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SO, GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES, GENTLEMEN.
THE TIME IS NOW ONE 11 ON THURSDAY, JUNE 30TH.
MY NAME IS JACK TMORE AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND I HEREBY CALL THIS MEETING INTO SESSION.
CAN WE HAVE OUR INTERPRETERS READ THE INTERPRETATION SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THIS MEETING? GOOD AFTERNOON.
CAN YOU CONDUCT THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE NINE PRESENT THAT GIVES US QUORUM.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MANY ALTERNATES THAT ARE HERE.
SO JUST IN THE CASE OF ANY YAY OR NAY VOTES TAKEN, THE VOTE WILL GO TO THE PRIMARY IF THEY'RE STILL AT THE MEETING.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO REMIND ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO USE YOUR MICROPHONE WHEN SPEAKING FOR THOSE WATCHING AT HOME OR THE RECORDING AT A LATER TIME, IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO HEAR IF YOUR MICROPHONE'S DOWN, SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONE AND MAKE SURE, KEEP YOUR FINGER PUSHED DOWN ON IT WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING.
UH, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT.
THE ONLY STATEMENT I HAVE IS THIS HAS BEEN A HECK OF A PROCESS AND A COUPLE OF US HAVE DONE IT MORE THAN ONCE.
UH, THE STAFF IS AMAZINGLY PREPARED AT ALL THESE MEETINGS, WHICH IS, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S TO BE COMMENDED, IN MY OPINION.
UH, EVERY MEETING I'VE ATTENDED AND THE TIMING AND SCHEDULING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, ON OUR SIDE OF IT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF VOLUNTEERS HERE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE AT THIS TABLE HAVE SERVED AS CHAIRS OF THEIR SPECIFIC COMMITTEES THAT THEY WERE IN.
COULD YOU RAISE YOUR HAND? AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EASY PROCESS, RIGHT? BUT EVERYBODY'S WORKING EVERY DAY, ALL DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO, AND THEN COME IN HERE AND HAVE TO LEAD A MEETING ON SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THIS.
AND THEY'RE TO BE COMMITTED ALSO, I THINK.
SO AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES, THE FULL BOARD MEETING ON JANUARY 20TH, 2022, THE MECHANICAL CODE COMMITTEE MEETING ON FEBRUARY 24TH, 2022, THE PLUMBING CODE COMMITTEE MEETING ON MARCH 16TH, 2022, ELECTRICAL CODE COMMITTEE MEETING ON MARCH 17TH, 2022, SWIMMING POOL COMMITTEE MEETING ON MAY 26TH, 2022.
BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE MEETING ON MAY 19TH AND MAY 31ST, 2022, AND ENERGY COMMITTEE MEETING ON JUNE 9TH, 2022.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO ALL THOSE MINUTES THAT Y'ALL HAVE READ? IF NOT, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? THIS ROBERT HANLEY, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES JUST MENTIONED RON KAMAN.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY ROBERT HANLEY AND A SECOND BY RON ON THE MINUTES
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TONIGHT.ANY DENIED CHAIRMAN? MOTION PASSES.
UH, I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE NONE OF THE, UM, FIRE CODE MEETING MINUTES IN THIS, AND WE HAD WHAT, THREE MEETINGS ON THAT? UH, JEREMY? UH, CORRECT.
SO THE, THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE IS THE ONE THAT OVERSAW BOTH BUILDING, I'M SORRY, I B C I E B, C I F C AND THE I R C.
SO THAT FALLS UNDER THE, UH, LAST TWO MEETINGS OF THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE.
PRIOR TO MOVING ON TO THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS, IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL COMMENT TO THE BOARD? ANY COMMENTS ABOUT SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEMS AND CODE SECTIONS CAN BE BROUGHT NOW OR DURING THE AGENDA ITEM? THE COMMENT PERTAINS TO, IF SO, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE COMMENTING.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE THAT ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE THAT'S STANDING UP FOR THAT.
SO, LET'S BEGIN WITH OUR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS, AGENDA ITEMS, STAFF, PLEASE PRESENT THE FIRST ITEM.
I'M CRYSTAL GONZALEZ, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UM, IN THE NEXT THREE HOURS, I'LL GO OVER THESE 85 SLIDES.
UM, TO SUMMARIZE THE CODE CHANGES.
NOBODY ELSE, NOBODY ELSE IS PAYING ATTENTION.
SO OVERVIEW OF THE I C C 2021 CODES.
UM, SO THEY ARE UPDATED EVERY THREE YEARS, RIGHT? AS JACK MENTIONED, SOME OF US HAVE DONE THIS A COUPLE TIMES NOW.
WE WERE DELAYED WITH THE 2021 CODES BECAUSE OF COVID, RIGHT? AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS WAS, UH, AN IMPORTANT PROCESS THAT WAS BEST HELD IN PERSON.
SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO DELAY THOSE.
UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, WE REVIEWED THE 10 BUILDING RELATED FIRE CODES.
SO THE CITY ADOPTS THESE CODES, UM, AS THE CURRENT NATIONAL SAFETY STANDARDS AND ALSO THE CODES ARE CONTINUOUSLY, UM, TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON, UM, WE'RE ON TOP OF, UH, OF ADOPTING THE MOST CURRENT BUILDING RELATED CODES.
SO WE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN FEBRUARY WITH, UH, WITH Y'ALL'S INVOLVEMENT AND, AND THAT MEETINGS WITH ADDITIONAL STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, SO FAR WE'VE HAD 20 MEETINGS, UH, WITH YOU GUYS AND, UM, THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT, UH, THAT WERE DEVELOPED.
WE'VE ALSO HAD A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS, UM, IN FEBRUARY WHERE WE, UH, MET WITH THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND SOME MORE OF THE PROCESS SO WE COULD, UM, SOLICIT SOME OF THEIR INVOLVEMENT AS WELL.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE WENT OVER THE BUILDING, EXISTING BUILDING, RESIDENTIAL FIRE, MECHANICAL PLUMBING, FUEL, GAS, ENERGY, AND SWIMMING POOL CODES ALONG WITH THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE.
UM, THE CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS, UH, DEVELOPS THIS BOARD AND CHOOSES YOU GUYS TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE.
I'M SURE IF YOU PUT YOUR GLASSES ON, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE, UM, THAT WE, UH, SOLICIT INVOLVEMENT FOR MOST FROM MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE ON ONE OR MORE OF THOSE, UM, STAKEHOLDER GROUPS.
SO I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
SO HOW, HOW THE PRESENTATION IS LAID OUT IS, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF, NOT ALL OF, LET ME REPHRASE, UM, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE AMENDMENTS WE MADE TO CHAPTER 10.
AND THEN THE SECOND PORTION IS GONNA BE SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO EACH CODE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF JUST REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, OR IF YOU WEREN'T ON THAT COMMITTEE, YOU UNDERSTAND AMENDMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THAT, UH, TO THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WE ADOPTED AS WRITTEN.
SO THE FIRST THING IS, UH, WELL, A LOT OF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN ADOPTING THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE ABOUT, UH, WELL, ABOUT ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO NOW.
UM, SO WE ADDED THAT INTO OUR CHAPTER 10 NOW.
SO WE RENUMBERED A FEW THINGS AFTER THAT.
IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR, SORRY, THIS IS TOO SMALL FOR ME, A NEW REQUIREMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
A LOT OF YOU WERE ALSO INVOLVED IN, IN UPDATING THE NO NOISE ORDINANCE, BUT WE PUT IN OUR CHAPTER 10 JUST TO GIVE, UH, EVERYBODY KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION NOISE REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE THEY CAN FIND THEM IN, UH, THE CITY CODE CHAPTER 21.
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THE MANY OF THE BUILDING CODES ALSO INTRODUCE NEW SECTIONS TO THEIR CHAPTER ONE.WE DON'T ADOPT MOST OF THE CHAPTER ONES OF THE CODES, SO WE DEVELOP OUR OWN.
BUT WE DID PULL IN SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY, THAT SOME OF THE BUILDING CODES HAD, UH, PROPOSED FOR THEIR CHAPTER ONE.
ONE WAS THE STOP WORK ORDER FOR EMERGENCIES TO STATES WHERE EMERGENCY EXISTS.
THE BUILDING OFFICIALS SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED TO GIVE WRITTEN NOTICE, AGAIN, EMERGENCY SITUATION ONLY, AND ALSO WITH UNSAFE STRUCTURES AND EQUIPMENT THAT IF THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DEEMS THAT THE STRUCTURE IS UNSAFE, UM, THE OWNER OR OWNER'S AGENTS REQUIRED TO CORRECT IT, REPAIR IT, OR DEMOLISH IT.
SO WE JUMP RIGHT INTO SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THE I B C.
ONE OF 'EM WAS TO ALLOW ROOFTOP CANOPIES, UM, ON ROOFTOPS.
WE GAVE SOME LIMITATIONS THERE.
ANOTHER, UH, CHANGE WE MADE WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY, ANY UPDATES TO CHAPTER 11 FOR FIRE CODE AMENDMENTS WAS REFLECTED ALSO IN OUR CHAPTER 10.
SO, AGAIN, THOSE WERE ALL AMENDMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD AND VOTED ON, BUT JUST REITERATED IN OUR CHAPTER 10 BUILDING AMENDMENTS.
SO THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE ADDED TO THE I B C, AN EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS, UH, ALTERNATIVE METHODS FOR LUMINOUS EGRESS PATH MARKINGS FOR HIGH RISE BUILDINGS.
THAT WAS BASED ON SOME CODE MODIFICATION REQUESTS THAT WE HAD SEEN AND APPROVED.
SO WE WANTED TO ADD IT AS AN OPTION, UM, FOR THE LUMINOUS EGRESS PATH MARKINGS.
UM, THE, WE MOVED QUICKLY ONTO THE I R C.
WE UPDATED THE TABLES IN THE I R C WITH THE WIND SPEED, UM, UPDATED IT FROM ONE 15 TO 108 MILES AN HOUR, JUST BASED ON THE I R C MAPS WIND SPEED MAPS.
THE NEXT ONE, UM, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE CODE, THE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS REQUIRED.
SO THOSE OPENINGS ARE REQUIRED TO OPEN DIRECTLY TO A PUBLIC WAY OR A YARD OR COURT.
THEY ADDED THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE 36 INCHES.
UM, BUT WE HAD NOT BEEN ENFORCING, UH, THOSE ESCAPE RESCUE OPENINGS TO OPEN DIRECTLY INTO A PUBLIC WAY.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO TAKE THAT OUT BECAUSE IT WOULD GREATLY IMPACT HOW TOWN HOMES, HOW, HOW TOWN HOMES ARE DEVELOPED.
SO, UM, WE'D NEVER SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
SO THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WAS TO REMOVE THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM IN THE I R C WAS IN THE MECHANICAL SECTION.
WE MODIFIED THIS SLIGHTLY TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR ONLY FOR NEW DWELLINGS TO INCLUDE DWELLINGS, EXISTING DWELLINGS WHERE YOU INSTALL, UM, NEWLY INSTALLED HEATING APPLIANCES IN THE ATTIC.
SO THIS MAKES SURE THAT THERE'S ACCESS TO THE ATTIC WHERE YOU HAVE NEWLY INSTALLED EQUIPMENT.
SO THE NEXT ITEM WERE SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
SO WE DELETED, WE REMOVED ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ENHANCED CLASSROOM ACOUSTICS FOR GROUP E OCCUPANCIES.
IT HAPPENED IN SEVERAL, WELL, IT APPEARED IN SEVERAL LOCATIONS, ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS, CHANGE OF OCCUPANCIES.
SO WE HAD SEVERAL AMENDMENTS TO REMOVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THE NEXT ONE, WE DELETED THE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. SO THAT, UH, REQUIREMENT WAS FOR YOU TO UPGRADE THE ELEVATORS TO PROVIDE THAT TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION SYSTEM IN AN EXISTING BUILDING, EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T TOUCHING THE ELEVATOR.
BUT IF THE WORK AREA EXCEEDED 50% OF THE BUILDING, YOU WERE REQUIRED TO THEN BRING THE ELEVATORS UP TO COMPLIANCE.
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE DELETED WAS THE REP, WAS OUR CURRENT AMENDMENT THAT, UH, THAT EXCLUDED THE LANGUAGE OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS TO ALLOW THE LARGEST SIZE TO BE, UM, TO BE INSTALLED FOR THOSE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS.
ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE WAS TO REMOVE ALL OF THE 2021 LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWED SPRINKLER AND NON SPRINKLERED AREAS TO BE SEPARATED BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN A FIRE BARRIER.
IT WAS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH AN EXISTING AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD.
SO WE JUST REMOVED ALL OF THAT NEW LANGUAGE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS FOR THE N E C.
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KNOW, DUE TO HOUSE BILL 24 39, WE HAD TO REMOVE NUMEROUS AMENDMENTS THAT INCLUDED, UH, WIRING METHODS AND INSTALLATION AND CABLE TYPES.THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL OF THE CODES.
THE NEXT ITEM, WE MADE A CHANGE TO THE, UH, LOCATION IN OR ON PREMISES.
SO THIS ALLOWS, NEWLY INS ONLY REQUIRES NEWLY INSTALLED OVER CURRENT DEVICES, UM, TO BE SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN, UM, NEAR IGNITABLE MATERIAL IN A CLOSED CLOSET STORAGE ROOM.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING MAINTENANCE OR UPGRADES, YOU CAN KEEP IT IN THE SAME PLACE.
SO THE NEXT ITEM IS AMENDMENTS TO THE I M C.
THIS IS FOR THE ACCESS PORT CAPS.
SO WE REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LOCKING CAPS ALTOGETHER.
SO THIS IS, UH, IN REFERENCE TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, DOESN'T REQUIRE THE LOCKING CAP ON THOSE REFRIGERANT SYSTEMS. THE NEXT ITEM, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT GOING ON WHEN THE FIRE CODE, I'M SORRY, THE FUEL GAS CODE.
UM, WE JUST, UM, HAD TO REMOVE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS THAT, THAT HAD RESTRICTIONS ON INSTALLATION AND MATERIALS DUE TO THE HOUSE BUILT.
SO FOR THE PLUMBING CODE, ONE OF THE MAIN ITEMS THAT WE HAD TO, UM, ADJUST WAS THE CONDENSATE DISCHARGE.
SO THIS NEW CODE LANGUAGE, THIS NEW CODE SECTION, ALLOWS THE DISCHARGE TO, UM, THE CONDENSATE DISCHARGE TO GO DIRECTLY TO TO GROUND.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE PERMIT IN THE CITY, AND WE JUST REFERENCED, UM, THAT IT SHOULD BE COLLECTED PER THE SAS REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW BUILDINGS.
NEXT ITEM WAS THE FIXTURE CALCULATIONS AND THE PLUMBING CODE.
AND THE NEXT SECTION I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT IS IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE GENDER NEUTRAL BATHROOM FACILITIES.
SO THIS SECTION IS SPECIFIC FOR FIXTURE CALCULATIONS, AND WE ADMITTED IT TO SPECIFY THAT THE, THE URINALS ARE TO BE PROVIDED WITH WALLS AND DOORS AND CLOSING THE FIXTURE.
THE NEXT SECTION IS REALLY WHERE THAT LANGUAGE, UH, LIES AND ALLOWS THOSE, UH, FACILITIES TO BE GENDER NEUTRAL.
SO WE, UH, IT'S STILL PERMITTED AND THIS AMENDMENT, UH, JUST SPECIFIES THAT THOSE WATER CLOSETS AND URINALS SHALL BE ENCLOSED WITH WALLS AND A DOOR WHERE, WHERE THE BUILDING OWNER CHAIRS TO HAVE CHOOSES TO HAVE THOSE SHARED FACILITIES.
WE ALSO REMOVED OUR COSA AMENDMENT FOR ANTIS, ANTIS SIPHON DEVICES.
UH, THIS JUST ALLOWS MORE, UM, MORE OPTIONS WHEN INSTALLING.
UH, WHEN INSTALLING THESE, WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT FOR DISCHARGE PIPING FOR WATER HEATERS.
THAT'S A, THERE'S A LONG LIST OF, OF THOSE, WE ADDED ONE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO CONTINUING ON WITH THE PLUMBING CODE, WE ALSO HAD TO REMOVE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS DUE TO THE HOUSE BILL THAT RESTRICTED THE MATERIALS AND, AND INSTALLATION.
WE ALSO DELETED OUR AMENDMENTS THAT REFERENCED, UH, BUILDING SEWERS AND CHANGE OF DIRECTION.
WE DECIDED WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD GOING STRAIGHT CODE THERE.
THERE WERE OTHER CODE SECTIONS THAT, UH, THAT HELD THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO IF THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THOSE OTHER CODE SECTIONS, WE DIDN'T SEE THE NEED TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THESE SECTIONS SPECIFICALLY.
UM, THERE WAS A NEW SECTION, UH, IN THE I P C THAT WE DID REMOVE.
IT WAS REGARDING, UM, RELINING AND REHAB OF BUILDING SEWERS.
SO THAT SECTION SAYS THAT THE CODE OFFICIALS REQUIRED TO EVALUATE THE PRE-INSTALLATION RECORDED VIDEO CAMERA SURVEY.
AND I'LL JUST SHARE THAT AS A YOUNG E I T THAT WAS ONE OF MY VERY FIRST JOBS WAS TO WATCH V H S TAPES OF SEWER REHAB.
SO WE DECIDED THE CODE OFFICIAL WILL NOT DO THAT.
AND, UH, WE'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE LICENSED ENGINEER TO, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SUITABLE FOR REHAB.
SO WE ALSO CHANGED THAT AGAIN, THE POST INSTALLATION WOULD ALSO BE REVIEWED BY AN ENGINEER, AND THEN THAT ENGINEER OR A, AN ENGINEER WOULD CERTIFY IT AT THE END.
SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, AS A, AS A NEW CHANGE TO THE ENERGY CODE WAS THE ENERGY MONITORING FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
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INCREASED THAT FROM 25,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR, UH, NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.THERE WAS ALSO, UM, A CHANGE TO THE INSULATION FOR RESIDENTIAL, THE INSULATION MINIMUM R VALUES.
UH, IT HAD CHANGED TO 49 FOR THE CEILING.
AND AS A GROUP, WE DECIDED WE'RE KEEPING THAT AT 38.
SO THAT WAS, UH, UM, A BIG CHANGE FROM THE 2021 CODES.
WE'RE GONNA STAY WITH THE 2018, UM, STANDARD THERE WITH R 38 IN THE CEILING.
WE DELETED THE TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL MECHANICAL VENTILATION SYSTEMS. UM, WE FELT THAT WAS AN UNDUE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE SYSTEMS ARE ALREADY REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED PER OTHER CHAPTERS OF THE I R C.
WE ALSO REMOVED THE, UH, ELECTRICAL POWER AND LIGHTING SYSTEMS REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, THEY REQUIRED LOW-RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO COMPLY WITH COMPLEX COMMERCIAL PROVISIONS.
UM, AND FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
THE INTERIOR LIGHTING PROVISIONS INCLUDED DIMMERS OCCUPANCY SENSORS, UH, WHICH IS ANOTHER UNDUE COST, BUT ALSO DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE BECAUSE THE CODE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TEETH AND ALLOWED OTHER CONTROLS, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A SWITCH TO CONTINUE WITH THE, UH, ENERGY CODE.
FOR THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, WE ADDED ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CAPABLE, UH, PROVISIONS.
SO THIS INCLUDES, UM, A REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL A CIRCUIT BREAKER FOR FUTURE ELECTRICAL VEHICLES AND TO PROVIDE RESERVE PARKING FOR THOSE ELECTRICAL VEHICLES.
FOR THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL SIDE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWN HOMES WAS TO PROVIDE CAPACITY TO INSTALL A CIRCUIT BREAKER FOR THOSE FUTURE SOLAR USES AND FOR THE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE SIDE.
FOR RESIDENTIAL, UM, ALSO ONLY, UH, ONLY FOR ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWN HOMES WITH GARAGES, UH, WAS TO PROVIDE A DEDICATED RECEPT RECEPTACLE FOR THOSE ELECTRICAL VEHICLE USES.
MOVING ON TO THE FIRE CODE, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE ADDED, UH, OPERATIONAL PERMIT REQUIRE FOR SPRAY BOOTHS THAT INCLUDE THE SPRAYING, DIPPING OPERATION USING FLAMMABLE COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS.
THEY ALSO CHANGE THE FIRE HAZARD PROHIBITED.
SO THIS ALLOWS, UM, UM, THIS DOES NOT ALLOW THE, UH, THE USE OF OPEN FLAME COOKING WITHIN FIVE FEET, UH, OF ANY ADJACENT STRUCTURE OR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
CRYSTAL, CAN I, WE HAVE A QUESTION.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE EV ONE PLEASE? THE EV FOUR RESIDENTIAL.
FOR COMMERCIAL, THE PRIOR SITE, IT'S YOUR LANGUAGE VERBATIM.
I KNOW, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT TRIGGERS THAT FIRST REQUIREMENT, BUT THE OWNER DOES NOT HAVE TO DESIGNATE AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION WHERE THOSE WOULD GO.
JUST THE CAPACITY SO THAT IT, THE 4 0 9 0.2 TRIGGERS WHAT THE CAPACITY IS IN 4 0 9 0.1.
DO YOU PROPOSE THE, THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE REVISED? LANGUAGE DOESN'T NEED TO BE.
BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE CLEAR THAT YOU'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE IN THE PANEL, AND THEN AS YOU PUT IT IN, YOU CAN PUT IT IN WHEREVER YOU WANT AND YOU HAVE POWER TO DO THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM THAT WAS ADDED TO THE FIRE CODE WAS REQUIRED ACCESS.
