* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:58] ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US. JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. UH, TODAY IS MAY 19TH, 2022. THIS IS THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE MEETING NUMBER TWO OF THE 2021 NATIONAL FIRE CODE. UH, BEFORE WE START OFF REAL QUICK, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO OUR INTERPRETATION ANNOUNCEMENT. I'M GONNA START THIS. LOS CIOS, THE INTERPRET. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. NEXT WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL FOR QUORUM. WILLIAM BUR PRESENT. KAREN CARPENTER LEWIS OCULUS. ROBERT HENLEY. HERE. BRIAN SMITH. JOES HERE. MIKE RUST. HERE. MARK ROSS. HERE. JACK TMORE. HERE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE QUORUM CHAIR. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO GO OVER THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE IS A ITEM THAT WE REVIEWED AT THE FIRST MEETING. UM, IT'S SECTION 3 0 8 POINT.ONE POINT OR WHATEVER. NO, I 3 0 8 1 4. NO, THAT, THAT WOULD BE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE WOULD BE, UM, MEETING MINUTES. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE ALSO HAD PUBLIC COMMENTS BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT POINT. OKAY. SORRY TO JUMPING AHEAD OF YOU ON THAT ONE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO PUBLIC COMMENTS COME BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A MEMBER OF PUBLIC WANTS TO THAT'S YES, CORRECT. YEAH. WE HAVE A MEMBER OF PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO ADDRESS 3 0 8. OKAY. POINT ONE FOUR. AND YOU'LL JUST, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIR, IF YOU COULD JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE MICROPHONE AND OKAY. BEFORE WE START. NAME'S. GEORGE PAVLIK. ADDRESS IS 1802 EAGLE MEADOW, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 8. OKAY. NAME IS GEORGE PAVLIK. UH, ADDRESS IS 1802 EAGLE MEADOW, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 8. UM, I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF WHATEVER THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, IS, UM, SUGGESTED FOR CHANGES TO THIS AMENDMENT, UH, TO THIS SECTION 3 0 8, 1 0.4. UM, I'M A HOMEOWNER WITH A, A GARDEN HOME, A CONTINUOUS, A ZERO LOT LINE GARDEN HOME. AND IT HAS BRICK, BRICK CONSTRUCTION ALL THE WAY AROUND. AND SO I'VE GOT CONTINUOUS SOFFITS ALL THE WAY AROUND. WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 1985, WHICH IS PRIOR TO SAN ANTONIO ANNEX IN THE AREA, THE ISSUE I HAD IS I HAD A NEW NEIGHBOR COME IN THAT COME IN, UH, MOVE NEXT TO ME ON THE LINE THAT BEGINS THE FULL, FULL SOLID BRICK WALL. AND SO WHAT THEY ENDED UP DOING WAS, IS I DON'T, I DON'T, I MEAN, THEY LIKE TO BARBECUE. I DON'T I STOP ANYBODY FROM DOING THAT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THEY WERE DOING THAT UNDER MY SOFFITS. AND SO I HAD TO BASICALLY, UH, I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE NEIGHBOR OVER A NUMBER OF, UH, MONTHS AND YEARS, AND FINALLY JUST WAS WORRIED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMBUSTIBLE PARTICULATES GETTING IN THE ATTIC. I WOULD GET A SMOKE SMELL IN THE HOUSE AND, UM, I WAS WORRIED ABOUT TRYING TO GET THE SMOKE. IT'S NOT OUT OF THE HOUSE IF YOU EVER GO TO SELL IT. 'CAUSE THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. UM, WHEN I GET TO THIS POINT, I, I ATTEMPTED, LIKE I SAID, TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR. I ENDED UP CALLING OUT, UH, SAN ANTONIO CODE COMPLIANCE. UH, THEY LOOKED IN THE CODE. THERE WAS NOTHING IN BLACK AND WHITE. I WENT TO LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, ASKED THEM WHAT I COULD DO. UM, THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT THEY COULD DO FOR ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO LOOK AT YOUR CODE BOOK, YOU TAKE CARE OF IT FOR AN A, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND A OPEN FLAME OVER, UH, OPEN FLAME DEVICE OVER ON A, AN APARTMENT PATIO. AND YOU KIND OF ADDRESS IT FOR, I'LL SAY FAMILY DWELLINGS. UM, AS LONG AS IT'S 10 FEET FROM THE HOME. [00:05:01] BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ZERO LOT LINE GARDEN HOMES, IT DOESN'T. SO I THINK THAT WHAT, WHAT WE'RE AMENDING OR PROPOSING IS TO STRIKE THOSE DWELLING REFERENCES AND JUST MAKE IT 10 FEET, UH, OF A 10 FOOT GOAL. UM, I DO HAVE A PICTURE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE A PICTURE. OH, YOU HAVE A DOCUMENTED VIEWER RIGHT HERE. I GOTTA GET ME ONE OF THOSE . BUT YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IS MY HOUSE. THE HOUSE ON THE RIGHT IS MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. YOU HAVE THE 10 FOOT EASEMENT, YOU'VE GOT A GRILL THERE. AND I'VE GOT, I'M POINTING, I'VE GOT AN ARROW POINTING TO THE SOFFITS BELOW. SO LIKE I SAID, HE LOVES TO SMOKE BARBECUE, JUST, YEAH. UM, HE LOVES TO BARBECUE. AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA STOP ANYBODY FROM DOING THAT. I, I DO TOO, BUT I TRY AND MAKE SURE I'M 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE HOMES. UM, QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, PLEASE JACK UP MORE HERE. IT'S SHOWING 10 FOOT EASEMENT. HOW, HOW WIDE IS THAT AREA FROM YOUR WALL TO THAT BRICK WALL? OR, OR FROM RESIDENT RATHER? FROM RESIDENT TO RESIDENT? FROM STUCCO AREA TO BRICK WALL IS 10 FEET. 10 FEET. YEAH. FROM MY, FROM HIS WALL ENDING TO MY WALL BEGINNING IS 10 FEET. THAT'S THE WAY THESE HOMES ARE BUILT. ALL THE EASEMENT GOES ON ONE SIDE. ARE THESE, UH, SORRY, ROBERT HANLEY ARE THESE ZERO LOT LINES? THESE ARE ALL ZERO LOT LINE GARDEN HOMES. AND SO, UH, WHERE YOU GET INTO TROUBLE, I THINK IN HERE, AND AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, I'M AN IT GUY. SO, UH, I WORRY, LIKE I SAID ABOUT PARTICULATE, COMBUSTIBLE MATTER, GETTING IN THROUGH THE CONTINUOUS SOFFITS. AND I, IF I COULD SMELL SMOKE IN THE HOUSE, FIRST TIME I THOUGHT IT, I THOUGHT I HAD A FIRE IN THE ATTIC BECAUSE I WASN'T THROUGH THE HOUSE AND LOOKED EVERYWHERE AND PUTTING THAT TO BED. LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHAT I ENDED UP. YOU, YOU DO UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS JUST A 10 FOOT FROM, AS MR. EPMO SAID, FROM THE WALL TO THE STUCCO WALL, UH, HE COULDN'T HAVE ANY GRILL OUT THERE. WELL, NOT IN THIS AREA, BUT THE BACK OF THE LOTS ARE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SHOW YOU. I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE, I THINK OF THE BACK OF THE LOTS. UM, LET ME SEE, LET ME, HERE'S A GOOD IDEA. IS THAT SMOKER THAT'S THERE UP AGAINST HIS HOUSE? IT'S UP AGAINST HIS HOUSE. YES, SIR. AND THEN YOUR HOUSE IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE WHITE PIPE? MINE HAS THE WHITE PIPE AND THE BRICK ON. YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE, BUT THERE'S A WHITE PIPE THERE. IT'S, THAT'S ALL HIS, IT'S ALL IN HIS, IN THE EASEMENT, BUT IT'S ALL IN HIS AREA. YEAH. YEAH. SO ISN'T YOUR GRILL RIGHT UP AGAINST YOUR HOUSE TOO? THIS IS ALL HIS, THIS IS ALL HIS PROPERTY. OH, THIS IS ALL HIS PROPERTY? YES. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT. AND SO, SO HIS GRILL IS UP AGAINST YOUR HOUSE? YES. YES. CHERYL LOT LINE. YEAH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I MEAN, WHEN HIS WIFE ENDED UP RESOLVING IT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER SHE SAW A CODE COMPLIANCE OUTSIDE MY HOUSE FOR AN HOUR AND I HAD GONE TO AN ATTORNEY TO SEE WHAT CHOICES I HAD, UM, THAT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT A PROCESS WHEN YOU'VE GOT A, UH, A NEIGHBOR. BUT, YOU KNOW, I GENERALLY HELP EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT BEING SAID, SHE ENDED UP HAVING SOME DISCUSSION WITH THE HUSBAND. I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT, BUT HE ENDED UP MOVING HIS GRILL. BUT MY CONCERN IS, IS WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS OUT THERE THAT ARE IN THE SAME PREDICAMENT OR COULD HAVE THE SAME PREDICAMENT OCCUR? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA SAVE THESE FIRE GUYS FROM HAVING TO GO DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOO. SO A QUESTION I HAVE IS, IF WE STRUCK THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BARBECUE ANYWHERE IN HIS YARD. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THIS OTHER PICTURE, UH, THIS RIGHT HERE, HE'S GOT A LOT OF ROOM IN THE BACK. YEAH. SO THESE LOTS I THINK ARE 55 WIDE, A HUNDRED AND 110 FEET DEEP. AND THERE'S JUST A QUESTION, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA, NOT THAT MAYBE IT DOESN'T PERTAIN, BUT HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF GARDEN HOMES DO WE HAVE FOR THIS SITUATION? I DO NOT KNOW. I I KNOW YOU DON'T, BUT I WAS JUST, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA? THOUSANDS PROBABLY. SO IF THEY, IF THE GRILL WAS NOT UNDER A SOFFIT, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT? OH, YES SIR. YEAH. SO I, I MEAN, I, I THINK HAVING A GRAIL UNDER A SOFFIT THAT HAS SOFFIT [00:10:01] VENTS IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA. WELL, AND AS JOE BROUGHT UP, UH, WELL, WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING IT IS, YOU KNOW, CURRENT RULES ARE, THOSE HAVE TO BE ENCLOSED WITH A ONE HOUR FIRE RATING IN UNDER TODAY'S RULES. BUT IN 85 THAT, THAT, THAT OPEN SOFFIT FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR AIR CIRCULATION WAS JUST A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. AND THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR SITUATION. THAT'S THE REASON I WAS BRINGING UP, THAT THERE'S THOUSANDS OF THESE OUT THERE, UH, HOMES, GARDEN HOMES AND YOU KNOW, FRANKLY BUILT QUITE A FEW OF THEM. AND OVER THE YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT YOU'RE, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A NEIGHBORLY ISSUE. YEP. LIKE, ARE THEY GONNA MAINTAIN THEIR SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE? YEAH. SO TO SPEAK. AND IN THIS REGARD, IT'S, ARE THEY GONNA, YOU KNOW, PUMP SMOKE UP INTO YOUR ATTIC? YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALMOST, I GUESS WE DON'T HEAR THAT MUCH OF THAT. 'CAUSE THAT'S MORE OF A, I I HATE TO SAY IT, DISRESPECTFUL, BUT THAT'S KIND OF DISRESPECTFUL. WELL, ROBERT, LIKE I SAID, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT NOT ONLY OTHER HOMEOWNERS IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHEN THIS HAPPENS. UM, YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU. I JUST DON'T THINK YOU CAN SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T BARBECUE OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE. NO, I DON'T WORRY. I THINK YOU, ARE YOU OKAY WITH GO AHEAD, ROBERT. FEET AWAY OR SOMETHING, BUT NOT DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH, I WOULD SAY NO, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A BIG BARBECUE IN THEIR BACKYARD AND IF THEY SMOKE UP THE PLACE AS BAD AS I DO, SOMETIMES EVEN FIVE FEET OFF OF MY PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA PROBABLY GET SOME SMOKE IN YOURS BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OPEN SOFFIT. IF THAT WAS MY HOUSE, I'D CLOSE THAT SOFFIT OFF AND PUT A FULL HARDY ALL THE WAY ACROSS THERE AND SEAL OFF THAT SIDE. AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT ISSUE. YEAH. THAT SOFF IS 80 FEET LONG. YEAH. THIS IS, THIS IS ROBERT LEY. I NOTICED THAT THE OTHER THING IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS, UH, THAT IS OF A CONCERN IS NOT ONLY THE GRILL, BUT HE'S GOT A, A PROPANE HEATER. THAT'S WHAT, FOUR FEET FROM THE SOFFIT? YEAH. