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IS EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE READY? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
NOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD, OUR CHAIR IS NOT HERE, BUT ROBERT HENLEY IS THE CO-CHAIR, SO HE'LL BE KINDA LEADING THIS MEETING, UH, TODAY.
THIS IS THE BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD ENERGY CODE COMMITTEE.
THIS IS OUR MEETING FOR JUNE 9TH, 2022.
I'M JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
WE'LL START OFF THIS MEETING WITH A QUICK, UH, INTERPRETATION ANNOUNCEMENT.
CHAIR OR GO CHAIR? WE HAVE QUORUM.
UH, WE DO HAVE BOTH THE PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE WITH BRIAN SMITH AND JOE LAOS HERE.
SO ANY VOTE WILL GO TO BRIAN SMITH WHILE HE IS PRESENT.
I THOUGHT THAT, UH, JOE COULD BE A ALTERNATE TO BOTH BRIAN OR JACK, OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? NO, NO.
HE'S THE ALTERNATE SPECIFICALLY TO THANK YOU.
JACK'S ALTERNATE IS, UH, FRANK.
IF HE WAS BUT NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, WE COULD, WE CAN MAKE HIM FOR THE COMMITTEE IF WE WANT TO, BUT NOT FOR THE FULL BOARD, BUT NO.
IF YOU'LL, UM, SO I KNOW WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY WANNA TALK NOW OR IF YOU WANNA WAIT UNTIL WE'RE BRINGING UP THAT SECTION OF THE CODE THAT I THINK YOU CAME TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPEN, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO, UH, AGENDA ITEM ONE IS APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MAY 24TH, 2022, AND, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND A SECOND MOVE APPROVAL.
I HAVE A MAR, UH, A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MARK ROSS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM MARK ROSS AND A SECOND FROM GREG MCFARLAND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, NO ACTION ON THAT.
THERE'S NOBODY, NO ACTION ON THIS ONE.
SO WE MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM THREE AND TURN THAT OVER TO YOU, JEREMY.
SO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS.
UH, WE'VE COVERED THIS TOPIC, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM IN THE PREVIOUS TWO MEETINGS.
WE'VE WRAPPED IT UP PRETTY WELL.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYTHING AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, FROM THIS COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE DID HAVE ONE COMMITTEE MEMBER ASKED US TO, UH, ADD IT TO THIS MEETING.
HE DID HAVE AN ITEM THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO BRING, UH, FORWARD TO THE FULL COMMITTEE.
SO I'LL BRING UP THAT CODE SECTION.
SO THIS IS, UH, THE CODE SECTION IN QUESTION IS C 4 0 2 0.5 0.9.
VESTIBULES BUILDING ENTRANCE IS ENTRANCES SHALL BE PUT PROTECTED WITH AN ENCLOSED VESTIBULE WITH ALL DOORS OPENING AND IN AND OUT OF THE VESTIBULE EQUIPPED WITH SELF-CLOSING DEVICES.
UM, SO I'LL TURN OVER TO MR. MCFARLAND, WHO REQUESTED WE REVIEW THIS SECTION.
UH, THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS ONE UP IS I HAD NOT REALIZED THAT IN SAN ANTONIO WE DON'T REQUIRE VESTIBULES.
AND AGAIN, YOU ALWAYS HEAR ME JOKE ABOUT UP NORTH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DESIGN, WE ALWAYS HAVE THEM.
AND ONE OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE USE 'EM UP NORTH FOR WHEN, WHEN, AGAIN, I WAS DESIGNING IN KANSAS CITY AND OTHER AREAS, IS IT WAS A SECURITY CHECKPOINT IN THE SCHOOLS.
IT WAS A, A NICE, UM, I'M TRYING TO SAY A SECOND, USE FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED BY CODE.
SO BY HAVING THE ENTRY VESTIBULE THERE, THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTROL ACCESS IN THE, AND USUALLY THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS FOR SURE THE, THE FRONT MAIN ENTRANCE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE A SECONDARY ENTRANCE THAT THEY'D OCCASIONALLY PUT IT ON.
SO WHAT, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT ON THIS ONE OF GOING, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO, UH, IT WILL IMPROVE THE, THE SAFETY ON THE SCHOOLS.
AND IN ALL HONESTY, THE REASON IT DOESN'T GET CARRIED ON INTO CLIMATE ZONE TWO IS JUST BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE PAYBACK ISN'T IN THAT SEVEN TO 10 YEAR RANGE THAT THAT NORMALLY IS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET INTO THE ENERGY CODE.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S, UH, AN EXCEPTION FOR CLIMATE ZONE TWO.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STILL WOULD HAVE A PAYBACK BY REQUIRING IT.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST EDUCATIONAL OCCUPANCIES, UH, THAT SHOULD COVER ALL OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, JUNIOR SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOLS.
MOST OF THE COLLEGES ARE BUSINESS OCCUPANCIES.
SO I FIGURE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AT A COLLEGE LEVEL, I DON'T THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY REQUIRED BECAUSE THERE'S, UH, OTHER, OTHER
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AVAILABILITY FOR THE ADULTS IN COLLEGE.SO WHAT I WAS PROPOSING IS TO CREATE, UM, KIND OF AN EXCEPTION ONE A WHERE IT SAYS BUILDINGS IN CLIMATE ZONE ZERO THROUGH TWO WAS JUST TO SIMPLY SAY AN EXCEPTION TO THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE, UH, UH, E OCCUPANCIES AND CLIMATE ZONE TWO.
AND THEN THAT WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE ALL, ALL ELEMENTARY, JUNIOR, AND HIGH SCHOOLS TO HAVE THEM.
BUT IT WOULD EX EXCLUDE, EXCLUDE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
UH, IT WOULD EXCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THE MALLS, THE, THE COLLEGES, THE BUSINESSES, AND WOULD GET THAT.
THE OTHER LITTLE PIECE ON HERE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT AMENDED IS, I THINK IT IS, UH, UH, UH, EXCEPTION NUMBER SEVEN, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE AN AIR CURTAIN TO GET OUT OF IT AS WELL.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS REQUIRED IN CLIMATE ZONE TWO, THEY COULD STILL USE EXCEPTION SEVEN TO GET RID OF IT.
AND I WOULD AGAIN, MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, A SEVEN A EXCEPT FOR, FOR, UH, E OCCUPANCIES.
SO THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT TO, TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER REALLY QUICKLY TO DO THAT.
AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THE LONG TERM OF THE BUILDING WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE SPENDING A TON OF MONEY ON OR OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE SPENDING A, A, A BUNCH OF MONEY ON, UM, TO, TO ENHANCE SAFETY.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT PAY BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OVER TIME.
UM, ONE THING THAT I ALSO GOT TO THINKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER IS, UM, THE SATION OR THE WINDOWS ON SCHOOLS.
ONE OF THE ONES IN THE PAST THAT I'VE STRUGGLED WITH IS GETTING CODE COMPLIANT IMPACT OR LAMINATE GLASS TO PASS THE ENERGY CODE PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SOLAR HEAT GAIN COEFFICIENTS AND THE U VALUES.
SO I MAY EVEN PUT INTO, INTO ONE OF THESE IS THAT, UH, FOR SCHOOLS TO PUT IN IT, IT MAY NOT BE THIS SECTION, BUT WAS TO ELIMINATE A, A, UM, A SATION OR A WINDOW CODE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY SHALL BE, YOU KNOW, A U VALUE OF, OF 0.3.
UM, THAT WAY WE CAN MORE EASILY AND MORE COST-EFFECTIVELY GET IMPACT OR LAMINATE GLASS INTO THE SCHOOLS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BLOWING A BUDGET.
SO THAT WAS WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS ONE UP OUTTA CURIOSITY.
WHAT, UH, UH, CLIMATE ZONE ARE WE LOCATED IN IN SAN ANTONIO? 2, 2 2.
AND I THINK IT SWITCHES JUST NORTH OF USA COUNTY OR TWO TO THREE.
UM, ON THE SURFACE, UH, I DON'T HAVE A PERSONALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT I WILL MAKE THE OBSERVATION THAT MOST OF THE SCHOOLS THAT I'VE BEEN INTO IN THE PAST 10 YEARS ALREADY HAVE THESE VESTIBULES.
WELL, AND THAT WAS A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH STAFF.
PRETTY MUCH EVERY NEW SCHOOL THAT'S BEING BUILT, PUBLIC SCHOOL HAS THAT.
THEY HAVE LIKE A BANK TELLER, YOU KNOW, OR TICKET TELLER WINDOW WHERE YOU GOTTA PATCH YOUR ID THROUGH A SOME KIND OF GLASS.
I AM A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF REQUIRING IT.
I JUST THINK THE ENERGY CODE IS NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING IT FOR ENERGY CODE REASONS.
WE'RE DOING IT FOR SECURITY REASONS.
AND IF IT'S, THAT IS THE CASE, UH, I THINK IT SHOULD GO WITHIN THE BUILDING CODE.
SO AS SCHOOLS, UH, REMODEL, YOU KNOW, AND DO SOME KIND OF REMODELING PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT THESE IN FOR THE SECURITY OF THE KIDS INSIDE.
UH, EXEMPTING, UH, THE SCHOOLS, IF YOU KNOW, TO PUT, I GUESS THAT'S BULLETPROOF KIND OF GLASS ON THE FRONT IS IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO YEAH.
IT'S NOT EVEN A FULLY BULLETPROOF GLASS.
BUT IT'S JUST SO IT'S AN IMPACT RESISTANT OR SOMETHING TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE BIG BOARD, BUT I'M SORRY, I, I DO WANNA REAL QUICK, UH, SO STAFF DID REACH OUT AFTER WE REQUESTED THIS FROM MR. MCFARLAND TO OUR, UH, COUNTERPOINTS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
AND WE DO HAVE A MEMBER FROM ONE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT DID WANNA COME COME TALK TO THE COMMITTEE.
SO I THOUGHT WE'D HAVE HIM COME TALK FIRST AND THEN MAKE ANY MOTION.
UH, JEREMY DOESN'T DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAVE A SEPARATE SCHOOL TEAM, UH, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH SCHOOL PROJECTS.
AND WAS THIS REVIEWED WITH THEM ON THIS RECOMMEND PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION? IT WAS SENT TO THE AD THAT OVERSEES THAT TEAM.
SO I, I THINK QUALIFIED QUALITY ENOUGH
UM, WE DO HAVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
UM, AND I DID REACH OUT TO A COUPLE OF THEM, UM, AS I FELT IT WAS NOT, NOT SHORT NOTICE.
UM, I COULD HAVE DONE THAT IN AN EMAIL, BUT IT DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TWO OF OUR, UH, LARGER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE AREA, UM, ABOUT THIS EXACT, UM, SEC CODE SECTION, UH, IN GARRETT SULLIVAN WITH NORTHEAST SS D UH, WAS ONE OF THOSE FOLKS.
AND, UH, LEROY, SAN MIGUEL WITH NORTHSIDE I S D.
UM, AND, AND GARRETT DID SHOW UP TODAY IF WE HAD ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR,
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OR IF YOU DID WANT TO HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, UM, THEY ARE, UH, ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE AREA.CRYSTAL, WHAT WAS THE, YOUR INITIAL FEEDBACK, UH, FROM YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TWO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS NORTHEAST AND NORTH SIDE? THEY WERE, THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UM, THEY HAVE ALREADY, UM, NORTH SIDE, I BELIEVE ALL OF THEIR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN NORTHEAST, HALF OF THEM, THEY HAVE RETROFITTED, UH, REMODELED THEIR ENTRY LOBBIES TO PROVIDE THESE SECURITY LOBBY SECURITY VESTIBULES THAT INCLUDES, UM, THE BALLISTIC GLASS CAMERAS CONTROLLED ACCESS, THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A SECURITY VESTIBULE.
NOT JUST A VESTIBULE, BUT A SECURITY LOBBY.
UH, SO BASICALLY THIS IS NOT A HEARTBURN AND IT'S NOT AN, AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE TO A SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT MR. MCFARLAND HAS BROUGHT UP IS, UH, UNLESS WE HAVE SOME EMPIRICAL DEBT, WHAT IS THE ENERGY SAVINGS? AND YES, IN BUILDINGS UP NORTH, IT'S AN ENERGY ISSUE SO THAT YOU CAN MODERATE THE TEMPERATURE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INSIDE ENVIRONMENT AND THE OUTSIDE ENVIRONMENT.
BUT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A MAJOR, UH, OBSTACLE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
ACCORDING TO THE ONES THAT I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, WHICH DIDN'T INCLUDE, UM, OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, ALL OF THOSE OTHERS THAT WOULD ALSO BE IMPACTED.
I'M ACTUALLY ON THE BOARD OF ONE OF THE, UM, UH, FOR SHEPHERD OF THE HILLS, AND WE ACTUALLY INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE DESIGN OF OUR NEW BUILDING.
UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THOSE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT WITH THE SAME LENS THAT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS WELL AS FAR AS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS.
CAN WE HEAR FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.
THANKS FOR, UH, THE INVITATION TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK TO YOU.
I'M GARRETT SULLIVAN WITH, UH, NORTHEAST SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND ENGINEERING.
SO I HANDLE ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION PROJECTS FOR THE DISTRICT AND HAVE BEEN IN THAT CAPACITY SINCE 2001.
AND, UH, BEFORE I START, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, CRYSTAL AND HER TEAM.
UH, WE'VE HAD A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH, IN FACT, WHEN I FIRST STARTED DISTRICT, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SCHOOL TEAM, UH, THAT CAME INTO PLAY, UH, AROUND 2003 TH 2004.
IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS YOU ALL EVER DID WAS TO, UH, INCLUDE A SCHOOL TEAM.
'CAUSE IT REALLY HAS STREAMLINED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN HELPING US COORDINATE OUR DESIGNS AND GET, UH, PERMITTING AND INSPECTIONS DONE IN AN EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.
BECAUSE SCHOOLS ARE LIKE PARACHUTES.
ANYHOW, BACK TO THE, UH, THE POINT IN HAND, UH, NORTHEAST HAS, WE'RE THE SECOND LARGEST DISTRICT IN THE AREA WITH ABOUT 60,000 STUDENTS.
AND, UM, WE HAVE NO ISSUE WHATSOEVER WITH INCORPORATING THE REQUIREMENT FOR VESTIBULE AND THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT RENOVATION OR NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
AS CRYSTAL MENTIONED, UH, WE ALL HAVE BEEN LEANING TOWARDS TRYING TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR SECURITY PROCESSES AT THE SCHOOLS.
UH, EVEN THOUGH HARDENING THE FACILITY IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO PREVENT, UM, UNFORTUNATE, VERY UNFORTUNATE, UH, SITUATIONS LIKE JUST HAPPENED AT VALDI.
I MEAN, IT REALLY TAKES PARENTS AND STUDENTS AND STAFF BEING, UH, OBSER OBSERVANT OF THE SURROUNDINGS AND TO LET STAFF OR POLICE KNOW OF AN INCIDENT.
BUT IT DOES, I THINK, DETER, UM, SOMEONE, UH, FROM TRYING TO GAIN ENTRY TO THE SCHOOL.
I MEAN, IT IS A, IT IS A METHOD THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER.
SO WE, UH, AS CRYSTAL MENTIONED, WE BEGAN THE PROCESS ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO OF RETROFITTING OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS WITH SECURE INVES.
SO IT WOULD SERVE TWO PURPOSES.
IT WOULD MEET THE ENERGY CODE REQUIREMENT THAT'S BEEN HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN THE, UH, IN THE I E C C.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, UH, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE BULLET RESISTANT GLASS.
UH, WE HAVE THE TRANSACTION WINDOW THAT, UH, YOU DESCRIBED MR. ROSS SO THAT THE, THE PATRON CAN PASS THE ID CARD THROUGH.
BUT THE STAFF MEMBER IS ESSENTIALLY BEHIND A PROTECTED, UM, ELEMENT.
UH, WE PUT IN THE, IN FACT, ALL WE PUT IN ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, WE PUT IN A SYSTEM CALLED AN AN IPHONE.
SO WE HAVE A CAMERA AND A INTERCOM SYSTEM MOUNTED AT THE FRONT DOOR OF EVERY SCHOOL
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IN OUR DISTRICT.AND THE PATRON HAS TO STAND THERE AT THE DOOR, PUSH THE BUTTON, THE PERSON WILL GREET THEM.
UH, HOW CAN I HELP YOU? I'D LIKE TO GO TO MY SON OR DAUGHTER'S CLASSROOM, OR HAVE LUNCH WITH MY STUDENT.
AND THOSE SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE SECURE ENTRY IBLE, THEY'RE IN ESSENTIALLY IN AN ENCLOSED SPACE WITH NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE, THE FULL SCHOOL BUILDING YET THEY PRESENT THEIR IDENTIFICATION AND THEIR RATIONALE FOR BEING THERE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHECKED OUT AND THEN THEY'RE ALLOWED ENTRY INTO THE SCHOOL.
NOW, WE DON'T HAVE IT AT EVERY SCHOOL.
WE'RE ABOUT, I'D SAY ABOUT 60%, UH, MORE SO AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FULL-TIME POLICE OFFICER AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, WHICH IS THE MOST, THAT'S TWO THIRDS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SCHOOLS OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
SO WE'VE GOT 46 ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, HALF OF THEM, UH, WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THESE UPGRADES AND WE'LL INCLUDE THE REST IN OUR NEXT NEXT BOND PROGRAM.
