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FUNCTION THAT WAY.[3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
YES.I'VE CALLED TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JUNE 29TH, 2022.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE, FISH HERE.
MOTION, I MEAN WE HAVE A QUORUM.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING.
INTERPRET THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY.
IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.
FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY.
APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS.
ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN OBTAIN IN MAINTAINING ORDER.
THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
AND AGAIN, UH, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY DELAYED IN GETTING STARTED.
UM, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING, WE THINK THAT THE, UM, THE THUNDERSTORM CAUSED THE BUILDING TO LOSE POWER JUST ENOUGH YESTERDAY TO CAUSE SOME PROBLEMS WITH OUR, OUR AUDIO CONNECTION HERE.
UM, SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO THE LIVE STREAM AND HAVE AN IN-PERSON MEETING THAT WE'RE LIVE STREAMING SO THAT YOU CAN VIEW ONLINE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT HAVE PLANNED TO PRESENT VIRTUALLY.
UM, AND SO I TYPED THIS MESSAGE TO THEM AND NOW THAT WE'RE LIVE STREAMING, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'RE WATCHING, I'M GONNA REPEAT IT.
UM, SORRY FOR EVERYONE IN THE ROOM FOR HEARING THIS AGAIN, UM, BUT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PRINT PRESENT VIRTUALLY TODAY AS PLANNED.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GO AHEAD AND START THE IN-PERSON MEETING LIKE WE NORMALLY WOULD.
UM, WE WILL GO THROUGH CASES ON THE INCIDENT AGENDA.
WE WILL LISTEN TO VOICEMAILS AND PUBLIC ITEMS FOR THOSE CASES, AFTER WHICH COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO PULL ANY OF THOSE CASES FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION.
UM, AFTER THAT HAPPENS, WE WILL KNOW WHICH ITEMS WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY TODAY.
UM, SO THAT'LL BE ITEMS 14 THROUGH 19 IN ADDITION TO ANY ITEMS ON CONSENT THAT ARE PULLED FOR IN INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION.
UM, IF YOUR ITEM IS PULLED AND YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY TODAY, WE WANNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF OPTIONS TO PRESENT.
UM, YOU CAN TRY TO ATTEND IN PERSON.
SO WE'RE IN THE BOARDROOM IN 1901 SOUTH ALAMO FIRST FLOOR.
UM, SO YOU'LL JUST NEED TO MAKE YOUR WAY HERE.
UM, WE WILL WAIT, UM, IF WE THINK YOU'RE COMING TO HEAR YOUR CASE UNTIL YOU'RE HERE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IN PERSON AND PLEASE EITHER, UM, MAKE A NOTE HERE IN THE THE CHAT IN THE WEBEX OR EMAIL YOUR CASE MANAGER TO LET US KNOW
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WHAT YOUR PLAN IS.UM, OPTION TWO IS TO, UH, RECEIVE A PHONE CALL.
UM, SO WE WILL CALL YOU AT THE NUMBER PROVIDED EITHER IN YOUR APPLICATION OR IF YOU GIVE US A DIFFERENT NUMBER, WE'LL CALL THAT.
WE'LL SIMPLY PUT YOU ON SPEAKER PHONE HERE, UM, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE AND HEAR FROM YOU AT THAT TIME.
UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU'RE WATCHING ON THE LIVE STREAM, THERE IS ABOUT A 15 SECOND DELAY, SO IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO TO KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE LOOKING AT WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
UM, SO PREFERENCE IS IN PERSON IF YOU'RE ABLE TO MAKE IT.
UM, AND WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEMS ON THE CONSIDERED AGENDA.
UM, LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM,
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ACTUALLY, EXCUSE ME, WE NEED ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS HEARING.MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE 15 JUNE MEETING.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
YOU.OKAY, AND NOW AGENDA? YEAH, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE LIST ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 ON CONSENT.
UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS ON THOSE, SO WE WILL PLAY THOSE AT THIS TIME.
EDWARD, ITEM NUMBER 3 4 21 4 23 SOUTH ALAMO, TEXAS 7 8 2 OH.
MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4.
THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM 3 4 23 SOUTH ALAMO STREET.
THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONTINUES TO DISAGREE WITH THE ASSERTION THAT THE MASSING OF THE NEW STRUCTURE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE BLOCK.
THE HIGH RISE SECTION IS SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN ALL EXISTING BUILDINGS, INCLUDING THE HOTEL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ARSEN NEGA.
SECONDLY, WE RECOMMEND PRIORITIZING THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE FOR THIS SECTION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, INCLUDING MAINTENANCE OF A STRONG PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE COURTYARD OF THE GERMAN ENGLISH SCHOOL AND REDUCING THE AUTOMOBILE FOCUS AT THE HOTEL ENTRANCE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIGNITY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 5 2 LOCATED AT 6 0 9 HAY STREET.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THAT THE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH MATERIAL SHOULD BE USED OVER DECKING MATERIAL IF COMPOSITE ONE BY THREE IS PREFERRED OVER WOOD.
THE ONLY MANUFACTURER THAT SELLS THIS IN SAN ANTONIO IS TIMBER TECH ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE PORCH FLOORING.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIG WHITTY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 3 6 LOCATED AT 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST IN SECTION F.
IT STATES THAT THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO FINALIZE THE INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE TEXT.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHOM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ARE THEY WORKING WITH.
THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING WAS THIS PAST MONDAY ON JUNE 27TH AND THIS TOPIC WAS NOT BROUGHT UP.
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PRESENTED IN ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS OR COMMUNICATED IN ANY WAY.CAN THE APPLICANT PLEASE CONTACT THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO SHARE ALL FEEDBACK WITH THE COMMUNITY? THANK YOU.
ITEM EIGHT I 10, THE WEST AGARITA.
THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 3 3 7, UH, FOR FREDERICKSBURG ROAD RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS FROM I 10 WESTBOUND TO WEST AGARITA.
I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF N P N A AND OF THE N P A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE THE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS PROPOSING FOR FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, SPECIFICALLY THE AREA IN FRONT OF AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM COOL CREST.
N P N A HAS ADVOCATED FOR RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS AREA FOR DECADES, AND IT'S GREAT TO FINALLY SEE A SIDEWALK BE INSO INSTALLED TO PROVIDE A COMPLETE PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY AVAILABILITY ON THE FREDERICKSBURG ROAD CORRIDOR.
THIS WILL BE CONNECTING ALL THE VIA PRIMO BUS STOPS, UPPER AND LOWER FREDERICKSBURG ROAD AND PROVIDE A COMPLETE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION TO THE TRAIL SYSTEM AT MARTINEZ CREEK.
WE SUPPORT THE CITY'S APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, BUT RESPECTFULLY REQUEST H D R C TO INCLUDE A STIPULATION FOR AN ANTI GRAFFITI COATING TO BE ADDED TO THE RETAINING WALL DECORATIVE PRECAST CONCRETE WALL TO BE INSTALLED IN FRONT OF COOL CREST TO AID EMITS PROTECTION AND EASE OF ANY FUTURE REMOVAL OF GRAFFITI.
THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING OUR COMMENTS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS, UH, CHARLES KESSEL.
I'M LOOKING TO LEAVE A MESSAGE REGARDING THE PROPERTY OF TWO 50.
THIS IS ITEM 20 22 3 3 3 ON THE HEARING ON THE 29TH.
UM, I'M OPPOSED TO GETTING THIS PERMIT, UH, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UM, THAT THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR GOING AT LEAST TWO YEARS, PROBABLY CLOSER TO THREE WITH VERY LITTLE, UH, PROGRESS AND, UH, BASICALLY IT'S AN EYESORE AND NOBODY LIVES IN IT.
UM, VAGRANTS HAVE HAD TO BEEN REMOVED FROM THEIR, FROM LIVING IN THEIR BACKYARD, UM, UNTIL HE DOES SOMETHING, SOME PROGRESS TO THAT HOUSE.
I MEAN, I, I CAN'T SEE GRANTING THEM PERMITS TO, UH, TO, TO, TO CONTINUE SOMETHING THAT HE HASN'T EVEN STARTED.
UM, EXCUSE ME, NOT STARTED, BUT HASN'T, HASN'T FINISHED.
SO, UM, SO I'M OPPOSED TO THIS.
THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 3 3 3.
THE ADDRESS, TWO 50 MARY LOUISE DRIVE.
I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE N P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME AND WE SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A 1,170 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND TO MODIFY THE EXISTING PARAPET WALL TO EXTEND IT TO THE NEW STRUCTURE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND SUPPORT.
THIS CASE REMAINING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE GARAGE WILL BE 28 FEET RECESSED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE VOLUME SIDE OF THE HOME, AND WE FIND THE MASSING AND SCALING APPROPRIATE TO THE MAIN HOME AND THE OVERALL HALF ACRE SITE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE THANK THE HOMEOWNER FOR HIS COMMITMENT TO PRESERVE, RESTORE, AND PROVIDE APPROPRIATE INFILL FOR THIS HISTORIC HOME IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING OUR COMMENTS ON THIS CASE.
ITEM 11 20 23 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE.
YES, THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 H C R C CASE 20 22 3 3 2 3 WEST GRAMERCY.
I'M CHAIR OF THE THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMICS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
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WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SPEAKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES AND SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH AND CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO THE HOME.LOCATED AT 2 0 2 3 WEST GRAMERCY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS STATED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE THANK THE OWNER FOR ACCEPTING STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH WILL NOT ALLOW VINYL WINDOWS, FINAL WINDOWS A STANDARD WHICH IS IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS.
THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING OUR COMMENTS ON THIS CASE.
UH, I AM CO-OWNER, UH, AT SWEAT EQUITY INFRARED SAUNAS AT 8 0 9 SOUTH ST.
UH, WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, KEVIN'S PROJECT AT 3 2 3 REIO.
UH, THEY'RE GR GREAT NEIGHBORS AND, UH, WE SUPPORT ALL THE PLANS THEY HAVE.
THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS THAT WE HAVE FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1119 THROUGH 1145 AVENUE B 33 0 4 BROADWAY, 4 21 THROUGH 4 31 SOUTH ALAMO, 6 0 9 HAYES, TWO 12 NORTH ALAMO, FOUR 19 SOUTH HACKBERRY, 8 0 3 NORTH CHERRY, UH, FREDERICKSBURG ROAD I 10 WEST TO WEST AGARITA TWO 50, MARY LOUISE, 7 22 LAMAR, 2023 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE, 2 27 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE AND 3 23 REIO.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT, DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, DO WE HAVE SONNY DIAZ HERE? OH, PERFECT.
GO AHEAD EDWARD EDWARD'S GONNA READ THE CASE AND THEN I'LL, WE WILL CALL YOU UP.
SORRY THIS COMPUTER'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
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READY NOW.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022, UH, 3 3 5 7 24 NORTH PINE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 955 SQUARE FEET AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AT 7 24 NORTH PINE LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE A DECK ATTACHED TO THE NORTH FACADE AND A COVERED CARPORT ATTACHED TO THE WEST FACADE.
THIS STORE AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ISSUED FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT THE JULY 15TH, 2020 H D R C.
HEARING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH EYE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE THE PROPOSED CORE 10 CORRUGATED SIDING, POLYCARBONATE ROOFING, AND CORRUGATED ROOFING.
AS THESE MATERIALS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND ARE NOT FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
IN RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD OR COMPOSITE SIDING AND A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF AND PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
SIDING SHOULD FEATURE A HORIZONTAL PROFILE THAT FEATURES FOUR INCH IN FOUR INCH EXPOSURE AND SMOOTH FINISH.
IF COMPOSITE, A BOARD AND BATTEN PROFILE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH BOARDS FEATURING 12 WIDTH AND BATTENS FEATURING ONE AND A HALF INCHES IN WIDTH STANDING.
SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRAMPED RIDGE SEAM OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP AND A STANDARD GAL LOON FINISH FOR RIDGE CAP IS USED.
IT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO O H B STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN END CAP.
UH, TWO THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD OR ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A FIBERGLASS WINDOW MAY BE APP APPROPRIATE PROVIDED IT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS.
AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROPOSED FIXED RECTANGULAR WINDOWS TO FEATURE A PROFILE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WINDOW PROFILES ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UH, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO ENSURE THAT ROOFING MATERIALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH APPROVED DESIGN, WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN AND INDUSTRIAL RIDGE CAP IS NOT TO BE USED.
UH, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC
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COMMENT FOR THIS.UH, WHEN THAT TIME COMES, THE APPLICANT, SUNNY DIAZ IS HERE.
WILL YOU COME AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF? HELLO.
I'M THE HOMEOWNER AT 7 24 NORTH PINE STREET AND MY HUSBAND AND I ARE, UM, TRYING TO BUILD A, A CARPORT AND GARAGE IN OUR BACKYARD.
UM, REALLY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS THERE THAT WAS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE THAT, UM, WE GOT APPROVAL FROM YOU GUYS TO DEMO.
UM, SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU OUR CONTEXT.
SO WE'RE ON PINE STREET BETWEEN NOLAN AND BURNETT, AND SOME IMAGES ON THE RIGHT ARE SHOWING YOU OUR, OUR MAIN HOUSE, WHICH WE'RE NOT TOUCHING.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE STREET THE GARAGE IS, UM, SET BACK FROM THE STREET PRETTY FAR THERE.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM THREE PHOTOS ON THE RIGHT ARE, WERE THE EXISTING GARAGE AND CARPORT TO SHOW YOU THE, THE FLAT ROOF OF THE CARPORT AND THE GABLE SHAPE OF THE GARAGE.
UM, MATERIALS THAT WERE THERE.
UM, PREVIOUSLY, UM, IT WAS A CORRUGATED, UM, METAL BUILDING WITH A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF.
THERE WERE SOME POLYCARBONATE PANELS ON THERE FOR THE ROOF TO ALLOW SOME DAYLIGHT IN, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO THE MATERIALS THAT I'M PROPOSING TO USE IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION NEXT.
UM, SO THE TWO DIAGRAMS IN THE LEFT JUST SHOW YOU THE SHAPE AND FORM OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, COMPARED TO THE, THE PROPOSED NEW STRUCTURE HERE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, VERY SIMPLE SAME FLAT ROOF CORE PART WITH A GABLED, UH, GARAGE BUILDING THERE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THE ONE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY STANDING IN OUR YARD.
UM, OBVIOUSLY HEIGHTS I THINK NO ISSUE.
IT'S MUCH LOWER THAN THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE THERE.
NEXT, UM, THIS IS A, A BREAKDOWN OF, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE, THE BUILDING.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS CLOT IT WITH A CORRUGATED METAL SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS EXISTING EXCEPT IN A, UM, A CORE TIN, UM, METAL FINISH.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY DURABLE, UM, IN THE BACKYARD AND SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GONNA LAST A LONG TIME.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATIONS ON THE RIGHT HERE WITH THE, THE CORIN WRAPPING AROUND, UH, FACING THE BACKYARD ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE SOME, UH, WOOD SIDING, UM, OF A, A CEDAR SPECIES AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE IMAGES BELOW OR, UM, EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THOSE MATERIALS, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ELEVATION.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BIT OF A CLEAR CORRUGATED ROOFING THERE.
UH, SO, UM, UH, THE BOTTOM ELEVATION HERE, YOU'LL SEE, UM, THERE'S CLEAR CORRUGATED MATERIAL USED IN TWO LOCATIONS AND ONE IS ON THE ROOF OVER THE, UM, THE BATHROOM AND OUTDOOR SHOWER AREA WHERE YOU CAN SEE THERE.
AND THEN JUST OVER THE WOOD SIDING THAT FACES THE BACKYARD.
UM, THIS IS A NON-CON UNCONDITION SPACE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, THERE ARE TWO THINGS MY HAS BEEN ASKED ME TO KEEP IN MIND, AND ONE WAS HAVING IT, UM, YOU KNOW, A SECURE SPACE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE WINDOWS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S FACING SIDE, YOU KNOW, KEEP THOSE, UM, UP HIGH WITH A COUPLE OPERA BOWLS, UM, DOWN LOW FOR HIM TO LET SOME, UM, UH, AIR VENTILATION, UH, IN THE SPACE.
AND SO BOTTOM ELEVATION, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF CLEAR CORRUGATED SIDING AS WELL JUST TO LET SOME MORE DAYLIGHT INTO THE SPACE.
UM, THESE ARE SOME, UH, PRECEDENT IMAGES OF, OF WHAT THE BUILDING MAY LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
ON THE TOP LEFT, YOU'LL SEE, UM, SOME WOOD CLOT DOORS.
SO, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE COMING IN AND OUTTA THAT OUTDOOR SHOWER ON THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A LITTLE STUDIO IN HERE.
SO WE DO HAVE, UM, ONE SLIDING GLASS DOOR THERE WITH NICE VIEWS INTO THE GARDEN IN THE BACKYARD.
UM, THE BOTTOM IMAGE ON THE LEFT, COULD YOU KNOW WHAT THE, OUR INTENT IS FOR THE CARPORT? UH, SIMPLE METAL COLUMNS, UM, WHICH MATCHED THE EXISTING, UM, METAL COLUMNS THAT WERE THERE THAT JUST OPEN UP INTO THE YARD.
UM, AND THEN BOTTOM MIDDLE IMAGE IS AN EXAMPLE OF A CORTEN, UM, PROJECT HERE IN TEXAS FOR, UH, UH, MATERIAL PALETTE.
AGAIN, THE COR TIN, SOME CLEAR CORRUGATED, UH, PURELY FOR DAYLIGHTING.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF SALVAGE MATERIALS FOR THE PROJECT? AND I THINK I HAVE A SLIDE LATER ON, BUT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BRICKS THAT WERE SALVAGED FROM THE GARAGE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS ON OUR PREVIOUS REVIEW.
SO WE'VE SAVED A, A NUMBER OF THOSE MATERIALS TO REUSE IN THE PROJECT.
UM, WOOD DECK ON THE RIGHT IS A, A SMALL DECK THAT LOOKS OVER A VEGETABLE GARDEN COMING OFF OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY BUTTERFLY GARDENS, METAL ROOF, AND THEN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REUSE THE EXISTING, UH, CONCRETE, UH, DRIVEWAY.
NEXT, UM, SITE PLAN FOR USE, IT JUST SHOWS THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE REQUIRED SETBACKS BY CODE AND THEN A, A FLOOR PLAN, BIG OPEN GARAGE, UM, BATHROOM TO THE RIGHT.
UM, SO ON MY, ONE OF MY LAST REVIEWS,
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UM, THE, UM, THE COMMISSION ASKED ME TO TAKE A LOOK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK FOR SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT ARE USED WITHIN DIGNITY HILL.SO I'VE WALKED ALL THE BLOCKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TOOK PHOTOS OF, UM, THOSE EXISTING MATERIALS, UM, AND TRIED TO TAKE NOTE OF THE ADDRESSES THAT I FOUND THEM AT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WITHIN THE HISTORIC, UM, BOUNDARIES AND SO A NUMBER OF MATERIALS FOUND THERE.
THESE ARE ON, UM, SOME OF THE HISTORIC HOUSES AND OF COURSE THE NEW TUR MARK BUILDING.
SO, UM, ONE THING THAT, UM, IS REALLY COMMON IS THE, THE ROOFING MATERIAL, UM, IS A WEATHER OF A WEATHERED, UM, METAL FINISH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT CORIN BEING RELATED TO A LOT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I HAVE A FEW SLIDES TO SHOW THAT.
UM, THESE ARE A COUPLE OF NEW PROJECTS THAT WERE RECENTLY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WITHIN THE LAST, UM, HANDFUL OF YEARS.
UH, THIS STRUCTURE AT NINE 16 NORTH MESQUITE STREET, UM, IS A CORRUGATED, UM, GABLE, UH, FOR THE SIDING.
AND HE'S ALSO GOT SOME, UM, CEDAR WOOD CODDING ON THE BUILDING AS WELL, REALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT, UM, I'D BE DOING IN OUR BACKYARD HERE.
UH, NEXT, UM, THIS IS JUST SHOWING, UH, ANOTHER, UH, NEW BUILD HOUSE.
THIS IS, UM, 1103 PINE STREET SHOWING THE CORRUGATED, UH, METAL WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON, ON NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NEXT, UM, YEAH, SO OTHER, OTHER METAL FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO, UM, SHOW THAT THE, THE MATERIAL DOES EXIST, UM, WITHIN THE BLOCKS ADJACENT TO OUR HOUSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT SAME WEATHERED METAL ROOF AND THE CORRUGATED, UH, METAL CLADDING AND ANOTHER STRUCTURE OF 5 28 NOLAN.
UM, THEY HAVE MORE OF WHAT'S UM, CALLED A FLAT SEAM METAL SIDING THERE.
UM, YEAH, SOME OTHER, UH, CORRUGATED METAL, UH, FOUND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, 2 32 NORTH MESQUITES, A RECENTLY RENOVATED BUILDING WITH SOME CORRUGATED METAL GARAGE DOORS THAT OPEN UP INTO THAT SPACE.
UH, 1 0 2 SHERMAN, UM, 4 32 NORTH HACKBERRY.
THE 4 32 NORTH HACKBERRY IS A, A PAINTED CORRUGATED, UM, METAL SIDING, BUT REALLY, UM, UH, SIMILAR MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND.
UH, CONTINUING THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, UH, IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT, 1122 BURNETT STREET.
THAT IS A GARAGE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, WHICH IS REALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IN OUR BACKYARD.
AND IT'S GOT GALVANIZED, UM, CORRUGATED METAL ON THAT STRUCTURE AND A COUPLE OTHER PRECEDENTS FOUND WITHIN THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT JUST OF USING A CORRUGATED, UH, METAL MATERIAL.
UM, I CAN PROBABLY REPEAT THE SAME STATEMENT, BUT HERE'S A COUPLE MORE EXAMPLES WHERE IT'S USED OUTSIDE OF BUILDINGS AND, UM, I FOUND IT WAS REALLY COMMON THAT FOLKS ARE USING IT ON THE SKIRTING OF THEIR HOUSES AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE, UM, EDGE CONDITIONS OF OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS REALLY UNIQUE, UM, TO THE NORTH OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE GOT THE, THE RAIL YARD COMPLEX.
UM, AND SO DOCUMENTING SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BIT OF INFLUENCE ON, ON OUR ARCHITECTURAL, UM, MATERIALS FOUND.
UM, THIS IS WHERE I'M SEEING THE, UM, CLEAR CORRUGATED, UM, MATERIAL COMING IN, PROBABLY USED FOR DAYLIGHTING WINDOWS MAY HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BUILDING AND, UM, USE THAT TO GET DAYLIGHTING IN.
AND THEN WE ALSO SEE, UH, A REPEAT OF THAT, UM, UH, CORE TIN OR WEATHERED METAL MATERIAL BEING USED AS WELL.
UM, NEW PROJECT, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH ALAMO BREWERY, WHERE THEY USED A A COR TIN CORRUGATED METAL PANELS.
THOSE HAVE BIGGER RIBS THAN THE, THE PROFILE THAT I'M LOOKING AT USING.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL.
IT'S BEEN REALLY DURABLE THERE SINCE THEY'VE OPENED.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, ALWAYS BEING INSPIRED BY THE HAY STREET BRIDGE, WHICH HAS WEATHERED METAL AS WELL, AND THAT'S A, A REALLY FUN PLACE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES TO GATHER.
UM, SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU GUYS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WAS HOW MUCH MATERIAL COULD BE SALVAGED FROM THE PREVIOUS STRUCTURE.
UM, SO I DOCUMENTED THAT 114 SALVAGED ALAMO BRICKS WITH MORE OF THE ORANGE, UM, COLOR ABLE TO BE SALVAGED.
THERE WERE ABOUT 10 SALVAGED MEXICAN BRICKS AND, UH, THREE WOOD DOORS.
THERE WERE THE FIVE, UM, WITH FIVE PANELS SIMILAR TO THAT IMAGE THERE.
UM, AND ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, TWO IMAGES WERE THE, UH, BARN DOORS FROM THE STRUCTURE.
UM, I'D, I'D HAVE TO CUT SOME OF THE BOTTOM OF THE WOOD OFF, BUT THE REST SEEMED TO BE IN PRETTY DECENT CONDITION.
