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          BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR 
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BEING HERE. 
          UM, WE WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TODAY TO GIVE YOU A OVERVIEW OF PROPOSED U D C AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE REQUIRING H C R C APPROVAL THIS SUMMER. 
          UM, WE HAVE STAFF HERE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, THE POLICY ADMINISTRATION TEAM THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS FROM THE START. 
          UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, AND MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A, UM, TRAINING THIS DECEMBER WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE PROCESS AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND HAD A DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, BUT THE U D C ALLOWS UPDATES EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, AND THAT IS VERY INTENTIONAL AND BY DESIGN, BECAUSE THE U D C IS A COMPLICATED, UH, DOCUMENT, UH, MEANT TO SERVE FOR, FOR MULTIPLE TYPES OF REVIEWS AND MULTIPLE DISCIPLINES. 
          UM, AND SO WHENEVER AN AMENDMENT IS MADE, IT'S A LOT OF EYES THAT LOOK AT THOSE. 
          AND SO THINGS ARE INTRODUCED SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW THE RIGHT PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE RIGHT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS AND POLICY ADVISORS ARE INVOLVED IN THOSE, THAT RECOMMENDING PROCESS. 
          UM, SO WE ACTUALLY STARTED THIS PROCESS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE 2020 CYCLE. 
          SO EVERY FIVE YEARS, IT WOULD NORMALLY BE, UH, 2015, THEN 2020 AND 2025. 
          UM, SO WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN 2019. 
          AND LET ME GO TO FULL SCREEN HERE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UM, WITH A TASK FORCE, AND SOME OF YOU ACTUALLY SERVED ON THAT. 
          UM, THE MEMBERSHIP INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, UH, UH, CITY STAFF, UM, MEMBERS OF THE REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER KIND OF STAKEHOLDER GROUPS LIKE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND THE WEST WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE. 
          UM, AND REALLY, UM, THE INTENT OF THAT GROUP WAS TO MEET AND KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT WE WANTED OUR UPDATES TO BE. 
          UM, REALLY IT'S WITH THE CYCLE. 
          ANYBODY CAN SUBMIT A U D C AMENDMENT, UH, TO BE PROPOSED AND REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE PROCESS WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          IT'S REALLY OUR CHANCE TO KIND OF FIX THINGS THAT WE'VE OBSERVED OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 
          AND SO WE KIND OF HAVE A MENTAL, ACTUALLY A PHYSICAL LIST WHERE WE KEEP TRACK OF THESE THINGS AND KNOW WHERE WE WANNA FIX THINGS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND REALLY, UM, AND LOOKING AT THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF KIND OF STATE LEGISLATIVE ISSUES THAT HAVE POPPED UP AND THAT KIND OF, THAT POKE AT OUR PROCESS AND KIND OF START TO WHITTLE AWAY AT WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO WITH, IN TERMS OF LOCAL CONTROL. 
          AND THAT'S HAPPENING KIND OF ACROSS THE STATE. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT'S REALLY WORKING FOR US AND WORKING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO PART OF OUR, OUR BROADER GOALS IN THIS UPDATE CYCLE WAS TO PROTECT OUR PROCESS, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FAIR AND DEFENSIBLE. 
          UM, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, OUR CURRENT POLICY IS REFLECTIVE OF COMMUNITY VALUES, THAT WE ARE APPROPRIATELY RESPONDING TO TRENDS AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S MOSTLY GONNA BE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND THOSE PRESSURES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE WAY THAT THINGS LOOK AND THE, THE, THE TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS TO ADDRESS THEM, UM, AND THEN ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IN OUR REVIEWS, UM, . 
          AND SO TO ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, ANTICIPATING QUESTIONS, THIS REALLY ISN'T ABOUT MAKING IT HARDER TO NAVIGATE THE PROCESS. 
          WE REALLY WANT THE PROCESS TO BE EASIER TO NAVIGATE BY MAKING IT MORE PREDICTABLE, UM, AND MORE, UM, CONSISTENT AND ALSO MORE DEFENSIBLE, SO HARDER TO CHALLENGE. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE HAD A VERSION OF MEETING NOTES OR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS OR PROPOSED CONCEPTS ON OUR WEBSITES SINCE FALL OF 2019. 
          UM, SINCE REALLY THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR, WHEN THE PROCESS RESTARTED, WE HAVE HAD PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ON OUR WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC INPUT. 
          WE HAD THREE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS, AS WELL AS ANOTHER MEETING WITH OUR TASK FORCE IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2021. 
          UM, A REMINDER, WE MET WITH YOU ALL IN DECEMBER AS WELL, UM, WITH OUR TRAINING, UH, WE DID A BRIEFING AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, FEBRUARY, 2022 IS WHEN THE AMENDMENTS WERE FORMALLY SUBMITTED FOR THE PROCESS, UM, TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR INCLUSION ON THE D S D WEBSITE. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS SPRING WE BEGIN MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, SO WE CALL, WE REFER TO THAT AS THE PTAC. 
          UH, THE P TAC IS, UH, AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          UM, AND THEY'VE WORKED VERY EXTENSIVELY IN REVIEWING AND RECOMMENDING THE AMENDMENTS. 
          AND REALLY THE WORK THERE IS TECHNICAL IN NATURE. 
          THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS KIND OF WORKABLE AND EFFECTIVE, AND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA END UP WITH A RESULT THAT IS NOT ANTICIPATED WITH WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, THE NEXT STEP IS YOU ALL, AND SO THERE'S THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE ZONING COMMISSION WILL REVIEW ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS. 
          HOW MANY IN TOTAL ARE THERE? UM, THERE'S 200, LEMME GO OVER FIRST. 
          THERE'S, UH, A TOTAL OF 234 U D C AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. 
          UM, BUT THE PTAC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR 193 OF THOSE, AND THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL OF FIVE AND 33 OF THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANTS THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THAT INCLUDES THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY O H P, UM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE WANT THE H C R C TO REVIEW AND APPROVE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS AS WELL THAT 
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WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT CAME FROM, UH, ONE INTERNALLY, UM, FROM OUR, UH, UH, STORM WATER DEPARTMENT DIVISION, AND ANOTHER FROM A, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBER. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE ARE AND ALL OF THOSE AFFECT H C R C RELATED, UH, PROCESSES. 
          AND SO WE'LL ASK FOR RECOMMENDATION ON THOSE. 
          SO I THINK ALL IN ALL, WE HAVE ABOUT THREE DOZEN THAT ARE COMING FROM, FROM O H P FOR YOUR REVIEW. 
          UM, AND SO ON. 
          THE SCHEDULE IS JULY 20TH. 
          UM, WE WILL BE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS AT THAT TIME AND ANY RECOMMENDED REVISIONS THAT COME OUT OF THE, UH, OUT OF OUR DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE DRAFT UPDATES TO THE STORE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, THESE WERE NOT PART OF WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR U D C AMENDMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY U D C AMENDMENTS, BUT WE DO WANT YOUR, UM, RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE WILL BE TAKING 'EM FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION. 
          UM, THOSE WERE DISCUSSED IN DECEMBER. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S THAT KIND OF MULTIFAMILY, UM, SUPPLEMENT TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE OUR DRAFT POLICY GUIDES, WHICH HAVE BEEN ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOU TO ENDORSE THOSE SO THAT WE CAN, UH, BEGIN IMPLEMENTING THOSE, UM, AS KIND OF CUSTOMER OUTWARD FACING DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, SO FROM HERE, I CAN EITHER SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME RECAPPING SOME OF THE BIG PICTURE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN A FEW OF THOSE CATEGORIES, OR WE CAN KIND OF GO DOWN THE LIST. 
          YOU ALL HAVE A PRINTOUT, UM, AS WELL AS ON YOUR SCREENS. 
          YOU HAVE THE DIGITAL VERSION OF THE ACTUAL MATRIX OF, UM, AMENDMENTS. 
          AND I'LL PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN SEE. 
          WHY DON'T WE DO THIS. 
          I'LL DESCRIBE THE FIRST TWO, AND THEN I CAN KIND OF GO INTO THE O H P AMENDMENTS, AND THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, I CAN USE THE SLIDES AS SUPPLEMENT IF NECESSARY. 
          UM, WE ALLOTTED ABOUT AN HOUR TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. 
          WE'RE ALREADY ABOUT 10 MINUTES IN, SO I AM NERVOUS ABOUT TIME. 
          AND, BUT THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS NOW IS THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE OF MEETINGS ON THE SCHEDULE BEFORE JULY 20TH, WHERE WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS IF WE WANNA HAVE MORE WORK SESSIONS TO GET INTO THE DETAILS. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST ONE ON YOUR LIST, UM, IS AMENDMENT 50 DASH FIVE. 
          UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, A CLARIFICATION IN THE CODE, UM, THE SIGN CODE, AND I WILL PULL UP WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE HERE. 
          UM, SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW HOW I, UM, SO EVERY, DURING THE FIVE YEAR CYCLE BETWEEN, UM, BETWEEN THE FIVE YEAR CYCLE, IF THERE'S EVER A CLARIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, UM, IN U D C, THE WAY WE DO THAT IS THROUGH A RID IT'S A RULES INTERPRETATION DEFINITION OR DETERMINATION. 
          UM, AND SO A COUPLE YEARS, MAYBE, YEAH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UM, WE HAD A CLARIFICATION THAT WAS NEEDED IN TERMS OF WHEN THE, UH, PROHIBITIONS FOR DIGITAL SIGNAGE APPLIED. 
          UM, AND THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY WAS FOR PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND GOVERNMENTAL KIND OF INFORMATIONAL SIGNS. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, ONE EXAMPLE IS THAT A LIBRARY WANTED TO HAVE A DIGITAL SIGN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO EASILY DISPLAY PUBLIC INFORMATION, UH, LIKE WHEN THERE'S, UM, UH, LIKE ELECTIONS TAKING PLACE, THAT THIS IS AN ELECTION SITE OR WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT AT THE LIBRARY, HERE'S AN INFORMATION ABOUT THE EVENT. 
          UM, AND SO IT'S EASIER FOR A DIGITAL SIGN TO DISPLAY THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT, UM, IN THE SIGN CODE, SO WHERE THE RULES ABOUT SIGN PERMITS ARE THAT SIGN CODE EXEMPTS, GOVERNMENT SIGNS. 
          AND SO WE REALLY NEEDED TO RECONCILE THESE TWO SECTIONS OF CODE TO ADDRESS WHEN THE PROHIBITION FOR DIGITAL SIGNAGE APPLIES. 
          UM, AND SO WITH THIS AMENDMENT, AND I WILL ZOOM IN, IS CLARIFYING, UM, THAT THERE IS AN EXCEPTION FOR THE DIGITAL SIGNAGE PROHIBITION IF IT'S ASSIGNED BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY OR A GOVERNMENT SIGN. 
          UM, AND WE DEF WE ADD THE DEFINITION FOR GOVERNMENT SIGNED BELOW. 
          SO SIGNS BY GOVERNMENT AGENCY FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING PUBLIC INFORMATION, LEGAL NOTICES, OR BENEFIT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          AND SO AGAIN, THAT ONE HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. 
          THE NEXT ONE, UM, CAME FROM, UH, EXTERNAL, UH, AMENDMENT, UM, FROM TERRY IVANEZ FROM THE, UH, MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND THIS IS A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICTS. 
          I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT TOOL THAT WAS DEVELOPED, UH, TO SUPPLEMENT THE WORLD HERITAGE DESIGNATION EFFORT. 
          UM, SORRY. 
          AND THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE AMENDMENT. 
          WHAT IS PROPOSED IS EXPANDING THE OVERLAY FROM 1500 FEET IN RADIUS TO 2,500 FEET IN RADIUS. 
          UM, WE ARE STILL KIND OF IN THE EXPLORATION PHASE OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS WOULD DO, UM, BUT BASICALLY IT WOULD EX, WELL, WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES IS CHANGE CHANGES THE, UM, PROVISIONING LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE. 
          WHAT IT DOESN'T DO IS REZONED PROPERTIES RIGHT AWAY. 
          AND SO IF THIS WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE A LARGE AREA REZONING 
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CASE TO IMPLEMENT THESE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT STAFF IS EXPLORING. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, KIND OF THE, UH, EFFECT IT WOULD HAVE ON PROPERTIES IN THIS OVERLAY, HOW TALL THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD, UM, WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE. 
          UM, WE ARE PRESENTING THIS TODAY JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES. 
          WHEN WE COME BACK ON JULY 20TH, WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, UM, TO REPRESENT THE ITEM. 
          UM, AND IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU WOULD HAVE ABOUT THIS, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THOSE EITHER FROM STAFF, UM, AS THE RESOURCE OR AS THE APPLICANT, UM, JUST KIND OF SPEAKING TO THEIR INTENT WITH THE APPLICATION. 
          SO, COREY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          IS IT MERELY, UH, A RADIUS DEFINITION OR IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF THIRD DIMENSIONAL, UH, YOU KNOW, VIEW CORRIDOR OR A KIND OF, UH, WELL, YEAH. 
          SO WHAT, SO, SO THE ORDINANCE FOR EACH OVERLAY INCLUDES, UM, DESCRIPTION OF THE ANGLES THAT ARE INVOLVED, LIKE THE VIEWING ANGLES. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS ESSENTIALLY EXTEND THOSE OUT AT THE CURRENT ANGLE, SO, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO, TWO DEGREES FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN. 
          AND SO AT THE OUTERMOST POINTS OF THIS PROPOSED, UH, OVERLAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIX TO SEVEN STORY HEIGHT, UH, LIMITATION. 
          UM, AND AS YOU MOVE INWARD, OBVIOUSLY YOU GO BACK DOWN TO SINGLE STORY. 
          SO, AND WE'VE DONE SOME MAPPING, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT IN MORE DETAIL IF THERE'S QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, GETTING INTO O HP'S AMENDMENTS, UM, IF IT STARTS WITH A 20, UH, THAT MEANS IT WAS SUBMITTED BY US. 
          UM, THIS FIRST ONE IS, UM, REORGANIZATION. 
          SO LET ME ACTUALLY SKIP TO IT. 
          UM, WE'VE TAKEN A FEW SECTIONS OF CODE AND JUST, UM, BACKGROUND WHEN WE GET TO THAT ONE. 
          ONE, MUCH OF THE PROCESS LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO DESIGNATION OF SITES AND REVIEW OF COAS AND DEMOLITION REVIEW, UM, LIVES IN A DIFFERENT ARTICLE, UM, THAN ARTICLE SIX WHERE MOST OF OUR STUFF LIVES, UM, ABOUT THE ACTUAL RULES AND HOW WE REVIEW THINGS. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE PROPOSING IS MOVING PROCESS THINGS IN ARTICLE FOUR TO RULES AREAS IN ARTICLE SIX, SO THAT WE'RE CONSOLIDATING EVERYTHING IN ARTICLE SIX THAT'S RELATED TO HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW. 
          UM, SO PART OF THAT, UM, INCLUDES KIND OF A REORGANIZATION OF, OF A FEW SECTIONS PERTAINING TO THE DISTRICT CREATION PROCESS, THE INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS, THE C O A REVIEW PROCESS TO MAKE THEM CONSISTENT. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE SECTIONS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN KIND OF ORGANIZATION THAT THAT IS SIMILAR TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          UM, SO THAT'S GONNA HOPEFULLY IMPROVE CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY IN, UM, HOW THE INTERPRETATION IS DONE. 
          UM, NOT MUCH IS CHANGING HERE. 
          UM, I MEAN, ONE SECOND TO PULL UP THIS, THIS IS A COLOR CODED VERSION, UM, WHERE WHAT WE DID IS YOU CAN QUICKLY AT A GLANCE SEE LIKE WHERE WE'VE MADE MINOR TEXT AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, SO HERE WE MADE A VERY MINOR CLARIFYING AMENDMENT REFERENCING APPLICATION MATERIALS BEING REQUIRED IN THE CORRECT SUBSECTION OF THE, OF CHAPTER 35. 
          UM, WE ARE ADDING THE HIGHLIGHTED PART HERE TO ALIGN WITH STATE LEGISLATION. 
          UM, WE ARE ADDING THE CLARIFYING LANGUAGE HERE IN GREEN TO REFERENCE THE, THE INTERIM CONTROLS PROCESS, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE, JUST NOT CURRENT, JUST NOT IN THIS SECTION. 
          SO IT'S NOW MOVING TO THE RIGHT SECTION. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES PROPOSED TO, UM, THE DISTRICT PROCESS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE I MOVE ON? OKAY. 
          UM, ITEM TWO IS THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS. 
          SO INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS. 
          CORY? YES. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, IN THE SET, THERE'S THE, UM, DOCUMENT THAT YOU GUYS, UH, SUBMITTED AND THEN THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE, UH, PTAC. 
          UM, WERE THERE ANY CHANGES BETWEEN THE TWO AND IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES, ARE THEY NOTED ANYWHERE? SO I BELIEVE BELIEVE THERE WERE FIVE. 
          HOW MANY? UM, YEAH. 
          UM, SO IN THAT, UM, PACKET, IF YOU GO TO THE BOOKMARKS, THERE IT IS WHERE IT SAYS, RECOMMENDED BY APPROVAL BY PTECH, IT WOULD STATE THERE IF IT WAS APPROVED AS IS OR IF IT WAS APPROVED WITH EDITS. 
          SO FOR THIS SPECIFIC, JUST A COPY, LIKE STAYING THIS, VERIFYING THAT PTECH APPROVED THE VERSION THAT WAS RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IN THIS PACKET, YOU'RE SEEING THE VERSION SUBMITTED AND THE VERSION APPROVED. 
          AND SO THERE'S A FEW, THERE'S FIVE I THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE MM-HMM. 
           AMENDMENTS AND IT MAKES THAT NOTATION. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          YES. 
          MOVING ON TO LANDMARK DESIGNATION, I'M GONNA PULL UP MY LITTLE CHEAT SHEET HERE AGAIN, , 
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HOW DO I MAKE THE SCREEN SHARING GO AWAY? THERE WE GO. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, UM, IF IT'S GREEN THAT WE, IT IS CLARIFICATION LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ADDED, UM, VERY MINOR. 
          UM, AND THEN YELLOW IS A PROCESS CHANGE. 
          AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IN THE, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, UM, TO ALIGN WITH, UM, STATE LEGISLATION. 
          UM, SO THAT REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE AT THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          UM, ACTUALLY THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATION DIRECTED THE CITY TO DESIGNATE, UH, WHICH COMMISSION, WHICH BOARD OF COMMISSION WOULD BE, UH, WOULD HAVE EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY OVER DESIGNATION. 
          AND SO COUNCIL ACTUALLY TOOK ACTION IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR TO DESIGNATE THE H C R C AS THAT COMMISSION. 
          SO WE'RE SAYING IT HERE IN THE CODE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO IF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, THAT THE TAX CODE, THE PROPERTY, UM, CANNOT BE DESIGNATED UNLESS THE ORGANIZATION CONSENTS TO THE DESIGNATION. 
          SO THAT'S A CLARIFICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST GONNA KEEP GOING. 
          PLEASE YELL AT ME IF I NEED TO STOP AT ANY POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON TO THE C O A PROCESS. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS LOOKS LIKE A WHOLE NEW SECTION, LIKE WE WROTE IT FROM SCCR, WROTE IT FROM SCRATCH, BUT REALLY WE'RE RELOCATING A LOT OF LANGUAGE FROM ARTICLE FOUR, LIKE I SAID. 
          AND SO THE ONLY NEW LANGUAGE REALLY IS WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED. 
          UM, SO MAKING REFERENCE TO THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT, UM, REFERRING TO THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. 
          UM, ONE CLARIFICATION THAT WE'VE MADE MADE HERE, AND DO YOU REMEMBER THAT WE GAVE A PRESENTATION ON, UM, KIND OF DISTINGUISHING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL AND FINAL REVIEW, REMOVING KIND OF THOSE THAT REMOVING THAT LANGUAGE FROM THE CODE, INSTEAD FOCUSING ON WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR FINAL APPROVAL WERE. 
          UM, SO WE ARE SAYING HERE THAT APPLICATION THAT THE H C R C HAS DISCRE DISCREPANCY OVER DETERMINATION OF COMPLETENESS AND APPLICATIONS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION TO LACK SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW ONLY. 
          UM, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE ASK FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW, THAT'S KIND OF EXPECTED, UM, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY'S IN SCHEMATIC DESIGN. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE WANNA DO IS EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF, UM, IF YOU ARE COMING FOR FINAL, HAVING MEETING THOSE MINIMUM APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, SO HAVING THE, THE SITE PLAN AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS, ANNOTATED DRAWINGS, MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, ALL THOSE THINGS WE LOOK FOR ARE NOW GOING TO BE BETTER DEFINED IN THE APPENDIX OF, UH, THE CHAPTER. 
          UM, FOR REFERENCE IN THE REFERENCED HERE, VERSUS SAYING 80% WORKING DRAWINGS, WHICH YOU MIGHT REMEMBER FROM THE OLD, FROM THE OLD LANGUAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, G IS IMPORTANT AND YOU WILL ALL REMEMBER WHY, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY IS DENIED AND WHEN THEY CAN COME BACK AND IF IT'S APPEALED AND DENIED, WHEN CAN THEY COME BACK AFTER THAT? AND SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE'VE PROPOSED, UH, PROPOSED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. 
          UM, THE COMMISSION BY A MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERSHIP MAY WAIVE TO THE TIME LIMITATION IF THE APPLICATION REPRESENTS SUBSTANTIAL NEW EVIDENCE THAT WAS NOT CONSIDERED IN THE PREVIOUS ACTION OR INCORPORATES CHANGES BASED ON THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          SO UNTIL A WAIVER IS GRANTED, A NEW APPLICATION SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED COMPLETE AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO REVIEW PERIODS OUTLINED. 
          UM, IN THE CHAPTER, UM, IF A MOTION TO APPROVE FAILS, UH, TO RECEIVE THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF VOTES, THE APPLICATION SHALL BE CONSIDERED DISAPPROVED AND A REVISED APPLICATION MAY BE SUBMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS SECTION. 
          AND SO IT, IT RETAINS, UM, THE ABILITY OF THE H C R C TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO ACCEPT A SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MET THE THRESHOLD FOR SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES OR NEW EVIDENCE IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE HANDLED A CASE THAT KIND OF WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          WE'RE SIMPLY SPELLING IT OUT HERE, UM, AND WE REMOVED THE REFERENCE TO THE B O A BECAUSE IT REALLY, IT'S EITHER IF IT'S DENIED HERE OR AT THE B O A, IT'S GONNA FOLLOW THAT SAME PROCESS FOR REVISIONS. 
          COREY, A QUESTION, IT SAYS MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERSHIP, SO THAT MEANS, UH, SIX, UH, AFFIRMATIVE VOTES CORRECT. 
          REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY ARE PRESENT CORRECT. 
          IN THE MEETING. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT'S HOW CASES WERE HANDLED BEFORE. 
          THE NEXT SECTION IS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL REMEMBER WE HAD A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE PROPOSED HERE WHERE WE ARE, UM, KIND OF ADDING A NEW CATEGORY OF, OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. 
          ONE THING WE DID IS WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH AND WE TWEAKED THE LANGUAGE BASED ON EXPERIENCE AND THE TYPE OF APPLICATIONS FOR ROUTINELY GETTING THE TYPE OF PUSHBACK WE'RE GETTING FROM APPLICANTS A LOT OF TIMES 
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IN TERMS OF MEETING OR SATISFYING THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND JUST RE REITERATING THAT THE EXPECTATION IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IS THAT YOU'RE MEETING ALL APPLICABLE STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO A LOT OF TIMES SOMEBODY WOULD SEE, YOU KNOW, DOOR REPLACEMENT ON THIS LIST, AND SO THEY WOULD ARGUE THAT THEIR DOOR HAS TO BE APPROVED, BUT REALLY IT HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR, IT HAS TO MEET THE GUIDELINES IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR APPROVAL. 
          AND SO THAT'S NOT CHANGING AT ALL. 
          UM, WE'RE SIMPLY ADDING, CLARIFYING, CLARIFYING LANGUAGE SO THAT EXPECTATIONS ARE SET. 
          UM, SO, SO COREY, GO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT ON, I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT. 
          ON REPAIR SIDAL DRIVEWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE MATERIALS IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER ON D I'M LOOKING AT ONE D, THE CHARACTER OF HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE AREA THAT'S PROVIDING THAT, THE OTHER PATTERNS THEY'RE REFERENCING ARE HISTORICALLY CORRECT. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, A LOT OF THAT, A LOT OF THIS LANGUAGE, AND YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE GREEN, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TRYING AS BEST WE CAN TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD OUR PIECE. 
          'CAUSE WHAT'S IN THE CODE, PEOPLE REALLY KIND OF HANG ONTO IT AND RELY ON IT. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS HELPFUL LANGUAGE. 
          UM, SO THE BIG CHANGE, AND I'LL SCROLL DOWN, IS WE'RE ADDING WHAT WE'RE CALLING A STANDARD REVIEW. 
          UM, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AT OUR, AT OUR TRAINING IN DECEMBER, BUT REALLY WE'RE ADDING NEW TYPES THAT ARE LESS MINOR IN NATURE. 
          SO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THE SCOPE OF WHAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, TRADITIONALLY A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES AND ADOPTED POLICY DOCUMENTS, OF COURSE. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IT WOULDN'T BE KIND OF AN IMMEDIATE APPROVAL LIKE THE, WHAT WE THINK OF TODAY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          IT WOULD BE A STANDARD 10 DAY REVIEW. 
          AND SO, UM, IT WOULD, UH, BE HELD, UH, WHILE IT'S BEING REVIEWED FOR COMPLETENESS AND FOR CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES AND WOULD BE ISSUED BY STAFF AFTER A PERIOD OF 10 DAYS. 
          UM, THE REASON THAT WE ALLOW THE 10 DAYS IS SO THAT THERE'S ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC NOTICE, UM, IN THOSE, IN THOSE APPLICATIONS. 
          SO IF THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT'S PROPOSED, THERE'S POTENTIAL, UM, REMEDY THROUGH EITHER JUST, YOU KNOW, DISCOURSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR POTENTIALLY REFERRAL TO H D R C. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD ONLY REFER TO H C R C IF THERE WAS, UM, INCONSISTENCY WITH THE GUIDELINES OR IF THERE WAS SORT OF A GRAY AREA WITH INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER SOMETHING WAS CONSISTENT. 
          UM, WE WOULD ALWAYS REFER TO THE H C R C IF THERE WAS A QUESTION. 
          UM, SO WHAT'S IN THE LIST IS FENCING. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE PROPOSED A UPDATED POLICY GUIDE RELATED TO FENCING SO THAT THERE'S, UH, BETTER CONSISTENCY AND EXPECTATIONS WITH THOSE TYPES OF REQUESTS. 
          UM, PORCH MODIFICATIONS THAT WE SEE PRETTY ROUTINELY. 
          UM, ADDITIONS IS A BIG ONE. 
          UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE CODE ALLOWS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF ANY REAR ADDITION THAT IS 200 SQUARE FEET OR LESS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THAT, UM, TO REALLY ANY RARE ADDITION THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO REMEMBER IT'S GOTTA HAVE A SUBORDINATE ROOF FORM. 
          IT'S GOTTA MEET ALL OF THE, UM, SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE 40% SQUARE FEET OR LESS THAN THE, UM, PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S GOTTA HAVE THE TRANSITION, UH, COMPATIBLE MATERIALS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND THEY DO HAPPEN. 
          IT IS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE REFERRED TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, ANOTHER THING TO REMIND YOU THAT WE, WE HOPE THIS WILL DO IS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CONFORM WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, MANY TIMES IF SOMEBODY IS ANTICIPATING THAT THEY WOULD GO TO H C R C FOR THE REQUEST, UM, THEY MAY NOT, THEY MAY FEEL, UM, LIKE THEY WANTED TO SUBMIT WHAT THEY WANNA SUBMIT AND HAVE THEIR DAY AT THE H H C R C AND ARGUE IT OUT. 
          UM, IF SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE THEY CAN AVOID THE, THE COMMISSION AND, AND JUST MEET THE GUIDELINES AND AND PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THEM, THEN THEY MIGHT BE MORE LIKELY TO DO THAT IF DE CAN AVOID THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND CORY, DURING THAT 10, 10 DAY, UH, PERIOD OF REVIEW, THE ALL THE MATERIALS WILL BE AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR NEIGHBORS AND OTHERS TO YEAH, JUST LIKE THEY ARE NOW. 
          UM, AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE SOMETHING, UM, AND IT'S COMPLETE AND ASSIGNED INTERNALLY, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEW ON THAT EXPLORER MAP. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, ANYBODY CAN ACCESS THAT. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LOGIN OR, OR SPECIAL PERMISSIONS TO DO THAT. 
          AND IT'S ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT STAFF IS ABLE TO VIEW IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC VIEW AS WELL. 
          AND WHAT IS THE MEANS OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AS THINGS ARE POSTED TO THAT UNDETERMINED? UM, WE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA LOOK LIKE SOME SORT OF EMAIL  IS REALLY THE BEST THING WE CAN DO. 
          UM, BUT I WANT TO INSTEAD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO MORE ROUTINELY JUST REFERENCE THE MAP AND, AND WE CAN DO KIND OF A BLANKET KIND OF THING SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WEEK. 
          LIKE WE, WE MIGHT ROUTINELY UPDATE THE MAP LIKE IN CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIMES, OR REMIND PEOPLE TO 
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LOOK AT A MAP AT CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME. 
          UH, IT'S REALLY TRICKY WHEN PEOPLE RELY ON AN INDIVIDUAL EMAIL NOTIFICATION FOR A SPECIFIC ADDRESS OR NEIGHBORHOOD OR STREET. 
          UM, SO WE WANNA JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S FAIR ACCESS TO THOSE NOTIFICATIONS, UM, AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND REALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALL ACCESSIBLE NOW. 
          UH, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UH, KIND OF UNDERSTANDING HOW TO GET TO THE SITE AND HOW TO WORK IT. 
          BUT YEAH, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO, TO VIEW ANYTHING TODAY. 
          UH, UH, THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PART OF THIS IS GONNA BE USER FRIENDLY FOR STAFF AS WELL. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT A CONSTANT, UH, YOU KNOW, REVOLVING DOOR OF PROJECTS COMING IN FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU MANAGE SORT OF A, UM, IN, IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY PUBLIC NOTIFICATION WITHOUT LIKE A CONSTANT STREAM OF EMAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT, IS KIND OF STREAMLINE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO REDUCE SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME THAT'S SPENT CREATING CASES FOR THE H D R C. 
          UM, AND I DIDN'T SHOW THE SLIDE, BUT REALLY THAT THAT WAS A LOT OF WHAT A LOT OF THESE STRATEGIES WERE INTENDED TO DO, UM, BY EXPANDING ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, BY EXPANDING THE COMMISSION, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT, UM, BY REDUCING THE THRESHOLD FOR FINAL APPROVAL, UM, THAT IDEALLY WE'RE AVOIDING THINGS FROM COMING MULTIPLE TIMES OR COMING THAT DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO COME, UM, IF THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE CASELOAD HERE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          UH, THAT'S MY CONCERN ALSO, SCOTT, UM, IS FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH IT. 
          THE EXPLORER MAP IS A GOOD OUTLET FOR ONE OF THE OUTLETS OR, UM, NOTIFICATION TOOLS. 
          UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE ABLE TO STREAMLINE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE LOAD, THAT THAT BALANCE OF TIME AND PERHAPS EVEN ADDITIONAL TIME COULD BE PUT TOWARDS ENFORCEMENT AND FOLLOW, FOLLOW THROUGH? BECAUSE AS IT IS NOW, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY, UM, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE. 
          I MEAN, IDEALLY ON PAPER IT LOOKS GREAT AND, AND IT WORKS IN A, UM, COULDN'T CAN WORK IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY, BUT IF THERE'S NO FOLLOW UP, IT JUST MAKES EVERYBODY RUN AROUND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIX THINGS. 
          OR IS THERE A DISCUSSION TO, UM, INCREASE THE LOAD TOWARDS ENFORCEMENT AS A WAY TO BALANCE OUT THE FRONT END OF THESE REVIEWS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, MORE STAFF TIME IS MORE STAFF TIME. 
          UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD SPELL OUT IN A U D C AMENDMENT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT'S INTENDED IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE MORE TIME AVAILABLE FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE PROGRAM TO RUN SUCCESSFULLY. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND BEING PRO TAKING PROACTIVE MEASURES A LOT OF TIMES, UM, THAT CAN ALL BE TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE PROGRAM IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THOSE. 
