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GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL B SESSION OF OCTOBER THE 10TH, 2018. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER TRAVINO HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SHAW. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SALANA. 
          HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BROCK HOUSE PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SANDAL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER LIAS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY HERE. 
          AND MAYOR NURENBERG HERE. 
          MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR CITY COUNCIL B SESSION AGENDA. 
          WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. 
          THE TIME IS TWO 12, BUT BEFORE WE FORMALLY GET STARTED, I'M TOLD THAT WE HAVE A BIRTHDAY, UH, AT THE TABLE. 
          SO LET'S ALL SING. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN CLAYTON PERRY, A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. 
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY. 
          UH, DON'T ENJOY YOURSELF TOO MUCH. 
          COUNCILMAN, CITY MANAGER SCULLY. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN. 
          UH, SO TODAY WE WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THE ALAMO PLAN, AND IT WILL BE PRESENTED IN THREE PARTS. 
          I'M GOING TO DO AN INTRODUCTION AND FOLLOWING A SHORT INTRODUCTION OF OUR PROJECT AND PLAN, COUNCILMAN TRAVINO. 
          UH, WE'LL SPEAK NEXT, FOLLOWED BY JOHN COSMAN AND ERIC KRAMER FROM P G A V AND REED, UH, HILDEBRAND TO TALK ABOUT OUR PLAN. 
          SO, UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCILMAN. 
          BUT FIRST, BEFORE I DO THAT, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE A FEW OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, TODAY, UH, FROM THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, I THINK IS HECTOR HERE? YES. 
          HECTOR VA. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S HECTOR. 
          I DIDN'T SEE YOU WALK IN HECTOR VA AND BRIAN PRESTON. 
          UM, ALSO TO MEMBERS OF THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. 
          JEFF GORDON IS HERE. 
          JEFF'S HERE. 
          HE'S AN ATTORNEY FOR, UH, THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE FROM THE ALAMO. 
          OUR CURRENT, UH, C E O, DOUG MCDONALD IS HERE, UH, FROM THE DESIGN TEAM. 
          UH, JOHN KAMAN, P G A V DESTINATIONS. 
          UH, ERIC KRAMER IS HERE FROM, UH, REED HILDEBRAND AND ALSO LEAH BRODER. 
          WHERE'S LEAH SITTING IN THE BACK? UM, OUR TRI CHAIRS ARE HERE, OF COURSE, LED BY COUNCILMAN, UH, ROBERTO TREVINO. 
          UH, ALSO THE OTHER TWO CO-CHAIRS ARE SUEANN PEMBERTON. 
          I SAID HELLO TO SUEANN. 
          SHE'S SITTING TO MY LEFT. 
          AND ALSO LIONEL SOSA, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          AND OF COURSE, I WANT TO THANK AND RECOGNIZE THE CITY STAFF WHO HAVE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT WITH US. 
          LORI HOUSTON, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ANDY SEGOVIA, AND I WORKED ON THE LEASE, UH, WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AND ED GUZMAN SUPPORTING, UH, ANDY, ALSO SHANNON MILLER, OUR DIRECTOR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND RAYA ROBERTS, UM, SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER WORKING WITH LAURIE HOUSTON. 
          OKAY, SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, CITIZEN, OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE TOO, AND COUNCILMAN TREVINO WILL, UH, INTRODUCE THEM IN A MINUTE. 
          BUT JUST FOR A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, UH, THREE YEARS AGO, ON OCTOBER 15TH, IN 2015, ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO EXACTLY, IT WILL BE THIS WEEKEND, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE AND EXECUTE A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE, THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT BOARD, AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, REGARDING A JOINT MASTER PLAN FOR THE ALAMO COMPLEX AND SURROUNDING AREA. 
          THE AGREEMENT OUTLINES THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, FOR THE ENTITIES WORKING TOGETHER, AS WELL AS THE MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT OF THE MASTER PLAN'S DEVELOPMENT AND ADOPTION. 
          SO THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME THE CITY AND THE STATE ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON A PLAN FOR THE ALAMO, AND THE CITY OWNS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS 
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CHART, NEXT MAP. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THIS MAP, THE CITY OWNS THE ALAMO PLAZA AND STREETS, AND THE STATE OWNS THE CHURCH, THE LONG BARRACKS AND THE GARDEN BEHIND, UH, THE ALAMO CHURCH. 
          AND THEY ALSO OWN NOW THE THREE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET, UH, FROM THE ALAMO. 
          SO IN THE PAST, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ATTEMPTS OVER THE YEARS TO DEVELOP AN ALAMO PLANT, BUT IN THE PAST, THE ABSENCE OF AN AGREEMENT THAT INCLUDES THE CITY AND THE STATE, AND OF COURSE, THE ENDOWMENT, WHICH WILL BE UNDERTAKING A MAJORITY OF THE FUNDRAISING, IS ONE OF THE REASONS PREVIOUS EFFORTS HAVE FAILED AND FALLEN SHORT OF BEING ACCOMPLISHED. 
          SO, THIS, UH, AGREEMENT THAT WAS EXECUTED AND APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE G L O IN THE ENDOWMENT IN 2015, UH, CREATED A SIX MEMBER MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE WITH TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH OF THE THREE ENTITIES. 
          COUNCILMAN TREVINO AND I REPRESENT THE CITY, AND THE CHARGE OF THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE IS TO OVERSEE THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE ALAMO AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          UH, THE AGREEMENT ALSO CREATED A TWO MEMBER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDES THE MAYOR OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE. 
          THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT IDENTIFIED THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES DEVELOPED BY THE ALAMO CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS THE FOUNDATION FOR THE MASTER PLAN. 
          THE ALAMO CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, INCLUDES 26 MEMBERS, SOME OF WHOM WERE APPOINTED BY YOU ALL, UH, AS WELL AS PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, SO THAT, UH, BOARD, UH, ALSO INCLUDES REPRESENTATIVES APPOINTED BY THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE. 
          IT'S A COMMITTEE OF 26, UH, AND THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE HAS SIX SEATS, UH, AMONG THE 26TH. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO FOUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY MEMBERS REPRESENTING, UH, INDUSTRY ORGANIZATIONS AS PART OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND IT WAS ESTABLISHED TO CREATE A FRAMEWORK, UH, FOR THE ALAMO MASTER PLAN, AND TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN. 
          NOW, THIS NEXT, UH, SLIDE IS A, UH, LISTING OF THE 2015 MASTER PLAN TEAM. 
          IT IS AN EYE CHART, UH, BUT THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS, UH, OF THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE IN 2015 WAS TO SELECT A WORLD CLASS DESIGN TEAM TO UNDERTAKE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND AFTER AN INTERNATIONAL AND COMPETITIVE PROCESS, THE ALAMO MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE SELECTED PRESERVATION DESIGN PARTNERSHIP HEADED BY, YOU MAY RECALL, GEORGE SCAR MEAS. 
          HE HAS BEEN BEFORE COUNCIL OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, TO PRESENT ON THE MASTER PLAN. 
          HE ALSO HAS WORLD HERITAGE EXPERIENCE. 
          UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE ALSO SELECTED GRUPO DESIGNER BONO OUT OF MEXICO CITY, WHICH IS LED BY MARIO SHUTTIN. 
          AND HE IS AN URBAN PLANNER AND AN ARCHITECT. 
          HE WAS A MA MEMBER OF THAT, UH, MASTER PLAN TEAM. 
          THE FINAL MEMBER OF THE TEAM, UH, WAS FISHER HACK ARCHITECT, WHICH IS LED BY LOUIS FISHER, WHO MANY OF YOU KNOW, LIVES AND WORKS IN SAN ANTONIO, AND IS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AND HAS WORKED ON A NUMBER OF PRESERVATION IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS THROUGHOUT TEXAS. 
          SO THESE THREE FIRMS HIRED A TEAM OF EXPERTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS CHART, INCLUDING HISTORIANS, ENGINEERS, ARCHEOLOGISTS, AND ARCHITECTS, TO ASSIST IN THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECT, TO STUDY THE HISTORY OF THE 300 YEARS OF THE ALAMO, AND, UH, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. 
          SO THE PLAN, AS SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD FROM PRE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, IS SUMMARIZED INTO FIVE KEY ELEMENTS. 
          FIRST, THE RESTORATION OF THE CHURCH AND THE LONG BARRACKS. 
          SECONDLY, DELINEATING THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT OF THE MISSION AS THE CITY DEVELOPED OVER TIME, OF COURSE, CONSUMING MUCH OF THAT FOOTPRINT. 
          THIRD, TO RECAPTURE THE HISTORIC MISSION PLAZA AND CREATE A SENSE OF REVERENCE AND RESPECT FOR THE HISTORIC BATTLEFIELD. 
          FOURTH, TO REPURPOSE THE CROCKETT, WOOLWORTH, AND PALACE BUILDINGS INTO A WORLD-CLASS VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM THAT TELLS THE STORY OF THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO IN OVER 300 YEARS OF LAYERED HISTORY. 
          AND FIFTH, TO CREATE A SENSE OF ARRIVAL TO THE SITE AND ENHANCE CONNECTIVITY, UH, BETWEEN THE ALAMO AND THE REST OF THE DOWNTOWN URBAN CENTER. 
          SO AFTER 18 MONTHS OF RESEARCH, PUBLIC INPUT AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON MAY 11TH THROUGH 2017, THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE ALAMO MASTER PLAN AND CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED THE FOLLOWING, THE REPAIR AND RELOCATION OF THE CAF 
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CLOSURE OF ALAMO STREET, BETWEEN HOUSTON AND MARKET, AND CROCKETT STREET FROM BONHAM TO LA SOYA, AND A LEASE OF THE PLAZA AND PORTIONS OF THE STREET NECESSARY TO RECLAIM THAT ORIGINAL MISSION FOOTPRINT IN PLAZA. 
          SO AFTER APPROVAL OF THE MASTER PLAN, THEN THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, UH, STARTED THE PROCESS TO SELECT A PLANNING TEAM THAT WOULD DEVELOP AN INTERPRETIVE PLAN FOR THE ALAMO AND THE DESIGN OF THE PLAZA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          IN DECEMBER OF 2017, UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE ANNOUNCED THE SELECTION OF P G A V DESTINATIONS TO LEAD THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN OF THE ALAMO PLAZA. 
          THE TEAM ALSO INCLUDES REED HILDEBRAND, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS AND CULTURAL INNOVATIONS MUSEUM AND CULTURAL HERITAGE CONSULTANTS. 
          THE COMPREHENSIVE INTERPRETIVE PLAN BUILDS ON THE MASTER PLAN'S KEY FIVE CONCEPTS THAT I JUST DISCUSSED, TO DEVELOP THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN, AS WELL AS THE SITE STRATEGIES FOR THE ALAMO AREA. 
          AND THE DRAFT SITE STRATEGIES AND INTERPRETIVE PLAN WERE PRESENTED IN SEVERAL PUBLIC MEETINGS, UH, IN MAY, JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. 
          SO THERE ARE MAJOR CHANGES FROM THE MASTER PLAN ADOPTION IN MAY OF 17 TO THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN. 
          THESE INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE GLASS WALLS, PUBLIC ACCESS, UH, TO THE PLAZA AREA, 24 HOURS A DAY, A SOLEMN SPACE, AND A PUBLIC COMMUNITY SPACE. 
          MORE SHADE. 
          UH, THE SENATE HALF IS RELOCATED, BUT REMAINS WITHIN THE ALAMO PLAZA. 
          YOU MAY RECALL IN MAY OF 2017, SOME OF THE SITES DISCUSSED WERE MUCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PLAZA AREA, INCLUDING, UH, THE FIRST CHOICE, WHICH WAS ON MARKET STREET, UH, DOWN ACROSS FROM THE GRAND HYATT HOTEL IN THE PUBLIC SPACE AREA. 
          SO THAT WAS MOVED AND SELECTED IN THE ALAMO PLAZA JUST ADJACENT TO THE ALAMO CHURCH. 
          UH, THE REVISED PLAN ALSO ACCOMMODATES FIESTA TRADITIONS WITH THE PARADES AND THE FLORAL TRIBUTES, MORE SEATING, UH, ALSO CEREMONIES, THE PILGRIMAGES, UH, THE CAVALIERS INVESTITURES, UH, CEREMONIES. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE HAVE LISTENED TO THE INPUT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S UNANIMITY AMONG ALL ASPECTS OF THIS VERY COMPLEX PROJECT, BUT THE PUBLIC INPUT HAS BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          AND, UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT COUNCILMAN TREVINO WILL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED IN THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS. 
          UH, FOLLOWING COUNCILMAN TREVINO, ERIC KRAMER, UH, IS GOING TO PRESENT ON THE ACTUAL PLAN. 
          AND THEN AT THE END, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, I WILL SUMMARIZE THE ACTIONS WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL NEXT WEEK, AS WELL AS THE SCHEDULE FOR UNDERTAKING, UH, THESE VERY MAJOR PROJECTS. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER, UH, TO COUNCILMAN TREVINO, WHO DOES, UH, REPRESENT, UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE ALONG WITH, WITH ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHERYL. 
          WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, I'M IN THE UNIQUE, UNIQUE POSITION TO BE ON BOTH THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          I'M JOINED TODAY BY MY FELLOW TRI CHAIRS LIKE LIONEL SOSA AND PEMBERTON, WHO ARE HERE, AND ALSO SAY THAT BILL ELL, AND I BELIEVE WARREN WILKINSON, WHO ARE ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ARE ALSO HERE. 
          I WANNA THANK THEM FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS PROJECT HAS INCLUDED A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE STARTING OF THE ALAMO MA, UM, CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN 2014. 
          AND WE HAVE HAD OVER 50 PUBLIC MEETINGS AND 200 PLUS STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS. 
          THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FACEBOOK LIVE CAMPAIGN WE DID DURING THE ARCHEOLOGY DIG WHERE WE PROVIDED DAILY UPDATES ON THE DIG AND SHARED FINDINGS, UH, WORLDWIDE. 
          I WANNA THANK, UH, OUR OWN CITY ARCHEOLOGIST, KAY HINES, FOR BEING SUCH A ROCKSTAR WHEN IT CAME TO THE ARCHEOLOGY ON SITE. 
          UH, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD, WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE UP, UH, AN HOUR OF THEIR DAY TO, TO GO AND VISIT THAT SITE EVERY DAY, TO, TO LEARN ALL THE GREAT ARCHEOLOGY THAT WAS HAPPENING. 
          UH, I WANNA SAY THAT WE DID LISTEN TO THE FEEDBACK AND SOME OF THE INITIAL CONCEPTS, UH, PRESENTED IN THE MAY, 2017, UH, MASTER PLAN HAVE ALREADY CHANGED. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE INCLUDES 30 MEMBERS AND SEVERAL OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AS I MENTIONED, UH, SOME OF WHO ARE HERE TODAY HAVE BEEN ENGAGED SINCE 2014. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW, NEW MEMBERS AND WANT TO THANK THEM AGAIN FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK. 
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ON AUGUST 30TH, 2018, THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPROVED THE SEVEN RESOLUTIONS, UH, TO SUPPORT THE PLAN, INCLUDING ONE CONDITIONALLY RECOMMENDING THE CITY TO ENTER INTO A LONG-TERM AGREEMENT WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE TO MANAGE THE HISTORIC ALAMO PLAZA. 
          THE PLAN PROPOSED BY THE CONSULTANT TEAM FURTHER DEVELOP THE PROPOSED STRATEGIES NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THE FIVE KEY CONCEPTS IN THE MASTER PLAN. 
          THE MORE PROMINENT SITE STRATEGIES INCLUDE CLOSING AND RESTRICTING SECTIONS OF ALAMO STREET, HOUSTON STREET, AND CROCKETT STREET TO PEDESTRIAN AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES, ONLY REPAIRING AND RELOCATING THE SYNTA WITHIN ALAMO PLAZA, DEVELOPING A NEW PARADE ROUTE THAT HONORS THE COMPLETE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO, ASSESSING THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF CROCKETT PALACE AND WOOLWORTH BUILDINGS, ESTABLISHING A FORMAL POINT OF ENTRY TO THE PLAZA DURING MUSEUM HOURS, AND LEASING THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE PORTION, UH, TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE PORTIONS OF THE STREET AND PLAZA NECESSARY TO RECAPTURE THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT. 
          ON AUGUST 30TH, THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS ASKED TO TAKE A POSITION ON EACH OF THESE STRATEGIES AND ALSO TAKE A POSITION ON THE OVERALL SITE PLAN AND MASTER LEASE AGREEMENT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, OF THE SEVEN RESOLUTIONS, FIVE WERE SUPPORTED UNANIMOUSLY, AND THE OTHER TWO HAD OVER 90% SUPPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS THESE TWO STRATEGIES, THE PARADE ROUTE AND THE BUILDING ASSESSMENT. 
          SO WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THE PARADE ROUTE AND RELOCATING THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THE PARADE ROUTE HONORS THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO IN VE, AND IT ALSO VENERATES THE KNOWN BURIAL GROUNDS. 
          IT RESPECTS THE MISSION FOOTPRINT AND BATTLEFIELD. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TRADITIONS OF THE, UH, PARADE OF THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS PARADE IS KEEPING THE FLORAL TRIBUTE. 
          WE ALSO WANT TO ENHANCE THE SEATING CAPACITY FOR PHOTOGRAPHIC AND TELEVISION COVERAGE OF THE PARADE AS WELL, AND CREATE MORE SHADE FOR SPECTATORS. 
          HERE'S A SLIDE THAT DEMONSTRATES THE CURRENT, UH, PARADE ROUTE AS IT STANDS TODAY, CUTTING THROUGH, UM, ALAMO PLAZA. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT, IT HEADS SOUTH AND IT STOPS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, THE CHURCH FACADE WHERE THE FLOOR BOUQUET IS, IS DELIVERED AND GOES THROUGH A SET OF, OF, OF BLEACHERS, AND THEN OFF TO THE FRONT OF THE CHURCH. 
          THE PROPOSED IS TO CREATE A CEREMONIAL ACTIVITY ZONE THAT, UH, WE FEEL IS REALLY ENHANCING THE EXPERIENCE ON SITE. 
          UH, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT MAKING ROOM FOR ALL THE GREAT HISTORY THAT WE KNOW IS, IS AT THE ALAMO. 
          AND THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF, OF HOW WE ARE DEMONSTRATING THAT WE'RE MAKING ROOM FOR, FOR MORE OF THAT HISTORY, REVEALING THAT WHILE MAINTAINING AND KEEPING IMPORTANT TRADITIONS THAT THE CITY HAS, UH, WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE, THE SUPPORT AND ENDORSEMENT FROM THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS, UH, TEXAS CAVALIERS FIESTA, FLAM BO, AND THE FIESTA COMMISSION ON, ON HOW THEY HAVE SEEN THAT, THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE, UM, SOME RENDERINGS THAT, THAT, UH, WE DID SOME CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER ONE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY FROM THE CEREMONIAL ACTIVITY ZONE, WHERE WE DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE'S MANY MORE ELEMENTS TO BE REVEALING THE, THE, THE SITE HISTORY. 
          AND WE'RE EXTREMELY PROUD OF, OF THE GREAT WORK THAT, THAT WE HAVE DONE ON THIS PROJECT THAT HELPED TO, UH, ENRICH THE, THE TRADITIONS THAT WE KNOW ARE EXISTING TODAY. 
          AND, UH, WE FEEL THAT BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ENHANCING AND ENRICHING, UH, THE HISTORY ON SITE, ANY OF THE TRADITIONS THAT DO JUST THAT ARE THEMSELVES GONNA BE ENRICHED AND ENHANCED. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, OBVIOUSLY, WE, WE ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BUILDINGS. 
          WE WANT TO ASSESS EACH BUILDINGS INDIVIDUALLY AND WANNA ENSURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE FEDERAL CRI CRITERIA, AND WE WILL DOCUMENT, UH, THE INTEGRITY OF THE INTERIOR EXTERIOR FEATURES, EVALUATE EACH BUILDING'S SIGNIFICANCE AT A WORLD, NATIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL LEVEL. 
          WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THIS IS A THREE D MODEL, KIND OF SHOWING YOU SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          WE, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, HAVE PUT OUT A AN R F Q AND THAT R F Q FOR, FOR THE MUSEUM DESIGN WILL BE SHORTLISTED, UM, HERE IN THIS NEXT, NEXT ROUND. 
          AND ANOTHER, UM, UH, A GROUP OF ARCHITECTS WILL BE DESIGNING THE MUSEUM. 
          SO AS PART OF THAT IS, IS HOW THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE MUSEUM DESIGN. 
          UH, THEY WILL TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE, UH, SET UP FROM OUR R F P PROCESS TO STUDY THE BUILDINGS AND USE THAT DATA TO, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT CAN BE INCORPORATED AND HOW, UH, WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO, TO SALVAGE ALL THE HISTORY ON THE SITE. 
          AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GETTING RID OF ANY OF THE, THE TRADITIONS OR HISTORY ON THE SITE. 
          WE'RE SIMPLY, UH, TRYING TO MAKE ROOM TO 
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REVEAL ALL THE HISTORY ON SITE. 
          AND THIS THREE D MODEL, YOU CAN SEE THE CHALLENGES PRESENTED HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT FLOOR PLATE HEIGHTS, THE DIFFERENT, UH, STRUCTURAL GRID SYSTEMS. UH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT BY THIS, UH, NEXT, UH, ARCHITECT THAT WILL BE DESIGNING THE, THE MUSEUM AND PRESENTING, UH, SOME, SOME POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL OF US TO, TO LOOK AT IN, IN THE COMING, COMING MONTHS. 
          UH, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          UH, WE THINK THAT THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF, OF THE GREAT WORK AND PROCESS, UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND THE CITIZENS OF ICE COMMITTEE HAS, HAS MOVED FORWARD. 
          UH, AGAIN, I WANNA THANK ALL THOSE INVOLVED, UH, WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO INVOLVE, UM, INVITE, UH, JOHN KASMAN UP FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH OF DETAIL ALREADY, UH, BEFORE ERIC COMES UP AND GETS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO DETAIL OF, OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL WITHIN THE ALAMO PLAN. 
          WE KIND OF SAW THIS AS A, AS AN OPPORTUNITY IN OUR ROLE WOULD BE TO, TO TAKE A STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT, UM, TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY AND REALLY REFRAME THE CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT INTO, UM, INTO THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE NOT ONLY FOR THE ALAMO, UH, BUT ALSO FOR THE CITY. 
          AND SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE SLIDES AND, AND THE MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE, WE WANTED TO STEP BACK AND REMIND OURSELVES THAT WE AS AN INTERPRETIVE PLAN TEAM, WE RECEIVED SOME GREAT MATERIAL ALREADY AS, AS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED FROM THE MASTER PLAN, FROM ALSO FROM THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ALL OF THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          AND IT'S LED US TO STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT OUR GOALS AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND TO US WHEN WE TAKE ABOUT THE, THE VISION AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND TRY TO THINK ABOUT COMBINING THEM INTO A SENTENCE THAT PROVIDES US WITH SOME INSPIRATION. 
          AND THINK ABOUT IMAGINING A WORLD CLASS HISTORIC SITE THAT TELLS THE WHOLE STORY OF THE ALAMO. 
          AND WE THINK ABOUT THE TERM WORLD CLASS, AND THAT CAN MEAN MANY THINGS TO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 
          AND OUR TEAM, UM, TOOK THE CHALLENGE OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO US. 
          AND WE THINK ABOUT AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS INSPIRATIONAL. 
          WE THINK ABOUT ONE THAT PROVIDES AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION. 
          WE THINK ABOUT AN EXPERIENCE THAT HAS AUTHENTICITY, RIGHT? AN EXPERIENCE AT THE ALAMO THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN HERE, AND THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN HERE IN THE CITY OF SAN, OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THE, AND THE, AND HERE AT THE ALAMO. 
          AND WE THINK ABOUT THE SEARCH FOR UNDERSTANDING AND PROVIDING ALL VISITORS WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IN THE HISTORY. 
          WE ALSO THINK ABOUT REVERENCE, ACCESS, AND INCLUSION, VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENTS TO OUR PLAN, AS WELL AS COMMEMORATION AND CELEBRATION HERE AT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE THINK ABOUT AS WE, AS WE PRESENT OUR PLAN, AND WE THINK ABOUT NOT ONLY THE CON THE CONTENT AND THE HISTORY AND THE STORYTELLING THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT, BUT ALSO THE SITE STRATEGIES THAT ARE INFORMED FROM THAT CONTENT. 
          AND SO WE KNOW THAT THE ALAMO LIES AT THE HEART OF THE SAN ANTONIO CIVIC LIFE, AND WE KNOW THAT TODAY THE EXPERIENCE IS COMPROMISED, RIGHT? IT IS NEITHER A WELCOMING URBAN PLAZA AND IS NOT NECESSARILY A POWERFUL HISTORIC SITE AS IT COULD BE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND WHEN WE STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT THE ALAMO AND THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE TODAY, WE KNOW THAT IT IS RIDDLED WITH SOME DISTRACTIONS, RIGHT? WE ALSO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES KIND OF THREATEN THE SENSITIVE STRUCTURES AND ARE, DO NOT PERMIT THE FULL STORY TO BE TOLD. 
          WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES OF THE PLAZA, RIGHT, THE SCALE, THE CAPACITY THAT IT HAS FROM CURBS AND PLANTERS DOES LIMIT ITS CAPACITY TO FUNCTION AS A SUPERB CIVIC SPACE THAT IT COULD BE. 
          SO WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND WE THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS IS, UH, OUR GOAL IS REALLY ONE THAT'S TRANSFORMATIVE. 
          IT IS NOT SUBTLE CHANGES. 
          THIS IS A VISIONARY PLAN THAT WE WERE PRESENTING, AND ONE THAT IS TRANSFORMATIVE OF THE EXPERIENCE AND THE GOAL TO CREATE NOT ONLY AN EXPANSIVE CIVIC PLAZA, BUT ALSO A POWERFUL CULTURAL DESTINATION. 
          SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT'S REALLY NOT AN EITHER OR, IT'S A BUT AND CONDITION. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I WANNA INTRODUCE, UH, ERIC KRAMER WITH RITA HILDEBRAND, WHO WILL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS OF THE, OF THE PLAN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING. 
          SO I THINK AS WE FRAME, AS JOHN DID, THE BIG OPPORTUNITIES, THE BROAD VISION AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF US, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY BEGIN TO VISUALIZE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS PLACE COULD BE LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CHALLENGES HERE. 
          THERE ARE MANY COMPETING INTERESTS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS JOHN SAID, WE DON'T SEE THIS PLAN AS A COMPROMISED PLAN. 
          WE SEE IT AS A PLAN 
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THAT REALLY COMPROMISES TO REALIZE THE BROAD AND DEEP PRINCIPLES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY, UM, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND IN THE END, IT'S A PROJECT THAT WORKS DAY TO DAY FOR THE LIFE OF THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO, AND GIVE SOMETHING BACK FOR THE VISITORS WHO ARE TRAVELING FAR AND WIDE TO COME TO EXPERIENCE. 
          WHAT IS SO INCREDIBLE AND UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PLACE TODAY, THE REALITY IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TOO MANY THINGS IN TOO SMALLEST SPACE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THE HISTORIC STORY OF THE ALAMO, NOT JUST AS A BUILDING, BUT AS A MISSION IN WHICH THERE WAS A WHOLE SET OF STORIES AND LIVES OVER 300 YEARS AND ACCOMMODATE THE LIVING, BREATHING URBAN CENTER OF THIS CITY. 
          THE ALAMO PLAN RETHINKS THAT RELATIONSHIP, ONE WHERE THERE ISN'T A SET OF CONFLICT, BUT A SET OF SYMBIOTIC SORT OF, UH, RELATIONSHIPS WHERE THE TWO THINGS HELP EACH OTHER, WHERE A HISTORIC SITE ANIMATES A MUCH LARGER ALAMO PLAZA, ONE THAT REACHES OUT BEYOND ITS EDGES TO MAKE CONNECTIONS TO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, AND THE OTHER, UM, IMPORTANT, UM, CULTURAL VENUES IN THE CITY. 
          AND WHERE, IN FACT, MOST OF THE TIME, BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WORK TOGETHER TO BECOME A REALLY VIBRANT URBAN SPACE TO RECAPTURE THAT FOOTPRINT. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS A CITY THAT HAS GROWN UP AND BUILT ITS STREETS AND ITS PLAZA OVER THE MISSION FOOTPRINT, THE AREAS THAT HAVE INCREDIBLE STORIES TO TELL. 