SO WE'VE ALWAYS REQUIRED A MINI MINIMUM WIDTH OF FIVE FEET OR OF CLEAR SPACE AROUND ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING EXTERIOR.
THAT WAS A CODE INTERPRETATION THAT WAS WRITTEN MANY YEARS AGO.
NOW WE JUST PUT IT IN THE CODE, UH, THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO A CHANGE TO FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.
SO THIS REQUIRES THEM TO BE LABELED AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE REQUIRED, OR A NOTICE TO BE DISCLOSED, UH, TO THE OCCUPANT ON WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER IS.
AND IT ALSO, UM, ELIMINATES THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE LABELS TO BE FORWARD FACING.
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IN, IN OUR CHAPTER 10 AMENDMENTS IS FOR THE, UH, SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.SO WE ADDED IN THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE POOLS AND SPAS, UH, THAT PROVIDE LIFTS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LIFTS LIFTS ARE LISTED AND LABELED AND INSTALLED PER THE ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS AND THE ELECTRICAL CODE.
UH, WE ALSO DELETED THE SWIMMING POOL SIGNAGE SECTION, AND WE REPLACED IT WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OR REFERENCE TO THE TEXAS, TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF STATE HEALTH SERVICES STANDARDS.
ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR ON AMENDMENTS? NOW WE'RE GONNA JUMP INTO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
CRYSTAL, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
UH, HOW HAVE WE IDENTIFIED THOSE ITEMS THAT SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES DECIDED TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE, THE SUPER BOARD CAME BACK TOGETHER? UH, WE HAVE A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE WANNA DISCUSS DURING THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, AGENDA ITEMS. YEAH, WE'VE BEEN TRACKING THOSE.
ROBERT, OR, OR HAVE YOU BEEN TRACKING THOSE AS WELL? I'M SURE, UH, COLLECTIVELY YOU GUYS WON'T LET US FORGET ABOUT THOSE.
THAT WAS THE LIST YOU SENT OUT ALSO, WASN'T IT, JEREMY? DIDN'T YOU SEND THAT OUT? SO THE LIST I SENT OUT WAS, I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO HAVE AS MUCH DETAIL COMING INTO THIS MEETING AS POSSIBLE.
SO I TOOK ALL THE SPREADSHEETS THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND COMBINED THOSE INTO ONE AND SENT THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY TO HAVE AS REFERENCE.
THAT WOULD NOT BE EVERYTHING THAT WE STILL HAVE TO DISCUSS.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEES AS A WHOLE.
OKAY, SO SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE 2021 I B C WERE THAT, UH, PUZZLE ROOMS WERE DEFINED AND REGULATED.
SO THESE ARE, UH, PART OF THE SPECIAL AMUSEMENT AREAS.
SO WE CAN EASILY, UH, EASILY IDENTIFY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE ALONG WITH A NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE DEFINED AND REGULATED FOR THE MECHANICAL ACCESS ENCLOSED PARKING GARAGES.
SO THAT REQUIRES A SEPARATION, SMOKE REMOVAL, FIRE CONTROL EQUIPMENT, AND FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS DOORS FOR THOSE, THOSE, UH, SPECIFIC OCCUPANCIES.
SO THE BUILDING CODE ALSO ADDED REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHEN AN ATRIUM CONTAINS AN INTERIOR EXIT STAIR.
SO THIS IS GREAT TO GIVE DESIGNERS MORE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN LAYING OUT THE, THE FLOOR PLAN OF A BUILDING.
THE BUILDING CODE ALSO ADDED IN REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIPPING CONTAINERS.
SO WE'VE BEEN SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THESE OVER THE LAST SIX TO SEVEN YEARS.
AND THIS JUST GIVES DESIGNERS, UH, SPECIFIC GUIDELINES THAT WHAT WILL, AS TO WHAT WILL BE REQUIRED AT PERMITTING, UH, THE BUILDING CODE NOW WILL ALLOW CERTAIN USES AND SIZES OF GROUP H TWO AND H THREE OCCUPANCIES TO NOT BE LOCATED ON THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
AGAIN, JUST MORE DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR THE BUILDING.
ADDS LOTS OF SEVERAL NEW TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION FOR, UH, TYPE FOUR HEAVY TIMBER, ALONG WITH NEW TESTING REQUIREMENTS AND INSPECTION METHODS, UH, FOR THAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, ALSO CHANGED THAT MIXED OCCUPANCY BUILDINGS, UM, WITH ASSEMBLY SPACES COLLECTIVELY OVER 2,500 PEOPLE IS NOW A RISK CATEGORY THREE.
SO THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WOULD BE THOSE ASSEMBLY SPACES, UH, THAT REPRESENT A SUBSTANTIAL HAZARD TO HUMAN LIFE IN THE EVENT OF A FAILURE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE LIKE YOUR CONVENTION CENTERS.
THOSE ITEMS WOULD NOW BE A, WELL WOULD BE A RISK CATEGORY THREE.
THE NEXT ITEMS TO DISCUSS ARE THE CHANGES TO THE I R C.
SO THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
UM, SOME ADDED LANGUAGE WHEN STAIRWAYS AND RAMPS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY.
WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ON, UH, ON THIS.
SO, STAIRWAYS THAT, THAT GO FROM YOUR SIDEWALK UP TO YOUR DRIVEWAY OR UP TO YOUR PORCH WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY.
UH, JUST A ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. ALSO CLARIFICATION THAT, UH, SPRAY FOAM PLASTIC INSULATION HAS TO MEET MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR FLAME SPREAD INDEX, UH, OR N F P A STANDARDS.
THE I R C ADDER REQUIREMENTS FOR SMOKE ALARMS TO BE PROVIDED WHERE THE CHANGE IN CEILING HEIGHTS IS GREATER THAN 24 INCHES.
UM, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THAT AS WRITTEN.
THE R C CLARIFIES HABITABLE ATTICS.
IT CAN ONLY BE HALF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STORY BELOW, OR IT WOULD BE INCLUDED, UH, AS A, AN ADDITIONAL STORY.
THE I R C UPDATED, UH, WIND SPEED MAPS TO MATCH THE I B C AND THE A S C CCE SEVEN.
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UH, I R C ADDED NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR DECKS AND GUARDRAILS.THIS IS GREAT FOR OUR AREA WHERE WE SEE, UH, TWO STORY DECKS OR, UH, ELEVATED DECKS.
THE I R C UPDATED THE LIMITS ON THE PLACEMENT BRACE.
WALL LINES, UH, VERY IMPORTANT IN RESIDENTIAL REVIEW HERE.
ADD REQUIREMENTS FOR GARAGE DOORS TO HAVE A PERMANENT LABEL WITH INFORMATION.
SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE ITEMS DURING INSPECTION.
A FEW CHANGES TO THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
SO EXTERIOR WALLS, UM, WHERE THEY'RE REPLACING MORE THAN 15% OF THE TOTAL WALL AREA KICKS YOU BACK TO THE I B C, UM, SORRY, I SKIPPED ONE.
UH, CHANGES CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT OF EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS TO PROVIDE BE PROVIDED WITH A CHANGE OF USE.
WE WOULD ALREADY REQUIRE THAT FOR, UH, FOR NEW BEDROOMS OR WHERE EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS ARE REQUIRED.
UH, THE I I E B C ALSO CLARIFIED ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT, MAYBE ADDED TO A ROOF WITHOUT FULL STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS WHEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET.
LESS THAN 400 POUNDS WAS ONE OF THOSE AS REQUIREMENTS FOR A RETENTION SYSTEM ADJACENT TO EXISTING STRUCTURES TO BE ENGINEERED.
SO A FEW CHANGES, UH, ON THE N E C.
THE N E C OVERALL, UH, IMPROVED ELECTRICAL SAFETY FOR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS.
UH, SO THAT HELPS TO IMPROVE SAFETY.
UM, ON THE EXTERIOR EMERGENCY DISCONNECTS, THE N E C ALSO REVISED SERVICE DISCONNECT RULES TO AND HELP TO HELP, UH, INCREASE SAFETY AS WELL DE-ENERGIZE THOSE PANEL BOARDS.
UM, THE N E C REQUIREMENTS REQUIREMENTS TO MEET THE INSTALLATION PRACTICES OF NEW AND EVOLVING TECHNOLOGIES, LIKE I MENTIONED, ALWAYS NEW, UH, AND INNOVATIVE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND, AND WAYS TO DO THINGS.
AND THE, THE N E C IS ON TOP OF THAT.
SO IT MODERNIZES THE TABLES CURRENTLY USED FOR CALCULATIONS TO REFLECT IMPROVEMENTS IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
UM, THOSE LOAD CALCULATIONS INCLUDES NEW USER-FRIENDLY NUMBERING FOR IMPORTANT AMPACITY TABLES, UH, AND ADDS COVERING CABLES INSTALLED, EXPOSED ON CEILING SURFACES AND SIDEWALLS.
A FEW CHANGES TO THE MECHANICAL CODE, UH, CLARIFIED REQUIREMENTS FOR EXHAUST TERMINALS AND DUCTS.
SO THAT'S THE CLOSED DRYER EXHAUST, UM, REQUIRED TO BE AT LEAST THREE FEET FOR MINI OPENING ADDS CONTROLS FOR THE EXHAUST SYSTEM FOR THOSE, UM, MANICURE AND PEDICURE STATIONS.
THAT HAS TO BE, UH, INTERLOCKED WITH THE POWER SOURCE OF THE LIGHTS.
WE HAD SOME, UH, SOME FUN DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UH, THE REFRIGERANT TABLES WERE UPDATED.
THAT WAS TO, UM, JUST KEEP UP WITH, UH, WITH THE CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY.
THE I M C ALSO ADDED THE CONDENSATE TERMINATION IDENTIFICATION MARKINGS.
THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY PRIMARY AND SECONDARY CONDENSATE LINES.
UM, AND THEN ADDED THOSE DISCHARGE REQUIREMENTS THAT THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE 2018.
THE, A GOOD ADDITION TO THE I M C, UH, UPDATED OPTIONS FOR DUCT PENETRATING FIRE BARRIERS.
UM, SO THAT, UH, DEFINITELY GIVES DESIGNERS ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, UM, IN THEIR DESIGN OF, OF LAYOUT OF BUILDINGS.
FEW CHANGES, SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE FUEL GAS.
AGAIN, IN THE FUEL GAS, UH, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO, I IDENTIFY THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY DRAIN FOR CONCEALED CONDENSATE.
THE FUEL GAS CODE ALSO CLARIFIED, UH, THE WALL VENT TERMINAL CLEARANCE DISTANCES IN A NEW TABLE.
AND, UM, VERY NICE, UM, UH, A VERY NICE ILLUSTRATION.
UM, THE FUEL GAS ALSO CLARIFIED.
COMMERCIAL COOKING APPLIANCES ARE NOT ALLOWED WITHIN DWELLING UNITS FOR THE PLUMBING CODE.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE WERE TWO NEW METHODS OF RELINING AND REHAB OF EXISTING SEWERS.
UH, WE HAD A COUPLE MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE SECTIONS, BUT AGAIN, REALLY ADOPTED AS WRITTEN.
ADDS A REQUIREMENT FOR A MAIN SHUTOFF VALVE FOR EACH TENANT IN A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MULTI-USER TOILET FACILITIES.
SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL OPTION IN THE PLUMBING CODE, INCLUDING, UH, RAINWATER HARVESTING SYSTEMS. SO THE I P C NOW
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HAS, UH, ALTERNATIVES TO UTILIZE THE RAINWATER HARVESTING, UM, PLUMBING CODE.ALSO ADDED ALLOWANCE TO USE FIXTURE DRAINS, CONNECTIONS FOR TRAP PRIMER, UM, AND AN ALLOWANCE FOR A FIXTURE TRAP TO BE USED AS A CLEAN OUT EQUIVALENT.
SO, AGAIN, EXPANDING THE, THE DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES IN THOSE BUILDINGS.
COMMERCIAL ENERGY CODES, SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, UH, INCLUDED THAT INCREASED INSULATION REQUIREMENTS AND REDUCED FENESTRATION FACTORS.
UM, SO THE R VALUES WENT UP AND THE U FACTORS WENT DOWN.
WE ADOPTED THOSE, UH, THOSE MODIFICATIONS AS WRITTEN.
UM, IT ALSO EXTENDS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ENVELOPE AIR LEAKAGE TESTING AND VERIFICATION.
SO THAT'S OUR, UH, BUILDING TH THERMAL ENVELOPE REQUIREMENTS, UH, ADDED PROVISIONS FOR OPERABLE OPENINGS AND INTERLOCKING THOSE WITH THE MECHANICAL SYSTEM.
UH, PLANT GROWTH LIGHTING AND AUTOMATIC RECEPTACLE CONTROLS.
ALL ADDITIONAL, UH, GUIDANCE IN THE ENERGY CODE, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
WE ALSO UPDATED THE EQUIPMENT EFFICIENCY REQUIREMENTS, UH, OR THE ENERGY CODE UPDATED THOSE THIS YEAR.
UM, ADDED SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR DATA CENTERS, REALLY BIG IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, TO HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, REALLY JUST REFERENCES AT ASHRA 90.4 THAT ALREADY HAD SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR DATA CENTERS.
JUST GIVES THEM MORE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, ENERGY REQUIREMENTS.
WE ADDED THE REQ, UM, THE ENERGY CODE, THE 2021 ADDED REQUIREMENTS FOR LIGHTING CONTROLS, UH, AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING GARAGES.
UM, IT INCREASED THE NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL EFFICIENCY OPTIONS AND COMPLETELY REVISED THAT SECTION SO THEY'RE ALL IN ONE AREA.
UM, ALSO THE COMMERCIAL ENERGY CODE REFINED THE ENERGY RECOVERY VENTILATION SYSTEMS AS THE ESCALATORS ELEVATORS, THOSE RECOVERY OPPORTUNITIES AND COMMERCIAL USES ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
UM, THE IR, THE ENER, THE I E C C, UH, INCREASE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR PERMITTING TRADE-OFFS AGAINST OTHER FEATURES.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SOME INCREASE IN R VALUE, UM, OR ADDITIONAL TRADE-OFFS WITH HVAC OR LIGHTING CONTROLS.
ADDED THE REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE R VALUES TO BE VISIBLE ON THE INSULATION.
NOT, NOT, NOT TOO BIG OF A DEAL, UM, BUT REDUCED THE AIR LEAKAGE AROUND ELECTRICAL BOXES.
UM, AND GIVING, GIVING, UH, BUILDERS THE OPTION ON, UM, ON HOW TO, UH, REDUCE THAT AIR LEAKAGE.
SO THE I E C C FOR RESIDENTIAL CLARIFIES DUCT LOCATION AND INSULATION REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS GIVES MORE GUIDANCE ON ARE YOUR DUCKS IN A CONDITIONED OR UNCONDITIONED SPACE.
UM, AGAIN, REDUCE THE FENESTRATION NEW FACTORS AND SOLAR HEAT GAIN, NOT THE R VALUES.
'CAUSE UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN OUR AMENDMENTS THAT WE CA KEPT THE SAME 2018, UH, REQUIREMENT.
UH, AND SIMILAR TO THE, THE COMMERCIAL PROVISIONS, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL SECTION ADDED ADDITIONAL EFFICIENCIES AS WELL.
AGAIN, INCREASING THE TRADE OFF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SWIMMING POOL.
NOT TOO MANY MAJOR CHANGES FOR THE SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE.
UH, NOW WE HAVE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE AND, UH, DEFINITION FOR THE INTERACTIVE WATER PLAY FEATURES.
SO THOSE ARE SPLASH PADS, UM, OR SPRAY PADS.
SO THERE'S, UM, GOOD GUIDANCE IN THE SWIMMING POOL CODE NOW FOR THOSE.
THE SWIMMING POOL CODE ADDED THE EQUIPMENT CLEARANCES, LIGHTING, VENTILATION, DOOR OPENINGS FOR PUBLIC POOLS AND SPAS, UM, AND CREATED REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION FENCING AND BARRIERS.
UM, UPDATED THE, THE BARRIER REQUIREMENTS, BUT NEW IS THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING REQUIREMENT.
UM, DURING, DURING CONSTRUCTION, SOME OF THEIR MAIN MAJOR CHANGES TO THE I F C.
UM, THE I F C NOW ADDS, UH, FIRE SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN OCCUPANCIES.
UH, THOSE SPRINKLERS FOR PARKING GARAGES, ALARMS FOR PUBLIC, AND SO SELF STORAGE.
BUT, UH, THOSE ARE NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC FIRE SYSTEMS. UH, REFINES THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. LOT OF EXPANSION IN THIS AREA.
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UM, BIG FOUR, SAN ANTONIO.UH, SO THESE WOULD BE GOOD REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINE.
WE SEE A LOT OF, UH, A LOT OF THOSE DISTILLERIES WANTING TO HAVE, UH, ASSEMBLY USES, NOT JUST THAT INDUSTRIAL USE ANYMORE.
SO IT'S GOOD GUIDANCE TO, TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH YOU CAN STORE, UM, OF THOSE, UH, SPIRITS AND WINE AND AN EXPANSIVE PROVISIONS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S HAVING WATER ON SITE, UM, HAVING THE FIRE WATCH FOR THOSE LARGE, TALL BUILDINGS.
UH, SO THOSE ARE ALL INCLUDED IN THE FIRE CODE THIS YEAR.
OH, SO NEXT STEPS, AUGUST 25TH, WE ARE PLANNING TO GO TO PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
SO THIS A SUBCOMMITTEE OF COUNCIL.
THAT'S OUR FIRST STEP TO TAKE FORWARD ALL THE BUILDING CODES THAT YOU GUYS GIVE THUMBS UP TO GET LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A GREAT THING.
WE AGREE WITH, UM, WITH THE CHANGES IN AMENDMENTS.
AND, UH, WE AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE.
AND THEN AROUND SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WE'LL TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, INCLUDING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO CHAPTER 10 TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN WE ALWAYS, AFTER APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO GIVE THAT 90 DAY OR SO GRACE PERIOD TO ALLOW PROJECTS TO FINISH UP UNDER THEIR CURRENT CODE.
UH, SO WE'RE, WE WILL IMPLEMENT THE 2021 CODES JANUARY 1ST, 2023.
SO THAT'S WHEN ALL OF Y'ALL'S HARD WORK, HARD HARD WORK WILL BE DONE.
AND DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS MIKE RUST.
SO THE, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND THERE WAS THAT SLIDE THAT LISTED ALL OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE, ARE YOU ALL GONNA SEND OUT A REQUEST TO EACH ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE LETTERS? YES, WE DO.
DEFINITELY WITH SUPPORT FROM YOU GUYS.
IF YOU TALK TO YOUR ORGANIZATION, SAY, HEY, I WAS A PART OF THIS AND, AND I DO AGREE, UM, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
BUT YEAH, WE, WE WILL REQUEST THAT.
AND JUST, UH, THE, THE SLIDESHOW IS THIS, UH, FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.
CAN WE GET A COPY OF THIS MAYBE TO SHARE WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS OR, OR DO YOU NOT WANNA DO THAT? YEAH, NO, WE HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.
WE, WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE, UM, THIS TO BE VIEWED AND, UM, AND USED HOWEVER YOU GUYS FEEL THE NEED, AS LONG AS YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, OKAY.
UH, SO REALLY WE'RE, AS THIS PRESENTATION GOES ON, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY FINAL APPROVALS OF EVERYTHING UNTIL ALL THAT PROCESS GOES THROUGH, RIGHT, JEREMY? SO WHERE WE KINDA STAND, WE HAD THE COMMITTEES, WE AT THIS POINT HAVE A DRAFT OF CHAPTER 10 AND DRAFT OF CHAPTER 11 THAT WAS SUBMITTED OUT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT'S ATTACHED TO, UH, THE AGENDA.
SO I KIND OF HAD TO GO THROUGH DOING IT THAT WAY.
BUT IF YOU GO TO THE AGENDA ONLINE AND GO TO EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE SECTION, WHICH IS EACH AGENDA ITEM IS A DIFFERENT ARTICLE OF CHAPTER 10, AND THEN ARTICLE THREE OF CHAPTER 11, WHICH IS THE FIRE CODE.
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THAT ROUGH DRAFT OF CHAPTER 10 AND 11 AND REVIEW THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.
IT'S LIKE WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE COMMITTEES, HERE'S ALL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE FOR ADOPTING THOSE SECTIONS OF EACH CODE, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY DIALOGUE, ANY CONVERSATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS, STAFF, AND THE BOARD TO LOOK AT THOSE, REVIEW THOSE, DISSECT 'EM AS MUCH AS ALL WOULD LIKE, AND THEN ULTIMATELY VOTE TO APPROVE THE DRAFT OF CHAPTER 10 AND THE DRAFT OF CHAPTER 11.
THE GOAL FOR THAT DATE WAS THE AUGUST 25TH.
SO AUGUST 25TH IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COM.
UH, COMMITTEE OF CITY COUNCIL.
SO PRIOR TO THAT IS WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE THIS BOARD APPROVING IT AND GET THOSE LETTERS TO SUPPORT ROUGHLY MID TO LATE JULY.
I, I NEED ABOUT 30 DAYS BEFORE THAT MEETING ON AUGUST 25TH TO HAVE THAT DONE.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE TODAY'S MEETING.
IF THERE'S A FOLLOW-UP MEETING NEEDED FOR THIS BOARD, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TRY TO GET THAT SCHEDULED IN SUCH A TIMEFRAME THAT WE, WHATEVER Y'ALL HAVE TO STAFF OR STAKEHOLDERS, Y'ALL WANNA GET SOME MORE INPUT BEFORE FINALIZING AND APPROVING CHAPTER 10 AND 11.
SO THE NEXT MEETING, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FINALIZING THAT AT THAT TIME WITH PLENTY OF TIME TO GET WHAT WE NEED TO CITY COUNCIL'S COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND, AND BE READY FOR THAT AUGUST 25TH.
