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          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'D 
          [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 15TH, 2022. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. 
          FISH IS ABSENT. 
          SAVINA HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ IS ABSENT. 
          MORALES HERE. 
          MASUKA. 
          HERE. 
          CARPENTER'S ABSENT GROUP HERE. 
          ANTES HERE. 
          LA IS ABSENT. 
          AND FETZER HERE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM, AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT INTERPRETIVE SERVICES. 
          JEFF, DO YOU MIND SPEAKING CLOSER TO THE SPEAKER? WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GA GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED, LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES OF FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. 
          WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. 
          THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS. 
          ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. 
          THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          THANKS, JEFF. 
          UM, TWO 
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BUSINESS ORDERS, BUSINESS ITEMS. FIRST, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 1ST, 2022 H D R C HEARING, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          OH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MEETING MINUTES. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          YOU HAVE A SECOND? YOU HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          MORALE? AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          AND THEN OUR SECOND ITEM OF BUSINESS BEFORE THE HEARING BEGINS. 
          UH, VICE CHAIR CARPENTER IS NOT PRESENT TODAY, SO WE'LL NEED TO ELECT A VICE CHAIR, UH, AS THE CHAIR WILL NEED TO RECUSE FROM AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, WE CAN DO THAT NOW AND THEN WE CAN HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE TAKE ACTION ON THAT, YOU CAN THEN RECUSE YOURSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, COMMISSIONER GROOVE FOR ACTING VICE CHAIR A SECOND. 
          UM, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. 
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THANK YOU. 
          AND IF EVERYONE 
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COULD DIRECT THEIR ATTENTION TO THE SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN. 
          UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT, UH, FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS WELL AS VOICEMAILS AND OPPOSITION. 
          UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, SO WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 1 3 0 2. 
          I'LL BEGIN PLAYING VOICEMAILS NOW. 
          HI, I'M CALLING REGARDING 3 0 2 FUR DRIVE, S U R R 3 0 2 FUR DRIVE AT THE CORNER OF FERN VUM. 
          MY NAME IS LAURA CAMPA. 
          I LIVE AT 3 0 6 FUR DRIVE. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2001. 
          UM, MY HUSBAND GREW UP AT THREE 18 FOR DRIVE FOR MY EX-HUSBAND, UM, FROM 1965 AND THEY WERE THERE UNTIL 2015. 
          UM, MY BEST FRIEND FROM ST. 
          ANNE'S GRADE SCHOOL GREW UP IN THE FIRST HOUSE ON FUR AND I HAVE COUSINS ON FUR, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STREETS. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE DECONSTRUCTION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE GARAGE, I HAVE BEEN IN THE GARAGE BECAUSE I ATTENDED PARTIES WHEN THE PREVIOUS OWNERS LIVED THERE. 
          AND I CAN SEE THAT IT'S NOT IN VERY GOOD CONDITION AT ALL. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, SINCE THERE IS SO MUCH WORK BEING DONE ON THE HOUSE, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO JUST TEAR IT DOWN AND REBUILD ABE SOUND STRUCTURE. 
          I'VE SEEN THE WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON NEXT DOOR AND I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT IT WILL MATCH THE AESTHETIC OF THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AS FAR AS A GARAGE TO PROTECT A CAR FROM HAIL OR THE WEATHER AND THE LITTLE STUDIO OR WORK AREA IN THE BACK, AS MANY OF THESE GARAGES DO HAVE THE, WHAT USED TO BE SERVANTS QUARTERS. 
          UM, SO I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THIS MUCH MORE SO THAN A LOT OF HOUSES I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY RIP DOWN THE OLD UNSAFE GARAGE AND THEN LEAVE A CONCRETE SLAB, WHICH IS NOT VERY NICE TO LOOK AT. 
          SO, UM, MY NUMBER'S TWO TEN SEVEN TWO FIVE NINE FOUR THREE SIX. 
          HAVE YOU ANY QUESTIONS? BUT I DEFINITELY FEEL VERY SURE THAT WHATEVER STRUCTURE IS PUT UP WILL BE DONE APPROPRIATELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS SANDRA GIBSON AND I LIVE AT 2 5 1 FUR DRIVE. 
          UH, I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, UH, 4 3 0 2 FUR DRIVE. 
          UH, AND JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH APPROVE STRENUOUSLY APPROVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER AT THREE OH TWOFER. 
          UM, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE AN ADDED ADDITION TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANKS VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME PUT, GIVE YOU THIS INPUT AND HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          BYE. 
          YEAH, INDEED. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS GARY HUDMAN. 
          I LIVE AT TWO 50 MARY LOUISE DRIVE. 
          UM, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER ONE ON TODAY'S AGENDA, UH, 4 0 1, EXCUSE ME, 3 0 2 FUR DRIVE. 
          UM, I AM CALLING, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT AND THE WORK THAT HE'S GONNA BE DOING ON THIS GARAGE. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT MY MOTHER LIVES IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THIS ADDRESS AT 4 0 1 DONALDSON AND WE ARE BOTH IN SUPPORT OF THE WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, H D R C, CASE 2 0 2 3 9 3 2 DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENTS WHICH HAVE MA BEEN MADE AT 3 0 2 FUR DRIVE, WHICH HAVE BEEN EXECUTED IN A RESPECTFUL MANNER THUS FAR TO THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO RESTORE OVER 21 1 WOOD WINDOWS AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES PLAN EXECUTED AS OUTLINED IN THE CASE DOCUMENTS. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST H C R C'S SUPPORT FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, AND FOR THE CASE TO REMAIN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          UM, YES, THIS IS, UH, BUNNY RUSH. 
          UM, WE LIVE 
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AT 3 0 1 FUR ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOME THAT IS BEING, UM, REV REDONE, UM, AT 3 0 2 F. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO CALL AND GIVE MY APPROVAL FOR WHAT'S BEEN DONE. 
          THAT HOUSE, UM, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKED NICE ON THE OUTSIDE, WAS FALLING APART ON THE INSIDE AND HE'S COMPLETELY REDONE THAT AND THEY ARE NOW WORKING. 
          THEY'RE WANTING TO DO, UH, REPAIR THE GARAGE AND REDO IT. 
          UH, IT MEANS SOME RECONSTRUCTION AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY SUPPORT FOR HIM DOING THAT. 
          WE HAVE REDONE OUR HOUSE AND HAD TO GO THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORICAL, UH, BUSINESS AND, UH, IT'S NOT EASY. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, WHAT HE'S DOING AND I JUST WANT TO, UH, GIVE HIM MY SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BYE. 
          NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER 3 7 0 2 HAYES. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIG WHITTY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 3 9. 
          LOCATED AT 7 0 2 HAYES STREET. 
          WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O H P AND DRCS FINDINGS. 
          THIS APPLICANT IS A DEVELOPER THAT BUYS INVESTMENT PROPERTY TO BE USED AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY. 
          IF WE START ALLOWING DEVELOPERS TO USE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AS AN EXCUSE AS TO WHY THEY CAN'T SALVAGE AN EXISTING HOUSE OR A SECONDARY STRUCTURE WHILE THEN ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD AN ENTIRELY NEW STRUCTURE, YOU'LL BE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT THEY WILL ALL START USING. 
          IN ADDITION, THIS PROPOSED SECONDARY STRUCTURE IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S TALLER THAN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S ALSO TALLER THAN THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF IT. 
          THIS CORNER LOT IS VISIBLE TO ANYONE DRIVING ON NORTH OLIVE AND HAY STREET, AND THE MASSING WILL BE VISIBLE TO ANYONE VISITING THE PARK DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE TREES THAT ARE CURRENTLY LOCATED ON THIS PROPERTY ARE NOT SHOWN ON HIS DRAWINGS. 
          THE ONLY THING HE'S PROPOSING TO REPLACE THESE WITH IS DECOMPOSED GRANITE. 
          THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE EXISTING TREES CURRENTLY THERE IN THE BACKYARD. 
          CAN THE APPLICANT CONSIDER A SMALL EFFICIENCY APARTMENT OVER THE GARAGE, STILL GIVING HIM A SECONDARY SPACE TO RENT OUT AS A TYPE TWO SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY SINCE HE'LL BE USING ITS ENTIRE ADDRESS AS AN SS T R. 
          PLEASE SEE ATTACHED SCREENSHOTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 4 22 1 9 WEST GRAMERCY. 
          WE HAVE BOTH VOICEMAILS AND, UH, IN-PERSON SIGNUPS. 
          WE'LL DO THE VOICEMAILS FIRST. 
          MY NAME IS WILLIAM COLLINS AND I LIVE AT TWO 18 DONALDSON AND I'M CALLING ABOUT, UH, 2219 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE. 
          I DO NOT HAVE AN ITEM NUMBER FOR IT. 
          I WAS NOT GIVEN ONE ANYWAY. 
          UM, I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PERSON THAT'S BUILDING THE HOUSE, AND I LIKE THE HOUSE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE DESIGN. 
          IT'S KIND OF COOL, AS A MATTER OF FACT. 
          UM, AND I'VE GOT BOTH COPIES. 
          I'VE GOT THE COPY OF THE, UM, THE FACE OF THE HOUSE AND OF THE, YOU KNOW, BACK DESIGN. 
          UM, I'M ALL FOR IT. 
          I THINK IT'LL, I DO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOME GOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE AND SOME MODERNIZATION, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD GO DOWN OR ANYTHING. 
          UH, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY OPINION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ANDREW COX. 
          I AM A RESIDENT OF 2218 WEST WEST GRAMERCY PLACE. 
          AND I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO THE PROPOSED NEW BUILD AT 2219 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE, WHICH SHOULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY CURRENT HOME. 
          UM, I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF JENNY BAILEY AND THE DESIGNS THAT I'VE REVIEWED. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, UM, HAVE VERY SIMILAR DESIGN, UH, CONCEPTS AND NODS IS, UM, HOMES THAT HAVE, UM, A, A LOW LONG, MID-CENTURY, UM, LOOK EVEN ON THIS BLOCK, MY NEIGHBORS RYLES HAVE ONE OF THOSE HOMES AND THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD FIT INTO, UM, THE DESIGN AESTHETIC AS WELL AS, UM, CALL OUT TO SOME OF THE OTHER DESIGN CONCEPTS THAT ARE PREVALENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WOULD FIT ON THE SPACE AND WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD DETRACT OR DISTRACT FROM THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 
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THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ONE CITIZEN TO SPEAK THAT'S HERE IN PERSON. 
          BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, P O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT SEEKING TO BUILD A NEW HOME ON A VACANT LOT IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND WE NOTE THE PRECEDENCE OF TODAY'S CASE AS THERE HAS ONLY BEEN ONE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN 2005 OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT FOR INFIELD DEVELOPMENT IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT SINCE ITS CREATION. 
          THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE LAST WEEK AND PERMITTED AND PRESENTED PROPOSED CHANGES TO THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION, RESPONDING TO THE COMMENTS PROVIDED BY HD'S DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          WE APPRECIATE THEIR CHANGES AS THEY WERE SIGNIFICANT. 
          FIRST, ORIENTING THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BY ESTABLISHING A FRONT DOOR PRESENCE AND SECOND, POSITIONING THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE LOT IN A CONSISTENT MANNER MANNER. 
          WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ON WEST GRAMERCY, WE ARE DELIGHTED WITH THE DE HEINOUS BRICK FIREPLACE AND WALKWAY AND THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE NEW RESIDENTS. 
          WE SUPPORT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          HOWEVER, WE EXPRESS TWO SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO MATERIALS WHICH WE FEEL ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT'S CHARACTER AND BUILT ENVIRONMENT. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS TO BE MODIFIED, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRECEDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NUMBER ONE, THE FRONT FACADE AND THE FRONT FACADE. 
          ONLY MATERIALS TO BE MODIFIED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRECEDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE FRONT FACADE MATERIAL, UM, MAY BE EVALUATED FOR THE MASONRY VENEER OF ROCK OR STONE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE MID-CENTURY MODERN AND THE PROMINENT MASONRY CONSTRUCTION PREDOMINANTLY IN AND THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT, AS SHOWN IN ALL FIVE OF THE APPLICANTS SUBMITTED IMAGES FOR CONTEXTUAL ANALYSIS OF FRONT FACADES. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE MATERIAL OF THE ROOF ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          T P O POLY THERMOPLASTIC. 
          POLYOLEFIN IS A CONTEMPORARY APPROACH FOR A LOW SLOPE ROOF AND IS A MATERIAL USED IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          THERE IS NO PARAPET TO HIDE THIS INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR USE IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF OUR TWO CONCERNS, THE FRONT FACADE WITH A STONE MASONRY VENEER AND AN ALTERNATE ROOF MATERIAL AND A AND H DRCS MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING INFIELD DEVELOPMENT, WHICH SEEKS TO CELEBRATE THE COMMUNITY'S HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEM NUMBER 5 21 23 WEST ATCH. 
          WE'LL BEGIN WITH VOICEMAILS AND THEN MOVE TO IN-PERSON SIGNUP. 
          HI, MY NAME IS EMMA BAUGH AND I'M A STUDENT GOING INTO NINTH GRADE AT Y W L A ON ATCH, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE Y W L A BOND PROJECT. 
          I'M PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT, UM, MAKES IDEA OR HAS IDEAS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AND THE DESIGN WITH THE ARCHITECTS. 
          AND I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THE PAST YEAR WITH OTHER STUDENTS AND TEACHERS AND STAFF MEMBERS AND ARCHITECTS, UM, TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL AND TO DESIGN A NEW SCHOOL THAT IS COMPATIBLE FOR ALL PARTIES. 
          WE HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE COMMUNITY AT EVERY, UM, MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD, AND WE STARTED WITH THIS HUGE, THESE BIG DREAMS ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT COMPARED TO OTHER Y W B L A SCHOOLS AND OTHER NEWER SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STATE AND COUNTRY. 
          AND A LOT OF THOSE IDEAS HAD TO BE BROUGHT BACK EVEN IF WE HAD THE MONEY BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS AND CRITICISM, UM, CONSTRUCTIVE AND NOT FROM OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PLEASE ALL PARTIES, UM, BECAUSE WE DO WANT THE SCHOOL TO BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE HAPPY ABOUT IT. 
          BUT WE ALSO, UM, NEED TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION. 
          AND AS MUCH AS WE'VE TRIED TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, WE ARE STARTING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND WE REALLY WILL NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO HAVE A NEW SCHOOL. 
          AND, UM, OUR STUDENTS REALLY DESERVE A NEW SCHOOL. 
          WE HAVE TO WORK IN THE HALLWAY SOMETIMES BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH SPACE AND THE HEATER OR THE AIR CONDITIONING IS CONSTANTLY JUST TURNED OFF AND THE WINDOWS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT AT ALL, SO WE AREN'T ABLE TO CONSERVE ANY ENERGY. 
          SO OUR AIR CONDITIONING IS CONSTANTLY LOST BECAUSE JUST ESCAPES THE WINDOWS AND OR HEATING IS ALSO CONSTANTLY LOST, AND THE WINDOWS ARE ALSO SO WEAK THAT, UM, WE WOULD BE LIKE THE WASPS WOULD GET IN. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM AT OUR SCHOOL 
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AND WE ALSO JUST HAVE BEEN WORKING SO HARD, ONE OF THE TOP SCHOOLS IN THE NATION, AND WE REALLY JUST DESERVE A, UM, A NEW BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ASHLEY CASH AND I AM CALLING ABOUT THE Y W A BOND PROJECT LOCATED AT 2123 WEST ASH AVENUE. 
          I SERVE AS THE MASTER SCHEDULER FOR OUR CAMPUS, WHICH MEANS I AM THE ONE IN CHARGE OF PUTTING ALL OF OUR TEACHERS IN CLASSROOMS, MAKING SURE ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS HAVE A SPACE IN WHICH TO FUNCTION. 
          UH, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE REALLY HAVE NOT HAD THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, OUR GROWING Y W A COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND I REALLY AM LIMITED IN WHERE WE CAN EVEN PLACE, UM, CLASSES AND STUDENTS AT THIS TIME. 
          WE HAVE TO HAVE CLASSES IN OUR CAFETERIA. 
          WE HAVE CLASSES IN THE OLD TEACHER'S LOUNGE IN THE CAFETERIA. 
          WE HAVE CLASSES ON OUR STAGE, WHICH MEANS IT'S LIMITED, YOU KNOW, TO HAVING ASSEMBLIES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE HAVE, UH, ROOMS THAT LONG AGO WERE DIVIDED IN HALF, BUT DIDN'T GET A FULL WALL SO THAT WE'RE LIMITED IN IN OUR USE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          WE HAVE, UM, A LOVELY OUTSIDE FACADE DEFINITELY, BUT ON THE INSIDE, UM, THE BUILDING HAS JUST LAYERS AND LAYERS OF, UM, JUST CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS JUST MAKING DO WITH THE SPACE HERE AND THEN DIVIDING THINGS AND CUTTING THEM UP WITH, YOU KNOW, 1970S WOOD PANELED WALLS AND 1980S DROP CEILINGS NOW SO THAT THE INSIDE REALLY DOESN'T REFLECT THE HISTORICAL ENERGY, UM, THAT THIS PLACE REALLY HAS AND HOW MUCH IT MEANS TO OUR STUDENTS. 
          WE, WE NEED UPDATE UPDATED FACILITIES. 
          OUR CLASSROOMS ARE TOO SMALL, WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND WE NEED TO EXTEND WHAT WE'RE, UM, ABLE TO USE AS SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THAT WE CAN FULLY ACCOMMODATE ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS. Y W A IS A HOME AWAY FROM HOME FOR OUR STUDENTS, AND THEY ARE HERE FROM EARLY IN THE MORNING UNTIL LATE IN THE EVENING, AND WE REALLY NEED A SPACE THAT MATCHES THE ENERGY THEY PUT INTO THEIR LEARNING. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE PUT IN TO THEM AS STUDENTS AND, AND RIGHT NOW WE SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THAT SPACE. 
          I ALSO HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT THE JUST INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS AND THE LACK OF A SOLID PERIMETER AROUND US, WHICH THE NEW BUILD WILL ADDRESS. 
          UM, JUST GIVEN, YOU KNOW, RECENT EVENTS IN OUR STATE ALONE. 
          UM, SAFETY IS A CONCERN FOR ME AS A PARENT OF A Y W W STUDENT AND THEN ALSO AS A STAFF MEMBER HERE AS WELL. 
          AND WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF VULNERABILITIES IN THAT RESPECT THAT ALSO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WHICH THE NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES. 
          I'M ALSO ON THE ADVISORY BOARD, UM, FOR THE BUILD AND WE HAVE REALLY WORKED TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS. 
          UM, BUT THEY, THEY CONTINUE TO JUST COME UP WITH ITEMS AND, AND JUST NOT BE HAPPY WITH, UM, THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HAPPEN. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE REALLY HAVE A DESIGN ALL OF THESE IDEAS AND ADDRESSES OUR NEEDS AND, AND WE NEED TO GET MOVING ON THAT. 
          SO I HOPE THAT, UH, YOU WILL APPROVE THESE CHANGES TO MAKE THIS, UM, SPACE THAT I LOVE SO MUCH, UM, EVEN BETTER, UM, FOR OUR STUDENTS AND OUR FAMILIES THAT WE SERVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          THIS IS DELIA MCLAREN, M C L E R R A N ADDRESS, 11 4 2 7 RAINDROP DRIVE, 7 8 2 1 6 1 6. 
          I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE Y W A BOND PROJECT AT 2123 WEST SATCH. 
          I AM THE HEAD OF SCHOOLS AND AM IN, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGN AND THE PROJECT. 
          WE HAVE HAD, UH, GREAT STAKEHOLDER INPUT WITH COMMUNITY MEETINGS. 
          THE ARCHITECTS HAVE DONE, UH, GREAT EFFORTS TO REVAMP THE DESIGN IN ORDER TO MEET COMMUNITY EXPECTATIONS. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I HOPE THAT YOU FIND THIS PROJECT, UH, IS ALIGNED WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. 
          AND I'M AVAILABLE AT 3 6 1 8 1 5. 
          GOOD DAY. 
          MY NAME IS MARIA VANESSA SABRIA, AND I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO HD RC, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 8 5. 
          I LIVE IN A MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT AT 2030 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE, AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE Y W L A, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 2123 ATCH AVENUE. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS APPEARS TO BE OUR LAST CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE BOND PROJECT DESIGN IN MID-JULY. 
          SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT MY REMAINING BIGGEST CONCERN, THE EXTERIOR DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT THE ARCHITECTS HAVE COME TO SEE THAT THE CLADDING AND GARISH COLORS INITIALLY PROPOSED FOR THE EXTERIOR OF THE NEW STRUCTURE DID NOT FIT THE HISTORIC CAMPUS AND ITS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SWITCH TO STUCCO AND THE USE OF WARMER COLORS. 
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WHAT I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW IT CONTINUES TO LOOK LIKE AN OFFICE BUILDING SEEKING TO DOMINATE RATHER THAN COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC BUILDING DESIGNED BY THE RENOWNED ATLEY B AYERS. 
          EVEN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, MR. AYERS BETTER UNDERSTOOD WHAT MADE FOR OR AND ORGANIC INVITING PUBLIC BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE APPRECIATED FOR A CENTURY AND BEYOND. 
          TWO THINGS WHICH STAND OUT TO ME ARE THE WINDOWS WHICH SEEM FAR TOO TALL, FLAT WIDE. 
          THEY DON'T SIT ON A PEDESTAL, THEY HAVE NO DEPTH. 
          THEY'RE SIMPLY BIG SHEETS OR GLASS, AS IF ON AN OFFICE BUILDING SIMPLY SOLACE AND TO THE EXTERIOR WALLS WHICH HAVE NO DEPTH. 
          EVEN THE MOST RECENT ADDITION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE BAND BUILDING WITH THIS LACK OF WINDOWS, DOES A FAR BETTER JOB OF MARRYING ITSELF TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DECO STRUCTURE. 
          IN CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE H C R C FOR PUSHING BACK ON THE REPLACEMENT OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS AND THE REMOVAL OF THE STATUESQUE CYPRESS TEETH AS IT APPEARS THEY HAVE BEEN SAVED. 
          I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU CAN INFLUENCE RECONSIDERATION OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE NEW STRUCTURE SO THAT IT COMPLIMENTS RATHER THAN DOMINATES A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC CAMPUS AND HELPS MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE ITS RESIDENTS TAKE PRIDE IN BEING CARETAKERS OF OUR HOME FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          GOOD DAY. 
          WE HAVE THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE SIGNED, THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON. 
          UH, WE'LL BEGIN WITH BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, M P N A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DRAG GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND MP A'S BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE $50 MILLION OF INVESTMENT APPROVED BY THE VOTERS COMING TO THE YWA L A CAMPUS. 
          WE HAVE ATTENDED TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ONE HELD JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND THANK S A S D FOR SENDING MAILERS TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          FOR THESE TWO MEETINGS FOR THE PROPOSED Y W A CAMPUS MASTER PLANNING, WE SUPPORT THE SHIFT OF STUCCO IN LIEU OF THE INDUSTRIAL PANELS AND THE INTENT OF THE TWO STORIES IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE EXPRESS CONCERN WITH THE APPLICANT MISSING STIPULATIONS THAT WERE PRO, THAT WERE PROVIDED BY H D R C AND THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO I PLANS FOR THE TREATMENT OF ANY NEWLY EXPOSED FACADES BASED ON FINDINGS E AND TWO THREE E I MEAN THREE I APPLICANT SUBMIT THE HEIGHT INFORMATION FOR THE ADDITION IN THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING FOR FINAL. 
          BASED ON FINDINGS J THROUGH L, WE CONTINUE TO EXPRESS CONCERNS WITH PROPORTIONAL ISSUES OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD, WHICH APPEAR CORPORATE AND INDUSTRIAL IN SCALE AND NOT DEFERENTIAL TO THE HISTORIC PORTIONS OF THE YWA. 
          A HISTORIC CAMPUS, WE BELIEVE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PICKS UP ON THE RHYTHM OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT AS YOU MOVE HORIZONTALLY, THE VERTICAL ORDERING GEOMETRIES OF THE BUILDING ARE NOT DEFERENTIAL TO THE HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE. 
          THE WINDOWS ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE WE, UH, SATCH ELEVATION, LACK OF BASE, AND THEIR HORIZONTAL LINES BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOORS SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRAST AND DETRACT FROM THE VERTICAL DETAILS ON THE HISTORIC CAMPUS AND APPEAR LARGER AND DOMINANT TO THE HISTORIC FRONT FACADE. 
          ONCE AGAIN, NOT DEFERENTIAL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION LACKS A BASE AND DOES NOT RESPOND TO THE VERY PRONOUNCED PODIUM LIKE DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS ON THE MULBERRY ELEVATION. 
          THE WINDOWS OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE NOT, UH, ARE OF DIFFERENT PROPORTIONS, THE SCALE AND THE STYLE ON THE FIRST AND THE SECOND FLOORS, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED HEIGHT INFORMATION FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO EXPLAIN THE CHANGES IN ELEVATION WITH RESPECT TO THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE SURROUNDING HEIGHT OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. 
          THIS IS PRIMARILY A CONCERN ON THE MULBERRY SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE VERY LITTLE SETBACK. 
          THE NEW ADDITIONS ON THE MULBERRY SIDE DO NOT HAVE ANY TREES TO SCREEN THEIR MASSING WITH RESPECT TO THE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET, NOR DOES THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW PARKING LOT, WHICH IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE WEST MULBERRY ELEVATION AND IS FRONTWARD FACING TO THE FRONT OF THE HOMES ON WEST MULBERRY. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST NO ACTION ON TODAY'S APPLICATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION OF THE LIBRARY AT THIS TIME, PENDING THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE'VE MENTIONED AT THIS TIME, WE SUPPORT ITEMS TWO AND THREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          WE SUPPORT A MOTION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPRO APPRO APPROPRIATENESS FOR FINAL APPROVAL ONLY ON THE DEMOLITION OF THE 3 19 72 STRUCTURES, THE 1956 STRUCTURE, AND THE THREE SINGLE CLASSROOMS BUILT IN 2000 ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          WE DON'T WANNA HINDER THE PROCESS AND THAT'S WHY WE SECTIONED OUT THE REQUEST FOR A DEMOLITION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT WE HAVE, UH, GINA, UH, I'M ANGELO HERE IN PERSON. 
          THANKS SO MUCH FOR VOLUNTEERING 
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YOUR TIME TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I'M GINA ANGELO. 
          I'M A PARENT OF A STUDENT AT Y W L A. 
          I ALSO VOLUNTEERED AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE 2020 BOND FOR SS A I S D AND VISITED MANY CAMPUSES AS PART OF THAT PROCESS. 
          I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE ON THIS PROPOSAL. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO'VE PROVIDED INPUT HAVE IMPROVED THE PROCESS, IMPROVED THE DESIGNS, AND I APPRECIATE THEIR PARTICIPATION. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIAL REVISIONS TO ACCOMMODATE COMMUNITY AND CON CONCERNS, UM, AND PARKING TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CHANGED, CHANGED PRODUCTED ENROLLMENT, UM, SAVED THE CYPRUS TREES. 
          SO THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF ACCOMMODATION. 
          I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING. 
          THE ROOF OF A BREEZEWAY OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY COLLAPSED. 
          IN THE LAST WEEKS OF SCHOOL, YOU'VE HEARD FROM STUDENTS AND FACULTY MEMBERS ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING THAT PRESENTS PERSISTENT HEALTH AND SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          SO AS YOU CONSIDER THIS, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO OPERATE WITH A SENSE OF URGENCY TO GET THE STUDENTS THE BUILDING THAT THEY DESERVE. 
          THANK YOU, ZOE LOPEZ. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS ZOE LOPEZ. 
          I'M A RISING JUNIOR AT YOUNG MEN'S LEADERSHIP ACADEMY. 
          I AM, ONE MIGHT SAY, AN OVERLY INVOLVED STUDENT IN THE SCHOOL. 
          I SPEND COUNTLESS HOURS. 
          I ARRIVE AROUND SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING. 
          I LEAVE SOME NIGHTS AT 8:00 PM UM, I HAVE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS DEDICATED MY TIME TO NOT ONLY GETTING OUR SCHOOL ON THE BOND, BUT I HAVE SERVED AS A MEMBER ON THE PAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. 
          I HAVE BEEN WITH THE, I WORKED WITH STUDENTS, STAFF, TEACHERS, ADMINISTRATION THROUGH EVERY DESIGN OF THE FA EVERY PHASE OF THE DESIGN IN MAKING THE NEW SCHOOL. 
          AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE HAVE LISTENED WHOLEHEARTEDLY TO THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT AND COMMENTS ON THE DESIGN. 
          AND WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE THE DESIGN TO, IN REGARDS TO THEIR INPUT. 
          UM, MOVING FORWARD, LIKE MY MOM JUST SAID, MY CONCERN REMAINS LARGELY IN THE SPEED IN WHICH WE PROCEED WITH THIS. 
          THE SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS HAS BEEN PUT INTO QUESTION TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 
          WE HAD STUDENTS PASS OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THE HEAT, I MEAN THE AC WASN'T WORKING ON A HUNDRED DEGREE DAYS. 
          WE'VE HAD STUDENTS WHO ARE FREEZING MYSELF. 
          MY FINGERTIPS HAVE GONE BLUE FROM THE LACK OF HEAT IN THE SCHOOL BECAUSE THE BUILDING CAN'T RETAIN THE HEAT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TAKEN INTO QUESTION THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          WE HAVE DONE OUR BEST TO TRY AND MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. 
          I PERSONALLY LOVE HOW IT LOOKS. 
          I LOVE, LOVE THE ART DECO FEEL AND ALL THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN. 
          I URGE FOR US TO KEEP THAT BECAUSE IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND IT IS WHAT MAKES OUR SCHOOL, OUR SCHOOL. 
          BUT GOING FORWARD, IT DOES NOT SERVE US WELL IF WE KEEP THESE CLASSROOMS THAT ARE DIVIDED IN HALF BY A WALL THAT DOES NOT REACH THE CEILING OR IF THE AC DOESN'T WORK OR OUR COMPUTER LABS CONTINUE TO SHUT DOWN. 
          'CAUSE OUR SCHOOL LACKS THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THEM. 
          IF WE WANNA CONTINUE HAVING A SCHOOL THAT IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE NATIONS, IF WE WANNA CONTINUE TO HAVE A SCHOOL THAT BRINGS A WONDERFUL NAME TO THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN MAKING SURE THAT THE SCHOOL CAN SUPPORT THE STUDENTS, THE TEACHERS, THE STAFF, AND IT CAN ALSO BECOME A CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO USE ON THE WEEKENDS AND AFTER SCHOOL, AND TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR SCHOOL'S CULTURE AND COMMUNITY. 
          SO I URGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE STUDENTS AND THE STAFF AND THE FACULTY. 
          AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, REMOVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. 
          I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE ARE PULLED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE VOTE ON THE REST OF THE ITEMS AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. 
          SO, UH, ACTING VICE CHAIR GROUP WILL TAKE OVER. 
          CHAIRMAN FETZER HAS LEFT THE ROOM. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          YEAH, I MOVE THAT ALL REMAINING, UH, ITEMS FOR, UH, UH, FOR APPROVAL. 
          BE, UH, OR FOR, I'M SORRY. 
          SEE ITEMS NUMBER 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, AND 10. 
          UH, BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SET A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          A ROLL CALL. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
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VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MORALES. 
          ONE MORE TIME. 
          AYE. 
          PERFECT. 
          MAZUA AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE. 
          I SKIPPED GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 0 2 FUR ONE 30 HOFFEN 1 48 CROFTON 10 25 DAWSON, TWO 50 EAST GRAYSON 3 0 7 PEARL PARKWAY, AND 3 0 4 SADIE. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE, UH, APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY CUBA AND KIMBERLY, YOU HAVE BEEN MADE PANELISTS, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE AT THIS TIME. 
          YES, THIS IS KUBA. 
          HELLO. 
          I BELIEVE THAT, UM, UM, GABRIEL AND TONY SHOULD BE ON AS WELL. 
          UM, OUR ARCHITECT, UH, MYSELF AND MY WIFE ARE BOTH HERE. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DON'T HAVE A CAMERA, BUT, UH, WE ARE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO HAVE, UM, SOME FOLLOW UP FROM COMMUNITY CONCERNS AS WELL AS, UM, A COUPLE OF CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, TO SPEAK TO THE USE OF THIS AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP SPOKE TO OR IS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE USE IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. 
          UM, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS. 
          WHETHER THE USE IS APPROPRIATE OR INAPPROPRIATE, TIMELY OR NOT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE TAKEN UP WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ITEMS I WAS LOOKING FOR, MR. CUBA, WAS A LINE DRAWING ELEVATION FROM HAY, UH, SORRY, NORTH OLIVE STREET SHOWING THE HISTORIC HOUSE, YOUR PROPOSED A D U AND THEN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. 
          WAS THAT PROVIDED TO STAFF? YEAH, SO THAT CAME UP. 
          WE HAD SPOKEN ON THURSDAY, UM, AND I KNOW EDWARD HAD SENT ME AN EMAIL ON MONDAY. 
          I ACTUALLY WENT OVER THERE ON MONDAY. 
          WE TRIED TO SCURRY TOGETHER TO GET SOMETHING DONE FOR TODAY. 
          UM, I WENT OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND, AND KNOCKED ON THEIR DOOR. 
          THERE MUST HAVE BEEN NOBODY HOME, ALTHOUGH I HAVE MET THAT NEIGHBOR IN THE PAST. 
          UM, AND I, I DIDN'T WANT US TO GO IN THERE AND START MEASURING. 
          I CALLED TONY A COUPLE TIMES. 
          HE'S GOT AN ADDITIONAL WORKLOAD AS WELL. 
          SO WE WERE JUST NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE AN ELEVATION SHOWING THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, UM, ALONG WITH OURS IN TIME. 
          WE WERE JUST ON TOO MUCH OF A TIME CONSTRAINT, ALTHOUGH I DID. 
          UM, A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING TO, TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, AS FAR AS THE USE OF THE HOME GOES, AND THE COMMENT ABOUT ME BEING A DEVELOPER, UM, IT'S MYSELF AND MY WIFE AND WE DO OWN ONE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOUSE. 
          WE'RE NOT SOME PRIVATE EQUITY FIRM OR SOME DEVELOPMENT FIRM THAT'S BUYING UP HOUSES AND DOING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 
          I'M, I'M 34 YEARS OLD, MY WIFE IS 33, AND, UM, WE OWN, WE OWN ONE HOME. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, I DID SEND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEST I COULD DO. 
          I SENT A, A PICTURE, UM, JUST TO, TO EDWARD, UH, THAT SHOWS THE A D U THAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS AND THEIR A D U IS TALLER THAN THEIR HOME AND VERY PROMINENT FROM THE STREET AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO BRING THAT, UM, TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION AS WELL. 
          AND, AND, UH, SO I WAS NOT, MONICA, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WAS NOT, UM, I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THAT THAT DONE IN TIME, THAT ADDITIONAL DRAWING SHOWING THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME. 
          BUT I DID TRY TO PROVIDE A COUPLE PICTURES THAT THAT SHOWED THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME. 
          UH, UM, I DO THINK THAT LINE DRAWING THE TWO D ELEVATION IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PROVIDE IN THE COMING DAYS TO STAFF? I'VE, I'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, I THINK, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA BE COMPLETELY HONEST, I'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY. 
          UM, AGAIN, THIS IS IN, IN GETTING THESE DRAWINGS, DOING ALL OF THE REVISIONS. 
          UM, BASED ON OUR LAST MEETING ON THURSDAY, THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED WAS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WAS EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH THIS RENDITION THAT THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE, THE CLASSIC IDEA OF WHAT AN A D YOU SHOULD LOOK. 
          UM, WE'VE, WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR ALL OF THE SETBACKS WE'VE ACCOUNTED TO BE BEHIND, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR'S HOME, SO THAT IT'S NOT DOMINANT. 
          I, I WOULD REALLY PUSH FOR, FOR, 
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YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS GRANTING THE APPROVAL FOR THIS TODAY TO THE COMMISSION TO, TO APPROVE THIS BECAUSE I, I'VE, I THINK I, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO, TO MAKE THE COMMISSION HAPPY WITH THIS AND TO BE EXTREMELY FAIR AND, AND WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. 
          UH, MR. CUBA, I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. 
          I'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS IS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OR THE SCALE OF IT. 
          AND, AND YES, THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CON, UH, SITUATION THAN YOUR THE NEIGHBOR'S A D U THAT SITS ABOUT 50, 70 FEET BACK FROM THE STREET. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY WAS, UM, ABOUT THE GRAVEL THAT YOU'RE SHOWING IN YOUR SITE PLAN. 
          AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAD A, A BETTER DEVELOPED LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, INCLUDING ELEMENTS OF GREEN, WHETHER THEY'RE SHRUBS, TREES, SMALL TREES, BIG TREES, SOMETHING ALSO TO REPLACE THE LARGE TREE YOU'RE REMOVING IF PERHAPS SOME GREEN PLANTING WITH SOME HEIGHT COULD SORT OF AMELIORATE THAT SENSE OF SCALE, THAT ONE EXPERIENCES. 
          SO FROM THE STREET, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE IDEA THAT I'M REMOVING THOSE TREES BECAUSE I DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM IN MY LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          MY PLAN IS TO TRIM THOSE TREES BACK AND, AND SAVE THEM. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PLAN TO REMOVE THEM UNLESS I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. 
          I WOULD NOT REMOVE THOSE TREES. 
          THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL TREES. 
          AND I'VE ASKED MY GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHEN WE START THIS PROJECT TO TRIM THEM BACK AND SAVE THEM IF POSSIBLE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IDEA CAME FROM. 
          PROBABLY FROM THE SAME PLACE THAT I'M SOME DEVELOPER THAT'S BUYING UP PROPERTIES AND DOING SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S NOT THE PLAN. 
          AND THE, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN GOES, I SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY PLAN JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WAS TOLD THAT IT HAD TO BE SUBMITTED AT THE SAME TIME. 
          I AM 100% OPEN TO ANY STAFF OR COMMISSION APPROVAL TO DOING ANY SORT OF LANDSCAPING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD RECOMMEND. 
          THAT IS NOT A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          AND I'M OKAY WITH PUTTING IN SHRUBS, TREES, ANY RECOMMENDATIONS I WILL TAKE AND I WILL UPDATE. 
          UM, AND, AND I WILL, I WILL APPLY THOSE TO OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF QUICKLY. 
          UM, UH, PAGE 16. 
          PAGE 16, IN THE P D F, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THAT SITE PLAN ALSO AS A LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          IS THERE A DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE PLAN IN THIS SET? THERE'S NOT A, A DEVELOPED LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THAT STAFF HAS RECEIVED THAT WE'RE AWARE OF. 
          UH, SO IF, IF THERE'S ANY REFERENCE TO A SITE PLAN THAT NOTES ANY TYPE OF LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS, TH THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT, THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO NOTE AS WELL, THAT YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR, I HAVE MET THE NEIGHBOR AT 8 1 8 NORTH OLIVE. 
          UM, SHE HAS EXPRESSED, UH, THAT, THAT SHE IS VERY EAGER FOR US TO START AND REMODEL BECAUSE SHE LOOKS OUT OF HER KITCHEN WINDOW AND SEES THE DILAPIDATED GARAGE THAT'S THERE, AND SHE'S BEEN LOOKING AT IT FOR YEARS. 
          SO I DID JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT, THAT WE DO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT NEIGHBOR. 
          I HAVE SPOKEN TO HER IN THE PAST ON WHAT HER PLANS AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING. 
          SO JUST AS A SIDE NOTE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND TO, AND TO WRAP THIS UP, UH, THE SITE PLAN DOES NOT SHOW THE TREE. 
          SO THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE TREE HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          THE SITE PLAN ALSO SHOWS THE ENTIRE AREA TO THE WEST OF THE A D U AS BEING DECOMPOSED GRANITE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THAT INFORMATION COMES FROM. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO ADD SOME, UM, LANDSCAPING THAT HAS SOME HEIGHT, UH, TO HELP AMELIORATE THAT BUFFER BETWEEN NORTH OLIVE AND YOUR A D U. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I, I AM 100% OKAY WITH THAT STIPULATION COMMISSIONER GROUP? YES. 
          AND, UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UH, I, I NOTICED I'M READING ALSO THROUGH THE CASE AND I'VE SEEN IT. 
          I MEAN, THIS APPLICANT HAS REALLY GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK AN LANDSCAPING PLAN IS ACTUALLY ONE REQUIREMENT, BUT I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT BEING A STIPULATION OR EVEN A STIPULATION SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK, UH, BEFORE DOING ANY LANDSCAPING TO COME BACK AND GET APPROVED, A FULL LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          UH, BUT IF NOT, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT AS PRESENTED TODAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. 
