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GOOD AFTERNOON.I THINK WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED.
I THINK WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE, SO.
MY NAME IS JEREMY MCDONALD WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
WE ARE AT ABOUT 1:08 PM THIS IS A COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE SWIMMING POOL IN SPA SPA CODE OF THE I C C COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD.
THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING TO DIS UH, OF THIS COMMITTEE AND WE'LL BE DISCUSSING TODAY THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL SWING POOL AND SPA CODE.
UH, WE'LL START OFF REAL QUICK WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT OUR INTERPRETATION.
THIS IS JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT INTERPRETATION SERVICES.
NEXT WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL FOR QUORUM.
UH, BOTH BRIAN SMITH AND JOE LAOS ARE HERE.
SO ANY VOTES WE'D GO TO THE PRIMARY POSITION OF BRIAN SMITH.
UH, WE'LL START OFF WITH THE OPEN COMMENTS.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO JUST MEET TO THE DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME? IT'S A PRETTY OPEN FORUM, SO DON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT ANYTHING, ANYTIME Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO COME UP, UH, WE'LL BE POINTING A CHAIR HERE IN A SECOND.
JUST KIND OF FLAG THE CHAIR DOWN.
HOPEFULLY THE CHAIR WILL LET YOU KNOW AT THAT POINT IT BECOMES HIS MEETING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT, IT'S VERY FORMAL LOOKING, BUT ROUND TABLE APPROACH TO EVERYTHING.
SO FEEL FREE TO TALK ABOUT ANY ITEMS WE'RE DISCUSSING OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING ABOUT THIS FALL GAS CODE Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED.
ALRIGHT, SO FIRST WE NEED TO VOTE FOR A CHAIR AND CO-CHAIR OF THE SWIMMING POOL COMMITTEE.
UH, ANYBODY GOT A APPOINTMENT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE CHAIR? THIS COMPANY'S ABSOLUTELY DYING TO DO IT.
CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR RON CHEMIES TO BE CHARGED? SO MARK, MARK WITH THE MOTION AND BRIAN SMITH WITH THE SECOND.
ANY ABSTENTIONS ARE AGAINST? ALRIGHT, RON, YOU'RE THE CHAIR.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND SEE ABOUT ADDING A CO-CHAIR JUST IN CASE WE DO GO INTO FURTHER MEETINGS.
WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A NOMINATIONS FOR A CO-CHAIR SINCE RON WAS SO GRACIOUS TO STEP UP.
DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION? I'LL MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
MARK SMITH WITH OR MARK BEUS WITH THE, WITHIN A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, THE NEXT IS, WE HAVE THIS PRETTY MUCH ON ANY OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS IN CASE WE EVER NEED TO ADD SOMEBODY TO THE COMMITTEE, UH, EITHER FOR QUORUM PURPOSES OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CREATED THIS COMMITTEE BACK IN JANUARY, SO, UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S AVAILABILITY.
ANYBODY, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY HERE IS ALREADY ON THE COMMITTEE AND NOBODY ELSE WAS INTERESTED.
SO WE CAN IGNORE THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND SMALL GAS CODE WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, TO THE CURRENT AMENDMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
SO GIMME ONE SECOND AND I'LL GET US SET UP TO GO OVER THE, THE SPECIFIC ITEMS. ALRIGHT, A QUICK QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF.
THE, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION A COPY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.
UM, JEREMY, CAN YOU TELL ME, IS THE TWO PAGES THAT WE HAVE ALL THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO RECEIVE FROM STAFF, IS THIS ALL INCLUSIVE? YES, SIR.
THIS IS ALL INCLUSIVE FOR EVERYTHING STAFF HAS PROPOSED FOR THE FULL CODE.
ALL RIGHT, ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF BEFORE WE GET STARTED? UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE DO A QUICK BRIEF HISTORY OF THIS CODE.
SO WE ADOPTED EVERYTHING UNDER THE 2018.
ORIGINALLY BACK IN, UH, THE END OF 2017.
UH, I THINK WE OFFICIALLY ADOPTED CLOSE TO OCTOBER 1ST OF 20, 20 18.
WE DID NOT ADOPT THE 2018 INTERNATIONAL, UH, POOL, SWIMMING POOL IN PAUL CODE.
UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER ADOPTED BEFORE.
UH, ACTUALLY IN BETWEEN THE CYCLES THE STATE REQUIRED THAT THE 2018 BE ADOPTED.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT CY UH, THAT PROCESS OF CREATING A COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THE 2018 AND, AND I THINK IT WAS AROUND LATE 2019, EARLY 2020 THAT WE FINALIZED THAT
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PROCESS.WE DID HAVE A COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THAT AND WE OFFICIALLY WENT TO THE BOARD, GOT THAT APPROVAL, WENT THROUGH COUNCIL.
UH, SO WE HAVE ADOPTED THE 2018, UH, FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.
MOST OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE STILL, UH, HERE AND RECOMMENDED TO BE KEPT.
A LOT OF THEM ARE CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF OTHER, UH, CITIES WITHIN THE STATE.
AND MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CLARIFIED JURISDICTION.
UH, SO THE STATE HAS A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO SWIMMING POOLS AND SPAS FOR THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR.
AND WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE CONTRADICTORY OR FOR ANY INSTALLERS TO KIND OF HAVE TO GUESS OF WHETHER THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE, THE NEW ADOPTED CODE OR STATE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE ACTUALLY JUST MADE AMENDMENTS TO SPECIFY WHAT STATE CODES SUPERSEDE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER DIALOGUE IN THERE AS WELL IN EARLY IN THAT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS ANY CONFLICTS, UH, WHEN IT COME TO STATE AND CITY, THAT A LOT OF THOSE DEFERRED TO THE STATES THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IT KEPT IT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WAY.
UH, SO REALLY WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THOSE AMENDMENTS, UH, ANY OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, KINDA LOOKING THROUGH THOSE AGAIN AND ALL THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES BETWEEN THE 2018 AND 2021.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, STARTING RIGHT OFF AND WHAT I'LL BE DOING IS I'LL BOUNCE BETWEEN THESE PROPOSED AND THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE INSIDE THE AMENDMENT SO Y'ALL CAN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
JEREMY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS RECOGNIZE THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED IN UVALDE, TEXAS AND IF YOU'D GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PERSONAL PRIVILEGE TO TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
IS THAT BETTER? MARK? ALRIGHT, EXCELLENT.
AND JUST A REMINDERS EVERYBODY ACROSS THE BOARD, WE'LL WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THE MICROPHONES.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY'S IS A PUSH TO TALK.
I THINK MARK'S MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT EITHER MARK OR MARK.
WHICH ONE? OKAY, SO MARK, YOURS MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL HOLD AND STAY ON JUST A F Y I.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE AMENDMENTS, UH, WHAT WE HAVE ORIGINALLY, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND BRING THESE UP.
SO THIS IS THE OFFICIAL AMENDMENTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
THIS IS, UH, WHAT WE'RE CHANGING MADE CHANGES FOR WHAT'S ADOPTED CURRENTLY.
UH, THE FIRST ITEM IS REALLY JUST SAYING HERE WE'RE ADOPTING THE 2021 VERSUS 2018.
UH, THESE ARE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS MORE JUST THE CLERICAL ERROR, UH, ITEMS OF SAYING WE'RE IN THE CHAPTER IN THE MUNI CODE, SO YOU WILL FIND IT.
SO ALL THIS WILL FALL UNDER THE CHAPTER 10.
SO FIRST SECTION THAT WE'RE AMENDING, UH, IT'S TO CONTINUE OVER THE OTHER LAWS.
AND THIS IS WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF SPECIFYING WHAT STATE LAWS OVERSEE COMMERCIAL, UM, AND SOMETIMES RESIDENTIAL, BUT PREDOMINANTLY COMMERCIAL POOL CODES.
SO WE'RE JUST CONTINUING THAT FORWARD.
UH, NONE OF THOSE WERE UPDATED.
SO WE'RE JUST ADDING THOSE AS AN AMENDMENT OF WHAT OTHER CODES ARE.
OTHER LAWS ARE, HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE SWIMMING POOLS.
CAN YOU IN THE, IN THE FIRST DEFINITION OR THE FIRST THING WHERE THE, IT SAYS IT DOES NOT APPLY TO POOLS SERVING ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLING UNITS CHANGE THAT TO LOCATED ON LOTS CONTAINING BECAUSE THEY DO APPLY TO POOLS THAT SERVE ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLING UNITS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE ARE, COULD BE PUBLIC POOLS.
NOW IS THAT, I GUESS YOU'RE THINKING, UH, POOLS THAT ARE LIKE COMMUNITY POOLS THAT HAVE, IT COULD BE A COMMUNITY POOL, IT COULD BE, UM, A DUPLEX COMMUNITY THAT HAS A LOT THAT HAS A POOL ON IT.
SO THE, A CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS IS A LOT OF THE TIMES THAT WE MADE AMENDMENTS WAS TO SPECIFY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IN TOWN HALLS HOUSES.
LET ME, UH, BRING UP A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THAT.
UH, SO LIKE, CASE IN POINT HERE.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THROUGHOUT? SO, NO, BECAUSE IN THIS ONE IT'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT POOLS ON LOTS ALREADY.
WHEREAS THE OTHER ONE IS TALKING ABOUT SERVICE.
IT'S JUST CHANGE THE WORD SERVING TO LOCATE IT ON LOCATED.
YOU CAN COME BACK WITH THE LANGUAGE LATER IF YOU WANT, BUT SERVING TO
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ME MEANS THAT A COMMUNITY POOL, I MEAN I, I THINK THE GOAL IS MAYBE WE'LL BE GETTING THROUGH THIS TODAY, UH, WITH NO FOLLOW-UP MEETINGS.SO IF YOU HAVE SOME PREFERRED LANGUAGE AND THE COMMITTEE AGREES WITH MAKING THAT CHANGE, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
I WOULD JUST SAY LOCATED ON ONE AND IT SHOULD JUST BE ONE COMMA, TWO FAMILY COMMA, TOWNHOUSE DWELLING LOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND LOCATED, WE'RE SERVING IS NOPE, UP, UP TOP LOCATED END.
WE'RE YOU TOOK OUT THE WORD SERVING.
DO NOT APPLY TO POOLS LOCATED ON GET RID OF THE D.
YOU CAN TAKE THE WORD DWELLING AT THE END AND JUST PUT LOTS.
SO DOES THAT WORK FREE MARK? YEP.
ANY OTHER, EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THIS CHANGE? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE SHOULD BE GOOD.
UH, NEXT ONE IS, UH, THERE WAS, WE HAD ORIGINALLY, UH, TALKED ABOUT WHICH SECTIONS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ADOPTING THAT ARE KIND OF COVERED UNDER THE, UH, GENERAL CHAPTER ONE FOR, I'M SORRY, ARTICLE ONE OF CHAPTER 10, THAT KIND OF MORE THE CLERICAL AND OVERSIGHT OF THE VOTING OFFICIAL.
SO WE JUST HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CHAPTERS THAT KIND OF FALL UNDER THAT.
SO WE WON'T BE ADOPTING ANY OF THESE SECTIONS.
SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE ENTIRE BOOK BESIDES THOSE SECTIONS.
AND THAT'S THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.
SO IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS AND, AND THE KIND OF THE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN USING RON IS, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL CAN EITHER DO A VOTE OR KIND OF JUST SAY A CONSENSUS.
YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
AND LET, UNLESS THE PANEL HAS A DESIRE TO DO OTHERWISE, I THINK JUST CONSENSUS SHOULD SUR SHOULD SUFFICE.
YEAH, WE'RE GOOD WITH CONSENSUS.
UH, NUM ITEM NUMBER TWO IS 3 0 5 0.1.
I THINK IT'S FOUND ON PAGE 3.2 OR THREE DASH TWO OF THE CODE BOOK.
UH, THIS IS, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SPECIFIC TO ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IN TOWNHOUSES, UH, UH, FOR THE BARRIER REQUIREMENTS.
SINCE THE STATE HAS, UH, SPECIFIC BARRIER REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
CAN I ASK JEREMY ON THE ONE WE JUST DID, THE TEMPORARY FENCE CAN BE JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE TEMPORARY FENCE COULD BE CHAIN LINK BECAUSE, SO THIS IS, UH, 3 5 1.
SORRY, LET ME BOUNCE BACK TO THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, THIS WAS REALLY JUST A GENERAL OF THE 3 0 5 0.1 AND, AND KIND OF WHERE ALL GENERAL BARRIER REQUIREMENTS FALL UNDER.
UH, I DO KNOW THERE IS A SECTION ABOUT CHAIN LINK FENCES THAT'S UNDER NUMBER SIX.
UH, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FOR THE TEMPORARY THAT'S MORE FINALIZED.
UH, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING I, THAT I KNOW OF UNDER FOR CHAIN LINKS.
IS THERE SOMETHING UNDER THIS SECTION WE SHOULD LOOK AT? I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE, BUT I JUST WANT IT CLARIFIED FOR THE RECORD THAT THE BARRIER FENCE, BECAUSE IN A COMMERCIAL POOL YOU CANNOT HAVE A CHAIN LINK, A NEW CHAIN LINK FENCE, CORRECT? YES.
'CAUSE THIS IS ADDING A REQUIREMENT THAT'S NOT IN COVERED BY STATE LAW.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BARRIER FENCE, IT'S TEMPORARY IN NATURE AND IT CAN BE CHAIN LINK.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT UP A RIGHT IRON FENCE AROUND A CONSTRUCTION SITE.
I MEAN THAT IF WE ADDRESS THAT OFFICIALLY, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IF THERE IS A SECTION, BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S IT IS, IT'S IN, NEVERMIND, YOU CAN GO ON.
YEAH, THAT'S THE, UH, SPECIFIC SECTION.
UH, SO NEXT ITEM IS CON UH, CONSTRUCTION FENCING REQUIRED.
UH, THIS IS A, JUST A NEW SECTION
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AND, UH, LET ME, LET ME PULL UP, UH, THE CODE REAL FAST.SO IN, IN BLUE IS THE NEW PROPOSED, UH, CHANGES STAFF DOES NOT, UH, RECOMMENDS ADOPTING AS WRITTEN.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE SWIMMING POOL INDUSTRY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE? NOPE.
