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YEAH, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CALL IT TO ORDER.
UM, I KNOW, I KNOW CHIEF ROSOW HAD A RUN UP AND DO SOMETHING REAL FAST, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH A FEW OF THE CLERICAL ITEMS AND THEN HOPEFULLY SHE'LL BE BACK WHEN WE'RE READY TO START TALKING ABOUT THE I F C ALRIGHTYY.
SO, I'M JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, THIS IS OUR BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE MEETING, TALKING ABOUT THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE.
THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING IN, IN RE REFERENCE TO THE FIRE CODE.
UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH A ROLL CALL TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE QUORUM.
MARK ROSS, AND JACK UP MORE HERE.
UH, ANY VOTES WILL GO TO BRIAN SMITH AS JOES IS THE ALTERNATE IN THAT POSITION.
AND, UH, WE WILL START WITH A QUICK INTERPRETATION VIDEO.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU, UH, DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW? ALRIGHT.
UH, WE HAD NO EMAILS OR ANY VOICEMAILS COME IN TO READ INTO THE RECORD FOR THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME.
SO, AT THIS TIME, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE IS TO REVIEW AND, UH, VOTE TO APPROVE THE APRIL 21ST, 2022 MEETING.
THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE.
CAN I, I ASK A QUESTION, MIKE FIRST, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DECIDED AS A COMMITTEE TO TABLE THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND HOME IMPROVEMENT CO UNTIL WE WENT TO THE, THE ENTIRE BOARD BUILDING BE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS, BUT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER AND THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING.
NO, I, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS, UH, HAVE A STAKEHOLDER MEETING ABOUT THAT, WHICH WE HAVE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO THIS COMMITTEE ONE MORE TIME AND UH, SEE, SEE WHERE THAT COMES.
AND THEN, SO IT'S NOT ON WHETHER IT MOVES FORWARD, WE WOULD TAKE IT TO THE FULL BOARD THEN.
SO IF WE NEED TO AMEND THAT, WE CAN.
ALRIGHT, WITH THAT SAID, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 21ST MEETING MINUTES.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ROBERT, UH, MADE THE MOTION AND, AND BRIAN SECONDED.
UH, ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? ADOPTING THE MINUTES? SAY AYE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE AGENDA ITEM WE, WE HAVE FOR ALL THE COMMITTEES IN CASE WE EVER DO NEED TO ADD ANYBODY, UH, TO HELP WITH QUORUM.
UH, AT THIS TIME I THINK WE ARE SUFFICIENT WITH THAT.
DON'T HAVE ANYBODY HERE THAT IS NOT ALREADY VOTED ON.
SO I CAN THINK WE CAN UH, TABLE THIS COM AGENDA ITEM, MOVE TO NUMBER THREE.
ALRIGHT, SO DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND PROPOSE CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF ROSOW WITH THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT'S FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
THANK YOU CHIEF, IF I CAN JUST ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU START.
UM, JEREMY, ON SEVERAL OTHER MEETINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH I B C I E B C A COUPLE OTHERS, WE TABLED ITEMS THAT WERE, UM, FIRE CODE ISSUES.
ARE THOSE ALL, HAVE THOSE ALL BEEN IMPORTED FROM THOSE SPREADSHEETS INTO THIS? OR DO WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE TO, TO TALK ABOUT THEM DIFFERENTLY? YES, THEY HAVE ALL BEEN IN INCORPORATED INTO THE SPREADSHEET.
SO IF WE APPROVE EVERYTHING ON HERE, TALK ABOUT IT THEN WE'RE, WE'VE, WE'RE COVERED FROM THE PAST.
AND WE ALSO HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES.
WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE DO THAT TO MAKE SURE WE VOTE AND GO AHEAD AND JUST HIT IT ON BOTH OF THEM SO WE'RE CLEAR ACROSS THAT.
SO WHEN, IF WE MAKE ANY MOTIONS AT THE END, UH, WE CAN EITHER TABLE THE CHANGES AND SAY WE'LL DO IT UNDER THAT OR I THINK WE CAN ENCOMPASS BOTH AND GO THAT ROUTE.
SO, BUT IT IS AN AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSSION AND AMEND I B C AS WELL.
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GOOD AFTERNOON.UM, SO FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
I'M ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I OVERSEE THE AREA OF FIRE PREVENTION.
UM, I'M ALSO THE DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL.
SO WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE LISTED ON THE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS PROVIDED IN, EMAILED TO YOU YESTERDAY.
HOLD, SO IT'S, OH, THIS ONE? YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE.
THIS ONE YOU HAVE TO
OKAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH, UH, SOME INTRODUCTIONS REAL QUICK.
I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT UM, SOME OF MY, UH, TEAM MEMBERS ARE IN THE ROOM.
WE HAVE FIRE MARSHAL AND DEPUTY CHIEF CHRIS MONIER.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, CAPTAIN KELLY TURNER, CAPTAIN ADAM SMITH, CAPTAIN SEVERSON, CAPTAIN TROY TEAGUE.
UH, WE HAVE YOUNG WAY AND CRYSTAL AND AMIN FROM D S D AS WELL.
IT'S A RARE, THAT IS THE ONE AND ONLY MIKE.
SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UH, WHICH RELATES TO SECTION OR SUBSECTION 1 0 5 0.5 0.53.
UH, IT DEALS WITH OPERATIONAL PERMIT, UH, THAT WAS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND WE HAVE VOTED TO, OH, ACTUALLY WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT ITEM.
SO THIS IS TO ADD SUBSECTION 1 0 5 0.5 0.53 IN-BUILDING TWO-WAY RADIO ENHANCEMENT SYSTEM.
IT IS AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT REQUIRED FOR ANY IN-BUILDING TWO-WAY RADIO ENHANCEMENT SYSTEM INSTALLED IN THE STRUCTURE.
CHIEF, CAN YOU, IS THIS THE LANGUAGE THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE AMENDMENT OR DO WE HAVE THE ACTUAL LANG AMENDMENT LANGUAGE? SO CHAIRMAN, UH, THIS IS MUST BE A, A CHAPTER 11 AMENDMENT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE I F C.
AND THE WORDING, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS JUST AS WRITTEN ON THE DOCUMENT.
ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE ON, ON THIS ITEM? UH, CHAIRMAN, ARE WE GONNA DO LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UH, APPROVE 'EM ALL AT, NOT INDIVIDUALLY? WELL, WE'LL WE'LL DO A MOTION AT THE END, BUT WE GENERALLY GO ITEM BY ITEM AND RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A MOTION ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
BUT WE WILL GET CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE ALL SATISFIED OR HAVE WHATEVER DEBATE WE NEED.
SO IS ANY, ANY, ANY QUESTION OR CONCERN BUT FROM THE COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT OR, UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? SO, AS I READ IT, ALL IT'S SAYING IS BASICALLY YOU JUST NEED AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT SPECIAL JUST FOR THIS TWO-WAY RADIO OTHER THAN JUST HAVE IT INSTALLED.
SO I, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS CONCERNING SECTION 1 0 5 0.6 0.55.
IT IS CONCERNING ANNUAL FARMER'S MARKET.
IT IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, WHICH WILL BE NOTED IN SECTION 1 0 5 6 0.55.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT AND ACTUALLY IT IS TO CODIFY THE EXISTING, UH, CODE INTERPRETATION 2016 DASH 0 0 2 INTO THE ACTUAL AMENDMENTS.
IS THAT, IS THAT WRITTEN SOMEWHERE LISTED?
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JUST GONNA ASK THE SAME THING.CAN, CAN YOU SHOW THAT LANGUAGE? SHOW THE LANGUAGE? YES SIR.
THIS ACTUALLY IS 1 0 5 0.6 0.55 ANNUALS FARMERS MARKET.
IT IS AN ANNUAL PERMIT MAY BE OBTAINED FOR RECURRING FOOD BOOTH EVENTS UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE EVENT IS RECURRING ON A REGULAR BASIS, WEEKLY, BIWEEKLY, MONTHLY.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE EVENT RECURS AT NO MORE THAN FIVE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS LISTED AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE BOOTH IS SET UP IN THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED CONFIGURATION AT ALL EVENTS? YES, PROBABLY.
SO THIS IS A NEW AMENDMENT THAT'LL POP IN AFTER THE PARADE.
OKAY, I JUST SHARED IT WITH YOU ON THE SCREEN.
THIS IS, UH, DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF CHRIS MONIER.
I COULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS ONE IF YOU LIKE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, OPERATIONAL PERMITS FOR FOOD BOOTHS AND THIS IS FOR FARES AND, AND FIESTA EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND YEARS AGO, THOSE THAT WERE OPERATING, UH, FARMER'S MARKETS, THEY HAD RECURRING, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A RECURRING FARMER'S MARKET AND THEY WERE GETTING CHARGED, YOU KNOW, EACH TIME FOR A FOOD BOOTH PERMIT.
AND THEY SAID, LOOK, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUR CONFIGURATION, NOTHING'S DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME INSPECT US ANYTIME, BUT WE DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO BE PAYING THIS.
AND SO THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, SOME YEARS BACK.
AND SO AT THE TIME IT WAS MID-CYCLE IN THE CODE ADOPTION PROCESS AND UH, WE SAID, NEXT TIME THAT WE HAVE CODE ADOPTION, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY, UH, CODIFY THE, UH, THE CODE INTERPRETATION.
SO WE FOUND A WAY TO CHARGE THROUGH OUR REGULAR FOOD BOOTH PERMITS TO CHARGE THESE FARMER'S MARKETS.
SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD IN PLACE FOR PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALRIGHT, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
OKAY, ITEM NUMBER THREE IS SECTION 2 0 2.
IT IS DEFINITION OF SPECIAL HAZARD SYSTEM.
AND THIS IS A NEW ADDITION TO THE LIST OF DEFINITIONS.
SO ESSENTIALLY THIS WILL CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION AND PROVIDE A DEFINITION, UH, FOR THE, THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THE REFERENCE CODE SECTIONS.
SO THIS SECTION SHOULD READ, IT SHOULD READ THAT SPECIAL HAZARD SYSTEM, SPECIALIZED FIRE SYSTEM THAT INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING, AND THAT IS CARBON DIOXIDE EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS HALO 1301 SYSTEMS EXPLOSION PREVENTION SYSTEMS, CLEAN AGENT FIRE EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS, UH, FIXED AEROSOL FIRE EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS AND PROVIDES THE REFERENCE NUMBERS FOR N F P A STANDARDS.
ANY COMMENT CONCERN, WILLIAM, ANYTHING ON THIS? NO, IT, IT, IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A DEFINITION.
UH, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ALSO A DEFINITION.
THIS IS, UH, DEFINITION THAT IS AMENDED AND IT IS RELATED TO FIRE STATIONS INCLUDING THE DORMITORY, APPARATUS, BAYS LIVING AND OFFICE AREAS IF INSTALLED WITH AN AUTOMATIC SMOKE DETECTION SYSTEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION NUMBER 9 0 7 0.2 POINT 11.7 AND SMOKE ALARMS INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH 9 0 7 0.2 POINT 11.2 THROUGH SIX.
AND RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE BY THE FOREIGN MARSHAL.
ON THE SHEET IT SAYS NO, JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THAT CHANGE, I ASSUME THAT WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE.
JUST LOOKING IN HERE, IT SAYS NO TO APPROVE OR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED AFTER ALL.
I, I, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE UP TIME NOW.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW THE BACKSTORY ON THAT.