          UM, WE ARE ADDING LANGUAGE ABOUT FENESTRATION MODIFICATION WITHIN REASON OF COURSE, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LOT OF LANGUAGE THERE FOR THAT, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, SO THINGS LIKE CARPORTS, DETACHED CARPORTS SPECIFICALLY, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE REAR YARD, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, AS WELL AS APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN, UM, IN ORDER TO INFORM THE REZONING PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF IN DETAIL AT THE TRAINING LEVEL. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TIME TO GET INTO THAT TODAY, BUT I THINK THAT THERE WAS KIND OF A GOOD COMFORT LEVEL WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN ADDING TELECOMMUNICATIONS. 
          AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE DO NOW. 
          UM, SO WE ARE NOW, UH, SPELLING OUT WHERE THIS IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND HOW AND BY WHAT MEASURES. 
          UM, AND THEN MISCELLANEOUS, SO POTENTIALLY FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND, UM, I'LL EXPLAIN THAT WHEN WE TALK LATER ABOUT THAT AMENDMENT. 
          UM, DEMOLITION OR PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF A NON CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST LANGUAGE ENABLING THE H C R C TO, UM, DESIGNATE ADDITIONAL ITEMS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WITH ACTION BY THE H C R C. 
          MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ONE, UM, WE HAVE WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CALLED DEMOLITION OF LANDMARK 35 6 1 4. 
          UM, WE'RE CHANGING IT TO DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK OR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY, UM, AND THEN, UM, ADDING THAT CLARIFYING LANGUAGE IN A FEW OTHER PLACES. 
          AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. 
          SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THIS SECTION, TO THIS SECTION OTHER THAN REORGANIZING IT. 
          UM, THERE'S A DIFFERENT VERSION IN YOUR PACKET AND THAT WAS DONE FOR CLARITY. 
          SO LET ME SCROLL TO THAT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO YOU SEE MORE KIND OF RED LINING INTEGRATED INTO THE BODY OF THE SECTION. 
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SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE FORMAT THAT WAS APPROVED. 
          THE, THE CONTENT IS NOT DIFFERENT, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE'S OUR OTHER BIG ONE IS THE H D R C. 
          LET ME PULL UP THIS ONE AGAIN. 
          SO A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA BE CLARIFYING. 
          UM, WE INTEGRATED A FEW RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT, UM, UH, PREVIOUSLY LIVED OUTSIDE OF THE U D C. 
          UM, BUT THE MAIN THING THAT WE'VE DONE, AND LEMME SCROLL DOWN TO IT, IS CREATION OF THE, UH, COMPLIANCE AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY BOARD. 
          UM, SO THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER 11 MEMBER BOARD, UM, OF ALTERNATES, UM, THAT WOULD ALSO CONVENE ONCE A MONTH TO TAKE ACTION ON SPECIFIC, UH, REQUEST TYPES. 
          UH, THOSE ARE NOT SPELLED OUT HERE NECESSARILY, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE WOULD BE, AND THEY WOULD MOSTLY BE, UM, THINGS THAT WERE TECHNICAL IN NATURE. 
          SO A A LITERAL QUESTION ABOUT IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL? CAN THIS WINDOW BE REPAIRED? UM, THINGS THAT, UM, OFTEN REQUIRE KIND OF A TECHNICAL LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AND, AND ALSO TEND TO HAVE PRETTY ROUTINE OUTCOMES. 
          SO WE THINK THAT, UM, THOSE WOULD BE PRETTY ROUTINE IN NATURE ON THAT AGENDA, UM, AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY, UM, ANYTIME IT WAS A VIOLATION CASE. 
          AND SO WORK WITHOUT APPROVAL OR WORK BEYOND SCOPE, UM, THIS WOULD SORT OF BE THE, UH, THE BOARD THAT RECONCILES THOSE ISSUES. 
          UM, THE MEMBERSHIP AND, AND VOTING REQUIREMENTS AND ALL OF THAT WOULD BE THE SAME. 
          UM, THE ADDED BENEFIT IS THAT THESE MEMBERS WOULD SERVE AS ALTERNATES TO THIS BOARD. 
          AND SO, UM, IF YOU WERE ABSENT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A QUORUM REQUIREMENT, UM, WHEN WE NEEDED A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OR, UH, UM, OR IF WE HAD FEWER THAN SIX TO MEET. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, THEY WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO SERVE ON SUBCOMMITTEES AS WELL. 
          AND SO WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE MORE EYES AND AND BODIES AT SITE VISITS, UM, AS NEEDED FOR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS. 
          THE D R C AND THE DESIGNATION AND DEMOLITION SUBCOMMITTEE, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BOARD. 
          UM, AS YOU WERE, UH, DRAFTING THIS AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER, DID Y'ALL, UH, FLOAT THIS IDEA BY THE VARIOUS CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS TO SEE IF THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT, NUMBER ONE, NUMBER TWO, IF THEY FELT THAT THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO FILL OR CAPACITY TO FILL THESE OTHER POSITIONS? YEP. 
          UM, SO JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE ON ALL OF THESE KIND OF BIG TICKET ITEMS LIKE THE DESIGNATION PROCESS, THE C O A PROCESS, THE H C R C, LIKE THESE BIGGER MOVES, EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN BRIEFED, I THINK AT LEAST TWICE AT THIS POINT, SOME MORE . 
          UM, AND, AND YES, LIKE I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WE HEAR FROM SOME, BUT THEN OTHERS ARE LIKE, OH YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT I THINK WOULD BE THE RIGHT FIT FOR THIS. 
          LIKE KIND OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS LEVEL THAT THAT, THAT I THINK THEY COULD DO. 
          UM, SO COME JANUARY ONE, IF THIS IS APPROVED, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE IN PLACE AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO START MEETING, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T START MEETING AND FILLING THAT AGENDA UNTIL WE HAVE, UM, ENOUGH APPOINTMENTS TO DO SO. 
          YEAH, THIS HAS CHANGES TO, UM, THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN ARTICLE FOUR AS IT RELATES TO H T R C ITEMS. UM, SOME OF THIS IS JUST CLARIFICATION, OTHER THINGS ARE ALIGNING US WITH THE STATE LEGISLATION FOR REQUIRED NOTICE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THIS IS ALIGNING WITH SOME OF THE MOVES WE'RE MAKING RELATED TO, UM, DESIGNATION OF A LANDMARK AND THE DISTINCTION THAT WE'RE MAKING BETWEEN THE DESIGNATION PROCESS AND THE DETERMINATION OF ELIGIBILITY THAT HAPPENS HERE SOMETIMES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE. 
          AND WHAT THESE NUMBERS TELL YOU IS DO WE SEND A LETTER AND IF WE DO, DO, WHO DO WE SEND IT TO AND DO WE POST A SIGN AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE CONTENT OF THAT, THAT PUBLIC YARD SIGN THAT GETS POSTED. 
          UM, SO THE CASE NUMBER, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL CALL, I MEAN, YOU'LL HEAR VOICEMAILS TODAY. 
          THEY'RE SAYING, I'M CALLING FOR HT R C CASE NUMBER, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, AND, AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE CASE NUMBERS EITHER, SO WE WANT PEOPLE TO REFERENCE THE ACTUAL ADDRESS FOR THE PROPERTY THAT'S IMPACTED, UM, AS WELL AS THE DESCRIPTION OF THE REQUEST. 
          SO THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO CALL AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION NOW, BUT WE'RE MAKING THIS THE OFFICIAL REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE. 
          UM, AND THEN THIS LANGUAGE HERE IS REQUIRED, UH, BY STATE LAW, UM, SO NO LATER THAN THE 15TH DAY BEFORE THE DATE OF THE INITIAL HEARING ON DESIGNATION, WE PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, SO THEY GET A LETTER NOW, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE NOTIFICATION THAT WE CONSIDER, UM, THE START OF INTERIM CONTROL, SO THE OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION FROM THE CITY OF ELIGIBILITY, UM, BUT WE 
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ALSO INCLUDE THIS INFORMATION THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE IN THAT NOTIFICATION QUESTION. 
          SO THE NOTIFICATION FOR ANY KIND OF ADMIN C O A IS NOT PART OF THE U D UDC, SO IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM YOU ARE, UH, PURSUING THAT OR LOOKING INTO THAT MAY PROVIDE THAT AS A POLICY. 
          YEAH, I THINK, AND I, SORRY, I STUMBLED ALL MY WORDS EARLIER. 
          I THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS ONCE A WEEK WE WOULD SAY, HERE'S THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE'LL BE APPROVED AT THE END OF THE WEEK THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE STANDARD REVIEW APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IT'S GONNA BE. 
          I THINK IT COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 A WEEK POTENTIALLY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY HOW WE WOULD HANDLE IT. 
          AND SO WHAT WOULD BE IN THAT NOTIFICATION IS A LINK TO THE EXPLORER MAP WHERE PEOPLE COULD VIEW THOSE FILES. 
          AND DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT ONCE THAT NOTIFICATION GOES OUT, THAT IT'S SIMULTANEOUSLY, THOSE DOCUMENTS APPEAR ON THE EXPLORER MAP? THEY'RE ON THE MAP BEFORE THE NOTIFICATION GOES OUT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          OH, YEAH, THE NOTIFICATION WOULD POTENTIALLY INCLUDE A LINK TO THE THING THAT'S ALREADY LIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AMENDMENT 20 DASH EIGHT IS VERY MINOR. 
          UM, THIS IS JUST REFERRING TO, YOU KNOW, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STRIKING ALL THE LANGUAGE IN ARTICLE FOUR AND MOVING INTO ARTICLE SIX. 
          SO THIS IS LEAVING A REFERENCE DIRECTING THE READER TO ARTICLE SIX. 
          THAT'S ALL THIS ONE IS 20 DASH NINE NOW INCLUDES THE, THE WORD PROCEDURES AND ARTICLE SIX TO NOTE THAT PROCEDURES HAS MOVED TO ARTICLE SIX. 
          YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE WEEDS HERE. 
          UM, THIS IS DELETING REFERENCES, OUTDATED REFERENCES TO CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT AREN'T CALLED THAT ANYMORE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST MORE GENERALLY SAYING RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS, UM, ADDING, UH, THIS LANGUAGE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN ARTICLE FOUR. 
          SO WHEN WE USE THE WORD COMMISSION, WE'RE REFERRING TO THE H C R C WHEN IT'S IN ARTICLE SIX. 
          AGAIN, JUST KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          20 DASH, UH, 13. 
          UM, THIS IS THE DESIGNATION CRITERIA. 
          SO THE 13 CRITERIA THAT A PROPERTY MUST MEET, UH, AT LEAST THREE OF, TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION, UM, MINOR AMENDMENTS HERE PER DIRECTION FROM THE, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS LANGUAGE. 
          REALLY, WE SHOULDN'T BE EVALUATING BASED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, WE SHOULD BE EVALUATING BASED ON OUR OWN ADOPTED CRITERIA, WHICH WE DO DO. 
          UM, SO WE'RE JUST REMOVING THAT REFERENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'RE CLARIFYING THAT IF IT'S BEEN DETERMINED, ELIGIBLE AS A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK OR ONE OF THESE OTHER, UH, DESIGNATION TYPES, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL. 
          NOW WHAT, UM, WHAT GOT YOU TO THAT 25 YEAR DESIGNATION ON THAT ONE ON NUMBER? UH, I THINK IT WAS NUMBER ONE OR TWO. 
          OH, I, I THINK IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND REALLY IT'S, IT'S, SO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF TIMES YOU THINK ABOUT THE BUILDING BEING THE RESOURCES BECAUSE IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT REALLY WHAT'S INTENDED IS THAT PROPERTIES THAT HAVE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OR EVEN LIKE A MORE RECENT, UH, SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE OF AN EVENT OR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THERE ARE ELIGIBLE. 
          WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO WAIT, I MEAN, THE THING IS WITH 13 CRITERIA, IT'S, IT'S , IT'S, IT'S EASY TO GET TO. 
          I MEAN, IT'S EASY TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT THAT SOMETHING'S, UH, ELIGIBLE, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED CRITERIA. 
          AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SAY THAT ONE REALLY IMPORTANT CRITERIA IS ENOUGH WHEN THERE'S 13 TO CHOOSE FROM. 
          RIGHT? OR MAYBE WE, WELL, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT. 
          I CAN SEE THE CONCERN WITH THE 25 AND EVEN USING OUR REGULAR 16. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW, WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I COULD SEE WITH THE RIGHT KIND OF WRITER, UH, RIGHT, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ADVOCACY, THERE WOULD BE THINGS 25 YEARS, 26 YEARS THAT COULD BE DESIGNATED THAT WOULD HORRIFY SOME, OR IT'S A STRONG LANGUAGE, UM, THAT WOULD SURPRISE AND SHOCK, LET'S SAY, OR THAT MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND OF COURSE IT 
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COMES BEFORE YOU GUYS, IT COMES BEFORE US. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          I MEAN, YES, LIKE SOMEBODY COULD VERY SUBJECTIVELY MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT SOMETHING IS ELIGIBLE OR NOT ELIGIBLE BASED ON THE CRITERIA, BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS AND THAT'S WHY IT COMES HERE FOR RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, I HAVE TO HOLD THE BUTTON ULTIMATELY GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, A ZONING CHANGE IS RESERVED EXCLUSIVELY FOR OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND DESIGNATION IS A ZONING CHANGE. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE ARE GONNA BE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO IN, TO INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES, AND WE WANT THE PROCESS TO BE OPEN TO, TO PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONVINCE THEIR CITY COUNCIL PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NEXT AMENDMENT IS, UH, RELATED TO REVIEW OF A DEMOLITION PERMIT. 
          SO THIS IS NOT DEMOLITION OF LANDMARK. 
          THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET A REGULAR PERMIT THAT WE REVIEW, UM, AND WE DO OUR ELIGIBILITY, EXCUSE ME, ELIGIBILITY ASSESSMENT, UM, AND POTENTIALLY REFERRAL TO THE H C R C FOR, FOR RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO THAT IS OUTLINED HERE. 
          AND ALL OF THIS LANGUAGE IS BEING RELOCATED FROM ARTICLE FOUR. 
          I THOUGHT WE HAD TWEAKED IT SOME, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE DID. 
          UM, THIS IS OUR DEFINITIONS. 
          AND SO APPENDIX A OF THE U D C IS ALL OF THE DEFINITIONS ARE INCLUDED AND DEFINITIONS ARE, ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS. 
          AND SO WE DID A SWEEP OF EVERYTHING THAT WE THOUGHT APPLIED TO OUR PROCESS AND DID A LOT OF CLEANUP REALLY. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY MULTIPLE REFERENCES TO CONTRIBUTING, UM, AND WE CLEANED THIS UP BY SAYING CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE AND COMBINING SOME LANGUAGE, UM, AND REALLY REFERRING TO AN EXISTING PROCESS THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO, UM, SECTION, UH, 35 6 1 9 IS THE PROCESS FOR DECISION AND BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER FOR CONTRIBUTING STATUS DETERMINATION AND POTENTIAL REFERRAL TO THE H C R C FOR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A PROCESS THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY AMENDMENTS TO. 
          UM, IT'S EXISTED AND IT'S BEEN USED. 
          AND SO THE PROPOSED DEFINITION IS GOING TO REFER TO THAT PROCESS VERSUS NOW SAYING IN THIS SEPARATE DEFINITION SECTION, UM, WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE CONTRIBUTING OR NOT, BECAUSE THERE IS AN ESTABLISHED PROCESS, UM, CLARIFYING THAT ELIGIBLE RESOURCE, UM, HAS, COULD BE DETERMINED BY THE SORT PRESERVATION OFFICER OR THE H C R C, UM, REMOVING REFERENCES TO ACTUALLY CLARIFYING THESE REFERENCES TO EXCEPTIONAL AND SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC LANDMARK. 
          UM, WE DON'T USE THOSE TERMS ANYMORE. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY, WE FIXED, FIXED THIS IN THE P TTAC VERSION, SO THIS WAS A TYPO. 
          SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN THERE'S AN AMENDMENT, AN AMENDED VERSION THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE P T A, THEY CORRECTED THAT FOR US. 
          UM, BUT INSTEAD REFERRING TO DESIGNATED RESOURCE, WHICH IS A NEW DEFINITION, UM, WHICH MEANS ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED HISTORIC BY THE CITY, UM, AND IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER. 
          AND SO HISTORIC DISTRICT, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DEFINE THAT, WE'RE SAYING THAT'S A DESIGNATED RESOURCE. 
          AND THEN, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARK, HISTORIC STRUCTURE, WE'RE SAYING THOSE ARE DE DESIGNATED RESOURCES, UM, NOT CONTRIBUTING, AGAIN, REFERRING TO THAT SAME SECTION, 35 6 1 9, REMOVING THINGS THAT WE DON'T USE ANYMORE. 
          SO NOT RATED RESOURCE, NOT SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE RATED RESOURCE. 
          THESE WERE ALL KIND OF PART OF THE, THE INITIAL INVENTORY THAT WAS DONE, UM, TO, TO PASS THE FIRST KIND OF ORDINANCE FOR LANDMARKS IN THE, IN THE CITY. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE NOT USED ANYMORE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, SIGNIFICANT IS A TERM NOT USED ANYMORE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THIS IS JUST A CAPITALIZATION ISSUE. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING TO 2016. 
          UM, SO THIS IS SHORT PRESERVATION MATERIALS. 
          LET ME MOVE TO THIS VERSION 'CAUSE THIS WILL SHOW YOU THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UM, SO THIS IS WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR EACH REQUEST TYPE. 
          AND SO AS YOU KNOW, A C O A CAN BE ONE OF MANY THINGS. 
          IT CAN BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT CAN BE AN ADDITION, IT CAN BE AN ALTERATION, IT CAN BE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, IT COULD BE FOUNDATION REPAIR. 
          THEY'RE ALL COAS. 
          AND SO WITH ALL OF THOSE, WE HAVE KIND OF THE MINIMUM APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE THESE THINGS HERE. 
          WE NEED PHOTOS, WE NEED A DESCRIPTION OF YOUR WORK, WE NEED THE APPLICATION TO BE COMPLETED SO THAT WE CAN, UH, DO WHAT IS NEEDED TO CONDUCT THE REVIEW AND, AND TAKE ACTION. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE SAID FOR EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL REQUEST TYPES, SO IF YOU'RE DOING AN ADDITION, HERE'S WHAT WE SPECIFICALLY NEED TO CONSIDER YOUR REQUEST COMPLETE. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED. 
          UM, ONE THING 
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THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, UM, IS MAKING SURE THAT, UM, IF YOU'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT SUBMITTED THE INFILL DESIGN APPLICATION, SUPPLEMENT WORKSHEETS PROVIDED BY STAFF. 
          AND SO THAT IS KIND OF A, THOSE ARE MATERIALS THAT WE WILL ASK YOU ALL TO ADOPT AS PART OF THE, UM, CHANGES TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA LIVE IN THE U D C, BUT IT IS REFERENCED HERE AS A REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIAL. 
          UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THESE THINGS WERE KIND OF EXISTING. 
          WE'RE JUST CLEANING IT UP, WE'RE MAKING THE LANGUAGE CONSISTENT. 
          UM, WE'RE PUTTING THINGS IN THE SIMILAR ORDER. 
          UM, AND THEN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, EXCUSE ME, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, SORRY, I'M STILL GOING. 
          WE'RE ADDING THINGS THAT WE HADN'T HAD BEFORE. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR NEWER HISTORIC ASSESSMENT, UH, APPLICATION THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED FOR DETERMINATION OF CONTRIBUTING STATUS OR ELIGIBILITY DETERMINATION. 
          AND SO THERE ARE SOME MINIMAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITH THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS AND REQUESTS FOR REVIEWS OF SOURCE SIGNIFICANCE. 
          SO AGAIN, THROUGH THE REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS, WE'RE KIND OF DIS DISTINGUISHING THOSE TWO PROCESSES. 
          UM, SO ONE BEING THE ACTUAL, UH, REQUEST FOR DESIGNATION THAT CAN BE DONE BY A PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, OR IT CAN BE THE REQUEST FOR A FINDING OF A SOURCE CERTIFICATES THAT BE, CAN BE SUBMITTED BY ANYONE. 
          UM, AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT THAT, UM, CAME OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE, THE MAIN ONE IS THAT THERE'S A COMPLETED APPLICATION OR COMPLETED PETITION INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION THAT INCLUDES THE PRINTED NAMES, ADDRESSES, AND SIGNATURES OF 15 INDIVIDUALS RESIDING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THE REQUEST FOR, FOR A HEARING ON THE ELIGIBILITY OF A PROPERTY. 
          NOW, AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T DESIGNATE THE, OR INITIATE THE DESIGNATION PROCESS. 
          THAT'S JUST THE INITIAL HEARING ON THE ELIGIBILITY. 
          AND FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR FOR CITY STAFF TO INITIATE THAT HEARING, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS PETITION TO BE INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE TIME. 
          UM, AND AT THE VERY END OF 2018, UH, WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION DIRECTING STAFF TO EXPLORE A NEW ZONING OVERLAY FOR THE WOODLAWN LAKE, WOODLAWN LAKE AREA, UH, THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY PRESERVE EXISTING OUTWARD VIEWS FROM THE PARK, UM, AND KIND OF THE SCENIC AND NATURAL QUALITIES OF THE PARK. 
          UM, AND WHAT IS PROPOSED IS POTENTIALLY A NEW RIO DISTRICT FOR RELATED TO WOODLAWN LAKE. 
          UM, SO THIS, AGAIN, LIKE THE MISSION PROTECTION OVERLAY AMENDMENT. 
          THIS DOESN'T REZONE ANYTHING. 
          THIS DOESN'T START THAT PROCESS, BUT THIS IS JUST SORT OF THE ENABLING LANGUAGE SO THAT, UM, THERE'S AN OPTION TO CREATE A A RIO EIGHT FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND THERE'S SOME DESCRIPTIVE LANGUAGE ABOUT, ABOUT THE KIND OF PURPOSE OF WHAT THAT WOULD WOULD DO. 
          SO AGAIN, THAT ONE'S KIND OF DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, THIS IS RELOCATING, UH, AGAIN, LANGUAGE RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE. 
          UM, AND, UH, C O A BEING, UH, UH, REQUIRED. 
          MOVING AGAIN FROM ARTICLE FOUR TO ARTICLE SIX, I THINK WE DID TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, UM, TO SIMPLY SAY THAT IF THERE'S EVER A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDE AND WHAT'S WRITTEN AND 6 0 8 AND 6 0 8 IS THE C O A PROCESS, THEN THE C O A PROCESS SHALL RULE. 
          UM, OH, THIS ONE WAS SUBMITTED BY PUBLIC WORKS, SO THE STORMWATER, UH, DIVISION, UM, AND THIS IS REVIEWS THAT ARE BUILT INTO RIO THAT ARE NOT REALLY REVIEWED BY H D R C. 
          AND SO THEY'RE REVIEWING PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE CREEK OR RIVER FOR, UM, LOW IMPACT DESIGN OR LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND SO THEY'RE JUST CLEANING UP SOME LANGUAGE HERE. 
          UM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A MAP THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED THAT SHOWS WHICH PROPERTIES THIS APPLIES TO. 
          UM, SO THERE'S JUST MORE STRINGENT, UM, CONSIDERATIONS FOR RUNOFF, UM, AND STORM WATER RETENTION FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE RIVER OR OR CREEK. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL OF THEM. 
          COREY, GOING BACK TO THE, UM, MM-HMM. 
          , THE PROPOSED RIO OVERLAY FOR WOODLAWN LAKE. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, UM, IS IT SPECIFIC TO WOODLAWN LAKE OR COULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT COULD GET EXTENDED TO OTHER WATERWAYS AS A, AS A DESIGNATION AS, SO YEAH, THE CURRENT, 
          [00:50:01]
THE CURRENT SECTION IS THE, UH, PROVISIONING LANGUAGE FOR RIO DISTRICTS. 
          AND SO IT CURRENTLY REFERENCES THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, SAN PEDRO CREEK. 
          AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THE REFERENCE TO WOODLAND LAKE AREA. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WE LANDED ON RIO AS BEING A POTENTIAL TOOL FOR WOODLAND LAKE IS BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED THAT COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN, IN, IN, UH, GUIDING WERE BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A CURRENT TOOL FOR IN RIO. 
          AND THERE'S THE CONNECTION TO WATER AND KIND OF LIKE MAINTAINING THE SCENIC AND OPEN SPACE QUALITIES. 
          UM, SO IT MAKES SENSE AND, BUT YEAH, POTENTIALLY, UM, THERE'S ALSO A SEPARATE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY THE RIVER AUTHORITY THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A RIO, BUT IT'S LESS OF A DESIGN DISTRICT. 
          IT'S MORE INTENDED TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS LIKE THE STORMWATER ISSUE FOR THE WEST SIDE CREEKS PROJECTS. 
          AND SO THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING NOW. 
          UM, THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE APPLICATION OF SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THOSE PROJECTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND I, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK A WHOLE LOT TO IT. 
          UM, AGAIN, THAT CAME FROM THE RIVER AUTHORITY. 
          UM, A VERSION OF IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE PTAC. 
          UM, BUT, AND, AND THOSE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN, UM, THE CITY AND THE RIVER AUTHORITY ON HOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE PROPERTIES WILL BE MAINTAINED AND ENFORCED MOVING FORWARD AS THE, THE PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED IS ONGOING. 
          BUT YEAH, THAT'S NOT COMING HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING, WE'RE NOT PRO PROSING A C O A PROCESS BEING BUILT INTO IT. 
          IT'S STRICTLY KIND OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          ALSO, JUST GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE, THE SORT OF THE SECOND COMMISSION, HOW DO YOU ALL SEE, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FOR U D C, BUT JUST SORT OF US AS COMMISSIONERS ENGAGING WITH, WITH UH, O H P STAFF, HOW IS THERE GOING TO BE ENOUGH BRIDGING BETWEEN THE STAFF THAT IS INVOLVED IN, IN BOTH COMMISSION INTERACTIONS? SO THERE IS THAT KIND OF CONTINUITY OF APPROACH AND, AND, UH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PROBABLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE NOT SAT DOWN AND MADE ASSIGNMENTS YET, BUT I'M REALLY THINKING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER. 
          SO THERE MIGHT BE DESIGNATED STAFF THAT WORKS EXCLUSIVELY WITH THE ONE COMMISSION AND NOT THE OTHER, UM, WITH SOME CONTINUITY AND PROBABLY BEING MYSELF AND EDWARD BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I WOULD'VE SAID EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE, THAT WE, THAT STAFF WOULD STILL HANDLE THEIR CASES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHETHER WHICHEVER COMMISSION THEY WENT TO. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DISCUSS HOW THAT WILL PLAY OUT. 
          . 
          WELL, I CAN SEE ADVANTAGES BOTH WAYS. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          UH, KNOWING YOUR TERRITORY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE LEADERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND THAT KIND OF THING WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT CONTINUITY. 
          YEAH. 
          A STAFF PERSON. 
          I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY WE DID THE KIND OF ASSIGNMENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY'RE USED TO BEING CASE MANAGERS IN. 
          I DO THINK THAT CORY'S RIGHT IN LIKE THE ADMIN SIDE OF IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE TEAM IS PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO PUT OUT SIGNS FOR THE H FOR THE, FOR THIS COMMISSION MEETING VERSUS THE OTHER ONE. 
          AND THINGS LIKE, SOME THINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE DIVIDED. 
          WELL, WE'RE RIGHT ON TIME. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE THESE MATERIALS AND YOU HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THEM AND ASK QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ACTUALLY WHAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR IS LOOKING AT THE SORT SIGN GUIDELINES AND POLICY GUIDES, UM, WHICH WE, WHICH HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE WE BRIEFED YOU ALL. 
          UM, SO I, WE CAN SPEND TIME AT ANOTHER WORK SESSION KIND OF GOING OVER THOSE. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE NEWER COMMISSIONERS SINCE THEN, UM, TO KIND OF BRIEF YOU ALL ON WHAT'S PROPOSED, UM, THAT ADOPTION OF THOSE ISN'T REALLY MARRIED TO THE U D C TIMELINE, BUT IT MAKES SENSE THAT AS THINGS GO TO COUNCIL THAT ARE KIND OF ABOUT THIS PROCESS, THAT WE JUST DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE DESIRING TO KEEP A SIMILAR KIND OF ADOPTION SCHEDULE GOING. 
          SO COREY, AS WE REVIEW THESE, DO YOU WANT, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU WANT INPUT FROM, DO YOU WANT INPUT FROM US? DO YOU WANT IT TO, YOU WANT EMAIL? YOU WANT US TO EDIT THE DRAFT? HOW, HOW DO YOU, UM, YES, , I MEAN, IF, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING LATER, I THINK EMAIL'S PROBABLY THE BEST ROUTE. 
          OR IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WE ALL NEED TO DISCUSS TOGETHER, WE CAN DO ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND DISCUSS THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, WE WILL BE TAKING EVERYBODY'S NOTES. 
          UM, AND I THINK IF WE GOT FEEDBACK TO MAKE A SPECIFIC CHANGE, WE WOULD PROBABLY BRING IT BACK HERE JUST SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT THAT SPECIFIC CHANGE WAS, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT WAS, IF IT NEEDED TO DISCUSS OR NOT. 
          LIKE WE MIGHT DO A WORK SESSION OR WE MIGHT JUST SAY, HEY, WE GOT THIS FEEDBACK AND WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON IT ON JULY 20TH WHEN IT COMES FOR ADOPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL I THINK WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN FOR THE ACTUAL HEARING, AND SO LET'S JUST HANG OUT FOR A FEW MORE MINUTES AND 
          [00:55:01]
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE'VE GOT OUR ONLINE ATTENDEES AND WE'RE READY TO GO FOR 3:00 PM UM, JEFF, WE'LL NEED YOU TO CALL US BACK TO ORDER AT THREE AND WE'LL DO ROLL CALL. 
          AT THAT TIME, 
          [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO HOER. 
          CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 1ST, 2022. 
          MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          IS ABSENT SINO HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          MORALES HERE. 
          HERE. 
          MASUKA CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          GROUP IS ABSENT. 
          CERVANTES HERE. 
          ZER HERE. 
          UH, LA IS ABSENT. 
          AND GIBBS HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THERE ARE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING FOR SPANISH SPEAKERS. 
          WHEN I STARTED SERVICES I, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND I'M ECHOING, JUST PUSH THROUGH IT AND THEY'LL ADJUST THE VOLUME. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE PROVIDED WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. 
          WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. 
          THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS. 
          ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. 
          THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, FIRST IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          UH, WE WANNA WELCOME DR. 
          JEAN MORALES AS OUR NEW COMMISSIONER REPRESENTING DISTRICT FOUR. 
          HE'S WITH US VIRTUALLY TODAY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN SEE HIM, BUT HE CAN SEE YOU, SO MAKE SURE YOU WAVE TO HIM. 
          ACTUALLY, EDWARD, IF YOU DRAG THE, THE LITTLE BOXES OVER TO THE SHARE SCREEN, WELL, WE GOTTA FIND IT, SO I'LL KEEP GOING. 
          UM, THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE, UH, FOR ACTION TODAY IS A AMENDMENT TO THE HEARING SCHEDULE. 
          UM, EDWARD'S GOT THAT ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. 
          UM, SO UNDER THE SCHEDULE, WE WOULD MEET IN THE FIFTH WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH OF JUNE, WHICH IS JUNE 29TH. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD NOT MEET THE FOLLOWING WEEK ON JULY 6TH. 
          SO WE DO NEED A MOTION IN ACTION ON THIS ONE, 
          [01:00:01]
MR. CHAIR. 
          I MOVE THAT, UH, THE STAFF'S, UH, CHANGES TO OUR SCHEDULE BE APPLIED, UH, FOR THE NEXT 30 DAYS. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION AND, AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          SAV AYE. 
          MORALE? AYE. 
          MAZUA CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FED. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          [Approval of Minutes]
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM WHENEVER OUR LAST MEETING WAS. 
          THAT IS, SORRY, . 
          MAY, MAY 18TH, 22. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR MAY 18TH AS SUBMITTED. 
          I SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SENO? AYE. 
          MORALES? AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND PATZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE CASE LIST FOR TODAY ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE ABOUT NINE ITEMS ON CONSENT. 
          UM, NO CHANGES TO ITEMS ON INDIVIDUAL TODAY. 
          UM, I WILL NOTE A RECUSAL FOR ITEM FIVE FROM COMMISSIONER FETZER. 
          UM, WE HAVE VOICEMAILS FOR A FEW ITEMS, SO WE'LL PLAY THOSE NOW. 