'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, ONCE WE GET THAT AUGUST 25TH APPROVED, THEN WE'LL HOPEFULLY GET ON THE SEPTEMBER, MAYBE OCTOBER TIMEFRAME FOR FULL
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CITY COUNCIL.AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S OFFICIALLY VOTED IN AND APPROVED.
AND THEN WE GIVE THAT GRACE PERIOD FOR JANUARY 1ST.
IF THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE OR A STAKEHOLDER GOES TO THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE FOR A CHANGE, IS THAT COMING BACK HERE TO BE REVIEWED AGAIN? OR DOES THAT JUST GONNA, A BIG CHANGE IS GONNA GET MADE WITHOUT AN, ANY OF US KNOWING THAT THE CHANGE IS BEING MADE? I, I WOULD SAY, AND I MEAN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CORRECT.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COUNCIL.
I'M SURE WE GOT SOME CLARITY COMING.
OH, I, I THINK MIKE MIGHT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THIS ARENA.
MIKE'S SHANNON, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO, UM, SO LET ME JUST, I THINK I'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT AGAIN, UH, THE PART OF THE PROCESS WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW IS TO PRESENT TO THE FULL BOARD AND WE'D LIKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, OF THE BOARD OF AS IS AS MODIFIED.
HOWEVER, UH, MY, MY JOB IS TO, UH, HOPEFULLY THE AUGUST 25TH COUNCIL COMMITTEE IS TO PRESENT THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, CERTAINLY MY RECOMMENDATION AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND OUR TEAM, WE HOPE TO, WE HOPE TO BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
BUT IF THEY PROPOSE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES SMALL OR LARGE, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
HOWEVER, IF IT'S LARGE, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION LIKELY TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL OR THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE THAT WE MAY, WE MAY TAKE THAT PIECE OF IT AND, AND, AND HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION WITH THIS BODY.
BUT ONCE WE MAKE IT TO A COUNCIL COMMITTEE, IT'S REALLY THEIR DIRECTION TO GIVE US, UH, TO MOVE IT FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL ADOPTION AS MODIFIED SMALL OR LARGE.
UH, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY KEEP THIS GROUP AND WE WOULD WELCOME AND, AND REALLY REQUEST AS MANY AS POSSIBLE TO, TO BE PART OF THAT AS IT GETS TO THE FINISH LINE, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER OCTOBER, UM, UH, ADOPTION.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, MARK, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
SO I GUESS AT THIS TIME WE'RE NOT GOING TO, OR WE COULD, BUT WE COULD APPROVE IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, OR DO WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYBODY HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT SOME MORE ON YOUR OWN? WHICH Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS DO WE NEED? THIS IS MIKE RUS.
DO WE NEED TO, ROBERT BROUGHT UP THE ITEMS THAT WERE KIND OF TABLED TO THIS COMMITTEE.
CAN WE APPROVE WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND THEN GO TO THOSE, OR, OR DOES THAT NOT FIT THE, THE TIMING? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY IT'S EASIER TO FINALIZE EACH ARTICLE OR THE CHAPTER AS A WHOLE AND VOTE TO PROVE THAT.
AND IF WE NEED TO COME IN AND LOOK AT SOME STUFF.
SO FIRST I WOULD SAY WE HAVE SAS HERE, UH, AND THERE MIGHT BE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT ITEMS. SO WE CAN PROBABLY START WITH THAT FIRST, SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
THAT WAS, I, I THINK MAYBE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DID GO THROUGH THE COMMITTEE, UM, BUT IT WAS ASKED TO COME TO THE FULL BOARD.
SO THAT'S, WE CAN START WITH THAT.
AND THEN ALONG WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT THE OTHER COMMITTEES ASKED US TO TAKE TO THE FULL BOARD, WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT THOSE, LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE, AND THEN ADD THAT TO THE DRAFT OF CHAPTER 10 OR 11.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT WE CAN EITHER ADD IT HERE AND Y'ALL CAN, Y'ALL CAN IMPROVE IT OR DEFINITELY WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES, GET IT BACK OUT TO THE FULL COMMITTEE AND YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, REVIEW THEM AND HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO RESEARCH THAT AND PROVIDE BACK.
AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TOGETHER AT ONE TIME AND, AND AT THAT TIME VOTE.
BUT SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS DO IT ALL TOGETHER AFTER WE YES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PIECEMEAL LIKE WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THOSE SPREADSHEETS INSTEAD JUST BE ONE BIG DOCUMENT OF THAT DOCUMENT'S GOOD VERSUS THIS SECTION, NOT IN THESE, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO IT AT ONE TIME.
I THINK TO EVERYBODY HERE DOES IT.
SO I, I THINK, WE'LL, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE ON FROM THIS AND WAIT TILL ALL THAT PROCESS HAPPENS AND THEN YOU'LL SEND IT BACK OUT AGAIN AND THEN WE CAN DO OUR APPROVAL AT THAT POINT.
WELL, I MEAN, WE'LL TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS TODAY.
UH, GO OVER THAT AND HOPEFULLY, IF NOT APPROVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, AT LEAST GIVE US GUIDELINES THAT WE CAN GET SOMETHING TOGETHER AND SEND IT OUT TO Y'ALL.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE ITEMS THAT WE STILL WANT TO ADDRESS TO THIS FULL BOARD, UH, THAT WE CAN FINALIZE CHAPTER 10 AND 11 AND GET IT OUT FOR Y'ALL PLENTY OF TIME, YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE WEEK WINDOW TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW AND COME BACK TO, UH, MAKE ANY RECOMMENDED CHANGES.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY MORE THAT YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT TODAY? UH, CORRECT.
YEAH, SO SAS DOES WANT TO COME AND TALK ABOUT, UM, THE, I THINK IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE PLUMBING CODE THAT WE WOULD'VE TO LOOK AT.
SO I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH AGENDA ITEM AND ARTICLE THAT IS, BUT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE WANNA REVIEW SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, UH, MOSTLY THAT WE DIDN'T BRING TO THE COMMITTEE.
ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS RESTRUCTURING OF ARTICLE, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ARTICLE 12, LICENSE AND REGISTRATION, WHICH IS NOW ARTICLE 13 WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SWIMMING POOL BALL CODE.
WE DID A LOT OF RESTRUCTURING IN THAT, NOT OF, WELL, ONE ITEM THAT WE WANNA BRING UP ABOUT, UH, CERTIFICATION, BUT ALSO MOSTLY
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RESTRUCTURING AND JUST TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE REPEAT SUSPENSION AND REVOCATIONS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TRADES THAT FALL INTO THAT.SO IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, CHOP DOWN FIVE OR SIX PAGES OFF THE, THE TOTAL DOCUMENT, BUT WE WANNA GO OVER THAT WITH Y'ALL AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT THOSE ARE AS WELL.
UH, AS LONG AS, AS WELL AS I KNOW THE I B C OR THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE AT THE LAST ENERGY CODE, UH, BROUGHT UP IDEA OF A VEGETABLE REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR OCCUPANCIES.
AND WHILE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT ON THE ENERGY SIDE, THE INTENT OF THAT WAS MORE OF A SAFETY CONCERNS FOR OCCUPANCIES AND THAT COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THAT WE LOOK AT THAT UNDER THE I B C.
SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND SEE WHAT LANGUAGE THERE MIGHT BE FOR THAT.
THOSE ARE KINDA THE MAJOR ITEMS WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE CAN CLEAR OUT TODAY.
BUT ALSO, ONCE AGAIN, WHATEVER THINGS Y'ALL WANNA LOOK AT, WE CAN PULL UP ANY OF THE EXISTING SPREADSHEETS AND KIND OF REVIEW THINGS AT THIS POINT.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE Y'ALL HAVE A FULL CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEING APPROVED, WHERE YOU CAN FIND THAT OUT, WHERE YOU CAN RESEARCH IT, UM, AND BE REALLY COMFORTABLE TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING AND SAY, YEAH, I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M APPROVING AND HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR, OR IF YOU DO HAVE RECOMMENDED CHANGES, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THEN.
BEFORE WE CONTINUE, DO WE WANT TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? DOES ANYBODY NEED A BREAK OR ARE Y'ALL ALL GOOD? EVERYBODY SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE GOOD.
ALRIGHT, WELL YOU WANNA CONTINUE ON THEN? YEAH, I THINK SO.
SO, UM, SAWS, I THINK Y'ALL CAN PROBABLY START FROM THERE.
I'M WITH THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM, UM, AND, UM, I HAD COME TO PRESENT ON THREE AMENDMENTS.
I'M GOING ONLY GONNA PRESENT ON TWO, UH, ONE, WHICH WE DID NOT PRESENT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, THAT LOOKED AT THE PLUMBING CODE AND ONE WE DID, UH, WHICH THEY FELT, UH, THEY NEEDED SOME MORE AN QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WHICH WE HOPEFULLY HAD THOSE ANSWERS TODAY, BUT ALSO IT'S A VERY LARGE ISSUE.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA SKIP THE FIRST ONE.
THAT ONE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH.
UM, BUT WE'RE THE LOOKING AT A BACKFLOW SERIAL NUMBER, UH, AS IT RELATES TO INSULATED BACKFLOW ASSEMBLIES AND THEN THE REVISED LEAD AND COPPER, UH, PIPE IDENTIFICATION.
UM, THE FIRST ONE, UM, RECENTLY SINCE THE FREEZE PEOPLE HAVE INSULATED THEIR BACKFLOW ASSEMBLIES, UM, THEY LEAVE THAT INSULATION ON, UM, ON, WE GO OUT FOR INSPECTIONS OF NEW INSTALLS.
UH, WE GO OUT FOR, IN INSPECT RANDOM INSPECTIONS IF THAT BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY HAS BEEN INSULATED.
UH, AS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, OUR INSPECTORS CANNOT SIT THERE AND TAKE THAT INSULATION OFF.
WE HAVE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH SOMEONE TO TAKE THAT OFF.
UM, THE STATE FORM REQUIRES, UH, THE MAKE MODEL AND SERIAL NUMBER OF THESE BACKFLOW ASSEMBLIES.
ALSO, OUR INFORMATION AND OUR DATABASE REQUIRES IT TO MEET STATE REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING THAT IF YOU HAVE AN INSULATED BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY, UH, WE'RE ASKING THAT THERE BE SOME KIND OF A WEATHERPROOF TAG ON THE OUTSIDE THAT HAD THE MAKE MODEL AND SERIAL NUMBER.
UH, WE'D ASK THAT THAT BE PUT IN THE, UH, CON CONTAINMENT, THE FREEZE CONTAINMENT SECTION IN THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE 6 0 8 0.15 SECTION.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY HAD TO REMOVE THE INSULATION IN THE PICTURE.
UM, AND THE IDENTIFICATION TAG IS UP TOWARD THE TOP, UH, OF THE CUT.
THAT JUST BEING A, COULD BE A LAMINATED CARD THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA GO, OKAY, LET ME JUST TAKE A MARKER AND WRITE THAT, THAT, UH, WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA TAKE A MARKER AND WRITE IT ON THE OUTSIDE THE INSULATION AND IT'LL, IT'LL RUN OFF.
AND SO WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME KIND OF WEATHER PROOF TAGGING SO THAT THE WEATHER, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
A LAMINATED CARD WOULD BE FINE.
AND THIS IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY? UM, YES.
UM, ANYTHING NEW, UH, COMING IN, UM, AS THEY TAKE INSULATION OFF AND DO TESTING, THE ANNUAL TESTING THAT'S REQUIRED.
UM, AND THEY PUT THAT INSULATION BACK ON, WE WOULD LIKE A TAG THEN PUT ON, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT THEY GO BACK NOW AND, AND PUT TAGS ON ALL OF THEM.
SO WE PRESENTED THIS TO THE COMMITTEE.
IT WAS A LARGE ISSUE AND, UM, THEY DID SAY THEY FELT LIKE THIS WAS PROBABLY A LARGER ISSUE THAT NEEDED TO GO, UH, UP THE CHAIN.
UM, BUT THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE ANSWERED.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW RULE EVER SINCE FLINT, MICHIGAN OCCURRED.
UM, EPAS BEEN LOOKING AT NEW RULES FOR LEAD AND COPPER AND THEY'VE
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MADE SOME VERY, UH, SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THAT, VERY AGGRESSIVE CHANGES.AND THEY HAVE COME BACK WITH THOSE NEW RULES AND THOSE RULES WENT INTO EFFECT IN DECEMBER 16TH, 2021.
UM, IT HAS A NUMBER OF THINGS WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
WHAT IT REQUIRES IS THAT WE INVENTORY, OR ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INVENTORY ALL SERVICE LINES, SERVICE LATERALS FOR EVERY HOUSE, EVERY BUSINESS WE HAVE METERED BOTH ON THE SAW SIDE AND ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE METER.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE LOOKING FOR LEAD.
UM, SO, UM, THIS INVENTORY, WE HAVE TO TURN INTO THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY T C E Q.
AND IT IS DUE ON OCTOBER 16TH, 2024.
UM, WHEN WE TURN THAT IN, WE ARE HOPING THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND WE FEEL LIKE, UH, SAN ANTONIO'S IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
WE FEEL LIKE OUR MAINS ARE, ARE FREE OF LEAD.
UM, BUT WE DO THINK THAT THERE WILL BE SOME LEAD OUT THERE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO FIND AND FIX THAT LEAD, UM, IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH.
BUT IF THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF LEAD OUT IN THE SYSTEM, THEN AT THE SAME TIME WE TURN IN THAT INVENTORY, UH, OCTOBER 16TH, 2024, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE AN ACTION PLAN OF THOSE LEAD LINES.
UM, THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT, UH, TO HAVE SOME OF THEM REMOVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT PER YEAR.
IF IT'S UNKNOWN, UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAKEUP OF THE SERVICE LATERAL IS, THEN IT'S CONSIDERED LED BY E P A UNTIL YOU PROVE DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S CONSIDERED LEAD AND WE WILL HAVE TO GO IN AND EITHER DIG UP OR REMOVE OR SOMETHING.
SO, UM, THIS IS A VERY, UM, AGGRESSIVE REGULATION.
ADDITIONALLY, IN THREE YEARS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THIS INVENTORY OUT ON OUR WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THESE WHERE THERE'S LEAD BEEN FOUND WHERE IT'S UNKNOWN, SO FORTH.
AND WE HAVE TO UPDATE THAT ANNUALLY AS WE BRING INFORMATION IN.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING OR ASKING TODAY IS THAT IF THERE IS WORK BY A PLUMBER ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF THE METER, UM, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE REALLY ANY RECORDS, UM, WE'RE ASKING THAT THE PLUMBER, IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXPOSE THAT LINE, UH, REPAIR IT, REPLACE IT SO FORTH, BUT THEY DUG IT UP THAT THEY IDENTIFY THAT PIPE, THAT PIPE, UH, USING A LEAD SWAB, WHETHER IT HAS LEAD OR NOT.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, WE WOULD, UH, ASK THAT IT, UH, IF IT'S GALVANIZED, THAT IT BE IDENTIFIED BECAUSE IF IT HAS HAD LEAD UPSTREAM OF THAT GALVANIZED, UM, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO REMOVE ALL GALVANIZED PIPE WHERE THAT LEAD WAS UPSTREAM OF IT.
'CAUSE THAT GALVANIZED COLLECTS PARTICLES OF LEAD ACCORDING TO EPAS.
UH, LOOK, UH, WHAT, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS IF THAT LINE'S EXPOSED, IF SWAB THAT, THAT LINE, SEE IF IT'S LEAD, TAKE A PICTURE OF IT, SEND IT INTO US, AND THAT ALLOWS US, UH, TO KNOW WHETHER THERE'S LEAD IN THAT SERVICE ALLOW AND WHETHER IT'LL IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHAT IF LEAD PIPING IS FOUND, AND THIS IS WHERE THE QUESTIONS WERE AND IT TOOK A WHILE FOR US, IT'S T C E Q IS NOW STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE REGULATIONS.
WE'RE STILL UNDERSTANDING, BUT WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF THE CONSULTANTS FROM FLINT AND SO FORTH.
WHAT WE WILL DO IF LEAD MATERIAL IS FOUND, UH, WE WILL PROVIDE EDUCATION MATERIAL.
THEY WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF LEAD, UM, ON LEARNING DISABILITIES, NERVOUS SYSTEMS, SO FORTH TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS OFFER TO REPLACE THAT LINE.
WE WILL PUT IT IN AN INVENTORY, AND WHEN WE'RE READY TO REMOVE THAT LINE, THEN WE WILL GO TO THE OWNER AND WE WILL OFFER TO REMOVE THAT LINE.
NOW, IT WILL BE DONE AT THE CUSTOMER'S EXPENSE.
IF THE OWNER REFUSES TO, UM, REMU REMOVE THAT LINE, THEY THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT AT THAT TIME.
UM, WE WILL COME BACK AGAIN, SECOND TIME LATER ON.
UH, WE WILL DOCUMENT IT BOTH TIMES AND IT WILL JUST BE DOCUMENTED.
WE CANNOT FORCE ANYBODY TO REMOVE THAT LEAD LINE.
OKAY? SO, BUT WHAT WE WILL DO IS ANNUALLY PROVIDE EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS OUT TO THAT SITE.
THAT SITE WOULD ALSO, IF THEY ALLOW US, UH, WE WOULD, THIS WOULD BE A SITE THAT WOULD BE SELECTED POSSIBLY FOR LEAD SAMPLING.
UH, UNDER OUR LEAD COPPER RULE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SPREAD OF SAMPLES
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WE TAKE THROUGHOUT THE CITY ABOUT 50 SAMPLES.UM, IT'LL BE A HUNDRED THIS FIRST TIME.
AND, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO SELECT THE SITES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST POTENTIAL FOR HAVING LEAD TO SAMPLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT WE'RE ASKING THAT THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE BE PUT INTO, UH, THE PLUMBING CODE UPON EXPOSURE OF THE WATERLINE FOR REPAIR, REPLACEMENT OR INSPECTION.
A PLUMBER OR THEIR EMPLOYEE OR AGENT PERFORMING SUCH WORK SHALL PERFORM A TEST ON THEIR EXPOSED PIPE MATERIAL.
AND ANY EXPOSED CONNECTORS ARE SOLDER FOR THE PRESENCE OF LEAD TESTING METHODS SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM SAWS CONSISTENT WITH T C E Q OR E P A GUIDELINES, PHOTOGRAPHS OF TESTING AND PIPE MATERIAL MUST BE TAKEN AND SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO SAWS WITH 10 BUSINESS DAYS OF RECEIVING TEST RESULTS.
TESTING IS NOT REQUIRED ON PIPE MATERIAL THAT IS PART OF INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENTS OR CONSTRUCTION THAT OCCURRED AFTER 2014.
THAT SCOTT, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY.
WHEN YOU SAY IT'S THE OWNER'S EXPENSE, IT'S ONLY THE OWNER'S EXPENSE ON THE, THEIR SIDE OF THE METER? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE, UH, WE HAVE GOOD RECORDS ON OURS, BUT, UH, IF, UH, WE DISCOVER LEAD, UM, WE WILL HAVE TO REMOVE OURS.
IF, IF AN OWNER WERE TO HAVE A LEAD LINE AND THEY INFORM US THEY ARE REMOVING THEIR LEAD LINE AND WE DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF OURS, THEN WE HAVE 45 DAYS, UM, TO CHECK.
AND IF WE HAVE LEAD ON OUR LINE, WE WILL HAVE TO REMOVE IT WITHIN 45 DAYS.
BUT IF THE OWNER REPLACES THEIR LEAD, THEIR LINE, THAT MAY HAVE SOME CONTAMINATION FROM LEAD AND SAWS DOESN'T REPLACE THEIR SIDE OF THE METER, DOESN'T THAT RECONTAMINATE THE, UH, OWNER'S SIDE OF THE METER LINES? UM, NO.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN BUILDINGS, OLDER BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE CITY THAT HAVE INTERIOR PIPES THAT ARE ALL GALVANIZED OR COPPER? WELL, COPPER.
IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER.
YOU JUST SAID GALVANIZE COLLECTS THE DEAL.
ARE YOU GOING, IS SAWS GOING TO REPLACE THE GALVANIZED PIPE IN A ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU CONTAMINATED WITH LEAD THE OWNER'S PIPES? IF WE HAD, IF WE HAVE LEAD ON OUR PART, WE, AND WE WERE, WE HAVE TO INFORM THEM THAT WE WOULD BE REMOVING IT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE IT, REMOVE OURS, AND THEN WE HAVE TO OFFER THEM TO REMOVE IT UP TO THE POINT WHERE THAT PIPE ENTERS THE BUILDING.
SO NOT THE INTERNAL PIPING, BUT THAT PIPING THAT GOES UP THE BUILDING, WE WOULD REMOVE THAT GALVANIZED AT AT YOUR EXPENSE? NO, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SO, SO MY GALVANIZED PIPE THAT DOESN'T HAVE LEAD IN IT AND YOU'VE DELIVERED WATER TO MY WHAT? NON LEAD PIPE AND YOU HAVE NOW CONTAMINATED MY PIPE BY YOUR DELIVERY OF WATER SERVICE.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SAS NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPLACING THE WHOLE PIPE IN THE WHOLE BUILDING BECAUSE YOU PUT LEAD IN THE BUILDING AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD ONLY REPLACE THAT PART THAT WAS GALVANIZED IF THEY, IF THEY WANTED TO PAY FOR IT.