          I JUST HAVE A SMALL QUESTION HERE AND, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING IT. 
          UH, YOU PLAN ON KEEPING THE CHIMNEY RIGHT? THAT THAT'S THERE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF LINE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT DOESN'T SHOW IT ON YOUR RENDERING. 
          IT SHOWS IT'S STOPPING BELOW THE ROOF LINE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT GO WHERE IT SHOULD, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          ACTUALLY, NO. 
          THE, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, FIREPLACE IS CAPPED AT THE, UH, THERE, THERE IT IS CAPPED AT THE, AT THE ROOF LINE. 
          THE, THE EXISTING FIREPLACE IS CAPPED. 
          OKAY. 
          I STAND CORRECT. 
          SO, SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT. 
          I, I'M SORRY, I I SHOULD CLARIFY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER 
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CERVANTES, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT EXACTLY THE WAY THAT IT IS CURRENTLY, THE WAY THAT IT SITS, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT CHIMNEY. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOME. 
          YEAH, I, I, I SEE THAT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, PROPOSE A COUPLE OF FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS TO THIS. 
          UM, IN, FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED A MOTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          , CAN I, CAN I INCLUDE THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS? OKAY. 
          STIPULATIONS? YEAH. 
          STIPULATE. 
          MM. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UM, A MOTION TO ACCEPT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ALSO NUMBER I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A LINE DRAWING TWO D, TWO D LINE, DRAWING STREET ELEVATION OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, THE A D U AND THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE IN CONTEXT TO SCALE BEFORE ISSUING A C O A. 
          AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST A LANDSCAPE PLAN TO BE PROVIDED TO STAFF, UM, BEFORE ISSUING A C O A AND FOR STAFF. 
          THESE, UH, DOCUMENTS NEED TO BE UPLOADED ON THE EXPLORER MAP. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAB? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MORALES. 
          AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4 22 1 9 WEST GRAMERCY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          JIM BAILEY, UH, SENIOR PRINCIPAL WITH ALAMO ARCHITECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE YOU PROCEED, LET'S READ THE CASE INTO THE, THIS WAS ON CONSENT, UH, SO AND I PULLED IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND REALLY WHAT I WANTED WAS, I WANTED TO INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT'S YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. 
          UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY COMMIT TO DOING, AND I TALKED TO BIANCA ABOUT THIS JUST A MOMENT AGO, UM, IN LIEU OF THE WHITE T P O A BROWN, UM, MODIFIED BIT, UH, COLOR TO BE DETERMINED FOR, UH, FINAL APPROVAL. 
          UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, BRING THE DESIGN INTO ALIGNMENT WITH YOUR EXCELLENT COMMENTS, WE ADDED 200 SQUARE FEET AND INCREASED THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING THAT ADDED $35,000 TO THE COST THAT WE DON'T HAVE. 
          SO OUR INITIAL RESPONSE WAS TO STRIP OFF THE STONE AND JUST PUT IT ON THE, UH, CHIMNEY, BUT WE REALLY WANT THE STONE ON THE FRONT OR BRICK. 
          AND SO, UM, WE HAVE COMMITTED TO WORKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. 
          IT MAY NOT BE THE ENTIRE FRONT FACADE, BUT WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THAT STIPULATION AND HAPPY WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS AND LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER, UH, FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND THIS IS, YEAH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO I WASN'T EXPECTING A FULL ANSWER, ANSWER ON THE DESIGN, BUT, SO I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ADD A STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT RECONSIDER THE MATERIALS OF THE FRONT FACADE, AND I THINK ALSO THE MATERIAL OF THE ROOF. 
          OF THE ROOF, CORRECT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL SECOND, I'LL SECOND THIS. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, IT IS, WITH RESPECT TO THE MATERIALITY OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, DO YOU, UH, CONSIDER THE ELEMENTS AS PRESENTED? UH, STEVE, RIGHT? STEVE IS, IS THAT STEVE THAT I'M TALKING TO THERE? UH, JIM. 
          HEY, GABRIEL. 
          JIM. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          JIM. 
          JIM. 
          HEY, HOW YOU DOING, JIM? GOOD. 
          UH, JIM, DO YOU CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US TO BE HOLISTIC TO THE, TO THE, TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING? I, I DO, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT'S NOT THE ONLY ANSWER, RIGHT. 
          THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BE TRUE TO WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING HERE. 
          WE BELIEVE IT'S, UM, TRUE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND THE PERIOD THAT WE'RE DRAWING FROM. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO, UM, RECOGNIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS. 
          AND, AND COMMISSIONER, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF, IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO STAND BEHIND SOMETHING, THAT IN ITSELF IS A, A THING IN ITSELF, RIGHT? THAT THEN IN THE FUTURE IS PURE TO THE, TO THE STATEMENT THAT, 
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THAT, UH, IF, IF, UH, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT ON THE COMMISSION, UH, TO BE MADE, UH, I, I FIND, UH, IT MORE VALID WITH RESPECT TO, TO, TO THE, TO THE STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING BECAUSE IT IS SO, SO WELL DONE. 
          UM, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE ROOF COLOR IS NOT NECESSARILY A, A, YOU KNOW, A, UM, YOU KNOW, A MAKE OR BREAK WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE EXPERIENCE, UH, WALKING THROUGH THIS. 
          BUT, UM, BY ALL MEANS, IF, IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, CAN INTERCHANGE, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT BREAKING YOUR HEART, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY COOL. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, IF, IF, IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN A PERSON EXPERIENCES IT, THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT WITHIN THE INTENT OF, OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, THAT, THAT'S THE BASE OF THE QUESTION. 
          SO IF, IF YOU, UM, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PUT, PUT YOUR HEEL IN THE GROUND ABOUT IT, I, I THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE, AS OPPOSED TO IT BECOMING SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, UH, DISPLACED FROM, FROM WHAT THE INTENT IS. 
          UM, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SECOND THE MOTION AS IT STANDS, UH, UN UNLESS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, NO, COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE AND WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY, UM, LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS BEFORE WE COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          UH, AND IF IN FACT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DISCOVERING THAT THE DESIGN INTENT IS COMPROMISED, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU'ALL WHEN WE COME BACK. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES AYE. 
          MAZUA AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, I JUST WANNA GET SOME CLARIFICATION FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          MAYBE, SEE I CAN ANSWER THIS. 
          I DON'T SEE THE GYMNASIUM, UH, SLATED FOR DEMOLITION ON THE, UH, ASSESSMENT YOU GUYS WROTE. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? AN APPLICANT TEAM? YOU'VE BEEN MADE PANELISTS, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          YES. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, MY NAME IS NICHOLAS SPRINGER. 
          I'M THE PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT WITH CURTSY ARCHITECTURE. 
          UM, AS PART OF, UM, THE LARGER, UM, THE LARGER DIAGRAM, WE HAVE SHOWN THAT THE GYMNASIUM WAS PART OF THE DEMOLITION. 
          IF YOU GO TO, THE BEST PLACE TO SEE THIS WOULD BE TO GO TO PAGE 18, WHERE EVERYTHING WEST OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING IS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION, ALONG WITH, IS THAT PAGE EIGHT ON NICOLA? THIS IS PAGE 18 OF THE CASE FILE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, CAN YOU HOLD ON? THIS IS JUST LOOKING, IF YOU GO ALL GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE THERE. 
          THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S DIFFERENT AGAIN. 
          SO THAT'S YOUR PAGE 37. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 37, UM, EVERYTHING IN GRAY, WHICH IS WEST OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, IS WHAT IS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION, INCLUDING THE LIBRARY, WHICH IS IN ORANGE, BUT HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT PICTURE. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL GYMNASIUM, OR THE CURRENT GYMNASIUM IS, UM, SLATED FOR DEMOLITION. 
          YES. 
          SO, YEAH, THE REASON I ASK THAT IS 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AS THAT BEING, UH, APPROVED FOR DEMOLITION. 
          THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THE GYM IS THAT WAS BUILT IN, UH, WHAT, 56, 57? IS THAT RIGHT? AND I MIGHT SEE, YES, IT WAS BUILT IN 1956, BUT FOR THIS CAMPUS, IT'S THE BUILDINGS OF THE 1930, UM, THIRTIES ERA. 
          SO THE PART THAT YOU SEE IN THE LIGHT BLUE THAT IS CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORICAL, UM, CAMPUS. 
          SO HISTORICALLY, I THINK THAT JIM CONTRIBUTES AS WELL. 
          I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY. 
          THAT WAS WHEN EISENHOWER STARTED HIS, UH, PRESIDENTIAL COUNCIL ON FITNESS, THAT PROMPTED THE US TO START SENDING FUNDS TO SCHOOLS AND FITNESS ACTIVITIES, UH, AT THE ACADEMIC LEVEL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF THAT GYM CAN BE REPURPOSED OR IF IT'S ACTUALLY NEED OF DE UH, OF BEING DEMOLISHED. 
          I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY STILL VERY USABLE, 
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BUT POTENTIALLY BE REPURPOSED. 
          UH, THAT IS MY CONCERN WITH THAT BUILDING. 
          IT IS, TO ME IT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND STILL USEFUL. 
          UM, SO I GUESS OUR DESIGN AND OUR, UM, AND OUR PACKET, IT HAS BEEN BASED ON WHAT O H P HAS PUT FORWARD, UM, AS, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, PREVIOUS, UM, UH, PRESENTATIONS HAVE SHOWN THAT BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EXPANSION, THAT UM, WE, WE NEED TO, UM, DEMOLISH ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE WEST OF THE, UM, EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING IN ORDER TO, UM, PROVIDE THE PROGRAM THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE CAMPUS. 
          UM, FROM A FUNCTIONALITY STANDPOINT, THE 1956 GYM, UNFORTUNATELY DOES NOT MEET THE, UM, CURRENT DATE CRITERIA, UM, IN TERMS OF FUNCTIONALITY AND DOES NOT WORK AS A GYM FOR THE STUDENTS TODAY. 
          SO TWO REASONS WHY, UM, THE GYM, UM, UM, WE, WE HAVE THE GYM HAS NOT BEEN SLATED TO REMAIN. 
          RIGHT? YEAH, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND IT DOESN'T FIT THE, THE CRITERIA FOR USE RIGHT NOW AS A GYM. 
          YES. 
          UM, MM-HMM. 
          , AGAIN, THIS IS JUST MY CONCERN IS THAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE REPURPOSED. 
          I THINK THERE'S A SIGN, UH, HISTORIC, UH, SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT BUILDING. 
          UM, SO, UH, TO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          AND, AND, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE ABOUT THE 1956 ERAS AND THE, AND THEN WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UH, ADDED ONTO SCHOOL GROUNDS IN GENERAL, AND THIS SCHOOL INCLUDED. 
          UM, THE, I THINK LOOKING AT THE, WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING THAT'S HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE WITHOUT GETTING OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, WE DO HAVE TO FIND, YOU KNOW, MORE NOT, WE CANNOT BASE THAT THERE'S HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OR CONTRIBUTING BASED ON, ON IT WOULD, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY A, A LOWER, WE USUALLY LOOK AT SEVERAL CRITERIA. 
          WE'VE DONE THAT IN OTHER PROPERTIES TOO. 
          WE NEED TO, LIKE, FINDING MORE THAN THAT. 
          UM, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MAYBE ADDED OR MAYBE SOMETHING THE PRINCIPAL, THE SCHOOL COULD BE, IS THERE A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS STORY OR THIS PART OF HISTORY COULD BE REFLECTED IN THE NEW BUILDING, THAT THERE WAS A GYM ADDED AND MAYBE THE NEW GYM COULD BE LIKE, THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE OVER ADDING THE GYM THAT WAS ADDED FIRST TIME IN 1956 BASED ON HOUSING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT COULD WORK. 
          UH, BUT I THINK WE'VE VOTED TO TEAR DOWN THINGS THAT ARE IN MUCH WORSE CONDITION. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE CONDITION OF THAT BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY AND, UM, FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT? SO THAT SHOULD BE, WE HAVE SOME IMAGES OF THE GYM ON WHAT I HAD AS PAGE 13 OF THE 405 PAGE DOCUMENT. 
          IT SHOULD BE TWO PAGES UP FROM THIS PAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE UP ONE MORE TIME. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, THESE TWO PAGES SHOW YOU SOME VIEWS INTO THE GYM. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, I WILL COMMEND THE DISTRICT FOR LOOKING AFTER WHAT THEY HAVE REALLY WELL. 
          BUT IN THE, IN THE SPACE OF THE GYM, IT IS JUST NOT FUNCTIONING AS A GYM FOR THE, THE SCHOOL NEEDS IN THE PRESENT. 
          I WILL SAY, UM, WE, UH, TO, UM, THE COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, UM, JUST PREVIOUS, THERE ARE DEFINITELY WAYS THAT WE CAN PAY HOMAGE TO THE GYM AND TO THE STORY OF MR. EISENHOWER AND THE WHOLE HEALTH AND WELLBEING. 
          AND WE CAN DEFINITELY BRING THAT INTO THE STORY THAT WE HAVE CREATED FOR THIS ENTIRE CAMPUS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED INTO, UM, THE NEW DESIGN. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          YES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I REALLY THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT RESPONSE. 
          UM, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A CAREFUL BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRESERVATION OF, OF AS, AS MUCH OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME UNDERSTANDING THE INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTION THAT THIS INVESTMENT MAKES, UH, TO THE YOUTH OF OUR, OF OUR CITY, WHICH IN TURN IS, IS OUR CITY'S FUTURE. 
          SO, UM, I, I, UH, APPRECIATE ALL OF THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE, AND, AND, AND THE, THE GREAT WAY THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT ABOUT PRESENTING THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT. 
          I, I FIND IT VERY SUPPORTABLE. 
          AND, 
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UH, UH, I ALSO WANT JUST MR. CHAIR WANNA WANT TO THANK, UH, THOSE STUDENTS THAT, THAT, UH, EXPRESSED, UH, UH, THEIR, THEIR SUPPORT AS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE LIVING, UH, CLIENTELE, UH, THAT, UH, UH, THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TOO. 
          SO, UM, I, I WANNA CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT I, I, I REALLY DO, UH, APPRECIATE THAT, THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US, UH, UH, UH, THAT WHERE, UH, THE, UH, DIF DIFFERENT ASPECTS HAVE BEEN SHADOWED INTO, UH, THE, THE, THE PROJECT, WHETHER THEY'RE, UM, UH, KIND OF, UH, TREATING THE PASSAGE ARTIFACTS WITHIN, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE ART OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. 
          IT MAYBE YOU CAN DRAW INSPIRATION FROM, UH, THE GREAT COMMENTS OF COMMISSIONER, UM, UH, UH, JIMMY AND, UH, AND SEE HOW THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE ABLE TO FURTHER, UH, UH, INSPIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING, UH, UH, STORY OF THE PAST STORYTELLING IN THE PAST. 
          RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE MY CAMERA ON SO THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT I'M AGREEING, UM, VEHEMENTLY WITH YOU, BUT ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, WE ARE, I, I THINK AS WE'VE SHOWN THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THAT WE ARE VERY WILLING TO INCORPORATE, UM, THESE IMPORTANT IDEAS AND UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND THE STORY THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE IS INCORPORATED. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE DEFINITELY ABLE TO, WE BE DEFINITELY ABLE TO DO THAT FOR SURE. 
          WELL, AND, AND FROM THE RESPONSES IN THE PAST AND HOW THOSE RESPONSES HAVE MANIFESTED IN THE DRAWINGS, I, I TAKE THE CONFIDENCE IN, IN, IN HEARING, UH, THAT, THAT YOU CLEARLY SEE THIS AS A DESIGN OPPORTUNITY, ABSOLUTE. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, UH, FURTHER, UH, A SOLUTION IN IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL PASS THE, THE FLOOR OVER. 
          YES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SOME OBSERVATIONS TO MAKE ABOUT THE FRONT ELEVATIONS. 
          I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 1 35 IN RESPECT TO COMMUNITY'S, UH, COMMENTS MM-HMM. 
           ABOUT THE APPARENT, DOMINATING IMPRESSION OF THOSE ELEVATIONS RELATIVE TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          AND I'M LOOKING THROUGH EVERYTHING, TRYING TO FIND A, A QUICK, EASY WAY TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION, BECAUSE THIS IS FOR A C O A, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE. 
          FOLLOW UP BY YOUR, UM, MS. SPRINGER, BY YOUR, YOUR, UH, TEAM AS YOU DEVELOP CDS. 
          UM, THE WINDOWS ARE THE CULPRIT HERE. 
          UH, WE HAVE A GREAT RHYTHM ON THE NEW, ON THE NEW STRUCTURE AS IT RELATES TO THE ORIGINAL. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IF THE NEW WINDOW ROUGH OPENING IS THE SAME AS THE HISTORIC WINDOW ROUGH OPENING, THE RESULT OF USING STOREFRONT VERSUS WOOD FRAME DOUBLE HUNG CREATES A REAL DIFFERENCE. 
          AND IT MAKES, IT MAKES THOSE OPENINGS LOOK FAR LARGER THAN THEY ACTUALLY MIGHT BE. 
          UM, I ALSO WAS HOPING TO SEE A, A WALL ELEVATION OR WALL SECTION, SORRY, THROUGH THOSE WINDOWS, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT I DON'T FIND ONE IN HERE. 
          UM, SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, AS YOU GUYS ARE DEVELOPING THE CD SET, CAN YOU, UM, UH, RE-APPROACH THOSE ROUGH OPENINGS AND REFINE THEM IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE DON'T GET SORT OF THIS LARGE, LARGE GAPING OPENING THAT IS TRYING TO CORRESPOND OR TRYING TO RESPOND TO THE OR ORIGINAL BUILDING? I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, UM, ALL THE, I MEAN, THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT THE EXTERIOR, WHETHER IT'S THE PROPORTIONS, UM, ET CETERA, UM, WE, WE HAVE A PATH TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'LL BE MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ELEVATIONS ARE MORE IN KEEPING, UM, THE REQUEST IS MORE DEFERENTIAL TO THE HISTORIC, UM, BUILDING DESIGN. 
          SO, UM, WE HEARD THOSE COMMENTS, AND AGAIN, WE CAN SAY, I THINK YOU CAN TRUST US THAT WE WILL MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, TO THE FACADE AND, UM, AND, AND, UM, CONTINUE AND AS YOU SAY, IN CDS TO MAKE THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO, YES. 
          YEAH, I AND MY COLLEAGUES APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, IT IS, I THINK THE WINDOWS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY, UM, THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO YOU ARE IMPORTANT TO THE, THE, UH, PROGRAM TO THE DESIGN TEAM, RIGHT. 
          AND TO THE PROGRAM WITHIN. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND, YES, WE'RE NOT WANTING TO MAKE 'EM SMALLER, BUT THIS IS A GOOD, UM, EXAMPLE HOW IF WE TAKE DIMENSIONS 
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LITERALLY, UM, THAT MAY NOT BE THE WAY, THAT MAY NOT BE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST RESPONSE. 
          SO, BUT ABSOLUTELY. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          I APPRECIATE, AND I MEAN, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT IS A TWO D ELEVATION AND A PHOTO OF A THREE D ELEVATION. 
          SO THE LIGHT AND THE SHADE AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, UM, ARE GONNA INFLUENCE THE PERCEPTION OF THE FACADE. 
          BUT, UM, WE DEFINITELY, UNDER, I, WE HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE WINDOWS, UM, HAVE THE SAME FEELING THAT, THAT IT'S NOT THE LARGE PANES OF GLASS. 
          AND AGAIN, UM, WHAT WE ARE REALLY HOPING FOR IS YOUR APPROVAL FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN UPDATE THESE DETAILS AND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY GET, GET WORKING ON, UM, GET WORKING ON MAKING THESE CHANGES, UM, FOR THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          PARDON? MAY COMMISSIONER. 
          THIS IS KEDRICK WRIGHT, DEPUTY CHIEF OPERATIONS OFFICER OF SAN ANTONIO S D YES. 
          YOU CERTAINLY HAVE OUR COMMITMENT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, AND KIRKEY TO HOPE, UH, OURSELVES AND KIRKEY ACCOUNTABLE. 
