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          OKAY, I THINK WE'RE 
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READY TO GO LIVE. 
          SO GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. 
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2:00 PM – Work Session
Worksession to discuss infill design guidelines, policy guides, and rules of
procedure. No action will be taken.
3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
UM, IT IS 2 0 5 AND WE'RE GONNA START OUR, OUR WORK SESSION. 
          UM, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. 
          WE'VE GOT THREE COMMISSIONERS HERE, AND THEN THREE ONLINE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR ANYONE WATCHING ONLINE, THE REGULAR HEARING WILL START AT 3:00 PM UM, LET ME SWITCH MICROPHONES REAL QUICK. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS FINDING ONE I DIDN'T HAVE TO HOLD THE BUTTON DOWN WITH. 
          UM, SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PAIRED WITH OUR U D C AMENDMENTS, UM, BUT ARE NOT ACTUALLY BOUND TO THE U D C CYCLE. 
          AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THEM SEPARATELY, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS THEM. 
          UM, THEY ARE OUR HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, AS WELL AS RELATED POLICY GUIDES FOR, UH, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE REALLY AIMED TO BE A CUSTOMER RESOURCE FOR APPLICANTS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. 
          AND THAT WILL ALSO HELP ASSIST WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE U D C AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE. 
          FIRST WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, JUST A REMINDER, UM, THIS WAS PART OF THE, UH, DISCUSSION THAT BEGAN IN 2019 WITH, UH, THE U D C TASK FORCE. 
          THERE WAS A WORKING GROUP, UH, LOOKING AT INFILL, UM, WHAT KIND OF RULES WE HAVE IN PLACE, WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE AMENDED. 
          AND SO THERE'S, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE RESULTING FROM THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, THE FIRST WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS AMENDMENTS TO THE ACTUAL GUIDELINES THEMSELVES. 
          UM, SO THAT'S GONNA INCLUDE ONE SMALL CHANGE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE CURRENT, UM, GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS A NEW SECTION THAT IS GOING TO ADDRESS, UH, MULTIFAMILY, INFILL AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS. 
          UM, I WILL SAY JUST AS A PRECURSOR, UM, THE NEW GUIDANCE IS LARGELY CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTIONS YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TAKING FOR, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION CASES. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING A LOT OF NEW THINGS, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REALLY KIND OF APPLYING, UM, UH, THE EXISTING GUIDELINES, UH, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF MULTIFAMILY CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO WHEN THE GUIDELINES WERE ORIGINALLY DRAFTED IN 2012, UM, WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING THE, THE LEVEL OF INFILL, UH, PUSH THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY. 
          AND SO LARGELY THE EXISTING GUIDELINES WERE DRAFTED WITH ONE KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY UNIT IN MIND. 
          AND SO TODAY YOU'LL SEE ON REGULARLY ENGINE, UH, REGULARLY ON AGENDAS, UH, PROJECTS WITH FOUR TO SIX TO SOMETIMES EIGHT UNITS ON A SITE. 
          UM, WHERE HISTORICALLY THERE MIGHT HAVE ONLY BEEN ONE OR TWO. 
          UM, SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE? UM, THE REASON THAT WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO DO IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR, OUR CONTINUOUS GOAL IS TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY AND PREDICT PREDICTABILITY IN THE PROCESS SO THAT APPLICANTS AND DESIGNERS WORKING ON PROJECTS KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, UM, AND, UH, KNOW WHAT RULES, UM, ARE APPLIED TO A PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP A LOT IS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE COMPARE WHAT'S PROPOSED TO ITS SURROUNDINGS? AND SO WHAT IS THE CONTEXT AREA THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHEN REVIEWING NEW CONSTRUCTION? AND SO IS IT THE ENTIRE STORE DISTRICT? IS IT THE IMMEDIATE BLOCK? IS IT THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT? AND SO IN WORKING WITH THAT GROUP, WE CAME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT'S INFORMED THE WORKSHEET, UM, THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HELPS DEFINE THE, UM, CONTEXT AREA. 
          UM, SO AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S NEW FOR THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THEM, THERE'S A NEW SECTION EIGHT, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR, UM, MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, THAT SECTION WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY REQUESTS THAT HAVE TWO OR MORE UNITS. 
          AND SO THAT CAN BE A SINGLE LOT WITH MORE THAN ONE UNIT, OR IT CAN BE A LOT THAT'S SUBDIVIDED AND KIND OF PLAN LIKE A LITTLE, UH, SUBDIVISION. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES WE SEE A SINGLE LOT THAT'S BEEN SUBDIVIDED AND MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE NOW NEW LOTS EXIST. 
          SO THOSE WOULD BE TRIGGERED AS KIND OF A MULTI-FAMILY REVIEW. 
          UM, IT WOULD TRIGGER A WORKSHEET REQUIREMENT AS PART OF THE U D C AMENDMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, EX UM, EXTENDING THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS TO INCLUDE THIS NEW WORKSHEET IN THIS CASE WHEN THERE'S TWO OR MORE UNITS. 
          AND THEN O H P STAFF IS PROVIDING A, USING THE WORKSHEETS GUIDE THAT I'LL SHOW YOU, UM, THAT WE CAN AMEND AND UPDATE, UM, AT THE STAFF LEVEL AS NEEDED. 
          BUT WE'LL SHOW IT TO YOU SO THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE WHAT RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          SO WITH THAT, LET'S GO RIGHT INTO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THEMSELVES. 
          AND SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT DOCUMENT. 
          UM, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS JUST ADDED BLUE UNDERLINED TEXT TO SHOW WHAT IS PROPOSED. 
          UM, AS I ALLUDED TO, THERE'S ONE CHANGE IN THESE EXISTING PROVISIONS THAT I WILL FOCUS IN ON, AND THAT'S RELATED TO BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          AND SO CURRENTLY IT READS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT EXCEED THE MAJORITY 
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OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN ONE STORY. 
          UM, SO AT THE TIME THIS SEEMED LIKE KIND OF THE APPROPRIATE ALLOWANCE FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION ON A BLOCK. 
          UM, MOSTLY IN, IN MOST HISTORIC DISTRICTS YOU'RE GONNA SEE A, UM, MIXTURE OF BUILDING SCALES ON A BLOCK. 
          UM, AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO TO HAVE A VERY, UM, UH, DENSELY BUILT BLOCK WITH TWO STORY HOUSES, BUT THEN ALSO ONE STORY HOUSES KIND OF INCORPORATED INTO THE MASSING OF THAT BLOCK. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED IN PRACTICE THOUGH, IS THAT THERE'S CONCERN A LOT OF TIMES BOTH AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL AND THE, UM, THE, THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER LEVEL, UM, FOR TWO STORY HOUSES BEING INTRODUCED TO A BLOCK WHERE THE MAJORITY OR NEARLY ALL OF THE HOUSES ARE SINGLE STORY. 
          AND SO INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF STORIES WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MAYBE THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OR MAYBE THE ROOF FORMS. UM, AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, THE HEIGHT AND SCALE OF NEW CONSTRUCTIONS SHOULD NOT EXCEED THAT OF ADJACENT OR NEARBY HISTORIC BUILDINGS BY MORE THAN 50%. 
          INCORPORATING ADDITIONAL HEIGHT INTO HALF STORIES OR WITHIN TRADITIONAL ROOF FORMS IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED. 
          UM, AND SO THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TASK FORCE. 
          UM, WE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT IT 'CAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING IT HERE. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE, THE NEW GUIDANCE FOR MULTIFAMILY ABOUT THAT CHANGE? YEAH, COREY? YES, SCOTT. 
          SCOTT, UM, WHEN REFERRING TO 50%, IT'S 50% OF WHAT, WHAT IS BEING DEFINED AS, AS THE, THE METRICS HERE FOR OR DETERMINING WHETHER SOMETHING'S EXCEEDING OR MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS? YEAH, IT'S THE HEIGHT. 
          SO WE, WE SHOULD PROBABLY REPHRASE THAT HERE. 
          UH, IS THAT, IS THAT HEIGHT TO ROOF RIDGE OR TO PLATE HEIGHT OR YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? UM, IT WOULD BE MEASURED FROM BASICALLY GROUND TO RIDGE, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY CHANGES IN TOPOGRAPHY AND, AND THAT SORT OF THING MIGHT VARY THE RESULTS. 
          AND SO I'M OPEN TO TO SUGGESTIONS ON THE PHRASING. 
          YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY HERE IS, IS MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT WHAT IS BEING, UH, CONSIDERED AS THE SORT OF, UH, ADJACENT HEIGHTS THAT THEY SHOULD BE TRACKING OFF OF. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WE CAN TAKE A CRACK AT IT AND, UH, SHARE SOME UPDATED LANGUAGE. 
          UM, CAN I OFFER A, A THOUGHT ON THAT? UM, IS IT ZONING THAT TAKES THAT HEIGHT, TAKES THE RIDGE HEIGHT AS, OR LET'S SAY OVERALL STRUCTURAL HEIGHT OF SOMETHING AS THE DIMENSION BETWEEN THE PLATE AND THE RIDGE AND DIVIDE IT BY HALF AND THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH A HEIGHT? UH, THAT SOUNDS FAMILIAR, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER METHOD THAT ONE COULD USE IN LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A ONE STORY, IT IS 22 FEET HIGH FROM THAT TO THAT, DETERMINE WHAT THAT PLATE TO RIDGE IS AND CONSIDER THAT WITHIN THAT HEIGHT INSTEAD OF THE FULL HEIGHT TO THE RIDGE. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE, THE PITCH OF THE ROOF AND THE ROOF FORM ITSELF COULD REALLY VARY THE RESULTS. 
          YES. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO ADDRESS THE OVERALL SCALE, THEN UM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A FORMULA THAT CONSIDERS THE OVERALL HEIGHT TO THE RIDGE LINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS AND WE'LL PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, IN GENERAL THOUGH, I THINK THIS IS, IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION 'CAUSE THAT INCLUSION AND ENTIRE AND ANOTHER STORY COULD BE VERY, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A VERY HOT PITCH ROOF ON TOP OF THAT AS WELL. 
          IT ENDS UP BEING KIND OF A STORY AND A HALF IN MASSING. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          UM, OKAY, I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP US GOING HERE. 
          UM, OUR HOUR IS GONNA GO PRETTY FAST. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A NEW SECTION. 
          SO PAGES, UH, SO PREVIOUSLY THE GUIDELINES STOPPED HERE. 
          THIS WAS THE LAST PAGE. 
          AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW PAGE 18 THROUGH HOWEVER MANY PAGES, UM, COMPLETES THE DOCUMENT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY AND MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, AND SO AGAIN, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE TRIGGERED BY INFILL PROJECTS HAVING TWO OR MORE ATTACHED OR DETACHED UNITS ON A SINGLE PARCEL, UM, OR TWO OR MORE DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS DEVELOPED AS PART OF A PLATTED SUBDIVISION AND A RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, WE ALSO WANT TO USE THIS TO INFORM, UH, ZONING DECISIONS. 
          AND SO WHERE THERE'S A PROJECT, UM, GOING THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS THAT REQUIRES REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN AS PART OF THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZONING CASE, THEN WE ARE GOING TO USE THE WORKSHEETS TO INFORM THAT. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN HOW, UH, WHEN I SHOW YOU THAT, UM, AND I ALLUDED TO THE WORKSHEETS EARLIER AND JUST NOW. 
          UM, SO, UM, IT WILL HELP ESTABLISH THE APPROPRIATE CONTEXT 
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AREA FOR THE PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN, UH, BETTER EVALUATE WHAT APPROPRIATE SETBACKS AND HEIGHT AND ORIENTATION ARE BASED ON THAT CONTEXT AREA. 
          AND WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THESE ONE BY ONE. 
          I WILL SAY FOR THE MOST PART, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THESE ARE DRAFTED TO REALLY REFLECT THE EXISTING, UH, GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, BUT TWEAKED IN A WAY THAT ADDRESS MULTIFAMILY. 
          AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE THESE ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE ACTIONS THAT HAVE, UH, OR THE DECISIONS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS MADE REGARDING THESE TYPES OF CASES. 
          UM, AND FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COMES UP A LOT IS KIND OF HOW YOU DEAL WITH OPEN SPACE WHEN YOU'RE FILLING A A, A SINGLE LOT WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS, AND THEN WHERE DO YOU PARK THE CARS? AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING EXAMPLES WHERE, UM, WE'RE POSITIONING THE PARKING IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES OPEN SPACE AND BUILDING SEPARATION THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WITHIN THE CONTEXT AREA. 
          UM, AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT RESULT IN REDUCTION OF UNITS. 
          AGAIN, OUR PROCESS IS NOT, UH, INTENDED TO BE PRESCRIPTIVE TO THE DENSITY THAT'S THE ZONING PROCESS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ONLY GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING FORM, BUT SOMETIMES, DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING, THEY MAY OPT TO JUST REMOVE A UNIT AND HAVE DETACHED, YOU KNOW, A SMALLER NUMBER OF UNITS VERSUS INCORPORATING THOSE INTO A SINGLE, SINGLE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE WAY THAT, UH, MULTIPLE UNITS CAN BE ACHIEVED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          AND SO IS IT DETACHED VERSUS ATTACHED? AND DEPENDING ON THE CONTEXT AREA, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO DETACH BECAUSE YOU'RE PRESERVING THAT OPEN SPACE, IF THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU SOMETIMES HAVE, UH, ATTACHED UNITS THAT ARE TOO BIG, YOU HAVE KIND OF THIS STREET WALL CONDITION, UH, THAT MAY NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          AND SO THERE'S EXAMPLES OF THAT PROVIDED AS WELL. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS REALLY ADDRESS SCALE AND BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          UM, THERE ARE WAYS TO CLEVERLY INTRODUCE, UM, HIGHER DENSITY AND HIGHER SCALE WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING, UM, THAT ARE STILL COMPATIBLE. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT WE'VE PICKED. 
          UM, I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THAT THERE'S NO PERFECT EXAMPLES, BUT I THINK THAT THIS DOES A GOOD JOB OF SHOWCASING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE HERE. 
          AND THAT IS HOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE A THREE STORY BUILDING, UM, USING A VARIETY OF, UM, OF, UH, STRATEGIES. 
          UM, SO STEPPING BACK THE UPPERMOST STORY TO INCORPORATE THE MASSING INTO A HALF STORY, UM, CHANGING THE MATERIALS BETWEEN FLOORS SO THAT THERE'S KIND OF THAT DISTINCTION OF OF SCALE BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UM, ESTABLISHING A HIERARCHY OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ROOF FORMS AND SO THAT THE TWO KIND OF READ TEND TO READ SEPARATELY VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ONE GIANT BOX UNDER ONE ROOF. 
          UM, DESIGNING PORCHES AND BALCONIES TO RELATE TO A COMFORTABLE PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND PROVIDING SHADOW LINES, UM, USING FACADE SEPARATION TO CREATE PATTERN AND REPETITION AT A TRADITIONAL SCALE. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF PULLED FROM THE, THE GUIDANCE WE HAVE FOR RIO. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL SEE AS MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS ARE REVIEWED IN RIO, THAT FACADE SEPARATION BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT AND BREAKS IT DOWN THE SCALE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, KIND OF THE, A DIFFERENT WAY TO PHRASE THAT IS AVOIDING LARGE UNINTERRUPTED WALL PLANES, UM, HERE ALSO IN REGARDS TO HEIGHT. 
          AND SO USING SIMILAR LANGUAGE, UM, THAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD NOT EXCEED THE ESTABLISHED CONTEXT AREA BY MORE THAN 50%. 
          WE CAN INJECT SOME LANGUAGE HERE ABOUT HOW HEIGHT IS CONSIDERED. 
          UM, AND THEN WHERE THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, UH, PROGRAM OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES, UH, POTENTIALLY MORE HEIGHT OR HIGHER SCALE, UM, UTILIZING THESE STRATEGIES TO, TO MAKE IT MORE, UM, COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO UTILIZING HALF STORIES, UM, USING STEP DOWNS AND HEIGHT OR OFFSETTING THE WALL PLANE, KINDA WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, OR USING ROOF FORMS THAT REDUCE THE VISUAL PROMINENCE WHEN VIEWED FROM THE STREET. 
          AND SO WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, MORE EXAMPLES. 
          UM, SO THIS IS, UH, JUST KIND OF A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF A PROJECT. 
          UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY EIGHT UNITS AND THEY'VE GROUPED THEM IN DIFFERENT WAYS, UM, AS ATTACHED AND DETACHED, BUT IT'S DONE IN A WAY THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UM, THE CONTEXT AREA FOR THAT, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S IN. 
          UM, VERSUS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE STREET. 
          UM, IT DOESN'T MAINTAIN THE SAME KIND OF LEVEL OF, UH, BUILDING SEPARATION AND OPEN SPACE THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS WELL AS THE NUMBER OF ISSUES. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE HERE. 
          UM, HOW YOU CAN INCORPORATE PORCHES AND ALIGN WITH PORCHES ON EXISTING, UH, UH, HOUSES ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET TO KIND OF, UH, MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE ONE RIGHT REMOVES THE PORCH AND ALSO INTRODUCES SOME OTHER INCOMPATIBLE CONDITIONS THAT KIND OF OFFSET OR DISRUPT THAT STREET 
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CONTINUITY. 
          UM, AND THEN UTILIZING HALF STORIES TO ACHIEVE, UH, UH, HIGHER DENSITY AND HIGHER SCALE. 
          UM, SO YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY COMPATIBLE ROOF FORM, EVEN THOUGH IT IS REALLY A TWO STORY BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THIS IS ILLUSTRATING, UH, UH, HOW FRONT LOADED GARAGES ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE ON WINDOWS, UM, BUT THEN I WILL SHOW YOU, UH, WHERE WE'RE ALSO SHOWING GUIDANCE FOR WINDOWS IN OUR POLICY DOCUMENT. 
          AND THIS IS THAT ROOF FORM ISSUE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND SO THERE MIGHT BE WAYS TO SELECT OR FINE TUNE YOUR ROOF FORMS SO THAT THEY KIND OF PLAY AN OPTICAL ILLUSION TO WHERE IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AND ELEVATION, SAME RIDGE HEIGHT, BUT IT DOESN'T VIEW AS PROMINENT, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU SEE IN REAL LIFE VERSUS ELEVATION. 
          UM, SO THIS HAS BEEN ON OUR WEBSITE SINCE REALLY LATE 2019, SO YOU KNOW, MORE THAN TWO YEARS AT THIS POINT. 
          IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THERE'S, I BELIEVE THERE'S SUPPORT FOR IT. 
          I, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN A LOT OF SPECIFIC, UH, COMMENTS ON IT. 
          SO WE'RE READY TO PROPOSE THIS FOR H C R C CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO MY SLIDES, UM, THIS WILL REQUIRE COUNCIL ELECTION. 
          UM, THIS WAS ALWAYS VIEWED AS SORT OF A COMPANION TO THE U D C AMENDMENTS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS REALLY. 
          UM, I MEAN WE HAD INITIALLY, INITIALLY ENVISIONED THIS GOING TO COUNCIL AT THE SAME TIME AS THE U D C AMENDMENTS AS A SEPARATE ITEM. 
          UM, BUT THE AMENDMENTS THEMSELVES WON'T BE IN EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR. 
          AND SO WE REALLY HAVE THIS FALL TO FINE TUNE THIS IF WE WANT TO, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT TOOL. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I MOVE ON TO POLICY GUIDES? COREY? UH, COREY, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO THE HEIGHT THING, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY CRITICAL ONE TO, TO ADDRESS, UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE WHAT HAPPENS IF THE SUM OF THOSE NUMBERS EXCEEDS THE ZONING FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOT, YOU KNOW, AND OH YEAH. 
          AND ALL OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, THAT NEEDS, UH, A LOT OF REVIEW. 
          UM, AND I NOTICED YOU'RE PUTTING IN IMPERVIOUS COVER SECTION ON PAGE 20. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE INFILL DOCUMENT, UM, BECAUSE THAT IMPERVIOUS COVER IS NOT ONLY AN ISSUE WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO WITH EXISTING, UM, EXISTING BUILDINGS AND PROPERTIES. 
          SO, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FORM, I'LL PROBABLY MAKE A COMMENT, BIG QUESTION ABOUT THE DESIGN, THIS NEW DESIGN GUIDELINE SECTION AND THE INFILL DOCUMENT. 
          SO SOMEBODY HAS, OR A COMPANY HAS A LARGER SITE AND THEY COME TO YOU AND THEN THEY COME TO US WITH ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS AND THAT'S IT. 
          BUT THEY HAVE THE BALANCE OF THE SITE OPEN OR ONE, SO IF, OR LET'S SAY THEY'RE COMING WITH ONE PROJECT, BUT WITH THE INTENTION OF BUILDING MORE. 
          BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT, SO I HOPE WE HAVE SOME WAYS TO, TO DISCUSS THAT AND TO, UM, YEAH, BALANCE ALL THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, DOES IT TAKE EFFECT ON THE SECOND ONE, FOR INSTANCE? YEAH, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN'T REVIEW SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN APPLIED FOR. 
          UM, I THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN ULTIMATELY IN PRACTICE IS IF THAT SECOND PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT CAME FORWARD, WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW IT IN COMBINATION OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY BUILT ON THE SITE OR ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE SITE. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT THE GUIDANCE CHANGES, BUT IT CERTAINLY, WE'VE HAD A FEW CASES WHERE IT'S RAISED EYEBROWS. 
          'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA PROVE ONE THING IF THE INTENTION IS SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK THERE'S KIND OF PROCESS THINGS IN PLAY THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. 
          AND SO GOING BACK TO THAT EARLIER SECTION ABOUT, UM, COMPARING HEIGHTS, UM, OF ADJACENT AND NEARBY STRUCTURES IN THE INFILL DOCUMENT, TRYING TO DOCUMENT THE EXISTING CONTEXT SO THAT EXISTING CONTEXT ISN'T JUST ABOUT HISTORIC BUILDINGS. 
          IS IT ALSO ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION? YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT REAL QUICK. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED AS SORT OF, UM, THE USER GUIDE FOR THE WORKSHEETS. 
          THE WORKSHEET ITSELF IS A WORD DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE APPLICANTS UPON REQUESTS WHERE IT WOULD BE DOWNLOADED FROM OUR WEBSITE. 
          UM, OH GOSH, I HOPE IT OPENS. 
          BUT BASICALLY IT'S A FORM WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF FILL IN THESE, FILL IN THE BLANKS. 
          AND SO THE USER 
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GUIDE IS GONNA SHOW YOU HOW TO DO THAT AND KIND OF WHY AND HOW IT'S USED. 
          UM, THIS IS KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT I'VE WENT OVER ABOUT APPLICABILITY AND, UM, WHEN THIS WOULD BE REQUIRED. 
          UM, THERE'S GENERAL GUIDANCE FOR ALL PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE HTT R C REVIEW, HOW WE ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT YOU COME AND SPEAK TO STAFF. 
          AND THEN WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW, UM, PRIOR TO SOME SORT OF REVIEW BY THE H C R C, AND OF COURSE, WHEN APPROPRIATE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IS ALWAYS RECOMMENDED AS WELL AT THE SCHEMATIC LEVEL. 
          UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED WITH THE CONTEXT AREA. 
          SO ANSWERING THE QUESTION OF LIKE HOW WIDE OF A NET DO WE NEED TO CAST TO LOOK AT LIKE WHAT PROPERTIES WE'RE CONSIDERING TO BE PART OF THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT, UM, AND WHERE THE TASK FORCE LANDED AND HOW THIS IS PROPOSED IS YOU'RE TAKING THREE LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF YOUR LOT, PLUS THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THOSE, AND THEN THE LOTS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THAT TOUCH YOUR REAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF KIND OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND I WILL ZOOM IN. 
          SO ON A NON-TRADITIONAL GRID, IT LOOKS ONE WAY ON A TRADITIONAL GRID, IT'S PRETTY PREDICTABLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND SO THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES WE'RE ASKING APPLICANTS TO NOW LOOK AT AND TELL US WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE, WHAT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO INFORM THE H D R C UH, REVIEW. 
          UM, WE TELL PEOPLE HOW THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN MAP USING, UH, RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW. 
          UM, AND HONESTLY, GOOGLE EARTH IS STILL THE BEST TOOL FOR THIS. 
          AND SO IF YOU AREN'T COMFORTABLE GOING OUT WITH A TAPE MEASURE OR WITH A, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE LASER KIND, I THINK, I THINK YOUR PHONE CAN DO IT NOW, , BUT YOU CAN ALSO GO AND GOOGLE EARTH AND GET PRETTY ACCURATE, UH, MEASUREMENTS FOR SETBACKS. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT ASKING THAT EVERYBODY IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY LINES FOR EVERY PROPERTY IN THE CONTEXT AREA, BUT SIMPLY PICK A LINE THAT IS, UH, CONSISTENT FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES. 
          SO IT'S THE CURB, IT'S THE SIDEWALK, IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN CREATE A FRAME OF REFERENCE TO COMPARE YOUR PROJECT AGAINST. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE NUMBER DOESN'T MATTER. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING IS VERIFYING THAT, UM, YOU ARE GOING TO MEET OR EXCEED THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE IMMEDIATE CONTACT AREA AS RECOMMENDED BY THE GUIDELINES. 
          WHEN PERMITTING COMES AROUND, WE DO A REQUIRED SETBACK INSPECTION WHERE WE DEFINE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON, LIKE LITERALLY LOOKING AT THE SITE AND MAKING SURE THAT A MEAT SWAP WAS APPROVED. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE TUTORIAL AND ESTIMATING BUILDING HEIGHTS. 
          YOU CAN ALSO KIND OF DO THIS ON GOOGLE EARTH. 
          UM, THREE D BUILDINGS. 
          UM, THIS IS PROBABLY, UH, A VERY SIMILAR RESULT, UM, IF YOU DO IT EITHER WAY. 
          AND THEN BUILDING FOOTPRINTS ARE ALSO PRETTY EASY TO GET TO. 
          SO BCAS FAIRLY ACCURATE IN TERMS OF, UH, CALCULATING THE, UH, BUILDING FOOTPRINT. 
          UM, IF SOMETHING'S A GARAGE OR UN AIR CONDITIONED, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE INCLUDED HERE, YOU CAN ALSO DRAW IT, UM, ON THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS AVAILABLE ON BCA AND GET THAT ANSWER. 
          AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO NOW KIND OF COMPARE WHAT ARE, WHAT IS LOT COVERAGE, WHAT IS BUILDING HEIGHT, WHAT IS SETBACK WITHIN THAT IMMEDIATE CONTEXT AREA TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME MORE CONSISTENT RESULTS WHEN SOMETHING COMES INTO H D R C FOR REVIEW. 
          HEY CORY. 
          YES. 
          QUICK COMMENT ON, UH, THE, THE SAMPLE CONTEXT MAPS. 
          HAVE Y'ALL TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT RELATIVE TO A CORNER LOT AND WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE CONTEXT FOR A CORNER LOT? THAT'S WHAT THIS EXAMPLE IS HERE, LET ME ZOOM IN SO THAT YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          AND SO IT WOULD FALL AS, OH, IT IS, OKAY, THANKS. 
          MY MOUSE WENT CRAZY. 
          SO IT WOULD DO THE SAME THING. 
          YOU WOULD JUST INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET AS WELL. 
          I'M, I'M SORRY, I DID NOT SEE THAT THAT WAS A CORNER LAW. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
           UM, I CAN'T GET THE WORD DOCUMENT TO FILL, BUT BASICALLY IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THIS AND SO YOU WOULD, UH, ADD A GOOGLE STREET VIEW OR YOUR OWN PHOTO OF EACH OF THE EIGHT TO NINE HOUSES IN THE CONTEXT AREA. 
          YOU WOULD FILL OUT THIS INFORMATION, UM, SO THAT WE COULD, UM, AND YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOUR OWN INFORMATION FOR YOUR PROPO PROPOSED PROJECT HERE SO WE COULD COMPARE IT. 
          UM, THERE'S A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS IN PLACE NOW FOR, UM, A FEW OF THE I D Z UH, ZONING REQUEST TYPES. 
          THERE'S A SITE PLAN COMPARISON FORM THAT'S REQUIRED WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF JUST DEMONSTRATING, UM, HOW YOUR SITE PLAN IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE SITE, TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS NEARBY. 
          UM, THIS REALLY TAKES IT THE NEXT STEP AND PROVIDES SOME MORE INFORMATION SO THAT, UM, THE DATA KIND OF IS THERE. 
          WE'RE NOT TAKING, YOU KNOW, WILD GUESSES AS TO WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE NEXT OF THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS. 
          SO I HOPE THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. 
          I HOPE THAT ALL MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, SO JUST TO CONFIRM THE CONTEXT AREA, IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES WITHIN THAT CONTEXT AREA 
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SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED? I THINK THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE ACTUAL GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO I THINK WITH CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE SELF-EVIDENT. 
          LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE'RE SAYING, UNLESS THE ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS ESTABLISHED OR PRECEDENT LIKE THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE HERE. 
          AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THE YES, THE DECISION IS BASED ON THE HISTORIC CONTEXT, NOT RIGHT, BUT I MEAN, IF THERE IS A BLOCK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ASSESSED AND AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF NOT HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT MAKE AT THAT IMMEDIATE CONTEXT, AND THAT COULD BE THE BASIS FOR A DECISION TO WAFER FROM THE GUIDELINES A LITTLE BASED ON THE CONTEXT. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND NOT JUST APPLYING KIND OF A SET PRESCRIPTIVE STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL PROPERTY TYPES. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE, THE LAST THING, UM, IT MAY BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY FILLING OUT THAT DEVELOPMENT FORM TO ADD THIS, BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD ADD FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION A LINE ASKING FOR TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT WOULD ADDRESS NOT JUST THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, BUT OUR DRIVEWAY, OUR WALKWAY? SO WE BEGIN TO GET PATIO AREAS AND AS WE SEE PEOPLE REQUESTING ARTIFICIAL TURF AND UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET ROCKS IN THAT FIVE FOOT SITE AND SETBACK, UM, JUST SO WE CAN, CAN BEGIN TO GET A HANDLE ON IT AND HAVE THE DATA IN THE FUTURE THAT WILL HELP US AS A CITY, UH, DETERMINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPERVIOUS COVER. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE TASK FORCE LEVEL AND WE LANDED ON THAT BEING TOO MUCH, BUT, OR, OR DIFFICULT TO ACCURATELY REPRESENT. 
          BUT I AM, I MEAN, WE'RE COMING TO YOU WITH, WITH SUGGESTIONS FOR THIS. 
          AND SO I MEAN, IF THERE'S, UM, A CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL NEED TO SEE IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION, THEN WE'LL FIND A WAY TO INCORPORATE IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IF THAT JUST APPLIED TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, MOST FOLKS ARE DOING THAT ANYWAY. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU WERE TO ASK, UM, SOMEBODY TO DO IT WITH ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THAT WOULD BE YEAH. 
          REALLY BURDENSOME, BUT JUST FOR, FOR NEW, I THINK IT COULD SET A, A GOOD WAY TO DETERMINE WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          YEAH. 
          OR MAYBE, MAYBE THE, UM, I'M JUST BRAINSTORMING LIKE MAYBE SAY LIKE, THIS IS A TYPICAL LIKE LOT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS AREA BASED ON THE SIZES OF THE LOTS AND HOW BIG THE HOUSES TYPICALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS GOING PROPERTY BY PROPERTY. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, FOR THE SAME REASONS LIKE YOU, IF SOMEBODY HAD A ENTIRELY ASPHALT PAVED, UH, BACKYARD, YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BECOME THE BASIS FOR MORE IMPERIOUS COVERAGE FOR A PROJECT NECESSARILY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOT ALL THAT, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS HISTORIC, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          , YEAH. 
          COREY. 
          YEP. 
          WHEN WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT HISTORIC STRUCTURES, UH, LOOKING AT THOSE AS OPPOSED TO THE NEW NEWER CONSTRUCTION, WHAT IS THE DATE SET FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES? 'CAUSE I KNOW SAN ANTONIO CAN LANDMARK A BUILDING THAT'S ONLY 25 YEARS OLD, WHEREAS NATIONAL IT'S 50 YEARS OLD. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO, TO DO IT. 
