIONED AT, AT, AT THE PAST, UH, AT THE PAST, UM, H R C MEETING.THAT JUST SHOWS THE REDUCED, UM, MASSING SECTION SHOWING THE REDUCED HEIGHTS AND HOW THE FRONT UNIT IS LARGER THAN THE ONES IN THE BACK STEP BACK EXHIBIT.
UM, KIND OF MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, THE BLOCK MEETING THERE SAYS IT'S 29 POINT, UH, 29 POINT 89.
WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 30, 31 AND A HALF.
UM, IT SHOWS OUR, OUR, OUR HOUSES ARE IN LINE MO, MOSTLY IN LINE WITH, UH, UNIT ONE AND FOUR, UH, TWO AND THREE SIT, A BIG BAG, I THINK FOUR OR FIVE FEET FROM THERE.
LOT COVERAGE BUILD, YOU KNOW, WE REVISE ONCE WE, WE REVISE THIS EXHIBIT, UH, FROM COMING DOWN FROM EIGHT TO SIX.
UH, ONCE THAT WAS DONE, THE, THE OVERALL LOT COVERAGE ACTUALLY REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, THAT'S IN THE, IN THE GUIDELINE GUIDELINES.
JUST AN EXHIBIT THAT WAS REQUESTED, UH, THROUGHOUT OUR D R C, UM, THE PAST FEW MONTHS, UM, SHOWING THAT THE AVERAGE BLOCK LOT COVERAGE IS ACTUALLY 42.2, WHICH OUR PROJECT IS, UM, BELOW, UM, BELOW THAT HEIGHT EXHIBIT, UM, WE CANVASSED THE, THE, THE BLOCK.
AND WE WANTED TO KINDA MAKE SURE AND, AND SHOW THAT OUR, THE HEIGHT OF OUR BUILDINGS WERE 29.
YEAH, 29 FEET FOR THE FRONT, FOR THE FRONT UNITS, AND 25 11 FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK AND LES THE ALLEY.
THESE ARE JUST ALLEY PRECEDENTS.
I KNOW THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT HAD COME, UH, COME UP IN ON, ON OUR LAST D R C.
SECOND TO THE LAST D R C WE COLLECTED AT SOME PRECEDENTS FROM AROUND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF, UH, STREETS AND, AND DRIVES THAT ARE BELOW 20 FEET AND STILL FEED EXISTING HOMES.
UM, SOME DO CROSS, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM STREET TO STREET.
OTHERS DON'T LIKE 4 22 HAYES THAT ACTUALLY FEEDS FOUR HOMES.
YEAH, IN THE SAMWARE MAP BASED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FROM 1904, IT SHOWS THE, THAT THE LOTS HAVE, HAVE A HISTORY OF ACTUALLY HAVING MASSING, UH, UM, AND DENSITY ON THIS, ON THIS LOT.
UH, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS, UH, THE LAND USE, THE LAND USE ON, ON OUR PROPERTY IS LOW DENSITY MIXED USE.
AS NOTED IN THE NUITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN ADOPTED BY THE CITY IN 2009.
UM, THE ALLOWED ZONINGS, UH, INCLUDE ARMED FOUR, MF 25, AND I D Z, WHICH MATCH OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
YOU COME UP, MR. ZIGA, THE ARCHITECT WILL, WILL KIND OF WE'LL PRESENT THE LAST FEW, UM, SLIDES.
I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, GRANTED IT'S A LARGE PROJECT AND IT'S PACKED WITH A LOT OF DATA.
UM, BUT WE'D LIKE TO, IF POSSIBLE, IF NOT, WE CAN GO TO QUESTIONS.
WELL, I GUESS, UM, IN CONSIDERATION OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE FIVE ITEMS THAT, UM, Y'ALL DON'T AGREE WITH IN TERMS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, WE'VE, UH, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU'VE PROVIDED AND, UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AT NUMEROUS TIMES, SO YEP.
IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE, UH, FIVE ITEMS AND THEN WE CAN GET TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK RICARDO DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE FIVE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO PRESENT, UM, THE COMMON NUMBER ONE, THE SITE PLAN BEING DEVELOPED BETTER DOCUMENT THE CONFORMANCE OF THE GUIDELINES.
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DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT FOR FINAL.UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SETBACKS IS ONE OF THE, THE KIND OF TIES IN WITH NUMBER TWO.
UM, UH, CAN STAFF EXPAND ON, ON WHAT WAS A CONCERN WITH COMMON NUMBER ONE OR STIPULATION NUMBER ONE? UH, UH, FEW THINGS.
UH, ONE OF THOSE STIPULATIONS, AND THIS ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IT'S ONE THAT Y'ALL HAVE AGREED TO, UM, IN REGARDS TO, UM, A FRONT WALKWAY.
SO IT'S, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS, UH, ESSENTIALLY KIND OF A COMBINATION OF ALL THE OTHER ITEMS FOR THE, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE SETBACK, UH, INCREASE THE WALKWAYS, UM, THE FENCING HAS NOW BEEN SHOWN, SO THAT PARTICULAR STIPULATION HAS BEEN REMOVED, BUT THAT'S SPECIFICALLY IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT STAFF.
SO, YEAH, UM, ABSOLUTELY FOR COMMENT NUMBER ONE, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR FINAL, WE CAN DEFINITELY REVISE THOSE DETAILS TO BETTER ILLUSTRATE THAT.
UM, AT THE, OUR LAST D R C, WE WERE ASKED TO EXPLORE, UM, POSSIBLE PUSHING BACK OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, AT THE 10 14 LOT.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE SPACE FOR THAT.
WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE THAT AS WELL.
RICARDO AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WHAT THAT DIMENSION IS.
UM, WE DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TILL WE FULLY WORK OUT THE KINKS THERE, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT THAT FOR FINAL, UM, MASSING ON SITE REDUCTION, REDUCTION BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT WE ADDRESS THAT BY GOING FROM EIGHT DWELLINGS TO SIX, UM, AT LEAST SKIPPING AHEAD OF COMMENT NUMBER THREE, UM, WE'RE SHOWING LOT COVERAGE CALCULATIONS.
WE'RE SHOWING DEN DENSITY OR INTENSITY, WHICH WAS THE WORD THAT WAS BEING USED AT THE LAST HEARING, UM, WE'RE SHOWING WE COMPLY WITH THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE MATERIALS GO, I, WE HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES OF WHERE THE MATERIALS WERE PULLED FROM.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PUSH, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT AS PROPOSED.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILS AND LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS IN, IN A LOT CLOSER THOUGHT.
UM, UH, AS WE REACH OUR, OR PREPARE OUR FINAL, I THINK WE WANNA FOCUS ON MASSING SCALE PROPORTION, UNIT COUNT FOR OUR, OUR OUR, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AS FAR AS ITEM NINE, AS I'M HAPPY, LET'S GO THROUGH THE SLIDES FOR THE MATERIALS REAL QUICK.
CAN YOU GO ONE UP? WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE FRINGE CONDITIONS OF DINU HILL, RIGHT? DITY HILLS IS SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE WE'RE AT THAT LIMIT, AND WE WERE TRYING TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND, AND THE NEW THROUGH MATERIALS, BUT WE WERE STILL IN KEEPING WITH MASSING SCALE PROPORTIONS OF THE FORMS. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT.
YOU HAVE THE, YOU HAVE THESE, UM, LARGE WAREHOUSES, UM, COMMERCIAL CONTEXT, MIXED USE CONTEXT.
SO LARGE, LARGE PLATE HEIGHTS, LARGE SPANS OF GLASS, AND THEN IS JUXTAPOSED WITH THESE SMALLER BUNGALOWS, UH, WITHIN OUR BLOCK PHASE.
UH, MORE ALONG OUR BLOCK PHASE STUCCO IN OUR BLOCK PHASE, UH, IN A RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION.
UM, THIS IS OUR FOUNDATION HEIGHT EXHIBIT, UM, JUST SHOWING THAT WE'RE IN LINE WITH THAT.
HERE'S SOME MODERN EXAMPLES FROM THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR INFILL.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE CLOSEUPS OF THE WAREHOUSES IN OUR DIRECT VICINITY AND SOME OF THE OTHER, OTHER RESIDENTIAL STUCCO.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUCCO AND TERRACOTTA BRICK, UH, BECAUSE OF THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AS A BACKDROP TO SOME OF THE BUNGALOWS ACROSS THE STREET, WE THINK IT CREATES A NICE, UM, BALANCE AND CONTRAST BETWEEN, AGAIN, BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY USED TO BE MY PERSONAL HOUSE IN DIGNITY HILL.
UM, AND IT'S NO LONGER MY RESIDENCE, BUT IT WAS BUILT OUT OF, UM, STRUCTURAL CLAY, UH, BRICK.
UM, UM, THE STORY WAS THAT THE TWO HOUSES, THIS ONE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT OF IT WERE BUILT BY SOMEONE THAT USED TO WORK AT THE, AT THE RAILROAD, AND THEY WERE GIFTED BRICK, AND THEY BUILT THE HOUSE OUT OF THE, THE REGIONAL MATERIALS, SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS.
UM, SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE.
THEN AGAIN, THE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD WITH THE TERRACOTTA BRICK.
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CONTEXT.YOU KNOW, OTHER MODERN INTERPRETATIONS OF HISTORIC FORMS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I KNOW ONE COMMENT HAD BEEN IN THE PAST THAT WE, WE DIDN'T USE THE HISTORICIST CONTEXT.
WE ARE, WE'RE USING THE HISTORICIST CONTEXT, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS COMING IN.
SO THAT, AS AN EXAMPLE, AS A GUIDE OF HOW TO PROPERLY DISTINGUISH OURSELVES.
UM, AND I MEAN, WE, WE THINK FROM A MASSING AND SCALE AND PROPORTION, WE DO A GOOD JOB COMPARED TO SOME OF THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, RELATIVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE GOOD EXAMPLES AS WELL.
MORE, MORE MODERN CONSTRUCTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AGAIN, MORE USE OF STUCCO THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, INDUSTRIAL MATERIALS, UM, METAL, MAINLY THE USE OF METAL THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THESE ARE SOME KIND OF, UH, DETAILS THAT WE'LL BE FOLLOWING.
UM, I, I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES THE MATERIALS, UM, STIPULATION.
UM, I'LL LET, UH, RICARDO SPEAK TO ANY, ADD ANYTHING TO THE STIPULATIONS WE DISCUSSED, BUT MAINLY, UH, NUMBER NINE AS WELL.
SO, UM, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S, UH, ITSELF IS, UH, THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAY.
UM, THE MINIMUM WE COULD ACTUALLY DO, UH, DO IS 20 FEET PER THE, THE FIRE, FIRE CODE.
UM, I DOUBLE CHECK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S THE SMALLEST WE CAN DO TO ACTUALLY, UH, TO ACTUALLY SERVE THESE, THESE HOMES.
UM, THE IN, AND WE, BUT WE HAVE EXPLORED THAT ULTI, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, LIFE SAFETY IS, IS PRIORITY FOR, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND YOU, OUR, I THINK WE, WHAT WE WERE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE INTENDING TO DO, AND MAYBE WE CAN SHOW IT AT FINAL, IS WITH LANDSCAPING, HOW TO SOFTEN THAT UP, RIGHT? WE'RE ALREADY SOFTEN IT, IT UP WITH THE PERMEABLE, BUT ADDING TREES, ADDING, UM, SHRUBS, LANDSCAPING ALL THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER OF IT AND THE FRONT.
WELL, AND YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT, WE HOPE, AND WE KNOW BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY DONE THIS BEFORE IN OTHER, OTHER, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, THAT IT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE SOFTENED IT UP.
