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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT THE PRESENT TIME FOR THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE COMMITTEE.
I'M THE CHAIR FOR THE COMMITTEE.
UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SILENCE ALL YOUR CELL PHONES OR ANY OTHER DEVICE THAT MAY INTERRUPT THE PROCE PROCEEDS OF THE MEETING.
UH, IF WE COULD, JUDY, WOULD YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MS. BROWN FERNANDEZ HERE.
ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AMIN TAMMA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR DAN LIGUE, CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR, ALLEN SHARDO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER.
B S B LIAISON, ESTOR ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST.
AND JENNIFER MARTINEZ, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.
UH, WE HAVE A COMMENT, OUR INFORMATION ABOUT ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
UH, I LEARNED RECENTLY THAT OUR COLLEAGUE ON THE BOARD, JESSE ZUNIGAS WIFE, PASSED AWAY AFTER LONG ILLNESS.
THEY DID HAVE THE SERVICES FOR HER YESTERDAY.
UH, BEING NEW TO THE BOARD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IF, UH, WE SEND A CARD OF CONDOLENCE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OR THE CITY OR THE DEPARTMENT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION, MR. CHAIR.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT MS. BROWN IS PRESENT.
WE HAVE RECEIVED COPIES OF THE MINUTES.
UH, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE MINUTES.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D, UH, MOTION TO PASS THE MINUTES WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL, UH, WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? MR. CHAIR? UH, WE NEED TO HAVE THE SPANISH, UH, TRANSLATION DONE FIRST.
UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US THE SPANISH TRANSLATION.
I WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING PRESENT TODAY.
UH, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, THE MEETING IS ALSO BEING STREAMED ONLINE, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE FOLKS PROVIDE INFORMATION TO US.
ALSO, UH, EVERYONE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE INPUT TO THIS PANEL BY GOING TO THE CITY, UH, WEBSITE AND TO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PORTION OF THE WEBSITE, AND PICK UP THE FORUM AND PROVIDE INPUT TO ANY CODE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE CONSIDER.
UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
UH, AND THE DISCUSSION IS OPEN FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANY COMMENT, CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN A SECOND TO THE MOTION.
I SECOND MOTION IS MADE BY MR. ANDIS.
BY THIS TIME, I WILL GET IT RIGHT.
THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS DRAFTED.
AT THIS TIME, THE PANEL WILL ADJOURN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES, THE FIRST ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT TODAY IS, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS FOR ADDITIONAL PANEL MEMBERS.
UH, AND DANNY, IF YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND TELL US WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO YEAH.
BEFORE WE ADJOURN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, DANNY LEE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR.
AGAIN, UM, THANK YOU GUYS, UH, FOR EVERYONE SERVING ON THE COMMITTEE THIS EVENING AND OR RATHER THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, MR. NELSON, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB TAKING A BULL BY THE HORN, SO I APPRECIATE YOU GETTING AHEAD OF IT.
AND SO, KIND OF STEALING MY THUNDER, BUT THAT'S GREAT,
WE HAVE AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN GET.
SO ITEM NUMBER TWO, IT, UM, AS MR. NELSON MENTIONED,
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IT'S CONSIDERATION APPOINTMENT FOR FOUR NON B S B MEMBERS TO SERVE ON THE SAN PROPERTY AND MAINTENANCE COMMITTEE.UM, WE, IT IS AN IMPORTANT, UM, I GUESS, COMPONENT OF THIS REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET PUBLIC INPUT.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A SLIDE FOR THE LAST PRESENTATION.
HOWEVER, I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THERE ARE FOUR NON APPOINTED MEMBERS THAT WILL BE SERVING ON THE S A P M C COMMITTEE, UM, THAT WILL GET A CHANCE TO SIT AT THE DAAS.
HOWEVER, JUST WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOUR INPUT WON'T BE HEARD.
I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION, WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE DAAS OR THE SIDE OF THE, WHERE THE PUBLIC SITS, UH, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A COMMENT, OPEN COMMENT.
AND I BELIEVE MR. NELSON, LAST TIME YOU MENTIONED, SO PROVIDED YOU STAY ON TOPIC, UH, YOU WILL HAVE UNLIMITED TIME TO SPEAK.
SO I DO WANNA REEMPHASIZE THAT AGAIN TO THE, THE PUBLIC.
UM, AGAIN, JUST A REMINDER THAT THE, UH, NON APPOINTED MEMBERS ARE NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THE QUORUM AND DO NOT HAVE A VOTE.
BUT AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR INPUT'S VERY VALUABLE.
SO AT THIS POINT THEN, AT THIS POINT, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THE APPLICANTS YEP.
WHERE WE GO ON OUR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
SO, UH, I HAVE A LIST OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED IN TO SPEAK AND WE'LL CALL 'EM OUT IN ORDER OF THEIR SIGNING IN.
THE FIRST PERSON THAT SIGNED IN WAS GARY TORRANCE.
AND GARY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
DOES HE NEED TO GIVE US AN ADDRESS OR JUST NAME? UH, JUST THE NAME.
AND, UH, TO PUT ON THE RECORD, HE'S A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE, SIR, TO, UH, GIVE US SOME INFORMATION.
UH, I TAKE IT, UH, THIS IS, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY I'M HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, TO SERVE ON A BOARD, UH, JUST RECENTLY RETIRED AS, UH, SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF MY BACKGROUND.
UH, US ARMY LANCE MISSILE CREWMAN, TACTICAL NUKES, UH, 74 76, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, TRAFFIC SIGNAL TECHNICIAN, UH, ENDING UP AS A, UH, A TECHNICIAN SUPERVISOR ABOUT 12 YEARS.
CITY, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT, HEAVY EQUIPMENT MECHANIC.
UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS, UH, SAW, UH, SENIOR CALIBRATION AND INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR YEARS.
UH, SONY SEMICONDUCTOR, UH, SENIOR, UH, REACTIVE ION ETCH AND METROLOGY, UH, TECHNICIAN, UH, ABOUT 10 YEARS.
UH, MASTER LINE KEEPER, UH, GOLDEN ALUMINUM, UH, STARTED THAT UP.
UH, SENIOR CASTER, HOT MILL, UH, TECHNICIAN, UH, CALIBRATION AND INSTRUMENTATION TECHNICIAN, AS WELL AS PROGRAMMING PLCS, UH, ACCENTURE FEDERAL SERVICES.
UH, SENIOR CONSULTANT, UH, UH, WORKED WITH, UH, TREASURY DEPARTMENT, U SS P S.
SEVERAL OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING D O D, HAVE, UH, HIGH SECURITY, PUBLIC TRUST, UH, CLEARANCES, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT AGENCIES, INCLUDING TREASURY, AND AS I SAID, U S P S, UH, D O D, UH, PROJECTS OF, UH, TOP SECRET, UH, SECURE, UH, COMPARTMENTALIZED INFORMATION CLEARANCE, OR I DID UNTIL I RETIRED TWO WEEKS AGO.
SO, SO I'M REALLY JUST LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO SERVE AFTER HAVING, UH, RETIRED.
UH, STEVE SCALES, UH, I GUESS I SHOULD, MR. TORRANCE, YOU WOULD CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
YES, HE DID SERVE AS A CITY OR AS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY.
UH, MR. SCALES, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND VERIFY THAT YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, I WAS A LOSS CONTROL CONSULTANT SAFETY INSPECTOR FOR THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.
MOVED OUT OF THAT INTO THE EDUCATION INDUSTRY FOR SOME 20 ODD YEARS.
RIGHT NOW, BUDGETS SEEM TO BE REALLY STRETCHED.
USUALLY ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT STARTS TO SUFFER WHEN A BUDGET IS STRETCHED IN A BUSINESS ARE, UH, IN A SCHOOL, IN A CITY ENTITY, IS MAINTENANCE AND BUILDING CONSTRUCTION QUALITIES.
I'M SEEING THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
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RAY MORALES, PLEASE, AND AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND VERIFY THAT YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO.RAY MORALES, 2 0 3 MEDFORD DRIVE.
I AM A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO, AND, UM, I'M A, ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN RETIRED FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS AS A REGISTERED ARCHITECT, I STILL MAINTAIN MY TEXAS BOARD OF, UH, UH, ARCHITECTURE LICENSE.
AND, UH, THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS I'VE VOLUNTEERED FOR, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, COMMUNITY, UH, ARTS PROGRAMS, AND, UM, HOAS ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARDS.
UM, I AM A PRESENT MEMBER OF T ONE NC TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AND, UH, PARTICIPATED IN THE LATEST ROUND OF, UH, U D C AMENDMENT PROPOSALS TO THE CITY.
UM, AND, UM, I LIKE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD.
UM, UH, I DON'T HAVE PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH THE S A P M C, BUT, UH, I'M WELL AWARE OF ITS PRIMARY INTENT, WHICH IS, UH, TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE.
UH, AND THOSE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH ARCHITECTURAL PRINCIPLES.
UH, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS MONICA CRUZ, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
A, UH, MY, I'M A COMMUNITY RESEARCHER AND URBAN DEMOGRAPHER, UM, IN BY TRAINING.
I'VE DONE RESEARCH IN SAN ANTONIO ON HOUSING ISSUES, AND HAVE SERVED AS A COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS SHIP.
I VOLUNTEERED FOR INITIATIVES, UH, TO MAKE COSMETIC CHANGES, UH, LIKE HOUSE PAINTING FOR OLDER HOMES, AND HAVE OBSERVED THE AGING HOUSING STOCK IN OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS FIRSTHAND.
IN FACT, A LITTLE RESEARCH THAT I DID BEFORE COMING HERE WITH A AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY OF THE US CENSUS BUREAU, I, IT APPROXIMATES AT ABOUT 30% OF THE HOUSING STOCK IN SAN ANTONIO IS AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD.
SO, UM, BOTH SHIP AND THE MAYOR'S HOUSING POLICY REPORT, TASK FORCE REPORT STATE THAT THE MOST AFFORDABLE HOME IS THE ONE THAT YOU CURRENTLY OWN.
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE STRUCTURE AND LACK OF RESOURCES AMONG SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS CAN CREATE VERY PRECARIOUS LIVING CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY AMONG OUR ELDERLY AND THOSE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES.
THEREFORE, I'D LIKE TO SERVE AS A COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COMMITTEE TO LEARN AND EXPLORE INNOVATIVE IDEAS AND WAYS THAT WE CAN FURTHER LEVERAGE COMMUNITY SUPPORT OR ENGAGE LOCAL PARTNERS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, UH, ESPECIALLY AS WE CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE SHORTAGES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN SAN ANTONIO.
I BELIEVE THE SHARED INTEREST AMONG EVERYONE HERE ALONG WITH CITY STAFF, IS THAT WE WANT EVERY SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT TO HAVE SAFE, DECENT, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE THEY CAN LIVE WITH DIGNITY.
AND I'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT VISION.
AND JUST AS A REMINDER, AGAIN, YOUR NAME AND VERIFY THAT YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO.
I KNOW I MAKE THE EYE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
UH, MY NAME IS IRMA HOFFMAN, AND I'M A, WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE ON THE WEST SIDE IN MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER'S HOME, WHICH STILL STANDS, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND, UM, I HAVE LIVED AND WORKED HERE AS A NURSE PRACTITIONER FOR 35 YEARS, WORKING WITH CHILDREN WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DELAYS.
SO I HAVE LITERALLY VISITED OVER THE 35 YEARS AND BEEN INSIDE HOMES IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, SPECIFICALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WEST SIDE, EAST SIDE.
UM, I'VE ALSO VISITED SHELTERS AND HOTELS IN UNDER BRIDGES DEPENDING ON WHERE THE FAMILIES LIVE OR HAVE BEEN, UM, UH, SETTLED IN.
UM, AND I CAN SEE OVER THE YEARS HOW MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE STRUGGLING FOR HOUSING OR THEIR HOMES ARE BECOMING DILAPIDATED.
UH, MORE SO BECAUSE OF FUNDS THAT THEY LACK.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP IN REHABILITATING THESE HOMES AND HELPING THE FAMILIES.
AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE ARE INCREASING PROBLEMS WITH HOMELESSNESS AND SO FORTH.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BE A POSITIVE ELEMENT IN, IN HELPING.
NA RODRIGUEZ, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'VE MISPRONOUNCED THE FIRST NAME.
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34 11 ELM HILL.I'M A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO.
I'M CURRENTLY A LICENSED, UH, HOME BUILDER, GENERAL CONTRACTOR HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS.
UM, I CAME TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS COMMITTEE WAS ALL ABOUT.
I HAD NO IDEA, UM, IF MY EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE COULD HELP IN ANY WAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE.