I BELIEVE THE TWO GENTLEMEN HERE ARE PART OF THAT.
ARE Y'ALL PUTTING UP BARRIERS WHEN YOU DIG THE HOLES IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? YOU BLOCK IT WHEN YOU'RE DIGGING, WHEN YOU'RE THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THIS IS HAVING TO HAVE A BARRIER AROUND.
THE THING IS NO BIG DEAL BECAUSE THE BARRIER COULD BE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME FENCE.
SO IF YOU'RE IN THE STAGE OF CONSTRUCTION AND THERE IS NO FENCE UP YET AND YOU EXCAVATE FOR THE FOOL, THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT A TEMPORARY FENCE UP AT LEAST FOUR FEET.
IT'S FOUR FOOT TOP, RIGHT? IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT FOUR FOOT? NO, THIS WOULD BE BOTH, UH, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIALS.
THIS IS THE GENERAL SECTION FOR BOTH.
I'M, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU, COULD WE GET MY SORRY, BRIAN SMITH.
UM, SO IN, IN PRACTICE IS HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THERE BECAUSE EXACTLY, YOU ONLY HAVE 10 FOOT MAYBE FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY AND TRYING TO GET SOMETHING, UH, PERMANENT FROM THERE AND BE ABLE TO GO IN AND OUT AROUND WITH EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WHAT THE INTENT WANTS TO DO IS TO KEEP KIDS AND PEOPLE OUT, WHICH WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WOULD BE THE, YOUR ORANGE CONSTRUCTION FENCING THAT CAN BE EASILY PUT IN AND OUT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT HERE THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
BUT DOING THIS TYPE OF, UH, CHAIN LINK OR, OR FENCING IS, IS JUST MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO PUT UP AND DOWN EVERY DAY.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS.
SO IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S, HEY, SO HERE'S, HERE'S SOME WORD IN, UH, PROVIDED WITH A CONSTRUCTION AND GET RID OF THE WORD FENCE AND CHANGE IT TO BARRIER.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT I'M ORANGE FENCING OR THAT CONSTRUCTION.
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JUST HAVE TO PUT A, A CONSTRUCTION BARRIER AROUND IT, WHICH WOULD BE THAT ORANGE STUFF THAT YOU COULD JUST PUT SOME STAKES AROUND, RUN IT AROUND, TAKE IT DOWN IN THE MORNING, AND THEN GET RID OF THE, MOST OF THAT STUFF IS THREE, AT LEAST THREE FEET, RIGHT? YES.SO WHY DON'T WE CHANGE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT? THE BARRIER SHALL NOT BE LESS THAN THREE FEET IN HEIGHT.
BEFORE WE GO DOWN THIS TRAIL, WE NEED TO ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS IN MY MIND.
THE FIRST IS, IS DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF CONSTRUCTION FENCING? AND THE SECOND IS WITH THE HOUSE BILL THAT PASSED.
YEAH, I, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE IN, IN, SINCE THIS IS TEMPORARY.
UM, AND IT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UM, HAS THE IMPACT.
UM, I I THINK BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S TEMPORARY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE PERMANENT, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK IT'S, WE COULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.
AND THEN CHANGE THE WORD FENCE EVERYWHERE.
IT'S IN THAT SECTION TO BARRIER QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, WHAT ARE WE SEEING BEING APPLIED OUT IN THE WORKPLACE TODAY IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS? FOR A TEMPORARY EVENT, WE'VE BEEN SEEING THE, UH, THE ORANGE, UH, MATCH, UM, UNTIL THE POOL IS, UH, AT THE FINAL STAGE.
SO INSTEAD OF RIGHT OUT THE WHOLE THING, UNLESS THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO, TO AT THIS POINT, BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE'RE GONNA AMEND FENCING TO BARRIER, UH, FOR 3 0 5 0.1 AND CHANGE THE REQUIRED HEIGHT, UH, FROM NOT LESS THAN THREE FEET VERSUS FOUR FEET.
AND I THINK I HAVE THAT SUMMARIZED HERE.
SO I THINK BASED ON THE VOTE AND WHAT WE HAVE ON THAT, THIS DOCUMENT SHOULD CARRY JUST FINE.
BUT IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO WRITE OFF THE WHOLE THING, I CAN DO THAT BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT.
AND THEN RON, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, LIKE ON A MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA PUT WATER IN THE POOL, THE POOL, THE POOL FENCE BY STATE LAW WOULD HAVE TO BE UP BECAUSE ONCE THE WATER POOL HAS WATER IN IT, IT, IT TRIGGERS A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE THE WR IRON FENCE AROUND HER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? JUST, UH, ONE COMMENT.
RO MANAGER FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, ONE ON COMMERCIAL WE DO SEE TEMPORARY FENCING, BUT THOSE ARE SIX FEET TALL PANELS.
UH, SO THAT, LET'S SEE, THAT WAS, UH, 3 0 5 0.1.
UH, SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE ADOPTING, UH, WITH AMENDMENTS.
IS THERE GOOD WITH THE COMMITTEE AT THIS POINT? CORRECT.
MOVING TO UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
UH, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT, UH, THAT WE HAD UNDER THE 2018 AND OUTDOOR SWIMMING POOLS AND SPAS INCLUDES REFERENCE TO THE T A C, TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE SEVEN FIVE, UH, 7 5 7 FOR PUBLIC POOLS OR BARRIERS.
AND THIS IS JUST THE, UH, ADDED LANGUAGE UNDER UNDERLINED HERE.
DO YOU WANT TO ADD THE UP IN THE FRONT ABOUT THE PUBLIC POOLS, OUTDOOR POOL, OUTDOOR PUBLIC POOLS AND SPAS AND INDOOR PUBLIC POOLS AND SPAS SHOW BECAUSE THE WAY THIS READS, IT COULD APPLY TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND, AND THIS SHOULD, SO I MEAN THIS IS THE GENERAL SECTION OF THE CODE.
SO THEN, SO EVERYTHING UNDER HERE FALLS UNDER BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE SPECIFYING HERE IS THE T A C AND TEXAS HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE WOULD NEVER BE CONSTRUED AS THE REQUIREMENT FOR
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THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.SO THEY WOULD ONLY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE 2.1 THROUGH SEVEN.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD ON NUMBER FOUR.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 5, 3 0 5 POINT SETBACK FOR MESH FENCES.
UH, THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, REQUIRES THAT THE SETBACKS BE AT LEAST 20 INCHES.
SO RIGHT HERE IN BLUE, THE INSIDE OF MESH FENCE SHALL BE NOT CLOSER THAN 20 INCHES TO THE NEAREST EDGE OF THE WATER OR POOL, POOL OR SPA.
AND IS THAT JUST LIKE A TEMPORARY THING THAT MOVES BACK AND FORTH OR JUST THE, UH, MESH FENCE THAT YOU PUT UP TO KEEP KIDS OUT OF THE POOL? CORRECT.
THIS WOULD BE FOR THE PERMANENT, UH, THIS ISN'T DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THIS WOULD BE IF YOU'RE USING A MESH FENCE AS A BARRIER THAT WE JUST HAVE 20 INCHES BETWEEN THAT MESH FENCE AND THE POOL ITSELF.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD.
THIS IS A COA AMENDMENT FROM 2018 SECTION 3 0 5.
UH, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ADDING AN AMENDMENT THAT JUST CLARIFIES THAT CHAIN LINK FENCING IS NOT ALLOWED FOR ANY PUBLIC POOL BUILT BEFORE JANUARY 1ST, 1994.
UH, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAWS.
JEREMY, THIS IS, I MEAN, THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO STATE LAW STATE TELLS US THAT WE CANNOT HAVE CHAIN LINK FO UH, FENCE.
BECAUSE I'M, I'M LOOKING IN THE CODE NOW SEVEN AND IT DOESN'T REALLY TELL YOU MUCH.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE PROPERTY CODE THAT DEALS WITH WELL, IT THOSE, THE PROPERTY CODE SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE CHAIN LINK FENCES IN CLASS.
I BELIEVE IT'S CLASS C POOLS, WHICH ARE ONES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH HOUSING OR LODGING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, UH, MESSES WITH LIKE A CITY POOL OR A, UH, A POOL IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO SOMEBODY PROBABLY BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BOARD JUST NEEDS TO CHECK THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A BUNCH OF CITY POOLS THAT HAVE BIG SIX FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCES AROUND THEM.
I MEAN A LOT OF THIS, UM, ONCE AGAIN KINDA CAME FROM WORKING WITH THE INDUSTRY AND A LOT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HELPED ALL THE OTHER CITIES ADOPT IT, THIS WAS SOME OF THAT GENERAL LANGUAGE THAT A LOT OF THE OTHER CITIES USE.
SO THIS WASN'T SOMETHING WE REALLY CAME UP WITH SPECIFIC FOR SAN ANTONIO AS CONSISTENT ACROSS WITH ALL THE OTHER CITIES THAT ADOPTED THE CODE FOR THE STATE.
YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO RECHECK ON THAT BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN, WHEN THIS CODE WAS ADOPTED, THAT WAS BEFORE THE HOUSE BILL, THAT, UH, DOES NOT ALLOW US TO PROHIBIT ANY TYPE OF MATERIAL CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL.
AND NOW THE THE 2021, UH, CODE TALKS ABOUT CHAIN LINK FENCE AND THEY DON'T GIVE ANY RESTRICTIONS TO PROPERTIES OR POOLS BEFORE 1994 OR AFTER.
YEAH, WELL, BUT THE 1994 DATE COMES FROM THAT SECTION THAT DEALS WITH APARTMENTS AND UH, THERE THERE'S A POOL YARD ENCLOSURE AND I CAN LOOK IT UP AND SEND Y'ALL A COPY OF IT 'CAUSE, BUT, BUT THAT THE STATE LAW PROHIBITING BUILDING MATERIALS I DON'T THINK WOULD OVERRIDE THAT STATUTE THAT DEALS ON A SPECIFIC BASIS WITH POOLS FOR APARTMENTS AND HOTELS AND UH, LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION POOLS BECAUSE IT MANDATES CERTAIN KIND OF FENCING BE USED, IT MANDATES, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR INCH SPEAR TEST, IT MANDATES HOW THE GATES HELD HAVE TO OPERATE.
AND THERE IS A PREEMPTION IN THE LAW FROM THE CITIES ADOPTING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT COAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE DATE CAME FROM, BUT SO WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO WORDSMITH THAT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE
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TAKE THAT OUT AND JUST MAKE A REFERENCE TO ALL PUBLIC POOLS, YOU KNOW, NEED TO FOLLOW THIS RULE.AND I THINK THIS IS ONLY CLASS C POOLS.
I MEAN WE KIND OF ALREADY DO, THAT'S KIND OF THE BASIS OF, OF THE UH, INITIAL SECTION OF OF 300 UM, TALKING ABOUT WHAT RULES APPLY AND WE SPECIFY 7 57 SPECIFICALLY UNDER THAT SECTION.
SO, UH, LIKE I SAID IT BY, I THINK WE CLARIFIED IT AND THAT THE REASON THEY BROUGHT THIS UP IS JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE THAT NOBODY WANTED TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THE LINE.
UH, IF THEY WERE JUST REFERENCING THE POOL CODE.
SO WE WERE KIND OF SAYING YOU CAN'T DO A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
UH, BUT REALLY THEY SHOULD BE KIND OF BOUNCING BETWEEN WHAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE AND UH, LOCAL JURISDICTIONS.
BUT IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK INTO ANY AMENDMENTS, THAT DEFINITELY WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO READ IF THERE'S SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO CHAIN LEAK FENCES.
I KNOW WHAT THIS APPLIES TO 'CAUSE THAT'S MY INDUSTRY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THE OTHER COMMENT IS ALSO GERMANE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BAN, IF THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN PUT A CHAIN LINK FENCE ABSENT SOME OTHER REQUIREMENT BY THE STATE, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
I MEAN DO WE WANNA MAKE THAT CHANGE NOW AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD OR DO YOU WANT US TO, HOW DO YOU WANT JUST HANDLE THAT ONE RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT AND DO RESEARCH AND I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US.
I THINK IT CAN JUST GO TO THE FULL BOARD.
IT, WE JUST WANNA BE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO I BELIEVE IT WOULD APPLY IF IT'S IN THIS CODE AND IT SAYS CHAIN LINK IS ALLOWED IN POOL FENCES, WE CAN'T BAN IT.
AND IT, THE, I GUESS THE ISSUE IS IF WE HAVE CONFLICTING STATE LAWS, UH, THEN WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SORT IT OUT AT THAT LEVEL.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY UNILATERALLY, UM, PROHIBITING IT, THEN THAT'S THE ISSUE.
SO WOULD IT, I MEAN, DO YOU THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO JUST GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THIS WHOLE AMENDMENT AND JUST LEAVE IT ON THE INDUSTRY TO KNOW WHEN AND WHERE THEY CAN'T USE IT? OR SHOULD WE JUST PUT A REFERENCE AS MARK WAS SAYING, OF KIND OF LIKE, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE ANYTIME, UH, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED OR NOT ALLOWED BY STATE THAT THAT NOT TO BE INSTALLED? I THINK WE, WE CAN KEEP IT AND JUST, UH, REFERENCE THE STATE SECTION THAT THAT REFERS TO THAT.
SO IF IT'S THAT, UH, 7 57, WE JUST NEED TO ADD THAT TO IT.
UM, COMMITTEE, DO YOU A AMEND WORDSMITH THAT NOW OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE INTENT THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP THIS AMENDMENT SAYING CHAIN LINK FENCE IS NOT REMITTED AS BARRIER PUBLIC POOLS, UM, PER, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE I GET THE EXACT SAME SECTION THAT WE'RE REFERENCING WITH THAT 7 57.
OR DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND WORDSMITH THAT NOW? YEAH, I, I MEAN I'M, I'M GOOD.
YEAH, I'M MEAN THE INTENT CLEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST, IT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU, IT'S PROHIBITED IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES OR YOU CAN JUST SAY CHAIN LINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SIMPLE THAT JUST SAYS ALL FENCES MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CHAIN LINK IS PROHIBITED, YOU KNOW, IN CIRCUMSTANCES BY STATE LAW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN OUR INDUSTRY WOULD GO BERSERK IF 7 57 GOT OVERRULED.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT CHAIN LINK FENCE.