IT'S AROUND 200 LINEAR FEET AND I'M PROPOSING TO USE THOSE ON THE, THE SWINGING DOORS INTO THE BATHROOM AND HOPEFULLY HAVE ENOUGH TO CLO THE BACK WALL OF THE BATHROOM.
SO THE WINDOW SPECS THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ARE THE PELLA IMPERIA WINDOWS.
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NO NAILING FINS.I KNOW THE NAILING FINS PUSHES THE WINDOWS TO THE FRONT OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING WHERE IT ALIGNS WITH THE SIDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIKE IT TO MATCH.
I TOOK SOME DIMENSIONS OF MY, MY MAIN HOUSE AND THOSE ARE INSET BY TWO INCHES.
SO BY USING THE BLOCK, UM, UH, STYLE OF WINDOWS, I'LL BE ABLE TO RECESS THOSE TO MATCH THE SAME, UH, CONDITION THAT'S FOUND ON OUR HOUSE.
UM, HERE'S A CUT SHEET OF THOSE WINDOWS AND HIGHLIGHTING WHICH ONES AND WHICH COLORS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE THE DARKER, UM, BLACK FINISH.
AND THAT'S THE CAD DETAILS FOR THE SERIES.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL? YES, WE DO.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 3 5 LOCATED AT 7 2 4 NORTH PINE.
WE AGREE WITH O P'S FINDINGS AND ENCOURAGE THE USE OF WOOD SIDING THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING HOUSE OR HARDY BOARD VERSUS THE CORDON CORRUGATED SIDING.
WE ALSO DO NOT AGREE WITH THE POLYCARBONATE AND CORRUGATED ROOFING.
FIBERGLASS DOORS AND WINDOWS SHOULD BE SUBSTITUTED WITH WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.
WE ALSO AGREE THAT THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED FIXED WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
DO YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? OKAY.
THERE'S ALSO A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE DIGNITY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKETS.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.
MR. COMMISSIONER, MINOR UHHUH, PRETTY SIMPLE.
UM, FOR STAFF, DO WE KNOW, DOES THE SANDBORN MAP SHOW WHEN THAT GARAGE WAS, WAS WAS UP RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE? UM, LET ME LOOK TO SEE IN STAFF'S FINDINGS.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THERE, BUT MAYBE I MISSED IT.
IT, UM, I MAY NOT HAVE INCLUDED THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE COMMISSION ISSUED FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE, UH, CURRENT OR EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN 2020.
UH, SO THAT'S, UH, NOT PART OF THE REQUEST.
YEAH, IT WASN'T IN THE 1912, I KNOW THAT 1950S, I THINK IT STILL WASN'T THERE, BUT THERE WAS JUST AN ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AT THAT TIME.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING MAYBE SIXTIES TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND AGAIN, MAYBE I MISSED IT ON, ON YOUR PRESENTATION, HOW VISIBLE IS THE GARAGE FROM THE, THE STREET? YEAH, IF YOU GO TO THE FIRST STREET, IT'S NOT VERY VISIBLE AT ALL.
UM, YEAH, THANKS FOR ZOOMING IN THERE.
IT'S SET BACK, LIKE I THINK ON MY SITE PLAN, I HAVE A DIMENSION OF HOW FAR FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IT IS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, IT'S A CHAIN LINK, UH, GATE IN FRONT OF IT AND I'D LOVE TO REPLACE IT WITH THE WOOD FENCE AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.
AND SO IT IS, THIS IS FOR STAFF.
IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THEN THAT MATERIALS THAT ARE USED IN THAT GARAGE ARE THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS TO THAT BUILDING, TO THAT STRUCTURE? CORRECT.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME.
IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT GARAGE, UH, UM, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THE MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND ON THAT GARAGE ARE MOST LIKELY THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS TO THAT GARAGE, GIVE OR TAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IT NEVER HAD ANY OF THE WOOD SIDING OR ANYTHING THAT WE'RE ASKING THE STAFF IS ASKING FOR HER TO DO? RIGHT.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, THE ORIGINAL GARAGE FEATURED WOOD SIDING, UM, AND SONNY, YOU CAN CLARIFY, UM, THAT YOU'RE ABLE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SALVAGE SOME SIDING.
IT WASN'T THE SIDING, IT WAS ACTUALLY TWO SLIDING WOOD BARN DOORS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN AND THAT WAS THE WOOD COLLIDING, UH, THAT WAS FOUND.
SO NOT SIDING, BUT JUST IN OPERABLE DOORS.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS I'M TRYING TO JUST FIGURE OUT WHAT EXACTLY IS ORIGINAL AND WHAT IS NOT ORIGINAL UHHUH
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, THANK YOU.
I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THIS SCHEME.
I THINK IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL, UM, INTERPRETATION OF, UH, WITH USING CONTEMPORARY MATERIALS FOR SOME OF THE, UM, UH, THINGS THAT ARE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A TRANSLATION IN TIME AND, AND TECHNOLOGY THAT'S TAKING PLACE, BUT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN ALL THE FACTORS THAT THIS IS SO FAR BACK ON THE SITE, UM, AND HAS SUCH LITTLE IMPACT, I THINK, UH, IN THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I HAVE ONLY KIND OF ONE CAUTIONARY COMMENT ABOUT THE POLYCARBONATE ROOF MM-HMM.
JUST THAT TRANSITION FROM THE METAL ROOF TO
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THE, UH, POLYCARBONATE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG-TERM MM-HMM.AND SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIMPLIFY THINGS JUST FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT RATHER THAN FROM MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL SELECTION, BUT THAT WOULD BE MM-HMM.
I'M, I'M WONDERING IF THOSE COULD BE TRANSLATED INTO PAIRS OF SQUARE WINDOWS JUST TO KIND OF BEGIN TO GET SORT OF BACK TO MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE HISTORIC PROPORTIONS MM-HMM.
BUT STILL GIVING YOU THAT KIND OF LONG LINEAR MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AS, AS A WAY OF FINDING KIND OF A HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN KIND OF A MORE HISTORIC PROPORTION AND THE CONTEMPORARY KIND MORE HORIZONTALLY ORIENTED MM-HMM.
BUT OTHER THAN THOSE TWO COMMENTS, I THINK I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS.
I THINK IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL PROJECT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I WOULD ECHO COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER'S THOUGHTS? I, I HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THE POLYCARBONATE BECAUSE THE CONTEXT IS, WELL, IT, IT, TO ME, THIS IS NOT AN INTRODUCTION, IT'S AN INTRODUCTION OF A NEW MATERIAL IN, IN A, IN A WAY THAT ISN'T, ISN'T THE SAME FOR ME AS THE CORRUGATED MATERIAL.
CORRUGATED MATERIAL HAD A PRESENCE ON THE SITE.
I ALSO HAVE SOME TECHNICAL CONCERNS ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, MARRY THOSE TWO MATERIALS TOGETHER.
UM, A A PROPORTION I'D FIND A SQUARE PROPORTION MORE APPROPRIATE, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE GANGED AND I, WHETHER THEY'RE GANGED IN PAIRS OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE MM-HMM.
IT JUST, IT JUST MORE CLOSELY APPROXIMATES WHAT'S FOUND.
THOSE WOULD BE VISIBLE OVER THE FENCE LINE.
SO, UHHUH, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS.
I WOULD CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, UM, SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE POLYCARBONATE ON THE, ON THE ROOF.
AND THEN I THINK SQUARE WINDOWS WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH, UH, THE CONTEXT FOR THOSE INSTEAD OF THOSE HORIZONTAL AWNING WINDOWS, UHHUH
THE THREE, OR PAIRED OR MM-HMM.
THE, UM, IT, IT IS A TRICKY DETAILING WHEN WE USE THE POLYCARBONATE AND TRANSITION FROM THAT STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF.
IT WOULD HAVE TO STEP DOWN TO SIT ON THE STUDS AND IT IS THE KIND OF OUTDOOR BATHROOM AREA, SO THE REST OF THE GARAGE WOULD BE PROTECTED.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS WEATHERPROOFED EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNCONDITIONED TO KEEP THE MOISTURE AND WATER OUT IN THE WALL ASSEMBLY.
UM, AND ONE THING WE DO WHEN WE USE IT IN, IN ROOFING SYSTEMS IS TYPICALLY DOUBLE LAP THE RIBS AND NOT JUST A SINGLE LAP.
SO THAT HELPS JUST KEEP WATER OUT OF THE STRUCTURE.
DID YOU EXPLORE POSSIBLY PUTTING IN A SMALL SKYLIGHT IN THE METAL ROOF AS OPPOSED TO ADDING THE CORRUGATED? YOU KNOW, I DID EARLY ON AND I HAD A COUPLE IN THE GARAGE AND, UM, I WAS JUST CONCERNED THE COST WOULD BE GETTING A LITTLE HIGH 'CAUSE IT IS STILL OUR GARAGE AND NOT OUR MAIN HOUSE.
UH, AND THAT, THAT'S ONE THING THAT, UM, DROVE ME TO DOING IT JUST ON THE ROOF AND THEN ON THE UPPER WALL THROUGH THE GARAGE.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT A MOTION.
AND I MIGHT NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP CLEANING IT UP, BUT, UH, APPROVE, UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE TO READ THAT THE APPLICANT ELIMINATE THE PROPOSED POLYCARBONATE ROOFING AND THAT STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 24 INCHES WIDE.
SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP.
UH, AND, UH, STANDARD, A GALONE FINISH FOR RIDGE CAP IS USED AT, MUST BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND SHOULD NOT FEATURE AN END CAP.
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APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS OF THE FIBERGLASS WINDOW, WHICH I BELIEVE IS PROPOSED.IF THAT MEETS THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A APPROVED BY STAFF.
IS THAT TRUE STAFF? UH, GENERALLY, I MEAN THE, THE PRIMARY THING THAT, UM, IN STAFF'S COMMENTS, THE ONE OVER ONE PROFILE IS APPROPRIATE.
UH, IT WAS, AND WE'VE COMMENTED ON IT DOWN BELOW, BUT THE ACTUAL PROFILE OF THE RECTANGULAR WINDOWS, UH, IS GENERALLY OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND.
UH, BUT BASED ON THE, UH, THE CUT SHEETS, I WOULD NEED A MEET A NEED, UH, EXCUSE ME, NEED A MEETING RAIL DIMENSION.
UH, BUT BASED ON THE DIMENSIONS HERE, I THINK THESE ARE GENERALLY APPROPRIATE WITH THE TOP AND BOTTOM RAIL THAT ARE CONSISTENT IN, IN DIMENSION.
THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION THERE.
SO STIPULATION TWO IS AS, UH, WRITTEN BY STAFF AND STAFF CAN REVIEW THE MEETING RAIL TO ME.
AND THEN, UH, THE INCLUSION OF STIPULATION THREE THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED, UH, RECTANGULAR WINDOWS, THE HORIZONTALLY RECTANGULAR WINDOWS MM-HMM.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.
YOU HAVE MOTION A SECOND? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 3 43 ADDRESS, 6 0 6 LABOR STREET.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH VINYL.
UM, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS THAT, UM, WERE REMOVED IF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS WERE NOT AVAILABLE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE HOME WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO EXISTING FI FENESTRATIONS.
THE APPLICANT, UH, TIM ROGERS IS HERE.
DID YOU HAVE THE NEW SPEC SHEET WINDOWS OR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS OR SHE SENT YOU A SECOND EMAIL WITH THE NEW SPECS? SHE HAD JUST ACCIDENTALLY SENT YOU THE WRONG ONE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WRONG, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
WE'RE JUST, UH, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, JUST YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
TIM ROGERS WITH JONES CONSTRUCTION.
UH, I JUST CAME ON THIS PROJECT ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO.
WE HAD A PREVIOUS APPROVAL TO REMODEL THIS STRUCTURE.
UH, WE'RE DOING THREE BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE IF APPROVED.
UH, WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME WINDOWS IN ALL THREE BUILDINGS.
UM, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE APPROVED FOR, UH, REPAIR, I'M TOLD, TOLD THAT THOSE WERE IRREPARABLE AND WERE DISPOSED OF, SO THEY'RE NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
SO WE HAVE SUBMITTED FOR, UH, I THINK THEY'RE, UH, JEED WIND, 2,500 MODEL WOOD WINDOWS TO REPLACE THOSE SAME SIZE, SAME LOCATION.