BUT WE'RE FULLY IN FAVOR OF HAVING THIS AS A REQUIREMENT.
WE DON'T SEE THIS AS AN IMPEDIMENT.
THIS IS A PLUS, UH, TO, TO DO THIS.
AND, UH, I THINK THE LARGER SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT WAYS, UH, TO IMPLEMENT THESE KIND OF MEASURES ALREADY, MAINLY FOR SECURITY, BUT IT ALSO DOES, UH, SUPPORT THE ENERGY.
'CAUSE SCHOOL BUILDINGS ARE, UH, BIG CONSUMERS OF ENERGY AND WE TRY TO BE VERY PRUDENT IN OUR DESIGNS IN TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
MR. GARRETT, UH, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE ANY HISTORICAL DATA, UH, BASED ON MR. MCFARLAND'S RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT THE ENERGY SAVING IS? HAVE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, REALIZED FROM A DOUBLE VESTIBULE ENTRY VESTIBULE? DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA? NO, SIR.
I DON'T HAVE ANY HARD VACS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WE PUT IN, UM, THE AUTOMATIC DOOR ENTRY SYSTEM AT OUR HEADQUARTERS BUILDING, UH, ON TASA DRIVE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ENTRY LOBBY WHERE WE HAVE THE STAIR, THE STAIR TOWERS, AND THE ELEVATOR ACCESS.
WE SAW A HU ESPECIALLY IN THE WINTERTIME, THE GOT REALLY COLD 'CAUSE IT WAS LIKE A VENT EFFECT.
WE BOTH SETS OF DOORS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING MIGHT BE OPEN AT THE SAME TIME AND THE WIND REALLY PUSHED THROUGH THERE.
AND WE, WE PUT IN THOSE DOORS, WE SAW A HUGE IMPROVEMENT AND, UH, THE OPERATION OF THE BUILDING, IT WAS A LOT BETTER FOR THE FOLKS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND I DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING DIFFERENT WITH THE SCHOOL BUILDINGS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME UP TO THE SCHOOL DURING THE DAY.
AND SO THOSE FRONT DOORS GET A LOT OF USE AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA HAVING THIS SECONDARY AREA THAT'S GONNA HELP CONTROL THE TEMPERATURE AND THE TRANSMISSION OF AIR INTO AND OUTTA THE BUILDING.
CAN I ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS PLEASE? SURE.
SO AT HIGH SCHOOLS, ARE YOU PUTTING THE SECURITY VEST VESTIBULES INTO? WE WILL, YES, SIR.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT, BUT RIGHT NOW, NONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE IT.
IF YOU, BECAUSE THIS ONLY DEALS WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IF YOU WERE BUILDING A BRAND NEW HIGH SCHOOL TODAY, WOULD YOU PUT THE SECURITY VESTIBULE IN WHERE ALL THE STUDENTS AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING NEEDS TO COME THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE? OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES? ALRIGHT, SO STUDENTS AND STAFF ARE GONNA HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET IN THE BUILDING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD CONVERSATIONS AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT YOUR VERY POINT.
DO WE WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY COME THROUGH THE SAME FRONT DOOR? 'CAUSE THE BAD GUY, IF HE KNOWS THAT THAT'S OUR POLICY, THAT'S WHERE HE IS GONNA HANG OUT.
HE KNOWS THAT EVERYBODY GOING IN THE SCHOOL'S GOING THROUGH THIS DOOR, AND THAT'S WHERE HE'S GONNA SET UP SHOP TO TRY TO, UH, INFLICT THE MOST DAMAGE.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY COMING IN THE SAME DOOR.
WE THINK THAT'S A NOT A GOOD IDEA.
WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO AT HIGH SCHOOLS, HOW DOES A STUDENT WHO'S CARRYING A GUN, WHO HAS THE R F I D CHIP, I GUESS TO GET THROUGH A SECURITY DOOR, THAT'S A SECONDARY ENTRANCE.
HOW DO YOU STOP THAT WITH A SECURITY VESTI? UH, IT WILL, IT WILL KEEP A STRANGER WHO'S NOT IN THE SCHOOL, BUT THIS IS GONNA APPLY TO EVERYTHING.
SO THE WAY THIS IS, IS EVERY ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING HAS TO HAVE A VESTIBULE.
THAT'S HOW I READ WHAT'S UP THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO TALK TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC ABOUT UVALDE, THAT WAS NOT A MAIN ENTRANCE THAT HE GAINED ENTRANCE THROUGH.
SO THERE WOULD NOT BE, BUT THAT'S ALSO A DOOR THAT'S NOT NORMALLY SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.
THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU'RE FUNNELING DURING SCHOOL HOURS ONCE THE STUDENTS ARE IN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THOSE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT'S SO WHERE, SO THE MAIN, I'M READING THE THING.
IT SAYS BUILDING ENTRANCES SHALL BE PROTECTED WITH AN ENCLOSED VESTIBULE.
SO THAT MEANS EVERY BUILDING ENTRANCE
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WHERE SOMEBODY CAN COME INTO THE BUILDING HAS TO BE PROTECTED WITH EXCEPTION TWO.NO, BUT, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE HAVING A DOOR WHERE STUDENTS ARE ENTERING, THAT BECOMES A BUILDING ENTRANCE.
NO E EXCEPTION TWO DOOR IS NOT INTENDED TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC, SUCH AS DOORS TO BE MECHANICAL.
AND HE JUST SLID IT OUT OF THERE.
BUT THAT IS A DOOR TO EMPLOYEE ONLY BY THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL.
IT'S NOT INTERPRETED AS IF, IF IF PEOPLE ARE COMING WITH BADGES, LIKE STAFF ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF A DOOR WITH BADGE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE AN EXEMPTED DOOR.
WILL YOU GET A STUDENT WHO COMES IN BECAUSE THE TEACHER KNOWS WHO THE STUDENT IS? YES.
BUT WE'RE HITTING, WE'RE HARDENING AND HITTING UP THE, THE, THE BIGGEST AND THE, THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF ENTRANCE IS TO COME IN.
I, I MEAN I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THIS.
ONE IS, I DON'T THINK THE ENERGY CODE IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO PUT IT.
I THINK WE PROBABLY, UH, NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE AND, AND MAYBE SET UP A MEETING BETWEEN STAFF AND THEM TO GO OVER WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA GOING FORWARD AND, AND THEN GET A RECOMMENDATION AND SOME LANGUAGE BACK AT THE BIG BOARD TO ADOPT IT.
BUT I THINK YOU HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING IT HERE.
DOES IT AFFECT SOME OTHER PORTION OF THE CODE? AND I THINK IT SHOULD KIND OF BE A STANDALONE DEAL WHERE IF IT'S REALLY FOR SECURITY REASONS, IT'S ADDRESSED FROM A SECURITY PERS CONCERN AND IT'S IN ITS OWN SECTION AND THIS IS ALL SCHOOLS AND, YOU KNOW, DOES OCCUPANCIES INCLUDE DAYCARE CENTERS? AND YOU KNOW, AND I JUST THINK AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WHERE CHILDCARE IS ALL ALREADY, YOU KNOW, OUTRAGEOUS, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE HAVING AN UNATTENDED CONSEQUENCE.
AND SO I JUST THINK THIS NEEDS SOME MORE, I THINK IT NEEDS TO GET ADDRESSED.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SOMEWHERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, TO GO BACK AND SAY EVERY LITTLE, YOU KNOW, DAYCARE FACILITY HAS TO HAVE A SECURITY VESTIBULE BECAUSE IT'S OVER 3000 SQUARE FEET MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL.
AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE, UH, ASK STAFF TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BIG BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SCHOOL COMMITTEES.
AND WE REACH OUT TO SOME DAYCARE PROVIDERS TO GET THEIR COMMENTS TOO, BEFORE WE JUST DO SOMETHING.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING IT AT LEAST FOR MY REASON, BECAUSE THE CODE EXEMPTS IT FOR BIG TIME ENERGY SAVINGS.
AND WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE OF SECURITY REASONS.
AND IF THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S A SECONDARY BENEFIT OF ENERGY CONSERVATION.
YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S, THAT'S NOT OUR PURPOSE IF IT'S SCHOOL SAFETY AND THAT WE NEED TO THINK IT THROUGH, WORK IT THROUGH, GET WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE, NOT FORCE THEM TO PUT IT IN, BUT AT LEAST TO HAVE THE SPACE WHERE IT'S EASY TO CONVERT IT.
WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TEAR THE WHOLE OFFICE COMPLEX AREA DOWN.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PLACE YOU CAN PUT A DOOR, A LOCKING DEVICE THROUGH, APPLY TO NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY, AND THEN MAJOR REMODELS.
IT COULD, YOU COULD WELL ANY, ANY TO ME, ANY ENTRANCE REMODEL.
THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD TRIGGER IT.
SO I, I DID WANT TO ASK SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, HAVING, HAVING ALL GOOD POINTS, MR. ROSS.
UM, HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR YOU GUYS? 'CAUSE I SAID I, HAVING DESIGNED IN FLORIDA AND DEALING WITH SOME OF THE MIAMI-DADE HURRICANE IMPACT REQUIREMENTS ALSO IN FLORIDA WITH THE HURRICANE STUFF, EVEN TO A LESSER EXTENT, EVEN IN HOUSTON, ONE OF THE ONES I KNOW PERSONALLY I'VE RUN INTO IS JUST GETTING THAT GOOD, I'M GONNA SAY GOOD GLASS.
'CAUSE IT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM BULLETPROOF TO, LIKE I SAID, IMPACT RESISTANCE TO JUST SIMPLY LAMINATE, LIKE THE WINDSHIELD OF OUR CARS ARE.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TERRIBLY, UH, UH, UH, UH, EXPENSIVE.
BUT WHAT I'VE RUN INTO THE, IN THE PAST IS, YOU KNOW, THE ENERGY CODE WITH ITS PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR GLASS REQUIREMENTS IN THE CLIMATE ZONES THAT GETTING LIKE A BULLETPROOF GLASS OR A, OR A LAMINATE GLASS THAT COMPLIES WITH THE PRESCRIPTIVE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ENERGY CODE HAS, HAS BEEN A KIND OF A PAIN IN THE BUTT.
AND USUALLY WE, THE WAY WE'D GET AROUND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, WE WOULD SWITCH OURSELVES OVER TO THE PERFORMANCE BASE, WHICH IS HERE'S YOUR BUILDING, MAKE YOUR AIR CONDITIONER MORE EFFICIENT, AND YOU CAN USE WORSE CLASS CHEAPER GLASS.
BUT TO GET TO THAT, THAT IMPACT RESISTANT OR BULLETPROOF.
SO THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER, DO YOU HAVE, HAVE YOU GUYS DEALT WITH THAT? AND, AND TO TAKE THIS EVEN FURTHER THAN JUST OUR SIMPLE, UM, OUR VESTIBULE, IT MAKES ME QUESTION, DO
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WE WANNA LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THE GLAZING OF THE ENTIRE BUILDING OR ANYTHING WHERE IT'S A DOOR AND SIDELIGHTS AND LEAVE WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY THINK OF WINDOWS ALONE.WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN, IN AMENDING THE CODES IN A SMART WAY, MAKE HARDENING THE SCHOOLS MORE COST EFFECTIVE? AND, AND THE GLAZING ONE AS, BECAUSE IT JUST APPLIES TO THE VESTIBULES, THE, THE FIRST ONE THAT COMES TO MIND.
WELL, TO ADDRESS YOUR FIRST, FIRST QUESTION, IF IT'S THE FRONT ENTRANCE OR A MAIN ENTRANCE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING THROUGH, WHEN WE DO ANY KIND OF RETROFITS, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE BULLET RESISTANT CLASS.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA TAKE SEVERAL, SEVERAL ROUNDS FROM DIFFERENT TYPES OF WEAPONS BEFORE IT'S, IT'S GONNA FAIL.
WE WANT THAT REACTION TIME FOR THE POLICE AND ADMINISTRATORS TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO WHATEVER THE CRISIS IS.
SO THAT, AND THAT GIVES YOU THAT REACTION TIME.
WE TIP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE AREA WE'RE IN, WE WE'RE DESIGNING OUR ROOFS AND OUR EXTERIOR PENETRATION FENESTRATION FOR THE 150 MILE AN HOUR WINDSTORM EVENT.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST STANDARD PRACTICE WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND DESIGN COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING IN THE KINDS OF GLAZING THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED, UH, WHATEVER IS MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND ALSO MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO, AND WE, WE HAVE NO, UH, OBJECTION TO WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.
BECAUSE IN, IN SOME OTHER CASES, LIKE IN A, IN A, I'LL SAY A, A RETROFIT APPLICATION WHERE WE'VE DONE, AGAIN, WHERE WE'VE HAD VESTIBULES UP NORTH WITH SIMPLY LIKE A WINDOW FILM.
LIKE EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THE TENT THAT YOU HANG ON THE INSIDE OF YOUR CAR.
AND AGAIN, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA STOP, BUT IT BUYS 30 SECONDS, TWO MINUTES, WHICH IS ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN A HIGH SCHOOL THAT THE SECURITY OFFICER CAN GET THERE OR A COP DOWN THE STREET CAN GET THERE WHILE THAT PERSON IS IN THAT VEGETABLE BEFORE THEY ENTER.
SO IT'S JUST, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE OPEN UP TO THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MEANS BECAUSE OUR, OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS MAY NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A BULLETPROOF GLASS.
I'LL USE THE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE TERM.
BUT AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE EVEN YOU GUYS AT THE, AT THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE A VERY COST EFFECTIVE WAY OF, OF APPROACHING THIS.
THAT THE CODES NOT HANGING US UP JUST TO, TO SAY, OH, YOU'VE GOTTA USE DOUBLE PANE GLASS, LOW E BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, WHEN REALLY A PIECE OF HALF INCH LAMINATED GLASS IS, IS WHAT WE WANT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A PIECE.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, UM, FILM THAT YOU APPLY TO GET THAT YEAH.
IMPACT RESISTANT, BULLET RESISTANT.
BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU, 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE A BUNCH OF THESE.
THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF THE DESIGN WAS THE FILM OR THE GLASS THAT CAME FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
THAT WAS THE LONGEST LEAD TIME AND IT WAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE ELEMENT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GONNA GIVE YOU YOUR BEST LIFESAVING OPPORTUNITY IS THAT THAT IS WHAT'S GONNA PREVENT THE BULLET FROM IMPACTING A STUDENT OR A STAFF MEMBER AND GIVE YOU THAT TIME TO, TO TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION TO DEFEAT THE THREAT MS CHAIR.
SO IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT, BUT IT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PART OF THE PROJECT CHAIR.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING TOWARDS SECURITY AND PROCESSES FOR SCHOOLS.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT ENERGY CODE ISSUE IN MY OPINION.
BUT THE DISCUSSION SEEMS IT'S GOING TOWARDS THE SECURITY AND SAFETY OF STUDENTS AND STAFF.
UH, WE DO HAVE AN I L A IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HERE IN TOWN, AND THAT AGREEMENT WAS UPDATED IN 2019.
NORMALLY IT'S 10 YEARS, BUT IT'S REALLY RENEWED ON EVERY YEAR BASIS.
WE CAN EMIT THAT AT ANY GIVEN TIME BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION.
MY RECOMMENDATION TO CRYSTAL IS TO GET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OPEN THAT CONVERSATION, LET'S MEET WITH THEM, TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY SECURITY AND THEIR PROTOCOL BASICALLY, AND PROCESSES.
AND THEN IF WE NEED TO AMEND OUR AND OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT TO HAVE THAT, WE WILL DO SO.
UM, AMID THIS, ROBERT HANLEY, UH, I AGREE WITH YOU WHAT YOU SAID.
UM, AND MY GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UH, JEREMY, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS UP, UH, PER QUE OF MR. MCFARLAND IS, UH, CAN WE GET THIS ADDRESSED, LET CRYSTAL ON UNDER THE ILAS WITH THE SCHOOLS, UH, BRING THIS BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION IN SOMEWHERE ELSE BESIDES THE ENERGY CODE TO THE BIGGER BOARD SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONAL MEETING OUTSIDE OF THAT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, CLEAR ISSUE THAT WE CAN JUST BRING TO THE BIGGER BOARD.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IN MY MIND RIGHT NOW, BUILDING CODES TALKS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE TYPE OF MATERIAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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AS I SAID, I THINK THIS IS MAINLY A SAFETY DISCUSSION SLASH SCHOOL PROTOCOL ON WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA CONTROL ACCESS TO THEIR SCHOOLS.THEN ALSO THE, AGAIN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY, MR. SULLIVAN, UH, WHAT IS T E A'S POSITION? BECAUSE I KNOW T IT USED TO BE T E A WOULD GIVE YOU A LOT OF THE CRITERIA FOR YOUR DESIGNS OF YOUR SCHOOLS.
SO AS LONG AS THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY'S BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE'RE OKAY.
YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT THE T E A HAS CONSTRUCTION GUIDELINES FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHICH WE MAKE PART OF THE ARCHITECT'S, UH, CONTRACT TO COMPLY WITH.
