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          [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
          [00:00:04]
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UH, CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          PLEASE. 
          YOU'RE READY FOR A ROLL CALL? UH, YES, PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE US ROLL CALL GIBBS. 
          HERE, FISH HERE. 
          SINO HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ IS HERE. 
           HERE. 
          CARPENTER HERE. 
          GROVE IS ABSENT. 
          CERVANTES HERE. 
          LA IS ABSENT AND CHAIRMAN IS ABSENT. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I FAILED TO MENTION THAT THIS IS THE, THE HEARING FOR THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022. 
          AND, UH, I BEG ALL YOUR GRACE AS I GO THROUGH THIS. 
          JEFF MAKES THIS JOB LOOK REALLY EASY. 
          SO HE'S SOMEWHERE, UH, WITH A UMBRELLA DRINK IN, IN A, IN SOME OTHER LATITUDE. 
          SO GOOD ON HIM. 
          WELL DESERVED. 
          UH, BREAK. 
          SO LET ME READ THE, UH, THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, IF I MAY. 
          ACTUALLY, BEFORE WE DO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, LET'S HAVE THE, UM, INTERPRETIVE SERVICES ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          OKAY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          INTERPRETIVE SER SERVICES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS JEAN MARIE. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY. 
          ALRIGHT, NOW THE, UH, CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M SCOTT CARPENTER, THE VICE CHAIR AND ACTING CHAIR FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          AND OUR NORMAL CHAIR IS JEFF FETZER. 
          IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COM COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY COUNCIL MANAGER, SORRY, THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OR THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON IN AS THE CASE IS CONSIDERED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSE TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR THREE MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS, WHO HAS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. 
          SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HYSTERICAL PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I ASK YOU TO PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES. 
          FIRST ORDER BUSINESS. 
          SO AS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MENTIONED, HE IS OUR PRESIDING OFFICER TODAY, UM, AND CHAIRMAN FE PROFESSOR'S ABSENCE, UM, AND HE ALSO HAS A RECUSAL ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO WE NEED TO ELECT AN ACTING VICE CHAIR TO SERVE IN HIS ROLE WHILE HE RECUSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COREY. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, NOMINEES FOR THE ROLE OF ACTING VICE CHAIR? I NOMINATE COMMISSIONER SABINO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? I SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A NOMINATION IS SECOND. 
          UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
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MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GREAT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW, UH, STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          SO ACTUALLY THREE, UM, FOUR, IF YOU COUNT WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROMOTIONS I WANNA MENTION. 
          UM, SO EDWARD HALL, WHO YOU KNOW HERE IN THE FRONT, HAS BEEN WITH O H P SINCE 2014. 
          GREAT . 
          UH, PREVIOUSLY OUR SENIOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UH, SPECIALIST. 
          UH, HE IS NOW PROMOTED TO DESIGN REVIEW MANAGER. 
          UM, SO SIMILAR ROLE, UH, BUT MORE FITTING OF THE, THE, UM, THE WORK THAT HE DOES FOR THE OFFICE. 
          AND THEN RACHEL TATA, WHO'S SITTING BEHIND ME, IS NOW OUR NEW SENIOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. 
          UM, SO CONGRATULATIONS TO BOTH OF THOSE. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          SO, EDWARD, IF YOU WILL PULL UP OUR, UM, SA REUSE.COM WEBSITE. 
          UM, SO AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A FEW YEARS ON OUR DECONSTRUCTION INITIATIVE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE RELATED TO THAT INITIATIVE IS GOING TO CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW. 
          UM, AND SO AS PART OF THE BROADER EFFORT TO PROVIDE RESOURCES RELATED TO CIRCULAR ECONOMY AND REUSE IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, THIS WEBSITE IS REALLY ENVISIONED TO BE SORT OF A ONE-STOP SHOP FOR ALL OF THE, UM, RESOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER BY OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          UM, AND INCLUDING, IF YOU GO TO THE RESOURCES TAB AT THE TOP, YEAH, THAT FIRST ONE, CLICK ON THAT, UH, THE REUSE EXCHANGE, UH, FACEBOOK GROUP. 
          UM, SO THIS IS SAN ANTONIO SALVAGE PICKERS REUSE EXCHANGE, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SPARE. 
          UM, SO WE ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO AND JOIN THAT GROUP. 
          IT'S A GREAT, UH, RESOURCE FOR, UH, POSTING, UH, OR REQUESTING, UH, REUSE MATERIALS AND KIND OF, UH, PROMOTING REUSE IN SAN ANTONIO AND SHOWING WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH SALVAGE MATERIALS. 
          AND SO THAT'S A NEW INITIATIVE, UH, THAT ANYBODY HAS ACCESS TO. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY, UM, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICTS COALITION THAT REALLY KIND OF MET ON A AS-NEED BASIS. 
          WHENEVER THERE WAS A TIME THAT O H P NEEDED TO SHARE, UH, INFORMATION OR, UH, RECEIVE FEEDBACK REGARDING AN INITIATIVE INITIATIVE, UH, WE WOULD HOST A MEETING WITH HISTORIC DISTRICTS COALITION, UM, THAT REALLY IS REPRESENTATIVE OF NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, UH, ADVOCATES, UH, PEOPLE WHO, WHO WORK IN THE PRESERVATION ARENA. 
          UM, AND SO NOW THAT IT'S SAFER TO MEET IN PERSON, WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY RECONVENING, UH, MORE OF A REGULAR MEETING. 
          WE'RE GONNA START MEETING QUARTERLY. 
          UM, AND THE NEXT HISTORIC DISTRICTS COALITION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS SATURDAY AT THE MISSION BRANCH LIBRARY ON ROOSEVELT. 
          UM, THAT MEETING'S GONNA START AT 10 15 IN THE MORNING. 
          UH, YOU CAN GET IN AT 10. 
          UM, SO THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET SITUATED AND HAVE REFRESHMENTS, UM, BEFORE WE START. 
          UM, BUT THE MEETING'S REALLY GONNA BE SORT OF A RE REINTRODUCTION TO THE COALITION, UH, KIND OF THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETINGS, UH, GET ACQUAINTED WITH NEW MEMBERS OF O H P STAFF, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POLICY AND PROCESS. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WILL BE LISTENING TO YOU ALL TO HEAR, UH, WHAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT AT FUTURE MEETINGS. 
          SO IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT DEMOLITION REVIEW FOR INSTANCE, WE CAN PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT PROCESS AND POLICY RELATED TO THAT ITEM IS. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A GROUP OF, UH, VOLUNTEER, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SABINO IS ONE OF THEM. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE REALLY LEANED ON THEM TO KIND OF, UH, PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR, UH, THE ORGANIZATION OF THESE MEETINGS. 
          AND WE HOPE TO DO CONTINUE THAT, UH, HERE IN THE FUTURE IN THE NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEMS WITH FIRST 
          [Approval of Minutes]
THE APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM AUGUST, I BELIEVE 18TH. 
          SO DO I NEED A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR AUGUST 17TH? 17TH? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I RECOMMEND THE MINUTES FOR, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE, UM, MINUTES FOR THE AUGUST 17TH DATE. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          . 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ENC CERVANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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YOU. 
          UM, FROM NOW WE CAN DIRECT OUR ATTENTION TO, UM, THE ITEMS ON THE SCREEN, WHICH ARE, WHICH IS OUR, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UH, ONE THROUGH 14. 
          UH, WE HAVE A FEW VOICEMAILS TO PLAY, UM, IN SUPPORT OF ONE ITEM. 
          AND THEN I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEAR THOSE NOW. 
          HI, THIS IS YVONNE DAVILA AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE HOME AT 9 0 5 WEST AGITA. 
          I'M THE NEIGHBOR AT 9 1 1 AND, UH, WEST AGARITA. 
          I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE OWNERS HAVE MAINTAINED THE ORIGINAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE, SO MUCH SO THAT IT'S ONE OF THE BEST KEPT CLASSIC STRUCTURES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THE HOME IS AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HISTORICAL DESIGN IS WHAT DREW US TO THAT BLOCK TO SEARCH FOR OUR OWN HOME. 
          THE HOME'S EXTERIOR DESIGN 
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FITS IN BEAUTIFULLY WITH THE BEACON HILL NEIGHBORHOOD AMBIANCE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I DO NOT HAVE AN ITEM NUMBER, BUT I DO HAVE THE ADDRESS. 
          AGAIN, IT'S 9 0 5 WEST AGARITA. 
          MY NAME IS YVONNE DAVILA, D A B I L A. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 9 1 1 WEST AGARITA, AND I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 9 0 5 WEST AGARITA AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YES, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS CATHERINE MARIE TEAGUE. 
          I AM THE HOMEOWNER AT 9 0 2 WEST AGARITA 7 8 2 0 1. 
          I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A HOME THAT IS SEEKING LANDMARK DESIGNATION, 9 0 5 WEST AGARITA. 
          I AM CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGNATION. 
          THE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS HAVE DONE AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB TAKING A DILAPIDATED HARD LIVING, WORN OUT OLD HOME, AND POLISHING UP. 
          ITS OUT EXTERIOR, MAKING INCREDIBLE REPAIRS AND RESTORATION. 
          MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT HAS TURNED THIS NE THIS HOME INTO A REAL JEWEL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M VERY PROUD TO LOOK OUT MY WINDOW EVERY SINGLE DAY AND SEE THIS HOME AND UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT TO MAKE IT SHINE AND HOPE THAT THE H D R C UH, TEAM WILL ALSO AGREE THAT IT DESERVES THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          PLEASE CONTACT ME AT 4 1 5 6 6 7, ALL THE VOICEMAILS WE HAVE. 
          UM, DO COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 13 AND I'LL RECUSE ON ITEM FIVE, PLEASE. 
          SO THAT ONE WILL REMAIN, I THINK IF YOU WANNA RECUSE FROM THE FULL CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, I, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT. 
          CAN YOU, UM, HIGHLIGHT ITEM 13 ON THE SCREEN? SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, IF YOU WANNA RECUSE NOW, THEN I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE DISCUSSION. 
          WE WILL LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS LEFT THE ROOM FOR RECUSAL. 
          AND AT THIS TIME I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINING CASES. 
          MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMAINING CASES WITH THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THESE CASES? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE HAVE SOME OF THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE HERE IN PERSON FOR SOME OF 'EM THAT ARE FOR CONSENT. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY WITH THEM. 
          THEY'VE REVIEWED THE PROCESS. 
          ARE THERE ANY APPLICANTS THAT DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEING PROVIDED TO THEM BY THE STAFF? AND JUST A REMINDER THAT'S PART OF HOW WE, UH, PLACE ITEMS ON THE AGENDAS. 
          WE CONFIRM BEFORE WE POST THAT THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT OF STAFF STIPULATIONS BEFORE WE POST 'EM ON THE AGENDA. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SUPER. 
          I THINK WE'RE STAFF ARE READY FOR A VOTE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH. 
          FISH. 
          AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER IS RECUSED ANTE? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 9 0 5 WEST AGARITA. 
          33 0 4 BROADWAY, UH, 2 22 SOUTH ALAMO 1 0 4 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, 7 0 3 MISSION ROAD, 3 26 RIVERSIDE, EIGHT 15 EQUIPMENT 2 33 DELAWARE, 2 0 6 LAVACCA 9 27 WEST MULBERRY, 2 0 7 HERMAN, AND 2 28 BARRERA. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          SO NOW WE'RE HERE ITEM 13, WHICH WAS PULLED BY COMMISSIONER SABINO FOR DISCUSSION. 
          AND I, 
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I THINK WE HAVE THE APPLICANT IN PERSON, GEORGE CASTILLO. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ONLINE AS WELL? I DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          UM, THE REASON WHY I PULLED THIS, UM, MR. CHAIR IS BECAUSE, UM, I AM LOOKING FOR A COUPLE MORE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION. 
          I BELIEVE THE EAST AND THE WEST ELEVATIONS, UM, COULD USE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION AND ALSO WHERE YOU'RE ADDING OR WHERE THE ADDITION OCCURS RELATIVE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, WE NEED A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. 
          UH, THE CASE DOESN'T THE CASE NOR THE DRAWINGS TALK ABOUT A DISTINGUISHING FEATURE, WHETHER IT'S A SETBACK OR A TRIM BOARD. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UM, ADD IN OUR STIPULATIONS WHEN IT'S TIME TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO, UH, ADD A STIPULATION FOR A TRIM BOARD DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW AND, UH, FENESTRATION ON THE SECOND, UM, SECOND FLOOR EAST ELEVATION, FIRST FLOOR, WEST ELEVATION. 
          I THINK I HAVE THAT. 
          AND MR. MR. CASTILLO, ARE YOU, UM, AMENABLE TO THAT? YES. 
          TO THE ADDING OF THOSE. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENT ON THIS CASE? OKAY. 
          UM, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. 
          IF THE APPLICANT IS AMENABLE TO THOSE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS, I I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINA WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SUCH A MOTION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          IS IS THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE? YES, HE'S HERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT DIRECTLY. 
          UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME, MR. APPLICANT? YES, SIR. 
          UH, THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE EXTRA WINDOWS, UH, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOUR PLAN IN THE INTERIOR? YES, WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES OF FRAMING EVERYTHING, SO WE CAN MAKE IT, UH, FIT AS, AS REQUIRED OR AS REQUESTED. 
          AWESOME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          NO MORE QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, I'LL MAKE A MO. 
          I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          AND TO ADD NUMBER FOUR TO ADD DISTINGUISHING, UH, UM, TRIM BOARD BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW EDITION ON BOTH SIDES, EAST AND WEST ELEVATION. 
          AND STIPULATION NUMBER FIVE TO ADD A WINDOW ON THE, OH, I HOPE I CAN REMEMBER THIS. 
          IS IT SECOND FLOOR EAST ELEVATION AND GROUND FLOOR, WEST ELEVATION? YES, MA'AM. 
          SECOND, MR. CHAIR. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, I'LL UH, ASK FOR A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          ENC CERVANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS BRINGS 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION
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US TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 382 10 24 DAWSON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 10 24 DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED THE DAWSON ALLEY DESIGNED TO FEATURE A TRADITIONAL PORCH ELEMENT RATHER THAN A CANTILEVERED ELEMENT IS NOTED IN FINDING I AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS IN NEW CONSTRUCTION IS NOTED IN FINDING H AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, THE APPLICANT, MR. MARK FLYNN IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN TO D R C TWICE I BELIEVE. 
          UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE A D R C UPDATE, UH, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THERE'S ALSO NOTES IN YOUR PACKET. 
          SO, MR. FLYNN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YOU, I JUST MADE A PANELIST. 
          THERE'S A CALL-IN NUMBER. 
          UM, SO I DON'T SEE YOUR NAME. 
          I JUST SEE A PHONE NUMBER THAT STARTS WITH A 2 1 4. 
          UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO HEAR YOU, YOU'LL NEED TO DIAL STAR SIX. 
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SO IF YOUR CALLER TWO AREA CODE 2 1 4, YOU'LL NEED TO HIT DIAL STAR SIX. 
          IF YOU'RE MARK FLYNN, THIS APPLICANT HAD PREVIOUSLY JOINED, UM, WITH THE CAMERA. 
          UM, SO MAYBE I CAN EMAIL HIM TO SEE IF HE'S STILL PLANNING TO JOIN AND WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE. 
          IF, IF HE'S NOT ON RIGHT NOW, YOU WANNA TABLE THIS? YES. 
          LET'S, UH, TABLE THIS AND COME BACK WITH THE APPLICANT'S AVAILABLE. 
          NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 41 1 30 HOFFEN. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FENCING AND WALL DESIGN AT ONE 30 HOFFEN LOCATED WITHIN THE ST. 
          PAUL SQUARE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          CURRENTLY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FOR THE PROPOSED FENCING AND WALLS TO EXCEED SIX FEET AND HEIGHT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED HEIGHT OF SIX FEET BE ADHERED TO AS NOTED IN FINDING C. 
          WE HAVE THE APPLICANT'S FROM FORD, POWELL, AND CARSON HERE WITH US IN PERSON. 
          THANKS. 
          GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YES, UH, MARK HENDERSON WITH FORD POWELL AND CARSON JOHN GOSSLER WITH FORD POWELL. 
          CARSON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW ADDITIONAL PHOTOS WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT AS WELL. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ARROWS HERE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AM I ABLE TO ZOOM IN AS WELL? UH, I CAN IT FOR YOU. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE REPRESENTING, UH, A T G, UH, AMBASSADOR THEATER GROUP WHO IS WORKING ON A, UH, THE SB THEATER AT ST. 
          PAUL'S SQUARE. 
          AND, UM, THIS WILL BE AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT VENUE FOR THE MOST PART. 
          AND, UM, THE, THE FENCES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, I THINK THE MAIN, THE MAIN, UH, PUSH THAT WE'RE GOING FOR IS, IS FOR SECURITY. 
          YOU KNOW, TRYING, TRYING TO SECURE THE VENUE, UM, STOP THE PASSAGE OF FIREARMS, DIFFERENT CONTRABAND INTO THE, TO THE VENUE ITSELF. 
          AND, UM, LOOKING AT EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE THINK THAT, UM, WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE, UH, ONE FOOT HIGHER THAN WHAT IS EXISTING ON SITE. 
          AND ALSO THE, THE SITE DOES, UM, SLOPE TOWARDS THE SOUTHWEST. 
          UM, WHICH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR US, I MEAN, PER U D C WOULD ALLOW US TO POTENTIALLY KEEP THE FENCE AT, AT A LITTLE BIT HIGHER HEIGHT TOWARDS THAT SLOPED AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE START WITH SIX FEET AND JUST EXTEND THE FENCE AS, AS GRADES SLOPES AWAY, UM, U D C ALLOWS UP TO AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE IN THAT SITUATION. 
          SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR, OUR EXISTING FENCE ON TOP THERE. 
          UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL FENCE THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE WITH A SIX FOOT, UH, PERFORATED METAL FENCE. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY, UH, H D R C. 
          UH, THE QUESTION REALLY IS THE FENCE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, REPLACING THAT, THAT, UM, SORT OF SHORT WALL AND THE METAL FENCE ABOVE IT WITH A SOLID FENCE. 
          UM, AND, AND CURRENTLY THAT FENCE IS SHOWN AT, OR, OR EXISTING ON SITE IS SIX FOOT ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE AND UP TO, UH, SEVEN FOOT TWO ON THE, UM, FAR RIGHT SIDE WITH, WITH THE SCALE FIGURE THERE. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPOSED WALLS DOWN BELOW, UM, WE SHOW THAT, THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A, A DASH LINE THERE, A RED DASH LINE THAT WOULD INDICATE, UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING FENCE THAT WE'RE REPLACING. 
          SO ONE FOOT ABOVE THAT FENCE IS REALLY WHERE WE'D LIKE TO BE. 
          IT'S ABOUT EIGHT FOOT, UH, TWO, WHICH AL ALSO MATCHES EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST ADJACENT TO THIS, THIS LOCATION HERE, UM, LEMME SEE IF I HAVE, CAN YOU ZOOM YES. 
          MAYBE UPPER RIGHT JUST A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SO YOU SEE THE FENCE THERE. 
          UM, WE ARE TRYING TO, TO REUSE THE EXISTING LOW WALL, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SHOWN IN, IN GRAY THERE. 
          SO THE EXISTING, UM, PLASTER LOW WALL THAT'S THERE, WE WOULD BUILD ON TOP OF IT. 
          SO USING EXISTING CONDITIONS, BUT THEN, UM, CREATING A SOLID WALL AGAIN FOR SECURITY. 
          THE MAIN, THE MAIN FEATURE THERE TO STOP CONTRABAND FROM BEING PASSED THROUGH. 
          AND THEN, UM, WE INTRODUCE, UH, KIND OF A BRIA LEI, UM, A CLAY TILE UP AT THE TOP, UH, IN ORDER TO TAKE SOME OF THAT SOLID, SOLID, UM, FEEL OUT OF THE WALL, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, A DECORATIVE ELEMENT, SOME SCALE TO THE WALL AS WELL. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THE WALL WOULD START AT, UH, WE SHOW IT AT SEVEN FOOT, THIS NEW WALL STARTING AT SEVEN FOOT. 
          AND THEN AS IT MOVES TOWARDS, UH, PLAN, RIGHT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD EXTEND UP TO, UH, EIGHT FOOT TWO TO MATCH THE EXISTING WALL HEIGHT THERE. 
          LET ME, LET ME MENTION A LITTLE BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, UH, THE WALL ITSELF 
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RIGHT NOW WITH THE OPEN FENCE ALLOWS PEOPLE TO STAND OUTSIDE THE VENUE AND WATCH PERFORMANCES IN THE OPEN AIR PAVILION. 
          AND WITH THIS SOLID WALL, IT'LL OBSCURE THAT, AND WITH THE BREEZE LAY, IT'LL FOCUS THE ATTENTION PERPENDICULAR TOWARDS THE DEPOT, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, BUT WON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO LOOK AT AN ACUTE ANGLE TOWARDS THE STAGE. 
          SO THE DESIGN OF THE WALL IS SUCH THAT IT CREATES A SENSE OF SCALE AND REPEATS MATERIALS FROM THE HISTORIC DEPOT, THE RED CLAY TILE, UH, A WAINS COAT ELEMENT AND JUST KIND OF BREAKS UP THE SPACE RATHER THAN A SOLID WALL. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THERE ARE PRECEDENCE IN THESE AREAS. 
          IF YOU'LL ZOOM INTO THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THIS PAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU CAN SEE. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY THE WALL IN QUESTION NOW, UM, YOU CAN SEE IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE, BUT THE, THE RED LETTERING ON THERE. 
          SO SIX FOOT ON THE FAR LEFT SIDE, AND THERE IS A ROUGHLY ONE FOOT CHANGING GRADE THAT INCREASES THAT WALL HEIGHT UP TO SEVEN FOOT TWO AS IT MOVES TOWARDS THE, UM, SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE. 
          AND THERE IS THAT EXISTING EIGHT FOOT TWO WALL THAT WILL REMAIN ON SITE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING THE NEW WALL UP AGAINST THAT EIGHT FOOT TWO WALL AND THEN EXTENDING, UM, OUT TOWARDS THE KIND OF THE NORTH, THE NORTH SIDE THERE. 
          SO REALLY USING EXISTING CONDITIONS. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, IF YOU'LL GO TO, MAYBE I CAN PAN TO IT. 
          UM, UPDATED. 
          YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA PULL UP SOME EXISTING CONTEXT WITH ST. 
          PAUL SQUARE, WHERE THERE ARE SEVERAL YEAH. 
          UM, THAT IMAGE YOU JUST HAD. 
          YEAH, SO JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS AREA IN ST. 
          PAUL SQUARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE SAME MATERIALITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT, UM, THE WALL HEISTS VARY FROM, YEAH, SIX FOOT FOUR, THAT METAL FENCE UP TO EIGHT FOOT FOUR IN SOME AREAS, AND THE PLASTER WALL ITSELF, FOOT TWO UP TO NINE FOOT FOUR, EVEN AT THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE ITSELF. 
          SO THERE IS, THERE IS SOME PRECEDENCE FOR THE WALL BEING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN, UM, SIX FEET PER RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THE OTHER THING A T G WOULD LIKE TO STRESS IS THAT THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A PUBLIC PARK AND THE U D C ALLOWS EIGHT FOOT FENCES IN PUBLIC PARKS. 
          SO YES, IT'S A VENUE, IT'S A HIGH SECURITY AREA, BUT THE U D C AL ALREADY PROVIDES, UM, AN EXCEPTION FOR AN ATRIAL FENCE. 
          SO WE, WE FELT LIKE MAYBE SOMETHING SENSITIVE. 
          CAN YOU STEP INTO THE MIC FOR THE STREAM? SO I, OH YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY, WE JUST . 
          THANKS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, WHERE WAS I?  THE, UH, THE U D C ALREADY PROVIDES, UH, FOR PUBLIC PARKS TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH FENCE. 
          AND, UH, THE AMBASSADOR THEATER GROUP THAT'S TAKEN THIS OVER WANTS HIGH SECURITY, BUT THEY SAID THAT IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE A PARK BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. 
          SO WE FELT LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING WORTH MENTIONING AND SEE IF, UH, SEE IF Y'ALL AGREE TO THAT. 
          AND IN THIS HISTORIC AREA OF ST. 
          PAUL SQUARE, MARK WAS JUST SHOWING SOME OF THE IMAGES ARE ALREADY EIGHT FOOT HIGH WALLS IN THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AREA AND UP TO NINE FOOT HIGH. 
          SO THE WALLS ARE ALREADY EXISTING AND WE FELT LIKE EIGHT FOOT TWO WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH, ESPECIALLY IF IT HAS THE BRIZO LAY AT THE TOP. 
          UM, JUST A FEW OTHER COMMENTS THERE. 
          UH, IF I COULD GET CONTROL OF MAYBE SOME OF THE LAST PAGES. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THE OTHER WALLS IN QUESTION. 
          SO THERE'S THE SOUTHWEST WALL THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT, BUT ALSO A FEW WALLS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SITE. 
          UM, THAT WOULD BE THIS METAL FENCE THERE SHOWN AT SIX FOOT TWO EXISTING. 
          WE'D LIKE TO INSTALL A, UH, SOLID WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND THEN WHERE THOSE GATES ARE REPLACING THOSE GATES WITH SIX FOOT METAL GATES, UM, JUST TO AGAIN, PROVIDE SECURITY SO PEOPLE AREN'T WALKING UP AND PASSING THINGS THROUGH, THROUGH THAT AREA. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, THIS, UH, JUST ADJACENT TO THIS SOUTH FACADE AS WELL, UM, THERE ARE SOME SOLID WALLS THAT ARE SHOWN AT SIX FOOT, BUT AS GRADE CHANGES, UH, UP TO SIX FOOT SIX, AND THEN SOME METAL FENCES THAT ARE, UM, AROUND SIX FOOT, A LITTLE BIT UNDER SIX FOOT THAT WE, WE WOULD BE REPLACING WITH A SIX FOOT FENCE. 
          UM, AND IN, AND IN THIS AREA, A SOLID WALL OF ROUGHLY SIX FOOT SIX TO BASICALLY MATCH THE DATUM LINE THAT'S, THAT'S EXISTING WITH THAT, THAT SOLID WALL THAT YOU SEE THAT IT, YEAH. 
          AND THEN THE, THE U D C-SECTION THAT WE HAD, THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, THAT DOES ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, AS GREAT AS CHANGING UP TO A EIGHT FOOT WALL HEIGHT. 
          UM, AND, AND I, I KIND OF, AND I, I KIND OF THINK THAT'S WHERE, WHERE SOME OF OUR, OUR WALLS ARE FALLING INTO THIS, THIS EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? OKAY, SO JUST A REMINDER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, THE KIND OF THE RHYTHM THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO HERE IN MORE IN KEEPING WITH ROBERT'S RULES, THE APPLICANTS ARE GONNA 
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PRESENT. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'LL OPEN UP FOR, UH, QUESTIONS FOR EACH OF YOU, AND I'LL DO THAT THROUGH A ROTATING METHOD SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER FETZER DID. 
          BUT, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE, UH, CHAIRMAN'S, UH, PREROGATIVE HERE AND JUST ASK, UH, A FIRST ONE, THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN THAT'S SHOWN ON SHEET 12 IN THE, IN THE PACKAGE WITH THE, UH, TILE BREEZE DELAY, IS THAT INTENDED TO GO FULL FOR THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROPOSED WALL, OR IS IT ONLY THAT 31 COVER SHEET FEET THAT WE'RE SEEING? NO, THE COVER SHEET 30 FEET, IT'LL SHOW, WE'LL SHOW YOU X IN THE METRIC HERE. 
          THIS, THIS SHOWS THE, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE ACCIDENT. 
          THIS SHOWS THE OVERALL PROPERTY AND ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE'S A SERIES OF PERFORATED, UH, FENCES THAT ARE SIX FOOT HIGH. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE SOLID MASSIVE WALL WITH THE DOOR IN IT. 
          UM, JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE DOOR, EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT IS EXISTING FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DOOR BACK TOWARDS THE PERFORATED METAL PANELS IS WHERE WE'RE SUGGESTING HAVING THE, UH, THE OPAQUE WALL WITH THE, UH, BRIZO LAY AT THE TOP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          UM, COM COMMISSIONER GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I DO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, FIRST A COUPLE COMMENTS AND THEN I'LL GET INTO THE QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED, UM, PASSING THINGS THROUGH A COUPLE TIMES. 
          YOU MENTIONED CONTRABAND, YOU MENTIONED WEAPONS, UM, AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE DESIGN, RAISE THE FENCE BECAUSE OF THIS REASON. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UM, THIS IS A PUBLIC PARK. 
          THEN YOU SAID, WELL, LIKE A PUBLIC PARK, WE MAKE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BUT THEN YOU SAID IT'S LIKE A PARK, SO I'M KIND OF CONFUSED. 
          SO, UM, JUST GOING BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION, THE WEAPONS CONTRABAND, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A CONTINUAL PROBLEM WITH THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, WHY YOU'RE WANTING TO DO THIS? ANY OF THESE OUTDOOR VENUES THAT HAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, UH, ARE HIGH SECURITY, UH, AREAS. 
          AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, BE PROACTIVE IN PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM HANDING SOMETHING OVER THE TOP OF A FENCE. 
          UH, THE SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE FRONT WILL HAVE GUARDS AROUND IT TOWARDS THE BACK. 
          THIS AREA'S A LITTLE BIT MORE VULNERABLE AND NOT AS EASILY SECURED. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE SUGGESTED THE HEIGHT BE INCREASED. 