I MEAN IT'S JUST AN IN INSURANCE THING.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE 7 57 0 0 3 F IS THE SECTION THAT WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, BUT STAFF WILL KIND OF COMB THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING ANY OTHER ONES.
AND, UH, WE'LL IF WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THIS SPECIFICALLY, WE'LL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE THE BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS, HEY, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT THE FINAL SMITH THING THAT WE CAME UP WITH AND UH, PROBABLY SEND IT OUT TO THIS COMMITTEE, UH, BEFOREHAND SO Y'ALL CAN BE PREPARED AT THE BOARD MEMBER BOARD MEETING LEVEL.
SO THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
THIS IS A NEW, THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE 2018 TO THE 2021, UH, EXPANDED AND ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCKS WITH PUBLIC POOLS AND RESIDENTIAL POOLS.
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JEREMY.SO THERE IS NO CONFLICT WITH THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OR OTHER STATE LAWS.
CAN WE JUST MAKE THIS OR EXEMPT OUT THE ONES THAT ARE COVERED BY ANOTHER STATE STATUTE SO THAT THERE IS NOT A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY DID UNDER THE 2018 IS ANYTIME THAT WE SAW THAT THERE'S CONFLICTS, THAT'S WHY WE WENT IN THERE AND SPECIFIED THAT SINGLE OR ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS OR TOWNHOUSES.
SO ANYTIME THAT WE HAD ANY CONCERNS WITH OVERLAP, WE EXEMPTED OUT THOSE SECTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL AND REALLY SPECIFIED THAT THIS WOULD ONLY FALL UNDER THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION, UH, WHICH REALLY FALLS UNDER SECTION OR, UH, CHAPTER THREE, THE GENERAL.
SO AFTER THAT WE KIND OF GET INTO SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, WHAT REQUIRES SPECIFIC TO COMMERCIAL MOST REQUIRES SPECIFIC TO RESIDENTIAL AND LATER CHAPTERS.
SO A LOT OF THAT FALLS UNDER THE CHAPTER THREE SECTION OR THE CHAPTER THREE AREA.
BUT HERE IN YOUR DESCRIPTION IT SAYS IT ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCKS FOR PUBLIC POOLS.
SO CAN WE JUST MAKE, IS THIS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT 7 57? OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.
YEAH, SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION, SO IF THERE IS ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, WE COULD CREATE AN AMENDMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN LATCHES AND RELEASES FOR ONE IN ONE IN TWO FAMILY, WE WOULD ADD THAT, UH, SAME TERMINOLOGY THAT WE USE CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT.
SO CAN WE JUST DO A, A THING AND JUST ADD A AMENDMENT TO THIS AND YOU CAN WORK ON THE LANGUAGE LATER THAT IF, IF NOT REGULATED BY STATE STATUTE, THIS IS WHAT APPLIES.
BECAUSE MY, MY CONCERN IS, IS JUST LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, CURSORY, IT DOESN'T MEET WHAT'S REQUIRED AND I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY PULLING OUT A BOOK AND SAYING, I DID IT HERE, AND THEN THE, THE THEY GET A, UH, LAWSUIT FOR, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS 'CAUSE SOME KID DROWNED.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER, UH, CHAPTER ONE.
LET ME GO BACK TO WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS AN AMENDMENT THERE.
UH, LET ME LOOK IN, UH, 1 0 2 0.9 WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE OTHER LAWS.
SO OTHER LAWS, UH, SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CODE SHALL NOT BE DEEMED TO NULLIFY ANY PROVISIONS OF LOCAL, STATE, OR FEDERAL LAW.
I, I KNOW IT DOESN'T NULLIFY IT, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT IS CONFLICTING? AND SO SOMEWHERE IN HERE WHEN, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S EASY IN THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN HERE TO REFERENCE, UH, THE POOL YARD.
UH, JUST LIKE YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING IN HERE, JUST ADD A NUMBER FOUR THAT SAYS THE POOL YARD STATUTE.
I MEAN, IF, IF WE HAVE ANY, IF WE WANNA MAKE THAT KIND OF CLARIFICATION, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY PUT IT HERE, UM, NOT NULLIFY, UM, AND PUT IN SOMETHING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, STATE LAW SUPERSEDES IF THAT'S, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO? YEAH, I THINK IN THAT, IN THAT KIND OF FIRST PART, THAT PREAMBLE WE CAN MAKE A REFERENCE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S OTHERWISE, UH, REGULATED OR, OR, UM, SOME OTHER STATE LAWS APPLICABLE, THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLING.
THEN GO AHEAD AS WELL AS LIST THIS, BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY A SPECIFIC STATUTE THAT DEALS WITH POOLS, MAYBE TO LIST IT AS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
SO LISTING WHICH, WHICH STATUTE? 7 57, THAT'S THE POOL YARD STATUTE.
OKAY, SO YOU WANT TO ADD A SUBSECTION FOUR FOR 7 57? CORRECT.
AND THEN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IN AT THE TOP SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A STATE LAW, IT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE LOCAL CODE.
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NO, WELL IT APPLIES TO POOLS THAT ARE OPERATED IN CONDE IN CONJUNCTION WITH LODGING OR HOUSING.SO IT WOULD APPLY TO THE COMMUNITY POOL, IT WOULD APPLY TO A HOTEL, IT WOULD APPLY TO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO A, YOU KNOW, A POOL IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
HERE I CAN, I CAN PULL THAT SECTION BACK UP FOR US.
SO THIS IS THE FULL POOL YARD.
UH, SEE IF THEY HAVE A, A POOL OWNED AND CONTROL TO MAINTAIN BY OWNER OF MULTI-TENANT RENTAL COMPLEX OR PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND DOORS AND WINDOWS ARE DRILLINGS OPENING INTO THE POOL OR, UH, OKAY.
SO I, UH, IS JOSEPH, DID THAT LOOK OKAY? I MEAN THIS ISN'T THE FINAL WORDSMITHING, BUT MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLY IS, UH, ANYTIME THAT WE FEEL THAT THERE'S CONCERN OF, UH, CONTRADICTORY BETWEEN STATE AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS AFTER THIS ADOPTION THAT WERE WORDED TO SAY THAT THE STATE SUPERSEDES THE ADOPTION CODE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
SO THIS IS, UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS COVERED UNDER ITEM TWO.
NO, ACTUALLY IT'S, UH, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT REALLY AN ITEM HERE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, SO, UH, WHAT AN ITEM ON OUR LIST, BUT, UH, ONCE AGAIN THAT'D BE THE, THE SECTION THAT WE'RE APPROVING BECAUSE I THINK BY ADDING THAT AND DOING IT LIKE THAT, IF IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE ONE AND WORDSMITH.
I MEAN, SO THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW AMENDMENTS THAT ARE SPECIFYING WHEN IT'S ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND WHEN IT'S NOT, SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND LOOK INTO REMOVING THOSE AMENDMENTS THEN AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE HAVE KIND OF THE CATCHALL? NO, I MEAN I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST KEEP GOING.
BUT I MEAN, YOU WON'T HEAR FROM ME ON EVERYONE BECAUSE WE TOOK CARE OF IT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, UH, THIS WOULD THEN IMPLY SPECIFICALLY UN UNLESS THERE'S REQUIREMENTS THAT AREN'T SPECIFIED UNDER A STATE LAW, SO IF THERE'S A REQUIREMENT HERE THAT MIGHT SUPPLEMENT AND ADD TO THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THIS WILL ALL APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL AND THE LATCHES.
SO IF Y'ALL WANNA, I'LL PULL THAT BACK UP.
SO ONCE AGAIN, EVERYTHING IN BLUE IS NEW FOR THIS, UH, FOR THE 2018 TO 2021 CHANGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
UH, SO THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, STRUCTURE WALL AS A BARRIER.
UM, ADDING, UH, THIS IS A NEW SECTION ADDED, UH, NUMBER FOUR REQUIREMENT FOR LOCATION OF THE ALARM DEVICES FOR NON DWELLING.
SO IN STRUCTURES OTHER THAN DWELLING, THE OPERABLE PARTS OF THE ALARM, DEACTIVATION SWITCHES SHALL BE LOCATED NO GREATER THAN 54 INCHES, IF NOT LESS THAN 48 INCHES ABOVE THE FINISHED FLOOR.
AND LIKE FOR APARTMENTS, YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE WINDOWS IN THE POOL YARD AT ALL.
THIS ONE APPEARS JUST SIMPLY QUALIFYING THE LOCATION OF THE DEVICE THAT WAS ALREADY REQUIRED.
I THINK THE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVICES DIDN'T CHANGE.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY JUST SAYING WHERE THEY CAN, THE OPERABLE PART OF THAT DEVICE, UH, DEACTIVATION IS LOCATED.
UH, THIS IS A COSA AMENDMENT FOR SECTION 3 0 5 POINT 0.4.
SO THIS IS ONCE AGAIN KIND OF THE IDEA OF, OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED.
ELIMINATE AND ELIMINATES DWELLING OR STRUCTURE AND SPECIFIES A ONE OR TWO FAMILY DWELLING OR TOWNHOUSE OR ITS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
UH, KIND OF MOVING IT AWAY FROM ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND MORE TO A, UH, RESIDENTIAL.
SO IT'S NOT, THAT ISN'T OVERSEEN BY THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
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ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I BELIEVE WE'RE GOOD TO RETAIN THAT ONE AS WELL.UM, AND THEN THE OTHER, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE, BUT REALLY IT'S, UH, BECAUSE WE REFERENCED BACK TO THE I B C, IT'S UH, THE SECTION CHANGED FROM 10 30 TO 10 31.
SO THAT'S A CLERICAL ITEM AT THAT POINT FOR THAT AMENDMENT.
WHAT IS AN E E R O? I'M NOT SURE.
UH, THIS WAS, I MEAN, DO YOU KNOW E E R O? ANYBODY? I'M SORRY.
THAT WOULD BE EMERGENCY ESCAPE WINDOW.
THIS ONLY APPLIES TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? WELL, NEW POOLS.
SO, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING, IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT YOU ADD A POOL TO THEN, UH, SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, THE BARRIERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO INTEGRATE THAT.
SO, UH, SO IT DOES, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON AN EXISTING STRUCTURE IN THAT SENSE IT DOES LITTLE MORE.
UM, SO THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER NINE.
UH, ONCE AGAIN COASTAL AMENDMENT FOR 3 0 5 0.6 NATURAL BARRIERS.
UH, TITLE CHANGE TO SPECIFY THE SECTION AS REFERENCED TO NATURAL BARRIERS USED IN ONE AND TWO FAMILY DARLINGS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS REALLY JUST TO SPECIFY THAT IT'S NOT ALL BUT RESIDENTIAL ONLY.
SO IT'S JUST IN ADDITION, UH, TO THE SECTION NAME NATURAL BARRIERS USED IN ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLING OR TOWNHOMES TOWNHOUSES.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION OR CHANGE 3 0 5 0.8 FOUND ON PAGE THREE DASH FOUR MEANS OF EGRESS.
UM, ADDED A SECTION FOR MEANS OF EGRESS, WHICH, UH, WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY REQUIRED AT PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS.
I'LL GO TO THAT SECTION FOR REVIEW.
OUTDOOR PUBLIC POOLS PROVIDED WITH BARRIERS SHALL HAVE MEANS TO EGRESS REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 10 OF THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
SO REALLY JUST MAKING SURE WHOEVER'S DOING THE DESIGN OF THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY DO NEED TO GO BACK AND PROVIDE THAT MEANS TO EGRESS OUT OF THE POOL AREA AND THROUGH A GATE, I MEAN, MOST LIKELY, UH, BUT YEAH, IT REALLY JUST REQUIRES THAT YOU GO BACK TO THAT, UH, MEANS TO BE EGRESS CHAPTER 10.
SO WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ARE ALLOWED THERE, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT.
ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD.
UH, NEXT SECTION IS, UH, NEW SECTION TO THE CODE BETWEEN THE 2018 TO 20 21, 3 0 7 0.1 0.2 0.1 MOON CELL COLOR, UH, COLOR VALUE SPECIFIES, UH, FINISHES ON THE IMMUNE CELL COLOR VALUE SCALE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CLARIFICATIONS, BASICALLY WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE COLOR, LIKE ON THE STEPS AND WHERE YOUR MARKERS HAVE TO BE AND ALL THAT STUFF BECAUSE THE STATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUES, REGULATIONS, NONE OF THIS REALLY APPLIES.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LIKE, UNLESS THEY, UNLESS
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THEY GO TO, WHICH THEY MAY BE LEANING TO, IS GETTING RID OF ALL THEIR REGULATIONS, DEALING WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF AND JUST SAY WHAT'S IN HERE.I MEAN, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE SINCE THEY KIND OF FORCED US TO GO, I MEAN, NOT FORCED US, BUT I MEAN SINCE THEY DID REQUIRE THAT EVERYBODY ADOPT THE SWIMMING POOL CODE, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO, BUT WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE HEALTH RULES, THIS, THIS BOOK WASN'T EX AND I DON'T BELIEVE WAS IN EXISTENCE.
I I DON'T EVEN THINK THE I C C WAS IN EXISTENCE IN 1994, WASN'T IT? ME
UM, SO THAT WAS ITEM NUMBER 12.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 13, CSA AMENDMENT FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
THIS IS AN EXISTING AMENDMENT, ADDS AN EX UH, EXCEPTION.
COMPONENTS OF PROJECTS REGULATED BY AND REGISTERED WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL BARRIER.
DIVISIONS OF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING REGULATION SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER.
UH, SO REALLY THAT KIND OF JUST TALKS ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY.
UH, WE JUST REQUIRE THAT ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT THAT TO THE STATE AND GIVE US THE, THE CODE SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE'S HERE'S OUR REFERENCE NUMBER AND WE'RE HANDLING ALL ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UH, THIS KIND OF SPECIFIES THAT IF SOMEONE AS THEY'RE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT, THEN WE'RE GOOD WITH IT.
AND THEN CAN I, CAN I, JUST GOING BACK BECAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF BRAND NEW POOLS THAT HAVE THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL PAINTED A COLOR, LIKE SOME EVEN BLACK.
DO Y'ALL CHECK FOR THAT WHEN SOMEBODY SUBMITS A PERMIT TO BUILD A POOL THAT HAS IN VERIFYING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE A BLACK BOTTOM POOL ANYMORE.
