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          I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO 
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ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 17TH, 2022. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. 
          FISH HERE. 
          SAVINA. 
          HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ HERE. 
          MORALES IS ABSENT. 
          ABSENT CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          GRO. 
          HERE. 
          ANTE HERE. 
          UNA IS ABSENT. 
          AND FETZER. 
          HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON EACH CASE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL. 
          AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, TOUGH CHALLENGES TO A PARTICULAR POINT OF VIEW AND CRITICISM OF IDEAS AND INFORMATION ARE LEGITIMATE ELEMENTS OF A FREE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION. 
          THIS DOES NOT ALLOW, HOWEVER, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF MEMBERS, APPLICANTS, OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE BELLIGERENT, PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR THREATENING COMMENTS. 
          ALL THOSE ATTENDING EITHER IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER. 
          THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSIONS AND DEBATE. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          YES. 
          [Briefing]
THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A, UH, TREAT. 
          WE HAVE A BRIEFING REGARDING OUR PROPOSED DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, AND I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO STEPHANIE AND TO LEAD THAT REFERRING TO ME AS A TREAT. 
          UM, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT'S SO GREAT TO SEE SO MANY FAMILIAR FACES. 
          UH, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE PHILLIPS. 
          I AM THE DECONSTRUCTION AND CIRCULAR ECONOMY PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AND I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON OUR PROPOSED DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE'RE GONNA PLAY A SHORT ANIMATION THAT SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING. 
          THIS IS THE STORY OF TWO HOMES. 
          THEY BOTH PROVIDE THEIR FAMILY SHELTER AND PLACES TO MAKE MEMORIES, BUT IN TIME, SOME MAY THINK THE LIVES OF THESE HOMES ARE OVER, THE FIRST HOUSE GETS DEMOLISHED. 
          IT'S LUMBER, WINDOWS, DOORS, BRICKS, ALL OF IT IS BURIED IN A LANDFILL AND WILL DECAY FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. 
          THIS IS A WASTE OF MORE THAN 41 TONS OF ENERGY THAT WAS USED TO CREATE THE MATERIALS THAT WENT INTO THE HOUSE. 
          THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO DRIVING YOUR CAR NEARLY 93,000 
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MILES OR ALMOST FOUR TIMES AROUND THE WORLD. 
          IN GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION WASTE IS THE LARGEST SOURCE OF WASTE SENT TO LANDFILLS. 
          NATIONALLY, MORE THAN DOUBLE THE HOUSEHOLD TRASH WE THROW OUT WASTING BUILDING MATERIALS BY DEMOLITION LEADS TO DEFORESTATION. 
          IT DESTROYS ECOSYSTEMS AND DECREASES OUR AIR QUALITY. 
          IN THE PAST DECADE, THE DEMOLITION OF HOMES IN SAN ANTONIO HAS CREATED OVER 169,000 TONS OF WASTE. 
          THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO OVER 100,000 HIPPOS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. 
          REMEMBER THE OTHER HOUSE, IT'S ON THE PATH FOR DECONSTRUCTION, MEANING ITS BUILDING MATERIALS WILL BE TAKEN APART AND REUSED LIKE AN ORGAN DONOR. 
          THIS HOME'S PARTS WILL GIVE NEW LIFE TO OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          ITS BRICKS AND LUMBER WERE USED AS AFFORDABLE ALTERNATIVES TO REPAIR A HOME. 
          ITS WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED IN A BAKERY. 
          ITS BEAUTIFUL. 
          OLD GROWTH WOOD IS NOW THE FLOORING IN A TRENDY NEW RESTAURANT AND WITH A FRESH COAT OF PAINT, ITS FRONT DOOR IS NOW THE TOP OF A FAMILY'S DINING ROOM TABLE. 
          IT'S ESTIMATED THAT REUSE REFURBISHMENT AT UPCYCLING GENERATE ABOUT 300 JOBS FOR EVERY 10,000 TONS OF MATERIAL. 
          MEANING THAT ON AVERAGE DECONSTRUCTION EMPLOYS SIX TIMES MORE PEOPLE THAN DEMOLITION. 
          DECONSTRUCTION PRODUCES JOBS IN MANUFACTURING, RETAIL, AND BUILDING TRADES, CREATING A CYCLE OF REUSE FOR BUILDING MATERIALS. 
          WE CAN'T PROTECT THE FUTURE OF OUR OLDER HOMES AND BUILDINGS BY USING MATERIALS FROM THEIR PAST. 
          THIS NURTURES A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT CONTINUES THE LEGACY OF OUR CITY'S BUILT HERITAGE AND KEEPS QUALITY MATERIALS OUT OF OUR LANDFILLS. 
          SAN ANTONIO CAN LEAD THE WAY FOR CITIES ACROSS THE WORLD, AND IT STARTS WITH OUR BUILDINGS TODAY. 
          DON'T DEMOLISH, DECONSTRUCT AND REUSE. 
          IT'S THE EARTH-FRIENDLY ALTERNATIVE. 
          CLICK OUT OF IT. 
          OKAY, SO OBVIOUSLY MY FAVORITE PART OF THAT WAS THE CROWN ON THE EARTH WITH THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS A QUICK AND DIRTY OVERVIEW OF THE BENEFITS OF DECONSTRUCTION AS A BUILDING REMOVAL OVER TRADITIONAL DEMOLITION. 
          AND OF COURSE, THESE ARE VISUAL REPRESENTATIONS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          BOTH OF THESE PHOTOS WERE TAKEN IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, THE IMAGE OF THE DEMOLITION ON THE LEFT WAS TAKEN, I THINK IN 2018 ON THE NEAR EAST SIDE IN AN UNDESIGNATED PART OF THE CITY. 
          AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UM, IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH ECO CENTRO IN THE TOBIN HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE USED TO BE LIKE A LARGE TWO STORY STRUCTURE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, THAT BUILDING IS THE IMAGE PICTURED THERE, AND IT WAS DECONSTRUCTED, UM, TWO SUMMERS AGO. 
          AND THE DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS WERE ABLE TO DIVERT OVER 90% OF THE MATERIALS FROM THE LANDFILL. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE HARDWOOD FLOORING BEING LIFTED UP IN THAT IMAGE. 
          AND SOME OF THAT WENT RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER TO A HOUSE BEING REMODELED INTO TOBIN HILLS. 
          SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE AND ENCOURAGE AND FACILITATE, IS RECAPTURING THOSE MATERIALS THAT MAY TRADITIONALLY BE HEADED TO THE LANDFILL AND REINTRODUCE THEM BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          IDEALLY USING, UM, KIND OF THE ORGAN DONOR ANALOGY THAT WAS IN THE, UH, VIDEO THAT TALKS ABOUT IF A BUILDING HAS REACHED THE END OF ITS LIFE, ITS PARTS AND PIECES COULD HELP SUSTAIN THE LIVES OF DOZENS OF OTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR OLDER STRUCTURES. 
          SO THESE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES OF ON IN DEMAND SALVAGEABLE BUILDING COMPONENTS THAT MIGHT RESONATE SPECIFICALLY WITH SOME OF YOU AND SOME OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          BUT, UM, SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE FOR OVER FOUR YEARS NOW, UM, THERE IS NOT A WEEK THAT GOES BY WHERE I DON'T GET SOMEONE EMAILING ME EITHER SAYING, I HAVE MATERIALS THAT I WANT TO DONATE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA THROW THEM AWAY. 
          OR I AM A HOMEOWNER OR EVEN A, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER BUILDING SOMETHING NEW, TRYING TO SEEK RECLAIMED MATERIALS FOR THEIR PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT'S ESPECIALLY TRUE WITH ALL OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY HAS BEEN FACING. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, THIS ORGAN DONOR ANALOGY, UM, PART OF THIS INITIATIVE, UH, STARTED BACK IN 2017 WHEN WE GOT A C C R FROM CITY COUNCIL IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AROUND INCREASED DEMOLITION ACTIVITY IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND HERE ARE TWO WAYS TO VISUALIZE THAT ACTIVITY, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A LINE GRAPH THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF DEMOLITION REQUESTS THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THAT'S BEEN STEADILY GOING UP. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AVERAGING AROUND 500 DEMOLITION REQUESTS A YEAR CITYWIDE. 
          AND THAT INCLUDES ALL TYPES OF BUILDINGS, SO RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, EVEN OUTBUILDINGS AND GARAGES. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY CLOSER TRENDING CLOSER TO 600 DEMOLITIONS. 
          UM, AND THAT IS AT LEAST A 60%, 68% INCREASE, 
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UH, SINCE 2012. 
          SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T SLOWING DOWN, AND THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR OFFICE AND CITY COUNCIL AND OTHER OFFICES AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THE IMAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT OF THE HEAT MAP, THIS IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT TOO. 
          A LOT OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU SEE A CONCENTRATION OF DEMOLITION ARE NOT IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, BUT SOME OF THOSE BUILDING STOCK ARE EXACTLY THE SAME THAT YOU MIGHT FIND IN SOMETHING THAT'S PROTECTED. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THIS INTERMEDIARY SOLUTION WHERE IF A BUILDING DOES HAVE TO COME DOWN, WE'RE SALVAGING IT, UM, INSTEAD OF THROWING AWAY ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS. 
          SO THIS IS A VERY CHAOTIC TIMELINE, UM, OF WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE DECONSTRUCTION INITIATIVE AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. 
          SO AGAIN, I REFERENCED 2017 BEING KIND OF THE KICKOFF, UH, THE DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DID WAS, UH, FORM A DECONSTRUCTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH KIND OF FORMS AS A TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UM, OUR FORMER CHAIR, MICHAEL GARINO, WAS THE H D R C APPOINTEE TO THAT. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, JEFF FETZER SERVES AS OUR HD RC APPOINTEE TO THAT. 
          BUT THAT INCLUDED REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, UH, DEMOLITION CONTRACTORS, SALVAGE CONTRACTORS, AND THEN, UM, A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT FROM SOLID WASTE, UM, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, UH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          JUST KIND OF THE WHOLE GAMUT OF, UM, REPRESENTATIVES TO KIND OF GUIDE US ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, THROUGH THAT TIME, WE'VE HELD PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS AND HELD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          WE'VE BRIEFED CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEES FOUR SEPARATE TIMES. 
          UM, WE'VE HELD TWO DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR TRAININGS TO KIND OF OFFER THAT TRAINING SERVICE TO OTHERS THAT EITHER ARE CONTRACTORS AND WANT TO, UM, OFFER THAT SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY OR START THEIR OWN BUSINESS. 
          AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP IN FALL. 
          UM, AND THEN WE'VE DONE, UM, ANOTHER REALLY FUN THING CALLED THE MATERIAL INNOVATION CENTER, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. 
          SO, FOUR KEY ISSUES THAT ARE KIND OF OUR UMBRELLA WITH THIS TOPIC. 
          UH, WE WERE ABLE TO COMMISSION A DECONSTRUCTION STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          IT'S CALLED TREASURE IN THE WALLS. 
          WE PUBLISHED THAT IN 2020. 
          UM, IT REVEALED THAT WE'VE BEEN THROWING AWAY $16 MILLION OF BUILDING MATERIALS SINCE 2012, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT HIPPO STAT CAME FROM . 
          UM, SO WE KNOW THAT THE MATERIALS THAT ARE HEADED TO OUR LANDFILLS HAVE VALUE. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE CAN USE THEM IN DIFFERENT WAYS, SO WE WANNA REDIRECT THEM AGAIN BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. 
          I MENTIONED THAT DEMOLITION STATISTIC ALREADY. 
          ANOTHER IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION THAT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO SEVERAL OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS HOW DEMOLITION AFFECTS PUBLIC HEALTH IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO DEMOLITION IS EFFECTIVELY A FORM OF AIR POLLUTION. 
          UM, IT, THE DUST FROM A SITE CAN TRAVEL ANYWHERE FROM 400 TO 600 YARDS, SO IT'S DEFINITELY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S CONTAINED IN A BUBBLE. 
          AND WE KNOW FROM KIND OF TRIANGULATING DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE E P A ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE TOOL THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SEE THE MOST DEMOLITION IN DISTRICTS ONE, TWO, AND FIVE, UM, ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BY THINGS LIKE TOXIC, UM, DUST BY LEAD PRESENCE IN THE BUILDING, UM, ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC AS WELL, UM, THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S AN EQUITY DISPARITY IN MATERIAL ACCESS AND AFFORDABILITY. 
          AND WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT IS BY REINTRODUCING MORE MATERIALS INTO OUR MARKETPLACE, WE'RE OPENING UP THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT EXCHANGE MARKET, HAVE MORE ACCESS TO THOSE MATERIALS. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE FACILITATING AS WELL. 
          AND I JUST SUMMARIZED HOW ALL OF THAT HAS MANIFESTED INTO OUR PROGRAM PRIORITIES. 
          SO WE'RE TOUCHING EVERYTHING FROM HOUSING EQUITY, HERITAGE, WORKFORCE SUSTAINABILITY, PUBLIC HEALTH, AND MORE. 
          SO I MENTIONED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR TRAINING. 
          THIS, THESE ARE JUST A FEW PHOTOS FROM THOSE TRAININGS THAT WE'VE HELD, UM, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND OUR OWN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN THE MEAT AND POTATO POTATOES HERE IS OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE. 
          SO WE HAVE A DRAFTED ORDINANCE THAT IS, UH, PROPOSED TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN PHASES. 
          SO THE FIRST PHASE WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO CITY EXECUTED DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF THE CITY IS ORDERING A DEMOLITION OF AN OLDER HOUSE, UM, THAT FELL UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF PHASE TWO, THEN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, DECONSTRUCT THAT BUILDING INSTEAD OF DEMOLISH IT. 
          AND THEN PHASE TWO, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURES AND MULTI-UNIT STRUCTURES WITH FOUR UNITS OR LESS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED IN 1920 OR EARLIER CITYWIDE. 
          AND THEN IF THE BUILDING IS LOCATED WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR AN N C D, THAT DATE IS 1945 AND EARLIER. 
          SO THAT WILL BE PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO. 
          AND THEN PHASE THREE WOULD EXPAND TO 1945 AND EARLIER CITYWIDE, AND THEN 1960 AND EARLIER IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. 
          FINALLY, UM, THIS PROGRAM IS BEING ADMINISTERED BY O H P. 
          UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, BUT, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT DISRUPTING THE DEMOLITION PRO REVIEW PROCESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT I MENTIONED THAT THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T 
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AFFECT, IF A BUILDING COMES DOWN, IT AFFECTS HOW A BUILDING COMES DOWN. 
          SO THE CHARGE OF THIS COMMISSION AND THE CHARGE OF OTHER CITY BOARDS, AND THEN THE REVIEWERS OF CITY DEPARTMENTS WILL NOT CHANGE. 
          BUT IF THE DECISION IS MADE THAT A BUILDING IS ELIGIBLE TO BE REMOVED, THAT'S WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WOULD KICK IN. 
          AND THEN, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I MENTIONED MATERIAL INNOVATION CENTER. 
          UH, ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT FROM OUR DECONSTRUCTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS FOUR YEARS AGO WAS WHERE IS THE MATERIAL GONNA GO? RIGHT? UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD NETWORK OF RETAILERS, UM, HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS ONE PICKER'S PARADISE, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, BUT IN THE EVENT OF AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF DECONSTRUCTIONS HAPPENING IN SAN ANTONIO, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE LAST STOP BEFORE THE LANDFILLS. 
          SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED THAT THE CITY HAS ENTERED INTO A LONG-TERM LEASE AGREEMENT WITH PORT SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, THERE'S A CLUSTER OF OVER 25, UM, 1920S BUNGALOW STRUCTURES, UH, THAT USED TO HOUSE GENERALS AT PORT SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE YET, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT. 
          IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE TECH PORT ARENA. 
          UM, SO WE'LL BE USING THAT AS A SITE WHERE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DONATE MATERIALS OR THEY HAVE MATERIALS THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE AWAY, THEY CAN DO THAT HERE AT THE CITY, AND THEN WE'LL REDIRECT THAT BACK INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND REPAIR PROJECTS. 
          SO THAT IS A VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF MANY YEARS OF WORK. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          STEPHANIE, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MATERIAL MM-HMM. 
           ULTIMATELY STORED. 
          HOW ARE, WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS ABOUT THEN TAKING THOSE INVENTORIES AND HOW, HOW DO THOSE BECOME THEN AVAILABLE FOR PERSPECTIVE, UH, USERS OF THOSE MATERIALS? HOW'S THAT GONNA BE PROCESSED? RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT AND OFFICE OF INNOVATION IS KIND OF MAKING THAT VISIBLE DIGITALLY. 
          UM, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT SPECIFICALLY THE MATERIALS THAT ARE DONATED HERE WILL BE, UM, AVAILABLE THROUGH KIND OF THOSE NETWORKS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDERS, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AT LEAST TO START. 
          UM, SO THAT WAY IT'S PRIORITY BEING REDIRECTED INTO THOSE SOURCES. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE STARTING. 
          AND WE MAY SCALE UP FROM THERE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND THEN IF SOMEONE SEES SOMETHING IN THAT DIGITAL INVENTORY THAT THEY, THEY WANT TO, TO CLAIM, UH, IS IT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, OPEN AUCTION OR HOW, HOW DO THESE THINGS GET, UH, TRANSFERRED TO OLD? SO RIGHT NOW, THE MODEL THAT WE'RE APPROACHING IS ONE THAT HAS EXISTED IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON FOR OVER 12 YEARS. 
          NOW, I'M GONNA SAY THIS 'CAUSE I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, THEY NEED A PUBLICIST BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THERE'S SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT HAS OPERATED A REUSE WAREHOUSE AND THEY, AGAIN, CALL IT THE LAST STOP BEFORE THE LANDFILL, BUT PEOPLE CAN DONATE MATERIAL AND THEY ACTUALLY GIVE AWAY MATERIAL FOR FREE. 
          SO THERE'S NO PRICING INVOLVED. 
          AND THE REASON THAT IS POSSIBLE IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT CAN CLAIM THE MATERIAL ARE THOSE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. 
          SO THAT'S THE MODEL THAT WE'RE PURSUING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          STEPHANIE, I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, ON SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR WINDOW THERE, OR IN YOUR, IN YOUR PARAMETERS MM-HMM. 
          , DO YOU GUYS HAVE A WAY OR A PLAN TO HELP DEAL WITH LIKE ASBESTOS, SIGHTINGS, THAT SORT OF THING THAT THE NORMAL COMMUNITY CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL LICENSE FOR, RIGHT. 
          ALL THAT STUFF? UM, SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION THAT I'M GONNA LUMP IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HIT ON, WHICH IS THE ABILITY TO REQUEST AN EXEMPTION. 
          UM, SO THERE'S PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE, IF SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY LIKE IF SOMETHING IS FIRE DAMAGED OR SOMETHING HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY MODIFIED OVER TIME, THERE IS A PROCESS FOR OUR CONTRACTORS TO, TO ASK FOR THAT. 
          HMM. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'M SO GLAD TO SEE ALL OF THE PARTS OF THIS PROGRAM COME TOGETHER LIKE THIS. 
          THANKS. 
          UM, OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          YOU'RE DOING IT LIKE THAT. 
          UM, FOR THE ELIGIBLE STRUCTURES, UH, IS IT PHASE TWO? WHAT DETERMINED THAT 1920S CUTOFF DATE? YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO HERE. 
          SO, SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO BE SURE IS THAT WE WANTED TO APPROACH THIS IN A WAY THAT WOULDN'T FLOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, THE MARKET OF MATERIALS IN SAN ANTONIO, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF BUILDING LIKE A REUSE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S VERY EASY TO THROW THINGS AWAY, WHICH WE ALL KNOW. 
          SO IF WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE TAKING LIKE BITE-SIZE PIECES OUT OF OUR DEMOLITION PERMITS, SO THAT WAY WE WEREN'T CREATING A CONDITION WHERE A BUILDING WAS DECONSTRUCTED, BUT ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS WOULD HAVE TO BE LANDFILLED ANYWAY, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING ANYWHERE FOR THEM TO GO. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE, IT'S REALLY SMALL, SORRY. 
          UM, IN THE THIRD COLUMN YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SECOND PHASE IS APPROXIMATELY 28% OF DEMOLITION PERMITS, AND THEN IT SCALES UP TO ABOUT 40%. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING KIND OF THAT INCREMENTAL GROWTH TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. 
          AND, UM, IF Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN LIKE, RESEARCHING, UM, OR LOOKING INTO OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS REALLY SUCCESSFULLY, THE CITY OF PORTLAND HAS HAD AN ORDINANCE SINCE 2016. 
          UM, AND THEY DID A SIMILAR THING WHERE THEY WERE KIND OF BITING OUT THESE CHUNK SIZE PIECES 
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AND IT'S BEEN THRIVING. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND A COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SPEARHEADING THIS AND, UH, IT'S GONNA BE AN EXCITING PRO UH, PROGRAM. 
          UM, I SEE THAT PHASE ONE, TWO, AND THREE ALL ARE BASED ON SINGLE FAMILY AND UP TO MULTI-FAMILY. 
          YES. 
          RESIDENTIAL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IS THERE A GOAL THAT IT WOULD EVENTUALLY GO TO, UM, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES? 'CAUSE THERE'S, UH, STEEL, THERE'S THAT THE CONTRACTORS PROBABLY RECYCLE THAT THEMSELVES. 
          THEY SELL IT FOR, FOR, UH, SALVAGE, BUT, UM, MASONRY, UM, ALL SITES KINDS OF OTHER MATERIALS THAT ARE IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. 
          YES. 
          SO DOWN THE LINE, WE DEFINITELY WANNA TACKLE THAT SUBSECTION OF THE BUILDING STOCK BECAUSE THEY, WE KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF AMAZING BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL THAT WERE BUILT KIND OF IN THESE DATE RANGES WITH OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS, THE COMMERCIAL AND LARGER STRUCTURES EXPONENTIALLY AFFECT LIKE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO TAKE A BUILDING DOWN FULLY, AND THEN ALSO THE COST. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA TACKLE AFTER, YOU KNOW, WE SEE HOW THIS ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IS EVALUATED AND THEN PURSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS KIND OF LIKE A PHASE FOUR OR PHASE FIVE, BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL ADD LIKE, FOR THE MOST PART, IF THERE IS HIGH QUALITY, LIKE HEAVY TIMBER CONSTRUCTION IN THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S BEING SALVAGED NOW IN MOST CASES, UM, ONE OF THE, UH, ANTICIPATED SIDE EFFECTS OF ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE WILL DEVELOP A MORE ROBUST LOCAL ECONOMY FOR THIS TYPE OF STUFF. 
          AND SO ONCE THAT MARKETPLACE IS ESTABLISHED AND KIND OF WELL ESTABLISHED HERE LOCALLY IN SAN ANTONIO, WE THINK THAT THIS WILL BECOME MORE THE NORM AND MIGHT MAKE MORE FINANCIAL SENSE FOR PEOPLE TO PROACTIVELY DECONSTRUCT EVEN WHEN IT'S NOT REQUIRED. 
          SO ALL OF THIS, THE PHASED APPROACH, ALL OF THAT KIND OF DESIGN IS SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF TAKE THOSE BABY STEPS TO BUILD A MARKETPLACE, LIKE STEPHANIE SAID, GAUGE THE RESULTS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          UM, JUST, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, UM, UH, THAT LOCAL MARKETPLACE, MR. CHAIRS, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, ARE, ARE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, I GUESS A MATRIX OR, OR ANY DISCLOSURE INSIDE OF THIS AS TO WHAT POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES THERE ARE? LIKE SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE PHASE ONE, RIGHT? BUT, UH, IF THE CITY GOES IN RIGHT NOW AND DEMOLISHES SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS DECIDED THAT NEEDED TO BE DEMOLISHED, THERE'S A BILL THAT'S HANDED OVER, RIGHT? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THIS BILL IS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TYPICAL BULLDOZER DEMOLITION. 
          HOW, HOW, UM, WILL THIS, UH, BE, UH, DESCRIBED? UH, IS THERE A PLAN FOR, FOR A POWERPOINT PAGE THAT CLEARLY DESCRIBES THE MONETARY CONSEQUENCES TO NOT ADHERING TO THE POLICY? SURE. 
          AND THAT'S A REALLY FANTASTIC QUESTION. 
          WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE CIRCUMSTANCE YOU JUST DESCRIBED. 
          UM, WE HAVE A WHOLE WEBSITE DEDICATED TO THIS AND WE TOUCH ON THE FINANCIAL TOPIC AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND AS PART OF THIS ROLLOUT, WE'RE DEFINITELY PLANNING A ROBUST LIKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO CLEARLY ARTICULATE, UM, THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES TO PEOPLE FOR SURE. 
          UM, ONE THING I FAILED TO MENTION, UM, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT WE ARE ALSO SUCCESSFUL IN SECURING A SMALL GRANT FROM THE ALAMO AREA COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS THROUGH THEIR SOLID WASTE PASS THROUGH GRANT PROGRAM, WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO OFFER SMALL GRANTS TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE FINANCIALLY BURDENED IN ANY WAY TO KIND OF CLOSE THAT COST GAP. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          WE DID HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO HAD A QUESTION. 
          HEY, NICE. 
          UH, QUESTION YOU'RE TAKING IN THIS MATERIAL, IS THERE SOME KIND OF A, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL THAT COMES OUT, DEMOLITION THAT'S NON-USABLE. 
          YES. 
          AND PEOPLE COULD DONATE A PILE OF BROKEN BRICKS TO YOU GUYS, BUT WHO'S THERE TO SAY THAT'S NOT A USABLE MATERIAL. 
          WE DON'T NEED THAT AND SEND IT TO THE LANDFILL. 
          UH, SO Y'ALL DON'T END UP WITH TOO MUCH STUFF THAT'S JUST TROUBLE. 
          YES. 
          THAT IS AN AMAZING QUESTION. 
          UM, SO A REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS ORDINANCE IS THAT THERE ISN'T LIKE A LIKE SET DIVERSION REQUIREMENT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA REQUIRE THAT EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, DIVERT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF A MATERIAL FOR OR BUILDING FOR THAT REASON. 
          BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY AS COREY MENTIONED, LIKE THE MARKETPLACE LIKE ASPHALT SHINGLES ARE REALLY DIFFICULT TO RECYCLE, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE LIKE, PARAMETERS OF WHAT CAN BE ACCEPTED AND WHAT CANNOT BE ACCEPTED. 
          UM, ALSO FOLLOWING THE HOUSTON MODEL, THEY DON'T JUST ACCEPT EVERYTHING. 
          THEY KIND OF HAVE A LIST OF OF WHAT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND 
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I'M SURE WE'LL BE CALLING ON CONTRACTORS LIKE YOU TO HELP US DEVELOP WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US TOO. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          GOOD. 
          THANKS WOODY. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, NEXT 
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ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES. 
          YES SIR. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? YES, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          UM, CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          WE NOW 
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Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, SO IF WE COULD DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. 
          UM, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ITEM TWO, WHICH IS 300 ALAMO PLAZA, UM, HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE ALAMO TEAM IN ORDER TO HAVE ANOTHER DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE CONSERVATION AND WHILE MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS WE THINK ARE ADDRESSED IN THE DESIGN OR STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO TAKE THE TIME AND HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, UH, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT THEN ALSO ONE THAT THE, UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY COULD ATTEND, UM, TO GAIN THAT INFORMATION. 
          SO WE'LL BE TAKING THOSE STEPS WITH THE ALAMO TEAM TO COORDINATE THAT MEETING NEXT WEEK. 
          UM, THEN WE'LL BE BACK HERE ON THE NEXT, UH, MEETING, UH, SCHEDULE. 
          UM, AND THEN ITEM 16 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY AS WELL. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VOICEMAILS TO BE PLAYED FOR ITEMS ON TO BE PLAYED FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. 
          SO, EDWARD, CAN YOU PLAY THOSE NOW? SHOULD I START WITH THE WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED ITEMS OR JUST START WITH ITEM FOUR? YEAH, JUST ITEM FOUR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO DOES NOT SUPPORT APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT OF A RIO DEVELOPMENT NODE ZONING OVERLAY. 
          WE DO NOT SUPPORT AN OVERLAY THAT WOULD ALLOW DEVELOPMENT WITH ZERO FOOT SETBACKS WITH MAXIMUM HEIGHTS. 
          NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SECTION OF BROADWAY SHOULD PROMOTE A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN OUR FINAL VOICEMAIL FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER 10 10 32. 
          DAWSON. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNA WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH FOUR 20, LOCATED AT 10 32 DAWSON, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O H P FINDINGS. 
          THIS EDITION LOOKS NOTHING LIKE A SCREENED IN PORCH. 
          A SCREENED IN PORCH WILL LET AIR PASS THROUGH THE ROOM BECAUSE IT HAS SCREENS GIVING YOU A FEELING OF BEING AN OUTDOORS WHILE KEEPING BUGS OUT. 
          IT IS A 144 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE HOUSE AND SHOULD FOLLOW O H P GUIDELINES FOR NEW ADDITIONS SUCH AS ROOF LINES SHOULD MATCH EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          ROOF LINE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD BE USED AS OPPOSED TO THE CRIMP GALVANIZED MATERIAL BEING PROPOSED. 
          ALUMINUM WINDOWS SHOULD NOT BE USED, WOOD OR ALUMINUM WOOD CLAD WINDOWS SHOULD BE USED. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A SCREENED-IN PORCH OR SUNROOM, IT IS AN ADDITIONAL ROOM BEING ADDED TO THIS HISTORICAL HOME AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU HAVE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS AS WELL. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SINO, UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE. 
          ANY OTHERS TO BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEMS EIGHT AND 10 PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. 
          ANY OTHERS? THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE. 
          MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. 
          I MOVE THAT, UH, THE REMAINING BALANCE BE APPROVED AS, AS, UH, AS STATED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          PLEA. 
          OH, ANY DISCUSSION? JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S ITEMS 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 
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AND NINE. 
          CORRECT? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 7 0 8 EAST QUINCY 39 0 3 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, UH, BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT NOTE. 
          THAT'S THE 16 AND 1700 BLOCKS OF BROADWAY, 8 0 1 NORTH MAINE, 5 0 6 EAST EVERGREEN, EIGHT 30 WEST COMMERCE, AND 1431 EAST COMMERCE. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          SO NOW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          DO I JUST, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO PULLED THAT ONE. 
          SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? UH, NO. 
          I JUST WANTED TO, UM, ADD SOME CLARITY TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE VOTE ON TODAY. 
          SO I DO WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT STAFF'S STIPULATIONS, BUT ALSO INCLUDE A THIRD STIPULATION TO MAINTAIN BOTH OF THE ORIGINAL CHIMNEYS IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, ANY DISCUSSION OR WOULD THE, UH, APPLICANT LIKE TO COMMENT IF THEY'RE HERE? YEAH. 
          MR. MOORE, DO YOU HAVE A YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          YES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, EVERYONE YES, WE DO, WE DO AGREE TO, UH, TO THOSE STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION JUST REAL QUICK? I DON'T, I OH, NEVERMIND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, HAVE THE APPLICANT VIRTUALLY PATRICIA LYNCH. 
          SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I BELIEVE YOU PULLED THIS ONE. 
          UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS AS TO JUST KIND OF BRING IT, BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF, OF, UM, OF THE PUBLIC IN OUR AUDIENCE. 
          UM, THE CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND THIS CASE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS WAS A COMPLIANCE CASE. 
          THE OWNER WAS SELF-REPORTING ON THE ADDITION OF 144 SQUARE FOOT REAR EDITION THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL WITHOUT PERMITS. 
          AND, AND THAT, UM, STAFF HAS, HAS RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS A LARGELY REVERSIBLE ADDITION. 
          AND I JUST WANTED MAYBE TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT, UH, TO, UH, ADDRESS THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, GROUP'S, UH, COMMENTS THAT THEY, THEY LEFT US. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO THIS APPLICATION CAME TO US AS A COMPLIANCE, UM, APPLICATION. 
          THE APPLICANT ESSENTIALLY REPORTED ON THEMSELVES. 
          THEY HAD A CONTRACTOR WHO, UM, DID WORK WITHOUT PERMITS UNBEKNOWNST TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, AND SO THEY ARE WORKING TO CORRECT THE ISSUE WITH PERMITTING AND APPROVALS. 
          UH, THERE HAS HAS BEEN NO HISTORIC MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO THE EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOWS ARE STILL INTACT AND THE EXISTING REAR DOOR. 
          AND SO THIS ESSENTIALLY FUNCTIONS AS A SUNROOM AND IS MORE OF AN OUTDOOR SPACE, UM, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO USE. 
          THERE WERE, UM, ALUMINUM WINDOWS INSTALLED IN THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, HOWEVER THIS IS LARGELY, LARGELY REVERSIBLE. 
          IF IT WERE REMOVED, UM, IT COULD BE RETURNED TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITION. 
          AND IS THIS SPACE RECEIVING, UH, MECHANICAL CONDITIONING? NO, IT IS NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THAT CASE AND, AND TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMEND O H P FOR WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT TO, TO GET, UH, GET THEM ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. 
          UM, 
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IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? UM, ACTUALLY, MS. LYNCH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AS THE, UH, APPLICANT? UM, SORRY, I HAD TEMPORARILY LOST THE CONNECTION, BUT, UM, NO, IT'S, UM, IT'S JUST A, A PORCH, I MEAN A SUNROOM, THAT'S ALL. 
          YEAH, WITH BRICK, BRICK FLOOR AND A DRAIN. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S JUST PAVERS LAID ON THE GROUND, SO, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          AGENDA ITEM 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION
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NUMBER 11. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          MISS THAT IT'S APPROVED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. LYNCH? YES, IT'S APPROVED. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. LYNCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 409 0 1 NORTH MESQUITE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 9 0 1 NORTH MESQUITE LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF NORTH MESQUITE STREET IN LAMAR STREET. 
          WITHIN THE DIG WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED A TWO-STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO BE CONNECTED TO THE MASSING OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BY AN OPEN PORCH. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH U AT THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE A FOUNDATION HEIGHT FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING J TWO, THAT THE APP THAT THE PROPOSED SQUARE FIXED WINDOW ON THE NORTH FACADE BE AMENDED TO FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE IS NOTED IN FINDING L AND THAT ALL WINDOWS THAT ARE GROUPED BE SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF AT LEAST SIX INCHES IN WIDTH. 
          UH, THREE THAT THE PROPOSED MATERIALS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BE REVISED TO FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          AS THEY RELATE TO THE HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          ALL COMPOSITE SIDING SHOULD FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH. 
          STAFF FINDS THAT A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD BE INSTALLED AS ROOFING AS A ROOFING MATERIAL CONSISTENT WITH METAL ROOFS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THE PROPOSED ROOF SHOULD FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP, EXCUSE ME, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP AND A STANDARD GAL AND FINISH ALL PANEL PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITH NO STRIATIONS OR CORRUGATION, UH, THAT ALL WINDOWS ADHERE TO STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THE REPORTS PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS FEATURE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE REDUCTION IN FOOTPRINT OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE SETBACK FROM LAMAR STREET, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLING THE GARAGE STRUCTURE EITHER HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING WITH THE FOUR INCH EXPOSURE AND SMOOTH FINISH OR BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING THAT FEATURES BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE WITH BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCH WIDE. 