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THANK YOU.UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? SO BASICALLY YOU'RE AGREEING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, SINCE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE, THAT YOU'LL, YOU'RE PUTTING IN A WOOD REPLACEMENT WINDOW.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THAT CLARIFIED, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION I SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? UH, THERE IS, IF I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATION, THERE'S A STATEMENT IN THERE ABOUT THAT THE APPLICANT USED SALVAGED WINDOWS.
AND IN THE SCALE OF THIS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A NECESSARY AMENDMENT OR NOT.
YEAH, SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD CALL THAT A REPAIR IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GO AND FIND SALVAGED WINDOWS THAT MA MATCH THE SASHES THAT WERE THERE PREVIOUSLY AND RECONSTRUCT IT WITHIN THE OPENINGS, THAT'S A REPAIR.
AND THAT WOULD BE MOST CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UM, THE, THE NEXT BEST THING WOULD BE REPLACEMENT IN KIND WITH A REPLACEMENT WOOD WINDOW.
AND I, I GUESS A FOLLOW UP WITH A MOTION OR IS THE, THE MOTION FOR REPLACEMENT IN KIND OR IS IT STAFF STIPULATION, WHICH IS FOR REPAIR? SO, YEAH, LET ME, LET ME AMEND MY OWN MOTION THERE TO CLARIFY.
SO MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH, UM, THE STIPULATION THAT, UH, WOOD WINDOWS BE INKIND WOOD WINDOWS BE USED.
YOU REPLACE WITH INKIND WOOD WINDOWS.
I, I MY SECOND IN, SO WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK I NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE MOTION IS NOW.
SO IN KIND WOOD WINDOWS THAT'S EITHER NEW TO MATCH OR SALVAGED WOOD WINDOWS? CORRECT.
AGENDA ITEM 16 1 1 1 5 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 33 2.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AT NINE SHADES CANOPIES TO THE FRONT YARD AND THE PLAYGROUND AREAS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF CANOPIES ALONG THE DRIVEWAY AND TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE CANOPY CANOPY FABRIC BE IN NATURAL TONES AND SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT THE CANOPIES BE INSTALLED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN MOUNTING ELEMENTS PENETRATING THE HISTORIC FA FACADE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF CANOPIES IN THE FRONT YARD BASED ON FINDING B THE APPLICANT ROBERTO MEDRANO IS ATTENDING IN PERSON TODAY.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MRS. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
MY NAME'S ROBERTO MERANO, AND, UM, I'M HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE REQUEST THAT, UH, MS. CLAUDIA JUST, UH, MENTION.
CAN YOU MIC, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, THANK YOU.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAN OVER I GUESS.
UM, SO, UH, WE ARE A DAYCARE CENTER.
WE HAVE CHILDREN THERE, UH, AGES ROUGHLY 14 MONTHS, UH, TO FIVE YEARS OLD.
UH, WE HAVE PLAY AREAS FOR THE CHILDREN, UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE 'EM SEPARATED DUE TO THEIR AGE AGES.
WE CANNOT MIX CERTAIN AGES, UH, WITH OTHER AGES, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THEY WILL NOT HARM EACH OTHER IN WHILE AT PLAY.
BUT, UM, THE, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF, UH, APPROVING THE, THE SITE CANOPIES AND, AND, AND THE REAR.
UH, BUT THE, THE, THE CANOPIES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THE FRONT ARE JUST AS EQUALLY IMPORTANT, UH, TO THE OVERALL OPERATION OF THE DAYCARE CENTER.
UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, FLA APPARATUSES HERE.
THEY'RE MADE OUT OF, UH, METAL AND
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IT, IT'S, IT JUST BECOMES UNBEARABLE TO, TO USE THOSE APPARATUSES.UH, ROUGHLY, UH, LIKE FROM 10 30, MAYBE 11 O'CLOCK ONWARD.
UH, BASICALLY MAYBE THE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DAY.
SO THAT IS THE REASON WE'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL THREE CANOPIES.
WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT, UH, IT IS A, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICT THAT HOUSES A VICTORIAN STYLE HOUSE.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A HUGE PECAN TREE RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN THE FRONT, ABOUT TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE, UH, FROM THE FACADE, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IS COVERING, UH, A A LOT OF THE FACADE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE.
BUT THESE, THESE CANOPIES OR SHADES, I'M NOT SURE WHICH IS, UH, CORRECT TERM, UH, TERMINOLOGY.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT IT BE KEPT TO A MINIMUM THREE IN THIS CASE.
UH, TWO WOULD BE COVERING THE PLAY APPARATUSES AND ONE WILL BE AT ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE CHILDREN CAN, UH, GATHER AROUND, UM, AND, AND DO THEIR ACTIVITIES THERE.
UH, DURING THE DAY, UH, THE CANOPIES WOULD BE FLAT, SO IT'S NOT TOO OBSTRUCT THE FACADE OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE, THE THREE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE, IS THE ONES LABELED A CORRECT.
UH, IS THERE, ARE THERE PICTURES THAT YOU CAN YES, THAT'S A BIG, THE TREE, UH, UH, THE TREE IS NOT, IS NOT DEPICTED ON THIS, ON THE LITTLE PLAN, BUT THERE ARE PICTURES IF YOU CAN.
HE'S ASKING THE SHADE IN THE FRONT.
IS THAT GONNA BE WHERE A IS ON? OH, I'M SORRY.
THERE, THERE'S THREE CANOPIES RIGHT THERE.
THERE ARE MORE THAN THREE CANOPIES THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, BUT THE THREE CANOPIES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE THREE THAT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDED IN THE FRONT.
UH, SO WE ARE TRYING TO, TO OF COURSE, GET APPROVAL FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION, FROM THE COMMITTEE AND, AND THE STAFF WHERE WE CAN, UH, INSTALL THESE CANOPIES, PREFERABLY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE THEM.
UH, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE NEXT POINT.
I, I'M HERE TO, TO WORK, UH, WITH THE COMMITTEE, TO WORK WITH THE STAFF.
AND, AND MY GOAL IS TO GET SOME SORT OF SHADING, SOME SORT OF RELIEF FOR THE KIDS WHILE THEY'RE USING THEIR, THE PLAY APPARATUSES.
SO IF THE, IF THE COMMITTEE SHOULD DECIDE THAT, UM, THAT, UM, HAVING CANOPIES THERE OR SHADES, UH, YEAR ROUND IS, IS JUST A LITTLE TOO MUCH, UH, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE, WE COULD BE ALLOWED TO INSTALL 'EM AND TO KEEP 'EM UP FOR THE HOT SUMMER MONTHS, WHICH IS NOW INCLUDES MAY
WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, 100 DEGREE DAYS.
AND IT, I DON'T KNOW IF SEPTEMBER WILL BE INCLUDED THIS YEAR, UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY SECOND, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, THE THIRD, UH, WHICH REALLY, UH, I DID NOT INCLUDE HERE, BUT, UM, BRINGS ME TO THE THIRD POINT IN WHICH, UM, I DID A, A DRIVE THROUGH AROUND KING WILLIAMS, UH, TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES OR ANY PROPERTIES SIMILAR TO THE TYPE OF, UH, WORK THAT WE DO THERE AT, AT MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY.
UH, THERE IS, UH, GREEN ACRES, UH, THAT'S ON MAIN STREET.
UH, BUT TECHNICALLY THEIR, THEIR CANOPIES, THEIR SHADES ARE NOT COVERING THE FACADE, BUT THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE, TO, TO THE BUILDING, FACING THE STREET, UH, YOU KNOW, AT, AT I, I THINK, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK, THE SETBACK TO THE BUILDING AND THE SETBACK TO ALSO THE SHADES.
UH, SO THERE, THERE'S A TECHNICAL, I GUESS, UH, APPROVAL THERE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, TECHNICALLY THEY'RE NOT OBSTRUCTING THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, BUT MORE SO I SAW, UH, MANY BUSINESSES ALONG ALAMO STREET, BEGINNING AT THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, SOUTH ST.
AND, UH, GOING, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME, UH, GOING SOUTHWEST ON, UH, THIS DIRECTION TO THE DIRECTION OF, OF THIS BUILDING HERE.
UM, AND, UH, I BELIE, I BELIEVE, UH, YOU HAVE SOME PICTURES, UH, THAT WE COULD SHOW, UH, THE COMMISSIONERS HAS THE PICTURES ON, UM, THERE, THERE'RE COMPUTERS ALREADY.
UH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 10, 10 BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
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WHAT I CALL UMBRELLA TYPE OF A UMBRELLA TYPE PICNIC, UH, UM, UMBRELLAS REALLY, UH, THEY, THEY COME WITH A, WITH A ROUND TABLE OR MAYBE A, A SQUARE TABLE, AND THEY HAVE THE UMBRELLA STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THERE IS A, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS FOR THAT, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE STAFF DID NOTIFY ME THAT THERE IS NO PRESIDENT, UH, ALLOWING SHADING IN, IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA, BUT, BUT ALTHOUGH THERE IS SOME SHADING BEING UTILIZED RIGHT NOW ALONG ALAMO STREET, WHICH IS FINE, I DON'T BLAME THEM.
UH, PEOPLE GO AND THEY PATRONIZE THIS BUSINESSES AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A BEER OR, OR A SOFT DRINK AND, AND THEY NEED A SHADE.
UM, I GUESS, UH, IF NONE OF THE FIRST TWO PROPOSALS WOULD BE, UH, AGREEABLE TO THE COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO, I GUESS, INSTALL THESE TYPE OF, UH, SHADES, WHICH IS UMBRELLA TYPE, PICNIC TYPE OF A SHADING, WHICH I, I REALLY DON'T LIKE.
I WOULD LIKE TO, TO INSTALL SOMETHING MORE, UH, DURABLE THAT LOOKS NICER, AND THAT CAN BLEND IN WITH, WITH A FACADE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, UM, SO, UH, THE STAB DID, LIKE I SAID, THEY WERE AGREEABLE WITH THE SHADINGS TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SIDE, BUT NOT THE FRONT BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS NO PRESIDENT.
UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT HERE IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THERE'S ONLY TWO DAYCARE CENTERS THAT WOULD BE MUSTARD SEED ACADEMY AND, UM, AND, UH, GREEN ACRES OVER HERE ON MAIN STREET.
SO, UH, I GUESS IF, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD, WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO APPROVE THIS FOR US, UH, THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE LIMITED TO DAYCARE CENTERS, WHICH AGAIN, IS, THERE'S ONLY TWO IN EXISTENCE HERE IN THIS, IN THE KING WILLIAM AREA.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DON'T HAVE A VOICEMAIL, BUT THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO FOR ON, ON AT LEAST THE STRUCTURES OF THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
THERE'S STIPULATION THAT THE FABRIC BE A NATURAL TONES SUBMITTED, STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AND THAT THE CANOPIES BE INSTALLED IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN MELTING ELEMENTS TO THE HISTORIC FACADE OF THOSE, I'M SORRY, THAT DOES NOT WHAT, THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED TO CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
RIGHT? THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A, HAD, WELL, IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT A, A REQUEST, UH, FOR ME, IT'S A QUESTION.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON REMOVING ANY TREES TO ACCOMMODATE A SHADING CAN? NO.
IF WE HAD TREES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A NEED FOR THE SHADES.
I'M, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE STRETCH OF ROAD THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR LONGER THAN I CARE TO ADMIT AT THIS POINT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY DO NOT OBSTRUCT IN A SERIOUS WAY.
THE READING OF THE, THE FABRIC OF THE, THE HISTORIC CONTEXT IN THE STREET MM-HMM.
THE OLD GAS STATION ALONG ALAMO THAT KIND OF HAS THIS TINSEL PULL THING, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE COMMERCIAL TYPE OF STRUCTURE HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ATTITUDE MAYBE ABOUT THESE THINGS.
FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A FUEL CANOPY THERE FOR DECADES.
AND IT, IT'S NOT REALLY AN OBSTRUCTION, BUT THOSE ARE LIMITED.
I, I GENERALLY CONCUR WITH STAFF THAT, THAT I, I CAN'T REALLY SUPPORT PERMANENT STRUCTURES IN FRONT.
IF STAFF, COULD YOU PUT THE MAP ON MAP UP JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER OF CANOPIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE.