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IT SEEMS LIKE THE SAFEST BUILDING IN AMERICA.THIS IS A FIRE STATION, IT'S JUST ON THE SHEET.
SO YEAH, THERE
AGAIN, THERE IS LONG HISTORY ON THIS ONE.
UH, GOING BACK PROBABLY THREE PREVIOUS, UH, CHIEFS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ACTUALLY CONSIDERED JUST REMOVING THIS, UM, BUT UH, EITHER WAY IT, THE REFERENCES NEEDED TO BE CHANGED AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THERE.
THIS IS AN EXISTING DEFINITION THAT GOES BACK TO THE, PROBABLY THE 2012 CODE ADOPTION.
AND SO IT, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE BECAUSE THE REFERENCES HAD TO CHANGE, BUT IS THE BRIAN SMITH'S, BUT IT IS, UM, Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATION THAT TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING? CORRECT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT IN THERE AS IT, WELL, NOT AS IT IS, BUT AS MODIFIED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE REFERENCES CHANGED.
ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER FIVE PLEASE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS 3 0 8 0.1 0.4, AND IT IS OPEN FLAME COOKING DEVICES.
THE RECOMMENDATION IS DELETION OF EXCEPTION NUMBER ONE FOR ZERO LOT LINE RESIDENCE.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY A CITIZEN.
YEAH, WE, WE, THIS IS, WE'LL TALK SIX AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO FIVE.
UM, OKAY, SO THIS IS REGARDING, UM, STRIKING EXCEPTION, ONE UNDER OPEN FLAME COOKING DEVICES FOR ZERO LOT LINE RESIDENCES.
AND THIS WAS SUBMITTED BY A CITIZEN, UM, CHAIRMAN, THIS ROBERT HANLEY, THE EXCEPTION IN THE I F C SAYS ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SUBSTITUTING NEW LANGUAGE.
SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON, ON THIS ONE.
UM, AND WE WERE HOPING THAT MAYBE, UH, MR. PAVLIK MIGHT'VE BEEN HERE TO DISCUSS THIS ONE WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD.
UM, HE RECOMMENDED THAT, THAT WE AMEND THIS SECTION OF THE CODE TO REQUIRE A SEPARATION DISTANCE FROM BARBECUE PITS AND ANY KIND OF OPEN FLAME FROM, IN A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENCES IF YOU, IF YOU PLACE THE, UH, COOKING DEVICE OR ANY KIND OF OPEN FLAME DEVICE TOO CLOSE TO ANOTHER RESIDENCE.
AND SO BASICALLY HE WAS SAYING THAT THE, UH, OVERHANG, UH, SOFFIT THERE OF, OF HIS HOME, SOMEBODY WAS, WAS BARBECUING BASICALLY RIGHT UNDERNEATH IT.
AND SMOKE WAS GOING INTO HIS HOUSE AND WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO CODIFY THAT, UH, RESTRICTION VERSUS CALLING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SAYING THAT THIS WAS A NUISANCE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY IN OUR FIRE CODE AND ESPECIALLY THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, WE'VE EXEMPTED ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND WE WANTED TO KEEP IT AS WRITTEN.
SO, UM, PART OF THIS DOCUMENT IS JUST SHOWING THAT IT WAS, IT WAS SUBMITTED, IT WAS REVIEWED, BUT WE DO NOT, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA ADOPT THIS LANGUAGE.
IT'S THE, THE IDEA IS TO JUST LEAVE THE AMENDMENT AS, AS IT IS THE EXCEPTIONS VOTE.
WE DON'T, I MEAN WE'LL VOTE AT THE END.
SO IS THE COMMITTEE IN IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? OKAY.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO FIVE, UH, 3 0 8 0.3.
YOURS IS BACKWARDS ON YOUR, IT IT IS.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM SIX, AND THAT IS, UH, REGARDING OPEN FLAME COOKING DEVICES SECTION 3 0 8, 0.1 0.4 AND RECOMMEND DELETION OF, OH, I'M SO SORRY.
OKAY, SO 3 0 8 0.3 IS THE NEXT ITEM? YES, IT IS GROUP A OCCUPANCIES.
AND THIS IS A NEW AMENDMENT BEING PROPOSED TO ADDRESS SINGLE WELL COOKING EQUIPMENT, USE OF SHAFING FUELS AND ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCIES.
A RECOMMENDATION BY THE FIRE TEAM, FIRE REVIEW TEAM AS WELL AS THE FIRE MARSHAL IS TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
AND THIS PROVIDES CATERERS THE ABILITY TO USE OPEN FLAME DEVICES AND ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCIES AS WELL AS, UM, IF THEY ADHERE TO THE LANGUAGE, UH, WILL ENSURE OCCUPANCY SAFETY AS WELL.
IT SAYS IS A PROPOSED NEW AMENDMENT.
AND DO WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT?
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PUT OUT THOSE ON THE SCREEN? UH, YES SIR.THIS IS ACTUALLY, LET ME SEE IF IT'S INCLUDED ON THIS DOCUMENT BY THE SHAFING FUELS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE CANISTERS THAT THEY USE UNDERNEATH THE SERVING PIECES.
SERVING PIECES FOR THE SINGLE WELL, YES SIR, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED BEFORE, BUT THEY ARE NOW.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? OKAY.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, VIOLATIONS RELATED TO THIS.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS TABLE THREE 15.761.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM REGARDING SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN WOOD PELLET STACKS AND BUILDINGS.
RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND IT CHANGES, REDUCES THE, UH, SEPARATION DISTANCE FROM 10 TO FIVE FEET FOR LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 50 PALLETS.
THIS IS, UH, JUST WORTH MENTIONING BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
IT WAS, IT IS NOT AN AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED, BUT WE WERE MENTIONING IT BECAUSE OF ITS SIGNIFICANCE.
CAN I ASK YOU WHAT THE, WHERE THIS CHANGE CAME FROM, WHAT THE INTENT, SINCE IT'S SO SIGNIFICANT, AND ALSO WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THAT UP, COULD YOU TELL US WHY IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST INCREASE TO DO THAT BY REDUCING THAT FOOTAGE? WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE GATHERING THE INFORMATION.
DID YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AND COME BACK TO THAT? YEAH, THAT WORKS.
WE'LL GO TO ITEM EIGHT, UH, THREE 19.1.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS THREE 19.1 MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THIS IS A UPDATED AMENDMENT.
RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
SO THIS CAME FROM THE PUBLIC THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO UPDATE THIS AMENDMENT AND, UH, AFTER REVIEW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDED AGAINST A CHANGING THE AMENDMENT.
IS THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CAME FROM A FIRE INSPECTOR WITH FIRE PREVENTION AND THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE IS, UM, TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE VENDORS AND THE PUBLIC IT, UH, TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY IN THE DEFINITION OF MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, UH, HAVE HAD CUSTOMERS HAVE HAD SINCE ADOPTION OF THE 2015 I F C AND AMENDMENTS TO INSTALL A FIXED EXTINGUISHING SYSTEM IN MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS REQUIRING ONLY NEW MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS TO BE EQUIPPED WITH A FIXED EXTINGUISHING SYSTEM PROVIDES AN UNFAIR ECONOMIC HURDLE WHEN COMPARED TO THOSE VENDORS WHO ARE ALLOWED TO BE GRANDFATHERED THE INSTALLATION OF FIXED EXTINGUISHING SYSTEMS IN ALL MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS THAT REQUIRE IT WILL ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE VENDORS AND THE PUBLIC.
AGAIN, THAT WAS AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD NOT BE ON THE, ON THE SPREADSHEET AS AN AGENDA ITEM, UM, AS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT NOW BECAUSE, UM, TECHNICALLY WE'RE LEAVING THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS AS THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT.
AND SO ALTHOUGH IT WAS DISCUSSED INTERNALLY AMONG THE GROUP, UM, IT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE AGENDA.
SO CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY.
UH, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING IS WE SHOULD JUST STRIKE THIS AMENDMENT.
NO, I THINK THE, WHAT I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN, CORRECT.
IF YOU STRIKE THIS, YOU'VE, WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING IT.
I THINK, UM, CRYSTAL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AS WE'VE
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GONE THROUGH, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED EVERY AMENDMENT THAT'S EXISTING AND, AND JUST VERIFIED THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IT RIGHT.THAT, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE OUTTA THE NORM FOR US TO CONSIDER THIS AMENDMENT AND JUST REAFFIRM THAT WE WANNA KEEP IT.
WE HAVE DONE THAT FOR THE OTHER BUILDING RELATED CODES.
I THINK THE, UH, NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS IN EACH OF THOSE CODES IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
UM, SO THAT MAY NOT BE, UM, A NAME MAY NOT BE A GOOD USE OF OUR TIME HERE TO GO THROUGH EACH FIRE CODE AMENDMENT.
THAT'S A VERY, UH, FAIR RECOMMENDATION.
SO YEAH, WE'LL JUST STRIKE THIS FROM THE SPREADSHEET.
UH, WHEN WE MAKE OUR VOTE AT THE END, WE'LL JUST PRETEND LIKE, OR WE'LL NOT PRETEND.
WE'LL, WE'LL NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT PART OF THE, THE, THE VOTE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ARE YOU READY TO GO BACK TO, TO ITEM SEVEN OR DO YOU STILL NEED TO ADMIT ON THAT? THAT'S ALL.
YOU JUST TELL ME WHEN IT'S TO SEVEN.
IT'S PROBABLY A COUPLE MORE MINUTES ON THAT ONE.
OKAY, SO WE'LL GO TO ITEM NINE.
ITEM NINE IS SECTION THREE 20, ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING AND RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
THESE ARE BRAND NEW SECTIONS THAT WERE NOTED BECAUSE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE AS WELL.
AND THEY SPECIFY REQUIREMENTS FOR ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING.
THE USE OF ADDITIVE MANUFACTURING, ALSO REFERRED TO AS THREE D PRINTING IS BECOMING MORE PREVALENT IN INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS AND PERSONAL NON-INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS.
DEFINITIONS ARE ADDED TO THE CODE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL AND NON-INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT.
THIS DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATION IS CRITICAL BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS DIFFER BETWEEN THE APPLICATIONS.
SO, SO THIS IS AN ENTIRELY NEW SECTION ADDED TO THE I F C FOR, FOR YES, THE CYCLE.
ANY, BECAUSE THE, UM, INCREASED USE OF THIS PROCESS.
ANY WILLIAM, ROBERT? ANYBODY? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS 5 0 7 5 1 1 FIRE HYDRANT LOCATION.
AND THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UH, FOR TWO EXCEPTION NUMBER TWO, PORTABLE CLASSROOM BUILDING.
AND A GROUP E OCCUPANCY RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
AND THIS ITEM IS, UH, IN REGARDS TO PORTABLE CLASSROOM BUILDINGS NEEDING TO BE TIED INTO THE, UH, MAIN FIRE ALARM CONTROL PANEL OF THE SCHOOL.
UH, BECAUSE WE WOULD PREFER TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
I L A PROCESS WHERE RECOMMENDATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
OKAY, SO IN THE SPREADSHEET IT SAYS THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS YES TO APPROVE IT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S CHANGED, SO WE WANT TO, WE DON'T WANNA ADOPT THIS EXCEPTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVEN'T COMPLETED THAT.
YOU WANNA GO THROUGH SOME STAKEHOLDER PROCESS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS.
YEAH, WE'LL STRIKE IT FROM THIS, THIS CONVERSATION.