          ALL COMPOSITE SIDING SHOULD FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE GARAGE STRUCTURE FEATURE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF THAT FEATURES PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM OR LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP IN THE STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH PANEL SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITH NO STRIATIONS OR CORRUGATION. 
          THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR SHOULD BE WOOD OR METAL AND FEATURE WINDOW LIGHTS, UH, AND THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND THAT ALL WAY, ALL WALKWAYS FEATURE WIDTHS PROFILES AND MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          UH, THERE TWO UH, CASE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO A FOUNDATION INSPECTION REQUIREMENT AND A STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF INSPECTION REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS HERE PRESENT WITH US, UM, AND COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO SUBMIT, UH, REVISED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ADDRESS THE MAJORITY OF STAFF'S COMMENTS. 
          UM, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THOSE NOW. 
          HI THERE. 
          UM, I'M JEFF SNYDER. 
          AND SO, UH, LIKE EDWARD SAID, UH, I MET WITH THE D R C AND I REVISED THE DRAWINGS BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT THEY GAVE ME. 
          UM, SO I CAN JUST GO THROUGH THE, DO YOU CONTROL THAT OR CAN I, OKAY, UM, I CAN JUST GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. 
          SO HERE'S THE EMPTY LOT. 
          SO THIS OUTLINES THE CHANGES THAT I MADE. 
          I THINK THE BIGGEST CHANGE WAS JUST A REDUCTION IN SCALE ON THE GARAGE STRUCTURE. 
          SO I LOWERED, UH, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THAT, UM, BY TWO FOOT FIVE. 
          SO IT NOW SITS 
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THREE FOOT FIVE BELOW THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          I ALSO DECREASED THE WIDTH OF THAT AND THEN PUSHED IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, UM, SO THAT IT APPEARED A LITTLE BIT SMALLER FROM THE STREET AND DIDN'T TAKE UP, UH, SO MUCH VISUAL SPACE AND, AND KIND OF GIVE, GAVE PRECEDENT TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I ADDED THE, UM, BASE TO THE COLUMN, UM, THAT DETAIL LIKE EDWARD MENTIONED. 
          UM, I ALSO CHANGED THE MATERIAL OF THE ROOFING TO THE STANDING SEA METAL FROM THE CORRUGATED. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS, I HAD A SQUARE WINDOW ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH I, UH, MADE, UH, KIND OF A RECTANGULAR ONE OVER ONE WINDOW. 
          UM, AND THEN I, I THINK THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTEXT AND SO I DID SOME WORK TO MODEL, UH, A LOT OF THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, INSIGHT. 
          SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THESE RENDERINGS. 
          SO, UM, I'M, I'M ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THE, THE FRONT SETBACK WITH THE PORCH. 
          SO, UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF SITS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN THE, THE FRONT PORCH, UH, OVER SITS A LITTLE BIT BY ABOUT FIVE FEET. 
          UM, AND WHEN I LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSES, IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS IN, UM, IN KEEPING WITH, WITH THOSE DESIGNS, UM, ESPECIALLY THE LAMAR HOUSE ON THE CORNER. 
          AND THEN, UM, SO THERE'S THE, UM, THE OLD GROCERY STORE, WHICH IS POINTED OUT THERE ON THE BOTTOM. 
          UM, THAT ONE ACTUALLY SITS LIKE OVER THE SIDEWALK, UM, WHICH KIND OF MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE IT WAS A GROCERY STORE. 
          BUT ON SOME OF THE OTHER STRUCTURES LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, YOU ALSO SEE REALLY CLOSE SETBACKS. 
          SO I'M MATCHING THE SETBACK ON THE CORNER HOUSE AND THEN ALSO DOWN ON NINE 19 MESQUITE. 
          UM, I'LL ADMIT THERE'S A LOT OF VARIETY. 
          YOU KNOW, 9 0 5 SITS REALLY FAR BACK. 
          UM, SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF VARIABILITY WITH THAT. 
          AND JUST SOME NEIGHBORHOOD PRECEDENTS OF MATERIALS. 
          THINGS I WAS INSPIRED BY. 
          SO WITH THE REVERSE BOARD AND BATTEN, I'M ASKING FOR AN EIGHT INCH, UM, PANEL WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A THINNER REVEAL BETWEEN THE PANELS. 
          UM, AND THEN ON THE METAL, UH, SIDING FOR THE GARAGE STRUCTURE, THE SEVEN EIGHTH INCH SC LOOM, UH, METAL PANEL, AND THEN THE ADDITION OF THE STANDING SEA METAL ON THE ROOF. 
          SO HERE'S THE RENDERINGS, UM, THAT, THAT SHOW THE BUILDING IN CONTEXT. 
          UH, I TRIED TO MATCH THE, THE SETBACK THAT YOU SEE ON 4 0 3 LAMAR WITH THE GARAGE, UM, ON MY STRUCTURE TO MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT WAS, UH, KIND OF HARMONIZING WITH, WITH THE CONTEXT HERE. 
          YOU SEE THAT FROM THE STREET LEVEL AND THEN ALSO JUST THE FRONT SETBACK, UM, UH, SHOWN NEXT TO THREE 30 LAMAR. 
          UM, AND THEN DOWN THE, DOWN THE STREET THERE'S NINE 19 MESQUITE, WHICH ALSO HAS A, A SHALLOWER SETBACK. 
          AND THEN DRIVING, UH, EAST ON LAMAR, JUST A VIEW OF THAT. 
          SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, THE CORNER HOUSE THERE DOWN THE STREET. 
          UH, SO THAT KIND OF ADDRESSED THE SETBACK ISSUES. 
          AND THEN HERE'S JUST KIND OF SOME RENDERINGS OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. 
          SO THERE'S, UM, A MAIN STRUCTURE WITH THE GARAGE, UM, AND SOME SPACE ABOVE THE GARAGE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THIS WRAPAROUND PORCH CONNECTED BY A SCREENED IN PORCH BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES. 
          AND THEN JUST A FEW INTERIOR SHOTS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO ALL THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL SET, WHICH WE CAN GO THROUGH IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THOSE DRAWINGS. 
          UM, BUT OVERALL I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, NEW AND HARMONIZES WELL WITH THE HISTORIC, UH, CONTEXT AND, AND PICKS UP A LOT OF THOSE NOTES. 
          SO, UH, DOES THE COMMITTEE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR 
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ME? UM, ONE MOMENT. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE SOME LETTERS IN OUR PACKET. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY VOICEMAILS? THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 0 2 LOCATED AT NINE 18. 
          DAWSON, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O H P'S FINDINGS AND COMMENTS. 
          THIS APPLICANT ISN'T WANTING TO BUILD ONE ADDITIONAL TWO STORY FAMILY HOME. 
          THEY'RE WANTING, I'M SORRY, THAT'S A VOICEMAIL FOR NINE 18 DAWSON, THERE IS NOT A VOICEMAIL FOR 9 0 1 NORTH MESQUITE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. 
          ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, SO THE, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM, THE ONLY, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT I WAS GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT WERE THE SIDING, UM, BOTH ON THE BOARD AND BATTEN THE EIGHT INCH PROFILE. 
          UM, AND THEN JUST HAVING A NARROWER REVEAL. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THE CORRUGATED METAL SIDING, UM, ON THE STRUCTURE ON THE GARAGE STRUCTURE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF I MAY, UH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH STAFF STIPULATION ONE, UH, THREE AS IT REP AS IT, UH, APPLIES TO THE ROOF PANELS, THEIR WIDTHS BEING 18 INCHES TO 21 INCHES, ET CETERA. 
          FOUR, WHICH IS THE STAFF STANDARDS FOR NEW WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          FIVE, WHICH IS THE STIPULATION REGARDING SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL TRIM. 
          YOU CAN KEEP THAT FAIRLY MINIMAL 'CAUSE I CAN SEE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT VERY CLEAN AESTHETIC, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS THAT AWKWARD CONNECTION OF BEAM TO COLUMN THAT IT TRIM CAN BE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FRIEND IN HIDING SOME OF THAT. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, STIPULATION NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH IS THE STIPULATION FOR THE DRIVEWAY NOT TO EXCEED 10 FEET. 
          UH, I'LL SECOND AND MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS MOTION. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE STAFF AND MOTION AND THE STIPULATION THREE. 
          UM, AND ALSO, SO THE APPLICANT KNOWS IT'S ONLY RELATED TO ROOF MATERIAL ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, I GUESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU FOR EMPHASIZING THAT. 
          I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REST OF STIPULATION THREE IS SORT OF NEGATED BY THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE, UH, OF THE, OF THE, UH, PROJECT AS PRESENTED TODAY, WHICH INCLUDES THE PANELS THAT HE'S WANTING FOR THE, FOR THE WALL PANELS, BUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY THAT, UH, THE ROOF PANELS COMPLY WITH STAFF'S, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER NOT TO, UH, SIDETRACK ANY DISCUSSION. 
          UH, BUT I JUST WANNA REPEAT THAT. 
          UH, APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S STIPULATION ONE THREE IN REGARDS TO ROOFING PANELS ONLY FOUR IN REGARDS TO WINDOWS FIVE IN REGARDS TO COLUMN TRIM AND EIGHT IN REGARDS TO DRIVEWAY WIDTH. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT TO REMAIN FOR, UH, MR. HALL THAT AS PRESENTED TODAY. 
          RIGHT? CERTAINLY WE HAVE THAT. 
          SO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER COMMENTS, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GRUBE, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, SO MY QUESTION WAS JUST CONCERNING, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, CARPENTER'S MOTION. 
          UM, I, UM, FORGIVE ME IF I, UH, MISSED THIS, BUT ARE WE, UH, GOING FOR THE, OR ACCEPTING THE VARIANCE, BUT A FIVE FOOT, I THINK, UM, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. 
          AND SO WHAT YOU'RE REVIEWING TODAY IS, UM, GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL NATURE OF THE, THE SETBACK? THE ZONING SETBACK IS A DIFFERENT BOARD THAT GOES TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU COREY. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO HAVE QUESTIONS AND SOME COMMENTS, OBSERVATIONS. 
          UM, I WAS NOT PART OF THE D R C, SO I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED MM-HMM. 
           AND WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. 
          CAN YOU CONFIRM FOR ME, UM, ON THE NORTH, NO, I'M SORRY, THE EAST FACE OF THE MAIN HOUSE, ARE THOSE PICTURE WINDOWS REMAINING AS PICTURE WINDOWS, OR ARE THOSE GOING TO BE ONE OVER ONE? UM, ON THOSE I WAS PROPOSING THAT THEY BE, UH, PICTURE WINDOWS. 
          WOULD THEY HAVE 
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THE MULIAN OR MUTTON POCKET BETWEEN THE TWO? BETWEEN THE THREE UNITS, THE SIX INCHES? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE ACCESSORY BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
           LACKS WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION IN THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I, I, AT ONE POINT IN THE DESIGN, I HAD THOSE IN THERE AND, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET THOSE IN THERE. 
          ONCE I LOWERED THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF JUST WITH, WITH ALL THAT, IT JUST GOT REALLY TIGHT. 
          UM, SO I ENDED UP TAKING THOSE OUT. 
          WERE THEY IN THE ORIGINAL TALL PLATE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT? YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK WHEN I, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH, ARE THESE THE ORIGINAL EDWARDS? YES. 
          SO THIS, YEAH, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL. 
          SO THEY WEREN'T IN THIS ONE. 
          IT, IT WAS STILL PRETTY TIGHT IN THIS DESIGN EVEN WITH THE HIGHER ROOF. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, AT THIS, AT ONE POINT IT WAS THE SAME HEIGHT AS, UH, THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND I LOWERED IT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN I REMOVED THOSE WINDOWS, UM, ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN I LOWERED IT EVEN FURTHER, IT, IT MADE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET ANYTHING ON THOSE ELEVATIONS. 
          WHAT'S YOUR PLATE HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR? UM, I, I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I THINK IT'S, UH, AROUND, I THINK IT'S AROUND EIGHT FEET, I WANNA SAY. 
          I THINK WITH THE ELEVATION THAT YOU SHOW OR THAT BUILDING SECTION THAT WAS JUST SHOWN, UH, YOU SHOW ANOTHER WINDOW ON THE ADJACENT WALL. 
          I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, SOME WINDOWS FOR THE DWELLING UNIT MM-HMM. 
           ON, ESPECIALLY ON THAT WEST FACE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION OR AN AMEND ALSO, UH, MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE . 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO YES, THE, THE HEIGHT HAS BEEN REDUCED, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          SET BACK A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BUT I STILL THINK IT LOOKS LIKE THIS EXTRUDED BAR KIND OF OBJECT VERSUS A DWELLING UNIT. 
          YEAH, I GET THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION IS IT'S FROM A FUNCTIONAL STANDPOINT AND THAT, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE, UM, MADE SOME CORRECTIONS, UM, ON THAT, A D U WHEN WE GET A DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF A GARAGE WITH NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR A CAR MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S NOT A DRIVEWAY, IT'S, IT, IT'S A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHERE WE HAVE CARS PARKING OVER SIDEWALKS. 
          SO YEAH, I WOULD ADDRESS THAT LATER. 
          MY TIME'S UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, , I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER? COMMISSIONER SAVINA, NEXT TIME? IT'S JUST, I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING. 
          OH, JUST CLOSER TO THE MICS FOR EVERYONE I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          YEAH, WE HAD A HARD, I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING SOME OF IT, BUT IT'S FINE. 
          JUST FOR FUTURE, JUST IN A NUTSHELL, MY COMMENTS WERE ABOUT THE WINDOWS ON THE WEST ELEVATION AND, UM, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE SETBACK TO THE GARAGE DOES NEED TO BE INCREASED EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT IT ACCOMMODATES EVEN A SMALL SEDAN AWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK. 
          RIGHT NOW, ANYTHING THAT PARKS THERE WILL BE SITTING OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT. 
          SHOULDN'T THERE HAVE BEEN A SECOND? NO, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE COMMENTING ON THE MAIN MOTION, AND THEN I'LL GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER SAVINO FOR HER AMENDMENT. 
          OH, FANTASTIC. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, THE, UM, QUESTION, THE, THE STATEMENT THAT, UH, I'M HAVING, UM, KIND OF AN ISSUE ON IT WAS THE RELEGATION OF THE SETBACK BECAUSE THERE'S AN OVERARCHING, UH, ISSUE THAT, UH, I THINK SETS A, I MEAN, I'M ALL RIGHT WITH IT, BUT I I, WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT ABOUT IN THE FUTURE THAT, THAT IT DOES ALTER THE, YOU KNOW, PREVAILING SETBACK IN AN AVERAGE OF WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE. 
          AND I, I DON'T RECOGNIZE, UM, THE KIND OF THE, UH, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY OMISSION OF THAT AS A, AS A, UH, AS AN ITEM THAT, THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE GIVEN, UH, OTHER APPLICANTS A VERY LENGTHY HARD TIME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UM, LOCATION OF A BUILDING SITTING ON ITS ON, ON, ON A SETBACK THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY IS, IS DESIGNED ON A, UM, OUTSIDE OF, UH, OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE, THE, HOW WE COULD HEAR IT, RIGHT WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, BEFORE THE VARIANCE. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, UH, UH, IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE VARIANCE SHOULD HAVE TO BE, 
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UH, RECEIVED FIRST BEFORE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER IT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE PREVAILING, UM, SETBACK. 
          IT DOES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE STANDARD THAT, THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT COME BEFORE US, THAT THAT, UM, THEY WOULD SEEM THAT, THAT THIS IS NOT THAN ANY OF THE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          NOW THAT BEING SAID, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, THE, UM, UH, AM AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT, THAT THE PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED WITH CORRUGATED ROOF MATERIAL AND THAT IT'S BEEN, UH, SWAPPED OUT FOR STANDING SEAT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, W WITHIN I, I'M LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR OVERALL DESIGN. 
          IT, IT, IT IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL IN THAT IT'S VERY CONSISTENT, WHICH TELLS ME THAT, THAT YOU HAVE A, A VERY, UM, UH, INTENTIONAL, UM, FRAMEWORK FOR YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. 
          AND, AND INSIDE OF THAT, UH, I, I DON'T, I ALMOST PERSONALLY, I DON'T WANNA SEE IT AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR DESIGN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT EVEN AS YOUR DESIGN, IT SHOULD FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE, OF THE SETBACK. 
          AND THEN YOU GO GET YOUR VARIANCE AND COME BACK, AND THEN THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT, UM, I, I ALMOST CAN'T SEE IT THE WAY YOU'RE PRESENTING IT BECAUSE MY MIND ALREADY WANTS TO SEE IT CORRUGATED. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TO YOU IS, UH, IN THE, THAT, THAT AFFECTS THE INTEGRITY OF, OF, OF YOUR DESIGN? LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. 
          YOU'RE LOOKING BACK AT YOUR DESIGN 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, MAN, IF ONLY THEY COULD HAVE SEEN IT WITH A CORRUGATED TIN ROOF, THIS WOULD REALLY BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T SEE AS REALLY, UH, UM, TO THE DETRIMENT OF, OF THE SPIRIT OF YOUR DESIGN? UH, ARE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SIDING ISSUE OR THE, THE STANDING SEAM? THE ROOFING ISSUE? UM, YEAH, THE ROOF, THE CORRUGATED VERSUS THE STANDING SEAM. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I LIKED THE CORRUGATED ROOFING, UM, BUT I ALSO LIKED THE STANDING SEAM, AND I, AND I DO SEE HOW THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE HISTORIC. 
          UM, AND SO IN MY CALCULATION, THAT SEEMED LIKE IT, IT WAS A GOOD MOVE TO MAKE, UH, STANDING SEEMS A LITTLE BIT BETTER OR EASIER TO DETAIL, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO RAIN. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALSO A CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAS THE REASON THAT I, I CHANGED THAT ON THE ROOF. 
          WELL, GREAT, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPECTING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DESIGN LICENSE HERE NOW. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR THOUGH, I HOPE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THE, THE SETBACK ASPECT OF IT IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO OTHERS, BUT I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MAIN MENU? I MEAN, MAIN MOTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. 
          AND THIS IS TO FOLLOW UP TO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ'S QUESTION, TO, TO JUSTIFY WHY I THINK, UM, THIS IS ACCEPTABLE IN THIS INSTANCE. 
          UH, BECAUSE I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TRY TO, UH, EXERCISE AS MUCH CONSISTENCY AS POSSIBLE. 
          IN THIS INSTANCE, THOUGH, YOU'LL NOTICE THROUGHOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE'S FREQUENTLY THE CORNER LOTS, THE HOUSES ARE CLOSER TO, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALKS. 
          AND THEN AS YOU GET TO THE MIDBLOCK, THE, THE STRUCTURES TEND TO STEP BACK. 
          THERE'S A PATTERN WE SEE ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO WHERE THERE'S A KIND OF A BOOK ENDING THAT OCCURS IN THE BLOCKS. 
          AND I FELT LIKE THAT THE, THE, UH, THE MASSING AND THE, UH, APPROACH WITH THIS WRAPAROUND PORCH, UM, UH, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS, IS AN APPROPRIATE ADDRESSING OF THAT CORNER. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT, THE, UH, APPLICANT WILL STILL HAVE TO SEEK THE VARIANCE. 
          AND FREQUENTLY WE HAVE APPLICANTS COME TO US PRIOR TO SEEKING THE VARIANCE, AND THEN THEY USE, UH, A H DRCS APPROVAL AS, AS PART OF BOLSTERING THEIR, UH, ARGUMENT WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU WANT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          LET ME GIVE THIS A SHOT. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT, UM, AND I, UH, TO ADD A STIPULATION NUMBER NINE, TO INCREASE THE GARAGE SETBACK TO A MINIMUM OF 16 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND AN AMENDMENT FOR STIPULATION NUMBER 10 TO INCLUDE WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE A D U THAT CONFORM TO O P'S GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          I SECOND THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A MOTION. 
          UM, SO NOW WE HAVE, SO YOU, HOW MUCH, 
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YOU SAID YOU WANTED SIX FEET FOR THE GARAGE, HOW MUCH MORE IS THAT 16 FEET TOTAL FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH. 
          AND HOW MUCH MORE WOULD THAT BE FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, I, I, I DON'T THINK I COULD COMPLY WITH THAT. 
          I HAVE TO, WELL, I SECOND AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. 
          YEAH. 
          BECAUSE, UM, I THINK IT IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR THE APPLICANT TO COMPLY WITH IT. 
          AND ACTUALLY BY INCREASING THE SETBACK ON THE GARAGE, SORRY, WHAT? I THINK WE ARE ENCOURAGING MORE THAT, UH, STREET PARKING, WHEN THE SETBACK IS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE WILL AVOID ACTUALLY PEOPLE PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE DOOR WITH A GARAGE DOOR THAT'S CLOSED. 
          I KNOW YOU SAID THAT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I SEE IT IN KING WILLIAM. 
          I'VE SEEN IT, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          RIGHT? SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THE CAR PARKED ON THE HALF SIDEWALK AND HALF GARAGE, UM, WHATEVER, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A DRIVEWAY 'CAUSE IT'S NOT GARAGE ENTRY. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS ACTUALLY POSSIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          AND ON THE WINDOWS IT IS, UH, THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT'S NOT VISIBLE. 
          I KNOW WE ALWAYS, UM, WE FOCUS A LOT ON HAVING, UM, FENESTRATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURES AND NOT SO MUCH ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL, UM, I'LL SECOND, I'LL ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT TO THE SECOND. 
          UH, IF IT, IF THE MOTION IS AMENDED, THEN I WITHDRAW MY SECOND. 
          I GUESS IT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. 
          OR, WELL ACTUALLY, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER SECONDED THE AMENDMENT MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SINCE I DID THE SECOND ON THE MOTION, DO I HAVE INITIAL MOTION? YEAH. 
          INITIAL MOTION? YEAH. 
          OH NO, MAYBE IT WAS COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS ONE MORE COMMENT, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE NOW DISCUSSING THE AMENDMENT AND SO, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH. 
          ON, ON THE, IF YOU HAVE TO PUSH THE SETBACK TO 16 FEET, HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE DO YOU LOSE? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE 16 FEET ON THE BACK END OF THAT STRUCTURE? I, I, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO MEASURE, BUT I, I THINK IT WOULD TAKE IT ROUGHLY IN, IN LINE WITH, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, I GUESS. 
          I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION RIGHT THERE. 
          ON, ON THE, ON THE GARAGE STRUCTURE, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IT IN. 
          YEAH, I MEAN ON THAT LOT RIGHT THERE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? WHAT'S FENCE LINE TO THE BACK OF BUILDING THERE? UM, I MIGHT HAVE IT IN MY DRAWINGS. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK IT WOULD, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS NOW, IT WOULD TAKE IT ROUGHLY IN, IN LINE WITH THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          AND, UM, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY, BUT IT WOULD BE CLOSE TO THAT. 
          AND, UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD, I WOULD STRUGGLE TO EVEN GET ENOUGH SPACE FOR A FULL GARAGE, LIKE TO FIT A CAR WITHIN THAT SPACE LEFTOVER. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NOT TAKING UP THE SIDEWALK WITH A CAR. 
          AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          I THINK IN THIS INSTANCE IT'S, UH, THE LOT IS VERY NARROW AND, AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE AS MUCH SPACE AS, UH, AS WE WOULD ALL LIKE THERE. 
          AND, UM, I THINK IF I WERE TO, UH, HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO DO ANYTHING THERE. 
          COMMISSIONERS FOR A VISUAL, UM, I'M TRYING TO DRAW A SQUARE HERE, BUT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SAYING IS BASICALLY THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE THE SAME FOOTPRINT TO LAMAR STREET, OR WOULD HAVE THE SAME WALL TO LAMAR STREET AS THE PRIMARY HOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          COLUMN, COLUMN GRID B THAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          I HAVE NO ON DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PARKING, THIS IS A NARROW LOT AND IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE THAT, THAT THE DRIVE IS COMING IN FROM LAMAR. 
          I THINK THE SANDBORN SHOWS IT'S COMING IN FROM LAMAR WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT ISN'T EXACTLY HERE, BUT IS STREET ADJACENT. 
          DID STAFF PUT THE SANDBORN BACK? I, I, I GENERALLY CONCUR WITH STAFF'S ASSESSMENT ABOUT THE SETBACKS IN THIS, THIS CASE. 
          UH, IT IS RARE THAT I, THAT I WOULD SUPPORT CREATING A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD CALL FRONT YARD OR SIDE YARD PARKING WHERE WE HAVE THIS ISSUE. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITE AND ITS PARTICULAR ARRANGEMENT HERE AT THE CORNER OF LAMAR AND MESQUITE IS THAT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          AND WHILE I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE, THE SITUATION IT CREATES, I, I THINK I'LL, I'LL BE SUPPORTING 
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THE ORIGINAL MOTION HERE. 
          I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT ISN'T INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          UH, BUT TO, TO TAKE EVERYTHING IN THE REAR YARD THERE AND PUSH IT BACK TO A SETBACK EQUAL TO THE HOUSE, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM QUITE RIGHT TO ME, GIVEN THE NARROWNESS OF THE LOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UM, MR. CHAIR, I, I FEEL THAT THE, UM, WELL, LET ME USE A BETTER WORD THAN FEEL. 
          MY OBSERVATION IS THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON THE PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, UM, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, UM, WHEN COMMUNITY OR OR COMMISSION, UH, COMMENTS ON MASSING. 
          RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE, THE ARGUMENT FOR THE GARAGE DOOR IS THAT THAT'S NOT A, A DRIVEWAY FOR PARKING. 
          IT'S A DRIVEWAY FOR THE ENTRY INTO A GARAGE. 
          SO THE THEORY HERE WOULD BE THAT THE CAR IS NEVER PARKED OUT THERE ON THE DRIVEWAY. 
          IT'S ALWAYS PARKED IN THE GARAGE. 
          SO LET'S SAY IT HAS A GARAGE DOOR, CLICK A BUTTON, IT OPENS, YOU DRIVE IN, YOU GET OUT AND YOU'RE INSIDE YOUR HOUSE COMPLEX. 
          BUT GETTING TO THE RATIONALE BEHIND WHY IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE BUILDING TO BE FIVE FEET OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, YET THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A CAR TO STATION ITSELF IF YOU WANT A TRADITIONAL DRIVEWAY, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, BUT IT ALL COMES BACK TO THE, TO KIND OF A POINT THAT THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, KIND OF, UH, THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THAT ENABLE THINGS THAT, THAT AREN'T NORMALLY THE KIND OF THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION ENABLES. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING IF WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          BUT, BUT, UH, UH, I I ALSO THINK THAT, THAT WE SHOULD PREPARE OURSELVES TO BE, UM, UM, UH, OPEN TO THIS TYPE OF DESIGN SOLUTION, NOT WHEN IT'S JUST THIS DESIGNER. 
          UH, BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S OTHER DESIGNS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THAT ARE EQUALLY AS BEAUTIFUL AND EQUALLY AS WELL THOUGHT OUT, YET THEY DON'T GET THE SAME CONSIDERATION. 
          THE, UM, UH, AND, AND THAT'S INHERENT IN THE FACT THAT IT HAS TO GET PUSHED OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, UH, WHERE IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO A STOREFRONT, YET IT'S NOT A STORE AND WHERE THERE'S NO SPACE, UH, FOR A DRIVEWAY. 
          MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, MR. CHAIR, THAT IF THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD THE WAY THAT IT IS, THAT THIS COMMISSION AND THE DOC, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION, COMMIT TO THE CREATION OF A, OF A, OF A BOOKLET OF PRECEDENT, WHETHER IT'S BY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, BY NEIGHBORHOOD, OR BY KIND OF CITYWIDE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THAT OTHERS ARE ABLE TO OPEN THAT BOOK AND POINT AT THIS BUILDING AND SAY, HEY, THAT, THAT YOU LET THAT HAPPEN HERE, AND ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, THERE STILL SHOULD BE SOME GUIDELINE THAT HOLDS US ACCOUNTABLE TO SOME, SOME SET OF PRECEDENTS. 
          BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A PERFECT PROJECT, TO SOME EXTENT IT IS, UH, BUT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT, THEN, THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR WIGGLE ROOM TO FIGURE OUT HOW ONE THING IS GONNA WORK VERSUS ANOTHER THING WHEN TYPICALLY THE REASON IT DOESN'T WORK'S BECAUSE THE MASSING IS TOO. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME DOWN THERE? JUST SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE? IT HELPS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT I DO LIKE, DON'T GET ME WRONG, UM, EVEN CLOSER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, A LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT I DO LIKE, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, I GUESS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE 20 FOOT SETBACK IN THE BACK MM-HMM. 
          , UH, I MEAN, I MAINTAIN THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE VERY HONESTLY, AND THIS IS ASIDE, INSTEAD OF GETTING THE VARIANCE, I WOULD'VE GOTTEN A REZONING FOR RMM FOUR. 
          FLIP THAT THING, AND YOU WOULD HAVE ROOM FOR THAT ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR AND YOU'D HAVE ROOM FOR THAT GARAGE TO SIT BACK AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE, THE 20 BY WHATEVER, UH, WITH NO DOORS TO IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, UH, DELAYED PROGRAMMING ANYWAY. 
          UM, I'M ALWAYS AN ADVOCATE FOR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS MM-HMM. 
          , AND I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR, UM, MAKING SURE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THAT THINGS DON'T HAPPEN IN MY HISTORIC DISTRICT, IN YOUR HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT BECOME PRECEDENTS BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS WILL BECOME. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FRONT SETBACK, ESPECIALLY WITH THE A D U IN THE GARAGE. 
          OTHERWISE, I THINK THERE'S SOME, A LOT OF NICE THINGS GOING ON IN THE PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON CERTAIN ISSUES THAT WE DISCUSSED DURING THE D R C, SUCH AS THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UM, AND THE GOING FOLLOWING STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS 
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IN TERMS OF THE ROOFING, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, YOUR SIDING. 
          I DO THINK THAT, UH, POSSIBLY WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES, UH, COULD ENHANCE THE PROJECT AND BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, SINCE THAT WILL BE, UH, FAIRLY PROMINENT AS YOU DRIVE EAST ON, ON, UH, THE STREET. 
          UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THAT PARTICULAR LOT, UM, HAVING THE ENTRANCE TO THE GARAGE, I WOULD, UH, AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, THAT, UH, I'M NOT SURE I'LL SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO, UM, I WILL NOW HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH NAY, SAVINA AYE. 
          AYE. 
          QUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GRO NAYYY ANTE. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT, WHICH IS THE 16 FOOT SETBACK, CORRECT. 
          AND WINDOWS ON THE EAST AND WEST FACADES OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE? NO, BUT SIR, NO, IT'S A TIE VOTE. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          THE MOTION FAILS. 
          FOUR TO FOUR. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO ESSENTIALLY, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY ADOPTS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, ENO'S, UH, MOTION PORTION OF THE MOTION CONCERNING WINDOWS ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YOU'RE KEEPING THAT ON THE, IN THE AMENDMENT BASICALLY WINDOWS ADDED TO THE, UH, THE BLIND SIDES OF THE, UM, CURRENTLY, UH, BLANK FACADES OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          I SECOND THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION. 
          FIRST, UH, MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? UM, I, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO ADD TO THAT. 
          I THINK IT, IT HELPS TO, UH, TO HAVE, UH, SOME FENESTRATION ON THOSE ELEVATIONS. 
          I THINK IT, IT, THEY, THEY WILL BE FAIRLY PROMINENT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THAT BACKYARD SETBACK. 
          SO I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A REASONABLE, UH, REQUEST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          UM, JUST, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I THINK THIS, UM, I THINK A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS HERE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, UH, GOOD AMENDMENT AND I'LL SUPPORT IT. 
          UM, JUST FOR COMMISSIONER FISH'S COMMENTS TOO, UM, IS THE APPLICANT OPEN TO DO 1 0 0 1 ON THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS ON THE MESQUITE SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOME? UH, YES. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU WERE RELATED YOUR COMMENT, UH, TOWARDS, I THINK, RIGHT? YES, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE CURRENT MOTION. 
          NO. 
          AND I WAS GONNA ASK IF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE WINDOW STIPULATION THAT HE'S ADDING TO THE AMENDMENT. 
          NOW, NOW THAT WE HAVE A SECOND, WE'RE DISCUSSING THE AMENDMENT THAT'S ON THE TABLE ONLY. 
          YEP. 
          SO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          MR. CHAIR, IS IT POSSIBLE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE, TO THE CURRENT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE STIPULATION TWO? OR DO WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THE CURRENT AMENDMENT? WE DEAL WITH THE CURRENT AMENDMENT, THEN WE COULD HAVE A SECOND AMENDMENT. 
          MR. CHAIR, THIS IS ALREADY THE PROPO, THE SECOND PROPOSED AMENDMENT. 
          YOU ONLY GET TWO, YOU ONLY GET TWO AMENDMENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WE CANNOT AMEND ON THE THIRD TIME THE MOVEMENT CAN CLARIFY HIS AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, CHAIRMAN, MR. CARPENTER WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY YES. 
          PERMIT ME TO CLARIFY MY MOTION. 
          I THINK, I THINK THIS IS, UM, ANYWAYS, OKAY, SO YES, I, I MOVE FOR THE INCLUSION OF WINDOWS ON THE CURRENTLY BLANK FACADES OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY, UH, EAST ELEVATION. 
          MY SECOND STANDS OKAY, MOTION. 
          AND SECOND 
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COMMISSIONER SAVINA. 
          AND NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UH, MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT THE ELEVATION THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS A, IS A GOOD ELEVATION TO HAVE ON THE SCREEN. 
          IT, IT, IT'S A GOOD, UH, KIND OF DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN AS IT'S INTENDED. 
          THE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA NOT SUPPORT, UH, A MOTION THAT, THAT I THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS APPLICANT JUST TO GET HIS PROJECT THROUGH. 
          BUT I, I WANNA DO SO IN A WAY THAT, THAT ENSURES THIS APPLICANT THAT, UH, THIS IS A BEAUTIFULLY, UH, PROPORTIONED PROJECT AND I CAN SEE WHERE THERE'S NOT A WINDOW THAT IT CREATES A VERY POETIC SPACE, AND I CAN, I CAN PUT MYSELF IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND I THINK I CAN GET A SENSE OF, OF, OF, OF HIS AVATAR BEING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, BUT, BUT I, I DO JUST WANT TO REITERATE, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S SAYING TOO MUCH TO JUST, UH, TELL YOU, MR. CHAIR, THAT, THAT I THINK THIS IS A PROJECT WORTH REMEMBERING. 
          UM, ALL OF THE, IT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO ON A SITE TO SITE OR CASE BY CASE BASIS THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. 
          SO WE CAN USE THAT HOWEVER YOU WANNA USE IT. 
          BUT, UM, THIS PROJECT DOES SET SOME PRECEDENT THAT I AM WHOLLY IN FAVOR OF. 