THE POOL BASICALLY HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHITE OR LIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE SOMETHING ON THE BOTTOM OF IT.
DO Y'ALL INSPECT FOR THAT WHEN YOU DO YOUR IN? I DON'T BELIEVE WE INSPECT FOR THAT, UH, CURRENTLY, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE DO ANY PLAN REVIEW FOR THAT.
NO, WELL, I 3 0 7 APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL POOLS.
WELL IT SAYS FOR OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, THAT WAS, UH, THAT'S FOR SUBSECTION 3 0 7 0.12.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
IN A COMMERCIAL POOL YOU CAN NO LONGER HAVE PATTERNS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL.
YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE DROWNING AND LAYING ON THE BOTTOM AND NOBODY SEE 'EM IN A HOUSE.
THEY DON'T CARE 'CAUSE IT'S YOUR OWN HOUSE.
SO I THINK WE WERE GOOD WITH, UH, SECTION 13, THE ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND SPECIFYING THAT IT GOES TO THE STATE.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 14, 3 0 7, UH, PLASTER, UH, NEW SECTION, A REQUIRED STANDARD FOR PLASTER, UH, STAFF PROPOSED ADOPTION AS AS WRITTEN QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.
SO COAST AMENDMENT, UH, GENERAL SUCTION ENTRAPMENT AVOIDANCE.
UH, SO THIS IS, UH, ONCE AGAIN KIND OF REFERENCING BACK TO, UM, OVERLAP BETWEEN STATE AND THIS ADOPTED CODE AS REFERENCE OF THE PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE AND TEXAS RULES FOR PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS AND SPAS.
TITLE 25 T A C, CHAPTER 2 65 SUB CHAPTER L.
UH, SO LET ME PULL UP FIRST THE CODE SECTION YOU, I CAN SEE WHAT IT'S REFERENCING, THEN I'LL SHOW YOU HOW WE'RE AMENDING IT.
SO, UH, MOSTLY IN GENERAL THE SUCTION, ENTRAPMENT, AVOIDANCE, UH, JUST SPECIFYING WHAT SECTIONS AND STANDARDS THEY HAVE TO MEET.
AND WE'RE JUST SAYING, UH, THEY HAD THE OPTION OF MEETING THE AP S P SEVEN R FOR PUBLIC POOLS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT LAW.
SO IT SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE MEETING THAT ONE, THEN YOU MEET THE INTENT OF THIS SECTION.
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WE WON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING ELSE.CAN I, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WE JUST SAID, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH DATE MANDATED RULES AND GET RID OF THE TITLE SUBCHAPTER AND RULE NUMBER? BECAUSE WHAT IS THAT POSSIBLE THAT IF THEY ADOPT A DIFFERENT RULE FIVE YEARS FROM TODAY, THAT NUMBER'S NO LONGER GOOD.
I MEAN, WE WOULD NORMALLY UPDATE THAT AS WE GO.
I THINK, I GUESS IF THEY ADOPT IT, I MEAN WE, IT ULTIMATELY IT GOES BACK TO THAT SAME SECTION OR SHOULD WE GET RID OF THAT AND JUST MAKE IT JUST THAT SPECIFIC SEC UH, CODE? YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN STAY SPECIFIC IF THEY, IF THEY DO DO AN A RENUMBERING, USUALLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE COVERED, UM, WITH WHENEVER THEY, THEY DO THAT.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 16, NEW SECTION, UH, THREE 11.3, UH, PAGE THREE DASH SEVEN WATER VELOCITY.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTING AS WRITTEN IDENTIFIES REQUIREMENTS FOR SUCTION, PIPING WATER VELOCITY.
I THINK IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ONE, SO, OKAY.
MAYBE NOT AS MUCH AS I WAS THINKING, BUT YEAH.
SO THIS IS, UH, EXPANDING ON THE WATER VELOCITY REQUIREMENTS.
I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, UH, COME FORWARD, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND THEN YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? MY NAME'S MIKE TAYLOR.
I'M WITH, UH, BLUE HAVEN POOLS.
AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WATER VELOCITY APPLY TO INDIVIDUAL PARTS OF THE CIRCULATION SYSTEM OR THE TOTAL SYSTEM CALCULATION WHERE YOU'RE INDIVIDUAL PARTS? YES SIR.
WHAT ABOUT THROUGH ALL OF YOUR EQUIPMENT PIECES? I MEAN, IT'S, BUT IT IS, IS THAT BASED ON THE ENTIRE CALCULATION FOR THE, FOR THE SYSTEM? SO IF I'VE GOT A EIGHT INCH PIPE THAT'S GOING TO SIX, IT'S GOING TO FOUR CHANGE ATIONS
SO DO Y'ALL, DO Y'ALL USE COPPER OR COPPER ALLOY PIPING IN TOOLS? NO, NO SIR.
SO THAT PART WOULDN'T APPLY? CORRECT.
I'M, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M READING IT RIGHT.
YEAH, SO BRIAN SMITH, THAT WOULD BE THE EIGHT POINT, UH, THE EIGHT FEET PER SECOND.
BUT THEN I THINK THAT'S JUST SAYING, UH, IN VELOCITY AND COPPER AND COPPER ALLY PIPING SHALL NOT EXCEED EIGHT FEET.
UH, BUT THEN IF IT'S NOT COPPER, COPPER ALLY PIPING THAN YOU NEED TO EITHER BE 3.1 FOR PUBLIC POOLS OR 3.2 FOR RESIDENTIAL FOR ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS.
BUT HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA REGULATE THIS? I MEAN, MOST OF IT'S INCH AND A HALF, TWO INCHES, BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME THAT ARE LARGER WHEN WE'RE DOING, UM, YOU KNOW, WATERFALLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE DEPENDING ON HOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PUMPS WE PUT TOGETHER.
I MEAN, BY NO MEANS DO I REALLY DELVE INTO THE POOL SIDE OF IT TOO MUCH, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD LOOK AT THIS, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S CIRCULATION SYSTEM, SO AT SOME POINT YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR MAXIMUM VELOCITY AT SOME POINT AND YOU KNOW, I ASSUME YOU WOULD DO YOUR CALCULATIONS OFF OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE MY CHOKE POINT THAT INCREASES THE VELOCITY THE MOST AT THIS POINT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT STAYS UNDER EIGHT FEET PER SECOND.
I, I'VE BEEN BUILDING POOLS FOR A WHILE.
I'VE JUST NEVER, WE'VE DONE CALCULATIONS BASED UPON WHAT WE'RE GONNA PULL, BUT I, I DON'T REMEMBER ANYBODY PULLING A ACTUAL FLUID CALCULATION AS FAR AS FEET PER SECOND.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY SAYING IN HERE FOR COMMERCIAL POOLS IT'S SIX FEET PER SECOND AND FOR RESIDENTIAL POOLS IT'S EIGHT FEET PER SECOND.
WELL, SIX PER SUCTION AND THEN, UH, THE RETURN CAN GO TO EIGHT.
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NO, IF YOU GO DOWN TO 3.1 AND THREE, 3.31 AND THREE TWO, IT GIVES YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT, I MISSED COPPER ALL OVER.BUT THEN 3.31 AND 3.32 IS ALL OTHER PIPES BESIDES COPPER.
YEAH, I, I WON'T LIE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SECOND SENTENCE OF WHY THEY SPECIFY COPPER AND COPPER.
ALLIED PIPING SHALL NOT EXCEED BECAUSE COPPER CAN DO EIGHT ON EITHER OR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.
SO IF YOU'RE USING COPPER, THAT'S WAY ALLY COPPER ON YOUR SUCTION PIPING FOR COMMERCIAL, THAT'S ALLOWED TO GO TO EIGHT FOOT PER SECOND.
BUT ANY OTHER PIPE WOULD'VE TO BE SIX.
BUT ANY OTHER REFERENCE, IT'D ONLY, IT'D HAVE TO GO TO EIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD.
NO, BUT, BUT 3.3 0.1 AND 3.3 0.2 BASICALLY AT THAT POINT IS FOR ALL OTHER KIND OF PIPING.
AND SO, I MEAN WHAT THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE IS CUT DOWN THE VELOCITY, VELOCITY OF THE WATER AT THE DRAIN LINE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T GET SUCKED IN AND GET CAUGHT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAIN.
SO THEY'RE LIMITING HOW MUCH WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH IT BECAUSE THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS ALL THE CAPS ARE RATED AT A CERTAIN FLOW RATE.
AND SO IF YOU HAVE 10 FEET PER SECOND OR A HUNDRED FEET PER SECOND, 'CAUSE YOU GOT A REALLY BIG PIPE AND A REALLY BIG PUMP AND YOU ONLY HAVE A, UH, A GRATE THAT'S RATED FOR SIX FEET OR EIGHT FEET PER SECOND, IT, THE WHOLE SYSTEM, ANTI SECTION SYSTEM IS NO GOOD.
SO BECAUSE NOBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT MEANS, PROBABLY OTHER THAN ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD IT BELONG.
THIS SIZING ONLY APPLIES TO THE SECTION SIDE, NOT THE FILL SITE
JUST TO, UH, ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AMENDMENT BETWEEN THE 20 18 20 21 OR A CHANGE.
SO THE ORIGINAL, UH, THE 2018 HEADED AS THE WATER VELOCITY AND RETURN LINE SHALL NOT EXCEED EIGHT FEET PER SECOND.
THE WATER VELOCITY AND SUCTION PIPING SHALL NOT, SHALL BE, UH, BE REQUIRED TO MEET SECTION THREE 10.
WHICH SECTION THREE 10 REALLY JUST SAYS YOU HAVE TO INSTALL IT PER, UH, THOSE STANDARDS THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, UH, AND AMENDED, UH, TO ALSO HAVE THAT AMENDMENT OF ADDING THE STATE REQUIREMENT.
UH, SO REALLY SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADDING SOMETHING ON THE SUCTION SIDE, UH, TO MAINTAIN THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE AT EIGHT, UM, OR SIX FOUR COMMERCIAL.
BUT, UH, WE HAD THIS ALREADY, CORRECT.
THIS WAS UNDER THE 18 AND IT'S CORRECT.
AND I JUST NOT KNOWING THOSE STANDARDS OF WHAT THE SECTION REQUIREMENTS WERE, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS REF, UH, RESTRICTS THAT MORE OR CHANGES IT OR REALLY JUST KIND OF KEEPS IT CONSISTENT.
I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OR NOT HAVE A PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CHECKS THIS STUFF.
THEY DON'T, BUT I'M JUST FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT COMMERCIAL THAT WE'LL HAVE TO, WE JUST PUT IN OUR CONTRACT THAT THE POOL CONTRACTOR AGREES TO DELIVER THE POOL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS.
AND THEN I I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN IF ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE POOL COMPANIES WANTS TO JUST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PAUSE ON THIS AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE AT THE BIG MEETING, YOU KNOW, TO SAY, OH, PROBLEM BRIAN SMITH.
NO, YOU YOU WERE, AND THEY'RE JUST SAYING IT'S THE MAXIMUM'S EIGHT.
YEAH, THEN I, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD.
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WATER VELOCITY.THIS IS UH, TABLE THREE, 16.2, SUBSECTION TWO UNDER, UH, PAGE THREE DASH 10 WATER HEATING SYSTEMS AND COMPONENTS.
UH, THEY ADDED A, A TABLE FOR SOLAR WATER HEATERS AND STANDARDS BY WHICH TO COMPLY WITH.
SO LET ME PULL UP THAT SECTION FOR TABLE 3 16 12 OR 3 16 2 AND UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S REALLY IN TABLE FORM WHEN IT'S ONE SECTION OR ONE LINE ITEM, BUT SOLAR WATER HEATERS JUST NEED TO COMPLY WITH THESE STANDARDS.
THIS IS A COASTA AMENDMENT FROM THE 2018 BACKWASH WATER OR DRAINAGE WATER SPECIFIES THAT PUBLIC POOLS ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO DRAIN TO THE SANITARY SEWER AND NOT THE STORM SEWER.
SO I KNOW WE DID DISCUSS THIS QUITE A BIT, UM, BUT I, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN A REQUIREMENT FROM A VERY, EVEN BEFORE ADOPTING THE 2018 THAT KIND OF FALLS UNDER THE SAUL'S REQUIREMENTS OF, OF WHERE YOU CAN DISCHARGE THE PUBLIC POOLS.
I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT ALSO QUITE A BIT UNDER THE 2018 ADOPTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU KNOW, AND I'LL PULL UP THAT CODE SECTION 'CAUSE THEY KIND OF GIVE YOU DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO DRAIN ACROSS THEIR NEIGHBORS.
BUT WE KIND OF SAID THAT WE REGULATE THAT THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND MAKING SURE YOU DON'T HAVE DISCHARGE FROM ONE PROPERTY TO ANOTHER.
UH, BUT I CAN, UH, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT'S MORE OF A, UH, I THINK IT'S A SAUL'S REQUIREMENT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
YEAH, I MEAN THIS IS, SO YOU'RE SAYING IF I DRAIN MY POOL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE A REPAIR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL.
WE CANNOT DISCHARGE IT ON OUR GRASS.
I MEAN I THINK THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT.
I I MEAN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BACKWASH WATER GOING INTO THE SEWER LINE EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD TO UH, FIGURE A WAY TO PUT A LIKE FUNNEL ON THE BOTTOM BECAUSE THE PUMP PUTS THE WATER OUT FASTER AND YOU CAN HAVE IT CONNECTED.
BUT I THINK FOR DRAINING THE POOL YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRAIN IT WHEREVER YOU WANT.
WHY DON'T YOU, CAN WE CREATE A VOLUME? WELL LET ME LOOK AT THIS REAL FAST.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A SASS THING, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SAY SOMETHING.
ULTIMATELY IT'S STILL GONNA BE REQUIRED BY SAS NOW THAT WE NO, THAT WOULD BE IN THE STORM.
THIS IS PUBLIC RESIDENTIAL ONLY, CORRECT? YEAH.
PUBLIC ONLY RESIDENTIAL STILL ALLOWED OF YOU KNOW, SO WHAT DIIF WHAT DIFF I I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WHEN Y'ALL HOOK DO, UH, SWIMMING POOLS, WHERE DO YOU PUT THE BACK WASH TO? I CAN.
I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE SEWER.