          I MEAN, MAYBE THE WORD IS EVEN HISTORIC, MAYBE IT'S CONTRIBUTING. 
          AND TYPICALLY CONTRIBUTING IS GONNA BE ANYTHING THAT IS OF HISTORIC AGE, WHICH IN SAN ANTONIO IS TYPICALLY 25 YEARS OR OLDER AT THE TIME, WHICH IS GONNA BE A VERY WIDE NET IF WE WANNA FINE TUNE THAT MORE. 
          OR WE CAN SAY BUILDINGS, UH, GENERALLY CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE PERIOD OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S GONNA VARY FROM FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK AND NEIGHBORHOOD TO NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OH, THAT'S BEEN THERE, THAT'S EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN THERE A SEPARATE TOPIC, , NOT TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR DISCUSSING THAT CHANGE? UH, IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE THAT, UM, HOW DOES THAT WORK IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE U D C, THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT U D C CYCLE AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, SHANNON'S ABOUT TO SPEAK , BUT, BUT TO BE FAIR, LIKE WE DON'T DESIGNATE THINGS THAT ARE 25 YEARS OLD, TYPICALLY LIKE THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE THERE WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IN THE EIGHTIES THAT WASN'T THAT OLD THAT THEY WANTED TO DESIGNATE. 
          AND IT, IT'S AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, LIKE THE, THE, THE NATIONAL STANDARD IS TYPICALLY 50 YEARS OR 
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OLDER. 
          WE ARE, ALL OF US WENT ATTENDED PRESERVATION PROGRAMS AND LEARNED THAT, LEARNED THOSE KIND OF GENERAL RULES OF THUMB, BUT NONE OF IT IS SET IN STONE. 
          AND THE ONLY REASON THAT THAT ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA IS IN THERE IS, IS FOR THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO QUICKLY MOVE TO THE POLICY GUIDES. 
          UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE BRIEFLY, AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME JUST A REMINDER THAT THEY'RE THERE AND A REMINDER OF HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE USED. 
          UM, SO THESE ARE DIFFERENT THAN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          THEY ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE NEW RULES. 
          UM, WHAT THEY ARE IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW THE GUIDELINES ARE APPLIED, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW STAFF, UH, INTERPRETS THE GUIDELINES. 
          AND THEN ALSO THIS IS WHAT THE COMMISSION ROUTINELY, HOW THE COMMISSION ROUTINELY INTERPRETS THE GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO IF YOU GUYS ARE ROUTINELY FINDING THAT ONE BY THREE COMPOSITE DECKING IS A APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT FOR, FOR WOOD DECKING, THEN THAT'S IN THE POLICY GUIDE BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED THIS TYPE OF REQUEST AGAINST THE GUIDELINES AND WE HAVE FOUND THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE IN THESE CONDITIONS. 
          AND SO THE GUIDE, THE POLICY GUIDES SPELL OUT WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE, THEY PROVIDE EXAMPLES AND SO THAT CUSTOMERS NOW KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT VERSUS, LIKE I SAID, GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES AND COMING UP WITH THEIR OWN CONCLUSION. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I MEANT TO CLARIFY STAFF AND H D R C POSITION ON THE APPLICATION OF THE GUIDELINES AND GIVES EXAMPLES. 
          UM, THESE ARE LARGELY ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT WE WANT, WE WILL BE ASKING YOU TO, UM, ENDORSE THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THEM PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AS A RESOURCE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IF SOMETHING'S COMING TO YOU FOR REVIEW, UM, IT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED AGAINST THE ADOPTED HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO PULL UP THE POLICY GUIDE, SAY, LOOK AT THIS. 
          IT'S REALLY ALWAYS GONNA BE UP FOR INTERPRETATION BASED ON THE APPROVED ADOPTED GUIDELINES. 
          UM, WHAT THE POLICY GUIDES DO IN RELATION TO THE U D C AMENDMENTS IS, YOU'LL REMEMBER WE EXPANDED THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WERE NOW ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          THAT'S THE STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL. 
          AND SO WITH THE GUIDELINES, WITH THE POLICY GUIDES IN PLACE, WE CAN NOW HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS A BETTER RESOURCE TO POINT TO, TO SAY LIKE, HERE IS WHAT STAFF FINDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          IF YOU DO THIS, THEN YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO SEEK APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          AND SO THAT'S GOING TO BETTER INFORM THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY THESE WERE SO IMPORTANT TO DEVELOP AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, THERE ARE SIX PROPOSED NEW DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, THERE'S ONE FOR FENCES, AND AGAIN, THIS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH H D R C, UM, GUIDANCE. 
          UM, BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF DIAGRAM AND EXPLAINING KIND OF WHERE WE RECOMMEND THE GATE TO BE AND WHY, AND WHERE THE FRONT YARD FENCE SHOULD TERMINATE VERSUS WHERE THE PRIVACY FENCE IN THE REAR SHOULD BEGIN. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF, THAT'S THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT'S NOT IN THE CITYWIDE ADOPTED GUIDELINES. 
          THIS IS ALL PERFECTLY CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED GUIDELINES, AND THIS IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH KIND OF THE CASE HISTORY FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS. 
          AND SO WHAT THE POLICY GUIDE NOW DOES NOW IS JUST PROVIDE THIS NEW REFERENCE FOR CUSTOMERS SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SHOW THEM, UH, WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A DOCUMENT FOR PORCH REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, VERY OFTEN PORCHES ARE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS AND, UH, ARE SUBJECT TO DETERIORATION OVER TIME. 
          AND SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ORIGINAL PORCH MATERIALS, EVEN IN KING WILLIAM, WHERE YOU SEE ALL THESE REALLY, UM, KIND OF FANCY OLD ORNATE PORCHES. 
          A LOT OF THEM ARE RECONSTRUCTIONS BASED ON PHOTOS. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS GUIDANCE FOR WHAT AN APPROPRIATE STYLE OF COLUMN FOR YOUR HOME IS OR WHAT AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL FOR CERTAIN PORCH UH, ELEMENTS IS. 
          WE GET ROUTINELY REQUESTS TO REPLACE, UH, UNORIGINAL, UM, METAL COLUMNS THAT WERE INSTALLED IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES WITH WOOD. 
          AND SO WE ARE NOW SHOWING WHAT A NEW SOLID WOOD COLUMN SHOULD INCLUDE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINE VERSUS JUST A SQUARE WOOD POST. 
          UM, AND SO THESE ARE STIPULATIONS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN USING AN H D R C RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROBABLY FIVE YEARS OR MORE AT THIS POINT. 
          AND SO THIS IS JUST NOW PUTTING THEM IN ONE PLACE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY VISUALIZE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, REPLACEMENT MATERIALS. 
          AND SO THE GUIDELINES NOW, OR ADOPTED GUIDELINES SAY THAT REPLACEMENT OF MATERIALS SHOULD BE DONE IN KIND, UM, WHEN, WHEN FEASIBLE, I THINK. 
          AND SO THERE'S PLENTY OF INSTANCES WHERE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO KEEP REPLACING THE WOOD OVER TIME. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE WOOD YOU BUY FROM THE SHELF TODAY, UM, IS NOT THE SAME QUALITY AS WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. 
          AND SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT A SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL THAT MIMICS THE APPEARANCE, BUT GIVES YOU THE LONGEVITY THAT YOU WANT FOR THAT APPLICATION. 
          UM, SO PORCH DECKING IS ADDRESSED. 
          THAT'S THE ILLUSTRATION I GAVE EARLIER. 
          UM, WHAT APPROPRIATE, UH, SKIRTING MATERIAL LOOKS LIKE? AND AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN 
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THESE AT THE COMMISSION LEVEL. 
          UM, WHAT APPROPRIATE SIDING REPLACEMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW TO DETERMINE, UM, WHEN YOU SHOULD PATCH VERSUS FULLY REPLACE SIDING, AND THEN WHAT THE APPROPRIATE PROFILE WOULD BE? UM, THIS IS ONE WE'VE, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SHOWING THIS TO APPLICANTS FOR MAYBE EIGHT YEARS AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY WANTS ONE OF THESE CRAFTSMAN HOUSES REGARDLESS, OR CRAFTSMAN DOORS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEIR HOUSE IS. 
          AND SO SHOWING WHAT AN APPROPRIATE STYLE OF DOOR FOR THE HOUSE, UM, HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL AS A RESOURCE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. 
          UM, SUSTAINABILITY, THIS IS LESS ABOUT KIND OF, UM, THIS IS MORE OF A RESOURCE THAN ANYTHING AND KIND OF, UM, MEANT TO ADDRESS KIND SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE'RE HEARING FROM OUR APPLICANTS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT COME TO YOU WANTING TO REPLACE THEIR WINDOWS FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY PURPOSES. 
          UM, SO THIS TALKS ABOUT KIND OF LOOK USING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO CONSIDERING, UH, RETROFIT FOR YOUR BUILDING. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THE BEST STRATEGIES FOR A RETROFIT, INCLUDING, UH, ROOF APPLICATIONS AND WALL INSULATION, UM, JUST CHANGING THE WAY YOU OPERATE, UH, YOUR, YOUR HISTORIC HOME, AND THEN GUIDANCE ON REPAIR VERSUS REPLACE, UH, OF MATERIALS SUCH AS WINDOWS. 
          UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE NO LONGER REVIEW SOLAR PANELS FOR A CERTIFICATE, BUT WE ARE PROVIDING THAT GUIDANCE HERE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THESE ARE THE BEST PRACTICES, UM, AND THEN IF NECESSARY, BASED ON THE SUN CONDITIONS, THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PLACE THEM THIS WAY. 
          BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO, UH, PEOPLE GETTING PER REQUESTING SOLAR. 
          NOW THEY'LL COME TO US AND THEN REALIZE THEY DON'T NEED A PERMIT, BUT WE WILL STILL PROVIDE THIS FEEDBACK. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE AMENABLE TO ACCEPTING THAT, THAT GUIDANCE. 
          UM, AND THEN A NOTE ON WHITE OR HIGH REFLECTED, UH, REFLECTANCE ROOFS, UM, ZERO ESCAPING, UM, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL EXCITED FOR THE DAY WHEN YOU DON'T REVIEW LANDSCAPING AT THE COMMISSION AT ALL,  AND STAFF IS PREPARED TO HANDLE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THIS, UH, DOCUMENT IS GONNA GIVE US THE ABILITY TO REALLY WORK WITH CUSTOMERS, UM, ON ACHIEVING RESULTS THAT ARE FAVORABLE FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT DON'T INTRODUCE TOO MUCH, UH, BARREN ROCK AND, UH, MULCH SCAPES THAT DON'T INCORPORATE PLANTS BECAUSE PLANTS ARE IMPORTANT TO REDUCING HEAT ISLAND AND, UH, UH, PROMOTING POLLINATORS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE WANT IN THE CITY. 
          UM, SO BETTER EXAMPLES OF WHAT NOT TO DO. 
          AND SO THIS DOESN'T INCORPORATE ENOUGH PLANTINGS. 
          UM, WHAT A, UH, UH, WHAT INFORMATION A LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOULD INCLUDE WHEN YOU ARE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF, UH, OF GREEN SPACE BY 50% OR MORE. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A C O A AND SO YOU NEED TO SHOW US HOW YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          UM, AND THEN MORE EXAMPLES OF ONE NOT TO DO. 
          AND SO ZERO ESCAPING IS WHAT WE CALL IT WHEN IT LACKS THE, THE VEGETATION THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          UM, AND THEN WINDOWS, THIS IS ACTUALLY A THIRD ITERATION OF OUR WINDOW POLICY DOC. 
          UH, THERE'S A CURRENT ONE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR HOMEOWNERS HERE ABOUT WHY WINDOWS ARE IMPORTANT, UM, WHY, UH, REPAIR IS ALWAYS A GOOD STRATEGY OVER REPLACEMENT AND MORE INFORMATION THAT I TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT EMBODIED ENERGY AND, UH, DOING KIND OF, UH, UH, ENERGY AUDIT IN YOUR HOUSE BEFORE LOOKING AT REPLACING, UH, WINDOWS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL THERE. 
          UH, LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT'S CONSIDERED REPAIRABLE OR WHAT'S CONSIDERED BEYOND REPAIR. 
          AND THEN WHEN REPLACEMENT IS NECESSARY, HOW DO YOU SELECT AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT? AND SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THESE ARE THE STANDARD STIPULATIONS THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN ALL OF THE H C R C RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF, UM, WHEN IT'S NOT A REPAIR, WHEN IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A SEPARATE SET OF STIPULATIONS THAT ARE SIMILAR BUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, AND SO THOSE ARE LISTED HERE. 
          UM, AND THEN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A TYPICAL WINDOW SECTION AND INSTALLATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE, QUESTIONS ON POLICY GUIDES. 
          SO WHEN CAN WE GET YOU EDITS OR COMMENTS ON, ON ALL OF THIS? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND WE CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN BRIEFLY TAKE ANYTHING YOU SAY NOW, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NO LIMIT. 
          LIKE IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND WANNA JUST EMAIL ME, THEN WE'LL HAVE IT THAT WAY. 
          IF WE WANT TO CONVENE ANOTHER WORK SESSION AND KIND OF GO OVER, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LANGUAGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UM, WE CAN PROPOSE SOME LANGUAGE, UM, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT FOR THE SORT DESIGN GUIDELINES AS IT RELATES TO BUILDING HEIGHT AND TALK ABOUT IT IN MORE DEPTH. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S TIME TO DO THAT IN THE, AND THE HYPERLINK TO THIS IS ACCESSIBLE. 
          WE CAN ACCESS THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I CAN SHARE THE LINK, UM, BY EMAIL. 
          COREY, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE LANDSCAPE PAGES, THE VERY LAST PAGE IN THAT BOOKLET. 
          THAT ONE, UH, YOUR, UH, WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS DRAWING? SORRY, I TURNED ON CLOSED CAPTION HERE. 
          IS THIS A DO NOT DO? THIS IS A DO NOT DO, AND SO IT'S GREEN. 
          I KNOW WE NEED TO  YES, GREEN. 
          YES. 
          IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE . 
          IT'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING 
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ELSE. 
          SO YES, PLEASE CHANGE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COREY. 
          WELL, I THINK THESE ARE GREAT AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE A GREAT RESOURCE TO, UH, THE APPLICANTS. 
          AND I THINK THEY ALSO HELP TO REALLY SHOW THERE'S A, THERE IS AN UNDERLYING RATIONALE BEHIND ALL THIS. 
          THERE, IT ISN'T JUST AN ARBITRARY, UM, YOU KNOW, OPINION, UH, BUT THAT, THAT THERE IS A, THERE IS AN ETHOS BEHIND, UH, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE. 
          AND, AND I, I COMMEND YOU ALL ON MAKING THIS, YOU KNOW, AS, AS GRAPHIC AND ILLUSTRATIVE AS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR THE, UH, APPLICANTS. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES LEFT AND SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ALMA. 
          UM, OKAY, GREAT. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I'LL HAVE TO GO OVER HERE TO DO IT AND SHARE. 
          WE'RE NOT GETTING ALL THIS AUDIO FROM HERE, I'M JUST MAKE SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M HERE TO BASICALLY, UM, GIVE YOU SOME QUICK TIPS ON HOW TO RUN THESE MEETINGS AND CONDUCT THESE MEETINGS IN A FORM THAT PRESERVES THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS. 
          THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          SO, UM, I WANNA START WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVE IN AN APPLICATION IS EVIDENCE. 
          THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HEAR THROUGH TESTIMONY IS EVIDENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SAT ON A JURY TRIAL? SHOW OF HANDS. 
          OKAY, SO YOU ARE KIND OF LIKE THE JURORS AND JUDGE FOR EVERY APPLICATION HERE. 
          I WANNA GET THAT, UM, CLEAR. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANNA START OFF WITH IS PUNCTUALITY. 
          UM, BE PRESENT AT THE MEETINGS AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES BEFORE, PREPARE FOR YOUR CASES IF YOU CAN. 
          UM, IN SPEAKING TIME, I ASK THAT YOU, UM, HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR. 
          HE GIVES PEOPLE REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO SPEAK. 
          YOU WILL HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ONCE THERE'S A GO AROUND. 
          AND IF YOU WANNA SPEAK AGAIN, UM, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, BUT THAT'S IT TWICE PER ITEM. 
          AS FAR AS COMMENTS, THEY MUST BE RELEVANT TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND. 
          AGAIN, THESE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE INFORMATION YOU ARE RULING ON THESE CASES. 
          SO, UM, ALL THE UFF SUR ALL THE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WHICH I CONSIDER TO BE SIDEBAR, BUT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          YOU, ANY OF YOU GUYS CAN ASK FOR A POINT OF ORDER AND THAT POINT OF ORDER MUST BE ADDRESSED TO THE CHAIR. 
          SO IF YOU SEE ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, UM, GETTING OFF TOPIC OR EVEN AN APPLICANT OR, OR PUBLIC, UM, SPEAKER, YOU CAN ALWAYS POINT, UM, TO POINT OF ORDER SPEAKING WITHOUT RECOGNITION. 
          ONLY THE CHAIR CAN GIVE ANYBODY THE FLOOR IN THESE HEARINGS. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF CROSS TALKING AND THE TRANSLATORS OVER THERE CAN'T BE ABLE TO TRANS TRANSLATE ALL THAT. 
          THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO EVENTUALLY BE TRANSCRIBING THE RECORD, SHOULD THERE BE ANY LEGAL CHALLENGE, UM, NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMENTS ARE CLEAR. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE VIDEO RECORD, WE CANNOT CROSS SPEAK. 
          SO AGAIN, EVERYBODY MUST ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS OR RECOGNITION TO THE CHAIR. 
          UM, MOTIONS. 
          HERE'S THE RULE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS UNDERSTOOD BEFORE DISCUSSION. 
          THERE HAS TO BE, THE CHAIR HAS TO RECOGNIZE SOMEBODY WHO'S MAKING A MOTION THAT IS THEN SECOND. 
          SO IF YOU READ THE RULE, ANY MOTION BY A MEMBER SHALL REQUIRE A SECOND AFTER A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND DULY SECONDED. 
          DISCUSSIONS ON THE MOTIONS MAY BE HELD FOR A REASONABLE TIME, AND THAT REASONABLE TIME IS DETERMINED BY THE CHAIR. 
          SO ENTERING INTO, INTO DISCUSSIONS BEFORE MOTIONS OR ASKING EACH OTHER QUESTIONS, NO, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS AGAIN, YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR AND TO THE BODY. 
          UM, AND THE CHAIR GETS TO DECIDE WHEN TO TERMINATE DISCUSSIONS STATING MOTIONS PROPERLY. 
          I'M GONNA BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CREATIVE BODIES HERE, UM, OR INDIVIDUALS I SHOULD SAY. 
          SO I, AS I LOOK AT IT, PEOPLE GET REALLY CREATIVE WITH EMOTIONS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF YOU ARE RULING ON A CASE, THE JUDGE DOESN'T ASK YOU OR THE, OR THE ATTORNEYS DON'T ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, TO GET CREATIVE WITH A PENALTY. 
          THEY TELL YOU WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          SO I'M ASKING YOU TO EITHER APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, APPROVE AS PRESENTED, OR 
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DENY OR CONTINUE. 
          AND SO I'VE GIVEN YOU SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF HOW TO FRAME MOTIONS. 
          NOW THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE YOU GETTING CREATIVE, BUT I DON'T RECOMMEND IT IF I'M BEING HONEST. 
          UM, I THINK THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE PROCESS TO BE MOVE ALONG ON THESE MATTERS. 
          OKAY? ALL MOTIONS MUST BE SECONDED. 
          THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. 
          THE ONLY EXCEPTION IS POINT OF ORDER. 
          AND WHENEVER, UM, THE CHAIR DECIDES TO TAKE A RE RECESS OR ADJOURN, UM, MOTIONS TO AMEND, I SEE THIS HAPPEN A LOT. 
          WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS? AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ASKING ANYBODY ELSE TO CONSIDER YOUR AMENDMENT. 
          ONCE SOMEBODY PUTS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, THAT MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR THAT BELONGS TO THE BODY. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA AMEND IT, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY SUCH AND SUCH. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO TURN TO A COLLEAGUE. 
          WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THIS? WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? NO, JUST SAY, I MOVE TO AMEND TO SAY SUCH AND SUCH. 
          AND AS LONG AS THAT'S PROPERLY SECOND, THE AMENDMENT IS RULED ON BEFORE. 
          IF THERE IS A SECOND, THEN THERE IS DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          UM, UM, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          OH, THEY'RE STILL ON. 
          OKAY, SO ONCE UM, THE CHAIR CALLS FOR A VOTE, HE'S, HE'S GOTTA STATE THE MOTION AND HE'S GOTTA SAY, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE DA DA DA DA DA. 
          UM, AFTER THE, THERE IS A ROLL CALL VOTE, THE CHAIR THEN STATES THE MOTION PASSED WITH X AMOUNT OF EYES AND X AMOUNT OF NAYS, ET CETERA. 
          UM, MOST MOTIONS REQUIRE A MAJORITY. 
          THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS. 
          AND I'VE OUTLINED THEM FOR YOU IN THE PAPERWORK I'VE PROVIDED YOU. 
          THE BIGGEST THING I WANNA GET ACROSS TO THOSE OF YOU PRESENT IS, AND IF I COULD HAVE YOUR ATTENTION, THE BIGGEST THING I WANT IS WHEN YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THE ROLE OF A CITY STAFF MEMBER AND PUT YOURSELF IN THE ROLE OF THE PERSONS PRESENTING AN APPLICATION, THAT'S STRICTLY WHAT YOU ARE HERE FOR. 
          LOOKING AT THE GUIDANCE THAT STAFF HAS PROVIDED YOU, LOOKING AT THE CASE AND THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU AND IRRESPECTIVE OF ALL THE OTHER SIDEBAR OR WHATEVER YOU CAN, YOU, YOU, I LOOKED AT YOUR APPLICATIONS, I REVIEWED THEM. 
          ALL OF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT, HAVE A LOT TO BRING TO THE TABLE. 
          YOU ALL HAVE YOUR OWN EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE THAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE. 
          SO DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT IN ANALYZING THIS CASE. 
          FOLLOW YOUR OWN INSTINCTS, FOLLOW YOUR OWN GUT WHEN ANALYZING THE CASES. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE HERE TO DO. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF POLICY DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU, WHAT THE, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THESE MEETINGS ARE. 
          THEY'RE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO RULE ON INDIVIDUAL CASES. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? YES, ALL OF THAT IS FOR Y'ALL. 
          QUESTION AND COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE ONLINE, YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT WE'LL EMAIL THIS OUT AS WELL. 
          SO YOU HAVE A COPY. 
          I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE CRAFTING OR THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING UP, SOMETIMES WE, WE MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO A MOTION IN ORDER TO HELP THE CUSTOMER UNDERSTAND OR, OR, OR MAYBE GET, UH, GET, UM, UH, UH, HELP 'EM WITH THE SOLUTION. 
          IS THAT STILL ALLOWABLE OR IS IT JUST CANNOT BE AS ELABORATE OR I GUESS DESIGN ON DESIGN ON THE FLY IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW WE, WE DO THAT SOMETIMES WE, THE COMMISSIONERS WE OFFER, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT IN, IN ALL FAIRNESS TO LIKE IF YOU'RE AN APPLICANT AND STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED SOMETHING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU COME TO THIS MEETING AND YOU GET A WHOLE SET OF OTHER LIKE REQUIREMENTS. 
          I, I PERSON, I MEAN IT'S UP TO YOU ALL, YOU ALL DECIDE ON THAT. 
          BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROCESS WHEN I HEAR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT HERE. 
          AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? NO. 
          LIKE JUST LAY THE LAY, LAY YOUR MOTION. 
          I MOVE TO AMEND WHAT HAS BEEN ON THE FLOOR NEGOTIATING WITH EACH, IF THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS THANK YOU IMA YEAH. 
          OH, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO THAT. 
          I MEAN, PART, PART OF THE BENEFIT OF THIS PROCESS IS THAT YOU ALL ARE HERE TO REVIEW EACH CASE AND COME TO THE, TO THE BEST OUTCOME. 
          AND SOME OF THAT IS PROBLEM SOLVING. 
          BUT AS ALMA SUGGESTED, WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT OF NOW WE'RE CHANGING THE DESIGN AND IT'S GONNA TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON, THEN WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE REFERRING THOSE INSTANCES TO THE, TO THE RIGHT PATH, WHICH IS PROBABLY A D R C. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          YES SIR. 
          SO PREVIOUS TO THIS INFORMATION, WE WOULD HEAR THE APPLICANT, WE'D HEAR ANY PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS, AND THEN I WOULD ASK FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT CAN'T HAPPEN BEFORE A MOTION. 
          YOU HAVE TO, 
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BEFORE YOU ENTER INTO DISCUSSION, SOME, SOME MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION MUST MOVE TO EITHER APPROVE OR DENY OR CONTINUE AN ITEM. 
          AND THAT MUST BE SECOND BEFORE YOU ENTER INTO DISCUSSIONS. 
          NOW, ONCE YOU GET YOUR FIRST GO AROUND, YOU ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO ASK THE APPLICANT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE YOU'RE FACT FINDING, AGAIN, YOU'RE LIKE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HERE ARE THE RULES AND I'M TRYING TO MARRY THEM, IF YOU WILL, TO THE, TO, TO THE FACTS AT HAND. 
          SO IF YOU'RE NOT CLEAR ON THE FACTS, THERE'S, YOU GUYS ARE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT, BUT GOING, HAVING PRE HAVING DISCUSSIONS BEFORE A MOTION IS NOT, IT'S NOT UNDER THE U D C ALLOWED S SO, SO IT'S, I'M SORRY. 
          I HAVE, THANK YOU. 
          SO IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT WE COULD A A A CASE GETS PRESENTED, WE MOVE TO DENY, AND THEN DURING DISCUSSION WE CAN FURTHER MOVE, DO ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION THAT THAT WAS HAD. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BEFORE IT'S A YES, YES. 
          BUT, BUT IF YOU HAVE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF OR FOR ANY OF THE WITNESSES THAT SHOWED UP TO SPEAK ON THE CASE, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE A MOTION IS MADE. 
          YOU JUST CAN'T DELIBERATE THE MERITS OF THE, THE APPLICATION UNTIL THERE'S A MOTION. 
          IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? NO, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE A MOTION TO EITHER ACCEPT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS OR DENY OR WHATEVER, ONE OF THOSE. 
          AND AS LONG AS IT'S SECONDED WHATEVER TYPE OF MOTIONS. 
          AND I'VE OUTLINED SIX DIFFERENT TYPES OF MOTIONS. 
          SO ONCE, ONCE YOU'RE DELIBERATING ON, AND I GUESS THE EASIEST ONE WOULD BE, UH, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          AND THEN IN YOUR FIRST GO ROUND, ASK THE QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY IF THAT'S INDEED HOW YOU WANNA RULE ON THE CASE. 
          BUT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CANNOT AMEND IT IN THAT CASE. 
          RIGHT? THE MAKER, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CANNOT OFFER AN AMEND. 
          YOU CAN, ONCE IT'S SECONDED, IT'S ON THE FLOOR. 
          ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION CAN AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION, INCLUDING THE MOVEMENT. 
          YOU CAN MOVE TO AMEND YOUR OWN MOTION IF IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED. 
          OKAY, SO HERE ON, ON C IT SAYS, A MOTION TO AMEND REQUIRES THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE COMMISSION, NOT THE ORIGINAL MOVE. 
          OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          THANKS. 
          YEAH, LIKE, I GUESS THE OTHER ISSUE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, SOMETIMES I SEE SIDEBAR, I SEE FOLKS TALKING TO EACH OTHER IN A PUBLIC HEARING, ALL COMMENTS WITHIN EACH OTHER AND ALL DISCUSSIONS HAVE TO BE ON THE RECORD. 
          SO I WOULD RECOMMEND AGAINST THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          AND WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES UNTIL THE, THE HEARING IS SET TO BEGIN. 
          SO I ASSUME WE WANT TO, UH, PAUSE THE LIVE STREAM AND TAKE A QUICK BREAK BEFORE WE GET STARTED. 
          YES. 
          LET'S PAUSE FOR A FEW MINUTES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 3RD, 2022. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE, FISH. 
          HERE, SINA. 
          HERE. 
          VELASQUEZ HERE. 
          MORALE IS ABSENT. 
          MASUKA IS ABSENT. 
          CARPENTER HERE GROUP IS ABSENT. 
          SANTE HERE AND LAUNA IS ABSENT. 
          BE HERE. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          ONE OF THE INTERPRETERS COME UP. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS DINA PEREZ AND I'M AN INTERPRETER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE-CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION, ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN MOVE, CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING 
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WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION AFTER A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW. 
          AND CRITI CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. 
          THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS. 
          ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. 
          THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE. 
          AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I THINK WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          WE HAVE A PRETTY FULL AGENDA TODAY. 
          UM, SO EDWARD, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN ON OUR CONSENT ITEMS. ACTUALLY WE 
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HAVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          OH YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          LET'S, LET'S TAKE ACTION A MINUTES. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ NAY. 
          UM, CARPENTER AYE. 
          ANTE? YES, THAT SIR. 
          AYE. 
          AND THIS IS FOR THE, UH, MEETING MINUTES FOR JULY 20, 20, 22. 
          CORRECT. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          HAVE THE CONSENT 
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Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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AGENDA. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON CONSENT. 
          UM, I'LL MAKE A NOTE NOW THAT ITEMS FOUR AND 12, UM, WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY TO ADDRESS, UM, UH, STIPULATIONS EITHER FROM STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO, UH, THOSE WILL NOT BE INCLUDED ON CONSENT. 
          UM, THEN YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF LETTERS FOR A FEW ITEMS. UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO IN ORDER OF CASES AND PLAY VOICEMAILS. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON FOR ITEM EIGHT. 
          UM, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM ONE. 
          ITEM 1, 17 18 EAST HOUSTON. 
          THIS IS EVELYN BROWN, 5 27 BURNETT STREET. 
          UH, CONCERNED CITIZEN OF DIGNITY HILL. 
          COMMENTS ON CASE, UH, 3 9 4. 
          UH, WE AGREE WITH O H C RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN FAR WORSE HOUSES IN DIGNITY HILL THAT HAVE BEEN RENOVATED. 
          THIS HOUSE SHOULD BE RENOVATED AS WELL. 
          ITEM 4 10 24. 
          DAWSON. 
          HI, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS, 8 1 7 NOLAN, I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DICKIE WHITTY HILL FOR CASE NUMBER 3 8 2. 
          CONSIDERING THAT THE DESIGNS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO REVIEW THE PLANS AS REQUIRED. 
          AND DUE TO THE MISSING PLANS, WE HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S. 
          RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS UNDER SECTION B CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MET ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS FROM THE MARCH 2ND, 2021 CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THAT WAS RECEIVED. 
          IN ADDITION, THE SECONDARY STRUCTURE IS NOT VISUALLY SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          A SINGLE-STORY CASTA WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AS A SECOND STRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE ARE NO TWO STORY HOUSES ON THIS BLOCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ITEM 5 4 18 VITA UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT, UH, THESE CASES, THERE MAY BE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS FOR THESE CASES AS WELL. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO APPRECIATES THE MANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE DESIGNS OF THE NEW MEXICAN AND SPANISH RESTAURANTS ON MAVERICK PLAZA. 
          NOTABLY MOVING OF THE TWO STORY MASSING AWAY FROM THE CORNER. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT 
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THE CURRENT DESIGN BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT INTO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF LAVATA. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          NINE 30 HAYES. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDED 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WOODY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH THREE 90, LOCATED AT NINE 30 HAY STREET. 
          WHILE WE AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO BUILD A DETACHED CARPORT, WHERE ARE THE REQUIRED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO SHOW ELEVATION, SIZE MATERIAL, ET CETERA? THIS CONCEPTUAL REQUEST SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL A COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION PACKET IS SUBMITTED. 
          IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMMENT ON A CARPORT WHEN A DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED YET. 
          WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION FOR GRAVEL TO BE USED FOR PARKING. 
          WE WOULD RECOMMEND CEMENT TO BE USED FOR THE PARKING PAD AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE PAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT WE HAVE ITEM 10 22 0 2 WEST GRAMERCY. 
          UM, I'LL PLAY THE, NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ITEM EIGHT MALDONADO IN PERSON. 
          SORRY, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING TO ME. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          UM, I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. 
          WE SUPPORT THE SECOND FINAL SUBMISSION BY S A SS D FOR THE Y W L A CAMPUS IN ADDITIONS AND ARE THANKFUL FOR THE INCLUSION OF OUR COMMENTS THROUGH THE H D R C PROCESS AND FOR COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE COMMENTS. 
          THE SECOND FINAL APPROVAL SUBMISSION TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED DURING THE LAST MEETING ON THE WEST SATCH AND WEST MULBERRY AVENUE ELEVATIONS HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS. 
          WE APPRECIATE THE CHANGES IN THE PROPORTIONAL SCALE OF THE NEW ADDITION TO NOW APPEAR MORE DEFERENTIAL TO THE HISTORIC PORTIONS OF THE Y W L A HISTORIC CAMPUS. 
          WE BELIEVE THE NEW DESIGN FOR THE NEW ADDITIONS PICKS UP ON THE RHYTHM OF THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS FOR THE VERTICAL ORDERING OF THE GEOMETRIES ON THE WEST. 
          WE SATCH ELEVATION AND ARE NO LONGER DOMINANT TO THE HISTORIC FRONT FACADE ON THE MULBERRY ELEVATION. 
          THE NEW WINDOWS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SCALE, SIZE AND PROPORTIONS ARE DEFERENTIAL AND COMPLIMENTARY TO THE HISTORIC FACADE AND MORE SO THAN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED. 
          CONCERNS WHICH REMAIN ARE THE APPLICANT HAS NOT PROVIDED HEIGHT INFORMATION FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO EXPLAIN THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION WITH A RESPECT TO THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SURROUNDING HEIGHT OF THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. 
          THERE ARE NEW, NO NEW TREES TO BE ADDED OR PLANTED ON THE WEST MULBERRY ELEVATION AS PROPOSED ON THE WEST SATCH ELEVATION. 
          THE NEW ADDITIONS ON THE MULBERRY SIDE DO NOT HAVE ANY TREES TO SCREEN THE NEW ADDITIONS MASSING WITH RESPECT TO THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ACROSS THE STREET AND THE NEW INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW PARKING LOT, WHICH IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF WHAT THE WEST MULBERRY ELEVATION SIDE DO NOT HAVE ANY SCREENING. 
          ALSO, THE DETAIL OF THE NEW WINDOWS FOR THE NEW ADDITION, LACK INSET AND RELIEF DETAILS IN THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS. 
          WE ASK FOR YOU TO PULL THIS OFF OF CONSENT. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOTE THE IMPORTANCE OF STIPULATION I TO, TO I, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT FINAL PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR STAFF TO APPROVE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O C OF A. 
          WE ASK H D R C TO REVIEW, REVIEW AND ADD APPROPRIATE STIPULATIONS TO ADDRESS THE RELIEF OF THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST MULBERRY AND THE WEST SATCH ELEVATIONS. 
          LASTLY, WE ASK H D R C TO INCLUDE A STIPULATION CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES THAT THE 24 NEW PARKING SPACES ON THE WEST MULBERRY SIDE, NEAREST ENCAMPMENT BE FLIPPED IN ORIENTATION 180 DEGREES SINCE S A I S D IS NOT PROVIDED SCREENING AND NOT TO DETRACT FROM THE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THIS NEW PARKING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          ITEM 10 22 0 2 S GRAMERCY. 
          YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 H D R C CASE, 2 22 DASH 3 81 22 2 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, M P N A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P A M P N A AND THE N NP, A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          WHILE THIS CASE IS ON CONSENT AGENDA, WE NOTE THE CONTRACTOR BEGAN SIGNIFICANT WORK ON A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WITHOUT OBTAINING A PERMIT FROM THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A STANDING THING METAL ROOF, SPECIFICALLY THE STIPULATION 
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TWO I WHERE ONSITE INSPECTION IS TO BE PUR PERFORMED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF VERIFYING PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF WORK TO VERIFY THE ROOFING MATERIALS MATCH THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS SET FORTH IN STIPULATION I, WE ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT STAFF EVALUATE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF MATERIAL ABOVE THE TWO ARCHED WINDOWS ON THE OF THE HOUSE TO ENSURE PROPER TRANSITION AND TREATMENT AS THIS SECTION OF THE ROOF IS NOT SHINGLED NOR DETAILED IN THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED. 
          AND ALSO EVALUATE THE ROOF MATERIAL ABOVE THE FRONT SOUP. 
          IF THESE TWO SECTION THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS, THOSE INCLUDE OUR VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THERE ARE LETTERS, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IN YOUR FOLDERS, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY, UH, CASES FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER THREE, AND NUMBER FIVE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO POLL NUMBER, UH, EIGHT, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHERS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS FOR ITEMS 1, 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, AND 11. 
          I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ, ONE MORE TIME. 
          WELL, WE WILL NOTE THAT IT WAS, UH, A, AN AYE AND, UM, CARPENTER AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1718 EAST HOUSTON, ONE 15 ALAMO PLAZA, NINE 30 HAYES, 1903 NORTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 3 0 2 LAMAR, 2202 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE AND 1212 SOUTH ALAMO. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NOW OUR HERE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, IF WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT COME UP. 
          MARK JENSEN WITH WESTERN URBAN 4 25 SOLEDAD. 
          THIS WAS PULLED BY COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? WELL, UM, MORE THAN ANYTHING, I I JUST WANT TO RECOMMEND THE, THE TEAM ON THE WONDERFUL JOB THAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          I JUST, UH, THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY GIVE A REAL, JUST A REAL BRIEF, UH, UM, DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING, UH, WITH THE DE GARZA, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A KIND OF A REAL QUICK REITERATION OF, OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE DE LA GARZA HOUSE, AND OF COURSE, SOME MENTION OF THE O HENRY AND KNOWING THAT THE O HENRY IS NOT IN A HISTORICAL LOCATION, UM, ACTUALLY RELOCATION OF MAYBE, MAYBE 20 YEARS AGO. 
          UH, YOU CAN JUST BRIEFLY AND WE CAN LET YOU GO FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SURE. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, THE, WE START WITH THE DE LA GARZA HOUSE. 
          I THINK THAT RENDERING THAT WAS UP, THIS, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, PHOTOS, CURRENT PHOTOS TODAY. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT RENDERING IS VERY SIMILAR, UM, TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN WE, UH, CAME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT CONCEPTUAL STAGE, UH, WITH I THINK SOME ADDED DETAILING AROUND ESSENTIALLY THE, THE MASONRY, UM, THAT WILL BE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE NEW STRUCTURE. 
          UM, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT RENDERING BACK UP IF POSSIBLE. 
          EDWARD, I'LL JUST DESCRIBE IT BRIEFLY. 
          SO IF YOU CAN PICTURE YOURSELF COMING DOWN, UH, COMING WEST ON DELAROSA AND THEN TURNING THE CORNER AT LAREDO, UH, TO THE RIGHT 
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HERE. 
          SO YOU'RE STANDING ON LAREDO STREET. 
          LOOKING AT THE DE LA GARZA HOUSE TO THE RIGHT IS A SINGLE STORY STRUCTURE THAT IT WILL BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE FRONT DOOR, SO TO SPEAK, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, UM, IN THE CENTER OF THE BLOCK. 
          UH, SO A LOT OF IN AND OUT, UM, ORIENTED TOWARDS DELAROSA ON THE FRONT DOORS, BUT THERE WILL BE STOREFRONT AND THEN MASONRY AS YOU SEE HERE, UM, TO THE EAST OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THEN WE'VE CONTINUED THAT SAME FACADE TREATMENT, UH, AS IT WRAPS BEHIND. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT GLASS BLEED OUT, UH, BEHIND THE DE LA GARZA HOUSE ON EITHER SIDE. 
          THAT IS ACTUALLY A CORRIDOR THAT YOU WOULD TRAVEL. 
          IF YOU COME IN AS A RESIDENT, YOU'D COME IN THE FRONT DOOR HERE AT THE CORNER AND THEN ACTUALLY TRAVEL THE, UH, YOUR PATH OF TRAVEL BACK TO THE ELEVATORS. 
          WE'LL BE BEHIND THE DE LA GARZA HOUSE. 
          WE'RE PURPOSEFUL IN BRINGING SOME WINDOWS THERE TO, TO LET A LITTLE BIT OF THAT EXPERIENCE, UM, COME THROUGH TO THE INSIDE OF THAT CORRIDOR, KIND OF EVERY TIME YOU WOULD WALK IN AND OUT. 
          AND ALSO THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE HOPE IN THE EVENING THAT SOME OF THAT LIGHT WILL BLEED THROUGH AND KIND OF ACCENT THE PLAZA AROUND THE HOUSE. 
          UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE HOUSE ITSELF, UM, UH, FULLY PRESERVED. 
          AND THEN REALLY THE BIG MOVE HERE IS HONESTLY A GRADE ONE THAT, THAT EXISTING GRADE TODAY, THE PAVING LEVEL HAS THE PORCH BURIED. 
          AND SO THIS IS A RESETTING OF THE GRADE AROUND THE HOUSE WITH, YOU KNOW, DECOMPOSED GRANITE IN A WAY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BRING BACK THAT PORCH ELEVATION TO WHERE IT WAS HISTORICALLY. 
          HIGHLIGHT THAT PORCH, OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE THAN IT IS TODAY, AND THEN REALLY SOFTEN THE EDGES OF THE, THE STRUCTURE AROUND IT WITH, WITH LANDSCAPING, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A PRETTY NICE BUFFER, ESPECIALLY ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS REALLY, IT'S ORIENTATION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S THE NORTH AND SOUTH. 
          UM, AND I REALLY BELIEVE THIS WILL HIGHLIGHT IT IN A WAY THAT, UH, THAT IS VERY RESPECTFUL AND, AND HONESTLY WILL INVITE EXPLORATION. 
          AND THEN AS YOU MOVE DOWN LAREDO, UM, THERE IS SO TO THE LEFT AND THAT RENDERING IS THE VEHICULAR ENTRY BACK INTO THE CENTRAL PARKING STRUCTURE. 
          ALSO ALL SCREENED IN MASONRY, THAT SAME MASONRY FACADE WITH THE SAME KIND OF LITTLE HEADER DETAILS THAT CONTINUE IN THERE. 
          AND A HERRINGBONE PATTERN WILL CONTINUE AROUND AND IS ALSO SCALED AT A SINGLE STORY, UM, HEIGHT, WHICH I THINK IS, IS REALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AS YOU WRAP THAT CORNER FROM EITHER DIRECTION. 
          AND THEN THE, UH, FACADE OF THE CONTINENTAL THAT EXISTS ON LAREDO, UH, STREET TODAY WILL REMAIN. 
          SO THAT'LL KIND OF BE YOUR EXPERIENCE AS YOU WRAP AROUND. 
          AND I THINK IT WILL REALLY INVITE, HONESTLY, WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME OUT THERE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, UM, AND VERY RARELY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FRAMING, I THINK TODAY, IS ANYONE ACTUALLY EXPLORING THE HOUSE OR EVEN REFERENCING IT. 
          THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WILL STOP AT THE O HENRY HOUSE AND READ THE PLAQUE. 
          UH, BUT NONE OF THAT OCCURS WITH THE DAILY GARZA HOUSE. 
          SO WE REALLY WANT TO CORRECT THAT AND HIGHLIGHT THAT AND, AND TELL ITS STORY. 
          THE O HENRY HOUSE IS A REFERENCE POINT. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL FINALIZING. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO LOCATIONS. 
          WE'VE GOT A FAVORITE, AND THEN KIND OF A BACKUP, BOTH OF WHICH ARE WITHIN ONE BLOCK OF ITS CURRENT CONTEXT. 
          SO WE INTEND TO KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS NOT ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION. 
          IT HAS BEEN ITS LOCATION FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW. 
          UH, AND I THINK IT STILL IS A GREAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A GREAT STORY POINT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF THE HISTORY AND THE, THE HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF HISTORY FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTS THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE, UH, GET INTO DISCUSSION, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT AS AS SUBMITTED. 
          AS SUBMITTED. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND NOW WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, I JUST, UH, THINK THAT THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT PROJECT BECAUSE IT, IT, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THAT THAT REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY FROM, FROM AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TALKS ABOUT THE, THE P UNDER THE MATTRESS, RIGHT? IS THAT THIS, THIS, THIS LITTLE ARTIFACT OF SAN ANTONIO IS SO SPECIAL TO US IS, IS REALLY A LITTLE GOLDEN NUGGET, RIGHT? THIS, THE LA GARZA HOUSE, AND THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, UH, DEVELOPER AND, AND THE, UM, THE, THE TEAM, UH, SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          IT REALLY SPEAKS TO ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE US THAT ARE DIFFICULT, THAT HAVE THESE MAMMOTH BUDGETS AHEAD OF, UH, UH, SOMETHING THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN SPECIAL TO US, RIGHT? AS A CITY. 
          SO I WANNA JUST, UH, UH, COMMEND THE DEVELOPER COMMEND, I, I THINK IT'S THE WESTERN URBAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP, UH, UH, FOR REALLY, UH, ALL WE CAN SAY IS THAT THE PROOF IS IN 
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THE PROJECT. 
          AND, AND YOUR SINCERITY TO THE CITIZENS AND YOUR SINCERITY TO OUR HISTORY IS EMBEDDED IN THIS PROCESS ON AN ARCHITECTURAL LEVEL. 
          I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. 
          THE WAY THAT I WAS INTERPRETING IT WAS THE TRANSPARENCY BEHIND THIS LITTLE BUILDING ENABLES THE BUILDING TO ALMOST DISAPPEAR AT TIMES, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT PRESENTS THE LITTLE BUILDING AS AN ARTIFACT, MUCH LIKE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM IS, UH, DOING ON THE EAST SIDE, UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S, UM, ORLAND PARTNERS, IF I, IF I'M CORRECT. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A, AN ARCHITECTURAL FEE. 
          IT TAKES THREE LAYERS, LAYER, THE CONTINENTAL, THE PREVIOUS LAYER OF THE DE GARZA PERIOD AND THE MINTING, UH, UH, IS SO IMPORTANT TO US. 
          AND THEN MODERNITY, WHICH WHICH I AM A, A, A, A FAN OF AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, MY, MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          I, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'M CALLING COMMISSIONERS IN ORDER. 
          YES. 
          JUST TO KEEP A LITTLE, UH, THINGS IN ORDER. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I HAVE NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO COMM, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, I ASSUME YOU'VE REVIEWED STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          WAS THERE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS? NO, SIR. 
          NO DISAGREEMENT. 
          WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON, UH, THE ONE, CANDIDLY, THE TRICKIEST IS, IS FIGURING OUT KIND OF THE RIGHT TREATMENT FOR THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION TOWERS, THE CONCRETE THAT EXTENDS NORTH. 
          BUT WE'VE MET AND CONTINUE TO MEET, AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT KIND OF FIT THERE. 
          SO NO, NO CONCERNS. 
          AND MR. CHAIRMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MOTION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS. 
          SO I WOULD, UH, OFFER A MOTION TO AMEND TO INCLUDE THE STIPULATIONS. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I, I PREFER THE MOTION AS IT IS. 
          I, I THINK THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, JUST A MINUTE, MR. VELASQUEZ, WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION TO AMEND. 
          WE WILL HEAR THAT FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES, AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR, I WOULD LIKE GIVING THE AMENDMENT, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE AMENDMENT, UM, AS PRESENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER, FISH. 
          UM, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS ARE REALLY REASONABLE AND MOSTLY BAKED IN, AND I DON'T SEE A REASON TO EXCLUDE, EXCLUDE THESE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UNLESS THERE IS A COMPELLING ONE. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? WELL, MR. CHAIR, MY, MY, UH, COMMENTS ARE JUST TO THE, THE, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, RESPONSIBILITY THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THIS APPLICANT, UM, IS, UH, KIND OF A TESTAMENT OR, OR THE RESULT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY, THEIR ABILITY TO, TO BALANCE THAT OUT. 
          I PERSONALLY, UH, UM, UM, DO, DO NOT THINK THAT IT'S THE TIME IN THE DESIGN PROCESS TO LIMIT THE WISDOM OF THE DESIGN TEAM THAT THEY SHOW THEMSELVES TO BE ABOVE AND BEYOND. 
          AND I, I PREFER IT TO, UH, EXTEND THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF CREATIVE LICENSE TO THIS DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN GOES, IF, IF IT'S AN EXTRA 2%, WELL, TO ME, THAT 2% WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          HOWEVER, IF IT MEANS HOLDING UP THIS BOAT, UM, THEN I WOULD, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, DEFER TO THE, UH, MOTION TO AMEND. 
          I, I, I, IS THERE A, UM, IS THERE A SENSE THAT, THAT NOT ACCEPTING THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WOULD HOLD UP THE VOTE? WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE ONCE WE VOTE. 
          UM, WELL, COMMISSIONER, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GAMBLE. 
          UH, UM, IT'S JUST NOT WORTH WELL, IF THE, IF THE MOTION FOR AMENDMENT FAILS, THEN WE WOULD VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER, A AMEND AMENDMENT, UH, MOTION. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I, I HEAR YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, I THINK THE, UH, THE AMENDMENT IS REASONABLE AND, AND, UM, I DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO ANY OF THE, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS, AND I DON'T THINK THEY, UM, ARE THAT ONEROUS TO THE, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I ALSO AGREE THAT THE STIPULATION SHOULD BE ADDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M SORRY, I FORGOT COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND FROM THE PRESENTER STANDPOINT, THE, THE STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ARE YOU IN, IS YOUR PRESENTATION IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS AT ALL? UH, NO, SIR, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          IF I'VE WORKED WITH EDWARD AND STAFF, I'M NOT, NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANY OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE ADDED, BUT THERE NO, NO PROBLEM THEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, UM, SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION. 
          AND, UH, THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR WORKING THIS OUT WITH, UH, STAFF AND WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THE PREVIOUS, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS GETTING TO THIS POINT. 
          AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO NOW I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT GIBBS, WHICH IS APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE DULY NOTED, UH, GIBBS, I, AYE FISH, AYE. 
          SAVINO AYE QUE VELASQUEZ. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. 
          UM, IF, IF THIS, IF, IF THIS PASSES, IT DOESN'T GO BACK TO THE OTHER, IT DOES, IT DOESN'T GO BACK TO THE OTHER TO AMEND THE OTHER VOTE. 
          THIS IS IN, IN ITSELF AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VOTE. 
          THERE'S BEEN A VOTE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE MOTION WAS TO AMEND THE . 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          LET ME RESPOND. 
          UM, MR. VELASQUEZ, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND, AND IT'S TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ON THAT AND, UM, THEY'RE DOING ROLL CALL NOW. 
          SO IF THIS ME MOTION IS APPROVED, THEN THE MOTION IS ADOPTED. 
          OKAY? SO, OKAY, J J JUST A SECOND. 
          SO THEN WHEN A MOTION IS MADE, SOMEONE CAN MAKE ANOTHER MO. 
          OKAY, THEN, THEN I'M GONNA MOTION TO, UM, I MEAN, THEN I'M GOING TO, UM, SAY A, UM, YAY, DULY NOTED CARPENTER, SAY YES. 
          CARPENTER. 
          COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER, AYE. 
          BANES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          SO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 82. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WILL READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 10 24 DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT ALL WINDOWS FEATURE SASH PROFILES AND THE FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED TO BOTH THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY EITHER VOID, FENESTRATION, OR FEATURE LARGE UN SEPARATED WALL PLANES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WINDOWS ON THE PROPOSED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES AND SEAL DETAILS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OF THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE LOT. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DAWSON ALLEY DESIGN TO FEATURE A TRADITIONAL PORCH ELEMENT RATHER THAN A CANTILEVERED ELEMENT. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. MARK FLYNN IS JOINING US, UH, VIA WEBEX. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, UH, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AS WELL, BUT THE APPLICANT, UH, SPECIFICALLY STAFF WANTS TO DISCUSS THE, UH, INCORPORATION OF THE PORCH ELEMENT FACING DAWSON ALLEY. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED STAFF WITH, UH, REVISED DESIGN. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT WOULD ALSO LIKE FEEDBACK. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAD PREVIOUSLY NOTED THAT HE WAS WANTING TO, OR THAT HE WAS, UH, OPEN OR WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF AND AGREE TO THOSE STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, STAFF RECEIVED THIS DOCUMENT, UH, I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND DON'T NECESSARILY FIND THAT IT COMPLETELY ADDRESSES THE PORCH STIPULATION. 
          UH, BUT COMMISSIONERS WE'RE, UH, HERE FOR FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS WELL AS, UH, PRESENTATION FROM MR. FLYNN, UH, IF HE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT. 
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YES, THIS IS MARK. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          UM, WE CAN ADDRESS THE FENESTRATIONS, UH, ON THE, ON THE EAST AND WEST FACE. 
          WE, I ADDED TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE NOW, AND THE DESK PORTIONS BUILT IN DESK PORTIONS OF, OF THE, UH, FACILITY. 
          AND THEN, UH, ADDED ONE ON THE WEST SIDE THAT IS IN THE HALLWAY OF THE STAIRS THERE. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO PREVENT FROM ADDING TOO MANY WINDOWS TO THAT SIDE 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO INFRINGE UPON THE NEIGHBOR'S PRIVACY. 
          UM, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY COULD ADD THAT WINDOW THAT BRING, ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE IDEA 'CAUSE IT BRINGS IN LIGHT INTO THE STAIRWELL GOING TO THE SECOND FLOOR. 
          UM, THE ISSUE WITH THE PORCH, UH, I JUST WAS DURING THE COURSE OF THIS CALL ON THE CON CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ROLAND ABOUT, UH, THE SETBACKS. 
          AND BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE SAME SETBACKS ON THE STIPULATIONS OF 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE BASED ON WHERE IT'S LOCATED WITH THE ALLEY, UM, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO TO REDESIGN WITH MY ARCHITECTURAL STRUCTURE. 
          BUT ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS, WAS JUST TO PUT SOME DECORATIVE COLUMNS ON THERE THAT WOULD PREVENT ME FROM SPENDING MONEY ON, UM, GOING BACK FOR STRUCTURAL DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. 
          BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MY DEAL COMES PRIOR WITH H D R C, THAT, THAT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON THE TYPE OF COLUMN FEATURES THAT THEY WANT, AND CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO ADHERING TO THOSE. 
          AND ALSO THE WINDOWS. 
          I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SOURCE THE WINDOWS. 
          I'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY, BUT, UH, WHEN THE TIME IS, UH, WHEN I, WHEN I FIND THE RIGHT, UH, VENDOR THAT CAN SUPPLY THE CORRECT WINDOWS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING THOSE IN AS WELL TO MATCH THE FRONT BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION PRIOR TO A DISCUSSION. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE, OR STAFF, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? I'M SORRY. 
          YES, THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE PLAYED EARLIER. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO DURING THE, UH, YES, VOICEMAIL PORTION OF CONSENT AGENDA, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS PROJECT, THIS PROPOSAL, AND TO, UM, UH, SUGGEST AN D R C. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. 
          SO NOW WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, SAVINO. 
          UM, I DO WANNA CONTINUE THIS, UH, AND EVEN ENTERTAIN A D R C BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING AGREED UPON AND THAT AREN'T EVEN SHOWN IN THE PLAN, UM, OR IN THE DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, WITHOUT REVIEW, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO REVIEW THE ADDITION OF THE WINDOWS, THE ULTIMATE DESIGN FOR THE PORCH, ALSO TO GET CLARITY ON THAT SETBACK AND JUST, UM, UM, CONFIRM WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS AS WELL AS A LANDSCAPE PLAN, BECAUSE WE ARE ANTICIPATING PARKING FOR TWO NOW, TWO STRUCTURES. 
          WELL, LET'S SEE, THE DUPLEX OF THE NEW AND THE EXISTING HOUSE ALONG THAT BACK DRIVEWAY. 
          SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT FENCES, DRIVE SPOTS AND PLANTING. 
          SO THERE'S QUITE A LOT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT BEFORE WE GIVE APPROVAL TO THIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, MR. CHAIR. 
          THIS PROJECT IS AN EXAMPLE OF KIND OF THE SIMPLEST PROJECT THAT CAN POSSIBLY COME BEFORE US WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TIME AND WE TALK ABOUT, UM, JURISDICTION, RIGHT? AND, AND REALLY WHAT CONSTITUTES, UM, APPROPRIATE DESIGN. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, TO ME, TO THE LEVEL OF MICROMANAGING PROJECT, IF WE COULD GO TO THE ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE IT IS FAIRLY SIMPLE, WELL BALANCED. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WITHIN, HONESTLY, REALLY SPEAKING IN THE CONTEXT OF A VERY, UH, UNDERSTATED, UH, DESIGN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH LIKE THE SHOTGUN HOUSES, RIGHT? REALLY HUMBLE AND A VERY, UH, BUT, BUT, BUT THERE'S AN ATTITUDE TOWARD BALANCE. 
          I, I THINK THIS IS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THE TYPE OF PROJECT THAT IS THE KIND OF PROJECT THAT SHOULD BE, UH, APPROVED. 
          AND THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          I, I SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S, UH, MOTION. 
          I THINK PARTICULARLY FOR ME, THE, UM, AN EXAMINATION OF THE SOLUTION FOR THE FENESTRATION IS IMPORTANT. 
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UM, BUT I DO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          I THINK IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, MASSING AND SCALE AND MATERIALITY. 
          UH, THIS PROJECT IS LARGELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK, BUT I THINK ONE MORE ROUND OF REVIEW WOULD NOT BE OUT OF THE QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          JUST HAVE A QUESTION, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, DOES THIS, UM, A D R C IMPACT HIS TIMELINE OR SCHEDULE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YES, IT DOES. 
          I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET QUALIFICATIONS FROM MY LENDER RIGHT NOW AS TO WHAT MY SCHEDULING GUIDELINES ARE. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FOR THEM. 
          I HAVEN'T GOT THAT ANSWER, BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO DO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN DESIGN, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET TO THE TRADES AND GET IT REBID AS WELL. 
          SO THAT'LL ALL DELAY IT. 
          UH, I'VE GOT THE PERMIT AND I'M GOING DOWN FRIDAY TO MEET WITH, UH, MR. GONZALEZ, UM, JUST TO KINDA WALK THROUGH THIS PROJECT WITH HIM FACE TO FACE, UM, JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID FROM THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS THEY HAD ASKED ME TO REDUCE THE RIDGE LINE AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY COULD. 
          AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AT 28 FEET, AND I BROUGHT IT DOWN, UH, FIVE FEET, ONE AND A HALF INCHES TO 22, 10 AND A HALF, 10 FEET, 22 FEET, 10 AND A HALF INCHES, UH, TO HELP SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE TIMELINE IS, IS CERTAINLY BEING IMPACTED TO WHAT EXTENT I HAVEN'T DEFINED THAT YET. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THEN REAL QUICK TO STAFF THEN, ADDING A D R C TO THIS ADDS HOW MANY WEEKS RIGHT? FROM, FROM FROM TODAY IF, IF IT WAS NOT APPROVED TODAY? UH, WELL, UM, IF THE MOTION WAS TO, UH, REFER TO D R C AND THAT MOTION WAS APPROVED, D R C WOULD BE EITHER NEXT TUESDAY OR NEXT WEDNESDAY. 
          UM, IF THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO INCORPORATE ANY POTENTIAL COMMENTS THAT THE D R C WOULD HAVE, UM, THE APPLICANT, IF EVERYTHING WAS DONE QUICKLY, COULD POTENTIALLY RETURN TO THE COMMISSION ON THE 17TH. 
          UH, BUT I THINK FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S, UH, MORE REALISTIC IS FOR AN APPLICANT TO RETURN, UH, UH, TWO HEARINGS LATER. 
          SO, UH, THE FIRST HEARING IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH WOULD BE SEPTEMBER THE SEVENTH. 
          UH, SO THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST REALISTIC TIMELINE IF, IF THAT WERE, UH, THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I'M, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THEN, UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, UH, MAJOR CHANGES ON THE, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE TIGHTEN SOME, SOME LITTLE THINGS, SOME DETAILS UP. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, COMMISSIONER? MAY I, UH, CHAIR, MAY I RESPOND TO THAT? UM, I THINK TO ANTICIPATE, UM, THE TIMELINE WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD A DISCUSSION IS A LITTLE BIT FORWARD, UM, CONSIDERING, UM, I THINK MY MA ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS IS THE LANDSCAPE AND THE FENCING AND THE DRIVE THAT REQUIRES JUST A SIMPLE LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          BUT I AM REQUESTING THIS AND THE DOCUMENTATION AHEAD OF TIME IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND KNOWLEDGE, AND THAT THESE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I TOO SUPPORTED THE RC TO IRON OUT THESE, UM, THESE DETAILS SO I THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          AND I WOULD, UH, CONCUR WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO THAT AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, THERE'S ENOUGH HERE, UH, DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF REDESIGN, IT JUST NEEDS MORE CLARIFICATION. 
          AND SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE, UH, MOVE TO THE D R C CHAIRMAN FETZER. 
          I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UM, HAD A QUESTION YES, PREVIOUSLY, YEAH, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, THERE ESSENTIALLY IS NOT A LANDSCAPE, AND YOU'VE GOT A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND THE, UH, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE ZONING, I WILL BE PUTTING THE FRONT OF THE PORCH RIGHT UP AGAINST THE, UH, GATE THAT I'VE ALREADY INSTALLED. 
          IT'S A SWING GATE. 
          THE AREA IN FRONT OF THAT IS BASE GRAVEL. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PARKING FOR THE TWO AREAS, AND IT GOES RIGHT INTO THE, UH, UH, ALLEYWAY. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S A SHARED DRIVEWAY, BASICALLY OF CRUSHED, CRUSHED GRAVEL. 
          SO TO ANSWER THE YOUNG, THE LADY'S QUESTION ON THE, UM, LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK THERE, THERE 
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REALLY ISN'T ANY MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS, UH, FOR, UH, THE RETURN OF, UH, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, HOW, HOW IS THAT? AM MY, AM I OFF OR AM I ON? NO, YOU'RE ON. 
          YOU'VE GOT TWO MINUTES. 
          OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I THINK, I THINK THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR PROCESSES ARE AND WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE. 
          FOR INSTANCE, WE JUST SAW A DOWNTOWN TOWER THAT'S DEALING WITH A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT AT THE 17 HUNDREDS, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COMPLEXITIES OF THAT. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS A DOOR TO THAT PROJECT, RIGHT? THIS, IT'S A WINDOW. 
          UM, THE, THE DISCUSSION OF THE WINDOW IN THE, IN THE, UH, STAIRCASE, THO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE DIS, UH, DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW, AND THEIR COMMITMENTS THAT COULD BE PUT IN AS STIPULATIONS. 
          THIS PROJECT COULD BE IN AND OUT, AND THIS PERSON CAN GET TO WORK ON THIS SIMPLE PROJECT. 
          IF WE HAVE A, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE OUR STANDARD, OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR LEVEL OF CARE WITH RESPECT TO THE MANAGEMENT OF APPLICANT, UH, CONSIDERATION, APPLICANT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS AN EQUAL, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THEY'RE HERE TO, TO, TO, TO PRESENT. 
          AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE ALL AT THE, ON THE SAME LEVEL, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION. 
          AND THE OBLIGATION THAT'S SET BEFORE THE COMMISSION IS BECAUSE THIS APPLICANT IS BEFORE US, RIGHT? THAT IT, THAT THERE'S VERY CLEAR, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES OF THIS, UH, LITTLE HOUSE IN, IN, IN 10 MINUTES, RIGHT? AND, AND I WOULD SAY IN FIVE MINUTES, AND, UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS, UH, SEEMS TO BE, UH, UH, READY TO, TO, TO TAKE STIPULATIONS BACK AND, AND, AND THEN HAND IT OVER TO STAFF FOR STAFF TO MANAGE. 
