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ALRIGHT, UH, IT IS, UH, 1:12 PM WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE IS ROLL CALL.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
WE'RE STARTING OFF THE BUILDING CODES PILLS AND ADVISORY BOARD COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE, UH, TODAY.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT, SO TO SEE IF WE HAVE QUORUM.
WE'LL START OFF WITH A ROLL CALL.
HERE JACK UP MORE? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, FOUR PRIMARY AND ONE ALTERNATE PRESENT THAT GIVES US QUORUM FOR THE COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE OUR QUICK INTERPRETATION ANNOUNCEMENT.
UH, AT THIS TIME, ANYBODY WITH OPEN PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO I ITEM NUMBER ONE.
SO, UM, WE DIDN'T, UH, HAVE A CHANCE TO GET MINUTES OUT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TABLE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 19TH MEETING AND JUST MAKE A NOTE TO COME BACK TO THOSE, UH, NEXT TIME THE BOARD MEETS.
YEAH, WE COULD EITHER DO IT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE.
IF NOT, THEN WE'LL BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD AND HAVE IT APPROVED AT THAT TIME, ALONG WITH THE MEETINGS OF TODAY'S MEETING.
AND JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY, ANYTIME THAT YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF PUBLIC SPEAKING TIME IS NOT OVER.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, JUST COME UP AND SAY IT, PLEASE.
UH, THIS IS THE ITEM THAT WE HAVE JUST IN CASE WE EVER NEEDED ANYBODY.
ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE GOOD WITH QUORUM AND EVERYBODY'S PRESENT.
SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD, UH, FROM A AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO INTO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
AND THIS IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE REVIEW OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND PROPOSED CHANGES TO CURRENT AMENDMENTS.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF ROSSO WITH SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, CHIEF, BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
SO LOOKING AT THE LIST, IT DOES SEEM TO INCORPORATE EVERYTHING THAT WE TABLED LAST TIME, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WE DON'T, SO WE WON'T HAVE TO REFER BACK TO OUR OLD, OUR OLD PAPERS.
UH, EVERYBODY HAVE A COPY OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED? OKAY.
SO WE'LL START OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE RELATES TO, UH, SIZE OF SPRAY BOOTHS.
AND THAT'S, UH, INITIALLY THE PROPOSED, WE WERE PROPOSING A NEW AMENDMENT TO BE LISTED UNDER SECTION, UH, 24 0 4.
BUT, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE WAS TO, UH, RE REPOSITION THAT UNDER SECTION 1 0 5 0.5 0.47.
SO THE NEW AMENDMENT IS TO, UM, READS, ALL SPRAY BOOTHS REQUIRE AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT AND APPROVAL BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL TO INCLUDE PERMANENT, TEMPORARY AND MOBILE.
AND DID, DID WE NOT ALSO LEAVE A PART OF THAT INTO 24 4 OR DID DID AND WE WERE GONNA ADD IT ALSO TO 1 0 5 OR DID YOU ALL DECIDE AFTER LOOKING AT IT TO JUST LEAVE IT IN 1 0 5 AND NOT AND NOT PUT IT IN THE MEAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT WAY, UM, PERSONS THAT, UH, HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER AN OPERATIONAL PERMIT IS REQUIRED CAN REFER THEN TO THE SECTION THAT APPLIES JUST THE ONE PLACE? YES.
SO, UH, JUST, HEY JACK, UM, IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT IN THE COMMITTEE? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECTED TO SEE COMING BACK TODAY.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS SECTION 3 0 8 0.4 0.2.
UH, THIS IS TO ADD AN EXCEPTION TO THE EXISTING AMENDMENT.
THE TITLE IS FIRE HAZARD PROHIBITED, WHICH WOULD, UM, ADD EXEMPTION THREE, EXCEPTION THREE TO INCLUDE ONE AND TWO FAMILY, FAMILY DWELLING RESTRICTIONS WITHIN FIVE FEET OF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO THIS IS FOUND ON AMENDMENT PAGE 27 AND 28.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE ZERO LOT LINE ISSUE.
AND WHAT THIS, THE INTENT OF THIS AMENDMENT IS TO KIND OF THREAD THE NEEDLE BETWEEN,
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UM, BASICALLY TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC INSTANCE AND FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PROPERTY, A DIRECTLY ABUTS SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY JUST AS A REMINDER TO EVERYBODY ELSE.SO, UM, THIS SEEMS TO, TO FIT THE BILL.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO HEAR COMMENTARY FROM OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS AND MARK.
SO, BUT THEY, UNDER THIS, THEY COULD PUT IT UP AGAINST THEIR OWN HOUSE AND WERE A BEDDING.
WOULD A BEDDING OR ADJACENT OR ADJACENT OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE REFERS TO THE HOUSE THAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOT THEIR PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND INITIALLY, UH, DURING MEETING NUMBER TWO, THIS WAS PRESENTED, UM, AS A, THE OTHER OPTION WE WERE LOOKING AT, IT WAS UNDER SECTION 3 0 8, 1 0.4, AND THAT WAS STRIKING ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS FROM THAT SECTION.
SO WE OPTED TO MOVE THAT TO, TO ADDRESS IT IN SECTION 3 0 8, 0.4 0.2 AS, UH, VIEWED ON THE SCREEN.
CHIEF, CAN I MAKE ONE SUGGESTION THAT WE DELETE OUT THE WORDS, CAN WE GO BACK UP, DELETE OUT THE WORDS OR PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S FIVE FEET OF AN ADJACENT OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE BECAUSE, OR PROPERTY, IF IT'S A VACANT LOT NEXT TO YOU, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE SPACE BETWEEN SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE.
WE, UM, INCLUDED PROPERTY JUST IN CASE THERE WAS A BRUSH PILE OR SOMETHING THAT WAS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WOULD ADDRESS A POSSIBLE FIRE HAZARD.
YEAH, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
MARK, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR COMMENT IS, BUT AT SOME FUTURE POINT AND SOMEBODY BUILDS THERE, AND THEN DOES THE FIRST BUILDER GET GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE HE WAS ALREADY EXISTING WHAT, UH, YOU USED TO SHAKE YOUR HEAD, BUT THE CITY HAS TO INTERPRET THAT.
SO I, I MYSELF THINK THAT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS FINE.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT OF BEING A VACANT LOT NOW, BECAUSE SOMETIME IT'LL BE DEVELOPED AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE, UH, UH, EXISTING HOMEOWNER A GRANDFATHER PROVISION BECAUSE THEY, THEY WERE THERE FIRST.
I MEAN, THE WORD, UH, NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE TO ME COVERS PRETTY ALL ENCOMPASSING.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE THE WORD PROPERTY, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MOVE IT AFTER ADJACENT, SO IT'S WITHIN FIVE FEET OF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, I JUST THINK IT MAKES IT HARD 10 YEARS FROM NOW TO SOMEBODY FIGURE RE MEMBER WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE, SO MY SUGGESTION IS TO MOVE THE WORD PROPERTY AFTER ADJACENT.
SO IT'S FIVE FEET OF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE, CREATING A FIRE HAZARD OR ENDANGERING LIFE OF PROPERTY OF BEING PERSON.
MARK, CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN THE MIC THERE? SO THIS IS MARK.
I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND WE MOVE THE WORD PROPERTY AFTER ADJACENT AND GET RID OF THE WORD OR CLARIFICATION.
WHAT DID YOU WANT TO DELETE? I UNDERSTOOD YOU WANTED TO MOVE PROPERTY NEAR ADJACENT.
WORD OR SO IT'LL READ FIVE FEET OF ADJACENT PROPERTY OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURE, CREATING A FIRE HAZARD.
HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, ANDRE GARABEDIAN, PRIVATE CITIZEN.
UM, JUST, JUST A QUESTION ON THE LOCATION HERE.
3 0 8 0.4, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARGING LANGUAGE AHEAD OF IT, IT TALKS ABOUT OPEN FLAME, FIRE AND BURNING.
AND USUALLY THE CODE IS PRETTY SPECIFIC WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COOKING.
SO THE, THE BASE LANGUAGE IN THE I F C, WHICH IS NOT ON THE SCREEN.
UM, OH, I SEE THAT YOU'VE ADDED THAT TOO.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE, THE NEXT QUESTION IS IF YOU LOOK AT 3 0 8 4 1, THE EXAMPLES ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC CANDLES, INCENSE, AND SIMILAR OPEN FLAMES.
DO WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES FOR 3 0 8 4 2? UH, UH, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, ANDRE, UH, I THINK AT THE LAST TIME THAT THIS COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE MET A GENTLEMAN, SUBMITTED SOME PHOTOS AND YOU NOT ONLY HAD GRILLS, BUT YOU ALSO HAD THOSE, UH, PROPANE HEATERS THAT YOU SEE AT OUTDOOR RESTAURANTS AND SOMETIMES, AND SO
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I THINK THAT'S INCLUDED WHEN IT SAYS ANY INCINERATOR, BARBECUE PIT GRILL OR FUEL FIRED LANTERNS.AND I WOULD SAY IF AFTER THAT IT SAYS HEATERS.
A FUEL FIRED HEATER SHOULD BE COVER IT 3 0 8 0.4.
THE LANGUAGE BEFORE THIS ONLY TALKS ABOUT OPEN FLAME, FIRE AND BURNING.
I THINK THE, MAYBE THE 'CAUSE 3 0 8 4 REFERENCES BACK TO 3 0 8 1 THROUGH, UH, OR IN, UH, 3 0 8 4 1 AND I THINK 3 0 8 4 1 IS REALLY THE RELEVANT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS 3 0 8 4, OR I'M SORRY, 3 0 8 1 4.
UM, SO IS IT IN THE RIGHT PLACE? 'CAUSE IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY, THIS WAS ALL ABOUT AMENDING 3 0 8 1 4.
UM, BUT I CONSULTED WITH, UH, CHIEF MONER AND WE ARE PROPOSING THIS AMENDMENT BE PLACED UNDER 3 0 8 0.4 0.2.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT DIRECTLY RELATES TO A FIRE AND OR LIFE SAFETY HAZARD.
CHAIRMAN, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, SINCE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THIS, UH, I'M GONNA DEFER AND LET THEM DECIDE WHERE THAT NEEDS TO GO IN THE CODE, THE LANGUAGE.
IF WE AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE WHERE IT GOES IN THE CODE, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO THEM SINCE I HAVE TO ENFORCE IT.
I COULD CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ORIGINALLY IT WAS GONNA BE THERE, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED, 3 0 8 0.1 0.4, UH, THAT SCRATCH THROUGH ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS IS GOING TO REMAIN.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY STAYING IN, SO ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE EXEMPT FROM THAT, THAT TOP SECTION.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, 3 0 8 4 2, THAT GENERAL FIRE HAZARD THAT'S BEEN IN THE CODE PROBABLY AT AT LEAST 20 YEARS OR SO.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, IF YOU LOOK, THE 10 FEET IS THE SAME ON BOTH OF THEM.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE REALLY MODIFIED IS JUST THAT FIVE FOOT, UH, SECTION, UH, FIVE FOOT ADJACENT, IF IT'S ADJACENT TO ANY KIND OF FIRE HAZARD THAT'S ADJACENT TO, UM, SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
SO THAT WAS, IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC.
SO THE WAY THE, UH, 3 0 8 1 4 READS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH OTHER TYPE OF OCCUPANCIES.
AND SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT FIRE HAZARD IN, IN, UH, IT, IT'S A MORE GENERAL, UH, GENERAL RESTRICTION, BUT IT NEVER COVERED ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLING.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS BEST TO PLACE IT IN 3 0 8 4 2 AND MODIFY THAT DIVISION ONE AND TWO INSTEAD OF R ONE AND R TWO.
IT'S ALL GROUP R'S, BUT THEN WE MAKE THE EXCEPTION FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO IT'S 10 FEET FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IF YOU'RE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT'S FIVE FEET, YOU CAN, IF YOU WANNA PUT IT UP RIGHT AGAINST YOUR HOUSE, THAT'S FINE.
YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T CREATE A FIRE HAZARD TOWARDS SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THAT DOES MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT REFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO, SO YEAH.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME OF THE, THE NICETIES OF LOCATION OUT, I, I THINK WE SHOULD STILL ADDRESS, IS THIS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? IS THERE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS? I, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE ARE, BUT IT'S A QUESTION WE SHOULD ASK OURSELVES.
ANDRE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO, YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
'CAUSE IN THE CODE THERE'S A SECTION, AND IF I WEREN'T IN THE ROOM, I WOULDN'T KNOW THIS, UH, DISCUSSION.
BUT 1 0 2 10 SAYS, WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN A GENERAL REQUIREMENT AND A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT, THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT SHALL BE APPLICABLE.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT COOKING APPLIANCES AND YOU HAVE A SECTION THAT TALKS ABOUT GENERAL FIRE HAZARDS, IT COULD BE CONSTRUED THAT THE COOKING CHAPTER OR SECTION WOULD GOVERN.
AND THAT EXCEPTION DOESN'T EXIST OVER THERE.
THIS IS CHIEF MONER AGAIN IN, UH, 3 0 8 1 4.
THAT EXCEPTION IS NOT BEING STRUCK THROUGH.
SO ONE IN TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE EXEMPT FROM 3 0 8 1 4.
IT'S INCORRECT ON THE SCREEN UP THERE.
SO, SO WE'RE LEAVING THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF 3 0 8 1 4 AS IT'S BEEN IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS.