          IT IS LIKE A PUBLIC PARK AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL BE USING IT AND THEY WANT THE ACTIVITY OF LOTS OF PEOPLE, BUT UNLIKE A PARK, THIS IS A SECURE VENUE AND THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND SCREEN PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THE VENUE. 
          SO IT'S ALL PUBLIC SAFETY IS, IS THE MAIN CONCERN FROM A T G. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I FOLLOW YOU ON THE SECURITY PART, UM, BUT MY INITIAL QUESTION, 'CAUSE I'VE, I'VE ATTENDED MANY, MANY EVENTS AT THIS VENUE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PASSING THINGS THROUGH. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE, YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A CONCERN OR YOU MENTIONED BECAUSE IT'S, UH, IT'S IN PUBLIC EVENT SPACE, SO YOU WANNA HAVE THAT THERE, BUT IS THERE, OR HAS THERE BEEN PROBLEMS WITH THAT IN THE PAST? THIS IS A NEW, UH, VENUE. 
          SO THESE PEOPLE HAVEN'T USED THIS SPACE BEFORE, BUT THEY'VE GOT PLACES ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          THEY CURRENTLY OCCUPY THE, UH, OR MANAGE THE MAJESTIC THEATER AND THE EMPIRE THEATER AND SECURITY IS A, A HUGE CONCERN FOR THEM, FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          SO PART OF THE SECURITY CONSULTANT THAT THEY'VE HIRED HAD SUGGESTED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING PERIMETER AND THE EXISTING PERIMETER, THE WAY IT IS NOW, HAS FOUR FOOT WIDE OPEN PICKETS THAT ANYBODY CAN HAND ANYTHING THROUGH. 
          AND THAT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE. 
          THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO THE PERFORATED METAL SCREEN FENCE AT THE FRONT AND TOWARDS THE BACK WE'RE SUGGESTING A SOLID WALL AND WE'RE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE ABOUT THE SCALE AND THE HEIGHT, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT THE BREEZE LAY ACTUALLY HAS ON THE BACKSIDE A WIRE MESH, SO SOMETHING CAN'T BE HANDED THROUGH THOSE OPEN TILES. 
          SO IT STILL ALLOWS VISIBILITY THROUGH, BUT SOMEBODY COULDN'T HAND ANYTHING THROUGH. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU MR. GIBB. 
          UH, MR. FISH, TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THE FIRST, UM, RELATES TO THE ZONING. 
          DO YOU, UH, BELIEVE THAT THIS PROPOSAL, UH, DOES NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE AS IT'S PROPOSED? UM, YEAH. 
          WE, WE, WE, WE BELIEVE PER THE U D C THAT THIS WOULD BE PERMITTED, UM, USING, USING THAT, UH, 35 5 1 4 2 
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C I FORGET THE EXACT EXCERPT, BUT YES, UM, WE BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE PER THAT U D C SECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE BRI SOLAY SEGMENT THAT MAKES THE WALL LESS MASSIVE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THAT COULD BE EXTENDED OR IS IT, IS IT BEING PRESENTED IN A LIMITED WAY FOR OTHER SPECIFIC REASONS? NO, IT CERTAINLY COULD BE EXTENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL OF MY QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU MR. FISH. 
          MR. VINNO, NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. VELASQUEZ. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, UH, IS IT, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THERE TO BE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT, OR THIS IS JUST QUESTIONS PRIMARILY FACT FINDING QUESTIONS, FILLING OUT WHAT ISN'T IN THE, UM, IN, IN THE PACKAGE THAT'S CLEAR OR THAT HASN'T BEEN CLEAR IN THE, UH, APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME THERE. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THEY MAY BE RELYING ON SOME QUESTIONS. 
          ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY SEEMS TO BE, UM, THAT IT, THAT IT HAS OTHER OPERATIONS IN THAT ARE ALSO LEASING THAT ENVIRONMENT AS WELL, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S A RESTAURANT IN THERE, THERE ARE OTHER TENANTS YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OR IS THIS THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THIS ALL GONNA BE, UH, THERE ARE OTHER TENANTS, ALTHOUGH THEIR OPERATION WILL BE SEPARATE FROM THIS, UM, THEY WILL USE SOME OF THE EGRESS PATHS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY ARE SECLUDED FROM THIS EVENT. 
          DURING, DURING AN ACTUAL VENUE, THEY WILL BE SECLUDED FROM USING, UM, THIS GROUNDS. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT HAVE, HAVE THERE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY SURVEY OF ADVERSE EFFECTS TO THE OTHER BUSINESSES AT TIMES WHEN THERE ISN'T A VENUE? BECAUSE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, THAT ENVIRONMENT IS VERY CUT OFF, ALMOST OVERLY CUT OFF. 
          SO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED SEEMS TO BE ALMOST ENTIRELY CUT OFF. 
          AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF DUE DILIGENCE, DONE ANY, ANY SURVEYING WITH RESPECT TO, UM, POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS TO FUTURE LEASERS OR CURRENT LEASING LEASERS? I THINK IF WE WENT TO THE FLOOR PLAN, WE COULD MAYBE SHOW, UH, THAT THERE'S THE DEPOT ONE, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC DEPOT ON THE FAR LEFT CORNER, THAT'S A SEPARATE VENUE AND IT DOESN'T TAKE THIS YARD INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          IT HAS ITS OWN EXIT PATHS, OWN ENTRIES OPERATES AT A NIGHTCLUB AS A NIGHTCLUB. 
          UH, THESE OTHER WHAT ABOUT LIKE ACOS, THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT IN THERE AND THAT'S, THAT'S MOVED OUT. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS A GREAT PLACE, WASN'T IT? UM, BUT, BUT, BUT IN, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY I SAY IN TERMS OF VCS OR, YEAH, THAT'S A CATERING KITCHEN RIGHT NOW. 
          AND A T G HAS HAS OPTIONS TO ADD THAT TO THEIR SPACE. 
          BUT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC VENUE, IT'S A CATERING KITCHEN. 
          IT HAS ACCESS AND SEPARATE, UH, SERVICES OFF THE BACKSIDE TOWARDS THE RAILROAD TRACKS. 
          SO NONE OF THESE VENUES ARE IMPACTED BY THIS YARD, THIS NEW VENUE WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING IN THE FRONT. 
          IT'S, IT'S ONE TENANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. UH, QUESTIONS THERE, MR. CHAIR? GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS THERE. 
          UH, MR. ZUKA, PLEASE. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED MINE AND, UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER UH, FISH ANTICIPATED ONE OF MY COMMENTS. 
          UH, MR. ANTES? YES. 
          JUST VERY QUICKLY, UM, AND YOU PROBABLY SPELLED IT OUT, BUT I'M JUST NOT SEEING IT. 
          HOW MANY OF THESE FENCES THAT ARE INGRESS, EGRESS, EGRESS ROUTES ARE YOU PLANNING ON CONVERTING TO SOLID WALL? AND THEN WHAT MECHANISMS DO YOU HAVE FOR EMERGENCY E EGRESS? I KNOW YOU, I SAW A PANIC CONTROLS OR PANIC SETTINGS THERE. 
          CAN YOU ELABORATE SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE? YES. 
          UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LIFE SAFETY CONSULTANT ON THE JOB, AND THEY HAVE DONE A LIFE SAFETY ASSESSMENT. 
          UM, SO WE'VE LOOKED AT EXITING REQUIREMENTS AND WE, UH, EXCEED EXIT REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE, THE GIVEN OCCUPANCY OF THIS SPACE. 
          SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, UM, EGRESS WISE, WE'RE PROVIDING MORE THAN, MORE THAN IS NEEDED AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE MECHANISMS? AND WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A, THERE'S A PANIC? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO ALL OF THE, THE GATES, UM, THAT ARE ON AN EGRESS PATH WILL BE, WILL BE PROVIDED WITH PANIC HARDWARE PER REQUIREMENTS FROM FROM I B 
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C, UM, BEING THAT THIS ISN'T ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY, SO THEY WILL BE PROVIDED, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICATIONS SHOWN, BUT WE COULD PROVIDE THAT IF NEED BE. 
          WE HAVE THE SPECIFIED HARDWARE FOR THESE GATES. 
          SO YEAH. 
          THE REASON I ASK, DID YOU SEE SOME OF THE GATES ON SOME OF THE PICTURES YOU PROVIDED? THEY WERE, WHERE THEY'RE DOUBLE SWINGING, THEY'RE BOTH GATES OPEN. 
          IS THAT STILL GONNA BE THE CASE IF YOU WALL IT UP? YES. 
          YEAH, THAT'LL STILL BE THE CASE. 
          AND WE, AND WE'VE, UM, DESIGNED IT SO THAT THERE'S A CENTER ASTRO SO THAT BOTH OF THE GATES CAN CLOSE IN AND BE SECURED BY THIS CENTER ASTRO. 
          UH, SO THERE WOULD JUST BE SOLID GATES IN. 
          IS IS, YEAH, WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF BOTH SOLID GATES AND, UM, PERFORATED METAL GATES, BUT IT'S ALL METAL GATES. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, UM, ENTERTAINING MOTION CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'LL TAKE A, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. 
          UM, I, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE BRI SOLE SEGMENT THAT REDUCES THE MASS OF THE WALL BE EXTENDED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT REASONABLY POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE VISUAL MASS OF THE WALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, THE INTEREST OF, UH, OF GETTING INTO THE DISCUSSION, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE MOTION IN THE SECOND. 
          NOW, UH, WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION, UH, MR. FISH, SINCE YOU DID THE MOTION, I'LL, UH, START OFF WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES TRANSFORM THE, THE, THE SPACE AND THE PERCEPTION OF THE SPACE, UH, QUITE A BIT GIVEN, UH, THE EXTENT OF THE SOLID ELEMENTS. 
          AND I DO HAVE SOME HESITATION ABOUT THE PROPOSAL. 
          I THINK THE BRI SOLE DOES, UH, IT GO, IT GOES QUITE A WAYS IN, IN REDUCING SOME OF THAT VISUAL MASS. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTS AND THE REASON FOR THOSE REQUESTS, SO I'M COMFORTABLE IN SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, PERHAPS THERE MIGHT BE A MORE TAILORED, UH, AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION ON REDUCTION OF THE VIS, UH, VISUAL MASS, UH, AS WE HAVE DISCUSSION HERE. 
          BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          THANK YOU MR. VELASQUEZ, YOU OFFERED THE SECOND. 
          DO YOU WISH TO COMMENT? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I, I FEEL OR, UH, IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL THAN IT DOES FOR A FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE, UM, THE, THE, THE DESIGN, JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAWING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A SOLUTION REALLY. 
          IT JUST APPEARS TO, UH, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE AN, A SOLUTION CONCERNED WITH THE AESTHETICS AND THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE OF THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO MORE AND MORE PUSHING THE AMTRAK, UM, UH, ASPECT OF IT FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE AS IF IT'S NOT EVEN THERE, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT, AND OTHER WAYS THAT THIS, THIS ENVIRONMENT IS, IS, UH, IS, UH, EXPERIENCED. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CONSIDERATION FOR A NEW TENANT COMING IN AND SAYING, HEY, EVERYTHING'S WONDERFUL, THAT WE COULD JUST CLOSE IT ALL IN. 
          THE REALITY IS THAT THE TENANT THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IT WITH A, A WAY TO, UM, NOT ONLY MITIGATE THE, THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT IT PERCEIVES, BUT IN DOING SO, SHOULD BE EQUALLY CONCERNED WITH THE AESTHETIC THAT IS CREATED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, CA C, CAN IT BE ACHIEVED WITH PLANTING? UH, CAN IT BE ACHIEVED WITH LESS IMPACTFUL? UM, YOU KNOW, DYNAMICS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA, UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE DIFFICULTY THAT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE KIDS, WE WOULD THROW A ROPE OFF OF THE SUNKEN GARDEN THEATER AND CLIMB DOWN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN MITIGATE CERTAIN ISSUES, BUT MOST DEFINITELY THE ENVIRONMENT EXISTS AT, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AS IT IS. 
          THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO IT. 
          'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOLUTIONS, BUT THOSE SOLUTIONS SHOULD BE EQUALLY WEIGHTED WITH, UM, THE COMMENT THAT WAS USED IS, IS, UH, ENHANCEMENT. 
          IT, IT ENHANCES SECURITY, BUT IT DOESN'T ENHANCE THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TWO THINGS, THE BEAUTY OF THE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND IT DOESN'T ENHANCE THE WAY THAT THAT NEWLY PROPOSED ENVIRONMENT, UH, UH, INTERACTS WITH THE REST OF THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          RIGHT? IT ALMOST CREATES A GREATER 
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WALL SEPARATION BETWEEN THAT WHOLE ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALONG THE LINES OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER GIBB WAS ASKING, THAT EVEN JUST BEING THERE OFTEN, AS WE ALL ARE, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY SAN ANTONIOS BEING THERE MORE OFTEN, WE CAN SEE HOW THE SPACE ALMOST DOESN'T WORK RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S CUT OFF. 
          UM, SO AS A CONCEPTUAL, UH, APPROVAL, I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR D R C AND FOR THERE TO BE MUCH, MUCH MORE VIGOROUS INVESTMENT IN DESIGN AS WELL AS THE SECURITY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE THOUGHTS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, YOU, YOU WERE INVOKED BY NAME ON THAT. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, UH, ELABORATE UPON OF YOUR CONCERNS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND I, I AGREE WITH BOTH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER FISH AND COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, AND, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ TOOK A LOT OF MY THOUGHTS ALREADY. 
          SO I'LL JUST ADD TO THE POINT THAT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT SPACE AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THIS WALL THERE, IT ALMOST MAKES IT UNINVITING. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN IN TRYING TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND THINGS OF THE NATURE, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE, THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE, ARE KIND OF PERCEIVED BECAUSE I, I ASKED YOU WAS THERE A PROBLEM AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU JUST RELEASED, SHARED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE NEW OWNER OR THINGS THE NATURE WANTS TO DO THIS AND BECAUSE OF THE HOME, OTHER VENUES. 
          SO I, I JUST HAVE AN OVERALL CONCERN WITH HOW THIS DESIGN IS. 
          I, I, I KIND OF GO ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER FISH, UM, WHERE WE TRYING TO DO IT AS, UM, LESS OBTRUSIVE AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL BE MORE INVITING WHILE STILL PROVIDING WHAT WILL BE NEEDED FOR SECURITY OR TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING A FREE SHOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MR. MAZUA, DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANY COMMENTS OR NO, I DON'T. 
          MS. SABINO? YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UH, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, UM, ALMOST EVERY ASPECT, UH, THIS IS A PLACE NOT JUST OF HISTORY, BUT IT'S ALSO BEEN DESIGNED AND REDESIGNED OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          AND SO WHAT I ESPECIALLY LIKE ABOUT IT AS BEING A NEARBY NEIGHBOR WHO CYCLES AND WALKS, I NEVER BRING MY CAR HERE. 
          SURE, THERE'S PARKING THERE FOR COMMUTERS, BUT, UM, I LOVE THE FACT THAT I CAN GO FROM THIS DESTINATION OVER TO THE ALAMO DOME ACROSS THE ELEVATED GRADE SEPARATED WALKWAY OVER TO THE HEMISPHERE PARK, CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THERE, WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS ENHANCE THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          SO THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT, AND THAT'S, UM, WHEN I SEE THIS, UM, I BEGIN TO SEE A BACK OF HOUSE CONDITION BEING CREATED IN A PLACE WHERE A BACK OF HOUSE CONDITION REALLY NEEDS A DIFFERENT APPROACH. 
          SO I, UM, I DO AGREE THAT, UM, A DIFFERENT DESIGN APPROACH TO THAT WALL, TO THAT EIGHT FOOT, WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE IS IN ORDER. 
          AND SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING THIS FOR A D R C AND TO LOOK AT SOME OTHER DESIGN OPTIONS TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT ALSO TO KEEP THIS FOR THE OTHER 80% OF THE TIME, A VERY OPEN AND PERMEABLE PLACE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK I HAVE TO DOUBLE DOWN ON EVERYTHING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IF YOU DO TAKE VEGETATIONAL APPROACH? WHAT IF YOU PUT MAYBE TEMPORARY WALLS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD DEPEND ON THE VENUE, BECAUSE I SEE THIS, THIS VENUE BEING USED. 
          YEAH. 
          I GET THE SECURITY CONCERNS RIGHTLY SO ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY NIGHT, YOU KNOW, 10 O'CLOCK, 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, HIGH DRAW, UH, ATTRACTION, UH, YOU KNOW, BIG CROWDS, YOU KNOW, BEER BEING SAID. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THEN I ALSO SEE THIS AS A, YOU KNOW, SATURDAY AFTERNOON, SUNDAY AFTERNOON TYPE EVENT EARLY, YOU KNOW, UH, MIDDAY WHERE THE WALL JUST KIND OF WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T LOOK LOOK TOO GOOD. 
          I, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE THIS A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS ON EVERYTHING THEY SAID, UM, AND PERHAPS MAYBE SOMETHING TEMPORARY OR SOMETHING THAT CAN MAYBE EASILY MOVED OR, OR VEGETATION OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE INVITING. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT I, I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OPERATIONAL SECURITY CONCERNS THAT'S NOT REALLY OUR, OUR VENUES, THE AESTHETICS OF IT. 
          AND I, I THINK THE, THE SUGGESTION THAT 
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THE BRIZO LEI BE CONTINUED ON A LARGER PORTION OF THE WALL, UH, MEETS TO THAT, UH, ISSUE OF KIND OF THE, UH, THE, THE HUMAN SCALE, UH, OF, OF THAT ELEMENT. 
          AND ALSO GIVE OF KIND OF A MORE CONSISTENT SORT OF, UH, BRANDING, IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT TERM OF THIS PRECINCT, RATHER THAN HAVE KIND OF A, A, A PATCHWORK OF SOME METAL GATES, SOME BREEZE LAYS SOME SOLID, SOLID WALLS. 
          SO FINDING A, A VOCABULARY FOR THE ENCLOSURE THAT, THAT KIND OF, UH, IS MORE OF A WORKHORSE FOR YOU. 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, AND I THINK I ALSO WOULD SUPPORT, UH, VELAZQUEZ'S, UH, COMMENT ABOUT AN AMENDMENT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER IT FORWARD ABOUT, UM, UH, PERHAPS HAVING THIS BE A, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO COME JOIN US FOR A D R C. 
          AND I'M LISTENING, LOOKING FOR WHETHER ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT AT THIS POINT. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, UH, OFFER AN AMENDMENT FORTH, UH, IF, IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION DIDN'T WANT RESEND HIS MOTION TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, THAT THAT, AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING APPROVED, THAT IT BE SENT TO A D R C IN PREPARATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BEFORE A FINAL APPROVAL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO REFER THIS TO A D R C. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON AN AMENDMENT TO THE, UH, ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND ALMA, PLEASE INTERRUPT ME IF I SAY ANYTHING WRONG, BUT THIS IS NOT AN AMENDMENT, THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION. 
          SO WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION. 
          IF IT PASSES, THEN THAT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE ORIGINAL MOTION, IS THAT CORRECT? OR WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION. 
          I, I SEE YOUR POINT. 
          IF, IF WE WERE AMENDMENT TO, INSTEAD OF HAVE, I MEAN, IF IT WERE A MOTION TO MAKE IT A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL RATHER THAN, THAN A FINAL APPROVAL, THEN THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT. 
          BUT INSTEAD, WHAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS CORRECT, IT HAS A DIFFERENT OUTCOME. 
          IT'S NOT AN APPROVAL, IT'S REFERRAL OUTCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THE MOVEMENT FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO APPROVE. 
          UM, AND THEN MR. VELASQUEZ, UH, MOTION IS REALLY A MOTION TO AMEND, HE'S SAYING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE D R C, ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID. 
          HE SAID TO YOU, SEND IT TO A D R C. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, IT'S PRIOR TO IT RECEIVING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? YES, IT IS. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          BUT I WAS HOPING THAT, I THINK THE EASIEST, EASIEST PATH IS FOR THE MOTION TO BE RESCINDED, PROVIDED THAT THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, THE FIRST MOTION, WOULD WISH TO POINT OF ORDER. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, I BELIEVE THE THE MOTION IS, UH, IS MADE AND SECONDED AND IT CANNOT BE RESCINDED AND CAN ONLY BE AMENDED BY A MOTION TO AMEND. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THE MAKER OF THE MOTION CAN ALWAYS RESCIND, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE THE CONCURRENCE OF THE SECONDED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          I THOUGHT MR. VELASQUEZ SAID HE WANTED TO MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND A D R C. 
          YES. 
          SO IF IT WAS A D R C AND THEN, AND THEN AFTER THE D R C COME BACK FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UM, THEN IT IS A SEPARATE ACTION, SO NO, NO, NO, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WAS ONLY MAKING A, A, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO SEND IT TO A G R C AND, AND, AND I ADDED, BUT IT'S NOT MATERIAL TO, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS JUST IN PREPARATION, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT AFTER THAT D R C THAT I WOULD, I'M, I'M ASKING REALLY RECOMMENDING TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY APPLY OR MAYBE EVEN ASKING STAFF TO DIRECT THEM TO APPLY FOR CONCEPTUAL. 
          OF COURSE, THEY CAN APPLY FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE TWO MORE STEPS. 
          SO, SO IN THE, IN THE AMENDMENT, IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO SEND IT TO A D R C BEFORE WE, WE TAKE ANY ACTION. 
          SO I, I BELIEVE IT'S A SEPARATE ACTION BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A CONTINUANCE TO A D R C THAN A MOVE TO, UM, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO TO CLEAN THIS UP, SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND, AND VOTE ON THE, UH, BASE MOTION AND THEN GO BACK TO, UH, HAVE A, HAVE A, A SEPARATE VOTE ON THIS ALTERNATE? YOU CAN, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE ALTERNATE FIRST. 
          IF THE ALTERNATE PASSES, THEN THAT SUPERSEDES THE INITIAL MOTION AND NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED. 
          IF THE ALTERNATE MOTION FAILS, THEN WE CAN TAKE UP DISCUSSION ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, OR SOMEBODY CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. 
          NO, NO, YOU HAVE A 
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MOTION, THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          IF THAT PASSES, THEN THAT'S IT. 
          IF THAT FAILS, THEN YOU CONSIDER THE ALTERNATE MOTION. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE, THE EASIEST ROUTE, IF THE MAKER OF THE FIRST MOTION AGREES, AND THE SECOND OF COURSE, THAT THEY RESCIND THE MOTION, AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO SEND IT TO D R C WITHOUT THERE BEING THIS, THE NEXT, UH, WHETHER IT GOES CONCEPTUAL OR WHETHER IT GOES FOR FINAL. 
          SO, MR. CHAIR, I DEFER TO YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK THE MOVEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION, IF HE WOULD RESCIND HIS MOTION, THEN I GUESS I'LL DEFER TO YOU ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MR. FISH AND YOUR SECOND, UH, WOULD YOU, UH, BE WILLING TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I'M HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND SUPPORT THE MOVE TO A D R C IN THE INTERIM, IF THAT'S THE CLEANEST WAY TO HANDLE THE MOTIONS ON THE TABLE AND THE MR. VELASQUEZ, I OBVIOUSLY THINK THAT YOU WOULD SUPPORT THAT, RIGHT AS THE SECOND ? YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO NOW WE WILL GET TO, UM, A VOTE ON THE PROPOSED MOTION, WHICH TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE REFERRING THE PROJECT TO A D R C PRIOR TO RECEIVING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THAT? AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN NAVIGATING THROUGH THIS GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          NCE, ANTES? YES. 
          YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          GET WITH STAFF AND THEY'LL SCHEDULE A D R C, UH, IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I THINK THAT WE, WE WENT A LITTLE BIT OFF ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE HERE. 
          IT GOT A LITTLE, UM, CRAZY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. 
          UM, I SUGGEST MAYBE WE HAVE A, MAYBE GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN DISCUSS, BECAUSE I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT WHEN THE SECOND MOTION, UM, WAS, IS PRESENTED AND IT'S, UM, ALSO SECONDED, WE VOTE ON THE, THE SEC, THE SECOND MOTION, ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          AND THEN ONCE, IF THAT DOES PASS, THEN LIKE I SAID, IT SUPERSEDES THE FIRST ONE. 
          BUT THE WAY WE DID IT, YOU KNOW, ASKING THE MAKER OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO THEN, UM, RESCIND THAT MOTION, I THINK IT KIND OF THREW THINGS IN A, A LITTLE WAX. 
          SO IF, IF YOU AGREE, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE FINE WITH IT, I'M COOL, BUT IF JUST TO PREVENT THIS IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, AND I THINK, UM, FOR CONSISTENCY SAKE, LET'S TRY TO DO THAT WHERE WE'RE VOTING ON THE, UH, ON WHATEVER THE SECOND MOTION OR AMENDMENT IS MI MI, MR. CHAIR, JUST YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I I WANNA MAKE VERY CLEAR MY INTENT THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE PROCESS OF THE, OF THE O ORDER THAT, THAT WE USE, RIGHT? ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, THERE ARE RULES, AND THOSE RULES CAN BE USED HOWEVER, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO BE USED. 
          THERE IS NO RULE AGAINST USING THE RULES, RIGHT? SO IT'S AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THERE'S MANY WAYS TO USE IT TO FACILITATE TIMELINESS. 
          MY, MY INFORMING HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO DO WITH EDUCATING THAN IT HAS TO DO WITH, LIKE SUGGESTING THAT IF WE ALL REMEMBER THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IF THERE'S A MOTION THAT IS, IF THERE'S A, A MOTION THAT IS SUGGESTED THAT THAT, THAT MOVES US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE THE MAKER OF A MOTION HAS THE POWER TO RESCIND A MOTION IN THE INTEREST OF TIME IF THE MAKER OF THAT MOTION AGREES WITH, WITH WHATEVER THE CONVERSATION IS. 
          SO THE INTENT IS REALLY NOT, NOT TO INTERRUPT THE, THE, THE FLOW OR THE REGULAR PROCESSES, BUT TO, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT IF WE PROPOSE SOMETHING AND THEN THE LIGHT BULB GOES OFF AND WE SAY, AHA, BUT THEN THERE'S ONE ROUTE, IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ROUTE THAT SHOULD THE MAKER, THE MOTION AND THE SECOND SAY, YEAH, I AGREE, THEY CAN RESEND AND WE CAN MOVE ON BUSINESS RIGHT AWAY. 
          IT'S NOT CONTRARY TO ANY RULE, IT'S JUST IN THE INTEREST OF, OF, OF TIMELINESS. 
          SO, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ON THAT, THAT, THAT THERE REALLY IS NO WAY TO SAY, WELL, LET'S DO THIS BECAUSE ANY, ANY COMMISSIONER COULD RESCIND BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR POWER TO DO, RIGHT? UH, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IT FOLLOWS THE, THE RULES OF DOING SUCH. 
          SO, SO IT'S JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIMELINESS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO DISRUPT ANYTHING. 
          IT'S JUST 
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A METHOD TO GET THROUGH AND FAST. 
          OKAY? UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND APPRECIATE THE PERSPECTIVE AND, AND, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING ROBERT'S RULES IS THAT A MOTION CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW AND THEY CAN EVEN AMEND THEIR OWN MOTION. 
          ALRIGHT? SO, AND MAYBE THAT MIGHT MIGHT'VE BEEN THE, THE EASIER ROUTE TO THAT. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL LEARNING HOW TO PLAY IN THE SANDBOX HERE. 
          OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE THEN. 
          AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE ON THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TO MR. FLYNN, UM, I'VE MADE YOU A PANELIST. 
          UM, SINCE YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, YOU'LL NEED TO DIAL STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. 
          OKAY, EDWARD, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND READ THE CASE? UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE BACK TO, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15. 
          UH, IT'S 10 24. 
          DAWSON. 
          UH, WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE THE REQUEST AND RECOMMENDATION REREAD INTO THE RECORD? UH, YES, IF REREAD THE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK JUST TO BE, ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 82 10 24 DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 10 24 DAWSON, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT, MR. MARK FLYNN, IS WITH US ON THE PHONE. 
          UH, AND AS I HAD PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE NOTES FROM TWO D R C SESSIONS, UH, THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKETS. 
          AND THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, SUBMITTED A REVISED, UH, DESIGN, UH, THAT ADDRESSES, UH, SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS. 
          MR. FLYNN? YES, SIR. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. 
          WE, MR. FLOOD, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TODAY. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS THEY'VE PROVIDED BEYOND WHAT I'VE SUBMITTED. 
          SO I'VE COME, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO LOG ON, BUT I JUST WASN'T ABLE TO. 
          UH, SO I'M CALLING IN, SO I, IF Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY HAD A DISCUSSION, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS. 
          I CAN, UH, MR. FLYNN, I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH. 
          UH, SO BASICALLY WE HAVE YOUR DE IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE LIVE SCREEN, THE LIVE STREAM, EXCUSE ME, UH, WE HAVE YOUR UPDATED ELEVATIONS. 
          UM, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE ONE COMMENT, AND THIS WAS GONE OVER AT D R C, WAS STAFF'S, UH, REQUEST FOR YOU TO ADD A PORCH. 
          UM, I BELIEVE YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR SETBACK, UH, THUS REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN THE BACKYARD. 
          UM, IF IT'S STILL CORRECT, YOU SAID THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE AN ISSUE MEETING THE STANDARDS THAT WE SET FORTH FOR THE WINDOWS. 