          I HOPE THAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MANAGES TO MAINTAIN THAT THE SPIRIT OF, OF, UH, OF, OF THE POSSIBILITIES OF, OF THIS PROJECT WITH THOSE OTHER DESIGNERS THAT, THAT COME BEFORE US, THAT HAVE BRAND NEW SETS OF PROPERTY THAT HAVE NOTHING ON THEM, AND THEY HAVE TOO MUCH MASSING. 
          MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER, JUST TO KEEP IT FOCUSED ON WHAT WE WERE IN FRONT OF US THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE VERY PROJECT THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, OKAY? IT'S A PRECEDENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL NOW VOTE ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SO THE AMENDED MOTION AMENDMENT PASSES. 
          SO NOW WE WILL VOTE ON MAY I HAVE A, A VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION? IS THAT HOW WE CALL THAT? UH, YOU HAVE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'LL NOW HAVE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA, I MEAN FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA NAY. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NAY. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX TO TWO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON US TRYING TO GET THIS ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IN THE RIGHT ORDER. 
          ? I? YEAH, I CAN GET IT. 
          SO, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THIS IS KIND OF NEW. 
          THIS PROCESS IS NEW FOR ME. 
          SO, UH, I GUESS THIS MEANS THAT THE PLANS ARE APPROVED WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF ADDING THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE GARAGE UNIT AND THEN THE ONE OVER ONE. 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          STIPULATIONS 1, 3, 4, 5 WITH THE ORIGINAL STIPULATIONS THAT, YES, MR. CARPENTER PUT. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 99 360 3 NORTH. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO, ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING ASBESTOS TILE, SIDING AND BRICK WAINSCOTING AND INSTALL NEW LAP SIDING. 
          TWO, PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF TWO ONE OVER ONE. 
          WINDOWS THREE, PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE WEST SIDE FACADE TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING DOOR OPENING IN THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING CONCRETE STOOP AND STEPS AND FOUR, INSTALL NEW ROUNDED PORCH STEPS TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING FACADE TILES AND BRICK WAINSCOTING FOR THE INSTALLATION OF LAP SIDING IS NOTED IN FINDING. 
          C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE TILE, THAT THE EXISTING SIDING TILE PROFILE BE MAINTAINED REPLACEMENT WITH THE FIBER CEMENT TILE WITH MET WITH MATCHING PROFILE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE AS NOTED IN FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT EITHER WINDOWS BE ADDED ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE ENCLOSED PORCH. 
          THREE, IT IS AN OPEN ELEMENT WITH VISIBLE PORCH COLUMNS 
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OR THAT THE STRUCTURE BE RETURNED TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIDE AS THE WEST FACADE TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING DOOR OPENING AND THE REMOVAL OF AN EX OF A, OF AN EXISTING CONCRETE STOOP AND STEPS IS NOTED IN FINDING. 
          E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE DOOR OPENING CONCRETE STOOP AND STAIRS BE PRESERVED. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF NEW ROUNDED PORCH STEPS AND A CONCRETE APRON IS NOTED IN FINDING F ENCOUNTER REPLACEMENT WITH CONCRETE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH NO CHANGE TO PROFILE. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          UH, MR. TOM GANDY. 
          UH, HELLO? YES, MY NAME'S THOMAS GANDY. 
          UH, 3 6 3 NORTH DRIVE. 
          UM, OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE HOUSE. 
          UH, THE BRICK, UH, IS NOT ORIGINAL. 
          UH, THERE WAS A FIRE IN THE EIGHTIES, I GUESS WITH THE INSURANCE MONEY. 
          THEY TRIED TO FANCY IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DAMAGE, UH, ALL THESE THINGS WERE ADDED. 
          THEY, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME. 
          UH, THE BRICK IS NOT ORIGINAL. 
          UH, AND THE, THAT BACK STOOP AND THAT DOOR THERE WAS ORIGINALLY WAS NOT THERE. 
          UM, THAT LANDING RIGHT THERE MAKES MY DRIVEWAY ALMOST UN IN. 
          I, I, I RIDE A MOTORCYCLE SO I CAN GET IN OUT OF IT. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET YOUR CAR IN AND OUT. 
          UM, I JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY I COULD, UH, I THINK, AND THERE'S THE, IT JUST SEEMS A LOT CLEANER WITH THE PLANS THAT I'VE PREPARED FOR YOU. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU COULD RECONSIDER ANY  OF THE THINGS AND THE FRONT DOORSTEP, UH, IS DANGEROUS? UH, IT WAS ALSO, ALL THIS STUFF WAS ADDED TO, YOU CAN'T REALLY, THE STEP IS YOU CAN'T, IT'S UNUSABLE. 
          UH, IT WAS ADDED, UM, THE HOUSE WAS IN A MUCH DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION ORIGINALLY. 
          HISTORICALLY, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I I WAS TRYING TO GET IT BACK AT MY, TO MORE OF THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL HOME. 
          AND WHEN I ASK ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAY TO GO, UM, THEY SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ECLECTIC AND . 
          I, I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT, AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S, UM, THE G A F SIDING THAT MATCHES THAT. 
          IT'S NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M SURE I CAN IN THIS REGION, IF I CAN FIND IT. 
          IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, I MEAN, THERE'S LITERALLY EVERY KIND OF SIDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME WITH A, LIKE A BEAD AT THE BOTTOM THAT'S PRETTY PREVALENT THAT WOULD LOOK NICE, WHICH HARDY MAKES A COPY OF THAT I THINK WOULD LOOK REALLY NICE. 
          UM, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF I COULD, IF ANY, ANY OF MY CHANGES WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, VOICEMAILS WE HAVE IN-PERSON? SPEAKER, UM, BIANCA MALDONADO? YES. 
          AND MS. MALANO SHOULD RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. 
          TOM SIMMONS IS ALSO HERE AND SIGNED IN AND IS YIELDING HIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO AND I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          THE CASE FOR 360 3 NORTH DRIVE IS A UNIQUE CASE AND THAT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK HAS BEEN PERFORMED SINCE 2019. 
          WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WITHOUT PROPER CITY PERMITS, M P N A HAS RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY IN REGARDS TO 360 3 NORTH DRIVE, SPECIFICALLY RESIDENTS WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE H D R C PROCESS AND INVESTED IN THEIR 
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HISTORIC HOMES. 
          M P A DIRECTED THESE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS TO O H P. 
          THE EXTERIOR WORK FINALLY STOPPED IN JULY OF 2021 AT 360 3 NORTH DRIVE. 
          THE ENCLOSURE OF THE FRONT PORCH BEGAN IN APRIL OF 2019 AS DOCUMENTED ON THE GOOGLE EARTH PHOTOS AND HAS PROGRESSED TO BEING COMPLETELY ENCLOSED. 
          THE OTHER THREE REMAINING ELEVATIONS, THE WEST, THE EAST, AND THE NORTH, HAVE ALSO BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED WITH REMOVAL OF WINDOWS, DOORS, AND THE INSTALLATION OF VINYL WINDOWS AND THE REMOVAL OF EXTERIOR CLADDING ORIGINAL TO THE HOME. 
          IT IS DISHEARTENING TO SEE THE SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE HOME AT 360 3 NORTH DRIVE. 
          WE NOTE THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME. 
          THE LEDGE ON THE FRONT OF THE CASEMENT WINDOW IS ALSO A VERY PREVALENT CHARACTERISTIC ON SEVERAL OF THE HOMES ON THE 300 BLOCK OF NORTH DRIVE, AND ALSO SEVERAL HOMES ON CLUB DRIVE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ONE HOME ON MARY LOUISE. 
          THESE ARE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS. 
          SOME OF THE HOMES ON THE 300 BLOCK OF NORTH DRIVE WERE DEVELOP SCENERY AS THE BASE ELEMENT. 
          THE WAYNES COING TO THE HOME STRUCTURE, USUALLY ONLY ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME AND CEMENT BOARD SIDING. 
          THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE THIRTIES AND FORTIES IN MONTICELLO PARK AS COMPARED TO ALL STONE OR ALL BRICK HOMES AS 360 3 NORTH WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THIS MANNER. 
          SEVERAL HOMES ON THIS BLOCK HAVE A VERY SMALL MASONRY ELEMENT ON THE BASE OF THE HOME, BUT THE REST OF IT IS CEMENT BOARD. 
          WE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT 360 3 NORTH DRIVE WAS A PART OF THE INITIAL FOOTPRINT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1995. 
          ALSO IN DECEMBER OF 2017. 
          H D R C CASE 2017 DASH SIX 16, THE APPLICANT, MR. THOMAS GANDY, FOR 360 3 NORTH DRIVE DID NOT RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM H D R C FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT AT THAT TIME. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR AT THIS TIME, BUT ASK THAT THE FRONT PORCH BE RESTORED. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST O H P AND H D R C OFFER RESOURCES SUCH AS THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING OR A POTENTIAL ONSITE REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING TO ASSIST THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE APPLICATION. 
          IT IS OUR HOPE THAT THIS PROPERTY MAY BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND INSPECTED AND PERMITTED BY THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? NO, THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY, MR. GANDY, COME BACK, PLEASE. 
          YES. 
          UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS TO WHAT WAS SAID THERE? THERE WERE NO WINDOW MODIFICATIONS. 
          THE REASON THE, UM, THE FRONT PORCH WAS FALLING DOWN, IT WAS ROTTED OUT. 
          I THAT WAS THE CHEAPEST, EASIEST WAY TO SECURE IT. 
          UM, AND THE, AND THE BRICK IS NOT ORIGINAL. 
          IF, IF YOU, YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY MODIFIED THE GUTTERS, THE DOWNSPOUTS, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEST SIDE PHOTOGRAPH, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S LITERALLY THEY USE 10 CANS. 
          , IF YOU, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN ON THAT FRONT CORNER, UH, DOWN, YEAH. 
          THERE'S LITERALLY, THAT'S A TIN CAN THAT THEY USED TO MODIFY THAT TO GET IT AROUND THAT ADDITION. 
          SO THEY, THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME. 
          IT'S, IF YOU LOOKED AT IT, IT'S VERY PLAINLY, UH, ADDITION OF FROM TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          IT WAS DONE SOMETIME IN THE EIGHTIES, EIGHTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES, LATE SEVENTIES. 
          UM, I JUST, I THINK IT, UM, I THINK IT DISTRACT, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER IF IT WAS CLEAN AND AS, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY, WHICH WAS WITHOUT THE BRICK. 
          AND IF YEAH, IF YOU WANTED TO SEND SOME, I MEAN, IT'S NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOME AND THERE'S NO VINYL WINDOWS IN THE HOME, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE A LOT OF VINYL WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK FOR, OKAY. 
          UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UH, SO, UM, I I, I REALLY THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT, BUT I DO NOT WANT, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TO HER. 
          I THINK WE, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A POINT. 
          I THINK THIS SHOULD BE 
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A D R C SHOULD ALSO BE A SITE VISIT, UM, YOUR HOME AND, AND THE DISCUSSION OF THE BRICK WALL. 
          WE CAN DISAGREE, BUT WE CAN ALSO, BY LOOKING AT A SITE VISIT, LOOK AT THE OTHER HOMES ON, ON NORTH. 
          BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DO HAVE THAT BRICK WALL. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT EVEN IF THE FRONT FRONT PORCH WAS FALLING DOWN, WE ARE IN TIME TO MAYBE FIND A SOLUTION TO RESTORE SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          MAYBE THE SIDE STEPS COULD BE DISCUSSED, I THINK ON THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE SOME WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, THERE ARE WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED THAT HAVE NOT, WELL, THERE'S A ENCLOSED WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE, UM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME DISCUSSION OF WHETHER AND THERE WERE SOME WINDOWS OR NOT. 
          BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS MERITS A SITE VISIT AND I WOULDN'T MOVE FOR A D R C SITE VISIT AND A D R C MEETING, UH, FOLLOWING I SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          UM, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT COMMISSIONER GROUP TO YOUR DISCUSSION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING HERE. 
          I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT. 
          I THINK THERE'S JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND, AND, AND YOU, YOU GET THE CHANCE TO GET SOME OF THE EXPERTISE FROM, FROM MY PEERS HERE TO KIND OF, HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN MOVE LEFT OR RIGHT, HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF FOCUS ON IT, AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY POKE THOSE BRICKS AND SEE IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY REAL AND MAKE A DETERMINATION ON ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND THEY'RE REAL BRICKS, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP. 
          AND I THINK YOU SHOULD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IMAGINE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          NO COMMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, MAYBE FOR STAFF AS WELL. 
          STAFF, COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND ZOOM IN ON THIS FRONT PORCH? I BELIEVE THIS, THIS IMAGE IS DATED 2019, AND THERE'S, I'M NOTICING SOMETHING STRANGE IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER. 
          THIS BLACK MATERIAL, I, I CAN'T IDENTIFY IT, BUT IT NOW COVERS THE WHOLE THING. 
          CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND WHAT'S BEHIND THE MATERIAL THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY BEING USED TO ENCLOSE THE PORCH? UH, I, I CAN EXPLAIN TO MR. GANDY, YOU CAN CLARIFY WHERE I GO WRONG. 
          SO, COMMISSIONER FISH, THE FRONT FACADE, UH, THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE PURPLE MATERIAL, UH, IS ENCLOSING WHAT PREVIOUSLY OR MOST RECENTLY SERVED AS AN OPEN AIR SCREENED IN PORCH. 
          BEHIND THAT IS THE ORIGINAL FRONT FACADE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, SO THE FRONT, IF YOU WALK THROUGH THIS FRONT SCREEN DOOR, YOU'D BE IN THE SPACE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE FRONT PORCH. 
          THE ACTUAL FIRST INTERIOR DOOR, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IS IMMEDIATELY TO YOUR LEFT. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO THE, THE OPENINGS THAT WE SEE HERE, THE SCREEN END OPENINGS, THOSE ARE CURRENTLY INTACT BEHIND THE MATERIAL THAT WE SEE. 
          MR. FAN, YOU'LL NEED TO CLARIFY. 
          UM, A, A PORTION OF THOSE ARE, YOU CAN SEE THE ARCHED OPENING HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT STOPS AND, AND THIS ENCLOSES THEN THE REST OF THE, THE FRONT, UH, PORTION. 
          SO THIS IS MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. 
          WHAT IS BEHIND THAT BLACK MATERIAL? UH, IT'S, IT'S PURPLE , BUT PURPLE OR PURPLE? SURE. 
          UH, YEAH, DARK PURPLE. 
          UH, IT, I, UH, TWO BY FOURS AND PLYWOOD WHILE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL HAD BEEN REMOVED WAS, YES. 
          YES. 
          WHAT OTHER, WHAT OTHER ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS OR SO SINCE YOU'VE, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ORIGINAL OR, OR MATERIALS THAT THERE BEEN REMOVED WITHOUT PERMIT, I GUESS IS A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT WAS. 
          OKAY, BECAUSE I GUESS IT'S UP TO US. 
          THERE WAS A, UH, THERE WAS A DOOR ON THE WEST SIDE STAFF. 
          CAN YOU PULL THAT IMAGE UP JUST SO I UNDERSTAND? I'LL GO TO THE, TO THE TOP. 
          THERE'S A BETTER, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PORCH, THERE WAS A DOOR, ESSENTIALLY RIGHT HERE. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS THAT IN AN AS-BUILT, UH, WELL, THERE ON THIS FACADE, THERE SHOULD BE A DOOR APPROXIMATELY, UH, RIGHT AT THE LANDING OF THIS STOOP. 
          SO, UH, THIS FACADE, THERE'S A DOOR THAT WAS REMOVED, UM, THE FRONT PORCH, THE PREVIOUS CONDITION HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO WHERE ESSENTIALLY NOW YOU HAVE THIS, UH, UH, PURPLE MATERIAL THAT'S ENCLOSING THE FRONT FACADE. 
          UM, THAT'S THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UH, THE REMOVAL OF WAINSCOTING AND THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING, UH, OR THE TILED SIDING, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL, UH, IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY REQUESTING IN ADDITION TO APPROVAL FOR, UH, PAST MODIFICATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL BE, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS MADE FOR A SITE VISIT, BUT FROM WHAT I, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL STAFF'S FINDINGS IS WHERE I, WHERE I SIT, I THINK IF THERE WERE ADDITIONS THAT COULD BE, UH, LATER ADDITIONS THAT COULD BE REMOVED, A SITE VISIT MIGHT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE AND FIND THE CLEAREST WAY FORWARD. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN SCHEDULE THAT REALLY QUICKLY IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          YES, VELAZQUEZ, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 
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COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR A SITE. 
          D R C. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND ZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 13. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GANDY. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 0 2 9 9 18. 
          DAWSON, THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCTED TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT THE REAR OF THE LOT. 
          ADDRESS IS NINE 18 DAWSON. 
          THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL FEATURE FRONTAGE TO FLORENCE STREET. 
          UH, NUMBER TWO, PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING MODIFYING THE FENESTRATION PROFILE ON THE EAST FACADE, REMOVING ONE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR OPENING ON THE SOUTH FACADE AND REMOVING ONE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          UH, AND THREE, RECONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE LOT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE GENERAL MASSING AND FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED TWO STORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A SETBACK SETBACK DIAGRAM, NOTING THE EXACT SETBACK OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION ON SITE TWO. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE WAYS TO DECREASE THE OVERALL MASSING AND HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS REDUCING INDIVIDUAL FLOOR HEIGHTS TO NINE FEET. 
          THREE, THAT A FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN. 
          FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE A DOUBLE HEIGHT FULL WIDTH PORCH RATHER THAN USE TWO SEPARATE BALCONY ELEMENTS WITH INDIVIDUAL ROOF FORMS. THE INCORPORATION OF A DOUBLE HEIGHT FULL WIDTH PORCH WITH ONE PORCH ROOF WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC TWO-STORY STRUCTURES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          FIVE, THAT WINDOWS THAT FEATURE FIXED SQUARE RECTANGULAR PROFILES BE AMENDED TO FEATURE ONE OVER ONE PROFILES. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENING SHOULD BE ADDED TO BOTH THE EAST AND WEST FACADES TO SEPARATE EACH WALL PLAYING. 
          SIX. 
          THAT ALL LAPSE SIDING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH AND A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE, OR BE WOOD. 
          AND IF THE PROPOSED WINDOWS BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMEND OR STAFF FINDS THE RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED METAL RAILING SHOULD INCORPORATE WOOD ELEMENTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PORCH RAILINGS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          UH, AND SEVEN, THAT THE PROPOSED PARKING BE AMENDED TO NOT RESULT IN PARKING IN FRONT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          PARKING TO THE SIDE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR AT THE INTERIOR OF THE LOT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR AND PEDESTRIAN DOOR STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BOTH BE WOOD AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE ONE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST FACADE. 
          AND FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE MASSING TO FEATURE EITHER ONE STORY, A ONE STORY ADDITION, OR AN ADDITION THAT FEATURES A REDUCTION IN MASSING. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING, UH, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED WOOD SIDING AND THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD AND FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APP, THAT THE PROPOSED METAL RAILING FEE SHOULD INCORPORATE WOOD ELEMENTS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PORCH RAILINGS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT TWO, THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS BE ADDED TO THE WEST FACADE. 
          AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE REDUCTION IN HEIGHT OF THE TWO STORY PORTION SUCH AS A REDUCTION IN FLOOR HEIGHTS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING OVERALL HEIGHT. 
          THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE FROM GRADE TO RIDGE IS NOTED IN FINDING THREE B. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, APPLICANTS I SHOULD SAY, ARE WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          UH, THAT WOULD BE RUSTY LOPEZ AND JESSE AND EVELYN RAMIREZ, WE HAVE JESSE RAMIREZ. 
          MR. RAMIREZ, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. 
          HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO PRESENT, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, UM, NOW IF YOU WOULD, UM, PRESENT YOUR CASE IN RESPONSE TO THE STAFF'S STIPULATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, EVERYTHING, OR MR. RAMIREZ, IF, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I KNOW 
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THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, I COULD GO THROUGH STAFF'S COMMENTS AND YOU CAN RESPOND TO EACH OF 'EM. 
          UM, OKAY, GREAT. 
          THAT'LL BE BETTER. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          LET'S DO THAT. 
          UH, SO FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO STORY, UH, TWO STORY STRUCTURE. 
          UM, SO STAFF HAD A COMMENT, A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A SETBACK DIAGRAM NOTING THE EXACT EXACT SETBACK OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THAT COMMISSIONERS, IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN STAFF'S UPDATED PACKAGE. 
          I'LL PULL THAT UP NOW. 
          STAFF HAS NOT REVIEWED IT. 
          UH, BUT FOR REFERENCE, I WILL SHOW THAT, UM, HERE, SORRY, LEMME CLOSE THAT AND OPEN IT. 
          I WILL SHOW THIS FOR REFERENCE. 
          UH, SO HERE IS THE SETBACK DIAGRAM THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS NOTING FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE CONCRETE CURB THAT IS AT FLORENCE STREET, THERE'S A SETBACK OF 16 FEET APPROXIMATELY. 
          THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE FRONT FACADE OR THE EXTENSION OF THE PORCH OF THE PROPOSED PORCH OR ROOF. 
          OVERHANG. 
          AT THIS TIME, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE STREET ITSELF IN PHOTOS, UH, THE MASSING WOULD BE SETBACK FROM THE PROPOSED OR FROM THE CURRENT SETBACK AT THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE, UH, EXISTING REAR EDITION. 
          TO GIVE YOU SOME OF AN IDEA OF THE PROPOSED MASSING OR THE UPDATED MA, OR EXCUSE ME, PROPOSED SETBACK, UH, TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE WAYS TO DECREASE THE OVERALL MASSING AND HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, SUCH AS A REDUCTION OF INDIVIDUAL FLOOR HEIGHTS TO NINE FEET. 
          UH, IN REGARDS TO THE SETBACK THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED, UH, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THIS WAS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION OR CONFIRMATION OF WHERE THE SETBACKS WOULD BE. 
          UM, THIS SETBACK IS SETBACK, UH, QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UM, HERE ACROSS FLORENCES ALLEY, THERE'S ANOTHER TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT FEATURES A DEEP SETBACK. 
          UH, SO I WOULD SAY THE STAFF FINDS THAT THAT SETBACK IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT. 
          UH, MR. RAMIREZ, MR. RAMIREZ, IN REGARDS TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU WORK TO LOWER THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE BY POTENTIALLY REDUCING THE FLOOR HEIGHTS FROM, UH, 10 FEET TO NINE FEET, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A THOUGHT ON THAT? YES, WE DID AGREE TO THE NINE FEED. 
          WE DID SUBMIT THAT AS WELL TO YOU BEFORE. 
          UH, NO, I HAVEN'T. 
          JUST, OH, WE HAVEN'T? OKAY. 
          WE, WE, YEAH, WE, WE AGREED TO THAT AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, LET'S, UH, LET'S KEEP MOVING. 
          UM, STIPULATION NUMBER THREE, UH, NOTES THAT FOUNDATION HEIGHT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN. 
          UH, SO AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT FOUNDATION SETBACKS SHOULD BE WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          HISTORICALLY, HOUSES FEATURE APPROXIMATELY A 16 OR 18 INCH TO THREE FOOT TALL FOUNDATION HEIGHT. 
          UH, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT? NO, SIR. 
          NO, WE AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NUMBER FOUR, UM, THE PORCH, I BELIEVE THAT IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATION, UH, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE PORCH AND YOU ALL WERE OPEN TO INCORPORATING A PORCH, UH, THAT, THAT FEATURED A FULL WIDTH. 
          UM, I SENT A FEW PHOTOS OF HISTORIC HOUSES THAT ARE TWO STORIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT FEATURES A PORCH THAT EXPANDS THE FRONT FACADE. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE A DOUBLE HEIGHT PORCH ELEMENT, UH, ONE ROOF ELEMENT THAT EXTENDS OUT. 
          UH, SO MAYBE ONE OF THESE FRONT FACING GABLES IS MAINTAINED. 
          UM, THIS FRONT PRIMARY GABLE COULD STAY OR YOU COULD MODIFY THAT INTO A HIP, WHATEVER, UH, PROFILE YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          BUT, UM, IN THE GENERAL SCHEME OF THINGS, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON, UH, PROPOSED FRONT PORCH? UH, AS NOTED BY STAFF, I WOULD PRE I WOULD PREFER TO LEAVE IT AS IS IT, IT, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THAT IS NOT AN OPTION. 
          I DO WANT EACH UNIT TO BE WORKING INDEPENDENTLY FROM EACH OTHER, SO TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER SIDE. 
          UH, SO PREFERABLY THIS WAY, BUT IF THERE'S NOT AN, IF THERE'S NOT A, AN AN ACCEPTANCE THERE, BUT THEN I WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF CONSIDER ANOTHER OPTION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A COMMISSIONER COMMENT NOW, UM, ON, ON THAT SPECIFIC ITEM, UM, COMMISSIONER SAV, JUST ONE QUESTION. 
          UM, STAFF, HAS THIS PROJECT GONE TO A D R C YET? IT HAS NOT BEEN TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE YET. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BUT MR. CHAIR, I THINK, UM, MR. HALL IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB AT GOING THROUGH AND, UH, HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP ARE FEW OR WOULD A D R C HELP? UM, WELL UNDERSTAND. 
          I MEAN, I I I, I AGREE WITH THE STIPULATION OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          I MEAN, THE APPLICANT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, 
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RELUCTANT. 
          BUT I DO AGREE THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK YOU, YOU HAVE IT RIGHT ON THAT ONE. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT, THAT'S WHAT WE COMMONLY FIND MAYBE HOW TO INCORPORATE A SEPARATION, YOU KNOW, WHILE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WOULD DEPEND WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE. 
          BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THIS BETTER? WE REVIEW THIS IN A D R C. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, IS THAT A MOTION I'LL MOVE, UH, TO HAVE THIS CASE MOVED TO D R C? I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL ON THIS DISCUSSION. 
          WE HAVE A PUBLIC VOICEMAIL ON THIS ITEM. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          WE'LL NOW PLAY A VOICEMAIL FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 0 2 LOCATED AT NINE 18. 
          DAWSON, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S FINDINGS AND COMMENTS. 
          THIS APPLICANT ISN'T WANTING TO BUILD ONE ADDITIONAL TWO STORY FAMILY HOME. 
          THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD A MULTIFAMILY TWO STORY HOUSE IN ADDITION TO ADDING TO AN EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          WE CANNOT COMMENT MUCH FURTHER ON THE ELEVATIONS FOR THIS PLAN BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE PACKET. 
          THIS APPLICATION PACKET HAS 13 SUBMITTED PAGES THAT ARE BLANK AT THE TIME OF OUR REVIEW. 
          THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN TWO WEEKS THAT AN APPLICANT'S PACKET WAS MISSING ELEVATION DRAWINGS, WHICH MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO COMMENT FURTHER ON MASSING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT, THAT THE, THE AGENDA THAT WAS SUBMITTED DIDN'T HAD SOME BLANK SHEETS IN IT AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT MAY, I, THAT MAY BE AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, COMPUTER ITEM. 
          IT DOWNLOADED FINE FOR STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN WE DOWNLOADED FROM THE, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, ANY COMMENTS? DO YOU WANT THAT TO HAPPEN, SIR? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? ONLY TO SAY THAT I THINK, UH, STAFF HAS A GREAT DEAL OF THIS, RIGHT? AND, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THAT WHOLE ISSUE OF, UH, CONSOLIDATING THE, THE, THE, UH, THE PORCH ELEMENTS FOR THE PROPOSED TWO STORY ADDITION OR, UH, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, I, I THINK IS, IS RIGHT. 
          AND THAT CAN BE SET UP IN A WAY THAT COULD STILL SEPARATE THE TWO AS, AS, UH, HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. 
          SO I, I SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION THAT THIS GET HASHED OUT AT A D D R C. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? COMMISSIONER GROUP? NO, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS WITH THE MOTION READY TO VOTE? COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          WE JUST, I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE. 
          GENERALLY, I'M JUST OBSERVING THAT THIS IS A, A, A REALLY UNUSUALLY WIDE LOT. 
          AND I MEAN, I, I'M INITIALLY CONCERNED BY THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND I SHARE STAFF'S OPINIONS HERE, BUT, UM, I'M JUST NOTING THAT THERE'S, THIS IS A VERY LARGE LOT THAT FACES FLORENCE, ESSENTIALLY A DOUBLING OF THE TYPICAL LOT. 
          SO I'LL BE IN SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA, NO COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD ECHO THOSE COMMENTS AND WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MR. RAMIREZ, UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UH, THAT SUBCOMMITTEE WILL MEET NEXT TUESDAY. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU THE TIME AND DETAILS. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT, WE CAN MEET AGAIN LIKE WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY AND CAN OUTLINE WHICH OF THESE COMMENTS YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, UM, THAT WAY WE CAN MAYBE FOCUS OUR DISCUSSION ON THOSE THREE OR FOUR SPECIFIC ITEMS. OKAY? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14 AND, UH, LIKE THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER GRUBE IS RECUSING HERSELF. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 1 5 1 21 RIETTA. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK TO THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE SIDING, REPAIR, FOUNDATION REPAIR, THE INSTALLATION OF THE CEMENT, PLASTER SKIRTING, AND IN KIND ROOF REPLACEMENT AND PAINTING TO REPAIR THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS IN KIND. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO REPLACE DETERIORATED WOOD WINDOWS WITH THE NEW, WITH WOOD, NEW, EXCUSE ME, WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS IF NEEDED. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO REPLACE ALL NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. 
          THREE, REPLACE THE FRONT WALKWAY IN KIND 
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FOUR, MODIFY THE FENESTRATION PROFILE ON THE FRONT FACADE BY REMOVING THE TWO EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS AND INSTALLING ONE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW. 
          FIVE. 
          REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH, POURED CONCRETE PORCH COLUMN AND REPLACE BOTH SIX. 
          CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 520 SQUARE FEET. 
          SEVEN. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A NEW WOOD FENCE, UH, EXCUSE ME, A NEW WOOD AND WIRE FRONT YARD FENCE AND INSTALL A REAR PRIVACY FENCE. 
          AND EIGHT, INSTALL A CONCRETE RIBBON, STRIP DRIVEWAY TO FEATURE NINE FEET IN WIDTH. 
          DETERMINATE AT THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK AS NOTED IN FINDING C, UH, WITH STIPULATIONS, UH, THAT THE PROPOSED SKIRTING FEATURE A WOOD SIDING PROFILE THAT MATCHES THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE SIDING. 
          A COMPOSITE MATERIAL MAY BE USED AT THE GROUND TO AVOID ROTTEN K TWO. 
          THAT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURES SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A C CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH. 
          A RED FINISH MAY ALSO BE INSTALLED. 
          AND THREE, THAT THE EXISTING CHIMNEY BE PRESERVED IN PLACE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, WOULD, WINDOW REPAIR IS NOTED IN FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL WINDOWS BE REPAIRED IN CON WINDOW REPLACEMENT IS NOT APPROVED PER THIS APPLICATION. 
          IF WINDOWS ARE FOUND TO BE BEYOND REPAIR, AN ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS APPLICATION SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAY AS SUBMITTED, AS NOTED IN FINDING D STAFF, DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          ADMINISTRATION MODIFICATIONS RESULTING IN ONE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING. 
          F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE TWO FRONT WINDOWS BE RESTORED TO THE ORIGINAL PROFILE AND CONFIGURATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PORCH AND THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW PORCH COLUMN BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE AT THE PROPOSED PORCH DECKING, BE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT PORCH FACADE. 
          TWO, THE WOOD COLUMN BE INSTALLED. 
          THAT FEATURES SIX INCHES SQUARE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM IN CHAMFORD CORNERS. 
          AND THREE, THAT THE PORCH BEAM AND PORCH FASCIA FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROFILES AND MATERIALS AND THAT CONTEMPORARY ELEMENTS BE ELIMINATED FROM THE DESIGN SUCH AS STEEL PLATE CAPS AND BASES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, UH, THAT THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE REAR ADDITION BE REDUCED TO ENSURE THAT THE RIDGE LINE IS SUBORDINATE TO THAT OF THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UH, THAT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURE PANELS, SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. 
          SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT. 
          A CRIMPED RICH SEAM AND A STANDARD GAL BLOOM FINISH. 
          A RED FINISH MAY ALSO BE INSTALLED. 
          THREE AT THE PROPOSED BOARD. 
          AND BATTEN SIDING FEATURE BOARDS THAT ARE 18 INCHES WIDE. 
          BOARDS THAT ARE 18 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE ONE AND A HALF INCH WIDE. 
          ALL COMPOSITE SIDING SHOULD FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH. 
          AND FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE LOT, ALL WINDOWS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          IN ADDITIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, FENCING WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IF MECHANICAL GATE EQUIPMENT IS INSTALLED, IT'D BE SCREENED BY FENCING ELEMENTS AND OR LANDSCAPING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF THE DRIVEWAY IS NOTED IN FINDING O AS PROPOSED STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE MOVED TO THE EAST PROPERTY LINE AS THIS WOULD RESULT IN A MORE OFFSET FRONT YARD PARKING CONDITION. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, MR. FELIX ZIGA, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS FELIX ZIGA. 
          I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND SEVEN, UM, THIS IS KIND OF LOADED HERE. 
          WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR, UM, A PORTION OF NUMBER FIVE, PORTION OF NUMBER SIX, AND STIPULATION NUMBER EIGHT. 
          UM, I THINK WE, I'D LIKE TO LEAVE, UH, THE FENESTRATION ONE, UH, TOWARDS THE END. 
          'CAUSE IT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE LOADED, UM, AND, UH, CONTENTIOUS. 
          BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH, LET'S START WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE ADDITION. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EXHIBIT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADDITION DOES START PEAKING, YOU KNOW, IN ELEVATION, NOT IN PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, YOU CAN GET A GLIMPSE OF THE RIDGE. 
          UM, IF YOU COULD GO TOWARDS THE, UM, TO THE ELEVATION EXHIBITS, THE REAR ELEVATION SPECIFICALLY, AND, AND WE CAN TIE THAT INTO OUR ROOF PLAN. 
          UM, AND SEE THERE'S THE REAR ELEVATION. 
          SO WE, WE WERE 
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TRYING TO FOLLOW THE EXISTING ROOF PITCH AND GIVE THE ADDITION, THE NEW ADDITION, UM, A SENSE OF SCALE AND PROPORTION. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH AND EXPLORATION AND AS BUILT IN THIS STRUCTURE, UM, WE DISCOVERED THAT THIS IS A SHOTGUN HOME THAT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE GENERATIONS AND THE YEARS. 
          UM, IF YOU GO TO OUR ROOF PLAN, UH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ROOFS ARE DOING. 
          UM, THERE WE GO. 
          SO YOU'RE GOOD. 
          IT HAPPENS TO ME ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS PROPOSED. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF THE SURVEYS AND UNDERLAYMENTS ARE, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY, RIGHT? BUT THE, YOU CAN GET GLIMPSES OF THE ORIGINAL HOME, WHICH WAS THE, THE SHOTGUN ON THE LEFT. 