BUT I WOULD SAY BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD HERE TODAY, THAT BASED ON MY, THE LATEST VERSION OF THE T E A CONSTRUCTION GUIDELINES, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING SOMETHING THAT IS MORE STRICT THAN WHAT THE T E A REQUIRES.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE T E A WOULD REQUIRE.
I THINK WE'RE BEING MORE STRICT, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA BE OKAY WITH THE TA.
'CAUSE AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING MORE STRICT THAN WHAT THEY REQUIRE, YOU'RE GOOD.
WELL, MY, MY CONCERN ABOUT LETTING IT GO JUST SIMPLY TO THE, THE IO INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT IS AGAIN, THAT MEANS ALL OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE GONNA BE NOT INCLUDED.
IT MEANS, I, WHAT I HEARD WAS THE CHARTER SCHOOLS AREN'T GONNA FALL UNDER IT EITHER.
SO I I I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE PLACE TO PUT THIS.
UM, AND WE NEED TO APPROACH IT THAT WAY.
THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST SAY ON THAT ONE IS, IS BECAUSE I WAS TALKING GLAZING, UM, MAYBE WE'LL JUST MAKE IT AN OPEN SECRET THAT, HEY, IF YOU'RE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR GLASS THAT DOESN'T MEET ENERGY CODE, PRESCRIPTIVE ENERGY CODE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A, AN OVERALL SMART PROCEDURE THAT THEY COULD ALWAYS COME BACK TO OUR BIGGER BOARD BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A WAIVER AND, AND YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT COMPLY WITH THE ENERGY CODE OR SOMETHING, BUT BIG BOARD CAN'T WAIT.
DO WHAT? BIG BOARD CAN'T WAVE.
SO WELL THEY'LL, IF THEY CAN'T DO A WAIVER, THEN WE'RE NO, BUT I, I, THE, THE, THE, THE BOARD CANNOT WAIVE CODE, BUT THE BOARD CANNOT WAIVE CODE.
SO THEN NO, BUT, BUT I THINK YOUR POINT IS CORRECT, IT APPLIES TO OTHER THING BESIDES JUST SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
I THINK WORSE, THE BEST MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY BUILD A VESTIBULE.
SO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THEY HAVE THE SPACE TO SET THIS UP, HOWEVER THEY CHOOSE.
ONCE YOU HAVE THE VESTIBULE, IT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOURS IS, IT MAY BE TECHNOLOGY WHERE THEY HAVE A BUZZER TO GET IN AND SOMEBODY'S IN A HOLDING, YOU KNOW, HOLDING AREA.
IT MAY NOT BE BULLETPROOF, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT IF SOMEBODY FIRES OFF A GUN IN THE VESTIBULE, THAT BUYS YOU SOME TIME TO GET EVERYBODY IN LOCKDOWN AND LOCK ALL THE DOORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT IN A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, ALLOWING THE CHARTER SCHOOLS AND THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND THE DAYCARE OPERATORS.
SO I, IT MAY NOT BE JUST BY OCCUPANCY TYPE, IT MAY BE THE TYPE OF BUILDINGS.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE JUST TABLE IT AND WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION COMES THROUGH TO THE BIG BOARD AND IN THE MEANTIME, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THAT YOU START HAVING THAT DIALOGUE.
AND IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT JUST TO DRAFT SOMETHING UP AND BRING IT TO THE BIG BOARD DIRECTLY FOR INSERTION WITHIN SOMEWHERE IN THE BUILDING CODE.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO KIND OF BACK TO WHAT GREG WAS SAYING AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL, I WANT TO TIE THOSE TOGETHER.
UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU USED THE WAVE, WE, UH, SORRY, THE WORD WAVE, BUT REALLY THAT WOULDN'T BE THE INTENT AND DEFINITELY NOT WITH THE, THIS BOARD OR THIS COMMITTEE COULD DO.
SO IF ANYTHING THAT WE ADD TO THE CODE BECOMES CODE REQUIREMENT AND THEN CAN ONLY MEET THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IS OUR CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST, WHICH IS KIND OF, I'M MEETING THE INTENT OF THE CODE BY NOT MEETING THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, BUT I'M DOING X, Y, Z TO MEET THE INTENT OF THAT.
IF WE LEAVE IT UNDER THE ENERGY CODE AND A SMALLER JURISDICTION OR A SMALL PRIVATE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT THEY ARE KIND OF BEING REQUIRED TO PUT IT IN THE I B C.
THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT HARDER FOR A CODE MODIFICATION REQUEST WHERE IF YOU LEAVE IT IN THE ENERGY CODE, WHILE THE INTENT IS ONE THING, THIS IS STILL JUST ENERGY ONLY.
SO IF THEY WERE TO COME IN WITH A C M R TO SAY, I CAN'T DO A VESTIBULE, BUT I CAN DO SOME COST SAVINGS AND ENERGY HERE YEAR TO YEAR, THEN THAT GIVES THEM THAT LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OUT.
'CAUSE REALLY THE ENERGY CODE, IT'S ALL ABOUT ENERGY SAVINGS.
WE'RE GETTING THE DOUBLE IMPACT OF IT BY HAVING THE VESTIBULE THERE FOR SAFETY.
BUT IT ALSO GIVES THESE SMALLER JURISDICTIONS TO LOOK AT SOME WAY OF, OF MOVING OUTTA THAT IF THEY CAN'T PUT THE SLE IN.
WELL, AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S A PIECE I WAS GONNA GO BACK TO GLAZING, AND MAYBE THAT'S A PIECE TO ASK AROUND IS BECAUSE IF, IF THEY
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WANT TO GO TO A LAMINATE GLASS, THEY'VE EITHER GOTTA GO PERFORMANCE BASED.THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET AT GET AROUND THAT AS OPPOSED TO, IS IT, WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR US TO ACTUALLY AMEND THE, THE FENESTRATION, THE GLAZING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE TO LOWER THAT SO THAT IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE SCHOOLS TO BE ABLE TO GET IT? YEAH.
IN THAT CASE, SPECIFIC TO GLAZING, IT MAY BE CHEAPER UPFRONT, THEY MAY PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN ENERGY IN THE LONG RUN.
BUT LIKE TO YOUR POINT, IF, IF THEY WANT TO GO A HALF INCH LAMINATE GLASS AND IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE CODE, SUDDENLY NOW THEY'RE HAVING TO DO OTHER THINGS IN THE BUILDING AND INCREASING THE COST TO CONSTRUCT, BUT LOWERING, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, FINE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO LAMINATE GLASS.
SO THAT MAY BE ANOTHER PIECE THAT'S AN ENERGY CODE THAT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, TO THE POINT OF LET'S GO ASK SOME MORE PEOPLE ON THIS.
THAT MAY BE A PIECE AND A QUESTION TO ASK OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE NO OPINION ON, UH, YOU KNOW, A WINDOW THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY WORRIED ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, A DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT IN OUR, IN THE SATION OF THIS TO, UM, TO REDUCE THOSE SOLAR HEAT GAIN AND U VALUE COEFFICIENTS.
SO PROBABLY HAVE AN RECOMMENDING AND WHAT I'M, WE'RE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE AND I THINK THAT, THAT IT WENT FROM ENERGY AND THERE IS SOME PART OF HAVING, UH, WHAT MR. MCFARLAND, UH, WAS PROPOSING TO BE IN THE ENERGY.
THE OVERRIDING, UH, ISSUE IS IT'S PREDOMINANTLY THE CREATION OF THIS KIND OF ELEMENT IN A BUILDING IS RELATED TO SECURITY.
AND SO FOR THAT POINT, I, I DON'T THINK, UH, THAT THIS SHOULD BE, AND I'LL TAKE THE COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS INPUT ON THIS, BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE, WE GOT WAY OFF FROM ENERGY TO SECURITY, AND I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SECURITY ISSUE AS TO WHETHER THIS IS A, A VIABLE AMENDMENT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE ENERGY CODE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT SECURITY WILL BE DONE AT A SEPARATE TIME.
YEAH, I'M, I'M FINE IF WE WANNA PUSH IT UP.
YEAH, BUT I, I WANT TO PICK UP ON, ON WHAT YOU SAID, I THINK WE, SOME, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE ADD A, UH, AN AMENDMENT ALLOWING THE CODE OFFICIAL TO WAIVE THE GLAZING REQUIREMENTS FOR SECURITY REASON.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IN BULLETPROOF GAS AND THEY CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO A PRESCRIPTIVE DEAL, THAT AT LEAST Y'ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO APPEALS PROCESS? SO, UH, I MEAN, THOMAS, WE, WE, AGAIN, THE BUILDING OFFICIALLY CANNOT WAIVE CODE.
UM, NOW AGAIN, WE CAN FIND ALTERNATIVE METHODS AND THAT'S ALREADY IN CODE IN CHAPTER ONE WHERE CORRECT.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY COMES WITH PERFORMANCE DESIGN OR COME UP WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND SAY, THIS SECTION I CANNOT MEET EXACTLY, BUT HERE IS THE INTENT AND I'M DOING CERTAIN THINGS TO KIND OF BE EQUAL OR BETTER, THEN WE CAN ALLOW THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S, AND THAT'S ALREADY BASICALLY GOING TO THE PERFORMANCE BASE OF THE I ACC.
SO, BUT I MEAN, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UH, THIS, THIS CAME UP UNDER SECTION C 4 0 2 0.59.
AND AGAIN, IF THE CONCEPT HERE AGAIN, FOCUSING ON ENERGY, AND WE WANT SCHOOLS TO HAVE THE VESTIBULES AND TO NOT HAVE THE ALLOWANCE TO GET THE EXCEPTION.
ALL WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE IS TO ADD THIS, ACTUALLY THESE EXCEPTIONS APPLY TO EVERYBODY, BUT E OCCUPANCY, WHICH IS SCHOOLS, AND THAT'S IT, THAT, THAT RESOLVES THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT WOULD APPLY TO EVERY DAYCARE CENTER IN THE WHOLE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND CAN WE CONFIRM IF DAYCARES ARE AN E OCCUPANCY OR A, OR A B OCCUPANCY? UM, DAYCARES ARE EITHER AN E OCCUPANCY OR AN I OCCUPANCY, AN I.
SO, UM, MOST OF THEM, WHEN WOULD THEY BE E AND WHEN WOULD, WHAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? SORRY TO TEXT YOUR, SO YOU'RE PERMITTED TO HAVE AN E OCCUPANCY, UM, TO CALL IT AN E OCCUPANCY.
UH, MORE THAN FIVE, NOT MORE THAN A HUNDRED CHILDREN.
WERE ALL THE ROOMS OPEN TO THE EXTERIOR, THE LEVEL OF DISCHARGE.
SO THOSE KIDS, UM, AND THEN, AND I ASSUME I WOULD BE MORE THAN A HUNDRED KIDS, OR IF IT'S NOT ON THE LEVEL OF EXCESS DISCHARGE, OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE A DOOR LEADING TO THE EXTERIOR FROM EVERY ROOM.
UM, AND STRAIGHT UP E IS MORE THAN FIVE, UH, CHILDREN OLDER THAN TWO AND A HALF.
SO IF YOU JUST HAVE THAT LIKE PRESCHOOL, UM, UH, KIDDOS, MORE THAN FIVE KIDDOS, YOU CAN BE, UH, YOU'RE AN E OCCUPANCY.
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THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT PLACE TO STICK IT.OPTIONS FOR, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, UH, THREE.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, UH, REJECT IT, HOWEVER, INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO START, UH, RESEARCHING IT AND PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS TO THE BIG BOARD AT WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I, AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO REJECT.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS JUST DISCUSSION OF THE ENERGY CODE.
SO IF Y'ALL DON'T REALLY HAVE A RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT, THEN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO REJECT.
NOW, IF Y'ALL HAVE, IF Y'ALL WANNA MAKE A MOTION AND KIND OF PUT SOMETHING TO STAFF AND ALSO TO Y'ALL'S SUPER BOARD, YOU KNOW, LATER ON SOME LANGUAGE THAT WAY YOU CAN, BUT IF IT'S REALLY JUST WE DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING AT ALL, THEN IT'S, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, TABLE THE, THE ITEM.
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION OF THE 20.
NO, HANG I, I, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT THE, THE STAFF WORKED TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER REQUIRING SECURITY VESTIBULES FOR ELEMENTARY, JUNIOR, AND HIGH SCHOOLS.
POTENTIALLY DAYCARES, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT MORE OPEN AND WORK WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS TO FIND A SOLUTION TO SOMEWHERE PUT THAT IN CODE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MR. MCFARLAND, BUT THIS IS THE ENERGY CODE SUBCOMMITTEE.
I DON'T THINK THAT APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHARGE OF THIS SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT I THINK YOU GOT DIRECTION WITHOUT A MOTION.
DO THE, I MEAN, THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, SO WE HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND YES, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAKE THAT HERE, BUT THEN I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
WE TOOK IT, WE TOOK IT IN CONSIDERATION, THEN I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION.
THANK YOU MR. SULLIVAN FOR YOUR TIME.
DO YOU WEAR A LONGHORN SHIRT NEXT TIME?
BOY, YOU JUST BROUGHT UP A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE BEFORE THIS BOARD.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AGENDA ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION OF THE 2021 I E C C AND PROPOSED CHANGES IN REGARDS TO EVS AND, UH, SOLAR SYSTEMS PV READINESS.
UM, MR. JEREMY, ACTUALLY I'LL BE TURNING OVER TO DEPUTY DIRECTOR TOMAS.
AGAIN, I MEAN, TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THESE ITEMS, UM, IN THE LAST MEETING AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, CHANGES POTENTIALLY.
UM, SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT BACK, I LOOKED AT DIFFERENT CITIES AS WELL AND TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NO CONSENSUS.
SO EACH CITY OR STATE IS DOING DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, BUT JUST BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION, UM, I HAVE ON THE, ON THE SCREEN BASICALLY THE SOLAR READY SYSTEM FOR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT.
AND, UH, TECHNICALLY AFTER MY REVIEW WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER CITIES RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND ORDINANCES, UM, I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES HERE.
I LEFT IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT I WANNA REOPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION.
I KNOW, UH, SOME OF THE BUILDERS, UH, TALKED ABOUT LOOKING INTO THIS TO SEE IF IT'S CAPABLE OF HAVING, UH, A SPARE BREAKER OR SPARE SPACE IN THE PANEL.
AND IF THAT IS AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME, THEN POTENTIALLY WE CAN LEAVE THIS SECTION THAT I HAVE UP HERE WHERE ALL WHAT IT SAYS IS YOU NEED TO HAVE THE CAPACITY ON THE PANEL BY HAVING A SPARE AREA OR SPACE TO ALLOW FOR A DUAL POOL, UH, CIRCUIT BREAKER FOR FUTURE.
BUT AGAIN, UH, I'LL OPEN IT FOR DISCUSSION.
I KNOW SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TALKED TO SOME BUILDERS, SOME OF YOU GUYS ARE BUILDERS ALREADY AND DID SOME RESEARCH ON IT.
SO IF WE CAN OPEN THAT DISCUSSION AND DECIDE WHAT TO DO, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO JOE AND BRIAN TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INPUT OR COMMENTS.
UH, FIRST I'M GONNA DEFER OVER TO JOE LEOS.
UH, HE HAD SPOKEN TO, UH, I E S WHO IS ONE OF THE LARGER ELECTRICAL FIRMS HERE IN TEXAS AS WELL AS NATIONWIDE.
UM, I, I'D LIKE HIM TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE INPUT BASED UPON THE INFORMATION HE DID FIRST.
UH, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON SEE WHAT THE DIFFICULTY WOULD BE.
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WE RECEIVE AS FAR AS SUPPLY AND AND INSTALL FOR GAS VERSUS ELECTRIC COMMUNITIES.AND RIGHT NOW, UH, WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL CONSI CONSIDERABLE COSTS IF WE DID THIS IN THE ELECTRICAL COMMUNITIES.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO, UH, DECLINE THIS TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL SLOTS, UH, AGAIN, 'CAUSE IT'S ELECTRICAL AND WE'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT GOING MORE ELECTRIC IN SOME COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, UH, IN THE GAS COMMUNITIES, NOT SO MUCH, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANT FOR THE ELECTRICAL SIDE WHEN IT'S HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRICAL IN THE HOUSE.
SO, JOE, JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, SO BASICALLY IF YOU ARE BUILDING A SUBDIVISION AND THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS ARE MAINLY ELECTRIC, UM, THE PANELS THAT YOU'RE INSTALLING TODAY DO NOT HAVE A SPARE, UM, AREA FOR, FOR FUTURE, UH, BREAKERS.
IN THE, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT I TALKED TO, I E S THEY'RE INSTALLING RIGHT NOW FOR US.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU CLARIFY IF THAT IS FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE, WHICH WOULD DRIVE AN INCREASE IN SERVICE SIZE COMING INTO THE BUILDING, OR IF THAT IS RELATED TO PV ONLY, WHICH WOULDN'T CHANGE THE SERVICE SIZE, IT WOULD ONLY CHANGE THE CIRCUIT COUNT OF THE PANEL BEING INSTALLED.