I I DO TESTIMONY ALSO FOR CONSTRUCTION DEFECT IN STATE AND FEDERAL COURT, UM, AND, UH, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING 40 YEARS.
STEFAN LOPEZ OCHOA, RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
I AM AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF URBAN REGIONAL PLANNING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SAN ANTONIO.
I AM, UH, UH, A, A A PERSON THAT'S DEDICATED FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, OF MY LIFE, TO RESEARCH HOUSING ISSUES IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, UM, AND THE WORLD, UH, LOOKING AT HOW, UH, LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES HAVE TO BATTLE WITH, UH, DIFFERENT ISSUES OF DISPLACEMENT, GENTRIFICATION, AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE.
UM, I'M CURRENTLY INVOLVED WITH DIFFERENT, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, UH, LIKE THE, UH, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF LATINO COMMUNITY BUILDERS ASSETS ON, UH, CREATING MEASURES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE INDICATORS IN SAN ANTONIO, AS WELL AS RESEARCHING THE, THE DEMOLITIONS AND, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE IN THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO.
UM, I'M HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN HOUSING ISSUES, LOOKING FOR, UH, DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF HOW TO ASSESS THE PROBLEM, UH, FROM A SOCIOECONOMIC PERSPECTIVE AND, UH, A SOCIAL JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE.
I FEEL THAT, UH, MY EXPERIENCE CAN BE A LOT OF, UM, CAN BE OF HIGH VALUE TO THE, UH, COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, I THINK WE ALL WILL BE STRIVING TO CREATE A MORE EQUITABLE, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, PROCESS HERE.
I HAVE EXPERIENCE OVER UNDERSTANDING CODE ENFORCEMENT IN OTHER CITIES, SPECIFICALLY IN CHAMPAIGN URBANA, WHERE I DID MY DOCTORAL DEGREE IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.
HI, MY NAME IS LETICIA SANCHEZ AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT FIVE AND CO-CHAIR PERSON OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE NEAR WEST SIDE OF DISTRICT FIVE.
OUR ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN ACTIVELY ASSISTING RESIDENTS WHO CALL FOR HELP WITH CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES, WITH NOTICES TO VACATE, AS WELL AS WITH ISSUES ABOUT DEMOLITION.
BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS WE, UH, WERE RECEIVING, WE LOOKED INTO THE CITY'S DATA ON CODE CITATIONS ISSUED AND FOUND THAT DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT TWO HAD THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF CITATIONS ISSUED IN THE CITY.
IN MEETING WITH, UH, D S D STAFF AND MICHAEL SHANNON, WE WERE INFORMED THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT OUR RESIDENTS WERE IN VIOLATION OF, AND WHICH WE BELIEVED WERE EITHER UNFAIR OR TOO VAGUE, UH, WERE CODES THAT, UH, COULD ONLY BE CHANGED THROUGH THE P M C PROCESS.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT MY EXPERIENCE ASSISTING NUMEROUS RESIDENTS WITH THEIR CODE ISSUES CAN HELP THIS COMMITTEE UNDERSTAND HOW, UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES IMPACT HOUSEHOLDS AND HOW SOME MODIFICATION TO THE LANGUAGE OF THESE CODES WOULD HELP IMPROVE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY HELP TO KEEP RESIDENTS IN THEIR HOMES.
RE UEL A CORRECTION I'VE HAD FROM THE PANEL.
YEAH, IT'S, UM, MY NAME IS UEL TREJO.
I AM A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO, AND I LIVE IN THE CITY OF ANTONIO.
SO I'VE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND I'VE SEEN HOW CODE VIOLATIONS, UM, CONTEND TO INTIMIDATE OUR CITIZENS FROM PARTICIPATING IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
MY DAD PRIDED HIMSELF ON OVERCOMING THESE OBSTACLES SUCH AS LANGUAGE BARRIERS, CONFUSING INFORMATION, UM, THE LACK OF BEING INFORMED OF HIS INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN.
SO HE SOUGHT TO EDUCATE THOSE AROUND HIM IN AN EFFORT TO UPLIFT THE REST OF HIS COMMUNITY.
AND MY DAD TAUGHT ME TO UPLIFT THOSE AROUND ME.
AND SINCE HE'S NO LONGER HERE TO DO SO, I FEEL OBLIGATED TO STEP UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE I'M, I'M COMMITTED TO ELEVATING CONCERNS OF
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RESIDENTS WHO STILL STRUGGLE TO ARTICULATE THEIR THOUGHTS.I'VE BEEN DOING MY RESEARCH AND DEDICATING TIME TO ANALYZING AND UNDERSTANDING THE SS A P M C, AND I'VE ALREADY, UM, I'VE ALREADY EXPRESSED THESE CONCERNS TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF, AND HAVE ENCOURAGED THEM TO COME OUT AND PUBLICLY COMMENT AS WELL.
I INTEND TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AS YOU ALL EXPRESSED THAT, THAT IS A VERY BIG CONCERN TO YOU.
UM, AND I INTEND TO BE AS FAIR AND JUST AS THE REST OF THE MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD.
UH, IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DID NOT SIGN UP TO SPEAK AS HAD ALREADY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO COME UP AND PRESENT YOURSELF? OKAY, GOOD.
I DO HAVE THREE LETTERS TO READ INTO THE RECORD FROM APPLICANTS THAT WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND TODAY'S HEARING.
THE FIRST ONE IS FROM CARRIE VAN LOUDIN.
THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO THE UPCOMING MEETING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I AM MEETING WITH THE CLIENT TOMORROW AT 1:00 PM TO GO OVER HIS PROPERTY TAX DISPUTE WITH, WITH BEXAR COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT.
SO THEREFORE, I'M TAKING MY MINUTE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO YOU.
I AM 56 YEAR OLD FROM FREDERICKSBURG, TEXAS.
HOWEVER, I HAVE LIVED IN SAN ANTONIO SINCE 1985.
I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER OF SEVERAL BUSINESSES, A POLICE OFFICER IN 1996, AND INHERITED MY MOTHER'S BUSINESS 10 YEARS AGO, WHICH DESIGNS AND REMODELS, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
FOUR YEARS AGO, I STARTED HELPING INDIVIDUALS WITH THEIR PROPERTY DISPUTES AND HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
I HAVE WORKED WITH THE FIESTA COMMISSION, SPURS ENTERTAINMENT, AND JUST ABOUT ALL THE LOCAL NETWORKS.
I'M A LEADER, NOT A FOLLOWER, A DOER, NOT A WATCHER.
I KNOW IT TAKES HARD WORK AND MOTIVATION TO KEEP OUR CITY MAINTAINED AND I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST ANY WAY I CAN.
AGAIN, THAT'S FROM CARRIE VAN LUDEN.
JUDY, WHAT WAS THAT NAME AGAIN, PLEASE? CARRIE VAUGHN LUDEN.
ANYONE ELSE? YES, FROM ANGELA CARDONA DE LA GARZA.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU MY INTEREST IN THIS COMMITTEE BY THESE MEANS AS MY WORK SCHEDULE CANNOT ALLOW ME TO MEET WITH YOU IN PERSON WITH TWO DAYS NOTICE.
HOWEVER, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD TO AID IN THE CONVERSATION AS YOU REVIEW THE SS A P M C.
MY NAME IS ANGELA CARDONA DE LA GARZA, LONGTIME RESIDENT OF DISTRICT THREE, PROPERTY OWNER, PAST PRESIDENT AND ACTIVE BOARD MEMBER OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THROUGH THE YEARS, OUR AREA ASSOCIATIONS HAVE LEANED HEAVILY ON OUR CODE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS TO HELP REMEDY OUTSTANDING ISSUES.
AND WHILE WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE COLLABORATION OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, WE HAVE LEARNED THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN LEND A HAND TO HELP THEM DO THEIR JOBS BETTER.
AS OFTENTIMES THEY'RE LIMITED DUE TO THE CURRENT CODE, MY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT HAS ALLOWED FOR ME TO ATTEND MANY B S B MEETINGS.
AND THROUGH THAT ENGAGEMENT I HAVE TAKEN TO HEART MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE PENALIZED OUR LONG TIME INNER CITY RESIDENTS.
I AM HUMBLY REQUESTING TO HAVE A SEAT IN THESE CONVERSATIONS TO REPRESENT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE VARIOUS IMPLICATIONS OUR CO CURRENT CODE HAS HAD ON OUR RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AS WELL AS CHAMPION FOR THOSE CODES THAT SHOULD REMAIN.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING THIS BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND I LOOK, I LOOK FORWARD TO LENDING MY KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
THE LAST ONE IS FROM MARK ROSS WITH BOB ROSS, REAL TEAM.
UH, JUDY, IS YOUR MIC WORKING? YES, SIR.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT IT APPARENTLY NEEDS TO BE TURNED UP IF YOU CAN.
LEMME KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW.
COULD YOU HEAR THAT ONE? OKAY.
THIS ONE IS FROM MARK ROSS WITH BOB ROSS REALTY.
MY NAME IS MARK ROSS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING IN PERSON.
I AM ATTENDING A GRADUATION OF FAMILY MEMBER OUT OF TOWN.
I AM PRESIDENT OF BOB BRAS REALTY AND OUR COMPANY OWNS AND OPERATES SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS APARTMENTS AND OTHER COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE IN SAN ANTONIO SINCE THE 1950S.
IN 2014, I SERVED ON THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE TASK FORCE THAT WAS CHARGED WITH CREATING THE SS A P M C.
I HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AS I HAVE REPRESENTED BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS AND RENTAL HOUSING INTEREST.
I SERVED AS PRESIDENT OF THE HUNTERS CREEK NORTH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND WAS ON THE BOARD FROM 1990 TO 1998.
I'M ALSO A PAST PRESIDENT OF THE SAN ANTONIO AND TEXAS APARTMENT ASSOCIATIONS, AS WELL AS SERVING AS A 2016 CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF THE NATIONAL APARTMENT ASSOCIATION.
THIS BACKGROUND HAS ALLOWED ME TO SEE BOTH SIDES OF ISSUES AND TO WORK WITH BOTH NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRADE ASSOCIATIONS TO RESOLVE ISSUES.
I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY ISSUES FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS, SERVING ON MANY CITY BOARDS, MANY TASK FORCES AND WORKING GROUPS,
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INCLUDING FIRST LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION TASK FORCE, THE SA CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SAN ANTONIO INTERNATIONAL BASE ADJUSTMENT STRATEGY COMMITTEE, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, MASTER PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, TASK FORCE, RISK MITIGATION AND DISPLACEMENT TASK FORCE.AS A CHAIRMAN OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HOUSING TRUST FOUNDATION, I CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES APPEAL AND ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS REVIEWING ALL THE OTHER I C C CODES.
I HAVE WORKED ON CODE ISSUES WITH BOTH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT INVOLVING RENTAL HOUSING FOR MORE YEARS THAN I CAN ADMIT.
I HAVE COLLABORATED IN DRAFTING SOME OF THE CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS AND SOME SECTIONS OF THE ORIGINAL SS A P M C.
I'M VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON TEXAS PROPERTY CODE, WHICH ESTABLISHES THE DUTIES OF BOTH LANDLORDS AND OCCUPANTS THAT CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN BY CITY ORDINANCES.
IN SOME CASES, I FEEL THAT MY BACKGROUND AND KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE OF VALUABLE RESOURCE TO THE B S V.
I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND ACCORDING ME TO ONE OF THE FOUR POSITIONS.
UH, I GUESS THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT OF THE, UH, BEXAR COUNTY AREA.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGING ALL HOMEOWNERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR PROPERTY APPRAISAL, AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S INCORRECT, UH, APPEAL THAT PROCESS.
UH, AND IF YOU GO ONLINE, UH, TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, YOU WILL FIND THEM GIVING YOU INFORMATION ON WHAT YOU CAN APPEAL AND HOW TO APPEAL.
IT'S THE SUPPOSEDLY THE EASIEST WAY TO APPEAL EVER, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE, YOU CAN DO IT BY MAIL OR YOU CAN DO IT IN PERSON.
AND I KNOW, DANNY, YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMMENT, BUT IT'S A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE 29 APPLICANTS.
UH, IT'S FANTASTIC TO SEE THAT KIND OF PARTICIPATION AND DESIRE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY.
I WILL SAY THIS, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE PANEL TO SELECT JUST FOUR MEMBERS, AND IF FOR SOME REASON YOU ARE NOT SELECTED AS ONE OF THOSE FOUR MEMBERS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S WEBSITE.
THERE ARE SEVERAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN AND CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, BUT ESPECIALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING AN INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR PANEL.
UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ADJOURN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE TIME IS NOW, UH, 1 32 ON 13 MAY.
