* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:35] GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING OF OCTOBER 11TH, 2018. COUNCIL MEMBER VINNO. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW. COUNCIL MEMBER VIE GRAND HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SALDANA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BROCK HOUSE COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LIA HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY HERE. AND MAYOR NURENBERG HERE. MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, A SESSION AGENDA. THE TIME IS 9:14 AM WE'LL BEGIN THIS MORNING, UH, WITH A GUEST OF, UH, GUEST INDICATOR FROM COUNCILMAN PERRY. SO I'LL ASK OUR COLLEAGUE TO, UM, GO AHEAD AND WELCOME OUR GUEST AS SUZIE GETS TO THE DICE. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE THIS MORNING. IT'S COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. SORRY FOR BEING A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT I WAS, UH, TALKING A LITTLE BIT BEFOREHAND HERE WITH, UH, REVEREND MASON AND, UH, FORGOT MY BOOK. SO, UH, I HAD TO RUN IN THE BACK AND GO GET MY BOOK. BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME, UH, REVEREND LISA MASON, THE RECTOR AT ST. DAVID'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND SCHOOL. UH, SHE'S GONNA SAY OUR INVOCATION THIS MORNING, AND SHE'S ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN DISTRICT 10. UH, LISA IS SERVED AT ST. DAVID'S SAN ANTONIO FOR NINE YEARS AND LOVES SERVING A CHURCH THAT HAS A SCHOOL AND IS SURROUNDED BY A DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR MINISTRY. SHE'S ACTIVE IN THE DIOCESE OF THE WEST TEXAS IN MANY CAPACITIES, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT, DISCERNMENT CAMPS, AND CONFERENCE MINISTRY AND EPISCOPAL SCHOOLS COMMISSION. SHE JUST COMPLETED A NINE YEAR TERM ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE SEMINARY OF THE SOUTHWEST IN AUSTIN, AND IS A FORMER CHAIR OF THE FINANCE AND INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, AND CURRENT CHAIR OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE. LISA IS MARRIED TO KIRK MASON, 33 YEARS, WHO IS A CANNON WHO IS CANNON TO THE ORDINARY OF THE DIOCESE OF WEST TEXAS. THEY HAVE TWO SONS, RAND 31 AND JOHN 28, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, RACHEL. LISA LOVES SPENDING TIME WITH FAMILY, FRIENDS AND BEING OUTDOORS, INCLUDING HIKING, RUNNING, SWIMMING, AND GARDENING. THANK YOU, REVEREND, FOR JOINING US TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE. BEFORE WE PRAY, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOU, FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. I WANNA THANK YOU FOR USING YOUR GIFTS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS GREAT AND GROWING CITY. I ALSO WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO BE VULNERABLE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SERVE THE PUBLIC, IT IS VULNERABLE BECAUSE YOUR VOICE MAKES A DIFFERENCE, AND THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE ARE VERY PUBLIC AND THEY AFFECT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. AND SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT SACRIFICE, BECAUSE IT IS A SACRIFICE IN YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DO SO. LET US PRAY. I'LL GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. THERE ARE TWO PRAYERS AND A BLESSING, SO DON'T LET THE FIRST AL MEN BE MISLEADING. TWO PRAYERS AND A BLESSING. LET US PRAY. ALMIGHTY GOD, OUR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE IN THIS CITY, ESPECIALLY ON THIS CITY COUNCIL IN THIS TIME AND IN THIS PLACE, SEND DOWN UPON THEM THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY AND JUSTICE. GIVE THEM LISTENING EARS AND HEARTS SO THAT THEY MAY HEAR THE VOICES OF THOSE THEY SERVE. GIVE THEM THE COURAGE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH AND LOVE AS THEY GO ABOUT THE WORK YOU GIVE THEM TO DO SO THAT WITH STEADFAST PURPOSE, THEY MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE IN THEIR OFFICES TO PROMOTE THE WELLBEING OF ALL PEOPLE TO THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN. LET US GIVE THANKS TO GOD OUR FATHER, FOR ALL HIS GIFTS SO FREELY BESTOWED UPON US FOR THE BEAUTY AND WONDER OF YOUR CREATION AND EARTH AND SKY AND SEA. FOR ALL THAT IS GRACIOUS IN THE LIVES OF MEN AND WOMEN, FOR OUR DAILY FOOD AND DRINK, OUR HOMES AND FAMILIES, AND OUR FRIENDS. WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR MINDS TO THINK AND HEARTS TO LOVE AND HANDS TO SERVE, AND FOR SETTING US AT TASK, WHICH DEMAND OUR BEST EFFORTS [00:05:01] AND FOR LEADING US TO ACCOMPLISHMENTS WHICH SATISFY AND DELIGHT US. WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR THOSE DISAPPOINTMENTS AND FAILURES THAT LEAD US TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR DEPENDENCE ON YOU. WE THANK YOU FOR HEALTH AND STRENGTH TO WORK AND LEISURE TO REST AND PLAY, AND FOR THE BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS WHO ARE PATIENT AND SUFFERING AND FAITHFUL IN ADVERSITY. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE VAL SEEKERS AFTER TRUTH, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE, AND FOR THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS. FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE GONE BEFORE US, SHINING THE LIGHT OF YOUR LOVE AND MERCY ON OUR PATHS IN ALL TIMES AND PLACES. GRANT US THE GIFT OF YOUR SPIRIT THAT WE MAY KNOW YOU AND MAKE YOU KNOWN AND THROUGH YOU AT ALL TIMES AND IN ALL PLACES, GIVE THANKS TO YOU IN ALL THINGS. AMEN. BE PRESENT TO TODAY. DO NOT LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TOMORROW. THE SAME GOD WHO CARESS FOR YOU TODAY WILL CARE FOR YOU TOMORROW. GOD WILL EITHER SHIELD YOU FROM SUFFERING OR YOU'LL BE GIVEN THE UNFAILING STRENGTH TO BEAR IT. BE AT PEACE THEN AND CAST ASIDE ALL ANXIOUS THOUGHTS AND IMAGINATIONS AND THE BLESSING OF GOD ALMIGHTY. FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT BE WITH YOU NOW AND REMAIN WITH YOU FOREVER. AMEN TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR THANK YOU PASTOR MASON. ALRIGHT, THIS TIME WE HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES INTERPRETERS. OKAY. UH, FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 12TH AND 13TH. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 12TH AND 13TH. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN SHAW FOR A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, TODAY IS A VERY BITTERSWEET DAY IN, UH, THE DISTRICT TWO OFFICE. UM, WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS, IS YOUNG, BUT SHE'S FULL OF ENERGY. SPUNKY A LITTLE ATTITUDE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, SHE GETS A JOB DONE AND SHE GETS THE JOB DONE TO A, UH, AN EXCELLENT CALIBER. AND I JUST WANNA RECOGNIZE OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, CELESTE BROWN, WHO HAS BEEN WITH US FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. UM, SHE HAS BEEN OFFERED A POSITION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND TODAY, I'M SORRY, KIPP. KIPP, I'M SORRY. WELL, THE SCHOOLS, UM, SHE HAS BEEN OFFERED A, A JOB AND WE HAD HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION. SO I WISH YOU BLESSINGS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE FOR DISTRICT TWO. YOU ARE STILL A DISTRICT TWO RESIDENT, SO I STILL HOPE THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED, BUT CONTINUE TO GO ON AND DO GREAT THINGS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHO YOU ARE. SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK, AND, AND, AND MAYOR AT THIS TIME, I MOVED TO, SHE CANNOT LEAVE SECOND . SORRY, COUNCILMAN, THAT WASN'T ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. UM, BUT CELESTE, ON BEHALF OF, UH, OUR RESIDENTS, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN DISTRICT TWO AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT'S BEEN FUN TO WATCH YOUR CAREER TAKE OFF AND, AND YOUR WORK AT THE NEW LEADERS COUNCIL AND SO FORTH. AND YOU'VE HAD A GREAT BOSS, GREAT MENTOR, UH, TO LEARN FROM, AND WE EXPECT TO SEE LOTS OF YOU, UH, IN THE FUTURE. SO GOOD LUCK TO YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'VE GOT, UH, NOW OUR, OUR BUSINESS PORTION OF THE AGENDA. I DO HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA, UH, AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. ITEMS NUMBER FOUR AND ITEMS NUMBER 19 HAVE BEEN PULLED, UH, FROM THE AGENDA WILL NOT BE HEARD. UH, I ALSO HAVE ITEM 15 AND 20 PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? YEAH, IT'S BEEN PULLED. OKAY. HEARING [00:10:01] NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. OH, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL, DO YOU HAVE A, I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE CELESTE ON HER NEW ROLE. . OH, I'M SORRY. IS CELESTE STILL HERE? . OKAY. COUNCILMAN GRO. UH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, ITEM NUMBER NINE THAT'S GOING TO STAY ON CONSENT. UM, THIS IS A CONNECTION FROM THE MISSION REACH TO STINSON AIRPORT. THIS IS VERY EXCITING. WE HAVE BEEN AWAITING FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THIS IS NOW GOING TO DIRECTLY CONNECT OUR, UM, MISSION REACH FOR, UH, WALKERS FOR CYCLISTS TO STINSON AIRPORT, OUR HISTORIC AIRPORT IN, UH, DISTRICT THREE. SO I WANNA THANK MY COLLEAGUES AND LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. OKAY. UM, IN SUMMARY, NOW I HAVE ITEMS NUMBER FOUR IN 19 HAVE BEEN PULLED FROM THE AGENDA WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UH, WE ALSO HAVE ITEMS FIVE, 15 AND 20, UH, PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. THE REMAINDER OF OUR AGENDA IS NOW, UM, IS NOW REMAINING ON CONSENT. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A, UH, ENTERTAIN, ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL NOW TAKE SPEAKERS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT. START WITH JACK FINGER. WELL, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR NURNBERG AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, WELL, I NEVER SAY THESE WORDS LIGHTLY, THE BEST CITY COUNCIL MONEY CAN BUY. OH, NO, NO, I GOT, YOU WILL FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YES. THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER, ACTUALLY A COUPLE ITEMS OF WISH TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION. YES. ITEM NUMBER 21, UH, ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A FIRST AMENDMENT OF THREE OF ON-CALL TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SERVICES WITH KIMBERLY HORN ASSOCIATES, PAID DAWSON CONSULTING AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA, FOR 250,000, $500,000 CONTRACTS HERE, ESSENTIALLY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. ENGINEERING CONTRACTS, CONTRACTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO JUST SAIL RIGHT ON THROUGH, EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, THE SHAREHOLDERS OF THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE GIVEN YOU CAMPAIGN FINANCE CONTRIBUTIONS. YEAH. CAMPAIGN FINANCE CONTRIBUTIONS, WAY OVER AND ABOVE ANYTHING LEVEL FOR LEVEL OF INFLUENCE. I, I'D SAY AT LEAST MAYBE A HUNDRED BUCKS, UH, PER, PER, UH, ELECTION CYCLE. BUT, YEAH, UH, I NOTICED THAT ON ITEM 21, LOOKING AT THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS. I NOTICED THAT, UH, ON THIS CONTRACT THAT Y'ALL ARE ABOUT TO APPROVE, THE SHAREHOLDERS GAVE NEARLY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, GAVE MR. NURNBERG, UH, $500. THEY, THEY GAVE MISERY A GRAND MIS V A GRAND. SHE'S BUSY TALKING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE RIGHT NOW. UH, MS. VIA GRANDE, UH, SHE GOT, WE DO NEED TO APPLAUD HER. SHE GOT THREE, $3,500 FROM THIS COMPANY. WOOHOO. YEAH. AND, AND, AND THE LADY SHE'S TALKING TO, UH, SHIRLEY GONZALEZ , THEY'RE BOTH, UH, CAN, YOU CAN'T GET THEM AWAY FROM EACH OTHER DOG. GOD MUST BE, WHAT'S SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT? 300 BUCKS. AND SHIRLEY GOT MR. CRUZ SHAW, YOU GOT THREE TWO A MERE 250, UH, MS. MR. PALAZ, YOU ONLY GOT ABOUT 500 AND RAY SYA. YOU GOT ABOUT, WELL, 500 AND, AND, UH, AND ROBERTO, MR. GREENER, YOU, YOU GOT 350. NOW, SEVERAL OF YOU DIDN'T GET A DARN THING, GREG, YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, ANNA, YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING, MR. CURTIS. YOU DIDN'T GET ANYTHING AND NEITHER DID, UH, MR. PERRY. WELL, AT LEAST I'LL LET YOU GUYS VOTE ON ITEM 21. BUT HOWEVER, DON'T FEEL BAD BECAUSE ON ITEM 11, NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GOT GOT, GOT MONEY. MY GUY PREVENTING A THOUSAND TO 500. THE ONLY GUY WHO DIDN'T GET ANYTHING WAS AGAIN, MR. BROADCAST. I GUESS THEY, THEY DON'T THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE WORTH ANYTHING, MR. I, I GUESS WELL, MAYBE WAIT, WAIT TILL YOU RUN FOR MAYOR OR SOMETHING. WHAT, WHAT THE HECK? BUT YES, I, IT'D BE FUN. I GUESS THESE COMPANIES, LOOK HOW DUMB THESE COMPANIES ARE THINKING THAT, UH, THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THIS CONTRACT IF Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT THING [00:15:01] AND ABSTAIN. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER . ALRIGHT, THAT'S EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEMS REMAINING ON CONSENT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT'S ALL ITEMS SAVED FOR 4 19, 5, 15, AND 20. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A SIX MONTH DOCKLESS VEHICLE PILOT PROGRAM, THE CREATION OF PERMIT AND APPLICATION FEES, AND AMENDING CITY CODE TO ALLOW RIDING AND PARKING DOCKLESS VEHICLES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, GOOD MORNING, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL. THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS CONSIDERATION TO, UH, ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AND AMEND EXISTING ORDINANCES IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT A PILOT PROGRAM, UM, FOR THE DOCKLESS VEHICLES, UM, THAT YOU CURRENTLY SEE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH IS TODAY IS SCOOTERS. UM, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE, UH, BIKES IN THE FUTURE. UM, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU. UM, AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UM, SCOOTERS, A LOT OF THEM IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN THEM IN OTHER PARTS, UM, OF TOWN, UM, APPEARING, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE U T S A, UH, AREA OUT IN THE NORTHWEST, UH, AREA OF SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UM, INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE 1700 BIRD SCOOTERS, UH, THAT ARE DEPLOYED 850 LIME SCOOTERS AND 453 BLUE DUCKS. WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED, UM, QUITE A BIT OF INTEREST FROM OTHER COMPANIES. UM, WE'VE MET WITH THEM, TALKED TO THEM, UH, RAZOR, U S A ZAGSTER SPIN AND SKIP, UH, ARE ALSO INTERESTED, UM, IN LAUNCHING THEIR, UH, SCOOTERS AS WELL HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS A SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM, AND REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ANALYZE AND STUDY, UH, OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS THE ACTIVITIES, THE, THE RIDERS, UM, THE RIDERSHIP, UM, REALLY TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT IS, UH, ON THE, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, OUR STREETS AND OUR CITIZENS. UM, AS PART OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM, IT WILL INCLUDE A $10 PER VEHICLE FEE WITH A VENDOR APPLICATION FEE OF $500. WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING AT THIS TIME ANY CAPS ON THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES OR THE NUMBER OF VENDORS. UM, WE THINK IT'S TOO EARLY. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA YET TO DETERMINE EXACTLY, UM, IF THERE WERE TO BE A CAP, UM, WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE. SO ANY NUMBER WE WOULD RECOMMEND WOULD BE VERY ARBITRARY. UH, WE'RE ALSO NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE LIMIT THEM, UM, GEOGRAPHICALLY, UM, TO THE CITY. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RIDE ANYWHERE, UM, IN THE CITY. UH, WE DO HAVE SPECIAL RULES ABOUT, UM, HOW YOU RIDE THEM AND WHERE YOU RIDE THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT, UM, TELLING THE COMPANIES THAT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE IN A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN. OOPS. UM, ALSO, WE'RE, UH, REQUIRING THAT THEY HAVE A SAN ANTONIO BASED FLEET MANAGER. SO THAT'S SOMEBODY LOCALLY THAT'S HERE IN, IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WE HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH, UM, TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES OR PROBLEMS, OR ALSO JUST TO, UH, GET INPUT FROM AND COMMUNICATE WITH. WE ALSO WILL, WILL BE REQUIRING SOME MONTHLY REPORTING, UM, ON USAGE VIOLATIONS AND TRIP DATA. AND WE'LL USE THAT DATA TO HELP INFORM US BETTER, UH, GOING FORWARD. UM, SO AT THE END OF THE SIX MONTHS PERIOD, UM, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS, UM, MAKE THINGS SIMPLER, EASIER, OR ADD ITEMS AS WELL. UM, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING THAT THE APP THAT IS USED, UM, WILL HAVE AN EDUCATION PIECE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING THIS, UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT CONTINUES. SO IT'LL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR RIDERS BEFORE THEY RIDE OR BEFORE THEY, UM, AS PART OF THE, UM, SIGNUP PROCESS, UM, FOCUSING ON RIDER SAFETY, UM, AREAS WHERE RIDING IS PROHIBITED. AND ALSO, UM, SAFE AND LAWFUL PARKING AS WELL. UH, INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATION IS A REQUIREMENT THAT RIDERS BE 16 YEARS OR OLDER. UM, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING THAT, UM, IT IS PROHIBITED TO RIDE SCOOTERS ON STREETS WITH A SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES PER HOUR OR MORE. SO WE'RE LIMITING IT TO THOSE LOCAL STREETS AND COLLECTORS. UM, IF YOU'RE RIDING ON A THOROUGHFARE, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE THE SIDEWALK OR A BIKE LANE, UH, IF IT'S AVAILABLE, WE'RE ALSO, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, WIND BIKE LANES ARE AVAILABLE, THAT THAT'S THE PROPER PLACE TO USE A SCOOTER. UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, WE ARE CONTINUING TO PROHIBIT MOTORIZED VEHICLES IN OUR PARKS. AND ON OUR TRAILWAYS, UH, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL BE, UM, IN THE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS WORKING ON A, UM, A MORE ROBUST COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF HOW THE TRAILS ARE USED, UM, TO AVOID, UM, [00:20:01] CONFLICT BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, UH, AND POTENTIALLY, UM, MOTORIZED VEHICLES AS WELL. WE'RE REQUIRING THAT, UM, RIDERS, EXCUSE ME, YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS. AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP A TWO FOOT, UH, DISTANCE BETWEEN, UM, BETWEEN RIDERS AND PEDESTRIANS FOR SAFETY. UM, AGAIN, YIELDING TO PEDESTRIANS, UH, ON THE SIDEWALKS. UH, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING THAT THEY HAVE A LIGHT ON THE FRONT AND A RED LIGHT ON THE BACK, WHICH THEY CURRENTLY ALL HAVE. UM, AND ALSO THAT THEY HAVE A BELL, UH, OR A HORN OR OTHER, SOME OTHER, UM, UM, MECHANISM TO MAKE SOUND, WHICH THEY ALSO, UM, CURRENTLY HAVE BELLS AS WELL, AS FAR AS PARKING IS CONCERNED. UM, WE'RE FOCUSING ON, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WHEN THE SCOOTERS ARE DEPLOYED, THAT THEY'RE DONE IN AN ORDERLY AND UPRIGHT, UM, MANNER, UM, TO AVOID CONFLICTS, UH, WHERE, UM, PEDESTRIANS HAVE A CLEAR PATHWAY. UM, ALSO, UM, WHEN, UH, RIDERS ARE PARKING THEM, THAT'S PART OF THE EDUCATION PIECE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING PARKED, UH, PROPERLY. WE'RE REQUIRING A THREE FOOT CLEARANCE FOR PEDESTRIANS ON SIDEWALKS. THIS IS IN LINE WITH A D A REQUIREMENTS. UM, THIS WOULD BE THREE FEET FROM, UM, SAY, STREET FURNITURE LIKE BENCHES OR TRASH CANS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEDESTRIANS HAVE A CLEAR, UM, PATHWAY TO WALK ON THE SIDEWALKS. UM, WE WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE PARKED IN BIKE RACKS. UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DOCK THEM IN SWELL CYCLE STATIONS, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD DISCOURAGE A B CYCLE OR A SWELL CYCLE RIDER FROM, FROM PARKING THERE. SO WE ARE MAKING THAT A REQUIREMENT AS WELL, THAT THEY CAN BE PARKED, UH, IN A SWELL CYCLE STATION. UM, AND THEN, UM, ALSO PROHIBITING, UM, PARKING IN, IN CITY PARKS EXCEPT FOR IN DESIGNATED AREAS. UH, AND, AND REALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE PARKING THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE PLAYGROUND. UM, IN A PARK, UM, THE SIDEWALKS THAT SURROUND A PARK OR INTERSECT A PARK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE PLACES, UM, TO PARK SCOOTERS. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, UM, SCOOTERS PARKING IN CONFLICT WITH, UM, HOW PEOPLE ARE USING THE PARK, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE IT CREATES A HAZARD. UM, WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, HERE, PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT HAVE CON THEY, THEY LIKE THE SCOOTERS. THEY LIKE THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THE SCOOTERS TO GET TO THEIR BUSINESS. UM, BUT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SCOOTERS CREATING CONGESTION IN THEIR, UM, ENTRYWAYS. AND SO WE ARE REQUIRING THAT THEY BE PARKED NO CLOSER THAN EIGHT FEET, UM, OF THE ENTRANCE OF A BUILDING. UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH SCOOTERS, PARKING AND LOADING ZONES, PARTICULARLY PASSENGER LOADING ZONES. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER WHERE A LOT OF THE, UH, CHARTER BUSES ARE PICKING UP CONVENTIONEERS, UM, AND DROPPING THEM OFF. UM, WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THEY NOT PARK THE SCOOTERS IN THOSE AREAS WHERE PASSENGERS ARE DISEMBARKING OR EMBARKING INTO BUSES. UM, AND THEN, UH, ALSO, UH, NO PARKING WITHIN FOUR FEET OF STREET FURNITURE. UM, WE'VE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S TOO MANY SCOOTERS AROUND, FOR EXAMPLE, A BENCH OR A BUS POLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IT TENDS TO CREATE CONGESTION. UM, AND THEN ALSO VERY IMPORTANTLY IS TO NOT BLOCK CURB RAMPS OR ENTRYWAYS OR DRIVEWAYS. THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT, UH, FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES THAT ARE USING THOSE CURB RAMPS TO CROSS, UH, INTERSECTIONS. UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, WORKING CLOSELY WITH VIA, UM, TO COME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT WILL ADDRESS, UH, BUS STOPS IN PARTICULAR, WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE CONGREGATING WAITING FOR THE BUS. UM, AND THEN PARTICULARLY BUSES, UM, WHEN THERE'S A PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR AND THE RAMP HAS TO DEPLOY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT AREA IS CLEAR. UM, SO THOSE PEOPLE CAN GET ON AND OFF THE BUSES, UM, EASY. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING A 15 FOOT, UM, FOR SIMPLE PURPOSES, CALL IT A BOX. UM, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE AREA IN, IN PINK THERE THAT, UH, PROTECTS THAT AREA AROUND THE BUS STOP. UH, AS FAR AS COMPLIANCE, WE ARE REQUIRING THAT THE, UM, THE VENDORS, UM, WILL HAVE TWO HOURS TO CORRECT VIOLATIONS. SO THIS IS IN THE EVENT THAT, UM, THEY ARE NOTIFIED THAT THERE'S A PARKING VIOLATION. THEY WILL HAVE TWO HOURS TO CORRECT THAT VIOLATION. UM, IF THE SCOOTERS ARE PARKED IN A PROHIBITED AREA, UM, A PROHIBITED AREA WOULD BE, UM, AROUND THE BUS STOP OR IN ONE OF THE, THE PLAZAS, UM, DOWNTOWN, UM, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ONE HOUR TO CORRECT THAT VIOLATION. UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN THOUGH, IS THAT, UM, TYPICALLY A LOT OF THESE ARE SELF-CORRECTED. UM, THE SCOOTER MAY BE IN VIOLATION FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, BEFORE SOMEBODY RINSE IT AGAIN. UM, SO, SO FAR WE'VE SEEN THAT, UM, UM, WITHIN THAT TIME TIMEFRAME, THE SCOOTERS ARE, ARE TYPICALLY BEING, UM, USED AGAIN OR, UM, IF IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, UM, UM, CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, PARKING ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS, UH, CENTRO HAS BEEN ASSISTING US WITH WHAT I WOULD TERM AS CORRECTING SCOOTERS. SO WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT IMPOUNDING THEM, WE'RE NOT COLLECTING THEM. WE'RE JUST MOVING THEM, UH, TO A MORE APPROPRIATE [00:25:01] LOCATION. AND USUALLY THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF FEET. UM, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO STUDY THAT THROUGH THIS SIX MONTH PERIOD. UH, WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, THAT IF SCOOTERS ARE REPORTED AS BROKEN OR INOPERABLE, UM, THAT THEY BE REMOVED WITHIN TWO HOURS. AND THAT'S TO PROTECT, UM, POTENTIAL RIDERS IN THE EVENT THAT MAYBE THE, THE BRAKE CABLE IS, IS BROKEN OR CUT THAT SOMEONE'S NOT USING THAT SCOOTER. UM, SO WE WANNA GET THOSE SCOOTERS OFF THE STREET BACK INTO THE HANDS OF THE VENDOR SO THEY CAN MAKE THOSE REPAIRS AND GET 'EM BACK OUT ON THE, ON THE STREET. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT ON THE SCOOTERS THEMSELVES. UH, THAT WILL BE A, A BRANDING, SO YOU KNOW WHO THAT SCOOTER BELONGS TO. UM, THERE WILL ALSO BE A, A 24 HOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE PHONE NUMBER POSTED ON THAT SCOOTER. SO AN INDIVIDUAL CAN CALL AND REPORT EITHER A VIOLATION OR REPORT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MAY BE THE SCOOTER'S INOPERABLE, UM, OR NOT WORKING DURING THE SIX MONTH, UH, PILOT PROGRAM. UM, I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER. WE'LL, WE'LL BE DOING A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION, A LOT OF, UM, CONSULTATION WITH VARIOUS ENTITIES, THE, THE VENDORS THEMSELVES, UH, TO REALLY LOOK AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW LONG IS IT TAKING US TO DO, UH, ENFORCEMENT? HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE SPENDING, UM, CORRECTING, UM, VIOLATIONS. WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH CENTRO, THEIR AMBASSADORS ARE ASSISTING WITH THIS AS WELL, UM, TO REALLY START COLLECTING THAT DATA TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME, HOW MUCH STAFF TIME, UH, WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES REQUIRED ON OUR PART, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE DONE, UM, IN AN ORDERLY WAY. UH, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS, UH, 3 1 1 CALLS, UM, PRIMARILY CENTERED AROUND ACCIDENTS, LOOKING AT ACCIDENT REPORTS, UM, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, WE'LL BE COLLECTING THE DATA THAT'S PROVIDED BY THE SCOOTER COMPANIES SO WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, HOW OFTEN PEOPLE ARE USING THEM, WHERE ARE THEY USING THEM, HOW ARE THEY USING 'EM, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW ON, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW LONG IS AN AVERAGE TRIP. UM, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE'LL BE CONTINUING TO MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS, UH, THE VENDORS, THE RIDERS, UM, OUR PARTNERS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY VIA CENTRO. UM, WE'VE MET WITH THE UNIVERSITIES HERE IN TOWN, UM, REALLY TO TOGETHER EVERYONE'S INPUT. SO IN SIX MONTHS, UM, WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA, UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, HOW IT'S WORKING, AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. WE'RE ALSO FOCUSING, UM, A LARGE AMOUNT OF, OF, OF TIME AND, AND RESOURCES ON WRITER EDUCATION. WE THINK THIS IS REALLY KEY, UH, TO MAKING THIS WORK. UM, WE DO HAVE REGULATIONS AS I'VE GONE OVER, UM, UH, IN, IN, IN ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE REALLY THINK EDUCATION IS THE KEY HERE. UM, AS PEOPLE GET MORE AND MORE ACCUSTOMED TO THE SCOOTERS, WE THINK THAT WILL IMPROVE OVER TIME. WE'RE GONNA FOCUS OUR MARKETING EFFORTS AS WELL AS WORKING WITH THE VENDORS TO DO THIS. UM, YOU'D, UH, RECENTLY, UM, I'M HEARD WE HAVE DIGITAL KIOSKS THAT ARE COMING TO THE CITY. UM, WHEN THOSE DIGITAL KIOSKS ARE, UM, PUT UP, UM, ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS YOU WILL SEE ON THOSE IS A, UM, A SAMPLE UP HERE THAT, THAT WILL BE A KIND OF HOW TO RIDE SAFE, WHAT'S THE SAFEST WAY TO RIDE. SO THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, WE'VE ALREADY, UM, THE PICTURE UP ON THE UPPER RIGHT THERE, A COUPLE OF FRIDAYS AGO, WE HAD A EVENT DOWNTOWN, ONE OF OUR, UM, ONE OF OUR, UM, LUNCHEONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE STREET, UM, WITH FOOD TRUCKS. WE HAD, UM, BIRD WAS THERE AND LIME WAS THERE HANDING OUT HELMETS, UM, EDUCATING PEOPLE. UM, THEY ACTUALLY, BETWEEN LYMAN BIRD, THEY, UM, THEY GAVE AWAY MORE THAN 200 FREE, UH, HELMETS TO, UH, PEOPLE THAT WERE INTERESTED. SO IT WAS VERY POPULAR. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, AT OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMMING EVENTS. UM, WE'LL HAVE IT, UH, WE'LL INVITE THE, THE VENDORS TO BE THERE TO, UH, ANSWER QUESTIONS, UH, LET PEOPLE, UM, RIDE THE SCOOTERS, UM, AND REALLY EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO USE THEM. WE'VE ALREADY PREPARED SOME MARKETING MATERIALS, UM, THAT WE'RE, UM, SENDING OUT IN VARIOUS DIFFERENT WAYS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ON OUR WEBSITE, UM, AND WE'LL BE HANDING THOSE OUT IN, IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT TOWN, REALLY TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON, ON WHAT, HOW TO RIDE THEM PROPERLY, HOW TO PARK THEM PROPERLY. UH, THINGS THAT I THINK THAT YOU MAY SEE, UM, AS PART OF THIS, AS PART OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM, WHEN WE COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED, TALKED ABOUT, UM, AND THIS MAY HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF SIX MONTHS, IS AREAS WHERE WE, UM, ARE POPULAR DESTINATIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT USE SCOOTERS, UM, OR THAT ARE SENSITIVE AREAS. FOR EXAMPLE, MAIN PLAZA. UM, WE MAY ACTUALLY PUT UP SOME SIGNAGE, UH, INDICATING WHERE THE PROPER PLACE TO PARK IS. UM, IT COMES BACK, I THINK, TO THAT EDUCATION PIECE, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING IT EASY FOR, UH, INDIVIDUALS TO, UM, FOLLOW THESE RULES. UM, SO AREAS WHERE WE ARE SENSITIVE, AREAS WHERE WE, UM, THINK WE MAY NEED THAT, WE MAY INSTALL SOME SIGNAGE. UM, SOME CITIES ARE USING, UM, KIND OF CHALK PAINT ON [00:30:01] SIDEWALKS. UM, WE'LL PUT LIKE A, A BRAND OR AN EMBLEM ON THE SIDEWALK, SO IT'S NOT PERMANENT, UM, JUST TO TEST IT AND SEE IF IT WORKS. SO IDEAS LIKE THAT. UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT VERY CLOSELY AND THE, THE, UH, VENDORS HAVE BEEN VERY, UM, COOPERATIVE IN THIS AREA IS, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, TECHNOLOGY TO HELP, UM, HELP RIDERS, UM, COMPLY. AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE, UH, FORM OF GEOFENCING, UH, IN THIS APPLICATION. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UM, REALLY TWO AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, FOR PARKING AND RIDING. UM, SO FOR PARKING, UH, USING THE G P S TECHNOLOGY IN THE APP, UM, WE COULD RESTRICT CERTAIN AREAS FROM PARKING, UM, WHERE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO END YOUR RIDE. UM, THE, THE APP REQUIRES YOU TO CLOSE OUT YOUR RIDE OR ELSE IT'LL KEEP CHARGING YOU. UM, SO BY USING THIS TECHNOLOGY, WE COULD, UM, WE COULD MAKE IT, UM, TO WHERE YOU COULD NOT END YOUR RIDE OR END YOUR SESSION IN A CERTAIN AREA. UM, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF AREAS, UM, THAT WE THINK ARE VERY SENSITIVE, AND WE, AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT THERE MAY BE AN ACCUMULATION OVER TIME OF SCOOTERS. UM, AND THEN ALSO IN THE FORM OF RIDING, UM, THIS IS KIND OF A, A, A SECOND AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT. UM, IT WOULD BE, UH, ACTUALLY THE, THE, THE APP WOULD ACTUALLY SLOW THE SCOOTER DOWN. SO IF YOU'RE IN AN AREA YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RIDING, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE ON THE, THE LOOP OF THE RIVERWALK, UH, DOWNTOWN, UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S PROHIBITED FROM RIDING. UM, YOU, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, SLOW THE SCOOTER DOWN. UM, WE WANNA MAKE IT, UM, SO IT'S SAFE FOR THE RIDER, SO WHEN THEY ENTER THIS AREA, IT DOESN'T SUDDENLY JUST STOP AND CAUSES AN ACCIDENT. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. BUT ALL OF THE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE AND, AND, UM, TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS. AND SO WE THINK THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK. AND THAT CONCLUDES, UH, MY PRESENTATION. UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP ANSWER. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. JOHN. WE HAVE SEVERAL CITIZENS SIGNED UP. ACTUALLY, NO CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. UM, I DON'T HAVE THAT ON MY OH, OKAY. JACK FIGURE. WELL, MAYOR NURNBERG, ANOTHER MEMBERS OF OUR CITY COUNCIL, AND MRS. VILLA GRAND AND MS. GONZALEZ. YES. I HOPE YOU HAD A VERY PLEASANT CONVERSATION EARLIER THERE. YES. PLEASE UNDERSTAND. WHEN, WHEN YOU OFFER SUCH BEHAVIOR TOWARDS CITIZENS WHO CAME BY ON THEIR OWN DIME TO, TO TESTIFY HERE TODAY, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S CALLED SILLY COUNCIL, NOT CITY COUNCIL. YES. ANYWAY, SCOOTERS, GREAT IDEA. APPARENTLY, UH, THE IDEA, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE MAIN IDEA FOR Y'ALL WANTING TO INCORPORATE SCOOTERS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AT LEAST UPON THE DOWNTOWN PUBLIC SIDEWALKS? WELL, I GUESS BASICALLY TO GET PEOPLE OUTTA THEIR CARS. WELL, MAYBE, UH, DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU PUT 'EM ON. AND, AND ALSO TO REDUCE AND CONSEQUENTLY TO REDUCE AIR POLLUTION. OKAY. WELL, THAT, THAT'S LAUDABLE IDEA. BUT, BUT, UH, JUST LIKE YOUR IDEA TO WANTING PEOPLE TO RIDE BIKES MORE, AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I I ENJOY HAVING BICYCLISTS AROUND, BUT WHEN YOU GUYS GIVE MORE RIGHTS TO BICYCLISTS AND SCOOTERS THAN YOU GIVE TO US, THE MOTORISTS, THEN I START HAVING PROBLEMS. MS. SANDOVAL? YES. STILL ON HER PHONE THERE? UH, YES. UH, THE AGE LIMIT, 16 YEARS ON UP. OKAY. WHAT IF A 15 YEAR OLD STARTS ZIPPING AROUND AT 35 MILES AN HOUR ON, ON THE STREET? WHO IS GOING TO STOP HIM? HMM. UH, IF HE START, IF HE GOES TO A RED LIGHT LIKE BICYCLISTS DO SO MUCH OF THE TIME, WHO IS GOING TO TICKET HIM? HMM. IS ANYBODY GONNA REQUIRE HIM TO HAVE INSURANCE IN THE EFFECT EVENT THAT HE BUMPS INTO A SOME VEHICLE OR INJURE SOME VEHICLE, SOME PERSON PEDESTRIAN ALONG THE, ALONG THE SIDEWALK, AS HAS BEEN NI SO MANY NEAR MISSES IN THE PAST HERE. HUH? I DON'T SEE THAT. DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE. AND THE RULES HERE. YEAH. UM, RIDER'S, DRIVER'S LICENSES AND RIDER'S LICENSES DON'T SEE THAT EITHER. YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD, UH, [00:35:01] ONE SUGGESTION TO REDUCE A LOT OF THE, THE MISHAP NEAR MESS MISHAPS AND NEAR MISHAPS THAT YOU HAVE WITH THESE THINGS, SINCE YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THIS THING AS FAR AS THE SPEED LIMIT ON THESE, THESE, THESE PERSONS WHO USE IT, INSTEAD OF GIVING 'EM A MAXIMUM OF 35, GIVING A MAXIMUM OF FIVE MILES AN HOUR, WHO NEEDS TO RIDE FASTER THAN 35 MILES THAN FIVE MILES AN HOUR ON A SIDEWALK? HUH? NOT 35. THANK YOU, MR. FINGER. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN GRO. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. UM, ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS IN THE PRESENTATION. SO IF WE SEE PARKING VIOLATIONS TO CALL 3 1 1 OR ANY PEOPLE, UH, JUST ESPECIALLY DURING THE SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM, CORRECT? WELL, WHAT WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DO IS ACTUALLY CONTACT THE SCOOTER COMPANY FIRST. THAT'LL BE THE FASTEST WAY TO GET SOMETHING CORRECTED. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUIRING THAT NUMBER TO BE ON THE SCOOTER. BUT, BUT SURE, PEOPLE CAN ALSO CALL 3 1 1 AND REPORT, UM, UM, VIOLATIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, AS WELL AS OUR OFFICES TOO. BUT REALLY WE WANT TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE VENDOR AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, UM, THAT WAY THEY CAN GO OUT AND, AND CORRECT THOSE VIOLATIONS. RIGHT. I THINK, UM, THE ONLY REASON I WANTED TO SAY THAT IS BECAUSE IN IN DISTRICT THREE, EVEN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF SAN ANTONIO, WE'RE SEEING THEM ALL OVER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, THE RESIDENTS ARE SEEING THEM AS THEY DRIVE BY, AND SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY STOPPING AND TO SEE THE NUMBER, RIGHT. YEAH. GETTING THE NUMBER, ET CETERA. SO, UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN SHARING IS JUST THAT IF THEY SEE IT, THAT THEY CALL 3 1 1, UM, BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE THEM IF THEY ARE BLOCKING A SIDEWALK AND PEOPLE CAN'T GO THROUGH THEIR RESIDENTS, PEOPLE CAN MOVE THE SCOOTERS OUT OF THE WAY. IS THAT CORRECT? SURE. YES. OKAY. YES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN GRO. COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND, UM, I JUST, I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS, UH, REGARDING THE, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK. UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, COULD YOU BRING UP THAT SLIDE? UM, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE IT WAS, BUT, UH, THERE WAS A CIRCLES WITH SOME VISUALS TOWARDS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. THAT ONE. YES. SO THIS ONE REGARDING PROGRAM ASSESSMENT AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT, VENDORS, RIDERS, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS. SO IF PEOPLE WANNA PUT A VIOLATION, THEY WOULD CALL A THREE ONE ONE THERE. THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS. UM, THEY COULD CALL 3 1 1. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO, IF THEY SEE A PARKING VIOLATION, TO CALL THE SCOOTER COMPANY DIRECTLY AND REPORT THAT, THAT A SCOOTER IS PARKED, UH, IN VIOLATION. AND HOW WOULD THEY KNOW WHERE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM AN APP OR ON THE VEHICLE? WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THE SCOOTERS, UM, HAVE, UH, MULTIPLE THINGS ON THEM, SO IT'S EASY TO IDENTIFY ONE, UM, WHO THE SCOOTER BELONGS TO. SO WE'RE REQUIRING THAT THE COMPANY BRAND THE SCOOTER, SO IT'LL, IT'LL CURRENTLY, THEY'LL SAY BIRD ON THEM, THEY SAY LIME ON THEM, OR, OR BLUE DUCK. SO THE NAME OF THE COMPANY IS, IS CLEARLY VISIBLE ON THE SCOOTER. UM, IT WILL ALSO HAVE A, EVERY SCOOTER WILL HAVE A UNIQUE IDENTIFYING NUMBER, UM, AND THEN THERE'LL BE A, A 24 HOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE NUMBER, UM, THAT A PERSON CAN CALL AND REPORT, UM, EITHER A VIOLATION, A PARKING VIOLATION, FOR EXAMPLE, OR MAYBE THAT THE SCOOTER'S INOPERABLE. UM, SO THERE'S, UM, COULD BE A NUMBER OF REASONS WHY THEY WOULD NEED TO CALL THEM. BUT, UM, REALLY TO US, THAT'S THE FASTEST WAY TO GET A CORRECTION IS TO NOTIFY THE COMPANY. UM, AND, AND PART OF THAT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE, THE COMPANY, UM, HAS TWO HOURS TO CORRECT THAT VIOLATION AS WELL. UM, IF THAT, IF, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T KNOW, UM, SAY COUNCILWOMAN GRA MENTIONED THAT IF SOMEONE'S DRIVING BY AND JUST SEES IT AND THEY DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, THEY CAN ALWAYS CALL 3 1 1 AS WELL. UM, OR THEY CAN DIRECTLY CALL, UM, CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE. UH, IT'S REALLY A TEAM EFFORT. UM, IT COULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT, IF IT'S IN A CITY PARK, IT MIGHT BE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. OKAY. WELL, I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF NOTIFICATION, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ONE SOURCE FOR PEOPLE TO GO. UH, BUT, BUT MY QUESTION WAS NOT NECESSARILY REGARDING VIOLATIONS, BUT REGARDING INPUT. SO, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE THESE SCOOTERS AND TO SEE PEOPLE, SO MANY PEOPLE USING THEM, UM, IS IT ADVANCES, UH, OF COURSE OUR, UH, BIKE ADVOCACY PLAN. SO THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING BIKE LANES, WHICH THE CYCLING COMMUNITY FOR MANY TIMES HAS HAD THIS CONFLICT OF TRYING TO GET MORE ACCESS ON OUR ROADWAYS, NOW THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, WE HAVE MORE SUPPORT. SO WHAT IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT SAY, HEY, I USE [00:40:01] THIS ROAD EVERY DAY TO, TO TRAVEL ALONG. UH, CAN WE GET DEDICATED MULTI-USE LANES ON THIS STREET? IT, DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE INPUT SESSIONS? UH, OR COULD THEY REGULARLY GIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE USING THEM MOST? RIGHT. AND SO PART OF OUR, I THINK PART OF OUR MARKETING AND EDUCATION, UM, PLAN WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UH, VARIOUS DIFFERENT, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR STAKEHOLDERS TO PROVIDE INPUT. UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST A, SAY IN A FORMAL, UM, PUBLIC COMMUNITY MEETING. UM, I THINK, UM, WE'LL HAVE A, A DEDICATED WEBSITE, SOCIAL MEDIA. WE HAD A VERY, I THINK, SUCCESSFUL SURVEY. WE HAD OVER 4,000 PEOPLE TAKE THE SURVEY, UM, LEADING UP TO, TO THE COUNCIL TODAY. UM, SO WE'LL CONTINUE, UM, TO DO SURVEYS, UM, AND GO OUT AND MEET WITH, WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE. UM, I REALLY, I KIND OF FAILED TO MENTION THE AMOUNT OF STAKEHOLDERS WE HAD LEADING UP TO THIS. UM, WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY AND HAD, UM, NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH, UM, VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS. TECH BLOCK HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. UM, WE'VE MET WITH THEM MANY, MANY TIMES TO, TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, GET THEIR IDEA. THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS DOING, AND THEN COMMUNICATING WITH, UH, THE DIFFERENT, UM, COMPANIES. UM, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CENTRO, WE'VE MET WITH VIA, UM, THE UNIVERSITIES. ANYBODY THAT IS IMPACTED, UM, WE HAVE MET WITH, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH, UM, TO REALLY TO COLLECT THIS DATA, THIS INFORMATION DURING THIS SIX MONTH PERIOD. UM, ONE OF THE, IS THERE, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND. IS THERE A, A PORTAL OR AN APP OR WHATEVER THAT SHOWS WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING THEM THAT'S LIVE? SO I'M, I'M THINKING OF STRAVA, THAT'S CYCLISTS USE TO UPDATE THEIR'S, THEIR CYCLING RIGHT. ROUTES, AND, UH, THERE'S LITTLE COMPETITIONS THERE ABOUT VARIETY OF THINGS. DO WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THIS? NOT, NOT YET, BUT WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING IS THAT ON A EVERY MONTH, THE DIFFERENT COMPANIES WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE US THE DATA OF THEIR RIDERSHIP. SO THAT WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE PEOPLE ARE RIDING BECAUSE IT IS A G P S BASED, UM, VEHICLE, THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE WHERE, WHERE RIDES ARE GOING, WHERE THEY'RE UNLOCKING THEM, AND THEN WHERE THEY'RE LOCKING 'EM. SO WE CAN SEE, UM, IF THERE'S A PARTICULARLY, UM, AN AREA OF TOWN WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF, OF RIDERSHIP, UM, THAT CAN HELP, UM, T C I AND THEIR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL BE AN AREA THAT WE NEED TO ADD BIKE LANES OR MAYBE WE NEED TO IMPROVE SIDEWALKS IN THIS AREA. THAT'S THE KIND OF DATA, UM, THAT, THAT WE THINK WILL BE USEFUL, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. UM, AND THEN ALSO, HOW LONG ARE THE RIDES? UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE UM, KIND OF ASKED OURSELVES IS, IS THIS, UH, IS THIS REPLACING PEOPLE WALKING OR IS THIS REPLACING PEOPLE DRIVING THEIR CAR IN, IN OTHER WORDS, HOW LONG IS THE AVERAGE TRIP? UM, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR US TO, TO KNOW. UM, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE TRIP DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT DRIVING THERE. I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A TRIP THAT'S WALKING RIGHT, A FEW MINUTES, YOU KNOW, YOU PEOPLE OFTEN WILL STILL GET IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVE. I MEAN, I, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE, THAT LIVE, UH, IN JUST EVEN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND STILL DRIVE TO CITY HALL. RIGHT. BUT WE KNOW, I THINK WE'LL KNOW THAT IF THE TRIPS ARE LONGER, UM, WE, WE'LL KNOW THAT PROBABLY THEY, THAT ON THE AVERAGE PERSON PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE WALKED, THEY PROBABLY WOULD'VE DRIVEN. UM, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF DATA THAT WE WANT TO COLLECT. WE'LL GIVE THAT TO ART REINHARDT AND HIS TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS TO ANALYZE, UM, AND THAT WILL HELP THEM, UM, IN THE FUTURE DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE PEOPLE'S TRENDS? WHAT ARE THEY DOING? UM, THAT WAY THEY, IF THEY HAVE A, AS PART OF THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THEY KNOW, HEY, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE RIDING SCOOTERS DOWN THIS STREET. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO, TO ASSIST THAT. AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH CYCLISTS AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WOULD WALK OR DRIVE OR GIVEN NO, NO, I DON'T. YEAH. RIGHT. SO, AND THE, THE DATA WILL SHOW THAT PEOPLE ARE USING IT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A FALSE ASSUMPTION TO SAY, BECAUSE THE RIDE WAS LONGER, THAT THAT TRIP WOULD'VE BEEN DONE BY AUTOMOBILE, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY, INCLUDING SURE. RIGHT. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CAR, SO THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. UH, BUT TO USE AN ALTERNATIVE FORM AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THAT, SO ANYWAY, I THINK YOU GET MY POINT THAT WE ARE, ARE NOT, UM, MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WOULD CHOOSE TO DRIVE THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE, RIGHT? NO, I, NO, AND I, I'M SORRY IF I, I CAME THAT WAY. WHAT I MEANT WAS, IS THAT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SIX MONTHS OF DATA THAT ART AND HIS TEAM CAN USE TO ANALYZE, UM, AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT GOING FORWARD, UM, WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO ADJUST THIS PROGRAM. UM, OR THEY CAN USE THAT INFORMATION TOO TO HELP THEM, UM, IN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING EFFORTS. SURE. OKAY. I HOPE SO. I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO, [00:45:01] UH, OR AT LEAST I SHOULD SAY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO USING THE INFORMATION MUCH MORE FOR ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION USES AND HOW TO DESIGN A MORE WALKABLE, COMPACT, SUSTAINABLE CITY. UH, SO, UM, I, THAT I HOPE, UH, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT INFORMATION, UH, AS IT GOES. AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY EXCITING TIME, UH, SURE. FOR US HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION. UM, AND IT WOULD JUST BE NICE TO HAVE IT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LIVE. RIGHT. UM, AND SO I'M SURE THAT IN VERY SHORT ORDER, THAT ALTERNATIVE WILL BE AVAILABLE, UM, TO SEE PERHAPS JUST LIKE WITH CYCLISTS, WHAT IS THE SAFEST ROUTE? UM, WHAT IS THE FASTEST ROUTE TO GET FROM HERE TO THERE IF YOU'RE GONNA BE WITHIN A MILE RADIUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO, RIGHT. UM, WE'LL, AND, AND ALSO, I, I FAILED TO, TO MENTION THAT I, OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO COME, COME BACK TO THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE BEFORE THE SIX MONTHS IS, IS UP TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING, HOW IS THAT LOOKING, HOW'S THE DATA? UM, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GETTING, DO WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT? UM, AND MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S MORE DATA OUT THERE THAT WE COULD FIND USEFUL TOO. OKAY. GREAT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ. COUNCILMAN COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I THINK THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND PUTTING TOGETHER A PILOT PROGRAM AND TAKING A LOOK AT HOW IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT AFTER SIX MONTHS OR SO. 'CAUSE THIS CERTAINLY IS VERY NEW TO SAN ANTONIO, AND IT'S STILL FAIRLY UNIQUE IN THE WAY OF A, A SERVICE OR A METHOD OF TRANSPORTATION. UM, I, I LIKED SOME OF THE PLANNING THAT WE HAVE IN THIS PRESENTATION PARTICULARLY. UH, I NOTICED THAT YOU HAVE, UH, ON PAGE SIX, WELL, OUT IN MY HANDOUT, IT'S THE CARD INFORMATION, OR I BELIEVE IT'S INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE ON A KIOSK. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH PARTICULAR SLIDE IT WAS. SLIDE 11, NOT THAT ONE. IT WAS BEFORE IT LOOKED LIKE THIS. AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS YES, I THINK, SO. THE, UH, THE BLUE CARD IN THE MIDDLE, I THINK THAT THAT IS, IS VERY VALUABLE, NOT JUST AS A FEATURE ON A KIOSK FOR SOMEBODY WALKING BY WHO MAY NOT EVEN BE INTERESTED IN A SCOOTER, BUT PARTICULARLY, I, I WANT TO ENSURE THAT ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO RIDE A SCOOTER UNDERSTANDS WHAT THOSE, WHAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE. AND RIGHT NOW, MY GUESS IS THAT WHEN THEY GET A, WHEN THEY GO TO RENT A SCOOTER, THERE'S GONNA BE AN APP THAT THEY USE. AND THE FIRST THING THAT MAY COME UP ON THAT APP IS WHAT ARE THE RULES FOR OPERATING AND SAFETY OF THIS SCOOTER? WHICH IS FINE, BUT IT, IT'S THE SAME AS WHEN YOU WANNA SIGN UP FOR SOFTWARE ON THE INTERNET. IT SAYS, THESE ARE ALL THE PRIVACY POLICIES AND THESE ARE ALL THE RULES AND EVERYTHING, AND PLEASE READ THESE AND LET US KNOW THAT YOU'VE READ 'EM. AND NONE OF US EVER DO. RIGHT. WE JUST CHECK IT OFF AND MOVE ON TO GET THE SOFTWARE WE WANT. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE PEOPLE RIDE THESE SCOOTERS WHO NEVER EVEN READ WHAT'S ON THE APP WHEN THEY'RE SIGNING UP FOR IT. AND SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I SAID, THIS LOOKS LIKE, UH, A GREAT MOCKUP FOR A CARD THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE PUT ON HANDLEBARS THAT WOULDN'T OBSTRUCT THE VIEW OF THE DRIVER OR THE OPERATION OF THE VEHICLE, BUT WOULD PUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE OBSERVANT TO AS THEY'RE OPERATING THIS VEHICLE. I KNOW WE'RE NOT EMPLOYING THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ABIDING BY THE RULES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PROJECT, AND POSSIBLY LOOK TO THIS AS A, A SIMPLE AND EFFICIENT AND INEXPENSIVE REMEDY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW TO OPERATE, UH, SAFELY THESE VEHICLES ON OUR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT. I KNOW IT'S A POINT I MADE BEFORE. THE OTHER THING THAT THAT, UH, SEEMS CURIOUS TO ME IS WE HAVE ONE SPEED LIMIT. UH, AND OF COURSE, THAT'S THE TOP, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO ANY FASTER THAN THAT SPEED LIMIT, BUT THAT'S 35 MILES AN HOUR. DOES THAT, IS THAT THE SAME FOR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS? UH, COUNCILMAN WHAT? WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT RECOMMENDING A, A MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT FOR THE SCOOTER ITSELF. UM, THE, THE TECH, THE MOTOR AND THE SCOOTER RIGHT NOW IS LIMITING THAT, UM, TOP SPEED, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY 20 MILES AN HOUR, BUT THAT'S, BUT WHEN YOU ADD A PERSON, THE WEIGHT OF A PERSON ON THAT, IT COMES DOWN. UM, SO IT'S CLOSER TO ABOUT 15 MILES PER HOUR. IS THE, THAT'S THE TOP SPEED CURRENTLY THAT THE, THE ACTUAL SCOOTER CAN GO. WELL, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR, BUT IT SAYS RIGHT ON ROADS. OH, OKAY. SO YOU CAN OPERATE THE VEHICLE ON A ROAD WITH AT LEAST A 30, WITH NO GREATER THAN A 35 MILES. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OUR CONCERN IS THAT SOMEONE WOULD RIDE IT ON A ROAD LIKE A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, RIGHT. [00:50:01] THE SPEED LIMIT'S 45, AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SAFE. AND SO WE'RE KEEPING IT TO 35 OR LESS. OKAY. I WAS PROBABLY WRITING SOMETHING DOWN AND DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THAT. SO THE MAXIMUM SPEED IS LIKELY TO BE 20 MILES AN HOUR, BUT DEPENDING ON THE USER, UH, THEY MAY OPERATE SLIGHTLY SLOWER, BUT THAT'S SPEED THAT'S OPERATE, THAT'S ALLOWED ON THE SIDEWALK OR THE STREET. RIGHT. THERE'S CURRENTLY, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ANY MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT, UM, UM, EITHER ON THE SIDEWALK OR ON THE, UM, STREET. DO WE KNOW IF THE, UH, VEHICLE PROVIDERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIMIT SPEEDS ON THEIR VEHICLES, UH, ON THEIR SCOOTERS? THEY DO. AND, AND THE WAY THEY, THEY, THEY CAN GOVERN, UM, DOWN THE TOP SPEED. UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT. THE, UM, IT, IT'S REALLY A SINGLE GEAR, UM, VEHICLE. AND SO WHEN THEY START TO GOVERN IT DOWN, IT STARTS TO IMPACT THE, THE STARTUP SPEED. UM, BUT IT, AND SO IT, IT, IT CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO GET STARTED, UM, RIDING. AND SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SAFETY CONCERN WITH THAT. BUT IT, IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, UM, ON WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A MAXIMUM SPEED LIMIT? WE THINK RIGHT NOW WITH JUST THE ACTUAL MOTOR THAT'S IN IT, THAT THE, IT'S REALLY ABOUT 15 MILES PER HOUR IS THE TOP SPEED WITH SOMEBODY RIDING IT. WE THINK THAT'S OKAY. UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE, WOULD START TO PUT LARGER MOTORS IN THEM, THEN I THINK WE WOULD START TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO GOVERN, UM, THOSE SPEEDS. BUT I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY, UM, SOMETHING WE'LL LOOK AT FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. OKAY. WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE PILOT PROGRAM AND, AND FINDING THOSE RESULTS AFTER A FEW MONTHS. SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. COURAGE. COUNCILMAN PALAIS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, SO SCOOTERS, UH, AND BIKES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY UP HERE IN THIS DIOCESE'S GONNA TELL YOU, OR THAT DISAGREE WITH THE FOLLOWING, THAT THAT TECHNOLOGY, UH, THOSE COMPANIES AND THE RIDERS, THEY CAN BE REAL ALLIES IN OUR PROBLEM SOLVING EFFORTS. AS WE LOOK AT THIS FIRST MILE, LAST MILE ISSUE, I ALSO THINK THAT RIDERS WHO NEGOTIATE TRAFFIC SAFELY AND ARE CONSCIENCE OF SAFETY RULES AND USE COMMON SENSE WHEN THEY RIDE THEIR SCOOTERS OR THEIR BIKES, ARE ALSO ALLIES IN, IN THAT EFFORT. BUT, UH, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THAT KNUCKLEHEAD OUT THERE WHO DRIVES LIKE A JERK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTS HIMSELF OR OTHERS AT RISK. I HAVE RIDDEN THE SCOOTERS AND, UH, THEY'RE AS DANGEROUS AS A BICYCLE, UH, AND IN MY CASE, AS DANGEROUS AS WALKING. UH, BUT THE, I I'VE HEARD THE COMPLAINTS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK UP TO ME AND SAY, OH, COUNCILMAN, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE VERY BIG PROBLEMS WITH THESE THINGS. VERY BIG PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEMS BEING THAT DIFFERENT THAN PEOPLE DRIVING UNSAFELY ON ROADS, FOR EXAMPLE. UM, WE HAVE FATALITIES IN THIS CITY ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY, UH, AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE DUE TO PEOPLE JUST NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES AND PEOPLE NOT EXERCISING SOME DEGREE OF COMMON SENSE. I, I, I AGREE. YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO, DESPITE WHAT I JUST SAID, WILL SAY, THIS IS A SCOURGE, YOU KNOW, THE, THESE SCOOTERS ARE DISRUPTING. AND THAT'S THE NATURE OF DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY IS THAT IT DISRUPTS. I HAVE A FEELING THAT FUTURE CITY COUNCILS WILL BE DEALING WITH THE SCOURGE OF HOVER SHOES OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? UH, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SURE THE HOVER SHOE SHARING CONCEPT IS VERY SANITARY, BUT, UM, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS A STRUGGLE THAT I THINK PRIOR CITIES COUNCIL HAD TO DEAL WITH THE ADVENT OF FASTER CARS, UM, WITH THE ADVENT OF, YOU KNOW, CARRIAGES, UH, WITH BICYCLES, PEOPLE ON ROLLER SKATES AND ALL THAT. AND SO, UH, THE JOB HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT MORE PEOPLE THAN NOT ARE SAFE. AND THIS TECHNOLOGY IS HERE TO STAY NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. AND SO THE BEST THING SOMETIMES IS TO ACCEPT THE CARDS THAT HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH US AND TRY TO, UH, ADAPT. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, AND IF THERE'S ANY OF THE OPERATORS HERE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE OF THESE OPERATORS, BOY, WHAT A BAD WAY TO ENTER A MARKET BY JUST DROPPING BIG HUNKS OF EQUIPMENT ON OUR SIDEWALKS. UM, YOU KNOW, IF COUNCILMAN PERRY AND I WANTED TO START A BUSINESS WHERE WE STARTED DOING A CHAIR SHARING, YOU KNOW, COMPANY, AND WE JUST STARTED DUMPING CHAIRS ALL OVER THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, ROCKING CHAIRS AND HAD AN APP TO IT, UH, I THINK WE'D BE ARRESTED FOR LITTERING, RIGHT? UM, THAT'S [00:55:01] JUST, THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO BE A GOOD CORPORATE CITIZEN. UH, I, I'D LIKE TO THANK BLUE DUCK FOR BEING VERY CONSCIOUS AND, UH, ABOUT HOW TO BE A CORPORATE CITIZEN, UM, AND HOW TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND BEING CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THEIR, THEIR ENTRY INTO THIS MARKET. BUT THAT SAID, UM, THIS IS A PILL THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SWALLOW. AND SO I'M, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR EFFORT TODAY, AND THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK. THANKS, MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PLI. COUNCILMAN PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, THANK YOU, JOHN. APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS HERE. UM, THE COST OF THE PROGRAM, THE, THE INITIAL REGISTRATION FEE, AND THEN THE COST PER SCOOTER, UM, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THOSE COSTS? UH, WE, WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, REALLY JUST TRYING TO COST, COST RECOVERY. UM, AND I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE YET WITH THESE, THESE RATES. THIS WAS A, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES CHARGING, TALKING TO THE VENDORS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T PRICING THEM OUT OF THE MARKET. UM, AND, BUT ALSO BEING SENSITIVE TO, UM, VARIOUS SIZES OF THOSE COMPANIES. UM, SOME OF THE COMPANIES ARE VERY LARGE, THEY'RE INTERNATIONAL, SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES. SOME OF THE COMPANIES ARE VERY SMALL. UM, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T PRICING, UH, SOMEBODY OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE MARKET. UM, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A, AN ATTEMPT TO, UM, HAVE A FAIR, UH, PERMIT APPLICATION THAT WILL HELP US RECOUP SOME OF OUR COST. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM IS TO LOOK AT, UM, IF WE HAVE SIX MONTHS OF STAFF OUT THERE CORRECTING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE TIME-WISE? UM, RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE THREE VENDORS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE 3003 SCOOTERS THAT ARE DEPLOYED. UM, SO THE, THE, THE FEES COLLECTED FROM THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE $31,530. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. UM, AND SO WE'RE GONNA, UM, BUT IF THERE'S MORE SCOOTERS COMING, MORE, MORE COMING IN THE MARKET, OBVIOUSLY THAT NUMBER'S GONNA START TO GROW. UM, SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE REALLY SPENDING OUT THERE CORRECTING THESE. UM, SO WE TRIED TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO COME UP WITH A GOOD ESTIMATE OF WHAT WAS FAIR, UM, AND ALSO WHAT WAS EQUITABLE. UM, AND THEN ALSO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME ARE WE ACTUALLY, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA SPEND DOING THIS. OKAY, SURE. BUT THAT'S A, IF, IF IT ENDS UP YOU HAVE TO USE MORE THAN A THIRD OF A PERSON, UM RIGHT. WE CAN GO BACK AND MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS FAIRLY EASILY. OR DO WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REVISE THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE? NO, I, I THINK AT THE, WHEN THE, WHEN WE COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IS THAT WE WOULD EITHER INCREASE FEES OR, AND IT MAY BE AN INCREASE TO THE PERMIT, THE ONETIME APPLIC, THE YEARLY PERMIT VERSUS PER VEHICLE. UM, I THINK IT'S ALSO GONNA DEPEND ON, UM, WHAT OUR REGULATIONS ARE AND HOW WE'RE ENFORCING IT. AND I, I THINK OUR FOCUS IS REALLY GONNA BE ON HAVING THE VENDORS SELF-CORRECT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT USING CITY STAFF RESOURCES TO GO OUT THERE AND DO REALLY WHAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD BE DOING. UM, AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT TECHNOLOGY THAT'S THERE TO SEE, CAN THAT HELP US, UM, IDENTIFY, UM, PROBLEMS FASTER. AND, AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, UM, JUST IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS THAT JUST BY COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMPANIES, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE VIOLATIONS OR POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS WERE WHEN THEY WERE DEPLOYED IN THE MORNING. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN KIND OF BACK AND FORTH FEEDBACK WITH THEM SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU, WHEN YOU DEPLOY IN THIS AREA, CAN YOU MAYBE MOVE THOSE SCOOTERS DOWN 30 OR 40 FEET, KIND OF OUT OF THAT BUS AREA? AND SO I THINK WE'LL SEE LESS AND LESS OF THOSE VIOLATIONS. UM, AND SO I THINK AFTER SIX MONTHS WE'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA OF, OF REALLY WHAT IT MEANS FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST FEES ACCORDINGLY IF NEED BE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ALL ARE DOING IT, BUT, UH, UH, THEY WERE, UH, TAKING A PORTION OF THEIR PROFITS AND DONATING IT TO NONPROFITS HERE IN THE CITY. IS THAT BEING, UH, ARE ALL THE COMPANIES PARTICIPATING IN THAT? UM, SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE OFFERED TO DO THAT. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOING THAT. THEY, THEY, IN OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVE DONE THAT. UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOULD ANY OF THESE FEES GO TO A CERTAIN PROGRAM. UM, BUT THEY HAVE OFFERED, UM, TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THAT, UM, AS PART OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM. OKAY. WE'RE NOT REQUIRING THAT. BUT NO, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT SURE. TO KNOW WHO, WHO IS DOING THAT AND WHAT ORGANIZATIONS THEY, THEY ARE, UM, PARTICIPATING WITH. OKAY. IN MAKING THOSE [01:00:01] DONATIONS. SURE. I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. UM, AND THEN, UM, THEY'RE OKAY WITH A TWO HOUR LIMIT ON VIOLATIONS ON CORRECTING ANY PROBLEMS OUT THERE. UH, YEAH. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, SEVERAL OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AS WELL. AND, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EACH COMPANY, BUT I, BUT THEY HAVE MENTIONED THAT THEY THINK THAT'S, UH, AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME, BECAUSE IN A LOT OF CASES, THE TURNOVER OF THE SCOOTERS IS LESS THAN TWO HOURS. SO IN A, UH, A LOT OF TIMES THE SCOOTER MAY BE PARKED IN VIOLATION, BUT IT'S A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE THE NEXT RIDER COMES AND USES IT. SO THE, THE RIDERS THEMSELVES, IN A WAY, ARE CORRECTING IT BY, BY USING IT. UM, OKAY. AND THEN, UM, TICKETS, HAVE WE ISSUED ANY TICKETS HERE IN THIS CITY TO ANY VIOLATORS? I DON'T THINK SO. RUNNING STOP SIGNS, CAPTAIN RUNNING RED LIGHTS? NO. NO VIOLATIONS YET. NO VIOLATIONS. RIGHT. AND, AND A LOT OF THESE, WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, SPECIFIC REGULATIONS TODAY, UM, THAT THEY WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF. WELL, DON'T THEY, IF THEY'RE ON THE ROAD, SHOULDN'T THEY BE OBEYING STOP SIGNS AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND ALL THAT? AND I HAVE SEEN TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STOP SIGNS BEING RUN BY SCOOTERS. SO I, I GUESS, IS A POLICE DEPARTMENT EVEN LOOKING TO ENFORCE ANY CURRENT TRAFFIC LAWS WITHIN THE ROAD SYSTEM? UH, YES. AND SO WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, I THINK REALLY WHAT WE WERE ALL LOOKING FOR WAS THIS NEW ORDINANCE, SOME GUIDANCE, SOME REGULATIONS ON, UM, WHAT WE WOULD ENFORCE, HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE IT. UM, SO I THINK GOING FORWARD, UM, THERE'LL BE, UM, YOU'LL MAYBE START TO SEE, UM, SOME MORE VIOLATIONS, PARTICULARLY AREAS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE ON THE RIVERWALK. UM, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PARKS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE AREN'T RIDING ON THE RIVERWALK. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS WHERE WE HAVE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS. YEAH. I'M JUST, BUT ALSO ON OUR STREETS TOO, CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WAITING ON THIS ORDINANCE TO START ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS ON OUR STREETS. AND, UH, UH, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT E EVERYBODY SHOULD BE OBEYING THOSE. IF YOU'RE ON THE STREET, YOU SHOULD BE STOPPING AT STOP SIGNS. RIGHT. STOPPING AT TRAFFIC LIGHTS. WE DON'T HAVE, HAVE TO BE WAITING ON THIS ORDINANCE TO DO THAT. SURE. SO I WOULD'VE EXPECTED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVEN'T ISSUED ANY TICKETS TO DATE? THAT'S WHAT I'M BEING TOLD. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UM, AND THEN I, I AM INTERESTED IN THIS ABOUT THE GEOFENCING. UM, YOU KNOW, WHO, HOW WOULD THAT, I KNOW THIS IS FUTURE, BUT HAVE Y'ALL THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW, WHO WOULD IDENTIFY THESE AREAS? WOULD IT BE THROUGH A COUNCIL MEMBER? WOULD IT JUST BE CITY STAFF? WOULD IT BE, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? UH, IN CONCEPT, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE BOTH OF THOSE WAYS. SO WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIVERWALK, UM, PARTICULARLY THE RIVERWALK IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE QUITE A BIT OF PEDESTRIANS. UM, WE KNOW THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO GEOFENCE. UM, NOT, NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S PROHIBITED, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE CHANCES OF AN ACCIDENT, UM, HAPPENING. SO THAT'S AN AREA WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS SAYING THAT'S AN AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE GEO-FENCED, NOT ONLY FROM PARKING, BUT ALSO FROM RIDING. UM, BUT IT COULD BE, UM, OVER TIME, UM, WE SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE RIDING SCOOTERS TO A CERTAIN LOCATION, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A ACCUMULATION OR A STACKING OF SCOOTERS AT THAT AREA. IT MIGHT BE A LIBRARY, MIGHT BE A, A JUST AN EVENT VENUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONTROLLING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, SO IT COULD BE JUST FROM INPUT, INPUT FROM VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CONVENTION CENTER IS, IS ONE THAT'S EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN TO US. UM, BUT CERTAINLY IT COULD COME FROM CITIZENS AND AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND WE WOULD TAKE INPUT FROM ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TO HELP US MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. OKAY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. GREAT. UM, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PERRY. COUNCILMAN TNO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, JOHN, GREAT WORK ON THIS. UM, I THINK THAT THIS IS DEMONSTRATING, UM, OR GONNA SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE STATE AND, UH, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE LIGHT TOUCH APPROACH, BUT WE WILL BE MONITORING, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S WHAT'S CRITICAL HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, WHAT, WHAT I THINK THAT THIS HAS DONE IS IT'S ALSO EXPOSED SOME OF OUR, OUR DEFICIENCIES MAYBE IN INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT AS WE ARE, ARE LOOKING TO HIRE A PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY OFFICER, THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE THE PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY OFFICER IN THAT EVALUATION. 