SO THAT ACTUALLY IS INCORRECT.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE STRUCK THROUGH.
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SO THEN I GUESS OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A CONFLICT.SO THEN THE, THE OUTSTANDING THING IS THERE WAS A SUGGESTION ABOUT CHANGING THE LANGUAGE.
DO WE HAVE AN APPETITE FOR THAT OR WE, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, MARK, WITH MY APOLOGIES.
I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE MOVING THE ROUND OF THE WORDS A LITTLE BIT, IT ACCOMPLISHES.
I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE SAME THING HAS ACCOMPLISHED.
I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY GO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING THIS DONE, WE COULD PROBABLY MOVE ON WITH IT AS WRITTEN.
ARE YOU, UH, COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? SURE.
I MEAN, I JUST FOUND IT TO BE CONFUSING BECAUSE, OR PROPERTY COULD MEAN YOUR OWN PROPERTY BECAUSE ADJACENT DOESN'T MODIFY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE GRAMMAR IS IN THE CODE.
IT'S, IT SAYS NEIGHBORING, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IT'S THAT THE WAY, THE WAY THE OARS ARE PUT IN IT'S ADJACENT NOTHING ADJACENT OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES AND THEN A NEW CATEGORY PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT STAND UP LEGALLY, IT WOULD BE ADJACENT PROPERTY OR NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES.
AND GENERALLY, UM, IN CODE ITEMS, GRAMMATICAL CHANGES THAT DON'T CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE ARE DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE BOARD OR ANY COMMITTEE.
SO WE CAN JUST, I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND ALLOW YOU TO CHANGE THE GRAMMAR AFTER TALKING WITH THE LAWYERS IF YOU NEED TO.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE APPROVED THIS AND MOVE AND JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
I DON'T NEED A SEPARATE MOTION.
I WILL WANNA TAKE A BREAK AND JUST SAY, SIR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COMMITTEE, TO THE BOARD.
I THINK IT'S A NICE EXAMPLE OF CITIZENS BEING ENGAGED IN, UM, THINGS LIKE THIS THAT YOU DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN.
SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING THAT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UH, CHAIR REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT JACK UP MOORE IS HERE.
UH, JUST SO ON THE RECORD, WE DO HAVE JACK UP MOORE AS PRESENT FOR THE COMMITTEE.
ITEM NUMBER THREE IS FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL ACCESS, UH, PROPOSING A NEW AMENDMENT UNDER SECTION 5 0 3 0.1 0.4.
AND THE NEW AMENDMENT WILL READ ADS APPROVED ROUTE FOR FIREFIGHTER USE FOR ORAL, FOR ALL EXTERIOR SIDES OF A BUILDING.
IS THIS NEW LANGUAGE YOU'RE PROPOSING OR SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE CODE? WE ARE CONFIRMING IF THIS IS FROM A CI DOCUMENT OR NOT.
CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS? IN THE, IN THE REAL WORLD? YES, THAT MEANS THAT THERE'LL BE A FIVE FOOT CLEARANCE, UM, TO ALLOW FIREFIGHTERS TO ACCESS A BUILDING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EXTERIOR.
I'M JUST THINKING THROUGH WHAT THE REAL WORLD APPLICATION OF THAT.
SO A STAIRWAY COMING DOWN HAS TO BE FI AND I'M NOT DISPUTING IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS MEANS, UM, FOR BUILDING OWNERS.
AND I GUESS I, IT'S NOT RETROACTIVE, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO MOST OF THE STUFF THAT I'M THINKING OF THAT'S BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, BUT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT HAS ANY, IT'S KINDA LIKE A LITTLE FIVE FOOT HALO AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
WE, UH, ALSO HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THIS IS COMING OFF OF A CI 2006 DASH 0 0 9 AND UM, IT IS TO CLARIFY WHETHER FIRE APPARATUS AND OR FIREFIGHTER PERSONNEL ACCESS IS REQUIRED AT EXTERIOR WALLS OR PORTIONS OF AN EXTERIOR WALL THAT ARE FIVE FEET OR LESS FROM A PROPERTY LINE OR WITHIN FIVE FEET FROM AN ADJACENT BUILDING ON THE SAME LOT.
SO IF THEY HAD A DECK, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOWED, RIGHT, A DECK WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A STRUCTURE, COULD THEY PUT A DECK IN THEIR FIVE FOOT SETBACK? YES, SIR.
THE WAY IT READS THAT IS CORRECT.
JACK UP MORE OR A FENCE FOR THAT MATTER.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A FENCE COMING OFF OF THESE GARDEN HOMES THAT A BUTTS TO A WALL.
HOW YOU GET THROUGH THAT FENCE, TEAR IT DOWN, RIGHT? I
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MEAN, BUT IT'S THERE.THERE'S FENCES ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
THIS IS CODIFYING AN INTERPRETATION THAT WE'VE USED MANY YEARS.
AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE ASKED WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN? YOU HAVE TO PRO, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? AND SO THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM IS WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT CLEARANCE TO BE ABLE TO ADVANCE HOSE LINES OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ZERO LOT LINE TYPE, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER TYPE OF THING.
UM, BUT UH, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE ACCESS AND WE'RE JUST DEFINING IT AND WE GET ASKED ALL THE TIME.
AND SO THIS IS JUST CODIFYING SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EXPLAINING ALL THE TIME DURING PLAN REVIEW.
SO DOES ACCESS REQUIRE THEM TO PUT A GATE IN? UH, MOST OFTEN.
SO CAN WE JUST PUT THAT IN THIS SECTION SO THAT WHEN YOU APPROVE THE PLAN FOR THE FENCE, SOMEBODY HAS A GATE ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? WELL, WE NEED THE ACCESS.
SO I I I WOULDN'T REALLY WANNA YOU DON'T NEED GETTING BOTH SIDES.
NO, AS LONG AS YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY AROUND, WE AS, AS LONG AS A HOSE LAY MEETS EITHER DIRECTION, UM, PER THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU'RE FINE.
SO JUST BECAUSE YOU BLOCK ONE SIDE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T ADVANCE THE HOSE LINE FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND STILL MEET THE, UH, THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT.
CHIEF, THIS IS WILLIAM BURRIS.
UM, SO THE BUILDING CODE PERMITS, UH, BASED ON FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCE WALLS TO BE RIGHT ON A PROPERTY LINE AND, AND DOWNTOWN ALONG THE RIVER WALK WE HAVE BUILDINGS ABUTTING EACH OTHER, UM, ON EITHER SIDE OF A PROPERTY.
IS THIS NOW PROHIBITING THAT? NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED SATISFACTORY.
LOOK TO BE TURNED AND YOU'RE GOOD.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
DOES THIS BEGIN THE, UH, SERIES OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TABLED? THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS? YES, SIR.
THAT IS, UH, THESE, ALL ITEMS THREE THROUGH 10 ARE ALL, UM, RELATED TO EMERGENCY RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE SYSTEMS. SO IT'S EASIEST TO JUST ADDRESS 'EM ALL AT ONCE PROBABLY.
PROBABLY SO, YEAH, SO THERE'S UM, SOME NEW LANGUAGE IN, UH, SECTION FIVE 10 AND FIRST OF THOSE ITEMS IS, UM, EMERGENCY RADIO COMMUNICATION COVERAGE IN NEW BUILDINGS, WHICH IS LISTED UNDER SECTION FIVE, 10.1 ON PAGE 53 OF THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
AND RECOMMENDATION IS TO UPDATE THE AMENDMENT, UM, AND STATE WHERE I SYSTEMS WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO IN LAYMAN'S TERM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO TO COMPLY WITH THIS? THE, UH, BUILDING PLANS WILL BE SUBMITTED TO D S D D S D PLAN REVIEW TEAM WILL REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS AND IF FOUND THAT, THAT THEY MEET THE CRITERIA THAT REQUIRES AN IRC SYSTEM, THEY WILL NOTIFY THE CUSTOMER.
CUSTOMER WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SITE SURVEY FOR FURTHER REVIEW AND COORDINATE WITH I T S D DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AS WELL AS SAN ANTONIO FIRE.
SO I'M, I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH, WITH, WITH THIS THE POLICE AND FIRE, I'M ASSUMING AND HOPING THAT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE RADIO SYSTEMS THAT YOU ALL USE? YES.
WE SHARE THE RADIO SYSTEM AS WELL AS WITH THE COUNTY.
SO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS WHERE MY CONCERN COMES IN BECAUSE THAT IS A, SEEMS LIKE A, PROBABLY A SEPARATE BUREAUCRACY.
IS THAT A, IS THAT A BRIDGE TOO FAR FOR THIS KIND OF THING OR IS THAT ALREADY KIND OF STANDARD IN, IN ALL THE SYSTEMS? NO, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, IN THE CURRENT CODE, UM, AS PART OF THE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE AND THEY ARE INCLUDED BECAUSE OF, UH, DEMOLITION OR, UM, THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES RELATED TO DEMOLITION EFFORTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO WHAT DO THEY PUT INTO THE BUILDING TO COM? YOU EXPLAINED THE PROCESS REAL GOOD, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT DO THEY JUST PUT LIKE REPEATERS UP SOME IN THE BUILDING SO THAT
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IT IT IS, UH, DEPENDENT ON THE BUILDING, BUT MOST LIKELY THEY WILL REQUIRE B D A REPEATERS AS WELL AS A, UH, TIE IT INTO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.SO THAT'LL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COVERAGE WHERE COVERAGE IS LACKING.
AND THE SITE SURVEY, UH, DETERMINES THE NEED FOR THE SYSTEM TO BE IN PLACE.
SO IF, IF Y'ALL'S RADIOS WORK IN A HIGH RISE, IF YOUR RADIO WORKS EVERYWHERE IN THE BUILDING, THEY WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING.
ONLY IN THOSE CASES WHERE THE RADIO SYSTEM OR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WOULD NOT WORK IS WHEN THEY HAVE TO PUT THIS, THAT IS CORRECT, ONLY WHERE WE ARE LACKING COVERAGE, ADEQUATE SIGNAL STRENGTH.
ANY CONCERNS, MR. CHAIRMAN? ANDRE, ANDRE GARABEDIAN, PRIVATE CITIZEN, JUST, UH, WONDERING IF THERE'S AN AMENDMENT, UH, CORRESPONDING TO CHAPTER 11? 'CAUSE CHAPTER 11 GOVERNS EXISTING BUILDINGS AND IT MIGHT DIRECT SOMEBODY TO THIS SECTION THAT ONLY TALKS ABOUT, UH, NEW BUILDINGS.
ARE WE GONNA STRIKE? UH, 1103 0.2 1103 0.2 SAYS EXISTING BUILDINGS OTHER THAN R THREES THAT DO NOT HAVE APPROVED IN BUILDING TWO A EMERGENCY RESPONDER COMMUNICATION COVERAGE, UH, SO ON AND SO FORTH, SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH SUCH COVERAGE ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, EITHER A EXISTING WIRED OR TIMEFRAME ESTABLISHED BY THE, UH, ADOPTING AUTHORITY.
AND THEN THE LAST THING IS WHERE IT IS IT DETERMINED BY THE FIRE CODE OFFICIAL THAT IN BUILDING TWO-WAY SYSTEM COVERAGE IS NOT NEEDED.
SO, UH, I GUESS IS THE AMENDMENT FIVE OH TEN ONE SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE THAT EXCEPTION? YES.
UM, EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE FOUND TO NOT REQUIRE A SYSTEM, UH, WILL FALL UNDER 1103 0.2 AND THE EXCEPTION IS WHAT WOULD, UM, EXEMPT THEM FROM THAT REQUIREMENT? SO WE FEEL SECTION FIVE 10 ADDRESSES, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES NEW BUILDINGS, WHEREAS CHAPTER 11, UM, SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO EXISTING.
SO WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME ON 1103 0.2? WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? THAT WILL BE THREE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF NOTIFICATION THAT A SYSTEM IS REQUIRED IN THEIR BUILDING AND THAT IS ALSO ON THE AGENDA AT AS AN ITEM FURTHER DOWN THE LIST.
SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THIS SECTION DOES NOT REQUIRE IMPROVEMENT TO AN EXISTING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM? SO IF THEY HAVE ONE IN, THEY'RE BASICALLY GRANDFATHER, WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO SECTION 1103? NO, FIVE 10.1 THE LAST OKAY, I'M SORRY, I COULD NOT HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
THE LAST SENTENCE IN YELLOW SAYS, THIS SECTION DOES NOT REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS OF AN EXISTING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
SO THE WAY I READ THAT, IF IT'S IN, WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT, IT'S EXEMPT FROM EVERY OTHER REQUIREMENT.
'CAUSE THIS WOULD BE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT AND ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU AMENDED IT, THIS IS CHRIS MONASTERY.
I THINK WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE COVERAGE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CITY HAS TO MODIFY THEIR, THEIR CURRENT RADIO SYSTEM TO PROVIDE THAT COVERAGE.
THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON THE, ON THE BUILDING OWNER.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S TRYING TO SAY.
THAT LANGUAGE CHIEF, THE SECTION SHALL NOT REQUIRE IMPROVEMENT OF THE EXISTING PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
SO IF YOUR, IF SOMEBODY ADOPTS THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT NOW YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE YOUR ENTIRE CITY RADIO SYSTEM.
UH, CHIEF MONIER IS THIS DISLOCATED? 'CAUSE IF THIS IS NEW BUILDINGS, IT WON'T HAVE AN EXISTING SYSTEM.