UH, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE COMMITTEE OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW CONVENE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE PERSONNEL MATTERS, SECTION 5 5 1 0.074, AND ATTORNEY-CLIENT CONSULTATION SECTION 5 5 1 0.071.
WE WILL ADJOURN INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE TIME IS NOW 2 32 ON 13 MAY, 2022.
THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE COMMITTEE OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION.
NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO NOMINATIONS STARTING ON THE FAR END TO MY LEFT.
UH, WE WOULD INVITE YOU TO MAKE YOUR NOMINATION AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, MY FIRST NOMINATION.
JUST ONE I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE.
THE NEXT NOMINATION IS AS LES, IM GONNA NOMINATE BAN LOPEZ OCHO.
THAT WAS ESTO, UH, ESTEBAN LOPEZ.
IS THAT CORRECT? ESTEBAN LOPEZ.
AND THE NEXT NOMINATION IS NEPAL RODRIGUEZ.
AND THE NEXT NOMINATION IS, IT'S GONNA BE YOU, UM, REJO.
AND THE NEXT NOMINATION ROBERT IS GONNA BE, UH, RAY MORALES.
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AND THE NEXT NOMINATION IS MY NOMINATION IS, UH, YOU REJO RIVERA.AND THE FINAL NOMINATION IS, WELL, WELL, MY, MY NOMINATION IS US.
UH, THE CHAIR ELECTED TO NOT NOMINATE ANYONE.
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE HAVE FOUR NOMINATIONS.
SO I WOULD, UH, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM.
UM, CAN WE QUICKLY GO BACK, UH, PLEASE.
I, UH, EACH BOARD MEMBER PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
UH, BEFORE STATING YOUR NOMINEE, UH, I THINK SOME OF YOU DID, BUT, UH, LET'S JUST GET EVERYBODY DO IT AGAIN.
VERY GOOD TO GET IT ON THE RECORD.
SO, ANN WEINER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND AGAIN, YOUR NOMINATION.
THIS IS ANN WEINER AND I'M GOING TO NOMINATE UL TREJO RIVERA.
AND THE NEXT, UH, JOISE ESTEBAN LOPEZ OCHO VERY GOOD.
I'M NOMINATING YULI, UH, TRA VEO.
IT'S ROBERT TAPIA, UH, NOMINATING RAY MORALES.
DAVID GARZA, NOMINATING UL RA.
I'M NOMINATING UL BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR NOMINATIONS.
THOSE FOUR NOMINATIONS ARE SELECTED BY, UNLESS THERE IS OBJECTION BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
AND WE INVITE THE FOUR OF YOU TO PLEASE COME UP.
UH, ACTUALLY DO WE HAVE THAT MANY CHAIRS? JUDY? THERE'S THREE.
THE FOUR OF YOU, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
UH, SINCE UH, THE NOMINATIONS WERE MADE, THE FIRST VOTE WILL NEED TO BE, UH, WELL, UH, THESE WERE JUST NOMINATIONS.
SO A MOTION WILL NEED TO BE MADE TO ACCEPT THE, UM, THE, UH, NOMINEES.
THEN THE SECOND VOTE WILL NEED TO BE, UH, WE APPOINT THE FOLLOWING WITH THEIR NAMES LISTED, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT UP FOR A VOTE.
CHAIR WILL ACCEPT A MOTION THEN TO ACCEPT THE FOUR NOMINEES.
UM, I MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE FOUR NOMINEES.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
THEN THE, UH, ELECTION OF THOSE FOUR IS CONFIRMED.
UH, CHAIR WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPOINT THESE INDIVIDUALS TO THE COMMITTEE.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I, UH,
MOTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE TO ACCEPT I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION.
MR. ANDIS, UH, YOU'LL NEED TO, UH, NAME THE FOUR INDIVIDUALS.
OH, I NEED THERE A TESTING IN HERE.
MR. CHAIR, I NOMINATE MOVE TO, I, I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION.
THE NOMINATION OF, AND IF I PRONOUNCE YOUR NAMES WRONG, SORRY.
ANN WEINER, YOU THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE NOMINATION FOR AL TREJO, ESAN LOPEZ, NEEL RODRIGUEZ AND RAY MORALES.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NO DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
HEARING NONE, WE ACCEPT THE MO, THE NOMINEES AND DO COUNCIL,
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DO WE NEED TO, UH, GO THROUGH A VOTE AGAIN OF EX UH, POINTING THEM TO THE BOARD OR TO THE COMMITTEE? NO, THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THAT CARE OF ALL THAT WAS VOTE.BUT I DO, UH, DO WANNA ADVISE THE PUBLIC AND ALL APPLICANTS THAT EVEN IF YOU WERE NOT, UH, SELECTED TO SIT ON THE DAAS DOES NOT PREVENT YOUR PARTICIPATION IN ANY MANNER.
IN FACT, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO CONTINUE TO ATTEND EVERY HEARING AND, AND MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD.
AND SO, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST.
AND AS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS SAID, PLEASE ENCOURAGE EVERY SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT YOU COME ACROSS TO ATTEND.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO POINTS THERE.
ONE IS, AS COUNSEL SAID, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FIRST OF ALL, FOR APPLYING.
SECONDLY, WE DO WANT YOU TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE.
UH, AND THIRD, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC CODE, THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT.
AND THE WAY TO DO THAT IS FILL OUT THE INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE, UH, FROM THE SAN ANTONIO CITY WEBSITE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF.
UH, SO YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY PARTICIPATE ON WHAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING UP AS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTERNATIONAL CODE AND THE SAN ANTONIO CODE, BUT ALSO ANYTHING THAT YOU OUGHT TO HAVE CONSIDERED OUT OF THE CURRENT SAN ANTONIO CODE.
UH, DANNY DID I SAY ALL OF THAT? OKAY.
UM, IF YOU COULD REMIND ANY OF THE APPLICANTS OR THE PUBLIC THAT THERE'S A VACANCY FOR THIS BOARD IN DISTRICT SEVEN.
YOU CAN SEE IN DISTRICT SEVEN FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE B S B BOARD, AND WE HAD SOME APPLICANTS FROM DISTRICT SEVEN THAT DID APPLY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CONSIDER.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S, AND THIS IS DAVID GARZA MAKING THOSE COMMENTS, BECAUSE WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ANYONE FROM DISTRICT SEVEN TO REAPPLY FOR A POSITION ON THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
UH, THE, THE PROCESS ON THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD RIGHT NOW IS YOU WOULD BE MEETING ONE TIME A MONTH AND YOU'D BE HEARING CASES SPECIFIC TO THE SAN ANTONIO CODE, UH, AND MAKING DECISIONS ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY ITSELF.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE OKAY ON THE AGENDA THEN? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
I, I THINK WE WANTED TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO TO, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO.GOV AND BE ABLE TO APPLY THERE.
UH, THERE IS AN APPLICATION PROCESS THAT'S VERY EASY AND YOU CAN APPLY ONLINE.
UH, IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UH, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER APPLYING FOR THE DISTRICT SEVEN BILLING STANDARDS BOARD POSITION THAT'S OPEN.
THIS IS JUST COMMITTEE, THE ACTUAL BOARD POSITION AT THIS POINT.
THE, UH, FOUR MEMBERS, UH, NON-VOTING MEMBERS WHO ARE SELECTED.
UH, Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO TAKE YOUR SEATS UP ON THE DIOCESE OR STAY WHERE YOU ARE.
SO, UH, WHICHEVER YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
WHERE'S THE OTHER GUY? DID THE OTHER GENTLEMAN LEAVE? GOOD.
EACH LETTER YOU'RE SITTING OVER.
RAY, YOU'RE NEXT TO THE COOKIES.
SO WE, WE, SO FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE MISSING A INDIVIDUAL.
NOW I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO A ROLL CALL TO FIND OUT WHO IT IS.
UH, NO, IT'S, UH, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE WEIRD THING.
OH, UH, NATAL RODRIGUEZ NATAL NO.
FOR THE REC FOR THE RECORD, UH, THE BOARD HAS SELECTED
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A CANDIDATE, UH, NAEL RODRIGUEZ.UH, HE IS NOT PRESENT FOR THE REMAINDER, OR AT LEAST PRESENT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE BOARD.
AND FOR THE NEWCOMERS ON THE, UH, I SAID BOARD, EXCUSE ME.
THE COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THE NEWCOMERS ON THE COMMITTEE, IT IS A REMINDER THAT THIS IS FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION OF SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE REVISIONS, UH, OR CHANGES.
UH, IT IS NOT A BEING A MEMBER OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, PER SE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ISSUE? WHO ELSE? AT THIS TIME WE WILL START WITH A DISCUSSION ON, UH, CHAPTER SIX.
UH, ARTICLE FOUR ITEMS. SORRY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, COULD I GET A BOOK PLEASE? 'CAUSE I WASN'T HERE LAST MEETING.
IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRA, IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRA ONE, LEMME GET ONE.
I NEED A BOOK, PLEASE,
HEY DANNY, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH BOOKS FOR THE NEW MEMBERS? YES.
LEMME GET SOMEBODY TO GET SOME.
UH, SO THE PUBLIC HAS AN IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE DELAYING ON.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO BE PICKING UP THE, UH, COPIES OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE, WHICH IS THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE NEW MEMBERS ON THE PANEL.
MR. THEY DON'T HAVE THESE, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THAT'S THE ONE GOING, ACTUALLY.
THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT IS ABOUT.
UH, THE INFORMATION THAT IS ON THE CURRENT CODE COMING OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR VERSION, UH, IS GOING TO BE ON THE SPREADSHEET.
SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO, OUR PANEL MEMBERS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE CODE IS WRITTEN WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WOULD BE CHANGED.
AND AGAIN, SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IS COMING OUT OF THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, PUBLIC CODE.
SO THAT'S THE PROCESSES THAT WE'VE GOT.
AND WE'RE ON HOLD UNTIL WE GET THE I P C FOR EVERYONE.
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SO HAVING, THIS WILL ACTUALLY JUST BE COMPLICATION OF CONFUSION BECAUSE YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THE WRITING, UH, FROM THIS CODE ON THE SPREADSHEET.
ACTUALLY, WE'RE WORKING OUT OF I M P C.
UH, WELL, YOU ARE ACTUALLY WORKING FOR TWO DIFFERENT PROS.
ONE IS THE, OUR NEWLY, UH, I NEWLY ELECTED, UH, BOARD, I MEAN, NOT BOARD MEMBER, BUT COMMITTEE MEMBER.
SHE HAS, UH, SHE HAS BECOME THE SMARTY PANTS ALREADY.
SHE HAS ELECTED TO READ IT OUT LOUD TO US.
AND YOU'D PLAN TO DO THAT ANYWAY? YES.
EVERYBODY GOT A COPY? EVERYBODY GOT A COPY? YEAH.
IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE NEWLY APPOINTED, UH, MEMBERS TO THE COMMITTEE.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR INPUT, UH, DURING THIS REVIEW PROCESS.
UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THE BOOKS ON, UM, ON HAND.
HOWEVER, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE SANTO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WE DO HAVE A LINK ONLINE, UM, MUNI CODE, ESSENTIALLY, AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE CODE, UH, IT'S FREE OF CHARGE AND YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ANY SECTION YOU WANNA DOWNLOAD OR THE ENTIRE CODE IF YOU NEED TO AS WELL.
SO, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A COPY OF THE 2021 I P M C FOR EVERYONE.
IF YOU DIDN'T GET A COPY, LET ME KNOW.
UM, BUT, UM, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A, A COPY OF THE P M C, BUT WE'LL GET YOU SAP PCS IF YOU NEED IT.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL GET STARTED.
UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TODAY, RIGHT NOW DISCUSS, UM, CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, UH, AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED FROM THE PUBLIC JUST YET.
SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA REVIEW ALL THE, UH, CHANGES THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, IN COMPARISON TO THE, UH, 2018 SS A P M C.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO OVER 24 AGENDA ITEMS TODAY.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA OPEN UP A FEW OF THEM.
WELL, MATTER OF FACT, ALL OF THEM ARE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
WE'RE GONNA PRESENT OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND AT ANY POINT, UH, YOU WANNA OPEN FOR DISCUSSION, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE CAN STOP AND OPEN IT UP.
SO THE FIRST ITEM, UH, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT TODAY IS SECTION 1 0 1 GENERAL, UM, IN THE 2018, UH, SANTO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
AND IF YOU GUYS ARE, OKAY, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT S A P M C, JUST FOR SHORT ACRONYM.
UM, IT, IT READS SECTION 1 0 1 GENERAL, UH, IN THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING, OR THEY MADE A CHANGE TO THAT, UH, TITLE, UH, THEY'VE ADDED, UH, SCOPE AND REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO LET ME JUST BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT.