          THE SECOND EDITION WAS THE PORCH, THE COVERED PORCH AND AND ROOF, UH, PORTION TO THE RIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE FI THE THIRD EDITION, WHICH IS KIND OF IN THE, IN THE WORST SHAPE AND WORST CRAFTSMANSHIP IN QUALITY IS WHAT'S THE KIND OF THE HODGEPODGE TO THE REAR. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE REAR EDITION AND THE NON HISTORIC ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE, IN THE STIPULATIONS. 
          SO, UH, UH, IT WAS STAFF APPROVED THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THEN. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING THIRD EDITION. 
          UM, AND WE WANT TO, THE ROOFS ARE DOING TRICKY THINGS, RIGHT? SO WE ALSO WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL FOR ROOF LEAKS. 
          UM, THAT CROSS GABLE ON THE SIDE MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO TIE A REAR ADDITION TO. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE A, AN INTERESTING ENCROACHMENT ON THE SIDE SETBACK THAT IS PREEXISTING. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO OFFSET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, WE MIGHT STILL NEED A LITTLE VARIANCE ON THE SIDE SETBACK THERE FOR THE ADDITION, UH, WE ARE SHOWING FIVE, UH, FIVE FEET, UH, IS A MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACK, BUT I THINK WE ONLY HAVE, UH, THREE FOOT SIX. 
          SO WE ARE LIMITED ALSO ON THE FENESTRATION PATTERNS ON THAT WALL. 
          UH, FOR FIRE SAFETY REASONS, THAT'S JUST A BUILDING CODE ISSUE. 
          UM, WHENEVER YOU'RE LESS THAN FIVE FEET FROM A PROPERTY LINE, YOU'RE LIMITED TO 25%, UH, MAX FENESTRATION, UH, RATIO. 
          UM, REGARDLESS OF THAT, I'M HOPING THAT HELPS CLARIFY THE ROOF LINES AND HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS DESIGN. 
          UM, YES, IN ELEVATION WE DON'T EXPERIENCE BUILDINGS AND ELEVATION, RIGHT? SO THAT LITTLE RIDGE THAT PEAKS THROUGH THE, MY, MY FRONT ELEVATION DRAWING, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT IN REAL LIFE 'CAUSE IT'S VERY FAR RECESSED INTO THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO I'M HOPING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THAT. 
          UH, SPECIFIC ASPECT OF STIPULATION, UM, SIX. 
          UM, NUMBER ONE, EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE OKAY WITH, UM, THE FENESTRATION PROFILES. 
          I THINK WE CAN STAY ON STIPULATION SIX. 
          UH, I'M, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S PROBABLY THOSE, THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE KIND OF, UM, TRANSOM WINDOWS OR, OR CLA STORY WINDOWS. 
          AND IN THE, IN THE REAR ELEVATION, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, THE ADDITION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I'M THINKING THE, THE, IN THE, IN THE, THAT ONE IN THE WEST ELEVATION, WE HAVE THOSE PRIVACY WINDOWS. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S THE NEW WALL THAT'S BUILT WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          WE'RE LIMITED TO A 25% MAX, UH, WINDOW COVERAGE. 
          SO WE PROPOSE THESE, UM, PRIVACY WINDOWS, BOTH FOR LIFE SAFETY AND ALSO FOR, UM, GETTING LIGHT IN TO THE ADDITION, UM, WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE RATIOS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE BILLING CODE. 
          UM, SO I'M, I'M HOPING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION HERE. 
          I WANNA SAY THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THAT, UM, SIX NUMBER FOUR WAS REFERRING TO. 
          CORRECT? THE TRADITIONAL PROFILES. 
          YEP. 
          YES. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          UM, CAN WE DISCUSS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UM, OR STIPULATION NUMBER EIGHT, THE DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, WE DID EXPLORE, WE WANTED TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY WHERE STAFFS RECOMMENDED WE PUT IT. 
          UM, THE ISSUE WE HAD THERE IS THAT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DRIVEWAY IS SUPERIMPOSED OR JUST FLUSH WITH THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO THERE'D BE IT, WE HAVE NO DELINEATION BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY, THE RIBBON, THE NEW RIBBON DRIVEWAY, AND THE SIDEWALK. 
          THEY BECOME KIND OF ONE AND THE SAME. 
          AND WE THOUGHT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR THE CAR TO BE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE, LIKE, THE FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE A, A LITTLE BIT BETTER RATIO AND SENSE, UM, TO HAVE IT A CLEAR DEFINITION BETWEEN THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY AND THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT'S GONNA BE REPAIRED VERSUS HAVING THEM KIND OF BECOME CONGRUOUS. 
          UM, IF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THIS PROPOSED DESIGN SOLUTION, UM, CAME FROM AND ORIGINATED, UM, JUST TO CREATE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          THOSE ARE THOSE COVER THREE OF THE BIG ONES? UM, 
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THE, REALLY, THE ONLY THING THAT'S PENDING IS THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW AND THEN THE, THE FRONT PORCH, UH, RECONSTRUCTION. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU GO, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PULL UP THE STA THE STAFF PROVIDED SANDBORN MAPS? I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THE KIND OF THE SEQUENCING OF CONSTRUCTION HERE THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          SO THERE'S THE 1904 MAP, AND IT SHOWS A SHAGAN HOUSE WITH A FRONT PORCH, KIND OF WHAT THAT'S VERY, AND IT'S PREDOMINANTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE BLOCK FACE AS WELL. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE NARROWER SHAGAN HOMES. 
          THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET ARE 20 FEET WIDE VERSUS WE HAVE LIKE A 13 OR 14 FOOT WIDE SHOTGUN HOME. 
          UM, AT LEAST THE ORIGINAL PORTION, THE SUBSEQUENTLY IN 1912, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS REFLECTS THAT THEY ADDED TO THE SIDE OF IT. 
          AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE INFERRED. 
          AND ALSO FROM, I HAVE SOME PHOTOS ON A THUMB DRIVE WE COULD SHOW YOU. 
          UM, THEY WEREN'T INCLUDING THE EXHIBITS, BUT DURING OUR AS-BUILT TEAM, WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE ROOF OF THE ORIGINAL, THE ROOF LINE AND RAFTERS OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, SHOTGUN HOME. 
          AND THEN HOW THE, THE CROSS GABLE WAS SCABBED ONTO THAT. 
          UM, SO IF THAT IS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST, UM, BUT KNOWING THAT THIS ADDITION IS NOT HISTORIC IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, DESIGN OF THE HOME, THAT'S WHY WE, WE TOOK SOME CREATIVE FREEDOM, UH, WITH THE PORCH, UH, COLUMN DETAILING. 
          UH, JUST TO TIE IT IN WITH THE ADDITION AT THE REAR, UM, IT IS, WE'RE STILL USING SIX BY SIX COLUMNS. 
          UH, BUT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO DEFER FROM THE WOOD POST AND BASE DETAILS TO OUR, OUR MODERN INTERPRETATION OF THAT, WHICH ARE OUR STEEL KNIFE PLATES. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP THAT DETAIL OR THE, OR THE PHOTO OR ACTUALLY THE PHOTOS OF THE DETAILS TOWARDS THE END, IF NOT THE END. 
          UH, WELL, BUT THEN YOU PASSED THEM, UH, RIGHT THERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT SHOWS OUR, OUR PROPOSED COLUMN BASE AND CAP DETAILS, UH, FAR LEFT. 
          SO JUST A MODERN INTERPRETATION OF THAT SIX, THOSE SIX BY SIX COLUMNS WITH WOOD BASE AND WOOD CAPITALS. 
          AND LASTLY, I THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS THE, THE WINDOWS, UH, OR THE FRONT PICTURE WINDOW WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          THIS WAS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR CLIENT SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THIS. 
          HE SAID, HEY, I, I, I ENVISIONED THIS HOME WITH A, WITH A BIG PICTURE WINDOW AT THE FRONT. 
          AND AGAIN, DURING OUR RESEARCH, RIGHT, I SHOWED, WE JUST WALKED THROUGH HOW THIS USED TO BE A SHOTGUN HOME. 
          UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S THE FRONT ELEVATION OR THE, FROM THE EXISTING PICTURES AND THE, THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU CAN, WE CAN DEDUCE AND TELL THAT THOSE TWO WINDOWS ARE NO LONGER, THE HISTORIC WINDOWS WERE REPLACED. 
          AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM WE SUSPECT WAS A DOOR, RIGHT, BASED ON THE ORIGINAL SHOTGUN CONFIGURATION. 
          UM, SO CAN, CAN YOU PULL UP THE EXISTING PHOTO OF THE FRONT ELEVATION PLEASE? UM, THAT RIGHT THERE. 
          SO THE, OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION IS THAT THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS A, A VINYL WINDOW, UM, USED TO BE A DOOR. 
          AND HENCE WHY THERE'S THAT STRIP OF SIDING MISSING FROM UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE, WHERE THE PORCH THERE KIND OF USED TO HANG. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S THE CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN THE, THE PEDIMENT ABOVE AND THE SIDING BELOW. 
          UM, THEN THE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT HAS ALSO, HAS ALSO BEEN A REPLACEMENT WINDOW. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT HISTORIC ANYMORE. 
          SO WE WERE TRYING TO GIVE THIS, UM, REHABILITATION A LITTLE BIT OF CHARACTER, A LITTLE BIT OF DESIGN FLARE AND TRYING TO TIE IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          UM, WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. 
          I KNOW THIS COMMISSION HAS, HAS, UH, SEEN IT, BUT MAINLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, WE ARE TRYING TO DISTINGUISH THE, THE NEW FROM THE OLD. 
          AND WE DID PULL, UM, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD EXHIBIT. 
          WE DID PULL THE RATIOS, UM, FOR THE PROPOSED PICTURE WINDOW FROM A HISTORIC TWO GANG WINDOW, UM, IN THE SHOTGUN HOME. 
          SO IT DID THESE RATIOS AND PROPORTIONS, UH, DID ORIGINATE FROM THE, FROM THE EXISTING HOME. 
          SO THAT COVERS THE, THE ITEMS I, I WANTED TO DISCUSS. 
          UM, OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          WE DO. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT FIVE EIGHT LAMAR STREET WITH, I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF CONCERNED CITIZENS OF WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH FOUR 15, LOCATED AT 1 21 RIETTA. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE RECOMMENDED TWO, ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE. 
          A SINGLE PANE PICTURE WINDOW SHOULD NOT EVER BE ALLOWED SINCE IT IS HISTORICALLY NOT ACCURATE. 
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THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          QUESTION MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, YOU'RE OKAY WITH STIPULATIONS 1, 3, 5, AND SEVEN, IS THAT CORRECT? TWO. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          1, 2, 3. 
          UM, PART, UH, FIVE, ONE AND TWO. 
          UM, WE WANT TO KEEP THREE AS SUBMITTED. 
          UM, SIX, UM, SIX NOT INCLUDING ONE AND NOT INCLUDING FIVE OR A FOUR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, WE AGREE WITH SEVEN AND WE DO NOT AGREE WITH EIGHT. 
          SORRY, I TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT AS MANY OF THAT AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH, A LITTLE EASIER. 
          UH, THE DECKING IS FINE ON THE PORSCHE RECONSTRUCTION, SO THE DECKING IS FINE. 
          UM, THE WOOD COLUMN WE'RE, WE'RE WANTING TO DEVIATE FROM THE, THE BASE, UH, AND CAPITAL DETAIL AND TO CONFIRM YOU WERE GOOD WITH THE SKIRTING. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, IF THE SKIRTING WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT WOOD TO MATCH, THAT'S FINE. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT, WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS. 
          UM, ON THAT ONE, WE DON'T. 
          UH, YEAH, THE HEIGHT, THE HEIGHT'S, THE MAIN ONE, AND THEN ALSO FOUR. 
          UM, YES, I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE OKAY WITH. 
          UM, ACTUALLY FOUR. 
          WE DON'T AGREE WITH FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A, I MOVE THAT, UH, APPLICANT BE, UH, APPLICANT'S, UH, PRESENTATION BE APPROVED, UM, WITH STAFF RELATIONS 1, 2, 3, UH, AND SEVEN, AND THEN FIVE AND SIX AS PRESENTED. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, I SECOND. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD, ADD ANY DISCUSSION TO THAT? YEAH, UH, I MEAN, , I DON'T KNOW IF THESE HOUSES, THESE SHOTGUN HOUSES WERE INTENDED TO STAND THE TEST OF TIME AND THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP, UH, THE, THE FOOTPRINT TRYING TO KEEP SOME SEMBLANCE OF THE HISTORICAL HOUSE. 
          BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, A HOUSE THAT JUST, I DON'T THINK WAS INTENDED TO, TO BE THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT VERY, FOR THAT MUCH TIME AND WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGES. 
          SO I'M ON BOARD WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. 
          I THINK YOU'RE PUTTING A GOOD EFFORT AND, UH, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, EDWARD, COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE MOTION? ? UM, LEMME SEE IF I HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR. 
          . 
          UM, SO IF, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, UM, HIGHLIGHT THE WHOLE VERBIAGE ON ONE, TWO, AND THREE SINCE THAT'S IN THE MOTION? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHAT I'LL DO, I GUESS I'LL DELETE, SO IT WAS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          SO YOU'RE 1, 2, 3, AND SEVEN STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN FIVE AND SIX WERE AS PRESENTED, AND CAN YOU CLARIFY ON EIGHT THERE? EIGHT. 
          EIGHT, YEAH. 
          AND FOUR, NO, I'M NOT INCLUDING THAT IN THE MOTION. 
          SO THE MOTION AGAIN IS 1, 2, 3, AND SEVEN. 
          STAFF STIPULATION, COMPLIANCE, AND THEN FIVE AND SIX AS PRESENTED. 
          ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS. 
          I'M NOT VOTING FOR IN THE MOTION, OR I'M NOT PUTTING IN THE MOTION WITH HER. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER ABOUT FOUR AND EIGHT. 
          UH, IS THE INTENTION THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THOSE ITEMS TODAY, OR IS THE INTENTION THAT, THAT YOU SUBMIT THAT THEY'RE THE INTENTION APPROVED AS SUBMITTED? THE INTENTION IS THAT THOSE STAFF STIPULATIONS NOT BE FOLLOWED. 
          BUT IS IT YOUR INTENTION THAT THEY BE ACCEPTED AS PRESENTED TODAY BY THE APPLICANT? CORRECT. 
          BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE NUMBER THE STIPULATIONS, JUST TO CLARIFY, EACH NUMBER REPRESENTS A REQUEST ITEM, SO RIGHT. 
          WHICH HE SAID, UH, HE'S GOOD WITH FIVE, ONE, AND TWO, AND HE'S GOOD, NOT GOOD WITH SIX, ONE AND FOUR. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'M SORRY, 5, 5 1 ONLY. 
          UH, TWO AND THREE ARE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND WITH THE COLUMN DETAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY I SHOULD AS PRESENTED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I'M SORRY. 
          I HAD A PROBLEM. 
          UNMUTING. 
          I HAVE NO, UM, COMMENTS, MR. 
          [02:10:01]
CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I THINK IT'S ITEMS FOUR AND SIX I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, AND THESE ARE KIND OF TWO OF THE SAME, SAME ITEMS. FOR INSTANCE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PORCH COLUMNS AS BEING, UH, A LATER EDITION. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S KIND OF A CONTEMPORARY DETAIL THERE. 
          I THINK THE PORCH COLUMNS ARE MORE BENIGN IN NATURE GIVEN THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE, TO THE STREET. 
          BUT IT'S KINDA THE SAME ARGUMENT YOU'RE MAKING ABOUT THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE, THE FRONT GABLE, CORRECT. 
          SAYING, WELL, THIS ISN'T AS IT'S HISTORIC CONDITION, SO I'M GONNA REFERENCE SOME CONTEMPORARY ELEMENTS, UM, TO BRING THEM FORWARD. 
          SO TO ME, YOU'RE MAKING THE SAME EXACT ARGUMENT ON THE COLUMNS AS YOU ARE THE FRONT WINDOW AND THE PRECEDENT THAT YOU, THAT YOU SHOW, I BELIEVE IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF SITUATION. 
          UM, YOU SHOW A PRECEDENT, UM, OF AN AN AN ADDITION IN A MORE CONTEMPORARY STYLE THAT'S REFERENCING THE PROPORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVED WINDOW FRAME. 
          SO I'M NOT BUYING THAT. 
          THAT'S THE SAME. 
          THOSE TWO ITEMS, UH, I'M PARTICULARLY THE WINDOW IS, IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME. 
          THE COLUMNS ON THE PORCH, GIVEN THEIR LOCATION, UH, THIS WAS ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT'S A SONA TUBE, CONCRETE SONA TUBE COLUMN THAT'S LEANING, EVEN THOUGH WE TRY TO STRAIGHTEN IT OUT. 
          IS THERE ANY STONE ANYWHERE ELSE, OR IS IT REALLY LIMITED TO JUST THE COLUMN CAPITAL? WE DON'T THINK THE STONE IS ORIGINAL. 
          I DON'T, THE PORCH ISN'T, I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S ORIGINAL TO THE ADDITION AGE ERA. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT, I THINK GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS PORCH THAT I, I'M KIND OF COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH SOME INTERPRETATION ON THAT ELEMENT, THE WINDOW, I'M NOT THE DRIVEWAY, I THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION. 
          I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IN ITS LOCATION. 
          I KNOW STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT IF IT'S EAST MOST, BECAUSE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY HAVE SHIFTED ALL THE WAY UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE OVERLAPS LESS OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT GIVEN THE POSITION OF THE WALKWAY AND THE PORCH YEP. 
          THIS, THIS SEEMS LIKE A DIFFICULT ACCOMMODATION. 
          AN ACCOMMODATION THAT REALLY MINIMIZES THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE FRONT PORCH AND THE FRONT YARD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FRONT YARD PARKING IS A HUGE PROBLEM. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS HERE. 
          GIVEN THE WIDTH OF THE LIGHT, THERE'S NO, THE WIDTH OF THE LIGHT, THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY. 
          SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, EIGHT AS SUBMITTED. 
          UH, THAT SAID, I'M NOT QUITE WHERE THE MOTION IS AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHERE I'LL LAND, BUT I, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, WHAT IS, UH, STAFF, WHAT IS OUR COMBINED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILT IMPROVEMENT ON THE DIRT? ARE WE EXCEEDING 50% JUST YET? WE CAN, IT, WE HAVE IT RIGHT THERE, EDWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN'T SEE IT. 
          IT'S, UH, OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST UNDER, OKAY. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WINDOW. 
          WE SAVED IT FOR LAST. 
          UH, I GET IT. 
          I KNOW IT'S A PUSH. 
          WELL, UM, WHEN I SAW THIS, AND AS I KNOW THE HOUSE ALSO, IT IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, UH, RESTORATION OR REPAIR REHAB, UM, WITH SO MUCH INTACT OF THIS ORIGINAL SHOTGUN, ALBEIT WITH ADDITIONS. 
          IT'S STILL VERY, VERY SET IN ITS STYLE, IN ITS TIME FOR THAT REASON. 
          THE WINDOW DOES, UM, UM, LOOK VERY MUCH AS AN OUTLIER AND ALMOST A, AN AN, AN UNNECESSARY REACH IN REINTERPRETATION AND EXPRESSION WHEN, UM, THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER AREAS YOU ARE DOING THAT WITH THE PORCH COLUMNS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, THE BACK ADDITION, I'M FINE WITH, UM, UH, THE PARKING MAKES SENSE HERE. 
          THIS IS A LOT THAT IS TIGHT, UNLIKE SOME OTHER LOTS. 
          THIS IS TRULY TIGHT AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS. 
          BUT I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THAT FRONT WINDOW AND THAT FRONT FACADE IS LIKE ONE OF THE EASIEST DECISIONS TO MAKE ON THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE JUST KNOW I APPRECIATE IT. 
          WE CHOSE TO GO ANOTHER WAY WITH IT, AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A REQUEST FROM OUR CLIENT, YOU KNOW? SURE, SURE. 
          IF WE WANTED TO BE PURIST, YOU KNOW, WE'D END UP WITH TWO PORCHES AND TWO FRONT DOORS AND THAT WOULD JUST, OH, A LITTLE. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARY THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          STAYING WITHIN THE PR WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE STYLE IS, IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND GIVES YOU, UM, OPTIONS ALSO. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND, UM, YOU ARE DETAILING THE SITE, UH, I'M SURE THE LANDSCAPING WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT OR WILL BE VERY APPEALING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE INSIDE, UM, IS ALL ABOUT FOR THE CLIENT. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD BE IN A, UM, 
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PLACE TO MAKE A MOTION OR AMEND THIS LATER DOWN THE ROAD. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UM, IT'S, UM, IT'S A, UM, A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION TO HAVE. 
          UM, THE, THE, UM, IN, IN YOUR OPINION, I TALK, SPEAKING TO THE DESIGNER IN YOUR OPINION IS IT'S, IS THIS ABSOLUTELY THE WAY THAT YOU WANT IT? UM, YEAH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO, SO THE, THE, THE CLIENT WANTING SOMETHING IS ONE THING, BUT DOES IT PUSH YOU AGAINST YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL OR LET'S SAY ARTISTIC ETHIC TO, TO, TO DO WHAT THE CLIENTS TELL YOU TO DO IN THIS CASE? OR THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ALSO FEEL LIKE, UM, NOW THIS IS, UH, THIS IS WHERE YOU FEEL PROFESSIONALLY IT NEEDS TO GO. 
          I, I, I THINK IN THIS CASE, UH, MINE AND THE CLIENT'S ARTISTIC, UH, FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ALIGNED, OR, AND WE WERE PITCHING IT THIS WAY 'CAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST SOLUTION TO REHAB AND JUST CREATE DISTINCTION IN THE DESIGN, PROVIDE ARCHITECTURAL FLARE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE, WE COULD BRING FORWARD TODAY. 
          UH, UH, LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU MY, MY OPINION. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE STATEMENT THAT IT MAKES. 
          NOW, CLEARLY, IF WE WERE IN A CONVERSATION, YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION, AND I HAVE MY OPINION, BUT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO RESPECT YOUR, UH, YOUR OPINION. 
          AND IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, IT'S NOT WORDS, IT'S BUILDINGS. 
          AND, UM, AND THAT DISAGREEMENT, RIGHT? I, I WANNA BE TOLERANT ENOUGH TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ROOM FOR A, A BROAD CONVERSATION THAT ENDS UP BEING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF, IF THIS DISCUSSION WASN'T ALLOWED BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THE DISCUSSION THAT DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION, RIGHT? ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          UH, I, I FEEL THAT, THAT THE SENT, OR, OR I WOULD, I WOULD ADVISE THAT THE CENTRAL PIECE THAT THE PICTURE WINDOW IS ASKING FOR SOME OTHER ELEMENTS TO ITS, TO, TO, TO ITS FOUNDATION, RIGHT? BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I KNOW THAT, THAT IT, IT COULD ALSO BE NOT, NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THINGS THAT WE SEE, THINGS IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT FAMILIAR, THAT WE SAY, I FEEL OKAY WITH THAT. 
          AND, AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL SOMEONE CREATES THOSE DIALOGUES SO THAT WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT DIALOGUE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS IN THE DESIGNS, AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES MOTION, UH, MORE POWER TO YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE, UH, CHAIRMAN, I, I, UM, PRETTY MUCH CONCUR WITH STAFF'S, UM, READ ON THIS. 
          I THINK THERE IS A, A RATIONALE THAT A DESIGNER SHOULD ADOPT IF THEY'RE GOING TO OPERATE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, JUST LIKE THEY HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE LAWS OF, OF GRAVITY AND CODES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THE OTHER REALITIES LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE SEEN AS SORT, UH, AN HINDRANCE TO CREATIVITY. 
          THAT'S IN FACT THE, UH, THE GRIST, UH, IN THE MILL THAT GIVES, GIVES, UH, CREATIVITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO, TO THRIVE. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, I THINK SINCE THERE IS SORT OF THE, THE NUCLEUS OF THE ORIGINAL SHOTGUN HOUSES THERE, I THINK THE APPROACH SHOULD HAVE BEEN THAT YOU, YOU TAKE EVERY EFFORT TO SORT OF HONOR THAT ORIGINAL NUCLEUS, AND THEN WITH THESE ADDITIONS AND THINGS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY DONE IN A MORE SHODDY MANNER. 
          AND, AND AS A RESULT, THEY DETERIORATE FASTER THAN THE CORE, THE NUCLEUS OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE FULLY JUSTIFIABLE TO BE SORT OF ALTERED ONCE THEY'RE SORT OF EXPENDED THEIR ECONOMIC AND FUNCTIONAL LIFE. 
          AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY THEN WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE, THE CREATIVE FLAIR AND BRING IN THE CONTEMPORARY, UM, ELEMENTS AND, AND WRITE ANOTHER PAGE IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN ALTER EARLIER PAGES IN THE HISTORY, UM, YOU KNOW, REWRITING THOSE PAGES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT I WOULD'VE WERE, UH, STRONGLY SUPPORTED. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SHOWN, UH, RICK ARCHER'S HOUSE SEVERAL TIMES AS, AS A PRECEDENT IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND HE DID THAT EXACT THING THAT I WAS SAYING. 
          HE RESPECTED THE CORE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          AND THEN THE THING THAT'S ADDED TO IT IS WHERE HE 
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THEN ELABORATED UPON KINDA LIKE JAZZ MUSIC. 
          HE, HE, HE, HE, UH, HE, HE THEN RIFFED UPON, UH, WHAT WAS THERE IN THE, IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, DRAWING UPON THE PROPORTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, NO, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO DOORS THERE, YOU KNOW, TWO PORCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THOUGH YOU'D WANT TO SORT OF PLAY WITHIN THE MELODY OF THAT, OF THE, THAT NUCLEUS OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. 
          I'M MIXING ALL KINDS OF METAPHORS HERE, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS IS MAKING SOME KIND OF RATIONAL SENSE HERE ABOUT HOW I WOULD'VE APPROACHED IT, OKAY? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CLIENT WAS ADAMANT ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE, OF THE, UH, THIS, THE, UH, PICTURE WINDOW AT THE VERY LEAST, ALIGN THE SILLS IN THE HEADS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THE, I I YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU'RE RESPECTING WHAT'S THERE. 
          YEAH, I THOUGHT THE SAME THING, BUT, UM, SURPRISINGLY, THE ADDITION AND THE HISTORIC NUCLEUS DON'T ALIGN. 
          SO WE PULLED IT FROM THE HISTORIC NUCLEUS. 
          IT LOOKS FUNNY IN FRONT ELEVATION, BUT THE HEADERS AND SILLS, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE SIDE VIEW AND THE FRONT. 
          DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? LIKE YEAH, BUT I, I STILL THINK YOU, YOU SHOULD AT LEAST KIND OF AT LEAST RESPECT THE DATUM LINE OF, YOU KNOW, THE HEAD OF THE WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF REORGANIZE THE, THAT FRONT FACADE. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND I, YEAH, I, I, I CAN APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, AND WE JUST THOUGHT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED SO MUCH. 
          IT'S LIKE, WELL, LET'S JUST RIGHT. 
          MODIFY IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          RIGHT? THAT WAS ALL, AND THEN IT'S, AT SOME POINT IT JUST GETS SO ERODED. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THAT YOU KIND OF, YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S PEEL BACK THE LAYERS OF THE ONION HERE. 
          WHAT IS STILL THE THING, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BACK TO 1904 THAT HAS HUNG IN THERE, DESPITE ALL THE CHANGES, ALTERATIONS, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, CHANGE OVER RESIDENTS OVER AND OWNERSHIP OVER TIME AND, AND TRY TO RESPECT THAT. 
          I MEAN, FORTUNATELY, I MEAN, I THINK IN, IN MOST, IN MOST OF THIS, YOU ARE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE RETAINED THE, THE, THE GABLE AND YOU HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO MESS AROUND WITH THE PITCHES OF THINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          YOU TRY TO DO THAT IN OTHER PROJECTS, BUT NOT ON THIS ONE AT LEAST. 
          NO. 
          I MEAN, THIS WINDOW IS TRICKY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DID EXPLORE HAVING TWO WINDOWS THERE, AND IT LOOKS FUNNY, RIGHT? IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SHOTGUN HOUSE ANYMORE. 
          'CAUSE THE SHOTGUN HOUSE HAD A WINDOW AND A DOOR AND A PORCH. 
          SO NOW IT'S, IT'S BECOME SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? AND THEN FOR US, IT WAS HOW DO WE HARMONIOUSLY MAKE THIS WORK? AND, AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THE CLIENT'S WISHES, RIGHT? SO, RIGHT. 
          LET ME ADDRESS ONE OTHER, UH, COMMENT BECAUSE I, I AM REALLY SORT OF, UM, TORN ON THIS, THE APPROACH OF WHERE YOU PARK ON THE, ON THE SITE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD MORE NATURALLY WANNA, UH, YOU KNOW, NOSE IN DEEPER INTO THE SITE AND NOT BE BLOCKING KIND OF THAT PRIMARY AL FRONT, RIGHT? AND TREAT THAT AS SORT OF A COMBINED PARKING AND APPROACH WALK, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WHEN THE CARS ARE GONE, IT'S JUST KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN AREA, AND THEN SORT OF PRESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIGNITY, WHAT LITTLE DIGNITY, YOU KNOW, THESE LITTLE SHOTGUN HOUSES HAD. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY HAD PRETENSIONS OF PRESENTING, YOU KNOW, A FRONT GABLE TO THE STREET AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, NOT BLOCK THAT WITH A VEHICLE. 
          AND I, I, SO I'M, I'M REALLY TORN ON THAT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE DOING THAT, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO RESPECT THE SORT OF THE EXISTING WALK, BUT I'M, I, I, I STILL THINK I WOULD TRY TO MAKE USE OF THE LITTLE BIT MORE DEPTH THAT YOU HAVE BY VIRTUE OF THAT PORCH TO GET THE CAR BACK FURTHER AND TO PRESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF A FRONT YARD IN FRONT OF THE PRIMARY GABLE, UH, FACADE. 
          EDWARD, CAN, THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          EDWARD, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THAT ONE? I'LL JUST, IT, I KNOW IT'S TIGHT, BUT I WANT TO TRY TO GAUGE HOW TIGHT IT IS. 
          SO THAT RIBBON DRIVEWAY, IT, WE DO THE 3, 3, 3, RIGHT? SO THAT'S TOTAL OF NINE, AND THEN WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE ANOTHER TWO AND THREE ON EITHER SIDE OF IT. 
          SO TOTAL 14, 15 FEET. 
          IF WE SLIDE THAT OVER, WHICH WE DID EXPLORE IT, JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT CONCRETE SIDEWALK STAFF RECOMMENDS IT'S FOUR FEET WIDE, RIGHT? OR THREE FEET WIDE MINIMUM. 
          MINIMUM THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH, SO I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD DEFINITELY EXPLORE THAT OR, OR EVEN MAKE THE CHANGE. 
          I, I'M JUST, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE TIGHT. 
          IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THREE FOOT SIDEWALK AND SOME GRASS, THREE FOOT OF GRASS, AND THEN THE RIBBON, THE NINE FEET OF RIBBON. 
          BUT I KNOW, I KNOW THE DOORS WILL GET TIGHT ON THE, ON THE FENCE LINE ON THE RIGHT. 
          UM, IT'S NOT PRESENTED TODAY, BUT WE DID DRAW IT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M ADVOCATING IS MAYBE, UH, A REEXAMINATION OF THAT, KINDA LIKE A, TAKE IT AS A CHALLENGE OF DOING LIKE A MICRO LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT . 
          GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, WITH THE PARKING AND THE SIDEWALK AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND, AND 
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STILL PRESERVE SOME FRONT YARD AREA. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOT IDEAL. 
          I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A NARROW SITE. 
          IT COMES WITH CONSTRAINTS. 
          AND, AND, AND YET AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGES AS DESIGNERS THAT WE WORK ON. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SORRY, CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I GUESS WHERE I STAND ON THE PROJECT IS I THINK THE ADDITION IS DONE VERY SENSITIVELY AND RESPECTS THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I'M FINE WITH THE PORCH, UH, MODIFICATIONS. 
          I GUESS THE, THE TWO THINGS, UH, SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS THE FRONT FACADE, THE BIG PLATE GLASS WINDOW, AS OPPOSED TO THE TWO OPENINGS, UM, HONORING THE SHOTGUN, UH, ELEMENT THAT THIS HOUSE IS, CAN YOU GO TO THE EXISTING AND THEN, UM, SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE I FALL ON THE, THE PARKING. 
          I CAN SEE, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S, UM, STATEMENT THAT HAVING A PARK, HAVING A CAR PARKED RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE, THE FRONT GABLE, UH, AGAIN, DIMINISHES THE, THE, UM, PRESENCE OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, BUT I CAN ALSO SEE THE, THE TIGHT SITE THAT WE, UM, BUT BASED ON THE, UH, MOTION TO KEEP THE, THE LARGE WINDOW, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL SEE HOW THE, THE VOTE GOES, AND THEN, UH, IF IT PASSES, YOU MAY PROCEED. 
          IF NOT, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET AN AMENDMENT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YES. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, DO WE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO OUR EXISTING MOTION? YES. 
          NOW WE CAN HAVE THE AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE EXISTING MOTION TO INCLUDE THE REINSTATEMENT OF STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR TO ADDRESS THE WINDOW AND JUST ADD, ADD SOMETHING. 
          IF WE WERE BEING COMPLETE PURIST WITH THE, THAT FRONT ELEVATION AND THERE WAS A DOOR AND A WINDOW, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE A PORCH ON THE TOO, CORRECT. 
          BUT I, I, SO WE'RE, SO WE'RE BEING, WE'RE BEING INNOVATIVE WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          I GET IT. 
          AND IMPROVISING. 
          SO MM-HMM. 
           REINSTATEMENT OF, UM, STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR OR ITEM NUMBER FOUR WILL GET US A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL FORM AND COMPOSITION OF THAT GABLE END. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL ASK THIS. 
          SO WE HAVE A AMENDED MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECONDED VELAZQUEZ, CAN YOU HEAR ME, SIR? YES, NOW WE DO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I'LL SUPPORT THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, MOTION WITH THAT AMENDMENT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I, I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT'S BEEN SET UP HERE IN, IS THERE A HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN GIVING YOUR CLIENT WHAT HE WANTS, WHICH IS A NICE, GOOD SIZED WINDOW, AND KEEPING THE, THE PROFILE OR THE HISTORIC ASPECT, I'M SURE THERE PROBABLY IS, RIGHT? I'M SURE MAYBE PICTURE WINDOW OR WIDE PICTURE WINDOW IS, IS NOT THE RIGHT TERM. 
