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          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          WE'LL GET STARTED SINCE WE NOW HAVE A QUORUM AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW, UH, SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          SO WE WILL GET STARTED WITH ROLL CALL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BRAVO HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER VERAN. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE PRESENT CHAIR ROCHA GARCIA HERE, MA'AM, WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          WE WILL START WITH THE 
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APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE P C D C MEETING FOR AUGUST THE 25TH, 22 20 22. 
          UH, I HAVE MY COLLEAGUES HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I'M, YES, MADAM, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          CAN I HAVE A MOTION? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          SECOND. 
          THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL GO INTO 
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PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL START OFF WITH, UH, APOSTLE HESTER. 
          NO, APOSTLE HESTER. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, AND WE'LL TAKE EVERYBODY UP, RIGHT? SO, AND I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON THREE AND ON FIVE. 
          WELL, SO, OKAY. 
          UM, ALSO, I HAVE MIA LO, UH, YIELDING HER TIME TO ME. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, MIA. 
          OKAY. 
          I WANNA START OFF BY DISTRIBUTING THESE TO ALL OF YOU. 
          UM, SO I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON ITEM, UH, FOR THE SS A P M C AND THEN ALSO FOR THE, UM, MULTI-TENANT INSPECTION POLICY. 
          UM, I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING THAT I WAS ONE OF THE APPOINTED MEMBERS FOR THE SS A P M C BOARD. 
          SO I WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF, UM, THE LANGUAGE. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          LET ME INTERRUPT YOU BECAUSE I FAILED TO, TO TELL OUR SPANISH LANGUAGE LISTENERS. 
          OH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SORRY, Y'ALL, YOU GET YOUR TIME BACK. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, YOU'RE FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, I WAS ON THE BOARD OF APPOINTED MEMBERS THAT, UM, WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, I DEFINITELY DID MY RESEARCH, UM, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS. 
          AND ONE OF THE FIRST CONCERNS THAT WE HAD, UH, WAS JUST THE IDEA THAT, UM, UH, CODE OFFICIALS, UM, HAD, UM, A LOT OF DISCRETION IN THEIR DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE. 
          SO WE HAD PROPOSED, UM, LANGUAGE, UH, FOR ITEM 26. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE THAT WITH YOU, UM, THAT INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU, BUT THIS WAS, UM, FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 1 0 2 0.8. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY THE LANGUAGE IS SAYING THAT, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY FOR GENERAL WELFARE AND SAFETY, UM, SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL. 
          UM, WE ARE ASKING THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE IN CONSULTATION WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN IDEA OF, I'M NOT SAYING CODE OFFICIALS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE A SECOND OPINION WHEN NEEDED. 
          UM, MAINLY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD, UM, ISSUES WITH RESIDENTS WHO TELL US THAT, UM, THEIR HOMES ARE HISTORIC AND MAYBE THINGS WERE CONSTRUCTED A DIFFERENT WAY BACK THEN THAN WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE NOW. 
          SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, CERTAIN CHANGES, UM, IN ORDER TO REFLECT, YOU KNOW, THOSE DIFFERENCE IN, UH, CODE REQUIREMENTS VERSUS 40 YEARS AGO TO TODAY'S. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WE HAD WAS 1 0 7 0.2 REGARDING, UH, THE FORM, UM, OFFERING A STATEMENT IN SPANISH TO PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES. 
          UM, WE BELIEVE THAT THE REASON THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS IS BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE FAIR TO RESIDENTS, AND IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, UM, WHAT VIOLATIONS THEY ARE BEING PRESENTED WITH. 
          UM, AND THAT DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT, THAT THEY'RE BEING TOLD IS WRONG. 
          SO IN A SAN IN SAN ANTONIO, THIS BEING A LATINA CITY, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEAK SPANISH HERE, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, THAT INCLUSIVITY, UM, TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO MAY, UM, NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR 1 0 8 0.4, WHICH IS ITEM 77, WE ASK THAT, UM, WHAT IS IT THAT THE TYPICAL AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO HEAR BACK ABOUT EMERGENCY RELOCATION ASSISTANCE? UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, JUST THINGS 
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IN THE CODE THAT ALLOW FOR A PATH FORWARD TO, UM, CONNECT PEOPLE WITH THE RESOURCES THAT THEY REQUIRE. 
          UM, WE FEEL LIKE EVEN, UM, ALLOWING THEM, SHOWING THEM THE STEP-BY-STEP PROCESS IS GOING TO BE SUPER HELPFUL BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T NECESSARILY, UM, AWARE OF THE RIGHTS THAT THEY HAVE UNDER THE CODE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYONE HAS THE ABILITY TO READ THROUGH IT, UM, THE WAY THAT WE GOT TO READ THROUGH IT. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CLEAR AND CONCISE LANGUAGE TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THEIR RIGHTS, TO APPEAL THE PROCESS AS TO WHICH THAT IS, AND THEN A LANGUAGE IN WHICH THEY CAN, UM, PROVIDE, BE PROVIDED, UM, THAT INFORMATION. 
          SO, UM, THE LETTER THAT I HAD IN HANDED OUT TO YOU ALL WAS, UM, FROM MATTHEW GARCIA. 
          UM, PROFESSIONALLY, HE'S A HOUSING JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY, ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE ALTA VISTA, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          BUT HE WROTE THE RED LETTER REPRESENTING HIMSELF. 
          UM, HE, UH, ALSO COMMENTED DURING THE S A P M C COMMITTEES WITH CONCERNS THAT HE HAD ADDRESSING, UM, THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          SO I'LL LET YOU GUYS READ THAT. 
          UM, BUT JUST TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE, UM, CONTINUED THIS DISCUSSION. 
          AND FINALLY, JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IS THE CODE THAT, UH, DESIGNATES WHERE CODE OFFICIALS, UM, DIRECT THEIR EFFORT TOWARDS. 
          AND IN THAT REGARDS, WITH THE MULTI-TENANT INSPECTION POLICY, THAT IS THE CODE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE TO GUIDE THEM FOR THAT MULTI-TENANT INSPECTION POLICY. 
          AND, UM, JUST TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A STRONG FOUNDATION IN THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WILL BE VITAL FOR, UM, WHATEVER, UH, POLICY THAT WE PUSH FORWARD FOR THE MULTI-TENANT INSPECTION TEAM. 
          AND I'M JUST ASKING, IN TERMS OF THE MULTI-TENANT INSPECTION TEAM, I STILL BELIEVE A PHASED APPROACH WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO. 
          UM, THE FIRST OPTION WOULD ALLOW FOR A MORE IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE FOR, UM, RESIDENTS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT THE THIRD OPTION IS ALSO GOING TO ALLOW BOTH, UM, ALL, ALL APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO REMAIN ACCOUNTABLE TO, UM, THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CODE. 
          AND THEN ALSO IT WILL ALLOW FOR MORE ACCOUNTABILITY FROM WHETHER THAT'S NON-PROFITS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO CHECK IN AND ENSURE THAT THESE CODES AREN'T BEING VIOLATED IN A MASS AMOUNT OF NUMBERS. 
          AND IF THEY ARE BEING VIOLATED, IT WILL ALLOW US TO, UM, BETTER COMMUNICATE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE PROPERTIES. 
          AND THEN ALSO JUST HAVING A GENERAL AWARENESS AND A SENSE OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE EXPERIENCING, UM, MASS, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE HAVE CYRUS REED, FOLLOWED BY RUSSELL SEALE, AND I BELIEVE CYRUS SUBMITTED WRITTEN COMMENT. 
          UH, YES. 
          CYRUS, HOPEFULLY ALL HAVE ALL READ CYRUS UH, READS COMMENTS. 
          I'M RUSSELL SEALE FROM THE SIERRA CLUB, A LOCAL MEMBER, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE IN 20, UM, 19. 
          YOU RECOMMENDED ON THE EV AND SOLAR READY WHERE WE WERE RIGHT HERE DISCUSSING THE SAME TOPIC THAT ON WE DIRECTED COUNSEL WITHIN SIX, WITH STAFFED WITHIN SIX MONTHS TO COME UP WITH DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR AN EV AND SOLAR READY. 
          WE HAD EIGHT TO 10 MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THE AFFECTED BUILDINGS, THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION GROUPS, AND COUNCILMAN CURR. 
          YOU ATTENDED MANY OF THESE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME. 
          WE CAME UP WITH DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR EV RECOMMENDING, UH, A TWO 40 VOLT, UH, 40 AMP BREAKER, LEVEL TWO CHARGING FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          WE HAVE THAT IN YOUR, YOUR REFERENCE ON PAGE 1 41. 
          WE HAVE THAT IN MULTI-FAMILY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ASKED FOR, CONSIDER MULTI-FAMILY, NOT JUST SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          WE GOT WHAT YOU WANTED IN MULTIFAMILY, BUT IN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY'RE ONLY ASKING FOR 120 VOLT LEVEL TWO CHARGER, A REGULAR WALL OUTLET, WHICH ONLY GETS YOU FOUR MILES OF CHARGING PER HOUR. 
          ALL OF OUR ST EVS NOW REQUIRE A 240 VOLT, UH, AT LEAST A 40 AMP BREAKER OR BETTER. 
          UH, OUR OLDER HOMES, WE HAVE DRAFT, WE HAVE NOW POTENTIAL FOR LOW INCOME HOUSINGS IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE REDUCTION PLAN TO RETROFIT OUR OLDER HOMES. 
          BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT SINCE YOU ASKED FOR THIS, AND NOW THOUSANDS OF HOMES, BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY HOMES HAVE BEEN BUILT OUT HIGHWAY 90, ESPECIALLY IN THE E T J, WHICH THIS WILL APPLY TO, PLEASE CONSIDER OVERRIDING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, 
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120 VOLT, 20 AMP BREAKER. 
          UH, THIS IS A NO BRAINER. 
          WE CANNOT WAIT THIS LONG. 
          IT IS IMPORTANT THAT LOAD DESIGN IS DONE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BREAKER. 
          IF OUR BIGGER HO HOUSES, IT MAY REQUIRE FOR THEM TO PUT IN A SUB-PANEL. 
          THIS IS NOT THAT BIG OF AN EXPENSE. 
          WHEN WE WENT TO THE COMMITTEE ON, UH, THE SUPER COMMITTEE, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE SAID, ARGUING AGAINST THIS, A SHEET OF PLYWOOD COST $80. 
          THAT WAS HIS ARGUMENT AGAINST PUTTING IN THE HIGHER RATED BREAKER. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S, THE PEOPLE ARE ON THE SAME. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT SERV ON THAT SUPER COMMITTEE WERE THE SAME PEOPLE WE WERE MEETING WITH, AND FOR THEM TO HIJACK THIS COMMITTEE AND COME UP WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF, I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED. 
          AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU SEE DO NOT REFLECT THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE. 
          ON PAGE 1 41 AND 1 45 OF THE DOCUMENT, PLEASE LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WROTE AND NOT JUST THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND PLEASE DON'T WAIT. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER HOUSE BUILT THAT CANNOT HANDLE AN EV. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. SEALE. 
          CELINE WILLIAMS, FOLLOWED BY CRYSTAL MOTA, CELINE WILLIAMS, CRYSTAL MOTA, FOLLOWED BY CLAUDIA NEGA. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS CELINE WILLIAMS. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE SAN ANTONIO APARTMENT ASSOCIATION REGARDING THE PROPOSED INSPECTION PROGRAM FOR MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES. 
          WE REPRESENT OVER 1500 PROPERTY OWNERS, MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, AND MULTI-FAMILY COMMUNITIES DEDICATED TO PROVIDING OVER 225,000 HOUSEHOLDS. 
          OUR MEMBERS ALSO INCLUDE MORE THAN 350 SUPPLIERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO PROVIDE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES TO HELP MAINTAIN QUALITY HOUSING. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 300,000 PLUS UNITS, UH, RENTAL HOUSING UNITS IN SAN ANTONIO MEET OR EXCEED HABITABILITY STANDARDS AND MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE HOPE ANY POLICY CREATED WILL ADDRESS THE FEW OUTLIERS THAT HAVE EXCESSIVE UNADDRESSED CITATIONS WITHOUT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND WORK HARD EVERY DAY TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE. 
          EVEN THROUGH THE STRUGGLES THAT WE FACE WITH THE WINTER STORM URI WITH C O V I D SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE DAILY. 
          OUR PRIORITIES AND AS AN ASSOCIATION, ARE TO COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP DESIGN AND IMPLEMENT WORKABLE SOLUTIONS THAT ENSURE ACCOUNTABILITY WHERE IT IS NEEDED, UM, WITHOUT OVERCORRECTING OR IMPAIRING AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESS TO QUALITY HOUSING FOR EVERYONE. 
          WE ASK THAT AS YOU ARE CONSIDERING WHO TO APPOINT, UM, FOR ON THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT Y'ALL HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OF THAT YOU APPOINT A BALANCED GROUP. 
          WE DO SUPPORT THAT A BALANCED GROUP WITH RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE, BUT ALSO EXPERTS THAT HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERIENCE. 
          I KNOW THE CITY IS FACING SEVERAL HOUSING CHALLENGES AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL ARE TACKLING, BUT THIS ONE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO CODE, WHICH IS VERY TECHNICAL. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE EXPERTS IN THE INDUSTRY AND THAT SERVE ON COMMITTEES THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAVE THAT CAN, UM, BE ON THIS STAKEHOLDERS GROUP, WHICH WE SUPPORT, NEED TO BE IN THAT ROOM TO DISCUSS THE LOGISTICS OF WHAT POLICIES COULD LOOK LIKE. 
          WE RECOMMEND, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE SOLUTION-ORIENTED AND CONSIS CONSENSUS BUILDING. 
          UM, WE HOPE THAT YOU LEVERAGE SAN ANTONIO APARTMENT ASSOCIATION'S, UM, ABILITY TO BRING THIS INFORMATION TO OUR MEMBERS. 
          WE DO SUP, WE DO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF RENTAL HOUSING, UH, PROVIDERS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND SO ANYTHING THAT, ANY CHANGES TO CODE, WE WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE OUR MEMBERS ARE EDUCATED AND UNDERSTAND THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS, TO BRING PROFESSIONALISM TO OUR INDUSTRY. 
          UM, AND SO WE WANNA PARTNER WITH, WITH THE CITY AND WANNA BE PART AT THE TABLE WITH A STAKEHOLDER GROUP SO THAT WE CAN BE, UM, HAVE VIABLE SOLUTIONS. 
          AND ONE THING, I'LL SAY ONE THING I LOOKED UP, WE WERE LOOKING UP, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THERE'S SEVERAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTIES, UM, IN, IN THE CITY. 
          AND WHEN I WAS LOOKING UP SCORES, UM, SOMETIMES AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING GETS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION. 
          AND I'LL SAY 55% OF THE SCORES HAD A 90 OR PLUS, UM, IN WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS IN THEIR INSPECTIONS. 
          SO THIS, IT'S NOT A VAST MAJORITY THAT'S, THAT ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, MOST OF THEM ARE IN. 
          SO JUST CONSIDER THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CELINE. 
          CRYSTAL MOTA, FOLLOWED BY CLAUDIA NEGA. 
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GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. 
          MY NAME IS CLAUDIA NEGA. 
          I AM A FORMAL RESIDENT FROM SEVEN OAKS APARTMENTS. 
          I'M SORRY, WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO GO? UH, THAT'S FINE. 
          IT THERE. 
          OH, WE'LL SEARCH YOU. 
          IT'LL BE FINE IF YOU'RE GOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M A FORMAL RESIDENCE FROM SEVEN OAKS APARTMENT, WHICH ARE RE SEVEN OAKS ARE FOUND IN THE DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF TOP. 
          THE REASON WHY I BECAME A MEMBER OF TOP IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN FIGHTING FOR HOUSING JUSTICE. 
          AND NOT ONLY DO I HAVE THAT BELIEF, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR THE ORGANIZATION OF TOP OUR VOICE, OUR CONCERNS AND THE DEGRADING LIVING STYLE THAT ACHIEVEMENT PROPERTIES HAD US LIVING UNDER WOULD'VE NOT BEEN KNOWN TO THE CITY PEOPLE. 
          AND THE REASON I CAME HERE TODAY IS TO LET YOU KNOW SOME OF THE EXPERIENCES THAT I LIVED WHILE I WAS A SEVEN OAKS TENANT, I HAD NO HOT WATER. 
          AND IN ORDER TO TAKE A A HOT BATH, I HAD TO HEAT UP WATER IN MY STOVE, WHICH I ALREADY SUFFER FROM OSTEOARTHRITIS. 
          MY FIANCE IS LEGALLY BLIND, AND THEN THEY LEFT ME FOR 12 HOURS WITHOUT A WORKING STOVE. 
          HALF OF MY KITCHEN HAD NO LIGHT, AND BOTH OF US ARE DIABETICS. 
          SO IF WE HAD OUR SUGAR DROP, WE HAD NO ACCESS TO GETTING SOMETHING IN OUR BODY TO SPIKE UP OUR SUGAR. 
          AND NOT ONLY THAT, OUR TOILETS WOULDN'T, OUR TOILET WOULDN'T FLUSH PROPERLY, AND WE ONLY HAD ONE TOILET. 
          I HAD WHEN WE HAD TO DO NUMBER TWO, WE HAD TO FLUSH, FLUSH OUR TOILET WITH BUCKETS OF WATER. 
          WHO LIKES TO LIVE IN THAT CONDITION IN THE YEAR 2022? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PAYING A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY OUTTA YOUR POCKET TO LIVE IN A COMFORTABLE SITUATION, YOU KNOW, AND WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, NOT TO MENTION THE MURDERS THAT WE HAD TO WITNESS, THE BARRICADES, THE SUICIDES, YOU KNOW. 
          AND THEN WHEN THE NEW LANDLORD TRIED TO COME IN AND WASH HIS HANDS BY SAYING, I'M THE NEW LANDLORD, AND I'M NO LONGER GONNA TAKE SECTION EIGHT, AND TO MY CONVENIENCE, I WANNA MAKE THIS A DEMOGRAPHIC, UH, SEVEN OAKS SLASH COLINA NEW APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          HE RIGHT AWAY JUST WANTED TO THROW US OUT LIKE WE'RE NOBODY AFTER THANKS TO US, TO OUR MONEY, OUR HARD EARNED MONEY, HE WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, BUT YET WANTS TO TURN US INTO DEMO DEMOGRAPHIC PROPERTY TO HIS CONVENIENCE. 
          THEN CODE COMPLIANCE COMES IN SLAPPING THEM LEFT AND RIGHT WITH ALL THESE FINES AND DISCRETIONS THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKEN CARE OF IN A TIMELY MATTER. 
          THEY JUST TURN AROUND AND LAUGH AT CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          THEY STILL SIT THERE AND HAVE THEIR MAINTENANCE MAN BULLY ALL THE TENANTS WHO LIVE THERE AND WANNA VOICE THEIR RIGHTS. 
          I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE ON THEIR MAINTENANCE MAN FOR BULLYING ME, FOR TRYING TO TAUNT ME, FOR TRYING TO PUT MY LIFE AND MY BLIND FIANCE'S LIFE IN JEOPARDY BY MESSING WITH THE BREAKER BOX TO WHERE IF YOU WOULD TURN JUST ONE APPLIANCE TOO MUCH, THAT BREAKER BOX WOULD TURN OFF AUTOMATICALLY. 
          SO I WASN'T AFRAID. 
          I WAS AFRAID TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, MS. NEGA. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING ME, AND Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          CRYSTAL MOTA FOLLOWED BY PRESTON SONGS. 
          GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMAN ROT GARCIA PLANNING COMMITTEE. 
          UM, I WANNA CLARIFY THE CHRIS, THE NAME IS CRYSTAL MOYA. 
          I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE TYPO. 
          YES. 
          I JUST REALIZED THAT . 
          NO WORRIES. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          UM, MY NAME IS CRYSTAL MOYA. 
          I'M THE REGIONAL VICE PRESIDENT WITH THE N R P GROUP AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, PRO DEVELOPER AND PROVIDER HERE IN CROSS TEXAS, BUT PRIMARILY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO 5,000 UNITS IN SAN ANTONIO ALONE, AND WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP. 
          UM, TODAY, HOWEVER, I'M HERE ON BEHALF NOT ONLY OF N R P, BUT THE SAN ANTONIO APARTMENT ASSOCIATIONS IN, IN REGARDS TO THE DISCUSSION ON PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS. 
          SO FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY, AND I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE BEHIND ME WHO'S, UM, HAS MY BACK. 
          UH, QUITE HONESTLY, COMMITTEE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DEFEND THE UNDEF DEFENDABLE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SITUATIONS THAT HAPPEN THAT WE CANNOT CONTROL. 
          HOWEVER, WE ALSO WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE 
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OUR ASSOCIATION MEMBERS. 
          AND IN REGARDS TO THE PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE STAKEHOLDER, UM, THE STAKEHOLDERS AS RECOMMENDED BY CITY STAFF. 
          WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALL THE TIME IN REGARDS TO AFFORDABILITY, IN REGARDS TO, UM, HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS. 
          IN REGARDS TO DEMOGRAPHICS. 
          THERE'S MANY OTHER ORDINANCES OR POLICIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ADDRESS THOSE CONVERSATIONS. 
          BUT TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE COMPLIANCE, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER TO HAVE THE ACCURATE REPRESENTATION ON THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP, MEANING TO INCLUDE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE INDUSTRY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, INDIVIDUAL OWNERS AND WHATNOT. 
          SO WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT AND WE CAN OFFER, UM, RELIABLE INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO WHAT OWNERS AND MANAGERS HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT GOES WITHOUT STATING THAT WE HAVE CONFRONTED SO MANY ISSUES THAT NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN BEFORE, SUCH AS THE PANDEMIC. 
          WE HAD STORM ERIE THAT CAME RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE SHORTAGES OF SUPPLIES, WE HAVE INFLATION, WE HAVE STAFFING ISSUES, THINGS THAT EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY IS GOING THROUGH, SO ARE APARTMENT OWNERS. 
          AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A LANDLORD RESIDENT ISSUE. 
          THIS IS A SOCIETY ISSUE. 
          EVERYTHING THAT IMPACTS US, ANY CHANGES THAT WE MAKE TO THE, TO THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS IMPACTS EVERYONE AS A WHOLE. 
          BECAUSE WE NOT ONLY EMPLOY THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WE EMPLOY, EMPLOY OTHERS IN SOCIETY. 
          OUR LANDSCAPERS, OUR PAINTERS, OUR AC CONTRACTORS, EVERYONE THAT PROVIDES SUPPLIES AND SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITIES ARE IMPACTED BY THE DECISIONS COMMITTEES SUCH AS YOURSELF MAKE EVERY DAY. 
          SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU CONSIDER THE IMPACT THAT, THAT THESE DECISIONS MAKE. 
          AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT, UM, FOLKS AT THE TABLE WHEN MAKING THE DECISIONS IN REGARD TO A PROACTIVE INSPECTION. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CRYSTAL PRESTON SONGS FOLLOWED BY NATHAN ROBINSON, PRESTON SONGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS MR. SONGS. 
          HE'S YIELDING HIS TIME TO ME SO I CAN SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          MR. SONGS. 
          HE'S MY FIANCE. 
          HE'S LEGALLY BLIND. 
          YES. 
          HE'S ALSO A FORMAL RESIDENT AT SEVEN OAKS. 
          AND YOU HEARD OUR LIVING ARRANGEMENTS AND MY THREE MINUTE SPEECH, AND ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR MY BIRTHDAY TODAY, IS THAT MS. CAST CASTILLO CONTINUE AND WANTING TO ENFORCE THIRD OPTION THAT MR. ERIC WALSH HAD MENTIONED ON HAVING ALL LANDLORDS IN A REGISTRY TO PAY FOR FEES TO GET THEIR PROPERTIES INSPECTED BY CODE COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY HAVE LABELED THEMSELVES AS BAD LANDLORDS AND HE WOULD LIKE TO FINISH UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          YES. 
          UM, EXCUSE MS. UM, PRESTON. 
          SO, UH, THEY AIN'T GOT, UH, SO BAD OVER THERE. 
          UH, IT'S SOMETHING I NEVER HAD IN MY WHOLE LIFE UNTIL I MOVED THERE. 
          UH, YESTERDAY I WENT TO THE DOCTOR AND, UH, THE DOCTOR SAID I GOT, UM, P SS D PT, T P P T S D MM-HMM. 
           FROM EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD TO EXPERIENCE BEING AT SEVEN OAKS TENANTS. 
          UH, I KNOW HOW THEY WAS TREATING US BACK THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP TURNING THE WATER OFF. 
          UH, UH, NO, THE AIR CONDITION KEEP GOING OUT, SWEATING. 
          WE GOT TO FURNISH OUR OWN AIR CONDITION. 
          THEY, THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, THEY THROW THOSE ON THE, ON THE CURB ON THE SIDE. 
          THERE WASN'T NOBODY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT LIKE, THEY WANT THE CASH MONEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT KNOW THAT HOUSING OR NOTHING. 
          THEY WANT MONEY, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          HE JUST FELT HIS RIGHTS AS A US CITIZENS WERE BEING, TOOK HIM TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. 
          IF HE WAS PAYING WITH THE DIME, THEY SAW IT AS A PENNY. 
          IF HE WAS PAYING WITH A QUARTER, THEY SAW IT AS A NICKEL. 
          SO WE WERE NOT GI WE WERE NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DESERVED WHERE WE WERE LIVING. 
          AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
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THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. SONGS. 
          UM, NATHAN ROBINSON, FOLLOWED BY SYLVIA FLORES. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          COMMIT. 
          I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. 
          MY NAME IS NATHAN ROBINSON. 
          I AM A MEMBER OF TOP ORGANIZATION FROM DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          THIS IS VERY PASSIONATE TO ME, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO TAKE MY TIME. 
          MY FIGHT IS AGAINST LANDLORDS THAT ARE NOT BEING ACCOUNTABLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THEIR RESIDENTS. 
          I HAVE EXPERIENCED AND I HAVE SEEN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN INHUMANE, BUT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO HAVE YOU LANDLORDS ACCOUNTABLE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT I BELIEVE IF WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF REGISTRY TO MAYBE TRACK ALL LANDLORDS, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO INTERACT, MAYBE TO INTERVENE WHERE WE CAN TRACK 'EM. 
          I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW IT'S HAPPENING ABROAD AND THE THINGS I HAVE EXPERIENCED IS HAVING NO, SIR, PEOPLE THERE ARE STILL WITH OUR AIR CONDITION, THEY'VE BEEN THERE ALL YEAR LONG. 
          CODE ENFORCEMENT IS INVOLVED AND THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP. 
          BUT WE KNOW THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO IS ONLY SO MUCH AND ALWAYS GONNA GO BACK TO ACHIEVE INVESTMENTS. 
          WE NEED TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR SEVEN THOSE, BUT YET WE STILL NEED TO LOOK OUT ABROAD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. ROBINSON. 
          SYLVIA FLORES, FOLLOWED BY ROSE CRUZ. 
          SYLVIA FLORES. 
          SYLVIA FLORES IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE ROSE CRUZ. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY DEBORAH WATTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. CRUZ. 
          UH, GOOD MORNING. 
          AND HELLO, MY NAME IS ROSE CRUZ AND I REPRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          AND I AM A PROUD MEMBER OF THE TOP ORGANIZATION, TEXAS ORGANIZATION PROGRAM. 
          I FIGHT AS A MEMBER OF TOP BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN THE RIGHTS OF HUMAN BEINGS. 
          WHETHER WE ARE DISABLED ON SS, S I OR EVEN ON HOUSING, THEY HAVE TAUGHT US HOW TO FIGHT FOR OUR OWN RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEINGS. 
          I AM ACKNOWLEDGING THIS DAY THE REASON I AM HERE, AND THAT THERE IS AN URGENCY TO HAVE A NEED FOR A PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND THAT THERE IS A VITAL NEED FOR A DATABASE FOR ALL LANDLORDS TO REGISTER, UM, ON BEING THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH A LOT OF THINGS. 
          TODAY. 
          I HAVE BEEN LIVING AT SEVEN OAKS APARTMENTS FOR 11 AND A HALF MONTHS NOW. 
          AND ALL IT IS HAS BEEN THERE AND IT STILL IS NOW IS THE ONE TRACK MIND, WHICH IS MONEY. 
