* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, IF WE COULD HAVE OUR SPANISH TRANSLATIONS SERVICES STATEMENT, . GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. UM, MY NAME IS ROB SIPES AND I AM THE VICE CHAIR OF THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. BUT TODAY I'LL BE ACTING AS CHAIR. UM, I'M ALSO THE, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN ZONING COMMISSIONER. UM, I HEREBY CALL THIS REGULARLY NOTICE MEETING OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ZONING COMMISSION INTO SESSION. I'D LIKE TO DO A ROLL CALL BY ALLOWING THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH THE COMMISSIONER ON MY FAR LEFT. MARCO BARROS. I REPRESENT DISTRICT NINE, MARK WHITE, DISTRICT 10. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS, UH, SARA CAME WITH, I'M FROM DISTRICT FOUR, ALDO ORTIZ, DISTRICT EIGHT, TAYLOR WATSON, DISTRICT TWO, SUMMER GRADE HOUSE DISTRICT ONE MICHELLE LAG. HOLLAND MAYOR'S APPOINTEE. CHARLES FUENTES REPRESENTING DISTRICT THREE. KEN HUE DISTRICT SIX STAFF IS A QUORUM PRESENT. A QUORUM IS PRESENT. THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU. UM, LET'S SEE. DO WE DO ALRIGHT, WOULD EVERYONE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE? ALLEGIANCE THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY JUSTICE FOR ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, STAFF, IF WE COULD G PLEASE GO OVER OUR MEETING FORMAT. BEFORE I BEGIN, PLEASE TURN YOUR PHONES ON VIBRATE OR TURN THEM OFF. THE ZONING COMMISSION IS AN 11 MEMBER BODY APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ZONING CASES UPON RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO FORWARD YOUR CASE TO CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROCEDURE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CASE MANAGER. STAFF WILL BEGIN EACH CASE WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION OF THE REQUEST. PART OF THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES A MAP THAT SHOWS THE AREA TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REZONING AND PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY CHECK MARKS INDICATE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN FAVOR OF THE REQUEST AND AN X INDICATES THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN OPPOSITION. FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION AND ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT THEIR REQUEST FOR THOSE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PROPOSED REZONING. YOU WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THAT YOU SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THOSE IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER AND YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO USE. UTILIZE THE MAXIMUM TIME LIMITATION. YOU WILL BE INFORMED THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP. FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEIR TIME TO A SPEAKER, THAT SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A MAXIMUM OF TWO PEOPLE GIVING THEIR TIME, GIVING THEIR TIME FOR A TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. THOSE GIVING UP THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AND SIGNED IN TO SPEAK. THE APPLICANT WILL THEN BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL LIMITED TO ONE SPEAKER WITH A THREE MINUTES TIME LIMIT, ALONG WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COMMISSION QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. STAFF, [Zoning Items  ] IF WE COULD GO OVER ANY WITHDRAWN OR POSTPONED ITEMS, PLEASE? YES, SIR. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE POSTPONED TODAY, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL NOT BE HEARD AND WILL HAVE TO BE REPUBLISHED AND RE NOTIFIED. SO NEW NOTICE WILL BE SENT. THESE ARE ITEMS NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS GEN, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 2000 BLOCK OF WEST JOSEPHINE STREET. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, LOCATED AT EIGHT 15 EAST GR GRAYSON STREET AND ITEM NUMBER NINE, LOCATED AT, UH, 11 1 35 NORTH INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35. THANK YOU. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THOSE PROPERTIES, YOU'RE FREE TO LEAVE AS THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY AS MENTIONED AND YOU WILL BE RE NOTIFIED YOU AND WHEN FUTURE ACTION OCCURS ON THOSE PROPERTIES. THANK YOU. UH, STAFF, IF WE COULD PLEASE GO OVER THE ITEMS ON THE COMBINED AGENDA [00:05:03] FOR THE COMBINED ITEMS. THERE'S ITEM NUMBER 10 11 13 15, 18, 19, 23, 26, AND 27. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY ITEMS ON LISTED ON THE COMBINED AGENDA AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL? LOOK TO MY LEFT TO MY RIGHT. OKAY, GREAT. UM, MR. CHAIR? YES. SORRY, WHAT I FORGET , NO PROB NO, YOU HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ANYTHING. I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL IN FAVOR AS WELL AS A SPEAKER IN THE AUDIENCE IN FAVOR ON, UM, A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS HERE ON CONSENT OR COMBINED HEARING AGENDA TODAY. UH, SO WE'LL NEED TO TAKE THOSE UP BEFORE THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ADDRESSED BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, BUT AFTER WE HEAR CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ALL RIGHT. IF WE COULD, UH, READ THE COMBINED HEARING NUMBER ONE INTO THE RECORD. ITEM NUMBER 10 IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM R FIVE TO C TWO CD FOR WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR FACILITY LOCATED AT 4 2 2 7 COLLIBRA ROAD. THEY WERE, OH, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THERE WERE 12 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. COLLIBRA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 11 IS A REQUEST CHANGE IN ZONING FROM C THREE A H O D TO I ONE A H O D AND I I ONE H O D TO C THREE S A H O D WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR AUTO PAINT AND BODY LOCATED AT 1 2 4 11 WEST AVENUE. THERE WERE 17 NOTICES MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO POST. AND THERE ARE, UH, THERE IS NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED FOR THE AREA. ITEM NUMBER 13 IS A REQUEST CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R SIX A H O D TO C ONE C D H O D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AIR CONDITIONER RETAIL LOCATED AT 1 1 4 PARK PLAZA. THEY WERE 24 NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED MEMORIAL. MEMORIAL HEIGHTS IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 15 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE FROM OH TWO TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR OVERSIZED VEHICLE SALE SERVICE AND STORAGE WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED IN THE 2000, OR EXCUSE ME, 200 BLOCK OF ER, THERE WERE 34 NOTICES MAILED OUT. ONE IN FAVOR. ZERO, UH, EXCUSE ME, ONE IN OPPOSED EASTERN TRIANGLE IS IN SUPPORT. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM C TWO TO R SIX WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1 1 4 CECILIA STREET. WE MAILED OUT 47 NOTICES. ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO POST AND NO RESPONSE FROM PROSPECT HILL OR WEST END HOPE IN ACTION. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM C THREE NA TO C THREE CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR ANIMAL AND PET SERVICES. LO LOCATED AT 5 1 1 9 BECKWITH BOULEVARD. THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED. FIVE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 23 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE FROM C TWO TO MF 18 LOCATED AT 36 70 SOUTH LOOP 1604 WEST. THERE WERE 19 NOTICES MAILED, ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED. ITEM NUMBER 26 IS THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM I ONE A H O D TO I D Z TWO A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO, LOCATED AT 5 0 9 EAST GRAYSON STREET AND, EXCUSE ME, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT. SO TO FROM I ONE H O D TO I D Z TO A H O D WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO AND A BAR AND OR TAVERN. LOCATED AT 5 0 9 EAST GRAYSON STREET IN FIVE 11 EAST GRAYSON STREET. 36 NOTICES WERE MAILED. 11 IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION. GOVERNMENT HILL ALLIANCE HAS NO OBJECTIONS. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 27 IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE FROM C TWO TO R FOUR WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 8 0 0 5 INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 10 EAST SIX NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED. AND KNOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION FOR THE AREA. [00:10:01] ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. OKAY. UH, LET'S START ON ITEM 13. CAN WE GET THE VOICEMAIL PLAYED FOR THAT PLEASE? UH, YES. MY NAME IS RICHARD GARCIA, PRESIDENT OF MEMORIAL HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, ADDRESS IS 1 6 6 TESLA DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 2 8. CONTACT NUMBER IS 2 1 0 8 2 5 6 1 5 4. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH CASE NUMBER, UH, 1 0 7 0 0 2 4 0. THE ADDRESS IS ONE 14 PARK PLAZA. AND, UH, I JUST, I WAS JUST CALLING AS PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCI AGENT TO SAY THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, OF THIS ZONING. AND WE WE'RE, WE WERE VERY MUCH, WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT, WE MET WITH THE ATTORNEY AND WE'RE VERY IMPRESSED. UM, THEY SEEM VERY SINCERE AND UPFRONT AND WE WISH, WE WISH 'EM THE BEST OF LUCK IN THEIR, WITH THEIR NEW BUSINESS. WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE MEMBERS OF ACTIVE MEMBERS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND GET TO KNOW OUR SAFE OFFICER, OUR CO COMPLIANCE OFFICER, AND JUST GET TO BE, MEET WITH THEM. BUT WE DO WELCOME THEM AND INVITE THEM TO BE PART OF OUR ASSOCIATION. AND ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO, UH, THANK MS. CHRISTIE FLORES, UH, THE SENIOR PLANNER FOR HELPING US WITH THIS CASE. SHE WAS VERY, VERY, UH, KEPT US INFORMED AND UH, SHE WAS VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO SAY THE LEAST. THE CASE MANAGER WAS BASICALLY NON-EXISTENT. WE, WE HAD LITTLE, LITTLE TO NO COMMUNICATION WITH US AND JUST A WASTE OF TAXPAYER'S MONEY. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE'RE STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS CASE. THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR NEXT, UH, PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IS WE HAVE, UH, KENNETH DY HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 19. WE'RE HAPPY. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THEN FOR OUR ITEM 26, WE HAVE PATRICK SHEAR. UM, I'M IN, I'M IN FAVOR, BUT I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE COULD SPEAK . OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, READY? YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A ? DO WE, UH, SO WITH THE END OF NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM A COMMISSIONER? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. 10 11 13 15 18, 19 23, 26, AND 27. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. I'LL SECOND. I WAS SORRY. I WAS LOOKING TOWARDS, UH, COMMISSIONER ORTIZ FIRST. SORRY. I'LL LOOK THIS WAY NEXT. I KNOW. I KNOW. I KNOW. ALRIGHT. UH, ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE ON THE LEFT ON THE RIGHT. OKAY. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ORTIZ FOR ITEMS 10 11 13 15 18, 19 23, 26, AND 27. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMI? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LU HOLLAND? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEMS PASS FOR APPROVAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU ARE HERE FOR ANY OF THOSE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THOSE WILL NOW BE PROCEEDING TO CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU ARE FREE TO ENJOY THE, THE REST OF YOUR DAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE TO OUR COMBINED HEARING NUMBER. WHICH ONE ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE WE DOING? ARE WE DOING CONTINUANCES OR ARE WE DOING THE ADULT REC? CAN YOU PUT UP THE LIST PLEASE? REC. RIGHT. SO WE'RE DOING RECUSALS NOW FOR ITEM 22 AND 24. ALRIGHT. AND I SEE WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THE DOOR OFFICIALLY CLOSES. ALRIGHT. UM, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE LEFT THE MEETING AT 1 32. IF WE CAN NOW HEAR THE ITEMS ON THE, ON THE SECOND COMBINED HEARING, PLEASE. COMBINED HEARING PLEASE. ITEM 20, ITEM NUMBER 22 IS ASSIGNING ZONING TO PROPERTY, UM, BY APPLYING MF 33. [00:15:01] GENERALLY LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF COLLIBRA ROAD AND OLD STILLWATER ROAD. THERE WERE SIX NOTICES MAILED ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO POST AND THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED. AND ITEM NUMBER 25 IS A 24, OH, EXCUSE ME, 24 IS A SIGNING ZONING TO PROPERTY BY APPLYING R FIVE A H O D, GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH AT THE SOUTHEAST INTERSECTION OF WATSON AND VERANO PARKWAY. SIX NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED. AND NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION REGISTERED. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE ITEMS? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS LEFT OR RIGHT? ALRIGHT. COULD I HAVE A MOTION ON THESE ITEMS, PLEASE? I'LL LOOK THIS WAY. MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS 22 AND 24. ALRIGHT, SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KAMATH FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER 22 AND 24. COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER PUENTES AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LOGIA HOLLAND? