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ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
WE WILL CALL THE, UH, MONDAY, AUGUST 8TH, 2022 TAC MEETING TO ORDER.
WOULD STAFF PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL? MS. CARILLO HAYNES.
MR. GARCIA? PRESENT? MR. SIPES? HERE.
MS. FAIRMONT? MR. LEEMAN? HERE.
PRESENT? MR. MANNA? MR. CHERYL? MS. REED? HERE.
DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? A QUORUM IS PRESENT.
AND FOR THE RECORD, MR. ZUKI, JUST JOIN THE MEETING.
RIGHT? IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE GET DOWN TO NEW BUSINESS ON ANY ITEM? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT.
THE STAFF HAVE A PRESENTATION.
HI THERE, GONZALEZ WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
SO WE ARE HERE TO INTRODUCE A, UH, REQUEST FROM AN APPLICANT, UH, FOR A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW OR NOT, IT IS A ADOPTED COMPONENT OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
GENERALLY IDENTIFIES ALLOCATION OF MAJOR ROADS WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND ITS EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
UH, THE M T P ASSURES, UM, ADEQUATE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK THAT WORKS TO MOVE PEOPLE GOOD SERVICES.
UM, SO HERE IN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE IT IS, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST, UH, WHERE THIS GREEN CIRCLE IS AT, UH, THE NAME OF THIS MAJOR THOROUGHFARE SENIOR ROAD PLAN.
IT IS CONSIDERED A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE A REQUIRING 86 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.
IT IS ON THE OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY SEVEN MILES, UH, FROM THE CITY.
UH, TWO OF THE CLOSEST MAJOR ROADS IS, UH, TEXAS 16 SOUTH, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH LOOP, 1604, APPROXIMATELY THREE MILES TO THE NORTH.
THE APPLICANT IS GUSTAVO GONZALEZ.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 22 1 0 1 SENIOR ROAD.
THE REQUEST IS THE APPLICANT IS, UM, ASKING TO REMOVE A PROPOSED SEGMENT OF SENIOR ROAD, WHICH IS A SECONDARY ARTERIAL TYPE A REQUIRING 86 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AT THE SOUTH END PORTION OF THE PROPOSED ARTERIAL.
UM, THE PRO, THE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, IT'S SURROUNDED IN RED AND THE PORTION THAT IS SEEKING TO BE REMOVED, IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN, UM, BLACK AND YELLOW.
UH, THE REQUEST LIMITS IS ABOUT 101,200 FEET INTO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
MOST OF THE USES SURROUNDING THIS, UH, REQUEST ARE BRANCH LAND AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
HERE ARE SOME PICTURES SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
WE CAN SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, SENIOR ROAD LOOKING NORTH.
UH, THIS IS THE END OR THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPOSED PORTION OF THE SENIOR ROAD MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT AND THAT IS BEEN REQUESTED.
UM, AND THEN ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED SENIOR LOOKING SOUTH, SO INTO THE PROPERTY ZONE.
UH, HERE'S LU WEST AND LOOKING EAST.
SOME OF THE MAJOR FACTORS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED OR WERE CONSIDERED IN THIS
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IS THE AMENDMENT IS LOCATED AT THE END AND THERE'S NOT, UH, THE AMENDMENT REQUEST IS IN THE A T J.ANITA BUDS AT SCO COUNTY AT SCOS COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ANY CURRENT OR FUTURE PLANS NEAR SENIOR ROAD.
BELL COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO CONNECT ANY STREETS TO THIS ARTERIAL.
TECHSTAR DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO CONNECT EITHER TO, UH, TO THIS ROAD AT THIS TIME.
UM, OUR INNER DEPARTMENT'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND PLANNING ALSO DO NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT.
UM, IN OUR TIMELINE, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD OUR PUBLIC MEETING HELD ON AUGUST 4TH.
AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE HERE TODAY, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL OR TENTATIVE DATES, DEPENDING ON TODAY HOW IT GOES.
UM, IN OUR PUBLIC MEETING, WE HAIL, UM, WE HAD SIX MAILOUTS, UH, WRITTEN NOTICES AND ONE CITIZEN WAS IN ATTENDANCE AND DID NOT HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO THE AMENDMENT.
UH, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS PRESENTED AND WE'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? MM-HMM.
WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? CARE, MAYBE I MISSED THE FIRST PART.
WHO IS THE APPLICANT AND WHAT TRIGGERED THIS? JUST BECAUSE HE LOOKED AT A MAP AND DIDN'T WANT ON THERE? NO, SO THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE PRESENT AS WELL, UM, TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
BUT IT WAS TRIGGERED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A PLANNING APPLICATION.
UH, SHE HAS RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL USES, AND I BELIEVE COMMERCIAL, UH, USES AS WELL IN THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED THE M T P AMENDMENT.
SO THEY'VE SUBMITTED A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE YOU JUST NAMED A BUNCH OF USES THAT WOULDN'T BE IN A SINGLE PLATT.
UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME FORWARD? MEANING IN GENERAL CAT, THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF NO, NOT THE APPLICANT.
WE'VE ASKED KATT, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, WE, WE LITERALLY GOT THAT PICTURE IN THE PACKET.
SO WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT'S TRIGGERED IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO READ THE LOCATION MAP, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? SO WE'RE AVOIDING A DEAD END ROAD BY LEAVING AN EXISTING DEAD END ROAD.
HI, CATHERINE HERNANDEZ, INTERIM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO I STARTED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND SO THIS WAS ALREADY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRAIN HAD LEFT THE STATION WITH THIS AMENDMENT.
SO IT'S GIVEN ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TAKE THE FEEDBACK INPUT AS WE'RE LOOKING TO KIND OF STREAMLINE OUR PROCESSES, UH, RELATED TO MAJOR THIRD FOR PLAN AMENDMENTS.
SO I'LL TAKE THAT INPUT AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS GIVEN TO YOU, UH, ON THE ONSET SO THAT WAY YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE APPLICATION THAT'S IN, WHAT'S THE PROPOSED USES.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UH, TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR RELATED USES AND WHAT PLATT APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE IN REAL QUICKLY BEFORE THE APPLICANT STARTS.
CAN WE GET A BETTER IMAGE? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE OTHER THING THAT WAS AN ISSUE, WAS THAT THE IMAGE THAT WAS SENT TO US WAS INADEQUATE, UH, TO SHOW THE STRUCTURES AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AND THERE'S A WEDDING VENUE ON THIS ROADWAY TOO.
AND SO IF YOU LOOK THE, THE BLACK AND YELLOW ON THIS MAP KIND OF HIDES WHAT'S THERE.
SO IF WE COULD JUST GET GOOGLE EARTH AND MAYBE ZOOM INTO THIS AREA SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER, BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
I'M, UH, WITH G REEVES, ENGINEERING PROJECT ENGINEER.