THEY CAN BRING IT BACK WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE READY.
SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE A CHANGE ON THE SPREADSHEET FROM A YES TO A NO THAT WE'LL HAVE TO NOTE.
11 IS UH, SECTION 5 0 8 0.1 FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WE RECOMMEND TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
THIS PERTAINS TO, UH, F ONE AND S ONE OCCUPANCIES WITH BUILDING FOOTPRINT GREATER THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
FIRE COMMAND CENTER WILL BE REQUIRED.
ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE? I'M SORRY.
THIS SECTION FIVE 10 RELATES TO THE EMERGENCY RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS.
AND THESE ARE STILL IN DISCUSSION.
UM, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING READY BY THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE ARE TABLING THE ITEMS RELATED TO SECTION FIVE 10.
SO THAT'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE ITEMS 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.
WELL, IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO I GUESS 20.
THEY'RE ALL FIVE 10 DASH SYSTEM.
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MY UNDERSTANDING CHIEF.WE'RE MAKING SOME PRO, WHICH MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, UH, CHRIS MONIER AGAIN.
SO I, I THINK WE HAVE THE ANSWER TO, UH, THAT, UH, ITEM SEVEN WITH THE PALLET SEPARATION DISTANCE, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE 18 CODE, THOSE NUMBERS WERE SWITCHED AND SO, UM, I THINK IT WAS JUST A CORRECTION, UH, BY I C C TO, TO CORRECT THOSE DISTANCES.
SO FIVE, SO THE MORE PALLETS YOU HAVE, THE FURTHER APART YOU SHOULD BE FROM THE BUILDING.
AND SO THEY HAD THE FIVE AND 10 SWITCH.
SO LE AND THE 18 CODE WAS, UH, LESS THAN 50 PALLETS WAS, UH, 10 FEET GREATER THAN 50 PALLETS WAS FIVE FEET.
AND SO THIS IS A I C C CORRECTION.
I'M GONNA VERIFY IN THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BOOK, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO US.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY MY CURIOSITY WAS WHY IT WAS AT A COST INCREASE.
I WAS WONDERING, UM, CHRIS, WHETHER THAT REDUCTION CHANGED THE FIRE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING THAT'S WITHIN FIVE FEET AND THAT I COULD SEE WHAT A CONSTRUCTION COST WOULD INCREASE.
OKAY, ITEM 21 ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH 31 ARE ALL SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE LINE BY LINE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW.
UH, LET'S GO THROUGH ONE, ONE AT A TIME.
AND BEFORE WE, WE DO THAT, UM, LOOKS LIKE WE HAD A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ENTER.
OH, IT LOOKS LIKE A WRONG TURN.
MAYBE I WAS JUST GONNA TELL HER SHE COULD CHIME IN AS NEEDED, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAD A, SHE FOUND THE WRONG MEETING.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CONTINUE THEN.
OKAY, ITEM 21 IS 6 0 5 0.411 AND 6 0 5 0.4 0.21 RELATES TO FUEL OIL STORAGE TANKS.
RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
IT'S A BRAND NEW SECTION AND SPECIFIES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR FUEL OIL TANKS.
CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
WE HAVE A, I'M NOT ON THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT WE HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL FUEL AND GAS CODE.
IS THIS DUPLICATION OR DOES THERE, I'M LOOKING IN HERE WHETHER IT REFERENCES THAT CODE IF THE CITY ADOPTS A, THE I F G C.
UH, THE CHANGE SUMMARY ACTUALLY MENTIONS THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND IT'S REQUIREMENTS FOR FUEL OIL TANKS ARE ENHANCED WITH SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR TANK DESIGN, A CORRELATING REFERENCE TO THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND ADDITIONAL PROTECTION WHEN TANKS IN A BUILDING EXCEED 660 GALLONS.
I'M GONNA PUNT TO MR. MAID, SEE IF HE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DOES ADOPT, UH, FUEL AND GAS CODE, BUT UH, ANY STORAGE TANK IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE FIRE CODE.
AND THIS, UH, APPLIES ONLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? NEW INSTALLATIONS, YEAH, IT WOULD APPLY TO ANY NEW INSTALLATION, ANY NEW PERMITS OF THOSE TANKS.
AND SO BASICALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THEY HAVE TO BE LISTED TANKS AND SO THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S THE CHANGE THERE.
SO, UH, EDUCATE ME ON THESE TANKS.
IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO REPERMIT PERIODICALLY OR IS IT ONCE IT'S INSTALLED YOU PULL THE PRINT TO INSTALL IT, THEN IT'S THERE FOREVER? YEAH, IT'S A ONE AND DONE ON
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THE INSTALL.THERE ARE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, TO MAINTAIN YOUR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS PERMIT YOUR ANNUAL PERMIT, BUT AS FAR AS THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE TANK, IT'S WHATEVER THE CODE WAS AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION.
SO EVERYBODY WITH THE STORAGE TANK ISN'T GONNA GO HAVE TO REPLACE? NO.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? OKAY, GO TO UH, 22 PLEASE.
ITEM 22 IS 7 0 3 0.2 AND 7 0 4 0.2 RELATES TO REPAIR OF AND PENETRATION, UH, LET'S SEE, LET ME GET THAT ONE.
THIS IS REPAIR OF PENETRATIONS AND VOIDS.
IT'S, UM, ADDITION ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED TO 2021 I F C.
UH, SPECIFIES REQUIREMENTS OR SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE CODE FOR REPAIR, REPLACEMENT OF PENETRATION JOINTS AND VOIDS IN FIRE RESISTANCE RATED CONSTRUCTION.
SO I'LL ASK ANOTHER LAYMAN'S QUESTION HERE.
SO THAT ONLY APPLIES IF THE, IF THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS THAT IT BE A FIRE RATED WALL, THAT THIS PENETRATION MATTERS.
IT'S NOT, UH, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, A 1970 BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU FIX A PENETRATION.
ARE YOU REQUIRED TO BRING THAT UP TO MODERN FIRE PROTECTION? YOU KNOW, NO, THIS IS ONLY RELATED TO FIRE RESISTANCE RATED CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR WOULD ONLY BE NEEDED WHERE IT IS DAMAGED OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S IN, IN NEED OF REPAIR OF JOINTS IN THE VOIDS.
ANY OTHER? NO, UH, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GIVING CLARIFYING LANGUAGE.
UH, THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE SECTION.
IT, I I DON'T THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGE.
ITEM 23 IS 7 0 8 AND THAT IS MAINTENANCE OF SPRAY RES, FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS.
THIS IS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, UM, MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR SPRAY FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS.
AND INTUMESCENT FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO 2021 CODE.
BRIAN SMITH, WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE REQUIREMENTS? IT IS A VERY SHORT SECTION.
MAINTAINING PROTECTION AND READS WERE REQUIRED WHEN THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTED SPRAY FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS AND INTERMITTENT FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS SHALL BE VISUALLY INSPECTED TO VERIFY THAT THE MATERIALS DO NOT EXHIBIT EXPOSURE TO THE SUBSTRATE.
SO THAT WOULD BE IF THE STEEL UNDERNEATH IS EXPOSED AND PORTIONS HAVE BEEN COMPRESSED, MR. CHAIR MEMBERS, THIS IS BASICALLY, OR THIS IS QUITE SIMILAR TO THE ONE WE JUST LOOKED AT.
SO IF THERE'S DAMAGE TO PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED, UM, FIRE RESISTANT CONSTRUCTION OR VOIDS, UM, THAT IT BE REPAIRED.
THIS IS QUITE SIMILAR IN THAT IF, IF, UH, UH, THE SPRAY RESISTANT MATERIAL IS DAMAGED IN ANY WAY, IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING BEING CONSISTENT IN THIS CHAPTER IS MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE APPLIED ARE MAINTAINED THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE BUILDING.
CHIEF, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS.
UM, THE OTHER SECTIONS, NOT THE PREVIOUS SECTION OR THIS SECTION, BUT THE OTHER SECTIONS OF CHAPTER SEVEN ALL REFER TO OTHER DOCUMENTS THAT GIVE A TIMEFRAME FOR THE INSPECTION AND THE FREQUENCY FOR WHICH THE INSPECTION SHOULD TAKE PLACE.
THE TWO SECTIONS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, JUST SAY THAT THEY SHALL BE VISUALLY INSPECTED.
IS IT THE INTENT TO ADD A, A TIMEFRAME THAT THEY DOCUMENT AN INSPECTION ON A YEARLY OR BI-YEARLY BASIS EVERY TWO YEARS OR EVERY THREE YEARS? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TO AMEND TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S PROVIDED BECAUSE IT IS A BIT VAGUE THAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE INSPECTED.
WHO INSPECTS IT, HOW OFTEN? I, I I AGREE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT FOR, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
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DO WE, DO WE NEED TO TABLE THIS ONE UNTIL WE GET THAT DETAIL? YES SIR.WE WILL TABLE THIS ONE AND GET MORE INFORMATION.
SO WE'LL TABLE 23 AND MOVE TO 24.
AND THIS IS GROUP F ONE DISTILLED SPIRITS RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN
SORRY, I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO GET TO IT.
YOU SAID DISTILLED SPIRITS AND IT GOT A LITTLE FLUSTERED FOR A SECOND.
FIRE AREAS CONTAINING GROUP F ONE OCCUPANCIES USED FOR THE MANUFACTURING OF DISTILLED SPIRITS OR GROUP SS ONE OCCUPANCIES USED FOR THE STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS OR WINE ARE REQUIRED TO BE EQUIPPED WITH AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
ANY CONCERN FOR THE COMMITTEE ON THIS? SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD.
AND THAT IS GROUP ONE S ONE DISTILLED SPIRITS.
THIS IS A MODIFICATION, UM, AND IT SPECIFIES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN FACILITIES MANUFACTURING, STORING OR SELLING UPHOLSTERED FURNITURE AND MATTRESSES.
THAT SECTION HAS BEEN REVISED.
UH, THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS, HAS A STRIKE THROUGH FROM PREVIOUS LANGUAGE AND IT READS, AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM SHALL BE PROVIDED THROUGHOUT ALL BUILDINGS CONTAINING A GROUP F ONE OCCUPANCY WHERE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS EXIST.
THE ONLY, UM, ITEM THAT WAS REMOVED FROM THE LIST IS A GROUP F ONE OCCUPANCY USED FOR THE MANUFACTURER OF UPHOLSTERED FURNITURE OR MATTRESSES EXCEEDS 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
OKAY, SO THAT LOOKS LIKE 9 0 3 2 9 4, WHICH ISN'T ON THE SPREADSHEET.
UH, NINE, NO, ITEM 25 IS 9 0 3 2 9 3, WHICH IS ANOTHER DISTILLED SPIRIT OR WINE SECTION.
UM, IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THAT IN THAT SUBSECTION AND INDICATES THAT IT, UM, AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED WHEN THAT AREA USED FOR THE STORAGE OF UPHOLSTERED FURNITURE OR MATTRESSES EXCEEDS 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE ONLY EXCEPTION NOTED IS SELF SER SELF-SERVICE STORAGE FACILITIES NOT GREATER THAN ONE STORY ABOVE GRADE PLANE WHERE ALL STORAGE SPACES CAN BE ACCESSED DIRECTLY FROM THE EXTERIOR.
WE'RE ADDRESSING BOTH SECTIONS.
WELL, LET'S DO NINE THREE FIRST AND THEN SINCE 9 0 3 2 9 4 DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ON THE SPREADSHEET, WE CAN ADD AN ITEM 48 AND JUST, UH, APPROVE THAT AT THE SAME, SAME TIME.