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEMS PASS FOR APPROVAL. ALRIGHT, AND ONCE AGAIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS, THOSE ITEMS WILL NOW BE PROCEEDING TO CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU ARE ALSO FREE TO ENJOY THE, THE SLIGHTLY COOLER WEATHER OUTSIDE FINALLY, RIGHT? I KNOW, I KNOW. ALRIGHT, WE ARE NOW GONNA MOVE, OR, OR IF WE COULD GET, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IN FIRST. AND COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE IS REJOINING THE MEETING AT 1 35. IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OUR CONTINUANCE HEARINGS. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 18TH MEETING, STARTING WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE FROM C ONE SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR NON-COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT TO C ONE CD WITH A CONDITIONING USE FOR MOTOR VEHICLE SALES FULL SERVICE. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 3 4 6 COTTONWOOD AVENUE. WE HAVE 26 NOTICE. WE MAILED OUT 26 NOTICES. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM ST. LEO'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST CHANGE THE ZONING FROM R FOUR A H O D TO R FOUR C D A H O D WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS LOCATED AT 7 0 2 EL MONTE BOULEVARD. THERE WERE 39 NOTICES MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, 12 OPPOSED. AND NORTHWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM C TWO TO AND R SIX TO I D Z TWO WITH USES PERMITTED IN C TWO. ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THERE WERE 49 NOTICES MAILED OUT. TWO IN FAVOR. SIX OPPOSED TOBIN HILL, MONTE VISTA AND MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL OR ALL OPPOSED. ITEM NUMBER 14 IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM R FIVE TO I D Z ONE WITH USES PERMITTED FOR SIX DWELLING UNITS, ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT 1527 HILLCREST DRIVE. THERE WERE 16 NOTICES MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, ZERO POST AND NO RESPONSE FROM DONALD TERRANCE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ITEM NUMBER 16 IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM R FIVE N P EIGHT I ONE AND C THREE R TWO MF 18 WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME, LOCATED AT 5 0 0 1 SINCLAIR ROAD. THERE WERE 55 NOTICES MAILED OUT. ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED JUNE MAN DUPE MANOR WOULD LIKE A CONTINUANCE ON THIS ITEM. AND THAT'S ALL THE CONTINUANCE ITEMS FOR OCTOBER THE 18TH. UH, ITEM NUMBER 20 AND 21 HAVE BEEN MOVED TO INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX. THIS IS APRIL GU GUAMA? YES. OKAY. [00:20:01] YOU MAY, YOU MAY SPEAK NOW OR YOU CAN, UH, SPEAK AT THE NEXT MEETING OR YOU CAN SPEAK AT BOTH. IT'S UP TO YOU. I DON'T SPEAK NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU'LL JUST RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE, THE RECORD WHEN YOU GET UP HERE. THANKS. HELLO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, MY NAME IS, UH, APRIL GUAMA. I LIVE AT 7 1 9, UH, LORA BOULEVARD. UM, I AS WELL AS MY NEIGHBORS. WE DO NOT WANT THIS FOURPLEX FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. OVERCROWDING, NO PARKING CARS WILL BE PARKED IN THE YARD OR IN THE STREET. UM, MORE TRAFFIC. UM, A FOURPLEX IS TOO SIMILAR TO AN APARTMENT. A FOURPLEX CAN BRING IN BETWEEN 10 AND 16 CARS, MAYBE MORE FOURPLEXES NEED TO HAVE THEIR OWN ZONED AREA WITH PLENTY OF PARKING AND SECURITY LIGHTS. A FOURPLEX WILL LOOK UNATTRACTIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS UNATTRACTIVENESS WILL LOWER OUR PROPERTY VALUES. I LOVE MY HOME. MY NEIGHBORS ARE HARDWORKING PEOPLE. OUR LOCATION IS IDEAL. IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN I 10 AND 2 81 5 MINUTES TO THE AIRPORT DOWNTOWN. PLENTY OF RESTAURANTS, UH, HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BEING FLIPPED AND SOLD AS WE SPEAK. A FOURPLEX WILL ONLY BRING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN. I JUST WANNA ASK ONE QUESTION TO EVERYONE. FOURPLEXES ARE GREAT, BUT WOULD YOU REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A FOURPLEX NEXT TO YOUR BEAUTIFUL HOME? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS FOR CONTINUANCE? NONE. NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THANKS A LOT. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? LEFT RIGHT? OKAY. NONE. UH, WE ARE READY FOR A MOTION. MR. CHAIR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE FOLLOWING ITEMS TO THE OCTOBER 18TH ZONING COMMISSION HEARING. 4, 6, 7 14 AND 16. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WOW. OKAY, COMMISSIONER WATSON, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 18TH MEETING BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON FOR ITEMS 4 6 7 14 AND 16. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LIA HOLLAND? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEMS PASS FOR CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER THE 18TH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO OUR INDIVIDUAL HEARING ITEMS, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS LOCATED AT 17 15,000 OAKS DRIVE, 2020. NOTICES WERE MAILED OUT. ONE IN FAVOR. THREE OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM THE MANOR SHADY OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. GOING FROM C TWO AND O TWO TO C TWO S WITH A SPECIFIC USE FOR A CAR WASH. UH, STAFF AND SAS RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT AND SAS ARE HERE FOR THE STATEMENT. ALL RIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, SAS REPORT PLEASE. MIKE. MIKE GUSS AQUIFER PROTECTION AND EVALUATION SECTION. UM, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE ZONING APPLICATION LOCATED AT 17 15,000 OAKS, UH, ALLOWING FOR A CAR WASH FACILITY. UH, CURRENTLY THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED. UH, NO SENSITIVE GEOLOGIC FEATURES WERE OBSERVED ON SITE, UM, NOR NOTED ON FILE. UH, SO IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ALL ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO INCLUDE 65% PREVIOUS COVER FOR THE 2.53 ACRE SITE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD HAVE THAT APPLICANT PLEASE. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. ASHLEY FAIRMAN KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMAN 1 0 1 0 1 REUNION PLACE. UM, I'M NOT SURE. I, I KNOW WE'VE TOLD THE CASE MANAGER, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE NEED TO FORMALLY DO IT [00:25:01] FOR THE RECORD, BUT WE ARE WITHDRAWING THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ON THIS APPLICATION, SO WE'RE NO LONGER ASKING FOR THE CAR WASH. UM, THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION THAT SOME PEOPLE WERE PRESENT AT THE LAST HEARING, UM, OPPOSED TO THE CAR WASH. SO WE'VE WITHDRAWN THAT AND SO NOW WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR JUST THE C PIECE. UH, SO A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS ALREADY ZONED C TWO. UH, THERE IS SOME THAT IS ZONED O TWO. AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO UPDATE THAT. UH, AND THEN THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE HAPPY. IT'S NO LONGER A CAR WASH . UM, SO, UM, WITH THAT, I DON'T REALLY THINK I NEED TO MAKE TOO MUCH OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, AND WE ARE, UM, AGREEABLE TO SAS'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU STAFF. DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? YES, WE HAVE. UH, SANDRA MALCOLM HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. HELLO, I'M SANDRA MALCOLM. I'M PRESIDENT OF THE H O A KENTWOOD MANOR, WHICH IS, UM, THESE LOTS ARE A PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION THAT WAS FOUNDED IN 1950. UM, I HAVE SINCE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE AGAINST IT. I THINK THERE WAS ONLY ONE IN FAVOR. THE RECORD PRESENTED HERE TODAY SAID THERE WAS NO COMMENT FROM H O A I PERSONALLY AS PRESIDENT HAVE MADE MULTIPLE COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE ARE NOT ON RECORD. AND MY ZONING PLANNER, UH, IS HE PRESENT. OKAY. YOU HAVE RECEIVED ALL THOSE. AND, UM, MA'AM, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? I'M SORRY. I'M SO SORRY. BUT H O A IS WAS HEARD, UH, FROM I WAS HERE AT THE FIRST MEETING. I'M HERE AT THE SECOND ONE. WE OPPOSE IT. SO WHAT CONFIRMATION CAN I HAVE GOING FORWARD BACK TO MY NEIGHBORS THAT IT IS AS MISS, I FORGOT HER NAME, BUT THE LAW FIRM THAT THE CAR WASH HAS WITHDRAWN. AND WE DO KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN C TWO. WE DO HAVE C TAIL RETAIL. JUST I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE, UH, OF A, I THINK IT'S ANOTHER LITTLE COMMERCIAL, LITTLE ONE STORY, A ACHE SHOP, A CHIROPRACTOR, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE NEIGHBORS KNOW IT'S C TWO AND THAT IS THE BEST WE CAN DO, CONSIDERING THAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING. SO HOW CAN I BE ASSURED THAT THE NEXT MEETING, IF THERE IS ONE, THAT THE H O A IS PRESENT AND IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO AWAY WITH THE CAR WASH? I APPRECIATE THE INPUT FROM SAWS, BUT AS A CITIZEN AND NEIGHBORS WHO LOVE THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR QUIET PEACE ENJOYMENT, WHAT KIND OF CONFIRMATION CAN WE GET THAT THIS CAR WASH WILL NOT BE A PART OF IT? WELL, THE, THE, THE STAFF DID YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT OR YOU WANT ME TO? SURE. UH, WELL, OFFICIALLY THEY'VE AMENDED AT THE PODIUM. SO THE REQUEST IS ONLY FOR C TWO. IT'S NOT CONSIDERATION OF A CAR WASH ANYMORE. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, FURTHER, IF YOU HAVE OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE, WE CAN'T JUST TAKE VERBAL, UM, BY THE PHONE, WHICH IS WHAT THE PLANNERS INDICATED WHEN HE WAS GIVEN. WE NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING A QUICK EMAIL THAT SAYS, UH, KENT WOOD OR MANOR OR SHADY OAKS IS IN SUPPORT. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. OKAY. I WOULD'VE LOVED TO, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE PLANNER. I'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR DISTRICT NOW, UH, DISTRICT NINE COUNCIL SUPPORT. THEY HAVE ASSURED ME THAT OUR VOICES WERE HEARD. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT THE HO A'S VOICE WASN'T HEARD. AND I'M THE H O A REPRESENTATIVE, SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. IN FACT, I'VE GOT, I CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO YOU. NO PROBLEM. AND YOU'RE, YOU CAN ALSO BE ASSURED THAT IT WILL BE PART OF THE WRITTEN, UM, RECORD OF THE MEETING TODAY, WHICH IS IN THE MINUTES. SO THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT THAT CITIZEN'S VOICE BE HEARD AND ACKNOWLEDGE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAD LOT OF COMMUNICATION TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT RULES WE NEED TO FOLLOW TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS FOR THIS ITEM, IF WE COULD HEAR THOSE PLEASE. HI, MY NAME IS JANET COX, C O X. I LIVE AT 1831 PIPESTONE DRIVE, P I P E S T O N E. I DO NOT HAVE A CASE NUMBER OR ANYTHING, BUT I'M CALLING ABOUT THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE, UH, THE PLOT OF LAND ON THOUSAND OAKS WHERE THEY'RE REQUESTING TO PUT IN A CAR WASH. I LIVE IN KENTWOOD MANOR. I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKEN WITH SANDRA MALCOLM AS WELL. THIS IS JANET COX, C O X 1831 PIPESTONE DRIVE, CALLING TO REQUEST THAT IT NOT BE A CAR WASH DUE TO THE BRIGHT LIGHTS, THE NOISE, THE LATE HOURS UP AGAINST A RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, BACKING UP TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, MY PHONE NUMBER'S (210) 392-3028. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. MY NAME IS MITZI KEYSAR. I LIVE AT 1834 [00:30:01] PIPE ZONE DRIVE. UM, I'M CALLING ABOUT THE ZONING ISSUE WITH THE CAR WASH ON THOUSAND OAKS. UH, MY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT AREA. UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BUILDING A CAR WASH ON THAT PROPERTY DUE TO THE INCREASE IN HOMELESS, UM, ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE. UM, THE CAR WASHES GENERATE, UM, PLACES FOR HOMELESS TO SQUAT. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ISSUE IN OUR AREA WITH THE, UH, TUNNELS UNDER 2 81 GOING TO HO PARK, WHICH WERE, YOU KNOW, RATED A WHILE BACK, UM, WHERE THERE WAS HUNDREDS OF HOMELESS PEOPLE LIVING IN THE TUNNEL. UM, THEY CONTINUE TO GENERATE THROUGH OUR AREA. UM, THEY DON'T STOP AND CAMP LIKE THEY USED TO. THEY GO IN THE TUNNEL STILL. UM, THEY, BUT IT IS STILL AN ISSUE. UH, THE HOMELESS POPULATION. IT IS JUST A CAUSE OF DEATH. UM, IT CAUSES TRASH. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF UNWANTED ACTIVITY THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. UM, SO A CAR WASH IN THIS, IN THIS AREA, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE A GOOD SPOT, UM, FOR THIS, FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SO I VOTE NO FOR THE CAR WASH. THAT CONCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MS. FERMAN, DID YOU WANT TO SHORT REBUTTAL? NO, HANG ON. THINK I'M GOOD. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT. UM, OH, I DIDN'T EVEN LOOK TO SEE WHOSE CASE THIS WAS. DISTRICT COMMISSIONER BARDO, THIS IS YOURS FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO SANDRA AND THE NEIGHBORS. UM, JUST WANT TO, TO ASSURE YOU THAT THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH COUNCILMAN COURAGE AT LEAST THREE TIMES THIS WEEK AND THE PREVIOUS WEEK. AND, UH, SO IT WILL NOT BE A CAR WASH. IT'LL BE, UH, JUST A C TWO OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR RETAIL. SO I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT. AND, UM, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE IS NO OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FROM, UM, ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM TWO, UH, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED AND IT'S NOT A CAR WASH. ALRIGHT, WELL, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REAL QUICK. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE. OKAY, NOW YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION OFFICIALLY. WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM TWO, THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED TODAY. ALRIGHT. AND I'LL SECOND, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ORTIZ. SO THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO AS C TWO ONLY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ORTIZ. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT, ON MY RIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER TIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LILIA HOLLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES AS AMENDED. OKAY, THANKS. IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, I BELIEVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. ITEM NUMBER THREE. IT IS LOCATED AT 18 2 36 TUSCANY STONE GOING FROM C THREE TO C TWO CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A NIGHTCLUB WITH COVERAGE CHARGE FOR MORE DAYS A WEEK. THERE WERE NINE NOTICES MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR. ZERO OPPOSED? NO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. ONE IN FAVOR, OUTSIDE 200 FEET AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. AND DO I THINK WE HAVE A SAS REPORT TOO? CORRECT. SAW SO WE CAN HEAR FROM SAS? THANKS. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MICHAEL BARR WITH THE RESOURCE PROTECTION DIVISION OF THE SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM. HOPE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL THIS AFTERNOON. UM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A PRETTY SIMPLE ONE. IT'S A STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE. IT'S, IT WAS EXISTING. UH, WE DID DO A REPORT ON IT. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY 53% IMPERVIOUS COVER AND WE'RE FINE WITH IT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GO OVER THAT ON THE ONE ACRE SITE. UH, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ALL SAWS. RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT PLEASE, MR. [00:35:01] CHAIR. UH, COMMISSIONERS CAROLINE MCDONALD WITH BRANDON ORTIZ, ONE 12 EAST PECAN, SUITE 1360 HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UH, THIS IS A DISTRICT NINE CASE RIGHT OFF OF TUSCANY STONE IN 1604. IT'S A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE. UM, AS MR. BARR SAID, IT'S AN EXISTING, UH, BUILDING AND BUSINESS THAT IS OPERATING. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, CLOSER LOOK, UH, SURROUNDED BY SHOPPING CENTERS, RESTAURANTS, UM, COUPLE OF MEDICAL OFFICES. NEXT SLIDE JUST TO THE WEST OF 2 81 AND 1604. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UH, CURRENT ZONING IS C THREE. UH, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY C THREE AND SOME MULTIFAMILY. WE ARE OVER THE RECHARGE ZONE. UM, SO WE DO NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, UH, A NIGHTCLUB. WE ARE IN THE, UH, NORTH SECTOR PLAN. WE ARE REGIONAL, REGIONAL CENTER, EXCUSE ME. UH, NO PLAN AMENDMENT NEEDED. NEXT SLIDE HERE IS A GENERAL SITE PLAN. AGAIN, THE PARKING AND BUILDING IS EXISTING. WE WILL NOT EXCEED THE 53% IMPERVIOUS COVER. UM, WE HAVE A RESPONSE FROM J B S A. THEY HAVE NO OBJECTION AS LONG AS WE COMPLY WITH THE LIGHTING AND, AND RADIO REGULATIONS. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, THE OVERTURE AT, UM, STONE OAK. AND, UH, WE HA DO HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS. UM, THAT GENERALLY ARE, UH, WE'LL HAVE A SECURITY GUARD ON SITE, UH, NO OUTDOOR MUSIC, UH, UPKEEP OF THE PROPERTY. AND THERE'S A DESIGNATED PERSON, UH, POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE BUSINESS. SO WITH THAT, I RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST TODAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANKS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? YES, WE HAVE PETE CAMPOS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS ITEM. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS PETE CAMPOS. I AM, UH, LIVING AT ONE EIGHT, UM, SIX 10 TUSCANY STONE. IT'S A OVERTURE, UM, SENIOR APARTMENT OVER 55 ACTIVE SENIORS. OKAY. I EMPHASIZE THAT WE'RE NOT IN WHEELCHAIRS. WE'RE, UH, NOT ASSISTED. WE ARE YOUNG AT HEART. WE HAVE NOT ATTENDED THE NIGHTCLUB. IT'S A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR US. UM, BUT WE'RE STILL IN FAVOR OR HAVE NO OBJECTION, UH, TO THEM. BUT AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO, UM, AGREE TO THE OPERATIONAL TERMS. UM, BASICALLY, UM, YOU'VE HEARD WHAT THEY ARE. OUR BIGGEST, UH, CONCERN, COMMENT, COMPLAINT IS THE NOISE. THE MUSIC IS REALLY LOUD. UM, BASICALLY THEY OPERATE FROM 10 TO TWO IN THE MORNING. UM, A LOT OF TRAFFIC, A LOT OF TRASH THE NEXT DAY. UM, NO SECURITY. UM, WE'RE, WE WANT THEM TO BE, UH, A GOOD NEIGHBOR. UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, WE ASK THAT YOU CON UH, WE CONCUR AND THAT THEY ALSO, UM, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE LETTER OF INTENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MS. MCDONALD. DID YOU WANT A REBUTTAL? OH, I GUESS, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT CONCLUDES ALL PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. AND NO REBUTTAL. ALRIGHT. DISTRICT NINE COMMISSIONER REBUTTALS TO YOU WILL ALSO WELCOME COMMISSIONS TO MAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. I GOTTA SAY THANK YOU TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE MERCHANTS SURROUNDING THAT LOCATION. UH, ALL THE PARTIES HAVE WORKED VERY, VERY WELL TOWARDS THIS AGREEMENT. SO, UM, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP, UM, UH, THE COMMENTS, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OR THE NEIGHBORS. THERE'LL BE NO OUTDOOR MUSIC. AND, UH, SO THAT LETTER OF INTENT SHOWS THE GOOD COMMUNITY, UH, FAITH AND GREAT COMMUNICATION. SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS, UH, EFFORT. ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS? ON MY LEFT, ON MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER BARTOS FOR A MOTION. SO, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH THE LETTER OF AGREEMENT AND RESTRICTIONS. I SECOND. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER BARROS. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITE. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT? COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. SEEING NONE, IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER BARROS? [00:40:01] YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE. YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER LEGIA HOLLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO ITEM 28. THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE HISTORIC DESSI, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES CHAPTER FOUR, GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, CREATING NEW REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE DESIGN OF NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS LOCATED WITHIN HISTORIC ZONING OVERLAYS. AND THE PRESENTER TODAY IS CORY EDWARDS. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I DO THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT HERE I AM. UM, SO AGAIN, I'M CORY EDWARDS, UH, DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER WITH THE CITY'S OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, IT IS A FORM OF ZONING REGULATION. IT APPLIES TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, GOING THROUGH THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS WITH H C R C. UM, I DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM, I KNOW I JUST BRIEFED MANY OF YOU ON THIS ITEM ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR EXPEDITE THE PRESENTATION OR I CAN GO THROUGH EVERY SITE IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA DO. YOU CAN DO A QUICK VERSION. YEP. WELL, THE OTHER VER THE VERSION I DID WAS QUICK, SO I'LL, I'LL JUST MAKE SURE I, UH, HIT THE MAIN POINTS HERE. UM, SO AS MENTIONED, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER FOUR OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE AUTHORIZED BY THE U D C AS A REVIEW CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS WHAT THE H C R C IS REVIEWING WHEN IT'S CONSIDERING A CASE, UH, AT THE COMMISSION. UM, IT ONLY APPLIES TO PROPERTIES WITH A HISTORIC ZONING ZONING OVERLAY. SO THAT'S GONNA BE WITHIN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OR ONE OF OUR LOCAL LANDMARKS. UM, AND THEN THE NEW PROVISIONS THAT YOU'LL SEE WILL BE TRIGGERED BY PROJECTS THAT ARE TWO UNITS OR GREATER. AND SO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING, UH, KIND OF SMALL TO MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL INFILL IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. UM, OUR EXISTING PROVISIONS WERE ADOPTED IN 2012, UM, AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE. AND SO THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE U D C. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY THEM. UM, THEY DO REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL BECAUSE IT IS A FORM OF PROPERTY REGULATION. UM, AND THE, THE BASIS FOR THE ORIGINAL GUIDELINES IS, UH, CONSISTENCY WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION. THAT'S SORT OF A NATIONAL SET OF STANDARDS THAT MANY CITIES APPLY TO ITS HISTORIC, UH, DESIGN REVIEW PROGRAMS. UM, AND WE DO THE SAME, BUT WHAT THE GUIDELINES DO IS THEY OFFER A MORE, UM, ILLUSTRATIVE, UH, DOCUMENT THAT CUSTOMERS CAN KIND OF READ AND DIGEST AND UNDERSTAND WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE, IN THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. THAT'S ONE OF OUR OVERARCH ARCHING GOALS IS WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO, UM, UH, FEEL LIKE IT'S GUESSWORK OR INCONSISTENT WHEN THEY COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION. UH, WE WANT THERE TO BE CLEAR AND CONSISTENT STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLIED TO ALL PROJECTS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE PROCESS THAT HOPEFULLY MAKES THE, UH, THE PROCESS GO MORE SMOOTHLY, UM, AND, UH, MORE TIMELY, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO RERE RETURN TO THE COMMISSION MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, SO AS KIND OF I SAID, UH, PROVIDING CUSTOMERS AND COMMISSIONERS WITH GUIDANCE SO THAT THOSE OUTCOMES ARE CONSISTENT, UM, THEY'RE INTENTIONALLY GUIDELINES, THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO IT'S NOT THE SAME AS LIKE A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD, UH, THAT YOU SEE IN THE ZONING CODE. UM, THEY'RE BASICALLY THE BASIS FOR DECISION MAKING. AND SO, UM, THERE MIGHT BE A CERTAIN PROPERTY THAT MEETS THAT THAT HAS FIVE GUIDELINES THAT APPLY THAT IT MEETS FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE. AND MAYBE THAT'S ENOUGH TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR THE HT R C TO APPROVE IT. OR ON THE FLIP SIDE, THAT ONE GUIDELINE MIGHT BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IT DOESN'T MEET. AND SO THAT MIGHT BE THE BASIS FOR A DENIAL. IT REALLY GIVES FLEXIBILITY, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION TO INTERPRET AND CONSIDER EACH PROPERTY UNIQUELY. UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE PROPERTIES ARE USUALLY, UH, VERY DIVERSE IN SIZE AND SCALE AND SETBACK AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. AND SO THERE'S REALLY, UM, A WIDE ARRAY OF OUTCOMES THAT COULD RESULT FROM A REVIEW. UM, THE H C C IS RECOMMENDING BODY. UM, SO ALL FINAL DECISIONS ARE ISSUED BY O H P STAFF. UM, AND THOSE ARE APPEALABLE. AND SO THAT PROCESS IS IN PLACE. UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AND YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S MULTIPLE LINKS TO THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS. SO SPECIFICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT CHAPTER FOUR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND HERE'S WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S PHOTOS AND EXAMPLES AND DIAGRAMS, UM, THAT KIND OF SHOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, AND THEN THE GUIDELINE LANGUAGE THEMSELVES ARE AGAIN, NON-PRESCRIPTIVE. AND SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF, UH, YOU USES WORDS LIKE, UM, SHOULD AND UM, AND MAY SO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ENCOURAGEMENT TO CONFORM WITH THE GUIDELINES, BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. UM, AND SO JUST VISUALLY YOU CAN SEE KIND OF WHAT THE OUTCOME IS. AND SO ON THE LEFT WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS REVIEWED, UM, IN ONE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS PRIOR TO THE PLACEMENT OF THE GUIDELINES. AND SO THE REVIEW IS A LITTLE MORE SUBJECTIVE. THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. AND THEN SINCE WE HAVE GUIDELINES IN PLACE AND WE'RE ABLE TO BE MORE CONSISTENT IN OUR DECISION MAKING, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OUTCOME IS, UM, A LITTLE MORE IN KEEPING WITH [00:45:01] THE CHARACTER OF OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF SCALE AND HEIGHT AND MATERIALS, UM, AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. UM, SO THE ISSUE IS THAT THOSE ORIGINAL GUIDELINES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN 2012 DO NOT ANTICIPATE, UH, OR DID NOT ANTICIPATE THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. UH, WE ARE REVIEWING AT THE H C R C MORE THAN A HUNDRED REQUESTS ANNUALLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND INFILL CONSTRUCTION IN OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THAT NUMBER HAS GONE UP OVER TIME AND WE DON'T SEE IT CHANGING ANYTIME SOON. UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO SEEING MORE THAN JUST A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON A VACANT LOT. WE'RE SEEING REQUESTS FOR TWO OR THREE OR FOUR UNITS ON A LOT THAT OFTENTIMES IS CONSISTENT WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING. WE'RE ALSO CONSISTENT WITH A RECENT ZONING APPROVAL FOR THE PROPERTY. AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROCESSES ARE, ARE ALIGNING, UM, AND THAT WE'RE PROVIDING A PATH FORWARD IN INSTANCES THAT ALLOW FOR A GREATER DENSITY. UM, AND AGAIN, AVOIDING INCONSISTENT OUTCOMES BECAUSE THAT JUST RESULTS IN CONFUSION AND DELAY IN THE PROCESS. UM, WE WANT THE PROCESS TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED SO THAT THERE'S MORE ENCOURAGEMENT TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. UM, SO THE SPECIFIC ITEM IS AN AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER OR SECTION EIGHT OF OUR CHAPTER FOUR HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, AND THERE'S GONNA BE ADDED LANGUAGE, UH, CLARIFYING, UH, THE GUIDELINES FOR BUILDING HEIGHT AND THEN A NEW SECTION THAT APPLIES TO MULTIFAMILY. SO TWO UNITS ARE GREATER. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS THAT WE'RE ALSO PACKAGING THIS WITH THAT DO NOT REQUIRE ACTION. UM, BUT THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A SET OF WORKSHEETS THAT WILL APPLY TO THESE PROJECTS THAT WILL HELP THE, UH, THE USER IDENTIFY THE IMMEDIATE CONTEXT AREA FOR THEIR PROJECTS SO THAT THE COMMISSION CAN HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION WHEN THEY REVIEW THOSE CASES. UM, IT'S GOING TO SHOW LIKE WHAT THE COMMON SETBACKS OR COMMON SCALE OF BUILDINGS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA ARE AND REALLY DOCUMENT THAT AS PART OF THE THE RECORD. UM, AND THEN STAFF IS PRODUCING A, USING THE WORKSHEETS GUIDE, WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN DRAFT FORMAT ON OUR WEBSITE NOW. UM, AND THEN REALLY THE WORKSHEETS, AS I MENTIONED, I HELP TO, UH, DEFINE THAT CONTEXT AND INFORM THE REVIEW AT THE H C R C. UM, AND WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, THANKS. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, THANKS. UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER WHITE? YEAH, SO, AND I APOLOGIZE, I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS, BUT, UM, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER LIKE THE GUIDELINES, THE CRITERIA AND HOW MANY HAVE TO BE MET MM-HMM. IN ORDER FOR HISTORICAL STATUS TO BE RECOMMENDED OR PRESERVED. CAN CAN YOU GO OVER THAT ONE MORE TIME? WHEN, WHEN WE REVIEW A CASE, WE WILL, UM, PROVIDE IN OUR STAFF REPORT SIMILAR TO ZONING STAFF, UM, UH, A REPORT THAT SHOWS ANY APPLICABLE GUIDELINE TO A CASE. AND SO IF IT'S A REQUEST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE WILL CITE THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. IF IT'S A REQUEST FOR AN ADDITION, WE WILL CITE THE GUIDELINES FOR AN ADDITION. IF IT'S A REQUEST FOR BUILDING ALTERATIONS, WE WILL PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH OF THE GUIDELINES APPLY AND PACKAGE THAT AS PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND WE WILL MAKE, UH, A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S BASED ON FINDINGS. THE FINDINGS WILL BE WHETHER OR NOT THE REQUEST SPECIFICALLY CONFORMS WITH THE GUIDELINES OR IF IT STRAYS FROM THE GUIDELINES. UM, THE H C R C CAN TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALONG WITH THE UNIQUE FACTORS OF THE PROPERTY AND MAKE A DECISION. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT, LIKE I SAID, TO MEET ALL OF THE GUIDELINES, BUT, UM, THEY ALL APPLY TO A PROPERTY BASED ON THE TYPE OF REQUEST. A AND, AND AREN'T THERE, THERE'S LIKE 12 OR 15 FA FACTORS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT GETS LOOKED AT. DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE REQUEST. BUT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S UM, DOZENS. YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SETBACK, BUILDING ORIENTATION, SCALE, HEIGHT, MATERIALS, ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE PART OF THE REVIEW. AND THEN SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE ONLY THREE OR FOUR OF THE CRITERIA THAT ARE MET. BUT YOU GUYS STILL FIND THAT IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED HISTORIC, RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO KIND OF PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE, BUT YEAH, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A PROJECT WOULD LARGELY MEET THE GUIDELINES. UM, BUT THE, THE COMMISSION IS NOT BOUND TO DISAPPROVE A REQUEST SIMPLY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET ONE OUT OF HOWEVER MANY GUIDELINES THAT APPLY. AND SO I WAS SIMPLY TRYING TO ILLUSTRATE THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN THE PROCESS JUST DEPENDING ON THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE, THE SITE AND THE REQUEST. RIGHT. AND AND I THINK YOU SAID SOMETIMES SOME FACTORS WILL, WILL WEIGH MORE HEAVILY THAN OTHERS. EXACTLY. SO SOMETIMES BUILDING HEIGHT MIGHT BE REALLY IMPORTANT COMPARED TO SAY ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. UM, IT'S REALLY UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, THE DESIGN THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, UH, SORT OF MERITS APPROVAL BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE QUALITY OF THE PROPOSAL IS. OKAY. THANKS. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? NONE. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE. ALRIGHT. UM, SINCE THIS IS A CITYWIDE THING, I GUESS I CAN OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS ITEM. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER 28. SECOND. SHE SAID IT RIGHT BEFORE. ALRIGHT. [00:50:01] MOTION. THERE IS A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 28 BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. ANY DISCUSSION? LEFT DISCUSSION. RIGHT. SEEING NONE, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LEGIA HOLLAND? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR APPROVAL. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE'RE MOVING ON. IT'S ITEM EIGHT. IS NEXT ON THE LIST? GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANN AVIDA, ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT LOCATED AT 5 1 5 WEST BEND DRIVE IS A PROPOSAL TO GO FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD UH, FOR TWO DWELLING UNITS AND ALL OVERLAYS WILL REMAIN THE SAME. THERE WERE 29 TOTAL NOTICES SENT WITH ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR AND ZERO OPPOSED AND NO REGISTERED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF DOES FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. UM, THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPRISE ENTIRELY OF SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND LAND USE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, THANKS. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JUAN LOPEZ. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT MR. RALPH ENTENTES, UH, PROPERTY OWNER OF 5 1 5 WEST BEND. SO WE ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD, UH, TO ALLOW UTILITIES TO AN A D U. UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S AN AMENDMENT THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED UH, EARLY NEXT YEAR TO ALLOW OR TO ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE A D U UTILITIES BE CONNECTED TO THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET A HEAD START, UH, GIVE MR. SUFUENTES PROPERTY, UH, PROPER TIME TO GET HIS UH, SITUATION IN ORDER. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT BUT COMMISSIONER WE DID ASK FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE PERMITTING. UM, THERE WAS A PERMIT PULLED FOR AN ADDITION TO THE HOME. THAT'S HOW IT WAS PROCESSED THROUGH AND THAT'S WHY THE STRUCTURE EXISTS. HOWEVER, IT IS NOW, UM, BEING USED AS AN AN AN ADDITIONAL UNIT, WHICH IS WHY THEY NEED, UM, THE REZONING FROM R SIX TO R SIX CD FOR TWO UNITS, UH, THAT WAY THEY CAN FINISH IT OUT AND ADD ELECTRICITY. ALRIGHT, THANK THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER WE TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ADDITIONAL UNIT AND AN A D U? IT'S ATTACHED TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE. SO THE, UH, IF YOU'RE DOING AN ADDITION TO YOUR HOME, IT IS TYPICALLY AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND IT IS ATTACHED. UM, THIS STRUCTURE IS ATTACHED AND SO IT WAS SEEN AS AN ADDITION. HOWEVER, UM, NOW THEY WANNA USE IT AS A UNIT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSES AND, AND IT'S ANOTHER UNIT THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE CONNECTED, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO USE IT SEPARATELY FROM THE MAIN UNIT. SO THEN CAN THE APPLICANT IDENTIFY THAT ATTACHMENT AS AN A D U N? NOT TYPICALLY, NO SIR, BECAUSE AN, AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS TYPICALLY DETACHED AND HAS ITS OWN REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS SIZE MODIFICATIONS. OKAY. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THEN WHAT OPTIONS THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE IF IT WERE TO BE DENIED BASED ON ZONING, CURRENT ZONING THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE USED AS THE EXIST AS PART OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UM, WITH ONLY ELECTRICITY FROM THE PRIMARY UNIT IF THE REZONING DOESN'T HAPPEN, IF THEY DON'T GET THE SECOND STRUCTURE AND THEY CAN WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, UM, THE U D C AMENDMENTS ARE CONSIDERED IN OCTOBER AND THEN WOULD BE EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST IF, IF THOSE CHANGES ARE ADOPTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, MR. FUENTES, THANKS FOR COMING. UM, AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE, I HAVE LOOKED AT, UH, YOUR PROPERTY AND UM, YOU KNOW, [00:55:01] WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AGAIN ON ADUS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF THOSE A D U AMENDMENTS. UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION BASED ON THE CURRENT GUIDELINES THAT WE HAVE ON ZONING. SO AGAIN, I I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO JUST KIND OF BRING THINGS BACK TO CODE. 'CAUSE I THINK THE STRUCTURE'S ALREADY BUILT, UH, NOW JUST WANT ELECTRICITY IN THERE. BUT I, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS A ZONING COMMISSION IS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY AND NOT THE POSSIBILITY OF AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE AGAIN, AS EXPLAINED TO ME BY STAFF IS THAT THERE'S NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THE A D U AMENDMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME, BUT RIGHT NOW I, I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO, UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE REST OF MY COMMISSIONERS OR COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON MY RIGHT? NONE COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, SO IS THIS, THE OWNER IS CURRENTLY LIVING THERE, THE THE OWNER'S CURRENTLY LIVING THERE? YES MA'AM. OKAY, SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, I I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION AND I, AND I COULD BE COMPLETELY IN THE WRONG HERE, BUT ISN'T THERE, THERE'S AN A D D U AND THEN AN A A D U AND SO THE FIRST ONE'S THE ACCESSORY DETACHED DWELLING UNITS AND THE SECOND ONE IS THE ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. YES. SO THEN IF, IF THE OWNER'S LIVING THERE AND WE HAVE AN ATTACHED UNIT, IS IT BECAUSE THE SIZE IS TOO BIG OR BE, WHY ARE WE HERE? IF THE OWNER'S LIVING THERE AND THEY NEED AN AND THEY WANT AN A D U AND IT'S, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN ATTACHED A D U. WELL, I, I I THINK I'M JUST VERY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. NO, THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION. SO IS IT THAT THE A RE THE RESIDENT DOESN'T PLAN TO CONTINUE TO LIVE THERE, ARE THEY? NO MA'AM. THE, THE, THE OWNER IS UH, BUILDING KIND OF A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE FOR A FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S IN NEED. UM, AND HE'S JUST TRYING TO GET SOME ELECTRICITY THERE SO THEY CAN HAVE KIND OF THAT IN INDEPENDENCE, STILL LIVE AT HOME BUT HAVE THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES OF UTILITIES. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTING THE SECOND METER. SO IT IS THE OWNER OCCUPIED, IT IS FOR A FAMILY MEMBER BUT THEY'RE WANTING THE SECOND METER AND THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE ZONING. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND IS THAT THE REASON, I GUESS GOING BACK TO THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL IS FOR THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T PASSED PRETTY MUCH THAT TECHNICALLY THE AMENDMENT IN OCTOBER WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ADD THE SECOND? NO SIR. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT BASED ON THE EXISTING AND SURROUNDING ZONING AND THERE JUST AREN'T ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS LIKE THAT IN THAT COMMUNITY. IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. PERFECT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. ALRIGHT, BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER, WE FOR A MOTION. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT ALTERNATIVE ACTIONS CAN THE APPLICANT TAKE IF AGAIN, BASED UPON CURRENT ZONING GUIDELINES? HIS REQUEST IS DENIED. SO THE OPTION RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO UTILIZE IT, IT WOULD BE JUST TO HAVE ONE METER. SO WOULD THE APPLICANT BE HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR TO REAPPLY IF IT WAS DENIED TODAY? NO SIR. THAT'S ONLY WHEN IT GETS TO COUNCIL. SO IF HE NEEDED TO REAPPLY AFTER THE AMENDMENTS, UH, ARE CONSIDERED AND WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS EFFECTIVE JANUARY ONE, IF IT DIDN'T PASS AND HE STILL NEEDS A SECOND UNIT, THEN HE CAN, OR A SECOND METER HE CAN COME BACK, UH, TO REQUEST REZONING AGAIN. ALL RIGHT, MR. ENTENTES, I THINK, UM, AGAIN, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT AGAIN, BASED UPON WHAT WE ARE AGAIN BOUND BY, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE RULING, UH, THE, THE ZONING GUIDELINES THAT THEY EXIST TODAY. SO RELUCTANTLY BASED ON THAT, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. SO, SO WHICH, WHAT IS DENYING IT? IS IT THE REASON, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL? BECAUSE THERE ARE NO OTHER SECONDARY UNITS IN THE AREA. MY REASON FOR DENYING IS NUMBER ONE IS THAT CURRENTLY [01:00:01] WITH THE ZONING, UH, UH, GUIDELINES, THERE ARE NO OTHER HOUSES CONDITIONS ON THE BLOCK OKAY. THAT HAS THAT KIND OF STUFF. STREET FACE THAT YOU HAVE AND ALSO BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE ATTACHED UNIT RATHER THAN A DETACHED UNIT. MM-HMM. . SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE REASON. SO IF WE WERE TO DETACH, WOULD THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME SITUATION, SAME SITUATION TO GET TWO METERS? TO GET TWO METERS? YES SIR. MM-HMM. . OKAY. ALRIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER. WE IS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER'S ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL. UM, I THINK THAT, THAT WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE. WE DO HAVE, UM, AN ENTIRE BLOCK THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. UM, IF, IF WE DO GO FOR THE CD FOR TWO UNITS, THEN WE WOULD BE CHANGING THE, THE CHARACTER OF THIS BLOCK BECAUSE, UM, EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE, EVERYONE BY RIGHT HAS THE ABILITY TO BUILD EITHER AN ATTACHED OR DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AS LONG AS IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED. IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD BE ALLOWING FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE SOLD TO AN INVESTOR OR TO UH, ANOTHER USER WHO WOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE THERE. SO THEN WE'RE CHANGING IT FROM REALLY SINGLE FAMILY WITH THE A D U TO THEN BASICALLY A DUPLEX ZONING. SO THAT'S THE REASON I'LL BE SUPPORTING. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OKAY. SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE. ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL BY COMMISSIONER. WE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. RIGHT? OKAY. UH, ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES? AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LU HOLLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 12 AND GOOD AFTERNOON. MARCO MAVI, PRINCIPAL PLANNER. UH, ITEM NUMBER 12 IS LOCATED AT 4 0 0 7 SOUTH FLORES. GOING FROM C THREE NA TO I D Z THREE WITH THE FOLLOWING, USE OF PERMITTED C TWO MULTI-FAMILY NOT TO EXCEED 50 UNITS PER NOT TO EXCEED 50 DWELLING UNITS. BAR, TAVERN WITHOUT COVER CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS A WEEK. ALCOHOL, BEVERAGE, MANUFACTURING OR BREWERY MICROBREWERY, WINERY AND BOTTLING THEATER, INDOOR PERMITTING, TWO SCREENS AND OR STAGES. BOWLING ALLEY, EXTENDED STATE MOTEL HOTEL, CORPORATE HOUSING, HOTEL LARGER THAN 35 FEET WHEN UNABLE TO ACHIEVE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT PURSUANT TO 35 DASH FIVE 17 D. ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITHOUT COVERAGE CHARGE THREE OR MORE DAYS PER WEEK. NOT INCLUDED. FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS, BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING, NON-ALCOHOLIC, NON-A ALCOHOL INCLUDING MANUFACTURING, PROCESSING, DANCE HALL, FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT WITH OR WITHOUT ACCESSORY LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED OUT ONE IN FAVOR, ZERO OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM THE ST. LEO'S NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTENCE C THREE NA IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA AND THE REQUEST IS I D Z THREE IS ALSO APPROPRIATE FOR ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE REQUESTED ZONING WERE ESTABLISHED A MIX OF MULTI-FAMILY LIMITED TO 50 UNITS PER ACRE, C TWO AND OTHER VARIETY OF SPECIFIC SPECIFIED USES. THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT BETWEEN TOR TWO ARTERIAL ROADS AND CONTINUES THE VARIOUS INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL USES FOR THE NORTH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD ADD THE APPLICANT PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. DELANEY HONAKER WITH KILLING GRIFFIN AND FAIRMONT. UM, WE SHOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION. [01:05:02] PERFECT, THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS LOCATED AT, UM, AS YOU SAW FROM STAFF'S PRESENTATION ALONG PLEASANTON ROAD AND SOUTH FLORES STREET. YOU GO NEXT SLIDE. OH, PERFECT. UM, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 0.5 ACRES. UM, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A ZOOMED OUT IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C THREE NA HHL, A H O D, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE IT TO I D Z THREE. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, UM, SOME OF THE POTENTIAL USES. UM, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING WITH, UM, THE HISTORIC, UM, OR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING, UM, AND KIND OF WORK TO CREATING, UM, A GREAT ENVIRONMENT TO BRING IN TENANTS. SOME OF THE TENANTS THEY'RE LOOKING AT PO POTENTIALLY HAVING, UM, IS DOWNTURNING THE PROPERTY FROM THE CURRENT C THREE TO A C TWO USES. UM, ADDITIONALLY INCLUDING WINERIES, MICRO BREWERIES, BOUTIQUE HOTELS, A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, A RESTAURANT, A DANCE HALL, OR A BOUTIQUE RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX. UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY AS IS EXISTS TODAY. UM, THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS REMOVED TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING. UM, THIS IS A FRONT IMAGE OF WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE. UM, HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UM, WITH PARKING IN THE FRONT AND IN THE REAR. UM, AND THEN HERE'S SOME RENDERINGS OF KIND OF WHAT THEY WANNA REVITALIZE THE PROP PROPERTY TO LOOK LIKE. UM, SO THEN THEY CAN BRING IN TENANTS. UM, THEY HAVE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF REACHING OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, AROUND THE PROPERTY, UM, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MEETING NEXT THURSDAY WITH ST. LEO'S, UM, ALL PROPERTY OR WE'RE INVITING ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. UM, AND THE LONE STAR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO KIND OF JUST DISCUSS, UM, INTRODUCE THEM TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, DISCUSS WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC FEATURES OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND WORK TOWARDS GETTING A GREAT TENANT. AND THAT IS IT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? UH, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. UH, DISTRICT THREE, CASE COMMISSIONER FUENTES FOR YOU. THANK YOU. UM, NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT. I APPRECIATE THE DOWN ZONING AND THE OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT GOES THROUGH, SEE WHO COMES OUT. SEE THAT. ANY QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED IF, IF THERE ARE ANY. UM, AND, UH, IN LIGHT OF THAT, UM, WELL I'LL WAIT FOR THAT. I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANKS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? COMMISSIONER, WE THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, SO YOU'RE GOING TO REQUEST THE I D C THREE BECAUSE OF PARKING, IS THAT RIGHT? UM, I THINK THAT THEY WANTED TO REQUEST THAT, UM, BOTH FOR THE PARKING AND ADDITIONALLY TO ADD A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL USES, UM, TO JUST BRING IN MORE OF A BOUTIQUE COMMUNITY STYLE, UM, USE FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO WHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU ENVISION THE PARKING TAKE PLACE? ALONG THE STREET OR IT WOULD BE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? SO IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, IF YOU LOOK IN THE SITE PLAN, UM, THERE WAS A BUILDING, UM, THAT BACKS UP ONTO TODO STREET, UM, AND THEY REMOVED THAT TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING. SO WHERE, SO IT'S THAT BACK, UM, PORTION WHERE YEAH, KIND OF ALL ALONG THERE IS WHERE THE PARKING IS OR WILL BE. THANK YOU. THANKS COMMISSIONER. WE QUESTIONS MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE. UM, JUST A QUESTION. SO ON YOUR SITE PLAN, THE HATCHED AREA, THAT IS WHERE THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. YOU'RE NOT YES, MA'AM. PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION? NO. THERE WILL BE ANY CHANGES TO THAT. YEAH, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION. IT'S JUST REVITALIZING KIND OF THE HISTORIC NA NATURE AND FEATURES OF IT, BUT NO, UM, ADDITIONS TO THE BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES TO YOU FOR A MOTION. UH, SO IN LIGHT OF THE, THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS OUT TO NEXT MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SATISFIED. YEAH, I THINK WE WOULD BE A AMENABLE TO A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT. I'D A MOTION FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 18TH. ALL RIGHT. THERE IS A MOTION FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE, UH, BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES IS OUR SECOND, SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. UM, ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT I'M REAL, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT [01:10:01] I DON'T KNOW. UH, THIS, THIS IS A, UH, ANYTIME WE SEE, UM, REVITALIZATION AND, UH, RENOVATION OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ME IS SOMETHING TO BE EXCITED ABOUT. BUT I WILL BE VOTING FOR THE CONTINUANCE FOR TWO WEEKS. SO IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LOGIA HOLLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS, WHERE'S MY LIST? 17. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS, UH, JOSH WARDEN, SENIOR PLANNER FOR ZONING. UH, ITEM NUMBER 17 IS LOCATED AT 44 27 EAST SOUTH CROSS. UM, THERE WERE 30 NOTICES MAILED OUT, NO RESPONSE, UH, IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR. AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM, UH, PECAN VALLEY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, THE CURRENT ZONING IS, UH, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE FROM R FIVE, UH, TO C TWO COMMERCIAL. UM, CURRENT ZONING IS, UH, NOT APPROPRIATE DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE AREA. UM, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND THERE ARE ZONED C TWO ALREADY. UM, AND THEN THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN, UM, CURRENTLY DEFINED, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, ANY, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO BE 30 FEET AWAY FROM THE ABUTTING RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE NORTHEAST OR THE NORTH AND SOUTH? UH, SORRY. JUST THE NORTH. UM, THE 30 FOOT BUFFER IS GONNA BE REQUIRED REGARDLESS OF THE, UH, ACTUAL ZONING ON THAT PROPERTY. UH, AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE PRESENT. ALRIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT, IF YOU'D GIVE US A DESCRIPTION OF YOUR PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME'S ARLENE SANCHEZ AND I'M, UH, THE WIFE OF SALVADOR SANCHEZ, WHO IS THE APPLICANT. WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS, UH, RESTAURANT, UH, BUSINESS. WE'VE BEEN IN THE AREA FOR MANY YEARS TO BE EXACT. WE'RE AT 39 39 EAST SOUTH CROSS AT THE MOMENT AS ERO MEXICAN RESTAURANT. AND WE WERE AT PECAN VALLEY AND DOLLAR HIDE FOR 21 YEARS. UH, WE HAD TO GET OUT OF THERE, BE, I'M SORRY, BECAUSE, UH, WE WEREN'T OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY DECIDED TO SELL. SO THAT WAS THE REASON WE HAD TO CLOSE THAT RESTAURANT. AND WE ARE THE OWNERS OF THIS, UH, LAND. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE EL ERO MEXICAN RESTAURANT TO THIS PROPERTY, BUILD A NEW RESTAURANT AND, AND START, YOU KNOW, UH, WORKING WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY RENT. AND NONE OF THAT OFFER. THE EVERYBODY AND THE SURROUNDINGS A NICE NEW RESTAURANT. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY CONVENIENT SINCE ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE AT EL BRACERO, MEXICAN RESTAURANT ARE HAPPY WITH US. THEY'VE BEEN, UH, CUSTOMERS WITH US FOR MANY YEARS AND EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR. AND ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE IN FAVOR OF US MOVING OVER TO THAT PROPERTY SINCE IT'D BE CLOSE BY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF WE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, COMM HOLD ON. COMMISSIONER FUENTES BACK TO YOU FOR QUESTIONS. UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, YES. THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO, CURRENTLY YOU'RE, UH, LOOKING FOR C TWO. UH, DOES THE ESTABLISHMENT SERVE ALCOHOL AT ALL, AT ALL? NO. UH, 39. 39 EAST SOUTH CROSS DOES NOT SERVE ALCOHOL. WE'RE RIGHT IN FRONT OF AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. OKAY. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, OFFER OUR CUSTOMERS, UH, BEER AND WINE PERMIT. UH, SO WE COULD OFFER SOME BEER TO THEM IF THEY'D LIKE. UH, WE DID HAVE BEER AND WINE PERMIT AT PECAN VALLEY, WHICH IS JUST FOUR MINUTES AWAY. WE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE OR ANYTHING. IT, THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE, UH, BUSINESS WOULD BE FAMILY RESTAURANT. THAT WOULD BE THE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OUR CUSTOMERS BEER OR WINE. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO HAVING ANY COMMUNITY OUTREACH? UH, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE LOT? [01:15:01] UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH. YES, WE COULD DO THAT. OKAY. AND IF YOU COULD GET THAT SOME, UH, IN WRITING, MAYBE IF THEY HAVE ANY OPPOSITION OR IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN, UH, AGREEANCE WITH YOU AND MM-HMM. HAVING THAT ALCOHOL, UH, SERVING ALCOHOL ON THE PREMISES. YES. UH, JUST SO THAT WE COULD SEE THAT AND KNOW THAT THERE'S DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE BEING ALL RIGHT WITH THE ALCOHOL SERVICES. OKAY. AND I ALSO DO WANNA MENTION WE WOULD CLOSE AT 10 O'CLOCK SO WE WOULDN'T BE A BUSINESS THAT'S GONNA BE OPEN LATE AT NIGHT OR ANYTHING. WE USUALLY CLOSE OUR BUSINESSES AT 10 O'CLOCK 'CAUSE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE TIME. YOU KNOW, NOBODY ELSE, THE FAMILIES DON'T GO OUT TO EAT, YOU KNOW, TOO LATE AT NIGHT, SO. ALRIGHT. UM, I APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME MM-HMM. TO, TO DO THE OUTREACH. UM, ONCE I DO, DO, WHERE DO I SEND THE INFORMATION TO TO, YOU CAN SEND THAT TO, TO YOUR CASE MANAGER. OKAY. AND, UH, THEY'LL RELAY THAT INFORMATION TO MY CASE MANAGER. IS THAT AFO GONZALEZ OR WHO IS THAT? 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HIM. JOSHUA HUSH. JOSHUA, HE'S BACK HERE. MM-HMM. ? YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. ALRIGHT. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMERS ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER LES, UH, JUST ONE COMMENT. UM, THEY, THEY, IF THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO A SCHOOL, THEY STILL NEED TO GET A WAIVER FROM, UH, T A B C AND, AND THEY HAVE TO ALSO BE APPROVED BY, UM, A PROCESS HERE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. SO IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE. IF YOU'RE WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF A CHURCH, A HOSPITAL, A SCHOOL, YOU STILL HAVE TO GET A WRITTEN WAIVER FROM T A B C. SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. IT TAKES A LITTLE LONGER. PLUS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HERE HAS TO APPROVE THAT PERMIT ALSO. YES, SIR. I BELIEVE IT'S A 300 FEET FROM A SCHOOL AND, UH, WE ARE, UH, 300 FEET OVER 300 FEET I BELIEVE. SO WE WOULDN'T BE RIGHT CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL. AND, UM, WHAT ELSE WAS I GONNA SAY? I MEAN, IN THE EVENT SOMEBODY OPPOSES OF THE BEER AND WINE, I MEAN, WE COULD JUST NOT DO THE BEER AND WINE AND JUST DO THE RESTAURANT, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT MANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS WOULD LIKE AND THAT'S WHY WE WERE, YOU KNOW, MENTIONING IT. YEAH. UM, I CONSULT WITH A LOT OF RESTAURANTS, SO MY ADVICE TO YOU MM-HMM. , IF T A B C GIVES YOU THAT APPROVAL, UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO, UM, GET, HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE STATE APPROVAL FOR THAT. SO THERE'S ONE NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T MATTER REALLY. ONE NEIGHBOR WON'T IMPACT T A BBC IS THE STRONG, UH, PERMIT THAT YOU NEED TO GET. OKAY. YEAH. WELL, I HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY MOVEMENT TO APPLY TO T A B C YET SINCE WE'RE HAVEN'T GOT THE APPROVAL FROM Y'ALL FIRST. ONCE WE DO, AND ONCE WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE'RE PLANNING, THEN YES, OF COURSE WE WOULD APPLY TO T A B C. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSION ON MY LEFT. COMMISSION ON MY RIGHT? NONE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER FUENTES TO YOU FOR A MOTION. ALRIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO, TO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK THAT, THAT ALCOHOL LICENSE IF, IF, UH, YOU SEE FIT MM-HMM. . UH, SO I MOTION TO CONTINUE TWO WEEKS TO OCTOBER 18TH. WOULD THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME, UH, JUST TO GET THE, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RIGHT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? CORRECT. YES. OKAY. THAT'S ENOUGH TIME. ALRIGHT. I MOTION TO, UH, CONTINUE THE CASE TO, UH, NEXT MEETING. OCTOBER 18TH. AT WHAT TIME SIR? SAME. SAME TIME. SAME TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THERE'S A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALRIGHT. MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 18TH MEETING BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT? NONE. COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. NONE. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LIA HOLLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE'RE ON ITEM 21. NO, 20 FOR ITEM NUMBER 20. IT'S ITEM 20. OKAY. THANK YOU. ITEM 20, ITEM NUMBER 20 IS A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE IN ZONING FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR CD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. LOCATED AT [01:20:01] 1823 WEST CRAIG PLACE, THERE WERE 31 NOTICES MAILED OUT. ZERO IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED NO RESPONSE FROM WOOD WOODLAWN LAKE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE EXISTING R FOUR IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED R FOUR CD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR FOUR DWELLING UNITS IS ALSO APPROPRIATE AND ALLOWS FOR MORE HOUSING OPTIONS IN THE AREA. THE REQUEST FOR MORE DENSITY ALSO MEETS THE GOALS AND OBJECT OBJECTIVES OF THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL DENSITY TO SUPPORT THE GROWING SAN ANTONIO POPULATION AND TO ADDRESS THE VARIOUS LEVELS OF ECONOMIC HOUSING NEEDED, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. HI. GOOD AFTERNOON GUYS. HOW ARE YOU? UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THE, THE HOUSE ALREADY CURRENTLY HAS FOUR METERS PRESENT, UH, FOUR GAS METERS, FOUR ELECTRIC METERS. UM, WE JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED IT. WE ARE, UH, FROM SAN ANTONIO, LOCAL HOME BUILDERS HERE IN TOWN. WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE INTACT. IT HAS SOME POOR ADDITIONS THAT WERE DONE ALONG THE WAY. WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE THOSE, UH, ADD THAT SECOND UNIT ON THE FRONT AND THEN ADD THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE IN THE REAR. UM, WE'VE TRIED TO INCORPORATE AS MUCH PARKING AS POSSIBLE. IT IS A NICE BIG DOUBLE LOT DOWN IN THE AREA. UM, IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE AS IT SHOWS ON THERE BY 180, I THINK SOMETHING DEEP. SO IT'S A VERY LARGE LOT. UM, IT'S RIGHT BY THE LAKE. UH, IT'S GONNA BE I THINK, A GREAT ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE BUILD HIGHER END STUFF. WE DON'T BUILD JUNK AT ALL. UM, I THINK IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD BE AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, TRYING TO FOLLOW DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND KEEP EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD HERE ALL BE IN THE SAME. SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY KIND OF IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE ANY MORE THAN THAT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IF WE COULD GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THOUGH. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. MY NAME'S ROBERT BINKY. UH, CURRENT ADDRESS IS 8 0 6 5 PRU ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 9. ALRIGHT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY COMMENT. NO, WE DO NOT. SO I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHY WE, WHY DID WE PULL THIS? SO IT HAD COME, I HAD BEEN, IF I MAY SPEAK, I'M SORRY. IS THAT OKAY? UH, I HAD BEEN IN TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY AND TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD AND I HADN'T REALLY GOTTEN MUCH BACKLASH FROM ANYBODY. UM, AND WE WERE HERE PRESENT TODAY AND I SAID, HEY, WELL LET, IF I CAN SPEAK WITH EVERYBODY AND TRY AND MOVE IT FORWARD, LET'S DO WHAT WE CAN. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE. I OKAY. I'M NOT TRYING TO RUFFLE ANY FEATHERS OR DO ANYTHING WRONG. YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS . I THINK SO YOU HAD ORIGINALLY REQUESTED THE CONTINUANCE, WHICH IS WHY WE PUT IT ON THE CONTINUANCE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT? YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION THERE. NO, I, I WAS CONFUSED AND I SHOULDN'T BE. NO WORRIES. THIS IS, THIS IS IN'T MY DISTRICT. NO WORRIES. ALRIGHT. UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? OH, COMMISSIONER WATSON. UH, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION. HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS WILL THERE, SIR? BEFORE TOTAL UNITS? YES MA'AM. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS ON MY RIGHT? NONE. ALRIGHT. I DON'T HAVE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS. I DO KNOW THAT I, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, WOODLAWN LAKE WAS, UH, SCHEDULED TO MEET AND I BELIEVE THEY WERE GONNA MEET WITH YOU. THEY HAD MET LAST WEEK. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY INFORMATION FROM THEM. WE AGAIN, WE WERE HERE AND PRESENT. I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, NOT TRYING TO RUFFLE ANY FEATHERS. I'M HERE AND READY TO GO, SO I FIGURED I'D STAND UP. YEAH, WELL LET, LET, LET ME, LET ME FIND OUT. I'LL GET, OKAY. IF YOU COULD GIVE ME YOUR INFORMATION. ABSOLUTELY. UH, THAT, WHAT I HAD HEARD WAS THAT WOODLAND LAKE WAS TRYING TO SOMEHOW MEET WITH YOU ABOUT IT. OKAY. UM, UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR A, WAS IT A FOUR WEEK CONTINUANCE? IT WOULD'VE BEEN A TWO WEEK, I THINK IS WHAT ORIGINAL HAD BEEN TWO WEEK? MM-HMM. YES, SIR. OKAY. WELL, WE'LL DO A, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A TWO WEEK CONTINUANCE TO OCTOBER 18TH. AND THIS IS FOR CASE 20, CORRECT? ITEM 20. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT. IS THERE A, CAN I GET A SECOND OR MAYBE SECOND. ALRIGHT, COOL. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE. OKAY. MOTION IS FOR A CONTINUANCE TO THE OCTOBER 18TH MEETING. UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. CHAIR SIPES? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER ENTHUS. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? AYE. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LOGIO HOLLAND? YES. ITEM PASS THIS FOR CONTINUANCE. ALRIGHT. AND IF YOU COULD JUST, DO YOU HAVE A CARD OR SOMETHING? YEAH, I CAN, I CAN GRAB YOU ONE. ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, THANKS. AND YOU CAN JUST, YEAH, I'LL RUN OUT REAL QUICK. WHAT WE COULD DO. IT'S OKAY. WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE'LL SEND YOU HIS [01:25:01] CONTACT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL GET IN TOUCH. YEP, ABSOLUTELY. ALRIGHT, UH, ITEM NUMBER 21 PLEASE. AND AVIVA'S ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 21 IS LOCATED AT 1 5 3 8 SOUTHEAST MILITARY AND IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM C THREE TO C TWO SS WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR BAIL BONDS. WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THERE WERE 11 TOTAL NOTICES SENT WITH ZERO RETURN IN FAVOR. ONE RETURN IN OPPOSITION. HOT WELL'S MISSING MISSION REACH IS REQUESTING AN THAT THE APPLICANT CONTINUE THE ITEM IN MISSION. SAN JOSE, JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS OUTSIDE 200 FEET AND THEY'RE OPPOSED. STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. THE CURRENT C THREE GENERAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS AN APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREA. THE PROPOSED C TWO S COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH A SPECIFIC USE AUTHORIZATION FOR A BAIL BOND OFFICE IS ALSO APPROPRIATE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATIONS AND THE LEVEL OF PROPOSED INTENSITY IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. HELLO? HI, I AM STEPHANIE GARCIA AND MY HUSBAND LOUIE GARCIA. WE'RE THE OWNERS OF AAA GARCIA BELL BONDS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THIS WOULD BE OUR SIXTH LOCATION TOTAL IN BEXAR COUNTY. IT WOULD MAKE OUR FOURTH LOCATION. UM, WE CURRENTLY RESIDE IN, UM, DISTRICT, DISTRICT TWO, FIVE AND SEVEN. WE'VE BEEN IN THE BAIL BOND BUSINESS FOR 15 YEARS AND, UH, IN OPERATION IN BEXAR COUNTY NOW 10. SO, UM, WE'RE ASKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM C THREE TO C TWO SS TO ALLOW US TO HAVE A BAIL BOND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE. IT WOULD BE A SATELLITE LOCATION. UM, BASICALLY FAMILY MEMBERS WOULD COME IN AND PAY FOR A BOND FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBER THAT IS IN JAIL. UM, WE WOULD UTILIZE OUR DOWNTOWN LOCATION, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE, UH, CURRENT SOUTH TOWER. AND THEY WOULD GO POST THE BOND FOR US. BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A, A CONVENIENT PLACE FOR FAMILY MEMBERS TO COME IN AND MAKE THE PAYMENT AND THEN LEAVE. UM, WE'VE CURRENTLY MET WITH, UM, I KNOW THEY ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE FROM HOT WELLS. UM, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM TODAY, UM, AND I EMAILED HIM AND ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HE HAD, UM, WHICH WERE, WHAT WOULD OUR SIGNAGE LOOK LIKE? AND THEY WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WERE, UM, REZONING THE ENTIRE LOCATION AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ONLY REQUESTING TO REZONE SECTION OR SUITE 2 2 0 2, WHICH IS 600 SQUARE FEET FOR OUR OFFICE. UM, AND THAT'S ALL. AND HE SAID, OH, WELL, FROM WHAT WAS MAILED OUT WE THOUGHT YOU WANTED THIS BIG, HUGE BELL BONDS ON THE CORNER, LIKE A FLEA MARKET OR WHATEVER. AND I SAID, NO SIR, IT'S JUST SUITE 2 0 2. IT'S 600 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, SO I DID ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY, OR THAT HE HAD MR. ALEXANDER. UM, AND THEN I DID FOLLOW UP WITH AN EMAIL TO SHOW HIM WHAT OUR CHANNEL LETTERING SIGNAGE LOOKS LIKE, WHICH WE'VE ALSO, UM, THE LANDLORD HAS SEEN AND APPROVED, UM, FOR THAT HE'S THE LANDLORD. WE'VE SIGNED A LEASE FOR A YEAR. UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN PAYING FOR THAT LEASE. SO WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE BECAUSE WE WE'RE ALREADY INVESTED WITH THE REZONING. UM, THE AMOUNT OF THE APPLICATION AND THE AMOUNT OF THE SURVEY WE'RE ALREADY IN $2,000 JUST ON THAT. BUT ALSO THE THREE MONTHS RENT THAT WE'VE HAD TO PAY JUST WAITING FOR THIS PROCESS TO START. UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. WE DO NOT WANNA CONTINUANCE ANY LONGER IF WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT. SO WE DID, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE'VE OFFERED TO MEET WITH HOT WELLS WITH THEIR BOARD WHENEVER THEY WOULD LIKE TO TOUR THE SUITE 2 0 2. UM, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY AESTHETIC CHANGES TO THE OUTSIDE OTHER THAN ADDING, ADDING OUR NAME, AAA GARCIA ON THE OUTSIDE. UM, ANY QUESTIONS WE'RE OPEN FOR, WE'LL FIND OUT. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? UH, NO. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. THIS IS A, UH, DISTRICT THREE CASE OF COMMISSIONER FUENTES TO YOU. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO THE, THE FIELD NOTES, ARE THEY NOW IN THE UPDATED SITE PLAN FOR THAT? SUITE 2 0 2. SO THEY DID SUBMIT A SURVEY, BUT THE SURVEY, UM, ZONES THE SUITE. WE DO NOT ZONE PRO, UH, ACTUAL BUILDINGS OR SUITES. IT HAS TO [01:30:01] BE THE PROPERTY ITSELF. AND SO THEY'RE MODIFYING THEIR, UH, SURVEY OR THEIR FIELD NOTES IN ORDER TO DO THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WILL BE INCLUDED. AND IT ONLY INCLUDES THE 660 SQUARE FEET THAT SHE MENTIONED. AND IF, IF I MAY SAY THAT I THINK THE FIELD NOTES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED ALREADY AND SENT TO OUR, UH, AGENT, UM, MS. BEEZ BEEN MODIFIED, BUT I HAVEN'T. OKAY. OKAY. WE JUST GOT THEM APPARENTLY. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. UM, WELL WITH THAT UPDATE, THAT MAKES THINGS A LITTLE BIT CLEAR, MORE CLEAR, UM, 'CAUSE I I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LARGE OF AN ESTABLISHMENT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND ABSOLUTELY I WOULDN'T EITHER. . UM, I'LL TURN, TURN THIS OVER TO THE REST, THE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT? NONE. COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHEN DOES THIS GO INTO CITY COUNCIL? IT WOULD BE A MONTH OUT FROM THIS DATE. SO, SO THEY COULD TECHNICALLY ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS WITH THOSE HOAS BEFORE THAT DAY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE ACTUALLY WILL NOT FORWARD IT UNTIL WE HAVE THAT MODIFIED, THOSE MODIFIED FIELD NOTES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? FROM MY LEFT. SEEING NONE BACK TO YOU. COMMISSIONER FUENTES FOR A MOTION. UM, I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST AS AMENDED, UH, FOR THE 600 SQUARE FEET, UH, ZONED, UM, FOR THE SPECIAL USE. ALRIGHT. UM, CAN I ASK WHAT THE AMENDMENT WAS THERE? IT'S, IT'S JUST FOR C TWO. I THINK HE'S JUST NOTING THAT IT, IT'S GONNA BE A REDUCED AMOUNT AND I I WOULD, I WOULD HESITATE TO SET A SPECIFIC AMOUNT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE NUMBER THAT IS SET. OKAY, GOT IT. GOT IT. ALRIGHT. AS, AS CHANGED. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE BY COMMISSIONER FUENTES. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ORTIZ. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ON MY LEFT. COMMISSIONER ON MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER FUENTES AYE. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? YES. COMMISSIONER BARROS? YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE? YES. COMMISSIONER LILIA HOLLAND? YES. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, ITEM 25 AND BONAVITA ZONING PLANNER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ITEM NUMBER 25 IS LOCATED AT 1 3 7 EAST WOODLAWN AND IS A REQUEST TO GO FROM R FOUR TO R FOUR C D WITH ALL OVERLAYS REMAINING THE SAME. THERE WERE 71 NOTICES SENT WITH ONE RETURN IN FAVOR, ONE RETURN IN OPPOSITION AND MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION IS OPPOSED AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE FROM THE TOBIN HILL. COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STAFF DOES NOT FIND EVIDENCE OF LIKELY ADVERSE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING LANDS IN RELATION TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST. VARIOUS ZONING DESIGNATIONS CAN BE FOUND IN THE AREA WITH LAND USE RANGING FROM LOW TO HIGH INTENSITIES. THE PROPOSED R FOUR CD MAINTAINS THE BASE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENCE AND THE CD CONDITIONAL USE WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION OF A GIFT SHOP WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS LIMITED TO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND CANNOT BE EXPANDED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, IF WE COULD HAVE THE APPLICANT PLEASE. SURE. PAUL FLETCHER, 7 45 EAST MULBERRY, SUITE 700 AND I HAVE A LITTLE POWERPOINT. IS THERE SOME MORE TIME? UH, YOU SHOULD USE THAT. OKAY. WE'RE ASKING TODAY TO HAVE 300 SQUARE FEET OF THIS PROPERTY UTILIZED FOR A GIFT SHOP. KEEP THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME. UH, MR. VARNEY IS HERE. HE LIVES AT THE PROPERTY AND IS GONNA BASICALLY OPERATE A HOME BUSINESS. WE CAN'T DO THE HOME OCCUPATION BECAUSE HE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CUSTOMERS COME TO HIS HOUSE. HERE'S THE EXISTING HOME. IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME. UH, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN THE AREA DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF US IS KEYSTONE, UH, SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL DOWN ON THE, THE [01:35:01] PROPERTY'S LOCATED IN BETWEEN, UM, WOODLAWN AND BETWEEN MCCULLOUGH. LET ME SHOW YOU THIS. MCCULLOUGH, MAINE AND WOODLAWN AT THE END OF MAINE, WHICH IS, UH, YOU CAN'T SEE HERE, BUT THERE'S A SPA. AS YOU MOVE DOWN THE, UM, FROM LEFT TO RIGHT FROM THERE YOU'LL HAVE A SINGLE ONE, SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THREE UNITS, UH, THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE CD PLUS THREE. RIGHT NEXT TO US IS THE MULTIFAMILY, UH, PROPERTY, THE MF 33. THE ARROW SHOWS THE PROPOSED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO THE RIGHT. IT SHOWS R FOUR, BUT THERE ARE THREE METERS ON THAT PROPERTY. SO WE THINK IT'S PROBABLY THREE UNITS THERE. UM, THEN WE HAVE AN R FOUR AND AT THE END IS AN R FOUR WITH TWO UNITS, WHICH IS IN KIND OF A STATE OF DISREPAIR QUITE FRANKLY. AT THE END YOU HAVE THE, UM, UH, LARGE CONDOMINIUMS DIRECTLY BEHIND US. YOU HAVE C TWO USES. WE'VE GOT A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, THERE'S A RESTAURANT BACK THERE, THERE'S A DANCE STUDIO, AND THEN THERE'S A BEAUTY SALON. SO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE KIND OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. WE THINK HAVING A 300 SQUARE FOOT GIFT SHOP IS COMPATIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING USES. UH, HERE IS THE PROPOSED GIFT SHOP. MR. VARNEY, UH, IS AN EXPERT IN THE HERB FIELD. HE IS ON THE BOARD OF THE HERB SOCIETY OF AMERICA. HE GIVES LECTURES ON HERBS AND ALL OF HIS PRODUCTS ARE HOMEMADE IN THERE. YOU'LL SEE, UM, COLOGNES, TEAS, SEASONING, REAL SEASONING, LOTIONS, PERFUMES AND CANDLES. AND THAT'S WHAT HE SELLS. HE'S ALSO GONNA SELL SOME ARTWORK. UM, AND IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN COME GET A SIGNED COPY OF HIS BOOK ON HERBS. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU ALL GRANT US THE ABILITY TO HAVE A HOME OCCUPATION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS FROM THE MONTE VISTA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION. UM, FRANKLY, THERE'S, THEY, THEY DON'T WANNA SEE RETAIL. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF USES WITHIN 200 FEET OF OUR PROPERTY SCHOOLS. C TWO USES MULTI-FAMILY USES. UH, THE OTHER CONCERN IS TRAFFIC. UH, WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO DO IS NOT OPEN UNTIL 10:00 AM SO THAT THE TEACHERS AND STUDENTS AT KEYSTONE, UH, WILL NOT BE IMPEDED BY THE TWO OR THREE CARS THAT MAY GO TO THE GIFT SHOP AT THAT HOUR. UH, WITH REGARD TO PARKING, WE'VE GOT A PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IF WE NEED TO EXPAND THE PARKING, FIRST OF ALL, IF WE NEED TO DO IT OR WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH HISTORIC PRESERVATION, UM, THIS IS AN INITIAL THOUGHT OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND THAT WOULD BE SIMPLY TO WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY A LITTLE BIT. UH, LET ME GO, THIS EXPANDS IT SO IT'S A LITTLE CLEARER. IT WOULD BE EXPANDING THE DRIVEWAY TO ADD ANOTHER SPOT. UH, WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO CONSIDER OTHER CONSTRAINTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AS I MENTIONED, WITHIN 200 FEET OF US, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING THE, THE NOTICES A SCHOOL COMMERCIAL USES OFFICES, UH, MULTI-FAMILY 33 AND ONE OR TWO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO WITH THAT, UH, WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND SEEK YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS, UH, CONDITIONAL ZONING. UM, I'M SORRY, CONDITIONAL ZONING. THE OTHER CONCERN FROM MONTE VISTA WAS WHAT WILL A FUTURE HOMEOWNER DO? WELL WITH THE CONDITIONAL ZONING? AS YOU ALL KNOW, THEY'RE ONLY LIMITED TO DO THAT CONDITIONAL ZONING. SO ANY FUTURE OCCUPANT OWNER COULD ONLY DO A GIFT SHOP. THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN A GIFT SHOP OR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO WITH THAT WOULD ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. DID WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? YES, WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. OKAY. IF WE COULD PLAY THAT PLEASE. YES. HELLO, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ALICIA WININGER. W I N E I N G E R. I LIVE AT ONE TWENTY SEVEN EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN FIVE SEVEN THREE ZERO SEVEN THREE ZERO. AND UH, I WANTED TO LEAVE A, A MESSAGE BY 10:00 AM THIS MORNING FOR THE MEETING FOR PLAYBACK DURING THE MEETING, I BELIEVE AT 10. SO THIS IS FOR A SELLING CHANGE REQUEST AND THE ADDRESS IS FOR 1 37 EAST AVENUE. UH, I MET MR. VARNEY AND I JUST WANTED TO, TO SAY HE'S, UH, UM, HAS VERY GOOD INTENTIONS IN HAVING A GIFT SHOP THERE AND I THINK HE'S GONNA BEAUTIFY THE MONTE VISTA. I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE OR BEING AN OWNER SINCE, UH, 1983 I BELIEVE. AND UM, IT WAS NICE WHEN DR. ROGERS, UH, PSYCHIATRIST HAD A, AN OFFICE THERE AND JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT NOW THAT THE YEARS HAVE PASSED BY, I THINK IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. I TOOK A LITTLE TOUR, UH, [01:40:01] MR. BONNIE GAVE ME A TOUR AND HE WAS JUST WONDERFUL. I BELIEVE IT'S A VERY NICE AREA AND I HOPE IT WORKS OUT FOR HIM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS CALL. HAVE A GOOD DAY. BYE-BYE. THAT'S ALL PUBLIC COMMENT. ALRIGHT. UM, YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED A REBUTTAL TO THAT, I WOULD GUESS. I CONCUR. YOU CONCUR. OKAY. ALRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE, THIS IS YOUR CASE. THANK YOU. UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO START OFF WITH. UM, I NOTED IN THE STAFF MEMO THAT THERE'S NO NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN HERE AND NO FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OR THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ARE SAYING. SO IT'S IN THE MONICA COMMUNITY. UM, IT'S IN THE MONTE VISTA COMMUNITY PLAN, WHICH IS A PLAN THAT WAS PASSED IN 1999. SO, UH, WE DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE IT AND IT ALSO DOESN'T, UM, SPECIFY ANY FUTURE LAND DESIGNATIONS. YEAH, YEAH. THERE'S A, THERE'S A CERTAIN POINT AT WHICH, UH, OTHER PLANS CAME INTO PLAY. AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT IS A PLAN THAT EXISTS, IT'S NOT USED FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES FOR ZONING CASES, IS THERE ANOTHER PLAN THAT SUPERSEDES IT? WE WILL CHECK ON THAT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND, AND IS THERE, ARE THERE PLANS IN PLACE TO PUT A PLAN IN THAT AREA? OH YES, I'M SURE. UM, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON VARIOUS AREAS. WE'VE, SO FAR, WE'VE HAD MIDTOWN BROOKS MEDICAL, THEY'RE ALL COMING ALONG FAIRLY QUICKLY NOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT ONE IS IN ALIGNMENT TO BE ADOPTED. AND REMIND ME AGAIN, WHEN WAS THE LARGE AREA REZONING THAT WOULD'VE AFFECTED THIS PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? IT LOOKS LIKE, WELL THIS PARTICULAR, THE HISTORY ON THIS ONE SHOWS THAT IT WAS, UM, MF 33 AND IT CONVERTED. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET YOU THE DATE OF YEAH. 