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          OKAY. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          WELCOME EVERYONE TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE. 
          WE HAVE A LOT TO COVER THIS MORNING. 
          UH, SO LET'S GET STARTED. 
          MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL RULE COUNCIL MEMBER MAKI RODRIGUEZ. 
          PRESENT, COUNCIL MEMBER VRAN. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER SANDOVAL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY HERE, CHAIR GABRIEL HDA. 
          HERE, MA'AM, WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          UH, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 10TH MEETING. 
          DO I HAVE, UM, A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? SO MOVE SECOND. 
          UH, WE'LL NOW VOTE ON THE MOTION. 
          UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ARE, ARE WE ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY. 
          ARE WE ABLE TO VOTE ELECTRONICALLY? JUST VOTED FOR THE . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, GENTLEMEN, WE CAN VOTE ON, UM, ON HERE AND YOU CAN ALSO BUZZ IN IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ON HERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. 
          UH, WE'LL NOW BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          TODAY WE HAVE MS. HENRIETTA LAGRANGE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME FOR THE RECORD, IT'S HENRIETTA LAGRANGE, AND I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE GRANT AND INCREASING THE POLICE FORCE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. 
          I LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS AN ALLEY, AND THAT ALLEY IS WIDE OPEN FOR THIEVES AND TWO DOORS DOWN. 
          THERE'S A B AND B. 
          IN A WEEK AND A HALF, IT IS BEEN WIPED CLEAN. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, NOT IN ACCORD WITH HAVING MORE POLICE, I HOPE THEY COME ON BOARD BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DON'T LIVE IN AN AREA THAT HAS CRIME. 
          DISTRICT SEVEN IS INCREASING IN HIGH IN CRIME. 
          SO, FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANNA THANK THAT THE OFFICER THAT MADE THE SCENE WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE, BECAUSE THERE WAS PEOPLE IN THE ALLEY, IT'S OFFICER HUY, AND I'M PROUD OF HIM BECAUSE HE DID CALL ME BACK AND, UH, WAS VERY COURTEOUS. 
          AND I KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT'S RIGHT TO MY LEFT, TO MY RIGHT IS CHIEF MCMANUS, WHICH I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF MS. V GRANT OF HER GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK 50 IS ENOUGH. 
          SO I'M HOPING THAT THE STUDY GIVES US MORE POLICE ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND I, I, YOU KNOW, CRIME IS UP, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T EVEN STOP AT A RED LIGHT. 
          I ALREADY TOLD THE POLICE OUT THERE, IF I'M AT A RED LIGHT AND I SEE SOMEBODY SUSPICIOUS, SUSPICIOUS, I'M RUNNING THE RED LIGHT, I'M NOT GONNA WAIT AND, AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, AND SEE IF THEY HAVE A GUN OR SOMETHING. 
          I'M GONNA RUN. 
          I'M NOT GONNA WAIT. 
          SO IF I'LL GET A TICKET, UH, I HAVE GUESS I HAVE TO PAY A TICKET, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE A VICTIM TO ANYBODY. 
          BUT WE NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          WE NEED MORE THAN WHAT, UH, WHAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR 50. 
          YOU KNOW, SAN ANTONIO IS A GROWING CITY. 
          YOU ALL CHANGED YOUR DISTRICTS. 
          WHY? BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT'S GROWING. 
          SO, MR. PERRY, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. LAG GRANGE, AND THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US TODAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BLESSINGS TO YOU TOO, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          ITEM TWO IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON F Y 2023 MOTOR VEHICLE CRIME PREVENTION AUTHORITY REGIONAL AUTO CRIMES TEAM GRANT. 
          WE HAVE GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF MADAM CHAIR. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          SO I JUST WANNA GO OVER SOME SLIDES HERE ABOUT THE REGIONAL AUTO CRIME TEAM OR THE REACT GRANT, UH, APPLICATION HERE. 
          SO THE GOAL, SIMPLY PUT OF REACT IS TO PREVENT, UH, REDUCE THE INCIDENTS OF AUTO THEFT AND VEHICLE BURGLARY. 
          UH, THEY DO IT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. 
          UM, ONE IS EDUCATION AND ONE IS ENFORCEMENT. 
          IN 2021, THE REACT TEAM, UH, THEY MADE ALMOST 400 ARRESTS. 
          THEY CLEARED NEARLY 200 WARRANTS. 
          UH, THEY RECOVERED 816 VEHICLES, STOLEN VEHICLES 
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AT A NET VALUE OF $12.4 MILLION. 
          SO, AS I MENTIONED, PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS, COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, ARE PART OF THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT, COVERT OPERATIONS, UH, ALONG WITH SALVAGE ART INSPECTIONS AND INTELLIGENCE SHARINGS WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS, UH, OR OTHER WAYS, UH, THAT THEY, THAT THEY WORKED THIS, UH, PROGRAM THROUGH ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND UP UNTIL, UM, AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, B C S O WAS PART OF THE TEAM. 
          THEY WITHDREW, UH, FOR REASONS UNKNOWN TO ME. 
          UH, WE SOLICITED D P S TO JOIN AND THEY HAVE, SO WE'RE WORKING NOW WITH, WITH D P S, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE REACT TEAM. 
          THE GRANTS FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR IS A, THERE'S AN IN-KIND MATCH OF 2.2 MILLION CASH MATCH OF 466,000. 
          AND THE GRANT, UH, ITSELF IS WORTH 8 15 75. 
          AND IT FUNDS SEVEN DETECTIVES AND TWO CIVILIANS. 
          AND, UM, THE FINAL SLIDE, UH, WE ARE, UH, GONNA FORWARD THIS TO CITY COUNCILS FOR APPROVAL AND ACCEPTANCE UPON AWARD OF THE GRANT. 
          AND THAT'LL BE IT, EXCEPT FOR ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF, I'M INTERESTED IN THE, UM, IN THE TECHNIQUES, THE ENHANCEMENTS TO PREVENT THE, WHICH PROGRAM, THE ENHANCEMENTS TO PREVENT THE, THE, UM, VEHICLE, UH, THEFTS AND CRIMES. 
          SURE. 
          WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY? SO THEY WILL, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WILL HAVE A, A DATE WHEN THEY'LL INVITE THE COMMUNITY TO BRING THEIR, THEIR VEHICLES. 
          AND THEY WILL ETCH THE VIN NUMBER ON THE, THE REAR WINDOW, USUALLY THE DRIVER'S SIDE REAR WINDOW, UM, TO HELP, UH, RECOVER STOLEN AUTOS IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS STOLEN. 
          A LOT OF TIMES TOO, WHEN IF, UM, UH, SOMEONE GETTING READY TO STEAL A VEHICLE WILL SEE THE ETCH NUMBER ON THE, ON THE CAR, AND THEY'LL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO. 
          UM, THERE'S A, I MEAN, ALL, ALL OF US IN ALL OUR DISTRICTS HAVE A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, INCREASED AT LEAST A PERCEIVED INCREASE IN VEHICLE THEFTS. 
          AND MINE IS ONE OF THEM IS GREAT NORTHWEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          THEY'RE, I THINK, THE BIGGEST IN THE CITY, AND THEY'RE SEEING AN INCREASE. 
          AND, UM, SO WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO AS FAR AS OUTREACH TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY CAN BRING THEIR VEHICLE IN OR ANY OF THE OTHER ENHANCEMENTS THAT, THAT THIS GRANT IF, IF APPROVED, WILL PROVIDE? UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY? YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, WE'LL TALK TO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT, AT, UH, H O A MEETINGS AND NA MEETINGS. 
          UH, AND THAT'S JUST ASIDE, UH, FROM WHAT THE REACT TEAM WILL DO THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VIDEO I WATCHED LAST NIGHT ON REACT, AND I, IF HAD I SEEN IT EARLIER, I WOULD'VE INCLUDED IT ON THE, UH, ON THE POWERPOINT. 
          BUT THEY DO A PRETTY NICE VIDEO EXPLAINING EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. 
          IS IT A PUBLIC VIDEO? YES. 
          UM, I WONDER IF YOU COULD FORWARD IT TO I'M SURE ALL THE COUNCIL AND WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IT OUT TO OUR CHANNELS TOO. 
          I'LL, UM, AND IF THERE'S A WAY, I GUESS JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING TOO, THIS WOULD GO FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, BUT I, I LEARNED NEW THINGS ABOUT THE SERVICES THAT FIRE AND, AND POLICE PROVIDE ALL THE TIME. 
          IS THERE LIKE A TOOLKIT FOR US TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, UM, A LIST OF WAYS THAT WE CAN GET, WE CAN HELP GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY COUNCIL MEMBER? THERE, THERE IS, UM, INFORMATION THAT'S CONSTANTLY BEING PUT OUT ABOUT HOW TO PREVENT YOUR VEHICLE FROM BEING BROKEN INTO MM-HMM. 
           AND HOW TO PREVENT YOUR VEHICLE FROM BEING STOLEN. 
          AND SO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS PUTTING A CLUB ON YOUR, ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL, UM, MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON'T LEAVE THINGS VISIBLE IN YOUR MM-HMM. 
           IN YOUR CAR MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY GET BROKEN INTO, IF THERE'S SOMETHING LEFT ON THE FRONT SEAT OR BACK SEAT THAT A WOULD-BE CAR BURGLAR WOULD SEE, THEY'RE GONNA GO IN AND GET IT. 
          WELL, AND AGREED. 
          I THINK, I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD, MARIA. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CHAIRWOMAN, UH, I WAS GONNA ADD TO WHAT THE CHIEF SAID. 
          UH, TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A LIST OF THOSE, UH, PROGRAMS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY BOTH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, SO YOU CAN HELP US PROMOTE 'EM. 
          UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THE COMMUNITY MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH. 
          SO WE'LL REACH OUT TO, TO, TO YOUR COUNCIL OFFICES AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION SO YOU CAN HELP US PROMOTE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS, UM, LOOKING FOR. 
          I KNOW, UH, WE HAD A, A PRESIDENT'S ASSOCIATION MEETING IN, UM, DISTRICT SIX A WHILE BACK, AND WE HAD FIRE COME AND TALK ABOUT THE FREE, UM, UM, SMOKE DETECTORS AND 
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THE, THE SURPRISE ON EVERYBODY'S FACES, YOU KNOW, IS TELLING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, UM, I JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT MYSELF NOT THAT LONG AGO, AS A MATTER OF FACT, HERE AT A PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S THE SORT OF THING WE'RE SPENDING RESOURCES AND, AND MONEY ON. 
          I WANNA BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITIES ARE USING IT. 
          AND, AND SO OF COURSE, I'D LIKE TO HELP GET THE INFORMATION OUT. 
          I JUST, ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          DO WE EVER COORDINATE WITH D P S ON VEHICLE THEFTS WITH THE STATE? DO WE COORDINATE WITH D P S? MM-HMM. 
          ? YES, MA'AM. 
          THEY'RE PART OF THIS REACT TEAM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          MAYBE IT USED TO BE THE SHERIFF AND NOW IT'S D P SS. 
          OKAY. 
          MAYBE WOULD YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE REACT TEAM DOES? SURE. 
          UM, SO IT'S PRIMARILY THEY WORK TO PREVENT, UH, VEHICLE BURGLARIES AND VEHICLE THEFTS, AND THEN TO RECOVER THE VEHICLES. 
          ONCE THEY ARE STOLEN, THEY LOOK AT CHOP SHOPS, AND I MEAN, THEY, THEY DO A DEEP DIVE INTO PATTERN VEHICLE THEFTS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR SOLE AND PRIMARY GOAL IS TO RE, IS TO, UM, UH, ELIMINATE REDUCE DE VEHICLE BURGLARIES AND VEHICLE THEFTS. 
          AND IT'S, AND IT IS A PROBLEM HERE. 
          UH, IF YOU OWN A PICKUP TRUCK, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY THAN SOMEONE WHO OWNS A, A CAR TO GET YOUR, YOUR TRUCK STOLEN. 
          STARTING WITH, UH, F ONE FIFTIES, TWO FIFTIES AND THREE FIFTIES, REALLY. 
          AND, UH, CHAIRWOMAN, I WANTED TO ADD ALSO WHAT THE CHIEF MENTIONED. 
          THE REACT PROGRAM IS A STATEWIDE PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, THEY'RE ALSO IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITIES, UM, ACROSS THE STATE. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF COORDINATION AND COMMUNICATION THAT HAPPENS TO ENSURE THAT WE PREVENT THEFT AND RECOVER VEHICLES. 
          UM, SO, SO AGAIN, THE STATE ACTUALLY PROVIDES A, UM, A REPORT, AN ANNUAL REPORT WITH THE RESULTS OF THE REACT PROGRAM FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          I'D, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TOO, IF SURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE MY, UH, COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I'LL MOVE ON TO MEMBER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, I THINK WE HAD COUNCILMAN, UM, PERRY. 