WHERE DO YOU GO TO? JUST ALL OVER THE YARD NOW.
THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NEIGHBOR AND WE BACK WASHED EVERYTHING.
YOU CAN, I CAN PUT IT ON THE YARD TOO.
SO WHY WOULD IT BE ANY DIFFERENT? IT'S RESIDENTIAL.
RESIDENTIAL TALKING ABOUT YEAH, BUT WHY WOULD IT BE ANY, WHAT, WHAT IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? I AGREE.
SO THAT'S AGAIN WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FROM SAWS FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT THERE.
DO WE HAVE WHAT THEY'RE, I DON'T REMEMBER LAST CYCLE.
I'M, YEAH, I'M TRYING TO PULL UP UH, SOME OF MY NOTES SO WE CAN, 'CAUSE I REMEMBER AT ONE POINT WE WERE GONNA HAVE PROBABLY 20 AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THIS SPECIFIES SOME SAWS AND I ULTIMATELY, AFTER DISCUSSING THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE, WE KIND OF SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, A LOT OF IT WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA ADOPT.
IT'S KINDA LIKE FEATURES AND WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THE FEATURES TURNED ON AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY THERE.
BUT I THINK THIS ONE BECAUSE IT REALLY TIES INTO THE DESIGN OF YOUR POOL AND HOW YOU DO THAT.
UH, SIMILAR TO LIKE CONDENSATE LINES WITHIN UH, SOME OF THESE.
SO WE DO THAT, UH, WE WANTED THIS ONE TO BE PART OF THE, THE CODE
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BECAUSE IF YOU DRAIN A BUNCH OF WATER OFF YOUR PROPERTY ONTO YOUR NEIGHBORS OR INTO THE STREET, I WOULD ASSUME CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD UH, CLASSIFY THAT AS A NUISANCE WE COULD AND CITE YOU.CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE AMENDMENT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH SOFT.
I MEAN I DON'T, I I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE OUT THE WORD END DRAINING WATER AND JUST MAKE FOR PUBLIC POOLS.
BACK WASH WATER SHALL BE DISCHARGED TO A SANITARY SEWER OR INTO AN APPROVED DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
BUT BACK WASHING IS YOUR NORMAL.
YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A PUMP OR, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'RE, WE, WE, WE IN A COMMERCIAL POOL, THEY PUT A DRAIN.
EVERY COMMERCIAL POOL HAS A SEWER LINE RIGHT THERE TO RUN.
AM I CORRECT? I MEAN YOU DON'T EVER BUILD A POOL AND THEN YOU GOTTA LEAVE AN AIR GAP AND THEN SOME MAINTENANCE SKY DIRECTLY CONNECTED AND THEN YOU GET SIDE AND YOU UNCONNECTED THEN THERE SHOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR IT.
WHERE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE IS IN THE DRAINING BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO DRAIN THE POOL, WE ARE NOT USING THE UM, PUMP, THE PUMP TO DRAIN THE POOL.
WE'RE PUTTING SOME BIG, YOU KNOW, A BIG PUMP.
A PORTABLE BIG HIGH BECAUSE YOU NEED TO GET IT DONE.
I'VE DONE THAT WHEN I'VE HAD A REPAIR.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET WORD OF THE DRAINING THE WATER AND THAT'LL JUST BE COVERED UNDER CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND IF YOU'RE CREATING A NUISANCE AND YOU WANT TO WATER YOUR GRASS OR, AND THEN SAWS CAN WORRY ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE.
I JUST WANNA PULL OUT THE SAWS SO WE CAN JUST LOOK AT THAT.
UH, IF I CAN FIND IT QUICKLY, BUT I DON'T WANNA WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON IT.
SO I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING, I BELIEVE IN THE SAWS RULES THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T USE POOL WATER TO WATER YOUR PLANTS OR GRASS OR WELL I THINK THE FLOORING LEVEL WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOUR GRASS NOW WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE STORM DRINK? 'CAUSE ACTUALLY ODS, I MEAN IT'S GOTTA BE CLEANER WATER THAN NOW IS GOING THROUGH INTO THE SOER STORM.
THAT'S WHAT THE SAME YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S POINT NOBODY EVER DIED FROM DRINKING POOL WATER, YOU KNOW, SO JEREMY COULD, COULD SOMEBODY RESEARCH THIS FOR YOU SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE ON? OH YEAH, ONE SECOND.
I ACTUALLY, I'M, I GOT ONE DOCUMENT I'M JUST TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH REAL FAST.
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OKAY.SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SEEING IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE ONLY THING I SEE IS SWIMMING POOLS AND HOT TUBS.
LEMME LEMME DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH.
SO WHAT IS THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT? REMOVE.
OKAY, LEMME GO TO THE, THE CODE SECTION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT.
UM, SO DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT THE DRAINAGE WATER TO BE ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE OR DO WE WANT TO SPECIFY AT LEAST IN A COMMERCIAL THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE STORM SEWER AT LEAST BE DIRECTED TO STORM SEWER AND NOT JUST LEAVE IT COMMERCIAL THOUGH, RIGHT.
I MEAN, BUT MOSTLY REALLY WHAT IT'S SAYING, UM, I MEAN YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT SECTION THAT IS AN APPROVED DISPOSAL SYSTEM ON THE PREMISE OR SHALL BUY DISPOSED BY OTHER MEANS APPROVED BY THE STATE OR LOCAL AUTHORITY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BEYOND JUST THE STANDARD, YOU'RE APPROVED TO DISCHARGE HERE OR THERE, YOU CAN, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OPTIONS.
SO, UH, THE FINAL LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT IS THIS.
WE WILL DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND SEE HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT SAUL'S REQUIREMENTS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE FULL BOARD IF WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THIS COMMITTEE SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE, HERE'S WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED, BUT WE RECOMMENDED CHANGING IT BACK BECAUSE OF THIS SECTION.
AND THEN THE FULL BOARD CAN DECIDE AT THAT POINT.
SO THIS IS A, A CHANGE FROM THE 2018 TO 2021, UH, ABOUT UNDERWATER LIGHTING SECTION 3, 2, 1, 0.2 0.3.
UM, SO ADDING LAMP, LUMENS, AND SURFACE AREA.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD? OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER 20, WALL CLEARANCE.
UH, THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE 2018 TO 2021.
CLEARANCE CHANGE FROM THREE TO SIX INCHES.
UH, NOW THREE TO FOUR INCHES FOR CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE POOL, WALL AND THE LADDER.
SO THIS IS JUST CHANGING IT FROM ALLOWING TO HAVE A DIFFERENT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LADDER AND THE WALL FROM FOUR INCHES TO SIX INCHES AS A MAX.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.
NEW SECTION ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT ROOMS. I'LL PULL THAT UP.
UH, LOOKS LIKE THE NOTE IS COMPLETE NEW SECTION FOR PUBLIC POOLS AND SPAS, EQUIPMENT CLEARANCES, LIGHTING, VENTILATIONS, DOOR OPENINGS, ET CETERA.
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IS A FULL NEW SECTION, UH, DISCUSSING ALL OF THAT.SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS IS AT.
I KINDA LEAVE IT UP TO, TO THE COMMITTEE HOW YOU'D LIKE TO DRINK.
UM, BUT STAFF HAD REVIEWED IT AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND HAD ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED TO, TO ADOPT IT AS IS, BUT I WAS NOT PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
I'M NOT SURE IF MIKE WAS OR NOT.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I MEAN, ONE.
SO DOES N F P, UH, OR IS THAT A NO, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRE PROTECTION.
DOES ANYTHING IN THE ELECTRICAL CODE MANDATE A DIFFERENT KIND OF PLUG OR SWITCH WHEN THINGS ARE LOCATED IN THE EQUIPMENT ROOM? THE BIGGEST THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IN THE N E C IS G F C I REQUIREMENTS THAT'S GONNA COME INTO PLAY.
BUT WHAT ABOUT CORROSION FROM CHLORINE GAS? THERE IS REQUIREMENTS IN THE N E C THAT ADDRESSES THAT THE EQUIPMENT LOCATED IN THE AREA HAS TO BE SUITABLE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH IT IS INSTALLED.
SO, WHICH MEANS YOU WOULD NEED SPECIAL PLUGS, SWITCHES COME PRIMARILY FOR YOUR PLUGS AND SWITCH IS GONNA BE THE TYPE OF BOXING IN, UH, SWITCHING BOX COVERS AND RECEPTACLE COVERS THAT ARE UTILIZED.
SO THEY KEEP THAT STUFF OUT THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING HUGE PROBLEMS HAVING TO GO REPLACE YEAH.
THE INSTALLED NEMA ONE EQUIPMENT IN A NON NEMA ONE ENVIRONMENT.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION FOR REQUIREMENTS FOR INDOOR AIR QUALITY TO COMPLY WITH THE I M C.
UH, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT WOULDN'T ALREADY BEEN INHERITED SINCE IT'S TALKING ABOUT INSTALLATION OF AIR HANDLING SYSTEM, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE ROOM, I THINK FOR THE CONTROL ROOM, CORRECT? I THINK SO.
I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST REFERENCING YOU, YOU NEED TO MEET THIS ANYWAYS, BUT SO THAT IF SOMEBODY'S ONLY LOOKING AT THIS CODE, THEY WOULD KNOW TO LOOK AT THE I M C FOR WHAT THAT REQUIRE.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE FINISHED PAGE ONE, BEFORE WE GET ONTO PAGE TWO, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND WE TAKE A BIOLOGY BREAK.
THAT STAFF HAS NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
WE'LL TAKE A, TAKE A SHORT RECESS, UH, COME BACK IN 10 MINUTES OR 20 MINUTES TO THREE.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED BACK UP WITH, UH, ALTERNATE, UH, FILLING IN WHILE OUR, UH, PRIMARY MEMBERS OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
UH, ONE THING I DO WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU USE YOUR MICROPHONE, UH, WHEN ASKING QUESTIONS AND RESPONDING.
UH, SO THAT ONE WE HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD, BUT TWO, WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENED REMOTELY TO BE ABLE TO FULLY PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
AND WE WILL REMIND BRIAN WHEN HE GETS BACK AS WELL.
UM, SO CONTINUING, MOVING INTO PAGE TWO, WE'RE AT ITEM NUMBER 23, WATER ENVELOPES.
THIS IS A, UH, CSA AMENDMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE 2018, RECOMMENDED TO KEEP IT AGAIN.
UH, THAT ONCE AGAIN, UH, THIS SPECIFYING WHAT STATE CODES, UH, SUPERSEDE.
AND THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, SO I'LL PULL IT UP.
BUT IT'S REALLY REMOVING TABLES AND SPECIFICATIONS AND, AND PUTTING IN THE ACTUAL TABLE FROM THE CODE.
SO THIS IS THE MINE AND DIVING WATER ENVELOPE SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH INSTEAD OF TABLE 4 0 2 POINT 12 FROM THE CODE.
AND LET ME MAKE THIS, UH, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD PROBABLY STARTED WITH THIS.
SO, CHAPTER FOUR, UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOW MOVING INTO ITEMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
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LET ME, LEMME DOUBLE CHECK THAT.SO WE'RE, UH, EXCUSE ME J JEROME, IF I COULD JUST INTERRUPT AND ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET OUT OF THIS CHAPTER THREE.
UH, GEORGE SALIBA, UH, IF WE COULD GO TO, UH, IN CHAPTER THREE, UH, GO TO GET THE SPEECH.
UH, IT'D BE THREE DASH ONE IF YOU'RE IN THE CODE BOOK.
SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS A DEFINITION FOR, UH, CREATING THIS TEST FOR INSPECTION BE EITHER DISCUSSED OR IMPLEMENTED OR I GUESS ENTERED INTO HERE.
ARE Y'ALL INSPECTING FOR THAT NOW? NO.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU INSPECT? IF YOU WERE INSPECTING, WHAT WOULD YOU BE INSPECTING FOR MILTON MORALES, UH, PLUMBING SUPERVISOR AT THIS TIME, WHAT WE LOOK AT IS NORMALLY THE PULL FILL LINE COMING OFF OF, UH, EITHER A BIB, IF IT'S GONNA BE HOSE BIB, UH, OR A T POSSIBLY, UH, RAN OFF OF THE BIB GOING INTO A FILL LINE OR WHEREVER THEY CATCH IT AT.
UH, IF USING A POOL HEATER, WE'LL INSPECT A POOL HEATER OR GAS GOING TO THE UNIT.
SO ARE YOU, BUT YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY, YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED AT ALL RIGHT NOW IN PIPES AND TRENCHES? NO.
DO YOU WANT TO BE WELL, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE,
NO, BUT I MEAN THAT THIS IS NOT LIKE A HOUSE WHERE DE ARE DIFFICULT.
I WILL SAY IT'S AIR, IT'S NOT FULL AT THAT POINT WHEN THE TRENCHES THERE, NONE OF THE PIPES ARE CONNECTED.
I'LL ALSO INCLUDE ON THAT, UM, ON COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL POOLS, WE DO LOOK AT THE SEWER LINES GOING TO, UH, THE BACKWASH AREA.
SO AGAIN, CONNECTED TO THE SEWER.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT ALL THE, THE SECTION AND RETURN LINE PIPING, THE WATER LINE GOING TO THE, THE POOL, WHICH YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA LOOK AT EITHER.
THE WATER LINE, THE POTABLE WATER.
WE DO LOOK AT, UH, THE FILL LINE GOING TO THE POOL.
BUT AS FAR AS THE RETURN LINES, THAT'S THE PRESSURE ON THE PIPE.
EASIER TO CHECK, SORRY, BRIAN SMITH, UH, WHERE YOU CAN DO A WATER FIELD AND ACTUALLY SEE THAT THERE'S BEEN NO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LINE AND SEE WHETHER WE HAVE A LEAK FOR, FOR THIS.
IT'S, IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO DO IT TEST.
THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE, UM, AN AIR TEST AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, SHALL NOT USE COMPRESSED AIR.
SO I, I DON'T SEE HOW, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM IN DOING IT LIKE A D W V TEST,
YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT INLETS AND, AND SUCH.
WHAT YOU HAVE, LIKE I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE POOL I JUST DESIGNED.
I MEAN, I'VE GOT WATERFALLS, I'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S MULTIPLE.