UM, I CAN SUPPORT THE COMMAND, THE CANOPY TO THE REAR AND THE SIDE.
AND MY READING OF THIS IS THAT HALF OF THAT LANDSCAPE IS GONNA BE, WELL, MAYBE IT'S 40% WILL BE COVERED WITH THE TRIANGULAR SHADING DEVICES.
THERE ARE FOUR RUNS OF THOSE, AN ADDITIONAL THREE RECTANGULAR ONES LABELED CB AND THEN B TODDLER PLAYGROUND.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THOSE TO THE EXTENT STAFF IS MM-HMM.
I CANNOT SUPPORT THOSE TEMPORARY ITEMS LIKE UMBRELLAS AND PICNIC
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TABLE TYPE OF UMBRELLAS.I THINK THERE'S LATITUDE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT TODAY, BUT I, I'LL TAKE SOME THOUGHTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
I, I, I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS AND I, AND I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSION HERE ON, ON PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.
I THINK THE PERMANENCE OF WHAT, OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR THE NON PERMANENCE, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE A REPURPOSED HOUSE THAT'S USED, IT'S COMMERCIAL USE NOW, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FILLING A PURPOSE.
CORRECT? UH, YOU HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO PUT SHADE OUT.
I TOTALLY GET THE UNDERSTANDING COMPLETELY.
UM, AND I KIND OF WOULD TEND TO SUPPORT CANOPIES OUT THERE, BUT NOT AS PRESENTED.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHY I CAN SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT'S MAYBE SEMI PERMITT THAT WON'T FALL DOWN EVERY WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN KIND OF WITHSTAND SOME OF THE ELEMENTS FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT PERMANENT.
WHENEVER YOU'RE DONE WITH THE HOUSE OR THE OWNER'S DONE WITH THAT HOUSE, 50, 60 YEARS, WHATEVER, AND IT BECOMES A HOUSE OR BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT.
IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO EASILY BE REMOVED, WHATEVER YOU PUT UP THERE.
WHICH HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE UMBRELLAS OR SOME MM-HMM.
SOME OF THE MORE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES.
AND I THINK FINDING THAT MIDDLE GROUND OF PUTTING SOMETHING UP THERE THAT SERVES YOUR PURPOSE MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE THERE A HUNDRED YEARS OR THAT THE NEXT OCCUPANT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA USE THESE ANYMORE.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO AN OLD HOUSE AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THESE DOWN.
UM, SO I WOULD GO NON-INTRUSIVE.
I WOULD ASK THAT I, I THINK I CAN GET BEHIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT OUT THERE FOLLOWING THE STAFF GUIDELINES, MAYBE COMING BACK WITH THE PLANS, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PRESENT THAT, THAT WOULD SHOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M PUTTING OUT HERE.
IT'S NOT PERMANENT, BUT IT IS ABLE TO WITHSTAND A FEW YEARS OF, OF THE ELEMENTS AND WE SERVICE IT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS OR IF THAT WOULD EVEN GO FLY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I SEE THIS.
BUT I KIND OF WANNA HAVE A GOOD IDEA.
UH, WHICH IS A REASON THAT I SUGGESTED A, A, UH, UMBRELLA TYPE, BUT A MORE, UM, COMMERCIAL TYPE OF UMBRELLA.
UH, I THINK THEY, THEY HAVE A CIRCUMFERENCE OF ABOUT, AND I'M JUST GUESSING HERE ABOUT MAYBE 10 FEET OR 12 FEET.
THEY'RE REAL NICE, UH, VERY GOOD, UH, UH, FABRIC.
AND THOSE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, PUT UP AND THEN, UH, SHUT DOWN AT THE END OF THE DAY OR AT WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE A PICTURE THERE ON THE CANOPIES.
I THINK I SEE THE LITTLE, THE LITTLE, THE BEACH TYPE CANOPY YOU'RE TALKING THERE.
NO, I, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PERMANENT AND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE DOWN EVERY DAY, BUT MAYBE A SEASONAL THING OR SOMETHING THAT IN A FEW YEARS CAN BE EASILY TAKEN DOWN WITHOUT IMPACTING THE, THE VEGETATION THERE, THE FOLIAGE, THE HOUSE AND THAT SORT OF THING.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WAS MY LAST, UH, OPTION OR, OR PROPOSAL TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE THAT, THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME RELIEF.
SO I'LL LET MY FELLOW, FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENT FURTHER.
UM, I, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D SAY I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT, UM, THE CANOPIES UP FRONT.
BUT, UM, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION HAD, UM, MENTIONED IN, IN LIEU OF THE CANOPIES, UM, PLANTING SOME TREES THERE.
IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO THE, THE, UM, SHADE THAT'S BEING PROVIDED RIGHT NOW BY THE CURRENT PEAK ENTRY.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? WE, WE HAVE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A LIMB COME DOWN.
UH, AND WE REALLY ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID ANY KIND OF HAZARD OF THAT TYPE FOR THE KIDS.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME LIMBS COME DOWN AT, WE HAD A, UH, A CONTRACTOR COME OUT A FEW MONTHS AGO AND, AND TRIM ALL THE TREES.
UH, AND NOW IT'S SAFE, BUT WE'RE REALLY SHINE AWAY FROM, UH, PLANTING ANY TREES FOR THAT PURPOSE, FOR THAT REASON.
IF, UH, A BRANCH, YOU KNOW, OF A, MAYBE A TWO OR THREE INCH CIRCUMFERENCE, UH, TYPE OF BRANCH WOULD COME DOWN, IT, IT COULD KILL SOMEBODY.
AND, UH, WE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
AND WE DID HAVE SOME
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, NOT HAVING PERMANENT CANOPIES, UMBRELLAS, COVERINGS IN THE FRONT YARD WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE AND WOULD SUGGEST, UM, IF
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WE CAN GET THROUGH A MOTION THAT WOULD STATE THAT, AND THEN SUBMITTING OPTIONS TO STAFF, UH, FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT ARE MORE COMMERCIAL FURNITURE, UH, TYPE MM-HMM.UMBRELLAS AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT TAKES A FOUNDATION INTO THE GROUND AND BEING MORE PERMANENT.
MS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
I CONCUR WITH, WITH, UM, SORT OF THE CONSENSUS THAT'S BEEN EXPRESSED BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, WOULD MOVE FOR, SORRY.
UM, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CANOPIES IN THE REAR WITH THE STIPULATION WITH STAFF.
STIPULATION ABOUT, UH, THE COLORING OF THE CANOPIES AND, UM, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF A SMALLER SCALE NON-PERMANENT COMMERCIAL, UH, UMBRELLA OR CANOPY STRUCTURE IN THE FRONTS, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE SRU IN FRONT OF THE SITE, UM, WITH STAFF'S REVIEW, UH, PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.
AND WITH THE SAME STIPULATION THAT, UH, IN BOTH CASES, THE REAR AND THE FRONT NOT IMPACT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN A PERMANENT MATTER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM 17, 17 22 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, ITEM 17 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 53 17 22 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INFILL TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND ONE WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
REPLACED TWO DOORS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH WINDOWS SALVAGED FROM THE EAST ELEVATION.
ADD ONE DOOR WITH CANOPY TO THE EAST ELEVATION.
REMOVE AND REPLACE THE EXISTING WEST CANOPY.
CONVERT THE EXISTING SOUTH BALCONY TO A CANOPY AND ADD A THREE FOOT WOOD PARTITION TO THE EAST ELEVATION, ADDING 17 ON EACH NEAR NUMBER 2022 MORGAN, IF YOU'RE THERE, YOU'LL NEED, IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE LIVESTREAM, YOU'LL NEED TO MUTE THAT.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE IN FILLING TWO WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND ONE WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
BASED ON FINDING C STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACING TWO DOORS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH A WINDOW SALVAGED FROM THE EAST ELEVATION.
BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, ADDING ONE DOOR WITH CANOPY TO THE EAST ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE NEW DOOR MATCH EXISTING DOORS IN SIZE MATERIAL AND PROFILE TWO, THAT THE NEW CANOPY BE BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING AND BE PROPORTIONATE IN SHAPE AND SIZE TO THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF WEST CANOPY BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE NEW CANOPY BE BASED ON ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING AND BE PROPORTIONATE IN SHAPE AND SIZE TO THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, CONVERSION OF THE EXISTING SOUTH BALCONY TO A CANOPY BASED ON FINDING G.
AND WE HAVE, UM, MORGAN PENNIX AND, UH, PETER DEWITT ON THE LINE.
PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND YOU ALL HAVE, UH, 12 MINUTES TO PRESENT AND TO COMMISSIONERS WHEN YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE APPLICANT.
MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK REALLY CLOSELY INTO THE MIC.
UM, THIS IS A 1930S, UH, TWO STORY STUCCO OR WOOD FRAME, UH, STEPPED PARA PITT, UH, CORNER, UH, BUILDING.
IT'S GOT A PARTY WALL WITH THE, UH, BUILDING, UH, NEXT TO IT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
UM, THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, UH, THE WINDOWS ARE, HAVE BEEN REPLACED, UH, PRIOR TO, UH, OUR CLIENT PURCHASING THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE AN INSULATED WOOD WINDOW, UM, THAT DO SHOW SOME, SOME DECLINE, BUT THEY, UH, THEY ARE THERE AS A, AS A AS EXIST.
THE DOORS ARE VINYL DOORS, UM, AND, UM, SO WE'RE REQUESTING, SO WE, WE CAN, UM, WORK WITH, UH, THE WINDOWS TO THE SOUTH SIDE IF WE NEED TO KEEP THOSE.
I THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT WE KEEP, I MEAN, I'M SORRY,
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TO THE EAST SIDE, THE STAFF RE RECOMMENDS THAT WE KEEP, WE COULD WORK THOSE WITH OUR PLAN.UM, AND TO THE SOUTH SIDE, I GUESS THIS IS THE BIGGEST DISCUSSION POINT IS THAT EXISTING CANOPY THAT'S THERE IS, WHILE THE SANBORN MAP SHOWS THAT THERE WAS SOME WRAPAROUND, UM, PORCH OR, UH, CANOPY THAT COVERED THAT SIDEWALK THERE, THAT SIDEWALK, THAT EXISTING CANOPY THAT'S THERE, THAT HAS THE COLUMNS IS ACTUALLY FOUR BY FOURS AND TWO BY SIXES.
AND NONE OF IT'S REALLY A HISTORIC PRODUCT ANYMORE.
SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS JUST SAFETY WISE IS THAT'S WHY THE DOOR IS ON THAT SIDE AND THAT UPPER DOOR, IS THAT REALLY PART OF THIS HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS BUILDING? AND COULD WE REMOVE THAT, REPLACE IT WITH CANOPIES THAT STILL PROTECT THE DOORS DOWN BELOW AND GET THE CANOPIES TO BE HISTORIC, UM, IN HOW THEY LOOK? SO, UM, THAT THEY'RE HANGING OFF THE BUILDING.
THE COLUMNS RIGHT NOW ARE ACTUALLY OFF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
THEY'RE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING, SO THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THE CURB.
SO THEY CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A HAZARD WITH TRAFFIC.
UM, IF THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'D BE SOME SORT OF ACCIDENT, THE WHOLE THING WOULD COME DOWN ON TOP OF THE CAR.
UM, SO WE DID WORK WITH THE CITY ON THE USE OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WHEN OUR CLIENT BOUGHT IT, IT WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL GUTTED OUT.
UM, THE CITY, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE SMALL LOT, UM, AND WORKING WITH THE CITY ZONING, THE FINAL USE OF THE BUILDING IS JUST A, A TWO STORY, A APART TWO, TWO APARTMENTS, A DUPLEX, UM, THAT'S RESTRICTED BY THE PARKING CELL.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, UM, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SOUTH CANOPY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY OUR BIGGEST, OUR BIGGEST CONCERN.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, WE SENT SOME SUPPLEMENTAL ORDERS IN THAT HAVE, UH, A LITTLE BETTER DETAIL OF THE EXISTING BALCONY AND CANOPY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THE BALCONY ITSELF IS ROTTED OUT.
