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          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UH, TODAY WE'VE GOT AN INTERESTING AGENDA. 
          I, I BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UH, THE SBA INTERVIEWS FIRST, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THEIR PIECE AND THEN GO ON THEIR WAY. 
          AND SO, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT, UH, HAVE SHOWN, WELL, 
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ACTUALLY, WE'RE GONNA STOP HERE. 
          WE HAVE MINUTES TO APPROVE, DON'T WE? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE AUGUST, 2013, OR NO, AUGUST 31ST. 
          WELL, IF SHE MOVES TO APPROVE AT, I'LL SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE GOT A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING THE MINUTES, PLEASE SAY, AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THEY ARE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. 
          UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT SHOWED UP TO, UH, TO INTERVIEW, THE WAY WE DO THIS IS WE KICK YOU OUT INTO OUR, UH, SOUNDPROOF OUTDOORS. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE INVITE YOU BACK IN ONE BY ONE. 
          UH, WE ASK YOU QUESTIONS, UM, AND THEN AFTER YOU'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STICK AROUND OR YOU'RE WELCOME TO LEAVE. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. 
          I KNOW THAT YOU ALL ARE BUSY PROFESSIONALS. 
          UM, AND SO WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA ASK, UH, THE FOUR MEMBERS, UH, OR THE FOUR CANDIDATES TO STEP OUTSIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AND CAN YOU MIND? YEAH. 
          IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA ASK THE FOUR CANDIDATES TO STEP OUTSIDE NOW. 
          UM, AND WE WILL ASK MR. MATTHEW GONZALEZ TO STAY IN, IS MATTHEW HERE? MATTHEW, WHY DON'T YOU TO STICK AROUND? UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE GOING FIRST AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MARTIN GUTIERREZ. 
          THEN MR. UH, MO, UH, OMI, AND THEN MS. YEN. 
          OKAY. 
          COME ON UP, MR. MR. GONZALEZ. 
          UM, EACH ONE OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS IS JUST GONNA ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS. 
          UM, NOTHING HARD, UH, JUST, UH, WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET TO KNOW YOU A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL START ON MY RIGHT WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN ROCIA GARCIA, UM, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INTEREST. 
          MATTHEW, I'M GONNA ASK YOU WHAT YOU THINK, SIR, DO THEY, THEY HAVE A THREE MINUTE COMMENT. 
          YOU SCREWED THAT. 
          THAT'S SCREWED THAT UP. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO YOU GET AN OPENING STATEMENT, UH, AND, UH, TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR ABOUT THREE MINUTES AND THEN, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU QUESTIONS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          UH, SO MY NAME IS MATTHEW GONZALEZ. 
          I AM THE BUSINESS MANAGER OF LABORERS LOCAL 10 95, AND AFFILIATED OF LABORERS INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA. 
          UH, WE COVER 66 COUNTIES, CENTRAL SOUTHWEST TEXAS, UH, RANGING FROM, UH, TEMPLE KILLEEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ENTIRE RIO GRANDE VALLEY, AS FAR WEST AS DEL RIO IN SAN ANGELO. 
          UH, WE ARE A CONSTRUCTION UNION AS WELL AS A SERVICE CONTRACT UNION. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT 700 MEMBERS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO WHO PROVIDE CUSTODIAL HOUSEKEEPING GROUNDS MAINTENANCE SERVICES FOR MILITARY BASES. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, WHAT WE DO IS REPRESENT THOSE WORKERS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TREATED FAIRLY AND DIGNIFIED AS FAR AS WAGES AND BENEFITS AND, AND WORK ENVIRONMENT, UH, AT THEIR PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT. 
          UH, WE ALSO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UH, WE, I HAVE PREVIOUSLY SERVED, UH, ON THE, UH, BUILDING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, WHERE I SERVED, UH, FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. 
          I ALSO SERVED PREVIOUSLY ON THE COMMUNITY BOND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR AUSTIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, UH, WHERE I ALSO SERVED AS VICE CHAIR OF THE HUB SUBCOMMITTEE. 
          UM, IN THAT POSITION, UH, WE WERE REALLY IN CHARGE OF ENSURING THAT BOND DOLLARS WERE USED APPROPRIATELY. 
          AND SO WE WOULD, UH, FREQUENTLY REVIEW THE PROPOSALS FROM STAFF AND, UH, APPROVE THOSE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TRUSTEES OF THE BOARD. 
          UH, DRILLING DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THE HUB SUBCOMMITTEE, WE WORK TO, UH, REEVALUATE THE EVALUATION MATRIX, UH, IN THE, UH, PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS FAIR AND EQUITABLE. 
          UM, UH, ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HUB AND WHAT THAT MEANS, AND SO ENSURING THAT THERE'S A EQUAL LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR, UH, WOMEN IN, UH, OWNED BUSINESSES, VETERAN OWNED BUSINESSES, AND, UH, MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES IS A VERY KEY COMPONENT TO THAT PROCESS. 
          UM, WE CONTINUE TO, TO WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, FIRST MARINE DIVISION OF SAN ANTONIO, YOUNG MARINES OF SAN ANTONIO, UM, MOBILE LOAVES AND FISHES, UH, A HOMELESS, UH, ADVOCACY GROUP IN AUSTIN, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE PARTNER WITH, WITH THE STATE, A F L C I O AND THE SAN ANTONIO, A F L C I O. 
          ALRIGHT, NOW IT'S COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU, MATTHEW. 
          I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE, UM, WITH OUR LABOR UNIONS. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT IT'S, UM, WELL, SO I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR INTEREST, BUT DO YOU HAVE, UH, IN YOUR MIND WHAT YOU THINK THE GREATEST NEED OR CHALLENGES THAT'S FACING THE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU, UM, GIVE THE CITY IN ADDRESSING THAT? SO, SOME OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT, THAT WE SEE BOTH IN, YOU KNOW, EVERYDAY NEWS AND, AND, AND ARTICLES, AND ALSO HEARING FROM SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IS, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH INFLATION, RIGHT? 
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THAT'S ONE PART OF IT. 
          UH, ANOTHER PART IS DEALING WITH THE WORKFORCE ISSUES. 
          UH, AND SO EVEN NOW THAT EMPLOYERS ARE STARTING TO SEE, UH, A NEED TO PAY MORE ON AN HOURLY WAGE OR SALARY, IT'S STILL DIFFICULT IN IDENTIFYING THOSE KEY CANDIDATES THAT CAN BENEFIT THEIR TEAM. 
          UM, SO TRYING TO FIND WAYS FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES TO PARTNER WITH LARGER PIPELINE ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN FEED EMPLOYEES INTO THEIR OPERATIONS IS A KEY COMPONENT. 
          UM, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IS, IS PART OF THAT. 
          AND SO MAKING SURE THAT WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, HIGHER LEARNING INSTITUTIONS, WHETHER IT'S UNIONS OR, YOU KNOW, UH, NON-UNION ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN FEED, UH, THAT WORKFORCE INTO THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES IS VITAL. 
          UM, AND SO I MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, BUT LET'S GET THE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE WHO DO, AND LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, MATTHEW, FOR YOUR INTEREST ON SERVING IN, UH, THE SS A YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD ANYTHING IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          SMALL BUSINESSES ARE DEALING WITH QUITE A FEW ISSUES, RIGHT? LIKE INFLATION, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UH, ISSUES WITH HIRING LABOR AND CITY CONSTRUCTION. 
          HOW DO YOU FEEL THE SMALL BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN HELP THE CITY'S SMALL BUSINESSES MITIGATE THESE IMPACTS? DEPENDING ON THE COMPANY'S SIZE AND THEIR, THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, THEY MAY QUALIFY FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. 
          THEY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, UM, EVEN AT A LOCAL LEVEL, THERE COULD BE FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM. 
          UH, SO FINDING WAYS TO, UH, VERIFY THEIR, THEIR, UH, CRITERIA AND BEING ABLE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA, UH, TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE AND HELP WALK THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS, UH, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          UM, A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY EITHER FINANCIALLY OR STAFF WISE, TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT. 
          AND SO HAVING A, UM, SOMEONE TO GUIDE THEM MM-HMM, , UH, FROM THE CITY, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THEM, UH, POSSIBLY CREATE A MENTOR-MENTEE RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER, UH, LARGER COMPANY, UH, IN THE AREA, COULD ALSO BE BENEFICIAL. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          GREAT IDEAS. 
          THANK YOU, MATTHEW. 
          THANK, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          COURAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR OFFERING YOURSELF TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. 
          UH, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE HEAR MOST ABOUT RECENTLY IN SAN ANTONIO WHEN IT COMES TO SMALL BUSINESS IS THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON ALL OVER THE CITY, AND HOW, UH, A LOT OF SMALL, MEDIUM, AND EVEN LARGE BUSINESSES ARE, UH, KIND OF TRAPPED BY THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CITY OR DEVELOPERS OR BUSINESS NEEDS TO DO TO ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF CONCERNS ABOUT BUSINESSES BEING TRAPPED BY CONSTRUCTION FOR LENGTHY PERIODS OF TIME? TO SOME DEGREE, UM, THERE'S NO WAY AROUND CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT? UH, WHETHER IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION OR REMODEL OR, YOU KNOW, UPDATES. 
          UM, BUT I THINK AS A CITY WE CAN TAKE A, A STEP IN THE DIRECTION OF WHEN A DEVELOPER, UH, IS SUBMITTING A, UH, REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL OR A REQUEST FOR PERMIT AND OR A PROPOSAL, UH, THEY SHOULD BAKE INTO THAT A, UH, TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN. 
          AND SO WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO PROPOSE TO THE CITY AS, UH, THEIR BEST EFFORTS TO MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES FOR THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES? UH, AND IN PART, THAT PLAN SHOULD BE SHARED WITH THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED TO ENSURE THAT IT COINCIDES WITH WHAT THEIR BUSINESS NEEDS ARE. 
          UM, YOU DON'T WANT TO UNILATERALLY, UH, MAKE A DECISION THAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST FOR THAT BUSINESS OWNER ONLY TO FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT IT WAS THE WRONG DECISION. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN SOME WAYS IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, BUT ENGAGING THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON. 
          THIS IS THE PROPOSAL PUT FORTH BY THE DEVELOPER, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OR TDOT OR, UH, IF IT'S A BUILDING CONSTRUCTION ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, HAVE YOU FOLLOWED THE, UH, THE SBAC MEETINGS AND HAVE YOU SEEN SOME OF THE ADVICE AND, UM, COUNSEL THAT WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING FROM THEM? I'M SORRY. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, HAVE YOU, UH, JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, AND I'M GONNA ASK THIS OF EVERYBODY WHO'S UP, WHO'S UP HERE. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THESE ARE LONG MEETINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE PUTTING, UM, THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA PUT YOU IN. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S EXPECTED FROM THIS COMMITTEE IS ADVICE, UM, SO THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN CREATE POLICY THAT WOULD, UH, ASSIST SMALL BUSINESSES TO THRIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YOU'RE, 
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YOU'RE ON BOARD WITH THAT. 
          YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANKS FOR SO MUCH FOR, UH, FOR JOINING US TODAY. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US BEFORE YOU, YOU TAKE OFF? UH, NO. 
          I WOULD JUST THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION AND THE APPOINTMENT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. 
          OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS MARTIN GUTIERREZ. 
          MR. GUTIERREZ, WELCOME. 
          EVERYBODY GETS THREE MINUTES AS AN OPENING STATEMENT. 
          UM, JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, LET US KNOW WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE HORN AND ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          SO, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN, MANNY LY. 
          I'M MEMBERS OF THE ECONOMIC WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. 
          MY NAME IS MARTIN GUTIERREZ, 28 YEARS OLD, BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. 
          THE ONLY TIME I SPENT OUTSIDE OF SAN ANTONIO WAS WHEN I ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN. 
          MY CURRENT JOB IS THE DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND BUSINESS ADVOCACY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO HISPANIC CHAMBER. 
          IN MY ROLE, I'M THE PRIMARY INTERFACE BETWEEN SAN ANTONIO HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES ON ISSUES IMPACTING THE MORE THAN 900 MEMBERS OF THE HISPANIC CHAMBER. 
          I'M PLEASED TO SHARE THAT THE MAJORITY, 70% OF OUR MEMBERS ARE SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          OUTSIDE OF MY ADVOCACY EFFORTS. 
          I MANAGE THE HISP HISPANIC CHAMBERS, WORK IN SMALL BUSINESS, AND SERVE AS A STAFF LIAISON FOR OUR SMALL BUSINESS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. 
          MANAGING THE HISPANIC CHAMBER'S WORK IN SMALL BUSINESS ALLOWS ME TO INTERACT WITH SMALL BUSINESSES ON THE DAILY. 
          MY STRENGTH AND SKILLSET ARE MY UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF PUBLIC POLICY AND THE POLICYMAKING PROCESS AT THE LOCAL AND STATE LEVELS. 
          IN MY ROLE, I'VE ATTENDED 99% OF ALL SPAC MEETINGS, PARTICIPATED IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND ENGAGE WITH THE COMMISSION ON AN IMPORTANT SMALL BUSINESS ISSUES. 