          THE TWO MAIN CONCERNS, WE CONTINUE TO, WE CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO SOLVING ARE BOTH THE BASE OR THE LACK, WHAT APPEARS TO NOT HAVE A BASE ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, UM, ADDING MORE OF A BASE, UM, LOOK AS WELL AS THE THREE DIMENSIONALITY OF, OF THE FACADE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ALSO HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY OF, WELL, LET'S SEE, A WALL SECTION, MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW, NEW, UH, FACADE HAS THE SAME, UM, I GUESS SIGNIFICANT CULTURAL DEPTH A AS THE EXISTING. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DEVELOP WITH KIRKEY AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 
          SO JUST LIKE AS NICOLA, UM, COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH IT, UM, ALSO SS E D'S COMMITTED TO, UM, MAKING THOSE CHANGES IN THOSE REVISIONS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND I WOULD, UH, CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER ENO'S COMMENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE LOOK OF THE WINDOWS AND, UM, HOW THEY NEED TO RELATE, UM, OR MAKE REFERENCE MORE TO THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. 
          ALSO, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE BY THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE, THE DETAIL WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, OR THIS ELEVATION WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW. 
          UH, THE ADDITION APPEARS TO, UH, HAVE A MUCH STRONGER HORIZONTAL, UH, EMPHASIS AS OPPOSED TO A VERTICAL EMPHASIS OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          AND SO AS YOU LOOK AT THOSE PANELS BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, IF Y'ALL WILL STUDY THAT AND SEE IF, UH, THOSE PANELS COULDN'T BE BROKEN UP, UH, VERTICALLY, UH, TO REDUCE THE HORIZONTALITY OF THE ELEVATION. 
          ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I'VE GOT ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, QUESTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IMAGE. 
          THAT'S 1 36. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I WANT TO, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE TEAM. 
          YES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT FRONT FACADE THAT WE SAW RIGHT NOW IS, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'M GRAPHICALLY, WHENEVER YOU PRESENT THE FULL FACADE OF A LONG BUILDING MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S ALL IT, I FIND THAT IT TYPICALLY TURNS INTO A STICK DRAWING . 
          I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WHAT I AM, UH, UH, SEEING IN THE FIRST, UH, THE, THE IMAGE THAT YOU SAW NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT ABOUT THE BASE MM-HMM. 
           WITH RESPECT TO THE TWO BUILDINGS READING A ALIGN ACROSS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT NOW THAT, THAT WOULD BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED, RIGHT. 
          THAT THAT, THAT THIS FACADE OR THIS STATEMENT ISN'T IN EFFECT SAYING, LOOK, WE'RE RELATED, BUT WE'RE NOT THE SAME. 
          WE'RE THE FUTURE. 
          THIS IS A PAST. 
          AND, AND THAT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, UH, THIS DRAWING VERSUS THE LONG DRAWING, PERHAPS, UH, THIS DRAWING, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS A, A, A, A, AN EXPLANATION THAT CLARIFIES, UH, I THINK THE EXPECTATION THAT SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DECO, UH, UH, UH, A DECO SOMETHING, RIGHT? YES. 
          UH, AND I, I SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO, THERE'S A BUILDING OVER HERE, RIGHT SOUTH OF THE PEARL THAT IS BEING BUILT TO THE DEPARTMENT COMPLEX, AND THEY'RE USING A DECO MOTIF. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, QUESTIONS OF, OF, OF, OF WHAT IS IT, RIGHT? IS IT AN OLD BUILDING? IS IT A NEW BUILDING? UM, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE FACADE, THE, THE PROPORTIONS, UH, AS IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY THE LINES ARE THE WAY THAT THEY ARE. 
          NOW, IF, UH, 
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YOU FEEL THAT THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE COMMISSION ALREADY ARE IN REALITY, SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK AND YOU, YOU PREFER IT TO BE THAT WAY, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT PRESENTATION OR DISCUSSION. 
          BUT, BUT IF THERE IS A STRONG PERSONALITY, UH, UH, CHARACTER OF, OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED, SAY FOR INSTANCE, FROM THIS IMAGE 1 36 OR 1 37, WOULD YOU SHARE WITH US SOME OF THE DECISION MAKING HERE AND WHAT IT IS THAT, THAT WE MAY NOT BE APPRECIATING? SO, UM, I, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS, THERE, THERE IS SOME WORK THAT WE CAN DO TO GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE BASE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THE PROPORTIONS ARE, ARE FOR THIS BUILDING ARE BASED ON THE ACTUAL FLOOR HEIGHTS AND LEVELS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS. 
          RIGHT? SO, UM, WE WILL BE COMPROMISING IN SOME WAY THE PROPORTIONS OF THE GLAZING, THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS INSIDE THE CLASSROOM AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, I, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S THINGS LIKE THE AIR CONDITIONING, THAT, THAT THE PIECE IS THICKER BECAUSE OF THE THICKNESS OF THE FLOOR SIDE, THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE MECHANICAL STUFF, HAVING TO BE ABLE TO GET ACROSS FROM THE NEW BUILDING TO THE OLD BUILDING. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE, SOME OF THE PROPORTIONS THAT ARE, UM, RELATING TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS THE OLD CONSTRUCTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT IS WHAT, UM, THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE DETAILS ARE, UM, ARE, UM, ALIGNING TO. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, NOW YOU HAD AN IMAGE BEFORE THIS IMAGE, JUST A SECOND AGO. 
          YOU WENT THROUGH YOUR IMAGES, UH, YOU HAD A A QUARTER IMAGE. 
          YEAH, I, I CAN SEE THAT, THAT THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE DONE IS YOU, THERE, THERE'S A FIN, THE ORANGE FIN THAT'S PULLED AWAY FROM THE FACADE THAT ACTUALLY CREATES A DEEPER, CREATES A DEEPER REVEAL AROUND THE WINDOWS. 
          ABSOLUTELY, YES. 
          AND MM-HMM. 
          AND, OKAY, AND THE BRIDGING HERE, IS THERE ANOTHER IMAGE THAT SHOWS US THE, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE TWO PIECES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE? UM, I THINK IN THE, IN THE LONG ELEVATION, THAT'S A 1 25, I GUESS WOULD BE THAT ONE 20 SLIDE, 1 25. 
          OH, RIGHT. 
          I GUESS YOU'RE COVERING UP. 
          BUT THE BRIDGE IS, UM, IS BASICALLY THE THING THAT'S TRANSPORTING THE MECHANICAL ACROSS THE WAY AS WELL. 
          UM, THE REQUEST THERE HAD BEEN TO BREAK THAT UP AS GLASS. 
          AND SO WITH THE, UM, THE DETAILING ON THAT GLASS, IT'S NOT THE BIG, UM, THE BIG GLASS BOX THAT WE HAD EARLIER, BUT, UM, WELL, I, SHOWING A CONNECTOR THAT IS, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I, I, I JUST K KIND OF WANNA JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE, WE ADD THIS KIND OF DIALOGUE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UM, YOU, WE TURN IT INSIDE OUT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, I SEE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, THE, THE OTHER SIDE, THE INTERIOR, WHERE IS THE COURTYARD WITH THE EXTERIOR. 
          I COULD SEE HOW THE TRANSITION CREATES A, A THRESHOLD, UH, THAT GIVES US A, A TRANSITION FROM THE, FROM THE PAST TO PRESENT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, I, I DO, I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT IMAGE, NOT THIS IMAGE, BUT THE IMAGE THAT YOU JUST SHOWED IS A VERY BAD IMAGE . 
          AND IT DOESN'T, AND IT, THAT IT, IT, IT FLATTENS THE, THE FACADE OUT SO THAT ANYBODY WATCHING IS NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND. 
          IT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          THERE WAS AN IMAGE THAT TOOK, SAY, 40 FEET TO THE LEFT AND 40 FEET TO THE RIGHT OF THE BRIDGE AND, AND PRESENTED IT IN THAT WAY. 
          BECAUSE OTHERWISE, I THINK WHAT MAY END UP HAPPENING IS THE, YOU KNOW, SAY, SAY FOR INSTANCE, ME AS A COMMISSIONER LOOKING AT IT, MIGHT TEND TO SAY, OH, NO, THAT'S NOT GONNA, THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT, BUT UNDERSTOOD, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT SEEING THE DETAIL AND, AND WE'RE NOT BEING GIVEN THE DEPTH WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE WINDOWS ARE DOING. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE, THE, THE REAL SEPARATION OF TIMELINES HERE. 
          BECAUSE IF IT WAS TO COMPROMISE ITSELF TO A WOOD WINDOW, THAT WAS MORE LIKE, IT THEN BEGINS TO INFORM ALL KINDS OF OTHER DECISIONS, AND, AND, AND IT CREATES A DOMINO EFFECT OF THE DESIGN INTENT. 
          SO I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I, I KIND OF WOULD, WOULD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONCEPTUAL AS PRESENTED, AND, AND THEN MAYBE ADD THAT, THAT THE, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, UM, UH, PRESENT, UM, UM, EXPLORATIONS. 
          UM, BUT, BUT THAT IT WOULD, THE DISCRETION WOULD BE LEFT TO THE APPLICANT, UH, EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER, BUT 
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THIS, THEY ALREADY HAVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS GOING FOR, FOR A C O A. 
          WELL, I WOULD THEN, I WOULD SUPPORT THE, I WOULD ACT TO MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, UH, BECAUSE I AS, AS SUBMITTED, WELL, LET ME JUST MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE, BY THE DESIGN TEAM. 
          BY THE APPLICANT. 
          WILL YOU ADD THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, OKAY. 
          LET ME, LET ME, MY, MY INTENT IS AS SUBMITTED BY THE DESIGN, BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP, UH, LET, LET ME LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS VERY QUICKLY. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? THE STAFF HAS IN FRONT OF US. 
          CORRECT. 
          JUST GIMME ONE MINUTE, MR. CHAIR. 
          IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? UM, LET'S GET THE MOTION AND A SECOND AND THEN FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST A NOTE, THE APPLICANT HAS REVIEWED ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND HAS AGREED TO THEM. 
          SO THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND WHAT STAFF HAS PROPOSED FOR STIPULATIONS. 
          AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, COREY, REVIEWING THE, THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS VERY QUICKLY. 
          I, I, I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, REASON TO NOT INCLUDE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO THE MOTION WOULD STAND AS SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A DIFFERENT MOTION? CAN I JUST, UH, MAYBE JUST ADD ONE THING TO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ MOTION? YES, MA'AM. 
          I, I MEAN, I, I ALMOST HATE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK AGAIN AND COME BACK AGAIN. 
          I DO, UH, ALSO HAVE LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF THE MOTHER AND THE STUDENTS AND, AND THE NEIGHBORS CALLING IN ON A, ON A, THIS HAS BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN REVIEWING THIS FOR A LONG TIME. 
          UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT THIS COULD BE APPROVED WITH SUCH STIPULATIONS, ADDING A STIPULATION THAT, UM, A REVISED VERSION OF THAT, UM, SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE WINDOWS MIGHT BE A COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION OR REVISED THE STAFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, UM, WELL, THAT, THAT, WELL, I'M ASKING MORE A STAFF THAT'S ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I WAS, UH, UH, BUT, BUT, BUT OF COURSE, GIVING MORE WEIGHT TO THE DESIGNER THAT, THAT THEY WOULD PRESENT EXPLORATIONS. 
          BUT IN A WAY, IT'S KIND OF PUTTING THE, THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. 
          I, I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S, I'M JUST ASKING STAFF IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PUT ON YOU, OR IF IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEN IT'S NOT A MOTION. 
          UM, IF IT WAS DIRECTION TO STAFF TO APPROVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC, WE WOULD JUST NEED SOMETHING TO GO OFF OF. 
          SO SOME SORT OF DIRECTION ABOUT THE GROUPING OF THE WINDOWS OR SOMETHING ABOUT THE DESIGN THAT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO APPROVE. 
          IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU JUST NEED TO SEE A FEW ITERATIONS OF BEFORE YOU CAN CONSIDER, UM, THEN YOU CAN ALSO TAKE ACTION TO APPROVE WITH THAT ONE DETAIL. 
          COMING BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL C O A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE FOR, UH, FINISHING THE DESIGN DRAWINGS AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, KNOWING THAT YOU'VE, UH, SAID THAT YOU WILL BE STUDYING THE WINDOWS A LITTLE FURTHER? OKAY. 
          UM, OUR CURRENT TIMELINE IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, I MEAN, WE NEED TO BE COMPLETE WITH THESE DOCUMENTS, UM, AT THE, WHAT, WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS YOUR APPROVAL TO SAY THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, THE DEMOLITION OF THE LIBRARY SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND STAY ON OUR TIMELINE TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING AS IT IS DESIGNED. 
          WHEREAS THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY IS, IS, IS A, IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONTINUED TO BE CORRECTED AS WE, UM, DEVELOP THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 
          SO WE REALLY NEED THE APPROVAL SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTATION SO THAT WE CAN MEET THE DEADLINE FOR, UM, SUBMITTING OUR DOCUMENTS TO THE CITY. 
          AND WE ARE HAPPY TO COME BACK, UM, WITH ELEVATIONAL, UM, UPDATES, UM, AN ELEVATION UPDATE TO SHOW THAT WE, UM, ARE, UM, TRYING TO MEET THE DESIRES OF THE COMMISSION TO CREATE AN ELEVATION THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING, 
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UM, WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          BUT WE JUST REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE, THE BUILDING PLAN AS WE HAVE IT. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF WE HAD A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR, UH, COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH YOUR ELEVATION, UH, INVESTIGATIONS, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT COMMISSION AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, UM, THAT WE WOULD STILL MEET YOUR, UH, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DEADLINES? UM, I WOULD SAY YES TO PACT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, SO MR. CHAIR, THEN I MOVE THAT THEY BE APPROVED, THIS BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS THAT THEY APPROACH, UH, THE STAFF WITH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OR, OR WITH THEIR, UH, REDESIGN OR DESIGN AND THE INTENT OF THE WINDOWS AND THE, AND THE, UH, ELEVATION AND THEIR INTENT, UH, ON HONORING THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE GYM. 
          I'LL SECOND, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WEST RESEARCH FACADES MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WEST OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING, WHICH IS I THINK WAS INDICATED AS THE LIBRARY, CORRECT? YES. 
          SO FACADE RENDERINGS WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT, MR. CHAIR SECOND. 
          I WANNA MAKE, MAKE COMMENT ABOUT IT. 
          UM, Y YOU KNOW, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I THINK COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSION. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE THE KIND OF A I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY I HAVE THE ARMCHAIR, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, POWER, RIGHT? UH, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT THERE'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, A A, A DESIGN THAT IS DETAILED TO THE LEVEL THAT IS DETAILED, AND I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT IMAGE WAS SHOWN FIRST, THAT FRONT IMAGE, UM, IT, IT, IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WHAT IS BEING DESIGNED IS HOLISTIC IN THAT YOU CAN TAKE A CORNER OF THIS PROJECT DRAWS CIRCLE AROUND IT, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE DETAILING OF THAT SEGMENT IS A RULE WITHIN THE HOLISTIC DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF A HIGHER DESIGN, UH, UH, CAPABILITY, RIGHT? THIS IS, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, ELEMENTARY AND, AND WHEN, WHEN AN, WHEN YOU TAKE THAT LITTLE CORNER, THAT SEGMENT OF A CORNER OR A FACADE, AND YOU CHANGE ONE DETAIL, IN REALITY, YOU, YOU'RE CHANGING THE ENTIRE LANGUAGE. 
          AND THOSE CHANGES HAVE TO OCCUR EVERYWHERE IF IT'S GONNA REMAIN HOLISTIC. 
          THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH RESPECT TO JUST A FACADE. 
          SO NOW WE'RE KIND OF PERVERTING A HOLISTIC DESIGN INTENT. 
          NOW, I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS, IS, IS NECESSARILY ARCHITECTURALLY EDUCATED OR HAS, HAS ACTUALLY, UH, AND AT THAT LEVEL, BUT IT'S WORTH, UH, UH, PRAYING THAT, THAT, THAT WHEN WE, THAT THAT EMOTION THAT IS MADE IS MADE, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT JUST AS EASY AS SAYING, I DON'T LIKE THAT WINDOW, MOVE IT. 
          SO THAT WHAT WE RISK HERE IS THAT WE HAVE A, A, A, AN INTENTIONAL SEPARATION OF STATEMENTS FROM THE PAST TO THE PRESENT, AND THAT THE PAST IS CLEARLY HOLISTIC AND THAT THE PRESENT IS FOLLOWING THE SAME RULE, AND THAT IT'S BEING DONE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL SKILLS AND TALENT OF A QUALIFIED FIRM. 
          THERE ISN'T ANYTHING EGREGIOUS IN THIS. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER. 
          AND, UH, JUST TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE NOT EVEN TO 50% CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND, UM, AS MOST ARCHITECTS KNOW, AND, AND HOPEFULLY A LOT OF THE, THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHO AREN'T IN THE DESIGN PROFESSION, THAT, THAT THERE ARE CHANGES MADE DURING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 
          AND, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY ARE STILL STUDYING THE ELEVATIONS. 
          SO, UH, AT THIS POINT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, THAT STUDY WILL CONTINUE AND, UH, WE WILL GET THE, UM, THEIR, UH, PROPOSALS AT A FUTURE DATE THAT WE'LL CONSIDER AT THIS COMMISSION. 
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MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT AND POTENTIALLY A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          UM, WE DON'T SEE ANY ELEVATION FROM MULBERRY'S SIDE. 
          UH, THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT THE BUFFER AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING AND JUST HOW THAT WOULD, UM, SHAKE OUT. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE OR MAKE A, MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A FRIENDLIER AMENDMENT THAT WHEN THE DESIGN TEAM RETURNS WITH THE, UH, SATCH ELEVATION, THAT THEY ALSO RETURN WITH A MULBERRY ELEVATION AND A, UH, FURTHER DEVELOPED LANDSCAPE PLAN ON MULBERRY, I CAN ADD THAT, UH, STIPULATION THAT THEY, WE RETURN WITH THE MULBERRY ELEVATION AS WELL, AND QUE AND LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, EXCUSE ME, ME, WELL SEE THIS WHAT MY CON THIS WHAT MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE ABDOMINAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A DOMINO EFFECT. 
          AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT, THAT'S ALL, UH, UM, RELEVANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CLEAR INTENT OF THE DESIGNER. 
          I MEAN, IF THE, IF THE DESIGNER SAYS IT'S, IT'S ORANGE, THEN IT'S ORANGE, AND WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO SAY, WELL, MAYBE IT'S YELLOW. 
          WELL, UH, AN APPLICANT CAN MAKE IT YELLOW JUST TO PASS THEIR PROJECT. 
          THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT A BETTER PRO PROJECT. 
          I WILL SECOND BECAUSE IT, IT, I, I WILL CONTINUE MY SECOND IN THE INTEREST OF THIS, OF THIS APPLICANT. 
          BUT, UH, I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE CLEARLY BEEN BEFORE US. 
          THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED QUITE A BIT. 
          THEY'VE SHOWN US AN ELEVATION THAT, THAT WITH THE RIGHT, WITH THE RIGHT, UH, UH, UH, IMAGE, IT REALLY DEMONSTRATES THE DETAIL AND THE HOLISTIC IDEA OF THIS. 
          SO I'LL SECOND IT, BUT I ALSO EMPLOY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE TA, THE TALENTED AND SKILLS OF, OF, OF THESE DESIGN TEAMS THAT THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY ARCHITECT TO ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER TO DESIGNER. 
          IT'S ONE PERSON'S AESTHETIC OVER ANOTHER PERSON'S AESTHETIC. 
          AND THIS IS A TEAM THAT HAS DEMONSTRATED A HOLISTIC INTENT, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE PERVERTING IT. 
          BUT I WILL SECOND, UH, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONER, JIMMY'S, UH, UH, MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MORALES, MAY I? IT'S ABSTAIN. 
          MASUKA A AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION
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11. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, H D R CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 15, 10 12, AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CON CONSTRUCT SIX TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS AT 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE TWO STRUCTURES FRONTING NORTH CHERRY PROTOTYPES A AND B WILL FEATURE UNIQUE DESIGNS IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN AS ONE AND TWO THREE STRUCTURES. 
          PROTOTYPE C WILL FEATURE IDENTICAL DESIGNS IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN AS THREE AND ONE STRUCTURE IDENTIFIED AS STRUCTURE FOUR WILL FEATURE A UNIQUE DESIGN THAT IS YET TO BE SUBMITTED. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          A THROUGH X STAFF FINDS THAT THE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED BELOW, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO A RECOMMENDATION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT INDIVIDUAL SITE PLANS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE, NOTING, NOTING INDIVIDUAL LOT SETBACKS. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT DECREASED MASSING ON SITE IS NOTED IN FINDING G A REDUCTION IN BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR LOWERING THE HEIGHT, EXCUSE ME, A REDUCTION IN BUILDING FOOTPRINT OR LOWERING OF HEIGHT TO A SINGLE STORY FOR SOME STRUCTURES WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND WOULD FOLLOW THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. 