          UH, SO I BELIEVE THE ONLY DISCUSSION HERE IS, UH, STAFF'S PREVIOUS REQUEST, AND IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THE DIAGRAM THAT I DREW OUT FOR YOU ABOUT ADDING THE FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, SO IF YOU WANTED TO GO OVER YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ADDING OF THE FRONT PORCH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO ADDRESS THE, UH, UPDATES TO THE DESIGN THAT YOU'VE, UH, SUBMITTED. 
          UM, THAT INCLUDES ADDRESSING STAFF'S, OTHER PREVIOUS COMMENTS, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, THE ADDITION OF WINDOWS ON BOTH ELEVATIONS AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF A WINDOW ON THE INTERIOR ELEVATION OF THE LOT. 
          UH, AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO, UH, REVISED THE DESIGN, UH, FACING THE ALLEY. 
          UH, SO, UH, MR. FLYNN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER, UH, SOME UPDATES. 
          THE REASON WHY YOU REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT, UM, AND THE MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          UH, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING COMMENTS WERE PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED BY YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER THOSE AGAIN, UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO GIVE COMMISSIONERS HERE A REFRESHER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING ON MY SCREEN. 
          I'M, I'M ON THE PHONE, SO, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE LIVE STREAM, SO I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, THE REQUEST FOR LANDSCAPING, WE ADDRESSED THAT, I BELIEVE, ON THE CURRENT DRAWINGS. 
          THE REQUEST FOR THE, UH, IDENTIFYING THE TYPE OF DRIVE. 
          I BELIEVE WE ADDRESSED THAT AS WELL. 
          UM, WE INCREASED THE FRONT PORCH FROM THREE TO FIVE FEET AS REQUESTED. 
          UM, WE ADDED THE BACK WINDOW, THE OPERABLE BACK WINDOW TO THE BATHROOM AS REQUESTED. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE'VE ADJUSTED TO DESIGN TO MEET ALL OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING THAT I'M MISSING FROM YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS. 
          I THINK THE CURRENT DESIGNS YOU HAVE INCORPORATES ALL THOSE, UH, REQUESTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. FLYNN. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? WE DO. 
          OKAY. 
          POINT OF ORDER. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          WE'VE LOST QUORUM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE LOST COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ AND COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          I KNOW. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL TAKE A SHORT PAUSE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET FOLKS BACK WITH US. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ IS HERE. 
          WE DID RECEIVE ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE EZ, AND 
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I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 82, LOCATED AT 10 24 DAWSON STREET. 
          BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE, WE CANNOT COMMENT FURTHER THAN TO SAY THAT A TWO STORY BUILDING WOULD BE OVERPOWERING NEXT TO THE SINGLE STORY SMALL BUNGALOW HOUSES THAT SURROUND THIS PROPERTY. 
          THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD TIME, AT MINIMUM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS IN WHICH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. 
          THE D R C HAS MADE RECOMMENDED COMMENTS THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAVE BEEN MET, BUT WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR CLARIFICATION. 
          UH, THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET THAT WAS UPLOADED OR PUBLISHED WITH THE AGENDA. 
          UM, IN THIS REVIEW SET, MR. FLYNN, UH, IS THE SET THAT'S MARKED AUGUST 28TH, 2022. 
          M MR. CHAIR, UM, I'M WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO DISCUSSION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY SEEN THIS PROJECT. 
          YEAH, I WAS ABOUT TO ASK, UH, FOR, AND SINCE YOU WERE ONE OF THEM, UM, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ATTENDED THE H D R, UH, SORRY, THE, THE D R C ON THIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE A REPORT ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WENT ON AND THEN HOW THAT MIGHT, UH, MOVE FORWARD? WELL, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M, I GET A LITTLE CONFUSED WITH THE MEETINGS AND THE D R C, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I WAS IN THE D R C. 
          I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE PROJECT. 
          UM, AND, AND WHETHER IT WAS THE D C OR WHETHER IT WAS A COMMISSION MEETING, UM, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE, I I, I DO RECALL THAT THAT, UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS, UM, UM, REALLY BASED ON THE, ON THE, THE IDEA THAT THIS HOUSE SHOULD HAVE A PORCH. 
          AND I'M, I'M PER PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS TO THE D R C, I'M WOULDN'T SAY THAT I AGREED. 
          UM, IT, MY, MY COMMENTS TO THIS, UM, UH, APPLICANT HAVE BEEN THAT, THAT, THAT THE HOUSE IS, IS, UM, KINDA A SYMBOL OF THE SIMPLE HOUSE. 
          AND IN, IN IT BEING A SIMPLE HOUSE, IT REALLY GOES IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AS OPPOSED TO, WHAT DO THEY SAY GILDING A LILY, RIGHT. 
          IT, IT, IT, IT, THE WAY THAT IT'S BEING PRESENTED, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT REALLY HOLDS ONTO ITS HUMBLENESS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THAT WAY, I, I, UM, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MY COMMENTS, UH, AND MY HOPES FOR THIS, UM, APPLICANT THAT THE PROJECT IS READY TO BE APPROVED AS IS AS SIMPLE HOUSE. 
          BEFORE WE GET ANY FURTHER, LET ME HEAR FROM, UH, THE TWO OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE ATTENDING THE, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE AUGUST 23RD. 
          D R C WAS THE, THE MOST RECENT ONE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, YEAH. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE, UM, AND ADDING THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, MY CONCERNS REMAIN, AND THAT IS FROM A SITE PLANNING STANDPOINT. 
          THE, UM, THIS IS ADDRESSED TO DAWSON STREET, BUT THE A D U, WHICH THIS IS, UM, IS NOT RELATING VERY WELL TO THE DAWSON STREET ADDRESS. 
          I'M STILL BOTHERED BY A LACK OF SETBACK FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, THE LACK OF A REAL PORCH. 
          SO THIS IS AN A D U THAT BELONGS ON DAWSON, BUT IT'S SWITCHED. 
          IT'S FLIPPED, AND THE FRONT IS ON DAWSON ALLEY. 
          SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, MIXED, UM, DUAL PERSONALITY GOING ON, WHICH MAKES THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING TO REVIEW AND APPLY THE GUIDELINES. 
          UH, SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THE LACK OF LEGIBILITY OF FRONT AND REAR AS IT RELATES TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          THE OTHER ITEM I HAVE IS, I AM REALLY TROUBLED BY A SITE PLAN THAT CUTS OFF VEH VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TO THE MAIN PART OF THE LOT AND PARKING FOR THE MAIN HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE D R C ALSO, BUT TIME DIDN'T ALLOW THAT TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT, UM, ELIMINATES CAR ACCESS AND PARKING FOR THE OCCUPANTS OF THE MAIN HOUSE ON 10 20 DAWSON STREET. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. CERVANTES, COULD YOU REPORT ON THE D R C AS YOU, UH, PARTICIPATED IN? YES. 
          UH, THE ONE I PARTICIPATED ON, I THINK WAS THE SECOND, OR THE FIRST WAS, WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT HAD INITIAL, UH, INITIALLY ON THE 9TH OF OCTOBER OR AUGUST RATHER. 
          'CAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON THE 20 THIRDS THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE I WAS AT. 
          BUT, UM, I THINK, UM, WHAT MR. FETZER HAD, HAD POINTED OUT THAT DAY WAS, UH, THE PORCH, UM, UH, REDUCING THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE. 
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UM, I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE GRAVEL AND SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING PORTIONS OF IT, UH, WHICH I THINK HE'S ADDRESSING THE PLAN, BUT, UH, I CAN'T ACTUALLY SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT, AT LEAST NOT YET, WHETHER THE PLAN OUTLINES A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT, UH, OF, OF THE LINE THERE, OF THE, OF THE PLATE HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING THINGS ALONG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          I, UM, WILL ASK, ASK THEN, UM, FOR THOSE WHO WERE NOT PRESENT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO POSE TO THE APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. BAZOOKA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, TO POSE TO THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GET A MOTION? WELL, I WISH I HAD HAD TIME TO REVIEW THIS MORE CAREFULLY. 
          I I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE AUTOMOBILE ACCESS FROM THE ALLEY VERSUS THE ACCESS FROM THE HOUSE OR TO THE HOUSE FROM DAWSON STREET. 
          UM, MR. FLYNN, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT, UH, SPECIFIC COMMENT? YEAH. 
          THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AUTOMOBILE ACCESS FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S ALL STREET PARKING. 
          I CREATED A DRIVE AND A, UH, AND A PARKING AREA IN THE BACK THAT'S HAS A, UH, A VEHICLE GATE YEAH. 
          TO THAT IS TWO SWING GATES THAT ALLOW ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTIES TO SECURE VEHICLES BEHIND THE FENCE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          GIVEN THAT I AM OPEN TO A MOTION, IF ANYONE'S WILLING TO CRAFT YOU. 
          WELL, I KNOW WE, WE'VE GOTTA GET INTO DISCUSSION. 
          UM, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I'LL SECOND THAT FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          LET'S GET INTO DISCUSSION THEN OF MR. VELASQUEZ, SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION LEAD US OFF. 
          WELL, WELL, MR. MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL KIND OF CAN, CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT OVERHANG IN THE FRONT IS WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A PORCH TO EXIST IS. 
          AND, AND IF IT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD PORCH DESIGNED BY THE OVERHANG OF THE SECOND LEVEL, THAT'S WITHOUT A ROOF ELEMENT, THAT HE'S EITHER, UH, INDENTING OR, OR INCREASING THE, THE, UM, THE SPACE OF THE OVERHANG. 
          IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT A, A SPACE CREATED BY A DOOR PUNCHED IN, IT'S CREATED BY A SECOND FLOOR OVERHANGING THAT HE'S GONNA ONLY BE ABLE TO, UH, UM, UM, I MEAN IN WITHIN THE SPACE CONSTRAINTS, RIGHT? OF WHAT HIS PLAN IS, THAT OBVIOUSLY IF HE, IF HE HAD THE, THE, UH, INTENT TO GO ANOTHER THREE FEET, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT HE WOULD NEED, RIGHT? THAT, THAT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERS WHAT HIS CAPABILITY IS WITH THE, WITH THE HOUSE ITSELF, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE COULDN'T DO IT. 
          RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DOES TO THE SETBACK, WHETHER EVERYTHING GETS PUSHED BACK OR THAT, THAT MEANS THAT, THAT IN THAT FRONT, HE'S, HE'S MOVING OVER NOW IN, IN THE WAY THAT THIS IS DONE FOR A HOUSE OF THIS SCALE THAT I LOOK AT WITH RESPECT TO THE WIDTH, WHICH IS LIKE QUASI A SHOTGUN HOUSE, RIGHT? THOSE HOUSES ARE BASED ON THE UTILITY OF THE TINY HOUSE OF A SMALL HOUSE, AND THEY HAVE THEIR LIMITATIONS AND THE LIMITATIONS KIND OF HELP TO DEFINE THE HUMBLENESS OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          SO IN THIS, I THINK HE DOES IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST SOLUTION, BUT THE SOLUTION IS MORE UTILITARIAN THAN IT IS, UH, UH, ANYTHING ELSE? SO IT, IT READS AS A TRUE STATEMENT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE REAR. 
          I MEAN, THERE COULD BE BETTER DESIGN SOLUTIONS FOR THE GATING AND ALL THAT. 
          I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I, I, I THINK AS WE GET TO THE FENESTRATION AND GET TO THE BUILDING ITSELF, I THINK THE BUILDING READS AS VERY, UM, VERY HUMBLE AND, AND, AND IN, AND IT'S MINIMAL, UH, SENSE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD, IT COULD HAVE WINDOWS EVERYWHERE. 
          IT COULD, BUT THE SHOTGUN HOUSE ISN'T TYPICALLY A THING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND, AND THERE ARE ELEMENTS, PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE SOUTH SIDE, WHERE ARE THESE, THERE ARE THESE SHOTGUN HOUSES THAT ENDED UP WITH A SECOND FLOOR ABOVE THEM. 
          SO WITHIN THAT CONTEXT, IT'S, IT'S VERY, UM, CONSISTENT, RIGHT? I THINK THE BULK OF THE CONVERSATION COULD REALLY FOCUS ON JUST THE LANDSCAPE OR THE TREATMENT OF THAT, THE GATING SYSTEM IN THE BACK, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO BEGIN WITH, RIGHT? SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE AREAS TO FOCUS ON 
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THAT PROBABLY WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS MEETING HAVING APPROVED, UH, SOMETHING FOR HIM MOVING FORWARD IF WE STEP AWAY FROM THE BUILDING AND ALLOW THE BUILDING TO BE THE HUMBLE BUILDING THAT IT IS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. SAVANT. 
          IS HE SECONDED? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE? YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE OVERHEAD, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SETBACK, UH, THE SETBACK ISSUE. 
          I'M ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE ADDRESS TO THIS HOUSE? IS IT DAWSON ALLEY? IS IT GONNA BE DAWSON STREET? UM, THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE PROPERTIES ADDRESSED TO DAWSON STREET, UM, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE UNIQUE SITUATIONS WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHERE, UM, THERE'S ACCESS ALSO FROM A REAR ALLEY OR A REAR STREET. 
          UH, SO THE HOUSES THAT FRONT DAWSON STREET, UM, ARE ADDRESSED TO DAWSON STREET, BOTH FROM AN ADDRESSING STANDPOINT AND AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT. 
          UM, I HAVE, UH, A FEW PHOTOS OF, UM, THE ALLEY CONDITION HERE, UM, THAT MAY, UH, GIVE A BETTER IDEA OF, UM, WHAT THAT EXISTING CONDITION IS. 
          BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE RESIDENCE, RIGHT? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? THIS WOULD BE AN A, AN ACCESSORY UNIT ON THE PRIMARY LOT. 
          SO A SECONDARY UNIT, UM, ON THIS LOT WITHIN THE CURRENT ZONING WITH THE FRONT PORCH FACING THE ALLEY. 
          THIS IS THE ELEVATION THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED TO FACE THE ALLEY, THE FRONT ELEVATION HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, NO, I, I, I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SAVINO. 
          UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO APOLOGIZE FOR USING MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT WHERE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS FOR MY COMMENTS. 
          SO I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THIS LENGTHY, BUT, UM, I, YEAH, I THINK THESE ARE OUR SITE PLAN ISSUES, UM, THAT NEED TO BE REALLY HASHED OUT. 
          UM, ALSO, UH, MR. FINN, UM, IN ORDER TO, UH, PLACE THIS BUILDING WHERE IT IS NOW, WILL YOU NEED A VARIANCE FROM ZONING? NO, MA'AM. 
          YOU WON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN HOW YOU ADDRESS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING VERSUS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THE GUIDELINES, IF THIS IS AN A D U. 
          SO, UM, MY COMMENT STILL STAND, IT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BONES OF THE PROJECT OF A A D U ON THE LOT OF A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, AND VEHICULAR ACCESS IN THE PAST, I'M SURE THE OWNERS OR THE OCCUPANTS OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE PROBABLY CAME THROUGH THE ALLEY AS ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE DID. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE SITE PLAN AND A SITE LAYOUT THAT SHOWED, UH, MAINTAINING THAT VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE MAIN HOUSE, AS WELL AS, UH, ALLOWING THE A D U TO HAVE PARKING TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, I, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ABLE TO SPEAK, BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT I HAD INCORPORATED ON MY SITE PLAN. 
          AND MY DRAWINGS IS PROVIDING VEHICULAR ACCESS THROUGH THE ALLEY. 
          UM, AND I'VE DONE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE BACK BY TEARING DOWN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH WAS, UH, NOT A, UH, SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO SEE, AND CREATING A, A DRIVE AREA THERE, A SECURED FENCED IN DRIVEWAY, AND WE ADDED THE LANDSCAPING AS REQUESTED AND A WALKWAY. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THAT OR NOT, BUT THAT'S, THAT WAS THE INTENT. 
          I, I SEE ON YOUR, ON THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT YOU HAVE A SPACE FOR ONE PARKING WITH A METAL EDGE TERMINATING THE PARKING PAD GRAVEL. 
          THAT'S WHAT I SEE. 
          SO IF THERE IS AN INTENT TO, UM, GO DEEPER INTO THE SPACE WITH, UH, A DRIVE AND OTHER PARKING, I DON'T SEE IT HERE. 
          MAYBE IT'S, IT'S, IT MAY NOT BE DEPICTED ON THERE AS, AS PARKING TWO VEHICLES, BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET TWO IN THAT SPACE BEHIND THE FENCE, UNLESS YOU DRIVE A TRUCK, TWO TRUCKS LIKE MINE, WHICH ARE VERY LONG. 
          OH, DO YOU MEAN SIDE BY SIDE, MR. FINN? YOU CAN GET SIDE BY SIDE PARKING THERE AS WELL, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMPROMISED IN WIDTH. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE GOT IT AS WIDE AS WE COULD, AND THAT'S WHY IT TOOK THE BUILDING DOWN. 
          AND ITS MASS FROM, UH, ITS DECREASED ITS WIDTH TO 17 FEET INSTEAD OF 23 FEET. 
          UM, YOU'RE NOT 
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GONNA PARK TWO F TWO 50 SIDE BY SIDE WITHOUT HAVING TROUBLE GETTING OUT AND IN. 
          UH, BUT YOU CAN GET TWO SEDANS IN THERE RELATIVELY EASILY. 
          AND WE DO ON OCCASION NOW. 
          NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. MOOKA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, UM, ANY COMMENTS I SHOULD SAY IN THE DISCUSSION? NO, I DO NOT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I HAVE PRETTY MUCH NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT THIS CASE WITH, UM, I THINK STAFF HAS HIS RIGHT AND, UM, I WOULD BE, I'M FINE WITH THE MOTION AS IT STANDS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE CONCERNS AS HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BY SEVERAL OF THE OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS ABOUT SORT OF THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENT OF THIS. 
          I THINK IT'S A LITTLE ODD TO HAVE A, A GATE SWING UP AGAINST A, A PORCH THAT'S TRYING TO MODEL ITSELF AS A FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, THAT JUST SEEMS VERY PECULIAR TO ME. 
          UM, SO I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY SECONDS, OR I MEAN ANY, UM, ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION, IF NOT MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          I, I, IF, IF, UM, IF THE MAKER OF THE SECOND, UH, WAS WILLING, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, THAT THE MOTION COULD STAND, UM, UH, LESS THE TREATMENT OF THE, THE GATING, AND THAT WE WOULD ASK FOR THE GATING TO COME BACK FOR A SEPARATE APPROVAL. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, IT IS, IT IS YOUR LAST COMMENT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT IS VERY, VERY, VERY VALID. 
          UH, IT'S A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT'S EVEN NECESSARY, RIGHT? THAT SECOND GATE, BUT IT WOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE AND GET AN APPROVAL ON THE BUILDING, THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING, AND PERHAPS THE PLACEMENT OF THE DRIVEWAY, THAT, THAT IS BEYOND THE GATE. 
          SO THE, THE MOTION WOULD STAND TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT, LESS THE, UH, THE GATING SYSTEM. 
          SO AS, AS MY UNDERSTANDING OF ROBERT'S RULES OR, UM, THE A MOTION, OR IT CAN ALWAYS AMEND THEIR MOTION. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD PHRASE THAT IN THE TERM OF A, OF AN AMENDMENT, AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF YOUR SECOND CONCURS WITH THAT, WE CAN VOTE UPON THE AMEND, THE AMENDED MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, MR. CHAIR, I, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, LES THE, UH, GATE, UH, SYSTEM AND, AND REQUESTED THAT GATE SYSTEM, UM, UH, BE SUBMITTED SEPARATELY. 
          SO, SO I, I, SO IT'S A AMENDED TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITHOUT, UH, UH, UNLESS THE GATE, NO APPROVAL OF THE GATE DOES OUR SECOND CONCUR. 
          AND, AND I CONCUR WITH THAT FOR DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S, IT IS A, A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT, UH, TO EXCLUDE THE GATE AS PART OF THE APPROVAL THAT WILL COME BACK FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF EVERYONE'S CLEAR ON THAT, AND MR. KOOL, I MEAN, I JUST HEARD THE APPLICANT SAY YES, AND IF THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO WITHDRAW THAT PART OF THE REQUEST, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH MULTIPLE VOTES TO, TO GET THERE ON THIS ONE. 
          I MEAN, IS THE APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT TO WITHDRAW THE GATE AND COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT GATE, I CAN PULL IT OFF TOMORROW. 
          IT'S ONLY THERE FOR SECURITY PURPOSES. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REMOVABLE. 
          I JUST HAVE TO LIFT IT AND PULL IT BOTH SIDES. 
          IF I HAD TO, THE, THE, THE GATE THAT YOU ALL ARE DISCUSSING, DISCUSSING IS CURRENTLY THERE. 
          UM, SO, UM, IF, IF THERE'S A CONCERN, UH, REGARDING THE GATE AND HOW THAT ADDRESSES OR INTERACTS WITH THE, THE PROPERTY, UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT CAN RESOLVE THAT BY REMOVING THE GATE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SWINGS UP, IT BECOMES PART OF YOUR EDGE DESIGN, OR YOU CAN JUST PULL IT, BUT YOU JUST LOSE SECURITY BACK THERE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, BOY, SEE IF WE CAN, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I THINK , BUT I WANNA INCLUDE THE FACT THAT, THAT, THAT THE GATE FOR ME IS SORT OF A, A DEAL BREAKER. 
          YES. 
          IT JUST SEEMS VERY ODD IN, IN HOW IT'S BEING PROPOSED IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN EXISTING FEATURE. 
          WELL, IT, IT, IF I UNDERSTOOD, UH, MR. FLYNN CORRECTLY, HE'S WILLING TO REMOVE THE GATE, UM, THAT, OKAY, SO IF WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT PART OF OUR OFFICIAL ACTION, WE 
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CAN JUST GO BACK TO THE BASE MOTION. 
          MR. MR. CHAIR HERE. 
          HERE'S THE COM. 
          HERE'S THE COMPLEXITY POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE A SUBMIT IT MINUS THE GATE SYSTEM. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT VOTING TO APPROVE THE GATE SYSTEM. 
          YOU DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE MOTION ANYMORE. 
          YES. 
          NOW THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE, UH, COMPLEXITY FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF, OF OUR REVIEW. 
          THE, THE, THE MR CHAIR THAT I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT THE GATE IS EXISTING. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE THE GATE IN OUR, UH, DECISION, ALTHOUGH IT'S SHOWING ON THE DRAWING, WHICH IS BEING SUBMITTED TO US WITH A GATE, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T REMOVE THE POTENTIAL FOR THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHETHER IT'S A PRE SITUATION OR A POST SITUATION THAT THE GATE DOESN'T WORK IN FRONT OF THAT LITTLE BUILDING. 
          I MEAN, PERHAPS IT'S A DOUBLE GATE ON THE SECOND HALF OF THE PROPERTY, JUST NOT FRONT OF THE LITTLE BUILDING. 
          HOWEVER, I'M WONDERING IF IT'S A CONDITION OF THE, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE DRAWING, IF IT'S A CONDITION OF THE MOTION TO HAVE THE GATE REMOVED, WILL THAT, I MEAN, IS IT, IS IT BY DEFAULT A CONDITION OF THE MOTION? I, I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPHRASE YOUR AMENDMENT, UH, TO INCLUDE THAT? YES, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO SAY WE NEED TO MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION ON THIS. 
          HE'S ALTERING THE SITE WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS ACCESSORY UNIT, BUT IT RESULTS IN A VERY ODD CONDITION WITH THAT EXISTING GATE. 
          SO YES. 
          AND, AND, AND TO THE APPLICANT, I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN IMPORTANT TO US, UH, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, IS IT AS NECESSARY IN FRONT OF THE LITTLE HOUSE, WHICH, I MEAN, THE HOUSE IS WHERE IT IS, OR IS IT, UH, I MEAN, IS IT ONLY NECESSARY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING INTO THE LOT, OR CAN THAT GATE BE PULLED OUT THAT 27 FEET AND JUST OPEN THE OTHER WAY? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A CAR PARKED THERE, THEN, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FENCE IN FRONT OF THE CAR, AND THAT CONDITION EXISTS FOR A LOT OF US THAT HAVE FENCES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S NOT AN ODD SITUATION THAT WHEN YOU OPEN THE GATE, IF YOU PARK YOUR CAR THERE WHERE YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE GATE NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE WAY YOU HAVE THE GATE, IT OFFERS A, A, A, A, I MEAN, A KIND OF A KIND OF A WASH OF A, OF A SOLUTION. 
          BUT THAT 27 FEET, IS THAT YOUR PROPERTY OR IS THAT PROPERTY THE ALLEY PROPERTY OR 20, 27 FEET THAT'S IN FRONT? THE 27 WIDTH. 
          THE 27 FEET FROM THE, UH, WHERE THE GATE SWINGS, THAT'S SPACE WHERE THE GATE SWINGS. 
          THAT'S 27 FEET FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN? YES. 
          THE, THE POSTS FOR THE GATE ARE PROPERTY LINE, NEAR PROPERTY LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT YOU DON'T OWN THAT AREA WHERE THAT FENCE IS SWINGING? NO. 
          UM, I THINK TECHNICALLY I DO NOT. 
          I GOT YOU. 
          I GOT YOU. 
          WELL, YEAH, THEN, THEN IT, IT, THEN IT, IT DOES, UM, I, I WOULD THINK THAT THE, THAT THE, THE MOTION THAT IT MADE WOULD BE CONTINGENT, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT YOU GAVE UP THE IDEA OF THESE, OF THE, OF THE FE OF THE, OF THE SWINGING GATE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, NOT NECESSARILY THE SWINGING GATE IDEA IN FRONT OF THE CAR. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER THAT WE RETURN TO THE PROCEDURE THAT'S IN PLACE. 
          UM, ALL, UH, DESIGN SUGGESTIONS ALL GOOD AND WELL. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THEY BELONG IN A DIFFERENT FORUM. 
          NO, BUT, BUT I, I MEAN IT AS A CONDITION OF THE MOTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT WHEN I MADE THE MOTION, IT, IT WAS A CONDITION OF THE MOTION BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE GATES WERE BEING PROPOSED AS WELL. 
          NOW THAT I KNOW THAT THE GATES ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED, 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY THERE, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CONDITION OF THE MOTION, IN WHICH CASE THE SECOND WOULD HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT, AND THEN IT WOULD BE A MOTION. 
          OTHERWISE I'D HAVE TO PULL MY MOTION OR, YOU KNOW. 
          SO LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO IT AS AN AMENDMENT THAT, UH, YOU'VE REPHRASED TO SAY THAT THE, THE GATES ARE ADDRESSED SEPARATELY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THEN THEY NEED TO GO BACK AND, AND MODIFY THAT AS A CONDITION OF, OF, OF APPROVAL FOR WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THIS NEW STRUCTURE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IS THAT, THAT'S THE AMENDED MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE NOW. 
          THAT'S THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND, AND OUR SECOND, WE ALREADY HAD AGREEMENT. 
          OKAY? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL BEARING WITH US AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PROCEDURE DOWN AS WELL AS THE CONTENT 
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OF IT. 
          AND, UM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE THEN ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, WHICH IS IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS TO, UH, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED TODAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME SORT OF MODIFICATION REQUIRED FOR THE GATES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AS A CONDITION OF THAT APPROVAL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE, GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH IS ABSENT. 
          SINA NAY, VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MAZUA AYE. 
          CARPENTER NAY AND CERVANTES AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU MS. FLYNN. 
          UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEP. 
          WELL, WE, SO WE TECHNICALLY STILL NEED A VOTE ON RIGHT TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. 
          TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          LET'S HAVE ROLL CALL THEN FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION APPROVED AS AMENDED. 
          SABINE NU I MEAN, AYE. 
          SINA NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER, NAY, CERVANTES NAY. 
          COMMISSIONER ZUKA, CAN YOU CLARIFY YOUR VOTE? AYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, YES. 
          I SAID NO MOTION FAILS. 
          THAT'S SPLIT. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN I MAKE A, A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE AND THAT THE SIDE PLAN BE, BE CLEANED UP A BIT, AS RECOMMENDED BY ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET A SECOND FOR THAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE. 
          DO WE HAVE A, A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          MAY WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE? OH, SORRY, PARDON ME. 
          COMMENTS? GET AHEAD OF MYSELF, SHALL I? OH, PLEASE. 
          THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, MY COMMENT TO THAT WOULD BE, UM, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, MR. FIN, UH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE SO WE CAN, UM, PLACE THE BUILDING CORRECTLY. 
          WE CAN ADDRESS THE FENCING. 
          IF THIS, IF DAWSON ALLEY IS THE FRONT, THEN A FRONT YARD FENCE CONFORMING TO THE GUIDELINES WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE FENCE AND GATE SYSTEM. 
          UM, AND, UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE MAJORITY OF MY CONCERNS IS WHAT IS THE FRONT, WHAT IS THE BACK AND HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS CONSISTENTLY AND FAIRLY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST BUILDINGS ON THIS PORTION OF DAWSON ALLEY AND HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE PRECEDENT SETTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, I OH, GO AHEAD MR. VELAZQUEZ, I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT APPLICANT, UH, DO YOU HAVE, UM, THE TOLERANCE, SPACE TOLERANCE TO, TO, TO MOVE THE BUILDING LEFT OR RIGHT OR BACK AND FORTH? A TINY BIT. 
          I MEAN, WITHIN, WITHIN REASON, LIKE, SAY REASON IS LIKE EIGHT FEET EITHER IN, IN, LET'S SAY, UM, EAST TO WEST. 