UH, BASICALLY THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY, MONROVIA GLAND.
UM, SHE LOOKING TO US TO, UH, PLOT THIS, THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND BASICALLY SHE W IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO GET ALL THE SERVICES OF ELECTRICITY, WATER, AND HER SEPTIC SYSTEM, SHE NEEDS TO PLA UM, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, 86 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AS YOU CAN SEE, GOES BISECTS HER PROPERTY IN WHICH IN RED, AND IT GOES STRICTLY ALONG THAT BOUNDARY LINE ALL THE WAY TO THE ASCOS LINE.
SO THERE'S REALLY NO CONNECTION TO ATASCOSA COUNTY.
ATASCOSA HAS NO PLANS TO EXTEND THAT, THAT THOROUGHFARE.
AND SO IN, IF SHE WERE TO PLOT THAT, SHE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP THAT 86 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY, 86 TIMES, 1200 SQUARE FEET.
SHE SIMPLY WANTS TO REMOVE IT FROM THIS PLAT AND CERTAINLY
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THE REQUIREMENT TO, TO PLAT THAT PROPERTY AND TO ACTUALLY BUILD THAT ROAD.SO, UM, SHE'S, SHE'S BASICALLY LOOKING TO GET TO PLATT TO BE ABLE TO GET SERVICES TO HER PROPERTY.
UM, I WANTED TO EXTEND ON WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING.
I LIVE AT 22 1 0 1 SENIOR ROAD.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR SIX YEARS.
I HAVE A HUSBAND AND DOGS AND CATTLE AND DONKEYS AND ALL THE THINGS.
UM, WE CURRENTLY SELL CATTLE, RAISE CATTLE AND LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE TWO RECTANGULAR SQUARES ARE ON BEARER COUNTY, WHICH IS HALF OF WHAT I OWN.
THE WHITE LINE THAT DIVIDES IT IS THE ATASCOSA COUNTY LINE WHERE MY HOUSE LAYS AND ANOTHER BARN.
SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THE FRONT TWO BELONGED TO BEXAR COUNTY, IT ADJOINS TO ATASCOSA COUNTY.
IN ORDER TO GET TO MY HOME, I DRIVE UP THAT YELLOW AND BLACK CHECKERED LINE, CONTINUE ANOTHER QUARTER OF A MILE TO MY FRONT DOOR.
THE ROAD GOES NOWHERE BEYOND THAT.
BEHIND ME IS THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT I SAID THAT I OWN THE 40 ISH ACRES BEHIND THAT.
CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE A MARKER SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY? SURE.
CAN GET YOUR, CAN I GET YOUR ADDRESS? 2 2 1 0 1 SENIOR ROAD? I CAN, I CAN USE THIS RIGHT HERE.
UM, OR FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT.
CAN, CAN YOU DO FROM THE PODIUM SO THAT YOU'RE AT THE MICROPHONE USING THE LASER POINTER? OH, OKAY.
THIS, THIS MIGHT BE HARDER TO THIS IS HER, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
OKAY, I SEE NOW YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH.
SO THIS SCROLL BACK TO THE BE RIGHT LEFT.
OKAY, SO HERE IS WHERE WE SAW THE VANTAGE POINT.
RIGHT HERE WAS THE, THE WHITE CIRCULAR FENCE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS WHERE YOU GO INTO GET INTO MY PROPERTY.
CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONE CLOSER PLEASE? OH, I'LL START OVER.
SO HERE IS WHERE YOU SAW THE IMAGES.
THIS WAS THE PROPERTY WITH THE WHITE FENCE.
HERE IS WHERE I GO INTO, GO TO MY HOME.
AND THEN YOU SAW ANOTHER DIRT ROAD TO THE LEFT HERE.
SO WHAT THE CHECKERED LINE IS, GOES FROM HERE TO THIS LINE, THIS 86 FEET, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING GET REMOVED.
I AM PROPOSING THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU GO INTO MY PROPERTY HERE, YOU TRAVEL ALL THE WAY UP, ALL THE WAY UP, ALL THE WAY UP.
AND THEN TO MY HOUSE BEHIND IT IS WHERE WE GRAZE OUR CATTLE.
MY NEIGHBOR TO THIS SIDE HAS HORSES AND GOATS.
THERE IS NO RHYME OR REASON, I GUESS, UM, TO KEEP THE 86 FEET.
IT WOULD ONLY BE TAKING AWAY GRASS FOR MY COWS TO EAT.
UM, YOUR HOUSE, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE, IS IN ATASCOSA COUNTY.
AND THAT'S THE DRIVE THAT YOU GO UP TO THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTIES? YES, MA'AM.
SO THE, THE DIVISION IS ACTUALLY, IF YOU PAUSE RIGHT THERE, IT GOES SOMETHING LIKE HERE AT A ANGLE HERE AT A DIAGONAL, UH, THE COUNTY LINE IS THAT WAY.
SO CURRENTLY IT ENDS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN I HAVE A GATE, IF YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, MY GATE RIGHT HERE.
SO WE WOULD, WE ACTUALLY, PART OF THAT 86 FEET WOULD BE PAST MY GATE.
I WAS TOLD, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL, THAT THIS PLAN WAS DRAWN UP IN 1950 SOMETHING OR ANOTHER.
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I BELIEVE MAYBE THERE WAS PLANS AT THAT POINT AND IT JUST HASN'T BEEN CHANGED.IT HASN'T BEEN ALTERED SINCE THEN.
AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE SIX YEARS.
NO ONE AROUND ME IS PLANNING ON GIVING UP ANY OF THEIR GRASSLAND FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTAL PURPOSES.
HOW MANY ACRES IS YOUR PROPERTY? 73.
AND THE STATEMENT WAS, YOU'RE NEEDING TO PLAT THIS, WHAT IS THE AREA? SO YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM PLATTING AND CAN STILL GET UTILITIES AT THAT SIZE UNLESS YOU ARE SUBDIVIDING INTO MUCH, MUCH, MUCH SMALLER PIECES.
ACTUALLY, THE OTHER OFFICE DOWN THE HALL SAYS THAT I AM NOT GRANDFATHERED IN AND THAT I DO HAVE TO BE PLATTED.
UM, I CURRENTLY HAVE WELL WATER, UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE MY WELL IS YOU.
IT'S NOT A GRANDFATHER AND A GRANDFATHERING.
IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF PLATTING STATE STATUTE.
