* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. THE TIME IS 1 0 6, UH, FRIDAY, UH, MAY, APRIL, EXCUSE ME, MAY, APRIL 29TH. AND WE ARE GOING TO CONVENE THE, UM, SS A P M C COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH IS THE REVISION OR REVIEW, OR A CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE FOUR, UM, MINIMUM AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DANNY LEGAS. I'M THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR. UM, AND I'M GONNA BE, UH, STARTING OFF THE, THE PRESENTATION HERE. YEAH, NO, JUST DO THIS SPANISH FIRST. IF WE CAN START WITH THE, UH, SPANISH INTERPRETER, UH, STATEMENT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, INTERPRET. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GONNA CALL ROLL CALL MS. BROWN FERNANDEZ. HERE. DAVID GARZA. HERE. CHERICE GUPTE. YES. KAYLA MIRANDA. HERE. JOANNENE NELSON. PRESENT. JOEL SOLES. HERE. ROBERT TAPIA. PRESENT. ANN WEINER. PRESENT. JESSE ZUNIGA. ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. FROM CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. SAM ADAMS, PRESENT. FELIX RAMIREZ, PRESENT AND FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AMIN TAMMA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR DANNY LEGGE, CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR, JENNY RAMIREZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER. MYSELF, JUDY KRUM, B S B LIAISON, AND ESTHER ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JUDY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET STARTED HERE. SO, UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER A FEW THINGS. JUST, UH, JUST KIND OF INTRODUCE THE, UM, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, AND THEN KIND OF DIVE INTO THE DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS. WE HAVE FOUR AGENDA ITEMS TODAY. UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. UH, BEFORE WE START THOUGH, UH, THE QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE HERE? UM, SO IT'S TO REVIEW THE, UH, 2021 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, IN COMPARISON TO THE 2018 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, AND MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN 2010, UH, RATHER, 2011 WAS THE FIRST MAJOR CHANGE, UH, TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. PRIOR TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WE HAD WHAT WAS CALLED THE NA, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING ENFORCEMENT CODE, WHICH IS N H E C. UM, AND SO THEN WE INTRODUCED THE SAN OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IN 2011. UH, THIS CODE REVIEW PROCESS HAPPENS EVERY THREE YEARS. UM, WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED THIS PROCESS LAST YEAR, BUT WITH THE COVID AND THE PANDEMIC, UH, WE TABLED IT FOR A YEAR LATER. UH, THESE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS, WE LIKE TO HAVE 'EM IN PERSON, UM, RATHER THAN VIRTUAL, UH, AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, SO WE CAN ENGAGE AND INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC AND THE BOARD MEMBERS, OR RATHER, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, AND THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, IN PERSON. SO THE PROCESS HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY RIGHT NOW WITH THE OTHER INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL CODE. SO, WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING, UM, THE OTHER CODES AT THIS TIME AS WELL, ALONG WITH THE U U D C, WHICH UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND WE ANTICIPATE FIVE OR MORE MEETINGS TO TAKE PLACE, UH, TO REVIEW THIS, UH, THIS CURRENT CODE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEING SUBMITTED, WE MAY ADJUST AS NEEDED. OKAY. SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IS, IS COMPRISED OF SEVERAL, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MEMBERS. UH, I KIND OF WANNA DO A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MEMBERS, UH, COMPOSITION IS MADE OF, AND EXACTLY WHAT THEIR CHARGE IS. SO, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 6 1 55 1A, UM, THE B S B, WHICH THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IS COMPRISED OF 14 MEMBERS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR, OKAY? UH, THERE'S TWO ARCHITECTS, TWO ENGINEERS, TWO GENERAL CONTRACTORS, TWO SOCIAL WORKERS, TWO HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS, TWO RETIRED PERSONS OVER THE AGE OF 64 AND TWO VETERANS THAT SERVE ON THE BOARD. UH, IN ADDITION TO, YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE A PROPERTY MANAGER FOR ONE CONTRACTOR OR ONE SOCIAL WORKER. OKAY? SO THE CHARGE FOR THE BUILDING SANDERS BOARD IS TO REVIEW, UH, CASES AND APPEALS OF THE SANAIR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. [00:05:01] ALONG WITH ANY SUMMARY ABATEMENT, APPEALS, UH, THOSE ARE WHEN WE EVER, WE HAD ABATING A VACANT LOT OR VACANT STRUCTURE WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE OWNER. THE OWNER'S AFFORDED OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL, UH, BEFORE THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. IN ADDITION TO IT, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD HEARS AND DECIDES CASES RELATED TO DATA STRUCTURES, UM, AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER TO, UH, ALLOW THE HOMEOWNER TO REPAIR OR TO DEMOLISH THE, THE STRUCTURE AT HAND. IN ADDITION, UM, TO THAT CHARGE, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IS ALSO CHARGED AND IS REQUIRED TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE SAN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UM, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, TO THE, UH, CODE OFFICIAL. AND THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. SO, THE, LET'S, LET'S KIND OF DIVE INTO THE PROCESS. SO, THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS COMPRISED, AS I MENTIONED, UH, EARLIER, OF BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MEMBERS. HOWEVER, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF TRANSPARENCY AND OPEN GOVERNMENT, UH, WE ARE ASKING, WELL, WE WILL BE ASKING THE BOARD, UH, TO CONSIDER ADDING FOUR NON APPOINTED BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MEMBERS TO THE SANITARY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE COMMITTEE. UM, THESE NON APPOINTED B S B MEMBERS, UH, WILL NOT COUNT TOWARDS THE QUORUM, UH, AND DO NOT HAVE A VOTE. UM, AND SO THERE WILL BE A LINK ON OUR WEBPAGE IF ANYONE'S INTERESTED ON, IN SIGNING UP TO JOINING THE S A P M C COMMITTEE. UH, THEY CAN GO ONLINE, FILL OUT THE FORM, HIT SUBMIT TO ENSURE THAT THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BY MAY 8TH, 2022. AND THAT'S GONNA BE OUR DEADLINE AND WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION, UM, FURTHER DOWN THE PRESENTATION. SO, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, THIS IS KIND OF A BREAKDOWN OF THE MEMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REVIEW PROCESS, UM, IN ADDITION TO THEIR INDUSTRY OR CATEGORY THAT THEY REPRESENT. AND SO, AS YOU SEE, WE DO HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY, UH, WHO'S A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UH, MR. ANDES, SOMEBODY WHO'S RETIRED, AN ENGINEER SITTING ON THE PANEL, OR RATHER ON THE COMMITTEE, AN ARCHITECT, UH, A VETERAN, A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL, AND THREE OTHER CATEGORIES THAT HAVE BEEN WAIVED. SO WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF, UH, I GUESS, BACKGROUNDS, INDUSTRIES, UM, CATEGORIES. UM, I PUT THIS UP PURPOSELY HERE SO YOU GUYS CAN SEE WHENEVER YOU MAKE IT A SELECTION ON THE NINE APPOINTED MEMBERS TO KIND OF FILL IN THE GAPS INTO WHERE YOU THINK WE'RE MISSING, UM, SOME MEMBERS. OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, THE REVIEW PROCESS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GONNA TAKE OVER, WELL, IT, IT, WE'RE GONNA, WE PLAN ON HAVING FIVE MEETINGS. UM, THE COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW, UH, ARTICLE FOUR, CHAPTER SIX, UH, PROVE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY WHETHER THE CITIZENS, UH, THE INDUSTRY OR CITY STAFF, UH, THOSE APPROVED CHANGES WILL THEN GO AND TURN AROUND, WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE FULL BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. AND THEN THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES ONCE APPROVED, WILL GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, UM, AND