          ATTENDING THE PEC MEETINGS HAS LED ME TO OBSERVE THAT THE, THAT A POLICY LENS IS NOT A STRENGTH OF ANY OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I FEEL MY UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF PUBLIC POLICY WILL COMPLIMENT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WHO REPRESENT OTHER BDOS BUSINESS ACUMEN AND OR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS THEMSELF. 
          IN ADDITION, I OBSERVE THAT EACH COMMISSIONER BRINGS VALUE BY REPRESENTING THE EYES, EARS, AND VOICE OF SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN THEIR DISTRICT. 
          I FEEL I BRING A DIFFERENT LENS TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          I REPRESENT THE EYES, EARS, AND VOICE OF HISPANIC SMALL BUSINESSES AND HISPANICS IN BUSINESS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          LASTLY, UM, RELATED TO MY ADVOCACY EFFORTS, UH, THE HISPANIC CHAMBER, HELEN, OUR LEADERSHIP, WE WERE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND ADVOCATING FOR $20 MILLION IN A FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY FOR SMALL BUSINESS AND NON-PROFITS. 
          JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE POLICY LENS I CAN BRING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, MARTIN, FOR YOUR INTEREST. 
          AND, UH, ALSO, I, I KNOW YOU'RE AT ALL OF THE MEETINGS IT SEEMS SO 99%, I WAS LIKE, OH, I WONDER WHICH ONE HE MISSED. 
          UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND IN THE SMALL BUSINESS INITIATIVES, AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE CONSTRUCTION MITIGATION AND, UM, THE, THE, THE ADDITIONAL LOANS AND EVEN THE MOVING OF THE REVENUE ACCESS TO CAPITAL. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY ON THAT. 
          UM, I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE ENTREPRENEURIAL COMMUNITY, WHICH, UH, I THINK KIND OF LACKS RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO WE HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR NOT FOCUSING ON GROWING SMALL BUSINESS, UH, OR, OR GROWING, UH, ENTREPRENEURS AND INNOVATIVE, UH, THINGS, RIGHT? AND SO HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THE CITY CAN ENSURE THAT SAN ANTONIO HAS A THRIVING ENTREPRENEURIAL COMMUNITY? SO I THINK ONE THING GOES RELATED TO, UM, THE ECOSYSTEM AND FUNDING IT IN THE CITY BUDGET. 
          AND I THINK OUTREACH AND EFFORTS, UH, RELATED TO ENTREPRENEURS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COMES TO MIND IS, IS GETTING THEM ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE LOAN INTEREST BUYDOWN PROGRAM. 
          A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS WHO ARE ASPIRING ENTREPRENEURS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          AND I THINK IT'S CONNECTING THEM TO THOSE RESOURCES, WHICH I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DEAL WITH ON THE DAILY BASIS TO GET THOSE MEMBERS THAT. 
          BUT I THINK REALLY THE ECOSYSTEM GOING FORWARD, HOW CAN WE WORK TO IDENTIFY STRATEGIES AND POLICIES AND BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO IMPLEMENT HERE, UM, IN THE CITY AND KIND OF ADVISE THE COUNCIL ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU, MARTIN. 
          THAT'S LA QUESTION CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, CASTILLO. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU, MARTIN, FOR YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE SBA. 
          UH, AS YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE DEALING WITH QUITE A FEW ISSUES FROM INFLATION TO LABOR SHORTAGES AND CITY INITIATED CONSTRUCTION. 
          HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT THE SS A C CAN HELP THE CITY, UH, SMALL BUSINESSES MITIGATE THESE IMPACTS? I THINK PROVIDING EYES AND EARS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALK, WE'RE DEALING WITH SMALL BUSINESSES DAILY, LISTENING TO THEM DIRECTLY, UM, PROVIDING AVENUES FOR THEM TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK. 
          UM, WHETHER THAT'S US REACHING OUT AND PUTTING OUT, UM, COMMUNICATION, UM, TO MORE SMALL BUSINESSES TO GET THEM TO PARTICIPATE, AND THEN REALLY LISTENING TO THEM AND PROVIDING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE SPAC. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT. 
          'CAUSE SOMETIMES THESE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS MIGHT HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS. 
          IT'S JUST GETTING THEM AND THEIR VOICE HEARD HERE AT THIS COMMISSION. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU MARTIN. 
          COUNCILMAN, COURAGE. 
          YES. 
          AGAIN, I ADD MY APPRECIATION FOR YOU STEPPING FORWARD ON BEHALF 
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OF ALL THE BUSINESSES, PART OF THE SAN ANTONIO CHAMBER, UH, OR THE HISPANIC CHAMBER. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN ASKING, UH, AND I'LL ASK EACH OF YOU ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH, UH, BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, UH, AND SO MANY BUSINESSES KIND OF BEING TRAPPED BY THIS. 
          I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM YOUR MEMBERS, WE'VE HEARD IT HERE AT CITY COUNCIL. 
          WHAT DO YOU THINK, UH, THE CITY, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPERS, CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES, NEED TO DO TO, UH, WORK ON MITIGATING OR RESOLVING THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND EVEN MEDIUM AND LARGE BUSINESSES? YEAH, SO I THINK IT'S A, IN A WAY, IT'S, IT'S GOOD PROGRESS COMES WITH PAIN IN, IN THAT, BUT THERE IS A, AN IMPACT TO SMALL BUSINESSES, UM, AND MEDIUM ALL OVER. 
          UM, AND AS THE CITY GROWS, IT'S ONLY GONNA GET RIGHT WORSE. 
          AND WITH A MILLION MORE PEOPLE EXPECT TO HEAR BY 2040. 
          I THINK IT'S COMMUNICATION AND GETTING TO THEM. 
          UM, BUT SOMETIMES COMMUNICATION JUST DOESN'T MEAN AN EMAIL. 
          SOMETIMES IT'S GOING TO THE BUSINESS BECAUSE THE BUSINESS OWNER'S ALSO THE ACCOUNTANT, SOMETIMES THE SALES PERSON, SOMETIMES THE FRONT DESK PERSON. 
          SO I THINK IT'S FINDING THOSE WAYS AND AVENUES AND THE TRUSTED, UH, COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT THEY TRUST TO GET RIGHT. 
          UH, OUR NEWSLETTER REACHES 15,000 PEOPLE, BUT SOMETIMES EVEN THEN THAT GOES TO THEIR JUNK, SO WE HAVE TO CALL THEM. 
          SO I THINK IT'S FINDING WAYS AND EVERY SMALL BUSINESS IS VERY DIFFERENT AND THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM EARLY AND ONGOING. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE THING. 
          IF THERE'S AN UPDATE, UM, HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM UPDATED AND FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE THAT. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN TRY TO COMMUNICATE, IT STILL IMPACTS THE TRAFFIC IN THEIR BUSINESS. 
          UM, SO HOW CAN WE ALSO COME UP WITH RESOURCES TO HELP THEM, UM, MITIGATE AS MUCH AS THE IMPACT AS WE CAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. 
          UH, I KNOW ALL ABOUT YOU AND, UH, YOU AND I HAVE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO TALK. 
          AND SO I, I'M GONNA SPARE YOU THE, UH, THE THE QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE MEETINGS ARE LONG, UH, FOR, FOR THIS THING, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE MONITORED SOME OF THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE COMMITMENT, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT THE TIME RIGHT? AND THE BANDWIDTH TO DO THIS. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? NOPE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS SO MUCH FOR APPLYING. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. 
          UM, AND OUR, UH, WE'RE GONNA KICK YOU OUT AGAIN. 
          PERFECT. 
          SOUNDS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OUR NEXT, UM, APPLICANT IS MR. MOIN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          SO WE ARE GIVING ALL OF OUR CANDIDATES THREE MINUTES, UH, TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND TO TELL US, UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU WANT TO JOIN, UH, THE, UH, THIS COMMISSION AND WHAT, WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE. 
          AND SO THREE MINUTES STARTS NOW. 
          SIR, GO AHEAD. 
          MY NAME IS MOIN AND CURRENTLY I SERVE SOUTH TEXAS MERCHANT ASSOCIATION, S T M A AS A BOARD OF DIRECTOR. 
          I HAVE COMPLETED MY ENGINEERING IN ELECTRONICS AND TELECOMMUNICATION FROM THE UNIVERSITY IN INDIA AND WORKED WITH THE FORTUNE 500 COMPANY, MIUGEE ELECTRIC AS MARKETING AND BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR 10 YEARS. 
          CURRENTLY I OWN A FEW GAS STATION IN AND AROUND SAN ANTONIO AREA. 
          S T M A SOUTH TEXAS MERCHANT ASSOCIATION IS A COOPERATIVE TRADE ASSOCIATION WHO HELPS INDIVIDUAL C-STORE OPERATORS TO COME UNDER ONE UMBRELLA AND NEGOTIATE THE PRICES OF GOODS AND SERVICES WITH ALL THE NATIONAL VENDORS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MEMBERS. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO COMPETE WITH NATIONAL CHAINS, INCREASE AWARENESS OF THE CURRENT MARKET TRENDS, AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE BY EDUCATING MEMBERS ON ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, AND OTHER CHALLENGES PLAING OVER SOCIETY. 
          THERE ARE ABOUT THOUSAND INDEPENDENT C-STORE BUSINESSES IN SAN ANTONIO, WHICH CONTRIBUTES ABOUT 2 BILLION IN ECONOMY OF THE SAN ANTONIO. 
          WITH A PROVEN HISTORY OF 20 YEARS, S T M A HAS OPENED THEIR DOORS FOR EVERYONE IN THE C-STORE INDUSTRY TO BE A PART OF THIS ASSOCIATION AND GET THE SAME BENEFIT AND PLATFORM TO STRIVE AND GROW IN THE COMPETITIVE MARKET. 
          THIS IS A PLATFORM WHERE I CAN HELP OTHERS WITH MY KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE. 
          MY GOAL IS TO BECOME THE VOICE OF EVERY INDEPENDENT SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND BRING THE CHALLENGES AND SUCCESS STORIES TO THE COMMITTEE TO HELP THEM GROW IN THE COURSE OF TIME. 
          I FEEL IT IS VERY NECESSARY TO KEEP SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WELL INFORMED ABOUT CITI'S PROGRAM AND HOW THE CITY CAN HELP THEM TO SURVIVE AND PROGRESS TO HAVE AND IMPROVED WELLBEING. 
          I THANK YOU SMALL BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND PRESENT MY VISION. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ONE SECOND. 
          COUNCILMAN ROCHA GARCIA WILL START. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU MR. MO, FOR YOUR INTEREST. 
          WHAT STEPS, UH, OR WHAT DO YOU THINK ARE THE GREATEST CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACING THE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU ADVISE US TO TAKE? SEE, AS FAR AS THE C-STORE INDUSTRY IS CONCERNED, CURRENTLY, THE BIGGER CHALLENGES, ALL THE CHAIN STORES AS INDEPENDENT STORE OWNER DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO COMPETE WITH THE NATIONAL AND, UH, INTERNATIONAL CHAINS. 
          SO WITH OUR, UH, ASSOCIATION, WE ARE HELPING THEM TO FORM ONE, UH, PLATFORM WHERE THE ASSOCIATION NEGOTIATES AND HELPS THEM TO HAVE THE BETTER PRICING AND BETTER 
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SERVICES SO THAT THEY CAN COMPETE WITH THE NATIONAL CHAINS. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE LIKE ABOUT 400 STORES RIGHT NOW WITH THE ASSOCIATION. 
          AND ON AN AVERAGE THEY ARE GETTING LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIVE FIGURES, EXTRA MONEY SAVINGS FROM THE TRADE ASSOCIATION SO THEY CAN SURVIVE IN THE HARD TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. MOIN. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST ON, UH, IN SERVING ON THE SMALL BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, RIGHT, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE DEALING WITH QUITE A FEW ISSUES LIKE INFLATION ISSUES WITH HIRING LABOR AND CITY INITIATED CONSTRUCTION. 
          HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN HELP THE CITY SMALL BUSINESSES MITIGATE THESE IMPACTS? UH, DEFINITELY SMALL BUSINESSES ARE VERY MUCH AFFECTED AS FAR AS, UH, THE, WE HAVE SEEN THE LAKE OF, UH, EMPLOYMENT. 
          PEOPLE ARE NOT, WHICH PEOPLE, WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO WORK EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE VACANCIES AND, UH, BUSINESSES WITH THE INFLATION, UH, IT'S GOING DOWN. 
          WE HAVE OBSERVED IN LAST THREE MONTHS ABOUT 15% OF THE SLOWDOWN IN THE INDUSTRY. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THERE, UH, RECENTLY, LIKE CITI CAME UP WITH COUPLE OF PROGRAMS LIKE THE SAN ANTONIO SAGE PROGRAM. 