          THREE, THAT TRADITIONAL MATERIALS BE USED IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED TERRACOTTA, BRICK AND STUCCO IS NOTED IN FINDING K AND THAT FACADE MATERIALS BE CONSISTENT ON EACH FACADE WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          SIDING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AS NOTED IN FINDING K FOUR, THAT UNIQUE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS BE ADDED TO PROTOTYPE. 
          C IS NOTED IN FINDING O THAT DIFFERENTIATE EACH STRUCTURE, SUCH AS CHANGES IN MATERIAL LOCATIONS, FENESTRATION PROFILES, COLORS, AND MASSING. 
          FIVE THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURE, SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. 
          UH, IF A RIDGE CAP IS PROPOSED, IT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          SIX, THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
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THE PROPOSED WOOD WINDOWS ARE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL AND FEATURE APPROPRIATE PROFILES WHEN INSTALLED IN A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE. 
          HOWEVER, TRIM AND INSTALLATION DEPTH SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          SEVEN, THAT THE RECTANGULAR FIXED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE OF PROTOTYPE C AND THE FIXED SQUARE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF PRO OF SIDE FACADES OF PROTOTYPES A AND B BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROFILES INCLUDING ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION. 
          UH, AND THIS PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES, AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. 
          UM, A FEW CASE COMMENTS. 
          THIS TIME THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR PROTOTYPE. 
          FOUR. 
          FULL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE H D R C REVIEW FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE STRUCTURE SITE WORK PERMITS OR FOUNDATION PERMITS WILL NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL A C O A HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE H D R C. 
          UH, AND THERE ARE ALSO TWO CASE COMMENTS. 
          STAFF STANDARD, UH, COMMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION, AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION. 
          UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          YES. 
          WOULD Y'ALL COME UP TO THE PODIUM? THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          HI. 
          IF YOU GUYS SEE ME GRIMACING HERE AND THERE, I HURT MY BACK A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, SO, UM, , IF YOU'D SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE DID A PRESENTA. 
          WE UPDATED OUR PRESENTATION WITH, UM, A FEW, A COUPLE OF, UM, ADDED EXHIBITS THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THE D R C THAT WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, DISCUSS. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO JUMP RIGHT TO THE REVISED, UH, PRESENTATION? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, JUST NOTE THAT STAFF HASN'T REVIEWED THIS BEFORE. 
          UH, SO ANY OF THIS INFORMATION THAT'S SHOWN IS NEW. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, RICARDO RUES, 10, UH, 4 4 6 TRO AT OAK. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, WE'RE GLAD TO BE BACK PRESENTING OUR CHERRY COURT PROJECT LOCATED AT 10 12 AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY STREET. 
          UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME WE MET, UM, OUR TEAM HAS WORKED ON REFINING, UM, THE PROJECT TO REFLECT THE STIPULATIONS AND THE CONDITIONS, UH, FROM OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO WE HOPE THAT, UH, TODAY'S PRESENTATION, UH, SHOWS THAT, UH, BEFORE STARTING THE PRESENTATION, I WILL, UH, WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, THAT OUR TEAM AGREES WITH SOME OF STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF, UH, MOVE FORWARD. 
          STIPULATION NUMBER ONE, NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER SIX, AND NUMBER EIGHT. 
          UM, AND NUMBER EIGHT. 
          I, I, WE AGREE, WE JUST KIND OF WANT KNOW WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. 
          I COULDN'T FIND WHERE, UM, WHERE THAT'S REQUIREMENT THROUGH A, THROUGH COSA. 
          UH, BUT IF WE HAVE TO DO IT, WE'LL GET IT DONE. 
          SO THAT LEAVES RECOMMENDATIONS 2, 3, 4, AND SEVEN TO DISCUSS TODAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO, UH, SO, UM, OUR PROJECT, UH, IS LOCATED AT, AGAIN, 10 12, UH, RIGHT AT THE, UH, RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF, UM, THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE DITY HILL HISTORIC, UH, DISTRICT. 
          CAN WE GO UP? SORRY. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO I'LL JUST START WITH THE PROJECT. 
          SO WE WANTED TO PUT A KIND OF A PROJECT TIMELINE, UM, I THINK KIND OF SHOWS, UH, THE TRAJECTORY OF OUR PROJECT. 
          SO WE SUBMITTED OUR PROJECT, UH, OUR, OUR H R C APPLICATION IN JANUARY THE FOURTH, UH, BASICALLY THE BEGINNING OF THE, OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND THROUGH, FROM THERE TO TODAY, UH, SIX 15, UM, H C R C MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THERE, OUTREACH D UH, DRCS HRCS. 
          AND ULTIMATELY WE ARE HERE TODAY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THAT SINCE, SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE PROJECT TO TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, IT HAS GOTTEN, UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN REFINED. 
          AND WITH THE HELP OF, UH, THIS COMMISSION, I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOTTEN BETTER AS WELL. 
          SO NEXT, THERE WE GO. 
          SO, UH, I, WE, MANY OF YOU HAVE 
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SEEN THIS, UM, THIS SLIDE BEFORE. 
          UH, SO BASICALLY OUR, OUR PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF, OF NUITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UH, SOME PARKS AROUND IT. 
          WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA MAKE OUR PROJECT MORE MARKETABLE AND, YOU KNOW, PE YOU KNOW, UN WALKABLE FOR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEW RESIDENTS THERE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          STREET VIEW OF A PROJECT. 
          UM, THAT'S THE CURRENT VIEW RIGHT NOW OF THE OVERGROUND KINDA TREES. 
          UM, WE HAVE GONE IN THERE, CLEANED IT UP, REMOVED SOME CARS, UH, BUT AT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF KEEPING UP, UP, YOU KNOW, UPKEEPING WITH THE PROPERTY, UH, SINCE WE GOT, WE TOOK CONTROL OF IT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, ARIEL. 
          SHOWING THE, UH, BOUNDARY, UH, SETBACK EXHIBIT. 
          THIS WAS UPDATED SINCE OUR LAST, UH, SINCE WE LAST, UH, PRESENTED. 
          UM, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE OUR, OUR, OUR HOMES FACING CHERRY STREET, UH, BACK. 
          SO WE ARE ACTUALLY AT, WE ACTUALLY MOVED OUR 10 12 NORTH CHERRY STREET, UM, HOME, UH, TO 32 FEET. 
          THAT COMES OUT TO 19, UH, 32 FEET FROM THE CURB THAT COMES OUT TO LIKE 19 NINE, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND OUR 10 14, OR CHERRY, WHICH IS A NORTH ONE, UH, IS 37 FEET, WHICH COMES OUT TO 24 FEET AND SIX INCHES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF SQUEEZING THAT, YOU KNOW, BACK AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MATCH. 
          UH, OUR NEIGHBORS RIGHT THERE LOOKING AT, UH, NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS, UM, OUR, UH, 10 18 NORTH CHERRY STREET NEIGHBOR. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MAYBE LIKE A FOOT AWAY FROM THAT, ALIGNING OUR PROJECT, OUR HOME RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN ON THE SOUTH, UM, THE 10 10 NORTH CHERRY, AND THAT ONE'S LIKE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND TO BE BEHIND THAT. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LAND, OUR SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN RIGHT HERE, HIGH. 
          IT'S HIGHLIGHTING THE, UH, THE PERMEABLE DRIVE. 
          UH, WE, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID A TWO FOOT STRIP RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THAT, UH, WHILE, YOU KNOW, ONCE EXPERIENCED THROUGH OUR, THROUGH A STREET, UH, THROUGH THE STREET, THROUGH THE SIDEWALK, AND LOOKING AT THE HOMES, UM, NEXT TO THEM, IT ALMOST LOOKED LIKE TWO DRIVEWAYS. 
          SO VERY TYPICAL TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE IN, UH, DIGNITY HILL. 
          UM, WE ALSO WANTED TO, UH, CHANGE THE ROCK TO A MORE, A LIGHTER ROCK, UH, FOR NOT TO BE A BLACK BA SALT, GIVING IT A LIGHTER TOUCH, UM, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ORNAMENTAL TREES IN THE FRONT, UM, EXISTING TREES, UH, AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE KIND OF THE BLURRED ONES, AND SHRUBS AND PLANTING. 
          I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO, UH, SOFTENING THAT, THAT ENTRY TO THAT, TO THAT, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, NUMBER, NUMBER ONE AND TWO, UH, ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE THE, OUR, OUR, UH, OUR PROTOTYPES RIGHT THERE WITH TWO DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. 
          AND THEN, UH, PROTOTYPE, UH, OUR PROTOTYPE NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS THE ONES IN THE BACK, NUMBER FOUR, RIGHT THERE, IS, UH, BASICALLY A, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COMMIT OURSELVES TO COMING BACK AND PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, SORRY, WHEN THAT'S, UH, UH, WHEN WE'RE READY TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD. 
          I KNOW SOME OF THE, UM, CONCERNS, UM, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS CITIZENS HAVE ACTUALLY POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WE DON'T KNOW, BUT IF IT MAKES THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T MIND SAYING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER ONES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO COME BACK FOR, UH, AN ADDITIONAL DESIGN, WE CAN ALWAYS, UM, COME BACK JUST FOR THAT ONE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          FENCE EXHIBIT, UH, SHOWING THE DELINEATION OF THE, OF THE ACTUAL HOMES. 
          UM, WE'VE INCREASED OUR, WE'VE ACTUALLY INCREASED OUR YARDS, UM, TO ALMOST, YOU KNOW, 350, UH, SQUARE FEET FOR EACH. 
          UM, THEY ALL, THEY WILL ALL HAVE THEIR, THEY WILL ALL HAVE THEIR OWN ENTRANCE. 
          UM, THEY'RE ALL TWO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THEIR TWO CAR, 20 BY 20 PARKING. 
          PARKING. 
          AND OUR FENCE THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER WILL BE SIX FOOT WOOD FENCE. 
          AND THE, THE ONE, THE, OUR FOUR FOOT HOG WIRE FENCE WILL BE IN THE FRONT, KIND OF MATCHING THOSE FOUR FOOT FENCES THAT ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE, IN TO OUR NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? THEY'RE MOSTLY CHAIN LINK. 
          NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THIS IS A ITERATION, 
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UM, OF THE DIMENSIONAL SITE PLAN. 
          WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED ONE, UM, BUT ON HERE WE DECIDED TO ADD A FEW MORE DIMENSIONS FROM, FROM OUR ACTUAL HOMES TO PROPERTY LINES TO EX TO, UH, UH, SETBACKS. 
          UH, AND WE ALSO WENT AHEAD AND ADDED THE AREA. 
          JUST KIND OF SHOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR, OUR HOMES, UH, ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN THE FRONT TO OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, OUR FOOTPRINTS ARE, UM, MORE IN LINE TO THE EXISTING, UM, HOMES IN THAT BLOCK PLACE. 
          10 18 IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IS ACTUALLY, UM, A HOME THAT IS, UH, BIGGER THAN MOST OF THE HOMES THERE. 
          UH, RENDERINGS WERE UPDATED TO, UH, SHOW THE, UH, MATERIAL, UM, ON THE TERRACOTTA, ON THE BRICK, MAKING SURE HOW WE, HOW WE'RE DELINEATING THAT, UH, THAT BRICK. 
          UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ACTUALLY BEING INTENTIONAL NOW, AWARE IT, IT'S ENDING. 
          SO ENDING IT RIGHT BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT WINDOW, YOU KNOW, UM, MAYBE IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT ON THE, ON THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A, UH, TRIM THAT FOLLOWS ALL THAT FOLLOWS THE, UH, THE TRIM OF THE WINDOW, UM, YOU KNOW, VERTICALLY AND THE STUCCO, THE, THE BRICK KIND OF STOPS THERE, AND THEN IT CAN TRANSITIONS INTO ACTUAL SIDING. 
          UM, AGAIN, SHOWING SOME, UH, ORNAMENTAL TREES. 
          UH, THERE'S ACT, THERE'S ACTUAL, UM, UH, C P S LINES AND TELECOM LINES IN THERE, SO WE CAN'T REALLY PLANT BIGGER TREES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, PERTH CODE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE TREES THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY CP UH, THE TREE DEPARTMENTS WILL ALLOW. 
          UM, WE ALSO DIDN'T INCLUDE THE, THE, UH, THE EXISTING TREES HERE, BUT THEY'RE SIGNIFICANT. 
          THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, AND WE INTEND TO KEEP AS MANY OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT WE DID SHOW THEM ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AGAIN, SHOWING, UM, AN EED VERSION OF OUR RENDERING HERE. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          AND, AND THIS, AND THEN ANOTHER VERSION OF OUR RENDERING HERE IS SHOWING THE, UH, HOW EVERY, HOW EVERY UNIT WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR OWN PARKING, THEIR OWN LITTLE YARD IN THE BACK. 
          UM, FEEL LIKE, UH, Z ZIGA, UM, ZIKA ARCHITECTURE WILL BE TAKING OVER FOR THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION AND ANSWER ANY OF YOUR, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILED QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, MY NAME IS FELIX ZIGA. 
          I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. 
          I SEE WE'RE ALMOST OUTTA TIME. 
          UM, CAN WE KEEP GOING? ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO, ON THE MATERIAL PALETTE, I KNOW STAFF IS STILL, UM, RECOMMENDING THAT WE EXPLORE THE MATERIALS. 
          I, I THINK FROM A CONCEPTUAL, FROM OUR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THESE MATERIALS WERE CO CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED. 
          WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE DETAILS, UM, IN OUR PLANS IN TERMS OF TRANSITIONS AROUND WINDOWS, WINDOW SILLS, WINDOW HEADERS, TRANSITIONS FROM ONE MATERIAL TO THE NEXT. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN OUR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, BUT WE ARE STILL PROPOSING THE SAME MATERIAL PALETTE FROM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          UM, NEXT, UM, ONE OF THE MANY DRAWINGS THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AND WE, IT JUST TOOK US A WHILE TO DEVELOP IT WAS THE STREET SCAPE. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A STREET SECTION ELEVATION, UM, ALONG CHERRY STREET THAT SHOWS THE TREE LINES. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PHYSICALLY MEASURE EVERY TREE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GAUGE IT FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW AND PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          AND IF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU EXPERIENCE TREES IN REAL LIFE IS IN PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO THESE TREES MIGHT ACTUALLY BE BIGGER IN ELEVATION THAN, THAN THEY'RE DRAWN. 
          SO, BECAUSE WE WERE GUESSTIMATING OFF OF PERSPECTIVE VIEWS, TRYING TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO, UM, ELEVATIONS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE WAREHOUSES TO THE FAR LEFT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SHERMAN, WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF TREE CANOPY. 
          UM, AND THEN IT TRANSITIONS INTO THE ONE STORY BUNGALOWS, UM, AND VICTORIAN HOMES, YOU GOT R TWO IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UM, WE, THE INTENT IS THAT WITH THE TREES THAT WERE ADDING, ALONG WITH THE TREES THAT WE'RE PRESERVING, THAT THESE HOMES DO JUST DISAPPEAR NICELY INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST DON'T STAND OUT AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU EXPERIENCE HOMES IN REAL LIFE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU DON'T EXPERIENCE THEM IN ELEVATION, IT'S IN PERSPECTIVE. 
          YOU'RE EITHER WALKING BY OR DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          THIS SHOWS OUR, OUR, WHAT IS BEING CALLED PROTOTYPE A. 
          THIS IS 10 12 CHERRY, THE FRONT UNIT. 
          UM, WE CAN, WE CAN SKIP AHEAD TO THE ELEVATIONS 
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AS, AS RICARDO MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE FOCUSED ON THE, THE TRANSITIONS FROM THE BRICK TO THE STUCCO AND THE SIDING. 
          WE ALIGNED EVERYTHING WITH A WINDOW OR A FENESTRATION SO THAT IT MADE SOME SORT OF SENSE. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, WE ALSO EXPLORED OUR, ALL OF OUR DETAILS FOR OUR DIFFERENT, UH, MATERIAL CONDITIONS. 
          UM, WE DID MAKE A SWITCH TO WOOD WINDOWS PER RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEY, THEY ARE COMPLIANT WITH, UH, ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS IN TERMS OF THE THRESHOLD STEEL SIZES, ET CETERA. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND EVERY DESIGN HAS ITS OWN DETAILS BECAUSE SOME, SOME DETAILS SHOW UP ON OTHERS, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE HAS THE BRICK. 
          UM, BUT IT, YEAH. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UH, SIMILAR, THIS IS THE HOUSE AT 10 12. 
          UM, NO, I'M SORRY, 10, 14. 
          UM, AND VERY, VERY SIMILAR DETAILING. 
          NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, THIS HAS OUR AWNING DETAIL HERE, WHICH THE OTHER ONE DID NOT. 
          UM, ALONG WITH OUR BRICK DETAIL, OUR, OUR GUARDRAIL DETAIL. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND THEN OUR, OUR DETAILS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE FINAL, UH, DESIGN FOR THE REAR HOMES. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A QUESTION, OR, OR ONE OF THE STAFF, STAFF, UM, STIPULATIONS WAS THE RECTANGULAR WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          I BELIEVE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSOM WINDOW WE HAVE ABOVE THE FRONT DOOR. 
          UM, THAT TRANSOM WINDOW IS ACTUALLY LOCATED IN A CLOSET. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WINDOW IS THAT SIZE IS, AGAIN, FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. 
          THE SPACE, THE WAY THE SPACE IS USED ON THE INSIDE, UM, IS IT'S A, IT'S A CLOSET. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE, THE OPENING SO THAT IT CREATES LESS INTERFERENCE WITH THE ROOM AND ITS FUNCTION AND ITS USE. 
          UM, WE, AND WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEMPORARY FLARE TO THAT FRONT ELEVATION. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE SIDES FOR ALL OF THE HOMES, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE TWO BY TWO SQUARES. 
          WE ARE SHOWING THEM AS FIXED. 
          UM, AN INTERESTING, AN INTERESTING THING THAT HAPPENED, ESPECIALLY ON THESE BACK HOMES IS WHEN WE STARTED DROPPING THE PLATE HEIGHTS, THERE'S A BUILDING CODE MINIMUM FOR, UM, WINDOWS AT SHOWERS. 
          IT'S A FIVE FOOT MINIMUM FOR THE SILL. 
          SO WE'RE CAB BUYER, HEADER HEIGHT, OR CAB BUYER STILL HEIGHT. 
          SO SQUARE IS WHAT MADE THE MOST SENSE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION FOR THOSE WINDOWS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, I BELIEVE, STIPULATION NUMBER, UH, SEVEN, YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          AND, UM, LASTLY, THE DETAILS ON THIS ONE, AND, UM, WE DID HAVE, WE DID HAVE A REQUEST REGARDING ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS WAS THIS PROTOTYPE C AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE UTILIZED. 
          WE WANTED TO, IF POSSIBLE, AMEND THE APPROVAL TODAY. 
          IF, IF WE, IF WE CAN GET TO AN APPROVAL TO INCLUDE THAT THE, THE BILL TO SUIT HOME, THAT IF IT, IF IT IS THE PROTOTYPE C THEN THE APPROVAL STANDS. 
          IF IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WE'D GLADLY COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT AS A STANDALONE. 
          BUT IF POSSIBLE TO GET AN APPROVAL WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN, WE WOULD TAKE THAT. 
          AND THEN IF IT IS GONNA BE A BIGGER HOME, WE WOULD COME BACK AND GET THAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, UH, US AND RICARDO ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, VOICEMAILS OR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? UH, YES, THERE IS, UH, TWO VOICEMAILS. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH THREE 15, LOCATED AT 10 12 10 14 NOR CHERRY. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO NOT APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          THERE ARE TOO MANY STANDARD GUIDELINES THAT ARE NOT BEING MET, EVEN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS NO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR PROTOTYPE FOUR, NO INDIVIDUAL SITE PLANS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURE, NO REDUCTION OF MASSING AS PROPOSED. 
          NO CHANGE IN PROPOSED MATERIALS TO REPLACE TERRACOTTA, BRICK AND STUCCO. 
          PROPOSED WINDOWS NOT CONSISTENT WITH STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WINDOWS. 
          THIS DEVELOPER CONTINUES TO SUBMIT THE SAME SITE PLANS. 
          THERE IS STILL TOO MUCH OF A GAP OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED BY O H P. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THESE PLANS UNTIL THE DEVELOPER BEGINS TO MEET THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN OUR HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. 