SO, ANYTHING YOU SEE IN BOLD, IN BLACK BOLD IS A, UH, A CHANGE THAT WAS, UM, I GUESS, UH, MADE IN THE 2021, UH, I P M C.
AND SO THEREFORE, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE CHANGE THERE WHERE READ SCOPE AND, AND REQUIREMENTS.
UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
UM, AND AGAIN, UM, EACH, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS IN EACH SLIDE IS GONNA BE A COMPARISON TO 2018 S A P M C, UH, WITH THE 2021 I P M C WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK JUST FOR THE PANEL, UH, THE INTENT IS TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THE ITEM NUMBERS.
UH, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE SESSION, WE WILL GO BACK IN AND VOTE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM AT THAT TIME.
IS THAT COMFORTABLE? THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SECTION 1 0 1 0.3.
UM, I CAN READ THIS ENTIRE SECTION FOR YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO, OR I CAN JUST KIND OF SKIM OVER THE CHANGES.
UM, BUT IN COMPARISON TO 2021, I P M C, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE OVER IN THE BOAT SECTION, THEY'RE CHANGING INTENT TO PURPOSE.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS CODE IS TO ESTABLISH MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS TO PROVIDE A REASONABLE LEVEL.
AND THEN PROPERTY PROTECTION IN GENERAL, IN ADDITION TO THE
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VERY BOTTOM, IS CHANGED REASONABLE SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE.WE ACTUALLY MODIFIED OUR SS A P M C TO READ OR TO INCLUDE REASONABLE TIME.
UH, IN, IN THIS CASE HERE, THERE IS A DEFINITION OF REASONABLE TIME IN THIS AL PROPERTIES MAINTENANCE CODE.
AND A REASONABLE TIME IS A MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS.
OKAY? UH, THAT TIME PERIOD CAN BE EXTENDED BEYOND THE 10 DAYS.
UH, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY, THE NATURE, OR WHETHER THERE'S AN ISSUE OF MATERIAL LABOR, UH, WE CAN EXTEND THAT TIME PERIOD OUT FOR COMPLIANCE.
HOWEVER, IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WE DO HAVE IT SPELLED OUT, UH, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT, HOWEVER, TO UPDATE ALSO THE 2021, UH, LANGUAGE.
UH, WHAT WE WILL DO IS, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION, UH, FROM THE PANEL, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND JUST, UH, INTERRUPT OR ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH.
ONCE THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
ANY QUESTIONS ON TWO? WELL, LET, LET ME BACK UP TO NUMBER ONE.
IT SAYS SECTION 1 0 1, SCOPE AND GENERAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT IS UNDER PART ONE, CORRECT? YOU, YOU LOOKING AT THE I P M C.
IT SAYS UNDER PART ONE, SO THAT MAY BE GIVING SOMEBODY A CONFUSION.
THEN IT GOES TO, UH, SCOPE OR SECTION 1 0 1.
WE'RE LOOKING AT SECTION 1 0 1, RIGHT.
SO THAT CONFUSED ME EARLIER WHEN I STARTED TO LOOK AT IT UNTIL YOU DIG DEEP INTO THE BOOK WHERE IT SAYS THAT.
IT'S UNDER, YEAH, IT'S UNDER PART ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON ITEM TWO? ITEM THREE? I, I HAD A QUESTION.
UH, RAY MORALES, UM, OKAY, I GOTTA KEEP PRESSING THE BUTTON.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, 10 DAYS IS A REASONABLE TIME, RIGHT? WELL, THAT, THAT 10, 10 DAYS IS THE, UM, WELL, REASONABLE TIME IS DEFINED IN OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AS MINIMUM 10 DAYS.
UM, AND ON THIS FIRST SECTION HERE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING, IT MENTIONS REASONABLE.
IS THAT DEFINED, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE CODE? WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SECTION RIGHT NOW, ITEM NUMBER TWO.
UH, REASONABLE TIME IS DEFINED IN THE, UH, SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IN, UH, CHAPTER TWO.
UNDER DEFINITIONS, THERE IS A DEFINITION SPELLED OUT FOR REASONABLE TIME.
UH, BUT IT IS, IS THE, THE DEFINITION FOR REASONABLE, UH, INCLUDED IN THERE BECAUSE, UH, ON THIS SECTION, UH, UH, ON NUMBER TWO, IT DOES STATE IT, THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE CODE RIGHT FROM 2018 TO 2021, AND IT CHANGES IT, UH, FROM, IN INSURING PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE, IT CHANGES IT TO PROVIDE A REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH, SAFETY AND PROPERTY PROTECTION.
SO THAT'S A, THAT THAT IS THE, GOT IT.
SO THERE IS NOT A DEFINITION, UH, FOR REASONABLE IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE AND, UM, DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO AMEND OR ADD OR, UM, SUGGEST SUCH SUCH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL.
SO BASICALLY, THE COMMITTEE WOULD, UH, WOULD CONSIDER A DEFINITION OF REASONABLE, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INPUT ON REASONABLE? THE DEFINITION OF REASONABLE IN MOST CASES REFERS TO A LENGTH OF TIME.
SO EXAMPLE, IF MOST BUSINESSES ACROSS A REASONABLE RESPONSE WITHIN SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE REASONABLE RESPONSE.
SO UNDER THE DEFINITION, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS NO DEFINITION FOR REASONABLE TIME.
THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE ABOUT THAT.
SO, TO SPECIFICALLY STATE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE, SEVEN WORKING DAYS ISN'T A REASONABLE TIME.
BUT I, I THINK THAT, THAT THE QUESTION WAS A REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH.
SO THIS CASE HERE, IN THIS CASE, IT'S USED DIFFERENTLY.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE A DEFINITION, UH, MAYBE THE ATTORNEY CAN, UH, PROVIDE, UH, A WORDING FOR THAT.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO, UH, TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, UH, REASONABLE TIME AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CHANGE THAT IS DEFINED IN SAMHSA AS 10 DAYS.
THEN THE, THE WORD REASONABLE IS, UH, UTILIZED AGAIN AND ADDED AS WHAT IS A REASONABLE MINIMUM HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARD.
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AGAINST DEFINING REASONABLE IN THAT CONTEXT THAT, UH, THERE, THERE'S, UM, THERE'S LEGAL, IT, IT, IT COULD BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF WHAT IS REASONABLE MEAN IN LEGAL TERMS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IS REASONABLE MINIMUM LEVELS AS DETERMINED BY THE BUILDINGUH, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE USE OF REASONABLE MINIMUM STANDARDS.
UH, SO AS AN ASIDE, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, DANNY, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY INFORMATION AS TO WHY THEY PUT THAT WORD REASONABLE IN THE I P M C? UH, NO, I DO NOT.
WE CAN RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK WITH, SO I'M GOING BACK TO MY, UH, INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, WOULD BE TO, FOR US TO NOT DEFINE REASONABLE IN THE CONTEXT OF REASONABLE MINIMUM STANDARDS UNTIL I CAN LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE MORE.
AND, AND, AND JUST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, MY THINKING IS THAT REASONABLE CAN BE INTERPRETED IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE ALL THINK WE KNOW WHAT'S REASONABLE, BUT UNLESS IT'S CLEAR AND CODIFIED, WHICH IS THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, IS A CODE, UH, THEN IT, IT IS NOT CLEAR.
IT CAN BE INTERPRETED IN, IN SUBJECTIVE WAYS, IN OTHER WORDS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
AND I, I THINK IN, IN GENERAL, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING HERE IS THAT THE CODE, EVERYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN IN HERE, PROVIDES A REASONABLE OR MINIMUM LEVEL SAFETY.
I'M, I'M, THAT'S WHERE I THINK WHERE THEY'RE GOING AT.
I'M JUST TAKING IT UP TERMS. I'M SORRY.
I CAN, I CAN'T BARELY HEAR THE COMMENT YOU'RE MAKING.
I'M SURE THAT JUST NO, I, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT IN THIS CASE, REASONABLE MEANS THAT THE CODE, THE ENTIRE, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE WRITTEN INSIDE THE CODE BOOK PROVIDES A REASONABLE LEVEL OF SAFETY.
THE, THE CODE AS FAR AS REASONABLE TIME IS IDENTIFIED IN THE, UH, TWO 18 CODE BOOK.
HOWEVER, THE ISSUE OF DEFINITION OF REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH IS NOT IDENTIFIED.
UH, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS A REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH? AND ONE OPTION YOU'VE GOT IS TO TAKE THE WORD REASONABLE OUT ALTOGETHER AND JUST LEAVE IT AS MINIMUM LEVEL OF HEALTH.
UH, AND EVEN MINIMUM LEVEL OF HEALTH WOULD BE DEPENDENT UPON THE INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATION.
BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING GOING WITH LIFE HEALTH, UH, THEN THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR AT LEAST A LEVEL.
UH, BUT WHAT IS THAT? AND ALL, ALL OF US COULD COME UP WITH WHAT A MINIMUM LEVEL OF HEALTH WOULD BE, A REASONABLE MINIMUM.
I'M NOT SURE WE ALL COULD COME UP WITH IT.
THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT DEFINED AS REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH IS THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
UH, CHAIR, MR. MR. CHAIR, SIR.
DAVID GARZA HERE, UM, WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S COMMENTS IN MIND THAT THEY'RE GONNA RESEARCH THIS, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE ON THIS ITEM, PARTICULAR ITEM TODAY IN THE INTEREST OF AN EXPEDIENT MEETING.
'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO MORE, 22 MORE ITEMS THAT WE JUST HOLD OFF ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS UNTIL THEY COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION AND THAT WE JUST PROCEED WITH THE OTHER ITEMS. COUNSEL, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO SOME WORK OR LEVEL OF INVESTIGATION OF THE DEFINITION OF REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH.
AND, UH, OF COURSE, COMING FROM A LITIGATION PERSPECTIVE, UH, UH, I JUST HAVE CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT THAT ADDITION.
SO, UH, I WILL RESEARCH IT AND COME BACK TO Y'ALL.
UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING, CHAIR WILL TABLE ITEM NUMBER TWO.
AND WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ACTUALLY, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? WAIT, BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
SO I WAS JUST SAYING, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IF THE CONCERN IS WITH THE DEFINITION OF REASONABLE, THEN WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT AS THEY COME UP IN EACH SECTION.
UM, HERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT REASONABLE, UM, SORRY, REASONABLE TIME.
AND YOU DO SAY THAT YOU DEFINE IT, UM, WITH A MINIMUM OF 10 DAYS, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
BUT I THINK, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY THE QUESTION, UH, IS THE REASONABLE LEVEL OF HEALTH, I GUESS, OR SO I THINK, UM, SO I WILL SAY THAT, UM, FOR THE REASONABLE TIME, UM, YOU DO SAY 10 DAYS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN CLARIFY THAT TO MEAN 10 BUSINESS DAYS? BECAUSE MOST, UM, THINGS DON'T HAPPEN ON THE WEEKENDS.
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SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE THAT CLARIFICATION.WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AS WELL.
UM, I, I ALSO HAVE, UM, IN THE, IN THE 2018 VERSUS THE 2021, UM, AT THE END OF THE 2018, IT SAYS, UH, THAT THE REPAIRS WILL BE MADE WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY REMOVED IN THE 2021.
UM, YES, THERE IS THE QUESTION OF MINIMAL LEVEL OF HEALTH, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THESE REPAIRS ARE BEING DONE IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AS WELL.
SO THE 2018 SS A P M C, UH, REASONABLE TIME IS AN AMENDMENT THE CITY, UM, ADOPTED, UH, IT WASN'T IN THE 2018 I P M C.
SO WE, WE, UM, AMENDED 2018 SS A P M C AND GAVE IT A DEFINITION.
SO, UM, BUT YES, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU, OKAY, THANK YOU.
WE'RE COMFORTABLE TABLING, UH, CHAIR, UH, YES.
UH, THIS IS LEGAL, UH, WITH THE ISSUE, UH, THAT WAS JUST RAISED ABOUT CHANGING IT TO 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
UH, ACTUALLY, UH, STATE LAW IS 10 CALENDAR DAYS.
UM, BUT I THINK YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, YOU WANTED TO FURTHER CLARIFY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, WHETHER IT'S BUSINESS OR CALENDAR, CORRECT.
UM, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT EVEN IF THE STATE DOES REQUIRE JUST 10 DAYS, CALENDAR DAYS, I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR LIKE THE CITY, THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO TO HAVE THOSE 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
BECAUSE AS I SAID, MOST BUSINESSES DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BREAKS ON THE WEEKEND, SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE.
YEAH, THAT SHOULD COME IN AS A CODE CHANGE PROPOSAL.
I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SUBMIT THAT.
I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS, SORRY, THAT'S A FINAL NOTE ON THAT.
UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS MUNICIPAL LAWS.
THEY CANNOT OVERRIDE STATE STATUTE PICKING UP THE BRIDGE.
SO EVEN IF WE WENT 10 BUSINESS DAYS IN COURT, WE COULD ONLY PROSECUTE 10 CALENDAR DAYS BECAUSE THE STATE STATUTE ALWAYS TRUMPS.
BUT, UH, ON THE DEFINITION OF REASONABLE TIME, UH, LANGUAGE WAS BUILT IN AT THE INITIAL DRAFTING OF THE SAMHSA, UH, TO PROVIDE DISCRETIONARY AUTHORITY TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND OR CODE OFFICER TO, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TIME, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.
ITEM TWO IS TABLED NUMBER THREE, PLEASE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS, UH, A COMPLETELY NEW SECTION THAT WAS, UM, ADDED TO THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE SECTION 1 0 2 0.6, STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND WE'LL JUST INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE 2021 S A P M C.
ANY COMMENTS ON THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE? UM, I, I GUESS I COMMENT, AND IT SORT OF GOES BACK TO TWO AS WELL.
IT SEEMS NOMINAL AND REASONABLE AND PRETTY GOOD.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC THERE IS TO SAY THAT IT'S A NOMINAL STRENGTH.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT THAT CONDO IN FLORIDA.
THE, THE, THE WORDING ON NOMINAL STRENGTH WOULD BE BASICALLY THE, THE MINIMUM STRENGTH REQUIREMENT AS IDENTIFIED IN CONSTRUCTION PROCESSES AND CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE WHAT IS THE LOAD CAPABILITY OF A TWO BY FOUR? UH, AND THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN ENGINEERING SPECIFICATIONS, AND THAT WOULD BECOME THE NOMINAL STRENGTH OF A TWO BY FOUR AS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
UH, I, I'D LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION.
UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE IN THIS SECTION OR IN ANOTHER SECTION, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE SOME WORDING SOMEWHERE TO SAY THAT THE ANALYSIS HAS TO BE CONDUCTED BY A STRUCTURAL
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ENGINEER.WELL THEN YOU'RE, IF YOU DO IT LIKE THAT, IN AN EXAMPLE, IF I TOOK MINE TO THE UL LABS TO DO A TEST OR A COLLEGE TO DO A TEST, AND THEY'RE CERTIFIED BY A STATE OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY TO PERFORM THOSE TESTS, THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME AS A CITIZEN, I CAN'T TAKE IT TO ANYBODY BUT A ENGINEER TO DO THIS.
WHEREAS YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE OTHER PLACES THAT ARE ALREADY CAPABLE OF DOING THIS BETTER THAN SOME ENGINEERS HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSAL.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE SAFETY, UM, OF A STRUCTURE, I WOULD THINK A STRUCTURE ENGINEER WOULD BE NEEDED VERSUS OTHER.
THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE TWO SIDES TO, UH, AN OPINION.
AND I FIND IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT, UM, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS NEEDED, UH, WHEN THERE IS A DISPUTE BETWEEN TWO, UM, TWO EXPERTS, AND I'LL LET THE ENGINEER ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
IN FACT, I GUESS IT TO ANYONE ON THE STRUCTURAL CAPABILITIES OF ANYTHING IN THAT'S NORMALLY USED IN, UH, THE STRUCTURE.
UH, THE NORMAL WOOD STRUCTURES ALL HAVE SPECIFICS IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, THE NOMINAL STRENGTH FOR IT.
UH, THE ONLY PLACE THAT YOU WOULD GET DIFFERENT THAN THAT WOULD BE IF YOU'VE GOT A BRAND NEW PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE INTRODUCING, UH, INTO THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS OF BUILDING PER SE.
SO THE INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE IN BOOKLETS AVAILABLE TO ENGINEERS, AND ACTUALLY IT'S AVAILABLE TO ANYBODY, BUT CERTAINLY IT'S AN ISSUE THAT AN ENGINEER WOULD GO LOOK AT.
UH, AN AN EXAMPLE AGAIN, UH, WOULD BE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE OF A, OF A BUILDING A HOME, UH, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY BY THE REQUIREMENTS TO BUILD THAT HOME IN, IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE SAN ANTONIO CODE, THAT YOU MUST HAVE TWO BY FOURS AND YOU MUST BE USING 16 INCH CENTERS.
ALL OF THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN THE UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE, UNIFORM COMMERCIAL BUILDING CODE, UH, INFORMATION.
AND THE STRUCTURAL CAPABILITIES ARE THROUGHOUT, UH, THE, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER LOOKING AT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER PER SE, IT COULD BE A CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, IN MY CASE IT COULD BE A COMBAT ENGINEER, BUT I'VE GONE THROUGH THE ENGINEERING SCHOOL THAT SPECIFIES THE STRUCTURAL STRENGTH REQUIREMENTS FOR STRUCTURE.
UH, SO YOU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY NEED A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, AND IN REALITY, YOU DON'T NEED AN ENGINEER BECAUSE THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE TO READ IN ENGINEERING MANUALS OR BOOKS.
AND AGAIN, THE CITY CODE SPECIFIES THE MINIMUM STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS ON SOME OF THAT.
UH, YOU, YOU COULD COME IN WITH, UH, SOMETHING OTHER THAN A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, OTHER THAN AN ENGINEER PER SE, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT REFERENCE OR RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE.
UH, BEING GENERIC LIKE THIS, UH, IT BASICALLY HOLDS EVERYBODY RESPONSIBLE TO BE AN ENGINEER TO SOME EXTENT,
AND IF YOU REQUIRE, IF YOU REQUIRE AN ENGINEER TO COME IN ON EVERY SINGLE CASE THAT'S GONNA COST THE, THE, UM, OCCUPANT OF THE BUILDING OR THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING, ADDITIONAL COST TO HIRE AN ENGINEER, BECAUSE THE CITY, THE CITY DOES NOT EMPLOY AN ENGINEER.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S PART OF THIS SECTION OR IT NEEDS TO BE IN ANOTHER PART OF THIS SECTION.
MY LINE OF THOUGHT HERE IS IT'S SAYING STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS, AND I'M AUTOMATICALLY THINKING, OKAY, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN DISREPAIR OR DILAPIDATED THAT NEED TO BE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ANALYSIS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER IT'S SAFE OR NOT.
AND IN THOSE CASES, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS COME IN AND SAID IT'S UNSAFE.
BUT THEN YOU BRING AN INSTRUCTIONAL ENGINEER AND THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OPINION'S DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN IT, I, I'M NOT SURE, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDER THE HISTORICAL AREAS OR MAYBE JUST IN HISTORICAL HOUS HOUSING.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IT'S COVERED BY THE MINIMUM CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS OF THE UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, SO I THINK THAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE COVERED IN THAT PARTICULAR CODE AREA AS OPPOSED TO BEING
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PART OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE PER SE.UH, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT TO THESE STANDARDS, UH, RIGHT NOW.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON YOU DID NOT BUILD IT TO THOSE STANDARDS AND IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, AND SOMEBODY LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS THAT'S NOT ON A 16 INCH CENTER AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, IT'S A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
NOW THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE, WHAT WERE THE REQUIREMENTS A HUNDRED YEARS AGO? UH, AND IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, YOU VERY WELL MAY NEED, UH, AN ENGINEER EXPERTISE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, EXPERTISE.
YOU NEED AN EXPERT, NOT JUST ANYONE
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LAY OUT IN THIS ARTICLE, WHAT THAT MINIMUM CRITERIA IS IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S DANGEROUS.
AND THEY DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHETHER IT, UH, THE AGE OF THE BUILDING, SO THE LOAD IS GONNA BE WHAT THE MINIMUM LOAD WAS WITH THE TIME THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
SO IT'S JUST SETTING UP A REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO DOES THE TESTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IF YOU WANNA DETERMINE IF IT'S UNSAFE, THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS IT'S GOING TO TAKE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, PERIOD.
THIS IS, THIS IS AMIN, TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UH, IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, CHAPTER EIGHT DOES REFERENCE YOU BACK TO THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE THAT'S FOR NEW BUILDINGS, AND IT REFERENCE YOU BACK TO THE INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE THAT'S FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AND IN THOSE CODES, IT DOES REFERENCE ALL THE DETAILS FOR WHO DOES WHAT AND HOW TO DO IT.
SO AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, IT'S REALLY, THIS IS JUST TELLING YOU WHAT'S THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD HAVE A BUILDING THAT IS A HUNDRED YEARS OLD AND IT'S NOT BUILT TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
IT VERY EASILY COULD BECOME A DANGEROUS PROPERTY BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT NO LONGER CAN THE WALL SUPPORT THE ROOF, ITS ROOF STRUCTURE ITSELF.
UH, COLLECTIVELY, COMMENTS ARE EXCELLENT.
UH, ANYTHING ELSE MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM.
UH, THIS IS SAVITA RYE WITH LEGAL.
I ALSO WANNA REMIND THE COMMITTEE THAT, UH, SAMHSA DOES NOT ADDRESS DILAPIDATED OR DETERIORATED STRUCTURES.
UH, IT IS, UH, OVERRIDDEN BY CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT.
AND SO, UH, MAYBE SOME OF THESE ISSUES, UH, REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED TO, UH, POSSIBLE REVISIONS OF THAT CHAPTER.
BUT, UH, SAMHSA DOES NOT ADDRESS, UH, THE DILAPIDATED STRUCTURES B S B DEALS WITH UNDER CHAPTER SIX, ARTICLE EIGHT.
UM, JUST WANNA REITERATE, WE MIGHT BE GETTING INTO, OR LOSING FOCUS AND GETTING DEEPER INTO
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN NICKEL AND DIME ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS AND, AND, UM, SO, UM, IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE IF WE START REALLY DWELLING INTO, UH, EACH LINE, EACH ANALYSIS AND HOW IT, HOW IT DEVELOPS.
JUST AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THE CODE ITSELF RATHER THAN A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE.
AND I THINK COUNSEL HAS HELPED US UNDERSTAND THAT PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS ON ANY DISCUSSION ISSUES ON ITEM NUMBER THREE? IF NOT, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM FOUR.
THE NEXT ITEM NUMBER FOUR SHOULD BE A FAIRLY EASY ITEM.
IT'S, UM, IT'S A, UM, IT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO KEEP THE SS A P M C AS WRITTEN.
UH, THE I P M C WAS CHANGED FROM DEPARTMENT OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTION TO CODE COMPLIANCE AGENCY.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
WE'D LIKE IT STILL TO READ SECTION 1 0 3, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING KEEPING THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE AS IS DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SO WHAT IS THE MAJOR CHANGE? IS THEY JUST WANNA CHANGE THE NAME? IS THAT IT? CORRECT.
SO THE CHANGE FOR THE I P M C WAS FROM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTION TO CODE COMPLIANCE AGENCY.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DON'T AMEND OR DON'T ADOPT THE, YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES MORE THAN CODE COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO I WOULD, I I WOULD SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S INTERNATIONAL, BUT YEAH, AGAIN, THAT'S THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL JURISDICTIONS TO INCLUDE LARGER, SMALL ONES.
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THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO KEEP THE P M C NO, NO CHANGE.AND YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE JUST BASIC EDITS.
JUST BASICALLY A, A, A CALL OUT FOR AN EDIT AL OR RETITLING SOMETHING.
AND THOSE SHOULD BE SIMPLE YES, SIR.
I JUST WANNA CHIME IN AS, UH, LEGAL, I WOULD APPRECIATE KEEPING IT AS THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, HAVING BEEN THE LAWYER FOR CODE FOR 16 YEARS, WE STARTED AS CODE COMPLIANCE, THEN WE CHANGED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEN WE WENT BACK TO CODE COMPLIANCE, AND NOW WE'RE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, IT WOULD SAVE ME A LOT OF TIME FROM HAVING TO REVISE IT EVERY TIME THE DEPARTMENT DECIDES TO CHANGE ITS NAME.
WOULDN'T IT ALSO GO TO A FINANCIAL EXPENSE TOO? YES.
SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF SOMETHING ELSE TO LOOK AT TOO.
IF WE'RE, IF, IF YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL TIED INTO THAT TO GET A LOT OF DOCUMENTS CHANGED OVER.
AND I IMAGINE LEGAL DEPARTMENTS CHANGING OVER NAMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY TO DO THAT, TO KEEP CHANGING NAMES EVERY SO MANY YEARS JUST TO MM-HMM.