          MAYBE YOU JUST KIND OF BRING IT IN A LITTLE, JUST KIND OF BRING IT IN A LITTLE BIT TO TRY AND KEEP THAT, THAT, THAT LOOK THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE, ARE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOMETHING WE DID AT SIX 11 MUNCIE, GRANTED IT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE DID SEPARATE THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW INTO LIKE A THREE GANG, YOU KNOW, COULD, WOULD THAT BE KIND OF MEETING IN THE MIDDLE SUFFICIENT FOR THE COMMISSION? IF WE SPLIT THIS INTO A TWO GANG? I STILL THINK PROPORTIONALLY, UH, ONE LARGE WINDOW AS A TWO GANG IN THE MIDDLE WOULD LOOK MORE APPEALING THAN TWO SEPARATE 3 0 6 OHS, OR, OR 30 32 INCH, 72 INCH, WHATEVER THEY ARE, UM, WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, SIGHTING DOWN THE MIDDLE. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE'D BE OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          ALONG THOSE LINES, WE WOULD NEED TO CHECK WITH OUR MOTION MAKER, BUT NOT OVER ONE, OVER ONE  IF AMENDMENT MAKER, UM, CLARIFY THAT, WHETHER IT'S TWO SEPARATE WINDOWS OR A GANGED WINDOW, I THINK THE CHOICE IS, UH, OR CAN WE HAVE YOU WORK WITH STAFF? IT WOULD BE EITHER ONE OR TWO GANGED WITH THE MOLLY IN BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT IT IS IN THE SPIRIT OF A TRADITIONAL WINDOW. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BUT WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THEM, UM, WE'D WANNA KEEP THEM OPERATIONAL, BUT CASEMENT TO NOT HAVE THE ONE OVER ONES CASE CASEMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? NO, I THINK ONE OVER ONE. 
          I THINK WE GO WITH A ONE OVER, UM, ONE OVER ONE OPERABLE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT THOUGHT. 
          BUT, UM, WE WANT A PICTURE WINDOW, RIGHT? AND WE'RE TRYING 
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TO MEET HALFWAY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE GANG IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION ? THE, YES. 
          WOULD YOU CLARIFY, PLEASE, COMMISSIONER? OH, THAT WE REINSTATE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          WOULD THAT THE STIPULATION FOR ITEM FOUR, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          IS THE, THE AMENDMENT RIGHT TO THE MOTION. 
          SO THAT'S ITEM FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO AS PART OF MY DISCUSSION WAS JUST THAT TRYING TO FIND IN, IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE, IS TO FIND A, A MEDIUM WHERE WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN THAT LOOK OF, OF THE TWO WINDOWS, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK ONE OF 'EM WAS ORIGINAL, THAT LOOK, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MEET YOUR CLIENT'S REQUIREMENT FOR HAVING THAT PICTURESQUE VIEW FROM THE INSIDE OF HIS HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LARGE LIGHT, LET LIGHT IN, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          FUNCTIONALITY. 
          MM-HMM. 
           OF, OF A BIGGER WINDOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DO, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET THERE? AND I'M TALKING TO THE ARCHITECTS IN THE ROOM. 
          HOW DO WE GET THERE? COMMISSIONER SAVINA? UM, I BEL, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY, IN ITS TOTAL, UM, IN ALL OF THE MOVING PARTS AND ASPECTS, AND I THINK WE'VE, UM, UM, MET IN THE MIDDLE ON A NUMBER OF ITEMS AND, UM, UH, HELPED TO REALIZE EVERYTHING OR MOST OF THE THINGS YOUR CLIENT WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND ALSO MAINTAIN YOUR, UM, SENSE OF EXPRESSION ON THE PROJECT. 
          UH, I THINK THE, THE WINDOW IS, UH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          ASK ON, I APPRECIATE THE GUIDELINES. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE COME TO AGREEMENT ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE WINDOW. 
          AND IF WE COULD MEET HALFWAY ON THIS WINDOW, I'LL WALK OUT OF HERE A VERY HAPPY MAN POINT OF ORDER. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. 
          THERE'S BEEN A MOTION. 
          AND SECOND, SO WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS. 
          YES, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          UH, ONE MOMENT, SIR. 
          LET'S LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONER SPEAK FIRST. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          WE'LL, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? UM, NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'M SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, WELL, I JUST THINK THE AMENDMENT, THE AMENDMENT HERE IS KIND OF WHERE THE STICKING POINT IS. 
          I THINK WHERE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE. 
          IF THIS MOTION WERE TO FAIL, THEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION WOULD, WOULD BE VOTED ON, SO. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE TWO STEP HERE. 
          SO I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE CURRENT AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR, I, I ALSO THINK THAT THAT, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS THAT SOMETIMES YOU, YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, TAKE A GUESS ON WHAT YOU THINK IS GOING AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOME UNFORTUNATE PART OF THE BEST, UH, UM, FUNCTION I THINK WE HAVE. 
          RIGHT? BUT I, I, I DO, I DO THINK THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THIS, NUMBER FOUR, AND THAT IT'S NOT TO, IT, IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT WE'RE AGREEING ON HERE, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT NUMBER FOUR IS INCORRECT AS IT IS WRITTEN. 
          OKAY? SO SOMEWHERE, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE NEGOTIATING OR IF WE'RE HAVING A MOTION BASED ON FOUR, UH, THE USE OF THE TERM RESTORED TO ORIGINAL PROFILE IS INCORRECT. 
          IT, IT DIDN'T EXIST. 
          SO IF WE REMOVE, IF WE SAY FINDINGS, STAFF RECOMMENDS TWO FRONT WINDOWS, UH, WITH PROFILE AND CONFIGURATION CHANGES THE SPIRIT OF WHAT CAN BE DONE HERE. 
          NOW, I, I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT THE GENTLEMAN'S ASKING FOR IS TOO MUCH. 
          I DO THINK THAT IT'S RISKY BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS HERE AND IT CAN GO EITHER WAY. 
          RIGHT? MY, MY SENSE IS THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE MANY THAT WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION WITH, WITH FOUR. 
          UH, AND THERE ARE MANY THAT WILL, UH, AND, AND THERE ARE A FEW THAT WILL SUPPORT IT. 
          UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH WITHOUT IT, THAT BEING SAID, WITH FOUR, WE STILL HAVE TO BE CORRECT IN, IN, IN E EVEN THE RECORD HERE, EVEN WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT IF STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SOMETHING, USING LANGUAGE THAT IS NOT CORRECT, UH, WE NEED A A, A COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, OR WE NEED ADVICE ON HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A STIPULATION THAT IS INCORRECT, THAT IS FACTUALLY WRONG. 
          YES. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO IS WILLING TO CLARIFY HER MOTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER, I THINK I'M THE SECOND, RIGHT? I'M THE, I I SECONDED IT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO HEAR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          LET'S COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, REINSTATE NUMBER FOUR AND THAT WE, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE DON'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS RESULTING IN ONE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW ON THE FRONT FACADE IS NOTE IN FIGHTING F UM, 
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UM, ONE OR TWO, ONE WINDOW OR TWO WINDOWS DIVIDED WITH OLIAN PER O H P GUIDELINES, THE TRADITIONAL PROPORTION SHOULD BE USED. 
          WELL, WHAT MIGHT, MIGHT I, YEAH, SAY WITH TRADITIONAL PROPORTION, OH, WELL, ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL PROPORTION RELEVANT TO THE STO HISTORIC STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL GABLE. 
          WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, UH, ONE OR TWO WINDOWS. 
          IT CAN BE ONE APPLICANT'S CHOICE, ONE WINDOW OR TWO WINDOWS. 
          THAT'S THE CHOICE, THAT'S THE, THE MIDDLE GROUND. 
          BUT THOSE TWO WINDOWS OR ONE WINDOW NEEDS TO BE PROPORTIONAL TO THE STYLE OF THAT HOUSE. 
          COULD STAFF CLARIFY FROM, UH, YES, PLEASE. 
          APPROVAL POINT AND A PERMITTING POINT. 
          UH, DOES THAT MOTION INCLUDE A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW? YES, SIR. 
          A AMEND AMENDMENT, PLEASE. 
          UM, I, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT QUEZ. 
          YOU CONCUR WITH YOUR SECOND. 
          YEAH, I WANNA, I WANNA, UM, I WANNA CONTINUE THE SECOND IN THE SPIRIT THAT THE MAJORITY GONNA GET THE MAJORITY THIS PASSED. 
          UH, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, MR. CHAIR, THAT MY SECOND IS THAT I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN AGREEMENT WITH, WITH IT NOT BEING, UH, FURTHER THAN, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT ONE OVER ONE IS SINGLE. 
          I, I KIND OF AGREE WITH WHAT THE GENTLEMAN'S PROPOSING, BUT MY FEELING IS THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT PASS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE SPIRIT OF MY SECOND IS. 
          AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, COUNSEL WHETHER OR NOT HE'S ABLE TO TAKE AN ITEM LIKE THIS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE BOARD OF SCOPE OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, SHOULD IT NOT PASS ANY DECISION? SO ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THE OUTCOME CAN BE APPEALED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IT CAN BE AS A WHOLE OR ANY OF THE PARTICULAR STIPULATIONS. 
          IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU, COREY. 
          THAT'S WHAT MY WHOLE POINT IS ABOUT IT, ABOUT THE LANGUAGE NOT BEING CORRECT. 
          I, AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK THAT STAFF DOES. 
          I, I I JUST KNOW THAT IT'S NOT CORRECT AND IT MAY, MAY GIVE HIM SOME LEVERAGE IF HE CHOOSES TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          WE'LL SIMPLY OFFER THAT THE WORD RETAIN MIGHT BE A BETTER WORD CHOICE THAN RESTORE, BUT STAFF STIPULATION IS THAT THE EXISTING OPENINGS BE RETAINED. 
          THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT IS IN THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          UH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. 
          APPRECIATE, SO STAFF WANTS TO SEE TWO SEPARATE WINDOWS, RIGHT? IS WHAT IT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THE AMENDMENT IS NOT JUST TO, TO, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE AMENDMENT IS NOT LIMITING IT TO THE EX CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF TWO SEPARATE WINDOWS THAT MAYBE A WAY OF PHRASING THIS IS THAT APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR WITH A STIPULATION THAT TWO WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS INSPIRED BY EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE, ON THE EXISTING HOUSE THAT CAN BE CONFIGURED EITHER SEPARATELY OR MOLD TOGETHER AS A PAIR. 
          GOT IT. 
          YES. 
          WOULD THAT BE IN THE SPIRIT OF MOTION? YOU GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          ONE OVER ONE. 
          ONE OVER ONE. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          ONE OVER ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE IT CLARIFIED NOW. 
          SO, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          MR. GIBBS, UH, I, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE MOTION, I MEAN SO MUCH BACK AND FORTH, CAN WE CLARIFY WHAT MOTION WE'RE VOTING ON SO I COULD BE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR? 'CAUSE I'M, WE ARE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT, WHICH IS, UH, THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THE ADDITION OF, UH, A MODIFICATION TO NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS TO, UH, REINSTALL REINSTATE TWO WINDOWS ON THE FRONT GABLE. 
          THEY CAN EITHER BE SEPARATED OR THEY CAN BE GANGED, UH, IN, UH, TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS TO THE, UH, STYLE OF THE HOUSE AND ONE OVER ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GU IS RECUSED CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW I WILL VOTE ON THE, UH, ORIGINAL MOTION AS AMENDED. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP RECUSED CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15, 
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JUST A NOTE. 
          UM, AFTER THIS CASE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 3 79 3 26 WEST HOLLYWOOD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          TWO, CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAINING FENCE WITH WOODEN FENCE. 
          FOUR, PERFORM PERFORM FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING, AND FIVE, REPLACE THE EXISTING ROOF WITH SLATE TILE. 
          ROOF STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT ONE, NUMBER ONE, WINDOWS BE ADDED TO BOTH THE EAST AND WEST FACADE TO PREVENT FACADES THAT ARE VOID OF THE FENESTRATION PARTICULAR INTEREST SHOULD BE PAID TO THE WEST FACADE AS IT IS THE MOST VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURE FOR INCH EXPOSURE AND A SMOOTH FINISH. 
          THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT DOCUMENT THE PROPOSED OFFSET TO THE WEST FACADE BETWEEN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE PROPOSED ADDITION. 
          FIVE, THAT ANY NEW WINDOWS BE WOOD, ALUMINUM, CLOUD, AND BE CONSISTENT WITH SAS STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND ADDITION, UH, SORRY, THAT WAS FOUR FIVE, THAT ALL WINDOWS BE RECESSED WITHIN ONE OP WITHIN WALL OPENINGS AT LEAST TWO INCHES CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SECOND STORY EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS I THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          ONE THAT ALL WINDOWS BE RECESSED WITHIN WALL OPENINGS AT LEAST TWO INCHES CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS. 
          TWO THAT WOULD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND ADDITION, I DEFINITELY STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT FENESTRATIONS BE ADDED TO THE REAR FACADE. 
          THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED COMPOSITE SIDING FEATURE, FOUR INCH EXPOSURE AND A SMOOTH FINISH THAT IS PROPOSED AND THAT THE PROPOSED STAIRS BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOORS FEATURE WOOD CONSTRUCTION AND TWO DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOW LIGHTS AND FOUR, THAT THE TRIM DETAIL BE ADDED TO NOTE THE ORIGINAL PLATE PLATE HEIGHT. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, FRONT REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING O AS SUBMITTED. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING BASED ON FINDING P AS SUBMITTED. 
          AND FIVE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF CONCRETE TILE ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE FINAL PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS INCLUDING COLOR TO HP STAFF FOR APPROVAL FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT'S GABBY AND BRYCE WILKINSON ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY MR. WILKINSON, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. 
          YEP. 
          CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          YES. 
          HELLO EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. 
          UH, GABBY, MY WIFE IS HERE WITH ME. 
          HELLO. 
          WE HAVE LIVED IN BEACON HILL FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT THAT WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR AND APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE MEETINGS. 
          UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH O H P AND THE H D R C. 
          UH, WE RECENTLY PURCHASED 3 2 6 HOLLYWOOD AND WE'RE EXCITED TO MODERNIZE AND BEAUTIFY THE HOME AND BRING IT BACK TO ITS HISTORIC CHARACTER AND APPEARANCE. 
          UH, IN PURCHASING THIS HOME, WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENT TO USE EVERY KNOWN RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO US TO PREPARE FOR THIS MEETING. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUT. 
          WE HAVE MET AND REVIEWED OUR PROJECT WITH THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION AND APPLIED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH O H P STAFF. 
          AN ONSITE VISIT OF THE PROPERTY WAS CONDUCTED. 
          WE HAVE CORRESPONDED THROUGH 20 TO 30 EMAILS. 
          WE HAVE HAD A WEBEX, UH, REVIEW WITH O H P STAFF. 
          WE ATTENDED THE D R C MEETING LAST TUESDAY, SO EIGHT, NINE AND APPLIED MODIFICATIONS TO OUR DESIGN. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE'RE AT, UH, THIS MEETING TODAY. 
          WE AGREE TO THE MAJORITY OF O H P STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING A FEW MINOR CHANGES. 
          WE WILL BE DISCUSSING 1, 2, 1 3, 2 2, AND TWO THREE TODAY. 
          STARTING OUT AT ONE TWO, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, USING A SIX INCH EXPOSURE. 
          UM, OF COURSE IT WILL BE SMOOTH FINISH WE INITIALLY HAD DESIGNED, AND APOLOGIES, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ECHO COMING THROUGH. 
          WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MUTE OUT? YOU SOUND FINE ON OUR END. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE THE LIVE STREAM RUNNING, YOU'LL NEED TO MUTE 
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THAT OF COURSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T, I'M JUST GOING TO LOWER MY VOLUME ON MY SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WILL USE A SMOOTH FINISH, UH, BUT ARE PROPOSING TO USE A SIX INCH EXPOSURE. 
          WE HAD INITIALLY DESIGNED A FOUR INCH EXPOSURE, UH, BUT IN DRIVING THROUGH MONTE VISTA, ESPECIALLY DOWN HOLLYWOOD AND SURROUNDING BLOCKS, WE PREDOMINANTLY SEE A SIX INCH EXPOSURE. 
          UM, WE SURVEYED AND FOUND THAT OVER 90 PER 95% OF THE HOMES USE A SIX INCH EXPOSURE ON HOLLYWOOD. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT EXPOSURE VARIES GREATLY BETWEEN HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND EVEN BLOCKS WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BOARD'S STANCE IS ON CHOOSING AESTHETICS LIKE THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, PERHAPS KING WILLIAM PREDOMINANTLY USES FOUR INCH, BUT MONTE VISTA USES SIX. 
          UH, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE USING SIT SIX INCH EXPOSURE TO STAY MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE BLOCK AND STREET BEFORE MOVING TO TWO OR ONE THREE. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ONE. 
          THREE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A FOUR TO FIVE INCH OFFSET OR FACADE OFFSET VERSUS 12 INCHES. 
          WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE AND SUPPORT A CLEAR DELINEATION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW, BUT WE BELIEVE A FOUR TO FIVE INCH OFFSET SATISFIES THIS REQUIREMENT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS MIXED RENT BRICK. 
          WE WILL BE USING A COMPOSITE SIDING USING CONTRASTING COLOR, SO AN OLIVER OF BEIGE, WHICH WILL CLEARLY SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STRUCTURES. 
          WE SURVEYED MONO VISTA AND HAVE DOCUMENTED OVER 30 HOMES THAT USE LITTLE TO NO OFFSET. 
          UH, SOME JUST USE TRIM BOARDS OR A DIFFERENCE IN MATERIAL AND ARE CLEARLY DISTINGUISHABLE. 
          WE WANT TO USE BOTH FACADE OFFSET AND DIFFERENCE IN MATERIAL TO ACCENTUATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HISTORIC AND NON HISTORIC. 
          ALSO UNDER THE O H O H P GUIDELINES, ON PAGE TWO, ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          NOTE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN OLD AND NEW, UTILIZE A SETBACK OR A SMALL RECESSED AREA, AND SMALL CHANGE IN FENESTRATION DETAILING THE SEAM AT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN THE NEW ADDITION. 
          ALSO, THERE ARE MULTIPLE EXAMPLES. 
          UM, ON PAGE THREE, UNDER O H P GUIDELINES, UH, PICTURE A SHOWS A MODEST SETBACK, UM, WITH, WITH VARIED FORMS THAT DISTINGUISH THE REAR ADDITION. 
          AND ALSO ON PAGE FOUR, RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHENEVER POSSIBLE PROVIDE A CLEAR DISTINCTION BETWEEN OLD AND NEW, USING A SETBACK OR OTHER WERE OTHER VISUAL TRANSITION. 
          SO CONSIDERING, UH, THE SPIRIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE USING A DIFFERENT, UM, FINISH, AND WE ARE ALSO USING A FACADE OFFSET, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS FOUR TO FIVE INCH OFFSET SATISFIES THIS REQUIREMENT. 
          MOVING ON TO TWO, TWO, WE ACCEPT WITH CONTINGENCY NOT TO INCLUDE FENESTRATION TO THE REAR FACADE DUE TO SECURITY AND PRIVACY CONCERNS. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO WALKED, UH, QUITE A FEW ALLEYS THROUGH MONTE VISTA AND SEE THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ALSO, THIS FACADE IS NOT VISIBLE TO RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND FINALLY, TWO THREE, WE'RE ACCEPTING WITH A CONTINGENCY ON MOVING TO A PATTERN 1 1 7. 
          THAT'S THE EXISTING SIDING ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE WITH A TRIM PIECE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE OLD AND AND THE NEW. 
          WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO USE COMP COMPOSITION GARAGE DOORS INSTEAD OF OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE'VE SURVEYED TWO STREETS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF HOLLYWOOD IN MONTE VISTA AND FOUND OVER 45 HOMES THAT USE COMPOSITE OR STEEL CONSTRUCTION. 
          ALL OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS WE ACCEPT. 
          AND I THINK WE CAN MOVE INTO QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. 
          WE DO NOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO DISCUSSION. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          ARE THE ELEVATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MOST UPDATED AND ACCURATE IN, UH, 
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ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE MAIN HOUSE ADDITION, LACK OF WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR? IS THAT WHAT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          NO, THEY ARE NOT. 
          WE HAVE ADDED, UH, NEW ELEVATION DRAWINGS THAT SHOW, UM, ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION TO THE VOID AREAS, UH, FOR STAFF STIPULATION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          STAFF. 
          DO WE HAVE THOSE UPDATED ELEVATIONS? THESE ARE THE MOST UPDATED EL ELEVATIONS THAT I HAVE. 
          SO PERHAPS THE, UM, WINDOW PLACEMENT IN THE PLANS IS THE UP IS THE ACCURATE ONE. 
          PERHAPS. 
          I, IF WE STAY HERE, I CAN JUST HIGHLIGHT WHERE THE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS ARE AND, AND IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN ALSO TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, PENDING, UH, STAFF'S REVIEW OF THE, THE MOST UP-TO-DATE, UH, DRAWINGS THAT WOULD WORK, BUT PERFECT. 
          D R C, THEY SUGGESTED A WINDOW, UM, THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE CLOSET DOOR. 
          SO THE SECOND STORY IS, IS A BEDROOM AND THERE'S A CLOSET DOOR THAT SWINGS OUT TO THE SIDE. 
          UM, IT'S CLOSER TO THE BRICK, UH, ON THE BRICK SIDE. 
          UM, SO A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEING USED IN THE HOUSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY FOUR FEET FROM, FROM THE, THE BRICK. 
          UM, SO A WINDOW THERE. 
          AND THEN ALSO DOWNSTAIRS WE HAVE ADDED A WINDOW, UM, ABOUT SIX FEET FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE ADDITION OF THE SAME SIZE AND FORM. 
          SO THERE'S TWO MORE WINDOWS BEING ADDED. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT ON THE, UH, EAST FACING ELEVATION, THE SECOND FLOOR FACADE? ARE THERE ANY WINDOWS ON THAT? YES, THERE'S ONE WINDOW. 
          IT'S IN THE SAME, THE UPSTAIRS OF THE ADDITION IS BASICALLY A SYMMETRICAL, SO THERE'S A BEDROOM ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE BEDROOM ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          SO THE SAME WINDOW THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE D R C TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BEHIND THE CLOSET DOOR IN THE BEDROOM WOULD BE ALSO ON THE EAST SIDE BEDROOM. 
          UM, SO ROUGHLY FOUR FEET AWAY FROM THE BRICK. 
          SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMETHING INCLUDED THERE. 
          IT'S NOT IN OUR PACKAGE. 
          YES. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, YES, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I CAN ATTEMPT A MOTION IF WE'RE READY, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE THIS AS REQUESTED. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST PRUDENT WAY FORWARD. 
          SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WITH STIPULATION ONE, STIPULATION TWO, MODIFIED TO READ, UH, UP TO A SIX INCH EXPOSURE, UH, WITH STIPULATION THREE TO PERMIT A MINIMUM OF FOUR INCH OFFSET STIPULATION FOUR AS WRITTEN. 
          UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO WITH STIPULATION ONE, UH, STIPULATION TWO TO BE MODIFIED, UH, SUCH THAT THE ALLEY DOES NOT REQUIRE AN INCLUSION OF WINDOWS. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS THERE. 
          AND STIPULATION, UH, THREE AS PROPOSED A SECOND. 
          OH, WAIT, WAIT, STILL GOT A FEW MORE . 
          UM, AND THEN ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          THE SECOND STANDS CLARIFICATION, DOES IT INCLUDE TWO, UH, FOUR, THE TRIM DETAIL? I CERTAINLY INTENDED IT TO DO SO. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SECOND STILL STANDS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFICATION? YES, MA'AM. 
          THE THING THAT GOES ALONG WITH YOURS IS THE ONLY STIPULATIONS YOU MENTIONED WERE JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE EDITED, BUT ALL THE OTHER STIPULATIONS STAY RIGHT? 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THEM. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO I MEAN, IN SUMMARY THERE, IT, THERE'S MODIFICATION TO ONE DASH TWO, ONE DASH THREE TWO DASH TWO TWO DASH THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND NOW DISCUSSION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, IT'S, IT'S REGARDING THE, UM, THE STIPULATION TO TWO, THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION AT THE REAR FACADE OF THE, UM, THE TWO STORY, UH, STRUCTURE. 
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I, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT HAVING WINDOWS AT THE GROUND LEVEL, AND IF YOU, IF YOU DO WALK IN UP AND DOWN THE ALLEYS THERE, YOU'LL SEE FREQUENTLY IN, IN, IN A HISTORIC ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, IF THEY HAD WINDOWS, THEY'RE OFTEN SEALED UP AND SOMETIMES NOT, UH, IN THE MOST, UH, SENSITIVE OF WAYS. 
          BUT WOULD YOU BE ACCEPTING OF, UH, WINDOWS AT THE SECOND LEVEL WHERE THERE ISN'T, NOT NECESSARILY THE SECURITY CONCERN, BUT IT STILL PRESENTS A BETTER FACE TO, IF NOT THE ALLEY, AT LEAST TO YOUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS FROM THE ALLEY OR SEVERAL NEIGHBORS ACROSS FROM THE ALLEY, AND IT BRINGS, UH, NATURAL LIGHT INTO THAT SPACE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE APPLICANT? SO THAT THAT IS A, THAT THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON FENESTRATION TO, UH, THE SECOND STORY. 
          THERE ARE A FEW CONCERNS. 
          ONE IS THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND US. 
          UM, IT'S WHERE THEIR POOL IS AND IT'S, IT'S LINWOOD, UM, AND THERE'S ONLY TWO HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK. 
          THEY'RE FAIRLY LARGE. 
          UM, SO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S AN INVASION OF THEIR PRIVACY. 
          UM, ALSO THE INTERNAL DESIGN, UM, HAS BUILT-INS ON, UM, ALMOST HALF OF THE, UH, OF THAT WALL. 
          SO A A, UM, A WINDOW WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO FIT IN IN THE DESIGN. 
          UM, ALSO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A RENOVATION IN OUR CURRENT HOME IN BEACON HILL, AND THAT WAS, GRANTED, IT WAS SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND WE WERE BROKEN INTO UNFORTUNATELY, UH, TWO OR THREE TIMES, AND THEY WERE VERY CREATIVE GETTING INTO OUR HOUSE. 
          UM, SO KICKING UP, FLOORBOARDS, CRAWLING UNDER THE FLOOR SPACE. 
          UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S FORTON KNOCKS HERE NOW, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY POSSIBILITY OF, OF GETTING BROKEN INTO AGAIN. 
          UM, AND GABBY, ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, I, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING A FLOOR PLAN FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT SHOWS THE WINDOWS, I GUESS, OR SHOWS THE, UH, THE BUILT-INS THAT ARE THE, THE CONFLICT TO HAVING WINDOWS ON THAT, THAT SIDE. 
          BUT, UH, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU? NO, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT. 
          UM, IT IS THE LOCATION OF THE HOME. 
          UM, THE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE SANDBORNE MAP AND THE AERIAL, UH, THE LOCATION OF, OF THE ALLEY UP AGAINST THESE, IT'S ONE LOT WITH TWO HOMES,  THE EQUIVALENT OF ALL THE OTHER HOMES. 
          SO I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, NO FENESTRATIONS ON THAT. 
          UM, JUST THAT SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, NO COMMENTS. 
          I'M SUPPORT IN SUPPORT OF THE, UH, MOTION COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I AM, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AND, UM, BASED ON WHAT I READ IN, IN THE CASE, I AM AGREEMENT AS WELL. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING VIRTUALLY. 
          I KNEW Y'ALL WERE HEARING THINGS CLEARLY IN THE ROOM, BUT, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS, I REALLY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING, BUT, UM, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          NO COMMENTS, SIR. 
          AND I'M IS IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION AND, UM, THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR MEETING WITH US AT A D R C. 
          WE DISCUSS ADDING THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE EAST AND WEST FACADES OF THE HOUSE EDITION. 
          UM, AND WE DID DISCUSS THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE, UH, REAR OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND, AND, UH, UNDERSTOOD THE, THE APPLICANT'S CONCERNS THERE. 
          UM, ONE QUESTION. 
          WHEN YOU SAY A COMPOSITE MATERIAL FOR THE GARAGE DOORS, WILL THEY HAVE THE SAME LOOK OF WHAT'S DRAWN ON THESE ELEVATIONS? YES. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, IN THAT CASE, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE OR ROLL CALL. 
          GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. 
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SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRUB? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND BUTZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, JUST A NOTE, ITEM NUMBER 16 WAS WITHDRAWN AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL US BACK INTO SESSION. 
          SO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 4 21 2 0 9 WEST POPLAR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ENCLOSE THE EAST SIDE OF THE TWO STORY FRONT. 
          PORCH STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ENCLOSING THE FRONT PORCH AND CONSTRUCTING A FRONT FACADE ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, JAVIER GONZALEZ, IS WITH US PER, UH, IN PERSON. 
          EXCUSE ME, MR. GONZALEZ, YOU'RE UP. 
          EVENING CHAIRMAN FE IS THAT MIKE ON HERE? WE OKAY, NOW IT'S ON. 
          THAT'S REALLY GREEN. 
          CHAIRMAN FEER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION, ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF STAFF. 
          UH, MY NAME IS JAVIER GONZALEZ, ONE 18 BROADWAY WITH G R G ARCHITECTURE HERE TODAY FOR A RELATIVELY SIMPLE, EASY ONE FOR YOU GUYS. 
          I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE THOSE, UH, AND I PROMISE NOT TO TAKE UP MUCH OF YOUR TIME. 
          UH, THE IDEA HERE IS TO, UM, UH, TAKE A EXISTING WRAPAROUND PORCH AND ENCLOS PART OF IT SO THAT IT, UH, HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE. 
          SO THIS IS A, UM, A NEW BUSINESS IN TOWN, UH, PERSON'S FROM SAN ANTONIO, AND HE'S OPENING UP A MUSIC SCHOOL AND HE NEEDS A LITTLE PRACTICE ROOMS IN THIS LITTLE SPACE. 
          UH, AND, AND PARDON MY, MY LESS STELLAR, UH, PHOTOSHOP WORK THERE. 
          BUT IT SHOWS THAT, THAT THE, IT PRESERVES THE FRONT PORCH SUCH AS IT IS, AND IT PRESERVES THE READING OF THE SIDE PORCH THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ENCLOSE AND TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE KEEPING THE BALLISTERS UPSTAIRS AND SO FORTH. 
          YOU STILL READ ALL THE COLUMNS AND SO FORTH. 
          UH, AND WE'RE APPROACHING IT AS, UH, PRESERVATION, UH, BEST PRACTICES, UH, DICTATE SOMETHING THAT IS REVERSIBLE AND DISTINGUISHABLE AND READABLE, BUT STILL DOESN'T TO IN ANY SHAPE, MANNER, OR FORM, UH, WORK TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          IT'S, IT'S A REALLY COOL, UH, HOUSE THAT'S BEEN CONVERTED INTO OFFICES. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A GOVERNMENT CONTRACTOR THERE BEFORE WITH, THEY HAVE A BACKUP ELECTRICAL GENERATOR AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT, THAT HAS US SCRATCHING OUR HEADS ON THE REST OF THE BUILDING. 
          BUT OVERALL, IT'S GOT LOTS OF MOVING PARTS INS AND OUTS AND, UH, GREAT WINDOWS, UH, GREAT, UH, WIDE DOOR, UH, VERY NICE, UH, PORCH ON THE FIRST AND SECOND LEVEL. 
          SO IN, IN OUR ESTIMATION AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CLIENT IN CLOSING THAT IT WAS BEING THAT IT'S REVERSIBLE IS, IS NOT, UH, UH, UH, TOO MUCH, UH, AN ASK TOO FAR. 
          SO WITH THAT, CERTAINLY, UH, WOULD LIKE TO BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY VOICEMAILS? YES, WE DO. 
          MY NAME IS FREDERICA KUSHNER. 
          I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, UH, ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 17 2 0 9 WEST POPLAR. 
          UH, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE HAS NOT BEEN APPROACHED BY THE OWNER CONCERNING HIS PROPOSED PROJECT. 
          THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF THE FRONT FACADE OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK BUILDING BY ENCLOSING PART OF THE TWO STORY FRONT PORCH IS CERTAINLY ILL-CONCEIVED THE ENCLOSURE AND THE USE OF HARDY SIDING AS THE ENCLOSING MATERIAL WOULD DESTROY THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. 
          WE DO NOT APPRO APPROVE THIS A PROPOSAL. 
          WE ASK THAT THE COMMISSION DENY THE REQUEST. 
          AS ALWAYS, WE THANK  STAFF FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS REQUEST, AND WE THANK THE H T R C FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS STATEMENT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. GONZALEZ, WHAT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COUCHING THIS IN THE ARGUMENT OF REVERSIBILITY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE SIDING AND THE WINDOWS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT CURRENT EXTERIOR WALL OF THE PORCH WITH THIS PLAN? ARE YOU CUTTING DOORS INTO THAT AREA OR ARE THERE DOORS THERE? THERE'S AN EXISTING DOOR. 
          UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEFORE, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS, IT SHOULD SHOW YOU THERE'S 
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A DOOR AT THE FAR END. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD BE ACCESS TO IT. 
          AND THE IDEA IS THAT EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD REMAIN AS IS SENDS THE ENCLOSURE, AND THAT MAKES A, A SMALL PRACTICE ROOM FOR A SMALL INSTRUMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WOULD THE SIDING, YOU KNOW, THE ENCLOSURE, UH, WOULD IT HAVE A LAPSED SIDING OR 'CAUSE IN THE PHOTOSHOP? IT'S A LITTLE . 
          I, I, I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE REVERSE, UH, BATON SIDING, UH, PRESENTED EARLIER, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING THAT FANCY. 
          UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO RECOMMENDATIONS, SUGGESTIONS. 
          THE IDEA IS THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING HORIZONTAL AKIN TO WHAT YOU SEE THERE, BUT SMOOTH, SO YOU COULD READ THAT IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC, UH, SIGHTING. 
          AND AS I SAY, UH, REVERSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THAT? YES. 
          AND, UM, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, MAYBE YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENS TO THE EXISTING EXTERIOR SITING? NOT SO MUCH WHAT SIDING YOU'LL PUT ON THE NEW, BUT IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A WAY FOR US TO PROTECT THAT AND THE AC AND HAVE VENTILATION AND ALL THAT. 
          SO, UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT EXISTING SITE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND THE INTENTION IS TO LEAVE EVERYTHING AS IS. 
          THERE MAY BE A AC GRILL TAPPED INTO IT. 
          THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR SCOPE, BUT, UH, THAT'S A, CERTAINLY A REASONABLE THOUGHT. 
          UH, SO WITH, UH, WITH MY UNDERSTANDING IS EVERYTHING STAYS AS IS EXCEPT FOR THE ENCLOSURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          QUESTION, UH, WHAT IS THE ASSEMBLY? WHAT IS THE ASSEMBLY FOR THAT EXTERIOR WALL THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO ADD TO ACHIEVE THE SOUNDPROOF AND THE THERMAL PROTECTION? YEAH, THE, THE ASSEMBLY IS WOOD FRAME, MUCH AS YOU WOULD FIND, UH, IN THE EXISTING HOME WITH, UH, SHEATHING, WATERPROOFING. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, SIDING ON THE EXTERIOR AND JUST DRYWALL ON THE INTERIOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE INCHES THICK. 
          YEAH, APPROXIMATELY. 
          AND IT, IT'S, IT'S BUILT INBOARD, SO YOU DON'T OBSCURE READING OF THE EXTERIOR PORCH COLUMNS AND SO FORTH. 