          THEY CAME UP WITH THE GRANTS FOR THE SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          BUT THE THING IS, SMALL BUSINESSES ARE NEVER AWARE OF WHAT THE PROGRAM CITY IS BRINGING 'CAUSE IT IS, I GUESS, NOT COMING OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE REACH TO THE CITY PROGRAMS. SO MY GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, BRING ALL THE CITY PROGRAMS TO NOT ONLY THE CTO INDUSTRIES, BUT TO ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY ARE AWARE LIKE WHAT CITY IS PLANNING, SO THAT THEY SEE THEIR VISION IN ALIGN WITH THIS, UH, CITY VISION SO THEY CAN GROW TOGETHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL COURAGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN FOR APPLYING FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          UH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COST OF DOING BUSINESS, GETTING EMPLOYEES, UH, INFLATION, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE, ARE PROBLEMATIC FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, PROBABLY FOR A LOT OF BUSINESSES. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR QUITE A BIT ABOUT FROM A LOT OF BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE GROWTH, UH, THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION, THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S HAVING A REAL HARD IMPACT ON A LOT OF BUSINESSES. 
          UH, OF COURSE YOU SEE IT A LOT AROUND DOWNTOWN, BUT EVEN IN OTHER AREAS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN. 
          HOW DO YOU THINK THE CITY OR DEVELOPERS OR CON CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES NEED TO WORK MORE OR DO MORE TO HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES OVERCOME THOSE CHALLENGES? YEAH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          LIKE, UH, WE HAVE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF BUSINESSES AFFECTED BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THE IN AND OUT TO THE BUSINESS IS NOT LIKE APPROPRIATE FOR THE ANY SMALL, UH, BUSINESSES. 
          SO I BELIEVE IF THE CITY HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, ADVANCED, LIKE MORE ADVANCED NOTICES TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEY HAVE SOME MORE WEIGHT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN APPROACH TO THE STORES THAT WILL HELP THEM TO, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO SURVIVE DURING, UH, THAT, UH, PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEEN LIKE A LOT OF, UH, BUSINESSES, A LOT OF, UH, SHOPPING MALLS. 
          LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROPER ACCESS BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTIONS AND THEY LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT EVEN, UH, AT THE POINT OF SURVIVAL. 
          SO I THINK, UH, CITY CAN DEFINITELY WORK ON THAT. 
          UH, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, ANY PROJECTS THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, INFORM THE STORE OWNERS WELL IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THINK OF, UH, WHAT THEY CAN PREPARE FOR THAT. 
          AND IF THEY HAVE LIKE MORE, UH, DETAILS AVAILABLE THAT WILL HELP THE SMALL BUSINESSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. MR. MOIN, HAVE YOU BEEN, HAVE YOU MONITORED, UH, OR, OR DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE, THE KIND OF WORK THAT THE SBA C HAS BEEN DOING SO FAR? I'M AWARE A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THEY MEET AND THESE ARE LONG MEETINGS? UH, YEAH. 
          TRULY SPEAKING, LIKE WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW IS ALL ABOUT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE. 
          I HAVE MY BUSINESSES, BUT THAT IS RUN IN AUTO MODE. 
          BUT, UH, SINCE THE AGE OF EIGHT YEARS, I HAVE STARTED COMMUNITY SERVICES AND, UH, EVEN TODAY I, WE PUT LIKE AROUND 25 TO 30 HOURS ISH ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICE JUST TO HAVE THE PEOPLE AND ALL THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS IN OUR TRADE ASSOCIATION ARE NOT GETTING PAID OR NOT GETTING ANY KIND OF, UH, REWARD OR RECOGNITION. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS, SIR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? UH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S IT, I GUESS FOR NOW. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          AND OUR LAST CANDIDATE IS, UH, YANG. 
          YANG. 
          YANG. 
          HELLO. 
          HI. 
          HOW ARE YOU? WE ARE ASKING EACH CANDIDATE TO START WITH A THREE MINUTE, UM, STATEMENT OKAY. 
          AND LETTING US KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT BRINGS YOU TODAY AND, UH, UH, WHAT YOU BRING TO THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THOSE THREE MINUTES, START NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          UM, UH, MY NAME IS YIN YANG. 
          I HAVE BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN SAN ANTONIO FOR 20 YEARS. 
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I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INTERVIEWED AS A CANDIDATE FOR SMALL BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMISSION. 
          IN ADDITION TO OPPORTUNITY, UH, SORRY. 
          ADDITION TO BEING COMMERCIAL REALTOR AND A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, I'M VERY INVOLVED WITH SEVERAL BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF ASIAN REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA, SAN ANTONIO CHAPTER. 
          I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF ELECT, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF, UM, ALAMO ASIAN AMERICAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          AND I ALSO AM SERVING AS COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE BOARD MEMBER OF SAN ANTONIO BOARD OF REALTOR. 
          PLEASE ALLOW ME TO SHARE MY BACKGROUND WITH YOU. 
          I GREW UP IN BEIJING, CHINA, WHERE I LEARNED I EARNED MY CIVIL ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT DEGREE. 
          AFTER GRADUATION, I WORKED FOR A HOTEL DEVELOPER WHO WAS BUILDING A HOTEL, A HOLIDAY INN IN BEIJING. 
          THAT EXPERIENCE LED ME TO TEXAS A AND M, WHERE I EARNED A MASTER DEGREE IN LAND AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AFTER TEXAS A AND M, I CAME TO SAN ANTONIO WITH TWO SUITCASES. 
          IN 1994, I WORKED FOR A LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS AS A SALES DIRECTOR FOR ASIAN PACIFIC RIM REGION UNTIL YEAR 2000 WHEN I STARTED MY OWN SMALL BUSINESS, A WHOLESALE ADVERTISING EQUIPMENT AND CONSUMABLE BUSINESS. 
          IN YEAR 2, 20 11, I SOLD MY BUSINESS AND, UM, REAL ESTATE FULL-TIME. 
          TODAY I PROVIDE COMMERCIAL CLIENTS WITH ASSISTANT PURCHASING, SELLING AND LEASING COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY OFFICE, RETAIL, AND INDUSTRIAL INDUSTRY, UM, UH, PROPERTIES. 
          I WAS ABLE TO CARVE OUT A NICHE BY SPECIALIZING IN RESTAURANTS AND THEN THE CORE RELATED BUSINESS AND PROPERTIES. 
          DUE TO BEING SUCCESSFUL AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT, I WAS FAR FORTUNATELY TO BECOME A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR, AND NOW, NOW OFFERING A PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY IN REAL ESTATE JOINT VENTURES. 
          AS I SAID EARLIER, I HAVE BEEN A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. 
          SAN ANTONIO AND BEAR COUNTY ARE HOME OF ABOUT 34,000 SMALL BUSINESSES AND 145,000 SOLE SHIP. 
          THESE SMALL BUSINESS AND SOLE PROPRIETORS COUNTS FOR ONE THIRD OF LOCAL WORKFORCE. 
          I REALLY BELIEVE SMALL BUSINESS BUILD COMMUNITIES. 
          SAN ANTONIO IS A TOP DESTINATION FOR VISITORS IN TEXAS. 
          THE HOSPITALITY BUSINESS SECTOR SERVES THESE VISITORS IN ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENT OF OUR CITY'S ECONOMY. 
          WITH MY ETEN EXPERIENCE IN REAL ESTATE AND RESTAURANT RELATED BUSINESS, I BELIEVE I CAN CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO HELP THEM TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THAT'S GROW SAN ANTONIO OVERALL ECONOMY. 
          THANK YOU, MS. ANNE. 
          LEMME LEMME STOP YOU THERE AND, UH, WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES. 
          GO AHEAD MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU MS. ANNE, FOR YOUR INTEREST. 
          AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE ALAMO, UH, CHAMBER, UH, ASIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE CURRENT GREATEST NEED OR CHALLENGE FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY? AND WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU ADVISE THE CITY TO TAKE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM? THE BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS, UH, A LACK OF LABOR AND, UH, UM, WE'D ALSO SOME LOT OF SMALL BUSINESS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW. 
          THE, UM, THE CITY GRANT AND ASSISTANCE, UH, PROGRAMS. SO I BELIEVE I CAN BE THE LIAISON FOR, UH, THESE SMALL BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY IN THE RESTAURANT AND LOOK CORRECT THIS BUSINESS TO HELP THEM TO GET GRANT AND GET ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MS. YN. 
          THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. 
          CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MA CASTILLO. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
          SMALL BUSINESSES ARE DEALING WITH QUITE A FEW ISSUES LIKE INFLATION ISSUES WITH HIRING LABOR AND CITY INITIATED CONSTRUCTION. 
          HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE CAN HELP THE CITIES SMALL BUSINESSES MITIGATE THESE IMPACTS? UH, THE, ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, ISSUE IS WE, OUR ROLES ARE REALLY LACK OF, UH, MAINTENANCE. 
          SO A LOT OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION THESE DAYS. 
          UM, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY HELP, UH, SMALL BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY RESTAURANTS, TELL THEM AHEAD OF TIME TO LET THEM PREPARE WHEN THEY CLOSE WHERE ROAD CLOSED, WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR BUSINESS, WHERE EITHER PROVIDE FOOD TRUCK OR FOOD TRUCK OR THEIR DELIVERY SERVICE OR, UH, PICKUP, ROADSIDE PICKUP. 
          THESE ARE GONNA MAKE THEM CONTINUE TO DO THEIR BUSINESS COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S A, A BIG PROBLEM. 
          IT'S SOMETHING WE HAD ASKED SOME OF YOUR PREDECESSORS ABOUT. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING THAT AS A, A 
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CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS EMPLOYMENT. 
          UM, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE SAN ANTONIO READY TO WORK, UH, EFFORT THAT'S GOING TO BE, UH, ABLE TO HELP FULFILL A LOT OF THE NEEDS IN THE, UH, SMALL BUSINESS EMPLOYMENT AREA? OR DO YOU THINK THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO HELP FILL THAT AID? I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY REACH OUT TO, UH, COMMUNITY COLLEGE HIGH SCHOOLS TO TELL THEM THERE'S POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY OPPORTUNITIES THAT, UH, UH, BUSINESS OFFERING. 
          UH, I'M WITH THE ASIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UM, ELECT OF ASIAN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 
          WE OFFERED, UM, MENTOR SYSTEM PROGRAMS TO HELP, UH, HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE, UM, COLLEGE, UM, FIRST TWO YEARS IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN TO, UH, IN A, UH, SMALL BUSINESS SETTING. 
          WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, OVER THERE, BUT NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOWS. 
          SO HOW WE GONNA CONVERT THIS INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S A CHALLENGE. 
          AND THEN WE SHOULD, UM, SPREAD THE WORD, UM, TO PROVIDE EITHER, UM, ONLINE INFORMATION OR MAIL OUT OR, UM, I THINK THE MOST OF THEM ARE, UH, LACK OF JUST COMMUNICATION FROM BUSINESS OWNERS AND, UH, UM, POTENTIAL, UH, LABOR FORCE, UM, PROGRAM LIKE HEALTH HIGH SCHOOL AND UH, UH, COMMUNITY COLLEGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          AND SO, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M ASKING ALL THE CANDIDATES, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE MEETINGS GO LONG, THEY MEET OFTEN, YOU HAVE THE TIME AND THE BANDWIDTH TO DO THIS, RIGHT? I AM A REAL ESTATE AGENT, SO I CAN MAKE MY TIME. 
          I CUT ALL THE TIME I WANT. 
          SO WE, WE ALWAYS SAY, UH, REAL ESTATE AGENT, THEY'RE VERY, THEY GO TO BED EARLY, LATE, THEY GET UP LATE, BUT THEY ARE, HAVE FLEXIBLE SCHEDULES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, UM, I'M JEALOUS. 
          I WISH I HAD THAT. 
          UH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND NOW I, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, ADJOURN AND WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          SO I'M GOING TO READ, UH, THE, UH, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION STUFF WHILE WE ARE GONNA MEET IN THE OTHER ROOM. 
          ALEX, IS THAT YES, ACROSS THE HALLWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THE TIME IS NOW, UH, 2:34 PM ON SEPTEMBER 27, 22. 
          THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ECONOMIC AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE IS RECESSING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT OF THE SBAC MEMBERS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 TO DISCUSS RELATED LEGAL ISSUES PURSUANT TO THE GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5, 5, 1, UH, CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY. 
          AND WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED. 
          WE'LL BE BACK, STICK AROUND FOLKS, UH, AND WE'RE GONNA GO TALK ABOUT YOU BEHIND YOUR BACKS. 
          OKAY, WE'RE BACK. 
          THE TIME IS NOW, UM, 2 45 ON THE 27TH OF SEPTEMBER. 
          THE E W D C WILL NOW RECONVENE AN OPEN SESSION. 
          NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE HAS DECIDED TO TABLE, UM, THE DECISION, UH, ON, UH, CANDIDATES, UH, IN UNTIL NOVEMBER, RIGHT WHEN, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE FULL QUORUM HERE IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DECISION. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT TO THANK OUR CANDIDATES FOR MAKING THE TIME TODAY, IT WAS NOT IN VAIN. 
          WE'RE JUST, UH, MOVING THIS, UH, A LITTLE BIT DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AMONG OURSELVES. 
          UM, AND THAT, UH, ENDS THE SUB THIS TOPIC FOR TODAY. 
