* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I'D [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. FISH. HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELAZQUEZ MORALES MOOKA. HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GROUP CERVANTES. HERE. LA AND FETZER. HERE WE GET STARTED. WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING WHEN I STARTED. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANT'S ARREST TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. ALTHOUGH ATTENDING IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY MUST HONOR THE ROLE OF THE CHAIR IN MAINTAINING ORDER, THEY MUST ALSO PRACTICE CIVILITY, PROFESSIONALISM, AND DECORUM IN DISCUSSION AND DEBATE. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. UM, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, BEFORE [Approval of Minutes] WE LOOK AT THE, UM, AGENDA TODAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 7TH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. I SECOND I SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? THAT'S ME TODAY. UM, GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER? YES. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. UM, IF WE COULD DRAW OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A PRETTY SHORT AGENDA TODAY. UM, THERE ARE A FEW UPDATES. UM, ITEM 12 AND ITEM 14. THAT'S 34 OF 21 BROADWAY AND 1 55 CROFTON. THOSE HAVE BOTH BEEN WITHDRAWN. UM, THEY'RE WORKING WITH STAFF FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL 'CAUSE THEY'VE AGREED TO STIPULATIONS. UM, SO THOSE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] LOOK AT THE CONSENT ITEMS. WE HAVE, UM, A COUPLE OF VOICEMAILS TO PLAY. UM, SO LET'S DO THAT AT THIS TIME. FIRST VOICEMAIL IS FOR 7 32 NORTH PINE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 73 LOCATED AT 7 32 NORTH PINE. WE CANNOT SUPPORT O P'S RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT SEEING THE IMAGE OF THE, OF THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK FROM THE CURB TO THE STAIRS. THE PICTURE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED SHOWS FLAGSTONE AND GRAVEL FROM THE CURB TO THE STAIRS. THE NEW UPDATED PICTURE SHOULD ALSO SHOW THAT THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK WALKWAY IS NOW CEMENT FROM THE CURB [00:05:01] TO THE STAIRS. DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE AN IMAGE SHOWING THIS? IF HE DOES, CAN HE PLEASE SUBMIT IT? THANK YOU. NEXT VOICEMAIL IS FOR 5 0 2 SHERMAN. HELLO, MY NAME IS CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIG WHITTY HILL, I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 46, LOCATED AT 5 0 2 SHERMAN STREET. WE DO NOT AGREE WITH OH P'S RECOMMENDATION WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE OTHER INVESTMENT PROPERTIES. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS THAT THIS DEVELOPER CAN CLAIM ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT ECONOMIC HARDSHIP WAS ESTABLISHED? ADDITIONALLY, THIS DEVELOPER HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2017. WHY? IT WAS NOTHING DONE TO STABILIZE THIS GARAGE PREVIOUSLY. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE WORD HAS CIRCULATED, THAT ALL A DEVELOPER HAS TO DO IS REQUEST ECONOMIC HARDSHIP TO DEMO ANY BUILDING THAT TAKES ANY WORK TO RENOVATE. IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF O H P AND H D R C WOULD STOP ALLOWING THESE HISTORIC CARRIAGE HOUSES GARAGES AND SHEDS FROM BEING DEMOLISHED BECAUSE A DEVELOPER WHOSE BUSINESS IT IS TO MAKE A PROFIT SAYS HE'S FINANCIALLY UNABLE TO SAVE THEM, BUT YET TURNS AROUND AND REQUESTS TO BUILD A BRAND NEW BUILDING ON THE SAME SITE. THANK YOU. THOSE CONCLUDE OUR VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SI ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR CONSENT ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT TO PULL ANY CASES FOR DISCUSSION? YES. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. NUMBER SEVEN. ANY OTHERS? I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO WILL BE RECUSING FROM, UH, CONSENT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX, EIGHT AND NINE. I SECOND, SECOND WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS NOTED. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? OH AND A SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINA. OH, CUS SORRY. UH, MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. A CARRIES, IF YOU'RE ON THE, IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 10 0 9 AVENUE B 1301 EAST COMMERCE 1 44 CROFTON, 7 32 NORTH PINE 1501 SOUTH FLORES, 5 0 9 DELAWARE, AND 1120 EAST CROCKETT. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 4 6 5 0 2 SHERMAN. UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. ROGER DIP IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT SIDING, FRAMING, LUMBER, ROOFING PANELS, AND WINDOW SASHES BE SALVAGED FOR REUSE, WHETHER ON SITE OR ELSEWHERE. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. UM, I WANTED TO PULL THIS BECAUSE I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT. UM, WHAT IS THE FOOTPRINT AREA OF THE STRUCTURE YOU'RE REQUESTING TO DEMOLISH? THIS AREA? MM-HMM. , SO IS ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AND IT'S ABOUT, I WANNA SAY 300 FEET, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FEET, WHAT WE NEED TO DEMOLISH OR WE WOULD LIKE TO DEMOLISH. AND WE WERE THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO KEEP EVERYTHING, AS YOU KNOW, AND YOU REUSE IT ON THE MAIN HOUSE. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE FOOTPRINT, THE DIMENSIONS. I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME RIGHT NOW. UH, WHAT IS THE FLOOR ON THE INSIDE? IT'S, IT'S GOT NO FLOORING. NOTHING. THERE'S NO FLOORING? NO. UM, I REALLY, UH, WISH THAT THERE WERE SOME INTERIOR PHOTOS BECAUSE THE OUTSIDE IN MY ESTIMATION LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL THERE. THERE'S SOME EXTRANEOUS THINGS PUT ON THERE, BUT, UM, I, UNLESS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IT'S A DIRT FLOOR UNDERNEATH. IT'S GOT SOME DIRT [00:10:01] AND SOME MIX LIKE, LIKE, UM, LIKE, UM, GRAVEL AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT, YEAH, SO IT NEEDS FOUNDATION, IT NEEDS ELECTRICAL, IT NEEDS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I HAVE QUESTIONS. CHAIR. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO WHAT OTHER, UM, AVENUES OR WHATEVER IDEAS HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER THAN DEMOLITION FOR THIS, THIS ITEM? AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FIRST WHAT WE IDEALLY WOULD BE TO BRING IT DOWN, BUT IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, REWORK, FOUNDATION, REWORK, UH, ELECTRICAL, WEWORK, REWORK EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST, IT'S GOT NOTHING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN SAFE TO, FOR US TO GO IN THERE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED AND WE HAVEN'T WORKED ON IT AT ALL IN THERE. IT'S, IT'S VERY UNSTABLE. SO MY QUESTION IS ALSO LINKED TO WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO WAS ASKING ABOUT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM THE INSIDE. SO, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT ABLE TO BE SALVAGED AND NOT DO ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. YOU JUST HAVE TO TEAR IT DOWN EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, IT'S THE FOOTPRINT. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE, I MEAN, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE PICTURES FROM THE INSIDE. IT'S JUST AT THIS POINT WE DIDN'T OPEN IT TO GO LINK TO THE INSIDE AND, AND PROVIDE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE REQUESTED, BUT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO IT. I MEAN, AGAIN, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO BRING THAT WHOLE PROPERTY BACK TO LIFE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, UH, GUIDELINES. BUT THAT BACK IS JUST, IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND IT JUST DOESN'T FIT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT EVEN SAFE, YOU KNOW, SAFE STRUCTURE. SO. AND LEMME I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION. YES. AND SO, UM, WHAT IS THE COST? SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT VERSUS THE COST OF TEARING THIS BUILDING DOWN AND THE COST OF YOU, UM, BUILDING ANOTHER ONE ON THE SITE. MM-HMM. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE TO REPAIR? IT'S OVER $30,000, ALMOST 40 WITH FOUNDATION AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING TO WHERE WE WORK PROPERLY. UM, REALLY IT IS NOT AT THIS POINT, THIS, UH, THEN KEEPING IT, THIS, IT'S, IF IT'S AN OPTION, IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE TO RE HELP ME TO REWORK THAT, THAT THAT WHOLE SHED. IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE JUST BENT ON JUST DEMOLISHING AND YOU HAVEN'T REALLY DONE OTHER RESEARCH AS FAR AS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER, UM, INSTEAD OF NO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE WAY WE WE'RE SET ON DEMOLISHING. YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE OPEN TO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE. 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S RE YOU KNOW, RESTORED BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT WAS EVERYTHING, THE MAIN PROPERTY. BUT THE BAG THAT, THAT SHED IS REALLY IN REALLY ROUGH CONDITION THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE RE REDONE. EVERYTHING. THE STUD SEARCH IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY, REALLY OLD TO ME. BUT WE WANT TO KEEP ALL THE, THE WOOD SO WE CAN REUSE IT ON THE MAIN, ON THE MAIN, UH, HOUSE, IF YOU KNOW, IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WANT TO USE SOME OF THE MATERIALS OR MATERIALS FROM THIS, THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER WE CAN USE, USE IT ON THE MAIN PROPERTY THERE, WHICH IS I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA. HOW MUCH OF THE MATERIALS WOULD YOU, DOES IT MATCH LIKE THE SIDING OR THE WOOD THAT'S THERE? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TRANSPLANT SOME OF THAT AND HAVE IT MATCH THE MAIN STRUCTURE? THE SIDING DOES MATCH ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE ON THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, THE, IT, WE WANNA PRETTY MUCH USE EVERYTHING THAT THAT'S SALVAGEABLE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE STUDS AND ALL THAT. WHATEVER WE CAN USE, WE WON'T, WE, YOU KNOW, SO WHATEVER THE SIDING WE WANNA KEEP, I WANNA SAY ABOUT THE SIDING IS PROBABLY ABOUT 65, MAYBE 60% WE CAN REUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, CLEAN AND, AND, AND, AND FIX. THEN I WANNA SAY THE REST OF IT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY WE CAN SALVAGE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING. BUT NOT EVERYTHING WILL BE SALVAGEABLE. SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING WHOLESALE DEMOLISH, YOU'RE TALKING TAKE IT APART AND USE WHATEVER YOU CAN USE ON THE STRUCTURE. CORRECT. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES. UM, IN LIGHT OF THE MOTION, UM, AGAIN, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS, AS ALL OF US WOULD LIKE. UM, AND TO THE POINT THAT THINGS GET REUSED ON ANOTHER STRUCTURE. UM, IF THEY'RE REUSABLE, MAYBE THEY CAN STAY IN PLACE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW. I WOULD A MOTION THAT WE MAKE A SITE VISIT, HAVE A D R C SITE VISIT OKAY. TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK. OKAY. [00:15:01] AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS ALSO TO HELP YOU. OKAY. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, ANY COMMENTS? YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T THINK I NEED ANY, ANY TO SEE IT. I MEAN, THAT'S, WE, WE, WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS. WE DO PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA, BUT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT WE, WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US HERE. I MEAN, IT'S TILTING. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE THAT THING DOWN COMPLETELY TO REBUILD IT ANYWAY. AM I, AM I, AM I SAFE IN ASSUMING THAT THAT HAS TO COME DOWN? BECAUSE THERE'S NO FOUNDATION. SO ALL FOUR WALLS WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN IN WHOLE OR IN PIECES TO PUT A FOUNDATION. HE'S GOT POWER RUN INTO IT ALREADY. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS, I WOULD STAFF ON THIS ONE. THIS IS MY COMMENTS, SO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ANY COMMENTS? UH, NO. I THI OTHER THAN TO SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION FOR A SITE VISIT. 'CAUSE I THINK JUST GETTING TO SEE THE, THE, UH, CONDITION OF THE INTERNAL FRAMING OF IT, I THINK IS, IS CRITICAL. UH, THE STRUCTURE IS SMALL ENOUGH THAT THEY COULD, IT COULD BE RAISED AND YOU COULD PUT A PERIMETER, UH, CONCRETE FOOTING AROUND ON IT. SO IT'S NOT THAT LARGE A STRUCTURE. IT WOULD REQUIRE COMPLETE DISASSEMBLY. BUT I THINK JUST TO, TO CONFIRM THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT MEMBERS THAT ARE, ARE ROTTED, DETERIORATED, UH, AND THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, UNSALVAGEABLE, UH, AS, AS A FUNCTIONAL STRUCTURE, AT SOME POINT, THESE, THESE STRUCTURES WERE VERY SPARSELY CONSTRUCTED, UH, OFTEN WITH THE LEFTOVERS OF THE, OF THE MAIN HOUSE. AND THEY, THEY SOMETIMES GET TO THE END OF THEIR U U UTIL UTILIZATION, THEIR UTILITY. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD BE A, A GOOD THING TO GET, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GIVE IT A FAIR SHAKE THAT WAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO. I'D, I'D BE IN FAVOR OF, OF A SITE VISIT, BUT I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT YES SIR. IF YOU WERE TO RAISE THIS STRUCTURE, WHAT, WHAT GOES IN ITS PLACE? A GARDEN? IT, IT, I MEAN, IT WILL HAVE TO BE TEARED DOWN TO BE ABLE TO BE REBELLED. I MEAN, TO RAISE IT UP AND DO THE FOUNDATION. YES. MM-HMM. NO, BUT AS PER THE FIRST THOUGHTS OF JUST DEMOLISHING IT MM-HMM. , WHAT WOULD GO IN ITS PLACE FOR THE, FOR DEMOLITION? I'M SORRY. NO, WE WILL HAVE TO GET 'EM, TAKE IT APART VERY CAREFULLY. ONE PIECE AT A TIME SO WE CAN REUSE ALL THE MATERIAL. IF I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, I'M SORRY. CORRECT. BUT, BUT ONCE IT'S GONE, UHHUH , WHAT GOES IN ITS PLACE? UM, WE DON'T HAVE, I MEAN, IF IT'S DEMO, WE WON'T REBUILD ANYTHING UNTIL, UNLESS WE ARE ASKED TO. UM, I MEAN, IF WE CAN, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTION NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT I MEAN, AT THIS POINT IT WAS JUST TO DEMOLISH IT AND JUST MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, PART OF THE PATIO AND GARDEN. BUT IF IT NEEDS TO BE REWORKED, I MEAN, IF IT NEEDS TO HAVE ANOTHER SECTION, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO REBUILD SOMETHING THERE, BUT SOMETHING THAT'LL BE SAFE AND, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE AND THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, ANYTHING TO ADD? NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, SENDING THIS TO A SITE VISIT. UH, ANY LAST COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINA? OKAY, THEN I, UH, HAVE A ROLL CALL. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINO. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER FISH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE YOU FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. AGENDA [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] ITEM NUMBER 10, AND COMMISSIONER SABINO IS RECUSING. UM, AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST FOR THE NEXT TWO CASES, THESE ARE BOTH REQUESTS FOR REVIEW OF A SOURCE SIGNIFICANCE THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY A NON-OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, SO WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IS WE'LL READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD. UM, WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UH, TO THEIR POINTS OF THE APPLICATION. UM, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVES. SO THIS IS HRC CASE 20 WEST PORTLAND. UH, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AMY. IS YOUR MIC ON? YOU ALREADY DONE? I DON'T THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE TO HOLD THE BUTTON ON THE MIC. OH, SORRY. THANK YOU. LET ME REPEAT MYSELF. IT'S, THANK YOU. THIS IS H G I C CASE 20 21 6 18 3 12 WEST COURTLAND PLACE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE REVIEW OF BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION REGARDING ELIGIBILITY FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 1 2 WEST COURTLAND. [00:20:14] A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA UNDER THE U D C IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF AGREES THAT THE APPLICANT, THAT THE PROPERTY MEETS FIVE CRITERIA. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G AND RECOMMENDS A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION. WE ALSO HAVE VOICEMAIL, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION. SO IS THE APPLICANT HERE? AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO, WITH A BRIEF PRESENTATION. RICKY, DID YOU WANNA COME UP? MS. KUSHNER? OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA PLAY THE VOICEMAIL, BUT THAT'S ALL. AH, OKAY. UM, I'M FREDERIKA KUSHNER, 4 0 5 EAST MERLE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 2. I'M SPEAKING FOR THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. NEXT, PLEASE. THERE ARE THREE THEMES I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IN THIS CASE. ARCHITECTURE, GROUPING AND PERSONAL ASSOCIATION WITH THE R M HUGHES, WITH R M HUGHES AND HIS DAUGHTER, RUSSELL MERRIWEATHER HUGHES, WHO BECAME THE DANCER. LA LA MARY THREE 12 WEST CORTLAND WAS BUILT IN AROUND 1913 BY ARCHITECT MASON MAORI FOR BUSINESSMAN R M HUGHES, BUT IT IS SO MUCH MORE WAR. NEXT, PLEASE. IT FULFILLS CRITERION THREE FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AS THE HOME OF THE HUGHES FAMILY, RMM AND LILY HUGHES AND TWO DAUGHTERS, LILLIAN AND RUSSELL. RUSSELL BECAME A WELL-KNOWN AND MUCH RESPECTED DANCER AND TEACHER OF DANCE. SHE WORKED AT JULLIARD AND JACOB'S PILLOW WITH BEN SHAWN AND SHE AND DANCER RUTH ST. DENNIS FORMED A DANCE SCHOOL IN NEW YORK CITY. NEXT, PLEASE. THIS IS ONE OF THE MANY BOOKS THAT ON DANCE THAT SHE WROTE. SHE WAS AN EXPERT ON ETHNIC DANCE DANCES FROM VARIOUS AND SUNDRY COUNTRIES. NEXT PLEASE. SHE RETIRED TO SAN ANTONIO AND DIED HERE IN 1989. THE NEW YORK TIMES CARRIED HER OBITUARY IN 1942. LILLIAN AND RUSSELL, HER, HER, THE SISTERS SOLD THE HOUSE TO OZE AND GEORGE ROBERT THOMPSON. GEORGE R. THOMPSON WAS A POLITICAL ACTIVIST AND LATER WAS COUNSELOR FOR THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY AND ALSO A CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR. AT ONE POINT IN 1965, OELL THOMPSON DEEDED THE HOUSE TO THE ARCHDIOCESE OF SAN ANTONIO, AND IT BECAME THE SAN ANTONIO COLLEGE CATHOLIC STUDENT CENTER. IN 2021, THE ARCHDIOCESE REQUESTED A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE. NEXT, PLEASE. OKAY. CONCERNING CRITERION NUMBER FOUR, THE MASTER ARCHITECT MASON MAORI DESIGNED AND BUILT THE HOUSE FOR THE HUGHES FAMILY. HE WAS WELL KNOWN ON THE EAST COAST, AND HIS REPUTATION AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS WERE NATIONAL. IN SCOPE, HE HAS TWO BUILDINGS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES. HE MODIFIED HIS PRAIRIE SCHOOL STYLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE LOCATION IN SAN ANTONIO. NEXT, PLEASE. THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF MAORI'S ORIGINAL DESIGN HASN'T CHANGED. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS 1931 SANBORN. THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS 1971 SANBORN, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT TODAY. CRITERION NUMBER FIVE REQUIRES EMBODIMENT OF DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF AN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. AND THE HUGHES HOUSE IS IMMEDIATELY IDENTIFIABLE AS SPRAY AS A PRAIRIE STYLE BUILDING WITH SAN ANTONIO INFLUENCE. NEXT, PLEASE NOTICE THE ARCHES ON THE FRONT PORCH. THOSE ARE NOT PRAIRIE PRAIRIE STYLE. THOSE ARE SAN ANTONIO. NEXT, PLEASE. [00:25:02] THE HOUSE FITS CRITERION NUMBER EIGHT. IT IS LOCATED ON A HILL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE KALER HOUSE AND TEMPLE BETH EL AND THE BENNETT HOUSE. ALL OUR BUILDINGS, IT PERFECTLY FITS THE CULTURE AND ARCHITECTURE OF ITS SURROUNDINGS. CRITERION NUMBER 13 IS MET IN THAT THE HUGHES HOUSE IS ADJACENT TO THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOWS A KINSHIP WITH THE HOUSES IN THAT AREA BUILT BY OTHER SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMEN. THE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA RELATE TO EACH OTHER IN THE DISTINCTIVENESS OF THEIR STYLE AND THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THEIR ARCHITECTURE. I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE HUGHES HOUSE HAS RECENTLY BEEN SAVED FROM DEMOLITION, BUT WITHOUT HISTORIC PROTECTION AND OWNER MADE DUE TO, TO THE HOUSE, WHATEVER HE OR SHE FEELS IS SUITABLE AT ANY TIME. WHAT I'M ASKING FOR TODAY IS THAT THE CITY SIMPLY OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZE THAT THE HUGHES HOUSE IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT. THIS IS ONE STEP IN PRESERVING ITS FOOTPRINT AND ITS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. OWNERSHIP CHANGES OVER TIME. THE PRESENT OWNER HAS EXPRESSED ADMIRATION FOR THE ARCHITECTURE AND STATE OF PRESERVATION OF THE HUGHES HOUSE. BUT WHAT'S TO SAY WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN 10 OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW? A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IS NOT HISTORIC DESIGNATION, BUT IT PROVIDES HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION AND IS AN, AND IS AN OFFICIAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE HISTORIC IMPORTANCE OF THE BUILDING. SO I'M ASKING FOR A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR 3 1 2 WEST COURTLAND PLACED THE HUGHES HOUSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS NORMALLY WHEN I CALL UP THE PROPERTY OWNER, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE AN OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CASE. UM, JUST KNOW THE DATE WAS COORDINATED WITH THE OWNER. UM, SO THERE WAS A DECISION NOT TO ATTEND, I BELIEVE. UM, BUT THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE REQUEST. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. UM, AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, THAT AMY'S GONNA PLAY, UM, JUST LIKE THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THE STEP IN THE PROCESS WOULD BE IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY, WE WOULD WORK FIRST WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CONSENT TO THE DESIGNATION AS THE FIRST STEP. UM, SO IF THERE'S NOT OWNER CONSENT, THEN IT WOULD GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A, UM, RESOLUTION TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGNATION. IF THERE IS OWNER CONSENT, THEN IT JUST MOVES FORWARD LIKE A NORMAL ZONING CASE AT THE REQUEST OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO WE WOULD OF COURSE, FIRST WORK WITH THEM ON, ON THAT PROCESS. THANK YOU. UH, YOU SAY WE HAVE VOICEMAILS? WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER TEN THREE ONE TWO WEST CORTLAND PLACE. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE FINDING OF HIS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND ELIGIBILITY FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION FOR 3 1 2 WEST CORTLAND PLACE. WE CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT AND O H P STAFF FINDING THAT THE STRUCTURE MEETS FIVE OF THE CRITERION FOR DESIGNATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES. SO I, I THINK MY QUESTION MOSTLY IS, IS RIGHT NOW IS, IS FOR STAFF, UH, COREY, WHAT, UH, HOW, HOW DOES THIS FACTOR IN THE, THE STATE LAW ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, ABIDING WITH, UH, THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE DESIGNATIONS OR, YEAH, THIS ONE'S PRIVATELY OWNED, SO THAT STATE LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY. OKAY, GREAT. WHAT, WHAT DOES APPLY IS THE PROCESS FOR, FOR DESIGNATION. AND SO WHEN THERE'S NOT OWNER CONSENT IN GENERAL, THOSE NEED TO COME FROM CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW SHOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO VERIFY OWNER CONSENT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. I WOULD CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT AND STAFF THAT THIS SHOULD RECEIVE A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, UH, FOR THE CRITERIA DESCRIBED, THE, THE PER THE INDIVIDUALS OWNING IT, THE ARCHITECT, THE, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, AND THE OTHER ITEMS AS WELL. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. CHAIRMAN? OH, EXCUSE ME. NO, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER FISH. YEP. UM, I, I CONCUR. I APPRECIATE, UH, THE WORK THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS DONE IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, AND I SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS. AND ALONG THOSE LINES, UH, I MOVE, UH, FOR A FINDING OF, OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION [00:30:01] AND A SECOND. SO, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. WAS WHO IS THE SECOND? I I HEARD HIM. I SAW YOU. SO I'LL, I'LL PUT, UH, COMMISSIONER ES. COMMISSIONER ZUKA, ANY COMMENTS? NO, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, AND I WANT TO ECHO THE APPRECIATION TO THE APPLICANT'S, UH, THAT, UH, FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION. YOU KNOW, IT'S, I KNOW A LOT OF ENERGY AND, AND TIME GOES INTO TO DOING THIS BECOMES A LABOR OF LOVE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I, AND I, YOU KNOW, APPLAUD THOSE THAT WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN SAVING THE STRUCTURE TO BEGIN WITH, FROM, FROM DEMO, FROM DEMOLITION. UM, AND I AGREE THAT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME RECOGNITION OF THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT, UH, STRUCTURE. AND, UH, ONE OF THE STRONGEST, UH, UH, CRITERIA, I THINK FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS ITS RELATIONSHIP TO ITS NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT. IT REALLY DOES TYPIFY AN ERA IN SAN ANTONIO THAT'S VERY SIGNIFICANT. UM, AND IT WOULD BE A, A HUGE LOSS IF IT, IF IT EVER DID, UH, COME UP FOR DEMOLITION AGAIN. SO I, I SUPPORT THE MOTIONS AND APPRECIATE, UH, ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO TO CRAFTING THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. AND, UM, YES, I THINK EVERYONE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH. AYE. SAVINA IS RECUSED. UH, MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UH, IMPRESS UPON THEM THE, THE VALUE OF THIS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND THE, UH, TAX CITY TAX ABATEMENT OPPORTUNITIES IF IT GETS DESIGNATED. THANK YOU. OF COURSE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. THIS IS H D R C CASE 20 22 2 4 9 0 8 FOR 2004 CHIHUAHUA. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW BY THE H D R C REGARDING ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY AT 2004 CHIHUAHUA. FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, A PROPERTY MUST MEET THREE OF 16 CRITERIA UNDER THE U D C IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION. STAFF FINDS THAT THE RECTORY ITSELF DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THE FULL PARCEL AT 2004 CHIHUAHUA IS ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION, AND IF IT WERE DESIGNATED, THE RECTORY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW. UNLESS THE PROPERTY OWNER CONSENTS TO DESIGNATION, THE CASE WILL CONCLUDE AND THE DEMOLITION WILL BE APPROVED. DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WE'RE GONNA SHARE. NATALIE'S GONNA GO FIRST. YOU PREFER, OOPS. OKAY. I'VE REWRITTEN THIS OVER AND OVER. I I GOT CONFUSED. . OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS NATALIE GUERRERO AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE. I'M ALSO DESCRIBED FOR THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION. SALON FSO CHURCH HAS BEEN MY CHURCH FOR OVER 60 YEARS AND THREE GENERATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RECTORY SAFE POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT STILL HAS LIFE AND POTENTIAL. THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING IS BEAUTIFUL AND IT FITS CORRECT IF IT'S RIGHT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME PEOPLE THAT I HAVE ASKED ABOUT SAVING DIRECTORY AS IF THEY CAN MOVE INTO IT, THAT IS HOW BEAUTIFUL IT STILL LOOKS. IF YOU LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS WHAT YOUR HOME WOULD LOOK LIKE GROWING UP. I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS AND OUR PEOPLE GET OLD, BUT YOU TRY TO PRESERVE THE BEAUTY AS LONG AS YOU CAN. MAYBE ANOTHER A HUNDRED YEARS. I AM REALLY FEELING SAD FOR THE WAY THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN HANDLED. THE CHURCH NEVER ONCE ANNOUNCED TO THE PEOPLE OF THE PARISH THAT THE CHURCH INTENTION WAS TO TEAR IT DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS A NUISANCE, AND THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. UH, OKAY, UH, UM, WE MET AT THE CHURCH TO DISCUSS IDEAS ON HOW TO SAVE THE RECTORY BECAUSE [00:35:01] IT HAD BEEN NEGLECTED. WE WERE SHUT DOWN AND DISRESPECTED. WE WERE TOLD THE REC IS GOING DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED FOR IT AND CANNOT BE SAVED. THE RECTORY WAS USED BEFORE FOR FATHERS TO LIVE IN IT, AND THEY ALSO HAD AN OFFICE TO ASSIST WITH RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAD A LONGTIME FATHER, FATHER DAVIS, WHO UTILIZED THE RECTORY FOR MANY YEARS FOR ACTIVITIES TO ASSIST THE YOUTH. AND THE FATHER WELCOMED ANYONE, JUST NEEDED A SAFE HOME. THIS HOUSE IS BEAUTIFUL IN CHARACTER. IT HAS JUST BEEN NEGLECTED. SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN LOOK BEYOND ON HOW MUCH WE CAN DO WITH IT. IT'S A HISTORICAL LANDMARK IN MY EYES. IT'S OUR ANCESTORS. OUR GRANDPARENTS STILL GUIDING THIS CHURCH. WE WERE TOLD THAT THE DIRECTORY BELONGS TO THE CHURCH AND THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT WITH IT. I FEEL THE CHURCH BELONGS TO THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY'S HELP BY ATTENDING CHURCH AND GIVING THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY AND BEING PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CHURCH, ALSO THEIR TIME AND THEIR DONATIONS, THERE WILL BE NO CHURCH. IT'S A COMMUNITY'S HISTORY AND MEMORIES. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE PASSION FOR IT. IT'S SAD THAT INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH A COMMUNITY TO FIND WAYS TO RESTORE IT, THEY JUST WANNA GET RID OF IT WITHOUT NOTICE. IT'S SAD THAT WHEN YOU TRY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE CHURCH, YOU GET DISRESPECTED AND SHUT DOWN. YOU'RE ATTACKING AWAY TO DISCOURAGE YOU. AT ONE TIME I THOUGHT THE RECTORY WAS BEING RENOVATED BECAUSE THEY WERE, THEY ARE STARTING TO TAKE DOWN THINGS OUT OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, IF YOU SEE THE STRUCTURE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S STILL STANDING THERE WITHOUT WINDOWS. MAYBE BECAUSE I, AND WHATEVER THEY TOOK FROM THE, THE INSIDE OF THE CHURCH GOT RID OF A LOT OF MEMORIES, YOU KNOW, GOOD. UM, BUT INSTEAD, AND I FIND OUT THAT NO, THEY'RE TEARING IT DOWN. THEY'RE JUST TEARING IT DOWN IN A WAY THAT I GUESS THE COMMUNITY, UH, WON'T KNOW. MAYBE OVERNIGHT, I DON'T KNOW. UM, THE, THE CHURCH, THE ACTUAL CHURCH AT ONE TIME, UH, WAS TRYING TO GET, THEY RENOVATED THE INSIDE OF THE CHURCH TO MAKE IT MORE MODERNIZED. THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT HAPPY WITH IT. AND IT, AND IT WAS CHANGED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WAY. THE CHURCH JUST DIDN'T FEEL THE SAME. AND YOU WANT TO ALWAYS WORSHIP AND FEEL COMFORT, WHETHER IT'S HISTORY AND MEMORIES MADE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I, UM, MY NAME IS ELLA SANCHEZ. I, UH, REPRESENT, UH, ALSO A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION. ALSO A MEMBER OF THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE. AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE ESPERANZA PEACE AND JUSTICE CENTER. AND, UM, I ALSO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT 27 18 RE I GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I, UH, ATTENDED GUADALUPE CHURCH AND ALSO SAN ALFONSO CHURCH. WHEN THE PRIEST FATHER BILL DAVIS WENT OVER THERE, WE ALL MOVED THERE. HE WAS AN AMAZING PRIEST AND HE'S STILL ALIVE. AND WE WERE TRYING TO SEE IF HE COULD COME AND TALK, BUT HE'S GOT DEMENTIA AND IT'S BEEN HARD. I DID TALK TO MY BROTHER WHO SEES HIM ON A WEEKLY BASIS. UM, AND IT'S WHERE I DID MY, UH, CONFIRMATION AS WELL. UM, AND JUST, YOU KNOW, STAYED THERE. LAST YEAR, MY MOM PASSED AWAY AND WE HAD THE MASS SERVICES THERE FOR HER. UM, SO IT MEANS A LOT TO US, THIS BUILDING, UM, BECAUSE IT IS UNIQUE. AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE MORE BEAUTIFUL, THE CHURCH ITSELF IS VERY BEAUTIFUL. AND THEN BEHIND IT IS THIS RECTORY. UM, A FEW YEARS AGO, FATHER RAMON DID REACH OUT TO THE ESPERANZA, SEEING HOW WE WERE TRYING TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND ASKED US TO MOVE IT. WE DIDN'T . IT JUST CAME FROM NOWHERE. AND WE REALLY TRIED TO FIND, WE TALKED TO VINCE MICHAEL, WE TALKED TO O H P. WE TRIED TO SEE IF THERE WAS MONEY SET ASIDE FOR MOVING IT. WE HAD TO LOOK FOR LAND. AND IT WAS JUST CRAZY. SO AFTER A YEAR, I, WE ASKED FOR MORE TIME AND WE WERE TOLD TO GO TO THE ARCHDIOCESE. THE ARCHDIOCESE SAID, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING IT. GO BACK TO THE LOCAL PRIEST. WE WENT BACK THERE AND NEVER HEARD. AND THEN THEY'VE HAD TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT PRIESTS COME BACK AND FORTH. I MEAN, GO THROUGH. SO NOTHING, WE NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN. AND THEN LAST YEAR, UH, WE STARTED GETTING CALLS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING, THERE, THERE'S A DEMOLITION CREW OUT THERE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING. THAT'S WHEN WE TALKED TO HP AND APPARENTLY THERE WAS A DEMOLITION ORDER, BUT IT WAS INCOMPLETE. SO THAT'S WHEN WE DID SUBMIT PAPERWORK AND DID RESEARCH. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DID RESEARCH. EVEN ONE OF YOUR EX UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JEAN MORALES, WHO WASN'T WITH YOU VERY LONG, BUT HE WAS JUST [00:40:01] ENTERING INTO SAN ANTONIO. AND SO SOME OF THIS HISTORY, IF YOU HAVEN'T READ, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UM, WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IN ADDITION TO HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT PERSONALLY, IS AGAIN, THAT IT IS UNIQUE. IT, UM, I'M SORRY, . WE ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE ALSO MET WITH RUBEN IN JOSEA, ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE THIS SPRING, UH, SEVERAL TIMES. AND THEY NEVER SAID YAY OR NAY. THEY JUST KIND OF DIDN'T WANT, JUST KEPT HANDS OFF. SO WE WERE SURPRISED THAT THIS THURSDAY THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSON WAS SAYING, WE, WE WANT IT. WE DON'T WANT IT. IT'S GONNA COME DOWN. AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CARRYING WHAT THE H D R C SAYS, WE'RE GONNA GO BEFORE THE CITY MANAGER AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT COME DOWN. SO IT, IT WAS EVEN NOT PAYING ATTENTION OR RESPECTING THE PROCESS, REGARDLESS, UH, WE'RE HERE. WE WANTED TO AGAIN, REMIND YOU OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF CHARLES GRABNER GERMAN BUSINESSMAN WHO GAVE THIS BUILD LAND IN 1925 WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS OF 90 DAYS. YOU GOTTA BUILD THAT, BUILD THE, THE CHURCH, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD A RECTORY. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BUILD A, A A SCHOOL. AND THEY DID, UM, AGAIN, A MISSION REVIVAL CHURCH. UH, AND THEN THE RECTORY BUILT PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. UH, FAST FORWARD, WE COULDN'T FIND A LOT OF INFORMATION WITHIN THE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS, BUT WE DID FIND THAT SONYA, THE SAN ANTONIO, UM, YOUTH WAR ON POVERTY INITIATIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WENT. THAT'S WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE SIGNED UP. AND THEN WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE WERE GETTING PAID MORE THE, UH, THAN THEIR PARENTS, THEN THEY OPENED IT UP AND STARTED INCLUDING ADULTS TO ALSO RECEIVE SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT WAS COMING DURING THIS WAR ON POVERTY. FATHER YATA WAS FIRST ARCHBISHOP OF FOLK POLISH DESCENT. UM, ARCHITECTURALLY, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, NATIONAL FOLK. I HOUSE FAMILY STYLE WITH GREEK REVIVAL DETAILING. AGAIN, WE'VE LOST SOME OF THE DETAILING IT SEEMS LIKE. AGAIN, THEY CAME IN AND STARTED TAKING ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PIECES THAT WHOEVER THAT PERSON WAS, BUT IT WAS SOMEBODY WITH THE DEMOLITION CREW. UM, AND, UH, BA BA BABA. I'M JUST TRYING TO SKIP THROUGH QUICKLY BECAUSE PROBABLY YOU'VE READ MOST OF IT. UH, BUT THIS, UH, THIS BUILDING ALSO TAKES INSPIRATION FROM THE SAN ANTONIO MISSIONS, THE SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL TO, BUT BLEND ELEMENTS OF MISSION AND SPANISH REVIVAL WITH THE STUCCO CLAD AND DEEP SET WINDOWS STAINED GLASS. WELL, THAT'S ACTUALLY SANON CHURCH. SO , WE BELIEVE THAT THIS BUILDING IS THAT HA YOU KNOW, HAS CRI FITS INTO AT LEAST THREE OF THE CRITERIA, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE IDENTIFIED MORE. IT IS, IS A VALUE AS A VISIBLE AND ARCHEOLOGICAL REMINDER OF THE CULTURAL HERITAGE OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR ITS CONTRIBUTIONS TO SPIRITUAL, CULTURAL, AND SOCIAL WELLBEING OF SAN ANTONIO'S WEST SIDE WORKING CLASS COMMUNITY, INCLUDING ITS SERVICE AS A YOUTH CENTER UNDER THE WAR ON POVERTY. ITS IDENTIFICATION WITH A PERSON OR PERSONS. WE DID MENTION CHARLES GRABNER. THERE'S ALSO ARCHBISHOP, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK FRENCH AND FATHER YHA ALONG WITH THE MANY PRIESTS AND, AND NUNS WHO HAVE, WHOSE STORIES HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD. BUT YOU'RE HEARING AT LEAST OF FATHER BILL DAVIS. UM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN, UH, THERE'S THE DIS IT'S THE DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTIC OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE VALUABLE FOR THE STUDY OF THE PERIOD, THE AMERICAN FOLK VERNACULAR. AND THEN I THINK THE, UM, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY IS ALSO BRINGING UP ANOTHER ELEMENT OF IT. UM, COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE, I THINK IS WHAT THEY MENTIONED. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S UNIQUE. IT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING AND A IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ONLY HAD NOT ONLY ONE STORY HOMES, BUT LITTLE FOUR AND 500, YOU KNOW, 600 SQUARE FEET. SO THIS LIKE STANDS OUT OUT OF NOWHERE. AND, AND SO, AND IT IS ON A CORNER OF, OF, UH, CHIHUAHUA AND ROCIO. UM, SO EVERYBODY SAW THAT. WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN IMAGE THERE THAT SHOWS A, A MURAL AND THAT IS A VERY DISTINCT MURAL. IT HAS AN EXPRESSION OF CHILDREN'S ARTWORK THAT DISCUSSES GOOD AND EVIL, RIGHT? SO ARE WE GONNA BE BAD DRUG DEALERS OR ARE WE GONNA BE LIKE THE VI GUADALUPE KIND OF THE IMAGE THAT WE SEE THERE? YEAH. UM, SO, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS THAT THE SAN A FRANCIS CHURCH LEADERS AND COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THE COMMUNITY CANNOT PAY FOR REHABILITATION OF THIS BUILDING. AND WHAT WE WANT TO SAY TO THE CHURCH LEADERS, TO THE ARCHBISHOP, TO EVERYONE, UH, IN [00:45:01] THIS CITY THAT WE WISH TO OFFER HELP AND SUPPORT TO FIND MONEY WAYS TO RAISE FUNDS. SO IT'S NOT JUST ON THEM, RIGHT? HOW CAN WE DO THIS TOGETHER? YOU KNOW, WHILE WE WERE AT THE SITE, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY REMINDED THEM THAT THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, GRANT APPLICATION DUE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, AND IF NOT THIS YEAR, THEN APPLY AGAIN NEXT YEAR. WE LEARNED ABOUT THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THAT THEY HAVE A SACRED, UH, SPACES GRANT AS WELL. UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE SIT AND TALK TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY? ARE THERE OTHER SORT OF, UM, CREDITS AND OF COURSE, IF IT'S DESIGNATED HISTORIC, THEY CAN GO BEFORE THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION AND GET UP TO 20% OF OF FUNDS, RIGHT? UH, REIMBURSED, UM, THE ESPERANZA, THE W P A AND THE HISTORIC WEBSITE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION HAVE SUCCEEDED IN FINDING REHABILITATION FUNDS TO RESTORE LAMA'S NIGHTCLUB. IT'S TAKEN A WHILE, BUT IT'S NOW STARTING. I HOPE YOU PASSED BY IT ON ZAMORA OFF OF RE IT'S LOOKING BEAUTIFUL CADO. AT 1310 GUADALUPE CAME BEFORE YOU ALL, AND IT WAS VERY CONTENTIOUS OF THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT NOW IT OFFICES UTSA'S WEST SIDE HEADQUARTERS. AND WE MET WITH THE MAYOR AT THAT TIME, JULIAN CASTRO, AND HE SAID, GIVE HIM $500,000. IT DIDN'T COME TO US. IT WENT TO THE ORGANIZATION. AND NOW AGAIN, IT'S SO MUCH EARNED INCOME. AND THEN THE BAS, CILLA FOX IS ANOTHER BUILDING ON MARTIN AND SAN SAMOA WAS DESTINED TO BE KNOCKED DOWN AND PUT A DOLLAR STORE. AND WE FOUGHT THAT OUT. AND NOW THERE'S MAJOR MONIES THAT ARE GONNA COME TO IT. SO I THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY IF WE JUST WORK TOGETHER. AND THAT'S WHAT I HOPE, UM, CHURCH LEADERS ARE LISTENING TO. FINALLY, THE BIGGEST PAIN FOR ME AND FOR OTHERS WHO GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT AS WE'VE BEEN, WE WERE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY THE DEMOLITION OF OUR ORIGINAL HOMES THAT WERE BUILT FROM IN THE 1920S THROUGH THE 1950S URBAN RENEWAL POLICY AND MODEL CITIES FUNDING TARGETED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE 1970S. I WAS IN 10 OR 11 YEARS OLD, AND I SAW MY WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD DISAPPEAR. ALL MY NEIGHBORS DISAPPEAR. AND I WENT DOWN TO COUNT TODAY FROM COLIMA STREET SOUTH TO ALGO STREET, FROM SAN JACINTO STREET EAST TO ZAMORA. AND I COUNTED 688 STRUCTURES THAT CAME DOWN IN THE 1970S. ONLY 25 OF THOSE HOMES THAT I FOUND, INCLUDING THIS ONE, ARE HISTORIC. THAT'S 4% OF THOSE 688. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'VE GOT. AND I THINK IT CAN'T JUST BE THE MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GET TO KEEP THOSE BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURES THAT WE JUST SAW EARLIER ON. WE SHOULD ALSO DESERVE THE SAME RESPECT TO PRESERVE OUR COMMUNITY. SO I HOPE, UM, THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS RECTORY AND GRAS FOR YOUR TIME. AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK WITH THE, THE PRIESTS, THE, THE ARCHBISHOP, WHOEVER, JUST AS THEY RETURN OUR PHONE CALLS. GRACIAS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER HERE? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UH, MY NAME IS LARRY SALAS. I AM A, I AM THE BUILDING CHAIRMAN FOR ST. ALFONSO PARISH LAW. LONG, I'VE BEEN AT THAT PARISH, UM, ALL MY LIFE, ACTIVE EVERY WEEK THERE, NOT BOUNCING AROUND. MY HEART IS IN THIS PARISH, 100%. AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. UM, WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE COMMUNITY, THE PARISH MEMBERS THAT SUPPORT THE PARISH FINANCIALLY. AND WE WOULD, WE COME TO AN OUT, UH, AN OUTCOME OF ABOUT 90, 99 0.2% OF THE PARISH ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH RAISING THIS BUILDING AND PUTTING A SMALL HALL FOR FELLOWSHIP. UM, WE KNOW THAT THIS BUILDING SERVED AS A RECTORY, A RESIDENCE ONLY, AND AN OFFICE. THERE HAS NEVER EVER BEEN ANY TYPE OF FELLOWSHIP MEETINGS HELD IN THERE BECAUSE A RECTORY FOR ITS PURPOSE IS TO HOUSE PRIESTS AND PRIEST ALONE. UH, WE, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT RECTORY IS. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF A RECTORY. SO, UM, WE, WE NEED TO FACILITATE THE ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PARISH, UH, CATTYCORNER TO THIS BUILDING ON ROCIO. UH, [00:50:01] WE HAVE OUR PARISH HALL. IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN. IT'S AN OLD BUILDING, SO IT, IT, SINCE IT'S GRANDFATHERED, UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET THE A D A REQUIREMENTS. WE NEED SOMETHING THAT IS A D A FOR THE ELDERLY AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE, ARE, UM, DISABLED IN OUR PARISH. WE DO HAVE AN A D A RESTROOM INSIDE OUR CHURCH. BUT WHEN WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP, THIS IS DETERRING US RIGHT NOW. AND WITH C O V I D, WE HAVE BEEN STRUCK, UH, STRUCK IN DOWN, UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FINANCIAL IMPACTS BECAUSE OF COURSE ATTENDANCE HAS DWINDLED DOWN. UM, AND OUR COLLECTIONS ARE NOT THE SAME. SO THIS IS A HARDSHIP FOR US. AND WE ARE, WE HAVE POLICE REPORTS NOW THAT, UM, IT'S, WE HAVE DRUG GAGS COMING IN, UM, JOHNS ET CETERA. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE OF WORSHIP. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS GOING ON. WE NEED TO RAISE THE BUILDING. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THAT SUSTAINS THIS FINANCIALLY. AND, UM, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO EACH AND EVERY COMMISSIONER THAT ARE APPOINTED HERE, UM, WE ALSO THINK THAT OUR RIGHTS, UH, IN REGARDS TO, UH, HOUSE BILL 24 96, AND I'M REFERRING TO THE STATE OF TEXAS, THAT, UM, THIS HAS BECOME A DELAY GAME AND WITH NO PUN INTENDED TOWARDS Y'ALL, 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE DOING YOUR JOB, BUT OTHER PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DELAY US FROM THAT. AND WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE PUT A FELLOWSHIP HALL ALREADY. UM, BUT OF COURSE, COVID CAME, EVERYTHING BECAME STAGNANT. WE KNOW, AND WE WORK WITH IT. IT'S AN ACT OF GOD AND WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE'RE GETTING SOME CHALLENGES. BUT ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S, IT'S TO SERVE OUR FELLOW MAN, THE, THE PARISHIONERS THAT ATTEND THAT PARISH AND THE COMMUNITY OF THE WEST SIDE. UM, AND WE OF COURSE, IN THIS HOUSE BILL, WHEN I READ IT, AND I MEAN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO CORRECT ME, BUT IT, THIS HOUSE BILL SAYS, IF THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY AN ORGANIZATION THAT QUALIFIES AS A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION UNDER SECTION 1 1 2 0 TAX CODE, THE MUNICIPALITY MAY DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY AS A LOCAL HISTORIC LAND, UH, MARK ONLY IF THE ORGANIZATION CONSENTS TO DESIGNATION, WE DO NOT DESIGNATE TO THAT. AND, UH, AND, AND FOR THAT PURPOSE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE THAT I CAN TELL YOU, BUT OUR ACTIVE PER PARISHIONERS THAT SUPPORT THIS NEED A FELLOWSHIP HALL, THEY DO NEED IT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY AND THEY ARE 100% THEIR LAST GOALS AND DREAMS ARE TO SEE A FELLOWSHIP HALL THAT THEY CAN GATHER IN WITHOUT HAVING ISSUES AND A D A, UH, AND HAVE IT BE AADA A COMPLIANT AND RESPECTFULLY FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEART. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING AT THIS POINT. GOD BLESS. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WELL, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW IN-PERSON SPEAKERS AND THEN WE WILL PLAY THE VOICEMAILS FOLLOWING THAT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YEAH. UM, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS WHO YIELDED TIME TO OUR APPLICANTS. UM, SO IT'S JUST UP TO YOU IF YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK. MARIANNE HERNANDEZ? YEAH. AND UM, SHERRY CAMPOS, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? OKAY, GO AHEAD. YOU CAN. SORRY. MY SON'S FIFTH GENERATION CENTRAL CATHOLIC. UM, I LIVE IN 3 0 3 SOUTH PINTO. MY NAME'S SHERRY CAMPOS. HELLO THERE. . I LIVE AT 3 0 3 SOUTH PINTO. MY NAME IS SHERRY CAMPOS. I CAME INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT LATE 'CAUSE I WAS DOING SOME OTHER THINGS I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF. BUT THAT CHURCH DIRECTORY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, ACTUALLY, THE BUTTRESS ISN'T ON THE SIDE. IT'S GOT DETAIL IN IT THAT YOU DON'T FIND IN A LOT OF OTHER BUILDINGS. AND FOR IT TO ACTUALLY STILL BE STANDING RIGHT NOW IS AMAZING. , THE WOOD IS USUALLY RECYCLED. A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES THAT ARE NEEDED, THEY'RE OLD HOUSES AND A LOT OF THE WOOD IS OLD WOOD. THOSE THAT OLD WOOD IS VERY GOOD WOOD. WE DON'T, A LOT OF THE WOOD THEY'RE BUILDING HOUSES WITH NOW IS GREENWOOD NEW WOOD. AND IT'S NOT AS STRUCTURAL AS SAYING AS THIS ONE. AND I KNOW HE'S SAYING HE WANTS IT FOR THE ELDERLY, A D A SUCH WISE THAT CAN ACTUALLY, THERE CAN BE THINGS PUT TO THAT BUILDING TO MAKE IT LIKE THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW TO A LOT OF OTHER PLACES. IT JUST HAS A LOT OF MEMORIES AND HISTORY TO IT. JUST LOOKING AT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND I KNOW THERE ARE, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOMELESS AND A LOT OF OTHER DRUG THINGS GOING ON, ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT IF [00:55:01] WE SHOW AS A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GETTING TOGETHER AND REBUILD AND MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL, NOT JUST THE CHURCH ITSELF, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, BUT AS A GROUP, I THINK THAT WOULD SHOW WE, IT MAKES PEOPLE RESPECT WHERE THEY LIVE TO PUT IN A TIME AND ENERGY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT GET TOGETHER. THE ESPERANZA CENTER GETS A LOT OF PEOPLE TOGETHER. THEY COME TOGETHER, THEY GARDENS, THEY, AND WHEN I SEE THOSE PEOPLE GET TOGETHER, THEY FEEL WANTED, THEY FEEL THEY HAVE USE AND THEY FEEL A LOVE FOR WHERE THEY'RE AT. AND IT REALLY IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. I, I'LL LIVE THERE. I DON'T CARE. I MEAN, RIGHT THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE BUTTRESS, THE GAZEBO LIKE AREA RIGHT THERE, I MEAN THOSE, THIS AREA WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AREAS IN SAN ANTONIO THAT WAS BUILT WHEN SAN ANTONIO FIRST STARTED. OOPS, SORRY, WAS THAT MY MOM ? IT'S UH, ONE OF THE FIRST AREAS IN SAN ANTONIO WHEN THEY FIRST PUT, STARTED PUTTING IN THE, THE DISTRICTS OR ANYTHING. WEST SIDE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES. AND THEN KING WILLIAM AREA AND THE FIRST ARCHITECTS THAT ALSO HAD THEIR ONE-STOP PLACE, WHICH WAS THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, THE LOAN COMPANY, EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE AB PHELPS AND ALL THEM. THEY BUILT A LOT OF THESE HOUSES AND THE DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA AND IT, YOU HAVE TO REALLY LOOK AT 'EM. IT'S GOT A LOT OF HISTORY IN IT AND I JUST LOVE IT. AND I'M SORRY I WASN'T REALLY PREPARED, BUT I HAVE DONE A LOT OF BACKGROUND LOOKING INTO A LOT OF THE, THE HISTORY ON THIS AREA AND IT'S, I JUST LOVE IT. SORRY. THAT'S ALL I GOTTA SAY. THANK YOU. HELP SAVE THE BUILDING. OKAY. THERE, THERE YOU GO. ON HEALTH CAN TWO. WHO'S THAT? CAN TWO, UH, ANGEL? YEAH. HI. UM, MY NAME IS ANGEL KTU AND I WAS, UM, BORN AND RAISED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. UM, AND ALTHOUGH I'M NOT A NATIVE FROM THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, MY GRANDFATHER'S FROM THE AREA AND STILL LIVES VERY CLOSE. AND AS A YOUNG CHICANA THAT'S WORKING ON RECOVERING MY FAMILIAL HISTORY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT LY OPPOSES THE DEMOLITION OF THE ALFONSO RECTORY. UM, FIRST THING IS I HAVE A, UM, ABOUT 70 SIGNATURES FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT, UM, OPPOSE THIS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I PRESENT THIS TO YOU GUYS OR, UM, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? YEAH, JUST HAND IT TO AMY THERE. OKAY, HERE YOU GO. UM, BUT THE FIRST REASON THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS, UM, THE IMPORTANCE IN PRESERVING HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURE IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY WITHIN AREAS AND COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN ERASED IN SILENCE. THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN THE SIDE OF AT LEAST A THIRD OF THE DEMOLITIONS IN OUR CITY BETWEEN THE YEARS OF 2015 AND 2020. UM, THIS EXEMPLIFIES THAT THERE IS AN ONGOING EFFORT IN DILUTING THE PARTICULAR STYLE OF HOMES THAT ARE FOUND WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY. UM, AND THE ALFONSO CHURCH RECTORY HOLDS A DISTINCT CHARACTER AND RICH HISTORY THAT SHOULD NOT ONLY BE PRESERVED, BUT CELEBRATED AS OPPOSED TO DESTROYED AND SHAMED. UM, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU ADELA GARCIA. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ADIDA GARCIA AND I REPRESENT THE PASTORAL COUNCIL FOR ST. ALFONSO'S CHURCH. UH, I TOO HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME MEMBER OF THIS PARISH. UM, I WAS BAPTIZED THERE. I BAPTIZED MY DAUGHTER THERE, MARRIED MY HUSBAND THERE. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT WAS, UH, WASN'T MENTIONED EARLIER IS THAT THIS BUILDING WAS, ACCORDING TO OUR, UH, ARCHDIOCESE ARCHIVIST WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE FIFTIES. SO IT'S NOT AS OLD AS OUR ORIGINAL CHURCH WAS. YET WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REMODEL OUR CHURCH. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE PASTORAL COUNCIL HAS A LOT OF ISSUES IN TRYING TO FIND FUNDS. WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO PULL MONEY FROM OUR SAVINGS FROM, UH, EVERY WHICH WAY THAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR DAILY FUNCTIONING OPERATIONS. THIS INCLUDES PAYING THE ELECTRIC BILL, PAYING THE INSURANCE FOR THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING, WHICH IS VERY COSTLY TO US. AND SO OUR COMMUNITY, OUR PAR PARISH COMMUNITY IS VERY SMALL. WE DON'T SEE THESE PEOPLE AT MASS EVERY SUNDAY. WE DON'T SEE THEIR TITHE, WE DON'T SEE THEIR COLLECTION. EVERYBODY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING FUNDS FOR HELPING OR ASSISTING, WHICH IF THAT THEY'VE HAD MANY YEARS TO DO, THERE IS NONE. THEIR POCKETS BECOME SEWN IN. THEY DON'T CONTRIBUTE. AND THE LONGTIME PARISHIONERS THAT DO CONTRIBUTE, THEY GIVE ON A DAILY, WHETHER IT'S A DOLLAR OR EVERY WEEK, A DOLLAR $5. THIS INCLUDES MY PARENTS. THEY GIVE WITH THE INTENT OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING [01:00:01] IN OUR YOUTH BACK IN HERE TO HAVE FELLOWSHIP, TO HAVE MEALS, TO HAVE AN OFFICE SO THAT WE COULD KEEP OUR BAPTISMAL RECORDS IN PLACE AND INTACT. SO AGAIN, I AM FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS NOW AN EYESORE. THESE WINDOWS WERE IMPLODED DURING THE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. THERE IS STILL LEAD IN THE WALLS. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THIS BUILDING, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO THIS. SO, UM, AGAIN, BACK TO WHAT, UH, MR. LARRY SALA SAID. I AM LEANING ON THE HOUSE BILL 24 96 AS A, UH, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION IN BEING EXEMPT FROM A HISTORIC DESIGNATION AS LONG AS WE'RE STILL PARISHIONERS, OF COURSE. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BARBARA WHITT HOWELL. I LOVE THIS PICTURE, THIS PART OF THAT. THANKS. UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WHITT HOWELL AND I'M CURRENTLY THE CHAIR OF THE RIVER ROADS HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE. I'M IN FAVOR OF A, OF A REVIEW FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION. A BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IMPORTANT, AN IMPORTANT WORK OF ARCHITECTURE TO BECOME A LANDMARK. LANDMARKS ARE CREATED BY THOSE WHO ENCOUNTER THEM AFTER THEY'RE BUILT THE ESSENTIAL FEATURE AND HISTORY OF THE PLACE HOLDS. ITS THE CITY'S MEMORIES AND OCCUPIES ITS SOCIAL HISTORY. WE STRIVE TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORY BECAUSE THE CITY WITHOUT O BILL DS IS LIKE A PERSON WITHOUT A MEMORY, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE. UNFORTUNATELY FOR FATHER BILL DAVIS. OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT TELLS, HELPS TO TELL THAT STORY. WE PRESERVE TO PROTECT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE, OUR PRIDE OF PLACE, AND OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY WE PRESERVE SO THAT WE CAN PASS ON TO FUTURE GENERATION SAN ANTONIO'S RICH PAST. BASED ON THE FINDINGS, SANES CATHOLIC CHURCH DEFINITELY MEETS OVER THREE OF THE CRITERIA TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LETICIA SANCHEZ. HI, MY NAME IS LETICIA SANCHEZ AND I'M THE CO-CHAIR PERSON. OH, BEFORE I START, UH, MICHAEL MARTINEZ SAID HE WAS GONNA GIVE ME HIS TIME. SO IN CASE I GO OVER, UM, I'M THE CO-CHAIR PERSON OF THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION, AND MY ADDRESS IS 1710 VERA CRUZ. 7 8 2 0 7. UM, JUST A FEW BLOCKS FROM SAN ALFONSO. UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RECTORY OF SAN ALFONSO. I'M ALSO HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MARY MENDOZA, AGE 92. MARY SILVA, AGE 95. JESSE VIDAL, AGE 101. ANOTHER MEMBER WHO ASK THAT I NOT SHARE HIS OR HER NAME OR AGE, THEY ASK THAT I SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF AND ON BEHALF OF A MAJORITY OF THE SENIOR CITIZENS, UH, OF THE CHURCH, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNABLE TO BE HERE TODAY. AND BECAUSE NO ONE FROM THE CHURCH HAS EVER ASKED FOR THEIR OPINION. THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SHARED STORIES OF THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH SANSO CHURCH AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RECTORY FOR THEM, THEIR FAMILIES. AND FOR THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. EACH OF THEM FEELS THAT THEIR FAMILIES HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN EITHER RAISING MONEY TO BUILD THE RECTORY OR FOR ITS UPKEEP, FOLLOWING OUR QUOTES FROM EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. THE RECTORY REPRESENTS THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CHURCH. AND THE CITY LEADERS NEED TO RECOGNIZE THIS AND MAKE IT HISTORIC. JUST BECAUSE A BUILDING IS OLD DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY VALUE. IT'S A TYPE OF BUILDING THAT IS NOT BEING BUILT ANYMORE, ESPECIALLY IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT SHOULD BE LABELED AS HISTORIC BECAUSE IT'S A UNIQUE TYPE OF BUILDING, BUT ALSO BECAUSE SO MANY POSITIVE THINGS FOR OUR COMMUNITY HAPPENED IN THE RECTORY. I WANT TO KNOW WHO IS MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THIS BUILDING BECAUSE I WAS NOT MADE AWARE THAT THE CHURCH WANTED TO DEMOLISH THE RECTORY UNTIL I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE TAKING THINGS FROM INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, LIKE WOOD FLOORS AND DOORKNOBS. AND THEN WHEN THE WINDOWS WERE REMOVED. AND NOW PEOPLE THINK THAT NOTHING CAN BE DONE WITH THE BUILDING. BUT I BELIEVE THIS BUILDING IS HISTORIC AND IT CAN BE SAVED FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH. I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WANT TO SPEAK UP TO SAY WHAT WE THINK. THAT WE THINK THAT THE, UH, RECTORY [01:05:01] HAS A LOT OF HISTORY, UH, HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AND THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE ARE AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA GO AGAINST THE CHURCH. YOU BECOME OLD AND PEOPLE NO LONGER ASK FOR YOUR OPINION. BUT IF THE CHURCH LEADERS WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO ASK ME, I WOULD TELL THEM THAT THIS BUILDING IS HISTORIC AND WE NEED TO KEEP AND HONOR, WE NEED TO KEEP THE RECTORY TO HONOR THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED HARD TO GET IT BUILT. THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE COMMENTS THAT THEY SHARED WITH ME. WE'VE LOST MANY BUILDINGS IN THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE MANY OF THEM ARE NOT RECOGNIZED ARCHITECTURAL STYLES. FOR EXAMPLE, SHOTGUN BUILDINGS. THEY FOR THE LONGEST TIME WERE NOT RECOGNIZED. UM, BUT THE RECTORY OF SANSO CHURCH IS A NATIONAL FOLK EYE HOUSE, FAMILY STYLE STRUCTURE, AND IT DESERVES HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE DESTINATION IN A PART OF THE CITY THAT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT TO OUR CITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL OF OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. OKAY. UM, VOICEMAILS AND JUST, THERE'S QUITE A FEW. I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 30. SO GOOD MORNING. THIS IS FATHER RICHARD ALA. I LIVE AT 1 4 9 1 9 IN JANET CASTLE IN SAN ANTONIO. MY MOTHER WAS BAPTIZED AT ST. ALPFA CHURCH IN 1927, AND THIS IS CONCERNING ITEM NUMBER 11 20 0 4 CHIHUAHUA. I HOPE AND ENCOURAGE NOT TO HAVE THE DEMOLITION OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING. SAN ANTONIO IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORY. MY MOTHER GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SOME GRANDCHILDREN AS WELL, GREW UP IN THE WEST SIDE. PLEASE CONSIDER THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO IN ALL PARTS OF THE CITY, AND I ENCOURAGE THAT THIS BUILDING BE CONSIDERED FOR HISTORIC PURPOSES, WHERE IT IS A PART OF THE STORY OF THE WEST SIDE AND THE STORY OF SAN ANTONIO. I KNOW IT WOULD MAKE MY MOTHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN VERY HAPPY. THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK GOD BLESS YOU. MY NAME IS CHRISTELLE A PUENTE. I LIVE AT 4 31 FUR. I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 11 FOR THE H C R C MEETING TODAY. I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN SAVING OTHER HISTORICAL BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE AND IN DISTRICT FIVE. I'M CURRENTLY A GRADUATE STUDENT S HISTORY, THE PROGRAM WITH A CONCENTRATION OF SAN ANTONIO HISTORY. AS A RESIDENT, AS COMMUNITY HISTORIAN, I'M SAT IN THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP FIGHTING TO SAVE OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES. I HELP SCAN AND PRESERVE A PHOTO THAT FEATURED THE ST. APON RECTORY, I'M GUESSING FROM THE 1930S TO FORTIES THAT SOMEONE WHO GREW UP IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, IT PAINTS TO SEE HOW MUCH WE HAVE LOST OVER TIME OF THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT BY, UM, THE ARCHDIOCESE. FURTHERMORE, I CAN LIST AS REGRESSIVE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE LOST IN THE WEST SIDE, LIKE THE MALT HOUSE OR MORE BROADLY, BUT RELATED TO OUR HISTORY OF THE VIS STRONG BUILDING, WHICH NOW HAS A LARGE BOX APARTMENT COMPLEX AND WHERE MALT HOUSE WAS, IT'S A SEVEN 11. ON THE FLIP SIDE, IN FAVOR OF PRESERVATION OF BUILDINGS ARE ALSO POSITIVE THAT WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH SAVING STRUCTURES, HISTORIC STRUCTURES LIKE ALBANO, WHICH IS NOW A U T S A COMMUNITY OUTREACH CENTER, OR RUBEN'S ICE HOUSE, THAT WILL BE THE NEW ELEMENT SALE THE WEST SIDE. MOREOVER, WHAT IS BEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IS UTILIZING OLD CONSTRUCTION AND RETRO FIGURING IT TO PRESERVE AND ADD OUR COMMUNITY. WE CAN DO THIS AND IT SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY IF WE MUST MOVE FORWARD WITH INEVITABLE GROWTH. ON THE WEST SIDE, WE MUST LISTEN TO COMMUNITY AND RESPECT THEIR MEMORIES AND CULTURE TO PREVENT GENTRIFICATION AND EXPLOITIVE PRACTICES BY DEVELOPERS. I'M OPPOSED TO THE DEMOLITION OF ST. ALFONSO'S RECTORY. GOOD MORNING. I AM ANTONIO CASTANZA AT 24 20 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE, APARTMENT 2 3 0 2, UM, AND I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 11 ON YOUR AGENDA. I AM HERE REPRESENTING OF THE W P A, THAT IS THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE, ADVOCATING FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE TWO STORY RECTORY BUILT IN THE NATIONAL AMERICAN HOPE STYLE WITH GREEK REVIVAL DETAILING AND A TWO STORY REAR EXTENSION AT 2004 CHIHUAHUA. THIS BUILDING IS AN IMPORTANT EXAMPLE OF THE AFFORDABLE BUILDING TYPES OF STRUCTURES IN SAN ANTONIO'S WEST SIDE. SINCE 1925 WHEN SUMMIT ST. ASOS WAS BUILT, THE RECTORY HAS BEEN A VITALLY IMPORTANT STRUCTURE IN THE MEXICAN AMERICAN, MEXICAN WORKING CLASS COMMUNITIES THAT ST. AON SERVES IN THE WEST SIDE WHERE THE MEDIAN INCOME HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN BELOW THE POVERTY [01:10:01] LEVEL. THE RECTORY AT 2004 CHIHUAHUA HAS NOT ONLY BEEN CULTURALLY AND SOCIALLY SIGNIFICANT, BUT ALSO A PLACE OF REFUGE FROM CIVIL WAR IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT AND A MAJOR SOCIAL IMPACT. 