SO, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING UP ON THE SCREEN FOR 2018, THE STRIKEOUT THAT WAS ALREADY TAKEN OUT IN 2018? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN CURRENTLY IN THE 2018 SS A P M C CODE.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, KEEP AS IS REMOVING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PORTION OF IT OR CODE COMPLIANCE SECTION OF IT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WAS ALREADY BEEN REMOVED, CORRECT.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT SHOULD BE SHOWN IN THERE AS A, AS A STRIKEOUT JUST BE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON ITEM FOUR, ITEM FIVE, PLEASE? OKAY.
ITEM FIVE, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING OFF THE NAME AS WELL, UM, THE CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UM, READS CREATION OF AGENCY AND THE STRIKEOUT DEPARTMENT OF PROPERTY MAINTENANCE INSPECTION IS HEREBY CREATED AN EXECUTIVE, OR EXCUSE ME, EXECUTIVE OFFICIAL IN CHARGE THEREOF SHALL BE KNOWN AS THE CODE OFFICIAL.
UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, WE AMENDED THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
WE'RE RECOMMENDED TO KEEP THE AMENDMENT AND THEN TO UPDATE, UH, WITH THE 2021 LANGUAGE, UH, WHICH IS THE LANGUAGE IN BOLD IN THE VERY BOTTOM THAT CLEARLY I THINK SPELLS OUT OR RATHER PROVIDE SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON THE FUNCTION OF THE DEPARTMENT IS TO IMPLEMENT, UH, OR IMPLEMENTATION ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF PROVISIONS OF THE CODE CONVERSATIONS ON ITEM FIVE.
SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA INSERT, THIS IS FRED ANIS, YOU'RE JUST GONNA INSERT THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD GO IN THAT WHAT'S IN BOLD.
AND THAT WOULD BE ONLY THING, AND THEN THE REST OF IT STAYS THE SAME, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
FINAL CONVERSATIONS ON I FIVE I, EXCUSE ME, I'M ITEM FIVE.
UM, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE CURRENTLY READS DESIGNEE AS OPPOSED TO DEPUTY AND THE 2021 I P M C.
THEY, UM, THEY STRUCK OUT DEPUTIES AND THEY ADDED CODE OFFICIAL, OTHER RELATED TECHNICAL OFFICERS, INSPECTORS, AND OTHER EMPLOYEES.
WE ARE ASKING TO KEEP THE SS A P M C AS WRITTEN, UH, TO READ DESIGNEES, UH, RATHER THAN CHANGING OR AMENDING THE, UM, THE CODE.
YOU HAVE DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? ITEM SIX, ITEM SEVEN, PLEASE.
UM, IT'S A COMPLETELY NEW SECTION THAT WAS ADDED.
UM, OR RATHER I TAKE THAT BACK.
IT WAS A SECTION THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE P M C UNDER 3 0 5 0.10, 3.5 FEES.
UM, HOWEVER, THE S A P M C TOOK IT OUT AND CREATED A SEPARATE SECTION OF ITS OWN.
UH, WE ARE, UH, RECOMMENDING TO ADOPT THE WRITTEN SECTION OF 1 0 4 0.4.
WHAT IT'S GONNA DO, ESSENTIALLY IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE NUMBERING CONVENTION OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE, WHAT'S CURRENTLY 1 0 3 0.5 NOW ADDED TO 1 0 4, AND IT'S GONNA THEREFORE CHANGE EVERY OTHER SECTION IN CHAPTER ONE, IF YOU WILL.
EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE BASICALLY WOULD BE DROPPING OUT 1 0 3 AND MOVING IT INTO 1 0 5.
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UH, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST 1 0 4.WE WILL BE CREATING A WHOLE NEW SECTION 1 0 4.
SO WHAT HAPPENS? WE'LL, WE TAKE EVERY SECTION THAT'S, IT WOULD JUST MOVE EVERY SECTION DOWN.
THE NUMBERING WOULD CHANGE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IN THE S A P M C FEES ARE UNDER 1 0 3 0.510 3.5.
AND SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ACCEPT THE, UM, THE CHANGE ALONG WITH THE I P M C AND MAKE IT THE FEES A SECTION OF ITS OWN.
SO WE'RE JUST ELEVATING IT TO A SECTION THEN? I'M SORRY? WE'RE JUST ELEVATING IT TO A SECTION, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
BUT THE WORDING WOULD STAY THE SAME AS IT'S PRE, BUT JUST GIVING IT NEW NUMBER? CORRECT.
AND, AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT AMENDMENT.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO THE I P M C THAT WE WANNA INCORPORATE ALSO TO THE P M C, THAT FURTHER CLARIFY SOME, UH, SOME SECTIONS REGARDING FEES.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS FRED INCIDENT.
CURRENTLY IN THE, UM, IT SAYS 1 0 4 FEES, AND THEN IT HAS A 1 0 4 0.1 FEES, AND THEN 1 0 4 0.2 REFERENCE OR REFERS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES, SIR.
SO THE, THEN THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IS GONNA CHANGE AFTER THAT BECAUSE IT'S ONE OH, UNLESS YOU'RE ADDING TO 1 0 4.
SO NOTHING ELSE IS GONNA CHANGE EXCEPT 1 0 4.
1 0 4 IS GONNA BE, AGAIN, IT, IT'S GONNA BECOME A SECTION OF ITS OWN.
SO ONE, WE'RE TAKING WHAT WAS IN 1 0 3 0.5 AND NOT CREATING A SECTION OF ITS OWN.
SO 1 0 4 WOULD BE THE NEW SECTION.
I'M, I'M, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT 1 0 3 AND THERE'S NO 1 0 3 0.5, IT SAYS 1 0 3, 1 0 3, 1 2 AND THREE.
AND THEN IT HAS SECTION 1 0 4.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE? IT'S, IT'S IN THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO IT'S GONNA PRETTY MUCH MIMIC THIS.
SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'LL ACTUALLY MOVE, SINCE WE'RE GONNA HEAR MORE ABOUT 1 0 4, UH, GO OFF TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING US IS WE'RE GONNA STRIKE 1 0 3 0.5 FROM THE 2018.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA RE, WE'RE GONNA DO A CHANGE WHERE WE CREATE SECTION FOUR FOR FEES.
CORRECT? YEAH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT SECTION, UM, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO 1 0 3 0.5, WE'RE STRIKING 1 0 3 0.5 FEES AND ADDING A SECTION OF ITS OWN.
AND WE WANNA ALSO INCLUDE THIS NEW SECTION HERE, UH, 1 0 1 0.4, UH, THAT CLEARLY SPELLS OUT, UM, ESTABLISHED BY APPLICABLE GOVERNING AUTHORITY.
UH, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN THE SECTION, UH, 1 0 3 0.5, IT ENDS WITH, SHALL BE AS INDICATED IN THE FOLLOWING SCHEDULE.
AND SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THAT, WE'RE ADDING THAT SECTION AND CHANGING THAT VERBIAGE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BE ADOPTED AS WRITTEN DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, NO DISCUSSION.
WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER NINE.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER NINE.
UM, GOING BACK TO SECTION 1 0 4, UH, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO ADAPT AS WRITTEN, THIS ENTIRE NEW SECTION 1 0 4 0.2 REFUNDS, THE CODE OFFICIALS AUTHORIZED TO ESTABLISH A REFUND POLICY.
AGAIN, THIS IS CURRENTLY NOT SPELLED OUT ON THE SS A P M C.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS ONE.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS JUST AN ADDITION, BUT, UM, DO YOU PLAN OR DOES LEGAL PLAN ON ESTABLISHING A REFUND POLICY WITHIN THE CODE AS WELL? UH, I THINK CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE A REFUND POLICY, AND I'LL LET, UH, IF WE CAN TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE POLICY, BUT, UM, I THINK AS A CITY, AS A DEPARTMENT, WE ALREADY HAVE A, A FUND POLICY IN PLACE.
AND, UH, FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD NOT WANNA PUT THE REFUND POLICY OR CODIFY IT IN SAMHSA 'CAUSE UH, IT CAN CHANGE.
AND, UH, SO THIS ALLOWS FOR THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF TO CREATE THAT POLICY, WHICH IS, UH, MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
QUESTION, THIS IS RAY MORALES.
DID YOU SAY THAT, UH, THAT POLICY IS COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC IN SOME FORM OR FASHION? THIS IS AMIN THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE HAVE A REFUND POLICY ALREADY
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IN PLACE FOR ANY FEES OR ANYTHING THAT WE RECEIVE.IF FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE TO REFUND IT, WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE.
THE PROBLEM NOW IS UNDER THE EXISTING PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, THERE IS NO ALLOWANCE FOR REFUND.
SO ADDING THIS IN PLACE, WE CAN UTILIZE THE EXISTING POLICY THAT WE HAVE TO ISSUE ANY REFUNDS IF NEEDED.
WE'RE GONNA BACK UP, IF WE COULD JUST A SECOND AND JUST CLARIFY AGAIN, THAT 1 0 3 0.5 IS MOVING TO 1 0 4 AND 1 0 4 IS GOING TO BE CHANGED ACCORDING TO WHATEVER THE SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION IS ABOUT 1 0 4.
UH, I HAVE A NIECE NAMED MCKAYLA AND I KEEP INSISTING THAT KAYLA BE CALLED MCKAYLA.
I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO MAKE SURE.
I, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE 2018, THE BOOKLET, UM, THE CHANGES HERE, YOU SAID 1 0 4 0.1 AND 1 0 4 0.2 ARE GONNA BE NOW FEES.
SO I, I'M LOOKING IN THIS BOOK, LIKE THE ENTIRE 1 0 4 SECTION.
WHERE'S IT GOING? YEAH, SO AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO YEAH, CORRECT.
SO WE'RE GONNA ADOPT AN ENTIRE NEW SECTION, SECTION 1 0 4.
UH, CURRENTLY ANYTHING, ANY FEE RELATED, IT IS ONLY 1 0 3 0.5.
WE'RE GONNA FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT SECTION AND ADD A SECTION INTO THE P M C.
THEREFORE, MOVING OTHER SECTIONS, JUST, UH, I GUESS THE NAMING CONVENTION IS GONNA CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THE NUMERIC VAL, I GUESS THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA CHANGE TO LIKE, SO 1 0 4 WILL BECOME NOW 1 0 5 AND 1 0 6 BECOME 1 0 7.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
WELL, THAT, THAT WILL TAKE PLACE IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS.
THE CHANGE, I GUESS IF YOU WILL.
ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER NINE? ITEM 10.
UM, SECTION 1 0 7 0.1, UM, DISCUSSED THIS NOTICE AS TO PERSONS RESPONSIBLE.
UM, THERE WAS A, UM, AMENDMENT OR CHANGE RATHER IN THE I P M C THAT STRUCK OUT PERSON RESPONSIBLE AND ADDED OWNER OR THE OWNER'S A, UH, AUTHORIZED AGENT.
AND AT THE VERY END, THEY ADDED THIS SECTION.
UM, WE LIKE TO KEEP THE P M C AS IT READS.
UM, WE, UM, SPELL IT OUT, I BELIEVE AS, UM, OWNER.
UH, AND THEN WE ADDED ALSO DURING THE AMENDMENT PROCESS, WE ACTUALLY INCLUDED SOME VERBIAGE REGARDING A SUBSEQUENT NOTICE OF VIOLATION, UM, BEFORE THE ANNIVERSARY DATE.
RIGHT? SO THAT MEANS IF SOMEONE GETS A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THAT DATE, THEN NO ADDITIONAL NOTICE IS NEEDED.
AND SO WE'RE ASKING, UH, THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER KEEPING THE P M C AS WRITTEN RATHER THAN ADOPTING THE CHANGES IN THE I P M C QUESTION.
DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING THE RATIONALE FOR NOT ADOPTING, UH, UH, COMMUNICATING DIRECTLY TO THE OWNERS OR THE OWNERS, UH, AUTHORIZED AGENT AND JUST KEEP IT AS IT IS, CORRECT? UH, DEFINITELY.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S SPELLED OUT IN THE, UM, I, LET ME SEE ONE SECOND HERE.
UM, UM, IT, IT PERSONAL RESPONSIBLE THAT, THAT'S HOW WE PUT IT IN THE P M C AND I THINK PERSON RESPONSIBLE, UM, COVERS A VAST MAJORITY OF, OF, OF EVERYONE WHO'S OCCUPYING A PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO SPELLING OUT OWNER OR OWNER'S AGENT.
UM, AND I'M, I'M GONNA USE AN EXAMPLE, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE RELATED ISSUE, LET'S SAY HIGH GRASS AND WEEDS, THE TENANT OCCUPIED PROPERTY.
UM, THAT TENANT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE AN OWNER'S AGENT, BUT IT'S A TENANT, IT'S A PERSON RESPONSIBLE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF THE CONCEPT BEHIND USING THAT LANGUAGE PERSON RESPONSIBLE AS OPPOSED TO CHANGING OWNER OR OR OWNER'S AGENT.