          UH, AND WE WILL NOW TAKE OFF 
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OUR SECOND TOPIC, UH, WHICH IS GONNA BE BRENDA. 
          RIGHT? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I AM BRENDA HICKS SORENSON, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE AT THE CITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE INCENTIVE RETURN ON INVESTMENT ANALYSIS OR R O I ANALYSIS. 
          WE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED THE DRAFT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK AS PART OF, AND AS PART OF THAT, HIGHLIGHTED THAT ONE OF THE FIRST POLICY DISCUSSIONS TO FOLLOW THAT FRAMEWORK WILL BE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE POLICIES. 
          IN PREPARATION FOR THAT DISCUSSION, WE ASKED DR. 
          STEVE NIVAN TO COMPLETE AN ANALYSIS OF THE INCENTIVE PORT PORTFOLIO THROUGH PERFORMANCE YEAR 2021. 
          THE LAST ANALYSIS ALSO COMPLETED BY DR. 
          NEVIN WAS COMPLETED IN 2017 THROUGH PERFORMANCE YEAR 2016. 
          SO IN ADDITION TO ADDRESSING THE CURRENT ANALYSIS, DR. 
          NEVIN WILL TOUCH UPON SOME HIGH LEVEL COMPARISONS TO THAT PRIOR ANALYSIS. 
          WE WILL AGAIN BE HIGHLIGHTING AND TALKING ABOUT THE INCENTIVE RETURN ON INVESTMENT ANALYSIS LATER THIS YEAR WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE POLICIES. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, WE'LL 
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ALSO SHARE A DEEPER DIVE INTO ONE OF THE INCENTIVE PROJECTS TOYOTA. 
          SO WITH, UH, THAT, WITH, UH, FOR THE FURTHER ADO, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO DR. 
          NIVAN FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, BRENDA. 
          CHAIR PLYS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE, UH, RETURN ON INVESTMENT FROM THE USE OF SAN ANTONIO TAX INCENTIVES. 
          I'M GONNA BEGIN BY GOING THROUGH BRIEFLY THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE USED, UM, AND THEN, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT, SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF, OF THE R O I OVER TIME, IF YOU WILL, THE STREAM OF, OF REVENUES AND COSTS AS WE MEASURED THEM. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT, UH, AS BRENDAN NOTED SOME OF THE RESULTS AND COMPARE THEM TO THE 2017 STUDY. 
          UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE, THE STAFF OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WITH WHOM I COLLABORATED ON THIS STUDY. 
          UM, IT'S ALWAYS A LOT OF FUN TO WORK WITH THEM, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OR, OH, I GOT CONTROL OF THAT. 
          OOH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY AS NOTED WAS TO IS OR IS TO CALCULATE A RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR ALL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THROUGH 2021 IN WHICH THE CITY HAS INVESTED INCENTIVES AND STAFF TIME, UH, THEN THAT GENERATE JOBS AND INVESTMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF, OF WHAT WAS COVERED IN THE STUDY, I LOOKED AT 69 DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          ALL CURRENTLY MONITORED ACTIVE PROJECTS WERE COVERED IN THE ANALYSIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TERMINATED PROJECTS OR, OR PROJECTS THAT, UH, UH, OR TERMINATED PROJECTS WHERE THE INCENTIVES WERE RECAPTURED. 
          AND IT ASSUMES NO NEW INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS IN 2021 AND GOING FORWARD. 
          SO THIS WAS NOTED, UH, WE STOPPED, UH, THE TIME PERIOD, OR AT LEAST THE, THE ANALYSIS FOR ALL THOSE PROJECTS UP UNTIL 2021. 
          THIS, THE ENTIRE DATE RANGE THAT WAS COVERED. 
          THIS TOOK US BACK TO 2005, AND THEN WE RAN THE ANALYSIS THROUGH TO 2040. 
          UM, BRIEFLY WHAT, WHAT WE LOOKED AT, FOR EXAMPLE, IT WAS AN ABATEMENT PROJECT. 
          IT WAS A SIX YEAR ABATEMENT. 
          WE BASICALLY DOUBLED THE TIME PERIOD OF ANALYSIS TO 12 YEARS. 
          UM, BUT WE DID THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT BUMPED UP AGAINST 2040, THEN IT WAS STOPPED AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, AT THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, UM, ALL PROJECTS AND COSTS WERE FLATLINED, UH, OUT TO THEIR, THEIR END PERIOD OF ANALYSIS. 
          AGAIN, MAXIMUM PERIOD OUT TO 2040. 
          UH, SO WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT, UM, WE, WE, WE GOT TO THE PERIOD FOR WHICH WE HAD DATA AND THAT LAST YEAR OF DATA, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD THEIR EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS. 
          AND, UM, UP TILL THE LAST YEAR, ONCE THAT WAS AVAILABLE, THEN WE JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT CARRIED ON THROUGH THE REST OF THE YEARS. 
          UH, AND SAME WITH THE, THE REVENUES AND, AND COSTS FROM OTHER SOURCES. 
          OKAY? UM, THERE WERE VARIOUS SOURCES OF DATA THAT, THAT WE PULLED, UH, MUCH FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, FINANCE DEPARTMENT, CITY CLERK, UH, C P S ENERGY, BAYER APPRAISAL DISTRICT, BEAIRD COUNTY TAX ASSESSOR. 
          AND THEN WE USED M PLAN, UH, MOSTLY TO DO THE ANALYSIS TO, TO CAPTURE THE SALES TAX REVENUES THAT WERE GENERATED FROM EMPLOYMENT. 
          SO, TO GET A LITTLE BIT INTO THE, THE METHODOLOGY, THE COSTS THAT WERE INCLUDED INCLUDED THE, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT STAFF BUDGET LESS, THE SMALL BUSINESS AND GLOBAL RELATIONS, UH, OPERATIONS BUDGETS, AND THEN THE VALUE OF THE INCENTIVES. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE TAX ABATEMENTS AND THE GRANTS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO THE VARIOUS COMPANIES, THE REVENUE THAT WAS, WAS CALCULATED INCLUDED THE REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES, THE SALES AND TAX REVENUES FROM NEW JOBS CREATED AND C P S ENERGY REVENUES. 
          AND IN ORDER TO CALCULATE THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, IT WAS JUST THE CALCULATION OF RETURN OF REVENUES DIVIDED BY COSTS. 
          THE MODEL IS A BIT CONSERVATIVE FOR, FOR THESE FEW REASONS NOTED HERE. 
          UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE EXECUTED BEFORE 2005, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT ACTIVELY MONITORED, SO THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS, BUT 
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THEY'RE STILL GENERATING, UH, REVENUES FOR THE CITY AND, AND ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY. 
          PROJECTS THAT WERE TERMINATED. 
          THEN RECAPTURED ALSO CONTINUE TO GENERATE REVENUE AND IMPACTS TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT AGAIN, WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ANALYSIS. 
          UM, AND ALL OF THE PROJECTS, AGAIN, WE HAD A, WE SET A, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME FOR THE ANALYSIS, BUT EVEN BEYOND THAT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE OR THEY CONTINUE TO, AGAIN, GENERATE REVENUE AND IMPACTS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT IS A, A SOMEWHAT OF A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE AND TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF, UH, DIFFERENT EXAMPLES. 
          ONE IS A, A DATA CENTER. 
          THIS WAS A SIX YEAR 50% ABATEMENT ON REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          UH, THE DATA IN THESE EXAMPLES EXCLUDE C P S ENERGY, REVENUES. 
          REVENUES WE GOT FROM C P S ENERGY WERE AGGREGATED. 
          THEY WEREN'T COMPANY SPECIFIC. 
          SO THIS IS JUST FOCUSED REALLY ON THE REVENUES FROM REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY AND SALES TAX REVENUES FROM EMPLOYMENT. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, UH, AS WITH THE NEXT ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE CUMULATIVE TAXES COLLECTED, THE BLUE LINE AND THE CUMULATIVE INCENTIVES, THE RED LINE, UH, AND IN THIS CASE, THE BREAK EVEN WAS BASICALLY FROM 2015 TO ABOUT 2020, UH, THROUGHOUT THE TERM OF THIS ABATEMENT, FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE IT IS A 50% ABATEMENT. 
          AND THEN ONCE THE ABATEMENT, UH, WAS TERMINATED, AND THEN YOU CAN START TO SEE THE SPREAD BETWEEN THE TAXES COLLECTED AND, AND THE INCENTIVES THAT THAT WERE PAID. 
          OKAY. 
          OR PROVIDED. 
          NEXT EXAMPLE'S, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          LOOK, THIS IS A, A MANUFACTURING PROJECT. 
          HERE WE HAVE A 10 YEAR, A HUNDRED PERCENT ABATEMENT ON REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          AGAIN, C P S ENERGY REVENUE IS EXCLUDED FROM THIS. 
          UH, THIS ONE, UH, TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO HIT, HIT BREAK EVEN. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE ONCE THE, THE ABATEMENT, UH, TERM RUNS OUT, THEN THE TAXES COLLECTED START TO, TO ESCALATE AND REACH THE BREAKEVEN LEVEL AND, AND, UH, ARE PROJECTED TO REACH BREAKEVEN IN 2038. 
          NOW, THIS, AGAIN, DOES EXCLUDE C P S ENERGY REVENUE. 
          SO FOR BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, THAT BREAKEVEN POINT WOULD, WOULD MOVE INTO A MORE RECENT YEAR IF THOSE REVENUES ARE INCLUDED IN THIS ANALYSIS. 
          AND WE TAKE ALL OF THE PROJECTS TOGETHER AND, UM, LOOK AT, AT THE, THE BREAKING EVEN OF THEM LOOK AT LOOKING AT CUMULATIVE REVENUES, TOTAL INCENTIVES AND, AND TOTAL COST, BOTH OF THOSE CUMULATIVE AS WELL. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE CUMULATIVE REVENUES AND THE TOTAL COSTS RUN BASICALLY ON TOP OF EACH OTHER THROUGH ABOUT 20 10, 20 11. 
          UH, AND THEN THE CUMULATIVE REVENUES STARTS TO SEPARATE, BECOME GREATER AND GREATER AS AS TIME GOES BY PROJECTED OUT TO 2040, UH, COMPARED TO, TO TOTAL COSTS. 
          AGAIN, TOTAL COSTS, INCLUDING BOTH THE INCENTIVES PROVIDED AND THE COST OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO ADMINISTER THESE PROGRAMS. IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL RESULTS, UH, THERE'S A VARIETY OF NUMBERS HERE, BUT THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES AMOUNTED TO ABOUT 71.4 MILLION. 
          THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF INCENTIVES PROVIDED OVER THE, THESE NUMBERS COVER THE WHOLE TIME PERIOD OF THE ANALYSIS, AGAIN, THROUGH 2040, ARE PROJECTED TO BE ABOUT 179.6 MILLION. 
          AND THE REVENUES THAT'LL FLOAT TO THE CITY OF ABOUT 670.4 MILLION. 
          SO, NET REVENUES, UH, WILL BE ABOUT 419.4 MILLION ACCORDING TO THESE PROJECTED FIGURES. 
          UH, THE INCENTIVES, UH, PROVIDED TO THESE COMPANIES, UM, HELP FACILITATE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT TOTAL AT ABOUT $5.6 BILLION. 
          NOW, IF WE LOOK AT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT BY FOUR DIFFERENT MEASURES, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT PER DOLLAR OF INCENTIVES, SO THAT THE INCENTIVE PROGRAMS GENERATED $31 IN 26 CENTS, UM, OF PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT PER DOLLAR OF INCENTIVE, UH, PER DOLLAR SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS IS THE, THE, THE, THE BUDGET FIGURES THAT WE USED. 
          UM, THERE WERE $9 AND 39 CENTS IN REVENUES PER DOLLAR SPENT. 
          AND THEN WE LOOK AT REVENUES PER DOLLAR OF INCENTIVES. 
          THERE WERE $3 AND 73 CENTS OF REVENUES TO THE CITY PER DOLLAR OF INCENTIVES. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE COMBINED LOOK AT TOTAL COSTS, THE DOLLAR SPENT ON THE PROGRAMS AND THE INCENTIVES, UH, THE PROGRAMS GENERATED $2 AND 67 CENTS IN REVENUES PER TOTAL COST, 
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IF YOU WILL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, TO COMPARE IT TO THE 2017 NUMBERS, THERE WERE 72 PROJECTS IN 2017. 
          TOTAL AMOUNT OF INCENTIVES WERE PROJECTED TO BE ONE 100.7 MILLION AND GENERATED PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT OF 3.7 BILLION COMPARED TO 5.6 BILLION. 
          IN THIS NEW STUDY. 
          UM, REVENUES PER DOLLAR SPENT ON PROGRAMS WERE $5 AND 22 CENTS. 
          IN 2017, UH, IN THIS NEW ANALYSIS OR MORE OR CURRENT ANALYSIS WAS $9 AND 39 CENTS. 
          UH, AND THE REVENUES PER DOLLAR OF INCENTIVES WAS CALCULATED TO BE $6 AND 28 CENTS. 
          AND 2017, $3 AND 73 CENTS IN 2022. 