IT REFERS BACK TO IT FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING SECTION.
I THINK THAT'S WHY IT, IT MATTERS
UM, CHIEF MONASTERY AGAIN, SO THIS GOES BACK TO THE 2009 CODE ADOPTION.
AND SO WE HAD OUR OWN LANGUAGE IN THERE AND IT WOULD REQUIRE FOR NEW
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CONSTRUCTION IF IT MET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, UH, GREATER THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, FOUR STORIES OR LESS.IF, IF EACH ONE OF THE FLOORS IS NOT 50,000 SQUARE FEET, THERE WERE CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
AND SO OVER THE YEARS, THE, UH, INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL HAS WRITTEN ITS OWN, UH, EMERGENCY RADIO COVERAGE CHAPTER.
AND SO WE'VE KIND OF BLEND LAST CODE ADOPTION.
AND NOW THIS TIME, UM, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LANGUAGE THAT'S, UH, IN THE REWRITE OF THIS CHAPTER THAT, THAT WE AGREE WITH.
AND SO THIS CHAPTER FIVE, SECTION FIVE 10 APPLIES TO NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN, UH, IN CHAPTER 11, WHICH IS EXISTING BUILDINGS, IT REFERENCES THE, UH, EXISTING COVERAGE AS WELL.
AND SO EVEN IN OUR 2009 ADOPTION OF RADIO COVERAGE, WE STILL HAD THE REQUIREMENT FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS AS WELL.
SO NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED EXCEPT FOR SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE IN HERE.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE REQUIRING PERMITS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE SPECIFIC ON HOW IT'S TESTED, BUT WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE, THE NITTY GRITTY, THERE'S A GRID TYPE SYSTEM, YOU HAVE TO PASS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE BUILDING COVERED AND CODE COMPLIANT.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND CHAPTER 11 IS FOR EXISTING AND IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A, IT'S AN EXISTING, UH, REQUIREMENT WE'VE HAD SINCE 2009.
ANY, ANY REASON NOT TO ADVANCE THIS, WE'RE ALL SATISFIED.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 11, PLEASE.
UH, WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 5, 5 10 0.1 0.10.
I THOUGHT WE JUST DID ALL THE FIVE 10 SECTIONS ALL AT ONCE.
DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE, UH, SUB AMENDMENTS SEPARATELY? YES, I DO SUGGEST THAT BECAUSE THEY DIFFER FROM THE, UH, LANGUAGE IN THE I F C 2021.
SO WE JUST DID FOUR THERE AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO FIVE.
ALL, UH, SO THIS IS, UH, GET AHEAD OF MYSELF, I SUPPOSE.
UH, AMENDMENT TO THE EXEMPTION LANGUAGE LISTED UNDER SECTION FIVE, 10.1 0.1 ON PAGE 54 OF THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO UPDATE THIS AMENDMENT TO READ AND, UH, DIFFERENTLY AND PROVIDE CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE EXEMPTIONS TO THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO A MULTI-FAMILY THAT IS FIVE STORIES AND 20,000 SQUARE FEET, WOULD IT HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS IN IT? NO, SIR.
THEY WOULD NOT TRYING TO IMAGINE A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, BUT FIVE, THE WAY THIS READ IS A ALL FIVE STORY BUILDINGS WOULD'VE TO HAVE THE SYSTEM IN IT, CORRECT? NO, SIR, IT IS, UH, HOW LESS THAN 50 OR, OKAY.
EACH FLOOR HAS TO, UH, BE LESS THAN 50,000.
SO THE, UM, EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE IN PLACE TODAY ARE THE LANGUAGE IS JUST CLEAN, A LITTLE CLEANED UP, UH, TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION.
AND I THINK YOU NEED AFTER THE, ON THE SECOND LINE, SECOND WORD, I THINK YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE WORD OR IN IT'S, UH, THIS IS CHIEF MONIER.
MR. ROS, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION? IF IT'S FIVE STORY BUILDING THAT IS 25,000 SQUARE FEET, IT WOULD BE EXEMPT, CORRECT?
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BE 50,000 SQUARE FEET.AND MY SECOND POINT WAS THE AFTER ON THE SECOND LINE, AFTER THE FIRST WORD, FEET, YOU NEED TO BELIEVE THE WORD OR YES, I DO SEE, UH, OR A STRIKE HAS A STRIKETHROUGH, BUT WE WILL REPLACE THAT.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO SIX, WHICH IS FIVE TEN ONE TWO.
THIS IS FAILURE TO COMPLY, UPDATE TO A CURRENT AMENDMENT.
AND THIS IS A NUMBERING, UH, CHANGE TO THE SEQUENCE TO RE-IDENTIFY IT AS SECTION FIVE, 10.1 0.3 IN THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
THE, UM, 5 0 1, SO THIS, I'M SORRY, FIVE 10.
ONE TWO ITEM SIX, I THINK THE FAILURE TO COMPLY.
SO YOU'RE MOVING IT FROM FIVE 10.12 OR UH, POINT 12 TO FIVE 10.1 0.2.
ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT? DON'T EXPECT ANY.
MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS NEEDS ASSESSMENT SURVEY.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW AMENDMENT TO SECTION FIVE, 10.1 0.3, FOUND ON PAGE 54.
AND THIS IS A NEEDS ASSESSMENT SURVEY IS REQUIRED IN NEW BUILDINGS OR EXISTING BUILDING WHEN CRITERIA IS MET.
AND THIS IS TO EXPLAIN AND, UH, REAFFIRM THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SITE SURVEY TO BE CONDUCTED IN COORDINATION WITH I T S D, WHICH IS THE RADIO LICENSING AUTHORITY AND THE AUTHORITY HAVING JURISDICTION, WHICH IS THE D S D AND S A F D.
SO DOES THIS ANSWER THE QUESTION? UM, MR. GARNI, IF I'M, IF I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY, YOU HAD ASKED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? THIS WE SEEM TO BE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION HERE.
IS THAT, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MY CRITERIA.
UH, YEAH, THE, UM, THE, MY QUESTION, THE CRITERIA ARE PRETTY CLEAR ON THAT, UH, D A Q LEVEL THREE OR, OR, UH, A SURVEY.
YEAH, I, I MISUNDERSTOOD THEN.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERN WITH THIS? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON.
MIKE, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE ONE BEFORE THIS? AND I HAVE A QUESTION, SORRY.
OKAY, SO A NO BEF THE ONE WHERE IT'S SUSPENDED.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S REVOKED? THEY DO THEY PUT THIS SYSTEM IN? ARE THEY GONNA HAVE TO MEET TO GET A NEW C OF O CURRENT CODES LIKE IT WAS BUILT TODAY? THIS IS AMIN THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WHY DO YOU ASK TOUGH ONES? UM, NO.
SO BASICALLY, UM, IF THEIR C F O IS REVOKED AND THEN THEY CORRECT THE ISSUE, IF THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE OCCUPANCY OR THE USE, THEN THEY JUST APPLY FOR IT.
AND IF EVERYTHING ELSE IS STAYS THE SAME, THEY WILL GET THE C F O.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY LOSE THEIR C F O AND THEY CHANGE THE USE FROM BUSINESS TO, YOU KNOW, HOSPITAL FOR EXAMPLE, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALL THE NEW REQUIREMENTS KICK IN.
IS THERE A MIDDLE GROUND CALLED SUSPENSION? THE C C F O IS SUSPENDED BECAUSE THE, ONCE IT'S REVOKED, THERE IS NO C F O ON THE BUILDING.
AND ONCE THERE'S NO C F O IN THE BUILDING
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AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET A NEW C F O ON THE BUILDING, AT THAT POINT, THE BUILDING HAS TO BE BROUGHT BACK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RELYING ON A PREVIOUSLY GOOD C F O WITH A CHAIN, EVEN IF THERE'S NO CHANGE IN OCCUPANCY, THE BUILDING IS AS IF, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN REVOKED THAT THERE'S NO C OF O AT ALL.AND SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO CHANGE THE WORD FROM REVOKED TO IT'S SUSPENDED, ALL YOU REALLY WANT THEM TO DO IS PUT THE SYSTEM IN.
AND IF THEY HAVE A SUSPENDED C OF O, THEY CAN OCCUPY THE BUILDING.
CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER 10, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SUSPENSION OF C F O, WE HAVE REVOCATION.
UM, SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT WHEN WE GO THROUGH ALL THE ADMIN, UH, ITEMS THROUGH CHAPTER 10.
SO IF YOU'LL JUST MARK THAT, BECAUSE THE WAY MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, AND, AND IT'S HAPPENED TO A MULTIFAMILY WHERE THEY REVOKED THEIR C OF O, THEY CAME BACK IN TO GET, YOU KNOW, IT REINSTITUTED AND THEY MADE HIM, AND THIS IS PRIOR TO ANYBODY BEING HERE NOW, BUT THEY MADE HIM GO BACK AND BRING THE BUILDING UP TO CURRENT CODE BEFORE THEY WOULD ISSUE THE C F O.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE INTENT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DOING.
WE WILL ADD IT ON, ON THE LIST FOR, UH, FUTURE MEETINGS IF THIS IS A, IS A SECTION THAT'S MEANT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANT OCCUPANCY WITHOUT COMPLYING, I GUESS, RIGHT? UH, THIS IS CHRIS MONIER AGAIN.
SO WHEN YOU'RE IN CHAPTER 11, UH, IT KICKS YOU BACK.
YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF FIVE 10.
SO FAIR ENOUGH, NOT, NOT, PROBABLY NOT.
YOU WORTH BEATING THAT TO DEATH.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO, SO WE'RE AT FIVE TEN ONE THREE, WHICH WE PROOF.
SO NOW WE'RE ON 5 10, 1 3 1 ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS CRITERIA.
AND THIS IS NEW AMENDMENT LANGUAGE.
WE ARE PROPOSING THIS LANGUAGE WAS TAKEN FROM, UM, AN IB THAT WE ARE GETTING READY TO, UH, RELEASE AND PUBLISH ON THE WEBSITE.
AND THIS WILL CLEAR UP ANY, UH, QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UM, CRITERIA THAT NEEDS TO BE MET WHEN A SITE SURVEY IS SUBMITTED.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST PERTAINING TO LOCAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL EXPEDITE THE, UH, THE, THE PROCESS OF REVIEW.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO, WE'RE ADDING THIS NEEDS ASSESSMENT IN, BECAUSE THE THEORY IS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA PUT IT IN A SYSTEM, IT SHOULD WORK PROPERLY AND THIS IS THE WAY TO WE MAKE SURE IT WORKS PROPERLY.
YES, BECAUSE THE NEED IS ACTUALLY DETERMINED BY THE, UM, RESULTS OF THE SITE SURVEY, RIGHT? THAT SEEMS TO MAKE PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF SENSE.
SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY, AND THE GRID, THE GRID DOESN'T MATTER.
THE 20 DOESN'T MATTER NO MATTER WHAT THE SIZE OF THE FLOOR IS.
AND THAT, UH, CORRELATES WITH WHAT IS WRITTEN IN I F C 2021.
UH, ITEM NINE, FIVE, TEN TWO, ONE PLEASE.
ITEM NINE IS RETROACTIVE REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW AMENDMENT WHICH ADDS RETROACTIVE LANGUAGE TO THE EMERGENCY RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE SECTION.
SO CHAPTER 11 KICKS YOU BACK TO CHAPTER FIVE THAT SAYS YOU NEED THIS, YOU HAVE THREE YEARS TO GET IT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
IS THAT, IF I'M PUTTING THAT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, IS THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
ANYBODY ELSE CONCERNS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? WE WILL, WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TEN ONE, SORRY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CITY CHANGES THEIR, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY'S PAID TO HAVE A CURRENT SYSTEM IN AND LIKE THEY DID FIVE YEARS AGO OR 10 YEARS AGO, THE CITY CHANGES THEIR SYSTEM OUT AND EVERYBODY'S SYSTEM THAT THEY PUT IN NO LONGER WORKS OR THEY THEN HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH A DIFFERENT SYSTEM? WELL, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING OFF OF THE 800 MEGAHERTZ SYSTEM
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AND HAVE NOT YET, UM, BROUGHT THE OTHER SYSTEM, THE NEW SYSTEM, THE P 25 ONLINE.SO THAT CURRENTLY THE TESTING THAT IS BEING DONE, VALIDATION, ACCEPTANCE TESTING, AS WELL AS THE REVIEW OF THE SITE SURVEY ARE ALL, UH, WITH BEING DONE WITH THAT IN MIND AND DOING SO WITH THE FREQUENCIES AND THE CONTROL CHANNEL, THAT WILL APPLY TO THE NEW SYSTEM ONCE THAT COMES ONLINE, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BE, UM, PROBABLY BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO THEN THEY WOULD PUT IN THE NEW SYSTEM AND NOT THE ONE THAT WORKS ON 800.
AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY, ALL THOSE AGENCIES THAT MIKE REFERRED TO BEFORE, FIRE POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, AND EVERYBODY IS GOING TO THAT NEW CHANNEL.
YES, IT IS A SHARED, UM, ALAMO AREA RADIO SYSTEM THAT IS SHARED AMONGST FIRE PD, UH, THE CITY DEPARTMENTS AS WELL AS C P S.
AND SO EVERY OTHER BUILDING THAT'S BEEN PUT IN THE SYSTEM THAT WORKS WITH THE 800 THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE NEW SYSTEM IS GOING TO HAVE TO REDO THEIR WHOLE DEAL WITHIN THREE YEARS.