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THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 11, 10 12, AND 10 14 NORTH CHERRY, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO JOINS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF IN RECOMMENDING THIS PROJECT NOT RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE BUILDING'S, MASSING MATERIALS AND CREATION OF AN INTERIOR STREET DO NOT CONFORM TO HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES OR WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOUND IN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          THOSE ARE ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? UM, SURE. 
          UM, OR, I THINK COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAD A QUESTION, MAYBE, OR NO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          REGARDING THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS AND, AND STAFF STIPULATIONS AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, WE DID EXPLORE, UM, MINIMIZING HEIGHTS FURTHER, UM, AND, OR ONE AND A HALF STORIES AT THE REAR UNITS. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THROUGH THAT EXPLORATION AND ITERATIONS, WE WERE LOSING SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE WERE LOSING BEDROOMS, WE WERE LOSING PROGRAM. 
          AND FRANKLY, THE, THE DEVELOPER JUST FELT THAT THEY HAD ALREADY GIVEN UP TWO DWELLINGS. 
          THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP ADDITIONAL PROGRAM FOR THE PROJECT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PRESENTING SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD PRESENTED IN THE PAST. 
          UM, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING. 
          WE, WE THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO TRY TO MINIMIZE, IF YOU CAN GO TO THAT STREET ELEVATION, UM, PLEASE. 
          UM, I KNOW RENDERINGS ARE VERY DECEIVING 'CAUSE YOU'RE SEEING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, LIKE A HAWK. 
          BUT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ILLUSTRATIVE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, OUR, OUR HOPE IS THAT WITH, WITH THE, THE, THE BROKEN UP MASSING WITH AT 10 14, RIGHT? WE HAVE A PORCH AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAVE THE, THE REST OF THE VOLUME RECESS BACK. 
          WE DID SET IT BACK TO 37, WHICH IS FURTHER THE, AS FAR BACK AS WE COULD GET IT. 
          UM, THEN WE HAVE ON THE 10 12 SIDE, WE HAVE A HIP ROOF. 
          SO AGAIN, THE WAY YOU EXPERIENCED THAT, IT'S GONNA GO AWAY FROM YOU. 
          UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE HOPEFUL, THAT HELPS WITH THE, THE HOME AT 10 10, WHICH IS THE SMALLEST HOME, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN THAT HOME. 
          UM, SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'RE DOING THINGS IN OUR POWER WITHIN OUR SITE. 
          CONSTRAINTS, LIMITATIONS. 
          UM, LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE. 
          THE WINDOWS WE DID, WE DID, UH, ADHERE TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, AND WE ARE DOING WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AND WE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING, UH, FOR THE WOOD WINDOWS AND THERE IT IS. 
          AND WE'VE GOT, WE'VE DONE THIS WINDOW IN THE PAST. 
          WE'VE DONE IT VERY WELL SUCCESSFULLY. 
          UH, WE DO WOULD LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, UM, UPGRADE TO AN ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW SHOULD BUDGET PERMIT. 
          UM, WE, WE JUST DID THAT IN A RECENT PROJECT AND, UM, SAME OWNER, AND HE WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THAT PRODUCT. 
          UM, SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, IT'S AT A, AT A BASELINE, A WOOD WINDOW, A POTENTIAL UPGRADE AND ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW FROM THE SAME MANUFACTURER, SAME SERIES. 
          IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT MATERIAL ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT COVERED THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS. 
          UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, THIS IS ALWAYS A, A TOUGH ONE. 
          UM, A TOUGH THING WHEN APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO MANY OF THE CONCERNS AND REQUESTS. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR, INCLUDING A STREET ELEVATION. 
          I THINK IT'S HELPFUL FOR ALL PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN, UH, LOOK AT APPLES TO APPLES, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, THE RENDERINGS ARE HELPFUL ALSO. 
          THEY SERVE A DIFFERENT PURPOSE. 
          BUT THIS IS, THIS IS HELPFUL. 
          UM, ALSO YOUR UPDATING THE WINDOW TYPE AND I WOULD BE FINE WITH A, A METAL CLAD WOOD AS WELL. 
          UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, I THINK WHAT WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR IS A BETTER QUALITY AND LONGEVITY IN OUR PROJECTS, IN OUR NEW PROJECTS. 
          UM, I AM STILL A LITTLE STUMPED ABOUT THE PICTURE WINDOW, UH, THAT APPEARS IN A FEW PLACES AT THE ENTRYWAY. 
          I'M WONDERING, IS THAT A SLIDER? IS THAT A, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE DOOR? WHAT IS THIS? AND I THINK THAT GOES TO THE ADJACENT TO THE DOORS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          ARE ALMOST, THOSE ARE INTENDED TO BE SIDELIGHTS, LARGE SIDELIGHTS, BUT THEY'RE INTENDED TO BE SIDELIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, UM, I DON'T AT THAT SIZE, I, UM, I JUST WONDER HOW IT'S SERVING THE PURPOSE VERSUS HOW IT IS, UM, RESPONDING OR CONFORMING TO THE GUIDELINES. 
          SO THERE'S A CONCERN. 
          I DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE, UM, RESOLVED. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA TOUCH ON THE LARGER ISSUE OF 
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THE PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, WHICH HAS BEEN MY CONCERN FROM THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE GET GO. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WITH SOME OF THESE INFILL BUILDER INFILL PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE SEVERAL HOUSES, UM, AND WE'RE ON LARGE LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN AGGREGATED OVER YEARS, AND THE USE CHANGES, IT GETS REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL, WHATEVER. 
          AND I GET THAT IT'S HARD TO DEVELOP TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS OR THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO OPERATE OR FUNCTION THAT WAY. 
          THEY JUST LOOK THAT WAY. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE A LARGER PARCEL, IT IS HARDER TO PULL THAT OFF THESE DAYS. 
          MY CONCERN WITH THIS ONE IS WE HAVE TWO PERFECTLY INTACT SINGLE FAMILY LOOKING LOTS SIDE BY SIDE. 
          THEY DIDN'T NEED THE INTERVENTION OF RE PLATTING AND REZONING AND RE-IMAGINING AS A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A STREET GOING THROUGH IT. 
          IT DIDN'T REALLY NEED IT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I, I WILL STILL PUSH BACK ON THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND JUST THAT APPROACH TO THE PROPERTY LENDS ITSELF TO OTHER ISSUES DOWN THE LINE. 
          SO WHERE IS OUR SECONDARY OR OUR ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE? WELL, IT'S THIS TWO STORY BUILDING BEHIND HERE AND ANOTHER TWO STORY. 
          SO IT DEFIES THE BUILDING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITHIN THE LOT. 
          THE OTHER BYPRODUCT IS YOU HAVE FRONT DOORS OF FOUR HOUSES, MAYBE EVEN MORE, THAT DON'T FACE THE STREET. 
          SO THE ISSUES THAT COME OUT OF DISTURBING OR DISRUPTING AN EXISTING IN A VERY STRONG EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON THE BLOCK CREATE THESE OTHER ISSUES. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THAT PROJECT THEN, ONCE IT'S BUILT, DOESN'T SEEM TO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S CLEARLY THE OUTLIERS CLEARLY OUT OF STEP WITH THAT BLOCK, WHICH IS, WE CAN SEE ON YOUR, UM, STREET ELEVATION IS VERY STRONG IN ITSELF, EVEN ACROSS THE STREET. 
          WE HAD A SITE VISIT FOR ANOTHER PROJECT, UM, LAST WEEK, A COUPLE OF DOORS DOWN. 
          AND WHILE WE WERE THERE, IT WAS A GOOD SITE VISIT, GREAT DISCUSSION. 
          WE STARTED LOOKING AROUND ACROSS THE STREET INTO OTHER HOUSES TO GAIN INSIDE INFORMATION TO THE HOUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT. 
          AND IT WAS JUST REALLY EASY TO DERIVE A COMMON SENSE OF DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN USED, HOW THEY'VE BEEN CHANGED, BECAUSE THAT BLOCK IS SO CONSISTENT. 
          SO, UM, THAT IS, UM, THAT'S THE CONCERN. 
          I REMAIN, UH, I I CONTINUE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WIDE DRIVEWAY IS ANOTHER BYPRODUCT, RIGHT? UM, SO AS WE MAKE ONE CRITICAL DECISION EARLY ON, IT HAS A FALLOUT AND AN EFFECT IN SO MANY OTHER AREAS. 
          UM, AND I, UM, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MASSING. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LAND THERE. 
          YOU CAN GO ONE STORY TO, TO RECOUP SOME OF THOSE BEDROOMS, TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          IT'S THERE. 
          SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS AND I THINK IT'S A BALANCING ACT, RIGHT? FOR US AS THE DESIGN TEAM AND THE ARCHITECTS AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM CONSTANTLY BALANCING PUSH, PUSH AND PULL, GIVE AND TAKE. 
          AND HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING TREES, THE LANDSCAPE, THE YARDS, AND WE ACHIEVE THAT. 
          AND THEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, CAN YOU GIVE UP MORE STUFF? AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR, RIGHT? AND, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED OUR BEST. 
          WE REALLY DID. 
          I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THERE'S SOME GOOD CHANGES. 
          AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UM, THAT PUSH AND PULL SEEMS PROBABLY REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT ON Y'ALL'S BEHALF. 
          AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT IS SO INCONGRUENT WITH THE AREA. 
          RIGHT? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRUB. 
          YEAH, MR. AND JUST, SORRY. 
          UH, OH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COMMISSIONER SINO, I HAVE ALSO ASKED OTHER COMMISSIONERS, WE DID ADOPT THE, THE CODE OF CONDUCT WITH THE TIME LIMIT OF THE THREE MINUTES. 
          SO I'M GONNA ASK THE CHAIR TO MAKE SURE WE RESPECT THAT ALL OF US HERE. 
          UM, SORRY. 
          AND, AND WE DO GET ANOTHER ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES AFTER. 
          SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S, WE ASK OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO DO IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO ABIDE BY IT. 
          UM, MY, I THINK MY COMMENTS ARE NOT SO MUCH AS THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. 
          I JUST IN GENERAL, I WAS NOT THERE FOR THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          I DO STILL HAVE CONCERNS. 
          I WOULD STAND BY STAFF STIPULATIONS, AT LEAST THE TWO. 
          I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO, THE MASSING, UM, THIS IS STILL NIGHT FOOT CEILINGS. 
          I WOULD SAY THIS PROJECT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE, WE HAVE SEEN INDIGNITY WITH THESE ELONGATED LOTS AND SEVERAL PROPERTIES. 
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MAYBE YOU DO ONE STORY AND A HALF AND THEN GO UP FURTHER DOWN THE LOT. 
          BUT NOT IN THE BEGINNING. 
          I'M NOT GONNA REDESIGN THE PROJECT, BUT I'M JUST NOT GONNA SUPPORT IT AS BEING A TWO STORY OF FRONT NEXT TO THOSE ONE STORIES AS THE STREETSCAPE. 
          SO I GUESS THIS IS MORE, UH, COMMENTS TO THE DEVELOPER MORE THAN THE ARCHITECT. 
          UM, I THINK, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO, BUT THE SIDELIGHTS ON THE DOORS, I WOULD JUST DO A REGULAR, LIKE A FRONT DOOR THAT WE'D FIND HISTORICALLY IN THE HOMES THAT WE HAVE APPROVED BEFORE, ALSO THE NEW BUILDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, TO THE DEVELOPER, TERRAMARK AND THE COMPANY, THEY HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF US SO MANY TIMES AND YOU KNOW, THAT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PROVING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE AMENDED LATER OR RETHOUGHT. 
          SO I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. 
          SO THAT MIGHT BE A LONG TIMELINE AND MANY MONTHS THAT YOU'VE COME HERE, BUT YOU ALSO KNOW THAT I CAN SEE ON THE STAFF, ON THE COMMISSIONER COMMENTS FROM D R C THAT THERE'S STILL ITEMS ON THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP IN D R C THAT ARE STILL NOT, UM, CONSIDERED, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT REVISED, OR I DON'T KNOW. 
          IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T WANNA BGE ON THEM, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING, UH, THE PROTOTYPE, THE HOUSE TO BE BUILT AS A PROTOTYPE RIGHT NOW ON A FINAL APPROVAL, THE BACK HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE REST OF THE PROJECT IS OKAY. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I, I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE TWO STORY, THE TWO FRONTS. 
          I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT TWO STORY COMING ABOUT LATER IN THE LOT, LIKE FURTHER DOWN THE LOT THAN IN THE FRONT. 
          I DO FEEL I WOULD LOOK WHERE THE LOT ARE PLACED, WHICH IS PART OF, OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WHERE THEIR HOMES ARE AND HOW YOU'RE FILLING OUT THE LOT. 
          I DON'T HAVE A, A PROBLEM. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT COMES ALSO TO THE TREES THAT YOU'RE USING A LOT, THE TREES TO, TO KIND OF JUSTIFY THE TWO STORY. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH TALL EXISTING TREES THAT WILL DO THAT. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO BE NEW PLANTED TREES AND MY EXPERIENCES, UH, WITH THIS DEVELOPER THAT IT'S NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME LATER AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING THAT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY, TERRAMARK IS NOT THE CLIENT, SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT A TERRAMARK PROJECT. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, COULD STEPH CLARIFY WHAT THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINE IS FOR THE HEIGHTS? I, I, I'M CONFIDENT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          I'M GONNA READ STAFF'S FINDING, UH, AND PROVIDE CLARIFICATION, THEREBY THAT I DON'T REALLY LOOK AT WHO'S THE DEVELOPER. 
          I THINK I THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS IS A FINDING G PER THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION TWO A ONE, A HEIGHTENED MASSING SIMILAR TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT EXCEED THAT OF THE MAJORITY OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN ONE STORY. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING C, ALL OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK FEATURE ONE STORY AND HEIGHT. 
          GENERALLY, STAFF FINDS THE TWO STORY STRUCTURES FRONTING NORTH CHERRY TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS THEY FEATURE ONE ADDITIONAL STORY AND HEIGHT OVER THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOUND ON THE BLOCK. 
          HOWEVER, WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FEATURES REAR STRUCTURES WITH MASSING THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT THE STREET. 
          GENERALLY, STAFF FINDS THE OVERALL MASSING TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES IN REGARDS TO HEIGHT AND BUILDING FOOTPRINT. 
          AS THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT TYPICALLY CONSISTS OF REAR STRUCTURES FEATURING REDUCED MASSING AND FOOTPRINTS IN COMPARISON TO PRIMARY STREET FRONTING STRUCTURES. 
          A STIPULATION OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ADDED BY THE COMMISSION WAS THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORER LOWERING, LOWERING THE HEIGHT OF THE REAR STRUCTURES PAST WHAT WAS REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THE OVERALL HEIGHTS OF 25 FEET, 11 INCHES STAFF FINDS THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT A STREET ELEVATION, NOTING THE PROPOSED HEIGHTS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION IN RELATIONSHIP TO EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          UM, THANK YOU STAFF FOR CLARIFYING. 
          AND, UH, THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE I THINK WHAT, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE DO AND WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING OF US ARE ENTIRELY CONTRADICTORY. 
          SO IT'S LIKE WHEN WE'RE UP HERE, WE, WHICH ONE IS IT? RIGHT? WE ULTIMATELY, YOUR VOTES ARE WHAT APPROVES THESE THINGS. 
          BUT WE ALSO WE'RE, WE'RE DESIGNING BASED ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU EXPERIENCE THIS PROJECT FROM A STREETSCAPE, IT READS AS TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. 
          THERE'S THERE'S MORE GOING ON AT THE REAR, RIGHT? BUT, UM, THE, WE, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THROUGH THE PAST EXPERIENCE FROM ONE OF THE FOLKS ON THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND THE WAY THEY'VE ACCOMMODATED THESE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, THAT THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL BE MINIMAL. 
          AND, UM, I WAS HOPEFUL THAT WE WERE PAST THE, THE DENSITY CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT IN OUR EXHIBITS ANYMORE. 
          BUT AT ONE POINT, THIS SITE THAT WE HAD SHOWN A SANDBORN 
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MAP AND IT HAD ALL KINDS OF A HODGEPODGE, AN ARRANGEMENT OF BUILDINGS HERE. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING LESS DENSITY THAN WHAT WAS HERE BEFORE IN THE PAST. 
          AND IN A, WHAT WE THINK IS A MORE RESPONSIVE, UM, LAYOUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, AT LEAST AN ATTEMPT TO REPLICATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. 
          IT'S NOT AN EXACT, IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S CLOSE. 
          AND THAT'S, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THAT'S ENOUGH. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, SIR. 
          UM, WELL COMMENT AT FIRST. 
          UM, CAN STAFF BRING UP, UM, WELL NO, THIS ONE ON SCREEN IS FINE. 
          THIS IS GOOD. 
          UM, YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO MEET STAFF GUIDELINES. 
          UM, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU MADE A COMMENT ALSO MEANING THAT, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THE DRC, ALL THE DRCS ARE IN PLACE AND YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH HER COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS MANY, MANY TIMES, BUT MY QUESTIONS WANTS TO FOCUS ON, UM, THE SCREEN, WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, IF, UM, THIS 20 FOOT COMMON DRIVE. 
          SO HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT FITS INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MEAN, HELP ME TO, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I LOVE RICARDO. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON, RICARDO ESS. 
          UM, YEAH, SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY TWO, TWO LOTS. 
          UM, 10 12 AND 10 14 WITH CHERRY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING HERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ACTUALLY INITIALLY DONE A, A JUST A COMPLETE 20 FOOT ROW DOWN THE, THE, UM, THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT. 
          BUT AFTER SOME, SOME COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, WE WENT BACK AND RE-LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE MORE COMMON WITHIN AND WHAT'S TYPICAL OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? IT'S ONE HOUSE WITH ONE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO IT. 
          SO WHAT WE WENT AND WE DID WAS WE ARE, WE ARE DIVIDING THAT DRIVEWAY WITH A TWO FOOT STRIP. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU'RE EXPERIENCING DOWN THAT DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT HOUSE DRIVEWAY AND DRIVEWAY HOUSE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, THAT'S, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT ROAD, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE IN RENDERING. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE BUSHES AND THE, UM, UH, OF THE PERMEABLE DRIVE AND THE, THE, UM, THE LIMESTONE COLOR AT STONE AND, AND, UH, FLOWER BEDS, ET CETERA, WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE'RE, THAT SOFTENS THAT UP BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE NEXT TO EACH OTHER, BUT WE ARE ACTUALLY BREAKING IT UP IN RESPECT OF TIME. 
          I'LL, UM, I'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS. 
          I'LL, I'LL WAIT. 
          MR. CHAIR DANIELS HAS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MM-HMM. 
          , COMMISSIONER, CIA. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, WELL, I, I WANNA, UM, UH, WELL, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO, TO SAY ANYTHING AT THIS POINT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DESIGNERS AND THE, AND THE PROJECTS GET BASHED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN, AND MEAN IT, IT ALMOST REMOVES A PRAYER OF ANY, OF, ANY APPROVAL WHATSOEVER, WHICH IS, TO ME, VERY, VERY DISCOURAGING. 
          UM, UH, I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT, THAT, THAT ARE REALLY O OVERARCHING, UH, THE CONVERSATION HERE, THERE, THERE, THERE OBVIOUSLY IS A PATTERN IN THE COMMUNITY OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO DOWN THE STREET, UH, CLOSER TO THE HAY STREET BRIDGE, AND NO OFFENSE TO, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT MIGHT HAVE APPROVED THOSE PROJECTS. 
          BUT, BUT THESE PROJECTS ARE FAR, UH, SUPERIOR WITH RESPECT TO THEM FOLLOWING ANY RULE OF THUMB OR BEING ANY WAY CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE AREA THERE. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RED, THE RED TILE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO AND BLOCK UP THE STREET AND IT'S THERE, AND IT'S BEEN THERE ON AN EXISTING BUILDING. 
          THEY'RE CLEARLY USING A KIT OF PARTS THAT ARE FOUND IN THAT COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE INCORPORATING 'EM IN A WAY THAT IS OBVIOUSLY SPEAKING, UH, A, A, A NEW LANGUAGE. 
          BUT I THINK, UH, MORE IMPORTANTLY, YEAH, WE, WE DID MEET OVER THERE RECENTLY ON ANOTHER PROJECT, BUT, BUT I'VE GOTTA SAY THAT WE LOOK AROUND AND WE SEE WHAT WE WANNA SEE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF INCONSISTENCIES 
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IN THAT COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER PART OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC WHEN THOSE INCONSISTENCIES HAVE EXISTED OUT OF THE INNOVATION OF A IMPOVERISHED COMMUNITY THAT HAVE BY THEIR OWN MEANS DECIDED WHAT THEIR AESTHETIC IS. 