IF THE COMMITTEE'S ALL RIGHT WITH THAT.
DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE? AND THE CLARIFICATION USUALLY IS WE TEND TO THIS COMMITTEE, THIS ROBERT HELEY APOLOGIZE, WE ALWAYS ASK IS THIS APPLIED FOR JUST NEW OR ANY, I THINK IT'S WHENEVER YOU CHANGE YOUR OCCUPANCY, WHETHER IT'S A NEW BUILDING OR AN OLD BUILDING, THIS REQUIREMENT'S GONNA KICK IN.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THAT IS WITH A SIGNIFICANT REMODEL.
SO THE COMMITTEE SEEMS GOOD WITH 9 0 3 0.2, 9.3 DISTILLED SPIRIT, UH, IN GROUP SS ONE.
AND WE WILL, UH, ADD ITEM 48 FOR SECTION 9 0 3 0.2 0.9 0.4, UM, WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.
DOES THAT CORRECT? DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? YES.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM, UM, NEXT 26.
ITEM 26 IS 9 0 3 2 10 AND THAT IS GROUP S TWO PARKING GARAGES.
THIS IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WE RECOMMEND ADOPTING AS WRITTEN AND IT IS A CODE MODIFICATION, UH, REQUIRING OPEN PARKING GARAGES TO BE EQUIPPED WITH AN AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM WHEN THE FIRE AREA
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EXCEEDS 48,000 SQUARE FEET.IS THAT A, IS THAT A NEW THING OR IS IT A, JUST A CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF SQUARE, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FEET THAT REQUIRES SPRINKLER OPEN PARKING STRUCTURES WAS ONCE AN EXCEPTION AND HAS A STRIKE THROUGH FROM LAST YEAR'S CODE REQUIREMENT.
UH, MR. CHAIR CHRIS MONER? YES.
CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE CLARIFICATION WHY YOU'RE HAVING TO INCREASE THAT AFTER IT HAS BEEN ALL THIS TIME HAS AN OPEN PARKING AND SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL.
SO THIS WENT THROUGH THEIR NORMAL PROCESS.
WE JUST RECOMMEND ADOPTING IT AS AS WRITTEN AND PROPOSED IN THE NEW BOOK.
UM, AND, UH, THE REASONING FOR THIS, I THINK IS GONNA BE THE SIZE, JUST THE SIZE OF THAT OPEN STRUCTURE AND, UH, HOW DIFFICULT IT MIGHT BE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO, UH, VEHICLE FIRES THAT MIGHT OCCUR IN THE, LIKE A MIDDLE OF A, OF A, OF A LEVEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A CONFLAGRATION, YOU KNOW, FIRE FROM ONE VEHICLE TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT.
AND IT, IT, IT'S BASED ON SIZE, THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE.
HAVE YOU HEARD FROM ANY ORGANIZATION THAT PARTICIPATES IN BUILDING AND OPERATING THESE GARAGES? IS THAT, UH, HAVE THEY REACHED OUT TO YOU ALL? NO, SIR.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? I MEAN, THE, THE LOGIC FROM MY POSITION SEEMS PRETTY INFALLIBLE.
OR WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF 'EM THAT ARE 47,999 SQUARE FEET.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT, HEY, AND IF THAT BOTH ACHIEVED THE SAME THING, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUNCH OF COMBUSTIBLE, YOU KNOW, ITEMS STACKED TOGETHER, GARAGE, I JUST CAME FROM HOUSTON IN A HOTEL AND THEY HAD 'EM IN THERE IN THEIR PARKING LOT.
SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS IF IT'S ALREADY BEING SEEN.
SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE TO, TO TRY AND DO ANYTHING WITH THIS EXCEPT, UH, ADOPT IT.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SET, ITEM 27.
BEFORE WE DO CHIEF, I JUST WANNA SAY NOT TRYING TO BE, UH, PEDANTIC ABOUT THE, UH, 9 0 3 0.2 NOT IN NET FOUR.
JUST DON'T WANT ANYBODY EVER COMING BACK TO THE MINUTES OF THIS AND, AND MAKING A COMMENT ABOUT IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE RECORDED IT PROPERLY.
SO JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
27, OKAY, ITEM 27 IS 9 0, 3 0.2 POINT 10.2.
AND ITS MECHANICAL ACCESS, ENCLOSED GARAGES, PARKING GARAGES, THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE AND IT WAS ADDED TO 2021 I F C AS WELL AS 2021 I B C.
I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE MAYBE TWO OF THESE LOCATED IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND IT JUST DEFINES THAT THEY WILL NOW BE REQUIRED TO, UH, HAVE SPRINKLER PROTECTION.
IS THAT LIKE THOSE CAR VENDING MACHINE KIND OF THINGS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE MECHANICAL, YES, THE, UH, CARVANA AND IT'S THE, UH, SYSTEMS WHERE VEHICLES ARE MOVED TO AUTOMATICALLY BY CONVEYOR BELT TO THE VARIOUS LEVELS.
SO WOULD THIS BE RETROACTIVE FOR SOMETHING THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT OR WOULD THIS JUST BE IF THEY DECIDED TO BUILD A NEW ONE? THAT WOULD BE FOR NEW.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO TO 28 PLEASE.
ITEM 28 IS 9 0 3 0.312 AND THAT'S N F P A 13 R SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THE ALLOWABLE USE OF 13 R SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND GROUP R OCCUPANCIES IS REDUCED, ESPECIALLY THOSE BUILT WITH THE PODIUM CONCEPT, WHICH INCREASES THE FIRE PROTECTION IN THESE BUILDINGS.
SO THIS ONE SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.
UM, RIGHT, THIS IS ONE THAT CAME UP DURING THE I B C.
DOES THAT SOUND CRYSTAL, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
IN INCLUDING THE ONE WITH THE, UM, MECHANICAL ACCESS ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGE, UM,
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27, 28 AND 29 WERE ITEMS THAT WE HAD BROUGHT UP DURING THE REVIEW OF THE I B C THAT WE TABLED TO DISCUSS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LAST ITEM? I MEAN, WE, WE HAD SOME QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE SEPARATION.
I BELIEVE, UM, I, IT WAS LIKELY RELATED TO THE SEPARATION BETWEEN FLOORS SINCE IT'S, THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH SEPARATION BETWEEN FLOORS OTHER THAN THE BELT THAT THE VEHICLES ARE ON.
AND SPRINKLER PROTECTION WOULD BE A CHALLENGE TO PROTECT THE ENTIRE AREA FROM, YOU KNOW, FLOOR TO CEILING, RIGHT? THAT'S THOSE PARKING GARAGES, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
AND, AND SO THIS, IT SAYS, UH, NO LONGER MEASURED FROM HORIZONTAL SEPARATION.
I THINK THAT'S MEANT TO SAY VERTICAL SEPARATION, UM, NOW MEASURED FROM GRADE PLANE.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SAYING THAT IT'S, DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A THREE OR FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX, IF IT'S STARTS CLOSER TO THE GROUND, I GUESS IF IT'S A, OR LIKE A PODIUM BUILD WHERE THE GARAGE WOULDN'T NORMALLY COUNT AS A, AS A STORY, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE ROPING IN MORE BUILDINGS TO, TO GET SPRINKLED ESSENTIALLY.
IS THAT, IS THAT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WHAT, WHAT THIS DOES? WELL, I SEE REFERENCE OF HORIZONTAL SEPARATION, BUT THAT'S ON ANOTHER LINE, UH, THAT IS TIED TO 9 0, 3 0.3 0.1 0.2 13 R SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. AND MR. CHAIR, THIS IS CHRIS MONIER AGAIN, BASICALLY WHAT THIS ONE IS, IS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU WERE ABLE TO MEASURE THE, THE STORIES FROM THE TOP OF THE PODIUM TO GET YOUR REQUIREMENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE A 13 R SYSTEM.
AND SO WHAT THIS DOES IS NOW YOU'RE MEASURING FROM GRADE PLANE.
AND SO EITHER WAY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SPRINKLED, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS CHANGE IN THE LEVEL OF, OF, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, HOW MANY STORIES LEVELING, UH, MEASURING FROM THE GRADE PLANE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO INSTALL A, A FULL NFPA A 13 SYSTEM IN IT VERSUS A 13 R.
SO WHAT'S BEHIND THE, THE CHANGE? IT'S ON PAGE NINE DASH 10 OF THE, OF THE BOOK.
SO AGAIN, UM, THIS IS NOT OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE RECOMMEND ADOPTING IT AS WRITTEN.
SO THIS WAS THROUGH THE I C C PROCESS.
HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UH, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BOOK AGAIN TO, TO DOUBLE CHECK EXACTLY WHAT, UH, WHAT THE FEELING WAS THERE.
I KNOW FOR US, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE AN OBVIOUS CHOICE TO HAVE A FULL N F P A 13 SYSTEM IN BECAUSE OF THE, THE LEVEL OF SPRINKLER PROTECTION.
AND SO OBVIOUSLY THE HIGHER YOU GO THE MORE DIFFICULT IT IS.
UM, IF THERE WERE TO BE A FIRE FOR A FIRE OPERATIONS AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, DO THESE PODIUM BUILDS THAT ARE THREE STORIES NOT INCLUDING THE PODIUM, DO THEY, ARE THEY SPRINKLING ANYWAY OR DOES THAT EVEN EXIST OUT, OUT THERE? I MEAN, ARE MOST, ARE MOST PODIUM BUILDS OVER FOUR STORIES ANYWAY AND THIS IS REALLY KIND OF MOOT? NO, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT THEY, WHAT IT IS IS YOU GET THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU CAN INSTALL A 13 R SYSTEM VERSUS THE FULL N FP 13 SYSTEM, WHICH IS MORE ROBUST AND, AND, UH, THE DESIGN IS DIFFERENT, THE, THE, UH, COVERAGE.
AND SO THAT'S THE ISSUE THERE.
IT SAYS IN THE CODE BOOK 30 FEET, IT, IT SAYS FOUR STORIES AS WELL, BUT IT SAYS, I THINK 30 FEET ON HERE.
SO, UH, CHIEF SIER, BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS A CHANGE THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY I C C AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS NO, UH, EXCEPTIONS TO THIS CHANGE.
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RIGHT? YES.SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TYPE OF SPRINKLER THAT THAT'S INVOLVED IN WHERE THIS IS AN UPGRADED LEVEL OF SPRINKLER THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED.
NOW, WHERE AS BEFORE IT WAS, DO WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE OTHER KIND OF SPRINKLER IN THIS, IN THIS KIND OF BUILD? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT YOUR, IT'S NOT YOUR CHANGE.
I GET THAT AND, AND YOU'RE RECOMMENDING AGREEMENT.
BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS OUR EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, IS IT, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM HERE? NO, SIR.
IT IS, UH, IN MY OPINION, JUST PROVIDES A BETTER COVERAGE.
MR. CHAIRMAN WILLIAM BURRIS, I THINK ALL THIS HAS DONE IS REMOVED THE, UH, ALLOWANCE OF USING THE PODIUM CONDITION.
SO THE CODE USED TO ALLOW, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOUNG WAY, UM, UH, A PODIUM CONDITION.