IT HAS SOME IRON WORK ON IT THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, WITH THESE TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES TYPE OF STRUCTURES HERE ON, ON EACH STREET FRONT, WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MORE UNIFORM COHESIVE LOOK THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO THE BUILDING AS NEITHER OF THESE APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL AND ARE ACTUALLY DANGEROUS AND BUILT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THOSE ARE, UM, FIBERGLASS DOORS ON THE PROPERTY.
IF WE ARE ALLOWED TO CLOSE UP SOME OF THE WINDOWS, WE WOULD REUSE THOSE ELSEWHERE.
AND THE TWO DOORS THAT WE'D LIKE ELIMINATED ARE THE ONE, UM, TO THE BALCONY AND THE ONE AT THE VERY CORNER THAT YOU SEE THERE, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE MORE OF A DANGER.
UM, AND WE WOULD JUST REPLACE THOSE WITH WINDOWS AS WE UNDERSTAND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE HISTORY OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE THERE IN THE FACADE.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UM, KIND OF PRESENTATION AND COMMENTS ON THIS.
WE CAN SEE WITH SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL INTERIOR PHOTOS THAT THE FRAMING HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
A NUMBER OF WINDOWS, UM, ON THE NORTH HAVE BEEN CLOSED UP WITH A MASONRY WALL.
UM, AND OVERALL THE CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY IS AN EXTREME DISREPAIR, JUST A SHELL.
AND WE'RE, UM, ALONG WITH OUR CLIENT BEING TOWARD MAKING IT A USEFUL BUILDING.
AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, I NEGLECTED TO PUT THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS THAT THE APPLICANT SENT TO ME, BUT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE LATE FILE ON YOUR DESKTOPS.
I JUST DON'T HAVE THEM ON THE COMPUTER THAT I'M LIKE NAVIGATING CASE FILE STUFF FROM UP HERE.
UM, BUT THEY'RE LISTED AS 1722 SOUTH ST.
MARY'S, UH, PHOTOS IN YOUR LATE FILE.
AND JUST A REMINDER TO THE APPLICANT, IF YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE WATCHING US ON THE LIVESTREAM, IT IS DELAYED, SO WHATEVER YOU'RE SEEING IS PROBABLY ABOUT 15 SECONDS BEHIND.
SO, UM, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING, WE'LL, WE WILL TRY TO PUT ON SCREEN WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE REFERENCING, YOU'LL JUST WON'T SEE IT ON YOUR END FOR A LITTLE BIT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, IN THE INTRODUCTION OF THE, OF THE CASE, THERE ARE SIX ITEMS ARE LISTED, BUT WE HAVE IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS ONLY FIVE, UM, THE THREE FOOT PARTITION WAS OMITTED.
UM, AND I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME EVEN LOCATING WHERE THAT IS IN THE, IN THE MIX OF THINGS HERE.
THAT ONE IS ELIGIBLE FOR, OH, UM, ITEM SIX WAS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO IT'S ADDRESSED IN THE FINDINGS IN ITEM B, FINDING B.
UM, BUT BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION NECESSARY FROM H D R C ON THAT ONE, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
I APPRECIATE THAT MR. CHAIRMAN.
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UM, IRON LIKE SAFETY BARS ON THE BUILDING THAT ARE ALSO NOT ORIGINAL.UM, WE PLAN TO REMOVE THOSE AS WELL, BUT, UH, I DO THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING WHILE WE'RE HERE.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS MENTIONING THE, UH, SOUTH, UH, BALCONY TO CANOPY CONVERSION IS A BIG ISSUE.
I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST IN THIS SITUATION.
THERE'S CLEARLY MODIFICATION THERE THAT WARRANTS, UH, POTENTIAL MODIFICATION.
AND THE REQUEST OVERALL, UM, STAFF IS, IS NOT REC RECOMMENDING, UH, APPROVAL ON, UM, EAST, WHICH IS THE REAR, UH, WINDOWS AND A FEW OTHER OPENINGS.
AFTER A REVIEW OF THIS, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND THERE, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY OUTSTANDING CONCERNS, BUT I'LL SEE IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE REQUEST.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AS WELL.
UM, THE, THE ONE WINDOW THAT'S BEING ASKED TO BE INFILLED SPEAKING.
YEAH, COMMISSIONERS JUST TRY TO SPEAK VERY LOUDLY AND SLOWLY INTO THE MIC AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.
AND IF THE APPLICANT STILL CAN'T HEAR, WE WILL JUST MOVE THEM CLOSER TO AS YOU SPEAK, SHOULD, OH, UM, SO JUST STANDBY, WE'LL MOVE YOU A LITTLE BIT CLOSER WHERE YOU CAN HEAR.
I FEEL LIKE A CELL PHONE AD HERE.
UM, WILL COMMISSIONER FISH HAD HAD EXPRESSED, UH, FAMILIARITY WITH THE PROJECT AND, UH, AND A GENERAL ACCEPTANCE OF THE, OF YOUR PROPOSAL? IF I'M NOT MISCHARACTERIZING THAT AND I I'M GENERALLY IN, IN, UH, KEEPING WITH IT AS WELL.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING GENERALLY MAKES, UH, SENSE TO ME.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL STIPULATIONS, UH, THAT STAFF HAS HERE, UH, THAT COULD GO, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH, UH, ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, UH, THAT MIGHT, UH, I WANTED TO SEE IF, IF YOU WERE IN, IN AGREEMENT WITH ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR THOSE SPECIFICALLY.
ITEM THREE IS THE, UH, ADDING ONE OF THE DOORS, THE CANOPIES TO THE EAST, AND THE STIPULATION BEING THAT THE NEW DOOR MATCH THE EXISTING DOORS AND SIZE MATERIAL AND PROFILE.
ARE YOU GENERALLY IN, IN, IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT STIPULATION? YES.
YES, THERE IS, UH, ANOTHER STIPULATION TO THAT, THAT THE NEW CANOPY BE BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING AND BE PROPORTIONATE IN SHAPE AND SIZE TO THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING.
ARE YOU IN GENERAL SUPPORT OF THAT STIPULATION? YES.
AND THEN, UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THEY ARE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, LET ME FIND THAT, THAT THE NEW CANOPY BE BA ONCE AGAIN BE BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING.
AND I, I ASSUME YOU'RE ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THAT AS WELL? YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THEN, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL ATTEMPT TO MAKE A MOTION HERE.
UM, I MOVE UNLESS THERE IS ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS A COMMENT HERE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS ONE ON.
SO I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS, UH, SUBMITTED WITH STAFF, STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS, UH, THREE AND FOUR, MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM 18, 20 33 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 20 33 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE,
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UH, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH THREE 13.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH A POURED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND TWO, POUR A 15 SQUARE FOOT CONCRETE PAD IN THE REAR YARD.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY WITH A POURED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING B.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY BE REPAIRED IN KIND TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND MATERIAL WITH PROFILE AND DESIGN.
INSTALLATION OF PAVERS BETWEEN THE REPAIRED RIBBONS MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF IF THIS MODIFICATION IS REQUESTED.
NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, INSTALLATION OF A CONCRETE PATIO AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE BASED OFF OF FINDING C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE CONCRETE SLAB.
UH, THE APPLICANT LUCIA MARTINEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, I BELIEVE WE ALSO HAVE ONE, UH, VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM.
YES, THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 H D R C CASE 2 0 22 DASH 3 1 3 2 3 3 WEST GRAMERCY.
I'M CHARITY MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF N P AND A AND THE N P A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT ARE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS UNIQUE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THE APPLICATION FOR THIS CASE DID NOT CLARIFY IF THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH THE AREA FROM THE CITY STREET TO THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE REPLACED.
IF THE DRIVEWAY APPROACH IS TO BE REPLACED, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE WIDTH AND THE FLARE APPROACH TO BE DETAILED AND CAN REMAIN AS A SOLID CONCRETE APPROACH.
WE NOTE CONCERN WITH THE EROSION OCCURRING ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EXISTING RIBBON DRIVEWAY AND ASKED THAT THIS BE ADDRESSED IN ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS OF WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, BUT WE WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF A CONCRETE SUPPORT RING AROUND A NEW SEWER CLEAN OUT AS DEPICTED IN THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION FOR STABILITY AND PROTECTION.
AS IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE NEW SEWER LINE IS GONNA BE REPLACED, UH, A NEW SEWER LINE WILL BE ADDED OR INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCESS THAT SEWER LINE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR RECEIVING OUR COMMENTS ON THIS CASE.
HI, I'M LUCIA MARTINEZ, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS.
THIS IS MY HUSBAND ROBERT MARTINEZ.
HOW ARE YOU? UM, SO YEAH, WE ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO SEE IF WE COULD, UH, DO A PORT CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF EROSION.
THERE'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCLINE, UH, ON OUR HOME.
AND, AND I THINK THAT RECORDING THAT I'M LISTENING TO WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS BOTTOM PART RIGHT HERE.
WE WEREN'T SURE IF WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, REPLACE THAT IF WE DO THAT OR IT BELONGS TO THE CITY, BUT IT'S IT'S US.
UM, BUT SO THE THING WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE WAY THE, THE POOLING IN THE HOUSE RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND WHERE YOU SAW THE TRASH CANS EARLIER.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF WATER POOLING WHEN WE HAVE HARD RAIN AND THERE'S A LOT OF DRAINAGE.
AND SO WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT DOING ANOTHER RIBBON DRIVEWAY OR EVEN HAVING THE BRICKS IN THE MIDDLE, THAT THAT SHIFTS, IT SHIFTS SO MUCH THAT MY CAR HITS THE BOTTOM EVERY TIME I GO UP.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ON THE SIDES OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, I EITHER HAVE TO GO TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT BECAUSE MY CAR WILL HIT THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS CONSIDERATION TO DO A POURED CONCRETE ALL THE WAY DOWN SO THAT, UH, JUST GET A RUNOFF.
SO MY HUSBAND HAS HAD TO PUT BRICKS ON THE SIDE OF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY CLOSEST TO THE HOUSE.
UM, BECAUSE RIGHT THERE IS RIGHT THERE BECAUSE LIKE WHEN I'M PARKED THERE AND I'M GOING TO WORK, I, THAT'S ALL WATER.
I HAVE TO, HE'S PUT THE BRICK SO THAT I CAN STEP THERE.
BUT WE ARE ALSO THINKING THAT IT WILL HELP OUR FOUNDATION.
WE JUST RECENTLY SPENT $16,000, UM, FIXING THE FOUNDATION AND THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS THE PART THAT
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WAS THE MOST, THAT NEEDED THE MOST WORK, THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.AND THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S IT, RIGHT? YES.
UH, CHAIRMAN, JUST UM, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
WE'VE, WE HAVE THESE CASES COME ACTUALLY QUITE FREQUENTLY AND I THINK YOU DO HAVE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES HERE THAT WARRANT SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION, PARTICULARLY THE SLOPE THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SITE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, AIDING TO THE DETERIORATION AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERAL, UM, CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE HERE.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS THAT MIGHT, I MIGHT SUGGEST, UM, AS, AS A, A MEANS OF COMPROMISE HERE, I THINK STAFF HAS A, A, AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RETAINING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, REPLACING THE RIBBON DRIVEWAYS WITH NEW RIBBON DRIVEWAYS, BUT WITH, WITH, UM, PAVERS IN BETWEEN.
AND YOU CAN ALSO EDGE IT WITH PAVERS ON THE, ON THE OUTBOARD SIDE OF THE STRIPS AS WELL TO MAKE IT WIDER, AS YOU'RE SAYING, TO BE ABLE TO STEP OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CAR.
UM, THAT'S ONE OPTION AND THAT CAN BE SAND SET, UH, SO THAT THE, UH, THE PAVERS ARE STABLE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE SEEN IS WHERE, UM, THE, A CONCRETE, UH, DRIVE IS PUT IN, BUT THEY SCORE IT SO THAT THERE'S STILL THEIR MEMORY OF WHERE THE, THE, THE, UH, TIRE STRIPS WERE LOCATED.
AND I THINK A THIRD POTENTIALLY MORE, UH, COMPLEX SOLUTION THOUGH IS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF THE TWO WHERE YOU HAVE A SLAB THAT IS POURED UNDERNEATH ALL OF THAT AND IT'S JUST RECESSED WHERE YOU HAVE THE PAVERS SO THEY FLUSH UP WITH THE, WITH THE TIRE STRIPS.