'CAUSE I REMEMBER WHICH, UH, LARGE AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THAT DATE FOR YOU. OKAY, THANKS. IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TO, OKAY. SO, UM, ON YOUR SITE PLAN, I NOTED, SO THERE'S A HOUSE PLUS A RENTAL UNIT IN THE BACK. COULD WE PULL UP MAYBE HIS SITE PLAN? IS IT NOT MOVING? TRY IT. OH, YOU MIGHT HAVE IT ON HERE TOO. DO YOU WANNA DO, KEEP GOING, KEEP, DO YOU WANNA SEE THE BRI THE WHOLE SITE PLAN OR THE FRONT? UH, NO, I THINK THIS IS FINE. I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO READ, BUT, UM, SO I NOTED THAT THERE'S, SO IT'S A HOME AND THEN IN THE BACK, THE, THE STRUCTURE THAT'S NOTED IN THE BACK IS, IS A RENTAL AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE THE GIFT SHOP. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A TOTAL OF KIND OF THREE SEPARATE USES ON THE PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE PLAN FOR PARKING WOULD BE, WOULD, WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE HOME IF, IF YOU WERE TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM H G R C, UM, THEN HOW ARE, HOW WOULD ALL OF THE PARKING SPACES FOR ALL OF THIS WORKOUT? UH, WELL WE BELIEVE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL SPACE, AGAIN, WE'D WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT THERE'D AT LEAST BE, UH, SPACE FOR THREE VEHICLES OR FOUR VEHICLES. THEY WOULD BE PARKED TANDEM THOUGH, RIGHT? SO, YES. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND THEN SO, UH, IT'S JUST YOU SAID 300 SQUARE FEET APPROXIMATELY. OKAY. AND ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES, UM, THAT WOULD BE TAKING PLACE THERE? LIKE WERE THE PRODUCTS MADE, YOU KNOW, DELIVERIES, WHERE WOULD DELIVERIES BE MADE? DELIVERIES OF SUPPLIES? YES. UM, SUPPLIES MAY BE, UH, DELIVERED OR YOU MIGHT, UH, PICK 'EM UP IF I MAY. ANY DELIVERIES WOULD JUST BE LIKE INDIVIDUAL SMALL BOXES. THERE WOULD BE NO BIGGER THAN IF YOU ORDERED SOMETHING FROM AMAZON. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. AND I HAVE [01:45:01] YOUR CLARIFYING, UM, IT, THE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTION, SO MONTE VISTA SOUTH WAS ADOPTED IN DECEMBER OF 2020. THAT'S WHEN THAT ONE WAS REZONED. SO WE REZONED A VERY LARGE AREA WITHOUT A LAND USE PLAN. WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T USE A LAND USE PLAN TO, TO LOOK AT THAT AT ALL. RIGHT. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT MAKES IT EASIER TO, TO, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND ZONING TO WHAT'S ON THE GROUND. IT'S OBVIOUSLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SO IT WAS ZONED FOR, FOR THE R SIX. BUT IF THERE IS A, IF THERE IS A DOCUMENT FOR US TO LOOK AT, WE LOOK AT THAT. UM, IN SOME SITUATIONS THE CCRS GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON WHAT THEY WANT THE INTENT TO DO FOR THAT REQUEST FOR THAT LARGE AREA REZONING. AND SO THE NEAR NORTH PLAN IS WHAT THAT WILL BE IN. UM, I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHEN THAT DATE IS. I'LL HAVE TO SEND THAT TO YOU LATER, BUT, UM, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THAT WHEN A PLANNING DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON MY LEFT? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MY RIGHT. ALRIGHT. CNN BACK TO YOU FOR MOTION. MAY I JUST ADD A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? THE PRODUCTS ARE MADE AT A SEPARATE STORAGE UNIT OFFSITE. OKAY. THANKS VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, AS MANY FOLKS UP HERE KNOW, I'M, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. IT LOOKS VERY CUTE AND I WOULD PROBABLY SHOP THERE, UM, , BUT, BUT THERE, THERE'S A LOT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ON THIS CASE. AND SO, UM, I'LL BE MAKING A MOTION FOR DENIAL. AND THE REASONING WHY, UM, SEVERAL REASONS WHY, UM, CONSISTENCY WITH THE LAND USE CATEGORY. SO I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MONTE VISTA'S PLAN IS QUITE OLD, BUT IT IS STILL IN PLACE AND THE GOALS OF THAT PLAN HAVE BEEN SET FORTH PRETTY CLEARLY. UM, AND ONE OF THE GOALS OF THAT PLAN IS NO CONVERSIONS OF RESIDENCES TO BUSINESSES OR OFFICES. UM, OTH OTHER CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UM, IN THAT PLAN AND AS WELL AS BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARE THE, THE PARKING SITUATION. I THINK THAT PROBABLY IS FOR ME ONE OF THE, THE BIGGEST ISSUES HERE WITH RESPECT TO ADVERSE IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. UM, THIS AREA IS VERY, IF YOU SAW THE, THE PICTURES THAT CAME UP FROM THE STAFF POSTED THIS AREA HAS PARKING ON STREET PARKING. AND YOU NOTICE THIS PROPERTY HERE HAS A TWO STORY RESIDENCE PLUS A RENTAL UNIT AND NO PARKING EXCEPT IN THE DRIVEWAY. AND MANY OF THESE HOMES HAVE A SIMILAR SETUP. WE HAVE A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY OVER HERE. YOU SAW THE THREE UNITS, TWO UNITS, AND SO EVERYONE'S PARKING ON THE STREET. THIS STREET, IT IS, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S AN ARTERIAL, UM, BUT IT HAS A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE. SO IT IS VERY NARROW WHEN POPE, WHEN FOLKS ARE TRYING TO GO BY. AND THEN WE HAVE KEYSTONE ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH PROVIDES A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AND PARKING AND SIMILAR ISSUES ON, ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AS WELL. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY REALLY IMPACT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN AN ADVERSE WAY. UM, I ALSO, THIS IS MID-BLOCK, SO WHILE WE DO HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL KIND OF CATTY CORNER THAT BACKS UP TO MCCULLOUGH, UM, WITH EXTRA FINE AND THERE'S ANOTHER, AN OFFICE I BELIEVE THERE, UM, THE, THIS BLOCK FACE IS, IS DEFINITELY RESIDENTIAL. UM, WHILE IT IS MULTIFAMILY, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME ADDITIONAL UNITS, IT IS DEFINITELY RESIDENTIAL AND I THINK THAT HAVING ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL CREEP HERE IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND THE USE PATTERN. UM, AND ALSO ANOTHER CONCERN I HAVE WITH THAT WOULD BE ANY FUTURE, UM, ASKS, UH, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF OTHER COMMISSIONERS UP HERE, REMEMBER I'M SURE COMMISSIONER SIPES AND COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HUEY AND COMMISSIONER KAMATH, MANY TIMES WE'LL HAVE CASES COME UP WHERE WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN A YEAR LATER OR TWO YEARS LATER WE COME UP AND THEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE TO NC OR C ONE, THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS. THEY SAY WE ALREADY HAVE THIS USE HERE, WE'D LIKE TO EXPAND THE USE. AND YES, THAT DOES, WE, IT WILL COME BACK TO ZONING COMMISSION FOR US TO HEAR THAT, BUT IT GIVES THAT PROPERTY OWNER THE ABILITY TO SAY WE'RE ALREADY DOING THIS, JUST ZONE US INTO COMPLIANCE. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, GIVEN THE, THE EXISTING PATTERNS, GIVEN THE THE PLAN, WHICH IS STILL IN PLACE, EVEN IF STAFF DOESN'T WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE IT, AND I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN WORKING TO UPDATE THE PLAN FOR PROBABLY SEVEN YEARS. SO I, I HAVE TO GET SOMEONE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO [01:50:01] CONFIRM THAT. BUT I, I REMEMBER HEARING TALKS ABOUT THAT IN 2015. SO THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO UPDATE THE PLAN AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OLD PLAN THAT'S IN PLACE UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S A MOTION FOR DENIAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WATSON. UM, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YOU A CITY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. RYAN, WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE APPROVAL? BASED ON JUST THE MAINTAINING THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT AND THEY'RE ADDING THE ONE USE OF, UH, OF GIF SHOP, WHICH IN GENERAL IS A C N C C ONE KIND OF USE. AND THEN I COULD HAVE RECALLED THAT THE VOICEMAIL, SOMEBODY STATED THAT THAT WAS USED PREVIOUSLY AS A, LIKE A THERAPIST OR SOME OF PSYCH, UH, PSYCHIATRIST OFFICE OR SOMETHING. SO YES, A LOT OF THESE, UM, HOMES ALONG THIS CORRIDOR WERE USED IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. UM, THAT'S WHY MONTE VISTA REQUESTED THE LARGE AREA REZONING FOR THE AREA TO TRY TO BRING THAT BASE ZONING BACK TO UH, EXACTLY WHAT IT IS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THERE MAY TODAY BE, UM, NONCONFORMING OR BE MODIFIED IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT ONE THING. GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. AND I, COMMISSIONER WHITE YOU HAD YEAH, THIS, THIS ONE'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE MUCH COMMENT OTHER THAN THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH CASE FROM WHERE I SIT AND UH, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT WE'VE GOT STAFF I BELIEVE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IF I HAVE THAT RIGHT. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. AND, AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER FROM THE DISTRICT, UM, MOVING TO DENY IT. UM, IT'S TOUGH. THANK YOU . OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS ON MY COMMISSIONER WATSON? UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE HAS MADE A GOOD CASE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF LOOPHOLES IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION THAT DON'T PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE, THE, THIS IS BEING REZONED BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT THE HOME PROFESSION OFFICE SITUATION, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT A THERAPIST OR AN ACCOUNTANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, COULD USE, DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS SITUATION AS A RETAIL BUSINESS. THERE WOULD BE TRAFFIC HERE. UM, AND CONSIDERING PARTICULARLY THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THIS BEING MID-BLOCK AND THERE BEING A NEED FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO REMAIN IN PLACE IN THIS SECTION OF THE CITY IN PARTICULAR, I THINK COMMISSIONER GREAT HOUSE'S POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN. UM, AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS SIMILAR UM, EXPERIENCES IN NEIGHBORHOODS IN MY DISTRICT, UM, I KNOW THERE IS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT UNTIL THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN SAYS, UM, AND ARE MINDFUL OF THAT AND CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS EXISTING AND DESIRED MOVING FORWARD. UM, FOR ME THERE ARE JUST TOO MANY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LACK OF A REGIONAL PLAN, UM, THE LACK OF A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE LEAVE TOO MANY OPEN-ENDED QUESTIONS FOR ME TO REALLY SUPPORT APPROVAL WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SO CLEARLY DEVELOPED IN A PARTICULAR DIRECTION AND STATED WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. AND ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS, UM, WITH TRAFFIC. UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DRIVE DOWN THE STREET. IT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM A SCHOOL. UM, I THINK THAT THE, THE PARKING PLAN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IS NOT ADEQUATE, UM, FOR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS BEING PRESENTED. AND I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, FOLLOW THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR DISTRICT AND RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER IS ON MY RIGHT. NONE. OKAY. I, I WILL ECHO COMMISSIONER WHITE. THIS IS, THIS IS A DIFFICULT, UH, CASE. UM, AND FOR ME THE SWAYING PART IS THE, THE MID-BLOCK ASPECT. UM, AND SO WITH THAT I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION. IF WE COULD HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. COMMISSIONER GREATHOUSE? YES. COMMISSIONER WATSON? YES. COMMISSIONER FUENTES. AYE. COMMISSIONER KAMATH? YES. COMMISSIONER, WE AYE. COMMISSIONER ORTIZ? NO. COMMISSIONER BARROS? NO. COMMISSIONER WHITE? NO. COMMISSIONER LEGIA HOLLAND? YES. CHAIR SIPES? YES. ITEM PASSES FOR DENIAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND GOOD LUCK. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE, I THINK WE JUST HAVE MINUTES REAL QUICK. DO WE, DO WE HAVE A I KNOW IT'S LIKE [01:55:01] THREE. IT'S LIKE THREE AND IT'S LIKE, WE USUALLY TAKE A BREAK, BUT WHAT DO WE, OKAY, GO AHEAD. AH, OKAY. OKAY. SORRY. DO WE HAVE A, [Approval of Minutes] I THINK MINUTES ARE THE LAST THING ON THE, ON THE THING. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION OR IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON MINUTES CORRECTIONS? UH, JUST, I KNOW WE DO IT BY ACCLIMATION USUALLY, BUT PLEASE NOTE I'M RECUSED SINCE I WAS NOT HERE. I'M ALSO, YOU'RE ALSO, OKAY, SO Y'ALL ARE ABSTAINING. IS THAT WHAT? ABSTAINING. ABSTAINING. SORRY. SORRY. NO, NO, NO. I'M TRYING TO THINK. SORRY. UM, THAT'S WHY WE TAKE THE THREE O'CLOCK BREAKS. UM, ALRIGHT, SO CAN I GET A, CAN I GET A MOTION? CAN I GET A MOTION FOR, UH, THE MINUTES FROM SOMEONE CHAIR? YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR OUR MINUTES. OKAY. UH, UM, FOR, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER 4TH. YES. THERE'S A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY, UH, COMMISSIONER ORTIZ. DO A SECOND. ALRIGHT. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BARTOS. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AND THEN, AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE ABSTENTIONS. ALRIGHT. UM, [Director’s Report  ] DO WE HAVE A DIRECTOR'S REPORT? NO, SIR. JUST, UH, KIND OF BE THINKING ABOUT P TAC APPOINTMENTS. AND REMEMBER THE LARGE AREA REZONING IS COMING BACK OKAY. FOR THE 18TH. ALL RIGHT, WELL WITH THAT I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING AT THREE 15. GOOD JOB EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.