YES, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT MOST LIKELY, UH, IF THEY HAD A SYSTEM IN PLACE, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
THE NEWER SYSTEM, THE P 25 PROVIDES AMPLE COVERAGE, UM, MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE COVERAGE, AND THERE ARE LESS DEAD SPOTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO MOST LIKELY, UH, THEIR SYSTEM WILL WORK JUST FINE.
THAT WHAT THAT IS, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN FINDING AS WE ARE, UH, MOVING THROUGH THESE SURVEYS, THIS IS CHRIS MONIER.
UM, ACTUALLY, UH, IN THE PAST PROBABLY THREE, FOUR, MAYBE EVEN FIVE YEARS, KNOWING AND ANTICIPATING A NEW SYSTEM COMING ONLINE, WE'VE HELD OFF ON REQUIREMENTS IN AREAS WHERE WE KNEW THERE WAS, UH, INADEQUATE COVERAGE.
AND SO ON THESE SITE SURVEYS, SOME HIGH RISE BUILDINGS, UM, WE'VE LET THE OWNERS KNOW WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU EXTRA TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM COMING IN AND IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA MAKE, UH, COVERAGE LIKE CHIEF RAUS SAID, AN IMPROVEMENT.
AND SO INSTEAD OF MAKING YOU, UH, PUT THE SYSTEM IN RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH WITH WITH A SYSTEM THAT'S GONNA BE IMPROVED, WE'RE GONNA WAIT AND SEE IF IT GETS BETTER FOR YOU.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY HELD OFF ON SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE SYSTEM IS GONNA BE MORE ROBUST AND PROVIDE BETTER COVERAGE FROM THE GET-GO.
SO SOME BUILDINGS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE HAD ADEQUATE COVERAGE AND HAVE FAILED, UH, THIS SITE SURVEY, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY PASS NOW BECAUSE OF THE NEW TOWERS AND, AND BETTER, UH, COVERAGE AND RECEPTION, AND THEN THE THREE YEAR PERIOD START THE, THEY'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO RECHECK IT.
THEY CAN JUST WAIT FOR Y'ALL TO COME OUT AND SAY IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT.
AND THEN THAT TRIGGERS THE NEW SITE IN.
WELL, ONCE, ONCE THEY'RE ON THE CLOCK, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE WILL, UH, SCHEDULE FOLLOW UP, UM, WITH THOSE PROPERTIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR BURDEN OF PROOF AS FAR AS THAT GOES IS REALLY GONNA BE ON THE OWNER.
SO IF IT DOES GET BETTER AND, AND, UH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THAT, UH, COVERAGE HAS IMPROVED OR COVERAGE HAS IMPROVED ENOUGH TO WHERE THEY DON'T NEED A BIDIRECTIONAL AMPLIFIER OR A, YOU KNOW, RADIO COVERAGE AMPLIFICATION SYSTEM.
BUT THE WAY THIS READS IN THE LAST SENTENCE, IT SAYS THE THREE YEAR PERIOD BEGINS ON THE DAY THE BUILDING OWNER OR OCCUPANT IS NOTIFIED OF THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEND A RIGHT.
SO IF WE BECOME AWARE OF A, OF A BUILDING THAT'S DEFICIENT THROUGH AN OPERATION THAT WE'VE HAD OR ON A, YOU KNOW, A LARGE REMODEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE DISCOVER THAT RADIO COVERAGE IS DEFICIENT THROUGH OUR RADIO SYSTEM, IT'S LIKE A SPOT TEST.
AND THEN IF WE, WE DETERMINE, HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE, THEN THE OWNER'S REQUIRED TO DO A, A SITE SURVEY TO PROVE I MIGHT HAVE A DEAD SPOT HERE, BUT I, I STILL MEET THE, THE PERCENTAGE COVERAGE TO WHERE I'M CODE COMPLIANT.
SO AGAIN, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS, IS, UH, IS ON THE OWNER THERE.
UM, AT THAT TIME THEY'RE AWARE THAT THERE'S A DEFICIENCY, SO THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 10 PLEASE.
IT IS SECTION FIVE, 10.4, 0.2 0.5,
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UH, PROPOSING A NEW AMENDMENT THAT WILL, UH, BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER NINE UNDER THIS SECTION.AND THIS WILL READ AS FOLLOWS.
IT WILL BE, UM, IN THE CURRENT CODE BOOK, THERE IS, UH, EIGHT OF THESE.
SO THIS WILL BE ADDED AS NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS A DEDICATED ENUNCIATOR SHALL BE PROVIDED WITHIN THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER TO ENUNCIATE THE STATUS OF ALL RF EMITTING DEVICES AND ACTIVE SYSTEM COMPONENT LOCATIONS.
THIS DEVICE SHALL PROVIDE VISUAL AND LABELED INDICATIONS FOR EACH SYSTEM COMPONENT AND RF EMITTING DEVICE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, A, A QUESTION, UH, WHY WOULDN'T WE ALLOW THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM TO MONITOR THIS, UH, EQUIPMENT THROUGH A DRY CONTACT RELAY INSTEAD OF A DEDICATED ENUNCIATOR? WELL, THIS IS, UH, PROPOSING A DEDICATED ENUNCIATOR.
WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION TO? IF A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS PRESENT IN THE BUILDING, UM, AND THERE WERE A FAULT IN THE RF EMITTING DEVICE, IT COULD REPORT BACK TO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM AND THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM WOULD BE THE ENUNCIATOR, UH, IT WOULD CAUSE THE LOCAL BEEP AND GIVE YOU THE READOUT AS TO WHAT THE FAULT WAS ON THE FIRE ALARM PANEL IN ADDITION TO SENDING THE SIGNAL OFFSITE.
THIS DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT ANY OFFSITE MONITORING OF THIS SYSTEM EITHER.
YES, THAT IS, UH, COVERED IN THE LANGUAGE THAT EXISTS IN 2021 I F C.
THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, UM, REGARDING THIS REQUIREMENT.
I AM GONNA TAKE A LOOK, BUT I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY A DEDICATED ENUNCIATOR WOULD BE ANY BETTER THAN THE FIRE ALARM PANEL REPORTING THIS BACK TO THE USERS OR THE, OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
YES, AND, AND THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE, UM, TODAY, AND SO WE ARE JUST AGAIN EXTRACTING IT FROM THE IB.
IT IS ALSO A, A REQUIREMENT FROM, UM, EXTRACTED FROM N F P A 1221.
THIS MIGHT BE GOOD LANGUAGE IN BUILDINGS THAT DON'T HAVE FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS, MAYBE LIKE A LARGE WAREHOUSE, UM, HUGE EXPANSIVE WAREHOUSE THAT MAY NOT HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, BUT BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS THE TRIED AND TRUE.
I MAY RECALL WE HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT'S ASKING US TO TIE OTHER, UH, ALARMS INTO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM SO THEY CAN BE REPORTED OFF SITE.
THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE TO DO THAT TOO AS WELL.
I THINK THIS IS CHRIS MONASTERY.
I THINK THIS IS, THIS SECTION, UM, WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE LARGER TYPE BUILDINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
AND SO YOU'D WANT TO SEE IF THERE WERE A MAJOR FIRE LIKE IN A HIGH RISE AND YOU'RE IN THAT FIRE FIRE COMMAND CENTER, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE, UH, RADIO COVERAGE SYSTEM FROM THE START OF THAT INCIDENT.
AND SO IT'S REALLY SPECIFIC FOR BUILDINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT OF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS.
IS CHRIS MONY AGAIN, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE OR NO? DOES THAT CONFUSE SOME, SOME FOLKS? THIS IS ROBERT HENLEY.
SO ANDRE, UH, WHAT CHRIS JUST NOTED IS A BUILDING CAN HAVE A FIRE OR ALARM SYSTEM, BUT IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER, THEN THIS WOULD BE ADDED.
IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT, THAT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT UH, BUT I WOULD EVEN SAY THAT, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH ITEM NUMBER NINE UP THERE IS IT'S A DEDICATED ENUNCIATOR, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARY IF A BUILDING HAS A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM PERIOD.
SO A HIGH RISE BUILDING THAT HAS A FIRE COMMAND CENTER ABSOLUTELY PUT THIS SYSTEM THROUGH THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
SO NOT ONLY DOES IT ENUNCIATE ON THE MAIN FIRE ALARM PANEL, WHICH IS WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING FOR THAT EVENT, BUT IT'LL ALSO TRIGGER OFFSITE IF THERE'S A SUPERVISORY SIGNAL.
IF THIS, IF THIS SYSTEM IS DOWN, THAT WORKS GREAT FOR HIGH RISE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE FIRE COMMAND CENTERS.
AND I'D GO A STEP FURTHER TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER, BUT YOU HAVE A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THIS AS WELL.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A VERY LARGE, UM, TWO STORY BUILDING, UH, THAT DIDN'T HAVE A FIRE COMMAND
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CENTER, BUT YOU HAD A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, UH, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, ADD TO THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE.AS LONG AS THE WORD DEDICATED IS REMOVED FROM THAT SENTENCE, YOU CAN GET MORE SCOPE AND BREADTH OUT OF IT WITHOUT THE WORD DEDICATED.
SO CHRIS, WHY, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT A DEDICATED VERSUS JUST PART OF A, THE WHOLE PACKAGE? UH, I THINK THE IDEA THERE IS FOR AN OPERATION, A HIGH-RISE FIRE THAT ALL OF YOUR SYSTEMS THERE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SYSTEM AND EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT HAVE IT ON THE, UH, ON THE FAR ALARM ITSELF, THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, RIO COVERAGE, THE BI-DIRECTIONAL AMPLIFIER, WHATEVER THE IDEA THERE, FROM WHAT I RECALL ON WHO SUBMITTED THIS, UH, WHICH MADE SENSE TO US AND MAYBE MAYBE THAT NUMBER NINE SHOULD READ, UM, FOR BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A, A FIRE COMMAND CENTER, A SEPARATE DEDICATED FIRE ANNUNCIATOR TO, TO MAKE THAT, UH, NUMBER NINE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR, UM, TO ADDRESS ANDRE'S COMMENTS.
IT, IT IS PROVIDED IN NUMBER SEVEN, SO THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, ITEM AND FIVE TEN FOUR, TWO FIVE ON MONITORING.
SO THERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THERE THAT DEAL WITH THE MONITORING OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND, AND LOOK AT AGAIN.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I I I THINK THE IDEA THERE WAS THAT IF IT WAS A TYPE OF BUILDING WHERE YOU HAD A LARGE ENOUGH INCIDENT, UM, LIKE A HIGH-RISE FIRE TO HAVE ALL YOUR SYSTEMS WHERE YOU COULD CHECK INDIVIDUALLY SO THAT THE, THE INCIDENT COMMANDER, THE, THE FORD COMMAND, WHOEVER WAS INSIDE, UH, IN THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER CAN LOOK AND SEE AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS, WAS OPERATING PROPERLY.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT HERE WAS.
IT'S ONLY GONNA BE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
AND IF IT HAS THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER, WHERE WOULD THE DEDICATED ENUNCIATOR? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE LIKE AN ALARM, SEPARATE ALARM ON THE WALL OR IN THAT ROOM, OR WAS IT ANOTHER COMPUTER SCREEN OR, YEAH, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A PANEL, AN ANNUNCIATOR PANEL IN THAT ROOM THAT'S DEDICATED, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR THAT.
AND THAT WOULD SERVE AS A VISUAL INDICATOR AND, UM, GIVE INFORMATION REGARDING WHICH AREAS OF THE BUILDING MAY BE, MAY HAVE A COMPROMISED OR REDUCED SIGNAL.
MR. CHAIRMAN ANDRE GARBY, I'M, I'M NOT SEEING THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS PROVIDED AHEAD OF TIME, BUT, BUT I THINK THE, THE FLAW WITH THIS IS IT'S ONLY WHILE YOU'RE THERE, UH, DOES THIS REQUIRE ANY OFFSITE MONITORING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM HAS GONE DOWN BEFORE YOU NEED IT? YES.
UH, NUMBER SEVEN, UH, READS THE COMMUNICATION LINK BETWEEN THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM AND THE IN-BUILDING TWO-WAY EMERGENCY RESPONDER COVERAGE COMMUNICATION COVERAGE SYSTEM.
SO THERE ARE EIGHT REQUIREMENTS THERE FOR SYSTEM MONITORING.
SO THIS IS NUMBER NINE IS IN ADDITION TO THOSE EIGHT SPECIFICALLY FOR, FOR, UH, BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A FIRE COMMAND CENTER.
SO THE, THE TECHNICAL INTRICACIES OF THIS ARE, ARE VERY FINE, RIGHT, AND BEYOND MY ABILITY TO ANSWER OR ASK AN INTELLIGENT QUESTION.
SO, BUT THE, THE QUESTION I WILL ASK IS, YOU KNOW, MR. GARABEDIAN BROUGHT UP A, A, I THINK A A COMPELLING POINT.
IT SOUNDS COMPELLING, UM, AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONDED IN A EQUALLY COMPELLING
SO WHAT DO WE WANNA DO? DO ANDRE? YEAH, MAYBE I CAN HELP.
YEAH, THEY, SO THEY'VE CLARIFIED THAT THE, THE, THE FIRST FEW SECTIONS COVER ALMOST EVERY OTHER BUILDING.
THIS IS LOOKS LIKE BELT AND SUSPENDERS FOR HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE FIRE COMMAND CENTERS ONLY.