          I GUESS THAT'S THE ORIENTATION OF THE STORM, RIGHT? CAN IT BE MOVED BACK WITHOUT AFFECTING SOME REGULATIONS AS YOU CAN'T MOVE IT BACK AS TO, UM, OWNER, I MEAN, IT, IT COULD BE MOVED FURTHER BACK INTO THE LOT, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS A SMALL COTTAGE AND THAT'S WHY WE REDUCED THE MASSING AND THE HEIGHT TO BEGIN WITH. 
          I UNDERSTAND, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY PLANNERS, UH, DUE TO THE WIDTH OF THAT ALLEY, UM, I'M ABLE, IF I'M UNDER 800 SQUARE FEET TO MOVE THE BUILDING UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE OR 12 FOOT OF CENTER OF THE ALLEY, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. 
          LEMME TELL YOU THAT THE, THE, THE CONSIDERATION THAT JUST TO, JUST TO THINK ABOUT IF IT WAS A DRI, IF IT WAS A GARAGE, THEN THE ZERO PROPERTY LINE MAKES SENSE. 
          WHAT WHAT CREATES THE WEIRDNESS, I THINK IS WHERE THE PUSHBACK IS COMING, IS THAT IT'S THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING AND IT'S ON PROPERTY LINE. 
          IN WHICH CASE, IF IT WASN'T THE REAR OF A EXISTING PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT IT HAS A FRONT SETBACK OF SOME KIND BEING THAT THAT OTHER 27 FEET IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT PROBABLY WHAT IS REALLY MAKING US FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE IS A VISUAL, IT'S NOT REALLY A, A WORD THING. 
          IT'S THAT THE, THE, THE PERCEPTION WANTS TO SEE IT FURTHER BACK BECAUSE THEN 
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IT HAS A FENCE LINE THAT TYPICALLY WOULD LINE UP WITH THE FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING, RIGHT? IN THIS CASE IT LINES UP WITH THE FRONT OF THE BU YOUR BUILDING, BUT THEN YOUR DRIVEWAY IS, I MEAN, YOUR CAR IS PARKED RIGHT THERE ON THAT EDGE. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S KIND OF A, UH, I THINK JUST A SECOND SIX OR SIX SENSE, RIGHT? THAT WANTS THE WHOLE THING TO MOVE BACK. 
          AND I THINK THEN YOU'RE REALLY, UH, YOU'RE, WHAT DID THEY SAY? COOKING WITH CRISCO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, AND, AND THAT I THINK IS A, IS A, IS A, UM, A GESTURE. 
          WHETHER THAT IS FIVE FEET, WHETHER IT'S SIX FEET, SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF THAT. 
          JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          YEAH, NO, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE A, I HAD AN OVERHANG AND THEY REQUESTED THAT I, I'M IF, IF IT APPEASES EVERYONE, I MEAN, I CAN ELIMINATE THE PORCH AND MAKE IT A, A FLUSH FRONT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT RESOLVES THE PROBLEM. 
          NO, I THINK IT MORE SPEAKS TO THE CONTINUANCE, JUST THAT FROM WHAT YOU HEARD, I WOULDN'T LIKE, UH, THROW THE BABY IN WITH THE BATH WATER POINT YET. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S, LET'S GET BACK TO THEN, UH, GETTING SOME DISCUSSIONS FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE. 
          AND YEAH, I WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK, UH, ELIMINATING THE PORCH IS, IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          IF ANYTHING, IT NEEDS TO BE WIDER THREE FEET WITH A GATE AGAINST IT. 
          JUST, IT SEEMS REALLY ODD. 
          UH, MR. GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE CONTINUANCE? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. CERVANTES? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS MR. MOOKA? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL THEN ON THE VOTE OF A CONTINUANCE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          SINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MOOKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          AND CERVANTES, YOU? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. FLYNN. 
          THE STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU ABOUT NEXT STEPS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT CASE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 34 1 15 AUDITORIUM CIRCLE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 30 OF THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH DOUBLE HUNG CLADDED PINE WOOD WINDOWS. 
          A MATCHING PROFILE TO INCLUDE ALL SEVEN SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          ALL 19 SINGLE HUNG WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND ALL FOUR SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS. 
          UH, AND ONCE SIX PANE WOULD TRANSOM WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION, UH, BASED ON A REPRESENTATIVE ASSESSMENT OF ASSESSABLE WINDOWS. 
          SOME WINDOW ELEMENTS ARE DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THEIR REPLACEMENT WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS OF MATCHING PROFILE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE AT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES AN UPDATED WINDOW SCHEDULE, WHICH WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRED AND WHICH WILL REQUIRE FULL REPLACEMENT FOR STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS NEW WOOD WINDOWS CONSISTENTLY WITH STAFF. 
          STANDARD IS NOTED IN THE CITATIONS. 
          ALL EXISTING DETAILS OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW SHOULD BE REPLICATED, UH, IN A REPLACEMENT WINDOW. 
          UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON, UM, AND STAFF PERFORMED A SITE VISIT, UH, WITH THE APPLICANTS. 
          UM, SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO, UH, SPECIFIC WINDOW CONDITIONS, UH, WE'LL TRY TO ANSWER THOSE AS BEST WE CAN. 
          WELL, AND COMMISSIONERS, I ALSO JUST WANNA CLARIFY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          'CAUSE WE ENDED UP HAVING A MISCOMMUNICATION HERE AT THE END OF THE WEEK. 
          UM, WE HAVE APPROVED ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOWS FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN IN THE PAST WHEN REPLACEMENT IS WARRANTED. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, AFTER EVALUATING THE WINDOWS, LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS, WE DO FIND THAT REPLACEMENT IS WARRANT WARRANTED DUE TO THE LEVEL OF DETERIORATION. 
          WE DID NOT MEAN TO SPECIFY WHETHER IT'S WOOD ONLY OR CLAD WOOD. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THE ISSUE IN THE APPLICANT WILL GO INTO DETAIL IS WITH THE ABILITY TO REPLICATE SOME OF THE DETAILING IN THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AND SO THEY CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT. 
          BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE PICKY ABOUT WHETHER IT'S FULLY WOOD OR IF IT'S A CLAD PRODUCT AS LONG AS THE EXISTING PROFILE IS ABLE TO BE DUPLICATED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WELCOME AND, AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M MARY BARTLETT WITH MARON MOCK, ALEX FLORES WITH MARMON MOCK. 
          DAN SLAGEL, ALSO WITH MARMON MOCK. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE DOING, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID, A, A WINDOW REPLACEMENT FOR THE TOBIN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. 
          UM, AND WE BROUGHT PICTURES AND I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE ALSO IN OUR PRESENTATION OF THE DETER DETERIORATION OF THE, UM, WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AND, UM, WE BROUGHT THE PROFILE ALSO OF THE, OF THE NEW WINDOW, UM, THAT WE WANNA PUT IN KIND OF TO SHOW YOU HOW IT MATCHES IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          EVEN WITH SOME OTHER TRIM PIECES. 
          I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT WHEN WE WENT, DID THE WALK ON SITE. 
          AND SO I THINK WE JUST REALLY WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT AND SEE IF, UM, I, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PRESENTATION, BUT IT'S A WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THIS WINDOW THAT SHOULD LOOK EXACTLY LIKE 
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THE ONES THAT ARE COMING OUT, JUST NOT FALLING APART. 
          AND I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL IF YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE AND JUST TO, UH, TO RESPOND TO, UH, CORY'S COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, METAL CLAD, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING METAL CLAD, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          HERE'S THE WINDOW. 
          SO ON ON, ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW, YOU'LL HAVE THE WOOD, WHICH IS THERE, SIR. 
          AND ON THE SIR, CAN YOU DO YOUR BEST TO TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT WE CAN PICK IT UP? THANK YOU. 
          ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU WILL HAVE THE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE WIND, UH, BUILDING. 
          YOU WILL HAVE THE METAL CLAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S SOME PRETTY SEVERE DAMAGE. 
          AND SO ONCE WE TAKE OUT THE ENTIRE WINDOW, WE, WE WANNA COME IN WITH THE FULL WINDOW SYSTEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, INSERT THAT, UM, TO REPLACE IT. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ROT SURROUNDING IT AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S A FULL OPENING REPLACEMENT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND WITH STAFF'S CLARIFICATION OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION, ARE YOU ACCEPTING, ACCEPTING THEIR, UM, STIPULATIONS THEN TO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          CAN CAN WE RE CAN WE REPEAT THE STIPULATIONS? YEAH. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          THERE'S ONE SMALL DETAIL ON THE EXISTING WINDOWS, AND IT'S WHAT I KNOW IS A LAMB'S TONGUE. 
          IT'S THIS ELEMENT THAT COMES DOWN IN A DECORATIVE SENSE FROM THE, UH, BOTTOM SASH OR THE, YOU COULD, I'D SAY THE MEETING RAIL IS HOW IT APPEARS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PREVIOUSLY FROM A SITE VISIT AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, WHAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE REPLICATED, UM, IN A REPLACEMENT WINDOW. 
          UM, WE DID AFTER, AFTER SPEAKING WITH YOU, DID SOME RESEARCH WITH THE MANUFACTURER AND WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TRIM PIECE. 
          SO WELL THAT, ALRIGHT, THERE YOU GO. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE, SO THANKS FOR THAT. 
          WE'RE GETTING TO A KUMBAYA MOMENT HERE, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, WITH THAT, UH, MS. SAVINO, DO YOU WANNA LEAD US OFF WITH ANY, UH, QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? I'M GONNA STICK WITH THAT APPROXIMATELY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE FIVE WINDOW TYPES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE, IS THAT CORRECT? FIVE WINDOW SIZES, SIZES, BUT THE SAME TYPE? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WHAT IS YOUR GUESSTIMATE OF, OF SASHES THAT DEFINITELY NEED TO BE REPLACED? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ALL OF 'EM. 
          SEE, UM, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS, IS ARE YOU ASKING FOR A 100% REPLACEMENT? MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WHAT ABOUT THE ONES THAT DON'T NEED TO BE REPLACED? WAIT, I MEAN THE, THE WINDOWS ARE ALMOST A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. 
          IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. 
          UH, THERE WERE FUNDS RIGHT NOW TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS. 
          IT'S A NONPROFIT. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, CONTRACTORS ON BOARD TO DO IT NOW. 
          AND SO IT REALLY HELPS THE, THE OWNER TO DO THIS AND NOT LOOK BACK AND NEVER DO IT AGAIN. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE PROPOSED BECAUSE ONCE WE DO START TAKING IT OUT, THERE ARE PARTS AND PIECES THAT ARE, ARE COMING OUT THAT ARE, ARE ROTTEN. 
          SO, AND IT RAINY DAYS, IT'S RAINING INSIDE. 
          FLEX SEAL, , UH, FLEX SEAL CARDBOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE BEING USED. 
          IN FACT, THEY DID ONE THE OTHER DAY AND IT, THE GLASS STARTED TO FALL OUT. 
          SO AGAIN, IT JUST TO, TO ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, ALL OF 'EM HAVE SOME, UH, SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION. 
          SO, AND I THINK, UH, UH, STAFF'S, UM, UH, STIPULATION TO PROVIDE A WINDOW SCHEDULE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH THE STATE OF THOSE WINDOWS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHICH ONES NEED TO BE REPLACED AS PART OF HER RECOMMENDATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I CAN, I CAN READ THAT OR PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED BASED ON THAT. 
          BUT, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, BASED ON A SITE VISIT, STAFF PERFORMED, WE FOUND THAT THE WINDOWS, PARTICULARLY THE SOLID MAJORITY OF ALL BOTTOM RAILS FOR BOTTOM SASHES, UM, STYLES WERE IN BAD CONDITION AS WELL AS MEETING RAILS. 
          SO THE BOTTOM RAIL OF TOP SASHES AND THE TOP RAIL OF THE BOTTOM SASHES WERE TO THE POINT TO WHERE THEY WERE DETERIORATED. 
          SOME OF THEM YOU COULD PUSH YOUR THUMB THROUGH, UM, AND IT WAS AT A POINT TO WHERE, UM, PROBABLY 50 TO 60 OR 70% OF THE ENTIRE WINDOW MAKEUP WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          UM, IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS FROM A STANDPOINT OF REPAIR MM-HMM. 
          , UM, WHAT STAFF IS ASKING FOR IS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A DOCUMENT THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, THAT CLARIFIES THE SASHES THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR. 
          UM, AND IF THERE ARE ANY SASHES THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT NOTIFIES STAFF OF THAT, UM, WHETHER THAT BE FOR RETENTION HERE OR 
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SALVAGE AND REUSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND REALLY JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          THANKS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S A STANDARD, NOT REALLY A STIPULATION, BUT WE USUALLY REQUEST THAT FROM OUR WINDOW REPLACEMENT APPLICANT. 
          SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT JUST GETTING THAT DOCUMENTATION FOR THE FILE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. VELAZQUEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? WELL, PRIOR TO GETTING TO A MOTION, UH, WELL, I, I, I JUST, UH, WANNA THANK THE, UH, PRESENTERS FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR DILIGENCES, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, HAVING THE MANUFACTURER, UH, COME UP WITH THAT SPECIAL DETAIL THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE PROJECT. 
          I, I, I, I DO THINK THAT IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IT'S A NONPROFIT IS A PUBLIC BUILDING, AND, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THAT CAN BE MADE SHOULD BE SUSTAINABLE BECAUSE WHEN DOLLARS ARE AVAILABLE, THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. 
          AND WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WHICH LEADS TO MORE DAMAGE. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SAID, I, I, I, IF, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, BUT I'LL, I'LL, LET'S FIND OUT IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS THOUGH. 
          UH, MR. MOOKA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T. 
          I'D LIKE THE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, UH, WITH THAT EXTRA DETAIL AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE AND THE PRESENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, MR. CERVANTES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? NO, NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MR. GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW I WILL INTERFERE. 
          MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, IF THE, UM, APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED AND I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS WE HAVE IT PRESENTED HERE, UM, THERE WAS THE, UH, REQUEST THAT DETAIL, THE LAMB'S TONGUE DETAIL BE REPLICATED. 
          IS THAT INCLUDED IN YOUR, YOUR MOTION? YES. 
          THEY'RE PRESENTING THAT AS PART OF THEIR, THAT'S PART OF THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL AS COMPLYING WITH THE STAFF'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WOOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA LET THEM KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SASHES THAT COULD BE SALVAGED AND, AND REUSED SOMEPLACE ELSE WHERE PERHAPS IN THE BUILDING. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AS PRESENTED, SAME ON THE SECOND COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          DOES THAT INCLUDE THE WINDOWS SCHEDULE ALSO? YES. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE'S SAYING THE DOCUMENTATION THAT STAFF'S REQUESTING YES, YES. 
          THAT STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEY SAY THEY WERE GONNA COMPLY, THEY PRESENTED, THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH THAT. 
          SO AS PRESENTED ALSO, THEY DONE THAT SO WE CAN SEND IT OVER. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, DID WE HAVE SECOND? YES, YES YOU DO. 
          SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          SAME UNDERSTANDING. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY, ANY COMMENTS OR, UH, QUESTIONS? I MEAN, SORRY. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF A, OF A HISTORIC BUILDING, RIGHT? THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THE CARBON FOOTPRINT AND THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY THAT'S USED TO KEEP THIS BUILDING COOL AND RUNNING. 
          UM, SO I THINK IN LIGHT OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE SEEING AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH, YOU KNOW, SHORTAGES OF ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, CITIES BEING NASHED TO, TO TURN DOWN OR TURN UP THEIR AC OR ADJUST THEIR, THEIR ENERGY CONSUMPTION REQUIREMENTS, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A HUGE STEP FORWARD FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE TIME TO KIND OF GET THE LITTLE DETAILS WHEN YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THESE WINDOWS TO KIND OF MATCH THE, THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING, I THINK IS, IS A NICE TOUCH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I WILL ADD THAT WE GOT THE, UM, EMAIL ABOUT THE ADDITION DURING THIS MEETING. 
          SO , WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR IT, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          TIMELY. 
          ALRIGHT, I OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANYONE ELSE THAT MIGHT HAVE ANY COMMENT THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN, UH, STATED THUS FAR. 
          IF NONE, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL THEN. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS, UM, TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, INCLUDING WINDOW DETAILS. 
          YES. 
          TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED, INCLUDING, UH, WINDOW SCHEDULE, WINDOW DETAILS, AND, UM, STAFFS AND STAFF STIPULATION OF DOCUMENTATION, NOT NECESSARILY WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE, BUT THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TO DOCUMENT, UH, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE AS THEY'RE BEING MODIFIED. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WITH THAT GIBBS, AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CASE NUMBER 18. 
          ITEM 
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18 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 31 30. 
          KING WILLIAM, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FLAT MEMBRANE ROOF OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH A PITCHED STANDING SEAM. 
          METAL ROOF STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FLAT MEMBRANE ROOF OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH WITH A METAL ROOF BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF REMAINS UNCHANGED WHEN THE NEW ROOF IS INSTALLED, OR INCLUDE A LOW ENOUGH PROFILE AS TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND THE APPLICANT MARK WHITE, SHOULD BE ON WEBEX. 
          MR. WHITE, ARE YOU THERE? UM, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UNMUTE. 
          I SENT YOU A REQUEST. 
          I AM HERE. 
          I JUST DON'T HAVE MY VIDEO CAMERA. 
          UH, I GUESS AVAILABLE, BUT MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE ME. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          WE CAN HEAR YOU AND AS LONG AS YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          YES, I CAN SEE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S MY, I CAN SPEAK. 
          YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO MOST RECENTLY WE DID RECEIVE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT, UM, EITHER THE PITCH OF THE ROOF REMAINS UNCHANGED WHEN THE NEW ROOF WAS INSTALLED, OR TO INCLUDE A LOW ENOUGH PROFILE AS TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND, UH, ON THE LAST WEB MEETING THAT WE HAD, UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO SHOW, UH, PHOTOS AROUND THE PROPERTY TO KIND OF SEE, UH, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO, UM, IN MY, UH, MINI PACKET, IF YOU CAN GO FIRST TO, TO PAGE 10, THIS IS A NEW PICTURE THAT WASN'T IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, PACKET, BUT, UH, PAGE NUMBER 10. 
          IT SHOULD BE, IT'S NOT THAT ONE. 
          UM, ARE YOU ON PAGE 10? WE'RE ON P D F PAGE 10 OF THE, OKAY. 
          IT SHOULD BE PDF PAGE NINE. 
          UM, IT SHOULD BE RIGHT ABOVE THAT ONE. 
          YEP. 
          JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE, THE EXISTING LEAK, UM, IN THE SOFFIT AREA THERE, UH, FROM THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, DESIGN. 
          JUST, UH, WE HADN'T SHOWN THAT IN THE PAST, SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHOW YOU THAT FIRST. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. 
          THIS IS A MUSEUM AND IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF, UH, VALUABLE, UH, THINGS INSIDE. 
          SO THAT'S JUST WHAT, WHAT WHAT WE'RE KIND OF STARTING OFF ON IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          UM, AND THEN IF YOU GO TO, WE HAVE THE, THOSE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PHOTOS THAT WERE BEING REQUESTED BE MR. WHITE, YOU CUT OUT FOR A SECOND. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME WHICH PAGE YOU WANT? YEAH, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          UH, PHOTOS THAT WERE REQUESTED AT THE, AT THE LAST WEB MEETING. 
          I'VE GOT THOSE AROUND PAGE 20, AND I HAVE SOME FROM ALL AROUND THE AREA. 
          THAT'S THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR. 
          AND IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT YOU CAN ONLY SEE MAYBE THE TOP HALF OF THAT, OF THAT CONUS. 
          BUT IF YOU, IF YOU JUST SCROLL SLOWLY, PAGE TO PAGE, YOU'LL SEE ALL OF THE PHOTOS FROM THE FRONT, THE SIDES, AND YOU'LL SEE, UH, THAT, THAT AREA, IT ACTUALLY REALLY CAN'T BE SEEN AT ALL, BUT, UM, VERY MINIMALLY. 
          AND SO, JUST WANTED YOU TO JUST SCROLL DOWN THOSE PAGES. 
          IT'S, IT'S FROM ABOUT 20 TO PAGE, UH, 62. 
          I TOOK A LOT OF PHOTOS AROUND TO SHOW THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO, TO TO SEE THOSE. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, SUBMITTING THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          I THINK THAT HELPS TO, TO ILLUSTRATE THAT, UM, THE LOW VISIBILITY OF, OF THAT ROOF. 
          PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE A REPORT FROM THOSE WHO ATTENDED THE, UM, DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMITTEE ON AUGUST 23RD. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          YOU HAVE A VOICEMAIL? OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. 
          THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 3 0. 
          KING WILLIAM CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 3 0. 
          DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGEST THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED WITH THE SLIGHT INCREASE IN THE PORCH ROOF PITCH TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE AND ELIMINATE ROOF LEAKS JOINTS WHERE FLAT MEMBRANE ROOFS INTERSECTS. 
          PITCH 
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METAL ROOFS ARE PRONE TO LEAK AND SHOULD BE AVOIDED. 
          SINCE THE FLAT PORCH ROOF IS FRAMED WITH DIMENSIONAL LUMBER AND PLYWOOD DECKING, IT IS NOT LIKELY HISTORIC. 
          THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED INCREASE IN THE PITCH OF THE PORCH ROOF WILL ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF METAL FLASHINGS TO PROPERLY JOIN THE EXISTING STANDING SEAM ROOF TO A NEW STANDING SEAM PORCH ROOF. 
          WE CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S ASSESSMENT THAT THE SLIGHT CHANGE IN PITCH WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE GROUND AND THEREFORE WILL NOT COMPROMISE THE VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          WE APPLAUD THE UPDATED DESIGN THAT INCORPORATES HIP RETURNS AT THE PORCH AND CONDITIONS IN LIEU OF THE VISIBLE WALLS PROPOSED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE NEXT THING I WAS GOING TO, UH, READ BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED A LETTER ON PAGE 75 TO THAT SAME EXACT, UH, REGARD. 
          SO I WAS GONNA READ THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I DON'T HAVE TO  BECAUSE SHE JUST READ IT. 
          YEAH, IT'S RIGHT THERE. 
          WE, YEAH, WE HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKAGE AND, AND, UH, THEN IT WAS ALSO, UH, PHONED INTO US. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECAUSE WE, WE SEE THAT YOU ALSO HAVE INCLUDED AN UPDATED, UH, ROOF PLAN THAT SHOWS THE HIP CONDITION AS DISCUSSED IN THE, UH, IN THE ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES. 
          SO THERE IS THAT UPDATED ROOF PLANNED, UH, THAT, THAT ELIMINATES ANY WALLS THAT WOULD, WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE OTHER DESIGN. 
          AND, UM, I ALSO, IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE NUMBER 63 OF THE PACKET YES. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET IN THE SAME KING WILLIAM AREA. 
          UM, IT'S ACTUALLY A HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE TREES IN FRONT OF IT OR, OR IN ANY OBSCURE OBSCURITY TO IT. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC ROADWAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU GET UP WITH A DRONE LIKE I DID, UM, YOU CAN GO DOWN AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A VERY, VERY SIMILAR DESIGN THAT, UH, APPEARS TO ME TO USE TO HAVE A FLAT ROOF THERE. 
          BUT THEY, THEY DID, UH, AT SOME POINT, WHETHER IT BE A LONG TIME AGO OR RECENTLY, DECIDED THAT IT WAS, UH, BETTER TO HAVE A PITCH THERE. 
          AND THEY, THEY DO HAVE THAT DESIGN ALREADY EXISTING DOWN THE STREET. 
          YES. 
          AND WE'RE SEEING THAT, UH, IMAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          THOSE ARE GREAT IMAGES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          AND YOU CAN GO DOWN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A A, THERE'S A, THERE, I HAVE IT FROM ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES AND PERSPECTIVES, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, QUICK REPORT FROM OUR, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE IF, UM, UH, MS. SAVINO, IF YOU WANT LEAD US OFF. 
          SURE. 
          UH, WE DISCUSSED PRIMARILY THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF, OF WHAT THAT SLOPED, UH, NEW COVERING WOULD ENTAIL, HOW THAT CONNECTION WOULD WORK. 
          UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL BE ONE CONTINUOUS, UM, UH, MONOLITHIC, UH, SHEETING OF STANDING SEAM. 
          WE ASKED WHY WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, DO A LOWER PITCH. 
          WHAT'S THE HIGHER PITCH? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED HERE, I GUESS ON THIS PAGE IS STILL ACCURATE. 
          UM, AND YES, THAT THERE WOULD BE A HIP RESOLUTION ON THOSE EDGES AND THOSE PLANES, UH, INSTEAD OF A, THAT TERMINATE THAT PORCH ROOF INSTEAD OF HAVING A FLAT VERTICAL WALL. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO SOME DISCUSSION BY, UM, UH, ANOTHER COMMITTEE MEMBER ABOUT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE MATERIAL AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THE HISTORIC HOUSE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I PICKED UP. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. 
          UM, MR. VELASQUEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING, UH, SUBSTANTIVE TO ADD TO THE D R C REPORT? Y YES SIR. 
          Y YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE OF THE, UH, THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT I THINK WAS RE REALLY MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT WE'RE USING THE TERM HIP WHEN WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT GRADUAL SLOPE, MORE LIKE A CRICKET, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, SO, SO THAT THE, THE OBJECTIVE BECOMES NOT NOT JUST GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WATER OFF THE ROOF, BUT GETTING IT OFF WITH A MINIMAL SLOPE NECESSARY. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, IT DOES BECOME IMPORTANT TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, A DISTINCTION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN JUSTIFY A HIP VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A NECESSARY SLOPE OFF OF A COMMON FLAT ROOF. 
          SO I GUESS A CONVERSATION THEN BECOMES, WHERE'S THAT JUNCTION? AND WHAT IS THE MATERIALITY BETWEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ROOF, THE ROOF THAT I THINK HE'S SHOWING US RIGHT NOW, IS THAT A, IS THAT A FOLDED SEAM OR IS IT A STANDING SEAM? YOU KNOW, THE, THE IMAGE THAT HE TOOK WITH THE DRONE, UH, AND THEN THAT YOU NOTICE THAT IT HAS A GUTTER TREATMENT. 
          RIGHT? 
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SO ALL OF THOSE LITTLE DETAILS, I THINK THEY NEED TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED, RIGHT? SEE, IT HAS THAT GUTTER TREATMENT AS WELL, RIGHT? WELL, THE EXISTING ROOF DOES HAVE A GUTTER ALREADY PRESENT, RIGHT? BUT ALL OF THOSE, ALL, ALL OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE INTEGRATED DETAILS, RIGHT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN INTEGRATED GUTTER SYSTEM, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A STEEL TO STEEL GUTTER SYSTEM, RIGHT? SO IF YOU'RE BRINGING THAT PITCH ALL THE WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW DOWN THAT, THAT IS A PITCH THAT IS SUPPORTED BY A, A SLOPED INSULATION BOARD VERSUS FRAMING A PITCH. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE OPTIONS. 
          AND, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE D R C, UH, I, I WAS, UM, UM, REALLY ASKING FOR THE APPLICANT TO BRING BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, DETAIL THAT WAS BASED ON THE ABSOLUTE MINIMAL SLOPE WITH, UH, UM, A MATERIAL THAT, YOU KNOW, WA WAS EITHER A FLAT METAL THAT ED VERSUS IT BEING A, A, YOU KNOW, A SEAM THAT JUNCTIONS. 
          UM, SO, UH, IN THAT PICTURE, IS THAT A STANDING SEAM OR IS IT A FOLDED SEAM? WE SAW, IT APPEARS TO ME TO BE A STANDING SEAM ROOF, JUST LIKE WE'RE THE ONE WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, CAN WE, CAN WE SEE THAT PICTURE AGAIN BECAUSE STAFF TAKES IN THE PICTURE. 
          IT APPEARS TO BE A FLAT SEAM TO ME. 
          UM, BUT I THINK, I THINK YOU BRING, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WHEN WE GET INTO DISCUSSION A LITTLE FURTHER. 
          LET'S SEE IF, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, CERVANTES, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, THE D R C AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS? NO, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, THAT CAN GET US, LEAD US OFF ON THIS, UH, DISCUSSION? I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EX THAT WE APPROVE THE PROJECT AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NOW, MR. VELASQUEZ, YOU WERE, UH, HITTING UPON SOME THINGS THERE. 
          I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO LEAD OFF BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE HITTING UPON MY CONCERNS THAT WERE NOT SEEN THE KINDS OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT WOULD SUGGEST HOW, UH, THE OLD AND NEW ROOF ARE GOING TO INTERACT. 
          AND WELL, I MEAN, AND ALSO THE, HOW THE, UH, NEW ROOF IS GOING TO INTEGRATE WITH THE GUTTER SYSTEM AS WELL. 
          WE'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THAT. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          AND I THINK THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN IS, IS, IS A GOOD IMAGE BECAUSE YOU CAN NOTICE HOW THEY JUNCTION THE VA, I MEAN THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE RIDGE, RIGHT? SO IT HAS A RIDGE CAP, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, IT, IT SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS IS A, AN INTERESTING EXAMPLE, IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST EXAMPLE, RIGHT? UM, WHAT, WHAT I WAS ASKING THE APPLICANT TO, TO INVESTIGATE WASN'T SO MUCH WHAT MATERIAL, UM, UH, THE, THE JOINING MATERIALS THAT THEY WOULD CHOOSE TO JOIN, BUT WHETHER THEY COULD ACHIEVE, UH, THE, UM, THE JUNCTION USING A FLAT, UH, PANEL STEEL THAT IS, THAT IS, UM, WELDED RIGHT? UM, THE DETAILS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, JUST TO KIND OF BE INFORMED ABOUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SMARTEST WAY TO DO THIS JUNCTION IS THAT THEY, THEY STOP THE SLOPE HIGHER AND THEN CREATE A VERTICAL PANEL AT THE JUNCTION OF THE, OF THE FLAT PART WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE PITCHED PART. 