BE SET ON AN AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL. UM, AT A LATER DATE, UH, ONCE COUNCIL VOTES AND APPROVES THE UPDATED ORDINANCE, UH, THE OR NEW ORDINANCE WILL GO INTO EFFECT. AND, UH, WITH A GRACE PERIOD. RIGHT NOW, TENTATIVELY WE'RE LOOKING AT TAKING IT BEFORE COUNCIL, I BELIEVE AUGUST IN 2022, WITH THE EFFECTIVE DATE, UM, STARTING JANUARY, UH, 2023. THIS IS THE, UM, THE FIVE MEETINGS I DISCUSSED. IT'S GOT THE DATE AND TIMES ALL THE MEETINGS WILL BE HERE AT THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, OR RATHER, EXCUSE ME, UH, THE BOARDROOM AT 1901 SOUTH ALAMO FIRST FLOOR. UH, THEY'RE ALL FROM 11, UH, EXCUSE ME, FROM ONE TO FOUR, UH, WHICH ARE ALL FRIDAYS. AND SO THE FIRST THREE MEETINGS WILL BE, UM, EVERY OTHER WEEK. SO WE WON'T MEET NEXT WEEK, BUT THE FOLLOWING WEEK, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK AFTER THAT. HOWEVER, BEGINNING IN JUNE, WE'LL MEET BACK TO BACK JUNE 3RD AND JUNE THE 10TH. AGAIN, THIS IS ONLINE. UM, AND THE INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE IN ON OUR WEBSITE. HERE'S SOME MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE WEBSITE. SO, AGAIN, UH, ANY OF THESE LINKS WILL TAKE YOU TO WHETHER IT'S, IT'S OUR SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE HOMEPAGE, WHERE WE ALL HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE UPDATES, UH, WHERE YOU CAN TRACK PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU CAN ADD YOUR COMMENTS, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE CALENDAR, UH, JUST A BUNCH OF USEFUL RESOURCE INFORMATION REGARDING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW. ALL THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, UH, AND STREAMED LIVE. UH, THAT'S A LINK TO THE MEETING RECORDINGS. AND THEN DOWN BELOW, IF YOU WANNA EMAIL SPECIFICALLY, UH, YOUR COMMENTS TO DSD STAFF, THERE IS AN EMAIL LINK BELOW AT SAN SA CODE@SANTO.GOV THAT WILL BE SENT DIRECTLY TO DSD STAFF. BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE AGENDA ITEMS, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. [00:10:02] YES. LET ME, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. SITTING, UH, SITTING HERE AT THE, IN A BOARD, AS NEARLY ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE B S B, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BRING OUT EXAMPLES OR CASES THAT YOU HAD BEFORE, AND THE LIKES IN THIS BOARD, I, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR LEGAL. UM, IF SAM OR FELIX WANNA JUMP IN ON THAT, COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, HEY, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS DON'T, DON'T DO THE HIGHLIGHTS AS IF WE WERE IN THE BOARD IN THE BOARDROOM. THERE WAS B S B SAID, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SAMPLE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, OF SUCH AND SUCH A THING, RIGHT? WITH THE, WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. AND, UH, TELL ME IF I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, UH, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST LIKE A OPEN MEETING WITH THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, MEANING THAT, UH, ANY DISCUSSIONS OF THE S A P M C WILL BE OPEN AND VIEWABLE AND LISTENABLE TO THE PUBLIC. UH, ANY DEBATE ROBUST IS GOING TO BE DONE IN AN OPEN SETTING. THE ONLY TIME THAT WE WOULD BE IN THE BACK, UM, FOR LEGAL CONSULTATION IS IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC BRIEFING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, UM, FOR THE BOARD. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YEAH. THANK, LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN AS WELL. THIS IS EMIN THOMAS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M ADDING TO WHAT SAM SAID. UM, IF WE ARE DISCUSSING A CODE SECTION AND THE BOARD REQUIRES US TO BRING, BRING EXAMPLES, WE CAN BRING SOME PICTURES, WE CAN SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES. WE WILL NOT MENTION THE NAME OR THE LOCATION, BUT WE CAN USE THOSE AS AN EXAMPLES TO HELP US IDENTIFY THE CODE ISSUE AND COME UP WITH APPROPRIATE AMENDMENTS. YEAH. JUST SO WE'RE REAL CLEAR, JESSE, THERE WILL BE NO SPECIFIC CASES THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING. WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BE DISCUSSING ISSUES OF THE INTERNATIONAL MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, IN COMPARISON TO THE CURRENT SAN ANTONIO CODE. AND THEN COMPARING THAT WITH, SHOULD WE MAKE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE NEW, UH, SAN ANTONIO MAINTENANCE CODE? SO CASES PER SE WILL REALLY NOT BE INTRODUCED UNLESS WE JUST NEED TO SEE SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITH THE CURRENT CODE AND WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH A CHANGE TO THE NEW MODIFIED CODE, SHOULD THE BOARD, UH, REQUIRE THAT CHANGE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE OR THE PUBLIC. OKAY. NONE. UM, MOVING RIGHT ALONG, THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE IS, UM, A VOTE TO APPOINT A CHAIR AND A CO-CHAIR OF THE SS A P M C COMMITTEE. MAKE A MOTION, NELSON FOR CHAIR. I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION SINCE I BROUGHT IT UP AT OUR REGULAR BOARD MEETING, THAT, UH, WE SELECT COLONEL NELSON AS A CHAIR BECAUSE OF HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE NORTHSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREA THAT HE REPRESENTS. AND AT THE SAME, SAME, UH, TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOMMEND THAT WE ALSO HAVE A PERSON HERE THAT IS IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENT THAT WORKS IN THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT REPRESENTS THAT ENVIRONMENT, PLAN AND ORGANIZE. AND DIRECTOR, UH, MS. KAYLA, RHONDA, I ASKED OF VICE SHERIFF. I SECOND THE MOTION. SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE DOING CHAIR FIRST, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THE NOMINATION WAS MR. NELSON, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. I SECOND THE MOTION. WELL, THAT'S, YEAH. WHICH ONE? HOLD ON. LET'S GO BACK TO I MOTION [00:15:01] TO TO VOTE. UH, MR. NELSON IN, AND THEN JESSE JUMPS IN. WHICH ONE ARE YOU SECONDING? I'M SECONDING YOURS. OKAY. ON YOUR MIC, THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. I'D LIKE TO SECOND YOUR MOTION. I, UH, OKAY. MINE . MINE WAS NOT A MOTION ON THE VICE CHAIR. LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR. IT WAS A SUGGESTION. LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR, SINCE WE WERE TRYING TO DO THIS IN, IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR, UH, CHAIR, UH, MR. HOMER NELSON. UM, AND THERE'S A SECOND FROM, UH, MR. DAVID GARZA. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. CAN WE GET A FO UM, A ROLL CALL JUST BEFORE, UH, ANY OTHER NOMINEES? AND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GO THROUGH OUR ROLL CALL? YES, SIR. OF COURSE. UM, SO AGAIN, THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO. CAN YOU GET A ROLL CALL? THANK YOU. MR. ES . HERE. MR. ANDES? AYE. MR. GARZA? AYE. MR. GUPTE? YES. MS. MIRANDA? YES. MR. NELSON? AYE. MR. SOLIS? AYE. MR. TAPIA? AYE. MS. WEINER? AYE. MR. ZUNIGA AYE. MOTION PASSES WITH THE VOTE OF MINE. TWO ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. I ACCEPT THE, THE NOMINATION AND THE VOTE. AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, DENNY, IF YOU ALLOW ME, I'LL JUST TAKE CHARGE. ? YES. THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, IS TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR. UH, AND MR. ZUNI HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE PICK, UH, VICE CHAIR THAT WOULD BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SOUTHERN DISTRICTS OR THE MORE CITY, UH, CENTER DISTRICTS. UH, AND I THINK YOU RECOMMENDED MCKAYLA AS THAT PERSON AS A RECOMMENDATION. DO YOU WISH TO PUT THAT IN A MOTION? YES. YES. UH, CHAIRMAN MRCA THEN MOVES THAT MCKAYLA BE THE VICE CHAIR. UH, DO WE HAVE A ADDITIONAL NOMINATION OR DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT NOMINATION? I'LL SECOND THAT NOMINATION AND WINNER SECOND. SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION AND A SECOND. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? YES. I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ALSO THROW FRED, UH, ANDES IN FOR THE, UH, VICE CHAIR. SO THERE'S A NOMINATION FOR FRED ANDES TO BE THE VICE CHAIR THAT GIVES US A SECOND CANDIDATE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION FOR, UH, FRED ANDES AS THE CHAIR? VICE CHAIR? OKAY. WITH THAT WE WILL TABLE THAT MOTION. DO WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MOTION? WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL MOTION? THEN WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL FOR MCKAYLA AS THE VICE CHAIR. FERNANDEZ AYE. MR. GARZA? AYE. MR. GUPTE? AYE. MR. MIRANDA? AYE. MR. NELSON? AYE. MR. SOLIS? AYE. MR. AN TAPIA? AYE. MS. WEINER? AYE. MR. ZUNIGA AYE. MOTION PASSES WITH THE VOTE. NINE TO ZERO. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS, BOTH OF YOU. UH, SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE AT THE PRESENT TIME, ANYONE OTHER THAN BOARD MEMBERS TO CONSIDER, UH, I GUESS WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. PARDON ME? YOU WANNA SKIP ITEM TWO? UH OH, I'M SORRY. YOU WANNA GO TO ITEM TWO? YEAH, CORRECT. I GOT YOU. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO MOVING ALONG TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. UM, A VOTE TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD MEMBERS TO THE SS A P M C COMMITTEE. AND I'LL PUT, UH, THAT IN FORM OF MOTION OR RECOMMEND TO RE REPHRASE THAT. SINCE THE CHAIR IS NOT MAKING MOTIONS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SAID IT MIGHT NOT BE GOOD, WILL WILL CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS TO BE ON THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE. SO MOVED. MOTION IS MADE TO ACCEPT ADDITIONAL INDIVIDUALS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? AYE. SECOND. WE HAVE TWO SECONDS, THEREFORE, UH, WE'LL TAKE THIS ONE BY JUST, UH, VOTE OF AYE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION. AND SECOND, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAYYY WITHOUT OBJECTIONS. THE MOTION IS CARRIED. WE'LL ACCEPT ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO THE VOTE. AND JUST A, YEAH, JUST POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ITEM NUMBER TWO OR ITEM THREE. UM, ITEM TWO IS TO INCLUDE TO, OR TO ADD ADDITIONAL B S B MEMBERS, UH, TO THE S A P M C COMMITTEE. SO CURRENTLY THERE'S [00:20:01] 10 MEMBERS THAT ARE SERVING ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, THEN YOU WANT TO ACCEPT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THAT ONE. THE, OF THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, PER SE. THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CHAIR TO DECIDE INTO THE, THE COMMITTEE DO. OKAY. UH, THEN THE CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD INITIALLY ON THE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MOTION FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF BOARD MEMBERS. AND DO I HAVE SECOND? I WOULD SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD AS PART OF THE COMMITTEE. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? MS. UH, I THOUGHT THAT AT THE LAST BUILDING STANDARDS MEETING, WE, EVERYBODY SAID THEY WERE GONNA BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. SO THERE WAS NOBODY LEFT IN THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. UH, WE'RE ALL HERE. EVERYBODY WHO WAS THERE, WE DID VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE. BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS ACTUALLY FORMING OFFICIALLY THE COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE THAT WAS AN UNOFFICIAL ISSUE AT THAT TIME. YEAH, THAT WAS A STRONG ARM. AND NOW WE'RE . YES, MA'AM. IT WAS A STRONG ARM, AND ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE OF US WHO HAD SERVED ON THE, ON THE COMMITTEE THREE YEARS AGO ON IT. MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MR. ZIKA? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY PRESENT RIGHT NOW THAT WANTS TO COME ON BOARD OR HAVE ASKED, UH, THEN WE'D ACTUALLY OPEN THAT UP TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S OUT THERE. DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE? UH, HOLD ON. THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS. THERE'S A LADY BEHIND THE WAY. UH, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO VOLUNTEER, BE ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, AND CHAIR, CHAIR. UH, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE, LET'S FOCUS ON ITEM TWO, THEN WHEN WE GO TO ITEM THREE, DANNY GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THE PUBLIC INPUT ACCEPTED . UH, SINCE WE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MEMBERS OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, BEING ON THE COMMITTEE. WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A VOICE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAYYY. THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. SO THEREFORE, WE'VE DONE THREE AND TWO WITH THAT. AND, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE COMMENT ABOUT SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO BE ON THE BOARD? DEFINITELY. SO, I DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SLIDE HERE IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, FOR NON B S B MEMBERS. UM, LET WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE SS A P M C COMMITTEE AS A NON APPOINTED MEMBER, UH, PLEASE GO ONLINE AND FILL OUT THE, UM, THE SMALL APPLICATION. IT'S GONNA BE JUST GENERAL INFORMATION ASKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY YOUR NAME, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR DISTRICT, WHAT ORGANIZATION, COMMUNITY YOU REPRESENT, AND THE REASON YOU WANNA BE, UM, A MEMBER ON THE, THE COMMITTEE. IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL 150 WORD QUESTIONNAIRE, I GUESS NOT A QUESTION RATHER, BUT, UM, RESPONSE, IF YOU WILL. UH, THOSE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED ONLINE BEFORE, UH, MAY 8TH. AND, UM, ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE, D S D STAFF WILL CONTACT YOU DIRECTLY, MEANING THE, THE INTERESTED, UH, NON APPOINTED MEMBERS. AND AT OUR NEXT MEETING, UH, WHICH IS MAY 13TH, UM, THE COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW AND THEN DECIDE WHICH OF THOSE MEMBERS THEY'LL BE ADDING ON TO THE, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE. AND THEN AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY WANNA COME. AND MAYBE AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, ADD A FEW MORE COMMENTS. IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, I'M MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE 'EM COME UP AND SPEAK. OKAY. UH, WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY COMMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE. SO IF THERE'S ANY COMMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, PLEASE STAND AND COME TO THE PODIUM. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. I WILL SAY THAT, UH, WE REALLY DO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. AND I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RAISING YOUR HAND TODAY, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH. UH, WE OBVIOUSLY ESTABLISH IT BASED ON SOME PRINCIPLES FROM AN INTERNATIONAL PROCESS, AND THEN WE TAILOR IT DOWN TO SAN ANTONIO SPECIFIC. UH, SO WE DO WELCOME AS MANY PEOPLE, UH, WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS TO VOLUNTEER TO BE ON THE PANEL. THEN GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, CHAIR. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UM, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN DISCUSSION, UH, THE CHAPTER SIX. UH, BUT BEFORE WE DIVE INTO ANY TRUE REVIEW OF THE PROCESS, WHICH WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY TABLE TO OUR NEXT MEETING TILL WE CAN GET THE FULL COMMITTEE FORMED, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAPPENED, THE LAST REVIEW PROCESS. OKAY. SO, UM, STARTING OFF WITH THE FIRST, UM, REVIEW PROCESS. SO BACK IN 2018, AS YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, UH, TO AMEND AND TO REVIEW THE UPDATED S A P M C THAT WE HAVE TODAY. UH, [00:25:01] SO JUST KIND OF, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A FEW SLIDES HERE, JUST KIND OF, UM, ANYTHING THAT'S UNDERLINED, UH, WAS ADDED TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AT THE TIME. ANYTHING YOU SEE A STRIKE, UH, THROUGH WAS REMOVED FROM THE CODE AT THE TIME. SO, UH, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE, UH, LITTLE MARKERS, UH, AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDE. SO THE ENTIRE SECTION, SECTION 3 0 1, GENERAL 3 0 1 0.1 SCOPE, THIS ENTIRE SECTION WAS ADDED TO THE 2018 SAN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. UH, SPECIFICALLY OCCUPIED AND PARTIALLY OCCUPIED STRUCTURES, UM, ARE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDED TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, WHAT'S VACANT AND WHAT'S NOT. RIGHT? SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE LET'S SAY HALF OF THE UNITS ARE OCCUPIED, HALF ARE VACANT, WHAT IS THAT VACANT OR THAT AN OCCUPIED, WELL, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN GET INTO KIND OF WHAT PERCENTAGES, WHAT HAVE YOU, IT'S PARTIALLY OR NONE. RIGHT? SO WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR IN THE P M C CODE, WHETHER IT'S OCCUPIED OR PARTIALLY OCCUPIED, THEREFORE, IT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. SAME THING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, LET'S SAY A, A BUILDING SKYRISE WHERE MAYBE TWO OR THREE FLOORS ARE NOT OCCUPIED, BUT THE REST ARE, UM, IT'LL FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY OF BEING PARTIALLY OCCUPIED. OKAY. JUST KIND OF A POINT OF CLARIFICATION WHY WE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE IN THE LAST REVIEW PROCESS. A QUICK QUESTION. IN THIS CASE, YOU MEAN OCCUPIED BY AN INDIVIDUAL? IT WOULDN'T BE IF IT WAS USED AS STORAGE, THAT WOULDN'T ACCOUNT IT, IT, IT MEANS OCCUPIED BY A TENANT, RIGHT? OR, OR AN OWNER, UH, STORAGE, IF THAT'S THE USE OF THE BUILDING, THEREFORE IT'S OCCUPIED, RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON THE USE AS WELL. SO IT COULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY AS WELL. YEAH, CORRECT. THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. THIS ENTIRE SECTION YOU SEE BEFORE YOU AT 3 0 1 0.3 VACANT STRUCTURES AND LAND WAS ADDED TO THE SAN DIEGO PROPERTY CODE AS WELL. THIS TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE VACANT STRUCTURES IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, UH, THE TURS, WHICH ARE THE TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES, UH, AS WELL AS ANY VACANT, UM, HISTORIC LANDMARKS OR VACANT STRUCTURES THAT ARE WITHIN A HALF MILE OF ANY MILITARY, UM, ACTIVE MILITARY BASE OR DEFENSE SPACE. RIGHT. ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA WE IDENTIFIED IN THIS SECTION, UH, ALL THEIR VACANT STRUCTURES, CHAPTER SIX APPLIES. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, CITYWIDE, ALL VACANT LOTS, UH, ARE REFERRED TO CHAPTER 14. AND SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF A POINT OF CLARIFICATION JUST ON THIS SECTION HERE. REGARDING VACANT STRUCTURES IN THE LAND SECTION 3 0 4 EXTERIOR STRUCTURE, UH, 3 0 4 0.1, AGAIN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN REGARDING OCCUPIED, IMPARTIALLY OCCUPIED STRUCTURES, UH, WE REMOVED, AS YOU SEE, IT'S, UH, WE STRUCK OUT A STRUCTURE AND THEN WE ADDED ANOTHER SECTION 3 0 4 0.1, 8.1 OCCUPIED IMPARTIALLY OCCUPIED STRUCTURES AS WELL. AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER SECTION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE S A P M C IN 2018. UM, THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT THE PREFERRED METHOD OF SECURING AND BOARDING UP, UH, WINDOWS AND DOORS IN THESE AREAS IDENTIFIED IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT OR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, PLYWOOD IS NOT REUSED IN THESE AREAS, UH, NOR ANY OTHER TEMPORARY SECURED METHOD. THE IDEA WAS TO REPLACE THAT DOOR OR THAT WINDOW, UH, OR SOMETHING THAT'S TRANSPARENT, THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THROUGH. UM, SAME WITH THE DOORS AS WELL. UM, AND IT GOES, AGAIN, TALKS ABOUT CHAPTER SIX, HOW IT APPLIES TO ALL VACANT BUILDINGS. AND AGAIN, UM, IF THERE IS A NEED TO TEMPORARY SECURE SOMETHING, THAT TIME PERIOD IS SET AT 14 DAYS. SECTION 4 0 4 OCCUPANCY LIMITATIONS. UH, WE CHANGED IT FROM, UH, 4 0 4 0.4 FROM READING BEDROOM AND LIVING ROOM REQUIREMENTS TO HABITABLE ROOMS AND BEDROOM REQUIREMENTS. UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, HABITABLE ROOMS ARE, UH, YOUR LIVING ROOM, YOUR BEDROOMS, UH, ANY AREA WHERE YOU SLEEP OR COOK. UH, SO BATHROOMS, HALLWAY STORAGE SHEDS WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED HABITABLE ROOMS PER SE. SECTION 4 0 4 0.41 ROOM AREA WE ADDED, UM, WE WERE RATHER, WE REMOVED, UM, THE 124 SQUARE FOOT AND, AND EVERY HABITABLE BEDROOM AND ADDED HABITABLE ROOMS THAT ARE AT LEAST NO LESS THAN 70 SQUARE FOOT. SO WE CHANGED IT FROM, UH, ONE 20 TO 70 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN THE SECTION OF THE CODE. AND THEN THIS LAST SECTION HERE, UH, FOUR POINT 0.6 EFFICIENCY UNITS. UH, WE JUST ADDED THAT LINE THAT READS RIGHT ABOVE THERE. SO ORIGINALLY IT READ, UH, TWO OCCUPANTS AND THREE OCCUPANTS. WE ADDED. NOW, UH, A UNIT OCCUPIED BY NO MORE THAN ONE OCCUPANT SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM CLEAR SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 120 SQUARE FEET. [00:30:02] AND THAT CONCLUDES THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO 2018 UPDATES. UH, AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH THIS RATHER QUICKLY, UM, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. UH, WE'LL ASK THE, THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD IN 2018? NO. AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC IF YOU'VE GOT ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN 2018. IF NONE, YOU MAY CONTINUE, SIR. OKAY. SO BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE LAST ITEM FOR TODAY'S AGENDA, IT'S GONNA BE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT. UH, THIS SECTION WILL BE SAVED FOR ANY UPDATES THAT WE HAVE ALONG THE WAY. UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATES AT THIS TIME. I JUST WANNA REMIND THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE WEBSITES AND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. AGAIN, IF YOU GO TO THE CODE ADOPTION WEBSITE, WHICH IS OUR SS A P M C HOMEPAGE, UH, YOU'LL FIND THE RESOURCES REGARDING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REVIEW PROCESS. IF YOU GO TO THE MEETING'S RECORDING WEBSITE, YOU'LL SEE THESE MEETINGS AGAIN, ARE STREAMED LIVE, AND THEY'RE RECORDED, I BELIEVE THEY'RE RECORDED OR RATHER UPLOADED ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE MEETING. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS RECORDING LOAD UPLOADED THERE. AND THEN AGAIN, ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS CAN BE SENT TO THIS LINK OR THIS EMAIL ADDRESS, SA CODE@SANANTONIO.GOV. AND THAT GETS SENT DIRECTLY TO D S D STAFF. AGAIN, UM, THIS CONCLUDES AS FOR OUR REPORT. UM, AND OUR NEXT MEETING AGAIN IS MAY OR RATHER, WHAT DID I SAY, APRIL, MAY 13TH. UM, SAME PLACE, SAME TIME. UH, WE WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS, IF ANY ARE SUBMITTED AND CONTINUE ON. WE'LL START RATHER THE REVIEW PROCESS. EXCUSE ME. JUST WANNA CLARIFY OR MAKE SURE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED INDICATED THAT WE WOULD HAVE A 12 O'CLOCK START TIME. ALL MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE ONE O'CLOCK START TIME. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL MEETINGS WILL START AT ONE AND AT FOUR O'CLOCK. VERY GOOD. DANNY, BEFORE WE, I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE, UH, ADJOURN, UH, I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF EMAILS POP UP, I ASSUME FROM SOME OF THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY OR, OR THE CITIZENS, UH, REVIEWING THE ONLINE, UM, ITEM RIGHT NOW THAT'S LIVE. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD, UH, GO THROUGH THE WEBSITE JUST TO SHOW WHERE THAT FORM IS FOR THOSE, UH, NON-MEMBERS WHO'D LIKE TO APPLY? UM, IT, IT MAY BE, UH, UM, A LITTLE HIDDEN. SO IF WE COULD POINT THAT OUT, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL BEFORE WE LEAVE. OKAY, JUDY? SURE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE SS A P M C, UH, WEBPAGE THAT WE HAVE SET UP. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE THREE TABS ON THE VERY BOTTOM AND RIGHT ABOVE IT, THERE'S THREE LITTLE LINKS ALSO, UM, WITH A COMMITTEE MEMBER INFORMATION, THE 2018 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. AND THEN, UM, CODE, OR RATHER A LINK TO CITY MUNICIPAL CODE AS WELL. DOWN BELOW THERE, YOU HAVE THREE LINKS ALSO. UM, YOU CLICK ON THOSE LINKS, THEY'LL KIND OF HIGHLIGHT OR RATHER SHOW YOU THE UPDATES TO THE PROCESS, UH, CALENDAR. AND THEN WE CAN TRACK ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, TRACKING SECTION, UM, RIGHT THERE IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA TRACK ALL THE SS A P M C CHANGES. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING JUST YET, BUT ONCE YOU CLICK ON THAT LINK, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A WEBSITE OR RATHER, UH, A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING TRACKED SO THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO THEM AS WELL AND VIEW WHAT'S BEING CHANGED OR AMENDED OR RECOMMENDED. RECOMMENDED TO BE AMENDED. AND THEN RIGHT BELOW IS PUBLIC COMMENTS WHERE YOU CAN GO IN, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERAL INFORMATION, YOUR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, EMAIL, UH, CODE SECTION, AND THEN KIND OF PUT YOUR COMMENT WHETHER YOU'RE A SUPPORTER OR YOU'RE OPPOSED TO ANY CHANGES THAT ARE BEING, UH, CONSIDERED. CAN YOU GO BACK NOW, IF YOU GO TO THE SIGN CODE, UM, LITTLE LINK THERE. I'M SORRY. IF YOU GO, SO IF YOU CAN SEE RIGHT TOWARDS THE MIDDLE, UM, THERE'S SOME VERBIAGE THERE. IT TALKS ABOUT A LINK. WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT SIMILAR LINK ADDED TO OUR SS A P M C WEBPAGE AS WELL, WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A LIVE FORM YOU CAN UPDATE. UM, I JUST NOTICED IT'S NOT UP THERE JUST YET, BUT WE'LL GET IT BY THE END OF THE DAY. HE LOADED. OKAY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU CLICK ON IT, JUDY, THIS IS FORMS, THEY WERE RIGHT HERE. SO THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. THIS IS GONNA BE, THE LANGUAGE IS GONNA BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. IT'S JUST GONNA READ SAN ANTONIO YOUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. IT'S GONNA ASK YOU TO FILL IN YOUR NAME, YOUR FIRST NAME, YOUR LAST NAME, THE COUNCIL DISTRICT YOU REPRESENT, OR YOU LIVE IN, AND THEN THE ORGANIZATION YOU'RE REPRESENTING. AN EMAIL ADDRESS, A PHONE NUMBER. AND THEN [00:35:01] VERY BRIEFLY, IN 150 WORDS OR LESS, JUST DESCRIBE, UH, THE REASON YOU WANNA BE PART OF OR ADDED TO THE COMMITTEE. AND THEN YOU HIT SUBMIT AND IT GOES DIRECTLY TO, UM, D S D STAFF. I GOT A QUESTION, DANNY, ON THAT PART WHERE IT SAYS, CAN, WHERE IT AN ORGANIZATION TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION. IS THAT CORRECT? OH, THAT'S VERY CORRECT. ABSOLUTELY. IT AN ORGANIZATION IF, IF THEY BELONG TO, LET'S SAY, A NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION. HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, YEAH, THAT'S IF THEY PROVIDE, IF NOT, JUST LEAVE IT A BLANK. NA YEAH, BECAUSE PEOPLE MAY, THAT MAY THROW 'EM OFF THAT REGULAR CITIZENS WHO MIGHT BE PART OF ONE OF THE GOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FEEL LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, FOR THE S A P M C, WE'LL GO BACK AND REVISE IT AND CLARIFY THE VERBIAGE AND REMOVE, UM, BUSINESS ORGANIZATION. NOW, THIS ONE IS FOR THE SIGN CODE REVIEW, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THE P M C READS, UM, DIFFERENTLY. DANNY, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE, DANNY, LET, LET ME JUMP IN. SO QUESTION FOUR, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE SECOND SENTENCE SAYS, PUT RESIDENT, IF YOU ARE NOT REPRESENTING AN ORGANIZATION OR A BUSINESS, WE MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR SO THEY CAN, UH, PUT JUST THEIR RESIDENT. YOU SEE THE SECOND SENTENCE. GOT IT. BUT SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THAT, THEY MAY OVERLOOK THAT, BUT SO WE'RE VERBALLY SAYING ON THING THAT IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE IN BUSINESSES OR STUFF LIKE THAT. CORRECT. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE, THE COMMENT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO INDEED WANT THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT. THIS IS NOT A BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD ISSUE. IT'S NOT A, A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF ISSUE. THIS IS A PUBLIC ISSUE AND WE INVITE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE REAR. YES. IF, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME TO, TO THE STAND AND STATE YOUR NAME, SIR, AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR, THERE'S A BUTTON RIGHT THERE. THERE YOU GO. AND YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR MIC TO FIT YOUR, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BEND OVER. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO. RAY MORALES, UH, 2 0 3 MEDFORD DRIVE. MY CONCERN IS, UH, UH, I WAS GOING TO APPLY TO BE PART OF THIS COMMITTEE AS A NON-VOTING MEMBER, BUT IF THE APPLICATION'S NOT ONLINE YET, AND THE DEADLINE IS MAY 8TH, HOW, HOW DO YOU EXPECT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS? UH, YOU DO HAVE OBVIOUSLY UNTIL MAY THE EIGHTH TO APPLY. RIGHT? THIS IS APRIL THE 28TH. THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY NINE DAYS TO, TO APPLY. RIGHT. SO I, I'M SUPPOSING THE APPLICATION THAT THE FORM IS GOING TO BE COMPLETE, WHEN WILL THE APPLICATION ACTUALLY BE AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR THE, FOR THIS PIECE, DENNY, I LOOKED ONLINE AND, AND IT WASN'T QUITE CLEAR WHAT THE PROCESS WAS. SO I'M SURE IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO APPLY, UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM. LEMME GET AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. TO, ON WHAT, WHEN WILL IT BE AVAILABLE ONLINE? IT, IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE ONLINE BY THE END OF THE DAY TODAY. BY THE END OF THE DAY? YES, SIR. SIR, THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE. CORRECT. AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT AND DO HOPE THAT YOU'LL ACTUALLY FILL OUT THAT APPLICATION, SIR. CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND, AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE'LL EXTEND THE DEADLINE, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCORDINGLY. OKAY. IN CASE EVERYONE DID HEAR THAT. IF, IF IT'S NOT AVAILABLE BY THE END OF THE DAY, WE'LL EXTEND THE DEADLINE ACCORDINGLY. AND LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN AS WELL. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE IT'S UP ONLINE TODAY, BUT WE GONNA PRINT THIS FORM RIGHT NOW. SO IF ANYBODY'S IN THE PUBLIC, THEY CAN HAVE HARD COPY AND THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT AS WELL, SO THEY CAN FILL THE FORM OUT TODAY BEFORE THEY LEAVE HERE. YES, SIR. CAN WE HAVE THAT? WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT, SIR. YES, I DO. MIKAYLA, CAN WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE WHO IS, DOES NOT HAVE INTERNET ACCESS? THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT STILL LIVE IN THAT DIGITAL DIVIDE AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS, SO THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THE INTERNET. SO IS THERE SOME SORT OF WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP IN ANOTHER MANNER OTHER THAN AN ONLINE FORM? SO CAN SOMEONE REQUEST A HARD COPY OF MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM, IS THE QUESTION? YES. ABSOLUTELY. WE, WE CAN HAVE HARD COPIES AVAILABLE AND THAT PROCESS WILL BE ONLINE ALSO, HOW TO REQUEST IT. IT WON'T DO ANY GOOD FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER, THAT THAT MEANS THAT, UH, THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT ISSUE. RIGHT, RIGHT. WELL, IF YOU GO TO ANY LIBRARY, YOU'D BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET ONLINE. MM-HMM. SO WE COULD DO THAT. [00:40:01] I HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION FROM THE BACK. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME ISEL REJO. UM, 5 6 0 6 CASTLE KNIGHT DRIVE. UM, MY COMMENT WAS JUST, UM, IN ORDER TO REACH THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE INTERNET ACCESS, PERHAPS THERE CAN BE A PHONE NUMBER PROVIDED THAT WAY THEY CAN GIVE, UM, SOMEONE A CALL TO REQUEST THAT PHYSICAL COPY. UH, THAT'D HAVE TO BE A RUGGED RECOMMENDATION, BUT AGAIN, WE PUT IT ONLINE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THERE, SO IT BECOMES A MUTE ISSUE. THE LIBRARY APPROACH IS PROBABLY THE BEST APPROACH, UH, WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO TO A LIBRARY TO GET IT ONLINE. UH, SO THE ONLINE ISSUE IS STILL THERE. MAKAYLA, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT? WELL, I, I DO RECOMMEND PUTTING UP A PHONE NUMBER IN CASE ANYONE'S WATCHING T B S A OR, UH, SEEING THE VIDEOS, PUT THE PHONE NUMBER UP ON THE SCREEN HERE. UM, BUT YES, THE LIBRARY ISSUE WOULD BE GOOD AND MAYBE SENDING OUT A NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SO THEY CAN GET IT OUT TO THEIR PEOPLE. OKAY. AND SINCE WE'RE BEING, UH, BROADCAST TO THE PRESENT TIME, IF YOU WOULD, THANK YOU, MA'AM. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, MA'AM? OH, I WAS ALSO GONNA SAY COMMUNITY CENTERS WOULD BE A GOOD, UM, POINT OF CONTACT AND THAT WAY POINT. YES. UH, THANK YOU MA'AM. UH, DENNY, IF YOU WOULD, DO YOU HAVE THAT TELEPHONE NUMBER AVAILABLE ON WHO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CALL? AND THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY, AT LEAST THROUGH THIS MEANS RIGHT NOW, I, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER. WE CAN CALL THAT JUST A GENERAL, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT NUMBER, UH, WHICH IS 2 1 0 2 0 7 5 4 6 6. THAT'S OUR, UM, OUR NUMBER HERE AT THE D S D CENTER. THAT TAKES, UH, GENERAL CODE ENFORCEMENT CONCERNS. UM, THEY CAN CALL THAT NUMBER AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THAT INFORMATION TO THEM. UM, WE'LL COMMUNICATE THAT TO, UM, OUR STAFF MEMBER HERE WHILE WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION, LET 'EM KNOW THAT SHE MAY GET SOME CALLS IN REGARDS TO THE APPLICATION. AND WE'LL HAVE A FEW HARD COPIES HERE IN THE D S D LOBBY AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN, UH, FILLING IT OUT TODAY, WOULD 3 1 1 BE AN AVAILABLE NUMBER ALSO TO USE? UH, I WOULDN'T WANNA DATE 3 1 1 JUST YET WITH CALLS. I, WE HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED THAT TO THEM JUST YET, SO IT MAY GET KIND OF, I DON'T WANNA SHUFFLE ANYBODY AROUND, BUT THAT MAY BE AN AVENUE WE CAN LOOK AT. UM, OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO TABLE THAT RECOMMENDATION THEN. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DON'T MR. ANDES, ARE THEY GONNA BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PEOPLE HERE TODAY BEFORE THEY LEAVE, OR ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE AVAILABLE? NO, SIR. WE'RE MAKING HARD COPIES NOW AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM HERE AND HOPEFULLY IN FIVE OR 10 MINUTES. SO BEFORE THE MEETING'S OVER? YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER. OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER. CORRECT. IT'S FINE AS LONG AS THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN ROUTE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE, CORRECT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. SENECA, ADD THE SAME OLD QUESTION HERE. DOES THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE HAVE THIS FORM OR HAVE THEY READ THIS INFORMATION? I DON'T KNOW THIS, UH, ALL, ALL THE MEETINGS, UH, NORMALLY GO TO COUNCIL OFFICES AND TO HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. SO THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION ONLINE. ANYBODY CAN CLICK POTENTIALLY AS SOON AS WE PUT THAT FORM ONLINE, WHICH IS TODAY. ANYBODY CAN CLICK ON THE FORM AND THEN PRINT IT IF THEY NEED TO, OR THEY CAN FILL IT AT THAT POINT. WELL, MY CONCERN IS, WELL, THEY CLICK TO IT, YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL. BUT ANYWAY, I'LL, I'LL CALL MY CITY COUNCIL PERSON AND TELL HER ABOUT THIS SO THEY WON'T YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF, IF YOU DO THAT AND IF EVERYBODY CONTACT THEIR COUNCIL OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF THIS. NOW, AGAIN, AS I SAID, THE COUNCIL OFFICE WILL GET AN EMAIL FROM US NORMALLY ON WEEKLY BASIS OF HERE'S THE EVENTS, HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT IF YOU WANNA REMIND THEM, I KNOW THEY GET A LOT OF EMAILS LIKE ALL OF US, SO JUST, YOU KNOW, HELP US WITH THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE BACK, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM. YES. MY NAME IS IRMA HOFFMAN, 30 11 WHITETAIL DRIVE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SPECIFY, YOU, YOU ALL HAD ON THERE THAT ONLY FOUR NON APPOINTED MEMBERS ARE CHOSEN THEN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS THE WAY WE PLAN AT THE PRESENT TIME, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO LET'S SAY IF, IF THERE ARE 25 APPLICANTS, ONLY FOUR CAN BE CHOSEN FROM THERE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT DONE? ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW [00:45:01] THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED THE, THE CRITERIA ON IT. OKAY. IN MOST CASES, FROM A BOARD POINT OF VIEW ONLY MM-HMM. , UH, IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE OF DO WE HAVE A VACANCY IN TERMS OF, UH, CAPABILITIES OR EXPERIENCE OR, UH, EDUCATION. MM-HMM. , UH, FROM THE PRESENT BOARD AS IT OR THE PANEL AS IT SETS NOW. BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S PERSONAL OPINION ONLY. MM-HMM. , UH, AND I THINK I CAN DRIVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFLUENCE ON THAT, MA'AM. THAT'S FINE. I'M, I'M JUST, BECAUSE I SAW FOUR AND I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY APPLICANTS WILL, WILL BE SUBMITTING. WE, WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE'D HAVE THAT MANY APPLICANTS, RIGHT? ? YES. BECAUSE WE, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO FILL THOSE VOIDS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE AT THE PRESENT TIME ON THE PRESENT PANEL. OKAY. THANK YOU. INFORMATION. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, WE, AND UM, I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD AS WELL, CORRECT? FOR SURE. WHICH IS A DIFFERENT THINK THERE'S, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN AS A VACANCY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S OTHERS. THERE WERE SOME AND, AND IT ALL DEPENDS. BUT THAT, THAT'S, WE ALL JUST HAPPENED TO BE ON THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD AND THEN WE ENDED UP IN THIS, AND NOW WE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . BUT IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN DOING, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TYPE OF THING. AND DEPENDS ON, AGAIN, WHERE YOU LIVE, WHAT YOU DO, WHAT YOU DID, RIGHT. IF YOU'RE RETIRED MM-HMM. . OKAY. IT'D BE WORTH IT IF YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A LONG HAUL. MM-HMM. . YEAH. THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT GO WITH THAT. SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT ADJOURN RIGHT AFTER THIS. PUT IT IN A MOTION. JUST A MINUTE TO WAIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. AND JUDGE, JUST AS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF BOARD POSITIONS, AVAIL BOARDS AND COMMISSION POSITIONS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE VACANCIES AND FILL OUT AN APPLICATION FOR THOSE VACANCIES. IT MAY NOT BE IN, UH, THIS PARTICULAR ARENA, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, BY LOOKING AT VACANCIES, UH, STARTED TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF THEM STILL AVAILABLE. YEAH, I DO. UM, WE HAVE A SET OF CRITERIA FOR THE INDIVIDUALS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THEN MAY I MOTION THAT WE SET A CRITERIA RIGHT NOW, SO WHEN THOSE APPLICANTS ARE BEFORE US, WE HAVE A CRITERIA AND THEN THE STAFF CAN GO AHEAD AND GET IT SET UP? UH, WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO TAKE A, A FEW MOMENTS TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT CRITERIA YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. I'VE OBVIOUSLY GIVEN YOU MY CRITERIA. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE NEED AGENCIES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO GO INTO THAT BECAUSE, AND THEN WE SET THE CRITERIA. SO I MOTION THAT WE START AND TODAY SET THE CRITERIA. SO WHEN THEY ARE COMING IN, WE ALREADY HAVE A CRITERIA INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THEY GET HERE. AND PERSONAL QUESTIONS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REPRESENTING THE PUBLIC. SO I MOTION THAT WE SET A CRITERIA TODAY BEFORE WE LEAVE, SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH WHEN THESE APPLICANTS COME IN. BUT DO, DO YOU ALL HAVE A CRITERIA ALREADY? NO. UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD CRITERIA THAT WE PULLED UP. JUDY, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT, FILE THAT SLIDE BACK UP AGAIN, PLEASE. THE CRITERIA FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, BUT THEY'RE NOT APPLYING FOR THE BOARD. SO THEY, SALMON, I MEAN, ARE YOU, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH THAT MOTION? CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION? SORRY. THE MOTION IS THAT WE SET A CRITERIA FOR THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE COMING IN. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, THAT'S A BUILDING STANDARDS CRITERIA. THEY'RE NOT APPLYING FOR THE BOARD. THIS IS A SUBCOMMITTEE. SO THEREFORE THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? THE LEGAL IS THIS ON? I, OKAY. I HAVE TO, UH, NO, THE, THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE A CRITERIA FOR ANYONE SITTING ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. UM, IT'S THE ONLY REAL QUALIFICATION IS THAT THAT PERSON LIVES WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, AS AS YOU POINTED OUT, THEY'RE NOT APPLYING TO BE PART OF THIS BOARD. AND SO OF YEAH, THIS TIME WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF APPLICANTS WE ARE GOING TO GET. SO WHAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SET ANY CRITERIA IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT APPLICANTS YOU'RE GONNA GET. I, I AGREE. I I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM APPLYING. WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THE APPLICATIONS ACTUALLY COME IN. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE DON'T HAVE A CRITERIA. WE DON'T, IT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM APPLYING, IT'S ABOUT WHEN THEY GET HERE, WE NEED A BOUNDARY TO [00:50:01] SET BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY PICKING FOUR PEOPLE. OTHERWISE, THE CRITERIA DOESN'T MATTER THAT ALL 25 SHOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE. THE, THE REASON WHY WE'VE GOT, UH, FOUR ESTABLISHED IS BECAUSE A EXTREMELY LARGE COMMITTEE WOULD BECOME AN UNRULY COMMITTEE, AND AS A RESULT, THE ABILITY TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. UH, I, I'M ALMOST TO THE POINT WHERE I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU TAKE THE STANDARD BUILDING, I, I MEAN THE, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD CRITERIA, AND LOOK AT ANY WEAKNESSES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THAT PARTICULAR LIST, UH, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST CONSIDERATION. THE NEXT CONSIDERATION BEYOND THAT WOULD BE ANYBODY IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF YOU SAY THAT, THEN ALL 25 WOULD BE ABLE TO SIT ON THE BOARD. NO, UH, NOT ALL 25, 4 OF THE 25. BUT THE CRITERIA WOULD BE, UH, WHERE DO YOU HAVE ANY WEAKNESSES FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD OF FILLING THOSE POSITIONS? AND THEN AFTER YOU HAVE THAT, WHERE COULD YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER, UH, CRITERIA? AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE DO YOU WANT ATTORNEYS? DO YOU WANT DOCTORS? OF COURSE WE'VE GOT MEDICAL INCLUDED IN THIS. SO I, I THINK THE EASIEST WAY TO, TO SAY THE CRITERIA IS GONNA BE FILLED VOIDS OF THE PRESENT BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. AND THEN OUTSIDE OF THAT, ANYONE ELSE? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE CONCRETE MESSAGE. DOES THAT THEN, HOLD ON, DOES THAT NOT EXCLUDE, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT WILL EXCLUDE PEOPLE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FILL THIS, THESE BOARDS? IT DOES. IT EXCLUDES, UH, THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER. IT EXCLUDES RENTERS. IT EXCLUDES A, A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE. AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NON-VOTING MEMBERS, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALLOW THOSE POSITIONS TO BE, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID EARLIER, IT'S NOT ON THAT ONE LINE WHERE THEY WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING. THE SAME THING HERE. YOU'RE TELLING THEM THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF ONE OF THESE EXCLUDES. A LOT OF THE CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE, I AGREE WITH YOU, FRED, BUT ONE OF THE, THE SITUATIONS HERE THAT DEFINITELY THE STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT IT. US, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. DO YOU HAVE THE TIME OR DO YOU WANT THAT ON YOUR RESUME? YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WERE ON, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR, TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, RESUMES. WE'RE HERE TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE NEXT THREE, FIVE YEARS. SO YOU SEE, THAT'S THE THING ABOUT IT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE, WELL, MAYBE YOU, YOU COULD HAVE. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME, WHAT, YOU KNOW, MR. MORALES CAME. AND SO DEFINITELY HE, AS AN EXAMPLE, HE WOULD HAVE THE TIME. BUT I MEAN, THAT'S A, THE TIME, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE BEEN IN FULL BOARD? REALLY? THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE. SO THE TIME IS A GREAT BIG CRITERIA. AND THAT'S MY COMMENT. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE CAN'T USE THIS CRITERIA BECAUSE IT WILL EXCLUDE, I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT 95% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANNA HEAR FROM, WHICH IS THE REGULAR PUBLIC RENTERS HOUSE OWNERS. THE PUBLIC, UH, RENTER VERSUS OWNER IS NOT EVEN A, A CRITERIA FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. IT'S A, IT'S AN ISSUE OF IT, PROFESSION AND EDUCATION. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND, LIST THAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA. OTHERWISE, THE COMMENT CONVERSATION DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. SO GIVE ME SOME SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND. IF I CAN INTERJECT VERY QUICKLY. GO AHEAD, SAM. GO AHEAD. THE LEGAL CONCERN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH ANY CRITERIA, AND THAT IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S DISCRIMINATORY, THAT IT IS OPEN ENTIRELY TO THE PUBLIC. AND THAT WORKS IN TWO WAYS. THAT THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS IN TERMS OF THAT WE'RE NOT DELIBERATELY EXCLUDING PEOPLE FROM IT. BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING CATEGORIES THAT WOULD EXCLUDE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. AND I'LL, I'LL JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE TO KEEP, BEAR IN MIND. IT, IT CAN BE RAISED. AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF WE STICK TO THIS HERE, THEN WE'RE EXCLUDING A LOT OF THE PEOPLE. IF WE GO BY WHAT WE HAVE UP HERE, THAT EXCLUDES, I GO BACK, I GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT. IF YOU HAVE CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, PROPOSE [00:55:01] THE CRITERIA, OTHERWISE IT BECOMES A TABLED ISSUE. HONESTLY, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A CRITERIA. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT IS THAT IS FINE. LIST THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT. HOW ARE WE GONNA COME UP WITH THE FOUR PEOPLE IF THEY'RE, AGAIN, SAY EVEN 10, APPLY, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE USING TO BRING THOSE FOUR PEOPLE IN HERE, OTHER THAN THE CRITERIA? AND I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE USED AS A, AS A STARTING POINT. I SAY AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE CRITERIA YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, PROPOSE THE CRITERIA, PLEASE. I'M ASKING 'CAUSE WE GOT OUT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THE BOARD, I PROPOSED THAT WE USE THE, UM, LITTLE BIO THAT PEOPLE WRITE AS OUR CRITERIA. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BIG BACKGROUND, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF. AND IF THEY CAN'T EXPRESS THEMSELVES ON PAPER, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK VERY WELL HERE. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD USE AS OUR CRITERIA IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO WRITE THAT ONE 50 OR 300 WORDS. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY IT WAS. MIKAYLA. I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT IF WE JUST FORM A, A NOMINATING COMMITTEE, A B OF A SUBGROUP OF THIS COMMITTEE TODAY TO REVIEW THE NOMINATIONS THAT COME IN AND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO THIS COMMITTEE ON WHICH THE NOMINATIONS SHOULD GO FORWARD FOR APPROVAL. IS THAT IN FORM OF A MOTION OR IS THAT PRESENT RECOMMENDATION? I'LL PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. OKAY. AND I'LL SAY THAT, MIKAYLA, YOU HAD A COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO THAT? UH, YEAH, MY, MY COMMENT WAS JUST THAT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD USE, UH, WHAT THEY WRITE AS THE CRITERIA. YEAH. SOMETHING, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AT THE PRESENT TIME IS FORM A SUBCOMMITTEE TO FORM THE CRITERIA FOR SELECTION OF THE ADDITIONAL PANEL MEMBERS. DO I HAVE A SECOND OF THAT? REC THAT MOTION. I SECOND, UH, WE'LL DO THIS WITH, LET'S ACTUALLY DO THE ROLL CALL ON IT IF WE COULD. JUDY, PLEASE. UH, THANK YOU. QUESTION WAS DISCUSSION. OUR COMMENT WAS DISCUSSION. I DID NOT INVITE THAT. MM-HMM. . YEAH, I WAS HOPING THAT THIS NOMINATION COMMITTEE COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, REVIEW ALL OF THE, THE NOMINATIONS THAT COME IN AND MAKE A RECOGNITION BACK TO THIS PANEL, WHICH FOUR TO SELECT. UH, THAT'S FOR APPROVAL. THAT'S A MODIFICATION FROM THE, FROM THE MOTION THEN THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. UH, SO STATE THAT AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. I WAY I HAD ENVISIONED THIS IS THAT WE WOULD FORM A NOMINATION COMMITTEE. THAT NOMINATION COMMITTEE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REVIEWING ALL THE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS AND THEN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF THE, BEFORE THE SHOULD COME FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL. UH, THEN THAT, UH, GOES OUTSIDE OF THE CONVERSATION THAT MR. HEIS WAS HAVING ABOUT WHAT'S THE CRITERIA OF THOSE FOUR SELECTIONS. AND THE CRITERIA BASICALLY IS WHAT IS YOUR OVERALL CAPABILITY? A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT CAN, CAN THE SUB COMMITTEE THAT WE FORM TO REVIEW MAKE THE CRITERIA? THAT WAY THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO WELL, THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY WHAT HE'S RECOMMENDING. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THAT'S I'M, I'M, THAT'S MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HIS AMENDMENT OR TO HIS, UM, PROPOSAL TO HIS MOTION. OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. I GO BACK TO DAVID'S QUESTION. UH, SAM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO TO MAKE IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON, ON ON THE RIGHT. THE THE ONE THING I, I, AGAIN, WILL CAUTION YOU IS THAT IF YOU ARE CREATING CATEGORIES AND CREATING CRITERIA, UM, NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT NONE OF IT IS DISCRETIONARY, NONE OF IT IS EXCLUSIONARY. BUT THE OTHER FACTOR ALSO IS IT ALSO HAS TO BE OPEN. UH, WE CAN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF A SECRET PROCESS OR SECRET CATEGORIES THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT AWARE OF. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO BE AS OPEN AS AND AS TRANSPARENT IT IS, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM, PER SE, WITH A COMMITTEE REVIEWING THE APPLICATIONS AND OFFERING THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY FINE, CERTAINLY WITHIN THAT LEGAL CONTEXT. BUT AGAIN, I I, I CAUTION YOU ON CREATING CATEGORIES OR CRITERIA, UM, OR AT LEAST IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO SO, IT NEEDS TO BE AS A PROCESS OF ROBUST DEBATE IN THE OPEN AND WE NEED TO VET THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO ONE BEING EXCLUDED. WITH THAT SAID, THEN BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN MEETING ON IT AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT OPEN MEETING ON ALL APPLICATIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. AND THE CRITERIA PER SE, WOULD NOT EVEN BE APPLICABLE. IT WOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT THE QUALIFICATIONS OF EACH INDIVIDUAL AND THEN VOTE YOUR CONSCIOUS BASED ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE WOULD BE CORRECT FOR THE CAPABILITIES AND THE CRITERIA. I BELIEVE THAT WOULD FIT A DUE PROCESS AS WELL AS FAIR PROCESS. I'M GOING TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL, NOT PROPOSAL THE DIRECTION [01:00:01] FROM OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND TABLE THE DISCUSSION. AND WE WILL INDEED HAVE A REVIEW, A REVIEW OF EACH APPLICANT AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND WE WILL SELECT PUBLICLY WHO THOSE FOUR MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE. SO THE ISSUE IS TABLED UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU, SAM, BUT YOU STATED THAT, AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA ABUSE YOU, BUT I APOLOGIZE IF I DID, BUT SOMETHING GOOD CAME OUT OF IT. I HOPE . THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DANNY, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, JUST BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO OUR WEBSITE. SO THE LINK HAS BEEN UPLOADED ALREADY. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, THE LINK IS, UM, LIVE, THE FORM IS UPLOADED AS WELL. UH, WE DO HAVE SOME HARD COPIES HERE. UM, AND SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO RECEIVE OR, OR PICK UP A HARD COPY, THEY'RE AVAILABLE AND WE'LL HAVE SOME IN OUR LOBBY AS WELL. EXCELLENT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PANEL OR FROM THE PUBLIC? YEAH, I GOT ONE MORE COMMENT. LET ME, LEMME GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC FIRST PLEASE. OKAY. AND AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND YOUR ADDRESS. UM, 5 6 0 6 CASTLE NIGHT DRIVE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK FOR THE PHYSICAL, FOR THE PHYSICAL COPIES, WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE THE PUBLIC TO TURN THOSE IN? UH, DENNY THE QUESTION WAS WHERE WOULD WE HAVE THOSE TURNED IN? AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONLINE ON WHERE THEY GO TO, BUT IF YOU WOULD, UH, JUST ANSWER HER QUESTION ON WHERE THAT, UH, FORM GOES TO. YEAH, DEFINITELY. SO WE HAVEN'T DESIGNATED SOMEBODY JUST YET, BUT WE'LL BE HERE IN THE LOBBY AREA. WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR OUR, WE HAVE A, A CODE ENFORCEMENT DESK OR FRONT COUNTER HERE. THEY CAN DROP IT OFF WITH THE COUNTER OR THE RECEPTIONIST THERE, AND WE'LL PICK 'EM UP FROM THERE. SO IT JUST RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN OUR LOBBY HERE, BE MAILED BACK IN. ALSO, THEY CAN BE MAILED BACK IN AS WELL. CORRECT. VERY GOOD. UH, MS. ES? YEAH. UM, WE ARE NOW ADDING THE FACT THAT THEY CAN PICK 'EM UP HERE TOO. SO WHILE WE'RE ON THE AIR OR ANYBODY LIKE YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU CAN TELL 'EM THAT AS WELL. THAT THEY CAN PICK UP THE APPLICANT'S AS, AS HERE TOO. THAT'S CORRECT. BECAUSE THAT WASN'T MENTIONED EARLIER. YES, SIR. SO THAT'LL BE IN ADDITION TO THE PICKUP, SO THAT'S ANOTHER CORRECT. WE'LL, WE'LL UPDATE OUR, OUR, OUR PAGE TO READ THAT AS WELL. BUT THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ONLINE, THE ONES WHO DON'T HAVE ONLINE AND CAN GET IT. THEY CAN COME UP HERE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO A LIBRARY IF A LIBRARY'S NOT NEARBY. CORRECT. AND IN ADDITION, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, WE'LL, WE'LL PUSH THE MESSAGE OUT. AGAIN, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE, UM, RESIDENTS THAT DON'T UNFORTUNATELY HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET. UH, IT SERVE AS A MO POINT, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THE WORD OUT TO THE COUNCIL OFFICE AND, UM, SOMEHOW WE'RE, THEY, THEY CAN ALSO DROP OFF HERE, WHICH MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR PEOPLE 'CAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE THE BUILDING'S AT. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. YES SIR. OPEN THE DISCUSSION TO THE PANEL. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? IF NO QUESTIONS BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT, YOU DIDN'T ASK THAT UNLESS THERE ARE OBJECTIONS YOU DIDN'T ASK THAT IF THEY HAD ONE. UH, GOOD POINT. UH, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INPUT? NO, NO ADDITIONAL INPUT. I I JUST HAVE ONE LAST THING AGAIN. SO THIS, THIS IS A COPY OF THE 2021 I P M C. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A COPY, COME BY AND SEE ME. I'LL, I'LL GET YOU A COPY. SO I HAVE 10 COPIES TODAY. UM, SO WE HAVE WHAT, EIGHT MEMBERS TODAY, SO WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH I THINK. RIGHT? SO, UM, HOW MANY? 9, 9, 9. CAN'T COUNT. SORRY, . UH, BUT NO REALLY, IF YOU DO NEED A COPY, LET ME KNOW. I'LL GET YOU A COPY. OKAY. AND YOU'LL BE THE FIRST YA WHEN ZUNI GO . WITHOUT OBJECTION. BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.