ALL THE LABOR WOULD REMAIN BASICALLY THE SAME.
IT'S JUST A MATERIAL CHANGE IN THE, IN THE PANEL IT IS THE PANEL ONLY.
SO I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SOLAR READY RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT JOE IS TALKING ABOUT IS SPECIFICALLY THE, THE SPACE ON THE PANEL.
SO HOW HARD IS IT TO INSTALL THE EXTRA PANEL NEXT TO SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY THERE OR TO ALLOW FOR, UH, SOME OTHER DISCONNECT DEVICE LIKE ON AN AIR CONDITIONING TO BE THE VEHICLE FOR IT TO BE PUT IN AT A LATER DATE? BECAUSE YEAH.
DID DID WE GET
AND MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU GO TO ADD THE PANEL, IS THAT GONNA BE MORE THAN $700 AT THE END OF THE DAY? WELL, DID WE EVER HEAR ANYTHING FROM C P S WHETHER THEY WOULD ALLOW A DIFFERENT WAY TO CONNECT THE SOLAR POWER INTO THE BUILDING, OR ARE THEY STILL GONNA FORCE THE HAND AND IT'S GOTTA BE AT THE MAIN PANEL ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE? COULD WE USE A SUB-PANEL? COULD WE, YOU KNOW, DID, DID, DID C P SS HAVE ANY RESPONSE? UH, C P S STANDARDS TODAY REQUIRE TO BE CONNECTED ON THE OUTSIDE, ON THE MAIN PANEL, OUTSIDE, NOT THE SUB-PANEL.
SO AS, AS MY COMMENT THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WHY ARE WE, IS THAT A C P S REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A CITY OWNED UTILITY, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND WE CAN TELL C P S WHAT TO DO, OR IS THIS A TEXAS STATE OF TEXAS REQUIREMENT FROM LIKE ERCOT OR SOMEBODY ELSE? BECAUSE AGAIN, IF IT'S C P S, THERE IS NO REASON WHY THAT RULE EXISTS.
IT'S DONE DIFFERENTLY IN NUMEROUS OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
AND SO I THINK WE AS A, AS THIS BOARD SHOULD BE RECOMMENDING BACK UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY TALK WITH C P S.
AND IF YOU WANT, WE WANT SOLAR IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE NEED TO MAKE TELL C P S TO MAKE IT COST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR END USERS AND STOP BEING A BARRIER TO THE INSTALLATION OF SOLAR IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A STATE REQUIREMENT OR IF IT'S JUST, UH, C P S.
I KNOW IT'S IN C P SS STANDARDS THAT THEY REVIEW EVERY FEW YEARS AND UPDATE, UM, AGAIN, DOESN'T MEAN IT CANNOT BE CHANGED IF IT'S CITY REQUIREMENT.
UM, I, AGAIN, I WILL, I WILL VISIT WITH C P S AND CHECK ON THAT.
I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR WHERE BRIAN, BRIAN SMITH.
SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER HEARING WITH JOE, UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL COST OF THAT, UH, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHERE, WHERE THINGS MAY GO REGARDLESS.
SO I THINK IT'S, UH, PRUDENT UPON THIS BOARD TO MAKE SOME MOVEMENT, UM, AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING AND LOOK THE CODE, UM, POSSIBILITIES.
YOU SAID THERE WAS A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I, I THINK THIS IS A FIRST STEP FOR US TO KIND OF DO SOMETHING.
AND FROM WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS TO DO ONE SLOT FOR YOUR EXTERIOR PANEL AND ONE SLOT FOR THE INTERIOR PANEL.
UH, BUT IT WAS NOT DESIGNATED AS FAR AS BREAKER.
THERE WAS NO WIRE, THERE WAS NO CONDUIT.
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EVERYBODY THAT I'VE SPOKEN WITH AS FAR AS THAT, IF WE JUST DO THAT, WAS OPEN TO THIS FIRST STEP, UM, TO MAKE SOLAR READY AND EV READY.UM, SO AS, AS FAR AS FROM THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION STILL IS TO HAVE, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ON SOLAR, CORRECT? IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ON.
THIS COMPONENT WOULD BE THE EXTERIOR PANEL WITH ONE SLOT OR ONE DUAL, UH, TWO, TWO CIRCUITS.
SO, UM, MR. SMITH, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY HAS SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION? YES.
AND, AND, AND I MIGHT PUT JUST A, A THAT IT IS ONLY THE, THE EXTRA TWO CIRCUIT, TWO POLE BREAKER AT THE BOTTOM.
'CAUSE AGAIN, I KNOW EVERYBODY USES THE SIX SWITCH RULE DOWN HERE TO AVOID PUTTING IN A MAIN, A MAIN CIRCUIT BREAKER.
SO I'M, I WOULD BE PERFECTLY OKAY THAT AS A LATER DATE.
'CAUSE I, LIKE I SAID, I LOOKED AT DOING THIS ON MY HOME.
YOU'RE JUST ADDING A MAIN BREAKER THAT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS TO ADD THAT.
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT THE ADDITIONAL WHERE YOU CAN USE MORE THAN SIX BREAKERS.
SIX SWITCHES IN THERE AND YOU COMPLY.
SO JUST LITERALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SAY IT.
YEAH, GO, GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT REVISION.
I MEAN, OR YOU CAN ADD THAT AMENDMENT.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT STILL MEETS THE INTENT YEAH.
OF WHAT THIS IS AND WILL WILL HELP AS FAR AS THE AFFORDABILITY, AS FAR AS THE HOMES.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S WHERE JOE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL COSTS OF COMING FROM THESE, THE SIX BREAKERS AND SUCH, AND THE, THE CHANGES OF WHAT IT'S GONNA MAKE TO THE HOUSE AS RIGHT COST.
SO WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS WHEN I GO TO AN EIGHT BREAKER SYSTEM, I NEED SOME OTHER MAIN DISCONNECT.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CLARIFY IN THE ENERGY CODE THAT BY HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING A ADDITIONAL DISCONNECT.
SOMETHING LIKE THE LINES OF THE SPARE, THE SPARE SPACE SHALL NOT DRIVE THE NEED FOR A MAIN MAIN BREAKER.
I I JUST WANTED TO INTERJECT HERE FROM, UH, I HAVE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER BACKGROUND.
THEY, THEY JUST CHANGED THE CODE WITH REGARD TO THE SIX HANDLE RULE.
UM, AND SO I'M, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK FOR CERTAIN ON A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S IMPACTED WHERE LIKE IF I BROUGHT A 600 AMP PANEL INTO A BUILDING AND HAD SIX DISCONNECTS, I CAN'T DO THAT NOW OR SIX UH, BREAKERS IN THAT PANEL.
THEY HAVE TO BE IN SEPARATE, UM, STEEL ENCLOSURES.
I COULD DO A WIREWAY WITH MULTIPLE DISCONNECTS.
I COULD DO A TWO SECTION SWITCHBOARD.
AND SO THE, ON THE LARGER STUFF, THE COST IS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THOSE ANYMORE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT RULE AFFECTS, UH, A RESIDENTIAL WHERE IT WILL HAVE TO HAVE A MAIN BREAKER.
AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMENT I WOULD HAVE IS THE SPACE IS ONE THING, THE CAPACITY IS THE SECOND THING.
'CAUSE THE SPACE DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY.
AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S LABELED THAT THAT CAPACITY'S THERE, LIKE THIS AMENDMENT SAYS, I, I THINK THE CAPACITY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
'CAUSE THERE ARE WELL, FOR SOLAR SPECIFIC CODE THINGS ON THE SOLAR.
YEAH, WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY DRIVING A BIGGER BUS, BUS SIZE ON THE SOLAR SIDE PER SE.
THAT'S WHY SAY EV WOULD KILL IT.
THE THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS BASED ON YOU COULD HAVE POWER COMING IN FROM THE CITY AND UH, THE SOLAR.
SO THE BUS WOULD HAVE TO BE BIGGER THAN THE MAIN BREAKER.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S AN EFFECT ON THE EQUIPMENT THAT HAS TO GET SOMEHOW ADDRESSED.
I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW, BUT IT'S IN THE ELECTRIC CODE.
AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT IT COMPLY WITH THE ELECTRIC CODE.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, BEING A NON-ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, SO IF YOU HAVE THE SOLAR WIRE COMING DOWN INTO THE PANEL AND YOU HAVE C P S FEEDING INTO THE PANEL, THE BUS HAS TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO HANDLE BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME VERSUS THAT'S CORRECT.
BE BECAUSE YOU COULD THEORETICALLY, WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE GOES INTO, IS YOU COULD THEORETICALLY TAKE 200 AMPS OFF THE MAIN SERVICE AND 40 AMPS OFF THE SOLAR WITH WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING INSIDE YOUR BUILDING AND OVERLOAD THE BUS.
SO THEY'VE GOT THAT REQUIREMENT IN THE, IN THE SOLAR REQUIREMENTS OF THE N E C.
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OKAY.SO MAYBE THE WAY IS, IS WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING TO MAYBE HAVE A DIFFERENT MEETING.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK IN, IN JUST GENERAL TERMS, WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T END UP BEING 700, 800, A THOUSAND, $5,000 EXTRA TO THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND SOMEBODY WHO IS WAY SMARTER IN UH, TECHNICAL BACKGROUND NEEDS TO GO SAY, OKAY, IF WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILLIAM WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, DOES IT HAVE THAT EFFECT WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IN EFFECT REQUIRING IT AND NOW IT'S A BIG DEAL.
SO WHAT DO THEY DO NOW WHEN THE, THE, THE HOUSE PANEL HAS THAT AND THEY'RE ADDING SOLAR, THEY JUST DO IT AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE I KNOW THEY DON'T COME BACK AND REDO THE WHOLE SERVICE.
SO IF I INSTALL SOLAR AT MY HOUSE, DON'T I NEED A T S LIKE AUTOMATIC TRANSFER SWITCH SO THE SOLAR AND THE MAIN WILL NOT BE FEEDING AT THE SAME TIME? SO BASICALLY NO, NO, NO.
THE THE, IN FACT THE UH, THE, THE SOLAR THROUGH THE INVERTER IS REQUIRED, UH, TO, TO BE A, UH, UTILITY GRID INTERCONNECT.
SO IT'S LOOKING FOR THE UM, C P S POWER IN ORDER TO OR OTHERWISE IT WILL TURN OFF.
BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, WE'RE ALL, WE CAN LIVE WITH IT.
IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT, BY DOING THIS, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN TO THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM? BECAUSE I THINK UNTIL WE FIGURE THAT OUT, YOU CAN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO COST WISE.
AND MAYBE TALK TO SOME OF THE SOLAR PEOPLE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE INSTALLING IT AND ASKING THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY DO BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE OVERLOADING SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY IS GONNA TURN INTO A BIG FIRE HAZARD ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE'RE, WE'RE, I THINK, I THINK AS FAR THIS IS LAWN, UH, I THINK AS FAR AS UH, UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO STAFF, UH, VALERIE AND HER GROUP WOULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET THEIR INPUT BACK.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY COULD GIVE YOU A REAL CONCISE ANSWER ON THE ELECTRIC CODE REQUIREMENTS.
I, I JUST WAS PEEKING AT IT, JUST TRYING TO FIND IT.
'CAUSE IT'S 120% RULE IS WHAT THEY KIND OF THREW IT AT IS A QUICK GOOGLE.
SO IF YOU HAVE LIKE A 200 AMP BUS, THEN YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO PUT 40 AMPS OF SOLAR INTO IT.
SO THERE'S A FEW NUANCES THAT IN THERE THAT, THAT YOU'RE RIGHT.
DOES IMPACT ON THE BUS SIZING INSIDE OF THE PANEL VERSUS THE MAIN BREAKER.
BUT AGAIN, I I THINK WITH MOST OF OUR HOMES BEING A 200 AMP SERVICE, IF THEY CAN STICK 40 AMPS WORTH OF SOLAR ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BUS, IT LOOKS, IT, IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE IT'LL COMPLY.
'CAUSE THAT'S ALMOST A 10 KW SYSTEM ON A HOUSE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL HIT THAT AND IT DOESN'T STATE THAT CAN
WELL, I I WAS THINKING THE, THE, THE SOLAR READY, WEREN'T WE JUST SAYING LIKE 2,500 WATTS? AT ONE POINT I WAS THINKING LAST WEEK WE HAD TALKED SOMETHING ABOUT 2000 WATTS THAT HAD TO YEAH, 2000 DOING 2000 WATTS.
SO AGAIN, I, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING A GIANT IMPACT IN IT.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, AT, AT MOST I'D SEE US A, MAYBE A CHA A, A CHANGE FOR, INSTEAD OF HAVING A SIX OR A, UM, A 12 CIRCUIT PANEL, I E SIX HANDLES, YOU MIGHT GO TO A TO A 16.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE AT A GAS HOUSE THAT ONLY HAS FOUR BREAKERS IN THAT MAIN PANEL, AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE NEW SIX, THE NEW SIX SWITCH RULE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALREADY COVERED.
SO I, I JUST THINK AS LONG AS WE SAY RIGHT, BUT IF, BUT IF THE GOING ABOVE THE SIX SWITCH RULE TRIGGERS ANOTHER THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF STUFF ABOVE YEAH.
THEN INITIAL CONSTRUCTION COST.
WELL, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE MAKING, YOU'RE PUTTING A HIDDEN TAX ON EVERYBODY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, 10 PEOPLE IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT, YOU KNOW WANTS SOLAR.
SO GOING AGAIN, JOE, WHAT, WHAT DID I E S DID THEY GIVE YOU A COST? I KNOW THEY PUT SEVERAL DOLLARS SIGNS, BUT DID THEY GIVE YOU A COST OF US UPGRADING IT? WHAT THAT COST TO THAT EACH HOME WOULD BE, IT COULD BE $800 TO THE BUYER.
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CORRECT.NOW, NOW, DID THAT ENTAIL A NEW, A NEW BIGGER PANEL, A MAIN SERVICE DISCONNECT? WHAT, WHAT ALL DID THAT $700 ENTAIL? JUST THE EXTRA SLOTS FOR THE ELECTRICAL PANEL.
I GOTTA CALL BULL HUEY ON THAT ONE.
AGAIN, GOING FROM A 12 CIRCUIT PANEL TO A 16 CIRCUIT PANEL IS NOT $700.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE COST OF A PANEL.
IT'S HOW THAT COST THEN WORKS ITS WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM WITH PROFIT AND OVERHEAD ON EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT TOUCHES IT.
SO, BUT I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS BY DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, DOES THIS TRIGGER THE MAIN DISCONNECT REQUIREMENT OR ANY OTHER RULE OTHER THAN HAVING A BIGGER I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE UNTIL THAT BREAKER IS INSTALLED, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THE SIX SWITCH RULE THING.
BUT IF THAT, RIGHT, BUT AT THAT POINT, IF YOU INSTALL THAT BREAKER AND IT TRIGGERS THE REQUIREMENT BY PUTTING IT IN OF A MAIN DISCONNECT, NOW YOU'RE TEARING OUT, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
LIKE THE PANEL ON MY, THE PANEL ON MY OTHER HOUSE, IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS A HUNDRED BUCKS TO BUY 175 AMP SQUARE D BREAKER AND CALLING C P S TO SHUT THE POWER OFF AND INSTALL IT.
AND THEN I WAS READY TO GO TO PUT IN SOLAR IF I WANTED TO.
AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S OUR POINT, IS OUR POINT IS NOT TO PUT THAT AS AN UPFRONT COST, BUT IF IT COST THE HOMEOWNER A THOUSAND BUCKS TO GET THAT MAIN BREAKER PUT IN AND A 40 AMP BREAKER IN THE BOTTOM OF THE PANEL LATER, THAT'S ON THE HOMEOWNER, THAT'S NOT THAT HIDDEN TAX YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
BUT AT THAT POINT, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO DO ALL OF THAT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT DO IT UP FRONT.
AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL DO IT WHEN YOU PUT THE SOLAR IN, ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE SOLAR PUT IT IN BECAUSE IT, AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE NOT SAVING ANY TIME.
SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THING IS, IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO HAVE SOLAR IS PUT THE BREAKER IN, PLUG THE WIRE FROM THE ROOF INTO THE BREAKER, AND YOU'RE DONE.
I, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING THE CAPABLE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO SPEND A ANOTHER THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REWORK YOUR ELECTRICAL DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, MIGHT AS WELL JUST DO THAT ALL AT THE POINT IN TIME.
I, I THINK THE POINT IS, IS TO AVOID HAVING TO RIP THE WHOLE PANEL OFF THE WALL AND REPLACE THE ENTIRE PANEL.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE SOLAR, A TWO POLE BREAKER IN THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING AT, AT WORST, IT'S JUMPING US FROM A A, A, A, A 12 CIRCUIT PANEL TO A 16.
I KNOW, BUT YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU ADD THAT BREAKER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL OUT A PERMIT.
AND IF THEY GO COUNT AND SAY, NOW I NEED A MAIN DISCONNECT THAT RUN THAT TRIGGERS ALL OF THE CIRCUITS.
IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY YOU TAKE THE WIRES OUT OF THE LUGS OF THE PANEL, PUT THE MAIN BREAKER IN, AND SHOVE THE SAME WIRES INTO THAT BREAKER, AND NOW YOU'RE COMPLIANT.