          SO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT IS THE PERCEIVED, UH, HISTORIC SITE, WHICH IS REALLY THE LONG BEAR AND THE CHURCH, THE GARDEN BEHIND, AND THEO WALLS, LESS JUST ABOUT FOUR ACRES OF SPACE. 
          AND ALAMO PLAZA, WHICH IS ITS OWN KIND OF ELEMENT, SITTING REALLY SURROUNDED BY STREETS, LESS ABOUT AN ACRE OF SPACE. 
          THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECLAIM THE MISSION FOOTPRINT EXPANDS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE HISTORIC CORE TO ALMOST SEVEN ACRES OF SPACE THAT CAN TELL ALL OF THOSE STORIES, THE RICH STORIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNDERLYING, THAT IT CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INCREDIBLE, UM, VISITOR'S CENTER AND, UM, MUSEUM IN WHICH THAT INTERPRETATION CAN REALLY BE BROUGHT TO LIFE. 
          AND THEN CRITICALLY SURROUNDING THAT AND REALLY INTEGRATED WITH IT IS A RENEWED ALAMO PLAZA, A PLACE THAT WE REALLY BELIEVE WILL BECOME A DRIVING FORCE FOR THIS CITY. 
          A KIND OF A NEW CENTER FOR PEOPLE TO ACTIVATE AND, AND GRAVITATE TO. 
          ONE THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, REACHES ALL THE WAY SOUTH TO COMMERCE, REACHES OUT TO LA SOYA ON THE WEST, AND UP TO NORTH TO THE NORTH TO CAPTURE THE NORTH WALL OF THE MISSION THAT NEVER HAS BEEN ACCESSIBLE BEFORE. 
          SO WHAT COULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, IT REALLY IS A NEW DISTRICT, A NEW OPPORTUNITY, A WHOLE PLACE THAT, UH, IS OF, OF AN ENTIRELY NEW CHARACTER FOR THE CITY. 
          IT INCLUDES A VIBRANT URBAN PLAZA HERE, THE VIEW, LOOKING TO THE NORTH WITH THE MANGER ON THE RIGHT, UM, AND THE SYNTA AS A KIND OF VIBRANT AND CEREMONIAL CENTER, GALVANIZING THE CHARACTER OF THAT SPACE, AND A PLACE THAT CONNECTS THAT HISTORY TO EVERYDAY LIFE, WHERE INSTEAD OF STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF ALAMO STREET, AS YOU WOULD BE IN THIS IMAGE TODAY, YOU ARE WITHIN THE MISSION FOOTPRINT. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR PLACE THERE, AND YOU HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE OF THE LONG BARRACK, THE CHURCH, AND EVERYTHING THAT SURROUNDS YOU. 
          THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZING THAT THE STORY HERE IS A 300 YEAR HISTORY. 
          IT IS A HISTORY THAT WORKS FROM THE MISSION PERIOD THROUGH THE BATTLE PERIOD ALL THE WAY UNTIL TODAY. 
          AND THAT THERE ARE STORIES, AS THIS DIAGRAM SUGGESTS SPREAD OUT ALL THROUGHOUT THE MISSION FOOTPRINT IN THE GARDEN TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH WITHIN THE PLAZA. 
          IT TAKES A BIG CHANGE TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO INTERPRET ALL THESE STORIES FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CULTURES AND, AND GROUPS AND COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LIVED AND ACTIVATED OR ENLIVENED THIS SPACE. 
          SO IMAGINE HERE THAT YOU'RE STANDING WITHIN THE MISSION FOOTPRINT ON AN EVERYDAY, UM, SORT OF PART OF THE DAY WHEN THE MUSEUM IS OPEN AND ACTIVE. 
          WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? YOU'RE SEEING NOW AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACCESS THEO THROUGH THE LONG BARRACK. 
          YOU'RE SEEING THE, UM, BURIAL GROUNDS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE CHAPEL. 
          THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LIVING HISTORY FOR FAMILIES TO COME AND SCHOOL TOURS TO 
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COME, AND REALLY TO BE OCCUPYING THIS SPACE AS A VIBRANT OUTDOOR MUSEUM. 
          ONE THAT IS FULL OF SHADE, THAT IS SAFE, UH, FROM VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY REALLY BEGIN TO LEARN ALL THAT. 
          THE SITE HAS TO TELL. 
          IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE STANDING HERE ALONG THE WEST EDGE OF THE, OF THE MISSION FOOTPRINT LOOKING IN. 
          THIS IS A 24 7 PUBLIC, UH, PROMENADE IN WHICH YOU CAN IMAGINE ANYONE WALKING NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH THE CITY IS LOOKING INTO THE SITE AND SEEING THE RENEWED, UH, A SEIA WITH WATER. 
          UM, THE HOUSES ALONG THE EDGE OF THE WEST EDGE INTERPRETED WHERE THE TRAVIS WROTE HIS FAMOUS LETTER. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, SEEING THE, THE LIVING HISTORY TAKING PLACE THAT'S NOT SEPARATE FROM THE CITY, IT'S ACTUALLY A VIBRANT PART OF THE CITY HERE, AGAIN, STANDING AS IF YOU WERE IN THE STREET, SORT OF AT THE INTERSECTION OF HOUSTON AND ALAMO, LOOKING TO THE NORTH TOWARDS THE GIBBS AND THE FEDERAL BUILDING HERE IS A PLACE WHERE WE KNOW A LARGE AREA OF NATIVE AMERICAN BURIAL GROUNDS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THE STREET. 
          IMAGINE THAT ACTUALLY WE CAN INTERPRET THOSE. 
          WE KNOW THE NAMES AND IDENTITIES, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BURIED THERE. 
          WE CAN MAKE A WAY IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AND ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT THAT. 
          WE CAN SEE THE NORTH WALL WHERE TRAVIS FELL IN A PLA AND IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF ALAMO STREET NOW. 
          IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE AND A PLACE IN WHICH, UM, UH, CEREMONIES AND, UM, CAN TAKE PLACE BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE THE SPACE TO DO IT, MAKING NEW CONNECTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE PLAZA TO THE CITY HERE TODAY, AS IF YOU'RE STANDING, UM, AT THE HYATT ENTRANCE ON, UH, LA SOYA. 
          LOOKING INTO THE SITE HERE WOULD BE A GARDEN LIKE SPACE AS A THRESHOLD INTO THE HISTORIC CORE, WHERE YOU COULD SEE THE 18 POUNDER, UM, AND THE LA SOYA HOUSE AS THEY OVERLAPPED AND TOLD DIFFERENT STORIES FROM DIFFERENT MOMENTS, THE SOUTH GATE AND THE LUNETTE. 
          AGAIN, THINK ABOUT HOW THIS IS NOW INTEGRATED IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WAY WITH THE CITY, WHAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITY THAT PRESENTS. 
          THESE ARE NOT SMALL CHANGES. 
          THESE ARE NOT EASY THINGS TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          AND IN OUR PROCESS, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND I WANNA FOCUS ON TWO PARTICULARLY THAT HAVE COME UP AND SEE IF WE CAN SORT OF RESPOND AND HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE ARE SO IMPORTANT CHANGES TO REALIZING THIS KIND OF OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE VIBRANT CIVIC PLAZA AND THE OUTDOOR MUSEUM EXPERIENCE. 
          AND THE FIRST IS THE CENO. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THE CAF JUST 500 FEET TO THE SOUTH FROM ITS CURRENT LOCATION TO AN AREA IN FRONT OF THE MENGER AS THE CENTERPIECE OF THE PLAZA. 
          WE LOOKED AT WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO LEAVE IT IN PLACE TODAY AS IT WHERE IT IS TODAY AND ITS SCALE, AND ITS, ITS, UM, PRESENCE WITHIN A PLACE IN WHICH WE IMAGINE REENACTMENTS AND OUTDOOR STORYTELLING AND THE CONTINUITY OF A SHADED CANOPY. 
          WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS, AND WE THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS SPACE. 
          WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT IT HELPS CLARIFY PERIODS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. 
          THIS MISSION FOOTPRINT IS NOT, IS FROM A PERIOD, THE 19TH CENTURY AND THE, AND BEFORE, AND THE, UM, SENATE HALF IS A 20TH CENTURY, UH, ARCHITECTURAL AND SCULPTURAL MONUMENT. 
          SEPARATING THOSE TWO THINGS ENABLES US TO TELL THOSE STORIES MUCH MORE CLEARLY WITHOUT TAKING THAT OUT OF ITS IMPORTANT PRESENCE AS A KIND OF A MARKER AND AN ENTRY TO THIS SPACE. 
          WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SITE WHERE THE CURRENT BANDSTAND IS, IS A SITE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED BY THE DESIGNERS OF THE CTA, UM, UH, UH, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, EFFECTIVELY. 
          AND THAT'S A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. 
          SO WE ARE NOT PUSHING IT TO THE SIDE. 
          WE ARE GIVING IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE REINTERPRETED AND RE MISUNDERSTOOD WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF REBUILT ALAMO PLAZA. 
          THE OTHER IS ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT A VISITOR HAS WHEN THEY COME TO THE SITE TO COME TO KNOW THE ALAMO'S HISTORY AND ITS STORY. 
          UM, TODAY YOU COME TO WHAT IS EFFECTIVELY A CART FOR INTERPRETATION AND ONE POINT OF ENTRY. 
          WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE VISITOR RESEARCH AND IS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED EVEN IN THE 2014 GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE, UM, EXPLAIN. 
          THEY NEED TO HAVE THIS STORY EXPLAINED TO THEM AND GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND IT. 
          WHAT HAPPENS TODAY IS MOST PEOPLE COME AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE ALAMO. 
          THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A MISSION HERE THAT THEY CAN EXPERIENCE, AND ALL THEY THINK THEY HAVE IS THE CHURCH. 
          SOME OF THEM DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY CAN GO BEYOND LOOKING AT 
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THE FRONT FACADE. 
          SO IT IS CRITICAL TO US THAT VISITORS WHO ARRIVE HERE ARE BROUGHT TO A CENTRAL POINT OF INFORMATION, EDUCATION, UM, AND ORIENTATION IN WHICH THEY BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL OPPORTUNITIES AND THE FULL STORIES THAT ARE HERE IN FRONT OF THEM. 
          THIS IS DURING MUSEUM HOURS. 
          WE WOULD ASK THAT PEOPLE BE DIRECTED TO THIS, THAT STILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC 20 ALL OF THE TIME. 
          IT IS FREE. 
          THERE IS NO TICKETING INVOLVED, SO ANYBODY WALKING THROUGH THE CITY CAN STILL ENTER THE SITE. 
          THEY'D BE ASKED TO COME TO THIS ONE POINT OF LOCATION SO THAT WE CAN, UM, MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE FULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE HERE. 
          THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING TO SAY IS THAT EVEN WITH THIS PLAN, THERE IS ALWAYS NORTH SOUTH ACCESS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE MISSION FOOTPRINT, SO THAT ANYBODY WALKING THROUGH THE FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH IS NOT, UM, OBSTRUCTED BY THE OUTDOOR MUSEUM. 
          WE ALSO RECOGNIZE AND HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY, UM, TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THERE ARE TWO OTHER PRIMARY PORTALS THAT WOULD BE OPENED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS. 
          SO SPECIAL DAYS WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY OR WHEN WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT FLOW THROUGH THAT, THOSE WOULD BE OPENED AND MADE ACCESSIBLE, SIMILAR KIND OF INTERPRETATION, UM, COULD HAPPEN IN THOSE LOCATIONS. 
          AND THEN IT'S ALSO CRITICAL THAT THAT IS JUST DURING MUSEUM HOURS. 
          SO THAT IS WHEN THE MUSEUM IS OPEN NIGHTS, WEEKENDS, ANY OTHER THAT AFTER HOURS, ANYBODY CAN WALK THROUGH THIS SITE JUST AS THEY DO TODAY, TAKING PICTURES IN FRONT OF THE CHAPEL, UM, AND FLOWING EAST, WEST, AND NORTH SOUTH. 
          SO WE THINK THAT IT WILL HAVE A TRANSFORMED EXPERIENCE AS A PLACE OF REVERENCE AND, AND, UM, CARING. 
          BUT IT WILL STILL BE THAT PLACE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS AND EXPERIENCES TODAY. 
          IF ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN BE ACHIEVED AND WE BELIEVE THEY CAN, YOU HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF LIVING HISTORY, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLORE THE MISSION STORIES. 
          PEOPLE CAN TRACE THEIR HISTORICAL ROOTS, THEIR EXPERIENCES. 
          WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES OF HISTORY AND COMMUNITIES. 
          WE CAN HONOR THE LIVES LOST. 
          AND INDEED WE CAN SEE EXCAVATIONS AND ARCHEOLOGY IN ACTION. 
          ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE IF WE CAN TAKE A FEW STEPS HERE AND TAKE A BOLD MOVE FORWARD TO EMBARK ON A FULL, UH, AND ENGAGING DESIGN PROCESS. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I THINK, CHERYL, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE IT BACK. 
          THANKS, JOHN. 
          AND, UH, ERIC. 
          SO ON AUGUST 30TH, THE ALAMO ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPROVED SEVEN RESOLUTIONS IN SUPPORT OF THE PLAN, AND THE RESOLUTIONS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE ON AUGUST 31ST. 
          AND ON SEPTEMBER 4TH, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE ALAMO PLAN AND SENT IT TO THE ALAMO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. 
          ON OCTOBER 2ND, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THE ALAMO EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, THAT INCLUDES MAYOR NIERENBERG AND COMMISSIONER BUSH APPROVED THE ALAMO PLAN. 
          SO IN ORDER TO PROCEED WITH THE DETAILED DESIGN PLAN FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS THE PLAZA PLANNING, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF DESIGN PLANS FOR THE VISITOR CENTER IN THE MUSEUM, UH, WILL NEED TO OBTAIN NECESSARY APPROVALS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND WE ARE, AND HAVE INITIATED THE STEPS NECESSARY TO, UH, BE ABLE TO CONTINUE MOVING THE PLAN FORWARD. 
          UH, THERE IS A JOINT MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION SCHEDULED FOR TODAY FOLLOWING THIS MEETING. 
          THAT BEGINS AT, UH, FIVE 30, AND THAT IS AT 1901 SOUTH ALAMO STREET. 
          AND, UH, THAT MEETING WILL INCLUDE, IT'S A JOINT MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND H D R C TO CONSIDER THOSE ITEMS THAT THEY MUST APPROVE, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. 
          WE'LL ALSO RECEIVE A BRIEFING ON THE PLAN ON OCTOBER 23RD, AND THE ITEM IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION NEXT THURSDAY, ON OCTOBER 18TH. 
          UH, AS WE, DEPENDING UPON THE CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO CLOSE SECTIONS OF ALAMO STREET, HOUSTON, AND CROCKETT STREET TO VEHICULAR ACCESS, AS WELL AS, UH, CREATE THE PEDESTRIAN RIGHT OF WAY, UH, TO CLOSE, VACATE AND ABANDON, UH, PART OF ALAMO STREET AND HOUSTON STREET. 
          NEXT, UH, TO ENABLE US TO RECAPTURE THE HISTORIC PLAZA, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEEDS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING THE PROPOSED LEASE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE. 
          AND OUR CITY 
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ATTORNEY, ANDY SEGOVIA, UH, TRANSMITTED A COPY OF THAT PROPOSED LEASE TO YOU LAST FRIDAY. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY, UH, OWNED PROPERTY IS PART OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE RECAPTURED TO ESTABLISH THAT HISTORIC PLAZA AND THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. 
          SO THE LEASE IS A GROUND LEASE, AS WELL AS A MANAGEMENT, UH, AGREEMENT AS TO HOW, UH, THAT LAND WILL BE OPERATED. 
          UH, THE H D R C MUST, UH, FIRST ALSO REVIEW THE PROPOSED DESIGN CHANGES TO ALAMO PLAZA AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          THOSE PRE, UH, PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDE, BUT AREN'T LIMITED TO THE RELOCATION OF THE C, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A FORMAL POINT OF ENTRY TO THE PLAZA DURING MUSEUM HOURS, AND THE REROUTING OF THE TWO FEST FIESTA PARADES IN A MANNER THAT STILL ACCOMMODATES, UH, THE IMPORTANT FIESTA, UH, TRADITIONS THAT COUNCILMAN TREVINO TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND I HAVE TO SAY, WORKED VERY HARD TO ACCOMMODATE AND REACH, UH, CONSENSUS ON THOSE, UH, FIESTA TRA UH, TRADITIONS. 
          THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION MUST ALSO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE RELOCATION AND REPAIR PLAN FOR THE T PRIOR TO ANY WORK, UH, BEGINNING. 
          AND WHILE THE H D R C DOES NOT HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, THE H D R C WILL REVIEW AND PROVIDE COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UH, ON, ON THOSE, UH, ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY'LL BE USED IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND SO THERE ARE THREE COUNCIL ACTIONS, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED. 
          THE FIRST IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER THE CLOSURE OF THE SECTIONS OF ALAMO STREET, HOUSTON STREET, AND CROCKETT STREET TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN ORDER TO CREATE THE PEDESTRIAN RIGHT OF WAY, AS WELL AS THE ABANDONMENT OF RIGHT OF WAY ON ALAMO AND HOUSTON, HOUSTON STREET NECESSARY TO RECAPTURE THE HISTORIC PLAZA. 
          SO THAT'D BE THE FIRST ACTION. 
          SECONDLY, THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER AND APPROVE THE LEASE AND MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, UH, FOR THE OPERATION OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY, UH, BUT WILL BE UNDER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE G L O. 
          THIRDLY, UH, AUTHORIZING, UH, THE CITY TO NEGOTIATE AND EXECUTE CONTRACTS FOR THE RESTORATION AND RELOCATION OF THE SENATE TAFT. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THREE ACTIONS. 
          UH, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION MUST ALSO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE RELOCATION OF THE SENATE TAF AND THE PROPOSED PLANS FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS OWNED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          AND AS I SAID, WHILE THE H D R C DOESN'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER THOSE HISTORIC BUILDINGS OWNED BY THE STATE, H D R C, AGAIN, WILL REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, UM, ABOUT THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          AND AS THE COUNCILMAN IDENTIFIED EARLIER, UH, THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE ANALYZED AND RECOMMENDATIONS MADE TO THE ARCHITECTS THAT WILL BE SELECTED TO DEVELOP THE DESIGN PLANS FOR THE VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM. 
          UH, THE CITY WILL ALSO BE ASKED TO TAKE, UH, ACTIONS ON THE LEASE AGREEMENT. 
          THE THIRD ITEM THAT I MENTIONED, AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THIS INCLUDE A 50 YEAR LEASE WITH 2 25 YEAR EXTENSIONS. 
          UH, ONE OF YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION IS THAT AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE G L O TO ACQUIRE THE LAND, PERHAPS IN 50 YEARS AND KNOW IT, IT WOULD, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE, UH, REQUIRE CITY, UH, TO APPROVE THAT BEFORE THAT COULD GO FORWARD. 
          BUT IT IS BASICALLY A 50 YEAR LEASE WITH 2 25 YEAR EXTENSIONS. 
          UH, THEY WILL ENSURE THAT THE PLAZA AREA REMAINS OPEN, ACCESSIBLE, AND FREE OF CHARGE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY'LL ENSURE THAT THE PUBLIC ENTERS THE ALAMO COMPLEX, THE CHURCH, AND THE NEW MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER IN THE OUTDOOR HISTORIC FOOTPRINT FROM A MAIN ENTRY POINT DURING MUSEUM HOURS, UH, WILL OPEN TO ADDITIONAL ACCESS AND EXIT POINTS DURING MUSEUM OPERATING HOURS IF THERE IS NO MUSEUM PROGRAMMING GOING ON WITHIN THE PLAZA AREA, OR THERE ARE HIGH TIMES OF HIGH PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITIES. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE LEASE, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, THERE ARE MORE THAN 30 DAYS THAT ARE ALREADY IDENTIFIED TO HAVE THOSE ACCESS POINTS OPEN. 
          UM, THEY WILL ALSO PROVIDE, UH, HIGH QUALITY PROGRAMMING AND SERVICES TO ENHANCE THE HISTORIC EXPERIENCE AT THE ALAMO AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ENTIRE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT. 
          UH, AND THEY WILL ALSO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS, THE TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE STATE ANTIQUITIES CODE, AND ENSURE THAT THE DESIGN FOR THE PLANNED MUSEUM WITHIN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE 
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THREE BUILDINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, CROCKETT, THE OLD PALACE, AND THE WOOLWORTH BUILDINGS, IS REVIEWED BY THE H D R C AND APPROVED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. 
          THEY WILL ALSO ENSURE THAT THE ALAMO PLAN RECOGNIZES AND INTERPRETS THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. 
          AND I KNOW, MAYOR, THAT WAS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU AND SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. 
          AND THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE LEASE AND MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE G L O. 
          SO THE CITY AND THE G L O WILL DEVELOP A SERVICE AND DELIVERY PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE AREA BUSINESSES. 
          THERE ARE CHANGES, AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE BUSINESSES IN THE AREA THAT WILL BE IMPACTED. 
          AND, UH, LORI AND HER TEAM HAVE ALREADY BEGUN THOSE MEETINGS WORKING WITH AREA BUSINESSES, THE CITY AND THE G L O WILL ALSO WORK WITH THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS, FIESTA, FLAMBE FIESTA COMMISSION, AND CAVALIERS ON REROUTING OF THE PARADES IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE IMPORTANT TRADITIONS. 
          WE COMMITTED TO THEM THAT WE WOULD DO THAT. 
          SO, UH, BEFORE, UM, I FINISH AND WE BEGIN TAKING QUESTIONS, AND THERE ARE AT LEAST A MORE THAN A DOZEN OF US THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS, UH, THAT YOU HAVE, SO WE'LL SHARE IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY. 
          BUT, UM, I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS PROJECT IS PARTIALLY FUNDED. 
          IT IS NOT FULLY FUNDED. 
          SO THE CITY'S ADOPTED FISCAL YEAR 2016 CAPITAL BUDGET INCLUDED $17 MILLION FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF ALAMO PLAZA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM INCLUDED AN ADDITIONAL $21 MILLION THAT WAS VOTER APPROVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FACILITIES IN SUPPORT OF THE ALAMO PRO, UH, PROJECT, AND IMPROVEMENTS IN, IN THE STREET AREAS AND, AND PLAZAS. 
          UH, SO FOR A TOTAL OF $38 MILLION FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE APPROVED 31 MILLION IN 2015. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ALAMO CHURCH. 
          AND 75 MILLION WAS APPROVED BY THE LEGISLATURE IN 2017 FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE ALAMO ITSELF, THE CHURCH, AND THE LONG BARRACKS, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          IT IS EXPECTED THAT THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT AND THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PRIVATELY FUNDRAISING, UM, APPROXIMATELY 200 MILLION, WE HOPE, PERHAPS EVEN MORE THAN THAT, UH, FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC, PRIVATE, UH, PROJECT. 
          THESE FUNDING COMMITMENTS AND FUNDRAISING WILL ALLOW FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MASTER PLAN AND THE INTERPRETIVE PLAN, AND THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED ALL OF THIS BEFORE 2024. 
          SO SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE ASKED, SO WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE FOR SOME OF THIS? LET ME JUST MENTION THE THREE OR FOUR MAJOR COMPONENTS. 
          THE CHURCH IN THE LONG BARRACK, UH, EXPECTED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN 2021 UNTIL 2023. 
          SO THERE IS A DESIGN PROCESS AND APPROVAL PROCESS, UH, THAT WILL PROCEED THAT, UH, THE VISITOR CENTER IN MUSEUM IS EXPECTED. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE, UM, TENTATIVE PLANS. 
          THEY AREN'T, UH, FINALIZED THROUGH CONTRACTS YET, BUT THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE MUSEUM WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, BY THE SPRING OF 2020, AND THAT IT WOULD TAKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO THREE YEARS TO COMPLETE, UH, THE VISITOR'S CENTER AND MUSEUM, THE SENATE HALF CTA CONSERVATION, ITS RESTORATION AND REPAIR AND REASSEMBLY, UH, WOULD BE DONE IN APPROXIMATELY 2020. 
          AND THE ALAMO PLAZA CONSTRUCTION WOULD BEGIN, UH, IN 2021 AND CONTINUE FOR TWO YEARS, UM, IN CONCERT WITH THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE AND COVER QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ASKED, UH, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND WE ARE NOW AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, CHERYL. 
          AND, UM, THANK YOU TO THE REST OF THE TEAM ON THE PRESENTATION. 
          I'D LIKE TO OFFER MY, UH, COLLEAGUE, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS, COUNCILMAN? WELL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I REALLY JUST THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST INVITE ALL MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO REALLY LOOK AT THE, THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WERE DEVELOPED WAY BACK SINCE, UH, UH, 2014. 
          AND IN FACT, IN MY HAND, I HAVE, UH, ONE OF THE DISCUSSION DRAFTS OF AUGUST 26TH, 2014. 
          AND, AND, UH, IN THESE OUTLINES, IT REALLY TALKS ABOUT ALL, ALL THE THINGS YOU JUST HEARD, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION. 
          AND IT'S, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC TIME FOR ALL OF US. 
          IT IS A 
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HISTORIC PARTNERSHIP WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AND THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT, AS CHERYL OUTLINED. 
          UM, UH, OUT OF OUR $38 MILLION INVESTMENT, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A HALF A BILLION DOLLAR PROJECT QUITE EASILY. 
          AND, UH, THE IMPACT IS, IS INCALCULABLE. 
          UH, WE KNOW THROUGH A, UH, ECONOMIC STUDY, UH, A, A BRIEF ECONOMIC STUDY THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT 5,000 NEW PERMANENT JOBS. 
          WE WILL SEE, UH, UH, AN IMMENSE IMPACT TO DOWNTOWN. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S THESE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT HAVE DRIVEN THIS FORWARD. 
          AND I, I'M JUST PROUD TO SAY WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY IS NOTHING NEW. 
          IT'S, THIS IS A RESPONSE TO THESE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          I WANT TO THANK THE, UH, THE DESIGN TEAM FOR ADHERING TO THOSE, UH, VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          WANNA THANK THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR, UH, HOLDING STEADFAST ON, ON WHAT WE KNOW IS GONNA BE THE TELLING OF A VERY COMPLETE STORY. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, AND SPECIFICALLY CHERYL SCULLY. 
          WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, FOUR YEARS TO REALLY MAKE THIS HAPPEN. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY ON THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE SINCE, UH, OCTOBER OF 2015. 
          AND, UH, REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF, OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROJECT. 
          THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A PROJECT. 
          THERE'S, UH, MUCH MORE TO DO, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES ABOUT, UH, THIS PROJECT AS IT PROGRESSES. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN TREVINO. 
          AND, UH, AS A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, UH, AND MAYOR, I WAS ABLE TO MAKE ONE APPOINTMENT KIND OF AT THE, TOWARDS THE END, UH, TO THE ALAMO ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UH, AND SO I'D LIKE TO OFFER, UM, LIONEL SOSA, UH, LIONEL, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SAY A FEW WORDS, I WOULD, UH, THANK YOU MAYOR FOR APPOINTING ME AT THE VERY END WHEN EVERYTHING WAS ALMOST A DONE DEAL. 
          UH, BUT WHAT I SAW THERE AT THE END, UH, WAS THIS AMAZING COOPERATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT GROUPS, UH, THAT REALLY STARTED IN ONE PLACE AND KIND OF WANTED EVERYTHING TO THIS WONDERFUL PLACE WHERE NOBODY GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANTED, BUT EVERYBODY GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING. 
          AND IT'S, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T SEE ALL THE TIME. 
          AND, UH, IT IS, I THINK, COUNCIL , AS YOU SAY, IT'S A, IT IS A HISTORIC TIME BECAUSE AS WE, UH, ARE NOW CONCLUDING OUR 300TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY'S FORMATION, AND WE LOOK TO THE NEXT 300 YEARS, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF IT, A NEW TRANSFORMATION OF OUR CITY, UH, THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT, UH, A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RIVERWALK. 
          AND THEN WITH THE NEW HEMISPHERE, UH, PARK COMING, UH, IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS AS WELL, IT, IT'LL ALL BE A NEW EXPERIENCE. 
          UH, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE SPENT, UH, 11 YEARS IN THE GILES BUILDING THAT WAS MY OFFICE. 