SO IT'S, EVERYTHING IS COVERED IN THE LANGUAGE ABOVE.
PLUS THIS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN ADDITION.
BUT AS, UH, CHIEF MONER SUGGESTED, WE MAY BE ABLE TO, UH, REWORD, UM, THE, THIS ITEM TO READ FOR BUILDINGS THAT DO HAVE THEIR, THAT ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER THAT THIS WOULD APPLY TO THEM.
YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THAT AGAIN, FOR FOR PURPOSES OF THIS, WE CAN APPROVE IT AND AS LONG AS IT'S DIRECTIONALLY ACCURATE, IF YOU NEED TO MESS WITH THE WORDING A LITTLE BIT TO KEEP THE MEETING CLEAR, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON.
JUST TO CLARIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, WHEN I READ IT, I WAS KIND OF AGAINST IT, BUT NOW I, I, I UNDERSTAND THE REASON.
SO IN HIGH-RISE BUILDINGS OR HOSPITALS OR BIG BUILDINGS WHERE THEY HAVE FIRE COMMAND CENTER, UH, SOMETIMES WHEN AN EVENT HAPPENS, FIRE DEPARTMENT WALKS IN AND YOU HAVE THE FIRE ALARM PANEL THERE,
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BUT MIGHT HAVE SO MANY MESSAGES ON IT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN ISSUES.SO ALL WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS, UH, ON THE SIDE AN ANNUNCIATOR SPECIFICALLY TO TELL THEM IF THE RADIO SYSTEM IS DOWN, AND THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED BY JUST ADDING ONE ANNUNCIATOR AND SENDING ONLY THAT MESSAGE TO IT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY INDICATION YOU'RE GONNA GET ON IT.
AND THAT WOULD BE ONLY IN NEW CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS OR WOULD THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE TIE THIS BACK FOR A, UH, RETROFIT? NO, ACTUALLY SINCE THIS IS CHAPTER, SINCE THIS IS FIVE 10, IF IT'S A RETROACTIVE REQUIREMENT AND THAT BUILDING HAD A FIRE COMMAND CENTER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THIS ANNUNCIATOR PANEL AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS FOR FIREFIGHTER SAFETY, FOR BUILDING OCCUPANT SAFETY BECAUSE IT'S THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE TO, TO RESCUE THE OCCUPANTS.
AND SO WE WANT TO KNOW THAT IF THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES IN THAT COVERAGE SYSTEM THAT I MIGHT HAVE TO DO, I MIGHT HAVE TO OPERATE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY KNOWING THAT THERE'S, THAT, THERE'S THIS ISSUE IN RESPONDER RADIO COVERAGE.
SO I WANNA KNOW THAT GOING IN.
SO IF I COULD SEE THAT RIGHT AWAY WHEN I GO TO THE FIRE COMMAND CENTER BEFORE I LAUNCH MY OPERATION, IF I COULD SEE THERE'S AN ISSUE, I COULD ACT ACCORDINGLY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT IN THERE.
DOES ANYBODY NEED A BREAK? WE'VE BEEN AT IT AN HOUR.
ALL RIGHT, SO, UH, NUMBER 11 PLEASE.
6 0 5 4 FUEL OIL STORAGE SYSTEMS. NUMBER 11, FUEL OIL STORAGE SYSTEMS STAFF RECOMMENDS A NEW AMENDMENT AND PROPOSE THE LANGUAGE LISTED UNDER FUEL OIL STORAGE SYSTEM ABOVE GROUND STORAGE TANKS AND PIPING FOR GENERATORS SHALL COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 57.
AND THIS IS, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO EXPAND THE LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE, UM, AND DIRECTLY APPLY TO GENERATORS.
SO DO WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE, ANY REFERENCE TO THE I M C SINCE WE'VE TAKEN OUT THE CHAP CHAPTER? NO, SIR.
BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, THAT IS A VERY GENERAL, UH, APPLICATION, WHEREAS THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC.
SO WHAT WE COULD DO TO, TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFICITY IS TO, UM, ADD A 6 0 5 0.4 0.1.
ACTUALLY, THERE IS ALREADY ONE, BUT WE COULD ADD ITS OWN SECTION THAT INDICATES FUEL OIL STORAGE SYSTEMS FOR GENERATORS TO ELIMINATE OR MINIMIZE ANY CONFUSION.
CHIEF, IS THERE ANY SIZE REQUIREMENTS? SO IF YOU HAD A 10 GALLON TANK SERVICING A GENERATOR, YOU'D HAVE TO, THIS WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY OR IS IT MEANT FOR BIGGER? BECAUSE THIS COULD BE A TEMPORARY GENERATOR TOO, CORRECT? YEAH, THIS IS, YES, SIR.
SIR, IT DOES, UH, CHIEF RAMIREZ, I'M HERE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? NOW, MOST OF THE TIME YOU'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A 10 GALLON, UH, TANK, UH, FEEDING A GENERATOR.
SO MOST OF THOSE GENERATORS ARE UPWARDS AND 200 GALLONS AND A ON AND UP, SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO 12 6 0 5 4 2.
OKAY, FOR THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 11, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE LIST THIS UNDER AND CREATE A 6 0 5 0.4 0.1 0.2? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY APPETITE FOR THAT HERE.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'D BE HELPFUL IN ENFORCEMENT TO ADD A CLARIFICATION, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
UH, BUT I, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH IT AS IS.
MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12, WHICH IS FUEL OIL STORAGE SYSTEMS INSIDE BUILDINGS.
THIS IS UNDER SECTION 6 0 5 0.42.
UH, THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT THAT WE PROPOSED DURING MEETING NUMBER TWO AND WE DECIDED TO RESCIND THIS ITEM AFTER FURTHER, UH, DISCUSSION WITH STAFF.
SO WE AS A COMMITTEE APPROVED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND, BUT NOW YOU'VE RECONSIDERED AND DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
THIS ITEM WAS TABLED FROM, FROM THE LAST MEETING.
ITEM NUMBER 13 IS 9 0 7 0.5 0.2 0.3 0.1.
AND THIS IS FOR PUBLIC USE AREAS AND COMMON USE AREAS, WIRED EQUIPMENT.
THIS IS NEW AMENDMENT, UM, THAT WAS PROPOSED
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DURING MEETING TWO.THIS ITEM WAS TABLED, UH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO ADD WALK-IN TO THE DESCRIPTION OF COOLERS AND FREEZERS, WHICH HAS BEEN, UM, COMPLETED ON THE DOCUMENT.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 14.
NEXT ITEM IS, UH, SECTION 9 0 7 0.52331 VISIBLE ALARM WIRED REQUIREMENT FOR R TWO OCCUPANCIES.
THIS IS ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION DURING MEETING TWO.
AND RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM THE COMMITTEE WAS TO ADD ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE AS CONDITIONS TO THE EXISTING LIST.
AND THIS PROVIDES THE CUSTOMER WITH ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.
ANY CONCERNS HERE? ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, 15 PLEASE.
ITEM 15 IS SECTION 9 0 8 0.3, EMERGENCY ALARM AND FIRE ALARM INTERFACE.
THIS IS WAS BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION DURING MEETING TWO.
RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE IS TO, UH, CHANGE THE WORD SHOULD FROM SHOULD TO SHALL, WHICH ALSO HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
CHIEF, WHAT IS AN EMERGENCY ALARM SYSTEM? THAT WOULD BE LIKE A PULSE STATION, NOT A BURGLAR ALARM, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
I I THINK WE'D, OKAY, SO WE WE'RE GOOD WITH 15.
ITEM NUMBER 16 IS 1103 0.7, 0.5 0.1.
AND THIS IS, UH, GROUP R ONE HOTEL MOTEL MANUAL FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS. UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS WE REPEAL AND REPLACE THIS WITH THE, UH, CURRENT LANGUAGE IN 2018 I F C, UH, WITH A CHANGE PROJECTED IN THE FUTURE AND STAKEHOLDERS WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THIS CHANGE PRIOR TO.
SO THIS AMENDMENT JUST IS JUST THE WORDING FROM 2018.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THAT.
THIS APPLIES TO ALL THE HOTELS, RIGHT? UM, NOT ALL HOTELS.
IT'S FOR MOST IT IT APPLIES TO, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
MY QUESTION IS, IS WHERE YOU HAVE HOTEL, THE OLD STYLE HOTELS AND MOTELS THAT ARE, UH, TWO STORIES AND MAYBE HAVE 40 UNITS IN A BUILDING THAT ALL EXIT DIRECTLY TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, LIKE THE OLD STYLE HOLIDAY INNS, IS IT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO HAVE THE, THE POLE STATIONS? CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY IT IS REQUIRED IN HOTELS AND MOTELS THAT ARE MORE THAN ONE STORY IN HEIGHT, I MEAN THAT ARE MORE THAN THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT.
AND THE NEW CODE, UH, WILL APPLY TO BUILDINGS, MO HOTELS, MOTELS, SPECIFICALLY, THAT ARE MORE THAN ONE STORY IN HEIGHT.
SO WHAT'S IN THE AMENDMENT IS WHAT'S BEEN ENFORCED FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS ALREADY.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST A 2018 LANGUAGE? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, WE'LL MOVE TO, UH, NUMBER 17.
AND THIS IS JUST A, UH, INTERNAL ADJUSTMENT THAT WE UPDATED THE SECTION NUMBER, JUST A CLERICAL ERROR ON OUR PART.
ITEM 18 IS RELATED TO SECTION 2307 0.5 AND 2307 0.6 0.4.
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PROPOSING, WE ARE PROPOSING A DELETION OF L P G DISPENSING SECTIONS DUE TO THE FACT THAT TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION CURRENTLY RE REGULATES ALL L P G DISPENSING OPERATIONS.SO THE, THE RECOMMENDED IS TO DELETE ALL SEC OR TO AMEND OUT ALL SECTIONS 20, STARTING WITH 2307 0.5 THROUGH 2307 0.64 OR JUST 2307 0.5 AND 2307 0.6 0.4.
JUST THOSE PARTICULAR, THOSE TWO SECTIONS, ANY CONCERN WITH THAT? SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THEY SHOULD COMPLY WITH THE RULES OF THE STATE? SO IF THEY'RE NOT, YOU CAN SHUT 'EM DOWN IF IT'S DANGEROUS.
UM, THAT WOULD BE, THIS IS CHRIS MONASTERY.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE RAILROAD COMMISSION TO ENFORCE.
THEY ENFORCE THEIR REGULATIONS.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL GET ONTO UH, ITEM 19, CHAPTER 33, WHICH, UM, IS SOMETHING WE TABLED LAST, LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE.
UH, THIS IS CHAPTER 33 AND RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS TO ADOPT THIS SECTION AS WRITTEN.
WHY DID WE TABLE IT LAST TIME? WAS THERE SOME PARTICULAR REASON? MY NOTES AS WE, WE TABLED IT FOR STAKEHOLDER INPUT? YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN ANDRE GARBY.
I THINK ORIGINALLY IT PERTAINED TO, UH, WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION WHERE IT WAS, UH, WOOD SUPERSTRUCTURE THAT WAS HANGING ON A SITE NOT YET COMPLETED.
THE CODE HAD RECOGNIZED THERE WERE SOME DEVASTATING FIRES WITH RESPECT TO THOSE EXPOSED STUDS, UH, AND REQUIRED THE SAFEGUARDS DURING CONSTRUCTION AT THAT STAGE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH, KIND OF PROMPTED THE DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER THAT EXPOSED STUDS STRUCTURE WAS A HAZARD THAT REQUIRED THIS SAFEGUARD OR NOT.
IT WAS ABOUT POSTING A FIRE GUARD DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UM, DID, WAS THERE ANY INPUT FROM ANY OF THE BUILDERS GROUPS? NO, SIR.
WE WERE UNABLE TO, TO CONTACT HIM.
AND, UM, AFTER THE MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS, UH, ALSO, UH, CHAPTER 33, WHEN WE VISIT CONSTRUCTION SITES CURRENTLY, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HAVE HAD, HAVE HAD NO, UM, UH, OPPOSITION TO THESE GENERAL SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
UH, FOR THE MOST PART, THEY ARE, UH, PUT IN PLACE FOR, UM, ACTUALLY THE 2021 I F C IS ADDRESSES HIGH RISE BUILDINGS AND, UH, STRICTURES OVER, I BELIEVE IT'S 50,000 SQUARE FEET AGGREGATE AREA, EXCEEDING 50,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO FIRE WATCH AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE ALWAYS MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND NEVER HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO THIS IS JUST CODIFYING WHAT WE, WHAT OUR CURRENT PRACTICES ARE.
I MEAN, IF, IF IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARTS OF THE CODE ARE JUST CATCHING UP TO BEST PRACTICE AND THIS COULD BE A PART OF THAT.
AND, UM, IF YOU REACHED OUT SEVERAL TIMES AND DIDN'T HEAR BACK, I MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE MADE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON ON THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
DOES ANYBODY IN THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY? NO.
I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD ADOPT IT AND THEN CONTINUE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE GO TO THE FULL BOARD TO CONTINUE REACHING OUT BECAUSE, SO IT'S NOT A OOPSIE SURPRISE WHEN WE GET FURTHER AND EVERYBODY GOES BERSERK WHEN, YOU KNOW, YES, SIR.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO, UH, MAKE ATTEMPTS.