SO YOU COULD HAVE RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH LIKE A THREE HOUR FLOOR SYSTEM TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN YOU COULD START MEASURING FOUR STORIES AND PUT A 13 HOUR SYSTEM IN THERE, BASICALLY PUTTING YOUR TOP FLOOR AT FIVE LEVELS WITH A 13 R SYSTEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE ICCS THINK FOUND THAT THEY PROBABLY WENT A LITTLE TOO FAR IN PUTTING A 13 R SYSTEM THAT HIGH UP IN A BUILDING.
SO, SO UNDER 2018, ADDITION OF I F C, THEY SPECIFICALLY GO OUT UP TO FOUR STORY AND THE HEIGHT IS 60 FEET.
SO THE WAY YOU MEASURE IT JUST MEASURE FROM GROUND FLOOR TO, TO THE TOP 18.
YEAH, 2121 KIND OF ELIMINATE THAT PODIUM.
THEY TAKE OUT THAT 60 FEET COMPLETELY AND INSTEAD THEY'RE SAYING THAT MAXIMUM 30 FEET, MAXIMUM 30 FEET.
SO THE MAJOR, SO JUST LIKE WILLIAM, UH, MR. MR. BREWERS MENTIONED, THEY TAKE, THEY TAKE OUT ALL THE, THE, THE, THE OPTION FOR BUILDING A PODIUM, THREE HOUR PODIUM, HAVING COMMERCIAL BU USE
YES, WE PROPOSE TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN
SO, SO IF I THINK IT DIDN'T GO AHEAD WILLIAM.
I MIGHT ADD THAT THE 30 FEET YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UH, TO THE FLOOR LEVEL OF THE TOP FLOOR, NOT THE ROOFS.
IS THERE ANY AS A COMMITTEE WE'RE GOOD WITH, WITH THIS? OKAY, WE'RE FINE.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM THE NEXT.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO, UH, 29 AT 9 0 3 0.3 0.1, 0.2 0.2 AND THAT IS QUARTERS AND BALCONIES IN MULTI-FAMILY OCCUPANCIES.
THIS IS A REVISION THAT MODIFIES THE REQUIREMENTS IN N F P A 13 R AND SPECIFIES THAT SPRINKLERS ARE, WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROTECT CORRIDORS AND EGRESS BALCONIES THAT ARE NOT ADEQUATELY OPEN TO THE EXTERIOR COMMITTEE.
ITEM 39 0 6 0.1 RELATES TO PORTABLE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.
UH, RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND THERE'S ONE NEW EXCEPTION, UH, FOR GROUP SS OCCUPANCIES.
BUT AGAIN, WE, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.
IS THIS, IS THIS THE ONE THAT WE HAD THE EXCEPTION WITH THAT WE DISCUSSED? I, WE'LL GO TO, UH, 31 PLEASE.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, 31 9 0 6 0.51 AND 9 0 6 11.
SO THIS IS, UH, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.
THIS WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT FROM THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION AND
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THEY WERE PROPOSING TO STRIKE THROUGH THE LANGUAGE REGARDING LABELS ON CABINETS OR DOORS AND LABELS.UH, FACING FORWARD OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THAT CHANGE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE COMMITTEE, THE, THE PURPOSE WAS THAT THOSE LABELS NEVER, THEY'RE NOT EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY GET PEELED, THEY, THEY DON'T LAST.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY RE RECOMMENDING A CHANGE IN THE AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS EITHER THE LABEL OR A NOTIFICATION IN WRITING TO THE TENANT THAT, UH, TELLS 'EM WHERE THE, WHERE THE EXTINGUISHER'S GONNA BE.
BUT WE COULD ONCE A WEEK, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UH, ANY CONCERN, COMMENT ON THAT.
ITEM THAT 32 IS 9 0 7 0.1 0.2, THAT'S FIRE ALARM SHOP DRAWINGS.
THIS AMENDMENT WAS PROPOSED BY, UH, THE D S D PLAN REVIEW A MEMBER OF THEIR TEAM AND RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, CHANGE THE LANGUAGE ON ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND AMEND THE LANGUAGE TO READ ACOUSTICALLY DISTINGUISHABLE SPACE CLASSIFICATIONS AND DESIGNATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH N F P A 72 2019 EDITION.
CHAPTER 18 INDICATED ON THE FLOOR PLANS IN EACH APPLICABLE AREA WITH A DESIGNATION AND CLASSIFICATION LEGEND PROVIDED IN TABULAR FORM.
AND THIS, YEAH, THIS ITEM THAT I'M SPEAKING, UM, ON IS PROBABLY FLIPPED ON YOUR SPREADSHEET WITH THE NEXT ITEM, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF TIED TOGETHER AND UNDER THE EXACT SAME SECTION, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY, UH, D S D WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE MA MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION? YES.
UH, THE, THE SECTION THAT, UH, CHIEF JUST MENTIONED, UM, OUR REVIEWER FEEL LIKE, UH, WE WANT TO ADD ACTUALLY WE THERE IN OUR, UH, EXISTING, UH, AMENDMENTS, THERE'S ALREADY HANDFUL OF ITEMS LIKE ON THE CHECKLIST, WHAT THEY NEED TO SHOW ON THE SHOP DRAWINGS AND THE ITEM 19, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, DISTINGUISHLY, UH, SPACES, THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALWAYS RUN INTO ISSUES WITH CONTRACTOR AND THEY, THEY, THEY SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, VERY VARIOUS OF, UH, UH, FORMS THAT WE, LOTS OF TIME, WE HAVE A HARD TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY REP, UH, WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT THAT REPRESENTED.
SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE IT, UH, MAKE IT UNIFORM LIKE THE, A FORM FOR THEM TO SUBMIT IT AND THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO GUESS AND CREATING ISSUE AND WE DENY OR CREATING ANY FURTHER DELAY.
THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT OF ADDING THE EXTRA ITEMS ON THE THANK YOU.
AND I AGREE WE DON'T WANT IT TONIGHT, SO IF IT MAKES IT EASIER TO GET IT REVIEWED AND OUT THE DOOR, THEN THAT'S FINE.
SO THIS, UH, ITEM 32 AND 33, UM, HAVE TO DO WITH THE, THE AMENDMENT.
UH, 9 0 7 0.1 0.2, ITEM 16 IS CHANGED TO READ AS, AS PRESENTED ON THE SPREADSHEET AND CH ITEM 19 IS ADDED COMPLETELY, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND ALSO THE, THE NEXT SECTION, THE NEXT ITEM 34 IS ALSO RELATED TO THIS AND IS ADDED ITEM 20.
LET'S, I, I'D RECOMMEND WE JUST KIND OF GET THROUGH THESE ALL, ALL TOGETHER.
SO ANY, ANY CONCERN FROM THE COMMITTEE ON, ON EITHER OF THESE THREE? OKAY, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE APPROVE UH, 32, 33 AND 34 AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO 35.
SORRY BRIAN, UH, SMITH, IF YOU COULD, IF, IF WE WERE ADDING THIS, MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE SOME KIND OF A FORM OR A SAMPLE FORM SO THAT EACH PERSON WILL KNOW WHAT KIND OF FORM, I MEAN Y'ALL DO REALLY GOOD, BUT IF YOU CAN SHOW AN EXAMPLE OF THIS IS REFERENCE, THIS IS THE ICER, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE TYPE OF THING.
AND THAT ALLOWS WHOEVER'S DOING IT AGAIN, IF I'M, IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY FROM THE INTENT, YOU'RE WANTING CONSISTENCY AND IF WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
COMMONLY USED TYPE OF, THEY WERE CONFUSED ON IT.
TO ME IT WOULD JUST BE JACK UP MORE.
THERE'D JUST BE SOMETHING CONSISTENT IN THE INDUSTRY THAT WOULD BE A SYSTEM THAT EVERYBODY USES AND FIGURE IT OUT AND NOT HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
ROBERT, I TRY TO AVOID ANY WORD THAT HAS METRIC IN IT ANYWHERE.
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GROUP SS OCCUPANCIES, UH, THIS IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN OUR OPINION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO NO.SO, UM, THE GROUP SS 9 0 7 0.2 POINT 10 IS, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AND THE ADDITION IS ADDED MANUAL FIRE ALARM REQUIREMENTS FOR GROUP SS, PUBLIC AND SELF STORAGE OCCUPANCIES THREE STORIES AND GREATER BRIAN SMITH.
THERE'S NOT A, IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDING IT DOESN'T SAY YES SIR.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING ANY CONCERN FOR THE COMMITTEE ON THIS.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO 36 PLEASE.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, DOES ANYBODY NEED A, A BREAK? WE'VE BEEN GOING AN HOUR AND 15.
BRIAN WENT THROUGH A GALLON OF WATER.
OKAY, ITEM 36 IS 9 0 7 0.2 13.2 RELATES TO FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UM, DELETE THIS SECTION ENTIRELY.
UM, SO FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PLAN REVIEW TEAM ARE AFTER DISCUSSION, UH, WOULD LIKE TO REPEAL THE ENTIRE SECTION THAT ADDRESSES WIRED FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS WILL BE NO LONGER ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND PART OF THE REASON BEHIND THIS IS SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION TO ELIMINATE CONFUSION AS TO UTILIZING THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM IN LIEU OF AN EMERGENCY RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE SYSTEM.
AND THIS IS ALREADY NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY.
SO THIS ISN'T REALLY A MUCH OF A, A CHANGE TO ANYTHING.
OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO 37 PLEASE.
OKAY, NEXT ITEM IS LISTED AS ITEM 37 9 0 7 0.5, 0.2, 0.3 0.1 AND PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED AMENDMENT VISIBLE ALARMS AND PUBLIC USE AREAS.
RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROPOSE THIS AMENDMENT.
IT WAS SUBMITTED BY ONE OF OUR PLAN REVIEWERS AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD, TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE AS WELL AS ADD EXCEPTION TO, UM, LET'S SEE.
THE JUSTIFICATION MENTIONS THAT IT'S GONNA PROVIDE CLARIFICATION AS TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR VISIBLE NOTIFICATION IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND REINCORPORATE REQUIREMENTS FORMERLY IN EFFECT, IT REINSTATES AN AMENDMENT PROVIDED FOR IN THE 2015 EDITION OF THE I F C THAT WAS REMOVED FROM 2018 EDITION AMENDMENTS.
AND THE REINSTATEMENT OF THESE REQUIREMENTS WILL SETTLE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ARISEN THROUGHOUT THE 2018 CODE CYCLE.
THE EXPANDED EXCEPTION ONE SETTLES THE QUESTION OF WHICH AREAS ARE CONSIDERED EMPLOYEE WORK AREAS.
AREAS SUCH AS MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ROOMS AS DESCRIBED HAVE LIMITED ACCESS THAT'S CONTROLLED BY KEYS OR ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEMS. AND EXCEPTION TWO FOLLOWS THE PREVIOUS REQUIREMENT THAT ALLOWED STORAGE ROOMS OF LESS THAN 100 SQUARE FEET TO BE EXEMPT FROM VISIBLE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
HOWEVER, THE ADDED VERBIAGE PROVIDES CLARIFICATION FOR CERTAIN ROOMS IN INSTITUTIONAL OCCUPANCIES, WHICH ARE NOTE SOLELY UTILIZED AS STORAGE AND SERVE THE ADDITIONAL PURPOSE OF WORK ROOMS FOR FACILITY STAFF.
SO AGAIN, A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE UH, PLAN REVIEW TEAM AS WELL AS IF OUR MARSHAL IS TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.
ANYBODY CONCERNS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 38 PLEASE.