AND ONCE YOU DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU, YOU BARELY KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S THERE.
UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ONCE WE, ONCE THAT LANDSCAPING GOES IN, AND RIGHT NOW IT'S 20 FEET WITH THAT CONCRETE, MAYBE THE CONCRETE WILL KIND OF, UH, SETTLE IN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL LOOK MORE LIKE AN 18 FOOT DRIVE WITH THAT, UM, TRUE GRID, WHICH IS A TRUE GRID DIMENSION IN.
ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THE, THE DISCUSSION TODAY? NO, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO, UH, HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS.
MY NAME WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO.
THIS IS REGARDS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS NOT RECEIVE CO IS INCOMPATIBLE DISTRICT.
THE BUILDINGS MAPPING OF MATERIALS DO NOT CONFORM TO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IN ADDITION, THE PRESIDENTS YOU JUSTIFY THE INTERIOR STREET ARE NOT COMPARABLE.
THE EXAMPLES GIVEN ARE ALLEYS THAT RUN COMPLETELY THROUGH THE BLOCK, WHILE 4 22 HAYES ATYPICAL MODERN INFILL, IT'S EXTENDED DRIVEWAY STOP SHORT OF ARMAD ALLEY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, 8 1 7 NOLAN.
I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL FOR H D R C, CASE 2022 DASH 55.
WE AGREE WITH O H P FOR A SECOND TIME TO NOT SUPPORT THE APPROVAL OF THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AS OUTLINED BY O H P.
IT DOES NOT MEET THE DIGNITY HILL 2000 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN EITHER, WHILE SIX TWO STORY UNITS ARE A DECREASE FROM THE ORIGINAL REQUESTED EIGHT UNITS.
THIS IS STILL TOO MUCH FOR THESE LOTS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE STORY BUNGALOW HOUSES WITH YARDS LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE
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OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.THIS PROJECT BARELY PROVIDES ANY PARKING FOR RESIDENTS, MUCH LESS OUTDOOR SPACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY, OR A YARD WHERE PEOPLE CAN SOCIALIZE AND HAVE FUN.
THEY'RE TRYING TO CREATE A COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY.
AND THOUGH SOME MEMBERS OF THE H D R C BOARD THINK THAT THE DESIGN IS ORIGINAL AND NEW, THIS IS ACTUALLY REPLICATING WHAT IS BEING BUILT ALL OVER NON HISTORICAL DISTRICTS LIKE DENVER HEIGHTS.
INSTEAD, PLEASE BUILD SOMETHING THAT FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS YARDS AND ENOUGH PARKING SO THAT OCCUPANTS AREN'T LEFT WITH HAVING TO PARK IN THE STREET.
IN ADDITION OF THE SIGN LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, SEVEN ARE NOT IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND DO NOT FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS.
IN FACT, JOHN COOLEY, C O O OF TERRAMARK, SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT SHOWS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE ONE OF THE APPLICANTS WORKED FOR HIM FOR YEARS.
THIS CASE WAS NEVER PRESENTED TO DH A'S GENERAL MEMBERSHIP.
IT WAS NEVER COMMUNICATED TO THE RESIDENTS EITHER VIA FACEBOOK OR EMAIL, AND NO ONE HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS VOTED ON THIS CASE SOLELY WITHOUT GETTING ANY INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT FALL WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THESE TYPES OF CASES WITHOUT TAKING IT TO THE COMMUNITY FOR A VOTE.
AND WE ASK THAT THIS CASE BE CONTINUED TO THAT.
THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS, UH, BUT THERE ARE, UH, LETTERS THAT REFLECT BOTH OF THOSE COMMENTS IN YOUR PACKETS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO
I MEAN, UM, LIKE I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE GO THROUGH A FORMAL PROCESS OF MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MEETING WITH THEIR, UM, HISTORIC COMMITTEE.
UH, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THEM.
UH, WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT MEETING, NOT ONLY MEETING WITH THE REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, BUT ALSO CANVASING THE STREETS, THE STREET, KNOCKING ON PEOPLE'S DOORS, COLLECTING THEIR, THEIR, UH, UH, OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS COLLECTING THEIR, THEIR, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT, UM, PRESENTING THE PROJECT IN FULL.
UM, AND THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY SPREAD IT THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE RECEIVED THE, UH, MORE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE 11, UM, 11, UH, ALERTS OF SUPPORT WITH THE DIGNITY HERE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION AT, UM, THAT MAKES 12.
UM, WE, WE'VE, WE, WE WOULD LOVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO EVERYONE.
UM, AND WE DO RELY ON THE REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO MAKE THAT, UM, TO MAKE IT AN, AN EFFORT ON THEIR SIDE TO, UH, CIRCULATE THIS.
UM, AND WE KEEP GOING BACK TO THEM AND ASKING THEM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY, WHAT ELSE WE CAN WE DO? UM, WE ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS WE CAN.
OUR, OUR PHONES ARE ALWAYS OPEN.
UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIR? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GIBBS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO I, IT SEEMS TO BE A, A, A PATTERN WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, YOUR CASES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IS NOT BEING INCLUDED OR EVEN, UM, ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROJECTS, AND IT, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THERE, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF, UH, THE SUPPORT THAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO RECEIVE ARE KIND OF DISCARDED, UM, AS TO TRY TO REACH OUT, OR WE GO TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND IT'S UP TO THEM TO, TO GET IN CONTACT WITH OTHERS OR BRING THEM IN.
HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? BECAUSE IT, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SUPPORTS WITHIN A COMMUNITY, WHY WOULD YOU NOT TRY TO GET AS MUCH, UM, BUY-IN FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS AS POSSIBLE? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S NOT GONNA AGREE WITH YOUR PROJECTS AND NOT ASKING FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, PLEASE? YEAH, OF COURSE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR NUMBER ONE, UM, OUR, OUR NUMBER OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO PRESENT, AS YOU KNOW, TO PRESENT OUR PROJECT TO AS MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT ARE WILLING TO ANSWER OUR CALLS, EMAILS,
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OR, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, OR IF THEY WANT TO GIVE US A CALL.YOU KNOW, WE PRESENT TO THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION, UM, THE REGISTERED NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION, WE REQUESTED, UM, WE REQUESTED AN ASK IF THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESENT, UH, TO A LARGER FORUM.
UM, APART FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE THEM CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
UH, FOR OUR, ONLY, OUR PROJECT, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST SHOWING UP.
WE WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING UP AND, AND ASKING THEM, UH, TO INCLUDE US IN ALL THEIR COMMITTEES AND, UH, AS MANY NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AS WE CAN.
UM, AND GOING FURTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE CANVASSED THE AREA.
WE'VE COLLECTED LETTERS FROM OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
UM, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ARE, UH, RENTERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SPEAK MUCH ENGLISH, SO, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, LUCKILY I CAN SPEAK SPANISH.
EVERY PERSON ON THAT BLOG WAS SHOWN THIS PROJECT.
AND THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, WERE, YOU KNOW, THAT WANTED TO GIVE US THEIR SUPPORT, GIVE US OUR SUPPORT, UH, WE ALSO CIRCULATED OUR PRESENTATION TO ANYONE.
UM, AND FROM THAT, WE GOT LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM OUTSIDE THE 200, UH, UH, 200 FEET.
YOU, EVEN AFTER OUR, YOU KNOW, POSTPONING OR DENIAL OF THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION, WE GOT AN OUTPOURING OF SUPPORT, UH, NOT ONLY THROUGH FACEBOOK, THROUGH THE, THE ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN, UM, CALLS, EMAILS, YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WORK AND CAN'T SHOW UP TODAY.
UM, THAT I, YOU KNOW, WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR, ON OUR POWER TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEIR SUPPORT.
BUT APART FROM PAYING FOR THEIR DAY AND COMING HERE, IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO.
UH, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, THE CITY HAS A, UH, ANOTHER WAY, UH, FOR US TO SHARE IT WITH A LIST OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE D ANNUITY HILL, AND WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
COMMISSIONER SINO, I, I'M SORRY.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, THAT YOU FIND WAYS IN ORDER TO INCLUDE, UM, MORE OF THEM, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST PROJECT.
YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WORKS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THINGS WORK IN, INTO, IN THE DISTRICT.
SO I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEEK WAYS IN ORDER TO FIND MORE INCLUSIVE WAYS TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OTHERS OR AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, ARE INCLUDED IN THE, THE CONCEPT OF, OF YOUR PROJECTS.
I'LL MAKE SURE AND, AND DO THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS POINTS ARE, ARE, OUR SUGGESTIONS ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS ALIGNED ALONG THE EAST SIDE, GOVERNMENT HILL, THE DIGNITY HILL, AND DENVER HEIGHTS THAT ALL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION.
IT'S NOT JUST YOU GUYS AND JUST NOT THE, THIS PROJECT, IT'S ALL OF THE NEW PROJECTS COMING IN.
WE ALL, ALL THREE NEIGHBORHOODS SHARE A, UM, UH, A CRITICAL NEED FOR, UM, UM, I GUESS, UH, BETTER AWARENESS OF THE EXISTING CONTEXT.
UH, SO THAT'S, I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY RELEVANT, BUT I WANTED TO GET TO THE CONTENT OF THE GUIDELINES AND OF YOUR PROJECT AND, UM, SEEING THE REDUCTION IN THE, THE, THE BUILDINGS IS, UM, UH, GREATLY APPRECIATED.
AND I THINK WHAT IT DID FOR YOU GUYS, AS WELL AS FOR ALL OF US, IS IT SHOWED THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OPEN SPACE AND PARKING, AND IT ENABLED YOU TO SOLVE A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IT WAS KIND OF A GOOD THING.
UM, AND, UM, BUT THAT ASIDE, I, I DO WANNA SEE, I, I DON'T AGREE THAT THE PROJECT IS, UM, CONGRUENT WITH THIS EXISTING BLOCK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT COULD BE IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE VERY, VERY MODEST EXISTING HOUSES, IF THIS WERE A BLOCK THAT HAD ONE OR TWO HOUSES, AND THE REMAINING WERE, UH, VACANT LOTS, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING ON SHERMAN A WHILE BACK THAT HAD THAT SITUATION.
IT GIVES A CERTAIN FREEDOM IN INTERPRETATION.
AND THERE YOU HAVE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE ASKING TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION, ALTHOUGH THE HOUSES, EXISTING HOUSES, THERE ARE MAYBE NOT IN, THEY'RE NOT IN PRISTINE CONDITION.
THEY'VE HAD ADDITIONS AND GENERATIONS AND LIVING THERE.
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BUT THE BONES OF THAT URBAN CONTEXT ARE VERY STRONG.WHAT I WOULD WANNA SEE IS, I THINK SOMETHING THAT STAFF MENTIONED, AND THAT IS A STREET ELEVATION SHOWING THOSE STRUCTURES AND SHOWING YOUR PROPOSAL.
SO WE GET ANOTHER, OR WE GET A BETTER FEEL FOR IT.
THE, THE, THE OVERGROWN LOTS MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO EVEN IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE.
SO I, I THINK THE, UM, UH, A STREET ELEVATION WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO THE SETBACK, THE FRONT SETBACK.
YOU'RE, YOU FOUND THE MEAN OR THE MEDIAN, WHICH IS, WHICH IS AWESOME.
UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TWO STORIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO LOTS OF ONE STORIES.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS, GOTTA HOLD DOWN THIS BUTTON.
I CAN'T TALK WITH TWO HANDS HERE, UM,
UM, SO, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO AMELIORATE THAT.
UM, I DO WANT TO VERY QUICKLY SAY, AND THEN I'LL TUNE OFF.