          COMPLETELY INBOARD OF THE COLUMN ON THE BACK FACE OF THE COLUMN, OR I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO ALIGN IT ON THE BACKSIDE SO THAT THEY'RE STILL, BECAUSE THOSE CO PORCH COLUMNS ARE ABOUT EIGHT INCHES. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO THEY'RE, THERE'S AT LEAST ABOUT A THREE INCH, UH, YOU KNOW, PROTRUSION OF THE, UH, PORCH COLUMNS AND SO FORTH. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT. 
          AND, AND THAT DOES ALLOW ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE, UH, EXISTING BALUSTRADE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO RUN BY. 
          SO YOU'LL MAINTAIN THE BALUSTRADE. 
          YES. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION AND DISCUSSION IS JUST TO MAKE THE MOTION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S IN THE NEGATIVE, NOT THE AFFIRMATIVE, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING I TYPICALLY DO. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS. 
          WE'RE DOING THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY UP HERE, , SO BEAR WITH US. 
          SURE. 
          UH, I MOVE FOR DENIAL BASED UPON STAFF'S COMMENTS. 
          I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, AND NOW THE DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I CAN, UH, CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE REVERSIBILITY, UH, POINT OF VIEW. 
          I THINK ON AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK, I, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS IT RIGHT, AND THAT THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERING, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIDE VIEW OF THAT CORNER. 
          TYPICALLY WHEN WE SEE PORCHES TAKEN IN OR WE, WE KIND OF GET ALONG THE WAY, THERE'S A SCREENED ELEMENT OR AN ELEMENT OF TRANSPARENCY WHERE THAT OUTSIDE AND INSIDE IS MAINTAINED. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S A DIRECTION THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO ACCOMMODATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          BUT AT THIS MOMENT, I, I, I, I CONCUR WITH STAFF AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOME THOUGHTS FROM OUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION. 
          MAY I OFFER A COMMENT? SURE. 
          UH, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE STREET VIEW. 
          THERE'S A, IT'S A ROW OF REALLY NICE HISTORIC HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN MODIFIED AND UTILIZED, UH, PRETTY WELL ACROSS THE STREET IS A, UM, A DEVELOPMENT OF BY TERRAMARK. 
          UH, AND YOU, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW THOSE ALL TOO WELL. 
          UH, SO I THINK RELATIVELY SPEAKING, THIS MODIFICATION IS NUMBER ONE, REVERSIBLE AND NUMBER TWO, VERY, A VERY LIGHT TOUCH RELATIVE TO THAT STREET FACADE IN WHAT YOU READ. 
          UH, I SUSPECT THAT SOMETHING MAY HAVE HAPPENED, UH, MAYBE 12 YEARS OR SO AGO. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS WAS LANDMARK, THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE. 
          AND SO THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES KINDA LINED UP TOGETHER, UH, WHICH MAKE IT A 
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LANDMARK. 
          AND I THINK THAT WAS LIKELY A DEFENSIVE MOVE TO SAVE THE HOME. 
          UH, THE HOME IMMEDIATE TO ITS IMMEDIATE RIGHT, IS A BEAUTIFUL HOME IN SAD, SAD SHAPE. 
          UH, SO THIS IS A GOOD FOIL TO THAT. 
          SO, AS I SAY, UH, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, THIS IS A VERY LIGHT TOUCH. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF THE, THE MORE HOLISTIC, UH, VIEW OF THAT STREET AND THAT BLOCK. 
          WELL, AND I, JUST TO RESPOND BACK, I MEAN, OR ADD COMMENT TO THIS, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONSIDER ALTERATIONS THAT CAN EXTEND THE PRODUCTIVE LIFE OF THESE HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          UM, AS IN A COMMERCIAL USE, I KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE CONSTRAINTS, UH, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE NEED. 
          UH, I'M JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED YES. 
          TO REHAB AND TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK ON THE BUILDING. 
          UM, IF THE ELEVATION, THE FRONT AND THE APPROACH, UH, OF THIS HOUSE WAS NOT SO INTERESTING, CON UH, VOLUMETRICALLY AS IT STEPS AWAY, AND AT THE SAME TIME SIMULTANEOUSLY, THE OPENING OF THAT OPEN PORCH INCREASES AS YOU GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. 
          AND SO IT'S, UM, A VERY, UH, STUNNING FACADE. 
          AND FOR THAT REASON, I THINK WE WOULD BE MISSING QUITE A BIT OF THAT INTERPLAY OF VOLUMES AND WINDOWS AND DOORS, ESPECIALLY WITH A BLANK SHEET. 
          SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS THE, THE LOSS OF THE STREET EXPERIENCE. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          UH, I, UM, WELL, FIRST I WANNA SAY HELLO TO JAVIER, RIGHT? UM, THE, UM, INITIAL, MY INITIAL, UM, I, I, I GUESS OPINION WOULD BE THAT PERHAPS THE, WHAT, WHAT'S HITTING THE CORNER, RIGHT? THE WHITE PANEL THAT IS AT THE CORNER. 
          IT, IT MIGHT BE, UM, A LITTLE, UH, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT CREATES A PROBLEM ON THE, ON THE LINEUP OF THE COLUMN, RIGHT? BUT PERHAPS YOU SHOULD STEP BACK, UM, JUST ENOUGH TO CREATE A STRONG ENOUGH SHADOW LINE TO ARTICULATE THAT DIFFERENCE. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN PERHAPS EVEN STEP BACK A LITTLE FURTHER, UH, SO THAT THE COLUMN SITS INDEPENDENTLY. 
          I THINK IT'S THE READ RIGHT? THAT, THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE IMAGE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, IT SHOWS IT AS A VERY STARK ALIEN, UM, BOXING RIGHT. 
          OF, OF, OF A BUILDING THAT IS ALREADY KIND OF CHALLENGED IN. 
          IT'S IN, IT'S IN, IT'S IN ITS TREATMENT, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY STEPPING FORWARD, IT'S JUST NECESSARILY BEAUTIFUL. 
          IT'S MORE STEPPING FORWARD AS UTILITARIAN, RIGHT? AND JUST THE WAY IT'S BEEN PAINTED. 
          SO, SO THAT DOESN'T HELP WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT THE WAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. 
          SO I, I, I WOULD ALMOST THINK THAT, THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK THE, THE, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND TO CONSIDER PULLING THE MOTION AND SEEING IF WE GET A MOTION FOR A D R C. 
          SO THAT, UM, I THINK THE STRENGTH OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS THAT IT'S REVERSIBLE AND THAT IT'S INTENTIONALLY BEING PROPOSED TO US IN A WAY THAT SAYS THAT FOR THE MOMENT, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, AND SELFISHLY, I'VE GOTTA TELL YOU, THAT TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE IT PROMOTES SOMETHING THAT IS VERY RARE TODAY, RIGHT? IT'S PROMOTING THE ARTS AND PROMOTING, PARTICULARLY THE PERFORMANCE ARTS. 
          AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT REALLY ENABLES ANOTHER ART TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND IF IT, AND IF IT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS HOUSE IN A NEGATIVE WAY, THAT THAT JUST MEANS THAT, THAT IT CAN BE REMOVED. 
          AND I THINK IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT, THAT THROUGH A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS FROM NOT THIS VERY QUICK, UM, HERE'S THE, UH, THE PICTURE AND, AND, AND THE WHITE PANELS, BUT THAT, THAT IN REALITY, THERE, THERE MAY BE A VERY SENSITIVE WAY TO DO THIS EXACT SAME THING THAT YOU'RE DOING, ARTICULATING A FEW OTHER THINGS. 
          AND, AND I, I THINK A DENIAL IS KIND OF A BAD SETS A BAD PART OF THE RECORD. 
          IF WE COULD MAYBE GET THAT, THAT MOTION, UM, REMOVED OR, OR I DON'T KNOW IF, IF A D R C CAN ACTUALLY BE AN AMENDMENT. 
          I, I, I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT IF I WOULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT IT GO TO A D R C, BUT, BUT IT'S STILL A MOTION TO DENY, RIGHT? SO I, I WOULD HOPE THAT MAYBE THE MOTION COULD BE PULLED AND THAT IT, THAT WE COULD HAVE A MOTION FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ'S, UH, COMMENTS JUST THEN, BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY TO MAYBE FIND A, A SOLUTION THAT ACHIEVES WITH, UH, THE SORT OF THE FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THIS, BUT DOES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVELY? 'CAUSE I'M, I'M RIGHT NOW, UH, AS, 
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AS IT'S PRESENTED, I, I COULDN'T SUPPORT THIS. 
          I FEEL LIKE THAT WRAPPING TWO STORY PORCH, UH, IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE. 
          AND AS, UH, COMMISSIONER VENOS SAID THAT THERE'S A, THAT INTERPLAY OF IT WRAPPING THAT THAT CORNER THAT GIVES IT DEPTH AND, AND, UM, UH, IS, IS, IS REALLY JUST IMPORTANT TO THE CHARACTER, AND THAT THE SOLID PANELS SORT DEFY THAT. 
          SO IF THERE WOULD, THERE COULD BE A, AN ALTERNATIVE MATERIAL, A VERY MINIMAL, UM, UH, GLAZING APPROACH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I COULD SUPPORT THAT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THIS IS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          MAY I COMMENT? YES, SIR. 
          UH, IT, WE WOULD BE CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO COMMISSIONER OF VELASQUEZ'S, UH, COMMENT WHERE WE WOULD PULL BACK, YOU KNOW, 6, 8, 10 INCHES FROM THE PORCH COLUMNS TO HAVE A MORE SCULPTURAL FEEL TO THEM, AND NOT LOSE THE SENSE THAT THERE WAS A PORCH HERE, AND THAT IT'S BEING ENCLOSED IN A TEMPORARY WAY, AND WE CAN COME BACK INSTEAD OF A STAR WHITE, UH, YOU KNOW, POOR, POOR PHOTOSHOP JOB, UH, WITH SOME SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SHEET METAL OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT FEELS LIGHTER AND MORE TEMPORARY RELATIVE TO AS A FOIL TO THE ENDURING, YOU KNOW, UH, MASSING OF THE REST OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS PAINTED BLACK RIGHT NOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT, IT'S A LITTLE ODD, BUT, UH, IT WOULD BE SOFTER, LIGHTER, VISUALLY SPEAKING, UH, AND, AND CERTAINLY MORE TEMPORARY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK MR. MR. CHAIRMAN POINT OF ORDER. 
          YES. 
          I BELIEVE, UH, THE MOTION CAN BE AMENDED OR MOTION CAN BE MADE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO REFER IT TO A D R C, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. 
          BUT WE WANT TO HEAR ALL THE COMMISSIONER'S FIRST UNDERSTOOD, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE MAIN MOTION, AND THEN AN AMENDMENT COULD BE MADE. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I PROBABLY, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IS AND PROBABLY WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANY AMENDMENTS. 
          MY WORRY IS, UM, THIS IS NOT A LOT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE ADDING. 
          MY WORRY IS WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE WITH THESE EXISTING WALLS. 
          SO THESE ARE EXISTING EXTERIOR WALLS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW, AND THE DOOR, AND I, I THINK BY EVEN YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, REVERSIBILITY OR THE SIX INCHES, I JUST, THIS IS, UH, MAYBE A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, BUT I'M WORRIED OF WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BEHIND THAT. 
          AND ALSO JUST VENTILATION. 
          AND MAYBE YOU SAY, WELL, THEY MAY ADD, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT YOUR PURVIEW. 
          WELL, THOSE ARE THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WORRY ME. 
          AND IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA, IT'S JUST TO BE ABLE TO ADD A LITTLE MUSIC ROOM. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS A BIG LOT. 
          THERE'S MANY BUILDINGS, THERE'S MANY WAYS OF MAYBE ADDING SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE BACK WITH THE SAME REVERSIBILITY. 
          UM, NOT, UM, I JUST, IT'S, IT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOME. 
          IT'S THE VISIBLE, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. 
          I REMEMBER, UH, THIS CASE GOING IN FRONT OF US RECENT. 
          I MEAN, UH, AT LEAST THE LAST FIVE YEARS GOING THROUGH THIS, UH, REMODEL. 
          SO I WILL NOT SUPPORT, UM, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IS. 
          I'M PROBABLY NOT AN AMENDMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH. 
          LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, UM, I THINK THAT AS A COMMISSION, WE'VE ACTUALLY DENIED PEOPLE MAKING LESSER MODIFICATIONS TO A HOUSE A THIRD OF THE AGE OF THIS HOUSE. 
          AND IT'S NOT IN AS GOOD A CONDITION AS THIS HOUSE, THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, I THINK, AGAIN, TO THE LAYMAN HERE IS, IS A SIGNIFICANT FEATURE OF THIS HOUSE. 
          IT'S AT THE FRONT AS COMMISSIONER GRU HAD POINTED OUT. 
          UM, THAT SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST THE OLD COLLEGE TRIBE, BUT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ONE HELL OF A TRY TO C**K ME INTO PUTTING, CLOSING OUT THIS, UH, THIS, THIS PORCH HERE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, I APPRECIATE THE LIGHT TOUCH THAT THE APPLICANT IS SUGGESTING, BUT IN MY OPINION, I THINK IN CLOSING THIS PORCH IS JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT, YOU KNOW, IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC NATURE. 
          UM, I DO AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, UM, SUGGESTING THE D R C. 
          I KNOW THAT'S NOT ON THE BOARD AT THE MOMENT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY THAT AS A LANDMARK BUILDING, UM, THAT PUTTING THIS NEW INSERTION ON THE VERY PROMINENT FRONT PORCH IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THAT LANDMARK STATUS. 
          UH, AND SO I WOULD, UH, APPROVE THE VOTE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MOTION AS SUBMITTED. 
          UH, LOOKING AT THE, SORT OF FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER GRU HAD MENTIONED, UH, LOOKING AT THE GOOGLE EARTH, UH, AERIAL, IT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY DEEP, THERE'S ACTUALLY A ONE STORY ADDITION ON THE REAR. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF A SECOND STORY ADDITION WAS, UH, EVER, UH, DISCUSSED OR STUDIED. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT IF MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NEEDED 
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TO THIS BUILDING, THAT IT BE DONE, UH, IT'D BE LOOKED AT OUT OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, UM, ON, UH, PERHAPS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, SO I CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. 
          GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE VELAZQUEZ, THIS IS ON, UM, THIS IS ON THE, ON THE MAIN MOTION. 
          THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO MOTION. 
          MAIN MOTION. 
          MAIN MOTION. 
          MOTION. 
          THERE'S ONLY ONE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, UH, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          AND THERE'S ONLY ONE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          AND THAT WAS THE ONE PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER MOTIONS PRESENTED. 
          OKAY, I MADE A MISTAKE THEN. 
          'CAUSE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ SAID HE MIGHT LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT, WHICH I DIDN'T ASK HIM FOR. 
          SO, BUT, HI. 
          BUT THE RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT WOULD NOT BE AN AMENDMENT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A SEPARATE MOTION. 
          BE A SEPARATE MOTION. 
          SO YOU, YOU WERE CORRECT IN CALLING FOR A ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION. 
          IF THE MOTION FAILS, THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER A SEPARATE MOTION. 
          OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, NAY, NAY, CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          ANTE. 
          AYE. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          SO, UM, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE THAT IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO US YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SCHEDULE A D R C. 
          UH, TALK TO YOUR CLIENT ABOUT POSSIBLE OTHER, UH, EXPANSION OPTIONS ON THE SITE. 
          SURE. 
          ON THE SITE. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DON'T, UH, STAY TOO LATE. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18. 
          ITEM 18. 
          ON ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 24 3 22 NORTH HACKBERRY STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 600 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PROPOSED REAR ADDITION WILL FEATURE AN ENCLOSED STORAGE STRUCTURE, AN OPEN AIR CARPORT, AND A SECOND LEVEL ROOF DECK. 
          TWO, INSTALL WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS. 
          THREE, MODIFY THE FENESTRATION OF THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, CONSTRUCTION OF AR REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE CARPORT AND DECK IS CONSTRUCTED AS A DETACHED STRUCTURE FROM THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO REFLECT THIS MODIFICATION FOR REVIEW BY STAFF PRIOR TO APPROVAL. 
          TWO, THAT THE STAIRCASE IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND OUT OF VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO REFLECT THIS MODIFICATION FOR REVIEW BY STAFF PRIOR TO APPROVAL. 
          THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD SIDING THAT MATCHES THE MATERIAL AND PROFILE TO THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          FOUR, THAT THE INSTALLED DOORS BE OF TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND OF SOLID WOOD MATERIAL. 
          FIVE, THAT THE NEW WOOD COLUMNS AT THE REAR OF THE ADDITION BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES IN WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE IN CHAMFORD CORNERS. 
          TWO. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, RESTORATION OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATION FENESTRATION BASED ON FINDINGS E AND F WITH THE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR NEW WINDOWS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING F TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE AN UPDATED WINDOW SCHEDULE THAT CLEARLY ILLUSTRATES THE PLACEMENT OF THE NEW WINDOWS IN RELATION TO THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS FOR REVIEW BY STAFF PRIOR TO APPROVAL. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, MODIFICATION OF THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          FENESTRATION BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING DOOR AND WINDOW OPENINGS BE MAINTAINED AND THE APPLICANT, UH, NOE GARCIAS HERE IN PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NOAH GARCIA, AND THIS IS MY WIFE MAGGIE GARCIA. 
          OKAY, HERE'S, OKAY. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, JUST BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, THE FIRST ONE. 
          ONE, OKAY, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT THE CARPORT, UH, BE DETACHED. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD, UH, BEEN PREVIOUS EMAILS WE HAD DISCUSSED, UH, MAYBE DOING A, AN 
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ATTACHED CARPORT, UH, JUST TO FIND OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, IT WAS NOT PART OF THAT SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, IMPROVEMENTS. 
          SO WE JUST WANNA CLARIFY, CLARIFY THAT. 
          UH, IS THERE GONNA BE A DETACHED OR, BECAUSE, UH, LIKE I SAID, PREVIOUS EMAILS, UH, THERE WAS NO ISSUES WITH THAT WHEN WE DID, WHEN I WAS DOING PREVIOUS EMAILS. 
          AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE, AND ACCORDING TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, IT IS AN ISSUE. 
          UH, SO WE'D LIKE TO GO AND BASICALLY WE'D LIKE TO JUST DISCUSS THESE ITEMS AS WE GO. 
          AND, UH, AND LIKE I SAID, JUST GETTING CLARIFICATION ON THAT, WHY THE RECOMMENDATION OF A DETACH. 
          'CAUSE WHAT WE DID IS WE, UH, HIRED AN ENGINEER BASED ON THAT EMAIL, HIRED AN ENGINEER TO DO THE FRAMING DETAIL AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THEN TURNS OUT THAT, UH, THAT, THAT IS NOT RECOMMENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          COULD STAFF CLARIFY THEIR RECOMMENDATION HERE? I'M PINCH HITTING FOR A COLLEAGUE, SO I'M GONNA INVITE EDWARD UP HERE. 
          STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR A DETACHED GARAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE RECOMMEND. 
          UM, PARKING LOCATIONS AND PARKING RELATED STRUCTURES, UH, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS, OR ALWAYS FOUND DETACHED FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          UH, SO, UH, JUST LIKE, UH, A SIDE CARPORT, UM, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THIS BE DETACHED. 
          UM, IF IT WAS JUST A SIMPLE STANDALONE CARPORT STRUCTURE, THAT WOULD ALSO BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I'M LOOKING MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT, UH, POTENTIALLY, BUT THIS WAS COMMUNICATED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION LAST WEEK, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND PREVIOUS EMAILS WERE DATED, UH, AUGUST 2ND. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT TOO, LOOKING AT THIS, UH, PLAN HERE, UH, WE DO, THERE IS A TREE, UH, THAT IS, UH, PRETTY GOOD SIZE, UH, PECAN TREE, UH, LOOKING ON THE BACKSIDE, IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT THERE. 
          UH OH, YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          OH, THAT THE SIDE, THAT'S THE SIDE ON THE BACKSIDE ON THE BACK, YEAH. 
          ON THE SIDE PLAN. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          AND THEN ZOOM IN ON THE TOP AREA. 
          YEAH, LIKE, I'D SAY WHERE, WHERE, UH, THE COLUMN, THE SECOND COLUMN FROM THE LEFT, APPROXIMATELY, THERE IS A TREE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE CANNOT GO TOO FAR BACK, BECAUSE THEN WE'LL BE ENCROACHING TO THAT TREE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP IT ATTACHED. 
          UH, OTHERWISE WE GO DETACHED. 
          UH, THEN WE'RE HAVING TO GO PRETTY MUCH, I MEAN, THAT TREE IS, I MEAN, LITERALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, A FOOT OR SO AWAY FROM THAT PARTICULAR, UH, COLUMN. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER ITEMS THAT ON THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'D LIKE CLARIFICATION ON? UM, YEAH. 
          THE STAIRCASE, UH, Y'ALL HAD, UH, ALSO, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT IT NOT BE IN THE FRONT. 
          UH, AND SO WHEN YOU SAY TOWARDS THE BACK, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE BACK OF, UH, LET'S SAY, UH, UH, FROM HACKBERRY OR THE BACK? FROM CROCKETT OR BOTH , YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, UH, KIND OF WHO WE ARE. 
          'CAUSE YEAH, AS YOU CAN START RIGHT THERE, THAT'S IN THE FRONT THAT'S FACING HACKBERRY. 
          I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. 
          AND, UH, SO WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT Y'ALL ARE, UH, UH, REQUESTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR IT TO BE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. 
          UH, SO THIS IS THE SOD ELEVATION. 
          WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE COMPLETELY AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UM, SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD. 
          YOU WANNA I HAVE A QUESTION? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LOOKING AT THIS FLOOR PLAN AGAIN, SO, UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LET'S SAY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE, LET'S CALL IT CORRECT. 
          THE, THE REAR WHERE THE CURSOR IS, UH, OF THE, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          THE, WHERE THE CURSOR IS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. 
          OH, BACK IN THAT AREA? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING MAYBE BEHIND OR TO THE BACK OF THE PROPOSED SHED? NO, SORRY, AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THE BACK NOW? OKAY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN I GUESS WOULD BE, UM, G OOPS, YOU, AND IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE, IF YOU GOT A PHOTO OF THE REAR. 
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YEAH, THERE YOU GO. 
          NUMBER 16. 
          OKAY. 
          ON THE, THAT'S THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          THERE'S TWO DOORS, UH, USED. 
          THE HOUSE USED TO BE A DUPLEX, SO THERE'S TWO DOORS, UH, ONE FOR UNIT ONE, ONE FOR UNIT TWO, AND THEN WE HAVE A WINDOW, UH, RIGHT THERE WHERE THAT, UH, THAT, UH, WINDOW UNIT IS. 
          UH, SO WHEN THE STAFF IS NOT, UH, DOES NOT, UH, APPROVE OF THIS, OF WHAT OUR PLANS ARE, THAT IS TO TAKE OUT THAT WINDOW AND TO TAKE OUT ONE OF THOSE DOORS BECAUSE WE ARE PLANNING ON PUTTING IN A, A, UM, UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA WHERE WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE OUR, OUR NEW, UH, KITCHEN. 
          SO THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN LEAVE THOSE, THAT WINDOW AND ONE, AND THAT DOOR TO THE LEFT OF THE WINDOW, UH, ON THAT, IN THAT LOCATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO TAKE THOSE TWO OUT. 
          THE ADDITION, WELL, TO ME IT LOOKS, UM, LIKE POSSIBLY A SITE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE, UH, SEVERAL OF US WOULD COME OUT AND REVIEW THE HOUSE WITH YOU. 
          LOOK AT WHERE THE TREE IS, LOOK AT THE, THE, THE DOOR AND WINDOW YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE FOR THE, THE ADDITION AND DISCUSS, UH, LOCATION FOR, UH, THE POSSIBLE CARPORT AND, AND THE, AND THE, UH, STAIRS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE YES. 
          UH, WILLING TO MEET WITH US ON SITE? YEAH, THAT THAT'D BE FINE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THAT SPIRIT, I MOVE FOR A SITE. 
          D R C I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. 
          OH, YES. 
          UM, IS THERE A SITE PLAN I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A SITE PLAN THAT LOCATES THAT TREE AND GIVES US THE BOUNDARIES AND WHAT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE UP AGAINST AS FAR AS MOVING THIS STRUCTURE FURTHER TO THE EAST OFF OF THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          NO, I THINK THERE'S A, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A SITE PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THE TREE. 
          I, OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY STANDARD REQUIREMENT OF, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A COPY OF THEIR ORIGINAL, UH, SITE SURVEY BOUNDARIES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ABOUT THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN, OKAY. 
          AND WE, WE'LL HEAR NORTHERN AIR, WE'LL THAT ABOUT THE WE'LL VISIT, THE SITE VISIT WILL HELP TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS KIDDING. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND ZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND STAFF WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU AND, UM, SCHEDULE THAT FOR NEXT WEEK. 
          ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 19. 
          HELLO? OH, YOU DON'T WANT ME HERE, , WE JUST NEED TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD REAL QUICK. 
          ITEM 19 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 97 1 2 3 SHRINER PLACE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE FOUR EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS. 
          AND, UH, ITEM TWO IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DISREGARD THAT FOR THE MOMENT. 
          UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          B THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT MAINTAINS THE EXISTING WINDOWS. 
          AND I HAVE THE OWNER JUNE NORTON. 
          HI. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S WHERE TO BEGIN. 
          THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1945 AND DIDN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. 
          IT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO PROBABLY BY EVERY OWNER THAT'S, THAT'S BOUGHT IT DURING THAT. 
          SINCE THEN, IT, UH, ORIGINALLY HAD A SINGLE CAR GARAGE, WHICH IS NOW WHERE MY TV ROOM IS, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT THEY GOT RID OF THAT AND MADE IT INTO A TV ROOM. 
          THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEY HAD A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THAT WAS TURNED INTO A MASTER BEDROOM. 
          SO THE ALTERATIONS TO THIS HOUSE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PROBABLY DESIGNATE IT AS A HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          AND WE WENT TO THE HISTORIC MONTE VISTA HISTORIC 
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SOCIETY IN 19, IN, UH, 2010 AND 2011, BECAUSE WE WERE GONNA DO EXTENSIVE RENOVATION WORK ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IT WAS NE NECESSARY FOR MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THEY TOLD US AT THAT TIME THAT EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, OUR HOUSE WAS NOT HISTORIC. 
          AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED TO GIVE US OR GIVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT TIME. 
          YOU CAN GO BACK AND CHECK, BUT WE DID A LOT AT THAT TIME. 
          WE CHANGED THE WALKWAY IN THE FRONT, WE CHANGED THE ENTRANCEWAY TO THE WHOLE THING IN THE BACK. 
          WE REPLACED THE GARAGE DOORS. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WAS EXTENSIVE THINGS THAT WERE DONE EVERYWHERE. 
          WE BUILT NEW, UH, BATHROOMS. WE RENOVATED OLD BATHROOMS. SO THERE WAS A LOT DONE TO THE HOUSE AT THAT TIME. 
          ASIDE FROM THAT , I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO YOUR VERY HARDWORKING STAFF, UM, THAT IT SAYS UNDER POINT A THAT IT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE. 
          IT'S A SINGLE STORY HOUSE. 
          YOU MIGHT WANNA LOOK, YOU COULD PICK UP GOOGLE MAPS, PUT UP A PICTURE BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THE WINDOWS IN THE ONE BEDROOM THAT WE WANTED TO REPLACE. 
          THERE ARE TWO OF THEM ON THE FRONT. 
          THAT'S NOT IT. 
          NO, THAT'S MY COURT. 
          THAT'S THE COURTYARD. 
          SEE THE, THERE'S TWO COLUMNS UNDERNEATH THERE IN THAT VERY DARK SPACE. 
          THERE ARE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE ON ONE BEDROOM, AND THOSE WERE THE, THE TWO WE WANTED TO REPLACE. 
          NONE OF THE WINDOWS IN THAT ROOM WORK ON THE INSIDE. 
          THE, THE, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? THE FRAMING PART OF IT. 
          IT'S ROTTED OUT. 
          AND I HAD C P S ENERGY COME OUT TWICE AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE REPLACE THESE WINDOWS. 
          AND THAT WAS QUITE SOME TIME AGO. 
          AND I DIDN'T DO IT AT THE, YEAH, THOSE ARE THE WINDOWS. 
          SO I WENT TO HOME DEPOT BECAUSE I GOT A PRICE FROM, UH, ANDERSON WINDOWS, WHICH WAS SO PROHIBITIVE. 
          I'M 76 ON A FIXED INCOME. 
          AND I KIND OF WENT, ARE YOU KIDDING? I DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA WINDOWS WOULD, WOULD COST THAT MUCH TO BE REPLACED. 
          AND THEN I WENT TO HOME DEPOT AND I SAID, IF WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THESE WINDOWS, THEY HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THE WINDOWS THERE. 
          I LOVE MY HOUSE. 
          I HAVE THE SAME GOALS THAT YOU ALL HAVE. 
          I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT ODD LOOKING ON ANY LEVEL. 
          AND MY HUSBAND RUNS AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR A VERY HISTORIC PROPERTY IN THE EAST COAST. 
          AND I SAID, IS IT OKAY? HE SAID, WE ALLOW VINYL WINDOWS WHEN THEY'RE NOT THAT VISIBLE, BUT THEY, OTHERWISE THEY REQUIRE WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AND SO HE SAID HE DIDN'T SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT THIS SHOULD BE REALLY A MUCH OF AN ISSUE. 
          HOWEVER, UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE THESE LOVELY ALUMINUM SCREENS THAT ARE NOT HISTORIC ON ANY LEVEL. 
          AND THE ONES THAT WE WOULD GET WOULD BE BETTER LOOKING THAN WHAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I WENT TO THE HOME DEPOT AND I HAD THIS GUY COME OUT THREE TIMES AND SAID, WILL THIS LOOK AT LEAST AT LIKE THIS OR BETTER BECAUSE, AND WE WOULD PAINT THEM TO MATCH THE PAINT TRIM THAT WE HAVE EVERY PLACE ELSE IN THE HOUSE. 
          SO THESE WERE THE WINDOWS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED AT THE TIME. 
          TWO, THERE ARE ONLY TWO OF THEM THAT ARE VISIBLE. 
          THE OTHER TWO IN THAT ROOM ARE FACING IN THAT COURTYARD. 
          WE HAVE A FIVE FOOT WALL THAT GOES AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          YOU CAN'T SEE THOSE WINDOWS AT ALL. 
          AND THE OTHER SET OF WINDOWS IS IN THE BACK. 
          AND WE PUT THE SCREEN PORCHES IN AND THEY TOLD US WE DIDN'T GET, HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FOR ANY OF THAT EITHER, BY THE WAY. 
          SO, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE WE HAVE A SCREEN PORCH OFF THE KITCHEN WITH TWO DOUBLE DOORS. 
          IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A SEAL ON THOSE WOOD DOORS. 
          THEY ARE NOT DOORS THAT YOU COULD RESTORE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          SO I WANT, ALL I REALLY CARE ABOUT IS THAT I GET A SEAL, MY ELECTRIC BILL IS OVER $800 A MONTH. 
          SO I EITHER HAVE TO PUT UP SOLAR PANELS, WHICH I WOULD THINK WOULD BE VERY UNATTRACTIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, OR I HAVE TO FIX EVERY POSSIBLE WAY TO CONSERVE ON ENERGY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I'M DOING THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS TWO DAYS AGO BECAUSE THERE WAS A SIGN PUT IN MY FRONT YARD. 
          AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF YOU ALL, THAT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE DEALING WITH THE HOME DEPOT REPRESENTATIVE. 
          AND HE DIDN'T MENTION THIS TO ME TILL TWO DAYS AGO. 
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SO ANY RATE, SO I GO DOWN, EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD TAKE OUT OF THE HOUSE, I WOULD GIVE TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. 
          I ALWAYS RECYCLE EVERYTHING. 
          SO WHATEVER'S THERE WOULD BE RECYCLED. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WERE DOWN THERE ABOUT WASTE AND THE REPLACEMENT AT 76, IF I HAVE 10 YEARS LEFT, I'LL BE SURPRISED AND SOMEBODY ELSE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT IF THAT'S A REPLACEMENT ISSUE. 
          BUT I'M TRYING TO GET THE BEST QUALITY WINDOWS THAT I CAN FOR THE MOST REASONABLE PRICE. 
          IT COST OVER TWO TIMES MORE, QUITE A BIT OVER TWO TIMES MORE TO USE AN ANDERSON WINDOW, WHICH IS A COMPOSITE WOOD WINDOW ANYWAY, WHICH I DID USE IN MY DINING ROOM ON THE BACKSIDE, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THEM. 
          UM, AND I, THEY WOULD MATCH WHAT I'M PLANNING TO PUT IN. 
          THAT'S THE FRONT SIDE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO GO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE, DID YOU TAKE PHOTOS OF YOUR DINING ROOM? I DIDN'T. 
          SO ONLY, ONLY ITEMS IN THE, OKAY. 
          SO, BUT THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE JUST ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. 
          THERE'S NO BIG DEAL. 
          YOU KNOW, NOTHING IN THIS HOUSE INHERENTLY. 
          I MEAN, THE HOUSE IS VERY ATTRACTIVE NOW, BUT IT'S NOT HISTORIC ON ANY LEVEL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DEAL WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THE LAST, PROBABLY THE LAST BIG RENOVATION OF THIS PROPERTY WAS 2005. 
          UM, AND THEN WE CAME IN AND THAT DOOR THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE ON THE FRONT, WE, WE PUT HIS HISTORIC, UH, LAMP FIXTURES FROM THAT WONDERFUL MAN, CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME. 
          YOU PROBABLY KNOW HIM. 
          HE'S QUITE HISTORIC. 
          HE'S PASSED AWAY SINCE ISAAC MAXWELL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE TRIED EVERYWHERE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WOULD MAKE IT AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO THE ROOF IS NOT ORIGINAL. 
          UH, IT ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I SHOULD EVEN MENTION THIS, IT GOES OVER PART OF THE OLD ROOF. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING TO FIND OUT, BUT IT IS A SINGLE STORY HOUSE. 
          SO IS THAT ENOUGH DETAIL? YES, FROM MY SIDE. 
          , THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU TAKE THIS AMAZING AMOUNT OF TIME TO LOOK AT ALL THESE DETAILS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING THINGS ALONG AND POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT, UH, AMENDMENTS, I, I MOVE THAT THE PROJECT BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND , MR. CHAIR? I KNOW THAT WE GO TO DISCUSSION. 
          SO IN THE INTEREST OF DISCUSSION, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? I I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          SO MY THINKING IS STAFF HAS, HAS THIS, RIGHT, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SUGGEST THAT THE WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRED IF THE WINDOWS HAVE WROUGHT BEYOND REPAIR. 
          THE REPLACEMENT IN KIND IS A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME HERE AT ALL. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF HOW MANY OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS OF THE HOUSE REMAIN, UH, IT APPEARS TO ME, MY UNDERSTANDING IS AT LEAST THESE FOUR ARE REMAINING. 