AND, BUT NOW I NEED TWO EXTRA SPACES FOR THAT, THAT THAT'S USU THAT IS USUALLY A, A SPACE THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY, IT'S PUT THAT BREAKER IN, OOPS, PUT THIS BREAKER IN AND YOU'RE READY TO GO.
WHAT I WANT TO AVOID IS THE THOUSAND PLUS DOLLARS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO RIP THE WHOLE SERVICE OFF THE WALL, THAT PANEL HAS TO BE TAKEN OUT.
REFEED ALL THE CIRCUITS BACK IN.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE COST I'M TRYING TO AVOID BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE, LIKE I SAID, CALIFORNIA'S ALREADY AT THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE MAKING ALMOST EVERY NEW HOME HAVE SOLAR ON IT.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IN CALIFORNIA USUALLY HITS THE REST OF US 10 YEARS LATER.
SO LET ME, SO BRIAN SMITH, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY.
THIS, IT WON'T BE A REQUIREMENT FOR REMODELING IF THEY'RE ADDING ADDITION.
AND WE HAD TO UPGRADE A PANEL.
THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
OH, SO BRIAN SMITH, I, I, I AM GONNA MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT IT AS WRITTEN.
WE CAN STILL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND WHEN WE DO THE BIG BOARD, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.
I HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, BRIAN SMITH AND A SECOND FROM MARK ROSS FOR APPROVE OF THE LANGUAGE AS SUBMITTED BY CITY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
DO WE HAVE A NAY? WAS ONE A ONE JOE VOTE SO I HAVE ONE DAY AND THAT'S LON.
AND THEN BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BIG BOARD, CAN SOMEBODY JUST GO OVER YES.
AND CHECK EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS INTO THE N E C SO THAT IF IT WENT FROM, YOU KNOW, NOT EXPENSIVE TO VERY EXPENSIVE, WE KNOW ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND.
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YEAH, WE, WE WILL DO THAT.UM, WE DO GET A LOT OF SOLAR PERMITS ON MONTHLY BASIS.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE NEW AND SOME OF THEM ARE FOR EXISTING HOUSES.
AGAIN, I DON'T DO THE REVIEWS.
THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO SEE IF ONE OF THE REVIEWERS IS HERE.
UH, BUT HE, HE'S NOT AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE WILL BRING THAT INFORMATION TO THE FULL BOARD AT THAT TIME, REGARDLESS, WHATEVER WE FIND, WE'LL BRING IT AND TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY FROM PLAN REVIEW SAYING THAT FOR EXISTING HOUSES, LIKE WE HAD TO UPGRADE THE SERVICE.
I KNOW I HEARD BEFORE THEY HAD TO CHANGE THE PANEL ITSELF BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SPACE, BUT I DON'T, I DID NOT HEAR ANY TIME WHERE THEY HAD TO UPGRADE THE MAIN LINE COMING IN.
SO I'M HOPING THAT'S THE ANSWER ON ALL OF THEM.
BUT WE WILL, WE WILL DO THE RESEARCH AND GET THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE THE FULL BOARD.
I DID, I DID WANT TO ADD, THIS IS LONG.
I DID WANT TO ADD, UH, THE, UH, N E C NO LONGER HAS THAT SIX DISCONNECT RULE AS IT WAS COMMONLY IMPLEMENTED.
SO YOU'D HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MAIN BREAKER ON THAT PANEL FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S NOT, THANK YOU, LON.
THAT CON COMPLETES ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE IZED.
AND SO, UH, WE'RE LEFT WITH THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, JEREMY? NO, WE GOT IT.
NO, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A RESIDENTIAL SOLAR.
UM, SO WE GONNA JUMP INTO THE COMMERCIAL SOLAR AND LET, I MEAN, DEPENDS.
OH, THERE'S TWO PARTS ON ITEM FOUR.
OH, ITEM ITEM FOUR TALKS ABOUT THE 2021 ENERGY CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES IN REGARDS TO SOLAR AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS.
SO IT'S REALLY TWO ITEMS, BUT COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
SO BASICALLY THE SAME THING HERE, UH, ON COMMERCIAL, UH, LEFT EVERYTHING I JUST ADDED ACTUALLY WHAT'S IN YELLOW TO MAKE SURE IT'S SPECIFIC.
WHAT, WHAT'S REQUIRED IS REALLY THE, THE SPACE FOR DUAL POLE CIRCUIT BREAKER.
CAN YOU SCROLL UP? 'CAUSE I KNOW MARK, DIDN'T YOU HAVE A BIG HEARTBURN ON IT, LIKE AN R FOUR OCCUPANCY? THAT, THAT I AGREE.
I, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT WHERE LIKE, IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT IF WE'RE ONLY GONNA REQUIRE THEM TO PUT IT THE SAME THING WE DID RESIDENTIAL JUST A SPACE.
YEAH, BUT THAT, THAT'S A SPACE ON EVERY PANEL ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FEED IT INTO THE MAIN DISTRIBUTION.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHERE I'M RAISING THE QUESTION.
I, FOR, FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, I'D SAY NO, WE DON'T EVEN PUT THIS IN OTHER THAN THE HOUSE PANEL.
THAT THE HOUSE PANEL, I, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
SO LET, LET, LET'S CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT APARTMENT COMPLEX YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE ANY APARTMENT'S, THREE STORIES OR LESS IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL WITH THE ENERGY CODE.
SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGER, SO DOES THAT MEAN THE ONE WE JUST, WE JUST DID, IF WE HAVE A A THAT WE JUST APPROVED THAT ALL THOSE, ALL THOSE APARTMENTS THAT ARE THREE STORIES AND LESS, WE JUST MADE ALL THE TENANT PANELS IN THOSE APARTMENTS HAVE THAT EXTRA SPACE.
WELL THEN THAT CAN I, I DON'T HAVING THE HOUSE PANEL HAVE IT IS NO BIG DEAL.
HAVING EACH INDIVIDUAL SERVICE HAVE IT, THERE'S NO WAY BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU'RE NOT GONNA LET SOME SOLAR COMPANY COME IN AND PUT SOMETHING ON THE ROOF FOR ONE TENANT WHO'S ON A SIX MONTH LEASE.
DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND JUST SAY, THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING ONLY SINGLE FAMILY TWO FAMILY.
SO I WENT BACK TO THE FIRST ONE.
SO ARE YOU SAYING REMOVE THAT TIME OUT? I, I, I WANT TO CLARIFY IN THE ENERGY CODE, YOU SAID ENERGY CODE, UH, IS DIFFERENT, UH, THAN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE AS FAR AS MULTIFAMILY.
AND IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL BUILDING FOR THIS CL CODE INCLUDES DETACHED, ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, TOWNHOUSES AND GROUP R TWO, R THREE IN OUR FOUR BUILDINGS, THREE STORIES LESS, NINTH ABOVE GREAT PLAIN.
SO YOU'RE SAYING ALL MULTI-FAMILY?
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NO, YOU ARE, YOU ARE CORRECT.WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE, WE'D HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE TOWNHOUSE.
'CAUSE USUALLY THE EXTERIOR'S CONTROLLED BY THEIR IN H METER.
BUT OUR TRUE TOWNHOUSE IS THEY OWN THE ROOF.
THEY OWN IT'S ZERO LOT LINE TOWN HOMES.
IF IT'S A CONDO PROJECT, AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, WHICH COULD BE A TOWNHOUSE, BUT IT'S ON ONE LOT, THEN THE CONDO ASSOCIATION OWNS THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH MEANS THAT THE, AGAIN, IT'S LIKE MULTIFAMILY.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA LET SOMEBODY PUT A SOLAR ARRAY ON A ROOF, YOU KNOW, FOR ONE UNIT.
THAT'S, SO I'LL LET YOU GUYS DECIDE HOW WE NEED TO FIX THAT.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO APPLY TO THE HOUSE METER ON A MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT.
SO HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE AMEND WHAT WE JUST APPROVED TO SPECIFICALLY SAY EXEMPT, UH, INDIVIDUAL MULTIFAMILY METERS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HOUSE METER.
I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT Y'ALL CONFIGURE THE LANGUAGE.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A MOTION BY MR. ROSS AND A SECOND BY MR. MCFARLAND TO, UH, BACKWARDS.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT MY EARS HEARD.
UM, THE, UH, UH, ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE PREVIOUS MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SAME SIGN FOR FOR NEGATIVE? NO.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE VOTING ON? OR MAYBE I'M CONFUSED.
IN THIS PROCESS WE'RE THE PREVIOUS MOTION, WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING AN EXCEPTION TO THE PREVIOUS MOTION THAT EXEMPTS OUT MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS R TWO, OCCUPANCY R TWO.
AND EXCEPT FOR THE HOUSE METER.
UH, REAL QUICK, THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT UNDER THE, THE SECTION THAT Y'ALL AMENDED JUST RECENTLY PRIOR TO THE SECOND MOTION.
UNDER THE FIRST MOTION THAT IS SINGLE DETACHED, ONE IN TWO FAMILY HOMES AND TOWNHOUSES.
AND THAT IS IT, THAT THERE IS NO MULTI-FAMILY ON THAT ONE UNLESS YOU'RE INCLUDING TOWNHOUSES.
BUT I THINK YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER, THE TOWNHOUSES TYPICALLY HAVE THE SINGLE METER FOR THAT HOUSE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL TYPICALLY SOLD INDIVIDUALLY AND TO DIFFERENT IN INDIVIDUAL OWNERS.
SO THEY IN A LOT OF WAYS FALL UNDER THAT DETACHED ONE STORY OR ONE FAMILY.
JEREMY, COULD YOU BRING THAT LANGUAGE BACK UP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? WELL, THIS IS THE MAIN LANGUAGE.
SO THIS IS THE OVERALL ARCING THAT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT DE DETACHED ONE AND TWO WITH TOWNHOUSES.
MAYBE THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE REITERATED IN THE SCOPE.
MAYBE THAT'S WHERE SOME CONFUSION LIES.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT, THE WAY THE SCOPE APPLIES.
SO THE OBJECTION IS, UH, THAT IT MIGHT APPLY TO, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT OBJECTION WAS SO WE COULD BE CLEAR? YEAH, SO IN A MULTI, IN AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY, HAVING TO PUT ON THE OUTSIDE PANEL INDIVIDUAL, UH, EXTRA BREAKERS TO ATTACH SOMETHING TO THE THIRD, SECOND OR THIRD STORY OF A ROOF, THAT EITHER THE OWNER'S GONNA DO IT BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S THERE, BUT THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR THE OWNER TO DO THAT.
THE ONLY INCENTIVE PLACE THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE OPERATION IS ON THE HOUSE METER.
SO I THINK THE HOUSE METER, THE OWNER MAY PUT SOLAR ON THE ROOF TO COVER THE COMMON AREAS THERE.
THEY'RE NEVER GONNA PUT IT IN FOR A TENANT, NOR ARE THEY GONNA ALLOW A TENANT TO PUT IT IN BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE MAKING A COMMITMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, A 10 YEAR OR 30 YEAR PAYBACK ON A SIX MONTH LEASE.
SO, SO THE CONCERN IS THE, UH, DEFINITION OF WHAT IS A TOWNHOUSE, WHAT IS AN APARTMENT BUILDING AS THIS CODE APPLIES? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THE WAY THIS SCOPE READS, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTIONS, THREE STORIES OR LESS.
SO THAT'S WOULD INCLUDE A GARDEN APARTMENT COMMUNITY.
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THE WAY IT'S STATED IS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE MULTI-FAMILY.MARK, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? WELL, IT SAYS DETACHED ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS, MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, TOWNHOUSES, THREE STORIES OR LESS.
THERE'S, NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE TITLE.
NOW READ THIS, THE RB 1 0 1 0.1.
WELL, IN THE BUILDING CODE, I THOUGHT, UH, ALL RESIDENTIAL WAS FOURPLEXES AND LESS ANYTHING OVER FOUR UNITS IS COMMERCIAL.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO HERE IS IN THE SCOPE JUST MODIFY TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS AND TOWN HOMES.
AND I WOULD ALSO THEN COME UP WITH A SECTION IS MULTIFAMILY THEN COMMERCIAL? YES.
SO I GUESS WE CAN, UH, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN YOU GET TO THE COMMERCIAL SECTION.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF THE SAME THING JUST FOR COMMERCIAL.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION WAS.
UM, SO THIS, THIS SECTION IS SPECIFICALLY COMMERCIAL.
IT COULD BE, UH, A BUILDING, OFFICE BUILDING COULD BE, UM, A STRIP CENTER, IT COULD BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, ANYTHING.
SO I GUESS, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS HEADING, TALKING MAINLY ABOUT, I GUESS APARTMENTS, UH, AND THE NEED OR, OR THE EXEMPTION OF THAT.
SO I'LL LET YOU GUYS DISCUSS IT.
SO THIS ONE I THINK WE'RE, AT LEAST MOST OF US ARE AGREED THAT THIS SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL EXCEPT I'M MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR YOU JUST MAKE AN EXEMPTION TAKING OUT THE MULTI-FAMILY MEET INDIVIDUAL METERS.
I JUST SAY, I, I, I'M KINDA WITH YOU ON THIS MARK.
THAT'S A LOT OF TECHNICALITIES TO TRY TO GET THROUGH.
PLUS, LIKE YOU SAID, IF YOU'VE GOT 200 WATTS WORTH OF LIGHTING IN A COMMON AREA AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S ON YOUR HOUSE PANEL, IT DOESN'T PAY TO, IT DOESN'T PAY TO DO ANYTHING.
AND SO I JUST SAY, WE JUST SAY IT'S COMMERCIAL EXCEPT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
DOES THAT WORK, MARK? YEAH, I MEAN, I LIKE THAT, BUT MY PROBLEM IS, IS IT MOVES ALONG THE FOOD CHAIN AND MULTIFAMILY IS NOT INCLUDED AT ALL.
THEN IT'S GONNA GET DRACONIAN AS IT MOVES UP THE FOOD CHAIN.
SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE AN EXEMPTION THAT SAYS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL METERS ARE TAKEN OUT, BUT THE HOUSE METER HAS TO HAVE.
SO, SO COULD YOU SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM, SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HIT IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT COULD BE A HIGH, IT COULD BE A HIGH RISE BUILDING THAT HAULS.
SO, SO LIKE HERE UNDER THE CA 1 0 3 0.7 IS WE, WE DO ONE FOR LIKE AN EXCEPTION ADD AN, I'D LIKE TO ADD AN EXCEPTION THAT SAYS THE MULTIFAMILY INDIVIDUAL UNIT METERS UNDER THAT.
SO IS THAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN? IS THAT UNDER THE SCOPE? SO HERE WHERE IT SAYS THESE PROVISION SHALL BE APPLICABLE FOR ALL NEW COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION EXCEPT MULTIFAMILY.
I I I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
ADD AN EXCEPTION RIGHT THERE THAT SAYS ACCEPT OR, UH, YOU CAN WORK THE LANGUAGE OUT LATER.
BUT THE CONCEPT IS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL UNIT METERS DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SPACE FOR THAT DUAL POLE BREAKER, BUT THE HOUSE METER WOULD IN IN MULTIFAMILY.
HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN SINGLE FAMILY WHEN YOU RENT IT? BECAUSE THE, THE TENANT DOESN'T OWN THE ROOF SPACE.
SINGLE FAMILY RENTS OUT AND I HAVE TO ADD THE SLOTS.
YEAH, IT, IT IS, IT'S, IT'S, THE BIGGER PROBLEM WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S RENTAL.
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S RENTAL AUTOMATICALLY.
I MEAN WHEN, WHAT, 40%, 30%? WHAT'S OUR, WHAT ARE, HOW MUCH OF OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION IS RENTAL? I MEAN, IT MAY END UP THERE EVENTUALLY, BUT IT'S NOT JUST
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THAT.IT'S THE POINT WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE MULTIFAMILY, IT, THIS AS WRITTEN WOULD FORCE EVERY TENANT TO HAVE A, HAVE THAT SPARE IN THEIR, THEIR SUB-PANEL OR THEIR PANEL UNDER THEIR METER THAT WILL NEVER AND AND NEVER BE USED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PUT PANELS ON TOP OF THEIR APARTMENT COMPLEX BECAUSE IT'S RENTED, NOR CAN NOR IF IT'S A, UH, CONDO PROJECT, CAN THEY PUT IT ON THE ROOF OF THE CONDO BECAUSE THAT IS NOT CONTROLLED BY THAT.
JOE, UH, UH, IT MAY BE A SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S RENTAL TODAY OR, OR NEXT YEAR.
BUT AFTER THAT IT'S OWNED FEE SIMPLE OWN OWNERSHIP.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES IS YOUR OBJECTION, JOE, UH, TO THE REQUIRING IT ON THEIR SINGLE FAMILY.
I CAN DO THE, I CAN DO A WHOLE 200 UNIT, UH, UNDOING BILL TO RENT.
ALL 200 UNITS IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
I'VE GOTTA ADD IN THESE SLOTS AS WELL.
SO WHERE, WHERE DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT, WHERE 200 HOMES IN A SUBDIVISION ARE ALL RENTALS.
I WHERE, I MEAN, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT.