UM, I KNOW MR. ZIKA HAS DONE SOME VERY SUCCESSFUL STORY AND A HALF HOUSES AND STAFF EVEN SUGGESTS, UM, OR RECOMMENDS AS A WAY TO BE MORE, UM, CONGRUENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THERE.
THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THE HOUSES SHOULD BE ONE STORY.
BUT KNOWING MR. ZIKA'S ONE AND A HALF STORY HOUSES, THERE'S ONE ON CENTER THAT ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL, MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER ONE OR TWO OF THOSE IN THERE JUST TO REALLY MAKE IT A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN, UM, A COOKIE CUTTER KIND OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS AT THAT.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROVIDED, AND, UH, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE SINCE WE'VE SEEN YOU LAST.
UH, I, I CAN SEE THAT YOU TOOK TO HEART A LOT OF OUR COM COMMENTS, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, PARTICULARLY THE REDUCTION OF THE TWO UNITS.
I THINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.
THAT'S REALLY, FOR ME, ADDRESSED THAT INTENSITY ISSUE, WHICH WAS THE BIG STICKLER FOR ME, UH, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, GIVING, GIVING, UM, THE, THE, THE PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE PRODUCING HERE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE AROUND IT FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY LIVE REAL LIVES WITH KIDS AND PETS AND MM-HMM.
I THINK THE SIDE-BY-SIDE PARKING IS ALSO A GOOD STRATEGY.
YOUR REDUCTION OF THE FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS ARE, ARE A NICE MOVE.
UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, CONCUR THAT THERE MIGHT BE, UH, A WAY THAT YOU GO EVEN FURTHER WHERE YOU GO, UH, YOU KNOW, NINE AND EIGHT OR, OR BEGIN TO, YOU KNOW, TRAY UP INTO THAT UPPER, UH, FLOOR, UH, ROOFS SO THAT YOU CAN BEGIN TO PULL DOWN THE MASSING.
SO IT'S MORE OF LIKE A ONE AND A HALF STORY.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MM-HMM.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF PRECEDENCE TO LOOK AT, UM, MATERIAL USAGE.
I, I THINK GIVEN THE NATURE OR THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT BEING SORT OF A TRANSITIONAL PIECE, YOU KNOW, ON THE VERY FRINGES OF THE, OF THE DISTRICT, UH, ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL, UH, LOCATIONS, AND EVEN THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PRECEDENT OF YOUR OWN HOUSE, MR. ZIKA, UH, THAT YOU HAD THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL CLAY TILE WAS UTILIZED, I THINK ITS VERY APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THE, THIS IDEA OF SORT OF RECLAIMING SOME OF THE URBAN, UH, LANDSCAPE, UH, SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL LANDSCAPE, UH, AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS THERE AND INCORPORATING THAT INTO THIS IS NOT, UM, NOT, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, I THINK GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS.
SO I, I REALLY AM SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE MATERIAL PALETTE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE.
I WOULD STILL SAY AS YOU GET INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DEVELOPING THE DESIGN FURTHER, THAT YOU SEEK WAYS IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURAL CLAY TILE RIGHT FLUSH WITH THE, WITH THE SIDING THAT THERE, IT, IT, IT REPRESENTS A VOLUMETRIC EXPRESSION IN THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, A REAL STRATEGIC USE OF MATERIALS TO EXPRESS WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE INTERIOR THAT'S KIND OF INHERENT TO MODERN ARCHITECTURE, IS AN INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR ARE, ARE, UH, DRIVING EACH OTHER.
SO, UM, I THINK YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF, UH, ITEMS 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 10, AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EXPLANATIONS OF KIND OF WHAT ITEM, ITEM ONE INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE BASIC FRONT WALKS AND THE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT, I THINK YOU'RE ON THE PATHWAY TO GETTING THERE.
I THINK IT, IT COMES DOWN TO THOUGH, IF WHETHER THIS SORT OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITH THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAY IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS LOCATION.
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THE, UH, SANDBORN MAP, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING THE, THE GREENHOUSE STRUCTURE THAT WAS ON THIS PROPERTY ORIGINALLY, AND HOW IT HAD SOME KIND OF LITTLE DRIVE THAT WENT BACK THROUGH IT.IT WASN'T BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY, YEAH, IT WAS ALREADY SORT OF THIS ATTENUATED, STRETCHED OUT STRUCTURE OR CONGLOMERATION OF STRUCTURES THAT HISTORICALLY WERE ON THE SITE.
SO THE COMBINATION OF THESE TWO LOTS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, I THINK DO ALLOW FOR SOME OF THAT INTERNAL DRIVE TO TAKE PLACE AND NOT BE SO IMPACTFUL TO THE PROPERTIES ON THE, ON THE PERIMETERS.
UM, BUT I THINK TO REALLY BRING THAT HOME, THAT IDEA OF THE SETBACK, UM, ESPECIALLY YOUR, YOUR, UH, NORTHERN UNIT I THINK NEEDS TO BE REALLY RESPECTFUL OF, UM, THE PROPERTY AT 10 18, UH, NOT ONLY SETTING BACK, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING TO THE SOUTH A LITTLE BIT OF MM-HMM.
'CAUSE AS WE LOOK AT THAT IN AERIAL, UH, WHERE THOSE TWO ARE COMING TO EACH OTHER, THEY'RE IN REALLY CLOSE CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER.
AND SO I THINK ANY, ANY KIND OF BUFFER THAT YOU CAN CREATE THERE, WHETHER THROUGH LANDSCAPE OR THROUGH OFFSETS, JUST KIND OF GOING THE EXTRA MEASURE, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE, UH, THOSE STRUCTURES THAT ARE INDICATED NUMBER THREE AND FOUR ARE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY TAKE THE MOST CONSIDERATION SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO YOU AND, AND REALLY KIND OF GO THE EXTRA MILE AND NOT KINDA RELY UPON, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, MATHEMATICAL NUMERICS OF, OF, UH, MEANS OR AVERAGES OF THE SETBACK, BUT REALLY KIND OF BEING REALLY RESPECTFUL TO THOSE TWO STRUCTURES IN PARTICULAR.
UM, I, I, I WANNA COMMEND YOU WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, RIGHT? YOU GUYS HAVE GOT AN UPHILL BATTLE, RIGHT? NOT EVERYONE IS GONNA BE ON BOARD WITH YOUR PROJECT.
NOT EVERYONE WANTS THIS PLACE TO BE DEVELOPED.
I'M A FIRM BELIEVER THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO GO THERE, AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH TO TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN, OKAY? UM, THE WHEELS OF PROGRESS HAVE TO KEEP MOVING, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT EASY.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE COME BACK A FEW TIMES AND, AND, AND PRESENTED STUFF AND GONE BACK AND TAKEN OUR INPUT AND RE-LOOKED AT IT, OKAY? WHICH IS GOOD.
AGAIN, THAT SAID, YOU HAVE A CHALLENGE, BUT RIGHT NOW, CONCEPTUALLY, YOU'RE PRESENTING ONES AND ZEROS, RIGHT? YOU'RE PRESENTING THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, I THINK IF YOU COULD PRESENT A COUPLE OF CONCEPTS THAT COMPLY WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MATERIAL, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROPOSING STUCCO AND YOU'RE PUT, GO WITH THE SIDING THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED.
PRESENT A DIGITAL COPY OF THAT.
SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? JUST BRING IT FORWARD.
YOU PUT THE, THE PICTURE UP THERE, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GET A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S ALL CONCEPTUAL AT THIS POINT ANYWAY, RIGHT? THE SETBACK, THERE'S A MAGIC NUMBER IN THE STIPULATION, WHICH IS NUMBER, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR SETBACK, UH, NUMBER TWO, RIGHT? YEAH.
NUMBER TWO, THERE'S A MAGIC NUMBER THERE.
IT'S 32, RIGHT? YOU'RE AT 31 OR 30 WHERE YOU'RE AT AGAIN FOR THE SETBACK.
BRING IT FORWARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE IS YOU'RE, IS YOU'RE COMPLYING WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN, RIGHT? PUT IT UP THERE, RIGHT? BRING A SECOND VERSION THAT GOES TO 30 AND THEN HAVE IT CASCADE DIGITALLY.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S OUT THERE MOVING STUFF AROUND.
SO COME BACK WITH SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTUALS, BECAUSE WHAT THAT DOES FOR YOU IS IT HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND EVEN MORE AND TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY.
HEY, THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THE STAFF HAS ASKED FOR.
THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMUNITY'S ASKED FOR, RIGHT? UM, AND THEN IF IT'S CONCEPTUAL, IT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED LATER ON, WELL, THEN YOU CAN ADJUST IT.
HEY, LISTEN, WE, WE WERE AT 32, WE COMPLIED, BUT HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS.
WE NEED TO BE AT 31 AND THREE QUARTERS BECAUSE OF THIS, OR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, BUT IN CONCEPTUAL, IT'S DIGITS COME, COME WITH, COME WITH DIGITAL, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO DO, I THINK.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOUR OTHER PART OF THE UPHILL CHALLENGE IS YOU'RE WORKING WITH GUIDELINES, NOT STANDARDS, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT WORKING WITH POLICY, YOU'RE NOT WORKING WITH HARDENED RULES, YOU'RE WORKING WITH GUIDELINES WHICH ARE SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATIONS.
THAT'S A DISADVANTAGE FOR THE CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? FOR THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IT'S OPEN TO, TO THE OPINION.
SO AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, I RECOGNIZE THAT AT LEAST, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYONE IN THE COMMITTEE RECOGNIZES THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, KEEP PLUGGING AWAY, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
AND, AND I, I WILL SAY THAT YOU'RE, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO A LOT OF, OR CONCUR WITH A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID.
UH, I WANT TO COMMEND Y'ALL AND THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING WITH THE, UH, DRCS AND THE COMMISSION AND, AND TAKING OUR COMMENTS TO HEART.
UM, I THINK YOUR USE OF, UH, MATERIALS I'M ON BOARD WITH, UM, SETBACKS.
I THINK, UM, MR. ZIGA SAID Y'ALL CAN WORK WITH SETBACKS ON THE OF RUN TWO HOUSES.
UM, APPRECIATE Y'ALL GOING FROM EIGHT TO SIX TO REDUCE THE, THE DENSITY ON THE, ON THE
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PROPERTY.UM, YOU MADE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR THE DRIVEWAY, UM, BEING 20 FEET, THAT THAT IS WHAT THE CITY WILL, UM, REQUIRE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, INTERESTING, UH, SUGGESTION BY COMMISSIONER SAVINO ABOUT LOOKING AT, UM, ONE AND A HALF STORIES, UH, GOING, OR LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROJECT WE HAD WHERE THEY KEPT THE ORIGINAL PLATE HEIGHT AND THEN THEY WANTED HIGHER CEILINGS INSIDE.
SO YOU HAVE SOMEWHAT OF A SLOPED CEILING AT THE PERIMETER WALL.
UM, AND THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING YOUR OVERALL ROOF HEIGHTS DOWN, WHICH WOULD HELP IN THE MASSING.
UM, SO I'M, UM, I'M ENCOURAGED ABOUT WHAT I'M SEEING TODAY, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I DO WANNA ADD THAT, UM, JUST AS, UM, GOING TO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES COMMENTS ABOUT THE STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INTERPRETATION.
THIS IS ALWAYS WHAT, UM, UM, PLAYS ON OUR CREATIVITY, RIGHT? UM, I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF THE GUIDELINES, UM, CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATIONS OF TRADITIONAL DESIGNS AND DETAILS MAY BE CONSIDERED.
UM, NUMBER TWO, WELL, FALSE HISTORICISM, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GUILTY OF THAT AT ALL.