          YES, YOU HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          UM, YEAH, CHIEF ON SLIDE NUMBER THREE HERE, YOU GOT THE PROGRAM RESULTS FOR 2021, AND, UM, THE NUMBERS LOOK GREAT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THAT RECOVERED VEHICLES 816, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S HUGE. 
          UM, BUT HOW MANY IS, WHAT'S THE TOTAL, WHAT'S THE UNIVERSE THERE? WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF, OF VEHICLES THAT WERE STOLEN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL GET THAT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT OFFHAND. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE 816 SOUNDS A HUGE, HUGE NUMBER. 
          SEVEN, SEVEN GRAND A YEAR. 
          7,000 A YEAR. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO A LITTLE OVER 10%. 
          UM, YEAH, MAYBE WE NEED, NEED TO GET BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITIES AND DO SOME MORE EDUCATION, LIKE ON YOUR, ON YOUR SLIDE, UH, WITH SOME HARD HITTING FI FACTS LIKE THAT, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING 7,000 VEHICLES A YEAR AND WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY RECOVERING 816. 
          I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT NUMBER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO ME. 
          AND, AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T TRY TO KEEP IT A SECRET THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UH, AND ANY OTHER CHANCE WE GET. 
          AND, AND THE, I THINK THE PROBLEM WE FACE IS THAT EVERYBODY'S ATTITUDE IS, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO ME, SO I'M NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT. 
          AND THEN SAME THING WITH OTHER THINGS. 
          DRUNK DRIVING, I'M NOT GONNA GET ARRESTED FOR DWI. 
          I, I CAN, I CAN HAVE A FEW DRINKS, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T WEAR A SEATBELT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN TO ME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IT HAPPENS, IT HAPPENS ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND, AND, AND THIS ONE IS THE, UH, VEHICLE BURGLARIES AND VEHICLE THEFTS. 
          THERE'S NO EXCEPTION. 
          DO YOU HAVE A HEAT MAP SHOWING THE INCIDENTS AROUND SAN ANTONIO ONE? YEAH, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL, TO SEE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THESE THEFTS ARE TAKING PLACE. 
          AND THEN WOULD THIS TEAM BE PROACTIVE IN OR WORKING WITH PATROLS, THAT KIND OF THING, TO TRY TO STOP THESE THINGS FROM, AND, AND I'M GETTING BACK TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE ON, ON THE POLICE FORCE. 
          PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR MORE PATROLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH COULD DETER, OR I THINK WOULD DETER, UH, VEHICLE THEFTS IF, UH, PATROLMEN WERE MORE VISIBLE OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND THAT COMES WITH NUMBERS. 
          SURE. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, THAT WE NEED MORE 
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TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE OF THOSE PATROLS IN THE COMMUNITIES AND, AND, UH, HAVE A BIGGER DETERRENT OUT THERE FOR THIS. 
          AND, AND, AND MUCH OF THIS HAPPENS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY SHOPPING MALLS, UM, GROCERY STORE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          GOT YOU. 
          SO THAT, AND, AND THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER PART OF THE CHALLENGE, BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T TYPICALLY PATROL SHOPPING MALL LOTS OR, UH, STORE LOTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND IT, IT'S ACT IT'S MORE THAN JUST VEHICLE THEFTS. 
          I'VE SEEN PICTURES IN MY COMMUNITY WHERE SOMEBODY GETS OUT IN THE MORNING TO GO CRANK UP THEIR TRUCK OR CAR, AND IT'S SITTING ON FOUR BLOCKS AND ALL THE WHEELS AND TIRES ARE GONE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. 
          UM, LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF THAT AS WELL. 
          OR STEALING CA CATALYTIC CONVERTERS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER RAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND AGAIN, ALL OF THIS TYING TOGETHER IS THAT, UM, WE'VE GOT TO GET IN, MY, MY OPINION AND A LOT OF PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ACROSS THIS CITY IS WE NEED MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT ON THE STREETS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS, BUT WOW. 
          7,000 A YEAR. 
          UM, WITH THAT, I MOTION TO APPROVE AND SEND THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL, UM, COUNCILMAN MEHI RODRIGUEZ. 
          UM, SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START NECESSARILY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, UM, BASED ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE GRANT, WHAT'S THE RATE OF RECOVERY? SO YOU SAID, UM, THERE'S 816 THAT HAVE BEEN RECOVERED, 7,000 A YEAR. 
          HAS IT INCREASED OVER THE YEARS? THAT 7,000 NUMBER? I BELIEVE IT HAS. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT FIGURES, BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? OKAY, I GOT SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU IF YOU WANT TO. 
          SO LET'S GO BACK TO 2011. 
          SO WE'LL GO BACK. 
          2011, COME UP THROUGH 2021, UH, THROUGH OCTOBER 5,800, UH, 20 12 6320 13, 6520 14 71. 
          WE GO DOWN IN 20 15, 6100 BACK UP IN 2016 TO 7,200, BACK DOWN IN 2017 TO 68, BACK DOWN IN 2018 TO SIX, UH, 6,000 2019, 7,000 SEVEN HUNDRED TWENTY, TWENTY SIXTY SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWENTY ONE THROUGH OCTOBER 7,200. 
          WOW. 
          UM, DO WE KNOW THE, HOW LONG HAVE WE HAD THIS GRANT FOR A YEAR? OH, WE'VE HAD IT, UH, GOING BACK, UH, 9, 9 20, WHAT? 29? TWO NINE YEARS? 29. 
          20 20 19. 
          20 19, 29, 20 19. 
          OH, 29, I'M SORRY. 
          29 YEARS. 
          SORRY. 
          DO WE HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM 2011 TO 2021 OF HOW MANY VEHICLES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED? NOT OFFHAND. 
          I, I CAN GET THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE REASON I ASK THAT IS, I, I'M WONDERING IF, AS, I MEAN, IT'S GONE UP AND DOWN AND UP AND DOWN A FEW TIMES, IT'S FLUCTUATED QUITE A BIT. 
          I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHY THAT IS, THAT IS FLUCTUATING AND WHAT, WHAT SPURS IT EACH OF THESE YEARS THAT IT DOES INCREASE, AND WHAT CHANGES AT EACH OF THE YEARS THAT IT, UM, DECREASES. 
          AND I WOULD, THE REASON I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IT, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES RECOVERY EACH TO THOSE YEARS IS TO SEE DOES THE, IS THE PROGRAM WORKING EFFECTIVELY AND CONSISTENTLY? BECAUSE 11% IS A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME. 
          WHEN I THINK OF, UM, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE GRANT, YOU GUYS WOULD STILL BE PERFORMING THE SAME SERVICE. 
          RIGHT? YOU WOULD STILL BE WORKING TO RECOVER VEHICLES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? WE WOULD. 
          AND SO IF YOU DID NOT HAVE THIS GRANT, WOULD YOU BE AT 11% OF VEHICLES RECOVERED STILL? LIKE, IS THIS A HUGE SUPPLEMENT TO THAT, OR IS IT MARGINAL? AND SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION TO KNOW. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, I I GUESS THAT'LL LEAD ME TO THE NEXT QUESTION. 
          WHAT ARE THE METRICS OF SUCCESS FOR THIS PROGRAM? 'CAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT 11% OF VEHICLES RECOVERED IS NECESSARILY THE GOAL OF SUCCESS. 
          SO IS THERE A, A METRIC OR A GOAL BASED ON THIS GRANT PROGRAM? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A, DON'T HAVE NUMBER PREVENTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER, BUT PREVENTION IS THE GOAL. 
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COUNCILMAN, I THINK WHEN WE PROVIDE YOU WITH THE REPORT FROM THE STATE, AS I MENTIONED THIS, A STATE PROGRAM WHERE THE STATE ENCOURAGES LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO PARTICIPATE. 
          AND IS, IS, UM, ONE OF THE, THE AREAS I MENTIONED AS A COORDINATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, OUR PROXIMITY TO THE BORDER IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE, THAT WE FACE, UH, FOR VEHICLES GOING DOWN SOUTH. 
          AND AS CHIEF MENTIONED, THERE'S SOME MODELS OF VEHICLES THAT ARE TARGETED, UH, HERE IN TEXAS AND HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          PICKUP TRUCKS IS ONE OF THOSE, UM, AREAS. 
          BUT I THINK THE RAPPORT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE STATE, AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE SPECIFIC GOAL OF THE STATE, BUT WE ALIGN WITH, WITH THAT PROGRAM. 
          BUT, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A MEMO AND INCORPORATE THAT, THAT, UM, INFORMATION BEFORE WE TAKE THIS TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M WONDERING, UM, I JUST HEARD THAT ONE OF THE GOALS IS PREVENTION. 
          UM, ASIDE FROM THE SEVEN DETECTIVES AND TWO CIVILIANS THAT ARE FUNDED THROUGH THIS PARTIALLY, UM, WHAT, WHAT ELSE DOES THIS PROGRAM FUND? JUST THE SEVEN POSITIONS AND THE TWO, UM, SEVEN SWORN AND TWO CIVILIAN POSITIONS. 
          SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT IS PREVENTION? I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN? SO WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THE SEVEN DETECTIVES AND THE TWO CIVILIANS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THAT'S PREVENTION? THEY'RE INVESTIGATING, UM, CAR THEFT RINGS. 
          UM, BY BREAKING THEM UP, YOU PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND AGAIN, THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL, UH, COMPONENT TO THIS, AND THEY ARE ALSO GOING OUT DOING THE EDUCATIONAL PART OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I, I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE NOT SURE WHY THE BEX COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, BACKED OUTTA THE PROGRAM. 
          I'M WONDERING, MARIA, DO YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T COUNCILMAN, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, I DO WANTED TO ADD COUNCILMAN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT YOUR QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S A SURCHARGE, UH, OF $4 ON, ON THE INSURANCE THAT WE PAY. 
          SO THAT'S HOW THIS PROGRAM IS FUNDED THROUGH THE STATE, THROUGH THE, UM, FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM EVERYBODY IN TEXAS. 
          I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE REQUIRE THE MATCH REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO WHEN GRANTS LIKE THIS COME BEFORE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FUNDING $815,785, OUR MATCH IS, YOU KNOW, A MATCH. 
          AND THEN SOME, IT'S LIKE, MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE IN-KIND MATCH WHEN I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT IS. 
          AND THEN THE CASH MATCH, WHICH IS, I'M SURE, WHAT IS THE IN-KIND MATCH? CAN SOMEONE SHARE THAT FOR ME? SAY AGAIN? WHAT IS THE IN KIND MATCH THAT WE'RE DOING? THE IN-KIND MATCH IS, UH, 2.2 MILLION. 
          NO, I KNOW THE AMOUNT. 
          I'M WONDERING WHAT ARE WE, SO AN IN KIND ISN'T JUST DOLLARS, OH, AND ANY KIND OF, SOME SORT OF, IT'S, IT'S VEHICLES, OTHER EQUIPMENT, TIME SPENT, UH, PERSONNEL. 
          THAT'S A HUGE IMPLICATION ON THE CITY'S BUDGET. 
          SO I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE RECIDIVISM RATE? SO HOW MANY OF THE FOLKS THAT YOU ENCOUNTER ARE REPEAT OFFENDERS? I DON'T ANY INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. 
          SO WE'LL GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION. 
          COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU. 
          THE LAST TIME THAT YOU PRESENTED THIS GRANT LAST YEAR, UM, I ASKED, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THE PROGRAM INNOVATIVE? ARE WE USING EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGIES? ARE WE CONSULTING WITH CRIMINOLOGISTS? UM, CAN SOME OF THESE FUNDS BE USED TO FUND A CRIMINOLOGIST? WE CAN BE, BEGIN USING SOME, UM, SCIENTIFIC AND RE RESEARCH BASED DECISIONS ON POLICING. 
          AND THESE ARE STILL MY QUESTIONS, AND I FEEL AS THOUGH IF IT WAS A DEPARTMENT, LIKE, UH, IF WE HAD TAMIKA UP HERE, IF WE HAD CLAUDE JACOBS, IF WE HAD A NUMBER, IF WE HAD DOUG FROM SUSTAINABILITY, IF WE HAD A NUMBER OF THEM COMING UP HERE AND ASKING FOR OVER, YOU KNOW, TWO AND THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN GOT SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT WE GOT TODAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT THEM RECEIVING SO MUCH MONEY. 