MAYBE IT WAS JUST A BAD WEEK,
UM, AND THEN, SO WE'LL MOVE TO 20, ITEM 20, WHICH IS, UH, 53 0 6 0.2.
THIS SECTION APPLIES TO INTERIOR SUPPLY.
LOCATION STAFF RECOMMENDS A NEW AMENDMENT THAT IS, UH, RELATED TO MEDICAL GAS STORAGE LOCATIONS AND STAFF FEELS THIS, UM, WILL PROVIDE CLARIFICATION AS FAR AS THE COMPLIANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, COMPLIANT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE, AS WELL AS SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON THE RATE AND AREA OF THE ROOM.
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SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO LIKE BIG ROOMS THAT ARE STORING LIKE OXYGEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES, SIR.I BELIEVE IT'S ANYTHING OVER TWO, UH, TANK D SIZED TANKS, IS THAT CORRECT? CAPTAIN RAMIREZ? UM, NORMALLY, YEAH, IT'S AN H CYLINDER TANK NORMALLY HAS ABOUT 250 CUBIC FEET, SO THIS IS PROBABLY PRETTY APPLICABLE TO EMERGENCY ROOMS THAT ARE BEING SET UP ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SOME OF THE DENTAL OFFICES AS WELL.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE IT, IT'S TALKING HERE WHEN IT, SO TO TRIGGER A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OVER 1500 SQUARE FEET? YES.
WELL, THE PREVIOUS CODES ALREADY REQUIRED A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
ONE, YOU EXCEED 504 CUBIC FEET, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY TWO TANKS.
SO THE SPRINKLER REQUIREMENT WAS ALREADY THERE.
SO SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT SPRINKLED, IF THEY, UH, THEY WERE EXCEEDING THE 504 CUBIC FEET THAT WERE HAVING AT THAT SPRINKLER, UH, SPRINKLER HEAD IN THERE.
SO THE, THE AMENDMENT SEEMS TO BE MUCH SMALLER THAN THE ACTUAL CODE PARAGRAPH.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, ANY CHANGE NOTED IS IN THE SECOND SENTENCE, APPROVED MECHANICAL VENTILATION SHALL COMPLY WITH, AND AGAIN, IT SPECIFIES THE I M C AS WELL AS, UM, FOR THE MOST PART IS IT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT FOLLOWS.
SO IS THE I M C REFERENCE AND I DON'T HAVE THAT BOOK WITH ME, REPLACED THIS, THE BITS ABOUT HAVING A ONE HOUR INTERIOR OR, UH, A, UH, SEPARATED FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING BY FIRE BARRIERS, CONSTRUCTION, ACCORDANCE WITH I B C, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THAT'S ALL SEEMS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THIS, UNLESS I'M COMPLETELY LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE HERE.
BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE LESS STRINGENT.
SO I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE JUST IN THE I M C SIDE OR JUST NOT, NOT NECESSARY.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE MISSING A LITTLE BIT OF WORDING IN, IN THIS ONE.
UM, BASED ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT I'M LOOKING AT FOR THIS SECTION THAT ADDRESSES, UH, THE INTERIOR LOCATIONS.
SO SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE SET THIS ONE ASIDE OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE PRETTY QUICK IF WE JUST TAKE A QUICK BREAK? SO, I, I, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE LAST, THE LAST MEETING FOR THIS, IF MAYBE WE CAN SOLVE THAT YES.
SO LET'S GIVE IT 10 MINUTES AND, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH IT.
DOES THAT WORK? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, CALL OURSELVES BACK TO ORDER HERE.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR PATIENCE, BUT WE, WE WANTED TO JUST GET THIS STRAIGHT WHILE WE'RE HERE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD TO ANOTHER MEETING.
SO CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR, AND CAPTAIN, THANK YOU FOR JUMPING THROUGH THE HOOPS TO, TO GET THAT STRAIGHT FOR US REAL FAST.
UM, SO WE'LL REFER BACK TO, UH, ITEM, UH, 20 CHIEF.
YES, THIS IS CHIEF ROSOW AND WE WILL RESUME WITH ITEM NUMBER 20.
THAT IS SECTION 5 3 0 6 0.2 INTERIOR SUPPLY LOCATION.
UM, AMENDMENT IS A NEW AMENDMENT IS PROPOSED TO, THAT PERTAINS TO MEDICAL GAS STORAGE LOCATIONS.
AND UM, WE HAVE MADE SOME EDITS TO THE LOCAL AMENDMENT DOCUMENT.
SO NOW, UM, WE ARE GONNA ADDRESS THIS WITH THE MINOR CHANGE THAT CHANGES THE CURRENT LANGUAGE FROM PERMIT AMOUNT TO 300 CUBIC FEET.
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AND THAT WILL KICK IN THE INTERIOR, UM, SUPPLY LOCATION REQUIREMENT.AND THEN, UH, IN THE NEXT SECTION 53 0 6 0.2 0.1 AND 53 0 6 0.2 0.2 WE'RE ADOPTING IN FULL WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT.
LANGUAGE CHANGES, UH, PERTAINING TO THE ONE HOUR EXTERIOR ROOMS WHERE AMOUNTS EXCEED 1500 CUBIC FEET ROOMS SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH NOT LESS THAN ONE AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER.
AND UNDER THE ONE HOUR INTERIOR ROOM AMOUNTS IN EXCESS OF 1500 CUBIC FEET WILL KICK IN THE AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM REQUIREMENT WITHIN THAT ROOM.
SO CHIEF, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST ONE PLEASE? YES.
WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN 300 AND 1500? THIS IS, THIS IS AMIN THOMAS'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO BASICALLY, UH, THIS SECTION ALL WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CLARIFY, WHAT IS THE PERMITTED AMOUNT? ANYTIME YOU EXCEED 300 CUBIC FEET, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO ONE HOUR RATED, UH, ASSEMBLY.
THAT'S ALL WHAT THIS SECTION SAYS.
SO IF YOU EXCEED 300, YOU NEED THE ONE HOUR ALL THE WAY UP, 1500, 1600, WHATEVER THE SIZE IS.
THE OTHER TWO SECTIONS IN THE CODE, THEY JUST BASICALLY SAY YOU NEED SPRINKLER SYSTEM, BUT THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY SPECIFIC SIZE.
SO TECHNICALLY IF YOU ARE 300 CUBIC FEET, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES THAT, UH, IF IT'S SMALLER THAN 1500, UH, CUBIC FEET, YOU DO NOT NEED SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. SO THEY'RE BEING MORE LENIENT.
AND SO IF, SO, HOW MUCH IS LIKE A SINGLE TANK THAT'S LIKE FOUR FEET HIGH, THAT LIKE OXYGEN? HOW MANY CUBIC FEET WOULD THAT BE? IT'S APPROXIMATELY 250 CUBIC FEET.
SO ONCE YOU GET MORE THAN ONE TANK, BUT YOU COULD HAVE FOUR TANKS, STORE 'EM ALL IN A CABINET AND YOU'RE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECTION WITHOUT PUTTING A ONE HOUR ROOM.
RIGHT? AS AS SOON AS YOU EXCEED THOSE 300 CUBIC FEET, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT IN A ONE HOUR RATED ENCLOSURE OR A CABINET.
SO YOU COULD EITHER BUILD THE ONE HOUR FIRE ROOM OR PUT A, PUT ALL THE TANKS INSIDE CABINETS THAT MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND CHIEF, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THE 53, 0 6 0.2 0.2, THE, THE LANGUAGE WE SAW THERE, THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T REPLACE THAT ENTIRE SECTION.
THAT IS JUST A, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SPECIFY 1500 SQUARE FEET IN THE, IN THE LANGUAGE.
SO THAT A, THAT'S WHAT THAT AMENDMENT'S GONNA DO.
WE, FOR THE SAKE OF, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, YES.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYBODY.
THAT THOSE, UH, 53, 0 6 0.22 AND 53 0 6 0.2 0.1 ARE NOT GONNA BE ONE SENTENCE LONG.
WE'RE JUST THE, THE AMENDMENT IS GONNA BE TO CLARIFY THAT 1500 CUBIC FOOT, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND IS GONNA BE INSERTED INTO THE LANGUAGE OF THOSE.
AND, AND FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT PART LATER, BUT WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF IT TODAY.
SO EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT.
AND, AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MIKE.
IN THE ROOMS THAT ARE WHERE THE CUBIC FEET IS BETWEEN 1500 AND WHATEVER IT IS, IS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL SYSTEM OR IS IT YOU NEED TO SPRINKLER THE WHOLE BUILDING BECAUSE THE OTHER LANGUAGE WAS MORE CLEAR, UH, IN THE INTERIOR ROOM WHERE IT'S ONE HEAD ON THE TANKS.
SO IS, ARE Y'ALL GONNA CLARIFY THAT, THAT IT'S WHEREVER IT IS WHEN YOU ARE IN BETWEEN THAT BUT THE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE SPRINKLER BUILDING? UH, THIS IS CHRIS MONER.
COULD YOU CLARIFY? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WAY THAT IT READS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE REQUIRING A SPRINKLER SYSTEM FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING VERSUS THE ONE ROOM? YEAH, THE, THE OTHER LANGUAGE, AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA WORK ON THE LANGUAGE, IT SAID IF IT'S EXCEEDS 1500 CUBIC FEET, YOU NEED AN INDIVIDUAL AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER.
SOMETHING WITH WAS THE TERMINOLOGY I'LL USE THIS SAYS AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM
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SYSTEM APP APPLIES, IMPLIES MORE THAN ONE HEAD WHERE THE WAY IT WAS DRAFTED BEFORE IT, YOU COULD PUT ONE HEAD ABOVE THE TANKS AND PUT, HOOK IT INTO YOUR DOMESTIC WATER LINE AND YOU WOULD COMPLAIN.AND SO I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT IN BOTH OF THESE, UH, DEALS IS GONNA BE THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
THAT THAT'S THE WORDING THAT'S USED IN THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE.
UM, I, I THINK THE INTENT IS, UM, JUST TO PUT ONE SPRINKLER HEAD, IF THE BUILDING IS NOT SPRINKLED, ONCE YOU EXCEED THAT AMOUNT, UH, MOST OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT WE ENCOUNTER ALREADY, THE BUILDING ALREADY HAS A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
SO WE DON'T FACE THIS PROBLEM UNLESS IT'S THE BUILDING IS NOT SPRINKLED.
SO I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WHEN YOU WRITE THE FINAL LANGUAGE, I'M, I'M FINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I JUST WANT IT CLEAR THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL SPRINKLER HEAD ABOVE THE, THE TANKS AND NOT HAVING TO GO BACK INTO ALL THESE INNER CITY BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY UP CONSTRUCTED WHERE THEY WANT DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND DENTIST OFFICES AND OTHER SERVICES.
BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO WHERE THIS APPLIES IS NOT A REAL HARD TO GET TO THIS.
CHRIS MONER WILL MAKE NOTE OF THAT.
SO FOR THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE, WE WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH, UH, NOT SEEING THE FULL LANGUAGE TYPED OUT 'CAUSE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH HERE.
SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH, WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE ON ITEM 20? SEEMS TO BE ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO 21, SECTION 54 0 4 0.23.
THIS, UH, SECTION IS FROM CHAPTER 54 CORROSIVE MATERIALS.
IT'S, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS A NEW AMENDMENT PERTAINING TO SECONDARY CONTAINMENT AND THIS IS, UH, GONNA REQUIRE SECONDARY CONTAINMENT FOR STORAGE, OUTDOOR STORAGE OF CORROSIVE MATERIALS AND AMOUNTS SPECIFIED UNDER 54 0 4 2.
SO WE ARE GOING TO ADD, UM, AN ADDITIONAL SECTION UNDER 54 0 4 2, WHICH WOULD BE NUMBERED 54 0 4 2 2 3.
ACTUALLY WE HAVE ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL TWO THAT WE SHOULDN'T.
WOULD THIS INCLUDE LIKE STORING POOL CHEMICALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? YES.
ANY CONCERNS? YEAH, I MEAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT KIND OF SECONDARY CONTAINMENT YOU WANT? I'LL DEFER THAT TO CAPTAIN RAMIREZ.
CAN YOU, UH, LIST, TELL ME THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME.
SO IN A A TYPICAL APARTMENT COMMUNITY, YOU MAY BE HAVING CORROSIVE CHEMICALS, I E CHLORINE AND ATIC ACID, YOU KNOW, IN A POOL ROOM AND SOMETIME IN BETWEEN WHEN IT'S BEING, UH, TAKEN OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN, IN BETWEEN AND YOU ORDER THE NEW ONES SO YOU DON'T RUN OUT, YOU MAY GET OVER A CERTAIN LIMIT.
WHAT KIND OF SECONDARY CONTAINMENT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? FOR LIKE POWDERED CHLORINE OR EVEN THOSE TANKS NOW THAT THEY'RE USING TO PUT LIQUID CHLORINE INTO THE POOLS ON AN AUTOMATIC FILL DEAL, THEY CONTAINMENT PALLETS.
COULD, IT COULD JUST BE AS, AS SIMPLE AS, UM, AN ENCLOSURE JUST TO PROTECT IT.
UH, IN CASE YOU HAVE A SPILL OR LEAK ON ONE OF, ON ONE OF THE CONTAINERS.