BUT PRINCIPLE NUMBER ONE, ENSURE THAT THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS REMAIN THE CENTRAL FOCUS OF THE DISTRICT.
SO YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHAT IS THAT ELEVATION DOING? WHAT ARE THOSE TALLER BUILDINGS DOING TO THE ATTENTION, THE FOCUS, THE PERCEPTION, THE RHYTHM OF THAT STREET FACE.
AND AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO AMELIORATE THAT, WHETHER IT'S HEIGHT, THAT'S WHERE YOUR SETBACK COMES IN.
AS YOU NOTICE, YOU HAD SOME FREEDOM WHEN YOU REDUCED, UH, A SITE OR A BUILDING OR TWO, YOU SUDDENLY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM.
UM, YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM TO AMELIORATE THAT ELEVATION AND THAT BLOCK FACE WALL.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY TAKE THAT, UM, TAKE THAT, TAKE THAT BACK.
I THINK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SPOKEN.
COMMISSIONER, FISH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
I THINK I CONCUR WITH, UH, THE COMMENTS HERE.
THE THREE OUTSTANDING ITEMS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF THAT I THINK NEED, UH, FURTHER INVESTIGATION ARE TWO ITEMS, TWO, THREE, AND NINE.
AND THAT'S THE, THE SETBACKS, PARTICULARLY AT THE STREET, THE INVESTIGATION, THE REDUCTION OF, OF HEIGHT AT LEAST, AND SOME PERHAPS DESIGN INVESTIGATIONS THAT CAN MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE 20 FOOT DRIVE.
I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS AROUND THOSE THREE ISSUES AND I, I THINK I, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF I'M THE BEST ONE TO MAKE A MOTION, THE COMPLEXITY HERE, BUT I CAN TRY, IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
YES, WOULD ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A SHOT.
UM, I, I WANNA PREFACE THIS WITH, YEAH, I LIKE TO CLARIFY.
MAYBE IT'S GONNA HELP IN THE MOTION, UM, YOU KNOW, RE REGARDING THE SETBACK.
YOU KNOW, WE ON, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE, ON THE SOUTH ONE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST RUNNING THAT OFF 32 ON, ON THE NORTH ONE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE UH, WE ACTUALLY CREATED AN EXHIBIT, BUT I KNOW THAT NEW RULES CAN'T, WE CAN'T SHOW ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE WERE KIND OF PLAYING AROUND AND WE ENDED UP LIKE AROUND 37 FEET, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS MORE IN LINE WITH THE 38 AND THE 37 ABOVE.
AND WE STILL HAD ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN OUR STRUCTURE AND OUR DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, AND IT, MAYBE IT MADE OUR, OUR, UH, DRIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, DO.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE OVERALL, UH, MASSING, I LIKE TO CONTINUE EXPLORING THAT AT, AT FINAL.
UM, I'M PRETTY SURE FELIX CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, THE, AND, AND THEN ON THE, ON THE, ON THE ROAD, UM, I THINK MAYBE DOING MORE, UH, WORKING WITH A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR FINDING WAYS TO SHOW IT IN A RENDERING FROM STREET VIEW, HOW WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO KIND OF REDUCE THE VISUAL OF THAT DRIVEWAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME AT FINAL TIME TO TURN OUT ALL THOSE DETAILS.
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KNOW, ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, ONE, ONE THING THAT AT LEAST I PAY A REALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO IS THE SITE PLAN IN TERMS OF MASSING.SO GIVEN THAT THERE'S SOME SETBACKS IN, IN FLUXX HERE AND MAYBE SOME HEIGHTS THAT AREN'T QUITE PINNED DOWN, THAT CAUSES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE.
BUT I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE, UM, MOVING FORWARD WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AMBIGUITY IN THOSE STIPULATIONS.
AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED, UH, 5, 6, 7, 8, AND 10, UH, THOSE ARE THE, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THEY AGREE TO.
UM, IF THAT HELPS, MAYBE MAKE THIS EASIER TO LOOK AT, TO PICK THROUGH FOR A MOTION.
I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS ONE, WITH STIPULATIONS TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT IN INCREASE SETBACKS, PARTICULARLY AT THE STREET OR EXPLORE THAT TO REDUCE IMPACT OF THE TWO STORY ELEVATIONS ALONG THE STREET.
UH, STIPULATIONS THREE, UH, MODIFIED TO SAY EX CONTINUE TO EXPLORE LOWERING OF HEIGHT, AT LEAST IF SOME ARE ALL OF THE REAR STRUCTURES.
UH, I'M EXCLUDING STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR OR ITEMS NUMBER FOUR, EXCUSE ME, INCLUDING 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND INSTEAD CHANGING THAT TO READ, TO PURSUE, UH, DESIGN SOLUTIONS THAT BREAK DOWN THE APPEARANCE OF THE DRIVE AND INCLUDING 10 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND I WILL, UM, ENTERTAIN ANY FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO CLEAN UP ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I THINK THAT WAS VERY WELL DONE.
AND JUST TO ELABORATE UPON THAT ISSUE OF THE DRIVE, IT, IT, FOR ME, IT'S MORE OF THAT, THAT SORT OF THE COM COMBINATION OF THE DRIVE WIDTH AND THE APRON WIDTH AND ALL OF THAT.
IF THAT CAN BE HANDLED IN THE, NOT JUST IN THE SOFTSCAPE, BUT PERHAPS HOW YOU DEFINE THE HARDSCAPE.
SO MAYBE THE HARDSCAPE IS BIFURCATING TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS OR SOMETHING, AND THERE'S A DEFINED 10 FOOT OF ONE MATERIAL THAT THEN BELLS OUT TO BECOME YOUR, YOUR, UM, SOFTSCAPE.
AND THEN INTERESTING, ANOTHER MATERIAL THAT YOU CAN HELP JUST BREAK DOWN THAT PERS PERCEPTION OF THIS THING BEING 20 FEET PLUS APRON WIDTH.
BUT I THINK THAT WAS VERY WELL DONE AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISH.
SO A MOTION IS SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT MOTION.
UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MR. CHAIR.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I, I REMAIN, UM, OPTIMISTIC, UH, EVEN WITH THE NEBULOUS NATURE OF SOME OF THESE MOVES, BUT I AM OPTIMISTIC, SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, WORKING WITH Y'ALL.
IF Y'ALL WANNA HAVE FURTHER DRCS AS YOU DEVELOP THESE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO STAFF, BUT WE LOOK FURTHER, FURTHER, WE'LL REACH OUT, LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, JUST A REMINDER THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, 11 11 AT 1115 NORTH PALMETTO HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, 9 10 NORTH PINE.
I BELIEVE THAT APPLICANT IS, UH, WORKING ON JOINING THE HEARING VIA WEBEX NOW.
UH, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THIS INTO THE RECORD.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 39 10 NORTH PINE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE THE RELOCATION, THE STREET FACING WINDOW WITHIN THE PORCH ON THE FRONT FACADE.
TWO, TO PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE SOUTH FACADE, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A GROUP OF THREE WINDOWS IN PLACE OF TWO WINDOWS WITHIN THE SIDE BAY, THE REMOVAL OF THREE EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS TO THE REAR OF THE SIDE BAY, AND THE INSTALLATION OF A GROUP OF THREE WINDOWS AND A LARGE PICTURE WINDOW.
THREE, TO PERFORM FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE NORTH FACADE, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF TWO GROUPED WINDOWS AND THE INSTALLATION OF A SMALLER SINGULAR WINDOW AND THE INSTALLATION OF TWO GROUPED WINDOWS IN PLACE OF A SINGULAR WINDOW.
FOUR, TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE A SHED ROOF.
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FIVE, TO CONSTRUCT A SIDE AND REAR PORCH WITHIN THE EXISTING RECESS SPACE BEHIND THE EXISTING SIDE BAY STAFF RECOMMEND, EXCUSE ME, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDING B STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE SOUTH BESIDE BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE A PROFILE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND TWO, THAT THE REMOVED WOOD WINDOWS FROM OTHER LOCATIONS AT THE REAR OF THIS LOCATION THAT BE USED IN THE SIDE BAY, AND THAT ALL WINDOWS BE SEPARATED BY MILLIONS AND THAT THE HEAD AND SILL HEIGHTS AND DETAILS MATCH.
THE ORIGINAL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE ONLY REGARDING THE INSTALLATION OF AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE NORTH FACADE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL OTHER WINDOW OPENINGS REMAIN AS THEY EXIST.
A REMOVED WINDOW FROM ANOTHER LOCATION FROM THE SOUTH BESIDE SHOULD BE INSTALLED.
THE WINDOW SHOULD BE SEPARATED BY A MUL AND THE HEAD AND SEAL HEIGHTS SHOULD MATCH.
THE ORIGINAL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF AR REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS E THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT SIDING FEATURE PROFILE THAT EITHER MATCHES THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR TRADITIONAL PROFILE.
TWO, THAT ROOFING MATERIALS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND STANDING SEAM METAL PANEL SHOULD BE SMOOTH AND 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDE SEAM SHOULD BE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH SHOULD BE USED.
RIDGES SHOULD FEATURE CRIMPED OR MUNCH DETAILS AND THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED REAR EDITION FEATURE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS.
ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROFILES AND SHOULD BE IN A ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR SCREEN PORCH DECK WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING MATERIALS AND COLUMN PROFILES.
COLUMN SHOULD FEATURE A PROFILE THAT, UH, EXCUSE ME, OF AT LEAST SIX INCHES SQUARE, UH, THE APPLICANT, DAVID ERICKSON IS JOINING VIRTUALLY.
I'M HERE AND I, UM, AGREE WITH ALL THE STAFF'S FINDINGS.
I JUST DIDN'T TELL THEM IN TIME, SO VERY GOOD.
YEAH, I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES BEING PROPOSED AND YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A REALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENT TO TO, TO, UH, TO MAKE THOSE ALTERATIONS WITHOUT, UH, KINDA THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS HAS MADE HERE.
SO IT, GIVEN THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK IT SHOWS THE, THE PATH OF, OF VALOR HERE ON THIS ONE.
SO I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS A SECOND.
THERE IS, UH, VOICEMAIL, UH, FOR THIS CASE THAT, PARDON? IF WE COULD PLAY GOT AHEAD OF THINGS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIG WHITTY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH TWO 30, LOCATED AT NINE 10 NORTH PINE STREET.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS.
FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, BUT WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROPOSED PICTURE WINDOW IS ACTUALLY TWO OR THREE, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS GROUPED TOGETHER THAT ARE SEPARATED BY AION AND THE HEAD AND SILL HEIGHT SHOULD MATCH THE ORIGINAL LARGE PICTURE.
WINDOWS ARE NOT NORMAL IN ANY HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE PROPOSED EDITION OR ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.
THE SIDING ON THE REAR ADDITION SHOULD BE HORIZONTAL TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, NOT VERTICAL IN REFERENCE TO THE SCREENED IN PORCH.
NOTHING SHOULD BE APPROVED UNTIL ALL ELEVATIONS AND MATERIALS IS PROVIDED AT H D R C MEETINGS.
WHY ARE APPROVALS WITH STIPULATIONS BEING APPROVED WITHOUT ALL OF THE SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, AND MATERIALS LIST PROVIDED.
THANK YOU I AND, UH, TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS, IF THE COMMISSION NEEDS, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT REGARDING THE PICTURE WINDOW, UH, AND ALSO, UH, THE SIDING PROFILE AND, UH, NOTING THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO SUBMIT INFORMATION REGARDING THE MATERIALS AND COLUMN PROFILE.