          AND FOR 11 YEARS, ABOUT 12 HOURS EVERY DAY. 
          'CAUSE I DID WORK LONG DAYS IN MY YOUTH. 
          UH, I SAW THE PEOPLE OUT THERE AND I SAW THEM WANDERING AROUND, WHERE AM I? WHAT IS THIS? IS THIS ALL, THERE IS A LITTLE TINY BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE OF DOWNTOWN? WHERE'S THE STORY? WHEN, WHERE CAN I LEARN MORE? THEY LEFT DISAPPOINTED. 
          WHEN THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETED, NO ONE WILL LEAVE. 
          DISAPPOINTED, NOT THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO WILL HAVE FULL ACCESS 24 HOURS A DAY, NOT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY THAT WANTS VERY, VERY MUCH TO KEEP WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD. 
          AND, UH, NOT EVEN THE FOLKS THAT, UH, THAT ARE SO EMPHATIC ABOUT, UH, THE, THE SAN STAYING AT THE, AT THE, UH, IN THE ALAMO GROUND. 
          SO EVERYBODY'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THEY WANT. 
          I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE JUST LAST WEEKEND TO GO TO THE COPIA ACADEMY. 
          COPIA WAS THE FELLOW WHO ACTUALLY DID THE, UH, SCULPTURES. 
          AND I FOUND THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND MR. KINI FOR THE, UH, CONTRACT THAT HE HAD TO DO TO DO THE SCULPTURES. 
          AND IT WAS, UH, HE GOT PAID 28, 20 $3,000 FOR IT, AND THAT GAVE HIM ENOUGH MONEY AT THAT TIME. 
          I THINK IT'S NOW IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, IT'LL BE ABOUT 3 MILLION BUCKS, ENOUGH TO MOVE FROM NEW YORK AND TO MAKE HIS HOME IN SAN ANTONIO AND TO CONTINUE TO CREATE ART. 
          SO THIS IS WONDERFUL. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK, UH, WITH ALL OF THE COMMISSION FOR THIS, UH, SHORT TIME. 
          AND, UH, I'M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY HAS DONE FOR FOUR LONG YEARS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, LIONEL, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          UM, THE, THE THIRD 
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TRI CHAIR O OF THE ALAMO CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS SUEANN PEMBERTON. 
          SUEANN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW REMARKS BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH CONVERSATION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, TO THE CITY FOR, UM, KINDA ALLOWING AND ENTRUSTING THIS PROCESS TO SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          I WAS ASKED BY THIS CHARACTER NAMED JULIAN CASTRO, IF I WOULD BE ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
          SO IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, SINCE, SINCE, UH, UH, 2014. 
          UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE, THE END GOAL AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES WERE, UH, THOROUGHLY THOUGHT OUT, UH, THOROUGHLY AGREED UPON, AND NOW BEING IMPLEMENTED INTO THIS PROCESS. 
          AND WE SEE THAT HAPPENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, SUE ANN. 
          UM, AND I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, BUT, UM, THIS IS ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, UM, UH, OF A PROCESS. 
          AND FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, WHO IS VERY ABLELY GUIDED. 
          UH, THESE, UH, STEPS TO DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN AND GET US THROUGH NOT JUST A JOINT AGREEMENT, BUT TOWARDS, UM, AN ACTUAL LEASE DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN APPROVE AS CITY'S COUN AS CITY COUNCIL IN RESPECTIVE OF ALL THE VOICES THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION, AS WELL AS COUNCILMAN GRO, WHO HAS ALSO QUITE ABLELY GUIDED US THROUGH, UH, WHAT IS A GROUNDBREAKING EVENT FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO FOR TEXAS. 
          AND THAT IS, UH, RECOGNIZING WHAT IS THE ONLY WORLD HERITAGE SITE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IN THE FIRST ONE FOR THE UNITED STATES IN A LONG TIME. 
          IF YOU ASK ANYBODY, I WOULD VENTURE TO BET, IF YOU ASK ANYONE, UH, IN HERE, IN SAN ANTONIO, IN DALLAS, BOSTON, OR IN TOKYO, WHAT IS THE ONE BRAND? WHAT IS THE ONE IMAGE THEY RECOGNIZE UNIVERSALLY ACROSS THE WORLD? IT'S PROBABLY TEXAS. 
          EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT TEXAS IS. 
          AND THE ONE IMAGE THAT COMES TO MIND WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT TEXAS IS THE ALAMO. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. 
          IT'S A GREAT HONOR, UH, AND IT'S PERHAPS AN OBLIGATION AS CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT WE DO OUR PART FOR THE NEXT GENERATION TO PRESERVE AND TO REVERE AND TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LANDMARK IN OUR STATE. 
          THAT SAID, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THIS CENTER OF CIVIC LIFE FOR SAN ANTONIO REMAINS THAT WAY. 
          AND THAT THE 300 YEARS OF HISTORY AT THE ALAMO IS NOT JUST REFLECTIVE OF WHAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND KNOW ABOUT THE ALAMO, UH, BUT ALSO IT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE 300 YEARS OF ACTIVE CIVIC LIFE THAT'S OCCURRED THERE. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN THE CRUCIBLE OF THE CONVERSATION FOR ME FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME THAT THIS HAS BEEN WORKED ON. 
          I WILL SAY THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN THIS IS PASSED, WHEN THIS IS CONSTRUCTED AND WE WALK ON THE GROUNDS IN 2024 AS CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO, AS CITIZENS OF TEXAS, AND AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD A ROLE IN PRESERVING AND ENHANCING THE ALAMO, WE WILL BE VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE ACCOMPLISHED THIS YEAR. 
          I DO KNOW THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO, AND PERHAPS MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN THAT, PEOPLE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY AND WHAT WE'LL DO IN THE NEXT STEPS, AT LEAST SINCE 1994. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANNE MAGONE IS ACTUALLY IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO GET TO THIS POINT FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS TO GET TO THIS POINT, UH, OF A REDEVELOPMENT OF MASTER PLAN THAT RESPECTS THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE AS CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AS A STATE. 
          UM, I THINK IF COUNCILMAN PEAK MAYOR PEAK FOLKS THAT WERE ENGAGED IN THE DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT COULD SEE WHAT WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING TODAY, THEY'D BE DARN PROUD. 
          THAT SAID, I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALSO ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING THAT CITIZENS IN OUR CITY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. 
          SO I DON'T TAKE ANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING VERY LIGHTLY, BUT LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHY I CHOSE TO SIGN THE RESOLUTION, WHICH WASN'T IMMEDIATELY. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE LAST TWO AND A HALF, THREE WEEKS, UH, SINCE THE LAND COMMISSIONER SIGNED THE RESOLUTION AND SIGNALED HIS, UH, READINESS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          THE CIVIC SPACE OF SAN ANTONIO IS, IS NOT JUST IN, UH, NAME. 
          WE MUST HAVE 24 7 UNHINDERED ACCESS TO THE PLAZA. 
          THAT IS TRUE WITH THIS PLAN. 
          IN ORDER FOR US TO SANCTIFY THE SPACE TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORY OF THE 
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BATTLE, TO HONOR THE DEFENDERS, TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE HISTORY THAT OCCURRED OVER THE LAST 300 YEARS ON THAT SITE, THERE ARE ALSO CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. 
          UH, CONSCIOUS CHANGES, DELIBERATE CHANGES, CHANGES DONE WITH CARE AND CAUTION, BUT ALSO WITH RESPECT. 
          I WASN'T THERE ALL THE WAY. 
          I'LL ADMIT TO YOU, COUNCILMAN ON THE ISSUE OF THE STREET. 
          BUT WHEN I UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ONLY THE STREET FUNCTION, UH, AS PART OF THE PLAZA, BUT ALSO, UH, SITES OF VERY IMPORTANT ARCHEOLOGY AND HISTORY, INCLUDING, UH, INDIGENOUS BURIAL GROUNDS, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT HISTORY. 
          IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE UNDERSTAND OUR HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIANS WITH RESPECT TO THE ALAMO IS INCLUSIVE OF THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED, UH, AT THE LUNCH COUNTER AT WOOLWORTH, AND THAT WE TELL THE STORY, WHICH IS NOT BEING TOLD TODAY, BY THE WAY, OF CIVIL RIGHTS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THIS PLAN DOES THAT THIS PLAN ALSO RESPECTS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE TIMES IN OUR CALENDAR THAT THE SI THAT, THAT THE ALAMO PLAZA BECOMES OUR PERMANENT WEEKEND PLACE. 
          THIS PLAN RESPECTS THAT. 
          AND I ALSO KNOW THAT 95% OF THE 1.6 MILLION PEOPLE THAT GO DOWN TO THE ALAMO RIGHT NOW STAY FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES, MAYBE LESS THAN THAT. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT FROM HERE. 
          I SURELY HOPE BY THE TIME THEY LEAVE HERE, THEY LEAVE ENHANCED, THEY LEAVE UNDERSTANDING THE ROLE THAT OUR CITY PLAYED IN TEXAS INDEPENDENCE, AND, AND OUR CITY PLAYED IN THE ROLE OF THE CONFLUENCE OF CULTURES THAT HAS BECOME SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS TODAY. 
          THIS PLAN DOES THAT. 
          SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE HAVING WORKED WITH THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, WITH THE LAND OFFICE TO MODIFY THE PROPOSAL THAT NOT ONLY RESPECTS A PARTNERSHIP AND A TRUST NOW BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO PUTS THAT TRUST IN WRITING AND A CONTRACT THAT REFLECTS THE FACT THAT WE NOT ONLY TRUST EACH OTHER, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE MUTUALLY LEVERAGED IN THIS PARTNERSHIP IN THIS SITE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO BOTH OF US, TO ALL OF US. 
          SO IN CON, IN CLOSING, UM, I WANNA THANK EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PLAN, THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OF WHICH I KNOW THERE'S A DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS AND A LOT OF VOCAL OPPOSITION AT TIMES. 
          IT HAS RESULTED IN WHAT I THINK IS A VERY ELEGANT PLAN WHEN THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF. 
          UM, I'M VERY PROUD OF ARRIVING TO THIS POINT. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO PUTTING MY SIGNATURE ON THE PAPER ONCE AGAIN TO FINALLY MOVE FORWARD TO CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN HOPEFULLY, UH, WITH MY COLLEAGUES AT THE TABLE WHO'VE HAD AN ACTIVE ROLE IN HELPING US GET TO THE FINISH LINE, WE CAN ENJOY WALKING ON THAT PLAZA THAT FINALLY GETS THE ALAMO RIGHT, PRESERVED, SANCTIFIED, AND READY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION. 
          SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN PERRY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY AND WANNA THANK, UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO AND THE TEAM THAT'S PUT TOGETHER THIS PLAN. 
          UM, IT'S GONE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMENTS. 
          A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS, AND I HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS. 
          ALSO, I HAVE CONCERNS. 
          I, I GOTTA BE PERFECTLY HONEST, I'VE GOT CONCERNS WITH THIS OVERALL PLAN, AND I, I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS HERE. 
          I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA ANSWER THESE THINGS. 
          I'LL JUST ASK 'EM, AND Y'ALL CAN, UH, UH, HELP AS A TEAM OR WHATEVER TO, TO ANSWER THESE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, STARTING OFF WITH THE UH, THE CTA. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN MANY, MANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE SANITA. 
          I I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMMENTS COMING TO ME, UM, ABOUT IT OBSTRUCTING A VIEW OR IT IMPEDING ANY REENACTMENTS OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T DO ANY SCHOOL TOURS OUT THERE NOW. 
          WE DON'T DO ANY LIVE REENACTMENTS. 
          WE DON'T DO ANY KIND OF EDUCATION OUT IN THAT AREA. 
          I MEAN, DO WE DO THAT TODAY? ARE THERE SCHOOL TOURS? ARE THERE REENACTMENTS? ARE THERE YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO WE DO THAT TODAY, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE NOT DOING IT, BUT WE ARE. 
          UM, I GOT CONCERNS ABOUT DAMAGING THE, THE STRUCTURE AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT GONNA COST US ON ACTUALLY MOVING IT? AND WILL WE BE ABLE TO RESTORE THAT STRUCTURE IF IT GETS DAMAGED? SO, UM, HAS THERE BEEN A COST ANALYSIS DONE ON ACTUALLY MOVING THAT STRUCTURE FROM ONE THE 500 FEET? A VERY PRELIMINARY, UM, ANALYSIS, BUT NOTHING IN TERMS OF ANY ENGINEERING OR DESIGN. 
          LET ME 
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JUST SAY THAT THE SYNAP DOES NEED TO BE RESTORED. 
          UH, THERE ARE, IT IS DAMAGED. 
          IT HAS NOT BEEN REPAIRED SINCE IT WAS INSTALLED A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, UH, AND SO NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. 
          UH, SO IT DOES NEED, UH, RESTORATION, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT PHASE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES MOVING FORWARD, THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THAT NEXT PHASE. 
          COUNCILMAN AND I, AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, THAT THE PLAN IS TO, TO CREATE A NEW STRUCTURE, A MODERN SUPER STRUCTURE, TO HOLD THE, THE PIECES, UH, THAT THE, THAT ARE UP NOW. 
          SO THE SENATE HALF WILL NOT BE MOVING AS A SINGLE PIECE ACROSS TO, TO ITS NEW LOCATION. 
          IT'LL BE RELOCATED THOUGHTFULLY, UH, AND PUT BACK TOGETHER THE WAY WAS ORIGINALLY PUT, UH, PUT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          I WOULD ALSO ADD, THOUGH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, UH, OR THE TOURS NOW WITH SCHOOL CHILDREN, THERE ARE, BUT THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO THE AREAS THAT THEY CAN GO. 
          NOW, LET'S REMEMBER THAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, THE ROAD THERE IN, IN ITS PLACE. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TO CHANGE IS THE EXPERIENCE THAT THE SCHOOL KIDS HAVE IS, IS TO GO INTO THE CHURCH ITSELF AND THEN BACK INTO THE GARDENS. 
          UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A FULL APPRECIATION OF WHAT THE MISSION HISTORIC FOOTPRINT IS. 
          SO PART OF, UH, THE RELOCATION IS TO RECAPTURE THAT MISSION FOOTPRINT TO CLEARLY DELINEATE, UH, WHETHER IT'S, WHETHER YOU'RE A SCHOOL, UH, SCHOOL CHILD OR A RESIDENT HERE OR A VISITOR, YOU'LL CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE STANDING. 
          AND, AND THAT IS, THAT IS THE PRIMARY GOAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, I'VE SEEN, UH, TOURS OUT THERE, AND THEY DO, THEY DON'T JUST LIMIT THEM TO THE, UH, TO THE CHAPEL ITSELF. 
          THEY, THEY TOUR THE GROUNDS THERE IN FRONT AROUND THE CTA. 
          AND, UM, I, I WOULD DISAGREE THAT THEY DON'T GET AN APPRECIATION FOR THE AREA ITSELF AND WHERE THE EXTENT OF THE BOUNDARIES ARE TODAY. 
          UM, THAT'S, THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON THE, UM, CTA AND I, I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESTORING IT IN PLACE VERSUS RELOCATING IT TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. 
          I'VE SEEN THE PICTURES OF THE SUPERSTRUCTURE, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN EASY JOB. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE JOB TO RECREATE THAT SUPERSTRUCTURE WHEREVER. 
          IF THE DECISION IS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT, RENOVATING IN PLACE IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN REMOVING IT AND MOVING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD WANT TO ADD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE CURRENT LOCATION IS NOT PART OF, UH, ANY KIND OF MASTER PLAN FROM THE, FROM THE PA IN THE PAST. 
          THE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE RELOCATING IT IN A, IN A, IN AN AREA WHERE IT CAN BE INCORPORATED WITH ALL THE NEWER ELEMENTS TO, TO BE A PART OF AN OVERALL MASTER PLAN OR SCHEME IS, IS ALSO WHY WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE ENHANCED. 
          BECAUSE OF THE CEREMONIAL ACTIVITY ZONE AND THE NEW ALAMO PLAZA, WE FEEL THAT THERE'S STILL SOME TWEAKS TO BE DONE IN THAT DESIGN, AND, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE ENHANCED AS PART OF THIS PROPOSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I, I THINK, UH, YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD WHY YOU THINK THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS ON WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE DONE AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, VERY APPROPRIATELY WORDED THERE. 
          UM, I WOULD, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, WE DID A TELEPHONE SURVEY AND DISTRICT 10, WE HAD, UH, 565 CONNECTS, 64% DON'T MOVE. 
          THE CAF DISTRICT 6 433 CONNECTS 66. 
          DON'T MOVE THE CAF DISTRICT ONE RIGHT DOWN HERE, DOWNTOWN 298 CONNECTS 63%. 
          DON'T MOVE THE CTA. 
          AND OVERALL, AND I'LL GET TO ANOTHER PORTION OF IT HERE IN JUST A SECOND, BUT, UH, THAT WAS WITH ALMOST 1300, UH, CONNECTS. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD POLL. 
          UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          THE, UH, CROCKETT, THE, THE FACILITIES ABOUT REPURPOSING. 
          I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY SAYING WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE BUILDINGS, AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT GETS REINTEGRATED INTO THIS PLAN AND NOT TAKE THOSE BUILDINGS DOWN AND CREATING A NEW STRUCTURE. 
          I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THIS WORLD UNTIL A LOT OF MUSEUMS, AND I'VE SEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF MUSEUMS, DIFFERENT FLOOR LEVELS, DIFFERENT DIFFERENT STRUCTURES THAT WERE CONVERTED INTO VERY, VERY NICE MUSEUMS. SO THERE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A REASON IN THE WORLD THAT THESE BUILDINGS CAN'T BE, UH, REPURPOSED FOR THAT, FOR THAT. 
          UM, IS THAT THE CURRENT PLAN NOW TO REPURPOSE THESE BUILDINGS THAT IS YET TO BE STUDIED? IN FACT, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE IS AN ANALYSIS OF THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, UH, OF THE BUILDINGS AND HOW THEY PERHAPS COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE MUSEUM. 
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SO THAT WILL BE DONE FIRST. 
          AND AN ARCHITECTURAL TEAM IS, UH, BEING CONSIDERED RIGHT NOW. 
          IN FACT, THERE ARE COUNCILMEN MORE THAN 30, UH, PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM INTERNATIONAL ARCHITECTS AS WELL AS LOCAL TO, UH, STUDY THAT. 
          SO IT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT, UH, WE WILL TAKE EVERY CONSIDERATION, AND AS I SAID EARLIER, THE H D R C WILL, UH, REVIEW AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE, HIS TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION MUST ALSO APPROVE, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE BUILDINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THE STREETS AROUND THE ALAMO, THIS IS ONE OF 'EM THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF OUR CITY, THAT WE'RE GONNA CLOSE SOME STREETS, UM, THAT'S GONNA REROUTE TRAFFIC. 
          IT'S GONNA, I I THINK THE FUTURE WILL SHOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL CONGESTION ALONG LA SOYA AND REROUTING THOSE STREETS AROUND, AROUND THAT AREA. 
          ALAMO STREET. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK, I THINK THE PARADE FOLKS AND EVERYBODY HAS AGREED TO CLOSING THAT STREET. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR THINGS ABOUT BURIAL GROUNDS, OR WE TALKING ABOUT BURIAL GROUNDS IN ON ALAMO STREET. 
          WERE THERE BURIAL GROUNDS ALONG ALAMO STREET? YES. 
          SO HOW CAN THERE STILL BE BURIAL GROUNDS REMAINING THERE? WE HAVE A 48 INCH DRAINAGE LINE AND A HUGE ELECTRICAL DUCT BANK GOING ALONG ALAMO STREET THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DUG UP. 
          AND THERE'S, HOW COULD WE STILL HAVE BURIAL GROUNDS ALONG ALAMO STREET? I, I, THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          WE HAVE HUGE UTILITY CORRIDORS GOING THROUGH THERE. 
          IT IS ALL BEEN DUG UP BEFORE. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WITH BURIAL GROUNDS THERE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. 
          KAY'S HERE. 
          NOPE. 
          KAY IS NOT HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, COUNCILMAN, IF YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT, OR EVEN ERIC. 
          WELL, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE WHOLE POINT IS, AS WE'VE SAID, WE, WE WANT TO TELL A COMPLETE STORY AT THE ALAMO. 
          AND, UH, PART OF THE STORY IS ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT FOUGHT, LIVED AND DIED THERE. 
          AND SO SOME OF THOSE, UH, BURIAL GROUND TELL THE STORY. 
          WE KNOW THE NAMES OF THOSE FOLKS. 
          WE HAD A SLIDE THAT ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THERE, THERE'S, UH, INFORMATION OF, OF HOW WE PLAN TO, TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE, THE FOLKS THAT, THAT ARE BURIED ON THOSE GROUNDS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, TO CLOSE THE STREETS, I GET, I, I THINK IS GONNA BE, UH, CAUSING CONGESTION NOT ONLY FOR STREETS, FOR CARS AND, UH, OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, BUT ALSO FOR PEDESTRIANS. 
          SO, UM, BY THE WAY, I'VE PUT ALL THIS IN THE VAR REPORT IN AN ARTICLE, SO PLEASE GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, THE ALAMO PLAZA GRADE LOWERING, UM, I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S GONNA BE LOWERED AROUND 16 INCHES. 
          UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, IT'S MORE THAN 16 INCHES. 
          THAT'S THE, THE LOWEST PART THAT IT WOULD BE 16 INCHES. 
          IT ACTUALLY GOES UP TO 30 AND 36 INCHES, UM, AS THE GRADE CHANGES TOWARDS THE CHAPEL. 
          AND WHY, EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN, WHY WE'RE LOWERING THAT WHOLE AND IS THIS JUST IN FRONT OF THE CHAPEL OR IS IT AROUND THE CHAPEL, THE WHOLE AREA? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THE WHOLE AREA? UM, ERIC, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE THE REFERENCE TO GOING BELOW THE 16 INCHES, AND OF COURSE THIS IS STILL, THERE'S LOTS OF DESIGN TO DO. 
          SO THE EXACT NUMBER, I, I WOULDN'T PROFFER A GUESS. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING TO LOWER THE GRADE, NOT DOWN INTO ANY OF THE ARCHEOLOGY. 
          SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF BUILDUP OF THE CITY THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THESE YEARS. 
          WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO GO DOWN AND TO DISTURB THE ARCHEOLOGY, EXCEPT IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THROUGH ARCHEOLOGY IT WOULD BE REVEALED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE GLASS PANELS WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY BEGIN TO SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE MISSION EDGES IN THE BUILDINGS. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS ABOUT LOWERING THE GRADE IS IN RELATION TO THE CURRENT, UH, CHURCH FACADE. 
          AND ALL OF THAT FILL OVER TIME IS ACTUALLY DETRIMENTAL TO THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE CHURCH. 
          AND SO PART OF THIS IS ABOUT ACTUALLY REMOVING FILL THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THESE YEARS TO PRESERVE THE ARTIFACTS. 
          WE ALSO THINK, JUST AS A CHARACTER AND AN URBAN DESIGN IDEA, THAT THIS EXPERIENCE OF MOVING INTO THE SITE, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTIATING IT FROM THE KIND OF EVERYDAY SIDEWALKS AND STREETS OF THE CITY, TRANSFORMS THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF THAT SPACE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SUCH THAT IT HAS THIS KIND OF REVERENTIAL NATURE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO FOUNDATION TYPE ISSUES ON THE CHAPEL AND LONG BARRACKS. 
          COULD YOU PULL UP THOSE PICTURES THAT, THAT I SUPPLIED? 
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OKAY. 
          THIS IS A PICTURE BACK IN THE LATE 1860S, EARLY 1870S. 
          DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE, BUT YOU SEE THAT, WHAT'S THAT DARK LINE ON IT? UM, YOU SEE THE DARK LINE, THAT'S A DAMP LINE THAT IS, WAS THERE BACK IN THE 1860S. 
          AND LOOK HOW DARK IT WAS. 
          AND GUESS WHAT, THIS WAS AT THE LOWER ELEVATION. 
          THIS WAS AT THE, THERE WAS NO BUILDUP. 
          IF YOU LOOK, YOU CAN SEE THE STEPS TO THE CHAPEL AND PEOPLE, PEOPLE LOWER. 
          SO, UH, THIS WAS AT THE ORIGINAL FOUNDATION DEPTHS. 
          NOW PUT UP TODAY'S PICTURE SHOULD BE ANOTHER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, DIDN'T GET TODAY'S PICTURE. 
          IF YOU'D LOOK, GO OUT THERE TODAY AND LOOK AT THE ALAMO. 
          YOU WON'T HARDLY EVEN SEE THAT DAMP LINE. 
          SO WE'RE JUSTIFYING TAKING OUT 16 INCHES OR MORE OF, UH, FILL AROUND THAT WHOLE AREA BECAUSE OF FOUNDATION PROBLEMS. I, I GOT AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE BACK THERE IN 18 60, 18 70, YOU HAD A DARKER DAMP LINE THAT MEANT IT WAS, IT WAS, UH, CREEPING UP THE WALLS WITH THE, THE DAMP CONDITIONS. 
          LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          WATER DOES NOT STAND AROUND THERE THE WAY IT DID BACK IN THOSE DAYS. 
          AND THE, THE DAMP LINE HAS ACTUALLY FADED. 
          IT'S VERY, IT'S BARELY VISIBLE NOW. 
          YOU HAVE TO REALLY LOOK FOR IT. 
          SO, IN MY OPINION, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE OUT ALL THIS DIRT DOWN TO GET IT DOWN TO A LEVEL THAT, UH, WE'RE GETTING BACK DOWN TO ARCHEOLOGICAL FINES. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO DIG DOWN TO DIG OUT THOSE AREAS TO LOOK AT THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE PERIMETER WALLS. 
          YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT DIGGING DOWN THAT WHOLE AREA, WHICH IS GONNA CAUSE TREMENDOUS DISRUPTION TO THAT AREA. 
          NOT WITHSTANDING, UM, MAYBE TAKING OUT THE BIG TREES THAT WE HAVE THERE NOW, THE CACTUS ALL AROUND THE GARDENS. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL AROUND THERE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S GONNA TAKE YEARS TO RE RECLAIM THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MY COMMENTS ON TAKING OUT ALL OF THAT EARTH WORK AROUND, AROUND THOSE FACILITIES THERE. 
          UM, NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE LAST THING HERE FROM, FROM ME ON MY COMMENTS. 
          THE ACCESS TO THE FACILITY ITSELF. 
          I AM TOTALLY IN DISAGREEMENT OF PUTTING UP A BARRIER AROUND THAT PLAZA. 
          I'M GONNA SAY THIS IS A LINE IN THE SAND FOR ME. 
          I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT. 
          WE HAVE GOTTEN MANY COMMENTS FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT SECTION SECTIONED OFF. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE ENTRANCE DURING THE DAY THAT WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE TO FIND THE ENTRANCE TO THE, EITHER TO THE MUSEUM OR NEXT TO THE MUSEUM. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF SAN I MEAN, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY DEEDED TO US. 
          I MEAN, JUST LISTEN TO THE WORDS HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DEED, AND IT SHALL BE UNDERSTOOD AND IT BEING UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PROPERTY HEREBY CONVEYED AND IS SO CONVEYED ON CONDITION THAT IT SHALL BE DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC USE AS AN OPEN SPACE. 
          DO WE, UH, WITH THIS PLAN, ARE WE GONNA HAVE AN OPEN SPACE? YES, WE ARE, SIR. 
          WELL, AND ANDY SEGOVIA, WHO'S DONE A LEGAL OPINION ON THAT ORIGINAL TRANSACTION, CAN, UH, DISCUSS THAT IF YOU WISH. 
          WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONVEYED. 
          ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA CHANGE? WHAT WAS THE WAY I READ IT? AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE LAWYERS COME IN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND ARGUE IT, BUT THE WAY I READ IT, IT SAYS OPEN. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN THIS PLAN IS A POROUS SPACE, WHICH IS NOT AN OPEN SPACE. 
          AN OPEN SPACE IS FREE FLOW. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          I MEAN, EVER SINCE IT'S BEEN THERE, IT'S BEEN OPEN. 
          PEOPLE TRAVERSE IT. 
          PEOPLE GO OUT THERE AND HAVE PICNICS GO AND HAVE A RASSA. 
          THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA ENJOY THAT SPACE. 
          SO THAT IS NOT THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. 