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0.5 0.2 0.3 0.3 VISIBLE ALARM WIRED EQUIPMENT FOR R TWO OCCUPANCIES AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WAS SUBMITTED BY, UH, ANOTHER PLAN REVIEWER FROM D S D AND IT'S JUST TO AMEND CONDITION THREE.UH, THE LANGUAGE WOULD READ EXTENSION OF THE FIRE ALARM WIRING TO ALL LIVING AREAS, RESTROOMS AND SLEEPING AREAS OF ALL DWELLING UNITS.
THE WIRING MUST TERMINATE IN AN ELEC ELECTRICAL BOX SUITABLE FOR SECURELY MOUNTING AN AUDIBLE VISIBLE APPLIANCE.
THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM SHOP DRAWINGS REQUIRED BY SECTION 9 0 7 0.1 0.2 SHALL INCLUDE THE POWER SUPPLY AND CIRCUIT DOCUMENTATION TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXTENSION OF THE WIRING.
AND THIS ITEM, UM, WE BELIEVE PROVIDES A CLEAR, EFFICIENT METHOD OF COMPLIANCE THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED SUCCESSFULLY IN THE PAST AND IS PRESENTLY IN USE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
AGAIN, THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT AGREES WITH THIS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT OR AMEND.
THIS IS THE REFERENCE SECTION.
UH, ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE A 0.1 AFTER IT.
I HAVE THAT NOTED AS, UH, SUBSECTION WITH AN ADDITIONAL ONE ON THE END.
UH, MR. CHAIR IS, UH, CHRIS MONIER.
UM, I PROPOSE THAT WE TABLE THIS SECTION.
IT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THAT, UH, THIS SHOULD BE AN, AN ADDITION, AN ADDITIONAL EXCEPTION, UH, FROM STAFF.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MODIFY THAT AND BRING IT BACK AND, AND, UH, REWORD IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO ARE WE GONNA TABLE 38 AND 39, WHICH IS 9 0 7 5 2 3 3 AND 9 0 7 5 2 3 3 0.1? BOTH, BOTH OF THESE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL TABLE, WE'LL TABLE 30 ITEMS 38 AND 39.
WE ALREADY, UM, WE ALREADY APPROVED.
HOPE MORE IS, IS WHEN DO Y'ALL MAKE CHANGES LIKE THAT FROM RECOMMENDATIONS? DO Y'ALL HAVE STAKEHOLDERS ON FROM ALARM COMPANIES, ET CETERA, THAT WOULD HAVE ANY INPUT ON ANY OF THAT? UM, YES, ACTUALLY THE PREVIOUS VERSION.
SO THE, UM, EX UH, EXCEPTIONS FROM PREVIOUS ADDITIONS FROM THE PREVIOUS ADOPTION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE KEEP THOSE THAT WERE, UH, PROPOSED BEFORE THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE THIS YEAR.
I DON'T RECALL, UH, ANY STAKE SPECIFIC STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH FIRE ALARM CONTRACTORS, BUT THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS, WHICH WERE, YOU KNOW, UH, THOROUGHLY REVIEWED AND, AND, UH, DEBATED LAST TIME, UM, THEY WERE A PART OF THAT.
AND THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC MEETING, SO THEY WERE INVITED TO THIS.
I BELIEVE THAT THAT NOTICES WENT OUT TO, UH, THOSE THAT, UH, THE CONTRACTORS WE HAVE ON, ON FILE HERE.
BUT, UH, WE WILL REACH OUT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY'RE REMINDED FOR NEXT TIME AS WELL.
OKAY, SO WE'LL GO TO ITEM 40, WHICH IS 9 0 8 0.3.
THAT IS, UH, EMERGENCY ALARM AND FIRE ALARM INTERFACE.
AND THIS IS A, AN AMENDMENT THAT IS, HAS BEEN SUBMITTED BY A PLAN REVIEWER AS WELL.
THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE AND STATES WHERE AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM IS PROVIDED, IT SHOULD BE INTERFACED WITH A BUILDING'S FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
AND THE SIGNAL PRODUCED AT THE FIRE ALARM CONTROL UNIT SHALL BE A SUPERVISORY SIGNAL RECOMMENDATION FROM BOTH TEAMS IS TO ADOPT THIS AMENDMENT AND IT WILL, UM, PROVIDE CLARIFICATION AS TO THESE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR
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AS INTERFACING.SO THE AMENDMENT TO THIS NEW SECTION IS INSTEAD OF SAYING, UM, WHERE IT IS INTERFACED, IT'S SAYING IT SHOULD BE INTERFACED.
IS SHOULD, IS THAT A A GOOD WORD FOR CODE OR SHALL OR SOMETHING SHALL
SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT THAT'S THAT, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT READS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE CODE.
IT'S JUST THAT, IT'S JUST THAT ONE ADD.
SO FOR 40 WE'RE GONNA CHANGE SHOULD TO SHALL IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO THE YES.
AND THEN NOW WE'LL MOVE TO 41.
ITEM 41 IS, UH, VENT OPERATION, UH, NINE 10.3 0.4.
THIS IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND FIRE AND D S D BOTH RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.
IT IS A BRAND NEW SECTION, UH, WHICH REQUIRES CAPABILITY TO OPERATE BY AUTOMATIC AND MANUAL MEANS FOR SMOKE VENTILATION EQUIPMENT.
AND IT IS ALREADY REQUIRED IN N F P A 2 0 4.
WILLIAM, ROBERT, ANYBODY? CHIEF, WHAT WOULD BE THE MANUAL MEANS? OPERATING VENTS? WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE METHODS.
UM, NORMALLY IT'S A CRANK SYSTEM THAT THEY PHYSICALLY TURN TO OPEN THESE DEVICES.
WILLIAM, ANYTHING DIFFERENT? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN, UH, JACK, WE JUST DETECTIVE ALITY THE, YOU'RE WE'RE SAYING THAT IT SAYS OPIATE, THAT'S WHAT SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATED.
I I ASSUME WE HAVE SOME OPIATES THAT I'M NOT SURE OF.
MISSING THE R THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT,
SO IF YOU HAVE, UH, A WAREHOUSE WITH 25 VENTS IN THE ROOF SYSTEM, YOU'LL HAVE 25 CRANKS.
I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD ACTIVATE THOSE THAT ARE, UH, NEAR THE FIRE AREA.
UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY ON THE TEAM HAS SEEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT OUT IN THE FIELD INSPECTIONS.
IT'LL REQUIRE BOTH METHODS TO OPERATE.
AND IS BREAKING THAT, UH, FIREFIGHTER ON THE ROOF, BREAKING THE VENT, LET'S SAY A SKYLIGHT TYPE VENT.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? MANUAL MEANS THAT ACTUALLY COULD BE THE CASE BECAUSE I I DO RECALL THEM BEING DROP AWAY.
THIS IS, UH, LOOK INTO THAT MR. CHAIR.
UH, CHRIS MON IS YOUR QUESTION, ARE YOU ASKING IS A, UH, FIREFIGHTER THAT'S, THAT'S KNOCKING THE VENT OUT? IS THAT AN APPROVED MANUAL MEANS? IS THAT THE QUESTION WILLIAM BURRIS? UH, MY RECOLLECTION IS BACK IN THE NINETIES, UH, AND EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WE REMOVED THE MANUAL MEANS OF OPERATION FOR VENTS SIMILAR TO YOU'D FIND AT A LARGE RETAIL STORE.
AND THEY HAD TO BE AUTOMATIC ONLY.
SO DROPOUT SKY LIGHTS OR SOMETHING WITH A FUSIBLE LINK FOR THE FACT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T WANT TO PUT, UH, STAFF ON THE ROOF TO OPERATE, UM, THOSE MANUALLY.
SO THEY WENT STRICTLY WITH AN AUTOMATIC OPERATION.
SO IF WE'RE, IT APPEARS NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO PERMITTING MANUAL MEANS.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY CRITERIA OF WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT ARE THE ACCEPTABLE MANUAL MEANS? AND I THINK IN THAT SECTION, SINCE IT SAYS, AND I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE OPTION, SO THERE, IT WOULDN'T BE AN EITHER OR.
AND, AND, UH, I, I, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE THERE.
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THINK THE, OH, I'M SORRY, BILL, DO WE NEED TO TAKE THIS? SO I THINK THIS REQUIREMENT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE, UM, OF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE HAVE AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS, A LOT OF TIMES THE AUTOMATIC, UH, DOES NOT WORK AS IT, AS IT AS INTENDED TO.AND SO HAVING THE MANUAL RELEASE IS JUST ANOTHER, UH, WAY FOR FIREFIGHTERS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPEN THESE SMOKE AND HEAT VENTS MANUALLY.
WILLIAM, YOU SATISFIED? DO YOU WANT A TABLE IT AND YOU GET, ALRIGHT.
SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WE'RE GOOD WITH 41, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO 42.
UH, ONE OTHER ITEM I I WILL MENTION REGARDING THIS, THE SMOKE AND HEAT VENT OPERATION IS THAT, UM, THEY NOW DEFINE A MINIMUM OPERATING TEMPERATURE.
THEY SPECIFY THAT AS, UH, RATING OF 360 DEGREES AND THAT'S NEW LANGUAGE AS WELL THAT'S LISTED UNDER NINE 10.3 0.5.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO ADD A SEPARATE LINE FOR, OR IS THAT I DO NOT, BUT IT'S IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO, WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION.
I I, SO WE, ROBERT, WILLIAM, YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A FUSIBLE LINK IS, SO I, I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON THIS.
SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT THEN.
NO, THAT WAS KIND OF TECHNICALLY PART OF 41 0 42 IS UH, FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
FIRE COMMAND CENTER FALLS UNDER NINE 11.1.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR SIDE IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND THE CHANGE REQUIRES THAT F ONE AND SS ONE OCCUPANCIES OVER 500,000 SQUARE FEET HAVE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS YES, APPROVE, UH, RECOMMEND TO APPROVE.
WHAT ARE, YEAH, I DON'T, I, IS THIS A, WHAT WAS THE REQUIREMENT BEFORE THAT? THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
IS, WAS IT, IS IT THE SQUARE FEET THAT ARE REQUIRED THAT, THAT MADE IT A CHANGE OR WHAT? UH, THIS IS CHRIS MONIER, MR. CHAIR.
UM, SO YOU NORMALLY SEE THESE AS A REQUIREMENT IN HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS, BUT SINCE THESE BUILDINGS ARE SO BIG AND SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER LIKE A AMAZON TYPE DISTRIBUTION CENTER, HUGE TYPE OF OPERATION.
AND IF THERE WERE TO BE A FIRE THERE, TO HAVE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER, TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTROL REPORTS AND ALL THAT, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF.
UH, ENUNCIATED PANELS, WHAT HAVE YOU, FIRE PUMP, UH, OPERATE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S OPERATING OR NOT.
TO HAVE ALL THAT IN SUCH A LARGE, LARGE BUILDING, IT'S, IT'S FOR, UH, FIRE OPERATIONS.
AND THIS IS A BRAND, THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT.
SO I WOULD JUST, AND THE DEBATES FOR THE ICC, THAT'S, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS WAS THE SAME AS NUMBER 11 THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.
AND THIS WAS ONE THAT WE TABLED, UH, DURING THE I B C DISCUSSIONS.
SO WILLIAM JUST POINTED OUT TO ME IN THE BOOK, SO NINE 11.1 IS, UH, EXPLOSION CONTROL.
SO THERE MIGHT BE A MIS REFERENCE HERE.
WE JUST DID A COPY AND PASTE FROM OUR I B C SPREADSHEET.