THAT'S SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO THE SCREENING ELEMENT AND THE COLUMNS THAT YOU SEE HERE.
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GOING TO BE MY QUESTION OF THE DETAILS AND, UM, OTHER DRAWINGS.SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MAY HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C, CASE NUMBER, UH, 2020 2 2 27 11 0 3 EAST COMMERCE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL.
TWO ONE INSTALL ONE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED.
UH, IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME, WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE ME TO READ EACH ONE OF THESE, OR, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR EACH? IT, IT'S MAY GONNA BE A WHILE I THINK, UH, READING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE'LL GET WITH THE APPLICANT FOR HIS, UH, RESPONSE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE.
THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW MONUMENT SIGN ON CENTER STREET BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT SIGNAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BEING INSTALLED.
REFACING, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE WOULD BE PERMITTED BY CODE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW MONUMENT SIGN ON CHESTNUT STREET BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS A SIGNAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BEING INSTALLED.
REFACING, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE WILL BE PERMITTED BY CODE FOR ITEMS 3, 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
GENERALLY STAFF FINDS OR STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REFINES SIGNAGE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THE GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE RECOMMEND THREE TOTAL SIGNS PER APPLICATION NOT TO EXCEED 50 SQUARE FEET, WHILE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE MAY BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
SIGNAGE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GAR WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING MATERIALS AND ILLUMINATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CLARIFY, UH, SOME OF THE PROPOSED SIGN ELEMENTS INCLUDING, UH, OVERALL MATERIALS AND ILLUMINATION.
HELLO, I'M MARK WEINSTEIN, AND THIS IS MY INTERN TIBOR RITTER.
WE, UH, OWN THE BEST WESTERN PLUS SUNSET SUITES ON COMMERCE AND 2 81 AND WE'RE CURRENTLY RENOVATING IT.
AND, UM, IN THE PROCESS WE'RE REBRANDING IT TO A NEW, UH, FLAG UNDER THE BEST WESTERN FAMILY, WHICH IS AIDEN.
AND SO SOME OF THIS, UM, THESE NOT RECOMMENDED, I BELIEVE EDWARD AND I SPOKE, THERE WAS POSSIBLY SOME CONFUSION ON OUR ILLUMINATION, BUT IN REGARD TO QUANTITY OF SIGNS AND THE, UM, REPLACEMENT OF THE MONUMENT SIGNS, WE'RE REALLY MORE MODIFYING THE NEW LOGO OF AIDEN REPLACING THE EXISTING SIGNS WITH THE NEW LOGO.
SO I CAN GO THROUGH EACH ONE IF YOU'D LIKE.
I THINK NUMBER ONE, YES, PLEASE.
UH, MONUMENT SIGN NUMBER ONE'S THE MONUMENT SIGN, CORRECT.
CURRENTLY, I, I DIDN'T BRING THE PHOTOS OF IT, BUT WE HAVE A BEST WEST DO.
WELL, I DON'T, I DIDN'T BRING ONE OF THE EXISTING SIGN, BUT WELL, I CAN, I CAN USE GOOGLE EARTH, JUST BEAR WITH ME.
AND THAT IMAGE MAY BE BIGGER THAN IT IS GONNA BE IN REAL LIFE, BUT, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT COMMISSIONERS, WHILE I'M PULLING THIS UP, UM, BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY IN AGREEMENT TO HAVING SIGNS FEATURE METAL FACES AND INDIRECT OR BACK LIT ILLUMINATION AND NOT GLOWING CABINETS.
UH, SO I'LL PREFACE ALL OF THIS WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT THE CON THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, I'LL GO TO A SECTION NOTE.
UH, A THREE 16TH INCH ACRYLIC FACE FOR EACH SIGN, WHICH TO STAFF INDICATES THAT THE ENTIRE CABINET WILL GLOW, UH, REGARDLESS IF IT'S A LETTER OR A A CABINET.
THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THAT WAS NOT THEIR INDEED INTENT.
NO, THEY ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANNA GO THROUGH EACH ONE, I CAN.
THESE ONES THOUGH, I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP TO THE EXISTING, WHICH IS A CABINET.
TECHNICALLY YOU COULD REFACE WHAT IS THERE NOW, AND THAT'S ALLOWED BY CODE.
THE MINUTE THAT YOU REMOVE THAT EXISTING MONUMENT AND INSTALL A UIN, YOU WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES.
I THINK THE LOGO SIZE IS MY ISSUE ON THIS ONE.
SO I MAYBE I SPOKE WITH THE SIGN, UH, MANUFACTURER AND HE SAID HE CAN DO A CHANNEL LETTER WITH THE, UM, MINIMAL LIGHTING, UH, BUT NOT DOING THE WHITE FACE ILLUMINATED.
UH, IT'S A SMALL, YOU CALL IT A POLE SIGN OR WHATNOT, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH THIS SIGN THAT'S SHOWN HERE.
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RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS SIGN IS THAT THE SIGN, UH, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY SAY A MOD, A MONUMENT SIGN IS APPROPRIATE.HOWEVER, IT SHOULD FEATURE INDIRECT OR NON ENGINE WITH A METAL FACE OR A STONE ELEMENT.
BASICALLY NO PLASTIC FACE, NO GLOWING CABINET.
SIGN NUMBER TWO, UH, IS IDENTICAL.
IS IDENTICAL TO SIGN NUMBER ONE.
HOWEVER, SIGN NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED, UH, JUST BACK AROUND THE CORNER RIGHT HERE BESIDE THE, UH, REAR DRIVE THROUGH ENTRANCE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED.
THIS EXISTING SIGN CONFIGURATION COULD BE PERMITTED BY CODE, UH, TO BE REPLACED IN KIND.
UH, SINCE IT EXISTS, THE REFACE IS ALLOWED BY CODE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
UH, THE MINUTE THAT THIS CHANGES, THIS CABINET CHANGES, IT WOULD NEED TO CONFORM WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UH, SIGN NUMBER THREE IS THE SIGN THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON THIS FACADE OF THE SIDE OR THE REAR DRIVE-THROUGH.
UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIGN THAT WOULD FACE WEST.
HOWEVER, THESE ARE AT DIFFERENT LEVELS, UH, GENERALLY DIFFERENT FACADE ANGLES AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UH, STAFF FINDS THIS SIGN TO BE APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, UM, THESE LETTERS SHOULD NOT BE INTERNALLY GLOWING LETTERS EITHER INDIRECTLY LIT OR HALO LIT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE MANNER, UH, WITH A METAL FACE.
UH, SIGN NUMBER FOUR IS A BLADE SIGN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, UH, AT THE CORNER HERE.
UM, GENERALLY THE SIGN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
IT WOULD ALSO BE CONSISTENT WITH EXAMPLES OF OTHER BLADE SIGNS, UH, THAT ARE FOUND IN THE ST.
PAUL SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, UH, NEW SIGN SIGNAGE, UM, AT ST.
PAUL SQUARE THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THIS TORO SIGN.
UH, THAT SIGN WOULD BE LOCATED AT THE CORNER.
STAFF FINDS THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE, UH, WITH THE SAME STIPULATION.
UH, THIS WHITE AREA AS WELL AS THE RED AREA SHOULD ALL FEATURE A METAL FACE.
UM, WHAT MOST SIGNAGE COMPANIES WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD ROUTE OUT THE LETTERS AND HAVE AN ACRYLIC FACE THERE TO WHERE AT NIGHT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD GLOW WOULD BE THE LETTERS SIGN.
NUMBER FIVE IS A PROPOSED CANOPY SIGN.
IT'S TO BE LOCATED ON EAST COMMERCE, UH, GENERALLY IN THE LOCATION OF THIS EXISTING BEST WESTERN SIGN.
UH, STAFF ALSO FINDS THIS SIGN TO BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, THE CONFIGURATION OF IT IF THE APPLICANT USES A METAL FACE WOULD GENERALLY RESULT IN, UH, A RELATIVELY UNIQUE LIGHTING METHOD, AS YOU WOULD PROBABLY ONLY GET LIGHTING THROUGH THE PUSH THROUGH, UH, DOTS THAT WOULD, UH, GIVE A COOL EFFECT.
UM, THE SAME THING WITH THIS SIGN.
UM, A METAL FACE, NO INTERNAL ILLUMINATION, EITHER HALO LIGHTING, INDIRECT LIGHTING, OR, UM, IF THESE SMALL, UH, OPENINGS ARE LIT TO GIVE THE SHAPE OF THE LETTER, THAT WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE.
THE NEXT SIGN, UH, WOULD BE SIGN NUMBER SIX THAT'S LOCATED, UM, BACK UP SOME THAT'S LOCATED ON THE WEST FACADE AT THE FOURTH STORY OF THE MAIN HOTEL STRUCTURE.
UM, GENERALLY THIS SIGN IS RELATIVELY LARGE, HOWEVER, GIVEN ITS LOCATION AND ITS REPLACEMENT OF THIS EXISTING SIGN, STAFF FINDS THAT WOULD GENERALLY BE APPROPRIATE PROVIDED THE SAME, UH, SAME STANDARDS METAL FACE, ONLY THE ACTUAL LETTERS BEING ILLUMINATED, NO GLOWING CABINET.
AND SIGN NUMBER SEVEN IS PROPOSED ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS ALSO AN EXISTING SIGN LOCATION.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE WE'RE REPLACING THIS EXISTING SIGN.
THE SAME COMMENT, UH, THAT STAFF IS GIVEN FOR EACH OTHER.
SIGN METAL FACES, UH, NO INTERNAL GLOWING CABINET.
UH, SORRY, LET ME BACK TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UM, THE SIGNAGE THAT'S PROPOSED IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE GUIDELINES IN THESE U D C RECOMMEND PER APPLICATION.
THE U D C AND THE GUIDELINES BOTH SAY ONE MAJOR, TWO MINOR SIGNS TOTALING 50 SQUARE FEET UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.
UH, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPERTY THAT HAS A STREET FACE OR HAS STREET FRONTAGE ON THREE DIFFERENT STREETS, UM, SHOULD, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT NECESSARILY FIND WHAT'S PROPOSED TO BE IN EXCESS OF WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
HOWEVER, DO NOTE AS THE COMMISSION, YOU WILL NEED TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AS YOU DO WITH EVERY SIGNAGE APPLICATION THAT YOU REVIEW THAT HAS MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET PROPOSED.
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I, I DON'T THINK I COULD ADD ANYTHING BETTER, BUT WE WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING HE, UH, SUGGESTEDUM, YOU KNOW, I THINK GIVEN THE, THE FACT NOT ONLY IS IT FRONTING ONTO THREE, THREE STREETS, BUT IT'S FRONTING ONTO A A FREEWAY AND THAT WHERE YOU HAVE ELEVATED VIEWS AS WELL AND YOU'RE HAVING TO NAVIGATE AROUND IN A, IN A SORT OF, UH, STRANGE CON CONGESTED PART OF TOWN THAT IT MAKES SOME SENSE TO HAVE THIS ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, FOR ITEM, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, ARE YOU WANTING TO RETAIN THOSE AS ILLUMINATED CASES AND JUST REFACE THEM? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY LIVE WITH A REFACING, THE EXISTING CABINET.
BUT THE REST OF THEM YOU'RE COMPLYING WITH THE IDEA OF WHERE THERE METAL LETTERS NO INTERNAL GLOBE.
THERE WAS NEVER INTENT TO HAVE AN ILLUMINATED BOX THAT WE'RE GOING FOR THE MORE SUBTLE, UM, UH, GLOWING LOOK.
SO, UM, UNLESS OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, YES, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, ONTO YOUR, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION OR, UM, UM, DETAILS ON THE RECOVERING OF THE CABINET FOR THE MONUMENT SIGN.