SO, BUT YOU'RE EXEMPT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT ARE THE USES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THAT ARE TRIGGERING A PLA WELL, WHAT TRIGGERS A PLA IS A SEPTIC FROM ENVIRONMENTAL AND IF SHE WANTS TO GET ANY WATER SERVICE FROM ANY UTILITY COMPANY AND, AND C P SS, IF SHE IS OVER 10 ACRES, SHE DOES NOT NEED ANY PLATTING FOR WATER OR SEPTIC.
WE ARE TRYING TO, IN THE, IN THE RECTANGLES HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO, OH, SO HOW MUCH OF THE PROPERTY IS IN, HOW LARGE IS THE PROPERTY WITHIN BEXAR COUNTY? SO THIS ONE IS 10 ACRES.
YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, THE PROPERTY THAT I OWN IS BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT PIECES.
SO I OWN 73 ACRES, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE SEVEN PARCELS.
SO ONE OF THE PARCELS IS LIKE EIGHT ACRES.
ONE OF THE PARCELS IS FIVE ACRES.
SO MAYBE THAT IS WHAT, BUT YOU STILL WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO PLAT BECAUSE OF THE ADJOINING AND ADJACENT LANDOWNER BEING THE SAME.
SO HE'S LOOKING INTO AS TO WHY LAND ENTITLEMENTS, UM, TOLD HIM THAT HE DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR A PLATT EXCEPTION, UH, TO DETERMINE WHY HE'S, WHY HE'S HERE.
BUT THAT'S FROM WHAT HE UNDERSTANDS IS THAT HE, HE UH, HE TALKED TO THEM, THEY SAID, NO, YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR A PLAT EXCEPTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED ALL OF THIS.
DIDN'T YOU ONLY TELL THEM THE ONE SEVEN ACRE PARCEL? IT, IT ACTUALLY, THERE WAS A, A A FIVE ACRE PIECE RIGHT OFF OF THAT RECTANGULAR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
WE WERE PAR PARTITIONING OFF THAT FIVE ACRES IS WHY THE, THE FIVE ACRES RIGHT, RIGHT OFF THE, WHY ARE YOU PARTITIONING OFF FIVE ACRES? WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I THINK SHE WANTS TO DEVELOP A PUT UP A WEDDING VENUE TO CLARIFY, THERE'S A BARN IT'S COMING OUT.
TO CLARIFY, THERE'S A BARN AGAIN, WE SELL CATTLE THERE.
PEOPLE, NEIGHBORS AND SURROUNDING PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MARRIED AT MY PROPERTY BEFORE IN ORDER TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE THIS COULD BE A THING.
I DO WANT TO AT SOME POINT MAKE IT A FULL-FLEDGED VENUE, BUT I'M NOT BUILDING, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
IT IS A CATTLE AND HORSE FARM.
SO MY STRUGGLE IS THAT TODAY AND NO TIME SOON, WILL ANYONE DO ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU KNOW L G I OR KB HOME OR D R HORTON OR SOME OTHER HOME BUILDER COMES KNOCKING, WE'VE NOW REMOVED THE THOROUGHFARE WITH NO CONVERSATION OF WHAT AND WHY.
AND THE REASON THERE'S NO COMPARABLE ROAD IN ATASCOSA COUNTY IS ATASCOSA WAS NEVER PARTICIPATING IN THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN THE WAY THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES DO BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ORIGINALLY IN THE M S A.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT AT SOME POINT IF A BUILDER WANTS TO COME AND BUILD, THEN THEY WOULD NEED THE 86 FEET? MOST LIKELY.
OR WE WOULD HAVE A T I A THAT SUPPORTS THE LAND USE AND THE ROAD SECTIONS.
BUT IF THAT DOES NOT CONNECT AND STILL WOULD LEAD TO NOWHERE, WHY WOULD THEY NEED MY PROPERTY? I'M NOT, OH, WE HAVE THOSE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WELL, I MEAN, WE USED TO THINK ROADS TO TACOMA COUNTY OR MEDINA COUNTY.
AND NOW IN GUADALUPE COUNTY, NOW THEY MATTER.
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I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW.THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE FOR, I MEAN, SIMPLE THING IS THIS COULD BE AVOIDED IF YOU'RE NOT CARVING OFF FIVE ACRES OR THE ROAD COULD BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THEM AND NOT PLATTED AT THIS TIME.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE HAVE A MAJOR THOROUGH FOR PLAN DESIGNED THAT GOES, THAT FEEDS DIRECTLY INTO HER PRIVATE DRIVE AND LEADS DIRECTLY TO HER FRONT DOOR.
UM, AND YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THIS, THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS CREATED PRIOR TO G I S EVEN EXISTED.
IT WAS A PAPER DOCUMENT THAT HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF COLOR MARKERS.
AND, AND THEN AS WE MOVED INTO G I S, UM, THEN IT WAS SORT OF TRYING TO DETERMINE THESE MARKER LINES AND TRYING TO PLACE THEM ON A G I S GRID.
AND THEY, THERE'S A LOT OF NO RHYME, NO RHYME OR REASON TO CREATING THAT MAP.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHERE THIS LEADS TO HER FRONT DOOR.
YOU KNOW, AND I TOTALLY AGREE.
WE DEAL WITH THIS ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OVER AND OVER AND OVER IN MANY CASES, WHAT WE, WE ALL TRY TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS GRAPHICAL ON A CRAYON.
I MEAN, IT'LL SHOW ROADS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF A FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S NOT, SHOULDN'T BE THE END ALL BE ALL, BUT WE WOULD TYPICALLY COME AND SAY, OH, WE THINK AMENDING IT TO WHERE THAT ROAD IS HALF ON HER PROPERTY AND HALF ON THE ADJACENT, STRAIGHT DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE IS THE FAIR AND REASONABLE PLACE TO PUT IT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IT THROUGH SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
AND PLATT, THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF REASONABLE THINGS BEFORE JUMPING TO, LET'S JUST TAKE IT OFF.
I WAS GONNA ADD TO THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT THE WEDDING VENUE THAT CAME UP WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE DETAIL MAP MYSELF FROM HOME.
AND SO I JUST WANT, FOR THE RECORD, IT SAYS THAT THERE'S A CIRCLE J RANCH WEDDING THAT HAS 47 REVIEWS, HAS AN ACTIVE WEBSITE.
SO THERE'S AN ACTIVE VENUE THAT'S ALREADY PROVIDING THESE SERVICES.
AND SO I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU WERE THE OWNER OPERATOR OF THIS BUSINESS ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO WITH THE CONFUSION OF THE MAP AND THE POOR QUALITY OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE STRUCTURES WERE, I THINK IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THIS COME FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHO THE APPLICANT IS, WHAT THE INTENTION IS, WHERE IT'S AT, WHERE IT WANTS TO GO.
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE FACT FINDING HERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WASN'T WILLING TO BE SHARED UP FRONT AND WE'RE LIKE PULLING IT OUT AND THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AT THIS POINT.