          AND SO I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY, MAY I ASK YOU, UM, TO EXTEND YOUR TIME IN A MINUTE, WHAT, WHAT WERE THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED FOR LAST YEAR? WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING 'EM? SO, HOW IS THE PROGRAM INNOVATIVE? ARE WE USING EVIDENCE-BASED STRATEGIES? ARE WE CONSULTING WITH A CRIMINOLOGIST ON THIS? UM, CAN SOME OF THESE FUNDS BE USED TO FUND A CRIMINOLOGIST, UM, SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN USING SOME SCIENTIFIC AND RESEARCH-BASED 
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DECISIONS ON POLICING BECAUSE OF WHAT IT DOES FUND? I UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN'T BE USED TO FUND A CRIMINOLOGIST, BUT I'M WONDERING, CAN WE AT LEAST CONSULT WITH ONE? I WOULD ALSO ADD, WHICH CITIES AND STATES AROUND THE NATION HAVE AT ONE POINT EXPERIENCED, UM, YOU KNOW, INCREASED AUTO THEFT AND THEN FOUND A SOLUTION THAT REALLY WORKED FOR THEM. 
          ARE THERE ANY CITIES OR STATES THAT ARE LEADING THE NATION IN A, IN A PROGRAM? AND IS THERE SOME, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO THAT'S DIFFERENT? THANK YOU. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET, UM, THOSE ANSWERS IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD FROM PUBLIC SAFETY? OR IF IT COMES BACK ANOTHER TIME TO GET THOSE SPECIFIC ANSWERS? WE CAN, WE CAN CHECK WHETHER THE DEPARTMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN, IN MY TRAVELS AND IN MY CONVERSATIONS AND IN MY READINGS, UM, THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE THAT HAS A GOLD STANDARD PROGRAM TO PREVENT AUTO THEFT. 
          UM, EVERYBODY'S DOING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON, UM, ORGANIZED INGS. 
          THEY'RE FOCUSING ON CHOP SHOPS. 
          UH, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON PUBLIC EDUCATION, BUT THEY'RE, BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK, UH, DIG A LITTLE MORE, BUT IN, IN ALL MY READINGS AND, AND CONVERSATIONS, THERE'S NO, UH, GOLD STANDARD PROGRAM OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS, UM, THE, THE LAST QUESTION, BUT THERE WERE, UH, A NUMBER OF OTHERS THAT, THAT COUNCILMAN ASKED. 
          I JUST, I'M CURIOUS IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THE, SOME RESPONSES TO THAT. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          AND THE ANSWER IS YES, AND I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, THIS, UH, PROGRAM IS RUN BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THE, THE FUNDS THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR ARE FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM, UH, MOTORISTS WITHIN TEXAS. 
          SO THE, THE REQUEST, UM, OR ONE OF ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR US TO APPLY FOR THOSE FUNDS IS TO BE ABLE TO MATCH SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO IN TERMS OF USING THE FUNDS FOR CRIMINOLOGISTS, THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UH, WE, YOU'LL SEE ON THE THIRD PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS OUR CRIME PREVENTION PLAN, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL CRIME ACROSS THE CITY. 
          SO THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, CAN WE USE AT WAYS TO PERHAPS DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, INNOVATIVE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE CRIME, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE DOING ON THE THIRD ITEM THAT WE ARE GONNA BRIEF YOU TODAY TO ADDRESS NOT JUST AUTO THEFT, BUT ALL CRIME IN, IN SAN ANTONIO, AND PRIORITIZE THAT CRIME IN ORDER TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS A COUPLE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU REQUESTED FOR DATA. 
          BEFORE WE BRING THIS TO, TO FULL COUNCIL, OUR PLAN IS TO BRING THIS IN AUGUST, SO WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE FULL PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE BEFORE THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MARIA. 
          COUNCILMAN PERRY, CHIEF, JUST A COUPLE OF, UH, FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME, METRICS, AND, AND YOU HAD A A GREAT POINT THERE. 
          PLOT THAT OUT ON A, ON A CHART SHOWING HOW THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE READING OFF NUMBERS OVER THE YEARS, PLOT THAT OUT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS WITH THIS PARTICULAR GRANT. 
          AND ALL, YOU KNOW, I I THINK YOU COULD PLOT OUT HOW MUCH THIS IS COSTING US OUT OF THE CITY BUDGET YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND THEN WHAT THE RETURN IS. 
          I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE RECOVERED VALUE RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE INVESTING OVER $2 MILLION, BUT WE'RE GETTING 12 BACK IN VALUE OF THE VEHICLES. 
          SO YOU GOT TWO NUMBERS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLOT ON CHARTS TO SHOW METRICS ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          JUST, I MEAN, JUST THOSE TWO NUMBERS RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT OUT THERE AND, AND, UH, SHOW, SHOW THE RESULTS OF THIS PROGRAM. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION, MARIA, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO IT AGAIN. 
          UM, DID WE EVER SEND A LETTER OR ANYTHING TO THE COUNTY AS TO, HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM WAS WORKING, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD SURE LIKE TO PARTNER WITH OR CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH YOU, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO TRY TO, I I'M STILL CONFUSED AS TO WHY THEY DIDN'T, UM, OPT IN. 
          IS IT BECAUSE OF THEIR BUDGET CONCERNS OR, UH, WHAT THEY DIDN'T SEE THE VALUE IN THIS PROGRAM? UH, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING OFFICIAL GO TO BEXAR COUNTY SAYING, HEY, UM, WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO JUMP BACK IN THIS PROGRAM. 
          WE'LL DO THAT, COUNCILMAN. 
          AND WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER HEARD A THING FROM THEM AS TO WHY THEY DIDN'T. 
          I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY SPOKEN TO THEM. 
          CHIEF JAVIER OF ANYBODY FROM YOUR TEAM? 
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NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WOULD, UH, STILL LIKE TO GET SOMETHING FROM THEM? I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE KIND OF THE SAME NUMBERS AS FAR AS, UM, BUDGET NUMBERS THAT WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS, AND THEN THEY'RE WHAT THE STATE WOULD GIVE THEM AS WELL, CORRECT? YES. 
          AND HOW DID WE WORK WITH THE, THE COUNTY DID THEY WERE THESE JOINT JOINT TEAMS, AND IS THAT THE SAME THING THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH D P SS? IT'S OKAY. 
          CHIEF, I'M SORRY, I'M TEXTING THE SHERIFF HERE TO TRY AND GET THAT ANSWER RIGHT. 
          YEAH, NO, , THAT'S GREAT. 
          , MAN, THAT'S INSTANT COMMUNICATION, RIGHT? BUT, UH, EXPLAIN TO ME THE STRUCTURE OF HOW YOU'RE OPERATING WITH D P S RIGHT NOW. 
          ARE THEY PART OF THE TEAM? DO THEY WORK TOGETHER OR ARE THEY OUT SEPARATE, DOING DIFFERENT THINGS? HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? THEY, THEY WORK TOGETHER. 
          UH, BUT D P SS IS ONLY FUNDING ONE POSITION, SWORN IN ONE POSITION, ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND HOW, WHAT DID THE COUNTY HAVE WHEN, WHEN THEY WERE IN THIS PROGRAM? I DON'T REMEMBER EXACT NUMBERS. 
          IF, UH, SAY THE SAME CHIEF, WHAT WAS IT? ONE SWORN. 
          OKAY. 
          ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER, BUT EVEN AT THAT, WELL, EVERY, TO ME, EVERYBODY COUNTS, UM, THAT YOU CAN PUT AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH THESE KIND OF NUMBERS ATTACHED TO 'EM, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING FROM ANY OTHER CITIES THAT WE COULD BENCHMARK WITH ON, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE BETTER NUMBER NUMBERS THAN WE DO, OR WORSE NUMBERS THAN WE DO ON COMPARABLE CITIES HERE IN TEXAS? I HAVE NOT. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INFORMATION. 
          ALSO, LET'S, LET'S BENCHMARK TO SEE HOW MANY THEY'RE LOSING EVERY YEAR, HOW MANY THEY'RE RECOVERING, AND WHAT THEIR, UH, RECOVERED VALUE IS. 
          ALSO TO SEE MAYBE, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE AS BIG A NUMBERS AS WE DO, AND IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADOPT ALSO? SO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY TIME. 
          DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILMAN? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, HAS THIS ALREADY BEEN, UH, ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET? SO WE HAVEN'T PRESENTED THE PROPOSED BUDGET, BUT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TRIAL BUDGET. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, MY BAD. 
          YES,  THE TRIAL BUDGET. 
          UM, SO IT IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T GET APPROVED? DO WE STILL TRY TO FUND IT ANYWAY? NO, IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE. 
          SO WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO ITEMS FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION AND, AND THE REASON FOR OUR BRIEFING, UM, THAT, THAT WE APPLY AND ACCEPT THE FUNDS. 
          SO IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT AUTHORIZATION, THEN WE WON'T APPLY FOR THE GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, SO PREVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU REPORTED NUMBERS ON RECOVERED VEHICLES, DID IT INCLUDE NUMBERS RECOVERED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? I OR JUST THE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          UM, IT'S THE REACT TEAM. 
          THE ANSWER IS YES. 
          SO THE PROGRAM, AS WE REPORT THOSE NUMBERS, THOSE ARE FOR THE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE PRESENTING. 
          SO, UM, LAST YEAR WE WERE WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          SO THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE HERE, REPORTER REPORTED, EXCUSE ME, IS THE, THE, THE ACCUMULATION OF THE WORK OF THAT TEAM THAT APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE IMPACT, SO BEXAR COUNTY, THE BEXAR COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE BACKING OUT OF THE PROGRAM MEANS THAT OUR NUMBERS PROBABLY ARE NOT AS STRONG AS THEY WOULD'VE BEEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          NO. 
          'CAUSE D P S TOOK THEIR PLACE. 
          SO THE PARTNERSHIP CONTINUES, BUT IS IS NOW THE PARTNER, IS THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          WHY WEREN'T THEY ALWAYS A PARTNER? I'M SORRY? WHY WEREN'T THEY ALWAYS A PARTNER? WELL, THE, THE GRANT REQUIRES, AND I'M LOOKING AT, I DON'T KNOW WHO THE RIGHT PERSON IS, RICK OR JOE FRANK, IS, IS THE GRANT REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A PARTNER, RIGHT. 
          ANOTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL. 
          SO WHAT WE DID, UM, LAST YEAR IS IN ORDER FOR US TO CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRAM THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, WE CONTACTED THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO BE OUR PARTNER IN LIEU OF, UH, BEAR COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          UM, 
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COUNCILWOMAN . 
          WE'RE ON ITEM TWO. 
          UH, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAD A CHANCE TO PRESENT. 
          I, I DID HAVE AN ITEM, UH, CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AND I AM, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROGRAM. 
          UH, I AM SECONDING COUNCILMAN PERRY. 
          HE MADE A MOTION. 
          I'LL BE SECONDING THIS. 
          UH, MY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE THE STATS, AND I KNOW WE'RE DOING RESEARCH ABOUT HOW MANY OF THESE, UM, AUTO VEHICLE THEFTS INCLUDE THE THEFT OF A FIREARM? NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK WHATEVER GRANT FUNDING WE CAN GET IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I KNOW OF RECENT, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TRUCK THAT'S BEING BROKEN INTO EVERY CAR THAT'S BEING BROKEN INTO, UH, ARE STOLEN. 
          THERE MIGHT'VE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A FIREARM IN THERE. 
          AND AS WE LOOK AT TRYING TO ADDRESS GUN VIOLENCE, UH, ANY HELP THAT WE CAN HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FUNDED IN THIS PART IS, I THINK IS IMPORTANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN. 
          UH, UM, CHIEF, I'M CURIOUS IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. 
          I'M, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT AS WELL, IF THERE'S A FIREARM SURE. 
          HOW MANY TIMES THERE'S A FIREARM IN A VEHICLE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          COUNCILMAN INDICATOR RODRIGUEZ, GO AHEAD, . 
          SORRY. 
          IT IS AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THESE ARE, SO PARTIALLY FUNDING SEVEN DETECTIVES AND TWO CIVILIANS. 
          WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. 
          SO ARE THEY THE SAME DETECTIVES AND CIVILIANS THAT WE'VE BEEN FUNDING THROUGH THE GRANT OR THE ? THE POSITIONS ARE THAT THE INDIVIDUALS MAY NOT, AS PEOPLE GET PROMOTED, RETIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DO OTHER ASSIGNMENTS. 
          UM, WE CAN GET YOU THE SENIORITY OF THE INDIVIDUALS CURRENTLY IN THOSE POSITIONS. 
          UM, THAT, NO, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          BASICALLY, IT'S JUST THESE ARE THE SAME POSITIONS THAT ALREADY EXIST, NOT ADDING NINE MORE, CORRECT? NO, THIS, THESE ARE EXISTING POSITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT ACHIEVES THE GOAL THAT, UM, WAS OUTLINED EARLIER WHEN SOMEONE SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCREASED VISIBILITY. 
          IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE. 