          AND OF COURSE, THERE'S A WHOLE DETAIL SYSTEM FOR ALL THAT I, I, I'M, I TOOK A PICTURE OF ONE AND, AND IT'S BEEN SO LONG I DON'T HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THOSE WERE THE, THOSE WERE MY MAIN CONCERNS, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT REALLY, FOR ME, FOR ME, IT, IT BECOMES KIND OF IMPERATIVE THAT WHAT IS ACHIEVED IS THE ABSOLUTE MINIMAL SLOPE. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, OBVIOUSLY THAT IT CAN, IT CAN BE DONE A HUNDRED DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IN TERMS OF, IN, UH, OF, OF, OF VALUING THE INTEGRITY OF THAT FLAT SLOPE, UM, OR NEAR FLAT SLOPE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, NOT BRING THE SAME PICTURE BUT INVESTIGATE THAT OTHER SITUATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I, IF I'M ALLOWED, UH, TO SPEAK ON THAT OR YEAH, GO AHEAD AND, AND SPEAK TO THAT. 
          NOT, I, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU MEANT A FLAT ROOFING MATERIAL LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU WERE SPEAKING BEFORE OF LIKE T P O OR A, YOU KNOW, DURALAST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY ACHIEVING IT WITH A FLAT ROOF MATERIAL? WELL, NO, I, I, I THINK IT'S, IT PROBABLY MORE CORRECT TO SAY STEPPING BACK FROM A A, A METAL MATERIAL, RIGHT? THAT IS FLAT AND THAT, AND THAT IS WATERTIGHT AND STEPPING AWAY FROM IT. 
          WHAT KIND OF A JUNCTION CAN YOU GET? IF, IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT? I MEAN, CAN YOU DO IT WITH A, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DULAS AND THE FIGURE, FORGET WHAT THE OTHER, UH, BRAND IS 
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THAT THEY, THEY THEY MAKE A, UM, A A P V C THAT IS THE SAME COLOR, YOU KNOW, AS, AS A, AS A METAL, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT WATER TIGHTNESS IS YOUR ISSUE. 
          WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE ISSUE. 
          THE, THE THING IS, IF YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, THIS IS AN INSURANCE CLAIM FROM A LARGE HAILSTORM THAT HAPPENED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          AND, UH, OUR GOAL IN THIS IS NOT TO PROVIDE A PARTIAL ROOF REPLACEMENT THAT'S A PERMANENT ONE, LIKE THE, THE METAL. 
          'CAUSE WE'RE REPLACING ALL OF THE ROOF, THE, THE ENTIRE ROOF. 
          SO THE, THE TOP PART'S GONNA BE REPLACED WITH A STANDING SEAM AND THE BOTTOM PART WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE WITH A STANDING SEAM AS WELL. 
          IF WE WERE TO REPLACE THE BOTTOM PART WITH SOMETHING INFERIOR MATERIAL, SUCH AS T P O, THEN AS SOON AS HAIL HITS IT AGAIN, THAT BECOMES A FUNCTIONAL ISSUE AND A TICKING TIME BOMB FOR THAT BUILDING. 
          UH, THE STANDING SEAM, IF HAIL HITS IT, AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A COSMETIC ISSUE THAT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WATER PENETRATING THE BUILDING. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO JUST FOR SOME REASON THINK THAT, LET'S PUT A STANDING SEAM ON THE MAIN AREA, BUT A, A A A TEMPORARY OR FLAT ROOF SYSTEM, T P O, DURA, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, NO MATTER WHAT COLOR IT IS, IT'S STILL, ONCE IT GETS HIT BY HAIL, IT'S A FUNCTIONAL ISSUE. 
          AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP THE BUILDING. 
          UH, IF THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT IT GOT HIT, THEN THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL LEAKS THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WAS A, A SUBSTANDARD MATERIAL. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE IT WITH A, WITH A FULL STANDING SEAM ROOF ON THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. 
          THAT WAY, IF IT DOES GET HIT WITH SOMETHING, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, OR COMPROMISE OR, OR ANY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT ANY WORRY TO THE BUILDING EXCEPT FOR MORE OF A, OF A COSMETIC WORRY. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THE, YOU KNOW, BEGIN BY SAYING THAT IT'S A, A FLAT, UH, PANEL OF STEEL THAT IS WELDED IN THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE IT. 
          UH, BUT I MEAN, IF, IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S THE, THE LACK OF, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIED CRAFTSMANSHIP, UM, WELL, THEN YOU WOULD STEP BACK AND, AND MITIGATING, UH, PENETRATION INTO YOUR TPOS OR YOUR DURAS IS REALLY A MATTER OF WHAT YOUR SUB UH, PANEL IS, WHETHER IT ALLOWS ANY BOUNCE OR WHETHER YOU JUST PUT IT ON A HARD DECK. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S WAYS TO MITIGATE ALL THAT, BUT, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S A LOWER CLASS, UH, HAIL IMPACT MATERIAL IN GENERAL. 
          SO THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN, OH, NO, NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH, YOU KNOW, LIKE ABSOLUTELY HAVING A, A, UH, UM, A ROOF THAT CAN BE PENETRATED BY, BY, BY A BULLET THAT LANDS DOWN FROM THE SKY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY THE, THE FIRST THING THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT YOU WOULD LOOK INTO A FLAT METAL PANEL. 
          UM, WELL, MY, MY GOAL IS TO LEAN INTO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WHICH IS, WHICH WERE TO PROVIDE A, A LOW ENOUGH PITCH TO NOT BE SEEN ON THE, ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO I'M LEANING INTO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SO THAT THE CLIENT AND THE BUILDING ARE BOTH, UH, SECURE IN THE MATERIAL THAT WE ARE USING AND THE PITCH THAT WE ARE ACHIEVING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE POSITIVE DRAINAGE. 
          AND, UH, IF, IF THERE'S A METAL ROOF THAT CAN BE FLAT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA NEED POSITIVE DRAINAGE, UM, ON A METAL ROOF. 
          AND, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE ACHIEVED A, UH, A DESIGN THAT CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, BUT WILL PROTECT THE BUILDING. 
          AND IT ALSO, AGAIN, WE JUST SHOWED A BUILDING THAT LOOKS, UH, SIMILAR TO THAT DOWN THE STREET. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE IT ALREADY HAS A HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, PRE PRECEDENT THAT WE CAN, UH, LOOK TO AND SAY THAT IT'S NOT VERY FAR OFF FROM THAT. 
          WELL, I JUST, YOU, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, UH, LET'S, LET'S, UH, MOVE ON HERE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA BORE INTO TOO DEEPLY. 
          WE NEED TO SORT OF FOCUS ON WHAT IS THE, THE MOTION AND WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE, RATHER THAN A BUNCH OF OTHER ALTERNATIVES. 
          UH, MR. BAZOOKA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED MOTION? NO, I THINK THE SOLUTION THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED IS AN, IS AN EXCELLENT ONE TO HAVE A CONTINUOUS METAL ROOF THAT SLOPES FROM THE BUILDING TO THE PORCH, AND THEN WITH A, WITH A GENTLE SLOPE ON THE PORCH. 
          I THINK THAT SEEMS TO SOLVE THE SOLUTION FOR ME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. SANTE, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY COMMENTS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          MR. GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          NO COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY, . 
          MR. UH, UH, MR. WHITE, CAN YOU, UM, CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE ALSO REPLACING THE ROOF OF THE MAIN HOUSE? YES. 
          THE TOP PART? YES. 
          YES. 
          THE ENTIRE ROOF IS GETTING REPLACED. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ENTIRE, THE, THE GREEN, THE, YEAH, EVERYTHING ON THE, ON THE ROOF. 
          UH, SUPER. 
          AND 
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YOU ARE PLANNING ON DOUBLE MUNCHING OR MUNCHING THOSE SEAMS, THOSE RIDGE SEAMS ALSO? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SUPER. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIAL TO ACHIEVING WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          IT SEEMED LIKE THE EARLIER PRESENTATIONS, UH, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE, IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE AN OVERBUILD. 
          UM, BUT THE INTENT IS ACTUALLY THE ENTIRE ROOF IS BEING IN, IN BE BEING REPLACED AND INSTALLED. 
          UM, MY ONLY COMMENT FROM A TECHNICAL STANDPOINT, THAT EVEN WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THESE SORT OF LOW PITCHES, LIKE TWO AND 12, UH, THAT METAL ROOF BECOMES THEN CEREBRAL COSMETIC, AND YOU REALLY, THEN YOU'RE RELYING UPON YOUR UNDERLAYMENT. 
          UM, SO I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK WITH YOUR, YOUR ROOFING TECHNOLOGY PEOPLE, YOUR, YOUR BUILDING ENVELOPE PEOPLE, AND YOUR ROOFING INSTALLER TO, TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE GETTING A COMPATIBLE SYSTEM. 
          BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, THE INTENT OF THIS BEING A METAL ROOF, UH, OVER THE, THE PORCH IS THE, THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF HISTORIC, UH, OPTIONS THAT WERE AVAILABLE AND UTILIZED, INCLUDING FLAT SEAM METAL ROOFS AND SOLDERED SEAM METAL ROOFS. 
          UM, BUT, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING A STANDING SEAM DOUBLE MUNCHED, UH, UH, ROOF HERE. 
          AND SO I, I CAN SUPPORT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          LET'S SEE IF YOU GET, THANK YOU. 
          VERY QUICKLY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, IN THE MOTION, UH, BECAUSE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PICTURE THAT WAS SHOWN TO US, THE, THE PICTURE IS NOT BEING USED AS A DETAIL EXAMPLE, RIGHT? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THERE ARE RICH CAPS ON THAT, UH, OTHER IMAGE THAT WE'RE NOT, THIS MOTION IS NOT, UM, UH, APPROVING RIDGE CAPS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          ON THE, ON THE OTHER REPLACEMENT, RIGHT? THE WHOLE THING IS BEING REPLACED. 
          I BELIEVE THAT RIDGE CAPS, THAT, THAT SIT FLUSH WITH THE ROOF ARE ALLOWABLE UNDER HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          WE DON'T ALLOW THE SORT OF STANDING DIMENSIONAL, UH, RIDGE, A RIDGE CAB VENT IS WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED. 
          BUT YOU CAN EITHER DO THE DOUBLE MUNCH SEAM ON THE RIDGE OR A FLAT SEAM ON THE RIDGE. 
          RIGHT? AND THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT AGREED, CONFIRMED THE APPLICANT IS CONFIRMED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GETTING THOSE VENTED ROOF, UH, EAVES OR RIDGES, AND THAT IT'LL BE A DOUBLE MU MUNCHED. 
          OKAY? THANK YOU, SIR. 
          NO, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL, UH, APPEARANCE OF THIS THING. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THE, THE CARE THAT'S BEING TAKEN. 
          UM, SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL AND MOVE THIS ALONG. 
          GIBBS, AYE, FISH, UH, FISH IS ABSENT. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          I AM SO SORRY. 
          I SKIPPED MASUKA. 
          AYE AND ANTE? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          GOOD LUCK WITH THE ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          ITEM 16, UH, SORRY, ITEM 19, ITEM 19 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 5 7 1 1 5 GORMAN STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 660 SQUARE FOOT EDITION. 
          REMOVE THE EXISTING ATTACHED CARPORT AND CONSTRUCT A DETACHED CARPORT WITH ENCLOSED STORAGE. 
          REPLACE ONE DOOR ON THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH A SALVAGE DOUBLE-HUNG WOOD WINDOW. 
          ADD TWO SALVAGE DOUBLE-HUNG WOOD WINDOWS TO THE WEST ELEVATION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, AND FILL A ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. 
          ADD A DECK MOUNTED SKYLIGHT TO THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          REPLACE METAL COLUMNS WITH WOOD COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCING. 
          CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL AT THE REAR OF THE PARCEL, PARTIALLY DEMOLISH THE EXISTING FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY TO CREATE A CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, ADD PERVIOUS PAVERS TO THE WEST EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND ADD PERVIOUS PAVERS TO THE BACKYARD. 
          OKAY, BEAR WITH ME AS WE GO THROUGH THESE. 
          UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE CONSTRUCTION OF A 600 SQUARE 660 SQUARE FOOT EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT USE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ON THE PYRAMIDAL ROOF FORM IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, STYLE, AND MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAT THE APPLICANT USED WOOD CLADDING IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAT THE APPLICANT USED WOOD WINDOWS THAT RELATE TO THOSE FOUND ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE, NAMELY ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCED EAVES IN KEEPING WITH THE ROOF FORM ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING CARPORT AND CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED CARPORT WITH 
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ENCLOSED STORAGE. 
          BASED ON FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM THREE, REPLACEMENT OF ONE DOOR ON THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH A SALVAGE DOUBLE HUNG WOOD WINDOW BASED ON FINDING G. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS FOUR THROUGH SIX BASED ON FINDING H STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS SIX INFILL OF A ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW ON THE NORTH ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE WINDOW BE SALVAGE AND RETAINED ON SITE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, REPLACING METAL COLUMNS WITH WOOD COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE EXISTING HOUSE BASED ON FINDING JAY. 
          WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE COLUMNS FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE WITH CHAMFORD CORNERS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM EIGHT, REPLACING THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCED WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCING BASED ON FINDING K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE FOREFOOT FENCE BEGIN WHERE THE FRONT PORCH MEETS THE HOUSE ON THE EAST ELEVATION AND BEHIND THE FRONT MOSTS WINDOW ON THE WEST ELEVATION, THAT THE FOREFOOT FRONT YARD FENCE BE TRANSPARENT THAT A FINAL MEASURED DRAWING OF THE FENCE DESIGN BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR APPROVAL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NINE, CONSTRUCTION OF AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY WALL AT THE REAR OF THE PARCEL. 
          BASED ON FINDING L STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM 10, PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY TO CREATE A CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING M STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM 11, ADDING PERVIOUS PAVERS TO THE WEST EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY BASED ON FINDING N STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM 12, ADDING, ADDING PERVIOUS PAVERS TO THE BACKYARD BASED ON FINDING O AND APPLICANT COTTON ESTES IS HERE IN PERSON PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BEFORE WE ADDRESS THAT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT JUST A VERY BRIEF RECESS OF FIVE MINUTES TO DEAL WITH SOME NECESSITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S, UH, DRAW IT BACK TO ORDER HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOT A QUORUM. 
          YES. 
          MS. ROSS? YES. 
          WE YOU'RE THERE? YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD DEAL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND CHERRY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AFTER, UM, COTTON SPEAKS, WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL, WE HAVE, WE ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO AFTER COTTON SPEAK. 
          ALRIGHT, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, EVENING COMMITTEE. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          MY NAME IS KATI. 
          I AM THE ARCHITECT AND OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE OWNERS AND CURRENT OCCUPANTS OF ONE 15 GORMAN STREET. 
          UM, SO IN THE INTEREST OF, UM, IN, IN RESPECT FOR YOUR TIME, I THINK I'LL, I'LL FOCUS NAMELY ON STAFF'S STIPULATIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, DISCUSS WITH THE COMMITTEE TODAY. 
          UM, SEVERAL OF THE STIPULATIONS WHERE IN AGREEMENT WITH AND SEVERAL OTHERS, UM, I'VE PREPARED A, A BRIEF SUPPLEMENTAL, UM, MATERIAL PACKAGE TO AID AID DISCUSSION OF THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. UM, IS IT OKAY WITH EVERYONE IF I FOCUS ON THOSE? YEAH. 
          AND I, I WILL JUST SHARE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS THAT I, I BRIEFLY SPOKE WITH MS. ESTES ABOUT THAT TO SORT OF FOCUS ON THE SIX ITEMS THAT WE HAVE, EITHER STIPULATIONS OR, UH, DENIAL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF JUST TO HELP STREAMLINE OUR DISCUSSION A BIT. 
          AND, AND THOSE ARE FOR THE STIPULATIONS ARE ITEMS 1, 6, 7, AND EIGHT, AND THE DENIALS ARE THREE AND 11. 
          SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS, THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND LET US KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE OUT OF 1, 6, 7, AND EIGHT ARE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU ACCEPT. 
          AND WE CAN KIND OF PUT THOSE ASIDE THEN. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT. 
          UM, AND WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT ITEMS ONE, THREE, AND 11. 
          GREAT. 
          WE'VE WHITTLED IT DOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO JESSICA, I THINK WE CAN FOCUS ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE LINE. 
          PERFECT. 
          UM, SO I'LL GET A LITTLE HEADSTART HERE AS SHE PULLS, PULLS THAT UP FOR US. 
          UM, I WANTED TO THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR TREATMENT OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES. 
          UM, THEY HAVE ONE, ONE PAGE IN PARTICULAR PERTAINING TO ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT I THOUGHT SOME DO SUMMED UP. 
          UM, THE CHALLENGE OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, PRETTY WELL, WHICH IS THIS ISSUE OF COMPATIBILITY. 
          UM, THIS IS A, A DIRECT QUOTE FROM THEIR, THEIR GUIDE, NEW ADDITIONS AND RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE EITHER IDENTICAL TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING OR AN EXTREME CONTRAST TO IT ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. 
          UM, SO THEY GO ON TO EXPLAIN THIS BALANCE OF DIFFERENTIATION AND COMPATIBILITY, UH, WHICH I THINK IS RELEVANT TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          WHERE WE'RE, 
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UM, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, UH, BASICALLY TO, TO REPLICATE THE EXACT MATERIALS FOUND ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UM, SO I WANTED TO TAKE, TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE, UM, MATERIALS AND DETAILS AND SEE HOW WE CAN, UH, BE EXTREMELY RESPECTFUL OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, WHICH EVEN THOUGH IT'S HUMBLE, I THINK IT HAS A LOT OF INTEGRITY, UM, AND CLARITY. 
          IT HASN'T, IT REALLY HASN'T BEEN ADDED ONTO OR FUSSED WITH MUCH OVER THE YEARS. 
          SO IT'S, IT DOES, UH, I THINK HAVE A, A 1930S KIND OF INTEGRITY AND STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, IN HONORING BY NOT REPLICATING IT, BUT COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT RESPONDS TO ITS DISTINCTIVE PROPORTIONS AND, AND DETAILING IN A WAY THAT IS, UM, NOT CONCEALING THE FACT THAT THIS IS A NEW ADDITION. 
          SO I ALSO, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          PERFECT. 
          UH, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, JUST TO PUT THIS IN, IN CONTEXT, UH, THE ONLY ASPECTS OF THIS ADDITION THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET ARE THE ROOF, UH, WHICH IS A PYRAMIDAL HIP HIP ROOF, AND, UH, A SMALL SLIVER OF THE GLAZING, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE JUST BETWEEN THE PROPOSED CARPORT AND THE EXISTING HOUSE TO THE LEFT. 
          AND OF COURSE, THE, UH, THE CARPORT AND ENCLOSED STORAGE IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH WE WON'T, WON'T REALLY FOCUS ON, ON THE DESIGN BECAUSE I THINK THE CARPORT WAS PART OF THE APPROVALS. 
          UM, SO THAT VIEW IS TAKEN FROM ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, ACTUALLY ON THE, MY LITTLE KEY DIAGRAM, IT'S ACTUALLY FROM THE OPPOSITE, UH, SIDEWALK. 
          THIS IS WHERE THIS VIEW IS TAKEN. 
          SO AS YOU MOVE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, LESS OF THE ADDITION, UM, IS VISIBLE. 
          MORE IS CONCEALED BY, BY THE ROOF OF THAT, UH, LOW SLOPE CARPORT, CARPORT ROOF. 
          SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I'LL, I'LL KIND OF CALL OUT AS WE GO, MOVE THROUGH ELEVATIONS, WHICH ELEVATIONS ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT JUST WANTED TO, TO SHARE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, ADE'S STIPULATION ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          THIS IS STIPULATION TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT USED WOOD CLADDING AND KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UM, WE ARE PROPOSING STUCCO SIDING, UH, WHICH WE FIND TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND WITH THE MATERIALS OF THE HOME. 
          UM, BECAUSE THESE ARE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIALS ARE COMMONLY FOUND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON 1910 TO 1930 CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOMES. 
          UM, THE STUCCO COLOR WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, INTENDED TO COMPLIMENT THE WOOD SIDING. 
          IT'S KIND OF A WARM OFF-WHITE TONE, AND IT'S INTENTIONALLY MORE FLAT THAN THE WATERFALL, THE HISTORIC WATERFALL SIDING, UM, WHICH HAS MANY SHADOW LINES BASED AT ROUGHLY TWO AND THREE QUARTERS. 
          UM, SO IT'S MUCH MORE ARTICULATED THAN THE KIND OF PLANNER STUCCO WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          SO THAT'S AN INTENTIONAL DEFERENCE TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, WOOD SIDING. 
          THE, UH, TWO EXAMPLES SHOWN IN THE O H P GUIDELINES, UH, FOR ADDITIONS ARE BOTH SHOWING ORIGINAL MASONRY BUILDINGS WITH WOOD, UM, ADDITIONS. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR COMBINATION OF MATERIALS, A MASONRY, UH, TYPE MATERIAL STUCCO, WHICH WOULD BE A TRADITIONAL CHICO STUCCO, NOT A SYNTHETIC STUCCO, AND THE ORIGINAL WATERFALL EDGE SIDING. 
          UM, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST REITERATE FROM THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS THAT THE ADDITION IS CLEARLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE BY A GLAZED CONNECTOR. 
          SO THAT OFFERS A, A, A NATURAL BREAK BREAK POINT BETWEEN MATERIALS. 
          UM, IT, IT FEATURES A FLAT ROOF, SO NEITHER THE ROOF NOR THE SIDING ARE EVER IN DIRECT, UM, CONTACT. 
          YES, THAT'S TRUE. 
          THEY'RE NEVER IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO INSTEAD OF AN ADDITION AS AN EXTENSION OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL VOLUME WITHOUT CON GLOMMING ONTO IT OR DISTORTING ITS ITS FEATURES, UM, BY SEPARATING THOSE MATERIALS AND THE MASSING. 
          UM, SO THE NEXT STIPULATION, UH, 
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THIS IS STIPULATION NUMBER ONE FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT USED COMPOSITION SINGLE SHINGLE ON THE PYRAMID ROOF AND KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UM, OUR COUNTER ARGUMENT HERE IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIRST, FIRST ITEM, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS A KIND OF DETACHED AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, BY DETACHED I MEAN VISUALLY DETACHED BY THAT FLAT ROOF GLOWED CONNECTOR, UH, THAT WE FEEL A HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIAL WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE HERE IN LIEU OF, UM, AN INFERIOR MATERIAL, WHICH IS ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. 
          UM, ON THE LEFT ARE SEVERAL, UH, LOCAL EXAMPLES. 
          THESE ARE HAVE WITHIN A TWO BLOCK RADIUS OF THE PROJECT. 
          UM, THESE ARE BOTH, UH, EITHER VERY, VERY OLD STANDING SEAMS, MAYBE ORIGINAL, LIKE THAT LOWER RIGHT IMAGE THAT'S THE RESTED STANDING SEAM DOUBLE MUNCH ROOF, UM, ON A CRAFTSMAN HOUSE FROM, FROM THE SAME, SAME PERIOD. 
          UH, AND THERE ARE ALSO NEW, NEW EXAMPLES AS WELL OF REPLACEMENT ROOFS, UM, PRESUMABLY REPLACING ORIGINAL STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS OR ASPHALT SHINGLE. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE PROPOSE IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD FEEL IS, IS MUCH LONGER LASTING, UM, MORE SUSTAINABLE, UH, FOR ITS RESISTANCE TO SOLAR HEAT GAIN. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS ONE DAY THE SHINGLE ROOF, UH, WOULD BE REPLACED WITH, WITH A SIMILAR, UH, METAL ROOF. 
          THE, THE COLOR OF THE METAL ROOF WE PROPOSE IS ALSO DARK IN COLOR TO STAND BACK FROM THE EXISTING DARK, UM, SHINGLES. 
          SO WE ARE MAKING AN EFFORT NOT TO VISUALLY COMPETE OR CONTRAST, UM, BUT TO, TO IMPROVE WITH HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE MATERIALS THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE NEXT, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THESE, THIS IS A, THE EAST ELEVATION, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STRAIGHT, AND YOU CAN SEE THE GLAZED CONNECTOR AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION IN BACK. 
          UM, THIS IS ONE, ONE INSTANCE HERE WHERE WE'RE RESPONDING TO STAFF'S COMMENTS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT APPLICANT USED WINDOWS THAT RELATE TO THOSE FOUND ON THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE, NAMELY ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. 
          UM, SO THE WINDOWS WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, PRIMARILY CONSIST OF TWO, TWO TYPES. 
          ONE IS, UH, A GLAZED CONNECTOR TYPE OR SEE-THROUGH TYPE WINDOW WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE A BREAK BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOME AND THE ADDITION. 
          AND THE SECOND TYPE, UM, TAKES PLACE IN, IN THE KITCHEN WHERE, UH, WE HAVE A COUNTER HEIGHT, UM, WORK SURFACE IN THE KITCHEN. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN'T SEE THIS FROM THE STREET, WE ARE MAKING AN EFFORT TO RELATE PROPORTIONALLY TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT TYPE A AND B THERE, ALTHOUGH IT IS A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION THAN A ONE OVER ONE. 
          UM, IN THE KITCHEN WE'RE PROPOSING TWO SLIDING UNITS. 
          AND, UH, JUST AS AN EXERCISE HERE, I BRIEFLY LOOKED AT A SERIES OF FOUR, UM, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS TO A PLACE THAT ONE SINGLE SLIDING WINDOW. 
          AND, UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE SMALLER ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS REALLY RESULT IN KIND OF A, A MINIATURIZATION, UM, AND OVER ARTICULATION COMPARED TO THE PROPORTIONS AND SASH SIZES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE. 
          SO, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IF THERE WERE PARTICULAR WINDOWS OF CONCERN. 
          BUT OUR FEELING IS THAT THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, A NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND IF WE'RE MAKING, MAKING A, AN EFFORT TO RELATE PROPORTIONALLY, UM, TO THE EXISTING HOME, AND IF THESE NONE OF THE WINDOWS ARE, ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, UH, WE HOPE THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I THINK IS A, A BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE DOWN THE STREET OF A SIMILAR APPROACH. 
          IF YOU CAN SEE THE, UM, SQUARES HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THERE, THERE'S A MUCH MORE, UM, STRIPPED DOWN NO IONS ON THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS A, A CONTEMPORARY ADDITION. 
          UM, BUT THE ROUGH OPENING THERE OF THAT WINDOW IS THE SAME SIZE AS THE ORIGINAL DOUBLE ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT. 
          UM, 
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THIS IS ALSO A GOOD EXAMPLE I THINK OF THAT BREAK, UH, THE GLAZED CONNECTOR THAT DISTINGUISHES, UH, A CONTEMPORARY ADDITION FROM FROM THE ORIGINAL HOME ON THE RIGHT. 
          OKAY, WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AND THEN STIPULATION ONE FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INTRODUCE EAVES IN KEEPING WITH A ROOF FORM ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          UM, OPEN, OPEN EVES ARE A VERY DISTINCTIVE FEATURE OF CRAFTSMAN HOMES, THE EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, UM, AND PARTICULARLY ON, ON THIS HOU HOUSE. 
          UM, THE EVE WE'RE PROPOSING MATCHES THE EXISTING EVE AND IN MANY IMPORTANT WAYS, UH, THE DEPTH OF THE EVE IS THE SAME. 
          THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF IS THE SAME, THE HEIGHT BETWEEN FINISHED FLOOR AND THE BOTTOM OF THE EVE IS THE SAME. 
          THE NEW ADDITION FINISHED FLOOR TO BOTTOM OF EVE AND THE EXISTING HOUSE FINISHED FLOOR TO BOTTOM OF EIV, AS WELL AS THE DRIP EDGE, UM, DETAIL. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO USE THE EXACT SAME DRIP EDGE, WHICH WOULD CONTINUE AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF THE ADDITION. 
          UM, AND WE SEE THAT REALLY IS WHEN YOU STEP BACK FROM THIS HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT YOU'RE READING ARE THE, THE SHADOW, THE PLANES OF SHADOW AND WHERE, HOW DEEP THAT EVE IS, HOW FAR THE, THE SIDING IS SET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF EVE, WHERE THE ROOF BREAKS FROM LIGHT TO TO SHADOW. 
          SO THE, I'M SHOWING SHADOW LINES HERE ON THIS NORTH ELEVATION, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ONE YOU WOULD NEVER SEE FROM THE STREET. 
          SO THIS IS FACING INTO THE BACK BACKYARD. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN READ THAT, THAT DEPTH OF EVE DOING, DOING ITS WORK THERE. 
          SO FROM AFAR YOU REALLY READ THAT DRIP LINE AS THE EDGE NOT OKAY. 
          CAN YOU QUICKLY ADDRESS ITEMS, UH, THREE AND 11 THEN, SINCE THOSE WERE DENIAL ITEMS THREE AND 11? YES. 
          UM, THREE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL, UM, DOCUMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, PAGE NUMBER 24. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO IN THE, UM, LOWER LEFT HERE, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF AN ANGLED VIEW BACK TOWARD THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH. 
          YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THERE'S A, UM, A SOLID DOOR, WHICH WAS PRESUMABLY A SECONDARY ENTRY ENTRANCE WITH A PRIMARY ENTRANCE FACING DIRECTLY ONTO THE STREET ON ACCESS WITH THE CONCRETE WALKWAY. 
          UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THAT DOOR ON THE LEFT WITH A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW. 
          UM, THIS WOULD BE SOURCED FROM A HISTORIC SALVAGE, UH, MAYBE SPARE HOPEFULLY, UM, AND PRESERVE THE EXISTING TRANSOM THAT EXISTS ABOVE THAT DOOR. 
          SO WE'RE MAINTAINING THE CONSISTENT WINDOW SILL HEIGHTS, UH, THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT THE EXISTING HOME. 
          I'M PROPOSING TO, TO KEEP THAT TRANSOM WINDOW ABOVE. 
          AND THE, THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS IS THAT THE ONLY WAY WE, UH, OR THE BEST WAY WE'VE FOUND TO ADD ON TO THIS EXISTING HOUSE IS TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT FOR, PRIMARILY FOR BEDROOMS. UM, WITH THE NEW LIVING VOLUME IN THE REAR, UH, ACCOMMODATING MORE OF A, A BACKYARD, A STRONGER BACKYARD CONNECTION. 
          UM, THESE OWNERS SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN THEIR BACKYARD, THEIR TWO YOUNG KIDS ESPECIALLY. 
          SO THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM PREROGATIVE. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY IN THE FRONT, UM, WHILE MAINTAINING THAT HISTORICAL PATTERNING. 
          SO WE DO PROPOSE TO, I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP HERE BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE KIND OF GOING ON. 
          UM, AM I, YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          ITEM NUMBER 11, WHICH, UH, PERTAINS TO THE, UH, IS A LANDSCAPING ISSUE. 
          YES. 
          UM, ALONG THIS IS A PERFECT, PERFECT SEGUE. 
          SO BECAUSE THE LIVING SPACES ARE ACTUALLY AT, AT THE REAR, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL ENTRY PATHWAY, NOT IN LIEU OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE WALKWAY THAT'S PROMINENT AND ON ACCESS WITH THE FRONT DOOR THAT WE PROPOSED TO MAINTAIN. 
          BUT WE ARE PROPOSING A, A, UM, A PERVIOUS PAVEMENT AS, UM, AN IN-BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE, THE SOLID CONCRETE THAT WALKWAY THAT EXISTS, AND THEN THE LAWN, SO IT READS AS, UM, DIMINISHED COMPARED TO THE SOLID CONCRETE WALKWAY, 
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UH, SECONDARY TO IT. 
          BUT WE FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE FLOW OF THE BUILDING AND, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A PATHWAY TO ESSENTIALLY THE, THE COMMON SPACES OF THE HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO CIRCULATE DOWN THAT THE SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY, UM, VERSUS APPROACHING THE BEDROOMS. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M SORRY I HAVE TO NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO LONG. 
          THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME ON, JACK. 
          DO WE, UH, HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH IN DIG WHITTY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 57, LOCATED AT ONE 15 GORMAN STREET. 
          WE AGREE WITH ALL OF O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF REPLACING THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD FENCING, WHICH WILL NOT BE TRANSPARENT. 
          TRADITIONALLY, WHAT HAS NORMALLY BEEN APPROVED FOR FRONT YARD FENCING HAS BEEN VERTICAL SLATS OR HOG WIRE FENCING. 
          WE ALSO WANT TO CALL OUT THAT THE MATERIAL USED FOR THE ADDITION MATCHED WHAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE EXISTING HOUSE. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, TRADITIONAL ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, SIDING AND ROOF MATERIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT, ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? LEMME SEE WHO WE SHOULD START WITH. 
          UH, MR. UH, BAZOOKA, YOU ARE THE ONE TO LEAD US OFF IN THIS. 
          SURE. 
          I'D LIKE TO DESIGN, I THINK IT'S THOUGHTFUL. 
          I, UM, AS, AS YOU DO NOT SEE IT FROM THE STREET, I THINK THAT THE DIFFERENT, THE STUCCO INSTEAD OF THE, UH, WATERFALL SIDING IS, IS APPROPRIATE, UH, OR IS, IS UNOBTRUSIVE. 
          AND THEN, UM, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE STANDING METAL SEAM ROOF DIFFERING FROM THE ASPHALT, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF, OF THIS HOUSE WITH THE, UH, OH, WITH ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE AND REVIEW THEM, BUT, UM, I THINK THE DESIGN IS THE SOUND ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. ANTES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU MR. VENO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          WHAT IS THE PLATE HEIGHT? THE CEILING PLATE HEIGHT? IN THE FLAT PORTION? NO, THE PLATE HEIGHT FOR THE WALLS IN THE ADDITION. 
          EIGHT. 
          EIGHT, THEY'RE AT EIGHT, EIGHT FEET. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE POPPING UP WITH A TRAPEZOID OR PYRAMIDAL CEILING. 
          SO IT CHANGES. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, IN THE EXISTING HOUSE, WE ARE ASKING TO, UH, REPLACE ONE OF THE TWO FRONT DOORS, RIGHT? AN EAST FACING, HOW ABOUT THE EAST FACING ORIGINAL BACK DOOR? WHAT IS, UM, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE REVIEW. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING, WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF, CAN YOU, WHICH, WHICH DOOR? THE BACK DOOR, THE ORIGINAL BACK DOOR, THERE'S A CONCRETE STEP CREATING A STOOP INTO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          IF YOU GO TO, UM, PAGE 15, THE DEMOLITION ELEVATIONS. 
          YEP. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          DRAWING NUMBER TWO. 
          YEP. 
          AND SO THAT'S AN ORIGINAL BACK DOOR. 
          IT'S HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE DRIVEWAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ALL AWARE THAT IT WASN'T ADDRESSED IN THE, THE PACKAGE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD. 
          DO YOU, I WASN'T CERTAIN THAT THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL DOOR, BECAUSE THERE'S A PIECE OF TRIM THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE UNDERSIDE OF CARPORT ROOF THERE. 
          AND THAT DOOR ALSO DOESN'T FEATURE A TRANSOM ABOVE A, A BACKDOOR MIGHT NOT HAVE, BUT THEN THAT'S WHY STAFF IT, IT FALLS INTO STAFF'S LAP. 
          OKAY. 
          TO, TO REVIEW THAT AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND ASK FOR THAT VERIFICATION. 
          SOMETIMES THOSE WERE BACK PORCHES THAT GET ENCLOSED AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          DID, UH, STAFF, IS THERE ANY INDICATION AS TO WHETHER THAT IS A, A LATER ALTERATION TO THE BUILDING? I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE, THE SANBORN MAPS. 
          I COULDN'T SAY IN THIS EXACT MOMENT. 
          IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          AND I'M, I'M, YOU BRING IT UP. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND 
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NO, NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION NOW IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET INTO TO DISCUSSION, RIGHT? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'VE GOT A MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          LET'S, UH, HAVE THEN DISCUSSION. 
          MR. VELASQUEZ, HERE'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I, FIRST, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, THE APPLICANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS, THE CARE THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS PROJECT FOR THE MOST PART. 
          I, I THINK FOR SOME, FOR SOME IT CAN BE SEEN AS A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT. 
          BUT I THINK THE LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'VE, UH, TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IS TO BE, UM, TO BE REALLY ADMIRED, UH, VERY, UH, THOUGHTFUL. 
          YOUR, YOUR ARCHITECTURAL APPROACH. 
          UH, IT TELLS ME THAT EVERY DECISION THAT YOU'VE MADE IS, UH, YOU, YOU TRY TO BE AS SENSITIVE AS YOU CAN TO THE BUILDING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SAYING, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND, AND IT, IT IS, UH, UH, WELL, WHAT DOES THE BUILDING WANT? RIGHT? SO, SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, YOU STOP ASKING YOURSELF WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST, AND YOU START TALKING TO THAT INMATE OBJECT THAT YOU KNOW, HAS A LIFE OF ITS OWN, RIGHT? AND I, I, I GET THE FEELING THAT, THAT YOU'VE TALKED TO THIS BUILDING AND THAT YOU, YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ASKED IT WHAT DOES IT WANT? AND IT'S VERY REMINISCENT TO ME OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PERIOD IN THE POSTMODERN PERIOD WHERE THE JAPANESE WERE HAVING TO RELATE TO, TO THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY HAD, AND THEY BEGAN TO ABSTRACT THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THAT WERE, WERE, WERE KIND OF CREATING LAYERS OF, OF, OF, UH, OF DIALOGUE FROM THE PAST TO THE PRESENT. 
          THE, THE WINDOW, THE TREATMENT OF THE SINGLE WINDOW VERSUS THE OTHER DIALOGUE ABOUT HOW THEY COULD BE WINDOWS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU DID IT, BECAUSE IT CREATES THIS CONTRAST, UH, BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. 
          I THINK THAT YOU HANDLED IT VERY DELICATELY. 
          NOW, TWO POINTS THAT I WOULD MAKE THAT I THINK ARE, ARE, ARE IMPORTANT. 
          I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THE CLOSING OF THAT DOOR, EVEN AS A WINDOW, BECAUSE THE DOOR IN ITSELF IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE INTEGRITY OF THE ENTRY OF THESE BUILDINGS AND THE WAY THAT THEY DID 'EM, WHERE THEY HAD THESE TWO DOORS, AND THE LIVING ROOM COULD BE IN EITHER DOOR. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT BEDROOM BY JUST IGNORING THE FACT THAT IT'S A DOOR, TREATING IT MORE PERMANENTLY AND HANDLING ITS SECURITY FROM THE INSIDE. 
          HOWEVER IT IS THAT YOU DEAL WITH THAT, IT'S, IT'S A VERY EASY THING TO DO. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT, THAT, THAT THE DOOR OPTION MAY, UH, SEND A LIGHT BULB OFF TO THAT OWNER LATER ON, WHERE THEY REALIZE THAT IT'S REALLY AN AMENITY, RIGHT? THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE WAY THAT YOU'VE ABSTRACTED AND PULLED THIS THING TO THE BACK TO WHERE IT'S, IT'S ALMOST A, A, A, A A, A LITERAL INTERPRETATION, AND THEN IT COMPLETELY LEAVES THAT RIGHT FROM THE DRAWING. 
          I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU ELIMINATED THE EVES, BUT I SEE THAT YOU DIDN'T, ALTHOUGH I THINK WOULD'VE BEEN INTERESTING IF THEY HAD JUST BEEN ELIMINATED, RIGHT? BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT TOPIC. 
          NOW FOR ME, THE WAY THAT IT, THE WAY THAT IT LEADS YOU TO THE BACK ASKS THAT THAT WALKWAY, IF THAT WALKWAY IS APPROPRIATE, RIGHT? THAT SOMEHOW YOU'RE GOING FROM THIS RIBBON DRIVEWAY, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING IT A CHARACTER THAT IS GOING TO, IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY RIGHT FROM WHAT YOU'VE TRIED TO DO SO DILIGENTLY, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT, THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME CREATIVE WAY FOR YOU TO DISSOLVE THAT WALKWAY AS IT REACHES THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, REAL UNTIL YOU GET VERY CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          RIGHT? SO, AND, AND I CAN ONLY SEE FROM THE DRAWING, IF WE COULD GO TO THE, TO THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THAT THAT PATHWAY, THAT JUST WITHIN YOUR OWN DIALOGUE, THAT, THAT IT SEEMS THAT MAYBE YOU MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THAT, THAT WALKWAY AS WE'RE COMING FROM THE STREET, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE YOU'RE DOING IT AFTER ALL. 
          I MEAN, I, I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS DRAWING, BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT THERE'S SOME CREATIVE LANGUAGE THAT THE WALKWAY THAT'S SIDE BY SIDE WITH A RIBBON WALKWAY, THAT SOMEHOW IT DISSOLVES ITSELF BEFORE IT BECOMES REAL. 
          SO THAT FROM THE STREETSCAPE, YOU, YOU'RE KIND OF WALKED INTO THIS TRANSFORMING PERIOD, UH, JOURNEY, YOU KNOW? NOW THAT BEING SAID, I WANT YOU TO JUST TO, TO KNOW THAT THE ONLY REASON THAT I THINK I CAN GIVE YOU THOSE COMMENTS IS BECAUSE I'M SO LED BY YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS. 
          I'M SO LED BY YOUR GOOD DESIGN. 
          SO, UH, I I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON, ON, ON, ON YOUR WORK, BUT ALSO ON YOUR PRESENTATION, BECAUSE I THINK IT GIVES A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT COME BEFORE US TO GIVE A PRESENTATION AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW, IF THEY WATCH YOUR PRESENTATION, I THINK THAT, UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT, IT CAN SHOW THE SERIOUSNESS OF, OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT SECONDLY, UH, YOU JUST DO A GOOD JOB. 
          [02:45:01]
SO I COMMEND YOU ON YOUR DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE MY COMMENTS, AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          OUR SECOND, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          OPENING THE FLOOR. 
          MR. GIBBS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I TOO, UM, APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I, I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB. 
          UM, YOU, WHEN I INITIALLY LOOKED AT THIS AND REVIEWED IT, IT WAS, I HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THERE, BUT YOU'VE ACTUALLY, UM, HELPED TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE FOR ME. 
          UM, BUT I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, WHAT COMMISSIONER OF ALASKA HAS STATED ABOUT THE, THE SECOND DOOR, UM, AND YOU WANTING TO REPLACE THAT WITH A, UM, WINDOW. 
          I TOO AGREE. 
          I THINK THAT IS A, A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THAT HOME. 
          SO I, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF YOU GETTING RID OF THAT DOOR, BUT, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH THE PROCESS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, I DO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP AND UPDATING YOUR DRAWINGS ALSO WITH, UH, RESPONDING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UM, I REALLY DO. 
          I, I REALLY LIKE THE WAY YOU'VE HANDLED YOUR PROGRAM AND YOUR SITE, AND I DO LIKE THAT INTERSTITIAL VOLUME TO MAKE A CLEAR SEPARATION OF THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THE NEW BUILDING, UM, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE FREEDOM BY CREATING THAT SPACE, RIGHT? UM, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DO CONCERN ME, UM, THAT I'M, UM, I'M NOT ABLE TO OVERLOOK, I GUESS. 
          UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THAT SEPARATION AFTER THAT SEPARATION, THAT PHYSICAL SEPARATION, SIDING, THE ROOF FORM OR THE OVERHANG, UM, THE, THE WINDOW, SUDDENLY EVERYTHING GETS BLOWN OUT, RIGHT? EVERYTHING IS VERY, UM, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY NON-CONFORMING, BUT IT'S NON-CONFORMING TO THE GUIDELINES. 
          IT'S SUDDENLY NOTHING. 
          IT, UM, CONFORMING, UM, AND THE FACT THAT ONE DOESN'T SEE IT, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ALLOWS SO MUCH VARIANCE FROM SOME VERY STANDARD AND SOME VERY BASIC, UH, ASPECTS OF THE GUIDELINES. 
          LET'S JUST TAKE THE, THE SIDING, FOR INSTANCE, AS ONE EXAMPLE. 
          SO IN A NUTSHELL, THE SIDING AND THE ROOF, OVERHANG, EAVES, THOSE ARE MY BIG CONCERNS. 
          I'M MORE, UH, OPEN ABOUT WINDOWS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT, UH, RELATES TO THE INTERIOR EXPERIENCE. 
          I DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING IT FROM THE STREET, BUT THEN IF THAT WERE THE CASE, NOTHING WE SAW FROM THE, FOR EVERY CASE THAT CAME BEFORE US THAT WE DON'T SEE FROM THE STREET. 
          DO WE SUDDENLY NOT HAVE GUIDELINES? YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE, BUT LET'S JUST TAKE THE SIDING. 
          UM, THE EXPRESSION OF A STUCCO MASONRY SIDING IS ONE OF PERMANENCE. 
          ITS PLASTICITY IS EXPRESSED DIFFERENTLY AS YOU DETAIL WINDOWS IF YOU HA AS YOU HAVE YOUR FORM. 
          AND IT, IT IS A MORE ROBUST, A HIGHLY EMBODIED MATERIAL. 
          SO IT COMES OFF ACROSS AS A, A SIGNIFICANT SIDING MATERIAL. 
          AND THE EXAMPLES YOU SHOWED, THE MASONRY IS THE MAIN HOUSE. 
          THE WOOD, THE MORE EPHEMERAL, UM, LESS MASSIVE MATERIAL IS THE ADDITION. 
          SO IT'S HOW THOSE MATERIALS ARE EXPRESSED RELATIVE TO EACH OTHER. 
          I THINK THE MASONRY IS JUST HEAVY. 
          IF YOU WERE TO DO A, A CEMENT BOARD WITH A DIFFERENT SPACING THAN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, YOU CAN HAVE THAT SAME MODERN EXPRESSION AND SIMPLE EXPRESSION WITHOUT DUPLICATING THE HOUSE, BUT ALSO NOT INFERRING, UH, SOME OTHER MONUMENTAL MATERIAL. 
          SO THAT'S, I KNEW I HAD JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE LOVED THE, UH, EXCHANGE. 
          UM, BUT THAT, I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH THOSE COMMISSIONERS WHO'VE ALREADY MADE COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE DOOR ON THE FRONT. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WE SEE THAT REDUNDANT, UH, ENTRY DOOR COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION A LOT. 
          AND IN THE, THE TYPICALLY WHAT OUR RESPONSE IS THAT YOU CAN SEAL IT OFF ON THE INSIDE IF YOU ARE NEEDING A DIFFERENT WALL TREATMENT OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT YOU RETAIN THAT VESTIGE. 
          'CAUSE THAT IS A REALLY A UNIQUE FEATURE OF HAVING THESE TWO FRONT DOORS. 
          AND IT COMES FROM AN EARLIER AGE OF NATURAL VENTILATION AND, AND SOMETIMES, UH, SUBDIVISION TENANTS OF, OF HOUSES AND THAT SORT OF THING. 
          AND I ALSO, UH, RESONATE 
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WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE JUST MADE PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE, THE WOOD SIDING VERSUS THE STUCCO. 
          I THINK IT KIND OF INVERTS THE HIERARCHY OF THINGS WHERE YOU HAVE SO CAREFULLY IN SO MANY OTHER WAYS, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT AND SORT OF THE, THE MODEST FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING AND PUSHING IT BACK AND SEPARATING IT WITH THIS LIGHT TOUCH, ALL THOSE THINGS SEEM TO REALLY WORK WELL. 
          BUT THEN IT IS RENDERED IN SOMETHING THAT JUST SEEMS COUNTER TO THOSE INTENTIONS OF THIS, THIS BEING A VERY DIMINUTIVE TYPE OF, OF STRUCTURE. 
          SO, UM, IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO GET THE HIERARCHY OUT OF WAC. 
          USUALLY YOU HAVE THE MORE NOBLE MATERIAL ON THE, ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE SECONDARY STRUCTURES HAVE A, UM, A LESS NOBLE MATERIAL, RIGHT? SO I, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO ACCEPT AS SUBMITTED. 
          ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS YOU, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, MY MOTION, I, I KIND OF, YOU, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE, HE IMMEDIATELY KIND OF, UH, BROUGHT TO, TO MIND FOR ME, THE MISS VANDERAU ADDITION TO THE MUSEUM IN HOUSTON, AS YOU COULDN'T GET ANY MORE ALIEN. 
          BUT IT, IT ISN'T SO MUCH JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE TYPES OF BUILDINGS COME TOGETHER, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS, UM, UH, AN AN INTENTIONAL EFFORT TO CREATE A BREAK BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW, THE MOST, DEFINITELY THAT CRITERIA HAS BEEN MADE AND, AND MADE PRETTY GENEROUSLY. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, THAT, UH, THERE ISN'T, THERE IS KIND OF A, UM, UM, A REAL INTENTIONAL, UH, EFFORT TO, UH, PROVIDE AN INTERPRETATION THAT IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT IS BEING REQUESTED OR THAT IS IN THE SPIRIT OF, OF, OF THE EXPECTATION. 
          IT THEN JUST BECOMES A QUESTION OF MATERIALITY AT THAT LEVEL. 
          IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT IS THIS PERSON'S BUILDING, IT IS THIS PERSON'S INTERPRETATION, AND IT IS COMING FROM A, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AN ARCHITECTURAL, UM, UH, IMPETUS. 
          SO, SO THESE ARE THE EXPRESSIONS OF THE FUTURE THAT, THAT COME OUT OF THE MINDS OF THE ARCHITECTS OF THE TIME. 
          AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A TALENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IN THAT I THINK IT'S KIND OF INCUMBENT ON US TO ENABLE LIKE THE, THE MEESE ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CLASSICAL BUILDING IN HOUSTON, THAT YOU COULDN'T GET MORE ALIEN THAN THAT. 
          THAT THIS IS A HUMBLE, UH, VERSION OF THAT PROCESS. 
          UH, ALTHOUGH IT, IT IS ARTFULLY, UH, ACHIEVED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MIND YOU, THERE ARE ONE OR TWO THINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, CLASSICAL WINDOWS ON THE SIDE OF THAT ELEVATION THAT'S THERE, AND PERHAPS THE THREE, THE, THE DIVIDED THE PICTURE WINDOW WITH THE TWO, UH, UH, SIDE WINDOWS GIVE IT, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T GO FAR ENOUGH AS, AS THE, THE BOTTOM DOES, STEPS ITSELF FAR ENOUGH BACK. 
          BUT IT MOST DEFINITELY DOES FOLLOW THE STANDARDS THAT, THAT WERE, UH, UH, GIVEN THAT, THAT WERE EXPRESSED TO US BY THIS, UM, UH, APPLICANT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NARRATIVE BEHIND THE WHOLE STORY THAT SHE'S TELLING. 
          YES. 
          UH, I MEAN, AN AMENDMENT I THINK WOULD BE TO, TO, UH, UH, UH, TO NOT, UH, OR, OR TO REMOVE THE DOOR TO REMOVE THE RE TO REMOVE THE, THE, THE REQUEST FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE DOOR IN THE EXISTING BUILDING. 
          THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, TO MY MOTION. 
          SO WE HAVE A, AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE, UH, NOT APPROVING THE REMOVAL OF THE, THE DOOR, THE DENIAL OF THE REMOVAL OF ITEM, UH, THREE? YES. 
          I, I SECOND THAT THE DOOR BE RETAINED THERE AND THAT IT BE ADDRESSED INTERIOR FROM AN INTERIOR STANDPOINT AS MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DO A ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SABINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER, AYE. 
          AND ANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          NOW WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL UNLESS WE HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
           PRESENTED. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT THE BACK DOOR BE BACKDOOR KNOTS, UM, REVIEWED BY STAFF, BE RETAINED ON THE EXTERIOR, BARRING ANY ADDITIONAL HISTORIC INFORMATION PRESENTED BY STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. 
          OTHERWISE, UH, I SECOND INSTEAD, 
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BARRING SOMEBODY BRINGING PROOF THAT THAT IS NOT AN ORIGINAL OPENING OR DOOR IN THE BACK, THAT I PROPOSE THAT, THAT THE EXTERIOR PART OF THAT DOOR REMAIN IN PLACE, MEANING I ONE SECOND THEN. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT AND A SECOND TO THE AMENDMENT. 
          LET'S, UH, DO WE WANNA HAVE DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT? JUST WANNA CLARIFY. 
          SO IF, IF THAT DOOR TURNS OUT TO BE AN ORIGINAL PART OF THE BUILDING, THEN IT CANNOT BE REMOVED. 
          YES. 
          BUT IF THE APPLICANT PRESENTS EVIDENCE THAT THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL AND THAT IT WAS ADDED LATER ON, THEN IT CAN BE OR IF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, RIGHT. 
          IF, IF EVIDENCE PRESENTS ITSELF VIA THE STAFF OR THE APPLICANT THAT IT IS NOT ORIGINAL FROM THE, IT'S ORIGINAL DECADE IN WHICH IT WAS BUILT RIGHT, THEN THEN CAP IT UP. 
          OKAY? YES. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING THIS AMENDMENT? WELL, MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS MIGHT JUST BE, BE, UH, I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU, MY DYSLEXIA, BUT WOULD IT BE, COULD IT BE SAID THAT, THAT, UH, EVIDENCE THAT THE DOOR IS ORIGINAL AS OPPOSED TO THAT THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THE DOOR IS NOT ORIGINAL? I, I THINK IT BECAUSE IT PUTS THE ONUS ON, ON, ON PROVING THAT THE DOOR IS ORIGINAL AS OPPOSED TO WHAT CAN BE SEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBJECTIVE. 
          AND THAT JUST MIGHT BE MY BRAIN NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE THAT THEY'RE THE SAME THING, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. 
          IS IT POSSIBLE COMMISSIONER SABINO, THAT, THAT THAT COULD BE WORDED? WELL, ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE, BUT I THINK THE STANDARD IN THE GUIDELINES IS THAT THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION UNLESS WE PROVE OTHERWISE, THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT THINGS ARE CON ASPECTS OR ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS ARE CONTRIBUTING UNLESS WE SEE OTHERWISE. 
          SO I THINK I'D LIKE TO STAY CONSISTENT. 
          SO I THINK JUST, JUST AS THIS DESIGN IS VERY INTENTIONAL, I THINK THAT MOTION WAS VERY INTENTIONAL. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE AMENDMENT? OKAY, LET'S HAVE A, A ROLL, ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDMENT PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          EN ANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY, NOW LET'S GO TO THE BASE MOTION. 
          WE CAN ONLY DO TWO AMENDMENTS. 
          TAKE . 
          YOU COULD HAVE ADDED THAT IN THERE WITH IT. 
          THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM, UM, IF, IF THAT IS CORRECT FROM COUNSEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CAN ONLY AMEND TWICE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO OUR BASE MOTION NOW. 
          MR. MR. CHAIR? YES SIR. 
          SORRY TO INTERRUPT, SIR. 
          UM, CAN WE RESTATE THE ORIGINAL MOTION PLEASE BEFORE WE VOTE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, THE MO THE MOTION WAS TO ACCEPT AS SUBMITTED AND THEN IT HAS BEEN AMENDED BY TWO BY TWO AMENDMENTS. 
          ONE TO RETAIN THE DOOR THAT'S ON THE FRONT PORCH AND THE OTHER ONE TO RETAIN THE SIDE DOOR, BARRING EVIDENCE THAT IT IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          SO THE AMENDMENT IS APPLIED TO THE ITEM OR TO THE CASE? THE, THE AMENDMENT COUNT ALLOWED. 
          IS THAT APPLIED TO THE CASE IN GENERAL OR TO THE ITEM REQUESTED? IT WAS TO THE, TO THE MOTION. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE AMENDING THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S PROCEED THEN WITH ROLL CALL FOR THE BASE AMENDED MOTION. 
          GIS AYE. 
          SAVINA AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          AND CERVANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ITEM NUMBER 20, ITEM 20 ON THE H D R C AGENDA. 
          UH, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 42 2 0 3 NORTH PRESA. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE TWO FIXED COPPER FRAME WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD ACCORDION CASEMENT WINDOWS, AND TWO SMALLER FIXED COPPER FRAME WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD FIXED CASEMENT WINDOWS. 
          QUICK, OH, HOLD ON ONE, YOU CAN COME UP NOW. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THEIR REQUEST TO REPLACE TWO FIXED COPPER FRAME WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD ACCORDION CASEMENT WINDOWS, AND TWO SMALLER FIXED COPPER FRAME WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLA WOOD. 
          FIXED CASEMENT WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING 
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C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE REGLAZING THE EXISTING WINDOWS RATHER THAN REPLACING THEM. 
          AND, UH, JUST A POINT, UM, THE OLD MOTION BEFORE WE FOUND OUT THEY HAD COPPER FRAMES, UH, WAS ACCIDENTALLY INCLUDED, UH, HERE, BUT WHERE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE FIRST ONE THAT APPEARS IN THE CASE PACKET RECOMMENDING DENIAL. 
          AND WE HAVE, UH, THE OWNER JESSICA MARINAS HERE. 
          HELLO. 
          INTRODUCE YOURSELF. 
          YEAH. 
          HI, I'M JESSICA. 
          UH, THIS IS MY PARTNER AMBER. 
          WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE, UH, LEASED A BUILDING DOWNTOWN ON 2 0 3 NORTH PRESA A FEW MONTHS AGO. 
          UH, UPON TOURING THE PROPERTY, WE NOTICED, UH, TWO THINGS ABOUT THE WINDOWS. 
          THEY WERE IN TERRIBLE CONDITION AND WE THOUGHT IT'D BE REALLY COOL TO CHANGE THEM UP TO DO SOMETHING, UH, NEW ORLEANS STYLE WHERE WE COULD HAVE SOME LIVE MUSIC ON THE INSIDE, OPEN THE WINDOWS, THERE'S NO PATIO, AND SO THE OPEN AIR WOULD FLOW THROUGH. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          ALEX IS WITH PRECISION WINDOWS AND HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ACTUAL MATERIAL OF THE WINDOWS. 
          GREAT. 
          FANTASTIC. 
          UH, MR. SAVANTE, IT'S YOUR CHANCE TO START US OFF ON THE QUESTIONING. 
          UH, I ACTUALLY HEAR, PRESENT, HEAR WHAT THE PRESENTATION IS ON THE WINDOWS BEFORE WE HAVE OKAY. 
          GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY, THEN I'M, I'LL ASK SOME QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M ALEX DIIMMEL, UH, WITH PRECISION WINDOWS. 
          UM, I WAS ASKED TO COME DOWN, TAKE A LOOK AT THE WINDOWS THAT ARE EXISTING, UM, AND COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS OR SOME ALTERNATIVES TO WHAT WAS THERE. 