UH, WHAT IS THE NEAREST EAST WEST ARTERIAL? CAN YOU ZOOM UP ON THE MAP? OH, THE OTHER MAP.
SO IS THAT SMITH ROAD? SMITH ROAD AND SENIOR ROAD? OH, 1604 IS IT'S NORTH, UH, SMITH ROAD IS THE, IS THE, IS THE MOST CLOSEST ONE THAT GOES EAST WEST.
NO, EAST WEST CONNECTOR'S ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
SO SMITH AND EAST WEST CONNECTOR ARE BOTH ON THOROUGHFARE PLAN? YES.
NO, I WOULD GO BACK TO THE PD.
ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? JOE? YOU LOOKING FOR SIX? 6 0 4 I FOUR.
EVEN I DON'T SEE WHY WE REALLY NEED THAT PART OF SENIOR ROAD AS A THOROUGHFARE.
I CAN SEE IT CONTINUING AND STAYING AND EVEN ME MAYBE BEING AT A COLLECTOR STREET, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW DEVELOPMENT GOES.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY ARE WE GONNA DEAD END IT EVEN FURTHER? WHY DIDN'T WE STOP SENIOR ROAD AS A THOROUGHFARE UP AT SMITH ROAD 16? HAS A T I A BEEN SUBMITTED WITH THIS PLAT? IT'S NOT, CAN WE ZOOM OUT TO SEE WHERE 16 IS IN RELATIONSHIP? ARE YOU REQUIRED TO DO A T I A YEAH.
I WAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
THE T I A WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT.
TRIPS TO GENERATE A T I A WITHOUT YEAH.
LET, YEAH, LET ME JUST MINUTE.
WELL, WE, WE PROBABLY DID, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT MY, WHAT THE PORTAL SAID.
SO THE COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH IS A WEDDING VENUE WOULD PROB WOULD, WOULD BE
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BE THE ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS A A T I A, BUT IT HAS TO BE DETERMINED WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS.WELL, IF IT'S A WEDDING VENUE, HOW COULD IT BE A SINGLE FAMILY? T I A? WOULDN'T IT BE A SO THERE'S TWO PROP, THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES.
ONE, HE JUST, WHEN HE SAID THAT THEY'RE, UM, PLATTING A PORTION WHERE THE BARN IS AS ITS OWN LOT FOR A WEDDING VENUE IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S WHERE THE BARN IS, WHERE THEY HOUSE THE ANIMALS.
THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
THE OTHER PART IS THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO IF YOU ONE, IT'S ONE PLATT, CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE PLATTS ARE? CAN YOU SHOW US THE LIMITS OF THE SINGLE PLAT? YEAH, CAN WE SEE THE, YEAH, PULL UP THE P D F OF THE PLATT.
THERE YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
PLA SO YOU MIGHT WANNA SHOW THEM WHAT KIND OF DESCRIBE TO THEM, WHICH WAS WHICH, WHERE'S THE, HOW'S IT, HOW'S THIS THING WORK? SO IF AM I'M SEEING THIS CORRECT, WE'RE DOING LOT ONE, WHICH IS THAT RECTANGLE TO THE RIGHT OF THE THOROUGHFARE NOT TOUCHING IT.
AND LOT TWO IS THE REMAINDER AROUND IT.
SO WE'RE SAYING LOT ONE IS SINGLE FAMILY AND LOT TWO IS THE COMMERCIAL.
LOT ONE WOULD BE THE COMMERCIAL LOT.
SO IS THE, UH, THE LOT TO THE TO, UH, YEAH.
SO THE THE ONE TO THE TO THE WEST.
SO IS THERE A SINGLE FAMILY ON LOT TWO? YOUR HOUSE IS ON SOUTH? UH, THE UH, THE OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER BED NOT, YEAH, SHE'S OVER HERE.
YOU RE SHOW WHERE HER HOUSE IS.
HER HOUSE IS IS APPROXIMATELY DOWN IN HERE, CORRECT GUY.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN GOES FROM SENIOR ROAD ALL THE WAY ALONG THAT BOUNDARY LINE 1200 FEET DOWN THROUGH HERE AND, AND STOPS SHORT OF THE ATASCOSA LINE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PLA AN AN EASEMENT TO GET DOWN TO THESE TWO LOTS AND SO THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMPLY RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT THOROUGHFARE PLANT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO REMOVE IT.
PLUS 86 FOOT FROM THIS LOT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PROPERTY.
AND IT GOES, OBVIOUSLY ATASCOSA DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN TO EXTEND THAT THOROUGHFARE.
DIDN'T SHE SAY THIS IS ABOUT GETTING YOU TIP? WELL, UH, IT'S HER PROPERTY.
SO THE IDEA WOULD BE IN ORDER TO GET, IN ORDER TO GET ACCESS TO THIS LOT ONE SHE NEEDS, SHE'S, IF SHE EVER DECIDES TO SELL OR DO WHATEVER, SHE WOULD ACTUALLY NEED ACCESS TO THIS LOT ONE.
AND SO THERE WOULD BE AN EASEMENT DOWN TO AN, UH, INGRESS, EGRESS EASEMENT, IRREVOCABLE DOWN TO GET TO LOT ONE AND TWO.
IS THAT BEING PLATTED NOW? IS THAT WHAT THAT IS? YES SIR.
THIS IS BASICALLY THE, THE PLAT ITSELF.
AND DOES THAT MEET, THAT MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? UH, UH, YEAH, YOU ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY CAN HAVE GENERALLY 15 FEET, BUT YES SIR.
IT'S, IT'S NOW IT'S UH, 30 FEET.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE UTILITIES I CURRENTLY HAVE WELL WATER.
SO IF I WERE TO GET SAWS, I WOULD NEED THAT RIGHT AWAY.
I'M NOT, THIS ISN'T WHAT I DO EVERY DAY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? BOB? MICROPHONE, BOB
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ANYWAY, ANYWAY, THE LOT, THE, THE SECOND LOT, LOT TOO THAT YOU'RE SAYING RESIDENTIAL RESIDE I THINK OR DO Y'ALL HAVE A PROPOSAL TO ACTUALLY BUILD A PLATT RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND BUILD RESIDENTIAL HOMES? NO, WE DON'T.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PLAN WHATSOEVER TO DO ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
ANYTHING ALL OR ANY LARGE LOT SUBDIVISION.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS IN NACO COUNTY.
I MEAN BEAR SOUTH BEXAR COUNTY.
SO THERE IS NO REAL ZONING UH, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS IN, IT'S JUST O C L FOR ALL OF BEXAR COUNTY PRACTICAL PURPOSES.
BUT NO, SHE HAS NO DESIRE, CERTAINLY NO INTENT TO SPLIT THIS UP INTO LARGE LOT OR SMALL SLOT SUBDIVISION.