SO THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT, UM, RE UH, REFACING THE CABINET.
SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A RECTANGULAR BOX, THE SAME RECTANGULAR BOX WITH THE SAME DIMENSIONS.
IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? CORRECT.
THAT THE EXISTING CABINET STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN JUST A NEW PLASTIC FACE BEING INSTALLED.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE REDUCED SIZE? WELL, IT, IT IS A LITTLE TOUGHER WITH THE LOGO, BUT UM, I CAN PROBABLY ADD SOME DIFFERENT TEXT UNDERNEATH FOR, TO MAYBE EVEN APPROVE OR BENEFIT THE BRAND BY SAYING BUY BEST WESTERN SOMETHING.
SO I CAN FIND SOMETHING IF NECESSARY.
IF, IF THE COMMISSION IS WILLING TO APPROVE THE NEW MONUMENT SIGN, I'D BE MORE THAN GLAD TO PUT IT UP THERE, BUT WE CAN LIVE WITH THIS.
WELL, UH, THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION.
I JUST WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PLAYED OUT.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ALRIGHT, I'LL ATTEMPT A MOTION HERE.
SO I, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR THE ITEMS PRESENTED, UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN, UH, WITH THE CLARIFICATIONS THAT ITEMS ONE AND TWO WILL BE A REFACING OF EXISTING, UH, UH, SIGN CABINETS AND THAT THE REMAINDER OF THE SIGNS WILL HAVE METAL LETTERS WITH NO ELIMINATED, UH, GLOWING CABINETS AND, UH, APPROVAL OF THE EXCEEDING AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR, UH, THE SIGNAGE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
ACTUALLY, JESSICA, BEFORE YOU START, UH, CAN WE TAKE A SHORT BREAK? I'LL ALLOW IT.
I'D LIKE TO RECONVENE THE TOKIN DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.
UM, ARE WE LIVE? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD.
H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 4 5 3 20 EAST LOCUST.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 240 SQUARE FOOT REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING E I HAVE THE A APPLICANT.
SO I'M, I'M THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER.
SO, UM, UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, LET ME, I'D LIKE TO START BY APOLOGIZING HERE FOR PROCEEDING ON THIS WITHOUT THE, UH, THE HISTORIC REVIEW.
WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS ONGOING RIGHT NOW WHERE, I MEAN, AT LEAST IN MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE'RE WORKING WELL WITH O H P.
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UM, IN THOSE CASES, THE HISTORIC REVIEW WAS REALLY TRIGGERED BY THE, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, IN THIS CASE, UH, WITH A, A DETACHED, UH, UH, TOOL SHED.THE, UH, LESS THAN 300 SQUARE FEET, THE, THE PERMIT'S NOT REQUIRED, UM, BUT I SHOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT I HAD TO RUN IT BY, UH, O H P AND GET, GET THE APPROVAL THERE.
SO I PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE, UM, UH, ITEM E WAS, IS BASED ON THE MATERIAL SELECTED AND NOT MATCHING THE, UM, THE MATERIALS FOR THE, THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, AND I PUT TOGETHER AN EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS SOME STRUCTURES, JUST, UH, SOME EXAMPLE STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY THAT HAVE SIMILAR KIND OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE FIRST IS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT THERE, WHICH IS THE CARPORT AT THE EXISTING SITE, WHICH HAS THE GAL BLOOM ROOF THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT IT HAS THE RED, UH, METAL FRAME AND THE GAL BLOOM ROOF.
AND THEN THIS STRUCTURE IS, UH, IN THE ALLEYWAY AND EVERY BUILDING, UM, ACROSS FROM IT IN THE ALLEYWAY, WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM, UH, FROM, FROM THE ENTRANCE, UH, UH, TO THE ALLEY, HAS A METAL ROOF, UM, A GAL BLOOM ROOF.
AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS.
ONE IS AT THE ECOLOGY CENTER THAT'S, UH, LITTLE WAYS AWAY THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN THERE'S, UM, ANOTHER FROM LIKE A SMALL SHOPPING CENTER THAT SHOWS A FACADE THAT HAS A, A, A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION.
THE, UM, THE FRONT AND BACK OF THE STRUCTURE DO HAVE A SIDING NOW SIMILAR TO, UH, THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND ONE THING THAT IS POSSIBLE IS I COULD DO THE VERTICAL WALLS AS WELL WITH A SIMILAR, UH, SIDING, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT, THAT'S ONE THING TO PUT ON THE TABLE.
IT'D BE GOOD TO GET A REACTION TO THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
OH WAIT, THAT'S FOR MY OTHER CASE.
NO, COREY, CAN YOU CONFIRM THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, THERE'S NOT.
UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, UM, COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.
WHEN WAS THE EXISTING MILL CARPORT CONSTRUCTED? UM, THAT WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO OR SO.
UM, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE, MAYBE SIX YEARS AGO.
AND WERE YOU THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME? YES.
AND DID THAT GO THROUGH REVIEW, REVIEW PROCESS? UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT DID, I MEAN, IT HAD ALL THE PERMITS APPLICABLE PERFORMANCE, AND I ASSUME TO GET ALL THAT, UM, THE CONTRACTOR TOOK CARE OF IT.
SO I WASN'T PERSONALLY INVOLVED, BUT I ASSUMED THAT IT HAD TO GO THROUGH HISTORIC REVIEW AS WELL IN ORDER TO, UH, TO GET THE APPROVAL FOR THAT.
AND YOU MENTIONED THE USE OF SIDING TO CLOSE THE, THE ENDS OF THE, OF THE PREFABRICATED METAL, UM, UH, STRUCTURE.
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT FOR THAT? ARE IS THERE AN OVERHEAD ROLLING DOOR? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE OR SEGMENTED DOOR? UM, YEAH, SO ON THE FRONT WOULD BE A ROLLUP DOOR.
SO THE, THE PURPOSE IS FOR A, A TOOL SHED STORE TOOLS.
AND SO THE, THE ROLLUP DOOR WOULD ALLOW THE EASY ACCESS AND THE BACK WOULD JUST BE SOLID, UH, SIDING IN THE BACK.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE ENCLOSED WITH WOOD FRAMING, UH, BASICALLY AND THEN THE SIDING.
WOOD FRAMING AND THEN THE SIDING ON TOP OF THAT.
THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR THESE, UH, FOR THESE STRUCTURES.
I, YOU, YOU MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT ABOUT PARTICULARLY, UH, GIVEN YOUR, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE PEARL AND SOME OTHER THINGS THERE.
THE, UH, THERE'S SOME QUONSET HUTS AND, UH, THAT UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THEM ARE SLATED TO GO AWAY, UH, SOON AS, AS REDEVELOPMENT IS TAKING PLACE THERE.
BUT, UH, THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS THAT THIS IS RESPONDING TO, UM, THAT I THINK MAKES A, A LEGITIMATE ARGUMENT.
IT'S JUST THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SEE THAT FREQUENTLY, UM, IN, IN OTHER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT IT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE HERE.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK.
UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE CARPORT AGAIN.
UM, WHAT ARE THOSE COLUMNS MADE OF? IT'S METAL, IT'S ALL METAL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FRAME.
UM, 'CAUSE I, UM, I DROVE BY THIS, CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT, FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE BACK.
EVERYBODY, MOST OF THE FOLKS ALONG THAT BACK ALLEY HAVE HIGHLY OR HIGHLY VISIBLE BACKYARDS, OPEN FENCES, GATES, OR, UH,
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IRON THINGS.AND SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYBODY'S BACKYARD INCLUDING THIS ONE.
SO I WAS REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE HISTORY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S THE, UH, ACCUMULATION OF CONSTRUCTION THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
UM, UM, I'M NOT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO THE ORIGINAL C O A FOR THE CARPORT, UM, REQUIRED IT TO BE A WOOD CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S CLEARLY MADE OF STEEL.
WELL, THAT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, THERE'S A FENCE THAT DIVIDES THE PRIMARY HOUSE, THE MAIN HOUSE ON LOCUST AND THIS BACK COMPOUND SIX FOOT FENCE, I BELIEVE.
AND I DIDN'T FIND A, I DIDN'T FIND A C O A FOR THAT.
WAS THAT YEAH, THAT THE MAIN, THE MAIN FENCE WAS CONSTRUCTED, UM, AT THE SAME TIME AS, AS THE CARPORT.
THERE WAS, UM, THERE WAS ONLY A FENCE REQUEST FOR THE GATE ALONG THE ALLEY, NOTHING FOR THE WOOD FENCE.
AND SO WHAT GOT ME REALLY CURIOUS IS THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE SEEMS TO BE VERY SEPARATE FROM THIS.
AND CONSIDERING THAT LITTLE SHED THAT'S NOT SHOWN IN THE PHOTOS, THE SHED IS A LITTLE BATHROOM STRUCTURE.
NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE A, IT DOESN'T HAVE BATHROOM IN THERE.
IT DOES, IT DOES HAVE A PLUMBING CAPABILITY, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S BASICALLY JUST A STORAGE AREA.
SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE DWELLING COMPOUND INCREMENTALLY BEING PUT TOGETHER.
UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN ONE DRIVES BY IT AND SEES IT, IT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I SEE HERE.
UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A REAL D I Y SITUATION.
COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU KNOW, I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS IN TERMS OF SCALE AND HEIGHT, IN TERMS OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND ITS POSITION, IT SEEMS APPROPRIATE.
UM, THE, I THINK STAFF IS RIGHT ON THE MATERIAL.
GENERALLY THE ROLLED FORM AND THE LARGE FEATURES IS OUT OF PLACE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT I WOULD CONSIDER THIS APPROPRIATE IN MANY PLACES, BUT THIS PLACE COULD BE AN EXCEPTION GIVEN, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAD MENTIONED EARLIER.
ITS VISIBILITY IS A, A PRINCIPLE CONCERN OF MINE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WEREN'T TO RECEIVE APPROVAL TODAY, TRYING TO DRESS THIS THING UP AND CONCEAL IT IN A TRADITIONAL, CONVENTIONAL FORM, I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT GOING VERY WELL OR BEING A VERY, VERY REASONABLE OUTCOME EITHER.
SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY SIMPLE SOLUTIONS THAT DEAL WITH THE ISSUES THAT STAFF IS POINTING OUT AND, UM, I'M NOT TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH IT MYSELF, BUT MM-HMM.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, ONE, ONE POSSIBLE OPTION TOO.
AND TO BE HONEST, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED AT THE OVERALL HEIGHT AS WELL WHEN I, UH, WHEN I CONSTRUCTED IT.
UM, SO ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHT.
SO, UH, WHAT I COULD DO IS REDUCE THE HEIGHT OF THE VERTICAL SIDEWALLS, GO BY A COUPLE OF FEET, UM, TO, UH, TO BRING IT DOWN SOMEWHAT SO IT WOULDN'T BE AS, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS AS VISIBLE.
HOW IS IT, HOW IS IT ATTACHED TO THE SLAB? IT'S BOLTED DOWN.
SO TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD CUT.
HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO THERE'S THE ARCHED PART, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE TOP THAT, THAT ATTACHES TO THE TWO VERTICALS.
AND SO I WOULD DECONSTRUCT THAT, TAKE THE ARCHES OFF, AND THEN I COULD CUT THE VERTICALS DOWN, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHATEVER WE, WE COULD AGREE TO POSSIBLY.
AND THEN, UH, IT WOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THEN TO DRILL THE NEW HOLES FOR ATTACHING THE ARCH SUPPORT.
SO THE VERTICAL, UM, SIDEWALLS WOULD BE REDUCED IN HEIGHT TO BRING DOWN THE OVERALL HEIGHT.