          SO WE WRITE THESE GUIDELINES AND WE WRITE 'EM AS IF THOSE COMMUNITIES, THOSE DON'T EXIST HISTORICALLY MINORITY COMMUNITIES AND HISTORICALLY DISENFRANCHISED AND COMMUNITIES WHOSE AESTHETICS ARE JUST NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY. 
          SO, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF ALL OF THAT, THEY HAVE WORKED, UH, KIND OF OUT OF THE SITUATION, BRINGING IN A MORE FORMAL INTERPRETATION OF, OF, UM, OF THE PAST IN A PRESENT SET PRESENT SENSE. 
          BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THEY'VE MET WITH US SO MANY TIMES, AND THERE'S, THERE'S ELEMENTS OF THE DIALOGUE THAT ARE GOING ALONG HERE THAT ARE ALMOST SAYING THAT THEY, THAT THEY CAN'T DO THIS. 
          SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'VE BEEN BAITED INTO, INTO BELIEVING THAT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S ALLOWABLE WITH A UUD C OKAY. 
          ON ONE HAND, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE BEING ABLE TO PRESENT IT TO US, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE CAN TELL YOU, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, UH, FAIR. 
          I THINK IT'S MICROMANAGING AND, AND IT'S EXPECTING THAT SOMEHOW, UM, WE HAVE A RIGHT, A RIGHT TO DENY A PREVALENT PATTERN IN THAT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW? SO I, I THINK THAT THIS DESIGN TEAM HAS DONE A, A, A GREAT JOB. 
          I THINK THEY'RE READY TO GO, AND I'M, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL NOT BE HAPPY, BUT, UM, UH, WE SHOULD BE ENABLING NOT DISA THESE PROJECTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, WITH THE NEW, WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGN, YOU'VE BASICALLY SPLIT THE DRIVEWAY INTO TWO? YES, SIR. 
          UM, COULD WE PUT UP THE STREET ELEVATION? OKAY. 
          UH, THIS ELEVATION BETWEEN 10 14 AND 10 12, WE'VE GOT A 20 FOOT DRIVE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, IN ORDER TO, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SMALL HOUSE. 
          AT 10 10, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO TAKE THESE, UH, 10 12 SITE PLAN AND DO A MIRROR IMAGE AND HAVE TWO SEPARATE 10 FOOT DRIVEWAYS, SO, SO THAT THE MM-HMM. 
          , UH, 10 12 2 STORY HOUSE IS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE EXISTING HISTORIC ONE STORY HOUSE. 
          I SEE. 
          SO WE, WE RUN INTO TWO, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, ONE IS FIRE, FIRE, UH, SAFETY, UH, THROUGH THE I F C, UM, A 20 FOOT DRIVE. 
          IT'S THE MINIMUM THAT ONE CAN'T, THAT THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL ALLOW FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND, AND FOR ANY LIFE SAFETY ISSUE, UM, REMOVING, REMOVING THAT ROAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WILL DO TWO THINGS WOULD ACTUALLY, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO SPRINKLE THE LAST TWO, TWO UNITS, UH, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE 150 FEET OF, UM, HOSTS LAY BY HAND. 
          UM, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY SEVEN TO $8 A SQUARE FOOT, UH, THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY JUST BE PASSED ALONG. 
          IT, IT, IT REALLY STARTS TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS REALLY DIFFICULT. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          JUST, IT, IT, IT JUST, IT GETS A LITTLE, WE, WE, WE CAN DO IS WE CAN PLANT MORE TREES. 
          WE CAN, UH, EXPLORE, UM, A WAY TO MAYBE BRING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT PLATE HEIGHT DOWN ANOTHER FOOT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THAT. 
          WE, WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, UH, THE PROPORTIONS OF THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK GREAT, BUT, UM, MAYBE BRINGING THAT PITCH LOW DOWN. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT THE ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A FELIX QUESTION, BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP THAT, WELL, THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE DRIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BEING A, A FIRE SAFETY ISSUE, UH, AND THEN THE, THIS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL DID, UH, LEAVE IN THERE LOOKING AT THE MASSING OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          AND, UM, JUST WONDERING, DID Y'ALL EXPLORE AN A NINE FOOT AND AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING HEIGHTS ON THE TWO STORIES TO BRING THE FRONT ELEVATE FRONT BUILDINGS DOWN? UM, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE, WE DID EXPLORE IT ON THE FRONT DWELLINGS AS WELL, BUT THEN THE QUESTION OF HIERARCHY CAME UP RIGHT BETWEEN THE FRONT UNITS AND THE REAR UNITS. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE, THE, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM OUR CONCEPTUAL PRESENTATION, WE HAD THE CROSS SECTION 
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AND WE WERE, THE HILL GOES UP AS YOU GO, UM, INTO THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO IF WE MATCH THE PLATE HEIGHTS OF THE FRONT STRUCTURES TO THE REAR STRUCTURES, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY WOULD BE THE SAME AND THERE WOULD BE NO MORE HIERARCHY. 
          AND THEN, UH, RICARDO MENTIONED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, THE, THE PROPORTIONS, RIGHT? IT, IT DID START READING SQUATTY, JUST, UM, AND I THINK THAT PARTIALLY IT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, RIGHT? TO SOFTEN THINGS UP, BUT THEN WE ALSO DON'T WANNA MAKE UGLY BUILDINGS. 
          UM, SO , IT'S, IT WAS A TOUGH ONE. 
          I DID WANT TO POINT SOMETHING OUT THAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE, UM, RELEVANT TO THE, THE DOUBLE DRIVEWAY QUESTION. 
          UM, COULD YOU PULL UP THE STREET SECTION ELEVATION, PLEASE? I DIDN'T NUMBER THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT BETWEEN THE CORNER HOUSE ON BURLESON AND CHERRY, AND THEN THE SMALLER HOME, SO RIGHT THERE, WHERE, UM, WHERE THE CURSOR'S AT, THAT'S ACTUALLY TWO DRIVEWAYS, SIDE BY SIDE. 
          THERE, THERE IS A FENCE IN BETWEEN THEM. 
          RIGHT? BUT THAT IS TWO DRIVEWAYS SIDE BY SIDE. 
          AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER CONDITION SIMILAR TO THAT, UM, NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, SAME, SAME STREET SECTION ELEVATION. 
          YEAH, BETWEEN 10 18 AND 10 24. 
          WE ALSO HAVE DRIVEWAYS SIDE BY SIDE AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S A FENCE THERE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A FENCE IN OURS, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MIMIC OR RECREATE THAT SITUATION OR, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET? IS ANYONE READY TO ATTEMPT A MOTION? WELL, MR. CHAR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY HAVE AGREED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 5, 6, AND EIGHT. 
          WOULD YOU INCLUDE THOSE? YES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, TO INCLUDE, UH, STIPULATIONS 1, 5, 6, AND EIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I'M JUST GONNA COMMENT THAT, I MEAN, I AM NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION AT THE STAKE HERE. 
          UM, THERE WAS A D R C A WEEK AGO, AND I, AND I WASN'T THERE, BUT I SEE THE COMMENTS FROM MY COMMISSIONERS WHERE I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE SOME COMMENTS THAT ARE ALSO STILL, UM, IN SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED IN THE MOTION. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? NAYYY. 
          SAVINA. 
          NAYYY VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES AYE. 
          MAKA, NAYYY GROUP. 
          NAYYY AND CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND PET AYE. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT WAS THE VOTE COUNT ON THAT, PLEASE. 
          IT WAS FIVE TO THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          IN THE NEGATIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT THEN MAYBE IT HELP TO, UH, GET US MOVING. 
          UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE D R C AND THE COMMENTS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS, CONSIDER THEM SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? THE COMMENTS OF THE D R C AND THE COMMENTS. 
          LET'S SAY TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND SEVEN. 
          MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WITH WHAT'S PRESENTED BEFORE US TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, THE, THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION POINTS THAT THE CHAIRMAN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, THAT THERE'S A, THERE, THAT THERE'S KIND OF A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE, THE DESIGNERS ARE, UM, ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM AS WELL. 
          AND THAT THIS IS A, LIKE A STANDING POINT. 
          THIS MEANS THAT, THAT, THAT THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE AND THE INTENT OF THE DESIGNER AND HOW THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THAT COMMUNITY WITHIN, UH, EXISTING, UH, CONDITIONS IN THE URBAN FABRIC THERE. 
          THIS IS NOT THE ONLY ONE LIKE IT, THERE'S A COUPLE DOWN THE STREET JUST LIKE IT. 
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I WOULD THINK THAT THIS IS DONE BETTER. 
          THE, THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF YARD TO BUILDING COVERAGE IS, IS MUCH GREATER THAN, THAN, THAN THE DENSITY THAT'S CREATED FURTHER UP BY THE HAY STREET BRIDGE. 
          UH, BUT THAT A MOTION TO, TO, TO, UH, A PASS AS PRESENTED WITH THE STIPULATIONS BASICALLY REPRESENTS THAT PLACE WHERE, UH, WE'VE REACHED THE GREATEST PART OF OUR, UH, AGREEMENT THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THE APPLICANT COULD THEN, UH, UM, UH, UH, NOT PASS AND GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S KIND OF COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THE, TO THE, TO OUR SIDE OF THE, OF THE NEGOTIATION THAT WHERE I TYPICALLY TELL A, UH, AN APPLICANT PUT YOUR HEELS IN THE GROUND AND FIGHT FOR IT. 
          WELL, THERE'S A CERTAIN PART WHERE WE PUT OUR HEELS IN THE GROUND AS WELL. 
          AND, AND MOST TYPICALLY, WE, WE PUSH THE, THE DESIGN APPLICANT OUT OF THEIR, OUT OF THE, THE GROUP THEY CREATED IN THE GROUND. 
          I THINK THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE, IN THE NEGOTIATION OR IN THE WHO GETS WHAT, THAT, THAT PERHAPS THIS IS NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE, AND IT'S A STANDOFF. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN AN APPLICANT HAS PUT SO MUCH DUE DILIGENCE IN FRONT THAT THEN IT COME BECOMES OUR OBLIGATION TO UNDERSTAND, WELL, MAYBE WE'RE ASKING TOO MUCH. 
          UH, SO I HOPE THE COMMISSION WILL TAKE THOSE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR HERE AT TIME. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, SO I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH APPROVING. 
          UM, SO IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS AGREEING TO, UH, UH, PROPERTY ONE AND TWO PROTOTYPE, I THINK THERE'S A FEW THINGS LIKE THE DOORS, THE SIDE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY COME BACK WITH THAT, THOSE CHANGES. 
          I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PROVING THE PROJECT WITH, UM, PROTOTYPE B, NO PROTOTYPE C BEING EXACTLY THE SAME FOR FOUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TWO AND FOUR, SO THEY'LL BE BEING EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, AND I, AND, AND THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH A FIGHT OR GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          I THINK THAT WAS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OVER THE LINE. 
          I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO, AND I SAID IT IN LAST COMMISSION, IS WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH WHAT WE'RE PROVING, PUTTING IN, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU, MR. SGA SAID EARLIER, IT WAS A HODGEPODGE, AND IT'S WHAT IT'S BECOME, RIGHT? AND I FEEL, SO WHEN WE DO IN, YOU KNOW, APPROVE A PROJECT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE ARE MANY, MANY HISTORIC HOMES AND STILL PEOPLE LIVING THERE, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BIG GAP BETWEEN ALL THE NEW BUILDS AND WHAT'S WE ARE PROVING, UH, SORRY. 
          AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, THEN I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO DO IT WITH HIGH STANDARDS AND REALLY LOOK AT WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE PROVING. 
          SO BASICALLY HERE IT WOULD BE FOUR HOMES THE SAME. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD YET. 
          NOT THAT MANY. 
          WHERE TWO THIRDS OF THE PROJECT ARE EQUALLY THE SAME. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE REASON FOR, I WOULD SAY I WOULD RECOMMEND THE D R C FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WAS THAT A MOTION? I MEAN, IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO COMMENT, I COULD, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT SENDING YOU BACK TO D R C BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERYTHING AGAIN, OR THE WHOLE PROJECT. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, OF COURSE, IT'S A HOLISTIC PROJECT, BUT UNDERSTANDING WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE FRONT HOMES, AND I THINK THOSE ARE KIND OF ALSO A LITTLE BIT IN LINE WITH, UH, ITEM SIMULATION NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS PROBABLY MATERIAL, LOCATIONS, FENESTRATION PATTERNS, ET CETERA, COLORS SPECIFICALLY TO THE FRONT TWO HOMES, WHICH ARE THE FRONT OF THE STREET. 
          AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT, UH, PROTOTYPE C, UM, AND, UH, SEE WHERE WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S STIPULATION TWO. 
          SO, I MEAN, WE COULD APPROVE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS, BUT YOU'LL STILL HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          SO I, SO I WOULD DO A MOTION TO MOVE TO D R C WITH THOSE COMMENTS. 
          UM, QUESTION, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN AN APPROVAL FOR THE FRONT FOUR BUILDINGS? IF WE AGREE TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THE, THE BACK TWO AND SEE IF WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THERE SO THAT IT'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENT TYPOLOGY OR, OR BUILDING LANGUAGE? WELL, IF THIS LOT WAS DIVIDED IN SIX DIFFERENT LOTS, AND WE SAY WE APPROVE A LOT, ONE AND TWO, YES, BUT THIS IS TWO LOTS. 
          SO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE WHOLE PROJECT. 
          AND, AND WHAT COULDN'T END UP THERE IS A PROJECT DOWN FURTHER ON HAY STREET WHERE MAYBE, I MEAN, SOMEHOW YOU'RE JOINING MORE OF THE HOMES, MAKING SOME, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COMMON DRIVEWAY. 
          I THINK YOU'VE JUSTIFIED THAT. 
          I THINK YOU'VE JUSTIFIED, I MEAN, SOME OF IT, IT JUST, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF UNKNOWN HERE IN THE BACK THAT'S GOING ON, BUT THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE 
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APPROVING THE FRONT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL BE, I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT YET. 
          SO EVEN, EVEN THOUGH, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CONCERN IS THAT THE, THE, THE BACK FOUR BUILDINGS ARE THE SAME, RIGHT? AND THEIR MIRRORS, RIGHT, BUT THEY'RE STILL THE SAME. 
          WELL, BASICALLY WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GONNA BE THREE AND THEN A FOURTH OPTION, OPTION IS TODAY PRESENTED TO US AS ONE OPTION FOR ALL FOUR HOMES PENDING AN AMENDMENT. 
          I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          MAYBE YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT YOU WANNA DO ON PROPERTY NUMBER ON THE OWNER TO BUILD SUIT. 
          WHAT DO YOU ALREADY CALL IT? AND I AGREE THAT'S HARD BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT, BUT ONCE THEN WE'RE RIGHT NOW APPROVING EXACTLY TWO THIRDS OF A PROJECT IS EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          AND YOU HAVE ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB IN FINDING DIFFERENTIATING THINGS IN WITHIN A LOT, WITHIN A SEVERAL PROPERTIES, WITHIN A LOT, RIGHT? AND SO, I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL REQUESTS, RIGHT? WE WERE, WE WERE TRYING TO BE, BE PROACTIVE, RIGHT? BUT IF WE NEED TO LEAVE BUILDING FOUR ALONE, WE, WE WILL, RIGHT? WE, I THINK THE SIDELIGHTS AT THE FRONT, WE CAN EASILY MODIFY THOSE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRADITIONAL IN PROFILE. 
          UM, IF THE SIDELIGHT ITSELF ISN'T AN ISSUE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE 12 OR 18 INCHES WIDE VERSUS THREE FOOT WIDE ON THE DECK. 
          AND ACTUALLY YOUR FLOOR PLAN SHOWS A, A NARROWER SIDE LIGHT THAN THE ELEVATION DOES. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO WE CAN EASILY FIX THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UM, AND THE RECTANGULAR WINDOWS, IF IF, CAN WE, ARE WE OKAY WITH THE SQUARE ONES AT THE BATHROOMS BECAUSE OF THE CODE CONCERN? UM, AGAIN, BUILDING CODE IS SEPARATE FROM THE DESIGN GUIDELINE STUFF, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE REAL IMPLICATIONS THAT WHEN IN WET AREAS, THE SILL HEIGHT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF FIVE FEET, AND THE HEAD HEIGHT IS LIMITED BY OUR, BY OUR HEADER, RIGHT? WE ALREADY SHRUNK THE BUILDINGS DOWN. 
          SO, SO OUR GUIDELINES, RIGHT? ARE WE, WE CAN'T TRUNK CODE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE , CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT ACTUALLY HE CAN JUST MOVE ? YEAH. 
          LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE GET A, A MOTION A SECOND TO THE MOTION, AND THEN WE CAN FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          SO, WELL, I'LL SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS TO D R C. 
          UM, OKAY, WELL, 1, 1, 1 OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT APPLICANT JUST SAID IS, IS SO IMPORTANT TO EVERY DIALOGUE THAT WE HAVE, HE GAVE US A MINIMUM, AND THEN HE RELATED IT TO THE PLATE LINE. 
          I, I MEAN, HE, HE'S, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRAINTS THAT CREATE DESIGN, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST THE PARAMETERS THAT CREATE DESIGN, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO US SAYING, WELL, IF YOU MOVE THE PLATE, AND WE'RE IN A WHOLE NOTHER DIALOGUE, RIGHT? SO IN, IN OTHER WORDS, SOMETIMES THE ENVIRONMENT, THE, THE INTERIOR, THE EXTERIOR, THE PLATES, ALL THAT, THEY CREATE THE DIMENSIONS. 
          SO THIS IDEA THAT WE JUST PICK WHATEVER DIMENSION WE WANT, OR THEN A PERSON PICKS WHATEVER DIMENSION THAT THEY WANT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. 
          THE, THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU WORK WITHIN THE PARAMETERS. 
          AND IF YOU TAKE, UH, UH, ARTISTIC LICENSE, YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN STRETCH IT. 
          BUT THE MOST TYPICAL OF THE HOUSES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IN THAT COMMUNITY ARE GONNA HAVE A PLATE HEIGHT. 
          THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE CONSISTENT, AND IT'S DRIVEN BY CERTAIN FORCES. 
          SO HE SHOULDN'T REALLY HAVE TO BE PRESENTING THAT WINDOW AND WHY THAT WINDOW IS SQUARE AS IF IT'S AN ANOMALY. 
          IT'S NOT AN ANOMALY. 
          UH, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY INFORMED BY JUST THAT ONE LITTLE DETAIL, THAT ONE LITTLE DISCUSSION THAT HE'S HAVING WITH US ABOUT THAT WINDOW TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MADE. 
          WE SHOULDN'T BE. 
          UH, SO MICROMANAGING, UH, THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THE MOTION TO SEND THIS TO D R C? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ A MORALES AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          ANTES, THIS AYE. 
          AND BUTZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SO I WOULD SAY WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME STRONG DIFFERENCING DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AMONGST THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, AND I'D SAY ANY COMMISSIONER WHO HAS STRONG OPINIONS, PLEASE SHOW UP TO THIS D R C I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 13. 
          AND JUST A QUICK NOTE THAT ITEM 12 1 32 E MAGNOLIA WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT TO, UH, THE JULY 20TH H D R C HEARING. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE'RE ITEM 13 ON THE AGENDA. 
          H D R 
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C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 1 7 1 38 BEVERLY DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE TWO METAL SASH CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH A FIXED VINYL WINDOW AND A THREE PANEL SLIDING VINYL WINDOW. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE WINDOWS IN KIND OR PROPOSE A WINDOW TYPE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS. 
          FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, PRESENT. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          UM, SIR, IF YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          YES. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, BOARD MEMBERS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S, UH, ROLAND RODRIGUEZ. 
          I RESIDE AT 1 38 BEVERLY DRIVE, AND I'M HERE TO RESPECTIVELY REQUEST THE REPLACEMENT OF TWO LARGE CASEMENT WINDOWS. 
          AND THE REASON I WANTED TO REPLACE THEM IS BECAUSE I CANNOT FIND A REPLACEMENT FOR THEM. 
          AND TWO, THEY'RE NOT ENERGY EFFICIENT AT ALL, AND I'M TRYING TO CONCERN SOME ENERGY. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, UH, SLIDE THERE, THEY'RE HUGE WINDOWS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY I COULD, UH, KEEP MY, UH, DENT OR THE, OR THE, UH, DINING ROOM COOL DURING THE SUMMER AND WARM DURING THE WINTER. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW, IF, IF I WERE TO SIT IN ANY OF THOSE ROOMS RIGHT NOW IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          NO, IT'S CLOSE TO SIX. 