          I'M WONDERING WITH THAT, THE IN KIND MATCH, BECAUSE YOU HAD JUST, YOU HAD, UM, MENTIONED THAT A PART OF THAT IS VEHICLES. 
          IF THERE ARE ALREADY POSITIONS THAT EXIST, WHY DO WE NEED, I WOULD LIKE MORE DETAILS OF WHAT IS THIS 2.256 MILLION GOING TO, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, RICK, DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE QUESTIONNAIRE? THE, THE, WHAT IS THE 2.2 MILLION IN INKIND MATCH? WHAT IS THAT MADE UP OF? COUNCILMAN RICK RILEY. 
          I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THAT 2.2 MILLION IS ONE LIEUTENANT PERSONNEL WISE, TWO SERGEANTS, 11 DETECTIVES, ONE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT IN OFFICE SPACE. 
          WITH THOSE SWORN POSITIONS COMES THE VEHICLE. 
          SO THE LIEUTENANT'S VEHICLE, THE TWO SERGEANT VEHICLES, AND 11, UH, ADMIN TYPE UNMARKED VEHICLES. 
          AND THAT'S THE VEHICLE COMPONENT OF THAT. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THAT IS RIGHT NOW, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IT IS GOING TO LEAD TO AN INCREASE IN THE FORCE. 
          SO IT DOES ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY THING, MY PROBLEM IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET THESE GRANTS THAT REQUIRE US TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND IN SOME FORM OF A MATCH. 
          AND SO WE JUST APPROVED, DID YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT PART? I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN. 
          I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ADDING NEW POSITIONS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SOME GRANTS ALLOW THAT WE USE EXISTING PERSONNEL AND EXISTING, UM, EQUIPMENT TO BE OUR, OUR IN-KIND MATCH. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, UM, MR. RILEY JUST DESCRIBED. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT ADDING NEW POSITIONS OR IS NOT NEW PERSONNEL. 
          SO WHAT I CAN EXPECT IS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY MONEY THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN SPENDING AND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN INCREASE. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          THE PIECE THAT IS AN INCREASE IS A CASH MATCH THAT WILL ALLOW US TO OBTAIN THE $800,000 AND THAT WILL FUND ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL. 
          SO IF, IF THE, IF THE GRANT, UM, IS NOT PURSUED, UH, THEN THERE'S AN IMPACT ON THOSE, UH, POSITIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW I WILL VOTE ON THIS TODAY, BUT I WILL SAY THAT A PART OF THE CONVERSATION EARLIER, COUNCILWOMAN, WAS THAT 11% OF VEHICLES HAVE BEEN RECOVERED. 
          UM, SO IF THERE'S 7,200 VEHICLES STOLEN, 816 ARE RECOVERED, IF 12, 12.41 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS IS RECOVERED VALUE, 97 POINT Z ZERO NINE IS LOST. 
          AND SO IT'S A VERY SMALL PORTION. 
          AND SO WE CAN'T THINK OF THIS AS LIKE THE, OH, WE NEED TO DO THIS GRANT AND THIS IS GONNA SAVE US, OR IT'S GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK US. 
          WE NEED TO START 
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LOOKING AT OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO PREVENT THE THEFTS AND THEN ALSO, UM, BE A BIT MORE INNOVATIVE. 
          AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CHIEF, THAT ANYONE ON THE STAFF RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY HAS THE CAPACITY TO BE SEARCHING UP EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE NATION AND SAYING, OH, THIS IS WORKING AND THIS ISN'T. 
          I THINK A LOT OF IT, A LOT OF THE WHAT, WHEN WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHERS AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A STANDOUT, I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A DETERMINANT. 
          AND SO I THINK WE DO NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESEARCH PROGRAMS AND DO IN-DEPTH DIVES ON WHAT'S WORKING IN OTHER CITIES AND EVEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES, UM, TO PREVENT THEFTS OF VEHICLES. 
          AND SO THIS IS, I'M NOT, I'M NOT VERY IMPRESSED BY THIS. 
          I'M CONCERNED BY THE CONTINUING TO POUR MONEY IN, BUT I GUESS WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT. 
          I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE AND FIND DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT I THINK THIS IS PART OF IT. 
          I DON'T THINK TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CHIEF, IS THERE'S NO MAGIC, UM, GOLDEN GOLD STANDARD, RIGHT? I THINK IT, IT PROBABLY IS GONNA HAVE TO BE A, A NUMBER OF, OF PROGRAMS, UM, AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY. 
          HOLD. 
          I'M REALLY COLD. 
          SORRY, . 
          THANK YOU, SAM. 
          UM, BUT, BUT I, I, UH, I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, WE ARE AS A CITY CONTINUING TO, TO LOOK FOR NEW WAYS TO, UM, TO SOLVE, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. 
          OR AT LEAST TO, TO CUT DOWN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS LOST IN THE, THE RECOVERED VEHICLES, THE, THE 10% OR 11% OR SO. 
          I THINK IT'S MEANINGFUL TO THAT 11% THAT'S GETTING THEIR VEHICLES BACK OR THEIR, UH, PROPERTY, OR EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S INSURANCE VALUE. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO GET CREATIVE, AND I'M INTERESTED VERY MUCH IN, UM, IN STUDYING DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE, HAVE HAD SOME SUCCESS. 
          I MEAN, I HEAR YOU THAT THERE'S NO, NO, I DON'T WANNA USE THAT TERM. 
          I'M HESITATING TO USE THE WORD MAGIC BULLET, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, , YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MAGIC, UH, UH, POTION. 
          POTION. 
          THERE WE GO, . 
          EXACTLY. 
          UH, BUT, BUT I THINK THIS, THIS IS PART OF IT, PART OF HOPEFULLY A, A I THINK ACTUALLY POTION IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE A MIXTURE OF THINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I COULD ADD, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT THERE IS NO MAGIC PROGRAM OUT THERE THAT IS GONNA PREVENT PEOPLE FROM STEALING CARS OR BREAKING INTO CARS, EXCEPT PUTTING THEM IN JAIL SO THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT AGAIN. 
          BUT AS FAR AS EDUCATION, IT, IT'S UP TO THE, TO THE VEHICLE OWNER TO NOT LEAVE THINGS IN THEIR CAR, TO NOT LEAVE THEIR KEYS IN THEIR CAR, TO, TO SECURE THEIR CAR IN OTHER WAYS, ASIDE FROM JUST LOCKING THE DOORS. 
          THERE IS NO MAGIC PROGRAM OUT THERE. 
          AND I CAN PRETTY MUCH GUARANTEE THAT YOU COMB THE COUNTRY, UH, THE COUNTRY'S POLICE DEPARTMENTS, AND THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY THAN WE'RE DOING. 
          I STAY IN TOUCH WITH MOST OF THE MAJOR CITY CHIEFS AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND IF, IF THEY WERE A PROGRAM OUT THERE, IF, IF IT EXISTED, I WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT EXISTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          UH, JUST MAKING SURE. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          IT WAS A ROBUST DISCUSSION. 
          UH, WE DID HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          UH, SO, UM, LET'S TAKE A VOTE. 
          AND WE WE'RE USING THE COMPUTER TO VOTE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION PASS. 
          MOTION PASSES ONTO ITEM THREE, BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT TO CONDUCT A STAFFING STUDY OF S A P D RESOURCES. 
          UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, BEFORE THE CHIEF BEGINS HIS, UM, PRESENTATION, UH, THIS IS A TOPIC THAT WAS RAISED, UH, LAST YEAR DURING THE GOAL SETTING SESSION AS A QUESTION ON HOW THE DEPARTMENT COULD BEST, UM, COME UP WITH A MODEL OR A METHODOLOGY TO, UM, UM, ADD MORE OFFICERS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WHAT WE STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED AT THAT POINT IS TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO HELP US WITH THAT AS THEIR DIFFERENT MODELS THAT ARE USED ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT USE, UH, WORKLOAD STANDARDS, THAT LOOK AT CRIME, STATISTICS THAT LOOK AT THE POPULATION AND THE GROWTH, UH, OF POPULATION WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO WHAT, 
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UM, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEFING ON THE, UH, PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOW TO IN THE SELECTION OF THE RECOMMENDED, UM, CONSULTANT TO ASSIST US WITH THAT PROCESS. 
          THIS ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION ON THURSDAY, SO WE WANTED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEF YOU AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, CHIEF, THANKS, MAYORIA. 
          SO THE, THE, THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY IS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PROPER STAFFING LEVELS WOULD BE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH IN THE PATROL OPERATIONS, UH, BUREAU, AND IN THE INVESTIGATIVE AS WELL. 
          AND THE ANALYSIS WILL LOOK AT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SLIDE THERE, STAFFING ALLOCATION, UH, SUPPORT, STAFFING, OUR STRUCTURE, OUR, UH, OUR, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT FUTURE WORKLOADS, OUR FUTURE OFFICER WORKLOADS WITH THE GROWING POPULATION. 
          UH, THEY WOULD LOOK TO WHAT WE COULD DO TO LESSEN RESPONSE TIMES, AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UM, AND CONTINUING THE EFFORTS TO REDUCE CRIME WITH THE STAFFING STUDY. 
          SO THE ANALYSIS IS GONNA EXAMINE PRETTY MUCH EVERY ASPECT OF PATROL AND INVESTIGATIONS TO INCLUDE SCHEDULING OVERTIMES, AS I JUST MENTIONED. 
          BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS STUDY AND THE STUDIES THAT I'VE, UH, BEEN EXPOSED TO BEFORE IS THIS STUDY WILL LOOK AT INVESTIGATIONS NOT ONLY THE CASELOAD, BUT HOW MUCH TIME THEY SPEND ON EACH CASE. 
          SO THEY'LL LOOK AT THAT TO GIVE IT, TO GET A, UH, A MUCH MORE ACCURATE, UM, ACCURATE, UH, DETERMINATION ON HOW MANY INVESTIGATORS WE MAY NEED IN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO IN 2012, WE DID A, UH, OUR LAST STAFFING ANALYSIS, I THINK THAT WAS THE MATRIX COMPANY. 
          AND THEY LOOKED AT OUR STRUCTURE, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS ASSIGNED SHIFT DEPLOYMENT, AND IF YOU NOTICE ON HERE, THEY, IT DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT INVESTIGATIONS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'LL BE A, A MAJOR PART OF THIS STUDY. 
          THE SOLICITATION WAS PROPERLY ADVERTISED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN SCREEN, THE VOTING MEMBERS, UM, ON THE EVALUATION TEAM, WE PUT THIS OUT THROUGH, UH, THE EXPRESS NEWS TV, UH, EMAIL TO A LIST OF, UH, POTENTIAL RESPONDENTS. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE GOT ONE RESPONSE. 
          AND FROM, UH, WEISS CONSULTING. 
          SO IN MAY, UM, I'M SORRY, IN APRIL, THE, THE R F P WAS PUT OUT WAS DUE IN MAY ONE MONTH LATER. 
          AGAIN, ONLY ONE RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED. 
          UH, ALEXANDER WEISS CONSULTING CONTRACT AMOUNT IS FOR 140,000 FUNDED FROM SS A P D GENERAL FUND. 
          AND THE ITEM IS SCHEDULED FOR CONSIDERATION BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE 23RD, JUNE 23RD, A SESSION. 
          AND THAT WAS MY LAST SLIDE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          UM, ACTUALLY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO C UH, COUNCIL. 
          UH, I'M SORRY. 
          COMMITTEE COMMENT. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN MCCUE RODRIGUEZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I WAS INTRIGUED THAT ANDREW WAS THE ONLY RESPONDENT, AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, UM, THIS PERSON AND THEIR HISTORY. 
          CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THEM, EITHER OF YOU? HE WAS, THIS GENTLEMAN WAS REFERRED TO ME BY, UM, A FORMER CHIEF WHO IS NOW A TENURED PROFESSOR AT LOYOLA UNIVERSITY. 
          UH, HE HAS WORKED WITH HIM IN THE PAST. 
          UH, I INTERVIEWED PRIOR TO, UH, THIS ALL BECOMING FORMAL, I SPOKE WITH HIM ON THE PHONE TO GET SOME OF HIS BACKGROUND. 
          UH, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. 
          UH, HE'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST RENOWNED INDIVIDUALS IN THE COUNTRY, UH, AS FAR AS STAFFING STUDIES GO. 
          UH, I WAS CONFIDENT AFTER TALKING TO HIM THAT HE, THAT HE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, AND I WAS PLEASED THAT HE WAS GONNA DIG DOWN INTO THE INVESTIGATIVE SIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON PATROL. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          UM, WHAT IS THE, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, SO HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          DO HAVE WE LOOKED AT ANY OF HIS PREVIOUS ANALYSIS OF OTHER CITIES, AND WHAT WERE HIS RECOMMENDATIONS THERE? I, I DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME, BUT HE ACTUALLY SENT A, UH, A RESUME CONTAINING ALL THAT. 