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I MEAN, HAVE YOU HAD ANY REAL PROBLEMS WITH THOSE DEALS THAT ARE REQUIRING SECONDARY CONTAINMENT SINCE THE CODE DIDN'T FEEL NECESSARY TO DO THAT? UH, WE HAVEN'T ENCOUNTERED MAJOR PROBLEMS, BUT THIS IS JUST MORE FOR SIMPLIFICATION FOR THE INSPECTORS AS THEY GO OUT TO THE FIELD, UM, TO ENFORCE THE CODE.THEY HAVE TO GO, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMETHING BEHIND IT.
SO, UM, ANYTHING OVER THOSE AMOUNTS? YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT YOU HAVE SOME FORM OF SECONDARY CONTAINMENT.
SO CURRENTLY IN THE CODE, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR SECONDARY CONTAINMENT OR YOU'RE ADDING THIS REQUIREMENT? I, I MEAN I, IF IT'S NOT IN THE CODE, I WOULD SUGGEST WE LEAVE IT OUT.
MR. CHAIRMAN MAY MAYBE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.
ANDRE GARABEDIAN, PRIVATE CITIZEN.
I GUESS WHAT, WHAT DOES THIS SECTION ADD TO THE CODE THAT'S NOT ALREADY THERE? I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE SECONDARY CONTAINMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS IN THAT TABLE.
UM, WHAT DOES THIS, WHAT DOES, WHAT DOES THIS ADD? I GUESS MAYBE, AS I RECALL, CAPTAIN RAMIREZ, I BELIEVE THERE WERE CONCERNS WITH RUNOFF ALREADY ADDRESSED UNDER EARLY CHAPTER 50.
SO MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO DELETE IT ALL TOGETHER.
ARE YOU PROPOSING TO RESCIND THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSAL? YES MA'AM.
LAST ITEM NUMBER 21 WILL BE RESCINDED.
SO THAT'S THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE LIST.
UM, ANDRE, THAT THAT, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, 5 0 3 0.14, THE PERSONNEL, THE FIREFIGHTER ACCESS.
UM, THE CLARIFICATION OF THAT IS THAT BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE HOSES, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT, THAT BASICALLY APPARATUS, AND THIS IS A CLARIFICATION FOR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE HAVE COME UP.
THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, DID IT BELONG IN 5 0 3 APPARATUS ACCESS, OR 5 0 4 PERSONAL ACCESS? AND I, I THINK THE, THE CLARIFICATION I GOT, UH, SO ANDRE, SINCE WE CHATTED ABOUT THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, CLEAR THAT THEY HAD TO ADDRESS THAT, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO WE HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE LIST, UM, APPROVED EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM 21, WHICH, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS, UM, RESCINDED.
SO I WOULD ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE LIST WITHOUT ONE CHANGE, ROBERT, IN MOVE APPROVAL.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? ANY FURTHER COMMENTARY FROM ANYBODY ON STAFF OR PUBLIC? OKAY.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? UH, UNANIMOUSLY PASSES.
AND ALL AT ALL, ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL.
THIS IS JEREMY MCDONALD DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, I KNOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT, UH, PERTAINS TO FIREWORKS.
IT'S ARTICLE FOUR OF, UH, CHAPTER 11, OUR, UH, FIRE PREVENTION CODE.
AND SO FIREWORKS ARE IN THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE IN ONE SECTION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A SEPARATE SECTION AND THE, UH, CHAPTER 11 FIRE PREVENTION CODE THAT DEALS SPECIFICALLY WITH FIREWORKS.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES THE PAST YEAR WITH SOME RECOMMENDED CHANGES FROM, UH, FROM, UH, THE PUBLIC AND UH, ALSO SOME OF OUR FIREWORKS, UM, LICENSED CONTRACTORS.
AND SO WE DON'T NEED TO BRING IT UP NOW, BUT IF WE CAN GET IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA, JUST, JUST SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THAT ARTICLE SINCE IT IS IN BOTH, BOTH, UH, THE CODE BOOK AND IN THE ADOPTED, UH, FIRE CODE ORDINANCES, JUST
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TO BRING THAT UP AT A SEPARATE MEETING.IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, TO BRING THAT UP.
UM, ARE YOU PREPARED TO PRE PRESENT THIS SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS? 'CAUSE I THINK THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER I F C MEETING SCHEDULED AND, UM, NOW WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME TO DO IT IF, IF, IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU ALL.
IF NOT, WE CAN, WE CAN PUT IT TO THE FULL, PROBABLY PULL TO THE FULL BOARD.
JEREMY AMIN, I'M OPEN TO SUGGEST ON THAT.
YEAH, IF THEY'RE NOT READY FOR IT, WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE IT TO THE FULL BOARD AND ALSO WE DO HAVE THAT A COUPLE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS, SO IF THEY NEED MAYBE 20 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES, THEN WE CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE OTHER ITEMS AND THEN COME BACK TO IT AS WELL.
SO I GUESS CHIEF, ARE THEY CONTROVERSIAL THEN? I, I, I, I GUESS, UH, WE ARE NOT READY TO PRESENT TODAY.
UH, SO AS SOON AS WE ARE READY, WE, WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE NEXT.
UH, IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER MEETING, WE WILL ADD IT TO IT.
IF NOT, WE CAN BRING IT TO THE FULL BOARD, UH, AT THE END.
ALRIGHT, AND THEN, SO THAT'S, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, TALKING ABOUT THE I F C.
ONCE AGAIN, WE BROUGHT UP THE I B C IN CASE WE HAD ANY REDUNDANCY BETWEEN THE I O C I B C.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT CAME UP TODAY.
SO I THINK WE CAN IGNORE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
SO THAT'S BEEN CONCLUDED AND KIND OF PUT THE I B C AS CONCLUDED AS WELL.
UH, SO I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
UH, I WANNA SAY ABOUT FOUR MEETINGS AGO WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, TALKING ABOUT REG, UM, CONTRACTOR, RESIDENTIAL CONTRACTOR REGISTRATION.
UH, PRESENTED SOME IDEAS TO THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT ADDING CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO BACK, UH, MEET WITH STAKEHOLDERS, PROVIDE, UH, SPEC SOME, SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, UH, TO THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
SO WE DID GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WE MET WITH, UH, BOTH CASABA AND NARI.
UM, WE CAME UP WITH SOME CONS, SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO LOOK AT, AND THEN WE PRESENTED THAT OUT TO THEM, UH, ASKING FOR FEEDBACK.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK.
SO, UH, THE NEXT, UM, SCREEN PLEASE.
SO LOOKING AT THAT CERTIFICATION PROCESS, SO WHAT'S HERE NOW, UN NOT IN UNDERLINED IS, IS REALLY WHAT'S IN THE CODE VERBATIM.
UM, SO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS THE RIGHT TO INVESTIGATE AND EXAMINE THE QUALIFICATIONS.
UH, SUBSECTION A JUST FALLS UNDER ONE ONE CHAPTER.
SO I'VE, I'VE MOVED THAT, THOSE TWO, UH, SENTENCES TO SUBSECTION A AND THEN ADDED SUBSECTION B.
SO THE BACKGROUND CHECK IS STILL THERE.
THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT, THAT'S JUST BEEN MOVED OVER.
SUBSECTION A TO SAY, QUALIFICATIONS ARE NOW BOTH CRIMINAL HISTORY AND SOME FORM OF INDUSTRY KNOWLEDGE THROUGH CERTIFICATION, WHICH WOULD BE SUBSECTION B THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT.
UM, AND IF Y'ALL WANT TO READ THROUGH IT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT THE GOAL IS, YOU KNOW, KNOW SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP DURING THAT MEETING, BOTH THROUGH THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND THE STAKEHOLDER MEETING WAS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, WE DON'T WANNA USE THE WORD GRANDFATHERED BECAUSE EVERYBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET THAT FIVE YEAR REQUIREMENT.
SO THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE ANYBODY THAT'S BRAND NEW THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY HISTORY WITH THE CITY AT ALL, AND HAVING MORE REQUIREMENTS THAN JUST AN A BACKGROUND CHECK AND PROOF OF INSURANCE THAT WE WANNA SHOW.
UH, SOME SHORT, SOME ABILITY TO SHOW THAT YOU HAVE SOME TECHNICAL ABILITY WITHIN THE I R C.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE, WE MENTIONED THE, THE I R C THROUGH THE I C C CERTIFICATION ARE OTHER CERTIFICATIONS.
SO WE WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, THE MOST DEFAULT AND WE TAKE A LOT OF THIS FROM THE CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND IS ALREADY ON OUR WEBSITE AND WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACTORS SO THAT A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE GETS PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THAT.
SO THE I R C AND THE I C C IS, YOU KNOW, THE CODE THAT WE ADOPT.
SO IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE PUT OUT THERE IS FRONT AND FORM L SAY, IF YOU GET THIS CERTIFICATION, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO, BUT BY NO MEANS IS THAT QUALIFIED.
SO WE'LL LET, WE'LL ACCEPT ANY QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU FEEL WOULD MEET THIS CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT, PRESENT THAT TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, WE'LL REVIEW IT.
IF WE DON'T ACCEPT IT, THEY CAN BRING IT TO THIS FULL BOARD, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL REVIEW AND THE BOARD COULD ACCEPT IT OR NOT.
UH, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO BE FAIRLY OPEN.
REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS SOME FORM OF CONTINUED EDUCATION AND SOME FORM OF REGISTRY THAT WE CAN LOOK IT UP SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH.
YOU APPLY, SAY I'M REGISTERED WITH THIS OR HAVE MY SEARCH THROUGH THIS.
WE CAN LOOK IT UP, SEE THAT THEY'RE ACTIVE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME FORM OF REOCCURRING.
UM, AND THE OTHER ITEM IS A FIVE YEAR.
SO WE'RE KIND OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, BRAND NEW NEEDS IT.
ONCE YOU'VE HAD YOUR FIVE YEARS CONTINUOUS WITH THE CITY, WITHOUT ANY, UM, CITATIONS, SUSPENSIONS, REVOCATIONS, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE IT ANYMORE.
NOW IF YOU KEEP IT, THAT HELPS YOU IN OUR CONTRACTOR CONNECTED, MOVING INTO THE PLATINUM OR THE PREMIUM, UH, CATEGORY.
SO IT'S BENEFITS YOU IN THE LONG RUN, UH, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT AFTER THAT FIVE YEAR.
JEREMY, I HAVE A, A QUICK, SO IF THEY GO THROUGH YOUR CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM, WOULD THAT BE OTHER CERTIFICATION APPROVED? IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY WENT THROUGH AND ATTENDED ALL YOUR PROGRAMS
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AT THE CITY, WOULD THAT BE A CERTIFICATION THAT YOU WOULD ACCEPT CURRENTLY? NO.UH, SO PART OF THAT PROGRAM, ONE OF THE ITEMS IS TO GET CERTIFIED AND THAT MOVES YOU UP INTO BEYOND JUST THE BASE LEVEL, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME CONTINUED EDUCATION THAT WE PROVIDE.
IT'S MORE WHAT WE MONTHLY CONTRACT CONNECT FOR ONE OR TWO HOURS, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY A CERTIFICATION PROCESS AT THIS TIME.
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE DEVELOP.
WE ARE NOW MOST RECENTLY BECOME I C C CERTIFIED PROVIDER, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO AND ADD TO IT, BUT AT THIS POINT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CERTIFICATION PROCESS INTERNALLY THROUGH THE CITY.
SO BEFORE, BEFORE WE GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS, CAN I SUGGEST THAT MAYBE, UM, WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION? UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THE WHOLE REGISTRATION, UM, CONVERSATION PROBABLY BELONGS WITH THE WHOLE BOARD.
AND, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TWO AND A HALF HOURS INTO THIS ONE, UM, THAT MAYBE WE, WE PUSH THIS ALONG IF PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE DISAGREE, YOU CAN SAY IT, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE MAYBE THE, UM, NOW'S NOT A GOOD TIME TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS.
I MEAN, I, I'M GREAT WITH EVERYTHING.
THE ONLY THING I WANT IS THAT LAST SENTENCE AN A OUT.
SO Y'ALL DO THE CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REASON TO MAKE EVERYBODY GO GET AN F B I BACKGROUND CHECK EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOURCES AVAILABLE COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE THAT YOU CAN JUST RUN SOMEBODY.
I DON'T MIND HAVING A PROVISION IN THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY REQUIRE IF YOU COME ACROSS SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE UNSURE WHO IT IS OR WHATEVER.
BUT IN TODAY'S AGE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A HOME BUILDER GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO BE, TO BE HIRED AS A POLICE OFFICER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO ME IS JUST RIDICULOUS.
I DISAGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE MARK ROSS ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE, UH, THERE ARE SO MANY ENTITIES I HAD TO GO THROUGH F B I CHECK TO BE A REGISTERED ARCHITECT.
IF YOU HIRE ANYBODY AT ANY OF THE EPISCOPAL CHURCHES IN THE DIOCESE OF TEXAS OR WEST TEXAS, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN F B I CHECK.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY ENTITIES, MY WIFE HAS A FINANCIAL PLANNER, HAS TO GO THROUGH AN F B I CHECK.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE JUST PICKING ON THE HOME BUILDERS.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PROFESSIONS THAT REQUIRE THAT.
AND I DO RECALL A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD A CASE WHERE THE GUY WAS MAKING AN APPEAL TO THIS COMMITTEE THAT THE F B I UNCOVERED SOME ISSUES IN FLORIDA.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S AN UNFAIR UNDUE BURDEN ON SOMEBODY TO KEEP THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE.
SO I'M NOT AGAINST REMOVING THAT SENTENCE.