          BUT, UM, SIR, IN THE, IN THE INTEREST OF, UH, CUSTOMER FRIENDLINESS AND, AND, UH, THE EXPEDIENCE OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS, THIS IS A BASELINE OPPORTUNITY FOR US. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU WISH TO MAKE AN, UH, AMENDED MOTION? WELL, WELL, SIR, IF, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS SOUNDS AS A MOTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, UH, AMEND THE MO. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION, UH, THAT, UM, THE PROJECT B, UH, APPROVED WITH, UM, UM, WITH, UH, STIPULATION SET BY THE COMMISSION IN THIS, UH, SESSION HERE. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND, THEREFORE, WE WILL NOW VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          NAYYY CARPENTER AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. FLYNN. 
          I WILL, UH, SEND YOU AN EMAIL TOMORROW THAT'LL HAVE INSTRUCTION SPECIFIC TO YOUR DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TIME SLOT. 
          THAT'LL BE EITHER NEXT TUESDAY OR NEXT WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. 
          I'LL PROVIDE THOSE SPECIFICS AS WELL AS A LINK FOR YOU. 
          THANKS SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          AGENDA I BEAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 4 18 B TO STREET. 
          UH, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED FOR COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. 
          THE APPLICANT, UH, APPLICANTS, I SHOULD SAY, ARE WITH US VIA WEBEX. 
          I'M SORRY, I STARTED, UM, ADDING THE WRONG APPLICANT. 
          SO, MARK, YOU SHOULD GET A REQUEST TO UNMUTE ANY QUESTION THEN. 
          CHEF JOHNNY, I SEE YOU AS WELL. 
          MARK, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY, DAVID, ARE YOU THERE? I NEED TO UNMUTE. 
          I'M HERE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          CHEF JOHNNY'S HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GOT JOHNNY HERNANDEZ? YES. 
          YOU MAY PRESENT YOUR CASE AND RESPOND TO, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          MARK, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
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NOPE, THAT'S NOT IT. 
          SO YOU'RE UNMUTED, BUT YOU'VE GOT A MIC ISSUE. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BETTER. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, YOU, YOU PULLED THIS OFF, THE CONSENT. 
          WERE THERE, WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, FOR ME TO DISCUSS OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION FIRST? UH, GO THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION FIRST AND THEN WE'LL, UH, GET TO COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          WELL, UM, HERE IN LOBBY MAVERICK AND MAVERICK PLAZA, UM, WE ARE DEVELOPING TWO RESTAURANTS AND COORDINATION WITH, UH, CHEF JOHNNY HERNANDEZ, AS WELL AS SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, THE FIRST RESTAURANT IS THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MAVERICK PLAZA. 
          ALONG EVA AND ALMO STREETS, THIS IS GONNA BE A NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          THE SECOND RESTAURANT IS ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE PLAZA. 
          IT'S THE VILLE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS, UM, ATTACHED TO AN EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT. 
          UM, THE BUILDING IS A, IS AROUND 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FLOOR PLATE AREA. 
          IT IS A SINGLE STORY WITH A ROOFTOP DINING EXPERIENCE. 
          IF WE GO TO THE NEXT, THIS SHOWS THAT ROOFTOP DINING AREA, OOPS. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO HERE IS IN THE PAST WE HAVE MET, UM, SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS SINCE THERE WERE DELAYS DUE TO COVID, UM, WITH THE D R C, AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND COMMENTS, AND WE'VE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT AS MUCH OF THOSE AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, WE'VE ALSO MET WITH CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, AND, UH, AND OTHER REPRESENTATIVES AND STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL. 
          SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE THIS BUILDING MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALED. 
          UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS ELEVATION HERE, THIS IS LOOKING FROM MAVERICK PLOTS THAT WE HAVE A TWO STORY BRICK, OR EXCUSE ME, A ONE STORY BRICK, UM, MASS, WHICH, UM, PREVIOUSLY WAS ACTUALLY A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT WE'VE LOWERED DOWN TO THIS ONE STORY PIECE. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK, SO I'M, I'M HEARING A LOT OF ECHO. 
          YEAH, I THINK Y'ALL HEAR THAT IN THE WEBEX. 
          WE'RE NOT HEARING IT IN THE ROOM AS MUCH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT TRY SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON OUR END. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, IT'S MAKING IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO PRESENT, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          . 
          UM, SO AT, AT THE LEFT SIDE OF, OF THIS ELEVATION IS OUR ENTRY. 
          WE HAVE A TWO STORY, OR EXCUSE ME, A DOUBLE DOOR WITH AN ARCHED ENTRY HERE, FACING MAVERICK PLAZA. 
          UM, WE'RE TRYING TO PULL INSPIRATION FROM THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING FROM, UH, THE FAIRMONT ACROSS THE STREET ON EVA, AS WELL AS, UM, THE VIENNA HOTEL, WHICH USED TO BE ON THIS EXACT SITE, UM, BEFORE IT WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE THIRTIES. 
          IF WE MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT INTO THIS, UH, CENTRAL SECTION, WE'RE TRYING TO PULL INSPIRATION FROM, UH, THE SINGLE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE THROUGHOUT LATA. 
          IT'S A PLASTERED BUILDING. 
          WE HAVE LARGE WINDOWS TO LOOK INTO THE DINING SPACE, AND WE HAVE A, UH, A NICE SHED ROOF IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN LATA. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE A NICE, UM, UM, STAIRWAY THAT GOES UP TO THE UPPER STORY, AND WE'RE, IT'S ARCHED UNDER THAT, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PULL INSPIRATION FROM THE RIVER WALK BRIDGES THERE. 
          FINALLY, WE HAVE A TWO STORY MASS OF PLASTER. 
          UH, WE'RE TRYING TO PULL SOME LIGHT VICTORIAN, UH, UH, STYLING FROM THAT. 
          WE HAVE A JULIET BALCONY, UM, SOME, SOME VICTORIAN STYLING IN THE, IN THE PARAPET AS WELL, UH, WHICH WE HAVE SOME SHUTTERED WINDOWS AS WELL, JUST TO TRY TO BRING IN SOME OF THAT CHARACTER FROM LOBBY. 
          THAT. 
          AND SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE LOBBY THAT IS MORE THAN JUST THE SHOPS OF LATA, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NEXT TO, UH, THE RIVER. 
          THE, THE, THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS VERY LARGE AND THERE'S LOT TO PULL INSPIRATION FROM. 
          YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THIS IS AS IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING FROM ALAMO STREET. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE OUR ONE STORY BRICK MASS HERE. 
          BEHIND THAT, SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER BEHIND THAT IS OUR TWO STORY MASS FOR OUR DINING EXPERIENCE ON THE ROOFTOP. 
          UM, SO IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY ON THE STREET LEVEL LINE OF SIGHT WISE, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT BRICK PORTION THAT'S AT ABOUT 18 FOOT TALL, UM, HELP WITH LINE OF SIGHT BEHIND THAT AS WELL. 
          SO IT REALLY HELPS TO BRING IN THAT PEDESTRIAN ASPECT. 
          AND THOSE WINDOWS ARE REMINISCENT OF WHAT, UH, TYPES OF WINDOWS 
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YOU CAN SEE AT THE FAIRMONT AS WELL. 
          WE CAN GO TO THE NOVA STREET SIDE. 
          SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THE  STREET ELEVATION. 
          WE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY FOR THE PEOPLE WALKING ALONG TO WEB STREET. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS WE ARE TRYING TO PULL INSPIRATION ONCE AGAIN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TYPE STRUCTURES, HAVING A LOWER ROOF, UM, HAVE A REPETITION OF THESE LARGE, UH, WINDOWS, TALL WINDOWS WITH SHUTTERS THAT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO A DINING SPACE. 
          SO AS PEOPLE GO ACROSS THE SPACE, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE DIRECTLY INTO THAT DINING SPACE, HOPEFULLY GET YOU EXCITED, GO AROUND THE CORNER, GET INSIDE A LOBBY THAT GO INSIDE OF MEDICAL PLAZA. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT, TRYING TO REALLY REINVIGORATE THIS AREA ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          ONCE AGAIN, HERE WE CAN SEE THE TWO STORY MASS ON THAT ONE PORTION OF THE BUILDING, BUT IT IS SET BACK STILL. 
          WE DO HAVE THAT LOWER ROOF ELEMENT, UH, THAT REALLY DOES HELP TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN SCALE. 
          SO ON THIS FACADE, UM, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A BRICK FACADE. 
          IT'S ON THE NORTH FACADE OF THE, OR, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE WEST FACADE. 
          UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT GONNA SEE MUCH OF THIS BECAUSE THERE IS GONNA BE ANOTHER RESTAURANT, UH, WITHIN 10 FEET OF THIS FACADE, AND IT'S, IT IS GONNA BE GATED OFF. 
          UM, SO WE DO HAVE A NICE BRICK THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF, UH, THE BUILDING. 
          UM, BUT THIS WILL BE, UH, LARGELY UNSEEN. 
          SO WE DID WANT TO SHOW YOU IN COMPARISON, UH, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THE FAIRMONT HOTEL, UH, IS SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN OUR TALLEST PORTION OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS JUST A SMALL PORTION OF OUR BUILDING. 
          AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT IN CONTEXT WITH OTHER BUILDINGS, UH, WITHIN THE SHOPS AREA. 
          , YOU CAN SEE THE MCALLISTER BUILDING HERE AS IF WE WERE LOOKING AT IT FROM ALAMO STREET BETWEEN THE MCALLISTER BUILDING AND THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT. 
          YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS MAVERICK PLAZA BETWEEN THOSE TWO. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THE MCALLISTER BUILDING IS AT ABOUT 1 25. 
          AND OUR TALLEST POINT IS AT, UH, 1 31. 
          SO WE'RE VERY MUCH WITHIN THE, UM, THE REALM OF WHAT THE OTHER BUILDINGS ARE. 
          AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOUR OTHER BUILDINGS WITHIN THE SHOPS AREA ITSELF THAT ARE TALLER THAN OUR TALLEST POINT OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT GREAT OR LOBBY THAT DISTRICT, THERE ARE, UM, DOZENS OF BUILDINGS ACTUALLY THAT ARE TALLER THAN OUR BUILDING. 
          AND DAVID, IF YOU COULD, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ON THE VILLE HOUSE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE, UM, NEW ADDITION TO THE VILLE HOUSE IS ESSENTIALLY A KIND OF A SCALED UP VERSION OF THE, UM, OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          AND SO IT, IT'S A VERY MODEST, UM, PROFILE AND IT'S REALLY MEANT TO HOUSE, YOU KNOW, A KITCHEN AS WELL AS A BAR SERVING AREA AND ADDITIONAL SEATING AND RESTROOMS. UM, FOR THE, THE MILL HOUSE DINING AREA ON THAT CHAIN. 
          ELEVATION WISE, WE TRIED TO KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE, UM, WITH A, A PLASTER FINISH ON EXTERIOR WALLS, UH, STANDING SEA METAL ROOF TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE INTRODUCING SOME SPANISH MOSAIC TILE, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE BELOW THE WINDOWS, UH, TO KIND OF, UH, HINT AT THE, YOU KNOW, SPANISH THEME THAT, UM, THE RESTAURANT WILL HAVE. 
          AND THEN THE SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THE NEW ADDITION ON THE LEFT, UH, INTERSECTS WITH THE, UH, THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          AND SO WE'VE GOT A, A FLAT ROOF, UH, CONNECTION THERE. 
          UM, SO THAT THE TWO MAIN MASSES DON'T, UH, INTERSECT, UM, QUITE AS, UH, DRASTICALLY. 
          BUT THIS FACADE WILL BE KIND OF HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC VIEW. 
          'CAUSE IT'LL BE WITHIN A UTILITY YARD. 
          UM, SO YOU WON'T, DON'T SEE TOO MUCH, UM, OF THIS FACADE FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          AND THEN THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE FRONT OF THE WHEELHOUSE, UM, REALLY, UM, JUST, UH, REFRESHENING OF THE FACADE AND, UM, PAINTING AND, UM, NOT A, NOT A WHOLE TOO MANY CHANGES THERE. 
          THAT MAY BE IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS WAS PULLED OFF FOR, UM, QUESTION COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, IT, WITH 
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RESPECT TO THE, WELL, WELL, FIRST THE POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          WE HAVE NOT HEARD A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. YES, SIR. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR TO, UH, UH, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND MOTION? I SECOND NOW HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, YOU KNOW, IN IN SPIRIT, THE, THE PROJECT IS REALLY, UH, SPEAKING OF GOOD VOCABULARY, UM, I DO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S KIND OF, KIND OF SILLY TO, YOU KNOW, PICK ON THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE THINGS, RIGHT? BUT, UM, I, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT IS THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE ON THAT WEST ELEVATION OF THE, UM, OF THE SPANISH MEXICAN BUILDING. 
          YES. 
          W WHAT WHAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THAT AND WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT? RIGHT. 
          SO, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT SITE PLAN UP THERE. 
          UM, SO PREVIOUSLY, BEFORE JUST DEMOLITION BEGAN ON, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE AT MAVERICK PLAZA, UH, WE HAD THAT SEVEN OR EIGHT FOOT LIMESTONE WALL. 
          UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. 
          AND SO WHAT IS NOW GONNA REPLACE THAT IS OUR ELEVATIONS OF, OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY HERE TALKING ABOUT THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT AND NOT THE RESTAURANT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY COME, UH, NEXT TO THAT, TO THE WEST OF IT. 
          UM, SO CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, OR WELL, WHEN THAT BUILDING IS THERE, THERE WILL NOT BE ANY TYPE OF, UM, ACCESS FROM NUEVA STREET TO THE PLAZA. 
          UM, IT'S STILL THE INTENT THAT THAT BUILDING WILL COME VERY SOON AFTER THIS BUILDING STARTS CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE, UM, MUCH OF A DROP OFF WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE A, A, A POINT IN TIME WHERE IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BLANK WALL FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE'S NOT CONSTRUCTION. 
          WELL, THE, THE REASON WHY I MAKE THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PLACES THAT, THAT WE'VE LEARNED, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT THE SENATE THAT THE CITY BEHAVES IN PUBLIC EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? UH, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO LIKE THE MARKET SQUARE, THAT, THAT SOME OF THESE ENVIRONMENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING AS JUST KIND OF THE BACK OF SOMETHING IN SAN ANTONIO ALWAYS EVOLVE TO BEING SOMETHING IN THE SENSE THAT YOUR ELEVATIONS ALL SAY SO MUCH, RIGHT? WHETHER IT'S THE HUMBLE, UH, BUILDING OR THE OF BUILDING, OR IT'S THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT. 
          UM, I, I WOULD, UM, UM, RECOMMEND OR, OR REALLY SAY THAT, THAT IT'S INCUMBENT RIGHT ON THE DESIGN NOT TO SEE THAT NORTH FACADE AS, UH, AS, AS A SIDE TO SAY THAT IT'S THE BACK, RIGHT? UH, WHETHER THAT IS, THAT IT'S STILL A FLAT WALL, UH, OR THAT IT'S STILL A BLACK WALL, BUT THAT BRINGS IN RELIEF ELEMENTS THAT TAKE ELEMENTS FROM THE OTHER SIDES OF YOUR BUILDING, SO THAT IF THAT INDEED EVOLVES TO A PASSAGE SPACE BETWEEN LEVA STREET AND THE INTERIOR, THAT THAT EXPERIENCE IS CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE MORE, UM, LET'S SAY POETIC EXPERIENCES WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE EXISTING, UM, UH, UH, LA VITA. 
          LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE REAR OF THE CHURCH, RIGHT? WHERE THEY'RE OSA IT'S JUST THIS BEAUTIFUL SPACE. 
          SO, SO THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE A, A SPACE THAT AT SOME POINT IS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, FEEL UNSAFE, BUT THAT, THAT THROUGH DOWN LIGHTING OR THROUGH SOME, UM, HIDING OF THE, OF THE, OF YOUR, OF YOUR, UM, OF YOUR DOWNSPOUTS, BUT MOST DEFINITELY THAT, UH, IT, THAT, THAT FACADE IS SEEN AS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE OTHER FACADES, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH BREAKING IT UP SOMEHOW IN AND OUT. 
          UM, SO IF I HAD A STIPULATION, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE ASK, UM, YOU, YOU TO CONSIDER. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HAD ORDER, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, THE MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE, ON THE FLOOR TO INCLUDE STAFF STIPULATIONS, PARTICULARLY SINCE THIS IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND I DON'T THINK THE STIPULATIONS ARE BEING OBJECTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, I'D ACCEPT THAT, THAT FOR AMENDMENT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ON MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CLARIFICATION FOR LEGAL. 
          DO, DOES THE, DOES THE ACCEPTING OF THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT COME BEFORE THE SECOND, OR DOES THE SECOND ACTUALLY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED? THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          THERE'S BEEN AN AMENDMENT TO THE 
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ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          THE MOTION HAS BEEN SECOND. 
          NOW, DISCUSSION MAY BE HAD ON THE SECOND MOTION. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE IT'S BEING PRESENTED AS AN AS, UH, A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          WE HAVE A, WE HAD A WORK SESSION, WE EXPLAINED ALL THIS. 
          WELL, THAT DOES THAT, DOES IT MATTER THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN A MEETING AND I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION? YES. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY, HEY, YOU MISSED THE MEETING COMING, COME ON THE PROCEDURE. 
          THE PROCEDURE. 
          IT'S A REASONABLE QUESTION. 
          THE PROCEDURE IS A QUESTION TOO, THEY WANNA KNOW AS WELL. 
          THE PROCEDURE IS, WE HEAR THE PRESENTATION, A MOTION IS MADE BY ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT IS SECONDED. 
          WE HAVE DISCUSSION IF, IF A COMMISSIONER MAKES ANY, UH, AMENDED MOTION. 
          CAN WE ASK FOR A MO A SECOND ON THAT? WE DISCUSS THE AMENDMENT, THEN WE VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          IF IT SUPERSEDES THE FIRST MOTION, THEN WE PROCEED ONTO THE NEXT CASE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IF THE AMEND, IF THE AMENDED MOTION FAILS, THEN WE GO BACK, THEN WE PROCEED TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR A CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 
          WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A, AN OFFER OF AN, UH, OF AMENDMENT TO MY AMENDMENT. 
          IT WASN'T A MOTION FOR AN AMENDMENT. 
          Y'ALL AREN'T LISTENING. 
          YOU NEED TO LISTEN AND THEN REACT. 
          YOU'RE REACTING. 
          YOU NEED TO JUST LISTEN. 
          IN WHICH CASE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL AND IT IS A CHANGE TO OUR NORMAL PROCESS. 
          RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, SO IF IT IS A, IF IT IS A REQUEST OF A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN SOMEONE MAKING A MOTION TO MAKE AN, UH, AN AMENDMENT? THERE, THERE, THERE IS ON THIS THING, ONE THING, THERE IS NO ROBERT'S RULES. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND, RECOGNIZE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          WE, UH, THERE WAS A MOTION THAT WAS AMENDED. 
          IF YOU CAN WANNA CONSIDER THE SECOND THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, OR YOUR POINT AS A SECOND, THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED. 
          THE CHAIR HAS THE FLOOR AND THE CHAIR WILL DECIDE WHO SPEAKS NEXT. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT YES, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          TO, TO BE CLEAR, IT WAS JUST AN AMENDMENT. 
          I, I, I THINK WE WERE, UH, CLEARED UP IN OUR PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING, UM, DURING THE WORK SESSION ABOUT THE, THE TERM FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. 
          WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT I THINK WHEN, UM, IT WAS EXPEDIENT FOR THE DISCUSSION, UH, PARTICULARLY WHEN STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE IMMINENTLY REASONABLE. 
          AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ON THE, UM, THE CONSENT AGENDA ORIGINALLY BEF BEFORE BEING PULLED. 
          I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. 
          I'VE ATTENDED A D R C. 
          I THINK THAT THE PROJECT HAS GONE THROUGH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, QUITE A HISTORY. 
          AND, UH, THE TEAM HAS, HAS MADE MODIFICATIONS AND WORKED WITH, UH, STAFF AND, AND THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. 
          I'M MERELY JUST KIND OF SAYING, I THINK THESE, UH, THESE, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE, ARE REASONABLE AND OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE AMENDMENT. 
          AND I WAS ACCEPTING THAT MR. CARPENTER, I WAS ONLY ADDING THAT. 
          I, AS I, AS I MENTIONED TO THE APPLICANT, I WOULD ASK POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. 
          POINT OF ORDER. 
          YES. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, YOU STILL NEED A SECOND, RIGHT? WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE EXPRESSION OF SOME OF THE MATERIALITY AND THAT THE, HOW THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, CORNICE IS RESOLVED. 
          BUT I DO SUPPORT, UM, THE MOTION AND I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL AND REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND AS THE PROJECT PROCEEDS FURTHER INTO DESIGN, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK TO A D R C IF THEY SO DESIRE TO GET, UH, MORE IN DEPTH, UH, COMMENTS. 
          SO I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, THERE IS AN UNRESOLVED ISSUE IN, IN THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WAS ACCEPTED. 
          I WANTED TO ADD THE STIPULATION THAT THE WEST ELEVATION IS, IS, IS CONSIDERED MORE FURTHER DESIGN DEVELOPMENT MOTION SAYS APPROVAL WITH 
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STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I WANTED TO ADD THAT TO MY MOTION. 
          WELL, WE ARE, WE'RE CONSIDERING THE MOTION, MR. CHAIR, THAT WAS TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER FISH SECONDED THAT MOTION. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU, BUT Y'ALL INTERRUPTED THAT I WAS PUTTING THAT IN THE MOTION. 
          YOU INTERRUPTED IT. 
          I WAS PUTTING YOU IN THE MOTION IN THE PROPER SPACE BEFORE THE SECOND MR. MR. VELAZQUEZ, YOU HAD NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR WHEN YOU INTERRUPT IT. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I WAS STILL IN THE SAME PROCESS, SO I WAS ALREADY GIVEN THE FLOOR POINT OF ORDER. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          LET'S PROCEED WITH THE ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP, I MEAN GROUP IS ABSENT. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          AGENDA ITEM EIGHT IS, UH, 2023 WEST SATCH, WHICH WAS PULLED FROM CONSENT. 
          AND THE APPLICANTS ARE WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          SO I THINK I HAVE THE PROJECT TEAM. 
          YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELVES, UM, WHO, WHO'S GONNA BE SPEAKING AND I'LL MAKE SURE YOU'RE HERE. 
          I'LL BE SPEAKING. 
          OKAY. 
          JODY . 
          PERFECT. 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          I WILL ALSO PROBABLY BE, UH, SPEAKING AS WELL, MR. VWER. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND, UH, SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PUT FORWARD. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN. 
          UM, WE HAVE, SINCE WE SAW YOU LAST IN JUNE, HAVE GONE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD FOR OUR ELEVATION AND LOOKED AT OUR PROPORTIONS AND ALSO AT OUR WINDOW TREATMENT. 
          UM, WE HAVE ADJUSTED THE ELEVATION TO HAVE THE MILLIONS AND MUS THAT LINE ALIGN WITH THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. 
          AND WE HAVE ALSO ADJUSTED THE GRADE TO, UM, PROVIDE A BASE ON THE BUILDING ON THE NEW ADDITION. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT THESE ELEVATIONS ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          IN RESPONSE TO THE, UM, CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE DID PROVIDE THE HEIGHT INFORMATION. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, PAGE 25 AND 26, THE HEIGHTS ARE ALL LISTED, UM, ON THIS PAGE, SPECIFICALLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ELEVATIONS. 
          UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE MULBERRY SIDE, THE NORTH ELEVATION, AND YOU CAN FLIP BACK TO PAGE 24 IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          UM, WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HOPE THAT WE HAVE IMPROVED, IMPROVED THIS ELEVATION. 
          IF ANYONE HAS SEEN THIS, UM, THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THERE IS A RA RATHER LARGE CENTRAL PLANT THAT IS STREET FRONT AND THAT IS BEING REMOVED AND PUSHED BACK TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE THERE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE. 
          SO, UH, NO LONGER BLOCKING THE SCHOOL FROM THE STREET. 
          THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT LANDSCAPING. 
          UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO FLIP FOR ME TO PAGE 29, YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE MULBERRY SIDE THERE IS A VERY HEFTY UTILITY EASEMENT. 
          UM, THERE IS RIGHT NOW A SMALL RETAINING LANDSCAPE WALL THAT IS HISTORIC THAT WE ARE KEEPING, BUT ADDING TREES, UM, TO THIS EASEMENT WE FEEL MIGHT BE IN CONFLICT WITH THE CITY AND THEIR ACCESS TO THOSE UTILITIES. 
          UH, THIS IS THE ONLY SIDE OF THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE FOR PARKING AND QUEUING TO GET CARS OFF OF THE ADJACENT STREETS, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN THAT SOUTH ELEVATION, THAT HISTORIC ELEVATION, WE ARE FORCED TO PUSH ALL OF OUR PARKING 
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AND DRIVE TO THIS SIDE. 
          SO, UM, THAT LIMITS OUR SPACE FOR LANDSCAPE. 
          OF COURSE, WE DID LOOK AT SWAPPING THE PARKING SPACES TO, UM, FACE INWARD TO THE SOUTH, TO THE SOUTH. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THAT THEN CHANGES OUR CURB CUT OFF OF CANMAN AND IT MAKES IT UNUSABLE. 
          AND THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF CANMAN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND INTO THE QUEUING LINE. 
          AND SO, UM, WE DID EXAMINE ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS THE REAL ESTATE, WE SORT OF HAVE LEFT FOR PARKING AND DRIVE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          I KNOW THERE ARE NO WALL SECTIONS IN THIS, UM, SUBMISSION AS WE'RE STILL IN DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE IS RELIEF AT THE WINDOWS. 
          UH, THE BASE DOES PROTRUDE AND THE WINDOWS WILL BE SET BACK ALONG WITH THE VERTICAL DETAILING, UM, THAT'S SHOWN ON THOSE ELEVATIONS. 
          ELEVATIONS. 
          DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO 24? IT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR PREVIOUS SUBMISSION AS WELL. 
          WE PROVIDED, UH, RENDERINGS AND THOSE RENDERINGS SHOWED SOME OF THAT RELIEF THAT WILL BE, UH, INVOLVED WITH THE STUCCO. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED US TO ADDRESS. 
          I WILL SAY WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE EXISTING GYM THAT WE ARE DEMOLISHING AND PAID ATTENTION TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD IN JUNE ABOUT ITS HISTORIC CONTEXT. 
          SO WE DID INCLUDE SOME EXAMPLES OF, UM, GRAPHICS THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE TO RECOGNIZE THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT GYM AS THE COMMISSIONER REQUESTED. 
          SO YEAH, THIS IS A PREVIOUS PROJECT THAT WE DID AND THEN WE USED, UH, THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FROM THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT. 
          AND, UM, SO WE SUPPLIED THIS PHOTO OF, UH, A POSSIBILITY OF WHAT WE CAN DO AND THEN ALSO SOME OF THE EXISTING DOCUMENTS FROM THE EX ORIGINAL DRAWINGS OF THAT GYMNASIUM. 
          UH, WE THINK THAT, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING VERY NICE WITH SOME OF THESE DRAWINGS. 
          THEY'RE NICE HAND, HAND DRAWN DRAWINGS THAT, UH, WOULD LEND THEMSELVES NICELY TO SOME GRAPHICS. 
          AND I BELIEVE WITH THAT, WE CAN OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          I MOVE THAT, UH, THE PROJECT BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE'LL NOW PROCEED WITH DISCUSSION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, NO COMMENTS. 
          JUST THANKING THE, UH, THE, UH, PROJECT MANAGERS FOR THEIR WORK AND, AND THEIR EFFORT ON THIS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I HAVE NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, JUST, UM, CONGRATULATIONS FOR ONE BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S REPRESENTATIVE ANTICIPATED MOST OF MY COMMENTS. 
          MY CONCERN WAS THE PACKAGE DID NOT HAVE A WALL SECTION, UH, AT THE WINDOWS TO SHOW THAT RELATIVE SETBACK. 
          UM, AND, UH, ALSO THE, THE THOUGHT ABOUT FLIPPING THE, THE PARKING INBOARD ON THAT NORTH SIDE, UH, YOU MAKE THE GOOD POINT ABOUT THE, THE ENCAMPMENT, UH, CURB CUT. 
          BUT I WONDER IF THERE IS THE ABILITY TO STILL ACHIEVE THE CURB CUT WHERE YOU HAVE IT, AND GIVE UP A FEW PARKING SPACES FOR THE, THE, UH, THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY TO, TO TURN THAT PARKING INBOARD RATHER THAN OUTBOARD AND, AND ALLOW YOU TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A, A, A MORE CONSISTENT, UH, LANDSCAPING EDGE AT THE PERIMETER OF THE, OF THE CAMPUS. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW PUSHED YOU ARE ON, ON YOUR REQUIRED PARKING, UH, COUNT IF THAT IS AT ALL FEASIBLE OR NOT. 
          WE ARE PRETTY PUSHED ON THE COUNT, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THAT'S AN OPTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IN GENERAL THOUGH, I, I THINK IT'S, THE PROJECT'S MUCH IMPROVED. 
          IT'S BENEFITED FROM THE, UH, THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND, AND I THINK, UM, UH, FOR ME, PARTICULARLY THE, THE MANIPULATION TO GRADE TO GIVE THIS, UH, THE ADDITION KIND OF THE SAME PROMINENCE AND KIND OF A, A RAISED PODIUM FEELING AS, AS THE HISTORIC BUILDING, I THINK IS A, 
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A REALLY GOOD MOVE. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN IN SUPPORT OF THE OVERALL PLANNING OF THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, AND I'M, I'M GETTING SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THE, UH, THE RESOLUTION FOR YOUR, YOUR ELEVATION. 
          SO I COMMEND YOU ON THE, YOU KNOW, PERSEVERANCE AND CONTINUING TO, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PERFECT THE, THE DESIGN THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
          I THINK THE, IF THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS IF, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT PARKING IN BOARD, UH, IT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER, UH, YOU KNOW, WAY TO, TO, UH, INTERFACE WITH THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON, PARTICULARLY ON THE MULBERRY SIDE. 
          I THINK THERE'S AT ALL ANY FEASIBILITY FOR THAT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD, UM, ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANTS AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE, ALL THE PARENTS AND STUDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR, UM, CHALLENGING THIS PROJECT. 
          AND COMING UP, I THINK, UM, SOLVES THE PROGRAMMATIC ISSUES AS WELL AS HONORING THE HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 87 13 0 5 EAST HOUSTON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, MODIFY THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE MERCHANT'S ICE AND COLD STORAGE BUILDING. 
          TWO, CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE NORTH ELEVATION, INCLUDING PERFORATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          THREE. 
          INSTALL A ROOFTOP TERRACE AND FOUR, COMPLETE LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS. 
          RECOMMENDATION ITEM ONE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT ANY EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND DOORS ARE REPAIRED IN LIEU OF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS I AND J. 
          ANY WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT MAY BE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR WILL BE, WILL REQUIRE CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT BY STAFF AND ADDITIONAL H D R C REVIEW TO DETERMINE IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD WINDOWS WITH A ONE OVER ONE SLASH CONFIGURATION IN ALL OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          BASED ON FINDING I THE WINDOWS MUST MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          THREE. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES AN ALTERNATE GLAZING MATERIAL THAT RELATES TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING, INCLUDING DIVIDED LIGHT CONFIGURATIONS FOR WINDOWS WHERE APPROPRIATE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED WINDOW AND DOOR SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDINGS I AND J FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWING FOR THE SOUTH ELEVATION, SHOWING THE FULL EXTENT OF THE EXISTING GHOST SIGNAGE TO BE RETAINED BASED ON FINDING D. 