          SO I DO HAVE THAT, AND WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU. 
          WHAT I'D BE INTERESTED IN IS IF 
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OTHER CITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED, UM, RESULTS FROM HIS, OR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM HIS FINDINGS, HOW EFFECTIVE WERE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? I TH AND I THINK THIS ONE, WE HAVE A VERY SP UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DON'T IN SOME OTHER STUDIES THAT WE, UM, THAT WE FUND. 
          UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING WHAT IS GOING TO BE, WHAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, THE FOUNDATION HE LOOKS AT WHEN HE'S MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? BECAUSE I THINK I COULD SAY, WILL HE BE LOOKING AT, UM, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, AND, UM, OTHER AREAS OF EFFICIENCY? OR IS IT JUST, OR IS IT GONNA BE BASED SOLELY ON PERSONNEL THAT EXISTS VERSUS LIKE, AS A RATIO TO CRIME? 'CAUSE THAT SOUNDS SIMPLE AS FAR AS I KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER, THIS IS GONNA BE BASED ON CALLS FOR SERVICE, WORKLOAD, TIME SPENT ON CALLS, CASELOAD, UH, TIME SPENT ON INDIVIDUAL CASES, UH, SCHEDULING, DEPLOYMENT, ALL THAT. 
          ALL OF THOSE THINGS IS WHAT THIS WILL FOCUS ON. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE FOCUSING ON PROGRAMS. MM-HMM. 
          , I GUESS I STRUGGLE WITH THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE INVESTING IN THE RIGHT PROGRAMS, SOMETIMES THOSE PROGRAMS CAN LEAD TO REDUCED CALL TIMES OR THEY CAN LEAD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REDUCED NUMBER OF CALLS REDUCE CRIME. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT CONCURRENTLY, I WANT, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE LEVEL OF EFFECTIVENESS. 
          I WILL SAY ALSO, UM, WITH THIS, IT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE THE POLICE SIZE IN SOME AREAS TO BE EFFICIENT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH OPTIONS. 
          THEY'RE EITHER GONNA SAY, YOU'RE PERFECT THE WAY THAT YOU ARE, YOU NEED TO INCREASE OR YOU NEED TO DECREASE. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DO SAY THAT THERE'S TOO MANY OFFICERS? UM, BEFORE I ANSWER THAT QUESTION, COUNCILMAN, WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT PROGRAMS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PROGRAMS, WHAT SPECIFICALLY DO YOU MEAN BY PROGRAMS LIKE THE CRIME RED, THE CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAM? LIKE IF THERE'S THE AUTO THEFT, YOU MEAN? NO, NOT THAT ONE. 
          NO. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE, BUT THERE'S ALSO, UM, THROUGH THE CRIME THAT CRIME PREVENTION FUNDING THAT GOES TO ORGANIZATIONS TO REDUCE CRIME, THAT'S AN, LIKE, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A PROGRAM THAT I WOULD FIND UNDER S A P D. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THIS STUDY IS THE, THE DEPLOYMENT OF THE UNIFORM POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO THE DIFFERENT UNITS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO PATROL IS THE LARGEST, UH, OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAVE THE INVESTIGATIVE UNITS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE, THE, THE ANALYSIS THAT THIS CONSULTANT IS GONNA BE FOCUSING ON, THE PROGRAM THAT YOU DESCRIBED, THE CRIME PREVENTION THAT IS, UH, PRIMARILY DONE BY OUTSIDE, UH, VENDORS. 
          AND IT'S NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF THIS, THIS PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS FOCUSES PRIMARILY ON THE DEPLOYMENT OF THE UNIFORM PERSONNEL. 
          UM, NOW TO ANSWER YOUR SECOND QUESTION, IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT PERHAPS A UNIT HAS, UM, MORE OFFICERS THAN IT SHOULD, THEN WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT TO FIGURE OUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REALLOCATION OF THOSE RESOURCES. 
          TO YOUR POINT ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE UNITS, ON THE STAFFING, UM, ALLOCATIONS, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GONNA FOCUS ON. 
          SO I ANTICIPATE, UM, THAT WE WILL BE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO ALLOCATE THE RES THE HUMAN RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITHIN THE UNIFORM PORTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I, I KNOW WE RECENTLY RECEIVED, UM, RESULTS OF AN AUDIT. 
          UM, IS, THAT'S PUBLIC, RIGHT? THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN IT, THE AUDIT, THE AUDIT THAT WAS PERFORMED, ? YES. 
          UH, I, UM, YES. 
          I DON'T WANNA SAY SOMETHING OUT LOUD THAT I SHOULDN'T SAY OUT LOUD, WHICH AUDIO MAYBE IF YOU RIGHT, YEAH, COUNCILMAN, IF IF IT, IF IT'S HELPFUL, UM, I CAN DISCUSS WITH YOU OFFLINE A SPECIFIC AUDIT, UM, THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I GUESS GENERALLY THE QUESTION IS, WILL THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE AUDITS SO THAT IF MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING FOUND WITHIN THERE, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED YOU KNOWING THAT INFORMATION AS WELL? YES. 
          YEAH. 
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SO ALL THE PUBLIC, OH, I'M SORRY. 
          ALL THE AUDITS THAT ARE COMPLETED BY OUR CITY AUDITOR ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY'RE ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          SO DEFINITELY YES, IF WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THOSE TO THE CONSULTANT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS REFERENCED RELATED TO A PERSONNEL THAT IS PERTINENT TO THE SCOPE OF WORK, FOR SURE. 
          AND I, I THINK ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS IF THE STATE OF THE, IF THE STATE OF THE UNITED STATES, UM, IS ONE OF OVER POLICING, WE CAN LOOK AT A NUMBER OF CITIES ACROSS THE US. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY SAN ANTONIO, WE CAN LOOK AT A NUMBER OF CITIES ACROSS THE US IF THOSE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE FACED WITH OVER POLICING, THEY CONSISTENTLY SAY, OH, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO ADD MORE POLICE OFFICERS. 
          IF SOMEONE'S GONNA COME IN AND MAKE, CONDUCT AN ANALYSIS, SAY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMS IN CITIES LIKE YOURS IN THE UNITED STATES, WE SHOULD, IF WE WANT TO BE COMPARABLE TO THESE CITIES, WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR OUR POLICE PRESENCE. 
          I THINK THAT IS LIKELY TO BE ONE OF THE RESULTS. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY THE GOAL OF THIS STUDY. 
          AND SO I'M WONDERING HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT BASED ON, UM, THE SOLUTION TO EVERYTHING AS MORE OFFICERS, BUT BASED ON HERE'S, HERE'S SOME WAYS TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AS A FORCE, AND HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD MAKE INVESTMENTS IN OUTSIDE OF OFFICERS. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS STUDY STUDY IS GOING TO DO THAT. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE, COUNCILMAN? THE SCOPE OF WORK IS TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF, UH, THE ALLOCATION OF STAFFING, ENSURING THAT WE ARE EFFECTIVELY UTILIZING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, NUMBER ONE, PATROL AND INVESTIGATIVE UNITS. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE POSED IS WHAT WOULD BE THE METHODOLOGY FOR, FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO GROW THE DEPARTMENT? WHAT ARE THE, THE, THE, UM, CRITERIA THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AS WHEN THE QUESTION COMES UP, COMES UP DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE HAVE THAT METHODOLOGY, UM, STUDIED AND AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNCIL. 
          SO, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO GOALS OF THE, OF THIS, UH, STUDY. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA OUTRIGHT SAY YOU, AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW I KEEP GOING OVER TIME. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA OUTRIGHT SAY YOU NEED LESS OFFICERS, YOU NEED MORE OFFICERS. 
          IT'S GONNA SAY HERE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN MAKE SOME SHIFTS AROUND AND HERE'S THE METHODOLOGY YOU SHOULD LOOK AT TO SEE IF YOU NEED TO INCREASE OR DECREASE. 
          IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, IT IS. 
          UM, I GUESS, ARE YOU ASKING ME IF THE STUDY'S GONNA RECOMMEND HOW MANY OFFICERS WE ADD? YES. 
          UH, WE ARE HOPING THAT IT WILL, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT'S YES, WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO. 
          YES, IF, IF WE ARE AT THE RIGHT STAFFING LETTER LEVELS, MORE OR LESS COMPARED TO WHAT COMPARED TO SAN ANTONIO, THAT'S WHY THE STUDY'S SPECIFICALLY DONE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT, IT'S NOT COMPARED TO ANYTHING. 
          IT'S BASED ON THE WORKLOAD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'D BE INTERESTED IF WE COULD DO A SIMILAR STUDY FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT FOR, I I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING. 
          I, I'M EXCITED. 
          I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN MKI RODRIGUEZ. 
          COUNCILMAN GERRAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I AM, UH, I'M INTERESTED. 
          WE ONLY GOT ONE APPLICANT, BUT AS I DID MY RESEARCH ON THE ALEXANDER WEISS CONSULTING, L L C, IT SEEMS LIKE, UH, THE, THE RIGHT DECISION WAS MADE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT. 
          AND, UM, THE CHIEF AND I WERE AT A TOWN HALL LAST WEEK WITH WHERE WE, WE INTERACTED WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF, UM, CRUISING PEOPLE, UH, CLASSIC CARS GROUPS AND, AND EVEN THEIR RESPONSE WAS THEY WOULD LIKE MORE OFFICERS, UH, AND TO SEE MORE OFFICERS. 
          SO, UM, I KNOW WE CAN'T PULL OUR CITIZENS AND DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT, UM, THAT WOULD LIKE, UH, TO SEE MORE OFFICERS, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CONSENSUS. 
          UH, AND MARTY, AND I DON'T KNOW MARIA, OUR CHIEF WHO, WHO CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TIME? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE WORKLOAD FOR THE OFFICERS, UM, THE HOW WE'RE BEST UTILIZING, BUT MY CONCERN IS, UM, WHAT DATA IS HE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT? IS IT SIMPLY GOING TO BE THE CENSUS DATA OR CAN WE PUT IN SOME INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT IF WE HAVE IT AVAILABLE? YOU KNOW, CENSUS, CENSUS DATA HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH IT. 
          IT'S ALL ABOUT THE WORKLOAD. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BOTH IN THE, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE WORKLOAD AND 
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THE INVESTIGATIVE CASE WORKLOAD. 
          SO IS HE THEN GOING TO BE LOOK AT LOOKING AT KIND OF OUR NON INCARCERATED FELONS THAT ARE VIOLENT CRIMINALS TOWARDS WOMEN? CAN HE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE CALLS THAT COME IN? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW, WHAT HIS METHODOLOGY WILL BE DOING THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE A ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH HIM PRIOR TO HIM BEGINNING WORK, BECAUSE I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IN THIS AREA, THE FACT THAT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES ARE NOT ALWAYS PROSECUTED AS THEY SHOULD BE, IS LEADING TO SOME OF OUR STATS AND SOME OF THE WORKLOAD FOR OUR OFFICERS. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE LOOK AT THE WORKLOAD, AS HE LOOKS AT THE WORKLOAD, AS HE LOOKS AT THE OFFICERS DI DISPERSED TO HANDLE THIS, THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT IT TAKES TO ADDRESS THESE KIND OF CASES. 
          AND, UH, AND THE FACT THAT WE, OUR CASE RATE IN TERMS OF SENDING THOSE WHO COMMIT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CRIMES TO JAIL OR PRISON IN SOME CASES ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE IT CONTINUES TO INCREASE. 
          SO I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          I THINK, UH, HE, HE'S ABLE TO KIND OF LOOK AT EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK SAN ANTONIO IS UNIQUE IN THE POSITION THAT, AND WE HAD THE, THE STATUS ON WOMEN REPORT THAT, THAT VIOLENT CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, AND I KNOW I, I HAVE OTHER ADVOCATES OUT THERE BACKING ME UP. 
          IT IS AN ISSUE THAT IS TIME CONSUMING FOR OUR OFFICERS AND, AND THAT WE DON'T KIND OF GLOSS OVER. 
          THAT FACT IS JUST, JUST A REGULAR CRIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN. 
          VRAN. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          COUNCILWOMAN PERRY. 
          I'M SORRY, COUNCIL. 
          WELL, WE GET CALLED COUNCILMAN ALL THE TIME, SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          . 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PERRY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          UH, CHIEF, THIS IS SPOT ON. 
          UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE CALLED FOR, UM, FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          WHAT, WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER AND HOW DO WE DETERMINE THAT? SO I THINK, I THINK THE PURPOSE IS VERY CLEAR HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER THREE, WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, UM, BACKGROUND ALSO ON SLIDE FOUR, BUT SLIDE THREE, I, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT. 
          AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT STAFFING LEVELS. 
          DO WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER? AND FROM THAT, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, EITHER ADD ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS OR IF WE'RE OVER, WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT, UM, YEAH, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE OTHER WAY AND GET TO THAT NUMBER BY NATURAL ATTRITION WITH PEOPLE RETIRING, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THIS IS SPOT ON. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL MOVING THIS OUT AND, UH, GETTING THIS, GETTING THIS ON THE ROAD. 
          I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UM, UH, SEEING THE RESULTS OF THIS, BUT WILL WE GET ANY INTERIM REPORTS ON THIS? YES, AS I WAS HEARING THE QUESTIONS, I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO COME TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH AN UPDATE, UM, TO TELL YOU HOW IT'S GOING AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, WITH THAT I MOVE TO, UH, SEND THIS TO FULL COUNSEL. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          COUNCILMAN RODRIGUEZ. 
          THANK YOU, THANKER. 
          UM, SO I'VE BEEN MULLING OVER, UM, RESPONSES TO THESE AND SO I, I, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WORKLOAD ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT I WANT US TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY, SO NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE WORKLOAD. 
          SO WE NEED MORE OFFICERS, BUT WHAT ARE THE WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN REDUCE THE WORKLOAD? SO HOW CAN, CAN THAT BE A PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY? I'D HAVE TO TALK TO MR. WEISS ABOUT THAT. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, UM, EVER BEEN PART OF A STUDY THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          UM, A PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE WORKLOAD. 
          UM, NO ONE CAN SAY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HASN'T BEEN A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY OR FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          THE BUDGET FOR SS A P D IS AT ALMO, A LITTLE OVER HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. 
          LIKE, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR NOT A PRIORITY. 
          IT'S THE NUMBER ONE, IT'S THE MOST FUNDED. 
          SO I, BUT THAT BEING SAID, I IMAGINE THAT THE WORKLOAD IN ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS IS HEAVIER THAN WHAT OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE FUNDED FOR. 
          AND SO WHAT I, I WANT TO BE MORE CLEAR ON WHAT MY ASK IS. 
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I WOULD, BEFORE WE ACT ON THIS STUDY, I WOULD LIKE US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE WORKLOAD FOR EVERY OTHER CITY DEPARTMENT, AND WHAT ARE THE WAYS IN WHAT WOULD THEIR NEEDS BE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENTLY WE DO PRIORITIZE SS A P D, WE DO CONSISTENTLY GIVE MORE MONEY. 
          WE DO CONSISTENTLY ADD ON, WHEREAS OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE TO MAKE DO WITH VERY, VERY LITTLE. 
          AND SO WE CAN'T SAY THAT OUR PRIORITY IS WHOLE CITY, WHOLE PERSON, BUT IT'S ALL GONNA BE DIRECTED IN RESPONSE, THE RESPONSE TO CRIME. 
          AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STUDY CONDUCTED FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ACROSS DEPARTMENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MAKE, HOW I MAKE THAT ASK FORMAL. 
          I, I, THIS IS PART OF IT. 
          UM, BUT BEFORE WE ACT ON THE RESULTS OF THIS ONE, I WANT TO KNOW IS THE WORKLOAD COSU IT WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS? AND I KNOW THAT WE, AND IT, I GET A LITTLE IRRITATED AND A LITTLE TRIGGERED WHEN I HEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE BEING MENTIONED AND USED AS A, LIKE, IT'S KIND OF USED AS A POLITICAL TOOL CAPITAL TO TALK ABOUT AND TO GAIN SUPPORT AND TO MAKE AN, MAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S ARGUMENT NULL. 
          UM, BUT WE NEVER TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF SOME, IF OFFICERS ARE SHOOTING 13 YEAR OLD CHILDREN, OR IF THEY'RE CUSSING AT PEOPLE, OR IF THEY'RE HANDING FECES SANDWICHES TO PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW, HOW ARE THEY TREATING THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL? SO, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE PERPETRATORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE THEMSELVES? AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE LOOK AT A PROGRAM FOR. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          I JUST WANNA BE VERY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, IF WE KNOW OF AN OFFICER WHO VIOLATES ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES OR CRIMINAL PROCEDURES, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF, OF, OF THAT ACTION, WE WILL TAKE ACTION TO, UM, CORRECT, UH, OR APPROPRIATELY ADDRESS. 
          SO IF THERE'S SPECIFIC, UM, INDIVIDUALS OR CASES, WE'LL BE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO VISIT WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN MKI RODRIGUEZ. 
          COUNCILWOMAN . 
          WAIT, WHEN WILL THIS STUDY BE CONCLUDED? SIX MONTHS. 
          FROM SIX MONTHS. 
          SIX MONTHS FROM THE SIGNATURE ON THE CONTRACT. 
          AND THEN MARIA, WHEN CAN WE IMPLEMENT THIS? CAN WE, BECAUSE BUDGET WILL BE DONE. 
          CAN WE USE MID-YEAR BUDGET MONIES TO INCREASE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, CHOOSES TO DO SO THAT THE, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          SO I, I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE EXPECTANT OF THE RESULTS. 
          UH, I TAKE OFFENSE TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE USING INSINUATING THAT I'M USING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AS A POLITICAL P PLOY, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS WRONG. 
          THIS IS ABOUT WOMEN'S LIVES. 
          AND IF YOU TOOK A LOOK AT THE STATS, AND IF YOU'VE DONE IT AS LONG AS I DID, YOU WOULDN'T TAKE THAT TONE. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE TO BE A LITTLE MORE RESPECTFUL WHEN IT COMES TO CONVERSATION. 
          AND I'M READY TO GO OFFLINE AND TALK ABOUT WHO IS USING THIS DAAS AND THIS COMMITTEE TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, VIE. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR TO MOVE THIS ITEM FORWARD TO COUNCIL. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          AURORA. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          . 
          UM, ANY OPPOSED, UM, MOTION PASSES. 
          MOVE ON TO ITEM. 
          SORRY, I WAS LOOKING AT, I WAS LOOKING TO OPEN THIS VOTE, BUT WAS GOING, UM, DO YOU WANT, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          UH, MOTION CARRIES. 
          UH, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM FOUR BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE STATUS OF THE U T S A VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION PLAN. 
          UH, THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN. 
          AND AS, UH, CHIEF PREPARES FOR HIS PRESENTATION, THIS IS A, UH, CONTRACT THAT, UH, WE ENTER WITH U T SS A TO ASSIST US WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE A, UH, LARGER CONTRACT FOR US TO UTILIZE U T S A FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS OR STUDIES. 
          WE'RE UTILIZING THAT VENUE TO BE ABLE TO START THAT WORK. 
          SO WHAT YOU GONNA HEAR TODAY IS, UM, THE, THE PLAN, UM, THAT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THE PLAN, AND THEN THE TIMELINE AS WELL. 
          AND THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, AREA THAT WE CAN COME, WE CAN BRING BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE TO DO A PRELIMINARY 
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BRIEFING BEFORE THE STUDY IS, UM, COMPLETED. 
          CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU, UH, MARIA. 
          SO THIS, THIS PRINCIPLE OF VIOLENCE REDUCTION, THERE'S TWO SIMPLE FACTS INVOLVED IN IT. 
          AND ONE IS THAT A VIOLENT CRIME IS NOT RANDOM AND IT'S NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE CITY. 
          AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S, IT'S COMMITTED BY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE POPULATION. 
          UM, AS STATED ON THE SLIDE, CRIME IS DISPROPORTIONATELY COMMITTED BY A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          AND THIS THEORY, UM, THE ROUTINE ACTIVITIES THEORY IS PRETTY SIMPLE, BUT IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING AS WELL. 
          SO, IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE A CRIME COMMITTED, THERE HAS TO BE AN OFFENDER. 
          IT HAS TO BE COMMITTED AT A PLACE, AND THERE HAS TO BE A TARGET. 
          SO WITHOUT ONE OF THOSE THREE THINGS, YOU'VE GOT NO OPPORTUNITY TO COMMIT CRIME. 
          BUT ALSO, WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS IT TALKS ABOUT LACK OF CAPABLE GUARDIANSHIP CONTRIBUTES TO CRIME, WHICH MEANS IF IT'S NOT A POLICE OFFICER AROUND, THEN THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO COMMIT CRIME. 
          SO THIS PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH U T S A IS, UH, IS BASED ON THE DATA. 
          IT'S BASED ON THE DATA. 
          IT'S BASED ON THE PEOPLE AND THE PLACES WHERE CRIME IS COMMITTED. 
          UH, IT'S BASED ON HOW OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS WILL HELP US. 
          AND IT'S BASED ON STAKEHOLDERS, APPROVAL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS BUY-IN OF THE STAKEHOLDERS TO INCLUDE THE RANK AND FILE. 
          SO THERE'S FOUR STEPS FOR DESIGNING A VIOLENCE REDUCTION STRATEGY. 
          IN THE FIRST IS SIMPLY TO IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM, THE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM, WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROBLEM, AND HOW DO WE MINIMIZE HARM, UH, TO, UM, SUCH AS OVER-POLICING TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM. 
          SO NUMBER TWO IS THE ANALYSIS. 
          SO WE LOOK AT A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN WE'RE DESIGNING THE STRATEGY, AND THAT IS WHERE, WHO AND WHEN. 
          AND THESE WILL SHOW UP AS PATTERNS IF ONE EXISTS. 
          NUMBER THREE, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE? A RESPONSE HAS TO BE BASED ON THE PROBLEMS THAT WE IDENTIFY, UH, THE DATES, THE DATA, THE PEOPLE, THE PLACES, AND, UH, AGAIN, INCLUDING OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, AND THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO WILL BE INVOLVED IN CARRYING OUT THIS CRIME REDUCTION PLAN. 
          AND NUMBER FOUR, ASSESSMENT, CONTINUOUS ASSESSMENT. 
          AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, UH, THE STRATEGIES, UH, ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, WHETHER WE STAY THERE, WHETHER WE MOVE, WHETHER WE CHANGE OUR STRATEGIES, IT'S ALL BASED ON THE CONTINUOUS ASSESSMENT. 
          AND AS STATED ON THE, ON THE SLIDE HERE, IT HAS TO BE RELENTLESS. 
          I WANNA SKIP THIS SLIDE HERE BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY MUCH REDUNDANT FROM OTHER, THE OTHER SLIDES THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          THERE'S THREE COMPLIMENTARY STRATEGIES INVOLVED HERE. 
          ONE IS HOTSPOT POLICING. 
          TWO IS, UM, THE, UM, PLACE-BASED STRATEGY. 
          AND THE LAST IS THE LONG-TERM, UH, PART OF THE STRATEGY, WHICH IS FOCUSED ON DETERRENCE, WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE, UH, GANG MEMBERS WHO ARE, UH, KNOWN TO BE RECIDIVISTS. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THE THREE COMPLIMENTARY STRATEGIES NEAR TERM, MIDTERM, AND LONG TERM PROJECT TIMELINE. 
          WE, UH, CAME TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH U T S A IN APRIL. 
          UH, WE REVIEWED THE CRIME DATA TO EVALUATE THE PROGRAMS IN MAY, UH, FROM MAY THROUGH JULY. 
          WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH U T S A ABOUT THE INITIAL DATA. 
          AND THEN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER WILL INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UH, THE DRAFT WILL BE PRESENTED TO PUBLIC SAFETY IN OCTOBER, AND THEN WE'LL PRESENT IT TO THE FULL COUNCIL, I'M SORRY, YEAH, TO THE FULL COUNCIL ON B SESSION IN NOVEMBER. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR OWN HOTSPOT INITIATIVE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONSULTATION FROM U T S A. 
          UH, THE FIRST QUARTER OF OUR STRATEGY, WE, WE SAW A 58% REDUCTION IN CERTAIN NUMBER OF THE HOTSPOTS, UM, AS COMPARED TO OCTOBER THROUGH DECEMBER OF 2021. 
          AND THEN, UH, IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY TO MARCH A 72% REDUCTION IN SOME OF THE HOTSPOTS COMPARED FROM OCTOBER 21 TO DECEMBER 21 AGAIN. 
          AND, UH, I GOT THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICK. 
          THAT WAS MY LAST SLIDE. 
          I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS Y'ALL MIGHT 
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HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          UM, I'M INTERESTED IN THE HOTSPOT SLIDE. 
          I THINK IT WAS, UH, 12. 
          YOU HAVE A 58% REDUCTION IN CRIME HOTSPOTS, I'M SURE. 
          UM, A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD AGREE. 
          A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS THINK THAT THEY ARE THE WORST HOTSPOT OR THEY, THEY SHOULD BE THE, UH, DESIGNATED A HOTSPOT. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU EVALUATE WHAT CRITERIA IS USED, UM, TO DETERMINE, UM, A HOTSPOT THAT YOU, THAT YOU TARGET. 