WELL, IT, IT, IT, IT, THE ONLY REASON WHY I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE IT'S STATED IN HERE YET.
THERE'S NO DEFINITION ON HOW TO TEST EXCEPT NOT HERE.
CAN I DIRECT MY QUESTION OR A QUESTION TO THE POOL PROFESSIONALS HERE ON HOW Y'ALL TEST Y'ALL'S MINDS? WE, UH, PUSH? YEAH.
I'M JERRY HEWITT, BLUE HAVEN PULSES.
UH, WE, WE PRESSURIZE THE, UH, SYSTEM, UH, WITH A HEADER ON THE TOP OF THE GAUGE.
UH, BUT WE, WE PUT WATER INTO IT AND WE USUALLY HOLD IT AT ABOUT 20 P S I WHAT, ACCORDING TO THE INSPECTOR, I THINK IT'S ONLY FOR LIKE SEVEN MINUTES OR SOMETHING.
FOR SEVEN POUNDS FOR SEVEN MINUTES.
BUT WE PUT 20 POUNDS AND WE LEAVE IT FOR A WEEK.
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AND THAT'S ON ALL YOUR SECTION LINES AND EVERYTHING.SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE ADDED AN INSPECTION REQUIREMENT TO THAT, IT WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH Y'ALL TOO MUCH IN THE SENSE THAT Y'ALL HAVE IT THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND SO WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND LOOK AT IT FOR A 10 MINUTE PERIOD.
IF WE WERE TO KIND OF DEFINE THAT.
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T, THAT'S MORE OF A PROCEDURAL THING.
I DON'T THINK WE WOULD DEFINE THAT PROCESS HERE.
IF IF SOMEBODY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, IT'D BE BE LIKE A CI OR AN IB, UH, PROCESS.
SO BRIAN SMITH, I, I WOULD, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING ON OUR, UH, UH, ROUGH INSPECTIONS FOR PLUMBING ANYWAYS, THEN FOLLOW THAT KIND OF PROCEDURES WHERE THE SAME TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT WAY IT'S A CONSISTENT PROCESS.
'CAUSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME KIND OF THING.
IF YOU DID A WATER LINE WHERE YOU'RE HAVING IT, THEN IF WE WERE TO TEST THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE A CONSISTENT BYLINE, NOT ONLY IN BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION, BUT IN THE POOLS AS WELL.
WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE THE WORST OF ALL WORLDS IS YOU GET IT ALL HOOKED UP AND YOU, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
AND THEN YOU GOTTA GO FIND, DIG EVERYTHING OUT.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED, YOU'RE PRESSURIZING IT NOW.
EVERYBODY WHO IS DOING A POOL IS PRESSURIZING THE LINE.
IS THERE SOME KIND OF STANDARD WAY THAT EVERYBODY DOES IT? WELL, IT IS THAT WAY.
IT'S, IT'S PRESSURIZED THROUGH WATER.
JUST YOU HOOK A HOSE BIB UP TO IT, CORRECT.
A GARDEN HOSE UP TO SOME VALVE AND YOU SHUT CORRECT OFF.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRESSURE GAUGE THAT JUST STAYS ON THERE.
AND SO EVERY TIME WE SWING BY YOU CAN LOOK AT IT.
SO EVERYBODY KEEPS AN EYE ON THAT GAUGE.
WE DO IT SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THERE'S NO LEAKS IN THE PIPING BEFORE YOU CLOSE, BEFORE WE PROCEED AND PUT CONCRETE AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO MY, MY QUESTION TO THE CITY IS, YOU KNOW, DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO OUT INSPECT OR CAN THE CONTRACTOR GIVE YOU A SELF-CERTIFICATION THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS TESTING? I MEAN, WE HAVE THAT OPTION AND UH, YOU KNOW, MOST LIKELY, YOU KNOW, SO REALLY WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE ADOPTED THIS IN ABOUT 2020, WHICH DID, LOOKING AT THE FULL CODE AND WHAT WE ORIGINALLY WERE ADOPTING IN THE I R C AND THE IP, UH, I B C FOR CODE AND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, IT INCREASED A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT BY THE CITY.
UH, BUT THEN WE'VE KIND OF, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID AT THAT POINT AND AFTER THAT OUR, WE WERE TASKED VERY HEAVILY BY THE INDUSTRY ON A NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS AND YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT AND TRYING TO ADD MORE INSPECTIONS TO WHEN WE WERE ALREADY FALLING, WELL, WELL BELOW OUR 95%, UH, NEXT DAY DELIVERY, IT WAS SOMETHING WE KIND OF TABLED AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DO, WE DID DEVELOP AN IB.
WE DO HAVE A CHECKLIST OF, OF WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO GET TO.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, IT WOULD BE A THROUGH PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, OF AN IB AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GET WITH THE INDUSTRY BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY START SHOWING UP AND
WE WOULD GET OUT THERE AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S AN IB.
HERE'S HOW WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH NEW ADDITIONAL INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS.
AND HOW WE APPROACH THAT WOULD BE YES.
WOULD THERE BE AN INSPECTION, WOULD IT BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE ENERGY CODE OF, YOU KNOW, SELF, SELF INSPECTING AND SAYING, I CERTIFIED THIS TYPE THING, UM, OR A THIRD PARTY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD KIND OF VET THAT AND, AND DO THAT THROUGH AN INFORMATION BULLETIN TO THE INDUSTRY.
BUT BRIAN SMITH, SO YOU, YOU'D BE FINE IF WE WOULD HAVE WHOEVER'S PULLING THE PERMIT, WHETHER IT BE BLUE HAVEN OR WHOEVER'S THE CONTRACTOR HAVING A CERTIFICATION THAT THE PLUMBING WAS TESTED.
OR DO WE WANT THE CITY TO TEST? I MEAN THAT'S WHERE I'M, I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO DEFINE AT THIS LEVEL THAT WOULD BE MORE OF AN INTERNAL, UH, INFORMATION BULLETIN THAT WE WOULD DO STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS.
AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE IF, IF IT'S CONSISTENT THAT IT'S OPEN FOR DAYS AND WE, YOU KNOW, ARE AT OUR, OUR NEXT DAY INSPECTIONS ARE UP TO CLOSER THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT, WHICH IS WE'RE ON THE PLUMBING SIDE, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD IMPACT THE INDUSTRY TOO MUCH.
IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THEM TO JUST SCHEDULE AN INSPECTION.
WE GO OUT THERE AND DO IT VERSUS THEM HAVING TO DO A LETTER AND, AND CERTIFYING AND, AND GETTING SOMETHING TO US.
SO, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO SEE AS A CITY? YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING VERSUS, OKAY, WE DO NEED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
SO WHAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THAT WITH THE INDUSTRY OF WHETHER IT BE A LETTER THIRD PARTY OR CITY ONLY? AND, AND BRIAN SMITH, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE CAN WE DO IT EITHER OR THAT WAY IF, IF THE CONTRACTOR WANTS THE CITY TO COME, THEY CAN DO IT.
IF NOT, THEY CAN ALSO DO A LETTER.
UH, REMEMBER A LETTER IS ONLY THERE TO RELIEVE THE CITY OF IN YOUR LIABILITY, YOU KNOW? I UNDERSTAND.
I'D RATHER HAVE THE INSPECTION.
AND THAT'S WHY THE EITHER OR, AND THE, AND THE REASON WHY I WOULD SAY THE OR IS DEPENDING ON, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN I'VE CALLED AND, AND THEY'RE BEHIND.
I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON AND I'VE GOT A SCHEDULE.
SO IF I'M ALREADY GOT IT UP AND IT'S BEEN PRESSURIZED AND TESTED AND THE, THE HARDEST THING IS WHAT WE HAVE IS, IS FAR AS LEAD TIMES FROM OUR SUBCONTRACTORS.
IF I DON'T KEEP WITHIN THAT, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I GET BOOKED BACK THREE WEEKS OR MORE.
SO FROM A INDUSTRY STANDARD ONE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S DONE CORRECTLY.
SO IF THE CONTRACTOR'S DOING IT, YES, HE'S CERTIFYING AND THEN TAKING
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ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY, I'D PREFER TO HAVE THE CITY OR AN ENGINEER DOING IT.AND, AND BOTTOM LINE, AS A CONTRACTOR, YOU WANT IT DONE RIGHT BECAUSE IT COSTS US MORE MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, TO RE DIG IT AND REDO IT.
BUT FROM A, JUST FROM WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN OUR INDUSTRY, IF WE HAVE THE EITHER OR IF WE DID DO IT CERTIFIED, WE'VE CHECKED IT.
I CAN STILL STAY ON THAT SCHEDULE.
AND IF, IF THE BOARD'S OKAY WITH THAT, THAT'S, I THINK WOULD BE, IT STILL MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO.
UH, 'CAUSE THEY'RE WANTING SOMEBODY TO CERTIFY THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE.
SO, SO COULD WE CHANGE THE WORD FROM INSPECTED TO JUST, IT SHALL BE TESTED PRIOR TO BACK FILLING AND YOU CAN REQUIRE AS PART OF YOUR PERMIT PROCESS A CERTIFICATION OF THE TESTING? I MEAN, STAFF RECOMMENDATION, ONCE AGAIN, WE, WE TRY TO LIMIT HOW MANY AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE HAVE UNDER, UH, CHAPTER ONE OF THE, UH, I'M SORRY, UH, ARTICLE ONE OF CHAPTER 10, THAT THE CITY, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS ALLOWED TO ACCEPT LETTERS INSTEAD IN LIEU OF AN INSPECTION AS A GENERAL.
UM, AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT WOULD FALL UNDER INDUSTRY WORKING WITH THE INDUSTRY AND COMING UP WITH A PRO PROCEDURE AND PROCESS THROUGH AN INFORMATION BULLETIN.
AND IF WE DID DO A, A LETTER, WE WOULD HAVE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, THAT INFORMATION BULLETIN.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD REALLY NEED AN AMENDMENT HERE UNLESS THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO, BUT STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
IF WE START ENFORCING THIS, YOU KNOW, AS WE GET LESS BUSY OR I THINK WE'LL STAY AS BUSY, BUT ONCE WE GET FULLY STAFFED UP WHERE WE NEED TO BE TO, TO BE AT OUR A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT WE WANT TO BE IN, WE CAN LOOK INTO INCREASING THE NUMBER OF INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SWIMMING POOL.
THEN WE WOULD DO THAT WITH THE INDUSTRY AND JUST DO IT THROUGH A INFORMATION BULLETIN ONLY.
BUT LIKE ON A COMMERCIAL POOL, WHICH THIS WOULD ALSO APPLY TO, YOU MAY DO THE PLUMBING IN THE POOL AND NOT DO THE PIPES ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE IT GOES, TILL A LATER POINT IN TIME WHEN YOU KNOW THINGS ARE MORE GRADED AND YOU KNOW, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO COME OUT THERE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR TIMES BY THE TIME EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE WITH THIS JURY.
THIS PUTS US BACK INTO WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
WE HAVE A SCHEDULE TO MEET, NOW YOU'RE ASKING US TO CALL THE INSPECTOR THAN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING NOW, GIVEN, SO THAT'S, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, NO, AND I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH.
ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY IS INSTEAD OF CREATING AN AMENDMENT HERE, WE ALREADY HAVE IT BUILT IN THAT THE CITY AT ANY TIME CAN ACCEPT A LETTER.
BUT SO, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT KIND OF DEAL IS, IS WHEN IT SAYS SHALL BE INSPECTED, IT MEANS IT HAS TO BE INSPECTED AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU, YOU'RE NOT INSPECTING NOW CORRECT.
SO HAVING IT IN HAVING A LINE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT THE SEWER LINE CHECKED AND WHY YOU WANT THE POTABLE WATER CHECKED, YOU KNOW, FOR BACKFLOW AND ALL THAT.
SO YOU'RE NOT POISONING SOMEONE IN THE HOUSE.
BUT THIS IS JUST A, A LINE GOING TO AND FROM THE POOL.
AND I JUST THINK, AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE TIMES YOU CAN DO IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE WAY TO WHERE MY PUMPS ARE RIGHT AWAY.
SO I JUST, I'D LIKE TO MOVE OR RECOMMEND THAT WE CHANGE THE WORD SHALL, SHALL BE TESTED PRIOR TO BACKFILL.
CORRECT? IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S EVERY, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, BUT THE, IN A RESIDENTIAL, IT'S THAT SWIMMING POOL IS ITS OWN SELF ENTITY.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO ANYTHING OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S A CLOSED, I I BUT YEAH, IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM.
BUT TO DO YOU TEST EVERY RESIDENT? I'M NOT SAYING INSPECT.
DO YOU TEST EVERY, THEN YOU'RE THAT'S CORRECT.
SO MY SUGGESTION IS, IS, AND THIS APPLIES TO EVERY POOL, THAT THE WORD INSPECTED BE CHANGED TO TESTED PRIOR TO BACKFILL.
AND THEN THAT IS PART OF GETTING THE FINAL INSPECTION ON THE POOL SAYING OKAY, IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVIDE A COPY TO THE CITY OF, OF SOME KIND OF SE SELF TEST THAT GIVES YOU AN NEITHER.
OR DOES THAT CAN EITHER BE TESTED, IT CAN BE BE OBJECT OR IT COULD BE BY, THIS IS MARK FAMOUS.
I, I'D ALSO, BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S MORE TO, UM, THEN JUST TESTING OF THE PIPE.
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RIGHT.BRIAN SMITH? JUST, IT'S, IT'S THE, JUST THE DEFINITION OF WHAT MARK WAS SAYING IS JUST SAYING INSTEAD OF INSPECTING, IT'S THE TESTING, IT STILL HAS TO MEET THE I B C I PC.
I MEAN, IT ACTUALLY DID POOL WATER'S CONSIDERED PROCESS.
THE, THE, I DON'T SEE WHERE THE I P C ACTUALLY INVOLVED CIRCULAR LEADING WATER POOL POOL WATER.
I WAS, I WAS LOOKING AT THE BACKFLOW PROTECTION ACCORDING TO I P C, THE TERM THAT THEY, THIS IS MARKED AGAIN, THE, THE TERM THEY USE INSPECTED IS NOT DEFINED HERE.
SO IT, TO ME IT DOESN'T, IT'S, IT'S A VAGUE USE OF THE TERM.