          UM, BEING THAT THE WIND, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE PICTURE WINDOWS. 
          MY PROPOSAL WAS TO TRY TO KEEP A PICTURE WINDOW LOOK TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING SO THAT YOU COULD KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE LOOK OF THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ALL PICTURE WINDOWS GOING ACROSS THE FRONT. 
          THAT'S, UH, THE, THE WOOD, WOOD, UH, WINDOWS WITH THE ALUMINUM CLADDING IN BRONZE BECAUSE THE, THE FILIGREE BRONZE AROUND THE OPENINGS IS BRONZE. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S WEATHERED VERSUS WHAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING IN, BUT IT WOULD KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE LOOK OF THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE, THE BIGGEST PART OF IT. 
          UM, THEY ARE THE WINDOWS, THE TWO, THE TWO SETS FACING US. 
          OKAY. 
          ON EITHER END OF THAT WINDOW SET, GO TO THE, THAT WINDOW RIGHT THERE ON GO TO THE FAR LEFT, PLEASE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO, YOU WANT ME TO JUST FAR LEFT. 
          CAN YOU POINT YOUR POINTER? OH, GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WINDOW ON THE FAR LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT THERE THO THAT'S A CASEMENT. 
          IT'S A TWIN CASEMENT WITH A PICTURE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY ARE OPERABLE WHEN YOU WANT 'EM TO BE, BUT IF YOU WANNA LEAVE THEM CLOSED, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THREE PICTURE WINDOWS AND AGAIN, A FOURTH PICTURE WINDOW ON THAT CORNER GOING INTO THE ENTRANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, YOU KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE LOOK OF THAT FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR THE FRONT OF THE FACADE. 
          AND YOU ALSO KEEP COLORATION. 
          SO IT WOULD BE THREE PANES THAT OPEN UP WHAT? UH, ACTUALLY NO, ONLY TWO PANES. 
          SO THE TWO PANES ON THE END THAT ARE FACING US, THEY OPEN, UH, OPPOSING THE CENTER WINDOW STAYS STATIONARY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S CALLED A, UH, A THREE LIGHT CASEMENT, BUT THEY'RE ALL EQUAL IN SIZE. 
          SO THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE THREE EQUAL PICTURE WINDOWS WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED. 
          SO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, HOW DO THOSE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING COINCIDE WITH THE DESIGN AND THE TIME PERIOD? TIME PERIOD OF THE BUILDING ITSELF OR THE, OR THE FACADE ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE FRONT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING, BUT IF YOU GO INTO THE BUILDING AND YOU LOOK AT THE FRAMING, THE FRAMING IS COMPLETELY ROTTED OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE TO ALL BE REPLACED ON THE INSIDE. 
          WE'RE KEEPING ALL OF THAT METAL FRAMING AROUND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NONE OF THAT IS GOING AWAY. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BUILD WOOD BUCK FRAMING. 
          I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED WITH THE CONTRACTOR HOW TO BUILD WOOD BUCK FRAMING THAT GOES WITH THE, THE PERIOD AS WELL. 
          AND THEN PAINT TO MATCH THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME PERIOD. 
          AND THEN OUR WINDOW WINDOWS ARE GONNA GO INSIDE THAT FRAMING. 
          SO WE'RE NOT TAKING ANYTHING OUT OF THAT OPENING OTHER THAN WHAT'S ON THE INSIDE, 
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WHICH IS THE FRAMING ON THE INSIDE WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE GONNA SIT. 
          SO LEMME ASK YOU THIS. 
          LET 40 YEARS FROM NOW MM-HMM. 
           NEW OWNERS, RIGHT? SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA PUT IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE ONE GIANT WINDOW. 
          HAVE YOU MODIFIED THAT AT ALL TO WHERE IT CAN'T GO BACK TO HAVING ONE GLASS WINDOW INSTEAD OF THE OPENING? NO, YOU CANNOT GO BACK. 
          NO, NO. 
          YOU CAN GO BACK. 
          YES. 
          YOU COULD GO BACK, YEAH. 
          WITH ONE BIG PIC, BIG PICTURE WINDOW, CORRECT? YEAH, YOU COULD DO THAT. 
          THE REASON WE CAME, WE CAME UP WITH THIS SOLUTION WAS BECAUSE OF CONSTRAINTS WITH THIS, WITH WINDOW SIZES, NOW YOU HAVE MAXIMUMS AND MINIMUMS. OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE, I WENT TO THAT WINDOW BECAUSE THE WIDTH OF THAT WINDOW IS MORE THAN THE, AND THE HEIGHT. 
          WHEN YOU ADD THE HEIGHT AND THE WIDTH, YOU EXCEED YOUR MINIMUM AND MAXIMUMS. SO YOU CAN'T BUILD A PICTURE WINDOW, A MODERN PICTURE WINDOW THAT BIG MUCH. 
          HOW MUCH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT IS THIS NEW WINDOW GONNA BE? A THOUSAND PERCENT . 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          IT IS ARGON FILLED. 
          EVEN THOUGH THEY OPEN AND CLOSE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THE ONLY TIME, THE ONLY TIME YOU'RE GONNA GET ANY ENERGY EXCHANGE OR HEAT GAIN OR COLD GOING THROUGH THAT WINDOW IS IF YOU OPEN IT, CAN STAFF ASK A QUESTION? THANK YOU. 
          BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WAY WE UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN IT WAS REQUESTED AND HOW WE REVIEWED IT. 
          AND SO SIR, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THE EXISTING, OH, I'M SORRY, I TOOK OUTTA YOUR TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE EXISTING METAL STOREFRONT, THE HISTORIC STOREFRONT THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN WOULD REMAIN, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A CASE OPENING THAT'S WITHIN THAT OPENING AND THEN THE NEW KIND OF CASEMENT WINDOWS WOULD BE WITHIN THAT NEW FRAME. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          BUT THE EXISTING METAL WOULD REMAIN. 
          THAT WILL REMAIN. 
          SO LET ME ASK TO FOLLOW UP ON STAFF'S CLARIFICATION FOR THAT. 
          THERE IS A CORNER COLUMN THAT'S THERE AT THAT SORT OF CORRECT CONNECTION THERE. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WORK THAT WITH THE NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM GOING IN BEHIND THE METAL FRAME? THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE, YOU WILL HAVE A A, A STRUCTURE BEHIND THAT METAL, BEHIND THAT, THAT BRONZE METAL FRAME. 
          THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO CONNECT THE WINDOWS IF YOU DON'T. 
          SO THE NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DETAILS THAT ARE SHOWING US HOW THESE MM-HMM. 
           EXISTING NEWS COMING TOGETHER, THE NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM IS GOING TO BUTT INTO THE STRUCTURAL ELEMENT. 
          YES. 
          THE CORNER. 
          YES IT WILL. 
          AND IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT BEHIND THE METAL. 
          YES. 
          IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE IT WAS PART OF AND BUILT AS PART OF THAT CORNER AND THE, THE SILL AND JAM ARE GOING TO BE RAISED UP ENOUGH. 
          SO THERE ISN'T A CONFLICT OF THE OPERABLE CORRECT. 
          LEAK. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS DRAMATICALLY TRANSFORMS WHAT THE, WHAT THE ASK IS, I THINK BECAUSE THAT, THAT COPPER, THAT SUPER THIN COPPER, UM, OR ACTUALLY IT WAS BRAUN'S, UH, STOREFRONT SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF GOING THE WAY OF THE BUFFALO. 
          IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT. 
          AND THAT, AND I ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND I TOLD HIM, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, GET RID OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OR EVEN TRY TO GET RID OF THAT BECAUSE I WAS BORN, RAISED HERE. 
          I RAN SAN ANTONIO LIKE MY BACKYARD. 
          SO YEAH, I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. 
          NOW IN MY EXPERIENCE, THOSE, THOSE ARE USUALLY A TWO PART THING. 
          THERE'S A METAL, THERE'S THE BRONZE IN THE FRONT, BUT THEN THERE WAS USUALLY A BRONZE IN THE BACK. 
          THERE IS NOT, IS THAT GONNA BE TAKEN OUT OR NO, THERE'S NOT ANY BRONZE IN THE BACK OF IT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE A WOOD STOP BEHIND IT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT IS ALL WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT'S ALL ROTTED OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EVEN TRYING TO KEEP THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA LAST. 
          GREAT. 
          OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, MR. GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I'M, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING THE WINDOW AND HOW IT'S GOING TO OPEN. 
          SO ARE WE, CAN YOU KIND OF DEMONSTRATE FOR ME, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE REVIEWED. 
          SO IS IT OPENING KIND OF LIKE, OF A, LIKE A DOOR OR IS IT KIND OF DOING, LIKE, DO YOU THINK LIKE THE MIDDLE IS KIND OF LIKE A SWIVEL WHERE IT KIND OF NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YEAH, I, I'M, FOLLOW ME JUST A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY'RE CASEMENT WINDOWS. 
          LOOK INTO THE MICROPHONE. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          SO THEY'RE CASEMENT WINDOWS. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE OPPOSING CASEMENT WINDOWS. 
          SO THERE'S A PICTURE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN THE CASE MINS CRANK OUT OPPOSITE EACH OTHER OFF OF EITHER END. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S ON BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ELEVATION THERE. 
          THOSE THREE PICTURE WINDOWS, AS YOU'RE SEEING THEM NOW, ARE ACTUALLY, TWO OF THE TWO ON THE END ARE OPERABLE WINDOWS THAT CAN SWING OUT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO, IF YOU WANNA 
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LEAVE 'EM CLOSED, WHAT YOU'LL BE SEEING IS THREE PICTURE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, SO THEY'RE, UM, SWINGING OUT, SO, UH, THEY ONLY GO ONE WAY. 
          SO IT'S, IT IS NOT, YOU CAN'T, YEAH, NO, THEY DON'T. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          THEY'LL SWING EITHER OPEN OR CLOSED AND YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY OPEN ALL THE WAY TO 90 DEGREE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          YOU BET. 
          AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THEN THE, THE, THE PAINS THAT ARE GOING PERPENDICULAR TO THE DOOR, THOSE ARE GONNA BE FIXED, RIGHT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH, AGAIN, I WANTED TO KEEP THAT INTEGRITY OF THE PICTURE WINDOW LOOK GOING ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF THAT SINCE I COULDN'T DO A FULL PICTURE WINDOW ON THE FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          UM, ARE YOU PLANNING ON REFERRING OUT THE WALLS A LITTLE BIT ON THE INSIDE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW FRAME FOR THE ABSOLUTELY SYSTEM? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, YOUR INDIVIDUAL CASEMENT LEAVES, HOW WIDE ARE THEY? UM, I'D HAVE TO HAVE THE EXACT, UH, I THINK THEY'RE 96. 
          THEY WERE 96 INCHES WIDE. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE A THIRD, A THIRD AND A THIRD. 
          ABOUT 30. 
          I'LL ABOUT 30, 30 INCHES? YEAH, ABOUT 30, 32 INCHES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I SEE THAT YOUR SIDEWALK IS VERY GENEROUS IN ONE PORTION, BUT IN OVER A WAYS. 
          YOUR SIDEWALK IS A LITTLE NARROWER. 
          SO WHEN YOU OPEN THAT CASEMENT, YOU'RE OPENING THE WINDOW OVER INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY, CORRECT. 
          INTO THE SIDEWALK? UM, NOT, NOT QUITE, BUT YES, WE DID LOOK AT THAT. 
          WE DID LOOK AT THAT. 
          BY HOW MUCH? UH, I THINK BY ABOUT NINE INCHES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, ABOUT NINE INCHES. 
          AND THAT'S IF YOU OPEN THE WINDOW TO A FULL 90 DEGREES OPEN UHHUH , YOU DON'T HAVE TO OPEN IT THAT WIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MR. VELAZQUEZ, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'LL SAY COMMENTS FOR AFTER YOUR MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. BAZOOKA. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          AM AM I RIGHT IN THINKING THAT, UM, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT IS THE OPENING TO WHAT? I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A WHILE. 
          WHAT USED TO BE CHARLES COURT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WHEN YOU'RE REBUILDING THE, UH, THOSE WINDOWS, THE BRONZE TREATMENT ON THE OUTSIDE YES. 
          ARE YOU GONNA REDO THE WOODEN UNDERSTRUCTURE OF THE BRONZE PIECES RIGHT IN THERE? CUT IT OUT? I AM GOING TO TRY NOT TO. 
          AND FROM WHAT I COULD SEE FROM THE INSIDE, IT WON'T NEED TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, BUT I DON'T WANT TO, UH, EVEN TRY TO TAKE THAT BRONZE OFF OF THOSE, THE STOOPS, IF YOU WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          MR. CERVANTES, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? YEAH. 
          AND THIS IS JUST, I, I THINK I'M, I'M NITPICKING, BUT HOW FEASIBLE IS IT, INSTEAD OF HAVING HIM SWINGING OPEN, AND MAYBE IT MAY BE OUTTA CHARACTER SWINGING OPEN, YOU HAVE 'EM DOING THIS SORT OF THING, KIND OF COMING OUT FIVE TO SIX INCHES AND THEN MOVING TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT, LIKE A SLIDER. 
          LIKE IT DOES, NO, NOT A SLIDER, BUT A POP OUT AND THEN OH, YEAH. 
          NO, I SEE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THAT MUCH SWINGING, BUT MAYBE YEAH. 
          YOU THE YEAH. 
          THEY DON'T MAKE A WINDOW LIKE THAT . 
          YEAH. 
          I'M JUST THINKING OF SOMEONE WALKING INTO ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS. 
          YES. 
          AND THEY'RE HOLDING THEIR DRINK, WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK THERE AND YEAH. 
          MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WAS NEVER OPEN 'EM ALL THE WAY TO A 90 DEGREE. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I CHIME IN? UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE CAN ADD PATIO FURNITURE AS LONG AS WE'RE TAKING IT IN AND OUT. 
          SO IF THERE IS PATIO FURNITURE OUT THERE, THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE AROUND THE WINDOWS TO WHERE NO ONE CAN EVEN WALK ALONGSIDE THAT. 
          SO THE PATIO PEOPLE WOULD BE SITTING THERE, SO IT'D BE BLOCKED. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. 
          OH, IT'S OKAY. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO HAVE ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION ALSO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, ARE YOU PLANNING ON IMPACTING THE TRANSOM SPACE ABOVE THE CANOPY? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          I . 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          I, YEAH, NO, NOT AT ALL. 
          SO, MR. EDWARDS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          GIVEN THIS NEW DATA AND MAYBE PUTTING YOU IN AN AWKWARD POSITION, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT IN ADVANCE. 
          HOW WOULD YOU REFORM OR REVISE THE, THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF? AND, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THE FIRST IS REMOVAL OF HISTORIC MATERIAL. 
          AND SO I THINK WHAT'S PROPOSED OR CLARIFIED TODAY ALLEVIATES THAT CONCERN. 
          UM, THE OTHER QUESTION IS MODIFICATION OF THE, THE FENESTRATION CONFIGURATION. 
          UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE 
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ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, UM, BUT IT IS OF HISTORIC AGE AND THE GUIDELINES DO RECOMMEND THAT COMMERCIAL FACADES THAT HA, THAT MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL, BUT ARE STILL OF HISTORIC AGE BE PRESERVED. 
          UM, SO THERE IS A QUESTION STILL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THESE PICTURE WINDOWS TO BE DIVIDED UP. 
          I THINK THAT THERE IS PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE PATH FORWARD. 
          IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT SEEING THOSE DETAILS. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING YES OR NO WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE CONCERN ABOUT LOSING HISTORIC AGE MATERIALS HAS BEEN ALLEVIATED. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS, MR. CHAIR, THAT I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT. 
          CAN YOU REVERT IT BACK? RIGHT. 
          CAN, CAN, DOES HIS PLAN INCLUDE BEING ABLE TO TURN THE CLOCK BACK AND RESTORE, RESTORE IT, EVEN THOUGH THIS MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW SOMEONE MAY WANT TO PUT YEAH. 
          AND IF I MAY, SO, SO THAT THAT THREE LIGHT CASEMENT FRAME IS ONE CONTIGUOUS FRAME SO IT CAN BE COMPLETELY REMOVED AND A WHOLE NEW PICTURE WINDOW IN FUTURE INSTALLED THERE AND STILL RETAINING THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CUP. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE ALL OF THAT ISN'T GONNA BE REMOVED. 
          THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL BRONZE. 
          SO AS MR. EDWARDS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE RE RETAINING HISTORIC FABRIC MM-HMM. 
           DOING THAT. 
          THERE'S REVERSIBILITY ASPECT TO IT, BUT THEN THERE'S THE SORT OF ALTERING, POTENTIAL ALTERING OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE WINDOWS. 
          IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEY WERE SUBDIVIDED AS IN THE PAST? YEAH, IN THE PAST THAT THERE WAS A, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD'VE HAD A, A JUNCTURE OF ANOTHER, ANOTHER ELEMENT, KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE AT THE CENTER AT, AT THE CORNER TOO, IN THAT OPENING. 
          NO, BUT DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER THE H AND S CREST STORE? MM-HMM. 
          , YOU REMEMBER THE WINDOW FRONTS? MM-HMM. 
          , THEY WERE ALL DIVIDED. 
          MM-HMM. 
           ACROSS THE FRONT. 
          THEY, THEY WERE, I PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY FOUR FOOT PANELS GOING ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FACADE. 
          AND, AND JUST BASED UPON PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, I'VE SEEN VERY SIMILAR WINDOWS LIKE THIS. 
          AND THEY WOULD'VE HAD SOMETHING ABOUT THE WIDTH OF WHAT THE ONES ARE THAT ARE GOING 90 DEGREES TO, TO THE DOOR, UH, SUBDIVIDE. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY VESTIGE OF AN EARLIER SUB. 
          WELL, ON THE INSIDE, I COULDN'T TELL BECAUSE THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW SILLS ARE ALL ROTTED. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S THE, THAT THAT'S WHY THEY NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT ON THE INSIDE. 
          THE OUTSIDE'S FINE, BUT THE INSIDE IS, YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT NEEDS HELP. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ANY BE GETTING A MOTION FROM SOMEONE SO WE CAN MOVE ON. 
          MR. ANYONE WANNA BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO, WELL, UH, MR. CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT READY FOR A MOTION, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT THIS, THE MORE CONCERNS I HAVE. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE WINDOWS AND HOW THEY'RE OPENING MM-HMM. 
          , UM, AND I, UM, HEARD YOU MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D BE PUTTING PATIO FURNITURE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF PREVENT, YOU KNOW, ANYONE, YOU KNOW, WALKING INTO THE WINDOWS, THINGS OF NATURE. 
          HOW FAR WOULD THESE WINDOWS BE OPENING AND THEN HAVING PATIO FURNITURE OUT THERE WHERE YOU HAVE PATRONS SITTING THERE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE REMOVED IN THE EVENING. 
          HOW IS THAT, I, I UNDERSTAND IT KEEPS SOMEONE FROM WALKING INTO IT, BUT HOW DOES THAT, UM, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT JIVE? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AS FAR AS, WELL, I GUESS TO ANSWER MY QUESTION, HOW FAR WOULD THE WINDOWS OPEN IN, IN YOUR PROPOSAL? OKAY, SO THE, THE PAIN, OKAY. 
          THE, THE OPENINGS ARE 30, APPROXIMATELY 31 INCHES. 
          UM, SO APPROXIMATELY 30 INCHES IF YOU'RE OPENING THEM COMPLETELY OPENED. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL, ALL THE WAY TO A 90. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IN, IN, WITH THE INFORMATION SHE GAVE ME, SHE'S GONNA HAVE, UH, TABLES THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE WINDOW WOULD BE OPENED, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A TABLE THERE, SO THE WINDOW'S NOT ACTUALLY IN SOMEBODY'S, UH, AREA MOVING AROUND IT. 
          AND THEN IN THE EVENING, WHEN THEY TAKE THE TABLES BACK INSIDE, YOU CRANK THE WINDOWS. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR CASEMENT WINDOWS, SO YOU CRANK 'EM BACK, CLOSED ALL THE WAY AND LOCK 'EM. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I, I STILL HAVE SOME ON READINESS ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          SO, SO I WILL SAY, TYPICALLY THOSE, I MEAN, ASSUMING THAT THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY IMPEDE PEDESTRIAN PATH ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, THERE'S , THERE'S, UM, AGREEMENTS THAT ARE USUALLY IN PLACE FOR THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO YOU WOULD ACTUALLY LEASE A SPACE FROM THE CITY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF FILL THAT SPACE AND, AND TURN THE CITY WOULD LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK SPACE AND MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AROUND. 
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SO THERE'S, THERE'S LIKE A LEGAL PATH FOR THAT. 
          AND SO WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS LIKE THE FURNITURE PLACEMENT AND WORKING WITH THE WRIGHT CITY DEPARTMENTS TO HANDLE THAT ISSUE. 
          MI MI, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IT, IT SEEMS, UM, , YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE, BUT IT'S PROBLEMATIC IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN WAS FILLED WITH THOSE PICTURE WINDOWS, BIG WINDOWS, AND WHEN THEY'RE GONE, THEY'RE GONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THE IDEA THAT THE WINDOW'S GONNA COME BACK, OH, IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE TIME IS NOW. 
          RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE, WELL, THERE'S NO REASON WHY IT CAN'T BE DONE NOW. 
          IT'S NOT A CHEAP WINDOW THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BEGIN WITH. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE WINDOW OPENING, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE SEEN IN LIKE, LIKE CHICAGO FOR INSTANCE, A LOT OF THE WINDOWS IN THESE RESTAURANTS THAT OPEN UP, THEY'RE EITHER LIKE HISTORIC OVERHEAD DOORS AND THEY ROLL UP, THEY'RE MADE OUT OF MAHOGANY OR WHATEVER, OR THEY PIVOT AND THEY PIVOT INWARD. 
          SO THEY HAVE KIND OF LIKE A, LIKE AN OFFSET THING SO THAT WHEN IT OPENS THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS INSIDE TO HAVE A 30 INCH WINDOW, OR FOUR, OR, OR I, I GUESS IT'D BE A COUPLE OF THEM, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          ONE ON ONE ON EITHER ONE, ON EITHER END OF THE BIG, BIG PICTURE WINDOW OPENING YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE, THE ACCOMMODATION, RIGHT? THAT THE IDEA THAT THE REASON WHY IT WILL WORK IS 'CAUSE THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY SITTING THERE THAT'S NOT REALLY THE, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE, IT, IT, IT SHOULD WORK WHETHER THERE'S A PERSON SITTING THERE OR NOT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE SITTING THERE, PERHAPS THE WINDOW'S OPEN AND THERE'S NOBODY SITTING THERE. 
          RIGHT? SO IT, IT CREATES A PROBLEM THAT IF THE WINDOW IS, IS APPLICABLE TO A, AN ALTERATION, THAT THAT ALTERATION SHOULD BE AN OVERHEAD DOOR, A OVERHEAD WINDOW, THE SAME KIND OF WINDOW LOOKING THE SAME WAY THAT THAT'S, THAT'S MECHANISM IS IN THE BUILDING. 
          SO IT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, RIGHT? JUST WHAT COVERS THE WINDOW IS IN OUR PURVIEW, THAT THAT'S THE BETTER SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T MITIGATE THAT. 
          ONCE THE PICTURE WINDOW GOES AWAY, IT GOES AWAY FOREVER. 
          'CAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT, ALTER ALL THE ALTERATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THAT BUILDING NEXT TO IT. 
          AND THAT BUILDING DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ARCHES AND THE, AND THE METAL AND THE IN, IN THE, IN THE DOORS. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE ONE STEP FROM THAT, YOU KNOW? SO THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ATTRIBUTES TO THIS BUILDING THAT ARE GONNA GO AWAY BECAUSE THE, THE PICTURE WINDOW IS A RARE THING THESE DAYS, YOU KNOW? AND AS FAR AS HOW, HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S SUPPORTED WITH ITS, UM, FRAMING IS ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER, I, I THINK YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU REALLY ARTICULATE A LOT OF MY CONCERNS, PROFESSOR, UH, SORRY, UH, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO, UM, LET'S GIVE THIS A SHOT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, IF YOU'RE AMENABLE, TO TAKE THIS TO A D R C WHERE WE CAN BEGIN TO GATHER ALL OF THE INFORMATION, HISTORIC INFORMATION ON THIS BUILDING, UM, PRECEDENTS FROM SIMILAR AGED BUILDINGS AND CONTEXTS, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SOME OTHER WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS THAT CAN GIVE YOU THE FULL OPENING, THE FULL HEIGHT OPENING, BUT ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE HAD. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THIS TO BE SENT TO A D R C. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I CAN SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I THINK, I THINK COMMISSIONER SINO BRINGS UP SOME GOOD POINTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND I, AND, AND I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS I WAS LISTENING TO COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ, YOU KNOW, OKAY, SO MAYBE IT DOESN'T OPEN UP THE FULL 30 DEGREES. 
          MAYBE YOU PUT THAT PIVOT HALFWAY THROUGH AND IT DOES ONE OF THESE NUMBERS, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF OPENING UP LIKE THIS, IT DOES ONE OF THESE, RIGHT? SO, OR SLIDING OR SOMETHING. 
          OR IT COMES UP LIKE, COMMISSIONER ROQUE, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO, TO MOVE YOU ON THIS. 
          IS COMM A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT, COUPLE WAYS TO MOVE YOU FORWARD. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT OPENING IT UP ALL THE WAY LIKE THAT, MAYBE IT'S, IT'S THE BEST ONE. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER WAYS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MASUKA, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT? I A PROPOSED, UH, MOTION. 
          GOOD TO HAVE TO MOVE IT TO A, TO A SITE VISIT? YES. 
          WITH MORE INVESTIGATION. 
          AND I THINK THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES 
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TO THAT WINDOW PIVOTING OUT AT 90 DEGREES. 
          SO IT WOULD IMPEDE TRAFFIC BY 30 INCHES. 
          IT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A PIVOTING WINDOW WHERE THE PIVOT IS IN THE MIDDLE. 
          THAT JUST MEANS IT, IT EXTENDS 15 INCHES INTO THE SIDEWALK. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE WAS MY ONLY THOUGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A SITE VISIT, IT WAS, IT WAS A SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE. 
          D R C, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION, OTHERWISE WE'LL GO FOR ROLL CALL. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SINA AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MAZUA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          AND CERVANTES? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO GET TOGETHER WITH Y'ALL AND DO A LITTLE BRAINSTORMING ON THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S AN UNUSUAL SITUATION, BUT NO, I, YOU'VE, DO YOU MIND IF I ASK IF WE MADE, IF WE MADE THE CASEMENTS NARROWER AND MADE THE PICTURE WINDOW WIDER, IS THAT, IS IT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER? LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE D R C. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU WANNA COME WITH ALTERNATE PROPOSALS, THAT WILL HELP. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          TO BRING THAT DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE BRING, OKAY, PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          DIFFERENT ONES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANK NO, THANK Y'ALL FOR STAYING SO LATE. 
          YOU BET. 
          ITEM NUMBER 21. 
          ITEM 21 ON THE AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 56 9 0 2 EAST GRAYSON, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY AND INSTALL A CARPORT PORT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY EXTENSION BASED ON FINDING C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS D AND E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A DETACHED CARPORT AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A CARPORT CONSTRUCTED OF WOODS SO THAT IT RELATES TO THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. 
          AND I HAVE THE OWNER AND APPLICANT, ERIN O'SHAUGHNESSY ON WEBEX. 
          YES. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          LET ME, ERIN, DID YOU GET A REQUEST ON MUTE? ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA READ A QUICK STATEMENT THAT I WROTE OUT. 
          UH, IT WILL SAVE TIME . 
          UM, SO I'M HERE TODAY TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR A LIEN TWO CARPORT THAT I BUILT ON MY PROPERTY AT 9 0 2 EAST GRAYSON STREET THIS PAST FEBRUARY. 
          I PURCHASED MY HOME, UH, IN APRIL OF 2019. 
          AND ALTHOUGH I KNEW THE AREA WAS GOVERNMENT HILL AND PARTS OF IT WERE HISTORIC, I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY, IN ANY INFORMATION AT CLOSING, INFORMING ME OF MY HOUSE, MY HOME'S, HISTORIC STATUS, NOR ADVISING ME OF THE RESTRICTIONS ON MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOME OR THE PROCESS FOR OBTAINING APPROVAL BEFORE MAKING ANY CHANGES. 
          OVER THE YEARS OF LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I CAME TO BELIEVE THAT MY HOUSE WAS OUTSIDE THE OFFICIAL HISTORIC AREA. 
          AND THIS WAS BASED ON DISCUSSIONS I HAD WITH NEIGHBORS AND THE STREET SIGNAGE THAT INDICATED THE DISTRICT'S WEST BORDER WAS STREET. 
          UM, I HAD SUBMITTED SOME PICTURES TO, UM, JESSICA SHOWING THAT ON THE CORNER OF GRAYSON AND WILLOW STREET, THE SIGNS, THE STREET SIGNS ARE BROWN, AND THEY INDICATE THAT IT'S A HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          AND ON MY CORNER, ON THE, UH, GRAYSON AND NORTH PINE, THOSE SIGNS ARE BLUE. 
          UM, SO IT DOES NOT INDICATE ON MY CORNER THAT IT'S HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, ONCE I RECEIVED THE NOTICE OF INVESTIGATION FROM THE O H P, I VISITED THE SA PRESERVATION WEBSITE, AND I NOTICED ALSO THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE WEST, THE WEST BOUNDARIES OF GOVERNMENT HILL, UM, NOTED IT WAS WILLOW STREET. 