I'M STRUGGLING HERE TO PUT INTO WORDS IF THE UNDERGROUND LINE IS GALVANIZED AND THE BUILDING, LIKE THE ACTUAL SERVICE LINES INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE ALSO GALVANIZED, WHAT DO WE ACCOMPLISH BY REPLACING REPLACING THE AND THE WATER LINE? I MEAN, IF THAT'S CONTAMINATED, IT'S ALL CONTAMINATED, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, ASIDE FROM A LESSON ON WHY THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T DO THINGS, UM, LIKE JUST THIS WHOLE PROCESS SEEMS UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS AND JUST BECAUSE, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO PAWN OFF AS MUCH AND, AND I'M, I DON'T MEAN THIS TO SOUND PERSONAL 'CAUSE I, IT'S NOT INTENDED THAT WAY, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PAWN OFF AS MUCH OF IT ON THE OWNER AS POSSIBLE JUST TO, TO MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE.
I MEAN, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO REPLACE PART OF A GALVANIZED LINE TO, TO SATISFY BUREAUCRATS SOMEWHERE WHEN IF, IF WE ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS MORE PER PERVASIVE.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, THIS WHOLE THING JUST IS, IS KIND OF BAFFLING, BAFFLING TO ME.
IT, WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS WE, WE, FROM LOOKING AT OUR TAP SHEETS FOR OUR SERVICE LINES, WE FIND VERY LITTLE LEAD THAT'S, THAT'S IN ANY OF IT.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS,
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IT'S GOING TO BE A, UH, I MEAN IT'S RARE, RARE WHEN WE COME ACROSS ANY LEAD.AND SO WE THINK IT IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY MINIMAL.
I MEAN, WE'VE TALKED TO OUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE PEOPLE WHO'VE WORKED IN OPERATIONS FOR 30 YEARS PLUS, AND THEY KNOW OF NO LEAD LINES THAT ARE OUT THERE, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A VERY LOW RISK, A VERY LOW RISK THING LIKE YOU'VE JUST SAID.
AS SOON AS THERE'S A A, YOU KNOW, AS IN, IN, IN A C Y A, YOU KNOW, E P A ENVIRONMENT, AS SOON AS THERE'S A MINUTE AMOUNT OF LEAD IDENTIFIED, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE A PIPE AND YOU'VE JUST CREATED A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CAUSE OF ACTION AGAINST ANYBODY THAT OWNS A PROPERTY AND RENTS IT OUT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE EVERY BIT OF PIPE IN A BUILDING.
THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY GONNA HAVE TO.
UM, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN I'VE KNOWINGLY EXPOSED MY RESIDENT TO, TO LEAD.
I MEAN THE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S WHENEVER THIS DECISION WAS MADE TO, TO TO FORCE THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS KNEE JERK REACTION TO SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT, THAT YOU SAY IS REALLY NOT A PROBLEM.
THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND ALL THESE RESOURCES AS SOLVES, THAT WE'RE ALL PAY, THAT WE ALL PAY FOR, THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO FUND, UM, AND IN SOCIETY THAT THIS IS GONNA JUST ADD ANOTHER EXPENSE TO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN SOCIETY FOR ESSENTIALLY NO REASON AND IN, IN PROBABLY THE MOST INEFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE.
UM, I JUST, I STRONGLY OBJECT TO ADDING ANYTHING LIKE THIS INTO THE, INTO THE, TO THE CODE OH, SCOTT.
SCOTT, UH, MY INTERPRETATION, I MIGHT BE WRONG, AND YOU CAN CLARIFY IT FOR ME.
I THINK WHAT MR. ROSS AND, UM, MR. RUST ARE SAYING IS IF THERE'S GALVANIZED PIPING FROM THE CUSTOMER SIDE OF THE METER GOING THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AND IT'S TESTED AND, AND LETS DISCOVERED, WHERE DID THAT LEAD COME FROM? UH, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE, I UNDERSTAND THE, WHAT THE IDEA IS BEING PUT ACROSS.
IT'S JUST THAT IS, THAT'S THE REGULATION THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON, ON NOT ONLY US, BUT EVERY PUBLIC UTILITY ACROSS THE NATION.
WE ARE ALL TRYING TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THIS AT THIS POINT, POINT.
SO IF, IF YOU WERE THE CAUSE OF THE CONTAMINATION, YOU SHOULD BE LIABLE FOR THE DELIVERY AND REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE DAMAGE YOU'VE DONE TO OUR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, LET LEAD WHERE WOULD BE THE MOST COMMON INSTANCE OF LEAD IN THE SAW SYSTEM IN THE SAUCE SYSTEM.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAID YOU FOUND IT ALREADY, WHERE, WHERE, WHAT KIND OF PIPE IS IT IN P V C PIPE? IS IT IN, IS IT IN COPPER PIPE? IS IT IN, YOU KNOW, NO GALVANIZED PIPE.
IT IS, IT IS, IT IS STEEL PIPE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET YOUR LEAD SOURCE AND STEEL BEING GALVANIZED OR STEEL BEING BIG SERVICE LINE WATER GALVANIZED HAS A COATING.
IT HAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF LEAD ALREADY IN IT, BUT IT HAS AN ATTRACTION THEN, I GUESS FOR LEAD PARTICLES.
NO, BUT, BUT THE LEAD PARTICLES CAME FROM SOMEWHERE, WHICH MEANS IT CAME FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE METER.
AND SO IN, IN WHICH, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IN THE OLD PIPES THAT HAVE BEEN ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO, WHEN THEY BURIED STEEL PIPE TO DELIVER WATER, THAT IS THE MOST COMMON PLACE THAT THE LEAD CAME FROM.
SO ON YOUR SIDE OF THE SYSTEM, WHAT KIND OF PIPE UNDERGROUND WOULD CAUSE LEAD CONTAMINATION? AND YOUR ANSWER WAS, IF I'M CORRECT, WAS STEEL PIPE.
SO ON OUR SIDE OF THE, THE METER, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN POSSIBLY IN A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, OLD COMMERCIAL BUILDING, ALL THE PIPE IS EITHER GALVANIZED IT'S COPPER OR IT'S P V C OR PECS.
AND SO IF THERE IS CONTAMINATION IN THE GALVANIZED PIPE THAT COLLECTS THE PARTICLES, IT CAME FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE METER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD, IF THERE IS NO STEEL PIPE ON OUR SIDE OF THE METER PIPE, IF THERE WAS NO STEEL PIPE ON THAT SIDE AND THERE WAS STEEL PIPE IN OUR SERVICE, LATERAL, UH, WAS LEAD, THEN YES, OUR, WE WOULD BE THE SOURCE.
WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS WE HAVE 143 BOXES OF TAP SHEETS, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE BOXES CONTAINS ON AVERAGE 2000 TO 2,500 TAP SHEETS.
WE'RE CURRENTLY SCANNING ALL OF THOSE IN, WE'VE DONE 90 SOMETHING BOXES THAT WE'VE SCANNED IN, AND WE'VE YET TO FIND A LEAD PIPE IN ANY OF THOSE TAP SHEETS.
SO THIS IS, AS I SAID, IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY MINIMAL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THE 200 AND HOWEVER LONG SAW HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE,
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YOU KNOW, ALL THE PIPE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN REMOVED, THAT'S CONTAMINATED OR BUILDINGS.I, I MEAN, I, I'M ASSUMING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT IN THE OLD SAWS PIPES THAT WERE PUT IN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO OR WHENEVER THOSE WERE STEEL PIPES AT SOME POINT, I DON'T, THAT I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS IF WE DON'T, IF WE CAN'T GET AN AMENDMENT LIKE THIS AND WE CAN'T GET THE INFORMATION, SAY OFF OF INTERNAL PLUMBING OR OFF, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WE HAVE TO GO POTHOLE ON PEOPLE'S PRIVATE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHY IF SOME, IF A PLUMBER IS GOING TO MAKE A REPAIR ANYWAY, THEN IF WE CAN SAVE DOING THAT TO SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEN THAT'S A BIG SAVE.
YOU KNOW, ALLS WE'RE ASKING IS A SWAB ON THAT LINE AND TAKE A PICTURE OF IT AND SEND IT IN.
BUT IT ALSO SAYS TO REMOVE A PIECE OF PIPE, YOUR PICTURE DOESN'T SHOW GALVANIZE YOUR PICTURES SHOWING COPPER.
NOW THEN YOU GOT A MAJORITY OF COPPER LINES IN THIS, IN SAN ANTONIO.
YOU'RE ALSO ASKING THE HOMEOWNER NOT JUST TO BE LIMITED TO GALVANIZE, BUT ALSO TO COPPER.
YOU'RE EXPANDING THAT REPLACEMENT OVER TO COPPER, OR IS YOUR PROOF OF PICTURE OF A PIECE OF COPPER SATISFY EPAS LEAD? THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE.
IF WE HAD A PICTURE OF COPPER PIPE, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
SO E P A IS, HAS DETERMINED THAT COPPER IS NOT LEACHING LEAD INTO THE, THERE'S, UH, THERE IS A LIMIT UNDER THE LEAD AND COPPER RULE.
UM, FOR OUR, WE'VE BEEN TESTING SINCE 19 2, 19 94.
WE'VE BEEN TESTING SINCE 1994.
AND COPPER IS ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUE FOR US.
IN FACT, LEAD FOR ALL THE TESTING THAT WE'VE DONE, OUR LEAD TESTING SHOWS, NON-DETECT.
AND SO, AND THAT IS, LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THAT SAMPLE IS TAKEN.
THAT SAMPLE, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE VOLUNTEERS RIGHT NOW, 50 AT ONE TIME IT WAS A HUNDRED.
WE GIVE THEM A A ONE LITER SAMPLING JUG.
WE GIVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS, THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THEIR WATER STAGNANT.
THEY CAN'T USE IT FOR SIX HOURS WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING BEFORE ANYBODY TURNS THAT WATER ON, THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS FILL THAT JUG, THAT LITER JUG, AND THEN THEY SEND IT TO US.
THAT WAY YOU'VE HAD SIX HOURS OF WHATEVER IS LEACHING FROM THE PIPE IN THERE, AND WE HAVE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO COPPER.
THE COPPER SWAB OR YOUR SWAB ON COPPER ISN'T GONNA SHOW YOU A LID, BUT YOU'RE ASKING THE SOLDER JOINTS TO BE SWABBED, WHICH ARE GONNA BE THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
THAT THERE IS A, IF IT'S OVER 2.2%, UH, LEAD IN SOLDER, THEN THAT'S TRUE.
AND ABOUT PRE 1984, EVERYTHING'S GONNA END UP GETTING RIPPED OUT.
ANY, ANYTHING, ANYTHING AFTER 1988 IS CONSIDERED LEAD FREE.
NO, I MEAN, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT E P A IS HAVING, IS DOING THIS.
AND, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S JUST THE, THE, WHERE IT'S HITTING.
I MEAN, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE G GALVANIZES OUR ISSUE, THE AL GALVANIZES RETAINING LEAD PARTICLES.
AND, AND THEN LEACHING IT BACK INTO THE WATER FLOW, YOU KNOW, BUT YET THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH GALVANIZED LEFT.
BUT WE GOT A LOT OF COPPER WITH LEAD SOLDER ON IT.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF THE DETERMINATION TO REPLACE COPPER FALLS ON YOUR LEAD OR YOUR LEAD SWAB BEING SWABBED ON SOLDER, I MEAN, WE'RE BACK IN THE SAME SITUATION AS HE IS.
I MEAN, NOW YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING FULL OF COPPER THAT HAS 50 50 SOLDER IN IT, AND NOW THEN YOU HAVE EPASS POWER OVER THE TOP OF YOU TO FORCE PEOPLE TO START REPLACING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE HARD THING WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
HEY, SCOTT, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, THIS CAME UP MANY, MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THE E P A WANTED TO CLEAN UP THE BROWN FIELDS AND THERE WAS SUCH LITTLE MOVEMENT ON IT.
THEY SET UP A, UM, A FUND, A SUPER FUND TO HELP CLEAN THIS UP.
UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT IN YOUR, UH, IN PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION THAT YOU'RE NOT FINDING THAT MUCH, BUT IS THERE SOME SORT OF FUND EITHER FROM E P A OR T C E Q TO SAY, HEY, THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS OVER HERE, UH, WE CAN APPLY FOR SOME, UH, FUNDING TO HELP, UH, RECTIFY THAT SITUATION? OKAY, SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, GOING THROUGH A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS WITH A, WITH A CONSULTANT
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TO BRING THEM ON BOARD.WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM.
UM, A PART OF THAT HAS BEEN THAT THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF FUNDING TEAM TO HELP US GET FUNDING.
NOW, TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAS WHAT THEY CALL REVOLVING FUNDS, UM, THAT, UM, WE CAN USE FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK THAT WE WILL TRY TO OBTAIN ADDITIONALLY.
UM, ONE, ONE ISSUE THAT WORKS AGAINST US IS WE ARE NOT CONSIDERED A DISADVANTAGED, UH, CITY UNDER THE, UNDER TCE Q'S REGULATIONS FOR FUNDING.
HOWEVER, WHAT OUR, IN TALKING TO THE CONSULTANTS, WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS IF WE HAVE, UM, SOME ISSUES, SOME LOCALIZED ISSUES OF LEAD, THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT'S BEEN PASSED, THERE'S ABOUT 11 BILLION THAT HAS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT.
AND WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO TRY TO OBTAIN SOME OF THAT FUNDING, BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE.
SO THIS IS MY CROSS AGAIN, I I'M STILL JUST COMPLETELY LOST HERE.
UH, SO THERE'S A, A PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO SAY, LIKE, PROVE THAT THE PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW IS NOT A PROBLEM, IS NOT A PROBLEM.
THAT I, I MEAN, LIKE, I MEAN, I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE HERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, I'M JUST, THIS IS BEYOND ALL REASON.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ASKING US TO PUT INTO CODE TO DO THIS SWAB WHERE IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE 2014 COMES FROM.
I MEAN, I KNOW BEFORE THAT WE WERE USING A LOT OF PECS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GET ROPED INTO THIS.
I JUST, I CAN'T SAY STRONGLY ENOUGH, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE CODE TO, TO DO IT.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF THIS, THIS COMMITTEE.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK WE ARE PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT'S ABOUT TO SPEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS SOLVING A PROBLEM.
AND IF ENOUGH OF THESE MUNICIPALITIES GOT TOGETHER AND WENT TO THE E P A AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU KNOW, GET, WELL, I WON'T FINISH THAT SENTENCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
UM, I MEAN, IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO CHANGE.
AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO TELL EVERYBODY TO TEST THEIR WATER, THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE THAN THIS.
THAT WOULD BE SOLVING A PROBLEM THAT WASN'T A PROBLEM.
BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD MAKE A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE THAT YOU CAN JUST SEE IF THERE'S ACTUALLY LEAD IN THE WATER BEFORE YOU START SWABBING ALL THESE PIPES AND GOING THROUGH THIS INVENTORY TO, FOR ALL THIS, I, THIS IS JUST SO BEYOND THE, THE REALM OF THE REASONABLE THAT I JUST, I CAN'T, I CAN'T EVEN FORM COHERENT SENTENCES.
I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR EDUCATION IS GOING TO BE TO TRY TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE LEAD OR NOT.
I MEAN, THE RA THE RULES PRIOR TO THIS HAVE ALWAYS CONCENTRATED ON TAKING THE SAMPLE, UM, TRYING TO USE TREATMENT FILTERS SO FORTH.
BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT E P A AFTER FLINT HAS SAID, OKAY, THIS IS, IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED, THE LEAD.
UH, WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO PROVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE LEAD THAT OCTOBER DATE I SHOWED YOU.
UM, OUR GOAL IS TO WALK IN THERE AND HOPEFULLY SAY WE ARE A LEAD FREE SYSTEM.
AND WHETHER THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW YET.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE NOT A, YOU CAN'T BE OF LEAD FREE SYSTEM.
IF, YOU KNOW, ON OUR SIDE OF THE, OF, ON OUR SIDE OF THE METER, YOU KNOW, EVERY PROPERTY THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 1970S OR BEFORE MOST LIKELY HAS COPPER GOING FROM THE METER TO THE POINT OF ENTRY INTO THE BUILDING AND IN, IN THE SEVENTIES.
AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON GEORGE, YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE PIPE THAT WAS CONNECTED WITH A A JOINT HAS 50 50, YOU KNOW, SOLDERS.
SO THERE IS LEAD IN EVERY SINGLE PIPE, BUT IT'S NOT LEACHING INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER HAS BEEN THERE THAT LONG ENOUGH HAS PROBABLY GONE, YOU KNOW, JACK UP MOREY HERE, SCOTT, THIS IS A, A TUMULTUOUS AT BEST DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING HERE.
AND, AND, UH, I DOUBT YOU'RE GONNA GET ANY APPROVAL HERE TODAY ON THIS DISCUSSION, BUT MORE SO IS YOU STARTING FROM, FROM WHAT I HEARD AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN YOU HAD, FIRST THING YOU SAID, YOU HAD TO HAVE AN INVENTORY, THAT'S IT.
BY OCTOBER OF 2024, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH BOXES, 143 BOXES THAT HAVE 2000 TAPS PER EACH.
I MEAN IT, BESIDES A GUY THAT GOES OUT AND DIGS UP A HOLE WHERE HE IS DOING REPAIR FOR A HOMEOWNER OR WHATEVER, AND HE HAS TO BRING IN SOMEBODY QUALIFIED AND HIS STAFF TO COME OVER AND DO A
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SWAB AND PUT IT IN THE PROPER WHATEVER RECEPTACLE TO SEND BACK TO Y'ALL.'CAUSE YOUR STANDARD PLUMBER'S PROBABLY GONNA SAY, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I AIN'T SWAPPING NOTHING.
A WHOLE NOTHER, SO IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER PERSON THAT, THAT'S ONE MORE LEVEL, BUT THAT IS MINUTE COMPARED TO THE, THE VAST OF NUMBER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO HOW WOULD YOU INVENTORY, BESIDES SEEING IN THOSE BOXES, HOW WOULD YOU INVENTORY ALL OF THE SYSTEM PRIOR TO 1988, EVEN BEF BY 2024 WITHOUT POTHOLING? ALL OF THESE CONNECTIONS? WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS, UH, AT THE METER BOX, YOU HAVE THE LINE COMING IN FOR OUR SERVICE LATERAL, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE PRIVATE SERVICE LATERAL HOPING TO LOOK AT THAT, HOPING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE PLUMBING PIPE RIGHT CLOSE AS IT'S ENTERING THE HOUSE, GETTING PERMISSION TO COME INTO THE HOUSE AND TESTING THAT LINE AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE HOUSE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST, HOPEFULLY FINDING HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION.
UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, LOOKING AT CODES AS-BUILTS, UH, THAT WE HAVE ON FILE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO FIRST.
THAT IS THE VERY LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A LOT OF EDUCATION, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THIS IS NEW AND CRAZY.
ONE MORE CRAZY THING THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR SOCIETY, BUT BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT, WHAT ARE ALL THE OTHER AREAS DOING? VIRGINIA AND ALL THESE OTHER PLACES ARE OLDER THAN SAN ANTONIO THAT, UH, HAVE SOME REALLY SPECIAL PIPING.
WE HAVE PARTICIPATED WITH THE AMERICAN WATERWORKS ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS KIND OF OUR, UH, BIG UTILITY AGENCY ACROSS THE NATION THAT COLLECTS, UH, HAS THE STANDARDS, UH, THAT WE OPERATE BY AND TRIES TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
UM, WE'VE TALKED TO OTHER CITIES.
WE ARE IN A LOT BETTER SHAPE THAN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES.
A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, UM, ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL, UH, AN INHIBITOR TREATMENT.
UM, THEY KNOW THEY HAVE LEAD LINES.
THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE OVER THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE ACTION LEVEL, WHICH IS THE HEALTH LEVEL OF 15 PARTS PER BILLION.
AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO END UP DOING IS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH PIPE LOOP, WHAT WE CALL PIPE LOOP STUDIES, WHERE THEY GO OUT AND THEY GET EXISTING PIPE, THEY SET IT UP, THEY RUN THEIR DIFFERENT WATER RESOURCES THROUGH IT, AND THEN THEY ADD WHAT WE CALL AN ORTHO ORTHOPHOSPHATE INHIBITOR.
AND THAT KEEPS THE LEAD FROM LEACHING OUT.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS FOR, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE IT'S GOT PHOSPHATE PHOSPHORUS.
IF IT GETS INTO CREEKS, LAKES, RIVERS, IT CREATES ALGAE BLOOMS. AND, UM, ALSO YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT.
THEREFORE, LIKE WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO MAINTENANCE ON A GROUND STORAGE TANK, WE HAVE TO EMPTY THAT TANK.
AND, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT ORTHOPHOSPHATE OUT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IT OUT AT OUR TREATMENT PLANTS DOWN FOR OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
AND IT, IT IS AN EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE THING, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE HAVING TO DO.
DENVER LOOKED AT THE COST OF DOING THAT, AND THEY JUST DECIDED TO PAY FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE LINES.
SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CITIES THAT HAVE PAID FOR THE REPLACEMENTS.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I THINK AS, AS YOU COME TO THIS GROUP, I, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE, UH, PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH THE POTENTIAL TESTING SIDE OF IT, BUT THE LIABILITY, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, DENVER'S REPLACING THE LINES.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET VERY MANY PEOPLE IN THIS GROUP TO TAKE THAT LIABILITY FROM THIS, FROM THE LATERAL LINE TO BUILDINGS AND SAY, YEAH, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR BABY.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET THERE.
SO I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION.
UH, AND, AND IF YOU GUYS WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A, A VOTE ON, ON WHETHER, WHETHER TO CONSIDER THESE AMENDMENTS TO THE I P C.
I THOUGHT WE YEAH, THERE SMITH, JUST WANNA CLARIFY HIS, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND ONE THAT WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSION ON.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS SEPARATE FROM THIS.
YEAH, IT WAS JUST TO PUT A TAG.
IF IT'S INSULATED ON THE BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY.
I, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT, UH, CHAIR.
SO I, WHY DON'T WE DO AN EASY ONE THERE.
FIRST, I, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE
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THE FIRST ONE, WHICH WOULD BE THE EPIDEMIC.CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THAT SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN OUR, ALL OUR HEADS ARE UPSIDE DOWN WITH THAT DISCUSSION.
I, I, YEAH, I'VE BEEN, IT TOOK ME AND STAFF A LONG TIME TO GET OUR HEADS AROUND THE RULE.
THAT'S WHY THE LAST TIME THEY WERE LIKE, COME BACK WITH MORE ANSWERS.
UM, THE, THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, WE'RE REQUESTING THAT A WEATHERPROOF TAG BE PLACED ON A BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY.
UM, IF THAT, UH, BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY IS INSULATED, MAKE AND MODEL OF THE AND SERIAL NUMBER OF THE YEAH.
WITH THE MAKE MODEL AND SERIAL NUMBER OF THE BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY.
SECOND CAN, EXCUSE ME, CAN I MAKE AN A MO OR A CONSIDERATION? IF YOU'RE GONNA ID, ID ALL OF THEM DON'T.
WHETHER THERE'S INSULATED OR NOT, MAKE IT A CLEAN RULE.
CAN, THIS IS JIM CANTRELL, HE'S MY SUPERVISOR OF BACKFLOW.
SO ID, ALL OF 'EM DO, I DON'T SEE THE FOR INSULATED ASIES BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY DIRTY TYPES OF EXISTING, BUT TRUE.
BUT YET YOU'RE, YOU, YOU RULING IS, OR YOUR REQUEST LEAVES THE WINDOW OPEN TO MISUNDERSTANDING.
IF YOU JUST SAY ALL NEED A TAG.
JUST LIKE C P SS WANTS ALL GAS METERS IDD TO APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER UNIT THEY'RE SUPPLYING, AS LONG, AS LONG AS IT'S SPECIFICALLY SAYS INSULATED.
BECAUSE IF IT HAS A TAG ON IT AND IT'S INSULATED OVER, THEN WE WON'T SEE THE TAG.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING.
SO I, TO LEAVE MOTION, IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND AS IS I HAVE A SECOND.
YEAH, WE NEED TO JUST CONSIDER THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE FOR RIGHT NOW AND THAT THAT COULD BE A SEPARATE ONE, GEORGE, OR, OR AN ADDITION LATER.
BUT I THINK WE GO WITH THE, THE MOTION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
I I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE FIRST PROPOSAL, UH, FOR BRIAN.
AND I THINK MR. RUSS DID THE SECOND ONE.
AND, UH, DO I HAVE ANY ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
DO WE NEED ANY MORE DISCUSSION? LET'S JUST GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I, I SECONDED IT TO PROVE THAT I'M NOT COMPLETELY RECALCITRANT
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT MOTION PASSES NOW YOU CAN TRY THE SECOND ONE.
UM, CAN YOU BRING UP THAT WORDING AGAIN FOR THE SECOND ONE? THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
SO, UM, I'M ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE.
UPON EXPOSURE OF THE WATER LINE FOR REPAIR, REPLACEMENT, OR INSPECTION, A PLUMBER OR THEIR EMPLOYEE OR AGENT PERFORMING SUCH WORK SHALL PERFORM A TEST ON THEIR EXPOSED PIPE MATERIAL.
AND ANY EXPOSED CONNECTORS OR SOLDER FOR THEIR, FOR THE PRESENCE OF LEAD TESTING METHOD SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM CONSISTENT WITH T C Q OR E P A GUIDELINES, PHOTOGRAPHS OF TESTING AND PIPE MATERIAL MUST BE TAKEN AND SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO SAWS WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS OF RECEIVING TEST RESULTS.
TESTING IS NOT REQUIRED ON PIPE MATERIAL AS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENTS OR CONSTRUCTION THAT OCCURRED AFTER 2014.
THIS IS EMIN, TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO BASED ON THIS, UM, IF I HAVE AN OLD HOUSE WITH COPPER, WITH SOME POTENTIALLY LEAD, UH, CONNECTIONS, THIS SAYS IF REPAIR, REPLACEMENT OR INSPECTION HAPPENS, THEN I NEED TO DO IT.
WHAT IF I DON'T DO ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND 2024? I NEVER EXPOSE MY PIPE, THEREFORE I'M NOT GONNA SWAP IT.
THIS BRIAN SMITH, SO THIS RIGHT HERE, A PLUMBER, IF THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT, IS GONNA CHARGE YOU FOR HIS TIME AND EFFORT TO DO ALL THAT.
SO IF, YOU KNOW THE, THESE ARE EXTRA COSTS THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING TO AN OWNER POTENTIALLY, UM, TO DO THIS.
HOW ABOUT THREE OH BUCKS, GARY KONZ HERE? UH, I DON'T SEE ANY VERBIAGE THAT SPECIFIES WHERE THE EXPOSURE OF THE, OF THE PIPE IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
IS IT, UH, FROM THE METER TO THE HOUSE OR IS IT IN THE HOUSE OR IN THE STRUCTURE? IT WOULD BE FROM THE, FROM THE METER TO THE POINT WHERE THE PIPE ENTERS THE HOUSE.
SO DO YOU HAVE TO TEST BOTH SIDES OF AT THE METER AND AT THE HOUSE OR JUST ONE PLACE? NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE ONE ON,
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WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, UH, PROOF ON BOTH SIDES.YEAH, NO, NO, I KNOW, BUT AT MY SIDE OF THE METER, IF YOU GO ONE FOOT OFF THE METER BOX, DIG A HOLE AND TEST IT, THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TEST FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY, CORRECT? I WOULD, I MEAN, PRESENTLY IT SAYS MO YES, MOST ANY EXPOSED.
WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE, UH, SUFFICIENT.
WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO, UH, GATHER A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE INTERNAL WHERE IT COMES IN IF WE COULD.
UH, BUT WE WOULD TRY TO DO THAT AND BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD WORK.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GONNA FIND WHERE IT GOES INTO THE HOUSE WITHOUT DIGGING UP EVERY HOSE BIB AROUND THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A GUARANTEE.
AND THEN YOU, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA TEST IT INSIDE THE HOUSE 'CAUSE NOBODY'S GONNA LET YOU, YOU KNOW, START TEARING THEIR WALLS APART TO FIND THE MANIFOLDS, YOU KNOW? YEAH, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T TEAR WALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'D HAVE TO BE EXPOSED PIPE JACK UP MORE HERE.
JUST TO, JUST TO CLARIFICATION IT, IT DOESN'T SAY OUTSIDE IN THE FRONT YARD BY THE METER POLE OR ANYTHING.
IT SAYS ANY EXPOSED CONNECTORS OR SOLDER, MEANING THEY GO IN THE HOUSE, WHICH A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY HAVE A, A CONNECTION THAT BROKE AND WATER'S LEAKING ALL OVER THE HOUSE.
NOW THEY'VE ALREADY HAD TO DO SOME WORK IN THERE.
THEY'VE GOTTA TEST THAT BY WHAT THIS SAYS.
IT SAYS ANY, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE NEED SOME, WE WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION, UH, OF AN AMENDMENT TO IT, TO THAT SPECIFIES BETWEEN THE METER TO THE POINT WHERE THE PIPE ENTERS THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, HOPEFULLY WE CAN SAVE YOU THE, THE WORK ON THAT.
AND JUST, AND I THINK YOU ALSO NEED TO SPECIFY, IF WE'RE GONNA REALLY LOOK AT THIS, WHAT THE TESTING METHOD IS.
SO YOU, YOU MADE IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, $1 BRUSH SWAB DONE OVER FINISH.
THE, THE WAY THIS LANGUAGE READS IS THAT SAWS COULD PASS A RULE SAYS YOU HAVE TO SEND IT OFF FOR TESTING SOME TO SOME AGENCY.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE, THERE ARE VERY, I MEAN, WE OWN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 400 DIFFERENT RESIDENTIAL KIND OF PROPERTIES AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY DIG UP THE FRONT YARD ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, TO REPAIR ONE OF THE PIPES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, I I I, I WILL TELL YOU ON THE SWAB TEST, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE SWAB TEST IS ALL WE'RE EVER GONNA REQUIRE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS ALLOWED UP IN THE NORTH, UH, WITH E P A, UH, AND WITH FLINT SO FORTH.
AND WE ONLY PUT GUIDELINES WITH T C E Q OR AN E P A JUST TO COVER IN CASE THEY EVER CHANGED IT AND SAID, NO, SWAB TEST IS NOT, BUT SWAB TEST IS, IS ACCEPTED, AND WE USE IT FOR OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE INSPECTIONS.
IT'S USED FOR CUSTOMER SERVICE INSPECTIONS ARE OUT.
IT'S, IT'S A WIDELY ACCEPTED METHOD.
SPENCER RAM, I HAD A REAL QUICK QUESTION.
LIKE I'M LOOKING AT ENDGAME HERE.
SAWS 2024, YOU GUYS CAN'T CLAIM TO BE LEAD FREE OR A HUNDRED PERCENT LEAD FREE.
WHAT THEN HAPPENS, DO Y'ALL MOVE TO THE, THAT, THAT MEANS THAT MEANS PHOSPHATE PROCESS OR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO TURN, AT THE SAME TIME WE TURN THAT INVENTORY IN, WE HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHERE WE KNOW LEAD IS, UM, HERE'S AN ACTION PLAN.
AND IF, IF FOR SOME REASON WE WENT OVER OUR ACTION LEVEL ON TESTING, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE AT A MINIMUM 3% OF LEAD LINES A YEAR.
IF WE DON'T, THEN WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK OUT WITH T C Q A SCHEDULE FOR HOW FAST, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO, UH, WE CAN REMOVE THOSE LEAD LINES THAT WE'VE, WE'VE FOUND, UM, IT IS A, WHAT WE CALL A SOFT GOAL OR TARGET OF E P A TO HAVE ALL PUBLIC WATER UTILITY CITIES NATIONWIDE LEAD FREE IN 15 YEARS TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NO MONETARY PENALTY TO THE CITY OR TO SOLVES IF THIS, IF WE, IF YOU GET THERE AND YOU SAID, WELL, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO INVENTORY FIVE PIPES AND THEY DON'T HAVE LEAD IN 'EM, LIKE, IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT THAT POINT? NO.
WE, IF WE DON'T KNOW, WE WOULD PUT UNKNOWN.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO THE INVENTORY, THAT'S WHEN PENALTIES AND FINES AND ADMINISTRATIVE ORDERS START COMING AND, AND THEN THEY TELL YOU YOU'RE GONNA DO IT.
SO BASICALLY, IF YOU DON'T MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO COMPLY, THEN THEY FORCE YOU.
WE JUST ASK EVERYBODY TO SAY YES OR NO.
DO YOU HAVE LEAD IN YOUR PIPES, UH, RON
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KAMIS? SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE BROUGHT TO US A PLAN A TO DO THE SWABBING.DO WE HAVE A PLAN B? THEY BROUGHT PLAN B.
PLAN B IS SAW, IS GONNA GO DIG UP RIGHT OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, ONE FOOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE METER AND TEST THE PIPE, ALL THE PIPES AND SAYING ALL THE SERVICE LINES IN SAN ANTONIO.
WELL, WE, WELL, WE HEARD THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION, AND THAT WAS TO TAKE WATER SAMPLES AFTER THE, AN AREA HAD SET STAGNANT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND TAKE WATER SAMPLES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF COSTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT WE'D PROBABLY GET INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN A, IN A PROCESS LIKE THAT, A TEST PROCESS THAT'S A LOT LESS INTRUSIVE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD ONLY IDENTIFY AN AREA THAT IS CONTAMINATED, LET'S SAY.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SAMPLING CAN BE SUBSTITUTED.
WE, WE, WE HAVE WORKED ON THAT ANGLE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET THERE.
THE, BECAUSE THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT CONCERNS ME AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS THIS, IS WITH THIS LANGUAGE ANTICIPATING REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE OR WORK PERFORMED, THAT THIS IS KIND OF A HUNT AND PECK METHOD, AND YOU'RE GONNA HIT CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN WHERE RESIDENCES, COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS ARE OLDER, WHERE MAYBE SOME OF THIS TYPE OF WORK IS HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER FOR OVER 40 YEARS, THREE DIFFERENT HOUSES.
I'VE NEVER HAD TO HAVE ANY PLUMBING WORK DONE OTHER THAN REPLACE A WATER HEATER.
AND AGAIN, THE AREA, I'M SORRY, THE, THE AREA THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS GONNA BE THE HARDEST, LET ME REPHRASE IT.
THE AREA OF SAN ANTONIO THAT'S GONNA HAVE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON THIS IS INSIDE FOUR 10.
THAT, THAT'S THE AREA THAT THAT IS THE OLDEST.
EVERYTHING OUTSIDE FOUR 10 SHOULD BE OKAY.
BUT WE GOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE INSIDE FOUR 10.
WELL, AND THE, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE NOT HOMEOWNERS THAT CAN AFFORD TO ABSORB A LOT OF COST.
THEY EITHER, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THIS, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A MOTION FOR THIS.
UH, I THINK FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH MAYBE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING, WHERE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE, WHAT KIND OF TESTS.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF CLARITY THAT'S MISSING.
AND THEN TO TRY TO GET US TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON OUR CITY AS THIS LITTLE GROUP IS ASKING A LOT.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH SELL, BUT I I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT TO A, A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT KIND OF A MOTION IN THIS ROOM.
I THINK, UH, UNDERSTAND, UM, WE BRING, WE NEED TO BRING THIS EARLIER BECAUSE OF THE, THE CODE CHANGES STARTED EARLIER THAN WE COULD INTRODUCE THIS AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.
WE DO THE BIG BRIEFING, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE APPROVE, HOPEFULLY A CONSULTANT IN AUGUST TO COME ON BOARD, UM, TO BEGIN THE INVENTORYING PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
AND SO, UM, I KNOW THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY DIFFICULT ISSUE.
WE WILL CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE.
UM, WE WILL SPECIFY SWAB TESTS.
WE WILL SPECIFY BETWEEN THE METER, UH, AND THE POINT WHERE IT ENTERS THE HOUSE.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CLARIFICATIONS, PLEASE, UH, WORK, I GUESS THROUGH JEREMY AND JEREMY WILL, UH, GET ME ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE.
UM, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO INCORPORATE, I WOULD SUGGEST WHEN YOU'RE REDOING YOUR LANGUAGE, UH, LIKE THE SECOND LAST SENTENCE SAYS, PHOTOGRAPHS OF TESTING AND PIPE MATERIAL, THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN, YOU NEED ME TO BRING A PIPE, PIECE OF PIPE THERE.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED TO SHOW THAT YOU WANT A PICTURE OF THE TEST ON THE PIPE MATERIAL, NOT THE ACTUAL PIPE MATERIAL.
SO LIKE, THINGS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP TOO.
AND BRIAN SMITH ALSO, I LIKE THE PLAIN BEEF.
WHAT RONDA WAS SAYING IS AN OPTION THAT THEY COULD DO AS WELL IS DO A HALF GALLON OR WHATEVER.
AND WOULD THAT MEET ALSO THE CRITERIA OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? IT WON'T MEET THE INVENTORY.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED.
WE, WE'VE, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME WORK SENT A T C Q AND IT JUST WON'T GO.
SO AGAIN, I, I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE, UH, WITH JEREMY ON IT, BUT ALSO WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CONSULTANT, IF HE CAME BACK WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES OR HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH THIS SO THAT MAYBE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE ON THIS AND WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE E P A AND ALL THAT.
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.I KNOW THIS WAS AN EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED ISSUE, IS SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA START HEARING A LOT ABOUT, BUT, AND IT, IT'S GONNA ENTER INTO A LOT OF YOUR PROFESSIONS AND WHAT YOU DO OUT IN, IN YOUR WORK.
BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US.
UH, JEREMY, DO WE HAVE A, THE NEXT ITEM THAT YOU HAVE? UH, YES, SIR.
LET'S, LET'S, UH, AFTER THAT ONE, EVERYBODY'S GOT A HEADACHE AND WE NEED TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
NO, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO GIMME PREP AND I CAN DO A COUPLE ITEMS AND THEN WE CAN RUN THROUGH THE LAST 90 ITEMS. I'M, I'M SP I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK NOW.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BREAKS OVER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE SIT DOWN SO WE CAN CONTINUE OUR MEETING.
YES, NOW WE'RE NOT, NOW WE'RE READY.
JEREMY, YOU WANNA GO ON WITH THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
SO WE HAVE, UH, THREE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE KIND OF DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT AT THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND ASKED TO COME TO THE FULL BOARD.
THIS IS SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD ADD TO, UH, CHAPTER 10, PLEASE.
SO THE, THE FIRST SECTION, 10 0 7, THAT'S FOR EXIT AND EXIT ACCESS DOORWAY CONFIGURATION.
SO I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD LOCATION TO, TO PUT THE VERBIAGE.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME VERBIAGE THAT WE SAW IN THE ENERGY CODE JUST ABOUT THE VESTIBULES, THE DOORS, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING TO OPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I EXCLUDED IT FOR E OCCUPANCIES WITH AN OCCUPANT LOAD OF A HUNDRED OR LESS.
SO THIS IS LIKE THOSE PORTABLES, RIGHT? THE PORTABLES ARE GONNA BE OUT THERE.
THEY TYPICALLY HAVE AN OCCUPANT LOAD OF, YOU KNOW, 50 TO 60 IF THEY'RE FOR HIGH SCHOOLS OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO I JUST PUT THE, THE A HUNDRED AND GROUP E, THAT'S, IF YOU HAVE A GYMNASIUM OR A CAFETERIA THAT'S SEPARATE, THIS WOULDN'T APPLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE ASSEMBLY USES.
UM, AND BUILDING ENTRANCES, THERE'S THAT.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE CAN BE MULTIPLE ENTRANCES.
SO IF YOU GUYS PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, MAIN ENTRANCE, OR YOU COULD SAY ALL THE OTHER DOORS ARE JUST EXIT DOORS, RIGHT? YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE ENTRANCE.
ALL THE OTHER ONES, THE, THE BUILDING CODE ONLY REQUIRES EXITS, RIGHT? UM, SO THAT LANGUAGE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE CONTESTED AND WE DEFINITELY WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT AS ALL THE, UH, ENTRANCES OR EXITS FROM THE BUILDING.
THE SECOND ONE IS VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE, UM, JUST KIND OF MIMICKED, UH, DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.
UM, INSTEAD OF IN SECTION 10 0 0 7, UH, WE COULD PUT IT IN 10 10.
I DIDN'T UPDATE THAT ON THE, UM, THE TEXT HERE FOR DOORS, GATES, AND TURNSTILES.
SO COUPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT TYPICALLY THE SAME LANGUAGE, CRYSTAL ON GROUP E WOULD INCLUDE DAYCARE FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO.
CORRECT? THERE ARE SPECIAL, THERE ARE CERTAIN STIPULATIONS THAT CAN BE MET FOR A DAYCARE TO BE AN E OCCUPANCY.
OR IT WOULD BE LIKE AN I FOUR, UH, ALSO HAS DAYCARE OCCUPANCIES.
SO WHAT TO GET TO E WHAT WOULD THE DAYCARE HAVE TO DO? UM, I, I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO, I MEAN, PICK UP THE LANGUAGE, BUT HERE'S MY CONCERN.
AND THEN Y'ALL CAN RESEARCH RESEARCHERS.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA COME TO A CONCLUSION ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, HAVING A PUBLIC SCHOOL OR A CHARTER SCHOOL OR A PRIVATE SCHOOL HAVE SECURITY ENTRANCES, YOU KNOW, A VESTIBULE
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TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS IN AT A LATER DATE IS A GREAT THING FOR, FOR DAYCARE FACILITIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.YOU KNOW, CHILDCARE IS MASSIVELY EXPENSIVE ALREADY.
AND TO START MANDATING THIS KIND OF STUFF ON, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IF THEY WANT IT FOR LIABILITY REASONS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME OUT OF OUR, UH, ENERGY CODE AND SOMEBODY TRIED TO STINK IT IN AND WE DID ASK YOU TO BRING IT HERE, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS IS, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT'S A GOOD THING, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA MANDATE THIS TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, DO THAT.
I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO CARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, IN MO MY SYNAGOGUE JUST GOT A SECURITY INSPECTION BY THE POLICE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE AUTOMATIC, UM, ENTRANCE EXITS THAT BASICALLY WHEN YOU GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE DOOR AND IT HAS A, A LOCK THAT AUTOMATICALLY OPEN WHEN YOU GET UP THERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT SECURITY, THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER THING TO ADDRESS BECAUSE ANYBODY STANDING BY THE DOOR TRIGGERS IT TO BE OPEN ALL THE TIME.
AND SO I JUST, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE JUST LEAVE THIS ALONE AND THE SCHOOLS WILL PROVIDE THE SECURITY THAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE RATHER THAN ADDING IT TO THE BUILDING CODE.
SO TO BRING THIS LANGUAGE FORWARD AS A REQUEST, UH, FROM, FROM ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, AND THOSE FOR THAT WEREN'T HERE.
UH, DURING THAT MEETING, WE DID HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM NORTHEAST INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND HE JUST REITERATED THAT THEY ARE ALREADY RETROFITTING THEIR, UH, SCHOOLS.
THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE THE TOP PRIORITY.
NORTHSIDE HAS DONE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
UH, AND THEY CHOOSE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A POLICE PRESENT PRESENCE AT THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
UM, THE POLICE OFFICER ROAMS BETWEEN FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
THEY HAVE ONE AT MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND THEY HAVE TWO AT HIGH SCHOOLS.
THAT WAS, UH, INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH US WHEN THIS CAME UP FOR DISCUSSION.