SO CHAPTER NINE IS NOT IDENTICAL IN THE I B C AND I F C.
SO IN I F C 2021 EDITION IS UNDER THE SECTION, UH, 5 0 8 0.1.
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OKAY.I HATE TO BOG THIS DOWN IN TECHNICALITY CRYSTAL, HOW SHOULD WE GO ABOUT THAT? DO WE JUST HAVE TO IDEA IT AS I B C NINE 11.1 OR, OR CAN WE JUST, ROBERT HANDLE, CAN WE JUST SCRATCH IT OR SCRATCH IT? I RECOMMEND WE JUST SCRATCH IT SINCE WE DID DISCUSS IT ALREADY IN ITEM 11 AND THEN JUST, IT'LL JUST CROSS REFERENCE TO WHATEVER OTHER CODE SECTIONS IT NEEDS TO FROM.
SO WE'LL SCRATCH, UH, 42 THEN.
NOW ARE WE SCRATCHING IT OR DID WE WANT TO JUST AMEND IT TO 5 0 8 0.1? 'CAUSE YOU ARE APPROVING IT TO BE ADDED? WELL, WE ALREADY APPROVED 5 0 8 0.1 PREVIOUSLY.
NEXT ITEM IS NINE 12.8 HIGH RISE FDCS.
AND WE RECOMMEND THIS ITEM, UH, TO CHANGE OR REWRITE FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES AND ADD THE F D C REQUIREMENT OF 2016 N F P A 14 TO THE I F C AMENDMENTS.
AND WE HAVE A TABLE NINE 12.8 WITHIN THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE ADDED THE F D C, UM, TO REQUIRE OR THE REQUIREMENT FOR HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO REMOTELY LOCATED FTCS FOR EACH ZONE.
UH, THIS WAS DISCUSSED AND A RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THIS CHANGE.
TO CLARIFY, THIS IS TO CHANGE AMENDMENT NINE 12.8 AND TABLE NINE, 12.8.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THIS JUST PROVIDES CLARIFICATION FOR THIS F T C REQUIREMENT FOR HIGHRISE BUILDINGS WITH ONE OR MORE ZONES AND IT WOULD BE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE'VE COME ACROSS A LOT OF PROJECTS AND THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THIS JACK UP MORE WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT OR THEY JUST DOING IT 'CAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S A BETTER DESIGN OR IT'S JUST PART OF THE IT'S NOT BEING REQUIRED.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO, TO, UM, PROVIDE US TWO SEPARATE LOCATIONS FOR CONNECTION AND ALSO, UM, THIS REQUIREMENT ACTUALLY IT ALLOWS US TO, UH, TO GET TO THE DESIGN TEAM OR TO, UM, BRING THIS TO THEIR ATTENTION EARLIER IN THE PROJECT EARLY IN A EARLY PHASE OF THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION.
AND THIS IS REFERENCING SECTION 7 12 2 OF THE 2016 N F P A 14.
IS THAT, THAT'S THE REFERENCE? YES SIR.
IT'S, UH, SECTION SEVEN POINT 12.2 OF THE 2016 N F P A 14.
UM, SO THIS IS MORE LIKE A CLARIFICATION TO THE CURRENT, UH, NOT CODE OR, OR, OR STANDARDS.
UM, WE ADOPT THE CODE, BUT THE CODE DOES NOT SPECIFY HOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, HOW, HOW MANY FTC YOU NEED TO, UH, SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE.
HOWEVER, IN THE ADOPT THE STANDARDS, IT PROVIDE A CLEAR, UH, SPECIFIC WAY HOW YOU, HOW HOW MANY F D C YOU NEED TO INCLUDE IN THE SYSTEM.
SO WE JUST WANT TRYING TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT AND, AND NOT CREATING CONFUSION BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UH, CONTRACTOR COMING BACK AND, AND, AND ASKING THAT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY A NEW CODE, IT'S MORE LIKE CLARIFICATION TO THE STANDARDS AND ANYBODY.
ITEM NUMBER 44 IS ACTUALLY STILL IN DISCUSSION.
AND THIS IS RELATED TO FIRE ALARM CONNECTION SYSTEMS. UM, THIS AMENDMENT WAS SUBMITTED OR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE PLAN REVIEW TEAM.
BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION, A FINAL DECISION ON THIS ITEM, THIS LEY CHAIRMAN.
DO WANNA TABLE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? YEP.
ITEM 45 IS 1103 0.7 0.5 0.1 AND IT RELATES TO GROUP R
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ONE HOTEL MOTEL MANUAL FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS. RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.UH, THE CHANGE IS NOW REQUIRED FOR, IS NOW GOING TO REQUIRE HOTELS, MOTELS WITH MORE THAN ONE STORY IN HEIGHT.
UH, AND THAT IS, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY MORE THAN THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT DUE TO THE, UM, NEED TO CONSULT WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL WE DO SO.
WE'LL TABLE 45 AND MOVE TO 46.
ITEM 46 IS 1103 0.7 0.6 AND IT IS GROUP R TWO MANUAL FIRE ALARM.
UH, WE PROPOSE DELETION OF SOME LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES A DEVICE IN THE ATTIC AND LET ME GET THE INFORMATION.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS ITEM, UM, HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND WE, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
THIS, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE JUST MAKING A, A MINOR CHANGE.
THE, UH, INTERIOR CORRIDOR SERVING LESS THAN FIVE UNITS, THAT'S TWO STORIES OR LESS IS EQUIPPED WITH A SEALED BATTERY OR ELECTRIC SMOKE ALARM INSTALLED INSTEAD OF THE ATTIC.
WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE IT IN THE, UM, THE CORRIDOR, THE THE INTERIOR CORRIDOR.
ANY, ANYBODY FROM THE COMMITTEE? NO.
ITEM NUMBER 47 IS 1103 0.9 0.1.
AND THAT'S CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION.
THE, LET'S SEE, WE DON'T, DO NOT HAVE A DECISION ON THIS.
THIS IS, UH, WE MET WITH THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION AND WE RECOMMEND, UM, APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.
SO THAT'S JUST TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY WRITTEN.
UH, THERE'S, UH, SOME LANGUAGE THAT PROVIDES FURTHER CLARIFICATION AND THAT IS FOR CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION, UM, WILL BE REQUIRED IN INDIVIDUAL UNITS FOR WHEN THERE'S A FUEL BURNING APPLIANCE.
IT, IT WAS REQUIRED IN ONLY THE ADJACENT UNITS WHERE NOW THE, UM, IT'LL BE REQUIRED IN THE ALL UNITS BEING SERVED BY THAT APPLIANCE.
WE HAVE NOT, UH, BRIAN SMITH UPON, UH, REVIEW OF MY NOTES, I, I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM, UM, AND MEET WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
THIS ONE IS SHOWS TO BE PENDING DECISION.
CAN I STILL ASK THE QUESTION THOUGH? UM, HOW I'M INTERPRETING THIS IS IT'S GOING FROM, UH, CARBON MONOXIDE WHERE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE GAS, YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE AREAS ARE NOW IT'S SAYING IT'S IN ALL UNITS REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU HAVE GAS OR NOT.
I MEAN, WELL, NO, IN, UM, IT WOULD BE IN, INITIALLY IT WAS ONLY IN THE UNITS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE FUEL BURNING APPLIANCE.
UH, WHEREAS NOW IT WILL BE ALL UNITS REGARDLESS OF THEIR DISTANCE FROM THE APPLIANCE.
YES, JUST THE NATURE, ASSUMING THEY HAVE A FUEL BURNING APPLIANCE.
AND SO I, I AGREE IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS A TABLE, IT, I'D, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION SO WE CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE THE WAY, THE WAY THE, UH, AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN DOWN, BASICALLY YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAS, UH, SAY A BOILER THAT SERVES THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THE ONLY THE WAY THE AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN.
NOW, THE ONLY UNITS THAT REQUIRE THE CARBON OXIDE DETECTOR ARE
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THE ONES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE ROOM WHERE THE, THAT BOILER SITS, BUT IT SERVES MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS.UM, AND SO THERE'S, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IT.
SO, WE'LL TABLE 47 AND THAT I BELIEVE IS THE ENTIRE SHEET.
WHAT ABOUT 48? WELL, WE ALREADY KIND OF CREATED 48 AND WE KIND OF, THAT WAS A CREATION.
YEAH, WE, WE CREATED THAT AND APPROVED IT AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK WE ALREADY GOT TO SEVEN AND, AND GOT THE ANSWER.
THE, THAT SEVEN WAS THE ITEM ABOUT THE PALLET STACKS AND, AND SHE FOUND THAT IT WAS RE THEY REVERSED THE NUMBERS AND JUST REVERSED THEM BACK.
SO I THINK, I THINK WE WERE GOOD WITH SEVEN.
SO I'M GONNA, UH, AND CRYSTAL, WHOEVER ELSE HAS BEEN TRACKING THIS, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH WHAT I HAVE AS THE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS SPREADSHEET SO THAT WE CAN TALK, TAKE, DISCUSS, AND TAKE A VOTE.
UH, THE FIRST EXCEPTION, UM, IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
THE SPREADSHEET RECOMMENDS NO TO APPROVAL, BUT WITH THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING YES TO APPROVAL.
UM, NUMBER EIGHT, WE'RE GONNA STRIKE THROUGH THE ENTIRE ITEM AND, UH, AND KEEP THE AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN FOR NOW.
AND NUMBER 10, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, TABLE I BELIEVE AND THEN 12 TO 20 THE E R R C TABLES.
WE'RE ALL GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TABLE ALL OF THAT 23.
WE'RE GONNA TABLE PENDING, UM, INFORMATION REGARDING INSPECTIONS.
WE ADDED LINE 48, UH, FOR SECTION 9 0 3 0.294.
IS IT POINT OR NOT DOT ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
UH, 35, UH, THE APPROVAL SHOULD SAY YES.
WE'RE GONNA TABLE, UH, ITEM 40.
WE'RE CHANGING THE WORD SHOULD TO THE WORD SHALL.
UH, WE'RE GONNA STRIKE THROUGH AND ELIMINATE 'CAUSE IT'S A DUPLICATE ITEM.
UH, WE'RE GONNA TABLE 44, 45 AND 47.
SO I THINK, UM, WHAT I, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS APPROVE THESE AS, AS IS IF WE CAN GET A MOTION THEN WE CAN START ANY KIND OF DISCUSSION UNLESS JEREMY, YOU'RE STANDING THERE.
WOULDN'T IT INTERJECT SOMETHING? YEAH.
ROBERT HANLEY JACK UP MORE SECOND.
OKAY, SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH THE EXCEPTIONS STATED, UM, MOTION BY ROBERT SECOND BY JACK, UH, JEREMY BEFORE WE VOTE, OR YOU SOUND LIKE YOU LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SAY? NO, I JUST WANNA BE UP HERE TO MOVE US FORWARD.
SO WE HAVE THE I F C, WE DO HAVE THE I B C AGENDA ITEM THAT I THINK WE CAN CLEAR UP EVERYTHING FROM CHAPTER NINE AND CHAPTER 11, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME ITEMS FROM CHAPTER 33 THAT ARE STILL WHEN WE GET TO THOSE.
SO WE CAN, I WOULD MAKE THAT AS A DIFFERENT MOTION AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT I'LL PROBABLY, LET'S FINISH UP THE I F C ONE, MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND, AND JUST SAY THAT WE'RE CLEARING UP THOSE SECTIONS.