AND WOULD YOU BE, UH, WILLING TO MOVE THAT DOWN TWO FEET OVERALL? SO THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS NINE FEET INSTEAD OF 11 FEET? YES.
I THINK THAT'S VERY DOABLE AND WOULD STILL ALLOW ME TO, TO DO WHAT I, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO USE IT FOR AND STILL STORE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I NEED TO IN THERE.
I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN HELPING ME WITH SOME OF MY CONCERNS ON VISIBILITY, GIVEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A 10 FOOT FENCE AND THERE'S A REDUCED PROFILE THAT STICKS UP IN THE AIR.
SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE HEIGHT BE REDUCED BY TWO FEET AND NOT EXCEED NINE FEET ABOVE THE GROUND.
I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT IS THE, UM, THE FORM AND THE MATERIAL IS FOREIGN, FAIRLY FOREIGN TO THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE, OF THE BLOCK, EVEN THOUGH IT IS CLOSE TO SOME MORE INDUSTRIAL TYPE FACILITIES.
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UM, I'M INCLINED TO NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION.UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER FISH'S ATTEMPTS TO, TO KIND OF MAKE LEMONADE OUTTA LEMONS HERE.
BUT I, I THINK THE, UM, THE OTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IS THE, UH, THE END WALLS AND THEIR ENCLOSURE.
UM, IF YOU REDUCE THIS DOWN BY TWO FEET, I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY IN WHICH YOU CAN HAVE MORE, MAYBE MORE LIKE A CARRIAGE DOOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, LESS OF THIS SORT OF GARAGE DOOR APPROACH TO IT.
AND AS YOU SAID, PICK UP ON THE, UM, THE MATERIAL OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT BECOMES A BIT OF A, AN INTERESTING, UH, WHIMSICAL HYBRID RATHER THAN SORT OF SOMETHING THAT GOES TOTALLY INDUSTRIAL.
WOULD, WOULD, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, LIKE TO MAYBE ADJUST, UH, THE MOTION TO INCLUDE SOME DIRECTIVE ON THE, ON THE END WALLS? YES.
COULD YOU OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT EFFECT? YEAH.
SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE MOTION OF REDUCING THE HEIGHT BY TWO FEET, THAT THE END WALLS, UH, BE INFILLED WITH WOOD FRAMING AND SIDING TO BE, UH, COMPARABLE TO THE, UH, PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND, UH, USE OF SWINGING, UH, CARRIAGE DOORS RATHER THAN AN OVERHEAD GARAGE DOOR AMENDED AS SO MY SECOND STANCE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
UH, REMINDER THAT ITEM 20 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT ONE 14 DEBERRY ITEM 21 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 24 7 5 0 7 NOLAN STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE EXISTING METAL WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WINDOW TYPE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS BELOW AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT MEETS STAFF'S STANDARDS WOULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE.
COREY, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO READ THE, UM, SPECIFICATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS INTO THE RECORD? NO, UH, THERE ARE STANDARD STIPULATIONS AND I HAVE, UM, THE APPLICANT ON THE LINE.
I BELIEVE IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT.
LORENA RINGLE? NO, THIS IS LOURDES JACKSON.
I JUST WANNA PROPOSE THAT, UH, I BE ABLE TO INSTALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KINDLY ASK THAT YOU PASS MY REQUEST TO FINALLY COMPLETE MY PROJECT LOCATED AT 5 0 7 NOLAN INITIAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
BASED ON THAT, I AM ASKING TO HAVE INSTALLED EXACTLY WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING.
I OWN ALSO 5 0 3 NOLAN, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.
I'M ASKING TO INSTALL THE SAME WINDOWS THAT I GOT, UM, APPROVAL TO INSTALL AT THE STAFF LEVEL ON 2018.
SO I'M NOT ASKING TO INSTALL ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
I'M THE, THE CURRENT WINDOWS THERE ARE NOT ABLE TO BE FIXED.
THERE ARE BENT AND, UH, DAMAGE BEYOND REPAIR FROM ASKING TO, TO HAVE THE, THE, THE SAME WINDOWS THAT GOT APPROVED.
AND I GOT A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, UH, FOR, FOR 5 0 3.
I'M JUST, AND EVEN THE SAME, UM, YOU KNOW, SPACES EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I'M ASKING TO HAVE THAT, UM, APPROVED.
SO WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL THE NEW BRONZE ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING TO HAVE INSTALLED WITH THE SAME OPENINGS AND EVERYTHING.
UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD, UH, ISSUE THE CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE, IF PLEASE, TODAY ASIDE PLAN MAKING NO NOTIFICATIONS WHATSOEVER OF WHAT I CURRENTLY HAVE IN 5 0 3 NOLAN AND WHAT COULD BE THERE.
UH, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ALUMINUM WINDOWS.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JUST, DO WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT INSTALL IN THE PACKAGE OR CAN WE LOOK AT THAT ON STREET VIEW? I HAVE IT AS A LATE EXHIBIT FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, 5 0 3 NOLAN IS THE HOUSE NEXT, NEXT DOOR.
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YES.AND I SENT YOU PICTURES, UH, SO YOU COULD SEE THAT HOW THEY LOOK.
SO I TAKE IT THE WINDOWS AT 5 0 3, THEY WERE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BACK IN 2018.
UM, IT WAS APPROVAL FOR BRONZE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHAT THE OWNER APPLIED FOR, FOR 5 0 7 NOLAN IS A VINYL WINDOW PRODUCT.
SO, UM, IN MY CUP IN BEEN MISCOMMUNICATED, BUT I'M PLANNING ON SIGNING EXACTLY THE SAME.
I ACTUALLY HAVE PICTURES OF THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT I'M GOING TO BUY.
I THINK IT WAS THE TAG THAT WAS MISTAKEN WHEN I, I SENT MAYBE THE PHOTOS OF THE WINDOW.
WELL, AND OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT MEETS THE NORMAL, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE STIPULATIONS.
I, I PLAN ON INSTALL EXACTLY THE SAME AS 5 0 3, WHICH IS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW.
I MOVE THAT SHE BE ALLOWED TO INSTALL, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOWS AS SHE REQUESTED.
AND THAT STAFF HAS STIPULATED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE, UM, THAT STAFF CONFIRM THAT THE WINDOWS IN 5 0 3, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, DO MEET THE, UH, DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OR STIPULATIONS? YES.
I'M IN MY MOTION TO VERIFY AND CONFIRM THAT THE WINDOWS OF THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE ARE ALUMINUM AND THAT THEY COMPLY WITH.
YEAH, THE ONLY THING IS I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TRIM DETAILS, BUT AT, BASED ON THE PHOTOS, THEY ARE PRETTY THIN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THIN KIND OF RAILS THAT ARE NORMALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF FLAT AND JUNKY.
SO
IT WOULD NEVER BE RECOMMENDED JUST FOR CLARITY, FOR A REPLACEMENT OF AN ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW.
NO, EVEN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
I'M EVEN KEEPING THE SAME SIZES AND EVERYTHING TO COMPLY WITH HISTORIC.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 0 8 7 100 TAYLOR STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL UTILITY GENERATORS AND TRANSFORMERS IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
ENCLOSED THE EXISTING BREEZEWAYS.
THREE, MODIFY THE STREET LEVEL STOREFRONT ON THE EAST FACADE IN ONE STOREFRONT BAY BY REMOVING THE EXISTING ENTRANCE AND STONE FACADE.
APPLY BLACKOUT FILM TO THE EXISTING STOREFRONT GLAZING.
INSTALL A NEW FENCE AROUND THE NEW UTILITY POWER AREA.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF REAR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED BY FENCING NOT TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO.
THE ENCLOSURE OF THE EXISTING BREEZEWAYS IS NOTED IN BINDING.
C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THESE BREEZEWAYS REMAIN OPEN AND UNALTERED IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE AND APPROVE THE ENCLOSURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ANY PERMANENT INFILL WALLS BE SET BACK WITHIN THE OPENING AND BE DISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE STREET WALL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, MODIFICATIONS TO ONE STOREFRONT BAY ITS ENTRANCE AND STONE FACADE BASED ON FINDING D STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
THE INSTALLATION OF BLACKOUT WINDOW TIN IS NOTED IN FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF REAR FENCING BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE STIPULATION THAT
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FENCING DOES NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.THERE ARE ALSO ARCHEOLOGICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS CASE.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, PAULA, PAULA IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO PRESENT YOUR CASE.
WE DID MEET WITH, UM, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND WE HAD COME UP WITH, THEY HAD GIVEN US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WE HAD SENT, UM, REVISED RENDERINGS FOR.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE.
WE HAD, WE HAD WORKED OUT SOME SOLUTIONS AND I HAD LET OUR CASE HANDLER KNOW THIS, BUT SHE SAID IT WAS NOTED, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD, UM, WHAT THAT WE HAD COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS THAT APPROVED, THAT THEY APPROVED THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH.
UM, SOME OF THEM WERE LIKE ALLOWING THE BREEZEWAY, UM, WE WERE GONNA SET THEM BACK ABOUT FOUR FEET AND THEN DO SOME KIND OF HISTORIC PAINTINGS THAT KIND OF GAVE A WINK BACK TO WHAT THE BUILDING WAS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE OR IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU HAVE THE, THE REST OF OUR INFORMATION.
SO WE HAVE YOUR UPDATED PLANS, PAULA, UM, I'M SHOWING FINDING B HERE.
UH, SO THIS WAS REFERRED FROM H D R C FROM A PRIOR CASE, UM, TO D R C? NO.
UM, NO DECISIONS WERE MADE ABOUT ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS CASE SO FAR.
UM, SO I'LL GO TO THE MOST RECENT DOCUMENTS FOR THIS CASE, WHICH REFLECT, UM, MODIFICATIONS MADE BASED OFF OF D R C RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE MOST RECENT DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED ON APRIL 2ND.
YEAH, SO OUR PROPOSAL, UM, WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THE, UM, D R C WAS TO, UM, THAT, SO THERE'S A COMPUTER HARDWARE BEHIND THOSE, UM, WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS IS A DATA CENTER BUILDING.
UM, AND THE CLIENT WANTS TO, UH, CONTINUE THE EXPANSION OF THIS SPACE INTO THE FIRST FLOOR AREAS.
UM, SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD PROPOSED THE BLACKOUT WINDOWS, BUT AFTER TALKING WITH, UM, THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS WE CAME UP WITH WAS TO SET THAT, UM, BLACKED OUT.
IT WOULDN'T BE BLACKED OUT ANYMORE, IT WOULD JUST BE A WALL SET BACK ABOUT FOUR FEET, UH, FROM THE EXTERIOR, UM, BLAZING.
AND ON THESE WINDOWS WE WOULD ALLOW TO, UH, MAYBE HAVE SOME LOCAL ARTISTS, UH, PUT SOME LOCAL ART, ART AND DISPLAY AREA TO MAKE IT MORE OF AN INTERESTING AND APPEALING, UH, VIEW FROM THE STREET.
AND THEN THE, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN OPEN BREEZEWAY, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS CREATE, UM, CREATE, AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE THE, THE CARS THERE.
THAT WAS A, UM, UH, I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.
I WAS GONNA REVIEW THAT INFORMATION RIGHT BEFORE THE CALL AND WE JUST HAD A REALLY BUSY DAY HERE, BUT IT WAS A, UM, CAR MANUFACTURING OR A CAR MANUFACTURING FACILITY.
SO THAT WOULD KINDA GIVE A NOD BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.