          AND TO ME, THIS WOULD BE DEVASTATING FOR US TO GO HAVE TOURISTS, NOT ONLY TOURISTS, BUT SAN ANTONIO'S TRYING TO FIND THAT SINGLE ENTRANCE TO GET INTO THAT PLACE AND THEN FIND THERE'S 
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A LINE THERE. 
          THEY'LL TURN AROUND AND GO HOME SAYING, OH, I'M NOT GONNA WAIT IN LINE TO GO THROUGH THERE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THIS, THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO MANAGE THEIR EXPECTATIONS. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA COME THERE FOR ONE REASON, AND THAT'S TO SEE THE BATTLE SITE. 
          THEY WANT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE CHAPEL, TAKE SOME PICTURES, AND PROBABLY LEAVE. 
          SHOULD WE MANAGE THAT EXPERIENCE? DO WE HAVE TO TELL THEM? YOU WILL GO THROUGH THAT MUSEUM AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND THEN GET TO LEARN ALL ABOUT THE ALAMO. 
          IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE CHAPEL. 
          I DON'T THINK. 
          SO THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. 
          WE SHOULD ALLOW THAT FREE OPEN SPACE TO FLOW THROUGH THAT WHOLE AREA ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S MY LINE IN THE SAND. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DEEDED OF LITTLE BIT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO HERE IS, UH, DEEDED, UH, I, I GOT SOME COMMENTS HERE. 
          THE LEASE TERM SECTION 2 0 5, THE LEASE STATES THAT GL HO SHALL HAVE THE OPTION TO PURCHASE SUP PREMISES FOR FAIR MARKET VALUE CONTINGENT ON CITY APPROVAL OF THE PURCHASE. 
          I, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVER SELL THIS LAND TO THE STATE. 
          WE NEED TO KEEP IT IN OUR INVENTORY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND AGAIN, THE ACCESS TO IT, TO ME, THAT'S NON-NEGOTIABLE. 
          IT SHOULD BE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY AROUND THE ENTIRE ENTIRE SITE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS THAT SAYS THAT, UH, IT SHALL REMAIN OPEN, ACCESSIBLE, AND FREE OF CHARGE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE DEEDED. 
          I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK, UM, UH, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. 
          IT SHOULD BE OPEN FREE ACCESS 24 7 365. 
          I ALREADY READ WHAT THE ORIGINAL DEEDED FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAID. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, WE ARE NOT PROVIDING AN OPEN SPACE IN THIS PLAN. 
          IT'S A POROUS SPACE, AND THAT IS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITH THAT. 
          UM, SECTION 6.03 A, IT SAYS THAT THE G L O SHALL NOT CHARGE A FEE TO ENTER THE ALAMO PLAZA AREAS OF THE PREMISES. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD STOP THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT GOES ON TO SAY, WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN APPROVAL, WHICH SHALL NOT BE REASONABLY WITHHELD TO THE CITY MANAGER OR HER DESIGNEE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN THERE AT ALL. 
          THERE SHOULD NOT BE A FEE TO GO INTO THAT ALAMO GROUNDS. 
          PERIOD. 
          TAKE THAT OUT OF THERE. 
          THEN IT GOES IN, UH, SECTION 8 0 6, ACCESS TO THE PREMISES, UH, SECTION A SITES THAT THIS HISTORIC MISSION SPACE WILL HAVE SIX ACCESS POINTS AND WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC 24 7 THROUGH THE MUSEUM ENTRIES AS DESCRIBED IN THE ALAMO PLAN. 
          WELL, LEMME TELL YOU, I I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE RESTRICTING IT THROUGH THE MUSEUM OR EVEN NEXT TO THE MUSEUM. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE ALL OPEN. 
          UM, I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CONTROL ACCESS. 
          WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY. 
          AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL, LEMME JUST LEMME GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE HERE. 
          BACK IN JULY, WE GOT A, WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE A I A, WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR? AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS GOING THROUGH SEVERAL POINTS THAT WE ARE VIOLATING UNDER THIS PLAN. 
          AND THAT'S FROM THE INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS THAT THIS PLAN THAT WE'RE PRESENTING VIOLATES THESE ISSUES. 
          SO OUR OWN ARCHITECTURAL INDUSTRY IS TELLING US, HEY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING BY WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR IN CURRENT MODERN CITIES. 
          ANOTHER LETTER, THIS FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, 7,000 SIGNATURES ABOUT KEEPING OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS THERE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE ALAMO. 
          ANOTHER ONE, UH, THIS WAS FROM, UH, KYLE BEATERMAN JUST CAME IN ON OCTOBER 5TH. 
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MANY LEGISLATORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT MOVING THE SENATE. 
          THIS WILL CERTAINLY BE DISCUSSED IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION TO INCLUDE THE FUNDING OF THIS PROJECT. 
          IF IT DOESN'T CHANGE, THEY INSIST THAT THE BATTLE REMAIN THE FOCAL POINT OF THE ALAMO, THE BATTLE. 
          THEN ANOTHER LETTER FROM, UM, UH, LAKE AND FLATTO OR FLATTO ON FLA LAKE AND FLATTO, AND JUST READ SOME OF THESE. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE PLAZA BE A DYNAMIC AND WELCOMING CIVIC SPACE. 
          IT HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST 200 YEARS, PERHAPS THE MOST MEMORIAL MEMORABLE PLACE IN THE STATE. 
          THE PLAZA IS CURRENTLY ENVISIONED WITH WALLS, FENCES, AND GATES, SEPARATING THE ALAMO GROUNDS FROM THE REST OF THE CITY CREATES A WALL DESTINATION FOR THE ALAMO VISITORS AND, AND INHIBITS THE USE OF THE SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          BEING ABLE TO FREELY MOVE INTO THE PLAZA FROM ANY DIRECTION AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY, IS PIVOTAL, IS A PIVOTAL CHARACTER IN ALL GREAT PLAZAS. 
          AND WAS PART OF THE DIRECTIVE IN THE ORIGINAL ALAMO MASTER PLAN'S GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH SAYS THE PLAN SHOULD ENHANCE CONNECTIVITY AND SHOULD RESPECT THE CONTINUUM OF HISTORY OF THE PLAZA CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL GUIDELINES. 
          WE FEEL THAT THE PLAZA SHOULD BE BOTH AN HISTORIC AND REVERENTIAL PLACE, AS WELL AS A VIBRANT, LISTEN TO THAT VIBRANT PUBLIC SPACE, FULLY CONNECTED TO THE CITY. 
          AND YOU CAN DO THAT WITHOUT FENCES AND WALLS OR GATES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, HERE'S, THAT'S JUST A FEW EXAMPLES. 
          I, AGAIN, I'VE GOTTEN MANY EMAILS, TEXTS, PHONE CALLS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THIS OVERALL PLAN. 
          I'VE JUST OUTLINED A FEW OF THEM. 
          AND, UM, I, I JUST FOR US TO SIT HERE SAYING, WE WILL MANAGE THEIR EXPECTATIONS ON WHAT THEY SHOULD SEE GOING INTO THE PLAZA AND INTO THE ALAMO IS JUST WRONG. 
          IT IS FLAT, WRONG. 
          AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN TO A LOT OF MUSEUMS. I SPENT 10 YEARS IN EUROPE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CASTLE RUINS, CASTLES, PALACES ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          AND YOU'RE FREE TO ROAM AROUND. 
          THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PUSHING YOU THROUGH A PARTICULAR ENTRANCE SAYING, YOU WILL GO HERE, FIND IT. 
          IT'S, THEY'RE OPEN, THEY'RE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HAD HERE FOR OVER 200 YEARS. 
          AND NOW WE'RE GONNA COME IN AND SAY, NOPE, YOU GOTTA DO THIS PLAN TO MANAGE THE VISITOR'S EXPECTATIONS. 
          PEOPLE WANNA COME HERE, GO INTO THE FRONT OF THE ALAMO, TAKE THEIR PICTURES, AND MAYBE LOOK AROUND. 
          WE, YOU CAN MANAGE THOSE EXPECTATIONS WITH, WE'VE ALREADY PUT SOME BLA UH, BRONZE PLAQUES OUT THERE TO HELP VISUALIZE WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. 
          THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT THAN FUNNELING THEM THROUGH A, THROUGH A MUSEUM OR BLOCKING OFF ACCESS TO THE REST OF THE CITY. 
          THAT IS WRONG. 
          AND I'M, I'M REALLY HOPING THAT OTHER COUNCIL FOLKS HERE WILL REALIZE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO SIGN THIS LEASE TO THE STATE. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE THIS THING. 
          AND I SAY, WE MAKE SOME MAJOR CHANGES ON THIS, AND THEN AGREE TO LEASE IT TO THE STATE AND NOT TO SELL IT TO THE STATE BY ANY MEANS. 
          SO, SIR, I'M SORRY FOR VENTING HERE A LITTLE BIT. 
          I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, I'VE GOTTEN VERY FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PLAN, IT BEING A GOOD THING. 
          AND I MEAN, YOU GO THROUGH THIS BOOK AND YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES. 
          THERE'S BEAUTIFUL PICTURES IN HERE, BUT DO YOU SEE THE WALLS OR FENCES OR BARRIERS? NO, YOU DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE IN THIS BOOK, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE. 
          YOU CAN'T JUST WALK UP TO THIS, TO THESE, UH, FACILITIES AND LOOK AT 'EM THE WAY THEY'RE SHOWN IN THIS BOOK. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE BARRIERS THAT WILL KEEP YOU OUT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING, SIR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN KERRY. 
          COUNCILMAN PALAIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GONNA APPLAUSE FOR ME, CLAYTON. 
          THAT'S, AND I'M, I'M ENVIOUS. 
          NO, DON'T EVEN START WITH ME. 
          . 
          IT DOESN'T COUNT. 
          UH, THE, UM,  I AM. 
          UM, I, I'M PASSIONATE TOO, UH, ABOUT, UH, TWO THINGS. 
          I'M, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THE SPURS. 
          I'M ALSO PASSIONATE ABOUT PROCESS. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO, UH, REMIND EVERYBODY AND STAFF IN PARTICULAR, LORI, I THINK MAYBE I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATING AND I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY. 
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I'VE, I'VE BEEN FRUSTRATING TO, UM, GET WITH ON THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT KEEPING MY HANDS OFF OF THE PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE I THINK THAT THIS PROCESS NEEDED TO PLAY OUT WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE APPOINT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE GOT, UH, LEADERS AND SMART PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER AND HASH OUT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE SENDING IT BACK UP, YOU KNOW, TO US TO MAKE THE TOUGH CALLS. 
          AND WHAT I, WHAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THE PROCESS IS THAT TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE CHERYL AND LORI AND YOU AND YOUR TEAM, YOU GUYS DID A LOT OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS VERY TRANSPARENT BY DOING IT, A LOT OF IT OUT IN THE OPEN. 
          UM, AND THAT IT WAS VERY INEFFICIENT IN THAT. 
          AND THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE UNLIKE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE VERY EFFICIENT, WE TOOK FOREVER TO GET TO THIS POINT BECAUSE YOU HELD MEETING AFTER MEETING, AFTER MEETING, AFTER MEETING, SO THAT YOU CAN GET AS MANY PEOPLE'S EYES ON THIS PLAN AS POSSIBLE AND AS MANY VOICES INVOLVED. 
          I CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER INSTANCE WHERE YOU'VE DONE THAT, UM, WHERE YOU'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND ACTUALLY, UM, PROBABLY HELD 10 TIMES MORE MEETINGS THAN YOU WOULD FOR ANY OTHER ISSUE. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT, WELL, AND I THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY, AND A TESTAMENT TO THE FACT OF HOW SERIOUS AN ISSUE THIS IS FOR, FOR ALL OF YOU GUYS. 
          AND SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING IT THAT SERIOUSNESS. 
          UM, I I WILL COMMENT THAT, UM, I WAS ASKED EARLIER TODAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE ALAMO PLAN? AND MY COMMENT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO SACRED ICONS, SHRINES, UM, EVERYBODY IS AN EXPERT. 
          AND THE HARD PART ABOUT SHRINES, UH, AND ICONS IS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS EXACTLY HOW TO REVERE AND HOW TO PRESERVE AND HOW TO DISPLAY THAT ICON. 
          UM, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION, RIGHT? UM, AND THEY FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT. 
          AND I, I HAVE A FEELING, NO, I DON'T HAVE A FEELING. 
          I KNOW I'M CONFIDENT WHEN I SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT PERMUTATION OF AN ALAMO PLAN THAT YOU'D PUT IN FRONT OF US SOMEWHERE, SOMEONE WOULD BE UPSET ABOUT IT. 
          UM, AND THEY'D HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MEETINGS AND THEY'D HAVE A COMPLAINTS WITH THE PROVENANCE OF THE DESIGNER, UH, AND OR, UH, THE DESIGN ITSELF, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU NAME THE COMPLAINT, I'M SURE THAT YOU'D GET IT. 
          AND I HAVE, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK VERY HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO DISAGREED WITH, UH, THE WAY THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL, UH, WAS DESIGNED AND EXECUTED, RIGHT? UH, OR WITH THE PEOPLE WHO'D EXECUTED OR WITH THE MATERIALS USED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SAME WILL PROBABLY HOLD TRUE FOR THE WORLD WAR II. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OR ANY OTHER WAR MEMORIAL OR FOR THAT MATTER, I BET YOU IF YOU GO BACK IN TIME, YOU'LL PROBABLY FIND THE WRITINGS OF CRITICS, YOU KNOW, TO HOW THEY DESIGNED ST. 
          PETER'S BASILICA IN, IN THE VATICAN. 
          UM, IN FACT, IT'S A SCIENCE. 
          THERE ARE DESIGN SCHOOLS AND ARCHITECTURE SCHOOLS WITH LIBRARIES THAT ARE JUST SPILLING OVER WITH BOOKS OF DESIGNERS AND ARCHITECTS CRITICIZING PLANS, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM OTHER DESIGNERS AND, AND ARCHITECTS. 
          UM, THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S A FULL CONTACT SPORT. 
          COUNCILMAN TREVINO BEING AN ARCHITECT, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS ANOTHER ARCHITECT BEHIND YOU TO TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW OFTEN YOU KNOW, HOW YOU DID IT WRONG. 
          UM, SO I, WITH THAT IN MIND, I'LL TELL YOU, I I'VE BEEN HANDS OFF UNTIL NOW BECAUSE I WANTED THIS PROCESS TO PLAY THROUGH. 
          AND I, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY PRODUCED A REALLY GOOD RESULT FOR US TO START REALLY LOOKING AT THIS AND, AND TALKING ABOUT IT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT TODAY. 
          AND SO, UM, MAYOR, I ALSO GOTTA THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO US TODAY. 
          UH, AND SOONER THAN LATER, I THINK THAT, UM, THE WRONG DECISION WOULD'VE BRING IT, YOU KNOW, UH, NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE'VE HASHED, YOU KNOW, UH, AND REHASHED AND REALLY KICKED AROUND ENOUGH. 
          AND SO, UM, I I, I TAKE THIS, I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY, SO I DO HAVE SOME TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND, AND ANDY SEGOVIA, IF YOU CAN HELP ME, UM, I'M, I'M CONCERNED. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE FIESTA COMMISSION HAS ASKED US TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM, OR THAT THAT CONTRACT IS BEING RENEWED SOMETIME SOON. 
          AND SO MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT AS WE, AS WE DO EXECUTE THIS LEASE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS, THAT WE MAKE SURE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE'S OTHER OBLIGATIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE WITH THE FIESTA COMMISSION, AND THAT OUR ABILITY TO KEEP THOSE OBLIGATIONS NOT BE, UM, SNUFFED OUT BY THE TEXAS CONTRACT. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? NO. 
          NO. 
          IF ANYTHING, IT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT, OKAY. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN THE LEASE. 
          IT DOES SAY THAT WE ARE GONNA WORK WITH, UH, NOT ONLY THE FIESTA COMMISSION, BUT OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT, UH, WE CAN, UH, AS BEST WE CAN PRESERVE THE TRADITIONS OF THE PARADES, 
          [01:35:01]
RECOGNIZING THE, THE NEW FOOTPRINT. 
          OKAY? ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SO THAT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PARTNERS OF OURS, YOU KNOW, UH, KNOW THAT THIS, THAT THERE ARE OBLIGATIONS TO THEM ARE FRONT AND CENTER AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT. 
          AND WE WOULD MAKE SURE, AND ABSOLUTELY, JUST TO REINFORCE YOUR POINT, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER AGREEMENTS WE HAVE WITH THEM ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE UNDER THE LEASE. 
          OKAY? AND THEN, UM, ALSO, ANDY, UH, , THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE STEAM TRAILS BEHIND AIRPLANES, THOSE CONTRARAS THAT THEY'RE SPRINKLING C I A MIND CONTROL DUST ON EVERYBODY. 
          AND, UH, THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES. 
          LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THE GETTYS AND THE ROTHSCHILDS, THE QUEEN AND THE COLONEL SANDERS GET TOGETHER ONCE A YEAR TO CONTROL THE WORLD AT A SECRET PLACE CALLED THE MEADOWS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THESE CABALS OF EVIL INTEREST OUT THERE. 
          I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE AIRPLANE WENT . 
          NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          . 
          UM, AND SO I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THIS ALAMO THING, AND SO LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO UNESCO, UM, HAVE YOU, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE, DO YOU KNOW, UH, WHETHER OR NOT UNESCO CONTROLS THE SITE TODAY? THEY DON'T TODAY, AND THEY WON'T UNDER THE LEASE AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, AND WHEN YOU SAY THEY WON'T, I THINK YOU AND I BOTH AGREE THAT THERE'S NOTHING UNDER THIS LEASE OR ANY OTHER DOCUMENT THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY LET US SIGN THAT IS GONNA LET YOU UNESCO CONTROL HOW WE MANAGE, UH, HOW WE MAINTAIN, HOW WE PERTER, HOW WE PROTECT, HOW WE CELEBRATE, HOW WE REVERE, OR, UM, HOW WE DISPLAY OR HOW WE PRESERVE ANY OF THOSE ASSETS. 
          YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, COUNCILMAN. 
          THERE'S NOTHING I WOULD PUT BEFORE YOU THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WOULD HAVE SUCH A RIDE GIVEN THE UNESCO. 
          SO, NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN THE LEASE, AND IT'S NOT CONCEIVABLY IN ANY OTHER DOCUMENT THAT I'VE SEEN. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, COUNCILMAN TREVINO, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU MET WITH ANY SHADOWY FIGURES AND CABALS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, ANSWERED TO YOUR UNESCO OVERLORDS, UH, ASIDE FROM YOU? YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
           , UH, NOBODY KNOWS. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANKS. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN PLIE. 
          COUNCILMAN K THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I HAD A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND, AND LIKE COUNCILMAN PERRY, I'M NOT SURE WHO MIGHT ANSWER 'EM. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA ASK AND SEE, UM, OUT OF THE HUNDREDS OF MEETINGS, UH, THAT WERE, THAT WERE HELD, UM, WHAT ARE A FEW OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE ACTUALLY ADOPTED AND ADDED TO THE PLAN? CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT CAME OUTTA SOME OF THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS AS NEW IDEAS THAT WERE INCORPORATED? YES, I I CAN, I CAN START SOME OF THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THERE WAS, THERE WAS, FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS THE GLASS WALLS, THOSE, THOSE WERE REMOVED. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS THE, THE TREES, AND SO WE HAVE MORE SHAPE. 
          UH, WE DID TALK ABOUT, UM, PROVIDING MORE, UH, ACCESS POINTS ON SITE. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE INCLUDED AS ANCILLARY POINTS ON SITE. 
          UM, THE SAF RELOCATION WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, OVER OFF OF, UH, MARKET STREET AND IS NOW REMAINING IN THE ALAMO PLAZAS, UH, FIVE BY 500 FEET TO THE SOUTH. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD SAY THERE WAS MAYBE A COUPLE, COUPLE OTHER LITTLE ITEMS. I, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT CHERYL, YOU, YOU COVERED THEM. 
          COUNCILMAN, UM, THE WORK YOU DID WITH THE FIESTA COMMISSION ON ACCOMMODATING THE PARADES AS WELL, UH, AND THE CEREMONIES ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE TRADITIONS THAT HAPPENED THERE AT, AT THE ALAMO. 
          I THINK YOU, YOU COVERED THEM IN, IN CREATING MOST PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY DID WANT US TO CREATE, UH, REVERENCE IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO, THAT THERE WAS, UM, IT, IT WASN'T A REVERENT PLACE AND CERTAINLY WASN'T RESPECTFUL. 
          AND WE HEARD THAT TIME AND AGAIN, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC AS WE, UH, HAD MEETINGS. 
          BUT YOU COVERED THEM. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS A GREAT AMOUNT OF CONTENTION ABOUT THE PARADES. 
          UH, WERE THERE ANY SPECIAL OR PARTICULAR ARRANGEMENTS MADE WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THEIR AGREEING TO MOVE THEIR LOCATIONS? YES, THEY WERE. 
          AND THEY, THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE LED, UH, BY COUNCILMAN TREVINO, AND THEY REACHED CONSENSUS ON MOVING THE PARADE ROUTE AND ACCOMMODATING THE CEREMONIAL LEE WREATH LAYING AT THE ALAMO AS PART OF THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS PARADE. 
          THERE WERE NO OTHER PARTICULAR SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY TO GET THAT DONE. 
          NO. 
          THE, YOU HAVE, UH, WELL, WE KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE WORK TO BE DONE AT THE HEART OF, AT THE HEART OF THIS 
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IS KNOWING THAT, THAT THE, THE PARADES HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC TRADITION. 
          AND IN THAT TRADITION, WE WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, SOME ABILITY TO, TO WORK WITH THEM ON HOW WE CAN HAVE, UH, THAT TRADITION BE ENHANCED. 
          THAT'S WHY WE, WHAT WE'VE CONCEPTUALLY HAVE DRAWN, AND YOU SEE IT IN THE DRAWINGS, IS, IS A CEREMONIAL ACTIVITY ZONE. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GONNA LAY OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DESIGNED WHAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          AND THE AGREEMENT IS WE'RE GONNA SIT DOWN AND WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THAT TOGETHER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          AND I, AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS ORGANIZATION AND ALL THE OTH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT JOINED IN AGREE WITH THAT ASSUMPTION AND WILL BE WORKING WITH US TO REALLY, UH, PUT A FINE POINT ON HOW WE, WE, UH, ESTABLISH THAT AND, AND WORK THAT INTO THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I GUESS I JUST ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I RECEIVED DOZENS AND DOZENS OF LETTERS WHO BELONG FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE BELONGING TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, WHO INSISTED FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME NOT TO MOVE THE PARADE SITES. 
          AND THEN IT SEEMED JUST LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WAS A CHANGE OF DIRECTION, AND IT, IT JUST SURPRISED ME. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, UM, WE'RE WE'RE SAYING THAT WE ARE ALLOCATING AS A CITY $38 MILLION, UH, TOWARD IMPROVEMENTS THAT'LL BE TAKEN ON, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND SOME, SOME OF THAT 21 MILLION OF THAT WAS VOTER APPROVED. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT WERE THE SPECIFICS? I DON'T REMEMBER. 
          WHAT WERE THE SPECIFICS, THE USE FOR THAT BOND MONEY? WAS IT A CERTAIN STREET, A CERTAIN AREA, OR WAS IT JUST OPEN IT? WELL, IT WAS OPEN, UH, TO BE USED IN, UH, THE AREAS THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE RECREATION OF THE PLAZA, AND ANY OF THE WORK ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, REESTABLISHING THE, THE MISSION, THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT. 
          SO, AND THE 17 MILLION AND A CURRENT BUDGET, WHAT WAS THAT EARMARKED FOR? LIKEWISE, THE SAME THING. 
          SAME THING. 
          AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2016 BUDGET THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, APPROVED 17 MILLION TO BE USED FOR TOWARD THE ALAMO. 
          AND IT WAS VERY GENERAL AT THE TIME. 
          IT WAS TOWARDS THE PROJECT. 
          IT'S STILL BEING HELD IN THE BUDGET TO BE USED, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN USED YET. 
          BUT IT WAS APPROVED IN 2016? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, NOW WILL THAT COVER THE COST OF MAKING LA SOYA STREET A TWO-WAY STREET THAT HAS NOT YET, UH, BEEN COSTED OUT, NOR HAVE WE APPROPRIATED WHERE THE CITY DOLLARS WILL GO TOWARD THE PROJECT AT THIS TIME. 
          SO THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED AS, UH, WE'VE SAID THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION AND IN DISCUSSION. 
          THIS IS IN EXCESS OF A $400 MILLION PROJECT. 
          THERE ARE MANY COMPONENTS, AND WE'LL BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO THE COUNCIL AS TO HOW THOSE FUNDS SHOULD BE APPROPRIATED AS THE PROJECT PLANS CONTINUE TO BE DEVELOPED IN MORE DETAILED DESIGN. 
          UH, HOW MIGHT THE IMPACT, UH, UH, WHAT MIGHT BE THE IMPACT ON THE BUSINESSES ALONG THE RIVER, UH, ALONG LA SOYA STREET? I KNOW THAT THEY RELY ON ENOUGH INGRESS, EGRESS DELIVERY, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          I'LL, I'LL ASK LORI TO SPEAK TO THE DETAIL OF THIS, BUT OUR STAFF HAS ALREADY MET WITH, UH, ALMOST ALL OF THE BUSINESSES TO HAVE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS. 
          UH, WE MENTIONED THAT WE WILL NEED TO, UH, DEVELOP A DELIVERY AND SERVICE PLAN FOR THE BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY CONTINUE, UH, TO HAVE ADEQUATE SERVICE. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT, UH, A MORE STANDARDIZED DELIVERY PLAN THAT IS CONSISTENT, UM, DURING TIMES WHEN THERE ISN'T HEAVY TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN, SO THAT, UH, SOME OF THOSE TRUCKS ARE NOT BLOCKING THE ROADWAYS. 
          THOSE ARE DETAILS YET TO BE, UH, DETERMINED. 
          BUT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, LORI, YOU MAY WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS. 
          I DON'T ALMOST THINK NECESS, SIR. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE STEPS TO WORK WITH THEM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT THERE CHANGE IS DIFFICULT. 
          WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN IMPACT, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THOSE BUSINESSES AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          IT'S NOT OVER. 
          THIS IS THE BEGINNING PART OF THAT. 
          COUNCIL COUNSEL. 
          I WOULD JUST ADD THAT OUR, OUR SECOND MEETING WITH THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP IS THIS FRIDAY. 
          SO WE, WE'VE ALREADY MET, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MEET, UM, WE ARE LEARNING A LOT FROM THEM AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE NOT ONLY GONNA CREATE A PLAN FOR LOYA, BUT WE'RE GONNA CREATE A PLAN FOR ALL OF DOWNTOWN. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS ABOUT HELPING, UH, AN ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT'S HAPPENING DOWNTOWN, NOT JUST LOYA STREET, BUT THE STREETS AND THE IMPACT OF THE BUSINESSES AND DELIVERIES, UH, IN THOSE AREAS. 
          SO LA SOYA STREET, UH, REDEVELOPMENT MAY BE PART OF A BIGGER DOWNTOWN PLAN THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? OR THAT'S BEING THOUGHT OF? IT'S PART OF, SO THERE, THERE'S ALREADY AN ONGOING TRAFFIC 
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STUDY WITH, UH, PAY DAWSON. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC ALL OVER DOWNTOWN. 
          LA SOYA IS PART, IS A PIECE OF A MUCH LARGER PICTURE. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT WE'RE LEARNING IS THAT, THAT THE DELIVERY FOLKS, THE STAKEHOLDERS, UM, WORK TOGETHER IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY PROVIDE, THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME INSIGHT ON HOW WE PROVIDE, UH, OR PROCEED WITH, WITH THE DESIGNING OF SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT MAY BE HELPFUL WITH THE DELIVERY OPTIONS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS UP AND DOWN LAS SOYA STREET. 
          BUT IT'S PART OF A MUCH BIGGER PICTURE, AND WE, WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH, AND I THINK THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS, THIS PROCESS. 
          WELL, I GUESS TO, TO CLARIFY IF I MIGHT, SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING A WHOLE NEW PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION, BUT RATHER CONSIDERING LA SOYA IN LIGHT OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT EXISTS, HOW DOES THAT FIT TOGETHER? WHAT OTHER ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE IN THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK? AND ALSO THINKING FUTURISTICALLY. 
          SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE FUTURE? WILL WE HAVE MORE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? WHAT OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE, UH, MORE BICYCLE LANES AND PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY? SO IT'S, LA SOYA IS BEING CONSIDERED IN LIGHT OF THE BIGGER TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT WE HAVE FOR DOWNTOWN OVERLAY ON THAT, THE DELIVERY CONVERSATION. 
          WE DID SOMETHING SIMILAR, GOSH, ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO, EIGHT TO 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS GARBAGE COLLECTION DOWNTOWN, WHICH WAS DONE AT ALL DIFFERENT HOURS OF, UH, THE DAY AND NIGHT. 
          AND, UH, WE WORK TOGETHER TO HAVE THAT DONE MORE CONSISTENTLY TO MAKE IT A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO THOSE WHO VISIT. 
          SO WE'RE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH REGARD TO SERVICE DELIVERY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID HEARING SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE THAT BECAUSE WE CLOSED ALAMO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND X AMOUNT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ADDITIONAL MONEY BESIDES THAT 38 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM BY MAKING LAS SOYA STREET A TWO WAY AND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. 
          MY PRESUMPTION IS THAT THE COST OF TAKING, UH, DOING THINGS WITH LAS SOYA SHOULD COME OUTTA THAT 38 MILLION. 
          AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT GOING TO, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA COST BECAUSE IT'S DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTABLE TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CLOSE DOWN ALAMO STREET. 
          UH, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET SURPRISED, WHICH I, I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN SURPRISED ON A COUPLE OF OTHER OCCASIONS WHEN WE FIND OUT, WELL, IT'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY THIS ADDITIONAL COST THAT, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO COME UP. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I BRING THAT UP. 
          AND, UH, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT THE MONEY THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO REROUTE TRAFFIC AWAY FROM ALAMO PLAZA IS WITHIN THE $38 MILLION THAT WE'VE ALREADY SET ASIDE TO HANDLE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF ALAMO PLAZA. 
          WOULD YOU SAY? IT IS. 
          I THINK THAT IT IS YET TO BE FINALIZED, SO WE HAVE MORE WORK TO DO BEFORE WE COMMIT TO THAT ENTIRELY. 
          AND THEN, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT PLANS TO FUNDRAISE, UH, MORE THAN $200 MILLION TOWARD THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO ALLOCATE HOW THE DOLLARS ARE COMMITTED TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT, BUT THE CITY'S DOLLARS ARE DIRECTED INTO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT OUR MONEY WILL BE USED FOR LA SOYA STREET AND FOR SOME OF THE WORK IN THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT THAT IS WITHIN THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          YEAH, I WOULD EXPECT IT WOULD BE, UH, UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT COVERS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD, BUT ALSO I WANNA, UH, SHARE MY OBSERVATIONS BASED ON TALKING WITH PEOPLE AND HAVING PEOPLE COME AND COMMUNICATE WITH ME. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IN THIS B SESSION, TO HAVE THE COUNCIL SHARE WHAT IT'S, HOW IT'S FEELING, AND WHAT IT'S HEARING ON THESE ISSUES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF RESTORING AND, UH, PROTECTING THE ALAMO CHURCH AND THE LONG BARRACKS. 
          I THINK THAT'S WAY OVERDUE. 
          IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. 
          I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF A MUSEUM TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY OF THE ALAMO AND SAN ANTONIO, YOU KNOW, WHICH ARE TOTALLY INTERTWINED. 
          UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, I LIKE THE PLANS FOR HIS, FOR THE HISTORICAL AND EDUCATIONAL REENACTMENTS. 
          I THINK THOSE ADD A LOT TO ANYONE WHO VISITS. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT EXPANDING THOSE WILL BE VERY GOOD TOO. 
          UM, AND I, I LIKE THE CONCEPT OF RESTORING THE CENTER TAF, BUT NOT ITS RELOCATION. 
          I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY WHERE IT IS. 
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I, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN APPRECIATE, UH, MAKING THE ALAMO PLAZA A PEDESTRIAN PLAZA, ALTHOUGH I'LL MISS THE PARADES MARCHING IN FRONT OF THE CHAPEL, BUT I DON'T APPRECIATE LIMITING OUR CITIZENS' ACCESS TO IT. 
          AND I, I FEEL THAT'S A, A BIG PROBLEM. 
          I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT, UH, THAT FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS, THE ALAMO PLAZA IN THE HEART OF OUR CITY WILL NO LONGER BE MANAGED BY THE PEOPLE AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT RATHER WILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE G L O. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE EXPECT US TO MANAGE THE CITY IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT FEATURE. 
          YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THE COMMITTEES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD THE COMMITTEE'S WISHES. 
          EVERYTHING THEY'VE WISHED TO DO CAN BE DONE WITHOUT CLOSING OFF THE PLAZA. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT CLOSING OFF THE PLAZA OR RELINQUISHING THE PLAZA TO THE STATE, THIS COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE BY ORDINANCE RULES, REGULATIONS, LICENSES, AND PROCESSES THAT CAN RECREATE AND MAINTAIN THE ATMOSPHERE AND SENSE OF REVERENCE AND RESPECT TO THIS HISTORIC BATTLEFIELD. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE IT OFF TO DO THAT. 
          RELOCATING THE SYNTA, TO ME MEANS MOVING THE MONUMENT THAT RECOGNIZES AND SYMBOLIZES THE FALLING, HE FALLEN HEROES OF THE ALAMO FROM THE ACTUAL BLOODSTAIN BATTLEFIELD TO AN AREA AWAY FROM THAT SACRED PLACE. 
          AMEN. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S WARRANTED. 
          UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M NOT VERY INCLINED TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CURRENT REQUEST, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE G L O. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          COUNCILMAN GONZALEZ. 
          UM, I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS, SO LET'S SEE WHO CAN ANSWER. 
          UM, THE FIRST ONE, UH, IS REGARDING THE ALAMO COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, AND THEN THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE PROJECTS WHO CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN OR THIS STRUCTURE? UH, ALL THREE ENTITIES AGREED TO THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT AND DEVELOPED IT AND, UH, CAME UP WITH IT IN 2015. 
          IN 2015. 
          IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OF 2015, AND WAS DEVELOPED COOPERATIVELY BETWEEN THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT, AND THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I, I, I DO REMEMBER VERY MUCH DECIDING ON OR HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT SORT OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE AS A COUNCIL WOULD HAVE MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO REVIEW AND HAVE MULTIPLE EDITS. 
          UH, I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MANY OF US HAVE SEEN THIS PLAN OVER THE YEARS, UH, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, A COUPLE OF ITERATIONS. 
          UM, AND SO WAS IT ALWAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT HAD TWO SEATS. 
          THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE HAD TWO SEATS, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO CHERYL, WERE YOU ALWAYS APPOINTED, OR WAS IT, YOU KNOW, CITY MANAGER, OR WAS IT YOU PERSONALLY, OR, OR, AND WITH COUNCILMAN TINO, WAS IT BECAUSE HE'S DISTRICT ONE COUNCILMAN, OR WERE YOU APPOINTED BY A PREVIOUS MAYOR, OR HOW, HOW DID THAT, UH, I DON'T, I GUESS IVY WAS THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME. 
          WERE YOU APPOINTED BY IVY, OR HOW DID THAT WORK OUT? YES, THAT, YES, BOTH OF US WERE APPOINTED BY, UH, MAYOR TAYLOR AT THE TIME. 
          UH, WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED, UH, WHEN THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT IN OCTOBER OF 2015, UH, THE COUNCILMAN WAS SERVING ON THE CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE BEFORE THAT, AND BEFORE COUNCILMAN TREVINO, COUNCILMAN DIEGO BERNAL AT THE TIME SERVED ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WAS JUST APPROVED IN 2015, WHICH WAS WHEN THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE WAS, UH, APPOINTED. 
          AND I WAS APPOINTED, UH, WITH THE COUNCILMAN TO REPRESENT THE CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE OTHER ARE ALSO APPOINTED POSITIONS BY THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICER, THE COMMISSIONER, GEORGE BUSH? YES. 
          ALL THOSE POSITIONS. 
          THE COMMISSIONER GEORGE P. BUSH APPOINTED HIS REPRESENTATIVES, THE TWO, UH, TO THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND THE ENDOWMENT, AND APPOINTED THERE TO REPRESENTATIVES. 
          AND SO WHEN WAS THE ENDOWMENT CREATED? I DUNNO, WHEN WAS THE ENDOWMENT CREATED? 
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PATTERSON WAS COMMISSIONER, SO YES. 
          THOUSAND, I CAN ADDRESS THAT. 
          THIS IS, YEAH, JEFF GORDON'S WITH THE G L O AND ATTORNEY WITH THE G L O, THE ENDOWMENT WAS CREATED UNDER PRIOR COMMISSIONER JERRY PATTERSON, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, I WANNA SAY ABOUT 2012, UH, UNDER THE STATUTE UNDER AUTHORITY, WHICH ALLOWS US THE AUTHORITY TO CREATE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN THE ENDOWMENT WAS CREATED. 
          AND WAS THAT ALWAYS, I GUESS IT WAS ALWAYS CREATED TO SUPPORT THIS ACTIVITY AT THE ALAMO TO SUPPORT THE GLOS OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT OF THE ALAMO? YES. 
          AND WAS IT ALWAYS 200 MILLION? I MEAN, WAS THE IDEA THAT THEY WOULD ALWAYS RAISE 200 MILLION OR WHAT WAS THE TARGET FOR, I IMAGINE THE ENDOWMENT WAS TO RAISE MONEY FOR A PLAN, BUT THERE WAS NO PLAN AT THE TIME. 
          I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THERE WAS NO PLAN AT THE TIME IT WAS THERE, OR I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT. 
          THE ENDOWMENT HAS WAS IN EXISTENCE LONG BEFORE THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT AND LONG BEFORE THE, THE CITY AND THE STATE AND THE ENDOWMENT GOT TOGETHER, THE 200 MILLION CAME OUT IS CHERYL CAN ADDRESS HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. 
          BUT IT, IT CAME OUT OF DISCUSSIONS, UM, WITH THE ENDOWMENT MEMBERS AS TO WHAT THEY THOUGHT THEIR COMMITMENT WOULD BE. 
          BUT THE ENDOWMENT PRE-EXIST PREDATES THE, THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. 
          WELL, I KNOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY ITERATIONS OF THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, SINCE I THINK, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 40 YEARS, AND NOT OF THIS PLAN, BUT OF A PLAN. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOW WE END UP WITH ULTIMATELY VERY FEW PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT. 
          UM, I MEAN, WHEN DID IT START? WHEN DID, WAS THERE ALWAYS THIS IDEA THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING AT THE ALAMO? THE PLAN TO RESTORE AND RECREATE THE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO BEGAN WITH A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN PLANS IN THE PAST, BUT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY, THE STATE, AND FUNDRAISERS TO HELP SUPPORT THIS EFFORT, THOSE OTHER PLANS, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS OTHER PLANS DIDN'T GET OFF THE GROUND. 
          SO THE 200 MILLION OR MORE, UH, HAS COME ABOUT AS THIS PLAN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS AS THIS PLAN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER. 
          SO I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS CURRENT PLAN HAS BEEN DEVELOPED OVER SINCE THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WAS PUT IN PLACE IN 2015, BUT THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY AN ENDOWMENT THAT WAS TRYING TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE ALAMO. 
          YES, BUT NOT FOR THIS PLAN. 
          THEY WERE CREATED AS JEFF JUST SAID, FOR THE OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT, UM, OF, UH, THE ALAMO. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT, UM, AND I GUESS WHO WAS MA WHO WAS, WHO WAS MANAGING THAT? THE COMMISSIONER OR WHO, UH, THE G L O OWNS THE AMO, THE BUILDINGS, THE CHAPEL, AND THE LONG BARRACKS. 
          WE, WE OWN THE PLAZA IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE AMO SO THAT THEY'VE HAD ALWAYS BEEN TRYING TO RAISE MONEY TO RESTORE THE PHYSICAL. 
          THERE'VE BEEN MANY ATTEMPTS OVER FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS TO, UH, DO SOMETHING AT THE ALAMO TO RESTORE IN A LOT OF HISTORY ON THAT. 
          AND SO THE TIMING IS SUCH THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T UNDER MOST OF US OR SITTING HERE, WERE NOT HERE WHEN THIS WAS CREATED. 
          A FEW OF US WERE, BUT WHEN THIS ALAMO COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WAS CREATED, IT WAS NOT THIS COUNCIL. 
          THERE WAS ONLY ABOUT THREE OF US, I THINK THREE OF US. 
          OH FOUR WAS SALDANA AT THAT TIME, WHO, WHO AGREED TO THIS MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE, UH, ABOUT THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, THIS, THIS CITY COUNCIL EXTENDED THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT A YEAR AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THAT THE STRUCTURE STAYS IN PLACE THROUGH THE COMPLETION OF THE RESTORATION AND THE ALAMO PLAN, AND THIS, THIS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO REGARDING, UH, I, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHO MENTIONED IT. 
          ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN BACK THERE, UM, THERE WAS A MENTION OF AN R F Q, OR MAYBE IT WAS RAVINO WHO MENTIONED IT, OR SOMETHING ABOUT AN R F Q FOR THE BUILDINGS, UH, AND, UM, WHO ISSUES THE R F Q? AND, UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S ALL STATE. 
          WE HAVE REALLY NO SAY IN WHO DEVELOPS IT OR HOW IT GETS DEVELOPED, OR WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT THEY PUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THERE IS SOME HOPE AMONGST US THAT THAT WOULD BE A MUSEUM, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT WILL BE A MUSEUM. 
          SO THE R F Q WAS PUT UP BY THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, AS WE, AS 
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WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF FILTERING THROUGH THE, THE 30 APPLICANTS THAT THAT CAME IN, AND THAT IS GONNA BE REVIEWED BY THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO STATED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO INTENDING TO ENGAGE THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS, AS YOU SAW IN, IN THE CHART WHERE THERE'S 30 MEMBERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, WITH THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. 
          SO THE MUSEUM DESIGN WILL BE, UH, EVALUATED THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE'LL BE, UH, LOOKING TO GET SUPPORT FROM THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          HOLD ON, LET, LET ME GO BACK. 
          SO THE R F Q, UM, YOU SAID THERE WERE 30 PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED TO AN R F Q 30 FIRMS, AND DOES IT SAY THAT IT'S FOR MUSEUM? YES. 
          OR WHAT DOES IT SAY? DOES SAY THAT IT'S FOR MUSEUM, FOR A VISITOR CENTER IN MUSEUM. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND SEE SOME OF THE TOP, BUT, BUT THEN IN SOMEWHERE, AND YOU SAID THAT THAT WAS STILL BEING ANALYZED, I THINK WHEN CLAY ASKED THE QUESTION? WELL, THE, THE BUILDINGS, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO IN OUR, OUR REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, UH, WITH REGARD TO HOW THOSE BUILDINGS, IF THEY CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MUSEUM AND HOW THAT COULD OCCUR. 
          SO THAT R F I, I THINK IT'S AN R F I REQUEST. 
          OH, SO IT MAYBE JUST SAID IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN R F I AND NOT R F Q? NO, NO, THERE ARE TWO. 
          YEAH, THERE'S TWO. 
          SO THE R F Q IS FOR THE MUSEUM, MUSEUM ARCHITECT, AND THEN THE, THE BUILDINGS, I BELIEVE IT'S AN R F P, UH, TO DO THE STUDY OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. 
          AND THAT INFORMATION WILL GO TO THE ARCHITECT THAT'S SELECTED THROUGH THE R F Q PROCESS. 
          SO THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE THINGS, BUT ALL RELATED IN THAT THE, THE BUILDINGS NEED A STUDY AND WE, WE HAVE PUT OUT AN R F P, OR I SHOULD SAY THE GEN GENERAL AND OFFICE HAS PUT OUT AN R F P TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION THAT WE WILL GIVE TO THE ARCHITECTS THAT WOULD BE SELECTED FOR THE MUSEUM DESIGN. 
          I GUESS THIS IS ALSO WHERE I GET CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THOSE BUILDINGS COULD BE USED. 
          IN FACT, WHEN I CAME TO A PRIVATE PRESENTATION, I THINK IT WAS DOUG WHO SAID THE BUILDING COULD NOT BE USED FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS KIND OF EXPRESSED HERE IN ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT THE BUILDINGS DON'T MATCH UP. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, I MEAN, UNLESS THAT'S, YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT THAT AND IT'S STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION, UH, IN FACT, IF THOSE BUILDINGS CAN BE USED FOR THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, UH, IN THAT SPACE. 
          YES. 
          I, I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS THAT THE, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS AND THREE INDEPENDENT STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGE TO HOW THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF AN OVERALL MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER DESIGN. 
          WHAT, WHAT, UH, WE'VE COMMITTED TO IS TO CREATE A STUDY TO PROVIDE ALL THE USEFUL INFORMATION POSSIBLE, AND THEN GIVE THAT TO THE MUSEUM DESIGNERS THAT, THAT CAN THEN FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE THE ELEMENTS OF THOSE BUILDINGS INTO A NEW MUSEUM DESIGN. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A MUCH BIGGER SPACE, MUCH BIGGER BUILDING ALTOGETHER. 
          BUT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE DING FOUR PLATE HEIGHTS DIFFERING MM-HMM. 
          , UH, COLUMN GROUPS. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, UH, WHEN, WHEN, IN THAT PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WHEN, UH, DOUG SAID THAT THAT SPACE COULD NOT BE USED FOR A MUSEUM. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE IT HERE. 
          NOW, AGAIN, PRESENTED POTENTIALLY AS A MUSEUM THAT THERE WAS ALREADY AN R F Q OUT THERE. 
          AND, AND IF WE EVEN HAVE ANY SAY SINCE WE DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT FOR THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT SPACE SINCE WE DON'T OWN IT AND WE DON'T HAVE, WELL, AS PART OF THE PLAN IS, IS TO CREATE A MUSEUM AND SLASH VISITOR CENTER, AND THROUGH THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, WE WILL BE PUSHING, UH, FOR SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS, IS APPROPRIATE AND, AND, UH, AND THOUGHTFUL FOR, FOR OUR CITY. 
          BUT WE, THAT'S WHY WE FEEL THAT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, OF AN R F Q AND AN R F P THAT PROVIDES INFORMATION TO THE, TO THE ARCHITECTS THAT ARE SELECTED, IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF HOW WE, WE CONTINUE THIS ROBUST PROCESS THAT IS, THAT HAS GENERATED, UH, MANY TALENTED PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, UH, TO MOVE, KEEP MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          AND SO WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATION IN TERMS OF THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I STILL DIDN'T GET THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. 
          DO WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHAT GOES IN THAT BUILDING? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS AFTER, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN WHY I MENTIONED THAT THERE'S AN R F Q AND THERE'S A PROCESS BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE NO SAY IN THAT, WHETHER OR NOT IT GETS, I MEAN, UH, WHAT WE'RE TAKING YOUR INPUT TODAY, YOU DO IN 
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THE SENSE TELL US, BECAUSE COUNCILMAN TRAVINO AND I REPRESENT THE CITY AND THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, AND THIS IS WHEN IT, IT'S CALLED A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE STATE AND THE CITY ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS PROJECT. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THIS INPUT AS WE HAVE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS AND REPRESENTING THAT AS MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE, UH, TOWARD THIS. 
          SO WE DON'T OWN THE BUILDINGS, THEY'RE OWNED BY THE STATE, BUT IT IS PART OF THE BIGGER PLAN MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE APPROVAL OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT WE TAKE INPUT AND REPRESENT THAT AS WE SERVE ON THAT COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, RESTORING THE BUILDINGS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, A USE THAT'S FUNCTIONAL. 
          I THINK A MUSEUM SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE, BUT, UM, IF FOR WHATEVER REASON IT CAN'T BE USED AS A MUSEUM, THAT THEY'RE USED FOR SOMETHING RELEVANT TO THE SPACE PERHAPS? WELL, I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEAS. 
          I'M JUST SUGGESTING, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE BUILDINGS STAY WHERE THEY ARE AND BE RESTORED TO SOMETHING. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, UH, SO REGARDING, UH, THE, THE FUNDING, UH, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, LISTED HERE IN THE LAST PAGE, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S 38 MILLION AND THE A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION, UH, FROM THE STATE, AND THEN, SORRY, 68 PAGES HERE. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE END, 200 PLUS FROM THE ENDOWMENT, UH, THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO RAISING. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WOULD RAISE MORE. 
          UM, THAT'S THE HOPE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THIS FUNDING WILL GO? SO WE KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THE OLD WEREWOLF'S BUILDING, AND THOSE THREE BUILDINGS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS, I IMAGINE. 
          OR ARE THEY, OR WHERE, WHERE MIGHT WE ANTICIPATE THIS FUNDING TO GO? WELL, THE CITY'S FUNDING WOULD GO INTO THE LAND AND THE AREAS THAT THE CITY OWNS. 
          AND THE STATE MONEY, 31 MILLION HAS ALREADY BEEN USED TO ACQUIRE THE BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER 20, UH, 75 MILLION THAT WILL GO TOWARD THE RESTORATION AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OVERALL PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS THE PRIVATE MONEY BEING USED FOR THE VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM, AND ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT FUNDING IS INTENDED TO GO TO A VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM REGARDLESS? NOT, NOT EXCLUSIVELY. 
          I MEAN, THE PRIVATE MONEY MAY BE USED FOR ANY ASPECT ON OF THE ALAMO. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY DECISION MAKING AND TO HOW THAT MONEY GETS SPENT, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION ON THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT, OR DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY, DOES THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE CITY HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION ON THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT BOARD? UH, NO, BUT WE DO, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE CITY DOLLARS THAT WILL BE SPENT ON THIS PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE 200 MILLION PLUS OR WHATEVER THEY RAISE, WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE. 
          THE STATE DECIDES HOW ALL THAT GETS SPENT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, I HAVE, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO, UH, ORGANIZE MY QUESTIONS HERE, UM, REGARDING THE LONG-TERM LEASE. 
          UM, WELL, I GUESS IT'S, IT, IT'S RAISING A LOT OF QUESTIONS I HAVE REGARDING THE LONG-TERM LEASE AND OUR REALLY INABILITY TO HAVE MUCH SAY IN WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS SPACE, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE, WHAT APPEARS TO BE VERY LITTLE CONTROL OVER THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, AND IT, UH, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE BUILDINGS. 
          WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SPACE. 
          UM, WE CAN ONLY CONTROL THE STREET AND SOME ACT WE CAN'T, SOME ACTIVITY IN THE PLAZA. 
          UM, AND SO I, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH US, ESPECIALLY EVEN ENTERING IN A LONG-TERM LEASE. 
          IT JUST GIVES UP ALL OF OUR POWER AND TO HAVE ANY DECISION MAKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS VERY PUBLIC SPACE THAT, UH, HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME. 
          AND I'M VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A BATTLE HERE, UH, AND THAT PEOPLE, UM, HAVE A MYTH ABOUT THAT BATTLE AND THAT IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PART OF TEXAS HISTORY. 
          BUT THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER PART OF TEXAS HISTORY THAT MANY OF US ARE JUST LEARNING ABOUT. 
          I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT GIVES US A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE STORY THAT I HAVE NEVER KNOWN, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE FACT THAT, SO WE HAVE TO GIVE UP SO MUCH, UH, IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS PLAZA REALLY 
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WHAT WE ALL, UH, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE, WHICH IS A WELCOMING OPEN SPACE, UM, FOR, UH, ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS. 
          AND, AND, AND WE'RE SEEM TO BE FOCUSING EXCLUSIVELY ON THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT WHAT WE HEAR A LOT IS THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, 95% OF THE PEOPLE THAT GO ARE VISITORS AND SO THAT WE SHOULD BE CATERING TO THOSE VISITORS. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY THOSE OF US, UM, THAT, UH, HAVE, UH, LIVED HERE OUR WHOLE LIVES DON'T GO, IS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD REALLY THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT OUR HISTORY. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS AS WE'RE EVOLVING. 
          BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANY SAFEGUARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES. 
          SO CAN YOU GIVE ME ANY ASSURANCE THAT THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE'RE NOT LIKE SELLING THE FARM IN THIS AGREEMENT? WELL, I, I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS REALLY TO DISPLAY, EXPLAIN, EDUCATE EVERYONE WHO GOES TO THE ALAMO ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HISTORY, THE BATTLE OF 1836, BUT THE ENTIRE 300 YEARS OF HISTORY AND THE LAYERS OF HISTORY. 
          AND SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS PROJECT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE WELCOMED AT THE LOCATION, BUT ALSO TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO AND EXPERIENCE THAT, AND IT TODAY, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT THAT WAY. 
          UM, KIND OF GO THERE AND WONDER WHERE YOU GO AS, UM, LIONEL SOA SAID EARLIER, YOU AREN'T SURE WHERE YOU ARE. 
          IS THAT IT? AND YOU WALK AWAY AND YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES THERE. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT, UM, AN EXPERIENCE. 
          AND IT WAS SAID EARLIER, WHEN YOU GO TO THE ALAMO, UH, DURING MUSEUM HOURS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MUSEUM TO GET ONTO THE PLAZA. 
          ANYONE WHO LIVES HERE CAN GO ONTO THE PLAZA AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY. 
          BUT WE WANT IT TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE THAT IS RESPECTFUL OF THE ENTIRE 300 YEARS OF ITS HISTORY. 
          AND THAT IS, IN ESSENCE, ITS PURPOSE RESTORATION OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE TO ENSURE THEIR CONTINUED EXISTENCE AND TO CREATE THAT EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO, UM, LET, LET ME GET AGAIN TO ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE I FEEL A, UH, SOME CONFUSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THE PLAZA OPEN? IS THE PLAZA CLOSED, THAT THERE'S A MUSEUM AND THERE'S THE MAIN INTEREST AND THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLED ACCESS AND THERE'S NOT CONTROLLED. 
          SO I, I STILL, I, I JUST WANNA START SORT OF FROM THE BEGINNING ABOUT THAT, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HERE YOU'RE SHOWING IT'S OPEN 24 7 AND THERE'S A PLAZA, BUT YET WE SEE, SEEM TO UNDERSTAND STILL THAT THERE'S A MUSEUM ONLY DURING MUSEUM HOURS. 
          SO COULD, UM, UH, SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN, UM, WHY THERE IS A MAIN ENTRANCE AND THEN WHAT IS, AND IF THERE'S A MAIN ENTRANCE AND IT'S ONLY AVAILABLE DURING HOURS, WHAT, JUST EXPLAIN IT AGAIN, BECAUSE I FEEL VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT WHAT THAT, HOW THAT LOOKS. 
          SO DEMI, UH, I THINK AT THE HEART OF THIS IS, UH, CAN YOU SHOW IT ON THE PLAN ON THIS? I CAN, UH, LIKE WHAT SCREEN IS IT? UM, IF WE CAN PULL IT UP, I THINK WE CAN MAYBE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST WALK UP. 
          SO YOU, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE, THE FORMAL ENTRY OF THE SITE. 
          WELL, HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT SHOW ME THE INFORMAL ENTRIES OF THE SITES? OKAY, WE CAN GO TO THAT SLIDE, THAT SLIDE. 
          BUT FIRST I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE HEART OF THIS, THIS ENTIRE DESIGN IS REFERENCING THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. 
          AND, AND I FOUND THIS DOCUMENT FROM AUGUST 26TH, 2014. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO KIND OF PEEL BACK A LITTLE BIT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AS, AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PART OF PAGE TWO, AND IT SAYS, DEVELOP A STRATEGY TO ORIENT VISITORS TO THE STORIES AND CONTEXT BEFORE THEY EXPERIENCE THE ALAMO COMPOUND, PROVIDE INFORMATION AND SERVICES TO FACILITATE THE VISITOR EXPERIENCE. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE EXPERIENCE ALTOGETHER. 
          UM, AND IF WE CAN GET TO, ARE YOU OH, OKAY. 
          UM, ON, ON 56. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, IT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET. 
          56, 56, 58. 
          58. 
          SO THIS, THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE THE POROSITY, UH, DURING NON-USE MUSEUM HOURS. 
          AND IT JUST SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE, IS AGAIN, WE'VE EXPANDED THE CLOSET ON INTO TO, UH, DOWN ALAMO STREETS. 
          YOU HAVE THIS ENTIRE SPACE. 
          AND SO WE KNOW IS THE ENTIRE SITE ITSELF IS ACCESSIBLE FROM NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST. 
