* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] [00:00:04] I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5TH, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. FISH HERE. SAVINA. HERE. VELASQUEZ IS ABSENT. MORALES IS ABSENT. MA CARPENTER HERE. GRO HERE. ANTE HERE. L IS ABSENT. AND FETZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. GET SOMEBODY FROM INTERPRETIVE SERVICES. HEY, LET'S PROCEED. OKAY. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE ME MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANT'S ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. NO ANNOUNCEMENTS TODAY. SO I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UM, WE HAVE OUR ITEMS TODAY ON THE, UH, SCREEN. AS YOU CAN SEE, NO CHANGES, WHICH IS UNUSUAL. USUALLY WE HAVE A FEW POSTPONEMENTS. UM, SO AT THIS TIME WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA. UM, THERE ARE SIX OF THEM. UM, ACTUALLY BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, SPEAKERS, UH, SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL ITEMS. SO FIRST LET'S HEAR FROM DO WE HAVE ANY MEETING MINUTES TO APPROVE TODAY? DID WE HAVE THEM? DO WE HAVE [Approval of Minutes] YEAH, SO MINUTES FROM, UH, THE PREVIOUS MEETING. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APP APPRO APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED OF THE MEETING. MINUTES FOR LAST MEETING. SEPTEMBER 21ST. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINA. AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. AND FED. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO CITIZENS BE HEARD. WE HAVE BILLY LAMBERT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M BILLY LAMBERT. I'M A CITIZEN AND I WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION. UH, PROBABLY IN THE YEAR, UH, 2020, WE WERE, UH, NOTIFIED ABOUT SOME WORK THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. UH, THERE WAS A SMALL PARK THERE AND WE WERE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS A PARK OR A MEDIAN. UM, THE CITY DECLARED IT WAS A MEDIAN OR TRIED TO COMMIT. IT WAS A MEDIAN. AND I USED WITH THE HELP OF MY FRIENDS HERE AT THE COMMISSION. [00:05:01] AND THEN YOU GUYS APPROVED THAT IT BECOME A LANDMARK. IT WAS BUILT IN 19, APPROXIMATELY 1920, AND IT WAS PART OF THE GREEN MOVEMENT IN SAN ANTONIO. THIS IS THE ONLY GREEN STRIP ON FREDERICKSBURG ROAD. YOU GUYS APPROVED FOR IT TO BECOME A LANDMARK. UH, SINCE THEN, IT HAS BEEN AN UPHILL BATTLE TO DEAL WITH THE CITY. THE CITY IS THE PERSON WHO IS CONDUCTING THE PLANS, CONDUCTING THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO VIEW THIS PARK AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. IT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THEY'RE OPERATING WITHOUT TREE PLANS. THEY'RE OPERATING WITHOUT THE PROPER GUIDELINES THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO USE. IT'S BEEN UP TO THE CITIZENS TO GO OUT IN THE STREET AND ARGUE WITH CONTRACTORS. IT IS UP TO THE CITIZENS TO GO AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AS THEY ARE PURPOSELY DESTROYING TREES. THERE WAS NO TREE PRESERVATION PLAN. WE HAD TO CALL TO GET THEM TO PROTECT THE TREES. AND THE DAY AFTER THAT, THEY ACCIDENTALLY DROVE OVER THEIR ROOTS AND NOW THE CITY ARBORIST SAYS THE TREES HAVE TO BE REMOVED. AFTER WE COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT, CITY ARBORIST IS TRYING TO SAY, WELL, THE LARGE TREE CAN STAY, NEVERMIND THAT THE TOP OF THE TREE IS ALREADY TURNING BROWN FROM IT DYING. SO I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN'T DO MUCH AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WORK ON A LOT OF PROJECTS WHERE YOUR HANDS ARE TIED, BUT H G R C IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BOARDS IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY FORM OF DEMOCRACY IN THIS CITY. EVERYONE ELSE IS REPRESENTED BY SOMEONE ELSE, BUT IN THIS, UH, BEAUTIFUL PLACE, PEOPLE CAN COME, THEY CAN TALK. AND OFTEN YOU GUYS SEND PEOPLE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND EVERY TIME YOU SEND SOMEONE BACK, THE PROJECT COMES BACK BETTER. EVERY TIME YOU ASK FOR SOMEONE TO RE-LOOK AT SOMETHING, IT COMES BACK BETTER. AND HALF THE TIME YOU GUYS ARE OVERRULED. I SHOULDN'T SAY HALF TIME, BUT ON THINGS THAT ARE VERY SPECIAL, SOMETIMES HIGHER UP IN THE CITY. THEY ASK YOU TO KIND OF LOOK THE OTHER WAY THAT WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA FOLLOW YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. 'CAUSE IT'S ALL YOU CAN DO. YOU CAN PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO HOW THINGS ARE GONNA BE DONE. THANK YOU. CAN YOU, I'LL WRAP THIS UP VERY QUICKLY. SO WHAT IS I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS WE'RE WORKING BY OURSELVES. THE COMMISSION HASN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD INQUIRE WHY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JENNIFER MELDY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JENNIFER F FRANCE MELDY. I'M A LANDSCAPE OH, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JENNIFER FRANCE MELDY. I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN SAN ANTONIO. I'M ALSO SPEAKING ABOUT LIZ DAVIES GREEN SPACE. UH, THIS PROJECT IS A BOND PROJECT THAT DID COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IN FEBRUARY OF 2021. AT WHICH POINT YOU HAD THE COMMENTS THAT IT NEEDED TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE AND SITE PLAN FOR LIZ DAVIES PARK AND THEN THAT NEEDED TO BE APPROVED. O H P HAS STATED THAT IT IS A DESK APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. UM, STARTING IN FALL OF LAST YEAR WITH THE HELP OF DISTRICT ONE OFFICE, OUR OFFICE AS WELL AS THE BEACON HILL ASSOCIATION NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, ENTERED INTO, WELL, WE STARTED TALKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT ABOUT THIS AND THE DESIGN FOR THE PARK. THROUGH THAT, WHAT OUR GOAL WAS IS TO INCREASE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE PARK, TO THE BUSINESSES SURROUNDING IT, AS WELL AS NOT CREATE ANY SORT OF DESIGN IMPLEMENT IMPEDIMENT FOR THE FUTURE. AND SO WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS JUST NOT INHIBIT ANYTHING FOR THE FUTURE THAT MIGHT BE DESIGNED FOR THIS PARK. WE HAVE MANAGED TO GET MORE ACCESSIBILITY AND IT DID INCREASE SOME OF THE GREEN SPACES AS WELL AS SOME PLANTING ISLANDS. THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE DID MENTION THAT THERE ARE TREES AS WELL AS STRUCTURES THAT ARE EXISTING IN THE PARK THAT WE WERE CONCERNED WERE NOT SHOWING UP ON THEIR PLANS AND MIGHT BE IMPEDED OR MIGHT HARMED BY THE CONSTRUCTION. THAT HAS HAPPENED. AGAIN, AS WILLIE STATED BEFORE ME, THE TREES WERE REMOVED. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN THE PHOTOS HERE, UH, SEVERAL OF THEM ARE REMOVED ALREADY. THERE'S SOME OF 'EM THAT THE CITY ARBORIST CAME OUT AND REVIEWED PRIOR TO THE CURRENT, UH, WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS. AFTER THEY CAME OUT AND REVIEWED AND RECOMMENDED TWO TREES BE REMOVED AND MEDIATED, UH, OR MITIGATION FOR THOSE, THEY HAVE DONE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION AROUND THE PARK. UH, AND WE FEAR THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL TREES THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED. WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE IS FOR SOME OVERSIGHT BY O H P, BECAUSE AS BILLY MENTIONED, WE HAVE HAD TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT CALL P W D ON EVERYTHING AND MENTION THIS TO THEM. UH, AND WE WOULD LIKE FOR THOSE TREES THAT HAVE AN INHERENT VALUE, WE WOULD LIKE FOR THAT VALUE TO COME BACK INTO LIZ DAVIES PARK INSTEAD OF BEING USED [00:10:01] AS MITIGATION FOR OTHER PARTS OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] OKAY. MOVING FORWARD TO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UH, WE HAVE A FEW VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM ONE AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAY THIS NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. FOLLOWING OUR MEETING WITH THE ALAMO TRUST, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO REMAINS CONCERNED REGARDING THE PROPOSAL TO RECONSTRUCT THE LYNETTE AND SOUTHGATE AND ALAMO PLAZA. FIRST, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT ALL STATE, FEDERAL, AND LOCAL LAWS FOR CULTURAL RESOURCES BE FOLLOWED PRECISELY SINCE THE SITE CARRIES ALL THREE DESIGNATIONS. THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION MUST REVIEW AS STATED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THIS IS A RECORDED ARCHEOLOGICAL SITE THAT INCLUDES REMAINS OF THE ORIGINAL SOUTH GATE, WHICH EXISTED IN SOME FORM FOR NEARLY A CENTURY AND A HALF. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED GOOD PRACTICE TO BUILD STRUCTURES ON TOP OF SIGNIFICANT ARCHEOLOGICAL REMAINS. IT WOULD BE BETTER TO CREATE AN INTERPRETIVE ELEMENT AT GROUND LEVEL SHOULD THESE REGULATORY BARRIERS BE OVERCOME. WE WOULD STILL FIND THE SCALE AND HEIGHT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TOO LARGE AND DISRUPTIVE FOR THE PLAZA. IT DISTRACTS FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILDINGS AND RISK BEING MISTAKEN. ITS HISTORIC. THE ALAMO, ALONG WITH THE OTHER FOUR SAN ANTONIO MISSIONS WAS INSCRIBED AS A WORLD HERITAGE SITE DUE TO ITS MISSION, HISTORY AND THE CURRENT PLAN. A LYNETTE THAT EXISTED FOR TWO YEARS DURING A LATTER PERIOD PREDOMINATES. MOREOVER, THE HEIGHT, THE ISSUES OF HEIGHT AND SCALE RAISED ABOVE ARE ALSO WORLD HERITAGE CONCERNS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. HI, MY NAME IS CINDY GASKELL. I LIVE IN MAGNOLIA, TEXAS. I'M ADDRESSING ITEM NUMBER ONE AT THE ADDRESS OF 300 ALAMO PLAZA REGARDING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE MISSION GATE AND LUNETTE. THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROPOSAL. NUMBER ONE, IT VIOLATES THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S DESIGN STANDARDS. AND NUMBER TWO, THIS INHIBITS THE USE OF ALAMO PLAZAS IN OPEN SPACE PER THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. WHEN THE DEED TRANSFER FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IN 1871, THE RENDERING OF THIS MASSIVE LOOKING GATE IS HIDEOUS. NOT ONLY IS IT UGLY, BUT IT SURELY DOES NOT MEET THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS. THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF A POOR DESIGN. THE SCALE SEEMS OFF. THE MATERIALS APPEAR INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ALAMO, AND A PRIOR RENDERING OF THE SOUTHGATE WAS PROVIDED DURING THE TIME YOU ALL WANTED TO RELOCATE THE INETA, WHICH I WILL EMAIL THIS TO YOU. WHY IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE GATE SO INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT FROM THE VERSION PROPOSED BEFORE? WHAT HISTORIC EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT THE GATE LOOKS LIKE THIS, APPLYING THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, WHICH IS YOUR JOB AS AN H D R C MEMBER. YOU SHOULD REALIZE THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED BECAUSE OF ITS SCALE, UNKNOWN MATERIALS AND LACK OF HISTORIC REPRESENTATION. REGARDING NUMBER TWO, WHEN BISHOP DEPUE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TRANSFERRED THE LAND TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE DEED HAD A STIPULATION OR RESTRICTION THAT THE PLAZAS BE JOINED INTO ONE ALAMO PLAZA, WHICH COULD, WHICH WOULD ALWAYS BE RESTRICTED TO PUBLIC USE OF AN OPEN SPACE. THE CITY OF GATE WOULD DIVIDE THE SPACE AND DENIGRATE THE IDEA OF AN OPEN SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS DEED, WHICH CAN BE FOUND IN THE BEXAR COUNTY DEEDED RECORDS FROM 1871 WILL ALSO BE SUBMITTED TO YOU. PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS HIDEOUS PROPOSAL FOR WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE ALAMO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A NICE DAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS MARY . I LIVE AT THREE 18 PURITA. I'VE BEEN IN SAN ANTONIO 41 YEARS. I WORKED ON THE PLAZA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR 42 YEARS IN SAN ANTONIO. I AM APPALLED AT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALAMO PLAZA. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF REMARKABLY TALENTED, CLASSICALLY TRAINED TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTS IN SAN ANTONIO, AND YET HERE WE ARE DOING A B-MOVIE SET DESIGN ON OUR PLAZA, ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST CLASSICAL PLAZAS IN THE NATION. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO OUR PLAZA. IT DOESN'T JUST BELONG TO THE TOURISTS, IT BELONGS TO THE CITIZENS OF BEXAR COUNTY. AND THIS IS WHAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'M APPALLED AND I'M SADDENED. PLEASE RECONSIDER. HELLO, MY IS CHARISMA VIAL AND I'M CALLING FROM HELOTES, TEXAS. UM, I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO CASE, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 414. [00:15:01] IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE DRAWINGS FOR ALAMO PLAZA. UM, I WANTED TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, A REMINDER THAT, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE SENATE HALF STILL STANDS IS BECAUSE NOT ALL THE I'S WERE DOTTED AND THE T'S WERE CROSSED. UM, IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE, UH, GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU THAT MAYBE NOT ALL ITEMS HAVE BEEN CHECKED. UM, ONE BEING THE, UM, THE FACT THAT IT VIOLATES THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S DESIGN STANDARDS. UM, AND IT ALSO INHIBITS THE USE OF ALAMO PLAZA AS AN OPEN SPACE PER THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS. UM, SO IF YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER THAT BEFORE GIVING ANY BLANKET OKAYS OR STATEMENTS. UM, ALSO IS THIS, UM, ARE, ARE ALL THE DESIGN ITEMS INCLUDED? UM, WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS? ARE THEY, ARE THEY, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS? UM, SO AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE GOING THROUGH THIS. UM, AND ALSO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO WAS NO LONGER INVOLVED WITH THE, UM, DECISIONS AS PER THE ALAMO. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS UP TO THE STATE AND THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE. SO AGAIN, BEFORE DECISIONS ARE MADE, MAKE SURE ALL YOUR I'S ARE DOTTED AND YOUR T'S ARE CROSSED, OR YOU MAY END UP WITH ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE YOU WANTED TO MOVE THE SENATE HALF AND ENDS UP THAT IT, THAT IT COULD NOT BE MOVED, UH, DUE TO THE, UM, PROTECTION FROM THE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARKS. SO, UH, THAT IS MY STATEMENT. AGAIN, MY NAME IS CHARISMA URIEL AND I'M FROM HELOTES, TEXAS. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH FOUR 14 FOR ALAMO PLAZA. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR ITEM THREE, BIANCA MALDONADO. OH, I DON'T NEED THAT ONE. NOT THAT ONE. SORRY. 2014 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTOR DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND WE APPRECIATE THE OWNER WHO IS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THIS DUPLEX. WE ASK H D R C TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE FENESTRATION PATTERN FOR 2014 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY FOR THE REAR AXIS FOR ONE OF THE DUPLEX UNITS. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A SINGLE DOOR ENTRY BE CONSIDERED PERPENDICULAR TO THE PROPOSED REAR DOUBLE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE BEING SOUGHT TO BE REMOVED. UM, AND THIS WOULD CREATE THAT SINGLE DOOR ENTRY ON THE INTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S ALL OUR SPEAKERS ON ITEMS ON CONSENT. YES, I WILL BE RECUSING ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONERS WISH TO DRAW FOR, UH, INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I SUPPOSE I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER. UM, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE COMMISSION CAN REQUEST A D R C SITE VISIT FOR THE LIZ DAVIES GREEN SPACE THAT WE HEARD ABOUT AT THE TOP OF THE COMMENTS? STEPH? YES, THERE'S NOT. IF IT IS POSSIBLE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO, THERE'S NO ACTION RANGE. YEAH, THERE'S NO ACTION TO TAKE, THERE'S NO ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR IT, BUT WE CAN SURE. YOU'VE JUST REQUESTED. SO, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. GETTING BACK TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSENT? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL CASE NUMBER ONE. OKAY. CASE NUMBER ONE. ANY OTHER ITEMS I'D LIKE TO PULL CASE NUMBER FOUR. CASE NUMBER FOUR, SORRY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL CASE NUMBER THREE, PLEASE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I MOVE THAT THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA BE, UH, APPROVED. AND IS THAT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS? CORRECT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND [00:20:01] ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH, I AYE. SAVINA AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. ZER RECUSED. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 6 0 3 BARBIE 1105 AND 1107 GUADALUPE AND 5 21 EAST DEWEY. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. SO WE'LL HEAR ITEM ONE. NOW, EDWARD, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND READ THAT INTO THE RECORD AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 1 4 300 ALAMO PLAZA. THE APPLICANT ALAMO TRUST INCORPORATED IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN INTERPRETATION OF THE MIS MISSION GATE IN LUNETTE IN ALAMO PLAZA AS PART OF THE ALAMO PLAN. AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE LUNETTE HAS PROPOSED AS A TEMPORARY INSTALLATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE, THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DETAILS BE DEVELOPED TO FURTHER ARTICULATE THE TWO DISTINCT PERIODS OF TIME IN WHICH THE SOUTHGATE AND LUNETTE WERE CONSTRUCTED BASED ON FINDING D TWO, THAT THE, THAT THE FINAL, THAT A FINAL MATERIAL PALLET OR VISUAL MOCKUP BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDING E THREE. THAT ALL INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS AND SIGNAGE SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IN LINE WITH THE ALAMO CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S VISION AND GUIDANCE PRINCIPLES FOR THE ALAMO PLAN. BASED ON FINDING F AND FOR ARCHEOLOGY, ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS ARE REQUIRED. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. MOREOVER, THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH THE TEXAS ANTIQUITIES CODE AND HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE OF TEXAS. THE ARCHEOLOGY CONSULTANT SHALL SUBMIT THE SCOPE OF WORK TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF FIELD EFFORTS. ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATIONS ON CITY OF SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY AND RIGHT OF WAY SHALL BE COORDINATED WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION THROUGHOUT THE INSTRUCTION PROJECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE THE ALAMO TRUST REPRESENTED FIRST CITY ATTORNEY. GOOD AFTERNOON, VICE CHAIR. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, VICE CHAIR AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS. UH, MY NAME IS ANDY SEGOVIA. I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR SAN ANTONIO. UH, BUT I'M HERE AS MY, IN MY CAPACITY AS A MEMBER OF THE ALAMO MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. UM, AND JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THE ALAMO MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, TWO FROM THE ALAMO TRUST, AND TWO FROM THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. UH, I'M VERY PROUD TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY WITH COUNCILWOMAN REBECCA VRAN, WHO UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. UH, BUT, UH, I AM, UH, WHO IS HERE TODAY IS LORI HOUSTON, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, WHO'S BEEN HEADING, UH, THE ALAMO EFFORT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. UM, YOU'RE GONNA REVIEW SHORTLY, UH, OR YOU'RE GONNA BE PRESENTED THE DESIGN FOR THE SOUTH MISSION GATE AND THE TEMPORARY LUNETTE, THE DESIGN TEAM LED BY PATRICK GALLAGHER, WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM SHORTLY. UH, REVIEWED ALL AVAILABLE ARCHIVAL EVIDENCE AND WORK WITH HISTORIANS TO REVIEW THE DESIGN, THE PLACEMENT, THE SCALE AND MATERIALS FOR THE PROPOSED MISSION GATE AND THE TEMPORARY LUNETTE. THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE AND ALAMO ADVISORY COMMITTEE WERE INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS. AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS IN WHICH WE DISCUSSED DIFFERENT DESIGN ELEMENTS. UH, AND THOSE WERE, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, ROBUST AND, BUT VERY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS. UH, MEMBERS OF BOTH THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, UH, WERE BRIEFED BOTH AT THEIR QUARTERLY MEETINGS AND THEN WE'RE INVITED TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF THE H D R C. UH, COMMENTS MADE BY THE, UH, ALAMO, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE, TRI CHAIRS, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THAT COMMITTEE WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL DESIGN. AND SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE HERE TODAY WAS A VERY MUCH AN ITERATIVE PROCESS. UH, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE DESIGN IMPROVED WITH EACH DISCUSSION, UM, AND THAT, UH, AND THAT WE HAVE A, A GOOD DESIGN. AS WE DISCUSSED THE DESIGN, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS FROM ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS, UH, AN EMPHASIS IT HOLISTICALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO FOR THE ENTIRE PLAZA, UH, THAT IT MET THE CITY'S VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. UH, AND WE FEEL THAT IT DOES, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND US PARTICIPATING IN THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE TO ENSURE THAT AS WE PROGRESS AND IMPLEMENT THE ALAMO PLAN, WE [00:25:01] CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, AS OUR LANDMARKS AND MAKE SURE WE ADHERE TO THEM. SO WITH THAT, WE'LL, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PATRICK GALLAGHER OF GALLAGHER AND ASSOCIATES, UH, WHO LED THE DESIGN TEAM. AND, UH, HE'LL PRESENT THE DESIGN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ANDY. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. UM, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US THE TIME AND PATIENCE TO BRING THIS CONCEPT FORWARD, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AS ANDY HAD MENTIONED, THE PROCESS OF PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAMMING FOR THE STATE HAS GONE THROUGH A SERIES OF VERY ARDUOUS INTERNAL MEETINGS WITH HISTORIANS AND ARCHEOLOGISTS TO DEFINE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR A REPRESENTATION OF THE MISSION GATE AND TEMPORARY LUNETTE INSTALLATION. IT IS THE MISSION OF THE A T I OF THE ALAMO TRUST TO ENRICH FOR ITS VISITORS THE INTERPRETATION AND THE NARRATIVE OF THE HISTORICAL VOICE WHEN THEY'RE ON THE SITE AND EXPLORING THE, BOTH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, THE PROPOSED NEW VISITOR CENTER, BUT ALSO THE PLAZA AND THE LOCATION FOR THE MISSION GATE AND WALLS THEMSELVES. THAT SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING IS PART OF AN EDUCATIONAL MANDATE THAT HAS BEEN A COMMITMENT FROM THE A T I TO ENHANCE VISITOR ENGAGEMENT AND KNOWLEDGE AS THEY NAVIGATE THEIR WAY AROUND THE SITE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AS PART OF THE OVERALL INTERPRETIVE MASTER PLAN FOR THE ALAMO TRUST, WE HAVE DIVIDED THE ENTIRE CAMPUS INTO A SERIES OF DIFFERENT ZONES OR DISTRICTS THAT WILL EACH HAVE OF THEIR OWN INTERPRETIVE VOICE OR STORYTELLING THAT WILL HELP THE VISITORS UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE EVENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN EACH LOCATION, BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED AND OCCUPIED THIS SITE, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR VISITORS UNDERSTANDING THE 300 YEAR HISTORY OF THIS VERY COMPLEX SITE AND THE UNIQUE VOICES OF THE INDIVIDUAL CULTURAL GROUPS WHO HAVE BOTH LIVED HERE AND WHO HAVE BEEN A PART OF DEFINING THE LONGER HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. SO EACH OF THESE DISTRICTS HAVE HAD, HAS BEEN OVERLAID WITH A SERIES OF PARTICULAR INTERPRETIVE VOICES THAT VISITORS WILL ENGAGE WITH THROUGH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES. SOME OF THAT WILL BE EXTERIOR EXHIBITRY. SOME OF THAT WILL BE ON A DIGITAL APPLICATE APPLICATION THAT VISITORS CAN CARRY ON THEIR PHONES. SOME OF IT WILL BE IN THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM EXHIBITION SPACE IN THE NEW COLLECTIONS, BUILDING AND INTERPRETATION IN THE LONG BARRACKS IN THE CHURCH AS WELL. BUT THE SITE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT NARRATIVE, GETTING OUR VISITORS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BREADTH AND DEPTH OF THE MISSION AND WHERE THE FOUR WALLS WERE AND ALL THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS THAT OCCUPIED IN AND AROUND THE SITE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF UNDERSTANDING THIS LARGE COMPLEX HISTORICAL NARRATIVE. NEXT SLIDE. WE'VE BROKEN UP OUR DEFINITIONS OF THE NARRATIVE INTO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. SO THERE IS A CHRONOLOGICAL APPROACH TO THE INTERPRETATION THAT WILL HAPPEN BOTH ON THE SITE AND AROUND THE SITE, AS WELL AS IN THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM. NEXT SLIDE. IN EACH OF THE ZONES THAT WERE INDICATED IN THE FIRST PLAN, WE THEN LOOK AT THE OVERLAY OF THE POINTS OF EMPHASIS FOR INTERPRETATION. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN THE COLOR CODED ZONES, IS HOW WE WILL BE INTERPRETING EACH OF THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS WITH ENHANCED ENGAGEMENT FOR OUR VISITORS. AND I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT, UH, IN AND AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE, ALL THIS INTERPRETATION WILL BE PART OF THE FREE NARRATIVE OF EXPLORING AND ENGAGING ON SITE. NEXT SLIDE. SO, GREAT WORK IS GOING INTO THE HISTORICAL RESEARCH AND THE BUILDING OF THE, THESE NARRATIVES AND DETERMINING THE MOST APPROPRIATE INTERPRETIVE TOOLS THAT WILL BEGIN TO UNFOLD OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF MONTHS AND YEARS TO COME. THE NEW PROPOSED MISSION GATE WILL BE ONE OF THOSE FIRST ZONES OF INTERPRETATION. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. [00:30:02] THIS OVERLAY WILL BE AN ONGOING PART OF HOW WE ENHANCE AND ENGAGE OUR VISITORS THROUGHOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THE WORK THAT HAPPENS IN THE YEARS TO COME IN AND AROUND THE ALAMO SITE. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS SLIDE IN RED IS THE INDICATION OF THE HISTORICAL DEFINITION OF THE MISSION. WALLS, AS YOU CAN SEE OFF TO YOUR LEFT IN BLACK, IS AN OVERLAY FOR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE, THE INTERPRETATION OF THE MISSION GATE AND THE LUNETTE JUST BELOW THAT. ALSO IN BLACK IS THE PALISADE INSTALLATION, WHICH IS ON SITE NOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE LOCATION OF THE WALLS WILL RUN THROUGH THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM. THAT'LL BE PART OF A VERY IMPORTANT NARRATIVE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE NEW MUSEUM AND VISITOR CENTER. AND THEN THE DEFINITIONS AS IT RUNS ACROSS HOUSTON STREET, AROUND TO WHERE THE NORTH GATE WAS. AND ULTIMATELY, THERE WILL BE A REPRESENTATION OF THE NORTH GATE AS WELL TO HELP VISITORS UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITION OF WHAT THE PLAZA REALLY WAS WHEN IT WAS WITHIN THE CONTAINED WALLS OF THE MISSION. IT'S ALSO THE GOAL OF A T I AS WELL AS THE T H C TO ENHANCE THE REVERENCE OF THIS SITE. SO BY DE MARKING THE MISSION GATE, WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING THE VISITORS INTO A WHOLE NEW SENSE OF REVERENCE AND ENGAGEMENT AND STORYTELLING ON THE SITE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A PLANNED VIEW OF THE PROPOSED GATE AND LUNETTE, AND WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS THAT BETTER ILLUSTRATE WHAT THE DIMENSIONAL REPRESENTATION WILL BE. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S A VIEW COMING UP THE PROMENADE. YOU CAN SEE THE LU, YOU CAN SEE THE CAF IN THE FAR BACK OF THE RENDERING AND THE PROPOSED MISSION GATE REPRESENTATION AND THE LUNETTE. THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE TO DETERMINE THIS LOCATION IS BASED ON ARCHEOLOGICAL RESEARCH, HISTORICAL DRAWINGS AND MAPS, AS WELL AS THE GUIDANCE OF A NUMBER OF HISTORIANS TO VERIFY NOT ONLY THE LOCATION, BUT THE MATERIALS. THE MATERIALITY OF THE GATE WILL BE BEST REPRESENTED FROM THE ARCHEOLOGICAL WORK THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY ON THE SITE. IT WILL BE A STONE AND PLASTER REPRESENTATION, AND IT IS A REPRESENTATION. WE'RE NOT INTENDING FOR THIS TO BE A RECREATION. WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE OUR VISITORS UNDERSTAND THAT MOMENT OF STEPPING INTO THE FORT AND REALLY REPRESENTING THE, THE SOUTH BOUNDARIES OF THE PLAZA ITSELF. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S A, HERE'S A VIEW OFF TO YOUR LEFT FROM WHERE YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY IN, IN THE PREVIOUS RENDERING. THE CHURCH WILL BE OFF TO YOUR RIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE THAT VISITORS WILL BE ABLE TO PASS THROUGH THIS LUNETTE AND THROUGH THE GATE. THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL BARRIERS IN THE FORM OF GATES OR DOORS AS WE BELIEVE. THERE NEVER WAS A, A PHYSICAL GATE IN THE MISSION GATE ITSELF. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, AT ONE TIME A WOODEN DOOR, BUT WE WILL NOT BE REPRESENTING THAT IN THIS CONSTRUCTION. THE GATE ITSELF IS OPEN NORTH, SOUTH, AND EAST AND WEST. SO PASSAGE THROUGH AS VISITORS NAVIGATE THE SITE WILL BE FREE AND, AND EASY FOR BOTH INTERPRETATION BY OUR LIVE REENACTORS, AS WELL AS A WHOLE HOST OF INTERPRETIVE MATERIALS THAT WILL BE RESIDENT WITHIN THE GATE AND WITHIN THE LUNETTE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE CHURCH SIDE. SO IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE CHURCH, YOU CAN SEE THE PASSAGE THROUGH THE GATE. REPRESENTATION ITSELF IS VERY OPEN AND FREE. FLOWING ON THE WALLS WILL BE INTERPRETIVE EXHIBIT ELEMENTS THAT WILL HELP VISITORS TO UNDERSTAND WHO BUILT THE GATE, HOW IT WAS BUILT, WHERE THE MATERIALS CAME FROM, THE EVOLUTION OF ITS LIFE AS IT EXISTED IN AND AROUND THE MISSION ITSELF. AT ONE TIME, THIS PART OF THE GATE WAS ACTUALLY USED AS A KITCHEN. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW PEOPLE LIVED ON THIS SITE AND DURING THE DIFFERENT TIMES OF OCCUPATION AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PEOPLES WHO POPULATED THE MISSION STRUCTURES THEMSELVES. AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE LUNETTE, WHO CREATED THE LUNETTE, THE MATERIALS THAT IT WAS BUILT OUT OF, AND WHAT IT REPRESENTED TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IN FRONT OF THE GATE. NEXT SLIDE. YOU'RE NOW STANDING ON THE PLAZA SIDE. LOOKING [00:35:01] BACK THROUGH THE PROPOSED GATE OFF THE LEFT, THERE ARE A SERIES OF PANELS THAT ARE NOW RESIDENT IN THE GARDEN. THEY'RE A TIMELINE OF THE ALAMO. THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE GARDEN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE GARDEN'S GOING TO SEE SOME, UH, REWORK OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS. SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE PANELS OUT AND MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR INTERPRETATION HERE ON THE EDGE OF THE PLAZA. SO THEY'LL BE REPRESENTED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GATE HERE. AND YOU'RE ON THE PLAZA SIDE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH AND DOWN TO THE SOUTH AND OFF TO THE RIGHT, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THIS GATE HAS BEEN PULLED BACK SO THAT THIS IS AN OPEN PLAZA ACCESS. THE PARADE ROUTE IS DEFINED HERE SO THAT THE PARADE WILL BE ABLE TO PASS BY THE GATE WITHOUT ANY OBSTRUCTION. AND THE FREE FLOW OF VISITORS COMING UP FROM THE SOUTH WILL NOT BE OBSTRUCTED AS WELL, SO THAT THEY CAN COME ONTO THE PLAZA AND ARE NOT FORCED TO MOVE THROUGH THE GATE. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S A VIEW FROM CLOSE TO THE CORNER OF THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM. FOR THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, IT'S NEAR THE LOCATION OF THE, THE TEMPORARY LOCATION OF THE 18 POUNDER RIGHT NOW. SO YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A, A VERY WIDE OPEN PASSAGEWAY AND CIRCULATION WILL BE MANAGED VERY EASILY, EVEN WITH THE LARGEST CROWDS. AND FOR EVENTS, WE THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF VISITORS HAVING THAT SENSE OF CONTEXTUAL UNDERSTANDING. WHERE WERE THE WALLS THEMSELVES AND HOW DID THIS MISSION REPRESENT ITSELF IN AND AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE. THERE WILL BE REPRESENT REPRESENTATION IN THE HORIZONTAL SERVICES AS WELL, SO THAT AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE WALLS CONTINUED AND THAT WILL MOVE THEN IN AND THROUGH THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM. NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW, GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE INSIDE OF THE LUNETTE IN ITS DIMENSION WILL FEEL LIKE. THERE WILL BE INTERPRETIVE PANELS INSIDE THE LUNETTE AS WELL. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE LANDSCAPE CHANGES REPRESENT WHAT WAS AN EXCAVATION AROUND THE LUNETTE. JUST PRIOR TO THE BATTLE, THERE WAS A VERY DEEP EXCAVATION TO HELP CREATE THE LUNETTE ITSELF, AND THAT WILL BE REPRESENTED IN INTERPRETED INSIDE THE LUNETTE. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, A LONG VIEW OFF TO THE RIGHT, IF YOU, YOU'LL SEE THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM IN THE BACKGROUND AND SEE THAT THIS WILL BE A, A, AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR EDUCATION WITH OUR COSTUMED INTERPRETERS AND SCHOOL GROUPS, AND BE PART OF THE BROADER MOVEMENT BY THE A T I TO REALLY ENHANCE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING IN AND AROUND THE SITE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A VIEW INSIDE THE LUNETTE. THE LUNETTE IS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. SO WE'LL HAVE AN APPROXIMATELY THREE YEAR LIFESPAN OUT ON THE SITE. AND THE MATERIALS ARE BEST REPRESENTED FROM WHAT WAS DISCOVERED IN SOME PREVIOUS ARCHEOLOGY ON SITE. NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, ANOTHER AERIAL VIEW. LOOKING DOWN, WE THINK THE OPENNESS AND CHARACTER OF THIS WILL REALLY, REALLY HELP ENHANCE THE, FOR THE VISITORS, THEIR BROADER SENSE OF STORYTELLING, UH, ABOUT THE SITE AND THE ALAMO ITSELF. NEXT SLIDE. A CLOSE IN VIEW. THE EDGES OF THE GATE ON BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDES WILL HAVE EXPOSED STONES SO VISITORS WILL UNDERSTAND HOW THIS GATE WAS BUILT AND THE MATERIALS FROM THIS REGION, AGAIN, ALL RESEARCHED BY OUR ARCHEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL TEAMS SO THAT WE'RE REPRESENTING THE, TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE WHAT THE MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL GATE WERE. NEXT SLIDE, A VIEW FOR A VISITORS ARE WALKING UP TO THE GATE AND OFF TO THE RIGHT WILL BE OUR INTERPRETIVE AREA. NEXT SLIDE. HERE'S A VIEW IN BETWEEN THE WALLS OF THE GATE WHERE YOU CAN SEE REPRESENTED THE EXHIBITION PANELS AND THE POTENTIAL OF SOME THREE-DIMENSIONAL MODEL REPRESENTATIONS OF WHAT THE ENTIRE FORT ONCE WAS. AGAIN, IT'S CRITICAL FOR US TO BE SURE THAT OUR, OUR VISITORS HAVE A VERY CLEAR SENSE OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS SITE SUPPORTED ALL THE DIFFERENT CULTURAL GROUPS THAT [00:40:01] OCCUPIED THE SITE OVER THE 300 YEAR HISTORY. NEXT SLIDE, A VIEW COMING BACK OUT OF THE GATE AND DOWN THROUGH THE SOUTH PROMENADE NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN OUR FINAL SHOT HERE IS AN AERIAL WHERE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN AND AROUND THE PLAZA, THE CAF AND THE NEW VISITOR CENTER AND MUSEUM. SO YOU CAN SEE THE BALANCE CONTEXTUALLY, WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SCALE OF THE SITE AND THE NEW SOUTH PLAZA THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE VALERO PLAZA, WHICH WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE LUNETTE ALL WILL BE PART OF MAKING THE V OUR VISITORS MORE INFORMED, MORE ENGAGED, AND WITH A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF THE EVENTS AND THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE MANY, MANY DECADES OF HISTORY. HERE AT THE ALAMO. NEXT SLIDE. AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECTURE TEAM FROM GENSLER ALSO AVAILABLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING OF THIS. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF THE T H C AND RECEIVED A, A NOT ONLY JUST VERY FIRM SUPPORT, BUT VERY MOVING SUPPORT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE A T I IS DOING TO HELP THE VISITORS REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS SITE IN A MORE UNIQUE AND THREE-DIMENSIONAL WAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PREVIOUS OPPORTUNITIES TO MEET WITH YOU AND TO REVIEW THE PROJECT. UM, BEFORE WE DO A MOTION, I'D LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL ASK, UH, STAFF, UH, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO EXCEPTIONS TAKEN BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE, THE FOUR, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN OUR, UM, CASE BOOK HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN, BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATED IMPORTANCE OF THIS TO OUR CITY, OUR STATE AND OUR NATION, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND JUST MAKE SURE IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PRIOR TO, UH, ENTERTAINING A MOTION. MR. GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR, MR. FISH? NO QUESTIONS. THANKS. THANK YOU, MS. SAVINO. UH, YES, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I HAVE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS FOR MR. SEGO. SEGOVIA ON ONE CA UM, ONE ITEM SPECIFICALLY, UM, A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTED ABOUT THE DEEDED RESTRICTION, UM, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE PLAZA TO REMAIN OPEN. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE STATUS OF IT. MM-HMM. , HOW HAS IT BEEN DEALT WITH LEGALLY FROM YOUR STANDPOINT? WELL, WELL, WELL, LEGAL, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. YES. WE HAVE ACTUALLY DEALT WITH THAT WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THE ALAMO PLAN TOGETHER. MM-HMM. , UH, NOT ONLY THIS CURRENT GRANT PLAN, BUT EVEN THE ONE BEFORE. UH, IT'S ONE WHERE WE HAVE VIEWED LEGALLY THAT DEEDED RESTRICTION AND IT, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF THE ALAMO PLAZA. SO, UH, WE CAN MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL, BUT, UH, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MY OTHER QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH THE, UM, UM, STATE OF, LET'S SEE, I'LL START WITH THE WALL. WELL, I'LL START WITH THE WALL. THE WALL IS A PERMANENT ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT, CORRECT? THIS IS, UH, FOR THE ARCHITECT. SORRY, MR. GALLAGHER? YES, IT IS. IT IS. UM, WHAT, WHAT DO WE THINK THE FOUNDATION WILL BE LIKE FOR A PERMANENT PIECE LIKE THIS? CURRENTLY, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES FROM OUR ARCHITECTURAL TEAM AT A T I AND AT T H C, THERE'LL BE NO EXCAVATION BELOW 12 INCHES ON THE SITE. THERE WILL BE A CONCRETE FOOTING POURED FOR STRUCTURAL REINFORCEMENT, BUT ALL OF THAT WILL BE REVIEWED IN THE PROCESS WITH, UH, THE A T I AND WITH THE ARCHEOLOGICAL TEAM FROM THE G L O. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE LUNETTE. UH, THE STAFF'S FINDINGS IN NUMBER D UM, MENTIONS THAT IT'S TEMPORARY. AND, UH, YOU MENTIONED ALSO THAT IT IS TEMPORARY WITH AN APPROXIMATE THREE YEAR LIFESPAN, CORRECT? CORRECT. UM, WOULD YOU BE THE PERSON TO ASK WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YEAR THREE? DOES IT GET REBUILT? DOES IT GET REPAIRED? IS IT RECONSIDERED FOR A DIFFERENT EXHIBIT, DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION? WHAT HAPPENS? UH, THERE IS NO, UH, DEFINITE PLAN AT THE END OF THE THREE YEARS, BUT, UM, I'M SURE THAT ONCE THAT [00:45:01] WE'VE REACHED IT OR GETTING CLOSE TO THAT POINT, UM, YOU'LL BE INFORMED WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE. ALRIGHT. AND, AND I CAN, I CAN ADD TO THAT JUST BRIEFLY. I MEAN, IF, BECAUSE IT IS TEMPORARY AFTER THE PERIOD, UM, IS OVER, IT WOULD EITHER COME BACK FOR RE-REVIEW AND APPROVAL OR SOME ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL WOULD BE MADE. SO IT WOULD ONLY BE APPROVED FOR THE PERIOD, THE TEMPORARY PERIOD. OKAY. AND DOES THAT GET DOCUMENTED IN OUR MOTION? SHOULD WE, HOW CAN WE? YOU, YOU CAN, YES. BUT, BUT YES, IT, IT'S DOCUMENTED AND MONITORED BY STAFF. OKAY. AND I, UM, UM, PERHAPS YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION TOO. IF IT IS TEMPORARY, WHY IS IT INCLUDED WITH THE PERMANENT ASPECTS OF THIS REQUEST? BECAUSE IT'S, I MEAN, MULTIPLE REASONS. ONE, BECAUSE, UM, IT, THEY HAD ALREADY, THEY, THEY KIND OF ARE A PACKAGE DEAL, AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO, TO REVIEW THEM TOGETHER. AND EVEN THOUGH IT IS TEMPORARY, IT IS, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE THERE FOR A MONTH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S TEMPORARY FOR A, A, A DECENT PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY, UM, IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO LOOK AT IT MORE HOLISTICALLY. I CAN SEE THAT I, I CAN SEE THAT THE PAIRING OF THE TWO MAKES SENSE SO THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT TEMPORARY PART WOULD BE. UM, WE HAD A VERY GOOD SITE VISIT OR A, UH, D R C MEETING WITH THE ENTIRE TEAM A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, AND IT WAS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL. REALLY GOOD. IT ALLOWED ME TO LOOK AT THE SPACE VERY DIFFERENTLY. UM, BUT I, UM, I DO THINK THAT THE, THAT LUNETTE PORTION IS PROBABLY THE WEAKEST PART OF IT. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S MEANT TO BE A TEMPORARY EXHIBIT. SO, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WHERE MY RESERVATIONS LIE IS IN THE MATERIALITY, THE INTERPRETATION ALSO PROGRAMMATICALLY HOW IT, IT'S OPERATING AND IT'S SUCH A SMALL, IT'S SUCH A FLEETING ELEMENT IN SUCH A LARGE CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT IT DEFINITELY WANTS TO BE TEMPORARY. SO THAT'S WHY THE TEMPORARY TEMPORARINESS OF IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. UM, AND, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. MR. MOOK. WELL, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THE LUNETTE AS WELL. UM, IN READING THE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND, IT SEEMED LIKE THE LUNETTE AS A FORTIFICATION EXISTED FOR A YEAR OR LESS. IT WAS JUST BUILT, I DON'T KNOW THAT, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME, BUT FOR ONE YEAR'S TIME FOR A BATTLE, AND I'M JUST WONDERING TO HAVE IT UP FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN TO BRING IT DOWN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE HISTORY WOULD BE BETTER SERVED BY HAVING A BRONZE MODEL THAT SHOWED THE FACT THAT HE WAS THERE AND WHAT THE REASONS WERE HAVING FOR HAVING THIS WAS THERE STRICTLY FOR BATTLE FORTIFICATION. SO IT JUST SEEMS ODD TO ME THAT YOU'D HAVE IT UP FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN DOWN, JUST TO CLARIFY, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE END OF THREE YEARS. LIKE IT MAY BE THAT IT IS PROPOSED TO STAY, IT'S ALTERED SOMEWHAT. I MEAN, PART OF IT IS LEARNING LESSONS ABOUT THE MATERIALITY OF IT, HOW IT WORKS. UM, I'LL STOP TALKING SO LORI CAN SAY WHATEVER SHE WANTS TO NO, I AGREE. PART OF IT IS TO UNDERSTAND THE MATERIALITY OF IT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD WAS A CONCERN OF THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. BUT THIS LUNETTE FEATURE HAS A, IT HAS A VERY INTERESTING STORY. IT ACTUALLY WAS BUILT BY THE MEXICAN ARMY AND THEN IT WAS REFORTIFIED BY THE, THE DEFENDERS. AND WE THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT STORY TO, TO TALK ABOUT. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BATTLE. AND SO WE HOPE THAT WE'LL LEARN LESSONS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, REALLY COME BACK TO YOU WITH A FINAL RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT THE MATERIAL SHOULD BE. MAYBE IT WORKS, MAYBE WE WANT TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE DO THINK THAT THE LUNETTE ITSELF IS IMPORTANT TO THE OVERALL STORY OF THE BATTLE. JUST TO THE BATTLE. ALRIGHT. EXACTLY. AND I ALSO WANT STRESS THAT PATRICK GALLAGHER EARLY ON SHOWED THAT WE'RE TELLING ALL THE STORIES. SO YOU'RE ONLY SEEING ONE COMPONENT. WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO TELL DIFFERENT STORIES, WHETHER IT'S ABOUT THE INDIGENOUS, WHETHER IT'S ABOUT THE CEMETERIES, WHETHER IT'S ABOUT THE, THE CIVIL RIGHTS COMPONENT THAT WE PART OF THE MUSEUM. SO YOU, YOU'LL GET TASTE OF THE OTHER STORY. SO YOU'RE ONLY SEEING ONE STORY OF MANY STORIES THAT ARE GONNA BE TOLD ON THIS SITE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. IN, IN ONE OF THE DRCS WE WERE GIVEN, UH, BY A T I AN OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT, AN ENTIRE SITE. AND THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO SH TO UNDERSTAND THIS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF WHAT'S TRYING TO BE [00:50:01] ACCOMPLISHED. INTERPRETIVELY ON THE SITE COMMISSIONER GROUP, I'M SORRY, I SKIPPED OVER YOU. I WAS GOING BY COMMISSION NUMBER. NO, THAT'S OKAY. I, I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. MR. SANES? YES. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH YOUR STEPS OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO WHEN YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT IT, WHEN YOU START MOVING DIRT, RIGHT? PUTTING THE SHOVEL IN AND YOU DIG UP AN ARTIFACT OR YOU DIG UP, UH, HEAVEN REMAINS OR SOMETHING, WHAT IS YOUR PROCESS FROM AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STANDPOINT TO EITHER PRESERVE, EXCAVATE, MOVE, UH, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SATISFY WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS COME ALONG WITH THAT? UM, I'M GONNA ASK, UM, MICHAEL RAY TO RESPOND TO THAT. HE'S OUR ARCHITECT WITH GENSLER, SO HE CAN, HE, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE PERMIT WORK AND ENGINEERING WORK, AND MICHAEL CAN PROBABLY GIVE YOU A MORE CLEAR PERSPECTIVE OF THAT. . HEY, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU. THANKS, MICHAEL. GOOD. YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL, UM, USE THE PROCESS THAT, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD ALL USE IN THAT INSTANCE. UH, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH ATI'S ARCHEOLOGICAL GROUP. UM, AND WE'LL BE, UH, IF, IF IN, IF, IF THAT DOES OCCUR, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT CERTAINLY WOULD, WOULD HALTER THE WORK AND WOULD, UH, DO THE PROPER STEPS. HOWEVER, WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING, AS PATRICK MENTIONED, TO, UM, UH, THROUGH, THROUGH THE CONFINES OF WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING TO DO, WHICH IS NOT DO UNDERNEATH 12 INCHES OF THE EXISTING, UM, NOT DIG UNDERNEATH 12 INCHES OF THE EXISTING, UH, GRADE. AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY, UH, NOT GET INTO ANYTHING THAT WILL BE, UH, APPROPRIATE IN THE SITE. SO THERE HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL STUDIES IN THE PAST, AND SO WE ARE, WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS IN THE GENERAL AREA AND WORKING, UH, HAND IN HAND AND CLOSE WITH, UM, ALAMO TRUST ARCHEOLOGICAL GROUP TO, TO PURSUE THAT APPROPRIATE THING. HOPE THAT HELPS. IS THERE ANY FOLLOW UP I NEED TO HAVE? YEAH, AGAIN, I JUST, THAT DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THAT'S FINE. IF, IF YOU HAVE A PLAN BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, THEN THAT'S OKAY. BUT I'M LOOKING FOR DETAILS, I THINK, 'CAUSE WE, OF THE THINGS WE'RE, WE'RE DOING HERE IS TRYING TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THIS SACRED SITE IS GONNA BE, UH, UH, LOOKED AT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR YOUR SPECIFIC PROCEDURE OF WHAT, WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN YOU FIND AN EPIT, A SWORD OR SOMETHING UNDERNEATH THERE. COMMISSIONER, UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE WORKED ON PROTOCOLS, WE'VE WORKED ON THAT WITH A SUBCOMMITTEE, THE CITIZEN'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ALSO WORKING WITH THE ALAMO TRUST, THOSE PROTOCOLS BE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU. BUT WE WILL BE FOLLOWING ALL STATE, LOCAL, UM, AND FEDERAL LAWS. AND WE ALSO HAVE ENGAGED SEVERAL CONSULTANTS, UM, SO WE CAN SHARE THOSE WITH YOU. AND THEY HAVE BEEN MADE PUBLIC. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM ALAMO TRUST WHO CAN SPEAK, UM, IN MORE DETAIL ABOUT THOSE PROTOCOLS. UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE BEEN VETTED, UM, BY OUR PARTNERS AND WE WILL FOLLOW STATE AND LOCAL AND FEDERAL LAWS. LORI, KATE, KATE IS ON, AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO THAT DIRECTLY. YEAH. THANK YOU LORI, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. SO, UM, BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WE DO ON THE SALE OF, UH, THE ALAMO, UH, PER T H C REGULATIONS, ANYTIME WE FIND A FEATURE OF ANY KIND, UM, THE, THE T H C HAS TO COME IN AND DO AN ANALYSIS AND THEY MAKE A RULING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE FEATURE. DOES IT NEED TO BE EXCAVATED? DOES IT NEED TO BE PERMANENTLY EXPOSED? SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE PORTION OF THE WEST WALL THAT WAS FOUND THROUGH ARCHEOLOGY THAT THE CITY DID A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE RULING WAS IT NEEDED TO REMAIN EXPOSED. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE WINDOW THAT EXISTS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE CROCKETT BUILDING. THE SAME THING HAPPENED WHEN WE DID THE WORK IN FRONT OF THE MANGROVE HOTEL. SO ANYTIME WE FIND ANYTHING, THERE'S A RULING ABOUT WHETHER IT CAN BE REBURIED, WHETHER IT CAN BE EXCAVATED, WHETHER IT NEEDS TO REMAIN EXPOSED. SO WE, WE RELY ON THE T H C TO GUIDE US. UM, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME THAT ANYTHING OF OF SIGNIFICANCE IS FOUND, AND I WANNA STRESS THAT, UM, WE'VE DONE THIS VERY PUBLICLY. I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M VERY PROUD OF IS WE DID DO EXCAVATIONS AND WE DID HAVE OUR ARCHEOLOGISTS COME OUT AND PROVIDE, UM, UM, REPORTS TO THE PUBLIC LETTING 'EM KNOW WHAT WE FOUND. BUT OVERALL, OUR GOAL IS TO NOT FIND ANYTHING OR, OR TO NOT DIG SO DEEP TO FIND SOMETHING. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO, TO AVOID THAT. BUT IF WE DO FIND SOMETHING, WE HAVE PROTOCOLS AND I WANNA STRESS, WE WILL FOLLOW LOCAL, STATE, AND FEDERAL LAWS AND WE WILL ENGAGE CONSULTANTS. AND OUR FIRST CALL WILL BE TO THE T H C. UM, LORI CHRISTIE NICHOLS AT A T I ARCHEOLOGIST [00:55:01] IS ON. AND SHE MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO THAT. CHRISTIE? YES. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO REASSURE YOU THAT WE DO HAVE ARCHEOLOGISTS ON SITE AND WE WILL BE WORKING WITH, UH, EITHER CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS THE CITY ARCHEOLOGISTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THE WORK ON THE SITE, THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THE APPROPRIATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS, UM, WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE CITY AS WELL. AND THEN OF COURSE, THE T H C WILL BE CLOSELY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS HERE. SO, UM, WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME, UM, IDEAS OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN SHOULD WE, UH, ENCOUNTER ANYTHING AT THESE POINTS. UM, AND OUR STAFF HERE WILL BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COORDINATE THOSE WITH THE T H C AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ANY CONSTRUCTION DESIGNS. DOES THAT HELP AT ALL? I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. AND, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT WAS A, A MAJOR CONCERN, THE, THE CENT ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY IN THEIR LETTER AS WELL. AND THEY, THEY VOICED THAT IN THE, IN THE D R C MEETING THAT, UH, THEY ATTENDED WITH, UH, COMMISSIONERS. SO HOPEFULLY THIS, THIS IDEA THAT THERE WILL BE, UH, SIGNIFICANT ARCHEOLOGICAL MONITORING TAKING PLACE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, UH, TEXAS ANTIQUITIES ACT AND OTHER, OTHER, UH, RELEVANT, UH, LEGISLATION WILL, UH, ALLEVIATE THOSE CONCERNS. YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER CONCERNS? NO. THANK YOU RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. UH, WITH THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, UH, DOES, UH, COMMISSIONER WISH TO PUT FORTH A MOTION? I, I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION. I, I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE AND THEN AS WE CAN DISCUSS THIS, I CAN, YOU KNOW, MAKE A SECOND MOTION LATER. BUT I, I MOVE AT THIS TIME FOR A CONTINUANCE AND JUST TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION DIES DUE TO LACK OF SECOND. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES. MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS COMMISSIONER GRU. I'LL SECOND WITH THE, UH, JUST ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE REQUEST SAYS TEMPORARY INSTALLATION JUST FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER SAKE. SO APPROVING IT AS THE REQUEST IS PRESENTED TODAY WITH STAFF. OKAY. AND JUST A QUICK QUESTION, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT FOR THAT TO, UM, BE INCORPORATED OR PERHAPS IF I ASK THE, THE MOTION, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT AS A, THAT NO, IT'S IN THERE. IT'S ALREADY MR. TRUMAN. I IT'S ALREADY THE REQUEST. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S THE REQUEST. IS THAT CORRECT? DISREGARD? YEAH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION. MR. GIBBS? I THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO THE ONLY CONCERNS I HAVE, UM, WERE PRETTY MUCH CLEARED UP WITH, UM, MR. GALLAGHER'S, UM, PRESENTATION, UM, ABOUT THE LUNETTE GATE AND THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THE GATES, UM, FOR THE, UM, IN THE TIMEFRAME NOW OF THREE YEARS. I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. SO I HAVE NO CONCERNS IN THAT RESPECT. AND THEN ALSO WITH THE, AS THEY'RE DOING THE EXCAVATION AND THE, YOU KNOW, FINDING OF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ANY ARCH ARCHEOLOGICAL FINES, WHATEVER, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT THOSE WILL BE HANDLED APPROPRIATELY. SO, UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER CONCERNS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. AND MR. FISH, I SHOULD HAVE STARTED WITH YOU SINCE YOU WERE THE MOTION. DO YOU WISH TO, UH, EXPAND UPON, UH, THE REASONS BEHIND YOUR MOTION? JUST A COUPLE. UM, SOME OF MY EARLY CONCERNS, UH, IN THE PROCESS IN, UH, IN MAYBE SOME OF THE EARLY DRCS HAD TO DO WITH LEGIBILITY MATERIALITY, AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS INTERPRETIVE AND NOT A RECREATION OF HISTORIC, UH, OF A HISTORIC ELEMENT, UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THE LEGIBILITY MAY BE CONFUSED. UM, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE, WERE TAKEN BY THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, AND ADDRESSED. SO, UH, I, I'M COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD AT THIS, AT THIS TIME. I DO ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE LUNETTE IS BEING CONSIDERED IN A, IN A TIMESCALE, UH, THAT IS TEMPORARY AND THAT IT CAN BE REVISITED IN THE FUTURE. I HAD SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE, THE SCALE OF ITS FOOTPRINT AND ITS HEIGHT, AND THAT, THAT GOES A LONG WAY IN ALLEVIATING SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT'S ALL OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MS. GR, YOU ARE THE SECONDER. DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY COMMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE? NO, I MEAN, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS FOR ALL SCIENCE THAT WAS PART OF THE LAST D R C, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. UM, I'VE ALWAYS, UM, HAD NO CONCERNS WITH IT. ALSO, JUST, YES, ONE, IT'S A TEMPORARY AND THEN THE OPENNESS THAT IS STILL THERE, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CLOSE OFF THE [01:00:01] PLAZA. THERE'S STILL ACCESS ON EITHER SIDE AND THROUGH, AND THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY RESTRICTED ACCESS. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS. SO NO, OVERALL I HAVE NO CONCERNS AND I WOULD, UM, SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA? UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP FOR ADDING THE TEMPORARY NESS OR THE TEMPORARY TERM TO THE, TO THE MOTION. MY CONCERNS ALL ALONG HAVE BEEN THE, THE STRENGTH AND LEGIBILITY OF THE MAIN ALAMO PLAZA AND THAT IT NOT BECOME TOO, UM, CLUTTERED AND BUSY WITH IRRELEVANT OR ERRONEOUS ITEMS. I DO THINK THE, THE LUNETTE CREATES A VERY, SOMEWHAT OF AN AWKWARD APPROACH, WHICH CAN BE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE PLAZA. IT SETS THE MOOD, IT SETS THE TONE. UM, SO I DO, I I'M, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THE TEMPORARY STATUS OF IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DOCUMENT THAT. UM, IS THERE A NEED FOR US TO DOCUMENT A TIME PERIOD OR A CONDITION UNDER WHICH THAT REVIEW WOULD OCCUR IF WE SAY THREE YEARS? DOES THAT THREE YEARS NEED TO APPEAR VIA AN AMENDMENT? N NO, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROPOSAL. SO WE, WE'VE, THAT'S SUFFICIENTLY CAPTURED. GOT IT. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT ALLEVIATES MY CONCERNS ABOUT JUST THE, THE RENDERING OF IT AND THE, THE, UM, THE EPHEMERAL ASPECT OF IT AND SORT OF THE, THE POP ASPECT OF IT. I JUST, UH, UM, SO I, UH, WITH THAT CHANGE IN THE, UM, FIRST STIPULATION, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MOOKA, DO YOU WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT OR DISCUSS? NO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION IN MY HEAD THAT THE GATE IS, IS PERMANENT, BUT THE NETTE IS TEMPORARY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ANTES, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST, JUST REAL QUICK, ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO DO A CONTINUANCE, AND, AND I, I LIKE THE PROJECT. I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. I KNOW THE END STATE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING SAN ANTONIO NEEDS. UM, BUT SOME OF THE, UH, CONSTITUENTS DID BRING UP SOME, SOME VALID POINTS. AND IF HALF OF THEIR POINTS ARE TRUE COORDINATION WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL SET, FEDERAL GUIDELINES, THAT SORT OF THING, I, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO JUST CONTINUE TO BE LOOKED AT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. NOW, UM, ONE THING TO REMEMBER IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NOT JUST THE CITY HOLDS SACRED, BUT THE STATE HOLDS SACRED, RIGHT? SO EVEN THOUGH LEGALLY WE MIGHT HAVE A TECHNICAL LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING, OR IN YOUR PURVIEW, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT ADDRESS SOME OF THE CULTURAL CONCERNS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LEGAL, RIGHT? YOU SAY, WELL, TECHNICALLY WE DON'T, WE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. OR WE, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING UP THERE FROM A TECHNICALITY, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU STILL GOTTA LOOK AT THE, THE, THE, THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF IT. YOU STILL GOTTA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING HOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO THE SACRED LAND? DO PEOPLE HAVE A SAY? YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD DARE SAY MAYBE IT'S EVEN A NATIONAL, YOU KNOW, UH, NATIONAL LEVEL IMPACT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I WANTED TO, TO KIND OF DO A CONTINUANCE, IS BECAUSE I WANTED YOU TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY SOME OF THE CONSTITUENTS. UM, THAT SAID, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS FROM A, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S GREAT. I THINK THE IN STATE'S GREAT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT, IT'S PROBABLY SAVING THE CITY AND THE STAFF SOME HEARTACHE WITH SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THERE. RIGHT. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS PATRICK GALLAGHER. I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DID REVIEW THIS CAREFULLY WITH THE T H C, AND WE WILL BE GOING BACK TO THE T H C FOR OUR FOUNDATION PERMIT IN TWO WEEKS. SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE HAD VERY CAREFUL INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS PROCESS. GREAT. GREAT. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. AND I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS IN PUBLIC 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HEAR. RIGHT? YOU DON'T WANNA GET SWARMED BY PHONE CALLS FROM ANGRY PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, SAYING, HEY, THIS, YOU DIDN'T DO THIS. IF YOU'RE DOING IT, THEN THAT'S GREAT, MAKE IT PUBLIC. UM, BUT THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS AND THAT WAS, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THAT UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. THAT'S ALL. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? YES. I, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE 2012, SO I'VE MET SEVERAL DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS, AND SEVERAL OF YOU WEREN'T HERE WHEN WE ADOPTED THE ORIGINAL ALAMO MASTER PLAN. AND WHEN WE DID THE LEASE WITH THE, UM, ALAMO TRUST, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT LEASE IS HONORED, PROVIDED THEY FOLLOW THE ALAMO MASTER PLAN THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED, AND THEY FOLLOW THE VISION AND GUIDING PRINCIPLES. AND KEY TO THAT ARE CERTAIN COMPONENTS THAT HONOR CERTAIN STORIES AND TELLING ALL THE STORIES. SO IF WE EVER FEEL THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HONORING THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, OUR LEASE SAYS YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. SO I WANNA STRESS THAT THERE, WE DO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER THIS, BUT WE'VE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH ALAMO TRUST AND THE T H C AND WE WILL BE FOLLOWING ALL STATE, LOCAL AND FEDERAL LAWS. YEAH. AND, AND PUBLICLY ADDRESSING THAT SAYS A LOT, YOU KNOW, THAT JUST BECAUSE WE CAN DO SOMETHING DOESN'T [01:05:01] MEAN WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING RIGHT. THAT'S SO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT. I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE PHONE CALLS, THE STAFF GET READY AS LONG AS YOUR I'S ARE DOTTED AND YOUR T'S ACROSS YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. APPRECIATE THAT. AND FOR MY OWN PART, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I, I'VE APPRECIATED THE, UH, THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD AND LIKE I SAID, UH, UH, A, A LARGER REVEAL OF WHAT, UM, IS PERHAPS GOING TO BECOME MORE PUBLIC AS THE PROJECT, UH, DEVELOPS AND ITS OTHER COMPONENTS. AND I APPRECIATE, UM, UH, MR. GALLAGHER'S, UH, POINT DURING ONE OF OUR DRCS WHERE THIS GATEWAY PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IS, IS MISSING RIGHT NOW TO ESTABLISH A PAUSE AND A THRESHOLD TO, UH, REINFORCE THE REVERENCE OF THE SITE. AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. MY CONCERNS ARE MORE OPERATIONAL, AND THOSE ARE KIND OF BEYOND THE, UM, THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION. BUT I THINK THE, THE TEMPORARY NATION NATURE OF THE, UM, THE LUNETTE WILL PROVE ITSELF OVER TIME THROUGH THOSE OPERATIONAL CONCERNS, WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT. AND PERHAPS, UH, ANOTHER SOLUTION WILL COME ABOUT OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, EXPERIENCE, UH, OF IT BEING IN OPERATION. SO I THANK YOU. I THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UM, UH, FOR APPROVAL WITH THE FOUR STIPULATIONS AND CLARIFICATION THAT, UH, THERE'S A TEMPORARY ASPECT TO THE LYNETTE. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. RACA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FEDS RECUSE. SO MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. AND CAN WE BRING IN CHAIRMAN NOW ITEM ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA? UH, 2014 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA PULLED IT FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. ITEM NUMBER FOUR, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER DID OH, YEAH, JUST KIDDING. SORRY. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S FINE. A LOT OF MOVING PARTS IN THIS. UM, I PULL IT BECAUSE I THINK THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ARCHITECTURAL, UH, COMMITTEE HAD SOME VERY THOUGHTFUL IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS, UH, THE REAR FACADE. AND I WANTED TO SEE IF THE OWNER WAS AT ALL AMENABLE TO INCORPORATING THOSE IDEAS INTO THEIR FINAL DESIGN. AND WOULD YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT ERIC GRAFF ON THE LINE VIA WEBEX? MR. GRAF? THERE, YOU'RE MR. GRAFF. DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION? NO, I'M SORRY. I MISSED IT. YES, I'M SORRY. UM, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I, DURING THE, UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE WAS THE SUGGESTION FROM THE MON MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ARCHITECTURAL, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, TO INCORPORATE, UH, I BELIEVE A DOORWAY RATHER THAN, UH, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED TWO, UH, TWO DOORS IN THE REAR. WOULD YOU BE, UM, AMENABLE TO THAT SOLUTION? UM, YEAH. I, I, I WOULD, UM, WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT, BUT THE, THE WAY THAT THE DOOR, OR THE WAY THAT THE WINDOWS ARE SITUATED CURRENTLY, UM, THEY'RE CENTERED UP ON THAT WALL. AND SO JUST AS A, YOU KNOW, A DESIGN STANDPOINT, UM, HAVING A, HAVING THE DOUBLE DOORS GO OUT, IT, IT WOULD BE CENTERED AND IT WOULD LOOK PRETTY CLOSE TO THE WINDOWS THE WAY THEY ARE. IF YOU HAD A SINGLE DOOR, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ONE OF THE WINDOWS OUT AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A, A WINDOW ON THE SIDE OF A DOOR, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, BUT I, COMMISSIONER, I, UH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. I BELIEVE THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMENTS WAS TO LEAVE THE WINDOWS IN PLACE AND PUT A SIDE AND PUT A SIDE DOOR, UH, AROUND THE CORNER. UH, IF WE GO BACK TO THAT PHOTO, WE JUST HAD, YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THE DOUBLE WINDOWS, AND THEN YOU GO TO THE CORN, YOU GO AROUND THE CORNER TO THE LEFT AND PUT THE DOOR INTO THAT, UH, SHORT WALL. AND I APOLOGIZE IF I [01:10:01] WAS UNCLEAR ON, ON WHAT THE SUGGESTION WAS, BUT IT'S, YEAH. WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS RETAIN THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN PLACE, YET STILL GIVE YOU THE ACCESS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING TO THE BACK. YEAH. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO? IF YOU PUT A DOOR ON THAT, ON THAT SHORT WALL, THAT WALL IS THE ONLY, THE ONLY AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE PLACE. AND SO PUTTING A BED IN THERE, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BEDROOM. PUTTING A BED IN THERE WOULD JUST, IT WOULD JUST BE IN A, IN A WEIRD SPOT, IF YOU HAD A DOOR RIGHT THERE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT YOUR BED UP AGAINST THE WINDOWS NEAR THE CLOSET, AND YOU WOULD HAVE, INSTEAD OF PUTTING, BEING ABLE TO PUT A KING SIZED BED, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT ONLY BE ABLE TO FIT A FULL, UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH WOULDN'T BE GOOD FOR THE, FOR THE TENANT AND, AND TO GO, TO GO OFF THIS TOO, THE RE THE REASON THAT I WANTED TO PUT THE, THE DOUBLE DOORS IN THE BACK IS, UM, BETWEEN THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT SIDE IN THE REAR, WHEN YOU SEE THE, THAT STAIRCASE THAT'S THERE, THAT GOES UP TO A CONNECTED LAUNDRY ROOM. AND IT'S, IT'S A COMMON AREA FOR BOTH SIDES. AND, UM, I, I AM ACTUALLY, I WANTED TO MAKE THAT WALL THAT OFF, SO THAT WAY IT'S ONE SIDE, UH, E EACH SIDE WILL HAVE ITS OWN LAUNDRY SPACE. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A LOT BETTER FOR THE TENANTS. IT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVATE AS WELL. AND THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE REASON, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WANTED TO HAVE A REAR ACCESS, UM, FOR THE 2012 SIDE. YEAH, I, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF, IF A PLAN HAD BEEN INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION, BUT THERE WASN'T. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO, TO UNDERSTAND, UH, PARTICULARLY YOU WOULD THINK DOUBLE DOORS WOULD MAKE THAT ROOM MORE DIFFICULT TO SERVE AS A BEDROOM, UH, RATHER THAN A SINGLE SIDE DOOR. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I AGREE THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO EVALUATE THIS WITHOUT A, UH, INTERIOR FLOOR PLAN. I KNOW WE'RE NOT, OUR PURVIEW IS NOT THE INTERIOR OF THE SPA OF THE HOUSE, BUT, UH, WHERE THIS DOOR IS, UH, IN RELATION TO THE INTERIOR IS WHAT, UH, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH. UM, PERHAPS A CONTINUANCE FOR THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT A, THE FLOOR PLAN OR A SITE D R C, UH, MIGHT BE IN ORDER. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR A D R C, GIVE THE APPLICANT AN AP OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A FLOOR PLAN FOR THE PURPOSES OF UNDERSTANDING, UM, THESE EXTERIOR, UH, FEATURES THAT HE'S INTRODUCING. IS THIS A SITE D R C OR A PAPER? D I THINK IT'D BE JUST A PAPER DR. C AT THE TABLE. I'LL SECOND THAT. IT COULD BE A VIRTUAL D R C. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, ANYTHING ELSE? NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER? UH, YES, I HAD A QUESTION, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, WHAT'S THE, I KNOW IT'S, THE INTENT IS TO DO A DUPLEX, AND I THINK ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS, AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, WAS TO THE, YOU KNOW, BE SALVAGED IN STORE ON SITE, BUT THIS HOME IS GONNA BE SOLD OR YOU KEEPING IT FOR YOURSELF. WHAT'S THE PLAN? I KNOW IT'S NOT A PREVIEW, BUT I'M JUST THINKING HOW WOULD THIS HAPPEN EVEN FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WINDOWS ARE BEING SALISH OR STORED ON THE PROPERTY? YEAH, I DO PLAN ON KEEPING, UM, THE UNIT, UH, IT IS A DUPLEX AND, UM, I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, STORAGE ON SITE AND THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE AT ALL. AND I'M NOT RESELLING IT. I'M, I PLAN ON KEEPING IT. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. UM, COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER FISH? NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. THANKS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, SO I WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROBE. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR. [01:15:02] AGENDA ITEM FOUR IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AT FRIO IN WEST COMMERCE AND THE APPLICANT, BIANCA ALVAREZ SHOULD BE WITH US VIRTUALLY. SURE. I, I PULLED THAT, I JUST HAD, UH, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, THE, IT'S RATHER LATE TO BE IN. I'M, I WASN'T, NOT A PART NOR WAS I ASKED TO BE, NOR DID I PUSH MYSELF INTO THE PROCESS OF DECIDING THE IMAGERY FOR THIS, UM, FOR THESE PUBLIC ART PIECES. AND, UM, THE LOCATION IS AN AUSPICIOUS LOCATION. IT REALLY DOES, IN MY MIND. DEMAR AN ENTRANCE TO THE WEST SIDE OF SAN ANTONIO, A VERY VIBRANT PART OF THE CITY DOWN ON ITS HEELS MAYBE, BUT DEFINITELY VIBRANT. AND, UM, I, I JUST, THE, THE, UM, THE TOP AND THE KITE, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE PLACEHOLDERS OR THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL, UH, SCULPTURAL IMAGES. IF THEY'RE THE SCULPTURAL IMAGES. I, I, I DON'T SEE ANY RELATION TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE WEST SIDE. UM, AND SO I WAS JUST GONNA, I WANTED TO TO KNOW IF THAT WAS, IF THOSE WERE THE QUES, IF I'M RIGHT. SO THE QUESTIONS WERE, WERE THOSE, UH, PLACEHOLDERS OR THOSE, THE ACTUAL IMAGES THAT ARE GONNA BE THERE? UH, THEN HI, SO YES, THIS IS JENKA ALVAREZ WITH, UM, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE. AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR QUESTION. AND, UM, SO THESE SCULPTURES, THESE ARE THE, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGNS. SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE NOT PRESENTED HERE IN COLOR, UM, AS THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FABRICATED AND, AND INSTALLED. SO THE, THE DESIGNS WERE DEFINITELY SHAPED BY OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SURVEY, UM, THAT WE CONDUCTED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN 2022 TO CAPTURE PUBLIC INPUT ON, ON WHAT TYPES OF THEMES, UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE EXPLORED IN THE ARTWORK. AND, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO OUR PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE AS WELL FOR, FOR DESIGN APPROVAL. SO THEY'VE APPROVED THIS CONCEPT DESIGN. UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE FINAL DESIGN PHASE OF EXACTLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT COLORS WILL BE ON THE THROUPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IS PLANNED TO BE MULTICOLORED. AND THEN THE KITE ITSELF, UM, WILL APPEAR TO BE FASHIONED BY, BY NEWSPAPER SPECIFICALLY LATA, UM, WHICH WE'VE OBTAINED PERMISSION TO USE THAT EXPIRED TRADEMARK, UM, ON THE ARTWORK DESIGN. SO REALLY KIND OF, UH, REALLY SPEAKING, UH, TO, TO PLACE MAKING IN THAT SENSE. UM, HERE. SO I KNOW THOSE DETAILS, UH, THOSE DETAILS ARE LACKING HERE, BUT THOSE ARE IN THE WORKS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY ON THE FOUNDATION, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, UM, FOR, FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS ALREADY. SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME VISUAL BRANDING FOR THIS SPACE THAT IS, UH, CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF Z , AND THAT INCLUDES SOME OF THAT GRECA PATTERNING THAT WE'VE SEEN ALONG COMMERCE STREET. AND SO WE'RE IMAGINING THE FOUNDATIONS AS WELL TO KIND OF BE, UM, TO HAVE A, A GRECA PATTERNING LIKE A BAND AROUND THE FOUNDATION TO FURTHER, UH, INTEGRATE IT INTO THE DESIGN. THE URBAN DESIGN OF THIS AREA WILL. THANK YOU. SO I GUESS LONG, LONG ANSWER SHORT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PLACE MAKE, UH, PLACEHOLDER HERE, BUT IT IS, UH, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, UM, I'M SORRY I WAS NOT A PART OF THAT DECISION MAKING PROCESS. I THINK AS A GATEWAY TO THE WEST SIDE, IT'S A LITTLE WEAK, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. AND, UH, THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I, I JUST WANT TO ECHO, I THINK WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ZUKA, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE CONTENT OF THE ART IS WITHIN OUR, OUR, UH, PURVIEW, BUT THE ROLE IT PLAYS KIND OF WITHIN KIND OF THE URBAN SETTING, THIS URBAN LANDSCAPE, IT DOES FEEL LIKE THEY'RE A LITTLE DIMINUTIVE AND, AND WEAK AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY OBVIOUS TO ME WHAT THEIR CULTURAL RELEVANCE IS. AND SO, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS DEVELOP. THANK [01:20:01] YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. UH, I WOULD, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST LOOKING AT THIS, UM, IN YOUR FUTURE, UH, CONSIDERATION AND REVIEWS WITH, UH, CONSTITUENTS, STAKEHOLDERS, UH, TO LOOK AT THE ADJACENCY OF THE BUS SHELTER, THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THE STREET LIGHTS, ANY OTHER KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE POLES. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE ARTWORK, BECAUSE AS IT'S DEPICTED HERE IN THE RENDERING, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD EASILY GET LOST ALSO, EXCUSE ME, HAVING SOME EXPERIENCE WITH PUBLIC ART. UM, I, I WAS WONDERING, I WAS ASKING STAFF EARLIER IF IT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE A STUDY, A TRAFFIC STUDY OR IMPACT AND VISIBILITY STUDY FROM A, UM, MOBILITY STANDPOINT, UM, BECAUSE THAT OFTENTIMES CAN DETERMINE THE PLACEMENT OF THE PEDESTAL OF THE PLINTH AND THE ARTWORK. SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO JUGGLE HERE TO REALLY PULL THIS OFF AND MAKE IT, UM, MEET THE GOALS OR THE INTENTION THAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST ANOTHER PIECE OF STREET SIDEWALK FURNITURE. BUT, UM, I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO YOUR TEAM TO LOOK AT IT MUCH FURTHER IN A VERY, UM, SMALL SCALE MANNER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP. I JUST, I'LL DO A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION TO KEEP. OKAY. SO I'LL, I'LL ACTUALLY, UM, I'LL DO A MOTION TO CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE, UM, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE APPLICANT. COULD THAT BE AN OPTION? YES. INSTEAD OF FINAL. OKAY. SO I'LL DO A MOTION TO CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE AND, AND BEFORE THE SECOND, I JUST ALSO WANTED TO JUST GET CLARIFIED. EVERYTHING SAYS IT'S GONNA BE 10 FEET HIGH AND A TWO FOOT, TWO FOOT, UM, BASE. CAN, CAN WE MAKE, JUST CLARIFY, IT IS TOTAL OF 12 FEET, OR IS IT A TOTAL OF 10 WITH THE TWO FEET? SO IT IS A, A COMBINED VERTICAL HEIGHT OF 10 OR 12 AND A HALF FEET. THE FOUNDATION SITS AT TWO AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE SIDEWALK WITH THE ADDITIONAL 10 FEET FROM THE ARTWORK. OKAY, SO IT, YEAH, IT WAS SOME THINGS IN THE NOTES. IT'S TWO FEET, I THINK IT SAYS TWO FEET AND SIX INCHES ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. I WOULD JUST ASK FOR THAT TO BE CLARIFIED FOR FINAL, UM, A TOTAL HEIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THE MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR, UM, CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NOTHING. MR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO, NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT THE BASE COULD BE A SAVING GRACE TO THESE PIECES IF THEY WERE, UM, TO BE RECONSIDERED AT PERHAPS A LITTLE MORE THAN TWO AND A HALF FEET. I THINK THAT TWO AND A HALF FEET HEIGHT ADDS TO, AT LEAST IF THESE ARE DRAWN TO SCALE IN THIS ILLUSTRATION, THEY REALLY DO LOOK QUITE DIMINUTIVE. UM, AND, AND DON'T REALLY GIVE ME THAT FEELING OF A GATE. I DON'T KNOW, THEY DON'T RELATE TO EACH OTHER WELL ENOUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THE, A TALLER BASE WITH A PERHAPS SOME COLOR MOSAIC TILE WOULD, WOULD ADD TO THAT, BUT, UM, I WOULD WISH THAT'D BE CONSIDERED. THANK YOU. SO, AS, AS FAR AS THE, IF, I'M SORRY IF I CAN, UM, I HERE BRIEFLY. UM, AS FAR AS THE FOUNDATION DESIGN, SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEIR DESIGN TEAM OF ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS, UM, PARTICULARLY M I G AND C P N Y TO REVIEW THE FEASIBILITY AND VIABILITY OF THESE LOCATIONS. SO, UH, THOSE STUDIES WERE CONDUCTED AND, UM, THE FOUNDATIONS TOO, WE DID ASK FOR A HIGHER FOUNDATION, BUT THEY DID COME BACK AND TELL US THAT TWO AND A HALF FEET, UH, CONSIDERING THE LOCATION WAS THE MAX WE COULD GO. SO THAT WAS THE MAX HEIGHT THAT, UM, WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH. AND SO, AND THEN OF COURSE, KEEPING IN MIND ALL OF THOSE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE DETAILS, OVERHEAD POWER AND SUCH, UM, ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD WITH A AND THOSE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS CAME BACK WITH THEIR, UM, WITH THEIR, YOU KNOW, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WE HAVE FOLLOWED. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FISH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. AND, UH, I, I'VE HAD [01:25:01] SOME AUDIO OUTAGES IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES, SO IF I MISSED A PREVIOUS OPPORTUNITY, I APOLOGIZE. NO, YOU'RE FINE. UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, NOTHING TO ADD. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. MAZUA, MAY. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE NAY, I AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION CARRIES. UM, AND JUST A NOTE TO THE APPLICANT, IF YOU DO WISH TO COME BACK TO A D R C AND REVIEW THIS PRIOR TO COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UH, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO STAFF. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. SO NOW, SO NOW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ADDRESS, UM, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 4 68 ADDRESS, 1 31 EAST MULBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT NEW MASONRY WALL FEATURING JOHANNES BROOKS BRICKS LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE PROPERTY. THE WALL WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT APPROVAL. AT APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT TO APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET TO SERVE AS A LANDSCAPE RETAINING WALL AND TO THE INSTALLATION OF DROUGHT RESISTANT NATIVE LANDSCAPE TO THE FRONT YARD. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT YARD MASONRY WALL BASED ON FINDING D A TRADIT TRADITIONAL LANDSCAPING BORDER USE USING COMPATIBLE MATERIALS SUCH AS SMALL LIMESTONE BRICKS WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. AND TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING BASED ON FINDING E AND APPLICANT. ROBIN STONE IS HERE IN PERSON. HI. YES MA'AM. MS. STONE, WILL YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? OH, HI, I'M ROBIN STONE. OKAY. TALK ABOUT, OH, UH, SO PER YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE SITE VISIT, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GO WITH TAKING IT DOWN ONE BRICK ON BOTH SIDES AND STUCCOING, THE WHOLE THING WITH THE, THE STUCCO COLOR WOULD MATCH THE TRIM ON THE HOUSE, WHICH IS KIND OF A BONE COLOR, AND THEN LANDSCAPE WOULD BE IN FRONT OF IT. DID YOU HAVE THE PICTURES? YEAH. AND OKAY, SO THERE'S ONE EXAMPLE OF SORT OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE OF OURS WOULD BE STRAIGHT, IT WOULDN'T HAVE THE CURVES. AND I THINK DID HE SEND YOU ANOTHER ONE? YES. I WAS AT THE SITE D R C WITH THE STONES AND, UM, LOOKING AT, UH, PICTURES OF WHAT HAD BEEN THERE, WHICH WAS A DRY STACK LIMESTONE WALL THAT FOLLOWED THE CONTOURS OF THE, UH, FRONT YARD. IT LOOKED LIKE POSSIBLY IN THE PAST THEY HAD MOUNTED UP, UH, TO CREATE SOME BERMS AND THEN PUT THIS DRY STACK LIMESTONE, UM, RETAINING WALLS. AND THEY WERE BASICALLY FOLLOWING THE, THE PROFILES OR THE PLAN OF THOSE, UH, PREVIOUS WALLS. UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT LOWERING THE, UH, DENE BLOCK, ANOTHER COURSE WHICH WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE EXISTING GRADES. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE, UH, IMMEDIATE SURROUNDINGS, THERE WERE, THEY HAD, UH, ACROSS THE STREET THERE WERE SOME LIMESTONE RETAINING WALLS, UH, ALSO SOME STUCCO WALLS. AND, UH, THE FOUNDATION SKIRTING OF THE STONE'S HOUSE DOES HAVE A PAINTED STUCCO FINISH. SO, UH, WE DISCUSSED POSSIBLY STUCCOING THE, UH, HANNIS BLOCK, UH, AS THE, WHICH WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE NATURE OF THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THE JOHANNES BLOCK. UM, ALTHOUGH A, UH, BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL IS MORE INDUSTRIAL IN FEEL, SO TO GIVE IT THE MORE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, CHARACTER WE DISCUSSED STUCCOING AND IT, I BELIEVE THAT WE JUST HAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES. UM, THEY WOULD, UH, PROPOSE TO STUCCO THE HANNIS BLOCK. NOW WE DID TALK ABOUT A LIMESTONE CAP. IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL WOULD I PROPOSE DON'T OR JUST, JUST ALL STUCCO? ALL STUCCO OR POSSIBLY [01:30:01] THE NOT THAT BRICK? WELL, WE LIKE THE BRICK TOPPER, BUT THE PREVIOUS PICTURE HAD A RED BRICK TOP LIKE THAT. SO, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THAT, IT WOULD BE A SMOOTH SORT OF STUCCO FINISH WITH A RED BRICK TOP. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT IF WE'LL DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN. , WE LIKE THE STUCCO AND WE LIKE THE STUCCO WITH THE RED BRICK. SO EITHER WAY. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RED BRICK BECAUSE YOUR FRONT PORCH HAS THE, THE RED BRICK. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE PHOTO. THANK YOU. UH, ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE PHOTO THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW. UHHUH , IS THAT ON YOUR BLOCK FACE OR WHERE IS IT RELATIVE HERE? THAT'S PLACE, UH, WHAT STREET WAS THAT? UM, MAYBE SUMMIT A COUPLE BLOCKS UP. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . YEAH. I MEAN, ALL OF THE PICTURES ARE IN MONTE VISTA, LIKE THE THREE THAT WE TOOK. SO WITHIN BETWEEN LIKE MCCULLOUGH AND SAN PEDRO. SO YEAH. IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YEAH. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST CHOCK FULL OF DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND USES OF MASONRY PRODUCTS. EVERYTHING FROM POURED CONCRETE TO, YOU KNOW, PRECIOUS, YOU KNOW, ROCKS AND BRICKS AND THINGS. UM, UH, ONE THING THAT REALLY STRUCK ME ABOUT YOUR BLOCK FACE AND EVEN BOTH BLOCK FACE IS THE, UM, UH, CONSISTENT USE OF A NATURAL COLOR LIMESTONE OR CONCRETE MM-HMM. . SO I THINK DOING THE STUCCO PHASE IS A REALLY GOOD MOVE. I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU'LL BE HAPPY WITH IT FROM LANDSCAPE STANDPOINT ALSO. UM, BUT I'M LESS CONVINCED OF A RED CAP. I WOULD. OKAY. SINCE IT'S, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, UM, VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THAT ENTIRE, UM, BLOCK DISPLAYS. IT'S, IT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL THAT IT IS SO HOMOGENEOUS ON YOUR BLOCK. MM-HMM. . OKAY. OKAY. JUST A THOUGHT. THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION, YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. I, UM, I'LL ACTUALLY SUPPORT, UM, THE MOTION WOULD BE, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PICTURE OF A SMOOTH STUCCO WITH A RED THIN CAP. UM, PAGE 19, BARELY SEE IT. UM, SO, AND, AND BECAUSE EXACTLY THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT, RIGHT? I FEEL LIKE IT HAS LIKE A, A SMOOTH, UM, THE, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE THE RED BRAKE, UH, RED BRAKES ON THE FRONT, SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT TODAY. AND ALSO APPROVE ITEM TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. SO FURTHER DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER GRU, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR STAFF STIPULATION ONLY TO ITEM TWO. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE IS NO STAFF STIPULATION ON ITEM ONE, CORRECT. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. THE STAFF STIPULATION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE WOULD BE TO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS THE BREAK. YEAH. SO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE AS PRESENTED TODAY BY THE APPLICANT AND APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I, I AGREE. I, I THINK I'LL FOLLOW THAT. I'LL VOTE POSITIVELY FOR THAT MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO ON HER COMMENTS. HAVING DONE THE SITE VISIT OUT THERE. I SAW THAT THAT RED BRICK MIGHT JUST, MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT TOO, MIGHT POP A LITTLE TOO MUCH, BUT THAT'S IT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER FISH, UH, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AND THANK THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE D R C. SECOND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M ACTUALLY GOOD WITH THAT. I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE STUCCO. UM, AND, AND THE RED POP WITH THE BRICK, UM, SMOOTH LIKE YOU MENTIONED. SO I'LL ACTUALLY BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. OKAY. AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE, UH, MOTION AS WELL. SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GOOD. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROB AYE. ANTE? YES. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO IS RECUSING. [01:35:02] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 27 8 36 SOUTH LAREDO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE HISTORIC LANDMARK. 8 36 SOUTH LAREDO, COMMONLY KNOWN AS A W WALTER HOUSE. STAFF DOES NOT REC STAFF DOES NOT FIND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET THE UD C'S REQUIREMENT FOR AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AS NOTED IN FINDING F SHOULD THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FIND AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE NOT CAUSE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THE OWNER IS NOTED IN FINDING F AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF THE STRUCTURE'S ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE U D C SECTION 35, 614 D AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A FINAL SALVAGE PLAN DOCUMENTING WHICH EL ELEMENTS WILL BE SALVAGED. UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, THE APPLICANT ARE HERE. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS SOCHI PENA RODRIGUEZ. I'M AN ATTORNEY FOR THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY, AND TODAY WE HAVE, UH, TOMMY MITCHELL, WHO HELPS MANAGE OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. UM, AND WE'LL TAKE OVER THAT FOR SAN PEDRO CREEK CULTURE PARK. AND WE ALSO HAVE BOB LO GARZA. HE IS OUR ENGINEER WHO DID THE REPORT THAT, UH, AS WELL AS THE ESTIMATE THAT'S IN THERE. SO HE'LL BE SPEAKING TO THE STRUCTURAL, UM, INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. AND, UH, TOMMY WILL BE ADDRESSING THE PROPOSED USE OF THE SPACE AS WELL AS THE CURRENT USE OF THE SPACE. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT LEGAL ISSUES AT THE END. BUT FOR NOW, UH, TOMMY, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. UH, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. AGAIN, TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, CURRENT USE AND, UH, PROTECTION OF THE SITE, THE NEED FOR THE REQUEST, AND THEN BRIEFLY ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN. SO CURRENTLY THE USE, WE DO HAVE AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PRESENCE HERE, BUT NO, NO INTERACTIONS WITH THE STRUCTURE AT ALL. WE DID GO THROUGH SOME PROTECTION MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THERE WAS NO INTERACTIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE, WE WINDOWS WERE BOARDED UP. WE ENSURE THAT THE FENCING IS SECURE. JUST AGAIN, JUST TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO INTERACTION WITH THIS SITE. UH, WE, WITH THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PRESENCE, WE DO PROVIDE A BUFFER IN THIS AREA, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE STRUCTURAL UNKNOWN INTEGRITY OF THE, OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE ENSURING THAT THAT SITE IS PROTECTED AND THERE'S NO INTERACTION WITH, UH, GENERAL PUBLIC AND OR OUR STAFF. UH, WITH THIS REQUEST, THE NEED, UH, IS PRIMARILY SUPPORTED OVER THE SPACE FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, UH, OF THE SAN PEDRO CREEK CULTURE PARK. AS YOU MAY ALL KNOW, AT OCTOBER 14TH, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PHASES THAT ARE COMING ONLINE, UH, ALONG THE SAN PEDRO CREEK CULTURE PARK. AND THAT ONLY DRIVES THE, AGAIN, THE CONTINUED NEED FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. UH, NOT ONLY A STAGING OF MATERIALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO PARKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR CENTRAL SAN ANTONIO THAT NOT ONLY SUPPORT THIS AREA, BUT THE P DISTRICT AS WELL, UH, ALONG WITH THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AUTHORITY STAFF. AND, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INTERACTION HERE AS WELL. UH, GOING INTO A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE IN, UH, CONCEPTUAL PLAN, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKET, THERE IS A, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. YOU MAY NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK TO REVIEW, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE IS STILL THAT OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COMPONENT. UH, IN THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR GREEN SPACE TO ENHANCE THE AREA, UH, WITH SOME LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT OR DESIGNS, IF YOU WILL. CURRENTLY, UH, THERE'S NONE IN PLACE, UH, AT THIS SITE LOCATION, SO YOU'D BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT. AND THEN OF, OF COURSE, ADDITIONAL PARKING. AND PRIMARILY, AGAIN, THE PARKING WOULD BE SUPPORTED OF NOT ONLY THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE STAFF, UH, CENTRAL SAN ANTONIO HAS A PRESENCE HERE. SO IT'S SUPPORT THOROUGH OPERATIONS, AND THEN ALSO SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO INTERPRET THE, UH, EXISTING HA CALL ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER NOW, CURRENTLY TO, UH, TO PABLO TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENGINEERING REPORT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, SO GOOD. THIS IS A LITTLE TRICKY 'CAUSE AS IT STANDS, THE BUILDING APPEARS TO BE STABLE, UH, BUT IT'S NOT . UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE ON ALL THE EXTERIOR PERIMETER WALLS AND SOME OF THE INTERIOR PERIMETER WALLS IS A LACK OF OR MISSING MORTAR, UH, SAGGING OR CASCADING MASONRY. UH, YOU