          I'LL COME BACK TO THAT NUMBER IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          AND THEN THE REVENUES PER DOLLAR SPENT ON PROGRAMS AND INCENTIVES AND TOTAL COSTS AND 2017 WERE CALCULATED TO BE $2 AND 67 CENTS. 
          AND THAT INCREASED SLIGHTLY TO $2 AND 85 CENTS IN THIS CURRENT STUDY. 
          NOW, IF WE GO BACK TO THE REVENUES PER DOLLAR OF, OF INCENTIVES, THAT'S, THAT'S A A, A DROP IN OF SIX FROM $6 AND 28 CENTS TO $3 AND 73 CENTS. 
          I THINK IN LARGE PART, THAT DROP IS, IS REALLY A DATA ISSUE IN THE SENSE THAT IN THE 2017 STUDY, UM, AND YOU GOTTA KEEP IN MIND TOO, THESE ARE, THERE'S 72 PROJECTS IN 20 17 69 PROJECTS IN 2022. 
          IT'S A FIVE YEARS. 
          SO THERE'S NEW PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME MORE. 
          SO IT'S A DIFFERENT MIX OF, OF PROJECTS. 
          UH, BUT THE DATA WE GOT FROM C P S ENERGY IN 2017 INDICATED, UM, REVENUES OF THIR 343.1, UM, BILLION DOLLARS. 
          AND IN THIS STUDY IT WAS $152.8 MILLION. 
          I SAID, I MISSPOKE. 
          343.1 MILLION, UM, I'M SORRY, BILLION AND FIVE HUNDRED, A HUNDRED FIFTY TWO 0.8 UM, MILLION IN, UH, 2022. 
          SO I THINK THAT EXPLAINS THAT THAT DIFFERENCE EXPLAINS, UH, THAT DROP IN IN THE NUMBERS FOR THE MOST PART. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE GOT THE DATA FROM, FROM C P SS ENERGY, THE, THE ISSUE WAS THAT THEY WERE HAVING TROUBLE IDENTIFYING A LOT OF THE PROJECTS IN THE SPECIFIC BUILDING THAT THEY WERE IN. 
          SO THEY COULDN'T ISOLATE THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY. 
          SO THEY COULDN'T GIVE US THAT, THAT DATA. 
          SO I THINK THAT EX EXPLAINS, UM, A GOOD BIT OF THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO FIGURES. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT, THAT DATA THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CAPTURE, THAT SEEMS LIKE AN IMPORTANT DATA POINT TO START CAPTURING, RIGHT? UM, HOW DO WE GET C P S TO START FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN KNOW ABOUT GOING FORWARD? AGAIN, FROM WHAT THEY, THEY TOLD US, IT, IT WAS REALLY BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT COMPANY WITHIN, SO IF IT'S IN A BUILDING, THEY, THEY COULD JUST GET THE BUILDINGS JUST FROM THAT BUILDING. 
          THEY COULDN'T GO IN AND, AND ISOLATE THAT, THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS WITHIN THAT BUILDING. 
          SO THERE'D HAVE TO BE SOME WAY TO I FOR THEM TO IDENTIFY THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND FOR LARGER PROJECTS WHERE IT'S JUST ALL ONE PROJECT WITHIN A CERTAIN BUILDING OR LOCATION, IT'S MUCH EASIER. 
           CLEAR, I THINK WHEN THERE'S POTENTIALLY BUSINESSES CO-LOCATED, UM, IT CREATES THE CHALLENGE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I, I THINK THE OTHER, UM, ITEM THAT I'D WANNA HIGHLIGHT FROM THE, COMPARING THE TWO, BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF THE TEAM ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES. 
          UM, WE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. 
          I THINK 72 TO 69. 
          BUT ONE OF THOSE THAT IS NO LONGER IN THE CALCULATIONS IS THE ORIGINAL TOYOTA, THE STARBRITE AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WOULD ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE C P S REVENUES THAT WOULD GO INTO THIS CALCULATION. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COUNCILWOMAN. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DR. 
          NEVEN FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          I'LL START OFF WITH QUICK QUESTIONS TO ALEX, THE 2017 STUDY THAT WAS FUNDED OUT OF EDDS BUDGET AND THE YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THE 2022 ALSO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          IS THERE A REASON WHY WE DON'T DO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN OR IS IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE DATA AVAILABILITY? NO, UM, WE WANTED TO GET INTO THE ROUTINE OF DOING IT AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS, UM, PRIOR TO 2017. 
          I THINK IT HAD BEEN CLOSER TO EIGHT TO 10 YEARS FROM US DOING IT. 
          UM, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE INCENTIVE POLICY, ONCE AGAIN, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COUNCIL TO SEE HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I, I THINK, UH, DR. 
          NEVIN KIND OF ADDRESSED THIS, BUT MAYBE, UH, I'M GONNA ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          SO WE 
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SAW, UM, THE, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE FIGURE FROM 2017, FROM 6 28 TO 3 73, AND I GET THAT TOYOTA IS NOT INCLUDED ANYMORE, AND THAT THERE'S, UH, I GUESS CHALLENGES IN ISOLATING THE C P S REVENUE, UM, BASED ON THE PROJECT ADDRESS, FOR INSTANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE START DATE OF THE PROJECT? SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, UM, I THINK WE CALL IT AN, WELL, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE DATE AND A MONITORING START DATE, BUT IS THAT WHEN CONSTRUCTION BEGAN ON THOSE PROJECTS USUALLY ALSO? OR IS THAT DIFFERENT THE ABATEMENT DATE? YES. 
          THAT'S USUALLY THE FIRST YEAR THAT THEY RECEIVE AN INCENTIVE. 
          SO THAT'S AFTER CONSTRUCTION HAS COMPLETED, IT'S AFTER, THAT'S AFTER, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY OF THE 69 PROJECTS HAVE SHOWN A DOWNWARD TREND, UM, OR MAYBE, UH, FALLEN BE BEHIND OR BELOW PROJECTED, UH, FORECAST? I THINK THAT WOULD PROB AS FAR AS WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA GENERATE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DID. 
          LIKE, I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENT THAT'S IN LOOKING AT THE, THE STUDY THIS WAY AND, AND DR. 
          NEVIN, YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM A PORTFOLIO PERSPECTIVE, NOT INDIVIDUAL PROJECT BY PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE DIDN'T GO IN AND LOOK AT EACH PROJECT AND SEE HOW THEY, HOW THEY, UM, OKAY. 
          HOW THEY HAD CHANGED OVER TIME. 
          AND THE REASON THAT I WAS ASKING THAT, UM, IS BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S LOCATIONS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER ROIS RIGHT. 
          BASED ON SALES, TAX REVENUES, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          DO YOU THINK IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE? DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS? THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT'LL HAVE A, WE DIDN'T GO IN AND MEASURE THE R O I FOR, FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS, AS YOU SAW LAID OUT HERE. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT WILL HAVE DIFFERENT ROIS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE THAT, THAT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE, IT'S A SIMILAR TYPE OF PROJECT AND IT HAS A FIVE OR SIX YEAR 50% ABATEMENT VERSUS A 10 YEAR A HUNDRED PERCENT ABATEMENT, IT'S THAT SIX YEAR 50 PERCENT'S GONNA HAVE A, A HIGHER R O I, AGAIN, ASSUMING SAME LEVELS OF INVESTMENT AND, AND JOB CREATION AND THAT, SO THEY WILL VARY FROM, FROM PROJECT TO PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND COUNCIL MEMBER, THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD, UH, THAT I KNOW DR. 
          NEVIN AND BRENDA SHARED AS WELL WAS THAT, UM, THE, THE MIX, THE PORTFOLIO OF PROJECTS THAT WE REVIEWED THIS TIME AROUND, THEY'RE, THEY'RE YOUNGER. 
          THEY'RE EARLIER IN THEIR, IN THEIR PROJECT LIFE CYCLE MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH IS WHEN THERE'S MORE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE SEE THE RETURN LATER ON IN, IN THE PROJECT TERM. 
          SO WE'RE SEEING SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT YOUNGER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY SOME OF THE COSTS ARE ALSO MORE SIGNIFICANT RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS, THE DATA ON PROPERTY TAX ASSESSED VALUES WERE ONLY AVAILABLE, UM, FOR, FOR SOME PROJECTS, BUT, BUT FOR THE NEWER PROJECTS, WE HAD TO CALCULATE, IF I UNDERSTAND IT, BASED ON AN ESTIMATED PROJECTION OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUES. 
          CORRECT? RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO IN THOSE CASES, REAL VERSUS PERSONAL PROPERTY INVESTMENT, THAT'S WHAT YOU USED AS THE INITIAL VALUE TO PROJECT THE BEGINNING AND THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT THEN IN THAT FINAL YEAR, UM, WAS USED AS THE PROJECTED INVESTMENT, BUT THEN IT WAS ASSUMED THAT THE ASSESSED VALUE WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO THAT 75% OF THE AMOUNT OF REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          WHY IS IT 75% THE, IT'S, IT'S A STANDARD FIGURE THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S BEEN USED BASED ON WHAT THEIR, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION VALUE IS AND, AND WHAT THEIR ASSESSED VALUE IN WHICH THEY MAY PAY TAXES. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S GENERALLY BEEN USED AND GENERAL, WE'VE SEEN THAT WE, WE SEE, WE SEE THAT CONSISTENTLY WHAT, WHAT IS INVESTED IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS ULTIMATELY ASSESSED, UM, FROM B C AD VALUE PERSPECTIVE. 
          GOT IT. 
          UM, AND SO OUR PROPERTY TAX, UH, PROTEST AND FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CONSIDERED, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS DATA IN TERMS NO, IN TERMS OF, OF IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT 75 OKAY. 
          PERCENT OR IT'S THE ACTUAL VALUE AND THEN PROJECTED OUT FROM THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TO THE EXTENT THAT, THAT IT WAS, UM, UH, PROTESTED AND, AND THAT RESULTED IN THAT END VALUE, WHICH WAS USED IN THE PROJECTION, THEN IT'S REFLECTED THERE, BUT IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY. 
          THE VALUE IS AFTER ANY PROTEST THAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU DR. 
          NEVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR, AND THANK YOU DR. 
          NEVIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UH, NOW UNDERSTANDING THAT Y'ALL TOOK A PORTFOLIO APPROACH WITH THE, THE METHODOLOGY, 
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UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE METRICS NOW, BUT I KNOW MY OFFICE REQUESTED, UM, THE ROIS OF EACH OF THE 69, UH, BUSINESSES. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RECEIVE? YEAH, I THINK WE COULD DO IT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME. 
          SO I KNOW WE DID RESPOND TO YOUR OFFICE WITH THE LIST OF THE 69, AND IN THERE IT DOES INCLUDE, UM, THE KIND OF THE PERFORMANCE, WHAT WAS EXPECTED, AND THEN THE, THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCE OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THAT GOES TO, AGAIN, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, IF A COMPANY GOING TO THE EARLIER QUESTION, IF A COMPANY DOESN'T HIT THEIR METRICS YEAH. 
          OR HIT THEIR PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS, THAT'S USUALLY WHEN YOU'LL SEE THEN THAT RECAPTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO THEN THEY, THEY, WE WORK WITH THEM ON RECAPTURING ANY INCENTIVES THEY RECEIVED, WE CLOSE IT OUT USUALLY THROUGH A MUTUAL TERMINATION AND THEN WE END THE AGREEMENT. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THOSE ALSO DROPPED OFF OF THE PERFORMANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, UNDERSTANDING WHICH INCENTIVES DO AND DON'T WORK. 
          AND WITH THE METHODOLOGY ALSO POINTS THAT THE ONES BEING EVALUATED RANGE FROM, UM, I BELIEVE 2004. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? 2005. 
          2005, UH, ENDING IN 2040. 
          UH, DOES THE DATA ALSO INCLUDE WHEN, WHICH EACH OF THE BUSINESSES WERE, WERE GIVEN THE INCENTIVE? BECAUSE I SEE WITH THE, THE DATA CENTER, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE THE CHART, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH BUSINESSES, UM, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT SOME OF THEM ARE YOUNGER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT DOES YOUNGER MEAN? IS THAT LIKE A FOUR YEAR OLD BUSINESS? FIVE? LIKE HOW DEEP INTO THE, THE CONTRACT ARE THEY? SORRY, I MEANT THE, THE CONTRACT TERM. 
          TERM. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE THERE'S SOME CONTRACTS THAT WERE JUST APPROVED BY COUNCIL A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SO EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING CONSERVATIVE, LIKE A SIX YEAR MM-HMM. 
          , UM, TAX ABATEMENT WE'RE STILL IN THE ABATEMENT PHASE VERSUS SOME OF THOSE FROM 2005 MM-HMM. 
          , WHICH WE ARE NOT GIVING ANY MORE INCENTIVE, BUT WE'RE STILL MONITORING AND THEY'RE STILL REQUIRED TO BE HERE AND WE'RE STILL REAPING BENEFIT FROM IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE EACH OF THE 69, UM, ROIS IF POSSIBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL ENCOURAG. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, I ASSUME, BUT I WANT TO ASK, WAS T FUNDING INCLUDED IN ALL OF THESE CALCULATIONS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT T GROUPS? TOURISM? NO. 