'CAUSE THIS IS REALLY ABOUT PEOPLE. WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE, PEOPLE ARE, HAVE, HAVE, [01:05:01] UH, SAFE ACCESS TO, TO ALL OUR CITY SPECIFICALLY, UH, IN DOWNTOWN. AND I THINK THIS IS, I THINK, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THIS NEW PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY OFFICER TO GET A REPORT ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS, WHAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE, AND HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE THIS DATA AND LEARN FROM IT TO, TO APPLY TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. UH, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I MEAN, I THINK WE WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HOPING WE, WE CAN, WE CAN GATHER FROM THIS DATA IS, IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, COOPERATIVE FROM THESE COMPANIES SO THAT WE CAN APPLY IT TO HOW WE STUDY WHERE SOME OF THESE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE. ARE, ARE THESE COMPANIES BEING COOPERATIVE? UH, YES. THEY HAVE ALL BEEN, UH, VERY COOPERATIVE. UM, THEY'VE BEEN ACCESSIBLE. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THEM. THEY'VE BEEN VERY, UM, WILLING TO HELP, UM, PROVIDE US INFORMATION. UM, IT'S REALLY BEEN A COLLABORATIVE, UM, EFFORT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, IS REASONABLE, UM, BUT ALSO LOOKS OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF OUR CITIZENS AS WELL. SO I THINK THEY'VE BEEN, THEY'VE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE. GOOD. UH, EVEN THE ONES THAT AREN'T HERE YET HAVE BEEN COOPERATIVE TOO. GOOD. WELL, I THINK THE EDUCATION CAMPAIGN IS, IS ALSO IMPORTANT, WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO INCLUDE THE PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY OFFICER, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE, WE ALL NEED TO MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE, UH, THE SCOOTERS PLUS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, UM, ALL OF US HAVE TO BE VERY AWARE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COMMON ADAGE TO SAY, LOOK, LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE, UH, CROSSING THE STREET, UH, SO WE WANT, UH, ADDED PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. AND OF COURSE THERE'S VISION ZERO THAT, UH, THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE, UH, VERY MUCH A PART OF OUR EVALUATION AS WELL. SO, GREAT WORK, JOHN. THANK YOU. I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN TREVINO. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. UM, AND TO ALL THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING AND, UH, HELPING US FIGURE, HELPING YOU FIGURE THIS OUT, UM, AS WELL AS I SEE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM CENTRO HERE. I IMAGINE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE. SO THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR HELP ON THAT. UM, SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING, UH, SCOOTERS AS A TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE FOR OUR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR VISITORS IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, I DO AGREE THAT THE POINT IS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. UM, THE POINT OF THESE REGULATIONS IS TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. SO THANKS FOR, FOR HAVING THAT, UH, FOREMOST IN THIS PROPOSAL. UM, I DO HAVE, UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROXIMITY TO PEDESTRIANS AND YIELDING TO THEM. SO, UM, IN MY, IN MY DISTRICT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SCOOTERS, BUT IN MY DISTRICT, SOMETHING THAT FOLKS REALLY, UH, HARP ON IS THEY WANT TO FEEL SAFE WALKING ON THEIR STREETS, UH, WHETHER IT'S ON THE SIDEWALK. AND, UH, SOMETIMES CARS INTERFERE WITH THAT ABILITY, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST, UH, PRIORITIES, UH, IS, IS SAFETY. JUST WALKING ON YOUR STREET, UH, VEHICULAR, UM, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. UM, SO WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT IS FOR THE SCOOTERS TO PRESENT ANOTHER WAY TO BE UNSAFE ON, ON A STREET. UM, I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I, I FORWARDED THOSE TO YOU AT, UM, RIGHT, THANK YOU. AT LAB IN PARTICULAR. UM, SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW DURING THIS PILOT PHASE WE ARE GOING TO, UM, ENFORCE THAT. SURE. AND SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SOME AREAS IT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE EASIER THAN OTHERS. UM, UH, DOWNTOWN WHERE WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, WE HAVE MORE STAFF, WE HAVE MORE PARKS, POLICE THAT ARE ON BIKES, UM, IN THE INSTANCE OF LAVATA, THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AT GEOFENCING, UM, PARTICULARLY INSIDE LATA. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN THAT WAS, WAS FORWARDED TO ME, UM, IS TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UM, PARTICULARLY FOCUSED ON AREAS WHERE WE HAVE HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF PEDESTRIANS, UM, WHERE THERE'S MOST LIKELY TO BE CONFLICTS. UM, I THINK, UM, PART OF OUR THOUGHT ABOUT SIDEWALKS WAS, IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S SIDEWALKS WHERE IT'S PROBABLY VERY APPROPRIATE MAYBE TO RIDE A SCOOTER. THERE'S, THERE'S MAYBE NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. UM, THEN OBVIOUSLY AREAS DOWNTOWN, UM, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE PEDESTRIANS. SO WE HAVE TO BE, UM, KIND OF STRATEGIC ABOUT, UM, ENFORCEMENT, BUT NOT ONLY ENFORCEMENT, BUT ALSO EDUCATION. UM, WHERE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE LIKELY TO HAVE, UH, CONFLICTS. THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON, UM, RIDERSHIP SAFETY. SO, UM, WE, YOU MAY SEE MORE, UM, MARKETING EFFORT, SAY IN DOWNTOWN, UM, WHERE THERE'S MORE LIKELY TO BE A CONFLICT. UM, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WANT OBVIOUSLY BE ADDRESSING THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY BECAUSE THIS IS A CITYWIDE SURE. JOHN VEHICLE, UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF ABOUT HOW HE'S ROLLING THIS OUT WITH, UH, WITH THE GUYS ON THE, ON THE ROAD ON THE STREET. THANKS. I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE QUESTION, COUNCIL? SURE. ENFORCEMENT FOR, UM, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AROUND, AROUND SCOOTERS. SO, [01:10:01] YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEONE RIDING A LITTLE BIT TOO FAST ON A SIDEWALK COMING TOO CLOSE TO, TO A PEDESTRIAN OR NOT YIELDING, HOW, HOW WILL OUR OFFICERS BE TAKING THAT ON THE, THE, THE SAME WAY THEY WOULD ENFORCE, UH, A BICYCLE REGULATION OR ELECTRIC BICYCLE REGULATION, IF THEY SEE IT, UH, AND THEY'RE NOT ON SOMETHING OF A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN THEY WOULD ENFORCE IT. OKAY. AND SO, UH, WHAT, HOW DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING DOWNTOWN? I MEAN, IS DO THEY HAVE THE TIME TO, TO ENFORCE THAT? THE BI YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY I THINK IT WOULD BE THE BICYCLE, UH, BIKE OFFICERS WHO WOULD MM-HMM. BE MOST EXPOSED TO THAT MM-HMM. . OKAY. UH, AND THEY'VE BEEN, DO YOU NEED ANOTHER SORT OF OPERATING PROCEDURE TO IMPLEMENT THIS? OR IT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED IMMEDIATELY? IT'S, WELL, WHENEVER COUNCIL MAKES IT EFFECTIVE, WE WOULD, IT WOULD BE ENFORCED. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF. UH, JOHN, I DO HAVE ONE SUGGESTION. YOU TALKED ABOUT GATHERING, UM, A LOT OF DATA, UM, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT RESOURCES WE USE, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING? ORIGINS DESTINATION. I THINK THAT'S VERY INTERESTING. UM, INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING OUR OUR OWN STAFF REVIEW IT, UM, I'D RECOMMEND ALSO HAVING SOME KIND OF DATA, HON PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ALWAYS CAUGHT UP IN THE, IN THE INFORMATION MAY HAVE OTHER CREATIVE WAYS OF, OF INTERPRETING IT, SO. SURE. UH, THANK YOU. YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS, AND WE'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL. COUNCILMAN SALANA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO, UM, UH, COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION LOOKS LIKE FOR US TODAY, UH, AND WHAT I THINK IT'LL EVENTUALLY EVOLVE INTO, INTO THE FUTURE. SO I WAS, I WAS POINTED, UH, THIS OUT BY A MEMBER OF MY COMMUNITY WHO'S A MEMBER OF THE DISABLED COMMUNITY. THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO A WHEELCHAIR. AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS WHAT I THINK EXISTS IN THE FUTURE FOR, UH, A CONSTITUENCY OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NAVIGABLE. UH, THAT THERE ARE, UH, ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE SAFE TO EITHER WHERE, WHETHER YOU'RE ON A, A WHEELCHAIR OR MOTORIZED, UH, SCOOTER OR A BIKE OR A, A ELECTRIC SCOOTER LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THEY ALL ESSENTIALLY NEED THE, THE SAME THINGS, WHICH IS A SAFE AND NAVIGATABLE, NAVIGABLE OR WALKABLE CITY. AND, UH, WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS TO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, UH, THAT EXISTS WITH PARTNERSHIPS THAT INCLUDE, UH, VIA FOR THE FIRST MILE, LAST MILE OPTION. SO THIS MICRO TRANSPORTATION REVOLUTION WILL BE AN IMPORTANT ONE BECAUSE IT'LL HAVE A SPILLOVER TO CONSTITUENCIES THAT WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER TODAY. BECAUSE IF YOU LIVE IN A MORE SUBURBAN SETTING AND THERE IS ALL OF A SUDDEN A LIGHT LIGHTER FOLDABLE SCOOTER THAT HAS STORAGE ON A MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM, LIKE VIA, UH, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE SEEING A SHIFT IN THE WAY PEOPLE ARE MOVING. TO THE EXTENT THAT I THINK YOU'LL SEE AS UBIQUITOUS AS IT IS TO CARRY A BRIEFCASE, IT'S GONNA BE AS UBIQUITOUS TO CARRY A HELMET. AND I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF FUTURE WE'RE MOVING TO, NOT JUST IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT IN A LARGE METRO AREAS THAT NEVER THOUGHT MASS TRANSIT OTHER THAN JUST THE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE, UH, WOULD BE THE FUTURE. SO, UH, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS FIND OUT WHERE WE NEED TO APPLY THE RULES TODAY AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ADJUST 'EM IN THE FUTURE IF WE NEED TO. 'CAUSE IT'S MY PREDICTION THAT WE'LL PROBABLY GET TO A POINT WHERE WE WILL, UH, HAVE TO CAP THE NUMBER OF SCOOTERS. UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER IS TODAY, WHICH IS WHY I THINK WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PRETTY FLEXIBLE PATH ON, ON, ON THAT CONVERSATION. BUT ULTIMATELY WE'LL REVISIT IT. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M, I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THIS, THIS MICRO TRANSPORTATION HAS FOR SAN ANTONIO AND HOW WE'RE GONNA RESPOND TO IT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME, UH, CONSTITUENCIES OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE WHETHER THEY'RE RIDING THE BUS TODAY, OR THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE DISABLED COMMUNITY WHO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SPILLABLE EFFECTS FOR, UM, A CITY COUNCIL AND A CITY THAT IS, IS APPROACHING TRANSPORTATION IN A MORE DIVERSE WAY. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE ITEM. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. UM, JOHN, I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD OTHER THAN I, I, I WISH YOU WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITED , ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY. UH, 'CAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A BIG DEAL. I'M EXCITED, UH, ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE A BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR WHICH THERE'S REALLY NO REGULATORY SCHEME. AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL, AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT ABOUT OUR CITY, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A BRAND NEW INDUSTRY THAT WAS CROWDSOURCED BECAUSE THEY SEE A NEED ON THE STREETS AND THE PRIVATE MARKET CREATED A A A A RESOLVE THAT. AND RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIT A ROUND PEG INTO A SQUARE HOLE, WE'VE SORT OF WATCHED THIS DEVELOP, SEEN WHERE THE PRESSURE POINTS [01:15:01] ARE AND RESPONDED ACCORDINGLY. AND, AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS THAT IT'S A SIX MONTH PILOT. WE CAN COME BACK AND REVIEW HOW IT'S WORKING, BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY UNDERGIRDED UNDERGIRDED BY WHAT I THINK EVERY POLICY THAT DEALS WITH A NEW INDUSTRY SHOULD DO, WHICH IS COMMON SENSE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, SPEED ISSUES, UM, PROXIMITY TO HANDICAP ACCESS, UM, PROXIMITY TO PEDESTRIANS, UH, WHAT TO DO WHEN PEOPLE ARE, UH, BEHAVING IN A WAY THAT IS, UH, OBNOXIOUS. IT, IT DEALS WITH THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T DO SO IN A WAY THAT PUSHES OUT THE INDUSTRY. AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. AND I LIKE THAT FACT THAT THERE'S NO CAP. THE MARKET WILL DECIDE WHERE THE DEMAND AND THE, AND THE SUPPLY NEED TO BALANCE OUT. SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL, AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE, UH, AND WHAT YOUR STAFF HAS DONE. JOHN, UH, I WILL SAY I'M BOMBARDED CONSTANTLY WITH TWITTER MESSAGES AND FACEBOOK MESSAGES WITH PICTURES OF SCOOTERS JUST CRAMMED SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE. AND I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SINGLING OUT ANY COMPANY, THE GOOD WAY FOR US TO RESPOND IS TO ASK, IS TO ASK NICELY, TAKE CARE OF THE STUFF. REALLY, THE BURDEN FALLS ONTO THE COMPANY AND THEY'LL DO THAT, AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. UM, BUT THIS DOES ALLOW US TO HAVE A SAFETY MECHANISM FOR THE PUBLIC THAT DEMANDS IT FROM US, THAT ON OCTOBER 12TH, WE STOP ASKING NICELY. UM, WHICH I THINK OUR CITIZENS WANT TO HEAR FROM US TOO. SO, UM, I'M VERY EXCITED BY THIS. UH, I DIDN'T MEAN TO RAISE THE VOLUME TOO MUCH, BUT CONGRATULATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE STAFF FOR FIGURING THIS OUT IN A, IN A GOOD WAY. SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE ORDINANCE. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW THIS PILOT PROGRAM DEVELOPS AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING ON A SCOOTER. THANKS. THANK YOU. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 15. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE LAND USE CATEGORIES IN CHAPTER 35 OF THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO IMPLEMENT THE ESSAY TOMORROW. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. COUNCILWOMAN GRA. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I THINK THERE'S A PRESENTATION. RUDY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GIVE THAT, UH, YES, MA'AM. UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO TWO SECTIONS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS DETAILED IN YOUR PACKET. UH, THIS ITEM WAS FIRST CONSIDERED AT YOUR JUNE 21ST PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WAS TABLED AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO CONDUCT FURTHER A FURTHER ROUND OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHICH TO THE, WHICH THE DEPARTMENT COMPLETED IN THE, UH, THE SUMMER OF THIS YEAR. AS PART OF MY PRESENTATION, I'LL INCLUDE DETAILS OF THE STAFF PROPOSAL, UH, AS PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY IN OPEN FORUMS, AS WELL AS AN OUTLINE OF THE FULL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT. UH, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THE PRIMER ON WHAT SA TOMORROW IS AND HOW IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED IN THE COMMUNITY. UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE CITY'S LAND USE AND URBAN PLANNING POLICY. THE PLAN DETAILS HOW AND WHERE THE CITY SHOULD AGGREGATE FUTURE GROWTH. USING DATA RELATED TO EXISTING JOB CENTERS, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE FUTURE GR JOB AND HOUSING OPTIONS SHOULD GO IN ORDER TO CAPITALIZE ON INVESTMENTS BY BOTH THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE SECTORS. ADDITIONALLY, THE PLAN ALSO RECOMMENDS THE DEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITY PLANS TO PROVIDE A LAND USE PLAN AND MAP FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CITY. THESE AREAS, UH, PARTNER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS SUCH AS TIME OF DEVELOPMENT, NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AND SIMILAR CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES. UH, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT COMMUNITY AREAS ARE NOT INTENDED TO SPECIFICALLY ACCOMMODATE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF FUTURE GROWTH. THE IDEA BEHIND THESE PLANS IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED LAND USE, MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, FOR THESE AREAS AT A COMMUNITY SCALE. AND TO HAVE MORE CO A COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT AND GUIDANCE FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND BOND PROJECTS. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL UTILIZE EXISTING PLANS AS A CRITICAL BASELINE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MODERN PLANS THAT ADDRESS LAND USE AT THE COMMUNITY SCALE, BUT ALSO SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND PROMOTE LOCAL PRIORITIES. THE COUNCIL DIRECTED THE DEPARTMENT TO INITIATE THE REGIONAL CENTER PLANS WITHIN A THREE-YEAR WORK PLAN AND THE BALANCE OF THE SUB AREA PLANS WITHIN FIVE YEARS. THEN THE DEPARTMENT WILL TAKE THE CRITICAL NEXT STEPS RELATED TO IMPLEMENTING THE PLAN SO THAT THEY DO NOT SIT IN THE SHELF. THIS SLIDE DETAILS WHAT A LAND USE PLAN IS. IN SUMMATION, THE CITY'S LAND USE POLICY FOR A SPECIFIC AREA THAT DETAILS HOW THE AREA WILL GROW AND DEVELOP, WHAT PATTERN THAT GROWTH SHOULD TAKE AND RECOMMENDS AN ACTIONABLE PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS. IN SHORT, LAND USE IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE COHESIVE DISTRICTS WITH COMPATIBLE USES. HOWEVER, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT A LAND USE PLAN IS MUCH MORE THAN A MAP. IT DEFINES A FUTURE FOR COMMUNITY [01:20:01] THROUGH POLICIES AS WELL. THESE POLICIES AND THE LAND USE MAP TOGETHER ARE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR, FOR DECISIONS RELATED TO THE LAND USE PLANNING AND FUTURE INVESTMENTS IN A COMMUNITY. UH, THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE DEVELOPMENT RELATED BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS OF THE CITY AS WELL AS YOU THE CITY COUNCIL. HAVING SAID ALL OF THIS, A PART OF IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO BETTER DEVELOP MODERN, MORE COMPREHENSIVE SUB AREA PLANS, THE DEPARTMENT IS NOW PROPOSING TO UPDATE THE LAND USE CATEGORIES IN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR, CONCISE SET OF LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT WILL GUIDE OUR CITY INTO THE FUTURE WHILE ADDRESSING LONGSTANDING NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THE YEARS. AND BASED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED IN THE 1970S AND UPDATED IN THE, IN 1999, THE CITY IMPLEMENTED A SERIES OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY PLANS TO GUIDE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. OVER 40 PLANS IN ALL. THE CITY HAS YET TO ENJOY A LAND USE MAP FOR ALL OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THIS FACT REMAINS EVEN AFTER ALMOST 40 YEARS. EACH OF THESE PLANS HAS THEIR OWN SET OF DISCRETE LAND USE CATEGORIES, YET MOST DIFFER FROM THOSE CATEGORIES IN NEIGHBORING PLANS. SETTING THE COMMUNITY UP FOR A DISJOINTED LAND USE PATTERN, AND UNFORTUNATELY DISALLOWING IN MANY CASES OPPORTUNITY AND CHOICE IN SOME AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SA TOMORROW RECOMMENDS AN APPROACH WHERE OPPORTUNITY AND CHOICE RELATED TO FUTURE LAND USE IS AVAILABLE TO ALL AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY CHOICE FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE FEWER OPTIONS, THUS ADDRESSING COMMUNITY EQUITY AND ACCESS TO THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE CITY. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD TAKE THE CITY FROM THE CURRENT SET OF OVER 50 CATEGORIES TO A HARMONIOUS SET OF CLEARLY DEFINED CATEGORIES THAT ADDRESS THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE NEEDS ON THE SCREEN. NOW YOU CAN SEE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT THAT WAS CONDUCTED TO GET TO THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, FROM FOCUS GROUP MEETINGS, TO CITYWIDE MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS, TO OUTREACH WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE SAGE TO ENGAGEMENT WITH STAFF IN YOUR OFFICES AT A NUMBER OF KEY POINTS IN THE PROCESS. ADDITIONALLY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE FORWARDED THESE AMENDMENTS BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING A SERIES OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE CONDUCTED BY THE LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, UH, THE A I A AND WE, UH, STATE THAT WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT OF THE A I A ARCHITECTS IN THAT PROCESS. ON THE SCREEN NOW, YOU CAN SEE THE TIMELINE OF THE FORMAL ADOPTION PROCESS, WHICH INCLUDED A NUMBER OF BRIEFINGS TO COMMITTEES, UH, AND CONSIDERATION BY BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE FULL PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZONING COMMISSION. BOTH OF THESE CITY COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A UNANIMOUS VOTE. THE TWO MATRICES ON THE SCREEN DETAIL JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF THE INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORING PLAN AREAS. UH, THESE MATRICES HIGHLIGHT THE LACK OF OVERALL CONSISTENCY AND THE POTENTIAL FOR A FUTURE LAND USE PATTERN THAT DOES NOT, UH, PROVIDE THE CITY WITH AN EFFICIENT NOR EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR LAND. THIS NEXT SLIDE NOW SHOWS THE FULL LIST OF PROPOSED LAND USE. CATEGORIES OF NOTE IS THE ADDITION OF THE URBAN LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORY. UH, THIS PROPOSED CATEGORY REPRESENTS AN ADDITION TO STAFF'S INITIAL PROPOSAL AS RECOMMENDED BY ATTENDEES OF A MEETING WITH THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2017. ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A MORE NUANCED APPROACH TO MIXED USES, UH, TO INCLUDE A NEW BUSINESS INNOVATION MIXED USE CATEGORY THAT WOULD PERMIT LIVE WORK OPPORTUNITIES NEAR FUTURE BUSINESS PARKS AND INNOVATION IN TECHNOLOGY CENTERS. ADDITIONALLY, THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE ALSO PROPOSED FOR AN UPDATE TO REFLECT AN UPDATED APPROACH TO RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN THE CITY. WHILE DEVELOPING THIS PROPOSAL, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED RESEARCH INTO THE MOST POPULOUS CITIES IN THE COUNTRY AND HAVE SIMILAR, THAT HAVE SIMILAR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES RELATED TO GROWTH ALLOCATION, LEVERAGING TRANSIT INVESTMENTS, AND OTHER INPUTS. UH, WE LOOKED INTO HOW OUR PROPOSED CATEGORIES RELATED AND WHERE THEY ALSO DIFFERED, BASICALLY DOING A REVIEW OF NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES. WE FOUND THAT IN THAT, IN ALL THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY IS ONE THAT IS ON THE LOWER END OF THE DENSITY SPECTRUM WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER COMPARABLE CITIES. YET WE, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THESE MODEST UPDATES TO OUR CODE WILL ALLOW US TO FULFILL THE SA TOMORROW RECOMMENDATIONS AND BELIEVE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES TO ADDRESS OUR FUTURE LAND USE NEEDS AND REMAIN ECONOMICALLY COMPETITIVE. ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THE TRACK CHANGES VERSION FOR TRANSPARENCY MAKING THESE REVISIONS. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, WE CAN ELIMINATE SOME REDUNDANCIES AND PROVIDE FOR MORE OPPORTUNITY CHOICE AND FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF LAND USE IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL IN YOUR PACKET. YOU ALSO HAVE A COPY OF THAT PROPOSAL, UM, AT THE, UH, AT YOUR SEATS. UM, THIS CONCLUDES MY FORMAL PRESENTATION AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ATTENTION. UM, I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR YOUR QUESTIONS FOLLOWING YOUR CITIZEN COMMENTS. THANK YOU, RUDY. UM, COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE SEVERAL CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO [01:25:01] SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. I'LL CALL THEM NOW. WE'LL BEGIN WITH ROSS LAWHEAD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I HAD MR. BRUCE MARY WITH ME AND HE DID SIGN IN, BUT HE HAD TO LEAVE FOR A FUNERAL. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN HAVE HIS THREE MINUTES OR NOT. YOU CAN RULE ON THAT. MY NAME IS ROSS LAWHEAD. I AM THE VOLUNTEER, UM, LAND USE ATTORNEY FOR THE OAKLAND ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN DISTRICT EIGHT. AND I RESIDE AT 59 75 LOCKHILL ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE LAND USE, UH, CATEGORY DEFINITION ADJUSTMENTS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS ABOUT IT. ONE IS A GENERAL CONCERN THAT ALL THIS IS BEING USED TO DRIVE DENSITY AND IT'S BEING USED TO DRIVE DENSITY ONLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T BENEFIT FROM HAVING RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT PREVENT IT. AND I DON'T LIKE THAT ABOUT IT. I KNOW THAT COUNCIL IS HEADED THIS WAY. ANYWAY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UM, I DON'T LIKE THAT THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL INCLUDES R FOUR, WHICH IS 4,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, WHICH IS SMALLER THAN TRADITIONAL CITY LOTS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT TIER ONE WANTS IT THERE. SO I WOULD ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO CONSIDER CREATING A SUBURBAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE R FOUR. I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM TIER ONE, WHICH IS THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SHOULD NOT INCLUDE MF 33, WHICH IS MULTIFAMILY, WHICH ALLOWS FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. I THINK IT REALLY SHOWS WHERE THIS WHOLE THING IS HEADING WHEN YOU CALL SOMETHING MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND IT INCLUDES FOUR STORY APARTMENT BUILDINGS. UM, THAT'S MY OBJECTION. I WOULD LIKE NOW LIKE TO MAKE AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST RELATED TO THIS, WHICH IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS MOVED FORWARD TO MAKE CHANGES AT THE EXPENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. AND AS YOU GO FORWARD AND PRESUMABLY APPROVE THESE LAND USE CATEGORY CHANGES, I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST TO GET STRENGTHENING NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS ONTO YOUR AGENDA SO THAT IT CAN BE ADDRESSED, UM, FOR RESIDENTS OF OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS, NOT PROTECTED BY RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLANS IN NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS ARE THE ONLY MEANS FOR ANY INPUT INTO THE FUTURE LAND USE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THE CITIZEN INPUT PROCESSES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE LAND USE PLANS ARE EXHAUSTING AND SOMETIMES DIVISIVE REDEVELOPMENT INTEREST CAN BUY A SINGLE LOT AND THEN GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND SEEK TO CHANGE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THIS CONTEXT, COUNCIL MEMBERS SEEK CONSENSUS, BUT MAY EVENTUALLY NEED TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS BEFORE THESE PLANS ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. THESE DECISIONS SHOULD NOT BE EXCESSIVELY RE-LITIGATING SAN ANTONIO TOMORROW. PLANS TO ELIMINATE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN LAND USE PLANS BY ROLLING THEM INTO LARGER SUBAR PLANS. ONE OF MY GREAT CONCERNS IS THAT WHEN A SUBAR PLAN COMES TO COUNCIL, YOU'RE GOING TO PASS IT BECAUSE IT'S SO LARGE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REJECT IT OVER THE PROBLEMS OF AN INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD. PLANNING SAYS IT WILL HONOR LAND USE PLANS, BUT IT INTENDS TO REQUIRE THEM TO BE REDONE TO REMAIN EFFECTIVE. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. THE PLANNING PROCESS FOR CITIZEN INPUT IS SO EXHAUSTING. AND YOU HAVE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF CITIZENS THAT HAVE PUT IN HUNDREDS OF HOURS. AND NOW WE'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT THAT BEING DISRESPECTED. UM, I HAVE PARTICULARLY LOOKED AT THE EXISTING U D C PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE FIVE YEAR INTERVAL FULL PROCESS RENEWALS OF NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. UH, PLANNING IS NOT ALLOCATED SUFFICIENT RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THIS REQUIREMENT. SO THEY'VE LET THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS BASICALLY GO TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT FULLY INFLUENTIAL. BUT VERY RECENTLY, A TEMPORARY RULE DETERMINATION WAS MADE TO PROTECT THEM IN THE INTERIM, LED IN FACT BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT ACQUIESCED IN BY PLANNING. MY PROBLEM IS NOTHING LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE REQUIRES PLANNING TO RETAIN NEIGHBORHOOD BASED LOCAL CONTROL OVER THE CITIZEN INPUT PROCESS FOR FUTURE LAND USE, PLAN DEVELOPMENT, REVISION, OR RENEWAL. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'M IN OAKLAND ESTATES, WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT IN OAKLAND, THE STATES, WE HAVE A LAND USE PLAN, WE HAD TO FIGHT FOR IT, A GREAT DEAL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT WE HAVE IT. BUT IF LATER ON THIS JUST GETS ROLLED UP INTO A SUBAR PLAN, THERE'S NOTHING COMMITTING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO USE OAKLAND ESTATE'S RESIDENTS TO PLAN OAKLAND. THE STATE'S LAND USE, WE COULD BE SIMPLY ONE PERSON ON A COMMITTEE OF 10 OVER A LARGER AREA. THEY ARE NOT LOCKED IN AND THERE'S TOO MUCH DISCRETION AND THEY'VE BLOWN AWAY THE LITTLE INFLUENCE WE HAVE BY PUTTING NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS IN PLAY. OAKLAND ESTATE HAS DRAFTED A PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO SOLVE THESE MATTERS. UH, PART OF THAT'S ON THERE. IF I COULD ASK YOU, SIR, TO SHOVE IT UP A LITTLE BECAUSE THE PART AT THE TOP [01:30:01] IS LESS RELEVANT. KEY ELEMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE ARE TO ROLL FORWARD THE CURRENT LAND USE PLANS INTO SA TOMORROW WITHOUT THE GATING REQUIREMENT OF THESE EXHAUSTING RENEWALS TO MAKE PLAN RENEWALS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THEY STILL HAVE THE POWER TO COME IN IF THEY'RE ROLLED FORWARD, BUT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. ANY DEVELOPER CAN REQUIRE A WHOLESALE PLAN RENEWAL. ALL THEY'VE GOTTA DO IS BUY ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY OR PUT IT UNDER OPTION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN THEY CAN REQUIRE US TO GO THROUGH THIS EXHAUSTING PROCESS. THEY DON'T NEED THAT POWER BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A PARALLEL POWER. WHEN THEY WANNA REZONE, THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET A CONCURRENT PROCESS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A SPOT PLAN AMENDMENT SO THAT THEY CAN DO THE REZONING. SO IF YOU GIVE THEM THE REZONING, THEY DON'T NEED THIS POWER. THIS IS A SEPARATE POWER WHERE THEY CAN FORCE, I DON'T KNOW, DOZENS OF MY NEIGHBORS TO PUT IN, I DON'T KNOW, 50 OR A HUNDRED HOURS OVER A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR JUST TO TECHNICALLY RENEW THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN UNDER THE EXISTING ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, WHICH IS NOT PROPOSED FOR AMENDMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD THREE OR SIX, I'LL CONCLUDE. ACTIONS SHOULD BE TA UM, ACTIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT. PROTECT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS WHILE PLANNING IS MODIFYING THE U D C BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PAYING ATTENTION RIGHT NOW. YOU SHOULD RESPECT THE VOLUNTEER EFFORTS AND WE REQUEST A C C R AND I ASK THAT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER ZAMBONI, GET INVOLVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. LAWHEAD. TONY GARCIA. GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS TONY GARCIA. I LIVE AT 2 43 EAST SATCH IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC ASSOCIATION. THE ASSOCIATION IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. I HAVE A STATEMENT TO READ, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE ASSOCIATION. THE MONTE VISTAS HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AGREES THAT SAN ANTONIO'S FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES WILL HELP CREATE A MORE CONSISTENT, PREDICTABLE, AND DEFINED CLASSIFICATION THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY FOUND UNDER THE U D C. THE ASSOCIATION FURTHER AGREES THAT THESE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES WILL HELP ADDRESS INCONSISTENT CATEGORIES FOUND IN MANY OF SAN ANTONIO'S OUTDATED NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. WITH THE ABOVE UNDERSTANDING, THE ASSOCIATION DOES HOPE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOT DISCARD OUR 1988 NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, BUT UPDATE AND MAKE IT AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE SUB AREA LAND USE DISCUSSIONS WITHIN THE SA TOMORROW PROCESS. THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION SUPPORTS THE FUTURE LAND USE C CATEGORIES BEING PROPOSED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTO, SAN ANTONIO. FURTHERMORE, THE ASSOCIATION STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED BY DISTRICT ONE OFFICE AS IT FURTHER REFINES THE FUTURE LAND USE CA CATEGORIES WHILE MAINTAINING THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF MONTE VISTA, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MANY OTHER INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE AMENDMENTS ARE BASED ON COMMUNITY INPUT, INCLUDING THAT OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. WE THEREFORE REQUEST YOUR SERIOUS CONSIDERATION OF THESE AMENDMENTS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE CLASSIFICATIONS, YOURS AND COMMUNITY. MA HALL, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTH, OFA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GARCIA. PHILLIP MANA, GOOD DAY. UH, MY NAME IS PHILIP MANNA. I LIVE AT 9 5 2 5 ROCHELLE. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE ALAMO FARMS TED'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND I WAS A PLANNING CHAIR OF THE HENER LEON CREEK'S COMMUNITY PLAN. AND FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, I'VE BEEN ONE OF THE FEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THERE'S A LARGE CADRE OF WELL-FUNDED FULL-TIME DEVELOPERS AND THEIR SUPPORT TEAMS THAT, UH, LOOK TO MAXIMIZE THEIR POTENTIAL RETURN ON DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. SOMETIMES AT THE DETRIMENT OF, UH, EXISTING COMMUNITIES SUPPORTED BY ILL FUNDED PART-TIME, UH, VOLUNTEERS, UM, THAT ARE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR COMMUNITIES. UH, THE PRIMARY TOOL USED, UM, FOR THE GROWING CITY BETWEEN COMMUNITIES AND DEVELOPERS, UH, ARE, UH, COMMUNICATION AREAS, COMMUNICATION. AND FORTUNATELY, THE CITY HAS PROVIDED A LOT OF GOOD TOOLS FOR THIS, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, THE COMMUNITY PLANS, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, COMMUNITY ZONING COMMISSIONS, AND THE U D C. AND EACH OF THESE AVENUES ALLOWS FOR INPUT AND FEEDBACK ON HOW DEVELOPERS MUST ENGAGE WITHIN COMMUNITIES. UH, THE HEER, [01:35:01] UH, LEON CREEK COMMUNITY PLAN WAS ONE OF THE FIRST TO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY IN 2003. UH, SINCE THEN, MANY PLANS HAVE BEEN CREATED WITHIN COMMUNITIES, UH, THAT HAVE LEVERAGED THE EXISTING, UM, UM, U D C, WHICH INCLUDES THOSE DEFINED WITHIN LOW DENSITY AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE COUNCIL SHOULD, UH, BE APPROVING THE CHANGE TO UC, SPECIFIC TO THE R FOUR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT FROM MEDIUM DENSITY TO LOW DENSITY CLASSIFICATION. OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS SEEKING DENSER INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. BY MOVING THE R FOUR ZONING FROM MEDIAN DENSITY TO LOW DENSITY REMOVES ONE OF THOSE COMMUNICATION POINTS REQUIRED BY THE DEVELOPERS SEEKING DENSER INFILL INTO OUR LOW DENSITY COMMUNITIES. UM, WE'RE NOT AGAINST DENSITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND THIS WEEK WE HAD ENCOURAGING DIALOGUE FROM DISTRICT SEVEN OFFICE THAT ENGAGED WITH OUR, WITH A DEVELOPER TO BRING IN A MORE DENSE COMMUNITY INTO ACTUALLY AN EXISTING, UM, UM, LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA WORK THROUGH VERY WELL. SO, SO IT'S SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THOSE DIALOGUES THAT ARE PROVIDED THROUGH THESE, UH, THESE, UH, RULES THAT ARE KIND OF SET IN PLACE. UM, AND SO OVERALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT FOR THAT. THE SAME DIALOGUE WAS SAID ABOUT THE MF MOVING THE MF THREE THREE FROM THE HIGH DENSITY TO MEDIUM DENSITY. A SECOND OBSERVATION IS THE CURRENT U D C PROPOSAL IS A NAMING CONVENTION OF THE ZONING CATEGORY OF URBAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS MISLEADING AND SHOULD BE RENAMED TO URBAN MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL 'CAUSE IT MORE CLOSELY LINES WITH THE OTHER CATEGORIES THAT ARE THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE, WITHIN THE LOW DENSITY VERSUS THE MEDIUM DENSITY. UM, SO BY DOING SO THE FUTURE, UH, IT ALLOWS FOR THE FUTURE DIALOGUE AGAINST, UH, FOR COMMUNITY WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS. AND FINALLY, AS A GENERAL COMMENT, I THINK ANYTHING THAT WE DO THAT IN THE U D C THAT UM, POTENTIALLY DIMINISHES THE STRENGTH AND VALIDITY OF EXISTING COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS IS DETRIMENTAL REALLY TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. HUNDREDS OF HOURS HAVE BEEN SPENT AND SO I'D JUST LIKE TO RESPECT THOSE HOURS SPENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MANNA. CYNTHIA SPIELMAN. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME'S CYNTHIA SPILLMAN. I LIVE AT 900 WEST WOODLAWN AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT ONE. I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF THE BEACON HILL AREA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND STEERING MEMBER OF TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. DEAR MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DEALT WITH MUCH OF THE TENSIONS AND STRESS THAT MANY DOWNTOWN AREA NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE FELT REGARDING INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND INCONSISTENT ZONING CHANGES. LAND USE IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL TO HELP CREATE CONSISTENCY FOR NOT ONLY DEVELOPERS, BUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS. WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH OUR MEMBERSHIP AND TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION FOR MONTHS AS WELL AS ATTENDED NUMEROUS CITY AND A I A MEETINGS TO ADVOCATE CHANGES TO THE FLU PROPOSAL THAT MAKE IT MORE BALANCED AND THOUGHTFUL FOR ADVOCATING FOR THE CHANGES OF CATEGORY FOR MF 33, MF 25, AND RMM FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE, AND AS WE CREATE NEW SUBAR PLANS AND SEE DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES THROUGH I D Z C, CHIP AND FEE WAIVER PROGRAM CHANGES AS WELL AS POSSIBLE BY RIGHT ZONING TO BENEFIT HOUSING. THERE HAS TO BE A STRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT GUIDES US IN THE FUTURE AS WE ACCOMMODATE CHANGE THAT HELPS MAINTAIN RESILIENT NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF DESTROYING THEM. IF IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY, NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE LAND USE PLANS FOR THEIR COMMUNITY, AND FUTURE ZONING CHANGES WILL BE DEPENDENT ON THOSE PLANS. SEVERAL INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EXIST NOW WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT A PLANNING CHANGE IF THE FLU PROPOSALS HAD ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED. THE FLU CHANGES WITH OUR RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS HELP US MAINTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WHILE ACCOMMODATING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. PLEASE SUPPORT THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES, INCLUDING THE AMENDMENTS FROM DISTRICT ONE THAT HAVE INCORPORATED, THAT HAVE INCORPORATED FEEDBACK FROM SAN ANTONIO NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. SPIELMAN. COLIN JONES. UH, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CULLEN JONES. I LIVE AT 1123 NOLAN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M GOING TO, UH, BE READING A LETTER HERE ON BEHALF OF TIER ONE STEERING COMMITTEE. UH, MAYOR, UH, TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION IS A COALITION OF OVER 50 INTERLOOP 14 NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ENCOMPASS ALL BUT THREE COUNCIL DISTRICTS. WHILE NO ONE CAN REPRESENT THAT MANY DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHOUT A VOTE, OUR STEERING COMMITTEE OF NINE COMES FROM THE FAR, EXCUSE ME, FROM THE FOUR PARTS OF THE INNER CITY. AND WE ASK CITY COUNCIL TODAY TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. WE PROPOSED, EXCUSE ME, WE HELD A WELL-ATTENDED PUBLIC WORKSHOP AT SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE ON THE FUTURE, LAND USE CHANGES, AS WELL AS COUNTLESS SMALLER MEETINGS WITH DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD STAKEHOLDERS, WORKED ON ISSUES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO SUGGEST [01:40:01] BALANCE CHANGES IN THE PROPOSAL AND HELP CREATE AN EFFECTIVE TOOL TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. AS WE PARTICIPATE IN THE SA TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE SUB AREA PLANNING, WE WORKED WITH INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND MORE LOCAL COALITIONS TO HELP PRODUCE CHANGES WE HOPE WILL GUIDE THE FUTURE OF OUR COMMUNITIES WHILE PROTECTING AND PRESERVING WHAT IS BEST ABOUT US. NO DOCUMENT IS PERFECT AND SO MUCH DEPENDS ON OUR TRUST IN THE CITY TO WORK IN GOOD FAITH WITH ITS RESIDENTS. BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES WILL GIVE STRUCTURE TO AN UNWIELDY LAND USE, WHICH WE HOPE WILL HELP US ALL MAKE SOUND DECISIONS ABOUT OUR FUTURE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION STEERING COMMITTEE, KOA ALVIN, CHRISTINE RENAN, TONY GARCIA, HOMER HAYES. MYSELF, RICKY KUSHNER, VELMA PENA, CYNTHIA SPIELMAN, AND THERESA IBANEZ. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. JONES. VELMA PENA. GOOD MORNING COUNCIL MEMBERS MAYOR BERG. MY NAME'S AMELIA AND I RESIDE AT 1635 POTOSI. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME'S ALMA PENA. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE WESTWOOD SQUARE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AS WELL AS THE WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S COALITION. I LIVE AT 1208 PENN. THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES GIVE STRUCTURE TO PROGRESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO THAT RESIDENTS AND DEVELOPERS KNOW THE RULES. WE'RE SEEING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS DESTROYED ONE CASE AT A TIME, ESPECIALLY WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY AT 1201 MONTEZUMA. WE WANT PROGRESS AND WE REALIZATION FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE. COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ, PLEASE CONTINUE TO PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND WORK FOR THE BETTERMENT OF US ALL BY ENDORSING THIS PLAN. COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE SUPPORT THE FLU AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY DISTRICT ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. PENA, MARY JOHNSON, MARY JOHNSON, ANN ENGLEHART, I'M SORRY. ANN ENGLERT. THANK YOU. MY NAME'S ANN ENGLERT AND I LIVE AT 3 3 1 MINK IN BELLEVUE. AND, UM, YESTERDAY IT BECAME APPARENT THAT MANY OF US NEEDED TO STEP FORWARD. SO I PREPARED A LETTER AND I WAS ABLE TO SEND THAT TO ALL OF Y'ALL IN THE WEE HOURS BEFORE GOING TO BED AT MIDNIGHT. AND I'M WRITING TO ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THE LAND USE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED WITH THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SAN ANTONIO NEIGHBORS MUCH WORK AND THE DEDICATION FROM MY CONTEMPORARIES HAVE GONE INTO DEVELOPING THESE PLANS TO PROTECT CURRENT AND FUTURE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENTS TO BE USED AND BE MEANINGFUL TO OUR BELOVED AND UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS, AS WELL AS ALLOW FOR GROWTH AND DENSITY. AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM CYNTHIA AND OTHERS TODAY ABOUT BEACON HILL, AND IT'S JUST IMPERATIVE THAT I FEEL THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE IF IF WE DON'T HAVE IT, THEN WE'VE, WE'VE GOT OPPORTUNITIES WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GONNA BE LEFT BEHIND, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE VOICES OF THE RESIDENTS WILL BE TOO. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. ENGLER, COUNCILWOMAN GRO. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AND, UM, ALL OF THE LETTERS AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SHARED AND COMMUNICATED WITH OUR OFFICES, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP THAT WE'RE TAKING RIGHT NOW, AND IT, UM, INVOLVES THOROUGH AND TRANSPARENT, UM, COMMUNICATION AND PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I KNOW, UH, BACK IN JUNE, THIS WAS MOVING FORWARD ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA, BUT, UM, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A CON, A CONTINUANCE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS AND THE PUBLIC INPUT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. SO, RUDY, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU PLEASE, UM, ON, UH, SO THE C P C ON AUGUST 15TH, THE PROCESS WAS, AGAIN, SO IN JUNE 21ST, THE PROCESS WAS FIRST PAUSED TO HAVE MORE, UM, COMMUNITY INPUTS IN ORDER TO REENGAGE OUR COMMUNITIES AS SOME DISTRICTS RESIDENTS NEEDED MORE TIME TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORDINANCE AS WE WERE AMENDING THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, UM, TO IMPLEMENT THIS ESSAY TOMORROW, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND, [01:45:01] UM, THEN FURTHER ON AUGUST 15TH, THE PROCESS WAS AGAIN PAUSED. SO A I A COULD COME IN AND DO SOME MEETINGS BEFORE RETURNING TO FULL COUNCIL TODAY. AND WHAT FEEDBACK DID THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECEIVE FROM THOSE A I A MEETINGS, UM, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE A I A MEETINGS? THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY DIRECT FEEDBACK ABOUT THOSE. UM, WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE PROCESS RELATED TO HIS SPECIFIC, UH, PRESENTATION THAT WAS MARIO PENA. AND WE APPRECIATED THAT RELATED TO HIS EQUITY PRESENTATION. BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC RELATED TO LAND USE, MA'AM. OKAY. AND THE REASON THAT THE COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 21ST WAS PAUSED IS BECAUSE STAFF, WE REQUESTED THAT STAFF HOLD MORE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, OBVIOUSLY THOSE MEETINGS WERE HELD. AND WHAT WERE THOSE MEETINGS? WHAT WERE THE TAKEAWAYS FROM THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN ACTUALLY. UM, THE TAKEAWAYS WERE, UH, RELATIVELY SPLIT, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UH, WE HAD OVER 120 FOLKS PARTICIPATE, UH, IN THE PROCESS AND PARTICIPATE IN THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. UM, WE RECEIVED, UH, 78 COMMENT CARDS BACK FROM FOLKS WHO WANTED TO ACTUALLY WRITE OUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE OR, OR THEIR SUPPORT, UM, WITH A TOTAL OF 91 INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS. AND FROM ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED, IT WAS FAIRLY EVIDENT THAT IT WAS SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE. UH, THERE WERE ABOUT HALF THE FOLKS THOUGHT THAT, UH, WE WEREN'T PROVIDING ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR MORE DENSITY OR ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE CHOICE, UH, WHEN IT CAME TO LAND USE. UH, AND THE OTHER HALF THOUGHT THAT MAYBE THERE WAS, UH, TOO MUCH EMPHASIS ON ON DENSITY. SO IT WAS SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE, WHICH MADE US, UH, FEEL EVEN MORE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING A, UM, A MODERATE PROPOSAL, UH, FORWARD TO COUNCIL. ALRIGHT. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND, UM, FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IN JUNE, WHAT HAS CHANGED BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS? WHAT DID Y'ALL, UH, CHANGE MM-HMM. ? UM, WELL, IN TERMS OF MODIFICATIONS TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AGAIN SURE. THE, THE, UH, INTERACTION THAT WE HAD WITH FOLKS AND THE TAKEAWAYS THAT WE HAD FROM THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WAS THAT THE, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS SOUND. AND SO WE WANTED TO PROCEED FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL TODAY. UM, A RECOMMENDATION THAT PROVIDED THAT, THAT FLEXIBILITY, UH, IT WAS ONE THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, MODIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. UM, AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UH, FOLLOWING A KEY POINT IN THE PROCESS WHERE WE HAD OUR CITYWIDE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. IT WAS FAIRLY EVIDENT THAT THERE WAS, UH, SOME WORK THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE WITH THE RMM FOUR, UH, MIXED RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. AND SINCE WE HEARD THAT NOT JUST FROM INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO FROM FROM SOME STAFF MEMBERS WITHIN YOUR OFFICES, UH, WE THOUGHT IT PRUDENT TO REMOVE IT AND TO MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THE 2020 AMENDMENT PROCESS AND THEN, AND THEN BRING IT BACK FORWARD SO THAT IT CAN BE UTILIZED, UH, WELL AND INCORPORATED INTO THE LAND USE FRAMEWORK. AND THE, AND ON THE ESSAY, TOMORROW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FIVE YEAR REVIEW. CORRECT. SO, UM, SO WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD, THERE'S ALWAYS, THIS IS GONNA BE A DYNAMIC PLAN WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT AND GO THROUGH A COMMUNITY OUTREACH PROCESS AGAIN. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS IN 2019, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THAT, UH, REVIEW AGAIN. MM-HMM. . UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE OCCURRING OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS. THE FIRST ONE YOU'RE CORRECT, WOULD BE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD BE, UH, FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN 2020. UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS, UH, THROUGH, UH, FUNDING THAT WAS DEDICATED FROM THE COUNCIL, UH, WILL BE CONDUCTING A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ASSESSMENT. AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA, UH, HIRE A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE GOALS AND POLICIES THEY'RE IN TO LOOK AT THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND TO SEE WHAT CAN, WHAT DO WE NEED TO MODIFY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING THOSE GOALS AND POLICIES. UM, ADDITIONALLY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALSO WILL BE PROVIDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING A FIVE YEAR PROCESS, A, UM, A STATUS REPORT ON WHERE ARE WE ACTUALLY IN IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO YOU, THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THOSE TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE, UH, GUIDANCE ONE ON THE DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO ON THE, ON THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE PLAN ITSELF. AND I NEED CLARIFICATION, WHAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH RIGHT NOW IS, IS NOT ABOUT THAT WHOLE I D Z CATEGORY. THAT IS CORRECT, MA'AM. THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT LATER. YES, MA'AM. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE IS A, A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROCESS, A C C R PROCESS THAT IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, UH, TO PROVIDE, UH, I D Z REFORM, UH, AND RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT I D Z THAT IS NOT PART OF WHAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD, WOULD ENTAIL. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YES, MA'AM. UM, I THINK, AS WAS MENTIONED IN MANY OF THE STATEMENTS HERE, WE ARE A VERY DIFFERENT COMMUNITY, AND I THINK WE TOOK A BOLD STEP TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SA TOMORROW PLAN FOR SAN ANTONIO, BECAUSE WE WANTED THAT GUIDANCE AND WE WANTED THAT, UM, CLARIFICATION. AND AS IT WAS MENTIONED, [01:50:01] SAFEGUARDING FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR COMMUNITIES AS MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES ARE GOING THROUGH TRANSITIONS. AND AS WAS MENTIONED TOO, THERE ARE A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES IN MYSELF AND IN MY DISTRICT. WE'VE HAD TO INITIATE CCRS TO DO DIFFERENT ITEMS FOR, UM, LAND USE, ET CETERA. BUT LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, PAUSING, THE JUNE 21ST COUNCIL MEETING WAS TO REENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO REACH OUT AND TRY AND ANSWER THOSE PENDING QUESTIONS TO THE CHANGES IN THE LAND USE CATEGORIES. NOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE PRESENTED TODAY, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, HAS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZONING COMMISSION HAVE BEEN BRIEFED ON STAFF CHANGES. AND I'LL RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THAT IS CORRECT, MA'AM. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THIS PROCESS AND, UM, AND I THINK MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR THIS CONTINUED VETTING OF THIS, AND THAT'S WHY, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TODAY, BUT I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED JUST YESTERDAY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, TWO AMENDMENTS TO THIS. AND, UM, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCESS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND TRUE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE VETTING OF THAT TO, SO TO PUT THIS FORWARD IN THIS TIME AND PLACE, UM, I DON'T THINK I COULD SPEAK TO THAT AS BEING THE PROPER AND TRUE PROCESS THAT WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH. UH, SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD, I'M AGAINST THE MF 25 OR THE MEDIUM DENSITY, BUT WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS AND VETTING THAT I THINK WE NEEDED TO DO IN THAT INSTEAD OF GETTING IT THE DAY BEFORE AND TO BE FAITHFUL TO ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE IT WOULD IMPACT ALL OF THE CITIZENS IN SAN ANTONIO. AND YOU ALL KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE SHARED IT LAST TIME, UM, THE BROOKS REGIONAL CENTER HAS BEEN WAITING TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. BUT BECAUSE OF THE DELAY, WE'VE HAD TO WAIT ON THIS AS WELL. UM, BUT I KNOW THAT IF NEEDS TO BE, IF NEED TO BE, UM, MY, MY COLLEAGUES, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE I D Z, UM, YOU KNOW, I D Z CHANGES IN INVESTIGATIONS THAT COULD HAPPEN THROUGH A C C R AS WELL. SO, UM, WITH THAT MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON ADOPTING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 35 UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. SECOND. OKAY. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 15. AND WE HAVE, UH, MANY, MANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES SIGN UP TO SPEAK. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, AND I HAD HOPED TO PULL THIS ITEM TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO THIS ITEM BASED ON THE THOROUGH EVALUATION, UH, BY MYSELF AND MY DISTRICT ONE STAFF ALONG WITH, UH, PLANNING AND THE DISTRICT ONE AND TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, REALLY THIS IS ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND, UH, FIRST I JUST SIMPLY SAY, LOOK, I, I, UH, RUDY AND BRIDGET AND THE ENTIRE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THIS IS, THIS IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE, WHAT WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S PIECES OF THIS THAT, UH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT ABOUT IN, IN WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND AT THE HEART OF THAT IS PROTECTING THE CHARACTER AND, AND SPIRIT OF NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER. UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT, UM, ALL THE LETTERS, UH, RECEIVED, UH, ON BEHALF OF NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, IN DISTRICT ONE AND TIER ONE AND BEYOND. UH, FOR THE RECORD. UM, BEFORE I GO THERE, I ALSO WANT TO THANK CHRISSY FOR ALL OUR HARD WORK ON THIS. UH, AND YOU'VE REALLY, UH, UH, GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS HA ARE, ARE BEING, BEING HEARD. AND, UH, WE WANT TO, TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERS. AND THAT IS NOT A NEW THING. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE JUST BROUGHT UP. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE ARE EXPERIENCING AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE. AND IT WAS INDICATED FROM YOUR OFFICE THAT WE'D HAVE TO MAKE THIS AS IN FORM OF AN AMENDMENT. SO WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. UM, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THESE AND HOW THE CATEGORIES HAVE BEEN APPLIED AND HAVE, HOW THEY COMPARE TO, UH, THOSE DRAFT MAPS OUTSIDE OF OUR DISTRICT. AND WE HAVE NOTICED THERE'S A CLEAR TREND IN THE APPLICATION OF THE CATEGORIES, UH, THE MEDIUM DENSITY CATEGORIES BEING APPLIED TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SMALLER PARCELS AND THEREFORE HIGHER LEVELS OF DENSITY, OR PERHAPS A HISTORY OF ESTABLISHED DUPLEXES IN THE AREA, BUT WHICH HAVE ONLY RESIDENTIAL USES [01:55:01] FOR LARGE AREAS. WE HAVE ALSO REVIEWED ALL THE NINE, ALL 19 OF OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND SECTOR PLANS, NONE OF WHICH INCLUDE MF 33 IN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY, MOST OF WHICH ARE CAPPED AT THE CATEGORY OF MF 18. UH, THE CORRIDORS, UH, WHERE WE WOULD HOPE TO SEE THE LARGE MULTIFAMILY COMPLEXES SUCH AS MF 33 AND ABOVE ARE BEING DESIGNATED MIXED USE, NOT MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS, AREAS FOR APARTMENTS ARE NEXT TO OFFICES, COMMERCIAL SPACES AND SERVICES. THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE CATEGORY, WHICH HAS BEEN APPLIED TO OUR CORRIDORS, IS CURRENTLY CAPPED AT MF 18 DENSITY. OUR PROPOSAL IS TO EVEN THOSE TWO OUT AND AS THEY ARE ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER AND ALLOW, UH, FOR MORE DENSITY ON THE CORRIDORS AND NOT ALLOW HIGH DENSITY APARTMENTS INSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY. IT'S HAPPENING IN FACT, SINCE DAY ONE. I'VE BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL, IT'S ALMOST FOUR YEARS NOW, AND THAT IS, WE'RE SEEING INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK SPLITTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S A REAL THING. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE, WE HAVE FILED MANY CCRS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS. UH, AND, UH, WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SILVER BULLET. WE KNOW IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE THESE KINDS OF MOTIONS WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE ADJUSTING A LITTLE PIECE OF, OF A MUCH BIGGER PLAN, WHICH AGAIN, I WANT TO STRESS THAT I REALIZE THAT THIS IS A BIG PLAN, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO IT BY PLANNING. SO WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING FOR SOME CONSIDERATION. UH, WE'VE DISTRIBUTED TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES A COMPARISON OF WHAT MF 33 AND MF 25 LOOK LIKE WHEN BUILT TO CAPACITY IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AND DENSITY, WHICH I HOPE WILL ILLUSTRATE WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THESE CHANGES. AGAIN, I WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THIS IS ABOUT TIMING, AND PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT TH THIS IS PART OF THE YEAR ONE IMPLEMENTATION. AND, AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO, UH, USE EVERY TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US TO, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT, THAT ARE AFFECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, AND ONE OF THOSE IS BASICALLY, IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLE AS IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR, UH, A, A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PROTECTED, ARE, ARE CONSIDERED AS PART OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS. THEY'RE THOUGHTFUL AND THEY'RE THE REASON THAT THE CITY HAS THE CHARACTER IT HAS. AND SO, THEREFORE, I, I MOVE TO AMEND LAND USE CATEGORIES BY REMOVING MF 33 FROM THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY AND ADDING MF 25 TO THE CATEGORY, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE CATEGORY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, FOR AN AMENDMENT AS READ BY COUNCILMAN TREVINO TO ITEM NUMBER, UM, ITEM NUMBER 15. AND SO AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE DISCUSSION, UM, I'LL ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO CONTAIN THEIR COMMENTS TO THE AMENDMENT. WE'LL TAKE UP THE MOTION ON THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MAIN ITEM, UH, AND THE MAIN MOTION. UM, SO WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN PERRY. THANK YOU, SIR. UM, IT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT THE, THE PROCESS AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A LENGTHY PROCESS. IF YOU CAN PULL UP SLIDE FIVE, I MEAN THAT, THAT, UH, KIND OF TELLS A STORY THERE IN THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE SIX. UH, WE DO HAVE A PROCESS HERE AND THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE CHANGES ALONG THE WAY, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, UH, THIS IS A, A FLEXIBLE PLAN THAT ADDITIONAL CHANGES CAN BE MADE IN THE FUTURE, AND THEY PRO THEY PROBABLY WILL BE. UM, BUT I CAN JUST LOOK AT, UH, BOTH THE, THE COMMUNITIES, THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AS WELL AS INDUSTRY HAS HAD, UH, AMPLE OPPORTUNITY. I MEAN, WHEN DID WE ACTUALLY START THIS PROCESS? HOW LONG AGO THIS PROCESS ACTUALLY STARTED APPROXIMATELY ONE YEAR AGO. ABOUT A YEAR AGO? YES, SIR. SO WE'VE HAD ABOUT A YEAR AND, AND A LOT OF MEETINGS, A LOT OF MANPOWER, A LOT OF HOURS THAT, UH, HAS GONE INTO THIS, THIS PROCESS AND THIS, THIS PRODUCT THAT THE STAFF IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TODAY TO, TO PASS. AND I, WE'VE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM RESA. WE'VE, UH, JUST RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM THE DEPARTMENT ASSOCIATION THAT THEY SUPPORT, [02:00:01] UH, WHAT IS BEING OFFERED TODAY BECAUSE THEY WERE A PART OF THAT PROCESS. THEY JUST GOT THIS CHANGE OR RECOMMENDED CHANGE YESTERDAY. AND THAT'S VERY UNFAIR FOR ALL THE PLAYERS IN THIS PROCESS TO MAKE A DECISION OR TRY TO REVIEW AND GET EVERYBODY TO SIT DOWN AROUND A TABLE AGAIN, TO MAKE A CHANGE IN SOMETHING THAT'S TAKEN OVER A YEAR TO PUT TOGETHER. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND, AND IF THERE'S SOME FATAL FLAWS IN THIS, WHAT CAN HA DO? WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT MAJOR REVIEW OF THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, UH, C C R COULD BE SUBMITTED TODAY IF THERE WERE FA UH, FATAL FLAWS OR THROUGH THE PROCESS IF WE FIND THAT THERE ARE COMPLICATIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, WHEN COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, PART OF THAT ORDINANCE ALSO PROVIDES FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO SUBMIT, UM, UH, IMPLEMENTATION AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO, TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND SO, UH, SHOULD WE FIND THAT THERE ARE THOSE ISSUES WE ACTUALLY CAN SUBMIT TO COUNSEL AND AMENDMENTS. SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A PROCESS. YES, SIR. THAT CHANGES CAN BE MADE THAT, AGAIN, GETS EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND MAKE COMMENTS AND AGREE OR AGREE TO DISAGREE OR WHATEVER, UH, TO GET TO THAT FINAL PRODUCT AGAIN. AGREED. OKAY. GREAT. WELL, AGAIN, I, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PERRY. COUNCILMAN COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, AND LOOKING AT THIS TIMELINE, THIS PROCESS THAT WE HAVE UP HERE, UM, WERE YOU AT MOST OF THESE MEETINGS YOURSELF? UH, YES, SIR. I PRESENTED AT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE MEETINGS. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, THE PARTICULAR ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP TODAY BY COUNCILMAN TRAVINA, THE MF 33 AND MF 25, UH, RE-DESIGNATION IN, IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAN YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. WERE THOSE ISSUES BROUGHT UP AND DISCUSSED EARLY IN THE PROCESS, THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, ALL THROUGH THE PROCESS? OR DID THEY JUST COME UP AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS? THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT ON, ON THE, ON, UH, SLIDE FIVE AND SLIDE SIX, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WERE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAD SOME CONCERN RELATED TO MF 33 WITHIN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. UH, HAVING SAID, AND THAT WE HEARD THAT PROBABLY THROUGH ABOUT THE MIDDLE POINT OF THE PROCESS. OKAY. UM, WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS, WE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT STAFF'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION. AND, UH, AND GIVEN THE BALANCED OPINION THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM OTHER FOLKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEARD THEIR CONCERNS. UH, SO JUST, JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE DIDN'T MEAN THAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HEAR THEM OUT. WE HEARD THEM. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, THEY'RE VALID, AND THAT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE'LL, WE WILL WORK TO ENSURE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND THE, AND, AND, UH, COMMUNITY PROTECTION ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. UM, IN TERMS OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND ARE ON THE FLOOR FOLLOWING COUNCILMAN VIA GRAND'S AMENDMENT, UH, WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE UNTIL MONDAY SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, NOW I UNDERSTAND WITH MF 33, 1 OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED TO ME THAT, UH, SOMEONE COULD WANT TO REZONE, UH, A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO MF 33, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A FOUR STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX THERE. WELL, UM, GIVEN THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS WORKS, THEY CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT TODAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, AN APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT TO ANY PLAN, AND THEY CAN SUBMIT ANY SORT OF REZONING CASE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE. UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT WE ARE UPDATING ALL OF THESE LAND USE PLANS. SO THEY WILL ALL HAVE NUMBER ONE, UPDATED LAND USE CATEGORIES, BUT ALSO UPDATED POLICIES. SO, FOR INSTANCE, WHILE IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF, UM, OF MF 33 WITHIN THE, THE, UH, WITHIN A PARTICULAR BLOCK, UH, WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OAKLAND ESTATE SITUATION, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER. UM, PRU ROAD IS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY A FULLY IMPROVED ARTERIAL ROADWAY THAT'S NORTH OF, OF OAKLAND ESTATES. THERE HAS BEEN CONCERN ABOUT R FOUR, UH, ZONING PERMEATING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS A LOAD, UH, PROPOSED, THE PROPOSED, UH, LOAD DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY WOULD INCLUDE R FOUR. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, PART OF THE LOCALIZED POLICY THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE SA TOMORROW PLAN, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN PROMOTING THIS IDEA OF FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THESE PLANS, WE CAN DEVELOP A POLICY THAT SAYS WITHIN, UH, THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED LONG PER ROAD, UM, DENSITIES THAT ARE AT R FOUR OR GREATER ARE NOT RECOMMENDED MM-HMM. . AND SO THAT POLICY WOULD, WOULD ESSENTIALLY SUPERSEDE THE, THE MAP, UH, CATEGORY [02:05:01] BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A TEXT, UH, POLICY. UM, BUT AGAIN, ANY APPLICANT AT ANY TIME CAN REQUEST A PLAN AMENDMENT OR A ZONING CHANGE FOR ANY, ANY, ANY PARCEL WITHIN THE CITY THAT IS PART OF THEIR RIGHT. AS, AS A PROPERTY OWNER. RIGHT. BUT IF MF 33 WERE NOT INCLUDED IN MEDIUM DENSITY MM-HMM. , THEN COULD SOMEONE GO INTO AN AREA AND TRY AND REZONE IT TO MF 33? UM, THEY, IT'S A MEDIUM DENSITY AREA. THERE ACTUALLY IS A PROCESS FOR THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL. ANYONE CAN ALSO, UM, SUBMIT A TEXT AMENDMENT TO A PLAN. SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT MF 33 WERE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY. MM-HMM. , SOMEBODY CAN ACTUALLY STILL THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS, SUBMIT A TEXT AMENDMENT AND SAY, WE WANT MF 33 IN THESE LAND USE CATEGORIES BECAUSE WE WANT TO APPLY FOR A ZONING CHANGE. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN? THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT AN AMENDMENT, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. AND ULTIMATELY, THAT REQUEST WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL. UH, DOES IT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY? YES. WELL, THERE IS, RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION. SO IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER APPLICATION. THEY WOULD SUBMIT IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT DOES NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY. THEY NOTIFY REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING CHANGES, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ALL RECEIVE A NOTICE. SO THERE IS A PROCESS THAT IS LAID OUT TO MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE AS WELL AS THE, THE NEW UPDATED, UH, SIGNS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO, UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, SIR, IF WE MOVE THIS OUT OF THIS AREA MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPACT IS. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMEONE CAN STILL REQUEST TO REPLAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ALLOW, UH, MF 33, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEY MAKE THE REQUEST, THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT HANDLES IT, THEY SEND OUT NOTICES SAYING THERE'S THIS REQUEST, THEY HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. ABSOLUTELY. THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S INVOLVED WITH ANY MODIFICATION TO A LAND USE PLAN THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED. RIGHT. OR TO ANY ZONING. AND THEN IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVES THAT MODIFICATION, THEN IT STILL COMES TO COUNCIL FOR ITS FINAL REPORT IF IT STILL COME TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND THE RECOMMENDED ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THEM DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT WHAT, UH, MUST BE ON THE GROUND. IF SOMETHING WERE CATEGORIZED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ZONED, UH, MF 33. THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED AND THE COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED, UM, THE BUDGET SO THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN IMPLEMENTING THESE LAND USE PLANS BY REZONING PROPERTY. SO THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP THESE LAND USE PLANS, WE SHOULD ALSO BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THE ZONING IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE PARCELS. SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ENSURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF INTENSITY IS PLACED ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO THE CATEGORY IS JUST THE FIRST STEP. IT'S THE LABELING OF PROPERTY. ULTIMATELY, THERE STILL HAS TO BE A ZONING PROCESS THAT DETERMINES WHAT CAN ACTUALLY GO ON THE GROUND. SO IN THE INSTANCE, LET'S SAY, OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT IS CATEGORIZED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, IF THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT BLOCK, TYPICALLY WE WOULD CATEGORIZE IT AT THE LE AT THE LEAST AMOUNT OF, OF DENSITY THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITHIN THAT CATEGORY. I MEAN, WE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS PART OF, PART OF THE PROCESS. WELL, IF THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEXES, THEN DOES IT BECOME MORE OF A, A MIDDEN AREA THEN? AND, UM, THERE WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT. I THINK THAT, UM, AGAIN, NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES ARE, UH, AS PART OF THE PROCESS, OUR CASE BY CASE, UM, THERE ARE ALSO OTHER CATEGORIES. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THAT, WHERE THERE'S A MIXED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS, UM, DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. WE ALSO HAVE PROPOSED THE URBAN LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY, WHICH IS A NEW CATEGORY THAT, UH, HAS PRECEDENT IN SAN ANTONIO. THERE ARE, UH, CURRENTLY PLANS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THAT CATEGORY LISTED WITHIN THEM. SO WITH THE, UH, ADOPTED STAFF PROPOSAL THAT, UH, CATEGORY WOULD BE AVAILABLE, AND WE COULD USE IT IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THAT POTENTIALLY. AND WOULD THAT ALSO MEAN THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT, UH, RE REQUEST TO BE LABELED AN URBAN LOW DENSITY OR SOMETHING? SURE. WE WOULD, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS, THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD TO, UH, TO WORK WITH US TO CATEGORIZE 'EM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOW DENSITY, URBAN, LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO NUANCE THAT CAN BE PROVIDED WITHIN THAT TOO. WE COULD CATEGORIZE NEIGHBORHOODS BASED ON THAT INPUT THAT WE GET FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT LIVE THERE. UM, IF THEY BELIEVE THIS SECTOR OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY COULD SEE ADDITIONAL DENSITY AND COULD ACCOMMODATE MORE, PROVIDED IT WAS DONE A CERTAIN WAY, WE COULD CATEGORIZE IT ONE WAY, WHEREAS THE BALANCE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE CATEGORIZED A DIFFERENT WAY. SO ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS AND HAVING THOSE SIT DOWN MEETINGS. AND, AND I THINK THAT THE, THE, UH, THE SPEAKER, UH, SAID IT POINTEDLY, UH, IT IS A VERY ARDUOUS PROCESS, [02:10:01] BUT IT IS ONE OF THOSE PROCESSES THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE AT THE TABLE, THAT WE HAVE THOSE VERY DETAILED MEETINGS TO ULTIMATELY GO ALMOST BLOCK BY BLOCK IN CERTAIN INSTANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT. YEAH. I, I REALIZE IN A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES WE'VE HEARD FROM, AND I RECEIVED THE LETTERS AND, AND LOOKED THE AT THESE OVER, THEY'RE IN AREAS THAT, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THESE KINDS OF NEW RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED, THE, THE NEW GUIDELINES THAT A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES MM-HMM. MM-HMM. , WHICH KIND OF ALREADY OPENS THE DOOR, UH, TO ENABLE MF 30 THREES TO POP UP IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT ANY, ANY REAL MECHANISM TO STOP THEM, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUT THERE. UM, DO YOU THINK THAT IF MF 33 WAS REMOVED FROM THESE MEDIUM, UH, DENSITY AREAS, THAT WOULD CREATE A, A GREATER, UH, BARRIER FOR THE CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT OF, OF SIMILAR TYPES OF PROPERTIES IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS? UM, I WOULDN'T THINK SO, COUNCILMAN, UM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT IF AN MF 33 PROPERTY WAS BEING DEVELOPED UTILIZING THE CURRENT ZONING, THE ZONING WOULD STILL REMAIN AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WOULD, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP THE APPROPRIATE LAND USE PLAN. SO IF THE COMMUNITY SAYS, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE DO HAVE CERTAIN INSTANCES OF THIS, WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A MEETING WITH THE WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, THE, THE WEST SIDE NEIGHBORHOODS COALITION. AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED AT THAT MEETING WAS, UM, THERE IS A SECTOR PLAN OUT IN THAT COMMUNITY FOR A PORTION OF THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY PLAN THAT, UH, RECOMMENDS, UH, THE URBAN TIER OR THE SUBURBAN TIER LAND USE CATEGORY, WHICH ALLOWS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE LAND USE PALETTE, ALLOWS UP TO MF 33 DENSITY. THAT COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT THEY WANT A LOWER DENSITY COMMUNITY. AND SO PART OF OUR PROCESS HAS TO BE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE CURRENT USES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND, LOOKING AT THE CURRENT ZONING, A ADJUSTING THE LAND USE PLAN ACCORDINGLY, AND THEN FOLLOWING IT UP WITH A ZONING PROCESS. WE CAN ADOPT A LAND USE PLAN FOR AN AREA, BUT IF WE DON'T ADDRESS IT WITH ZONING, THEN THE, UM, THE ENTITLEMENT IS STILL ON THE GROUND FOR SOMEBODY TO STILL PUT IN MF 33 PROPERTY. SO THE, THE LAND USE CATEGORIES, THE RECOMMENDED ZONING ALLOWANCES THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES ARE ONE SMALL PIECE OF, OF A MUCH GREATER PROCESS THAT HAS TO OCCUR IN ORDER FOR US TO, TO CONSERVE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. CAN THERE BE, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO MF 33 THAT WOULD SAY THEY CAN ONLY BE DEVELOPED ON ARTERIAL STREETS RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS? UM, THERE CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDMENTS TO ZONING DISTRICTS THROUGH THE STANDARD AMENDMENT PROCESS. SO IF WE FIND THAT MF 33 HAS CHALLENGES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME LOCATIONAL CRITERIA SO FORTH THAT MAY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, THAT WOULD BE DONE TYPICALLY THROUGH THE U D C AMENDMENT PROCESS. UM, IF THAT IS A CONCERN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, CAN COLLABORATE WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON TO EXPLORE AND AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT DISTRICT AND SEE, IS IT BEING ABUSED IN SOME WAY, UM, IS THERE SOME SORT OF REFORM THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR FOR THE, FOR THAT DISTRICT? AND THEN WE, WE COULD AMEND, UH, WE COULD MAKE SOME RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS AND WE CAN BRING THOSE FORWARD, UH, AS PART OF THE 2020 AMENDMENT PROCESS. COULD YOU AMEND, UH, MF 30 THREES TO BE NO GREATER THAN THREE STORIES? YES, SIR. THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE, UH, PART OF A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT PACKAGE IN THE FU IN THE FUTURE IF, UH, FOLLOWING EXPLORATION AND SO FORTH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTION. QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN COURAGE. COUNCILMAN BROCK HOUSE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YOU'RE DOING VERY WELL. OH, THANK YOU. A RESIDENT ACTUALLY JUST TEXTED ME RIGHT NOW AND SENT ME THESE VERY KIND WORDS IN MY SAID, UH, I GUESS THEY'RE WATCHING BECAUSE IT'S A THURSDAY. AND WHAT BETTER THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO THAN WATCH A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. HE'S ARTICULATE AND CONCISE, BUT PLEASANT WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT YOU, , I HAVE TO AGREE. YOU ARE, YOU'RE VERY PLEASANT. WELL, MAKING, I APPRECIATE THE, THE COMMENTS YOU'RE MAKING THIS VERY EXCITING, THIS, THIS WONDERFUL TOPIC. UH, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, JUST REAL QUICK. I MEAN, I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THE OVERALL PIECE. UM, BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT. I, I THINK THAT, UH, I'M NOT UNSYMPATHETIC TO THE NEEDS OF, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY I THINK ABOUT MY TIME BACK IN SERVING DISTRICT ONE, UH, AND BEACON HILL IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND, AND WE GOTTA FIND THE ANSWER FOR IT. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. THE MF 33 DESIGNATION IS, IS GOOD FOR DISTRICT SIX AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. UH, AND THEN, AND THE EXPANDING OPPORTUNITIES WITH DEVELOPMENT, UH, WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH INCENTIVIZING HOUSING AND GROWTH AND ALL THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M FULLY ON BOARD WITH, UH, THAT OPPORTUNITY BEING AVAILABLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION A LOT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER ABOUT, UH, PROTECTING, UH, AREAS AND COMMUNITIES LIKE BEACON HILL, RIGHT, WHICH ARE ON THE CUSP OF DOWNTOWN. THEY'RE NOT QUITE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEIR PROPERTIES ARE GONNA GET PICKED UP AND BUILDING IS COMING, AND THEN THEY'RE, THEY WANT TO KEEP HOLD OF THEIR CULTURE AND THEIR COMMUNITY, UH, AND THEY DON'T WANT, UM, TOO MUCH [02:15:01] GROWTH, BUT THEY WANT ENOUGH TO BRING IN THE YOUNGER POPULATION AND TO KEEP THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD LIVING AND VIBRANT FOR YEARS AND DECADES TO COME. SO WE HA WE HAVE TO FIND THE ANSWER. UM, AND THE FACT THAT NOW, FRANKLY, THAT YOU BROUGHT IT UP AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, RATHER THAN BOTHER ME AT ALL. I MEAN, YOU GOT A JOB TO DO, AND YOU'RE REPRESENTING YOUR, YOUR DISTRICT AND YOUR COMMUNITY. AND, UH, IF SOMEBODY IN MY COMMUNITY BROUGHT IT TO ME THE LAST COUPLE DAYS, SAID, HEY MAN, I NEED YOU TO GO FIGHT FOR THIS. AND IT MAKES SENSE. AND IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF DISTRICT ONE OR DISTRICT SEVEN, I MEAN, YOU PUT IT UP THERE AND WE TAKE A VOTE ON IT, AND IT IS WHERE IT IS. BUT I'D LIKE TO GET, WHEN, WHEN THIS IS DONE FROM A THIS VOTE TODAY ON THIS PIECE, WHEN IT'S FINISHED, WE, WE, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, SAVING COMMUNITIES. 'CAUSE IT SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG DISTRICT SIX IS GONNA BE, THE DISTRICT ONE AND . WE'RE JUST GONNA BE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT MY COMMUNITY, 30, 25, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE'RE ENCASED BY DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING. AND THEN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE WANT THE HIGHER, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHER DENSITY, THE BIGGER ZONING OPPORTUNITIES, AND THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. AND WE'RE GONNA BE STRUGGLING AS THE INNER CITY PORTION, RIGHT? SOONER. LETTER SIX, ANYTHING IN INSIDE 1604 IS GONNA BE THE TODAY'S INSIDE FOUR 10. SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA GET THERE AND GET THAT ANSWER DONE QUICKLY. UM, AGAIN, NOT UNSYMPATHETIC AT ALL TO THE GOALS OF PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAKING SURE, BUT OVERALL, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP. BUT I'D LIKE TO, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, GET AROUND TO THOSE ANSWERS. 'CAUSE AS WE INCENTIVIZE THIS GROWTH AND, AND, AND DO THESE THINGS, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR IDENTITY ARE GONNA GET, UH, THE, ARE USUALLY THE FIRST THING UP ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I, I WANNA PURSUE EVERYWHERE WE CAN IN THE CITY, IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IS BEST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY. AND IN THAT CASE, THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MY COLLEAGUES, UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL ATTEMPTING TO DO TODAY. SO, UH, RIGHT. CONVERSATION I THINK TO HAVE, UH, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR, JUST NOT THE RIGHT TIME. BUT I WANNA GET IT DONE AS SOON AS WE CAN AFTER THIS VOTE. BUT I'M APPRECIATIVE FOR THE STAFF WORK AND, AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY. YES. THANK YOU. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BROCK, HOUSE, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I, I SECONDED THIS MOTION BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE COUNCILMAN BROUGHT FORWARD SOME GOOD POINTS IN THAT THEY WERE WORTHY OF A DISCUSSION BEFORE WE MOVED FORWARD ON THIS. UM, I, UH, I THINK THE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING YESTERDAY ABOUT A HISTORIC AGREEMENT ON THE, ON THE ALAMO, AND, AND I THINK THIS IS HISTORIC TOO. SO, UH, WE WANNA BE VERY THOUGHTFUL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU WORK ON SOMETHING, SOMETIMES THE MORE THINGS YOU FIND, THE MORE YOU LEARN AS YOU'RE GOING ALONG, AND YOU WANNA KEEP, UH, IMPROVING IT. UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, AT SOME POINT WE, WE DO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT, IN, IN, IN ORDER TO, TO GET GOING. UM, BUT NONETHELESS, I DO THINK THIS IS WORTHY OF, OF THE DISCUSSION. SO I'M, I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING IT RIGHT NOW. UM, I DO WANT TO, I GUESS I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION HERE. UH, WHAT THE COUNCILMAN, UH, HAD DISCUSSED WAS, WHAT DENSITY ARE WE SEEING WILL WE BE SEEING UNDER THIS PLAN, ALONG THE MAJOR CORRIDORS? UM, I, I THINK TO, TO BEST ANSWER THE QUESTION, IT WOULD, IT REALLY DEPENDS BECAUSE CORRIDORS, JUST LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND VARIOUS OTHER AREAS OF OUR CITY, THEY'RE ALSO DIFFERENT. UM, CORRIDORS TEND TO HAVE ALMOST CHARACTER AREAS. AND, AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE CONVERSATION, I'LL USE BENDERA ROAD. THERE ARE A NUMBER, THEY'RE DIFFERENT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. YES, MA'AM. UH, THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF, OF PARCELS ALONG BENDERA ROAD THAT ULTIMATELY HAVE CREATED SEVERAL DIFFERENT CHARACTER TYPES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SO MM-HMM. , UM, THERE ARE SOME CORRIDORS THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN URBAN MIXED USE TYPE DENSITY. IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO LEVERAGE TRANSIT INVESTMENTS THAT, THAT ARE IN THE AREA. IF WE CAN MAKE, UM, IM IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, WALKABILITY AND THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF, OF INFRASTRUCTURE, OTHER TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN AGGLOMERATION OF, OF DENSITY ALONG WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING USES AND SO FORTH. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE OTHER AREAS LIKE SAN PEDRO ROAD IN DISTRICT ONE, WHERE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A MAJOR CORRIDOR OF, UH, LINED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. SO THE CHARACTER ALONG THAT CORRIDOR WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHEN WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO, TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT, TO THE IDEA THAT, THAT NO CORRIDOR IS ALIKE, NO NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALIKE, THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE VERY DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDED THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH SUB AREA PLANS. YOU, WHETHER THEY BE REGIONAL CENTER OR COMMUNITY PLANS OR CORRIDOR PLANS THAT RECOMMEND A BLANKET TYPE OF LAND USE FOR ANY ONE AREA, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MAP AND WE HAVE TO HAVE POLICIES THAT ARE LOCALIZED TO THAT SPECIFIC AREA. SO IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, THE COUNCILMAN IS PROPOSING TO HAVE A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT'S MIXED USE MF, UH, 25, UM, THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE [02:20:01] ALONG THE HIGH CAPACITY TRANSIT CORRIDORS. ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE CURRENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION? UH, WHAT I, WITH THE CURRENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE HAVE PROPOSED UP TO MF 18 WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE CATEGORY, WHICH IS WHERE THE COUNCILMAN HAS RECOMMENDED ADDING THE MF 25. UM, SO GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE, AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AT LEAST OUR PROPOSAL TO THE COUNCIL WOULD BE, UH, TO CONTINUE TO BE FAITHFUL TO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE HAD. AND SO WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO THE COMMUNITY SINCE THE BEGINNING THAT M F 18 WOULD BE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF DENSITY IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR CATEGORY. SO WE'RE PROPOSING THAT TODAY AT, UH, TOWARDS THE, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS, IT WOULD BE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE 25 DISTRICT WITHIN THAT CATEGORY. SORRY, YOU PROMISED THAT MF 18 WOULD BE THE HIGHEST DENSITY THEY WOULD SEE ALONG WITHIN THAT LAND USE CATEGORY. NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY WHERE, BUT WITHIN A, WITHIN THE CATEGORY, THE APPLICATION WOULD COME DURING THE CATEGORY, COMMUNITY PLANNING PROCESS CATEGORY, SORRY. AND JUST STATE IT AGAIN, WHICH CATEGORY? UH, THAT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE CATEGORY IS WHAT I BELIEVE I, I HEARD, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. SO, SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT DENSITY, WHY YOU WOULD RECOMMEND A LOWER DENSITY MM-HMM. , UH, FOR MIXED USE THAN JUST, UH, NON-MID USE. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM. SCALED MIXED USE CATEGORY, WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH VARIOUS COMMUNITY, UH, STAKEHOLDERS. UM, AND THERE HAS BEEN THIS CONVERSATION, SOME, SOME LEVEL OF CONSTERNATION RELATED TO DENSITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALED MIXED USE CATEGORY BEING MOST APPROPRIATE ADJACENT TO, TO NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS THE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT THAT CATEGORY WOULD PROVIDE. ADDITIONALLY, THAT CATEGORY WOULD ALSO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO, LET'S SAY, LIVE, UH, IN THE PLACE OF, UH, WHERE THEY'RE CONDUCTING THEIR RETAIL OR CONDUCTING THEIR SERVICE USE. IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE APARTMENTS UPSTAIRS OR CONDOMINIUMS UPSTAIRS OR SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT FACILITY, THEN THE CATEGORY WOULD ALLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY AS WELL. SO GIVEN THE FACT THAT THAT CATEGORY AND THE TEXT WITHIN THE CATEGORY DESCRIBING IT SAYS THAT IT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT LEVEL OF DENSITY WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE THERE. WHAT LEVEL OF DENSITY WOULD THE COMMUNITY BE WILLING TO TOLERATE IF WE'RE CREATING THIS, THIS CATEGORY AT ALL. THIS IS A NEW CATEGORY. OKAY. SO THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO TOLERATE UP TO THAT DENSITY ADJACENT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BELIEVE THEY'RE WILLING TO TOLERATE AN EVEN HIGHER DENSITY WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? NOT NECESSARILY. AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE COMMUNITY MOVES FORWARD THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS IN DETERMINING WHAT, WHAT APPROPRIATE CATEGORY SHOULD BE WITHIN A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. UM, THE EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE EARLIER ABOUT A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MAY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SMALL POCKET WHERE ADDITIONAL DENSITY COULD BE APPROPRIATE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, IS WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY IF THE COMMUNITY FEELS THAT A CENTER NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTIVE OF PARCELS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIGHER DENSITY. UM, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO COMPLETELY JUST SAY THAT THAT WOULD APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD. OKAY. UM, THESE ARE, THIS IS A COMPLICATED CHANGE. IT'S NOT, I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD. SO I'M STILL, UH, PROCESSING THAT. I, I DO HAVE A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS SO COMPLICATED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME, RUDY, WHY ARE WE SEEING THIS ON THE DAAS? THE COUNCILMAN MENTIONED THAT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION YOU GAVE HIM, AS OPPOSED TO INTEGRATING OR DISCUSSING IT AS, AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. UM, THE COUNCILMAN HAD RE IS MAKING THESE AMENDMENTS, THE MF 25, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE, AND THE MF 33, AND THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE MF 33 FROM THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS A, IS A REQUEST THAT COUNCIL INTRAVENOUS IS MAKING TO THE COUNCIL. IT IS NOT PART OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, AN AMENDMENT THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD MAKE. SO, UM, SO BASICALLY STAFF IS NOT REC WOULD HAVE RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT, EVEN IF THIS CAME UP TWO MONTHS AGO, UM, BECAUSE IT HAS NOT BEEN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH. UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE ADVOCATING FOR TODAY? YES, MA'AM. AND, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE PROCESS HERE. UM, SO HERE WE ARE AT, AT COUNCIL VOTING ON SOMETHING EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT . UM, WAS THIS DISCUSSED AT, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT COMMITTEE? THE COMMITTEE DEDICATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE MET ON JUNE 20TH MM-HMM. , WHICH IS AT THE, BECAUSE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY, THEY REC, THEY HEARD A BRIEFING ON THE 20TH. UH, THE CITY COUNCIL HERE CONSIDERED IT ON THE 21ST AND ASKED THAT IT BE REMANDED BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE. AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING COMMITTEE OVER THE SUMMER. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT, WE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE MORE ROUND OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS THAT WERE GONNA BE CONDUCTED BY THE ARAB AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS CHAPTER LOCALLY. AND SO FOLLOWING THAT, IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED AT THE C P C [02:25:01] THAT WE SHOULD BRING IT BACK ON THIS STATE. OKAY. SO, C P C SAID, WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANY REVISIONS THAT OCCUR AFTER A I A, BASICALLY, THE C P C DID NOT SUGGEST FOR OR AGAINST ANY, ANY REVISIONS AT THAT TIME. NO MOTION WAS MADE RELATED TO REVISIONS AT THE C P C, BUT THEY, THEY BASICALLY SAID, WE ARE OKAY WITH WHATEVER HAPPENS. IT DOES NOT NEED TO COME BACK TO THE C P C. THEY, THEY DIDN'T REQUEST TO SEE ANY CHANGES AFTER THAT ROUND OF ENGAGEMENT. CORRECT, MA'AM. THEY FORWARDED IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING. OKAY. UM, SO I JUST THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT PROCESS TO ME. IT, IT HELPS ME, UM, SORT OF PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER, HOW, HOW WE ENDED UP HERE TO TODAY. UM, I DO WANNA MAKE JUST A, A, A COMMENT AND, UM, THIS IS, SO WE HAVE A PROCESS AT CITY HALL, UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROCESS THAT, THAT THE CITY MANAGER STARTED, UH, IT'S CALLED A HIGH PROFILE SOLICITATION FOR, FOR CONTRACTS, RIGHT? THINGS THAT ARE EXTREMELY CONTROVERSIAL THAT WE WANNA HAVE ABOVE BOARD. THERE IS, THERE IS A VERY CLEAR PROCESS ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER STARTING TO DO THAT FOR HIGH PROFILE POLICY THAT WE, THAT WE BRING FORWARD. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVEN BACK ON JUNE 21ST, AND THIS IS NO ATTACK ON YOU AT ALL, UN UNDERSTOOD. I'M JUST BRINGING UP A, A, A DISCUSSION ITEM. EVEN BACK ON JUNE 21ST. I THINK THERE WAS, UM, SOME UNCERTAINTY ABOUT, WELL, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO DO THE OUTREACH WHEN WE HAVE A MAJOR CHANGE COMING TO COUNCIL? BUT WE DIDN'T TAKE IT BACK TO THE STAKEHOLDERS. AND, UH, I PUT FORWARD A C C R CALLED ADVANCING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND THANK YOU, RUDY, YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE TAKEN NOTICE AND YOU'RE STARTING TO INTEGRATE, UH, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I, I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE TO MY COLLEAGUES THAT I THINK WE DO NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE A HIGH PROFILE POLICY ITEM, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE GONNA BE OUR STANDARDS, WHAT ARE GONNA BE OUR EXPECTATIONS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN, CAN EXPECT FROM US, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO THEM, WHEN WE'RE GONNA GO TO COMMITTEE, ALL, ALL THAT STUFF. UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE IT. RUDY. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. COUNCILMAN EZ. THANK YOU. THERE'S, UM, THERE'S AN OLD COWBOY SAYING THAT SAYS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU BEST NOT PUT ON YOUR SPURS . UM, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M GONNA DO HERE, UH, . UH, BUT I, WHAT I DO THINK IS, I HAVEN'T HEARD ENOUGH, AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF REALLY GOOD POINTS, AND, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IF MR. TREVINO HAS ANY GOOD ANSWERS TO THIS, BECAUSE I, I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT YOU'VE GOTTA SAY. AND SO NOW THAT I'VE CHIMED IN, MAYOR, I KIND OF REGRET IT , AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT, WHAT COUNCILMAN TREVINO HAS TO SAY. THANKS, MAYOR. I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN, ARE YOU YIELDING THE FLOOR TO COUNCILMAN TREVINO? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IN THE QUEUE. UH, IF WE CAN, WELL ACTUALLY JUST ONE, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN TREVINO, IF THAT'S OKAY. ALRIGHT. COUNCILMAN SHAW. THANKS, MAYOR. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. I GOT IT. UM, , I HAD MY QUESTIONS. YOU ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS DAYS BEFORE TODAY, SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM. UM, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF, OF COUNCILMAN VINNO, AND I'M SURE WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT, UM, AS I'VE DISCUSSED WITH HIM, AS WELL AS MY, MY COLLEAGUES, I'LL BE, UH, UH, SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND CAN, LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING CONVERSATION REGARDING THE AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SHAW. COUNCILMAN TREVINO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I JUST, I GUESS I HAVE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT I, I KEPT COMING UP BECAUSE IT, IT FEELS LIKE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO SEPARATE THINGS NOW. AND, UM, YOU MADE A GREAT POINT, MAYOR, WHEN YOU SAID, LET'S KEEP IT PERTINENT TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT I MADE. AND WHAT, WHAT I THINK IS BEING SUGGESTED IS THAT, AGAIN, THAT, THAT, UH, THIS JUST CAME UP. SO, RUDY, I WOULD ASK YOU, DID THIS JUST COME UP IN TERMS OF THE FULL PACKAGE OF AMENDMENTS THAT IS SUBMITTED? I'M, I'M TALKING FROM ME, FROM MY OFFICE AND, AND WORKING WITH YOU MM-HMM. MM-HMM. AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. DID THIS JUST COME UP, AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT THEM ON MONDAY, THE MF 33 YES. HAS BEEN PART OF A LONGSTANDING CONVERSATION WITH YOUR OFFICE AND ALSO WITH, WITH A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I DID SEE THAT. AND I THINK, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE RECOMMENDATION THOUGH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST HEARING ABOUT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. SO, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S KEY, THAT'S CRITICAL BECAUSE I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND, AND, AND I CERTAINLY WANT, UH, WANT TO BE A PROPONENT OF PROCESS. AND PROCESS IS IMPORTANT. WE, WE WANT TO HAVE A ROBUST, UH, COMMUNITY DISCUSSION. WE WANT TO, UH, BE AS ENGAGED AS WE CAN WITH OUR RESIDENTS. UH, POINT, IN FACT, THIS, THIS PLANNING IS FOR THE RESIDENTS. AND, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN BRINGING THIS ISSUE UP SINCE DAY ONE. UM, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IF, IF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ARE CONFUSED, [02:30:01] IT, IT, IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE IT'S BY DESIGN. AND, AND THEN, AND TO, TO SUGGEST THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT JUST CAME UP, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT I TAKE EXCEPTION TO. UM, SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT. YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH ME, AND I THINK WE'RE OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE UP HERE TO, TO DISCUSS POLICY. AND WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. SO I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR, LET'S TALK ABOUT THESE AMENDMENTS, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY MEAN. BUT I TAKE EXCEPTION WITH ANYBODY SUGGESTING THAT I JUST BROUGHT THIS UP. I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THIS IS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS IS ABOUT THE CHARACTER. THIS IS ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS THAT KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I, I, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHY THIS IS EVEN BEING SAID AT ALL. I'M SORRY, I'VE CONFUSED SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES. UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MEAN TO, UH, BUT, UH, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO TRY TO, UH, HELP CLARIFY SOME OF THIS. UH, I TAKE, I TAKE THIS ROLE VERY SERIOUSLY, AND I, AND I'LL TELL YOU, EVERY ONE OF MY STAFF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY CHRISSY, HAS BEEN WORKING, UH, DILIGENTLY ON THIS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. AND I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK, WORK, AND I RESPECT THE WORK THAT GOES INTO, UH, THESE, THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS. UM, BUT CHRISSY HAS WORKED WITH, UH, OTHER COUNCIL STAFFS. WE, WE'VE BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP. WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THIS ISSUE UP, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR, FOR WHAT I HAVE EXPERIENCED AND WHAT, WHAT MY DISTRICT HAS EXPERIENCED AS INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT. AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY FORWARD. SO I, I ASK FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. I REALIZE THAT, THAT THERE IS, UH, A LOT OF CONFUSION, BUT, UH, LET'S, I, I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS, UH, ON SUCH AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES MY DISTRICT IS FACING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN TREVINO. AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS. UM, SO LET ME JUST SAY FIRST THAT I'M NOT CONFUSED. IN FACT, UM, FOR THOSE OF US, MOST OF US ACTUALLY, WHO, WHO'VE BEEN UP HERE WORKING ON SA TOMORROW, EVEN AS, AS PRIOR TO COMING ON COUNCIL, COULD SEE THIS TRAIN COMING A MILE AWAY. AND THAT IS THAT THE PREMISE OF SA TOMORROW. AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS TO, NUMBER ONE, ACCOMMODATE AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. AND THE FACT THAT THOSE INCOMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN DISTRICT ONE ARE STARTING TO BLEED OVER INTO EVERY SINGLE OTHER DISTRICT, AND THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. AND WITHOUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S GONNA BE EVEN WORSE AS WE EXPECT NEW DEVELOPMENT TO ARISE, PARTICULARLY AS WE'RE GETTING TO SOME REALLY SERIOUS POLICY, UM, DISCUSSIONS AND RESOLVING AND IMBALANCE IN HOUSING THAT'S OCCURRED. THERE'S GONNA BE WAY MORE DEVELOPMENT, GOOD QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HOPE, UH, ADDRESSES A DRASTIC NEED IN HOUSING THAT OUR CITY HAS CURRENTLY TODAY. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE RULES OF THE ROAD, IF WE DON'T HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE COORDINATED LAND USE PLAN, THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OCCURRING IN DISTRICT ONE AND THE REASONS THAT TIER ONE GOT TOGETHER AS A COALITION WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GET WORSE. SO LET ME FIRST, UM, LET ME SAY IN ADDITION TO THAT, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILMAN TREVINO, UH, HAS BEEN DOING. UM, THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS. THE COALITION HAS A SEAT AT THE TABLE BECAUSE OF COUNCILMAN TNO. UM, AND THE, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN DURING THOSE MEETINGS AND THE INTENSE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HAVE NOT GONE ON DEAF EARS. IN FACT, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, UH, IN MY TIME WORKING ON SA TOMORROW, UH, ON THESE VERY LAND USE CATEGORIES. I'LL ALSO SAY, UH, I TAKE MY PREVIOUS ROLE AS A DISTRICT EIGHT CITY COUNCIL MEMBER PRETTY SERIOUSLY IN THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL, BECAUSE ROSS LAWHEAD HAS BEEN A FREQUENTER IN CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE PLANS AND THAT THEY'RE PROTECTED IN THE FUTURE. SO, LET ME CLARIFY ONE POINT, AND THIS WAS TRUE IN THE PREAMBLE OF SA, TOMORROW WHEN WE'RE CREATING NEW LAND USE PLANS, WHEN WE'RE DEF RESOLVING SOME OF THE LAND USE CATEGORY, UM, CONTRADICTIONS, ONE OF THE PREMISES IS WE'RE DOING THAT TO PROTECT THE NAB THE INTEGRITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AS SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES TO MAKE CHANGES, UH, TO LAND USE CATEGORIES, ZONING CATEGORIES, ZONING DISTRICTS, WHEN WE SEE THAT THIS [02:35:01] MAP THAT WE'VE APPLIED TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DOESN'T WORK RIGHT IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, UM, NOBODY LIKES TO SAY DOWN ZONING IN THIS CHAMBER, BUT IT'S TRUE. WE MAY HAVE TO DOWN ZONE A FEW PLACES IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S INCOMPATIBLE. AND THAT'S THE REALITY. AND IT TAKES A BIT OF FORTITUDE TO DO IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO IT, AND WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, WE HAVE TO ARRIVE AT A POINT, I THINK, WITH THIS LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE MOST NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE MOST NEIGHBORHOODS. AND OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE TO DO THEIR JOBS IN MAKING SURE THEY ELECT PEOPLE WHO RESPOND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS. AND THAT'S NOT JUST TRUE WHEN WE'RE DEFINING WHAT THE LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE TODAY. UM, BUT THAT'S TRUE IN THE FUTURE. UM, SO WITH REGARD TO THE AMENDMENTS, THERE IS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FUNDAMENTAL REALIZATIONS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAPPENED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, UM, DURING SA TOMORROW. ONE OF THEM IS THAT WE AGREE THAT WE NEED TO DENSIFY CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN. THAT'S THE REALITY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOW FOR HIGHER DENSITY, EASIER, HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR WHERE IT'S COMPATIBLE, WHERE IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. WE NEED TO DO OUR JOBS TO PROTECT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. ROSS'S NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN IN OAKLAND STATES NEEDS TO RETAIN THE STRENGTH AND BOUNDARIES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS TODAY, AND NOT BE OVERRUN BY LAND USE CHANGES IN A BIGGER MAP. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE COMMITTED TO, AND I KNOW THAT MANNY IS COMMITTED TO, AND, AND, AND FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL AS WELL. THE SECOND, UH, ISSUE OR SECOND REALIZATION THROUGH SA TOMORROW IS THAT WE DON'T JUST HAVE ONE URBAN CORE. WE HAVE NINE OF THEM. IN FACT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE 13 OF THEM WHEN THE REAL POPULATION BOOM OCCURS. AND WITHIN THOSE URBAN CORES, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FOCUS A LOT OF RESOURCES TO BUILD THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF LAND USE CATEGORIES BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE, AND ALSO TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH AND THE DENSITY THAT'S GONNA OCCUR SO WE CAN PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS. ALL THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS. I AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I ALSO AGREE, UH, WITH MY COLLEAGUE THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE IT'S JUST NOT GONNA WORK THE WAY IT'S INTENDED. AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO SEE SOME CCRS. WE MIGHT HAVE TO SEE SOME INDIVIDUAL ACTION TO PROTECT AREAS THAT AREN'T TOTALLY COMPATIBLE. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO LEVEL SET WITH EVERYONE TODAY THAT THIS IS NO SURPRISE. I ALSO DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROCESS. UM, WE MIGHT NEED TO SEE MORE OF THESE ACTIONS ON THE FLY, BUT IT IS TRUE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT. IT'S NOT A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY. AND THIS IS REALLY WHY WE SAID FROM THE VERY START OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS, ALL THAT FURY OVER ACTUALLY PASSING THE PLAN, FINALLY GETTING TO THE POINT, WHAT WAS IT TWO YEARS AGO NOW, TO PASS ESSAY TOMORROW? THAT WAS THE EASY PART. THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD. IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HIGH QUALITY COMMUNITY, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A, A CITY THAT CAN BENEFIT OR, OR THAT CAN GUARANTEE QUALITY OF LIFE IN EVERY CORNER OF THE DISTRICT, WHETHER YOU'RE IN BEACON HILL OR IN ANY OF THE OTHER TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOODS, OR IN OAKLAND ESTATES OR IN A HIGH DENSITY AREA LIKE SOUTH TOWN, WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WORKS. AND WE HAVE TO BE COMMITTED IN THIS COUNCIL AND MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE SOME PRETTY TOUGH DECISIONS, UM, THAT STARTS TODAY, IN MY OPINION. I AGREE WITH THE COUNCILWOMAN WHO SAID, THIS IS KIND OF HISTORIC. IT IS. UH, BUT IT ALSO MEANS THAT STARTING TODAY, WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO IDENTIFY THE AREAS WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND TO MAKE CHANGES AS MUCH AS WE GIVE YOU HEADACHES, THERE'S MORE COMING RUDY AND BRIDGETTE. BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THIS PLAN, UH, THE WAY I THINK OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND OUR COUNCIL BEFORE AND AFTER HAVE INTENDED. SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF COUNCILMAN TNO IN HIS OFFICE, UM, AND COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL AS WELL, WHO, UM, ACTUALLY HAS TIER ONE FOLKS, UH, IN HER OFFICE, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS RIGHT. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND, UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TODAY. ALRIGHT. THERE ARE NO OTHER, UH, WELL, YEAH, COUNCILMAN FLIES. I, I HATE DOING THIS 'CAUSE I, THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. UH, AND I, I WISH I COULD, I, I, I WANT TO ECHO TO ONE THING, AND THEN I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. UM, UH, I WILL FIGHT YOU TOOTH AND NAIL IF WE, IF I EVER SEE THAT WE ARE DOING ANYTHING TO IMPERIL THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIMIT, YOU KNOW, WE, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO [02:40:01] HAVE LIMITLESS RESOURCES. THEY DON'T, RIGHT? AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO PROTECTING THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS IS HUGE. AND THEY'VE DONE IT DESPITE THE FACT THAT FACT THAT THEY GOT DAY JOBS AND FAMILIES TO TAKE CARE OF. AND, YOU KNOW, ROSS IS DOING THIS PRO BONO, UH, AND SO WORD OF WARNING, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SCREAM AND YELL AT YOU. UH, YOU KNOW, IF I EVER SEE ANYTHING THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO THAT. THANKS ROSS, FOR COMING OUT. UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, CO COUNCILMAN TREVINO, UM, I'M STILL, I'M, I'M STILL CONFUSED. I HATE TELLING YOU THAT. UH, AND SO WHAT I, I WALKED IN HERE TODAY WANTING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TWO AMENDMENTS AS WELL. I'M, I'VE TAKEN MINE BACK JUST TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE. THE COMMITMENT I MAKE TO YOU IS I STILL WANNA TAKE A STAB AT MAKING SOME MINOR TWEAKS ON MY END AS WELL. UM, AND I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON YOURS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT IF YOU CAN TRUST ME ON THAT IS TO TRUST ME ON THAT. UH, AND SO, UM, BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN PIA. OKAY, SO THERE ARE TWO MOTIONS ON THE FLOOR. UH, WE'LL TAKE UP THE SECONDARY MOTION FIRST, WHICH IS, UH, THE MO THE MO, THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY COUNCILMAN TREVINO, SECONDED BY COUNCIL AND SANDOVAL. SO THIS IS, UH, THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY COUNCILMAN TREVINO. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION FAILS NOW. WE'LL MOVE NOW TO THE PRIMARY MOTION, WHICH IS THE, UH, MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN GRO FOR ITEM 15. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT AND IN THIS, UH, THIS EPISODE OF SA TOMORROW WILL CONTINUE TO THE NEXT EDITION. UM, ITEM NUMBER 20. ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A RESOLUTION INITIATING HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 9 0 5. NO ALITO STREET PARCELS INCLUDE 9 0 1, 9 0 3, 9 0 5, AND NINE 11 NOS. AND 1 18, 1 20 AND 1 22. RALPH AND WAIVING ALL RELATED FEES. UH, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ, SHANNON IS SARAH. STAFF PRESENTATION. I KNOW WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY COLLEAGUES, IF WE COULD, UH, GIVE THE PRESENTATION AGAIN. SURE, OF COURSE. I'LL, I'LL . UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A RESOLUTION TO INITIATE, UH, REZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AT 9 0 5, NO GTOS. UM, IT IS A, UM, HISTORIC GAS STATION PROPERTY THAT IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT FIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP. UM, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, BUT ONLY BUILDING NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE, UM, PURE OIL GAS STATION BUILT IN 1935 IS OF CONCERN. UM, THE OTHER PROPERTIES ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING, SO IF THE PROPERTY WERE TO BE DESIGNATED, THE THE NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES COULD BE REMOVED. UM, THE, THE PROPERTY, AS I MENTIONED, WAS BUILT IN 1935. IT IS A, IT, A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS PURE OIL GAS STATION. IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, THERE ARE SIX AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT ARE LISTED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER, AND THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN ADAPTIVELY REUSED FOR THINGS LIKE CAFES AND RESTAURANTS AND, AND BUSINESSES. IT DOES MEET, UH, SIX OF THE 16 CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION. IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION, A PROPERTY MUST MEET AT LEAST THREE. AND JUST A QUICK REMINDER, AS, UH, COUNCILMAN GONZALEZ MENTIONED, YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS CASE BEFORE IT DID COME. UM, THE RESOLUTION CAME PREVIOUSLY AND WAS CONTINUED, UM, SO THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO TRY TO FIND ALTERNATIVES FOR DEMOLITION. UH, SINCE THAT TIME, UH, THERE WAS AN OFFER, UH, AN OFFER MADE BY THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY THAT HASN'T BEEN ACCEPTED AT THIS TIME. BUT, UM, IT, IT WAS A, A GOOD, STRONG, FAIR, UH, OFFER. AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY IN, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DEVELOPERS, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY. IF THIS RESOLUTION WERE APPROVED TODAY, THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL DESIGNATION, UM, BECAUSE THE OWNER IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION, THE RESOLUTION WOULD ENABLE US TO TAKE THE ZONING REQUEST TO THE ZONING COMMISSION, AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL, UM, TO CONSIDER THE ACTUAL DESIGNATION ITSELF. AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS RESOLUTION. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WHEN THE, WHEN WE'RE IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION WHERE THE OWNER ISN'T IN FAVOR OF DESIGNATION, UM, IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU DON'T, THERE AREN'T AS, [02:45:01] THERE AREN'T ALTERNATIVES NECESSARILY, BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THE REUSE OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE VIABLE ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION IN THIS CASE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS COUNCILWOMAN. UM, WE HAVE TWO CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. WE'LL START WITH SUSAN BEVIN. I WAS GONNA SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT IT'S NOT ANY LONGER. . SUSAN BEVIN 1 9 8 0 7 SCENIC LOOP ROAD. HE LOTUS, TEXAS, THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY URGES THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING BUILT IN. AND WE HAVE 1934. THIS IS THE ONLY SURVIVING STATION FROM SAN ANTONIO'S PURE ORAL COMPANY. IT HAS ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND MEETS SIX OF THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION. AS SHANNON JUST MENTIONED, IT IS ONE OF THE TOP 30 MOST SIGNIFICANT STATIONS IDENTIFIED IN A SURVEY OF OVER 1500 GAS STATIONS. THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY BEGAN. IT WAS A SURVEY THAT WE BEGAN IN 1983. DESIGNATION OF THE GAS STATION AFFECTS ROUGHLY 12% OF A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY, PROVIDING A WIDE RANGE OF ECONOMICALLY VIABLE OPTIONS FOR THE OWNER. IN A CITY. WITH SO MANY SUCCESSFULLY PRESERVE GAS STATIONS, THIS BUILDING ADDS VALUE TO THE SITE, MAKING IT A PRIME CANDIDATE FOR REDEVELOPMENT. UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCILWOMAN SHIRLEY GONZALEZ, THE SOCIETY MADE A GENEROUS OFFER TO BUY THIS PROPERTY AND ENGAGED ARCHITECTS TO ILLUSTRATE A PLAN FOR THE SITE'S REDEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVATION OF THE GAS STATION. AS WELL. WE REMAIN READY TO ASSIST IN THE IMPROVEMENT OF THIS SITE AND HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS DESIGNATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. BEVIN. ROB KILLEN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M ROB KILLEN, 100 WEST HOUSTON STREET. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF MARIA HETO, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. MARIA IS ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC FOR HER PROPERTY. NOW, UH, YOU MAY RECALL AND TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE'RE HERE SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO. MARIA'S PARENTS CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AS IMMIGRANTS. THEY MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO, THEY BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, THEY BUILT BUSINESSES, INCLUDING THE GAS STATION. AND WHEN MARIA'S DAD PASSED AWAY, HE LEFT THE PROPERTY TO MARIA AS HER LEGACY. MARIA IS NOW 98 YEARS OLD. SHE'S MOVED OUT OF STATE. SHE IS IN ASSISTED LIVING, AND SHE'S ON A FIXED INCOME. SHE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY. SHE WENT TO THE CITY LAST YEAR AND ASKED TO HAVE THIS BUILDING REMOVED SO SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND, AND DEAL WITH THOSE KINDS OF ISSUES, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, IF SHE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, THE CITY COMES OUT AND STARTS ISSUING CITATIONS. SO THE CITY IS FORCING HER TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. SHE CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE. SO WHEN SHE MADE THAT REQUEST TO THE CITY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, DESIGNATE, DESIGNATE, THIS PROPERTY HAS HISTORIC, AND THE CONSERVATION SIDE DID MAKE AN OFFER TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. BUT QUITE FRANKLY, MARIA WANTS TO LEAVE THIS TO HER DAUGHTERS. AND QUITE FRANKLY, SHE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO LEAVE IT TO HER DAUGHTERS. SHE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN SELLING THE PROPERTY AND HAVING TO PAY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT SHE CAN'T AFFORD TO MAINTAIN IT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION WOULD DO. NOW, THIS GAS STATION HASN'T HAD A, A TENANT IN 20 YEARS. MARIA'S ONLY SIN IS THAT SHE DIDN'T REMOVE THE BUILDING 20 YEARS AGO IN THE LAST TENANT MOVED OUT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T REMOVE IT 20 YEARS AGO. SHE'S BEING PUNISHED NOW FOR KEEPING IT, MAINTAINING IT, LEAVING ON THE TAX ROLLS. AND NOW WHEN SHE CAN'T AFFORD IT ANY LONGER, SHE'S GONNA BE, UH, DEPRIVED THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS PROPERTY. AND SO IF THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION PASSES, SHE WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP THE PROPERTY THAT HER FATHER LEFT HER. YOU'LL BE FORCING HER TO SELL AGAINST HER WILL. SO I ASK YOU, PLEASE DENY THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. KILLEN. COUNCILMAN GONZALEZ. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND, UM, THANK YOU TO, UH, THE Y'ALL FOR COMING AND GIVING, UH, SOME, UH, EXAMPLES OF REALLY WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THIS LOCATION. UM, ASKING FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION AGAINST THE OWNER'S WISHES IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I TAKE LIGHTLY. UH, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, OR AT LEAST A FULL YEAR, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THIS EXERCISE OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH, UH, OUR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY. UH, BUT THE LOCATION IS REALLY IDEAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT. UH, IT'S A LOVELY LOCATION AT [02:50:01] SARRA AND RALPH, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, DID A $10 MILLION RENOVATION TO THEIR FACILITY, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE KIPP ACADEMY, IT WAS JUST BUILT THERE, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THERE'S 1200 STUDENTS, UH, EVERY DAY GOING TO THAT KIPP ACADEMY. AND IT WOULD BE A LOVELY LOCATION FOR, UH, A COFFEE SHOP OR A SANDWICH SHOP, OR A TACO PLATE SHOP OR AN OFFICE BUILDING FOR THAT MATTER. I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF POTENTIAL USES THERE. THE ONLY THE SMALL, UH, GAS STATION IS DESIGNATED FOR HISTORIC. UM, ALL THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS COULD BE REMOVED. UH, AND I SEE INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL HERE. SO ONE OF THE ONLY UNIQUE QUALITIES WE HAVE IN DISTRICT FIVE IS OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES. UH, OTHERWISE, UM, WE ALL KNOW THE BLIGHT THAT WE SUFFER IN OUR COMMUNITY. UH, AND SO HAVING THE POTENTIAL TO REVITALIZE THOSE, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I, I TAKE, UH, VERY SERIOUSLY AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT RENOVATION. UH, I SAW THE PLANS THAT THE HISTORIC, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY PROPOSED. UH, THEY'RE VERY CREATIVE. I THINK IT WAS A GENEROUS OFFER. IT WAS A STARTING POINT. THERE WAS ALWAYS ROOM TO NEGOTIATE, UH, AS I UNDERSTOOD WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL IN FIVE YEARS, THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY THAT I'VE SEEN THAT THE, HIS, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAS COME FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL. UH, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM TO RESTORE HISTORIC PLACE AND HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CURRENT OWNER COULD WORK WITH THE HISTORIC SOCIETY TO DO THAT IF HE OR SHE CHOOSES. UH, SO, UM, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THEY CAN SELL IT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POTENTIAL GREAT POTENTIAL THERE. SO IT'S NOT THAT I A DECISION THAT I TAKE, UM, LIGHTLY, BUT I ASK FOR MY COLLEAGUES TO SUPPORT ME AS I MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THIS HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE. OKAY, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 20. COUNCILMAN PALAIS. THANKS. I I JUST RECEIVED A, A TEXT THAT THE STATE OF WASHINGTON HAS OUTLAWED OR ABOLISHED THE DEATH PENALTY, AND I'M THINKING OF MOVING TO THE STATE OF WASHINGTON FOR HAVING DISAPPOINTED, NOT ONE, BUT ANOTHER CITY COUNCIL, UH, COLLEAGUE TODAY, , UH, AND VOTING AGAINST YOUR, UH, UM, YOUR MOTION. I, AND, AND THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING THAT IS NOT BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING THAT IS BECAUSE I'VE, I AM HANDLING TWO ALMOST IDENTICAL CASES IN, UH, IN OTHER CITY FOR A CLIENT. UH, AND I'M HAVING A TOUGH TIME, YOU KNOW, MAKING MY HORSE DRINK WATER THAT I'M NOT WILLING TO DRINK MYSELF. AND SO I'VE GOT A, UM, THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON, UH, COUNCILWOMAN SOUND OF HOLLAND. UH, I HAVE, AND I APPRECIATE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY FOR DOING HARD WORK. THAT'S NOT EASY TO PUT YOUR MONEY ON THERE. UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, MR. KILLEN, I, I HAVE A FEELING THEIR, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THEIR OFFER IS REALLY REASON REASONABLE. AND I'D ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS REALLY TO SIT DOWN AND ENGAGE IN SOME GOOD FAITH NEGOTIATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PLI, THAT'S EVERYONE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. UM, HEARING NONE WILL MOVE THE QUESTION. OH, COUNCILMAN PERRY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU, SIR. SORRY FOR THE LATE CHIME IN HERE. BUT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TOUGH ONES ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND, UH, UH, THEN PRESERVING OUR HISTORY AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, AND MS. BEVIN, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION MANY TIMES WHEN I WAS ON THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, WHETHER WE SHOULD, UH, CONTINUE TO, UM, KEEP A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, AND BASICALLY FORCING THE OWNERS TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT WHO THEN SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT, UH, AGAIN, YOU SAID THERE WAS AN OFFER MADE ON THIS, THIS FACILITY TO, UH, ACTUALLY PURCHASE IT AND RESTORE IT. OKAY. UH, THAT, THAT WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT I PUSHED FOR ON THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WAS, UH, HEY, IF Y'ALL WANT TO KEEP THESE THINGS, Y'ALL NEED TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY OR COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE A REASONABLE, FAIR OFFER TO, UH, TO KEEP THOSE FACILITIES AND, AND, UH, REHAB 'EM AND BRING 'EM BACK UP TO WHAT YOU WANT FOR, UH, PRESERVING OUR HISTORY. SO, UH, I'M GLAD THAT THAT STEP HAS TAKEN. I HOPE TO SEE MORE OF THESE IN, IN THE FUTURE. AND, AND IF, IF THAT WEREN'T THE CASE, I, I WOULD SAY I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT. BUT IF, IF AN OFFER HAS BEEN MADE AND I, I'LL SUPPORT, UH, UM, COUNCILWOMAN [02:55:01] GONZALEZ ON THIS, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF PRESERVATION, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO MAKE THOSE OFFERS AND, AND, AND DO THOSE REHABS. SO, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENT, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN PERRY. COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL. UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO ECHO THE COUNCILMAN'S COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS CAME UP A FEW MONTHS AGO, UM, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, THE EXACT SAME THING AS PROPERTY RIGHTS AND WHAT THE OWNER WAS WILLING TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. BUT I'M GLAD THAT THE COUNCILWOMAN HAS, UH, HAS BEEN ABLE TO WORK THIS WITH THE, UH, WITH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. THANKS FOR NOT GIVING UP, BUT, UM, I ALSO WANNA COMMEND THE COUNCILWOMAN. SHE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ONE OF THE TREASURES IN DISTRICT FIVE ARE THE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND I CAN, I THINK IT DOES HAVE TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL. SO CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILWOMAN ON, ON KEEPING THAT BUILDING. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL. COUNCILMAN SALDANA? YES, MAYOR. THANK, THANK YOU. I WANT TO, UH, COMMEND BOTH THE COUNCILWOMAN AND THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY ON DOING THE BEST THEY CAN TO, TO THREAD THE NEEDLE ON SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO CONTEND WITH EMOTIONALLY FROM, FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE. AND TRY TO SEPARATE YOURSELF FROM THE FACT THAT WE BELIEVE, UH, WITHOUT A SHADOW, I AT LEAST LET ME SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I BELIEVE WITHOUT A SHADOW OF DOUBT THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, A TREASURED, UH, REIMAGINED, REDEVELOPED PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE. AND WE'LL LOOK BACK AND SAY, GOSH, IF WE HAD JUST NOT SUPPORTED THAT, WE MIGHT'VE LOST A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REDEVELOP SOMETHING THAT FOLKS GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO VISIT AND ADMIRE. AND, UH, I CONSIDER, UM, THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER, ROB, WHO IS 98. AND, AND I THINK THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS THAT, UM, THE TIMING OF, OF THIS, MAYBE IF IT WAS 10 OR 20 YEARS AGO, AND, UH, THEY COULD PREDICT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS MOVING IN ITS DIRECTION THAT WAS WAY TOO FUZZY MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO, BUT WOULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED INVESTMENTS LIKE SAN PEDRO CREEK OR INVESTMENTS OF NONPROFITS IN THE AREA. UM, I TRULY THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'LL BE A WIN FOR SAN ANTONIO. AND IT'S IN THE UNFORTUNATE PREDICAMENT OF BEING BETWEEN A PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS A, UM, A DIFFERENT DECISION TO MAKE, WHICH I RESPECT. BUT I, I TRULY BELIEVE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE POINT TO 'CAUSE OF THE, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S LEADERSHIP, WHICH WE POINT TO ALREADY IN ELEMENTS ALL ACROSS THE CITY TODAY, UH, AND THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COUNCILWOMAN IN DOING THIS. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SALANA. COUNCILMAN BROCKO. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, JUST A QUICK PROCESS QUESTION. SO THE VOTE IT GOES TO AND BE, IT HAS TO COME BACK AS A SUPER MAJORITY IF, IF, BECAUSE SHE'S AGAINST DESIGNATION. I, I, I'D NEVER HAVE ENCOUNTERED THAT BEFORE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YES, I BELIEVE THAT IS TRUE. AND, AND YES, IT WOULD FIRST GO TO ZONING COMMISSION, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL CONSIDERATION OF THE REZONING, WHICH IS THE DESIGNATION, AND THEN THE REZONING, UM, DESIGNATION CA CASE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL. AND WHEN THE OWNER IS APPROVED, IT IS A SUPER MAJORITY, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND, OKAY, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS. SO JUST FROM A, YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY RIGHTS PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT'S GOT ME KIND OF HUNG UP ON THIS ONE. SO NO MATTER WHAT IT COMES BACK, IT'S GOTTA BE NINE VOTES IN TO CLEAR THE, TO CLEAR THE HURDLE. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BROCK HOUSE. UM, THAT'S EVERYONE WHO'S, UH, CHIMED IN FOR DISCUSSION. UH, TO CLARIFY, UM, SHANNON, COULD YOU COME UP BACK UP AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE ITEM BEFORE US TODAY IS TO PROCEED OR TO INITIATE THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS. CORRECT. UM, DURING WHICH TIME THERE'LL BE ZONING, UH, DISCUSSION AS WELL AS FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE OWNER AND WITH THE, UM, WITH YOU ALL CORRECT ABOUT THE ACTUAL, UH, DESIGNATION. AND, AND THEN WE'LL SEE THIS. DO YOU HAVE A TIME PERIOD FOR, FOR THIS COMING BACK TO COUNCIL? UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL DATES YET, BUT WE WILL, UM, SCHEDULE IT FOR THE FIRST AVAILABLE ZONING COMMISSION DATE AND THEN OKAY. WE WILL FOLLOW BACK TO COUNCIL RIGHT AWAY. OKAY, GREAT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SHANNON. SURE. ALRIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 20. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES. ALRIGHT, IS THERE A, UH, CITY MANAGER'S REPORT? UH, MAYOR, JUST A COUPLE OF ITEMS QUICKLY. I WANT TO UPDATE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE 2017 NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS BOND PROGRAM. IT IS WELL UNDERWAY. YOU KNOW THAT IN MAY OF 2017, THE VOTERS APPROVED $20 MILLION IN NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS. THE PROGRAM ALLOWS THE CITY TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY WITHIN 12 APPROVED NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT AREAS INCLUDED IN OUR URBAN RENEWAL PLAN. AND OF COURSE, THE BOND FUNDS ARE TO BE USED TO FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED USE, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE [03:00:01] CITY IS NOT GOING TO BE BUILDING THE HOUSING, BUT RATHER WE'LL USE NON-PROFIT AND PRIVATE SECTOR HOUSING DEVELOPERS TO BUILD AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF DEPUTY CITY MANAGER PETER ZONI, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DIRECTOR, VERONICA SOTO, AND JAMIE, JAMIE LOLLY, DAMRON A HOUSING BOND PROGRAM ADMINISTRATOR, THE STAFF HAS EVALUATED SEVERAL HUNDRED SITES, AND AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE SEVERAL SITES UNDER CONTRACT AND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO BE MAKING THIS AGGRESSIVE PROGRESS. THE FIRST PROJECTS ARE LOCATED IN DISTRICTS 5, 8, 2, 3, AND FOUR AND MORE TO COME ON THAT STAFF CONSIDER, UH, CONTINUES TO PURSUE THE MOST VIABLE COST-EFFECTIVE AND IMPACTFUL SITES TO DELIVER NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT BOND PROGRAM PROJECTS, MAXIMIZING THE LEVERAGING RESOURCES AND FUNDING ACROSS ALL PROG ALL PROGRAMS LOCALLY AND AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND AS YOU WILL RECALL, THE BOND COMMITTEE DEVELOPED 12 SITE AREAS THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO, AND WE, OF COURSE, ARE FOCUSED ON THOSE THAT WERE RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS, UH, PROGRAM SO FAR WITH THE SITES. AND WE'LL BE GIVING YOU A MORE DETAILED REPORT BECAUSE JUST THIS INITIAL WORK, UM, WILL ALREADY, UH, RESULT IN 450 ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. SO WE'RE EXCITED WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A MORE DETAILED REPORT. UH, SECONDLY, SAN ANTONIO, OF COURSE, IS HOME TO A VARIETY OF CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT PARKS. AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, WOODLAWN LAKE RECEIVED A DESIGNATION AS A LONE STAR LEGACY PARK, UH, FROM THE TEXAS RECREATION PARKS SOCIETY. AND THAT HOLDS SPECIAL PROMINENCE IN, UM, OUR STATE AND LOCAL COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE HIGHEST HONORS THAT CAN BE BESTOWED ON A PARK. UH, IT'S ESPECIALLY FITTING AS WOODLAWN LAKE CELEBRATES. ITS 100TH BIRTHDAY THIS YEAR, AND THE PARK DATES BACK TO THE 1880S WHEN DEVELOPERS WANTED TO BUILD A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AND SAW THE NEED AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MORE PARK SPACE. A FAMILIAR THEME THAT WE'VE HEARD ON A NUMBER OF PARKS THAT THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED OVER TIME. IT WAS DEEDED TO THE CITY IN 1918, BUT TO COMMEMORATE MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE 100 YEARS COUNCIL DISTRICT SEVEN, ALONG WITH THE NEIGHBOR DISTRICT ONE, AND IN PARTNERSHIP, OF COURSE, WITH OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. WE'LL BE HOLDING A FREE CELEBRATION EVENT THIS FRIDAY, OCTOBER 12TH FROM SIX 30 TO 9:30 PM SO WE INVITE RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS FREE EVENT. WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HOSTING IT AT ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT PARKS IN THE CITY. AND, UH, THERE WILL BE ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES AND FOOD AND A MOVIE SCREENING OF ONE OF DISNEY'S NEW, UH, MOVIES AT 7:30 PM CULMINATING WITH FIREWORKS AT THE PARK. SO WE'RE EXCITED, UH, THAT THIS PARK HAS ENDURED THE TEST OF TIME AND THAT WE'LL BE CELEBRATING ITS 100TH BIRTHDAY THIS WEEKEND. LASTLY, MAYOR, I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME UPDATES ON OUR ONGOING EFFORTS TO MAKE SAN ANTONIO CITY GOVERNMENT MORE ACCESSIBLE TO SPANISH SPEAKERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. OUR GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT RECENTLY LAUNCHED SAN ANTONIO.GOV IN ESPANOL ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AND THIS IS A WEBPAGE THAT INCLUDES CITY SERVICES THAT SPANISH SPEAKING RESIDENTS SEARCH FOR THE MOST BASED ON OUR DATA THAT WE KEEP TRACK OF, UH, WITHIN THE CITY ORGANIZATION. THIS PAGE INCLUDES INFORMATION SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UH, HOW TO ENROLL IN A PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM, LOCATE SOCIAL SERVICES, FIND A PET, FIND THEIR COUNCIL PERSON, AND SIGN UP FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. SO, UH, RESIDENTS CAN NOW LIVE STREAM CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN SPANISH ONLINE AND WATCH IT LIVE ON THE CITY'S GOVERNMENT ACCESS CHANNEL BY ENABLING SECOND AUDIO PROGRAMMING FROM THEIR REMOTE CONTROL. SO IT'S NOW AVAILABLE ON ALL MAJOR CABLE TV PROVIDERS AND OF COURSE ON OUR CHANNEL 21. SO WE'RE ROLLING OUT SPANISH PROGRAMMING ONT V S A, AND WE'LL DEDICATE A BLOCK OF SPANISH CONTENT ON FRIDAY MORNINGS AND SATURDAY EVENINGS, INCLUDING RE AIRING OF THE COUNCIL MEETING IN SPANISH. SO GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS IS PROMOTING THESE NEW EFFORTS THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA TO COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND OUR LOCAL MEDIA, AND I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THEM FOR THIS WORK AND ALSO LET YOU AND THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THIS NEW SERVICE IS AVAILABLE TO OUR RESIDENTS. THAT'S ALL THIS MORNING, MAYOR. THANK YOU. GREAT NEWS. THANK YOU, CHERYL. ALRIGHT, UM, JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYONE, WE HAVE A UTILITY [03:05:01] BRIEFING BY C P S ENERGY TODAY AT 1:00 PM SO WE'LL RECONVENE IN THE B ROOM. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MOVE THROUGH VERY QUICKLY TODAY BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONVENE, UH, SHORTLY AFTER TWO IF POSSIBLE. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET OUR UTILITY BRIEFING STARTED, AND WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO IT. UH, PAULA, ARE YOU STARTING US OFF TODAY? I THINK I AM. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. LEMME SEE FOR THE TIME. UH, I AM HERE TO GIVE, UH, A BRIEFING. I TRY TO COME IN EVERY, UH, EVERY OTHER MONTH. IF I CANNOT COME, I DEFINITELY TRY TO SEND YOU SOMETHING IN WRITING, AND AS USUAL, I AM ALWAYS AVAILABLE FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED. SO I'M GONNA HIT SEVERAL TOPICS, UH, TODAY. UM, AND, BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP THEM RAPID. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE FOR YOU AND MATERIALS. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME, OF COURSE, AFTERWARDS, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT AVAILABLE AND YOU HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION. THE ONE THING I DID WANNA START WITH RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU IS A LITTLE SHEET, AND IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY IMPORTANT SHEET. UM, WE HAVE THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD FOR, I THINK, OVER 20 YEARS. AND, UM, THIS IS WHERE EACH MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL, YOU ALL APPOINT A MEMBER. AND THEN WE HAVE AT LARGE MEMBERS. AND THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT TODAY IS THAT WE JUST HAVE COMPLETED A FULL SLATE. SO WE HAVE, UM, ALL OF THE MEMBERS DESIGNATED, AND EVEN THE AT LARGE MEMBERS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE, UM, MEMBER, I THINK, TERM AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR A NEW BROAD AT LARGE MEMBER TO APPLY FOR THE PROCESS. WE WILL, WE CAN DEFINITELY GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THAT IF YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ANYBODY THAT YOU KNOW THAT MAY ALSO WANNA BE ON THAT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL, UM, TO US. WE MEET WITH THEM MONTHLY, UM, AND THEY ATTEND A LOT OF OUR EVENTS. THEY HELP US WITH OUR STRATEGIES AND FEEDBACK. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH IN TERMS OF ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO THAT COMMITTEE. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. SO, UM, I'M, I'M GONNA HIT MULTIPLE TOPICS. ONE, RELATIVE TO, UH, C P SS ENERGY CONSTANTLY HAS A OUTSTANDING INVITATION FOR YOU TO JOIN US IN ANY WAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE. I WANT TO COVER SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN. I'M GONNA GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE BOARD SEARCH THAT IS BEING CONDUCTED BY HOMER GUEVARA, UH, DR. HOMER GUEVARA, ONE OF OUR TRUSTEES, OR WHO IS TERMING OUT AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND HE'S PARTNERED WITH OUR BOARD CHAIR, JOHN STEIN. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE IN PARTICULAR. UM, WE FINISHED THE SUMMER, THAT IS OUR PEAK PERIOD, AND I WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ABOUT HOW THAT WENT. UM, SOMETHING VERY NEW THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT. TARIFFS. WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR NEW TARIFFS. I WANNA PREVIEW THAT WITH YOU. UM, MY STAFF IS COMING AROUND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME, YOU CAN CONTACT ME DIRECTLY OR HAVE ME FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. BUT NEXT WEEK, I PLAN TO COME FORWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR A NEW TARIFF THAT WILL HELP US INTRODUCE NEW PRODUCTS AND SERVICES IN OUR MARKET. UM, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WE'RE READY TO LAUNCH, UH, ONCE, IF WE ARE ABLE TO, UM, EARN YOUR APPROVAL OF THAT TARIFF. AND THEN I'M JUST GONNA END WITH A COUPLE OF, UH, KEY, UH, EVENTS AND ACCOMMODATIONS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU. SO, UM, WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLETELY OPEN TO WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE WITH. AND COUNCILMAN COURAGE HAS ALWAYS SHOWN INTEREST IN OUR RENEWABLES AND TECHNOLOGY SIDE. SO, UM, HE VISITED WITH US IN ONE OF OUR SOLAR FARMS, UM, COUNCILMAN BROCK HOUSE, UH, ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND VISITED WITH OUR OVERHEAD LINEMAN TEAM, WHICH WAS GREAT. HE ACTUALLY GOT A CHANCE TO REALLY EXPERIENCE OUR, UH, P P E, OUR, UM, PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, UM, AS WELL AS OUR BUCKET TRUCK AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THAT WAS A REALLY FUN EVENT. UM, JUST THIS WEEK ON MONDAY, WE FORMALLY LAUNCHED THE PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH SOUTHWEST RESEARCH INSTITUTE, AND THAT IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM, A NEW BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM COUPLED WITH SOLAR PARTNER WITH SOUTHWEST RESEARCH. AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIMENT OUR ABILITY TO WIELD A LARGER VOLUME OF POWER INTO THE ERCOT MARKET AND WORK HOPEFULLY WITH THE, WITH THE ERCOT, UM, UH, GROUP THERE TO REALLY BE ABLE TO OPTIMIZE THAT AND GET US MORE READY FOR THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IN THE FUTURE. UH, COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL CAME TO THE FOURTH FLOOR. THIS IS WHERE WE ACTUALLY TRANSACT A LOT OF OUR ENERGY MARKET ACTIVITY. ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF OUR POWER ACTUALLY GETS PUSHED INTO THE MARKET. WE [03:10:01] COUPLE IT AND MATCH IT AGAINST ALL THE NEEDS OF THE CUSTOMERS HERE. AND THEN ANYTHING IN EXCESS GOES OUT TO THE BROADER MARKET FOR OPTIMIZATION. AND, UH, COUNCILMAN WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THAT, AND SHE GOT A TOUR OF THOSE OPERATIONS. UM, AND ACTUALLY WE HAD THIS GREAT EVENT, UH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ AND COUNCILWOMAN, UH, SANDOVAL CAME IN TO OUR ORGANIZATION, THE HISPANIC ORGANIZATIONAL PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYEES. THEY ARE A WONDERFUL GROUP THAT WE'VE HAD FOR MANY YEARS, AND THEIR MAIN MISSION IS TO GIVE SCHOLARSHIP AND EDUCATIONAL GRANTS, UM, TO, TO STUDENTS ALL ACROSS SAN ANTONIO, BUT THEY'RE ALSO A PROFESSIONAL GROUP, SO THEY HAVE A LECTURE SERIES. AND, UM, I WAS ABLE TO SIT ON THAT AND IT WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY ENGAGING. I THINK I HEARD AND LEARNED SUCH AMAZING STORIES FROM TWO LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR ORGANIZATION WAS EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE OF THE CANDOR SHOWN IN THAT MEETING. AND THEN I WANTED TO END THIS SECTION WITH APPRECIATION FROM, UM, ALL OF YOU IN TERMS OF SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT OUR OPEN, UH, BOARD POSITION THAT WE HAVE. AND I'M, WE, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHARE IT. AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES WHERE IN NEWSLETTERS, THAT ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN SHARED OUT WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. I MEAN, LAST YEAR WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A A RIGHT ABOUT THIS TIME WE WERE AT THE SAME PLACE LOOKING FOR CANDIDATES. UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH LAUNCHED A SIMILAR PATTERN. WE'VE DONE, UM, PUBLICATIONS AND NEWSPAPERS, LOCALLY, INTERVIEWS, EDITORIALS. UM, ONE THING WE DID ADD THIS TIME IS WE ADDED TWO INFORMATION SESSIONS TO ANY INTERESTED CANDIDATES. HELD IT IN OUR BOARDROOM, OUR BOARD MEMBERS WERE THERE, MANAGEMENT WAS THERE. IT WAS KIND OF AN EFFORT FOR US TO GIVE A ONE-ON-ONE, EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT C P S ENERGY, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAVE, AND PROVIDE THEM MATERIALS, UM, VERY MUCH IN THE EFFORT TO GET MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN, IN THE POSITIONS. UM, THIS IS A PRETTY, UM, INTRICATE, UH, CHART HERE, BUT THE MAIN POINT IS WE ACTUALLY HAD A DEADLINE IN SEPTEMBER, UM, AND WE HAD A LITTLE UNDER 10, UM, CANDIDATES. WE'VE CURRENTLY HAVE 15, AND THE DEADLINE IS ON FRIDAY. AND THEN THE BOARD, THE COMMITTEE WILL GET TOGETHER AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT WORKS AND WORK WITH THE ENTIRE BOARD IN TERMS OF DO WE THINK THAT THE CANDIDATE POOL IS STRONG ENOUGH AND BROAD ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY KICK OFF THE PROCESS ONCE THE CANDIDATE POOL, UM, UH, IS COMPLETED. UM, WILL THE, THE BOARD ITSELF, UM, THAT THEY TAKE OVER MANAGEMENT DOES THE PROCESS. THEY DO THEIR, THE INTERVIEW PROCESS AND BRING PEOPLE IN. THEY'LL BE DOING THAT FOR THE REST REMAINDER OF THE FALL. AND THE HOPE IS THAT THEY'LL HAVE A CANDIDATE BY THE END OF OUR FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS THE END OF JANUARY, AND THEN BRING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD AFTER THAT TO THE COUNCIL, EXCUSE ME, OPERATIONAL UPDATE. UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS CHART BEFORE, AND, UM, I, THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE. I THINK, UM, A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE, WE JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE ON OUR SIDE. WE HAVE ABOUT 7,000 MEGAWATTS OF CAPACITY THROUGH VARYING TYPES OF, UM, ENERGY PRODUCTION. BUT WE ALSO COMPARE TO WHAT THE CAPACITY IS OVERALL IN THE ERCOT MARKET. AND SO THERE'S OVER 70,000 MEGAWATTS OF CAPACITY ACROSS THE ENTIRE ERCOT SYSTEM. AND, UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE LIKE TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT IS IT IS A, IT IS A COMPLETE PARTNERED SYSTEM. WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO SUPPLY THE STATE. IF A PLANT WERE TO GO DOWN HERE OR A PLANT, WERE TO GO DOWN SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. ALL OF THE SYSTEMS WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STATE AND ALL THE CUSTOMERS WITHIN IT ARE SERVED. UM, AND HIGHLIGHT, UH, WE DO, WE DO ALSO HAVE A RESERVE MARGIN. UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 1300 MEGAWATTS OF RESERVE MARGIN. AND WHAT'S CRITICAL ABOUT THAT IS WE COMPRISE ALMOST 20% OF THE RESERVE MARGIN OF THE STATE. THAT IS ONE THING THAT MUNICIPAL POWER TYPICALLY HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO, IS HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY THAT WHAT IT REALLY IS BUILT FOR IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE A PLANT DOWN, WE COULD STILL SERVE OURSELVES WITH OUR OWN PORTFOLIO, BUT WHEN IT'S NOT ALSO NEEDED BY OUR CUSTOMERS, IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE STATE. THIS IS A, A PRETTY, UM, SIGNIFICANT CHART. THE, THE ESSENCE OF IT IS TO SAY WE HAVE HAD AN INTERESTING, UH, WEATHER PATTERN THIS YEAR, UM, WHILE SEPTEMBER WAS WET, AND TODAY WE WERE EXPERIENCING, UM, INTERMITTENT SHOWERS. IT WAS REALLY HOT IN JULY. AND SO WHAT WAS SPECIAL ABOUT JULY IS THAT IT HAD 20 DAYS OF ABOVE NORMAL HOT TEMPERATURES. SO WHERE WE WOULD NORMALLY PEAK IN AUGUST THIS PAST YEAR, WE PEAKED IN JULY. [03:15:01] AND SO IT, IT ACCOUNTED FOR A LOT OF STRESS ON THE, ON THE SYSTEM AND ALL THE ASSETS SOMEWHAT EARLY. UM, WHAT THIS CHART ALSO INDICATES IS, FOR US, OUR PLANTS PERFORMED WELL. THERE WAS A HUGE MOVEMENT ACROSS THE ERCOT SYSTEM TO ASK OPERATORS TO DO AS MUCH PLANNED MAINTENANCE AS POSSIBLE. WELL BEFORE WE GOT TO THE SUMMER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANTS WERE PERFORMING. OUR PORTFOLIO IN PARTICULAR, PERFORMED EXTREMELY WELL. OUR FOSSIL FUEL PLANTS WERE THE KIND OF THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE HAD IN EXECUTION, BUT WE ALSO HAD SOME VERY GOOD PERFORMANCE FOR RENEWABLES. RENEWABLES PERFORM AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL BECAUSE OF THE INTERMITTENCY, BUT THEY, THEY DID PERFORM WELL IN COMPARISON TO THEIR MAXIMUM CAPACITIES. AND WHAT THIS CHART SHOWS, IT KIND OF SHOWS THE PEAK, UM, FOR EACH, UH, MONTH IN THE SUMMER AND ULTIMATELY STILL, WE, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OVER 5,000 MEGAWATTS, WHICH IS A PRETTY STRONG PEAK IN COMPARISON TO THE 7,000 OF OUR CAPACITY. UM, AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO TAPER OFF AND CONTROL IT IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST. THE MAIN WAY THAT WE DO THAT IS WE DID HAVE A SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN ON CONSERVATION THIS YEAR. WE ADVERTISE ASKING PEOPLE TO CONSERVE. WE HAVE A DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM WHERE WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH BUSINESSES, UM, UM, INSTITUTIONAL EDUCATIONAL CAMPUSES, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHERE THEY CAN DIAL, UM, UP THEIR THERMOSTATS AND REDUCE THEIR USAGE. AND SO THAT HAS HELPED US HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL SUMMER. I, I DID WANNA ADD SOMETHING. I, I HAVEN'T HAD THIS SECTION IN MY, UM, MY PRESENTATION BEFORE, BUT I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES, UH, HEADLINES KIND OF PERMEATE THE, THE NATIONAL DISCUSSION. AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE, UM, ULTIMATELY FOR YOU. SO THESE ARE, UM, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WATCH, AND THEN WHEN WE SEE THEM, WE KIND OF SAY, WELL, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? AND DO WE HAVE A RISK HERE? AND HOW DO WE MITIGATE FOR THOSE RISKS? THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. ONE IS, RECENTLY THERE WERE SOME EXPLOSIONS IN A GAS SYSTEM, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY PUTS THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY ON NOTICE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. THE OVERALL INVESTIGATION IS STILL, UM, BEING DONE, AND WE THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THE SPECIFICS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WE DID IS WE MADE SURE THAT WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO TO TEST FOR THE RELIABILITY AND THE FLOW, THE VALIDATION, UM, THAT MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE RISK OF, UM, EXPLOSIONS IN OUR SYSTEM. UM, I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT WE INVESTED IN THE SMART STIFFER THIS YEAR, AND THAT IS DEPLOYED AND IT IS GOING AROUND THE COMMUNITY. IT HELPS US LOOK FOR ANY LEAKS ACROSS THE SYSTEM. IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE. IT ALLOWS US TO PINPOINT ANY ISSUES IF THERE IS A LEAK. IT ALLOWS US TO, EVEN ON MILES OF, UM, PIPELINE, WE'RE ABLE TO TELL EXACTLY WHERE THAT LEAK OCCURS AND DO A VERY TARGETED EFFORT IN TERMS OF REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. SO AS MORE INFORMATION IS KNOWN, WE'LL ACTUALLY AGAIN, LOOK AT OUR PROCESS AND PROCEDURES, BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOOD IN TERMS OF OUR SYSTEM INTEGRITY. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE WAS A, UM, A HEADLINE ON, UM, COAL. AND COAL USUALLY HAS A FLY ASH POND. AND, UM, ON THE EAST COAST, THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE THE FLASH POND, BECAUSE OF ALL THE RAIN THAT WAS COMING OFF OF THE EAST COAST, ALL OF THE RAIN FLOODED THAT POND AND THAT POND, UM, SPILLED OVER. UM, WE DO HAVE A WET FLY ASH POND. OUR OURS IS MUCH SMALLER. IT IS NOT CLOSE TO A WATER OR A FLEET, UH, FREE FLOWING, UH, TRIBUTARY. UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE PROCESS OUR FLY ASH VERY QUICKLY. IT IS REPROCESSED AND IT HELPS MAKE ROADS. AND SO WE MITIGATE THE RISK OF ANY, ANY SPILLAGE FROM THAT. SO ULTIMATELY, UM, THOSE ARE TWO THINGS. AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER WAY FOR US TO BENCHMARK WHAT'S HAPPENING ON A BROADER SCALE, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE IS WELL MAINTAINED. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE ALSO SEEN SOME OF THE DEVASTATION THAT HAS RECENTLY BEEN, UM, NOTED IN THE, IN THE NEWS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE HURRICANES ARE BACK AND IT'S HURRICANE SEASON. I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE, I MEAN, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED HERE, BUT BY FAR, UH, A LOT OF THE EXPOSURE HAPPENS ON THE EAST COAST, FLORIDA, UM, IS HAVING IT GEORGIA, UM, THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA, UM, WE ARE ON STANDBY CURRENTLY, THE A P P A AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SYSTEMS AROUND THE NATION, UH, HAVE PUT US ON CALL. AND SO WE DO [03:20:01] EXPECT, UM, MAYBE NOT FOR THIS ONE, BUT WE DO EXPECT AS H HURRICANE SEASON PROGRESSES, WE WILL SEND MORE PEOPLE OUT. UM, THIS IS A REMINDER THAT WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF A COMMITMENT, UM, TO PUERTO RICO LAST YEAR. UM, WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEM. THEY ACTUALLY RE-INSTITUTED THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE PRETTY MUCH THE WAY IT WAS. AND SO WE EXPECT THAT ANY SEVERE HURRICANE SEASON FOR THEM MIGHT BE PRETTY DEVASTATING AND WE STAND READY TO COME HELP THEM. I THINK WE KNOW THE PROCESS AND THE FLOW. I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RESPOND MUCH QUICKER, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY IN CONTACT ON THAT. OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA GET TO SOME NEW STUFF. SO, UM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS, UH, THIS KIND OF GRAPHIC BEFORE, BUT I ACTUALLY WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND SHOW YOU A VIDEO, UM, FOR OUR SMART CITY, UM, KIND OF PROMOTION. AND WE HAVE BEEN SHOWING THIS AT INDUSTRY, UM, MEETINGS AND, AND MEETINGS WITH CUSTOMERS. WE ACTUALLY HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH SAS THIS WEEK, WHICH WAS, UM, I THINK THE SECOND ONE IN OUR HISTORY. AND, UM, AND ALSO WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW THIS IN TERMS OF WE ARE, UM, PROPOSING TO SAS, LET'S PARTNER TOGETHER ON THIS SMART CITY EFFORT IN TERMS OF, UM, MOVING FROM MOVING THEM FROM OLD, UM, ANALOG METERS TO DIGITAL METERS. SO, BUT I'M, THIS IS KIND OF JUST A GENERAL, UM, ASPECT OF SMART CITY AND NEW VISION. SO IT'S SHORT AND QUICK. UM, MY PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSAL OF THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP TEAM IS THAT WE ACTUALLY MODIFY THIS TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE WATER AS A POTENTIAL AREA OF AN INTEGRATION INTO OUR SMART CITY EFFORT. THIS WAY WE WOULD HAVE ELECTRIC, GAS, AND WATER. IT IS A UNIQUE ABILITY FOR US TO DO IT EXTREMELY WELL SINCE WE ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, HAVE THE SAME MISSION, THE COMMITMENT TO SERVICE. AND SO AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS BETWEEN OUR TWO BOARDS, I WILL BRING YOU MORE UPDATES ABOUT, UM, HOPEFULLY OUR ABILITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL AT THAT AND GET THEM LAUNCHED IN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO. UM, WHAT I, WHAT I DO WANNA TALK ABOUT IS, UM, THIS IS A, I TALK ABOUT SMART CITY. THIS IS KIND OF A GRAPHIC, YOU'VE SEEN THIS MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR AGO. UM, WE KEEP THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THE INDUSTRY IS CHANGING AND WE'RE MOVING FROM ONE-WAY SYSTEMS, ANALOG ACTIVITIES, NOT A LOT OF INTELLIGENCE BEHIND, UM, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO NOW WE ARE INTEGRATING RENEWABLES. WE ARE STARTING TO PUT IN THE DIGITAL METERS SENSORS RELATIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT. UM, MORE AND MORE IS GETTING, UM, INVESTED INTO OUR, UM, NATURAL COURSE OF BUSINESS. AND IN FACT, I'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE NEXT SECTION. UM, WE ARE GETTING AND PREPARING FOR THE GROWTH IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT WE EXPECT. AND IT'LL START OUT SMALL. AND WHAT WE WANNA DO IS CREATE A PATHWAY TO BRING IN MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLES INSIDE THE SAN ANTONIO MARKET TO GET READY FOR. THERE SHOULD BE A WHOLE LOT MORE TECHNOLOGY COMING IN THE FUTURE. AND SO, UM, WE TYPICALLY HAVE, UM, UH, TARIFFS FOR EACH TYPE OF SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE. AND FOR THE MOST PART, THEY DON'T CHANGE. WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL TARIFFS AND COMMERCIAL TARIFFS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LARGE COMMERCIAL TARIFFS AND INDUSTRIAL TARIFFS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AND SO WE [03:25:01] DON'T NORMALLY DO MUCH HERE, BUT WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THAT WE NEED A WAY TO CREATE A NEW SERVICE OPTION SO THAT AS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR KIOSK OR DIFFERENT TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CUSTOMERS WANT TO HAVE ENABLED BY POWER, WE HAVE A VEHICLE TO DO THAT. AND SO WE CALL IT THE NEW SERVICE OPTION. AND IT IS BROADLY JUST A VEHICLE FOR US TO SHAPE SOMETHING WITH A CUSTOMER THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH BEN AND HIS TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE CREATED A STRUCTURE THAT IS, UM, FOCUSED ON THEM RE PAYING FOR THE COST THAT WE HAVE TO INCUR TO SERVICE THEM. AND THEN ONCE WE TEST IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT REALLY WORKS FOR THEM, AND IT COULD BE A PILOT THAT LASTS ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, WE FIRM IT UP WITH BEN, AND THEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE YOU ACTUALLY APPROVE A FORMAL TARIFF. AND THEN AS WE GROW THE BUSINESS, THAT TARIFF IS IN PLACE. SO, UM, THAT'S THE PREMISE OF IT. UM, WHAT IT WILL NOT AFFECT, IT IS NOT A RATE INCREASE ON ANY EXISTING CUSTOMERS. IF PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING SERVICE THAT IS UNAFFECTED. IT IS FOR NEW PRODUCTS AND NEW SERVICES THAT CUSTOMERS WANT. AND SO THIS IS JUST A SMALL GRAPHIC. WE COME UP WITH A PRODUCT OR SERVICE, WE PILOT IT THROUGH THE N S O. ONCE IT IS PROVEN OUT, THEN WE COME BACK AND TELL YOU THAT IT'S COMPLETELY DONE, THE CUSTOMERS ARE SATISFIED, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA LAUNCH IN. UM, THE OTHER WAY THAT WE WOULD DO IT IS WE WOULD GIVE YOU A FORMAL TARIFF, WE'D LAUNCH IT, THEN WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND EDIT THE TARIFF AGAIN. SO WE JUST WANTED TO TRY SOMETHING THAT WAS A BIT MORE CONSTRUCTIVE. WHEN WE ARE HAVING THE PILOTS, I WILL COME BACK PERIODICALLY AND TELL YOU HOW IT'S GOING. DO WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS? DO WE RUN INTO SOME PROBLEMS? DID WE DESIGN IT TOO TIGHTLY? SHOULD WE TIGHTEN UP THE DESIGN OF THE PROGRAM? AND SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE WE GET TO THE END WHEN YOU GET A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM US. AND THIS IS, UH, THIS IS JUST A PREVIEW, THEN WE'LL HAVE A BIT OF A PRESENTATION GOING BACK OVER THIS, UH, NEXT WEEK. AND I, UM, WILL BE HERE ON OCTOBER 18TH TO, TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT HAS APPROACHED US AND, UM, THEY WANNA PUT IN FAST CHARGING STATIONS AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE ABOUT 150 EXISTING CHARGING STATIONS. THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. THEY'RE OLDER TECHNOLOGY AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE. THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPONSORED BY US. THEY'RE VERY ECONOMICAL, IF NOT A BARGAIN PURCHASE, IT WOULD, THEY WERE PUT OUT THERE. UM, WE GOT A FEDERAL GRANT AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE. AND THEIR SPARSE, EVEN AT 150 UNITS, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR, FOR EVERYONE. SO WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE, UH, UH, COMPANIES COME FORWARD AND SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AND BE ABLE TO PUT IN MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WOULD BE, UM, SIMILAR TO SOMEBODY SAYING, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY FULL OF APPROPRIATELY CONVENIENT GAS STATIONS. WELL, NOW WE'RE MOVING FROM JUST HAVING GAS STATIONS TO HAVING ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS. AND SO THIS IS JUST IN RESPONSE TO THE TREND THAT WE SEE GLOBALLY AND ACROSS THE NATION AND SAN AND GETTING SAN ANTONIO READY FOR THAT. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. I THINK I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT ALONG THOSE LINES, WE HAVE STARTED ELECTRIFYING OUR FLEET VEHICLES. WE ADDED, UM, WE DUAL FUEL VEHICLES IN CHARGING STATIONS. WE ALSO PUT SOME CHARGING STATIONS IN AT THE NEW VIA, UH, CENTER ON 2 81. AND SO IT IS COMING TO BE MORE AND MORE OF A DEMAND IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE LAUNCHING INTO IT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO BE MORE, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AND ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY. UM, WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN UPSIDE POTENTIAL FOR, UM, FOR OUR BUSINESS IF WE'RE ABLE TO SELL, UM, ELECTRICITY FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. THAT'S VOLUME THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY, THAT WE WILL HAVE TOMORROW. AND SO WE'VE DONE A, A QUICK ESTIMATED PROJECTION OF THAT GROWTH. AND, UM, AND AGAIN, I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, IF YOU HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU CAN REDUCE YOUR IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT. AND OVERALL IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM, THIS CHART, YOU, THIS IS PROBABLY, UM, I SHOW IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. THE QUESTION IS HOW FAST WILL, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES, UM, AND ELECTRIC BATTERIES AND ELECTRIC STORAGE IN GENERAL TAKE OFF? WE HAVE SAW, WE HAVE SEEN THE PRICES COME DOWN. THEY HAVEN'T COME DOWN TREMENDOUSLY. SO IT'S, IT'S A NO-BRAINER. THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE A WHOLE LOT MORE INVESTMENT. BUT WHAT THIS CHART SAYS IS, UM, WE'RE UNSURE WE'RE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS INVESTMENT ARE THIRD PARTIES, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD BE A VERY SLOW TRAJECTORY FOR THE, THE, UM, STORAGE, ENERGY STORAGE INDUSTRY. IT COULD BE A MODERATELY FAST OR IT COULD BE A VERY FAST GROWTH IN TERMS OF [03:30:01] THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE RESEARCH BEHIND IT. BUT WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING A MOVE NOW SO WE CAN BE MORE PREPARED FOR HOWEVER FAST THAT NEEDS TO GO. AND SO ULTIMATELY, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENABLE THIS IF WE CAN HELP GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE. THE THIRD PARTIES ACTUALLY INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE SUPPLY THE POWER AND THE, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO THE CHARGING STATION. THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO, TO, UM, POINT OUT THAT WHICH IS INTERESTING TO THE DESIGN, UM, IS IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS WE DON'T WANT A LOT OF CHARGING AT PEAK. IF IT'S AT PEAK, IT ENCOURAGES US TO MAKE MAJOR INVESTMENTS. IT STARTS TO PUSH US TO THINK ABOUT BUILDING PLANTS PREMATURELY AND PROBABLY UNNECESSARY TO HAVE THE BEST COMBINATION OF EVS WHERE YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND YOU'RE NOT OVERSTEPPING THE NEED FOR DEMAND ON POWER. WE WILL BE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CHARGE OFF PEAK. AND FOR US, I'M GONNA, EXCUSE ME, I'M GONNA GO THIS WAY FOR US. THE HOURS BETWEEN FOUR AND NINE ARE PEAK BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN MOST OF THE DEMAND IS DRIVEN. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, TO DO IT VERY, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING OR AT NIGHT WHERE IT IS MORE ECONOMICAL AND MORE BALANCED IN THE DEMANDS ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WELL, THAT IS, THAT IS AN EXAMPLE THAT WE WOULD PUT THROUGH THE N S O, UM, IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT APPROVAL FROM YOU. UH, MY LAST BIT OF, UH, OF ITEMS, UM, VERY CLOSE TO BEING DONE. I DID WANT TO ALSO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE WERE REALLY PROUD OF OUR WORK WITH, UM, THE LIGHTHOUSE FOR THE BLIND. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING GREAT WORK ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY, HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET A LOT OF BIG ACCOUNTS. AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. CAN WE PLAY THAT NEXT VIDEO? MM-HMM. BY YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, BUYING OUR PRODUCTS AND SUPPORTING US. THAT'LL GET THE WORD OUT MORE TO OTHER BIG CORPORATIONS IN THE CITY OR CORPORATIONS THAT MAY WANT TO MOVE HERE. THAT WHAT WE DO HERE. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PRODUCTS WE MAKE, THE GOOD QUALITY PRODUCTS WE MAKE THAT ARE MADE RIGHT HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. OKAY. WELL, UM, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WON NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE THE LIGHTHOUSE FOR THE BLIND, THEY WON BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED A VERY COMPETITIVE PACKAGE AS WELL. THEY COMPETED WELL AGAINST NATIONAL FIRMS AND STILL GAVE US THE BENEFIT OF HAVING A LOCAL ORGANIZATION WITH A GREAT MISSION. UM, I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT, UM, UH, ONCE AGAIN, CREW IS A ORGANIZATION THAT STEMMED OUT OF COUNCIL FEEDBACK FOR US TO GET MORE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY, TO BE THERE TO HELP PROVIDE ASSISTANCE. AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, CUSTOMERS THAT WERE RECENTLY HELPED BY, UM, ONE OF OUR CREW TEAM MEMBERS. A VERY, YOU KNOW, GREAT STORY ACTUALLY. THIS, THIS, UM, UM, ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS HAD ACTUALLY GOTTEN SCAMMED AND WE WERE ABLE TO HELP THEM WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE, AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER LIKE WE NORMALLY DO WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO GET THE, GET THEM MORE HELP. AND SO OUR PEOPLE DO THIS ALL THE TIME, AND INCREASINGLY WE'RE STEPPING UP OUR COVERAGE OF THAT. UM, UM, HERE I'M GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THIS ONE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR PEOPLE ARE TRAINED INTENSELY ON SAFETY ALL THE TIME. AND IN PARTICULAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER, THERE'S A BIG REFRESH IN TERMS OF HEAT EXHAUSTION AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH SUMMER SERVICE AND HOT TEMPERATURE. WELL, THEY ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO NOTICE A GENTLEMAN IN THE STREET WHO, WHO PASSED OUT AND WERE ABLE TO GET HIM IMMEDIATE MEDICAL ATTENTION. AND, UM, THEY WERE FEATURED ON THE NEWS. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE TRAINED ON LOOK FOR. AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR ENERGY DELIVERY, THEY'RE OUT THERE THINKING ABOUT THE PROTECTION FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS DELIVERING GOOD SERVICE. UH, I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT, IN ADDITION TO THE WORK THAT WE DO, CHRIS HAS BEEN OUR, OUR C O UM, CHRIS TER HAS BEEN INVOLVED DIRECTLY IN TERMS OF THE TECHNICAL REBUILD OF PUERTO RICO AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE. BUT HE ALSO WAS, UM, RECENTLY NAMED TO A BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION, UM, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING EVEN MORE BROADLY, THEY'RE LOOKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THINKING ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO [03:35:01] TO BE HELPFUL. THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THE ISLAND. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT, AGAIN, IS THE THINGS THAT WE LEARN IN THE REDO PUERTO RICO WILL HELP THE NATION. AND THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS OF, UM, CERTAIN THINGS THAT, THAT WE HAVE. I MEAN, UM, CHRIS AND, UM, MARIA GARCIA WERE RECENTLY RECOGNIZED BY SAN ANTONIO, UH, BUSINESS JOURNAL. WE'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE PUBLIC POWER ASSOCIATION. WE RECENTLY, UM, UH, GOT A NATIONAL AWARD AND RECOGNITION FOR SOME ADDITIONAL NOMINATIONS. AND WE ARE STILL, UM, BEEN NUMBER ONE IN OUR REGION IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO SERVE, TO SERVE LOCALLY, AND TO SERVE WELL, THAT IS ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAULA. UM, ONE THING YOU DIDN'T REALLY COVER THAT I THINK COUNCIL WOULD BE, UM, GRATEFUL TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED ON TUESDAY AT THE JOINT MEETING. MM-HMM. ALSO, IF YOU COULD MENTION THE, UH, DESIGNATION BY D O E AND D D O D ABOUT OUR PARTICULAR, UH, UTILITY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT ON A NATIONAL SCALE. WHAT WE DO HERE IS NOT JUST AFFECTING OUR CUSTOMERS, BUT ALSO A LARGER PICTURE. VERY GOOD. YEAH. SO, UM, YEAH, WHAT WE, WHEN WE HAD THIS MEETING FOR THE SECOND TIME, UM, BOTH BOARDS, UH, HAD, UH, A QUORUM AND WE WERE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT DOING PARTNERSHIPS BETWEEN SAWS AS A WATER COMPANY AND US AS AN ENERGY COMPANY FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THE, THE OVERALL PREMISE IS ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TOGETHER WHERE WE'RE SPENDING DOLLARS DIRECTIONALLY IN THE SAME UM, DIRECTION SHOULD ENABLE US TO LEVERAGE OUR INVESTMENTS, UM, SHARE IN THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, AND THEN PASS THOSE BENEFITS BACK ALONG TO THE COMMUNITY. UM, OVERALL THERE ARE, WE, WE, WE DID PUT SOME, UM, UH, SOLAR PANELS ON ONE OF THE SAWS INSTALLATIONS, I THINK THAT WAS, UH, DO RIOS. AND, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEIR H TWO OAKS, UH, FACILITY TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL RENEWABLES TO, AND IT, THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS, UH, FOOTPRINT OUT THERE WITH UNUSED LAND. AND THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE. UM, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT FOCAL POINT FOR US, AGAIN, IS BACK TO THE DIGITAL METERS AGAIN BECAUSE, UM, WE, WE HAVE PUT A PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF THEM THAT ALLOWS THEM TO POTENTIALLY USE OUR BACKBONE AND OUR NETWORK AND ATTACH THEIR METERS TO IT AND HELP, YOU KNOW, HELP FROM THERE. I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE TECHNICALLY BETWEEN THE TWO METERS, BUT THE, WHAT THEY COULD DO IS PAY FOR JUST THE TRANSACTIONS THAT THEY HAVE WHEN WE'RE SENDING SIGNALS BACK AND FORTH. AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO BE, UH, INVEST IN THEIR OWN SEPARATE SYSTEM. SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THE ECONOMICS AROUND THAT TO, TO SEE IF WE CAN REALLY MAKE THAT WORK. AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR A LOT OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK WE HAVE A LIST OF ABOUT 15 ITEMS THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY DISCUSSING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD DO, UM, AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO, AGAIN, REACH ECONOMIES OF SCALE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT, UM, CONSOLIDATION IS, THERE'S NOT A, ON OUR PART, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE TO PULL THE, THE TWO TEAMS TOGETHER, FORMULATE. AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE REASON WHY IS WHEN WE DO THAT, THERE'S A LOT OF DEBT ON BOTH THE BOOKS. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO DO, YOU HAVE TO GET A PROXY AND YOU HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THE SYSTEMS AND HEAVEN KNOWS HOW DIFFICULT THE GOVERNANCE WOULD BE. SO, UM, WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME. AND, AND I MEAN, IT WOULD TALK, IT WOULD COST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO A PROXY EFFORT TO ASK TO BE ABLE TO COMBINE. WE THINK THAT WASTE TIME, WHAT WE WANNA DO IS GET INTO THE REAL PROJECTS AND THE ACTIVITY AND THE DISCUSSIONS. I THINK THE BOARDS BOTH HAD A REALLY ENGAGING CONVERSATION TOGETHER, ASK GREAT QUESTIONS, AND WE DON'T NEED PAPER, WE NEED PRODUCTION AND ACTIVITY. UH, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S A SUMMARY OF THAT. UM, RELATIVE TO THE, TO THE MILITARY, INCLUDING THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, THE F B I AND, UM, MANY OTHER AGENCIES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WE HAVE BEEN STEPPING UP OUR, UM, CONNECTION AND EFFORT WITH THE MILITARY LOCALLY, PARTICULARLY FOCUSED ON CYBER. AND, UM, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY AN INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESILIENCE AROUND THE GRID, AS WELL AS THE RESILIENCE AROUND ALL THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS IN THE CITY ARE COVERED. AND THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MILITARY IS HOME HERE. IT'S A PERFECT PLACE. THEY HAVE A HUGE, THE SECOND LARGEST CYBER INSTALLATION IN THE NATION IS HERE. AND IN FACT, WE HAVE A GREAT [03:40:01] OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT THEM, GROW THAT INDUSTRY, BOTH FROM THE MILITARY SIDE AND THE PRIVATE SIDE. AND WORKING WITH CHERYL AND CRAIG AND BEN OVERALL BECAUSE THEY'RE HELPING THEM HELP US THINK ABOUT IT. NOT JUST FROM C P S ENERGY IN THE MILITARY, BUT FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, FROM SAS PERSPECTIVE, THE RIVER AUTHORITY AND EVERY OTHER ENTITY THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE IF WE CAN PARTNER AND PROVIDE THAT UNIQUE PARTNERSHIP HERE, WHICH I FEEL WE CAN DO, THAT THEY THINK IS A BIG VALUE DRIVER. AND, UM, THEY, WE HAD MULTIPLE GENERALS ACTUALLY IN THIS, UM, MEETING ROOM WITH THE MAYOR, UM, HOSTING US TALKING ABOUT WHERE ALL THOSE SYNERGIES ARE AND WHAT OUR POTENTIALS ARE. UM, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PORT. UM, THE WAY C P S ENERGY WAY WE LOOK AT IT IS WE HAVE A CYBER COMMUNITY, WE HAVE STRENGTH AT THE PORT, WE HAVE STRENGTH AT THE MILITARY BASES. U T S A IS DOING AN AMAZING, UM, EFFORT TO PUSH THEIR INVESTMENT IN CYBER. WE ALSO HAVE A ANNEX LOCATION CLOSE TO, UM, UH, OTHER MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR DATA CENTER AND SOME OTHER MAJOR CUSTOMERS ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF TOWN. WE CAN OFFER A WONDERFULLY RESILIENT, UH, DIVERSIFIED OFFERING TO THE MILITARY IN TERMS OF TECH AND IN TERMS OF CYBER. DID I HIT THOSE TWO POINTS, SIR? ANYTHING ELSE? I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I DID WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT, UH, THOUGH THAT C P S ENERGY REMAINS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND SO IT INFORMS OUR DISCUSSION LOCALLY, BUT HOW WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO THE CONVERSATIONS WE BEGIN TO HAVE AT THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF RETAINING, UM, THE WAY WE GOVERN THIS BODY OR, OR THE GOVERN, GOVERN C P S ENERGY, THE WAY WE HANDLE OUR, MY MUNICIPAL FINANCES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 'CAUSE ONCE YOU BEGIN PUSHING ON C P S, YOU BEGIN AFFECTING, UM, WHAT THE NATION BELIEVES NOW IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL PIECES OF ENERGY UTILITY IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR ASSETS ARE CONNECTED TO IT. ABSOLUTELY. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I HIGH, THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT FOR, FOR OUR COLLEAGUES. THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I WANT TO JUST COMMEND C P S, UH, FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS, PARTICULARLY FOR ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEES. AND YOU HAD HER PICTURE UP THERE, SANDY MARETTE, SHE IS JUST REALLY A, A GREAT REPRESENTATIVE OF C P S. SHE'LL COME OUT WHENEVER I'M HAVING SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY IN MY DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S A SATELLITE OFFICE MEETING OR A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHATEVER. SHE'S REALLY GREAT REPRESENTING C P S AND SHE'LL SIT THERE AND HELP PEOPLE SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S GREAT. AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA DO IS KIND OF COMMEND Y'ALL ON THE EPICENTER. YES, SIR. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ENERGY INNOVATION INCUBATOR AND UH, YEAH, I KNOW THERE'S STILL SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON TO FINISH ALL THE STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK IT, IT REALLY HOLDS A LOT OF POTENTIAL. AND THEN IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, RECONFIGURING, REUSING AN OLD POWER PLANT AND, AND GIVING IT SOME NEW LIFE IN THIS AREA. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD FACTORS, UH, YOU KNOW, C P S IS DOING. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION AND IT'S, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT ARE WE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS OR DISCUSSIONS WITH MICROSOFT OVER THEIR TARIFF? WELL, UM, WE HAVE RESPONDED TO THEM AND, UH, GIVEN THEM A PATHWAY TO GET, UM, A MORE ECONOMICAL TARIFF. UM, THEIR RESPONSE WAS THAT THEY, THEY WANTED MORE THAN WHAT WE OFFERED. UM, WE HAVE BOTH AGREED TO CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE TO EACH OTHER, TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO BE HELPFUL. UM, UM, BUT WE PUT A REALLY GOOD OFFER ON THE TABLE. SO I THINK WE'RE, IF THEY WANNA OPEN UP ANYTHING ELSE AGAIN, WE'D BE GLAD TO TALK TO THEM. YEAH. SO THE BALLS IN THEIR COURT. LEMME LET ME, COUNCILMAN, LET ME JUST REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A OPEN PUBLIC MEETING. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING FURTHER THAN WHAT IS OPEN AND PUBLIC MEETING IF IT WAS STILL ONGOING. IT'S ALL, YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, I'M SHOCKED. WELL, NO, NOT ANYMORE. COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL . I WAS JUST PREPARING MY QUESTIONS, MAYOR. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAULA, FOR, FOR YOUR BRIEFING. I APOLOGIZE. I STEPPED OUT FOR A SECOND. I MISSED THE BEST PART WHERE MY PICTURES WERE UP ON THAT. COULD YOU DO THAT PART AGAIN? NO, I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WELCOMING THE COUNCILWOMAN AND I AT THAT PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD. UH, YOU HAVE A GREAT TEAM OVER THERE AND I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ. IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THE STORY OF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND, UH, ASKING FOR A RETELLING OF, OF THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA CALL IT. UM, UH, SO, UH, [03:45:01] COULD YOU, I THINK I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS. HOW LONG WILL THIS PILOT PROGRAM BEFORE, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK AND DO THE EVALUATION? UM, WE EXPECT THIS ONE TO GO ON ABOUT A YEAR. OKAY. AND SO WE'LL COME BACK A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING THE YEAR TO GET STARTED. IT HASN'T OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED YET. WE NEED TO GET THE N SS O AND WHEN, AND THEN THEY, WE EXPLAINED EVERYTHING TO THEM. UM, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE SYSTEM. SO BY THE TIME THEY GO OPERATIONAL, IT'LL BE A YEAR FROM THAT. AND THEN WE'LL COME FORWARD BACK TO YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I COM I THINK IT'S BRILLIANT THAT YOU'VE, UH, PRICED IT DIFFERENTIALLY BASED ON WHAT THE CAPACITY YOU HAVE AVAILABLE. UH, VERY SMART. CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT TYPES OF, UM, I GUESS COMBUSTION SOURCES OR ENERGY PRODUCING SOURCES ARE AVAILABLE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT CAPACITY AT NIGHT? NO, YOU HAVE THE, WELL YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY BEFORE FOUR AND AFTER 9:00 PM SO WHERE DO YOU ANTICIPATE DRAWING FROM? AND I TOOK A TOUR OF YOUR BUYING FLOOR, BUT WE MOSTLY TALKED ABOUT NATURAL GAS, RIGHT? SO THIS WOULD BE ELECTRICITY. COULD YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WELL, WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS ABOUT THAT, THAT AT NIGHT, OUR WEST COAST WIND PRODUCES THE MOST. AND SO, UM, WE EXPECT INCREASINGLY MORE OF IT TO COME FROM WIND. BUT IF IN THE INSTANCES THAT PLANT, YOU KNOW, THE WIND STOPS BLOWING, YEAH, WE WOULD BE USING OUR GAS PLANTS MORE THAN LIKELY. BUT WIND IT, IT, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE WASTED ENERGY 'CAUSE WIND'S, YOU KNOW, READY TO GO AND THERE'S NOTHING TO CONSUME IT. IT WOULD BE PERFECT IF, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLES WE'RE CHARGING THEN, AND WE COULD DEFINITELY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE PRIMARY, PRIMARY SOURCE POINT WOULD BE WIND. OKAY. BUT WE'RE EARLY IN THE PROCESS. SURE. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, REASSURING TO, TO KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I WANTED TO ALSO ASK, UH, REGARDING YOUR ROOFLESS SOLAR PROGRAM, UM, COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE THAT IS? UM, SO THE RUTHLESS SOLAR PROGRAM IS ONGOING. UM, THIS IS WHERE ULTIMATELY WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR A THIRD PARTY TO, TO PUT THE INVESTMENT ON THE, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SOLAR, UH, COMMUNITY. YEAH. NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S ME. UM, UM, WE HAVE SELECTED AN ENTITY, UH, TO TAKE ON AND GIVE US ANOTHER FIVE MEGAWATTS OF COMMUNITY SOLAR, BUT WE'RE NOT DONE. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO MORE COMMUNITY SOLAR. I THINK WE, WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT THE RIGHT STRUCTURE IS. THEY'VE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AND WE'VE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS. WE CAN GET A QUICK BRIEFING TO, YOU KNOW, UPDATE TO YOU. NOT QUITE FINALIZED, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO ANOTHER FIVE MEGAWATTS. WE PICK THE PARTY. NOW WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. WE DON'T USUALLY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT A LOT OPENLY, JUST IN CASE THOSE THINGS FALL APART. BUT WE'D BE READY, THERE WERE OTHER ENTITIES IN THAT POOL THAT WERE READY TO DO THAT WITH US AND WE'RE GONNA ADD FROM THERE. EXCELLENT. UM, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FROM, FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. OH, OKAY. SO I THINK THEY JUST WANNA KNOW KIND OF A TIMELINE. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SIX MONTHS? WHEN, WHEN WOULD SOMEONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING BE ABLE TO DO SO? YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE INTERESTING THING IS WE SUBSCRIBE. I MEAN, I THINK THE FIRST TIME WE DO, WE SUB, WE'LL DO THE CAPACITY AND WE'LL LET PEOPLE SUBSCRIBE. AND THAT KIND OF WENT REALLY FAST. SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL POST IT ON OUR WEBSITE, BUT WE'LL GET IT TO YOU WHEN WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP THE SUBSCRIPTION PERIOD. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE AT LEAST ANOTHER, A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE WE WOULD ACTUALLY DO THAT PROMOTION PIECE. BUT WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU. OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. UM, SO SORRY, BACK TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND, AND CHARGING. UM, CAN YOU TELL ME, UH, IN TERMS OF THE VW SETTLEMENT AND THE POTENTIAL FOR MONIES BEING AVAILABLE, DO YOU SEE YOURSELF LINING UP, UH, SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FOR THAT WITH ANOTHER PARTNER OR ON YOUR OWN? WE ARE PARTNERED WITH THE CITY ON, ON THAT. AND SO WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE, BEEN THERE, BUT A LOT OF IT IS BEING HANDLED, UM, BY, BY, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE COLLECTIVE GROUP. AND SO WE'RE JUST GONNA JOIN IN AND BE AS HELPLESS AS POSSIBLE. WE DID, I THINK, PROVIDE A SUPPORTING LETTER AND, UM, WE CONTINUE TO TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO BE HELPFUL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. I I WOULDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING LESS. UM, SO, UH, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, ABOUT CLIMATE AND YOU'RE SEEING A 48% REDUCTION. THAT'S WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE, 48% REDUCTION OF TRANSITION. UM, THAT'S TREMENDOUS. UH, DO YOU SEE C P S DOING ANY OTHER, UH, BIG THINGS AS PART OF OUR CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN? OH, ANY MEASURES THAT ARE GETTING ROLLED INTO THAT? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THEM ? I ABSOLUTELY SEE, I MEAN, MY FOUR 30 BRIEFING, MY ONE-ON-ONE , UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO THROW AT YOU, BUT I MEAN, WE DEFINITELY DO THINK THAT EVS IS HUGE. WE WOULD, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD. I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING KIND OF SMALL, UM, UH, OFFERS, BUT WE REALLY [03:50:01] WANNA OPEN IT UP TO, UH, LIKE A BROAD INVITATION TO THE WORLD TO HELP US THINK ABOUT ADDING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING ON THE HORIZON THAT WE WANNA DO, UM, AND ARE GONNA SHAPE, UH, IN, IN THOSE MINDS. AND THEN, UM, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALSO JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE AT THE TABLE AS WE CONTINUE TO BE ON YOUR COMMITTEE AND WE STAND ABSOLUTELY READY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO BE HELPFUL. YOU KNOW, EVS ARE KIND OF AT THE NEXUS OF ENERGY AND TRANSPORTATION, RIGHT? SO, UM, WE THINK THERE'S A JUST MORE THAT WE CAN BE CREATIVE WITH. UM, DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF WE'RE, 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING NOT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION, UM, BUT, BUT ENABLE IT. UH, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP AFTERWARDS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN GIVE YOU AS EXAMPLES FROM THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE STARTING THE OPEN HOUSES ON THE, THIS ROUND OF OPEN HOUSES ON OUR CLIMATE ACTION ADAPTATION PLAN, UM, THIS WEEKEND. I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE IS DOUG, ARE YOU HERE? THE FIRST ONE IS THIS SATURDAY. RIGHT AT, UH, YOUNG WOMEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. AND THE MAYOR WILL MAKE AN APPEARANCE THERE. SO EVERYONE'S INVITED. EVERYONE'S INVITED, EVERYONE'S AWESOME. OKAY. UM, NOW I, I HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE BARRAGES, BUT IT'S, IT'S WONDERFUL THAT WE GET THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THAT'S OKAY TO HAVE YOU HERE. AND MY QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THE C A C. YES. SO, UM, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THERE'S, I HAVE THIS BIT OF CONUNDRUM. OKAY. UH, TRYING TO, TO UNDERSTAND. SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ADVISORY COMMITTEES WITH THE CITY. IN FACT, I THINK WE'RE IN THE EIGHTIES IN TERMS OF CITIZEN FORMED COMMITTEES. AND WE FOLLOW, WE FOLLOW OUR OWN PROCESS FOR HOW WE, UH, COMPRISE THEM. SOME OF THEM ARE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOME OF THEM ARE AT LARGE, BUT ALL OF THEM FOLLOW AN OPEN MEETINGS, UH, PROCESS, RIGHT? UM, WE POST THE AGENDA, EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED, AND CITIZENS ARE, ARE, IF THEY'RE AWARE OF THEM, THEY CAN GO AND THEY CAN LOOK THAT UP. UM, SO I KNOW THAT THIS FUNCTIONS VERY DIFFERENTLY FROM THAT MM-HMM. . AND, UM, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? I I'M GETTING THE SENSE THAT THIS IS MORE LIKE A FOCUS GROUP, UM, OR IS IT REALLY LIKE A, I GUESS CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE FUNCTION OF THIS AND, AND WHY IT WOULD BE SO DIFFERENT FROM A STANDARD CITY, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S OPEN, UH, TO THE PUBLIC? I CAN DEFINITELY GIVE YOU MY IMPRESSIONS AND I, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERESTINGLY, I, UM, HAD A, HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH SENATOR, UH, JOSE MENENDEZ, WHO WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME THAT THIS WAS CREATED, UM, ULTIMATELY. AND, UM, IT WAS DESIGNED TO GIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AN AVENUE FOR PUTTING SOMEONE WHO COULD BE A, UM, A CITIZEN'S REPRESENTATIVE FROM THEIR DISTRICT CLOSER TO C P S ENERGY AND BE THE CONDUIT FOR INFORMATION. AND THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. I DON'T KNOW, I, I THINK WE COULD AT C P S ENERGY AND MANAGEMENT DO A MUCH BETTER JOB BECAUSE I DON'T, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF LET THAT BREAK A LITTLE BIT. AND SO, UM, THE C A C MEMBERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING TO, UH, EVENTS. AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED, THEY, THEY DO GET ALL BRIEFINGS ON OUR STRATEGIES. UM, THEY GET INFORMED ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED. THEY GIVE US FEEDBACK AT THE SAME TIME. AND, AND IT HELPS US SHAPE TO COME HERE AND DO A N S O OR TO THINK ABOUT EVS OR TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE FLEX PATH. AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY INTEGRATED INTO, UM, BEING ANOTHER SOUNDING ARM. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ALWAYS CONNECTED TO COUNCIL, BUT THEY ARE OUT. UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE HAD A, WE HAD A C A C MEMBER COME TO THE SOUTHWEST RESEARCH LAUNCH. AND SO THEY, THEY SPLIT, UM, THEY GO OUT TO THE, UM, THE NUCLEAR LOCATIONS IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. THEY LEARN THE BUSINESS AND ARE VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK WAS THE VISION AT THE TIME WAS THAT THAT PERSON COULD ALSO BRING INFORMATION BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, COME TO COUNCIL MEMBERS EVENTS, AND ALSO BE ABLE TO SHARE INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBER DISTRICT, UM, CONSTITUENTS AND BACK TO US. AND SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF HOW, UH, IT WORKED. AND IT WAS INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENTS BY EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT, UH, EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER. AND THEN WE HAD OUT AT LARGE MEMBERS. AND SO WE'VE KEPT THAT UP AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INQUIRY ALSO FROM COUNCILMAN COURAGE ON THIS. THAT HAS BEEN THE DESIGN RECENTLY. COUNCILMAN COURAGE HAS INQUIRED TO OUR BOARD CHAIR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, IS IT TIME FOR, UH, A REFRESH? AND WHAT SHOULD WE DO AND WHAT THOUGHTS ARE HAPPENING? SO I THINK THERE IS A DISCUSSION NOW AT THE BOARD LEVEL FOR THE, TO LOOK AT THE C A C, BUT THE, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE BOARD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH, WITH THE COUNCIL TO, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT [03:55:01] WE COULD DO THERE IN TR AND THE SPECIFIC TOPIC WAS ABOUT CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. AND SO THAT, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO TELL HIM THAT YOU ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. OKAY. N NO, I THINK YOUR EXPLANATION IS VERY, IS VERY HELPFUL. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL IN INTENT OF THE, OF THE BOARD AND THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE NOW. UM, BUT I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO A REFRESH ABOUT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT FUNCTION IS. OKAY. SO NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A DIALOGUE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DIRECTLY WITH YOUR BOARD MEMBERS AND JOHN IS DEFINITELY LEADING THE EFFORT ON THAT. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD SUPPORT HIM IN ANY WAY HE WOULD LIKE. AND YOU AS WELL. ALRIGHT, WELL I APPRECIATE THAT, PAULA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL. COUNCILMAN TREVINO. THANK YOU MAYOR. AND PAUL, I JUST WANT TO, UH, THANK YOU BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE ROLLING OUT THE URBAN LIGHTING PLAN HERE VERY SOON. AND IF IT WASN'T FOR YOUR HELP, UH, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF IT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, WE THINK THIS IS AN EXCITING PLAN. UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO PREVIEW IT, BUT, UH, WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GET YOU ON THE CALENDAR TO, TO PREVIEW THAT PLAN. IT'S, IT'S QUITE EXCITING AND I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE EXCITING TO THINK THAT, UH, WE HAVE A CITY, CITY COUNCIL THAT'S GONNA BE VERY INTERESTED IN IMPLEMENTING THE LESSONS LEARNED AND HOW, HOW THIS CAN BE APPLIED IN THEIR DISTRICT, IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND, AND REALLY HELP TO PRODUCE SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS, IS CRITICAL WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, LIGHTING IN OUR CITY IN, IN TERMS OF, OF THE QUALITY OF LIGHT AND OF COURSE ENERGY CONSUMPTION. AND SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF LESSONS TO BE LEARNED HERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET PUBLICLY THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN BECAUSE, UH, IT COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT YOUR HELP. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. WE DEFINITELY THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA INFORM OUR, UM, ABILITIES TO BETTER SERVE. SO THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED TO TO TO READ IT. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SALDANA. THANK YOU CHAIR. I, UH, PAULA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR THE PRESENTATION, AGAIN, OFFERING US THIS VENUE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A FEW THINGS, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE CHECKPOINTS AND AT SOME POINTS WE MEET WITH INDIVIDUALS AND THEY ASK US ABOUT A INITIATIVE THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON. AND ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS MM-HMM. , UH, THAT I MET WITH RECENTLY THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS SENATOR MENENDEZ. AND, UH, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON A, ON THE IDEA, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE QUESTION I'M GONNA ASK YOU. AND IT'S, IT'S ONE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I, I NOD MY HEAD AND I THINK IT MIGHT WORK, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE PARTICULARS OF, OF YOUR SIDE, WHICH IS THIS, THIS IDEA OF TAKING A PART OF THE, THE CITY TO CON CONCEPTUALLY FIGURE WHAT A PARADE OF HOMES WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THAT WAS SUSTAINABLE TALKING. UH, AND, AND THE ELEMENTS THAT HE'S USED IS, UH, GREEN ROOFS, OR I'M SORRY, SOLAR PANELS, UH, SUSTAINABLY BUILT HOMES THAT WOULD BE IN PARTNERSHIP PERHAPS WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER. AND IN THE WAY THAT, UM, THAT PROVIDES SOME SORT OF PROOF OF CONCEPT THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE SOME, SOME SCARY IDEA TO BUILD A HOME IN THIS WAY. BECAUSE I KNOW FOR MAJOR DEVELOPERS, IT REALLY IS A OFF THE SHELF, THIS IS THE PLAYBOOK, PLAY BY IT AND DON'T MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. I THINK THE SCARY PART IS FINDING OUT WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT. UM, HOW FAR ALONG IS THAT THINKING OR HOW, HOW BAKED OR UNBAKED IS THAT IDEA AT THIS POINT? AND MAYBE HOW FEASIBLE IS THE QUESTION? I THINK THERE'S A TON OF ENTHUSIASM ABOUT IT. WE, WE ARE JUST IN, UM, TALKING, UM, IN REALITY, I THINK WE STARTED A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, REFRESHING OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, SCHOOLS AND ARE WE DOING ENOUGH WITH THE, WITH THE SCHOOLS LOCALLY AND IS THERE MORE? SO HE ASKED US TO FOCUS ON THAT AND REFRESH THAT AGAIN. SO WE'RE DOING THAT, BUT, BUT ON OUR LIST ALSO IS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF A HOME OR A NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, WELL, I HOPE SO. AND, AND I DON'T SEE SENATOR MENENDEZ GOING ANYWHERE ANYTIME SOON, . THAT'S FUNNY. UH, AND SO, UH, HE WON'T LET ME, HE, YEAH, HE WON'T LET ME FORGET. I THINK HE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE SOME, SOME CONCRETE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENTS. SOME M O U THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS OR EVEN WITH POTENTIAL HOME DEVELOPER. 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME ROLE FOR THE CITY TO PLAY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, HOUSING BONDS IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT LOOK NOT ONLY SUSTAINABLE, THEY'RE HO HOMES OF THE FUTURE, BUT THEY'RE ALSO AFFORDABLE. UH, AND I THINK WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT POLICY MAKERS AND GETTING THEM ALL IN THE ROOM, IF, IF YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED JUST ON ONE SUBJECT MATTER THAT IS JUST YOUR SUBJECT AND IT'S C P S AND I CARE ABOUT ENERGY AND RATES, AND IF YOU'RE THE CITY, YOU CARE ABOUT THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME. SO LET'S TRY TO PUT ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT, UH, WORKS WITH THE, THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WITH THE CITY AND ITS, ITS PURSUITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND C P S AND ITS PURSUIT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, RENEWABLE ENERGY, UH, UH, SUPPORT. SO, UM, FOOD FOR THOUGHT, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE QUESTION AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, I BROUGHT IT UP. THE OTHER IS I WANNA PAY A COMPLIMENT TO, UM, AGAIN, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH FOLKS AND THEN YOU, YOU HOLD ONTO THE QUESTION OR THE COMPLIMENT UNTIL YOU GET TO SEE 'EM. SO I WAS MEETING WITH SOME GROUP, UH, GROUPS OF FOLKS WHO WERE INTERESTED IN THE COMMUNITY ACTION PLAN MM-HMM. , UH, AS THAT PLANNING IS GOING THROUGH, AND THEY CAME IN TO DISCUSS THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S, UH, PURSUIT TOWARDS RENEWABLE, YOU [04:00:01] KNOW, AND THE QUESTION OF WHERE IN THE FUTURE DOES THAT, DOES THAT EXIST WHERE WE CAN HAVE HALF OF OUR PORTFOLIO LOOK MORE LIKE RENEWABLE AND, UH, SHUTTING DOWN COAL PLANTS? SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE KIND OF AUDIENCE I HAD IN MY OFFICE WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, AND I SAID, WHO AT C P S REALLY GETS IT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE? UH, UNDERSTANDS NOT ONLY THE, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN, BUT THE ECONOMICAL CONCERN. AND, UH, THEY SAID, CHRIS STER GETS IT . AND I, I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSE BECAUSE I'VE SEEN CHRIS TER DRIVE A, A CONCRETE TRUCK TO WORK . UH, AND SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE THAT'S AWESOME. AN EVER PRESENT ISSUE FOR THIS COUNCIL AS LONG AS WE HAVE A CONSTITUENCY THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT, UM, SAN ANTONIO SHOULD BE LEADING, UH, IN THIS CAUSE. AND I THINK, UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY BRING TO ME ARE ABOUT BOLD ACTIONS THAT SOMETIMES REQUIRE, UH, UH, A SENSE OF URGENCY TO THE TYPE OF TRANSITION THAT WE WANT TO MAKE AS A UTILITY INTO THE FUTURE. UH, BUT I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT GETS IT IN, IN THEIR TERMS. AND THIS IS A TOUGH AUDIENCE TO SATISFY. BUT, UH, I'M GRATEFUL THAT, THAT YOU ALL ARE CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND GIVING THEM THE TIME AND THE SPACE TO DISCUSS THEIR CONCERNS. BECAUSE MY, MY, THE, THE GREATEST FEAR I HAD TO, THE REACTION TO THAT QUESTION WAS NO ONE GETS IT. NO ONE GETS IT. AND, AND NO ONE EVEN SITS DOWN AND MEET WITH US. AND THAT IS 100% UNTRUE BECAUSE, UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD IT. AND THIS WAS BEHIND, UH, UH, A CLOSED DOOR MEETING. I ASKED THEM TO BE CANDID WITH ME AND THEY, THEY WERE VERY CANDID AND SAID THAT WE, WE ARE, WE'VE HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN OPEN-MINDED WITH THE DISCUSSIONS. WELL, THANK YOU. UM, THE, YOU KNOW, I'LL KEEP MY, UH, COMMENTS BRIEF. UM, I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY ELECTRONS AND MOLECULES LOVE EVERYONE. UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PASSIONATE FOR A LONG TIME AND, UM, WE ENJOY MEETING WITH THEM AND WE'VE PROBABLY BEEN GOING FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. PLUS THEY DO HAVE, UH, CHRIS'S PHONE NUMBER ON SPEED DIAL. SO, UM, WE VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. AND I DO SEE MARIO OVER THERES, AND HE IS, HE IS, UM, VERY SUPPORTIVE AND REALLY PAYS ATTENTION TO A LOT OF THINGS WE DO AND IN ADDITION TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING EVEN ON THE GAS SIDE OF OUR BUSINESS. SO WE, WE, WE DEFINITELY VALUE THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM THEM AND, AND FOCUS ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND WE'LL STAY COMMITTED TO LISTENING TO THEM AND GIVING 'EM AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN AND THEN SHAPING GOOD SOLUTIONS. SO. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK. UM, PAULA, AND, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A LOT TO SAY ABOUT SPRUCE . UH, AND SO, UM, JUST END BY SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU OR DRIVES A CONCRETE TRUCK OR BIKES TO WORK OR TAKES A NISSAN LEAF , BUT WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE DOING. THANK YOU SO MUCH, PAULA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I LEAVE? THAT'S . NO, YOU HAVE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE DONE. OKAY. NO, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR COMING. THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR A, A GOOD CONVERSATION. UM, THE TIME IS NOW 2:07 PM AND WE ARE NOW CLOSING OUR C P S BRIEFING AND RECONVENING OUR REGULAR A SESSION MEETING. AS PART OF THAT, WE ARE RECESSING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. UM, AND SO I GOTTA READ THAT TOO. I THINK PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORITY GRANTED BY CHAPTER 5 5, 1 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE V T C S, THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NEGOTIATIONS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.087, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE, LEASE, OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT SECTION CODE, CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.072 REAL PROPERTY. AND THE TIME IS NOW 2 0 2 0 8 PM ON THIS 11TH DAY OF OCTOBER, 2018. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.