          UM, NO IN-PERSON SPEAKERS THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          THIS IS LISA LIND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 2, 1 CITY STREET. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 2 9 5. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          WE RECOMMEND THAT THE COLUMN BASIS BE CHANGED TO WOOD AS THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR STONE OR BRICK MATERIALS AT THIS PROPERTY, ALTHOUGH NOT INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST THE RENDERING SHOW A NEW HORIZONTAL BOARD PRIVACY FENCE PRIVACY, WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          WE RECOMMEND THAT A SEPARATE APPLICATION BE SUBMITTED TO THE H D R C FOR ANY PROPOSED FENCING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR 7 32 NORTH PINE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF D WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 89 LOCATED AT 7 32 NORTH PINE. 
          WE AGREE WITH O H P'S STIPULATIONS, BUT WOULD EMPHASIZE THAT THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT A FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT SHOWS INCORPORATION OF PLANTINGS IN THE AREAS COVERED WITH DECOMPOSED GRANITE AND WHITE GRAVEL PRIOR TO ANY FINAL APPROVAL BE GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT SENT. 
          SAN ANTONIO IS NOT IN THE DESERT. 
          NOWHERE DO YOU FIND LAND OR PROPERTY THAT HAS ONLY GRANITE OR GRAVEL, EXCEPT IN THOSE INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE LANDSCAPE WITH IT AND IT IS NOT NATURAL TO THIS AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          1930 WEST MISSILE TOE. 
          THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 3 0 6 AT 1930 WEST MISSILE TOE. 
          MY NAME IS ROBIN FOSTER, MEMBER OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND P N A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 0 1. 
          OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS WHO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WHILE NOTING THAT THE NEW FRONT DOOR WAS NOT A PART OF THE TAX CERTIFICATION AND DID NOT RECEIVE O H P APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          10 0 9 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          THIS IS LISA LIND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 0 0 9 SOUTH ALAMA STREET. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 2 8 6. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          [01:05:01]
PLEASE ENSURE THAT STIPULATIONS REGARDING THE PROHIBITED USE OF NEON IS CLEARLY CONVEYED TO THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO AFTER HEARING COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL THE ITEMS, ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? UH, YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          AT THIS TIME I WILL RECUSE MYSELF, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER FETZER HAS LEFT, LEFT THE ROOM. 
          ITEM THREE. 
          ANY OTHER, UH, ITEMS? OKAY, 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA 1, 2, 4 THROUGH NINE WITH STEPH STIPULATIONS. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECOND MAY I HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          MORALES AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          ZER RECUSED. 
          UM, MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 21 CITY FOUR 18 BROOKLYN 8 0 1 NORTH MAINE, 1703 BROADWAY, 7 32 NORTH PINE, 1930 WEST MISSILE TOW, FIVE 16 EAST MULBERRY AND 10 0 9 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          SO ONE SECOND. 
          LEMME PULL THE APPLICANT. 
          MELODY PATRICK. 
          OKAY. 
          MELODY? YES, I'M HERE. 
          GREAT. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UH, THANKS. 
          UM, MY CONCERN ON THIS CASE IS NOT SO MUCH WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, BUT RATHER WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASPECT OF THE FILE AND FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, IN THE FINDINGS, I BELIEVE FINDING F WE TALK ABOUT EXISTING CHIMNEY SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          AND, UM, UH, I'M ASSUMING STAFF IS REFERRING TO THE ONE ON THE, THAT HAS AN OUTSIDE WALL CHIMNEY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UH, THAT'S NOT AN INDICATION THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO REMOVE IT, IT'S JUST THE HEADS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO CHIMNEYS THAT ARE BOTH VERY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GETS COVERED SO THAT, UM, FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AS WORK GETS DONE AND DRAWINGS GO TO DIFFERENT, UM, VENDORS AND, AND WORKERS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UM, THAT BOTH, UM, TO STIPULATION, STIPULATION FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX. 
          UM, THIS IS A PROPOSAL AND WE CAN DISCUSS THIS WITH MY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS HERE, UM, THAT THERE'S A THIRD STIPULATION THAT BOTH EXISTING CHIMNEYS SHOULD BE PRESERVED TO MAINTAIN. 
          AND I'M PROPOSING THAT BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOW THAT BOTH CHIMNEYS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. 
          AND I THINK IF WE CAN BE CLEAR ABOUT IT, UM, IN THE FINDING, UM, I THINK THAT CAN HEAD OFF SOME DISASTERS AT A LATER DATE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL. 
          I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE, THE CHIMNEYS ARE TO REMAIN IN THIS, UH, . 
          WELL, AND I THINK STAFF COULD. 
          UM, ALSO IF THE INTERNAL CHIMNEY HAS SOME IMPACT ON THE INTERNAL PLANNING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD CASES, UH, PREVIOUSLY WHERE THE CHIMNEYS, UH, HAVE BEEN, UH, BRACED UP IN THE, IN THE ATTIC SPACE, UH, AND, UH, RETAINED WHERE THEY PROTRUDE OUT TO THE EXTERIOR, BUT THEN ALLOWING THEM TO, TO, UH, DO WHAT THEY WANT IN THE, IN THE, UH, INTERIOR. 
          BUT I, I CONCUR. 
          THOSE ARE BOTH IMPORTANT. 
          CHARACT DEFINING FEATURES OF, OF OTHERWISE RATHER, UM, YOU KNOW, MODEST HOME. 
          WELL, I WOULD THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND JUST MAKE A A, 
          [01:10:01]
A MOTION THAT WE ADD TO, UM, RECOMMENDATION ONE THROUGH SIX, ADD STIPULATION THREE THAT BOTH EXISTING CHIMNEYS SHOULD BE PRESERVED AND MAINTAINED. 
          AND SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          S AYE. 
          QUEZ DID QUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES AYE. 
          MAZU AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION
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THAT TAKES US TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. 
          THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 10 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 93 10 24 NORTH CHERRY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH A NEW SHINGLE ROOF. 
          TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING HISTORIC FENESTRATION PATTERN OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY MODIFYING EXISTING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE WEST, NORTHWEST NORTH AND SOUTH ASIDES. 
          WINDOW OPENINGS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED IN SIZE REMOVED OR INTRODUCED. 
          DOOR OPENINGS HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AND RELOCATED. 
          THREE, REPLACED THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS FEATURING PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS. 
          FOUR. 
          MODIFIED THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO EAVES AND ATTIC VENTS. 
          FIVE. 
          MODIFY THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES PORCH FORM, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE PORCH ROOF COLUMNS AND DECK HEIGHT. 
          SIX. 
          REMOVE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL SIDING AND INSTALL COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH AND REMOVE WOOD TRIM AND INSTALL COMPOSITE TRIM WITH FO WOOD GRAIN. 
          AND SEVEN, CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 350 SQUARE FEET IN AN OPEN AIR REAR PORCH. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT ALL ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS BE PRESERVED. 
          AND TWO, THAT THE FREEZE BOARD BE REINSTALLED AT THE PREVIOUS PROFILE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION PATTERN, INCLUDING BOTH WINDOWS AND DOORS BASED ON FINDING. 
          D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL SIZES, LOCATIONS, AND PROFILES OF ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS BE RESTORED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF ALUMINUM WINDOWS MAY BE APPROPRIATE, HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOWS OR NOT CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS AS THEY FEATURE PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS, TIN, GLASS, AND ARE NOT INSTALLED AT AN APPROPRIATE DEPTH. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORM AND ATTIC VENTS BE REINSTALLED. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES PORCH FORM BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING PORCH PROFILE BE MAINTAINED BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. 
          COLUMNS SHOULD FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM. 
          PATIENT SOFFIT DETAILS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC VOTE. 
          VICTORIAN EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          SIDING REPLACEMENT AND TRIM REPLACEMENT WITH COMPOSITE MATERIALS BASED ON FINDING. 
          H STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE FEATURE SIDING AND TRIM WITH A PROFILE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC FOLK VICTORIAN EXAMPLES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          SIDING AND TRIM SHOULD BE WOOD STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING FINDINGS I THROUGH M STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING FOR THE REAR ADDITION. 
          UH, ONE THAT THE REAR ADDITION FEATURE IS SETBACK FROM THE WALLS OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR A SEPARATING ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE VERTICAL TRIM PIECE. 
          TWO, THAT THE SIDING AND TRIM FEATURE IS SMOOTH PROFILE AND THAT SIDING FEATURE AND EXPOSURE FOUR INCHES. 
          THREE THAT WINDOWS BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD TO BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ALUMINUM WINDOW MAY BE APPROPRIATE. 
          SHOULD IT BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. 
          AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION FEATURE AMASSING THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, INCLUDING REDUCED FOOT, EXCUSE ME, INCLUDING A REDUCED ROOF FORM THAT DOES NOT IMPACT THE PRIMARY RIDGE LINE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          THE REAR ADDITIONS ROOF SHOULD NOT IMPACT THE PRIMARY FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND THE APPLICANT, MR. JOSEPH MUNOZ IS HERE IN PERSON COMING UP 
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WITHOUT, UH, ALL THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. 
          I SEE THAT IN THE FRONT. 
          YOU SEE THAT THERE'S FOUR BIG WINDOWS. 
          IF YOU GET LIKE THE, I HAVE SOME PICTURES ON HERE. 
          I HAVE THE SIDE. 
          ALL THE WINDOWS ARE NOT LIKE ORIGINALLY LIKE THAT SIZE. 
          YOU COULD SEE THAT THEY ALL HAD ALREADY BEEN KIND OF BROKEN AND CHANGED OUT. 
          YOU COULD SEE THE SIDING WAS ALL ROTTEN OUT. 
          IT HAD TERMITES AND ALL KIND OF STUFF. 
          SO I GREW UP THERE. 
          I'M NOT AN INVESTOR. 
          I LIVED THERE MY WHOLE LIFE WITH MY GRANDMA. 
          SHE PASSED AWAY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME. 
          AND I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING FUN, SOMETHING GOOD FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. 
          AND IT'S BEEN NOTHING BUT A HEADACHE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          AND, UH, I DID CHANGE THE PICTURE OF THE ROOF. 
          IF YOU SEE ON, I HAVE OTHER PICTURES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THERE, BUT, UH, THE WAY THE ROOF WAS DESIGNED BACK IN THE TIME THAT I LIVED THERE, WHEN YOU LIVE IN A SMALL HOUSE, THEY HAD LITTLE PIECES LIKE THAT IN THE BACK ON AROUND THE HOUSE. 
          AND I HAVE A PICTURE HERE THAT SHOWS HOW THE, THE HOUSE WAS BEING DAMAGED 'CAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS BUILT THROUGHOUT THE TIME. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE PICTURES ON THE INSIDE THAT WAS CAUSING DAMAGE FROM THE ROOF THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED BECAUSE IT WAS EATING UP ALL THE WOOD ON THE INSIDE. 
          SO THESE ARE OTHER PICTURES THAT I HAVE ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PITCH WAS ON THE ROOF RIGHT THERE, ALL THE WATER WAS SEEPING IN AND DAMAGING THE ENTIRE FLOOR. 
          SO I HAVE ALL THE MOLD THAT WAS BUILT UP THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE FLOOR. 
          AND, UH, WELL THE PEOPLE AND FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT HELPED ME DO ALL THIS IS ALL VOLUNTARY WORK. 
          THEY HELPED ME OUT AND THEY GOT ME TO RE-PITCH THE ROOF. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD TO COME AND ASK OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UH, I JUST HAD PEOPLE HELP ME AND I DECIDED, HEY, WELL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MEANS SOMETHING TO ME. 
          I WANT, I WANT IT TO BE GOOD. 
          I WANT IT TO LAST FOR THE REST OF MY SON'S LIFE. 
          AND, UH, I RE-PITCHED THE ROOF SO THAT WAY THE WATER WOULDN'T SEEP INTO THE HOUSE AND IT'D SEEP OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE. 
          UH, I'VE DONE THAT. 
          UH, THE SIDING, I DID CHANGE OUT THE SIDING 'CAUSE OF ALL THE WAY THE SIDING WAS A LOT OF THE SIDING, THE SIDING THAT I COULD AFFORD OFF, OFFER UP. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAS DONATED TO ME. 
          AND THE PORCH WAS RECONSTRUCTED BECAUSE, UH, UH, THE PORCH WAS SET BACK AND THEN THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE, RIGHT BY THE WALKWAY, UH, THE WATER WAS DID, THE PORCH DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER PITCH. 
          SO THE WATER WAS JUST SEEPING INTO THE SIDE OF THE WALL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE WALLS THAT IS DAMAGED THERE. 
          UH, SO THROUGHOUT THE PORCH AND JUST BRING IT OUT, FLUSH WITH THE HOUSE. 
          SO THAT WAY WHEN THE WATER FELL OFF, IT WOULDN'T FALL INTO THAT CORNER OF THE, OF THE HOUSE CAUSING THE HOUSE TO, TO CONTINUE TO DAMAGE. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE, THE PORCH WAS, UH, JUST PRETTY MUCH PUSHED FORWARD AND PUSHED OUT TO THE SIDE. 
          SO THAT WAY AT THE, AT THE EDGES, THE WATER WOULDN'T SEEP INTO THE HOUSE AND KEEP IT FROM DAMAGING, UH, THE FRONT DOORS. 
          UH, THEY WERE GIVEN TO ME FROM, FROM A FRIEND. 
          AND, UH, HONESTLY, UH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE, IT WAS MUCH OF A HASSLE. 
          THE OLD DOORS WERE ALL DAMAGED. 
          THIS IS, THESE ARE NEW HOUSES THAT WERE APPROVED TO BE BUILT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALL HAVE NEW MODERN DOORS, UH, THAT ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT, WHAT I HAVE. 
          UH, THIS ONE HAS NEW SIDING JUST LIKE I DO. 
          AND THE DOOR EXACTLY LIKE MINE. 
          UH, AND, UH, THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL TO MY GRANDMA'S. 
          AND THE WINDOWS ARE JUST LIKE MINE. 
          THEY'RE A LOT SMALLER THAN WHAT I TRY TO GET TO KEEP IT MORE ORIGINAL. 
          AND THESE ARE ALL HOUSES THAT ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE BEING BUILT TODAY THAT HAVE THE SAME MATERIAL THAT I'M USING. 
          THE SAME WINDOWS, SAME DOORS, SAME CEDAR POST. 
          AND I DON'T SEE, I, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT IT WAS GONNA BE A PROBLEM WHEN I CAME INTO THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING. 
          YEAH. 
          I DID MOST OF THE WORK BY MYSELF WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY, BUT, UH, I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO PAY SOMEBODY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS THE ONE HOUSE THAT I FOUND ON NORTH PINE PROBABLY LOOKS ALMOST EXACT EXACTLY THE WAY I'M BUILDING MY GRANDMA'S HOUSE. 
          AND, UH, I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM TO DO ANY OF THAT WORK. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'VE DONE WHAT I'VE DONE. 
          IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO ASK AND AVOID THE HEADACHE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING THAT I WOULD'VE DONE. 
          BUT I GUESS I'M HERE TODAY 'CAUSE I DIDN'T GO ABOUT IT THE RIGHT 
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WAY. 
          AND I GUESS I COULD, ALL I COULD DO IS APOLOGIZE. 
          SORRY. 
          SORRY, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, FIRST BEFORE WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DON'T HAVE A VOICEMAIL, BUT THERE IS, UM, A LETTER, UM, OR A NOTE FROM, UH, GROUP OF CITIZENS FROM DIGNITY HILL NOTING THAT THEY AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT LETTER'S IN YOUR PACKET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, FIRST FOR THE STAFF. 
          UM, SO I SEE THERE WAS A STOP ORDER DONE ON THIS. 
          UM, THIS, THIS WASN'T A COMPLIANCE, WAS THIS A COMPLIANCE CASE? UH, NO. 
          STAFF, UM, ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER, I BELIEVE IN, UH, EARLY FEBRUARY. 
          UM, AND THE APPLICANT'S, UM, BEEN COOPERATIVE. 
          HE'S BEEN SUBMITTING INFORMATION, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET, THE APPLICANT MOST RECENTLY COMPLETED THOSE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT STAFF WAS REQUESTING FOR THIS TO, UH, GET AN ADEQUATE REVIEW FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND, UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR YOU, UM, MR. MUNOZ. 
          UM, SO I, I HEAR YOUR COMPASSION AND I HEAR, UH, I MEAN, HOW YOU FEEL CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT A, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE, SO IT'S NECESSARY TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE WORK GOING. 
          AND I'M, I APPLAUD YOU. 
          I MEAN, THE HOUSE LOOKS GREAT, I SEE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN ORDER TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? OR ARE YOU FEEL AS THOUGH YOU'RE AT A POINT THAT'S, YOU CAN'T REALLY GO BACK AT THIS AT THIS TIME? UH, A LOT OF STUFF LIKE THE PICTURE OF THE ROOF, THAT WAS LIKE THE MOST EXPENSIVE INVESTMENT THAT I HAD, ESPECIALLY MATERIAL BEING SO HIGH RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT DID COME OUTTA MY POCKET SIDING, I BOUGHT ON OFFER UP. 
          I, I CAN'T TEAR OUT ALL THE SIDING. 
          THE WAY THE SIDING WAS BEFORE WAS A LOT WORSE THAN WHAT I SEE NOW. 
          THE WINDOWS BEING IN THE SPOT WHERE THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, THE DOOR NOT BEING WHERE IT WAS FOR WHERE IT WAS AT BEFORE THE OTHER DOOR WAS NOT INSTALLED BECAUSE WE WERE STOPPED. 
          UH, SO WE DID THERE, THERE IS AN OPENING THERE, IT'S JUST CLOSED. 
          BUT THE TWO DOORS WERE GONNA BE THERE, ONE DOOR WAS MOVED OVER 'CAUSE THE WINDOWS WERE MOVED OVER. 
          LIKE, THE THING THAT I COULD DO IS, 'CAUSE I'M DOING THE WORK MYSELF, IT'S COST ME TIME ONLY. 
          I COULD MOVE THE DOOR BACK WHERE IT WAS AT. 
          I COULD MOVE THE WINDOWS WHERE THEY WERE AT. 
          AND, UH, I DON'T HAVE MONEY TO TEAR OFF ALL THE SIDING, FIND NEW WINDOWS AND ALL THAT. 
          SO LIKE, UH, THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD PROBABLY DO RIGHT NOW. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE WERE, I WAS ACTUALLY LIVING THERE. 
          THE, AROUND THE TIME THAT WE WERE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION, WE HAD ONE ROOM. 
          IT WAS ME AND MY SON AND MY GIRLFRIEND LIVING THERE. 
          I SOLD MY OLD HOUSE TO GET MONEY TO TRY TO BUILD WHATEVER MATERIAL THAT I HAD TO BUILD FOR WHATEVER I DID HAVE TO BUY. 
          AND WE HAD TO LEAVE BECAUSE WE WERE LEFT IN AN UNSAFE CONDITION. 
          MY SON'S A LITTLE OVERWEIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE NO FLOOR ON THE FRONT PORCH. 
          THE BACK PORCH IS A LITTLE SO HIGH FOR HIM TO GET UP AND GET DOWN LIKE ON A NORMAL BASIS. 
          SO, UH, RIGHT NOW WE PRETTY MUCH HAD TO GO LIVE WITH FAMILY BECAUSE WE'RE IN A, IN A STOP POSITION. 
          SO THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN DO IS MOVE WINDOWS AND DOORS, WHICH IS COST ME ABOUT TWO DAYS OF WORK, YOU KNOW? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. DO MUNOZ. 
          UM, THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. 
          OTHER THERE QUESTIONS? VINCE, MR. CHAIR? I, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. 
          I, I THINK THAT THE PROJECT'S A OF A PROJECT THAT REALLY GIVES US A GOOD EXAMPLE OF YOU, YOU KNOW, A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE THAT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY ANY, TYPICALLY ANY TEETH IN IT. 
          BUT THIS, THIS ENABLES US TO, TO, TO, TO BE CONSIDERATE OF A, WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE INNER CITY GETTING GENTRIFIED. 
          UM, UM, THAT TYPICALLY IS A DISCUSSION THAT REVOLVES AROUND HIGHER END DEVELOPER, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, PUSHING OUT, UH, PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN THESE COMMUNITIES HISTORICALLY. 
          NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN DEEMED AGAIN, THE DUBIOUS DISTINCTION OF BEING THE MOST ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY IN THE COUNTRY. 
          THAT'S FOR 2022. 
          NOW, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IN THE INNER CITY, IN THE POORER COMMUNITIES, THEY REPRESENT THE LOWER END OF THAT ECONOMIC, AND OF COURSE, THE HIGHER END OF THAT ECONOMIC, UH, IT CAN GET YOU ALL THE WAY OUT TO CAMP BULLIS. 
          BUT, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INNER CITY, YOU'RE HAVING HIGH-END DEVELOPMENT CLASHING INTO 
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VERY, VERY EXTREMELY LOW-END, UM, PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS. 
          AND IT'S SITUATIONS LIKE THIS THAT PUSH PEOPLE OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO WHEN H D R C IS ENGAGED IN THE OVERSIGHT OF A SITUATION LIKE THIS, UM, IT, IT THEN BECOMES ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE ORDINANCES OR, OR, UM, UH, UH, STRATEGIES LIKE, UH, UH, PRESERVATION WHERE THEY'RE SEEN AS DETRIMENTAL TO PARTICULAR COMMUNITIES WHERE HISTORICALLY THEY'RE ALMOST SYNONYMOUS WITH NOT IN MY BACKYARD OR THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR ECONOMICALLY, UM, IN ANY WAY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BEFORE THEY MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, AS THE JURISDICTION IS INCREASED FOR, FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THEY COME INTO COMMUNITIES THAT REMAIN AT A STATIC ECONOMIC BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY COULD LIVE IF, IF STAFF COULD ZOOM ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, THERE'S A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET THAT SAYS, WELCOME ON THE SIDE OF IT, AND IT'S A HUMBLE HOUSE. 
          THESE ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SAN ANTONIO'S INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF SAN ANTONIO'S INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR COMMON AMERICAN OR EUROCENTRIC PRESERVATION GUIDELINES, BUT IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET UTILIZED TO, UH, CREATE GUIDELINES FOR WHAT THIS YOUNG MAN WOULD, WOULD BE HELD TO. 
          AND JUST IN THE MOST COMMON VERNACULAR THAT HE SHOWED I IMAGES OF HOUSES THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, DESPITE THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT AN ARCHITECT OR THAT, THAT HE DIDN'T GO BEFORE A COMMISSION OF ARCHITECTS. 
          HE IN HIS OWN, UM, UM, VISUAL WAY LOOKED AND FOUND ELEMENTS AND INCORPORATED THOSE ELEMENTS INTO WHAT HE'S DOING. 
          SO JUST AT THE MOST BASIC LEVEL IS DOING ON HIS OWN EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE HIM DO. 
          ALTHOUGH HIS EYE IS LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HE KNOWS, WHEREAS HE'S HIT WITH THE GENTRIFICATION MODEL THAT SAYS THAT HIS EYE SHOULD SEE WHAT WE SEE. 
          SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THERE'S A SOLUTION. 
          UM, UH, BUT, BUT IT MOST DEFINITELY IS A, IS IS THAT, THAT THAT CROSSROADS WHERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL SAY THIS, I WAS ON THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE FOR THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF, OF NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          RIGHT? UH, AND, AND IF YOU TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT SAYS IS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE PROTECTION AND THE PRESERVATION OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BEING BUILT TODAY? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT EXIST, IN WHICH CASE THIS YOUNG MAN, HIS GRANDMOTHER, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT, THAT HE TAKES IT VERY TO HEART, VERY MUCH DEAR TO HEART, THAT WHAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS HOUSE IS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, HOW NICE OF A HOUSE IT COULD BE, BUT THE, BUT THE MEMORY OF HIS GRANDMOTHER, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CULTURE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS THAT TOUCH OUR HEARTSTRINGS WITH RESPECT TO OUR CITY, THAT CLEARLY THIS IS HIS STREET AND THIS IS HIS HOUSE, AND THAT HE'S WORKING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND EVEN WITHOUT THE CONTEXT OF LET'S SAY, THE OLD HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SO I I I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT IF WE'RE GIVEN THE POWER BY, BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S ORDINANCES TO LOOK AS A, AS THEY RECOMMEND TO ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS, THAT PERHAPS THIS IS A, A, A, A PLACE WHERE EQUITY AND CULTURE AND PRESERVATION AND, AND OUR VALUES, UH, CONNECT. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING, WE, WE EITHER USE THE GUIDELINES TO CREATE HARM OR WE USE THE GUIDELINES TO CREATE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY. 
          UH, I THINK THAT, UM, A DECISION THAT'S CONTRARY TO WHAT THIS YOUNG MAN'S NEEDS ARE, UH, IS IT WOULD BE A ONLY A DECISION THAT CAN CREATE HARM. 
          I, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THIS YOUNG MAN TO CONTINUE WITH HIS PROJECT SO THAT HIS FAMILY CAN MOVE INTO THIS HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER . 
          YEAH, I JUST HAVE SOME BASIC QUESTIONS. 
          UM, UH, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK THAT'S HAPPENED IN A RELATIVELY, UH, SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          YOU JUST ACQUIRED THE HOUSE LAST FALL, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO Y'ALL HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD, VERY DILIGENTLY, UM, MAJOR WORK, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THE ROOF, ROOF FORM, RIGHT? SOME ADDITION THINGS. 
          AND, UH, HOW ARE THOSE, UM, WELL, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE JUST GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING CITY INSPECTIONS ALONG THE WAY, CORRECT? UM, 
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LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD KNOW UP TO NOW IS FROM WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME TO DO, OKAY. 
          EDWARD HAS ASKED ME FOR, UH, UH, ARCHITECTS TO GO OUT THERE. 
          NOW, HE DIDN'T ASK ME. 
          HE ASKED ME, HE SAID I COULD ACTUALLY FREEHAND AND DRAW AND TELL HIM WHAT I WAS DOING. 
          I TRIED TO DO THAT SINCE I WAS SHUT DOWN. 
          IT'S BEEN ALMOST, WHAT, FIVE MONTHS? BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. 
          SO I HAD TO SAVE MONEY TO GET AN ARCHITECT TO GO OUT THERE, TO GO OUT THERE TO DRAW ALL THIS OUT FOR ME, UH, SETTING ME BACK, YOU KNOW, UM, THE ARCHITECT THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY TOLD ME, YOU NEED AN ENGINEER, YOU NEED HELP, WHATEVER. 
          I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THIS, THIS HOME THAT YOUR GRANDMA LEFT BEHIND. 
          AND I, THIS HOUSE WAS NOT, I INHERIT, I WAS NOT INHERITED. 
          I HAD TO BUY IT OFF MY ADS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO ME. 
          SO ALL THE MONEY THAT I DID HAVE TO PUT INTO THIS IS PRACTICALLY GONE, BUT I SAVED UP FOR THIS. 
          IT'S NOT CHEAP. 
          I KNOW SOME OF Y'ALL DO THIS, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T. 
          INSPECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I HADN'T BEEN ASKED TO DO AN INSPECTION. 
          NOBODY HASN'T TOLD ME ANYTHING. 
          UH, HE TOLD ME FROM WHAT HIS JOB IS, EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          SO THAT'S WITH THE DRAWINGS, I'M NOT LOOKING, I'M SORRY, WITH THE DRAWINGS, EVERYTHING LOOKS FINE. 
          WITH HIM ACTUALLY GOING AND MEASURING AND LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THERE, IT CAN LOOK FINE. 
          SO, UH, I'M NOT AFRAID TO GET AN INSPECTION FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD. 
          DO YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT? A WHAT? A BUILDING PERMIT A BUILDING. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          YOU HAVE NOT. 
          UM, THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT PROPER CODE ENFORCEMENT BUILDING PERMITS HAVE NOT BEEN PULLED FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          AND GOING TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S CONCERN ABOUT EQUITY AND VALUE AND, AND LEGACY WEALTH, I THINK THOSE ARE VALID. 
          AND WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS WHEN WE DO THINGS WITHOUT PERMITS, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT BUILDING WEALTH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND IT'S ONE OF, UH, IT'S A GREAT IMPEDIMENT TO BUILDING WEALTH MM-HMM. 
          , UM, BECAUSE IT CREATES PROBLEMS IN, UM, SAFETY, UH, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, UM, UM, EVEN IN RESALE MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO, UM, TO GET THE VALUE THAT YOU'RE DESER MM-HMM. 
           DESERVING TO GET FOR THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          I DON'T EVER PLAN ON SELLING THIS HOUSE. 
          WELL, OR INSURANCE OR EQUITY, YOU KNOW, GETTING INSURANCE, GETTING EQUITY FOR A LOAN, UH, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. 
          AND SO I'M CONCERNED THAT BY BYPASSING THAT, BY BYPASSING THE GUIDELINES THAT, UM, PROVIDE THE, THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY, ALSO, YOU ARE ACTUALLY UNDERMINING THE, THE EFFORTS OF A LOT OF US AND A LOT OF LEGACY HOMEOWNERS TO BUILD WEALTH. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT WAY TO DO IT. 
          BUT, UM, AND I HAVE A, A, A REAL PROBLEM WITH THE AESTHETIC PART, BUT ALSO THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN, UM, BYPASSED MM-HMM. 
           WITH THIS. 
          SO I, I JUST, UM, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE TAKEN APART PIECE BY PIECE. 
          AND I THINK, UM, THERE, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S SOME OF THE PARTS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER REVISING. 
          UH, LIKE, UH, LIKE I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND LIKE THE WAY YOU'RE TELLING ME 'CAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HALF THE WORDS YOU'RE USING. 
          SORRY. 
          OH, TAKE, UH, LET'S TAKE THE, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS PROVIDED. 
          ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER, UH, CONFORMING TO, THEY CONSIDER DOING WHAT? UM, WELL, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT DID MENTION THAT HE WOULD BE, UM, OPEN TO REINTRODUCING THE ORIGINAL DOOR OPENINGS, THE FRONT DOOR. 
          BUT, UM, SO, UH, I GUESS LET, IF COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN WALK THROUGH, I'LL WALK THROUGH EACH OF THEM ONE BY ONE. 
          UM, IF, AND THE APPLICANT CAN SAY YES OR NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS THE ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. 
          WE'RE SAYING THAT YOU REPLACING THE ROOF IS OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE GABLE RETURNS THAT YOU INSTALLED, SO, UH, RIGHT HERE, THE GABLE RETURNS THAT THEY BE ELIMINATED. 
          UM, AND THAT THE FREEZE BOARD, WHICH IS THIS LARGE, I GUESS THIS IS A ONE BY 12 PROFILE BOARD THAT, THAT BE REINSTALLED. 
          UH, SO ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD REINSTALL THE FREEZE BOARD. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS, THE ATTIC VENTS, UM, WERE MODIFIED. 
          THE ONES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY THERE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, BUT OUR STIPULATION, I'LL SLIDE BACK UP, SORRY. 
          UM, THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS 
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BE PRESERVED, THAT THE FREEZE BOARD BE REINSTALLED AT THE PREVIOUS PROFILE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU WANTED TO SEPARATE THE ITEM OF THE ROOF REPLACEMENT, UM, KIND OF DIVORCE THAT FROM, UH, THIS ADDITION, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, UH, THEN THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. 
          BUT, UH, I GUESS FOR THE ROOF REPLACEMENT, WE CAN FOCUS PRIMARILY ON REMOVAL OF THE, UH, GABLE RETURNS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO THAT THE PROFILE IS STRAIGHT AND CLEAN MM-HMM. 
           LIKE YOU HAVE HERE AND THE REINSTALLATION INSTALLATION OF THE FREEZE BOARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION PROFILE. 
          SO THIS IS IN REGARDS TO BOTH THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS. 
          UH, SO THE FRONT FACADE, LET'S JUST FOCUS ON THAT ONE. 
          UH, IT HAD THIS, UH, SET OF GROUPED WINDOWS HERE WITH THIS MULIAN. 
          UH, IT'S APPROXIMATELY SIX INCHES WIDE OR SO, AND THEN TWO INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS. 
          UM, YOU CAN NOTICE THE SILL HEIGHTS FOR THESE AND THE HEAD HEIGHTS. 
          UM, THEN THERE WAS ALSO A SIDE PORCH DOOR OPENING THAT WAS RIGHT HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO, UH, BASICALLY WHAT'S BEEN DONE IS THIS OPENING'S BEEN MODIFIED. 
          UM, THERE'S STILL A MILLION HERE, BUT IT'S NOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE HISTORIC PROFILE, UM, THE TWO SINGLE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED. 