AND SO TO YOUR POINT, YOU'RE A QUALIFIED POOL CONTRACTOR, CAN'T YOU SELF, CAN'T YOU DO THE IN INSPECT INSPECTION, TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS, YOU KNOW, WRITE REPORTS.
DOESN'T THAT QUALIFY AS AN INSPECTION IN THE ABSENCE OF A DEFINITION OF INSPECTED, BUT I WOULD MAKE THE CASE THAT WHEN IT SAYS SHALL BE INSPECTED, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY MAKING THE INSPECTION.
WELL, SO WE NEED A LAWYER INTERPRETER.
SO OUR, OUR ATTORNEY HERE, YEAH.
UH, USE OF THE WORD INSPECT, I THINK TO ME IS KIND OF A DEFAULT TO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY.
RAY, WHAT SECTION DO WE HAVE ABOUT ACCEPTING LETTERS? I'M TRYING TO FIND THAT UNDER CHAPTER 10.
DO YOU KNOW I HAVE CHAPTER 10 OVER HERE.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COME LOOKING AT HER.
BUT MOSTLY WHAT I WANNA DO, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING AN AMENDMENT.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE WHAT WE GUARDED CURRENTLY ALREADY HAVE ON THE BOOKS TO SEE IF THAT SUFFICES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OR IF WE NEED TO ADD AN AMENDMENT SPECIFIC TO THIS.
BUT IF Y'ALL ARE BEHIND AND YOU HAVE CONCRETE SCHEDULED, ARE YOU LEAVING? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, THIS IS MARK.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE POOL GUYS.
WHAT POOL GUYS? WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES? JERRY, YOU SAID THAT YOU LEAVE IT WITH WATER FOR SEVEN DAYS.
SO IF YOU'RE BEHIND SCHEDULE AND YOU HAVE ALREADY SET UP CONCRETE FOR THREE DAYS FROM NOW, YOU'RE CANCELING THE CONCRETE TO DO THE TEST.
NO, BECAUSE IT ONLY HAS TO, ACCORDING TO THE, THE REGULATIONS, IT ONLY HAS TO HOLD, UM, PRESSURE FOR SEVEN MINUTES.
SEVEN POUNDS FOR SEVEN MINUTES.
AND, AND IF YOUR PEOPLE COME OUT AND WANT TO WORK ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY TO GET IT DONE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE CONCRETE INS AND YOU'RE INSTALLING CONCRETE ON MONDAY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO HAVE TO CALL THE CITY TO GET AN INSPECTION.
SO I, I, I AGAIN WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CHANGED THE WORD INSPECTED TO BE TESTED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING IT NOW AND THERE'S NO REASON BECAUSE IT'S A SELF, IT'S NOT A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALL THE LIFE SAFETY STUFF LIKE THE PLUMBING, SEWER LINES, ELECTRIC LINES, WATER LINES, THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE INSPECTED UNDER THE REGULAR PLUMBING, YOU KNOW, AND MECHANICAL AND WHATEVER OTHER PERMIT YOU NEED.
BRIAN SMITH, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ONE PRECAUTION WE SAY TESTING INSTEAD OF INSPECTED, WE HAVE TO GIVE PARAMETERS UNDER WHICH IT NEEDS TO BE TESTED.
THOSE PARAMETERS COULD CONSIST OF INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO GIVE SOME KIND OF PARAMETERS.
SO AGAIN, IT, EVEN THOUGH NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA JUST DO A CERTI, UH, CERT, A CERTIFICATE OR A LETTER SAYING THAT WE'VE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TESTED IT, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A STANDARD TO TEST.
IS THERE, IS IT DEFINED SOMEWHERE YOU KEEP REFERRING?
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THERE IS A, UM, A DEFINITION IN, UH, IN ONE OF THE BOOKS THAT I JUST DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IT SAYS X AMOUNT OF PRESSURE, POUNDS OF PRESSURE FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME.SO YOU'RE SAYING 20 POUNDS OF PRESSURE FOR SEVEN MINUTES, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
BUT IT'S, IT'S X YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF POUNDS OF PRESSURE, WATER PRESSURE FOR X AMOUNT OF MINUTES.
AND THAT'S, UH, AFTER WE, BEFORE WE SET OUR EQUIPMENT, BEFORE WE POUR ANY CONCRETE, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, WE PRESSURE TEST TO MAKE SURE THERE THERE'S NO LEAKS.
I DON'T, WELL, I THINK FOR CONTINUITY THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING HERE.
SO, SO CAN YOU GET THAT STANDARD? EVERYBODY CAN REFER TO IT WHETHER THEY'RE BUILDING POOLS OR NOT, YOU KNOW, SO CAN YOU GET THAT STANDARD TO JEREMY OF EITHER WHAT IF, IF IT'S A, SOME NATIONAL STANDARD OR WHATEVER THE LANGUAGE IS AND WE CAN JUST DROP IT IN THERE AND, AND I WOULD ALSO, BECAUSE THIS SAYS IT'S CONCEALED PIPING INSPECTIONS, I WOULD THIS INCLUDE STUFF IN THE CONCRETE PIPES.
SO IT'S A COUPLE THINGS YOU'LL HAVE, SORRY, BRIAN SMITH.
SO THIS IS THE CONCEALED, SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR RETURNS, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE POOL AREA BEFORE YOU SHOT CREEK.
THIS IS ALL WHEN YOU TRENCH, GOING BACK TOWARDS YOUR PLUMBING EQUIPMENT, ALL THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE GROUND, ALL OF THAT.
BUT THE WAY THIS READS, IT'S ONLY THE PIPE IN A TRENCH NEEDS TO BE INSPECTED.
YEAH, BUT THAT, NO, I, BUT THAT'S JUST THE TITLE.
MIKE MORALES, UH, THREE 11.9 HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE TESTING, UH, 25 POUNDS AT 15 MINUTES.
OKAY, SO CAN WE JUST, AND THAT WOULD MEET THE TEST FOR THAT? YES.
SO YOU DO THAT WITH AN INSPECTION.
TALKING ABOUT INSPECTIONS AND WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD ACCEPT.
SO THIS IS CHAPTER 10, VOTING OFFICIALS SHALL MAKE ALL REQUIRED INSPECTIONS OR MAY ACCEPT REPORTS OR INSPECTION OF INSPECTION BY APPROVED AGENCIES OR INDIVIDUALS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS I WAS SAYING, IF WE WANTED TO NOT HAVE AN AMENDMENT, THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVING SAYING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE US ACTUALLY OUT THERE GOING OUT THERE.
IF WE HAVE SOME APPROVED PROCESS, WHICH WE WOULD DO THROUGH AN INFORMATION BULLETIN ON, YOU KNOW, OVERALL OF HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH, UH, ADOPTING THE 2021 AND THIS WORKING WITH THE POLE INDUSTRY, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF COVERED THAT WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO ACCEPT LETTERS AND SPECIFYING WHO IS THAT APPROVED AGENCY, UH, WHICH COULD, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY IF, IF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WANTS IT COULD BE THE INSTALLER IS THE ONE CERTIFYING IT AS WELL.
BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE, ON THE TABLE, SO I GUESS WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WOULD YOU ALL FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH INSPECTED OR TESTED RATHER THAN JUST TEST IT AND GIVING THE PEOPLE THE CHOICE TO DO EITHER OR? THIS IS MARK BEMA JEREMY.
SO CAN I CLARIFY FROM YOU THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE AS IT STANDS, GIVES THE CITY THE GREATEST FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE CORRECT.
UNDER INSPECTION? SO WE HAVE THIS SECTION ALREADY UNDER CHAPTER 10 OF WHAT IT MEANS TO INSPECT AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER US BE ON SITE AND LOOKING AT IT OR HAVING, UM, A REPORT SENT TO US AND DEFINING WHAT THAT REPORT NEEDS TO BE AND WHO IT NEEDS TO COME FROM.
ALRIGHT THEN I'M, I'M OF THE OPINION PERSONALLY THAT WE SHOULD JUST LEAVE THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS AND NOT CONSIDER AN AMENDMENT HERE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MIKE LEAVES SOMEBODY NEW COMES IN AND SAYS, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY MORE LETTER STUFF AND OUR INSPECTORS ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN CHECKING THIS STUFF NOW, CORRECT? WELL, CORRECT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE 2018 ADOPTED, SO WE ADOPTED IT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND WE HAD THE INTENT OF TRYING TO MEET EVERYTHING UNDER THAT 2018.
BUT BECAUSE OF OUR WORKLOAD, YOU KNOW, THE FEASIBILITY OF ADDING OUR, OUR SCOPE OF WORK REQUIREMENTS JUST WASN'T FEASIBLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET FULLY STAFFED AND AS WE START MOVING BACK INTO MEETING THE INDUSTRY REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR OUR INSPECTIONS, WE DO WANNA DO THAT.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE AS THIS SAYS RIGHT HERE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UH, MAKE ALL REQUIRED INSPECTIONS.
AND THIS SPECIFIES SPEC, NOT JUST THIS, BUT A LOT OF NEW THINGS THAT WE NEVER LOOKED AT, BOTH ON THE BUILDING AND THE, UH, PLUMBING SIDE, WHERE I THINK ELECTRICAL IS PROBABLY THE ONE THAT WE COVER THE MOST.
WE ALREADY MEET A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.
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UM, SO TO MARK'S ANSWER, I MEAN, YES.I MEAN, IF, IF WE GOT A NEW BUILDING OFFICIALLY THAT CAME IN AND, AND HAD US, YOU KNOW, BE LESS INDUSTRY FRIENDLY, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT WORKING WITH OUR CUSTOMERS AND KIND OF SAYING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY.
UM, I'M NOT, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE, IT'S, IT'S A BIG WHAT IF, I GUESS IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO SAY, BUT I, I THINK THAT WOULD IMPACT A LOT OF THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, CASE IN POINT WOULD BE A LOT OF THE ENERGY STUFF WOULD MOVE AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING LETTERS THAT CERTIFY THE ENERGY OF US GOING OUT DOING THOSE INSPECTIONS.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, THAT THE SWIMMING POOL WOULD BE A SMALL ONE COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER AREAS THAT WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF OVERLAP.
JUST, JUST ONE, UH, ADDITIONAL REMINDERS IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD TO OCCUR THAT THE CODE APPEALS BOARD THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, THE INDIVIDUAL, THE COMPANY WOULD'VE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILE AN APPEAL, WHICH WOULD BE HEARD BY THE BOARD.
AND I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT BASED ON MY TENURE ON THE BOARD UP TO THIS POINT, THAT THAT WOULD BE FAVORABLY FOUND IN FAVOR OF THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THE PRECEDENTS HAD PRETTY MUCH BEEN SET BY THE CITY AND THE APPROACH THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING, UM, I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE NEED TO ACT ON THE MOTION FIRST.
THAT IS, SO IF WE ARE DONE WITH DISCUSSION, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE COMPLETELY EXHAUSTED ALL THE DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.
SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, HEARING NONE, WE NEED TO ENTERTAIN A VOTE FOR THE MOTION.
AND THE MOTION IS TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FROM IN INSPECTION.
SO, SO I'M GONNA PULL THAT UP, GET TO THAT PARTICULAR PROTECTED TO TEST IT, CORRECT? YEAH, I JUST WANT, I WANT TO, SO IT'S ON THE SCREEN.
SO 3 3 0 2 0.4 PIPING, INCLUDING PROCESS PIPING THAT IS INSTALLED IN TRENCHES SHALL BE TESTED PRIOR TO BACK FILLING AND WITH THE STANDARD, SORRY, BRIAN SMITH WITH THE STANDARD OF 25 P S I, UH, OVER 15 MINUTES.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
SO I THINK WE WOULD'VE TO FINISH, FINISH THIS MOTION AND THEN ADD A SECOND.
SO I'VE GOT OBJECTION FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'VE GOT A MODIFICATION TO THE AMENDMENT AND WE HAVE A SECOND TO THE MOD MODIFIED AMENDMENT.
ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
UH, JUST FOR OUR RECORD, I, WHY DON'T WE, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO DO A, A HAND VOTE.
UM, FOR THAT ONE REAL FAST IF WE DO HAVE AN A, AN OPPOSED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THREE IN FAVOR.
OPPOSED OF ONE OPPOSED CHAIR'S UPSTANDING.
OKAY, SO THREE TO ONE MOTION PASSES.
OKAY WITH ME ADDING THAT LANGUAGE BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INTO THE WORD DOCUMENT LATER ON AND, AND HAVING THAT JUST AS A WHOLE.
UM, SO LET ME JUST MAKE A QUICK NOTE TO MYSELF HERE IN THAT SECTION, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S JUST A CIRCULATION LINES.
AND IF THERE WAS A GAS LINE RUNNING TO A POOL, HEATER PUMP, THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE INSPECTED AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THE GAS LINE, THE GAS LINE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE INSPECTED.
DEFINITELY PERMITTED, INSPECTED, YES.
AND TESTED REAL QUICK, WHAT WAS THOSE, UH, MINUTES IN P S I ONE MORE TIME? UH, 25 P S I OVER 15 MINUTES.
SO THAT'S JUST MY MENTAL NOTE AND I'LL GET THAT AMENDED AND, AND SPELLED OUT CORRECTLY.
BUT WE'LL CHANGE FROM INSPECTED TO TESTED IN 25 TO 15.
SO I THINK WE LEFT OFF, SO WE WERE GONNA ADDRESS.
SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING UNDER CHAPTER 10, UH, THREE.
SO CHAPTER TEN THREE IS THE GENERAL REQUIREMENTS THAT KIND OF OVERLAPS BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
NOW MOVING TO CHAPTER FOUR, WE ARE KIND OF MOVING INTO SPECIFICS, UH, FOR PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS.
UH, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HERE, WHAT WE'RE REALLY CHANGING IS WE, WELL
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NOW WE'RE IN PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS, WHICH THE STATE HAS A WHOLE WHOLE LOT OF OVERLAP FOR.AND THIS AMENDMENT IS REALLY JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S GET RID OF THIS TABLE AND DIAGRAM AND JUST PUT IN THE STATE REQUIRED ONE.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS SAYS 4 0 2 0.12 WATER ENVELOPES, UH, DISCUSSING ABOUT, UH, DIVING REQUIREMENTS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO THIS, DO THE STATE RULES ADDRESS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TOO? YES, THEY DO.