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT IN ACTUALLY IN USE. YEAH. I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT HE MOVES IT . YEAH. MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS ADDRESSES OPEN FLAME COOKING DEVICES, WHICH MEANS THAT PROPANE HEATER OPENED TO WARM UP. THAT 10 FOOT OF SPACE IS NOT ADDRESSED. AND IT COULD BE RIGHT UNDER YOUR SOFFIT AND, AND A CLOSE YOUR PROXIMITY TO THE GRILL. UH, MY RECOMMENDATION, UNLESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS SOMETHING, CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO FIVE FEET THEN IT PULLS, UH, THOSE DEVICES OFF, UH, THE OWNER'S PROP OFF HIS WALL AND IT PUTS IT ON THE HOMEOWNER'S WHO HAS THE OPEN COOKING DEVICES ALONG HIS PROPERTY. HOWEVER, ROBERT, IF YOU TAKE THE FIVE FEET LINE, THAT MEANS NOWHERE IN THAT AREA CAN THEY BARBECUE? YES. ON HIS, IF IT'S 10 FOOT MARK, UH, YOU CAN, SO CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE SAFE? THAT'S KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE ADJACENT MM-HMM. . BUT BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE LIKE, UM, GET INTO MICROMANAGING THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS ONE SPECIFIC INCIDENT IN, IN INSTANCE, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER POINTS TO MAKE. YOU KNOW, TWO FIRST WOULD BE THIS, UH, LP GAS COOKING DEVICE EXCEPTION NUMBER THREE. IT LOOKS LIKE A GAS GRILL THAT'S UP UNDER YOUR SOFFIT. SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWED HIM TO DO THIS ANYWAY. CORRECT. OH, OKAY. THAT'S LITTLE TWO AND A HALF POUND. I GOT YOU. THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, AGAIN, TO THE FIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT, IF THIS EXCEPTION WAS STRUCK AND I AM A, A HOMEOWNER WITH A, UH, LET'S SAY I HAVE AN ACRE LOT, WHICH I, I DON'T PERSONALLY, BUT LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR POINT OF ARGUMENT AND I DECIDE TO PUT MY GRILL UP AGAINST MY HOUSE UNDER MY SOFFIT, WOULD I BE THEN YOU WOULD THEN BE OBLIGATED TO ENFORCE THAT THIS CODE PROVISION AGAINST ME, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MY OWN HOME AND, AND I JUST DECIDED TO PUT IT THERE. CORRECT? THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS CHRIS MONAS, DEAR DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD WHEN CONTEMPLATING THIS ONE AS WELL. AND SO, UM, I KNOW THE CODE READS THAT THERE ARE THREE EXCEPTIONS THERE. UM, OUR AMENDMENTS, WE ACTUALLY STRUCK NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE. SO THE ONLY EXCEPTION THAT WE ALLOWED WAS, WAS EXCEPTION NUMBER ONE, UH, IN OUR AMENDMENTS. AND WE, OUR, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HERE, YOU KNOW, UH, TO CHANGE IT TO FIVE FEET, THAT THAT WOULD HINDER OUR ENFORCEMENT ABILITY AND OTHER TYPES OF, OF, UH, OCCUPANCIES. AND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND KEEPING IT AT 10 FEET. AND IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF EXCEPTION MADE FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS WITH FIVE FEET, THEN THE LANGUAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC TO ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS OR TWO ZERO LOT LINE, UH, PROPERTIES OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, UH, YEAH, IT IS PROBLEMATIC WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SUCH A GLOBAL, UH, GLOBAL AMENDMENT OR GLOBAL RESTRICTION [00:15:01] ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO WHAT IF WE DID, I'M JUST THROWING, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THIS, BUT I'M JUST THROWING OUT HERE AS AN OPTION. WHAT IF WE ASK STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A AMENDMENT THAT IS, DOESN'T STRIKE ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS, BUT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES WHAT WE COMMONLY CALL ZERO LOT LINE HOMES LIKE WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE, JUST TO SEE WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT. IS THAT, IS THAT A REASONABLE, UM, APPROACH TO THIS? AND THEN MIKE, WHEN THEY DO THAT, I WOULD MAKE IT FIVE FEET AWAY FROM AN ADJACENT. THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY PROPERTY SO THAT THEY WANT TO PUT IT UP AGAINST THEIR HOUSE AND SMOKE THEIR ATTIC OUT. 'CAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A NUISANCE THAN IT IS A REAL BIG TIME FIRE HAZARD. SO AS FAR AS THE RULES OF ORDER GO HERE, I THINK MAYBE WE, ANYWAY, SIR, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE COMMITTEE. APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME A CHANCE, UH, WITH THAT. AND, AND I THINK, UM, I, WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS ONCE WE GET INTO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OFFICIAL WORK OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT THAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE AN APPROACH THAT WE TAKE. OKAY. UM, SO YOU, YOU WON'T WALK OUTTA HERE WITHOUT, WITH ANY SATISFACTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I APOLOGIZE. BUT, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN TO, TO TALK TO US. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS, UM, A FEW MORE DAYS OR EVEN A FEW MORE MONTHS. AIN'T GONNA MATTER. , THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. AND JUST THE PICTURE'S DOWN, BUT YOU KNOW, WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT LITTLE GAS GRILL. THE GAS GRILL WASN'T AN ISSUE. YEAH. THIS GUYS'S HAD A FULL BLOWN STOVE PIPE SMOKER ABOUT EIGHT FOOT TALL WITH A NO, THE GAS GI GRILL WAS THE ISSUE. SO THAT SMOKER, THE BIG OLD SMOKER, THERE WASN'T PROBLEM. THAT'S OVER BY HIS HOUSE. IT WASN'T REALLY, IT WASN'T REALLY, UM OKAY. CAUSING ANY CONCERNS OVER MY HOUSE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. MM-HMM. , IF I NEED TO LEAVE THESE, SIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO LET'S THEN GET INTO ITEM NUMBER ONE OR TWO, WHICH IS THE MINUTES. WELL, I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE CRYSTAL HAD FOR US. IS IT, IS THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN BE HEARD? OKAY. OKAY. SO, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, RECEIVED THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. UM, IF THERE'S NO CHANGE THAT ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THEM. ROBERT HANLEY MOVE APPROVAL. THANK YOU, ROBERT. JACK. COUPLE MORE SECOND. THANK YOU, JACK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION CHANGES ON THE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES. PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. SOUNDS, SOUNDS UNANIMOUS. AND WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, GENERAL ITEM NUMBER TWO IS JUST THE GENERIC ONE WE'RE HAVING. IF WE EVER NEEDED TO ADD A COMMITTEE MEMBER TO THE BOARD OR TO THIS COMMITTEE AT A TIME. UH, UH, RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY SO WE CAN, CAN TABLE THIS ONE. MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. ALRIGHT, SO I DIDN UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION OF 2021 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND PREPARE CHANGES AND PROPOSE CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS. UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF FROSTO. THANK YOU. CHIEF, BEFORE YOU START, LEMME JUST, CAN I JUST SAY A COUPLE QUICK THINGS? UH, ANDRE, I SEE YOU OVER THERE. UM, PLEASE. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE FORMAL THAN WE'VE NORMALLY DONE THESE, SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, JUST PIPE IN WHENEVER, PLEASE. AND THAT GOES FOR ANYBODY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CROWD. AND THEN, UH, SO CHIEF, I, I THINK THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR SHEET HERE IS THIS 3 0 3 0 8 0.1 0.4. SO CAN WE JUST, UH, ADDRESS THAT AS A COMMITTEE REAL FAST, UH, BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MEAT OF EVERYTHING ELSE YOU HAD. SO, UH, TO THE COMMITTEE ARE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT SOLUTION OF ASKING STAFF TO GO BACK AND JUST, IF WE DID SOME KIND OF AMENDMENT FOR THIS, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN THE NEXT MEETING. IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO EVERYONE? ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, I'D, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT MAYBE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD LOOK AT SECTION 3 0 8 2, WHICH IS, UH, AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS ADDED AND, UM, IT MIGHT BE ADDING ADDITIONAL OCCUPANCIES SUCH AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND ADDING LANGUAGE, UM, OTHER THAN YOUR OWN HOME AND ADDING COOKING DEVICES THERE. AND THEN WE'RE ONLY TOUCHING ONE AMENDMENT. CAN YOU GIVE THE THE SECTION AGAIN? IT'S, IT'S AN AMENDMENT. UH, 3 0 8 0.4 0.2. IT'S NOT IN THE BOOK. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, [00:20:01] ANDRE GARABEDIAN, PLEASE. JUST SOME ADDED LANGUAGE. IF YOU CLEANED IT UP TO SAY ONE IN TWO FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS, YOU MIGHT BE IN BETTER SHAPE. SO THE EXCEPTION WOULD APPLY TO ONE IN TWO FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS WHERE THOSE DWELLINGS DON'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT ON SOMEBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. I, I THINK THAT IF WE DIRECT STAFF TO LOOK AT 3 0 8 1 4 AND 3 0 8 4 2, AND BETWEEN THOSE TWO AMENDMENTS AND, UH, EXCEPTIONS COME UP WITH SOME KIND LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION AND WE CAN REVISIT IT NEXT, NEXT TIME. THANKS WILLIAM FOR BRINGING THAT OTHER, UH, AMENDMENT UP. IT SEEMS ON POINT. OKAY, CHIEF, UM, SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL KICK IT TO YOU, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH STARTS A SERIES OF SEVERAL THAT WE TABLED AT OUR LAST MEETING JUST TO, SORRY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY RECEIVED A COPY AND HAS A HARD COPY OF THE AGENDA. OKAY. YES SIR. SO, UM, WE ARE DOWN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH WAS TABLED FROM THE LAST MEETING. AND THAT IS, UM, 5 0 7. IT'S SECTION 5 0 7 0.5 0.11 RELATED TO FIRE HYDRANT LOCATION. UH, THIS WAS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S DEALING WITH PORTABLE CLASSROOMS IN SCHOOLS, WE, UH, DECIDED TO HOLD OFF AND, UM, MAKE SURE TO ENGAGE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND GO THROUGH THE I L A PROCESS. SO, SO YOU WHATEVER WAS THERE LAST TIME IS GONNA STAY. I'M SORRY, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA DO IT NOW OR THE NEXT CODE CYCLE? YES. CHIEF MONASTERY AND I, UH, TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE REALIZE THAT IT'S KIND OF SHORT TIMING. THIS IS CHIEF MONER. YEAH, THE RECOMMENDATION. THIS, THIS WILL NOT BE ADOPTED. SO, UM, LIKE, UH, CHIEF RAOW MENTIONED, UH, IT, IT'LL, IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT GOES THROUGH THE, UH, IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT, UH, THE CITY HAS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. SO THIS ITEM TWO, UM, SHOULD SAY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. NO. AND SO WE'RE GONNA PUSH THIS ONE TO THE NEXT CYCLE. THAT'S, THAT'S SOUND. YES. WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT IT AS WRITTEN. SO NO AMENDMENT, UM, ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOVING ON. OKAY. SO WE'LL GO TO THREE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO ITEMS 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, AND 11 ARE ALL RELATED TO THE EMERGENCY RADIO RESPONSE COVERAGE SYSTEM. AND THOSE ITEMS ARE ALL BEING TABLED UNTIL MEETING NUMBER THREE BECAUSE WE ARE STILL DISCUSSION, DISCUSSING WITH STAFF AND TRYING TO FINALIZE THE, UH, LANGUAGE CHIEF, WE ARE MAKING EXCEPTIONAL PROGRESS TODAY. THANK YOU . YES, IT IS, UH, THE NUMBERS THREE THROUGH 11. SURE. SO WE'LL GO TO ITEM 12. YES. ITEM 12 WAS ALSO TABLED. IT IS SECTION 7 0 3 0.2 AND 7 0 4 0.2. AND WE HAVE THE AMENDMENT AMENDED LANGUAGE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN FROM THE, UH, DRAFT COPY OF THE FINAL AMENDMENTS. AND ON THIS ONE, THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP LAST TIME WAS THE, UM, THAT WE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY THE TIMEFRAMES FOR INSPECTION. AND THOSE WERE ADDRESSED WITH THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, WHICH SPECIFIES THAT SUCH SYSTEMS SHALL BE INSPECTED AND TESTED BY THE OWNER OR OCCUPANT ANNUALLY AND PROPERLY MAINTAINED IN AN OPERATIVE CONDITION AT ALL TIMES. [00:25:01] RECORDS OF INSPECTIONS, TESTS AND REPAIRS SHALL BE MAINTAINED AND MADE AVAILABLE TO THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL UPON REQUEST. SO THIS IS A RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT TO 7 0 3 0.2 AND 7 0 4 0.2 THAT READ IDENTICALLY. AND IF I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION LAST TIME, IT HAD TO DO WITH WHEN THOSE REPAIRS ARE MADE, WHAT ARE, WHAT WAS THE INSPECTION STANDARD? SO DOES THIS ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP? CAN I ASK, I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD, MARK. SO IF THEY DAMAGE IT, REPAIR IT, INSPECT IT, WHY ARE THEY HAVING TO THEN DO IT ANNUALLY? WHY ARE THEY HAVING TO WHAT? I'M SORRY. THE WAY I READ THIS, AND I MAY BE READING IT INCORRECTLY, IS THEY DAMAGE IT, FIX IT, GET IT INSPECTED, EVERYTHING'S OKAY. WHY ARE THEY THEN HAVING TO GO INSPECT IT EVERY YEAR AFTER THAT? WELL, THEY JUST HAVE TO KEEP RECORDS OF ANY DAMAGE REPAIR, UH, THAT IS DONE AT THAT LOCATION AND KEEP THAT, YOU KNOW, REC RECORD ON, ON THE PREMISE IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH. FIRE STOP SYSTEMS OVER TIME IN A BUILDING SHRINK AND CRACK AND SOMETIMES, UH, INSTALLERS WILL MOVE A PIPE, IT'LL ACTUALLY PUSH THE PENETRATION FIRE STOP OUT OF THE WALL. SO, UH, THEY DO TEND TO BE DAMAGED OVER TIME. MY ONLY QUESTION WAS THE ONE YEAR FREQUENCY, UM, MAY NOT SEEM LIKE MUCH FOR A BUILDING WITH JUST A FEW PENETRATIONS, BUT, UH, LARGER BUILDINGS WITH HUNDREDS OF PENETRATIONS, IT COULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO INSPECT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. IS THIS INSPECTION REQUIREMENT JUST FOR KNOWN DAMAGES OR IS IT FOR THE ENTIRE YES SIR. NO, IT IS NOT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THERE'S NO, UM, SPECIFIED FREQUENCY OF, OF VISUAL INSPECTION OR TESTING. IT IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE ANY ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED AND REPAIRED AND THEY WOULD HAVE, UH, RECORDS TO, TO PROVE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE. IF THERE WAS ANY DAMAGE IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S, SO MY, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO REALLY THE BURDEN IS ON THE OWNER TO ADDRESS THIS AND PROVE THAT THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT BY CORRESPONDENCE. THERE'S NO ENGAGEMENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THIS PURPOSE? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND THIS ACTUALLY WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS, UH, BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND UM, THIS WAS JUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANTED US TO CLARIFY, BUT WITH THE WORD ANNUALLY IN THERE, IT MEANS THAT YOU, IF YOU DAMAGE IT, FIX IT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO GO INSPECT THE DAMAGE OVER. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE STRIKE THE WORD ANNUALLY AND THE WORD AND BECAUSE YOU WELL, NO, ANNUALLY BECAUSE IT, IT SAYS IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN INSPECTION RECORD THAT YOU WENT AND LOOKED AT IT EVERY YEAR AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE A FIRE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THE HOOK FOR A LOT OF ZEROS. YEAH. SO THE ORIGINAL CODE THAT WE'RE AMENDING DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT INSPECTION. THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU, IF SOMETHING BREAKS, YOU FIX IT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. RIGHT, EXACTLY. ADDING THIS INSPECTION DOES SEEM RATHER, AN ANNUAL INSPECTION DOES SEEM RATHER ONEROUS AND IT DOES SEEM TO CREATE, LIKE MARK SAID, A KIND OF A CAUSE OF ACTION POTENTIALLY. UM, AND THEN AGAIN, YOU THINK ABOUT A BUILDING THAT CHANGES HANDS 10 YEARS FROM NOW. DOES THAT INFORMATION GET PASSED ALONG ABOUT WHICH REPAIRS NEED TO BE INSPECTED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA? RIGHT. UH, WOULD THE DEPARTMENT BE SATISFIED IF WE ELIMINATED THE INSPECTION AND, AND JUST SAID, YOU REPAIR IT, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED OR, OR I'M SORRY IF THERE'S DAMAGE NEEDS TO BE FIXED. I MEAN MAYBE IF THERE'S, IF IF IF THERE'S AN INSPECTION OF IT HAD, MAYBE IT'S A ONE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REPAIRS DONE CORRECTLY. I, I DON'T KNOW. I'LL DEFER TO SOME OF THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. RIGHT. ACTUALLY JUST REALIZED ON SECTION 7 0 3 AND 7 0 4, THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF TIED TOGETHER. 'CAUSE THE, UH, SAME QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP DURING THE LAST MEETING AND, UH, IT'S OUR ERROR WE SHOULD NOT HAVE ADDED ANNUALLY. SO THE INTENT IS, IS TO, UM, PUT THE ONUS ON THE OWNER OR OCCUPANT TO ENSURE THAT ANY REPAIRS NEEDED ARE TAKEN CARE OF. SO WE REPAIR IT, WE DOCUMENT THAT WE MADE THE REPAIR AND THEN END OF STORY. YES. AND THEN AS OTHER REPAIRS ARE REQUIRED, WE DO THE SAME PROCESS AGAIN. YES. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? NO. ALRIGHT. LET'S, I MEAN, IT, IT, [00:30:01] IT SAYS CLEARLY ON HERE OPERATIVE CONDITION AT ALL TIMES. NOT ANNUALLY, BUT AT ALL TIMES. SO IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN AN ANNUAL SITUATION. IT'S ALL THE FRICKEN TIME. TAKE CARE OF YOUR STUFF RIGHT. AND HAVE THE RECORDS UPON REQUEST. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR, BUT YEAH, I THINK ANNUALLY STRIKE IT IN YOUR CASE. YES. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THE DIRECTION AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, UH, THE QUESTION ON THESE THREE SECTIONS THAT ARE HERE BEFORE US WAS WHO'S DOING THE INSPECTION AND HOW OFTEN, AND I THOUGHT THIS LANGUAGE WE SEE NOW IDENTIFIES THAT IT'S THE OWNER AND IT'S DONE ANNUALLY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE RETRACTING BY NOW, UH, DELETING THE ANNUAL OR SOME TIMEFRAME, WHETHER IT'S BI-ANNUALLY OR TRI ANUALLY. BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, 7 0 8 0.1 DOES, OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE INTENT IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE. SO IF THE INTENT OF THIS SECTION IS TO GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SOME ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITIES, IF DURING ONE OF THEIR INSPECTIONS THEY SEE A DAMAGED PENETRATION FIRE STOP, PERHAPS DURING A RENOVATION, UH, THEY SEE THAT SOME PIPE WAS MOVED AND A PENETRATION FIRE STOP WAS, UH, WAS UH, DAMAGED, THIS LANGUAGE WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY RIGHT THEN AND THERE TO ENFORCE A REPAIR. I DON'T THINK THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THIS A PROACTIVE THING THAT, THAT AN OWNER WOULD HAVE TO DO EVERY YEAR. UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT VERY SMALL BUILDINGS, UH, THAT MIGHT HAVE A FIRE RATED WALL, YOU KNOW, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A FIRE RATED WALL BETWEEN IT. ARE WE INTENDING FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PENETRATIONS TO BE INSPECTED ANNUALLY THE SAME AS A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT, UH, UH, COMPLEX WITH HUNDREDS OF FIRE RATED WALLS IN BETWEEN DWELLING AND SLEEPING UNITS? IT WOULD BE A, A DIFFICULT THING TO DO PROACTIVELY. BUT IF THIS LANGUAGE WAS INTENDED TO GIVE YOU THE ENFORCEMENT ARM TO FORCE A REPAIR, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING DAMAGED, I THINK IT CAN BE WRITTEN TO DO THAT. YES, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. THANK YOU. WELL, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO SEND PERSONNEL UP INTO THE ATTIC, YOU KNOW, TO GO CUT A HOLE IN A CURRENT FIRE STOP TO GO CHECK THAT THE FIRE STOP ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ATTIC IS WORKING. SO WILLIAM, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE INSPECTION GIVING GUIDANCE, IS THAT MORE APPLICABLE TO 7 0 8 0.1, WHICH ACTUALLY DOES HAVE AN INSPECTION SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN 7 0 8 0.1, BUT 7 0 3 2 AND 7 0 4 2 AS WRITTEN IN THE CODE BOOK, DON'T HAVE ANY INSPECTION, UM, CALLED OUT? IS THAT CORRECT? MY RECOLLECTION WAS, UH, THIS ISSUE CAME UP UNDER THE 7 0 8 DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT THE INSPECTION, BUT FAILED TO IDENTIFY WHO OR HOW OFTEN. AND THEN WE SIMULTANEOUSLY REALIZED THAT THESE OTHER TWO SECTIONS WERE ABSENT OF THAT LANGUAGE TOO. WHILE OTHER SECTIONS IN SEVEN CHAPTER SEVEN SUCH AS 7 0 5 FOR DOORS AND WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY GIVE TIME, TIME TIMELINES OUT OF N F P A 80. I MEAN, CAN YOU SAY THAT INTO THE MIC, ROBERT, THE LA THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED TO BOTH OF THOSE, CLEARLY IT STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT INSPECTED AND I THINK WHAT ANDRE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS IF DURING THE TIME OF AN INSPECTION OR YOU PULL A PERMIT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMES OUT AND SEES SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RIGHT, THAT YOU CAN ORDER A FIX, I THINK THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT, ANDRE? IF I'M, YEAH, I THINK ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IN THE CODE, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT AND SAW THAT SOMEBODY MOVED A PIPE OR SOMEBODY CUT A HOLE IN A FIRE STOP UNDER THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WITH NO AMENDMENTS, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ORDER THAT TO BE FIXED, CORRECT? YES, I THINK SO. AND I THINK THE ONLY PROACTIVE PLACE WE SEE FOR INSPECTIONS OF PENETRATION FIRE STOPS, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE IN THE CODE, I BELIEVE IT ONLY APPLIES TO HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS, IS WHERE THOSE SPECIAL INSPECTIONS OF PENETRATION FIRE STOPS ARE REQUIRED. I WAS JUST LOOKING THAT UP. SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE MAGNITUDE THE AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN WOULD APPLY TO ONE STORY, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDINGS ALMOST THE SAME AS A HIGH RISE, I GUESS. RIGHT. THIS IS CHIEF MONIER AGAIN, IF I COULD JUST CHIME IN QUICKLY. UM, WHEN WE ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED THIS, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THE CODE AND WE RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE ADOPTED AS WRITTEN. [00:35:01] IT WAS THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION. AS AS, UH, MR. BURRIS MENTIONED THAT WE, UH, PROVIDE SOME SORT OF A TIMELINE IF THE BOARD RECOMMENDS, UH, ADOPTING AS WRITTEN, UH, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO KEEP IT AS WRITTEN. YEAH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AS WRITTEN. YEAH. SO TIMELINE IS IS IF THEY DON'T DO IT, YOU CITE EM AND THEN THE CODE COMPLIANCE PROCESS KICKS IN AND THEY WOULD HAVE X NUMBER OF DAYS TO GET IT REPAIRED, CORRECT? ESSENTIALLY, YES. SO, SO EVERYTHING THAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSIBILITY IN THE CODE WOULD BE THAT IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, PENETRATIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE REPAIRED. AND, UH, IF WE DISCOVERED THAT THEY WERE NOT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TEETH TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT. AND SO I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT OF, UH, ADDING THIS INTO THE, UH, 21, UH, CYCLE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COMMITTEE HAS A, HAS A FINE APPETITE FOR, UH, LEAVING 7 0 3 2 AND 7 0 4 2 AS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN WITHOUT THESE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE, WITH APOLOGIES FOR THE FICKLE NATURE OF OUR DELIBERATIONS, I SUPPOSE. NO WORRIES. NO TROUBLE AT ALL. WANNA MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM 7 0 8 OR YEAH, WELL, ITEM 13 IS 7 0 8, WHICH I THINK IS A, IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, UM, DISCUSSION. SO 7 0 8 IS MAINTENANCE OF SPRAY FIRE RESISTANT MATERIALS. THIS WAS, UH, THE STAFF RE RECOMMENDS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. IT WAS TABLED DUE TO THE FACT THAT, UM, OUR NOTES INDICATE THAT WE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY THE TIMEFRAMES FOR INSPECTION. SO IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION. WE, WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE WHICH IS REFLECTED ON THE DRAFT DOCUMENT. IS THIS ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE IF WE HADN'T DIRECTED YOU TO GIVE US YES, SOME LANGUAGE, YOU WOULD'VE JUST ADOPTED IT AS WRITTEN? YES. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. HOWEVER, IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE. SO WHERE WOULD THIS SPRAY, UH, FIRE RETARDANT TYPICALLY BE? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF FIRE STOPS TO GET THERE TO LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE BETTER OFF NOT MESSING WITH IT BECAUSE THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM REPAIRING ALL THE FIRE STOPS PROPERLY TO ME, CREATES A BIGGER DANGER THAN THE OTHER. SO HOW DO, HOW, WHERE IS THIS NOR THIS RETARDANT NORMALLY USED? STRUCTURAL STEEL? YES. STEEL. THIS IS STEEL, UM, LOAD BEARING STRUCTURE. STEEL MEMBERS, THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN PENETRATION FIRE STOPS. THIS IS SPRAYED FIREPROOFING ONTO STRUCTURAL STEEL. AND THE COMMON FAILURE HERE IS DURING A RENOVATION OR JUST OVER TIME, UM, SOMEBODY WILL HANG AN ELECTRICAL J BOX ON A STEEL AND THEY'LL HAVE TO CHIP AWAY THE FIRE STOPPING TO DO IT. SOMETIMES THEY'LL, THEY'LL CHIP AWAY JUST ENOUGH. SOMETIMES THEY'LL CHIP AWAY TWO OR THREE FEET JUST TO HANG A FOUR INCH BOX. AND, UH, WHETHER THAT IS AGAIN, A PROACTIVE INSPECTION THAT SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE OWNER, UH, OR JUST AN INSPECTION THAT SHOULD HAPPEN AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION WITH SOME ENFORCEMENT POWER TO THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL TO MAKE THEM REAPPLY ALL THAT SPRAYED FIREPROOFING THAT THEY KNOCKED OFF, UH, DURING THAT ACTIVITY. NOW, IF TENANTS ARE DOING THEIR OWN WORK, UH, ADDING A LIGHT OR, OR, OR DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD KNOCK OFF THE SPRAY FIREPROOFING, UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD CATCH THEM IN THAT ACT. UH, IF IT'S NOT A PERMIT OR AN, UH, A FIRE DEPARTMENT INSPECTED ACTIVITY. UH, BUT I THINK THE INTENT OF THE LANGUAGE IS TO KIND OF GIVE THEM ENFORCEMENT POWER, WHICH I, WHICH I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT, BUT SOMETIMES THE COLUMN AND THE SPRAY MATERIAL ENDS UP GETTING ENCAPSULATED IN, YOU KNOW, SHEET ROCK SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE IT. BUT IF YOU'RE REMODELING IT, MARK WHAT ANDRE'S SAYING, YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD INSPECT IT AT THE TIME THAT YOU CAN SEE IT. THAT'S WHAT THAT GIVES. YEAH. SO, SO SPRAY FIREPROOFING MATERIALS AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE INSTALLED ARE INSPECTED AND SUBJECT TO A NUMBER OF ADHESION COHESION TESTS AT THE TIME THEY'RE INSTALLED. IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT'S HOPEFULLY RARE TO EXPECT IT TO JUST EXFOLIATE BY ITSELF BEHIND A COLUMN. NOR WOULD ANYBODY BE EXPECTED TO FIND THAT. I THINK THIS IS MORE, NOT MALICIOUS, BUT MORE ACCIDENTAL MECHANICAL DAMAGE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT AND, UH, AND REPAIRED. SO IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IF YOU'RE REHABBING A BUILDING THAT HAD THIS SPRAY ON FIRE STUFF, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE INSPECTING EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S NOT A DEFENSE TO SAY, WELL, IT WAS, I DIDN'T DO IT. IT WAS LIKE THAT BEFORE. YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE INSPECTED BY THE INSPECTOR AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT. RIGHT. SO DO WE NEED THIS ONGOING ANNUAL INSPECTION? CAN WE, CAN WE JUST ADOPT THIS ONE AS WRITTEN AS, AS WELL? IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S NODDING, EVERYBODY [00:40:01] IMPORTANT IS NODDING THEIR HEAD YES. UM, EXCUSE ME, BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK, UH, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. THIS, UH, MEETING IS RECORDED AND LIVE STREAMED. THANK YOU, BOSS. THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT THE CHAIRMAN JUST SAID, SORRY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. UH, DOES IT GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IF YOU LEAVE IT AS IT WAS WRITTEN? THIS IS, UH, CHRIS MONER. YES, I DO BELIEVE SO. AND I THINK, UH, AS, UH, ANDRE GARABEDIAN MENTIONED, UM, YOU KNOW, QUITE OFTEN IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED, SAY JUST ON A GENERAL INSPECTION FROM ONE OF OUR INSPECTORS, AND YOU SAY, WELL, THAT NEEDED TO BE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, HOW COME, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE ISN'T, UH, UH, FIRE RESISTANT MATERIAL OR, OR INTUMESCENT PAINT OR WHATEVER THE, THE CASE IS. AND, AND OFTEN IS, WELL, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT I, I HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT? OR WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? AND SO THIS GIVES US THAT ENFORCEMENT ABILITY, UH, AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY THE, UH, I C C. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO KEEP IT AS, AS ORIGINALLY, UH, WRITTEN IN THE, UH, 21 FIRE CODE. WE ARE A FICKLE LOT. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, TO, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I, LOOKING BACK AT MY HIEROGLYPHS ON THE NOTES FROM LAST TIME, I HAD A CHECK MARK NEXT TO THE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS AS IF WE HAD JUST MOVED ON WITH THEM. BUT ANYWAY, IRRELEVANT. UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 14. OKAY. ITEM 14 IS, UM, VISIBLE ALARM WIRED EQUIPMENT FOR R TWO. THAT'S SECTION 9 0 7. 5.2 0.3 0.3 0.1. AND WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING IT ONTO THE BIG SCREEN SO YOU CAN GET A VISUAL ON THE NEW LANGUAGE. THIS WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND BY ADDING CONDITION FOUR AND CONDITION FIVE. WHEN WE PRESENTED IT LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A BIT OF CONFUSION AND, UM, AFTER 5, 2, 3, 1, 1, NO, UH, CAP, YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER. THEY'RE OUT OF ORDER. ON THE, UH, AGENDA, IF YOU WANNA DO ITEM NUMBER 15 FIRST, WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE, HOWEVER YOU GOT. OKAY, NOW WE'RE ON TO 2, 3, 3, 1. SO LET'S DO 14. ACTUALLY, THE ITEM 14 AND 15, THEY'RE, UH, RELATED. OKAY. THEY BOTH ARE DEALING WITH, UH, VISIBLE ALARM WIRED EQUIPMENT. SO ONE OF THEM, THE 5.2 0.3 0.1 IS SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO PUBLIC USE AREAS AND COMMON USE AREAS. AND THE 5.2 0.3 0.3 0.1 IS CONDITION THREE RELATED TO WIRED EQUIPMENT. SO ON THESE ITEMS, UM, ITEM THREE HAS BEEN AMENDED AND WE HAVE ADDED A, AN ADDITIONAL OPTION. NUMBER FOUR. AND AS I RECALL, WE WANTED TO ALLOW THE, UM, ADDITIONAL OPTIONS FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDER. YEAH, WE'RE DOING 14 FIRST IT'S 5, 2, 3, 3, 1. THIS IS, UH, CHRIS MONER. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A, AN OMISSION OF A 0.1 AT THE END OF, OF, UH, OF 15. AND SINCE I THINK, I THINK IN THIS DOCUMENT, UM, ON THE AGENDA THAT THERE'S ITEM FOUR AND ITEM FIVE ARE PART OF THE SAME, SAME SECTION. [00:45:03] DO YOU SEE THAT CHIEF? YES, I DO. ON THE SCREEN, I DO ON THE, UH, DRAFT AMENDMENTS. OKAY. SO WE'RE ADDING EXCEPTIONS FOUR AND FIVE. I I UNDERSTAND THAT. YES. SO I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THIS, UH, DOCUMENT ON THE SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE. PLEASE. 'CAUSE ALL THE, UH, CHANGES ARE, GO AHEAD. SO FOR THE COMMITTEE ON PAGE NINE DASH 31, UM, BOTH ITEMS 14 AND 15 HAVE TO DO WITH 9 0 7. UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE, UM, CAPABILITIES LISTED IN, UH, ITEM 14 ADDS A FOURTH ITEM 15 ADD A FIFTH, BUT IT'S ALL RELATED TO, CAN YOU JUST STAY ON THAT, THAT NUMBER ONE, ONE FOR A SECOND. GO BACK UP. I'M ASSUMING THERE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WALK-IN COOLERS AND WALK-IN FREEZERS. YES, SIR. SO CAN WE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ADD THAT LANGUAGE, CAN WE PUT WALK-IN? SO IT'S, IT'S CLEAR THAT, UH, LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE, THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, IS IT? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE PREVIOUS, WE'RE ON, WE'RE WE'RE ON WIRED EQUIPMENT. OKAY. BACK ON TRACK. SO THE WIRED EQUIPMENT, UM, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE SCREEN, WE DID STRIKE THROUGH NUMBER THREE AND, UM, ADDED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. SO THAT WAS, UH, AMENDING NUMBER THREE. AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED A NUMBER FOUR. AND IF YOU CAN SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO NUMBER FOUR IS THE, UH, 200% OF VISUAL ALARMS REQUIRED FOR GROUP I ONE AND R ONE OCCUPANCIES ROBERT HANLEY ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD A NUMBER FIVE TO THAT SAME SUB ARTICLE. IT'S ITEM 15. SO ITEM 14 IS THE NUMBER FOUR. THEY'RE ADDING ITEM 15 IS THE NUMBER FIVE THEY'RE ADDING. YES. SO BOTH OF THOSE CHANGES ACTUALLY ARE LISTED UNDER NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE. SO IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE SUBSTANCE OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR HERE? EVERYBODY SEEMS OKAY WITH IT? OKAY. SO WE'RE GONNA, UM, APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM 14. WE'LL MOVE TO 15 ITEM FIVE. ANY COMMENT FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS, UH, AMENDMENT? ARE WE READING OR JUST DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE NO COMMENT. BOTH. ALRIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OKAY WITH, UH, 15 AS WELL, WHICH IS ITEM FIVE. AND MARK, TO YOUR POINT, THAT, UM, WHAT WAS UP ABOVE ABOUT THE, THE EMPLOYEE WORK ROOMS THAT WAS, UH, THAT SEC, THAT AMENDMENT WAS APPROVED AT THE, THE LAST MEETING. DO YOU DO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVISIT IT? YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THE WORD WALK IN SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THOSE ROOMS AS THEY'RE SOMETHING YOU OPEN A DOOR AND CAN WALK INTO. YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH, SO I THINK YOU JUST, OKAY, ADD THE WORD WALK IN THERE. WE WILL ADD WALKIN WHATEVER NOMENCLATURE IS THE CORRECT TERM TO REFER TO IT. OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 16 9 0 8 0.3. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS EMERGENCY ALARM AND FIRE ALARM INTERFACE. IT'S, UH, SECTION 9 0 8 0.3. WE'RE JUST REPLACING THE WORKSHOP WITH SHALL, THIS WAS, UM, YES, RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, UH, PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT. AND THE ONLY THING WE ADJUSTED, UH, AT YOUR REQUEST WAS TO REPLACE SHOULD WITH SHALL APPROVED, BUT THE LANGUAGE, SORRY, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AGAIN, [00:50:01] THE ACTUAL, UH, LANGUAGE SAYS SHALL, BUT I'M NOT SURE OTHER THAN THAT THIS IS NOT REALLY AN AMENDMENT. THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE TO THE, UM, FIRE CODE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THE BOOK, WHAT'S IN THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHT. AND IF IT, IF IT IS THE SAME, WE SHOULD JUST TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE THE CODE WOULD BE CORRECT. WELL, YOU SAY IT'S EXACT SAME LANGUAGE, ROBERT, YOU'RE SAYING SHALL SHOULD BE SHALL, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN I, YES. WHY WE'RE CHANGING THE I F C LANGUAGE IF, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ASKING TO, UH, ADOPT, UH, THAT THEY'RE RAISING THE ISSUE. THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE AND IT YEAH, BUT IT IS, I WAS INFORMED THAT THAT WAS OUR ERROR FOR SOME REASON OUR SPREADSHEET SHOWED SHOULD NO, BUT THAT IS THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT THE CHANGE YOU'VE ADDED IN TO INCLUDE DEDICATED FUNCTIONING SYSTEMS FOR SPRINKLER SUPERVISION IS WHAT IS ADDED. THAT THAT IS WHAT'S ADDED. YES. AND WHAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED LAST MEETING WAS TO AMEND THAT SECTION TO READ WHERE A BUILDING FIRE ALARM SYSTEM TO INCLUDE DEDICATED FUNCTION SYSTEMS FOR SPRINKLER SUPERVISION IS INSTALLED AND AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM IS INTERFACED WITH THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM. THE SIGNAL AT THE FIRE ALARM CONTROL UNIT SHALL BE A SUPERVISORY SIGNAL. YEAH, THAT'S VERBATIM THAT LAST PART OF THE SENTENCE OF WHAT WHAT'S IN THE CODE. YEAH. BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK THIS SECTION IS, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO STUDY THE CODE CHANGE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. BUT I THINK WHAT IT MEANS IS IF YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IN YOUR BUILDING, WHETHER IT BE A FULL OCCUPANT NOTIFICATION, SPRINKLER, UH, UH, FIRE ALARM SYSTEM OR JUST A SPRINKLER MONITORING SYSTEM, OR I'LL EVEN THROW A KITCHEN HOOD SUPPRESSION SYSTEM, ONLY WHAT IT'S SAYING IS IF YOU HAVE THAT TYPE OF CAPABILITY IN YOUR BUILDING TO SEND A SIGNAL TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU ALSO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM, THEN BY ALL MEANS CONNECT THAT EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM TO THIS SYSTEM. YOU ALREADY HAVE TO GAIN THE BENEFIT OF TRANSMITTING THAT ALARM ALSO. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, THIS EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM SHOULD BE TRANSMITTED AS A SUPERVISORY SIGNAL. SO IF YOU'RE A BUILDING OWNER, YOU'VE GOT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR A FIRE ALARM OR A KITCHEN HOOD, YOU HAVE THE, THE ACCOUNT MONITORED OFFSITE GOING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IF YOU THEN HAVE AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM, THE CODE IS REQUIRING YOU AND IT SAYS SHALL AND IT SHOULD BE SHALL REQUIRING YOU TO CONNECT THAT. SO, UM, IN AMENDMENTS AND CODE LANGUAGE, UH, YOU NEVER USE SHOULD, IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHALL AND AND I C C AND A LOT OF OTHER CODE BODIES HAVE DONE THAT THROUGHOUT TO STRIKE WHAT THEY CALL PERMISSIVE LANGUAGE AND AND INTRODUCE REQUIRED LANGUAGE. YEAH. SO AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS, AND I LOOK BACK THROUGH MY NOTES FROM LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, WE DID NOTE THAT THE WORD SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD BE WRITTEN AS SHALL. UM, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CHIEF FRASSO, IS THAT IT WAS JUST TYPED INTO THE SPREADSHEET LAST, LAST TIME. WRONG BECAUSE THE CODE ACTUALLY DOES SAY, SHALL WE APPROVED THAT ITEM WITH JUST THAT SMALL CHANGE? BUT THIS AMENDMENT THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US NOW HAS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WE DIDN'T LOOK AT LAST TIME. OKAY. AND THAT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT ADDING LAST TIME. OKAY. I JUST, UH, MARK THAT. UM, AND IT IS THE SECTION, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, LANGUAGE THAT WAS ADDED IS TO INCLUDE DEDICATED FUNCTION SYSTEMS FOR SPRINKLER SUPERVISION IS INSTALLED AND AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM IS INTERFACED. BUT OTHERWISE THE LANGUAGE IS VERY SIMILAR. THERE'S THAT THOSE, YOU KNOW, WORDS THAT WERE ADDED, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT THAT ADDED LANGUAGE IS NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE JUST A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM WITH ALL THE HORNS AND STROBES, OR YOU CAN HAVE JUST A SPRINKLER MONITORING SYSTEM, WHICH HAS NO OCCUPANT NOTIFICATION, BUT DOES HAVE THE OFFSITE DIALING CAPABILITIES. AND IT'S, IT'S THE PRESENCE OF THAT OFFSITE DIALING CAPABILITY THAT MAKES IT MANDATORY TO CONNECT THIS EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM TO THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT IS A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM WOULD HAVE AN OFFSITE DIALER, A SPRINKLER MONITORING SYSTEM WOULD HAVE AN OFFSITE DIALER, EVEN A KITCHEN HOOD SUPPRESSION SYSTEM WOULD HAVE AN OFFSITE DIALER. AND THE CODE IS SAYING, WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, MAKE SURE IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM, IT'S ALSO TALKING THROUGH THAT SYSTEM TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. YEAH, LET ME, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BROADEN THE SCOPE IT'S INTENDED TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S APPLIED WHERE IT'S NECESSARY. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. ALL FIRE ALARMS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMMUNICATION, UH, INTERFACE [00:55:01] TO CALL OUT. SO THE DEDICATED IS MAYBE ALMOST REDUNDANT, BUT, UH, THERE, CORRECT CHRIS. YEAH. THAT, THAT MAKES, I MEAN, HONESTLY, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME AND AS MUCH AS ANYTHING DOES. UH, BUT I I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR WHAT THE COMMITTEE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WE APPROVED LAST TIME WITH THE MINOR, YOU KNOW, SEMANTIC CHANGE, WHICH WASN'T REALLY A CHANGE AND NOW WE'RE REVISITING. SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT ABOUT DOING THAT HERE. I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AS IT LOOKS IN THE HIGHLIGHTS. I'M OKAY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A DEDICATED FUNCTION SYSTEM IS FOR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS? , I, I TAKE A STAB AT IT IF YOU'D LIKE . SURE. DEDICATED FUNCTION WOULD BE LIKE A, A KITCHEN HOOD SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THAT'S A STANDALONE UNIT. WHEN THE KITCHEN HOOD GOES OFF, THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS JUST WATCHING THAT ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. IT'S NOT WATCHING 10 POLE STATIONS, 15 SMOKE DETECTORS. IT'S JUST ONE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IT'S FOCUSED ON. IT COULD BE A SPRINKLER RISER WHERE, WHERE IT'S ONLY WATCHING A, A WATER FLOW SWITCH. A GAS DETECTION SYSTEM. GAS DETECTION, SURE. YEP. DEDICATED SYSTEMS THAT ARE TIED IN. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THIS WOULD APPLY TO NEW PERMITS ONLY OR IS THIS A RETROFIT FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE THAT THIS WASN'T IN PLACE? ONLY IF IT'S WHAT, 50%. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I GOT NO PROBLEM, JACK. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 17 11 0 3 7 5 1. IT'S ON PAGE 11 DASH SIX IF YOU'RE FOLLOWING ALONG. OKAY. ITEM 17 IS A GROUP R ONE HOTEL MOTEL MANUAL FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. UM, SINCE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NOTIFYING THE HOTEL, MOTEL, UH, STAKEHOLDERS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT WE HAVE THE INTENTION TO ADOPT THE 21 REQUIREMENTS, UM, ON THE NEXT CYCLE. SO WE'RE STILL, YOU'RE STILL DOING THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS WITH US. WE SHOULD TABLE IT AGAIN. IS THAT THE SUGGESTION? NO, WE ARE THIS CODE CYCLE. WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THE 2018, UH, TO KEEP THAT IN PLACE. OH, SORRY. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT ADOPT, TO AMEND OUT 11 0 3 7 5 1 FOR THIS CYCLE AND REVISIT IT IN THE NEXT, OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WHEN YOU GO FORWARD THE NEXT CODE CYCLE, THERE'S SOME, UH, WHERE THE, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PROTECT IS INTERIOR CORRIDORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH THE POLE STATIONS. AND SO WE MIGHT LOOK AT ADOPTING SOME SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS LIKE YOU DID WITH R TWO, WHERE IF THE EXIT IS TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE MAY BE AN EXCEPTION ADDED. CORRECT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING, THIS IS CHRIS MONASTERY AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HASH OUT WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND UH, LIKE CHIEF STO SAID, WE WANT THE INTENTION IS TO KEEP THE EXISTING LANGUAGE, UM, FROM THE 18. SO, SO, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE THAT LANGUAGE PUT INTO THE, THE DRAFT THAT THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN NOW, SO THAT WE CAN GO OVER THAT LANGUAGE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, AND I'M NOT, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE PEDANTIC OR ANYTHING, BUT, SO THIS SPREADSHEET SAYS YES, YES, YES. ADOPT IS WRITTEN AS THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, FOR THIS SECTION, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT JUST REPRODUCES THE 2018 I F C LANGUAGE FOR THIS FACTOR, ASSUMING THAT THE, ALL THE NUMBERS MATCH UP. YES. AND THAT'S, AND SO WE'LL TABLE IT FOR NOW AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL LOOK AT NEXT MEETING. IS THAT? YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. CLARIFICATION CHAIRMAN, ARE WE TABLING, JUST TO MAKE SURE, I THOUGHT WE WERE POSTPONING UNTIL THE NEXT CYCLE. WELL, AND ON A GLOBAL SCALE, YEAH. WE'RE POSTPONING THIS TO THE NEXT CYCLE. AS A MATTER OF THIS COMMITTEE, WE'RE TABLING THIS SO THEY CAN COME BACK WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA ADOPT. OKAY. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INSERT AN AMENDMENT FOR THIS CYCLE. I GOT THAT PUTS THE OLD LANGUAGE BACK IN. UH, EXCITING. OKAY. UM, I, UH, ITEM NUMBER 18, PLEASE. OKAY. ITEM 18 IS SECTION 1103 0.9 0.1. CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTION. IT WAS, UH, TABLED PENDING DECISION. OH, THIS WAS THE, UM, THE FREQUENCY OF TESTING? [01:00:01] YEAH, THE CARBON MONOXIDE, UH, IN INSTALLATION REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. SO THE CARBON MONOXIDE, THE LANGUAGE IS UP ON THE SCREEN. SO WE DID, UM, MODIFY THAT JUST A BIT. SO NOW IT IS, SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED IN INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS OR SLEEPING UNITS. UM, AND THEN ADJACENT UNITS AS WELL. AND ALL ROOMS, UM, ADJACENT TO THE ROOM CONTAINING THE FUEL BURNING APPLIANCE. SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ADOPTED AMENDMENT FROM PREVIOUS CYCLE WITH JUST A FEW CLARIFYING WORDS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE COMMITTEE? ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER 19, PLEASE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR. SO, UM, A SINGLE STATION CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR CAN BE INSTALLED ACCORDING TO THAT LANGUAGE IN THE ROOM THAT CONTAINS THE GAS FIRED EQUIPMENT. THAT, BUT THAT ROOM MIGHT BE QUITE A WAYS AWAY FROM THE SLEEPING ROOM. SO IF THAT UNIT WERE TO GO OFF, WOULD WE BE ASSURED THAT THE PERSON SLEEPING WOULD BE AWAKENED? SO THE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A, A GAS APPLIANCE THAT SERVES MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS, SAY A BUILDING THAT HAS A BOILER ROOM ON ONE END, THAT ROOM AND ANY, UH, DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT ROOM WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE, THE CARBONIDE DETECTOR, BUT NOT EVERYTHING DOWN, DOWN THE LINE. SO, I'M SORRY, I SAID 18, BUT WE'RE BACK ONTO 19, WHICH IS 1204 0.1. OKAY. 1201. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE'RE COVERING NEW GROUND FROM, FROM LAST MEETING. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE WRONG SECTION OR IT'S THE WRONG, THEY FORGOT A ZERO. OKAY. SO ITEM 19 SHOULD BE 1204 0.10. OKAY. AND THAT IS, UH, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THE, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT WITH, UM, SOME LANGUAGE. LET'S SEE, WE MODIFIED THE EXTINGUISHER TYPE FROM TWO A 20 BC THREE TO THREE A 40 BC AND WE ALSO, UH, INCREASED THE DISTANCE, OR YES, FROM 50 TO 30, WE MADE THOSE TWO MINOR ADJUSTMENTS. AND THAT IS SO THAT IT, UH, COMPLIES WITH ANOTHER REQUIREMENT THAT'S LISTED ELSEWHERE. YOU, YOU ACTUALLY ARE DECREASING THE DISTANCE NOT INCREASING IT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE, THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT? I SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. WHY ARE THE WE? YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S, UH, DECREASING FROM 50 TO 30. SORRY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, UH, REASON TO DECREASE THE DISTANCE, BUT THE CODE SAYS 50 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY DOES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. SO THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND THEY RECOMMENDED IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE EXTINGUISHER IS THE MOST COMMON EXTINGUISHER AND IT WOULD ALSO DECREASE THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT ALSO. THIS IS, UH, CAPTAIN ANTHONY SEVERSON. IF YOU LOOK IN SECTION 9 0 6, UH, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 BC RATINGS, THE FURTHEST TRAVEL DISTANCE TO THE EXTINGUISHER IS 30 FEET. SO THIS SECTION DOES CONFLICT WITH THAT. SO WE WENT WITH THE MORE RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENT. ANY CONCERNS? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 20 PLEASE. OKAY. ITEM 20 IS SECTION 24 0 4 0.3 0.3 0.6 ON SIZE OF SPRAY BOOTHS. AND ON IT'S ON PAGE 25TH. AND ON THIS ITEM, WE ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO, UH, ADDRESS [01:05:01] THE PORTABLE SPRAY BOOTHS. SO WE HAVE A PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO ADD A NEW AMENDMENT TO THAT SECTION THAT SPECIFIES PORTABLE SPRAY BOOTHS SHALL BE NOT BE ALLOWED WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL. THIS IS JUSTIFIED BY THE FACT THAT WE ARE COMING ACROSS THESE MORE OFTEN AND THEY ARE OFTEN LACKING IN CODE REQUIREMENTS AND SAFETY. SO ITEM, UH, 20 REMOVES THE EXCEPTION FOR INDIVIDUAL BOOTH NOT EXCEEDING 500 SQUARE FEET. AND ITEM 21 ADDS AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS ALL SPRAY BOOTS REQUIRE AN OPERATIONAL PERMITT AND APPROVAL BY THE FIRE CODE OF OFFICIAL. SO ON A ONE-TO-ONE BASIS, THOSE TWO AMENDMENT, ROBERT, HIM, THOSE TWO AMENDMENTS ADDRESS THE ISSUE, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. WE REALIZE THAT THE, UH, THAT WASN'T THE BEST WAY TO, TO APPROACH IT. SO WE MODIFY THE LANGUAGE SO THAT IT CAPTURES ONLY THE PORTABLE SPRAY BOOTHS. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, ANDRE GARABEDIAN. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 500 SQUARE FOOT WAS PROBABLY, AND THE CODE DOES THIS A LOT. NOT EVERYBODY LIKES IT, BUT, UH, THE CODE PICKS A VALUE AND SAYS, HEY, ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT, YOU CAN'T REALLY DO TOO BADLY WITH THAT SMALL OF A, OF A SPRAY BOOTH, JUST LIKE THE CODE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO STORE 30 GALLONS OF GASOLINE IN YOUR BUILDING, UNS, SPRINKLED, OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE ARE THRESHOLDS, 500 FEET SEEMS TO BE THE ONE THEY PICKED FOR SPRAY BOOTHS. UM, GETTING RID OF THE EXCEPTION, UH, ISN'T, ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL, BUT I DO THINK, UH, ANY PERMIT, LANGUAGE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE SHOULDN'T BE BURIED IN THE CHAPTER. THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION OF THE I F C SO THAT ALL THE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS ARE IN ONE SPOT. YOU MIGHT MISS THAT IN CHAPTER 24. THAT'S A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. SO CHIEF FRASSO, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN, UM, TAKE THAT LANGUAGE OR, WELL, I'LL ASK THE COMMITTEE AS WELL WHAT, WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT, BUT I MEAN, DO WE JUST FIND WHAT SECTION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHAPTER WE, WE WOULD WANNA PUT THAT, THAT PART IN? IT'S 1 0 5. IS THAT, WHICH IS THAT JUST THE, THAT'S THE PERMITS SECTION 1 0 5. ANDRE. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. THE QUESTION IS, IS DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AGREE? UH, THIS IS CHRIS MONIER. WE DO HAVE, UH, SPRAY BOOTH PERMIT REQUIREMENTS ALREADY, AND I THINK WHAT, UH, CHIEF FRASSO WAS ALLUDING TO WAS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PORTABLE, UM, SPRAY BOOST, IT'S BASICALLY IF, IF SOMEBODY'S LOOKING TO SEE IF THOSE ARE ALLOWED AND THEY COME TO THIS SECTION, THAT THEY'LL REALIZE THAT THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET A PERMIT. SO, UM, WE CAN REFERENCE IT IN CHAPTER ONE AS WELL, THAT IT'LL SAY, IT COULD SAY SPRAY BOOST, INCLUDING PORTABLE SPRAY BOOTHS AND THEN IF SOMEBODY STUMBLES ACROSS THIS IN THE CODE BOOK, THEY'LL REALIZE THAT EVEN FOR A PORTABLE, THEY'LL NEED TO GET A PERMIT. SO WE CAN CORRECT THAT OR ADD THAT, UH, LANGUAGE, THAT REFERENCE TO PORTABLES IN OUR, UH, UH, CHAPTER ONE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SOUNDS GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS? ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL, UH, APPROVE 20 AND 21 AND WITH A NOTE TO GO, UH, BACK FOR NEXT MEETING WITH WHATEVER THAT SMALL LANGUAGE IS IN SECTION 1 0 5, AND WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM 22. OKAY. ITEMS 22 THROUGH 27 ARE, WE'RE BRINGING THOSE UP TO, UH, MAKE YOU AWARE OF THIS IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. UH, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE ADOPT AS WRITTEN, BUT AS I SAID, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO, TO YOUR ATTENTION. UM, SECTION ONE OR 33 0 1 0.1 IS PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE. SO THERE'S A LANGUAGE CHANGE FOR RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROCEDURES. THE COMPONENTS OF SITE SAFETY PLANS IS ALSO COVERED IN THIS SECTION. FIRE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDINGS OF TYPE FOUR A, FOUR B AND FOUR C CONSTRUCTION, UM, WILL REQUIRE NEW, UH, STANDPIPE AND WATER SUPPLY REQUIREMENTS. FIRE WATCH WILL BE REQUIRED DURING NON-WORKING HOURS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND SEPARATION OF CONSTRUCTION AREAS AND TYPE ONE AND TWO AS WELL AS WATER SUPPLY. DURING CONSTRUCTION, THERE ARE NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT SPECIFY MINIMUM FIRE FLOW AND DISTANCE. SO AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN. HAVE Y HAVE Y'ALL REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS [01:10:02] TO ASK OR COMMENT? BECAUSE HAVING FIRE WATCH 24 7 WHILE YOU JUST RAISED THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION AND IN A TIME WHEN PRICES ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF, AND, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT CAN WE TABLE THIS ONE AND ASK THAT Y'ALL REACH OUT TO THE AFFECTED PARTIES TO SAY, OKAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT? 'CAUSE I I THINK EVERYBODY'S LIKE CRAZY BUSY RIGHT NOW AND NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION. AND RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A YEAR WHEN THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, EVERYBODY STARTS COMPLAINING THAT WE BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE. YES, SIR. UH, THIS ROBERT HANLEY, AND I MAY NOT FAVOR TABLE OR ANYTHING, BUT I'M REALLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTENT OF THESE TYPE FOUR A, FOUR B AND FOUR C. WHAT'S THE INTENT IF YOU GIMME THE BACKGROUND OF THE CODE PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE, UH, MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION BE? YES, SIR. WE'LL HAVE THAT TO YOU SHORTLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, UH, WHENEVER WE'VE HAD A FIRE WATCH, UH, ON A PROJECT, IT'S USUALLY IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING IN THE BUILDING AND NOT AFTER HOURS, NON-WORKING HOURS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ASK THE, THE PROPOSED CODE LANGUAGE BE SCROLLED UP SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE IT. BUT I, I, I THINK THE INTENT ON THIS ONE IS, UM, EVEN DURING CONSTRUCTION WHEN THE BUILDING IS NOT OCCUPIED, THERE WERE SOME PRETTY HUGE FIRE LOSSES, MAINLY TYPE FIVE CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHEN THEY HAD JUST THE STICK FRAME UP AND, UH, THESE HOLE COMPLEXES WERE, YOU KNOW, WIPED AWAY. SO I THINK THIS WAS A NATIONAL CODE CHANGE KIND OF KNEE JERK REACTION TO THOSE JUST STICK STANDING FRAME. UH, EVEN THOUGH NOBODY WAS THERE AFTER HOURS OR, OR, OR NIGHTS OR WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, YOU CAN ALSO BURN DOWN THE BARN TO GET RID OF THE RATS, UH, ANDRE. BUT THE QUESTION REALLY IS, IS THAT IN THOSE PARTICULAR CASES, AS THE BUILDERS WILL TELL YOU, THAT'S AN INSURANCE CLAIM AND YOU LOSE YOUR DEDUCTIBLE. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO DO A NON-WORKING HOUR FIRE WATCH, WHICH CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 16 TO 12 TO 16 HOURS, THAT MONEY ADDS UP RIGHT AWAY. AND IT'S GONNA BECOME A MAJOR EXPENSE FOR ANY BUILDING DEVELOPER, UH, DOING THAT, THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT FIRE WATCH ON THOSE TYPE OF BUILDINGS. THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. UH, MR. HANLEY, I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE FIRE WATCH, UH, THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO IS ONLY UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR SPECIFIC LARGE BUILDINGS. CERTAIN NUMBER OF STORIES IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. I'D STILL LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS WITH STAKEHOLDER INPUT. YEAH. FOR, UH, FIRE WATCH DURING CONSTRUCTION IT SPEC, UH, SPECIFIES THAT IT SHOULD BE PROVIDED DURING NON-WORKING HOURS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT EXCEEDS 40 FEET IN HEIGHT ABOVE THE LOWEST ADJACENT GRADE AT ANY POINT ALONG THE BUILDING PERIMETER, ANY NEW MULTI-STORY CONSTRUCTION WITH AN AGGREGATE AREA EXCEEDING 50,000 SQUARE FEET PER STORY OR AS REQUIRED BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL. THIS IS, UH, CAPTAIN ANTHONY VERSON, UH, TO THE BOARD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE THAT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO TYPE FOUR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS VERY MINIMALLY USED NOW, UM, WHICH WOULD BE WHAT? THE HEAVY TIMBER, HEAVY TIMBER CONSTRUCTION, IT'S HARD TO FIND HEAVY TIMBERS. UM, SO IT'S NOT USED VERY OFTEN ANYMORE. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. SO THIS, THIS ONLY APPLIES TO HEAVY TIMBER, FOUR STORIES OR ABOVE, IF IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT. THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS. I'M NOT SEEING WHERE THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION IS REFERENCED IN SECTION 3 3 0 5. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT ON, UH, FIRE WATCH, UH, REQUIREMENTS. IT DOESN'T INDICATE THE TYPE FOUR, OR IT DOESN'T RESTRICT IT TO ONLY TYPE FOUR STRUCTURES. THAT IS ACTUALLY, UH, FOR FIRE SAFETY FOR TYPES FOUR A, THAT'S SECTION 33 0 3 0.5. AND IN THAT CASE, YES, AS, UM, THEY MENTIONED THAT IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO SIGNIFICANT FIRE LOSS IN THESE TYPE OF STRUCTURES. SO THAT IS WHY THIS SECTION OF THE CODE HAS BEEN ADDED. PACIFIER SAFETY REQUIREMENTS [01:15:01] FOR THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, UH, CASE HISTORY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO BACK IN THE LATE NINETIES OR EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WAS, UH, RIGHT BEHIND YOUR FORMER HEADQUARTERS, A LARGE STICK FRAME HOTEL UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WHICH ACTUALLY RESULTED IN A CONFLAGRATION BY DEFINITION BECAUSE THE RADIANT ENERGY, UM, BROKE WINDOWS ACROSS THE STREET AND HAD IGNITION IN AN ADJOINING HOTEL. SO WILLIAMS, SO ONCE EVERY 25 YEARS, OR I, I MEAN, I, I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO GET STAKEHOLDER INPUT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS AND THEY ARE AWARE OF IT AND THEY'VE HAD A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ADDS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE COST OF OUR JOB AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD MAKE A GOOD DECISION. SO I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AND MARK, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CITY IS THE, IS WHERE THE BUCK STOPS. THEY HAVE THE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITY, UH, FOR ALL THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS MORE, IT'S JUST AS MUCH AS THEY DO TO THE STAKEHOLDERS. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD HERE. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. NO, I UNDERSTAND. YOU HAVE TO WEIGH BOTH SIDES, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IMPACT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ON THE ABILITY TO DELIVER, LET'S SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER KIND OF PROJECTS. SO WITH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED THAT GIVES YOU TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO JUST SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS COMING TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO THE MEETING. YES. WILLIAM BURRIS AGAIN, I, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE IMPACT. UM, ONE OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS IS, UH, FIRES LIKE THIS USUALLY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHIEF, ARE USUALLY MULTI-ARM FIRES, TWO AND THREE ALARMS, WHICH TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MANPOWER AND EQUIPMENT OUT OF SERVICE AND THEN DELAY RESPONSE TIMES TO E M SS CALLS AND OTHER THINGS. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO I'M HEARING A RECOMMENDATION TO TABLE 22 THROUGH 26. IS THERE ANY, ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT AS A COMMITTEE? AS CHIEF? ARE YOU OKAY WITH, UH, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THERE? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL TABLE 22 TO 26 AND MOVE ON TO 27. SO ITEM 27 IS SECTION 33 13 WATER SUPPLY DURING CONSTRUCTION. UH, OH. THIS WAS PART OF THE, UH, THE GROUPING FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS WAS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND IT FALLS UNDER THAT SAME CHAPTER. SO THE, UM, YOU READY, PROCEED TO THE NEXT ITEM. OKAY. IS THIS ONE THAT WE WANT TO TABLE AS WELL? I MEAN, THIS, THIS, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MY BAD. SO WE'LL DO 22 THROUGH 27 OUR TABLE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT CONFUSION THERE. AND WE'LL MOVE TO 28 CHAPTER 40 DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINES. OKAY. SO ITEM 28 IS CHAPTER 40, WHICH IS A BRAND NEW SECTION, UH, ON STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINES STAFF RECOMMENDS TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN AND IS, UH, BROUGHT UP TODAY BECAUSE IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. HAVE Y'ALL TALKED TO ANY OF THE AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS ON THIS ONE? SINCE THIS IS A BIG, I DO KNOW THAT OUR, UM, SPECIAL INSPECTIONS IS ALWAYS IN CONTACT WITH THEM. UM, CAPTAIN SEVERSON, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD BE MORE OF CAPTAIN RAMIREZ'S, UH, DEPARTMENT? I'M NOT, UH, FAMILIAR WITH ANY COMMUNICATION, UH, BETWEEN THEM. OKAY. I, I CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH LIEUTENANT GOVAN THOUGH. THIS IS CHRIS MONIER AGAIN. UM, SO OVER THE PAST, UH, [01:20:01] GOSH, I'D SAY 5, 6, 7 YEARS OR SO, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF, OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE HAD DISTILLED SPIRITS HERE IN TOWN AND STAFF, CITY STAFF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD TO BASICALLY NOT NECESSARILY INVENT CODE REQUIREMENTS 'CAUSE YOU DON'T DO THAT. BUT WE'VE HAD TO REFERENCE DIFFERENT N F P A STANDARDS AND, AND TRY TO PIECE THINGS TOGETHER. AND I THINK THAT THE, THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL HAS DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE OF THE POPULARITY OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MICRO DISTILLERIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT, UH, SOMETHING NEED TO BE ADDED INTO THE CODE. AND SO IT'S NOT A VERY LONG CHAPTER. UM, THERE ARE STILL GONNA BE REFERENCES TO, UH, N F P A STANDARDS WITHIN THIS, UH, CHAPTER. IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF PAGES, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE BASIC GUIDANCE FOR, UH, THESE TYPES OF, OF, UH, FACILITIES. UH, THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY, AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS, DOES NOT RELATE TO THE RETAIL. THIS IS BULK DISTILLERIES AND BREWERIES CORRECT. PRODUCTION FACILITIES AND STORAGE. THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REFERENCES, UM, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, UH, PROB POSSIBLY LAST MEETING, UH, TYPE SS OCCUPANCIES AND TYPE F OCCUPANCIES THAT WERE PRODUCING DISTILLED SPIRITS, UM, SPRINKLER PROTECTION AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND SO THE, UH, THE I C C IS CONSISTENT IN, IN ADDING THIS CHAPTER FOR EXTRA REQUIREMENTS BESIDES JUST SPRINKLER PROTECTION. SO THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO BARS, LIQUOR STORES, IT ONLY APPLIES TO SOMEWHERE WHERE ALCOHOL IS BEING MANUFACTURED. CORRECT. AND STORED NO MANUFACTURE IF IT'S STORED. SO WOULD THIS APPLY TO, FOR EXAMPLE, A WAREHOUSE? WELL, WOULD THIS APPLY TO, LET'S SAY A STORAGE, A MINI STORAGE FACILITY THAT HAS WINE STORAGE? IF IT'S IN, UH, BARRELS AND CASKS, IT WOULD APPLY. SO THIS IS FOR THE LARGER BULK STORAGE OF, OF WINE AND DISTILLED SPIRITS, JUST THE STORAGE PIECE OF IT. SO IT ONLY APPLIES TO BARRELS AND CASK, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO STUFF THAT'S IN BOTTLES? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. IT READS THE STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND, AND THE STORAGE, UH, 4 0 0 1 0.1. THIS IS UNDER THE FIRST, UH, GENERAL SECTION HERE. THE STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINES AND BARRELS AND CASH SHALL COMPLY WITH THIS CHAPTER IN ADDITION TO OTHER APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CODE. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THE SPRINKLE REQUIREMENTS AND SO ON. NON APPLICABILITY, CHAPTER 50 AND CHAPTER 57 ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO THE STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINES AND BARRELS, WINES AND BARRELS AND CAST AS IDENTIFIED IN SECTION 50 0 1 0.1, EXCEPTION 10 50 0 1 0.2 SEC SECTION 10. AND THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS CHAPTER FOR, FOR LARGER TYPE QUANTITIES. AND THEN CHRIS, ONE MORE QUESTION IN BARS NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY MAY HAVE ONE CAST OF SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S A PROMOTIONAL THING NOW THAT SOME LIQUOR COMPANIES ARE DOING. THEY, THEY SEND A PONY CASK, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY HAVE A TAP ON THE BOTTOM. I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS, YOU'RE TALKING MORE ABOUT CRAFT BEER, CRAFT BEERS, EITHER ONE, CRAFT BEER, ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE ONE OR, OR TEQUILA THAT COMES IN A CASK THAT THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO CASKS, YOU KNOW, AT A RETAIL BAR ESTABLISHED. I MEAN, Y'ALL AREN'T GOING TO, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS IS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION, JUST ONE TYPE OF THING. BUT, UH, THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS HERE, PRO PRECAUTION AGAINST PRECAUTIONS AGAINST FIRE, SPILL CONTROL, VENTILATION FOR THE ROOMS, REDUCING SOURCES OF IGNITION, NO SMOKING, OPEN FLAME, THAT SORT OF THING. UM, YEAH. IS IS, IS BEER CONSIDERED A DISTILLED SPIRIT? TECHNICALLY, OR, OR A WINE? SO THIS DOESN'T, BEER BEER WOULD NOT BE, SO, NO. YEAH. SO, SO, SO MICROBREWS AREN'T, MICRO BREWERIES ARE NOT AFFECTED BY THIS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR OPERATIONS HERE. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, I THINK THIS, UM, THIS CHAPTER WAS WRITTEN AS A PLACEHOLDER BECAUSE IN THE CODE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTILLED SPIRITS, WHICH ARE HIGHER ALCOHOL CONCENTRATIONS. THEY HAVE, UH, FAIRLY LOW FLASH POINTS. SO IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM, YOU COULD EXCEED WHAT'S CALLED A MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE QUANTITY. AND IF YOU EXCEED THAT QUANTITY, YOU'RE NO LONGER A REGULAR MERCANTILE. YOU'RE NO LONGER A REGULAR STORAGE OR BAR ESTABLISHMENT. YOU BECOME, UH, A HAZARDOUS [01:25:01] OCCUPANCY IF YOU EXCEED THAT QUANTITY. THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR BEVERAGES AND, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THERE WAS A BIT OF A GAP BETWEEN THE DISTILLERY PART AND THE STORAGE AND, UH, UM, SALES PART. SO IF YOU EXCEED THAT M A Q, THE CODE WOULD'VE WANTED TO PUT YOU IN CHAPTER 50 AND WOULD'VE WANTED TO PUT YOU IN CHAPTER 57. AND THOSE ARE VERY RESTRICTIVE CHAPTERS. THOSE ARE LIKE FOR, YOU KNOW, STORING, UH, ETHANOL, YOU KNOW, RAW AS OPPOSED TO ETHANOL AND WHISKEY. RIGHT. UH, IT WOULD'VE THROWN YOU IN THOSE CHAPTERS. CHAPTER 40 WAS SUPPOSED TO CATCH YOU BEFORE YOU WENT INTO THOSE CHAPTERS AND APPLY THE WRONG CODES. THAT'S A GREAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY, ANYBODY CONCERNED WITH? ROBERT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADD? OKAY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM 28, AND WE'LL MOVE TO 29. ITEM 29 IS SECTION CHAPTER 50, SECTION 5 0 0 4 2 2 5. AND IS, UM, TITLED MONITORING. THIS IS A NEW AMENDMENT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE ON THE BACK END OF THAT PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH, WHICH READS, LEAK DETECTING DEVICES MUST BE TESTED ANNUALLY BY THE OWNER OR OCCUPANT, UM, AND MAINTAINED ON THE PREMISES RECORDS OF THOSE RESULTS NEED TO BE MAINTAINED ON THE PREMISES AND AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST. SO THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IS, UM, REFLECTED ON THE DOCUMENT PROJECTED ON THE SCREEN. CHIEF, CAN YOU, WHAT TYPE OF OCCUPANCY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THIS MONITORING? THAT IS A, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT HAS A SECONDARY CONTAINMENT SYSTEM. SO THIS IS THE IDENTICAL LANGUAGE THAT WE DISCARDED PREVIOUSLY ON THOSE OTHER SECTIONS. SO IS THIS, UM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE HADN'T TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T SEND YOU DOWN THIS ROAD THIS TIME. UM, BUT IS THIS AN AREA WHERE WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP THIS LANGUAGE OR IS THIS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE, WE PUT IT IN THOSE OTHER SECTIONS AND FELT LIKE FOR CONSISTENCY WE WANTED TO PUT IN THIS ONE TOO? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU FEEL STRONGLY ON. THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, FROM STAFF THAT THEY HAVE BEEN COMING ACROSS THESE, UH, SYSTEMS THAT ARE NOT, UH, OPERATING AS GOOD AS THEY SHOULD, OR THEY'RE IN DISREPAIR, UM, ARE NON-FUNCTIONAL ALTOGETHER. SO WE JUST WANNA ENSURE, BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE IN THE LIFE SAFETY HAZARD FOR, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS THAT THEY ARE OPERATIONAL AND MAINTAINED. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN ANDRE GARABEDIAN, THIS MIGHT ALREADY BE COVERED IN AN AMENDMENT YOU JUST DISCUSSED. SO THIS IS A DEDICATED MONITORING SYSTEM. SO IN THEORY, BY THAT OTHER AMENDMENT, IF YOU HAD, LET'S SUPPOSE YOU HAD THIS TANK, AND TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A, IT'S A, A DIESEL TANK WITH A SECONDARY CONTAINMENT SHELL. AND WHAT THIS MONITORING IS SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU IS, HEY, YOUR PRIMARY TANK HAS FAILED AND THERE'S DIESEL IN YOUR SECONDARY TANK. SO BE CAREFUL, SOMETHING'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IF THAT TANK WERE INSIDE OF A BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING HAD A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM OR A SPRINKLER SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN YOUR OTHER AMENDMENT WOULD'VE ALREADY REQUIRED THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT TO REPORT BACK THROUGH THAT SYSTEM. YOU COULD EVEN SAY THAT SINCE THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS REPORTING THROUGH THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, IT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM TESTING AND MAINTENANCE FREQUENCY. IN N F P A 72, YOU COULD SAY THAT, UM, IF THIS TANK WERE OUTSIDE, UH, OUT IN YOUR PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE, IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKIER BECAUSE THAT SYSTEM DOESN'T REPORT TO ANYBODY. IT MIGHT JUST HAVE A LOCAL PAZO BUZZER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IN WHICH CASE, AT YOUR DISCRETION YOU COULD SAY, WE DO WANT, WANT SOME TYPE OF, UH, UH, PROACTIVE, UH, INSPECTION OF THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. BUT IF IT WERE INSIDE OF A BUILDING AND THERE WERE AN OVERARCHING ALARM SYSTEM, YOU MIGHT HAVE THE GROUNDS TO ALREADY ENFORCE THIS. RIGHT? NO, AND UH, THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION INTERNALLY. AND YES, WE, UM, ALL AGREED THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER ADOPTING A NEW AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS, UH, THE SITUATIONS THAT THEY'RE COMING ACROSS, WHICH ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, SYSTEMS THAT ARE OUT OFF SITE, MAYBE ON THE SITE, BUT JUST A WAYS FROM THE BUILDING AND NOT EXACTLY TIED INTO THE BUILDING SYSTEM. YEAH. ANDRE, YOUR EXPLANATION EXPLAINED WHY THEY'RE IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AND YOU'RE REFERRING TO 9 0 8 0.3 THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. THE, UH, WHERE THIS THE SHOULD SHALL ISSUE. YES. THAT'S THE ONE YOU'RE REFERENCING BACK TO. YES. BUT EVEN IF THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT PLACES, I THINK THE LANGUAGE COULD BE TIDIED UP A LITTLE BIT TO EITHER SEND SOMEBODY BACK IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS IF IT'S INSIDE OF [01:30:01] A BUILDING AND THEN IMPOSE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT IF IT'S OUTSIDE OF A BUILDING. 'CAUSE YOU COULD MISS THAT, I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, ARE WE COMFORTABLE TO, TO ADOPT THE AS RECOMMENDED? YEAH, BUT I WOULD, I, WHEN IT SAYS TESTED BY EITHER THE OWNER OR THE OCCUPANT ANNUALLY, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY IN A LEASE OF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ACTION. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT, SEE WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH, NO, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I MEAN, DON'T, DON'T ALL THESE SYSTEMS GENERALLY GET INSPECTED ANNUALLY ANYWAY, IS THAT, ISN'T THAT, I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM THAT THERE'S AN ANNUAL INSPECTION THAT GOES WITH THAT. IS THIS ONE OF THOSE, I'M SORRY. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S, UM, SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ISN'T A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, AS ANDRE HAD INDICATED. UH, EXTERIOR TANKS OR EVEN AN INTERIOR TANK FOR WHATEVER REASON MAY BE IN A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM. SO WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ASKING IS THAT THIS SYSTEM, WHICH IS LIKE, UH, THE SECOND TIER SAFETY LEVEL, IS AT LEAST TESTED ANNUALLY BY SOMEBODY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE TESTING. I JUST, I HAVE A QUESTION OF, OKAY. IT SAYS BY THE OWNER OR THE OCCUPANT, SO YOU COME ACROSS IT, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE AT THAT POINT? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTUAL TESTING? THE YES. THE OWNER OR THE OCCUPANT? HMM. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE SHOULD CLARIFY OWNER OR OCCUPANT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE OCCUPANT HAS THE PREMISES, IT SHOULD BE, SHALL BE TESTED BY THE OCCUPANT ANNUALLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING OWNER RENTS, YOU ISSUE A C F O TO THE OCCUPANT OF THE BUILDING TYPICALLY, AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON OPERATING THE BUSINESS IS RESPONSIBLE. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD STRIKE THE WORD OWNER AND JUST PUT OCCUPANT. WELL, DOES THE STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS REQUIRE SOME KIND OF PERMIT TO, TO JUST TO HAVE STOR? I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S AS EASY AS JUST SAYING WHOEVER'S GOT THE PERMIT FOR THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AS RESPONSIBLE. 'CAUSE THAT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT AS, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS, AS CLEAN AND DRIED AS THAT OWNER OCCUPANT KIND OF THING, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HAZARD MATERIALS, I PERMIT HOLDER. OKAY. I MEAN THIS, THIS, THIS TOPIC IS WELL OUTSIDE OF MY WHEELHOUSE. SO IF OUR MONKEYING WITH THE LANGUAGE CHANGES IT SIGNIFICANTLY, PLEASE SAY SO. BUT IT IT, IF, IF IT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, PERMIT HOLDER VERSUS OWNER OR OCCUPANT IS, IS EASY AND AND TRUE MEETS THE REQUIREMENT, THEN LET'S DO THAT. OKAY. WE CAN YOU GOOD WITH THAT, MARK? YEAH. EVERYBODY ELSE? OKAY. WE WILL MODIFY THE LANGUAGE AND SHOW IT TO YOU NEXT MEETING. WHAT ARE SOME, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, ANDRE, JUST WITH A COUPLE OF ADVICES, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE ASKED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GO BACK AND COME BACK WITH SOME NEW LANGUAGE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GIVE 'EM A HIT LIST OF THINGS THAT WE'D WANT TO SEE IN IT, YOU KNOW, TO TO, TO MAKE THE LANGUAGE, UH, UH, APPROVABLE. UM, I GUESS AS A, AS A BYSTANDER, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE MISSING IN THE LANGUAGE OR LIKE WHAT, WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE THERE TO MAKE THAT? WELL, I THINK WE SAID WE JUST WANT 'EM TO COME BACK WITH THE, THE, UH, IDENTIFY THE PERMIT HOLDER RATHER THAN OWNER OCCUPANT. I THINK THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF IT. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. WELL, YOU CHAIRMAN, COULD YOU NOT JUST SAY OWNER OCCUPANT OR PERMIT HOLDER AND YOU COVERED ALL THE BASES SO THEY KNOW WHO'S RESPONSIBLE DOESN'T HURT. I'M NO, BUT, BUT OWNER. BUT THEN, UH, HIS CONCERN IS THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE POINTING FINGERS OWNER, WE RENT THE BUILDING TO SOMEONE, SOMEONE TAKES THE PERMIT TO STORE. THAT HAZARDOUS MATERIALS GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF STORING IT. AT THAT POINT, THAT PERSON SHOULD BE THE ONE, NOT THE OWNER, NOT THE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. SO I MEAN, IF WE CAN JUST CHANGE OWNER OCCUPANT TO PERMIT HOLDER, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME BACK FOR IT. WE CAN JUST APPROVE IT LIKE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WELL ITEM 30 PLEASE. AND THERE'S ONLY THREE LEFT IF I, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN GOING ALMOST TWO HOURS NOW, BUT IF EVERYBODY CAN BEAR WITH US, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE END HERE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU CHIEF. YES, . OKAY. UM, LINE 30 IS SECTION [01:35:01] 1 0 5 0.6, 0.7 0.1. APOLOGIZE FOR THESE BEING OUT OF SEQUENCE. UM, BUT THEY WERE, WE, WE JUST GOT 'EM IN LATE AFTERNOON. UH, THIS ONE'S TITLED FIRE PUMPS AND RELATED EQUIPMENT. AND THERE IS, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS A, A NEW AMENDMENT REGARDING FUEL STORAGE TANKS AND THE AMENDMENT WOULD READ A AFU, A FUEL STORAGE TANK PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A DIESEL PUMP FUEL TANK 60 GALLONS OR LARGER. THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY. AND THIS GOES TO YOU, JEREMY, AND THE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. IS THIS, UH, COVERED IN THE FUEL AND GAS CODE ABOUT THE QUANTITY? N NO, NO, IT'S NOT. THIS IS, I MEAN, THOMAS, UH, THE, THE FUEL AND GAS CODE JUST DICTATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR INSTALLATION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXHAUST AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE QUANTITY IS NOT DICTATED THERE. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT AT QUANTITY LEVELS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. IS IT, UH, POSSIBLE THAT MAYBE THERE, THERE'S A NUMBERING ISSUE HERE? 'CAUSE I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE BOOK AND UH, IT ENDS AT 1 0 5 6 0.24. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. FORGET WHAT I, WHAT I SAID THERE, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST A, A, A QUESTION ON THE APPLICABILITY OR OR CHIEF ON THE 60 GALLONS. I MEAN, I, I GET THE, THE TANKS FOR FIRE PUMPS ARE INTERESTING AND, AND IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT. BUT IF IT WAS A DIESEL TANK, I MEAN I COULD STORE, I THINK IT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND GALLONS OF DIESEL IN MY BUILDING, UH, IN PORTABLE CONTAINERS WITHOUT PULLING ANY KIND OF PERMIT. AND IT WOULD STILL BE AN SS OCCUPANCY. SO, UM, TO HAVE ONLY 60 GALLONS AND REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR THAT MIGHT BE, MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, A LITTLE BIT RESTRICTIVE. UH, AND THEN IF THE LANGUAGE IS FIRE PUMP CENTRIC, UH, WHY WOULD WE BE MORE FOCUSED ON FIRE PUMPS THAN GENERATORS IN A BUILDING THAT MIGHT HAVE A 60 GALLON DIESEL TANK OR THINGS LIKE THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE AN ODD PLACE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND FOR 60 GALLONS. BUT, UH, JUST TO, JUST TO HEAR IT, UH, IT'S CHRIS MONSTER. I THINK IT'S, THE IDEA IS TO BE CONSISTENT THERE TOO, BECAUSE IT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR, UH, THE OTHER TYPE OF TANKS AS WELL. FOR A GENERATOR IT WOULD BE 60 GALLONS. ALSO, I'D HAVE TO VERIFY, UM, THE NUMBER THERE ON THAT ONE. BUT, UH, FOR A GENERATOR THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A TANK INSTALL PERMIT AS WELL. I BELIEVE IT'S AT 60 GALLONS. I HAVE TO VERIFY THAT. AND THIS IS A, A PERMIT FOR THE INITIAL INSTALLATION. SO IT'S NOT AN ONGOING, UH, ANNUAL FEE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE, UH, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL OPERATIONAL PERMIT. BUT THIS IS JUST FOR THE INITIAL INSTALLATION SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT ON RECORD ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. UM, WE'LL GO TO 31. OKAY. ITEM 31 IS, UM, SECTION 4 0 7 0.5 AND 4 0 7 0.6. THIS IS HAZARD COMMUNICATION AND IT IS ON THE SCREEN SPECIFICALLY. UM, 0.5 AND T SIX ARE RELATED TO INVENTORY STATEMENT AND THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE'RE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DELETE THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED AMENDMENT AND ADOPT SECTION 4 0 7 AS WRITTEN. BOTH OF THESE PARTICULAR [01:40:01] SECTIONS ARE, UH, VERY CLOSELY RELATED TO THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED AMENDMENT. SO WE WOULD LIKE JUST TO, UM, ELIMINATE THAT. ANY, UH, COMMENTARY CONCERN, QUESTIONS? OKAY, UH, 30 ONE'S APPROVAL, MOVE TO 32. OKAY. ITEM 32 IS SECTION 6 0 4 0.5 0.2 FUEL OIL STORAGE INSIDE BUILDINGS. AND THIS IS A NEW AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. I JUST NOTICED THAT 6 0 5 0.4 0.2, WHICH IS, UH, FUEL OIL STORAGE INSIDE BUILDINGS. THIS IS A NEW AMENDMENT, UH, THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING ADOPTING, WHICH IS, UH, THAT THESE BUILDINGS OR FUEL STORAGE, OIL STORAGE INSIDE BUILDINGS SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTIONS 6 0 4 5 4 2 2 THROUGH 6 0 5 4 2 8 AND CHAPTER 57. SO THE AMENDMENT IS TO CHANGE ORDER TO, AND YES. WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT? THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS GO, ROBERT, WHAT WAS THAT WORD? I THINK, OR I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT ARMY. 'CAUSE THE, THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN CHAPTER 57 ARE, UM, A LITTLE MORE DETAILED AND SPECIFIC AS THEY APPLY TO FUEL OIL STORAGE. SO TYPICALLY IN THE CODE WHERE IT GIVES YOU A CHOICE OF ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, THERE DIFFERENT WAYS OF MEETING THE SAME PURPOSE. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE SAYING A SPECIFIC VERSUS GENERAL. SO IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROVISION AND A GENERAL PROVISION, THE SPECIFIC PROVISION WOULD GOVERN, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU LEFT THE WORD OR HAS TO COMPLY WITH EITHER OR YOU, THE PERSON PUTTING IT IN WOULD HAVE A CHOICE OF DOING ONE VERSUS THE OTHER, KIND OF LIKE WE DID IN THE ENERGY CODE WHERE YOU CAN MEET WHAT'S IN THE CODE OR YOU CAN USE THE STATE STANDARD AND IT'S YOUR CHOICE. AND SO WHAT IMPLICATION DOES THIS HAVE BY SAYING YOU HAVE TO NOW MEET NOT EITHER OR, BUT BOTH. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF CHAPTER 57 CONFLICTS WITH THE OTHER PROVISIONS? YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT YOU'VE CREATED JUST A MORASS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH APPLY, WHICH MAKES IT HARDER TO DO CHAPTER 50 SEVENS 40 SOME PAGES, AND THESE SECTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, OCCUPIED LESS THAN TWO PAGES. SO I, I FEEL LIKE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT BY MAKING IT AND THAT THAT DOES NOT, THAT I UNDERSTAND REALLY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT READING THROUGH IT AND EVEN MAYBE IF I DID EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT IT ALL, YOU KNOW, SAYS, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW. IT DOES SEEM . WELL, WE COULD GO BY AND, UH, GO BACK AND RUN A COMPARISON TO SEE HOW THEY DIFFER AND TABLE THIS ITEM FOR THE NEXT MEETING. I, I JUST, I, A LOT OF THESE THINGS THERE SEEM TO BE IMPLICATIONS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS, THAT THOSE TWO SECTIONS MIGHT REALLY JUST BE THE SAME AS ALL 40 PAGES OF CHAPTER 57, AND THEN IT'S FINE. YES. I JUST, I, YOU KNOW IT, BUT IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAN I HAVE TO, TO KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. SO YES. YOU KNOW, I'LL DEFER TO OTHER PEOPLE TO ASK THAT OR IF, IF, YEAH, THIS IS CHRIS MOISTER, WE'LL GO. I'M SORRY, CHIEF. NO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GO BACK WITH, UH, THE STAFF AND THE GROUP THAT RECOMMENDED THIS AND, AND PERHAPS WE MIGHT END UP JUST SAYING, UH, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 57 AND BE DONE WITH IT IF THOSE WERE THE, THE ISSUES THAT THEY WERE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THAT WE CAN GO THAT ROUTE, NOT, NOT PROVIDE THE OPTION, BUT IF, IF THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION WAS THE, THE MORE RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MISS TO JUST TAKE THAT OPTION OFF THE TABLE. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL COME [01:45:01] BACK WITH THAT ONE NEXT TIME. OKAY. AND THEN ONE FAVOR, WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THE TABLE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, CAN Y'ALL JUST PLEASE PUT THE PAGE NUMBERS? OF COURSE, YES. WE'LL ADD THOSE BY THE SECTION, LIKE IN PARENTHESES LIKE WE DID WITH THE REST. YES. AND UM, FOR THE NEXT SPREADSHEET THAT'S EMAILED, I'LL HAVE THE, UM, THIS, UH, DOCUMENT SO THAT YOU CAN VIEW THE CHANGES. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, YES, YES, IT DOES. WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE SENT, YES, IT'LL BE ON THE SPREADSHEET EMBEDDED AT THE TOP. OKAY. I'M GONNA ATTEMPT TO READ THROUGH WHAT WE DID AND DIDN'T DO TODAY SO THAT WE CAN GET A MOTION PASSED TO, TO GO THROUGH THIS. SO, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, WE ASKED FOR STAFF TO COME GET US SOME, UH, MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT A AMENDMENT MIGHT LOOK LIKE THAT ADDRESSES THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION OF ZERO LOT LINE, UM, DETACHED HOMES. UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL SHOULD BE, SHOULD SAY NO, UM, AND, UH, WE PROVED IT AS SUCH. UM, WE'VE TABLED ITEMS THREE THROUGH 11, UH, ITEMS 12, ITEM 12. WE'RE GONNA KEEP AS WRITTEN IN THE CODE WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENT TO IT. UH, 7 0 8 WE'RE GONNA KEEP AS WRITTEN WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENT TO IT, I BELIEVE. IS THAT OKAY? UM, ITEM 16, 14, 15, AND 16. YEAH, THOSE ARE APPROVED. I'M, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH SEC EXCEPTIONS HERE. UM, I THINK WE APPROVED 16, SO 17, UM, WE'RE GONNA AMEND OUT COMPLETELY AND, AND, UH, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S TABLED FOR NOW. STAFF'S GONNA COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE THAT AMENDS IN THE 2018 LANGUAGE, SO WE CAN, UH, ACCEPT AROUND IT. UM, WE'RE GONNA ADD IN ITEM 33, UH, WHICH ADDS A PERMIT LANGUAGE TO SECTION 1 0 5 FOR PORTABLE SPRAY BOOTHS, BUT OTHERWISE WE ACCEPT IT AS, AS, UH, AS RECOMMENDED FOR ITEM 21, WE'RE TABLING 22 THROUGH 27, UH, 29. WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORD OWNER OR OCCUPANT TO PERMIT HOLDER AND OTHERWISE, UH, APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT. AND, UH, TABLE ITEM 32. AND I THINK THAT COVERS EVERYTHING WE DID. UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION OR JUST GET, GET ON WITH IT. I'LL, I'D ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE AS I JUST SAID, IF YOU DON'T, UH, RECOMMEND. THANKS WILLIAM. CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND? THANKS. THANKS ROBERT. ANY, UH, UH, OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. A AYE. SOUNDS UNANIMOUS. UH, IT PASSES. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU CHIEF RESTON. THANK YOU JEREMY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT, CHAIR, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. UH, WELL, WE HAVE IT ON THERE IN CASE WE NEED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE BASED OFF OF DISCUSSIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYTHING THAT CAME UP TODAY, SO I THINK WE CAN TABLE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING AS NEEDED. AND THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE AGENDA ITEMS. SO REALLY WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE IS TRY TO SCHEDULE THIS THIRD MEETING. SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD LAST WEEK SCHEDULED THAT WAS CANCELED. SO WE HAVE ONE MEETING THAT WE NEED TO GET SCHEDULED. I SENT THREE DATES TO THE COMMITTEE. UH, THOSE DATES ARE THURSDAY, MAY 26TH AT 8:30 AM TUESDAY, MAY 31ST AT 1:00 PM OR TUESDAY, JUNE 14TH AT 8:30 AM UH, CAN I, WE CAN EITHER DO IT NOW OR I CAN SEND IT AS YOU KNOW, AS A CHECK. YEAH. SO THE FIRST IS NEXT WEEK, THURSDAY, MAY 26TH AT 8:30 AM I THINK WE HAVE THE SWIMMING POOL AT AT ONE. AND I LIKE YOU JEREMY, BUT NOT THAT MUCH. I, I, I'M TRYING TO FIND A FEW DAYS. WE'RE GETTING, IT'S GETTING TIGHT, PRETTY TIGHT IN THIS MEETING. SO IS TUESDAY THE 31ST AT ONE? CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE, IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY HERE? TUESDAY, MAY 31ST AT 1:00 PM ONE TO ONE 30 ? YES. . . ALL RIGHT. LET'S, IS THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? ALL RIGHT. STAFF. OKAY. SO LET'S DO TWO ENERGY THAT MORNING, RIGHT? NOT THAT MORNING. I THINK ENERGY WILL BE THAT THURSDAY. [01:50:01] I, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I, I THINK WE HAVE ENERGY, WE'LL ALSO HAVE ENERGY AND SL CODE THAT WEEK. UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE I ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THREE MEETINGS IN ONE WEEK FOR CORRECT. AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ONE THE WEEK AFTER THAT IN THE SAME AFTERNOON. SO THAT, THAT'D BE JUNE 2ND. ACTUALLY, THE POOL, IS IT BEING THURSDAY THE AFTERNOON? CORRECT. YEAH, I WAS KINDA STRUCK DOWN PRETTY EARLY. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE TUESDAY THE 31ST AT ONE 1:00 PM IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SCHEDULE? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, GREAT. IF THAT WORKS, I WILL GET THAT ON THE SCHEDULE. GET ON THE, THANK YOU. UH, SO ONCE AGAIN ALL THE INFORMATION WAS WILL BE PROVIDED HERE. WE'LL GET THIS MEETING ADDED TO OUR EXISTING LIST. THE VIDEOS, UH, CAN BE WATCHED HERE. THE RECORDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE HERE AS WELL. AND IF ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE, THEY CAN SEND THAT TO US AT THIS EMAIL ADDRESS AND WE'LL PRESENT THAT TO THE COMMITTEE AS WELL. AND THAT'S EVERYTHING I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS MEETINGS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.