          SO THIS IS WHY I I I I'M NOT SO EAGER, I'M WALK BACK OFF THE GUIDELINES. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, SOME OF THE COMPLEXITY OF YOUR ASK, AND I WANNA OFFER MAYBE AN ALTERNATIVE. 
          IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEEPLY RECESSED FROM THE EXTERIOR WALL. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING HIT BY RAIN AND WEATHER, WHICH SHOULD KEEP THE WOOD AND RELATIVELY GOOD SHAPE. 
          ONE POSSIBLE ALTERNATE THAT WE OFTEN RECOMMEND ON THIS BOARD WHERE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS IS, UH, AN INTERIOR, UH, STORM INSERT, WHICH DEALS WITH THE ENERGY PROBLEM, THE DRAFTS PRO, THE DRAFT PROBLEMS, UH, WITH, WITHOUT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, RECONSTRUCTING SIGNIFICANT PARTS OF THE WINDOW. 
          THERE ARE, ARE SOME ALTERNATES THERE. 
          AND I'M SURE STAFF HAS GIVEN YOU SOME OF THE ENERGY, ENERGY SAVING, UH, PACKETS THAT WE HAVE THAT CAN RELATE TO SORT PRESERVATION. 
          IF THEY HAVEN'T, I'D ASK THAT THEY PROVIDE THAT, THAT MINI PACKET, UH, TO YOU. 
          WELL, THEY'RE NON-FUNCTIONING WINDOWS AND I THINK THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO BEING RESTORED. 
          I WOULD NEVER RESTORE A WINDOW THAT IS IN THE SHAPE THAT ANY OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE IN. 
          UM, SO ESPECIALLY, AND THEN THEY'RE HIGHLY NON, NON-FUNCTIONING. 
          SO WE CAN NEVER CAN EVEN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OPENING THEM WHEN THE WEATHER IS DECENT. 
          SO IS THERE SOMETHING THAT 
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YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME IF IT IS A HIGH QUALITY VINYL WINDOW, AND THIS IS NOT A HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          WHY I HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO THAT IN KIND. 
          SO THIS HOUSE IS, IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          I MEAN THE, I DON'T, I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT DISCUSSION WAS HAD, WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT. 
          EVERY HOUSE IN THE DISTRICT IS, UH, REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES. 
          AND THEN OUTSIDE OF A DISTRICT, IF IT'S INDIVIDUALLY LANDMARKED, HISTORIC, ALSO THE SAME GUIDELINES. 
          SO THE RULES ARE, ARE THE SAME INSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF ANY DISTRICT IN THE CITY. 
          IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE THIS IS CONTRIBUTING, THIS IS NOT A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. 
          WE WERE TOLD IT WASN'T, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          STAFF CAN ADD SOME CLARIFICATION THERE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU SPOKE TO THE MONTE VISTA GROUP. 
          UM, SO THEY ARE NOT PART OF OUR OFFICE, UM, UH, FINDINGS OF CONTRIBUTING STATUS ARE MADE BY OUR OFFICE AND NOT BY THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THAT CLARIFIES THAT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF WHERE THEY'RE VISIBLE IN THE FRONT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART THAT I REPLACE THOSE TWO WINDOWS AND YEAH. 
          AND LET, LET ME CONTINUE A LITTLE BIT JUST TO UNPACK THIS. 
          THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING HERE. 
          ONE, ONE QUESTION IS AS IS FOR US IN TERMS OF THE GUIDELINES IS, IS IS IT APPROPRIATE TO DEMOLISH AND REMOVE HISTORIC MATERIAL FOR ANY REASON? IF IT'S BEYOND REPAIR, THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE REPLACED, THEN THE REPLACEMENT IS IN KIND. 
          SO I JUST DON'T WANNA CONFLATE THE TWO THINGS. 
          SO THERE'S NUMBER ONE, THERE'S REPLACEMENT, AND THEN NUMBER TWO, THERE'S WHAT YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH. 
          WE CAN'T GET TO REPLACING IT IF IT'S NOT BEYOND REPAIR. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M, I'M SPEAKING TO THAT FIRST PART MORE THAN THE SECOND PART, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          ALTHOUGH I DID GET A RECOMMENDATION FROM C P S ENERGY THAT THE SINGLE PANE GLASS WINDOWS ARE NOT VERY EFFICIENT. 
          I ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP THE DOOR TO THAT BEDROOM CLOSED SO THAT IT DOESN'T DRAW, DOESN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE AIR CONDITIONING OR HEATING OF THE HOUSE, EXCEPT WHEN SOMEONE HAPPENS TO BE STAYING IN THAT ROOM. 
          UM, AND WE DON'T USE THAT ROOM VERY MUCH BECAUSE OF THE LOW ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF THE ROOM. 
          SO MY CONCERN IS THAT IT BE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M PRESENTING HERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. 
          I HEAR YOU. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, AND I KNOW MY TIME IS UP, SO MAYBE SOME OTHER COMMENTS CAN ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR SECOND PART OF THAT ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MR. CHAIR? UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION, NOT A, NOT A DISCUSSION. 
          THIS IS A QUESTION IF I COULD. 
          YES. 
          AM AM I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE WINDOWS DON'T FUNCTION AND SO THEY CANNOT BE USED AS AN EMERGENCY EGRESS IF THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THEY WON'T OPEN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, MS. NORTON, UM, THE, THE WINDOW WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THIS IS ON A BEDROOM WINDOW. 
          IT'S A BEDROOM WINDOW. 
          ABOUT HOW BIG IS IT? IT'S KIND BIG. 
          UM, NOT GOOD WITH A SIZE, LET'S SEE, IT MUST BE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TWO FEET WIDE BY, YOU KNOW, 24 TO 36 INCHES SOMETHING. 
          IT'S A PRETTY BIG SIZE WINDOW. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT TO THE, TO THE, OH, OH, I WOULD HAVE IT MAYBE HERE. 
          THEY SENT ME, THEY JUST SENT ME TODAY THESE SPECIFICATIONS ON THIS WINDOW, WHICH LOOKS IDENTICAL. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY THEY'RE NON-FUNCTIONING, IS IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WEIGHTED, THE THE WEIGHTS AREN'T CONNECTED? I DON'T SHUT, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT OLD STYLE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, PULL CORDS, BUT YEAH, THEY DON'T, OH, WELL ONE OF THEM WORKS A LITTLE BIT. 
          THIS ONE WORKS A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU CAN GET A FEW INCHES ON THAT ONE. 
          THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T WORK AT ALL. 
          SEE, THE, THE, THE IDEAL THING ABOUT THESE WOODEN WINDOWS IS THAT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEM, PRETTY MUCH YOU CAN REPLACE PART OF IT. 
          ONE COMPONENT OF IT, WHETHER IT'S A BOTTOM, A BOTTOM RAIL OR THE ROPES OR THE WEIGHTS. 
          UM, AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF THERMAL, UM, PERFORMANCE CAN BE GAINED THROUGH METAL SPRING CLIPS, UH, WHICH IS SOMETHING STAFF MAY, UM, WANNA MENTION TO YOU. 
          UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE BACK DOORS ALSO. 
          AND, UM, I GUESS I WOULD REALLY WANT THESE, THESE, I, THEY SENT ME A MESSAGE SAYING THAT THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN OKAYED. 
          OH, IT HAS BEEN. 
          THE DOORS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T READ NUMBER TWO INTO THE RECORD. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY, FINE. 
          SO THOSE ARE VINYL NOW. 
          SO IT'S THE WINDOWS, THOSE WILL BE FINAL. 
          YEAH, AND ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, THE, THESE PARTICULAR WINDOWS, IF RESTORED OR JUST REPAIRED, SIMPLY REPAIRED, UM, AND YOU CAN REPLACE IT WITH A SLIGHTLY THICKER GLASS, WHICH WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER THERMAL PERFORMANCE. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE I IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE MY WINDOWS UNCOVERED FOR HOWEVER MUCH TIME IT WOULD TAKE. 
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SO ALL, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REPAIR METHODS OUT THERE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A MATCH IN VINYL OR A FIBERGLASS PRODUCT. 
          WELL, ANDERSON HAS A PRETTY GOOD WINDOW THAT WE'VE U WE USED ON THE DINING ROOM, AND IT'S THE SAME STRUCTURE AS THAT WINDOW. 
          IT LOOKS IDENTICAL. 
          IT ACTUALLY HAD LOOKS BETTER, A LOT BETTER. 
          THAT ALUMINUM SCREEN IS NOT ORIGINAL. 
          TRUE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING ORIGINAL ABOUT THAT. 
          HAVE YOU HAD, UM, A WINDOW REPAIR, UH, SPECIALIST OR, UM, SOMEBODY WHO DEALS IN HISTORIC WIND WINDOWS COME TAKE A LOOK AT 'EM? WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION. 
          YOU MAY FIND IT. 
          I BOUGHT, I BOUGHT THE WINDOWS LAST DECEMBER, AND SO THEY'VE BEEN SITTING FOR TWO MONTHS. 
          OH, SO YOU'VE ALREADY MADE THE PURCHASE. 
          I'VE ALREADY, YES. 
          IT TOOK SIX MONTHS TO GET THEM AND I, SO THEY'RE SITTING THERE UNINSTALLED. 
          I SEE. 
          AND, UH, IF I, I, MY COMPROMISE SUGGESTION WAS IS THAT WE TAKE THESE TWO FRONT WINDOWS AND THAT I USE THE ANDERSON 400 WINDOWS, WHICH ARE COMPOSITE WOOD, BUT THEY LOOK IDENTICAL TO ALL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE USED IN MANY OTHER PLACES IN THE HOUSE. 
          THERE'S MANY TYPES OF WINDOWS IN THIS HOUSE, BY THE WAY. 
          THERE. 
          THERE'S NO ONE STYLE, EVEN ONE KIND OF WINDOW. 
          BUT, UH, SO OBVIOUSLY SOME HAVE BEEN REPLACED ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, AND THAT WE PUT THOSE ON THE TWO FRONTS. 
          AND I'M WILLING, YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S NOT GONNA COST ME TWICE AS MUCH. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA COST ME FOR THOSE TWO WINDOWS AND THEN THE REST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UM, MR. CHAIR, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD, SHOULD BE KIND OF DEALT WITH. 
          UM, PARTICULARLY YOU, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT IS YOU, YOU KNOW, IF A DOOR IS GONNA GO FROM BEING WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD THINK IS CORNERSTONE OF WHAT WE ARGUE WITH EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT. 
          HOW DOES STAFF GET THE POWER TO ALLOW IT TO BE A VINYL DOOR? YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S AS IF SOMETHING THAT WOULD CHANGE MATERIALITY WOULD, WOULD CONSTITUTE WHAT WOULD COME TO, TO, TO THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE AN IN, LIKE A, LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS IN KIND OR SOMETHING THAT IS ONE FOR ONE THAT, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT WOULD DEFINE STAFF EMPOWERMENT AND THE CHANGE OF MATERIALITY OR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE A HARD TIME ABOUT. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT DOESN'T END APPEAR. 
          AND THEN, AND ON THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW SITUATION, UH, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY MORE IN LINE WITH A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH THE APPLICANT TO TELL THE APPLICANT THAT YOUR WINDOWS ARE THERE AND, AND THEY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO BEING, UH, UH, EITHER RESTORED AS THEY ARE, UH, IN THEIR ORIGINAL OR IN A 1 4 1, THAT IF THEY'RE WOOD, THEY HAVE TO BE WOOD. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE HOUSES WHERE WE'RE GETTING TO LIKE SOME OF THESE HOUSES WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE ALL ROTTED. 
          AND YOU GET IN THERE, YOU SEE THAT THEY'RE ALL MESSED UP. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS, THE HOUSE AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? NOT, NOT JUST A LITTLE WINDOW, BUT THE HOUSE AS A WHOLE SEEMS TO BE OF THE INTEGRITY OF A HOUSE THAT IS AT SOME STANDARD AND SOME STANDARD OF VALUE. 
          SO I, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH, UM, JUST KIND OF BEING DIRECT THAT, THAT, THAT IT'S NOT OF THE KIND OF OF, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ONE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A VINYL WINDOW, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT THE, YOU KNOW, THE DECISIONS THAT TYPICALLY ARE MADE FOR A HOUSE LIKE THIS OVER MY GARAGE. 
          I HAVE A STUDIO, UH, AN ART STUDIO. 
          ALL OF THE WINDOWS ARE VINYL THERE. 
          WELL, NO, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, BUT WHAT DOES THAT, SO IF THE HOUSE IS, WHEN YOU SAY IN KIND, IS IT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND AND YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THESE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THERE IS ALL KINDS OF WINDOWS IN THIS PROPERTY, AND THERE, WHAT THERE IS ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS A CONSISTENCY OF LOOK. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH AND THAT WE KEEP IT A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTEGRITY, BUT WE CAN'T ARGUE IN KIND, IN MY MIND, MAYBE I'M COMPLETELY WRONG BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT STYLES THAT ALREADY EXIST ON THIS PROPERTY, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT WHAT DEFINES THE, THE APPROPRIATE WINDOW IS BASED ON WHAT IS ORIGINAL IN THIS HOUSE. 
          AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST TO, TO KIND OF ECHO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THE ANDERSON WINDOW AND THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL IS A VERY APPROPRIATE SOLUTION, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION ON, ON, ON THE RECLAMATION OF MATERIALS. 
          THAT'S 
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ALL BASED ON THE EFFECTS THAT HAPPEN IN THE ENVIRONMENT WHEN WE'RE NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, UH, WISE AND CLEARLY HAVING, UH, WINDOWS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THE NEW ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS THAT PUT IN THESE OLD HOUSES, THAT SOMEHOW WE HAVE A CLASH OF, OF ETHICS HERE WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, WHAT, WHOSE PLANET ARE WE TRYING TO SAVE, RIGHT? IS, YOU KNOW, THE THE ONE ON THIS SIDE OR THE ONE ON THAT SIDE. 
          SO I, I MEAN I I I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE WITH YOU, JUST THAT THE PRECEDENT TYPICALLY IS THAT WE TELL THE APPLICANT THAT, WELL, IF I HAVE TO, I, YOU KNOW, I CAN PUT ANDERSON'S, WHICH IS WHAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IN THIS HOUSE. 
          I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THESE ARE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. 
          THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1945. 
          THERE'S NO RECORD OF WHAT WAS IN THIS HOUSE. 
          IT DIDN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE NOW IT WAS A MUCH SMALLER HOUSE, PROBABLY LIKE THE HOUSE THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO ME. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN COMPLETELY RECONFIGURED. 
          ALL THE ROOF LINES ARE DIFFERENT. 
          EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS HOUSE IS DIFFERENT. 
          SO I, I CAN'T ARGUE OR SUPPORT NECESSARILY THE IDEA THAT THESE EVEN ARE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. 
          AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT. 
          I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REASONABLE ABOUT IT AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE HAVE BEEN VERY REASONABLE. 
          BUT I JUST, THE, THESE ARE, I WOULD BE HAPPY IF, IF I ONLY HAD TO REPLACE THOSE FOUR WINDOWS THAN WITH THE ANDERSONS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MORE EXPENSE THAN I WANT REALLY WANNA UNDERTAKE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD OTHER THAN TO, UM, TO AGREE WITH, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER FISH SAID EARLIER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE WINDOWS APPEAR TO ME TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR REHABILITATION. 
          AND INSTEAD OF TALKING TO C P SS GUYS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ENERGY OR TALKING ABOUT TO VINYL PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO SELL YOU VINYL WINDOWS, YOU NEED TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS AT REHABILITATING WOOD WINDOWS. 
          YEAH, I, I LET, LET ME FINISH, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, WE'VE LISTENED, WE'VE HEARD, WE KNOW YOUR POSITION. 
          WE'VE GONE ON ON THIS CASE QUITE A LONG TIME NOW, , SO I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT WE DO NEED TO EXPEDITE OUR PROCESS HERE QUITE A BIT. 
          AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THESE WINDOWS ARE, UM, REQUIRING REPLACEMENT YET. 
          I THINK THEY CAN BE REHABILITATED. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, I DID MAKE THE OFFER, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT I REPLACE ALL FOUR OF THOSE WINDOWS WITH THE ANDERSON WINDOWS, WHICH YES, COMMISSIONER GRUBB. 
          MA'AM, I THINK YOU NEED TO LET US SPEAK FIRST AND THEN I THINK WE'VE ALL HEARD YOUR CASE. 
          AND, AND THIS IS, I MEAN, IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. 
          IT IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL TOO, IN THIS COMMISSION WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT AND ARE CONSISTENT IS IF THE WINDOWS ARE BEYOND REPAIR, WE'LL BE OPEN TO A REPLACEMENT IN KIND, WHICH WOULD BE THE ANDERSONS. 
          SO UNTIL WE DON'T HAVE THAT ASSESSMENT, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW YOUR REQUEST, WHICH IS UH, AT THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS TO REPLACE WITH FOUR VINYL. 
          I WILL SUPPORT THAT. 
          HOLD ON, MA'AM. 
          I WILL SUPPORT THAT ALSO, THAT COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE COMMISSION WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THAT. 
          WE CAN VOTE ON THAT, MA'AM. 
          AND YOU CAN COME BACK OR YOU CAN ASK STAFF TO HAVE A SITE VISIT TO LOOK AT YOUR WINDOWS IN MORE DETAIL. 
          BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE MOTION, THIS IS THE REQUEST, AND I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST WE TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. 
          WELL, GIVEN THAT I ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS TWO DAYS AGO, I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT IF YOU COULD MAKE AN AMENDMENT, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN DOING ALL DAY, THAT THESE, THAT WE CONSIDER DOING THE ANDERSON WINDOWS, WHICH ARE HIGHLY ENERGY EFFICIENT, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AN AMENDMENT UNTIL WE DON'T KNOW IF THESE WINDOWS ARE BEYOND REPAIR. 
          AND RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT AN ASSESSMENT THAT I THINK WE CAN TAKE RIGHT HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WAS THE SITE VISIT MADE TO LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THESE WINDOWS? NO STAFF THAT THE APP, THE ACTUAL APPLICANT WHO IS NOT THE HOMEOWNER THAT'S HERE NOW HAS BEEN RELATIVELY UNRESPONSIVE TO STAFF. 
          UH, SO STAFF HAD BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE ACTUAL APPLICANT, WHO MORE OR LESS TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, DIDN'T TOUCH BASE WITH STAFF UNTIL LAST WEEK, UH, LAST THURSDAY, I BELIEVE, REGARDING THIS REQUEST. 
          SO STAFF HAD ASKED MULTIPLE TIMES, UH, TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE A SITE VISIT ON TO THE PROPERTY AND, AND THAT WASN'T ARRANGED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M SORRY THAT THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER FISH, WILL YOU, YOU MADE THE MOTION? NO. 
          WHO MADE THE MOTION? YES YOU DID. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          OH NO, SORRY. 
          HE DID, I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, NO, SORRY. 
          I HAD KNEE SURGERY. 
          FILE A CALL FOR A ROLL CALL ON THAT AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT VOTE GOES. 
          GIBBS NAY 
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TO CONFIRM THAT WAS A NAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          PERFECT. 
          UH, FISH NAY, SAVINA, NAY VELAZQUEZ. 
          I'M GONNA PASS. 
          WHAT DO THEY CARPENTER NAY GROUP ANTE. 
          YES. 
          AND ZER NAY MOTION FAILS AND THEN IT COMES BACK, RIGHT? COMES BACK TO VELASQUEZ. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUE IS YOUR VOTE? UH, UH YES. 
          A MOTION FAILS. 
          MAY I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? MR. MOTION CHAIRMAN TO DENY FOR COMMISSIONER GRUBE? MOTION TO DENY. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE JUST ONE COMMENT TO ADD. 
          UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE APPLICANT CHANGES TO THE HOMEOWNER OR THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THIS COMMISSION TO HEAR THIS AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT CAN COME IN AS A NEW APPLICATION OR IT CAN GO TO, UH, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS TO BE APPEALED. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT OUT THERE, BUT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TO DENY AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, YOU HAD COMMENTS? YES, SIR. 
          I, I THINK THAT THE, THAT THE PROJECT OFFICER IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. 
          IF, IF, UM, UH, IF, IF THE PROJECT IS, IF THE APPLICANT ASKS FOR A D R C AND, AND I KNOW THAT, UH, STAFF HAS TRIED, BUT, BUT IF THE, IF THE APPLICANT ASKS FOR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE TO GO AND VISIT THOSE WINDOWS, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE SUCH THAT THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL, UH, NOT, NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION, BUT THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL, THAT I THINK IT DOES OFFER US A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, MR. CHAIR, TO, UH, UH, TO, TO, UH, ENABLE, UM, THE USE OF, UH, A, A, A WINDOW, A QUALITY WINDOW PROFILE CORRECT WINDOW THAT IS MADE OF A COMPOSITE MATERIAL. 
          BECAUSE IF, IF THESE WINDOWS ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL AND NOTHING IN THAT HOUSE IS ORIGINAL AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN CLEARLY BE CHANGED THAT, UH, THAT MIGHT GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPERIMENT WITH THE APPROPRIATENESS, THE VISUAL APPROPRIATENESS OF THESE PRODUCTS THAT ARE COMING OUT, THAT ARE USING MATERIALS THAT ARE RECLAIMED, THAT ARE, THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE SAME SPIRIT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENT LIKE THE PRESENTATION WE HAD EARLIER AND THE ARGUMENT THAT THE LADY IS MAKING WITH RESPECT TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY THAT SURELY SOMEWHERE THESE WORLDS CONVERGE. 
          AND I'M SURE THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF OUR OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY A LEAD ROLE IN HOW WE MOBILIZE EFFICIENCY AND ARCHITECTURAL APPROPRIATENESS. 
          OKAY, SIR, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I MEAN, BASED ON WHAT COMMISSIONER VELASCO SAID, UM, AND I THINK, UH, AND AND I WITH COMMISSIONER FISHES, IT'S A DENIAL. 
          THE REQUEST AS IS TODAY, THOSE WINDOWS ARE, THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND PROCESS AND, AND I'M SURE STAFF CAN WORK WITH US IF THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT ORIGINAL. 
          WELL, I THINK BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO, YOU KNOW, CLAIM THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT LEAVES STILL SOME OPTIONS TO THE APPLICANT. 
          SO THE MOTION STANDS AS IS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK CHAIRMAN. 
          JUST A QUICK, UH, YES SIR, COMMENT ON THAT. 
          UH, IF THEY, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL, UM, AND THIS GOES TO THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ADDED AT VARIOUS TIMES THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE, YOU CAN ALWAYS REPLACE THEM WITH AN APPROPRIATE WINDOW. 
          RIGHT? UM, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE RESTRICTION HERE. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THAT WINDOW RIGHT THERE, THAT NARROW MUL, UH, MUTTON VAN OR MUTTON BAR AND THAT THE, UH, THE HARDWARE OF THAT, UH, CUPPED HANDLE THERE, THAT SCREAMS 1940S TO ME. 
          AND SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHY I'D BE RESISTIVE TO HAVE THOSE REPLACED WITHOUT THEIR CONDITION BEING ASSESSED BY SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME CAPACITY TO LOOK AT THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          I PASS AGAIN. 
          UM, CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? NO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? UH, NO. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO STAFF, I'M SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO, 
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UH, DIRECT YOU ON WHAT, UH, FURTHER OPTIONS THERE ARE. 
          I DO THINK IT WAS A GREAT POINT THAT THAT MADE, YOU KNOW THAT AS THEY GET MORE ENERGY, ENERGY EFFICIENT, WE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THOSE THINGS FOR THE FUTURE, OBVIOUSLY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 20. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 23 1 15 CEDAR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN IRON FENCE AND VEHICLE GATE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO MEET THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE NEW FENCING BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE FENCE IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE TO NOT OBSTRUCT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE BE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE, JUST BEHIND THE STUCCO WING WALL TO THE EAST FACADE, UH, TO THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION. 
          HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE STANDARD FENCE COMMENTS THAT WE GIVE. 
          AND THEN THREE, THAT THE FENCING BE PERMITTED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE U D C SECTION 35 504. 
          ALSO, UH, ONE OF OUR STANDARD FENCING COMMENTS, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US VIRTUALLY, UH, MR. SINO, ARE YOU THERE? I MIGHT NEED TO MUTE. 
          THERE YOU ARE. 
          ARE YOU THERE MR. SIO? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          UM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE UNMUTED. 
          YOU. 
          IF YOU'RE ON YOUR PHONE, YOU MIGHT NEED TO HIT STAR SIX. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE UNMUTED. 
          I DON'T HEAR YOU YET. 
          HELLO? YES. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, WAS, UH, I HAD HEADPHONES ON AND THEY WEREN'T WORKING. 
          UM, UH, I'M HERE. 
          THANKS FOR HAVING ME. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT, UH, CONFUSION THERE. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD JUST, UH, SO THE, I GUESS WHAT I'M, WHAT MY ARGUMENT IS HERE IS THAT, THAT THE O H P RECOMMENDS THAT I PUT THIS BEHIND THE STUCCO WALL. 
          SO THE CASE, WHICH IS IF YOU GO SCROLL DOWN, THERE'S ACTUALLY SCARRING ON THAT STUCCO WALL SHOWING THAT THERE WAS A GATE THERE ONCE. 
          AND BY LOOKING AT THE IRON WORK THAT'S ALREADY THERE, IT WOULD JUST BE PRETTY, IT'S, TO ME IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT IT'S, UH, IT WAS AN IRON GATE. 
          SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT I MOVE IT BEHIND THE STUCCO WALL. 
          SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR INCHES. 
          SO I DON'T SEE WHY, WHY IT COULDN'T BE WHERE IT IS. 
          THE, THE, THE KEYWORD THEY'RE USING IS, UH, WAS THE VISUAL PROMINENCE IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE HOUSE. 
          BUT AT THAT SAME POINT, IF I MOVE IT BACK FOUR INCHES, I COULD STILL, I COULD BUILD A SIX FOOT PIPE FENCE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT CONTRADICTORY TO, UH, TO THAT. 
          SO ALL I'M ASKING IS TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE IRON GATE WHERE, WHERE I WANT, WHERE IT WAS MOST LIKELY AT WHEN IT WAS BUILT. 
          IF YOU, THIS ISN'T THE ONE I SUBMITTED, I THOUGHT THERE SHOULD BE A, A SHOWING SOME SCARRING ON THE STUCCO WALL THAT AT THE BOTTOM. 
          OKAY. 
          BOTTOM RIGHT. 
          YOU COULD KIND OF SEE I POINT, I, UH, I POINTED TO THE HOLES AND THEN YOU COULD SEE THE WALL THAT LIKE THERE WAS AN IRON GATE THERE ONCE. 
          SO WE'RE HERE JUST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR INCHES, SO I PREFER TO PUT THE FENCE WHERE I'D LIKE, UH, WHERE IT SHOULD GO. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          HOW WIDE IS EACH? UH, GATE EIGHT. 
          THERE'LL BE EIGHT FEET. 
          AND THEN SO THEY'LL OPEN OUT AND NOT TO, TO NOT GO OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          THEY, THEY WILL NOT GO OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          NO, SIR. 
          SO THESE ARE FOUR FOOT, UH, LEAVES. 
          SO AN EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FOOT OPENING, EIGHT, EACH ONE WILL BE EIGHT FEET. 
          EACH ONE WILL BE EIGHT FEET. 
          YES, SIR. 
          BECAUSE BASED ON THE SIDE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ONLY FIVE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND THEN THERE'S NOT A DIMENSION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE SIDEWALK. 
          YOU COULD KIND OF, SO, SO THE SIDEWALK LANDS PROBABLY THAT TWO FEET PAST THE PROPERTY LINE, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE. 
          SO IT, IT, IT WON'T, UH, AND IT'S NOT 80 FOOT EXACTLY. 
          SO IT'S LIKE SEVEN AND THREE QUARTER FEET, BUT 
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IT DOESN'T GO OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO I HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          JUST BEFORE WE START DISCUSSION, THERE ARE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'LL PLAY A VOICEMAIL FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. 
          MY NAME IS LISA LIND. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 1 5 CEDAR STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 3. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONCUR THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, THAT THE FENCE BE NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET AS OPPOSED TO THE SIX FEET IN THE STAFF. 
          STIPULATIONS NUMBER TWO, THAT THE GATES BE SET BACK BEYOND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE SO THAT THE EIGHT FOOT WIDE GATES DO NOT ENCROACH OVER THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK WHEN IN OPEN POSITIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THAT KIND OF GOES INTO WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT I DON'T WANNA BUILD A SIX FOOT FENCE, BUT AS WE COULD SEE, JUST MOVING AT FOUR INCHES GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A SIX FOOT FENCE, WHICH KIND OF CONTRADICTS THE IDEA OF PUTTING IT RIGHT ON THE STUCCO WALL, THAT THAT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM THE VISUAL, UH, UH, PARTS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          SO, MR. SENYA, MY QUESTION IS IN, WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE TWO GATES, WHAT, HOW IS IT TIED IN? I SEE THAT YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE THE FENCE NEXT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR. 
          HOW, HOW DOES THAT END? OR WHAT DOES IT TIE INTO? WE'RE GONNA TURN, YOU COULD PROBABLY GO TO THE TOP, THE FIRST PAGE AT THE TOP. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA TURN THE CORNER. 
          SO NOT NOT ALL THAT DRIVEWAY'S MINE. 
          SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TAKE IT TO MY PROPERTY LINE AND THEN GO, UH, PUT, PUT FENCING GOING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          PARALLEL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN CAN YOU, UH, STAFF, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE FIVE? I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO. 
          THURSDAY. 
          DOES IT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR DO YOU JUST STOP IT ABRUPTLY RIGHT THERE? THAT SHOULD PROBABLY, I'M GONNA STOP IT THERE. 
          AND THEN, UH, MY, MY NEIGHBOR HAS A, A GATE THAT'S ORIGINAL TO HERS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT A LITTLE GATE RIGHT THERE TIED INTO HER HOUSE. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          COULD STAFF PULL UP A GOOGLE VIEW SO WE CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING NEXT DOOR? YES, MR. CHAIR, ARE WE GOING INTO ANY ORDER? I'M SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET. 
          ARE WE GOING IN ORDER OR ARE YOU JUST TAKING QUESTIONS? WE'RE TAKING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FROM ANY COMMISSIONER. 
          WELL, I, I JUST KIND OF LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING, UM, LOCATION BECAUSE DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION? UM, A COMMENT. 
          THEN LET'S WAIT FOR THE MOTION AND DISCUSSION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          SO DO I HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT, BUT THIS IS TO THE APPLICANT OR STAFF. 
          DO WE KNOW THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE THE PROPOSED HINGE ON THE GATE IS AND THE SIDEWALK? DO WE KNOW THAT DISTANCE, UH, PER, PER THE SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, AND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE OR THE STUCCO WALL. 
          UM, DON'T KNOW THE SPACE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE A COUPLE FEET AND IT WOULD APPEAR THAT, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO SIX FEET THAN IT IS EIGHT FEET BASED ON THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAD ON THE SCREEN. 
          YES. 
          SO ONE THING IS YOU, YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY. 
          SO THERE WILL BE A LITTLE SMALL GATE ATTACHED TO THE STUCCO WALL WHERE THE GATE IS ATTACHED, AND THEN THE OTHER GATE IS NOT GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS. 
          I CAN, UH, REMEASURE, BUT WHEN WE MEASURED IT WAS, WE, YOU KNOW, I STILL HAD ABOUT A FOOT FROM THE, FROM THE CURB, BUT I, MY INTENTIONS ARE NOT TO GO TO THE SIDEWALK AND IT'LL ALSO OPEN BOTH WAYS SO WE CAN OPEN IT IN AS WELL. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I'LL DO ANOTHER MOTION, YES MA'AM. 
          APPROVED WITH STAFF, UH, STIPULATIONS, BUT A STIPULATION TWO TO NOT BE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF FOUR FEET, WHICH IS A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT. 
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I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S AT SIX, BUT, UM, YEP, THAT'S A SECOND. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE, HAVE, UM, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER GRUB, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? WELL, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TURN. 
          UM, UM, AND, AND JUST IN GENERAL, I THINK STAFF'S GOT IT RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, I KNOW THE STUCCO WALLS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING AND IT'S A, AND IT'S A DIFFERENT PROPERTY AND, AND EACH PROPERTY IS DIFFERENT. 
          MY CONCERN IS, UM, THAT TURN AND WHAT'S CONNECTING, AND I REALLY DON'T SEE, I MEAN, I, I THINK STAFF'S GOT A RIDE ON THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          I, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          I BELIEVE THE STAFF HAS HIS RIGHT. 
          UM, SO NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, MY, MY CONCERNS ARE THAT WHEN THE GATES ARE OPEN, THEY WILL OVERLAP THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE AN OPERATOR ON THIS FENCE? IS IT A NO, IT'S GONNA BE A MANUAL. 
          A MANUAL, OKAY. 
          SO, UM, UH, MIGHT YOU CONSIDER, UH, SWING GATES INWARD? UH, THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT ONCE WE GET THE, ONCE WE GET CARS IN, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SHUT THE CAR, SHUT THE GATE, THE CARS IN. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE SECURITY AND THE AMOUNT OF PARKING WE HAVE. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANOTHER THING I CAN ADD, IF, UH, JUST BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY, UH, IT IS SOME SOMEWHAT UNIQUE, THE, THE REAL FACADE IS A SIDE. 
          YES. 
          LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF PARKING SPACES, OR HOW MANY CARS DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE HERE? UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE WE, WE COULD BE ABLE TO HAVE UP TO FOUR. 
          UP TO FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          MY CONCERNS REMAINS, UM, OUT SWINGING GATE. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          UM, UH, INTERVENE ON THE, THE SIDEWALK. 
          WE'LL DEFINITELY CROSS ON THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IF WE COULD, AS LONG AS I, YOU KNOW, WOULD SAY IT'S NOT, IT WON'T DO THE SIDEWALK, LIKE MY INTENTIONS ARE NOT TO, TO GO OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          SO COULD THAT BE SOME SORT OF MOTION TO NOT GO OVER THE SIDEWALK? WELL, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          WE CAN SEE HOW IT GOES. 
          AND THEN, UM, OR IF SOMEONE OFFERS AN AMENDMENT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, WELL, MY COMMENTS EARLIER WE'RE GONNA BE THAT THIS IS A VERY, UM, UH, KIND OF U UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE BUILDING HAS GONE A LONG WAY FROM WHERE IT WAS, AND THAT'S JUST FROM DRIVING BY. 
          I MEAN, NOT FROM ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM HAVING ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CARE THAT HAS GONE INTO WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S DOING THE WORK OR DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, IT'S ME. 
          WELL, TO TO, TO YOUR CREDIT, IT, IT IS REALLY, UH, A TESTAMENT TO YOUR COMMITMENT. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT, THAT, WITH THAT LEVEL OF, UH, UH, CREDIBILITY THAT WE, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD YOU THAT IF YOU SAY IT'S NOT GONNA CROSS THE, THE, UH, UM, THE SIDEWALK, THAT, THAT THEN BECOMES KIND OF RELEGATED OVER TO STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          BUT, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, SHOWING US EVIDENCE OF, OF, OF, UH, A PREVIOUS BULL TEAM. 