SO I MEAN I, WE HAD A THING CALLED UNITY VILLAGE THAT WAS FOR RETIREES TO LIVE IN AND THEY YEAH.
BUT THERE THAT, THAT STUFF IS, IS COMING, BUT EVENTUALLY ALL THOSE HOUSES AT SOME POINT ARE GONNA BE SOLD AS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENT, I MEAN THAT'S THE REAL DIFFERENCE.
THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING THESE COMMUNITIES FOR, UH, INVESTORS RENT THEIR INVESTORS AT SOME POINT.
I GUARANTEE YOU THEIR EXIT STRATEGY IS NOT SELLING THE WHOLE THING.
IT'S GONNA BE SELLING THE THE THING OFF ONE BY ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORTH MORE AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAN THEY ARE AS A RENTAL COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND I MEAN, OUR COMPANY IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT AND WORK THE NUMBERS.
SO IT'S BUILD 'EM, OPERATE 'EM, AND THEN IT SOME POINT SELL 'EM.
WHAT, WHAT NEXT? ANYBODY ELSE COMMENTS OR I'D TURN IT BACK OVER TO ME.
SO, SO WELL NEED TO A STATEMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAD AN ACTUAL MOTION.
THAT THAT WAS IN THE FORM OF A MOTION.
DID I MISS A VOTE? AND YEAH, FOR PURPOSES, MARK OF RE GETTING THIS RECORDED PROPERLY, MAKE THAT A MOTION SO THAT I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT THERE BE AN EXEMPTION AND, AND DON'T HAVE THE EXACT WORDING, BUT THE CONTENT OF THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD AN EXEMPTION TO CA 1 0 3 0.7 THAT SAYS ACCEPT MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS OTHER THAN THE HOUSE METER.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. ROSS AND A SECOND FROM MR FROM MCFARLAND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
I HAVE, UH, UH, A NO VOTE FROM LON.
AND I, I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UM, AND, AND TWO CONCERNS ON REQUIRING A SPACE FOR A CIRCUIT BREAKER.
SO WHAT I WOULD WANT, IF I BOUGHT A BOUGHT ANYTHING, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW HOW BIG A BREAKER CAN I PUT IN IT? HOW BIG OF AN INVERTER WILL THAT SUSTAIN SO THAT I KNOW WHAT I CAN PUT IN THERE.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT'S A CONCERN.
'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A SPACE AND MAY OR MAY NOT WORK ACTUALLY.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER.
THAT 120% RULE, IF YOU'VE GOT A 200 AMP BUS, YOU CAN ONLY PUT A 40 AMP SPARE FOR SOLAR IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUICK GOOGLE.
SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING.
BUT, BUT THAT ISN'T, THAT ISN'T IN THE LANGUAGE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN THE LANGUAGE.
THERE'S NOTHING REQUIRING THE, UH, BUILDER TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SOLAR.
SO, SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF THIS, THIS BEING, UH, SOLAR CAPABLE INSTEAD OF SOLAR READY.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE VERBIAGE.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOLAR READY IS DEFINING ALL OF THAT AND, AND HAVING ALL THAT THIS IS SOLAR CAPABLE.
SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.
NOW, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND HOW ALL THAT'S GONNA BE DONE IS NOT DEFINED IN THIS FOR EVERY SINGLE JOB.
IF WE'RE BUILDING A NEW ONE OR DOING A NEW COMMERCIAL, ONE WOULD THINK THE ARCHITECT OR SOMEBODY WHO'S DESIGNING WOULD BE TALKING TO THEM AND THOSE THINGS WOULD BE DEFINED.
BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUTTING A BARE MINIMUM OF ALLOWING THE CAPABILITY TO HAPPEN.
BUT IF YOU'RE DOING A NEW ONE, A NEW COMMERCIAL ONE, OR IF I WAS DOING A NEW HOME TALKING WITH A HOMEOWNER, THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE DEFINED.
I'M GONNA KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF KILOWATT ARRAY
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OR WHERE THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO GET TO.AND ALL THAT WOULD BE DEFINED INTO THAT ELECTRICAL PANEL.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT I, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
SO I, I SAY, OKAY, THERE'S TWO SPACES IN THE PANEL AND I, I WALK AWAY AND A HOMEOWNER SAYS, OH, THERE'S A SPACE FOR MY INVERTER.
MAYBE HE GETS A PERMIT, WHICH HE SHOULD, MAYBE HE DOESN'T BECAUSE IT SAYS SOLAR READY.
HOW DOES ALL THAT WORK AGAIN, NOT SOLAR READY, SOLAR CAPABLE.
WELL, THEY'D BE VIOLATING THE N E C AS WELL AS I, I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT GOOD IT DOES TO HAVE A SPACE.
IF I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THE SYSTEM WILL SUPPORT IT.
THAT'S SO WHAT, WHAT SIZE BREAKER IS REQUIRED FOR A TYPICAL SOLAR INSTALLATION? I, I'VE DONE HIS, WELL, HE WAS WAVING JASON VANDIVER SPEARER.
I THINK MR. MCFARLAND NAILED IT.
I MEAN, WITH THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE MORE THAN A 40 AMP ON TIP.
I DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT EVER BEING AN ISSUE.
AND TECHNICALLY A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN SHOULD HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT AT THE TIME.
AND IF IT'S INADEQUATE THEN IT WOULD BE REMEDIED AT THAT TIME.
BUT 99 TIMES OUT OF A HUNDRED HAVING THAT EXTRA SPACE IS, IS GOING TO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE WHOLE PANEL.
I MEAN, I THINK Y'ALL ARE HEADED IN THE EXACT RIGHT DIRECTION.
IS A 40 AMP BREAKER BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE WHAT KIND OF SOLAR ARRAY AND WHAT SIZE LIKE THAT'S IS NORMALLY PUT IN AGAIN, I'LL JUST SAY I DID A 2,500 WATT ARRAY ON MY HOUSE AND THAT WAS A TWO PULL 20 AMP BREAKER.
AND I DON'T THINK I EVEN USED THE FULL 20 AMPS OF THE BREAKER.
I MEAN, A 40 AMP, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO, I MEAN, A HOUSE THAT NEEDS MORE THAN A 40 AMP BREAKER IS GONNA HAVE MORE THAN A 200 AMP PANEL.
I MEAN, IT, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
UM, AMIN'S GONNA, YEAH, SO I THINK THAT, SO WE HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'LL PRESENT TO THE FULL BOARD FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL EV RIGHT.
OUR CAPABLE, I THINK, CAN YOU GO BACK UP? I'M SORRY.
CAN YOU GO BACK UP TO THE, THE SOLAR AREA? YEAH.
WHAT THE SOLAR, CAN WE GO TO THE SOLAR READY ZONES? WE NEED TO EXEMPT MULTIFAMILY ON THAT TOO.
WAIT, NO, I'M, SO YOU WERE JUST DOING THAT ONE SECTION.
NO, I, I, THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT WOULD LIKE FINE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE SOLAR READY ZONES AND ALL THAT STUFF ARE TAKEN OUT.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO IT, YOU'LL JUST RELOCATE.
UH, WHERE IF YOU HAVE TO, I, I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST
DID WE APPROVE ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS? NO, WE GOTTA COME UP AND AMEND THIS ONE TOO.
IT WAS JUST THAT ONE LINE ITEM.
WE WERE TALKING ON BOTH OF THOSE AS FAR AS THE SLOTS.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND CONFIRM THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR SOLAR READY ZONES, CORRECT? NO, THERE IS, BASED ON LAST TIME CONVERSATION.
YOU GUYS DIDN'T WANNA DO ANY OF THIS, RIGHT.
AND NOW WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE SECTION.
SO TITLE, SCOPE, AND THAT ONE SECTION YOU GUYS VOTED ON.
SO I, I'M GONNA ASK, 'CAUSE IF WE'VE NOW HAVE INCLUDED THIS LIST, I WOULD SAY DON'T WE STILL NEED TO COME INTO TO 1 0 3 0.1 AND UNDER THE EXCEPTION JUST SAY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL? NO, BECAUSE 1 0 3 POINT ONE'S NOT IN THE, IT'S NOT IN WHAT WE APPROVED DEALING WITH.
WE ELIMINATED THAT'S, WELL NO, WAIT A MINUTE.
IS IS THE WHOLE SECTION, I MEAN HOW WE CAN'T ACCEPT ONE THE BOTTOM OF THIS, BUT THE WHOLE PIECE IS, BUT WE'RE ONLY ADOPTING THAT VERY LAST LINE.
THE VERY LAST LINE OH, WE'RE ADOPTING IS JUST THE PANEL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS CLARIFY TO FIND.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S THE VERBIAGE WHEN WE PRESENT TO THE FULL BOARD, WHICH WILL BE THE ACTUAL CHAPTER 10 DRAFT.
Y'ALL CAN SEE THAT AND REVIEW THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADOPTING.
CAN WE GO, ARE WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT EV'S NEXT? YEAH, SO EV'S NEXT.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO REAL FAST, 'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DEFINITIONS AND SO I LOOKED THAT UP REAL QUICK.
SO ENERGY CODE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE UNDER, THEY HAVE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL BUILDING AND RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
DEFINITION OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT COVERED UNDER RESIDENTIAL DEFINITION.
RESIDENTIAL DEFINITION IS ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING TOWNHOUSES AND GROUP R TWO, R THREE AND R FOUR BUILDINGS, THREE STORIES OR LESS.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL, THAT WILL NOT INCLUDE THE GARDEN STYLE VARIETY, THREE STORIES OR LESS APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT FALLS UNDER RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THE WAY WE'RE VER WORDING THE SCOPE UNDER RESIDENTIAL IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE SECTIONS.
TALKING ABOUT EV AND SOLAR READY, OR AT LEAST ON THE SOLAR READY
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ONE, IT WAS PURELY ONE OF TWO FAMILIES AND TOWNHOUSES ONLY.SO TECHNICALLY NOTHING WE DID TOUCHES GARDEN STYLE VARIETY APARTMENTS.
AND GARDEN STYLE OR THREE STORIES OR LESS APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS SOMEWHERE WE NEED TO INCLUDE THEM THE HOUSE PANELS ON IF Y'ALL WANT TO, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO EXEMPT THEM OUT COMPLETELY, IF THE HOUSE PANEL HAVING THOSE TWO CIRCUITS DOESN'T REALLY HELP ANY.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS A SMART MOVE.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THE SAME DEFINITIONS AND JUST THE, THE EXEMPTIONS WE ADDED IN SO THAT THIS, SO THAT EXEMPTION WOULD FALL UNDER BOTH.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE UNDER THE ENERGY CODE, SOMEBODY'S GONNA LOOK AT THE DEFINITION AND THEN THIS DEFINITION'S DIFFERENT THAN THE DEFINITION AND THE BOOK.
SO I WOULD, THE, THE EXEMPTIONS THAT WE APPROVED, I THINK NEED TO APPLY TO BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.
AND THAT WAY IT'S JUST CLEAR THAT IT'S OUT.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE ABOUT A TWO OR THREE MINUTE BREAK.
UH, SO PEOPLE CAN EXERCISE THEIR LEGS AND WHATEVER ELSE THINKS.
UM, ALRIGHT THEN THE, SO THE LAST, THE LAST ITEM I HAVE IS BASICALLY THE EV THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
AND UM, AGAIN, THIS DOCUMENT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
AND UH, SO I CHANGED FEW THINGS.
ANYTHING IN YELLOW, BASICALLY I CHANGED, UM, CALL IT EV CAPABLE VERSUS EV READY.
UM, AGAIN, I KNOW YOU GUYS MENTIONED THE FOUR M VERSUS THE 50 M, BUT THAT'S AGAIN FOR EV READY, THIS IS JUST DEFINITIONS.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GONNA COMPLY WITH IT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT EACH DEFINITION MEANS.
I ADDED DEFINITION FOR CAPABLE SPACE BASICALLY, AND ALL WHAT IT SAYS IS TO HAVE THE CAPACITY AND SPACE SUPPORTING FOUR AMP BREAKER AND TO BE RESERVED BASICALLY WITH THE LABEL ON IT.
UM, GOING DOWN HERE AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS CHANGED TO CAPABLE INSTEAD OF READY.
UM, AND WE HAVE A TABLE WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES YOU NEED.
SO FOR A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, WE TALKED ABOUT ONE.
SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST THE PANEL CAPACITY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IF IT'S TWO FAMILY DWELLING UNIT LIKE DUPLEX, TWO OF THEM, UNLESS THEY'RE FED FROM ONE PANEL, OBVIOUSLY THEN IT'S ONE.
AND MULTIFAMILY, UH, IS 3% OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES, BUT NOT LESS THAN TWO.
AND MOST, WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WILL, WHO IS A, ARE YOU AN EV EXPERT ON I I PLAY AN EXPERT ON TV.
SO IS A 40 AMP SERVICE ENOUGH, A 40 AMP BREAKER? WILL, WILL THAT SUPPLY TO, I THINK, I MEAN THAT WOULD DEPEND ON YOUR LEVEL OF CHARGER AND, AND HONESTLY I AM NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN.
I MEAN THAT'S GONNA BE A LEVEL TWO CHARGER, WHICH IS GONNA GIVE YOU LIKE 10 OR 15 MILES IN AN HOUR FOR THE CHARGE.
I MEAN YOU CAN CHARGE ON 110 VOLT OUTLET.
THE, THE BIG QUESTION I'M, I'M GONNA ASK ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I THINK MY, MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, I THINK I VOTED AGA VOTED FOR THIS WHILE EVERYBODY VOTED AGAINST IT LAST TIME.
BUT I THINK THEY'VE CONVINCED ME THAT ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE THE UPGRADED AMPERAGE ON THE SERVICE BECAUSE IT DOES US NO GOOD IN THIS CASE TO REQUIRE A 40 AMP A SPACE FOR A 40 AMP BREAKER UNLESS WE REQUIRE THAT THE SERVICE INCLUDE THE 40 AMPS COMING IN.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE, WE COULD BE GOING FROM A 100 AMP PANEL TO A 200 AMP PANEL TO A 300 AMP PANEL.
AND I, JOE, DID YOU FIND OUT WHAT SIZE PANEL IS GOING SIDE? MOST OF THE GARAGES? YEAH.
IS IT A TWO END HUNDRED AMP 200.
AND AND ON THE INTERIOR PANEL, MOST OF YOUR HIGH USAGE ELECTRIC IS GOING DIRECTLY TO THE OUTSIDE PANEL.
CORRECT? LIKE YOUR RANGES, DO YOUR RANGES GO TO THE INTERIOR PANEL? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
WELL IT MUST BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY HAVE THE BREAKERS ON THE OUTSIDE FOR THE AIR CONDITIONER.
SO I I THINK MOST OF THEM, IF IT'S A 200 AMP PANEL IS WHAT PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IS PUTTING IN NOW FOR EVERYTHING.
99% IF NOT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY.
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'CAUSE IF IT GOT, IF I GOT A 9,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, WELL, NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT A, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I CALL PRODUCTION HOMES.SO MOST PRODUCTION HOMES HAVE 200 AMP PANELS.
AND, AND ON THE INSIDE, AND I WOULD SAY MOST OF THEM HAVE 40 AMPS OF EXTRA SPACE BECAUSE IN, IN REALITY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OVERSIZED TO BEGIN WITH.
BY DESIGN, BY DESIGN, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
BUT THE, BUT THE OTHER THING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IN THE ALL ELECTRIC HOMES, WHICH ARE NOW MORE COMMON EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, YOU'LL JUST LEARN TO CHARGE YOUR CAR WHEN YOU'RE NOT USING YOUR OVEN.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY, I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK IT'S UNSAFE, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
WELL THAT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION.
IF WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING ON A SPACE LIKE WE DID WITH SOLAR, OKAY.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE CO LIKE YOU SAID, WE MIGHT BE COVERED 75% OF THE TIME JUST BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE IS THAT SPARE THERE.
BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING AT HAVING TO DO A PANEL CALCULATION AND DIVERSITY FACTORS, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO A 40, A 40 AMP EV I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU GUYS CALCULATE 'EM? WHAT DIVERSITY DO YOU GIVE 'EM TODAY? LONG? SO WE, WE WOULD, THE WAY THAT PANEL WOULD GET, UH, SIZED IS YOU'D GO THROUGH THE, UH, N E C AND DO A LOAD CALC AND THEN YOU'D GO TO A NOMINAL SIZE OF EQUIPMENT.
AND SO YOU MAY HAVE EXTRA, YOU MAY NOT, IF I HAVE A LOAD CALC THAT SAYS 199 AMPS, I CAN PUT A 200 AMP PANEL IN AND I'LL DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY SHAKES OUT.
SO THEY, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN IF WE REQUIRE A SPACE WITHOUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LEADING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THINGS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY REALLY ARE BECAUSE WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO USE IT.
THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS WE CAN, WE CAN PUT A BIGGER PANEL.
BUT THE WAY THIS IS, IS, IS READ RIGHT TODAY, POTENTIALLY READ TODAY, IS IT DOESN'T FORCE YOU TO UPSIZE THE SERVICE, THE TRANSFORMER, EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND SO IF WE WANNA LEAVE IT AS SPACE ONLY AND LET THE HOMEOWNER ROLL THE DICE, YOU KNOW HOW IT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY HAVE TO DO THEIR COORDINATION THAT THEY REALIZE THAT THEY CAN'T RUN THE OVEN, THE DRYER AND CHARGE THE CAR AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, BUT THEY'RE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT TO ADD THE BREAKER AND THE PLUG.