CRYSTAL, ARE THEY ALSO DOING VESTIBULES ON THE PORTABLE BUILDINGS? NO, THEY ARE NOT DOING VESTIBULES ON PORTABLE BUILDINGS.
BUT THEY HAVE COME IN, UH, THIS FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO AND THEY'VE DONE FENCING, UM, TO SECURE THE PERIMETER TO WHERE ALL OF THOSE, UH, BUILDINGS WOULD BE INSIDE.
UH, A TO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, ANY TRESPASSERS.
THE ONLY REASON I ASK, I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO CLASSROOMS THAT ARE ADJOINED TOGETHER IN THOSE PORT, IN THOSE PORTABLES, YOU KNOW, THESE CRAY CRE OR THESE SPECIAL PEOPLE THAT DO WHAT THEY DO, UM, BAD PEOPLE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA GO FIND THE SPOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A VESTIBULE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT FOR ME, MY POINT, I BUILT A BUNCH OF PORTABLES IN MY PAST, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING ONE LITTLE PLACE BUT NOT AT ANOTHER PLACE AND THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO TO THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.
BUT IT, LIKE WAS SAID, I THINK THAT TO ME, THAT EACH ONE OF THESE DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORKS FOR THEM THE BEST.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE CITY CAN MANDATE EVERY LITTLE SITUATION.
UH, THIS IS ROBERT HANLEY AT THE LAST SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, UM, WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE NORTH, UH, SIDE, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THE QUESTION IS, IS T E A USUALLY HAS A LITTLE BIT OF JURISDICTION ON DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS K THROUGH 12.
UM, AND I WOULD HATE TO PUT SOMETHING IN AS MARK, UH, NOTED THAT THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE.
ALL DAYCARES HAVE TO COMPLY WITH TEXAS, UH, HEALTH SERVICES REQUIREMENTS.
SO MANY RESTROOMS, SO MANY TEACHERS, MAXIMUM STUDENTS.
AND THEY HAVE ALSO EXTERIOR, UM, ACCESS AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
SO I'M A LITTLE BIT, AND I, I THINK I AGREE WITH MR. ROSS'S THAT WE SURPRISE, SURPRISE, BUT THE, UH,
BUT I WOULD HATE TO DO SOMETHING AND, AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT COULD BE SUPERSEDED BY STATE LAW THOUGHT, OH, I HAD, WHEN READING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A STANDARD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA COVER A LOT OF THE EDUCATIONAL BUILDINGS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST.
YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAPPEN TO BE THINKING ABOUT O'CONNOR HIGH SCHOOL, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO THAT HIGH SCHOOL.
IT CONSISTS OF ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, ABOUT FIVE OR SIX OF THEM THAT ARE PRIMARILY USED FOR EDUCATION.
SO THE WAY THIS READS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL THIS VESTIBULE INTO,
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YOU KNOW, 20 SOME ODD BUILDINGS.'CAUSE THEY HAVE MORE THAN A HUNDRED KIDS IN THEM.
YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC.
AND, YOU KNOW, I AGREE IT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE SCHOOL OR THE STATE JUST 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE CREATING SO MANY UNANTICIPATED PROBLEMS BY ENFORCING LANGUAGE LIKE THIS
SO IS IS, IS THIS WAS A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION, BUT NOT WHETHER TO CONTINUE WITH THIS LANGUAGE OR NOT? IS THAT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE? THAT IS CORRECT.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE A, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT VOTING.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, IS THIS SOMETHING AS A GROUP? 'CAUSE IN THE COMMITTEES WE WOULD AGREE TO APPROVE THIS LANGUAGE OR NOT, AND THAT COMMITTEE WASN'T ABLE TO GET IT DONE, OR THEY CHOSE TO PUSH IT TO THIS GROUP.
'CAUSE WE HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN THIS GROUP THAN OUR GROUP THAT WE WERE IN.
BUT HE CAME TO HERE VERY GOOD.
IT WAS, IT WAS 3 45 IN THE AFTERNOON.
WE WERE TIRED AT TALKING ABOUT IT.
SO DO, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS LANGUAGE OR DO WE WANNA DROP IT? I, I THINK THAT, THAT, LET ME JUST, THE PREVIOUS THING THAT WE DID WAS SAWS AND THEY WERE PUSHING AN ISSUE ABOUT PIPE IDENTIFICATION, WHICH REALLY WASN'T, UH, BUILDING CODE ISSUE.
AND WHEN THIS ISSUE OF THE VESTIBULE CAME UP FROM ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES, UH, IT WAS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF, UH, SECURITY, UH, TO ADDRESS A RECENT INCIDENT.
AND, AND I'M NOT SURE IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, THAT WE NEED TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
AND SO IT WAS BROUGHT UP AND STAFF DID LOOK AT IT AND HAVE COME BACK.
BUT IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE, THEN IT JUST DIES AND WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
EVERYBODY OKAY, IF WE JUST MOVE ON? YES, ACTUALLY CHAIR STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE GET A VOTE ON THAT JUST SO WE HAVE THAT ON RECORD.
SO, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT, REJECT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO REJECT THIS SMITH I BBC SECTION 1 0 0 0 7 0.2.
SECURITY VESTIBULE FOR GROUP E.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? KAM A SECOND.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
SO ANOTHER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE LOOKED AT BY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WAS ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PERMITS.
WE HAVE ANNUAL MECHANICAL PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL MAINTENANCE PERMITS.
THE MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING ARE SPECIFIC TO R TWO OCCUPANCIES, WHILE THE ELECTRICAL IS NOT SPECIFIC TO A TYPE OF RE OCCUPANCY TYPE.
AND THE REQUEST IS TO, UH, REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE AN R TWO AND ALLOW THE MAINTENANCE PERMIT TO BE USED FOR ANY RENTAL PROPERTY IN THE CITY.
SINCE I WAS THE ONE THAT MADE IT, IT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED FOR OUR TWO OCCUPANCIES AND, BUT BE ALLOWED FOR OTHER KIND OF OCCUPANCIES I E RENTAL, OTHER RENTAL PROPERTIES.
OR IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO THIS FOR THEIR COMMERCIAL BUILDING, OUR R TWO NEEDS IT TO STAY BECAUSE THAT IS KIND OF PART OF LIKE AN INSPECTION ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND IF THIS GOES AWAY, THE REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT STAY IN R TWO AS A REQUIREMENT FOR PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL AND ALLOW IT FOR OTHER KIND OF USES IF THEY CHOOSE.
THIS IS AMIN THOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, MARK THIS, THIS IS NOT A REQUIRED ITEM FOR R TWO OCCUPANCY.
ANY LANDLORD WHO HAS AN R TWO APARTMENT COMPLEX, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE WORKER WITH AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PERMIT.
THEY CAN JUST HIRE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK.
OKAY, THEN I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.
OKAY, THEN, THEN I WAS MISTAKEN.
AND SO, BUT IT THAT IT'S ALLOWED FOR ALL OCCUPANCY TYPES IF THEY WISH TO DO THIS MINOR KIND OF WORK.
WHERE DID THIS LANGUAGE COME FROM? DO I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CURRENT LANGUAGE?
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I I, HERE'S THE PR HERE.LET ME GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
SO UNDER THE STATE LICENSING LAWS OWNERS, UH, AND THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AND EMPLOYEES OF THOSE OWNERS OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES ARE ALLOWED TO DO CERTAIN MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING WORK.
OKAY? THE PROBLEM WAS, IS THAT IF I WANT TO DO THE PLUMBING OR MECHANICAL WORK THAT I AM ALLOWED TO DO UNDER STATE LAW, THE CITY WON'T ISSUE A PERMIT BECAUSE I'M NOT LICENSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO WE CREATED A PERMIT SO THAT WE WOULD WOULD, AND, AND IT'S MORE OF A RECORD KEEPING PERMIT.
YOU PAY A FEE, THE CITY INSPECTOR COMES ONCE A YEAR TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE KEEPING YOUR BOOK.
IF THEY WANT TO GO LOOK AT STUFF, THEY CAN, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER PERMIT THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GET IS THE, THE ELECTRICAL.
AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL IS THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE AN EXEMPTION FOR, UH, LICENSURE ON ELECTRICITY.
SO THE CITY CAME UP WITH A MAINTENANCE LICENSE WHERE YOU COULD DO MINOR STUFF LIKE REPLACE PLUGS OR SWITCHES, YOU KNOW, REPLACE A BREAKER.
'CAUSE TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO GET AN ELECTRICIAN OUT TO DO ANY ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND WHEN YOU'RE THE BUILDING OWNER OR MANAGER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON STAFF THAT DO THAT.
THEY HAVE TO GO BE TRAINED, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TRAINING CLASS, THEY HAVE TO BE LICENSED, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MARK, IS THIS LANGUAGE IN THE BUILDING CODE, THE RESIDENTIAL CODE? OR IS IT IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT CODE? IT'S CHAPTER 10.
THIS IS OUR CHAPTER ONE IN, IN ESSENCE AND IT'S UNDER PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND, UH, LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN.
MARK, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT SAYS ACTUALLY THEY'RE REQUIRED FOR ANY APARTMENT HOUSING CONTAINING MORE THAN FOUR DWELLING UNITS.
I THOUGHT SO, BUT I DIDN'T, BUT, BUT SO WE'D LIKE TO LEAVE THAT LANGUAGE, BUT ADD LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT SAME PERMIT TO BE PULLED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, DUPLEXES, YOU KNOW, UH, A COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THAT WHERE YOU'RE DOING THE MINOR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN ONSITE PERSON DOING THE MINOR REPAIR WORK SO THAT YOU'RE COVERED BY DOING IT OR PUT AN EXEMPTION THAT YOU DON'T, IF, IF THE WORK IS DONE BY X, Y, Z ON THOSE KIND OF USES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A CATCH 22 WHERE THE CODE OFFICIAL COMES BY AND WANTS TO SEE YOUR LICENSE WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL ISSUE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE ROVING PERSON WANTS TO SEE YOUR LICENSE, YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE, BUT THEIR STATE LAW ALLOWS THAT WORK TO BE DONE.
SO SOMEBODY HAS TO WASTE THE TIME TO GO CALL HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WORK THAT OUT.
JUST AS, AS A POINT OF CLARITY, THE THAT OPTION COMPONENT OF THIS IS IF I CHOOSE NOT TO PERFORM MY OWN WORK, I CAN HIRE SOMEONE AND THEN I DON'T HAVE TO PULL THE PERMIT.
NOW IF YOU HIRE SOMEONE THAT'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE, THEY MUST BE LICENSED AND THEY MUST GET A REGULAR PERMIT.
BUT THEY, THEY WOULD PULL A PERMIT ON MY BEHALF TO PERFORM THE WORK, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT IF I'M NOT GONNA SELF-PERFORM THE WORK IN-HOUSE.
HOW, HOW DOES THAT DIFFER FROM JUST OVER THE YEARS HAVING MANY RENTAL PROPERTIES ALSO.
AND WE HAVE A ONE OF THESE HOME IMPROVEMENT GUYS THAT COMES OVER AND CHANGES A LIGHT, FIXES A FAUCET, DOES PLUMBING, DOES A LITTLE BIT OF CHECKS, A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
HE'S NOT GETTING ANY PERMITS TO DO ANY OF THAT WORK.
HE'S JUST DOING MAINTENANCE WORK.
ATTENTION, UH, STRIKE FORCE,
THERE'S COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE SIX, 700, I'M NOT POINTING THE FINGER
AND WHEN THEY SEND A PROPOSAL OVER FOR MAKE READIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE, THE TENANT MOVES OUT.
NONE OF IT IS SOMETHING THAT, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, HEY, THEY GOT A BROKEN SWITCH, THEY GOT A FENCE BROKEN, THEY'VE GOT THIS BROKEN, THIS BROKEN, HERE'S THE LIST OF ALL THE THINGS I'M
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GONNA DO, YOU KNOW, $1,500 AND WE'LL KNOCK IT ALL OUT FOR YOU.SO HOW DOES IT DIFFER FROM THIS? BECAUSE UNLESS IT IS AN EMPLOYER SUM RELATIONSHIP TO THE OWNER OR PROPERTY MANAGER BEING THEIR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OR PART-TIME EMPLOYEE, THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.
IT IT'S ACTUALLY AGAINST THE LAW BECAUSE THERE YOU CAN'T PERFORM ELECTRICAL WORK AND WHICH WOULD BE IN INCLUDING, UH, REPLACING OF A SWITCH UNLESS YOU'RE EITHER LICENSED OR YOU HAVE A, UH, A MAINTENANCE LICENSE BY THE CITY.
SO WHAT ARE WE ADDING HERE? WE'RE ADDING THE OPTION FOR OWNERS TO GET A BULK PERMIT FOR THE SAME KIND OF WORK THAT'S BEING DONE IN R TWO OF THEIR RENTAL PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MINOR PLUMBING AND, YOU KNOW, AIR CONDITIONING REPAIR.
IF IT, IF THE WHOLE UNIT, IF THE WHOLE SYSTEM, 100% OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BRAND, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE INSTALLING IT BRAND NEW, THEN YOU HAVE TO USE A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AND A, UH, PULL A REGULAR PERMIT.
BUT REPLACEMENTS OF COMPONENTS OF A SYSTEM NOW ARE EXEMPT BY STATE LAW FROM HAVING LICENSURE.
THE CITY WON'T ISSUE YOU A PERMIT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LICENSED AND YOU'RE, IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A CATCH 22.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OPTION OF BEING ABLE TO GET AN ANNUAL MECHANICAL AND, UH, PLUMBING MAINTENANCE PERMIT FOR ALL KINDS OF OTHER COMMERCIAL KIND OF PROPERTIES IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEXES, THIS LEWIS PROPERTY.
SO I WANNA KNOW, UH, WHO DEFINES MINOR PLUMBING OR MINOR ELECTRICAL? HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? SO THE, THIS, THE, THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE BEGINNING OF THE SECTION, BUT IT DOES GO INTO THE FULL SCOPE AND WHAT IS ALLOWED UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE.
SO IT DOES KIND OF SPECIFY WHAT TYPE OF WORK THAT WOULD FALL UNDER BILL.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT, UH, UNLICENSED EMPLOYEES OF A HOSPITAL CAN GO IN AND DO PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL WORK? IT DEPENDS WHAT IT IS.
RIGHT NOW THEY CAN, UNDER STATE LAW, I MEAN, I MEAN THERE'S A EXEMPTION FOR OWNERS OF BUILDINGS, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AND THEIR EMPLOYEES TO DO CERTAIN KIND OF WORK WITHOUT HAVING A LICENSE.
AND, AND, AND THERE'S A PREEMPTION FROM ANY CITY ADOPTING ANY RULE THAT CHANGES THAT.
SO WHAT HOSPITAL MAINTENANCE GUY COULD GO REPLACE A TOILET IN A HOSPITAL? OKAY.
AND, AND SO THE STATE DEFINES IN THE PLUMBING CODE, IN THE PLUMBING LICENSE OR WHAT IS COVERED UNDER ELECTRICAL? IT'S THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO.
AND ON AIR CONDITIONING, WHICH IS THE MOST BROAD, IT'S BASICALLY, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T REPLACE 100% OF THIS WHOLE SYSTEM, YOU, THE EMPLOYEE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LICENSED.
SO IF, IF IT'S ALREADY EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY.
THIS IS CHIEF INSPECTOR EZ WITH THE MECHANICAL.
UM, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
FOR REPAIRS, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PULL A PERMIT.
SO MAINTENANCE IS CONSIDERED REPAIRS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT.
THE, THE, THE WAY THE LAW TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE OWNER SHOULD HAVE AN E P A, UH, CERTIFICATE SAYING THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO WORK WITH REFRIGERANTS WHEN YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROPERTY.
THOSE GUYS, THEY'RE JUST REGISTERED WITH THE STATE SAYING THAT I CAN DO MAINTENANCE OR I CAN DO THIS, BUT THE STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE THE E P A CERTIFICATION.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SOMEBODY, IT'S A RENTAL PROPERTY THAT IF YOU'RE DOING A REPAIR, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT.
BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA START REPLACING EQUIPMENT, AND THAT SHOULD BE SOMEONE WITH A LICENSE WHO HAS AN E P A CERTIFICATION, NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE OF, LIKE YOU SAID, A NON-LICENSED EMPLOYEE TO GO AND DO SOME WORK EVEN.
BUT 'CAUSE THE, THE LAW DOES REQUIRE FOR THEM TO HAVE AN E P A CERTIFICATION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE PARTIALLY CORRECT.
SO ANYTIME YOU WORK ON FREON, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE AN E P A CERTIFICATION.
BUT I CAN HAVE MY EMPLOYEES GO REPLACE THE CONDENSER, THE OUTSIDE THE, THE, THE COMPRESSOR.
THEY CAN DO ANY WORK OTHER THAN REPLACING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, WHICH IS EVERYTHING WITHOUT BEING, WITHOUT HAVING
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AN AIR CONDITIONING LICENSE.THEY HAVE TO BE E P A CERTIFIED, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONING LICENSE, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES OF OURS.
SO IT CAN'T BE SOME THAT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, HIRE A BOOTLEG GUY TO COME IN THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY.
BUT IF IT'S A BONAFIDE EMPLOYEE, THEY'RE EXEMPT BY STATE LAW FROM HAVING TO HAVE A STATE AIR CONDITIONING LICENSE.
AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT CHAPTER 10 ALSO INCLUDES WORK THAT IS NOT COVERED UNDER THIS ANNUAL MA UH, MAINTENANCE PERMIT FOR MECHANICAL AND PLUMBING.
SO THOSE ITEMS ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION, WILLIAM? I JUST WANTED TO ASK MARK, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE ADDING IF THE STATE'S ALREADY PROMOTING OTHER OCCUPANCIES OF DOING THAT? WHY, WHY DO WE NEED TO GO IN AND MAKE A CHANGE? IT, IT ALLOWS THE OWNER TO GET A BULK PERMIT, A MAINTENANCE PERMIT SO THAT WHEN THE CITY STRIKE TEAM COMES OUT, YOU CAN SHOW THAT THERE IS A MAINTENANCE PERMIT ON THE BUILDING THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO CERTAIN WORK.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE LICENSED.
YOU HAVE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PERMIT ARE.
WE'RE DOING AN APARTMENT, IT'S WORKED GREAT FOR WHAT, EIGHT YEARS NOW.
THE, IT MAKES IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WE JUST WANT TO ADD SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, SINGLE OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT CAN PULL THE SAME PERMIT.
SO LIKE JACK, I I AM VERY CLOSE WITH A PERSON THAT, UH, MANAGES 400 PLUS RENTAL HOMES.
UM, THE SAME EMPLOYEE BASE, YOU KNOW, THAT DOES THE, THE SAME WORK, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF WORK THAT'S UNDER THE APARTMENT.
WHAT, WHAT THE SUGGESTION IS THAT THE APARTMENT LANGUAGE BE EXPANDED TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES, THAT PERSON'S EMPLOYEES THAT MANAGE THAT PERSON'S OR DO MAINTENANCE OF THOSE APARTMENTS TO ALSO DO THE SAME MAINTENANCE THAT THEY'RE DOING AT THE APARTMENTS, AT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES.
NOW HOW WE GET THE LANGUAGE THERE I, I IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT THAT'S THAT THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET TO.
BUT IT'S STILL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE ALREADY IN CHAPTER 10 OR THE THAT IS CORRECT.
ALL YOU'RE DOING IS ADDING A SENTENCE THAT SAYS OTHER OCCUPANCIES MAY PULL THIS PERMIT OR SOMETHING.
I MEAN WE CAN BRING THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE BACK, BUT IT'S BASICALLY JUST IN CONCEPT EXPANDING THE PERMIT THAT ALREADY EXISTS TO COVER OTHER KIND OF PROPERTIES.
YOU KNOW, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
WE USED TO SUBMIT 'EM EVERY YEAR FOR THIS BULK PERMIT.
IT MADE IT EASY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY, SOMEBODY FIGURED OUT THEY WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND QUIT ISSUING THE PERMIT.
AND THAT'S WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT WE JUST EXPAND IT WHERE IN R TWO OF CERTAIN SIZE IT'S REQUIRED AND, AND IN OTHER OCCUPANCIES IT'S ALLOWED.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE CHOICE OF THE OWNER.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IT FOR THOSE OTHER OCCUPANCIES, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, YOU CAN, UH, GEORGE LEAVE.
IT DOES, DOES THAT MAINTENANCE PERMIT GENERATE INSPECTIONS.
IT IT GENERATES AN ANNUAL VISIT BY THE PLUMBING OR ELECTRICAL OR AIR CONDITIONING TO COME OUT.
YOU'RE REQUIRED TO KEEP A LOG OF ALL WORK DONE UNDER THE PERMIT AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO INSPECT ANY OF THE WORK THEY WANT TO GO INSPECT.
SOMETIMES THEY WILL LOOK AT IT, SOMETIMES THEY WON'T.
I MEAN, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING MOST AT IS THAT WHEN THEY COME OUT TO DO THAT, THAT INSPECTION OR LOOK AT THE BOOK, THEY'LL DRIVE THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CALL A DRIVE THROUGH ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND LOOK AT THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT.
THE PLUMBING, THE PLUMBING IS, YOU KNOW, VERY LIMITED.
IT'S REPLACING A PIECE OF PIPE THAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, A CO A WATER LINE THAT HAD A LEAK, FIXING IT, PUTTING TOILETS IN FAUCETS, YOU KNOW.
DID YOU, HAVE YOU LOOKED THROUGH THE STATE PLUMBING LAW? IT SEEMS IN MY MEMORY, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE, ONCE YOU GET INTO A A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, IT MAY CHANGE.