          AND NOT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY CLICK ON THE MAP OF THE DISTRICT DID I REALIZE, UM, THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT EXTENDED TO, UM, PINE STREET ON GRAYSON STREET ONLY. 
          SO THEREFORE, MY HOUSE IS THE VERY LAST HOUSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, UM, AFTER MY CAR RECEIVED SOME EXTENSIVE HAIL DAMAGE IN THE SPRING OF 2020, I BEGAN CONSIDERING INSTALLING A CARPORT. 
          AND I NOTICED THAT MANY HOMES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAD LEANED TWO CARPO CARPORTS AND THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST OPTION FOR MY HOME. 
          AS THE DRIVEWAY IS ONLY 10 FEET WIDE AND IT BUMPS 
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UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          UM, MY ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO BUILD A CARPORT OF WOOD AND HAVE IT MATCHED THE EXTERIOR OF MY HOME. 
          BUT THE COST OF THE WOOD HAD TRIPLED DURING THE COVID, AND THE AVAILABILITY OF CONTRACTORS WAS LIMITED. 
          I ACTUALLY WENT OUT FOR BIDS, UM, TWO SEPARATE TIMES, ABOUT SIX MONTHS APART, AND ONLY HAD CONTRACTOR ACTUALLY GIVE ME A BID. 
          UM, NO ONE ELSE EVEN RESPONDED TO DOING THE WORK. 
          SO THEN I DECIDED TO GO WITH A MORE AFFORDABLE AND AVAILABLE OPTION, WHICH WAS AN ALUMINUM STRUCTURE. 
          I BELIEVE MY CARPORT, ALTHOUGH MADE OF ALUMINUM, MATCHES THE AESTHETICS OF MY HOME AND DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          LASTLY, IT WAS NEVER MY INTENTION TO BUILD A STRUCTURE OUTSIDE THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED BY THE O H P, BUT INSTEAD WAS MERELY UNAWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          AND THEREFORE, I REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE MY CARPORT AS BUILT. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR STATEMENT. 
          DO DO WE HAVE A, ANY NO VOICEMAIL PUBLIC. 
          SO WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER GIBBS NOW FOR, UH, LEADING OFF ON QUESTIONS, IF ANY, REGARDING THE, THE, UH, CASE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO READING YOUR CASE, SO THIS, THIS COMES TO US AS A COMPLIANCE CASE SINCE, UM, AND YOU PRETTY MUCH ADMITTED THROUGH YOUR, UM, STATEMENT THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, YOU NEEDED TO GET A APPROVAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR CARPORT. 
          SO, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR THE, FOR YOUR CARPORT, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT OR ARE YOU, YOU JUST WANNA LEAVE IT AS IT IS, AS YOU JUST STATED? I, I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT AS IS IF POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT NOT BE ATTACHED, IT BE SET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND IT'D BE MADE OF WOOD. 
          SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE ME TO, TO TEAR THIS STRUCTURE DOWN, UM, FIND SOMEONE WILLING TO BUILD, BUILD THE CARPORT. 
          AND I REALIZE I'D HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER PROPO PROPOSAL TO DO THAT. 
          BUT I'M HOPING THAT, UM, SINCE THERE DOES SEEM TO BE SOME CONFUSION WITH THE BOARD, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE GOVERNMENT HILL NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, I'M HOPING THAT I'LL GET SOME LENIENCY AND YOU'LL LET ME KEEP IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MS. SAVINO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MR. MOOKA? NO, UH, I'M INCLINED TO, TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THAT RUNS INTO SETTING A PRECEDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY ONLY THOUGHTS RIGHT NOW, AND MY APOLOGIES, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GO IN ORDER, UM, MR. VELASQUEZ, PLEASE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I, I, YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT. 
          IT'S WELL DONE. 
          UM, IT'S COMPLIMENTARY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN APPRECIATE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, SO TAKING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FAITH, FAITH VALUE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S WELL DONE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAVE. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          MR. CERVANTES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? NO. 
          NO. 
          IT, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S IN INVASIVE OR IT DOESN'T BELONG. 
          I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO GO UP, I THINK, AND TAP ON THOSE AND SEE THAT THEY'RE ALUMINUM, UM, BECAUSE IF WOOD WAS USED, IT WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME THING. 
          LOOK THE SAME DIAMETER, SAME, SAME TECHNIQUES, I THINK. 
          BUT YEAH, I'M INCLINED TO, I DON'T SEE IT AS INVASIVE, SO I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT BE ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN THE CARPORT, UH, AS IS. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT, MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN. 
          OH, SO MR. CHAIR, I, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS COMPLETELY UNDOABLE. 
          I THINK THAT THIS IS ALSO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DONE. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA LAST FOREVER. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS ALREADY SEEN THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE WHEN SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN, NEEDS TO, IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCEDURES. 
          BUT I DON'T SEE THIS AS A LOAD BEARING TYPE STRUCTURE OR SOMETHING THAT'S CRITICAL TO THE, TO THE, TO, TO THE, TO THE HOUSE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T BE UNDONE IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND, AND, AND 
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I THINK IT SERVES A PURPOSE NOW. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S JUST A WASTE OF RESOURCES, MONEY AND TIME TO, TO HAVE THE APPLICANT JUST TEAR IT DOWN AND, AND, AND BUILD A WOOD ONE. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE ALREADY. 
          UM, NOW SETTING PRECEDENT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WILL, NO ONE WILL POINT ANYTHING OUT TO YOU UNTIL YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG. 
          BUT ASK FOR HELP AHEAD OF TIME. 
          YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, . 
          THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THINGS NOW. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. VESQUEZ. 
          YOU OFFERED THE SECOND. 
          WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS LOOKS RIGHT TO ME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE HOUSES THAT WERE LIKE DEPRESSION ERA, UH, WORLD WAR II ERA, UH, HOUSES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT GENERATION, YOU KNOW, THEY DID A LOT OF ALUMINUM WHEN THE ALUMINUM TREND CAME IN, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT KIND OF LOOKS, IT KIND OF LOOKS IN PLACE IN THE, IN THE SENSE THAT, THAT IT, IT FOLLOWS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE. 
          WELL, BEFORE THEY WERE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, RIGHT? WHEN THE 1960S AND 1970S CAME AROUND, IT KIND OF FITS. 
          BUT THE, THE STARK WHITE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THAT GRAY AND THEN, AND THEN THE, THE VERY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIMPLE SLOPE AND THE, THE THREE POSTS THAT, THAT REALLY PRETTY CONCRETE WORK THAT'S DONE. 
          IT, IT JUST FITS. 
          AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT JUST, IF IT, IF IT WORKS, IT WORKS. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M SECONDING IT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 
          MS. VINNO, YOU HAVE ANY? YEAH, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. 
          UM, I AM LOOKING, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THESE BEFORE AND, UM, WE'VE ALL BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT IN REQUESTING REMOVAL OR MODIFICATIONS. 
          SO THE FACT THAT THIS ONE IS, YOU KNOW, VERY CLEAN AND PROBABLY SOME GOOD COIN WENT TO IT, I DON'T GIVE THIS A BENEFIT, THAT ASPECT A BENEFIT BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO AFFORD A NICER ONE. 
          UM, I JUST STILL THINK IT'S INTRUSIVE TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THE RAKE BOARD, THE ORIGINAL RAKE ON THE ROOF HAS BEEN ALTERED CUT INTO TO ACCOMMODATE THIS. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE SOME HISTORIC DAMAGE WAS DONE ALSO TO HAVE THAT DONE. 
          AND, UM, LOOKING AT THE GOVERNMENT OR AT THE O H P EXPLORER MAP, I SEE THAT ABOUT A THIRD, AT LEAST A THIRD OF THE HOMES IN THIS SMALLER BLOCK AREA OF, UM, OF GOVERNMENT HILL HAVE ALREADY GONE TO O H P, HAVE HAD FILES BEFORE THE, THE DEPARTMENT OR THE OFFICE. 
          SO I THINK THERE ARE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS AND, UM, UH, ALBEIT A EXPENSIVE LEARNING LESSON, IT IT IS, IT OVERWHELMS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS, IT'S NEW BRIGHT SHINY THING OFF TO THE SIDE. 
          AND FOR THAT REASON, FOR DESIGN REASONS, FOR GUIDELINE REASONS, AND FOR PRECEDENT REASONS, I FEEL LIKE, UM, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO ALL OF THOSE OTHER FOLKS THAT WE HAVE DENIED AND REQUESTED THAT THEY REMOVE THEIR AND DENIED THEIR CARPORTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I WOULD JUST ADD MY COMMENTS THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S AS MINIMALISTIC AS POSSIBLE. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HAS, IT HAS THAT GOING FORWARD. 
          I WISH IT WERE JUST PUSHED BACK, UH, ON THE SITE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE JUST RIGHT UP ON YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBOR THERE. 
          SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WAYS TO OPERATE WITH THIS. 
          SO, UM, HAD IT GONE BACK A LITTLE BIT AND NOT BEEN SO, UH, PRESENT AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCEPTABLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS ARGUABLY REVERSIBLE WITH THE, WITH THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE DONE TO ATTACH IT SALVAGE BACK. 
          WELL, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          LET'S ASK THE, UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT. 
          IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS COULD BE DISASSEMBLED AND MOVED BACK A FEW FEET TO GET IT OFF OF THE, THE, THE FRONT PORCH OF THE HOUSE? UM, THE, BASICALLY HOW WE HAD DESIGNED IT WAS, IT'S ATTACHED TO THE, THE FRONT EXTENSION OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO IT ONLY GOES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT THAT THAT BEDROOM THAT IT COVERS, THAT'S WHERE THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE ENDS, AND THEN THERE THE HOUSE KIND OF GOES IN AND THEN IT'S LONGER ON THE BACK. 
          SO, UM, IT, I BELIEVE IT, IT PROBABLY COULD BE MOVED BACK. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER. 
          UM, BUT HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD YOU WANT IT MOVED BACK TO, TO THE, UH, FRONT PLANE OF THE, OF THE PORCH THERE, I THINK WOULD BE KIND OF, OKAY. 
          SO, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST THROWING THINGS OUT THERE. 
          SEEING, SEEING WHAT? I'M NOT, I'M POSSIBLE, I'M NOT SURE. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE CONTRACTOR IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT 
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WE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND, UH, OH, I, I'LL, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M FAMILIAR WITH ONE OF THESE. 
          I HAVE A PATIO MADE JUST LIKE THIS, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY COME AND THEY MEASURE IT, AND THEN IT'S FABRICATED TO THIS MEASUREMENT. 
          SO IF THEY HAD TO COME OUT AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEY, THEY WOULD JUST START OVER. 
          THEY WOULDN'T CUT THIS, THEY WOULD JUST REDO IT AND START OVER. 
          THAT'S THAT. 
          I HAD THE SAME EXACT PRODUCT IN MY BACKYARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY DID SAY THAT THE PANELS THAT MAKE UP THE ROOF OF THE CARPORT ONCE THEY'RE A COM, YOU KNOW, ATTACHED TO ONE ANOTHER, THEY CAN'T BE SEPARATED THAT. 
          UM, SO I'M, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IF THEY COULD MAINTAIN IT AND MOVE IT BACK OR NOT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S REAL HEAVY, BUT I'M NOT SURE. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS THIS STANDS RIGHT NOW, I, UM, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. 
          I'M, I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I FEEL AS THOUGH KNOW, I, I, EVEN THOUGH I, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT NOT KNOWING AND THINGS OF NATURE, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S UP TO THE HOMEOWNER TO, YOU KNOW, DO AS MUCH DUE DILIGENCE AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE DONE AND THEY'RE DONE IN, IN THE PROPER WAY. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT ONE, IT SHOULD BE MOVED BACK. 
          AND TWO, I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT, THAT IT SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED, THE WAY THAT THE GUIDELINES SAY THAT THEY SHOULD BE CON SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED. 
          IT LOOKS NICE, I AGREE, BUT IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH OUR, WITH THE STANDARDS. 
          AND SO I FEEL AS THOUGH IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES THAT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, UM, THE PROPER WAY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LET'S DO THIS. 
          IF THERE'S NOT A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          YES. 
          I'M SORRY, I JUST, JUST, COMMISSIONER BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT. 
          SO STAFF, A, YOUR RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT BE CONSTRUCTED OUT OF WOOD. 
          DOES YOUR RECOMMENDATION IMPACT THE OFFSET OF WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING? OR WHAT COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, UH, SAV WAS SAYING ABOUT IT BEING PUSHED BACK? ARE YOU, IS THAT, IS THAT RELEVANT HERE? MORE THAN ONE STIPULATION? AND SO IS THAT IT BE DETACHED AND THEN ALSO CONSTRUCTED MATERIALS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE AND THEN ALSO SETBACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA HIT AN IMPASSE HERE AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A WORKABLE AMENDMENT THAT DOESN'T JUST MAKE A COUNTER MOTION HERE. 
          SO LET'S, WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, YES, SIR. 
          I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST, JUST BECAUSE THIS MIGHT THROW A WRENCH INTO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, NOT PURPOSEFUL, I MEAN NOT ON PURPOSE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE CASE BY CASE BASIS ARGUMENT RELIES ON, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO SAY THAT, UH, PRECEDENT MEAN, YOU KNOW, PRECEDENT MEANS SOMETHING OR CASE BY CASE MEANS SOMETHING. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. 
          THE, THE, UM, UH, BUT, BUT WE ALSO CAN'T, CAN'T, YOU KNOW, COMMIT OURSELVES TO DEMONIZING RIGHT. 
          UH, TOLERANCE THAT, THAT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, THIS IS NOT A, UH, UH, IRREVERSIBLE CONDITION. 
          AND IF THERE'S BEEN ANY DAMAGE, THE DAMAGE WAS DONE TO A FACIA BOARD, YOU KNOW, LIKE A OUTER, AN OUTER RAFTER BOARD. 
          SO, AND, AND TAKING, TAKING THE, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST SAYING THAT WE BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, THAT THIS IS AN HONEST, UM, UM, SHE JUST DIDN'T KNOW AND THAT WE'RE GONNA BELIEVE HER, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HERE THAT, UH, THAT DOES WORK AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS AN HONEST, UM, MISTAKE. 
          UH, BUT IT, BUT IT ALSO ASKS US TO, TO TOLERATE SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND MAYBE EVEN TO INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE, UH, MATERIALITY, RIGHT? UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A FALSE HISTORICISM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS AN ALIEN MATERIAL. 
          AND, AND IT'S NOT OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          A PERSON, A GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS LIVING IN THE 1970S AND SOME GUY CAME OVER AND SAID, HEY, I CAN DO THIS. 
          SHE WOULD DO THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, IT, IT IS WELL DONE. 
          DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S WRONG. 
          THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS BEING TOLERANT OF AN APPLICANT THAT, THAT IS BEING STRAIGHT WITH US AND SAYING SHE, SHE DID KNOW. 
          AND THERE IT IS. 
          'CAUSE THE O THE THE ONLY, UH, UH, THE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, HEY, TEAR IT ALL DOWN, RIGHT? AND THEN, AND THEN, THEN, THEN, THEN THAT'S THE PRECEDENT, RIGHT? 
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WHICH MY COMMENT, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS. 
          GIBBS NAYYY SABINO NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MAZUA AYE. 
          AND CARPENTER NAYYY ANTE. 
          YES. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          SO AS, AS SUSPECTED, WE'RE GONNA BE KIND OF DEADLOCKED ON THIS ONE. 
          DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AGREE TO MR. CHAIRMAN, I OF, I'D LOVE TRY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I THINK MIGHT BE IN THE REALM OF OFFERING SOME AFFORDABILITY TO THIS, UH, APPLICANT. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT, THAT THE, UM, THAT THE, UH, CARPORT COVER, UH, BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE REMOVAL OF THREE, THREE FEET OF THE, OF THE ROOF COVER FROM THE FRONT OF THE CARPORT, THEREFORE, NOT IMPACTING THE REAR, BUT ONLY IMPACTING THE FRONT WHERE IT INTERFERES WITH THE RAFTER BOARD OR THE FACIA BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT DEPTH OF THE CARPORT? I BELIEVE IT WAS 22 FEET. 
          IT WAS 10 BY 22. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          BACK TO 19 FEET SO THAT IT WOULD CUT IT BACK TO 19. 
          LIKE, LIKE A CAR, LIKE A CAR PARKING DIMENSION MINIMUM. 
          I THINK THAT'S A VALID PROPOSAL. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          SO JUST, I HAVE A QUESTION, THEN I HAVE A DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, IF I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT THE, THE COST WAS OF, OF THE CARPORT. 
          UM, I PAID 6,000 TO, FOR THE CARPORT STRUCTURE AND LABOR, AND I PAID ANOTHER 2000 TO HAVE THE, UH, DRIVEWAY EXTENDED. 
          SO, SO, SO ABOUT WAS THE COST OF THE CARPORT? YEAH. 
          TOTAL? YES. 
          SO YOU SAID EIGHT, IS THAT WHAT SHE SAID? YES, EIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          EIGHT THOUGH. 
          YEAH, I, I CAN, UH, I, I, I DEFINITELY RESPECT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ IS, IS, UH, MOTION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT, THEY WON'T CUT IT. 
          THEY WILL JUST START OVER. 
          THAT THEY'LL CHARGE HER FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          THEY'LL TAKE IT DOWN AND THEN THEY WILL CHARGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THESE, THESE, THESE CARPORTS AND AWNINGS ARE DESIGNED. 
          THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE MADE TO ORDER, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME OUT AND DO IT. 
          SO THEY WON'T CUT A PIECE OF IT OFF AND, AND SET IT BACK. 
          THEY WILL JUST TELL HER THAT YOU NEED TO START OVER. 
          SO IF SHE, IF WE AGREE TO THAT, THEN SHE WOULD JUST BE TAKING IT DOWN AND REBUILDING IT AGAIN, IN WHICH CASE WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD IT AGAIN, THEN BUILD IT OUTTA WOOD AND OFFSET EVERYTHING COMPLETELY, THEN IT WOULD BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE THEN, THEN IT WOULD BE IN, RIGHT. 
          THEY WOULDN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I, I GET THE PRECEDENCE, BUT WE ARE CASE BY CASE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T VOTE, I CAN'T, I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION JUST BECAUSE WE'RE, IT'S GOING BACK TO THE TEAR IT ALL DOWN AND START OVER AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOSING THE EIGHT, THE EIGHT GRAND YOU PUT INTO IT TO BEGIN WITH. 
          SO I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS, BUT ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS? OKAY. 
          UH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THIS HOUSE DESIGNATED HISTORICAL, I KNOW IT'S IN THE DISTRICT, BUT IS SHE GETTING A, IS IS IT TAX FOR TAX PURPOSES? SORRY. 
          YEAH, IT'S ALL THE SAME. 
          SO WHETHER IT'S A LANDMARK OR IN A DISTRICT, THEN IT'S THE SAME DESIGNATION. 
          AND SO IT QUALIFIES, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS FOR, UM, POTENTIALLY BEING ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE. 
          AND CAN THAT BE REVOKED? WHAT DO YOU MEAN REVOKED? WHAT CAN, WHAT BE REVOKED CAN BE, CAN BE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND THEN NOT GET THE TAX BREAK. 
          SO IT, IT'S A TAX INCENTIVE THAT YOU RECEIVE IF YOU PERFORM A SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST AN AUTOMATIC INCENTIVE FOR BEING HISTORIC. 
          YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN THE PROPERTY, 
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SIR. 
          YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW CERTAIN GUIDELINES OF REHABILITATION. 
          UM, OKAY, SO I THINK WE HAD A MOTION TO REMOVE THREE FEET SHORTENING, SHORTENING THE EXISTING CARPORT TO 19 FEET. 
          AND WE HAD A SECOND AND SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, UH, THE CREDIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          JUST THE, THE, THE TECHNICAL CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT. 
          BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT TO A VOTE AND SEE IF THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE. 
          GIBBS NAYYY. 
          SO BEING SINO NAY VELASQUEZ, AYE. 
           AYE. 
          CARPENTER, NAYYY AND ANTES NAY MOTION FAILS. 
          ALRIGHT, ONE. 
          OKAY, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME AN ALTERNATIVE, LET ME TRY ONE HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN WE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, TO CLAD THE PILLARS IN A VENEER OF WOOD? IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT A VIABLE AMENDMENT? I, I, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT BE ALLOWED WHERE POSSIBLE TO CLAD THE PILLARS IN A WOOD VENEER, MATCHING THE TRIM OF THE EXISTING HOUSE TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE, UH, THAT IT MAY, MAY BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT COMPLIMENTS THE HOUSE A LITTLE MORE THAN IT DOES NOW. 
          I, I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          JIMMY. 
          THAT'S A GOOD MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMENTS ON THAT? SAV? I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          MR. GIBBS? NO COMMENTS, MR. BAZOOKA? NO COMMENT. 
          MY MY COMMENT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A NOBLE EFFORT TO TRY TO FIND A, A COMPROMISE HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE PLACEMENT OF IT, UH, IT'S THE DIRECT CONNECTION TO IT RATHER THAN IT HAVING BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, SELF-SUPPORTIVE AND DETACHED. 
          SO I THINK EVEN THEN YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A DESIRABLE THING TO HAVE SOMEONE COME IN, YOU KNOW, MONTHS LATER AND POINT AT AND SAY, HEY GUYS. 
          UM, AND YES, IT IS A CASE BY CASE, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE DEMONSTRATING, UM, THAT WE'RE DOING THINGS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. 
          AND, UM, I JUST THINK THIS ONE'S TOO PROBLEMATIC ON TOO MANY LEVELS. 
          NOPE. 
          IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, LET'S DO ANOTHER ROLL CALL. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          I, I JUST, I I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. 
          I MEAN, LOOK, THIS PICTURE'S A GOOD PICTURE AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED AESTHETICALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE VALUE OF THE, OF THE STREETSCAPE. 
          UM, THE TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THE SITUATION SHE JUST DIDN'T KNOW. 
          BUT OVERALL, THE CITIZENS LOOK AT THIS PICTURE AND THEY ASK THEMSELVES, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS SITUATION HERE? HAVE WE NO RIGHTS? YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER PERSON CAN ASK. 
          I JUST LIKE TO BE ON THE SIDE OF, OF, OF THE RECORD THAT LOOKS AT THIS AND SAYS, SOMETIMES SOME THINGS ARE JUST RIGHT AND THEY, THEY, THEY'RE THEIR OWN TESTIMONY. 
          AND THIS, THIS, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          THIS IS JUST THE COMMENTS I WANNA MAKE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ELSE? UH, I I, WE'RE JUST BEATING IT UP, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT COMES DOWN TO THE, TO THE POCKETBOOK, YOU KNOW, UH, I KNOW THAT THIS CAN'T BE TAKEN DOWN WITHOUT IT BEING REDONE COMPLETELY. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THIS, THIS PROJECT. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS OUT OF PLACE UNLESS YOU GET THE MICROSCOPE OUT AND START EYEBALLING EACH CORNER CORNER DETAIL. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU START EYEBALLING THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, HOW IT INTERSECTS WITH THE, WITH THE MAIN PART OF THE ROOF. 
          AND WHILE TECHNICALLY THAT IS CORRECT, AND IF I LOOK AT MY BOOK HERE OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS, UH, THAT I HAVE IN MY BACK, IN MY BACKPACK HERE, YEAH, I CAN PROBABLY FIND SOME FLAWS IN IT. 
          BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT OVERWHELMING OR OVERPOWERING. 
          I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN WORSE. 
          SO I, YEAH, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID IT IS MINIMALIST, BUT IT'S, IT'S STILL PRETTY NON-COMPLIANT. 
          DO YOU HAVE, UH, MR. CHAIR? I DO HAVE ONE LAST COMMENT. 
          UM, UH, THE MOST, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY DISTURBING. 
          THE MOST OVERT 
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ASPECT OF THIS IS ITS SIZE AND THE CONNECTION TO THE HOUSE. 
          I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TALL FOR A CARPORT, AND I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO CLEAR THE WINDOWS, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          BUT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DON'T ATTACH THESE THINGS TO HOUSES IS BECAUSE THE, THE HEIGHT, THE DIMENSIONS, THE WIDTH AND THE LENGTHS OF WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR CARS ISN'T NECESSARILY COORDINATING WITH THE HEIGHTS AND THE WIDTHS AND THE DIMENSIONS OF A HOUSE. 
          THOSE ARE STORAGE FOR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO WE END UP WITH THIS AWKWARD FORM AND AGAIN, IT'S MADE A LITTLE BIT MORE AWKWARD BY IT SITTING FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSAL TO TAKE OFF A LITTLE BIT OF LENGTH FROM IT AND PULL IT BACK TO THE FACE OF THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          IF THE LOGISTICS OF IT WORK, PRICING WISE, GUARANTEE WISE, AND WHATEVER OTHER KIND OF FINANCIAL DEAL THAT CAN BE MADE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXPLORED, BUT I THINK THE SUCCESS OF THIS AND THE HOUSE RELY UPON THE SEPARATION OR THE DECOUPLING OF STORAGE FOR CAR STORAGE FOR PEOPLE. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, MOVING THIS BACK AT LEAST BACK TO THE, THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE, UM, TO ALLOW THE TWO TO READ AND BE LEGIBLE FOR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE. 
          I COULD CERTAINLY, UM, SPEAK TO THE CONTRACTOR ABOUT SEEING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO REMOVE LIKE, UM, THE FRONT PANEL. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT'S FIVE SEPARATE BA PANELS. 
          UM, SO I'M NOT SURE, LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO CUT OFF A PIECE OR CHANGE THE SIZE, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY ASK ABOUT THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , MR. CHAIR, WHERE ARE WE IN REGARDS TO A MOTION RIGHT NOW? WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLAD THE STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          IN WOOD. 
          UM, SO ACTUALLY MEETS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS. 
          YEAH, WHAT'S THAT? SO THAT IT MEETS ONE OF THE, SO YEAH, SO IT MEETS ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS. 
          IT BEGINS TO BE COMPOSED OF A CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD, UM, UH, AS PER THE PERIOD. 
          UM, A QUESTION FOR OUR, UH, MOTION OR WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO WITHDRAW THAT MOTION TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS WITH HER CONTRACTOR THE FEASIBILITY OF DISASSEMBLY, RE RECONFIGURATION, THAT SORT OF THING, AND HAVE HER COME BACK TO US FOR A D R C? YES. 
          IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO THAT AND EXPLORE CUTTING THAT PIECE OFF, UM, I, I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE RIGHT BACK WHERE WE'RE AGAIN WITH THREE FEET, YOU KNOW, HEMMING AND HAWING OVER THREE FEET. 
          IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO DO, THEN I THINK AS COMMISSIONERS WE OWE, OWE HER THAT, UH, IF SHE COMPLIES WITH THAT, UM, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, YES, I AM WILLING TO RETRACT, BUT I WOULD HATE TO HAVE HER SEE, AND THEN SOME SOMEONE ELSE SAY, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU TOOK OFF THE THREE FEET, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING. 
          AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL TELLING HER TO TEAR IT DOWN AND, AND I WOULD REMOVE MY SECOND IF, UH, COMMISSIONER JIMMY THERE REMOVED HIS, HIS MOTION. 
          I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS I WOULD LIKE COMMISSIONER ASSURANCES RIGHT NOW THAT IF WE CAN GET HER TO FEASIBLY TAKE THOSE THREE FEET OFF, THEN I WILL RETRACT MY, MY MOTION AND LET HER, UH, EXPLORE THAT. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST THREE FEET. 
          I THINK THAT WAS PROPOSED, BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO THE, THE BACK PLANE OF, OF THE PORCH COR CORRECT, YOU'RE PROBABLY TAKING AWAY A FULL BAY OF THAT AND THEN ADDING THAT BAY TO THE BACK SIDE, COR. 
          CORRECT. 
          AT AT LEAST YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THAT, BUT YOU'RE STILL ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. 
          MR. CHAIR, I THINK THERE'S VALIDITY IN A D R C WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR BE THERE TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE WHO WILL GIVE US MORE INFORMATION. 
          WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. 
          UM, IS HE, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE ABLE TO GET THE CONTRACTOR THERE POINT OF ORDER? MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. 
          WE DO HAVE A MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED. 
          I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU PROCEED ON A VOTE ON THAT MOTION AND IF THAT MOTION FAILS, THEN YOU CAN TAKE UP ANOTHER MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE ROLL CALL ON THE MOTION. 
          AND THIS MOTION IS TO CLAD THE STRUCTURE IN WOOD. 
          GIBBS. 
          NAY, SAVINA, NAY, VELAZQUEZ, AYE. 
          MASUKA, NAY, UH, CARPENTER NAY AND GIBBS. 
          I MEAN, CERVANTES. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION FAILS. 
          SO CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A D R C? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A D R C, UH, VIRTUAL 
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D R C, UM, AND TO DISCUSS THE, UM, THE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CASE. 
          UM, IF YOU COULD PLEASE BRING YOUR CONTRACTOR ALONG, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL WE HAVE A, A MOTION FOR A D R C WITH A CONTRACTOR TO DO SOME PROBLEM SOLVING ON THIS? THIS SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? NO DISCUSSION. 
          THE HALLS ARE SILENT. 
          WE'LL HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          SABINA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          AND ANTE? YES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK, DID WE HAVE A MEETING MINUTES? DID THOSE GET APPROVED THE BEGINNING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY DID. 
          IT'S ALL DOWN. 
          ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S IT, RIGHT? . 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND SUPPORT IN DOING THIS. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          .
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.