CAN I ASK, WE'RE STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THE PLATTING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE, AND CARE IS ACTUALLY PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW.
IF IF WHAT KARA WAS SAYING EARLIER, IF WE PUT LOT ONE AND LOT TWO AS ONE LOT, THERE WOULD NOT BE A PLATTING REQUIREMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK SHE PROBABLY WANTS TO SELL IT NOW.
LOT ONE AND LOT TWO ARE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW ONE SECTION I AM NOT PLANNING ON MOVING AND UPLIFTING MY CHILDREN FROM THEIR SCHOOL AND OR SELLING IT FOR ANY REASON.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT SORT OF COMMUNITY DO NOT WANT NEIGHBORS.
THAT'S WHY YOU BUY 73 ACRES, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT GONNA SELL IT AND GO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY DON'T ALLOW COWS IN YOUR BACKYARD OR HORSES OR DONKEYS OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO CURRENTLY THAT IS ALL ONE SECTION.
WE ARE DIVIDING OFF THE FIVE ACRES, WHICH IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL, IT'S ALREADY FENCED ALREADY HAVE A FENCE THERE SO THAT THE COWS CAN'T GO THROUGH IT.
WE JUST WANNA PLAT IT PROPERLY.
CAN STAFF PULL UP UNICODE? SO THIS IS NOW DANIEL HASLEY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER FOR PLATTING.
UM, SO THE, THE WEDDING VENUE HAS TO BE PLAID AT BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAID EXCEPTION FOR UNLI PROPERTY OUTSIDE, SAY LIMITS FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
SO THE THE SIZE REQUIREMENT FALLS OFF IF IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE THE SIZE REQUIREMENT FOR, WELL THERE'S IN THE CODE, THERE'S, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW I, THAT'S WHAT KARA'S PULLING UP.
IT'S EITHER A, ONCE YOU GET TO FIVE ACRES OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS, IT'S IT'S EXEMPT OR IT'S EITHER FIVE OR 10.
SO IN THE E T J, UH, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW UH, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S PLOTTING REQUIREMENTS AND THERE'S NO LIKE 10 ACRES OR FIVE ACRES.
YOU HAVE TO PLAT REGARDLESS, ESPECIALLY FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
OKAY, WE HAVE MUNI CODE PULLED UP.
IS THERE A SPECIFIC SECTION YOU WERE WANTING US TO GO TO? IT SHOULD BE IN THE PLAT EXEMPTION SECTION, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE.
REALLY READ IT FROM OVER HERE.
ONE'S LOOKING FOR THERE'S, WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT ARE WA OR SAWS, WATER AND SEWER SERVICES THERE AVAILABLE.
SO ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS DO HAVE SAUCE.
I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT IS LEFT WITH AN ANCIENT SEPTIC WELL WATER SITUATION.
SO, SO THAT RIGHT THERE, ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO IS SPECIFICALLY ITEM NUMBER TWO SAYS THE DIVISION OF LAND INTO PARTS GREATER THAN 10 ACRES IN THE E T J WHERE THE OWNER DOES NOT LAY OUT PART OF THE TRACK FOR STREETS, ALLEY SQUARES, PARKS OR OTHER PARTS OF THE TRACK INTENDED TO BE DEDICATED TO THE PUBLIC USE OR FOR THE USE OF PURCHASERS OR OWNERS OF LOTS FRONTING ON ADJACENT TO THE STREET, BLAH BLAH BLAH, SHALL NOT REQUIRE SUBDIVISION
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PLA.THE, SO THE ONE AND TWO IS JUST FOR SUBDIVIDING LAND.
IT'S NOT TO DO ANY UTILITY CONNECTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
OBVIOUSLY IN TEXAS YOU CAN JUST SUBDIVIDE LAND THROUGH DEEDS.
SO WE NEVER REALLY USE EXCEPTION ONE AND TWO BECAUSE YOU DON'T TECHNICALLY NEED TO DO THAT TO SUBDIVIDE THE LAND.
YOU CAN JUST DEED IT OUT AND DO MEETS AND BOUNDS.
SO THEN THE TRIGGER IS THE SEPTIC? YEAH.
SO THE SEPTIC PERMIT WOULD BE, COULD BE IT OR UM, FROM, I BELIEVE THIS SITUATION WAS SHE WANTED TO HAVE A BATHROOM AND, AND THE VENUE, SO SHE NEEDED CONNECTION TO A BUILDING.
UH, SO SHE TRIED TO GET A PLAID EXCEPTION.
UM, BUT SINCE IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL PLAID EXCEPTIONS OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS.
THE ONE AND TWO ARE JUST FOR SUBDIVISION OF LAND.
JULIA'S QUESTION WAS OKAY IF SHE DOES WANNA SELL OFF THE FIVE ACRE WEDDING VENUE, OKAY, BUT WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL OF TAKING THE ROAD OFF? FOR ME? ONE, IT'S JUST TRANSPARENCY IN THE APPLICATION, BUT TWO, IF WE'RE SELLING OFF THE FIVE ACRES, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE JUST DELETING A ROAD THAT THE JUSTIFICATION FOR DELETING AS IT GOES TO FARMLAND AND NOWHERE.
I MEAN WHEN WE STARTED MAJOR THOROUGHFARE AND PLATTING FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT IN THE COUNTIES, GUADALUPE COME OUT IN MEDINA, WE HAD THESE ARGUMENTS OF ROADS THAT WENT TO NOWHERE AND DEAD ENDS.
AND WE'VE COME BACK NOW AS GROWTH HAS PUSHED TO THEM WITH ISSUES OF WHY DON'T WE HAVE ROADWAYS INTO ADJOINING COUNTIES AND CONNECTIONS.
AND SO I'M OF THE PUT IT ON A PROPERTY LINE PLAT ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY WOULD SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT 'CAUSE THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR BUILDING A FOUR-LANE ROAD NOW.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE AND SAY, OH NO, WE TOOK THE ROAD AWAY.
WE CAN'T EVER BUILD ACCESS THROUGH HERE.
I MEAN THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE THOROUGHFARE IS TO PROTECT LONG-TERM FUTURE ACCESS WITHOUT IMMINENT DOMAIN AND ADDED EXPENSE.
SO ALONG THOSE LINES, IF THIS COMMITTEE DECIDES TO NOT REMOVE THE ROAD, CAN THIS COMMITTEE SAY TO MOVE THE ROAD TO BE, UH, ON TOP OF THAT PROPERTY LINE? IS THAT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW? SO YOU CAN MAKE AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHERE GOTCHA.
MY MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD THAT BE THAT WITH THAT WOULD BE IF WE LAY IT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, THEN WE'RE AFFECTING A PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THIS.