DO YOU GO THROUGH THAT EVERY TIME YOU RENEW YOUR LICENSE? YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN AND GET YOUR FINGERPRINT EVERY A YEAR? I MEAN, I, I KNOW THE HOME BUILDERS DO.
I MEAN, I HAVE A LICENSE WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS.
I GO DO IT ONCE, ONCE I DO THE INITIAL ONE, THEY TAKE CARE OF IT FROM THEN ON WHATEVER, HAVING FOR ME TO KNOW.
AND IF I GET A CRIMINAL SOMETHING CITATION OR SOMETHING OR ARRESTED OR FELONY F B I NOTIFIES THE STATE AND THE STATE RESCINDS MY LICENSE, WHICH IS I'M SURE HOW YOUR LICENSE WORKS ALSO AS AN ARCHITECT AND AN ENGINEER.
YOU, YOU SAID HOME BUILDERS, I'M ASSUMING YOU MEANT REAL ESTATE AGENT.
YES, UH, JACK, WE, I MEAN WE HAVE TO DO IT EVERY TWO YEARS.
EVERY EVERY TWO YEARS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I MEAN, I'M STILL FOR THAT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WITH, WITH THE, UH, REALTORS THAT THEY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT KEEPS IT ONLINE AND THEY AUTOMATICALLY CHECK UP AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OF, THOUSANDS OF, OF REALTORS OUT THERE THAT ARE, COULD DEFINITELY BE UNSCRUPULOUS, UH, EXCEPT THEY ARE SO AMAZINGLY KNOWLEDGEABLE.
BUT, UM, THERE'S MANY BUILDERS THAT I, I DON'T KNOW.
I JUST THINK IF WE COULD DO A SYSTEM LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HAVING A BACKGROUND CHECK, BUT IT, IF, IF WE COULD HAVE ONE THAT'S MORE PERPETUAL, LIKE THEY HAVE, UH, WERE Y'ALL ABLE TO LOOK INTO THAT SYSTEM AT ALL? UH, THIS IS JUST JOSEPH BERNAL WITH A, A BUILDING CHIEF FOR CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
UH, WE LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT MORE DETAIL ON IT, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT IN MIND AS WELL.
I THINK WE REQUIRE EVERY TWO YEARS.
WE REQUIRE EVERY TWO YEARS AS WELL.
SO, BUT IF WE COULD FIND A SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE USING FOR THAT, I MEAN THAT COULD BE AN OPTION FOR US AS WELL.
AND SO IN TALKING ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THE MEETING, UH, 'CAUSE MARK DID BRING THIS UP TO US A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE CODIFIED APPROACH, RIGHT? WE WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SUBMITTING OFFICIAL HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR A CRIMINAL HISTORY BACKGROUND AND, AND DO THAT DUE DILIGENCE.
I THINK IT'S MORE A PROCEDURAL OF HOW WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SET UP FOR THE, THE BUILDING CONTRACTORS WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND GET FINGERPRINTED AND GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS EVERY TWO YEARS TO GET THAT SEALED DOCUMENT TO US.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, IF WE NEED TO RE REWORD IT TO WHERE IT GIVES US MORE AVENUE OF, OF OPPORTUNITY WHERE IT'S STILL AN F B I BACKGROUND CHECK, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE GET IT SOME OTHER WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS AS WELL AND BRING THAT TO THE FULL BOARD.
BUT I THINK THE INTENT FOR US IS AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN F B I BACKGROUND CHECK
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IN SOME FORM OF CONTINUOUS CHECKING ON IT, WHETHER IT BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT T D L R DOES BOTH FOR MY LICENSE AND FOR MR. HENLEY'S LICENSE, THEN YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE THE STAFF HAS ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.SO IF WE NEED TO CODIFY THAT, THAT GIVES US THAT LEEWAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR.
YEAH, SO EVERY TWO YEARS PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE POST OFFICE OR GO STAND IN LINE AT THE POLICE OFFICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET THEIR FINGERPRINTS, SEND IT OFF TO THE F B I WAIT FOR IT TO COME BACK AND THEN COME BACK AND DELIVER IT TO YOU.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT WORDSMITHING THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE INTENT.
REALLY WHAT WE WANT IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, I NEED THE BACKGROUND CHECK.
WE THINK THE F B I BACKGROUND CHECK.
WE WANNA KEEP THAT ONE THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
BUT HOW WE RECEIVE THAT DOCUMENT FROM THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORD THAT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IF IT WORKS FOR THE STATE LEVEL, IT SHOULD WORK FOR US AS WELL AS LONG AS IT MEETS WITHIN OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES.
UH, ALSO, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL A LITTLE BIT AMBIGUOUS, THE I C C CERTIFICATION OR OTHER CERTIFICATIONS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
IF, IF WHEN MAYBE BY THE TIME WE TAKE THIS TO THE FULL BOARD, WE'D HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIST OR WHERE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK ABOUT, IT'S NOT FOR ME, BUT SAY A GUY THAT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR 20 YEARS IN THE HILL COUNTRY OR IN KERRVILLE OR WHEREVER COMES SAN ANTONIO AND WANTS TO BUILD A HOME, NOW HE'S GOTTA DO SOME, HE'S GOTTA GET CERTIFIED IN SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE HE WASN'T, EVEN THOUGH HE IS BEEN BUILDING FOR 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE CERTIFICATIONS OR WHERE WOULD THEY GET THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE 'EM? IS IT GONNA DETER THEM FROM ACTUALLY DOING A, A PROJECT EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 20 YEARS? SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON THAT FOR THOSE GUYS.
YEAH, AND THE WAY WE WE'D APPROACH THAT IS WE DON'T WANNA CODIFY A LONG LIST.
UH, WE WANNA CODIFY THE I R C, IT'S KIND OF BUILT INTO OUR, WITH THE CODE ADOPTION WE'RE DOING THROUGH, UH, WHAT WE WOULD DO IS BUILD THAT INTO THE APPLICATION FORM OF, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOME PRE-APPROVED ONES.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY, HEY, I GET IT.
LEMME SUBMIT THAT AND SEE IF IT GETS APPROVED OR NOT.
HERE'S A LIST THAT ALREADY BEEN PREAPPROVED AND KIND OF CHECKED OFF ON BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE SOME BEYOND THAT.
BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO BE MORE OF A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE FULL BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL TO GET UPDATED THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVES THESE AUTOMATICALLY.
IT'S THERE ON THE APPLICATION OR ON THE WEBSITE.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO KIND OF VET THAT AND HAVE THAT READY TO GO FOR THE FULL BOARD WHEN LOOKING AT THIS.
SO, UH, AS I TAKE IT FROM THE CHAIR AND THE COMMITTEE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OKAY WITH US SUBMITTING THIS LANGUAGE TO THE FULL BOARD FOR APPROVAL AT THIS TIME? WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE.
I, I REMAIN STEADFASTLY OPPOSED TO THE CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS.
I WON'T REPEAT ALL MY REASONING.
UM, BUT UH, UH, I APPRECIATE THE BRIEF, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT Y'ALL DID AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN A PREVIOUS MEETING.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO MAKE A, A OFFICIAL ATION.
YEAH, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS IT ONE LAST TIME WITH THE FULL BOARD, UM, MIKE.
YEAH, AND WE, WE DID HAVE, LIKE THE HEAD OF CASABA WAS THERE AND THERE WAS SEVERAL OF US IN THIS STAKEHOLDER.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS ON IT.
I I THINK YOU COULD TAKE SOME OF THESE ONLINE COURSES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE CERTIFIED, BUT WHAT ARE YOU REALLY CERTIFIED ABOUT? WHAT IS YOUR TRUE KNOWLEDGE BASE? WHAT ARE, DO YOU JUST, 'CAUSE YOU PASSED A COURSE ON ONLINE, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE A BUILDER NO MORE THAN OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDERS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE DIDDLY SQUAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CERTIFICATE.
DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING? DO THEY HAVE ANY NO, NO.
THEY'RE NOT REGISTERED WITH US AND THEY CAN BUILD A 20 STORY BUILDING IN SAN ANTONIO.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TELL A BUILDER GO TAKE A CERTIFIED CLASS.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S TRULY SERVING THE PURPOSE EXCEPT THAT WE SAID, HEY, TAKE ANOTHER COURSE.
SO, UM, SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE END OF THE AGENDA ITEMS. IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS? UH, THE ONLY OTHER ONE WAS, UH, AND ONCE AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN BRING THIS AROUND.
IT WAS JUST WE HAD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF THE HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR.
WE KIND OF SAID IF WE DON'T ADD SOME FORM OF CERTIFICATION, IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ADJUST THIS TOO MUCH.
'CAUSE REALLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TO BE OWNING A HOME BUILDER AND A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR IS $20.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY REAL REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE TWO IF WE DON'T ADD THIS CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT.
UH, BUT JUST SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE WANNA REMOVE ADDITION, UH, FROM IT, ADD ROOFS, BUT THEN REMOVE, UH, PORCHES, GARAGES, CARPORTS AND FALLOUT SHELTERS.
AND REALLY THIS LANGUAGE IS KIND OF HOW WE ENFORCE IT.
NOW WE KIND OF SAY, LOOK, IF YOU'RE A HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR, THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO IT WOULD REALLY JUST BE AMENDING IT TO, TO MEET THE CURRENT STAFFINGS, UM, APPROVAL OF WHAT A APPRO HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTOR IS AND WHAT DO, UM, SCOPE OF WORKS THEY COULD APPLY FOR.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA KIND OF TABLE THIS TO THE FULL BOARD, IT'D BE EASY ENOUGH TO JUST DO THAT ALL THE SAME TIME.
SO, UH, FOR THE FIRE CODE, THIS IS IT.
AND, AND JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY FOR THIS SUBCOMMITTEE.
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THAT, IS IT ENERGY CODE'S DONE? NO, THIS SUBCOMMITTEE'S A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT GROUP.SO, OR I'M SORRY, THIS COMMITTEE IS, UH, SO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE COMPLETED UNLESS Y'ALL WANTED TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS THE FIRE FIREWORKS OR DO WE WANT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH TAKING THAT TO THE FULL BOARD AND ADDRESSING IT? THE FULL BOARD? OKAY.
YEAH, SO I THINK REALLY THIS COMMITTEE'S WRAPPED UP EVERYTHING FOR I B C I F C I E C, OUR I E B C AND I R C REALLY WE'RE TAKING TO THE FULL BOARD THIS AGENDA ITEM, UM, AND THE FIREWORKS.
I THINK THAT'D BE THE ONLY THING THIS, THAT ISN'T BEEN AT LEAST APPROVED AND DISCUSSED THOROUGHLY WITH THIS COMMITTEE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THIS COMMITTEE.
WHAT WE HAVE LEFT AFTER THAT IS THE ENERGY CODE.
SO WE HAVE ENERGY CODE MEETING NEXT WEEK ON THE JUNE 9TH.
UH, POTENTIALLY HAVE A SECOND MEETING.
UH, THE, UH, WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE FOURTH MEETING ON THE 16TH IF NEEDED.
BUT IF WE WRAP EVERYTHING UP ON THE NINTH, THEN THAT WOULD BE CONCLUDING EVERYTHING FOR THE I CODES.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT MEETING, UH, REACHING OUT TO THE FULL BOARD AND GETTING SOME MEETINGS SCHEDULED EITHER LATE JUNE OR EARLY JULY TO START DOING FULL BOARD MEETINGS.
DID YOU SAY JUNE 16TH? JUNE 16TH IF WE NEED IT.
SO JUNE 9TH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT, OR IS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED.
UM, AND JUNE 16TH IS TECHNICALLY SCHEDULED AS WELL.
THERE'S 10 APACHES FLYING FROM EL PASO TO AUSTIN ON JUNE 16TH THAT I REALLY WANT TO GO WATCH COME IN
YEAH, WELL LIKE I SAID, I MEAN POTENTIALLY WE WILL BE WRAPPING UP ON THE SECOND.
UH, SO IF THAT DOES HAPPEN THEN, OR I'M SORRY, THE NINTH.
WHAT WAS THAT MARK? YEAH, WHEN ARE THE FULL BOARDS GONNA START GOING OVER THIS STUFF? 'CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO BEGIN TO GET THOSE ON OUR SCHEDULE.
SO WE ALL DON'T PLAN TO BE OUTTA TOWN WHEN YOU WANT TO HAVE, CORRECT.
YEAH, NO, I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH THE FULL BOARD TO MAKE SURE I HAVE IT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT LATE JUNE, EARLY JULY TIMEFRAME.
UH, I'LL BE WORKING ON THAT PROBABLY THIS WEEK.
'CAUSE I GO OFF INTO CONFERENCE NEXT WEEK AND I WON'T BE HERE.
SO MY GOAL IS TO AT LEAST HAVE THE FIRST MEETING SCHEDULED, BUT PROBABLY, PROBABLY GET THREE SCHEDULED JUST TO BE SAFE.
UM, AND WE'LL BE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON THE I CODES.
I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE DONE WITH THE SIGN CODES AT THAT TIME.
SO IS THE SIGN, UH, MEETING STILL TOMORROW MORNING? YES.
DO WE HAVE, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE TO POST THAT ONE? YEAH, WE'LL JUST HAVE THIS ONE HERE FOR A SECOND SO THAT ANYBODY WATCHING FROM HOME, BUT SAME INFORMATION I'VE PROVIDED MANY OTHER TIMES, SO I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY UR KNOW THAT.