          AND OF COURSE, WITH THEIR NO CONCERN FOR THE WELLBEING OF ANY OF THEIR TENANTS, I AM SUMMING IT UP THAT I FEEL THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN TREATED FAIRLY OR WITH ANY KIND OF RESPECT JUST AS HUMAN BEINGS. 
          I AM IN MY HEART. 
          I PRAYED FOR SOMEONE OR FOR MANY TO COME AND HELP US WITH OUR PROBLEMS THAT WE ARE FACING AT SEVEN OAKS. 
          AND THEY DID. 
          AND THE REASON I CHOSE TO JOIN TOP ORGANA OR TOP ORGANIZATION WAS TO FIND A SOLUTION TO ALL THE MOLD, RUST LEAKS, NO AC AND MANY OTHER BAD CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE LIVING IN CURRENTLY. 
          AND ALSO, MY RIGHTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED AS A PERSON, AND THEY ARE HARASSING ME AND RETALIATING AGAINST ME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET ME OUT. 
          SO, UM, THE BENEFIT OF A PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD REASSURE US ALL THAT THESE BAD CONDITIONS WILL GET FIXED PROPERLY AND WITHOUT THE LIMITATIONS, THE LIMITATIONS OF MAINTENANCE, JUST TRYING TO PATCH THINGS UP. 
          I HAVE SET THE LORD ALWAYS BEFORE ME, BECAUSE GOD IS AT MY RIGHT HAND. 
          I SHALL NOT BE MOVED. 
          PSALM 16, 18. 
          16, EIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WOMAN CASTILLO FOR KEEPING THE URGENCY NEED TO FOR A DATABASE FOR ALL LANDLORDS TO REGISTER AND FOR ALL BAD LANDLORDS TO FUND CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MS. CRUZ. 
          DEBRA WATTS, FOLLOWED BY PEDRO AGUILAR. 
          HELLO, MY NAME'S DEBORAH WATTS. 
          UM, I'M A MEMBER OF TOPS, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          UH, WE ARE FIGHTING FOR, UH, TOPS. 
          I'M, WE ARE ALL FIGHTING FOR TOPS. 
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AND SO ANYTHING THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION AND, UH, FOR JUSTICE AND, UH, WE ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, THE COMMENTS OF THE, UH, COURT ENFORCEMENT AND THE DATABASE OF THE LANDLORD, YOU KNOW, TO, TO REGISTER. 
          UM, I'M SHARING MY STORY FOR SEVEN OAKS, AND SO NOTHING BECAUSE I HAVE HEALTH PROBLEMS. I'M DIABETIC AND I'M ALSO, UH, UM, UM, HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. 
          I'M ON A MACHINE AND, UM, UM, I HAVE COMP TUNNELS IN MY HANDS AND EVERYTHING. 
          THEY DON'T WANT US THERE. 
          AND SO NOTHING BECAUSE THEY NOT ACCEPTING SECTION EIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEY, THEY WOULD TELL US TO GET OUT. 
          THEY WOULDN'T RESPECT OUR FEELINGS ABOUT, UH, US BEING, BEING, UH, THERE AS A RESIDENT. 
          AND WE, UH, TURN AROUND AND END UP, UH, TRYING TO, UM, WORK WITH THEM. 
          AND SO THAT THING, YOU KNOW, AND TRYING TO, UH, TALK TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, LET US STAY LONGER UNTIL SECTION EIGHT HAD A PLACE FOR US TO MOVE. 
          WELL, UM, THEY, UH, WOULD, WOULD JUST BE, UM, UM, THE, JUST, JUST RULY. 
          AND SO THAT THING, AND, AND, AND NEXT DOOR WHERE I STAY AT, THEY HAVE A, A PERSON THERE THAT, THAT'S, UM, UM, THEY SAY THAT NOBODY'S THERE AND SO THING REALLY, BUT IT'S REALLY SOMEBODY THERE. 
          AND SO THING, I THINK IT'S THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE. 
          AND, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, WEEDED AND CRACK GOING THROUGH THE, UH, VENT. 
          AND SO THAT THING, YOU KNOW, AND I KEEP ON TELLING THEM, NOW I'M GONNA CALL THE LAW. 
          AND SO THAT THING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY VIOLATING THEIR, UH, UH, UM, UM, VIOLATING OUR TERRITORY. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE BEING, UH, UM, UH, JUST DISRESPECTFUL. 
          AND SO THAT THING, SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANNA SMELL THAT STUFF. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, WE NEED YOUR HELP. 
          AND SO THAT THING AND, AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND SO ANYTHING TO, TO KNOW THAT, UH, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE NOT ALONE. 
          AND SO ANYTHING IN THIS, BECAUSE, UH, THIS RIGHT HERE IS A FIGHTING BATTLE THAT WE HAVE TO DO. 
          AND THANK YOU MS. WATTS. 
          YES. 
          PEDRO AGUILA, FOLLOWED BY ASHTON CONDE, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME ADDRESS YOU. 
          MY NAME IS PEDRO EILA. 
          I LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE IN SOUTHWEST IN, UH, SOUTH POINT APARTMENTS. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO COME AND TALK TO Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY GENERATION, MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORKED HARD ALL THESE YEARS TO, TO SUR TO SURVIVE. 
          AND WE'VE ALSO PUT MONEY AWAY TO, FOR THESE TIMES WHEN WE GET OLDER. 
          AND IT'S NOT FAIR FOR LANDLORDS TO PUSH US OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T MEET THEIR STANDARDS OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THEY TALK TO US LIKE WE'RE NOBODY. 
          BUT THEY NEED TO REALIZE, AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE THAT WE DO NOT WORK FOR THEM. 
          THEY WORK FOR US. 
          WE PAY OUR RENT. 
          AND IT'S NOT RIGHT FOR US TO LIVE, UH, WITHOUT ELECTRICITY. 
          I HAD NEIGHBORS THAT'S JUST GONE THROUGH THAT WE HAD ELECTRICITY FOR ALL WEEKEND, LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          NO, IT'S BEEN LIKE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, ALL WEEKEND. 
          UH, THE BACK PART OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX DIDN'T HAVE A ELECTRICITY. 
          AND THERE'S OLDER PEOPLE THAT ARE ON OXYGEN THAT NEEDS THEIR MACHINES. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF MEDICAL STUFF THAT WE NEED TO BE, AND WHEN THESE LANDLORDS ARE NOT WHOLE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE JUST THE EVERYDAY THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR, LIKE ELECTRICITY AND WATER, TO, TO TAKE A BATH AND TO BE CLEAN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORKED HARD ALL OF OUR LIVES. 
          WE DESERVE TO BE TREATED 
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LIKE HUMANS AND NOT TO BE TREATED LIKE SOMEBODY THAT, THAT'S JUST READY TO THROW OUT IN THE STREET. 
          LIKE WE'RE NOBODY. 
          SO I AM PROUD OF BECOME A PART OF THE ORGANIZATION TOPS AND WITHOUT THIS ORGANIZATION HELPING US OUT, PEOPLE LIKE ME, WE WOULD BE OUT IN THE STREETS. 
          SO WE COME TO Y'ALL ASKING Y'ALL TO HOLD THESE LANDLORDS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          THANK YOU FOR MY TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. AGUILA. 
          ASHTON, CONDE? NOT HERE. 
          NOT HERE. 
          NOT HERE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DID SYLVIA FLORES MAKE IT IN? NO. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, THAT CONCLUDES OUR LIST OF SCHEDULED SPEAKERS. 
          THANKS EVERYONE FOR, FOR COMING IN AND, AND GIVING YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND, AND YOUR CONCERNS, UM, TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL. 
          WAIT, WAIT. 
          ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IF POSSIBLY, DID YOU, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WAS MISS RE? DID I MISS SOMEONE ON THE LIST? YEAH. 
          ONE COMING RIGHT NOW THAT WAS ON THE, WAS YOUR NAME ON THE LIST? DID YOU SIGN UP TO SPEAK? NO. 
          ASHLEY, WHAT WAS, UH, ASHLEY , UH, SIGNING UP AS THE REPRESENTATIVE ON HERE TO REPLACE HIM? NO, NO, NOT SIGN UP TO . 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE WILL START, WE 
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WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON, UH, CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUESTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, SANDOVAL AND CASTILLO REGARDING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON FLOODING AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          SO WE WILL START WITH THAT. 
          AND PRESENTING TODAY IS ROBERT RAYNA LOOKS LIKE? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UP AND DOWN. 
          IF YOU WANT SLIDE, YOU CAN JUST TYPE IT IN. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S NO, UH, OR ANYTHING. 
          HI, GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S ROBERT REYNA. 
          I AM THE, UH, INTERIM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR REPUBLIC WORKS, UH, OVERSEEING THE STORMWATER DIVISION. 
          UH, AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY ABOUT A C C R, ABOUT ESTABLISHING AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON FLOODING AND STORMWATER. 
          SO, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON, ON, ON THE ORIGINATION WHERE THIS CAME FROM, UH, PART OF THE 2022 BOND PROCESS, UH, THERE WAS A COMMITTEE THAT OVERSAW THAT PROCESS GO THROUGH FOR DRAINAGE. 
          UH, ONCE THAT COMMITTEE WAS DONE, THEY OFFERED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ONE OF THEM IS THAT, UH, THEY SORT OF FELT OVERWHELMED DURING THE PROCESS THAT IT WAS, IT WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY SINK INTO THESE DRAINAGE PROJECTS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON, HOW WE CAME ABOUT SELECTING THEM. 
          SO THEY WERE RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE MORE OF A LONG-TERM, UH, INVOLVEMENT BY, BY THE CITIZENS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS. 
          THEY WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT 'EM, UH, BE INCREASE THAT AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING, AND HOW DO WE COME TO CHOOSE THESE PROJECTS INSTEAD OF THOSE PROJECTS. 
          UH, AND THEN ALSO TO PROMOTE SOME, SOME PROACTIVE OR COMPREHENSIVE POLICIES, RIGHT? REGULATIONS FOR THE CITY THAT MAY BE INVESTIGATED AS WELL. 
          SO THIS COMMITTEE, THIS PROPOSED COMMITTEE WILL HAVE THREE OBJECTIVES, UH, AND AS, UH, PROPOSED BY, UH, COUNCIL PERSON, SANDOVAL AND CASTILLO, THAT C C R. 
          UH, THE THREE OBJECTIVES ARE GONNA BE TO ADVISE CITY COUNCIL AND THE STAFF ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN. 
          NOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 400 PROJECTS IN OUR DATABASE. 
          OVER 400 PROJECTS OF $3.2 BILLION NEED RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ENOUGH, UH, FUNDING RESOURCES. 
          UH, SO WE TRY TO DO THOSE PROJECTS OF WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN FOCUS ON. 
          SO, UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS MASTER PLAN LOOKS LIKE, UH, AND TO GET THEIR ADVICE ON, ON ANY OF THOSE PRIORITIZATIONS. 
          UH, THAT LEADS US INTO THE OBJECTIVE NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS, UH, TO, UNTIL A, A TRANSPARENT PROCESS, RIGHT? WE GET ASKED, UH, WHY DO WE SELECT THIS PROJECT? INSTEAD OF THAT PROJECT? UH, THERE'S, UH, VERY LITTLE FUNDING COMPARED TO THE NEED. 
          SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRATEGIC IN HOW WE PICK THOSE PROJECTS. 
          UH, IT CAN BE KIND OF COMPLICATED. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL ASPECT INVOLVED. 
          UH, PART OF THAT IS GONNA BE OUR PROJECT SCORING CRITERIA. 
          WE DO HAVE A SCORING CRITERIA AND, AND HOW WE SEPARATE OUR HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS FROM THE LOWER PRIORITY PROJECTS. 
          BUT, UH, IT'S GOOD TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH THIS COMMITTEE, AND SO THEY CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK ON, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON 
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CERTAIN TYPES OF PROJECTS VERSUS OTHER TYPES OF PROJECTS. 
          UH, PART OF THIS COMPONENT IS GONNA BE AN EDUCATIONAL OR CURRICULUM THAT THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO LEARN, UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE TYPES OF FUNDING, UH, THAT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE OUT THERE. 
          UH, THE TYPES OF FLOODING THAT WE HAVE, THE TYPES OF SOLUTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED. 
          UH, SO ALL THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF SOME EDUCATION PROCESS AS WELL. 
          SO, SO THEY CAN GIVE US THAT FEEDBACK. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE CITY POLICIES, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. 
          WHAT KIND OF REGULATIONS DOES THE CITY HAVE TO IMPROVE FLOODING OR TO PREVENT IT FROM GETTING ANY WORSE? UH, WE WANNA EVALUATE THOSE AND, AND RESEARCH TO SEE MAYBE THOSE CAN BE, UH, APPROVED UPON AS WELL. 
          SO WITH THAT, UH, PRESENT TO YOU THE, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE SWIMMAC, UH, COMMITTEE. 
          THIS COMMITTEE, UH, WOULD BE MADE UP OF 13, UH, INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. 
          NOW, THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES IS THE APPROACH, UH, THAT WE'RE TAKING IS NOT FROM A CITY COUNCIL APPROACH, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT APPROACH. 
          UH, THE REQUEST FROM THE C C R WAS TO TAKE IT FROM A WATERSHED APPROACH. 
          SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE AREAS AND HAVE THOSE DRAINAGE AREAS REPRESENT THEMSELVES AS A GROUP. 
          UH, SO IT KIND OF TAKES, IT KIND OF TAKES A SEAT BACK TO THAT. 
          AND, AND IT FOCUSES ON WHERE THE MOST NEED IS. 
          UH, UNDER THAT SWIM ACT COMMITTEE, THERE'S GONNA BE, UH, SOME WORKING GROUPS. 
          YOU MIGHT WANNA CALL 'EM SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A WORKING GROUPS THAT, UH, REPRESENT THOSE DRAINAGE AREAS. 
          AND THEY'LL MEET, OF COURSE, UH, TO DISCUSS SPECIFICALLY, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          UM, TWO YEAR APPOINTMENTS, WE'RE THINKING, UH, NO TERM LIMITS, AND THEN, UH, MONTHLY MEETINGS, UH, TO GO ALONG WITH THOSE. 
          UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WE WILL HAVE SOME TECHNICAL ADVISORY SUPPORTS, UH, TALKING FROM OBVIOUSLY, UH, US HERE AT PUBLIC WORKS, UH, BEXAR COUNTY RIVER AUTHORITY, TXDOT. 
          SO ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE NEED, UH, SOME SPECIAL ADVISORIES, WE'LL INVITE THEM TO PARTICIPATE, UH, ON THIS AS WELL. 
          SO HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, THE 13 SWIM ACT MEMBERS. 
          AND, UH, UH, IT, IT'S GONNA GET, YOU HAVE TO BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. 
          UH, WE'LL GO INTO MORE DETAILS. 
          WE, IT'LL MAKE MORE CLEAR WHEN I SHOW YOU A MAP AS WELL. 
          BUT, UH, THE THREE MAJOR DRAINAGE AREAS BREAK UP SAN ANTONIO INTO THREE MAJOR PARTS. 
          UH, ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SATO AND CLOW CREEK WATERSHEDS. 
          SO GEOGRAPHICALLY, THOSE, UH, WATERSHEDS MOSTLY PERTAIN TO DISTRICTS TWO, NINE AND 10. 
          UH, WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, THOSE, UH, MAJOR WATERSHEDS OVER THERE IS CALLED THE LEON AND MEDINA RIVER. 
          AND GEOGRAPHICALLY, THAT MAKES UP PREDOMINANTLY DISTRICTS FOUR, SIX, AND EIGHT. 
          AND THEN IN THE CENTER DOWN THE SAN ANTONIO IS, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO WATERSHED, PREDOMINANTLY OF DISTRICTS ONE, THREE, AND FIVE. 
          SO THE MAKEUP SO FAR OF THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE, FIRST OF ALL, THE CHAIR, WHICH WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 
          AND, UH, PRE PREDOMINANTLY WERE, WERE SUGGESTED TO YOU THAT CHAIR BE INVOLVED, OR A MEMBER OF THE 2022 BOND COMMITTEE WHERE THIS ORIGINALLY CAME FROM. 
          SO ANYBODY IN THAT DRAINAGE COMMITTEE, UH, COULD BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. 
          UH, ALL THOSE WATERSHED REPRESENTATIVES THAT I JUST DISCUSSED WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THOSE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS. 
          UH, AND THEN THAT LAST, UH, THREE POSITIONS, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THAT IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN A PREDOMINANTLY WATERSHED. 
          IT'S KIND OF SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN TWO. 
          UH, BUT TO HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION THERE, DISTRICT SEVEN WOULD, UH, HAVE, HAVE, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE. 
          AND THEN THESE LAST TWO REPRESENTATIVES, UH, THE, THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT, UM, THESE DRAINAGE PROJECTS HAVE A GREAT IMPACT, UH, IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE FEEL THAT THEY FELT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE A VOICE IN, IN THIS, AND ALSO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT TO OUR DRAINAGE PROJECT. 
          SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM, UH, TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS, UH, AS WELL, THIS KIND OF, UH, I DON'T HAVE A POINTER HERE, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, BUT IF I CAN JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE HERE. 
          THE, UH, YOU SEE THE, THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL DISTRICTS ARE, ARE OUTLINED THERE IN THE, IN THE BLACK LINES. 
          AND OF COURSE, THESE ARE THE, THE INCLUDES THE REDISTRICTING, UH, UPCOMING. 
          UH, BUT THE MAIN COLORS, IF I CAN POINT YOU INTO THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE LEFT SIDE, THAT BIG GREEN AREA, RIGHT, THE GREEN, UH, AND THEN THAT, UH, SORT OF DARK BLUE. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO WATERSHEDS OF THE MEDINA AND LEON. 
          SO MEDINA WATERSHED IS ALL THAT DARK GREEN AREA. 
          AND THEN THE DARK BLUE IS THE LEON. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BIGGER MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE TWO AREAS MOSTLY ENCOMPASS EIGHT, SIX, AND FOUR. 
          OF COURSE, WITH DISTRICT SEVEN, THERE BEING SPLIT, UH, ON, AGAIN, ON THE EAST SIDE OR NORTHEAST SIDE, YOU HAVE THE PINK AREAS, UH, AND THE RED. 
          SO THAT IS THE SATO AND SILLA WATERSHEDS. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THERE AT NINE, 10 AND TWO, PREDOMINANTLY TAKE UP, UH, THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WITH, UH, ONE, FIVE AND THREE. 
          SO THAT KIND OF BREAKS IT DOWN INTO, INTO THOSE THREE MAJOR DRAINAGE AREAS. 
          SO GOING INTO THE INDIVIDUAL WATERSHED, WORKING GROUPS, OR THE SUBCOMMITTEES, THOSE WOULD BE THE 
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SORT OF ANY DISTRICT THAT IS INSIDE THOSE WATERSHEDS WOULD BE REPRESENTED IN THAT WORKING GROUP. 
          SO FOR THE SATO AND CILLO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, BEFORE ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE, UH, YOU CAN SEE NINE, 10, AND TWO THERE. 
          UH, BUT IT ALSO TOUCHES, UH, DISTRICTS THREE. 
          SO THEY WOULD BE UNREPRESENTED ON THERE. 
          UH, SAME THING FOR THE LEON WATERSHED. 
          AND THEN ON THE SAN ANTONIO WATERSHED, UH, IT'S A UNIQUE IN THAT IT TOUCHES ACTUALLY EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL DISTRICT IN THAT CENTER, UH, WATERSHED THERE. 
          SO THEY WOULD ALL BE REPRESENTED IN THE SAN ANTONIO WATERSHED. 
          UH, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVES WOULD ALSO BE A PART OF THOSE WORKING GROUPS IN EACH OF THOSE WATERSHEDS. 
          NOW, THE SELECTION OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, UH, WILL BE UP TO THE APPOINTED, UH, MEMBERS OF THE SWIM ACT COMMITTEE. 
          SO THE SWIM ACT APPOINTEE, LET'S SAY IN, UH, IN DISTRICT THREE, CAN DECIDE TO SIT ON ALL OF THESE THREE WORKING WATERSHED GROUPS. 
          THEY CAN SIT ON THE SATO AND THE LEON, OR, AND THE WATERSHED, OR THEY CAN APPOINT SOMEBODY, ALL HAVE AN ALTERNATE TO SET ON THOSE THREE COMMITTEES. 
          SO IT'LL BE UP TO, UP TO THAT APPOINTEE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          SAME THING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND REPRESENTATIVE. 
          AND, UH, UH, THEY CAN EITHER DECIDE TO SET ON ALL THREE OR HAVE A, AN ALTERNATE, UH, IN THAT PLACE. 
          SO THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD VARY. 
          IT JUST DEPENDS. 
          IT COULD BE IF EVERYBODY WANTED TO DO, UH, JUST A SWIM ACT COMMITTEE TO HANDLE EVERYTHING THEY COULD, AND THERE'D BE ONLY 13 MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          IF EVERY MEMBER WANTED TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE, THEN THE TOTAL MEMBERSHIP WOULD BE ABOUT 39, UH, 39 PEOPLE. 
          SO IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS, BUT IT GIVES THAT FLEXIBILITY OF REPRESENTATION. 
          THE WAY WE UNDERSTAND THESE SORT OF, UH, RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE WORKING GROUPS AND THE SWIM ACT COMMITTEE, UH, IS THAT THE WORKING GROUPS ARE FOCUSED ON THEIR WATERSHEDS. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE TYPE OF ISSUES, THREE ONE ONES, WHAT TYPE OF DRAINAGE ISSUES ARE WE HAVING? AND THEY BRING UP THOSE TO THE SWIM ACT COMMITTEE AS A DISCUSSION SO THEY CAN HAVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, OR APPROVALS, UH, INVOLVING WITH THE CITY, UH, THE, THE WATERSHED WORKING GROUPS. 
          ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE LIKE THE WATERSHED WORKING GROUPS WOULD, UH, TALK ABOUT THEIR, THEIR PRIORITIES IN THOSE WATERSHEDS, WHAT ARE THEIR PRIORITIES ON THE PROJECTS WITHIN THAT WATERSHED. 
          BUT ON THE SWIM ACT COMMITTEE, IT'S AS A CITY, WHAT IS OUR PRIORITY AS A CITY. 
          SO THERE'S A, THAT'S HOW IT, THAT'S HOW IT DIFFERS IN THAT, UH, OF COURSE THE SUB WATERSHEDS TOO WOULD ALSO BE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. 
          THEY CAN GO IN DETAIL ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE ACTIVELY GOING ON BOND PROJECTS, DRAINAGE PROJECTS, COUNTY PROJECTS, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THEM, HOW ARE THEY, HOW ARE THEY MOVING ALONG? WHAT'S THEIR SCHEDULE? WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE FACING? UH, WHEREAS ON THE SWIMMAC COMMITTEE, IT'S MORE OF AN OVERALL, WE HAVE 37 ACTIVE PROJECTS GOING ACROSS THE CITY. 
          10 OF THEM ARE IN CONSTRUCTION, 12 OF THEM ARE IN DESIGN. 
          SO MORE OF AN OVERALL, UM, UH, ASPECT. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES. 
          AND OUR TIMELINE, AS I MENTIONED, THIS WAS BACK IN MARCH. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS PUT TOGETHER WITH A C C R, UH, IN MAY. 
          IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, TO THE GOVERNANCE, UH, COMMITTEE, AND WHICH REFERRED US OVER HERE TO PLANNING. 
          SO THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, ON THIS, REACHING OUT TO SOME, SOME COUNCIL DISTRICTS. 
          AND, UH, IF IT GETS APPROVED TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, THEN WE'LL, WE WILL LOOK FOR A COUNCIL A SESSION PROBABLY IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIMEFRAME. 
          ALRIGHT, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, ROBERT, I APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, YOUR WORK ON THIS, AND THANK YOU, UH, FOR, FOR MY BRIEFING THE OTHER DAY. 
          AND I WANNA THANK COUNCILMAN CASTILLO AND SANDOVAL FOR CREATING THE C C R. 
          I THINK THAT OUR ENTIRE CITY FACES SOME IMMENSE CHALLENGES WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PROPER DRAINAGE, BUT WE DO HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT SOME AREAS HAVE IT WORSE. 
          AND I KNOW THAT I'VE, I'VE MET WITH SEVERAL RESIDENTS AND I EXPLAINED HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IT TAKES JUST IN THEIR AREA FOR DRAINAGE, AND THEY JUST FREAK OUT, RIGHT? SO IT WOULD TAKE A LIFETIME, I SAY LITERALLY SOMEONE'S LIFETIME TO FIX SOME OF THEIR DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          SO I DO WANNA THANK MY, MY COLLEAGUES FOR BRINGING THIS UP. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL GAVE US A COPY OF WEST SIDE RISING. 
          AND SO IN THAT, CHAD MILLER WRITES ABOUT A DEVASTATING FLOOD THAT HAPPENED IN 1921. 
          UM, AND OUR CITY LEADERS, UH, WERE QUICK TO PROPOSE A MASSIVE PROJECT, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW AS THE ALMOST DAM. 
          AND SO IT WAS ONLY AFTER YEARS THAT IT WAS, UH, CONSTRUCTED THAT THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC BOOM IN THE OVALS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. 
          AND DESPITE VERY FEW RESOURCES GOING TO THE WEST SIDE, DRAINAGE PROJECT SEIZED TO BE AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS. 
          RIGHT? SO I THINK THIS IS THE, THE START OF SOME OF THOSE INNOVATIVE TALKS THAT WE COULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO. 
          BUT WHILE DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE BASED ON ECONOMIC FACTORS IN THE PAST, OR WERE, UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE MOVING IN A GOOD DIRECTION, IN A NEW DIFFERENT DIRECTION, THAT THE COMMITTEE'S GONNA HELP PRIORITIZE SOME OF THE PROJECTS, UM, ON NEED. 
          AND SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THE MOST, UH, FUNDAMENTAL QUALIFYING FACTORS AND, AND INSTEAD OF PRIORITIZING BASED ON ECONOMIC BOOMS. UM, BUT, SO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMAN CASTILLOS, AND SHE'S ONE OF THE 
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DRAFTERS OF THE C C R. 
          AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW WITH COUNCILWOMAN VRAN. 
          COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, ROBERT, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          AND TO THE FOLKS, THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          UM, I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL IN THAT THIS IS AN ITEM THAT WAS PUT FORTH BY THE 2022 BOND COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. 
          SO WE HAD, UH, EACH OF OUR APPOINTEES, UM, WHO WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, US TO TAKE A WATERSHED APPROACH TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE, UM, AS IMPACTFUL AS WE CAN BE. 
          I KNOW NEPHI'S NO LONGER WITH THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT HE HAS HAD BEEN A WEALTH OF INFORMATION AND WALKING ME THROUGH, UH, THE IMPACTS IN DIFFERENT WATERSHEDS. 
          SO THANKFUL FOR HIM AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, RIGHT, UH, CONS, ANAS SANDOVAL AND HER TEAM PUT IN A LOT OF, UH, WORK INTO THE C C R, GRATEFUL FOR THEM. 
          AND I HAVE NO CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE CURRENT PRESENTATION. 
          OUR BIGGEST ASK WAS FOR THE STEERING COMMITTEE TO BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO SINGLE MEMBER, UH, DISTRICT REPRESENTATION AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, RIGHT? WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, UH, DECADES AND SO MUCH MONEY TO TACKLE THESE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WITH A WATERSHED APPROACH, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRIORITIZE BASED OFF OF, UM, THE WATERSHED RATHER THAN THE AREA, RIGHT? AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE, UM, AND PONDING WITHIN OUR DISTRICTS. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I, I, I, I'M LOOK INTERESTED IN DISCUSSION, BUT I MOVE TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO FULL COUNCIL. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. 
          WE'LL CONTINUE THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMAN BRAN. 
          UH, I WAS NOT ONE OF THE SEVERAL DISTRICTS THAT WAS CONSULTED ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
          I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. 
          I DO NOT THINK IT WENT THROUGH THE EQUITY LENS. 
          UM, VERY UPSET AT THE STRUCTURE THAT DISTRICT THREE ONLY GETS ONE, UH, SEAT ON THE SWIMMAC COMMITTEE. 
          IT FLOWS SOUTH. 