          UH, WE POINTED OUT, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS HOUSTON STREET. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S, OKAY, 
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JUST ANSWER ME THIS QUE THE, THE BROWN LINES, ARE THOSE STREETS, OR WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THOSE, THESE LINES ARE JUST GRAPHIC TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, THAT THIS IS KIND OF A, THE, THE FLOW. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE NORTH SOUTH, THIS IS EAST WEST. 
          AND SO THE, THE BLACK LINES ARE JUST DEMONSTRATING POTENTIAL ACCESS POINTS THROUGHOUT THE SITE. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, UH, COMPLETELY DESIGNED JUST YET, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, THERE, THERE MIGHT, THERE WOULD, THOSE WOULD BE SOME ACCESS POINTS ON SITE. 
          SO, SO IF YOU WERE JUST WALKING, UH, DOWN, UM, UH, I GUESS IT'S ALAMO STREET. 
          YES. 
          WHERE'S ALAMO STREET IN THIS SCENARIO? THIS, THIS ESSENTIALLY IS ALAMO STREET RIGHT HERE LIKE THIS. 
          UH, AND SO IF YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO TO EVENTS AT THE ALAMO, LIKE WE'RE MEETING IN AL PLAZA AND WE COME HERE FROM CITY HALL AND SAY, WE JUST WANTED TO, UM, MEET A FRIEND FOR LUNCH. 
          YES, WE TOOK OUR SACK LUNCH. 
          WE WANTED TO JUST GO AND HAVE LUNCH IN THE CLOSET. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE LUNCH, AND LET'S SAY YOU'RE COMING FROM CITY HALL, YOU COULD, YOU COULD ACCESS, YOU'D COME DOWN LA SOYA, MAYBE COME THROUGH THIS, CUT THROUGH HERE, AND THEN HERE'S YOUR, YOUR ACCESS POINT READY. 
          BUT IT'S SO, SO, UH, BUT IS IT LIKE, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT? IS IT JUST AN OPENING? IS IT A GATE? IS IT LIKE, HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THOSE SPOTS? WHAT, WHAT WE WERE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS ORIENT PEOPLE TO THE SITE. 
          AND, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS HELPING TO GUIDE THEM AS, AS THEY'RE WALKING INTO THE SITE. 
          THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED, LET'S SAY YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE SHOW YOU TO WALK IN THIS WAY, THERE'D BE, THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE SOME, SOME, UH, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT YOU INTO THIS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GET ONTO THE SITE, YOU'D GO THROUGH, THROUGH THE CROCKETT BUILDING WHAT IS, WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE CROCKETT BUILDING ONTO THE SITE. 
          IF YOU'RE COMING FROM, FROM THE SOUTH, YOU'D, YOU'D WALK UP, DOWN ALAMO STREET AND TOWARDS THE CROCKETT BUILDING. 
          NOW, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF THE CROCKETT BUILDING IS A 24 7 ACCESS. 
          THAT IS AN, THAT IS A, AN ACCESS ROUTE THROUGH. 
          BUT CAN YOU GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE PLAZA? SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET TO, FROM, FROM THE CROCKETT BUILDING, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT FORMAL ENTRY INTO THE PLA INTO THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT, THE REST OF THE PLAZA, WHICH WE'RE ALSO COUNTING AS THIS. 
          AND THESE AREAS ARE ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOT, YOU CAN'T JUST COME IN THROUGH ANY OF THE OTHER ACCESS POINTS, NOT DURING MUSEUM HOURS. 
          SO FROM NINE TO SIX, WE'RE COUNTING AS MUSEUM HOURS, UH, OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS. 
          THIS IS HOW THE SITE, SO, SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T COME IN DURING THESE ACCESS POINTS DURING, UM, MUSEUM HOURS, UM, YOU HAVE TO ENTER, OH, NO, I'M SORRY, DURING NON-BUSINESS HOURS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ACCESS POINTS ARE OPEN DURING NON-US MUSEUM HOURS OR DURING MUSEUM HOURS, NON NON MUSEUM HOURS. 
          THIS, THIS DIAGRAM IS, IS NON-US MUSEUM HOURS. 
          SO LET'S SAY, UH, SOMEBODY IS, OKAY, WHEN MUSEUM IS CLOSED, WALKING TO WORK BEFORE 9:00 AM UHHUH , THIS IS ALL OPEN AFTER 6:00 PM IT'S ALL OPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE GO TO, THE PREVIOUS LINE IS CLOSED, AND SO THIS IS DURING MUSEUM HOURS. 
          THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE, THE FORMAL ENTRY. 
          CAN, THIS IS, SO THE MUSEUM LOCATED HERE, OKAY, WE'RE ABOUT WHERE THE CROCKETT BUILDING IS. 
          THAT WOULD BE THE FORMAL ENTRY INTO THE MISSION, HISTORIC FOOTPRINT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT CLARIFIES WHAT I WAS AFTER, WHICH, YOU KNOW, NOT WILD ABOUT THAT IDEA. 
          I, I DON'T THINK, UM, YEAH, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY WHAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN ARGUING AGAINST THIS WHOLE TIME. 
          UM, OR AT LEAST WHAT, WHAT I HAVE FELT LIKE IS JUST NOT NECESSARY. 
          UM, THERE'S LOTS OF PARTS OF THE PLAN THAT I DO LIKE, UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST NOT NECESSARY. 
          UH, AND, UH, I MEAN, I JUST, I'VE, I'VE BEEN SEEING DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT ALMOST GIVES NO INFORMATION. 
          UH, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE AS WE'VE GONE ON AND ON, THE INFORMATION GETS LESS AND LESS CLEAR. 
          AND SO THAT ALSO GIVES ME TREMENDOUS PAUSE, UM, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE AS WE START TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, THE INFORMATION GETS MORE AND MORE VAGUE. 
          AND SO I AM, I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE FIRST ITERATION CAME OUT, EVERYBODY WAS IN AN UPROAR. 
          AND SO THEN AS WE'VE GONE ON AND ON, THERE'S LESS AND LESS INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT SHOULD BE LIKE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOW WE'RE DOWN TO JUST A COUPLE OF REALLY COOL PHOTOS, UH, OF, OF LOVELY PEOPLE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST PHOTOS, UM, AND NO REAL PICTURES 
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OF WHAT IT ULTIMATELY IS LOOKING LIKE. 
          AND SO IT'S, I, I, I'M, I'M, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, I, I, AS IF WE GO ALONG, I FEEL LESS CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS, UH, ABOUT THIS PLAN. 
          UM, SO I, UH, I, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UM, ABOUT IT. 
          UH, I GUESS WE'VE GOT ANOTHER WEEK OR SO TO CONTINUE TO, UM, FEEL COMFORTABLE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, UH, LET ME JUST SEE IF I GET ANY MORE OF MY QUESTIONS, UM, ASKED AS WE ARE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING. 
          I KNOW THIS IS A PLACE TO ASK ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. 
          UH, UM, AND SO I THINK, UH, I, I THINK I GOT 'EM. 
          UM, I THINK I GOT MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ASKED. 
          UH, AND COUNCILMAN, I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO MENTION, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW, UH, WE HAVE A, WE'VE BEEN DOING TOURS OF THE SITE TO, TO KIND OF GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE VIEWPOINTS BECAUSE, UH, WHILE THESE RENDERINGS DO SEEM LIKE PICTURES, THEY'RE JUST, THAT THEY'RE RENDERINGS. 
          AND, UH, IT'S BEEN HELPFUL, UH, TO, TO GO OUT ON THE SITE, TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE THE PROXIMITY OF THINGS AND TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THEY LAY OUT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK I GOT MOST OF MY QUESTIONS THERE THAT I HAD, UH, REGARDING, UM, THE PLAN. 
          THANK YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN GONZALEZ, COUNCILWOMAN IRAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I DO, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LEASE. 
          UM, SO, AND I AM NOT A LEGAL EXPERT AND I WILL NOT PLAY ONE ON TV. 
          SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BASIC QUESTIONS HERE OF CLARIFICATION. 
          UH, FOR THIS, UM, BEFORE I GO INTO MY QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO, UH, NUMBER ONE, THANK ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY. 
          THIS IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THIS, THROUGH THIS, UM, LONG HOURS, LOTS OF CONVERSATION. 
          UM, AND I WANNA THANK THEM SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, PATRICIA MEJIA, UH, MARCELO MARTINEZ, AND, UM, UH, RAMON VASQUEZ, WHO REALLY ADDED A LOT OF INFORMATION TO THESE, THE C A C, AND REALLY GAVE SOME GREAT INPUT. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN IN, IN CONVERSATION, UM, COMPLETELY WITH MY MEMBERS. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR, TO THEM, THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO, WHO HAS REALLY TAKEN THIS, NOT JUST PASSION, BUT PERSONALLY AS WELL. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I DO WANNA THANK THE MAYOR FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD IN A, IN A, AS MENTIONED, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          UM, CHERYL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. 
          AND I DO WANNA THANK, UM, THE CHAIRMAN, UH, POWELL, WHO'S ALSO BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LOT. 
          AND LORI, FOR YOUR TIME AND, AND EVERYONE'S TIME AND EFFORT ON THIS. 
          AND ALL OF THE CITIZENS WHO HAVE BEEN TO PUBLIC MEETINGS, WHO HAVE BEEN TO CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, WHO HAVE, UM, BEEN ON THE, THE TRAVEL CIRCUIT. 
          I GUESS TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH OUR ALAMO, BECAUSE JUST THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT TOPIC HERE, AND I WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR DILIGENCE BECAUSE, UM, THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS, THE GRAVITY OF THIS IS NOT, UH, TAKEN LIGHTLY. 
          THIS IS A SIGNIFICANCE OF TELLING THE STORIES OF THE AMERICAS, NOT JUST THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO, NOT JUST THE STORY OF TEXAS, AND NOT JUST THE STORY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          THIS IS TELLING THE STORY OF THE AMERICAS. 
          SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE DOING AND GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS. 
          AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK, I KNOW, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO, CHERYL AND I VISITED, UM, SOME, A WORLD HERITAGE SITE, AND YOU ALL VISITED GETTYSBURG BEFORE ALL OF THIS WAS EVEN TAKEN PLACE TO SEE THE, UM, DEEP, THE SACREDNESS AND THE REVERENCE, BUT ALSO THE CONTROL THAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT WORLD HERITAGE SITE OF PHILADELPHIA, WHEN WE WENT THERE TO INDEPENDENCE HALL WITH THE LAND COMMISSIONER AND WITH OTHERS TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND THE FENCED OFF THERE, AND THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TOURS. 
          AND THERE IS MANAGED TOURS THAT GOES THROUGH THAT WORLD HERITAGE SITE THERE. 
          SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, AND, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR MY COLLEAGUES, UM, QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANCE BOATS THAT WE WILL EVER ENTER, ENTER INTO AS A COUNCIL, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY. 
          AND SINCE 2014, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE BEEN TAKING THIS LIGHTLY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TAKING THIS LONG AS IT SHOULD. 
          AND I HAVE TO SAY TO MY, UM, I HAD TO SAY THIS, I WASN'T SURE, BUT I, I AM TO COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY, UM, YOU KNOW, MY PEOPLE, MY FAMILY STORY AND 
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THE STORY OF THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN MANAGED FOR TO TOO LONG BECAUSE IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN TOLD IN THAT ALAMO AND IN THAT MISSION FOOTPRINT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IS WRONG. 
          SO TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THIS MISSION FOOTPRINT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          AND SO TO THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN, UM, BROUGHT FORWARD TO US TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY OWNS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, UM, CAN YOU SHOW US SLIDE NUMBER THREE? UM, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CONTEXT FOR ME, WHEN LOOKING AT THE LEASE, THE STATE, ALL THE PROPERTY THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS ALREADY OWNS RIGHT NOW, AND THE PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO OWNS, THAT WE ARE ENTERING INTO THIS LEASE AGREEMENT. 
          SO MY FIRST QUESTION TO YOU, UM, UH, ANDY IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE TERM, THE LEASE OF THE TERMS, IN THE LEASE OF THE TERMS, IT SAYS THAT G L O MAY AUTOMATICALLY RENEW THIS LEASE FOR TWO ADDITIONAL 25 YEAR TERMS. WHAT WOULD, UM, NOT ENACT THAT AUTOMATIC 25 YEAR RENEWED OF A LEASE? IF, IF, UH, IF THE G L O DETERMINES THEY DON'T WANNA RENEW THE LEASE, THAT WOULD PROVIDE US NOTICE COUNCILWOMAN, SO THEREFORE IT WOULD END AT THE 50. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ALSO IN SECTION, UM, IN SECTION 15, I GUESS 14, AND LET'S GO TO 15 FIRST 15, OKAY. 
          THE DEFAULT IN REMEDIES. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO IF THE DEFAULT IN REMEDIES, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COMP PLAN, THIS, THIS INTERPRETIVE PLAN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IF THEY DO NOT, UM, EXECUTE THIS TO WHAT WE ARE AGREEING, WHAT IF WE'RE CONCEPTUALLY AGREEING TO, AND THE CITY, ONE OF THE PARTIES ENTERING INTO THIS LEASE AGREEMENT SAYS YOU'RE NOT HOLDING UP YOUR END OF THE BARGAIN, THEN CAN WE, UH, TERMINATE THE LEASE AS WELL? THERE'S A LOT OF HURDLES, BUT THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES. 
          AND TO USE AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE G L O STARTS BUILDING AN AMUSEMENT PARK FOR EXAGGERATION, YES, ABSOLUTELY, WE'D BE ABLE TO TERMINATE THE LEASE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT WITH THE ALAMO, UH, PLAN. 
          AND SO, TWO, ONE OF COUNCIL MEMBER GONZALEZ'S CONCERNS FOR THE NUMBER 11 DISPUTE RESOLUTION, IT SAYS DURING THE TERM OF THE LEASE, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND WHO IS THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, THE SIX REPRESENTATIVES OF THE THREE AGENCIES, WHICH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, THE CITY, AND, UH, THE G L O. 
          SO IT WOULD BE, BUT NO LESS THAN ANNUALLY, Y'ALL WOULD MEET, AT LEAST ANNUALLY TO REVIEW THE FOLLOWING, REVIEW AND MONITOR THE PROJECT, THE PROGRESS OF THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, AND DISCUSS OTHER STRATEGIC ISSUES THAT MAY REQUIRE COORDINATION AND, UM, THE, THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO THERE'S STILL THAT MEETING THAT WILL HAPPEN THAT THE CITY WILL CONTINUALLY PLAY A PART IN? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          IN FACT, THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE CONTINUES THROUGH THE COMPLETION OF THE ALAMO PLAN MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WHICH IS TO BE DONE AS WE SAID BY 2024, AND THEN WOULD MEET AT LEAST ANNUALLY. 
          AND AT LEAST ANNUALLY, THEY CAN MEET MORE OFTEN, OFTEN CONS, OFTEN, IF THAT IS WHAT'S REQUIRED. 
          UH, I HAVE FOUND MY EXPERIENCE, IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S LONG TERM AND INVOLVING, UH, A MAJOR COMPLEX PROJECT LIKE THIS, IF YOU BUILD IN A DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESS THAT HAS THE PARTIES MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS AND IDENTIFYING ISSUES AS THEY COME UP IN WHICH DON'T ALLOW THEM TO FESTER, BECOME EVEN BIGGER PROBLEMS, UH, THAT, THAT SEEMS TO WORK WELL ON AN AGREEMENT OF THIS TYPE, WHICH AGAIN, IS A VERY LONG-TERM AGREEMENT AND HAS A LOT OF ISSUES, FRANKLY, THAT THAT GROUP PROBABLY WILL BE NOT BE DEALING WITH THAT WE ENVISION TODAY. 
          UH, BUT IT'S SET UP SO THAT THERE'S CONSTANT COMMUNICATION AND IDENTIFICATION OF ISSUES SO THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE CAN FOCUS ON 'EM TO GET 'EM RESOLVED BEFORE THEY BECOME SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC. 
          AND EVEN ENTERING INTO THIS LEASE AGREEMENT HERE, THE CITY IS NOT BEING DIVORCED OF THEIR PARTICIPATION IN WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE BUILT THAT IN, I WOULD SAY, AND TO THE LEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, UNDER SECTION SEVEN, THE CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, CONCERNING EASEMENTS, DEDICATION, ZONING, AND RESTRICTIONS OF THE PREMISES AS FOLLOWS. 
          SO THEN THE CITY WILL EXECUTE ALL THE DOCUMENTATIONS, PETITIONS, REZONING, HISTORICAL APPLICATIONS. 
          SO THAT, HOW I INTERPRET THAT MM-HMM. 
           IS IF WE ARE DOING, UM, EXCAVATIONS, IF WE ARE DOING ARCHEOLOGICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGS, RIGHT? IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS, UM, IN AND AROUND THE AREA, THAT 
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THE CITY IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE THE ONE INITIATING THE PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          SO WE WILL STILL BE IN THE LOOP IN EVERYTHING FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          YES, FOR SURE. 
          BE SO JUST FOR THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT WILL, IF THEY'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES, MEANING THE STATE, THEY'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UM, PERMITTING AND THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, IF THEY'RE DOING, UH, EVEN DIGS ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT WOULD DE THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED BASED ON WHAT PROJECT THEY'RE UNDERTAKING OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT, WHAT APPLICABLE LAWS OR CODES WOULD APPLY TO THAT COUNCILMAN. 
          SO WHAT DO THESE LAWS AND CODES OF THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION AND THE ANTIQUITY CODES WOULD, DO THEY APPLY TO THE STATE OF TEXAS? WE HAVE, WE HAVE STATED THAT FOR SURE THE ANTIQUITIES CODE DOES. 
          AND THEN I, I DON'T KNOW IF JEFF, YOU WANNA HELP WITH THAT ONE? CERTAINLY DISRESPECT OUR PROPERTY. 
          WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, SUBJECT TO THE STATE ANTIQUITIES CODE AND WE WORK WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION ALL THE TIME WHEN WE DO PROJECTS AT THE ALAMO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE MANAGEMENT AND USE OF PREMISES YES. 
          FOR THE, UM, THE CITY PROPERTY UNDER B IT TALKS ABOUT HOW, UM, THE HIGH QUALITY OF PROGRAMMING AND SERVICES THAT ENHANCES THE HISTORIC AND CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE SITE G L O WILL USE ITS BEST EFFORTS TO TELL THE FULL STORY OF TEXAS REVOLUTION AND THE BATTLE OF THE ALAMO, THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE ALAMO AND THE WORK TRADITIONAL GROUPS THAT HAVE HISTORICAL CULTURAL TIES. 
          CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE, UM, WHY USING THE TERM, UH, USE ITS BEST EFFORTS? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN, THAT'S A, UH, A PRETTY COMMON CONTRACTUAL STANDARD WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, A OBLIGATION THAT ISN'T, UM, CAN'T BE COUNTED. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IN WORDS, THERE'S NO OBJECTIVE CRITERIA. 
          UM, WHAT IT, IT'S A VERY HIGH STANDARD, IT'S BEYOND REASONABLE. 
          UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEYOND TRYING, IT'S BEYOND JUST SIMPLY TRYING. 
          UH, AND IT MEANS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY AND THAT WE CAN QUESTION IF IT ISN'T, IF THERE AREN'T, IF AREN'T, IF THEY AREN'T EXERCISING BEST EFFORTS TO TELL THE WHOLE STORY, UH, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, CALL 'EM THE TASK TO THAT. 
          THE REASON IT'S FOR, IT SAYS BEST EFFORTS THOUGH, IS THAT, UH, AGAIN, ON A PROVISION LIKE, LIKE THIS, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT WITH RESPECT TO THE G L O IS SOMEBODY SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, WELL, YOU NEED TO BUILD A SECOND OR THIRD MUSEUM TO BUILD TO COMPLETELY TELL THE WHOLE STORY. 
          SO TO GUARD AGAINST THAT, WE INCLUDED THAT BEST EFFORTS, WHICH AGAIN, IS A STANDARD IN WHICH IT'S A HIGH STANDARD, BUT IT ALSO PROTECTS THEM FROM THAT ARGUMENT TO SAY, WELL, YOU NEED TO BUILD A SECOND OR THIRD MUSEUM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION ONE, I, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING IN THIS LEASE, UM, BECAUSE ACCESS, UM, AT FREE FLOW ACCESS, I GUESS I'LL SAY IN AND AROUND, UH, THE MISSION FOOTPRINT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS VERY NECESSARY. 
          UM, AND I THINK I REALLY DO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING IN THERE ALL OF THESE LIST OF DAYS ALREADY THAT WE ALREADY KNOW THESE ARE OUR NEGOTIATING DAYS THAT WE KNOW WE MUST HAVE AT LEAST THOSE THREE AND MAYBE MORE, UM, OPEN IF THE, THE, UM, THE CROWD, THE FOOT TRAFFIC IS REALLY BIG. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT RIGHT THERE, AND KNOWING THAT, UM, YOUR AIM IS TO HAVE A TARGET WITH LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES OF AWAITING TIME, THAT THAT'S IN THE LEAST AS WELL. 
          SO, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE BEST EFFORT OF THE G L O AND EVERYONE WHO'S MANAGING THE AREA. 
          THE MISSION WILL HAVE THAT, UM, WORKING TOWARDS THAT, WHICH I THINK IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. 
          HERE ON, UH, NUMBER 14, ASSIGNMENT AND SUBLETTING, THE G L O SHALL NOT ASSIGN THE LEASE TO ANY THIRD PARTY EXCEPT THE G L O MAY ASSIGN SPECIFIC RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE LEASE TO THE ALAMO ENDOWMENT, ALAMO TRUST. 
          WHEN WOULD THEY DO THAT? UM, FOR, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF REASONS TO DO THAT IF YOU ALL HAVE ONE. 
          YEAH, I'M GONNA ASK JEFF TO HELP ME ON THAT ONE AGAIN. 
          ALAMO ALAMO TRUST INC. 
          IS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION, WHICH CURRENTLY MANAGES THE ALAMO UNDER AN AGREEMENT WITH THE G L O MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO, UM, WHEN WE, WHEN, FOR INSTANCE, PORTIONS OF THE, THE LEASE TERMS KICK IN, IT MAY THEN BE APPROPRIATE FOR US SINCE THE ALAMO TRUST IS ALREADY MANAGING THE ALAMO GROUNDS FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS TO THEN ASSUME RESPONSIBILITIES OVER PORTIONS OF THE PLAZA AND THINGS LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, WE'D CERTAINLY COORDINATE WITH THE CITY, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH EXTRA HOOPS WHEN WE BASICALLY WOULD BE EXTENDING THE, 
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THE, THE MANAGEMENT CONTROL THAT THE ALAMO TRUST ALREADY HAS OVER THE ALAMO GROUNDS TO NEWLY LEASED PROPERTY. 
          SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, AND I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE, UM, YOU AND YOUR WHOM, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE TEXAS ANTIQUITY CODE, AND IT'S SOME QUESTIONS FROM OUR, UM, SOME OF OUR C A C MEMBERS TO SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE PERMIT FOR THE ANTIQUITIES CODE. 
          THE PERMIT REQUIRES SIGNATURES OF THE LANDOWNER SPONSOR AND PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, WHO WILL THAT BE? THE, UH, PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR WILL BE, UH, DETERMINED BY THE ARCHEOLOGICAL FIRM THAT, UH, IS SELECTED FOR ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          UH, SO THAT WILL BE AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCILWOMAN AND THEN THE, THE SPONSOR THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. 
          BUT THE OWNER WOULD BE THE CITY FOR CITY OWNED, UH, PROPERTIES AND STATE ON THE OTHERS? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, OKAY. 
          AND WHO WILL DEVELOP THE RESEARCH DESIGN THAT INCLUDES SCOPE OF WORK AND THE METHODOLOGY? I WOULD, DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE G L O WOULD, WE'D BE FUNDING THE ARCHEOLOGICAL PROJECT. 
          I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD WORK AND GET THEIR, OUR, THEIR EXPERTISE TO, TO, UH, ASSIST US IN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD YOU ALL, UM, STILL GET, SEEK THE ADVICE FROM, AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE LEASE, THOSE, UM, EXPERTS OR GROUPS WITH THE HISTORICAL AND THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AREA AS WELL? I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANOTHER, UH, POINT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BURIAL GROUNDS, AND YOU HAVE TWO OF THEM MARKED OUT ON THE ALAMO PLAN BOOK. 
          AND, UM, SOME OF THE, THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN TOO IS ABOUT THAT THERE'S ORAL HISTORY AND ARCHIVAL RECORDS THAT, THAT MAY, THERE MAY BE MANY MORE UNMARKED BURIALS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOUND YET. 
          IF WE WERE TO HAPPEN UPON THOSE THAN WHAT WILL THE PROCESS PROCEDURE BE? YEAH, I'M GONNA ASK DOUG MCDONALD TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          SO WE'RE STARTING IN, UH, UH, ACTUALLY IN NOVEMBER WE'LL BE STARTING THE CHURCH RESTORATION. 
          AND THERE ARE A LOT OF BURIALS WE KNOW INSIDE THE CHURCH AND OUT ALL AROUND THAT. 
          SO WE ARE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THIS EVEN TODAY. 
          AND BEFORE WE EVEN START ANY WORK WHATSOEVER, WE'RE GOING TO WRITE OUT AND PRODUCE FOR EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT IT, A SPECIFIC SET OF PROTOCOLS THAT'LL CALL FOR WHAT WE THINK ARE THE MOST LIKELY CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          BUT FOR INSTANCE, WE WILL TAKE AND, AND REMOVE THE, THE STONE THAT'S ON TOP AND THE NEXT LAYER UNDERNEATH THAT. 
          AND THEN WE JUST GROUND PENETRATING RADAR. 
          AND YOU CAN PRETTY WELL TELL IF GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA FIND WHAT THEY CALL ARCHEOLOGISTS CALL ANOMALIES. 
          AND THE ANOMALIES ARE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A BARREL THERE. 
          AND IN ANY CASE, WHERE IN, IN EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU'LL ACTUALLY MOVE AND DO THE WORK SOME OTHER PLACE AND TRY AND AVOID THAT. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE, AND THEN THE PROTOCOLS WILL KICK IN PLACE AND THOSE WILL ALL BE ESTABLISHED AND WORKED THROUGH WITH, WITH LOCAL GROUPS AND FRIENDS AND PEOPLE WHO JUST HAVE A, HAVE AN INTEREST. 
          WE'RE GONNA SHARE ALL THOSE WITH THEM. 
          UH, THERE'S SEVERAL MEMBER CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHO'VE SAID THEY WANT TO GET COPIES OF ALL THE APPLICATIONS. 
          SO I'VE COMMITTED THEM. 
          WE'LL SEND YOU EVERY APPLICATION FOR EVERY PERMIT WE ISSUE SO YOU CAN REVIEW THAT. 
          UM, AND THOSE WILL ALL GO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION IN ALL PROCESS. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY COMMITTED TO THIS ALL TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS THAT WE WANT HIDE. 
          WE WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND WE WANT EVERYBODY'S BEST OPINIONS AND SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW WE LOOK. 
          IT'S A VERY, THIS SITE IS, IS A VERY SPECIAL SITE IN MANY, MANY REGARDS. 
          AND THERE'S NOT A THERE. 
          AND WE, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT WITH THAT VERY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION. 
          I THINK IT'S A SITE. 
          UM, THERE'S MARVELOUS HISTORY TO THIS SITE. 
          THIS IS NOT JUST LIKE ANOTHER URBAN SPACE IN ANOTHER CITY. 
          THIS IS A UNIQUE HISTORIC SPACE IN, IN AMERICAS, AND, AND IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY. 
          AND I THINK THAT WHAT THIS PLAN DOES IS IT HONORS THAT ENTIRE HISTORY. 
          AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS THAT WHEN WE'RE DONE, EVERYBODY COMES THERE INSTEAD OF SAYING, OH, I WAS AT THE ALIMO. 
          I GOT ANOTHER SELFIE, THEY'RE GONNA GO THE ALIMO. 
          I UNDERSTAND NOW 30% OF OUR PEOPLE DON'T, ONLY 30% EVEN KNOW IT WAS A MISSION. 
          OKAY? I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW IT'S A MISSION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WANT EVERYBODY WHEN THEY LEAVE, OH, PEOPLE LIVED HERE AND DIED HERE, BUT NOT JUST THE HEROES AND DEFENDERS. 
          THOSE ARE ALL, THAT'S ALL IMPORTANT PART OF THE NARRATIVE, BUT THAT ENTIRE HISTORY WILL BE THERE. 