          AND, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE UNIQUENESS TO THIS ENVIRONMENT, I THINK IT'S, IT BEHOOVES THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THAT ON A WEEKLY BASIS, THIS PLACE IS INCREDIBLY FILLED WITH PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREET AND PEOPLE WALKING DOWN THE STREET. 
          AND ON A MONTHLY BASIS, IT'S, IT, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, IT COULD BE HELL, YOU KNOW, FOR A PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS A GATE, WHO HAS A STREET, AND WHO HAS TO KIND PROTECT THEIR ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT, THAT, LOOKING AT IT SPECIFICALLY, JUST AS YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GATE THAT WE DON'T WANNA GO OVER A, A SIDEWALK, TWO INCHES, THAT, THAT REALLY COULD BE HELD, UH, UH, BY, UH, STAFF AND, AND THAT, UM, UM, REALLY THE, THE, UM, THE HARD WORK OF OF, OF WHOEVER THIS IS THAT'S DOING THIS, UM, THAT, THAT SURELY THAT CREDIBILITY'S GOTTA BE WORTH SOMETHING. 
          SO, UH, UH, IF, IF, IF NOTHING ELSE, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR DOING SUCH A, A BEAUTIFUL JOB, BEING VERY COMMITTED TO THIS, UH, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, YOU HAVE STAYED TRUE TO I THINK, WHAT, WHAT, UM, IT, IT WOULD'VE ORIGINALLY BEEN. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I, I WISH THAT YOU COULD BE GIVEN YOUR, YOUR, UH, UH, BE EMPOWERED TO, TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT TO MOVE ON. 
          I, AND I THINK THAT BEING SAID, IF, IF, IF MY, UM, OF ANY VALUE, MR. CHAIR, I, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE OFFER AN AMENDMENT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PROPER PLACE FOR THAT IS. 
          UH, AFTER THE MOTION, OR IN THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, LET'S GET TO THE REST OF, UH, COMMENTS ON THE MAIN MOTION. 
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YES, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AN EIGHT FOOT GATE EXERTS A TREMENDOUS MOMENT FORCE ON THE POST THAT IT'S ANCHORED TO. 
          AND NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF EVIDENCE IS THERE, UM, EXISTING FROM AN EARLIER GATE, I, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN A FENCE, WE, WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, BASED UPON THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND I WOULD THINK THAT YOU'D WANT TO HAVE INDEPENDENT SELF ANCHORED POSTS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THIS GATE AND TO HAVE IT BE 16 FEET WIDE. 
          IS THAT WHAT IT'S BEING PROPOSED? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE EIGHT FEET, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO START, UH, YOU KNOW, SPLITTING IT IN HALF. 
          SO THAT'S FOUR FEET. 
          AND YOU'RE THEN GOING TO AVOID THE CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EXTENDING OVER THE SIDEWALK. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S A 16 FEET OPENING WITH TWO EIGHT FOOT GATES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? MR. B? YEAH. 
          WELL, THERE IS GONNA BE, SO WE'RE NOT A, I'M NOT THE WEIGHT, THE ENTIRE WEIGHT OF THE GATE WILL NOT BE ON THE STUCCO WALL. 
          THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE A POST IT'S TIED TO IT, AND THE POST, THE, THE POST WILL HAVE A LITTLE, A LITTLE SMALL FENCE TO THE STUCCO WALL, SO THAT I DON'T WANNA, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE STUCCO WALL. 
          AND ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIGHT ANGLE, WE'LL ALSO USE A, A FOUR POST. 
          SO WE, THE TWO, THE TWO EIGHT FOOT GATES ALLOWS US TO PUT TWO CARS IN THERE SIDE BY SIDE AT THE SAME TIME IF WE HAVE ONE. 
          AND YOU CAN ONLY PUT, I MEAN, IT KIND OF DEFEATS OUR PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANKS. 
          THOSE THINK, UM, STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT? AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, DID YOU WANT TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT? WELL, I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT THAT, THAT WE, UH, UM, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A D R C, UM, ON THIS, UM, OFFENSE ISSUE THAT SAID PROPERTY AMENDMENT FOR D R C. 
          YES. 
          SO IT, THAT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT ACTION. 
          WHAT IS PROPOSED IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          SO WE CAN TAKE UP A VOTE FOR A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, AND IF IT PASSES, IT WOULD REPLACE THE MAIN MOTION, BUT IT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. 
          D R C, YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION. 
          THE APPLICANT CAN GET THIS APPROVAL AND THEN STILL GO TO D R C DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND IT TO D R C FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO D R C. 
          MY MOTION IS NOT FOR DENIAL. 
          MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          CAN WE HAVE TO VOTE ON A SUBSTITUTE MOTION IF THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW IS ON THE TABLE AND HASN'T BEEN VOTED ON? RIGHT. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT COREY WAS SAYING, IT WOULD NEED A SECOND TO BE VOTED ON. 
          MS. LOZANO WAS SAYING THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WHICH ONE IS VOTED ON FIRST. 
          OKAY, SO IT IS A DIFFERENT MOTION. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          IT'S MORE LIKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN AMENDMENT. 
          IT'S, SO THE MAIN, IF THERE, SO THE MAIN MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THE MOTION AS PRESENTED BY GROUP AND SECONDED BY CARPENTER. 
          SO AFTER YOU TAKE ACT, UNLESS THERE'S AN A MOTION TO AMEND AFTER YOU TAKE ACTION ON THIS, YOU CAN, UM, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME, YOU CAN CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MOTION. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IF THIS MOTION PASSES, THE APPLICANT CAN STILL GO TO D R C? YES. 
          SO A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          NO. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO MR. ZENIO, IF YOU HAVE AN ALTERNATE PROPOSAL, YOU CAN ALWAYS SUBMIT THAT, UH, YOU CAN ALWAYS REQUEST A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, BUT THE MOTION HAS PASSED. 
          WELL, I JUST GO, I COULD JUST PUT THE FENCE FOUR INCHES BACK LIKE THEY'RE ASKING ME AND WE CAN BE RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          YOU COULD, WOULD SET THE, SET THE POST DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT WING WALL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOUR INCHES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON GETTING THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE FENCE BASED ON THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, WELL, IT'S NO PROBLEM. 
          I'LL JUST MOUNT IT BEHIND THE I DID NOT. 
          21 ITEM 21 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 3 1 30. 
          KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FLAT METAL ROOF OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH A PITCHED STANDING SEAM. 
          METAL ROOF STAFF 
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RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE A FLAT METAL ROOF OVER THE WRAPAROUND PORCH BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C WITH THE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF REMAINS UNCHANGED WHEN THE NEW ROOF IS INSTALLED, OR INCLUDE A LOW ENOUGH PROFILE AS TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, WE HAVE, UM, MARK WHITE HERE IN PERSON, THE APPLICANT. 
          AND, UM, SINCE THE, UH, CREATION OF THE, UH, CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM HERE AT THE D S D, UH, MY COMPANY'S PROUD TO HAVE BEEN THE FIRST PREMIER, UH, ROOFING COMPANY, UH, DESIGNATED AS PREMIER STATUS WITH THE CONTRACTOR CONNECT PROGRAM. 
          JUST, UH, WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOU. 
          UM, WE WILL BE, UH, REPLACING THE ROOF AT THE SAN ANTONIO ART LEAGUE AND MUSEUM. 
          AND, UH, THEY REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE ITS PROPOSED PLAN FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF AT ONE 30 KING WILLIAMS STREET. 
          UH, THE PLAN INCLUDES REPLACING THE CURRENT FLAT ROOF, WHICH COVERS THE VERANDA WITH A SLIGHTLY PITCHED ROOF COVERED WITH METAL INSTEAD OF THE CURRENT COMPOSITION ROOFING MATERIAL. 
          THE MAIN REASON FOR ADDING THE PITCH OF THE ROOF IS TO PREVENT WATER LEAKAGE, WHICH HAS OCCURRED IN THE PAST WHERE THE PITCHED METAL ROOF JOINS THE FLAT COMPOSITION ROOF. 
          IN ADDITION, THE CHANGE IN PITCH WILL ALLOW THE ENTIRE ROOF ON THAT SECTION OF THE BUILDING TO BE COVERED WITH METAL. 
          THIS WILL MAKE THE LOOK OF THE ROOF MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND HISTORICALLY CONSISTENT AND WILL GREATLY EXTEND THE LIFETIME OF THE ROOF OF THAT ON THAT PORTION. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT THIS MINOR MODIFICATION WILL NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING, ESPECIALLY FROM A VIEWING ANGLE ON THE GROUND LEVEL. 
          AND SO THAT'S A, UH, LETTER FROM THE, UH, TREASURER OF THE ART LEAGUE AND MUSEUM. 
          AND SO, UH, THE REASON THAT I'M HERE, I BELIEVE, IS TO PRESENT THAT THE MINOR CHANGES WILL NOT BE VISIBLE, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO, UH, THERE'S SOME PHOTOS THAT ARE BEING SHOWN. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE THIRD PAGE, IT'S, UH, IT'S HARD TO APPRECIATE FROM THE GROUND LEVEL HOW BIG THIS CONE SECTION REALLY IS UNTIL YOU SEE THE MAN, WHICH IS THE INSURANCE ADJUSTER, AND HE'S UP THERE LIKE WITH HIS TRUCK. 
          IT'S A REALLY BIG CONE. 
          AND SO FROM THE GROUND LEVEL YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE HALF OF THE CONE. 
          UM, AND SO FROM OUR STARTING POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING THIS PITCH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE LESS THAN TWO FEET FROM THE VERY BASE OF THIS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE THAT I'M REFERRING TO WITH THE ADJUSTER, UH, AND HIS FEET THERE, BUT THE, THE HEIGHT OF OUR STARTING POINT IS JUST AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE PANELS. 
          UH, I DUNNO IF I CAN JUST SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE HERE. 
          AND SO THE, THE, THE, OUR STARTING POINT IS, IS LITERALLY ABOUT RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD JUST P PROVIDE POSITIVE DRAINAGE TOWARD THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          THE BOTTOM OF THE STANDING SCENE PANEL, YES. 
          WHERE THE, UH, EXISTING FLASHING IS STARTING, RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND THERE. 
          IT COULD BE MAYBE AN INCH OR TWO HIGHER, BUT RIGHT AROUND THAT AREA WOULD BE OUR STARTING POINT. 
          AND THEN IT WOULD BE PITCHED DOWNWARD TO ACHIEVE POSITIVE DRAINAGE. 
          AND ALSO TO ACHIEVE, UH, A MONOLITHIC ROOFING SYSTEM, ALL OF THE SAME, UH, MATERIAL. 
          IT WOULD EXTEND THE LIFESPAN OF THAT SYSTEM. 
          INSTEAD OF BEING A MODIFIED VITAMIN THAT'S GONNA DETERIORATE IN 12 TO 15 YEARS, YOU HAVE A METAL ROOF OVER THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, WHICH WILL PROLONG THAT, UH, AND PRESERVE THE, THE STRUCTURE AND, UH, ALSO MINIMIZE ANY CHANCE OF, UH, WATER INTRUSION. 
          UM, IF YOU KEEP GOING A COUPLE OF PAGES AFTER THAT, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE OF THAT. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE LAST PAGE YOU HAVE, YOU SEE THE RUST, IT SAYS THE RUST AROUND THE PERIMETER. 
          UH, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A VERY STEEP CONE AND HAVING NO TYPE OF PITCH THAT IT GOES INTO, IT'S JUST ALL DUMPING RIGHT THERE AROUND THE, AROUND THAT AREA. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A SMALL LITTLE PITCH THAT CAN ACHIEVE THE DRAINAGE. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S PRICELESS MATERIAL INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING, UH, LET ALONE THE BUILDING ITSELF. 
          UH, IT'S A, IT'S A MUSEUM AND SO THERE'S INCREDIBLE LIABILITY IF, UH, WATER DOES GET IN THE BUILDING, NOT JUST FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT FOR THE, UH, PRICELESS THINGS THAT IT CONTAINS. 
          UM, SO I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. 
          THANKS, CHARLIE. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          WE DO. 
          MY NAME IS LISA LIND, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 3 0 KING WILLIAM STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 
          [04:30:01]
FOUR THREE. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISOR COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGEST THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH THE SLIGHTLY INCREASED THE PORCH ROOF PITCH TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE AND ELIMINATE ROOF LEAKS JOINTS WHERE FLAT MEN VEIN ROOFS INTERSECT. 
          PITCH METAL ROOFS ARE PRONE TO LEAK AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED. 
          THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED INCREASE IN THE PITCH OF THE PORCH ROOF WILL ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF THE METAL FLASHINGS TO JOIN THE EXISTING STANDING SEAM ROOF TO A NEW STANDING SEAM PORCH ROOF. 
          WE CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S ASSESSMENT THAT THE SLIGHT CHANGE IN PITCH WILL NOT BE VISIBLE. 
          HOWEVER, WE SUGGEST THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE HIP CONDITIONS AT THE PORCH, ENDS IN LIEU OF THE VISIBLE WALLS INDICATED ON THE ROOF PLAN SKETCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO DID YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE MEANT BY HIPS ON THE, THE TWO ENDS OF THE ROOF? I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PLAN, UM, ON THE ENDS MM-HMM. 
           ON THE RIGHT AND ON THE BOTTOM IT LOOKS TO BE, IF YOU'VE GOT A CONTIN, ONE'S A CONSTANT SLOPE, YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH A END WALL, A VERTICAL END WALL TO STOP YOUR ROOFING. 
          AND WHAT SHE'S PROPO, WHAT THEY'RE KING WILLIAM IS PROPOSING OR SUGGESTING IS THAT YOU GO WITH A HIP ROOF AT THOSE OUTSIDE CORNERS SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE VERTICAL END WALL. 
          COULD, UH, I THINK IT MAY BE CLEAR IF I SEE THE OVERVIEW AGAIN. 
          MAYBE, I MEAN, UH, JUST TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, SO CAN Y'ALL, UM, JESSICA, CAN YOU DRAW WHERE A HIP WOULD BE ON THAT ROOF? SO THEY WANNA PUT A HIP, THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE A HIP WHERE THE VERTICAL WALL IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. 
          YES. 
          IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIP IT ALL THE WAY BACK. 
          IT, THE IDEA IS TO ELIMINATE THE WALL ON THE EDGE OF THE UPPER LEVEL SO IT CAN BE A STEEPED HIP. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          ARE, ARE WE IN QUESTIONS ALREADY? YES. 
          YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. 
          I, I WANT, I'D LIKE TO, TO FI FIND OUT WHY THEY HAVEN'T CONSIDERED JUST CANTEEN THAT JUNCTION. 
          WHY DON'T THEY JUST COUNT THAT JUNCTION? UH, I YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR BUILDING THIS SIGNIFICANT, A HAND DRAWING IS, IS NOT, IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO SEE THAT THE SOLUTION HAS BEEN MET. 
          AND, AND DEFINITELY US DRAWING ON THE DRAWING IS NOT, IS US ACCEPTING THE LIABILITY FOR WHETHER IT'S GONNA WORK OR NOT. 
          UH, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT, THAT THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT PROFESSIONALLY. 
          THAT THE ROOFER'S NOT NECESSARILY THE PERSON TO COME UP WITH A ROOFING DESIGN. 
          UM, UH, 'CAUSE IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, I MEAN, AT, AT ONE LEVEL, THAT'S THIS EASY SOLUTION. 
          THAT'S LIKE THAT HOUSE THAT, THAT, THAT COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT WE DEALT WITH. 
          AND, AND BABY KING WILLIAM OVER HERE IN LA BACA WHERE THE GUY BUILT A LONG PITCH TO GET THE WATER OFF THE BACK. 
          THI THIS, THIS SEEMS THAT, THAT THIS IS PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, IT REALLY, IT SHOULD COME BACK TO US WITH A PROFESSIONAL SET OF DRAWINGS AND, AND THAT MAYBE IT SHOULD GO TO A, A COME BACK IF, IF ANYTHING, MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, WE WERE TOLD TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING WE HAD. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE ROOFER PROVIDED, LIKE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, WE THEN PROVIDED THAT TO AN ARCHITECT DRAWER WHO DREW SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WE PROVIDED EVERYTHING WE HAD. 
          THAT'S NOT THE EXTENT OF OF, OF WHAT WE'VE GOT FOR THIS ROOF. 
          WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF DRAWINGS. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT THIS ONE, WE'VE GOT A ROOF SKETCH, UH, THAT WAS DONE. 
          UM, ANOTHER COMPANY. 
          THIS WAS JUST, THAT'S JUST ONE. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A, THAT THERE'S A WALL, A PARAPET OF A VERTICAL, UH, RESOLUTION TO THAT BUILDING, TO THAT SIGNIFICANT BUILDING. 
          IT'S NOT THOUGHT OUT THERE. 
          THAT'S JUST NOT THOUGHT OUT. 
          AND, AND WE CAN PROPOSE A SOLUTION FOR YOU, BUT THEN THAT CAUSES US TO CARRY A SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER HERE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A WINDOW. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S IT'S NOT A PROPORTION, IT'S AN ACTUAL, UH, UH, AN ACTUAL WATER, UH, TIGHTNESS ISSUE. 
          SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT THAT THEY YES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS. 
          UH, UH, OR, OR, OR EVEN FOR D R C MR T, LET ME THINK. 
          WE'LL BE BETTER. 
          WE CONTINUE, WE END UP WITH THE SAME DRAWINGS. 
          WE MAKE A MOTION 
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FOR D R C I MAKE A MOTION FOR D R C AND I SECOND THAT AND, AND CONCUR WITH THE CONCERN ABOUT THE LACK OF DOCUMENTATION AND JUST SOME VERY SIMPLE BASIC, UH, DETAILS OF THAT JUNCTURE OF WHAT'S BEING ADDED. 
          WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS CREATING THE CAN'T. 
          UM, TYPICALLY YOU DO NOT DO METAL ROWS AT LESS THAN THREE AND 12 UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOLDERS SEEN AND HAVE, UH, SOME KIND OF, UH, MEMBRANE UNDERNEATH THEM. 
          SO I, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING A FULLY BAKED SCHEME YET. 
          IS THAT A SECOND ? CAN I ASK FOR A QUICK THAT WAS A SECOND. 
          THAT WAS A WHOLE, I'M SORRY. 
          FULL THROATED. 
          SECOND ON THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ARE YOU SUGGESTING D R C WEBEX OR SITE VISIT IT? I THINK IT COULD BE A WEBEX. 
          IT COULD BE A WEBEX. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA CLIMB UP ON THE ROOF. 
          SO IT COULD BE A WEBEX AND SECOND WEB WEBEX. 
          AS A CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WOULD, UH, BASICALLY HAVE THE, THE PERSON WHO DID THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS, THIS NEXT ARCHITECT COME BACK WITH FULLY DEVELOPED DRAWING SHOWING, UH, THESE CONDITIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AND THAT, THAT, THAT INDIVIDUAL BE INVITED TO THAT D R C? YES. 
          SO THAT THEY'LL KNOW. 
          IT'S A VERY SIMPLE DRAWING, BUT, UH, IT'S THE JUNCTIONS THAT ARE NOT EASY, THAT, THAT'S A TECHNICAL RIGHT SKILL THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE EMPLOYED. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER GIVES GIBBS, UH, THANK YOU MRS. CHAIR. 
          I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE P R C, SO, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I, I HAVE TO AGREE AND I HOPE THE APPLICANT SEES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT AND DO, DO YOUR RIGHT BY THIS. 
          SO YEAH, COMMISSIONER GRU, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING TO ADD? COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH? UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THESE DETAILS MATTER AND THIS WILL SHOULD RESOLVE THAT. 
          SO I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. 
          YES, AND I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 22. 
          OKAY, ITEM 22 ON THE AGENDA. 
          H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 3 3 3 37 MADISON STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN EXTERIOR ELEVATOR. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN ELEVATOR. 
          AN EXTERIOR ELEVATOR BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE INTRODUCING NEW FENESTRATION TO THE STONE STRUCTURE. 
          AND WE HAVE THE OWNER DENNIS SPAR ON WEBEX. 
          MR. SPAR, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, HEARING MY CASE. 
          PERFECT. 
          GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE'VE INVESTIGATED, UM, YOU KNOW, CUTTING INTO WALLS BEFORE WE HAVE, UH, A WALL THAT WAS CUT INTO THE KITCHEN. 
          UH, THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY TWO WALL TWO, UH, ROOMS IN THE FRONT WITH A SEPARATE KITCHEN, UH, SEPARATED BY ABOUT, UH, 12 TO 15 FEET. 
          UH, IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, THEY ADDED, UH, THE BACK ROOMS. AND WHEN THEY ADDED THE BACK ROOMS, THEY, UH, BASICALLY CUT A, A HOLE IN THE WALL, WHICH IS THE SAME STRUCTURE. 
          AND, UH, THERE AT THAT TIME THEY DIDN'T PUT ANY SUPPORT IN THERE. 
          SO THERE IS NO SUPPORT. 
          THEY JUST CUT A HOLE AND, UH, IT'S BASICALLY PAINTED. 
          UM, I HAVE TALKED TO ARCHITECTS, I'VE TALKED TO, UH, STRUCTURAL PEOPLE IN MASON, UH, UH, HISTORIC MASONS, AND THEY DO NOT SEE AN ISSUE WITH CUTTING A HOLE IN THE WALL. 
          I ALSO, UH, RAN IT BY THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND, UH, THEY DO NOT SEE A PROBLEM. 
          AND, UH, WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IS IF ONCE WE CUT A HOLE IN THE WALL IN THE UPSTAIRS AND THE DOWNSTAIRS, WE WILL SAVE THE MATERIALS SO THAT, UH, IF IT, SINCE IT IS REVERSIBLE AT ANY TIME, UH, WE CAN PUT THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS BACK IN. 
          UH, THE 
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DOWNSTAIRS WALL IS, UH, I BELIEVE LIKE CALICHE OR LIMESTONE. 
          UH, YOU CAN'T SEE 'CAUSE IT'S COVERED WITH STUCCO AND THE UPSTAIRS BRICK. 
          AND SOME OF IT YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE PHOTO. 
          RIGHT NOW, UH, THE UPSTAIRS IS ALL BRICK AND THE DOWNSTAIRS WAS THE, UH, LIMESTONE OR CCHE. 
          SO, UH, WE'RE JUST, UH, AND WE LOOKED ALL OVER TO TRY TO PUT A, UH, ELEVATOR SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          UH, IF WE PUT IT IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE OUT TWO WINDOWS AND A DOOR. 
          UH, IF WE PUT IT ON THE SIDE, LOOKING AT NOW, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, BE VERY VISIBLE AND OBSTRUCTIVE. 
          AND THE PLACE WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, YOU BASICALLY CAN'T EVEN SEE IT FROM THE STREET. 
          IT'S, UH, PRETTY, UH, INVISIBLE WITH THE, UH, VEGETATION AND, UH, GROWTH. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE HISTORIC PHOTOS. 
          NUMBER 16, IS THIS THE FACADE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE ELEVATOR? UH, LET'S SEE. 
          THAT IS ACTUALLY THE, THE, A DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IS THE SHERATON SIDE AND IT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT'S SHOWN IN PHOTO 17? UH, OR IS THAT ANOTHER FACADE AS WELL? YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT IT, I BELIEVE, WELL, THAT MIGHT BE THE SHERIDAN SIDE. 
          IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE, LEMME LOOK THAT THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE. 
          AND WHAT THEY HAD IS, YEAH, THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THERE WAS A, I GUESS A LITTLE ON THE SIDE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION? I, I DO. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, UM, SIR, DO YOU HAVE, UM, ANY ILLUSTRATIONS OF HOW THE, THE SYSTEM IS ARTICULATED AWAY FROM THE WALL, HOW IT CONNECTS, UH, OR, OR EVEN THE STYLE OF THE NEW ELEVATORS, THE DESIGN INVOLVED IN IT? WELL, AT THIS TIME IT'S, UH, JUST GOING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND I DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HIRE AN ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING FIRM TO, UH, DO THE FINAL DESIGN UNTIL I KNEW THAT, UM, I WAS GONNA GET IT APPROVED BASICALLY. 
          SO I GOT TWO MORE, TWO MORE QUESTIONS THEN. 
          SURE. 
          IS IT, IS IT IN YOUR, UM, UM, INTENTION OR CAPABILITY THAT IT'S DESIGNED? OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE MOST ECONOMICAL SHELL? NO, I'M, I'M FOR A DESIGN THAT WOULD BE, UH, UH, AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE HOUSE AND, UH, NOT BE OBTRUSIVE. 
          UH, YES SIR. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO DO IT INEXPENSIVELY, I WANNA DO IT WHAT, YOU KNOW. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN IS THIS TIED TO ACCESSIBILITY TO, TO A D A IN, IN A D A SENSE, YES, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE HAD AN ISSUE LAST YEAR WHERE, UH, SHE COULDN'T GO UP THE STAIRS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T GET THIS DONE, WE'D BE FORCED TO MOVE TO ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD, FIND A ONE STORY HOUSE, OR DO SOMETHING IN THE BACK, WHICH I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE, UH, MY QUESTIONS. 
          I DO APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I, I HAVE QUICK QUESTION. 
          IF WE COULD LOOK AT, UM, THE HISTORIC IMAGE NUMBER 19 FOR A SECOND. 
          SO THERE AT THE FAR LEFT SIDE OF THE, THE DOUBLE STORY PORCH RIGHT THERE APPEARS TO BE A DOOR WITH A TRANSOM AND BELOW THAT A WINDOW. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S GONE, THAT'S A WINDOW NOW. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS POSSIBLY TO PUT THE ELEVATOR THERE, BUT, UM, WE WOULD LOSE TWO WINDOWS AND WE WOULD ALSO LOSE A DOOR, UH, TO THE KITCHEN. 
          SO THAT, THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE MORE NATURAL PLACE TO PO TO POSITION IT E EITHER 
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THERE OR, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE ELEVATOR BE SOMETHING THAT IS ACCESSED EXTERIORLY? SO YOU GO OUT ONTO NO, UH, AT THE STAIR, ABOVE THE STAIR. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GOING BACK TO WHAT WOULD SEEM TO BE THE MORE NATURAL APPROACH WOULD BE TO USE EXISTING OPENINGS, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN MODIFIED, RATHER THAN CUTTING NEW OPENINGS INTO THE SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS, I THINK IS STILL VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          WELL, I DID HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT LOOK AT IT AND, UH, IT WOULD, UH, CUT IN YOU. 
          I, I CAN'T GET NOW BECAUSE THIS, UH, SCREEN, UH, THERE'S A BLUE SCREEN OVER IT, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CUT INTO THE PORCH. 
          YOU REALLY DESTROY THE ROOF LINE OF A PORCH. 
          UH, YOU DESTROY THE ROOF LINE OF, UM, THE ROOF. 
          UM, IT, IT, TO ME, IT DOESN'T SEEM IT COULD WORK. 
          AND, UH, ARCHITECT, UH, SUGGESTED THAT WHERE I WAS PROPOSING IT WAS THE BEST LOCATION. 
          BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I FORGOT TO PLAY A VOICEMAIL. 
          CAN I PLAY THAT REAL QUICK PLEASE? I FORGOT TO PLAY A VOICEMAIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION BY THE END. 
          YES, PLEASE. 
          MY NAME IS LISA LIND. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 3 7 MADISON STREET. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 3 3. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED AND ALLOW THE EXTERIOR ELEVATOR INSTALLATION. 
          WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF FINDINGS EXCEPT FOR THE REVERSIBILITY OF THE PROJECT. 
          THERE ARE SEVERAL HISTORIC MASON AND RESTRUCTURES AND KING WILLIAM, WHERE PENETRATIONS WERE MADE THROUGH EXTERIOR WALLS WITHOUT COMPROMISING THEIR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONS. 
          IN FACT, AN OPENING WAS MADE IN THE REAR WALL OF THIS STRUCTURE TO ALLOW FOR A PASSAGEWAY TO THE FORMER DETACHED KITCHEN. 
          ONE PROMINENT EXAMPLE OF AN EXTERIOR ELEVATOR ADDITION IS AT THE LIBERTY BAR, 1 1 1 1 SOUTH ALAMO STREET THAT THE H D R C APPROVED. 
          IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO SALVAGE AND STORE STONE AND BRICK MATERIALS REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSED OPENINGS. 
          REINFORCEMENT FOR THE NEW OPENINGS WILL BE ENGINEERED TO ALLOW FOR REMOVAL IN THE FUTURE IN CASE THE ELEVATOR IS REMOVED SO THAT THE OPENINGS CAN BE INFILLED WITH THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS BY A MASON GUILD IN HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, INTERRUPTION, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND ONE, ONE OTHER THING IF I MIGHT ADD, MIGHT ADD, UM, I HAVE, UH, LOOKED AT SEVERAL OTHER HOUSES IN KING WILLIAM, UH, 2 0 2 KING WILLIAM, 2 25 KING WILLIAM THAT WAS JUST BEING FINISHED RENOVATING RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, 5 0 4 KING WILLIAM AND TWO 50 WASHINGTON. 
          ALL THOSE HOMES HAD A BRICK, UH, OR SOME TYPE OF LIMESTONE EXTERIOR, AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO ADD ONTO THE HOMES AND CUT THROUGH THE WALLS. 
          MR. CHAIR, SINCE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL, I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SUBMITTED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          WELL, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, STAFF DENIES THE, WE'VE MADE A RECOMMEND, LIKE AN ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATION, NOT A STIPULATION. 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WELL, I WOULD JUST, UH, THEN I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE THAT THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY USED OR, OR THE RECORDING USED. 
          UH, I WOULD MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BECAUSE IT'S CONCEPTUAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I THINK, UH, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE REAL HEART OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE, IT IS, UH, THE NEXT STEP THAT IT, IT REALLY IS GONNA COME DOWN TO HOW IT'S, UH, ACHIEVED IT. 
          THIS CAN BE A VERY ELEGANT ADDITION TO THE HOUSE. 
          NOW, OBVIOUSLY, NOT EVERYBODY CAN AFFORD TO HAVE AN ELEVATOR. 
          SO THIS IS THE UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE YOU PUT AN ELEVATOR ON A HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, THE IMMEDIATE, THE IMMEDIATE THOUGHT ISN'T THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T WAIT TO TEAR THIS ELEVATOR DOWN. 
          RIGHT? IT BECOMES AN AMENITY TO THE HOUSE THAT RIGHT NOW SERVES AS AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE. 
          BUT IF IT'S HANDLED RIGHT, THIS REALLY COULD BE A, A, A BEAUTIFUL, KIND OF A MODERN ELEMENT THAT, THAT, UH, SPEAKS OF THE TIME, RIGHT? WHICH IS, UM, I THINK AN OPPORTUNITY IN ITSELF. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
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NO COMMENTS. 
          I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          UM, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS, AND WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT, I'D LIKE TO OFFER TWO STIPULATIONS, WHICH ENCAPSULATE, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMITMENT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. 
          BUT I THINK I NEED TO WAIT, CORRECT? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, YOU, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, I'M GONNA APPROVE. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO TAKE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN HERE, PARTICULARLY BY, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HERE AND, AND POTENTIALLY WHEN HE IS WORKING THROUGH THIS OR HIS ARCHITECTS WORKING THROUGH IT, THAT YOU JUST KIND OF LOOK AT MAYBE USING SOME OPENINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 
          IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, BUT I THINK AT THE PHASE THAT YOU'RE IN IT, AND ONCE YOU START PUTTING PEN TO PAPER, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT AND, AND RUN THE NUMBERS ON AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, UH, HAVE A, A SLIGHTLY BETTER SOLUTION. 
          OR MAYBE THIS, IT WON'T, MAYBE IT WON'T, BUT KIND OF EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER GRUB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR. 
          AND I THINK ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER FISH WAS TRYING TO GET A WORD IN EARLY, UM, TO GET THIS MOTION. 
          AND I THINK WE, IF YOU AGREE, UM, SINCE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, I WAS ALSO GONNA BE IN LINE IF OFFER, YOU KNOW, UH, AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION TO JUST FOLLOW WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD RECOMMENDED ABOUT REVERSIBILITY, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO REVERSE THE STONE. 
          SINCE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY GONNA FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BUT THOSE ARE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD KEEP FOR, YOU KNOW, FINAL, AT LEAST KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS SCHEME IF IT WERE TO SHIFT THAT ELEVATOR EITHER TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT AND UTILIZE ONE OF THE WINDOW OPENINGS. 
          IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO EXTRACT A WINDOW AND STORE IT AND CUT THE SILL AND RETAIN THAT STONE THAN TO BLAST THROUGH TO BRAND NEW HOLES INTO A MASONRY WALL. 
          THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          UH, THE, THE PROBLEM, UH, OF SHIFTING TO ONE OR THE OTHER WINDOWS, UH, YOU, UH, SHIFT IT TO THE WINDOW CLOSEST TO, UH, MADISON, UH, YOU WOULD LOCK THE, YOU'RE BASICALLY BLOCKING THE DOORWAY, SO IT'S VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          IF YOU MOVE IT, UH, TO THE OTHER AREA, YOU KNOW, FURTHER BACK, UM, THEN I HAVE TO  TWO AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS THAT IT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT I CAN PUT 'EM AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT 'EM. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS HERE. 
          NOT ALL OF THEM ARE BEING REPRESENTED IN THE MATERIALS WE HAVE AVAILABLE, SO I DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT KNOWLEDGE. 
          SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT I HAVE AVAILABLE TO ME AND, UH, TRYING TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR THE, UH, HISTORIC MATERIAL HERE AND FIND THE LEAST INVASIVE WAY OF INTRODUCING THIS ELEVATOR. 
          OBVIOUSLY, IF ACCESSIBILITY IS THE CONCERN, WE DEFINITELY WANNA SUPPORT THAT. 
          WE WANT TO DEMONSTRATE HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE SYSTEMS CAN BE, UH, SENSITIVELY INTEGRATED INTO, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          UH, THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, I'M JUST, UH, GIVEN THE INFORMATION I HAVE HERE, I'M TRYING TO THROW OUT ALTERNATIVES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE BEEN CONSIDERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU WANT TO, UH, MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION. 
          IF, IF I COULD MOVE, UH, AN AMENDED AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO INCLUDE, UH, STIPULATION ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE AND STORE STONE AND BRICK MATERIALS REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSED OPENINGS ON SITE AND STIPULATION TWO, THAT REINFORCEMENT FOR THE NEW OPENINGS WILL BE ENGINEERED TO ALLOW FOR REMOVAL IN THE FUTURE. 
          IN THE CASE THE ELEVATOR IS REMOVED, SO THE OPENINGS CAN BE RESTORED OR INFILLED WITH THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. 
          I'LL SECOND SO WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? SOUNDS REASONABLE. 
          ALL SUPPORTED. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? UH, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU, I'LL SUPPORT IT. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, NO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I'LL SUPPORT IT. 
          YES, AND I WILL ALSO SUPPORT THAT MOTION. 
          UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
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SAV. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          AND NOW ROLL CALL ON THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER, NO. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SEE Y'ALL LATER.
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