AND LET ME, THIS IS, THIS IS AMIN THOMAS.
UH, IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, THE EXISTING ONE AND THE NEW ONE, THERE IS DEFINITION OF OWNER, AND IT TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO IDENTIFY IN THIS SECTION, SAY, OWNER OR AUTHORIZED OWNER, BECAUSE WE HAVE DEFINITION FOR AN OWNER.
WHEN I PUT AN OWNER IN THE CODE, THEN ANYTHING IN THIS DEFINITION APPLIES.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, UH, SURE.
THAT, UH, THERE IS NO GONNA BE CASES THAT THE TENANT IS NOTIFIED BECAUSE IT IS THE, THE SIGN AS A RESPONSIBLE PERSON, BUT THEN THE TENANT DOESN'T TELL THE OWNER THAT THIS THING IS, IS, IS, IS HAPPENING.
AND THEN, BECAUSE IT COULD BE GRASS AND THAT'S PERHAPS THE, THE DUTY OF THE TENANT TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THE GRASS, BUT IT CAN BE SOMETHING MUCH MORE MAJOR OR STRUCTURAL, BUT THE TENANT IS NOT COMMUNICATED TO THE OWNER AND THEY NEVER GETS RESOLVED BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, THE CHAIN OF
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INFORMATION DIDN'T WORK.SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THE, WE NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR TO SAY THAT WE, THE, THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON IS THE PERSON THAT ULTIMATELY IS GONNA, UH, BE AFFECTED BY THE LOSS, UH, THE PHYSICAL LOSS OF THE PROPERTY, IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING MAINTAINED.
UM, ANY, ANY NOTICE THAT WE ISSUE FOR A PROPERTY, IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
EVEN IF, AS YOU SAID, LIKE THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE, IF THERE IS A TENANT, AND EVEN IF THERE'S AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TENANT AND THE OWNER, THAT THE TENANT GONNA CUT THE GRASS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO THE NOTICE WILL GO TO THE OWNER NO MATTER WHAT.
SO WHY THEN, DO WE NEED THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS PERSON RESPONSIBLE, IF ULTIMATELY THE OWNER IS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE THE OWNER IS THE PERSON WHO IS RESPONSIBLE.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH SAYING OWNER INSTEAD OF PERSON RESPONSIBLE? WELL, WE CHANGED IT TO PERSON RESPONSIBLE TO ALLOW FOR ALL THE VARIATIONS, UH, THAT THE CODE OFFICERS MAY COME ACROSS, IF IT WAS SPECIFICALLY, IF IT WAS SOLELY LIMITED TO OWNER.
UH, WHAT ABOUT SITUATIONS WHERE AN OWNER IS DECEASED AND, UH, THERE'S PERSONS RESIDING IN THE HOUSE CLAIMING THEY HAVE, UH, LEGAL STATUS TO BE IN THE HOUSE? IF WE, UH, SOLELY LIMITED TO THE OWNER, THEN THE PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE WOULD NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ABATEMENT OF THE NUISANCE.
AND IF THE OWNER IS DECEASED, THERE'S NO ONE TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE.
WHO, WHO IS, UH, GOING TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE? AND SO MOST OF, UH, THE ENABLING STATE STATUTES, UH, HAVE ADDED IN THE PROVISION OWNER OR PERSONS IN CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO WE CHOSE TO GO THE ROUTE PERSON'S RESPONSIBLE TO GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, AND THERE IS SITUATIONS WHERE MAIN SAID, YES, THE OWNER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE, BUT SAY, IS THE TENANT WHO HAS ALL THE OUTSIDE PLACEMENT OR JUNK VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY WILL, THAT TENANT HAS A RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT'S OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
AND SO IT JUST GIVES THE FLEXIBILITY WHEN, UH, ALL THESE DIFFERENT, UH, SITUATIONS ARISE.
THE, UH, THIS IS RAY MORALES, HOW, THE QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU ESTABLISH THAT RESPONSIBILITY? UH, THERE COULD BE SEVERAL, UH, PEOPLE IN THAT PROPERTY.
UH, AND, UH, IF THE COURT OFFICIAL HANDS IT TO WHAT HE THINKS IS RESPON THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE, THAT NOTICE MAY NOT CARRY TO THE REAL ACTUAL PERSON, WHETHER IT IS THE OWNER OR THE ATTENDANT OR WHOEVER.
UH, AND, AND THAT NOTICE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT NOTICE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, AGAIN, HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH THAT RESPONSIBILITY? IS THERE A WAY, A METHOD OR A DEFINED PROCESS FOR THAT RESPONSIBILITY? WITH SEVERAL OF THE PROVISIONS, IT'S, UH, OWNER, TENANT, PERSON IN CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.
THE DEFAULT IS WHO IS LISTED ON BEAR HEAD AS THE PROPERTY OWNER.
IF, UH, WE HAVE INFORMATION AND THE OFFICERS, UH, ALWAYS OBTAIN IDENTIFICATION, UH, FOR WHO TO ISSUE THE NOTICE TO, THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, SO ARE YOU IDENTIFYING YOURSELF AS A TENANT? IF, UH, WE DO COME ACROSS A LOT OF SITUATIONS WHERE THERE MAY BE, UH, 10 PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE AND EVERYONE IS CLAIMING THEY'RE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE GO THROUGH THOSE DEFAULTS FIRST AND THEN, UH, TRY TO ESTABLISH EXACTLY WHO IS IN CONTROL.
BUT, UH, IN, IN SITUATIONS LIKE SAY IT'S A DART PROPERTY AND THE OFFICERS, UH, POLICE OFFICERS ARE PRESENT, UH, SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE IDENTIFIED AS THE PERSON IN CONTROL OF THAT PROPERTY.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM 10? ITEM 11, PLEASE.ITEM 11, SECTION 1 0 7 0.2, DISCUSSING FORMS. UM, THIS IS ONE ITEM THAT WE WANTED TO OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, SO THIS SECTION HERE, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE I P M C, THEY STRUCK OUT, UH, PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 0 1, WELL, EXCUSE ME, ONE 11.4, UH, ADDED NOTICE AND ADDED SHALL.
UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, SUBSECTIONS, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, ONE THROUGH SIX, UM, THERE'S A SECTION THAT SPECIFICALLY ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UH, PRETTY MUCH READ THE SAME, I BELIEVE, ALONG WITH FOUR AS WELL.
SECTION FIVE OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UM, IT READS IN FORM OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OWNERS OF AUTHORIZED AGENT OF THE NAME AND PHONE, NUMBER OF THE CODE OFFICIAL AND DESIGNEE.
AND CHAPTER FIVE, OR FROM SUBSECTION FIVE OF THE I P M SERIES INFORMED THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE OWNER'S AUTHORITY AUTHORIZED AGENT OF THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
UM, SO CURRENTLY IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, THE NOTICE THAT GOES OUT DOES SPELL OUT SOME LANGUAGE ON THE NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL, UH, ANY OF THE NOTICES THEY RECEIVE.
UM, AND SO I GUESS THE QUESTION AT THIS POINT IS KIND OF LIKE INTRODUCING MAYBE A HYBRID OF, OF THIS SECTION HERE INTO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, BECAUSE WE DO SPELL THAT OUT ON OUR NOTICES, BUT WE WANNA INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCES TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR IN THE CODE THAT AS A HOMEOWNER YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL.
UM, AND IN CHAPTER, UH, SUBSECTION SIX, WHICH TALKS ABOUT LIENS, WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T ABATE ANYTHING UNDER CHAPTER OR THE RATHER S A P M C.
WE USE CHAPTER SIX IN CHAPTER 14.
UM, CHAPTER 14 IS OUR VACANT LOT CLEARANCE IN CHAPTER SIX IS OUR DANGEROUS OR DANGEROUS STRUCTURE, UH, SECTION.
AND THERE IS A SUBSECTION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO ABATE AND TO PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR NONPAYMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THAT'S CLEARLY SPIT OUT ALREADY IN THE CODE.
SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY INCORPORATE SUBSECTION SIX IN THE S A P M C BECAUSE WE DON'T USE THAT SECTION TO ABATE ANY PROPERTIES AT THIS TIME EITHER WAY.
SO I GUESS I WANNA OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION, UH, JUST TO CLEARLY SPELL OUT AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, THE RIGHT TO APPEAL AND JUST INCORPORATING THE S A P M C WHERE IT'S VERY CLEAR NOT JUST IN THE NOTICE, BUT ALSO IN THE CODE ITSELF.
ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM NUMBER 11? THIS IS REALLY AN O A SERIOUS OPEN DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF, OF RIGHTS TO THE OWNER IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT, AT LEAST TO THIS PARTICULAR PANEL MEMBER.
YEAH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF THE
UM, I THINK THAT INCLUDING THAT THE OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL WITHIN THE PROPERTY CODE WOULD BE EXTREMELY VITAL.
UM, ESPECIALLY SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO'VE HAD CODE VIOLATIONS AND THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO APPEAL THOSE VIOLATIONS.
SO I THINK INCLUDING THAT IN OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WOULD BE REALLY ESSENTIAL TO THEM UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE PROCESSES, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP THEM.
REALLY, JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHILE THERE, UM, I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A COPY OF THE FORM NEEDED TO FILE AN APPEAL, UH, PLACED ON THE BACK OF THE NOTE OF THE WRITTEN OR SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKET WITH THE INFORMATION, UH, ON THE CODE THAT IT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY, A HARD COPY NEEDS TO BE GIVEN TO THEM.
I, I ACTUALLY THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT THE PRESENT TIME WHEN THE LETTER GOES TO THE, TO THE OWNER OR TO THE PROPERTY RESPONSIBLE PARTY OF THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE IS INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THAT LETTER ON WHAT TO DO TO APPEAL.
SO THERE'S A APPEAL PROCESS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT IN CODE, UH, WOULD BE THE PIECE THAT WOULD, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADD TO IT BECAUSE IN PRACTICE, WE ALREADY TELL THE OWNER THAT THERE IS A WAY TO APPEAL, UH, AND, AND THE LETTER INCLUDES HOW TO APPEAL, BUT, BUT DOCUMENTING IT IN THE CODE ITSELF, I THINK WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH AT DOING THAT, RATHER THAN JUST IN LETTER FORMAT ONLY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE SECTION, UM, IN THE OWNER'S OWN LANGUAGE, LIKE IF IT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED, LIKE I SEE IT HERE IN THE CODE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED IN THE, THE OWNER'S LANGUAGE.
I'M, I'M SORRY, I, I, I JUST I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
WHAT WAS THAT? REPEAT THAT PLEASE.
THE, THAT I, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN WRITING HERE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE LANGUAGE UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE.
DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT THE SUBTITLE OR THE SUBPARAGRAPH ITEM NUMBER SIX
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IN THE I P C IS WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ADOPTED? OKAY, SO, UH, RIGHT NOW AS IT SITS IN THIS BOOK HERE,SO IF THEY SPEAK SPANISH, HAVE IT SPANISH, IF THEY SPEAK MANDARIN, HAVE IT MANDARIN, THAT'S ALREADY DONE.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY DONE IN SPANISH FOR SURE, BUT I DO NOT KNOW IN, UH, ALL LANGUAGES ARE INCLUDED IN THAT.
BUT MIND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
DO WE USE ALL LANGUAGES OR JUST SPANISH AND ENGLISH? THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, SO LET'S ASSUME I'M THE CODE OFFICER AND I'LL GO OUT THERE.
I DON'T SPEAK SPANISH, I DON'T WRITE SPANISH.
HOW CAN I ISSUE A NOTICE IN SPANISH? MM-HMM.
UM, I CAN'T, I CAN'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE.
SO WE DO GIVE THE NOTICE IN ENGLISH IF THERE IS SERVICES NEEDED, WE DO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.
SO IF IT, THEY SHOW UP TO DO AN INSPECTION AND THE PERSON IN THE HOME DOES NOT SPEAK A LANGUAGE THAT THE CODE OFFICER SPEAKS, THEN NO ONE IS CALLED TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.
NO ONE IS, NOTHING IS GIVEN TO THEM IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE.
I MEAN, AGAIN, NOTICES ARE, ARE IN ENGLISH.
NOW, AS I SAID, IF THE CODE OFFICER DOES SPEAK, YOU KNOW, SPANISH, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL TALK TO THEM.
BUT I'M SAYING IT'S NOT GUARANTEED.
'CAUSE NOT EVERY CODE OFFICER IS BILINGUAL.