AND, AND IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES, WHICH WE'RE GONNA ASSUME MOST PEOPLE DO, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, IF THE PANEL'S NOT BIG ENOUGH, THEY JUST CAN'T PUT IT IN.
BUT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN, IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE A 200 AMP PANEL, AS LONG AS THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AND I AM ASSUMING THAT IF YOU HAVE A 200 AMP PANEL, YOU NEED TO BRING A BIG ENOUGH WIRE FROM OUTSIDE TO INSIDE TO SERVICE THE 200 AMPS.
YEAH, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY PIECE I FOR, FOR ALL OF US IS ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE A SPACE OR ARE WE GONNA ACTUALLY REQUIRE THE UPSTREAM INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THERE A, A USEFUL SPACE, A FUNCTIONAL SPACE THAT SO THE HOMEOWNER KNOWS THIS WILL WORK.
I, I JUST THINK IT'S A MISTAKE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT COULD LEAD MANY TO THINK THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY DON'T HAVE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SAFE THING.
SO BRIAN SMITH, SO AGAIN, THIS, THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE WHY WE'RE SAYING FROM A EV READY AND EV CAPABLE.
SO THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS, AGAIN, FOR THE PERCENTAGE OF EV VEHICLES WE HAVE OUT OUT THERE IS LESS THAN 1%.
SO THE DIFFERENCE BEING IS AN AFFORDABLE HOME.
HORTON WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS WHEN YOU START DEFINING IT MORE THAN THAT, THEN WE HAVE A POTENTIAL OF TAKING THAT 200 AMP SERVICE TO A THREE 20 AND THEN WE HAVE A, A, A HUGE UPGRADE COST.
WE'RE NOT TALKING THE SEVEN, 800 BUCK, THEN IT'S MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIAL ON A SMALL, SMALL PERCENTAGE OF, AT THE MOMENT, AGAIN, WE HAVE A THREE YEAR CYCLE, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE, AGAIN, SO MY RECOMMENDATION OF THIS WAS TO CAPABLE IS TO TAKE A BABY STEP FIRST.
AND, AND IF IT DOES BECOME MORE AND MORE CAPABLE OUT THERE, WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT CAN DEFINE SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
BUT IF YOU TRY TO DEFINE THAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL AT A TIME WHEN THINGS ARE NOT AFFORDABLE.
WHEN WE HAVE INFLATION THAT'S GOING CRAZY, WE HAVE LUMBER COSTS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ROOF AS WELL AS EVERY OTHER TRADE.
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TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THE AFFORDABILITY OF THESE HOMES THAT WE HAVE OUT HERE.HEY BRIAN, HOW DO, HOW DOES SOMEBODY LIVES IN AFFORDABLE HOME AFFORD AN EV? 'CAUSE YOU CAN BUY A USED FORD FOCUS ELECTRIC FOR EIGHT GRAND.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK RIGHT NOW I AGREE WITH BRIAN.
WE JUST MAKE SURE THE PANEL HAS THE SPACE.
I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH THINGS FOR RETROFITTING OF EVS IF IT GETS POPULAR TO SAY, OKAY, HERE IS A BREAKER AND IT'S, IT'S IF YOU HAVE YOUR CAR PLUGGED IN, YOUR OVEN DOESN'T WORK OR, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GET SMART IN HOW THEY DO THAT, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND $10,000 RETROFITTING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CALCULATIONS ARE MADE AND, AND IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE, THE INVERTER ON A SOLAR, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE AN INVERTER BREAKER THAT THAT DECIDES, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THIS SERVICE IS NOT IN USE AND THE CAR IS PLUGGED IN, IT'LL CHARGE IT.
AND SO I, I JUST THINK HAVING THE SPACE SAVES SOME TIME.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE COMMERCIAL, LIKE THE MULTIFAMILY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN IT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY AND THE SERVICE TO SUPPORT THE, UH, WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BECAUSE THAT, YOU'RE TALKING NOW ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF RETRENCHING OR PUTTING PIPING IN TO GET ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, SERVICES AND DROPS.
SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT IT IN UP FRONT.
YOU KNOW, YOU GO WITH A LITTLE BIGGER SERVICE TO THE BUILDING AND THEN JUST HAVE SPACE IN THE BREAKER.
BUT IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR A DUPLEX, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A PROBLEM.
SORRY, I SHOULD'VE PROBABLY CLARIFIED THAT A LITTLE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T COME UP WITH THESE DEFINITIONS.
I DON'T WANNA SAY I STOLE THEM, I BORROWED THEM FROM OTHER CITIES.
UH, SO THE DEFINITION FOR GOING BACK TO SOLAR CAPABLE WAS SPECIFICALLY JUST ADDING THE SPACE HERE.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU READ IT, IT SAYS THE PANEL BASICALLY SHALL HAVE THE CAPACITY AND SPACE SUPPORTING 4:00 AM BREAKER.
SO BASICALLY THE PANEL NEEDS TO HAVE THAT CAPACITY AVAILABLE.
SO IF YOU DO YOUR CALX AT 199 AMPS, YOU CANNOT PUT 200 AMP PANEL BASED ON THIS.
AGAIN, IF YOU JO, THE PANEL CHOOSES TO REMOVE THAT CAPACITY, THEN I NEED TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION HERE.
NOW I, AGAIN, THE OTHER THING I DID, I DID BUNCH OF RESEARCH AND YEAH, IT IS GOOGLE SEARCH AND GOOGLE RESEARCH.
SO, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT IN IN GENERAL, NOT, NOT JUST SAN ANTONIO OR TEXAS IN GENERAL, THE AVERAGE SIZE HOUSE IS ABOUT 2200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF POWER REQUIRED FOR THOSE HOUSES IS ABOUT 104, 140 AMPS.
MOST OF THE HOUSES ARE GETTING 200 AMPS.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL POWER ON THE MAJORITY.
AGAIN, NOW YOU GO TO A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
9,000, LIKE MR. HANLEY SAID, THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSE IS PROBABLY 70% OR SO IS 2200 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE WITH 140 AMP AND IT'S GETTING A 200 AMP PANEL, TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE THAT CAPACITY.
AGAIN, THAT'S JUST WHAT I FOUND.
BUT IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO DECIDE.
DO YOU WANT THE CAPACITY TO BE THERE OR DO YOU WANT, WANT JUST A SPACE THAT WELL MIGHT HELP, MIGHT NOT HELP THAT.
JOE, DO YOU HAVE SPACE TO ADD A 40 AMP PANEL IN, IN 40 AMP BREAKER IN YOUR INTERIOR PANEL WITHOUT, AGAIN, THE ELECTRICAL? NO, THE GAS MAY NOT OUTSIDE.
YEAH, I I I'M GONNA SCRATCH MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ONE AND, AND MAYBE LEAN TOWARDS NO, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, HAVING THROWN AMP METERS ON IT, USUALLY THE INTERIOR PANEL IS A 60 AMP BREAKER, 80 AMP BREAKER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THE, LIKE BOTH OF MY HOUSES HAD THEIR INTERNAL PANELS IN THE GARAGE AND THEY WERE FED BY MUCH, MUCH SMALLER BREAKERS.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD FEED A 40 AMP SERVICE OUT OF THAT.
UM, I MEAN, IN THEORY GUYS, WE ALREADY GOT A, A, A A TWO POLE SPACE IN THE PANEL.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE, GOD, HOW DID I GO FROM ACTUALLY LIKE BEING GUNG-HO ON THIS TO BEING LIKE THE GUY WHO'S LIKE, NO, DON'T DO IT
UM, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT A SPACE IN THE PANEL TO PUT A BREAKER IN.
NOW WHETHER THEY CHOOSE IT TO BE SOLAR OR WHETHER THEY CHOOSE, CHOOSE IT TO BE EV, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT THERE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, TO OTHERS' POINTS, I, GOSH, I I HAVE NOT GOTTEN INTO A CAR TO SEE IF
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YOU CAN PROGRAM THE CHARGE RATE EITHER IN THE CHARGER.I KNOW THERE'S A HANDSHAKE BETWEEN THE CHARGER AND THE CAR ON HOW MUCH POWER IT CAN PULL.
BUT IF WE'VE GOT A SPACE AND THE HOUSE HAS GOT 150 AMP CALCULATED LOAD ON IT AND A TWO, OR I'M, UH, I GET MY MATH, I'M GONNA DO EASIER MATH.
IT'S GOT 170 AMPS A LOAD ON IT AND A 200 AMP BREAKER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PROGRAM THAT CHA THAT CHARGER TO SAY THOU SHALT NOT PULL MORE THAN 20 AMPS, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CATEGORY TWO CHARGER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I I THINK WE MEET THE INTENT OF HAVING A SPACE JUST BY THE SOLAR RE THE SOLAR CAPABLE
BUT IF THAT DOESN'T GO INTO THE GARAGE, THEN YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
WELL, EVEN THIS WOULDN'T WHAT WE'VE GOT.
EVEN IT WRITTEN UP HERE, IT WOULDN'T, THAT'S, THAT'S, I I WOULD, IF IF I WERE PUTTING IT INTO A NEW BUILDING, I WOULD PUT IT OUTSIDE AT THAT PANEL.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE TIMES THESE, THESE MAIN PANELS ARE ATTACHED TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE.
OR YOU JUST RUN, YOU KNOW, A A A ONE INCH INCH AND A QUARTER CONDUIT, WHATEVER IT IS ON THE, ON THE WALL OF THE BUILDING AND POKE IT INTO THE GARAGE.
I MEAN I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS LANGUAGE FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
HAVING POWER OUTSIDE IS GREAT, BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BREAKER SPACE, YOU'RE FINE.
BUT THEN HOW DO YOU GET IT INTO THE GARAGE WHEN THE SERVICE IS ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE? I GUESS YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE ATTIC, BUT WHAT, WHAT OUR THOUGHT WAS IS MO YOU'RE PUTTING IN MOST OF YOUR INTERIOR PANELS IN THE GARAGE, CORRECT? YES.
IT'S TO JUST BE ABLE TO DROP A PIECE OF AROMAS, ADD THE PLUG, CALL IT A DATE.
BUT THEN THAT'S THE KILLER ON THAT OF IF I ONLY GOT A 60 AMP BREAKER GOING TO THAT PANEL TO BEGIN WITH, NOW I GOTTA MOVE THAT TO A HUNDRED AMP PANEL.
I PROBABLY HAVE TO JUMP FROM MAYBE A 60 AMP BUS IN THE PANEL TO A, ANOTHER PRIORITY A HUNDRED TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT YOU KNOW, AND YOU STILL UPSIZE THE SERVICE OUTSIDE.
WHAT ARE PEOPLE, WHAT ARE PEOPLE DOING TODAY WHEN THEY BUY AN EV CHARGE AT 110 VOLTS AND IT JUST TAKES LONGER TO CHURCH? YEAH, YOU GO TO SLEEP IN THE MORNING, IT'S CHARGE.
NO, I'M BEING, I'M, I DON'T HAVE ONE.
YOU GET ABOUT 30 MILES OF THE CHARGE OVERNIGHT.
JUST WORKED ON THE JAGUAR LANE ROVER AND THEY HAD TWO, FOUR FORTIES, TWO, TWO GOING.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE AT 30% OR YOU'RE AT 50%, IT'S GONNA HAVE AN HOUR HOURS RATIO THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
BUT LET'S SAY YOU COME HOME AT SEVEN O'CLOCK OR EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND YOU PLUG IT INTO ONE 10 IN THE MORNING, IT'LL BE CHARGED FULLY.
YOU ONLY GET ABOUT FOUR ON ONE 10.
DO YOU REMEMBER, IS IT ABOUT FOUR MILES PER HOUR AT ONE 10? AND I THINK THE CATEGORY TWO GETS YOU UP TO ABOUT 20, 20 MILES PER HOUR.
WHERE'S OUR, WHERE'S OUR A ONE 10? OUR ENERGY EXPERT
WHAT YOU KNEW EVERYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, MARK A ONE 10 IS, IS IS WAY I WAS INSTRUCTED WHEN WE WERE DOING THE JAGUAR LAND ROVER DEALERSHIP TO A FULLY DEPLETED CAR BATTERY SYSTEM WOULD TAKE SEVEN HOURS ON ONE 10 TO FULLY CHARGE IT WOULD TAKE TWO, UH, ONE HOUR AND A HALF TO DO A FOUR 40 AND ABOUT THREE HOURS FULLY DEPLETED TO DO A TWO 20.
BUT ONE 10 TAKE ABOUT SEVEN HOURS.
SO CAN WE REQUIRE A ONE 10 OUTLET IN EVERY GARAGE DEDICATED? IT'S ALREADY THERE.
ARE THEY DEDICATED THOUGH OR IS IT MORE OF A GENERAL PURPOSE? IT'S GENERAL PURPOSE.
YOU COULD SWITCH IT TO DEDICATED.
BUT WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT ONTO SOMEBODY IN AN AFFORDABLE HOME IF THEY'RE NEVER GONNA BUY AN EV? BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEY'D SAY THEY'RE GONNA BUY.
I I I ANOTHER ISSUE POLITICALLY.
YOU NEED A DEDICATED ONE FOR, FOR THE CHARGER.
WELL YOU'D THINK YOU DO IT FOR A REFRIGERATOR, YOU DO IT FOR A MICROWAVE, YOU DO IT FOR A GARBAGE DISPOSAL.
I MEAN THAT'S AT LEAST RELATIVELY EXPENSIVE.
DID YOU LIVE ONE DEDICATED ONE 10 PLUG FOR AN EV CHARGER IN THE HOUSES? IT'S PROBABLY WORTH, BUT IT'S THE ONE WE HAVE NOW IS NOT DEDICATED.
SO, SO JOE, WHAT, AS FAR AS JUST A DEDICATED ONE 10 THAT MAY BE A, A COMPROMISE FOR EV TO GET RID OF, TO GET RID OF THE EXTRA SPACE IN THE PANEL AND THE CAPACITY CHEAP, WOULDN'T IT? YES.
SO YOU MEAN DOES THAT WORK ONE A DEDICATED IN SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES WITH GARAGES, ANYTHING SINGLE FAMILY TOWNHOUSE, WHATEVER WITH A GARAGE, A DEDICATED ONE 10 CIRCUIT IN THE GARAGE FOR OR FUTURE EV FOR FOR USE AS AN EV CHARGER? MAYBE.
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I MEAN E EVERY, EVERYTHING WORKS.I MEAN, UH, YOU ALREADY HAVE PLUGS IN THE GARAGE RIGHT NOW AS IS AND I MEAN, BUT IF YOU WANNA DEDICATE THAT OR NOT.
YEAH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE CHARGER FOR THE EV IS LIKE A REFRIGERATOR THAT TAKES MORE JUICE.
IT IT TAKES LIKE IT, RIGHT? AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER STUFF PLUGGED IN AND THE GARAGE PLUG, MY EXPERIENCE IS BECAUSE THE GARAGE PLUGS A LOT OF TIMES ARE ON A G F I CIRCUIT, THEY'RE GOING ALL OVER THE HOUSE TO SERVICE IT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME G F I PLUG SO MY BACKYARD PLUG IS IN MY GARAGE WITH A THING.
SO I THINK IF WE JUST PUT A DEDICATED LIKE A REFRIGERATOR PLUG, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED FOR EV THAT'S NOT GONNA OVERLOAD THE PANEL, BUT IT'LL STILL MEET THE INTENT OF THIS CODE AS FAR AS SOMETHING DEDICATED FOR EV NOW THE HOMEOWNER MAY USE THAT OUTLET FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT IT IS A DEDICATED ONE 10 VOLT OUTLET AND, AND IS IN THE GARAGE IF IT'S UP AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT.
DOES IT HAVE TO BE G S I PROTECTED? THEY ALL HAVE TO BE.
YEAH, THEY ALL JASON VAN SPEAR.
SO JUST AGAIN, QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH, I DON'T THINK A ONE 10 IS GONNA REALLY HELP 'CAUSE JUST 48 MILES ON 12 HOURS WITH A DOMESTIC OUTLET.
YEAH, I I WAS JUST LOOKING THAT SAME THING.
BUT THE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE DISTANCE OF WHAT THE HOME, UH, AN HOMEOWNER WOULD TAKE FROM THE OFFICE AND BACK IS LESS THAN 48 MILES.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE MINIMUM.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR OVERALL.
NOW IF A HOMEOWNER WANTS TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE IT MORE, AND I, I HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT WANT THAT 'CAUSE THEY WANT THE 80% AS FAR AS WHAT THE MAXIMUM CHARGE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT IN AN HOUR AND A HALF OR LESS.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE MUCH DIFFERENT.
SO THESE ARE THE MINIMUM STANDARDS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO DO, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT, IT IS FOR 12 HOURS, WHICH WOULD BE OVERNIGHT, THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK AND BACK.
YEAH, I I GUESS I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN IF WE, IF WE PUT A DEDICATED ONE 10 IN THERE.