          I HAVE THE LARGEST DISTRICT IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          I HAVE, I AM LOOKING AT PUTTING A REPRESENTATIVE ON EACH, BECAUSE I CAN'T JUST PUT ONE PERSON AND ASK THEM TO DO THIS WORK ON EACH OF THE WATERSHED COMMITTEES, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE THREE OPINIONS AND, AND, AND MOVE IT TO THE SWIMMAC. 
          AND I'M, MY EXPECTATION IS TO BE TREATED EQUALLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO I'M GONNA LOOK TO MAKE AMENDMENTS THAT I CAN EITHER PLACE MYSELF ON THIS COMMITTEE OR MY STAFF, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS NOT FAIR. 
          THIS IS, THIS JUST, I, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS COMING FROM. 
          SOME OF IT CAME FROM MY COMMITTEE, BUT THIS IS NOT GONNA ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT ARE HEADING SOUTH AND MY DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          AND SO, UH, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN CONSULTED ON THE COMMITTEE STRUCTURE. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHEN WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS REGARDING WHAT PROJECTS I NEED DETAILS, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE DISTRICT THREE IS GONNA GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK AGAIN. 
          AND, UH, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT, IT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN VRAN. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN RAVO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN YOU ALL BRING UP THAT, THAT MAP AGAIN, THAT SHOWED THE DIFFERENT DRAINAGE AREAS IN WHICH COMMITTEES, UM, I GUESS PEOPLE ARE GONNA SIT ON, BECAUSE I, I GUESS WHAT, UH, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS CONCEPT. 
          I, BUT I THINK, UM, I WAS HAVING SOME SIMILAR THOUGHTS TO COUNCILWOMAN VIA GRANT, AND I WAS WONDERING, I'M LOOKING AT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, I THINK FOR THE SATO CREEK WATERSHED, WHAT I SAW WAS EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT, OH, NO, I'M SORRY, MAYBE IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER UPPER WATERSHED. 
          EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT HAS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THERE. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND LOOKING AT HOW MUCH, UH, OF THE DISTRICT IS IN THAT WATERSHED. 
          AND I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, OKAY, IF YOU'RE, WHEN IT RAINS, IF YOU'RE COMPLETELY UNDERWATER AND DROWNING, YOU GET ONE REPRESENTATIVE. 
          UM, AND THEN, OR IF IT RAINS AND YOU GET ONE DROP OF WATER ON ONE TOE, YOU GET A REPRESENTATIVE, UM, BASED ON HOW MUCH YOU'RE IN THAT DIS IN THAT WATERSHED. 
          AND SO, I, I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CONCEPT, AND WE SH SHOULD, UM, BE DOING THIS. 
          I ALSO HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          CAN YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? SO THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVE, CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS THINKING OF IS WE SHOULD HAVE REPRESENTATIVES THAT CAN SPEAK TO, UM, UH, NATURE-BASED INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT WAS THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE, UH, IN THE 
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C C R, UH, THE COMMITTEE, THE DRAINAGE COMMITTEE FELT THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A VOICE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. 
          SO I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY. 
          SO THEY CAN, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, ENVIRONMENTAL CAN MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IS THE, IS THAT ANY MORE DEFINED? UH, I MEAN, AS FAR AS DRAINAGE, UH, IS CONCERNED, I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, THAT'S GONNA INVOLVE A LOT OF, UH, LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, UH, SORT OF, UH, WATER, UH, QUALITY, UH, ISSUES THAT WE CAN HELP. 
          IF WE DO A DRAINAGE PROJECT, WE CAN ADD SOME WATER QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE THAT'LL HELP CLEAN UP THE RIVER. 
          UH, SO FROM, FROM, SO I'M THINKING FROM THAT, I DON'T THINK, LIKE SAVING BIRDS OR, OR FUNCTIONS OF THAT ENVIRONMENTAL, BUT I THINK MORE OF THE WATER QUALITIES IS WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M THINKING. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE C C R CAME FROM. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I LIKE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING WATER QUALITY. 
          I GUESS I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE THAT HAS A BACKGROUND IN NATURE BASED INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO ADD THAT TO THE DISCUSSION. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GOES TO FULL COUNSEL AND WE FINALLY PASS IT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I JUST, I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATION IS ON EACH DISTRICT, BUT I, I DO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT AND I'M, UH, I GUESS INDIFFERENT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE, WE, UH, MAKE THOSE CHANGES BEFORE IT GOES TO FULL COUNSEL, OR IF WE REVISIT IT HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          BRAVO. 
          COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          I REALIZE, UH, THAT THE RIVERS ALL FLOW SOUTH. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT CAN MAKE A GREATER IMPACT IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY THAN IN MY PART OF TOWN. 
          BUT WE HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES ALL OVER, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE WAY OF TRYING TO LOOK AT THEM. 
          UH, FINAL DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE UP TO THIS COUNCIL FINAL DECISIONS ON WHETHER WE SET THIS COMMITTEE UP OR WHAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA BE A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE FROM NOW. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, EXCUSE ME, MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE'RE ACTING ON THIS. 
          AND, UH, SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'LL TAKE THE, UM, THE ITEM UP FOR VOTE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? NA ONE. 
          ONE. 
          OPPOSED. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND THANK YOU RAIN, UH, ROBERT, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          WE WILL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS A BRIEFING ON POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDED UPDATE TO CHAPTER SIX BUILDINGS BY ADOPTING THE PROPOSED 2021 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE BASED OFF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL AND INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MANAGE, UH, MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          MIKE SHANNON, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, MADAM CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, AS MENTIONED, I'M GONNA GIVE A, A QUICK PRESENTATION ON THE UPDATES, NOT ONLY ON, ON THIS ONE. 
          THIS ITEM IS THE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          I'LL FOLLOW IT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, BUILDING RELATED CODES, UH, THE DIFFERENCE ON THIS ONE. 
          AND THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE THIS IS, UH, HOW TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY MIGHT, HOW TO MAINTAIN EXISTING STRUCTURES ONCE THEY'RE BUILT, UM, AND OCCUPIED ARE USED. 
          UH, THE FOLLOWING ONE WILL BE HOW TO BUILD THINGS SAFELY, UM, OR RENOVATE EXISTING STRUCTURES. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL JUST GET STARTED HERE. 
          SO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE IS IN CHAPTER SIX OF THE CITY CODE. 
          UH, THE INTENT OF IT, OF COURSE, IS TO ENSURE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO THAT'S OUR GOAL, THAT'S OUR INTENT. 
          IT APPLIES TO ALL RESIDENTIAL, UH, AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. 
          THE AMENDMENT PROCESS IS DEFINED IN OUR CODE. 
          SO IN CHAPTER SIX, IT TELLS US, UH, THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THIS REGULARLY. 
          UH, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TALK A LOT ABOUT ON THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS, UH, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, PRODUCE THESE ON AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          WE LOOK AT THEM EVERY THREE YEARS TO SEE WHAT WE WANT TO UPDATE. 
          UH, WE'VE TENDED TO ADOPT THE LATEST AND GREATEST, UH, WE WOULD'VE BEEN HERE LAST YEAR. 
          THE PANDEMIC SLOWED EVERYTHING DOWN. 
          SO WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR BEHIND. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT THIS, UH, INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          THAT'S THE STANDARD. 
          UH, WE TEND TO ADOPT THAT, MODIFY IT LOCALLY, UH, TO MAKE IT, UH, GOOD FOR SAN ANTONIO. 
          UH, AND AGAIN, I JUST PUT A NOTE THERE THAT IN, UH, 2011 WAS THE FIRST TIME WE REALLY ADOPTED THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, VERSION AS OUR, AS OUR MODEL. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE UPDATED A FEW TIMES SINCE. 
          UH, OH, I THINK I AM A LITTLE OFF HERE. 
          OKAY, SO, UH, THE 2021 AMENDMENT PROCESS, UH, LOOKED LIKE THIS. 
          SO YOU, YOU SEE A PICTURE THERE OF, THAT'S THE ACTUAL GROUP. 
          UH, WE, WE, WE HAD A BUNCH OF MEMBERS, UH, THROUGH THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. 
          THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD IS, UH, UH, CITIZEN OR RESIDENTS THAT ARE, UH, APPOINTED BY YOU REPRESENTING COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND CATEGORIES. 
          UH, THEY ACTUALLY SET A SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          WE ADDED, UH, FOUR FOLKS TO THAT, THAT ARE NON B S B TO BE PART OF THAT. 
          AND, AND CERTAINLY I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SEE THERE 83 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. 
          UH, THERE WERE 
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66 UNIQUE, 'CAUSE SOME OF THEM WERE, UH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE TWO OF THE SAME IDENTICAL. 
          UH, BUT THEY ACTUALLY SPENT, UH, WEEKS AND WEEKS AND MEETINGS, AND MEETINGS GOING THROUGH WORD BY WORD TO ENSURE THAT, THAT WE MAKE APPROPRIATE UPDATES. 
          NOW, NOT EVERY PROPOSAL, UH, WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THIS BODY, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, WHICH VOTED, UH, ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING 28, UH, ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE, THE CURRENT 2018 VERSION OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          UH, THERE WERE 38 THAT WERE NOT RECOMMENDED. 
          WE DID HAVE SOME GENERAL COMMENTS SUBMITTED TO THE GROUP, UH, BUT CERTAINLY THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, JUST A LIST OF THOSE, UH, FROM THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, WHICH IS B S B. 
          UM, WE DID FOLLOW THE PROCESS OUT OF, UH, CHAPTER SIX AND 10, WHICH KIND OF OUTLINES, UH, THE, THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          UH, WE WERE ABLE TO ADD SOME, WE CALL 'EM NON-BOARD MEMBERS OR NON B S B BOARD MEMBERS. 
          AND, AND REALLY FOR THOSE RESIDENTS, THEY DIDN'T REALLY SIGN UP FOR THIS. 
          THE B S B FOLKS, THEY HEAR THESE CASES EVERY WEEK OR EVERY OTHER WEEK, SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO. 
          UH, BUT, UH, UL ALI, I THINK YOU HEARD FROM UL, UH, EARLIER, UH, ESTEBAN AND RAY MORALES, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UH, YOU KNOW, DIGGING AND, AND, AND THROUGH THESE AMENDMENTS. 
          SO I WANNA THANK THEM, UH, ALONG WITH MY STAFF THAT, THAT WENT THROUGH ALL, ALL THESE MEETINGS. 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE ENDED UP, UH, WORKING ON. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE APRIL. 
          SO THIS PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UH, WE HAD SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WE REACHED OUT AND JUST TRIED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE WERE DOING THIS, STARTING THIS PROCESS. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, UH, WAS CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          UH, THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST THERE. 
          UH, WE HAD OUR FIRST, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, STARTING LATE APRIL. 
          AND THERE, YOU SEE, THROUGH MAY, JUNE, JULY, UH, WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS. 
          I THINK THERE WERE EIGHT TOTAL. 
          UH, AND THEN WE, UH, BROUGHT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WHO VOTED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, A FEW WEEKS AGO, UH, ON THE, UH, THE PACKAGE OF AMENDMENTS THAT YOU SEE. 
          AND, UM, AND WE EVEN HELD A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS, ONE VIRTUAL, I'M SORRY, BOTH VIRTUAL, UH, OVER THE, OVER IN AUGUST, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS. 
          I'M GONNA GO OVER A FEW OF THE AMENDMENTS, BUT I JUST, WHAT WAS INTERESTING, OUT OF THE 80 SOME ODD AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, TO US, UH, OVERWHELMING MAJORITY HAD TO DO WITH THE SCOPE AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE CODE. 
          UH, AND SOME DEFINITIONS, THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. 
          THAT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A SAFE HVAC SYSTEM, A SAFE LIGHTING SYSTEM, UH, YOUR, YOUR SMOKE DETECTORS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          VERY FEW PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. 
          IT REALLY HAD TO DO A LOT WITH, UH, SOME OF THE WORDS THAT DEFINE OUR PROCESS. 
          SO THEY KIND OF WRESTLED THROUGH A LOT OF THAT. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION THERE. 
          AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BETTER CODE. 
          UH, AND I JUST LIST HERE WHO SPECIFICALLY SUBMITTED AMENDMENTS. 
          MY STAFF ACTUALLY SUBMITTED A BUNCH OF, UH, AMENDMENTS. 
          THEY WERE GENERALLY SOME CLARIFICATIONS, THINGS THAT WE RUN INTO. 
          UH, BUT WE HAD, UH, MS. SANCHEZ THROUGH THE HISTORIC WEST SIDE RESIDENCE ASSOCIATION. 
          TEXAS HOUSERS IS AN ORGANIZATION, UH, THAT SUBMITTED SOME, UM, TIER ONE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION MEMBER, UH, UH, S A P M C, COMMITTEE MEMBER RAY MORALES THERE. 
          UH, MY CITY, MY HOME IS ANOTHER ORGANIZATION THAT'S INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THIS. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, OUR STAFF. 
          SO JUST KIND OF PUT WHO IS SUBMITTING AMENDMENTS. 
          THOUGHT I'D HIGHLIGHT THAT. 
          NOW, OUT OF THOSE 28 AMENDMENTS, I'M JUST GONNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW. 
          WE HAVE A DOCUMENT, I THINK THAT HIGHLIGHTS ALL OF THEM, BUT HERE ARE THE ONES THAT I THINK REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE AND, AND MAKES THEM REALLY GOOD, STRONG, UH, UM, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CODE. 
          ONE IS, UH, WE'RE ADDING LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL OF THAT DEBRIS IS A REMOVAL OF A STRUCTURE IS REGARDED AS REMEDY OF LAST RESORT. 
          NOW, THIS IS PRACTICED. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY CODE. 
          UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION THAT THAT'S NOT CLEAR. 
          NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT SEES THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT MAYBE THE PROCESSES DON'T, DON'T, UH, DON'T FOLLOW THAT. 
          AGAIN, I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION, BUT THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT CAVEAT TO A LOT OF THE THINGS. 
          I MEAN, UH, YOU ALL JUST APPROVED TO DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE TRYING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DEMOLITION OR, OR, OR TAKING DOWN AND, AND SAVING MATERIALS ON THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT DEMOLITION HAS TO BE THE REMEDY OF REMEDY OF LAST RESORT. 
          IT IS, BUT HAVING IT IN THE CODE IN THIS MANNER SPELLS IT OUT LIKE SUPER BLACK AND WHITE. 
          NO QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ADD-ON TO CLARIFY THE CODE AND, AND HOW WE NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO WORK, BUT MAKE ANY CHANGES MOVING FORWARD. 
          UH, THE SECOND O, THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH IS THAT SECTION 1 0 7 0.2 THAT YOU SEE THERE, I THINK IS, IS, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO ABOUT DO OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL? THE ANSWER IS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL ALL OF OUR BUILDING CODE AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE PROCESSES. 
          WE HAVE THIS, WE DO HAVE PEOPLE APPEAL THINGS, WHETHER IT'S, UH, DEVELOPMENT CODES, BUILDING CODES, UH, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS. 
          BUT THERE'S A, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT, HEY, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT. 
          SO, A CODE CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, WE HAVE TO, WHEN WE ISSUE A NOTICE TO THE OWNER THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN VIOLATION. 
          SO, IF I WERE TO ISSUE YOU A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, NOT YOU ALL, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE NO VIOLATIONS ON YOUR PROPERTIES, I KNOW. 
          BUT IF I, IF YOU DID, UH, MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBOR, UH, WE WOULD ISSUE THAT. 
          BUT WE WOULD IN WRITING, HAVE TO CLARIFY. 
          UH, 
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YOU DO HAVE, UH, A RIGHT TO APPEAL. 
          IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS. 
          AND, UH, BUT HAVING THAT IN THE CODE, MAKING SURE THAT NOT ONLY I DO IT BY POLICY, BUT BY CODE, I THINK IS A GOOD ADD TO THE CODE, SO THAT WE ALL MOVE FORWARD AND BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. 
          WE ADDED SOME, A NEW DEFINITION, UH, FOR ACCUMULATION. 
          NOW, ADDING A DEFINITION OF THE CODE IS NOT, DOESN'T SOUND TOO EXCITING, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS TOO MUCH TRASH, UH, THAT THAT IS A VIOLATION. 
          OR IF YOU HAVE ANY TRASH ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          THERE WAS SOME ANECDOTAL EVIDE, UH, STORIES THAT SAID, HEY, UH, CODE ISSUED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR A CANDY WRAPPER THAT BLEW ONTO THE FRONT YARD OF SOMEONE'S PROPERTY. 
          UH, THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER A A, A VIOLATION OF CODE. 
          HOWEVER, WE DEFINED WHAT IS ACCUMULATION. 
          I THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP US, UH, BE, UH, CONSISTENT IN THE FUTURE. 
          NOT ONLY WHEN TALKING TO RESIDENTS, BUT HOW WE APPLY THE CODE. 
          UH, ANOTHER ONE THAT GARNERED A LOT OF ATTENTION OR DISCUSSION WAS WHEN WE USE THE TERM IMMINENT DANGER. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WORLD, WE ROLL UP ONTO SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE DANGEROUS. 
          IT COULD BE THAT THERE WAS A FIRE IN THIS STRUCTURE. 
          CERTAINLY THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE OBVIOUS. 
          IT'S ABOUT TO FALL DOWN WITH A STRONG WINDSTORM. 
          THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT ALL THE WAY UP TO SOMEONE'S LIVING THERE, BUT IT IS STRUCTURALLY UNSAFE. 
          UM, IT, IT MAY HAVE ELECTROCUTION HAZARDS, UH, EXPLOSION ISSUES AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ET CETERA. 
          IMMINENT DANGER IS IN OUR CODE, BUT WE ADDED THIS TERM, REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD, A CONDITION OF WHICH WOULD CAUSE A REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD OF SERIOUS OR LIFE-THREATENING INJURY. 
          THAT'S AN ADD-ON TO, UH, THE DEFINITION. 
          NOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS REASONABLE, WHAT IS REASONABLE TO YOU, MIGHT NOT BE REASONABLE TO ME. 
          HOWEVER, THE IDEA WAS THAT NOT EVERYTHING, EVERY VIOLATION IS IMMINENT, UH, DANGER. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE PRACTICE TODAY. 
          BUT SPELLING THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR THAT WE HAVE TO, IT'S NOT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE 10 DIFFERENT, UH, UNLIKELY THINGS HAPPEN THAT WOULD BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION, IMMINENT DANGER. 
          UH, THIS IS SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, CODE LANGUAGE THAT WILL HELP. 
          WE DID CLARIFY, UH, UH, DEMOLITION AND ABATEMENT AND, AND A DEFINITION. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, MAINTAINING EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE WINDOWS. 
          UH, SO IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE HOUSE OR AN APARTMENT THAT WAS BUILT, AND, AND THAT WAS A CODE REQUIREMENT, IT'S BEEN IN THE CODE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, UH, YOU, THERE WAS SOME CLARIFICATION. 
          THAT'S A VERY, UH, IMPORTANT SAFETY DEVICE, NOT ONLY FOR FIREFIGHTERS OR EMERGENCY RESPONDERS, UH, TO HELP PEOPLE GET OUT OF, UH, MAYBE EMERGENCY EVENT. 
          A LOT OF TIMES IT'S FOR FIRE, UM, MAINTAINING THOSE. 
          THAT WAS ANOTHER ADD-ON TO THE CODE. 
          NOW, I JUST PICKED OUT THE SIX OR SEVEN THERE THAT ARE THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE THINK A LOT OF THE OTHERS ARE, ARE REALLY GOOD CLARIFICATIONS THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT. 
          UH, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. 
          HERE WE ARE, UM, TODAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND. 
          THAT'S THE SECOND CHECK MARK. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE GET, UH, SUPPORT AND APPROVAL. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY, TO MOVE THIS ON TO CITY COUNCIL IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. 
          NOW, WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO WHEN WE ADOPT THESE CODES, THERE'S A 90 DAY GRACE PERIOD, UH, OF WHEN IT GOES FULLY INTO EFFECT. 
          THAT'S CERTAINLY UP TO THE COUNCIL. 
          UH, BUT WE HAVE TO TRAIN OUR STAFF, TRAIN OUR RESIDENTS ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES. 
          AND WITH THAT, I THINK I'LL BE, UH, WELL, THERE'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO MOVE THIS TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          AGAIN, WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE THAT SPENT, WE, WE HELD THESE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO, I DIDN'T SET THIS CALENDAR, BUT WE HELD THESE ON FRIDAY AFTERNOONS, THREE HOUR MEETINGS, UH, AND THEY WENT TO 4, 4 30 IN THE AFTERNOON. 
          UH, I THINK THOSE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, THEY DESERVE MORE THAN MAYBE THE COFFEE AND DONUTS THAT WE GAVE THEM. 
          , I THINK WE GAVE THEM DONUTS, I'M NOT SURE. 
          BUT THEY DID A GREAT JOB. 
          SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          SHANNON, I APPRECIATE, UM, YOUR, YOUR INFORMATION TODAY AND, AND EVERYONE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CHANGES AND, AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I DO HAVE A, A QUE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MIKE. 
          UM, WE WE'RE LOOKING AT TOTAL IMPACT. 
          CAN YOU SUMMARIZE MAYBE SOME OF THE MOST, UH, IF THESE CHANGES PASS, WHAT YOU THINK THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGES FOR RESIDENTS THAT MIGHT AFFECT THEM WOULD BE OUT OF THESE? WELL, I THINK AS I HIGHLIGHTED THERE, I THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA HELP US. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA REQUIRE US AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, TO REALLY DO, UH, MORE OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION AS WE ARE, UH, EITHER INSPECTING WE'RE WE'RE BEING CALLED TO A PROPERTY OR PROACTIVELY, UH, LOOKING AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, UH, MORE, UH, COMMUNICATION, OUTREACH, CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT THIS IS. 
          BECAUSE I THINK WHAT, WHAT OVER THE, OVER THIS PROCESS HAS CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IS YES, WE, MY CODE OFFICERS AND MANY OF US THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WORLD, IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE WORLD, UH, AS PART OF OUR CAREER OR DAY TO DAY EVERY DAY, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS DON'T, DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS. 
          AND, AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT I HIGHLIGHTED, WHICH CLARIFIES THAT, HEY, WE'RE NOT OUT HERE TO DEMOLISH YOUR PROPERTY. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN. 
          THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO. 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES THAT IS THE RESULT. 
          BUT, BUT, AND, AND ALSO DURING MY NOTICES, I HAVE TO INFORM YOU, HEY, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS OR YOU DON'T EVEN AGREE WITH THIS, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT TO APPEAL. 
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AND, AND THAT'S FINE. 
          IT'S A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS, UH, TO CONTACT US, SAY, I WANT TO APPEAL, THERE'S NO COST FOR THAT. 
          AND WE WOULD PUT YOU IN FRONT OF THE APPELLATE BODY, WHICH IS OUR BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. 
          UH, SO THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT OVER COMMUNICATION, I THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB OF COMMUNICATION, BUT THERE'S CLEARLY SOME GAPS. 
          SO A LOT OF THOSE, UH, A LOT OF THOSE I THINK ARE IMPORTANT CHANGES TO THE CODE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONVERSATION WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING ON DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA. 
          AND, AND MORE, UH, MORE PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THOSE AREAS. 
          MICHAEL, YOU'RE ON THAT TOPIC. 
          UM, UH, ARE IN, IN, I, I'M SURE THIS IS A YES, BUT ARE WE EMBEDDING SPANISH LANGUAGE INTO ALL NOTICES AND COMMUNICATION? UH, THAT WAS HEAVILY DEBATED. 
          UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY, UH, HAVE BEEN STARTING TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE I THINK THAT CAME UP VERY EARLY ON, THERE WAS SOME PROPOSALS THAT ACTUALLY DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING TO MAKE THAT A POLICY THAT ALL OF OUR NOTICES GET TRANSLATED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE IS DEBATED. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE, THERE IS NO TO, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UH, THAT WERE SOME PROPOSALS TO PUT IT IN THE CODE THAT I HAVE TO BY CODE, NOT JUST BY POLICY. 
          WE MAY HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT. 
          YES, WE WILL. 
          DEFINITELY. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD THANK UL BECAUSE SHE, UH, ALSO, UM, SHE, SHE SUBMITTED A LETTER TO ALL OF US, AND I'M SURE THAT THAT, UH, THAT YOU ALL HAVE READ IT, BUT SHE, UH, MENTIONED THAT, UH, NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS SHOULD BE ISSUED IN SPANISH AS, UM, MANY RESIDENTS ARE MONOLINGUAL. 
          AND, UM, WE CLEARLY, UH, SHE SAYS THIS, AND, AND I AGREE WITH HER, HAVE METRICS ON HOUSEHOLDS THAT SPEAK SPANISH PRIMARILY. 
          AND SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT, THAT WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB THERE. 
          AND SO, UM, I, I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THAT AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT I WANTED TO, TO, TO CLARIFY AND ASK THAT BEFORE, SINCE YOU WERE ON THAT KIND OF ON, ON THAT COMMUNICATION. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AREA. 
          CAN YOU ALSO, UM, EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE? I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS IN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATION, RIGHT? AND SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NOTICE TO VACATE AND AN ORDER TO VACATE? I FEEL THAT THAT'S ANOTHER POINT OF CONFUSION. 
          CERTAINLY, UH, THOSE TERMS ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY BY A LOT OF US, A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          WHAT WHAT WE DO IS, UH, WE ISSUE A NOTICE TO VACATE WHEN WE FOLLOW OUR CODE. 
          IT'S SO BAD. 
          UM, THE, THE CODE OFFICIAL, IF, IF YOU MEET A CERTAIN STANDARD, IMMINENT DANGER, UM, ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, UH, THINGS THAT ARE REALLY JUST UNFIT FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY, WE USE THESE TERMS. UH, WE CAN ISSUE A NOTICE TO VACATE, AND WE DO, UH, ON OCCASION. 
          UM, AND THAT NOTICE TO VACATE IS TELLING YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T LIVE THERE. 
          YOU SHOULDN'T LIVE THERE. 
          WE WE'RE GONNA HELP YOU GET, FIND SOMETHING ELSE. 
          BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, IT'S SO DANGEROUS. 
          WE, WE DON'T THINK YOU CAN LIVE THERE. 
          THAT NOTICE NOW, AN ORDER IS LIKE AN ORDER FROM A, FROM A COURT, RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S AN ORDER, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ORDERS, BUT I HAVE NOTICES. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK FOR, FOR MOST PEOPLE, THEY HEAR THEM AS INTERCHANGEABLE. 
          UH, I KNOW MY, MY CITY ATTORNEYS ARE IN THE ROOM, UH, THAT, THAT HELP US WITH SOME COURT CASES. 
          AS THEY GO, THEY'LL TELL ME THAT I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO ISSUE AN ORDER LIKE A JUDGE DOES. 
          UH, I THINK, BUT, UH, BUT WE USE IN THE CODE, I'VE NOTICED, TO VACATE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE TELLING YOU, THIS IS DANGEROUS. 
          YOU, YOU CAN'T LEGALLY LIVE HERE. 
          UH, I WILL TELL YOU, WE, OUR PRACTICE HAS NOT BEEN TO DRAG PEOPLE OUT OF A HOME. 
          WE HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE NOT CHOOSE TO, TO DO THAT. 
          UM, WE JUST KIND OF CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT, UH, TO TRY TO GET THEM IN A SAFER ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND I RECALL ONE IN DISTRICT FOUR, UM, WHERE THEY REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE NOTICE TO, UM, TO VACATE. 
          AND THEN, AND IT WAS A REALLY BAD CONDITION. 
          AND SO THEN YOU ALL HAD TO GO AND OBTAIN THE ORDER. 
          SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, I I, I, I THINK THAT A LOT OF FOLKS MAYBE DON'T, UH, UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE. 
          AND SO I KIND OF WANTED YOU TO, TO EXPLAIN IT. 
          SURE. 
          AND THEN ALSO, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S ANOTHER TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THAT MY COLLEAGUES CAN TAKE UP. 
          UM, WITH, WITH POLICY, UH, 87 OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED, 24 WERE INTERNAL IN 63 WERE PROPOSED BY THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THEN IN, IN UL, AND I, I'LL GIVE HER CREDIT, RIGHT? UH, THAT, UH, 96% OF THE INTERNAL AMENDMENTS WERE APPROVED AND ONLY 11 SUBMITTED BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          UM, HOW DO WE GET THE WORD OUT? HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE, YOU MENTIONED FRIDAY AFTERNOON MEETINGS, THREE HOUR MEETINGS. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN IN, IN FRIDAY AFTERNOON MEETINGS. 