          BUT ANYHOW, BY THREE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, IT IS SO HOT IN THERE AND MY AIR CONDITIONER JUST KEEPS RUNNING AND RUNNING AND RUNNING. 
          I MEAN, EVEN THE TREES, IT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL. 
          AND I'M JUST REQUESTING THAT IT'LL BE APPROVED. 
          UH, THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE BEING, THAT I'M REPLACING WITH, THEY'RE DOUBLE PANED. 
          UH, LIKE FOR THAT WINDOW, RIGHT? THERE'S GONNA BE ONE, UH, ON EACH SIDE'S GONNA BE A CAMAN WINDOW, AND THE MIDDLE WILL BE A, UH, UH, PICTURE WINDOW. 
          AND THEN ON THIS OTHER ONE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS GONNA BE A PICTURE WINDOW. 
          I'M NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, UH, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOUSE AT ALL. 
          I LOVE THAT AREA. 
          I LOVE MY HOUSE, AND I KEEP IT NICELY CLEAN. 
          I'M SORRY, COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHICH ONE? IT WILL BE A BIG PICTURE WINDOW. 
          THE ONE ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT? THE ONE ON THE LEFT WILL BE, UH, A SOLID PICTURE WINDOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT WILL HAVE TWO CASEMENTS ON THE SIDES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND SAY YES. 
          PICTURE WINDOW IN THE CENTER AND TWO CASEMENT WINDOWS, THEY'LL OPEN UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H C R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 3 1 7 1 38 BEVERLY DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          WE NOTE CASEMENT WINDOWS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS FOR THE HISTORIC HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT H D R C SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS CASE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C, AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH ANY KIND OR PROPOSE A WINDOW CONSISTENT WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDARD FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AS CITED IN THE STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS INFORMATION IN THE CASE DOCUMENTS. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING OUR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GRU? YES, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, THANK YOU MR. RODRIGUEZ. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS IF YOU LISTEN TO THOSE. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. 
          UM, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE IS TYPE OF WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH. 
          UM, THESE TYPE OF CASEMENT WINDOWS ARE VERY COMMONLY STILL FOUND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN MANY OF THE HOMES. 
          AND I KNOW THEY MIGHT NOT BE ENERGY EFFICIENT. 
          THERE'S ALSO OTHER TYPES OF PROBLEMS WITH THESE OLD HOMES NOT BEING ENERGY EFFICIENT. 
          SO NOT ONLY THE WINDOWS. 
          SO, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A, NO, EXCUSE ME. 
          IT IS A WINDOW MOTION. 
          I CAN'T SIT THERE, I CANNOT SIT THERE AND WATCH TV WITHOUT THE SUN JUST HITTING MY BACK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WOULD APPROVE REPLACING THE WINDOWS, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIND A REPLACEMENT, UM, THAT IS IN KIND OR SIMILAR TO WHAT IS 
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THERE TO THE CASEMENT WINDOWS. 
          SO IF YOU'RE ABLE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS OUT. 
          RIGHT? I WOULD LIKE THAT TOO. 
          BUT I CAN'T FIND A COMPANY THAT MAKES, UH, CASEMENT WINDOWS LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, NOT DOUBLE PAINT AT ALL. 
          'CAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE 'EM, UH, THEY'RE NOT COST SUFFICIENT. 
          AND THEN I THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU'RE GONNA COME IN WITH THESE WINDOWS IS THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE DEPTH AND THE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THEM. 
          I, I, I'M JUST, I'M, I REALLY FIND THESE CASEMENT WINDOWS ARE CHARACTERS. 
          I CAN SEE YOU HAVE MORE CASEMENT WINDOWS ON YOUR HOME. 
          IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND. 
          SO I STAND, I'LL MAKE SURE, BUT THEY'RE NOT FACING THE WEBSITE. 
          THEY'RE NOT FACING THE WESTSIDE MR. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          I HAVE. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, UH, SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, MR. RODRIGUEZ, I COMPLETELY SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU HAVING THE METAL FRAMED WINDOWS BECAUSE THE METAL DOES, I LOVE THE METAL FRAME. 
          THEY, THEY REALLY DO CONDUCT THE HEAT MM-HMM. 
          , UH, PRETTY RAPIDLY. 
          THE, THE METAL FRAME. 
          UM, AND IT MAKES IT SEEM HOTTER AND COLDER WITH THE TEMPERATURE. 
          I THINK THE CRITICAL ISSUE HERE IS HOW CHARACTER DEFINING YOUR PARTICULAR WINDOW ASSEMBLY AND THAT ARRAY OF LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, MULLINS OR, UH, MUS AND THAT PATTERN OF WINDOWS ARE IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          I MEAN, IT IS JUST, IT IS OF THE TIME. 
          IT IS PERFECT. 
          UM, HAVE, YOU CAN, AND ALSO BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE CORNER, THE VISIBILITY IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR YOUR HOUSE. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD, THE DESIRABLE CORNER LOT. 
          BUT NOW YOU HAVE THE HIGHLY VISIBLE CORNER LOT. 
          SO WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THAT PARTICULAR ARRAY OF WINDOWS, METAL FRAME CASEMENT WINDOWS ON A HOUSE LIKE YOURS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE INSERTS THAT YOU CAN GET FOR THE INSIDE OF THE ROOM? AND IT IS A SINGLE LARGE, UH, FRAME THAT HAS A, WHAT IS IT? UH, IS IT A POLYETHYLENE OR IS IT, IT POLYCARBONATE? WELL, UM, WHICH WILL ALSO GIVE YOU A GREATER DEPTH THAN A DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT MIGHT WORK. 
          BUT, UH, STILL DURING THE WINTER, I HAVE THE, UH, AIR, THE, UH, HEATER ON, AND I HAVE CONDENSATION BUILDING INSIDE THE, UH, THE TWO WINDOWS. 
          IF I HAVE IT. 
          IF I MAKE IT THE WAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUESTING ME TO DO, AND I'M CONSTANTLY WIPING OUT THE DIRT, THE WATER. 
          NOW YOU WITHOUT THAT, WITH, WITH THE INSERT, YOU HAVE CONDENSATION WITHOUT THE INSERTS, WITHOUT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT EVEN WITH THE INSERT, I ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. 
          UM, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE MOVING THE, UM, YOU'RE GIVING YOURSELF THAT INSULATED AIR SPACE, WHICH IS WHAT DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOWS DO. 
          SO THE, THE MEETING OF HOT AIR AND COLD AIR AND COLD DAMP AIR MOVES, IT'S ON THE OUTSIDE. 
          IT'S NOT ON THE INSIDE. 
          RIGHT NOW IT'S ON THE INSIDE. 
          RIGHT? WELL, THE WIND AND THE SUN ARE COMING IN THE WINDOW. 
          THAT'S WHY THIS INSERT IS, IS GOOD. 
          IT ADDS A GOOD AMOUNT OF SPACE. 
          RIGHT? IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT AIR SPACE, THE AIR SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO PLANES OF GLASS. 
          IF YOU INCREASE THAT, YOU INCREASE THE THERMAL, UH, BALANCE AND THE INSULATIVE ABILITY. 
          SO ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT I'D SUGGEST THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          INSERT. 
          I DON'T WANNA NAME A, A BRAND. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          , I UNDERSTAND. 
          MY STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A MOTION, BUT I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF NOBODY ELSE MUST HAVE SEEN. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I'LL SEE. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT SOMETHING, SIR, SIR, ON WITH WHAT? WITH THE WINDOW, WHEN YOU WENT IN AND LOOKED AT A NEW WINDOW, DID YOU VISIT WITH ANYBODY IN A, WITH A REPLACEMENT WINDOW THAT COULD MATCH THE DIVISIONS OF THIS WINDOW? THIS LIKE PELLA OR I DID. 
          I DID. 
          I DID. 
          UH, I THINK I HAVE, UM, I CHECKED WITH A CHAMPION WINDOWS MM-HMM. 
          , AND THEY SHOW ME A DESIGN, WHICH I THINK WE, UH, WE SHOW WHAT, UH, WHAT I WAS REQUESTING. 
          AND, UH, WE DID SOME EXPERIMENTS AND THE GUY SHOWED ME THAT, HEY, I GOT A HEAT LAMP HERE, I'M GONNA PUT IT ON, ON THE WINDOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WITH TWO, TWO PANES. 
          AND, UH, THERE WAS NO HEAT COMING IN, RIGHT? NO, NO, BUT I MEAN, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO THEM, UH, UH, PUTTING A WINDOW DESIGN TOGETHER FOR YOU THAT MATCHES THE SAME DIVISIONS. 
          RIGHT? NOT THIS WINDOW, A REPLACEMENT WINDOW, BUT THAT MATCHES THIS ALL OF THE SAME SQUARES THAT YOU HAVE EXISTING ON YOUR WINDOW. 
          NO, NO. 
          THEY, THEY DON'T MAKE A WINDOW LIKE THAT. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, SIR, WHAT, WHAT I 
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WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU PULL YOUR PRO, YOU PULL YOUR APPLICATION, DON'T LET IT GO TO A VOTE. 
          RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT'LL, YOU'LL GET DENIED AND THEN YOU'LL ONLY HAVE A DENIAL, UH, AND GO VISIT A WINDOW REP AND ASK THEM IF THEY CAN DUPLICATE THIS WINDOW IN A NEW WINDOW. 
          NOT, NOT THAT CHANGES. 
          IT PUTS A PICTURE WINDOW AND HAS WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, BUT THAT IS AN EXACT DIVISION OF WINDOWS IN A MODERN WINDOW. 
          AND SEE IF YOU CAN'T FIND ONE AND THEN BRING THAT TO US AND SHOW IT TO US, RIGHT? UH, I COULD DO THAT, BUT ECONOMICALLY IT IS GONNA BE EXPENSIVE FOR ME. 
          AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR. 
          BUT THAT MIGHT HELP YOU BECAUSE IF IT FAILS AND YOU HAVE THAT COMPARISON, THEN YOU CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND REASON WITH THEM. 
          UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A SITUATION THAT, UH, DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU PULL YOUR APPLICATION AND YOU GO VISIT A WINDOW PERSON TO SEE IF THEY CAN DUPLICATE THIS SAME DIVISION OF WINDOWS. 
          AND, AND THEN, AND THEN MAYBE YOU VISIT ONE OR TWO AND SEE IF THERE'S A COST THAT WORKS FOR YOU. 
          AND IF THERE IS, BRING THAT AND PERHAPS IF IT, IF IT, IF IT ACHIEVES THE SAME APPEARANCE THAT IT MIGHT, UH, THAT IT MIGHT PASS. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT, SIR. 
          BUT THE THING IS THAT COMPANIES DON'T MAKE THOSE WINDOWS ANYMORE. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT A WINDOW THAT'S MADE THE WAY THEY MAKE WINDOWS TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOT A METAL CASEMENT WINDOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GO FOR IS A WINDOW WITH THE SAME APPEARANCE. 
          AND THE WINDOW COMPANIES, THEY CAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MAKE WINDOWS. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY CAN MAKE A WINDOW. 
          WE, WE JUST HAD ONE FROM THE, THE GI FORUM. 
          THEY BROUGHT A PELLA, A REP THAT BROUGHT A FIBERGLASS WINDOW IN, IN FRONT OF US. 
          AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMIZABLE DIVISIONS AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU WENT AND CHECKED, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU FAILED RIGHT HERE. 
          AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO CHECK ANYWAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IF YOU PULL IT, YOU DON'T HAVE A STRIKE AGAINST YOU. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          YOU CAN DO MORE RESEARCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THERE'S NO STRIKE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          IF I APPROVE, UH, IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR A REPLACEMENT WINDOW, EITHER IN KIND OR, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S FOUND, THEN THAT GIVES THE LIBERTY TO THE, UH, APPLICANT TO GO FIND WHICHEVER VENDOR THEY WANT. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO I'LL MOVE A MOTION TO APPROVE A REPLACEMENT IN KIND OR A WINDOW CONS, YOU KNOW, UH, WINDOW TYPE, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S EXISTING AND, UH, WITH STAFF STANDARDS STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SECOND. 
          A SECOND AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO REACH OUT TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT VENDORS. 
          WE SAW SOME LAST WEEK, LIKE COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ SAYS IT CAN BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I, I, WINDOWS ARE ONE OF MY PET PEEVES. 
          I LIKE NEW WINDOWS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S JUST ME. 
          BUT IT'S GOTTA LOOK THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW. 
          RIGHT? YOU, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE FORTUNATE THING IS YOU HAVE A, A HISTORICAL HOME AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          UH, YOU WANNA KEEP THAT OKAY AS YOU CAN. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. 
          MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MORALES AYE. 
          MAZUA AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          BANES? YES. 
          AND, BUT SIR, AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 14. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 316. 
          WE JUST LOST QUORUM. 
          YEAH, THIS IS OUR LAST CASE. 
          IF YOU CAN HOLD. 
          OKAY, WE'RE GOOD. 
          KEEP GOING. 
           ADDRESS, FOUR 18 KINGS COURT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEA GAL. 
          BALLOON METAL ROOF REPLACE ALUMINUM SIDING WITH A COMPOSITE LAP SIDING AND PAINT IT THE SAME COLOR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD BE FEATURED. 
          UH, SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT. 
          CRIMPED RIDGE SEAMS THAT A LOW PROFILE OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. 
          IF A RIDGE CAP IS PROPOSED, IT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
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TWO, THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF ELEMENTS INCLUDES CHIMNEY AND FLUIDS BE PRESERVED. 
          UM, THREE, A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO ENSURE THAT ROOFING MATERIALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH APPROVED DESIGN. 
          AN INDUSTRIAL RIDGE CAP IS NOT APPROVED. 
          UH, TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          COMPOSITE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE SIDING TO REPLACE THE NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM SIDING. 
          SIDING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT REPAIR THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING THAT A SIGHTING BE INSTALLED IS BOTH ARCHITECTURALLY AND PERIOD APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT DID CONSENT TO, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS WHILE THE HEARING WAS BEING CONDUCTED. 
          HE IS ALSO HERE ON THE CALL. 
          MR. GALEN, IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          YES. 
          HOW'S IT GOING? YES, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. GALEN. 
          SO YOU DID AGREE TO STEPH'S, IT'S, IT'S GOLAN, BUT GOLAN, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, YOU, YOU DID AGREE TO STAFF'S STIPULATIONS? YES. 
          AS FAR AS THE, THE COMPOSITE SIDING, UM, WE DID LOOK UNDER THERE AND IT DID HAVE, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE IT'S IN OKAY SHAPE THAT THE HOMEOWNER DID AGREE TO, UM, DO THEIR BEST TO TRY TO REPAIR WHAT'S THERE AND THEN REPAINT, BUT I THINK THEY'RE GONNA STICK WITH THE SAME COLOR, UM, THAT'S ON THERE. 
          BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH TRYING TO, UM, REPAIR THE SIDING UNDERNEATH. 
          AS FAR AS THE GAL VALLUM ROOF GOES, UM, I KNOW Y'ALL WANT THE CRIMPED SEAMED RIDGES. 
          UM, WE DON'T, I MEAN, I GUESS AS FAR AS THE STIPULATION GOES FOR THE LOW PROFILE, LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP, UM, WE DON'T INSTALL INDUSTRIAL RIDGE CAPS ON, UH, ON RESIDENTIAL HOMES. 
          AND IF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO SUBMIT TO SHOW, I THINK I, I, I DID SEND A PHOTO IN OF SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT, UH, ALL THE NEW METAL ROOFS AROUND THAT AREA ON, UH, MULBERRY, UH, I GUESS EAST ATCH AND ON, UM, MAGNOLIA, THEY ALL HAD LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAPS AND WE WOULD JUST DO WHAT THEY HAD ON THEIRS OR IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UH, IS THERE ANY VOICEMAILS? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PHOTO OF THE METAL ROOF SAMPLE THAT YOU SUBMITTED, UH, THIS IS THE LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          IT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A VENTILATED RIDGE CAP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S JUST THAT YOUR, YOUR STANDARD RIDGE CAP FOR, UM, A METAL ROOF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND STAFF, DOES THIS MEET YOUR DIMENSIONS OF A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP? UH, ACTUALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, SHOWN, UH, VIA EMAIL HAS AN END CAP. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER AN INDUSTRIAL SIZE RIDGE CAP, UH, WHEN STAFF REFERS TO A LOW PROFILE, UH, RIDGE CAP AND IF THE APPLICANT'S AVAILABLE OR IF THE APPLICANT, UH, CAN, UH, SEE THE SCREEN THAT WE'RE SHARING NOW, I'LL, UH, SHARE A PHOTO. 
          UH, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD REFER TO AS A, UH, RIDGE SLEEVE. 
          UH, SO IT WOULD BE AN EXTREMELY LOW PROFILE. 
          UM, I'LL PULL UP A DIAGRAM FOR YOU IF YOU CAN, UH, JUST BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I DID SUBMIT TWO PHOTOS FROM, UH, EXAMPLES FROM HOMES THAT HAD METAL ROOFS THERE, SO I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE IT AND, AND WE ARE, UH, THEY'RE NOT, UH, WELL, IT MAY BE A FEW REASONS THOSE, UH, MAY HAVE BEEN APPROVED PRIOR TO THE PASSING OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          UH, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE GUIDELINES, WHEN A NEW ROOF IS INSTALLED, IT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED TO BE COMPARABLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DETAIL THAT WOULD BE FOUND IN THE DISTRICT. 
          UM, TO ALLOW APPLICANTS TO HAVE A BIT OF LEEWAY, WE ALLOW FOR A CRIMPED RIDGE CAP. 
          UH, SO ESSENTIALLY YOU WOULD, UH, FOLD YOUR PANELS LIKE YOU WERE GONNA MUNCH THEM AND THEN JUST INSTALL A RIDGE CAP OR RIDGE SLEEVE OVER IT. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE A LOW PROFILE. 
          IT WOULDN'T FEATURE YOU CUTTING THE PANEL SHORT AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE AN END CAP. 
          UH, SO IF YOU CAN, UH, SORRY, I'M NOT SHARING THAT ON THE SCREEN. 
          BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND. 
          WE SAW. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, BASICALLY, UM, THE STANDARD WOULD BE THE CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE FIRST DIAGRAM. 
          UH, THE SOMEWHAT MEANING IN THE MIDDLE WOULD BE THE RIDGE CAP OR THE RIDGE SLEEVE, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE SECOND DIAGRAM. 
          UH, BASICALLY WHAT'S DRAWN IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE THE LAST DIAGRAM. 
          AND 
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HONESTLY, I MEAN THE FLAT RIDGE CAP I THINK IS, IS ALSO FINE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE THE PHOTOS WE TOOK. 
          I MEAN, THE ONE ON MULBERRY IS A BRAND NEW GREEN METAL ROOF. 
          I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT CAN'T BE VERY OLD. 
          UM, OKAY, WELL RIGHT BEHIND THE TRINITY SOCK FIELDS, WELL WE, WE HAVE A, AN ONSITE INSPECTION PROCESS, UH, SO WE CAN MEET WITH YOU ON SITE AND DETERMINE THE RIDGE CAP, THE CORRECT RIDGE CAP BE INSTALLED OR RIDGE SLEEVE COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          UM, LATELY WE HAVE ACTUALLY ALSO SEEN AND GONE TO SITE VISITS AND MANY ROOFS HAVE BEEN MIS INSTALLED IN THE MONTE VITA DISTRICT. 
          AND THEY'RE PROBABLY IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING IT TO WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS LIKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE JUST HAD MANY ROOF CASES THAT MAYBE IN THE SPRING WHEN EVERYBODY DECIDED TO GET A NEW ROOF. 
          SO EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT. 
          I THINK STAFF HAS IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND, AND SIR, I WOULD JUST, UH, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A DIFFICULTY FINDING THE MATERIAL, NOT BEING ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS, THEN COME BACK. 
          BUT I THINK, UH, WE STAND BY THE WHAT, WHAT, UH, STAFF HAS PRESENTED TODAY ARE RECOMMENDING TODAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? AND SORRY, I THINK IT'S, I HAVE TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, IS THAT EITHER REMOVING THAT FROM THE AGENDAS AND STAFF IS COMPLYING WITH THAT OR SHOULD WE, I THINK YOU COULD JUST SIMPLY SAY APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT MOTION I MADE I THINK WAS THAT APPROVED WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          AND ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          SS AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          MORALES? AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT IS THE END OF THE AGENDA AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL.
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