NO, IT, IT, IT, IT CHANGES BECAUSE YOU'RE THE HOMEOWNER.
BUT THERE'S ALSO AN EXEMPTION IN THE STATE PLUMBING CODE FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE OWNER AND EMPLOYEES OF THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
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THAT YOU CAN DO AND PAY THE FEE AND, AND SO THAT YOU DON'T GET CAUGHT BY THE STRIKE TEAM NOT HAVING A PERMIT TO DO A REPLACEMENT OF A CONDENSING UNIT.AND YOU CAN'T GET THE PERMIT BECAUSE THE CITY WON'T ISSUE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT LICENSE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PREEMPTED FROM REQUIRING LICENSURE.
SO THIS, WHO IS THE PERMIT MARK? IT'S IT THE CITY ISSUES.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A STATE OF LAW THAT ALLOWS THE CITY ISSUE A PERMIT.
UM, NOW THE WAY WE DO IT IS WE ISSUE THE PERMIT BASED ON THE ADDRESS OF THAT APARTMENT, RIGHT? THE R TWO.
UM, SO NOW IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO HAS 50 HOUSES, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS, HOW ARE WE GONNA ISSUE THAT PERMIT AND UNDER WHAT ADDRESS? AND HOW ARE WE GONNA MONITOR THAT? SO TODAY YOU HAVE THOSE 50 ADDRESSES.
YOU SELL TWO HOUSES, YOU BUY TWO OTHER ONES.
HOW DO WE KNOW THIS PERMIT BELONGS TO THESE 50 HOUSES OR THE TWO NEW ONES? OR I GUESS, HOW ARE WE GONNA MONITOR THIS? THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH IT.
MY, MY THOUGHT IS, IS THAT THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR THE OWNER WOULD REGISTER AT THEIR ADDRESS BECAUSE THAT'S MORE LIKELY WHERE THE BOOK AND THE RECORDS ARE GOING TO BE KEPT.
AND THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD TRUE UP ONCE A YEAR WHEN THE PERMIT IS TAKEN OUT.
AND THEN YOU COULD ADD UNITS OR SUBTRACT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T SUBTRACT ANY, BUT YOU WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ACQUIRED 10 MORE HOUSES, YOU WOULD JUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOTIFYING THE CITY OF THE ADDRESSES.
I, I MEAN, THE DETAILS OF HOW THE COMPUTER SYSTEM'S GONNA WORK ARE ABOVE MY SKILL LEVEL.
BUT, BUT EITHER THAT, OR, OR PUT INTO CHAPTER 10, THAT FOR WORK THAT'S DONE, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE OWNER OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO BE LICENSED.
THAT THERE IS AN EXEMPTION FROM PERMITTING.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY, BUT I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHEN, AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, COVID SAYING, HEY, MY EMPLOYEE WAS OUT FIXING A LITTLE DUPLEX AND SOMEBODY CAME BY AND STARTED HASSLING THEM ABOUT THEIR LICENSE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
AND, AND THIS WOULD BE A WAY FOR YOU TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHICH ADDRESSES ARE COVERED BY THE PERMIT, WHICH MEANS THAT SOMEBODY ELSE CAN BE DOING THE WORK AND WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A, A BOOTLEG CONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING WORK THAT THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO DO.
I MEAN, I, THIS IS JUST ME AND I DON'T KNOW IF MY TEAM DID MORE RESEARCH.
UM, I THINK PROBABLY IT'S SMART TO TABLE THIS TO NEXT MEETING.
GIVE US TIME TO REVISIT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
'CAUSE I KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT IS DIFFERENT AND I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INVESTOR BASICALLY MORE THAN AN OWNER OF A HOUSE.
UH, SO LET US LOOK AT ALL THAT AND PROBABLY COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEXT TIME.
CRYSTAL HAS A, A LONG WRITTEN EXPLANATION THAT I SENT, SO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF I SENT IT TO YOU.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND TABLE THIS CRYSTAL.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT CLEANED UP BETTER THAN WE DID THIS TIME AND UH, 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A FINE LINE HERE, UH, FOR DOING THINGS WITHIN, BUT STILL ACCOMMODATING WHAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY HAPPENING ALL OVER THE CITY BY A LOT OF MAINTENANCE PEOPLE.
ALL MINE IS ABOVE BOARD AND PERFECTLY
AND, AND MIKE'S, THOSE TWO OF US WERE LIKE JERRY.
UM, ONE OTHER ITEM, AND WE KIND OF RAN THIS THROUGH A FEW OF THE COMMITTEES EARLY ON AND IT KIND OF MOVED AND PROGRESSED.
ONE THING WE LOOKED AT WAS, DO WE WANT TO ADOPT THE FULL I R C? UH, BUT THAT WHAT HAVE WE DONE IN 2018 AND PRIOR IS WE ADOPT THE CHAPTERS THAT ARE ABOUT THE BUILDING SIDE, BUT WE DON'T ADOPT AND WE ALSO ADOPT THE MECHANICAL CHAPTERS, BUT WE DON'T ADOPT THE, THE PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL OR THE ENERGY.
WE ALLOW THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN R TWO, OR I'M SORRY, AN R THREE AND R FOUR TO BE KIND OF OVERSEEN BY THE I P C AND THE I M C AND THE I E C C FOR THOSE, UH, CHAPTERS.
NOT THE I M C BUT THE N E C DURING.
SO WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH MECHANICAL, THAT ONE, EVERYBODY'S WE'VE ADOPTED IN THE PAST.
I THINK THE GOAL IS TO MAYBE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE REVIEWED THE I R C AND MADE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES UNDER THE MECHANICAL CHAPTERS AND WE'LL IMPLEMENT THAT UNDER THE I R C SECTION IN THE CHAPTER 10.
MOVING INTO THE N E C UH, COMMITTEE.
SO THE ELECTRICAL COMMITTEE AND THE PLUMBING COMMITTEE, WE APPROACHED THAT AND THEIR COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO NOT
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MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPROACH AND JUST ADOPT THE I R C AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST AND NOT THE ELECTRICAL AND THE MECHANICAL, OR I'M SORRY, THE ELECTRICAL AND THE PLUMBING SEC CHAPTERS.AND WELL, UM, THE ELECTRICAL CODE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY SAID NO, WE DO NOT WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THOSE CHAPTERS OF THE I R C.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERBATIM, UM, THE PLUMBING AND FUEL GAS SAID YES, WE CAN ADOPT THOSE I R C CHAPTERS.
UM, BUT AFTER LOOKING AT THEM, THEY ARE IDENTICAL.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST ACTUALLY MOVING ALL OF OUR I P C AMENDMENTS AND FUEL GAS AMENDMENTS INTO THE I R C SECTION, WHICH SEEMS VERY REDUNDANT, RIGHT? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN BOTH PLACES.
BUT, UM, YOU GUYS DID RECOMMEND THAT WE ADOPT THOSE CHAPTERS OF THE I R C, BUT I THINK MAYBE WE COULD REVISIT IT AND, AND RETHINK ABOUT IT.
UM, IF YOU HAVE AN I P C, YOU JUST NEED AN I P C, YOU DON'T NEED TO GO GET THE I R C AS WELL.
AND IT'S KIND OF THE SAME FOR OUR INSPECTION TEAM, RIGHT? YOU DON'T NEED BOTH OF THOSE BOOKS.
YOU JUST HAVE THE PLUMBING CODE AND THE FUEL GAS CODE.
UM, AND YOU DON'T NEED A COPY OF THE I R C.
SO WE KIND OF, UH, WE MIMICKED ALL THE AMENDMENTS AND OUR CHAPTER 10 AND IT JUST SEEMED THAT, UH, IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
SO WE WANTED TO BRING IT UP AGAIN TO SEE IF WE CAN KIND OF OVERTURN THAT.
UM, AND JUST LOOK AT ADOPTING THE I P C AND THE FUEL GAS AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST AND NOT ADOPT THOSE I R C CHAPTERS.
WOULD THAT APPLY TO THE MECHANICAL CODE TOO? NO.
THE MECHANICAL CODE, WE STILL, WE HAVE, WE FOR THE 2018, WE ADOPT THOSE MECHANICAL CHAPTERS IN THE I R C, UM, AND, AND WE WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND CONTINUING TO ADOPT THOSE CHAPTERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT HELP BRING A LITTLE CLARITY TO WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID ON THE ELECTRICAL SIDE, IS IT, IS IT A COMPLETE DUPLICATION OF THE N E C INTO THE THE I R C, UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, THAT BRINGS UP A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT CREATE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. ONE, ANYTIME YOU'RE DUPLICATING INFORMATION, HOW ACCURATE IS THAT DUPLICATION? TWO, IF ANY EROTA HAS COME OUT OF THE N E C, THEN THOSE DON'T GET CAPTURED IN THE I R C.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS THAT ANYTIME THAT YOU'VE GOT A DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE AND YOU HAVE A FAMILIARITY IN THE INDUSTRY LIKE WE DO WITH THE N E C AND NOW WE'RE REQUIRING SOMEONE ELSE TO GET ANOTHER DOCUMENT, BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THAT DOCUMENT, YOU CREATE A LAYER OF COMPLEXITY.
AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S A COMPLETE DUPLICATION, LET'S JUST KEEP IT, LET IT RESIDE WITH THE ONE DOCUMENT AND BE DONE WITH IT AND STRIKE IT OUT.
YOU JUST DIDN'T ADOPT THAT SECTION.
SO IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION JUST NOT TO ADOPT THOSE TWO PORTIONS OF THE, ACTUALLY NOW THREE PORTIONS OF THE I R C CORRECT.
TO NOT ADOPT THE PLUMBING, FUEL, GAS, AND ENERGY SECTIONS OF THE I R C.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE YOU ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING AND MECHANICAL TAKE OVER.
WE BE REAL QUIET 'CAUSE Y'ALL GOTTA TELL US IF THIS IS, IF THAT WORKS OR, OR NOT.
SO SO ON THE ELECTRICAL SIDE, I WAS JUST SHARING WHAT WE DID AND WHY WE DID IT.
SO TO, TO CLARIFY, WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT.
I WAS MAKING A MOTION TO, UH, SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND NOT ADOPT THE, UH, PLUMBING, FUEL, GAS, OR ENERGY, UH, SECTIONS OF THE I R C BRIAN SMITH SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ANY MORE DISCUSSION RATHER? EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES, CRYSTAL.
SO MOVING INTO ARTICLE 13, UH, ORIGINALLY ARTICLE 12, LICENSING AND REGISTRATION.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING AGAIN AND I WANT TO, WE'LL PUT THIS INFORMATION OUT THERE.
LIKE I SAID, WE DID A SIGNIFICANT RESHUFFLING OF THIS CHAPTER OR THIS ARTICLE TO REMOVE SOME REDUNDANCIES.
WE TOOK SECTION 10 DASH 116, WHICH WAS, UM, VACANT AT THE TIME AND WE RELOCATED ANYTHING THAT WE KIND OF SAW AS REDUNDANT ACROSS ALL THE DIFFERENT TRADES.
UH, THE GOAL IS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING OF PURPOSE HERE REALLY.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF CHAPTER 10 WHEN WE PRINT IT AND ALL HAVE EVERYBODY JUST BE UNDER THE SAME
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UMBRELLA OF THESE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS APPLICATION PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS, CITY RE REGISTRATION CARDS.
SO ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS REGISTRATION, NOT LICENSING, UH, REGISTRATION.
OUR CITY LICENSES ARE NOT TRANSFERRABLE.
SO WE DO STILL HAVE SOME TRADES THAT HAVE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT LICENSING REQUIREMENT FALLS UNDER THE DIRECT TRADE, UH, SECTION SINCE IT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO ALL ACROSS THE BOARD.
CONTINUATION OF THE BUSINESS, UH, UPON DEATH, DISABILITY QUALIFICATION OF CONTRACTORS, UH, DOCUMENTATION, RECORD OF ISU OF ISSUANCE, MISREPRESENTATION, CHANGE OF NAME, COMMUNICATION READY, ACCESS, CANCELLATION AND SUSPENSION.
SO ALL OF THESE ITEMS WERE FOUND AND REPEATED UNDER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE OTHER SECTIONS.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR PAGES OR MORE THAT WAS BEING REPEATED.
SO WE REALLY KINDA JUST TOOK THOSE AND CONSOLIDATED 'EM ALL DOWN TO SECTION 10 DASH ONE 16 AND MADE 'EM, UH, THAT WAY.
SOMETIMES THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF VAGUE LANGUAGE HERE OR THERE, BUT IT REALLY WASN'T CHANGING THE INTENT OF HOW WE ENFORCED THAT ACROSS ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ONES.
SO THIS NOW JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZES IT AND MOVES IT INTO ONE SECTION SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARTICLE 13, WHEN WE SUBMITTED OUT TO Y'ALL TO KINDA REVIEW, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THIS WHOLE NEW SECTION AND A WHOLE LOT OF DELETIONS ACROSS IT.
I'LL, I'LL PUT IT OUT TWICE BECAUSE IT WILL BE KINDA HARD TO READ, BUT I DO WANT Y'ALL TO SEE EVERYWHERE THAT WE'RE DELETING.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A, A VERSION OF THAT THAT'S LIKE, HERE'S EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN CUT OUT AND THEN HERE'S A CLEANED UP VERSION OF HERE'S THE ULTIMATE FINALIZED VERSION.
WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE HAD OUR STAFF LOOK AT IT, WE DON'T WANNA MISS ANYTHING.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE ANY ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE INTENT OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THIS ARTICLE.
JEREMY, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT SECTION DEALING WITH CRIMINAL HISTORY BACKGROUND CHECKS? IT DOES, BUT ONLY UNDER, NOT UNDER THE NEW SECTION BUT UNDER THE REGISTRATION OF HOME BUILDERS.
UH, SO LET ME GET TO THAT, RIGHT, THAT CORRECTION ONE 15, RIGHT? UH, BECAUSE THAT'S SPECIFIC TO HOME BUILDERS, WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT BACKGROUND CHECK FOR ANY OF THE LICENSED TRADES BECAUSE THE STATE TAKES CARE OF THAT.
SO THE ONE SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE, DEPENDING ON HOW THE LANGUAGE IS AND I DIDN'T GIVE A CHANCE TO READ IT, IS TO GET RID OF THE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS F B I BACKGROUND CHECK AND JUST PUT BACKGROUND CHECK APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR.
BECAUSE AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE MEETING, THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE THIS MORE AUTOMATIC WHERE THOSE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO EVERY YEAR, EVERY TWO YEARS AND GET FINGERPRINTED AND SENDING IT OFF WITH TECHNOLOGY THROUGH THE F B I OR OTHER DATA SOURCES.
AND SO I WOULD JUST CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO SAY A CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK APPROVED B I OR DIRECTOR APPROVED.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE E THAT WOULD BE FINE.
I MARK I I'D LIKE, UH, TO KEEP A LITTLE BIT OF UH, DEFINITION ON THAT BACKGROUND CHECK.
WE DID HEAR A CASE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO ON A, UM, APPEAL FOR A PERMIT AND UH, NOTHING WAS LOCAL BUT THE F B I FOUND FRAUD AND UM, UH, PROBATION PERIODS FOR SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN FLORIDA.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I'D LIKE IT TO BE AT LEAST A NATIONAL DATABASE OF SOME SORT SO WE CAN FIND THE BAD ACTORS, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON ROBERT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WE BROUGHT IT FOUR WAS THAT F B I WAS THAT EXACT REASON, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE HAIL DAMAGE THAT WE HAD AND HE HAD ALL THE BAD ACTORS AS FAR AS THE ROOFINGS.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THE F B I.
BUT WE ALSO FOUND OUT THERE, THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES OUT THERE NATIONWIDE THAT WILL ACTUALLY AUTOMATICALLY DO THIS TYPE OF THING AND IT'S ON A RECURRING BASIS AND IF ANYTHING COMES UP, IT AUTOMATICALLY WILL, WILL THE, AS LONG AS IT'S A NATIONAL DATABASE SHOULD BE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST, I WANNA ALLOW THE DIRECTOR IN THE ORDINANCE THE RIGHT TO HAVE APPROVAL POWER OVER WHATEVER IT IS.
SO IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO END UP GOING BECAUSE THE WAY IT IS NOW, YOU HAVE TO GO GET FINGERPRINTED, YOU HAVE TO SEND IT IN THE F B I AND I KNOW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR LIKE YOUR REAL ESTATE LICENSE OR ENGINEERING LICENSE OR ARCHITECTURE LICENSE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO GET FINGERPRINTED ONCE AND THEN YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY MAY WAVES THE MAGIC WAND AND THEY KNOW THAT TWO YEARS LATER YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM AND IT'S ALL DONE ELECTRONICALLY AND EASY.
HAVE Y'ALL BEEN ABLE TO LOOK INTO SABOR OR IS ANY OF THEIR, WHAT THEIR SYSTEM THEY'RE USING AS A, I MEAN TO ME WE, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS OVER THE LAST MONTH OR SO.
UM, BUT I THINK TO HIS POINT, THERE ARE SYSTEMS OUT THERE AND IT'S MORE SAYING TO THE DIRECTORS DISCRETION, BUT IT WOULD BE IN A NATIONAL, WHICH EVERYBODY I THINK IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
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TYPE, UH, SEARCH AND THE A SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE, WE'RE NOT GONNA REINVENT THE WHEEL.IS THERE A PROBLEM, JIM, UH, BRIAN SMITH, IS THERE A PROBLEM PUTTING IN OR DIRECTOR APPROVED BECAUSE THAT GIVES Y'ALL TIME TO LOOK AND APPROVE BASED UPON LEGAL TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S OKAY? I MEAN, I I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, IN DOING THAT THOUGH, IS THAT GONNA BE MORE WORK FOR THE CITY? BECAUSE EVERY TIME A NEW AGENCY COMES BEFORE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIRST DO A BACKGROUND CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENCY IS ACTUALLY LEGITIMATE.
OKAY, SO I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENS ON THE STATE LEVEL.
YOU GO IN AND GET FINGERPRINTED ONCE IT'S SENT OFF, THEIRS WAS ELECTRONICALLY TO THE F B I.
ONCE YOU GET YOUR ELECTRONIC FINGERPRINTS IN THE SYSTEM AND YOU DO THAT BASICALLY EVERY TIME YOU RENEW YOUR ENGINEERING LICENSE, ARCHITECT'S LICENSE, REAL ESTATE LICENSE, THEY'RE DOING A BACKGROUND CHECK WITH THE F B I TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY CRIMINAL HISTORY AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY, YOUR YOUR NAME AND WHATEVER ID NUMBER IS FLAGGED.
AND IF YOU GET CONVICTED OF SOMETHING, THEY WILL NOTIFY A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY AND IF THE SYSTEM'S ALREADY PLACED, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE INFORMATION ON IT.
'CAUSE I SENT IT TO THEM AND IT HAPPENS JUST LIKE IF YOU'RE AN ENGINEER, IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH YOUR LICENSE.
AT SOME POINT YOU HAD TO GO IN AND GET FINGERPRINTED AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S DONE.
YES, BUT THAT'S THE, THE STATE, THAT'S THE STATE BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS DOING THAT.
AND IT WAS A PRE-LIST OF APPROVED LOCATIONS TO GO GET YOUR FINGERPRINT.
WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS THAT, UM, A CONTRACTOR CAN GO OUT AND UH, JUST HIRE A, A RANDOM NA NATIONWIDE, UH, AGENCY TO DO A BACKGROUND CHECK AND THE CITY WOULD NEED TO VERIFY THAT THAT'S A LEGITIMATE COMPANY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
NO, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE SAME SYSTEM.
THE ENGINEERING, THE THE F B I ALLOWS ANY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE SAME PROGRAM.
THE ENGINEERS ARE DOING THE LICENSING BOARD AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
AND WITH THE LANGUAGE OF APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR ALLOWS THAT TRANSITION BECAUSE THE WAY THE LANGUAGE READS NOW IS EVERY RENEWAL YOU HAVE TO GO GET AN F B I BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO GET NEWLY FINGERPRINTED, SEND IT OFF TO THE F B I AND HAVE IT SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT.
THIS JUST ALLOWS THE UPDATED, UH, TECHNOLOGY TO WORK BETTER, BUT IT, IT GIVES THE DIRECTOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO KNOW, UH, A SYSTEM THAT HE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH AND APPROVED.
SO WOULD THAT INFORMATION STILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE F B I? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR CHAPTER 10 SAYS.
JUST A, A CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD INFORMATION MAINTAINED BY THE F B I.
RIGHT? SO IT WOULD BE THE SAME THING.
IF THAT INFORMATION IS MAINTAINED BY THE F B I AND WE'RE GETTING IT PUSHED TO US, UH, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO CHANGE THE CODE, HOW DO WE FORCE YOU TO GO GET THAT DONE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO GET FINGERPRINTED EVERY YEAR BE BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS NOW, SO, SO I I MEAN THE BURDEN NEEDS TO BE ON Y'ALL TO ADOPT THE TECHNOLOGY AND QUIT MAKING EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, DO STUFF LIKE WE DID 25 YEARS AGO WHERE YOU HAD TO GET A FINGERPRINT CARD AND SEND IT DOWN.
SO I I I MEAN, BUT IF WE'RE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT, BUT ALSO IF THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGY AND DATA SERVICES THAT YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE, HE, SOMEBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO APPROVE THOSE OUTSIDE OF THE S B I AS LONG AS IT'S, IT MEETS A SET OF CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOOD.
WELL THAT'S WHERE THE LANGUAGE DIRECTOR APPROVED ALLOWS, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE DIRECTOR CAN GO TO THE F I HE CHOOSES AND THEY THEORETICALLY COULD APPROVE A, A DATA SERVICE OR SOME COMPANY TO RUN THE SAME THING.