I JUST, GOSH, DOING A 40 AMP BREAKER AND THE SERVICE TO SUPPORT IT.
THAT COULD BE REAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY THE 40 AMP SERVICE, IT'S, IT'S A BIGGERS IT MAY BE NO BIGGER INSIDE, BUT TO RUN THAT COPPER WIRE FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERIOR PANEL AT A MUCH BIGGER THING TO SUPPORT SOMETHING MAY NOT BE USED EVER USED.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT COULD BE A THOUSAND BUCKS OR MORE.
AND IF YOU GET WITH LAN'S THEORY THAT IT'S 1 99 FOR A 200 AMP PANEL, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 300 AMP PANEL.
THIS IS JUST A BABY STEP, YOU KNOW, IT DOES.
WHICH WAS A FOR GRAND COST OF THE LAST ONE.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ADDING PROBABLY A HUNDRED DOLLARS TO THE, IT'S A PLUG RIGHT BELOW WHEREVER THE PANEL IS IN THE GARAGE THAT YOU CAN PLUG IN A CHARGER THAT WON'T TRIP THE CIRCUIT AND OR YOUR DEEP FREEZE.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS MORE, THEY CAN RUN, YOU KNOW, A ARX CABLE THROUGH THEIR ATTIC BACK DOWN INTO THE GARAGE FROM THE, OUT FROM THAT SOLAR SLOT OUTSIDE TO DO THAT.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU A LOT OF TIMES, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, THE SERVICE FOR THE HOUSE COULD BE ON THE GARAGE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO IF WE, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION.
SO IF WE COULD CHANGE THE VERBIAGE ON THIS CAPABLE SPACE WOULD BE ON SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS ALSO, UH, DUPLEXES AND PLEXES.
IS IT? NO, IT'S, IT'S IT'S SINGLE FAMILY.
IT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES WITH GARAGES.
I WOULD SAY WE DO JUST TOWN WITH MULTIFAMILY.
SEPARATE AND COMMERCIAL SEPARATE.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DEDICATED ONE 10 VOLT LABELED EV CAPABLE.
COULD WE ADD AMPERAGE TO THAT MOTION? WHAT? SORRY? CAN WE HAVE, UH, AMPERAGE ADDED TO THAT MOTION AS WELL? AMPERAGE? YEAH.
SO, SO THE WIDTH GARAGE, UH, COMMENT IS THAT FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ALSO, IF IT DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE? IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE, WE'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN BECAUSE CORRECT.
GARAGE ONLY PLUG OUT YOU WANT, YOU WANT
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THIS PLUG NOT TO BE FOR WHATEVER A G F I PLUG BECAUSE IF YOU PLUG THE CHARGER INTO THE G F I YOU MAY GET THE POWER THAT'S BEING SURGED.MAY WILL IT TRIP THE BREAKER? YES.
I, I WAS, I WAS JUST WANTING TO GET CLARITY.
IF, IF, IF I BUILD A HOUSE 1200 SQUARE FEET AND I DON'T HAVE A GARAGE, DO I HAVE TO PUT THE OUTLET IN OR NOT? NO, THAT'S, NO, IT WAS GARAGES ONLY APPLIES ACROSS.
THAT'S THE GARAGE APPLIES ACROSS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOMES WITH GARAGES.
THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT A DEDICATED, DEDICATED ONE 10 OUTLET.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN FOR A REFRIGERATOR? 1520 AMP.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR FROM, UH, BRIAN SMITH AND A SECOND BY MARK ROSS FOR MODIFICATION TO THE LANGUAGES IT'S PREVIOUSLY STATED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAY AYE.
NO, WE I DID WANT THE CLARIFICATION, BUT YOU WENT PRETTY QUICK.
SO THE LANGUAGE CURRENTLY SAYS DESIGNATED PARKING SPACE AND SO THAT WOULD MEAN IF I HAVE A DRIVEWAY, NO GARAGE.
THAT'S WHY WE DEFUNDED THE GARAGE IN, IN THE, IN THE MOTION STATED THAT THEY'RE GONNA WORK ON THE, THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE AFTER SO LONG.
THIS IS WHAT WAS YOUR VOTE? AYE AYE.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, IF I HAVE A GARAGE, THEN I NEED THE DEDICATED 110 20 AMP, UH, PLUG IN THE GARAGE.
AGAIN, I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO BECAUSE YOU SAID SINGLE FAMILY EVERY AND DO SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, SO NO, NOT MULTIFAMILY.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA DO MULTIFAMILY NEXT.
OH NO, IT'S ALL NO, WE'RE GONNA DO MULTIFAMILY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES AND TOWNHOUSES WITH A GARAGE.
EACH GARAGE HAS TO HAVE ONE ONE REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES IN THAT GARAGE.
SO IF I HAVE A THREE CAR GARAGE, IT'S 1 1 1.
DOES THAT DEFINE, BUT IF I'M A TOWNHOME WITH FOUR GARAGES, EACH TOWNHOME GARAGE GETS AN OUTLETS OF FOUR.
FOR DUPLEXES THAT HAVE TWO GARAGES, THEY WOULD'VE TO HAVE ONE IN EACH ONE.
FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL, I THINK THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN HERE IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WHERE, WHERE THE, WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED? IT HAS TO BE CAPABLE.
THE MAIN ELECTRIC SERVICE PANELS SHALL HAVE THE CAPACITY AND SUPPORT FOR 40 AMP.
SO YEAH, BECAUSE IF IF, IF YOU DON'T, IN, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT COULD COST YOU A MILLION BUCKS TO GET THE, THE POWER BACK.
AND, AND THIS IS EITHER ALREADY BREAKS OKAY.
AND SERVICE THAT IS CAPABLE OF MEETING THE, AND I WOULD NOT PUT SPACE, I WOULD JUST SAY IF YOU GO BACK TO THE DEFINITION, IT HAS TO BE THE SERVICE PANEL SHALL HAVE THE CAPACITY AND THE SPACE TO SUPPORT THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
AND SOMEBODY ELSE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT PARKING SPACES IS THE STANDARD LANGUAGE OF THE BUILDING CODE.
RATHER THAN HAVING A LISTING THE BREAKER SIZE OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THEY MAY DECIDE TO PUT IN ANOTHER SERVICE JUST TO SERVICE THE DEAL.
ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS HAVE ENOUGH ELECTRICAL SERVICE ELECT, THE, THE MAIN ELECTRICAL SERVICE PANEL SHALL HAVE THE CAPACITY AND SPACE TO SUPPORT THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF EV PARKING SPACES.
SO I'M GONNA SPIN THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WAS GONNA SAY MINIMUM 40 AMP BECAUSE THERE IS A, A, A HIGHER SPEED CHARGER THAN A CLA A CATEGORY TWO, WHICH IS THE DC FAST CHARGING.
AND SO BY SAYING IF WE WERE TO SAY MINIMUM, THEN THAT
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GUARANTEES US 3% OF THE PARKING SPACES WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A CATEGORY TWO CHARGER.AND IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S GIVING LIKE YOURSELF, YOU COULD PUT A TESLA SUPERCHARGER IN THERE TOO.
BUT FROM WHAT I, SOMEBODY MADE A PRESENTATION TO ME THAT SAID I CAN RUN TWO CHARGING STATIONS OFF OF ONE 40 AMP BREAKER.
AND SO I WOULD JUST LIKE IT A LITTLE MORE VAGUE THAN THAT.
AND IF YOU WANNA ADDRESS WHAT KIND, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CATEGORY TWO IS WHAT MOST OF THE STUFF THAT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOTS ARE, THEN JUST SAY ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, EV YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY CAPACITY AND SPACE TO SUPPORT CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, TO CHARGING FOR THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF SPACES.
BECAUSE AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY THAT'S A GARDEN STYLE MAY CHOOSE TO LOCATE THOSE ALL OVER THE PROPERTY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DESIGNATE THE SPACE, BUT THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH EXTRA CAPACITY AT ALL THEIR HOUSE METERS TO SERVICE IT IN A HIGH RISE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THAT HAS ONE OF THESE GARAGES.
THEY MAY CHOOSE TO LOCATE IT ALL TOGETHER, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE POWER TO THAT THING.
THEY DON'T NEED TO RUN CABLES, THEY DON'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL, THAT'S THE DEFINITION WOULD BE THE SAME.
SO MARK, WHERE ARE YOU PROPOSING TO HAVE THIS LANGUAGE THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED IN THIS DOCUMENT, IT WOULD BE ELECTRIC VEHICLE IN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CAPABLE SPACES AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND ONE FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL.
AND THE ONE FOR MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIALS TO SAY THE MAIN ELECTRIC SERVICE PANEL SHALL HAVE THE CAPACITY AND SPACE TO SUPPORT THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF EV PARKING SPACE TYPE TWO EV PARKING SPACES.
I I LISTENED TO THE RECORDING
AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL WORD YOUR WORDSMITH THE RIGHT LANGUAGE TOO, PLEASE.
SO THE, WHEN THEY'RE DESIGNING IT, IT'LL HAVE ALL THE CAPACITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS CORRECT.
SO AT THAT POINT, ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS RUN THE PIPE.
SOME PEOPLE MAY CHOOSE TO RUN THE PIPE WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION, SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT.
YEAH, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO BASED OFF THE DEFINITIONS WE HAVE EARLIER, YOU'RE SPECIFYING COMMERCIAL MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY LARGER THAN THREE STORIES, BUT YOU REALLY WANT ALL MULTIFAMILY BEYOND TWO STORIES.
SO, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, BEYOND A TWO THAT WE ALREADY TOOK CARE OF, WE TOOK CARE OF SINGLE SWELLING.
AND THEN I WANT, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NUMBER REQUIRED.
SO, BUT WHY DON'T YOU DO THE MOTION FIRST THAT'S ON THE FLOOR AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK THERE.
WHO IS IT? OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FROM MARK AND A SECOND BY BRIAN SMITH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE'RE GOING TO LET JERE, JEREMY AND AMID TO GET THE LANGUAGE ALL CORRECTED BEFORE IT COMES TO THE BIG BOARD.
AND THEN ON OUR 4 0 4 0.2, I WANT, IT'S 3% OF THE SPACES AND NOT LESS THAN ONE PARKING SPACE.
BECAUSE TECHNICALLY ANYTHING THAT IS THREE UNITS OR MORE IS MULTIFAMILY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE FIVEPLEX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THE SPACES HAVING TO BE THAT.
AND, AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN OVER TIME IS, IS THE DEMAND FOR THEM RISES.
BUT I, I'VE TALKED TO ONE OF THE PREMIER AMIN AND I, AND MIKE MET WITH, UH, SOMEONE FROM EMBRY DEVELOPMENT WHO WAS DEVELOPED ONE OF THE TOP 50 BUILDERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY OF MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS.
AND EVEN IN THEIR MOST, UH, EVIE POPULAR MARKETS LIKE DENVER AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A 400 UNIT THING, THEY'RE PUTTING IN FOUR OR FIVE SPACES.
AT THE AIRPORT, WHICH THIS WOULD NOW, UH, I, YOU KNOW, AT PLACES LIKE THE AIRPORT, THEY GOT 10 EVS, 10 OR 15 EV SPACES FOR A THOUSAND PARKING SPACES.
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YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ALSO GOING TO ADDRESS CHARGING STATIONS AT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? ARE WE JUST LEAVING THEM? I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK IT'S A LOT EASIER TO PUT ONE SPACE, ONE 40 AMP, TWO 20 IN A COMMERCIAL PANEL.'CAUSE MOST OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE AT LEAST 2 0 8 3 PHASE MOST OF THE TIME, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK HAVING THAT SPARE CAPACITY, THERE'S A LOT EASIER, A LOT, LOT LESS INTRUSIVE.
UM, OR IS THAT I DID, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN YOU, TO YOUR ONE, DID YOU SAY 1% OR ONE SPACE OR BOTH? NO, 3% OR ONE'S, BUT NOT LESS THAN ONE SPACE.
BUT WHERE I WAS GONNA ASK THAT IS MAYBE A CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF IS THAT'S THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT A FIVE PLEX, A FIVE PLEX, A FIVE PLEX, A FIVE PLEX, A FIVE PLEX IS LONG AS THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME PROPERTY.
IT'S ONE, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE PER LOT.
NO, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY PER LOT.
PER, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BUILDING A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT THAT HAS 20 BUILDINGS AND EACH BUILDING HAS 20 UNITS, SO THAT'S 400 UNITS YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN, WELL IT, IT'S 400 WOULD BE 600 PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE 18 EV SPACES.
BUT THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO SHOW THE CITY THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY IN THE, IN THE MAIN PANELS TO DELIVER 18 PARKING SPACES.
YOU MAY PUT 'EM IN THREE PER BUILDING OR TWO PER BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T INTERPRETING THAT OR NOBODY WAS GETTING THE IDEA THAT IN THAT EVENT WHERE WE HAVE ALL THESE BUILDINGS AROUND, IT'S NOT PER BUILDING WHERE YOU HAVE A FIVE PLEX THAT HAS PER COMPLEX EIGHT, EIGHT PARKING SPACES AND NOW ONE OF THOSE MUST.
SO I JUST, IT'S REALLY, IT'S PER PRO.
YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT A, IF YOU HAD BUILDINGS THAT HAVE FIVE UNITS AND THERE'S 30 UNITS ON THE, ON THE PLATTED LOT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 45 PARKING SPACES AND 3%.
SO YOU WOULD END UP HAVING TWO EV DEAL FOR THE WHOLE THING, NOT ONE PER BUILDING.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT PAGE TO ONE.
YEAH, THAT I MOVED THAT, BUT ROBERT DIDN'T MAKE THE FORMAL.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR MARK ROSS AND A SECOND FROM BRIAN SMITH TO CHANGE THE, UH, R 4 0 4 0.2 IN THE TABLE TO NOT LESS THAN ONE DO, I'M SORRY.
DO WE NEED TO EVEN PUT ONE AT THAT POINT OR JUST 3% AND WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, YOU ROUND UP.
SO IF I GET 0.1 YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
ALWAYS ROUND UP AT LEAST 3% OF THE SPACES AND GET RID OF THE REST.
WE'RE, WE'RE CHANGING THAT, THAT MOTION TO JUST SAY AT LEAST 3% OF THE SPACES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ARE WE GONNA DEAL WITH COMMERCIAL OR IS COMMERCIAL? YEAH.
COMMERCIAL BEING OTHER THAN MULTI-FAMILY.
SO I HAD THE SAME THING ON COMMERCIAL.
I JUST DIDN'T CHANGE THE, THE BUILDING HERE, BASICALLY, IT'S NOT MULTI-FAMILY, IT'S REALLY JUST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS WITH PARKING SPACES.
AND WE HAD THE SAME THING, 3%.
UM, AGAIN, IF, IF THAT'S THE, IF THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN JUST DO THE SAME THING.
AND, AND, OR, OR AMIN, YOU CAN JUST PUT MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL IN THAT OTHER TABLE AND WE CAN GET RID OF THE REST OF THE SECTION.
THIS WHOLE SECTION, CORRECT? YEAH.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MODIFY THESE DOCUMENTS.
REMOVED, UH, BASICALLY MOST OF THE THINGS I'M JUST, UH, PUT, PUT IT TOGETHER AS, AS APPROVED BY YOU.
WHAT WAS THE MOTION, MR. ROSS? THAT WE MODIFY THE COMMERCIAL TO BE AT LEAST 3% OF THE SPACES.
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
WE WARM? I THINK THAT WAS COOL.
YOU DONE WARM UP THE THING ON SYSTEM.
IT WAS GREAT BECAUSE WE JUST REMOVED THE THING AROUND.
SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING WE
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HAVE, UH, STAFF TO PRESENT TO THIS COMMITTEE IN REGARDS TO THE ENERGY CODE.UNLESS THE COMMITTEE HAS ANY OTHER REASON.
I THINK THAT'LL CONCLUDE ALL THE MEETINGS FOR THIS COMMITTEE SINCE CHAIRMAN RUSS IS PROBABLY WATCHING US ON TV FROM HIS VACATION.
WE MIGHT WISH HIM WELL, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT SINCE RUST WE'RE ONSCREEN.
JEREMY, UH, MOSTLY THE EXACT SAME INFORMATION WE PROVIDED.
SO I, WE HAVE THIS UP HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT IN MY CASE, SOMEBODY'S WATCHING IT.
UH, SO THAT IS WHERE THEY CAN FIND ALL THE RESOURCES FOR ALL THE CODE ADOPTION ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, UH, WHERE THEY CAN FIND THE RECORDINGS OF THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF FINISHING UP THE LIVE AND HOW THEY CAN REACH OUT TO STAFF.
SO THIS CONCLUDES ALL COMMITTEE MEETINGS FOR THE I CODES, ALL SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, ALL UH, COMMITTEES.
EXCEPT THERE IS, EXCEPT SIGNAGE, EXCEPT WELL SIGNS NOT THE I CODES.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE WAITING UP, WE'RE NOT GONNA HOLD THE I CODES UP FOR THE SIGN SIGN'S GONNA GO FOR A FEW MORE, AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH,
SO, SO THEREFORE SIGN'S GONNA BE GOING UNTIL 2024.
SO THERE IS THE INTERIM CHAIR.