          SO I JUST FRAME THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THIS IS SOMETHING WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND WE'VE GOT GOOD STEP PROFESSIONAL STAFF THAT'LL GUIDE US THROUGH ALL THOSE STEPS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND 
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THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU'LL BE PROVIDING AND SENDING THE PERMITS AND THE APPLICATIONS OF WHEN YOU DO THAT INFORMATION AND YOU SEND IT THE C A C, SOME OF THE C A C MEMBERS HAVE REQUESTED IT, UM, CHERYL, COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO MAYOR, I, I'D LIKE THAT THE CITY ALSO RECEIVES ALL OF THOSE PERMITS. 
          I'M SURE THAT WE, IF WE, WE CAN ALSO RECEIVE THOSE JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING AND, UM, THAT YOU ALL CAN SEND THAT TO US AS WELL. 
          AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF YOU WANT PERIODIC UPDATES SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE SITE? ABSOLUTELY, YES. 
          SO OKAY. 
          IN THAT CONTEXT, YES, OF COURSE. 
          AND IF WE COULD, UM, EVEN IN THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT UPDATE OF WHEN IT'S, UH, IT'S NECESSARY AT THE, UM, ARTS CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE, UM, OTHER REQUESTS THERE. 
          AND, AND THEN I THINK, UM, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, UH, I, I JUST HAVE TO HA I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER, 'CAUSE A LOT, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE CTA AND WHAT IS UNDERNEATH THE CTA, THAT THERE'S A RE SOME FIRE WAS, WAS BURNED THERE AND THERE'S SOMETHING UNDERNEATH THE CTAP. 
          IS THAT TRUE? CAN SOME, MAYBE SOME OF OUR EXPERTS OR THAT THEY HAVE BURNED THE BODIES AND THE BODIES ARE BURNED UNDERNEATH THE CTAP AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TRU? WELL, I THINK DOUG, DOUG WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER PART OF THAT. 
          I JUST SHORT PLEASE, DOUG. 
          THERE ARE NO BONAFIDE QUAL HISTORIANS OF THAT ARE, THAT ARE TA THAT HAVE EVER SUGGESTED OR FOUND THAT THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE OF FUNERAL PRIOR ON THAT SITE. 
          EVERY HISTORIAN WILL SAY THEY WERE NEVER ON THIS SITE BECAUSE WHEN THE, WHEN THAT BATTLE WAS OVER, THEY INTENDED TO REMOVE EVERYBODY FROM THE SITE BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO OCCUPY THE SITE. 
          AND SO THEY REMOVED ALL THE BODIES, THEY MOVED THEM TO COMMERCE STREET, AND THAT'S WHERE THE PIRES WERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, FINALLY, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE IS, THERE IS CHANGE. 
          THERE IS CHANGE, BUT THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITY HERE. 
          AND, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK THERE'S SO MANY, UM, EVERYONE FEELS VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS AS THEY SHOULD AND AS WAS MENTIONED BY THE COUNCIL COUNCILMEN, UM, WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND VIEWPOINTS OF WHAT THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE AS WELL. 
          BUT THERE HAS BEEN VERY, VERY THOROUGH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THIS AND, UM, PASSIONATE ON EVERY END. 
          AND WHAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO END WITH IS WITH THE, UM, WOOLWORTH BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST REDISCOVERING OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE ALSO HAVE DISCOVERED IN, IN THE LIVING HERITAGE SYMPOSIUM THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF MONTH, A MONTH AGO, MORE THAN A MONTH AGO, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF JUST CHANGE AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY, A LOT OF THE STORIES OF OUR AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE AND COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ERASED BECAUSE IT WAS JUST NEVER TOLD. 
          AND NOW WE'RE REDISCOVERING THOSE STORIES, AND NOW WE'RE TELLING THESE STORIES. 
          THAT IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STORY OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS AND WHAT HAPPENED THERE AND THE PART THAT SAN ANTONIO PLAYED IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IS THERE AND KEPT AND HELD ONTO, UM, SO CHERYL, COUNCIL MEMBER TREVINO FROM, FOR GIVING YOU MY OPINION. 
          AND MY HOPE IS THAT AS YOU ALL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ANALYSIS, THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO ALL THAT WE CAN FOR THIS, THE, THE WOOLWORTH BUILDING AND THE FACADE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN GRO. 
          COUNCILWOMAN SANDOVAL. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO'S BEEN, UH, WORKING ON THIS, UH, CHERYL, UH, LAURIE COUNCILMAN, UH, AS WELL AS MY APPOINTEE TO THE, TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY, UH, COMMISSION. 
          MARCELLA MARTINEZ, UM, SORRY, COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT, UH, WHEN I BEGAN, WHEN I CAME INTO THIS PROCESS, UH, DURING, UM, THE BEGINNING OF OUR, OF THIS COUNCIL PERIOD, I HAD WHAT MIGHT BE A HEALTHY, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A HEALTHY SKEPTICISM. 
          UM, I UNDERSTOOD VERY WELL THE DESIRE TO MAXIMIZE WHAT THE ALAMO HAS TO OFFER TO OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL AS, AS OUR VIS AS OUR VISITORS. 
          AND I KNEW LIKE YOU, LIKE YOU'VE TOLD US THAT THE VISITORS ARE UNDERWHELMED AND EVEN PEOPLE WHO COME STAY WITH ME, THEY'RE LIKE, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. 
          WHAT IS THIS? IT, WHERE'S THE BASEMENT? RIGHT? OF, OF THE ALAMO, UM, TO QUOTE ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOVIES. 
          UM, BUT I DID HAVE A BIG CONCERN THAT IF WE GREW THE FOOTPRINT OF 
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THE ALAMO AND GREW THE FOCUS ONTO THE ALAMO, WHAT DID THAT DO TO SAN ANTONIO AND TO THE PUBLIC SPACE THERE? WHICH IS, I GUESS, THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION YOU'VE BEEN GRAPPLING WITH THAT THE MAYOR'S BEEN GRAPPLING WITH. 
          UM, UH, I JUST, UH, I'M GRAPPLING WITH IT, WITH IT TOO. 
          UM, I CONSIDER THIS TO BE ONE OF OUR, OUR GATHERING SPACES. 
          UH, AND I THINK EVERY CITY NEEDS A WONDERFUL GATHERING SPACE FOR, UH, CITIZENS, RESIDENTS TO COME AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES. 
          THERE WAS A SLIDE UP THERE, UM, I THINK IT WAS REFERRED TO AS A DISTRACTION, AND MAYBE THOSE WEREN'T THE MOST ATTRACTIVE PROTESTS, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, DISPLAYS OF, OF, UM, OF FREE SPEECH, BUT THEY WEREN'T IN EFFECT, UH, FREE SPEECH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THAT SPACE HAS BEEN USED FOR. 
          UM, BUT BASED ON TODAY'S PRESENTATION AND SOME OF THE DIALOGUES WE'VE HAD, I, I DO FEEL THAT WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT FORWARD IS, IS AN IMPROVEMENT ON, ON WHAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY THE CONSIDERATION OF THE WOOLWORTH COUNTER, WHICH HAS BEEN, UM, REALLY NOT NOTICED. 
          NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH THAT. 
          SO I I REALLY APPRECIATE US DOING THAT. 
          UH, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE INDIGENOUS CULTURES THAT EXISTED, UH, BEFORE THE MISSION. 
          UM, THE CONSIDERATION OF, UH, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, NOT JUST THE HEROES OF THE ALAMO, BUT THE INHABITANTS OF THE ALAMO. 
          UM, THE SEQUENCE OF THE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS AND THE NATIONALITIES THAT HAVE, UH, THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THAT SPACE. 
          UM, BUT GOING BACK TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLES, UH, WE WILL CONSIDER THIS NEXT WEEK ON THE 11TH. 
          THAT'S THE DAY BEFORE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY, RIGHT ON, I THINK OCTOBER 12TH IS OUR OFFICIAL CITY DAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT'LL BE, UM, THAT'S FORTUITOUS. 
          UH, SO WE, WE SHOULD, UM, KEEP THAT IN MIND AS, AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          UM, BUT ALL THAT SAID, I OF COURSE HAVE SOME ASSURANCES THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME, A LITTLE BIT BETTER UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND SOME OF THIS IS FOR MYSELF, BUT SOME OF THIS IS ALSO FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING, UH, AT HOME, UM, WHO DO HAVE QUESTIONS, WHO SEND THEM INTO US AND WANT, UM, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH. 
          UM, SO A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, THIS COUNCIL APPROVED AN UPDATE TO OUR PARADE ORDINANCE OR WHAT, WHAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A, A DEMONSTRATION ORDINANCE? SO I, I'M GOING TO ASK, UH, I THINK IT WAS ANDY WHO, WHO WORKED ON THAT. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US HOW THIS PROPOSAL WOULD AFFECT, UH, THAT PARADE ORDINANCE? WOULD THIS STILL BE A PUBLIC SPACE THAT PEOPLE COULD DEMONSTRATE AT? UH, THE ANSWER, UH, TO THAT, UH, COUNCILWOMAN IS THAT IT WOULDN'T AFFECT OUR ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IT IS BEING LEASED, UH, TO THE G L O. 
          UH, BUT LIKE IN OTHER FACILITIES WHERE WE HAVE, UH, LEASE SPACE, LIKE THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE ALAMO DOME, UH, THERE WILL BE AREAS OR AN AREA AT LEAST DESIGNATED FOR FREE SPEECH ACTIVITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHERE THAT AREA WILL BE? I THINK WE STILL ARE WORKING ON THAT, BUT WE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IT YET DESIGNATED WHERE RIGHT IN THIS AREA. 
          HERE'S, HERE'S THE FOOTPRINT HERE. 
          SO RIGHT HERE TO THE SOUTH OF WHERE THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT IS LOCATED, I'LL GIVE YOU A MAP THAT'S AN EXHIBIT TO THE LEASE TO MAKE THIS CLEAR. 
          WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT OF THE STREETS THAT WE'RE CLOSING, NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE BEING LEASED TO THE G L O. 
          JUST THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT OF THE MISSION IS BEING LEASED. 
          SO WE'LL GIVE YOU A MAP THAT CLARIFIES AND WE'LL CALL OUT THAT, UH, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY AREA. 
          OKAY, GREAT FOR YOU. 
          AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE HAD A DIALOGUE WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT ALL THE ADVOCATES THAT CAME FORWARD DURING THE TIME OF THE PARTY AUDIENCE? WE'VE HAD? UH, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT 'CAUSE WE HAD A, A REGULAR MEETING WITH THAT, A GROUP, UH, WHICH WE COMMITTED THAT WITH THEM AND WITH ACCOUNTS WE WOULD'VE A QUARTERLY MEETING. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS TOPIC NECESSARILY CAME UP 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T YET, HADN'T FULLY IDENTIFIED THE AREA, BUT IT'LL CERTAINLY BE ON, ON THE LIST OF TOPICS THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT. 
          UM, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO DO THAT BEFORE OCTOBER 11TH? WE CERTAINLY CAN. 
          WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM. 
          WE, YES. 
          I GUESS I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW, HOW, HOW DOES THAT TIMING WORK OUT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT OR WHO, WHO IN ON WHERE IT'S SCHEDULED? YOU MEAN FOR NEXT WEEK? THE 18TH. 
          THE 18TH, OH, SORRY. 
          THE, THE 18TH. 
          IT'S TOMORROW. 
          11TH IS TOMORROW. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, UH, OH, SORRY. 
          I WAS TOTALLY OFF ON INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY . 
          UM, SO, SO WE'LL VOTE ON THE 18TH. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, AND WHEN WILL THE, I GUESS WHO DECIDES, DO WE AFFIRM WHAT THE PUBLIC, UH, ASSEMBLY SPACE IS? OR IS THAT AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION, OR IS THAT A COUNCIL DECISION? THAT IS, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE VIEWING IT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION BECAUSE IT, IT DEPENDS ON, AGAIN, WHERE, UH, ULTIMATELY, UM, SOME OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT 
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GOES. 
          BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SPACE IS ONE LARGE ENOUGH AND VISUAL ENOUGH SO THAT IT IS CONDUCIVE TO FIRST AMENDMENT. 
          UH, THAT'S THE SAME SORT OF CRITERIA WE USE FOR THE OTHER ONES, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT A FIRST AMENDMENT SPACE THAT'S OFF TO THE SIDE WHERE NOBODY SEES, WE WANNA, UH, UH, UH, ASSEMBLY SPACE FOR ONE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UH, AN ASSEMBLY AND A FIRST AMENDMENT ACTIVITY AND ALSO BE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO I, I JUST WOULDN'T WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'VE SIGNED, UH, THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND, UH, IT TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO, TO, UM, TO FREE SPEECH. 
          SO HOW DO WE AVOID THAT SITUATION? WELL, I, WE WILL GET YOU THE DELINEATION SO YOU SEE WHERE THAT IS AND THE PROXIMITY, UH, TO THE CHAPEL. 
          OKAY. 
          OR THE ALAMO CHURCH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND SORRY, ANDY, COULD YES, COULD YOU CONFIRM THAT YOU WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THAT GROUP BEFORE IN ADVANCE? YES, WE WILL. 
          IN FACT, WE, WE TALK TO THEM QUITE OFTEN AND WE HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION THOUGH, , AND WE, WE HAD ACTUALLY SPEED, VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, OUR LAST MEETING WAS ABOUT A WEEK, I THINK LAST WEEK. 
          UH, SO YEAH, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANDY. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          MY, MY OTHER QUESTION, I, NOT TO BEAT THE HORSE TO DEATH, BUT, UM, I DO WANNA UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT THE, THE POINTS OF ENTRY. 
          UM, AND RIGHT NOW IS THE IDEA TO HAVE SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE THAT WOULD, UH, RESTRICT ACCESS WHERE THERE'S NOT A DESIGNATED POINT OF ENTRY, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO TO ASK THAT QUESTION TOO. 
          UH, WELL, THERE, WE CALL IT A FORMAL POINT. 
          IT'S NOT DESIGNED. 
          UM, WE, WE KNOW THAT, UH, PART OF THAT IS, IS INCORPORATING THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS, UH, SPECIFICALLY CROCKETT TO HELP ORIENT PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GO ONTO THE ALAMO PLAZA. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S PART OF AN ORIENTATION PROCESS. 
          IT'S NOT DESIGNED, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE TACKLED BY THE MUSEUM ARCHITECTS. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT AGREEING TO ANY SORT OF, UH, STRUCTURE OR BARRICADE IN THE, UM, IN THE, IN WHEREVER. 
          THERE'S NOT AN ENTRY IDENTIFIED. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE I I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. 
          SORRY. 
          IS THERE GONNA BE A FENCE ANYWHERE AROUND? THERE'S GONNA BE DESTRUCT. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, AS PART OF PART OF THE DESIGN, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, SOME RAILING, THERE'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPING AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WILL HELP TO DIRECT PEOPLE, UH, TO THE SITE. 
          AND, AND AS I MENTIONED, UH, OFF MUSEUM HOURS, THERE'S AT LEAST SIX ENTRY POINTS TO THE HISTORIC FOOTPRINT ITSELF, UM, AND THE WALL AROUND THE BACK OF THE ALAMO. 
          SO IF YOU, SORRY, IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT, THE STONE WALL, MOST THE STONEWALL, WILL THAT CONT REMAIN OR WILL THAT BE REMOVED? WE ARE REMOVING THAT STONEWALL. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION, UH, THAT STONEWALL WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH, WITH A FENCE THAT IS SIT BACK IN INSIDE A LANDSCAPING. 
          SO YOU, YOU, YOU WILL REALLY JUST SEE A BUNCH OF LANDSCAPING AND WILL TRY TO ERASE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, DELINEATION OF WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL MISSION. 
          CORRECT. 
          UH, UN UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, SO THIS IS WHERE I KIND OF HAVE A, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT PERPLEXED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT MOST OF THE VISITORS TO ALAMO PLAZA ARE FROM OUTSIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THAT THE DESIRE IS TO GUIDE THEM TO HAVE THE BEST EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY GO TO, TO THE FULL EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY GO TO THE ALAMO. 
          AND I, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THAT'S WHAT THIS DESIGN IS, IS BASED ON, I BELIEVE WE ALSO WANT THIS PLAZA TO BETTER SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE GUIDED TO THE FORMAL ENTRY POINTS. 
          I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO WHAT IS, AGAIN, OUR GATHERING SPACE, UM, AT ANY POINT. 
          I, I THINK THE, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A, A STREET BLOCK RIGHT. 
          KIND OF IDENTIFIES IT AS THAT IN IS A, THE DEFACTO FENCE AROUND IT. 
          SO I, I GUESS I DON'T FULLY, I'M NOT CONVINCED YET THAT WE NEED THE, THE FENCES AROUND IT. 
          AND I'M, I'M OPEN TO LISTENING TO, UH, THE, THE OTHER SIDE IF SOMEONE COULD ON THE DESIGN TEAM COULD EXPLAIN TO ME MM-HMM. 
          , I'M GONNA LET JOHN TALK ABOUT SURE. 
          VISITOR EXPERIENCE, BUT I WANT TO BE, MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS EDGE IS AND WHERE IT ISN'T. 
          AND I'M GONNA STEP AWAY FROM HERE FOR A SECOND. 
          DO, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THE MIC? 
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THANK YOU. 
          SO THE LISTENERS AT HOME CAN HEAR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY. 
          IT'S ON, IT'S ON. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL AREA WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS THE ZONE IN WHICH YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THESE PORTALS TO ACCESS EVERYTHING FROM LA SOYA THROUGH ALL THE WAY PAST TO THE CROCKETT HOTEL, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO COMMERCE STREET THAT IS GONNA FUNCTION JUST LIKE IT FUNCTIONS TODAY, BUT 10 TIMES BETTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE CARS. 
          AND THE ALAMO PLAZA EXPERIENCE OF WHAT THE COMMON CITIZENS OF THIS CITY COME TO THIS SPACE TO EXPERIENCE, ALL OF THAT STILL HAPPENS HERE. 
          PEOPLE CAN WALK UP TO THE NORTH, THEY CAN WALK ALONG IN FRONT OF THE GIBBS IN FRONT OF THE, UM, THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE EMILY MORAN HOTEL THAT IS NOT WITHIN THIS EDGE CONDITION, WHICH, WHICH DELINEATES THE OUTDOOR MUSEUM. 
          SO ALL OF THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, MANAGED AT ALL. 
          CITIZENS ARE WALKING THROUGH THERE ANY TIME OF DAY AND NIGHT. 
          IT IS ONLY VERY SPECIFICALLY THIS ZONE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH, IN FRONT OF THE LONG BARRACKS AND WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT. 
          AND JUST IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THAT IS WITHIN THAT EDGE CONDITION. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE ACTUAL CONTEXT AND THEN MAYBE JOHN CAN SPEAK TO THE PROGRAMMING REASONS WHY, REASONS WHY I, I HAVE THE FLOOR. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          WHY MY LIFE, I'VE NEVER ACTED LIKE THIS BEFORE. 
          HERE'S, I APOLOGIZE. 
          PART OF YOUR, YOUR POINT, UM, THAT YOU SAID IS YOU DO, YOU DO UNDERSTAND, AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE VISITORS AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE COME AND DON'T KNOW EVEN WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          AND EVEN WHEN THEY COME, THEY'RE DISAPPOINTED IN, AND THAT'S IT MENTALITY. 
          BUT THE LOCALS DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          AND THE LOCALS KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THEY KNOW THEY, THEY HAVE A FAVORITE SPOT THAT THEY WANT TO EAT LUNCH AT. 
          AND, AND THE FUTURE LOCALS CORRECT. 
          PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW THAT AREN'T, UH, ENJOYING THE PLAZA RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DO. 
          I I THINK THIS WILL DRAW SOME OF THEM TO, TO USE IT MORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE AS A TEAM IS THAT RIGHT NOW, WHEN YOU THINK OF THE ALAMO EXPERIENCE, YOU THINK OF THE CHURCH AND, AND THE CHURCH ONLY MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WHAT'S KEY TO THIS, TO, TO WHAT PART OF THE ALAMO PLAN IS, IS THAT PART OF THE OFFERINGS REALLY IS NOT ONLY JUST THE CHURCH NOW, IT IS THE CHURCH, THE OUTDOOR MUSEUM, LIVING HISTORY, THE THEATER, THE MUSEUM, THE SPECIALTY TOURS, THE ALL THE DIFFERENT OFFERINGS THAT, THAT WILL MAKE UP YOUR COMPREHENSIVE ALAMO EXPERIENCE. 
          AND YOU'RE RIGHT, NOT JUST FOR VISITORS, BUT FOR LOCALS ALSO, UH, PART OF THAT UNDERSTANDING AND EVEN THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE FULL STORY OF THE ALAMO IS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THAT STORY IS NOT POSSIBLE WHEN YOU TRY TO SPRINKLE IT ACROSS ALL PERIMETERS. 
          AND THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY OF BOTH FOR LOCALS AND FOR VISITORS, BRINGING SOME SOMEBODY TO A COMPREHENSIVE SPACE. 
          AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A, A DOOR, RIGHT? LIKE A THREE FOOT DOOR RIGHT THERE. 
          THE POTENTIAL, ALTHOUGH THE MUSEUM'S NOT DESIGNED YET, BUT THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A VISITOR CENTER SPACE, A, A GRAND SPACE WITHIN THE MUSEUM THAT ORIENTS PEOPLE, THAT ALSO PERMITS PEOPLE TO PASS THROUGH THIS AREA INTO THE OUTDOOR SITE. 
          SO WHEN WE PUT THAT, THAT DIAGRAM AND THE ONE LITTLE BLACK ARROW, OUR VISION IS NOT IN THE, IN THE BROAD CIRCLE THAT THE BLACK ARROW COMES FROM. 
          THE VISION IS NOT ONE OF A SMALL LITTLE SPACE AND A SMALL LITTLE DOOR WHERE, WHERE LOCALS CAN GO THROUGH AND GET FUNNELED THROUGH. 
          THE INTENT IS A GRAND SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM ORIENTATION, UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE OFFERINGS, NOT JUST AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHURCH AND A SPACE TO FLOW THROUGH. 
          SO IT, IT IS OPEN FOR VISITORS AND FOR LOCALS TO UNDERSTAND. 
          AND IT'S NOT YET BEEN DESIGNED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GRAND COULD BE THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE CROCKETT BUILDING. 
          IS IT, IS IT THREE FEET WIDE? IS IT 80 FEET WIDE? THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT THE POWER OF BRINGING PEOPLE TO A SINGLE SPACE DOES HELP THAT. 
          SO I I UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED TO GUIDE THEM MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I WOULD WANT YOU TO CONSIDER OTHER WAYS OF DOING THAT GUIDANCE. 
          I THINK IF YOU'RE FLYING ALL THE WAY TO SAN ANTONIO AND COMING HERE TO VISIT THE ALAMO FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU SAW THE MOVIES WHEN YOU WERE A KID, OR YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, THIS CRADLE OF LIBERTY, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT VISITOR IS WILLING TO TAKE AN EXTRA STEP AND DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SPOONFED, BUT IS WILLING TO TAKE THE EXTRA STEP TO FIND WHERE DO I START THIS MAGNIFICENT TOUR. 
          SO I I'M JUST WONDERING WHY, WHY NOT WAY, UH, WAY FINDING OR SOME SIGNAGE, UH, AS OPPOSED TO A STRUCTURAL OKAY. 
          BARRIER. 
          AND I KNOW THIS HAS GOTTA BE ODD THAT WE ARE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WE'RE ROLLING UP OUR SLEEVES INTO YOUR WORK AND NO, IT'S, AND QUESTIONING IT. 
          BUT YOU, HEY, HERE WE ARE. 
          GO AHEAD NOW. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          THE WAY, WAY ALL THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE INTENT OF WHAT WE SPOKE TO, THE WAY FINDING THE UNDERSTANDING, EVEN THE UNDERSTANDING BEFORE THEY ARRIVE 
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IS, IS ALSO KEY. 
          WE KNOW FOR ALL THE DESTINATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE EXCITEMENT AND THE ANTICIPATION OF WHAT YOU WERE GOING AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHY YOU WERE GOING, AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT EMOTIONAL CONNECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS KEY TO ANY EXPERIENCE. 
          AND, AND WHEN YOU JUST HAPPEN UPON A SPACE AS IT IS NOW, THAT GOAL THAT WE ALL TALK ABOUT OF, OF THE, THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION OF THE ALAMO AND KEEPING THAT ALIVE AND, AND A WHOLE STORY, AND NOT JUST TO TAKE A SELFIE, THAT'S THE, THAT PROCESS IS KEY TO THE MM-HMM. 
           TO THAT END GOAL. 
          SO, BUT SO AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND REITERATE WHAT I, WHAT I SAID IS I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE, THAT THERE'S NOT ANOTHER WAY TO ACHIEVE IT WITH, WITHOUT THE, THE STRUCTURAL, UH, UH, BARRIERS. 
          I'M, I'M NOT YET CONVINCED. 
          UM, MY FIRST BRIEFING ON THE ALAMO, UH, WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL WAS BY MS. HOUSTON. 
          AND WE DISCUSSED THIS VERY ISSUE THAT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE GLASS WALLS, WHICH ARE NO LONGER PART OF THE, OF, UH, OF THE CONSIDERATION RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT ONE THING WE DISCUSSED, IF YOU REMEMBER LORI, WAS ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO DELINEATE THAT SPACE THAT DON'T REQUIRE, UM, A PHYSICAL BARRIER? AND WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, POSSIBLY, UM, SOME MARKINGS IN THE GROUND. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THE FREEDOM TRAIL IN, IN BOSTON, UM, AND YOU HAD SOME OTHER EXAMPLES, AND I REALLY LIKED THAT IDEA AND I, UM, IT, I WAS HOPING IT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED MM-HMM. 
          , AND IT IS, AND THE DELINEATION, ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T SPEAK TO IT AS MUCH WITH THE VISUALS THAT ARE THERE, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE, THE DELINEATION OF THE FOOTPRINT IS STILL THERE, AND IT REALLY DOES GO BACK TO THE MM-HMM. 
           TO THE DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND AS WELL, THAT WE TALKED TO NOT OH, RIGHT. 
          PART OF THAT ESTABLISHES THAT THRESHOLD, ESTABLISHES THE SPACE FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT. 
          SO NOT ONLY THE DELINEATION OF THE GROUND, BUT ALSO JUST THAT SUBTLE DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND, WHETHER IT'S SO, SO YOU'RE ENTERING A DIFFERENT SPACE. 
          RIGHT, EXACTLY. 
          THAT'S MARKING IT, THAT'S EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AS THE, AS ANY OTHER REASON TO, TO DEPRESS IT, IT WOULD KEEP, SO, OKAY, SO WE HAVE THAT A SPATIAL DELINEATION, THE, THE DROPPING OF THE GROUND. 
          SO TELL ME AGAIN WHY WE, BUT WE STILL NEED THE FENCE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? STILL NEED THE, THE, A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT IS THERE, THE DELINEATE OF THE SPACE AND WHAT IT IS, BUT ALSO ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES AND THE OFFERINGS OF WHAT'S TO COME AND, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE A JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          I THINK, UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO HAVE MAYBE SOME MORE EXPLICIT GRAPHICS ON, ON THAT. 
          UM, YOU, YOU MENTIONED HAVING, UH, THE GRAPHIC ON THE, ON THE DEMONSTRATION SPACE, BUT MAYBE ALSO WHERE THOSE, UH, WHERE THERE ACTUALLY WILL BE A, SOME TYPE OF BARRIER. 
          UM, JUST SO, SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, SO, UH, I THINK I'M GONNA STOP THERE, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL. 
          COUNCILMAN BROCK HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, THE BENEFIT OF SECOND TO LAST IS I'M PRACTICALLY OUTTA QUESTIONS, SO, UM, I WILL JUST MAKE A FEW KEY POINTS AND THEN LET COUNCILMAN SALDANA, UH, BRING IT HOME HERE. 
          IF HE'S QUEUED IN AFTER ME. 
          UH, I COME A LONG WAY ON THE PLAN. 
          UH, I THINK, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, REALLY GOOD WORK. 
          I MEAN, I'VE ENJOYED IT AND I'VE LISTENED, AND THE HISTORICAL PART OF THINGS WAS VERY INTERESTING, AND I'VE, UH, ACTUALLY LEARNED A LOT OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AT THE STATE LEVEL AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, I HEAR ABOUT IT ALMOST AT EVERY COMMUNITY MEETING I GO TO. 
          SO IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING TOPIC, AND IT HAS BEEN, UH, AN EYEOPENER. 