          AND SO, WELL, WHAT IS IT, IN YOUR OPINION, OR IS YOUR STAFF WORKING ON SOMETHING TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE OTHER MEMBERS SO THAT THEY COULD ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL SAY? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE STARTED, ACTUALLY, WE STARTED HERE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE STARTING THESE CODE UPDATES. 
          THE U D C GOT A LOT OF PRESS. 
          I THINK THE, THE BUILDING CODES AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE GOT, I, I THINK SOME PRESS OR OUTREACH AS WELL, TRYING TO GARNER THAT. 
          WE, WE, WE, WE STARTED WITH SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE, HEY, WE'RE STARTING THIS PROCESS. 
          WE WANT YOU TO BE PART OF THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          UH, WE DID FOLLOW THE, THE CHAPTER SIX AND 10 PROCESS THAT'S IN OUR CODE NOW, TRY TO GET APPLICANTS ON THAT STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE. 
          AND, AND THOSE, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WRESTLED, 
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UM, WITH IT. 
          UH, SO CERTAINLY, BUT BEFORE IT, WE ASKED PEOPLE TO ATTEND. 
          UH, WE LIVE STREAMED, ET CETERA, AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, THESE MEETINGS. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS OUR REALLY OUTREACH. 
          AND AT THE END, WE, WE HELD SOME MEETINGS AND THEY, AND THEY WEREN'T VERY WELL ATTENDED. 
          I MEAN, THE OUTREACH AT THE END, LETTING 'EM KNOW WHERE THEY WERE AT, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE GONNA BRING TO YOU ALL AFTER THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD. 
          UH, SO WE, WE ADVERTISED A LOT. 
          DIDN'T GET A TON OF, UH, PARTICIPATION ON THOSE. 
          BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THE PEOPLE THAT CAME, UH, TO THE, TO THE MEETING AND STAKEHOLDERS, I THINK BROUGHT, BROUGHT A LOT OF VALUE. 
          UH, THEY, THEY DEBATED A LOT OF, UH, I, LOOK, I HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION, PROFESSIONAL OPINION, BUT I THINK ALL THOSE IDEAS WERE GOOD FOR THE COMMITTEE TO WRESTLE WITH. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          AND, UH, ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS POINTED OUT IS THAT A FEW OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE SINCE THE, IN INCEPTION OF IT. 
          RIGHT? AND SO, UM, JUST OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER. 
          I WANTED TO, TO POINT THAT OUT TO MY COLLEAGUES. 
          I DO BELIEVE IN EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGNS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND I THINK THAT MESSAGING IS A HUGE PART. 
          I THINK LANGUAGE IS A HUGE PART. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT I THINK IS FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION, SO THAT WE COULD MOVE MOVING FORWARD, RIGHT? MAYBE IMPLEMENT SOME POLICIES SO THAT WHEN THINGS COME UP LIKE THIS, SURE. 
          THAT WE KIND OF HAVE A, A PLAN OF ACTION. 
          SO, THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          FOR NOW. 
          I'M GONNA GO OVER TO COUNCILWOMAN VRAN, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          AND MIKE, WE, WE MET ON THIS, BUT I HAVE, UH, SOMETHING BEFORE ME WITH A LOT OF CHANGES THAT I JUST RECEIVED. 
          AND YOU, YOU ALL SIGNED OFF ON THIS. 
          THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, I'M PROPOSING THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, THIS, THIS WAS, AS I WAS BRIEFING CONSTABLE DISTRICT, UH, FIVE, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT I THINK THEY WERE CONSIDERING. 
          UH, WE WEIGHED IN ON THEM AND GAVE THEM SOME KIND OF FEEDBACK BACK AND FORTH. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DOCUMENT WITH A FEW, THREE OR FOUR OF THEM, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ANY THERE THAT I HAVE A HUGE HEARTBURN WITH. 
          I JUST, I FEEL LIKE THIS NEEDS THEN A B SESSION WITH THE FULL COUNCIL IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING THESE TYPE OF AMENDMENTS, OR, OR I WILL PULL IT FOR A SESSION SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THESE FURTHER. 
          BECAUSE MY QUESTIONS ARE, HOW'S IT, HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT DART? HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THOSE THAT ARE HAVE TRUST? IT'S MAYBE IT'S A, A FAMILY, A TRUST, THE HOME AND LEASES ALSO, UM, BECAUSE I DO WANNA BE CONSCIOUS OF THIS, UM, OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE B S B DOES HAPPEN WHEN, WHEN B S B HAS TO STEP IN AND DART HAS TO STEP IN IN, IF THERE IS, UM, DECONSTRUCTION OR ABATEMENT. 
          BUT I THINK WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE, THE TRUST AND LEASES PORTION OF IT. 
          AND, UM, I JUST, IT, IT'S JUST A LOT OF CHANGES TO GET THE DAY BEFORE. 
          AND I MEAN, SOME OF IT LOOKS, IT'S JUST A LOT OF CHANGES THE DAY BEFORE. 
          SO I, I WOULD JUST, UM, I DON'T, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO TO A B SESSION AND DISCUSS THIS WITH, WITH OUR FULL COUNCIL COLLEAGUES BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL, IF I MIGHT, I, I MIGHT JUST ADD THAT AGAIN, OUR PROCESS WHEN WE, WHEN WE ADOPT OUR BUILDING CODES AND OUR, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, OF COURSE, WITH THE U D C AS WELL, THAT, THAT'S BEEN THROUGH YOU, IS GONNA HAVE A B SESSION. 
          THE, THE PROCESS OF THE COMMITTEES AND THE BOARDS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THE CODE OFFICIAL, THEN I BRING IT TO YOU, I'LL, IT'S A NORMAL PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          I, I THINK IF YOU SO CHOOSE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS TO EVEN FURTHER TWEAK IT. 
          UM, SO I, I, I JUST WOULD, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, UM, BUT, UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS, COUNCILMAN. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          UM, AND THEN I, I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN CASTILLO HAD BROUGHT UP SOME AMENDMENTS. 
          I WAS GONNA LET HER GO THROUGH, THROUGH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS. 
          AND THEN I THINK THAT A FEW OF THEM CAN BE TAKEN IN, IN CHUNKS AFTER, IF WE WANT FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          BUT COUNCILMAN OF THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND TO ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE SS A P M C MEETINGS, THEY'RE ALONG AND LENGTHY. 
          SO I'M GRATEFUL FOR MY STAFF WHO STAFF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS, UM, ON, UH, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. 
          ONE THING I WANNA EMPHASIZE IS THAT THE AMENDMENTS PUT FORTH BY COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS WERE NON-VOTING MEMBERS. 
          SO THAT'S A, A PIECE, RIGHT? THAT WHY WE DIDN'T SEE MANY OF THE COMMUNITY AMENDMENTS, UM, FORWARD IS 'CAUSE THEY WERE NON-VOTING MEMBERS. 
          UM, SO A COUPLE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, RIGHT AT THE START OF THIS PROCESS, OUR OFFICE HAD OVER 20. 
          UM, BUT WORKING WITH CITY STAFF, WE'VE NARROWED IT DOWN TO A COUPLE, UM, A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THAT I BELIEVE WILL MOVE US FORWARD AS A CITY OF MORE COMPASSION. 
          AND AGAIN, RIGHT, THIS IS PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND PART OF THE JOB, RIGHT? SO, UH, I ENCOURAGE 
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FOLKS TO FIND A DIFFERENT JOB IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE POLICY MAKING PROCESS. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT, RIGHT, ONE OF THE HUGE PIECES THAT WE SAW, UM, OF CONCERN GIVEN THE DATA AND DEMOGRAPHICS IS, UH, LANGUAGE AND ENSURING THAT IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO ALL SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS. 
          AND THROUGH DISCUSSION, RIGHT? WE CAME AND AGREED THAT, UM, WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT IS PRESENTED UP HERE, AND CHAIRS IT APPROPRIATE, IF I GO AHEAD AND WITH, SO SOME OF THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE DISCUSSED WITH CITY STAFF IS AROUND LANGUAGE AND ACCESSIBILITY. 
          SO FOR ITEM 72, 1 0 7 0.2, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD TO PROVE ITEM 1 0 7 0.2 AS AMENDED. 
          AMENDED IS THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, UM, WORKED IN COLLABORATION WITH CITY STAFF, UM, WHICH WOULD READ AS SUCH, NOTICE PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 0 7 0.1 SHALL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL OF THE FOLLOWING. 
          ONE, BE IN WRITING WITH A STATEMENT IN ENGLISH SPANISH, OFFERING TRANSLATION SERVICES AND POSSIBLE ASSISTANT OPTIONS BY THE CITY, UH, TO INCLUDE A DESCRIPTION OF THE REAL PROPERTY SUFFICIENT FOR IDENTIFICATION. 
          THIS DOES NOT REQUIRE A LEGAL DESCRIPTION INCLUDE STATEMENT OF VIOLATION OR VIOLATIONS, WHY THE NOTICE IS BEING ISSUED FOR, INCLUDE THE CORRECTION ORDER, ALLOWING REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED TO BRING THE PREMISE INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE CODE, INFORM THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OWNERS AUTHORIZED AGENT IN THE NAME AND PHONE NUMBER OF THE CODE OFFICIAL OR DESIGNEE. 
          SIX, INFORM THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OWNERS AUTHORIZED AGENT, OR THE RIGHT TO APPEAL B S B WITH CONTRACT INFORMATION FOR THE B S B LIAISON UPON REQUEST BY APPELLANT OR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE. 
          THE B S B LIAISON SHALL PROVIDE WRITTEN INFORMATION AS TO APPEAL PROCEDURES RIGHT TO APPEAL, UH, AND I GUESS TO THE CITY ATTORNEYS, IT APPROPRIATE IF I READ THROUGH THEM THAT WAY, SHE, BECAUSE YOU'RE STATING IT AS A MOTION, SO YOU'RE, YES. 
          YES. 
          IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND? SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA READ MORE . 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE CAN TAKE THEM UP AND CHUGS, BUT THERE, YES. 
          SO, YES, SO, PERFECT. 
          GO AHEAD, COUNSEL. 
          IS IT APPROPRIATE IF WE WENT TO THE NEXT ONE? IF, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY CHUNKS? DO WE, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY ON EACH ONE OF THEM, THEN? YEAH, YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU WANNA JUST, UH, LET HER CONTINUE YEAH. 
          ADJUST AND THEN TAKE THEM ALL IN ONE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S DO THAT THEN. 
          PERFECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD, COUNSEL. 
          C CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THE COMMITTEE MAY MAKE A SEPARATE, UH, RECOMMENDATION, BUT, UH, WHAT STAFF IS GONNA TAKE FORWARD TO COUNCIL IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PROCESS. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT AT COUNCIL. 
          UH, WHAT I RECOMMEND IS, IS YOU CAN TAKE THESE AMENDMENTS AND THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL AT THE TIME, UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION. 
          WHAT I RECOMMEND IS IT MIGHT GO AROUND AND BRIEF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL ON WHAT THESE AMENDMENTS ARE, AND THIS WILL GIVE THAT COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND AND VET THESE AMENDMENTS. 
          SO WHEN COUNCIL HEARS IT, THEY'LL HAVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THESE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS DECIDE IF YOU WANNA ADD 'EM OR NOT AT THAT TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW, HOW WOULD THIS BE DIFFERENT THAN ANY EMBEDMENT TO ANY POLICY PROCESS MADE AT COMMITTEE? WELL, IT, IT WOULD BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE THE SAME. 
          IT'S JUST COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS TO CONSIDER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WHAT CAME OUT OF THE, THE PROCESS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN FOR THIS COMMITTEE AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO VET THESE AMENDMENTS AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE APPROPRIATE OR NOT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SO SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON WOULD BE WHAT CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND THEN WHAT CAME OUT OF P C D C? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA SURE. 
          TO UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY. 
          I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT COUNCIL, IF, IF YOU DO ACCEPT THIS AS A COMMITTEE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE TWO SETS OF AN AMENDMENT TO CONSIDER AT THE TIME. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          I JUST WANNA CHIME IN REAL QUICK. 
          IS MY TIME ON PAUSE? NO, NO. 
          I, I, I HAVE THE FLOOR, BUT I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION. 
          WELL, POINT OF ORDER. 
          POINT OF ORDER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LEGALLY WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH TWO AMENDMENTS, UH, I MEAN, TWO PROPOSALS, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          OUT OF COMMITTEE. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, FULL SUPPORT OF THE COMMITTEE, IT'S, IT'S, IT JUST NEEDS THE MAJORITY TO BE CALLED THE P C D C COMMITTEE OPTION. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          IN THE PAST, I'LL CLARIFY, I'VE, I DON'T RECOMMEND WE DO THIS, BUT, BUT WE'VE TAKEN, YOU KNOW, U D C AMENDMENTS TO COUNCIL THAT HAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, A PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION, 
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AND THEN A COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHICH ONE OF THE THREE THEY WANT TO ADOPT AT THE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE, THIS WE WEREN'T SETTING PRECEDENT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          SORRY. 
          SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE COMING OUT WITH TWO RECOMMENDATIONS OUTTA THIS COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THIS IS JUST, THIS'LL BE A, A RECOMMENDATION OUTTA THIS COMMITTEE THAT COULD BE COMPARED TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION PRETTY MUCH, BUT IT'S AN AMENDMENT, SO, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I WOULD BE, YEAH. 
          I DO RECOMMEND TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF RECOMMENDATIONS COMING OUTTA THIS COMMITTEE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST A, UH, AN AMENDMENT, BUT THEY'RE DOING A SIDE BY SIDE, SO, THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          GO AHEAD. 
          COUNCIL, I GUESS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          SO THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS AROUND, UH, 1 0 8 0.4 PROHIBITED OCCUPANCY. 
          UM, IT'S ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. 
          UM, SO THE LANGUAGE WOULD READ, AND DO I MOVE TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE? IF IT'S YOU, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE WOULD BE, AS ON THE SCREEN, ANY OCCUPIED, ANY OCCUPIED STRUCTURE DETERMINED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL TO BE A THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE SHALL BE VACATED AND PRESCRIBED BY SECTION 1 0 8 0.1. 
          FAILURE TO VACATE AS ORDERED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL IS A VIOLATION OF THIS CODE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT I, I, I MOVE TO AMEND SECOND. 
          AND I PROVIDED EVERYONE WITH ONE OF THESE, UH, HEAT MAPS. 
          UH, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF Y'ALL HAVE IT. 
          SO WHAT WE SEE IS THE DATA, UM, FOR MUNICIPAL COURT VIOLATIONS AND MUNICIPAL COURT INVESTIGATIONS. 
          RIGHT? SO, FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT FIVE, DESPITE MAKING UP 14 POINT 18% OF COURT INVESTIGATIONS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COURT VIOLATIONS, DISTRICT FIVE ACCOUNTS FOR 23.45% OF THOSE VIOLATIONS. 
          RIGHT? SO MANY OF THESE AMENDMENTS ARE GOING TO HELP US ENSURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO, TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? BY MAKING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE LANGUAGE. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, THE DATA OF EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT WITH, UH, COURT INVESTIGATIONS AND VIOLATIONS. 
          BUT AGAIN, RIGHT, WE SEE THE INEQUITY WHEN IT COMES TO WHO'S HAVING TO PAY FOR THE VIOLATIONS. 
          SO THE SECOND PROPOSED, UM, SO FOR, OKAY, SO FOR 1 0 8 0.4, THE LANGUAGE IS B S B APPROVED LANGUAGE. 
          ANY OCCUPIED STRUCTURE DETERMINED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL TO BE A THREAT OR HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE SHALL BE VACATED AS NOTIFIED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL. 
          FAILURE TO VACATE BY THE CODE OFFICIAL IS A VIOLATION OF THIS CODE. 
          THE CODE OFFICIAL SHALL ADVISE THE CITY DEPARTMENT OVERSEEING ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH NOTICE OF LAWFULLY OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          SEC, HAVE QUESTION, YOUR HONOR. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT YOU'VE JUST READ MM-HMM. 
           IS THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          YES. 
          SECOND, THERE ARE A COUPLE MORE IS APPROPRIATE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR, UH, GENERAL DEFINITIONS, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS IMMINENT DANGER, A CONDITION WHICH COULD CAUSE A REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD OF SERIOUS LIFE-THREATENING INJURY OR DEATHS. 
          SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THE ADDITION THERE IS REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD, CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND THE LAST PROPOSED AMENDMENT FOR SECTION 1 0 8, AUTHORITY TO DISCONNECT SERVICE, UTILITIES, AND THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN COLLABORATION WITH CITY STAFF. 
          IT'S A LONG ONE ALSO, UH, THE CODE OF THE CODE OF OFFICIAL SHALL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE THIS CONNECTION OF UTILITY SERVICE TO THE BUILDING STRUCTURE OR SYSTEM REGULATED BY THIS CODE. 
          AND THE REFERENCE CODES AND STANDARDS SET FORTH IN SECTION 1 0 2 0.7. 
          IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY WHERE NECESSARY TO ELIMINATE IMMEDIATE HAZARD OF LIFE OR PROPERTY, OR WHEN SUCH UTILITY CONNECTION HAS BEEN MADE WITHOUT APPROVAL, THE CODE OFFICIAL SHALL NOTIFY THE SERVING UTILITY. 
          AND WHENEVER POSSIBLE, THE OWNER OR OWNER'S AUTHORIZED AGENT AND OCCUPANT OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE OR SERVICE SYSTEM OF THE DECISION TO DISCONNECT PRIOR TO TAKING SUCH ACTION, IF NOT NOTIFY PRIOR TO DISCONNECTION, THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZED AGENT OR OCCUPANT OF THE STRUCTURE OR SERVICE SYSTEM SHALL BE NOTIFIED IN WRITING AS SOON AS PRACTICAL. 
          UH, THEREAFTER, IF THE NOTICE IS RETURNED, SHOWING THAT THE LETTER WAS NOT DELIVERED, A COPY OF THEREOF SHALL BE POSTED 
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IN CONSPICUOUS PLACE IN OR ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AFFECTED BY SUCH NOTICE. 
          AND FOR CLARIFICATION, THE ADDITION IS FOR ALL OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY, IS THAT YOUR APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENTS OVERSEEING ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS AT LEAST THREE DAYS PRIOR? GOT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          AND THOSE ARE ALL THE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, UM, FOR THE P C D C. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL CONTINUE ON WITH COUNCIL CONVERSATION. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO COUNCILMAN VO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I ALSO, UM, HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO DO MOTION ON ITEM, UH, 26, UM, UNDER ITEM THREE, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, PROPOSED MOTIONS, UH, NUMBER 26, UH, MOTION. 
          UH, I MOVE TO, I MOVE THE APPROVAL AMENDMENT NUMBER 26, SECTION 1 0 2 0.8, WITH AMENDMENTS TO READ AS FOLLOWS, REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE STRENGTH, STABILITY, OR PROPER OPERATION OF AN EXISTING FIXTURE, FIXTURE STRUCTURE, OR EQUIPMENT, OR FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE, NOT SPECIFICALLY COVERED BY THIS CODE, SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL IN CONSULTATION WITH DIRECTORS FROM APPROPRIATE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEPARTMENTS WHERE NEEDED ITEM OF CLARIFICATION. 
          SO IF THE AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCILMAN BRAVO IS MAKING ARE DIFFERENT THAN COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO'S, WE NEED TO VOTE ON COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO'S AMENDMENTS FIRST. 
          OKAY. 
          FINISH THAT NOT ALL AT THE END, THEN NOT ALL AT THE END. 
          SO THEN WE'LL TAKE UP COUNCILMAN CASTILLOS, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE NEED TO VOTE ON VOTE SECOND, IF THEY SECOND IT, AND WE'LL GO FORWARD TO A VOTE ON THAT ON, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILE'S MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF IT PASSES, THEN THAT AMENDMENT GOES FORWARD. 
          IF IT FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND, OR LACK OF A MAJORITY, THEN ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION. 
          SO I THINK THE CONFUSION HERE IS THAT, UM, WE WANT TO, IF WE WANT TO TAKE UP COUNCILMAN CASTILLO'S AMENDMENTS AND COUNCILMAN BRAVO'S AMENDMENTS MM-HMM. 
          , THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, ONLY ONE OF THEIRS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT, SO, SO COUNCILMAN BRAVO COULD MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND COUNCIL AMENDMENT CASTILLO CASTILLO'S MOTION, AND SHE COULD AGREE YES. 
          AND WE'D HAVE A DISCUSSION OVER THAT MOTION TO AMEND. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE NEED TO, SO THE DISCUSSION NOW IS ON HER AMENDMENTS. 
          YES. 
          AND SO ONCE THAT IS COMPLETED, WE CAN VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT YAY OR NAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, WE THEN GO TO COUNCILMAN BRAVO. 
          SO, COUNCILMAN BRAVO RIGHT NOW CAN RECOMMEND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AND ADD HIS ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO HER, AND THEN THAT COVERS ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS, CORRECT? YES. 
          THEY COULD DO IT THAT WAY. 
          I, I, AGAIN, YES, BECAUSE THEN THAT COVERS ALL OF THE EVENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE NOT CONFLICTING, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          SO THE AMENDMENT WILL NEED TO CARRY. 
          SO YOU SEE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN AMEND. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HE'S ADDRESSING HER. 
          IF HE'S, IF HE STATES IT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, THEN HE ADDS IT TO HERS, RIGHT? SO, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I'M SEEING THAT HE'S AMENDING 1 0 2 0.8, WHICH SHE HAS NOT ADDRESSED, CORRECT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S ADDING TO HERS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT WAY WE COULD TAKE IT ALL IN, IN ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS IT AT THE END. 
          SO THE FLOORS YOURS, COUNCILMAN, SO YOU, YOU MADE THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION TO AMEND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO'S PREVIOUSLY STATED AMENDMENTS AS FOLLOWS. 
          I MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 26, SECTION 1 0 2 0.8, AND I BELIEVE YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE THESE IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL. 
          IT'S ALSO UP ON THE SCREEN. 
          I MOVED, I MOVED THE APPROVAL AMENDMENT NUMBER 26, SECTION 1 0 2 0.8, WITH AMENDMENTS TO READ AS FOLLOWS, REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY FOR THE STRENGTH, STABILITY, OR PROPER OPERATION OF AN EXISTING FIXTURE STRUCTURE OR EQUIPMENT, OR FOR THIS PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH AND GENERAL. 
          WE WELFARE, NOT SPECIFICALLY COVERED BY THIS CODE, SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CODE OFFICIAL IN CONSULTATION WITH DIRECTORS FROM APPROPRIATE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO DEPARTMENTS WHERE NEEDED. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION, I MOVE TO ADOPT AMENDMENT NUMBER 79, SECTION 1 0 8 0.3, VACATE NOTICE AND WRITE OF APPEAL TO READ AS FOLLOWS. 
          WHENEVER THE CODE OFFICIAL HAS DETERMINED A STRUCTURE OR EQUIPMENT TO BE A THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR WELFARE, UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION, THE WRITTEN NOTICE TO VACATE SHALL BE POSTED IN A CONSPICUOUS PLACE IN OR ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AFFECTED BY SUCH NOTICE AND SERVED ON THE OWNER OR OWNER'S AUTHORIZED AGENT OR OCCUPANT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 1 0 7 0.3. 
          IF NOTICE PERTAINS TO EQUIPMENT, IT SHALL ALSO BE PLACED ON THE EQUIPMENT. 
          THE VACATE NOTICE, SH SHALL FOLLOW THE, THE FORM PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 0 7 0.2, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 1 0 7 0.24. 
          AND SHALL HIGHLIGHT THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE B S B WITH CONTACT INFORMATION FOR 
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THE B S B LIAISON UPON REQUEST BY APPELLANT OR AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE. 
          THE B S B LIAISON SHALL PROVIDE WRITTEN INFORMATION AS TO APPEAL PROCEDURES. 
          THOSE ARE ALL, WE, WE GOT THEM ALL. 
          SURE. 
          WE SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE'LL CONTINUE ON IN COUNCIL COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME GOOD FEATURES IN THESE. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER AS, UH, ALTERNATIVES OR AMENDMENTS TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UH, BY, UH, D S D AND THE S A P M C, UH, REPORT. 
          SO, UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          UH, DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES NEED TO WEIGH IN AGAIN ON THIS? GO AHEAD, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          UH, I WILL, I'LL BE ABSTAINING UNTIL I CAN GET, UH, A MEETING WITH MIKE AND HIS TEAM. 
          UH, I, I HEAR THINGS THAT I, I REALLY LIKE, UH, IN SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS, BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS ON, ON THE BIGGER IMPACT. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ONE COMMITTEE, AND I DON'T, UH, IS THIS GOING TO ANY OTHER COMMITTEES? UH, NO. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I'M, I'M KIND OF UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SOME OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES MIGHT HAVE NOW AMENDMENTS MOVING FORWARD ONCE THEY GET WIND THAT WE'VE DONE THIS. 
          SO WOULD THAT BE A THIRD OPTION, OR WOULD WE ADD, OR WOULD WE, OR WE, WOULD WE VOTE ON ONE OF THESE AND THEN THEY WOULD ADD, UH, AT THE, A SESSION? YOU KNOW, UM, COUNSEL CAN ALWAYS MAKE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DIOCESE AT A SESSION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT LEADS TO SOME OF THE MOST COLORFUL DEBATES, UM, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF SEEN AS LAST MINUTE, AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET THOSE AMENDMENTS. 
          SO, UM, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY COUNCIL COULD AMEND AT THE TIME. 
          SO, UH, WHAT, WHAT I SUGGEST WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, IS AFTER THIS COMMITTEE MEETING, WHATEVER COMES OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND RE DEBRIEF EVERYBODY, ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT CAME OUT OF THE PROCESS. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT COMES OUTTA THIS BODY, SO THAT COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, THAT DAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING WITH YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN VAN. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE? UH, NO. 
          I THINK IT, UH, IT WAS JUST CLARIFIED WELL ENOUGH BY ROD SO THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE UPDATED ON THE CHANGES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND JUST TO, UM, KIND OF CLARIFY. 
          SO, UM, ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSES, UH, SINCE THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH AND WELFARE, ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS GIVES THE CODE OFFICIAL THE ABILITY TO CONSULT WITH OTHER FI OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE FIRE AND METRO HEALTH. 
          THAT WOULD BE FOR, UM, UH, 1 0 2 0.8. 
          THE REQUIREMENTS NOT COVERED BY CODE FOR 1 0 7 0.2. 
          UM, IT, IT ADDRESSES THE FACT THAT SAN ANTONIO'S A LATINO MAJORITY CITY, AND, UH, IMPORTANT NOTIFICATIONS ABOUT NOTICES TO VACATE UTILITY DISCONNECTIONS STANDARD CODE VIOLATIONS NEED TO BE AVAILABLE IN SPANISH. 
          UM, AND THAT RESIDENTS MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. SO ADDING INFORMATION COULD HELP THEM CONTACT AND GET SOME IMPORTANT SERVICES. 
          UH, 1 0 8 0.4 AMENDMENT IS THE TYPICAL AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO APPLY AND HEAR BACK ABOUT EMERGENCY RELOCATION ASSISTANCE BEING 12 DAYS. 
          BUT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ALIGN THE P M C WITH THE LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES. 
          AND, AND THEN ON SECTION, JUST TO CLARIFY 2 0 2 GENERAL DEFINITIONS, IT, IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH 1 0 9 0.1 IMMINENT DANGER. 
          THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS IN THE INTERNATIONAL P M C SECTION ONE 12.1, AND COORDINATES THE SAN ANTONIO POLICY WITH I P M C LANGUAGE THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR 2 0 2 GENERAL DEFINITIONS, AND 1 0 8 0.13 STRUCTURE UNFIT FOR HUMAN ACT OCCUPANCY. 
          AND THEN THE ONE ON 1 0 8 0.21, AUTHORITY TO DISCONNECT. 