          UM, THOSE HAVE BEEN, UH, ELIMINATED FOR, UH, BASICALLY A GROUPED WINDOW WITH THE, I GUESS THIS IS A FOAM MILLION. 
          UH, THIS IS A SINGLE UNIT HERE. 
          UM, THE ORIGINAL OPENING HAS BEEN SHIFTED AND THEN THE, UH, CORNER OPENING, WHICH I THINK I MAY HAVE A PICTURE OF, UH, YEAH, THE CORNER DOOR HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          UM, SO AS IT GOES FOR THE FRONT FACADE, BASICALLY YOU WOULD BE RESTORING THE FRONT FACADE TO EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY AS THAT RELATES TO WINDOW AND DOOR OPENING. 
          SO TWO DOORS AND THREE, WELL, UH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THREE WINDOW LOCATIONS, A TOTAL OF FOUR WINDOWS WITH THESE TWO BEING SEPARATED BY THIS MILLION. 
          YEAH, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE OTHER FACADES, UM, THIS WINDOW HERE, THE WINDOW'S BEEN REPLACED, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE SEAL HEIGHT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED. 
          UM, THE MODIFICATION OF THIS WINDOW AS WELL AS THE ONES ON THE FRONT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WIDTH HAS BEEN MAINTAINED. 
          UH, BUT THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SEAL HEIGHT WOULD'VE AT LEAST BEEN DOWN TO RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, IS THAT AN ISSUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND WITH ALL OF THESE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE NOT ONLY A MODIFICATION OF THE OPENING ITSELF, BUT A NEW WINDOW TO BE INSTALLED. 
          UH, JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, UNLESS COMMISSIONERS, UM, MOTION OTHERWISE, UH, JUST SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE HERE ON THE FRONT FACADE, UM, MAYBE ASSUMING THIS, BUT, UH, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, UM, THESE ARE STOCK UNITS THAT ARE JUST DOUBLE WIDE. 
          UM, SO YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE FRAMED WINDOW SET HERE COMES IN IN ONE UNIT PIECE. 
          THEY'RE NOT TWO INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS. 
          UH, SO FOR THERE TWO INDIVIDUAL WINDOWS, THEY'RE TWO IN. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE ORIGINAL HEAD AND SILL HEIGHT, UH, AS WELL AS THE WIDTHS TO BE RESTORED. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS MAY, MAY MOTION OTHERWISE. 
          UM, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE RELATIVELY, UH, OPEN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS HERE ON THIS SIDE, THEY'VE BEEN MODIFIED IN LOCATION SOME, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE RELATIVELY OPEN TO RESTORING THE ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE ONE ON THAT, ON THIS SIDE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH WHERE THEY WERE AT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, I DIDN'T, I DID, I DID MOVE THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT AND THE DOORS, THE OTHER DOOR THAT YOU SAY IS NOT THERE ANYMORE, IT'S THERE. 
          IT JUST WASN'T CUT OUT 'CAUSE WE WERE STOPPED. 
          GOTCHA. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO WORK, SO THE DOOR OPENING IS THERE, THERE IS A DOOR FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THAT OPENING. 
          UH, WHEN, WHEN I TRIED TO RE FIX IT, MY GRANDMA'S HOUSE, I TRIED TO PUT EVERYTHING THE SAME SIZE WINDOWS. 
          I CANNOT AFFORD IT. 
          UH, THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT I COULD AFFORD. 
          THEY WERE THE BIGGEST WINDOWS I COULD FIND. 
          I COULD FIT IN THAT OPENING. 
          THAT'S WHAT I USED. 
          UH, I, I CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY NEW WINDOWS. 
          UM, WELL, UM, MAYBE LET'S GO ON COMMISSIONERS. 
          Y'ALL HAVE HEARD, UM, THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT'S ABLE TO DO AND, AND MAYBE, UH, WHAT HE HAS LIMITATION ON SO WE CAN KEEP GOING. 
          UM, THE ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE MODIFICATION TO THE ROOF FORM. 
          UM, PRIMARILY IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO, UH, HERE ON THE, THE SIDE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PITCH, THE PITCH HAD CHANGED. 
          UM, AND I THINK YOU NOTED THAT, UH, A CHANGE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ROOF PITCH WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU ON, ON BASICALLY THE CHANGE TO THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF. 
          ON WHERE? ON THE FRONT SIDE? WELL, THE GABLE HERE AND THEN THE MODIFICATION, LIKE THE, UM, BASICALLY THE, THE FORM THAT THE ROOF FORM THAT'S BEEN REINSTALLED OR CON RECONFIGURED HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU ABLE TO 
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REINTRODUCE THE ROOF FORM? YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION'S A SEPARATE THING, BUT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM, YOU KNOW HOW YOU SAW EVEN AND FLAT. 
          CORRECT? UH, PRETTY MUCH. 
          CAN YOU TAKE ME BACK? ELIMINATING THIS RIGHT HERE, ELIMINATING THAT, BUT ALSO THE, LET'S SEE IF I HAVE A BETTER PHOTO FROM, SO THE, THE SIDE GABLE HERE MM-HMM. 
          , HOW TO WHAT EXTENT HAS THAT BEEN MODIFIED? THE ACTUAL PITCH? THAT'S THE SAME PITCH. 
          IT'S THE SAME PITCH. 
          IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST WHEN, WHEN WE TOOK OFF THE OLD SIDING, IT WAS ROT OUT, IT WAS WET, SO WE TORE OFF THE CABLE THAT WAS THERE. 
          SOME OF THE WOOD THAT WAS ON THE ROOF WAS ROTTEN OUT. 
          SO WE KIND OF TOOK ALL THAT OFF. 
          AND IF YOU SEE ZOOM IN ON THE PICTURE, THERE'S A GAP ABOUT THAT BIG FROM THE ROOF TO THE CABLE RIGHT THERE. 
          SO, UH, IT'S WHERE IT WAS AT. 
          IT JUST NEEDS TO BE, UH, FLUSH, YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, EXCUSE ME, EDWARD. 
          UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THIS APPLICATION AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMPLETE DISCUSSION WITH MR. MUNOZ IS THAT WE, UH, HAVE A SITE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE CAN MEET YOU OUT THERE AND, UH, DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, UM, INDIVIDUALLY AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, RATHER THAN TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH MAY TAKE, UM, MORE, MORE TIME THAN, THAN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND IF A COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO A SITE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND MEET WITH MR. MUNOZ OUT AT THE HOUSE AND LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC DETAILS AND FIND OUT WHAT WAS HERE, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE, UM, REVISED. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT WITH D R C AT THIS PROJECT. 
          I A SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YES. 
          UM, JUST REAL QUICK, MR. MUNOZ. 
          SO, UM, WHERE ARE YOU AT WITH THAT PORCH? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COVERED UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S OPEN. 
          JUST, IT'S IN THE PICTURE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          WHAT'S IN THE PICTURE? UM, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE DOING, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE, THE BEST YOU CAN WITH WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          UM, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR COMING HERE AND TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, WHEN WE GO OUT TO THIS SITE VISIT, IT'S KEY THAT YOU TAKE SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, TAKE NOTES OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA, WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET BRIEFED ON THAT BY MM-HMM. 
          , BY EDWARD, BUT, UH, IT'S YOUR CHANCE TO GET A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTS OUT TO YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT. 
          AND GIVE YOU, GIVE YOU SOME 2 CENTS ON, ON, ON WHAT'S WHAT AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR LIMITATIONS ARE, JUST LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. 
          SO TAKE THE, YOU TAKE, TAKE HIS, UH, HIS SHEET AND SAY, HEY, I CAN DO THIS, BUT I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR ME. 
          THIS IS NOT TOO MUCH FOR ME. 
          YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE THAT IRONED OUT SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO OUT THERE AND, AND VISIT, AND PROBABLY I'LL PROBABLY GO OUT THERE TOO. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT AND ANSWER THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? SOME THINGS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE MOST LIKELY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT, UH, AGAIN, THAT'LL ALL GET HASHED OUT AND, AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU TRY AND GET YOU TO THIS AS PAINLESS AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SABINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MORALES? AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO MR. MUNOZ, UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT AND IT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE SOMETIME NEXT WEEK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE THIS CASE ALONG AND GET WITH YOU OUT ON SITE. 
          ALRIGHT? APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          ITEM ITEM 11 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 0 4 8 0 2 NORTH PINE. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING SCOPES OF WORK ON THE REAR DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          ONE, REPAIR THE FOUNDATION. 
          TWO, REPLACE THE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF IN KIND THREE CONSTRUCTION, APPROXIMATELY 10 BY 10 DECK AT THE WEST END OF THE ADDITION. 
          FOUR. 
          REPLACE WATERFALL SIDING WITH HARDY SIDING, FULL GRAIN SIDE OUT FIVE, INFILL THE SOUTH DOOR WITH A ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOW. 
          SIX. 
          INSTALL A NEW ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND A NEW SLIDING WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. 
          SEVEN. 
          CONSTRUCT AN 80 SQUARE FOOT EDITION AND EIGHT CONSTRUCT A STAIRCASE AND HANDRAILS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE. 
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THIS IS A LONG ONE, LET ME GET TO IT ON HERE AS WELL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE, REPAIRING THE FOUNDATION, REPLACING THE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF IN KIND AND CONSTRUCTING A 10 BY 10 PLATFORM DECK ON THE WEST END OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING D STAFF. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR. 
          REPLACING T UH, ONE 17 WATERFALL SIDING WITH HARDY SIDING WITH THE FULL GRAIN SIDE OUT. 
          BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS RETURNING THE STRUCTURE TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION BY INSTALLING ONE 17. 
          THAT SHOULD BE T ONE 17 WATERFALL SIDING ON THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS FIVE AND SIX IN FILLING THE SOUTH DOOR WITH A ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOW, INSTALLING A NEW ONE OVER ONE VINYL WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND INSTALLING A NEW SLIDING WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED WINDOWS THAT CONFORM TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATION FOR WINDOWS, PARDON ME, IN ADDITIONS TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, SPECIFICALLY A STYLE THAT RELATES TO THE WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN THE STYLE AND DIMENSIONS. 
          IN STYLE AND DIMENSIONS, N IS WOOD SASH, OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD SASH. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, CONSTRUCTION OF AN 80 SQUARE FOOT EDITION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOW PROPOSED FOR THE WEST ELEVATION CONFORMED TO THE STANDARD SPECIFICATION FOR WINDOWS AND ADDITIONS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          SPECI SPECIFICALLY THAT IT RELATES TO THE WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN STYLE AND DIMENSIONS AND IS WOOD, SASH OR ALUMINUM. 
          CLA WOOD SASH STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM EIGHT, CONSTRUCTION OF HANDRAILS AND A STAIRCASE BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT MEASURED DRAWINGS OF THE PROPOSED HANDRAILS AND STAIRCASE FOR STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UH, THE OWNER, AVA SAUNDERS IS HERE AND WE, WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL TO PLAY. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH DITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DITY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 0 4 LOCATED AT 8 0 2 NORTH PINE. 
          WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S FINDINGS ON ITEM SEVEN AND EIGHT. 
          ACCORDING TO O P'S DESCRIPTION, THIS STRUCTURE WAS INCLUDED IN THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAP IN 1912 TO INCLUDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CURRENT SUBJECT ATTACHED STRUCTURE. 
          DUE TO ITS HISTORIC AGE, NO CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THIS STRUCTURE, SUCH AS CHANGING WINDOWS OR DOOR PLACEMENTS SHOULD OCCUR. 
          WE WOULD ALSO LIKE CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THE STAIRS AND NEW HANDRAILS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED SINCE THERE AREN'T ANY DRAWINGS REFLECTING WHERE THEY WILL GO. 
          AND IF APPROVED STAIRS AND RAILINGS SHOULD MEET O H P GUIDELINES. 
          APPLICANTS MUST STOP ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS AND START PROVIDING SITE PLANS TO O H P PRIOR TO ASKING THE H D R C COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE ON ITEMS THAT THEY HAVEN'T SEEN YET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AS I SAID, WE HAVE THE OWNER, EVA SAUNDERS HERE IN ATTENDANCE. 
          IF YOU ALL COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES BEFORE YOU SPEAK. 
          NO PROBLEM. 
          WANNA START JUAREZ? MY GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS DANTE JUAREZ. 
          UM, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT WE AGREE WITH YOU, UM, ABOUT THE HISTORY, THE HISTORIC PART OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE WE ARE VERY INTERESTED. 
          WE MADE A MISTAKE AT THE BEGINNING THAT WE, UH, CONTRACTED A, UM, A CONTRACTOR WHO WAS NOT AWARE ABOUT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          AND WE STARTED WITH THAT, UH, SMALL HOUSE THAT WAS ALREADY IN THAT STATE THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          UH, WE ASKED HIM IF WE NEEDED TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE CITY, UH, TO, TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION AND HE SAID NO BECAUSE IT WAS LESS THAN 500, UH, SQUARE FEET. 
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UM, WE TRUSTED HIM AND WE MADE THE MISTAKE. 
          WE STARTED, UH, SPENDING MONEY ON THE MATERIALS AND TO, TO RECONSTRUCT IT, TO REPAIR IT. 
          AND THIS IS NOT A BIG PROBLEM. 
          WE ARE CONSTRUCTING A HOUSE ON, UH, 8 0 2 PINE STREET. 
          BUT THANKS TO, UH, ROCHELLE AND CLAUDIA WHO WENT AND VISITED US AND TOLD US ABOUT THE HISTORY, UH, STRUCTURE, WE DECIDED TO STOP THE WORK AND ALSO TO START WORKING WITH, WITH THAT PERSON. 
          UM, AND THEN I TOOK OVER BECAUSE I WAS JUST CHECKING ON THE WORK, BUT NOW I, I, I TOOK OVER, UM, AND THEN I START GATHERING ALL OF THE PERMITS THAT WE NEEDED. 
          WE EVEN WENT TO THOSE, UM, REUNIONS OR MEET, UH, MEETINGS THAT EXPLAINED TO US ABOUT THE HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          WE HAVE INVESTIGATED, UH, THE KIND OF WINDOWS AND DOORS WERE TO PURCHASE THEM. 
          I HAVE TRIED TO DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS HOUSE. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO DO, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE TO DO SO WE DON'T WASTE MORE MONEY? BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE, UM, UH, INE THAT, THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO INVEST. 
          UH, WE WANT, I WANT TO ASK YOU IF, IF YOU WOULD LET US OR, YOU KNOW, UH, CONTINUE, CONTINUE, UH, INVESTING AND REMODELING THE, THE BIG HOUSE AND ALLOW US TO STOP THE WORK ON THE SMALL HOUSE BECAUSE WE REALLY CANNOT AFFORD IT WITH A, I HAVE THE CONTRACT HERE. 
          UH, THIS CON UH, THIS, UH, CONTRACTOR, I BELIEVE HE COMMIT, UH, HE DID US A FRAUD WITH OVER, UH, $7,500 THAT I BELIEVE HE STOLE FROM US. 
          THE PICTURE, THE FRONT PICTURE OF THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          MAIN HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, AND THE COLUMNS, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THEM SO WE CAN FIX THE, THE FLOOR WITH THE SAME WOOD THAT THE FLOOR HAS RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S SO WE CAN, THAT'S A SEPARATE REQUEST. 
          SO TODAY'S AGENDA IS JUST THE ACCESSORY, I'M SORRY, BUT YES, WE HAVE 
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TO REMOVE THE COLUMNS, SO TO REMOVE THE FLOOR, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO, UH, REPAIR THE COLUMNS. 
          WE ARE JUST GONNA REPAIR THEM. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE THEM. 
          UM, I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. 
          SO I'M EVA, THE HOMEOWNER. 
          UM, I GOT A EMAIL YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE FROM CLAUDIA WHO SAID THAT, UM, MY C O A APPLICATION THAT I SUBMITTED FOR THE PORCH, SHE SAID SHE COULD NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE I HAD STATED ON THE, UH, APPLICATION THAT I WOULD BE REPLACING EVERYTHING IN KIND TO HOW IT CURRENTLY STANDS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COLUMNS. 
          I DID STATE ON THERE THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING THE COLUMNS NOT REPAIRING. 
          SO SHE SENT AN EMAIL BACK STATING THAT YOU GUYS HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, REPAIR RATHER THAN REPLACE THE COLUMN. 
          SO SHE SAID THAT THAT WOULD BE SPOKEN ABOUT DURING THIS HEARING. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ADDED ONTO THE PAPERWORK, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD ON AND KNOW HOW TO PROCEED. 
          SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAYBE ADD OR I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO LIKE COME TO A SEPARATE HEARING FOR THAT. 
          TO CLARIFY, UM, WE'RE REVIEWING THE REQUEST FOR THE COLUMNS FOR THE NEXT HEARING. 
          UM, SO WE LOOKED AT THAT TODAY. 
          SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS JUST FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY MODIFICATIONS. 
          I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS WHAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS THEN DO YOU HAVE FOR US FOR THE HOUSE? A LITTLE HOUSE IN THE BACK BECAUSE WE ALREADY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE THINGS RIGHT, . 
          UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, I WOULD LIKE YOU ALSO TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME MY DAUGHTER AND I WORK TOGETHER IN, IN, IN ANY PROJECT. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST ONE AND ALSO THE FIRST ONE WHERE WE DO SOMETHING HISTORIC. 
          AND ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO BRING HERE IS THAT, UH, WE LOVE EVERYTHING HISTORIC ABOUT SAN ANTONIO, AND I THINK, UH, THE CITY SHOULD BE MORE OPEN TO, UM, TO BRING TOPICS TO ALSO WE CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEN THE HOUSES DON'T, DON'T LOOK PRETTY. 
          THEY LOOK LIKE A, THEY WERE PAINTED BY A FIVE YEAR OLD . 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY, WELL, SO JUST TO CHANGE THINGS IN THE BETTER WAY POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU. 
          WELL, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF SEVERAL OF YOUR ITEMS. ONE OF THEM IS THE FOUNDATION REPAIR. 
          THIS IS ALL WITH THE SMALL HOUSE IN THE BACK, REPAIRING THE FOUNDATION, REPLACING THE SHINGLE ROOF, AND CONSTRUCTING THE 10 FOOT BY 10 FOOT PLATFORM. 
          UM, THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE SIDING THAT WAS INSTALLED, UH, SINCE IT WAS NOT, UH, WELL, THERE WAS HISTORIC SIDING ON THE BUILDING AND IT WAS REPLACED WITH A, UH, FOG, WOOD GRAIN SIDING, WHICH IS GENERALLY AGAINST THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, WOOD SIDING THAT IS REPAIRABLE IS RECOMMENDED TO BE REPAIRED, OR IF IT'S NOT REPAIRABLE TO REPLACE IN KIND, IN OTHER WORDS, 
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REPLACE TO MATCH WHAT WAS THERE. 
          SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS, UM, SIDING BE REMOVED AND THE ORIGINAL SIDING OR SOMETHING TO MATCH BE REINSTALLED. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF, UH, THE DOOR AND WINDOWS, EXCEPT THAT THE WINDOWS NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS, UH, WHICH HAS SOME DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS RELAYED THAT INFORMATION TO THE APPLICANT. 
          AND THEN, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION, THE 80 SQUARE FOOT EDITION. 
          UH, THEY'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF HANDRAILS AND STAIRCASE. 
          UH, WE DO, THEY DO NEED DRAWINGS FOR THAT. 
          UH, THERE AREN'T ANY DRAWINGS FOR THE STAIRCASE OR HANDRAILS. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, ANY WINDOWS IN THE, UM, ADDITION MEET STANDARD STIPULATIONS. 
          SO IN MY READING THROUGH THIS AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE, UH, THE TWO QUESTIONS ARE, UM, FINDING WINDOWS THAT WOULD MEET STAFF'S OR THE STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS. 
          IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? AND THEN THE OTHER POSSIBILITY IS CHANGING THE, UH, SIDING BACK TO, UH, MATCH THE HISTORIC. 
          SO THAT'D BE TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THE PREVIOUS WINDOWS THAT, THAT THEY, THAT THE HEARTS HOUSE ALREADY HAD, THEY WERE NOT HISTORIC. 
          THEY WERE, THEY WERE STANDING WINDOWS, LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SASH AND LIKE THOSE, UM, PARTS THAT THE MAIN HOUSE HAS. 
          SO I LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, A PART OF THE, PART OF THE, UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT I GOT FROM YOU GUYS WAS TO MATCH THE WINDOWS TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, BUT WAS WHAT I WAS UNSURE ABOUT, UM, WAS WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WITH PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS HOW THE LITTLE HOUSE WAS BEFORE OR ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE MAIN HOUSE BECAUSE THE, THE WAY THAT IT WAS BEFORE THE WINDOWS, UM, WERE NOT, UM, LIKE THE WINDOWS IN THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH WERE THOSE OLD SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, SASH AND, UM, CORD WINDOWS. 
          THESE WINDOWS WERE JUST, UM, WHAT MY STEPDAD CALLS MODERN. 
          BUT UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHAT ROUTE TO TAKE WITH THE WINDOWS. 
          BUT, UM, IF WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE COULD COME OUT THERE OR IF, IF MAYBE WE CAN JUST GET SOME, UM, TELEPHONE OR EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE BACK FROM YOU GUYS JUST TO, TO REALLY SPECIFY, UM, ON THE WINDOWS. 
          BUT WE WOULD BE OPEN TO, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, HEARING YOU GUYS OUT ON THAT AND, UH, TRYING TO, TO FIX IT. 
          I CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE STRUCTURE BEFORE IT WAS, UH, ALTERED. 
          AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE TYPE OF FENESTRATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, WINDOWS THAT SORT OF MIMIC WHAT'S ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, WHICH MEANS THE MAIN HOUSE ON THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS MATCHES WHAT YOU SEE. 
          SORRY, IT'S THE SAME DIMENSIONS AS THESE HOUSES ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT WEST END OF THE REAR STRUCTURE IS A WINDOW THAT MIMICS THAT HISTORIC CONDITION ON, ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          WHEN YOU SAY MIMIC, DO YOU MEAN FUNCTIONALLY OR DO YOU MEAN AESTHETICALLY? BOTH. 
          BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GIVEN THAT THE  SORRY, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK ON SORRY, SORRY. 
          UM, SO MY QUESTION IS IF THE, THE WINDOWS THAT WERE IN EXISTENCE ON THE CASITA, UM, BEFORE WE EVER TOUCHED IT, UM, DIDN'T HAVE, UM, WEREN'T IDENTICAL IN FUNCTIONALITY TO THE MAIN HOUSE, BUT UM, AESTHETICALLY, UH, THEY WERE, UM, IS, IS THAT WHAT WE NEED TO, TO DO IS TO, TO FIND THOSE OLD SCHOOL WINDOWS? UM, ARE, ARE YOU GUYS SUGGESTING LIKE COMPLETE REMOVAL OF THE WINDOWS TO, TO MATCH THE, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT, SO WHAT THE STIPULATIONS ARE ASKING IS ON THE WEST END SPECIFICALLY, UM, I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL PROPOSED A 12 BY 48 WINDOW THERE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WOOD SASH OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN FOR THIS WINDOW, THIS IS JUST A VINYL SASH WINDOW, WHICH DOESN'T CONFORM TO GUIDELINES. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING ALSO FOR A WOOD OR 
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ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW FOR THIS LOCATION AS WELL. 
          CAN YOU, YOU, CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU DISPLAY THAT PICTURE PLEASE? IN, IN THIS PICTURE YOU HAVE THIS WINDOW. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THIS PICTURE IT SHOWS THE WINDOW AND THE DOORS THAT WE REPLACED. 
          THERE'S ALSO THIS HISTORIC WINDOW THOUGH THAT WAS REMOVED. 
          YEAH, WE PUT IT ON THE, THE WINDOW IS ACTUALLY JUST, WE, WE UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T SNAP A PICTURE OF THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THE CASITA, BUT THAT WINDOW WAS MOVED, CORRECT FROM, UM, WHERE IT PREVIOUSLY WAS TO THE OTHER SIDE WHERE THE BEDROOM IS GOING TO BE. 
          AND THEN THAT SIDE WAS ACTUALLY COVERED BECAUSE THE, THE PREVIOUS CASITA DID NOT HAVE A BATHROOM. 
          SO WHERE THE WINDOW WAS REMOVED, UM, IS WHERE WE'VE CURRENTLY ADDED A BATHROOM IN THE INTERIOR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T, WE DIDN'T WANNA WINDOW IN THE, IN THE BATHROOM. 
          SO WE, WE DID SWITCH IT OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE AND, AND MY STEPDAD, UM, MADE THE, UM, HE ESTABLISHED ALREADY, YOU KNOW, THAT IT, WE ACKNOWLEDGE OUR MISTAKES AND, UM, WE WERE WORKING, UNFORTUNATELY WITH A CONTRACTOR WHO WE TRUSTED AT THE TIME. 
          AND, AND SO THIS WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST THING THAT WE, UH, GOT INTO WAS, WAS WORKING ON THE CASITA. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO, TO HEARING YOU GUYS OUT AND I'M, I'M CLEAR NOW ON THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, SO IF, IF YOU GUYS WANNA TALK ABOUT LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S NEXT? I GUESS CASITA MEANS LITTLE HOUSE. 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE WOODS, THE SIDING. 
          UM, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON REPLACING THE, THE HARDY SIDING THAT'S ON THERE WITH, UH, WOOD SIDING THAT WOULD MATCH THE WHAT WAS ON THERE ORIGINALLY? YES. 
          AND THE, THE LITTLE HOUSE IS IN THE BACK. 
          YOU CANNOT SEE IT FROM THE FRONT. 
          THERE'S ALSO, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES AND WE HAVE THE SIDING THAT OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO HAVE. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WILL, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THIS. 
          UM, WHEN YOU FOUND THE ORIGINAL CASITA, UH, WHAT WAS IN IT, WHAT WAS THE USE? COULD YOU GUESS WHAT IT WAS BEING USED FOR? AND MS. UH, SAUNDERS? IT HAD, UM, A KITCHENETTE. 
          IT WAS LIKE A SMALL HOUSE TO LIVE IN, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE A BATHROOM. 
          UM, MS. SAUNDERS, WHAT KIND OF SHAPE OR CONDITION WAS IT IN? UM, SO WE ACTUALLY STARTED ON THE CASITA WANTING TO, UH, PRESERVE THE SIDING ORIGINALLY. 
          AND SO WHEN WE, UH, UM, WE DON'T UNFORTUNATELY HAVE PICTURES AT THIS TIME, BUT WHAT WE WERE DOING IS WE WERE ATTACHING SIDING TO THE EXISTING SIDING JUST TO EXTEND THE HOUSE TO MAKE IT BIGGER SO THAT WE CAN ADD A BATHROOM. 
          UM, BUT WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THAT ONCE WE STARTED DOING THAT WORK IS THEN WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT ALL OF THAT SIDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN EXISTENCE WAS ACTUALLY ROTTED. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONTRACTOR RECOMMENDED, UH, JUST REPLACING ALL OF THE SIDING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          UM, THE INTERIOR, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY IT WAS IN LIKE OKAY SHAPE. 
          IT JUST LOOKED LIKE IT HADN'T BEEN TOUCHED PROBABLY IN, IN A LONG TIME. 
          UM, THE, THE ROOF WAS, UM, IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS THE SIDING GOES, YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE TRIED AT THE BEGINNING TO JUST ADD ON TO WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT ONCE WE DISCOVERED THE CONDITION THAT THE WOOD WAS IN. 
          YEAH, MY MY GUESS FROM THE LOCATION OF IT AND THE SIZE THAT IT WAS A MODEST LITTLE UTILITY SHED. 
          IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR LAUNDRY OR FOR SOME OTHER, UM, UTILITARIAN PURPOSE, GOT TRANS TRANSITIONED TO A SLEEPING ROOM WHERE SOMEBODY COULD RENT. 
          UM, AND, UM, SO THE, THE, THE CHARACTER OF THAT IS A 
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MODEST, NOT FANCY, BUT A MODEST SUBORDINATE BUILDING, ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT IS ACCESSORY TO THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THINGS LIKE WINDOW FORMS, UH, SIDING AND OTHER THINGS, UM, HELP TIE THE CHARACTER TO THE LARGER HOUSE, NOT JUST THE COLOR, BUT THE MATERIALS ALSO, AND THE WINDOWS. 
          SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          YOU HAPPEN TO BE ON A CORNER. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT TWO RIGHT OF WAYS. 
          THIS IS VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT, BUT IT'S VISIBLE FROM, I'M NOT SURE, IS IT, UM, BURNETT OR HAYES BURNETT. 
          UM, SO IT'S PRETTY VISIBLE. 
          SO THAT SAID, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT THE HISTORIC CHARACTERS SHOULD BE HONORED. 
          ONE OF THE EASY WAYS TO DO THAT IS WITH THE SIDING. 
          UH, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          I I, I DO AGREE WITH YOU, BUT THE DETAIL HERE IS THAT WE WISH TO FINISH FIRST WITH THE REMODELING OF THE BIG HOUSE BECAUSE WE TRULY CANNOT AFFORD TO KEEP INVESTING MONEY ON THE SMALL HOUSE. 
          WE HAVE INVESTED A LOT ABOUT $30,000. 
          AND AT THIS MOMENT, UM, WE WANT, WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THE BIG HOUSE, AND IF THERE'S ANY MONEY LEFT, UH, IF THERE'S ANY MONEY THAT CONTINUE WITH THE REMODELING OF THE SMALL HOUSE, I I UNDERSTAND THE PREDICAMENT. 
          UM, I DEFINITELY FEEL FOR THAT. 
          UM, UM, BUT YOU DIDN'T, THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT CORRECT FOR THIS, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE'S NOT, AND, AND, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I, I TRIED TO, OKAY. 
          S OKAY, WELL, THE CONTRACTOR THAT WE HAD, UH, DIDN'T MAKE THE, THE, THE PRO, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T FILE FOR A PERMIT. 
          UH, AND WHEN I TRIED TO FILE FOR A PERMIT TO GET A PERMIT, THEY TOLD ME HERE THAT THE SMALL HOUSE WAS NOT REGISTERED AND WAS, WAS NOT REGISTERED WITH THE DEEDS. 
          IT, IT WAS IN NONEXISTENT. 
          SO I WILL PROBABLY NEED TO START THE PROCESS TO REGISTER AT A SMALL HOUSE. 
          YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM. 
          AND THAT, UH, REASONING FOR NOT, UM, GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, AND IT'S NOT JUST YOUR CASE, BUT THE PREVIOUS CASE AND OTHER CASES, BUILDING PERMITS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR LOTS AND LOTS OF REASONS. 
          AND, UM, I, I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU NOW THAT IN SOME CASES IT'S FOR SAFETY, RIGHT? HOW THINGS GET WIRED, HOW THINGS GET PLUMBED. 
          I, I SEE, UM, SEWER LINES ON MY BLOCK THAT WILL BE FOREVER, UM, NON-FUNCTIONING BECAUSE UN PERMITTED WORK OCCURRED. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT, UM, IT ALSO ACTS AS A PROTECTION FOR CONSUMERS. 
          IT HELPS YOU HOLD YOUR CONTRACTOR TO THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? SO, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD CONSUMER PROTECTION TOOL. 
          UH, THAT ASIDE, UH, BECAUSE THIS CASITA WAS NOT A FULL DWELLING UNIT, NOW YOU'RE TURNING IT INTO A DWELLING UNIT. 
          THIS IS NOTHING THAT WE HAVE PURVIEW OVER, BUT I DO WANNA SAY, UM, I'M WONDERING ABOUT YOUR WINDOW THAT YOU SHOW IN THE PLAN, AND IS THAT YOUR EGRESS WINDOW? AND IT'S ON A PROPERTY LINE, SO YOU'VE GOT SOME LARGER ISSUES THAT WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE WINDOW ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          SO, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY ONCE YOU DO GET A PERMIT AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, ADDRESS EGRESS WITH WINDOWS IF YOU'RE ON A PROPERTY LINE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THOSE WERE ALL EXCELLENT COMMENTS AND, AND DEFINITELY GERMANE TO THE PREVIOUS CASE AS WELL, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA STRIVE FOR EQUITY, 
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WE ALSO HAVE TO STRIVE FOR FAIRNESS AND JUSTICE AND FOLLOWING THE RULES. 
          AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH LIFE SAFETY AND CONSUMER PROTECTION AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS. 
          AND SO, ONE COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT THIS LITTLE CASITA, I MEAN, CLEARLY IT HAD GONE THROUGH A LOT OF ALTERATIONS OVER TIME, AND, UM, IT WAS IN NOT GREAT CONDITION. 
          AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR THESE LITTLE, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. 
          OFTEN THEY WERE BU BUILT WITH THE LEFTOVER CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL FROM THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU MIGHT HAVE A WINDOW THAT'S KIND OF RANDOM AND PUT IN THERE. 
          UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME OF THE SIDING AND, UH, IT WAS LEFT OVER WITH THE SCRAPS, UH, OR IT WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM THE SCRAPS. 
          MY SENSE IS YOU HAVE A MUCH LARGER AND IMPORTANT PROJECT AHEAD OF YOU, THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS DOESN'T BECOME JUST MAGNIFIED IN PROBLEMS WHEN YOU GO UP TO THE BIG HOUSE WHEN YOU ARE WORKING ON, ON THE, THE LARGE HOUSE THAT THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THIS LITTLE CASITA PROJECT, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE CARRIED OVER. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN GET THIS THING ENCLOSED, IF WE CAN GET TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT ON THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MANY, MANY SQUARE FEET OF SIDING TO HAVE TO REPLACE ON THE MAIN HOUSE, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME LEFTOVER MATERIALS FROM THAT PROCESS. 
          AND YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT HOW YOU PRIORITIZE THE USE OF YOUR MONEY HERE, AND KNOWING THAT, UM, THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY COUNTS ON THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          NOT THAT THIS IS NOT AN HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THE, THAT THE, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS DONE CORRECTLY. 
          AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO GO AND GET SOME MORE OF THE SIDING MILLED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THIS LITTLE CAITO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A MINUSCULE AMOUNT COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'LL HAVE TO REPLACE ON THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, STRATEGICALLY AND HOW TO APPROACH THE OVERALL PROJECT. 
          UM, AND , LIKE YOU SAID, THIS GETS INTO THINGS THAT GO WAY BEYOND H DRCS PURVIEW, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THIS LITTLE STRUCTURE, IT DOES BEGIN TO MAKE ME WONDER THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, CLOSER SCRUTINY HERE BECAUSE OF SOME LIFE SAFETY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BUT I, I WOULD ALMOST PUT A PAUSE ON THIS AND THINK ABOUT HOW YOU STRATEGICALLY DO THE MAIN HOUSE, AND WHEN YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, TO DO WHAT STAFF IS REQUESTING FOR THE CASITA IS PRETTY MINUSCULE. 
          THANK YOU MI, MR. CHAIR. 
          I, I, UM, WHAT WANNA, UH, JUST KIND OF ADD THAT YOU WELL, I THINK, UH, ABOUT THESE APPLICANTS THAT ARE HERE AND LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, I'M, I, I ASK MYSELF IF I WAS, IF I WAS THEM RIGHT, WHAT DO I KNOW AT THIS POINT THAT I HAVE TO DO NOW? AND JUST BEING HONEST WITH MYSELF, I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO NOW. 
          I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PARAMOUNT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT DOES THIS APPLICANT DO FROM THIS POINT ON, RIGHT? UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY SPEAK FOR THE COM COMMISSION AS A WHOLE, BUT, BUT I FEEL LIKE PERHAPS THIS APPLICANT IS UP AGAINST A, A, A, A CORNER PUT IN A CORNER, AND, AND THE HONESTY OF THAT, OF THAT POSITION IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN ASKS THAT THAT CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THE COMMISSION ARE BASIC. 
          BASICALLY, I THINK IN ORDER FOR THIS APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY FORTHRIGHT ABOUT, UM, UM, ANY DESIRE TO PUT ANY MORE MONEY IN, IN THE PROJECT, BUT WITH RESPECT TO, I, I, WHAT I THINK, WHAT I FEEL, THE, THE, THE ASK IS WITH REGARD TO WINDOWS AND, AND, AND DOORS AT THE SIMPLE, AT THE SIMPLEST LEVEL, IT'S THE RETURN OF THE, THE WINDOW THAT IS ON THE NEW WALL. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE OLD WALL, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT WAS EXTENDED AND THE LITTLE WINDOW, AND THEN PROBABLY THE DOOR TYPE, AT THE VERY LEAST, RIGHT? AND THEN THE NEXT LEVEL WOULD BE WHETHER THE COMMISSION AGREED THAT THE WALL SIDING SHOULD RE BE RETURNED TO THE WOOD PROFILE. 
          THAT IS A COMMON HOME DEPOT PROFILE, RIGHT? THEY SET IT AT HOME DEPOT THAT COULD BE APPLIED ON TOP OF THE HARDY BOARD, OR 
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THAT, THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, THAT THE WINDOWS AND THE DOOR, IF NOBODY WAS GONNA PUSH THE WALL PROFILE, RIGHT? SO IF THE HARDY BOARD WAS GONNA STAY, THEN REASONABLE FIRST STEP WOULD BE, UH, THAT AS HARD AS IT IS THAT THE WINDOW, THE LITTLE WINDOW BE RETURNED TO ITS SIZE AND DIMENSION AND TRIM SIZE, AND THAT THE LARGER WINDOW BE RETURNED. 
          AND THE EXAMPLE OF THAT WINDOW IS RIGHT THERE IN THE PICTURE. 
          WELL, THE PICTURE I HAVE ON MY SCREEN, NOT THE PICTURE, Y'ALL HAVE THE, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE, THE DISMANTLED, UM, VIEW, UH, THE, THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE OPENING YEAH, THAT ONE, THAT, THAT'S THE ACTUAL SIZE OF, OF THE WINDOW YOU WOULD REPLICATE IN THE NEW WALL. 
          SO YOU'D CUT A HOLE IN THAT NEW WALL AND PUT THAT WINDOW THERE. 
          AND I GUESS STAFF WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THAT, THAT WINDOW THAT YOU ADDED AND THEN THE LITTLE WINDOW, RIGHT? THE LITTLE WINDOW WOULD BE THE WINDOW THAT, UM, WOULD HAVE TO BE RETURNED IN ITS DIMENSION. 
          AND, UH, AT THE VERY LEAST, UNLESS, UNLESS SOMEBODY ON THE COMMISSION WAS GONNA SAY NO, BUT THE WALLS HAVE TO BE THAT PROFILE, IN WHICH CASE I, UH, UH, CONSIDERING THAT HE WENT BEFORE, UH, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND THEY SAID, HEY, YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BELOW AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THAT CAN REASONABLE, UH, CONFUSION WAS CREATED. 
          AND THAT BEING SAID, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I'M VERY CLEAR ON SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE DISCUSSION ON THAT IT BROUGHT UP ON EQUITY HAS TO DO WITH THAT CLASH BETWEEN EXISTING OLD COMMUNITIES AND THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT INHABIT THEM AND THE GENTRIFYING NEW COMMUNITIES. 
          NOT A GENERIC, UH, CONCEPT, VERY SPECIFIC TO SAN ANTONIO'S, AN ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WHO THEY ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT ASIDE, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, UH, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS REALLY IN THE DOOR AT THE VERY LEAST, RIGHT? AND THEN AT THE HIGHER LEVEL OF THAT WOULD BE THE WALL PROFILE. 
          UM, CAN I MAKE ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION THOUGH, COMMISSIONER, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO RETURN THE WINDOW TO THE PREVIOUS SIZE. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO WINDOWS THERE. 
          NOW WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THEY PROPOSE A WINDOW THAT IS EITHER WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD SASH FOR THOSE LOCATIONS THAT THEY ADDED TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO RETURN THOSE TO A PREVIOUS CONDITION. 
          AND, AND I APPRE I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT I WAS JUST COMBINING THE COMMENTS OF COMMISSION AND STAFF, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SO THEY CAN LEAVE AND, AND HANDLE THIS, LEARN THE LESSON, AND THEN THEY GET TO THE BIG HOUSE. 
          I, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          ASSUMING THAT WE LOOK AT THE COMMENTS THAT MR. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MADE AND AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ AND, AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IS IT FEASIBLE TO PUT A TIMELINE ON I IF YOU WERE GONNA REQUIRE HIM TO REPLACE THAT SIDING OR COVER IT WITH LEFTOVER MATERIAL THAT MAYBE CAME FROM THE BIG HOUSE AND THEN MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GIVE HIM, WHAT, 12 MONTHS OR HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER TIME PERIOD WE CAN ADD TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS SO THAT HE CAN JUST COVER IT, NOT EVEN TAKE IT OFF, JUST COVER IT. 
          THAT MAKES HIS WALL MUCH MORE STURDIER. 
          IT MAKES HIS, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERMAL PROPERTIES A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          UH, SO PUTTING A TIMELINE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THAT FEASIBLE. 
          PUT ORIGINAL INSULATION STAFF, SO THERE'S NO TIMELINE NECESSARY. 
          WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE TO RELEASE A C F A IS DOCUMENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT SHOWS THAT THEY INTEND TO MEET THE STIPULATIONS PRESENTED BY STAFF CFAS, UM, ARE APPLICABLE FOR SIX MONTHS, AND THEN THEY CAN REAPPLY. 
          AND AS LONG AS THIS, EXCUSE ME, THE SCOPE OF WORK HASN'T CHANGED, WE CAN REISSUE THAT C F A, SO THERE'S NO LIKE, TIMELINE NECESSARY. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY SASH, YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A WOOD SASH ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE, OF THE WINDOW, RIGHT? NOT TAKING THE WINDOW OUT OR ANYTHING? NO. 
          TAKING THE, THE, THE WINDOW PRODUCT TO CONFORM TO GUIDELINES SHOULD BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD SASH. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          WELL, I WAS GOING TO ATTEMPT TO MAKE A, UM, A MOTION HERE BECAUSE I, I THINK STAFF'S COMMENTS ARE, ARE REALLY, UH, RIGHT ON, ON THIS. 
          AND, BUT I, I, I DO THINK IF, UM, IF THE PROJECT IS AT A POINT WHERE THE BUILDING IS DRIED IN AND STABLE, I WOULD, UM, LOWER IT ON THE PRIORITIES AND GET FOCUSED ON THE MAIN HOUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR BOTTOMLESS PIT OF, OF MONEY EXPENDITURE. 
          UM, AND, BUT STILL TRY TO IMPLEMENT THESE THINGS WHEN, WHEN YOU GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, STAFF IS RIGHT ABOUT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? WILL WE BE ABLE TO DIS LET HIM KNOW THAT HE CAN USE THE REMAINING 
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SIDING FROM THE MAIN HOUSE TO TRY AND AUGMENT? UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK, UH, BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH CLOSING IN THE MAIN HOUSE, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LEFTOVER PRO UH, MATERIALS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          UM, AND SO JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT, I THINK WE JUST WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE TODAY FOR THE CASITA. 
          BUT LET'S GO AND DO THE MAIN HOUSE, RIGHT? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I LOVE THE POINT THAT YOU TOUCHED ON ABOUT, YOU KNOW, USING THIS LITTLE CASITA AS A LEARNING LESSON. 
          THAT'S ABSOLUTELY WHAT IT WAS. 
          AND WE TOOK EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE LEARNED FROM THERE, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEGAN IMPLEMENTING IT WITH THE BIG HOUSE. 
          UM, WE'RE MOSTLY JUST TRYING TO REPLACE A REPAIR AS, AS, UH, WE CAN, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS CLOSELY AS, AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO TO POINT ON WITH THE SIDING OF WHAT, UM, YOU MENTIONED WITH THE MAIN HOUSE HAVING SOME SIDING POTENTIALLY LEFT OVER IS, UM, THE SIDING THAT WE'RE, THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE, UH, PHOTO OF THE MAIN HOUSE CAN BE PULLED UP, UM, AND THEN COMPARED TO THE CASITA IN ITS, UM, ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, UM, IS THAT THE, THE WOOD SIDING ON THE CASITA IS DIFFERENT FROM THE, UH, MAIN HOUSE, UM, IN SIZE AND, UM, IN, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW SOME PORTIONS WHERE THERE WAS, THERE WAS THE SAME. 
          YEAH, THERE'S THE SAME YES. 
          WATERFALL. 
          CAN WE GO TO, UH, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, IT'S, UM, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SIGHTINGS, ONE ON THE MAIN HOUSE, AND THEN THE MAIN HOUSE ADDITION, PERHAPS THE MAIN HOUSE ADDITION SIDING MATCHED WHAT WAS ON THE CASITA, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YES. 
          UM, THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THAT'S AN EXTENSION THAT WAS ADDED ON, THAT'S AN EXTENSION THAT WAS ADDED ONTO THE HOUSE, UM, BY THE PREVIOUS OWNERS. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY, UM, WALL IN THE ENTIRE HOME THAT HAS THAT PARTICULAR SIDING. 
          UM, AND THAT WOOD WAS ROTTED. 
          UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY MATCH THE, I'M, I'M SORRY, YOU DIDN'T SAY MATCH, BUT YOU SAID USE THE LEFTOVER SIDING. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, CONSTRUCTING THE HOUSE ONLY WHERE IT'S NEEDED. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE REPAIRING THE SIDING TO, TO MATCH EXACTLY WHAT IS IN PLACE. 
          UM, BUT WHATEVER'S LEFT OVER WITH THAT. 
          ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT WOULD SUFFICE FOR THE CASITA, GIVEN THAT IT IS, IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S ABOUT LIKE SIX INCHES, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, TO THOSE PIECES. 
          UM, LIKE YOU SAID, I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE LEAVING THE, THE LITTLE HOUSE PROJECT FOR THE END WHEN WE FINISH, UH, REMODELING THE, THE BEER HOUSE, UM, THOSE WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, UH, THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE MODERN. 
          UH, WE PUT, UH, THE WINDOWS LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE. 
          THE SAME ONES WORK ON THE, THE MAIN HOUSE, I BELIEVE. 
          HAVE YOU SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR THAT WORK? UM, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT ONE STEP AT A TIME. 
          SO WE DID THE ROOF. 
          UM, WE HAVE FOUNDATION ROOF, UH, WINDOWS AND SIDING SO FAR. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE ONLY THING I THINK THAT WE'RE PENDING, UM, TO WORK ON FOR THE MAIN HOUSE IS THE PORCH AND THEN THE PAINT. 
          I BELIEVE WE NEED A C O A FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ABOUT IT. 
          UM, SO AS FAR AS THE CASITA GOES, UM, UNLESS THERE IS A TIMELINE GIVEN TO US, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED, EXERT MOST OF OUR RESOURCES TO THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT TO, UM, TO FOLLOW YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CASITA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU THAT CLAUDIA, 
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CLAUDIA, UH, PAY A VISIT, UH, BECAUSE, AND TELL, SHE TOLD US ABOUT THE MISTAKES BECAUSE THIS PERSON, UM, WELL SHE RIPS OFF. 
          I TOOK OVER THE PROJECT AND WE'VE BEEN DOING INVESTIGATIONS, UM, UH, SINCE I TOOK COVER THIS JOB. 
          WE HAVE PERMITS FOR EVERYTHING. 
          I BELIEVE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING VERY WELL UNTIL, AND WE HOPE THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE DO, DOES APPROVE US UNTIL WE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH A SMALL HOUSE, 'CAUSE IT HAD A PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING WE GOT STUCK WITH IT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SABINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES? AYE. 
          MAZUA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, JUST CONTINUE WORKING WITH STAFF ON REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MAIN HOUSE, WHETHER IT'S AN, AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OR WHETHER YOU NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ANYTHING. 
          AND THEN, UH, STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU ON, UH, WHAT WAS DECIDED TODAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THIS WILL BE AMAZING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO ALL OF YOU. 
          UH, WE'RE WORKING, UH, VERY HARD IN THIS PROJECT SO YOU CAN LOOK PRETTY AND I HOPE WE, WE DON'T LET YOU DOWN. 
          BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 78 2 45 WEST WILDWOOD. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE APPLICANT TO JOIN VIRTUALLY, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK CHELSEA MCGOVERN HAS JOINED US YET. 
          NOT YET, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PROCEED, MR. CHAIR? WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR THIS CASE. 
          OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 13. 
          AND IF WE GET, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR WILDWOOD, WE'LL COME BACK TO HER AGENDA. 
          ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 83 1 19 EAST MAGNOLIA, I BELIEVE WE'RE ALSO WAITING ON THE APPLICANT, DUSTIN O'CONNOR TO JOIN. 
          OKAY, NO, DUSTIN. 
          HOW ABOUT, UH, AGENDA ITEM 14. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C. 
          CASE NUMBER OH, APOLOGIES. 
          ITEM 14 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 0 8 4 14 EAST MULBERRY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE ENC, CLOSE THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH WITH SCREENING TWO, INSTALL THREE DOOR AWNINGS. 
          THREE, INSTALL CAUSTIC TILE AT THE PORCH, AND FOUR, REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ENCLOSING THE FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE AWNING INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FULL MEASURED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PORCH TILE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING D. 
          ITEM FOUR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL AND DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS FOR A DOOR THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE STRUCTURE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, CURTIS WHITE, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          MR. WHITE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO RACHEL HAS YOUR EXHIBITS UP ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WANNA JUST WALK COMMISSIONERS THROUGH YOUR PROPOSAL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE, LET'S GO WITH THE, WITH THE DOOR. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A SOLID WOOD DOOR, BUT IT'S, UH, CIRCA 1973 PANELS AT AN OBLIQUE ANGLE. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE 
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WISHING TO DO IS TO MOVE TOWARD MORE WHAT'S AT THE RIGHT, UM, PROBABLY WITH THREE, THREE LIGHTS INSTEAD OF THE, UM, UH, STAINED GLASS, BUT THE THREE WOOD PANELS, THE SOLID WOOD DOOR, UM, LITTLE BIT SIMPLER TRIM THAT WOULD MATCH THE, THE HOUSE STRUCTURE, UM, EXISTING HOUSE STRUCTURE, UM, BETTER. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH, UH, SUBMITTING, SUBMITTING PLANS ONCE WE, WE GO TO THE, UH, MANUFACTURER. 
          SO, UM, WE PROBABLY WILL GO TO THE SAME PERSON THAT THAT DID THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS, UM, ANOTHER HOUSE THAT, THAT WE HAVE DONE PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO HE, HE DOES LOCAL, HE'S LOCAL AND, AND DOES, KNOWS ABOUT HIS HISTORIC HOUSES AND REPAIRS, A LOT OF, UM, DAMAGED DOORS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THE, ON THE SCREEN PORCHED, UH, WE DID A, UH, MASTER PLAN IN 2008, 2009, WHERE WE, UM, REQUESTED ESSENTIALLY FLOOR TO CEILING, UM, PANELS SIMILAR TO SOME YOU SEE IN, IN, IN THE CITY. 
          BUT THE RECOMMENDATION THERE WAS TO COME BACK AND, UH, USE A HANDRAIL OR A SOLID SHORT RAIL OR A SHORT WALL, UM, AND THEN SCREEN IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE A SLEEPING PORCH OR A FRONT PORCH THAT, THAT WAS SCREENED IN. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY I WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT DOWN THERE 'CAUSE MY, UH, TRUCK DIED IN THE DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD HAVE, I HAVE THOSE DRAWINGS IF, IF NEED BE. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE WOULD USE IS AN EXISTING, UM, SCREEN DOOR THAT WAS ACTUALLY COMES OFF THE, UM, THE, ONE OF THE DOORS THAT WAS IN THE, IN THE PORCH. 
          THERE'S TWO FIVE LIGHT OR 15 LIGHT, UM, DOORS ON THAT, ON THAT PORCH. 
          UH, THE TILE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE NOT TO USE THE TILE. 
          THE CEMENT FLOOR IS DAMAGED, UM, AND IS OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT SURFACES. 
          SOME OF IT'S, UM, HIGHLY POLISHED AND SOME OF IT IS, IS ACTUALLY BEEN DAMAGED BY WEATHER. 
          AND ONE CASE IT'S BEEN REPAIRED, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS A STORM DRAIN OR SOMETHING GOING DOWN THROUGH IT THAT, UH, WAS REPAIRED IN THE PAST. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT PORTION WE CAN'T LIVE. 
          THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS, UM, I'VE GOT TO DO SOME ENCLOSURE THERE OR RAILING BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU NOTICE IT'S APPROXIMATELY A THREE FOOT FALL OFF OF THAT PORCH ONTO CEMENT OR THAT, OR THE FRONT STAIRS, UM, OR YOU FALL OFF THE BACK. 
          BUT, UM, THERE, THERE IS A, AN EXISTING WROUGHT IRON RAIL THERE THAT, UM, IS IN FAIR SHAPE. 
          BUT, UM, AND THEN SO THE PROBLEM I WOULD HAVE IS I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY TO CURRENT CODE, WHICH MAKES THAT A FOUR FOOT HIGH RAIL, WHICH WOULD LOOK, UM, I THINK OBVIOUS THAT IT WAS DONE NOW VERSUS IN THE PAST. 
          BECAUSE WHAT'S NOT SHOWN IN THIS PICTURE IS THE HOUSE JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POD THERE ABOUT 50 FEET AWAY IS GOT THE CONVENTIONAL GRANDFATHERED ORIGINAL, UM, HANDRAILS AND THINGS. 
          SO THE HEIGHTS WOULD LOOK, LOOK DIFFERENT. 
          UM, AND SO I NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING. 
          UM, THE THOUGHT WAS THAT BY, BY DOING THE SCREENING, WE NOT ONLY CAN USE THAT PORCH, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS RELATIVELY UNUSABLE BECAUSE OF THE MOSQUITOES AND, AND THE LIKE, AND THE OTHER IS, UM, WITHOUT IT BEING ENCLOSED, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS THINGS STOLEN FROM IT. 
          I MEAN, ALL THE PATIO FURNITURE THAT WE'VE HAD OUT THERE HAS BEEN STOLEN AT LEAST TWICE, UM, SINCE IT'S, IT'S ON MULBERRY, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BLOCK TO 2 81 AND THEY'RE GONE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE. 
          SO, UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ONE WOULD BE IF IT'S A SHORT WALL, USE THE EXISTING SIDING SO IT, IT, AND, AND PUT IN THE LITTLE, UM, IN THE LOWER SECTION THERE'S USUALLY A, THE LITTLE DRAIN PORCH DRAIN, WE CAN PUT THOSE IN IN PLACE SO IT LOOKS ARCHITECTURALLY 
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THE SAME, UM, AS TO WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE AS A PORCH OR IF IT'S A RAILING THEN, THEN WE WOULD USE PROBABLY A SQUARE POST RAILING, UM, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, AS FAR AS I CAN DETERMINE, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A RAILING ON THERE, UM, ON THAT SECTION FOR, FOR SOME ODD REASON. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S MAINLY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER IS, I THINK IT ALSO WOULD SQUARE THE HOUSE UP AS THE HOUSE PROPER NOW THAT THERE'S THAT EXISTING CARPORT THERE. 
          WITHOUT THE CARPORT, IT, IT WOULD LOOK MORE, IT WOULD LOOK EITHER WELL EITHER WAY, BUT WITH THAT CARPORT ON IT, IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S A HUGE CHUNK TAKEN OUTTA THE FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE SOFTENED BY, BY SCREENING. 
          AND THE SCREENING MATERIAL WOULD BE BRASS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE USING FOR ALL THE SCREENING. 
          UM, ON THE HOUSE IS BRASS WIRE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YEAH, MR. MR. CHAIR? UM, I THINK HE'S BROUGHT UP SOME PRETTY VALID POINTS. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, A SCREEN PORCH OR A SCREENED IN AREA THERE THAT'S NOT PERMANENT, THAT CAN EASILY BE REMOVED TO RESTORE THE HOUSE TO ITS ORIGINAL STA STATURE OR SOMETHING THAT CAN PROBABLY GET, GET LOOKED AT. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO ENTERTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S A REASONABLE THING TO DO, UM, FOR SURE. 
          UM, MAKE IT A, A REMOVABLE PANELS OR SECTIONS. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO THE, THE WAY THE COLUMN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN ATTACH INTO THE COLUMNS, UM, THAT WAY. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. 
          MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH. 
          UM, BUILDING ON THAT IDEA, THAT THOUGHT, UM, UH, I WONDER WOULD YOU ALSO BE, UH, OPEN TO NOT USING THE T ONE 17 SIDING THAT MATCHES THE HOUSE, BUT RATHER A FLAT, A PLAIN, FLAT BOARD TO FURTHER TO FURTHER DISTINGUISH THAT THIS IS INFILL? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, I'M ASSUMING THE SAME PATTERN, UH, WILL BE APPLIED TO THE SIDE OF THE PORCH, CORRECT? MR. WHITE, I MUTED YOU. 
          WE WERE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO UNMUTE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THAT, UM, IT'S A THREE-SIDED PORCH. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A BACKSIDE IN, IN THE CARPORT SIDE, UM, USING A DIFFERENT MATERIAL. 
          YES, WE'RE OPEN TO, TO WHATEVER IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          UM, OR, YOU KNOW, SO, SO IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, WE COULD USE, UM, DO YOU STILL WANT IT TO BE ONE OF THE PERIOD SIGHTINGS? WELL, UH, THAT WAS JUST A QUICK THOUGHT THAT I HAD AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MY OTHER, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT INFILL. 
          BUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD, UH, BETTER RENDER IT AS AN ADDITIVE ELEMENT OR IT'S INFILL. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE PUTTING THIS SAME APPLICATION OF MATERIAL ON ALL THREE SIDES AND THEN YES, WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO ALL THREE SIDES THE SAME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY FINAL REQUEST IS THAT, UM, IN ADDITION TO MAKING THE INFILL PANEL LOOK LIKE INFILL, SET IT BACK ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE COLUMN, JUST EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE IT LOOK, TO MAKE IT READ AS IF THIS IS A PORCH, AN OPEN AIR PORCH THAT'S HAS MINOR INFILL WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S DOABLE. 
          THOSE ARE 10 INCH COLUMNS. 
          WE CAN MOVE IT BACK AS, AS FAR AS WE CAN. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THE COLUMNS ON THE LEFT ARE, UM, TRAPEZOIDAL, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HIT THE, THE EDGES SO IT LOOKS, LOOKS APPROPRIATE ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A DOOR ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT WE, I DON'T THINK WE'LL IMPACT THAT. 
          SO YEAH, WE WOULD, WE CAN MAKE IT OFF INSET. 
          UM, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE. 
          AND THAT WOULD, WOULD GIVE IT A, A, A DIFFERENT LOOK OR, YOU KNOW, AN INFILL LOOK, SO THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UM, THOSE 
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COMMENTS THAT, UH, INFILLING AND AWNING HERE, UH, SET BACK FROM THE FACADE LINES IN THE COLUMN LINES TO, TO MM-HMM. 
           TO INDICATE THAT IT IS AN INFILL, UH, NOT USING THE HISTORIC SIDING ON THE LOWER PORTION, WHETHER IT'S A FLAT PANEL OR A RAILING, UH, SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE, UM, YOU HAD SUBMITTED SOME SUPPLEMENTAL PHOTOS OF OTHER SCREENED IN PORCHES WHERE THEY'VE GOT HORIZONTAL RAILINGS, UM, IN LIEU OF SOLID PANELS ON THAT LOWER SECTION. 
          UM, I THINK I COULD, UH, GET BEHIND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S, SO THE, THE, THE IDEA IS, IS TO, UM, MAKE IT LOOK DIFFERENT BUT NOT MODERN, DIFFERENT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S BEEN ADDED. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THOSE ARE ALL DOABLE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS GET WHAT IS THE RIGHT, UM, LOOK, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR WHAT THAT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          NOW, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, THIS IDEA OF REVERSIBILITY AND WHERE PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, TELL PRETTY READILY WHAT THE STORY OF THE HOUSE IS. 
          THAT IS A PORCH THAT'S BEEN CAPTURED AS A, AS A SCREENED IN AREA, AND IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD, GIVEN THE FEROCIOUS OF OUR MOSQUITOES HERE. 
          , MY QUESTIONS, UH, THOUGH ARE ABOUT THE, THE DOOR REPLACEMENT. 
          YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT DOOR THERE, THAT THE RIGHT DOOR WAS KIND OF MORE WHAT YOU WERE HEADED TOWARDS, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LAMINATED DOOR? UM, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUR THOUGHT WAS, WAS SOMETHING THAT IT WAS MORE OF A THREE WAS A THREE PANEL WOOD DOOR, AND THEN, UM, UH, PROBABLY THREE, YOU KNOW, THREE SAY BEVELED GLASS ON TOP OF THE, UM, WHERE THE STAINED GLASS IS ON THE RIGHT, THAT WOULD THEN BE MORE SQUARED UP. 
          UM, HAVE A HORIZONTAL RAIL AND, AND THE, YEAH. 
          AND WOULD YOU RETAIN THE, UH, THE SURROUNDING TRIM, THE EXTERIOR TRIM OF THE DOOR? WOULD THAT ALL STAY IN PLACE? UM, YES, IT COULD. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I SAY AT LEAST WOULD NEED TO BE SIMPLIFIED AND, AND PROBABLY FLAT, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE THAT WOULD, WOULD BE A, UM, WHERE WE'D GO. 
          I GUESS WHAT TO CLARIFY IS THERE'S, THERE'S EXISTING TRIM AROUND THAT DOOR, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND YES. 
          AND WOULD THAT REMAIN IN PLACE? YES, WE COULD KEEP THAT IN PLACE, YEAH. 
          'CAUSE I, I, I THINK TO GO TO SOMETHING, UH, LIKE WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGH STYLED AND, UH, YES, NOT QUITE IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR HOUSE, BUT AS YOU DESCRIBED SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE A THREE PANEL WITH THREE, YOU KNOW, UH, RECTANGULAR LIGHTS ABOVE, UM, THAT BEGINS AND, AND IF YOU RETAIN THE, THE FLAT TRIM AROUND IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS THE THOUGHT THAT THE, THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT IS, IS A DIFFERENT CLASS DOOR, YOU KNOW, THAN, THAN WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, THE, UH, MULBERRY HOUSE. 
          UM, SO YES, WE WOULD KEEP IT. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAY IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IN THE SENSE THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE, THE OVAL. 
          IT WOULD BE A, LIKE A CRAFTSMAN THAT WOULD HAVE A HORIZONTAL BAR PROBABLY IN, IN THE THREE, THREE LIGHTS OR SO RECTANGULAR WINDOWS AT THE TOP. 
          GREAT. 
          WELL, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS HERE THAT I THINK YOU'LL NEED TO FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF WITH SOME SKETCHES AND DRAWINGS TO, JUST TO CLARIFY. 
          BUT IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL ATTEMPT A MOTION. 
          UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE, UH, INFILL SCREEN PORCH BE DONE IN AS REVERSIBLE A MANNER AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND THAT IT BE SET BACK IN PLAIN, UH, UH, EITHER BEHIND THE COLUMNS OR TOWARDS THE, THE BACK, UH, FACE OF THE COLUMNS THAT BE, UH, PARTIALLY INFILLED WITH EITHER FLAT PANEL OR A UH, HANDRAIL AND WITH THE BRASS SCREENS AS SUGGESTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM UH, TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM, UM, NO, SORRY. 
          UH, FOR ITEM THREE, GO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS NOT TO RECOMMEND. 
          AND FOR ITEM FOUR, MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT FOLLOW UP WITH THE DRAWING 
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FOR STAFF REVIEW, UH, TO ENSURE THAT THE, UH, REPLACEMENT DOOR IS CONDUCIVE TO THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. 
          I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALE? AYE. 
          MASUKA CARPENTER? AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, RACHEL, I THINK WE CAN GO BACK TO ITEM 12. 
          GREAT. 
          AGENDA ITEM 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 7 8 2 45 WEST WILDWOOD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 400 SQUARE FOOT, ONE STORY REAR EDITION TO MODIFY THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          THREE. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AND FOUR, REPLACE THE EXISTING FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH CONCRETE PAVERS. 
          ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIES THE ADDITION TO FEATURE AN INSET OF AT LEAST ONE FOOT TO DIS TO DISTINGUISH THE ADDITION FROM THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING E TWO THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM ON THE EAST ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING G, THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY EXTRUDING THE RIDGE OF THE EXISTING REAR GABLE. 
          THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS AS NOTED IN FINDING J AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FRONT PORCH FENESTRATION MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED DOOR TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, AS ENTERED IN FINDING M. 
          ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACES THE FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS EXISTING. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE GRAVEL TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          THE GRAVEL SHOULD FEATURE A NATURAL COLOR SHADOW STONE IS NOT PERMITTED. 
          AND THE APPLICANT CHELSEA MCGOVERN IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          MS. MCGOVERN, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE CHELSEA. 
          IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, MRS. MCGOVERN, ARE YOU SHE IS WITH US. 
          UH, WE HAD YOU FOR A SECOND UNMUTE. 
          HELLO? HELLO? YES. 
          HI. 
          HI. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          SO I JUST HEARD, I THINK IT WAS RACHEL THAT INTRODUCED EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO DO. 