          ITEM TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE NORTH ELEVATION EDITION BASED ON FINDING K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DETAILED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ROOFTOP TERRACE BASED ON FINDING L UH, WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DETAILED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE ROOFTOP TERRACE, ADDITIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          AND TWO, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS SCREENED AND SET BACK ON THE ROOF TO AVOID VIEW FROM PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BASED ON FINDING O AND ITEM FOUR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE HARDSCAPING AND LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UM, AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANTS HAVE CONSENTED TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM ONE, STIPULATION TWO FOR THE INSTALLATION OF FULLY WOOD WINDOWS WITH THE ONE OVER ONE SLASH CONFIGURATION AND ALL OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. 
          AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THAT REQUEST. 
          TODAY THE APPLICANT'S ANDREW DOUGLAS AND JEREMY JARAMILLO ARE WITH US IN PERSON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I'M JEREMY JARAMILLO WITH DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS ALONGSIDE ANDREW DOUGLAS. 
          UH, THIS IS A REHABILITATION AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OF AN EARLY 19 HUNDREDS BUILDING SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE CALLING BUILDING D, WHICH YOU GUYS HIGHLIGHTED. 
          THAT IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND THE 
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BUILDING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. 
          UH, THE FOUR OTHER BUILDINGS WITHIN THIS MERCHANT'S ICE BUILDING IS, UH, WAS BUILT, UH, AFTER THAT AND IS NOT CONSIDERED HISTORIC. 
          UM, THIS PROJECT ITSELF IS PHASE FOUR OF THE MERCHANT SIZE COMPLEX REDEVELOPMENT, AND PART OF THAT IS CONSIDERATION OF HISTORIC TAX CREDITS BEING REVIEWED BY T H C AND P SS. 
          AND SO IN CHALLENGING ITEM ONE, STIPULATION TWO, PART OF THEIR REQUEST WAS TO HAVE ANY NEW FENESTRATION, ANY NEW WINDOWS BE AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, UH, NOT TO OR SPECIFICALLY TO DELINEATE FROM OR DIFFERENTIATE FROM THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. 
          AND THEY ASKED FOR THE NEW WINDOWS NOT TO BE ARCHED. 
          AND THEN ALSO IN OUR DESIGN, WE ARE MATCHING ALL THE WINDOWS FROM THE PREVIOUS PHASES WITH THOSE NEW SIMPLE STOREFRONT OR CURTAIN WALL. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS, WE ARE WORKING WITH ANNE MCLOAN ON FINDING A HISTORIC WINDOW REFURBISHING COMPANY. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE PLANNING ON REFURBISHING OR REBUILDING THOSE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT ITEM ONE, TWO. 
          I'LL SECOND MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          WE'LL NOW HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST POINT OUT TO US WHERE, WHERE THE, THE NEW WINDOWS ARE, ARE THAT WE'RE REALLY DISCUSSING FOR THE, UH, YES. 
          SO THEY'LL BE THE SOUTH FACADE. 
          ALL, ALL OF THESE ON THE SOUTH FACADE, JUST THE ONES ON BUILDING ONE B. 
          SO TO THE EAST. 
          YES. 
          THOSE, THOSE ARE NEW OPENINGS. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UH, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS STATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT THAT, UH, UH, TO MENTION TO THE, UH, DESIGN, UH, TEAM THAT, YOU KNOW, TO COMMIT THEM ON THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING TO ADAPT A BUILDING LIKE THIS WITHOUT FENESTRATION, AND I THINK THEY HAVE COME UP WITH A VERY, UH, SENSITIVE SOLUTION THAT RECALLS THE PATTERNING OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS, HOW THEY WOULD BE GAINED OR PAIRED, UM, WITHOUT, UH, BLURRING THE LINES AS TO WHAT, UM, IS OLD AND NEW. 
          AND I THINK, UH, T H C RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THESE BE SQUARE, TOP AND KNOCK, UH, UH, CURVED AT, AT THE TOP OR ARCHED AT THE TOP IS, IS A GOOD SUGGESTION TO, TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT DELINEATION. 
          UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB HERE AND I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I ALSO, UM, WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          I THINK THE, UH, PROJECT IS, UM, THE DESIGN IS WELL VERY SENSITIVE TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UH, ONE QUESTION. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME NATIONAL PARK SERVICE COMMENTS IN OUR PACKET THAT TALKS ABOUT SOME WINDOWS BEING, UH, APPROVED AND SOME NOT BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. 
          ARE Y'ALL, UM, CONCURRING WITH THE, WHAT THEIR COMMENTS ARE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN YOUR TAX CREDITS? YES. 
          WE SENT THEM A REVISED PACKAGE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THOSE WINDOWS THAT THEY ASKED. 
          ORIGINALLY WE HAD WINDOWS IN THE WEST FACADE OF BUILDING D AND WE GOT RID OF THOSE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S, UM, TO APPROVE HIS STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT FOR ITEM ONE, ITEM ONE DASH TWO, WHICH HE WAS CONTESTING, I BELIEVE HE WAS CONTESTING ONE DASH TWO. 
          YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          ALRIGHT, GIBBS, AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 13. 
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UM, SO AMY'S GONNA READ THIS CASE INTO THE RECORD. 
          UM, WE HAVE APPLICANT'S VIRTUALLY WHO I AM MAKING PANELISTS NOW, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE WHO WILL FOLLOW PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT'S. 
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SO THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE 2021 DASH 3 34, ADDRESS, 5 0 3 URBAN LOOP. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. 
          RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GIVEN THAT THE COMPLETE LOSS OF THE STRUCTURE IN QUESTION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. 
          STAFF AGREES THAT 5 0 3 URBAN LOOP REMAINS A SITE WITH POTENTIAL ARCHEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE AS IDENTIFIED IN FINDINGS E THROUGH H. 
          IN LIGHT OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ABOVE GROUND RESOURCES, STAFF RECOMMENDS MITIGATION ACTIONS IN LIEU OF A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. 
          THESE ACTIONS COULD INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO ONE, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION AND REPORT OF THE FULL PARCEL. 
          TWO, A RECOVERY AND DONATION OF ANY REMAINING MATERIALS AND NEWLY DISCOVERED ARTIFACTS TO THE ARCHEOLOGICAL COLLECTION OF A LOCAL ARCHIVE. 
          THREE, FUNDING FOR RESEARCH PUBLICATION AND A PERMANENT EXHIBITION AT THE MUSE DEL WEST SIDE REGARDING SAN ANTONIO'S SPORTING DISTRICT AND THE CARMELITE SISTERS, AS WELL AS OTHER AREAS IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICANTS AS DESERVING OF ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION. 
          AND FOUR, A PERMANENT ONSITE INTERPRETATION VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, RESULTING FROM A NOMINATION TO THE HISTORY HERE, LOCAL MARKERS PROGRAM. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT. 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR BACKGROUND, AND I THINK ALL OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS REQUEST, UM, THERE WAS A FINDING APPROVED FOR THIS PROPERTY, UM, LAST YEAR, UM, IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A FIRE. 
          AND SO THE, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN FULLY DEMOLISHED, , UM, AND IS NO LONGER THERE. 
          UM, SO GIVEN THE CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES, WE BELIEVE THE BEST NEXT STEP WAS FOR, UM, KIND OF CLOSURE AT THIS COMMISSION, UM, AND RECOMMEND THE STEPS FORWARD. 
          AND SO THERE IS PROPOSED MITIGATION, UM, IN LIEU OF A FINDING, UM, OR DESIGNATION OF THE SITE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT. 
          VINCE, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS VINCE MICHAEL FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, WE OF COURSE PROPOSED THIS TOGETHER WITH OUR ALLIES AT ESPERANCE PEACE AND JUSTICE ALLIANCE AND WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE WHEN THERE WAS STILL A BUILDING THERE. 
          UM, WE WERE OF COURSE, UH, WE HAD BEEN WORKING WITH THE OWNERS TO, UH, COME UP WITH DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE PROPOSED TODAY IN TERMS OF INDICATION, SPECIFICALLY INTERPRETATION OF THE SITE. 
          FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND OUR PARTNERS, WHAT'S BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT THIS STUDY CONTAINS AND CONTINUES TO CONTAIN IN AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SENSE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT REMNANTS OF THE  NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, THE BUILDING THAT BURNED WAS ONE OF, UH, MORE THAN A DOZEN ACTUALLY, ON THE PARCELS ON THE SITE. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF AT LEAST 10 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT EXISTED OUTSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDINGS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE, THERE WERE ABOUT FIVE ALONG THE, UH, ALLEY THAT CALLED NEW MEXICO ALLEY, AND THERE WERE THREE MORE, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE, UM, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE  BROTHEL AND LATER THE, UH, CIAN ORPHANAGE. 
          AND, UH, CONSEQUENTLY, UH, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL POTENTIAL OF FINDINGS SITES IN TRASH HEAPS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, UH, THROUGHOUT THIS SITE IS EXTREMELY RICH AND WOULD CONNECT US TO THE NEAR WEST SIDE, MEXICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD OF LATO, WHICH HAS VERY FEW REMNANTS OUTSIDE OF CUSTOM OF OURS. 
          SO, UM, WE FEEL THAT IN THIS, UH, HISTORY OF THE SITE, IT STILL NEEDS TO BE INTERIOR 1 3 11 AND 14. 
          AND, UH, BETWEEN 1896 AND 1960, THERE WERE 14 FREE STREAMING STRUCTURES ON THE SITE, AND THEY REALLY REPRESENTED A LOT HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NOT ONLY THE HISTORY WE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE, UM, UH, OF THE CIAN SISTERS, 
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THE ORPHANAGE, THE LATER, THE DAYCARE LATER BOYSTOWN CONNECTION TO  NOT FAR AWAY. 
          UM, SO WE FEEL THAT THE, IT STILL MAINTAINS THAT SIGNIFICANCE AND ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS A NECESSARY STIPULATION, UM, AND INTERPRETATION OF THE SITE IS EVEN MORE NECESSARY. 
          'CAUSE AS I SAY, OUTSIDE THE HOUSE OF NAVARRO, WE HAVE ALMOST NO REMNANT TO THIS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PART OF SAN ANTONIO'S HISTORY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE. 
          WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM THAT WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I, I KNOW GRACIE IS HERE. 
          I MAYBE, OH, NOT ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          IS I GOTTA HOLD IT DOWN TO, OKAY. 
          NO, JUST PRESS IT ONCE. 
          OKAY. 
          DID EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, JAMES MCKNIGHT, 1 1 2 EAST PECAN. 
          I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER. 
          AND, UM, JUST AS BEFORE, WE CONTINUE TO, UH, OPPOSE THE DESIGNATION OF THE SITE AS HISTORIC. 
          UM, HOWEVER WE DO, UH, NOW LISTENING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS ABOUT THESE MITIGATION MEASURES, WE DO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST FOR, UH, ITEMS, UH, THE MITIGATION MEASURES ONE, TWO, AND FOUR. 
          THAT IS AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY OF THE SITE AND DONATION IN ANY OF THE MATERIALS FOUND TO SOME SORT OF, UM, ARCHIVE. 
          AND THEN, UH, UH, PARTICIPATION IN THE HISTORY HERE MARKERS PROGRAM. 
          WE FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT THIS SITE WE DO AGREE WITH. 
          UM, AND I, I SAID THIS THE FIRST TIME TOO, THAT THAT PART OF SAN ANTONIO'S STORY WAS HERE ON THIS SITE. 
          AND WE WANTED, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH TELLING THAT STORY. 
          WE DIDN'T FEEL IT NEEDED TO BE TOLD ARCHITECTURALLY DURING THE DISCUSSION THE FIRST TIME. 
          IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THE, THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE SITE AND THE PHYSICAL TIE THAT IT HAD TO THE  NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT AREA, AND THAT'S NO LONGER THERE. 
          UM, BUT THE STORY CAN STILL BE TOLD, AND THE VALUE AT THIS TIME IS REALLY IN ITS ARCHEOLOGICAL VALUE. 
          UM, I THINK STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT WE AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          SO WE ARE AGAIN, AGREEING TO STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR AS SUGGESTED. 
          AND THIS WAS, THAT WAS A LIST THAT THAT COULD INCLUDE. 
          SO WE'RE CHOOSING, I GUESS, TO SAY THAT ONE, TWO, AND FOUR ARE WITHIN WHAT WE BELIEVE IS, UM, OF VALUE ON THIS SITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF BEFORE I PRESENT A MOTION. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT MY ORDER HERE? OKAY. 
          UH, FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, YOU SAID FUNDING FOR RESEARCH, PUBLICATION AND PERMANENT EXHIBIT. 
          ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, UH, WHEN YOU MAKE THAT STIPULATION ON NUMBER THREE, IS THAT FUNDING FROM THE OWNER, FUNDING FROM THE CITY, FUNDING FROM THE STATE? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE? THIS WOULD BE A POTENTIAL REQUIREMENT FROM THE OWNER, UM, IF IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE COMMISSION'S ACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I MOVED TO, UH, ADOPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, CITING, UH, A LOSS OF THE STRUCTURE AND MOVE TO INCLUDE MITIGATION ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WE'LL NOW HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I HAVE A A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ABOUT ITEM NUMBER THREE FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT RATHER THAN THE OWNER. 
          SO, UM, I KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF A, A LIST OF MITIGATION ITEMS THAT WAS LIKELY DISCUSSED, BUT WILL YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT ITEM NUMBER THREE FUNDING FOR RESEARCH PUBLICATION, UH, COULD, WOULD, MIGHT ENTAIL IN, IN YOUR MIND FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW? SO, UM, YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE EARLIER THIS YEAR, THERE WAS A GROUNDBREAKING AT ZEALAND AND THE WEST SIDE. 
          UM, AS THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY HAS ARGUED SINCE THE 1950S, THIS VERY DETAILED NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS TO HAVE, UM, BROADER UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO I THINK NUMBER THREE REALLY ADDRESSES THAT. 
          IT PUTS  WEST SIDE, UH, SIMILAR, UM, SOME PERMANENT RESEARCH, UM, DOCUMENTING SITE, ITS ARCHEOLOGICAL REMNANTS AND ITS REPRESENTATION OF THE LARGER, LARGELY LOST COMMUNITY. 
          UH, SO I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WOULD, UH, WANT ALL THE STIPULATIONS INCLUDED. 
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UNDERSTOOD. 
          I THINK THAT ONE STANDS OUT TO ME IS A LITTLE BIT PRECARIOUS AS A MITIGATION EFFORT CONNECTED TO THE PROPERTY AND THE OWNER. 
          SO I'M, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT ITEM NUMBER THREE, BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME OTHER OPINIONS UP HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO MAKE A AMENDMENT? YES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN APP AMENDMENT TO, IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER ITEM TWO TO READ RECOVERY AND DONATION OF ANY REMAINING MATERIALS, NEWLY DISCOVERED ARTIFACTS TO THE ARCHEOLOGICAL COLLECTION OF A LOCAL ARCHIVE THAT OFFERS PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY AND USE, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR MOTION? UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO ADDING TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE WORDS AN ARCH LO A LOCAL ARCHIVE THAT OFFERS PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY AND USE. 
          THE INTENTION IS THAT ANY ARCHEOLOGICAL FINES NOT END UP IN SOMEONE'S CLOSET. 
          THE RESEARCH, FURTHER RESEARCH IS, IS IMPERATIVE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          SO DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING PROCEDURALLY FROM THE AMENDMENT STANDPOINT. 
          SO THEN THAT MEANS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR AMENDMENT IS TO APPROVE ONE WITH STATUTES OF RELATIONS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR WITH THE WORDING ADDED TO NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, I'M SORRY, I WASN'T CLEAR. 
          ONE, TWO WITH THE UPDATED TWO. 
          AND NUMBER FOUR, IF COMMISSIONER FISH IS AMENABLE TO THAT, HE CAN JUST AMEND HIS INITIAL MOTION. 
          AS LONG AS IT GETS A SECOND, WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UH, I, I'D LIKE MR. CHAIR WITH YOUR PERMISSION, JUST A MOMENT THAT'S INDIRECT. 
          THE PROBLEM WE HAD EARLIER. 
          NO POINT OF ORDER. 
          POINT OF ORDER. 
          YES, ALMA, I'M SORRY, LET ME CLARIFY. 
          WHAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND, UM, MADE A MOTION TO AMEND AND ADOPT WITH, UM, ITEM ONE, TWO, AND FOUR AND CLARIFIED FLOOR FOUR AND COMMISSIONER FISH SECOND. 
          THAT MOTION CLARIFY NUMBER TWO, I'M SORRY, CLARIFY NUMBER TWO. 
          YES. 
          SO, MR. CERVANTES, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR CURRENTLY IS A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ITEM WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, UH, SPECIFIED BY COMMISSIONER SAVINO TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC ACCESSIBILITY AND USE OF, OF THE LOCAL ARCHIVE OF MATERIALS AND, UM, STIPULATION FOR OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PROCEDURALLY WE'RE, I GUESS WE HAVE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND RESTATE FROM THE BEGINNING EACH OF THE STIPULATIONS WITH WHATEVER AMENDMENT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ AYE, UH, WE'RE IN DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO QUESTION OR ADD? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS, UH, PUT FORTH BY, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          I, I DO QUESTION, UM, SORT OF THE LEGALITY OR THE, UM, THE ENFORCEABILITY OF ITEM THREE HERE IN THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, SHORT OF US NOT BEING THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, I DON'T SEE HOW THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO COULD, UH, IMPOSE THAT UPON THE OWNER, BUT I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE, THAT THAT SEEMED A LITTLE OUT LINE. 
          SO I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, OF THESE, WHAT I SAW AS SUGGESTIONS FOR, UH, WAYS OF MITIGATING THIS. 
          I THINK ULTIMATELY T H C WILL HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON, ON WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER MITIGATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS AND LEAVES ACT. 
          SO, UH, BUT AS, AS WE'RE FRAMING THIS RIGHT NOW, I THINK THESE ARE ARE GOOD SUGGESTIONS AND I, UH, I APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          UH, I WOULD JUST ASK IT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT NUMBER THREE IS A STICKING POINT, UH, WHICH IS NOT ON THE AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, IF, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO LET SOME, YOU KNOW, THE UNIVERSITY COME THROUGH, COMB THROUGH THERE, AS YOU FURTHER, FURTHER MOVE THROUGH THAT, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD APPRECIATE THE, THE CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THAT 
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AND LOOK FOR ARTIFACTS AND, AND PROBABLY HELP, UH, HELP THE COMMUNITY OUT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS COMM CHAIR. 
          I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMM COMMISSIONER FISH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD, UH, AGREE WITH THE, UH, MOTION AND, UH, THANK THE, UM, OWNERS FOR AGREEING TO THESE MITIGATION ITEMS AND TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY AND, UM, OTHER AGENCIES ON, UH, HOW THIS SITE IS FURTHER DEVELOPED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 14. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14 H J R C CASE 2022 DASH 3 0 3 2 2 6 EAST ATCH AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 19 EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          B THROUGH E. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RESTORE THE DETERIORATED WOOD WINDOWS AND PRESERVE ALL ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW OPENINGS. 
          UM, THE CONTRACTOR, RICHARD GARCIA, SHOULD BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          RICHARD, ARE YOU ON? NO, I DON'T SEE HIS NAME. 
          UM, I HAVE A CALL IN USER. 
          I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE. 
          UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS. 
          IT IS. 
          IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO HIT STAR SIX. 
          OH, YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. 
          WHO IS THIS? UH, RICHARD GARCIA. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          SO, YEAH, I, UM, SO I THINK THE, THE LADIES WENT OUT THERE AND DID A REVIEW AT THE PROPERTY, BUT I, I DON'T SEE HOW THOSE WINDOWS CAN BE REBUILT WITH PIECES OF A MISSING AND THEN FRAMES FALLING OFF THE BOTTOM WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE HELD UP. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, FROM A CONTRACTOR STANDPOINT, THEY'RE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO REBUILD THOSE WINDOWS. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT'S HOLDING THE OUTSIDE TOGETHER IS PAINT. 
          I MEAN, THE INSIDES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED, PIECES ARE MISSING. 
          ACTUAL SECTIONS OF THE JAMS AROUND ARE MISSING. 
          UM, I, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM BEING ABLE TO BE REBUILT OR RESTORED. 
          THE LATCHING MECHANISMS DON'T LINE UP ANYMORE BECAUSE THE WINDOWS ARE SO, HOW WOULD YOU SAY, DETERIORATED FROM THE BOTTOMS? UM, SO, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND I, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN BE RESTORED UNLESS YOU JUST REBUILT ALL THE WINDOWS FROM SCRATCH. 
          THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY A NEW WINDOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY, I MEAN, THAT WAS MY COM. 
          THAT WAS MY COM THAT WAS MY COMMENTS. 
          I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO ADD, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE IN SUCH BAD SHAPE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT'S, IT'S UNREALISTIC TO TRY TO REBUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN YOU CAN GET SOMETHING OF BETTER QUALITY THAT LOOKS EXACTLY THE SAME AND PUT IT IN THERE. 
          THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE DON'T KNOW PUBLIC SS? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION IN TERMS OF THE CASE INFORMATION, CAN WE HEAR A D R C REPORT OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK? OKAY, SO WE DO, DO YOU HAVE A D R C REPORT FROM SURE. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES. 
          THIS PAST WEEK, UM, UH, THREE OF US VIEWED, UM, THE PROPERTY FROM THE INSIDE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES WAS IN ATTENDANCE. 
          MS. GARZA FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY WAS IN ATTENDANCE. 
          UM, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GO INTO THREE OF THE FOUR APARTMENTS. 
          THE, UH, ONE APARTMENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR WAS LOCKED, SO WE WERE NOT ABLE TO INSPECT THAT. 
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OVERALL, THE WINDOWS ARE IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. 
          I WOULD SAY THERE ARE MAYBE TWO SASHES, TWO SASHES THAT MAY NEED SOME INTERVENTION ON A LOWER MEMBER, ON A RAIL, LOWER RAIL MEMBER. 
          UH, THERE'S A THIRD WINDOW THAT HAS THE SASH INSTALLED UPSIDE DOWN, WHICH HINDERS ITS OPERABILITY. 
          UM, SOME OF THE HARDWARE STILL THERE. 
          IT ALSO APPEARED THAT SOMEBODY HAS RECENTLY WORKED ON THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THERE WERE NEW, UM, NEW PULLEY, UM, WHITE ROPES IN PLACE, AND THE CAVITIES HAD BEEN CLEANED OUT QUITE A BIT. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IT WAS DIFFICULT TO TELL WHEN THESE WINDOWS HAD BEEN RECENTLY WORKED ON, BUT THOSE WERE DEFINITELY NEW ROPES. 
          SO THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN MUCH WORSE GET REPAIRED. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE HISTORIC PROPERTY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, RESTORING NOT REFURBISH, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN PRESERVATION OF THAT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I MOVED. 
          YES. 
          CAN I MAKE, CAN I MAKE, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON ONE OF THE, UH, STATEMENTS? SO SOMEONE HAD THE, THE OWNER HAD TRIED TO HIRE SOMEONE, THIS IS BEFORE I EVEN GOT THERE, UM, BEFORE, I GUESS IT WAS 2021, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, HE HIRED A GENTLEMAN THAT THOUGHT HE COULD REDO THOSE WINDOWS. 
          AND, UM, HE COULDN'T, HE JUST, HE GAVE UP AND SAID IT WAS JUST TOO MUCH DAMAGE. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST STATING THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST GONNA BE TO REFURBISH OR REHAB THOSE WINDOWS IS JUST GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT. 
          I MEAN, LIKE, ON ONE OF 'EM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PIECES MISSING. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE ONE WHOLE SIDE. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THE WINDOW APART AND TRY TO REFIT ANOTHER PIECE IN THERE. 
          SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS REFURBISHING THE WINDOWS AND PUTTING THEM BACK TOGETHER. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S TOO MANY PARTS MISSING THAT ORIGINAL FROM THE WINDOWS, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ON THE SITE, I WISH I WOULD'VE BEEN THERE. 
          I COULD'VE SHOWED YOU PARTS THAT ARE MISSING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET PARTS THAT CAN BE EASILY REPLACED BECAUSE THEY ARE GONE AND YEAH, THE GUY PUT THE WEIGHTS BACK IN THERE WITH NEW ROPES, BUT THAT'S WHERE HE STARTED LOOKING AT THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE MISSING. 
          YOU KNOW, THE RAILS THAT HOLD THE GLASS IN PLACE. 
          UM, THE BOTTOM SILLS ARE GONE. 
          I MEAN, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE MISSING OFF THESE WINDOWS. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO FABRICATE ALL THAT, ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE WHEN THEY WERE THERE. 
          AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE NEXT UNIT ARE PUT TOGETHER. 
          I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THAT OTHER UNIT THAT'S LOCKED 'CAUSE A, A LADY WHO LIVES THERE NAMED CHRIS. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          LET ME TRY TO GET IT OUT. 
          UM, I, I MOVE TO DENY BASED ON STAFF'S FINDINGS. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ S NO, NO DISCUSSION ON MINE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UH, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN MY, UH, GRATITUDE TO THE COMMISSIONERS WHO WENT CONDUCTED THE SITE VISIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DIFFICULTY THAT COMES WITH REFURBISHING AND RESTORING AN OLD HISTORIC OR VINTAGE PRODUCT. 
          IT IS NOT EASY. 
          IT ENTAILS MUCH MORE WORK, MUCH MORE ATTENTION TO DETAIL, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. 
          WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH A MODERN HOME, WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH CONTEMPORARY WINDOWS. 
          YOU'RE DEALING WITH A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT HAS HISTORIC ERROR, ERROR WINDOWS THAT ARE IN FAIR TO GOOD CONDITION. 
          UM, SO THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF, OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, I, BASED ON THE, UH, THE D R C, THE SITE D R C AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, I DON'T, I CAN'T IDENTIFY ANYTHING THAT'S SPECIFICALLY BEYOND REPAIR, BUT I MIGHT, UH, SUGGEST TO THE APPLICANT HERE THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE ABOUT A CERTAIN WIN CERTAIN WINDOW, 
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OR IF THERE'S A COUPLE OF WINDOWS THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR, NEED TO BE REPLACED IN KIND MEANING IN WOOD. 
          I DO BELIEVE THOSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, UM, IF THEY'RE DEEMED BEYOND REPAIR. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT HERE TODAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL THAT'S BEEN SAID SO FAR THAT THE PHOTOS AND THE, THE, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE'S, UH, REVIEW AND REPORT, UM, I'D BE, UH, CONCURRING WITH THE MOTION. 
          SO, UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 2 93 10 24 NORTH CHERRY. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH A NEW SHINGLE ROOF. 
          TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING HISTORIC FENESTRATION PATTERN ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BY MODIFYING EXISTING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES. 
          WINDOW OPENINGS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED IN SIZE, REMOVED OR INTRODUCED. 
          DOOR OPENINGS HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED AND RELOCATED. 
          THREE, REPLACED THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW ALUMINUM WINDOWS FEATURING PHOTO DIVIDED LIGHTS. 
          FOUR. 
          MODIFY THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO EAVES AND ATTIC VENTS. 
          FIVE. 
          MODIFY THE STRUCTURES PORCH FORM, INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS TO THE PORCH ROOF COLUMNS AND DECK HEIGHT. 
          SIX. 
          REMOVE THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL SIDING AND INSTALL COMPOSITE SIDING WITH THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH AND REMOVE WOOD TRIM AND INSTALL COMPOSITE TRIM WITH FAUX WOOD GRAIN. 
          AND SEVEN, CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 350 SQUARE FEET IN AN OPEN AIR REAR PORCH. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE ROOF REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          UH, ONE THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS BE PRESERVED. 
          TWO, THAT THE FREEZE BOARD BE REINSTALLED AT THE PREVIOUS PROFILE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION PATTERN, INCLUDING BOTH WINDOWS AND DOORS BASED ON FINDING. 
          D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL SIZES, LOCATIONS, AND PROFILES OF ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS BE RESTORED. 
          THREE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          UH, THOSE STIPULATIONS ARE STAFF STANDARDS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF FORMS AND ATTIC VENTS BE REINSTALLED. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE. 
          MODIFICATIONS TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ROOF FORM, EXCUSE ME, PORCH FORM, BASED ON FINDING G. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING PORCH PROFILE BE RECONSTRUCTED BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE. 
          COLUMN SHOULD FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRANSFORMATION SOFFIT DETAILS SHOULD, THIS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS WITH HISTORIC VOTE. 
          VICTORIAN EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, SIDING REPLACEMENT AND TRIM REPLACEMENT WITH COMPOSITE MATERIALS BASED ON FINDING AGE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE FEATURE SIDING AND TRIM WITH A PROFILE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FOLK VICTORIAN EXAMPLES WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SIDING AND TRIM SHOULD BE WOOD STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION, UH, BASED ON FINDINGS ODD THROUGH M. 
          UM, AND THEN IN CONSIDERATION OF TIME, THERE ARE FOUR, UH, COMMENTS THAT STAFF HAS. 
          UH, FOR THE AUDITION. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. JOSEPH MUNOZ IS HERE. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, HE HAS, UH, SUBMITTED REVISED ELEVATION BASED ON THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SITE VISIT, UH, THAT WE HAD ON JUNE THE EIGHTH. 
          UM, AT THAT SITE VISIT, HE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE D R C ABOUT A PATH FORWARD AS IN REGARDS TO COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, I CAN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, THERE ARE NOTES FROM THAT SITE VISIT THAT ARE HERE. 
          WE CAN ALSO TAKE A, UM, AN OVERVIEW OR AN UPDATE OR REPORT FROM COMMISSIONER HERE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, MR. MUNOZ HAS BASICALLY UPDATED THE FRONT FACADE TO TRY TO RETURN THAT TO ITS ORIGINAL PROFILE, UM, BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT HE RECEIVED AT THE, THE D R C SITE VISIT AT THAT TIME. 
          UH, SO MR. MUNOZ IS HERE. 
          I BELIEVE HE HAS ALSO HAS A FEW ADDITIONAL PHOTOS. 
          UM, AND SO I'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE, UM, AS WELL. 
          UH, SO PLEASE, IF THERE ARE, UH, PHOTOS THAT 
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YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ARE IN THE PACKET, I CAN PULL THOSE UP. 
          BUT MR. MUNOZ, THE NEW ELEVATION THAT, UH, FOR THE FRONT, UH, I, I RETURNED OUR WINDOWS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SPACE PLACE. 
          UH, LEMME MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS ON TURN DOOR BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SPOT. 
          UH, THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE, UH, THOSE WINDOWS, UH, Y'ALL ASKED THAT I PUT A A TWO BY EIGHT IN BETWEEN THEM. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT MR. CERVANTES TOLD ME THAT IF I CAN GO BACK AND FIND PHOTOS OF 40 YEARS AGO THAT SHOW THAT THEY WERE NOT ORIGINALLY LIKE THAT, THAT HE WOULD CONSIDER THAT THEY COULD STAY THE SAME WAY THE WAY THEY ARE. 
          UH, MY UNCLE WAS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY HELPED ME WITH ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND HE SAID THAT HE WENT OFF OF BY WHAT HE SAW, WHAT HE REMEMBERED WHEN HE WAS A KID THE WAY IT WAS. 
          SO WHEN THE CITY HELPED MY GRANDMA REMODEL THIS HOUSE 20 YEARS AGO, SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO REMODEL THE HOUSE. 
          THEY ADDED THE, THE, BY THE TWO BY EIGHT, THEY ADDED A DOOR. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE SHOWING THAT THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER DOOR ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SO, UH, PRETTY MUCH MY UNCLE SAID THAT WHEN THE CITY HELPED HER REMODEL HER HOUSE, THEY PUT IN THERE AND PUT WHAT THEY WANTED. 
          SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY. 
          SHE WAS PUSHED IN THE CORNER AND SHE WENT BY WITH EVERYTHING THEY OFFERED HER SINCE THEY WERE THE ONES HELPING HER OUT. 
          UH, THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE ON THIS ONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ALL SIDING ON THAT BACKSIDE WHERE THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER DOOR. 
          UH, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, THE THINGS THAT I CAN AFFORD TO CHANGE BACK TO WHICH YA HAD ASKED ME TO KIND OF FIX. 