          SO, SO BEFORE WE STARTED THIS, WE, UM, ON ALL THESE LITTLE CIRCLES ON THE MAP ARE EXA BENDS. 
          THEY ARE SEVEN BLOCK AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THROUGH, UM, APPROXIMATELY 500 YARDS BY 500 YARDS, WHICH EQUALS SEVEN BLOCKS. 
          SO RUNNING THE CRIME DATA FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE AREAS, WE COME UP WITH AREAS THAT HAVE MORE CRIME THAN OTHERS, AND WE FOCUS ON THOSE. 
          I THINK WE, WAS IT SIX SIX HEXA BEENS THAT WE FOCUSED ON? NO, INITIALLY IT WAS 21, 21 HEXA ENSS THAT WE FOCUSED ON WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF CRIME. 
          A NUMBER OF THOSE DROPPED OFF, UH, AFTER THE FIRST THREE MONTHS, AND WE ADDED OTHERS. 
          BUT IT'S ALL BASED ON THE CRIME NUMBERS WITHIN THOSE HEXA BEEN AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT, IS THERE A, IS IT CRIME JUST GENERALLY, OR IS IT, IS THERE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF CRIME? VIOLENT CRIME, RIGHT. 
          VIOLENT CRIME. 
          VIOLENT VIOLENT CRIME. 
          VIOLENT CRIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, WHAT DEPARTMENTS TAKE PART IN THE PROGRAM EVALUATION? IS IT JUST PD OR DO YOU INVOLVE OTHER, OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS? WELL, THE EVALUATION IS, IS SIMPLY THE DATA, UH, THAT GOES INTO, UH, COMING UP WITH THE NUMBERS FOR EACH OF THOSE HEXAGONS. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE, ONCE WE GET INTO THOSE, TO THOSE AREAS, THEN WE FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED. 
          COULD IT BE CO COMPLIANCE, COULD IT BE ANIMAL CARE? WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE ISSUE MAY BE. 
          WE'LL PULL THOSE DEPARTMENTS INTO THE, INTO THE MIX AND, UH, CHAIRWOMAN TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE USING OUR 3 1 1 DATA TO SEE WHAT ARE THOSE MOST FREQUENT CALLS THAT WE GET IN THOSE AREAS THAT THE CHIEF IS ANALYZING. 
          AND THAT'LL DRIVE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE CALL IN FORWARD TO HELP US ADDRESS THOSE OTHER ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE SAME AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU SAY THAT THERE WERE STAKEHOLDER, IS THERE, THERE, IS THERE, ARE THERE MEETINGS FOR STAKEHOLDERS TO GIVE SOME INPUT? I'M SORRY, REPEAT PLEASE? ARE THERE, ARE THERE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY FOR STAKEHOLDERS TO GIVE INPUT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SPECIFICALLY, UM, WONDERING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES, NONPROFITS, OR EMBEDDED A LOT OF TIMES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, SO WHENEVER WE GO INTO AN AREA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ADVISE THE COMMUNITY AND GET THEIR, GET THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR INPUT AS TO WHAT THEY SEE AS THE PROBLEM. 
          SO THAT'LL ALL BE INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL PLAN AS WE GO INTO EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU DO SPECIFICALLY ASK SMALL BUSINESSES AND, AND NONPROFITS, NOT, NOT JUST RESIDENT, NOT JUST, I MEAN, BUT AS WELL AS RESIDENTS, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, I WILL MOVE ON TO COMMITTEE QUESTIONS AND COUNCILMAN MCKEY, RODRIGUEZ, COUNCILWOMAN, MAY I INTERJECT VERY QUICKLY, JUST AS A, A REMINDER, UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, SPECIFIC PARAMETERS FOR WHICH WE ARE POSTED. 
          AND SO WE WANNA STAY WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS AS WE CONTINUE OUR, OUR PUBLIC DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO, TO EACH ITEM. 
          SO LET'S JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          OBVIOUSLY STAFF IS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN THE OVERALL INQUIRIES, REACTIONS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT, UM, LET'S KEEP THE COMMENTS COMMITTED TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE POSTED AND, UH, BE MINDFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMENTS ARE, ARE PUBLIC, UM, AND, UM, NOT UNIQUE TO EACH OTHER IN NATURE, NOT PERSONAL TO EACH OTHER EITHER. 
          SO, UM, JUST AS A REMINDER ABOUT OUR DECORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, LIZ. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UH, GO AHEAD. 
          COUNCILMAN . 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN A BUSY DAY FOR YOU. 
          UM, WHO COMPRISES THE TEAM THAT WILL CONDUCT THE ANALYSIS? SO WHICH CURRENT, WHICH CRIMINOLOGISTS SPECIFICALLY ARE ON THE TEAM? THE U T S A TEAM? IT, IT WOULD BE OUR ANALYTICAL TEAM THAT, THAT WOULD PULL THAT PULSE OF NUMBERS FOR THE CRIMINALIST? NO, I MEAN, THE CRIMINAL, DO YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY? UH, DR. 
          SMITH AND DR. 
          TILLER. 
          OH, I'M, YEAH, MIKE SMITH AND ROB TILLER. 
          HOW DO YOU SPELL THE TILLER? S M I T H , THAT'S T I L L I E R I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE PRESENTATION STATES THAT FO FOCUS DETERRENCE HAS BEEN STUDIED AND SHOWN TO BE EFFECTIVE IN AT LEAST 20 OTHER, UM, CITIES. 
          DO WE KNOW WHERE THOSE STUDY, WHERE THOSE CITIES ARE? OR WHICH CITIES? UH, OR CAN THEY BE GIVEN TO ME? BOSTON INITIALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, BOSTON 
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WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIST THEM OUT RIGHT NOW. 
          IF I CAN JUST GET THE INFORMATION. 
          THAT'D BE THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I'M ALSO WONDERING HOW IS FOCUS DETERRENT SIMILAR OR DISSIMILAR TO THE REACT GRANT ACTIVITIES? HOW, HOW IS IT SIMILAR TO WHAT? TO THE REACT GRANT ACTIVITIES? SO THE REACT GRANT THAT WE JUST VOTED ON NOT TOO LONG AGO SURE. 
          HOW IS FOCUS DETERRENCE DIFFERENT OR SIMILAR? AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL FRAME IT AS, UM, FOCUS DETERRENCE TO ME SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, A MULTI-AGENCY EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO FOLK WHO ARE, UM, WHO HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES AND TELLS 'EM THAT THEY EITHER FACE PENALTIES OR JAIL TIME OR THEY ACCEPT RESOURCES AND A CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR, WHICH CAN SOMETIMES SOUND A LITTLE BIT LIKE COERCION. 
          AND SO I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WELL, AND, AND HERE, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          SO, SO HERE'S THE WAY THAT WORKS, AND WE DID IT BEFORE. 
          AND TO BE VERY CANDID, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF FOCUSED DETERRENCE BECAUSE YOU'RE CALLING IN PEOPLE WHO ARE ON PROBATION AND PAROLE. 
          UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. 
          AND THEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COME AND THEY SIT IN AN AUDIENCE WHILE THESE FOLKS ARE BEING SPOKEN TO. 
          AND THE, AND THE, THE MESSAGE BEING DELIVERED TO THEM IS, IF THIS STUFF CONTINUES IN, IN THE AREAS WHERE Y'ALL ARE HANGING, WE'RE COMING AFTER EVERYBODY. 
          I DON'T LIKE THAT APPROACH. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A GANG VIOLENCE INTERVENTION STRATEGY THAT WAS, THAT WE TRIED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, A ACTUALLY AT, AT THE, UH, UH, BEHEST OF ONE OF YOUR, UH, OF YOUR PREDECESSOR BACK THEN. 
          I DIDN'T LIKE IT. 
          I DID IT ONCE AND WOULDN'T DO IT AGAIN. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M GONNA BE IN FAVOR OF IT THIS TIME EITHER, MATTER OF FACT, I KNOW I'M NOT. 
          SO I'M INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          UH, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDID RESPONSE. 
          UM, A PIECE. 
          SO SOMETHING I'M INTERESTED IN, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE HOTSPOTS AS WELL BECAUSE I LIKE THE, UM, I LIKE THE VISUALS OF THE HOTSPOT AND THE DATA THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE SO FAR, UM, IN THE REDUCTION OF CRIME IN THAT AREA. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING, OR WHAT I WOULD ASSUME BASED ON LOOKING AT IS THAT THE PATROLS ARE WORKING TO REDUCE, UH, CRIMES THAT ARE BEING COMMITTED. 
          IS THAT, WELL, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN JUST PATROLS. 
          IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY FOCUSING ON A SPECIFIC PLACE MM-HMM. 
          , WHETHER IT'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S A STORE, UH, BUT IT'S FOCUSING ON A CERTAIN PLACE. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND, AND IT'S NOT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I, AND I'M PROBABLY GOING INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL FOR, FOR UNDERSTOOD PUBLIC FORUM, BUT, UM, IT'S FOCUSING ON A PLACE AND IT'S FOCUSING ON DIFFERENT STRATEGIES SURROUNDING THE PLACE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M WONDERING, SO THAT LEADS ME INTO THE QUESTION. 
          WHENEVER YOU STOP THE FOCUS ON THE, WHENEVER THE HOTSPOT DROPS OFF, UM, AND YOU MOVE ON TO NEW HOTSPOTS, ARE WE STILL TRACK, I'M, I KNOW THAT DATA IS STILL BEING TRACKED IN THOSE HOTSPOTS. 
          ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASE AGAIN, OR IS THAT REDUCTION PERMANENT OR WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRACKING TRACKING THE CRIME IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE HOTSPOTS EVERY 90 DAYS. 
          SO HAVE WE, SO IN SOME OF THE ONES THAT HAVE FALLEN OFF, HAVE WE SEEN THAT THE FALL OFF HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT? THAT THE DROP IN CRIME HAS REMAINED CONSISTENT? I, I HAVEN'T CHECKED THAT RECENTLY, BUT WHEN THEY FALL OFF, NEW ONES ARE ADDED. 
          I HAVEN'T GOTTEN WORD THAT ANY OF THE OLD ONES HAVE JUMPED BACK ON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I'LL CHIME BACK IN IN A SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN MKI RODRIGUEZ. 
          COUNCILMAN PERRY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          UM, CHIEF, UM, THIS SOUNDS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE WANTING TO BRING, THIS IS JUST A BRIEFING AT THIS POINT? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND YOU'LL BE BRINGING IT BACK TO US IN, UH, OCTOBER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ON THAT MAP, ON SLIDE 12, IT'S SHOWING THE DIFFERENT COLORS. 
          ARE THOSE, WHAT ARE THOSE COLORS HIGHLIGHTING? THE DIFFERENT SUBSTATIONS? THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENT SUBSTATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WILL WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE, YOU'RE SAYING A 58% REDUCTION IN CRIME, UM, IN THE HOTSPOTS THAT Y'ALL BEEN DEALING WITH, BUT CAN YOU INDICATE WHERE THOSE HOTSPOTS WERE ON THIS? SURE. 
          THIS, UH, MAP? YES. 
          FOR BOTH OF THOSE, FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, UH, DATA POINTS, YES. 
          UM, 
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YES. 
          WOULD LIKE TO, LIKE TO SEE THAT WHERE THE, WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS INITIATIVE AT. 
          UM, I, I, I THINK THIS IS SPOT ON. 
          I, AGAIN, I, I THINK THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THAT OTHER STUDY THAT WE'RE MOVING TO FULL COUNCIL AND I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND PEOPLE EXPECT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. 
          TO GET PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES TO FEEL SAFE AGAIN, WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND THE INDICATIONS I'M GETTING, PEOPLE ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE FEARFUL OF THIS CITY BECAUSE OF VIOLENT CRIME, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT I'M GETTING IN DISTRICT 10. 
          AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY DISTRICT 10 IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE SAFEST AREAS DISTRICT-WISE IN THE CITY. 
          SO TO HAVE THAT KIND OF, THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK COMING TO US IN ONE OF THE SAFER PARTS OF THE CITY, UM, IT, IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          AND WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO TURN THIS AROUND AND GET PEOPLE FEELING GOOD IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AGAIN. 
          SO, THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          I THINK THIS IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          APPRECIATE IT, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN PERRY. 