          D S D ALREADY INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD SUPPORT, UH, CODIFYING THREE DAYS PRIOR TO DISCONNECTING UTILITIES. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT, IT, IT STATES IT IN THE FORM, OR IT'S, IT'S BLACK AND WHITE. 
          AND THEN, UH, NEW SECTION 1 0 9 0.21, THE HEARING, THE AMENDMENT CLARIFIES THAT PROPERTIES WHERE EMERGENCY MEASURES ARE BEING PROPOSED BY CODE ARE ENTITLED TO A HEARING. 
          AND FINALLY, THE NEW SECTION 1 0 9 0.3 IS ENSURING RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THE STEPS THAT THEY CAN TAKE TO CONTEST A NOTICE. 
          AND IT WOULD PROVIDE KNOWLEDGE OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM. 
          THIS WOULD ALSO HELP INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE RESIDENT. 
          THAT'S THE RECAP OF THE AMENDMENTS. 
          GO AHEAD, MIKE. 
          CAN I ASK FOR JUST ONE CLARIFICATION? SURE. 
          AND I THINK THIS WAS, UH, ON THE THREE DAYS, UM, THERE WAS, UH, AS PART OF THAT, UH, THE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS READ OR NOT, OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T ADD IT TO YOUR LANGUAGE, 
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WAS ON ALL LAWFULLY OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, WHEREVER FEASIBLE. 
          SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD IS, YES, THREE DAYS IS KIND OF OUR NORM, AND CERTAINLY CODIFYING THAT. 
          HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES WHERE THE DANGER IS SO GREAT. 
          EXPLOSION HAZARDS. 
          A COUPLE OTHERS, AND WE'VE HAD A FEW EXAMPLES OF THOSE OVER THE YEARS. 
          WE WOULDN'T WANT TO HANDCUFF BY THE BOOK. 
          THERE'S THREE DAYS, IF IT REALLY IS LIKE IMMEDIATE TWO DAY, THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT FEWER AND FARTHER BETWEEN. 
          BUT, UM, THAT WHEREVER FEASIBLE IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE. 
          IF I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY IF THAT WAS A PART OF THE MOTION. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CLEAR ESMA. 
          THANKS, EVERYONE. 
          ALL RIGHTS. 
          I HOPE WE'RE BETTER. 
          I HOPE WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT. 
          I TRIED TO SUMMARIZE. 
          I SO SORRY. 
          NO, THAT'S GOOD. 
          UM, SO, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE MOTION. 
          UH, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE. 
          UH, VOTE. 
          AYE. 
          SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          YES. 
          WAS THERE A SECOND? YES, THERE WAS A YES. 
          BRAVO WAS SECOND. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY, UH, OPPOSITION, PLEASE SAY VOTE NAY OR SAY NAY. 
          AND ONE ABSTENTION. 
          SO MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, MIKE SHANNON, AND COUNCILMAN CASTILLO AND HER ENTIRE TEAM FOR, FOR THAT. 
          AND COUNCILMAN BRAVO AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON WITH THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDED UPDATE TO CHAPTER 10, BUILDING RELATED CODES IN CHAPTER 11, FIRE PREVENTION BY ADOPTING THE 2021 ADDITIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES, THE 2020 NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE AND LOCAL AMENDMENT. 
          SO THAT IS ALSO MIKE SHANNON. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK, THANK YOU AGAIN, COMMITTEE. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE CODE. 
          SO IN, IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WORLD, UH, WE DEAL WITH CODES ALL THE TIME. 
          WE'RE A BUNCH OF CODE GEEKS, OR AT LEAST ME. 
          ANYWAY, I'LL, I'LL CALL MYSELF A CODE GEEK . 
          UH, BUT, UH, WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, AGAIN, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. 
          I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH IT. 
          NOW. 
          THESE ARE THE CODES THAT TELL US HOW TO BUILD A SAFE, ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDING AND OR HOW TO RENOVATE IT SAFELY. 
          AN EXISTING BUILDING. 
          IT'S NOT THE MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING STRUCTURES AND PROPERTIES. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          BUT THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER. 
          THIS I C C INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL, THESE ARE A FAMILY OF CODES, UH, THAT HELP WORK TOGETHER. 
          SO, I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS, UH, AGAIN, UPDATED EVERY, UH, EVERY, UH, THREE YEARS. 
          THERE ARE ACTUALLY 10 OF THESE BUILDING READY CODES. 
          PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK ME, UH, NOT ALWAYS, BUT OFTEN ASK ME, HOW DO YOU BUILD A SAFE BUILDING? WELL, THERE'S 10 BOOKS THAT TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT. 
          AND, UH, STRUCTURALLY, SAFE FIRE PREVENTION, ELECTRICALLY SAFE, UH, OUTSIDE FRESH AIR INTAKE, UH, GAS, UH, SYSTEMS, WATER IN SEWER OUT, ET CETERA. 
          ALL THIS IS THESE 10 CODES. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE BUILDING AND FIRE RELATED, UH, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD. 
          I DID NOT COME UP WITH THAT NAME MYSELF. 
          IT'S A VERY LENGTHY NAME. 
          ROD SANCHEZ, OUR FORMER DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, ACTUALLY ACTUALLY HANDPICKED THAT NAME. 
          UM, SO I LIKE TO REFER TO IT AS THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD. 
          UH, BUT, UH, ROD, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME CREDIT THERE. 
          UH, BUT WE, WE HAD 22 MEETINGS ON THIS, UH, SINCE FEBRUARY. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S GONNA COME BACK TO HAUNT ME LATER. 
          UH, THAT COMMENT. 
          UH, THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD. 
          THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD IS ACTUALLY 17 MEMBERS AND 17 ALTERNATES. 
          OF COURSE, ALL THEY ARE, UH, IT'S, UH, LISTED IN CHAPTER 10 OF OUR CODE. 
          THEY'RE APPOINTEES BY YOU FROM DIFFERENT, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AND EXPERTISE. 
          I'LL GO THROUGH THAT. 
          AND THIS BOARD. 
          AND, UH, DEALS WITH, UH, CHAPTER 10, WHICH IS OUR BUILDING RELATED COACH, CHAPTER 11, UH, WHICH IS OUR FIRE PREVENTION COACH. 
          OUR FIRE MARSHALS IS HERE. 
          CHIEF FROST, I THINK IS HERE. 
          UH, AND, UH, WE WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, UH, THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. 
          AND CHAPTER 28 IS OUR SIGN, UH, COACH. 
          SO THEY DO HEAR SOME APPEALS ON SIGN CODE ISSUES. 
          SO THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE, UH, POSITIONS AND THE, UH, PEOPLE THAT, UH, MAKE UP THIS BOARD. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT LAUNDRY LIST. 
          UH, THIS IS REALLY DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, BUILDERS, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, UH, SIGN, UH, CODE, UH, PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, UH, BUILDING OWNERS, FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS. 
          THAT, THAT'S THE 17 PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD. 
          THEY ALL HAVE AN ALTERNATE AS WELL. 
          AND THESE ARE THE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          WE HAVE THEM. 
          UH, AND THOSE ARE THE LOCAL, UH, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT, THAT HELP, UH, RECOMMEND PEOPLE TO YOU THAT YOU THEN, UH, PUT ON THESE BOARDS. 
          BUT THEY'VE BEEN WRESTLING WITH THESE CODES, UH, FOR THE PAST, UH, EIGHT MONTHS OR SO. 
          HERE'S THE LIST OF THE CODES. 
          THESE ARE THE 10 CODES. 
          UH, THE, THE I CODES, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL CODES, UH, ARE LISTED THERE, RIGHT? BUILDING, EXISTING BUILDING, RESIDENTIAL, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SWIMMING POOL, ENERGY CONSERVATION. 
          THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE IS ACTUALLY PUBLISHED BY THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF THE SISTER CODE FOR THE I CODES, BUT IT'S, UH, ELECTRICITY IS ABOUT ELECTRIC ELECTROCUTION. 
          WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET ELECTROCUTED. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO START FIRES. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY IT'S THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION STANDARD. 
          UH, SO THESE WERE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. 
          AGAIN, UH, SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL GROUPS, UH, THAT ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS THAT WEIGHED IN AND, UH, WRESTLED WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          AND THE ADOPTION OF THESE, UH, WHETHER IT BE BUILDING OWNERS AND MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, BOMA, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE, UH, THE SIERRA CLUB, C P S ENERGY, BEXAR COUNTY, SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS, ET CETERA. 
          UH, WE LIST THOSE THERE BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER 
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BUILDING AND USING THESE BUILDINGS, UH, DESIGNING THEM, PAYING FOR THEM. 
          WE WANT THEM IN THIS PROCESS, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE ADOPT, UH, SAFE APPROPRIATE CODES FOR SAN ANTONIO. 
          SO WE DO THIS EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          I AM GONNA QUICKLY, THESE CODES ARE ALMOST UP TO MY WAIST IF YOU LAY THEM ON THE GROUND. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF PAGES THERE. 
          I'M GONNA QUICKLY GO OVER SOME HIGHLIGHTS, UH, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT ANY OTHERS. 
          UH, SOME ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS. 
          UH, I THOUGHT I'D HIGHLIGHT THIS. 
          THE PERMITS, UH, WE CLARIFY THAT, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE. 
          THIS IS KIND OF A LEFTOVER FROM OUR CONSTRUCTION NOISE ORDINANCE, UH, UH, UPDATE THAT WE DID EARLIER THIS YEAR. 
          UH, THIS IS TYING, UH, CHAPTER 21 TO CHAPTER 10 APPROPRIATELY. 
          UH, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF CLEANING THAT UP. 
          UM, AND, AND FINISH PUTTING A BOW ON THAT ONE. 
          UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, SUBMITTAL DOCUMENTS. 
          THE CODE STILL SAYS, THOU SHALL SUBMIT TO US HARD COPIES OF PLANS, YOU KNOW, THESE BIG ROLES OF PLANS. 
          WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. 
          WE'RE IN THE E-BUSINESS. 
          WE DO ELECTRONIC SUBMITTALS, ELECTRONIC PLAN REVIEW. 
          UH, THAT WAS THAT EXCEL BILL SA SYSTEM THAT, UH, WE PURCHASED AND IMPLEMENTED A FEW YEARS BACK. 
          SO WE HAVE TO UPDATE ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          THOSE ARE, UM, JUST SOME EASY ONES. 
          NOW, ENERGY CONSERVATION. 
          THIS IS ACTUALLY, UH, HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST, UH, EASILY DECADE, UH, BEEN ONE OF THE MORE, UH, DEBATED, UH, UH, CODES AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, INTERNATIONAL LEVEL AS WELL AS LOCALLY. 
          UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, TO GO TO THE 2021 VERSION OF THE ENERGY CODE WITH SOME LOCAL AMENDMENTS. 
          UH, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE 21 CODE, UH, THE D O E DID, UH, PUBLISH THAT THIS GIVES ABOUT A 10%, UH, ON AVERAGE, UH, UH, UH, INCREASE IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          THAT'S THE DOE'S, UH, ROUGH ESTIMATE CALCULATIONS. 
          NOW, WE PROPOSE, UH, SOME CHANGES. 
          UH, THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ALWAYS DEBATE ON ENERGY CODE, THIS IS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. 
          IT'S THE COST UPFRONT COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND ENERGY CONSERVATION, WHETHER IT BE INSULATION, MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, HOT WATER SYSTEMS, HEAT PUMPS, EV AND PV, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, VERSUS AFFORDABLE CONSTRUCTION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THOSE ARE BOTH REAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THEM FOR, SEEMS LIKE FOREVER. 
          BUT I THINK TODAY, WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT BOTH OF THOSE ARE. 
          SO, UH, WE ACTUALLY, THIS CODE WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR SOME TRADE-OFFS. 
          UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, MAYBE WITH YOUR HVAC SYSTEM, YOU CAN TAKE OFF A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE ON MAYBE SOME, UH, INSULATION REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE ALL THOSE TRADE-OFFS, UH, THOSE ARE, UH, KIND OF NORMAL IN A LOT OF OUR CODES. 
          IF YOU DO A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, YOU CAN OFFSET, UH, A LITTLE BIT HERE, AND YOU CAN CHOOSE THE BEST PATH FOR YOU, UH, AND YOUR DESIGN. 
          UH, WE DO PROPOSE TO MAINTAIN CURRENT INSULATION REQUIREMENTS FOR ROOFS. 
          THIS WAS A DEBATED ISSUE. 
          AGAIN, THERE IS A PROPOSAL IN THE 21 CODE TO FURTHER INSULATE, UH, SOME, UH, ROOFS, UH, TO AN R VALUE OF, I BELIEVE IT'S 48, RIGHT? 49, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, THE PROPOSAL THAT CAME OUTTA THE COMMITTEE WAS TO LEAVE IT AT THE CURRENT 38, WHICH IS, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, BUT STILL NOT ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, COST, UH, TO CHANGING THOSE UP, UH, THE ELECTRONIC VEHICLES AND PHOTOVOLTAIC. 
          NOW, THE 2021 VERSION OF THE ENERGY CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, THE BUILDER, THE HOME BUILDER OR THE APARTMENTS OR COMMERCIAL TO INSTALL ANY EV, UH, OR, OR, OR, OR SOLAR CAPABLE. 
          OR SOLAR READY. 
          ALTHOUGH THESE ARE THE TERMS THAT ARE HOTLY DEBATED. 
          I THINK YOU HEARD SOME COMMENTS ALREADY FROM SOME OF THE, UH, OR AT LEAST ONE OF THE, UH, THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. 
          SO THIS IS A DEBATE. 
          UH, WHAT I'M GLAD TO, UH, UH, IDENTIFY HERE IS THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT'S COMING TO YOU ALL IS TO ADD MORE THAN WHAT THE NATIONAL CODE IS, IS TO ADD LEVEL ONE, AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL ONE OUTLET, WHICH REALLY IS JUST A PLUG. 
          I'M GONNA JUST POINT TO A PLUG HERE. 
          UH, ONE 10 VOLT OUTLET, BUT AN ADDITIONAL ONE TO EVERY HOME BUILT IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          IF THIS GETS ADOPTED, A LEVEL ONE WILL CHARGE, UH, THE VEHICLES. 
          UH, MOST OF THE EV VEHICLES, AND I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THEM, BUT MOST OF THEM COME WITH A LEVEL ONE CHARGER. 
          UH, IT WILL TAKE ALL OVERNIGHT TO GET YOU THE 50 OR 60 OR 80 MILES OF CHARGE. 
          SO YOU MAY HAVE TO PLUG IT IN AT FIVE O'CLOCK OR SIX O'CLOCK. 
          WE GET HOME AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, FIVE, UH, FIVE O'CLOCK OR SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN YOU WAKE UP AND LEAVE TO GO. 
          SO IT, IT DOES TAKE A WHILE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A LOW DRAW. 
          UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE ON WHETHER IT SHOULD BE A LEVEL TWO AS THE MINIMUM STANDARD. 
          UH, AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, I THINK A GOOD FIRST STEP TO GO ABOVE THE NATIONAL STANDARD HERE LOCALLY. 
          BUT KEEPING IN MIND, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE, EVEN A LEVEL TWO OUTLET OR A TWO 40 OUTLET, UH, WOULD BE MORE COST. 
          AND, AND GOING THAT, THAT FAR, UH, MIGHT BE NOT APPROPRIATE RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT CAME OUTTA THE COMMITTEE, THE PHOTOVOLTAIC. 
          SO THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, SHOULD HOUSES REQUIRE PV SYSTEMS OR PV READY? UH, WELL, THERE WAS A COMPROMISE HERE. 
          WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD, UH, UH, MORE SPACE ON YOUR ELECTRICAL PANEL TO ENSURE IT'S EASIER TO ADD ON, UH, SOLAR, UH, PANELS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU SO CHOOSE. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID NOT, UH, PROPOSE THE, THE COMMITTEE DID NOT PROPOSE TO MODIFY THE ROOF STRUCTURE, UH, TO CREATE KINDA LIKE A SOLAR ZONE. 
          UH, AND WITH NO VENT PIPES AND STUFF THAT WOULD'VE CAUSED, UH, SOME, UH, FURTHER REDESIGN, UH, OF SOME, UH, OF, UH, SOME HOUSES 
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FELT THAT WOULD'VE ADDED SOME COST TO THE HOUSES THAT THE BUILDERS FELT. 
          THAT WAS, UH, MAYBE NOT APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP OF GOING ABOVE WHAT THE MINIMUM CODE WOULD REQUIRE EVEN IF WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ADOPTED IT, UH, STRAIGHT. 
          UH, I JUST PUT THIS SLIDE IN HERE. 
          THIS IS FROM ACTUALLY DOUG, UH, DOUG'S STILL HERE. 
          I HOPE HE IS. 
          UH, BUT THIS IS, YOU SEE DOUG'S OFFICE AND SUSTAINABILITY SLIDE. 
          THIS IS, AGAIN, JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, AND THEN THERE'S A FAST CHARGE, KIND OF MORE COMMERCIAL, UH, BUT A LEVEL ONE OUTLET THERE. 
          UH, ONE 20 VOLT, UH, LEVEL 2, 2 40 VOLT. 
          UH, AGAIN, IT TAKES LONGER WITH A LEVEL ONE TO, UH, FULLY CHARGE MOST CARS, UH, AGAIN, A HUNDRED MILES. 
          THIS IS ALL ESTIMATES AND BASIC, HOWEVER, THIS IS, UH, THE BUILDERS HAVE AGREED THAT THE FIRST, UH, UH, STEP, UH, IN AN EV FOR OUR CITY, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND EV, IS TO ADD MORE THAN THEIR ONE OR TWO, UH, GARAGE OUTLETS. 
          IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE NOW, UH, FOR EVERY BAY OF A CAR GARAGE, YOU, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST PUT ONE OUTLET IN THERE, UH, FOR GENERAL GARAGE USE. 
          THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL ONE ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, AND IT WOULD BE CALLED OUT AS THE EV SPACE FOR FUTURE EV USE, UH, AND LIKE THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, UH, FIRST STEP AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND ON THAT. 
          I KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THAT AS WE MOVE TO FULL CONSOLE AND PROBABLY THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE. 
          A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. SO FOR COMMERCIAL ENERGY CONSERVATION, ADDING SOME EV REQUIREMENTS, CAPABILITY FOR APARTMENTS, AGAIN, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND A LITTLE BIT, WE HAVE A LOCAL, LOCAL REQUIREMENT THERE. 
          UH, SO ASKING THEM TO GET READY FOR APPROXIMATELY 3% OF THEIR PARKING SPACES TO BE ABLE TO EASILY ADAPT AND INSTALL EV CHARGERS IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, THAT'S ONE OF THEM. 
          UH, ADDING AN ENERGY MONITORING REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, BUILDINGS. 
          NOW, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT'S IN, THAT'S NEW TO THE CODE. 
          UH, IT SAYS, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OVER 25,000 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN ENERGY MONITORING SYSTEM FOR THE OWNER. 
          SO THE OWNER WHO'S PUTTING IN THIS ENERGY EFFICIENT, YOU KNOW, SYSTEMS, HVACS, ELECTRICAL, A LOT OF MORE AUTOMATED, UH, CONTROL REQUIREMENTS OVER THE YEARS, UH, THIS WOULD, UH, UH, REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A SYSTEM, UH, THAT WOULD MONITOR IT DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THAT SYSTEM CONTINUES TO WORK OVER TIME. 
          WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY, UH, BUILDING OWNERS DO COMMISSIONING THESE SYSTEMS AS A REQUIREMENT. 
          THIS WOULD HELP THEM MAINTAIN IT. 
          THE PROPOSAL THOUGH, THAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE WAS NOT, UH, TO SET THE THRESHOLD OF 25,000 COMMERCIAL. 
          THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT, UH, TO, TO REQUIRE. 
          IT WAS, UH, SO THE PROPOSAL IS FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, SO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, UH, OFFICE BUILDINGS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. 
          ANYTHING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND COMMERCIAL, UH, SOME LIGHTING CONTROLS FOR PARKING GARAGES. 
          WE KNOW THAT THAT LIGHTS AND PARKING GARAGES STAY ON, UH, THEY SHOULD TURN OFF WHEN NO ONE'S REALLY USING THEM. 
          AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, EFFICIENCY OPTIONS, UH, THAT ARE IN THE CODE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE 2021 CODES IS THEY DO ALLOW MORE OPTIONS FOR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, UH, TO DO SOMETHING SAFE IN GENERAL, BUT, BUT ALSO PICK THE ONE THAT'S BEST FOR THEIR OWNER, MAYBE THE MOST COST EFFICIENT. 
          UH, AND, AND THAT'S BEEN A TREND IN THE I CODES, UH, FOR THE PAST DOZEN OR SO YEARS. 
          COUPLE OTHER THINGS I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT. 
          SO, BUILDING CODES. 
          UH, ONE, ONE THING WE, WE LIKE HERE, THAT'S A, A PHOTO OF, UH, THE BROADWAY BUILDING DOWNTOWN THAT WAS JUST BUILT. 
          YOU NOTICE IT'S BUILT OUT OF WOOD. 
          UH, SO IT'S A MID-RISE, UH, WOOD BUILDING THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE CODE TODAY. 
          UH, BUT ONE OF THE REALLY BIG, UH, CHANGES THAT IS COMING INTO THE NATIONAL CODES IS, UH, MASS TIMBER CONSTRUCTION, MORE ALLOWANCE FOR MASS TIMBER CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, IT'S A RENEWABLE ENERGY RESOURCE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT WAS CALLED ABOUT INTERNATIONALLY. 
          THEY ARE BUILDING SOME TALL BUILDINGS INTERNATIONALLY OUT OF THESE ENGINEERED WOOD BUILDINGS, UH, UP TO 18 STORIES TALL. 
          SO THESE HIGH RISES. 
          UH, SO THEY DID A LOT OF FIRE TESTING, STRUCTURAL TESTING, ET CETERA. 
          UH, AND, AND USING THAT, THAT'S A BIG, UH, UH, CHANGE TO THE CODE. 
          SO I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE'LL START SEEING, YOU KNOW, TENS AND OF, OF THESE HIGH RISES BUILT OUTTA WOODS. 
          BUT IT'S AN OPTION FOR THE, THE, THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, THE OWNER, TO BUILD OUT OF, UH, MAYBE A, A BETTER PRODUCT, UH, MOVING FORWARD, UH, OR A MORE, UH, UH, COST, COST-EFFECTIVE, OR, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLE PRODUCT, IF YOU WILL. 
          THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE DISCUSSION AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT. 
          UH, WE ADDED SOME, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          ESCAPE ROOMS ARE BECOMING MORE POPULAR. 
          PUZZLE ROOMS. WE ADDED SOME CLARIFICATION TO WHAT SHIPPING CONTAINERS PEOPLE ARE BUILDING OUTTA SHIPPING CONTAINERS. 
          SO THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATIONS THERE. 
          AND, UH, UH, ROOFTOP CANOPIES. 
          SO A LOT OF CANOPY ROOFTOPS, UH, UH, BEING, UH, IN TOWN IS ALREADY SOME OF THEM. 
          BUT IF YOU WANNA PUT SOME SHADE CANOPY OVER THERE, WE'VE CLARIFIED, UH, THAT, UH, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OF A TWO OR THREE HOUR RATE OF CONSTRUCTION NECESSARILY. 
          IT CAN BE ABLE TO JUST BE A SHADE STRUCTURE, UH, TO, UH, AND STILL BE SAFE. 
          A FEW MORE THAT I'LL GO THROUGH. 
          SO, OUR RESIDENTIAL CODE, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL ENERGY REQUIREMENT, BUT, UH, ADDING SOME CLARIFICATION TO EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENINGS. 
          WE KIND OF TOUCHED UPON THAT IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          UH, THERE'S A FEW EX, A FEW MORE EXAMPLES TO, TO HOW TO DO IT SAFELY IN THE CODE. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD. 
          SOME ADDITIONAL SMOKE ALARM REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU HAVE CHANGES IN CEILING HEIGHT. 
          UH, AND THEN SOME CLARIFICATIONS FOR DECKS AND GUARDRAIL. 
          UH, DESIGN. 
          UH, I HIGHLIGHT THE 
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EXISTING BUILDING CODE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS, AS MY TIME, AS AS KIND OF OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL, UH, WORKING WITH THE CODES IS WHEN, WHEN I RENOVATE A BUILDING, DO I HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO NEW CODES? IT MIGHT'VE BEEN BUILT IN 19 50, 19 70. 
          UH, SOMETIMES IT'S PROHIBITIVE IF SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, GEEZ, IF I TOUCH THIS BUILDING OR TOUCH THIS WIRING SYSTEM, DO I HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO THE BRAND NEW CODE? IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          AND THE ANSWER IS NO. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUALLY ADOPT THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE. 
          'CAUSE THAT ACTUALLY SAYS, AS YOU RENOVATE IT, MAYBE WHAT YOU RENOVATE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO BRING UP CLOSER TO NEW CODE OR TO NEW CODE, OR IF YOU CHANGE YOUR USE, IF IT'S A OFFICE BUILDING AND YOU CHANGE IT TO A HO UH, HOTEL OR APARTMENT BUILDING, THAT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH YOU HAVE TO GET TO, UH, THE NEW CODE. 
          I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, UH, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR WORK IS NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT A LOT OF IT IS RE IS REMODELS. 
          AND WE NEED TO MAKE THAT, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET SAFER AND SAFER, UH, EVEN IF A BUILDING WAS BUILT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, 50 YEARS AGO OR 30 YEARS AGO. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CODE FOR US AND OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ELECTRICAL CODE, UH, ADDING SOME MORE, UH, GROUND FAULT AND ARC FAULT PROTECTION, UH, LOCATION OF, UH, UH, BOXES AND, AND, AND THE WIRING SIZES AND TYPES HAVE BEEN CLARIFIED. 
          AGAIN, UH, ELECTRICAL SAFETY, YOU KNOW, SHUTOFF SWITCH, UH, AT HOMES FOR ONE AND TWO. 
          FAMILY DWELLINGS AND SEARCH PROTECTION. 
          THOSE ARE ALL A LOT OF FIRE SAFETY, ELECTRICAL SAFETY. 
          SO THOSE ARE CONTINUALLY ADDED, UH, UH, TO THE ELECTRICAL CODE. 
          SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THOSE. 
          MECHANICAL AND FUEL GAS, OF COURSE, WE NEED, UH, WE NEED, UH, GOOD FRESH OUTSIDE HERE. 
          WE NEED EXHAUST. 
          UH, WE NEED FUEL GAS SYSTEMS, OF COURSE, TO BE SAFE. 
          UH, LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON, UM, WHERE THOSE EXHAUST TERMINALS NEED TO SAFELY BE. 
          UM, AND, AND OF COURSE, UH, CLARIFIES SOME WALL VENT TERMINALS. 
          THOSE ARE VERY TECHNICAL, BUT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT FOR OUR MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS, UH, TO KNOW, UH, WHERE TO DESIGN AND, UH, INSTALL, UH, THOSE SAFETY ISSUES. 
          UH, PLUMBING, OF COURSE, WE NEED TO GET, UH, GOOD, SAFE WATER INTO THE BUILDING. 
          WE NEED TO ALSO, UH, TAKE OUT, UH, THE BAD WATER. 
          UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS THOUGH, THAT, THAT HAS GAINED A NATIONAL, UH, DISCUSSION, WHICH IS THIS FIRST ONE, ALLOWING, UH, MULTIPLE USER TOILET FACILITIES TO SERVE ALL GENDERS. 
          THAT WHAT WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING HERE IS THE CODE, UH, USED TO AND, AND IT DOES TODAY. 
          UH, WHEN WE BUILD A BUILDING, SOMEONE BUILDS A BUILDING, WE INSPECT THAT THEY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEMALE BATHROOMS, A CERTAIN NUMBER OF MALE BATHROOMS. IF THE CODE SAYS YOU NEED FOUR FEMALE, UM, YOU KNOW, TOILETS AND YOU NEED FOUR, UH, MALE TOILETS, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO TOILETS AND TWO URINALS, THAT'S THE NUMBER. 
          IF YOU DO A FAMILY RESTROOM OR IF YOU DO A, UH, UH, UH, A, UH, A MULTI-GENDER, UH, RESTROOM, THOSE YOU DON'T GET ANY CREDIT FOR. 
          A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THEM. 