          UH, I ADDED THE ONE BY 12 THAT GOES BACK UP ON TOP OF THE PITCH BY THE FASCIA. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, WHAT I CAN TRY TO OFFER AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY VOICEMAILS? UH, THERE'S NO VOICEMAIL, BUT THERE IS, UM, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, LETTER, UM, OR, UH, COMMENTS, UH, IN THE LARGER P D F FROM, UH, NEIGHBORS WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UH, MAY I PASS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU GOT NOTES FROM AT LEAST THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE FOUR THAT WERE THERE. 
          UM, AND THIS IS ALSO FOR YOU, UH, UH, EDWARD, WHAT HAS HE BEEN ABLE TO, TO KNOCK OUT ON, ON THIS LIST HERE? AS FAR AS STAFF STIPULATED? BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S WORKED, HE'S WORKED HARD AND GOT A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS TAKEN CARE OF ALREADY AS BEST AS HE COULD. 
          UH, WELL, UM, BASED ON THE ELEVATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF ARCHITECTURAL TWEAKING WHEN IT COMES TO THE PORCH. 
          UM, BUT BASICALLY, UM, IF, IF I COULD HAVE THE TIME, I COULD, UH, GO DOWN, UM, STAFF'S REQUEST ITEMS, PLEASE. 
          UH, SO ITEM NUMBER ONE, ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOT FORMS BE PRESERVED. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY IF THE COMMISSION IS, UH, ACCEPTING OF THE ADDITION, THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED, THE FIRST STIPULATION WOULD NOT APPLY. 
          UH, BUT THE SECOND STIPULATION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE REINSTALLATION OF THE FREEZE BOARD, UH, UNDER THE GABLE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT, UH, STAFF WOULD BE, STAFF WOULD FIND THE ROOF REPLACEMENT TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO RETURN THE FENESTRATION PATTERN BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL FORM BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND WHAT THE APPLICANT BELIEVES TO BE HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. 
          UM, SO GENERALLY I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THIS UPDATED ELEVATION, UH, IS, IS APPROPRIATE. 
          UM, I DO NOT RECALL BASED ON PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THAT THERE WAS A TRANSOM WINDOW ABOVE THE DOOR, IF THERE MAY BE, WAS IT'S BEEN ENCLOSED. 
          UM, THERE WASN'T, UH, ANY FRAMING, UH, EVIDENCE IN THE FRAMING FROM WHAT I RECALL. 
          UH, SO, UH, GENERALLY I WOULD SAY ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS RETURNED THE FRONT FACADE, INCLUDING THE FENESTRATION BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL PROFILE. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE PORCH COLUMNS, I THINK THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF TWEAKING, UH, MAYBE WITH THE INSTALLATION OF SOME CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM, UH, JUST TO BUILD A COLUMN OUT, UH, AND TRIM AT THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THE COLUMN. 
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UH, BUT I, I GUESS I WOULD WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S GENERALLY BEEN, BEEN MET AS WELL. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THINGS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SIDING REPLACEMENT, UM, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, THAT WOULDN'T MATCH UP WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, BUT GENERALLY I WOULD SAY ITEMS ONE, TWO, AS IT ONLY APPLIES TO THE FRONT FACADE, 5, 1, 2, AND FIVE HAVE DIRECTLY BEEN MET, UM, BY THIS UPDATED ELEVATION. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS OUT SOME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK THE SIDING YOU HAVE ALREADY ON THERE WAS WOOD, IT JUST NEEDED TO BE FLIPPED OVER, I THINK, CORRECT. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THE, I'LL, I'LL GO DOWN THE PHOTOS. 
          UM, THE SIDING WAS A COMPOSITE SIDING. 
          UM, THERE WAS A, A FAUX WOOD GRAIN TEXTURE ON THAT COMPOSITE SIDING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS DIRECTLY DISCUSSED AT THE SITE VISIT. 
          UM, AND IF I RECALL, COMMISSIONERS NOTED THAT SINCE THE ORIGINAL LAPSE SIDING HAD BEEN REMOVED AND MUCH OF WHAT EXISTED ON THE STRUCTURE WAS THIS, UH, REALLY BAD T ONE 11 SIDING, THAT THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW MATERIAL, UH, MAY BE A LITTLE MORE ACCEPTABLE THAN HAD IT BEEN REPLACING ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING, BUT CERTAINLY COMMISSIONERS, UM, PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THAT SITE VISIT IF POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK, UH, UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED YOU GETTING THAT FINISH THAT WOOD FINISH ON YOUR SIDING TO, TO PRESENT SO THAT IT PRESENTS ITSELF AS, AS A FAUX WOOD OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          ON FIRST ELEVATION THAT I HAD SUBMITTED TO Y'ALL, I HAD BOARD AND BATTING ON THE PORCH. 
          THAT'S THAT ONE OVER THERE. 
          AND, UH, WHEN WE WENT TO THE SITE, UH, TO THE SITE, UH, YEAH, THEY MENTIONED THAT, UH, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE BOARD AND BATTING ON THE PORCH JUST TO CONTINUE USING THE SIDING THAT I HAD AROUND THE HOUSE ONTO THE PORCH, SO THAT WAY IT COULD DISTINGUISH THE, THE NEW ADDITION FROM THE OLD, UH, OKAY. 
          THE OLD, CERTAINLY THE, UH, LAP SIDING, UH, WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE APPROACH. 
          UM, AS HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, UM, LAP SIDING IS MOST COMMON, OR I SHOULD REPHRASE THAT, FOLK VICTORIAN STRUCTURES MOST COMMONLY FEATURE LAP SIDING. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? UH, NOT AT THIS MOMENT, NO, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, YES. 
          UM, STAFF CAN PERHAPS TELL ME, ARE THE WINDOWS IN THE ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE ON THE NORTH AND ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION? ARE THEY IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS? THE, GENERALLY, THE WINDOW THAT IS UNDER THE SOUTH FACING GABLE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN PHOTO ONE, UH, THIS WINDOW IS GENERALLY IN ITS SAME LOCATION. 
          UM, THE HEAD AND SILL HEIGHT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED. 
          UH, THE WINDOW'S BEEN SLIGHTLY SHORTENED, UH, AND THEN THE WIDTH HAS POTENTIALLY BEEN INCREASED A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT THIS WINDOW IS IN ITS ORIGINAL, ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION. 
          UM, HERE'S, UH, ONE OF THE, I GUESS, THE BEST VIEW THAT WE HAVE, THE NORTH FACADE. 
          UM, AND THEN HERE IS A, UH, VIEW OF, UH, WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING. 
          UH, SO COMMISSIONER SABINO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, GENERALLY YES. 
          UM, BASED ON THE TRIM OF THE FIRST TWO WINDOWS, UM, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS. 
          UH, THIS MOD HEIGHT RIGHT HERE, THIS WINDOW BEING MODIFIED, UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD CHANCE THAT THAT'S NOT ITS ORIGINAL, UH, ITS ORIGINAL PROFILE. 
          UH, MR. MUNOZ MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          MY CLOCK IS TAKING. 
          UM, SO, UM, MY CONCERN ON THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT, UM, IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY RELOCATED THEM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY SIT BACK FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL. 
          I WOULD LI I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND TAKES THE, UH, TAKES THE FACADE, UH, FURTHER INTO THAT ORIGINAL CONDITION. 
          ALSO, I WOULD, UM, 
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I GUESS I COULD JUST, UH, MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THIS, TO INCLUDE SETTING THE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE PER STAFF STANDARDS OR O H P INSTALLATION STANDARDS, AND ALSO ADD A TRIM BOARD TO THE SOUTH FACE OF THE ELEVATION, WHERE THE ADDITION, THE REBUILT PORCH EDITION, UM, MEETS UP WITH THE ORIGINAL GABLE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE, UM, THE, THE GABLE ON THE SOUTH AND THAT TINY UPPER WINDOW THERE WOULD BE A TRIM BOARD COMING ALONG. 
          WHERE WAS THAT? YES. 
          SORRY, LET ME PAUSE THAT REAL QUICK. 
          AND I'LL, THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO SET THE WINDOWS BACK ON THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, AND ADD A TRIM BOARD. 
          SO, UH, MR. NUNEZ TO THE SOUTH, BASICALLY THERE WOULD BE A, UM, TRIM BOARD, A PIECE OF, UH, VERTICAL TRIM PIECE, UH, ONE BY SIX OR SO, UH, THAT WOULD MORE OR LESS RUN, UH, VERTICALLY HERE, UH, JUST TO SIGNIFY WHERE THE ORIGINAL FORM STOPS AND THE NEW STARTS. 
          UH, SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, THERE BASICALLY LIKE THIS TRIM PIECE HERE MM-HMM. 
          , LIKE, RECREATE THAT. 
          UM, BUT JUST RIGHT HERE, YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY NON-CONFORMING THINGS GOING ON HERE. 
          I STILL, MY EYE STILL WANTS TO SEE THE ORIGINAL VICTORIAN FORM, AND THAT WOULD HELP. 
          AND THEN MR. MUNOZ, THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAD WAS, UH, WHEN YOU REFRAME THE WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE FRONT FACADE, FRAME THOSE IN A MANNER TO WHERE THE WINDOWS WILL BE RECESSED IN THE OPENING, LIKE OLD WINDOWS ARE INSTEAD OF FLUSH WITH THE FACE. 
          UM, SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT FACADE, THE WINDOWS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PUSHED IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          I CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU A DRAWING OR, SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION TO SECOND CHAIRMAN, AND THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I SECOND THE AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          MR. CHAIR, MAY I CLARIFY? YES, MA'AM. 
          IS THIS A MOTION TO APPROVE AS ADOPTED WITH STIPULATION AS ADOPTED WITH A STIPULATION TO SET THE WINDOWS FROM THE FRONT, FRONT FACADE BACK AND ADD A TRIM BOARD? CORRECT? YES. 
          AS PRESENTED IN PAGE 11, FRONT ELEVATION AS PRESENTED IN PAGE 11. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND ON THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          SO DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MI MR. CHAIR, THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING UNFAIR ABOUT THE WAY THAT OR POINT OF ORDER, THERE'S SOMETHING UNFAIR ABOUT THE WAY THAT YOU'RE GOING ABOUT THE COMMENTS, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GONNA START THE COMMENTS ALL OVER AGAIN. 
          YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED THE LAST COMMENT, SIR. 
          CYCLE. 
          IT'S JUST UNFAIR, SOMETHING UNFAIR ABOUT THE WAY YOU'RE DOING IT. 
          YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. 
          YES, EVERYONE WILL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. 
          UH, WELL, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT'S BEING REPORTED AND, AND THE UNFAIRNESS, THE INJUSTICE IN WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S GONNA BE REPORTED FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE. 
          SO I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL GET A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING 'CAUSE YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT LISTENING TO WHAT MY COMMENT IS. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, APPLICANT'S, UH, EFFORTS TO, TO TRY TO, TO MAKE AMENDS HERE, AND PARTICULARLY GOING AND FINDING THE PHOTOGRAPHIC, UH, EVIDENCE. 
          I THINK IT JUST, IT REALLY DRIVES HOME THE, THE FACT THAT THIS IS PROBABLY YOUR FAMILY'S LEGACY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE PRECIOUS DETECTED. 
          SURE. 
          THIS, THIS HOUSE IS, IS A TANGIBLE, UM, ARTIFACT OF YOUR FAMILY'S HISTORY. 
          AND, UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH, UH, O H P AND, AND, UM, I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE, THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? UH, NO, I, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          I, I CAN SIT BY AND SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT SO FAR. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT ON THIS EFFORTS AND I WILL DEFINITELY BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SINO. 
          NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          FIRST MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO ISSUE A, A FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THE, UH, THE TIME IS, UH, BEING, UH, UH, FACILITATED IT IN AN UNFAIR MANNER, UH, OFFERING PREFERENCE TO SOME COMMISSIONERS OVER OTHERS WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          WITH, 
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WITH RESPECT, UH, TO THE, UH, MOTION. 
          I, I'D JUST LIKE TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION JUST TO BE REMINDED THAT WE MET WITH THIS YOUNG MAN, UH, SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT, IT WAS A VERY KIND OF DILIGENT, UM, UH, UH, MEETING, UH, WITH THIS YOUNG MAN. 
          UM, A LOT TO HANDLE FOR ONE PERSON. 
          UM, AND, UH, HE'S DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. 
          UH, I I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE WORK THAT THAT HAS GONE INTO, UM, UH, BRINGING BACK AN ELEVATION THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD. 
          I, I DO FIND, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, EL ELEMENT OF, UH, THE FACADE WINDOWS BEING INSET TO BE, UH, UH, VERY SENSITIVE AND, AND, UH, UH, REALLY THANK, UH, FRED FOR STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE THERE AND OFFERING A, A DETAIL. 
          I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE, UH, UH, VERY PREPARED TO, TO, UM, UH, TO DO ON OCCASIONS IS TO SAY THAT STAFF HAS THE DETAIL AND, AND THAT IS, UH, UH, REALLY VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF TAKING THE PICTURE THAT THE YOUNG MAN HAD OF, UM, THE HOUSE HAS IT, WHEN THE CITY DID THE WORK TO IT INSTEAD, PUT THAT PICTURE UP. 
          UM, SO IT'S ON THE TABLE CAM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GOES TO THE WEBEX OR NOT. 
          CAN YOU SEE THAT COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, ALL I SEE IS WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, WHICH IS THE ELEVATION IN TWO D FORM. 
          OH, WEIRD. 
          OH, THERE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE IT IN HIS, IN HIS IMAGE. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, THAT, UH, IT'S VERY CLEAR THROUGH THIS IMAGE AND THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF THIS YOUNG MAN, THAT, THAT THE TRUEST CULTURE, THE TRUEST, UH, UH, EXPRESSION OF, OF THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THIS ENVIRONMENT RESTS NOT JUST WITH THE HOUSE, BUT WITH THIS YOUNG MAN'S FAMILY THAT, UH, HE'S EXPRESSED VERY CLEARLY THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN HIS GRANDMOTHER REACHED OUT TO THE CITY OR THE CITY PROVIDED ASSISTANCE IN, UM, THE, THE, UH, IN REDEVELOPMENT OR IMPROVEMENT OF THAT HOUSE AS THEY USED TO DO QUITE A BIT IN THE 1970S, THE 1980S, AND THE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND AS THEY'RE DOING AGAIN, WHICH IS REALLY TO BE APPRECIATED. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT, UH, I WANNA MAKE VERY CLEAR TO, TO, TO THE APPLICANT THAT THERE'S NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT IN THE CULTURE OF HIS FAMILY AND THE STRUGGLE OF HIS FAMILY TO GET HIM TO WHERE HE IS. 
          UH, TODAY. 
          UH, I THINK, UH, YOU'RE TO BE COMMENDED FOR SHARING YOUR FAMILY'S, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGACY THROUGH, THROUGH THEIR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, BUT THROUGH MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, THAT, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE IS ALSO AN EXPRESSION OF THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT, THAT LIFE, UM, GIVES YOU ECONOMICALLY. 
          AND, AND I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT, THAT I THINK I FEEL FOR YOU AND THAT THAT IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT OUR SYSTEM IS NOT MORE SENSITIVE IN TAKING INTO THIS CONSIDERATION THE STRESSORS ON, ON YOUR FAMILY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, I ALSO THANK MR. MUNOZ FOR WORKING WITH THE STAFF AND WITH THE COMMISSION ON, UM, GETTING A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR THE HOUSE SO THAT, UH, IT CAN, UH, MAINTAIN ITS HISTORIC CHARACTER AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ITEM 16, AGENDA ITEM 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 45 3 0 5 LAVACCA, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO TWO STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURES AT 3 0 5. 
          LAVACCA STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH SS STEP STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WILL NOT BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE. 
          WALL PLANES OF ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES BASED ON FINDINGS D AND E TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE MASSING AND PROVIDES A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES IN RELATION TO NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES, INCLUDING PROPOSED FOUNDATION AND FLOOR HEIGHTS BASED ON FINDINGS G AND H THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING L THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS FOUR. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SIL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. 
          AS NOTED IN, IN FINDING M FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES FRONT PORCH ELEMENTS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK BASED ON FINDING O 
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SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PERMEABLE SURFACING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING P AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UM, AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, UPDATED DOCUMENTS, UM, MATERIAL APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR REVIEW, UM, THAT WERE NOT REVIEWED BY STAFF FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THOSE TODAY AT THE HEARING. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, CAROLYN GATTO IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          HI, HOW ARE YOU GUYS? UH, MY NAME'S CAROLINE GADO. 
          I WORK WITH THE JONES CONSTRUCTION GROUP. 
          THIS IS OUR 3 0 5 LAVACCA SITE. 
          UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD TWO DUPLEXES. 
          ONE OF THE ORIENTATIONS IS FACING LAVACCA STREET AND THE OTHER IS GARFIELD ALLEY. 
          EACH UNIT HAS ITS OWN PARKING SET UP ON EACH SIDE OF EACH UNIT, AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A SWIMMING POOL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE TO RESUBMIT THE HEIGHT STUDY, BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE LOWER LEFT HERE ON THE SATELLITE MAP, IT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS LIKE, UM, AND KIND OF THE SETBACKS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. 
          ONE THING THAT'S NOT LISTED IS IF YOU'RE ON LAVACCA STREET FACING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE IS A NEW, UM, DEVELOPMENT GOING UP THAT LOOKS TO BE TWO OR THREE STORIES. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AS WELL IN THE AREA. 
          SO MOVING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS ONE OF OUR ELEVATIONS. 
          OUR BUILDING MAXES OUT AT 32 FEET. 
          ONE OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS WE RECEIVED WAS REMOVING SOME BRICK AND REPLACING IT WITH COLUMNS THERE ON THAT FRONT ELEVATION. 
          WE PLAN ON DOING THAT AND, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING A SOLID PARTITION WALL THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOME RAILINGS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SECOND STORY PATIO. 
          AND THEN OUR SIDE VIEWS AS WELL SHOW THOSE COLUMNS. 
          UM, WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          THESE ARE SOME OF OUR EXTERIOR SELECTIONS. 
          STARTING WITH THE ROOF. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO WITH SHINGLES. 
          UM, WE CHOSE THE OWENS COLONIAL SLATE. 
          UM, OUR BODY WILL BE FIBER, SMOOTH CEMENT, FIBER CEMENT, SMOOTH LAP SIDING. 
          UM, THE COLOR OF THE BODY WILL BE HISTORICAL GRAY. 
          OUR TRIM, WE ARE PROPOSING SWISS COFFEE. 
          OUR DOORS AND WINDOWS WILL ALL BE WOOD AND, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PAINT THEM ESPRESSO BEANS. 
          WE'LL HAVE TRAINS AND WINDOWS. 
          AND THEN WE LINKED A COUPLE OF OUR DOOR SELECTIONS AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL SLIDE IS JUST A LETTER FROM THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION SHOWING THAT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF OUR DEVELOPMENT HERE. 
          WE RECENTLY SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN THAT DID NOT INCLUDE, UM, A SWIMMING POOL IN CURB CUT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON AND MAYBE SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT WOULD BE BEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I MOVE TO REMAND THIS TO A D R C I SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          OH, I, I KIND OF, UH, WANTED TO SEE IF WE WOULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT JUST, UH, GETTING IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER SO THAT WE HAVE ON THE RECORD MORE OF WHAT, WHAT OUR CONSIDERATIONS WOULD BE BEFORE GOING INTO A D R C, BUT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE D R C. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I HAVE NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO SUPPORT GOING TO A D R C AS WELL AS, UM, SO SHE CAN GET THE DIRECTION ABOUT THE POLL THAT WASN'T ADDED ORIGINALLY. 
          SO YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THE, IN ADDITION TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, I THINK, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION KIND OF DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF BULLETING THEIR POINTS. 
          AND I WAS KIND OF INTERESTED TO SEE IT ADDED TO THIS LATE, UH, UM, THE LATE SUBMISSION HERE. 
          ONE OF MY CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE SITE PLAN AND THE MASSING WHEN IT COMES FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS THAT WE REALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE ASPECTS BEFORE WE GET IT TO A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO AT A D R C. 
          WE'D BE ABLE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT LIST CAREFULLY, SEE WHERE THINGS ARE GOING IN A MORE PRODUCTIVE WAY AND GET YOU TOWARD A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA. 
          DITTO. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS 
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AND I WOULD ALSO AGREE WITH THE, UH, THE MOTION THAT, UM, JUST SOME MORE IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ON STAT'S, COMMENTS AND, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S LETTER. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          STAFF WILL GO WITH YOU TO SCHEDULE THAT, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AGENDA ITEM 17, H D C CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 46 5 0 6. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT FOUR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE LOT ADDRESSED 5 0 6 STEER. 
          THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THREE THREE STORY STRUCTURES AND ONE TWO STORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P. 
          THE APPLICANT SHOULD INCORPORATE THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES A REVISED SITE CONFIGURATION AND BUILDING NUMBER THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND LOT COVERAGE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS NOTED IN FINDING FINDINGS DE AND K TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASES THE SETBACK OF THE FRONT UNIT TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DISTRICT. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, G, G AND J THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT STRUCTURE TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES AS NOTED IN FINDING F FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHTS OF ALL THREE OF THE REAR, UM, ALL THE REAR THREE STRUCTURES TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING F FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN ACCURATE LINE OF SIGHT STUDY FROM BOTH STEERING AND CEDAR THAT ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES AND CONTEXT WITH THE SURROUNDING BLOCK. 
          SIX, THAT THE DETACHED GARAGES OR PARKING AREAS BE UTILIZED INSTEAD OF ATTACHED GARAGES AND CARPORTS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING M SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIES THE PROPOSED WINDOWS TO BE ONE OVER ONE AND SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          EIGHT. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TO BE INTRODUCED BY THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND HARDSCAPING WHERE FEASIBLE. 
          NINE. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR APPROVAL. 
          THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOULD INDICATE ALL SETBACKS WITH DIMENSIONS, ALL LOCATIONS, AND DIMENSIONS OF PROPOSED HARDSCAPING AND THE LOCATIONS AND SPECIES OF PLANTS. 
          THE APPLICANT SHOULD INDICATE ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE, ON THE SITE PLANS AND OR ELEVATIONS FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          10, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ZONING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIOUS, A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED A LATE SUBMISSION FOR THIS REQUEST AS WELL THAT THEY WOULD LIKE REVIEWED AT H D R C. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT INCLUDED IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, CAROLYN GHETTO IS ALSO THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REQUEST. 
          HI AGAIN. 
          LEMME JUMP TO MY NOTES. 
          UM, WE CAN PROBABLY JUMP TO THE HEIGHT STUDY DOWN BELOW. 
          SO HERE'S OUR HEIGHT STUDY FOR BOTH CEDAR STREET AND STEER STREET. 
          UM, THIS IS TO DEPICT AN ACCURATE LINE OF SITE STUDY THAT ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES AND CONTEXT TO THE SURROUNDING BLOCK. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT MIDDLE SECTION RIGHT THERE, WE'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS SOUTH ST. 
          MARY'S, WHICH IS A BUSY COMMERCIAL STREET. 
          UM, AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF US, IF YOU'RE FACING STEERING IS OUR NEIGHBOR. 
          AND THEN GOING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS JUST OUR LOT COVERAGE STUDY WITH PROPERTIES WITH SIMILAR LOT COVERAGE, UM, ALL PRETTY SIMILAR IN THIS AREA. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE OUR KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UM, LETTER, SOMETHING THEY POINTED OUT. 
          AND, UH, NUMBER THREE THERE, SINCE THERE ARE NO HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK FACE OF STEERING, THE SETBACK OF THE ONLY RESIDENCE ON THE BLOCK WAS USED TO ESTABLISH THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WERE GOING OFF OF THERE, UM, IN THAT SELECTION. 
          AND THEN IF WE WANNA MOVE BACK TO THE SITE MAP, WE DID SOME RECONFIGURING ON THE SITE MAP. 
          UM, SINCE OUR LAST E R C MEETING, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT ALL THE ORIENTATIONS OF THE FRONT DOORS WERE NOT FACING NORTH TO MATCH UP AT THAT MAIN HOUSE. 
          WE NOW MADE THAT CHANGE. 
          UM, THE MAIN HOUSE DOES HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE AND DWELLING UNITS. 
          UM, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR HAVE THEIR OWN COVERED PARKING. 
          AND THEN YES. 
          UM, AND THEN OUR NEXT SLIDE IS JUST THE MAIN HOUSE ELEVATIONS. 
          ALL OF OUR STRUCTURES 
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ARE UNDER 35 FEET, UM, AND THEY KIND OF GO DOWN OR UNIT ONE'S GONNA BE OUR LARGEST STRUCTURE. 
          SO THAT ONE IS THERE. 
          AND THEN OUR NEXT ELEVATION IS JUST UNIT TWO. 
          UM, IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING ON THE LAING HERE. 
          IF YOU LOOK UP AT THAT TOP LEFT ONE WHERE IT SAYS UNIT TWO, FRONT ELEVATION WEST, IT SHOULD READ UNIT TWO, FRONT ELEVATION NORTH. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE SIDE THERE, YOU SEE THAT AWNING. 
          WE HAVE A COVERED PATIO SITUATION, UM, FOR EACH FRONT DOOR. 
          SO YOU CAN PROBABLY GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SAME SIMILAR LAYOUT, UM, SMALLER STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN MOVING ON TO UNIT FOUR, SIMILAR LAYOUT, SMALLER STRUCTURE. 
          AND THEN OUR FINAL SELECTIONS, UM, ARE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, WE WILL NEED TO INCORPORATE A LANDSCAPING, UH, PLAN WITH YOU GUYS, BUT THESE ARE OUR CURRENT SELECTIONS. 
          ALL OF OUR WINDOWS AND DOORS WILL BE WOOD. 
          WE'LL BE UTILIZING METAL ROOFS AND OUR FRONT DOORS FOR THE MOST PART ARE ALL BLACK. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY'RE INTERCHANGING THROUGHOUT THOSE COLORS ON THERE. 
          AND I WILL END WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          LETS GIVE IT ADDIT SINA. 
          IS THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL OR FOR FINAL? THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO APPROVE THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND ALL NOTATION FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION LETTER ADDRESSED IN YOUR SUBSEQUENT WORK. 
          SURE, SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I SUPPORT THAT MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          I AM A SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I THINK I GENERALLY IN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WE'VE GOT SOME LATITUDE HERE. 
          THERE'S A FEW PIECES THAT ARE IN CONFLICT BETWEEN THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S STATEMENT AND SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS HERE. 
          SO I'D RECOMMEND, UM, AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD TO, UH, SCHEDULE A D R C AS THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD, JUST SO WE CAN GO THROUGH SOME OF SOME OF THOSE DETAILS BEFORE IT COMES TO FINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          OR, OR FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, NO COMMENTS. 
          YES, I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, THIS MOTION AND, UH, ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BACK, REQUEST THE D R C ONCE YOU'VE ADDRESSED THESE COMMENTS AND, UH, SO WE CAN GET MORE IN DEPTH IN THE, INTO THE DETAILS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SENO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          SANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 58 3 20 NORTH DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO EXTEND THE EXISTING WOOD PRIVACY FENCING TO MEET THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE AT THE EAST SIDE YARD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE NEW FENCING BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE FENCE IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE TO NOT OBSTRUCT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 
          I E SET BEHIND THE FRONT MOST WINDOW TWO, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. 
          THREE, THAT THE FENCING BE PERMITTED AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY AND UM, SHE'S PREVIOUSLY EXPRESSED THAT SHE CONSENTS WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
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UH, PETRA ONLINE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. 
          YES. 
          OH, WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          YES, I'M HERE AND WE CAN HEAR YOU. 
          CAN YOU HEAR US? YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO BASICALLY I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I GOT SOME FENCING TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOME, AND AT THIS TIME I WILL ACCEPT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE ON, UM, THE WEEK OF, WELL, THE MONTH OF JUNE WHEN I SUBMITTED THE REQUEST. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UH, MA'AM. 
          YES, I AM OKAY WITH EVERYTHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          SINCE THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING, UM, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND I AGREE WITH THE MOTION. 
          SO MAY I, UM, CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 19. 
          AGENDA ITEM 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 360 4 4 16 LAMAR STREET, THE APPLICANT, EXCUSE ME. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 600 SQUARE FEET. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH E. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT FEATURES AMASSING PROFILE AND MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, OR RELATE TO THE MATERIALS OR DESIGN OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, LAUREN BARTHOLOMEW IS JOINING VIRTUALLY. 
          YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE STILL. 
          I JUST, THERE YOU ARE. 
          CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING? HI. 
          UH, MY PARTNER RANDY OMAN, WILL BE DOING MOST OF THE TALKING. 
          HE HAS MORE EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA. 
          JUST SUMMARIZE, IT'S A PROJECT TO BUILD A GARAGE OUT BUILDING, UH, TO SERVICE OUR NEEDS AS RESIDENTS. 
          THERE IS NO PRESENT GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN HAS BEEN POSTED THAT AIMS AT A STRUCTURE THAT IS COMPATIBLE IN MASS FORM AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. 
          IT IS TO BE LOCATED, NOT THAT ONE. 
          SO THE SHOT THAT YOU SHOW RIGHT NOW IS SIMPLY A, UH, UH, THERE WE GO, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, OF GARAGE AND, AND, AND SO WE DID NOT KNOW AT THE TIME THAT WE SUBMITTED THAT, BUT, UH, OF SOME OF THE DETAILS REQUIRED BY THE DESIGN GUIDE. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE SINCE, UH, MADE THAT TO ADAPTATIONS THAT OUR, UH, O H P UH, PERSON HAS BEEN AWARE OF. 
          UH, BUT THE, UH, IDEA IS TO, UH, MAKE A STRUCTURE THAT IS COMPATIBLE IN MASS FORM IN ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. 
          UH, IT'S TO BE LOCATED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPICAL POSITION FOR A GARAGE, AND IT WILL NOT BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE O H P HAS, UH, STUDIED THIS AND, UH, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE, THE DETAILS THEY'VE, UH, GONE THROUGH AND, AND HELPED, UH, REORIENT US AND A US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          UM, THE, UH, FINDINGS, UH, IN ONE PARTICULAR CASE, UH, IS THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS, UH, PREFABRICATED AND THAT IS NOT OUR INTENT. 
          UH, SO THAT, THAT, UH, I THINK HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          UH, ALSO, THEY, UH, ASKED US TO DO A LINE OF SITE STUDY, AND WE'VE DONE THAT, AND WE'VE SENT THAT ALONG TO, UH, MS. LEHNER. 
          AND IT SHOWS THAT 
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THE, UH, STRUCTURE IS SUBORDINATE AND DIMINUTIVE TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, UH, EVEN IF IT WERE DOUBLE OR TRIPLE HEIGHT, IT WOULD NOT BE SEEN FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, THE, UH, PRIMARY STRUCTURE, UH, UH, WAS A, AN ISSUE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, FROM A PERCENTAGE OF PRIMARY STRUCTURES WERE. 
          UH, BUT THAT WAS BASED ON, UH, A PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF 1,250 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE. 
          UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY, UH, CLOSE TO 1800 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO, UH, 40% OF THAT, UH, IS, UH, IS ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR THE 600 SQUARE FOOT PROPOSED STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THE 600 FEET IS ACTUALLY 33% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, UH, ALSO THE, UH, UH, THE O H B HAD, UH, UH, TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE MATERIALS AND, UH, WE'VE, UH, UH, GONE TO A GREAT EXTENT TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, BOTH, UH, DURABLE AND, UH, AND STRONG AND YET ALSO HAS BEEN USED IN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. 
          UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAS, UH,  SIDING, UH, AND, UH, WE, UH, HAVE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE FOR APPROXIMATELY, UH, SIX YEARS. 
          AND, UH, IT IS, UH, IT WAS PAINTED, UH, AT, AT THE TIME OF RENOVATION. 
          AND, UH, THE PAINT IS ALREADY, UH, SUFFERING, UH, CRACKS AND PEELING AND, AND, AND DOESN'T LOOK BAD, OR, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD UNLESS, UH, WE STAND WAY, WAY, WAY BACK. 