AND, AND IF I MAY JUST FURTHER CLARIFY, UM, FOR THE SAKE, JUST AGAIN, UH, AS A FIELD OFFICER, WHEN YOU GO OUT TO A LOCATION AND THERE'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER, UM, WE MAY NOT ISSUE A NOTICE INITIALLY AT, AT THAT FIRST INSPECTION.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE THE VIOLATION AT HAND.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE TRANSLATION SERVICES NOW WHERE WE CAN SET UP WITH, UH, WITH A CONFERENCE AND BRING THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE TENANT, WHOEVER IT MAY BE, TO MEET AND DISCUSS THIS VIOLATION WITH THEM.
SO THERE ARE SOME SERVICES AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN, UM, BUT WRITING IT INTO THE CODE SPECIFICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, IT, IT WOULD, HOW WE WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE IT HAD, BECAUSE THEN IN THEORY, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO WRITE A NOTICE IF WE SAY, WELL, IF, IF, IF YOU SPEAK ONLY SPANISH AND MY OFFICER DOESN'T WRITE SPANISH, THEN HE CAN'T GIVE YOU A NOTICE, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL.
SO, UH, IT'S, UH, LET'S TELL LITTLE LOPEZ HERE, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THE LETTER OR THE, ALL THE COMMUNICATION NEED TO BE IN ALL 27 LANGUAGES THAT WE HAVE OR WHATEVER LANGUAGES THAT WE HAVE.
BUT THE MAYBE, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A POTENTIAL ADDITION TO THE CODE TO, TO ADD A PART IN WHICH YOU MENTIONED THAT IN CASE THE PERSON, UH, IS CLEARLY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE OFFICIAL, UH, TRANSLATION SERVICES COULD BE PROVIDED EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING.
MAYBE THAT CAN BE, THAT THAT PART CAN BE INCLUDED TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT DOES HAPPEN EVERY TIME.
IT IS NOT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICIAL.
IF I MAY, MY NAME'S, UH, MICHAEL ESTI.
UH, CURRENTLY OUR OFFICERS, WHEN THEY GO OUT TO THE LOCATION, THEY DO, UH, TRY TO FIND SOMEONE ON SITE WHO DOES SPEAK ENGLISH.
UM, IF THEY CAN'T, THEY, UH, DO THEIR BEST TO RECOGNIZE WHAT LANGUAGE THEY'RE SPEAKING SO WE CAN GET THE PROPER PEOPLE THERE WHO DO SPEAK THAT LANGUAGE SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE THEM, UH, THAT TO THEM.
SO, UM, WE DO, OUR OFFICERS DO WORK PROACTIVELY TO, TO TRY TO ASSIST THEM AS BEST AS THEY CAN.
WE JUST DON'T SAY, HERE'S THE NOTICE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, JUST TOUGH LUCK.
NO, WE, WE GO OUT THERE AND WE, WE TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM, TRY TO FIND SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS ENGLISH OR SOMEONE WHO SPEAKS THAT LANGUAGE TO ASSIST BEFORE, BEFORE YOU EVER WRITE THE, THE, UH, VIOLATION WHEN THE OFFICERS MAKE THE LOCATION.
IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE, THEY'LL SPEAK WITH THEM.
IT'S, IT'S DONE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO IF THEY NEED SOMEBODY, THEY'LL GET SOMEBODY.
WE, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE THAT SERVICE AVAILABLE.
AND I, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
UM, MAYBE IT'S AN, UH, SOMETHING WE DRAFT INTO AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WHERE THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I, I LIKE THAT IDEA.
AND I, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE CODE OFFICER HAS TO WRITE EVERYTHING BUT SOMETHING WRITTEN IN THEIR LANGUAGE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THAT DAY THAT THEY'RE THERE, BUT THEY FOLLOW UP WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR LANGUAGE BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS GONNA UNDERSTAND
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ENGLISH.AND I LIKE MR. NELSON HERE, UH, POINTED OUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT IS WRITTEN AND WHAT IS PRACTICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY ALREADY BE PRACTICING THIS AND YOU KNOW, AS THE ADMINISTRATION IS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS WHAT THE, THE PRACTICES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE ELSE MAY BE DECIDING, WE DON'T WANNA PRACTICE THIS, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ACTUALLY IN WRITING.
AND I, AND I DO WANNA DO A QUICK TIME CHECK.
UM, SO I JUST, WE STILL HAVE A FEW MORE ITEMS TO GO THROUGH.
SO AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS AN ITEM WE CAN TABLE FOR DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, AND COME BACK WITH SOME, UH, EXAMPLES WHERE WE'VE USED SOME OF THE SERVICES IN THE PAST.
SO, UM, AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS LEGAL.
UH, WE NEED TO TABLE IT BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE SOME EQUAL PROTECTION AND, UH, ISSUES RELATED TO, UH, THE LANGUAGES.
IF WE SPECIFY THAT TRANSLATION SERVICES WILL BE PROVIDED, UH, IF WE GUARANTEE THAT AND THE CITY IS NOT ABLE TO AFFORD SAY, A, UM, UH, PUNJABI SPEAKER OR, UH, UH, TELEGU OR ARABIC, UH, AT THAT POINT, THEN IT'LL PUT US IN A LEGAL BIND IN ENFORCING WHAT IS WRITTEN AND LEAD TO, LIKE I SAID, SOME, UH, EQUAL PRODUCTION AR ARGUMENTS.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY LANGUAGES OUT THERE.
AND SO I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST ADDING THAT.
UH, I THINK JUST HAVING THE POLICY PERHAPS, UH, POSSIBLE TRANSLATION SERVICES MAY BE AVAILABLE.
UH, I JUST DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT CODIFIED THAT IT SHALL BE MADE AVAILABLE IF WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO, UH, I WOULD ALSO, UH, URGE THAT THIS BE TABLED, AND THEN I COULD COME BACK, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE, UH, EQUAL PROTECTION CONCERNS.
ITEM NUMBER 11 WILL BE TABLED.
UH, WE HAVE THE CHOICE OF ONE, CONTINUING NUMBER TWO, UH, TO GO BACK AND VOTE ON THE FIRST 10 ITEMS. UH, OR NINE ITEMS. NINE ITEMS, OKAY.
BECAUSE TWO TABLES ISSUES TABLE, UH, AND THEN PICK UP AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, ON THE NEXT ITEM, OR DO YOU WANNA TRY TO PUSH THROUGH? THIS IS ROBERT TAP I MOTION TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
AND WHAT IS THAT? JUST TO MAKE SURE.
IS, IS TO VOTE ON THE FIRST NINE.
VOTE ON THE FIRST NINE, AND THEN, OKAY.
WE WILL VOTE ON THE FIRST NINE.
AND ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, WAS TO ACCEPT, UH, UH, THE CHANGE IN THE TITLE.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT CHANGE, SAY AYE.
ADAM CARRIES ITEM TWO, MR. MR. CHAIR, THIS IS EMIN.
UH, YOU CAN LIST ALL THE ONES YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT AND DO ONE VOTE IF YOU WISH.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO WAS, UH, TABLED.
ITEM NUMBER THREE WAS TO ACCEPT, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR WAS NO CHANGE.
UH, REQUESTED ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
AND DANNY, DANNY, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS ITEM NUMBER FIVE WAS TO AMEND AND UPDATE THE, UH, SECTION 1 0 3.
ITEM NUMBER SIX WAS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
WAS IT ADOPT OR KEEP AS WRITTEN? KEEP AS WRITTEN.
UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN WAS ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WAS ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
AND ITEM NUMBER NINE WAS ADOPT AS WRITTEN.
AND ITEM 10 WAS, UH, KEEP AS WRITTEN.
UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, SAY AYE.
THOSE THAT OPPOSE, SAY NAYYY ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, UH, ARE ADOPTED.
SHOULD WE TRY TO CHARGE ON TO ITEM 12?
AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, UH, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS OF EITHER CONTINUE OR
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HOLD ON.CONTINUE OUR WHAT? CONTINUE OR ADJOURN MR. TAPIA? I, I, HOLD ON.
MR. TAPIA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING TO THE BOARD? A RECOMMENDATION? EXCUSE ME? DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO BRING TO THE BOARD ON A RECOMMENDATION? UH, PREVIOUSLY IT'S ROBERT TAPIA.
PREVIOUSLY I HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, THE, UM, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, RIGHT? AND UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, THAT'S, I SAW THAT ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND I STARTED, I I DIDN'T SEE IT, UM, ONLINE.
SO I NOTICED THAT'S NOT ONLINE.
UH, A WHOLE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
SO I WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SEE IF, SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN, CAN SEE THE FULL, THE FULL MANUAL THAT INCLUDES A TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHEN ALERTED ME TO, WELL, WHERE DID I GET THAT FROM? WELL, IT WAS FROM, UH, LOOKING AT IT INITIALLY ONLINE.
YOU'RE SAYING THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND THE SA CURRENT IS NOT ONLINE? YES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS, YOU GOT THE WHOLE BOOK ONLINE, BUT THAT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS
AM I NOT? RIGHT? I DON'T THINK IT IS ON THE, UH, LET ME JUMP IN.
THIS IS, UH, LEGAL, UH, TABLE OF CONTENTS IS ONLY FOR THE MANUAL, UH, THE CODIFIED PROVISION UNDER CHAPTER SIX.
UH, NONE OF OUR, UH, CODES OR PROVISIONS HAVE TABLE OF CONTENTS.
I I IS THAT FOR LEGAL PURPOSES? IT IS BECAUSE WHAT GOES INTO THE LANGUAGE OF, UH, CODE OR STATUTE IS THE ACTUAL LEGAL PROVISIONS AND THE SECTION NUMBER TABLE OF CONTENTS, UH, HAS, UH, NO, UH, LEGAL AUTHORITY NOR CONTROL OVER THAT CODE AS IT MAKES NO LAW OR, UH, ISSUES ANY REGULATIONS.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL STATUTES, ALL CODES, UH, ON THE BOOKS, UH, WE NEVER PUT A TABLE OF CONTENTS.
WE JUST IMMEDIATELY GO INTO SECTION ONE, SECTION TWO VERY WELL.
UH, WOULDN'T IT BE USEFUL TO INCLUDE THAT TABLE OF CONTENTS THAT PEOPLE REFER TO THAT ALL THE TIME? WELL, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO A TABLE OF CONTENTS IS, UM, AS A COURTESY PURPOSE AND, UH, MANUALS.
BUT A TABLE OF CONTENTS IS NOT, UH, A LEGAL DOCUMENT.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE TABLE OF CONTENTS NOT PART OF THE CODE? NO.
UH, THERE, THERE'S NOT A SINGLE CODE OR STATUTE, UH, THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT HAS EVER INCLUDED A TABLE OF CONTENTS CODIFIED.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN WE PRESENT IT INTO THE PUBLIC, THAT THEY CAN BE PUT IN FRONT A TABLE OF CONTENTS WITH LINKS AND ALL THAT STUFF, RIGHT.
UH, YOU CAN, UH, WHEN IT'S, UH, PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, UH, ON THE D S D WEBSITE, UH, THEY CAN PROVIDE DOCUMENTS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN GO TO A PARTICULAR SECTION RIGHT AWAY TO REVIEW YOU.
SIDEBAR WAS DISCUSSION WAS HAVING THE BOOK OR NOT HAVING THE BOOK AVAILABLE PER SE.
AND I HAVE THE BOOK, BUT THE BOOK IS ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A TABLE OF CONTENTS, BUT WE ACCEPT THE FACT, OR AT LEAST THE CHAIR ACCEPTS THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE OR A LEGAL DOCUMENT.
THEREFORE, WE'LL DIS DISREGARD THAT.
UH, UH, THE TIME IS NOW 3 58 I GUESS.
AND, UH, THE PANEL, OR AT LEAST CLOSEST PEOPLE TO ME ON THE PANEL IS SUGGESTING THAT WE WERE BOOKED TO BE HERE UNTIL FOUR O'CLOCK.
UH, AND AS A RESULT, IT'S ALMOST FOUR O'CLOCK ADMINISTRATIVE AND WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL BE ADJOURNED AND RECONVENED WITH ITEM NUMBER, PROBABLY 11, I MEAN 10 DISCUSSION FOR SURE.
ITEM NUMBER 10, AT THE NEXT MEETING, UH, ANY COMMENTS YOU'VE GOT ADMINISTRATIVE COMMENTS.
UH, SO LEGAL'S GOT A RESPONSIBILITY AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON 10 THE OTHER TABLED ITEM AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED FROM THAT POINT ON.
UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO, JUST GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THE TABLED ITEMS, UH, TABLED UNTIL WE GET THROUGH WITH THIS PARTICULAR SECTION.
WHICHEVER WAY YOU PREFER TO GO AT, IT WOULD BE FINE WITH US.
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ADJOURNED.APPARENTLY WE'RE NO OBJECTIONS TO THAT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR PARTICIPATING.
THANKS TO THE NEW PANEL MEMBERS, WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.