THAT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, A LITTLE BIT MORE TRIGGER WORK WITH THE FORM WORK.
I WAS, I WAS WANTING TO SEE IF, UM, IN, IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT, WOULD YOU ALL BE, UH, ABLE TO, ANY, ANY ONE OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND AS SOLUTIONS ON PREVIOUS VERY SIMILAR PROJECTS? AND I CAN REPEAT THOSE OPTIONS IF YOU NEED ME TO.
SO THE ONE WITH A COMBINATION THERE WOULD BE CONCRETE ON THE BOTTOM.
SO THERE, THERE COULD EITHER BE SAND SET PAVERS OKAY.
WHERE YOU HAVE IT IN, IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE TIRE STRIPS AND ON THE OUTSIDE.
OR YOU CAN HAVE A CONCRETE SLAB UNDERNEATH THAT, BUT YOU THEN FINISH IT WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, UH, PAVERS SO THAT YOU STILL OBTAIN THE VISUAL APPEARANCE OF THE TIRE STRIPS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HANG ON TO.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S SO CHARACTERISTIC OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DOWN BELOW, AND I THINK STAFF ALREADY DID THAT APRON, UH, WOULD TYPICALLY WE WOULD LIMIT THAT TO 10 FEET IN WIDTH, BUT THAT WOULD BE CONCRETE AND YOU ALL WOULD BE ABLE TO REPAIR THAT SO THAT THAT WOULD BE ALL IN ONE, ONE, UH, YOU KNOW, REGIME TO, TO, TO CLEAR, CLEAR THAT UP.
UH, COMMISSIONER FISH HAS SOME COMMENTS.
WELL, I, I'VE BEEN SPINNING THE LAST FEW MINUTES LOOKING UP AND DOWN THIS STREET ON GOOGLE EARTH AT, AT THE OTHER DRIVEWAY CONDITIONS.
MANY OF THE DRIVEWAYS ON THIS BLOCK ARE SOLID.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW THAT ARE RIBBON STRIPS.
AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE MANY OF THESE DRIVEWAYS HAVE BEEN REPLACED OVER THE DECADES, UM, ON SITES THAT HAVE A SIMILAR GRADE AND EROSION PROBLEMS THAT YOU HAVE, THEY OFTEN ARE ACCOMPANIED BY A CURB.
AND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION OF WHERE YOUR NEW DRIVEWAY IS GONNA BE, YOU, YOU HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE WITH THE EROSION ON THE SIDES THAN YOU DO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS, UH, STRIPS OR, OR SOLID.
AND, UM, I, I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADDRESS A SOLUTION FOR A CURB.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, VOICE, THE VOICEMAIL FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WAS MENTIONING.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A COMMON AND, UH, WELL, THERE'S A COMMON SOLUTION THAT THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A, A CURB THAT CAN HOLD BACK SOME OF THAT, UH, SOIL.
IF WE GO TO THE LEFT ON THIS SCREEN, STAFF, UM, A COUPLE HOUSES DOWN AND LOOK TO THE RIGHT, WE'LL SEE THESE, UH, DRIVEWAYS WITH SMALL CURBS HOLDING BACK.
WHAT ADDRESS AM I LOOKING AT? WELL, 2018 TO THE RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING IT'S NEXT DOOR TO US.
WELL, I, I SEE THAT THIS EROSION PROBLEM IS CONSISTENT AND, UH, THERE ARE, OUR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR HAD A FRENCH, IS THAT, WHAT DO YOU CALL THE FRENCH DRAIN PUT IN? UM, SO AT THE BLUE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
SO THE, YEAH, THE, THE ONE THAT THE, THE HOUSE THAT STAFF'S CURSOR IS ON, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DRIVEWAY, UH, THERE IS A SMALL CURB THERE AND THE CONDITION IS NOT AS SEVERE IN THIS INSTANCE.
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AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. I WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S SCORING IDEAS SO THAT WE KEEP THE LINES AND, AND ALLOW, UH, FOR, UH, CONSIDER ALLOWING, UH, UP TO MAYBE SIX INCHES OF CURBING TO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT STABILIZATION AS THE DRIVEWAY APPROACHES THE SIDEWALK.IT'D BE SOMETHING YOU, YOU COULD DO, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, BUT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE CAN GET, MAYBE DEAL WITH THIS IN A MOTION AND IF, IF ANYBODY IS COHERENT ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THAT OR TURN THAT INTO A MOTION
I, UM, JUST HAVE A QUICK, QUICK COMMENT.
AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S EXPERTISE IS, IS, IS TIP TOP ON THIS.
I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER, OF THE THREE OPTIONS YOU GAVE, WHICH ONE WOULD HELP THEM BETTER ADDRESS ALSO THE DRAINING PROBLEM AS THEY GOT CLOSE TO THEIR GARBAGE CAN AREA, UM, THEIR FOUNDATION, WHICH, WHICH ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT YOU MENTIONED, WHICH HELP ADDRESS POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE? UH, NEAR THE FOUNDATION, I, I THINK ALL THREE WOULD PERFORM FAIRLY SIMILARLY.
UM, BUT I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH BRINGS UP A, UH, IMPORTANT, UH, POINT ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF THESE SORT OF SMALL CURBS THAT HELPS TO ALSO CHANNELIZE THE WATER AND KEEP IT FROM FLOWING INTO THE FOUNDATION OF THE, OF THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, I WOULD, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL THEN FOR A CONCRETE CURB THAT'S SCORED WITH, UM, THAT OR SCORED WITH TWO, UH, UH, TIRE STRIPS, UM, AND THE INCLUSION OF A UP TO SIX INCH CONCRETE CURB TO HELP DIVERT THE WATER AWAY FROM THE, THE HOUSE AS A SOLUTION, UM, AS A MINIMUM SOLUTION.
THE, THE OTHERS, I THINK WITH THE PAVERS THEY DO BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE.
THAT PROBABLY BEGINS TO BECOME A, A BUDGET CHALLENGE AS WELL.
SO I THINK THE MOST DIRECT AND SIMPLE APPROACH WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT WITH THE CONCRETE BUT SCORED.
SO THERE'S STILL A MEMORY OF THAT PATTERN OF THE TIRE, UH, STRIPS THAT WAS PREVALENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
A SECOND MOTION IS SECOND, UH, AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR ADDITION TO THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE SEVERAL OF THE, UH, DRIVEWAYS ALONG THIS BLOCK HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES BY HAVING A LITTLE STEEPER APPROACH ONCE YOU GET JUST INSIDE THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
AND IF THE, UH, APPLICANTS WANTED TO ADJUST THE GRADE OF THEIR DRIVE INSTEAD IN LIEU OF ADDING THE LITTLE CURBS ON THE SIDE TO HELP ADDRESS THIS, THE, UH, DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THEM AS WELL.
YEAH, I ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY ADMIN.
MY SECOND STANDS GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OPTIONS ON HOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT SITUATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
I'VE GOT THEM ON SPEAKER PHONE, SO LET ME GET SITUATED FOR A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, UH, NICK AND, UH, PETER, READY NOW I'M GONNA KINDA, UH, CLUE YOU IN ON, UH, WHEN I'M DONE AND WHEN TO SPEAK.
UH, SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 4 4 3 26 RIVERSIDE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED C O A SPECIFIED THE REHABILITATION AND CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION TO THE HISTORIC CRAFTSMAN STRUCTURE AT 3 26 RIVERSIDE.
AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE.
THE STRUCTURE COLLAPSED ON MAY THE 24TH, 2022 AND TWO, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH THE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
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TO THE RECOMMENDATION.STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE UD C'S REQUIREMENTS FOR AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AS NOTED IN FINDING ONE C.
SHOULD THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FIND AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THE OWNER AS NOTED IN FINDING ONE D AND RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE APPLIED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE APPLIED.
SORRY, I HAD ANOTHER CALL COMING THROUGH.
STAFF FINDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE APPLIED TO THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
ONE THAT ANY MATERIALS IN A CONDITION TO BE SALVAGED BE SALVAGED, WHETHER FOR USE ON SITE OR ELSEWHERE.
TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT MATCHED THE SETBACK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE FOR THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING TWO B THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE PORCH, MASSING AND FENESTRATION PROFILES CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDINGS TWO G AND TWO H FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AS NOTED IN FINDING TWO, UH, FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT USE WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING TWO J AND FOUND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS.
UH, AND THERE'S ONE ARCHEOLOGY COMMENT, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL IN INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED.
THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE.
UH, AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER, PETER GREEN BLOOM AND THE ARCHITECT NICK MELDY, ARE, UH, HERE ON THE PHONE WITH US AND CAN, UH, PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW AND PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO, UM, I, I MEAN, ED EDWARD, UH, KIND OF TOOK YOU ALL THROUGH, UH, THE CHRONOLOGY SO FAR, BUT, UM, I'LL KIND OF REHASH IT HERE.
SO, WE, UH, RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR THE REHABILITATION, IN ADDITION ONTO A, UH, HISTORIC HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, UH, THERE, UH, UH, THE, UH, AND, AND THE, UH, UH, CONTRACTOR WAS CONDUCTING WORK, UM, UH, UNDER THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND, UH, HAD, UM, REHABILITATE OR I GUESS, UH, LEVELED THE, UH, UH, FOUNDATION PUT IN NEW DECKING, UM, AND WAS, UM, AND HAD, UH, COMPLETED ROUGH-IN FOR ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I BELIEVE, UH, UH, UH, THE, UM, SOME OF THE EXTERIOR SIDING HAD BEEN REMOVED TO, UM, TO STRAIGHTEN THE WALLS, UM, OF THE HOUSE 'CAUSE IT WAS LEANING QUITE A BIT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, UH, UH, HEAVY STORM CAME THROUGH, UM, IN MAY.
AND, UH, I WAS NOTIFIED BY THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, PETER GREENLAND, WHO'S ALSO ON THE LINE, UH, THAT MORNING THAT THE STRUCTURE HAD COLLAPSED.
UM, THE, UH, AND, AND SO I MEAN THAT, THAT IMMEDIATELY KIND OF KICKED IN.
UM, COUPLE OPTIONS FOR, UH, I, I THINK FOR PROCEEDING FORWARD WE COULD PROCEED UNDER THE, UM, CURRENT, UM, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, OR WE COULD, UH, REQUEST, UH, DEMOLITION, UH, POTENTIALLY DUE TO AN ECONOMIC, UM, UH, TO, WELL TO DO
SO, UM, I THINK, UH, I MEAN THAT'S ALSO KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE H D R C TODAY.
UH, PETER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT OR SPEAK TO THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THAT? WELL, I, THAT'D PROBABLY BE BETTER IF I ANSWERED QUESTIONS, IF THERE ARE ANY.
WE, SO I'LL HAVE TO WAIT A MOMENT.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
YEAH, YEAH, WE, UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO I CALL US BACK INTO SESSION.
ALRIGHT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BACK NOW.
SO, UM, PETER, NICK, Y'ALL CAN CONTINUE.
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OKAY, SO DO, DO WE NEED TO PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF OR START FROM THE BEGINNING? UH, YOU CAN PICK UP, PICK UP WHERE Y'ALL LEFT OFF.WE, WE, WE HAD LEFT OFF AT OPENING IT UP TO DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS FROM H D R C.
OKAY, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU GUYS WERE PRETTY COMMITTED TO THE REHABILITATION OF THIS, THAT YOU'D ALREADY DONE FOUNDATION STABILIZATION.
HAD THERE BEEN ANY REMOVAL OF, OF, UH, BRACING MEMBERS OR ANYTHING THAT, THAT MADE THE, THE STRUCTURE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS WIND? OR WAS IT JUST THE, THE, THE NATURE OF THE, THE WIND ITSELF? WHAT, WHAT, WAS THERE ANY FRAMING CHANGES, YOU KNOW, REMOVING A DIAGONAL, UH, SHEATHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT, THAT MADE IT MORE, MORE VULNERABLE THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY? SO REMOVE TIME HAD BEEN THE REMOVE BITING IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
AND THAT IS, THAT WAS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SQUARE THE HOME, IT WAS OUT OF SQUARE BY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SIX AND NINE INCHES INCHES.