          SO WE, SO DO YOU, DO YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I DO, YEAH. 
          I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, I THINK TWICE BEFORE WITH MY CRAZY DESIGNS AND I'M FINALLY PARING IT DOWN. 
          ? YES, I REMEMBER THIS AND I REMEMBER YOUR CASE AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO, UH, STAFF COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONS. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES SIR. 
          UM, IF, IF THE APPLICANT IS, UM, SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND IF NO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE DIDN'T HEAR, BUT ITEM NUMBER'S NOT APPROVED. 
          HOLD ON. 
          WHICH ONE WAS IT? UH, NUMBER TWO. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT CLEAR TO HER? ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, THE DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THAT REPLACEMENT IS WITH GRAVEL IN LIEU OF THE PAVERS. 
          YEAH, WE ARE UNDERSTANDING 
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OF THAT AND UM, I WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO GET APPROVAL FOR WHATEVER, UH, MATERIAL THEY WILL APPROVE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS FOR CO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, AND THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PLANS AND COMING BACK, UH, IN WORKING WITH YOU ON FINALS. 
          SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES? AYE. 
          MASUKA CARPENTER AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MCGOVERN. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK Y'ALL. 
          DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR AGENDA ITEM 13? NO, WE DON'T. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, I BELIEVE THIS IS 15 ITEM 1515. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 84 12 23 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A SIX FOOT CEDAR PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE REAR INSIDES OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THIS IS AT THE RIGHT OF WAY ON MADISON, THE APPLICANT, UH, DANIEL CRUZ, I BELIEVE IS JOINING US, UM, IN PERSON OR IS HE ON VIRTUALLY? HE'S ON VIRTUALLY. 
          UM, DID YOU READ A RECOMMENDATION? THANKS COREY. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING. 
          B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE OR EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS TO MEET THE GUIDELINES FOR FRONT YARD FENCES ON MADISON STREET. 
          UH, DANIEL, IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO YOUR CASE AT THIS TIME, GO AHEAD. 
          HI, YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          AWESOME. 
          ALRIGHT, GUYS. 
          UM, WELL, THIS, UH, PROJECT IS A LITTLE UNIQUE AS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, STATED THAT THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED TO SOUTH ALAMO AND NOT MADISON STREET. 
          UM, OUR OFFICE DOES AGREE THAT THE PRIVACY FENCES SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN FRONT YARDS. 
          HOWEVER, ARGU OUR ARGUMENT HERE IS THAT TECHNICALLY THIS IS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF YOU REFER TO THE IMAGES PROVIDED, YOU WILL OBSERVE THAT THE FRONT FACADE IS LOCATED ON SOUTH ALAMO. 
          THAT IMAGE RIGHT THERE, UM, WITH THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE FACING MADISON, THAT IS THE, THE REAR OF THE, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE ON MADISON STREET. 
          THAT STRUCTURE ITSELF IS AROUND 96 FEET FROM MADISON STREET, UH, FROM, FROM THE ROAD TO THE HOUSE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME, UH, FEELINGS IN REGARDS TO, UH, WHAT STAFF IS REC OR, YOU KNOW, DISAGREEING WITH, UM, OBVIOUSLY STAFF. 
          IS COMMENT, IS THAT PROPOSED THAT THE PROPOSED WILL CREATE A PRIVACY FENCE CONDITION IN A PREDOMINANTLY FRONT YARD SETTING? UH, I FIND THAT QUESTIONABLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT, AT WHAT POINT ARE WE ALLOWED TO OPPOSE THAT STATEMENT? FOR EXAMPLE, HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, IF OUR CLIENT WANTS TO PROPOSE A WEIRD ADDITION AT THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, HOW, HOW WOULD WE MEET HISTORIC GUIDELINES? UM, IF STAFF IS CONSIDERING, UH, IF CONSIDERING A FRONT YARD SETTING, UM, IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE STRUCTURE IS, IS ASSOCIATED WITH SOUTH ALAMO, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT BE LOST. 
          UM, OUR, OUR CLIENT UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WILLING TO KEEP THE THREE FOOT STEEL FENCE ON THE MADISON STREET SIDE, UM, AND PUSH THESE SIX FOOT FENCE, UH, 15 BACK TO HELP THE OVERALL PRESENCE, UM, FOR MADISON STREET. 
          UM, WE DON'T REALLY THINK OUR CLIENTS SHOULD HAVE TO SACRIFICE PRIVACY AND SAFETY, UH, WITH WHAT IS TECHNICALLY THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY AND IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED HISTORIC. 
          WE HAVE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. 
          SO, SO IS IS, I HAVE A MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, SORRY. 
          WE, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL AND OPPOSITION. 
          YEAH, LET'S GET A VOICEMAIL PLEASE. 
          THIS IS LISA LIND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 24 1 2 2 3 SOUTH ALAMO STREET. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. 
          [03:00:02]
A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE ALONG MADISON STREET IS NOT APPROPRIATE AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. 
          WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO RECONSIDER THE NEED FOR THIS FENCE AND CONSULT WITH THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ABOUT ALTERNATIVES THAT INCLUDE LANDSCAPE PLANTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND THEN ONE FOR STAFF. 
          SIR, IS THE CONCERN, SECURITY OR PRIVACY FOR YOU BOTH. 
          UM, OUR CLIENT HAS EXPRESSED, UH, EXTENSIVELY THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, THEY WANT TO HAVE A PRIVATE SETTING FOR THEIR BACKYARD OR WHAT THEY CONSIDER THEIR BACKYARD, UM, AS WELL AS SECURITY. 
          IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          AND STEPH, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE GUIDELINES SAY FOR A BACKYARD FENCING FOR REAR YARD FENCING? IT IS, UM, A SIX FOOT HEIGHT. 
          HOWEVER, UH, MADISON IS CONSIDERED A FRONT. 
          UH, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES ON MADISON THAT ARE, IT'S THE FRONT YARD, SO THIS ONE'S KIND OF A UNIQUE ORIENTATION. 
          UM, SO THE RIGHT OF WAY ON MADISON IS THE REASONING FOR THE FOUR FOOT STIPULATION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I NEED A LITTLE FURTHER CLARIFICATION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          M FROM, FROM LOOKING AT THE, AT THE PROPERTY, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PROPERTIES, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ONE, RIGHT? IT'S A, IT'S A PROPERTY ADDRESSED ON MADISON AND IT'S A PROPERTY ADDRESSED ON ALAMO. 
          SO IT'S TWO PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN LEGALLY JOINED. 
          RIGHT. 
          IN REALITY, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ALL ALAMO STREET THERE. 
          THERE'S, IT'S GOT TWO ADDRESSES. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE OTHER PROPERTY THAT HAS FRONT EDGE ON BOTH STREETS. 
          IT DOES HAPPEN FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          NO, BUT, BUT THIS ACTUAL PROPERTY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. 
          OH YEAH, I SEE ANOTHER NUMBER ON THERE. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT CAN VERIFY IF THERE'S A SEPARATE ADDRESS FOR MEDICINE TIED TO THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY DOCUMENTATION OF THAT WHEN THE, THE PROPERTY WAS RECENTLY PURCHASED. 
          UH, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT MORE, BUT WHAT, WHAT WE WERE PROVIDED THE LEGAL SURVEY AND THE, THE, THE CLOSING DOCUMENTS ALL STATE 1, 2, 2 3 SOUTH ALAMO, AND, UH, WITH THE LEGAL SURVEY, IT ACTUALLY DEPICTS WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IN OUR SITE PLAN. 
          UM, SO WE, WE ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS PROPERTY IS IN FACT, UH, THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, 1 2, 2 3 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          BUT MR. CHAIR, LOOK, LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, AT THE, UM, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THEY, THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS AND THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF WHAT'S AESTHETICALLY ACCEPTABLE. 
          LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE IT WAS A MOSS GREEN, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BOARD AND BATTEN STYLE FENCE OR, OR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BEING 15 FEET BEHIND. 
          BUT I THINK THERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION WITH THE OWNER AND THE, AND THE PROPERTY LINES. 
          BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S ONE QUESTION, IF IT'S FIVE 20 MADISON AND THEN ALAMO, THAT'S ONE THAT'S REALLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION. 
          BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S A BACKYARD OF A, OF AN ADDRESS ON ALAMO, THEN IT KIND OF, IT APPLIES A FRONT YARD CONDITIONED TO A REAR YARD, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH SEEMS THAT THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN HAVE ONE. 
          IT BECOMES MORE A QUESTION OF WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          AND AS THE, UM, KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION IS, UM, UH, SUGGESTING AS WELL THAT, I MEAN, IF THEY HAD A SIX FOOT FENCE WITH RED TIP FONTINA PLANTED IN FRONT OF IT, NOBODY WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. 
          BUT, BUT THAT CONDITION WOULD BE REALLY RELEVANT HAVING BEEN, UH, CLARIFIED FOR, UM, THE REAR YARD CONDITION. 
          IF IT'S FIVE 20 MADISON, THEN IT'S A FRONT YARD AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THEY NEVER JOINED THE PROPERTIES. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN REPL JOIN THE PROPERTIES AND THEN YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE BACKYARD. 
          BUT, UM, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE MAPS LINE SEEM TO SHOW IT AS TWO PROPERTIES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WELL, ACTUALLY, I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE B C AD, UH, BEAR COUNTY COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND IT IS ONE PROPERTY, SO WE'LL SEE AS, AS ONE PROPERTY, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S A BACKYARD AND THE BACKYARDS HAVE PARTICULAR RIGHTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          EVEN IN A HISTORIC, UH, CONTEXT. 
          YES. 
          BUT WE LOOK AT EVERY CASE INDIVIDUALLY AND THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES ON MADISON ARE ALL FRONT YARDS. 
          SO IT'S LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT 
          [03:05:02]
IN TERMS OF WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT. 
          I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. 
          YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM AN AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE. 
          IT'S LIKE ALL OF THESE CARS ARE PARKED FORWARD, BUT THIS CAR IN THE MIDDLE IS PARKED BACKWARDS, THEREFORE THE BACK OF THE CAR IS THE FRONT OF THE CAR. 
          'CAUSE THE REST OF US ARE THE FRONT OF THE CAR, BUT WE CAN'T ASK THAT CAR TO DRIVE BACKWARDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT SEEMS THAT, THAT THIS IS, THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT REAL PARTICULAR CONDITION OF THE SITUATION, LOOKING AT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS IS THAT THE OTHERS ARE FRONT YARDS. 
          THIS IS THE ANOMALY, IT'S THE REAR YARD. 
          SO ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE, THIS IS SEEMS TO BE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE, THE POSSIBILITY, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, PUTTING THE FED'S 15 FEET BACK, WHAT, WHAT OTHER AESTHETIC SOLUTIONS ARE, ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM SO THAT THEY DON'T LIVE IN A QUASI CONDITION OF TWO FRONT YARDS WHERE THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO, NO FREEDOM. 
          I MEAN, JUST LOOKING, JUST LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT IT ON A STREETSCAPE ONLINE, IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING INTO SOMEBODY'S BEDROOM. 
          UH, WELL A QUESTION FOR MR. CRUZ, UH, ON THIS IMAGE WE HAVE HERE, I THINK IT'S FROM GOOGLE, UH, THE 15 FOOT, WHERE DOES IT FALL IN RELATION TO THAT SOLID FENCE TO THE LEFT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? SO WE, UH, SO OUR SITE PLAN WAS, UH, SO WE, WHAT MY STATEMENT THAT I MADE ABOUT THE 15TH FOOT BACK IS ACTUALLY GONNA PUT US RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT FENCE. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, SORRY, THAT TREE, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, SORRY, THE, THE, THE GOOGLE IMAGE YOU HAD, UM, THAT TREE THAT YOU'RE POINTING AT AT THE MOMENT WILL BE, IT'LL BE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THAT. 
          SO IT'LL BE ALMOST IN LINE WITH THAT SOLID FENCE TO YOUR LEFT. 
          UM, AS WE'RE NOW, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT OBVIOUSLY WE, WE ARE CONSIDERING THIS A UNIQUE SITUATION IN WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE THE TWO FRONT YARD SITUATION. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, WE ACTUALLY DID SOME DIGGING IN THE SAND BOARD MAPS, UH, TO, TO GET SOME IDEAS. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WORKED ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR THAT WE WENT ON THE LEFT WITH THAT SOLID FENCE. 
          UM, THEY, THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY WAS ORIGINALLY ROTATED. 
          IT'S BEEN ROTATED, I BELIEVE, UH, TO FACE MADISON STREET. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS OUR CASE OR NOT, BUT, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY ALWAYS, UH, DEPICTED ON THE SAND BOARD MAPS TO BE A SOUTH ALAMO, UH, HOUSE. 
          UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE AT ONE POINT THE HOUSE WAS ACTUALLY ROTATED 180 DEGREES TO MADISON STREET. 
          UH, SO IT'S A VERY INTERESTING SITUATION. 
          SO WE WERE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          SO THAT 15 FOOT MARK WOULD BE JUST IN FRONT OF THAT, THAT TREE THAT YOU WERE POINTING AT EARLIER? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT THE EXISTING SOLID FENCE, HOW TALL IS IT? UH, THAT ONE THERE, I BELIEVE IN THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION IS JUST OVER FOUR FEET. 
          UM, SO YOU, WHICH WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING, UH, SOLID FENCE, WHICH CORRECT VARIES IN HEIGHT FROM FOUR FOOT OUT TOWARDS MADISON. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT GETS A LITTLE TALLER, UH, AS YOU GET FURTHER INTO THE SITE. 
          SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THAT WITH A NEW SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, I JUST HAVE SOME BRIEF COMMENTS. 
          I, UM, I TEND TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE LEGAL SITUATION AND HOW THE, ALSO HOW THE APPLICANT LOOKS AT THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, THE FACT THAT THE CITY LISTS THIS AS A SEPARATE PROPERTY IS REALLY IMPORTANT ON BEHEAD. 
          THEY MAY HAVE, THEY'LL, UM, THEY'LL AGGREGATE YOUR PROPERTY WHEN YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOTS INTO ONE PARCEL. 
          AND BECAUSE IT HELPS WITH THE TAXES, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ANOTHER, UM, PROPERTY THAT HAD THIS EXACT SAME SITUATION. 
          AND THE SOLUTION WAS A FOUR FOOT OPEN FENCE. 
          IT WAS A GARDEN LOOP, UM, ON THE FOUR FOOT GARDEN LOOP ON ONE STREET AND THREE FEET ON THE FRONTAGE. 
          UM, BECAUSE IN PART IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE STREET EXPERIENCE AND THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, OF HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ALSO HAS TO BE CONSIDERED, UM, THE FACT THAT YES, IN THIS PHOTO HERE WE SEE A MAILBOX AND A GATE, UM, TELLS US A LOT ABOUT THE USAGE ALSO. 
          SO MY TENDENCY IS TO, UM, NOT TREAT THIS STRICTLY AS A REAR PROPERTY LINE WITH ALL THE STRICT, UM, UM, DESCRIPTIONS OR THINGS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT. 
          THIS PROPERTY AS ACQUIRED HAS A DISTINCT PRESENCE ON MADISON JUST AS IT DOES ON ALAMO. 
          SO THE CHALLENGE IS HOW DO YOU ADAPT THOSE? SO LANDSCAPING COULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION. 
          WELL, ONE OPTION IS 
          [03:10:01]
TO IDENTIFY THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE MADISON PROPERTY AND THE ALAMO PROPERTY AND SET THE QUOTE UNQUOTE BACKYARD FENCE AT THAT PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE FURTHER BACK THAN THE 15 FEET FROM MADISON. 
          I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT STATEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW MM-HMM. 
          , IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS, A 1223 SOUTH ALAMO AND A FIVE 20 MADISON. 
          IF, UH, IF THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARCELS IS IDENTIFIED, THAT MIGHT BE A LOCATION TO SET A, THE SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT FINDING THAT THAT DOCUMENTATION IS THAT SOMETHING STAFF COULD HELP IDENTIFY WITH? IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT A SINGLE PARCEL HAS TWO ADDRESSES. 
          LIKE IF THERE WAS EVER ACCESS TO A REAR APARTMENT OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR THE OTHER ADDRESS, NOT NECESSARILY THE PRESENCE OF TWO PROPERTIES. 
          MR. CHAIR? IT? YES, SIR. 
          IT JUST, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MAILBOX, IT SAYS MADISON ON IT. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT ISN'T, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE THINGS DIFFICULT FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THE ONLY THING IS THAT HAVING A BACKYARD, HAVING A, HAVING A BACK PROPERTY LINE IS A COMMITMENT. 
          IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES, YOU HAVE TO TAKE 'EM, YOU GET 'EM REPLANTED, AND THEN YOU HAVE LEGALLY A REAR YARD AND YOU HAVE A FRONT YARD. 
          BUT IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT COMMITMENT, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT IT'S NOT TWO FRONT YARDS. 
          AND, AND ACCORDING TO HOW MAIL IS RECEIVED OR, OR, OR THE SAN ANTONIO, I GUESS THE SAN ANTONIO MAPS, NOT THE BEAK AD MAPS, IT'S, IT'S TWO DISTINCT PIECES OF PROPERTY IN, IN WHICH CASE YOU COULD SELL THE PROPERTY AND THAT REMAINS A FRONT YARD. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT UH, I THINK ALL OF THAT REQUIRES SOME DOCUMENTATION, RIGHT? THAT, THAT SOMETHING'S BROUGHT THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS ONE SINGLE ADDRESS, AND THEN FOR THERE IT JUST BECOMES A, A CASE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE LINE BECAUSE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          IT, IT REALLY MORE, UH, UH, IS, HAS AN IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, RIGHT? WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, IF YOU WERE, UH, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE, YOUR FENCE LINE WOULD BEGIN AT THE FACADE OF YOUR HOUSE. 
          SO THAT PUSHES YOU WAY BACK, WAY BEYOND THE 15 FEET, JUST JUST TO, TO HAVE A, A COMMON FENCE LINE PATTERN. 
          AND IF IT'S THE EIGHT 20 OR FIVE 20 MADISON, WE DIDN'T MAKE SENSE OF HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT DOING THAT. 
          UM, BUT, BUT THE WAY THAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS IS AS IF IT'S TWO FRONTS. 
          AND THEN WHAT SUPPORTS IT ARE THE MAILBOX ADDRESSES. 
          SO IT KIND OF CREATES A, A SITUATION. 
          I I THINK THE, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION IS, IS, IS SUGGESTING MIGHT BE A WAY TO ACHIEVE A, A GREAT LEVEL OF, OF PRIVACY IF YOU DO IT THROUGH LANDSCAPING, UM, WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR, UM, WITH THEIR, UM, UM, QUASI APPROVAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT I'M SURE IT WOULD GO VERY FAR HERE AT THE COMMISSION. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT HELPS ANYTHING, BUT IT'S CLOSER TO A KIND OF TRUTHFUL STATEMENT OF THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE AREA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DOES SOMEONE WANT TO ATTEMPT A MOTION? YEAH, I, I THINK GIVEN THE DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A FENCE BE DENIED THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, BE FOLLOWED. 
          UH, I, I'LL SECOND, BUT I'D ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER JIMMY IF HE WOULD CONSIDER, UM, UH, ENABLING THE, THE USE OF LANDSCAPE, UM, UM, SHRUBBERY CONSISTENT WITH THE KING WILLIAMS' RECOMMENDATION. 
          YEAH, I WILL. 
          AMEN. 
          MY, MY, UH, MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE U USE OF SHRUBBERY LANDSCAPING TO GIVE THE PRIVACY REQUIRED OR THE COURT WELL PRIVACY THAT IS WANTED BY THE APPLICANT CONSISTENT WITH, CONSISTENT WITH THE KING WILLIAMS, UH, DISTRICT SECOND. 
          CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. 
          UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THE, THE THE SIX FOOT, UH, PRESENCE ON THE, THE MADISON SIDE IS, IS WHAT IS REALLY WHAT THE ARGUMENT'S ABOUT, RIGHT? THE, THE FENCE IS ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT, THE, THE, I GUESS, DEFENSES THAT SPLIT THE PROPERTIES LEFT AND RIGHT OF IT. 
          UM, THAT SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD BE APPROVED OTHERWISE. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EVERY OTHER SECTION MINUS THAT BACK? 
          [03:15:01]
YEAH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          NO, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT SIMPLE BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU RAN THE SIX FOOT FENCE DOWN, UNINTERRUPTED, DOWN BOTH SIDES, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY DISRUPTIVE EVEN IF YOU'RE PULLED BACK AT, AT 15 FEET. 
          I THINK THERE'S GOTTA BE A TRANSITION BOTH IN FENCING AND IN IN LANDSCAPE TO HAVE THIS FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT A TOTAL INTRUSION INTO, UH, MADISON STREET WITH ALL THE OTHER HOUSES FACING TOWARDS THE STREET. 
          SO I'M ACTUALLY, I APPRECIATE THE, THE MOTION, BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW IT GETS IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, RIGHT NOW, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS NOT TO APPROVE AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT GIVING A SOLUTION YET. 
          SO I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, GIVEN THIS FEEDBACK, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER, UH, WITHDRAWING AND COMING BACK WITH MAYBE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE, UM, FROM THE COMMISSION AND ALSO FROM THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT I, THERE IS A, A MOTION, UH, HAS BEEN MADE AND I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT THAT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT OFFER TO THE APPLICANT. 
          SO JUST, SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND, IT SOUNDS AS IF, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROCEED WITH A FOUR FOOT FENCE, UM, BOTH AT THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN TRANSITION TO POSSIBLY A SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          UH, IT, IT GETS REALLY COMPLICATED WHERE THE SIX, WHERE YOU COULD GET A SIX FOOT FENCE BETWEEN PROPERTY LINES, UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. 
          UM, SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE A FOUR FOOT FENCE WITH OPEN A OPEN STEEL FENCE WITH A LOT OF LANDSCAPING TO BE INSTALLED. 
          IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HEADING. 
          THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MORE CONDUCIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YES. 
          AND THE MOTION IS TO, UM, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS OR GO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH IS DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST, CORRECT? THAT IS MY MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND RECOMMEND THAT VEGETATION OR, OR, OR, UH, UH, YOU PLANT SOME SHRUBBERY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE KING WILLIAM, UH, DISTRICT, UH, STIPULATIONS. 
          SO IF THIS MOTION PASSES, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK WITH ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS AND WELL, UH, MR. CHAIR MIGHT RECOMMEND IT, OR YOU COULD PULL THE, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU COULD PULL THE APPLICATION AND THEN ASK FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S SE SEGMENTS OF THIS FENCE THAT'S ON THE WHITE HOUSE SIDE, THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT AVAILABLE, BUT THAT ENDS AT SOME POINT ON BOTH SIDES. 
          BUT IT'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UH, FOR US TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE, AT THE SIDE AND THEN, AND THEN FOR YOU TO MAYBE COME BACK WITH, WHAT YOU REALLY NEED ARE ELEVATION PROPOSALS, NOT SO MUCH PLANNED PROPOSALS, BUT TO SHOW HOW FAR, HOW FAR CAN YOU GET, AND THEN WHERE IT BECOMES FOUR FOOT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PROPOSE A PARTICULAR LANDSCAPING AT THE, AT THE, AT THE STREET LEVEL. 
          YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, WELL, COUPLE TREES, THAT'S WHAT THE, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR WOULD BE DENIAL OF THE CURRENT PLAN. 
          IT WOULD NOT PRECLUDE, UH, THE APPLICANT ASKING FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE COULD COME OUT AND LOOK AND TALK ABOUT OTHER OPTIONS AND THE APPLICANT COULD PROPOSE, UH, A NEW PLAN, UM, ONCE WE HAVE THAT D R C AND THEY'VE, UH, REVIEWED THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          GOTCHA. 
          WHAT WOULD BE THE FASTEST OP OPTION? WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          I DON'T MIND A D R C WHERE YOU GUYS COME OUT ON SITE AND WE DISCUSS, 'CAUSE I'M NOT, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ABIDE BY HISTORIC, BUT ALSO GAIN PRIVACY FOR OUR CLIENT. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING THE SUMMER IS ACTUALLY A GREAT TIME TO KIND OF WORK ON THIS FOR, FOR THEM. 
          UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST, UH, MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO WHATEVER THE FASTEST OPTION IS HERE, UM, IF IT MEANS I HAVE TO PULL THE CASE AND WE GO INTO D R C OR IT MEANS THAT JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST RESUBMIT ACCORDINGLY. 
          I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW WE MOVE, MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. 
          UH, QUESTION FOR LEGAL, SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          IF THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO PULL HIS APPLICATION, DO WE STILL VOTE ON THE MOTION? OKAY. 
          SO MR. CRUZ, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PULL YOUR APPLICATION, THEN UH, WE WON'T VOTE ON THE MOTION. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU CAN GET WITH STAFF AND REQUEST A SITE D R C, WHICH WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK, AND THEN YOU'D BE BACK ON THE AGENDA IN TWO WEEKS, IF YOU'RE READY WITH, UH, ALTERNATE PROPOSAL. 
          UM, YES. 
          ACTUALLY, CAN, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT THOUGH? I JUST SAW SOMETHING IN ONE OF THE GOOGLE ORANGES. 
          YOU JUST SHOWED . 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MATTERS RIGHT NOW OR NOT, BUT, UM, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SOUTH ALAMO SIDE. 
          UM, 
          [03:20:04]
SO IF YOU LOOK OVER TO THE RIGHT THERE, THAT SIX FOOT FENCE ON THE, ON THE HOUSE, THAT, THAT, SEE HOW FAR THAT PRIVACY FENCE EXTENDS? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE. 
          SO THAT SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ON THE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE COMPARED TO THE MADISON SIDE? UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE THE SAME THING. 
          THAT'S THE BACKYARD OF FIVE 14 MADISON, BUT IT'S THE FRONT YARD OF SOUTH ALAMO. 
          WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE REVERSE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE? I THINK WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT, THAT ALL THE OTHER HOUSES ARE FACED THE OTHER DIRECTION. 
          SO THAT IS THEIR BACKYARD. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT USING THE CAR ANALOGY, RIGHT, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S REPLICATED ON SOUTH ALAMO. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT ALL THOSE OTHER HOUSES ARE BACKING UP ONTO SOUTH ALAMO AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTIONAL SITUATION. 
          IT IS IN FACT SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT. 
          IF YOU'RE ON SOUTH ALAMO, THE HOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT, RIGHT THERE THAT YOU'RE POINTING THAT YELLOW HOUSE BY, BY THE BUMP SIDE, THAT ACTUALLY IS A SOUTH ALAMO HOUSE AS WELL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE ONLY HOUSE, IT'S NOT THE ONLY CONDITION WHERE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENS. 
          THAT IS A QUARTER LOT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO GETS TRICKY, YOU KNOW, SAY, SAY THAT CLIENT WERE TO, YOU KNOW, PURSUE A FENCE LINE AS WELL. 
          UM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN A TRICKIER SITUATION 'CAUSE THEY'RE ON THREE STREETS. 
          BUT, UM, ANYWAYS, I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IF, YOU KNOW, THAT CONDITION CAN BE MADE ON SOUTH ALAMO, WHY CAN'T THAT CONDITION, WHY CAN'T WE DO THE SAME THING ON MADISON STREET? REALLY WELL SUGGESTION MR. CRUZ IS TO PULL YOUR APPLICATION, LET'S HAVE A SITE D R C, WE CAN LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS ON BOTH STREETS AND HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH A, UH, SOLUTION THAT MEETS YOUR CLIENT'S, UH, UH, NEEDS AS WELL AS THE, UH, CITY GUIDELINES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE COULD, UH, WE CAN DO THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          MR. CHAIR, I CAN PULL, I CAN PULL THAT MOTION AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PULLED HIS APPLICATION AND STAFF WILL GET WITH THEM FOR A SITE D R C AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM, UH, AGENDA ITEM 13? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          AGENDA ITEM 16. 
          AGENDA ITEM 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 0 2. 
          ADDRESS, 1 36 LAVACCA. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN 800 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR YARD. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT FEATURES A PROFILE MATERIALS, FENESTRATION PATTERN, AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, OR RELATE TO THE MATERIALS OR DESIGN OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, JOE ZZI, IS HERE IN PERSON, I THINK SO, FROM STAFF THAT SAID THAT THE MONITOR BARN, UH, WAS APPROPRIATE. 
          SO FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IN THIS, THE ISSUE IS THE ACTUAL MATERIALS INVOLVED. 
          SO, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS THAT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE PLATS ABOVE SHOWED THAT THE HOME DID HAVE A MONITOR BARN AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHEN MR. DIMAN BUILT THE HOUSE, UH, STARTING IN 1870. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN BLESSED TO LIVE IN THIS HOME FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE WAY MR. DILLMAN BUILT IT. 
          UH, AS YOU, AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE, THE BEAUTIFUL FRONT OF MY HOME, UH, COMPLETELY DOMINATES THE, THE BLOCK. 
          UM, THERE IS NO VIEW OF THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE VACA STREET PROPER AT ALL. 
          UM, THERE FROM BOTH SIDES YOU CAN SEE WITH THE LANDSCAPE. 
          UM, AND THEN WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PROPERTIES, THERE'S NO VIEW, NO WAY TO EVEN SEE WHERE THIS PROPERTY WOULD BE FROM THE, FROM 
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THE VODKA. 
          THIS IS RIO STREET. 
          SO THIS IS THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY. 
          THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE, THE, THE NEIGHBOR TO MY, UH, LEFT, OR I BELIEVE IT'S ONE 30 LA VODKA. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE A PREEXISTING HISTORIC, UH, PREFAB METAL BARN IN THAT LOCATION. 
          UH, AND I AM, AM LOOKING TO LINE UP MY MONITOR BARN, UH, EXACTLY WITH THIS SAME PUSHOUT, UH, AS, AS THIS METAL PREFAB BUILDING. 
          UM, THAT, THAT IS, IS MY NEIGHBOR'S BUILDING. 
          UH, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PHOTO, YOU'LL SEE THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE WHO DID WRITE A LETTER THAT I BELIEVE IS PROBABLY BEING CLOSED. 
          UH, THIS IS DON THOMAS, DON LAURA THOMAS' PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE SETBACK OF THEIR ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UH, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THEY'VE ADDED, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH APPROVAL HERE, A WOOD FENCE AND A FLAT CAR PUT CARPORT. 
          THAT'S JUST A BASIC WOOD CARPORT WITH TIN, AS YOU CAN SEE LOOKING DOWN REIO, YOU CANNOT EVEN SEE MY PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE HUGE LIVE OAK TREE THAT'S GROWING, UH, AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY NO VIEW, UH, OF WHAT I'M WANTING TO BUILD FROM REIO STREET, FROM THIS SIDE OF REIO EITHER. 
          UM, SO, AND AGAIN, I I AM LOOKING TO SET IT BACK EXACTLY THE SAME AS THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          THIS IS LOOKING BEHIND MY HOUSE, SO BEHIND ME IS THE UNITED WAY PARKING LOT WITH A PLANE CHAIN LINK FENCE. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, MY NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME, I DON'T THINK WILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ME, UH, PUTTING A MOTOR STYLE BARN, UH, IN THIS LOCATION, GIVEN THAT IT'S A, IT'S A COMMERCIAL, UH, PARKING LOT. 
          UH, SO IF YOU GO ONTO THE NEXT PICTURE, UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT MY HOUSE. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS IS THE CORNER WHERE I WOULD WANT TO PUT THE ACTUAL, UH, UH, BARN, UH, GARAGE CARPORT, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. 
          UH, THE NEXT, UH, UH, PICTURE, THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS THE DRAWING OF WHERE I WOULD PUT IT. 
          SO IF YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, YOU'LL SEE, UM, THAT I WILL BE USING UP ONLY A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, UH, ABOUT, UH, LESS, LESS THAN I THINK 20% OF THE REMAINING LAND AFTER MY HOUSE, WHICH I BELIEVE FITS, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, OR, OR THE SUGGESTIONS. 
          IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO THE NEXT, THIS IS WHAT I'M WANTING TO BUILD. 
          UH, SO IT IS A, IS A, IS A METAL PREFAB, UH, CARPORT, UM, BARN. 
          IT ACTUALLY IS DESIGNED AS A BARN, BUT I HAVE HAD THEM OPEN UP THE THREE OPENINGS, UH, SO THAT I COULD USE IT, UH, FOR PARKING OF VEHICLES. 
          UH, IT IS A BROWN ROOF, UH, SIMILAR TO A LOOK AND FEEL TO MY HOUSE, BROWN AND, UH, CREAM WITH WHITE TRIM. 