          I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY TODAY ABOUT THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS'S PROBABLY WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET A MUCH MORE SOLID VOTE THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE A, THE ALAMOS IS JUST THE IDENTITY OF THE STATE. 
          SO IT'S A, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A VOTE THAT'S A LASTING, UH, IMPACT ON THE CITY AND OUR IDENTITY IN THE STATE. 
          SO I'VE BEEN VERY DELIBERATE IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE I LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY, UH, WANTED AND, AND TRY TO DELIVER THAT DOWN HERE TO UH, TO CITY HALL. 
          SO I WANNA THANK THE STAFF AND THE, MY APPOINTEE, LEONARD RODRIGUEZ, WHO'S DONE A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING FOR ME, AND, UH, BROUGHT ME ALONG AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THINGS I CAN SIT AND TALK ON, SPEAK TO WITH THE, UM, WITH SOME EXPERTISE IN IT. 
          AND THIS, FRANKLY, IS NOT ONE OF 'EM. 
          AND OTHER THAN THE HISTORICAL SIDE OF IT, BEING A SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT AT TEXAN, I, I, THE, THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND ALL THIS, THIS FANTASTIC WORK AND THIS, THIS PRESENTATION'S AMAZING. 
          UH, AND IT'S JUST A LOT TO TAKE IN. 
          SO, UH, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN IT. 
          SO I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LEAN ON THE FOLKS. 
          THERE'S REALLY TWO EXPERTS. 
          THERE'S THE EXPERT SIDE OF HOW YOU DESIGN IT AND BUILD THIS THING AND WHAT IT'S GONNA BE FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE EXPERT SIDE OF THE TEXAN, RIGHT? THE, THE PERSON WHO LIVES HERE AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE. 
          I WANNA THANK, UH, COUNCILMAN TREVINO FOR THE WORK. 
          HE'S, UH, REACHED OUT AS MUCH AS HE COULD TO GIVE ME THE INFORMATION, TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. 
          AND, UM, I WATCHED HIM IN A VERY, IN DIFFICULT SETTINGS, UH, BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I POINTED THAT OUT, THAT YOU, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE FINAL VOTE WITH THE ALAMO COMMITTEE 
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STUFF, I THOUGHT THAT WAS WELL CONDUCTED. 
          I SHOWED UP THAT NIGHT 'CAUSE I WANTED TO SEE, RIGHT? I WANTED TO SEE FOR MYSELF OUTWORKED. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY WORKING TOGETHER. 
          AND IT'S JUST TAKEN TIME TO GET THERE, AND IT'S A TOUGH CONVERSATION AND I, UM, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF AT LEAST WE'RE HAVING IT. 
          AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE. 
          SO MY POINTS HAVING COME A LONG WAY ON IT, IS I'M OVERALL, GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE ALAMO MASTER PLAN. 
          UM, I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT A COUPLE OF KEY POINTS STICK OUT TO ME. 
          NUMBER ONE, I HAVE NO PROBLEM REALLY WITH THE STREET CLOSURES. 
          UM, I, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          I, I'M INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE ON THE PRESERVATION PIECES WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          I, I'VE, I'M GONNA THROW A SHOUT OUT TO SHANNON AND SHE'S TAUGHT ME ALONG, COME AGAIN, A LONG WAY ON FIGURING OUT, UH, BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO THE HISTORICAL PIECES OF IT. 
          BECAUSE THIS PLAZA'S MORE THAN JUST AT THAT POINT, MORE THAN THE BATTLEFIELD. 
          IT'S ALSO THESE HISTORICAL THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE BUILDINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED OVER TIME AND, AND HOW BUILDINGS, UM, BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY FABRIC. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M, AGAIN, JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE ON AND, AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. 
          UM, SO OKAY, WITH THE STREETS, UM, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN GOOD COMPROMISE ON A LOT OF THESE ITEMS. AND THE LEASE DOESN'T CONCERN ME. 
          I, I, FOR ONE, AND I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC. 
          WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE STATE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD, AND WORKING WITH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE IS GONNA BE A GOOD THING. 
          UM, OFTENTIMES WE TEND TO RUN AWAY FROM THE STATE AND, AND LOCAL CONTROL. 
          I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THESE ITEMS WHERE IT'S GOOD TO PARTNER, UH, AND, AND WORK WITH THEM AND, AND TRUST THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME GOALS THAT WE DO. 
          UH, I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS EITHER OF LOSING $400 MILLION, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITY. 
          I MEAN, WE PUT 38 MILLION ON THE TABLE AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND AND THERE'S A LOT OF LEVERAGED OPPORTUNITY HERE. 
          WE ALSO NEED, AT SOME POINT, GET TO A VOTE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          AND WE PUT DOWN A VOTE. 
          WE'LL OWN IT WHEN WE OWN IT, WHEN THE TIME COMES, UH, IN ELECTION SEASONS AND ALL THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S FINE. 
          I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE HERE TO PUT A VOTE DOWN ON THIS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          AND THE SOONER WE GET THERE, I THINK THE BETTER IT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE FOUR YEARS, AND FOR SOME, FOR THE NEW FOLKS, IT MAYBE MAY BE A YEAR AND A HALF IN A BUNCH OF MEETINGS. 
          BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE, UH, WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME AND EVEN THROUGH TO NEXT WEEK TO RESEARCH AND MAKE SURE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH CERTAIN THINGS. 
          SO I'M, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE LEASE. 
          I'M GOOD WITH TRUSTING THE STATE OF TEXAS AND AUSTIN. 
          THEY HAVE THE SAME GOALS. 
          I'M, I'M SOLID WITH THE STREET CLOSURES. 
          UM, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THOUGH, JUST THAT I PUT MY 2 CENTS IN ON THE FOCAL POINT. 
          UM, SOMEBODY MENTIONED MAYBE, MAYBE IT WAS DOUG. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THE BATTLE IS A FOCAL POINT. 
          IT'S, OR IT'S A, I THINK YOU SAID AN IMPORTANT PIECE. 
          NO, IT'S THE IMPORTANT PIECE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I GET ON THE RECORD IN SAYING THAT THE BATTLE IS THE FOCAL POINT PERIOD. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHERE, IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTING THAT. 
          AND AS A FAMILY, AS MY FAMILY GOES BACK TO THE VERY FOUNDINGS THROUGH THE ROCHA FAMILY IN SAN ANTONIO, I'M INVESTED IN THIS AS WELL. 
          BUT THE BATTLE IS THE FOCAL POINT. 
          I JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHAT IT MEANS, I THINK WE NEED TO BRING IN THE ENTIRE STORY, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE FIGHTING TO REMEMBER THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE THERE ABOUT THE BATTLE PIECE OF IT. 
          AND I DON'T, AND I WANT JUST THAT TO REMAIN THE FOCAL POINT. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE SENATE, TAF, I GOTTA TELL YOU, I'M, I'M STILL HIGHLY UNCOMFORTABLE, UH, WITH WHAT HAS OCCURRED HERE. 
          I WAS DEAD SET AGAINST IT GOING OFF OF, UM, COMMERCE AND MARKET. 
          I, IT WAS JUST WRONG. 
          AND I CAME OUT QUICKLY AGAINST THAT. 
          AND EVEN NOW, I'M, I HAVE CONCERNS. 
          I DID TELL I WOULD, I DID DO THE RESEARCH WITH SOME PARTNERS AND SOME, SOME OTHER CONTACTS. 
          AND ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN THE ACTUAL SYNTA WAS DECIDED TO GO ON THE SPOT WHERE IT WAS, IT WAS LITERALLY A LAST DAY DECISION AT THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN THE DAYS. 
          I MEAN, I SAW THE HISTORICAL RECORDS. 
          THE COUNCIL VOTED TO MOVE IT, UH, FROM THE BANDSTAND AREA TO THE LOCATION IT'S AT NOW. 
          THAT WAS IN THE LAST 72 HOUR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COUNCILMAN. 
          IT WAS IN THE LAST 72 HOURS, I THINK, IN FACT, THE LAST 24 HOURS THAT THEY'D MADE A DECISION TO PUT IT WHERE IT'S AT. 
          SO IN THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT, WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THE LOCATION IN ITS ORIGINAL MINDSET, RIGHT, WHERE IT WAS, HAD NO MEANING. 
          THE LOCATION REALLY DIDN'T, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO AT THE BANDSTAND ON THE OTHER PORTION, FOUR OR 500 FEET AWAY, AND THEN THEY DECIDED TO MOVE IT WHERE IT'S AT. 
          BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE, THE COMMUNITY THEN HAS GROWN AROUND THAT AND, AND RALLIED AROUND THAT LOCATION ON THE SENATE DEATH. 
          AND IT HAS RISEN TO THE POINT, UH, MAY, MAY MAYBE CALLING IT A GRAVESTONE AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. 
          MAYBE THAT'S MORE PERSONAL FEELING ABOUT IT. 
          AND THE, WHEN THE HISTORICAL FACT IS, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT VALUE ON THAT SPOT, BUT IT HAS NOW THE VALUE IN THE, IN THE HEART OF THE, OF THE TEXAN, RIGHT? SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I'D ASK. 
          I'M NOT SURE I'M THERE ON IT. 
          LIKE I, I THINK THAT, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, MAN, I, I SEE WE COMPROMISE ON THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS AND, AND WE GAVE IN ON THE PARADE ROUTES, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT FOR THE SENATE TAP BECAUSE THERE ARE A DIFFERENT SET OF SUPPORTER. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF PUT SOME PEOPLE ON THE SIDE THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAKE UP STORIES ABOUT CONTRARAS BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH US. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT? JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH US. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOONS. 
          I JUST THINK THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT. 
          UM, AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE SACRIFICED, WE 
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COMPROMISED ON THAT PIECE FOR THE, FOR THE FOLKS ON THE FIESTA COMMISSION, THOSE 'CAUSE THEY DO CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT. 
          AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE, I THINK WE DID COME TO IT. 
          SO I, I THINK WE DID COMPROMISE SOME WITH THEM TO KEEP IT ON THE FOOTPRINT, BUT JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY ITEM I THINK IF I'M REALLY GONNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT GOING FORWARD IS, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA VOTE THAT SEPARATE OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          COUNCIL, MAYBE IF YOU CAN KIND OF GIVE US YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ABOUT WHAT THE HDRC IS GONNA DO TONIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S GONNA LAY ITS OWN VOTE DOWN OR IF IT'S GONNA BE WRAPPED IN A LARGER PIECE. 
          I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          WELL, I, I THINK THAT THE OVERALL VOTE IS ENCOMPASSES THE RELOCATION BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE COMING TO TOGETHER ON. 
          AND SO THE, THE LEASE ITSELF DOES SPEAK TO THE RELOCATION OF, OF, OF THE CAF. 
          AND, UH, AND SO I, I WOULD JUST, I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING IS, AND YOU USE THE EXAMPLE OF THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS AND THE, THE BATTLE OF FLOWERS DID WANT TO CUT THROUGH THE EXISTING SITE. 
          WHAT WE WORKED ON WAS CREATING A, A SYSTEM OUTSIDE OF THAT FOOTPRINT THAT CAN CREATE A CEREMONIAL ACTIVITY ZONE. 
          WE BELIEVE THE CEREMONIAL ACTIVITY ZONE, IN FACT CAN ALSO WORK IN CONCERT WITH, WITH HOW WE FINALIZE THE LOCATION OF THE SENATE STAFF. 
          AND H D R C IS VERY KEEN TO THAT THEY WILL BE A PART OF THAT OVERALL PROCESS. 
          AND, AND HOW I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, THAT THIS IS PART OF HOW THE SYNTA WILL ACTUALLY BE PART OF, OF AN OVERALL DESIGN AND SCHEME SO THAT IT IS NOT SIM SOMETHING THAT IS JUST THROWN INTO A CORNER OR EVEN DECIDED OVER THE LAST 24 HOURS, BUT THROUGH A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS OF DESIGN. 
          AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF TONIGHT THEY MAY MAKE A DECISION, BUT THEY WON'T MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER TO SEPARATE IT OUT OR VOTE IT SEPARATE. 
          THEY'RE, NO, THEY'RE JUST, OKAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GONNA GET, SOMETHING'S GONNA COME UP DIFFERENT NEXT WEEK OR THE POSSIBILITY FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UH, I'M JUST, I, I JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE SENATE TAF AND I HEAR FREQUENTLY AND FROM MY RESIDENTS THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT MOVED. 
          AND IT'S PROBABLY THE PREDOMINANT CONVERSATION I GET AND I'M STILL STRUGGLING TO GET THERE ON IT. 
          UM, THAT IT, THAT IT'S OKAY TO MOVE IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE AND THAT'LL, THAT'LL COME NEXT WEEK WHEN THE OVERALL AND THE WHOLE PLAN THOUGH, LOOK, I LIKE IT. 
          AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, TURNING THIS INTO SOMETHING AND I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND I'VE GONE DOWN THERE MANY TIMES. 
          AND, UM, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE MORE, I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO BE MORE, UH, AND IT NEEDS TO TELL THE BETTER STORY. 
          AND I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE QUEUING AND, AND THE TIME LIKE THAT. 
          I WAS AT VERSAILLES OVER THE SUMMER AND THEY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND THERE'S 10,000 PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN THERE. 
          IT'S A TOTAL NIGHTMARE. 
          LIKE, BUT ONCE YOU'RE IN IT'S WIDE OPEN SHOW, MAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE AND IT'S AMAZING. 
          YOU RUN AROUND AND YOU'RE A PART OF IT. 
          SO THE ACCESS THING TO COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL'S POINT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
          IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SOLID POINT, WHICH IS YOU DON'T NEED TO CUE THE PERSON. 
          YOU JUST, I MEAN, I, PEOPLE ARE, I THINK WILL INTUITIVELY FIND THE HOME. 
          I I'D ASK THE DESIGN FOLKS. 
          'CAUSE ONCE WE VOTE THIS, AND IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS, OUT OF OUR HANDS, SO I'D BE CONCERNED JUST ABOUT SOME OF THE ACCESS STUFF JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE, THAT THIS IS A FREE FLOWING SPACE THAT, UM, ALLOWS FOR GROWTH AND, AND STILL FOR IT TO BE A PIECE OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I, I'M OKAY GIVING IT UP TO THE STATE. 
          I TOTALLY AM. 
          I THINK GOOD PARTNERSHIP, GOOD LEASE, EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE. 
          BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT, THAT, THAT SPACE HAS A FREE FLOWING OPPORTUNITY AND PEOPLE CAN MOVE. 
          AND IF I SEE THAT, WHICH I THINK WE'RE THERE, UH, AS LONG AS WE HONOR THAT GOING FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE ONCE WE VOTED, IT'S GONE. 
          IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS. 
          AND, AND I'M, I'M WORRIED THAT WE LOSE SOME CONTROL OVER AT THAT POINT AND AT LEAST US RIGHT, IN REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO I THINK IT'S, UH, FANTASTIC WORK. 
          I THINK THE DESIGN TEAM'S GOT DONE A GREAT JOB AND THEY PRESENTED A, A, A PLAN THAT MAKES SENSE, NOT ON BOARD WITH ALL OF IT. 
          AND I'D ASK THAT WE CONTINUE TO WORK HARD ON THIS CTA PIECE, UH, AND THAT WE FOCUS ON THESE BUILDINGS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HONORING THE HISTORY THAT'S OCCURRED AS PART OF THIS PLAZA, UH, AND THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE. 
          AND THAT WE ALWAYS MAINTAIN WHAT THIS SHRINE IS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR ACROSS THE STATE. 
          UM, AND WE KEEP THAT FOCAL POINT FOCUSED ON HOW THAT PRODUCED THIS, THIS STATE, RIGHT? HOW PRODUCED, EXCUSE ME, HOW PRODUCE THE COUNTRY AND THEN IT PRODUCE THE STATE. 
          AND I THINK IF WE DO THAT, WE'LL HONOR THAT AND WE BRING IN OTHER HISTORIES AND, AND STORIES IN THIS THAT NEED TO BE TOLD, UH, AND NEED TO BE A PART OF IT. 
          AND I'M, I'M THANKFUL FOR THE WORK AND IT, UH, AND, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO AN OPPORTUNITY TO FINALLY VOTE THIS ON AND, AND LET'S GET MOVING TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN BHA. 
          COUNCILMAN VERAN, QUICK QUESTION ON THE LEASE. 
          NUMBER 10, INFORMATION SHARING. 
          UM, ANDY, IT SAYS THAT UPON REASONABLE RENT NOTICE CITY G L O WILL PERMIT ACCESS PREMISES, UM, TO INFORMATION SHARE ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          ARE WE STILL WHERE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE A PARTY TO SHARING THAT INFORMATION, WHATEVER THE GATHERED INFORMATION IS THAT HASN'T BEEN FINALIZED YET, IS THAT CORRECT? SO NO. 
          IN FACT, WE EXPECT THAT WOULD EVOLVE COUNCILWOMAN, OKAY. 
          AS WE GET, UH, OBVIOUSLY AS WE GET INITIAL DATA THAT GENERATES MORE QUESTIONS AND MORE IN TERMS OF, WELL, WE KNOW THIS, WHAT ABOUT THIS QUESTION? AND 
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SO THAT'S WHY IT'S MEANT TO EVOLVE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'M JUST THINKING IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COORDINATE WITH OTHER ENTITIES LIKE VISIT SAN ANTONIO AND OTHERS TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          SO, RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN GRO. 
          COUNCILMAN SALANA, MAYOR, I'LL, I'LL BE QUICK. 
          IT'LL JUST BE QUICK. 
          MAYBE FIVE MINUTES IF YOU'LL TIME ME. 
          BUT HERE, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE BIG ISSUE IN MY OWN HEAD AS A, AS A POLICYMAKER SET TO VOTE ON THIS NEXT WEEK, I AM LIKE, COUNCILMAN BROCK HOUSE ANXIOUS TO VOTE ON THIS. 
          AND I'M ANXIOUS BECAUSE THE STAKES ARE INCREDIBLY HIGH AND WE KNOW WHAT THIS MOVIE LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN NOTHING DONE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER, I'VE HAD EXPERIENCES, UH, TALKING TO FOLKS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED THE ALAMO, WHO HAVE TOLD ME ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO SEE IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
          NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER TOLD ME THAT AFTER SEEING THE ALAMO, THEY TURNED AROUND AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'D REALLY LIKE TO GO SEE A THREE D TOMB RAIDER EXPERIENCE. 
          WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATUS QUO BECAUSE AT STAKE, HERE IS THIS FALLING APART AND WE REMAIN IN THIS POSITION WHERE NOBODY'S HAPPY, BECAUSE THE ONE PIECE OF CONSENSUS AROUND, UH, THE ALAMO AND ITS, ITS ITS VISION FOR THE FUTURE IS THAT IT CAN'T STAY THE SAME AS IT IS TODAY. 
          SO NOBODY HAS A MONOPOLY ON THE BEST IDEA. 
          LIKE NOBODY HAS A MONOPOLY ON THE FINAL PRODUCT BECAUSE NOBODY HAS A MONOPOLY ON ALL THE RESOURCES THAT ARE GONNA BE NECESSARY TO BRING THE VISION TO BEAR. 
          SO TO THE EXTENT THAT PHIL COLLINS HAS HALF A BILLION DOLLARS LYING AROUND, NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE THEIR SAY AND, AND GET THAT PUSHED THROUGH. 
          SO WHAT THAT RESULT IS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT A COMPROMISE WITH THE G L O AND THE STATE, UH, LEGISLATORS, THE THE ENDOWMENT, THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND OF COURSE THE CITY AT THE CENTERPIECE OF THIS BECAUSE WE CONTROL, UH, THE ALAMO PLAZA. 
          SO LEMME JUST SAY CLEARLY WHAT, WHAT I SUPPORT, I SUPPORT THE CLOSURE OF THE ALAMO. 
          UH, I SUPPORT THE RELOCATION OF THE SENATE. 
          I SUPPORT A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. 
          BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT THE EXPERT AND I DON'T WANT, I DON'T EVEN WANNA PRETEND TO BE, BUT, YOU KNOW, A COUNCILMAN FERRY, YOU PUT OUT THE, THE VAR REPORT ARTICLE, AND I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION OF REDUCING THE GROUND FLOOR TO ITS ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. 
          UM, SO MAYBE IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THIS. 
          AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN TREVINO, UH, WALKED OUT, BUT IF, IF YOU'VE GOT A POINT THAT HAS SOME VALIDITY TO IT, WE SHOULD TALK THROUGH IT. 
          UM, SO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU TALK US THROUGH WHAT YOU THINK IS, IS THE SCIENCE BEHIND WHY WE SHOULDN'T DROP THE FOOTPRINT DOWN TO ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION, COUNCILMAN PERRY? SURE. 
          AGAIN, IT, IT GOES BACK TO THE FOUNDATION ISSUES ON, ON THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES. 
          AND WITH THE FOUNDATION ISSUES, IT'S ABOUT THE DAMPNESS OVER TIME ERODING AND, UH, CAUSING THE FOUNDATIONS TO CRUMBLE THE WALLS, TO CRUMBLE, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL PICTURES THAT I SHOWED UP THERE, IT WAS MUCH WORSE. 
          AND PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE THAT, THAT GROUND AREA WAS MUDDY. 
          IT, THERE WAS NO PAVEMENT. 
          IT WAS WET ALL THE TIME, OR MOST OF THE TIME. 
          AND THAT CAUSED A LOT OF THAT DAMP TO BE SOAKED INTO THE FOUNDATIONS AND INTO THE WALLS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT BLACK LINE ACROSS THERE. 
          AND OVER TIME, AS THE GROUND HAS BEEN BUILT UP AND WHERE IT IS TODAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, THERE'S A NATURAL DRAINAGE NOW AWAY FROM THOSE STRUCTURES SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT WATER SITUATION AND THE, AND THE, UH, DETERIORATION OF THE FOUNDATION AND THE WALLS. 
          IN FACT, THEY'VE DRIED OUT A LOT SINCE THOSE PICTURES BACK IN THE LATE 18 HUNDREDS. 
          SO MY COMMENT IS, WHY GO TO THAT EXPENSE? AND IT'S NOT JUST 16 INCHES IN MANY AS IT GETS CLOSER TO THE CHAPEL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 30 INCHES. 
          AND WHY GO IN AND TAKE OUT AND DISTURB THAT WHOLE AREA, WHICH IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT CLOSING THIS WHOLE AREA OFF DURING CONSTRUCTION, WHAT THE, UH, FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES ARE, UH, OF VISITORS AND PEOPLE COMING HERE TO SAN ANTONIO NOT BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, UH, WHY DO THAT IF, IF IT HAS IMPROVED OVER TIME? AND WHY GO IN THERE AND DISTURB ALL OF THAT VEGETATION, ALL THE TREES, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE GROWN OVER, YOU KNOW, THE 200 YEARS? YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG THING TO ME, IS WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO TO THAT EXTENT. 
          WELL, I READ THAT, I READ THAT IN YOUR, YOUR ARTICLE, AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THOSE FACTS OUT THERE. 
          AND I WANTED JUST SAY THAT. 
          DID, DID YOU KNOW THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS? DID WE NOT THINK ABOUT THAT OVER TWO YEARS? UM, I'D LIKE TO ASK DOUG MCDONALD TO 
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COMMENT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS EXPERTS THAT HAVE DONE THIS ANALYSIS ABOUT THE BUILDING, AND AS WE KNOW OVER TIME, THE AREA'S BEEN FILLED IN. 
          AND SO IT, THE ORIGINAL WAS AT LEAST 18 INCHES TO 20 INCHES LOWER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY. 
          DOUG, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT? SO, SO WE, WE HAVE STONE CONSERVATORS WHO ARE SPECIALISTS IN THIS TYPE AND STONES, AND THERE'S BASICALLY TWO OF THEM THAT ARE LIKE THE LEADING EXPERTS IN THE COUNTRY. 
          WE'VE HAD BOTH OF THEM THAT HAVE WORKED ON THIS, HAVE LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT, UH, AND THEY REALLY, THE STONE IS NOT STABLE AND IT'S LESS STABLE, IT'S DETERIORATING MORE TODAY THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. 
          WHAT WE, SO THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          WE, WE, THERE'S SOME THINGS WE KNOW AND THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN'T DETERMINE. 
          WE'RE STARTING THE PROCESS IN NOVEMBER OF ACTUALLY PUTTING, UH, PROBES THAT'LL GO INTO THE GROUND BECAUSE WE, WE ARE PRETTY SURE ABOUT WHAT THE GROUND LEVELS ARE. 
          WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY MEASURE ALL THAT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY DECIDE WHAT THAT FINAL REMEDY IS. 
          THERE'S A YEAR AND A HALF OF OBSERVATION AND ANALYSIS THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE, AND WE'RE GONNA DETECT WHAT THE MAIN MOISTURE IS ALL THE WAY DOWN, PROBABLY FOUR FEET INTO THE GROUND AND ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE WALLS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, SO WHAT I KNOW FOR CERTAIN IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE DATA IN A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR THE PRESERVATION OF CHURCH. 
          AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BEST EXPERTS WHO WORK ON THESE KINDS OF STRUCTURES IN THE ENTIRE, IN THE ENTIRE NATION, THAT ARE ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING. 
          WELL, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE I THINK EVERY TEXAN IN THE STATE WOULD BE UPSET AT US IF WE DID NOT SLOW STALL OR SOMEHOW MITIGATE THE DETERIORATION OF THE CHURCH. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS THE ICON OF, OF, YOU KNOW, NAME IT, WHETHER IT'S THE CENTERPIECE OF THE HISTORY, CENTERPIECE OF THE BATTLE. 
          AND MY, MY MY OWN REFLECTION ON THIS IS, UH, TWO YEARS AGO THERE WAS, I BELIEVE BY YOUR DIRECTION OR THE DIRECTION OF SOME OTHER EXPERTS WHO WERE LOOKING AT THIS, A PLACEMENT OF, YOU KNOW, BLACK CARDBOARD AT THE BOTTOM TO SORT OF CAPTURE THE, THE, THE FALLING OF SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE CHURCH AROUND IT. 
          IT WAS LIT, LITERALLY DISINTEGRATING AND DETERIORATING, AND IT WAS VISIBLE ON, ON THE BLACK, UH, CARPETED PERIOD. 
          WE PICKED IT ALL UP, WE FILLED JARS WITH IT. 
          WE'RE MEASURING IT, WE'RE TESTING IT BY SECTION OFF OF THE WALLS TO TELL WHAT THAT COMES FROM. 
          UH, PAM ROSSER, WHO IS OUR CONSERVATOR SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT, SHE'S WORKED IN THAT CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE LOOKS AT THIS BUILDING EVERY DAY UP CLOSE. 
          SHE'S A TRAINED CONSERVATOR. 
          SHE TELLS YOU IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, NEEDS TO FIX, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND L LAST THING, MAYOR ON, I I DO, I DO HOPE THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS ON, ON HOW, HOW IT IS THAT WE WOULD MOVE THE SENATE T THE 500 FEET, UH, I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. 
          THE CITY HAS SOME, SOME EXPERIENCE MOVING, UH, WHAT WE DID IN 1985, SEVERAL BLOCKS, FAIRMONT HOTEL, 3 MILLION, 3 MILLION POUND BUILDING, UH, SEVERAL BLOCKS, WHICH WAS A 79 YEAR OLD STRUCTURE. 
          THIS CTA WOULD BE AN 82 YEAR OLD STRUCTURE. 
          WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE MOVING THESE THINGS. 
          SO I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE THAT IN ITS NEW LOCATION, IT WOULD BE INTACT IN A WAY THAT, UH, I THINK WE, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE RESPECT AND THE, THE, THE HONOR THAT SOME FOLKS, UH, HAVE SEEN AND, AND, AND REALLY BREATHED INTO THE SENATE HALF THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WEREN'T REALLY THAT AWARE OF, UH, BEFORE WE GOT INTO THIS WHOLE VISIONING PROCESS. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 
          LIKE I SAID, MAYOR, I'M ANXIOUS, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS TO FALL APART AS IT HAS IN THE PAST. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMAN SALDANA. 
          AND TO OUR SPEAKERS AND PRESENTERS AND TO MY COLLEAGUES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THIS DONE NEXT WEEK. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, WE ARE GONNA DELAY OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION UNTIL TOMORROW. 
          UH, SO WE WILL BE RECESSED UNTIL OUR PUBLIC HEARING, OUR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD NORMALLY SCHEDULED FOR 6:00 PM THANK YOU.
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