          UH, COUNCIL MAYRAN. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORS, 'CAUSE YOU'VE VISITED MY DISTRICT TWICE ALREADY, AND YOUR SAFE OFFICERS ARE THERE ALMOST ALWAYS, UH, AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY WENT TO PERSONALLY HAND YOU HOTSPOTS RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I THINK AS, AS WE LOOK, UH, IN THE VIOLENT REDUCTION PLAN, BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS TO REDUCE VIOLENCE THAT, UM, IF WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SEEING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          'CAUSE A LOT OF, UH, DISTRICT THREE RESIDENTS ARE HEARING GUNSHOTS, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S RELATED TO THOSE GUNSHOTS OR THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE SEEING THINGS THAT THEY THINK CAN LEAD TO VIOLENT CRIMES AND WHERE THE VIOLENT CRIMES ARE ACTUALLY COMING AT. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, AND, AND I WANT TO, WE'VE GOT OUR INCARCERATED FELONS, WE'VE GOT OUR, OUR FELONS THAT HAVE COME OUT AND ARE LOOKING FOR SECOND CHANCES. 
          BUT THEN WE HAVE, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS THOSE NON INCARCERATED FELONS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO OFFEND AGAIN. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE HANGING WITH THE SAME PEOPLE. 
          THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE SAME ACTIVITY. 
          AND WHILE, UM, THE TACTIC YOU MENTIONED WE TRIED BEFORE, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE THAT WE CAN TRY TO HELP RE RE REDUCE THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY AREA WHAT MY RESIDENTS ARE GETTING TIRED OF AND AS THEY MENTIONED, IS THE POLICE ARE PICKING HIM IN, PICKING 'EM UP IN THE MORNING FOR, FOR SOMETHING AND THEY'RE OUT BY THE AFTERNOON. 
          AND THAT FOR DISTRICT THREE IS WHERE THE FEAR IS COMING FROM. 
          SO IS THERE ANY OTHER PROGRAM OUT THERE OR SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO KIND OF HELP WITH THAT ASPECT? NO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I, I, I THINK THAT THE ROOT OF THIS PROBLEM, AND I'M GONNA STEP OUT ON THIS LIMB WITHOUT GOING OUT TOO FAR. 
          WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT CRIME, WHEN, WHEN ONE LOOKS AT CRIME, ONE TENDS TO LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THERE ARE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT PLAY INTO THIS. 
          AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          OVER THE WEEKEND WE ARRESTED THREE INDIVIDUALS AND I, AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT FOUR, WELL, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHAT FOUR, BUT WE ARRESTED THREE INDIVIDUALS. 
          THE BOND WAS INITIALLY APPROPRIATELY SET, IN MY OPINION AND OTHERS' OPINIONS AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE I TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT IT OVER THE WEEKEND BECAUSE I GOT PHONE CALLS ABOUT IT. 
          THE BOND WAS REDUCED TO $30,000. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THESE INDIVIDUALS MADE BOND, BUT THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE BACK OUT ON THE STREET. 
          BUT THIS IS PART OF THE ISSUE THAT ADDS TO OUR CRIME NUMBERS AND ADDS TO THE VICTIMIZATION IN THIS CITY. 
          AND IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. 
          RECIDIVISM IS HIGH. 
          AND THE QUESTION I ASK RHETORICALLY WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE TO ARREST AND HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO ARREST THEM TO MAKE THEM STOP COMMITTING CRIME? 
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THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS THAT IF THEY'RE IN JAIL, THEY CAN'T COMMIT CRIME EXCEPT IN JAIL. 
          THANK YOU CHIEF. 
          AND I THINK, MARIA, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING AS WE GET IT, WAS AS WE CONTINUE TO GET THIS INFORMATION THAT WE WORK WITH OUR COUNTY COUNTERPARTS ON, UH, HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, UH, COUNTYWIDE AS WELL AS CITYWIDE, UM, BECAUSE OUR RESIDENTS ARE, ARE, ARE NOT FEELING SAFE AND, AND, AND THEIR ANSWER IS CONSTANTLY GOING TO BE MORE OFFICERS. 
          UH, BUT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THE UPSTREAM ISSUES THAT KIND OF LEAD TO THIS. 
          BUT WE DO NEED TO, TO WORK, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR, OUR LEADERSHIP IN, IN THE COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN VRAN. 
          AND WE DO HAVE, UM, OUR DA COMING TO SPEAK WITH US IN A AUGUST. 
          UM, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP US SHED SOME LIGHT. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN MCKEE RODRIGUEZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I KNOW I SHIFTED INTO THE HOTSPOT QUITE A BIT, BUT GOING BACK TO THE PARTNERSHIP WITH U T S A, UM, IT IS GOING TO BE VIOLENT CRIME OR IS IT ALL CRIME THAT THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT? IS IS VIOLENT CRIME, CRIME AND ANYTHING THAT MAY, I'M ADDING THIS TO IT. 
          ANYTHING THAT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO VIOLENT CRIME OR A CATALYST TO VIOLENT CRIME. 
          YES. 
          SO WOULD THEFT OR VANDALISM BE A PART OF THAT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT MAYBE WE WANNA LOOK AT REDUCING THROUGH OTHER MEANS THAT MIGHT NOT BE, UH, ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS STRATEGY ALONE. 
          UM, GOODNESS. 
          I, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT IT'S HARD TO DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS THAT I CAN CHIME IN AGAIN? . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. 
          HI RODRIGUEZ. 
          COUNCILMAN PERRY. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT D THE DA IS COMING, BUT, UH, UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE DA, THERE'S ANOTHER PART IN THIS ALSO, AND THAT'S IN THE, IN THE MAGISTRATE, UH, LEVEL. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL, UM, ABOUT BONDS BEING, UM, DECREASED LOWER, THAT KIND OF THING FOR THOSE VIOLENT, AND I'LL, I'LL NOT JUST SAY VIOLENT CRIMINALS, BUT REPEAT, REPEAT CRIMINALS OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE HAD, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME ABOUT, UM, REPEAT OFFENDERS, REPEAT OFFENDERS, REPEAT OFFENDERS, AND YET THEY'RE STILL OUT THERE IN THE STREETS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY STILL DOING THE SAME THING, NOT GETTING CAUGHT. 
          THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT WE'RE CATCHING, RIGHT? UH, HOW MANY MORE ARE OUT THERE THAT WE'RE AREN'T CATCHING? AND AGAIN, TO ME IT ALL COMES DOWN TO, UM, THE FIRST PART, WHICH IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OF THE GETTING OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO, UH, DETER BEFORE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DA AND THEN THE MAGISTRATION. 
          UM, I, I KNOW THERE'S ISSUES THERE AS WELL, SO I CAN'T LET WAIT FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO COME HERE IN AUGUST AND LOOK FORWARD TO THAT MEETING. 
          SO YEAH. 
          BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAGISTRATION AND JUDGES. 
          LET'S, YEAH. 
          WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF 'EM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION. 
          MAYBE HAVE OUR, UH, CHIEF JUDGE COME OUT AND TALK WITH US ABOUT THEIR PROCEDURES AND, UM, WHY, WHY THEY SAID THE BONDS THEY DO. 
          UH, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN PERRY. 
          COUNCILMAN, UH, COUNCILMAN MCC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I'LL GO BACK TO, UM, THE PARTNERSHIP WITH U T S A. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THE NEAR TERM MIDTERM AND LONG TERM STRATEGIES. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT FOCUS DETERRENT RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF. 
          I STRUGGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT TAKES ITS PLACE NECESSARILY, BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT I AGREE WITH YOU OR DISAGREE WITH YOU, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S THE ONLY LONG-TERM STRATEGY. 
          AND SO ARE THEY GOING TO RECOMMEND ANOTHER ONE? UM, WILL YOU BE, I DON'T KNOW, AMENABLE TO TRYING THE FOCUS DETERRENCE OR WHAT? BECAUSE IF THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU GAVE US. 
          THIS IS THE U T S A PARTNERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEAR TERM, WHICH WAS THE HOTSPOT POLICING, BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MIDTERM AND LONG TERM STRATEGIES. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY FAVORABLE OF THE LONG TERM STRATEGY THAT'S PROPOSED AND NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROPOSED, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA WORK? COUNCILMAN, IF I MAY, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY WAS TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE WORK OF U T S A. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS YET. 
          UM, 
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IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING DATA. 
          THE SLIDES THAT WE PRESENTED THROUGH SLIDE NUMBER 10, UM, WERE PROVIDED BY U T SS A TO PROVIDE CONTEXT ON HOW THEY DEVELOP A, A PLAN. 
          UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAN FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO YET. 
          SO I, I WOULD REQUEST THAT, THAT YOU LET US WORK WITH U T SS A, COME BACK WITH SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN PRESENT THOSE TO THIS COMMITTEE. 
          AND WE CAN COME BACK BEFORE OCTOBER TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND GIVE YOU A BETTER SENSE ON WHAT IS IT EXACTLY THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING FOR SAN ANTONIO. 
          AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR CITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, COUNCIL, IF I MAY MM-HMM. 
          , I, I THINK FOR THERE TO BE A BROAD CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, ABOUT FOCUS DETERRENCE AND WHAT DO WE DO IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, I THINK THAT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, LEADERS IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TO INCLUDE DA JUDGES CORRECTIONS, NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS DISCUSSION AS OPPOSED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT DON'T REALLY PERTAIN TO THE, TO IT. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO RECIDIVISM, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT SOME, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT RESTS WITH CORRECTIONS TO, TO, TO BE ABLE TO SUPERVISE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON PROBATION AND PRO PAROLE, THEY HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THEM. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE RECIDIVISM PART OF THIS COMES IN. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOES, WE MAKE THE ARRESTS TAKE 'EM TO THE MAGISTRATE. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS FROM THERE IS BEYOND OUR CONTROL, AS YOU'VE HEARD MANY, MANY TIMES, AND AS I'VE SAID MANY, MANY TIMES, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE A MUCH BROADER, DEEPER DISCUSSION ON THIS. 
          'CAUSE I CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT CORRECTIONS AND, AND WHAT THEY DO WITH RECIDIVISM. 
          I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT THE JUDGES ARE DOING OVER THERE. 
          SO, UM, IF WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PANEL TO HAVE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'M, SO THE STRUGGLE IS NOW THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN FRAMED VERY MUCH U T S A AND SS A P D I HAVEN'T, WE HAVE NOT YET DISCUSSED ANY OTHER FOLK BEING A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION, BEING PART OF THIS STUDY. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY MUCH, THIS IS FOR AND WITH S A P D AND SO JUST HEARD FROM THE CHIEF. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO BRING IN OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND OTHER FOLK WHO ARE, UM, INTEGRAL TO THE DECISION MAKING IN OUR CITY RELATED TO, UM, SPECIFICALLY RECIDIVISM. 
          BUT I IMAGINE ALL KINDS OF CRIME. 
          I ALSO WILL TAKE A MINUTE TO SAY THAT I HOPE, AND I I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE US. 
          I THINK IT'S GOTTEN CLOSER AND CLOSER TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT IS TARGETING PRIMARILY VIOLENT CRIME WHEN WE DO SEE ALL KINDS OF CRIME RISING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ALL KINDS OF CRIME THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO, UM, THAT WE SHOULD BE PREVENTING. 
          AND SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS TO, UM, EMPLOY, WITH, EMPLOY OR WORK WITH CRIMINOLOGISTS WHO CAN, UM, STUDY ALL KINDS OF CRIME AND HOW TO PREVENT IT AND WORK WITH ALL OF OUR CITY DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO DO THEIR ROLE AND TO ADVISE THEM ON HOW WE CAN BEST PREVENT AND PREVENT CRIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK THAT OVERLAYING THE 3 1 1 CALLS AND INTO THESE, ONTO THESE HEXA BINS, WE'LL COVER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEWHAT, I'M SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN MC RODRIGUEZ. 
          COUNCILWOMAN VRAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, AMANI, IN THAT PROJECTED TIMELINE FOR, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE JUDGES AND THE CORRECTIONS OFFICERS, I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE CASA THAT WORK WITH CHILDREN WHO HAVE FAMILY, UH, INCARCERATED FOR VIOLENT CRIMES AND ALSO, UM, POSSIBLY, UM, THE STATE, THE, THE FOSTER CARE WORKERS ALSO. 
          I THINK THIS, THIS CAN'T BE FIXED ON ITS OWN. 
          IT HAS TO BE A COMMUNITY EFFORT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE OPEN FOR COMMUNICATIONS AND, UM, AS THE, AS THE HOMICIDE RATE INCREASES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, I THINK, UM, I THINK I AM, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF TAKING THIS ISSUE. 
          FIRST, THE VIOLENT CRIME REDUCTION, BUT THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THE OTHER CRIMES AS THEY INCREASE. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CONTINUE TO PULL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ALSO IN TERMS OF WHO THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, PART OF THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND HOW THEY REACH OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN , 
          [01:40:01]
THIS IS, UH, NOT AN ACTION ITEM, JUST A BRIEFING, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WELL THAT'S, THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. 
          PLEASE REMEMBER, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE HELD IN AUGUST AND OUR MEETING'S ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU.
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