          AND THEN IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, UM, YOU'LL SEE THE CARRIAGE DOORS TO THE RIGHT IN THAT PHOTO. 
          OR IF YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THE FINISHED CARRIAGE DOORS. 
          ALL THREE OPENINGS OF THE BARN WOULD HAVE THESE CARRIAGE DOORS INSTALLED. 
          SO THE VIEW AND LOOK WOULD BE A MONITOR BARN SLASH GARAGE. 
          UM, AGAIN, METAL CONSTRUCTION, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, I BELIEVE THE NEXT PAGE IS A PICTURE OF THE ORIGINAL BARN IN ITS LOCATION BEHIND MY HOUSE. 
          NOW, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL GERMAN BUILT WOOD MONITOR BARN. 
          UH, IF I WAS TO BUILD A, A WOOD STRUCTURE IN THAT LOCATION, UH, I HAVE LOOKED INTO IT, IT'D BE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BUILD THAT, THAT THAT FIXTURE. 
          I SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD AND WOULDN'T WANNA PUT THAT MUCH MONEY INTO A GARAGE. 
          BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE $25,000 I WOULD INVEST IN A MONITOR STYLE BUILDING IN THAT SAME LOCATION IS EXACTLY WHAT JOHN DILLMAN WOULD'VE DONE IF HE'D HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD, UH, WITH TODAY'S MATERIALS AND NOT WHAT WAS AVAILABLE TO HIM IN 1870. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT IS FROM THE ARCHIVES OF THE HISTORIC. 
          AND THEN THIS IS MORE VIEWS OF THE METAL PREFAB BUILDING BESIDE ME. 
          IT IS VINTAGE. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, SEARS AND ROEBUCK BUILDING. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT THE METAL DOORFRAMES ARE RUSTING. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, CUTE, UH, AND, AND LOVE ITS CHARACTER. 
          UH, BUT I THINK IT DOES SHOW THAT METAL MATERIALS ARE IN FACT, HAVE BEEN USED ON MY BLOCK HISTORICALLY, WHICH IS WHAT I'M WANTING TO DO WITH MINE. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT, UH, AND FINAL PICTURE THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, YOU'LL SEE THE METAL DOORS ON THE FRONT OF THE, OF HIS BARN. 
          UH, THE METAL FRAMING. 
          IT IS A PREFAB, IN FACT, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE BEAUTIFUL, UH, UH, ART ARTWORK THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A STAMPED THAT SH THAT IS THE STAMPING OF STEER SEARS AND ROEBUCK. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT HAS 1940S AS THE, AS THE, UH, UH, DATA MANUFACTURER. 
          SO I'M ASKING TO DO A PREFAB METAL BUILDING WITH GARAGE DOORS THAT ARE CARRIAGE STYLE, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO MY NEXT DOOR'S METAL BUILDING, BUT 
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AS AN HOMAGE TO THE MONITOR BARN THAT MR. DILLMAN BUILT FROM THE PROPERTY IN 1870. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? YES, WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL, AND THERE ARE ALSO, UM, I BELIEVE A COUPLE LETTERS IN YOUR FOLDER. 
          HI, MY NAME IS MELISSA STANDAL, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGARDING H D R C, CASE 2022 DASH 3 0 2. 
          ADDRESS, 1 3 6 LAVACCA STREET. 
          WE SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF O H P STAFF FOR REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE PROFILE MATERIALS AND FENESTRATION PATTERN AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS TO MEET THE CHARACTER VIA HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I CAN BE REACHED. 
          THAT'S IT, MR. MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          UH, GOOD. 
          START US OFF. 
          UM, I'VE, I FIND THAT GENTLEMAN'S PRESENTATION VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT VERY OFTEN THAT SOMEONE PROPOSES WHAT ONE OF THESE PREFAB BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THAT WE SEE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE RIGHT? EVERYWHERE, BUT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE HE PROPOSES TO PUT IT, IS THE EQUIVALENT OF THAT IN THE 19 OR THE 18 HUNDREDS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A REALLY, REALLY KIND OF FUNNY DIALOGUE THAT HAS A LOT OF VALIDITY, RIGHT? IT, IT LIKE RAISES A, A QUESTION OF VALUES WITH RESPECT TO, UM, WHY, UH, THE PREFABRICATED CONCEPT APPEARS OVER AND OVER AND OVER THROUGHOUT TIME, RIGHT? THERE'S A CONVERSATION THAT THAT HAPPENS AROUND THE WOFF CHAIR 1927, UH, MISS VANDER, UH, BENT CHROME CHAIR, THAT, THAT RAISES THE QUESTION OF THE LICENSE REIS ISSUES OF THESE CHAIRS, RIGHT? THAT THINK THEY'RE, UH, UH, IT WAS HERMAN MILLER WHO REISSUES IT BY LICENSE, BUT THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT THE CHAIR WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE AN EXPENSIVE CHAIR. 
          I THINK THE CHAIR'S ABOUT TWO GRAND RIGHT NOW, AND YOU CAN GET A COPY VERY INEXPENSIVELY. 
          AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A CHAIR THAT WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE. 
          IT WOULD BE A, UH, A CHAIR, UH, AVAILABLE TO THE MASSES, RIGHT? WHICH IS, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE VALUE OF PREFABRICATION, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND THE ESSENCE OF, OF THE, OF THE ACCESSORY DWELLING, UH, BEING ACCESSIBLE, UH, MORE SO ECONOMICALLY RIGHT NOW, THEN IT SPEAKS A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE OF AESTHETICS. 
          BUT THE AESTHETICS ARE WHATEVER THE PREFAB ENVIRONMENT, UM, THOUGHT WAS EX AESTHETICALLY PLEASING IN, IN THE CASE OF TODAY, PASSING THROUGH POSTMODERNISM AND ALL THAT, THERE ARE ABSTRACTIONS, RIGHT? SO WHERE YOU SEE IN THE SEARS AND ROSE RO ROEBUCK ARE THESE ACTUAL STAMPS OF THE DETAIL OF THE TIME, RIGHT? SO I JUST FIND IT VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE GENTLEMAN IS PRESENTING THE, THE, THE SITUATION, HE HAPPENS TO HAVE ONE OF THESE PREFAB BULL NEXT DOOR TO HIM. 
          YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, THE DIALOGUE THAT COULD BE HAD WITH RESPECT TO THE SAMENESS OF THESE TWO STRUCTURES IN, IN THIS CONTEXT. 
          OF COURSE, IT ALSO RAISES THE QUESTION, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY ELSE BRINGS ONE OF THESE THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A, A PREFAB BUILDING NEXT TO THEM? WELL, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SUBJECT, RIGHT? BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT, IT PROPOSES A REAL MAKE, MAKES A REALLY GOOD POINT. 
          I I I, I MEAN, ONLY, ONLY THE CIRCUMSTANCES COULD CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU COULD POINT AT ONE AND SAY, THAT'S A PREFAB METAL BUILDING. 
          THIS IS A PREFAB METAL BUILDING. 
          AND WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE QUALITY OF AESTHETIC AND, AND THE IN AND, AND THE INVESTMENT OF THE MANUFACTURER, WELL, OBVIOUSLY TODAY, THEY DON'T THINK LIKE SEARS THOUGHT BACK THEN. 
          UH, BUT HE'S GOT THE FORM SHOWS A HISTORIC, UH, DRAWING OF, OF THAT TYPE. 
          I THINK IT MAKES FOR A VERY RICH DIALOGUE AND IT'S A CHALLENGING SITUATION. 
          BUT I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, OF WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS REQUESTING THAT I, I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT CORRUGATED TIN IS, UH, UH, APPLICABLE TO THE, TO THE ROOF FORM, OR HOW FAR CAN IT GET TO SOMETHING WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF ITS CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THE FRAMEWORK OF IT ALL TO GET YOU TO A POINT WHERE IT'S NOT JUST, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THEY HAVE OPTIONS OF SIDING, RIGHT? BUT PERHAPS YOU HAVE OPTIONS OF SIDING AS WELL THAT KEEP YOU WITHIN YOUR PRICE POINT AND ENABLE YOU TO CREATE THIS INTERESTING DIALOGUE FOR US. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION THOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, SO I, YOU KNOW, I CHOSE THE COLORS. 
          UM, THEY CAN DO A SHINY SILVER TOT ROOF THAT WOULD MATCH THE SHINY SILVER CARPORT, UH, STANDING SEAM SILVER THAT DON THOMAS HAS NEXT DOOR. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK Y'ALL HEARD THE LETTER, THE EMAIL, BUT DON 
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THOMAS, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR DID WRITE A LETTER SUPPORTING, UH, UH, Y'ALL PROBABLY HAVE THAT. 
          BUT, UH, SO IF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COLORS COULD CERTAINLY BE COLORED TO MATCH EITHER THE RUSTY RED OF THE METAL BUILDING BESIDE ME OR THE SHINY SILVER OF, OF DON THOMAS'S, UH, CARPORT. 
          I JUST, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, I THINK THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS MUCH MORE VISUALLY LIKE WHAT MR. DIMAN BUILT THEN IF I WERE TO COME TO YOU WANTING TO BUILD THE EXACT SAME CARPORT THAT DON THOMAS HAS NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS VERY PLAIN WOOD, WITH A PLAIN STANDING SEAM, UH, ROOF. 
          UM, THAT ONE, RIGHT, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN ONE NOW, YEAH, THAT IS HIS CARPORT. 
          YOU CAN BARELY SEE IT. 
          I'M SORRY FOR MY PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE SHINY TIN RIGHT ABOVE THE FENCE LINE. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE WOOD IS, IS PLAIN WOOD, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WOOD OF THIS FENCING. 
          THAT IS HIS CARPORT THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO ME IN THE EXACT SAME POSITION. 
          SO I COULD HAVE COME AND, AND SUGGESTED A PLAIN CARPORT JUST LIKE HIS, IT PROBABLY WOULD COST SIMILAR, I'M GUESSING. 
          TO ME, THAT'S A VERY MODERN LOOKING CARPORT. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PLAIN WOOD. 
          IT, IT MATCHES A LOT OF THE MODERN EDITIONS THAT ARE BEING DONE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MATCH THE CHARACTER OF MY HOME. 
          THE DILLMAN HOUSE, UH, BUILT IN 1870 FOR HIS FAMILY, LIVED IN IT FOR 60 YEARS. 
          UM, AND THE WAY THAT I HAVE RESTORED IT WITH BRINGING BACK THE BRICK AND ALL THOSE COLORS, CREAMS, UH, AND YELLOWS, WHICH ARE, OF COURSE THAT'S DE HEINOUS, I BELIEVE DE HEINOUS BRICK IS, IS THE UPPER PART OF, OF MY HOME. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE BROWN AND CREAM ACTUALLY LENDS ITSELF MUCH MORE TO MY HOUSE AND TO WHAT HE BUILT THAN, THAN SHINY METALWOOD. 
          BUT I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO, TO THE COLORS THE CONVERSATION OF THAT. 
          BUT MY REQUEST IS, IS THE METAL BUILDING, BECAUSE IT GIVES ME THE ONLY CHANCE, REALLY, OF BUILDING A MONITOR BARN, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY ORIGINALLY. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          AND I DO APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WAS THE TECHNOLOGY OF THAT TIME RENDERED IN METAL. 
          AND THIS IS THE TECHNOLOGY OF TODAY RENDERED IN METAL. 
          BUT READING THE TWO OTHER LETTERS THAT, UH, ARE INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS FROM SOME OF YOUR OTHER NEIGHBORS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SCALE OF THIS BEING 44 FEET. 
          UH, ALONG THEY, THEY CITE THAT WITH AN EXPLANATION MARK. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO, IN ONE OF THE OTHER LETTERS, IT REFERS TO THAT THIS, THIS BAR LIKE STRUCTURE HAS MORE OF A RURAL FEEL TO IT THAN, UM, IS A KIND OF MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, URBAN, UH, TOWN, HOME TYPE OF A FEEL, LIKE THE, THE METAL STRUCTURES. 
          SO THERE, I THINK THERE ARE, THERE IS STILL, UH, SOME REAL CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND I SHARE WITH YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE, THE SCALE, THE, UH, MATERIALITY AND, AND ALSO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          HE WILL HAVE TO SEEK A, A VARIANCE FOR THIS WARNING BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? YES. 
          I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW OTHER HURDLES TO GET THROUGH AS WELL TO GET THIS APPROVED, UH, THAT YOU MAY BE ALREADY AWARE OF. 
          I, I APPRECIATE THE ARGUMENT, I APPRECIATE I'D TO KNOW WHAT APPRECIATE YOUR PROCESS IS. 
          'CAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. 
          I THINK THE FACT THAT BOTH OF MY PROPERTIES EITHER SIDE OF ME HAVE OUTBUILDINGS BUILT EXACTLY AT THAT LINE, PLUS THE SOSA'S WHO ARE ON THE CORNER ALSO HAVE A LARGE ADDITION THAT THEY BUILT BEHIND THEIR ORIGINAL HOME THAT ALSO HAS THAT SAME FRONTAGE. 
          SO I, I THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THAT SETBACK IS VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THAT ALLEY, RIGHT? IS RERO STREET IS AN ALLEY, YOU KNOW, THE 200 BLOCK OF RERO HAS CINDER BLOCK BUILDINGS ON IT. 
          SO THIS IS NOT LAVACCA STREET OR MADISON STREET, UH, OR CALLAHAN STREET. 
          THIS IS RERO, IT IS A 12, I BELIEVE, A 12 FOOT WIDE PAVED ALLEY, BASICALLY, UM, THAT HAS THE UNITED WAY PARKING LOT, UNITED WAY BUILDING ON ONE SIDE, AND IT HAS THE BACKS OF ALL THE HOMES OF VA ON THE OTHER SIDE, VERY HIDDEN FROM EVERYTHING AS FAR AS SIZE. 
          IF THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR ME TO CUT IT BACK, UH, THAT IT GOES TO THE EDGE OF THAT OAK TREE, RIGHT? SO THE OAK TREE STANDS, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO, IT IS, IT WOULD, THE CORNER WOULD BE AT THE OAK TREE AND IT WOULD GO TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHY I CHOSE THAT LENGTH. 
          UM, IT COULD BE COMPRESSED IF, IF WE THOUGHT IT WORKED, BUT JUST, UH, REDUCED IT AS FAR AS THE, THE OTHER PIECE OF THE STRUCTURE IS ONLY 13 FEET HIGH, RIGHT? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A 25 FEET HIGH BARN. 
          THIS, THE, THE HEIGHT OF, OF, AT THE TOP OF IT IS ONLY 13 FEET. 
          SO IT'S NOT THIS BIG IMPOSING, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          DO YOU KNOW THE HEIGHT OF 
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YOUR NEIGHBOR'S, UH, BUILDINGS? I BELIEVE THAT THE METAL BUILDING TO MY LEFT RIGHT IS, IS THE SAME HEIGHT. 
          THE, UH, AND THIS, THIS WHITE BUILDING HERE IS HIGHER, UH, THAN, THAN THE 13 FEET THAT I'M BUILDING. 
          THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE, I BELIEVE IS, IS A VERY SIMILAR HEIGHT TO WHAT MINE WOULD BE. 
          SO IF YOU TOOK THIS BUILDING AND TURNED IT SIDEWAYS IN THEIR LOT, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I'M BUILDING. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT HIS CARPORT, RIGHT, HE HAS, UH, IN THIS PHOTO, THE CARPORT COVERS, UM, ABOUT, UH, 50% OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE EXISTING BUILDING COVERS ANOTHER 35%, AND THE MIDDLE IS A WALKWAY GOING TO A SWIMMING POOL. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE VIEW OF HIS PROPERTY LINE IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED, UH, WITH AT LEAST SIX FOOT AND THEN TWO, TWO STRUCTURES THAT ARE, THAT ARE MUCH HIGHER. 
          SO, UH, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE CARPORT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE HEIGHT OF THIS WHITE, UH, GARAGE BUILDING THAT DON HAS. 
          QUESTION MR. CHE, UM, IF WE GO TO IMAGE 21, ARE YOU PROPOSING DOORS ON ALL THREE YES. 
          ELEMENTS? YES. 
          SO, SO THE ONES IN THE CENTER WOULD BE TALLER? THE THE YES. 
          THE, THE, THE ONES ON THE SIDES ARE NINE FEET TALL, AND THE ONE IN THE, THE ONE IN THE CENTER IS 12 FEET TALL. 
          SO 12 BY 20 IS THE CENTER ONE, AND THE OTHERS ARE TRA THE VERY TRADITIONAL NINE FEET TALL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE 13 FOOT HEIGHT OF THAT, OF THAT PEAK. 
          IT'S JUST ABOVE THAT, THAT 12 FOOT TALL AND ALL THREE OF THE DOORS WOULD BE THIS EXACT SAME LAYOUT. 
          SO YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME CARRIAGE DOORS. 
          IT'S JUST THE MIDDLE ONE WOULD BE LARGER. 
          OF COURSE, IT'D BE THREE FOOT TALLER THAN A NORMAL GARAGE DOOR. 
          THE TWO ON THE SIDE WOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE AS A STANDARD GARAGE DOOR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. ZECHA, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR'S, UM, METAL BUILDING. 
          UH, WHAT IS THE STRUCTURE OF THAT BUILDING? IT IS ALL METAL. 
          IF IT STEEL POST IT, IT'S STEEL POST. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          ON THE INSIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE DOOR FRAMES ARE, ARE IN THE WINDOW, FRAMES ARE RUSTING. 
          UH, AND THE SAME WITH THE PICTURE. 
          UH, THE NEXT PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THE STEEL GOING AROUND. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SO, SO IT, IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT STEEL CONSTRUCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE INSIDE TOO. 
          STEEL COVER, STEEL CLAD WITH TIN ON THE INSIDE TOO. 
          I DRIVE BY. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          I'VE DRIVEN BY THIS MANY TIMES, BUT NOT WITH THE EYE FOR YOUR PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          SO, UM, UH, I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, IT'S NOT ANY ONE THING. 
          THERE'S NOT ONE THING THAT IS TOTALLY EGREGIOUS AND OUT OF BOUNDS. 
          UH, IT'S A LITTLE HERE, A LITTLE THERE. 
          IT'S THE SCALE OF IT, IT'S THE METAL, IT IS THE MASSIVENESS OF THE FOOTPRINT. 
          ALL THOSE THINGS ACCUMULATED HAVE ME LOOKING AT IT, GO IN THIS CONTEXT THINKING, IS THERE A BETTER WAY? UH, ONE OF MY OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE EXISTING METAL BUILDING OF YOUR NEIGHBORS IS HOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS STATE OF THE ART AT THE TIME, NEW MATERIAL THAT IS WEATHERPROOF AND MAINTENANCE FREE AND ALL THOSE GREAT SELLING POINTS, IT IS MADE TO LOOK LIKE A WOOD FRAME WOOD CONSTRUCTION BUILDING. 
          SO IT HAS THE DETAILS THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE ON A WOOD BUILDING, THE OVERHANG OF YOUR ROOF, THE, THE, THE HEIGHT AND THE WIDTH OF IT. 
          WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT FULL GREAT SPAN THAT STEEL CAN DO AT THE TIME. 
          IT'S MADE TO LOOK LIKE A WOOD BUILDING, BUT IT COMES WITH THE BENEFIT, THE CONSUMER BENEFIT OF MAINTENANCE FREE. 
          WHEREAS THIS NEWER CONTEMPORARY BUILDING, I WOULDN'T CALL IT MODERN, BUT CONTEMPORARY, IT HAS ALL OF THE THUMBPRINTS, THE FINGERPRINTS OF, UM, MANUFACTURED PARTS AND DETAILS, AND I'M MISSING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAS ME GOING. 
          MM. 
          THE, THERE'S NOT THE OVERHANG THAT WE WOULD EXPECT. 
          THIS IS A PURE METAL FABRICATION PRODUCT. 
          SO I GUESS IN SOME CIRCLES THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, AND IS IT MAKES FOR A, A VERY LIVELY AND INTERESTING, UM, COMMENTARY ON, ON, UM, PRODUCTION AND HOW IT'S CHANGED OR NOT CHANGED. 
          UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THE HORIZONTAL SLATS TO MAKE IT KIND OF LOOK LIKE WOOD, BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, THE HORIZONTAL SLATS AND THE WHITE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SIDING, YEAH, WELL, JUST ON THE, THE SIDING OF THE CORRUGATING, YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE'S SORT OF THAT ORGAN HOMAGE TO WOOD, BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR SETTING IS, AND ALL OF THOSE LITTLE PIECES HERE AND THERE THAT JUST DON'T QUITE 
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FIT, LEAVE ME A BIT UNEASE. 
          SO IF I LOOK, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          FOR THIS YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          SURE. 
          MIKE, MIKE, QUESTION FU THOSE ARE THE ONES WITH DOORS. 
          YES, YES. 
          I'M NOT PLANNING, I HAD NOT PLANNED TO PUT DOORS ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PROPERTY, BUT FOR SECURITY OF THE BACK, AND TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A BARN WITH A CARRIAGE DOORS AND LOOK LESS LIKE A STANDARD METAL CARPORT SHAPED LIKE A BARN. 
          THAT'S PART OF WHY I WANNA GO EXPENSE OF PUTTING THOSE CARRIAGE STYLE DOORS ON IT TO MAKE IT LOOK EVEN MORE BARN LIKE. 
          BUT ON MY SIDE, THE ONLY ONE, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WILL SEE THAT WILL BE ME, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY INTERIOR. 
          IT'S ALMOST LIKE A COURTYARD AT THAT POINT. 
          UH, ALL THE REST OF MY BACKYARD, A SINGLE DOOR THAT, THAT, THAT ROLLS UP. 
          BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE CARRIAGE DOORS. 
          IT HAS THE TWO, THE TWO, THE HINGES AND THE POOLS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A, YOU KNOW, WOODEN DOORS THAT WOULD PULL OUT. 
          BUT IN FACT, IT IS A, A DOOR THAT ROLLS UP. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          SO I'M, I'M CONFUSED, SO I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION HERE. 
          SO BASED ON WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER JUST ASKED, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE CARRIES DOORS UP FRONT, AND THEN THE BACK IS GONNA BE COMPLETELY OPEN. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONLY THE BACK WOULD BE VIEWABLE BY YOU. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE TRYING TO ACCESS FROM THE BACK, OR NO? WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? I'M SORRY. 
          MAYBE I MISSPOKE. 
          THE, THE DOORS WILL BE ON THE REFUGIO SIDE STREET SIDE, THE, THE, THE ALLEY METAL, THE PAVED ALLEYWAY INSIDE MY COURTYARD OF MY HOUSE. 
          SO IF I WALK OFF OF MY BACK PORCH TOWARDS THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE OPEN. 
          BUT FROM REFU HILL, IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN REFU HILL, YOU WOULD PASS MY NEIGHBOR, UH, DON THOMAS'S WHITE BUILDING IN THE WOOD FENCE WITH THE CARPORT, YOU WOULD PASS AN OAK TREE, THEN YOU WOULD SEE MY BARN DOORS WITH A BARN. 
          THEN YOU WOULD SEE THE PATCH OF GREEN, UH, OF MY NEIGHBOR, UH, AT ONE 30. 
          AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THEIR METAL OUTBUILDING. 
          AND THEN NEXT TO THAT, YOU WOULD SEE THE BACK OF THE SOSA'S LARGE, UH, HOME ADDITION THAT FACES REFU HILL, UH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO, SO FROM REFU HILL, IF YOU WERE STANDING IN THE UNITED WAY PARKING LOT, YOU WOULD SEE A BARN WITH BARN DOORS, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH IT. 
          THE OPEN SIDE WOULD BE THE INTERIOR OF MY LOT, LOOKING FROM MY BACK PORCH TOWARDS THE BARN. 
          DOES THAT HELP CLARIFY? YEAH, I'M VISUALIZING IT MORE NOW. 
          SO, UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA? YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION. 
          WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT MIDDLE, UH, OVERHEAD ROLLING DOOR? IT IS, UH, 20 FEET BY 12 FEET. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NOW, I, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME WITH ONE MORE COMMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE SUPPORTIVE IF, IF THIS THING WAS SIMPLER AND MORE ANONYMOUS AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR HOUSE HAS THAT SORT OF ATED, YOU KNOW, WHAT APPEARS TO BE A FLAT ROOF, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT, UM, JUST A, A MORE UNDERSTATED APPROACH TO THIS BUILDING RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT FEELS LIKE IT BELONGS OUT AT A RANCH DOWN IN, YOU KNOW, PARASOL OR SOMEPLACE. 
          I, I FEEL, BECAUSE OF IT'S, IT'S SORT OF MANUFACTURED ASPECT, UH, BEING PLACED WITHIN THIS, THIS, UH, CONTEXT, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I THINK MATERIALLY YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRAIL. 
          I THINK MAYBE GOING SIMPLER WITH IT, IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GET WITH THAT MANUFACTURER AND SEE THEY HAVE SOME OTHER MODELS, YOU KNOW, SPLIT POLE BARN TYPE OF THING THAT MIGHT BE JUST SIMPLER AND LESS STYLISTIC. 
          UH, KIND OF THIS SORT OF DUTCH BARN UTILITARIAN THING THAT YOU PARK A TRACTOR UNDER JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT BELONGS IN THIS LOCATION FOR ME. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD MOVE FOR DENIAL. 
          SO WE, I SECOND MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I FIND VERY INTERESTING IS THAT THE, 
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THIS, THE SCALE, LOOKING AT THE PICTURE THAT YOU SHOW, THAT'S HISTORIC, RIGHT THERE. 
          IT IS. 
          AND IT CLEARLY HAD A SECOND FLOOR, SO ITS HEIGHT WAS EASILY, EASILY UP THERE IN THE TWENTIES. 
          AND THE CONSTRAINTS OF, OF, OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY, I CAN SEE THAT WHAT IT REALLY WANTS IS FOR ITS PITCH TO INCREASE AND TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO CREATE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL IT A DUTCH AND, UH, A HIP IN THE FRONT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT, IT HAS IT'S LIMITATIONS, RIGHT? UM, BUT, UM, I THINK THE WAY YOU'RE GOING ABOUT IT, I, I, I APPRECIATE, I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT THE MOTION TO DENY WOULD FAIL AND THAT WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. 
          UH, I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION TO DENY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT, UM, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IT, IT CREATES A BIT OF A TOUGH PILL TO SWALLOW BECAUSE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SO MUCH. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU REALLY, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, UM, UM, THE PICTURE THAT YOU BROUGHT BECAUSE IT REALLY SAYS THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND, UM, UH, I, UM, I CAN SEE IT, BUT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I CAN, I CAN SIT IN YOUR BACKYARD AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, AND THAT, THAT ABSTRACTED, UM, UH, A STRUCTURE WOULD CAUSE US TO TALK ABOUT THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          AND IT, IT, THOSE METAL STRUCTURES ARE NOT REAL IMPACTFUL. 
          THAT MEANS THAT IF SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE WANTS TO TEAR IT DOWN AND AND BUILD THE REAL DEAL, THEY, THEY COULD DO IT BECAUSE YOU'D ALREADY HAVE THE FOUNDATION AND THOSE THINGS JUST BOLT OFF. 
          THEY COME APART, RIGHT? SO IT, SO I, I'D ASK MY COM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THE, THE, UM, THE, THE NON PERMANENCE OF IT, THE, THE, THE REVERSIBILITY OF IT ALL, SO THAT HE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN, IN A, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH THAT, WITH THAT GARAGE, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT CAUSES A DIALOGUE ABOUT THE HISTORY WITHOUT DAMAGING THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN LEGITIMIZE HIS NEIGHBOR'S BUILDING, BUT IF WE TALK ABOUT RULE THAT'S RURAL, THAT'S A SHED, THAT'S A WOOD FRAMED SHED. 
          THERE'S, YOU CAN'T GET MORE RURAL THAN THAT. 
          AND, AND, AND THIS IS MOST DEFINITELY AN URBAN SETTING, AND IT, IT OBVIOUSLY IS EQUIVALENT OF THE SEARS, ANDROS, UCK, UH, UM, INTENT. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANY, ANY POSSIBILITY OR ANY PRAYER FOR THE REMOVAL OF THIS AND, AND A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS GENTLEMAN'S, UH, WISHES, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE, THE BEST THING TO DO. 
          BUT, UH, WE'LL SEE HOW THE VOTE GOES. 
          SIR. 
          I, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT DISCUSSION THAT I THINK THE SCALE TO ME, AT LEAST FOR ME, IS, IS JUST THE BIG GLARING RED, UH, RED.IN THERE. 
          UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE OVERHEAD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT STAFF CAN GO TO THE OVERHEAD, UH, IN THE PACKET, WHICH IS, I THINK, UH, IMAGE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          I CAN'T TELL WHAT IMAGE IT'S NOT LABELED HERE. 
          YEAH, IF YOU GO TO THE OVERHEAD, THE, THE GOOGLE OVERHEAD. 
          SO IF YOU, AND THEN ZOOM IN ON IT WHERE YOU CAN GET A, A SHOT OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND THEN THE TWO PROPERTIES NEXT TO 'EM, YOU CAN SEE THE SCALE OF THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS. 
          I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU BROUGHT FORTH, UH, TODAY WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE HISTORY OF IT, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE MATERIAL, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL VALID POINTS. 
          I THINK I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON, ON, ON, ON SOME OF THAT. 
          FOR ME, THE SCALE, IF YOU CAME BACK WITH THE SMALLER SCALE THAT KIND OF MATCHED WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS WERE DOING, COULD, COULD I ASK THAT WE PULL UP THE ACTUAL GOOGLE RENTER OF ONE 40? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT ACCURATE TODAY. 
          MY, THE, THE PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT NOW HAS A FULL CARPORT AND A SWIMMING POOL IN THE BACK. 
          AND SO THIS IMAGE IS NOT CURRENT. 
          THIS IMAGE IS JUST ASK CAN BRING IT UP IF THEY WANT, BEFORE, UH, DON THOMAS RENOVATED THE PROPERTY AND ADDED HIS CARPORT AND SWIMMING POOL TO THE PROPERTY. 
          AND I KNOW NO ONE FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT IS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE , AT THE OVERHEAD SHOT. 
          WHAT I'M, WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THAT WAS THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          THE REASON I, THE RE THE ONLY REASON I'M, I'VE, I WOULD LOVE TO PULL THAT UP, IS THAT IT ACTUALLY IS EXACTLY ALIGNED WITH THE WALL THAT HE BUILT, UH, IN FRONT OF HIS CARPORT THAT SEPARATES HIS CARPORT FROM HIS POOL AND THE ENTIRE BACK HALF OF HIS PROPERTY, OR THE, THE, THE SAME LINE THAT I'M GOING TO BUILD IS, UH, I CHOSE THAT LINE TO LINE UP EXACTLY WITH WHAT HE HAD DONE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU COULD PULL UP GOOGLE, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE 40 LAVACCA 
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AND, AND, AND GET THE SATELLITE VIEW TO SHOW, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. 
          'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS HE, HE RENOVATED THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE, UH, 3 1 41 4 0 LAVACCA, NOT 1 4 4 1 4 0. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL. 
          UM, THERE, THERE ARE CONCERNS ON, ON THE PART OF SOME COMMISSIONERS ON THE SCALE, ON THE MATERIALITY, ON THE, THE DETAILING OF WHAT'S PROPOSED AS OPPOSED, UM, I WOULD SATELLITE VIEW ON PROPERTY, I WOULD CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. 
          WE'LL SEE HOW GOES. 
          AND THEN IF IT FAILS, WE'LL LOOK FOR . 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, THE IMAGES, YOU CAN SEE THE COMPELLING, SEE THE CARPORT, UH, THAT HE HAS BUILT THERE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LINE. 
          UH, RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE OAK TREE. 
          MINE WOULD SIT TO THE LEFT OF THE OAK TREE, SIMILAR FOOTPRINT TO HIS CARPORT. 
          THAT'S BESIDE ME. 
          UH, NOT, YEAH, THE, THE NEXT ONE OVER IS HIS, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER HAS REFLECTED THAT THEY WANNA DO A ROLL CALL. 
          UM, LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES FROM HERE. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS, AYE. 
          SAVINA, AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ, NAY MORALES, COMMISSIONER, MORALES C, THAT NAY MAA CARPENTER AYE, CERVANTES AYE. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SO I GUESS THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE YOU COULD COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT COMMENTS FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMISSION. 
          AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AND, AND TALK ABOUT, UH, OTHER OPTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT. 
          YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY THOUGHTFUL PRESENTATION AND YOU CLEARLY HAVE, HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH AND YOU LOVE THE HOUSE, AND WE JUST ALL WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING FOR IT. 