          WELL, THAT'S SURPRISING BECAUSE TOURISM MONEY IS CITY TAX MONEY THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE TURS TO USE TO DO INCENTIVES FOR, UH, ASSISTING DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHY ISN'T THAT CALCULATED? I MEAN, IT IS A CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, LOSS OF REVENUE OR A PAYMENT FROM CITY FUNDS. 
          SO THIS WAS JUST THE INCENTIVES THAT ARE OFFERED THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH JOB CREATION AND INVESTMENT FROM, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, THE TS FUNDING IS REALLY INCENT INCENTIVIZES DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, A LOT OF HOUSING ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE MONITORED AND EVALUATED THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          WELL, I GUESS I'M THINKING BACK OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WENT ALONG BROADWAY AND A LOT OF THAT GOT TOUR AND, AND OTHER AREAS AROUND THERE, AND THAT WAS PART OF THEIR DEAL. 
          I MEAN, THEY SAID WE CAN'T DO IT UNLESS WE GET X AMOUNT OF MONEY FROM TOUR FUNDING OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO IT'S SURPRISING THAT, THAT THAT ISN'T IN THERE. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT DIDN'T EXACTLY RELATE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING OR A DISCOUNT FROM THEIR TAXES, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY ADDITIONAL FUNDING THE CITY PUT IN. 
          UH, AND IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT THE REAL COST TO THE CITY IS, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE CALCULATED IN THERE, EVEN IF IT'S CALCULATED IN A, A SEPARATE SET OF CHARTS THAT HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE REAL INVESTMENT THE CITY MAKES. 
          UH, I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY'S GONNA GIVE AND THEY'RE GONNA GO TO TOURS FOR EXTRA MONEY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT, IT'S PART OF AT LEAST MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THIS. 
          I THINK ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE, COUNCIL MEMBER, THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE INCENTIVIZE ON, ON FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, IF THERE IS TOURS, FUNDING THE, I, I CAN'T THINK OF VERY MANY, WHERE THERE IT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED, IF IT'S LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING TOURS, THE TOURS BOARD HAS TO APPROVE IT AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, BUT ADDITIONAL TSS REVENUE ASSIGNED TO, TO ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. 
          IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY, UM, IT'S THE OVERALL TAX ABATEMENT THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING NOT NECESSARILY ADDITIONAL TOURIST FUNDING. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO THE CONSIDERATION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE FUND GRANTS THAT WE HAVE DONE FROM TIME TO TIME AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RETURN TO THE CITY, WE TALK ABOUT SALES TAX AND WE TALK ABOUT, UH, 
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C P S, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. 
          WELL, THIS IS A LACK OF A RETURN TO THE CITY. 
          THIS IS TAKING OUT OF THE CITY. 
          SO IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ALL THE WAYS THAT THE PROJECT BRINGS MONEY IN, WE OUGHT TO BE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAYS THE CITY HAS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT. 
          SO, BUT ON THESE PROJECTS, THEY DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY SIT IN A T SO THE, THE, I'LL BET SOME OF THEM DID. 
          WE CAN GO BACK AND CHECK. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'M, I CAN IF THEY, I KNOW OF ONE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT I, I'M STRUGGLING FINDING ANOTHER EXAMPLE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I LOOK AT YOUR LONG-TERM PREDICTION OF, OF THE RETURN AND I SUPPOSE, UH, THE VALUE AND, UH, THE TAXATION ON A PROPERTY. 
          AND, UH, YOU INDICATE THAT, UH, FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAD AN ACTUAL JOB NUMBERS THROUGH 2021, THAT HAD NOT YET MET THE REQUIRED JOB CREATION LEVELS, THE NUMBER OF JOBS WERE PROJECTED TO GROW LINE LINEARLY TO THE REQUIRED EMPLOYMENT LEVELS, TO THE END OF THE DATE OF THE CONTRACT. 
          AND THEN A STRAIGHT LINE PROJECTION WAS USED FOR THE YEARS BEYOND THAT TERM OF THE INCENTIVE AGREEMENT. 
          WHICH MEANS IF THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING IN X AMOUNT OF JOBS OVER 10 YEARS, YOU'RE SAYING IF THEY LIVE ANOTHER 10 OR 20 YEARS, THEY'RE GONNA BRING THE SAME AMOUNT OF JOBS GOING FORWARD, OR IS IT GONNA BE STOPPING AT THAT? BECAUSE TO ME, WE DON'T KNOW BEYOND THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE HOW MANY MORE JOBS THEY MIGHT HAVE. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU'RE SAYING YOU PROJECTED THAT IT'LL BE ALONG THE SAME LINES, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, CRAIG. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          SO IF, IF THEY WERE TO, IF THEY WERE TO CREATE A HUNDRED JOBS AT THE END OF THEIR TERM, THEN IT WAS ASSUMED THAT THAT A HUNDRED JOBS WOULD STAY FOR THE, FOR THE BEST. 
          SO IT WASN'T, WE WERE GONNA ADD, OH GOD, NO. 
          NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          NO, SIR. 
          NO, THAT, THAT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S PROBABLY MY MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          UH, ONE THING I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THEY WERE INCLUDED OR NOT INCLUDED IN THIS WERE, UH, ANY PROJECTS THAT, UH, EXISTED, UH, MET THEIR TOURS, I MEAN, THEIR, UH, INCENTIVE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEN THEY CLOSED SHOP AND LEFT. 
          WERE ANY OF THOSE DELETED OR INCLUDED IN THIS, UM, IF THEY DID NOT MEET THE CONTRACT EXPECTATIONS, IF WE TERMINATED THEM? NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M SAYING THEY DID IT, MAYBE IT'D BEEN 10 OR 15 YEARS, BUT DID ANY OF 'EM LEAVE? AND SO WE CAN'T CONTINUE THAT IN THE LINEAR WAY, SAYING, WELL, THAT'S GONNA CONTINUE IF THEY'VE LEFT. 
          I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES THAT CLOSED DOWN AND LEFT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS. 
          I, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY THAT, THAT FIT THAT CRITERIA IN, IN THIS LIST OF, OF COMPANIES. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY'RE ALL STILL HERE AND, AND, AND OPERATING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, WHAT ABOUT, UH, DID YOU CONSIDER COMPANIES THAT, THAT DID, UH, LEAVE BUT THAT WE RENEGOTIATED WHAT THEY PAID US? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DIDN'T PAY US OFF EXACTLY WHAT WE PUT IN, BUT WE NEGOTIATED SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES FOR A FINAL. 
          SO, WERE THOSE ANY OF THOSE INCLUDED IN THIS? NO, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, WE, WE JUST DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM AT ALL. 
          NOT THE, NOT THE POSITIVE OR THE NEGATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          FINALLY, UM, LET ME ASK YOU, UH, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU GIVE AS A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR ACCURACY ON WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING HERE? BECAUSE IT IS A PROJECTION AND IT'S, IT'S BASED ON REASONABLE, UH, EVALUATIONS OF DATA. 
          BUT IF YOU WERE TO GIVE YOURSELF A PROJECTION OF ACCURACY, WHAT WOULD YOU GIVE YOURSELF A PROJECTION? OH, IT'S EXACTLY ACCURATE. 
          IT'S . 
          SORRY, I COULDN'T RESIST. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          . 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE NOSE. 
          UM, A PERCENTAGE OF ACCURACY GOING LONG TERM. 
          I, YEAH, I, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          I I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT, UM, PERCENTAGE OF, OF, OF ACCURACY. 
          UM, I, I CAN SAY WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT IT, IT IS CONSERVATIVE. 
          SO IF IT'S NOT ACCURATE, IT'S AC IT'S, IT'S INACCURATE ON THE LOW SIDE, MEANING THE CITY WOULD GET MORE OUT OF IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          JUST BASED ON THE IN, JUST BASED ON THE, ON THE, UM, THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU DR. 
          NEMAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO I, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REASONS THAT I ASKED, UH, OUR FRIENDS ON STAFF TO DO THIS. 
          ONE, IT'S BECAUSE, UH, A REPORT LIKE THIS HAS JUST NOT EXISTED 
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IN THE PAST. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND A, AND A META-ANALYSIS OF OUR PERFORMANCE. 
          UM, WE DO THAT META-ANALYSIS IN REGARDS TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY. 
          I'VE JUST NEVER SEEN ONE DONE WITH REGARDS TO THE R O I ON, UM, INCENTIVES. 
          TWO, UM, THE PUBLIC IS ALWAYS ASKING US, RIGHT? UM, WELL, GREAT. 
          I HEARD YOU GUYS DID SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND THERE'S ANOTHER CORPORATE GIVEAWAY, RIGHT? UH, TO ALL YOUR FAT CAT BUDDIES AND ALL THAT, RIGHT? I'M SURE, UM, Y'ALL HAVE HEARD SOMETHING SIMILAR ALONG THOSE LINES, RIGHT? IN YOUR DISTRICT, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE GOTTEN AN EARFUL ABOUT IT IN THE PAST TOO. 
          WHAT I WANTED WAS SOME DATA TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, AS A, AS A RESPONSE, RIGHT? THAT ONE THERE IS R O I, RIGHT? THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THAT. 
          R O I, IT'S AN IMPERFECT, UH, MEASUREMENT BECAUSE AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER QUESTIONS OUT THERE. 
          BUT THERE REALLY DOES APPEAR TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE ARGUMENT THAT WE'RE IN THE BLACK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TAKE ALL THESE IN THE AGGREGATE, UM, AND I THINK THAT'S IMP AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC, EXCEPT THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD THE TOOLS, OR AT LEAST THE DATA WITH WHICH TO PRO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH INCENTIVES OR NOT. 
          I, I WANTED US TO HAVE THE DATA THREE, BECAUSE THIS ANALYSIS DOESN'T REALLY EXIST. 
          AND YOU, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALEX, I, I MEAN, TELL ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY NEVER DONE AN ANALYSIS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST, RIGHT? WE DID DO ONE IN 2017, THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE COMPARISON LIKE THIS MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE DO IT EVERY THREE, FOUR YEARS. 
          MAOS, RIGHT? IDEALLY TO COUNCIL, MC, CASTILLO'S POINT. 
          UM, IDEALLY IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UM, AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET SHOWING US THE PERFORMANCE. 
          AND THEN FOR EACH PROJECT, WE'D BE ABLE TO EXPLODE IT OUT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS IS PERFORMING ON A STANDARDIZED SET OF CRITERIA, RIGHT? UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN GET THERE AS IF WE SET OURSELVES THAT GOAL, CAN STAFF BRING US ON A YEARLY BASIS, THIS IS HOW OUR PORTFOLIO HAS PERFORMED, SO THAT WE CAN THEN EXPLODE OUT EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, PROFITS? I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S SOME REVENUES THAT WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE PROJECTIONS. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE STRICTLY ACCURATE, LIKE HARD FIGURES. 
          THE PROPERTY TAXES, OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN GET EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I'M THINKING OF THE SALES TAX FROM THE, FROM THE JOBS THAT, THAT WERE CREATED AND THE C P S REVENUES. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ISOLATE THEM SPECIFICALLY BY A COMPANY LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO THAT I THINK COULD BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO GIVE YOU A, A FIGURE PER PROJECT. 
          RIGHT? SO I, I I WILL SAY THAT I UNDERSTANDING THAT, RIGHT, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOOTNOTES OR ASTERISK ON THOSE, ON THOSE DATA, ON THOSE DATA POINTS, UM, IS, IS THE ANSWER YES. 
          LIKE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL ON THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS PORTFOLIO. 
          WE JUST NEED TO, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT IN HOUSE. 
          WE NEED TO ENGAGE DR. 
          NEVIN ON, ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THEN WE COULD ADD MORE CRITERIA THAT, THAT YOU'RE HEARING WOULD BE INTERESTING TO US TO HAVE, RIGHT. 
          AS YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN ASSESS THE PERFORMANCE OF, OF THESE INCENTIVES, RIGHT? AND YOU HAD SOME IDEAS, AND COUNCIL AND COURAGE, YOU HAD SOME, AND COUNCIL, COUNCIL MC CASTILLO IS GONNA HAVE SOME TOO. 
          AND, AND I DO TOO, RIGHT? SO WHENEVER WE GO TO THE PUBLIC, ACTUALLY, WHENEVER ALEX AND BRENDA, YOU GUYS PITCH TO US FOR, ON EACH PROJECT, YOU SAY, THIS IS THE NAME OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? TOP SECRET PROJECT NAME, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          THIS IS THE R O I, UM, AND THIS IS HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, AND THIS IS THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT, BUT U USUALLY WHEN YOU PRESENT, YOU'RE ALSO BRINGING US SOMETIMES THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT, RIGHT? WE ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WILL CREATE X NUMBER OF DIRECT JOBS, BUT ALSO INDIRECT EMPLOYMENT AND INDIRECT INVESTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, SPINNING OFF FROM THIS WILL BE X, RIGHT? AND, AND I KNOW THAT FOR THIS ONE ANALYSIS THAT, THAT DR. 