          AND SO WE WERE INTERESTED IN WITH, AS CITIZENS MAKE IT, UH, ABLE FOR US TO MAINTAIN IT AND, AND HAVE, UH, A LONG LASTING BEAUTY OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND SO WE FOUND, UH, UH, THAT, UH, STEEL, UH, SIDING THAT HAS BEEN ROLLED IN THE NOVELTY SIDING, UH, FORM, UH, WOULD ACTUALLY MATCH THAT. 
          AND, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, UM, AND PROPOSE THAT AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO, UH, TO WOOD. 
          THE, THE COLORS SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAMS ARE NOT THE EXACT COLORS. 
          WE WOULD MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, PRIMARY STRUCTURE COLORS IN WHATEVER BUILDINGS PUT UP IN THE BACKYARD. 
          THE FENESTRATION SHOW ON THE ILLUSTRATIONS, UH, UH, UH, SHOW A, UH, BLANK DOOR, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, CHANGE TO A CRAFTSMAN STYLE THAT, UH, MATCH MATCHES THE, UH, DOOR ON A, UH, STORAGE UTILITY. 
          SHED VERY CLOSE TO THAT. 
          IT'S ON OUR FRONT DOOR. 
          UH, SIMILARLY, THE, UH, GARAGE DOORS, WHICH ARE OF A NORMAL PROPORTION, UH, WOULD BE PAINTED IN THE TRIM COLORS OR IN A, UH, UH, AN ACCENT COLOR THAT WOULD NOT DISTRACT FROM ITS APPEARANCE. 
          UH, THE LINE OF SIGHT SHOWS THAT THESE, UH, THE STRUCTURE IS, UH, UH, UH, NOT, NOT VISIBLE FROM, UH, THE, UH, . 
          I GUESS. 
          LASTLY, THE, UH, PRIMARY STRUCTURE HAS A STANDING STEAM ON THE ROOF. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT OF THIS ONE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ANY VOICEMAILS? NO, UH, NO VOICEMAILS, BUT THERE IS ONE COMMENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN BE CREATIVE YET STANDARD AT THE SAME TIME. 
          I WOULD MAKE AN MOTION TO APPROVE THIS CASE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S RECOMMEND TO, UM, HOW DO I SAY THAT? RECOMMEND, UM, STAFF'S FINDINGS AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES. 
          A SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          SO WHAT THIS WOULD REQUIRE IS THAT THE APPLICATION INCORPORATES STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN RETURN FOR A C O A, UH, IT WOULD FOLLOW A NORMAL COURSE OF THE APPLICATION AND RETURN TO H D R C. 
          SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS? YEAH, MR. THE CHAIR. 
          I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          YEAH, JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY WITH, WITH COREY THERE. 
          SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH 
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THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF. 
          IT'S JUST NOT PRESENTED HERE. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE THAT BEYOND CONCEPTUAL WE CAN APPROVE PENDING STAFF STIPULATIONS? OR SHOULD WE JUST WAIT AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES? IS THAT THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH OPTIONS. 
          IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO SEE THIS AGAIN TO REVIEW WHETHER OR NOT THE INCORPORATED CHANGES ARE WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE CONCEPTUAL. 
          SO IT COMES BACK FOR A C O A IF YOU WANT TO ISSUE A C O A AND LET STAFF WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO DEVELOP THOSE DETAILS, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE ACTION. 
          IF IT, IF IT HELPS. 
          UH, THE TIMELINE WAS SUCH THAT LAST THURSDAY WAS THE DEADLINE, UH, FOR SUBMITTING THE RESPONSE TO, UH, MS. LANE'S, UH, UH, FINDINGS. 
          AND, AND WE THOUGHT WE HAD RESPONDED, UH, BUT ONLY LATER THURSDAY. 
          SO THERE'S A COUPLE KEY DOCUMENTS THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT SEEING. 
          ONE IS, UH, THE MINE OF SITE STUDY, UH, WHICH WAS A CONCERN, UH, TO HER AND THE REST OF THE STAFF. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS A, AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, MANY, UH, OF HISTORICAL, UH, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, MARKET, UH, MANUFACTURERS OF THIS SIDING THAT I SPEAK OF THAT IS MADE TO, UH, UH, BE A, A GOOD REPLACEMENT OR AN ALTERNATIVE TO WOOD FOR THESE, UH, NOVELTY SIDING. 
          YES, AND MY APOLOGIES, I DO HAVE THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS HERE. 
          UM, IT'S THE LINE OF SIGHT STUDY IN THE MATERIALS DOCUMENT. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY THEY'RE NOT OPENING ON THIS COMPUTER. 
          UM, WHERE'S MY IPAD?  WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, MODEST, UH, REQUEST. 
          IT'S FAR ENOUGH BACK FROM A SITE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT, BUT I DO THINK SOME OF THE MATERIALITY, UM, IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING FOR ME TO ACCEPT, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS A PERHAPS, UM, AN ARGUMENT THAT CAN BE MADE THAT, THAT, UH, IF YOU FIND OTHER, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE COMPOSED OF METAL, THEN THAT MIGHT SUPPORT YOUR, YOUR, UM, REQUEST FOR THE METAL. 
          THERE ARE OTHER, UH, LOW MAINTENANCE, UH, OPTIONS FOR YOU, BE IT A HARDY MATERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE DETAILED IN A WAY THAT'S MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE DRAWINGS AND THE MASSING, WHAT THROWS IT OFF A LITTLE BIT IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, MORE TRADITIONAL EASE AND OVERHANG THAT YOU WOULD FIND. 
          UM, AND IT, IT LOOKS PREFABRICATED AS A RESULT OF, OF HOW THE DETAILING IS, IS, UH, VERY MODEST ON IT. 
          UM, SO I THINK THERE, UH, COULD BE A PATH FORWARD, UH, THAT WOULD END IN WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING SOMETHING BACK THERE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, LET'S GO WITH THIS PROCESS THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER  TO, TO HAVE THEM INCORPORATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UH, COME BACK WITH, UH, PERHAPS ANOTHER GO AT THIS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY MAY INTERJECT. 
          UH, UH, THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THAT LINE OF SITE STUDY, IS THAT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE, UH, OVERHANGS, UH, EXISTING, BUT , THEY'RE ALL SOMETHING WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE O UH, UHT, UH, AND ARE HAPPY TO COMPLY. 
          UH, AND REGARDING, UH, THE METAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, YES, THERE'S METAL, BUT WE DON'T ASPIRE TO IT. 
          THE METAL IS ON, UH, THREE OF OUR FOUR NEIGHBORS IS, UH, CORRUGATED STEEL. 
          AND WE, WE DO NOT WANT THAT. 
          WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, NECESSARILY, UH, COMPLIMENTS, UH, IN A POSITIVE WAY. 
          AND EVERY, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS USE THIS NEW PRODUCT THAT, UH, LOOKS LIKE OUR SIDING AND IS DURABLE AND, AND WON'T HAVE CAUSE US TO HAVE TO REPAINT. 
          UH, THE HARDY PRODUCTS, UH, DO NOT EXIST, UH, THAT, UH, EXEMPLIFY THIS, UH, CROSS SECTION ON, ON THEIR CATALOG. 
          AND, UH, UH, IT'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT A HISTORICAL, UH, I AND I, I HOPE, HOPE YOU'LL LOOK FAVORABLY ON, ON WHAT WE'RE FINDING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER QUEZ? NO COMMENT, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, YEAH. 
          UM, MY MOTION WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE PACKAGE IS LACKING A LOT OF THE DETAILS AND THE THINGS, UM, THAT STAFF NOTED IN THE FINDINGS. 
          AND I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO SEE AND IMPORTANT FOR US IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR DECISION. 
          IF WE DON'T SEE 
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IT, WE CAN'T DECIDE. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S THE TRICKY PART TO STAFF ABOUT LATE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS. 
          IT DOESN'T GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY REVIEW 'EM ADEQUATELY AND TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WHO IS PART OF THE PROCESS TOO. 
          SO THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND MY MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO, UM, WE KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT'S ON THE RIGHT PATH IN SOME RESPECTS, BUT, UH, WE DO NEED TO SEE THE, THE, THE MATERIAL WITH A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST ALSO RECONSIDERING THE MATERIALITY, THE METAL. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS TO ACHIEVE THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT WE LOOK FOR IN OTHER MATERIALS. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FISH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, IS THIS A, A, A CONVENTIONAL, UH, DIMENSIONAL LUMBER FRAME THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UH, NO. 
          THIS WOULD BE A, A STEEL FRAME, UH, CONSTRUCTED ON SITE BUILDING ENGINEERED FOR, UH, PROPER WIND LOADS AND, UH, STRUCTURAL DESIGN. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S IT, UH, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE WITH EXISTING LOOK STRUCTURES HERE, IT LOOKS TO BE A LOT MORE RIGID AND LONGER LASTING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE END UP WITH SOME OF THESE DETAILS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PREFABRICATED LOOK, BECAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY USING A C CHANNEL OR A Z PERLIN ALONG THE WALLS, UM, WHICH IS GONNA CREATE A CHALLENGE IN YOUR METAL PANEL THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BECAUSE THAT'S STRIATED HORIZONTALLY, AND YOU REALLY NEED SOMETHING STRIATED VERTICALLY. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA BE BUILDING UP A WHOLE LOT OF FRAME TO TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING IN THE CHARACTER OF WHAT IS NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, IN THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE, THE ISSUE TO ME THAT STANDS OUT AS PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING IS REALLY THE ROOF, THE WAY THE ROOF EDGE MEETS THE WALL. 
          AND THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T JUST A, AN UNDEVELOPED IMAGE THAT WE ARE LOOKING ON AT THE SCREEN. 
          THIS IS REALLY A CONSEQUENCE OF THE NATURE OF THE FRAME. 
          CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, PURLINS FROM A RIDGE TO THE WALL FRAME, SO THERE WOULD NECESSARILY BE NO EVE, AM I, AM I CORRECT IN THAT? NO, UH, IT, IT'S, UH, UH, A A STEEL, STEEL FRAME, UH, AND AS YOU NOTED, THE SUPPORTING STRUCTURES TO ALLOW, UH, FASTEN THE ROOF AND SIDING, ET CETERA. 
          BUT, UH, THE OVERHANG IS AT, AT OUR, OUR WHIM, UH, AND, AND SO WE CAN MEET THE, UH, THE GUIDELINES, AND THIS IS THE, UH, THE SIDING THAT WE PUT ON IT AND THE, UH, AND THE ROOFING. 
          AND SO, UH, WE HAVE SOURCED SIDING THAT CAN BE PLACED HORIZONTALLY. 
          UH, THIS IMAGE COMES FROM, UH, A STOCK STOCK IMAGE OF A, A BUILDING THAT SIZE. 
          AND, SORRY, IT'S NOT INDICATIVE. 
          WE WE'RE NAIVE AND INEXPERIENCED WITH THIS, SO WE WANTED TO SHOW SOMETHING IN OUR SUBMISSION TO SHOW THE GENERAL SHAPE THING. 
          UH, SO IF I CAN FOLLOW, IF I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN ABOUT THE METAL, THE METAL PROFILE, I'M ALWAYS HESITANT TO SUBSTITUTE, UH, A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, A FO A FAKE HISTORIC ELEMENT HERE. 
          SO METAL MIMICKING WOOD REALLY RUNS AGAINST THE GUIDELINES, AND EVEN WHEN WE'RE RECOMMENDING HARDY, HARDY, UH, LAPSE SIGHTING, WE RECOMMEND IT SMOOTH WITHOUT WOOD FOG GRAIN. 
          SO YOU'RE HEARING SOME HESITATION UP HERE ABOUT, UH, THAT PROPOSAL, BUT I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THAT MATERIAL, HOW IS THAT MATERIAL ATTACHED TO THE FRAME? I DON'T KNOW. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THAT IT'S, UH, IT COMES IN, UH, 12 FOOT LENGTHS OF, UH, WHAT'S CALLED DOUBLE. 
          SO IT'S LIKE TWO OF THE, UH, OF THE DUTCH LAP, UH, STRINGERS. 
          SO IT COMES IN A, IN A PIECE THAT'S, UH, UH, UH, ONE SQUARE PER PER PIECE. 
          SO IT'S LIKELY GOING TO HAVE EXPOSED FASTENERS. 
          IS THAT THIS ISN'T A CON. 
          OH, NO, NO, NO. 
          I WOULD NOT, UH, WE WOULD NOT STAND FOR THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE CONCEALED FASTENERS THAT ARE, ARE HOW MANY FEET APART? I DON'T HAVE. 
          SO, UM, I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT'S GOING FORWARD WITH CONCEPTUAL, UH, CONCEPTUAL AND, UM, A CONVERSATION WITH THE D R C MAYBE NEXT WEEK IF WE HAVE TIME. 
          UH, JUST ONLINE ON ZOOM I THINK WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL IN KIND OF WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THESE DETAILS, BECAUSE ON THE FACE OF IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD MOVE, IT'S POSSIBLE TO MOVE FORWARD AND LET STAFF SORT IT OUT, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL INCONSISTENCIES IN, IN, UH, WHERE THIS IS GOING. 
          THAT CONCERN ME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR CONTROL AND, UM, CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? 
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YES. 
          AND VASER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, AGENDA ITEM 20,  AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 96 2 0 6 LAVACCA STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE RECON RECONSTRUCT THE FRONT PORCH. 
          TWO, REMOVE THE STUCCO CLADDING, AND THREE, DEMOLISH THE REAR ADDITION TO FACILITATE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR PORCH. 
          HI, THIS IS SAM CHU WITH LAKE PLATO ARCHITECTS. 
          HI, UH, REPRESENTING THE CLIENT OF THE HOUSE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OH, IT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          JUST ONE SECOND, SAM, AND I'LL READ YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          , UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS, UH, THAT THE NEW COLUMNS BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH AND FEATURE TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE AND CHAMBERED CORNERS. 
          THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH DECKING SHOULD FEATURE ONE INCH BY THREE INCH TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD MEMBERS LAID PER PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE PLANE. 
          AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES AN UPDATED ELEVATION SHOWING THE NEW PORCH HEIGHT AND PROPOSED SKIRTING MATERIAL FOR REVIEW BY STAFF PRIOR TO APPROVAL. 
          ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDING. 
          C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE STUCCO AND APPEARANCE OF THE FRONT FACADE NOT BE ALTERED. 
          ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, DEMOLITION OF THE REAR EDITION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR PORCH BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULATION SIMILAR TO, UH, OR IDENTICAL TO ITEM ONE. 
          UM, SAM, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SPEAK FOR YOUR CASE NOW, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, HANNAH. 
          UH, SORRY FOR, UH, INTERRUPTING EARLIER. 
          MY NAME IS SAM SHU WITH LAKE PLATO ARCHITECTS, UH, REPRESENTING THE CLIENT OF 2 0 6 LAVACCA. 
          UM, I, UH, AM CONSENTING TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT PORCH AND THE DEMOLITION OF THE NON HISTORIC REAR ADDITION TO FACILITATE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF REAR PORCH. 
          UM, HOWEVER, I AM ASKING FOR RECONSIDERATION TO THE STAFF'S CONSIDERATION, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF MAINTAINING THE EXISTING ASHLER BLOCK APPEARANCE AT THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN. 
          UM, AS DISCUSSED IN THE STAFF'S FINDINGS, THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH CURRENTLY FEATURES HISTORICALLY INAPPROPRIATE MATERIALS, SUCH AS A CONCRETE SLAB DECK, UH, ROUNDED DORK STYLE COLUMNS, AND A SHINGLE ROOF. 
          UM, AND ALSO THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING SHOWS THAT THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS SMOOTH STUCCO. 
          AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS, THE BUILDING IS A HISTORIC SORT OF CALICHE BLOCK. 
          UM, AND WHAT I'M, UH, ASKING FOR RECONSIDERATION IS THE FRONT FACADE, WHICH, UH, APPEARS TO BE A FAUX ASHLER, UH, BLOCK STUCCO WITH, UM, FAKE MORTAR JOINTS AND FAKE STONE LENTILS AND, AND HEADERS ABOVE THE DOORS AND WINDOWS. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE OF THESE OBSERVATIONS THAT THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS STUCCO AND BECAUSE OF THE FRONT, FRONT, FRONT PORCH IS HISTORICALLY, UH, INAPPROPRIATE, UM, I'D LIKE TO PAUSE THAT. 
          UH, THE FRONT FACADE IS NOT HISTORIC AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, I WANT TO PROPOSE TO DEMOLISH THE FAUX ASHLER BLOCK FACADE TO EXPOSE THE CALICHE BLOCK WALL BEHIND, UM, BOTH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT. 
          UH, THEIR FRONT FRONT FACADES ARE CONSTRUCTED OF THIS EXPOSED CALICHE BLOCK, SO I THINK IT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, IF THE CCHI BLOCK FACADE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BY THE COMMITTEE, UH, I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE TO STILL DEMOLISH THE FAUX ASHLER BLOCK FACADE AS I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S HISTORIC, UM, AND INSTEAD RE STUCCO THE FACADE IN A SMOOTH FINISH TO MATCH THE EXISTING STUCCO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE, UH, TO PRESENT TO YOU FOR RECONSIDERATION, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CHAIR COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ TO, UH, UH, APPROVE AS, UH, SUBMITTED 
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BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE, UH, UNCONTESTED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY ENUMERATED. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. 
          AND A SECOND. 
          SO, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, WE'LL START THE DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. 
          UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THAT FRONT FACADE DOES NOT BELONG, UH, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I, AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM MY, UH, FROM MY LAYPERSON'S VIEW THERE. 
          THAT'S MY, MY ONLY COMMENT. 
          SO, UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF DO DOCUMENTATION OF WHEN THE STUCCO THAT'S THERE WAS INSTALLED? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE WORKED ON A COUPLE PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA, ONE OVER IN CAMARGO AND, AND, UH, HIS HISTORIC CALICHE BLOCK, VERY SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, PORCH CONFIGURATION, AND IT DID HAVE A PLASTER COATING ON THE CALICHE THAT WAS THEN TOOLED FOR, FOR FOE JOINTS AND COINING AND LENTILS. 
          AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE HISTORIC AESTHETIC OF THE, OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND THE FURTHER POINT THAT, UM, THE, THE STUCCO ACTUALLY SERVES A, A FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE. 
          THE CALICHE IS VERY SOFT AND, AND, UH, SUSCEPTIBLE TO, UH, TO, UH, WATER IN INFILTRATION, IN, IN THE STUCCO ACTUALLY SERVED AS A WAY OF, OF MAKING IT MORE RESISTANT TO THE, UH, TO THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          HA, HAVE YOU DONE ANY OF THAT RESEARCH? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UH, I THINK YOU BRING UP SOME REALLY GREAT POINTS. 
          UM, I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS OF, OF SAID PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND I DO AGREE WITH YOUR POINT THAT STUCCO, UH, SERVES A, A PURPOSE TO SORT OF, UM, PRESERVING THE COLLEGIATE BLOCK BEHIND. 
          AND SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY COVERED IN STUCCO, UH, OVER THE CALICHE BLOCK. 
          BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PHOTO, ON THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE, THE, UH, RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS COMPLETELY EXPOSED CALICHE BLOCK. 
          SO I, I SUPPOSE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF REMOVING IF IT COULD NOT BE HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED AS, AS BEING ORIGINAL TREATMENT. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT EXPOSING THAT CALICHE BLOCK TO DETERIORATION AND ALSO JUST THE REMOVAL PROCESS ITSELF WOULD'VE TO BE DONE FAIRLY SURGICALLY SO YOU'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TEARING UP, MARRING UP A PRETTY SOFT, UH, SUBSTRATE MATERIAL. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. 
          CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? WELL, I, I, UH, AM INTENDING TO, UH, TRUST THE WISDOM OF THIS VERY, VERY QUALIFIED ARCHITECTURAL TEAM. 
          UM, UH, THE, UM, THE KEYTONES, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE FAKE KEYTONES ABOVE THE DOOR, A LITTLE KIND OF, TO ME, IF, IF, IF THERE SOMEONE AT, IN THE TIME WAS DOING IT IN A WAY THAT WAS, UM, TO REALLY FAKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOST, UM, UM, VISUALLY TRUE, UM, STATEMENT THAT ABOVE THE DOORS, KINDA AN INDICATION OF A MORE MODERN DETAILING OR SCORING, ALTHOUGH, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST AN OPINION, RIGHT? IT'S JUST VISUAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT, AND I, IT KIND OF THROWS ME OFF BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM PROPER IN, IN, IN ITS FAKENESS, RIGHT? BUT, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, I, I, UM, I HAVE, I HAVE A, A TENDENCY TO TRUST, UH, THAT THIS PROFESSIONAL HERE, UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SABINO? YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. J, UM, IN YOUR EXPLORATION OF THIS STRUCTURE, HAVE YOU, UM, YOU HAVEN'T FOUND A DATE OR PHOTOS THAT GIVE US AN IDEA WHEN THIS, UM, UH, COURSING PATTERN WAS APPLIED, BUT HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TAKE OFF A FEW CHUNKS AND DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS A CEMENT OR PORTLAND STUCCO, OR IS IT A LONG PLASTER? WHAT IS THE MATERIAL? YES, MA'AM. 
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GREAT QUESTION. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME PIECES OF THIS FACADE THAT ARE DETERIORATING AND THAT ARE FALLING OFF. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE IT ON THIS PICTURE, UM, BUT ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILD BUILDING NEAR THE BOTTOM, NEAR THE BASE, SOME OF THE FACADE IS ACTUALLY PEELING OFF AND IT ALMOST LOOKS TO BE, UH, LIKE A FRESCO OR, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST A VERY THIN KIND OF VENEER OF CEMENT OR STUCCO THAT, UM, IT IS ACTUALLY, YEAH, THERE YOU COULD SEE BARELY THROUGH THE FENCE. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THAT IS DETERIORATING AND, UM, IT'S A VERY THIN, UH, VENEER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY, UH, THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE, UM, THAT THIS IS STRICTLY JUST A, A COVER FOR THE COLLEGIATE BLOCK BEHIND, OKAY? BECAUSE I THINK THAT I HAVE WORKED ON A HOUSE IN ANOTHER CITY THAT HAD THE SAME FEATURE IN A, ON A DIFFERENT BACKUP, AND I THINK THERE'S A HOUSE IN ANOTHER HISTORIC DISTRICT HERE THAT HAS THE SCORED PLASTER OVER A BRICK DOUBLE WIDTH WALL. 
          UM, SO HERE'S THE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT PEELING THAT OFF. 
          IF IT IS PORTLAND, IT'S GONNA DAMAGE THE STONE BEHIND IT SIGNIFICANTLY IN A HORRIBLE WAY. 
          UM, IF IT IS A LIME PLASTER, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT STORY. 
          UM, IN WHICH CASE A REPAIR AND ANOTHER LAYER OR ANOTHER, UH, WHAT DO YOU SAY? UM, YEAH, A THIN LAYER OVER IT MIGHT BE SUFFICIENT, BUT, UM, THE COLLEGIATE DOES NEED TO BE ENCAPSULATED. 
          IT DOES NEED TO BE PROTECTED. 
          I THINK THE SANBORN MAPS, UM, LABEL HOUSES OF COLLEGIATE AS ADOBE, BECAUSE STRUCTURALLY THEY NEED THAT SAME LIME PLASTER PROTECTION. 
          SO, UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT ADOBE, BUT IT'S A SOFT MATERIAL THAT REQUIRES A LIME PLASTER PROTECTION. 
          I WOULD BE, UM, I, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS ARE FINE, UH, BUT I WOULD ENDORSE, UM, PROTECTING IT, PROTECTING THE COLLEGIATE, UM, IN SOME WAY, SOME WAY FASHION OR, UH, WAY, AND I GUESS THAT, TO ME, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE CURRENT COVERING IS. 
          IS IT PORTLAND OR IS IT LIME PLASTER? THAT'S WHAT THAT DECISION HINGES UPON. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN I, I APOLOGIZE, CAN I, UH, CAN I RE UH, CAN I SPEAK TO THAT COMMENT, MA'AM? YES, SIR. 
          SURE. 
          UH, UH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN THAT THE COLLEGIATE NEEDS TO BE, UH, PROTECTED. 
          UM, AND I THINK YOUR COMMENTS WERE DEAD ON. 
          UM, I THINK MY CONCERN AS AN ARCHITECT IS THE AESTHETIC OF THE FRONT FACADE. 
          AND SO IF WE WERE TO, UH, COVER THAT FACADE, UM, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO, UM, STUCCO OVER THE EXISTING, UH, ASHLER BLOCK APPEARANCE, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, MATCH THE EXISTING SMOOTH STUCCO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, UM, WHILE STILL PRESERVING THE INTEGRITY OF THE COLLEGIATE BLOCK WALL BEHIND? YEAH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S PORTLAND, UM, BECAUSE, UM, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO COME BACK AND REVERT THAT THE, THE LIME PLASTER WOULD SEPARATE EASILY OR MORE EASILY FROM THE PORTLAND, UM, SO YEAH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? SKIMM CODE OF SOME SORT MIGHT BE YES, MA'AM. 
          ALL IT MIGHT BE ALL THAT IT TAKES. 
          OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR WOOD TRIMS, YOUR WINDOW TRIMS TO SEE HOW THAT ALIGNS AND, AND FLUSHES OUT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA SAY THAT EVEN, UM, EVEN THAT LAYER OF LIME, UM, I'M SORRY, THAT LAYER OF LIME PLASTER ADDS A LITTLE BIT OF OUR VALUE AND WEATHERPROOFING TO THE INSIDE TO, YES, MA'AM. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I, I HAVE, UM, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND CARPENTER HERE. 
          CAN YOU DESCRIBE TO ME THE RELATIONSHIP OF THAT, UH, FACADE MATERIAL WITH THE, UH, PORCH SURFACE? UH, IN WHAT WAY, SIR? DOES? BECAUSE THE, THE PORCH HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND IT'S, IT'S CAST IN CONCRETE. 
          I, IS IT CAST OVER THE FACE OF THESE PIECES, OR ARE THE, ARE, IS THE COINING REMOVED WHERE THE CONCRETE COMES AGAIN AGAINST IT? IS IT, IS IT KIND OF CLEAR HOW THE, UH, COINING RELATES TO THE CONCRETE DECK? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AS, 
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UH, AS FAR AS I COULD OBSERVE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A SMALL, UM, ALMOST LIKE A REVEAL AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FACADE, WHICH I BELIEVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THIS ASHLER VENEER SITS ON TOP OF THE CONCRETE SLAB, AND THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S CONTEMPORARY WITH THE CONCRETE SLAB, OR NOT REALLY? NOT NECESSARILY. 
          I AM, I'M UNSURE, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT SINCE THE PORCH ITSELF IS NOT HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE, THAT THIS FACADE WAS A LATER ADDITION AS WELL. 
          THAT'S NOT HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I'M A LITTLE BIT ON, ON THE FENCE ABOUT HOW TO RESOLVE THIS ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, I SUSPECT IT'S PROBABLY NOT, YOU KNOW, THE MOST ORIGINAL THING AND COULD HAVE BEEN MODIFIED LATER. 
          THAT'S VERY LIKELY. 
          UM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A NEW PLASTER COATING GOING OVER THAT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, UH, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND POINT OF ORDER, CAN WE JUST RESTATE, GET A RESTATEMENT OF THE MOTION? YES. 
          UH, IS A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AS PRESENTED, AS PRESENTED AS SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT WITH UNCONTESTED RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF, WHICH IS ONE AND THREE, RIGHT? MS. CHAIRMAN? UM, IF I MAY HAVE A, A, A FOLLOW UP COMMENT, SIR. 
          UH, THERE WAS THE, UH, THE COMMENT OF, YOU KNOW, TRUST THE WISDOM OF THE DESIGN TEAMS. I'M GONNA TRUST MY OWN EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE DEALT WITH PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA, AND THEY'VE HAD FO FINISHES APPLIED TO THEM HISTORICALLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS AN HISTORIC TREATMENT OR NOT. 
          AND, UM, I, I THINK THE, THE COMPOSITION OF THAT TREATMENT IS IMPORTANT IN CONTEMPLATING THE APPROPRIATE INTERVENTION HERE, WHETHER IT'S REMOVAL OF THAT OR WHETHER IT'S ENCAPSULATION. 
          UM, SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST HERE, BUT THAT THERE'D BE A FOLLOW-UP, UH, TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DUE DILIGENCE ON THE HISTOR HISTORICITY OF, OR LACK OF HISTORICITY OF THIS MATERIAL. 
          AND WHAT ITS COMPOSITION IS, UM, IF I WERE HIRED TO DO THIS, I'D BE GETTING THE SAMPLE OFF AND FINDING OUT WHETHER THERE'S PORTLAND CEMENTED IN IT OR WHETHER THERE'S LIME PLASTER AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BASED UPON THAT KNOWLEDGE. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST TRUSTING, IT'S BASING IT UPON EXPERTISE THAT'S INFORMED BY KNOWLEDGE. 
          SO I WOULD SAY, UM, I WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION WITHIN AN, UH, AMENDMENT THAT THE APPLICANT CONTINUED TO WORK WITH O H P ON FINDING HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE TREATMENT FOR THAT MATERIAL, WHETHER IT IS ENCAPSULATION OR REMOVAL BASED UPON FURTHER INVESTIGATIONS, BOTH PHYSICAL AND ARCHIVAL. 
          MR. CHAIR, UH, ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S AN AMENDED MOTION? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND, MR. CHAIR? I SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          NOW. 
          DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? WELL, I, UH, I, UM, WAS WANTING TO COMMENT ON ACCEPTING THE, UM, AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THE WAY THAT IT WAS BEING DISCUSSED. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS ARE, UM, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE MOTION HAVING, OR THE ORIGINAL MOTION, RIGHT? HAVING AN ELEMENT OF, OF, UH, IN, UH, INSPECTION, UH, FOR, UM, DISCOVERY, UH, OVERLAID, UH, ON, ON THE, ON THE MOTION ITSELF, MY ONLY, UH, VISUAL OBSERVATION IS THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD PICTURE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT KIND OF PEELS BACK THE LAYERS OF, OF SITE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? NOT JUST BUILDING DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE OVERARCHING, UH, KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE, HAVE OCCURRED OVER TIME THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED, INCLUDING THE LITTLE CYCLE AND FENCE. 
          AND AS YOU WALK IN AND THEN YOU, YOU GET TO THE CONCRETE AND 
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THEN YOU SEE THE PLATFORM UNDERNEATH THE COLUMN. 
          THERE'S ALL THESE LITTLE VISUAL CUES. 
          BUT I, I DO THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S VERY SENSITIVE IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOME, THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE BEHIND THIS, UM, THIS PLASTER THAT IS, UM, UH, UM, UH, THAT, THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE, UM, ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE TRUTH OF IT ALL IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ROCKET SCIENCE THOUGH, RIGHT? SO COMMISSIONER  IN SUPPORTIVE YOUR, OF YOUR, OF YOUR AMENDMENT, I JUST, UH, UH, UH, UH, AM, UH, LAMENTING THE LAWS OF FRIENDLY, UH, AMENDMENT PROCESS AND THE CAMARADERIE THAT IT CREATES, BUT I'LL BE, UH, BEHIND YOU. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, MR. CHAIR? UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          I BELIEVE, UH, VICE CHAIR CARPENTER, COMMISSIONER SINO, AND COMMISSIONER FISH HAVE BEEN RECOVERED IT. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. 
          IF YOU COULD GO PLEASE TO SLIDE NUMBER 12 AND ZOOM IN ON THE DOORWAY. 
          GO CONTROL SCROLL WHEEL OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO THERE, AND SCROLL DOWN AND ZOOM IN SOME MORE ON THAT DOORWAY, PARTICULARLY TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE PICTURE. 
          I THINK YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, UH, OF THAT ORIGINAL, UH, OR WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE FACADE THERE PEEKING THROUGH. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE THERE? CAN YOU SEE IT ON THE RIGHT ALONG THE COLUMN THERE, RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE? , IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN ON THAT THERE, KEEP GOING. 
          GO TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT. 
          I SAW THAT AND I FIGURED IT'D BE, UH, PERTINENT. 
          I DO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INDEED, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY SAY IT IS AND FOR HISTORICAL ACCURACY. 