          A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND, AND CUSTOMERS LIKE THOSE, RIGHT? UH, I REMEMBER WHEN MY KIDS WERE YOUNG, I, WE, WE WENT TO PLACES THAT HAD THAT FAMILY RESTROOM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GO, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET ANY CREDIT FOR THEM. 
          SO THOSE ARE CONSIDERED EXTRA. 
          AND THOSE COSTS, I MEAN, THE BATHROOM COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THE CODE NOW WILL ALLOW YOU, UH, TO, TO USE, IF YOU DO ONE OR TWO OF THOSE, YOU CAN TAKE THAT OFF. 
          THE, UH, THAT TOTAL OF EIGHT IN MY EXAMPLE, YOU GET SOME CREDIT FOR IT. 
          SO WHAT THAT DOES, IT PROVIDES THE, THE ADEQUATE NUMBER OF RESTROOMS. IT ALSO SAVES SOME COST IN THE CONSTRUCTION. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING EXTRA, UH, RESTROOMS, IF YOU WILL, IF YOU WANT TO DO, UH, KIND OF MULTI-USE, UH, RESTROOMS, ET CETERA. 
          WE STILL REQUIRE, IF YOU DO THAT, THAT THESE HAVE TO HAVE FULL LENGTH PARTITIONS, ET CETERA. 
          RIGHT? UH, UH, AND THIS IS NOT REALLY THE BIG DEBATE THAT WAS HAPPENING A FEW YEARS AGO AT THE STATE LEVEL ABOUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS A BILL IN 2017. 
          UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAT, BUT I THINK THIS IS A COST-EFFECTIVE WAY TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF RESTROOMS THAT ARE BEING DESIGNED AND USED TODAY. 
          UM, I'LL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LAST ONE. 
          WE WORKED WITH SAWS. 
          SAWS HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU'RE RENOVATING AND, AND DIGGING UP YOUR PIPE, UH, WATER PIPE INTO YOUR HOUSE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TESTING, UH, THAT, THAT WATER SUPPLY FOR LEAD. 
          UH, WE ACTUALLY CONNECTED THAT REQUIREMENT TO OUR PLUMBING CODE REQUIREMENT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE PEOPLE, THE PLUMBERS KNOW THAT THAT'S THERE. 
          THE HOMEOWNERS KNOW THAT THAT'S THERE. 
          UH, THERE'S SOME CRITERIA FOR THAT, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SAWS REQUIREMENT AND OUR PLUMBING CODE WERE, UH, CONNECTED APPROPRIATELY. 
          SWIMMING POOLS AND SPA CODE, UH, IS CERTAINLY AN IMPORTANT ONE. 
          WE KNOW POOL SAFETY IS CRITICAL. 
          THE ONE THAT WE, UH, WE TALK ABOUT HERE A LOT IS SPLASH PADS. 
          UH, THIS IS NOT REQUIRING SPLASH PADS, BUT THERE'S REALLY, THERE, THERE'S NOT, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A, A, A, A SECTION OR A SPLASH PAD REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BUILDING THEM, WE'RE BUILDING THEM SAFELY. 
          THERE'S SOME STATE RULES, BUT THIS IS KIND OF THE CODE CATCHING UP TO WHAT'S BEING BUILT. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS NOW, EASY, EASY TO UNDERSTAND REQUIREMENTS FOR SPLASH PADS IN THE CODE. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR DESIGNERS. 
          AND, UH, OF COURSE, THE BUILDING OWNERS. 
          UM, FIRE CODE, OF COURSE, I'LL HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THEIRS. 
          ONE, UH, THAT YOU'LL SEE IS A PICTURE'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT THAT BOTTOM PICTURE, UH, IS A OPEN PARKING GARAGE. 
          IT WAS A FIRE IN EUROPE THAT HAPPENED. 
          AND, UH, WE USED TO, AND WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, UH, I LIKE TO THINK I'M STILL YOUNG, BUT MAYBE I'M GROWN UP NOW. 
          UH, WE WERE ALWAYS SAID, HEY, OPEN PARKING GARAGES ARE REAL SAFE. 
          WE HAD TEST DATA THAT SAID CARS IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES. 
          THEY DIDN'T THE FIRES IN CARS. 
          THEY, THEY STOPPED AT ONE CAR. 
          THEY DIDN'T KIND OF GO THAT WAY. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE CARS WERE A LOT DIFFERENT. 
          NOW. 
          CARS ARE A LOT PLASTIC. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF PLASTIC THAT BURNS HOTTER, 
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UH, OPEN PARKING GARAGES NOW, WHICH DO NOT REQUIRE SPRINKLERS TODAY WILL REQUIRE, UH, FIRE SPRINKLERS AFTER A CERTAIN SIZE. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS PROVEN, UH, WITH SOME RECENT EXAMPLES, SOME FIRES. 
          UM, UH, UH, SO I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE, A GOOD ADD-ON FOR SAFETY. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'LL BE OPEN, LARGER, OPEN PARKING GARAGES. 
          BUT REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S, WE ALL KNOW CARS ARE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN, UH, MAYBE THE 1980, UH, CHEVY THAT I HAD WHEN I FIRST HAD IT, THE TANK, UH, THE STEEL TANK. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW. 
          UH, AGAIN, I THINK THE LOCAL AMENDMENTS THAT WE PROVIDED, UH, DO, UH, BALANCE, UH, UH, GOOD, UH, GOOD SAFETY CODES, GOOD COST EFFECTIVE CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE'RE HERE TODAY. 
          WE PROPOSE AGAIN IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO TO BRING THIS TO COUNCIL. 
          AND AN IMPORTANT THING OF OUR DESIGN CODE HERE, WE WOULD GIVE THE 90 DAYS. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE ARE PROJECTS IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW, AND THEY HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, UH, DESIGNING THEIR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE. 
          THEY'RE AT 80%, 90%. 
          WE GIVE THEM TIME TO GET THAT IN. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO INTO EFFECT IN THAT TIMELINE, 90 DAYS OUT ABOUT FEBRUARY ONE. 
          UH, BUT IF THEIR APPLICATION OF THEIR PROJECT STARTS BEFORE THEN, UH, THAT'S A NORMAL KIND OF CUTOFF THAT WE DO EACH TIME WE ADOPT THESE. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I CAN, UH, THERE'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO MOVE THIS. 
          AGAIN, WANT TO THANK THOSE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS, 22 MEETINGS. 
          THOSE WERE A FEW HOURS EACH, AND THEY ARE, THEY ARE DEBATING THINGS, UH, AT, UH, EVERYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF IN A BUILDING, UH, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO BE THE MINIMUM STANDARD, UH, UH, FOR OUR CITY. 
          SO THANK YOU TO ALL THOSE, UH, TEAM MEMBERS, UH, AND THOSE, UH, THOSE VOLUNTEERS. 
          THAT BEING SAID, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR HOPEFULLY TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          SHANNON, I, UH, APPRECIATE THE, THE THOROUGHNESS. 
          I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE TYPE FOUR, UH, CONSTRUCTION WITH THE HEAVY TIMBER, I THINK. 
          AND BY THE WAY, THEY LOOK REALLY COOL. 
          SO  IT DOES. 
          YES. 
          I'M EXCITED TO SEE SOME MORE AROUND SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THEN, UM, THE, THIS REQUIREMENTS FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS AND STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINES. 
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          YES. 
          JUST A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT. 
          YEAH, THERE'S, UH, I'LL PULL THAT UP HERE. 
          BUT, UH, SO IN THE FIRE CODE, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT MORE REQUIREMENTS FOR ENERGY STORAGE, BATTERIES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          THEY BRING, THEY BRING SOME HAZARDS, UH, TO IT. 
          YEAH, COURSE. 
          SO, UH, ADDING MORE SAFETY ISSUES, WHETHER IT BE, UH, UH, UH, SYSTEMS THAT, UH, WILL STOP A FIRE IF IT HAPPENS. 
          VENTILATION SYSTEMS, THOSE. 
          SO I THINK, I THINK APPROPRIATELY ADDING SOME MORE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE, THOSE ARE UNIQUE. 
          THERE'S NOT, I MEAN, THERE'S MORE AND MORE OF THEM, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON EVERY STREET CORNER. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S A SPECIALIZED, THE FIRE CODE DEALS WITH HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, WAREHOUSES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, INDUSTRIAL TYPE THINGS. 
          SO, UH, I THINK THE IDEA IS MORE AND MORE OF THOSE ARE, ARE HAPPENING AND THEY'RE FINDING OUT THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM APPROPRIATELY. 
          SO, OF COURSE, IN THE FIRE CODE WITH THE FIRE OFFICIALS AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, THAT'S WHAT THE NATIONAL, UH, AMENDMENT WA UH, NATIONAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT IS. 
          AND WE THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, DISTILLED WINES, UH, AND, UH, DISTILLERIES, UH, IF YOU NOTICE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE BREW PUBS, RIGHT? I'VE HEARD OF THOSE. 
          I'VE BEEN IN A COUPLE. 
          UH, BUT NOW WE HAVE THE, UH, DISTILLERIES THAT ARE COMING. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT JUST DISTILLERIES ANYMORE. 
          THEY'RE DISTILLERIES WITH THE TASTING RIGHT HERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE, UH, THE WINES AND SPIRITS. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A DRINK AND MAYBE A MEAL WITH IT. 
          SO, PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER, THEY'VE BEEN ADDING SOME REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SAFE, IT'S KINDA A SAFE SEPARATION OR A SAFETYNESS IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ONE AND THE OTHER TOGETHER. 
          'CAUSE IT IS A, IT IS A, IT IS A PROCESS, AND IT CAN, IT CAN BE HAZARDOUS IF IT'S DONE WRONG. 
          SURE. 
          AND HOW DO WE LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THAT? HOW DO WE LET THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS? OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE NEW ONES COMING IN. 
          OH, THESE ARE NEW, NOT GRANTS. 
          SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE ONES COMING IN, I'M SORRY. 
          AND WE REVIEW FOR THOSE, INSPECT FOR THOSE. 
          GOT IT. 
          YES, EXACTLY. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT 90 DAYS THAT WE DO THERE MM-HMM. 
          , WE DO OUTREACH TO OUR DESIGN. 
          GOT IT. 
          UH, COMMUNITY, UH, ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS THAT ARE DESIGNING ALL THESE TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S COMING. 
          A LOT OF THEM WERE INVOLVED. 
          WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT PROCESS, BUT IT'S HEAVY IN THAT 90 DAY, UH, KIND OF GRACE PERIOD. 
          GOT PERFECT. 
          BEFORE WE GO LIVE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          YEP. 
          UM, CONTINUE YOUR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? COUNCILMAN CURRY? AND THEN COUNCILMAN BRAVO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MIKE, WE MET, UH, JUST RECENTLY ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK I ASKED YOU TO, UH, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY, UH, THESE COMMITTEES THAT WERE DIFFERENT FROM THE NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS THAT WERE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          UH, AND STILL LIKE TO SEE THOSE. 
          UH, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE MAKING SURE WHATEVER WE PUT IN PLACE WORKS FOR US HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WORKS IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTRY, BUT ALSO, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT, UM, SIMPLY MAKING MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE, 
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UH, IT'S GOING TO SAVE SOMEBODY SOME MONEY. 
          I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S GETTING, EXCUSE ME, MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD, BUT A LOT OF THE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT BUILDING ARE TO MAKE THE HOME SAFER, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. 
          UH, AND SO I HATE TO SEE US GIVE UP SAFETY OR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, TO TRY AND, AND REDUCE THE COST OF BUILDING HOMES. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, UH, COMPARATIVE CHANGES ARE BETWEEN HOW THE COMMITTEE SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO WHAT'S RECOMMENDED, UH, IN THE INTERNATIONAL CODE. 
          WE ARE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO THIS. 
          SURE. 
          SO I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS BETTER IN SAN ANTONIO, OR KIND OF WHY, UH, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT EV READY, UH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT LEVEL ONE, I GUESS I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          LEVEL ONE'S TAKING YOU 18 HOURS TO CHARGE UP YOUR CAR. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, UH, NORMAL BUSINESS DAYS, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY PARKS THEIR CAR AT HOME FOR 18 HOURS, UNLESS THEY WORK AT HOME. 
          BUT A LOT OF US, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET HOME UNTIL, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN AT NIGHT, AND WE'RE BACK UP AT EIGHT IN THE MORNING. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU AT BEST YOU GET MAYBE 10 OR 12 HOURS, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TWO THIRDS OF A TANK OF GAS TO TAKE OFF EVERY DAY, SO TO SPEAK. 
          SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE MORE LEERY ABOUT THAT NUMBER THAN I WAS BEFORE I UNDERSTOOD, UH, HOW MUCH, UH, JUICE YOU GET IN YOUR CAR, PLUGGING IN IT AT LEVEL ONE. 
          NOW, LEVEL TWO IS REALLY THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR, UM, ELECTRIC, UH, PANELS FOR OUR, OUR DRYER. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A, IF WE PUT AN EV LEVEL TWO, WE'RE JUST LIKE ADDING A SECOND DRYER TO THE, UH, SYSTEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD SUMMARY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE. 
          I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE EXPENSE IS FOR ADDING THAT SECOND HOOKUP THAT'LL LET YOUR CAR CHARGE IN FOUR HOURS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UH, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UH, ABOUT THE, THE PV, UH, PHOTOVOLTAIC. 
          I, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED. 
          I, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING LIKE, WELL, THERE'LL BE AN EXTRA SLOT IN THE PANEL MM-HMM. 
           FOR PHOTOVOLTAIC. 
          YEP. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'VE JUST GOT AN EMPTY SPACE THAT YOU NEED TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING FOR. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HIT ALL THREE OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FIRST, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU ASKED ME FOR A, HEY, LET'S BREAK DOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT IS ABOVE CODE, WHAT IS BELOW CODE? I SENT IT TO, TO YOU LATE LAST NIGHT. 
          AND IT, IT WAS JUST, OH, I'M SORRY THEN, BUT I, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND THAT, UH, TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL. 
          THE QUESTION IS, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS A VERY, I MEAN, I TALKED TO A LOT OF BUILDING OFFICIALS. 
          WE SEE A LOT OF, UH, JURISDICTIONS THAT ADOPT CODE. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS SOME LOCAL AMENDMENTS THEY ADD OR SUBTRACT TO, UH, THE DEBATED NATIONAL DOCUMENT. 
          VERY FEW JUST ADOPT A HUNDRED PERCENT THE BOOK. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE NORM. 
          WE DID THAT. 
          WE HAVE A LIST. 
          WE TOOK ALL THAT. 
          IT TOOK US A WHILE TO COMPILE, BUT WE HAVE A LIST AND JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE OUT OF THOSE, FOR EACH OF THE CODES, THESE ONES, WE'LL CALL IT BELOW CODE, EITHER WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL OPTION OR WE, WE THINK SOMETHING WAS A LITTLE TOO MUCH, OR WE ADDED SOMETHING ABOVE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          ABOVE CODE, MAYBE EQU A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH ON THIS SIDE AND A BUNCH ON THIS SIDE. 
          THAT'S PERFECT. 
          SO THAT'S, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE GROUP, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. 
          AND THAT'S THE GOAL OF THE COMMITTEE, IS NOT TO ADOPT THE CODES AND TAKE TOO MUCH OFF OF IT. 
          'CAUSE THEN YOU REALLY HAVEN'T ADOPTED THE CODE, BUT ALSO NOT TO ADOPT THE CODE AND JUST ADD A BUNCH OF EXTRA TO IT, BECAUSE USUALLY EXTRA STUFF USUALLY COSTS A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA MONEY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, BUT ANYWAY, FINDING THAT RIGHT BALANCE, BUT I HAVE THAT DOCUMENT FOR YOU. 
          I'LL, I KNOW IT WAS LATE LAST NIGHT. 
          IT'S, SO THAT WAS ON ME, BUT, UH, I KNOW WE JUST MET THE OTHER DAY'S. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SECONDLY, THE 18 HOURS THAT, JUST, THAT SLIDE FROM SUSTAINABILITY, THAT WAS FOR A HUNDRED MILES ON AVERAGE. 
          I THINK IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DUNNO WHAT MODEL OF VEHICLE THEY ARE, BUT LET'S TAKE THE AVERAGE BATTERY SIZE. 
          I'M ASSUMING I'LL HAVE DOUG MAYBE HELP ME OUT WITH THAT. 
          BUT A HUNDRED MILES, I THINK THE, WHAT WE HAVE HEARD IS NOT EVERYBODY NORMALLY DRIVES A HUNDRED MILES A DAY. 
          UH, BUT IT'S MORE LIKE THE EIGHT OR 10 HOURS THAT YOU NEED, WHETHER IT'S 30 TO 50 HOURS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S THE NORM. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE COMMITTEE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH GOING TO THE LEVEL ONE TO START WITH. 
          UH, CERTAINLY THE LEVEL TWO, UH, WE'VE GOTTEN DIFFERENT ESTIMATES FROM DIFFERENT BUILDERS ON THE COST DIFFERENCE. 
          I MEAN, THE COST TO ADD ANOTHER OUTLET, THE WIRING, ANOTHER THING BACK TO THE PANEL BASED ON MATERIALS, LABOR IS GONNA BE A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU'RE ALREADY ADDING A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS. 
          IF YOU GO MORE, IT'S GONNA BE A FEW HUNDRED MORE, DEPENDING UPON THE PANEL YOU HAVE. 
          IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE EVEN MORE THAN THAT. 
          UH, 
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I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT. 
          BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE. 
          UH, BUT TO YOUR POINT, CLEARLY LEVEL TWOS WILL DO IT FASTER, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE SETTING THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR EVERY HOUSE. 
          ANYBODY CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT EITHER WITH THEIR BUILDER OR IN THE FUTURE. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S A DEBATE ON THAT. 
          DOING IT NOW IS GENERALLY CHEAPER THAN DOING IT TO AN ALREADY BUILT HOUSE. 
          I TOTALLY GET THAT. 
          UH, THIRD, YOUR QUESTION WAS ON THE PV, UH, FOLD, THE VOLTAIC. 
          YEAH. 
          ESSENTIALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A PANEL ON YOUR, ON YOUR BUILDING, AND I MEAN, HE'S MY ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, HE'LL HELP ME OUT IF I, IF I MISSTATE IT. 
          UH, YOU GENERALLY HAVE A FOUR, SIX, OR EIGHT SLOT PANEL DEPENDING ON HOW MANY YOU NEED FOR YOUR HVAC UNITS, YOUR PANELS, ET CETERA, ENSURING THAT YOU DON'T MAX THAT OUT. 
          SO IF IT'S A 4 0 6 AND YOU MAX THAT OUT, IT WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT SOLAR, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THAT WHOLE PANEL, GET A NEW PANEL THAT HAS ENOUGH SPACE. 
          EVERY NEW HOME WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST A SPACE THAT SAYS FOR FUTURE EV USE. 
          SO IT WOULD AT LEAST REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THAT POTENTIAL COST IF YOU CHOOSE TO GET SOLAR IN THE FUTURE. 
          AND, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE BALANCE. 
          NOW, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED IN TODAY'S CODE. 
          UH, NOW THAT IS NORMALLY PART OF SOME SOLAR READY, UH, CONCEPTS, RIGHT. 
          THAT WE SEE AROUND THE NATION. 
          THAT'S USUALLY PART OF IT. 
          UH, ANOTHER PART OF IT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THE ROOF DESIGNS, UH, TO MAKE IT, I GUESS, A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, UH, PUT 'EM IN PLACE. 
          OF COURSE, THE DISCUSSION THERE GETS INTO WHAT, WHERE THE ROOF IS, IS IT SOUTH OR EAST OR WEST? UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'D JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE EXPLORING THAT, UH, OVER THE TIME WE HAVE BEFORE IT COMES COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF HAVING ENERGY MONITORING FOR BUILDINGS OF 25,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, AND GREATER, UH, AND YEAH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, UH, WE FELT IT NEEDED TO BE FOUR TIMES BIGGER THAN THAT BEFORE. 
          WE WANNA MONITOR ENERGY. 
          UH, SO, UH, I'D, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE DISCUSSION BEHIND THAT. 
          UH, I HAVE A, I HAVE A 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE 10 TIMES BIGGER THAN MINE. 
          UH, AND YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MONITOR THE ENERGY ON THAT IF IT'S COMMERCIAL. 
          I MONITOR MY ENERGY ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, AND, AND SO WE'RE SAYING NO 10 TIMES, UH, 50 TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE A WHOLE LOT MORE BEFORE WE LOOK AT THOSE. 
          AND IT, IT, TO ME, IT, IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T PART OF WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THROUGH OUR CLIMATE ACTION AND ADAPTATION PLAN ABOUT, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UH, IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO RELY ON, UH, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPERS GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE AND PLANNING ON HELPING US MEET THOSE GOALS. 
          AND BY ONLY SAYING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOMES, UH, OR BUILDINGS, UH, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHERS THAT ARE GETTING BUILT? SURE. 
          WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOME, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AS OPPOSED TO 50,000 OR 25,000? I I THINK UNDERSTANDING THAT MIGHT CONVINCE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT YEAH. 
          ALL WE NEED TO DO IS LOOK A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          SURE. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL, I'LL TRY TO KIND OF ANSWER IT WITH JUST WHAT THE DISCUSSION, UH, KINDA WAS AT THE COMMITTEE. 
          BUT REMEMBER, JUST TO SET, SET THIS ASIDE. 
          WE ARE NOT MONITORING THE BUILDINGS, MEANING WE THE CITY, RIGHT? THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT'S INTENDED FOR THE BUILDING OWNER AND THEIR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL. 
          THEY'RE PUTTING IN THIS EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE REQUIRED. 
          NOW WE HAVE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT REQUIREMENT, ENERGY EFFICIENT CONTROLS, LIGHTING, ET CETERA. 
          AND THEY HAVE TO COMMISSION IT USED TO JUST HAVE TO INSTALL WHATEVER THE HECK WE TOLD YOU INSTALL, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          YOU HAVE TO NOW FORMALLY COMMISSION IT, RIGHT. 
          TO MAKE SURE IT'S MEETING THE STANDARDS BEFORE I GIVE THEM THEIR C OF O CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. 
          SO BEFORE I FINAL PASS IT, A LOT OF THESE, NOW THE NEW REQUIREMENT IS YOU, IF IT'S YOUR BUILDING OVER A CERTAIN SIZE COMMERCIAL, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A SYSTEM, SOME SORT OF COMMUTER COMPUTER MONITORING, ENERGY MONITORING SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT WILL REPORT OUT DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, HOW'S YOUR HVAC DOING? HOW'S YOUR LIGHTING CONTROLS? HOW'S YOUR, HOW'S YOUR PLUG LOAD DOING? IS IT SPIKING? IS IT DE DEGRADING? AND THEN YOU CAN USE IT TO ENSURE THAT THING LASTS AS IT SHOULD. 
          UH, MAYBE, MAYBE IF YOU SEE A BLIP, UH, OR, OR A DEGRADING, YOU CAN GET A TUNEUP KINDA LIKE YOU WOULD YOUR CAR. 
          UM, SO, SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE. 
          UH, THERE WAS, AGAIN, THE DEBATE IS HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE BE ADDING TO THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, I THINK THE, OVER THE OVERALL COMMITTEE FELT, UH, MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE FELT THAT, LOOK, THE BIGGER BUILDINGS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CONSUMING THE MOST ENERGY OR HAVE 
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THE POTENTIAL, UH, THAT, THAT COULD USE THIS TO MONITOR THEIR OWN ENERGY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO FIND THOSE INTERNAL, UH, SYSTEMS. SO I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT CAME OUTTA THE COMMITTEE. 
          IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, BUT CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU BRING THAT DOWN, THE MORE YOU WOULD REQUIRE THOSE BUILDINGS TO HAVE THIS, UH, SYSTEM IN AND, AND PURCHASE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, BUT I THINK THIS GOES IN LINE WITH SOMETHING WE'RE CONSIDERING ABOUT, UM, MONITORING OR ASKING BUILDINGS TO SELF-MONITOR THEMSELVES AND REPORT TO US. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDINGS THAT ARE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR MORE. 
          BUT ALSO PART OF THAT LONG-TERM GOAL IS TO MAYBE THEN LOOK AT BUILDINGS THAT ARE 50,000 SQUARE FEET, ET CETERA. 
          SURE. 
          IF ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE ONLY GONNA ASK FUTURE BUILDINGS AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR MORE TO PREPARE TO MONITOR THEMSELVES, HOW CAN WE EVER WORK BACK DOWN TO A GREATER GOAL? YEAH. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A GOOD, I MEAN, THAT CONVERSATION I THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT. 
          AND, AND I TALKED TO DOUG ABOUT THIS, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          THE, THE, THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN, AND, AND I THINK THE TERM IS BENCHMARKING, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE E P A AND, AND SOME OF THEIR FORMS OR DOCUMENTS OR SYSTEMS TO KIND OF CALCULATE AND MONITOR AND, AND DO ALL THAT. 
          THIS IS NOT THAT. 
          THIS IS, YOU CAN BUY ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU IN A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, A LOT OF THEM HAVE BUILDING MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS ANYWAY THAT THEY CAN CONTROL, UH, AUTOMATED CONTROLS OF THEIR HVAC AND LIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BASED ON ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS. 
          THEY, THEY CAN CHOOSE ANY SOFTWARE, ANY OF THE, WE DON'T TELL 'EM WHAT SOFTWARE. 
          THIS DOESN'T TELL 'EM WHAT SOFTWARE THIS IS JUST FOR THEM TO DO IT. 
          IT DOESN'T TIE INTO THAT. 
          NOW, CONCEPTUALLY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          HEY, MONITORING YOUR BUILDING ENERGY USAGE FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, RIGHT? TO MAKE SURE THINGS ARE EFFICIENT. 
          YOU PAID FOR IT, YOU'RE PAYING YOUR OWN BILL, RIGHT. 
          FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, DOES THAT KIND OF CONNECT TO, IT'S IN THE SAME BALLPARK, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY THE SAME THING. 
          AND IF WE, IF WE WANT TO CONNECT THE TWO, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WE DO, BUT IF YOU WANNA CONNECT THE TWO, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE ALL HAVING, I THINK DOUG AND THE CLIMATE PLAN GROUPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          AND, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HELP ON THAT WITH THIS REQUIREMENT. 
          BUT I CAUTION US FOR CONNECTING THOSE TWO TOGETHER, UM, DIRECTLY. 
          BUT AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY THEY'RE IN THE SAME BALLPARK OR THE SAME FOOTBALL FIELD. 
          IT'S FOOTBALL SEASON. 
          RIGHT? SO, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          COUNCILMAN BRAVO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, PART OF THE REASON I GUESS I FOLLOW BUILDING PRACTICES AND CODES CLOSELY IS, 'CAUSE MY DAD HAD A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. 
          HE USED TO BUILD COMMERCIAL. 
          HE USED TO BUILD RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, HE'S RETIRED NOW, BUT I, HE TELLS A STORY ABOUT A WOMAN WHO HIRED HIM TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR HER, AND SHE WANTED TO BUILD A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE. 
          AND MY DAD SAID, YOU CAN'T BUILD A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE, YOU KNOW? AND SHE SAID, NO, I ONLY WANT ONE BEDROOM. 
          AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A YOUNG COUPLE. 
          WHAT IF YOU END UP DECIDING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE KIDS? AND THEY SAID, NO, NO, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE KIDS. 
          AND THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH AND THEY ARGUED ON IT. 
          MY DAD FINALLY WON THE ARGUMENT, AND WHILE HE WAS BUILDING THEIR, THEIR HOUSE, THEY GOT PREGNANT. 
          AND SO, LUCKILY, MY DAD TALKED THEM INTO BUILDING A TWO BEDROOM HOUSE AND INSTEAD OF A ONE BEDROOM, RIGHT. 
          AND THAT KID DIDN'T HAVE TO LIVE IN THE LIVING ROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THE POINT IS THAT WE DON'T JUST BUILD OUR HOMES FOR TODAY. 
          WE BUILD THEM FOR THE FUTURE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WANT OUR HOMES TO LAST GENERATIONS. 