UM, IT WOULD BE BLUSH WITH THE FRONT, BUT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN OPENING.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, IT'D BE LIKE A MASONRY PRODUCT PAINTED.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? CORY, WERE THERE COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE? I DON'T SEE THAT WE HAVE ANY, I DON'T EITHER.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FLOOR PLAN THAT'S SHOWN ON DRAWING OR THE SHEET 43.
WOULD YOU, UH, CONSIDER WHERE WE'VE GOT THE BREEZEWAY, THOSE TWO BAYS TO PUSH, UH, BASICALLY
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WHERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CRACK UNITS, WHATEVER THEIR, THEIR NAMES ARE.IF THAT BECAME YOUR EXTERIOR WALL AND, UM, INCLUDING WHERE THE NEW, UH, EXTERIOR DOOR IS, THE, THE DOOR DOWN TO THE BASEMENT OR GO UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, IF THAT WALL WAS THE EXTERIOR WALL.
SO THERE, THERE, FROM THE SIDEWALK LEVEL, THERE STILL WAS A RECESS THERE THAT REFERENCED THE OLD BREEZEWAY.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD CONSIDER? WE WOULD CONSIDER IT.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY OBJECTION I'VE REALLY HEARD FROM THE CLIENT IS THAT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A HOMELESS PROBLEM THERE AND THEY DON'T WANNA MAKE LIKE AN AREA WHERE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE A GATHERING PLACE, BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT AESTHETICALLY.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THEM, BUT IT'S JUST MORE OF A, A CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT HAVING PEOPLE GATHER THERE.
UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, AS I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY FROM THE, THE R C, YOU, THE MODIFICATION TO THE LAW IS NOT GONNA BE PERMANENT AND YOU'RE ALSO GONNA LEAVE THE APRON TO THE, UH, TO THE STREET, RIGHT? WE ARE GONNA LEAVE THE APRON TO THE STREET.
AND THE, ARE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MODIFICATION TO THE, THE FRONT WALL, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOCK DOWN EXISTING PYLONS OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE JUST GONNA PUT UP A WALL THERE FOR THE PURPOSE.
SO IF IT EVER HAD TO REVERT AT SOME POINT, THEN IT'S POSSIBLE.
CORRECT? YEAH, THIS WOULD BE MORE OF AN INFILL AND THEN ARTWORK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION THAT, UH, THAT YOU'VE MADE THERE AND I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS RESPECTFUL OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF, OF THE BUILDING AND IS CONCEIVABLE REVERS, CONCEIVABLY REVERSIBLE IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD A HIGHER, BETTER USE BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CALLED FOR, FOR THIS PROPERTY, UH, PARTICULARLY THAT GROUND FLOOR LEVEL? UH, ONE CONCERN I HAVE THAT, UH, ISN'T OUR PURVIEW, BUT ONE TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR ARCHITECT IS THE, UM, THAT PERIMETER CORRIDOR THAT RUNS AROUND THE NEW DATA HALL, UM MM-HMM.
I DO THINK THAT WE DO HAVE TO ADD A DOOR INTO THAT STAIR CORRIDOR AS AN EXIT AND EGRESS, SO YEAH, IT DOES.
AND MAYBE AS SIMPLE AS SHIFTING SOME OF THAT EQUIPMENT OVER AND CREATING ANOTHER DOORWAY.
YEAH, WE, WE TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR MOTION? I, UH, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO CONFIRM THAT THE DRAWING THE FLOOR PLAN ON SHEET NUMBER 23 IN THE P D F FILE, THAT IS A PREVIOUS PLAN, CORRECT? WHERE WE HAVE THE, UH, EXTERIOR WALL OFFSET BY THREE FEET.
THAT'S NOT CURRENT, CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S A FOUR FOOT CORRIDOR.
WE WANTED ACCESS THROUGH THERE SO THAT WE COULD GET THE, THE ARTWORK UP.
UM, BUT GOING BACK TO THE, UM, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT HOMELESS AND MM-HMM.
UM, I FEEL LIKE IF, ALTHOUGH THAT ARTWORK CAN BE REMOVED AND THAT PLANE CAN BE REMOVED, IT'S REVERSIBLE, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL ONLY BE, I PERCEIVED IF ONE IS IMMEDIATELY RIGHT THERE, I'M, I'M AFRAID THAT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, THAT THE UM,
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THAT THAT RECESS THAT O PREVIOUSLY OPEN BAY WILL NOT REALLY BE THAT LEGIBLE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT.SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN AND I, I FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S A HOMELESS SITUATION, THERE'S SOME OTHER METHODS THAT THAT WHOLE AREA COULD BE SECURED.
BUT, UM, ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM WHAT THE FINAL, THE FINAL INTENTION IS.
SO THE INTENTION IS THE FOREFOOT, UM, CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE SO THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW THE ARTWORK TO BE CHANGED.
UM, AND THEN NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THOSE OTHER, THE BREEZEWAY DOORS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONES WITH LIKE THE CAR PAINTINGS IN THEM? IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? THAT WOULD NOT BE, YES.
SO, UM, AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT THOSE WOULD BE EASILY SEEN? I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YEAH, I THINK THE PERCEPTION OF THOSE PREVIOUSLY OPEN BAYS WOULD NOT READ AS OPEN IT.
WE HAVE, UH, EXISTING OPENINGS WITH STOREFRONT WINDOWS, WE HAVE STOREFRONT WINDOWS IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT THAT ARE ALIGNED ON THE SAME PLANE, UM MM-HMM.
SO, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE CLEAR AND THERE'S ARTWORK BEYOND, UH, I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT READS AS A HISTORIC OPENING.
WELL THE, WHERE THE ARTWORK IS ARE YOU'RE TALKING WHERE THE ARTWORK IS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, WELL, YEAH, IT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S, IT MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE SIDE, IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S CLOSED.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL THAT THAT WALL CONTINUES DOWN.
WE WERE HOPING THAT BY PUTTING THE DARKER COLORS IN THERE, IT WOULD READ, UH, TO THE EYE AS MORE OF A, UM, YOU KNOW, A NEGATIVE SPACE.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE INTENTION WITH THE DARKER COLORS.
AND IT, AND IT'S, THOSE ARE OPENINGS THAT DON'T HAVE THE SPANDREL MATERIAL ABOVE CORRECT? THEY DON'T BECAUSE IT WAS A BREEZEWAY.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT IT AT THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO CHANGING THE, UM, HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, TRYING TO BRING IT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE CLIENT CAN USE AND THEN ALSO SOMETHING THAT STILL KEEPS THE BUILDING, UM, INTACT FOR WHAT IT WAS AND ABLE TO, I GUESS, REVERSE IF THEY, IF YOU DID WANNA RE REDO THIS BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY REMOVED.
I UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER NOW.
UH, FLOOR PLAN ON SHEET 23 SHOWS A SLIGHT RECESS IN THE WALLS AT THE BREEZEWAY AND THE EXIT DOORS GOING INTO THE EXISTING STAIRWELL SO THAT YOU JUST HAVE ONE EXTERIOR EXIT DOOR.
IS THIS PLAN STILL VIABLE? THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT ONE'S, THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT FLOOR PLAN AND I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE, I THINK THE, IS THERE ANOTHER FLOOR PLAN IN THERE? WELL, THERE'S ONE ON, OR IS THAT THE ONLY ONE? THERE'S ONE ON 43 WHERE THE INTERIOR CORRIDOR GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE.
UH, BUT THEN THAT NECESSITATES A SECOND EXIT DOOR ON THE SIDEWALK FROM THAT? WELL, WE WERE GOING TO EMPTY INTO THAT STAIR CORRIDOR.
UM, THAT'S, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT HOW WE WANNA DO THAT DOOR BECAUSE OF THAT ONE CRACK UNIT THERE.
BUT YES, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A DOOR THERE.
BUT OUR INTENTION WAS TO PUT IT INTO THAT, UM, MORE INTO THAT STAIR CORRIDOR AND NOT CREATE ANOTHER OPENING ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
SO IT WOULD LOOK MORE LIKE THE DRAWING ON 23
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP IN KEEPING THE, THE INFILL AT THE BREEZEWAY LOOK MORE LIKE ORIGINAL YEAH.
RATHER THAN ADDING ANOTHER YEAH.
WE DO NOT WANNA PUT A DOOR THERE FOR SURE.
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AND I DO HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS.LOOKING AT SHEET NUMBER 46, UH, THE RENDERING THAT I WAS, I JUST, SORRY, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ONE THING.
THE, UM, THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE FILE, THOSE ARE THE MOST RECENT.
THIS IS SHEET NUMBER 23 IS, UM, WHAT WAS SUBMITTED MOST PREVIOUSLY.
UM, I CAN CONFIRM, PAULA, IF THIS ISN'T THE CORRECT DOCUMENT, UM, WE MAY NEED TO RESEND.
UM, BUT MOVING LEMME JUST, YEAH, MOVING.
I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THAT ON MY PHONE SO I APOLOGIZE IF I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT REALLY CLEARLY.
SO THE, THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE, UM, LATER IN THE CASE FILE ARE WHAT WERE SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY.
SO 23 THEN IS THE I'M PART YES.
THAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? THE ONES WITH THE LOWER OR THE YEAH, THE 20 THREES WOULD BE THE MOST RECENT.
AND THIS SHOULD BE ANNOTATED ON THE, UM, THE PAGE.
SO TO CONFIRM THEN THE, THE OPENING IS SET BACK ABOUT THREE FEET FROM THE BRICK FACE, HAS THE MURAL, HAS THE ARTWORK, WHATEVER, AND IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT IS THE STOREFRONT WITH THE HALLWAY AND OTHER ARTWORK BEYOND THE GLASS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK I'M MUCH MORE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, ON THE PLAN ON PAGE 23 THAN, THAN THE UH, THE LATER ONE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT MY COMMENTS ABOUT REVERSIBILITY AND STILL BEING RESPECTFUL, WE'RE REFERRING TO THAT PLAN, NOT THE ONE ON, ON 48 OR WHAT, WHATEVER PAGE THAT WAS.
SO I THINK WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM, UH, ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ABOUT, UH, THE SCREENING OF THE EQUIPMENT AND ITEM TWO AS PRESENTED WITH THE LATEST MATERIAL, UH, SUBMIT TO DATE.
WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO DEAL WITH THE ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
UM, YES AND, AND UH, ITEMS THREE OH SUPPORT STAFF ON FOUR.
AND SUPPORT STAFF ON FOUR FOR THE BLACKOUT, UH, TENT.
AND UM, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? UM, COULD I ACTUALLY CLARIFY FOR, UM, SUPPORTIVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE BLACKOUT FILM.
DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE ARTWORK THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE MOST RECENT PLANS? AS I UNDERSTAND THE ARTWORK'S ON A, ON A INTERNAL WALL THAT YOU SEE THROUGH THE, THE GLAZING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SORRY, I ACTUALLY MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE ADJOURN.
UM, I DO NEED TO POINT OUT THAT WE MISSED A VOICEMAIL FOR THE LAST ITEM 5 0 7 NOLAN.
AND SO I WAS GONNA OFFER IF YOU WANTED US TO PLAY THAT FOR THE RECORD JUST SO THAT WE DID HAVE IT.
HANNAH, ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT OVER? YES, PLEASE.
AND JUST A REMINDER, UM, HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIGNA WITTY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 4 7 LOCATED AT 5 0 7 NOLAN STREET.
WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O H P STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1877 AND IF WINDOWS ARE TO BE REPLACED, THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH WOOD, WINDOWS OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS.
THE PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR ALUMINUM WINDOWS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THE CURRENT EXISTING METAL WINDOWS IN THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED TO BE
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REPLACED WITH VINYL WINDOWS NOW.AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, DEALT WITH THE FINAL TWO CASES, 23 AND 24.
SO WITH THAT I WILL ADJOURN YOU.