YOU MEAN OF THAT CORNER IN THE, THE NORTHEAST CORNER? THERE WE GO STRAIGHT DOWN THE BOUNDARY LINE.
THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST WOULD, WOULD BE NE COULD BE NEGATIVE EAST PETER VARGA THAT PROPERTY RIGHT TO PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
IN OTHER WORDS, HAVE A JACK TOWARDS THE EAST AND THEN GOING SOUTH.
IS THAT ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWN? WAS THAT THE ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE VIRTUAL MEETING? AND I DON'T WANNA SAY WASN'T HER NO FAIR.
YOU CAN HAVE A VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETING, BUT NOT THIS MEETING, HUH? NO, IT WASN'T HER IT WAS HIS NEIGHBOR.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SO WHAT IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW? THERE IS NO MOTION.
CAN I GO WITH A MOTION ON THE ALTERNATIVE ROAD TO THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED? UH, AND YOU, YOU CAN YES.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR MOTION?
I WOULD MOTION TO REALIGN IT ALONG THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE WITH THE ENTIRE THOROUGHFARE INSIDE THE CURRENT PROPERTY.
UM, YOU, SO YOU'RE SAYING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT YES, THAT DIVIDES THE UN PLATTED PORTION.
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WOULD YOU MIND POINT EXACTLY HOW IT GOES? I JUST GONNA GO, I DON'T WANT TO GO WITH THAT DESCRIPTION, JUST HOW YOU POINTED.SO MAYBE PUT UP, PULL UP GOOGLE EARTH INSTEAD OF THE PLAT NEXT TO THIS P D F.
SO YEAH,
AND THEN SHOW THE P D F ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO WERE YOU, SO DO YOU OWN, DO YOU OWN THIS RIGHT ALL? YEAH.
UHHUH, DO YOU OWN THIS ONE? NO.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING IT THIS WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE, BUT I OWN THAT PART AS WELL.
SO THAT RED LINE WHERE YOUR CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE THE EASTERN RIGHT OF WAY EDGE OF THE ROAD.
SO THE ROAD WOULD BE 86 FEET TO THE WEST OF THAT.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD IF WE ZOOM IN.
THAT'S RIGHT WHERE HER HOUSES ARE.
I THOUGHT THE HOMES WERE DOWN.
BUT WHAT ARE THOSE STRUCTURES? NO, SO THIS, SO HER HOUSE, YOUR HOUSE IS DOWN HERE.
SO YOU'RE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SHIFTING IT THIS WAY.
LIKE STRAIGHTENING IT OUT IS WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GO AHEAD.
I KNOW IT, IT MAY BE HARD TO VISUALIZE EVEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PICTURE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING OF RURAL PROPERTY, YOUR LINES AREN'T STRAIGHT ROADS, THEY'RE WAGON TRAILS.
SO THE WAY THIS LOOKS IS AS THOUGH IT'S A HUGE VEER OFF TO ONE SIDE, BUT IT'S NOT
IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY STRAIGHT UPHILL GOING TOWARDS MY HOUSE.
ALSO THE, THE WHOLE RECTANGLE THERE I OWN.
LET'S STOP FOR A MOMENT AND THINK TO OURSELVES, IF I WERE TO SECTION OFF THAT FIVE ACRES.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE DONE.
OKAY, SO HERE THIS IS THAT FIVE ACRES, LITERALLY THERE'S A FENCE THAT GOES LIKE THIS.
THERE'S A BARN HERE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT ROAD.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BARN UP HERE.
NOW IF SOME EXACTLY THAT SMALL CORNER, IF YOU WERE LIVING SOMEWHERE, ALL OF YOU, AND THIS IS YOUR FRONT YARD, WOULD YOU SELL A LITTLE, A LITTLE SQUARE OF YOUR FRONT YARD? BUT BUT THE PROPOSED ROADWAY DOESN'T GO THAT IT GOES RIGHT ALONG THE LINE.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I KNOW IT'S HARD BECAUSE LOOKING AT IT THIS WAY, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IT VEERS.
BUT THIS ROAD GOES STRAIGHT AND UPHILL.
IT DOESN'T CURVE AS MUCH AS IT LOOKS.
HER DRIVEWAY DRIVEWAY, MY DRIVEWAY, MY FRONT YARD SLASH DRIVEWAY.
I LITERALLY GO A HALF A MILE TO GET TO SENIOR ROAD FROM MY HOUSE.
THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY COME DOWN THIS ROAD.
PETER VARGA GOES DOWN THIS ROAD.
WE ACTUALLY ALSO HAVE CATTLE ON HIS LAND.
SO, SO THE FIVE ACRES, CAN YOU PLEASE USE YOUR MICROPHONE WHEN SPEAKING? THANK YOU SIR.
AND IN ORDER FOR BEAR COUNTY TO GIVE AND C P S GIVE US SEPTIC AND ELECTRICITY, WE HAVE TO PLOT IT.
BUT YEAH, YOU'D HAVE AN EASEMENT TO, TO GET TO THAT FIVE ACRES.
IF WE DON'T REMOVE IT THEN INSTEAD OF AN EASEMENT, YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD THAT.
WELL, NOT, NOT ACCORDING TO ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO, SHE'D HAVE TO CONVEY IT AS RIGHT OF WAY.
SO SHE'D LOSE 86 FEET TIMES 1200 FEET THAT COMES HALFWAY DOWN.
THAT THAT DASH LINE IS ALONG THAT RED LINE.
IT, IT GOES RIGHT DIRECTLY INTO FRONT OF HER HOUSE.
AND SO I HARDLY THINK THAT ATASCOSA IS GONNA ONE DAY EXTEND THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN DOWN TO ATASCOSA.
THERE'S REAL NO, THAT I SEE REASON TO KEEP THE MA MA THAT MAJOR
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THOROUGHFARE PAST SMITH ROAD.I MEAN IT, IT JUST, IT'S JUST GONNA STOP THERE.
IT IS JUST GONNA, YOU CAN'T BUILD A CUL-DE-SAC ON A MAJOR THOROUGH FOR, SO SHE, SHE REALLY CAN'T.
SHE'S SORT OF UH, CONSTRAINED BY THE MAJOR THOROUGH FOR I THEY'RE GONNA SHOW THE AERIAL UP BEHIND THIS.
THIS IS THE WRONG GROUP TO TELL THAT THERE'S NO REASON FOR THAT OR IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.
'CAUSE ALMOST EVERYONE IN HERE HAS SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, BUT
SO BEHIND MY HOUSE IS, UM, ALL RULE AS WELL.
I MEAN IT'S SO MUCH TO ACTUALLY GET TO A BUSY ROAD.
IT'S, I MEAN YOU'RE JUST GOING SO I DON'T KNOW.