          SO, UH, I, I CAN'T, I CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT PICTURE THERE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO THROW SAND INTO THE, INTO THE GEARS HERE, BUT THESE ADOBE STRUCTURES ARE GREAT GYMS DOWN IN THIS AREA, AND, UM, THAT'S WHY I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CAUTION, A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH INTO THIS. 
          UM, I THINK THE APPLICANT MAY BE, UH, SUGGESTING VERY APPROPRIATE APPROACH TO THIS. 
          I HAVE MY DOUBTS ABOUT THE HISTORICITY OF THAT PARTICULAR TREATMENT, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF AN EARLIER, UM, ATTEMPT TO SORT OF MAKE THE, A VERY HUMBLE STRUCTURE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, GRANDIOSE. 
          AND THAT WAS NOT UNUSUAL, UH, IN THAT AREA. 
          SO I, I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CAUTION HERE, AND I THINK, UH, EVENTUALLY WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, I THINK THIS APPLICANT CAN INFORM THEIR, UH, THEIR CLIENT INTO THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION. 
          AND, UH, WE CAN PRESERVE A, A REALLY GREAT ASSET FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD, UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE AMENDED MOTION, AND AS PART OF THE INVESTIGATION, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, THE ARCHITECT AND THE APPLICANT TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE COMPOSITION OF THE EXISTING STUCCO, UH, IF IT'S FOUND TO BE, UM, LIME PLASTER, AND POSSIBLY VERY POSSIBLY ORIGINAL, THEN, UH, DO SOME, UH, PAINT SCRAPINGS TO SEE WHAT THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN PAINTED. 
          ORIGINALLY IT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE OF A, UM, A YELLOWISH COLOR TO BLEND WITH THE, UH, CALICHE AND THERE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN SUCH HIGH CONTRAST BETWEEN THE, THE, THE STONE LOOK AND THE MORTAR JOINTS. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE, UH, OR I WOULD SUGGEST THAT BE PART OF YOUR INVESTIGATION. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD, UH, CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          GIBBS AYE FISH, AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER, AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LOOK 
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FORWARD TO. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING OUT WHAT Y'ALL DISCOVER. 
          AGENDA ITEM 22, JUST A QUICK REMINDER THAT ITEM 21 1 14 DEBERRY WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          ITEM 22 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 2 18 6 15 NOLAN STREET, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT, UH, 300 AND SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 316 FOOT SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF TO MATCH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A ROOF FORM THAT TIES INTO EXISTING ADJACENT ROOF FORM TO CREATE A SMOOTH TRANSITION COMPARABLE TO THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ONE OVER ONE WOOD SASH WINDOWS THAT RELATE TO THE SIZE OF WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AND THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A WOOD DOOR. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, EDWARD ESTRADA IS ON THE LINE AND HE PREVIOUSLY INDICATED HE CONSENTS TO, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THE, THAT WE APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          OH, WE, WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL TOO. 
          SORRY, SORRY. 
          OH, WAIT, ONE WHAT? HOLD ON ONE MS. MINUTE, MR. ESTRADA, I'LL BE RIGHT WITH YOU. 
          HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH TWO 18, LOCATED AT SIX 15 NOLAN STREET. 
          WE'RE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THIS ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER BEHIND THE EXISTING HOUSE IS SUPPOSED TO GO. 
          CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING STRUCTURE LOCATED THERE, WE DON'T THINK THERE'S ROOM TO ADD YET ANOTHER 300 6316 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, PLEASE SEE ATTACHED GOOGLE PHOTOS IN OUR EMAIL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I MOVE THAT THE REQUEST BE APPROVED WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          UM, WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION. 
          CERVANTES, NO CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO PROCESS THE, THE COMMENT THAT WE JUST HEARD FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC AND, AND, UH, THE SITE SETTING ON THIS ONE. 
          I APOLOGIZE, I NOT LOOKED AT THIS CASE THAT CLOSELY AND PASS ON COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO COMMENT SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER, UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS I'M GLAD THAT IT'S SEPARATED FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IN THE BACK AND IT'S, UM, IT WAS LOOKED LIKE IT WAS CAUGHT AS A VIOLATION 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT AND IT'S ALWAYS A UNFORTUNATE THING, BUT LET'S GET THE RIGHT WINDOWS IN THERE, THE RIGHT ROOF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? OKAY, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE MOTION. 
          SO I CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE ES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 23. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 93. 
          ADDRESS, 3 0 5 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN REGARDING FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE EAST FACADE. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO ENCLOSE THE MIDDLE WINDOW BAY ENTIRELY, RATHER THAN IN SOFT FRENCH DOORS. 
          AS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, THE APPLICANT HAS NOTICED INSTALLATION OF THE DECORATIVE FOUNTAIN AS AN OPTION. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, INSTALL A PAIR OF FRENCH DOORS ON THE EASTERNMOST DOOR BAY AT THE FRONT FACADE TO MATCH THE PROFILE OF THOSE ON THE EAST FACADE. 
          AND THREE, REPAIR DAMAGE PLASTER TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME WITH INKIND MATERIALS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN BASED ON FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS, RECOMMENDS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN BE ADHERED TO, WHICH FEATURES DOOR OPENINGS 
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IN EACH BAY. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING F STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO BASED ON FINDING G. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING FRONT FRONT FE STATION PATTERN BE MAINTAINED AS NOTED IN FINDING F. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REPAIR AND MEETINGS AT THE FACADE WITH INKIND MATERIALS BASED ON FINDING H AND THE APPLICANT. 
          JORDAN WEXLER AND DESIGNER CHRISTO METAL ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. 
          MS. WEXLER, ARE YOU THERE? OH, YES WE ARE. 
          ALRIGHT, THIS IS JORDAN WEXLER. 
          AND, HI, I'M CRYSTAL ROMERO. 
          UH, MAY I PROCEED? UH, YES, YOU MAY PROCEED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THIS IS JORDAN LER COMMISSIONERS, UM, AS A RE AS A RESIDENT OF FOR 12 YEARS, I GREATLY APPRECIATE PRESERVATION OF, OF, OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR HEARING THE ISSUES THAT HAVE LED TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. 
          UM, WE DIS WE DISAGREE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ONE AND TWO. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ORIGINALLY PERMITTED PROPOSAL WAS SUBMITTED ALONG WITH OUR LANDSCAPING, UH, AND IT WAS PRIOR DISCOVERY AND CONSTRUCTION . 
          UM, PRIOR TO FINDING OUT THE LANDFILL WERE, UH, THE BELKNAP WING WERE TERMITE DAMAGE AND PRIOR TO QUOTING AN ACTUAL DESIGN FABRICATION WERE CONSIDERED WERE THE DOOR DESIGN. 
          UM, SO WE, UH, I I'LL THE FOLLOWING, UM, EXPLAINED THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND OUR DESIRE TO MODERNIZE THE TOWN DESIGN BY CARLTON ADAMS OF HOUSE AND CORRECT THE ISSUES OF ACCESSIBILITY AND QUALITY THAT WE ENCOUNTERED PURCHASING AND GOING THROUGH DISCOVERY OF CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. 
          SO ONE IS ACCESSIBILITY. 
          THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR OF THE, OF THE HOUSE IS ON MULTIPLE LEVELS. 
          UM, THE BELL NAP WING, UH, WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL PORCH WING, WAS A STEP DOWN AND THE ONLY DOWNSTAIRS POTTER ROOM WAS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO THE OPPOSITE THE WEST SIDE. 
          AND IT WAS THREE STEPS DOWN FROM THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM LEVEL. 
          THE HALF BATH WAS NOT ACCESSIBLE DUE TO BEING ON ITS OWN LEVEL AND, AND ITS MINUSCULE SIZE. 
          MY SICK HUSBAND COULD HARDLY FIT IN THERE, UM, BY MOVING A, BY MOVING THE BATHROOM TO THE  AND BY RAISING THE FLOOR, THE BATHROOM IS NOW WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE WITH NO STEPS IN THE BACK ENTRANCE. 
          UM, HE SOLVED ANOTHER ISSUE BY BEING ABLE TO MOVE THE BATHROOM INTO THE, YEAH, THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE . 
          UM, BY MOVING THE POWDER ROOM, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, ACTUALLY INSTALL BACK INTO THE ORIGINAL PORCH WING WHERE IT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN. 
          UH, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT PENETRATING THE ORIGINAL EXTERIOR WALLS, UH, OF THE HOUSE. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAD A CONSTRAINT, UM, IN THE LOCATION OF THE POWDER ROOM, UH, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE HOUSE HAS DOORS, UH, FRONT, BACK, AND EAST AND WEST SIDES LEAVING NO OPTION BUT COVER A DOORWAY. 
          NO WHAT WITH A BATHROOM? UM, THE, UH, THE BELL N WING ARCHWAYS, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UM, THERE ARE FIVE OPENINGS, IF YOU WILL, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PICTURE WITH BEAUTIFUL CORNES CORN TO S UH, THE ONE OPENING IS SEEING WEST KINGS HIGHWAY ARE, UH, FACING BELKNAP AND ONE IS SIDE OF THE, UH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, I SUPPOSE, IN MY BACKYARD. 
          UM, THE, THE ONE THAT WE PROPOSE TO, UH, IN, IN INFILL WITH, WITH PLASTER, UM, THE OBVIOUS REASONING THAT I'VE DESCRIBED AS THE PLACEMENT OF THE POWDER ROOM THERE. 
          UM, AND LET'S SEE, UH, RIGHT, THERE'S YOUR DESIGN. 
          THE BACK WINDOW, UM, OR ARCHWAY WAS ACTUALLY AN ARCHED SINGLE PANE WINDOW, UH, NOT HISTORIC, UH, WITH INFILL AROUND IT. 
          AND THE FRONT, UH, OPENING WAS NOT HISTORIC. 
          UM, 
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THE FRENCH DOORS, BUT DO NOT COR, UH, CORRELATE OR CORRESPOND TO ANY OF THE DESIGN IN THE DOORS EXISTING IN THE HOUSE, NOR DO THEY CORRELATE WITH THE, UH, SORT OF  WING PORCH, UH, OR ORIGINAL PORCH DESIGN. 
          UM, SO BY, BY, BY FOLLOWING, UH, OR, OR BY DOING WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED, ONE, WE WOULD REGAIN THE FEEL OF THE BELNAP WING, UM, OF SORT OF A  AT PURCHASE TIME. 
          THE WING WAS SEPARATED ACTUALLY IN, INTO TWO BY A WALL, WHICH INTERSECTED IN THE MIDDLE WINDOW. 
          SO THAT MIDDLE WINDOW AS IT, IT, IT APPEARED TO BE A MIDDLE WINDOW, BUT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT ACTUALLY WAS NOT. 
          UM, SO BY REMOVING THE INFILLED WALLS AT THE FRONT BACK AND THE TWO SIDES TO THE THREE A BENA AREA, WELL ACTUALLY REGAINED THE LIGHT FLOW OF BONE OF, OF HOUSE. 
          UM, IT'LL RESTORE THE, RESTORE THE INTENTION OF THE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR FLOW OF THE TOWARD BELL NET. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE WILL, OF COURSE, UH, AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, HAVE THE COURTYARD ADDITION. 
          UM, WE ARE HOPING TO CREATE UNIFORMITY IN THE TREATMENTS AS DESCRIBED. 
          THERE WERE, UH, FOUR TREATMENTS TO FIVE WAYS, UM, AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TWO. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT ONE, UH, A LAST CONSIDERATION IN WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS THE DESIGN OF THE DOORS. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A, A RIGOROUS, UM, PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING AND QUOTING AND DESIGNING. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH MANY DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS OF DOORS AND WHAT WHAT I NEED FOR EVERYBODY TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT EACH CORNICE AND  WAY IS, IS UNIQUE. 
          SO IT HAS TO BE HANDED BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT OPENING. 
          UM, THE DESIGN OF THE DOORS, UH, HAS BEEN SELECTED TO RESTORE THE HISTORIC, THE HOUSE AND RESPECT EXPERIENCE OF A TWO STORY PORCH. 
          UM, COST TO EACH DOORWAY, EXPENSIVE EACH COSTS, UM, UH, IT WOULD $15,000 INSTALLATION, UH, PLASTERING MIDDLE SECTION SOLVES FOR THE FOLLOWING. 
          UH, DEATH WOULD REDUCE THE COST OF THE BY 1 CENT. 
          UH, THE DOORS WOULD BE UNUSED COVERED WHEN THE TREATMENT, AND FOR REASONS, SEE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A BATHROOM THROUGH, THROUGH OUR COURTYARD. 
          THE ADDITIONAL COST OF THE WINDED TREATMENT COURSE IS, IS AN ADDITIONAL COST. 
          AND THE APPEARANCE FROM THE EXTERIOR WOULD LACK THE ELEGANT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UNIFORMITY. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF THE WIND. 
          AND WITH RESPECT TO AN ITALIAN DESIGN, WE ENVISIONED, UH, EXTERIOR OF THE, OR FILL IN WALL, PLASTER WALL MAYBE WITH THIS SMALL FOUNTAIN. 
          WHAT IS, UH, WHAT A, UM, I HAVE RECEIVED A COMMENT FROM NEIGHBORS AND I WANNA QUOTE NEIGHBOR, UH, HENRY OZ, UH, HERE. 
          HIS STATEMENT AND I QUOTE, WHILE I HAVE RESIDED IN STORE FOR 30 YEARS AND MY HOME BEEN OF FAMILY MEMBERS FOR THAT JUAN VISTA WAS . 
          THE CHANGE MADE TO YOUR HOUSE, AWKWARD, BOTH INSIDE AND OUT TO DATE OUR RECOLLECTION EXECUTED IN THE SEVENTIES. 
          UM, AS YOUR NEXT NEIGHBOR AND THE PERSON MOST IMPACTED BY THESE CHANGES, I HAVE ZERO  ABOUT YOUR PROPOSED. 
          I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE, AWARD WINNING ARCHITECTURAL FIRM COMPANY, UH, THAT LEFT FOR ALMOST DECADES. 
          PLEASE FORWARD THIS COMMUNICATION IN WHATEVER MANNER APPROPRIATE TO HELP PROVIDE THE REVIEW OF YOUR PLANS. 
          SO, UM, UH, IT'S OUR HOPE PAY THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR, UH, FOR THE, FOR AN ADDITIONAL, UM, SET OF DOORS AND WINDOW TREATMENT. 
          UM, IT IS ALSO OUR HOPE THAT THE FRONT, UH, DOOR, UM, THE FRONT OPENING, UH, BE APPROVED WITH A DOORWAY THAT MATCHES. 
          UM, AND YES, I, I THINK THAT MORE OR LESS, UH, PRESENTS OUR OUR CASE. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT, UM, WOULD YOU ADD, PLEASE? THE HOUSE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE ON ALL EXTERIOR SIDE, UM, IT HAS SEVERAL OPENINGS, WHETHER THEY'RE NOT, UM, ALL THE WAY TO THE HOUSE AND THE HOME. 
          SO REALLY WASN'T ANOTHER LOCATION 
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TO, TO PUT THIS BATHROOM. 
          UM, REALLY FILLING IN DOORS OR WINDOWS. 
          SEEMS OUR ONLY OPTION JUST WAS THE WALL TO, UH, PUT PLUMBING ON TO PUT THIS BATHROOM ON. 
          UM, THERE IS CURRENTLY A BATH, UM, BUT IT IS FOURTH DOWN AND THE GOAL IS TO GET A BATHROOM ON THE SAME MAIN LEVEL HOME. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOPING, UM, INFILLING THE MIDDLE UNIT THAT FACES BELT NOW BELT NOW, WHICH, WHICH WILL FACE A COURTYARD. 
          IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FROM PREVIOUS, I THINK IT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. 
          IT WAS A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. 
          UM, AND THEN IN FINDINGS KEY, UM, IT, IT'S CURRENTLY CALLED OUT THAT IT AFFECTS THE EXHIBIT RIGHT AWAY THAT, UM, COURTYARD FENCE DOES. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK MAYBE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER TWO FEET WOULD SHOW THE TOP OF THE, THE DOORWAYS, UM, OVER THIS PRIVACY FENCE. 
          SO WE ARE HOPING THAT THE MIDDLE, INSTEAD OF SEEING THE SIDE OF A SHUT OR ERY OR SOME OTHER PANEL, UH, IT MIGHT BE MORE ARCHITECTURAL SEED PLASTER WITH THE TRELLIS, SOME TYPE OF, SOME TYPE OF GREENERY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND  THAT, THAT INFO WILL NECESSARILY BE, UH, VIEWABLE FROM THE  ONCE THE YARD IS COMPLETE? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THE PLA AND TABLET, THERE'S ACTUALLY FIVE TOTALS. 
          SO THREE FACE, ONE PACE FACES THE FRONT, UM,  AND THE LAST ONE FACES, UM, THE BACK OF THE HOME. 
          WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN REPLACE WITH FOUR SETS OF, OF DOORS. 
          SO WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR THE FRONT FACADE TO BE, UM, REPLACED WITH THE DOORS AS WELL. 
          UM, CURRENTLY WHAT IT, WHAT IS THERE, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY MATCH THE SETS OF DOORS AND IT'S ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT SET. 
          IT'S DIVIDED COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL. 
          UH, THIS WAS ACTUALLY FILLED IN WITH PLASTER AND WE'RE TO JUST RESTORE IT TO LOOK LIKE IT WAS AN EXTERIOR. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SO YOU WANNA PUT THE, THE, THE GLASS STORES WITH THE LARGER SIDE LIGHTS JUST TO LET MORE LIGHT IN AND IT LOOKS MORE LIKE WHAT IT WAS, IT WAS A PORCH AND MATCHES THE OTHER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? YES, I'LL DO 'EM NOW. 
          THIS IS RYAN REED, CHAIR OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          I LIVE AT 2 4 2 WEST MILLWOOD AVENUE AND I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 3 9 3, LOCATED AT 3 0 5 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FEELS THAT THIS HOME WAS A PROMINENT CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE AND THAT FILLING THE CENTER PATIO OPENING WITH A SOLID WALL WAS SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE. 
          THEREFORE, WE SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THE OWNER ADHERE TO THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED DESIGN, WHICH CALLS FOR ALL THREE PATIO OPENINGS ON THE EAST FACADE TO BE ENCLOSED WITH CUSTOM WOOD FRAME FRENCH DOORS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I MOVE TO SEND THIS TO A SITE D R C JUST AS A STARTING POINT FOR THIS CONVERSATION TO LOOK FOR POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS TO THAT MOTION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          SO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UM, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          I I SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE SIGHT LINES AND FIGURE OUT JUST HOW IMPACTFUL THIS WILL BE. 
          UM, I SUPPORT THE NOTION OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING OUT THESE NON HISTORIC OPENINGS AND, AND GOING BACK TO THE, UM, THE FRENCH DOORS AS, AS ORIGINALLY, UM, PERMITTED. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT REALLY CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE MUCH BETTER. 
          YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT THAT WAS AN OPEN PORCH TO MAKE IT MORE TRANSPARENT WITH THE GLASS. 
          WITH THE GLASS, 
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I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE INFILL OF THE FOUNTAIN, UM, BEING, UH, KIND OF WORKING AT ODDS WITH THAT, UH, MOTIVATION OR THAT KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, RATIONALE WHAT IS TRYING TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. 
          BUT I, I THINK A D R C WOULD BE A GOOD, UH, PLACE TO SORT OF TEST THIS OUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I, I, UM, I DO SUPPORT THE, THE D R C VISIT, ALTHOUGH I, I WANNA JUST KINDA COMMENT THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO IT BEING ENCLOSED, I THINK IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IT IS WORKED ON A PROJECT THAT, THAT HAD A, A HISTORIC ARCHES AND THERE WERE BIG ARCHES AND THE SOLUTION WAS TO FILL 'EM IN WITH SOLID PLAIN GLASS. 
          SO IT WAS A QUITE AN EXPENSIVE OPTION, BUT, UM, IT, IT CELEBRATES THE ARCH IN ITSELF THE WAY THAT THAT, THAT IT WAS PROPOSED, UH, IN THE IMAGES, I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU THAT IT RUNS A RISK OF REALLY LOOKING LIKE AN OLD FIRE STATION BECAUSE, UH, IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF, UH, THE DIVISIONS GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF A, OF A KIND OF A, OF A GARAGE DOOR, YOU KNOW, OF A ROLLUP, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND THE CHARACTER OF A, OF A, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL OLD FIRE STATIONS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT THE SAME THING. 
          SO I THINK THE D R C GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY CONSIDER, UH, THAT YOU WANNA CELEBRATE IT AS A, IN THE WAY, AS AN OPEN , THAT THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT, BUT IT, IT MAY NOT BE THE WAY THAT YOU'RE THINKING. 
          UM, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, I AGREE A D R C WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, JUST A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE US ON THE SITE JUST TO, JUST TO WALK THROUGH THIS PIECE BY PIECE? IT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE TIME MAYBE TO LOOK AT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROPOSAL AS WELL, ALTHOUGH I, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE CASE. 
          I AM WILLING, UM, ALTHOUGH I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT. 
          UM, AND HOW LONG TIME DOES IT USUALLY STAND FOR? THE, WELL, THAT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT ON OUR SCHEDULE, BUT IT'S USUALLY VERY QUICKLY, LIKE MAYBE NEXT TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY OR THE ONE AFTER THAT. 
          BUT STAFF WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU. 
          I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A REALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND, AND IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO GIVE YOU THE DECISION THAT YOU WANT TODAY WITHOUT A SITE VISIT. 
          SO, UM, DO, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE THERE IF YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE PRESENT? YES. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I AM IN SUPPORTED OF THE RRC. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE D R C AS WELL. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION 'CAUSE I COULDN'T HEAR SO WELL, UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING, SO WITH THOSE THREE OPENING, YOU SAID ONE OF THOSE WAS GONNA HAVE A, A BATH, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? A BATHROOM OR A, A POWDER ROOM? IS THAT THE MIDDLE ONE THAT YOU WANNA YES. 
          SO THE, THE REASON THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, TO, TO, TO INFILL JUST THE MIDDLE SECTION IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO OTHER SPOT TO LOCATE A BATHROOM IN THE HOUSE. 
          SO PUTTING A VERY EXPENSIVE SET OF DOORS TO, UH, TO A BATHROOM THAT THEN WILL HAVE TO HAVE WINDOW TREATMENT SO IT WON'T LOOK CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER TWO. 
          UM, THAT IS, THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH THAT THIS IS A, UM, SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND I THINK HAVING A SITE VISIT WILL, UH, HELP INFORM US AS TO WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND WHAT THE, THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE. 
          SO, UH, I CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          GIBBS AYE, FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SO STAFF WILL GET WITH Y'ALL, UH, AND SET UP A, UH, SITE VISIT WHERE SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS WILL COME AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT DONE NEXT WEEK SO THAT WE COULD BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION IN TWO WEEKS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 24. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 24 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 92 ADDRESS, 3 25 MADISON STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR FOOT WOODEN FENCE WITH ORNAMENTAL CAPS AND A SLIDING GATE TO THE FRONT 
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AND SIDE YARDS OF THE HOME TO RESTORE THE PAIR OF SIX FOOT FENCE SALE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE WIRE FENCING AND WOODEN POST AND THREE CONSTRUCT A 10 FOOT WOODEN GAZEBO TO THE LEFT OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE FRONT YARD PRIVACY FENCE WITH ORNAMENTAL CAPS AND SLIDING GATE BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          A, THAT THE MECHANICAL APPARATUS BE SCREENED AWAY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, B, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY GATE AND FENCING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE BE SET BACK BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPAIR OF THE PROPERTY LINE FENCE BASED ON FINDING D AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FREESTANDING GAZEBO BASED ON FINDING E THE APPLICANT. 
          LEVI STONE KING IS ATTENDING IN PERSON AN ADJOURNMENT. 
          SO I WILL, UH, , I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          UM, I AM HERE TODAY REGARDING MY APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A FRONT YARD FENCE AT 3 25 MADISON, AND I WANTED TO PULL THIS ITEM FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THE STIPULATION ABOUT SETTING THE GATE IN THE FENCING ON THE SIDE YARD BACK BEHIND THE FACADE. 
          UM, SUCH A FENCE DESIGN WOULD ACTUALLY BE QUITE INCONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER FENCES IN, UH, THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD AND I BELIEVE WOULD BE ESPECIALLY UNUSUAL GIVEN THE RELATIVELY UNIQUE LAYOUT OF MY PROPERTY. 
          UM, I HAVE, UH, TWO LOTS THAT ARE DIVIDED BY A LONG DRIVEWAY, WHICH CREATES A LARGE, UH, SIDE YARD THAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THAT PHOTO. 
          AND SO A SETBACK AS PROPOSED WOULD, UH, AWKWARDLY DIVIDE THAT SIDE YARD AND WOULD ACTUALLY OBSCURE THE SIDE VIEW OF THE HOME MORE THAN A FENCE THAT FOLLOWS THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, I SURVEYED ALL OF THE HOMES ON MADISON KING, WILLIAM AND WASHINGTON AND THEIR SIDE STREETS, AND I FOUND 47 HOUSES THAT HAVE FRONT YARD FENCES. 
          AND OF THOSE 37 OR ALMOST 79% ARE DESIGNED SUCH THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS SET AT THE STREET AND IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE FRONT YARD FENCING. 
          UM, OF THOSE 37 PROPERTIES, FOUR OF THEM, AND THESE ARE THE ONLY FOUR LIKE MINE THAT HAVE DOUBLE LOTS, UM, WITH THE DRIVEWAY THAT DIVIDES THE SIDE YARD. 
          AND THOSE ALSO HAVE A FENCE THAT, UM, WITH THE GATE SET UP AT THE, UP AT THE FRONT BY THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, IN EACH OF THOSE CASES THERE'S NO SETBACK OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE. 
          THERE WERE 10 THAT DO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY GATE SET BACK, AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY FOUND WITH SMALLER HOMES, HOMES THAT ARE NEAR THE STREET THAT HAVE VERY SMALL FRONT YARDS, UM, AND HOMES THAT HAVE NARROW LOT LINE DRIVEWAYS OR SOME COMBINATION OF THOSE FACTORS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE STAFF MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU THE LIST THAT I PREPARED OF EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES AND, AND ALONG WITH THE PICTURES OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT I DO ALSO HAVE SOME COPIES OF THOSE OR WE COULD SHOW IT TO YOU ALL NOW IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THAT. 
          OH YEAH, THERE'S THE LIST. 
          UM, SO YEAH. 
          OH YEAH. 
          HERE, HERE WE GO. 
          OH, WELL I HAVE, UH, THE, THAT'S ONLY, THAT'S ONLY ONE COPY. 
          THERE'S MORE COPIES RIGHT THERE. 
          UM,  IT'S, IT'S OVERKILL, BUT I'M A CORPORATE LAWYER. 
          I CAN'T HELP MYSELF. 
          UM, . 
          SO, UM, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE LISTED THERE WITH EXHIBIT A I THINK ARE THE MOST, THE MOST PERTINENT. 
          THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE DOUBLE LOTS WITH THE DRIVEWAY RUNNING DOWN THE MIDDLE AND FRONT FENCING THAT, THAT ENCAPSULATES THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AS I SAID, THEY'RE ONLY ONLY FOUR OF THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE MORE VOLUMINOUS EXHIBIT B SHOWS ALL OF THE OTHER EXAMPLES OF OF FRONT YARD FENCES, UM, THAT, UH, THAT HAVE THE GATE THAT THAT RUNS WITH THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, I KNOW ALL THOSE STATISTICS ARE FASCINATING, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS THAT UNDERSCORE THE APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, GIVEN THE POSITION OF THE HOUSE ON THE LOT, IT, IT IS SET BACK QUITE A WAYS AND BECAUSE OF THE DOUBLE LOT YOU DO GET A VIEW, A LARGE VIEW OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          IF WE WERE TO RUN A FENCE SORT OF UP THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN BACK ACROSS FROM THE, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU WOULD LOOK INTO THE DISTANCE AND SEE A FENCE THAT WOULD SCREEN PART OF THE FACADE. 
          WHEREAS IF YOU HAD A FOUR FOOT FENCE THAT WAS NEXT TO YOU AT THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU COULD STILL SEE THE REST OF THE VIEW OF THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER PICTURE THAT HAS, THAT REALLY SHOWS THE, THAT UM, SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE SOMEPLACE IN THERE. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE EARLIER PHOTOS, UM, ADDITIONALLY I WOULD NOTE THAT COMING UP. 
          IT'S THE OTHER ONE. 
          YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          SO FROM THE SIDEWALK YOU REALLY CAN SEE THAT WHOLE VIEW AND WE WOULD END UP HAVING, AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS BEFORE WE CLEANED UP THE YARD, WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN PRETTY ROUGH SHAPE. 
          , UM, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE A FENCE THAT WOULD COME UP SOMEWHERE WHERE THAT DOWNSPOUT IS PROBABLY AND THEN COME ACROSS. 
          AND SO IT WOULD SORT OF, AS I SAID, AWKWARDLY DIVIDE THAT SIDE YARD. 
          UM, I NOTE ALSO THAT COMING UP MADISON STREET ON THE 400 BLOCK AND THEN THE 300 BLOCK, THERE ARE SIX HOUSES IN A ROW THAT HAVE SORT OF AN UNBROKEN FENCE LINE. 
          MINE WOULD BE THE SEVENTH, BUT 
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IF WE HAD THAT SETBACK, THERE WOULD BE A SORT OF A NOTCH IN THAT FENCE LINE. 
          AND I UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT HAVE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS LIKE, SORT OF ALL OF THOSE HOUSES IN A ROW. 
          THEY ARE SORT OF MIXED IN THERE. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PRACTICAL MATTER WHICH IS JUST THAT, THAT MY SIDE YARD, WHICH WE DO USE QUITE FREQUENTLY FOR NIECES AND NEPHEWS RUNNING AROUND AND DOGS AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF THING WOULD END UP DIVIDED SUCH THAT WE'D HAVE A DISUSED PORTION OF IT THAT WAS ORPHANED AWAY FROM THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO AVOID. 
          UM, I ALSO NOTE THAT THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS IN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THIS PROPOSAL. 
          THEY, THEY SUPPORT THE FENCES ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED AND THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES SIR. 
          I MOVE TO APPROVE, UM, ITEMS ONE WITH ONLY STIPULATION A, WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PUT THE GATE IN THE FENCE LINE WHERE YOU ARE PROPOSING IT, AND THEN ALSO APPROVAL ON ITEMS TWO AND THREE. 
          I SECOND MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION CARPENTER, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT MOTION AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A CASE BY CASE DISTRICT BY DISTRICT, UM, AND HOW WE TREAT THE FIXING. 
          AND I THINK THE APPLICANT MADE A GREAT, UH, CASE HERE FOR, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          COMMISSIONER VELA. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          NO, NO COMMENT SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE MOTION AND I JUST HAVE AN ASK AND THAT IS, AND IT TIES INTO THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION'S REQUEST TO, AND THAT THE GATE SWING INWARD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO DO A, A SLIDING, A SLIDING SLIDING JUST AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT, UM, BLOCKING RIGHT OF WAY AND SIDEWALKS ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          OTHERWISE, UM, SHOWING THE EXISTING, UH, CHARACTER, UH, OF YOUR PARTICULAR BLOCK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I JUST WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR STICKING WITH US THROUGH THIS. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE MOST THOROUGH GATE GATE REBUTTAL I'VE SEEN , SO I'M, IT'S FUN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I AM SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, CAN YOU RESTATE, CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION REAL QUICK ONE MORE TIME? I DIDN'T HEAR THE IN INITIALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU SAID IT. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESTATE IT? YES, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S, UH, APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE AS THE A IN THE LOCATION THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING. 
          UM, AND THEN THE REPAIR OF THE FENCE LINE AND THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE FREESTANDING GAZEBO. 
          SO, SO THE STAFF STIPULATIONS IN THE RECOMMENDATION ALL, ALL ACCEPT ITEM ONE B ALL ACCEPT ITEM ONE B. 
          OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK HERE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          AND YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, SIR? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH THE, UH, WITH THE MOTION. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
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