'CAUSE THOSE WERE ALL KEEPING AS WRITTEN IS WHAT WE SAID FOR THE I F C AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SAY FOR THE I B C.
SO REALLY THERE IS NO AMENDMENT OR RULE CHANGES.
IT'S REALLY JUST TO PROVE AS WRITTEN.
SO ON THE, ON THE STATED MOTION TO APPROVE THAT THIS SPREADSHEET AS AS, UH, AS CHANGES WERE NOTED, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, JUST, UH, SIMILAR TO THE I B C IF, UH, AFTER FURTHER REVIEW OF SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED, UH, WE CAN STILL BRING IT UP DURING THE COURTS OF A FUTURE MEETING.
UP, UP UNTIL WHEN THE FULL BOARD APPROVES IT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS? OKAY.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, WE GOOD CHIEF? CONGRATS.
I KNOW THAT WAS, UH, PROBABLY NOT, UH, A LOT OF FUN, BUT, UH, WE GOT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICK, SO THANK YOU.
WELL, I MEAN THAT WAS, THAT'S NOT EVERYTHING, RIGHT? THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT A, A LITTLE OVER A THIRD OF ALL THE ITEMS TOTAL, SO, AND WE TABLED SOME OF 'EM.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, JEREMY YOU'RE CRUSHING MY SPIRIT RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, SO WE DO, WE DO HAVE MORE, THIS IS UH, JUST A PARTIAL LIST AT THE TIME.
YEAH, WE STILL HAVE WONDERFUL
WELL THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR FEELING GOOD I GUESS.
NO, NO, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE GETTING TOO FAR AHEAD ON THIS ONE.
UM, OKAY, SO THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.
SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE I B C.
UM, JOSEPH, I THINK, I MEAN SINCE WE'RE DOING IT, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY JUST CLEAR IT UP TO ANY ITEMS THAT WERE LEFT TABLED IN THE I B C FOR CHAPTERS NINE AND CHAPTERS 11 WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A MOTION THAT WOULD CARRY AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT, CRYSTAL? THAT SUMS UP THOSE TWO ITEMS THAT WE HAVE.
THE TWO ITEMS THAT WE STILL HAVE LEFT, I'M SORRY FOR, SORRY, THOSE TWO CHAPTERS ARE WHAT WE HAD.
AND THEN WE HAVE CHAPTER 33 FOR THE FUTURE.
JEREMY, BEFORE WE LEAVE, UH, WE WILL HAVE,
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UH, WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING WITH THE I F C? WELL, WE WANNA FINISH THIS REAL FAST ON THE AGENDA, BUT THAT IS A DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, DON'T CLOSE UP.I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THERE'S SPECIFIC ITEMS ON I BBC THAT WE, THAT WE TABLED, WE HAD TABLE CORRECT.
ANY DISCUSSION WITH THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SINCE WE'VE COVERED THOSE HERE? DOES THAT, DO WE NEED, I MEAN I THINK WE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA MAKE AN ACTUAL MOTION THAT FOR THE I BBC WE'RE ACCEPTING THEM AS WRITTEN AS WELL.
DO WE NEED TO, OR IS IT, I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO NEED TO.
I MEAN IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT ISM YEAH, WE HAD ACTUALLY TABLED THEM TO REVIEW DURING, UM, DURING THIS MEETING OR, OR WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE DIDN'T EVEN GO INTO, UH, IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS DURING THE REVIEW OF THE I B C.
SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THEY WERE ALL DISCUSSED HERE AND ALL APPROVED TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A, ANOTHER MOTION.
THE CODES ARE IDENTICAL, UH, WITH THOSE SPECIFIC, WITH THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THOSE SECTIONS WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO THIS IS, I MEAN, THOMAS AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT CRYSTAL SAID, TECHNICALLY THE COMMITTEE WHEN THEY REVIEWED THE I B C, THEY, YOU VOTED TO TABLE THOSE ITEMS AND PUSH THEM TO THE I F C, THE FIRE COMMITTEE AND NOW THE FIRE COMMITTEE ALREADY REVIEWED IT AND WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS COMES OUT, THAT'S THE FINAL ONE.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE I B C? CORRECT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
SO I MEAN I'LL PROBABLY STILL HAVE THIS ONE ON THERE IN CASE SOMETHING DOES CHANGE AND WE NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, UH, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE CHAPTER 33, SO THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE TABLED.
'CAUSE I THINK THOSE WILL PROBABLY TAKE A, AN ACTUAL MOTION SO WE CAN MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS IN BOTH CHAPTER 10 AND CHAPTER 11.
BUT, UH, SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR OF OF I B C IS I WOULD SAY TABLED UNTIL NEXT TIME.
THERE'S NOTHING TO LOOK AT ON THAT ONE.
UM, CHAIRMAN, UH, JEREMY, I WAS LOOKING BACK THROUGH THE PREVIOUS, UH, SPREADSHEETS ON THE I B C IN CHAPTER 10.
WE HAD AMENDMENT 22, WHICH WAS 1509, WATER SUPPLY FOR FIRE PROTECTION.
IT SAYS DISCUSSED WITH SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO THAT ONE SHOULD BE COME UP WHEN WE GET TO CHAPTER 15 ON THE NEXT ONE, CORRECT? YEAH.
UM, SO NOW MOVING TO MR. HENLEY'S QUESTION ABOUT NEXT MEETING.
SO CURRENTLY WE ARE SCHEDULED, WE HAD THREE, UH, SCHEDULED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE IS, UH, TIED UP NEXT THURSDAY AND OUR, UH, ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT.
SO WE WILL HAVE TO CANCEL THAT ONE FOR THE I F C.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO TABLED LAST WEEK AS PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE REGISTRATION OF CONTRACTORS, THE LOOKING AT DOING A CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTORS.
WE HAVE THAT STAKEHOLDER MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY.
I THINK IT'D BE A QUICK TURNAROUND TO JUST COME BACK AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, TALKING WITH CHIEF MONER AND I THINK CHIEF FROST WILL PROBABLY AGREE.
WE PROBABLY STILL HAVE ABOUT TWO MEETINGS LEFT ON THE I F C.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE, SO WE HAVE ONE ALREADY SCHEDULED IN TWO WEEKS ON THE 19TH.
WE'LL HAVE TO SQUEEZE ANOTHER ONE IN, UH, FIND SOME TIME THAT WORKS WITH THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE WE WRAP UP THE FULL I CODES, UH, ADOPTION IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE WHETHER THEY WANT TO COME BACK NEXT WEEK AND, AND THE D S D DEPARTMENT COME AND DISCUSS REGISTRATION WITH CONTRACTORS OR STILL FIT THAT IN ON ONE OF THOSE OTHER TWO MEETINGS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO, THAT WE'LL SCHEDULE WITH A, DISCUSSING THE I F C.
SO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE IS WE WOULD CANCEL THE, THE MAY MAY? I THINK SO, YEAH.
I MEAN THE WHOLE GOAL IS WE WILL PRESENT WHAT STAKEHOLDERS KIND OF AGREED UPON AS LIKE, HERE'S A CODIFIED APPROACH TO THAT, YOU KNOW, PASSED IT OR NOT, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD TIME.
SO, SO NO MEETING NEXT WEEK IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING? CORRECT.
UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO GISA AND WE'VE REACHED OUT TO N UM, SORRY, THE MORE IT'S OUR RE MODEL YEAH.
SO THOSE ARE, AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANYBODY RECOMMENDATION IT, THAT STAKEHOLDER MEETING IS HERE AT OUR FACILITY AND OUR TRAINING ROOM BE ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 11TH AT 1:00 PM AND ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE, SO, OKAY.
YEAH, I SEND IT TO CHRISTY TO KINDA SEND OUT, BUT I WILL SEND IT TO Y'ALL UNTIL YES, SIR.
UM, WE START ENERGY CODE NEXT WEEK.
ON TUESDAY, CORRECT? TUESDAY NEXT WEEK.
I THINK THAT IS AN EIGHT 30 MEETING.
WE ARE DOING TACOS FOR MORNING.
THAT TOO, HUH? UM, SO THAT ONE WE WILL GET THAT CRYSTAL'S FINALIZED.
SHE WAS WORKING ON THAT, BUT WE WILL GET THOSE OUT HOPEFULLY TOMORROW, I THINK.
UH, BUT I THINK THE GOAL FOR THE ENERGY CODE, WE HAVE FIVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR THAT ONE.
UH, WE KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF ITEMS THAT CAME THROUGH WITH THE SOLAR READY, SOLAR AND EV READY THAT HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AFTER THE 2018.
I THINK THE GOAL IS REALLY TO, LET'S GET THROUGH THE 2021, ALL THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AND ANY ADOPTION AND AMENDMENTS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE
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ON THE 2021 AS A WHOLE AND GET THROUGH THAT AS THROUGH AS MANY, YOU KNOW, AS MEETINGS AS THAT TAKES, YOU KNOW, IF IT TAKES TWO, THREE MEETINGS, BUT THEN REALLY FOCUS ON THAT EV UH, SOLAR READY AND ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COME UP THROUGH THAT.UH, THEY'RE REALLY GONNA TAKE A LOT OF STAKEHOLDER DISCUSSION AND STUFF LIKE THAT, UH, ON THE BACKEND.
SO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE BOOK FIRST AND THEN FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE I F C CONTINUATION.
SO WE'LL CANCEL THE, THE 12TH AND I'LL GET THAT OFF YOUR CALENDAR.
UH, TOMORROW, TUESDAY MORNING, EIGHT 30 FOR ENERGY AND TOMORROW MORNING EIGHT 30 FOR SIGN CODE.
YEAH, THEY'RE ALL ON YOUR, IT SHOULD ALL BE ON YOUR CALENDARS.
IF YOU'RE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE ON THE ENERGY CODE OR NOT.
I, I'M HAVING TROUBLE NOW THAT I'VE ADDED THE SIGN CODE.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M BOUNCING AROUND.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, WHAT THE SIGN, UH, THAT IS JUST CHAPTER 28, 5 CHAPTER, WELL, JUST CHAPTER 28.
CHAPTER 35 WOULD BE U D C, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A BOOK, UH, FOR THAT.
THAT WOULD JUST BE, IT'S ON UNI CODE.
AND THAT ONE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DIFFERENT FORMAT WHERE WE ARE REALLY KIND OF HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM PER, UH, ITEM TO LOOK AT, UH, SIMILAR, WE'RE FOLLOWING MORE KIND OF WHAT THE U D C IS DOING AND THIS IS A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM FOR THAT.
WHETHER WE HAVE TO MAKE A VOTE OR JUST CONSENSUS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LET THE COMMITTEE DECIDE AND AS LONG AS IT'S LEGAL, BUT, UH, BUT IT'S NOT AS MANY.
WITH THE, WELL, THAT'D BE MORE THE EXECUTIVE WOULD BE MORE THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE NON APPOINTED MEMBERS.
UM, AND JUST REAL FAST, I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN UP THERE FOR A WHILE FOR ME.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE RECORDING ALL THESE.
UM, ALL THE UPDATED DRAFTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE BEING PUBLISHED ON THIS WEBSITE.
AND ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ANYTHING TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT CAN'T BE IN PERSON BUT WOULD LIKE TO BE READ ONTO THE RECORD TO EMAIL US AT THAT B RCA ABAB@SANANTONIO.GOV.
ANY, ANY NEW BUSINESS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
JEREMY, THAT'S ALL YOU HAD? THAT IS IT.