          AND I, I THINK YOU MAY BE ON THE RIGHT TRAIL WITH THE, JUST THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, SOLUTION. 
          I, I JUST COULDN'T SUPPORT. 
          BUT I, I AM, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF YOU CONTINUING TO FIND THAT RIGHT SOLUTION FOR YOURSELF. 
          I HAVE A QUICK, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THAT. 
          AND THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, SHED THAT HE'S REFERENCING, IS THAT UNDER U D C GUIDELINES? I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. 
          HISTORIC GUIDELINES, I'M SORRY. 
          IS IT UNDER THEM? YEAH. 
          DOES THAT, DID HE COMPLY? DOES THE NEIGHBOR COMPLY WITH THE ASPECTS OF, WITH THE GUIDELINES WITH HIS, WITH THE CARDBOARD, THE NEIGHBOR'S CARDBOARD? YEAH, I'M, I'M SURE, I'M SURE IT CAME IN FOR PERMANENT. 
          I, I DUNNO THE SPECIFIC SPECIFICS OF THE CASE. 
          IT'S PROBABLY BEEN SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD ECHO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, VERY THOROUGH, UH, PRESENTATION AND RESEARCH. 
          AND WE, UH, APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO WORK WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC NATURE OF THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 17. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 27 7. 
          ADDRESS, TWO 14 EAST CAROLINA STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PERMANENTLY REMOVE TWO CHIMNEYS. 
          STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PERMANENT REMOVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          B AND C STAFF RECOMMENDS TEMPORARY REMOVAL, STRUCTURAL REINFORCEMENT, AND THEN RECONSTRUCTION CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          THE APPLICANT, UH, GUY CHIPMAN IS HERE. 
          HI. 
          HI, GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS GUY CHIPMAN. 
          I OWN GUY CHIPMAN CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND I WAS, UH, INVITED TO THE GEORGE RESIDENCE TO, UM, TWO OF YOU WINDOW RESTORATION AND SOME OTHER EXTERIOR WORK THAT THEY WANTED TO DO ON THE HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, IN OBSERVING THE HOUSE, THEY HAD, IT HAD BEEN REMODELED AND AN INTERIOR WALL HAD BEEN REMOVED BETWEEN THE KITCHEN AND THE DINING ROOM AS THEY'RE DOING IN SO MANY OF THESE HOUSES. 
          AND I NOTICED IMMEDIATELY THAT THERE WAS ABOUT AN INCH AND A HALF OF DEFLECTION ON THE BEAM BETWEEN THE KITCHEN AND THE DINING ROOM. 
          AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. 
          AND ALSO, I NOTICED THAT THE, THE WALLS WERE STARTING TO DISPLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT. 
          THEY WERE OUT OF PLUM ON EACH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND, UH, I WENT UP INTO THE ATTIC AND, UH, IMMEDIATELY NOTICED THIS IS RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE ATTIC LADDER, 
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THIS PILE OF, UH, CRIB SHORING, I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT TWO BY FOURS STACKED, UH, BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND THIS MASONRY STRUCTURE GOING UP THROUGH THE ROOF. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE, ON THE LEFT, THERE'S BLOCKING THAT IS, HAS BEEN KNOCKED LOOSE. 
          UH, IT'S AT AN ANGLE THERE. 
          AND ALSO ALSO THE RAFTERS IN THE AREA ARE BROKEN BECAUSE THIS MASONRY STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY LEANING PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE TO 10 DEGREES OUT OF PLUM. 
          AND IT'S PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE, UM, ON THE, ON THE ROOF FRAMING AS WELL. 
          IT, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE KITCHEN, THIS IS DIRECTLY TO THE BEAM THAT WAS DEFLECTING IS TO YOUR RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THIS IS DIRECTLY BELOW IT AT THIS STRUCTURE IS NOT ON ANY KIND OF BEAM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S SITTING ON MAYBE THE TWO BY SIX CEILING JOIST ONLY. 
          AND THAT'S A LOT OF MASS, UH, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 1500 POUNDS OF BRICK SITTING ON TWO BY FOUR FRAMING AT, WHICH IS ALSO NEXT TO THE BEAM, WHICH IS DEFLECTING THE BEAM. 
          UM, AND SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HOW H D R C IS ABOUT CHIMNEYS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. 
          UM, AND SO I CONSULTED LAWRENCE CALVET STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND HAD HIM COME OUT AND VIEW THE PROJECT. 
          AND, AND LAWRENCE, UH, STATED THAT, UM, THAT THERE IS A, A, A DEFINITE ISSUE WITH THIS CHIMNEY. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO CHIMNEYS. 
          UM, THE, THE SECOND CHIMNEY IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          THAT ONE IS ON THE WEST SIDE, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THE, THE SECOND CHIMNEY IS SITTING ON A WALL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER CONDITION BECAUSE THE LOAD COULD TRANSFER THROUGH DOWN, DOWN TO BELOW. 
          BUT I ASKED MR. CALTY ABOUT IT, AND HE SAID, I, WELL, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT BOTH CHIMNEYS BE REMOVED BECAUSE, UM, UH, A CHIMNEY IN AN ATTIC OR A MASONRY STRUCTURE IN THE ROOF OR ABOVE THE LIVING AREA OF A HOME NEEDS TO BE SUPPORTED WITH STEEL, STRUCTURAL STEEL, WHICH TRANSFERS THE LOADS DOWN THROUGH THE BUILDING. 
          HE SAID IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, UH, A FIRE PERSONNEL COULD BE ENDANGERED BY THIS MASSIVE MASONRY THAT IS ONLY SUPPORTED BY WOOD FRAMING. 
          AND, AND ALSO HE NOTED THAT THE, THE CEILING FRAMING OF THE BUILDING WAS NOT ADEQUATE TO, TO SUPPORT THAT CHIMNEY OVER THE KITCHEN AS WELL AS HE RECOMMENDED THE REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY OVER THE, UH, THE BATHROOM AREA BETWEEN THE BATHROOM AND BEDROOM. 
          UM, THERE'S THREE CHIMNEYS ON THE HOUSE, UH, A MAJOR FIREPLACE IN THE FRONT. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS, UH, TWO CHIMNEYS IN, IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH, UH, IF YOU GET IN THE RIGHT SPOT ON THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THE CHIMNEYS. 
          BUT THERE'S, UM, VERY LITTLE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE CHIMNEYS FROM THE STREET. 
          AND I THINK I HAD SOME, SOME PICTURES OF THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET AS WELL. 
          YEAH, YOU SEE THERE'S THE, THE CHIMNEY AND FIREPLACE, WHICH IS GONNA REMAIN. 
          AND I THINK, AND MAYBE I HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE, AND TO REITERATE THIS IS REMOVAL OF TWO CHIMNEYS OUT OF THREE, RIGHT? THIS CHIMNEY HERE IS GONNA REMAIN AS IS AND HAS NO PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, WITH IT, ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          AND THEN, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S THE CHIMNEY THAT'S LISPING SO, SO BAD, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THEN THAT'S THE EAST CHIMNEY THAT'S ON THE WALL BETWEEN THE, UM, BETWEEN THE TWO BEDROOMS. AND, UM, SO I JUST, UM, THESE FOLKS WOULD LIKE, UH, UH, MR. GEORGE, UH, HIS ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY, HE, I MET WITH HIM BEFORE HE TRANSFERRED OVER, UH, TO KOREA. 
          AND HIS WIFE IS HERE AT THE HOUSE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UH, DO SOME WORK STORING THE HOUSE. 
          UM, THERE'S GONNA BE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK. 
          THE, THE ROOF IS DEFLECTING PROBABLY AN INCH AND A HALF OR TWO INCHES BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT OF THIS MASONRY STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE THE MASONRY, REBUILD, REFRAME THE ROOF, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO TO CORRECT THE OUT OF PLUMB WALLS. 
          UM, SO THEY'VE GOT SOME MA AND THEY WANNA RESTORE THE WINDOWS AND DO SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THE HOUSE. 
          SO THEY'VE GOT, UH, AND TO, TO BE FAIR TO THEM, THEY PURCHASED THIS HOUSE, I THINK EIGHT MONTHS AGO, NINE MONTHS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE MODIFICATIONS HAD BEEN MADE. 
          GO BACK TO THAT ONE. 
          I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT STRUCTURE IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF PLUM THERE. 
          BUT, UH, THE HOUSE HAD BEEN REMODELED WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT. 
          THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY CREATED A, A CODE OR VIOLATION OF, UH, H D R C. 
          UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY INHERITED ON A HOUSE THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY REMODELED BEFORE THEY PURCHASED IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? NO, 
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I DON'T THINK SO. 
          AND I MET WITH BRANDY WITH THE, UM, UH, HAPPENED TO BE LOOKING AT THE OTHER HOUSE WE'RE WORKING ON IN CAROLINA. 
          AND BRANDY WITH THE, UM, CONSERVATION SOCIETY VIEWED THE HOUSE AND VIEWED THE CONDITION. 
          AND SHE WAS, UH, IN SUPPORT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A LETTER FROM HER, BUT SHE WAS IN SUPPORT OF REMOVAL OF THE CHIMNEY. 
          UH, 'CAUSE IT DOES PROS, UH, UH, A HAZARD AND COULD, COULD INJURE SOMEBODY. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST AS THE, AS IT STANDS NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LOOKING AT THE, THE CONDITIONS AND ALSO THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS REPORT, UM, THE CHIMNEYS PROB THESE TWO CHIMNEYS PROBABLY NEED TO BE DISMANTLED, BUT, UM, UH, MR. CALTY ALSO SAYS THAT WITH, UH, PROPER STRUCTURAL SUPPORT, THEY COULD BE REBUILT. 
          AND IF, UM, THERE IS OTHER WORK PLANNED FOR THE HOUSE SUCH AS, UH, CEILING JOISTS AND ROOF FRAMING, UH, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF DISMANTLING THESE AND, UM, INCORPORATING THE PROPER SUPPORT FOR THEM TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AS YOU DO THE REST OF THE, THE STRUCTURAL WORK ON THE HOUSE. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SANTE. 
          YEAH, I DEFINITELY SEE YOUR POINT. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I THINK I'M, I, I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, IN THAT, I MEAN, HE'S GOT THREE CHIMNEYS, I THINK FROM A CALL STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD IMPACT TO THEM. 
          I KNOW THAT THE ONE CHIMNEY, THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO, HE'S GONNA KEEP OR THEY PLAN ON KEEPING IS THE ONE THAT'S MOST VISIBLE FROM THE HOUSE. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, IS THE JUICE WORTH THE WORTH, THE SQUEEZE, MAYBE FROM A DESIGN OR, YOU KNOW, FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT. 
          BUT I THINK WITH THE ONE CHIMNEY, I THINK HE STILL RE RETAINS THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. 
          BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG ON THAT. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SEV, UH, SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, WE SEE THIS MORE AND MORE, UH, FOLKS FLIPPING HOUSES AND REMODELING WITHOUT REGARD TO THE LONG-TERM STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S PART OF THAT OPEN CONCEPT THING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE LEFT WITH UNSUPPORTED, NOT JUST THE CHIMNEYS, BUT ALSO, UM, BEAMS AND OTHER ROOMS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF OTHER STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS. 
          SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE WERE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE, THAT ARE STRUCTURAL. 
          UM, I FEEL LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, PHOTOS FROM BOTH SIDES, FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THOSE CHIMNEYS ARE VERY PROMINENT, VERY SIMPLE. 
          THEY'RE VERY DIRECT, UM, IN ITS, YOU KNOW, UM, PICTURE OF THE HOUSE IN ITS PICTURESQUE WAY. 
          AND I WOULD SUPPORT AN IDEA THAT WOULD, UM, REBUILD THEM, REPAIR OR RECONSTRUCT. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO, TO REALLY CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE, UM, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE FIRST, SECOND TIME WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO THIS. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA, IN THE FUTURE, WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO A LOT OF THESE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT ARE FAILING BECAUSE OF INSUFFICIENT ATTENTION DURING THE REMODELING IS A FAUX BRICK, UH, COVERING FOR THE CHIMNEY AND ALTERNATIVE THIS, WAIT, THAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE. 
          WELL, VISUALS, THAT'S BRICK IS PAINTED. 
          SO, UH, THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION WHEN, OR THE CONCEPT OF, YOU KNOW, DOES IT NEED TO BE THE SAME THING THAT YOU'RE REBUILDING? MAYBE IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU SAY LESS BRICK? IT'S LESS HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, REMOVE MORE FROM THE ATTIC SPACE. 
          UM, MAYBE THAT FLU, SINCE THEY'RE NON-FUNCTIONAL, YOU DON'T NEED THAT FULL FIRE BRICK FLU ON THE INSIDE. 
          WELL, IT'S JUST A SINGLE WHITE MASONRY STRUCTURE. 
          THERE'S NO CLAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT NO LINER IN THERE. 
          NO, THESE WERE WOOD STOVE CHIMNEYS, PROBABLY FOR THE KIT FOR HEATING THE HOUSE. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE WOULD BE IN THE CHI KITCHEN, OKAY. 
          CHIMNEY AND A SECOND ONE BEING BACK IN TWO BEDROOMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH, I, IF, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A VENEERED SORT OF THING, I WOULD USE THE SAME BRICK AND BUILD IT THE SAME WAY. 
          WHAT YOU DO ON THE INSIDE IS LESS RELEVANT. 
          WELL, SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT, 
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IT, IT, FROM SPEAKING WITH MR. CALVE IS THAT THE MASONRY STRUCTURE NEEDS TO HAVE A STEEL SUPER STRUCTURE BUILT WITHIN THE BUILDING THAT TRANSFERS DOWN TO LOAD POINTS. 
          SO THIS REALLY MEANS, YOU KNOW, STRIPPING OUT THE INTERIOR WALLS, INSTALLING BEARING POINTS OF STEEL, TRANSFERRING THE LOAD FROM A STEEL BEAM ACROSS THE ATTIC, YOU KNOW, WHICH GOES DOWN TO A GABLE END OF THE ATTIC. 
          SO IT'S, UM, DIFFICULT TO GET THAT STEEL INTO THAT CONDITION. 
          AND, UH, I JUST THINK IT'S, UM, PROBABLY MORE THAN THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE IN THE BUDGET TO, TO INCORPORATE WITH CONSIDERING THE OTHER, UH, PRESSING CONCERNS ON THE HOUSE. 
          I'VE NOT SEEN THE, I CAN UNDERSTAND, UH, THE ENGINEER'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE STEEL. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN THE STEEL BEING USED. 
          I'VE SEEN WOOD BEING USED, SO THAT MAY BE ONE WAY TO, UH, YEAH. 
          REDUCE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I'VE SEEN STEEL ANGLES. 
          IT'S NOT STEEL BEAMS. I'M HEAVY DUTY STEEL ANGLES THAT ARE USED IN LENTILS AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND, AND EMBRACED AND NOT HAVING TO TRANSFER IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, BUT TRANSFERRING INTO ROBUST FRAMING MEMBERS THAT CAN TAKE THE WEIGHT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS HERE NOT HAVING TO RUN A STEEL TUBE COLUMN DOWN THROUGH THE FRAMING. 
          IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE UP IN THE ATTIC FRAMING THAT THE, THIS, THIS MODIFICATION NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU ADD A LOAD TO A WALL, YOU'VE GOTTA TRANSFER THE LOAD THROUGH THE WALL DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION. 
          AND YEAH, I'M, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THAT CONCEPT. 
          UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. 
          AND I THINK THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ALSO LEFT, LEFT US A DOOR OPEN TO SAY, HEY, RECON, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN RECONSTRUCT THESE THINGS, DO IT OUTTA THE AUTHENTIC MATERIAL 'CAUSE YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S THERE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, TRY TO KEEP WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT I I, I, I THINK THEY'RE, I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT. 
          I'M LOOKING AT THE VIEW WHERE I CAN SEE ALL THREE OF THEM THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE MAYBE SEEN AS MINOR ELEMENTS AND THE JUICE NOT WORTH THE SQUEEZE OR WHATEVER. 
          I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THESE, THESE HOUSES, EVEN THE, THE SMALL DETAILS KIND OF ADD UP TO THE SUM OF SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. 
          AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          THESE CHIMNEYS ARE NOT BEING USED, I'M SORRY, THEY STOP ABOVE THE CEILING. 
          SO THEY, THEY HAVE NO PURPOSE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          NONE, NONE WHATSOEVER. 
          MR. CHAIR, I, I, I, I KIND OF LOOK FOR WHAT THE TRUTH IN THE STATEMENT IS. 
          NOW, I KNOW THAT THESE CASES HAVE COME BEFORE US, AND A FIREPLACE IS REMOVED AND IS PROPOSED THAT THE BRICK REMAIN ABOVE THE, THE, UH, THE ROOF. 
          I'M, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THAT, THAT, FOR MY THINKING, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT CREATES A, A LIE. 
          IT CREATES A, A, A, IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE A TRUE STATEMENT. 
          THAT'S THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND IT HAS THESE LITTLE LIES IN IT, RIGHT? AND IT, YOU KNOW, AT THE LEVEL OF, OF, UM, LET'S SAY DUE DILIGENCE, RIGHT? WHAT THE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW IS THAT SOMEONE IN TIME ATTEMPTED TO DO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE ASKED TO DO. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD DO THAT IF THEY WEREN'T TOLD TO DO WHAT THEY DID. 
          RIGHT? AND IT'S FAILING, IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          SO IN THEORY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON COULD HAVE THIS HOUSE AND THEY COULD HAVE THE, THE, THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR THAT AND HAVE THAT DONE, AND THEN, AND THEN THEY COULD, AND THEY COULD HAVE A HARD TIME AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO FIX IT. 
          AND THEN IT LIGHTS ON FIRE, AND THEN THE FIREMAN GOES IN THERE AND THE WOOD BURNS, IT'S HOLDING IT UP, AND THEN ALL THAT BRICK FALLS ON A FIREMAN, RIGHT? UH, AND, AND IT DOES IT TO, TO SUPPORT A LIE, RIGHT? THERE IS NO FIREPLACE IN THERE, RIGHT? SO IF IT'S ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF, OF THE, OF THE CONSTRUCT, AND ITS, AND ITS INTEGRITY, WELL, ITS INTEGRITY IS ALREADY FAILING. 
          BUT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE SPIRIT HAS MEMORY, RIGHT? THAT, THAT A FULL OR, OR AN ABSTRACTED, UH, ELEMENT ABOVE THE ROOF, UM, THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED OUT OF, UM, UH, AN ARRAY OF MATERIALS, UH, WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. 
          BECAUSE IT'S JUST REALLY AT, AT THE POINT OF, OF, OF, UH, PERCEPTION, UH, REALLY MORE ABOUT SILHOUETTE. 
          THAT IT IS ABOUT MATERIALITY BECAUSE THE MATERIALITY SPEAKS ABOUT THE, THE FIRE OR THE HEAT, THE, THE, THE EMISSION OF OF SMOKE, RIGHT? ALL THOSE THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT AREN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO IN, IN, IN THAT WAY THAT THE RATIONALE BEHIND ABSTRACTING THIS IN A LIGHTER, LIGHTER WEIGHT, UH, WITH A LIGHTER 
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WEIGHT OUTCOME, ISN'T ABOUT FAKING THE SYSTEM SO MUCH AS IT'S ABOUT RESPONDING TO THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE WITHOUT ADDING A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS TO IT. 
          THAT, THAT ALSO CREATE AN EVEN GREATER LIE. 
          IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE HAVE THIS LIE, BUT IN ORDER TO, TO SECURE THIS LIE, WE HAVE TO CREATE A COUPLE OF OTHER LIES. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOW LIES GO, THEY JUST KEEP GOING AND GOING. 
          SO, SO IT SEEMS THAT THIS SHOULD BE MOVING MORE IN THE DIRECTION OF, OF THE TRUE STATEMENT THAT THE HOUSE IS, AND THE HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE THOSE TWO FIREPLACES. 
          SO THEN IT BECOMES MORE ABOUT THE, TO ME. 
          BUT THE VISUAL, THE ABSTRACTION, THE, THE OF, OF, OF WHAT REALLY, UH, I THINK BECOMES THE, THE VISUAL EXPERIENCES IS JUST THE SILHOUETTE. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO, TO, TO HAVE THIS, UH, PROJECT AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW ONE ADAPTS A FAILING STRUCTURAL SITUATION INTO ONE THAT, AND IT CELEBRATES SOMETHING THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, DOESN'T CREATE A LIE, BECAUSE YOU CAN POINT AT IT AND YOU CAN SAY THAT'S, THAT'S A FULL, THAT'S, THAT'S A, UM, UM, AN OUTCOME OF PRESERVING A, A SILHOUETTE AS OPPOSED TO PRESERVING A MATERIALITY THAT SERVES NO PURPOSE IF FROM ITS MATERIAL SENSE, RIGHT? SO I, I THINK WITH THE GENTLEMAN, UH, UH, UH, UH, SET A SECOND AGO ABOUT PERHAPS A, UM, UM, A, A FULL, UM, AND I WOULD GO A LITTLE FURTHER TO, TO JUST KIND OF A GENERAL, UM, ABSTRACTION, SAME DIMENSION, SAME HEIGHT, AND THEN THEY CAN DEAL WITH THE WEATHERPROOFING ISSUE, UH, CREATE A, A, A SYSTEM. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. 
          BUT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A, UM, A FAILING STRUCTURAL SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LAWRENCE CALVE AND HIGH STEAM. 
          UH, I'M, I'M SURE THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE WITH RESPECT TO STABILIZING IT OR STABILIZING SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER GONNA BE A FIREPLACE. 
          OKAY? I MEAN, BECAUSE AT THE, AT THE OTHER END, MR. CHAIR, WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS FOR YOU TO PUT THE FIREPLACES BACK, RIGHT? BUT YOU'RE GONNA PUT THE FIREPLACES BACK, SO WHY NOT GO THE DISTANCE WITH LET'S PRESERVE THE SILHOUETTE AS OPPOSED TO MATERIALITY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTION? COMMENTS, OR HERE WE HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SOMEONE STARING DOWN NORTH KOREA, THE LAST THING HE NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT IS A CHIMNEY THAT'S, THAT'S NON-FUNCTIONAL. 
          SO I'M GONNA MOVE THAT. 
          I MAKE A MOTION THAT HE BE ALLOWED TO KEEP A SILHOUETTE AND KEEP HIM WITH THE, UH, COLOR AND STYLE OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THAT HIS TWO CHIMNEYS THAT ARE NOT IN OPERATION AND NOT USED, UH, UH, HE'D BE ALLOWED TO MODIFY 'EM OR, OR TAKE 'EM DOWN AS, AS, AS NEEDED. 
          UH, I'D SECOND THAT CHIMNEY. 
          BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, RETAINING THE PROFILE, UH, CORRECT, THE SILHOUETTE, THE PROFILE, NOT NECESSARILY THE MATERIAL. 
          I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I, UM, I, UM, IN, IN LISTENING TO THE APPLICANT AND LOOKING AT WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDING, I, I, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT, UM, UM, REMOVE TEMPORARILY REMOVING STRUCTURE AND REINFORCING IT, UM, WAS SEEN TO BE THE BEST THING TO DO IN THIS SITUATION. 
          SO I, UM, I EXTENDED AS A MOTION A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, BUT, UM, I WILL NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT MOTION. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION HERE. 
          I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT, AND THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I, I JUST WANNA PUT US ALL IN OUR OWN HOUSES, OKAY? IF, IF I PROPOSED THAT WE SU THAT WE SUSPENDED 1500 POUNDS ABOVE ANY, ANY RANDOM SPOT IN YOUR HOUSE, FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL EXCEPT TO PRESERVE OUR MEMORY, UM, I THINK THAT'S THE REAL CONSIDERATION, IS WHEN, WHEN THERE'S A FIREPLACE THAT HAS A CHIMNEY, THE CHIMNEY HAS A PURPOSE TO GET THE HEAT AND THE SMOKE OUTTA YOUR HOUSE, THAT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          EVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE CHIMNEY ABOVE THE ROOF IS REGULATED, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL FOLLOWING REGULATION. 
          I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF YOU TOOK A BUILDING BEFORE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PROPOSED TO SUSPEND 1500 SQUARE, 1500 POUNDS IN THE CENTER OF YOUR HOUSE FOR NO REASON AT ALL THAT YOU, THAT, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO AROUND CIRCLES AND DISCUSSION AS TO WHY THAT IS A DANGEROUS THING TO DO IF YOU REALLY HAVE NO PURPOSE FOR DOING IT. 
          AND I, I KNOW SPIRIT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THE SPIRIT OF PRESERVATION, ALL THAT, I, I DON'T WANT TO, TO GIVE YOU WRONG IMPRESSION, THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND 
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ALL THAT. 
          I, I JUST THINK THIS IS A SITUATION THAT SHOWS YOU THE, THE TRUTH AND THE STRU STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF, OF THAT THEORY TO BEGIN WITH. 
          BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A STRUCTURAL LETTER. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT REALLY DOESN'T, MIGHT, MAYBE IT DOESN'T WORK IN ALL CONTEXT. 
          PARTICULARLY WE HAVE TWO BY FOUR FRAMING OR, OR BASIC TWO BY SIX FRAMING. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS NAY. 
          SAVINA NAYYY VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES AYE. 
          UCA AYE. 
          UH, CARPENTER NAY. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER NAYYY. 
          THAT IS MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF, UH, TEMPORARY REMOVAL OF THE, THE TWO CHIMNEYS, PERMITTING THEM TO DO THE STRUCTURAL REINFORCEMENT REQUIRED AND TO RECONSTRUCT THEM AS PER THE, UH, THE CITY GUIDELINES. 
          SECOND, HAVE A MOTION, SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          AND HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          OH, YES MA'AM. 
          CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          YEAH. 
          I'M SIMON GEORGE. 
          UM, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE AND . 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, ON BEHALF OF MY HUSBAND, ME, UM, WE CAME INTO THE SITUATION, WE HAD TWO INSPECTIONS DONE. 
          WE A INSPECTION AND A PRIVATELY PAID INSPECTION PRIOR TO BUYING THE HOUSE. 
          NO ONE SAW THAT ISSUE. 
          WE WERE NOT EVEN AWARE THAT THERE WERE TWO MORE, UM, GYMS AT THE HOUSE AT ALL. 
          AND SO, COMING INTO THAT KNOWINGLY THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE RENOVATION DONE ON WINDOWS, THE FOUNDATION ITSELF, SO ON SO FORTH, WE DID NOT COUNT FINANCIALLY ON SUPPORTING A STRUCTURE. 
          WHAT HAS NO SENSE OTHER THAN A VISUAL ASPECT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH OBVIOUSLY CAN BE PRESERVED IN A MUCH LOWER COST OPTION FOR US. 
          SO WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET ANYTHING DONE WITH, WITH METAL OR REMOVING THEM. 
          WHERE ARE WE GOING TO LIVE? WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? SOMETHING? WHAT WAS NOT COST BY US. 
          WE ARE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          WE CANNOT, WE ARE NOT WEALTHY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND, AND MR. MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, I KNOW. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL IN DISCUSSION. 
          I I WANNA MAKE THIS BE VERY, VERY, UH, UH, EXHAUST. 
          EXHAUST, UH, EXHAUST. 
          THE, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING THE SOLUTION IS. 
          THE SOLUTION IS WHAT, WHAT THE MOTION IS, IS TO RECONSTRUCT THE TIP STUB OF A CHIMNEY THAT SERVES NO CHIMNEY PURPOSE. 
          THEREFORE IT IS NOT A CHIMNEY. 
          SO IF IT'S NOT A CHIMNEY, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A CHIMNEY, THEN IT, IT IS A, UM, IT IS A FAKE CHIMNEY, BUT IT CAN'T BE MADE OUT OF FAKE CHIMNEY MATERIAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE MADE OUT OF REAL CHIMNEY MATERIAL. 
          SO WE'RE MAKING A FAKE CHIMNEY OUT OF REAL CHIMNEY MATERIAL THAT WILL NOT, WILL NOT SEND SMOKE OR HEAT OUT OF THE HOUSE. 
          HOUSE. 
          YES SIR. 
          YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT. 
          SOYE, I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR A VOTE PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ, UH, IS THERE A, IS THERE A, A PROTEST VOTE OR IS THAT, OR IS THAT NO. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO LIKE PROTEST THAT TO SAY, I PROTEST THIS VOTE BEYOND NO, IT'S WORSE THAN NO. 
          IS THERE A VOTE WORSE THAN NO. 
          YOU CAN ABSTAIN. 
          OKAY, I'M GONNA ABSTAIN. 
          ES UH, NAY MAZUA CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES NAY 
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AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          THAT'S FOUR. 
          FOUR. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I, I MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSTRUCT A FAKE CHIMNEY IN A MANNER THAT IN A LIGHTWEIGHT, UH, WITH LIGHTWEIGHT OPTIONS MIMICS THE LOOK OF THE FIREPLACE AS IT IS IN ITS ENTIRETY. 
          WHETHER THAT BE THE USE OF VENEER BRICK ON THE OUTSIDE OF A, OF A, OF A MATERIAL THAT CAN ACCEPT THAT VENEER BRICK. 
          BUT THAT IT'S, THAT, THAT IT'S ENABLED TO ACHIEVE THE, THE LIGHTEST WEIGHT OPTION POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT MATCHING THE EXACT SAME DIMENSIONS AND END OF MOTION. 
          MAY I ASK CLARIFICATION? IS THAT FOR ALL THREE OF THEM, OR TWO IN THE BACK? TWO IN THE SHORT ONES? JUST THE INTERIOR. 
          JUST THE, JUST THE INTERIOR SUPPORTED ONES? YEAH, JUST THE INTERIOR FIREPLACES. 
          I BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN INTENT TO KEEP THE ACTUAL FUNCTIONAL ONE THAT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S, THEY WANNA KEEP THAT ONE. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE OR SUGGEST IF, IF THIS PASSES, UM, WOULD THAT VENEER MATERIAL NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF BEFORE WE COULD ADD THAT STIPULATION THAT, THAT THAT'S REVIEWED BY STAFF PRIOR TO APPROVAL? WELL, UH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. 
          BE TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE. 
          EXPECTED AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION SINCE WE'RE, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          IT IS POSSIBLE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT TO USE A THICKER, A THINNER BRICK. 
          RIGHT? SOMETHING LIGHTER. 
          I MEAN, THE MATERIAL, THAT WOULD JUST BE IF IT'S NOT OKAY. 
          SO YOU CAN USE EXISTING BRICK, CUT 'EM IN HALF AND PUT 'EM UP THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          I WOULD SAY MY CONCERN WAS TOO EXPENSIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          MOTION. 
          MOTION IN A SECOND AND MY FURTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO LOOK LIKE BRICK. 
          IT NEEDS TO HAVE THAT THICK, THE THICKNESS AND THE TEXTURE, THE, THE MODULARITY OF THE MATERIAL. 
          YOU MAY FIND AS WE WERE JUST TALKING, THAT THAT MAY EVEN BE A MORE EXPENSIVE ROUTE THOUGH, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DISCUSSION. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MORALES. 
          AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES. 
          IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS FOR THE, UH, H D R C? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          YOU JUST GOT YOUR WAY THOUGH. 
          WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO APPEAL IT? YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEEDED. 
          YOU JUST GOT YOUR WAY. 
          WHY, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO APPEAL IT? JUST I UNDERSTAND IF I JUST WAS THE QUE ASKING A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE, WE, WE CAVED AND WE'RE DOING FAKE CHIMNEYS NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO GET WITH STAFF ON WHAT YOU, UM, YOUR PROPOSAL IS. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18. 
          UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME. 
          I THINK THE, THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 18 IS POSTPONED. 
          UM, IS THE APPLICANT FOR 13 ALSO POSTPONING? UM, WE JUST DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR 13. 
          SO WE, WE NEED AN ACTION TO CONTINUE THAT ONE AND THEN 18. 
          DO WE HAVE THAT IN WRITING, HANNAH? IF NOT, WE DIDN'T. 
          ACTION. 
          YES, I BELIEVE THEY'VE JUST SENT AN EMAIL THAT THEY'LL POSTPONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AT THIS POINT WE JUST NEED AN ACTION FOR ITEM 13, WHICH IS ONE 19 EAST MAGNOLIA. 
          ARE THERE ANY TIME LIMITS ON IT? ANY, ANY TIME? WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO POSTPONE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, MOVE TO POSTPONE THE HEARING OF, UH, ITEM NUMBER 
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13 TO OUR NEXT, UH, REGULAR MEETING. 
          SECOND MOTION IS SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SABINO? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALE? AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND BOWMAN AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          18TH POSTPONING? YES. 
          OKAY, THEN THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU EVERYONE.
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