          NEVIN DID, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT, BUT WE DO TALK ABOUT THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT A LOT, RIGHT? AND I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT, THAT IS BACKED UP BY SOME DATA, RIGHT? AND SO TO WHAT EXTENT CAN WE REPORT ON THAT MULTIPLIER EFFECT IN THE FUTURE? WE CAN, UM, WE CAN RUN IT THROUGH IMPLANT AND, AND, AND GIVE YOU THE, THE MULTIPLIER EFFECTS ON, ON EACH, EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS, RIGHT? FOR LIKE, THAT'S INDIRECT, UH, IMPACT BECAUSE INDIRECT AND INDUCED, YES. 
          RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN WE FINALLY GET A REPORT ON THIS ONE EXAMPLE, LIKE LET'S SAY TOYOTA, RIGHT? WHEN WE SAY, LOOK, TOYOTA WAS ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO. 
          UM, AND THIS WAS THE PERFORMANCE OF THAT, OF THAT ONE PROJECT, RIGHT? REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT TO THE PUBLIC, HALF OF THE CONVERSATION WAS INDIRECT INVESTMENT, INDIRECT SPINOFF, RIGHT? UM, AND SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BACK THAT UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE I, I HATE JUST TO GO AROUND GIVING LIP SERVICE AND JUST SAY, LOOK, WE KNOW IT, WE JUST CAN'T 
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PROVE IT. 
          RIGHT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT FAIR? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          BRENDA, SAY MORE AND MORE BUSINESSES COMING TO TOWN TO SUPPORT. 
          CORRECT? SO BRENDA, YOU KEEP STANDING UP AND SITTING DOWN, SAY LIKE, YOU'RE IN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND JUST UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN, YOU, YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY, ? YEAH. 
          NO, IT'S, IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WITH THAT, UNLESS MY, MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, THIS WAS VERY USEFUL. 
          AND IT'S THE FIRST TIME OUT THAT WE, THAT WE SEE THERE, AT LEAST THIS COMMITTEE SEES IT, RIGHT? AND SO, UM, AS WE, AS WE'RE DOING THIS, HOPEFULLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WILL PERFECT IT TO WHERE WE CAN THEN SORT OF JUST TRACK IT OURSELVES, RIGHT? SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT DATA AND SO WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE AND COMPARE THE PROJECTS IN OUR DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE PERFORMING, RIGHT? UM, YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH. 
          JUST A QUICK THING. 
          COULD OUR NEW DATA PERSON HELP WITH THIS? DON'T WE HAVE A DATA PERSON? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE PUT 'EM IN THE, PUT THEM IN THE BUDGET, RIGHT? FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO YES, WE'LL HAVE TWO RESEARCH TEAM MEMBERS. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE LOOKING AT, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD. 
          UH, SO WE, WE DO DO AN ANNUAL PERFORMANCE, ACTUALLY SEMI-ANNUAL PERFORMANCE. 
          THE PIECE THAT'S MISSING IS THAT R O I, UM, AND THAT, THAT, UM, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WORK WITH DR. 
          NEVIN ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I LOVE GIVING OUR MONEY TO DR. 
          NEVIN, BUT THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          AND DR. 
          NEVIN, I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE AN ANNUITY FOR YOU HERE, RIGHT? SO THAT YOU CAN JUST, UH, CONTINUE TO COME BACK OVER . 
          I, I'M, I'M ALL FOR THAT, AND VERY GRATEFUL. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          SO UN UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SHARE REALLY QUICKLY THAT WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE METHODOLOGY IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT INCENTIVE POLICY CONVERSATION. 
          SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU, THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD ABOUT, UM, LIKE INVESTMENT VERSUS ASSESSED VALUE, UM, INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE BRIEFING YOU ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT AND WHAT THE FISCAL IMPACT IS AND WHAT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT WOULD BE, COMPARING IT TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE PORTFOLIO VALUE IS NOW, I THINK IS JUST A, A KIND OF A BIT OF A BENCHMARK OR A RESET THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL HAD AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT CONVERSATION NOW. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          WORK TODAY. 
          AND CLEARLY THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE FOR US TO DIVE DEEP INTO THIS LAKE OF DATA, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHERE, WHERE THIS TAKES US. 
          ALL RIGHT, DR. 
          NIVAN, HAVE A GREAT DAY. 
          THANKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU ALL TOO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BRENDA, WHAT DO YOU GOT? GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UM, NOW TURNING OUR ATTENTION TO A PROPOSED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND MEAN STREET AMERICA. 
          THIS IS, SORRY, THE ARROWS ARE MISSING. 
          OKAY, PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AS PART OF THE ARPA SMALL BUSINESS PLAN, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WILL BE ISSUING A SECOND REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL IN EARLY 2023 WITH AN EMPHASIS ON GEOGRAPHIC PLACEMAKING. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, WE PROVIDE A PRES SOLICITATION BRIEFING TO CITY, COUNTY, TO CITY COUNCIL, EXCUSE ME, ON THAT. 
          R F P, WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON THE CRITERIA FOR TWO QUARTER PROGRAM PILOT. 
          THIS PILOT PROGRAM HAS $1 MILLION OF AR RPA FUNDS ALLOCATED TO IT UNDER THE GEOGRAPHIC PLACEMAKING BUCKET. 
          GOOD. 
          IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE CRITERIA AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, FACILITATE THE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT NEEDED FOR A SUCCESSFUL PILOT PROGRAM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING A PARTNERSHIP WITH MAIN STREET AMERICA. 
          MAIN STREET AMERICA IS A NATIONAL PROGRAM THAT HAS HELPED OVER 2000 COMMUNITIES IN ITS 40 YEAR PLUS HISTORY. 
          MORE SPECIFICALLY, THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TEAM, PREVIOUSLY REFERRED TO AS URBAN MAINE OFFERS A RANGE OF COMMUNITY DRIVEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO HELP UNDER-RESOURCED, OLDER AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS RESTORE ECONOMIC VITALITY AND PROMOTE QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          THE MAIN STREET APPROACH OFFERS COMMUNITY-BASED REVITALIZATION INITIATIVES WITH A PRACTICAL, ADAPTABLE FRAMEWORK FOR QUARTER TRANSFORMATION THAT IS EASILY TAILORED TO LOCAL CONDITIONS. 
          THE MAIN STREET APPROACH HELPS COMMUNITIES GET STARTED WITH REVITALIZATION AND GROWS WITH THEM OVER TIME. 
          THE MAIN STREET APPROACH IS CENTERED AROUND TRANSFORMATION STRATEGIES. 
          AND A TRANSFORMATION STRATEGY ARTICULATES A FOCUSED DELIBERATE PATH TO REVITALIZING OR STRENGTHENING A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT'S ECONOMY. 
          WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE FOUR POINT APPROACH, UM, AND THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON BUILDING OUT THAT LOCAL KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING 
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OF A DISTRICT'S ECONOMY TO CREATE A FOUNDATION FOR SUCCESSFUL REVITALIZATION, IDENTIFIES CURRENT STRENGTHS OF THE BUSINESS MIX AND EXISTING BUSINESS CLUSTERS, SUPPLIES RELEVANT CONSUMER DATA TO THE REVITALIZATION PROGRAM SO IT CAN HELP EXISTING BUSINESSES BECOME STRONGER. 
          IDENTIFIES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE BUSINESS ATTRACTION AND BUSINESS CLUSTER EXPANSION, AND BUILDS A STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK FOR NICHE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, PROMOTIONS, MARKETING, BRANDING, AND SO FORTH. 
          SINCE 1980, MAIN STREET AMERICA COMMUNITIES HAVE EXPERIENCED OVER $95 BILLION IN REINVESTMENT. 
          OVER 161 BUSINESSES STARTED OVER 717,000 JOBS CREATED. 
          AND, UH, 314,000, UM, VOLUNTEER HOURS. 
          THAT'S NOT MAIN STREET. 
          AMERICA HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON URBAN REVITALIZATION EFFORTS SINCE 1995 WHEN THE BOSTON MAIN STREET PROGRAM STARTED. 
          BOSTON HAS A NETWORK OF 20 MAIN STREET ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, AND SINCE ITS INCEPTION, HAVE EXPERIENCED ALMOST 1400 NEW BUSINESSES, OVER 8,000 NEW JOBS IN JUST OVER 373,000 HOURS IN VOLUNTEER EFFORTS. 
          ALSTON VILLAGE IS ONE OF THE MAIN STREET COMMUNITIES IN BOSTON, AND, UH, IT'S A PARTICULAR INTEREST BECAUSE IT HAS A STRONG FOCUS ON CULTURE AND COMMUNITY. 
          ORLANDO IS ONE OF THE NEWER PROGRAMS ESTABLISHED IN 2008 WITH 12 MEAN STREET DISTRICTS. 
          HERE YOU'LL SEE THIS, SOME OF THE STATISTICS FROM THEIR MOST CURRENT ANALYSIS. 
          AND CURRY FORD WEST IS ONE OF THEIR NEWEST NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          AND IS INTERESTING AS WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THAT IMPACTS AND RELATES TO SAN ANTONIO'S EFFORTS AS THAT AREA HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A PASS THROUGH FOR COMMUTERS AND IS CURRENTLY BEING REVITALIZED WITH A, A STRONG FOCUS ON COMMUNITY AND CULTURE. 
          AGAIN, SOME VERY VALUABLE LESSONS FOR, FOR US TO LEARN. 
          A PARTNERSHIP WITH MAIN STREET AMERICA PROVIDES FOR BROAD TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY ON THE MAIN STREET APPROACH AND A MARKET ANALYSIS AND ON THE MARKET ANALYSIS APPROACH THEY UTILIZE, WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING STAFF WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. 
          AND THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE THAT'S SO CRITICAL, SIGNIFICANT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE SELECTED CORRIDORS, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED IN MID 2023, AND WILL BE ONGOING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          THE FINAL STEP OF THE PROGRAM, AS IS A PROGRAM ASSESSMENT AND HOW WE GROW THE PILOT INTO MULTIPLE CORRIDORS ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH MAIN STREET AMERICA AS PROPOSED IS $131,500, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          USUALLY, USUALLY SLIDE. 
          IT SAYS QUESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN I KNOW WHEN TO JUMP IN HERE. 
          UH, SO COUNCILWOMAN ROCHA GARCIA, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. 
          I JUST HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS. 
          WILL OUR E W D C COMMITTEE BE ABLE TO SUGGEST POTENTIAL CORRIDORS FOR THE PROGRAM AND, AND MAYBE HELP IDENTIFY SOME? WE ARE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT, UM, AS WE'RE, IS A NUMBER OF FACTORS. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH, UM, OUR MAIN STREET AMERICA PARTNERS ON. 
          AND WE DO, WE ARE LOOKING AT PROBABLY HAVING A COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS. 
          SO WHILE WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO, TO SUGGESTIONS, UH, WE DO WANT TO LOOK AT A NUMBER OF FACTORS, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT CRITERIA FORWARD TO E W D C FOR CONSIDERATION PRIOR TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          AND, AND I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAYBE WE CAN EVEN WORK WITH SOME OF OUR SBOS. 
          AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. 
          LITERALLY LIKE MAYBE TWO HOURS AGO, I HAD A MEETING AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHWEST MILITARY CORRIDOR, RIGHT BETWEEN I 35 AND US 90. 
          UM, AND SPECIFICALLY THE PART WHERE, UH, LACKLAND IS, AND SO WE HAVE OUR AIRMEN THAT COME IN, AND OUR GUARDIANS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND GRADUATION HAS MOVED TO THURSDAYS. 
          SO THEY GET SIX HOURS OF RELEASE TIME ON WEDNESDAYS. 
          AND INSTEAD OF COMING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE A TIMEFRAME IS SHORTENED, NOW, THEY STAY IN THE AREA. 
          AND LITERALLY, I WAS TOLD BY, BY ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT I WAS MEETING WITH TODAY, SO THEY GO TO POPEYE'S NOW BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA. 
          AND SO, AND NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST POPEYE'S. 
          I LOVE THEIR BISCUITS. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE COULD DO 
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TO SHOWCASE SAN ANTONIO'S CULTURE. 
          AND SO I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO TIME, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE POTENTIAL OF, UH, THE SOUTH CROSS WEST, SOUTH CROSS AREA. 
          AND COUNCILMAN CASTILLO AND I HAVE HELD JOINT EVENTS, RIGHT? WHERE IT'S, IT'S THE BORDER OF DISTRICT FOUR AND FIVE, AND THE, THE CONNECTION TO PORT. 
          SO I GUESS WHOEVER, OR WHOEVER YOU'RE, WHEN, WHEN WE DECIDE ON THE CONSULTANTS AND IF THEY NEED TO PICK OUR BRANDS, LIKE, UM, I'D LOVE TO TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH THE SA TOMORROW REGIONAL, UM, CENTER PLAN. 
          AND I'M ASSUMING THAT, UH, YOU ALL WILL BE USING THE EQUITY ATLAS. 
          SO YES, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT. 