UM, AND SO THE HOUSE DIDN'T HAVE ANY TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, NOW WHEN WE BUILT A HOUSE, WE USED, UH, PLYWOOD OR O S B ON THE OUTSIDE TO STRENGTHEN THE STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, WE ARE, THAT'S LITERALLY THAT DAY IS WHEN THEY REMOVED THE SIDING, BRACED IT UP AND, UM, THE, I MEAN, WE HAD NO WAY WITH THE BOTTOM PLATE WHERE THOSE WALLS WERE SITTING, BUT THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT TERMITE DAMAGE.
AND A LOT OF THE TWO BY FOURS WITHIN THE HOUSE ITSELF HAD SIGNIFICANT TERMITE DAMAGE.
UM, AND BEING ACROSS FROM 80 PORT LUMBER, I MEAN, WE HAD ALREADY BOUGHT ALL OUR LUMBER TO START REFRAMING.
UM, AND WE WERE GONNA TAKE WHATEVER STEPS WERE NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE IT WAS A, UH, A CORRECT STRUCTURE WHEN WE PUT IT BACK TOGETHER.
'CAUSE THAT, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLEAR THE AIR ON WHETHER IT WAS NEGLIGENCE OF, UH, MEANS AND METHODS HERE THAT LED TO SORT OF MAKING THE STRUCTURE MORE VULNERABLE TO, UH, THE WIND DAMAGE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS WERE LEGITIMATELY CONS, UH, COMMITTED TO REHABILITATING THIS BUILDING AND SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENED THERE.
THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THIS STRUCTURE WAS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
AND SO THERE WAS NO WAY TO MAKE THIS STRUCTURE A, YOU KNOW, A A REALLY NEWLY REMODELED HOME WITHOUT TAKING THE STEPS THAT WE HAD TO TAKE TO GET TO THE, TO THE RE THE NEW STARTING POINT, WHICH WAS WEARING IT UP AND THEN USING O S B OR PLYWOOD ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK TO, TO GIVE IT SOME RIGIDITY AND THEN REPLACE WHATEVER HAD TO BE REPLACED INSIDE ON THE TWO BY THE VERTICAL, TWO BY FOURS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT IT WAS WHEN WE STARTED, UH, BUT WE DID ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR ME TO HAVE HAD HAPPEN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, I I, I HAD ALREADY SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO RECOUP THAT.
UH, WE DID EVERYTHING CORRECTLY.
UM, I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH YOUR, UH, THE LOSS OF THE STRUCTURE DUE TO UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT THAT, UH, THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THIS HOUSE, UH, STILL HAS SOME IMPORTANCE AND WOULD, UH, MUCH RATHER SEE YOU RECONSTRUCT THE HOUSE AS PER THE ORIGINAL PLANS, EVEN IF IT'S ALL NEW FRAMING, WHICH IT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE, BUT TO, UH, RECREATE THE HOUSE RATHER THAN PUTTING IN, UH, ONE OF YOUR NEW PROPOSED STRUCTURES.
SO I HAVE PROVIDED YOU GUYS WITH NEW COST STRUCTURES AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT TAKING A LOSS OF CLOSE TO $80,000 ON PUTTING A NEW 800, 700 AND WHATEVER SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE UP AS OPPOSED TO BEING ABLE TO SELL A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE WITH A BRAND NEW STRUCTURE, UM, THAT IS MUCH MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
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THOSE VALUES WOULD BE, AND I SUBMITTED THAT SPREADSHEET AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SHOWING A, A LOSS OF $81,000 TO TRY TO GO REBUILD THAT HOUSE THE WAY IT WAS.AND THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
JUST TO REITERATE, THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS A, WAS A ONE BEDROOM, UH, IT WAS A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE.
SORRY, I WASN'T SURE YOU WERE FINISHED.
SO I, I REMEMBER, UH, I'VE BEEN THINKING THIS WHOLE TIME ABOUT, OKAY, SO IF THE STRUCTURE IS LOST, IS THE MASSING REALLY SIGNIFICANT IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS ON THE WHOLE, WHEN I REMEMBER REVIEWING THIS PROJECT AS A LARGER PROJECT, WE WERE LOOKING FOR KIND OF ASPECTS AND ELEMENTS THAT THAT COULD BE SALVAGED AND, UH, MAINTAIN SOME OF THAT MATERIAL AND SCALE OF THE PLACE GIVEN, GIVEN THAT IT'S LOST, I'M OF TWO MINDS ABOUT THIS, SO, WHICH WAY TO GO.
UH, I THINKING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL HERE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THIS IS REALLY, UH, THE REASON, THE REASON WHY, UM, WE WANTED IT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROJECT.
TO ME IT WAS THAT AUTHENTICITY ISSUE.
SO A RECONSTRUCTION I'M TROUBLED WITH BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE AUTHENTICITY, UH, AUTHENTICITY THERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE REQUEST AS IT'S, AS IT'S MADE.
I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, STAFF IN STAFF'S FINDINGS HERE SAYS, SHOULD THE H C R C UH, APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURE, THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE, THAT THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS MET.
ONE OF THEM I'M LOOKING AT IS THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION MATCH, THE SETBACK OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
UM, IS THAT POSSIBLE IN THIS CASE OR IS THAT, UH, NICK, I MEAN, WE, I THINK WE AGREED, UH, YEAH, I THINK AGREED TO AGREE TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT, UH, YES.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED THOSE, UH, BEFORE THE HEARING TODAY.
AND WE, WE AGREE, UH, TO ALL OF THOSE STIPULATIONS AND TO ANSWER DIRECTLY, UH, THAT QUESTION POSED.
UM, YES, UH, WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIT THAT, UH, THAT, UH, NEW DESIGN, UH, UH, TO THAT, THAT THAT NEW TWO STORY HOUSE AT THE CURRENT SETBACK OF THE, OF, OF THE HOME.
UM, NOW, UH, I GUESS WHAT, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFINE, IF, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE, THE MEASURE, DOES THAT SETBACK START AT THE PORCH OR THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING? OF THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE? UM, THIS IS, THIS IS STAFF, UM, SORRY, UH, THIS IS STAFF.
UM, I, I THINK YOU KNOW, NICK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE WITH THE OVERALL MASSING, UH, BEING SOMEWHAT INTEGRATED INTO THE PORCH, UH MM-HMM.
SO THE FRONT OF THAT, FRONT GABLE, UM, THAT'S WHERE YOUR SETBACK WOULD START AND THEN GO BACK FROM THERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, THE STIPULATIONS.
YEAH, YOU, YOU, I YOU HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE YET.
NO, I, I, I, I AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER FISHER ON THIS ONE.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY TO TRY AND, AND, AND PRESERVE IT, MAYBE REBUILD, BUT I, I THINK IF I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE APPLICANT IN THE, IN THIS, UH, IN THIS SITUATION AND, AND TO THE POINT WHERE MAYBE I WOULD EVEN ASK IF YOU COULD INCORPORATE SOME OF THE, THE, UH, PREVIOUS STRUCTURES, DESIGN ELEMENTS, THE MODEST DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PAY HOMAGE TO, TO, TO THE HOUSE THAT ONCE WAS THERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THERE'S, UH, TO, TO THAT, UH, I THINK THERE, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR, UH, UH, DESIGNING A, UH, A, A UNIQUE FRONT PORCH, UM, TO THIS, UH, TO THE UNIT TYPE THAT WE WERE PROPOSING FOR THIS.
SO, UM, WE, WE COULD, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF, IF THAT'S DESIRED.
AND, AND I'LL SAY ON, ON NOTE, UM, THAT, THAT, UM, IF NICK, IF, IF Y'ALL ARE ABLE TO INCORPORATE, UM, MAYBE MORE OF A TRADITIONALLY MASKED FRONT PORCH, THAT STAFF WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND WE COULD WORK WITH YOU AND PETER ON THAT DESIGN.
I, I, I THINK THAT'S TOTALLY DOABLE.
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.IF THE, UM, COMMISSION APPROVES THEIR, THE PROPOSAL FOR DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE BASICALLY REUSED A PLAN THAT'S ALREADY ON SITE.
AND I BELIEVE THE DESIGN WHERE ONE FACADE, ONE LONG FACADE OF THE BUILDING HAS NO WINDOWS, WAS BASED ON THE PROXIMITY TO ADJACENT STRUCTURES, AND THEREFORE THERE WEREN'T ANY WINDOWS.
SO SINCE THIS ONE IS SORT OF, WOULD BE MORE OF A STANDALONE STRUCTURE, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT LOT LINE ELEVATION, UH, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IN THE UPPER RIGHT, I THINK THAT ELEVATION DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED WITH, UH, APPROPRIATE FENESTRATION.
THE REASON THERE WERE NO WINDOWS ON THAT WALL IS IT'S A, UH, FIRE RATED WALL.
UM, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I HAD HOPED THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD IT WITH THE FIREWALL IS BECAUSE OF THE BAR NEXT DOOR.
AND YOU PICK UP A LOT OF SOUND DEADENING FROM A FIREWALL.
BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME WINDOWS, I DON'T THINK NICK AND I HAVE ANY ISSUES, UM, ADDING WINDOWS TO THAT SIDE.
I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT CHIMNEY, THAT CHIMNEY'S A PRETTY NICE DESIGN ELEMENT OF THAT HOUSE.
SO IF YOU COULD, IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S APPLICABLE, BE USING ANY OF THE BRICK OR TRYING TO INCORPORATE A CHIMNEY INTO THE NEW HOUSE, IS THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE? DID YOU HEAR THAT? I DID NOT.
I SAID, I SAID THE CHIMNEY WAS A NICE KEY DESIGN FEATURE OF THAT HOUSE, AND, UH, I THINK IF YOU CAN INCORPORATE H M D OR MAYBE EVEN REUSE SOME OF THE BRICKS IN SOME FASHION TO PAY HOMAGE TO THAT CHIMNEY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL.
SO, UH, YEAH, PETER, I'LL LET YOU TAKE THAT.
WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT I GUESS IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF GONNA GIVE THAT TO YOU, THE ANSWER.
WELL, I, I MEAN, FROM, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN EASILY DESIGN SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, LIKE, LIKE A, UM, A ESSENTIALLY LIKE A, A BRICK MASS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE, ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO MAKE IT APPEAR LIKE THERE'S A CHIMNEY.
BUT, UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UM, I GUESS, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK WITH THE EXISTING PLAN, YOU KNOW, AS DOES.
SO IT WOULD REALLY JUST BE A TOKEN GESTURE.
UH, I I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISMISSIVE OF, OF THE, OF THE GESTURE.
I, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE HONEST.
NO, I SEE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT YOU HAD BEFORE, BUT THANK YOU.
I, I, I, I, UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT TOWARDS IT, SO I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE DISMISSIVE.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I'LL ATTEMPT TO MOTION IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UM, LEMME GET TO THE TOP, TOP OF THIS, JUST A SECOND.
SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT OF THE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, TO PERMIT THE, YOU KNOW, DEFACTO DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS CONCERNING, UM, MATERIAL SALVAGE AND WITH CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, ONE THROUGH FIVE PLUS A TWO ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE, UM, THE PROPOSED PLAN INCORPORATES SOME KIND OF PORCH ELEMENT IN RESPONSE TO, UH, A MEMORY OF THE, UH, HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE THAT WAS ONCE THERE AND A SEVENTH STIPULATION THAT, UH, WINDOWS BE INCORPORATED IN WHAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, LABELED THE ZERO LOT LINE ELEVATION.
AND, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WITH THE, UM, MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE MOTION OF
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CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, I ASSUME YOU'RE REQUESTING THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MANY REQUESTS HERE TO ALTER THE, UH, PROPOSAL HERE SO THAT THIS ISN'T SIMPLY, UH, A REPLICATION OF ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, PLANS ARE ALREADY BEEN INTRODUCED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT IT'S A UNIQUE RESPONSE TO THIS, THIS SITE.AND I THINK WHAT WE MAY, MAY ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO IS, UM, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AT A STAFF LEVEL, UM, POTENTIALLY THE APPLICANT IS OPEN, UH, ALLOW THEM TO COME TO A D R C, UM, AND THEN PROCEED TO A FOLLOWING HEARING TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE ON THE SAME PAGE AS WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD FIND TO BE APPROPRIATE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
THANK, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
AND AGAIN, UM, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL DIS DIFFICULTIES AND THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.