THE F B I DOES THAT HAS THE SAME DATA AS THE F B I MEAN THEY HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
SO I MEAN WE USE IT IN OUR APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, ALL DAY LONG.
WE DON'T MAKE PEOPLE GO GET A I I'M I'M BACKGROUND, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WITH THE DIGITAL CAPABILITIES OF THE F B I, UH, WHY WE WANT TO CHANGE IT.
I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF NOT SPECIFYING F B I MODE.
BECAUSE IN I, I CAN GET A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON SOMEONE IN, IN EXACTLY 30 SECONDS THAT'S BEEN THROUGH A NATIONAL SERVICE.
THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE
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RUNNING, YOU KNOW, OUR INDUSTRY IS RUNNING PROBABLY A HUNDRED OR 200 MILLION OF THESE A YEAR AND NOBODY'S YET BEEN SUED FOR LETTING A CRIMINAL MOVE IN.WE ASK FOR A, YOU KNOW, A LICENSE TO VERIFY IT, MATCH THE NAME, MATCH THE SOCIAL SECURITY, THERE'S OTHER TECHNOLOGIES AVAILABLE AND I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST, I'M NOT SAYING THEY SHOULD ADOPT IT, I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD ALLOW FOR IT IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
IF THE DIRECTOR IS COMFORTABLE, HE WANTS TO USE SOMEBODY ELSE AND, AND THAT WAS MY AMENDMENT, ROBERT.
THIS WAS, WAS AS IN HERE OR UH, OR DIRECTOR APPROVED AND IT'S, IT DOESN'T PUT A TIMELINE ON IT.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO, TO VET IT OUT, TO GET SOMETHING, BUT TO TAKE SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT IF THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND THE DIRECTOR APPROVES, THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW UNTIL THE NEXT CODE SE CYCLE WHERE WE DO THIS AGAIN.
UH, SO TECHNICALLY EVEN IF WE DON'T CHANGE IT, CHANGE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE, THE DIRECTOR HAS THAT OPTION TO UTILIZE DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT I'M NOT AGAINST ADDING THAT TO IT.
JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR AS YOU SAID, DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE GONNA ACCEPT ANYTHING AT THIS MOMENT.
IT'S JUST WE ARE OPENING THE DOOR TO LOOK INTO THESE THINGS.
UH, AND I UNDERSTAND MARK, WHAT YOU SAID, YOU HAVE OTHER SERVICES WHERE YOU GET A BACKGROUND CHECK IN 30 SECONDS.
UM, BUT I'M KIND OF NOW CONNECTING THAT WITH WHAT WILLIAM WAS SAYING.
SO IS IT MY JOB TO FIGURE OUT IS THAT COMPANY GOOD COMPANY? IS IT PULLING ACCURATE INFORMATION? IS IT PULLING INFORMATION UP TO THE TIME WE PULLED THAT REPORT OR IS IT INFORMATION SIX MONTHS OLD? ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO AGAIN, WE CAN ADD THE, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, BRIAN, AND WE CAN START LOOKING INTO IT.
UH, AS YOU SAID, LIKE, UH, TEXAS BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, I'M AN ENGINEER, A BUNCH OF US HERE, THEY ASKED US TO SPECIFICALLY GO TO A CER CERTAIN LOCATION, CERTAIN PLACE TO DO OUR FINGERPRINTS.
AND THEY HAD A CONTRACT WITH THAT SERVICE WHERE IF I GET ANYTHING ON MERT TOMORROW, IT POPS UP ON THEIR SIDE WITHOUT ANYTHING.
SO AGAIN, WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THOSE OPTIONS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT REALLY THE TEXAS BOARD PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, THAT SERVICE IS ACTUALLY PULLING FROM THE F P I.
THAT'S, SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
JUST IF WE CAN HAVE THE LANGUAGE SO THAT IT WILL ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK IT MERITS IT, BUT IT ALLOWS US TO AT LEAST TO PUT THIS TO VOTE.
SO I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT AS IS WITH THAT AMENDMENT, UH, OR DIRECTOR APPROVED.
I, I HAVE A MOTION AND A RELUCTANT SECOND THAT IT WAS, IT'S VERY QUIET.
NO, I KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY'S JUST WAITING ON YOU TO DO IT.
SO, UH, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADD THE LANGUAGE OF GIVING THE DIRECTOR SOME MORE LEEWAY TO FIND UH, ANOTHER SYSTEM THAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY IN PLACE.
WE JUST HAVEN'T CALLED SABOR TO TELL US WHAT IT IS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN? YES.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE MOTION AGAIN? WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? CRYSTAL, JEREMY? SO I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORDS, BUT IT WAS VERY FEW WORDS.
THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE SECTION, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO INVESTIGATE AND EXAMINE.
WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS ADDING TO THIS SECOND SENTENCE.
THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND OFFICIALLY SEALED CRIMINAL HISTORY RECORD OR INFORMATION MAINTAINED BY THE DEPARTMENT, A FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION OR AGENCY AS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING, OFFICIAL BUILDING DIRECTOR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
DO WE WANNA REMOVE THE WORD SEALED? CRIMINAL HISTORY? I THINK WE ARE GETTING THOSE NOW ELECTRONICALLY.
IS THAT CORRECT, CHAIRMAN? YES.
GOOD JUDGE, MAKE THAT AMENDMENT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL APPROVES SAY AYE.
UH, YEAH SO THIS WOULD BE THE LAST ITEM.
AND BASED ON THE TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE WANNA DO HERE IS PRESENT IT TO THE COMMITTEE OR TO THE BOARD.
HAVE Y'ALL DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT OR THINK ABOUT IT.
HOWEVER Y'ALL WANNA HANDLE IT.
BUT I ASSUME, YOU KNOW, UNLESS Y'ALL KILL IT RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BRING IT BACK AND
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MAKE A FINAL VOTE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE TO THE NEXT MEETING.BUT SO UNDER THE MEETING WITH THE I B C, UH, SO I B C OF COURSE OR THE BUILDING CODES COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING AT THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT STAFF BROUGHT TO THEM CONSIDERATION OF ADDING A REQUIREMENT FOR CERTIFICATION FOR HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION.
CURRENTLY HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT IS PROOF OF INSURANCE AND THE BACKGROUND CHECK WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING SO THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY AMEND ITEM EIGHT HERE AS WELL.
EVERYTHING UNDERLINED WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ADD IN ADDITION TO THAT.
SO, UH, UNDER THIS IT SAYS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS THE RIGHT TO INVESTIGATE AND EXAMINE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND FITNESS OF AN APPLICANT, BUT WAS REALLY LIMITED TO JUST A BACKGROUND CHECK AND NOT TO ANY TYPE OF TECHNICAL ABILITY.
UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS ADD SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR TECHNICAL ABILITY THROUGH A CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
WE MET WITH STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO GUAVA AND SARI AND YOU KNOW, AND I'M SORRY, NORI, NARI, I APOLOGIZE.
NARI, UH, MET WITH THEM, PROVIDED THEM WITH HIS LANGUAGE, ASKED FOR SOME FEEDBACK, UH, GOT SOME APPROVALS AT LEAST THROUGH GUSTABA THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THIS LANGUAGE.
AND THE INTENT OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF APPROACHED THIS BACK IN 2018 TO THE SAME COMMITTEE AND ACTUALLY I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE AT THE TIME AND I THINK IT WENT AWAY 'CAUSE IT WAS VERY BROAD.
UH, ONE THING WE ARE FOCUSING HERE IS HOME BUILDERS.
THEY'RE LIMITED TO LARGER STRUCTURES, ADDITIONS, NEW HOMES, STUFF SUCH AS THAT.
SO WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS.
SO THIS DOESN'T IMPACT HOME IMPROVEMENT CONTRACTORS THAT WANNA COME IN AND DO SOME MINOR REPAIRS.
UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY, KIND OF LIKE A CRAIGSLIST TYPE, UM, CONTRACTOR THAT REALLY IS JUST TRYING TO DO MINOR REPAIRS.
THEY DON'T FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY.
SO IT REALLY GOES AFTER SIGNIFICANT LARGE PROJECTS, UH, ADDITIONS AND REMODELS.
THE LANGUAGE ALSO SAYS IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY AND BEEN CERTIFIED OR CONTRACTED WITH THE CITY, REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, WE THEN HAVE A LOT OF HISTORIES OF POOL PERMITS, INSPECTIONS PASSED, WE HAVE HISTORY WITH THAT CONTRACTOR AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY VIOLATIONS, SUSPENSIONS, OR REVOCATIONS THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GRANDFATHERED OUT OF THIS OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS WELL.
I'M HAPPY TO PUT IT OUT TO Y'ALL.
WE CAN ADD THIS AS OUR DRAFT TO, UH, CHAPTER 10 FOR ARTICLE 13 AND SUBMIT THAT OUT TO Y'ALL FOR A REVIEW.
BUT I WANTED TO GIVE Y'ALL A CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT, ASK ANY QUESTIONS WITH US BEFORE THAT MEETING.
THIS LANGUAGE IS PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, AGAIN, IN THE SECOND SENTENCE OF THE SUB ARTICLE A THAT YOU WOULD TAKE OUT THE, THE, THE WHERE IT SAYS TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND OFFICIALLY SEALED.
WE TAKE THE OFFICIALLY SEALED, UH, OUT OF THERE.
BUT IT SEEMS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS THING.
SO EVERYTHING ON THE INITIAL SUBSECTION AND THEN A SUBSECTION A, ALL OF THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
EVERYTHING NEW WOULD BE SUBSECTION B.
SO, UH, JEREMY, I I PROMISED YOU IN A MEAN THAT I'D EXPENDED ALL OF MY UH, LIBERTARIAN FEAR DURING THE SAUL'S PRESENTATION.
UM, SO I'D RES I'D ASK THAT MAYBE WE LOOK AT THIS LANGUAGE AND TABLE THIS AND COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT IN DEPTH NEXT TIME.
UH, 'CAUSE I THINK THIS IS A, A, A KIND OF BIGGER CONVERSATION THAN WE MIGHT WANNA START AT 4 0 5.
I MOSTLY JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE, SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS TO THAT LANGUAGE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAD ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME THAT WE COULD ANSWER.
BUT MORE THAN WELCOME, IF Y'ALL WANT Y'ALL HAVE IT, IF YOU WANNA SEND SOMETHING TO ME DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ONE-ON-ONE AND KIND OF PREPARE Y'ALL AS LONG AS I'M ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
I THINK I'M ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
SO JEREMY, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A NATIONAL BUILDER THAT WANTS TO COME TO SAN ANTONIO AND BUILD AND THEY, I MEAN I I THINK YOU, WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IN SAN ANTONIO REGISTERED NO PROBLEMS BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW THAT A LOT OF COMPANIES HAVE PEOPLE NECESSARILY THAT ARE MEET ALL THOSE QUALIFICATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE OPENING, YOU KNOW, IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL WE DON'T LIMIT THEM.
I I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF MAKING SURE PEOPLE ARE HONEST BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BIGGEST CATEGORY THAT SENIORS AND OTHERS GET TAKEN.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE A BIG NATIONAL COMPANY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE A LOCAL PERSON, YOU KNOW, WELL IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG NATIONAL COMPANY MARK AND YOU HAVE A LOCAL PERSON, IT'S PROBABLY FIVE YEARS, BUT I'M NOT SURE FIVE YEARS REGISTERED HERE.
SO HOW OFTEN, HOW OFTEN DO WE HAVE BIG NATIONAL COMPANIES COMING INTO SAN ANTONIO? YOU'VE BEEN, YOUR COMPANY'S BEEN HERE FOR YEARS, JOE, BUT HOW OFTEN IS THAT? SO I DON'T WANT TO DO MAKE A A, A RULE OR A POLICY BASED ON AN EXCEPTION.
AND IF THAT'S, IF YOU WERE TO GO BACK 10 OR 15 YEARS, YOU, YOU NOW HAVE PROBABLY SIX OR EIGHT NEWER COMPANIES
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THAT YEAH, JUST TO, JUST TO THAT POINT.I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE AND I KNOW WE CAN DISCUSS IT MORE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S SOME ORS IN HERE AND THE ORS SATISFY THAT SITUATION.
THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE OF ONE AGENT AFFILIATED WITH CONTRACT MUSTAIN RESIDENTIAL I C CERTIFICATION OR OTHER CERTIFICATIONS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING OR HAVE MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS.
SO THERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ONE GUY THAT'S GONNA HAVE THAT CERTIFICATION OR CAN GET IT VERY EASILY.
UM, I I I THINK WE CAN TABLE THIS AND DISCUSS IT MORE.
I DO WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT, IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT SECTION 10 DASH 15, 'CAUSE IT KIND OF APPLIES TO THIS A LITTLE BIT AND I I THINK IT'S MORE FOR THE SMALLER CONTRACTORS OR REMODELERS, BUT IT UNDER THAT CLAUSE OF A, IT SAYS ANY PERSON PERFORMING ANY FORM OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION OR HOME IMPROVEMENT WORK IN THE CITY SHALL BE REGISTERED, WHICH IS FINE PER TEN ONE ONE FIVE AND TEN ONE ONE SIX.
AND SHALL HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION A VALID AND AUTHENTICATED HOME BUILDER REGISTRATION CARD ISSUED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL DR.
HORTON'S 200 SUPERINTENDENTS AREN'T GONNA CARRY THAT CARD AROUND.
SO I, I JUST THINK THAT'S KIND OF A REDUNDANT ON FOR THAT PART.
IT'S, IT'S A MINOR THING BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOUR PEOPLE DON'T CARRY CARD.
SO I MEAN IS THAT REQUIRED TO BE A CARD ON THE PERSON ON THE SITE OR IS IT JUST ANYBODY, WHOEVER IT IS THAT IS REGISTERED SHALL HAVE IN THEIR POSSESSION A VALID IT IT SAYS ANY PERSON PERFORMING ANY FORM OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE.
YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THE INTENT JUST, JUST CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN THE INTENT ULTIMATELY IS WHOEVER IS THAT REGISTERED FOR THAT COMPANY IS THE ONE HOLDING THAT CARD.
I KNOW IT'S, THESE GUYS AREN'T THAT PETTY, BUT IT JUST TAKES ONE.
OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE GONNA TABLE THAT DISCUSSION UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND CLEAN THAT UP AND MOVE IT ALONG? YEAH, SO, UM, MOSTLY WE'LL ADD THAT, YEAH, I CAN LOOK AT THAT AND I CAN CHANGE THAT, TALK TO MY STAFF HERE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME GOOD WORDING WE CAN ADD AND I'LL PUT THAT OUT TO THE, TO THAT DRAFT CHAPTER 10.
SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS DRAFT CHAPTER 10 AND 11, I'LL TRY TO GET THAT OUT IN ABOUT A WEEK.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE END OF THIS WEEK ALREADY.
WE GOT A FOUR DAY WEEK NEXT WEEK.
SO SAY THURSDAY OF NEXT WEEK THE LATEST.
I'LL GET IT OUT THERE AND I'LL SEND Y'ALL A LINK.
IT'S A LARGE FILE SO PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO EMAIL YOU THE WHOLE THING, BUT I'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WHERE WE GET IT UPLOADED TO OUR WEBSITE.
SO IT'D BE VIEWABLE TO EVERYBODY, BUT I'LL HIGHLIGHT IT TO Y'ALL SAYING, HEY, HERE'S THAT SECTION, GO AHEAD AND START REVIEWING IT.
UM, AND I THINK THE WAY IT'S GONNA READ IS WE'LL HIGHLIGHT UNDER ARTICLES ONE, TWO, AND 13, THOSE ARE CITY ARTICLES.
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE AREN'T AMENDMENTS OF THE CHAPTERS WE'RE, SO WE'LL HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE'RE CHANGING BETWEEN 2018 AND 2021.
BUT THE OTHER ARTICLES ARE REALLY JUST HERE ARE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR THAT.
SO IT'LL REALLY READ LIKE HERE'S THE FINAL PRODUCT, UH, FOR THAT IF, IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT, I WILL, FOR THE MOST PART THOSE OTHER ARTICLES WILL BE JUST, HERE'S THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR THOSE CODE, UH, SECTIONS THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED AND THAT'LL BE SENT OUT AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE OUT THERE.
BUT UH, I'LL LET Y'ALL KNOW WHEN THAT LINK IS DONE.
UM, I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO RESEND OUT THE SPREADSHEETS OF ALL THE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT ALL THE COMMITTEES IN CASE SOMEBODY WANTS TO JUST PERUSE THOSE IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANY QUESTIONS, KIND OF CORRELATE THOSE TO THOSE AMENDMENTS.
AND IF I'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT MEETINGS IT WAS, Y'ALL CAN GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEOS.
I'M HAPPY TO HELP CORRELATE AND GIVE Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSION POINTS YOU WANT TO SEE, SEE SOME CLARIFICATION ON.
I CAN POINT YOU TO THE VIDEOS AND ROUGHLY ABOUT WHAT TIME IT WAS IN THOSE VIDEOS TO HELP YOU GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, ROBERT GO AHEAD ASK YOUR, YOUR, I'M GONNA ASK YOU, I LOOKED AT ALL THE ATTACHMENTS YOU SENT OUT AND THE ONE THAT YOU HAD WHERE IT HAD ALL THE NEW LANGUAGE THROUGH PICK CHAPTER 13.
THEY DIDN'T FIND THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU WERE SHOWING EARLIER, CORRECT? YEAH, SO THAT WAS, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS TOO BIG ACTUALLY THAT ONE I GAVE YOU THE LINK TO THE AGENDA AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THAT AGENDA YOU COULD DOWNLOAD IT THERE.
BUT WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS I'LL WILL ACTUALLY POST THAT ON OUR D S D WEBSITE UNDER THE TRACKING FOR THIS BOARD AND I'LL SEND YOU ALL THAT LINK AND YOU'LL HAVE IT DIRECTLY FROM THAT.
SO I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE CHIEF MONASTERY AVAILABLE FOR THAT AND HE'S OUT UNTIL THE THIRD WEEK OF JULY.
SO WE HAVE, I'M LOOKING AT OUR SCHEDULE NOW FOR THIS BOARDROOM.
IT WOULD BE, IS IT THE 21ST OR THE 18TH? THE WEEK OF THE 18TH.
SO WE SHOULD JUST CHANGE ALL THE FIRE STUFF WHILE WE'VE
YOU'RE SAYING THE AFTERNOON 21ST YOU SAY? SO YEAH, I MEAN THE, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THREE WEEKS FROM NOW.
UH, I GUESS, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM, DO WE NEED TO DO THE, THE WEEK OF THE 18TH OR THE WEEK OF THE 24TH? 24TH OR 25TH? UH, THE WEEK OF THE 18TH.
OKAY, SO THE WEEK OF THE 18TH WE HAVE QUITE
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A BIT OF OPENING WITH THIS.IF THE COMMITTEE OR FOR THE BOARD LIKES THE THURSDAY AFTERNOON, WHICH HAS KIND OF BEEN OUR STANDARD FOR MOST COMMITTEES TRYING TO COMMIT TO THAT.
IF EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT, THEN WE CAN SCHEDULE IT FOR THURSDAY THE 21ST, STARTING AT 1:00 PM TO 4:00 PM EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH.
CAN YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IN READING THROUGH ALL THAT, ARE WE GOING TO, IS OUR GOAL TO TRY TO APPROVE AT THAT MEETING SOME OF THESE OR WE STILL GONNA PUSH IT FURTHER? NO, I THINK THE GOAL WILL BE TO WRAP UP UNLESS THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT ITEM THAT SOMEBODY SEES.
IDEALLY IF Y'ALL SEE SOMETHING LET ME KNOW.
INDIVIDUALLY DON'T, DON'T MASK, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT A WALKING QUORUM THING, BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE AN ITEM WHEN YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO ADDRESS, LET US KNOW.
THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF PRESENT IT AND BE READY TO ADDRESS THAT AT THAT NEXT MEETING.
UH, SO THIS WILL GIVE Y'ALL ABOUT THREE WEEKS, I WOULD SAY TWO WEEKS.
LIKE I SAID, I WANT ABOUT A WEEK TO GET THIS UPLOADED ONTO THE WEBSITE AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE.
I WILL, I'LL GIVE Y'ALL TWO WEEKS TO KINDA REVIEW ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS, LOOK AT IT, GET BACK WITH ME IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
AND IDEALLY ON THE 21ST, WE'RE TRYING TO WRAP THAT UP.
UM, 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE GET, I NEED ABOUT A MONTH TO GET TO THE AUGUST 25TH WITH, WITH C UH, COMMITTEE FOR A COUNCIL SO THAT, THAT 21ST I'LL HAVE ABOUT A WEEK LEFT OVER.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE NEED TO TABLE, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO MEET AGAIN ONE MORE TIME THAT WEEK AFTER.
BUT IDEALLY WE CAN WRAP EVERYTHING UP ON THE 21ST.
SO JUST WHEN WE'RE DOING IT, LET'S GET IT WHERE WE CAN DO A SECTION, APPROVE THAT ONE.
HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT I HAVE NOW.
WHERE I AGENDA ITEM'S GONNA BE ARTICLE NUMBER ONE.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH ARTICLE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY OUR CHAPTER ONE FOR ALL THE CODES.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THE I P C WITH A SPECIFIC ARTICLE? SO IF THERE'S ANY ITEMS Y'ALL WANNA DISCUSS, WE CAN DISCUSS IT UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE, BUT THEN VOTE AND APPROVE THAT CHAP THAT CHAPTER'S ARTICLE OR Y'ALL CAN DO IT IF THERE'S NO REALLY ANYTHING TO DISCUSS, WE CAN APPROVE 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME, BUT, BUT WE'LL HAVE IT SET UP TO WHERE Y'ALL CAN DO THAT ON THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK THAT WRAPS UP EVERYTHING WE HAVE.