          WE'VE ALSO SENT THIS TO SEVERAL OF THE DIRECTORS, AS YOU MENTIONED, BRIDGET WHITE IN PLANNING, YOU KNOW, TAMIKA ON TRANSPORTATION, UM, MARK CARMONA AND SO FORTH, TO HAVE A LOOK AT THIS AND HOW WE CAN ALL COLLABORATE. 
          WE'VE ALSO HAD MEETINGS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES ON THEIR DISPLACEMENT TOOL YES. 
          THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, UM, FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO SEE HOW WE COULD PERHAPS UTILIZE THAT. 
          OH, YOU'RE INVITED TO A LUNCHEON ON FRIDAY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT. 
          IF YOU HAVEN'T LEARNED IT ALREADY, BRENDA, SORRY, BUT I HAD TO PLUG FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, BUT ALSO, UM, SO I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE INNER CITY WOULD BE PRIORITIZED, RIGHT? WITHIN LOOP FOUR 10 AND EVEN SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN CORE. 
          I HAD BREAKFAST WITH SOMEONE ELSE THIS MORNING AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THIS WAS REALLY INTERESTING. 
          'CAUSE I, AS I WAS PREPARING, I WAS LIKE, OH, I GET TO SAY, NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT SO AND SO ASKED ABOUT THIS, AND SO AND SO ASKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT WE SEE A LOT OF PRIVATE, UM, INVESTMENT, UH, DOWNTOWN USUALLY. 
          AND SO I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO ALSO CONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, FIND LEVERAGE FUNDING? SO LIKE, COUNCILMAN COURAGE EARLIER MENTIONED, THE TOURS OR EVEN OPPORTUNITY ZONES. 
          WOULD WE BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL AS, AS ONE OF THE AREAS FOR, UM, AWARDING THESE PLACEMAKING? ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE ONE OF THE CRITERIA. 
          WE SHOULD ALSO, AND ON TOP OF THAT, WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE BOND PROGRAMMING, UM, THAT THE CITY'S INVESTING IN. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS PART OF THAT CRITERIA TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, AND HOW FAST ARE WE GONNA GET THE LIST AFTER WE DO ALL THIS ? WELL, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY DELIBERATE, RIGHT? THERE'S, I REALLY EMPHASIZE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A KEY PART OF THIS, IS GOING OUT AND TALKING TO THOSE DIFFERENT BUSINESS GROUPS. 
          THE, THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONS IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO, UM, AS SINCE THIS IS A TWO QUARTER PILOT, IT MIGHT MAKE MAKE SENSE FOR US TO LOOK AT SOMEONE PARTNERING WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ESTABLISHED. 
          AND THEN ONE THAT'S BRAND NEW. 
          SO WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES, LESSONS LEARNED FROM THAT GOING FORWARD AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, OUR PLAN IS TO, IN THAT JANUARY EARLY 2023 TIMEFRAME, UH, LOOK AT PRESENTING THE CRITERIA FOR COM, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION, AND THEN REALLY SPENDING THE NEXT, UH, THREE TO FIVE MONTHS, UH, GOING OUT AND AGAIN, HAVING ALL THAT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY THAT MID 20, 23 JUNE-ISH TIMELINE FOR APPLICATIONS. 
          AND ARE WE GONNA PRESENT THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL, OR WILL THEY HAVE TO TAKE FULL OR COUNCIL ACTION ON THESE SPOTS AFTER IT COMES THROUGH W D C? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, RENEE. 
          I'M JUST REALLY EXCITED. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU NEVER INVITE ME TO COOL LUNCHES. 
          WHY DOES SHE GET TO GO TO COOL LUNCHES? ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S TOO LATE NOW. 
          FORGET IT. 
          . 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, BRENDA, FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT POPEYE'S . 
          UM, WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THIS PRESENTATION, I WAS REALLY EXCITED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, RIGHT? THERE'S SO MANY CORRIDORS ALL THROUGHOUT SAN ANTONIO, AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT COUNCILMAN ALIA'S, C C R ON THE SILK ROAD INITIATIVE, AND HOW, UM, IMPORTANT THAT IS AND HOW EXCITING IT WAS TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT COME, UM, BE BROUGHT FORTH. 
          UM, AND I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT THE QUINTANA COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THAT THE COUNCILMAN MENTIONED. 
          IT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE, OFF OF SOUTH CROSS AND, UM, THE QUINTANA NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THERE WAS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN, UM, YEARS AGO, LIKE IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS BY ANDY CASTILLO, RIGHT? TALKING ABOUT HOW, UM, ONE HIGHLIGHTING THE HISTORY THAT AFTER WORLD WAR I, THAT THE QUINTANA COMMUNITY WAS ITS OWN MUNICIPALITY FOR 30 YEARS FOLLOWING WORLD WAR I, RIGHT? AND IN THAT ARTICLE AND THE QUOTES THAT THEY FOUND, IT MENTIONED LIKE HOW IT WAS A FORGOTTEN COMMUNITY. 
          AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM NEIGHBORS. 
          BUT I KNOW, UM, COUNCILMAN AND I HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN ENSURING THAT WE'RE BRINGING INVESTMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S ONE, UH, UH, AREA THAT CAME TO MIND. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU WALKING US THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HOW, UM, THE OUTREACH WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AND, UH, MY, I GUESS ASK WOULD BE INCLUDING THE SMALL BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IN WHERE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE SOME WORK. 
          UM, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING, RIGHT, THAT THERE ARE SOME SMALL BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE, THE FULL CAPACITY, BUT THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY 'CAUSE THEY WORK VERY HARD, RIGHT? SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE 
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NOT MINIMIZING THOSE SMALLER, SMALL BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS FOR THOSE, UM, LARGER ONES. 
          UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, UM, WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT THE NATIONAL, UH, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, I BELIEVE ESTABLISHED THIS INITIATIVE, WILL WE BE LOOPING IN OUR OFFICE OF HISTORIC OF PRESERVATION WHEN SELECTING, UH, APPLICANTS? OR HOW WILL WE LEVERAGE, UH, O H P IN THIS PROCESS? YEAH, SO THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT COLLABORATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE PLAN TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF BOTH THOSE INTERNAL RESOURCES MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND THEN AS PART OF THIS, THIS OVERALL PROGRAM, UH, WE PLAN ON UTILIZING SOME OF THOSE, THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, THE FUNDING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE, THE SMALL, UM, BUSINESS PLAN. 
          UH, SO THE BALANCE OF THAT $1 MILLION TO IDENTIFY, AGAIN, A MORE DETAILED PROGRAM, THAT WILL DEFINITELY INCLUDE SOME STRONG TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. 
          SO WE MAY MAKE CONTRACT WITH ARCHITECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HELP SUPPORT, UH, THOSE EFFORTS. 
          SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THAT OUT ONCE WE, WE PARTNER WITH MEAN STREET AMERICA. 
          AWESOME. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, BRENDA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN CUR QUESTIONS? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          SO BRENDA, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'VE GOT TWO ARPA RFPS, ONE'S ALREADY GONE OUT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          AND, UH, THEN THE NEXT ONE, UH, WHICH WILL GO OUT EARLY NEXT YEAR IS GONNA BE FOCUSED ON PLACEMAKING AND CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE, UH, WHAT MAIN STREET AMERICA SPECIALIZES ON. 
          YES. 
          SO, YES. 
          SO LET ME JUST ASK MM-HMM. 
          , WILL, WILL THEIR, UH, INVOLVEMENT BE PART OF, UH, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SECOND R F P? WILL THEY OVERSEE IT OR OFFER A CONSULTATION OR GUIDANCE OR WHAT? SO THE, THE SECOND R F P WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE OPERATION FACELIFT 2.0, AS WELL AS THEN THE, UM, OUTDOOR SPACES PROGRAM. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE PLAN ON ISSUING THE R F P FOR. 
          BUT BECAUSE OF THIS ALSO BEING THE TWO CORRIDOR PILOT ALSO BEING IN THAT BUCKET, WE WANTED TO ALIGN THE TIMELINE AND THE EFFORT. 
          SO WE REALLY WANTED TO ROLL OUT THIS TWO QUARTER PILOT PROGRAM AT THE SAME TIME TO AGAIN, ALIGN THE APPLICATION PERIOD, UM, AND THE DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO PROGRAMS, QUITE HONESTLY. 
          WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE, UM, WITH THESE TWO CORRIDORS. 
          AGAIN, IF WE CAN DO AN OPERATION FACELIFT 2.0, WHAT A FANTASTIC RESOURCE TO SUPPORT THESE CORRIDORS. 
          SO IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT TIMING, BUT IT WILL BE A SEPARATE, UM, A SEPARATE APPLICATION WINDOW. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THOSE CORRIDORS GONNA BE SELECTED TO BE DETERMINED? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE CRITERIA WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, AND WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD FOR, UH, AT A FUTURE E W D C MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION AND COUNCIL IN EARLY NEXT YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          HAS ANY THOUGHT BEEN GONE INTO, UH, VIA EAST, WEST AND NORTH SOUND SOUTH CORRIDORS AND HOW THEY FIT INTO THIS? WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT LOTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. 
          WE HAVE A VERY LONG LAUNDRY LIST INTERNALLY OF JUST POTENTIALS. 
          UM, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STRATEGIC, UH, FRAMEWORK CONVERSATIONS, UH, WE TALKED TO EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER AND THERE WERE AT LEAST PROBABLY TWO OR THREE CORRIDORS THAT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IDENTIFIED. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN TRACKING ALL OF THAT, IDENTIFYING THAT THROUGH ALL THE CONVERSATIONS. 
          WE'RE TAKING LOTS OF NOTES NOW. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH AND REALLY HONING IN ON AND THEN PRESENTING AT A LATER DATE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I'VE MENTIONED, UH, TO, UH, VIA CONCERN, I HEARD FROM, UH, CITIZENS WHO LIVE NEAR SAN PEDRO WHO WERE SAYING, WE HEAR THAT WHENEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO ANY KIND OF REALIGNMENT ON THESE QUARTERS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING SOMETHING THAT GOES A HALF A MILE EACH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, AND LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS THERE AND HOW IT COULD BE CHANGED. 
          AND IT'S CAUSED PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE COMMUNITIES SAY, ARE THEY GONNA COME IN AND MOVE US OUT? ARE THEY GONNA SAY, WE'VE GOTTA PUT IN MORE APARTMENTS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT MAJOR TRANSPORTATION HERE, OR WE WANT TO HAVE MORE BUSINESSES HERE THAT SERVE THE CUSTOMERS WHO LIVE AROUND HERE. 
          OR WE GONNA CREATE, UH, SOME BUSINESS AREAS WHERE WE CAN DEVELOP ECONOMIC BUSINESSES. 
          SO AS WE START LOOKING AT TALKING ABOUT CORRIDORS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT MAIN STREET, WHICH IS A LOT OF NICE LITTLE MOM AND POP, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES THAT LOOK GREAT AND EVERYBODY LIKES TO GO AND SHOP THERE. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CREATING OR RECREATING CORRIDORS AND WHAT THE INTENT IS WITH THE, WITH 
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THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THOSE CORRIDORS. 
          SO I HOPE THERE'S CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AND A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS SO PEOPLE SEE THE BENEFIT TO THEM, WHETHER THEY LIVE THERE OR THEY LIVE NEARBY OR THEY'RE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO, UH, JUST A WORD OF CAUTION, I GUESS. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE EMPHASIZING THAT TIMELINE FOR THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS, AS YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND THEN ALSO WITH MAIN STREET AMERICA. 
          AND, UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF THAT QUARTER REVITALIZATION, PARTICULARLY IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UH, AND SO THAT'S, THEY HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL VALUE THERE OF, OF LEVERAGING THAT EXPERIENCE AND LEVERAGING THAT NETWORK OF OVER 2000 OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, BRENDA. 
          I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UH, THIS BRINGS US TO THE END OF ANOTHER MEETING. 
          OR DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING YOU WANNA NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED TO MAKE. 
          AND IS MIKE STILL HERE? WHERE'S MIKE? AREN'T YOU ASSISTANT DIRECTOR? OH, I WAS GONNA INTRODUCE OUR NEW ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, WHICH HAPPENED TO STEP OUT. 
          HIS NAME IS, HIS NAME IS MIKE LANDER. 
          UM, HE IS JOINING, I THINK YESTERDAY WAS HIS FIRST DAY. 
          UM, HE WILL BE, UM, IN THE POSITION THAT JUSTINA PREVIOUSLY HAD. 
          MM-HMM. 
           WE'RE REALLY EXCITED. 
          HE HAS EXPERIENCE IN VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN TEXAS, MOST RECENTLY LOCKHART. 
          UM, BUT HE'S ALSO BEEN IN SAN MARCOS AND IN AUSTIN'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. GREAT. 
          SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM. 
          WELL, I MEAN, UH, YOU'RE, IT'S HIS FIRST DAY YESTERDAY. 
          YESTERDAY WAS HIS FIRST DAY, SO, AND TODAY WE WERE GONNA INTRODUCE HIM TO THE COMMITTEE AND HE IS NOT HERE. 
          BAD LOOK, MIKE LUCK, BUT HE'LL BE AT B SESSION TOMORROW, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING HIM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          HAVE A GREAT DAY.
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