I FEEL LIKE IT WON'T BE IN ANY OF OUR LIFETIMES.
UH, SO WE WON'T BE BACK HERE ANOTHER TIME IF AT SCOS MANNA CHRIS? I'M JUST, I THINK SO.
HE ALSO CLARIFIED IF I CAN, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING.
UM, LET'S JUST SAY THAT HE IS REQ THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DEDICATE, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PROPOSED ROADWAY.
IF IT'S NOT, UH, REMOVED IN THE PLATT, IT ENDS UP BEING WITH ONE OF HER STRUCTURES NOW IN THIS RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE BARN, RIGHT? ONE OF THE BARNS OF THE BARN.
NO, IF YOU KEEP IT THAT WAY, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO SLIGHTLY REALIGN IT, THAT MIGHT RESULT IN SOMETHING ELSE NOW IN THAT NEW ALIGNMENT.
SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT IS, IT DOES RESULT IN A STRUCTURE, ONE OF OUR STRUCTURES IN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IT POINTS DIRECTLY AT THE HOUSE? NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE BARNS ONE, SHE HAS SOME SMALLER BARNS THERE.
SO THAT RESULTS IN A STRUCTURE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY MOTION.
I DON'T THINK THE MOTION WAS SECONDED.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO REALIGN IT WITH A BOUNDARY AS DISCUSSED, WHICH WOULD BE THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE LOT ONE AND LOT TWO ON THE PROPOSED PLOT.
UM, WE DO HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION QUESTION.
WHERE WAS THE QUESTION? SO MANNA, SO, SO ONE QUESTION.
SO THERE'S, I'VE HEARD SOME CONFUSING DIALOGUE WITH REGARDS TO THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT OF THE PROPOSED REMOVAL DRIVE.
UM, DOES THAT CURRENT ROAD ABUT THE EXISTING FIVE ACRES OR, OR IS IT TRULY SEPARATED? UM, IN THIS PROPERTY? SO YOU'RE THE BARB WIRE FENCE THAT SEPARATES EACH ONE OF MY, THERE'S A BARBED WIRE FENCE IS WHAT SHE'S SAYING THAT SEPARATES EACH OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
BUT THERE IS A DRIVEWAY ALONG THAT, THAT RED LINE? YES.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS THE, UM, IS THE ROADWAY THAT'S INDICATED THERE IS JUST NOT CORRECTLY ALIGNED OR IT'S A PRIVATE LINE? IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE.
OKAY, SO THERE'S, SO THE PRIVATE DRIVE FOLLOWS A RED LINE, CORRECT? YES.
BUT THE LINE SHOW WITH THE YELLOW OR THE ORANGE DOTS IS NOT ALIGNED TO THAT ROAD? NO, IT'S NOT.
AND SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ALIGN THAT WITH IT.
'CAUSE IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY FOLLOW THAT PRIVATE DRIVE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT ETCHED IN STONE AND IT'S NOT MEETS AND BOUNDS.
IT IS A ROUGH CORRECT ME IF IF I'M WRONG, IT'S ROUGH THERE.
SO THIS IS AN ESTIMATE OF WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED AND THE MOTION IS, IS TO MOVE IT AND IT STILL WON'T BE CLEARLY DEFINED.
IN ALL HONESTY, IF SOMEONE WAS PLATING, I MEAN IF I PICKED UP AND WAS PLATTING THIS PROPERTY AND SAW THAT I WOULD NOT COME IN FOR AN AMENDMENT TO TWEAK THE ALIGNMENT WITHIN MY PROPERTY THAT I OWN IT.
THE TWO TIE IN POINTS IS WHAT I'VE GOT, I'M OBLIGATED TO DO, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO COME AND DO AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE HOW I MAKE THAT ROAD WORK WITHIN MY PROPERTY.
AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION IF WE ARE RECOMMENDING IT STAY ENTIRELY WITHIN HER PROPERTY RE AND THAT'S REGARDLESS OF WHAT SHE'S PLATTING OR NOT, IT'S THERE.
NOW YOU CAN'T LEAVE A WEIRD GAP THAT DOESN'T SHOW ACCESS TO IT OR A FLAG OR SOMETHING FUNKY.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY WHAT ALIGNMENT HAPPENS FROM WHERE IT ENDS NOW THROUGH HER PROPERTY.
GET GET THE MICROPHONE CLOSE TO YOUR MOUTH TOO.
ANYWAY, I I JUST FOR MYSELF, I THINK FOR THE APPLICANT MORE THAN THAT, I THINK I WANT UNDERSTAND IF WE LEAVE IT
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OR JUST DON'T TOUCH IT, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.OR IF WE DECIDE WE WANT TO SHIFT IT OVER SO IT DOESN'T LOOK PECULIAR.
I THINK THIS APPLICANT, THIS LADY, IF IT'S THERE AND SHE'S, THAT'S WHAT THE PLA SAYS.
SHE'S GOT A PLAT THAT DOES THAT ONE LOT.
I DON'T THINK SHE'LL EVER HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING.
SHE MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE UP SOME HYPOTHETICAL PROPERTY THAT IF SOMEBODY EVER DID BUILD THAT ROAD, IT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOWED FOR.
BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVER GONNA HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING.
THE ONLY WAY THAT ROAD'S EVER GONNA GET BUILT IS IF SOMEONE GOES THROUGH AND WANTS TO WHOLESALE BUY AND DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY FOR SOME MAJOR USE.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY WOULD EVER KICK IN ENOUGH TO BUILD IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD DEDICATE THE ACCESS TO LOT ONE AND TWO BY UH, MEET BY A DEEDED VERSUS PLATTING IT AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT AWAY RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE SOLUTION THAT WOULD AVOID DEDICATING ANY RIGHT AWAY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
IS IT TRUE GOAL IS TO NOT DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY? UH, HANG ON BEFORE WE DO THAT, WHAT WERE YOU SAYING KEN? IT, IT'S AN ONION SO FAR AND WE'RE STILL PEELING AWAY.
BUT I THINK THE REAL GOAL IS TO NOT DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEDICATE IT THAT PROPERTY AT THIS TIME.
DOES SHE? IF SHE JUST WANTS TO PLAT THE PROPERTY, WELL THEY WERE PLOTTING AN ACCESS TO THOSE TWO LOTS.
BUT IF YOU JUST DO THOSE, IF YOU DO THAT ACCESS BY MEETS AND BOUNDS BY A LEGAL DOCUMENT OTHER THAN THE PLAT, IF YOU DON'T PLA IT, IT'S JUST A, EVERYTHING ELSE IS MUTE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO REALIGN THE RIGHT OF WAY OF THE PROPOSED ROAD TO THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COMMON OF THE LINE ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF LOTS ONE AND TWO.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE ACTION ON THAT AND GO FROM THERE.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION SAY, AYE.