NOT THAT I I'M AWARE OF AND NOTHING.
SO IS THIS ONLY FOR PUBLIC POOLS? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE AMENDING CHAPTER FOUR, WHICH IS FOR PUBLIC ONLY.
UH, SO THIS IS THE, UH, SECTION, THIS IS THE DIAGRAM AND TABLE THAT WE WOULD AMEND OUT AND PUT IN THIS TABLE AND DIAGRAM.
UM, CSA, UH, ITEM NUMBER 24, CSA AMENDMENT FOR 4 0 2 0.13 LADDERS FOR DIVING EQUIPMENT, UH, AS REQUIRE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, SUPPORTS, PLATFORM, STEPS AND LADDERS FOR DIVING.
EQUIPMENT SHALL BE DESIGNED TO CARRY THE ANTICIPATED LOWS, STEPS AND LADDERS SHALL BE OF CORROSION RESISTANT MATERIAL, EASILY CLEANABLE WITH SLIP RESISTANT TREAD AND RE REMOVES THE EXCEPTION.
SO LEMME GO TO THAT SECTION SO Y'ALL CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL CONTENT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, FINAL.
SO REMOVING THAT SECTION, UH, THE EXCEPTION QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.
THIS IS A NEW SECTION ABOUT CONTINUOUS WATER REMOVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDS ADOPTING AS WRITTEN QUESTIONS.
UM, ITEM NUMBER 26, CSA AMENDMENT FOUR 11.2 0.1.
TREADS DIMENSIONS IN AREA REMOVES CURRENT LANGUAGE AND REPLACES WITH TREAD SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM UNOBSTRUCTED HORIZONTAL DEPTH OF 12 INCHES AND A MINIMUM WIDTH OF 20 INCHES.
YOU JUST SAY, I'M SORRY, ONE MORE TIME.
CAN YOU READ THE SECTION NUMBER? YEAH, YEAH.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS WE'RE GOOD.
UH, ITEM NUMBER 27, COA AMENDMENT FOR 4 11 2 0.2 RISERS REMOVES CURRENT LANGUAGES AND REPLACES WITH RISERS.
FOR STEPS SHALL HAVE A MAXIMUM UNIFORM HEIGHT OF 10 INCHES WITH A THE BOTTOM RISER HEIGHT ALLOWED TO TAPER TO ZERO.
NEW SECTION OUTLINED EDGES, NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR EDGES OF STAIRS TO HAVE CONTRASTING TILE OR OTHER PERMANENT MARKING.
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LET'S SEE, SURFACES.THIS IS A CHANGE BETWEEN THE 20 18 20 21, 4, 11 0.3 0.3 REQUIREMENTS FOR BEACH ENTRY.
UP TO 36 INCHES TO BE SLIPPERY RESISTANT.
ADDED THE 36 INCHES REQUIREMENT.
SO REALLY BEFORE IT WAS ANY BEACH ENTRY.
UH, NOW IT'S SAYING THAT WATER DEPTHS UP TO 36 INCHES.
SO MAKING IT A LITTLE LESS STRICT.
QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD? OKAY.
UM, COASTAL, OR THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 30, COASTAL AMENDMENT, UH, FOR 44, 11 0.5 0.1.
SWIM OUTS ADDED REQUIREMENT NUMBER FOUR, UH, PROVIDED WITH A HORIZONTAL SOLID OR BROKEN STRIPE AT LEAST ONE INCH WIDE ON THE TOP SURFACE ALONG THE FRONT LEADING EDGE OF EACH STEP, THE STRIPE SHALL BE PLAINLY VISIBLE TO PERSONS ON THE POOL DECK.
THE STRIPE SHALL BE CONTRASTING COLOR TO THE BACKGROUND AND WHICH IS APPLIED AND THE COLOR SHALL BE PERMANENT IN NATURE AND SHALL BE SLIP RESISTANT SURFACE.
ITEM NUMBER 31, COSA AMENDMENT FOR FOUR 11.
TWO UNDERWATER SEATS AND BENCHES.
ADDING REQUIREMENT NUMBER FIVE AND PROVIDED WITH A HORIZONTAL SOLID OR BROKEN STRIPE AT LEAST ONE INCHES WIDE ON THE TOP SURFACE ALONG THE FRONT LEADING EDGE OF EACH STEP AND THE STRIPE SHALL BE PLAINLY VISIBLE.
UH, SO SAME LANGUAGE AS WE HAD LAST TIME, PLAINLY VISIBLE AND SLIP RESISTANT QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD? OKAY.
WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SECTION BEFORE YOU MOVE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO 31, RIGHT? WE JUST FINISHED 31.
OH, CAN, NO, BUT I MEAN, OKAY.
CAN WE DELETE OUT FOUR 12 SIGNAGE AND JUST SAY ALL SIGNAGE MUST COMPLY WITH DEPARTMENT OF TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RULES BECAUSE ALL THIS STUFF RIGHT NOW IS IN FLUXX AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE, THE PHONE SIGNS AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, THERE'S SOME, UH, FOR PUBLIC POOLS WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE, BUT WITH THE INVENTION OF A CELL PHONE, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING 'EM.
AND SO I WOULD JUST DELETE EVERYTHING AND MAKE, UH, FOUR 12.1 SAFETY SIGNAGE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE EVERYTHING AND JUST SAY, IT MUST COMPLY WITH DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RULES OR, AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHATEVER THAT IS.
'CAUSE WE QUOTED IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
UH, RAM DO YOU HAVE ANY, WHAT DO WE NORMALLY LOOK FOR WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNAGE CURRENTLY FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UH, POOLS.
I THINK ALL A, ANY E UM, SIGNAGE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE POSTED AS THE DISABILITY SEC.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE, THE CITY AGENCY THAT LOOKS AT SIGNAGE AND ALL THAT STUFF IS, IS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BECAUSE DON'T THEY STILL DO THE POOL INSPECTIONS? CORRECT.
AND SO THEY HAVE A, THE STATE HAS LIKE A 25, YOU KNOW, FRONT AND BACK WITH A THOUSAND QUESTIONS THAT THEY USE TO FILL OUT.
AND I WOULD JUST RATHER THAN PUT SOMETHING IN HERE THAT IS WRONG INFORMATION, JUST LET'S REFER 'EM TO THE STATE RULES.
UH, COULD YOU SAY ONE MORE TIME WITH STATE RULES? YOU TALKED TO YOUR, THE, THE DEPARTMENT, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH PUBLISHES RULES FOR SIGNAGE AT PUBLIC POOLS.
SO WHATEVER, IT'S, IT'S THERE, THERE MUST BE, YOU'VE QUOTED IT, IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT? IT'S THE SAME ONE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME SET OF RULES.
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DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE SECTIONS.'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, AND I WOULDN'T LIST THE REQUIREMENTS.
I WOULD JUST, YEAH, THIS MY, JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT AT THIS.
I, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY'RE UNDER REVIEW FOR THE SECOND TIME IN LIKE TWO OR THREE YEARS.
SO THIS WOULD BE, I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANY WORDSMITHING, IT WOULD BE CLERICAL I THINK AT THIS POINT.
BUT THIS WOULD BE THE INTENT OF THE, UH, THE AMENDMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT BRINGS US BACK TO NUMBER 32.
ALRIGHT, SO WE ARE MOVING TO CHAPTER SIX.
UH, LET ME CHECK TO SEE WHAT THAT CHAPTER IS.
SO THIS IS AQUATIC AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS A CSSA AMENDMENT FOR SECTION 6 0 3 0.2 REMOVED REQUIREMENTS FOR D TWO POOLS AND ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR CLASS A AND B POOLS.
I MEAN, THIS IS BASICALLY THE THING THAT SQUIRTS WATER UP OR SWARTZ WATER DOWN.
RIGHT? JEREMY? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THIS SECTION APPLIES TO POOL OR THINGS THAT SQUIRT WATER UP OR SQUIRT WATER DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY A POOL.
FOUNTAIN THAT, UH, PUBLIC POOLS AND WATER CONTAINMENT SYSTEMS USED FOR AQUATIC RECREATION CHAPTERS COVERS CLASSES.
UM, YEAH, AND I, YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE SOME THAT WE KIND OF GOT THROUGH, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR THE INDUSTRY, UH, THAT WAS KIND OF UNIFORM ACROSS ALL THE OTHER CITIES.
UM, SO I, I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER WHY WE'RE CHANGING IT FROM D TWO TO THESE OTHER CLASS.
UNDER THIS SECTION WE WERE KIND OF JUST FOLLOWING, UH, WHAT THE INDUSTRY WAS KIND OF BRINGING TO OUR ATTENTION AND, UH, THE OTHER CITIES WERE ADOPTING.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WE'RE GOOD? OKAY.
THIS IS A CHANGE FROM THE 2018 TO 2021 ADDRESSING IN SANITARY FACILITIES TOOK OUT REQUIREMENTS FOR WATER CLOSETS, URINALS, LABORATORY AND DRINKING FOUNTAINS AND REFERENCED I B C AND I P C.
UM, SO LET ME PULL UP THAT SECTION.
SO THIS IS SECTION 6 0 9, BUT I THINK REALLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF BEING REDUNDANT, JUST GOING BACK TO THE OTHER CODES THAT SPECIFY WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR A PUBLIC FACILITY.
QUESTIONS? COMMENTS WE'RE GOOD.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY NEW PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE.
AND THIS IS ABOUT INFANT CARE AND, UH, BABY CHANGING TA STATIONS OR TABLES.
AND THE CHANGE IS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR I B C AMENDMENT FOR BABY CHANGING STATIONS.
INSTEAD OF SAYING YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OR FOUR OR TWO OR MORE WATER CLOSETS PER OUR AMENDMENT UNDER THE I B C, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR ANY FACILITY.
UH, SO WE WERE JUST REMOVING FOR TWO OR MORE WATER CLOSETS AND SAYING ALL TOILET FACILITIES WOULD HAVE TO.
UM, AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE FACILITIES, WE HAVE A LOT OF SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT UNDER THE I B C.
SO YOU REALLY ONLY NEED ONE BABY CHANGING STATION.
AND IF YOU MEET THAT INTENT BY THROUGH SIGNAGE OF GO TO THIS LOCATION, YOU CAN ACCESS IT THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE IT IN EVERY SINGLE FACILITY.
QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.
UNIFORM HEIGHT OF NINE INCHES.
UH, THIS WAS A PREVIOUS AMENDMENT CHANGING IT FROM NINE TO 10 INCHES FOR UNIFORM HEIGHT OF RISERS FOR AQUATIC RECREATION FACILITIES.
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QUESTIONS? COMMENTS WE'RE GOOD.ITEM NUMBER 36, UH, SECTION SIX 12 INTERACTIVE WATER PLAY FEATURES.
UH, THIS IS A NEW SECTION, UH, PROPOSED TO ADOPT AS WRITTEN QUESTIONS.
UH, THIS IS A COAST AMENDMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS ADOPTION, UH, AND RECOMMENDED TO KEEP, UH, ADS IN MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS, WHICHEVER IS GREATER FOR MINIMUM WATER ENVELOPES.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE'RE GOOD.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD A, A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT THAT WEREN'T ON THE CITY'S PROVIDED LIST.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OR BRING TO OUR ATTENTION THIS AFTERNOON? NO.
JEREMY, ANY FINAL PIECES OF BUSINESS WE NEED TO CONCLUDE TODAY? I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE VOTE ADOPTED.
WELL, YOU GOT TO, I MOVE THAT WE ADOPTED WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE THIS AFTERNOON.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? BRIAN SMITH SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
OPPOSED? AND JUST FOR THE RECORD REAL QUICK, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S MARK MOSTLY WHEN WE DO OUR MINUTES, WE'RE DOING IT OFF THIS.
SO MARK ROSS WAS MOTION MR. MARK THAT MADE THE MOTION? YES, SIR.
UM, SO THAT CONCLUDES ALL OUR AGENDA ITEMS. UH, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE MUCH IS THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
UM, SO BASED OFF OF EVERYTHING, I THINK THE COMMITTEE'S OKAY WITH PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, ANY CLARIFY ITEMS. IF WE DO HAVE ANYTHING, WE'LL BRING THAT TO THE FULL BOARD SO THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR A, AN ADDITIONAL MEETING FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, SO REALLY WHAT I WANNA PUT OUT THERE, UM, AS, AS I'VE SAID AT ALL OUR OTHER MEETINGS, ALL THIS IS CAN BE FOUND, UH, AT THIS WEBSITE HERE.
UH, ALL THE VIDEOS CAN BE WATCHED LIVE AT THIS LOCATION OR AT THE SAN ANTONIO BOARD'S, MEETINGS, VIDEOS, UH, LINK AND ALSO ALL THE HAVE BEEN RECORDED, UH, AND TRANSLATED.
SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH ALL THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS THERE.
UH, THE BIG ONE THAT I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT, SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT DOES WATCH THIS LIVE ARE, UM, IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE HAVEN'T GONE AND OFFICIALLY GONE THROUGH THE FULL BOARD YET, THEY STILL HAVE TIME TO TO ADDRESS THIS.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COM CODE THEY WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE COMMITTEE OR TO THE FULL BOARD, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL.
EMAIL US AT THE B R F C AAB@SANANTONIO.GOV.
WE'LL PRESENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT, I'LL REACH OUT TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS, LET 'EM KNOW ABOUT THAT.
AND Y'ALL CAN DECIDE IF Y'ALL DO WANNA MEET AGAIN TO ADDRESS THAT OR IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN JUST BRING TO THE FULL BOARD.
BUT, UH, ONE WITH THE, BOTH THE INDUSTRY AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE LAST TIME THEY GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THIS CODE.
AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD AS WELL.
AND WHEN YOU GET THE FINAL, THE DRAFT OF THE LANGUAGE, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'LL EMAIL THAT US.
SO YEAH, I CAN, I'M HAPPY TO, UH, SEND OUT THE CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS FOR THIS AND HAVE Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT AND, AND APPROVE IT, UH, BEFORE THAT.
I DO WANNA THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, THIS PROCESS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE AND IT DOESN'T WORK IF WE DON'T ACTIVELY ENGAGE AND WE CERTAINLY DID THAT TODAY.
I WANNA WANNA THANK STAFF FOR THEIR TIME HERE AND ALSO FOR THE CITIZENS WHO PARTICIPATED AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.