2004 CHIHUAHUA WAS ONE OF 18 YOUTH CENTERS OPENED IN 1965 AS PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD YOUTH PROGRAM. WITHIN THE FRAME OF THE WAR ON POVERTY, 962 YOUTHS PARTICIPATED IN THE PROGRAM, WHICH WAS A SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC LIFELINE, AS STATED IN THE STATEMENT OF SIGNIFICANCE QUOTE, NO BUILDINGS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED IN THE WEST SIDE RECOGNIZE OR REPRESENT THE HISTORICAL, CULTURAL, SOCIAL, OR SIGNIFICANCE OF THE 1960S HISTORICAL DESIGNATION OF 2004, CHIHUAHUA WOULD BEGAN TO SEAL FEEL THAT LACUNA UNQUOTE THE W P A ASKED THAT YOU SAVED THIS FINALLY IMPORTANT BUILDING FROM DEMOLITION AND ANCE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 11 2 0 0 4 CHIHUAHUA. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS THE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AT 2 0 0 4 CHIHUAHUA AND BELIEVES IT MEETS AT LEAST THREE OF THE CRITERION FOR DESIGNATION IS THE LANDMARK. THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF SIGNIFICANCE DESCRIBES HOW THE RECTORY IS SIGNIFICANT UNDER THE FIRST CRITERION AS A RESIDENT PRIEST HOME. IT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DAILY FUNCTIONING OF THE ST. ALP FRANCIS PARISH, WHICH PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN COMMUNITY LIFE FOR DECADES. IT MEETS THE THIRD CRITERION DUE TO ITS CONNECTION WITH ARTHUR GRABNER AND BISHOP DRER. IT MEETS CRITERION FIVE BECAUSE IT IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF THE COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE, WHICH WAS BECOMING EXTREMELY POPULAR NATIONWIDE DUE TO THE OPENING OF COLONIAL WILLIAMSBURG THE SAME YEAR, 1936, THAT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED A MERE DECADE AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ADJACENT CHURCH IN THE MISSION REVIVAL STYLE POPULAR IN THE 1920S. THE NEW STRUCTURE FOR THE PARISH EXEMPLIFIED AN EMERGING POPULAR STYLE EVIDENT IN THE SYMMETRICAL FACADE PEI ACCENTUATING THE FRONT DOOR, ORNAMENTAL ATTIC WINDOWS, AND THE OVERALL FORM AND MASSING OF THE BUILDING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. HELLO, MY NAME IS MONICA CRUZ AND I RESIDED 1 68 CHUBBY CHASE, BUT I'M CALLING TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 11 REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE CHURCH RECTORY LOCATED ON 2004 CHIHUAHUA. I'M A POVERTY RESEARCHER AND RECENTLY BEGAN TO ATTEND MASS REGULARLY AT PINAL CONFO AND HAVE NOTICED THE BUILDING BACK OF THE CHURCH. IT IS TRULY AN AMAZING AND HISTORIC BUILDING. I WAS EVEN MORE IMPRESSED WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT THE HISTORIC CONTEXT OF THIS BUILDING, SPECIFICALLY ON THE HISTORY THAT IT WAS ONE OF 18 YOUTH CENTERS THAT OPENED IN 1965 TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR THE SOCIO AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF UNEMPLOYMENT'S WEST SIDE YOUTH UNDER PRESIDENT L BJ'S WAR ON POVERTY INITIATIVE. DOCUMENTARIES ON THE WAR ON POVERTY REGULARLY FEATURES SAN ANTONIO AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT LOCAL CHURCH LEADERS AND RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY DID TO IMPROVE LIVING CONDITIONS OF FAMILIES ON THE WEST SIDE. I BELIEVE THERE ARE NUMEROUS FUNDING SOURCES THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO RESTORE AND PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILDING. OUR REQUEST FOR THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST TO REVIEW THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS BUILDING AND TO PREVENT ITS DEMOLITION. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS LINDO. I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, CASE NUMBER 11, UH, THE 2004 CHIHUAHUA UM, BUILDING. UM, I'M FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I LIVE ON 1812 WEST SUMMIT AVENUE AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF, UM, TRYING TO SAVE THIS, UH, HISTORICAL DISTRICT. UH, I'VE WORKED ON WEST SIDE AND I'VE WORKED WITH TRYING TO HELP, UM, PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE DISTRICT SIDE. IN GENERAL, I'M TIRED OF SEEING ALL OF THESE, UM, HISTORICAL BUILDINGS IN THE WEST SIDE BE DESTROYED. THIS IS MEMORY. IT MEANS SO MUCH TO OUR PEOPLE AND THE SOIL IS MEANT TO BE PRESERVED. UM, WHEN WE STOP COLONIZING LAND, HISTORICALLY EVERYTHING WE ARE IS ALWAYS WHITE, EDUCATIONALLY, POLITICALLY, SOCIALLY. OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS DESERVE TO SEE THE WEST SIDE WE BUILT. WE JUST DESERVE TO PROTECT IT AND PRESERVE IT FOR YEARS TO COME. SO I REALLY ASK THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT TRY TO DEMOLISH THIS HISTORICAL LANDMARK. AND PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET US SAY THIS. THANK YOU. THIS IS TONY GARCIA. I LIVE AT 2 43 EAST WEST EDGE AVENUE IN THE MONTE VISTA HISTORIC DISTRICT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 2004 CHIHUAHUA STREET. I [01:15:01] RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND REQUEST THE COMMISSION SUPPORT IN SAVING THIS STRUCTURE FROM DEMOLITION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. MY NAME IS MARY ANN HERNANDEZ, AND I LIVE AT 1635 PO. C I AM CALLING ON H D R C NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 7 7. THE ADDRESS IS 2 0 0 4 CHIHUAHUA STREET. I AM AGAINST THE RECTORY BEING DEMOLISHED. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH HAVE FOUGHT VERY, VERY HARD TO SAVE THIS CHURCH. WHY NOT DO THE SAME FOR RECTORY? IT WOULD TRULY BE A COMFORT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP THIS CONSTANT, THIS BEACON OF OUR COMMUNITY INTACT. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS, UH, PROFESSOR . I CALLED EARLIER ABOUT THE RECTORY AT SANSO AND PRESERVING IT. THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 11. UH, I AM RESEARCHING THE, THE, UM, THE WAY IN WHICH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RESPONDED TO THE GROWING BARRIO ON THE WEST SIDE IN SAN FSO IS A CRITICAL PIVOTAL POINT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF OTHER PARISHES AND THE BUILDING OF THE RECTORY ON CHIHUAHUA STREET. ITEM NUMBER 11, UH, FACILITATED STATIONING SEVERAL PRIESTS THERE IN THE RECTORY TO HAVE MISSIONS AT ST. TIMOTHY, SAN JUAN AND OTHER PARISHES. THE BUILDING OF THAT RECTORY WAS A PIVOTAL POINT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE PARISHES, UH, ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE. SO PRESERVING IT IS HUGELY IMPORTANT. I'M STUDYING THE, THE RESPONSE TO THE CHURCH, TO THE, TO THE GROWTH OF THE WEST SIDE. AND I HAVE IN FACT, LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK HAVE BEEN IN THE, IN THE ARCHDIOCESE AND ARCHIVES AND ACTUALLY RECORDED THE PROCESS IN WHICH THE FATHER, THE ABATE FATHERS, MADE THE DECISION TO BUILD THAT RECORD. YOU MAY CALL ME BACK AT (210) 872-8761. UH, AGAIN, THIS IS PROFESSOR OSA. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS EMMA HOFFMAN AND I LIVE AT 30 11 WHITETAIL DRIVE. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO BY REFERENCE TO, UH, THE SAINT ASOS, UH, RECTORY, ASKING THAT FOR THE CITY TO PLEASE CONSIDER IT TO BE SAVED. IT IS A VERY HISTORIC BUILDING. UH, IT IS UNIQUE AND STANDS WITH THE HISTORIC AREA OF THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THIS WOULD, THIS IS WHAT MAKES SAN ANTONIO HOPEFULLY UNIQUE BECAUSE OF PRESERVATION OF OUR BUILDINGS, OF OUR MISSIONS, OF, UH, THE AREAS THAT, UH, WERE BUILT BY THE SPANIARDS AND BY THE, UH, NATIVE INDIANS HERE IN OUR CITY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO RESPECT AND TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THESE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS, UH, AND ALSO HOPEFULLY THAT THE CHURCH, THE ARCHDIOCESE ALSO WILL, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF ITS BUILDINGS. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. MY NAME IS JEREMY LANDINE AND I'M A RESIDENT AT 3 0 4 3 WEST HOUSTON STREET. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, CASE NUMBER 2020 2 2 4 9 0 8 IN REGARDS TO THE ADDRESS AT 2 0 0 4 CHIA. IT COME TO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S THE DESIRE OF LEADERSHIP OF THE CHURCH TO DEMOLISH OR, UM, REPLACE THE STRUCTURE THAT SITS BEHIND PFU CATHOLIC CHURCH. UM, WHILE I AM A MEMBER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, UM, AND ATTEND, HAVE ATTENDED MASSES BOTH AT ST. ASOS AND THE OTHER TWO PARISHES THAT ARE CONNECTED, I CANNOT, UM, SHARE GREATER MY DISDAIN FOR THE PLAN TO, UH, DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE. [01:20:01] IT'S SO MUCH MORE THAN A STRUCTURE TO SO MANY PEOPLE. IT IS A PLACE THAT HAS BEEN HERE ON THE WEST SIDE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND DESERVES TO STAY HERE FOR MANY MORE YEARS. THERE ARE SO MANY BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE LOSING THAT HAVE CONTINUOUSLY SHOWN JUST HOW MUCH IT DISREGARDED IN REFERENCE TO THE HISTORY OF THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THIS IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF THAT. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A BUILDING THAT IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND THE PRESERVATION OF SPACES THAT REALLY CREATED WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AS THE WEST SIDE. AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, THESE SPACES ARE NOT JUST TREASURES TO OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE ALSO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SPENT TIME DOING COUNSELING SESSIONS WITH, WITH THEIR CHURCH LEADERSHIP WHERE THEY HAD FAMILY MEMBERS THAT CAME THROUGH, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT LIVED IN THAT SPACE. AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO, TO HOLD THOSE STRUCTURES AND THOSE PLACES NEAR AND DEAR TO US, CLOSE AND PRESERVE THEM IN WAYS THAT REALLY EXEMPLIFY WHAT WE ARE DOING AS A COMMUNITY. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE FIND THEM IN YOUR HEART AND PLEASE REALLY THINK THROUGH THE DECISION TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING, UM, OR TO MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT WOULD HARM THE, THE HISTORIC INTRINSIC VALUE OF THIS SPACE AND THE MEMORIES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MY CELL PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO. THIS IS MARGARET LEEDS. I LIVE AT 3 0 8 KING WILLIAMS, AND I'M CALLING TO URGE YOU TO DECLARE HISTORIC AND PRESERVE THE RECTORY OF THE ST. ALPHONSO CHURCH ON THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. YES, BIANCA MALDONADO 4 5 7 CLEFT DRIVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 FOR THE ADDRESS OF 2004 CHIHUAHUA. I WAS CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION BEFORE THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THIS ADDRESS. I'M THANKFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR INITIATING THIS REQUEST AND HOPE THAT H D R C GIVES ITS, GIVES IT ITS FULL CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT ITS DESIGNATION. I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLICATIONS THAT EXIST WHEN AN OWNER DOES NOT SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE CHURCH AND THE COMMUNITY CAN COME TOGETHER TO PAY HOMAGE TO THE HISTORY ON THE WEST SIDE AND SUPPORT A DESIGNATION FOR THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF MY COMMENTS. MY NAME IS KAYLYN MIRANDA, AND I LIVE AT 10 13 SOUTH SAN JACINTO STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 7. I'M SPEAKING ON ITEM 11. I'M ONE OF THE AMAZON TENANTS THAT LED THE CHARGE TO SAVE THE AMAZON COURT FROM DEMOLITION. I AM ASKING FOR PRESERVATION AND DESIGNATION OF 2004 CHIHUAHUA THROUGHOUT HISTORY, NOT JUST SINCE THE 1920S WHEN THIS WAS BUILT, BUT FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS THE CHURCH HAS BEEN KNOWN AS A PLACE OF SANCTUARY. SANCTUARY CAN BE DEFINED DIFFERENTLY FOR SOME THE AREA AROUND THE ALTAR THAT IS BELIEVED TO HOLD THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE OF GOD. BUT WHEN USED AS A VERB SANCTUARY DEFINED AS PROTECTION OR A SAFE PLACE, AND NOT JUST THE AREA AROUND THE ALTAR, BUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BELONGING TO THE CHURCH. THE TOWN PREDATES CHRISTIANITY GOING BACK AS FAR AS GREEK AND ROMAN TEMPLES, BUT IN THE FOURTH CENTURY BECAME CHURCH WALLS. THOSE SEEKING SANCTUARY ONLY NEED CLAIMANT. THESE BUILDINGS ARE NOT FALLING DOWN, NOT A DANGER TO THE PUBLIC. THEY DESERVE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE IN THE HISTORIC FUNCTION AS SHELTER FROM THE STORM OF HOMELESSNESS, AS PROTECTION FROM THE BEAST OF POVERTY, FROM CRUELTY FED BY GREED, VANITY, AND PRIDE OF RULING CLASSES. THE COMMUNITY IS COLLECTIVELY CALLING SANCTUARY FOR OUR POOR. WILL THE CHURCH AND THIS BOARD HEAR OUR CALL? THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS RAY MORALES AT THREE 10 PA 72 0 7. I'M CALLING REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, H D R C K NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 7 7. I'M REQUESTING THAT [01:25:01] THIS COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE ON THE STATE OF JUAN'S ON 2004 CHIHUAHUA STREET. THIS ULAR STRUCTURE BUILT CIRCLE 1925 IS ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING VISIBLE REMINDERS OF A HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT IN GROWTH. THE SAN ANTONIO'S WEST SIDE, IT SERVED AS A RESIDENT IN CAZO, WHICH IN 1963 WAS ONE OF THE LARGEST PARISHES IN SAN ANTONIO. THE REFEREE HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO AND BUILT DURING THE CITY OF EXPANSION GROWTH POPULATION OF PEOPLE LED MEXICO WARS 18 60, 19, 20. THIS STRUCTURE IS NOT A MAJOR ASSET FOR THE PARISH. IT'S EVIDENCED BY THEIR INTENT TO DEMOLISH IT WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS PLANS TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE. SO ADAPTING AND REPURPOSING THE STRUCTURE TO NOT IMPORT AN ECONOMIC BURDEN. IT WOULD ALSO BE A MORE ECONOMICALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY TO TAKE. ATION STRUCTURE HAS AMPLE COMMUNITY SUPPORT BOTH WITHIN THE PARISH MEMBERS AND THE GENERAL COMMUNITY OF THE WEST SIDE. A DISCUSSION THAT HAS NOT YET HAPPENED BETWEEN THE ORIENTATION AND ITS OWN PARISH COMMUNITY, OWN PARISH NEEDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HI, I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE ST. ALFONSO, UM, PARISH HALL, OR THE PARISH HOUSE IT USED TO BELONG TO. THE CREEK IS GETTING KNOCKED DOWN. I BELIEVE THAT PARISH, UM, HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. I AM PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND I KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SALVAGED. THIS ORGANIZATION THAT'S TRYING TO SALVAGE IT IS DOING RIGHT BY PROCEEDING TO, TO TRY TO, TO RE REDO IT, REMODEL IT, I DON'T KNOW, SALVAGE IT BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORICAL MARKER. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF SOMEONE WILL PAY ATTENTION TO THESE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO SALVAGE THAT BEAUTIFUL HOME. IT IS JUST VERY PRETTY. I HATE FOR IT TO BE KNOCKED DOWN. IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED. IT'S OUR HERITAGE, IT'S OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE NEED TO SALVAGE BUILDINGS SUCH AS SUCH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. MY NAME IS LAURA EVAAS AND I LIVE AT 6 3 2 2 LAKE VICTORIA STREET IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. I'M ALSO WORKING ON THE WEST SIDE AND I'M CALLING REGARDING ITEM 11. I BELIEVE THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE WEST SIDE SHOULD ALSO BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC AND THAT THE RECTORY SHOULD BE SAVED. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE WHAT REMAINS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DISAPPEAR, AND I'D LIKE TO SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRISTELLE A PUENTE. I LIVE AT 4 31 FUR. I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 11 FOR THE H C R C MEETING TODAY, I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN SAVING OTHER HISTORICAL BUILDINGS ON THE WEST SIDE AND IN DISTRICT FIVE. I'M CURRENTLY A GRADUATE STUDENT S HISTORY, THE PROGRAM WITH A CONCENTRATION IN SAN ANTONIO HISTORY. AS A RESIDENT, AS C HISTORIAN, I'M SADDENED THAT WE HAVE TOID TO SAVE OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES. I HELP SCAN AND PRESERVE A PHOTO THAT FEATURED THE PON RECTORY, I'M GUESSING FROM THE 1930S TO FORTIES AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP IN THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND PAINTS TO SEE HOW MUCH WE HAVE LOST OVER TIME OF THOSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT BY, UM, THE ARCHDIOCESE. FURTHERMORE, I CAN LIST AS REGRESSIVE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE LOST ON THE WEST SIDE, LIKE THE MT HOUSE OR MORE BROADLY, BUT RELATED TO OUR HISTORY OF THE BUILDING, WHICH NOW HAS A LARGE BOX APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND WHERE MALT HOUSE WAS IS A SEVEN 11. ON THE FLIP SIDE, IN FAVOR OF PRESERVATION OF BUILDINGS ARE ALSO POSITIVE THAT WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH SAVING STRUCTURES, HISTORIC STRUCTURES LIKE ALDO, WHICH IS NOW A UT S A COMMUNITY OUTREACH CENTER, OR RUBEN'S ICE HOUSE, THAT WILL BE THE NEW ELEMENT SALE THE WEST SIDE. MOREOVER, WHAT IS BEST FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IS UTILIZING OLD CONSTRUCTION AND RETRO BRINGING IT TO PRESERVE AND ADD OUR COMMUNITY. WE CAN DO THIS AND IT SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY IF WE MUST MOVE FORWARD WITH INEVITABLE GROWTH. ON THE WEST SIDE, WE MUST LISTEN TO COMMUNITY AND RESPECT TO THEIR MEMORIES AND CULTURE TO PREVENT GENTRIFICATION AND EXPLOITIVE PRACTICES BY DEVELOPERS. I'M OPPOSED TO THE DEMOLITION OF ST. ALFONSO'S RECTORY. HELLO, MY NAME IS RIVERA. I AM A DISTRICT, UH, RESIDENT OF DISTRICT TWO, AND I AM CALLING TODAY TO COMMENT ON ITEM 11. UM, IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, CHIHUAHUA, SAN RECTORY, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, THIS BUILDING SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC. I FIND IT VERY UNACCEPTABLE THAT MANY, UM, BUILDINGS THAT ARE HISTORIC AND SHARE CULTURAL INTEGRITY WITH THE WEST SIDE, UM, ARE OFTEN NOT DESIGNATED AS SUCH DUE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, CLASSES AND RACES, UH, BELIEFS. SO, UM, THESE BUILDINGS SHOULD DEFINITELY BE HELD AS HISTORIC BECAUSE THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT MAKE SAN [01:30:01] ANTONIO THE CULTURAL ICON THAT IT IS. AND SAN ANTONIO WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE THIS CULTURAL HUB OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CULTURE, UM, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE WEST SIDE AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED THERE. THIS, UM, THIS LOCATION HAS SUCH A HISTORICAL IMPACT AND, UM, JUST A PERSONAL IMPACT ON MANY PEOPLE IN THE WEST SIDE. AND THIS BUILDING SHOULD DEFINITELY BE DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC. AND IF IT'S NOT DONE, IT'S BECAUSE OF BIASES AGAINST THOSE IN THE WEST SIDE. SO I ASK THAT THIS GETS SUPPORTED AND BE PASSED AS A HISTORIC BUILDING. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS KETA RODRIGUEZ. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER OF 1332 BUENA VISTA. UM, I AM CALLING TO LEAVE A MESSAGE REGARDING ITEM 11 2004 CHIHUAHUA. UM, I ASK THAT THE, THAT THE DIRECTORY AT SAN CHURCH NOT BE DEMOLISHED. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES IS CONTINUED EROSION OF OUR CULTURE AND OUR HISTORY. UM, WE SEE IT HAPPENING ON, IN PARTS OF TOWN WHERE PEOPLE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE A VOICE. UM, THIS, THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE DESIGNATED TO HISTORIC. IT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, UM, JUST LIKE OTHER PARTS OF TOWN. IT DESERVES THE SAME LEVEL OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT. UM, RESPECT TO OUR COMMUNITY. I ASK THAT WE REALLY WORK HARD TO LOOK AT THE MORE SUSTAINABLE WAYS OF IMPROVING PROPERTIES. UM, AND THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, NOT DEMOLISHING, BUT INSTEAD HELPING OR ASSISTING TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SAFE STRUCTURES. BUT THIS PARTICULAR ART, UH, PARISH IS A INTEGRAL PART OF THE WEST SIDE. IT'S PART OF OUR HISTORY, IT'S PART OF OUR CULTURE. UM, AND I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE, UM, UH, VOTE NO AND VOTE AGAINST DEMOLITION. THANK YOU. HI, I AM CALLING, UH, REGARDING, UM, ITEM 11. UM, AND REGARDING THE PARISH, I WAS, UM, CALLING IN SUPPORT TO, UM, DESIGNATE THAT CHURCH AT HISTORIC SITE, UM, TODAY, AND THAT WAS INSPIRED BY THE ACT THAT THEY, UM, DECLARED ONE OF THE, THE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE BEEN SEGREGATED IN SOUTH TEXAS. UH, ALSO HISTORIC MARKER. AND, AND I FEEL THAT THOSE PROTECTIONS SHOULD ALSO BE EXTENDED TO CHURCHES WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REALLY LIKE THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAME TOGETHER AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST PRAY WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT YOU KNOW, HAD COMMUNITY GATHERINGS AND, AND HAD THEIR FIRST BAPTISM. AND THERE'S SO MANY MEMORIES TIED TO, UM, THOSE PLACES THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE A, UH, A GOOD CONNECTION, A GOOD MEMORY WITH THAT SPACE, IT SHOULD BE VALIDATED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A VOTE FOR IT TO BE A CONSIDERED HISTORIC. UM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE, THE, THE PRIESTS IN, IN THE MOMENT ARE, ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE SAYING, OR IF THEY WANNA MOVE TO ANOTHER SPACE, IT'S FINE, BUT SOMEHOW THAT COULD BE RESTORED FOR, FOR COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO, UH, PRESERVE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HELLO, MY NAME IS ALEXIS SALAZAR. UH, ADDRESS IS 9 35 REBA. UM, I'M CALLING FOR CASE NUMBER 11 ABOUT THE 2004 CHIHUAHUA LOCATION. UM, I GUESS I'M CALLING TO JUST SAY MY PEACE ON, UM, ON DESTROYING HISTORICAL BUILDINGS OR DESTROYING BUILDINGS IN GENERAL ON THE WEST SIDE. I GREW UP THERE. I LIVE THERE NOW TO THIS DAY AND, UM, IT GENUINELY DOES BREAK MY HEART. I THINK IT BREAKS THE HEART OF EVERYONE WHO GREW UP ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN TO KNOW THAT THESE PLACES, UM, WILL BE GONE. UM, THEY HOLD A LOT OF MEMORIES, THEY HOLD A LOT OF CULTURE FOR A LOT OF US, AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'RE EXTREMELY TIRED OF SEEING THAT CULTURE AND THOSE MEMORIES BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US. SO I AM CALLING ON BEHALF AND TO BE, FOR THIS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE EVER ASKED FOR. UM, SO I SINCERELY HOPE THAT, THAT THIS LOCATION IN PARTICULAR AS LONG, UH, ALONG [01:35:01] WITH ANY OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, ARE, ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND STAY WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY DESERVE TO BE. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS BERNARD SANCHEZ. UM, MY RESIDENCE 4 2 2 DRESDEN DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 1 3. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM 11, UH, RECTORY AT 2 0 0 4 2 CHIHUAHUA STREET. IT'S THE OLD RECTORY FOR SAN ALFONSO CHURCH. UM, I GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WENT TO SERVICES THERE FOR MANY YEARS, AND, UM, I'M BASICALLY CONCERNED BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY TWO STORY WOODEN BUILDING IN THAT AREA THAT'S LEFT, UM, STANDING. UM, I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT TEARING IT DOWN WILL TEAR AND TAKE AWAY, UM, SOME OF OUR HISTORY. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THAT'S LEFT IN THE WEST SIDE. UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER VOTING AGAINST THE DEMOLITION OF THIS BUILDING, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I KNOW A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL THE SAME WAY. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, GIMME A CALL. MY NAME IS JAVIER SANZ. I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 11. I AM A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO'S WEST SIDE. I GREW UP ABOUT FIVE BLOCKS FROM SANTOS CHURCH. MY WIFE AND I STILL LIVE ON THE WEST SIDE AT 30 11 WEST HOUSTON STREET. I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH SAN CHURCH. I WAS A PARISH MEMBER FROM THE 1970S THROUGH THE 1980S. I RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT THERE IS TWO TEXAS RECTORY. IN MY OPINION, THERE ARE TWO MAIN STRUCTURES BEING DOWN ON THE SIDE. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT'S ATORY PURPOSE, AN OLDER BUILDING, AND TO TEAR DOWN, THERE ARE SIX TECHNICAL REASONS TO SAVE OLD BUILDINGS INTRINSIC VALUE. WHEN YOU TEAR DOWN AN OLD BUILDING, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S BEING DESTROYED. NEW BUSINESSES PREFER OLD BUILDINGS. OLD BUILDINGS ATTRACT PEOPLE. ALL BUILDINGS ARE REMINDERS OF A CITY'S CULTURE AND COMPLEXITY. AND REGRET ONLY GOES ONE WAY. THAT PARTICULAR AREA WHERE THE CHURCH RECTORY IS LOCATED IS NEXT TO A HISTORIC SCHOOL. DAVID BARKERY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, CHURCH, ANOTHER HISTORIC WEST SIDE. SACRED STATE IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE, THESE STRUCTURES COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER WITH BEAUTY AND A PERMANENCE FOR AN IMPORTANT AND ESSENTIAL AREA OF SAN ANTONIO, OUR HISTORIC WEST SIDE. I APPRECIATE YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY REQUEST TO SAN THANK YOU AGAIN. I'M CYNTHIA SPIELMAN. I LIVE AT 900 WESTWOOD LAWNS. THE WEST SIDE IS A UNIQUE PLACE, AND ITS HISTORY IS SO IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO THOSE OF US WHO ARE MEXICAN AMERICAN, WHOSE FAMILIES CAME AND SETTLED AND BUILT A LIFE ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT FOR ALL OF SAN ANTONIO WITH WE LOOK TO TELL THE COMPLETE STORY OF OUR CITY'S HISTORY. IT'S A SHAME THAT SO MANY SITES HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED. CHURCHES IN PARTICULAR PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE ON THE WEST SIDE AND THE RECTORY OF SAN OFFICE CHURCH IN PARTICULAR'S TESTAMENT TO OUR ROOTS AND HISTORY. PLEASE VOTE TO SAVE THE RECTORY AND HELP US PRESERVE THE IMPORTANT SITES ON THE WEST SIDE. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS LANTA SULLIVAN. MY ADDRESS IS ONE 20 ANASTASIA. AND, UM, I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 11. UM, THAT IS, UH, THE SAN ALFONSO CHURCH AT 2004 CHIHUAHUA, AND I WOULD LIKE IT TO, UM, PLEASE BE CONSIDERED FOR HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UM, ALONG WITH OTHER WEST SIDE HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS AMELIA VALDEZ AND I AM A CO-CHAIR FOR THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENT ASSOCIATION. AND I'M MEMBER OF THE W THE WEST SIDE PRESERVATION ALLIANCE. I RESIDE AT 1635 SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 7. AND I'M CALLING ON ITEM NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 7 7 2 0 0 4 CHIHUAHUA STREET, SANSO CHURCH RECTORY. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. MY ANCESTORS ARRIVED IN THIS HISTORIC PATIO IN THE 1920S. WE SHOPPED IN LOCAL JICA OWNED [01:40:01] BY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE MARY'S BEAUTY SHOP, GARCIA, MEXICAN RESTAURANT, S JUAN GOLDMANS, MECHANICS, ALL FAMILY OWNED AND OF COURSE, REC. WE HAVE THREE GENERATIONS OF BAPTISMALS, FIRST CONVENIENCE AND CONFIRMATION AND, AND WEDDINGS. AND RECENTLY MY NIECE HAD A QUINCEANERA AT THE CHURCH. UH, THE FAMILY DONATED $300. I VOLUNTEERED TO BE IN THE, UH, THE TEACHERS, UM, T C D CLASS TO TEACH KIDS FOR TWO YEARS. JOINED THE CHOIR WITH MY SISTER NATALIE WITH THREE AND A GUITAR PERSON ASIDE THREE COMMITTEES. DIRECTORY IS ONE OF THE FEWEST PLACES THAT HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE. PLEASE HELP SIT, SAVE, SANSO RECTORY. WE'RE LOSING ALL OUR BUILDINGS IN THE WEST SIDE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BYE. HI THERE. UM, IT'S COUNTY DUREN, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION, CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ITEM 11 TO SUPPORT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE SAINT A SAN RECTORY. THANKS. HI, MY NAME IS STEVE STE, 1 0 5 RENO STREET. I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 11, 2004 CHIHUAHUA. UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THERE'S, UH, RELUCTANCE TO, UM, TO DECLARE, UH, HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR, UM, AN OWNER THAT'S NOT REQUESTING IT. BUT IN THIS CASE, I, I FEEL THAT THIS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE A, UM, A VERY PUBLIC, UM, OWNER AND OWNER WHO'S, UM, TAKEN DONATIONS AND INVITED THE COMMUNITY INTO THEIR FACILITIES AND PROVIDED SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE'S OWNERSHIP, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY IN THIS TOO. UH, I, I THINK THAT IT, IT IS FAIR FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A SAY WHEN, WHEN THEY'VE DONATED AND ENGAGED IN THIS ORGANIZATION THAT'S AN OWNER OF THIS BUILDING. AND I THINK IT IS FAIR TO, UM, TO, TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THEIR SAY IN THIS. SO PLEASE, PLEASE REALLY CONSIDER THE TRUE SIGNIFICANCE, THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO THE WEST SIDE COMMUNITY FOR THIS BUILDING. THANK YOU. HI, THIS IS LINDSAY WICK. MY WORK ADDRESS IS ONE CAMINO SANTA MARIA AT ST. MARY'S UNIVERSITY. I AM CALLING ABOUT 2004 CHIHUAHUA STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 7 7. I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE SITE. UM, IT'S PLAYED AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT SITE IN THE, UM, 1960S ACTIVISM IN THE COMMUNITY. I SUPPORT THEIR REQUEST FOR, UM, DESIGNATING THIS WITH HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. THANK YOU. BYE. I THINK THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE. OKAY, BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YEAH. FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION, I GUESS, UM, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THOUGH BEFOREHAND. CAN I ASK QUESTIONS OR DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR QUESTIONS? YES, CHAIRMAN, I CAN PROVIDE A MOTION IF, OKAY, LET'S GO. ALRIGHT, THEN I, THEN I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THIS CASE AND PASS IT OFF TO STAFF PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS LAW THAT REQUIRES THEM TO APPROVE THE, I MEAN, WE CAN'T VOTE. THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION COMES. WE CAN'T VOTE ON THIS, CAN WE? NO. THAT, THAT'S NOT TRUE. UM, DOES IT, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS NOT A DESIGNATION REQUEST AND THAT IS WHAT THE STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW WITHOUT A RELIGIOUS ENTITY'S APPROVAL. THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, WHICH, UM, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PROCESS THAT REQUEST JUST LIKE NO MATTER WHO THE OWNER IS. OKAY. AND SO IT, IT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO APPROVE THE FINDING. OKAY. WELL, I GUESS BEFORE THAT, LET ME ASK JUST PROCEDURALLY QUESTIONS, RIGHT? SO WE, WE DO HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, VOTE FOR HISTORIC, UH, SIGNIFICANCE, RIGHT? FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, HOW DOES THIS WORK WITH REGARDS TO THE ULTIMATE END [01:45:01] STATE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? UH, AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER? SO PROCEDURALLY, WHAT THE STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW IS THE CITY COUNCIL TO DESIGNATE OVER THE OBJECTION OF AN, OF THE OWNER IF IT'S A RELIGIOUS ENTITY. SO WE WOULD, THE CASE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR DESIGNATION, BUT THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE WOULD STILL BE, UM, ON THE RECORD IF IT WERE APPROVED. AND IT STILL REFLECTS THE IMPORTANCE THAT THE COMMUNITY FEELS THAT THE PROPERTY HAS. OKAY, GREAT. NOW THE NEXT QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THAT, UM, FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, DOES THIS KEEP THE APPLICANT OR THE, THE OWNER FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY WANNA DO? IS THERE A DELAY? IS THIS GONNA, THERE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE BEYOND TODAY THAT, THAT WE CAN THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I'M ASKING BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW EXACTLY PROCEDURALLY WHAT HAPPENS, WHY THINGS HAPPEN THE WAY THEY DO, BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT, INCLUDING ME. I HAD A QUESTION. UM, AND I'LL, I'M JUST GONNA ADD LIKE ANOTHER WAY TO REPHRASE IT. IT'S THE SAME ANSWER THAT I GAVE FOR THE PREVIOUS CASE. AND SO IF THE FINDINGS APPROVED, THEN WE ALWAYS SEEK CONCURRENCE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS. SO WITH THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S ELIGIBLE OR NOT, THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION IF THEY WANNA PURSUE DESIGNATION OR NOT. AND IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF OWNERSHIP, IF NOT THE DESIGNATION EFFORT WOULD END. OKAY. SO WE VOTE TODAY OR WHATEVER WE VOTE, PROPERTY OWNER MOVES FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. OKAY, GOTCHA. ALRIGHT, THEN I MOVE THAT WE, I MOVE THAT, UH, WE VOTE FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND LET THE OWNER PROCEED AS NEEDED AFTERWARDS. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I THINK, UM, UM, SHANNON CLEARED UP A COUPLE THINGS FOR ME. UM, MR. SORRY, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE MOTION. MOTION TO MOVE FOR A HISTORIC FINDING. I JUST NEED THAT YES. FOR HISTORIC FINDINGS. SO LONG AS THE MOTION DOES NOT IMPEDE THE HOMEOWNER FROM DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE. AND THANK YOU. UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, UM, SHANNON CLEAR A LOT OF THINGS FROM ME, BUT I TOOK A COUPLE NOTES FROM, FROM EVERYONE THAT WAS SPEAKING, UM, THE, UM, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE BUILDING AND ALSO FROM THE, UM, COMMUNITY QUESTION OR COMMUNITY STATEMENTS, UM, THROUGH THE VOICEMAILS. UM, SO STAFF FINDS THAT THIS RECTORY ALONE, UM, DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA. HOWEVER, THE FOUR, THE FULL PARCEL IS ELIGIBLE. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? THANK YOU. AND, UM, I LIKE TO SAY I SUPPORT THE DESIGNATION, BUT I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. BUT I'M HAVING, HAVING AN ISSUE WITH JUST DIRECTORY ALONE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS TALKING WITH THE, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BUILDING, THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THERE. UM, AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE THE POWER TO DESIGNATE DIRECTORY ALONE. ULTIMATELY, WE, THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT ALLOWED BASED ON STATE LAW TO DESIGNATE OVER THE OBJECTION OF A RELIGIOUS ENTITY. SO THE WHOLE PARTS, THE WHOLE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CHURCH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, UM, SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER, IN ESSENCE DISAGREES AND STATE LAWS ON THEIR SIDE, UM, MY QUESTION WAS WHAT POWER DO WE HAVE? BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN CLARIFIED AND I'LL, I'LL RESERVE THE REST TO, TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR HAVE TIME TO TALK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UM, MOOKA? SURE. THIS, UM, THIS HITS CLOSE TO HOME. I REPRESENT DISTRICT FIVE AND I LIVE PROBABLY ABOUT 10 BLOCKS AWAY FROM THIS CHURCH. ALTHOUGH I WENT TO SACRED HEART CHURCH AND SCHOOL, BOTH OF WHICH NO LONGER EXISTS. THEY ARE THE PROVERBIAL PARKING LOT. SO THE CHURCH WAS KNOCKED DOWN WHEN I WAS IN THE EIGHTH GRADE, AND THEN THE, WHEN WE GRADUATED, THE SCHOOL WENT, AND THEN THE RECTORY WENT ACROSS THE STREET AND THE PARISH HALL WENT. SO THERE'S STILL A CHURCH, BUT THERE ARE NOTHING COMPARED TO THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE THERE BEFORE. UM, I HAVE WORKED ON THE EAST SIDE FOR THE LONGEST TIME, 20 YEARS AT THE CARVER COMMUNITY CULTURAL CENTER. AND SO I'M AWARE OF THE CHANGES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SEE THE CHANGES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I'VE SEEN SO MANY BUILDINGS JUST DISAPPEAR, SOME OF [01:50:01] THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. UM, AND THEN, UH, I'M REALLY HEARTENED TO HEAR ALL THE IMPASSIONED SPEAKERS WHO CAME HERE AND ALL THE VOICEMAILS, UH, TO REALLY HEAR, HEAR THAT IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THE BUILDINGS AND THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. I DO THINK, AND I WOULD VOTE FOR HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. UH, I THINK IT MEETS CRITERIA POINTS 1, 2, 5, AND SIX. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE SPEAK TO THOSE VERY ISSUES. I WON'T BELABOR THOSE, BUT I ALSO HEAR THE ARGUMENTS COMING FROM THE CHURCH. AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO WANT TO PUT THIS ASIDE, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK IT'S SHORTSIGHTED. I KNOW IT'S A PAIN IN THE BUTT TO TRY AND RAISE MONEY FOR A BUILDING, BUT IF YOU REHAB THIS BUILDING AND MADE IT A FUNCTIONING BUILDING, IT COULD HAVE MEETING ROOMS. IT COULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT YOUR, YOUR FELLOWSHIP MEETINGS. IT COULD SUPPORT SO MUCH MORE. YOU COULD EVEN POSSIBLY MAKE MONEY FROM RENTING IT OUT. BUT ALL THOSE THINGS REQUIRE A UNITED FRONT FOR FUNDRAISING. AND CERTAINLY THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. SO THERE IS NOT ANY LOSS OF ANOTHER STRUCTURE ON THE WEST SIDE. I KNOW. I CAN LOOK AT YOUR FACE. IT'S, WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THREE YEARS TO DO THIS, BUT, UM, THINK OF WHAT YOU'RE LOSING AND THINK OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL GAIN WOULD BE FOR THE CHURCH. THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, THAT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. THAT'S ACTUALLY CUES UP FOR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. AND, UM, FIRST OF ALL, ALSO APPRECIATE THE, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT ON THIS, PEOPLE COMING OUT AND, AND SPEAKING ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE PARISH COMMUNITY, BUT THE COMMUNITY AS A, AS A WHOLE. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SSON AND PERHAPS THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, THE PASTORAL COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME, BUT, UM, COULD YOU, COULD YOU ALL COME UP FOR JUST A SECOND? OKAY. GARCIA, MS. GARCIA, THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. I WAS WRITING NOTES FURIOUSLY LISTENING TO THE CONTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO I HAD JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS REALLY KIND OF GOES TO THAT SORT OF QUESTION ABOUT, UH, BEING, UH, SHORTSIGHTED AND THAT SORT OF THING. UH, IS THE DEMOLITION, THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE WORKING WITHIN SORT OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN OR FACILITY PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY? OR WAS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS JUST BEEN KIND OF A NAGGING, UH, ALBATROSS ABOUT THE PARISH'S NECK AND YOU JUST WANNA GET RID OF IT? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION ACTUALLY. UM, SO BACK WHEN FATHER RAMON WAS STILL HERE AND WE OFFERED UP THE BUILDING TO, UM, TO THIS ORGANIZATION, WE HAD AT LEAST TWO PASTORAL MEETINGS WHERE WE INVITED ALL OF THE COMMUNITY, THE PARISHIONERS, AND WE TOOK A VOTE, RIGHT? UH, WE HAVE $300,000. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO ABATE THE LEAD. IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A D A ACCOMMODATION, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS. IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO PUT INSULATION IN THIS BUILDING. IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO CREATE A NEW ROOF, WHICH, WHICH WE NEED ON THIS, THIS BUILDING. UM, WE, WE FIGURED OUT THE ESTIMATES AND THE CALCULATIONS TO BE A LITTLE UNDER A MILLION DOLLARS. AND THIS WAS IN 2014, 2015. UM, AND THE PARISHIONERS WERE TAKEN ABACK. THEY'RE LIKE, WE KNOW WE FUNDRAISED AND WE'VE GIVEN BAKE SALES AND WE'VE HAD QUINCEANERAS AND, AND NO, THAT THAT'S NOT WHERE OUR MONEY CAN GO. AND WE BROUGHT UP, UM, DRAWINGS FOR A NEW MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING AND WE SAID, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THE DEMOLITION WOULD BE, WAS ABOUT $23,000 AND A NEW BUILDING, A NEW METAL BUILDING THAT WOULD MATCH THE STUCCO DECOR OF THE CHURCH. UH, I THINK WE ESTIMATED, UH, A LITTLE UNDER $200,000 AND THE PARISHIONERS WERE INVIGORATED. THEY'RE LIKE, YES, WE ONLY HAVE TO FUND RAISE THIS, THIS MUCH MORE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIND THE MILLION DOLLARS TO, TO RENOVATE THIS ONE, UH, RECTORY. SO WE COMBINED, WE ALL TOOK, TOOK A VOTE, AND WE SAID, WE LOVE THIS BUILDING. YES, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT DO WE HAVE THE PARISHIONERS, THE NUMBERS, THE PEWS FILLED TO FUNDRAISE? NO, WE DON'T. IF IF [01:55:01] EVERY CALLER ON THAT CALL, IF EVERY PERSON HERE THAT SIGNED A PETITION SHOWED UP TO MASS ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, I WOULD NOT BE BEGGING AND PLEADING FOR SCRAPS TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE BASIC FUNCTIONING OF THIS CHURCH. PEOPLE ARE AGNOSTIC. THEY'RE NEW ORDER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE, THE CHURCH IS NOT FOR ME. AND YOU HEAR IT IN THE PHONE CALLS. THEY'RE LIKE, I USED TO BE A PARISHIONER IN THE SEVENTIES AND THE EIGHTIES. GREAT. WHAT ARE, WHERE ARE YOU NOW? I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO PASSIONATELY FIND THAT MONEY TO SAY, YEAH, WE CAN REBUILD THIS. WE CAN REPURPOSE IT. WE CAN, THE FLOORS ARE GORGEOUS. WE CAN REBUFF AND WE COULD PUT NEW WINDOWS. WE COULD GLAZE EVERYTHING OVER, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AS A PARISH BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGING PARISH. THEY'RE DYING ON US. THEY'RE THE, THE YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T WANNA COME. AND SO I COULD DREAM, I COULD, WE COULD ALL DREAM BIG, BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE, THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE FOLLOWERS ANYMORE. NOBODY WANTS TO COME TO CHURCH. AND, AND IF WE DID, THEN GREAT. THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE, BACK IN 2014, WE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO RAISE THE FUNDS. AND WE HAVE BENEFACTORS THAT GIVEN THE THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND EVEN TO THESE BENEFACTORS, IT IS TOO MUCH FOR THEM TO SAY, WHERE ARE THE OTHER THOUSANDS? RIGHT. SO FOR ME, IT'S, I I SEE BOTH SIDES. AND, AND THIS IS WHY I WAS NODDING MY HEAD IN CONCURRENCE, YES. BUT THIS WOULD BE JUST BEYOND OUR PARISHIONERS. WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, EVERYBODY WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO GOVERNMENT GRANTS. BUT IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, WE DON'T HAVE TIME. THIS IS TURNING INTO AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE. WE CAN'T KEEP THE FENCING INTACT TO KEEP THE VAGRANT OUT OF IT. SO WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND THE BUILDING IS DEGRADING BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO DEMOLITION AFTER ABATEMENT, AFTER CLEARANCES AF AND THEN WE WERE HELD AT A TOTAL STOP. AND NOW THE BUILDING IS REALLY, REALLY SUFFERING. SO, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, YES. UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MASTER PLAN BACK ALL THE WAY DATED TO 2000. THAT'S HOW FUNDRAISING IS SUPER HARD. BUT FROM OUR INITIAL MASTER PLAN, STILL, WE STILL NOT, WE STILL WERE GOING TO, THIS WAS NOT PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN, HONESTLY. IT, IT WAS, IT WAS TO RAISE IT BECAUSE THE PARISHIONERS, LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY, THEY NEED A SMALL HALL FOR FELLOWSHIP. SO LET ME HIT UPON THAT AND BE SURE TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, SO WHAT WHAT I WAS STATING IS THAT WE INITIALLY HAD, WE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MASTER PLAN THAT DATES BACK ALL THE WAY TO 2000. HERE WE ARE IN 2022. RIGHT? IT'S HARD TO RAISE MONEY, ESPECIALLY NOW, UH, THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC HURDLES THAT, THAT WE FACE HERE ON THE WEST SIDE, 7 8, 2 0 7, I MEAN, IT'S ASTRONOMICAL TRYING TO FUNDRAISE. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, THE PENNIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GATHER, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT EXIST STILL IN OUR PARISH. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU, THAT THAT'S, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE ACTIVE MEMBERS IN THE PARISH THAT SUSTAIN THIS. AND PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT 125 YEARS OLD, OLD, WE WILL BE CELEBRATING OUR CENTENNIAL. THE BUILDING IN FRONT OF THAT IS WHAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S THE CHURCH AND PEOPLE LACK THE KNOWLEDGE TO KNOW THAT IS THE IMPORTANT STRUCTURE, WHICH WE HAVE PUT SO MUCH MONEY INTO. WE'VE PRESERVED, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO KEEP THAT CHURCH OPEN. AND WE'VE DONE IT. AND IT IS SPECTACULAR. YOU GO IN THERE, IT'S IMMACULATE. BEAUTIFUL. BUT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST A HOUSE. IT'S NOT SERVING THE NEEDS THAT IT NEEDS TO SERVE. AND FINALLY, WHAT I DO WANT TO CONVEY IS THAT NOBODY RESIDES IN THERE. WE, WE HAVE COMBINED, BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THE PARISH, SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT THE PARISH, THE LOCAL CHURCHES THAT WE HAVE ONE PRIEST FOR THREE PARISHES HERE IN THE WEST SIDE. SO IT'S ONE PRIEST. AND WE HAVE A HOUSE THERE AT OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE WHERE THE PASTOR, WHICH IS ALSO THE ADMINISTRATOR, LIVES ALONG WITH HIS VICAR. SO PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IT'S NOT SERVING. IT'S BEEN VACATED FOR MANY YEARS NOW. AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS THE PEOPLE THAT SUSTAIN THIS FINANCIALLY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO STARTING TODAY, MOVE FORWARD IN THAT PROCESS. AND WE ASK Y'ALL TO RESPECT THAT. SURE. THANK, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP, UH, COMMISSIONER ON A FEW OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE MASTER [02:00:01] PLAN, 'CAUSE A MASTER PLAN DOES, FIRST OF ALL, IT NEEDS UPDATING. YOU KNOW, IT DOES NEED UPDATING AND BECAUSE, BUT IT COST MONEY TO DO THAT AS WELL BECAUSE CON CONDITIONS CHANGE OVER TIME. AND, UM, ALSO JUST WANTED TO SEE KIND OF INSTITUTIONALLY HOW THIS WAS ALWAYS, IF IT WAS ALWAYS SLATED TO BE DEMOLISHED, IF THAT WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN FOR IT TO, REGARDLESS OF ITS CONDITION. AND ALSO IN THE STUDY OF THE MASTER PLAN, UM, IF THERE WAS A, A, A, UM, A THOROUGH KIND OF FACILITIES EVALUATION THAT WAS FIGURED OUT THAT THEN PROJECTED SOME COSTS, AND ALSO IF THERE WAS AN EVALUATION OF THE, THE, THE PARISH HALL THAT WAS ACROSS THE WAY THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS, UH, IS, IS NEEDING SOME, SOME A D A SERVICE FOR, UH, BECAUSE THAT, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE GRAPHIC, IT SAYS IT'S FROM 1965. I LOOK AT IT ON, ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE YEAR I WAS BORN. BUT, UM, SO I GUESS I'M HISTORIC NOW, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S NOT AS SIGNIFICANT IN THE VAST SCHEME OF THINGS. NO. AND WOULD IT BE A BETTER, UH, ELIGIBLE, UH, FOR DEMOLITION TO CLEAR THE SITE AND HAVE THAT NEW PARISH HALL COME IN RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT HAS A DEEPER ASSOCIATION WITH THE ACTUAL CHURCH BUILDING ITSELF? EXACTLY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, THE CHURCH THAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED IS GONNA CELEBRATED CENTENNIAL A HUNDRED YEARS. AND THE BUILDING, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S OUR ARCHIVISTS FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE HAVE COME, WE'VE GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING THERE AND THERE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO HISTORICAL, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T RECOGNIZE IT HISTORICALLY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THE BUILDING, UH, BUILT BY THE REDEMPTORIST THAT CAME IN IN 1925 AND THE OBLATES SEVERAL DECADES AFTER THAT COME AND THEY BUILT THE RECTORY. SO LIKE I SAID, IT WASN'T BUILT SIMULTANEOUSLY. AND WE DO HAVE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF OUTREACH, BUT UNDERSTAND THIS, THAT THIS IS AN OLD COMMUNITY. PEOPLE CONTINUE TO DIE OFF. PEOPLE HAVE FLOCKED OUT. LOOK HOW SANITARY HAS GROWN, AND PEOPLE HAVE MOVED ON TO GREENER PASTORS. IT'S THE FEW OF US THAT STAY BEHIND THAT ARE KEEPING THIS CHURCH, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT WAS NICE AND BEAUTIFUL TO EVERYBODY THAT EVERYBODY THAT CHIMED IN, BUT IF EVERYBODY WOULD COME AND CHIME IN FINANCIALLY, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS RUTT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE, THE OTHER POINT OF A MASTER PLAN IS THAT IT HELPS YOU TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO BABY STEPS, RIGHT? AND ONE OF THOSE BABY STEPS COULD BE TO JUST STABILIZE THE STRUCTURE, MAKE IT SECURE, KEEP OUT VAGRANTS, AND THEN ACTIVATE A, A FUNDRAISING PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY FOR IT. YEAH, BUT ULTIMATELY WE, WE, WE DID, LIKE I SAID, OUR, OUR, OUR CONSENSUS WAS TO TAKE THE BUILDING DOWN. I MEAN, WE, WE MET WITH PARISHIONERS AND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT SUSTAINED, AGAIN, THE, THE CHURCH FINANCIALLY THEY SEE, THEY DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THE RECTORY TO EXIST ANYMORE. AND THE, AGAIN, RECTORY IS FOR THE PRIEST, FOR THE PRIESTS WHO LIVE THERE. THE PRIESTS NO LONGER LIVE IN, IN THE AREA, THEY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORING CHURCH. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THIS IS HAMPERING, IT'S A DETERRENT TO, TO, TO PARISHIONERS BECAUSE WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD. AND, UM, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE GOAL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTIONS. APPRECIATE IT. YES. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, MY ONLY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS, AND I APPRECIATE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S, UH, COMMENTS, THE COMMENTS FROM THE CHURCH AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, UH, ARE TO AGREE WITH STAFF ON, UH, CRITERIA IS ONE AND TWO. AND ADDITIONALLY, I FIND THAT FIVE AND 11 ARE ALSO CONTRIBUTING. I THINK THIS STRUCTURE IS PRETTY CLEARLY ELIGIBLE FOR DESIGNATION AND DESPITE THE, UH, SINCERITY AND THE, AND THE, UH, NATURE OF THE CONCERN FROM KIND OF BOTH SIDES OF THIS CASE, UH, FOR ME, LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE AND THE CRITERIA, IT'S A RELATIVELY EASY CALL, WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAS ANY TEETH FORWARD. I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE STATE LAW, UH, RESTRICTS US HERE. UH, BUT I, I'LL, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR ELIGIBILITY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I TRULY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO'S CALLED IN AND APPEARED TO PRESENT THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THEIR THOUGHTS, THEIR OPINIONS, AND THEIR, UH, RECOLLECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST, UM, THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. UM, WHAT THIS PROCESS HAS DONE IS IT PUTS, IT PUTS THIS PROJECT IN A REALLY INTERESTING PLACE. WE HAVE AIRED OUR GRIEVANCES IN THE PUBLIC IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY. AND SO THAT WORKS TWO WAYS. THAT WORKS IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE A CALL FOR A BELOVED [02:05:01] AND RESPECTED BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S USED AS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR OTHERWISE, PHYSICALLY IT IS PROBABLY HAS QUITE A BIT MORE VALUE THAN THE METAL BUILDING SUBSTITUTE THAT WAS THERE. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY MORE VALUE IN THAT AS A BUILDING. IT'S NOT JUST A HOUSE, BUT WHAT IT ALSO IS, IT COULD SERVE AS A CATALYST, AS A STRUCTURE FOR SO MANY OTHER THINGS. OR THE, THE CHURCH USES IT DIRECTLY AS A REHABBED PARISH HALL, WHETHER IT GETS RENTED TO OTHERS FOR BUSINESS OR WHATEVER, AND IT BECOMES INCOME PRODUCING. IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THIS BUILDING. AND SO WHAT I SEE COMPELLING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT WE'VE ALL, UM, THE PUBLIC HAS STATED WHERE THEY ARE, THEY'RE IN SUPPORT. WELL, I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT WE CAN NOW COUNT ON SHOULD THIS, SHOULD, SHOULD WE, UM, VOTE FOR FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. UM, AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TIME PERHAPS THOSE FORCES THAT WANNA SEE IT SURVIVE AND BE USED IN SOME OTHER ADAPTIVE WAY, CAN REALLY COME AND SHOW, SHOW THE RESOURCES AND WORK WITH THE CHURCH, WORK WITH BUSINESSES, THE, THE, THE PASTORAL SERVICE, THE ARCHDIOCESE, WHOEVER THE, THE PEOPLE ARE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CHURCH SIDE, I WOULD SAY SHOW UP, SHOW UP WITH RESOURCES, SHOW UP WITH GOOD IDEAS, AND GOING TO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S IDEA OF RE REASSESSING THAT MASTER PLAN. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGING POPULATION AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'LL NEED TO ATTRACT A NEW YOUNGER POPULATION. YOU KNOW, IS IT ABOUT COMING BACK HOME AND COMING BACK HOME TO THE OLDER HOME LOOKING BUILDING WHAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF KINDS OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL CAN BE EXPLORING RIGHT NOW. AND YOU HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME. WE HAD THE LUXURY OF EVERYBODY STANDING UP AND SAYING WHERE THEY STAND NOW, THEY, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO STAND AND, AND STEP UP. SO, UM, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, BECAUSE TO ME, THAT IS, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN ON SITE, ON PAPER, FROM WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID, WHAT I KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURES, THIS IS AN EASY ONE FROM THAT REGARD, HOW DO YOU MOVE FORWARD? THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION. BUT THIS HAS GREAT, GREAT ARCHITECTURAL, UM, POSSIBILITIES. UM, SPATIAL POSSIBILITIES, SPIRITUAL POSSIBILITIES, UM, PARISH POSSIBILITIES. IT REALLY IS A GREAT RESOURCE. SO MAYBE YOU HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO THAT'S, AND OF COURSE, WHAT, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, MAZUA MENTIONED, UM, THOSE ARE EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT POINTS. UH, I REALLY, UM, ENJOY HEARING THE PERSPECTIVES OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, AND I JUST DITTO THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YES. ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF VERY QUICKLY. THE DECONSTRUCT VERSUS ABOLISH THAT GOES INTO, UH, A STATUTE THAT GOES INTO EFFECT NEXT MONTH, IS THAT GONNA IMPACT THEM AT ALL? WOULDN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY. SO THE THING THAT'S NEXT MONTH IS THE CITY, CITY EXECUTED DEMOLITIONS. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A PRIVATE DEMOLITION, AND SO WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THE, TO THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE UNTIL JANUARY. GREAT. YEAH. AGAIN, I, I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE AND, AND I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE. I MEAN, WHATEVER WE, WE VOTE HERE TONIGHT, THE PARISH IS GONNA DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE PEOPLE THAT CAME AND SPOKE, I MEAN, I KNOW COVID CAME AROUND, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE SITE VISIT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S COME TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO DO, DO THEIR PART. YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT GONNA TRY AND LECTURE PEOPLE, BUT TO PRESERVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT'S A COMMUNITY EFFORT, RIGHT? IT'S A COMMUNITY EFFORT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SHOWING, IT'S NOT JUST SAYING THAT WE NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED. IT'S SHOWING UP WITH THE HAMMER, SHOWING UP WITH YOUR VOLUNTEER CARPENTER, SHOWING UP WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR, WITH ANYONE THAT YOU NEED TO, TO WORK ON THE SITE AND START HELPING TO, TO TAKE THIS, TO PRESERVE IT OR ELSE TAKE IT DOWN AND MOVE IT. I THINK ONE OF THE, UH, THE WEST SIDE, UH, UH, UH, COMMISSION HAD MENTIONED THEY WERE GONNA MOVE IT A FEW YEARS AGO, RIGHT? THE CHURCH WAS GONNA LET 'EM HAVE IT. SO I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS WHERE, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER. AND, AND I, AND I SEE THE LOVE IN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I SEE BOTH FOR AND AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY. UM, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S COMING TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, DON'T LET THIS DIVIDE THE COMMUNITY, THE CHURCH HAS TO MOVE FORWARD IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD, RIGHT? UH, AS MUCH AS WE, WE, WE, WE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THINGS. UH, TIME IS ALWAYS AGAINST US IN PRES IN PRESERVING THINGS, YOU KNOW? SO [02:10:01] AGAIN, I JUST WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR SHOWING UP AND, AND, AND, AND PRESENTING THEM, PRESENTING THEIR, THEIR FEELINGS, THEIR, THEIR OPINIONS, UH, UM, ON, ON SUCH A SENSITIVE SUBJECT. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ECHO THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE COMMISSION. UM, LIKE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHURCH REPRESENTATIVES, UH, FOR PRESENTING THEIR SIDES TO THE, UH, TO THE CASE. UM, I BELIEVE AS A STRUCTURE ITSELF AND THE HISTORY THAT IT HAS, THAT THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE FINDING OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE AND, UM, SHOULD THIS GO FORWARD THAT WAY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE COOPERATION AND MORE DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE PARISH AND THE COMMUNITY. UH, THE COMMUNITY IS OBVIOUSLY, UH, HAS BEEN DISPERSED AROUND SAN ANTONIO. THERE WERE CALLS FROM, UH, MONTE VISTA AND MONTICELLO. PEOPLE WHO, UH, HAD HAVE FAMILY TIES BACK TO THIS PARISH AND THIS COMMUNITY. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO HAS A, UM, AN INTEREST IN SAVING THIS BUILDING THAT THEY STEP UP AND WORK WITH THE PARISH, AND I ASK THE PARISH TO, UM, NOT IF IT COMES TO THAT RUSH TO DEMOLITION. I KNOW YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT GIVE A LITTLE BREATHING SPACE SO THAT, UH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HEAR AND GET SOME, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY IN ALL OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AT THIS TIME, I WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE GIBBS. AYE FISH. AYE. SAVINO. AYE. UM, MOOKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND THAT, SIR? AYE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL, UH, BE A, UH, SATISFACTORY RESOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 46 5 0 6 STEER. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT FOUR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE LOT ADDRESSED AT 5 0 6 STEER. THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES THREE, THREE STORY STRUCTURES AND ONE TWO STORY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N. THE APPLICANT SHOULD INCORPORATE THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C ONE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORES A REVISED SITE CONFIGURATION AND BUILDING NUMBER THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WITH HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND LOT COVERAGE FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, D E, AND F TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCREASES THE SETBACK OF THE FRONT UNIT TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDINGS D AND J THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT STRUCTURE TO TWO AND A HALF STORIES AS NOTED IN FINDING F FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE HEIGHTS OF ALL THREE OF THE REAR THREE STRUCTURES TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS NOTED IN FINDING F FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS AN ACCURATE LINE OF SIGHT STUDY FROM BOTH STEERING AND CEDAR THAT ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES AND CONTEXT WITH THE SURROUNDING BLOCK SIX, THAT THE DETACHED GARAGES OR PARKING AREAS BE UTILIZED, OH, I'M SORRY, THAT DETACHED GARAGES OR PARKING AREAS BE UTILIZED INSTEAD OF ATTACHED GARAGES AND CARPORTS. AS NOTED IN FINDING K SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO ACCURATELY REFLECT PROPOSED CONDITIONS BASED ON FINDING K EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING H NINE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS AND RAILINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING I 10, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TO BE INTRODUCED BY THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND HARDSCAPING WERE FEASIBLE AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE WIDTHS OF THE PROPOSED PARKING PADS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. BASED ON FINDING N THE APPLICANT SHOULD INDICATE ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE SITE PLANS AND OR ELEVATIONS, INCLUDING CONDENSER UNITS 11, THAT THE APPLICANT INCLUDES PLANTINGS IN THE PROPOSED DECOMPOSED GRANITE GARDEN PATHWAY AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING M AND 12, THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ZONING SETBACK [02:15:01] REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND THE APPLICANT, CAROLINE GADO IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. AND WE DO ALSO HAVE, UH, TWO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ITEM. MS. GADO, ARE YOU THERE? I SEE YOU'RE UNMUTED. CAN YOU TRY SAY, SAYING SOMETHING? HELLO? OKAY. WE CAN HEAR YOU. JUST KEEP GOING AND THEY'LL ADJUST THE VOLUME AS YOU SPEAK. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS CAROLINE GATTO. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR 5 0 6 STEER. UM, WE ARE PROPOSING FOUR UNITS ON THE PROPERTY. UM, WE CAN START BY LOOKING AT THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION LETTER. SO HERE YOU'LL FIND, UM, SUPPORT ON FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UM, IN FAVOR OF OUR PROJECT. THERE ARE SUCCESSFUL AND SIMILAR, YET LARGER PROJECTS ON THE CORNER OF GUNTHER AND SOUTH ALAMO. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE UNITS ON CEDAR STREET THAT ALSO HAVE SIMILAR BUILDS, UM, THAT HAVE ALSO GONE UP AND BEEN PROVEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE AREA. OUR PROJECT DOES COMPLY WITH THE LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS STATED IN THE GUIDELINES. UM, THERE ARE NO HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK BASE OB STEERING, SO OUR SETBACK OF THE ONLY RESIDENCE ON THE BLOCK WAS USED TO ESTABLISH THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. UM, AND THE CARPORTS ARE NOT ENCLOSED GARAGES ON UNITS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND THEY DO NOT FACE STEERING STREET AND ARE LOCATED BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS DIRECTED BY THE GUIDELINES. UM, THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED, UH, WE GRANT DETAILS FOR WINDOWS AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND LANDSCAPING FEATURES SO WE CAN JUMP TO, UM, OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN. PERFECT. AND HERE YOU'LL FIND, UM, STARTING WITH THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE. UM, YOU WERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE PRIVACY FENCES GOING IN BETWEEN EACH UNIT UP UNTIL THE COVERED PORCH, UM, WHICH IS WHERE OUR FRONT DOOR FACES, UM, FOR EACH OF THE UNITS. UM, WE HAVE JUST SOME SIMPLE LANDSCAPING. UM, OUR BUILDING TO LOT RATIO IS AT 38.86%, SO WE ARE WITHIN THAT THRESHOLD. WITH THAT SAID, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LANDSCAPING, SO, UM, JUST BASED ON KIND OF THE LAYOUT, BUT WE ARE GONNA KEEP IT VERY GREEN, A LOT OF TREES, UM, A LOT OF PLANTS AND SUCH. AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF, UH, ON YOUR VIEW OF THE SITE MAP IS OUR DRIVEWAY. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE ALLEY, UM, THERE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN IS LOCKED OFF RIGHT NOW AND IT'S NOT REALLY ACCESSIBLE. SO WE WOULD GO DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY AND THEN THERE IS ROOM FOR EACH UNIT TO HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING. THAT FIRST HOUSE, UM, DOES HAVE A ATTACHED GARAGE. UM, SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE IN THE PAST. SO I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME COMMENTARY ABOUT JUST THE ACCESSIBILITY WITH IT, BUT IT SHOULD PAN OUT. AND THEN IF YOU WANNA GO TO OUR WINDOW SPECS, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE JUST TO PROVIDE FURTHER DETAIL. SO THESE ARE THE SPECS WE'VE PULLED FROM J J GEL, GEL, JW WINDOWS. UM, THESE ARE JUST THEIR STANDARD SPECS. AND THEN I HAVE AN ATTACHMENT, WHICH IS KIND OF OUR SIZES. UM, IF YOU WANNA SCROLL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, THOSE ARE THEIRS. AND THEN BE 37. YES, MA'AM. SO YEAH, UM, THESE ARE SOME OF OUR SIZES YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT ALL FOUR UNITS. UM, GOING TO THE NEXT PAGE, ADDITIONAL SIZES, ADDITIONAL SIZES, UM, AND THEN I DID PROVIDE, PROVIDE STAFF WITH KIND OF A, UM, WINDOWS SCHEDULE, A VISUAL WHERE EACH OF 'EM ARE GOING. THEY'RE ALL LABELED, UM, THROUGHOUT EACH UNIT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE AS WELL. BUT YEAH, I'LL KEEP IT REALLY BRIEF. LET ME KNOW, UM, WHAT Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ARE. AND I KNOW THIS LAST ROUND WE RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, SO, UM, UM, YEAH, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE, STAR. THANK YOU VOICEMAILS, UH, SOME VOICEMAILS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 13 5 0 6 STEREN. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO JOINS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF IN RECOMMENDING THIS PROJECT NOT RECEIVE FINAL APPROVAL. THE PROJECT'S DENSITY, BUILDING MASSING, AND CREATION OF AN INTERIOR STREET DO NOT CONFORM TO THE CITY'S RECENTLY ADOPTED GUIDELINES FOR INFILL CONSTRUCTION [02:20:01] OR TO HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOUND IN THE KING WILLIAM HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 5 0 6 STEER STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 3 4 6. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT WITH THE APPLICANT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. OVER THE COURSE OF OUR MEETINGS, THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONDED TO OUR COMMENTS AND RETURNED WITH UPDATED PLANS THAT ADDRESSED OUR CONCERNS IN FEBRUARY, 2022. WE REVIEWED THE APPLICATION BEFORE IT WAS PULLED AT THE MARCH 1ST H D R C MEETING. THE PROPOSAL HAS BEEN RESUBMITTED AND OUR OPINION OF THE STAFF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE UNCHANGED AND GENERATED THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER. NUMBER ONE, SUCCESSFUL. SIMILAR, YET LARGER PROJECTS THAT THE CORNER OF GUNTHER AND SOUTH ALAMO AND THEN THE 100 BLOCK OF CEDAR HAVE LEFT SIMILAR HEIGHTS, MASSING, SETBACK, INTERIOR STREETS, AND LOT COVERAGE WHERE PORCHES ARE USED AS TRANSITION ELEMENTS TO ONE STORY STRUCTURES. NUMBER TWO, THE PROJECT COMPLIES WITH THE LOT COVERAGE LIMITATIONS STATED IN THE GUIDELINES, BUT THE GUIDELINES ARE SILENT ON ANY IMPERVIOUS COLOR COVER REQUIREMENT NUMBER THREE, SINCE THERE ARE NO HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK, FACE OF STEERING, THE SETBACK OF THE ONLY RESIDENCE ON THE BLOCK WAS USED TO ESTABLISH THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF TWO AND TWO AND A HALF STORY RESIDENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG MADISON AND CEDAR THAT HAVE SETBACKS OF 12 FEET OR LESS. RM FOUR ZONING REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 10 FOOT SETBACK. THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL BLOCK FACE IN KING WILLIAM AND COULD BE A TRANSITION PROJECT TO THE NEARBY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ALONG SOUTH ST. MARY'S STREET. NUMBER FOUR, THE CARPORTS ARE NOT INCLUDE GARAGES DO NOT FACE STEERING STREET, AND ARE LOCATED BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS DIRECTED BY THE GUIDELINES, THE STAFF SUGGESTION THAT DETACHED GARAGES BE PROVIDED SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE. WE RECOMMEND THAT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BE GRANTED WITH DETAILS REGARDING WINDOW ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND LANDSCAPING BE FURTHER DEVELOPED FOR REVIEW IN THE APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES THE VOICEMAILS. THANK YOU. OKAY, DO WE HAVE, UM, A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A MOTION, I MOTION THAT THIS WOULD REQUEST BE ABLE TO TALK. I'M A NEIGHBOR. I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE ABLE TO TALK. OH, OH, YOU SIGN UP TO SPEAK. SIGN UP. HE CAME IN LATE. UM, SIR, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND SPEAK FOR TWO MINUTES AND THEN COME SIGN MY PAGE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. YES, SIR. IF YOU'LL COME UP AND SPEAK AND THEN YOU CAN SIGN THAT. I, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, GRANTED ME AN AUDIENCE HERE. SO MY NAME IS JAMES DOER. I LIVE ON 4 0 7 CEDAR, UH, THAT'S RIGHT, UH, AROUND THE CORNER, UM, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, THE ONE ON THE, UH, ON THE, THE HOUSE ON THE, ON THE, UH, CORNER. UH, I'M VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS LAST TALK THAT, UM, I'M A MEMBER OF THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION. I'M NOT ON THE BOARD, BUT I'M A MEMBER. AND, UM, UH, THE, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS MORE COMMERCIAL LIKE THIS ON 100 CEDAR AND ON GUNTER, THOSE ARE THE 100 CEDAR IS RIGHT ON THE MAIN STRIP. YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE COMMERCIAL, THAT'S MORE MULTIFAMILY. UH, YOU HAVE THE, UM, UH, THE, UH, ST. BENEDICT'S LOST AND ALL THAT. SO IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE ONE STORY BUILDINGS AND, AND HISTORIC BUILDINGS. UM, SO, AND IN THE GARAGES, I MEAN, ALL OF OUR PLACES HAVE GARAGES. WE WERE REQUIRED WHEN OUR PLACE AT 4 0 7 CEDAR, WE HAD, WE DID ALL THE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS. WE DID EVERYTHING TO THE T AND WE HAD TO REBUILD OUR GARAGE FROM SCRATCH. UH, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS FALLING DOWN, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULDN'T WALK INTO IT. SO WE, WE, WE TORE IT DOWN, BUT WE MADE THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS, AS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STREET. SO EVERYTHING FROM THE STREET NEEDS TO BE HISTORIC. UH, AND SO I DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, I MEAN, THE SETBACK TOO IS, UH, I BELIEVE THEY USED, THERE'S A COUPLE ERRORS IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION. UH, ONE IS A SETBACK. THEY USED A HOUSE ON THE CORNER. WELL, THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER IS NOT HISTORIC BECAUSE THAT HOUSE WAS MOVED AND PLACED THERE, SO THAT WASN'T BUILT THERE. SO THAT'S NOT A TRUE HISTORIC SETBACK. UH, THE OTHER THING IS THERE ARE HISTORIC HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK, AND RIGHT DOWN THE STREET YOU HAVE THREE HOUSES [02:25:01] ON, ON ST. MARY'S AND STYRENE. AND THOSE HOUSES ARE ALL BEEN ONE STORY. AND THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE HISTORIC AND THEY REDID 'EM BEAUTIFULLY. SO IT'S KIND OF A DISSERVICE TO, AND PEOPLE WHO GO IN THERE AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES TO DO A COMMERCIAL TYPE, YOU KNOW, VENTURE LIKE THIS. SO, UH, ON THE, AND THE OTHER FALLACY IS THEY USE MY HOUSE FOR LOT COVERAGE AND, UH, I'M OVER 50% OF THE COVERAGE. BUT WHAT HAPPENED OVER YEARS, THEY BUILT ONTO MY HOUSE, RIGHT? AND THERE WASN'T ENOUGH GUIDELINES LIKE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO WE HAVE MORE THAN 50%, BUT WE REGRET NOT HAVING A BACKYARD BIG ENOUGH FOR TWO DOGS. SO, SO, UH, OUR HOUSE IS AN ANOMALY IN THERE. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN USED FOR COVERAGE. SO THOSE ARE TWO FALLACIES THEY HAD. UH, THE OTHER THING IS OUR HOUSE IS A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH, AND WE HAVE TWO CARS. THIS FACIL THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY, THIS IS THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME THEY'VE, THEY'VE COME TO YOU AND THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED ANYTHING YET. UH, IT'S THE SAME FOUR MULTI-STORY BUILDINGS WITH ON, YOU KNOW, WITH NO PARKING. AND THE SAFETY ISSUE IS THE BIGGEST THING. IF YOU GO TO ST. MARY'S, WE GET A LOT OF OVERFLOW. YOU COME FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT, WE GET ALL THAT OVERFLOW FROM THE GOOD KIND RESTAURANT, AND IT'S VERY DANGEROUS WALKING THE STREETS BECAUSE EVERYBODY PARKS UP, YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG ST STYRENE, STYRENE AND CEDAR. SO, I MEAN, THE PARKING IS GONNA BE THE BIG, THE BIGGEST HAT, THE AREA. THEY REALLY NEED TO, TO TAKE IT DOWN TO, TO THREE OR TWO STRUCTURES, PROVIDE DETACHED GARAGES AND PROVIDE PARKING OR THERE'S GONNA BE PROBLEMS THERE. UM, YES, SIR. IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP. YEAH, I'LL WRAP IT UP. SO THAT, THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN IS PARKING. I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I SEE IS GONNA BE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING MORE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN 50% COVERAGE, UH, SAFETY CONCERN FOR PARKING, UH, HAVE A DETACHED GARAGES, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HOUSES, IF YOU GO TO GOOGLE, UH, MAPS RIGHT NOW AND YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE ALL ONE STORY. SO THEY'RE ALL ONE STORY ON THE CORNER'S, ALL ONE STORY. SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME, ME TALK AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A MOTION. YES, SIR. I MOVE THAT WE, THE, UH, THIS APPLICATION BE DENIED AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR DENIAL. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN, YEAH, THERE'S SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT HERE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE PRESENTER HAS, HAS MENTIONED HERE, UH, OUR CONTRADICTION, UH, TO SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS THAT WERE MADE DURING THE D R C. THIS CAME TO A D R C. I WANNA SAY, WAS IT TWO WEEKS AGO? DID WE DO A D R C ON THIS? RIGHT. AND WE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS, PARTICULARLY THE, THE, THE MASSING, THE, THE, THE, UH, SETBACKS. ALL THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE D R C. AND THERE ARE ZERO CHANGES. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW FAR APART EACH OF THESE HOUSES ARE FROM EACH OTHER. AND WE MENTIONED THE, AND WE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS PROBABLY TOO CLOSE AND THEY, WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THAT. THAT DID NOT GET ADDRESSED AT ALL. I THINK THE DRIVEWAY WAS ADDRESSED. UH, THERE'S JUST A LITANY OF THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT IN THE D R C THAT WERE JUST NOT INCORPORATED HERE TODAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SABINO. UM, I CAME IN, I BELIEVE THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OR SEVERAL DRCS AND I ATTENDED THE LAST ONE, WHICH WAS LAST WEEK. AND, UM, I, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN WAS THE ISSUE AND WITH A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND CONSIDERATION TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC HOUSES IN THE AREA. UM, THIS WAS, THIS IS VERY NON-RESPONSIVE AND I, I AGREE THAT THERE IS ALWAYS A PLACE FOR TRANSITIONAL FORMS TO OCCUR. UM, BUT HERE WE HAVE LEAPFROG A VACANT LOT. THE VACANT LOT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS NOT THE ONE THAT IS BEING BUILT ON. THAT WOULD BE THE TRANSITIONAL LOT. UM, TAKING A LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK WITH SO MANY SURROUNDING CONFORMING AND HISTORIC HOUSES IN DOING THIS IS, UM, FROM AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, NOT BEST PRACTICES. AND I DON'T THINK IT, I DON'T THINK IT BENEFITS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, THE WAY AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN COULD. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH. YOU KNOW, I, [02:30:01] I'VE MISSED, UH, SOME OF THE LAST DRCS. I WILL SAY I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT SENSITIVE TO THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S, UH, LETTER IN IDENTIFYING, UH, SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS IN THE, IN, IN THE AREA, PARTICULARLY OF THESE EDGE CONDITIONS. AND I RECOGNIZE THIS AS AN EDGE CONDITION. HOWEVER, COMMISSIONER SAVINO MAKES A GOOD, UH, POINT AS TO WHERE IT FALLS ON THE BLOCK. UH, AND, AND I'M HEARING CONTINUED CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE MASSING, WHICH I DO SHARE. UH, BUT I ALSO HOLD, UH, THE EXPECTATION THAT, UH, AN INCREASED, UH, PATTERN OF DENSITY ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT HAD BEEN OUTLINED BY THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION, UH, COULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO A D R C, IT IS TO HELP GUIDE, UM, THE APPLICANT TO HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD, UM, SUCCESSFULLY EVEN, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE, BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL, UM, IF THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, HE, TO SOME OF THE ADVICE INSIDE OF THE, UM, THE D R C, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN THIS CASE. UM, I AM, UM, I FEEL AS THOUGH STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT AND, UM, I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT, UM, FOR DENIAL FOR THIS CASE GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MAZUA. AND, UM, THE, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE SO DENSE AND THE ORIENTATION IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M DISINCLINED OR INCLINED TO, TO, UH, DISAGREE WITH THE STAFF AND, AND RECOMMEND NOT ACCEPTING THIS AS A VIABLE PLAN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, AND I THINK ACTUALLY STAFF IS, IS SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF IT, UH, EITHER. SO, AND, AND WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE CASE HISTORY, AND UNFORTUNATELY I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN TOO MANY DRCS RECENTLY, BUT, UH, LOOKING AT KIND OF WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WAS, THERE WERE SOME VERY SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THERE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. ONLY, I THINK SOME OF THE SECOND TIER, UH, ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN MY MIND, SO I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. IT IT, AND I'M REALLY KIND OF SURPRISED BY THE KING WILLIAMS ASSOCIATION'S SUPPORT OF THIS. UH, I THINK THE, THE, UH, COMPARISON OF THIS TO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL, UH, UH, THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THERE IS, IS A, IS A BIT OF A STRETCH. SO I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. I THINK THE DENSITY, UH, THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IS JUST TOO GREAT FOR THIS SITE. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. AND WITH STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, THERE WERE 12 STIPULATIONS IN THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. FIVE OF THEM HAVE NOT BEEN MET, AND THEY ARE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, STIPULATIONS SUCH AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE, THE SCALE, UM, UM, LET'S SEE THE GARAGES, UM, ITEMS LIKE THAT THAT HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR DENIAL AT THIS POINT. I WILL, UH, A ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. UM, ZUKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. FETZER. AYE. MOTION IS APPROVED. THANK YOU. UH, AND MS. GATTO, IF YOU WOULD GET WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN, UM, WORK WITH YOU ON NEXT STEPS FOR, UH, YOUR, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. AGENDA ITEM 15, JUST A NOTE, AGENDA, ITEM 14 WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H G R C CASE 2022 DASH 4 69, ADDRESS, 3 0 4 SADIE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO RE TO ONE, REMOVE A NON-ORIGINAL WOOD, UM, STASH WINDOW ON THE REAR SOUTH WING, AND REPLACE WITH A FIXED TRANSOM STYLE WINDOW AT THE SAME LOCATION. TWO, REMOVE AN ORIGINAL WOOD STASH WINDOW ON THE EAST FACADE OF THE SOUTH WING AND REPLACE IT WITH THE FIXED TRANSOM STYLE WINDOW AT THE SAME LOCATION. AND THREE, REMOVE THREE NON-ORIGINAL GROUPED WINDOWS AND REPLACE [02:35:01] THEM WITH THE TWO SALVAGED WINDOWS FROM THE SOUTH AND EAST FACADES. AS REFERENCED IN THE REQUEST ITEMS OF ONE AND TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING REAR WINDOW AND INSTALLATION OF A NEW WINDOW WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOW, THE ORIGINAL WIDTH OF THE WINDOW OPENING BE MAINTAINED. TWO, THAT THE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WINDOW BE INSTALLED THAT FEATURE A SASH PROFILE TWO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING SIDE WINDOW AND THE WINDOW OPENING MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS WINDOW OPENING BE PRESERVED AS AS IT EXISTS. UM, THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE NON-ORIGINAL FENESTRATION PROFILE ON THE EAST FACADE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE REAR WINDOWS NOTE AND FINDING C AND D ARE NOT APPROVED FOR REUSE THE APPLICANT INSTALL A NEW ONE OVER ONE WOOD SLASHED WINDOW. THIS WINDOW SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW. FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT SUBMIT UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS TO INCLUDE FLOOR PLAN ELEVATIONS AND WALL SECTION SET NOTE WINDOW OPENING SIZES AND WINDOW HEAD AND SEAL HEIGHTS TO O H P FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A C O A, THE APPLICANT, HENRY THE HEINA JUNIOR IS HERE IN PERSON THE APPLICANT. COME FORWARD PLEASE. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. ALRIGHT, WELL, GOOD EVENING. THIS IS, UH, MY FIRST TIME ATTENDING. ONE OF THESE PRETTY INTERESTING, UH, MY NAME IS HENRI THE HEINA. I'M WORKING FOR THE OWNERS AT 3 0 4 80 STREET. UH, A YOUNG COUPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THIS HOUSE TO THE MAX EXTENT POSSIBLE. UH, I AM A BUILDER AND I'M HELPING THEM DESIGN THIS HOUSE FOR THEIR NEEDS, FOR THEIR LONG-TERM NEEDS. UH, AS A YOUNG FAMILY, UH, THEY PLAN TO LIVE IN THIS HOUSE FOR MANY YEARS TO COME, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE MAX, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, VISIBILITY OF THIS HOME. UH, IN DESIGNING THE MASTER BATHROOM, THERE'S A, AN ORIGINAL FULL LENGTH WINDOW AND IT, IT, IT'S LOCATED WHERE THE OWNERS WANT TO PUT THEIR SHOWER. UH, HAVING A FULL LENGTH WINDOW WHERE A SHOWER IS IS, IS JUST NOT, UH, A GOOD IDEA. SO WE HAD REQUESTED TO REPLACE OR TO REMOVE THE WINDOW AND REUSE IT IN ANOTHER LOCATION. IT WILL BE REUSED AND PUT A TRANSOM WINDOW IN ITS PLACE, UH, THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A WALK-IN SHOWER. UH, SO, UH, I COME TO YOU TODAY REQUESTING, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST, UH, TO MAKE THIS BATHROOM USABLE AND FUNCTIONAL FOR THE, UH, FOR THE NEW OWNERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. A QUESTION, THE OTHER, UM, THERE WERE THREE REQUESTS AND TWO OF THEM STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH SOME STIPULATIONS. ARE Y'ALL AGREEABLE TO THOSE STIPULATIONS? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THEN THIS IS JUST, UH, REQUESTING, UH, THE ONE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS, UH, DENIAL ON. AND I DID SUBMIT, UH, DRAWINGS, UH, THAT THE ARCHITECT, UH, GOT TO ME LATE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THOSE DRAWINGS BE, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW IF, IF, IF POSSIBLE. YEAH, CLAUDIA, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE DO THAT, IF YOU CAN PUT THAT WINDOW IN QUESTION ON THE SCREEN, THAT MIGHT KIND OF HELP EXPEDITE THINGS. AND THEN WE WILL PULL UP THE DRAWINGS IF WINDOW DESIRE TO LOOK AND THE WINDOW IS NOT VISIBLE. SO THE WINDOW, THE WINDOW THAT, UH, WE'RE REFERRING TO IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT OR THE SIDES. UH, SO, SO IS, YEAH, THERE WE GO. UM, IS THERE ONE THAT SHOWS, THANK YOU. THE, LIKE THE FULL BAY, SO YOU CAN SORT OF SEE WHAT PART OF THE HOUSE IT'S ON. THIS ONE IS THE ONE ON THE SOUTH END THAT'S NOT . THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. THAT'S THE WINDOW, UH, THAT WE'RE ASKING TO REMOVE AND REUSE AND PUT A, UM, A TRANSOM WINDOW IN ITS PLACE, UH, WHERE THE, UH, MASTER BATHROOM SHOWER WILL BE LOCATED. OKAY. UH, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE GET A MOTION? MS. COMMISSIONER SINO? YES. THANK YOU. UM, TO THAT REPLACEMENT, SO IT APPEARS THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE, UP TO, UM, AT THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS, I GUESS PAGE NUMBER FOUR. UM, SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN THE TOILET ROOM OF YOUR PRIMARY BATHROOM, [02:40:01] ALSO A TALL OR A HIGHER TRANS, UH, TRANSAM? YES, MA'AM. SO YOU HAVE TWO TRANSOMS, CORRECT. AND THEY'RE BOTH NOT OPERABLE, CORRECT? THEY'RE FIXED, YES, MA'AM. AND CAN EITHER YOU OR STAFF CONFIRM TO ME THAT THAT PART OF THE HOUSE, THAT ROOM IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT? UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, IT APPEARS TO BE, BUT I JUST NEED CONFIRMATION. UH, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, IT IS ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. UH, ONE OF THE WINDOWS IS NOT ORIGINAL. THAT WAS, UH, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOME OVER THE YEARS. I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT IN 1910, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MODIFICATION TO THE HOUSE. NOT THAT I DID, BUT SOMEONE DID ALONG THE LINE. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO RESTORE IT, UH, FROM, UH, BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, UM, VISION PER SE, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND WHY IN THE TOILET, I CAN UNDERSTAND NOT HAVING THIS FULL WINDOW IN THE SHOWER STALL, UH, BUT IN THE TOILET ROOM, WHAT IS THE CONCERN ABOUT HAVING A TRADITIONAL SIZED WINDOW THERE? UM, BASICALLY THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOW WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE SITTING ON THE TOILET, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A FULL LENGTH WINDOW MM-HMM. , SO THEY WANNA REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW SO THAT AT LEAST YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA, SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA HAVE FULL VIEW OF YOU SITTING ON THE TOILET, PRETTY MUCH. AND HAVE YOU DISCUSSED WITH YOUR CLIENT THE POSSIBILITY OF USING, UM, CARTONS, SHADES, BLINDS, SHUTTERS AND THOSE SORTS OF DEVICES? WELL, THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW IS NOT AN ORIGINAL WINDOW. OKAY. UH, SO THAT'S WHY THEY APPROVED TO, UH, UH, THANK YOU. YES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? AND AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY STIPULATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ADDRESSED THERE, CORRECT? NO, SIR. WE PLAN TO GO BACK WITH A WOOD SASH WINDOW. OKAY. AND, UH, AND A WINDOW SIZE APPROPRIATE WITH THE DIMENSIONS OF, UH, KEEPING IT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND REUSING WHATEVER WE DO TAKE OUT, REUSING IT IN OTHER AREAS. SO, MR. CHAIR, I, I MOVE THAT, UH, BE APPROVED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS PRESENTED AS AS PRINTED HERE. SO, OKAY. CLARIFICATION, THERE'S THREE ITEMS. SO YOUR, YOUR MOTION IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ITEM TWO. SO WE'RE ASSUMING IT'S APPROVAL OF ALL ITEMS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. CORRECT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SO TO CLARIFY THAT JUST FURTHER, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AGREEING TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH STIPULATIONS AND THE ONE ITEM THAT THEY'RE DENYING, CORRECT? SAY THAT AGAIN? THERE'S THREE ITEMS, TWO OF WHICH THEY'RE APPROVING WITH STIPULATION AND ONE THAT THEY'RE DENYING. CORRECT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, SIR, WITH, WITH NUMBER TWO, THAT IS DENIED, RIGHT? STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING SIDE WINDOW AND THE WINDOW OPENING MODIFICATION BASED ON, ON FINDING D WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M COMING HERE, THAT WHAT'S COMING. OKAY, THEN LET, LET ME CLARIFY MY MOTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE, I'M SORRY, ONE AND THREE. AND THAT NUMBER TWO BE REQUESTED AS PRESENTED AND ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS NUMBER TWO AS PRESENTED BY THE GENTLEMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THAT MOTION SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER COMMENTS? UM, I, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS, RIGHT. I THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UH, PATHWAYS FORWARD FOR ADDRESSING THAT WINDOW IN THE, IN THE SHOWER. WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, UH, ON PREVIOUS CASES HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF INTERIOR TREATMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO PRESERVE THE EX THE EXTERIOR WINDOW IN PLACE, BUT THEN, UM, CLOSE OFF A PORTION OF IT TO CREATE SORT OF THE TRANSOM LIKE EFFECT FROM THE INTERIOR. SO I, I DON'T THINK I COULD SUPPORT THE WHOLESALE REMOVAL AND CHANGING THE PROPORTIONS OF THAT, THAT WINDOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I, UM, WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH VICE CHAIR CARPENTER AND, UM, I AGREE THAT STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT. SO, UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS AS IT STANDS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FISH. MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS TO CONFIRM THE MOTION. IS THE, IS THE MOTION FULLY CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE? YEAH. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, DID YOU JUST SAY THAT YOU SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT STANDS OR DON'T SUPPORT AS IT STANDS? I SUPPORT AS IT AS IT STANDS AS IT WAS PRESENTED. I MEAN, AS THE MOTION WENT FORWARD. YES, SIR. SO THE MOTION IS AGAINST STAFF'S [02:45:01] RECOMMENDATION, SO STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. THE MOTION WAS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO AS SUBMITTED. NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, IS THAT CORRECT? I, I AM ITEM TWO AS PRESENTED. YEAH. BY, BY, BY, BY THE GENTLEMAN. SO LETTING HIM DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH THAT, THAT WINDOW OF THE EXISTENCE. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO AS SUBMITTED, CORRECT. SO, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, I WITHDRAW MY SECOND AND I WITHDRAW MY COMMENT AS WELL IF THAT'S THE CASE. I, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING ALONG WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, SO THANK YOU. OKAY, SO, UM, HE NEEDS TO GET A SECOND FOR HIS MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A NEW MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND DENIAL OF ITEM TWO I SECOND. SO MOTION AND SECOND, UM, COMMISSIONER FISH. I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I WILL ALSO SUPPORT THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THE MOTION THAT HE'S RECOMMENDING NUMBER TWO, WHICH THE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, DENIAL OF THE DENIAL REQUEST TO REMOVE THE WINDOW. OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA, ANY COMMENTS? NO, EXCEPT THAT I AGREE WITH THE, I WILL VOTE FOR THAT. OKAY, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I AM SUPPORTED THE MOTION AS IT STANDS NOW. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT AS WELL. UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. SAVANTE? NO. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. UH, THANK YOU MR. ENA. IF YOU'LL GET WITH STAFF, UH, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH SOME, UH, PREVIOUS CASES WHERE, UH, WINDOWS HAVE BEEN KEPT IN BATHROOMS, SPECIFICALLY IN SHOWERS AND, UH, WORKING TO DO INTERIOR MODIFICATIONS WHERE THE WINDOW CAN REMAIN ON THE OUTSIDE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 16. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 4 68 ADDRESS, 1 31 EAST MULBERRY AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ONE CONSTRUCT, A NEW MASONRY WALL FEATURING JOHANNES BRICKS LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THE YARD OF THE PROPERTY. THE WALL WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT APPROVAL. AT APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT TO APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET TO SERVE AS A LANDSCAPING RETAINING WALL. UM, TWO INSTALLATION OF DROUGHT RESISTANT NATIVE LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING TO THE FRONT YARD. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT YARD MASONRY WALL BASED ON FINDING D ADDITIONAL TRADITIONAL LANDSCAPING BORDER USE, COMPATIBLE MATERIAL USING COMPATIBLE MATERIALS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. UM, TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING BASED ON FINDING E AND THE APPLICANT, JASON STONE IS HERE IN PERSON. THANK YOU. GOOD TO TALK TO YOU. I'M JASON STONE. UH, MY FAMILY AND I JUST RECENTLY MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO. UH, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF, UM, RESPECTING AND REMODELING HISTORIC HOMES. SO WE DEFINITELY ARE IN LINE WITH THE PROCESS AND WANT TO DO RIGHT BY, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION WITH THIS BEING LABELED AS A FENCE, UH, WITH THE COMPLAINT AND YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REPLACE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ORIGINAL. SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALREADY DONE. UM, THEY DID SOME MOUNDING AND THEY PUT IN [02:50:01] SOME LIMESTONE DRY STACK THAT WAS FALLING DOWN AND WASN'T REALLY EFFECTIVE. SO WE CHOSE HANNIS BRICK AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY CALLED OUT IS THAT THE MATERIAL'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S USED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, IF YOU, CLAUDIA, WOULD PLEASE GO TO, UM, PAGES 13 AND 14, WE CHOSE THE RED DENIS BLOCK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE BRICK AND THE TILE THAT'S ON THE FRONT PORCH. AND THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PICTURE HERE TOO, BECAUSE IT, IT LOWERS THE, THE PROFILE OF THE WALL TO 16 INCHES. THE PREVIOUS WALL WAS PROBABLY 12 TO 15 INCHES. AND THE REASON THAT IT WAS, THAT I THINK IT WAS COMPLAINED ABOUT WAS BECAUSE WE, WE WEREN'T FINISHED WITH THE WALL, AND I SHOULD PROBABLY APOLOGIZE THAT BECAUSE WE WERE NEW, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES AND REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL. SO IT, IT WAS NOT WHAT WE WANTED. IT WAS COMPLETELY INCORRECT. THE MASON THAT WAS THERE, UM, BASICALLY JUST FLATTENED IT OUT HIGH AND DIDN'T FOLLOW THE, THE SLOPE OF THE EARTH. SO IN SOME OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL PHOTOS THAT WE PROVIDED, WE WERE TRYING TO LOWER IT AND, AND MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT CLAUDIA IS SHOWING TODAY. SO I WOULD AT LEAST REQUEST THAT IF THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THAT WOULD CONSULT WITH US, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT. UM, THE, THE PLAN WOULD BE IF WE DO GET THE APPROVAL WOULD BE TO SLOPE THE WALL DOWN EVEN FURTHER SO THAT IT WOULD MATCH, UM, MATCH THE SLOPE OF THE EARTH AND NOT LOOK LIKE A FENCE OR A WALL, BUT INSTEAD JUST MORE OF A NATURAL RETAINING WALL THAT WOULD ACCENT THE, THE ENTRY TO THE HOME. THANK YOU. UM, CLAUDIA, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PULL UP A GOOGLE IMAGE OF THE, THE HOUSE THAT DOES SHOW THE, THE DRY STACK LIMESTONE THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY? UM, WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS, UH, POSSIBLY A SITE VISIT WITH, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND STAFF TO LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE, THE PROPERTY, THE HOUSE, UH, SEE IF, UH, DE HEINOUS BLOCK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE, THE SETTING OR WHETHER SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE, UM, RESIDENTIAL SCALE AS OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL SCALE. MM-HMM. MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. UM, BUT UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION AND WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION A MOTION THAT WE TAKE THIS TO A D R C SITE VISIT. I SECOND AND A SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER S UM, CERVANTES. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I JUST TO ECHO WHAT THE, UH, CHAIRMAN SAID, I THINK THE, THE SCALE OF THE MATERIAL IS GONNA BE VERY CHALLENGING TO DO WHAT YOU WERE PROPOSING EVEN AS A SOLUTION TO TRY TO FOLLOW THE GRADE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE SORT OF INCREMENTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND I THINK IN A SUCCESSFUL WAY. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS HAN'S, THIS IS STRUCTURAL CLAY BLOCK. IT'S NOT EVEN PAVERS. SO YOU KNOW, YOU MAY WANNA BE LOOKING INTO SOME OTHER MATERIAL CHANGE. IT MIGHT BE THAT, UH, WE CAN PRESERVE A PORTION OF THE BLOCK BUT THEN INTRODUCE A CAPPING OF, OF THE STRUCTURAL, OF THE, UH, HANNIS PAVERS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU THAT. IF I COULD JUST CALL OUT MM-HMM. A RESPONSE TO THAT ON PAGE 20, PLEASE. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER PHOTOS THAT I'VE SINCE COME ACROSS WHERE THEY'VE USED THIS BLOCK EFFECTIVELY. AND KEEP GOING PLEASE. ONE MORE. UH, MAYBE GO BACK. IT'S THE ONE WITH THE WHITE BRICK. [02:55:01] THIS ONE HERE. SEE HOW THEY'VE GOT IT SLOPED. MY MASON CAN SLOW SLOPE THAT BLOCK DOWN, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF A COUNTER TO YOUR POINT ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH IT, BUT WE'RE TOTALLY OPEN. IF WORST CASE SCENARIO WE DO HAVE TO GO WITH A BRICK, WE'RE OPEN TO DOING THAT, BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT BLOCK AND MAKE IT MATCH THE SLOPE SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID HERE. WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S MAYBE, IS THIS CLOSE TO YOUR HOME? YES, IT'S OKAY. SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY HAVE ACTUALLY CUT THE BLOCK IN THAT CASE EXACTLY. INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY SLOPED IT. SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EXECUTION ISSUES THERE. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, TO CUT IT SO THAT IT MATCHES THE SLOPE OF THE EARTH. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER MOOKA, I, I'D JUST BE IN FAVOR OF THE SITE VISIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WITH THAT I WILL ASK FOR A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MIZUKI. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. YES. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL GET THAT SCHEDULED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, UH, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.