ALL FAVOR? ALL THOSE OPPOSED, I MEAN ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
SO AS THE APPLICANT IS TALKING IN STAFF, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, I SEE IT AS IT'S A APPROVE THE REMOVAL OR DENY THE REMOVAL OR YOU WITHDRAW THE ITEM FOR FURTHER EVALUATION OF ALTERNATIVES.
YEAH, SO I WOULD SAY, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T DECIDED AND THEY NEED TO GO BACK.
I DON'T WANNA DO A FULL WITHDRAWAL, BUT MAYBE A CONTINUANCE.
AND THEN THAT WAY IT CAN BE FURTHER EVALUATED AND THEN IF THEY WITHDRAW BEFORE THEN, THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO COME BACK APPROPRIATELY.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN.
WHAT IS THE CONTINUANCE YOU WANT? WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN DATE.
OH, WE HAVE TO SET A CERTAIN DATE.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANOTHER DATE? NO.
60 DAYS SCHEDULED TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THEN NO, WE HAVE TO CHECK.
SO THEY'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO COME BACK BECAUSE OF THIS.
SO TECHNICALLY WE DON'T NEED TO DO A CONTINUANCE 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR THE PTECH MEETINGS.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL JUST HOLD IT AT BAY FOR THE NEXT P TAC MEETING.
UH, THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING SCHEDULED TO REVIEW THE P TAC NOMINATIONS.
BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER P TTAC MEETING TO REVIEW THOSE.
SO YOU, THERE'S NO NEED TO SET A DATE.
WE'LL, YOU'LL JUST SET A NEW DATE IN THE FUTURE WHEN ALL THE DUCKS ARE IN A ROW IN THIS ITEM? YES.
AND BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY BEEN REALLY, REALLY ANNOYING TODAY.
CAN I BE ONE? I KNOW IT'S UNUSUAL, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO GIMME SOMETHING ON MY FIRST I KNOW TIME HERE.
WELL, WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES THE KELLY PARKWAY AMENDMENT
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AND WE'VE DONE THIS TIMES 10 WITH QUESTIONS AND OOPS, THAT NOT GETTING INFO, BUT IT'S NEVER COME BACK TO MY KNOWLEDGE.AND IT WAS A CITY INITIATED REALIGNMENT OF KELLY PARKWAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ASSESSING THAT AND WE'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.
I THINK THIS ITEM WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT SMOOTHER IF THE COMMITTEE HAD MORE DATA GOING INTO THE MEETING.
I'M TAKING NOTES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, I MEAN LIKE SOMEBODY OVER THERE SAID US.
OH AND YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, WE, WE DIDN'T CAN, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DATA GOING INTO THIS.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER IF WE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
SO TAKING NOTES BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING TO, UH, STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS.
I JUST HAD, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONTO THAT 'CAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF TECHNICAL DA, UH, DATA THAT WAS PRESENTED, LIKE THE SURVEY DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND WHICH PARCELS THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE PARCELS AND THEY WERE SMALLER SIZES AND, AND UNDERSTAND WHO WAS INVOLVED BECAUSE IT WAS JUST WHAT I FOUND ON GOOGLE EARTH.
SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS INFORMATION, IT SEEMS LIKE WE WERE PULLING IT OUT AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT.
SO WE WANNA MAKE THIS AS EXPEDITIOUS TOO FOR THE APPLICANT.
ITEM NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 9TH, 2022 MEETING.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY BIANCA, A SECOND BY MR. HANLEY.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES AND ADJOURN THAT IT IS 2 57 AND WE ARE TIME OUT.
KATT, I CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW POSITION, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE ORIGINAL MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER THE 21ST, 1978.
AND THE FIRST SENT WERE YOU? NO, I WASN'T.
I WAS JUST STARTING TO GET THERE.
YOU KNOW THAT THING ABOUT BEING ANNOYING? IT SAYS THE PURPOSE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGH FOR PLAN IS TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF MAJOR ROADWAYS THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THROUGH TRAFFIC TO THE YEAR 2000 AND BEYOND.
SO ISN'T IT TIME THAT WE REVISITED? THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE.
SO THIS, THIS YEAR WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORK, WE HAVE TWO MASTER PLANS.
UH, ONE IS THE MAJOR THOROUGH FOR PLAN THAT THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, DEPARTMENT, UM, OVERSEAS.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE OLD BIKE MASTER PLAN.
WE'RE RENAMING TO THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN.
UH, SO OUR TEAM RIGHT NOW, TINY BUT MIGHTY, UM, IS UH, HAS THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON TO UPDATE.
AND SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO SELECT A VENDOR.
AND THEN ON OUR RADAR NEXT IS TO DO THE MAJOR, THE REFER PLAN UPDATE.
BECAUSE THE, UH, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, THE POPULATION FOR THE STANDARD METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA IN 78 WAS 900 900.
SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO REVISIT IT.
ANY IDEA WHAT THE TIMING ON THAT IS? KA UH, SO WE IT WOULD BE ANOTHER YEAR.
BUT IT IS, IT IS NEXT, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE BIKE NETWORK PLAN.
AT, AT SOME POINT, WHETHER NOW OR AT SOME POINT WITHIN THE 12, NEXT 12 MONTHS, WOULD IT BE USEFUL OR HELPFUL TO HAVE A RESOLUTION FROM P TTAC ACKNOWLEDGING THIS 40 YEAR CHANGE OF TIME AND AND ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS? OR IS THAT SUPER FLU? IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED IN IN YEAH, AND THE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THAT WHEN WE, IT'S ON EVERYONE'S RADAR.
SO WE, WE KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO DO.
UH, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WAS FORMED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
OUR DIRECTOR'S BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CARRIED OVER FROM THE OLD PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
PUBLIC WORKS NOW THIS AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE FILLING OUR TEAM RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES, SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANYBODY WE'RE RECRUITING.
SO I I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION, BUT THE MORE WE SEE, UH, MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENTS IS THAT WOULD BE WHERE THIS DISCUSSION WOULD HAPPEN TO SAY, YES, LET'S GET THIS UPDATED.
AND WE HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE THAT SUPPORT.
ARE Y'ALL BUDGETING FOR IT THIS YEAR? NO, NOT THIS YEAR.
RIGHT NOW IT'S THE BIKE NETWORK.
AND JUST A REMINDER, WE HAVE EIGHT MEMBERS THAT THEIR TERMS ARE HAVE EXPIRED.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REAPPLY THE DEADLINE IS THIS, UH, FRIDAY THE 12TH.
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IT IS THREE O'CLOCK AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.