          WE DON'T WANT HOMES TO BE DISPOSABLE. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO BE KNOCKING THEM DOWN, RIGHT? AND SO IF WE'RE BUILDING OUR HOMES FOR TOMORROW, WHAT DOES TOMORROW LOOK LIKE? RIGHT? AND I THINK ABOUT HOW I WANT SAN ANTONIO TO BE A WORLD-CLASS GLOBALLY COMPETITIVE CITY, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT DOES THE FUTURE MARKET LOOK LIKE? AND WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT CAR MANUFACTURERS ARE TELLING US THAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, I'LL SEE THAT HONDA SAYS BY 2030, 40% OF THEIR CARS ARE GONNA BE ELECTRIC. 
          HYUNDAI, KIA, JAGUAR, LAND ROVER, SAY THEY WILL BE ALL ELECTRIC, 100% ELECTRIC BY 2030. 
          MERCEDES. 
          I MEAN, MAZDA SAYS 25% WILL BE ELECTRIC VEHICLES BY 2030. 
          MERCEDES HAS SET A, SET A GOAL OF A HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRIC VEHICLES BY 2030. 
          GENERAL MOTORS WILL ONLY, THEY'RE GONNA PHASE OUT ALL GASOLINE, PHASE OUT ALL DIESEL, AND ONLY MANUFACTURE ELECTRIC CARS BY 2035. 
          YOU KNOW, I CAN GO ON AND ON, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE CAR MANUFACTURERS ARE TELLING US, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT A LEVEL ONE CHARGER, THAT'S JUST ONE OF THESE REGULAR OUTLETS LIKE WE SEE IN HERE, I THINK, WELL, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THAT IN YOUR GARAGE? AND I THINK, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A TODDLER AND YOU GO TO TOYS R US AND YOU GET THEM ONE OF THOSE LITTLE BARBIE JEEPS, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CHARGE IN ONE OF THOSE OUTLETS. 
          BUT YOU WOULDN'T CHARGE AN ELECTRIC CAR IN THERE. 
          I KNOW MY GIRLFRIEND HAS A TESLA, AND IT DOESN'T WORK. 
          JUST, I MEAN, YOU'LL NEVER GET THERE. 
          IT TAKES FOREVER. 
          BUT ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT C P S ENERGY HAS TO PRODUCE ELECTRICITY, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR, UH, OUR, OUR ENERGY GENERATION ASSETS THAT ARE DUE TO RETIRE SOON. 
          AND SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO 
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MEET OUR PEAK DEMAND? AND WE KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE, RIGHT? AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT OF SOLAR, RIGHT? AND WE'RE BUILDING MORE SOLAR CAPACITY. 
          AND SOLAR PERFORMS REALLY GREAT DURING THE DAYTIME, BUT THEN THE SUN STARTS TO GO DOWN, AND WE HAVE WIND POWER AS WELL, AND WE HAVE WIND IN WEST TEXAS. 
          IT BLOWS REALLY WELL AT NIGHTTIME, AND YOU CAN GET CHEAP CLEAN ELECTRICITY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. 
          BUT THERE'S A POINT IN TIME FOR A FEW HOURS IN BETWEEN WHEN THE SUN STARTS TO GO DOWN AND BEFORE THAT WIND STARTS PICKING UP IN WEST TEXAS WHERE OUR ENERGY PRODUCTION REALLY GOES DOWN. 
          AND SO IT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          AND HOW DO YOU MEET THAT ELECTRICITY DEMAND? AND SO ONE THING C P S ENERGY DOES IS THEY LOOK AT HOW CAN WE INCENTIVIZE YOU TO USE ELEC LESS ELECTRICITY AT THAT TIME, RIGHT? AND SO, IF YOU DRIVE AN ELECTRIC CAR, AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE DRIVING ELECTRIC CARS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IF YOU DO, WHEN YOU GO TO WORK, YOU COME BACK AFTER 5:00 PM ABOUT FIVE 30, AND YOU PLUG YOUR CAR IN AND IT STARTS TO CHARGE, AND YOU'RE USING A LOT OF ELECTRICITY AT A TIME WHEN SOLAR'S GOING DOWN AND THE WIND HASN'T PICKED UP. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHEN WE WANT PEOPLE TO ADD A LOT OF DEMAND ONTO OUR ELECTRIC GRID, RIGHT? AND SO, CCPS ENERGY HAS A PROGRAM AND THEY SAY, WELL, LOOK, IF YOU HAVE A LEVEL TWO CHARGER AND IT'S WIFI ENABLED, IT'S ONLY GONNA TAKE YOU FOUR HOURS FOR THAT CAR TO CHARGE. 
          SO WHY DON'T YOU SIGN UP FOR THIS PROGRAM? WE'LL CHARGE YOU A LOWER LATE RATE FOR YOUR ELECTRICITY IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU PLUG, YOU CAN PLUG IT IN AT FIVE 30 WHEN YOU GET HOME. 
          BUT IT WON'T START CHARGING TILL MAYBE 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. 
          ONCE THAT WIND IS BLOWING, THE GRID IS VERY STABLE, ELECTRICITY'S CLEAN, ELECTRICITY'S CHEAP. 
          AND BY DOING THAT, IF YOU START, IT'S A FOUR HOUR CHARGE. 
          SO FROM 10:00 PM TO 2:00 AM BY 2:00 AM YOUR CAR'S FULLY CHARGED AGAIN, RIGHT? BUT IF WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE LEVEL ONE OUTLETS, THEN WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE PLUG PLUGGING IN, AND THEY GOTTA KEEP IT IN ALL NIGHT LONG, ALL AFTERNOON FROM AS SOON AS THEY GET HOME. 
          AND SO IT ADDS DEMAND TO OUR GRID WHEN WE DON'T WANT IT, AS OPPOSED TO TAKING DEMAND OFF AND INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE, ALLOWING THEM TO USE THAT MARKET SIGNAL, SAVE ON THEIR ENERGY COSTS, BUT ALSO USE THAT MARKET SIGNAL TO DRIVE BEHAVIOR SO THAT YOU, YOU ARE USING ELECTRICITY WHEN WE HAVE MORE ELECTRICITY AVAILABLE, WHEN IT'S CHEAPER, WHEN IT'S CLEANER. 
          AND SO I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE BUILDING OUR HOUSES FOR THE FUTURE, NOT JUST FOR TODAY. 
          AND, UM, SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION. 
          I KNOW THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE BUILDERS AS WELL. 
          AND SO I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THEM BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING A WORLD CLASS CITY THAT'S GLOBALLY COMPETITIVE. 
          AND, AND I THINK THIS IS PART OF THAT. 
          UM, I WANT TO MOVE ON TO INSULATION. 
          YOU'VE SAID THAT THERE ARE NO CHANGES IN THIS BUILDING CODE ON INSULATION, MIKE, AND CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT? NO. 
          WELL, WHAT, WHAT I MEANT TO SAY WAS THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE PROPOSED 21 CODE TO FURTHER ADD, UH, INSULATION LEVEL GOING FROM, UH, R 38 TO R 49. 
          THE BIGGER THE NUMBER, THE MORE INSULATION, UH, IT, AND THE NATIONAL CODE FOR, UH, THE ROOFS, RIGHT? ROOFS AND ATTICS. 
          YEAH. 
          CEILING, I'M SORRY. 
          CEILING. 
          UM, AND, UH, DURING THE PROCESS, UH, THE DEBATE WAS, WELL, GEEZ, YOU KNOW, YES, IT'S MORE INSULATION THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO, UH, KIND OF MODIFY SOME OF OUR DESIGNS, ADD SOME MORE, UH, SO THAT WE COULD FIT THAT INSULATION PROPERLY. 
          UH, SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO KEEP THAT AT THE 2018 LEVEL AND NOT GO UP TO THE 2021 ON THAT SPECIFIC INSULATION ELEMENT. 
          SO IT'S A LOCAL AMENDMENT. 
          IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE BELOW CODE, RIGHT? THAT I THINK I, UH, BUT IT'S KIND OF BALANCING, UH, DO WE ADD MORE FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST? AND AGAIN, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT THE COMMITTEE FELT. 
          WELL, I, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT MUCH. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SOME OF THESE, LIKE THIS ONE, EVEN THE LEVEL ONE, WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE LEVEL ONE OR LEVEL TWO, LEVEL ONE EV CHARGER IN EVERY HOME IS MORE THAN CODE OR ABOVE CODE, UH, THAN THE ENERGY CODE. 
          AND, AND THIS ONE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE 21, BUT RIGHT AT THE 2018. 
          YEAH. 
          DOES THAT, SO IT'S NOT INSULATION'S ALL OVER, IT'S JUST THAT WAS THE ONE I CALLED OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME SPECIFIC, I THINK, DISCUSSION AND DEBATE ON THAT ONE ITEM. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AGAIN, LIKE THAT LEVEL ONE, IT'S JUST A REGULAR HOME OUTLET. 
          SO THAT'S LIKE, IF YOU WENT TO TOYS R US AND GOT A BARBIE JEEP FOR YOUR TODDLER, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD CHARGE IT ON. 
          AND THE LEVEL TWO, I KNOW, I THINK COUNCILMAN COURAGE SAID A DRYER, IT ALSO A HOME WATER HEATER WOULD BE LEVEL TWO. 
          I'LL CHIME BACK IN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN BRAVO. 
          COUNCILMAN CASTILLO, DO YOU HAVE COUNCILMAN ? COUNCILMAN KIRCH, SECOND GO? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          COUNCILMAN BRAVO. 
          THANKS. 
          SO, SO TO GET BACK TO INSTALLATION, SO I, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THE ENERGY SAVINGS WOULD BE IF WE WENT UP TO INSTALLATION IN THE 2021 CODE. 
          UM, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAD, WE HAD, UM, ERCOT ASK US TO REDUCE OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION 11 TIMES THIS SUMMER. 
          WE, WHEN WE BROKE THE RECORD 11 TIMES WHEN WE HAD THE HOTTEST RECORD ON, ON, UH, HOTTEST SUMMER ON RECORD. 
          AND WHEN WE ANTICIPATE ANOTHER 
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MILLION PEOPLE MOVING HERE BY 2040, AND I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW CAN WE REDUCE OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION PER CAPITA. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE 2015 AND 2121 CODE WHEN IT COMES TO INSTALLATION, WHAT KIND OF ENERGY SAVINGS FOR EACH HOUSE WE'D BE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, THE OTHER, UH, THING I WANTED TO ASK IS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE COST ESTIMATES FOR EV AND SOLAR READY REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE LEVEL ONE VERSUS LEVEL TWO. 
          AND JUST TO SEE, AND ON PVS, I'M, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT WOULD COST, UM, TO NOT HAVE VENTS IN PLACES WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PREVENT YOU FROM BEING ABLE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE PIPE PROTRUSIONS THROUGH YOUR ROOF VENTS, AND THAT'S GONNA PREVENT YOU FROM PUTTING SOLAR PANELS IN THAT PLACE. 
          UM, I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT THAT IMPACT LOOKS LIKE. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN GRAVEL. 
          WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, COUNCILMAN, AND WE'LL, WE'LL SHARE IT WITH THIS GROUP, BUT I, AS WE, IF, AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE'LL GET ALL THAT FOR THE, THE, THE MAYOR COUNCIL AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO, OH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE, GO AHEAD. 
          IS, IS THERE A CALL FOR A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER ACTION? IS THAT, UH, APPROPRIATE? WELL, I'M WILLING TO PUT FORWARD AN AMENDED MOTION, SO TO SPEAK, OR A MOTION TO, UH, MOVE THIS TO COUNCIL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, 2021 I E C C ENERGY CONSERVATION, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I THINK THOSE NEED FURTHER CONSIDERATION BEFORE I, FOR ONE, WOULD RECOMMEND THIS TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL. 
          SO I'M PUTTING FORWARD A MOTION THAT WOULD RECOMMEND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE COUNCIL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 2021 I E C C ENERGY CONSERVATION RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          UH, SO MIKE, WITH THAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? AND, UH, WHEN WE COME TO FULL COUNSEL, WE WILL SAY THAT, UM, PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT VOTED ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          AND WILL YOU GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BY THAT TIME? WELL, MAYBE I'LL LOOK FOR SOME DIRECTION FROM, UH, KAMM  WHO MADE THE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE IN, IN REALITY, YOU COULD, WE COULD, AS A CITY, A ATTEMPT TO ADOPT JUST THE 21 VERSIONS OF THE OTHER CODES, AND THAT WE WOULD STAY UNDER THE 2018 VERSION AS IS UNTIL WE FEEL COMFORTABLE ADOPTING THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK SO THAT IT HAPPENS ALTOGETHER. 
          BUT IF IT, IF IT STAYED AS SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO DISCUSS AND NOT ADOPT, WE WOULD JUST HAVE THE 2018 VERSION OF THE ENERGY CODE. 
          SO I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT EV AND PV AND A FEW INSTALLATIONS, BUT WE WOULD NOT BE ADOPTING ALL THE OTHER UPGRADES IN OTHER AREAS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT. 
          SO I WOULD JUST LOOK FOR MAYBE SOME RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS GROUP, OR WE COULD, AND WE CAN DO IT CERTAINLY AFTER THE MEETING IS WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND BRING THAT BOOK BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE TO GET THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE VETTED SOME MORE OF THESE ISSUES OUT? OR, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE A LONGER PROCESS, DIFFERENT PROCESS? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          MAYBE I'LL ASK FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE THREE OPTIONS. 
          WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GO, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE GIVEN US. 
          WE COULD ALSO SAY, NO, WE WANT TO GO WITH THE ENTIRE 2021 I C C RECOMMENDATION OR I E C C RECOMMENDATION THEIR BOOK. 
          OR WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT WE DON'T WANNA ACCEPT EITHER OF THOSE AND WE'LL LIVE BY THE PRIOR CODE FROM 2018. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ALL VALID. 
          I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A FEW MORE. 
          I, I, I, UM, I, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US DISCUSS THAT ONE SECTION FURTHER AND MAYBE DEVELOP A FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL BEFORE THE, UH, DEADLINE THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHAT, LATE IN OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. 
          IT'S, IT'S NOT CERTAINLY A HARD DEADLINE. 
          THAT'S OUR GOAL. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          I THINK, UH, GETTING THE NEW CODES IN EFFECT EARLY NEXT YEAR, OUR TARGET IS FEBRUARY. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S NOT A MANDATE OR THERE'S NOT A STATE LAW OR A FEDERAL LAW THAT SAYS IT HAS TO, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING TO GET SOME OF THESE BENEFITS, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS. 
          BUT, UH, BUT IF YOU WANT US TO BRING, IF YOU WANT US TO WORK WITH YOU ALL OR WORK WITH THE COMMITTEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, BRING BACK BASED ON THIS, ON THE ENERGY CODE, WE CAN, THE OTHER THING IS YOU COULD FURTHER MODIFY LIKE YOU DID IN THE LAST CODE, AND THEN TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO BRING TO A SESSION. 
          THAT WAS ANOTHER OPTION. 
          BUT I'LL, I'LL LOOK FOR YOUR INPUT. 
          COUNCILMAN . 
          UM, IF WE, IF WE DON'T PASS THIS, IF, IF WE PASS, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WHAT COUNCILMAN COURAGE HAS AMENDED, THEN WE'RE UNDER THE 2018 
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CODE FOR JUST, FOR JUST THE ENERGY CODE. 
          IT WOULD, WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 2021 VERSIONS OF EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          UM, 2020 ELECTRICAL CODE, 21 IS EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND YOU COULD HAVE THE 2018, UM, AGAIN, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT YOU, BUT YOU COULD PHYSICALLY DO THAT. 
          WE'D JUST LEAVE THE ENERGY CODE PROVISIONS AS IS. 
          YOU WOULDN'T GET ANY OF THAT STUFF THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. 
          BUT WE, WE COULD PHYSICALLY DO THAT AND BUILD PER THOSE. 
          WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY UNTIL WE TAKE ACTION ON THIS. 
          SO UNTIL WE TAKE ACTION, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YOU ALWAYS HAVE, YOU CAN ALWAYS BRING THAT AND ADD THAT IN LATER, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THIS TIME PERIOD WHERE IT'D BE A LITTLE OFF. 
          SO ANY, ANY PLANS THAT THAT COME IN IN JANUARY WOULD BE PROBABLY UNDER THE, THE 2021 CODE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ICC, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YES. 
          ENERGY CODE. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO THIS WOULD IMPACT, 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE PROJECTS CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          THEY ABSOLUTELY CAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD NOT SLOW DOWN ANY PROJECTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK OF, THINK OF MY REVIEWERS AND MY INSPECTORS, WHATEVER THE RULES ARE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE 2018 OR THE 21 OR LEVEL ONE OR, YOU KNOW, WE JUST REVIEW FOR THAT AND THEY, IF THEY MEET IT, THEY GET A PERMIT, AND THEN WE INSPECT IT AND THEN THEY GET PASSED. 
          CAN I, I, I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE, WITH THE 2021 ENERGY CODE? ARE WE, ARE WE TAKING THAT BACK TO COMMITTEE OR DO WE WANT TO BRING THAT BACK TO, TO THIS COUNCIL COMMITTEE IN A MONTH OR, OR, OR TWO MONTHS? UH, THAT'S KIND WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. 
          THAT'S WE NEED. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHEN, SO, AND MIKE, YOU'RE GONNA, THE SPLASH PAD'S GONNA MOVE FORWARD, THE, THAT CODE IS MOVING FORWARD THOUGH, RIGHT? FOR THE POOL AND EVERYTHING WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCILMAN THAT THE, THE POOL IN SPA CODE, WHICH INCLUDES THE SPLASH PADS, IS PART OF THE, UH, NINE OTHERS. 
          SO I, I AM, I AM FOR BRINGING IT BACK TO PROBABLY THIS COMMITTEE TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION FROM, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, IF WE DECIDED TO SEND IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OR TAKE IT TO FULL COUNCIL. 
          BUT, UM, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO COUNCILMAN ENCOURAGES MOTION? YES. 
          THAT WE BRING THE I E C C BACK TO THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEES, SPECIFICALLY ENERGY CODE ESPEC, THE SPECIFIC ENERGY CODE. 
          YES. 
          ENERGY CONSERVATION. 
          COUNCILMAN, ENCOURAGE. 
          ARE YOU OKAY WITH BM N? SURE. 
          I ACCEPT THAT. 
          OKAY, WONDERFUL. 
          SO, UM, UH, ALL IN FAVOR FOR, UM, THE AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE. 
          AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE'LL GO ON TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO PROACTIVELY INSPECT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OR APARTMENT COMPLEXES FOR COMPLIANCE WITH MINIMUM HEALTH AND SAFETY HOUSING STANDARDS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE, YEP. 
          THAT IS ALSO MIKE, I'M SORRY, MIKE. 
          I, I HOPE YOU NO, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMITTEE. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHANNON, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES . 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE, UM, WITH SOME OF THE BACKUP THAT WE SUGGESTED. 
          AND SO, DO YOU WANNA WALK US THROUGH THAT? YES, VERY QUICKLY. 
          UH, A LOT OF THIS IS THE INFORMATION YOU SAW, BUT A FEW THINGS HAVE CHANGED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DATA. 
          SO, UH, AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, UM, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT INSPECTIONS, APARTMENT CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE'VE HEARD FROM SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SPOKE, UM, EARLY IN THIS MEETING. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE, SOME IDEAS OR PROPOSALS TO START A PROCESS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO DO MORE PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS TO ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS AND APARTMENT, UM, UH, UH, APARTMENT, UH, LIVING AREAS. 
          SO OUR CURRENT CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, REMEMBER, UH, IT'S MOSTLY REACTIVE, MEANING WE GET CALLS TO GO CHECK ON SOMETHING, UH, WE'RE INVITED INTO RESIDENCE LOCATION WHILE WE'RE THERE, WE MAY SEE SOMETHING ELSE AND WE INITIATE ANOTHER CASE. 
          SO I MAY HAVE ONE REACTIVE CASE AND I INITIATE ANOTHER PROACTIVE CASE 'CAUSE I'M THERE AND I SEE SOMETHING ELSE. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WORK, UH, IF THERE'S VIOLATIONS, WE WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO CORRECT. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE A MULTI-TENANT, UH, TEAM. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY AN EX, IT'S OUR EXISTING CODE OFFICERS. 
          WHEN WE GET A PRETTY BAD ONE, WE JUST KIND OF PULL THEM OFF REGULAR DUTY TO KIND OF GO, UH, LOOK AT THIS KIND OF SPECIALIZED, UH, COUPLE OF THE ONES THAT, THAT WERE SPOKEN ABOUT. 
          THE, THE SEVEN OAKS AND THE WACH MANOR THIS SUMMER. 
          I THINK WE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          WE DO THOSE, THAT'S A FEW TIMES A YEAR, BUT THAT'S EXISTING STAFF, UH, THAT HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA TRAINING AND, UH, WHEN DEPARTMENTS, UH, IS HAVE, HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. 
          AND OF COURSE, WE WORK WITH OUR OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS. 
          UH, THE UNIQUE CHALLENGES APARTMENT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK AMIN PRESENTED ON THIS LAST TIME. 
          UH, THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S MULTIPLE UNITS, RIGHT? UH, MULTIPLE, UH, TENANTS AND FAMILIES. 
          WE KNOW THERE ARE TENANT AND LANDLORD ISSUES, AND THERE ARE ESTATE LAWS AND LOCAL LAWS ABOUT THAT IN GENERAL THAT SOMETIMES ARE BEYOND EVEN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STUFF. 
          UH, BUT, UH, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE RECENT EXAMPLES. 
          BUT, UH, 
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LAST MONTH, UH, WE SHOWED YOU THE THREE OPTIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, OPTIONS, 1, 2, 3, THEY'RE ALL GETTING, UM, UH, JUST CODIFIED AS THAT, OR, OR THAT'S ALL WE REFERENCED 'EM, UH, BUT YOU ASKED US TO BRING SOME CODE DATA AND SEE IF THE THREE OPTIONS COULD BE PHASED. 
          AND THEN, UH, WHAT ABOUT, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE HOUSING COMMISSION OR RENT SUBCOMMITTEE AS PART OF THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          SO I'M GONNA CLARIFY THAT. 
          SO OPTION ONE, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY DONE OPTION ONE, UH, THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS. 
          UH, SO JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, YOU ALREADY, UH, MAYBE LAST WEEK, OH, GEEZ, UH, LAST WEEK, YOU, YOU ADOPTED THIS, UH, WHERE WE ADDED TWO CODE OFFICERS. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HIRE THOSE AND IMMEDIATELY START FINDING WAYS MORE PROACTIVE, FOCUSING MORE ON THAT. 
          NOW, THAT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH, UH, TO GET EVERYBODY RIGHT TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S THAT OPTION ONE TO SAY, LOOK, I HAVE SOME SPECIALIZED DEPARTMENT CODE OFFICERS. 
          WE WILL HIRE THOSE HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS THROUGH THE BUDGET, UH, AND OUR NORMAL HIRING. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT HAS STARTED, AND THAT WILL TAKE INTO EFFECT AS WE FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE WE WANT TO DO AS A CITY. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO, UM, SO OPTION TWO, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE REFER TO AS THE BAD ACTOR PROGRAM. 
          UH, SO SHOULD WE BE DOING, UH, THOSE APARTMENTS? AND I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, THE MEMBERS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION KINDA GAVE YOU THE STATS. 
          THERE'S THOUSANDS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND, YOU KNOW, 300,000 UNITS. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM THAT DO IT WELL, MEANING WE NEVER GET CALLED OUT FOR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES. 
          UH, AND ARE THOSE THE QUOTE UNQUOTE GOOD ACTORS? WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH THEM, IF ANYTHING? BUT WE REALLY, I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FOCUS ON THOSE THAT ARE NOT DOING IT WELL. 
          THEY'RE NOT TREATING THEIR RESIDENTS TO, UH, ADEQUATE LIVING CONDITIONS OR JUST BASIC HABIT HABITABILITY, UH, WHICH IS DEFINED IN OUR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES. 
          BUT THE THINGS WE ALL HEARD ABOUT, WE ALL SEE, AND WHEN IT BECOMES BAD, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ONES. 
          UH, SO WE THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS OPTION CHANGING CITY CODE. 
          I'M NOT SURE HOW YET, BUT, UH, WORKING TO DEVELOP AN, AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, LOOK, IF YOU FIT INTO THIS CATEGORY WHERE YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE PROBLEMS, UH, KEEPING YOUR PROPERTY SAFE FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, THEN, THEN YOU NEED TO, UH, COME UP WITH EITHER, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A REGISTRATION OR PAYMENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DEDICATED STAFF TO REALLY PROACTIVELY INSPECT YOU. 
          NOW, THE IDEA HERE IS IF YOU'RE DOING IT WELL, IF WE NEVER GET CALLED OUT, THERE'S NEVER ANY TENANT ISSUES OVER HERE, UH, THEN WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY HAVE EXTRA PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENTS THAT THAT WOULD BE WHAT THIS OPTION ENTAILS. 
          SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD KIND OF DISCUSS THAT. 
          I THINK THAT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION, JUST A GENERAL RECOMMENDATION LAST TIME. 
          UH, THAT'S AT LEAST PROBABLY A GOOD PLACE TO START NEXT, UH, TO CONSIDER. 
          UH, AGAIN, THE THIRD OPTION IS JUST REQUIRING ALL APARTMENTS, PROBABLY FIVE UNITS OR MORE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DEFINE AS AN APARTMENT, PROBABLY, UH, EVERYONE TO GET PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS EITHER YEARLY OR EVERY OTHER YEAR, UH, EVERY UNIT, A PERCENTAGE OF UNITS. 
          UM, WHETHER, WHETHER YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OR NOT A GREAT JOB. 
          YOU JUST, EVERYBODY'S TREATED THE SAME ON THIS. 
          AND YOU, YOU HAVE THIS, THIS IS EXPENSIVE, IT'S GONNA COST A LOT OF MONEY. 
          WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE MONEY TO EVERYBODY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA USE THAT TO PROBABLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ADD CODE OFFICERS. 
          THIS IS WHAT THEY DO ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, THOSE NUMBERS OF 300,000 APARTMENT UNITS IN, IN THE CITY, IF, YOU KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TIME, UH, TO IDENTIFY THAT, BUT TO, TO SET THAT PROGRAM AND DO IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S A KIND OF OPTION THREE, THEY ALL HAVE PROS AND CONS, UH, BUT I THINK, UH, A STAKEHOLDER GROUP, UH, NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THESE. 
          NOW, WE RECOMMENDED LAST TIME, UH, THE TASK FORCE STAKEHOLDERS TO INCLUDE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RES THE, THE HOUSING COMMISSION, RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. 
          I THINK, UH, MAYBE COUNCILMAN COURAGE ASKED A QUESTION, WHY AREN'T WE, WHY I DON'T THINK WE HAD HOUSING COMMISSION ON OUR SLIDE LAST TIME. 
          UH, AND I TALKED TO MARK CARMONA QUITE A BIT SINCE THEN. 
          UH, ON, ON THAT AS WELL. 
          IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE HOUSING COMMISSION. 
          UH, THEY HAVE SOME RENTERS ON ONE OF THEIR SUBCOMMITTEES, RIGHT? WE, WE NEED A BALANCED REPRESENTATION. 
          UH, WE NEED PEOPLE THAT ARE, UH, EITHER, UH, RENTAL PEOPLE THAT RENT OR, OR THAT, THAT ORGANIZE AND, AND REPRESENT PEOPLE THAT RENT. 
          AND WE NEED THOSE THAT OWN AND OPERATE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S STILL OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OVER HERE AND FOUR HERE. 
          UH, WE DO HIGHLIGHT OUR BUILDING. 
          YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT OUR, OUR, OUR CONSTRUCTION BOARD. 
          THEY HAVE SOME PEOPLE, SOME MULTI-TENANT POSITIONS THERE. 
          AND, AND I THINK THEY'RE IMPORTANT ONLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY'RE IN THE CODE REQUIREMENT. 
          WE JUST SAW IT'S LIKE, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM MAINTENANCE CODE? HOW DO YOU INSTALL AN HVAC UNIT SAFELY? HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN IT SAFELY, ELECTRICALLY, STRUCTURALLY, ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S IN OUR BUILDING CODES AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES. 
          UH, OF COURSE, THE DEPARTMENT ASSOCIATION, THEY HAVE A LARGE ORGANIZATION, BOARD OF REALTORS HAS A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE DIVISION, ET CETERA. 
          SO I STILL THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO A BALANCED GROUP, PROBABLY FOUR AND FOUR, IF YOU WILL, OR FIVE AND FIVE WOULD, I THINK FOUR AND FOUR SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT, JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE. 
          THESE WOULD BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS, OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD, WE WOULD BRING WHATEVER THAT TASK FORCE COMES TO THE HOUSING COMMISSION FOR FURTHER INPUT BASED ON ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY CONSIDER, UH, FOR OUR, OUR HOUSING CONDITIONS AND, AND, UH, STUFF IN THE CITY. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU. 
          AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, 
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THIS IS SOME DATA. 
          UH, I'M, I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT 22,000. 
          THIS IS TWO YEARS WORTH OF DATA. 
          22,000. 
          WE GOT OVER 9,000 CALLS, SO TWO YEARS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, 5,000, FOUR, 5,000 CALLS. 
          WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL CASES BASED ON WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE. 
          THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 10% OF OUR WORKLOAD. 
          THINK OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          I GOT 115 CODE OFFICER DOING A LOT OF THINGS GOING TO NEIGHBORHOODS, THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, ABOUT 10% OF OUR CALLS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT REPRESENTS. 
          SO WE ABOUT 200,000 PLUS, UH, CASES IN TWO YEARS. 
          BUT THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT WE BREAK THAT DOWN. 
          UH, AGAIN, PROACTIVE REACTIVE, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, WE, WE KIND OF COMBINED THE TWO YEARS TOGETHER. 
          WE DIDN'T BREAK IT OUT YEAR TO YEAR, BUT JUST KIND OF COMBINED THEM. 
          AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 10% OF OUR CALLS ARE MULTI MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY CALLS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD SIZE NUMBER. 
          IT'S NOT A MAJORITY, BUT IT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT NUMBER THAT, THAT, THAT WE SEE. 
          AND, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN BREAK DOWN AND PROVIDE MORE DATA AS NEEDED. 
          BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          UH, AGAIN, UH, SOME OF THE MOST COMMON VIOLATIONS WE SEE, CERTAINLY THE INTERIOR STUFF, RIGHT? UM, AGAIN, THE REACTIVE, BECAUSE WE GET INVITED IN AND WE SEE SOME OTHER THINGS WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE. 
          WE MAY SEE SOME, UH, PROPERTY STUFF, OVERGROWN YARDS, WATER LEAKS, DUMPSTER MAINTENANCE, THAT'S A, THAT'S WHEN WE GET CALLED OUT, RIGHT? UH, IF THEY'RE NOT HAVING THE, THE, UH, THE TRASH COMPANY, UH, CLEANING THE DUMPSTERS REGULARLY, THAT GETS BAD PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF TOP FIVE THAT WE SEE, UH, ON THE MOST COMMON TYPE. 
          SO, SO WITH THAT, UH, AGAIN, YOU'VE ALREADY REALLY COMPLETED PHASE ONE, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I JOKED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD, UH, A GOOD DECISION LAST WEEK. 
          OF COURSE, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          I DO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO START LOOKING AT THAT OPTION TWO. 
          UM, AND THEN I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN ALWAYS DISCUSS AND, AND ASSESS THE NEED FOR THAT OPTION THREE, BUT I THINK THAT OPTION TWO SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU ALL. 
          UH, THESE CAN BE PHASED. 
          I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION. 
          ARE THEY EXCLUSIVE? THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE. 
          THEY CAN BE PHASED. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THIS PHASE TWO OF THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE NEED IT THE MOST, AND THEN CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL HELP US GET THERE, I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK THAT'S THE END OF IT. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE SHANNON. 
          AND, UH, I MIGHT JINX OURSELVES ON THIS ONE, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN EASY ONE, RIGHT? LIKE, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED A BAD ACTOR. 
          SOMETIMES I SAY THAT GOING TO ZONING COMMISSION, AND I'LL SAY, OH, THAT'S, IT'LL BE AN EASY ZONING DAY. 
          NEVERMIND. 
          DON'T DO IT. 
          DON'T DO IT. 
          WELL, WELL, I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR AND BY, BY THE PEOPLE THAT CAME TODAY THAT WE NEED, UH, SOME SORT OF A BAD ACTOR, UH, REGISTRATION LIST. 
          THERE'S JUST NO DOUBT IN MY MIND ABOUT IT. 
          UM, AND I DO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK EVENTUALLY WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER THAT STAKEHOLDER MM-HMM. 
          , UM, LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          UM, IF, IF WE, IF WE HAVE FOUR, FOUR RENTERS, RIGHT? AND, AND BEFORE, I KNOW I GET THE BALANCED PRO APPROACH. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, RENTERS, WHAT ABOUT, UM, ADVOCATES FOR RENTERS? SO LIKE THE TEXAS RIO GRANDE LEGAL AID, OR WOULD, WOULD SOMEONE BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THEM? HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED THAT? I, I, I THINK, YES. 
          I THINK OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE FEEDBACK FROM, FROM YOU ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK THE IDEA IS, LOOK, WE WANT EITHER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THEY'RE RENTERS THEMSELVES AND THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THAT MM-HMM. 
           OR IF THEY WANT TO, UH, BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS A BUNCH OF RENTERS. 
          GOT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, ABOUT LEGAL, PROVIDE LEGAL, YEAH, WE MAY, WE MAY LOOK IN THE LEGAL SERVICES ONE. 
          GOT IT. 
          JUST THE CITY ATTORNEY BASE. 
          SO WE, WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH ANY, ANY LEGAL ISSUES. 
          BUT AGAIN, THE CONCEPT IS YES, UH, BUT WE WOULD, IF THERE'S ANY ORGANIZATION LIKE THAT. 
          SO MAYBE LIKE TOP WOULD BE, I I THINK, I THINK THOSE, THOSE ARE THE, THE INTENT IS, IS TO HAVE PEOPLE REALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE RENTER WONDERFUL. 
          AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICE, WHICH IS THE HOUSING. 
          SURE. 
          UH, BECAUSE WE NEED 'EM BOTH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN'T JUST HAVE ALL OF THESE OR ALL OF THESE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THEY MAKE THAT RELATIONSHIP WORK. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM BOTH SIDES IS THAT WE NEED THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, ON THE STAFFING SIDE OF IT, UM, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE THERE, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND SOMEONE FROM METRO HEALTH OR, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES, UM, ABSOLUTELY AS WELL. 
          JUST BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S HEALTH SAFETY, UH, THAT'S INVOLVED IN THESE ISSUES. 
          SO, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE BE MY RECOMMENDATION. 
          I'M, I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES WILL WEIGH IN, BUT, UM, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEN ALSO, CAN YOU PROVIDE US A TIMELINE, MAYBE IF, IF WE DID GO, UM, AND, AND SO IT'S CLEAR HERE THAT I'M SUPPORTING OPTION TWO. 
          I'LL STILL WAIT TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES. 
          UM, BUT CAN YOU PROVIDE US A TIMELINE EVENTUALLY, UH, OF THE TASK FORCE, THE DEVELOPMENT? UM, ALSO, UM, I, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THESE MEETINGS WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE. 
          YEP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL EFFORTS AND TASK FORCE, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT HAVE FAILED BEFORE. 
          CAN YOU KINDA LIKE, SUMMARIZE THOSE? YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          SO IN THE 2008, 2009 TIMEFRAME, UM, I REALLY WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THE CODE, BUT 
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I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED. 
          THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A, UH, A REQUEST TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE THE OPTION THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST TRYING TO SIMPLIFY IT. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS, UH, SOME DISCUSSION AT THE STAFF LEVEL WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AT THE TIME. 
          UH, SOME INDUSTRY FOLKS, UH, EITHER APARTMENT ASSOCIATIONS, , OTHERS, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE SOME MAYOR AND COUNCIL AT THE TIME, I DUNNO HOW DEEP THAT GOT. 
          UH, AND, UH, THEY CONSIDERED IT, BUT IT, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE END FOR, THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT THAT, THAT THE CITY FELT, UH, LET'S GO WITH THIS. 
          UH, NOW IN, UM, IN 17, IN 2017, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO LOOK AT SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES, RIGHT? THERE WAS AN INCIDENT AT A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. 
          THE FORMER COUNCILMAN IN DISTRICT ONE, COUNCILMAN TRAVINO, ASKED US THROUGH A C C R, HEY, SHOULD WE BE PROACTIVELY LOOKING AT SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES A LITTLE BIT MORE? WE SPENT A COUPLE YEARS KIND OF WORKING ON THAT WITH, WITH A BUNCH OF STAKEHOLDERS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE, UH, THAT WERE WORKING WITH PROVIDING SENIOR LIVING SERVICES, UH, YOU KNOW, ACOG AND SOME OTHERS, UH, THERE WAS AT, AT THE, AT THE END, WE DIDN'T GET TO SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT DOABLE. 
          UH, THERE WAS START SOME, SOME DISCUSSIONS OF SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE A, A, A LEVEL, UH, OPTION TWO, WHICH IS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT IF, 'CAUSE SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES, THOSE ARE HARD TO DEFINE AND HARD TO, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU'RE A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. 
          SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, THE START OF A DISCUSSION OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE A, A TWO, BUT THEN THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED AND IT KIND OF JUST DISBANDED, LOST, UH, I GUESS LOST THE PRIORITY BASED ON EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS KIND OF MAYBE PICKING THAT CONVERSATION UP AGAIN. 
          SO THAT NEVER MADE IT TO THE FINISH LINE. 
          GOD BLESS YOU. 
          UM, BUT MAYBE THIS IS THE THIRD TIME'S A CHARM. 
          I, I, I THINK, I THINK IT PROBABLY IS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          WELL, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          AND I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THE TIME TO ADDRESS SUBSTANDARD HOUSING WAS YESTERDAY. 
          RIGHT? SO, SO WE'RE BEHIND, AND I KNOW THAT, THAT PREVIOUS COUNCILS HAVE TRIED TO, UH, TO NO AVAIL. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS TASK FORCE SHOULD TAKE TOO LONG TO FORM. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT RECOMMENDATIONS, THE SOONER, THE BETTER. 
          UM, WE, WE'VE BEEN AWARE OF PROPERTIES LIKE BURY AND O HOLLOW AND WARBUCK MANOR AND, AND OF COURSE SEVEN OAKS, AND WE HAVE RESIDENTS FROM SEVEN OAKS TODAY. 
          SO, UM, I I, I, I JUST, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD WAIT ANY LONGER ON, ON, ON OPTION TWO, BUT, UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. 
          COUNCILMAN, I, I JUST WANNA ADD, I THINK YOU ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT DO, WHAT DO I THINK THE TIMELINE IS? I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD WORK TOWARDS KIND OF MID, MID-YEAR THAT, THAT MID FISCAL YEAR, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA TAKE US SOME MEETINGS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, GET THE TASK FORCE TOGETHER, THEN WORK IT THROUGH THE HOUSING COMMISSION, BUT BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN THE MARCH TIMEFRAME, FEBRUARY, MARCH TIMEFRAME. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING ON IN TERMS OF WHAT I THINK WE CAN GET ACCOMPLISHED. 
          IF YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? ARE YOU THINKING, YOU THINKING FASTER? NO, I'M THINKING LIKE, LET'S WORK ON IT ASAP AND HAVE IT READY TO GO BY THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR LATEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S FEEDBACK START IN JANUARY ONE LATEST. 
          RIGHT. 
           AND BACK TO THIS, LIKE, BACK, BACK TO YOU ALL IN JANUARY. 
          NO. 
          OR, OR IN DECEMBER. 
          BACK TO US IN DECEMBER. 
          AND I, I AM, I'M SURE THAT SOME OF US WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE UP A COUPLE OF HOURS OF OUR TIME JUST FOR A MEETING FOR THAT ALONE IN DECEMBER. 
          I KNOW PEOPLE TAKE OFF AROUND HERE, BUT I'M SURE THAT IT'S THAT IMPORTANT THAT WE'LL COME BACK. 
          SO, WELL, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO FORMALIZE THIS TASK FORCE, WE, WE WILL, WE WILL LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME PROGRESS REPORTS TO SEE IF SOMETHING IS GONNA SLOW THAT DOWN, IF THE GOT IT. 
          IF THE, IF THE DISCUSSION AND DEBATE IS JUST, UM, TOO, TOO, TOO MUCH OR SOMETHING. 
          GOT IT. 
          THAT'S A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND, WHICH NOTHING'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, BUT I BELIEVE IN YOU, MIKE. 
          SHANNON, I KNOW YOU DO. 
          YOU'VE GOT, I KNOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? YOU SEE HOW SHE DOES THAT? ROD, ROD, WE WILL COME BACK IN DECEMBER WITH EITHER A PROPOSAL OR A STATUS, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS COMMITTEE. 
          HOW THAT'S THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S GOOD ONE. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          EARLY DECEMBER. 
          I LIKE THAT. 
          WE'RE JUST, WE, WE JUST BELIEVE IN YOU. 
          LET ME TELL YOU. 
          SO THIS IS GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WHO, UH, ANYBODY WANT TO, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE THEN. 
          COUNCILMAN NAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I THINK THIS IS, UH, A WELL, UH, THOUGHT OUT PLAN FOR MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, ONE QUESTION I HAD, I THINK YOU MENTIONED ABOUT 10% OF YOUR CODE COMPLIANCE ARE RELATED TO MULTIFAMILY. 
          IS THAT ALL? YEAH, SO THAT 22,000 NUMBER THAT I PUT UP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET THAT SLIDE BACK UP, JUST, JUST A GENERAL DATA. 
          UH, WE PULLED THAT ABOUT 10% OF THE CASES WE WORK ON ARE RELATED TO, UH, MULTI-TENANT, MULTI APARTMENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE PULLED THAT DATA, UH, THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE DO A LOT OF STUFF, UH, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY MM-HMM. 
           THE MAJORITY OF IT. 
          AND THEN WE GET CALLS, UH, FOR CERTAINLY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TOO. 
          SO THEN WE'RE SAYING ABOUT 2300 OUT OF THAT 22,900, NO, NO, NO, THAT 22,000 IS THE NUMBER. 
          MY TOTAL CASELOAD IN TWO YEARS IS ABOUT, IS JUST OVER 200,000. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, OKAY. 
          THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW, BECAUSE I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR 
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THAT YOU HAD TO REACTED TO CODE COMPLIANCE AND MULTIFAMILY IN MY, MY DISTRICT 852 TIMES IN TWO YEARS. 
          THAT, THAT REALLY IS WORRISOME TO ME. 
          I I HADN'T THOUGHT THAT, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN RENTAL HOMES IN DISTRICT NINE WERE HAVING THAT MUCH OF A CONCERN ABOUT CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUES. 
          SO, UH, IT EVEN MORE STRONGLY, UH, I THINK GETS MY SUPPORT FOR US TO, TO BE MOVING ON THIS. 
          UM, NOW I WANT TO BE SURE ON THE TASK FORCE OF STAKEHOLDERS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUAL REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND PROPERTY MANAGERS, AND THEN THE RENTERS AND MAYBE RENTER ADVOCATES, SO MM-HMM. 
           EQUAL REPRESENTATION, WHETHER THERE'S FOUR ON EACH SIDE OF FIVE ON EACH SIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL, IS TO HAVE KIND OF FOUR SEATS ON THE RENTER'S SIDE, MEANING THE RENT. 
          I'M, I'M A, I'M, I'M A PHYSICAL RENTER. 
          I WANT TO, I WANT TO SERVE, OR I REPRESENT, I'M AN ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS THE INTEREST OF RENTERS FROM THAT LENS. 
          AND THEN I HAVE OVER HERE THOSE THAT REALLY OWN OR OPERATE OR MANAGE, UM, MULTI-TENANT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE, I THINK WE NEED. 
          NOW, AGAIN, WE ALWAYS, WHEN WE PUT THESE TASK FORCE TOGETHER, I ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WONDER HOW BIG IS TOO BIG? HOW SMALL IS TOO SMALL, OKAY. 
          BUT ALSO ALLOWING THE OPEN MEETINGS CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN IS PROBABLY GONNA BE PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THOSE MEETINGS. 
          LIKE WE, LIKE, LIKE WE HAVE, I THINK THAT'S THE NORM. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S OUR PROPOSAL IF, AND, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, WE CAN GET THAT SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WORKS. 
          AND SO OFTEN WE HAVE MEETINGS DURING WHAT WE CONSIDER CITY COUNCIL WORKING TIMES, AND WE KNOW CITIZENS CAN'T SHOW UP. 
          SO I HOPE THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO A REASONABLE TIME, UH, FOR MEETING SO THAT COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES CAN BE THERE AND SHARE THEIR EXPANDED KNOWLEDGE BESIDE JUST MAYBE, UH, WHO REPRESENTS EACH SIDE. 
          SO, UH, JUST ASKING FOR THAT TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS SERIOUS ENOUGH THAT I HOPE THAT WE CAN, UH, ONCE THIS IS MOVING FORWARD, I HOPE WE CAN GET A REPORT BACK, UH, IN 12 MONTHS AND MAYBE 18 MONTHS. 
          UH, I SEE PHASE THREE, WHICH IS POSSIBLE EXPANSION BEYOND PHASE TWO, WHICH MEANS MAKING, MOVING TO A MORE MANDATORY PROGRAM, UH, THAT, THAT'S ANTICIPATED AS, AS A POINT OF DISCUSSION, MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO DOWN THE LINE. 
          BUT I HOPE THIS COMMITTEE GETS A REPORT BACK WITHIN 12 MONTHS AND THEN MAYBE 18 MONTHS SO WE CAN EVALUATE, DO WE SEE THIS IS REALLY WORKING WELL? NOW IT'S NOT TO SAY IT WON'T START WITHIN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE MONTHS ONCE IT GETS GOING, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANNA WAIT A YEAR OR LONGER TO HEAR BACK HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S, UH, BEING EFFECTIVE AND IF IT'S LOWERING, OR WE'RE FINDING IT'S REDUCING THE NUMBER OF, OF CONCERNS OR COMPLAINTS. 
          SO, AND I, I AGREE, COUNCILMAN, THAT'S SOMETHING EVEN, UH, WE, WE CAN ACTUALLY WRITE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE, EITHER AN ANNUAL REPORT OR AN UPDATE EVERY 12 OR 18 MONTHS TO THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE. 
          UH, OR AT LEAST IN THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS OF IT, WE, WE CAN DO THAT TO SEE HOW IT'S WORKING. 
          BUT, BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, WE SHOULD PLAN ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          UM, IN COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          THAT'S THE REASON THAT I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF IT, IT COULD BE ALSO ADVOCATES, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE RENTERS THAT I REPRESENT, THEY WORK TWO JOBS, SOMETIMES THEY WORK THREE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TIME. 
          SO, AND THEN THAT WAS THE REASON. 
          SO, SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR POINTING THAT OUT AS WELL. 
          I, UM, COUNCILMAN BIRAN, UH, THANK YOU. 
          I THINK, UM, THIS IS VERY NECESSARY. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DO EVENTUALLY WANNA GET WHERE ALL OUR CODE OFFICERS ARE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE AND TRAINED. 
          SO IF THEY'RE DRIVING BY, UH, AN APARTMENT, THEY CAN, AND THEY SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTERIOR OR TRACK THAT, THAT THEY DON'T JUST LEAVE IT TO ONE AND THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A TEAM COMMITTED TO THIS 10% IS, IS NEEDED. 
          AND WE HAVE THAT, AND I'M EXCITED. 
          AND I THINK OPTION TWO RIGHT NOW IS THE BEST WHERE WE NEED TO START FIRST TO MOVE QUICKLY. 
          UM, SO GETTING THIS, THIS FOUR, FOUR REPRESENTATION IS KEY. 
          I KNOW THE HOUSING COMMITTEE HAS A RENTER'S, UH, COMMISSION THAT THEY, THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS ABOUT CODE AND CODE VIOLATIONS AND NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE HOUSING COMMISSION DOES. 
          SO WHILE I THINK THE HOUSING COMMISSION IS 
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A GREAT RESOURCE, I REALLY WANT THIS COMMITTEE OF, UM, THIS COMMITTEE OF EIGHT NOT TO BE MUDDIED DOWN WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE HOUSING SIDE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , BECAUSE WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC PRIORITIES THERE. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT I WANNA START WITH THAT BAD ACTORS' REGISTRY. 
          AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN GO FROM THERE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE IS FROM THAT BAD ACTOR'S REGISTRY, WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT NEW CATEGORIES FOR THIS, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD TODAY, UH, FROM THE, THE RESIDENTS HERE IS THAT IN SOME CASES, THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GETTING INTO WHERE THEY CAN TAKE LEGAL ACTION A AGAINST THIS LANDLORD. 
          AND ALL WE CAN DO IS A CITY RIGHT NOW IS PROVIDE THAT INSPECTION THAT SAYS, YES, THEY VIOLATED. 
          SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE DO THE VETTING ABOUT T R L A AND EVEN TOP THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A CONFLICT IF WE PUT THIS ON THE COMMITTEE SO THAT THEY CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR THEM IN THE LEGAL REALM. 
          THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS US AS THE COMMITTEE IS LOOK AT IS, IS THERE FUNDING OUT THERE THAT WE CAN FIND THAT CAN HELP IN THIS PROCESS WHEN WE HAVE BAD ACTORS THAT NEED TO, THAT, THAT DON'T CHANGE, THAT CONTINUE TO DO THIS, AND HOW DO WE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE, UH, AND HOW CAN WE AS A CITY HELP THEM BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE? BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A PROCESS WHERE WE, PEOPLE ARE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A REAL MEANS TO DO THAT. 
          SO I THINK BEFORE WE EVEN TALK ABOUT A GENERAL REGISTRY, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THESE BAD ACTORS, HOW WE'RE GONNA HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND WHAT THE CITY CAN WITHIN, WITHIN OUR REALM, DO IT. 
          THE OTHER THING I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO LOOK AT, I KNOW FOR SPECIFICALLY IN MY AREA IS THESE MOTELS, BUT THEY TRY AND FUNCTION LIKE AN APARTMENT BECAUSE THEY'RE CHARGING PEOPLE WEEKLY OR MONTHLY, BUT THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LOOKED AT AT, THEY, THEY HAVE THE MOTE MOTEL SIGN UP. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT THOSE COMPLAINTS COME IN, AND WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TRY AND FIND A WAY TO, TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          SO I, I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO MOVING THIS FORWARD. 
          I THINK IF WE CAN GET, UM, A COMMITTEE SET SO WE CAN MOVE FAST ON THIS, AND THEN WE LOOK BACK AND, AND SEE WHAT, WHAT OTHER PROBLEMS HAVE COME UP AND WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO, WHERE WE NEED, UH, THE LEGAL ASSISTANCE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN HELP IN THIS COMMITTEE. 
          UM, COUNCILWOMAN, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, COMMENT VERY QUICKLY THAT THE CITY DOES CURRENTLY HAVE SEVERAL TOOLS, UH, THAT WE UTILIZE ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY TO HOLD THE, UH, BAD ACTOR, LANDLORDS AND ANY, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF OUR CITY CODES ACCOUNTABLE. 
          UM, AND SO OBVIOUSLY THIS ITEM IS INTENDED TO, TO PROACTIVELY GET AHEAD OF THE PROBLEM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO TOO MUCH, UH, RETROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT. 
          BUT I JUST DID WANNA REASSURE YOU THAT, UM, OUR MUNICIPAL COURT, OUR CODE ATTORNEYS, WE HAVE CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS THAT WE DO, WE HAVE CIVIL LAWSUITS THAT WE FILE AGAINST THESE, UH, OWNERS THAT ARE CREATING A SIGNIFICANT, UH, RISK OF HEALTH AND SAFETY THROUGH THEIR CODE VIOLATIONS. 
          UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE STATE LAWS WHERE THERE'S STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE CAN GET INVOLVED. 
          SO WE DO ALREADY HAVE SEVERAL TOOLS. 
          WE DO UTILIZE THEM AND, UH, AND WE DO GET A LOT OF SUCCESSFUL, UH, RESULTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND, AND I KNEW WE HAD, I THINK THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND OUR REST OF OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES WANNA SEE IT, MOVE IT FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO START REALLY WITH THOSE BAD ACTORS, GETTING PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE TO REALLY HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE LEGALLY, AND, AND LET THE BAD ACTORS KNOW THIS ISN'T JUST LIP SERVICE. 
          THIS IS US. 
          THIS IS A NEW EXPECTATION THAT WE HAVE, AND WE'RE, WE'RE, THESE ARE THE RESOURCES WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD. 
          SO I LOOK FORWARD TO, TO MOVING THIS TO FULL COUNSEL, AND HOPEFULLY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TIMELINE THAT COUNCILMAN ROCHA GARCIA HAD, WHERE WE'RE BRIEFED IN DECEMBER, AND THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GET A MID-YEAR BRIEFING WHERE IF WE NEED TO ADD ANOTHER COMMITTEE OR, OR CREATE A NEW CARE CATEGORY OF, I DON'T WANNA SAY SUPER BAD ACTORS, BUT IN THAT REGISTRY WHERE, WHERE OUR, WHERE THE RESIDENTS ARE SPEAKING UP AND SAYING, IT'S NOT CHANGING, IT'S NOT GETTING ANY BETTER. 
          THAT, THAT WE HAVE, THAT MEANS THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          DO YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD? OH, I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO FULL COUNSEL. 
          SECOND. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK, OH, 
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NOPE. 
          SORRY. 
          WE, I THINK THE MOTION, THE, THE, THE, SORRY, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAD WAS SUPPORT AND MAYBE ACTION TO MOVE FORWARD AS PROPOSED WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          YES. 
          OH, SORRY. 
          WITH THE TIME, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO HIT THE TIMELINE THAT YOU SUGGESTED YES. 
          WITH, WITH A MINIMUM DECEMBER, WE GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, OR HERE'S THE STATUS. 
          WE'RE CLOSE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP WITH A REPORT TO BE PROVIDED SOMETIME IN DECEMBER TO THIS, TO THIS COMMITTEE. 
          TO THIS COMMITTEE, YEP. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN , COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO, AND THEN FOLLOWED BY COUNCILWOMAN . 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THERE'S, UH, EXTREME URGENCY IN MOVING THIS FORWARD TO GET TO, UM, STEP THREE, RIGHT? THE PROPOSAL FOR ITEM THREE, UH, I VALUE THE, THE TIERED APPROACH, RIGHT IN GETTING TO THAT ITEM THREE. 
          AND, UH, I AM SUPPORTIVE FOR THE TAX TASK FORCE GROUP FOR THE CITY STAFF TO INCLUDE METRO HEALTH, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE, UH, HEALTH IMPACTS WHEN IT COMES TO UNLIVABLE CONDITIONS WITH THE PROPOSED MAKEUP. 
          I AM SUPPORTIVE OF ENSURING THAT THOSE WHO DO ORGANIZE RENTERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND REPRESENT TENANTS ON THIS COMMITTEE FOR THE REASONS ALREADY EXPRESSED BY THIS COMMITTEE, RIGHT? WE KNOW RENTERS ARE WORKING MULTIPLE JOBS, UM, AND THEN RIGHT IN THE SAME WAY THAT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SAN ANTONIO APARTMENTS ASSOCIATION HAS LEADERSHIP REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT BODY, RIGHT? WE ALSO HAVE THAT WHEN IT COMES TO TENANTS, TENANTS, UNIONS, AND ORGANIZERS. 
          SO MY HOPE IS THAT, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT, TEXAS ORGANIZING PROJECT, UH, TRIAL, UH, TRALA, UH, TEXAS HOUSERS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE IN A CAPACITY TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE REPRESENTING TENANTS ON THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP. 
          I AM A BIT HESITANT FOR, UM, POTENTIAL HOUSING COMMISSIONERS TO SERVE. 
          I KNOW WITH THE CURRENT, UH, R F P PROCESS, WITH THE HOUSING BOND FOLKS ARE KIND OF REALLY SPREAD THIN AND AT CAPACITY THERE. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, BOOTS ON THE GROUND HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TENANTS AND RENTERS ON THE CONDITIONS THAT I THINK, UM, WOULD REPRESENT, UH, TENANTS, UH, APPROPRIATELY. 
          UM, WITH THAT, AGAIN, IT'S, THIS IS URGENT SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN PABLO. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT I, I, UH, SUPPORT THE, UM, YOU MOVING FORWARD IN, IN AN EXPEDITED FASHION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? UH, ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU.
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