CAN LOOK AT PHOTOS SIX AND SEVEN FOR THAT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE LINES ARE SAGGING IN THE BRICK. NOW WHAT DOES THAT TELL US? THAT TELLS US THAT, UH, THE MORTAR, THE MASONRY, THE MORTAR SPECIFICALLY HAS REACHED THE END OF ITS SERVICEABLE LIFE, ITS LIFESPAN, UM, AND IS NO LONGER CARRYING, UH, THE LOAD THAT IT WAS INTENDED. NOW THESE WALLS, EVERY WALL IN [01:40:01] THIS HOUSE IS A LOAD BEARING WALL. UH, THE FOUNDATION IS A MASONRY CONTINUOUS FOOTING FOUNDATION. UH, THERE ARE SOME CRACKS AND SEPARATIONS IN THAT AS WELL, BUT IN GENERAL SEEMS RELATIVELY STABLE. BUT THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT. THE EXTERIOR WALLS AND ALL THE INTERIOR WALLS ARE WITH MINUS ONE, UH, LOAD-BEARING WALLS. THEY'RE ALL MASONRY LOAD-BEARING WALLS. THERE'S TWO LAYERS WITH AN AIR GAP IN BETWEEN, AND THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO BE REINFORCED. SO WITH THE EXTERIOR WALLS, IF THEY'VE NO LONGER DOING THE JOB THAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO DO, THEN THAT MEANS ONLY HALF OF THAT LAYER IS CARRYING THE LOAD. UH, YOU CAN SEE ALSO HERE SOME LOCALIZED BUCKLING. UM, FURTHER, WE HAVE SOME, IF YOU WANNA GO ONTO THE NEXT PHOTOS, WE HAVE THESE METAL PLATES. AND THIS ONE'S A LITTLE S-SHAPED PLATE, BUT WE HAVE THESE RODS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE. NOW THAT INDICATES TO US THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH THE STRUCTURE IN THE PAST. THEY RECOGNIZE THOSE ISSUES AND THEY SHORED UP THE BUILDING. UH, SO THAT FURTHER INDICATES THAT THESE WALLS WERE NOT WORKING AS INTENDED. UM, WE ALSO HAVE SOME, UM, DIAGONAL CRACKING IN THE WALLS THAT FURTHER INDICATE THAT THE LENTILS ARE BEGINNING TO FAIL. NOW, IN THE ATTIC, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE DAYLIGHT. UH, SO BOTH LAYERS OF THE BRICK, UH, ARE FAILING FROM THE ATTIC. UM, I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT. NOW. WE HAVE MORE, UH, DIAGONAL WALLS. AND AT THE CORNERS IT DOES APPEAR, UM, VISUALLY THAT THE CORNERS ARE SAGGING. UM, THAT INDICATES TO US THAT THE FOUNDATION HAS MOVED IN THE PAST AND MAY BE STILL MOVING. UM, AND IT WOULD, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CONTINUOUS FOOTINGS BEING MASONRY, IT WOULD BE VERY EXTENSIVE FOUNDATION REPAIR. UM, VERY TIME CONSUMING. UM, YEAH, VERY TIME CONSUMING. NOW, ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, WE HAVE ONE WALL, AND IT WAS A BRICK MASONRY WALL, BUT IT APPEARS THAT SOMEBODY CUT THE BOTTOM HALF OUT AND THEY PUT IN SOME WOOD FRAMING. UM, AND THAT FRAMING AND THAT WALL IS SAGGING. UH, SO THAT IS, IT'S IN DANGER OF A COLLAPSE. UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT CRACK THERE, THAT CRACK IS HALF AN INCH TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH WIDE. SO THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, INDICATIONS OF FAILURE. KEEP GOING HERE, THERE WE GO. ON THE ROOF, YOU CAN SEE SOME SAGGED AREAS. AND IN THE ATTIC YOU CAN SEE SOME POSSIBLE BIOLOGICAL GROWTH. UM, I CAN'T CALL IT MOLD, YOU MIGHT CALL IT MOLD. I CAN'T CALL IT MOLD 'CAUSE I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST BECAUSE, BUT THERE'S SOME MOLD AND THERE'S SOME ROT, UH, POSSIBLE MOLD AND SOME ROT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE FRAMING IN THE ATTIC. UM, NOW THAT ATTIC WAS A, DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE ORIGINALLY A LIVING ATTIC, BUT IT, IT, IT IS, UH, JUST BEYOND THE PICTURE HERE, THERE IS A LIVING SPACE. SO WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO, UH, TO RESTORE AND REPAIR WOULD BE VERY, VERY EXTENSIVE. VERY HIGHLY SKILLED ARTISANS, UH, WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING. UM, ANY VIBRATORY MOVEMENT, ANY KIND OF IMPACT, ANY KIND OF SUDDEN MOVEMENTS OF THIS BUILDING COULD CAUSE CASCADING FAILURE, UH, LOCALIZED AND CASCADING FAILURE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS TO BE HEARD OR VOICEMAILS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS. UM, THERE IS ONE LETTER, I BELIEVE IN YOUR PACKETS. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I'M SORRY, MS. RODRIGUEZ. GO AHEAD, . YEAH, NO, NO. UH, WE ARE OF COURSE OPEN TO QUESTIONS. UM, AFTER, UM, I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT FOR Y'ALL THAT, UH, WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS PROPERTY OVERALL. UH, SO THIS PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY, IT WAS OWNED BY US IN 87 TO CONSTRUCT A FLOOD TUNNEL. IT THEN WENT TO THE CITY IN 1992, UH, CAME BACK TO US IN 2015 FOR THE SAN PEDRO CREEK CULTURE PARK. SO IT WAS PASSED TO US WITH A NUMBER OF PARCELS FOR USE FOR THAT PARK. AND THE DEEDED OF WE GOT FROM THE CITY ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT IF WE, WHEN THE PROPERTY IS EVER USED FOR PURPOSES OTHER THAN CONSTRUCTION, MAINTENANCE, RENOVATION AND REPAIR OF SAN PEDRO CREEK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, UH, THAT IT [01:45:01] WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE CITY. AND THAT PROJECT IS DEFINED AS DEMONSTRATED IN OUR AGREEMENT WITH BEXAR COUNTY FOR THE PROJECT. SO WE HAVE NOT INTERPRETED THIS AS ALLOWING US TO REALLY HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY TO EXPECT ANY KIND OF REASONABLE RETURN OR ANY KIND OF A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP FOR OTHER TYPES OF THINGS, NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO SAN PEDRO CREEK, UH, CULTURE PARK. NOW, WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UH, THE CITY WHO DID OWN IT PRIOR TO US, UH, STOPPED USING THE STRUCTURE DUE TO THE SAFETY CONCERNS. UH, WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT SAFETY CONCERNS WITH IT AS WELL. UH, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN BOARDED UP AS TOMMY INDICATED. AND IT IS NOT, UH, CONSIDERED A SPACE THAT WE COULD SAFELY ALLOW OUR STAFF TO USE, UH, FOR REALLY ANY PURPOSE. WE DID UNDERGO EXTENSIVE EFFORTS TO SEE IF THE BUILDING COULD BE MOVED, UH, IF SOMEONE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT STRUCTURE. UM, ALL OF THOSE EFFORTS THAT STARTED AROUND 20 18, 20 19, UH, WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. AND IT WAS, UH, GIVEN OUR, THE ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, WE DO NOT THINK IT WOULD BE SAFE OR PRUDENT TO ATTEMPT TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE, THOUGH. THOSE ARE THE OTHER, UH, POINTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, Y'ALL HAD HEARD. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE, UH, TO ASK. I DO HAVE, UH, ONE QUESTION. UM, IF IT WERE TO BE RESTORED AND REHABILITATED, UM, AND I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MAINTENANCE FACILITY HERE IN PARKING, AND WOULDN'T THERE BE A NEED FOR SOME SORT OF OFFICE SPACE TO SUPPORT THAT, THAT THIS COULD ACCOMMODATE? SO OUR OFFICE SPACES ARE ACTUALLY AT, UH, SHERIDAN AND GUNTHER, UH, NOT FAR. UH, THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR, UH, OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. SO THE PLANTS, THE THINGS FOR EVENTS, MULCH, UM, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE IN, UH, TRUCKS AND THAT SORT OF THING. CENTRAL ALSO HAS A NUMBER OF TRUCKS. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT IF YOU GO TO THE RENDERING, UH, IF YOU NOTICE THAT OTHER, UH, HOUSE FURTHER DOWN. UH, SO THAT ONE WE ARE LOOKING AT PRESERVING AND WE ARE HOPING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF BUFFER OR PROTECTION, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GREATER PRESERVE THAT PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, UH, WITHOUT HAVING TOO MANY IMPACTS FROM OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, UH, WORK ON THE SITE AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH, I JUST WANTED ANOTHER CLARIFICATION. I PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE WHO'S, WHO FUNDS WHAT FOR THE ST. PATRICK CREEK. SO YOU'VE HAD IT SINCE 2016, LIKE EVERYBODY'S JUST BEEN HANDING DOWN THIS BUILDING AND NOBODY'S PUT ANY MONEY INTO IT. LIKE THERE WAS NO, NOTHING MAINTENANCE WISE DONE TO IT. SO FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, BUT YOU'VE HAD THE BIG PROJECTS OF ST. PEDRO CREEK. NOW THE SECOND PHASE, AND LIKE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S NOT BEEN AN INTENT TO INCLUDE THIS IN THE ST. PEDRO CREEK PROJECTS, EVEN PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, FUTURE PHASES. SO THERE WERE EXTENSIVE STUDIES DONE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INDI AS YOU CAN SEE, THE, THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN BOARDED IN. THERE'S BEEN EVIDENCE OF, UH, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF OTHER WORK THAT IS DONE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY INTERFERE WITH THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE CONTRAST AS COMPARED TO THE OTHER BUILDING ON THIS SITE, WHICH, UM, IS MUCH MORE, UM, IN ITS ORIGINAL STATE. SO THERE WERE EXTENSIVE STUDIES DONE. UH, THERE HAS BEEN, UH, A LOT OF WORK AND THOUGHT PUT INTO THE PROJECT. THIS IS THE ONLY SPACE THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PEOPLE TO HAVE A STAGING AREA TO BE ABLE TO DO THE VERY EXTENSIVE WORK TO MAINTAIN AND, AND OPERATE THE PARK, UM, AT THE LEVEL THAT IS EXPECTED OF SOMETHING LIKE MUSEUM REACH, MISSION REACH, ET CETERA. SO AS A FOLLOW UP, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PARKING LOT, HOW MUCH OF THIS IS THE CURRENT BUILDING? SO I, I'M GONNA LET TOMMY ANSWER THAT ONE. I'M GONNA TRY TO APPROXIMATELY DRAW, AND I WASN'T PART OF THE D R C, SO I WAS ALSO HOPING TO HEAR THAT. AND THEN, UM, JUST THE LAST QUESTION, UM, WAS THIS APPLICATION IS, AND I'M TOTALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM A, WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS, YOU'RE ASKING, AND I THINK YOUR APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED AS ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, NOT LOSS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OR CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. WE'RE [01:50:01] NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THAT. IS THERE'S NOTHING IN YOUR APPLICATION ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. UH, SO PER THE U D C, UM, WHEN AN APPLICATION'S RECEIVED FOR DEMOLITION OF A HISTORIC LANDMARK, THE U D C SETS FORTH CRITERIA FOR AN APPLICANT TO PROVE AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. THE COMMISSION BY EVALUATING THE APPLICATION, CAN DETERMINE A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE, WHETHER IT'S ARCHITECTURAL OR STRUCTURAL, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP CRITERIA. YEAH, WE CAN, THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT SPECIFIC APPLICATION. SO I MEAN, THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION STANDS AS IT IS, BUT THE COMMISSION CAN EVALUATE WHAT'S WITHIN THAT APPLICATION TO DETERMINE A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. AND MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION WHENEVER YOU WANT ONE. YEAH, I DID WANNA ASK TOMMY TO SPEAK A LITTLE MORE TO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING SINCE HE'S BEEN MORE INVOLVED. SO, SO I APOLOGIZE. SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE DID RECEIVE THIS PROPERTY, UH, AGAIN, WE DID COME IN, WE DID AN ADDITIONAL VALUATION OF IT. I BELIEVE THE CITY, MY UNDERSTANDING, HAD ABANDONED USE OF IT. THEY HAD SOME KIND OF OPERATIONAL SUPPORT THROUGH JUST STORAGE, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU. UH, AND TALKING WITH THEM AND, AND, UH, DOING AN INITIAL INSPECTION WITH SOME OF OUR ENGINEERS, UH, WE HAD DETERMINED THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT WAS STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. UH, AS FAR AS LOOKING INTO AND INVESTIGATING OPPOR OPPORTUNITIES TO USE AS AN OFFICE FACILITY OR SOME, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AGAIN, UH, PABLO'S OFFICIAL REPORT, WE HAD OTHERS PRIOR TO PABLO, UH, BACK IN 2019 WHEN THE GRAND OPENING OF SAN PEDRO CREEK, PHASE 1.1 TO WHERE THAT COST INVESTMENT INTO REALLY TRYING TO BE ABLE TO STABILIZE, SALVAGE THIS, UH, THIS, THIS HOUSE AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT FOR AN OFFICE SPACE JUST REALLY DID NOT DEEM ITSELF, UH, AS FAR AS A POSSIBILITY, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH Y'ALL, UH, SINCE, UH, SINCE WE, SINCE, AGAIN, SINCE WE RECEIVED IT, WE DID COME IN, UH, THE BOARDED UP THE WINDOWS PER REQUEST THROUGH O H P. UH, WE, WE, UH, BOARDED UP THE RENT WINDOWS, REALLY SECURED THE PROPERTY, UH, AND JUST MADE SURE THAT REALLY TRIED TO MINIMIZE ANY TYPE OF, UH, WATER TO MIGRATE IN HERE. UH, ELECTRIC, WHEN WE RECEIVED IT, THE ELECTRICITY HAS BEEN ALREADY REMOVED FROM THE STRUCTURE, WATER HAS BEEN REMOVED AND GAS HAS BEEN REMOVED AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS THEN? UH, COMMISSIONER GRIB, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, I THINK, UM, I MEAN, LOOKING AT IT FROM, UM, OUR PURVIEW AND HOW THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE, AND I THINK STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT. UM, I WOULD MOVE FOR DENIAL, UM, UNLESS THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION. BUT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THIS, UM, TO ME, THIS, THIS WOULD REQUIRE, I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS FOR THIS BUILDING OTHER THAN DEMOLISHING. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT, UM, THIS SHOULD BE DENIED BECAUSE I'M, THE THING THAT STICKS OUT TO ME IS THE, UM, IS THE HARDSHIP AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE PRESENTATION, AND I, I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING THERE, UM, CONCERNING THAT. SO I AGREE THAT I THINK STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT AND, UM, ACCORDING TO THE, UM, THE U D C, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN MET THERE. SO I, UM, I THINK THERE WAS A APPROPRIATE MOTION AND, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I THINK WE'D NEED TO SEE SOME EVIDENCE ABOUT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COST OF REPAIRS WOULD BE TO, TO, TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS THIS AT ALL. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SUFFICIENT INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, UH, THAT THAT WOULD SUFFICE FOR A, AN ARGUMENT OF HARDSHIP, ECONOMIC HARDSHIP COMMISSIONERS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS A STUDY THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, JUST SO THAT THAT IS NOTED, THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE POSTED WITH THE AGENDA. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? UH, NOTHING EXCEPT THAT I WOULD AGREE WITH THE MOTION AS STATED. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE, THE, UH, THE ENGINEERING ESTIMATE. SO THERE IS A COST ANALYSIS HERE. I'M LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING ESTIMATE OF PROBABLE COST FOR RESTORATION. CAN YOU CLARIFY, UH, EDWARD, WHAT THE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP PORTION WOULD BE ON THAT? SO, UM, ONE THING THAT IT, I THINK IT MAY BE MOST, UH, HELPFUL IF I READ STAFF'S FINDINGS ON THIS, UH, BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES A CLEAR, UH, I CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. THAT'S FINE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT. COMMISSIONER FISH. UH, I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. I THINK THE LEGAL ISSUES, UH, REGARDING THE CONVEYANCE OF THE [01:55:01] LAND OR BEYOND THE SCOPE AND CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMISSION HERE, AND, AND I CAN APPRECIATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS RELATED TO THAT. I, I ALSO THINK THAT THE, THE SURFACE PARKING AS A REPLACEMENT PLAN IS ABOUT THE, THE WORST KIND OF REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT WE CAN CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING DEMOLITION. UH, THAT SAID, I DO CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST THAT THE STRUCTURE, THE STRUCTURAL FAILURE IN THE BRICK IS KIND OF BEYOND A REASONABLE STATE OF REHABILITATION, UM, AND IS TANTAMOUNT TO A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. SO IT'S WITH RESERVATION AND KIND OF DISAPPOINTMENT THAT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. THANK YOU. ANYTHING TO ADD? COMMISSIONER GROUP? I THINK IT WAS JUST, I WANTED TO CLARIFY. UM, FINDING E I THINK WAS VERY IMPORTANT. UM, I, I MEAN, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY HAVE THAT ONE BID, RIGHT? AND NORMALLY WE HAVE SEEN IN OTHER CASES, AND I REALLY WANNA BE LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IN OUR OTHER DEMOLITION CASES, IS WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL BIDS OR DIFFERENT ENGINEERING REPORTS FROM DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRMS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE THE SAME WAY THAT WE'VE DONE WITH ANY OTHER CASE IN THE PAST CAN, SORRY, . UH, SO WE DID NOT THINK IT, UH, PRUDENT TO ASK ENTITIES TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DID NOT INTEND TO DO. IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK FOR THESE COMPANIES TO PUT THOSE TOGETHER. UH, SO WE TRUSTED OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, WHO HAS EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS, IN ASSESSING AND TO COME TOGETHER WITH AN ESTIMATE. WE DO A LOT OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT, WE DO A LOT OF THESE ESTIMATES. AND SO MOST, MOST LIKELY, UM, A LOT OF OURS HAVE ACTUALLY COME IN UNDER WHAT IS TYPICAL. BUT TOMMY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THAT. AND, UH, JUST I DID WANT, I DID WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, AS, AS OCHI HAD MENTIONED, WE TALKED TO SEVERAL VENDORS TO LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF IT TO SEE IF THEY'D GIVE US A QUOTE EVEN ON THE FOUNDATION. AND WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CHARGE JUST TO HAVE FOLKS COME OUT AND GIVE US A QUOTE ON THE FOUNDATION, UH, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU. SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, WHY WE WERE RELIED UPON OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, HE'S A LICENSED ENGINEER WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WE RELIED UPON HIS ASSESSMENT ON OF THIS. AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO SALVAGE THE SALVAGE PLAN AND WE DID, UH, BRING FOLKS OUT AND BE ABLE TO, UH, IDENTIFY THAT THERE ARE SOME SALVAGEABLE OPPORTUNITIES HERE. AND WE WERE WILLING TO OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THAT AND, AND, UH, ALLOW THAT TO PERFORM UPON, UH, THE SAFETY MEASURES OF IT. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS IS REALLY A HIGH CONCERN AND A SAFETY ISSUE FOR US. SO WE REALLY WANTED TO, EVEN, EVEN IF THE APPROVAL WAS TODAY TO, TO, UH, BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH THE HOME, BUT WE HAD, WE WENT THROUGH THE SALVAGE PLAN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, IT, IT'LL BE SAFE FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO ENTER IN INTO THAT. AND, UH, WITH THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON. THIS IS NOT AS IN DEPTH AS OUT OF HOPE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, FOR YOU GUYS. BUT, UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UH, AS THEY WALKED THROUGH THE HOME, THEY WERE UNABLE TO REALLY GIMME SOME EXACT LINEAR FOOTAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT UNTIL HE SAID THAT THEY WERE ABLE, ABLE TO ACTUALLY START REMOVING SOME OF THAT TO SEE, UH, WHAT THE INTEGRITY AND THE QUALITY OF THAT MATERIAL WAS. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT THERE WAS A SALVAGE AND REUSE OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND WE DO TAKE OUR, WE DO TAKE OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A TAXING ENTITY VERY SERIOUSLY. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BEING VERY REASONABLE WITH OUR EXPENDITURE OF ANY TAX DOLLARS. 'CAUSE THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD BE, UM, HAVING TO UTILIZE FOR THIS. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, AND I KNOW THAT PROJECTS LIKE THIS ARE DIFFICULT. UM, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON THIS BUILDING OBVIOUSLY HAS BEEN A ONGOING FOR DECADES, NOT JUST FROM, UH, BEFORE, UH, SARAH GOT IT, BUT PROBABLY WAY BEFORE THAT FROM THE CITY AND POSSIBLY THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEFORE THAT. UH, AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, THAT WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE HAVE THESE, UH, DISCUSSIONS AND TALKING ABOUT THE LOSS OF THESE HISTORIC PROPERTIES. UM, [02:00:01] BUT UH, WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE TODAY, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. SO NOW I WILL HA CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. VOTE GIBBS. AYE. FISH NAY. SABINAS RECUSED. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? NO. AND ZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. MOTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 9 4 6 20. LABOR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, PERFORM REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK TO INCLUDE ROOF REPLACEMENTS, STUCCO REPAIR, AND PAINTING TO PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT. THAT IS THE WEST FACADE TO INCLUDE MODIFYING THE EXISTING NON NON-ORIGINAL STOREFRONT SYSTEM OPENINGS AND CREATING NEW CONTEMPORARILY SIZED OPENINGS IN THE LOCATIONS OF HISTORIC OPENINGS. REPLACING THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL GLASS BLOCK WITH WIRE MESH LATTICE, INSTALLING NEW, A NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM IN THE EXISTING DOUBLE WIDTH OPENING AND THE REMOVAL OF A NON-ORIGINAL AWNING AND INSTALLATION OF NEW AWNINGS. THREE. PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE SOUTH FACADE TO INCLUDE INSTALLING TWO NEW STOREFRONT SYSTEM OPENINGS TO REPLACE AN EXISTING TRANSOM HEIGHT WINDOW AND DOUBLE WITH DOOR INSTALLING WELDED WIRE MESH LATTICE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GLASS BLOCKS AND INSTALLING A NEW ENTRANCE AWNING. FOUR PERFORMED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE EAST IS THE REAR FACADE, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF A NORTH FACING DOOR OPENING, THE REMOVAL OF TWO EXISTING WINDOW OPENINGS AND ONE DOOR OPENING. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO INSTALL TWO NEW WINDOW OPENINGS AND ONE NEW DOOR OPENING IN THEIR PLACE. FIVE. CONSTRUCT A ROOFTOP ADDITION TO AN EXISTING ROOFTOP ADDITION TO FEATURE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 350 SQUARE FEET. AND SIX, REPLACE THE EXISTING FRONT YARD FENCE AND CONSTRUCT A REAR C M U WALL ALONG THE REAR. THAT IS THE EAST PROPERTY LINE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, REHABILITATIVE SCOPES OF WORK BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE PROPOSED STUCCO REPAIR BE DONE IN KIND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT. THAT IS THE WEST FACADE BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE AT THE STOREFRONT MODIFICATIONS BE BASED ON HISTORIC AND EXISTING EVIDENCE, AND THAT THE NEW FENESTRATION MATCHED HISTORIC CONFIGURATIONS AND PROFILES, INCLUDING THE ACCIDENT TRANSOM WINDOWS TWO, THAT A REPLACEMENT CANOPY BE INSTALLED TO MATCH THE PROFILE AND LOCATION OF THE ORIGINAL CANOPY. AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A TRADITIONALLY PROFILED ENTRANCE STORE WITHIN THE EXISTING ADDITION ON THE FRONT FACADE THAT FEATURES A PROFILE AND APPEARANCE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE. UH, AND FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED METAL WIRE MESH. THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ENTRANCE ELEMENTS THAT FEATURES PROFILE AND APPEARANCE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE. TWO, THAT IN, IN LIEU OF WELDED WIRE MESH, THE APPLICANT PRESENT ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS FOR FENESTRATION MATERIALS THAT ARE IN MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC MATERIAL PALLET. AND THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENT ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED METAL WIRE MESH. FOUR STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EAST, THE REAR, THAT IS THE EAST FACADE BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ENTRANCE IN STOREFRONT ELEMENTS THAT FEATURE PRO A PROFILE AND APPEARANCE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON THE STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ROOFTOP ADDITION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WINDOWS AND DOORS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOW FOR FOR WINDOWS AS NOTED IN THE FINDINGS AND APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER SIX, THE INSTALLATION OF SITE WALLS AND FENCING BASED ON FINDINGS I AND THROUGH AND J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT YARD FENCING ALONG THE WEST, NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT. BE TRANSPARENT AND FEATURE MATERIALS IN A PROFILE CONSISTENT WITH FI FENCING FOUND TRADITIONALLY IN THE DISTRICT. AND TWO, THAT THE APP THAT THE PROPOSED REAR WALL TRANSITION TO A FENCE NOT TO EXCEED FOUR FEET AND HEIGHT AT THE SOUTH FACADE OF THE STRUCTURE ON THE SITE. THE PROPOSED FENCING SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT AND FEATURE MATERIALS IN A PROFILE CONSISTENT WITH FENCING FOUND TRADITIONALLY IN THE AREA. UH, THE APPLICANT, EVAN MORRIS IS HERE. UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY AGREE WITH AND SOME THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ON. UH, THERE'S A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS FROM THE LE BACA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS OR APPLICANTS HERE IN PERSON TO SPEAK. UM, WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION FOR, UM, LETTING US COME. UH, [02:05:01] IF THAT SOUNDED NUANCED, IT'S BECAUSE IT IS, UM, SO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, AND UNDERSTANDING THE BUILDING. UM, I'M EVAN MORRIS, UM, PRACTICING ARCHITECT AT LAKE PLATO. UM, AND SO, UH, TODAY WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SIX 20 LABOR STREET. IT'S A BUILDING, COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY IN 1935, AND WE'VE GOT SOME IMAGES OF, OF, UH, OF THE BUILDING. UM, IN THAT TIME. UM, THE BUILDING WAS, UH, MOST RECENTLY USED, UH, BY, BY PETER ZUBIE AND KATIE PELL AS ART STUDIOS FOR THEM AND A RESIDENCE. AND SO THE, THE NEW OWNERS, UH, MATT AND LIZ KLEBERG, WHO ARE HERE, UM, INTEND TO USE THE THE HOUSE IN THE SAME MANNER. THEY'RE BOTH ARTISTS AND TEND TO MAKE STUDIOS IN THE SPACE FOR THEMSELVES AND ALSO A HOME FOR THEIR FAMILY. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING IN ITS HISTORIC CONTEXT IS, IS ALMOST LOST. I MEAN, THE BUILDING HAS CHANGED A NUMBER OF TIMES AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE, THE ITERATIONS THAT HAVE COME SINCE ITS ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION IN 1935. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS A, A FAIRLY TRADITIONAL STEPPED FACADE MASONRY REBUILDING, UH, WITH A LARGE STOREFRONT FACING LABOR STREET. SO THAT'S TO THE WEST. UH, AND THEN CLEAR STORY WINDOWS ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SANDBORNE MAPS, UH, THE ORIGINAL ONES, UH, FROM 1937, BUT IT HAS A NOTE, UM, THAT THAT HAS THE 1935 CONSTRUCTION NOTED, UH, BY HAND THERE. AND WE KNOW FROM THE PLAQUE ON THE BUILDING THAT THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION DATE WAS 1935. UH, WE SEE THAT IN THE FIFTIES, THE FIRST EDITION WAS MADE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN, IN THE, KIND OF THE CURRENT PLAN, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT EDITION THERE IN THE SANBORN MAPS. UH, AND THEN FINALLY IN THE 1970S SANBORN MAPS, WE SEE THE MOST EXTENSIVE SORT OF ALTERATION AND ADDITION TO THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS AN ADDITION TO THE SOUTH SIDE. SO THE DIVINE STREET SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOW A, A SORT OF FRONT FACADE, NOT JUST TO LABOR, BUT TO DIVINE STREET. IT'S ON THE CORNER. UM, AND THAT ADDITION WAS NOT ONLY ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND MASONRY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, BUT IT ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING. THEY REMOVED THE STEP FACADE. THEY ACTUALLY DEMOLISHED A CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO INTRODUCE A, A ROUNDED KIND OF ART DECO QUALITY. AND THIS ALL HAPPENED, UM, IN THE MID 1960S OR LATE 1960S. UM, AND SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM IN 1935 IS, IS SORT OF UNRECOGNIZABLE, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT THAT REMAIN. UM, AND SO I THINK OVERALL THE PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE TODAY, UM, IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT RESTORING IT TO TO THIS PERIOD BECAUSE THAT ONE UNFORTUNATELY IS, IS SORT OF LOST. BUT, BUT THE, THE CURRENT BUILDING AS IT STANDS HAS ARCHITECTURAL QUALITIES. IT'S A HANDSOME BUILDING. UM, IT'S WELL CONSTRUCTED. ALL OF THE NEW ADDITIONS WERE MASONRY. AND SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT TRYING TO UNIFY THE HISTORIC BUILDING WITH THE ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THEN INTO A COHESIVE PROJECT, UM, THAT CELEBRATES THE MANY KIND OF FACETS OF, OF ITS HISTORY. UM, SO, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF CURRENT CONDITION OF THE BUILDING. UM, IT NEEDS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK, BOTH STRUCTURALLY, BUT ALSO FOR IT TO FUNCTION FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE OWNERS. UM, SO THE, THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS WERE, AND THANK YOU ED, UH, AND, AND HANNAH WHO CAME OUT AND DID SIDEWALKS WITH US AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME REVIEWING ALL OF THESE THINGS BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A SOMEWHAT NUANCED PROJECT, UH, WITH, WITH MANY LAYERS OF HISTORY AND ALTERATIONS. SO APPRECIATE THAT GUYS. UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ONE, TWO, AND SIX, UH, WERE THINGS THAT WE, WE AGREED WITH AND, AND FOUND, FOUND WERE APPROPRIATE AND, AND ARE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH, UH, WITH THE ONE EXCEPTION ON THE, ON THE FENCE, WHICH WAS THAT, UM, I SORT OF, UNTIL YOU HAD READ IT JUST NOW, I HAD UNDERSTOOD THAT THE FENCE TRANSITION, WE HAD PROPOSED A WALL ALONG THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WE HAD PROPOSED IT STEP AT THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE TO A FOUR FOOT TALL STUCCO SITE WALL. UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE A TRANSPARENT FENCE, UH, RATHER THAN A STUCCO SITE WALL STAFF FINDS THAT WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE GIVEN THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE FRONT YARD CONDITION RIGHT OF THE HOUSE. IT IS A SIDE YARD TO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO I THINK A, A NON-TRANSPARENT FENCE WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE. AND RATHER IN INTRODUCE A, A NON-TRANSPARENT FENCE, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THE LOW SITE WALL AT THE FENCE LEVEL TRANSPARENT FENCE AROUND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY THAT FACES THE STREET, BUT THAT THE, THE SIDE PROPERTY MAINTAIN A, A PRIVACY ELEMENT. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THE ONLY KIND OF STIPULATION AND, AND WE CAN ADDRESS THAT SEPARATELY. REALLY, I THINK THE, THE PIECE THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL MOST IS, IS ITEMS THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE, WHICH ALL HAVE TO DO WITH THE FENESTRATION OF THE BUILDING. SO THIS DIAGRAM, THAT'S A GREAT ONE. JUST PAUSE ON, AND THIS LOWER PORTION, THIS IS THE EXISTING ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS NOW AND IN GREEN, HAVE DASHED IN THE HISTORIC FACADE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE STEP IN THE PARAPET OF THE HISTORIC FACADE. YOU CAN ALSO SEE BELOW THAT, UH, THE, THE SQUARES ARE THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT [02:10:01] GLAZING. NOW, REMARKABLY, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY ALTERED THE BUILDING IN THE SIXTIES, THEY ADDED THESE CURVED, UH, CORNERS TO THE BUILDING, OR THEY ADDED ONE CURVE AND THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE. AND THEN THE SECOND, UH, ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS AN ENTIRELY NEW PORTION OF THE BUILDING. IT'S STEPPED BACK FROM THAT FRONT FACADE AND FEATURES THE SECOND CURVE. THEY ALSO REMOVED, EITHER REMOVED OR STUCCOED OVER THE EXISTING STOREFRONT WINDOWS. SO, UM, UH, LET'S SEE, ONE, THREE OR TWO OF THOSE STOREFRONT WINDOWS EXIST CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING. THEY HAVE STUCCO OVER THEM. THEM, THEY'RE ROTTING BECAUSE THEY WERE STUCCOED OVER. UM, AND THEN IN SOME CASES, THEY REMOVED THE EXISTING STOREFRONT WINDOWS AND REPLACED THEM WITH THE SCALLOPED OVAL WINDOWS. AND SO, AGAIN, THIS HAPPENED IN THE 1960S. UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO REMOVE THE WINDOWS WAS NOT DONE VERY WELL. SO IT'S STUCCO OVER THOSE WINDOWS EXIST, THEY'RE BELOW. IN THAT CASE, WE HAVE PROPOSED REMOVING THE NON HISTORIC STUCCO, RESTORING THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT WINDOWS IN THE LOCATIONS THAT THEY WERE HISTORICALLY. UM, IN THE CASE OF THE, THE ONES THAT OVERLAP WITH THE SCALLOPED WINDOW ON THE EAST PORTION OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS SCREEN, WE'VE, WE'VE PROPOSED REMOVING THE NON HISTORIC SCALLOP WINDOW AND ACTUALLY, UH, UH, REINTRODUCING THOSE OPENINGS IN THE EXISTING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BLOCKED OVER RIGHT NOW IN C M U, BUT THOSE OPENINGS EXIST. THE LENTILS ARE STILL THERE. SO WE WOULD JUST REMOVE THE BLOCK AND REINTRODUCE THOSE WINDS WINDOWS IN THEIR HISTORIC LOCATIONS. UM, THE, THE PORT, THE ENTIRE PORTION ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS NON HISTORIC. AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S AN ADDITION THAT WAS MADE IN THE 1960S AND, UH, AND THERE HAD BEEN A NUMBER OF MODIFICATIONS SINCE THEN, INCLUDING TO THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE EXISTING TRANSOM HEIGHT WINDOWS WERE, WERE REMOVED AND BLOCKED OVER. THOSE LENTILS STILL EXIST. AND SO IN THOSE CASES HERE ON THE SOUTH FACADE, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT GREEN DASH LINE OF THE OLD, IT'S A, IT'S NON HISTORIC 'CAUSE IT WAS BUILT IN THE SIXTIES, BUT THAT LINE, THAT DATU WOULD'VE ALIGNED TO THE TRANSOMS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO WE'VE PROPOSED RAISING THAT, UH, THAT OPENING TO ITS ORIGINAL HEIGHT THAT ALIGNS TO THE HISTORIC OPENING AND THE HISTORIC TRANSOM HEIGHT. UM, AND IN THIS CASE, WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED A, A MATCHING OPENING. UH, UH, THAT TAKES OUT THAT THE, THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE, THE SMALL TRANSOM WINDOW, SMALL CLEAR STORY WINDOW, UH, THAT YOU CAN SEE JUST TO THE WEST. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT IN THE PROPOSED ELEVATION. UM, BUT A SECOND OPENING, UH, AT THE PROPOSED ELEVATION, UH, TO CREATE SOME SYMMETRY IN THAT FACADE TO, TO CLARIFY, AND THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT ED HAD AND, AND SO I'M SORRY IF THE, THE DRAWINGS DIDN'T READ CORRECTLY, BUT THE, THE SORT OF BLANK WHITE SPACE THAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP OF THOSE OPENINGS IS AN AWNING. AND SO THE, THERE IS A FULL HEIGHT OPENING BEYOND THAT, THAT BLANK WHITE SPACE. UM, UH, SO TO ADJUST THE, THE GLASS BLOCK IS THE OTHER PIECE. BOTH GLASS BLOCK FACADES OR CURVED PORTIONS OF GLASS BLOCK WERE INTRODUCED IN THE SIXTIES, ONE TO A NON HISTORIC ADDITION. THE OTHER, UH, AFTER THEY DEMOLISHED THE HISTORIC CORNER OF THE BUILDING TO INTRODUCE THIS. UM, AND WHILE I APPRECIATE THAT, THE CURVES ARE ACTUALLY QUITE HANDSOME AND THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL QUALITY OF THE BUILDING AS IT IS TODAY. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT HISTORIC AND NOT ORIGINAL. AND SO THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT IT'S NOT, THE GLASS BLOCK SPECIFICALLY IS NOT SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE, THE FUTURE PROGRAM, WHICH IS A RESIDENCE OF FAMILY HOME AND STUDIOS FOR BOTH MATT AND LIZ, AND THAT THEY'RE NON OPERABLE. THEY'RE NOT VERY HIGH PERFORMANCE, UM, AND, UH, AND THEY DON'T MEET EGRESS REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T OPEN. AND SO WE HAVE PROPOSED REMOVING THE NON HISTORIC GLASS BLOCK, UM, AND SET BACK FROM THAT GLASS BLOCK INTRODUCING A NEW CURTAIN WALL SYSTEM. SO THAT'S A CUSTOM STEEL AND GLASS, UH, WINDOW WALL. AND SO THAT WOULD BE OPERABLE TO THE LIVING SPACES AND INTO THE PRIMARY BEDROOM, UH, INTO WHAT WOULD BECOME A SORT OF INTERNALIZED PORCH. SO YOU'D GET AN ENTRY CONDITION THAT'S COVERED TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. IT HELPS AGAIN, WITH A KIND OF AN EGRESS CONDITION. IT ALSO HELPS PROTECT THIS CORNER, WHICH IS BEYOND THE SETBACK, VERY CLOSE TO LABOR STREET, TO CREATE SOME PRIVACY AND ALSO TO CREATE A, AN, AN ENTRY CONDITION, UH, INTO THE RESIDE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT. NOW, THE GLASS BLOCK IS DOING SOMETHING THAT, THAT I FIND IMPORTANT, WHICH IS ARCHITECTURALLY, IT'S HOLDING THAT CORNER, IT'S CREATING THAT SHAPE. UM, AND SO IN, IN PLACE OF THE GLASS BLOCK, WE'VE PROPOSED A, A WELDED WIRE MESH, SO A METAL LATTICE THAT SORT OF, UH, CALLS THE SHAPE AND THE PATTERNING OF THE GLASS BLOCK, BUT IS TRANSPARENT AND ULTIMATELY WOULD BE A STRUCTURE THAT THINGS COULD GROW ON, UH, AND, AND SHADE THOSE PORCH CONDITIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE. UM, THE, AND THEN THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION ON, ON, I CAN'T REMEMBER, I THINK IT'S NUMBER ITEM FOUR WAS ON THE CANOPY. SO IF WE WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PHOTO OF THE BUILDING, WE SAW A REALLY KIND OF TRADITIONAL CANOPY SHAPE ACROSS THE SOUTHERN, OR EXCUSE ME, THE WESTERN STOREFRONT. UM, THAT CANOPY, IF WE WERE TO INSTALL IT IN, ITS IN ITS, UH, [02:15:01] ORIGINAL SIZE AND LOCATION WOULD EXTEND BEYOND THE CURVED PORTION OF THE BUILDING. SO ARCHITECTURALLY, I DON'T FIND IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE BUILDING'S CURRENT STATE. UM, BUT THE BUILDING NOW HAS NOT ONLY A WESTERN, UM, UH, FRONT, BUT IT ALSO HAS A SOUTHERN FRONT. UH, SO THE TWO SIDES ORIENTATIONS TO THE SUN, WE, WE NEED THE MOST SORT OF SOLAR PROTECTION FROM. SO THE IDEA IS TO INTRODUCE A CANOPY AT EATON AT INDIVIDUAL OPENINGS RATHER THAN A LARGE CANOPY. UH, SO NOT THE HISTORIC, UH, SHADING DEVICE, BUT ONE THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND WAS CERTAINLY PRESENT IN THE HISTORIC ERA. AND, AND REALLY IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO INTRODUCE, UM, A SHADING DEVICE THAT UNIFIES THE PROJECT, UM, BOTH THE, THE CONTEMP MORE CONTEMPORARY PIECES OF THE PROJECT, AND OF COURSE THE HISTORIC PIECE. UM, THE OTHER FINDING FROM, FROM STAFF WAS ABOUT THE PROFILE OF THE WINDOWS, SO THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. UM, THE, IF WE GO BACK TO THAT PHOTO, WHENEVER YOU HAVE A A SECOND ED ON THE HISTORIC WINDOWS, THE LOWER PORTION OF THE HISTORIC OPENINGS, UH, ARE STEEL. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD. UM, SO THOSE LOWER PORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC WINDOWS ARE STEEL. WE, WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL, BUT BASED ON THE PHOTO THAT WE HAVE, I, I DO THINK IT IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO PAINTED TRIM ON THE ENTIRE LOWER PORTIONS OF THE HISTORIC PHOTO. IT ALL APPEARS BLACK. AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IF IT WERE THESE THIN MOENS, BUCK GLAZED AND, AND, UM, AND STEEL. UH, SO I, I DO THINK THIS IS HISTORIC. THE UPPER WINDOWS ARE, ARE PRETTY WOOD PROFILES, AND THEN YOU, WE GET THIS KIND OF SEVEN AND A QUARTER INCH PRETTY TRADITIONAL, UM, DIVISION, TRIM DIVISION BETWEEN THE LOWER AND UPPER PORTIONS OF THE WINDOW. UM, AND SO WHILE WE APPRECIATE THAT, CERTAINLY OUR PROPOSAL IS TO MAKE THE, THE OPENING A, A SINGLE OPENING AND IN CUSTOM STEEL WINDOWS TO MATCH A STEEL STOREFRONT. SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE, WE ARE USING THE LOWER THE LANGUAGE OF THE LOWER PORTION OF THE WINDOW, WE ARE EXTENDING IT ALL THE WAY TO THE FULL HEIGHT. UM, AND THEN, AND THEN ON ALL OF THE PROPOSED OPENINGS ON THE SOUTH FACADE, UH, WE'VE PROPOSED THE SAME CUSTOM STEEL SYSTEM. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A COMPROMISE BETWEEN A, A PART OF WHAT WAS THERE AND OF COURSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN. AND, AND AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO CREATE AND USE ARCHITECTURAL DEVICES THAT CREATE COHESION BETWEEN THE NEW AND THE OLD, UH, OR THE SOMEWHAT NEWER AND THE OLD. UM, SO THAT'S THE WINDOW PROFILES. DID WE, UM, COVER ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET TO SOME QUESTIONS? ED? I GENERALLY THINK THAT'S IT, BUT IF ANYTHING COMES UP, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. OKAY. UM, SO YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING IN SPECIFIC OR GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT OKAY. THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. UM, YES. QUESTION FOR YOU ON SLIDE NUMBER 32, MAYBE THIS IS THE LA YES. THE LAST MM-HMM. , LAST PAGE, YOUR, UH, PROPOSED WEST ELEVATION, YOU SHOW YOUR STOREFRONT IN PLACE. UM, IS THAT THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE ORIGINAL OR ? YES. ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE THE, THE APERTURES ARE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MIDDLE ONE THAT HAS THE ENTRY DOORS. MM-HMM. , THAT ONE WAS THE FACADE ACTUALLY BEVELED IN. RIGHT. AND SO THAT ONE IS IN THE LOCATION AND THE SIZE, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE BEVEL IN THE FACADE, THE SORT OF INDENTATION INTO THE BUILDING. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. UM, NUANCED IS A GOOD WORD FOR THIS ONE BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF LAYERS TO THIS ONION, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE REALLY PEELED BACK THOSE LAYERS AND, AND I THINK YOU, UH, HAVE A, A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE I DO MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF IT. BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, BECAUSE IT IS GONE THROUGH SO MANY ITERATIONS AND SO MANY MODIFICATIONS AND ADDITIONS OVER TIME, THAT A, UM, A HOLISTIC REWORKING OF THE PROPERTY, I THINK IS, IS APPROPRIATE. AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING IT IN A, IN AN OVERALL, OVERALL SYM SYMPATHETIC MANNER. UM, AND SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, THE PROP THE, THE PROJECT AS, UH, PRESENTED TODAY WITH THE IDEA THAT THOSE, UM, THE STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND SIX BEING INCORPORATED INTO, UM, INTO THE DESIGN, WHICH YOU, YOU HAVE SAID THAT YOU WILL DO. THAT'S ALL CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE WIRE MESH, BUT, UH, STAFF DOES HAVE ANY STIPULATION TO FIND ANOTHER TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, MATERIAL JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE USUALLY SEE. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OTHER TYPES OF MATERIAL? YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT GOES IN THOSE CORNERS OR IN THOSE CURVES IS THAT, UM, IT SHOULD CREATE A [02:20:01] SPACE FOR THE PORCHES, RIGHT? THESE ARE OUTDOOR SPACES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENTRY SPACES. AND SO THINGS THAT ARE PERMEABLE TO BREEZES AND TO AIRFLOW IS, IS PART OF THAT KIND OF CRITERIA, AT LEAST. I MEAN, OUR CRITERIA AS DESIGNERS AND THE OWNERS. UM, AND, UH, AND THEN WE LIKED THE WIRE MESH BECAUSE AGAIN, FROM A PATTERNING AND A GRAPHIC STANDPOINT, IT IMPLIED THE GLASS BLOCK, UH, IN A WAY THAT'S A SORT OF A NEGATIVE OF WHAT THE GLASS BLOCK IS. UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT MATERIAL, DO MOCKUPS IF POSSIBLE, AND SHOW IT TO COMMISSION. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT MATERIAL FOR THE PROJECT, AND WE'LL HAVE THE RIGHT QUALITY. UM, BUT DEFINITELY RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL APPLICATION OF THAT MATERIAL, AND SO WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO KIND OF DO MOCKUPS AND, AND TO SHOW YOU ALL MORE. WELL, AND I THINK DETAILS. SO MY QUESTION WAS, I DO UNDERSTAND THE GLASS BLOCK, LIKE AROUND IN THAT ROUNDED PART OF THE BUILDING. WHY ARE YOU PUTTING IT ON THE, WAS THERE ALSO GLASS BLOCK ON THAT LEFT SIDE OF IT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO? YEAH. SO THE BUILDING CURVES, AND SO ON THE SOUTH FACADE WE GET THE, SO THIS IS, SO THAT'S TECHNICALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THE BOTH OF THESE IMAGES ARE OF THE SOUTH FACADE. SO JUST AS THEY CURVE AROUND TO THE SOUTH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. AND YOU'RE DOING A WINDOW FENESTRATION THAT HAS LIKE, LIKE WINDOW PANELS THAT GO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, ALL CLEAR WITH METAL. THAT WAS LIKE, HOW, HOW WIDE? YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A, I DON'T IF IT'S, SO WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE, THE, THE THREE PART RHYTHM OF THE HISTORIC OPENINGS. THEY HAVE THREE TRANSOM WINDOWS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE'VE LOCATED THE MULLINS. I'D RATHER SEE THAT THAN EVEN PUTTING A WIRE ON THERE, RIGHT? AND SO WE COULD PUT GLASS IN THEM, RIGHT? AND SO GLASS WOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT OBVIOUSLY COULD MEET THE EGRESS REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FACILITATE THE PORCH QUALITY THAT WE'VE CREATED. AND SO, UM, NOW WHETHER WE CONSTRUCT A, UM, A METAL FRAME FOR SOMETHING, AGAIN, MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S A METAL FRAME THAT, THAT SUPPORTS THE, THE METAL LATTICE THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT SAME KIND OF RHYTHM. BUT BECAUSE THOSE METAL FRAMES DIDN'T EXIST IN THOSE OPENINGS, IT DIDN'T FEEL EXACTLY AS APPROPRIATE. BUT IT, BUT AGAIN, I, I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THAT GENERATION OF A CONSISTENT LANGUAGE IN THE MULLIS, UM, , I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT IN DISCUSSION YET, SO, OH, WAIT. QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER MAZUA? UH, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. I JUST, UM, I AM HEARTENED TO HEAR THAT THIS BUILDING IS BEING LOVINGLY CARED FOR YEAH. AND THAT IT'S GONNA BE A HOME FOR TWO ARTISTS AND THEIR FAMILY. I THINK THAT THAT DOES IT HONOR? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER FISH, ONE QUESTION. IF THE GLASS BLOCK WERE TO BE RETAINED, WHAT OTHER WAYS COULD YOU MEET THE USE OBJECTIVES IN THOSE SPACES? WHAT OTHER WAYS HAVE YOU EXPLORED TO MEET YEAH. SO YOUR OBJECTIVES. YEAH. UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO KIND OF, UH, SHOW HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE. I MEAN, ONE OF THE CHALLENGING THINGS ARCHITECTURALLY ABOUT WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL USE IS THAT WAREHOUSES ARE TYPICALLY BIG WIDE BUILDINGS, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE A REALLY LIMITED AMOUNT OF EXTERIOR SPACE TO DEAL WITH, RIGHT? AND SO ALL BEDROOMS ARE TYPICALLY PUSHED TO THE OUTSIDE. AND THINGS LIKE BATHROOMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE EGRESS AND EVEN MORE PRACTICALLY REQUIRE LESS NATURAL LIGHT OR, OR THAT KIND OF THING, STORAGE AND WHATNOT GET PUSHED TO THE CORE OF THE BUILDING. AND SO IN THIS CASE, IT IS, IT HAS THAT QUALITY. SO THE, THE EXTERIOR FACADE AND THE, THE PARTS OF THE BUILDING, THE INSIDE PARTS OF THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT TOUCH THOSE EXTERIOR WALLS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR BEDROOMS AND FOR, FOR LIVING SPACES. AND SO, UH, YOU ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN, IN YOUR ABILITY TO RECONFIGURE THOSE SPACES AND PUT THEM IN OTHER, IN OTHER LOCATIONS. UM, AND I THINK CERTAINLY WE COULD MAINTAIN THE PORCH CONDITION THAT WE HAVE CREATED. AND IT, I THINK IT CREATES A, A RESIDENTIAL QUALITY TO THE ENTRY, UM, THAT I THINK SUPPORTS THE, THE PROGRAM AND THE, AND THE USE OF THE OWNERS. UM, AND IF WE COULD REMOVE A PORTION OF THE GLASS BLOCK, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. UM, BUT I THINK WHEN WE EXPLORED THAT OPTION, IT, IT FELT LIKE IT WAS, UM, IT WAS A COMPROMISE IN THE WAY THAT REMOVING IT AND REPLACING IT WITH A, UM, A MORE SUCCESSFUL MATERIAL WE FELT WAS STRONGER. BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE, UM, TWO PORCHES MM-HMM. . AND, UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU THAT THE SIXTIES IS HISTORIC TWO YEARS AGO. YEAH. , UM, MAKING THEM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE INTERIOR SPACES, MAKING THEM BASICALLY COVERED OUTDOOR SPACES, ESPECIALLY THE LITTLE, UH, BEDROOM PORCH. UM, HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH, UH, RAIN AND, [02:25:01] AND THE ELEMENTS COMING INTO THERE AND, UH, PROTECTING THE INTERIOR FINISHES AND THEN, UH, RAINWATER AND THAT GETTING OUT? YEAH. UM, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO, SO EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOW EXTERIOR OPEN TO OPEN TO AIR, RIGHT, OPEN AIR SPACES, THE ROOF REMAINS AS IT IS. SO WE'RE NOT EXPOSING THE, THE ROOF, UH, AT ALL, ALL. UM, AND THEN, UH, ON THE, ON THE INTERIOR SIDE, LUCKILY THE, SO THE WALL, IF YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT KIND OF THIS WALL RIGHT HERE. OKAY. MAYBE YOU COULD JUST DRAW WITH YOUR CURSOR. OKAY. SO THAT WALL THAT HE'S DRAWING THAT YOU CAN SEE EXTENDS TO THAT FRONT FACADE, THAT'S THE HISTORIC MASONRY, STUCCO, EXTERIOR FACADE OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, RIGHT? SO IF WE WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PHOTO OF THE BUILDING, YOU WOULD SEE THOSE LITTLE TRANSOM WINDOWS MARCHING ALONG, OR ACTUALLY ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IT WAS AN EXTERIOR WALL. AND SO IT'S HAPPY TO BE AN EXTERIOR WALL AGAIN. SO, RIGHT. SO THAT EXTERIOR PORCH BASICALLY GOES AS FAR BACK AS THAT FIRST TRANSOM. SO THAT IS A, A SORT OF A WATERPROOFED EXTERIOR ENVELOPE CONDITION. UM, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST ABOUT A, A PIECE OF BLOCKING AT THE ROOF LEVEL, UM, THAT CREATES THAT, THAT, UM, THAT PROTECTION. UH, IT ALSO HAS A MUCH LESS EXPOSURE TO THE ELEMENTS BECAUSE THE, THE BLOCK IS IN THE CORNER. UM, I GUESS I'M JUST, UM, YES, THE ROOF'S ABOVE IT THERE, BUT THERE'S NO AWNINGS OR PROTECTION FOR WIND-DRIVEN RAIN. UM, SO I JUST SEE THESE AREAS AS BECOMING, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT VERY NICE WHEN WATER AND, AND LEAVES AND EVERYTHING GET IN THERE. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO WAY OUT, UH, THE ENTRY PORCH, YOU'VE GOT A, A LARGE ENTRY, UH, AND THAT SOUTH MOST, UH, UM, GLASS BLOCK DOES CURRENTLY HAVE A DOOR IN IT. MM-HMM. . SO IN TERMS OF EGRESS THAT WOULD, RIGHT. YOU MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THE SWING OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE, UH, REQUIRED EGRESS OUT OF THE, THAT SPACE. RIGHT? YEP. UM, OKAY. I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF ONE WANTS TO ATTEMPT ONE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED TODAY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND SIX. CAN I DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT BEFORE SEC OR SECONDING WITH AN AMENDMENT OR, UH, I'LL SECOND AND THEN MAYBE JUST ASK, 'CAUSE WE, SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UM, AND, AND, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT, IT'S JUST ADDING A STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT FURTHER, UH, EXPLORES THE IDEA OF THE WIRE MESH OR THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL TO KIND OF TREAT THOSE TWO ROUNDED WALLS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE, SO AS THE MOTION, OR I CAN MODIFY MY BASE MOTION, CAN I NOT? YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL RESTATE MY MOTION. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED TODAY WITH STIPULATIONS. HANG ON JUST A SECOND. WHERE I WAS, I WON TWO AND SIX, AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER, UM, UH, ALTERNATIVE CHOICES FOR THE TREATMENT OF THE ROUNDED PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING AND, AND WORK WITH STAFF. AND JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR, THE STIPULATION TO EXPLORE ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS TO THE, TO THE LATTICE, WHICH IS THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, IT ASSUMES THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THE GLASS BLOCK, RIGHT? YES. UH, IN STAFF IN THE REVIEW OF THIS, DID NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE BLOCK. UH, STAFF'S CONCERN WAS SIMPLY WITH WHAT THE REPLACEMENT WAS GONNA BE. OKAY, THANKS. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU WISH TO ADD ANYTHING? UH, NOT MUCH OTHER THAN TO REITERATE, I THINK THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF ALTERATIONS TO THIS STRUCTURE, AND I THINK THAT ALLOWS SOME, YOU KNOW, LEADWAY ON THE CONSOLIDATION RE REVISIONING OF, OF THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE. AND, AND I THINK I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE ARCHITECT'S UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE HISTORY OF THIS, THE CHANGES THAT HAS GONE THROUGH. AND I THINK THE, UM, THE APPROACH THAT HE'S, HE'S PROPOSING HERE IS, IS VERY SYMPATHETIC. COMMISSIONER GRU. WELL, AND I AGREE TO THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAD WAS TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT. IT'S NOT BEEN EXISTING SINCE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS. I DON'T SEE THAT BEING, I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE GUIDELINES, BUT I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN PRESENTED, [02:30:01] I THINK IS, IT'S KIND OF, I THINK IT WAS, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE IT'S BEEN BOARDED UP EVER SINCE. SO I REALLY LIKE ALSO THIS, UH, THIS, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE THE FLEXIBILITY COMES IN, RIGHT. IN THIS. SO I AGREE TO THAT. COMMISSIONER, UH, ZUKA, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NOTHING TO ADD COMMISSIONER FISH, I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION AS IT WAS STATED. THE ONE PART OF THIS THAT I'M A LITTLE BIT HUNG UP ON IS REALLY THE TREATMENT OF THE WALL ON THOSE ROUNDED CORNERS. UH, I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE WHOLESALE REMOVAL OF THE GLASS BLOCK AND SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE MATERIAL FOR ITS REPLACEMENT. THAT'S THE PIECE OF IT, THE ONLY PIECE OF IT RIGHT NOW THAT CONCERNS ME. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I'M GENERATING SUPPORT, UM, OF IT. I, I TOO APPRECIATE ALL THE, UM, THE WORK AND THE DETAIL THAT YOU WENT INTO IN, IN THE TUTOR PRESENTATION AND UNDER HELPING US UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CONDITION WAS AND, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TAKE THIS OLD BUILDING AND, AND, AND, AND TRANSFORM IT. LIKE THIS IS, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA. SO I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORTIVE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SINO? YES, THANK YOU. UM, I TOO AM GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING HOW, UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A RESTORATION, IT MAINTAINS LITTLE BITS AND PIECES OF EVERY, EVERY ERA IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CHARCUTERIE PLATE OF ARCHITECTURE ON THAT BLOCK. I DO WANNA SAY WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE MM-HMM. , WHICH IS THE STUCCO MM-HMM. IN KIND. UH, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN SOME INDICATION OF WHERE CONTROLLED JOINTS MAY GO MM-HMM. AND HOW THAT GETS BROKEN UP. 'CAUSE THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE RHYTHM OF THE STOREFRONT, HOW THE CURVES ARE TREATED, AND JUST, IT, IT CAN BE A UNIFYING THING. AND I'LL JUST ADD THAT IT CAN ALSO BE A WAY TO, UM, DEMARCATE PERHAPS WHERE THAT NORTH EDITION WAS ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL, RIGHT? YES. SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT RESTORING, YOU COULD RESTORE AGAIN, ANOTHER TYPE OF, UH, MEMORY MM-HMM. OF THE DIFFERENT VOLUMES BY, UM, UH, WORKING WITH THE CONTROL JOINTS IN YOUR STUCCO. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. SO, UM, OTHERWISE, UH, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT. THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A NATURALLY FORMED CONTROL JOINT THERE, BUT AN INTENTIONAL ONE, UH, WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK. UM, YES. WELL, I'M GLAD, UM, TO SEE THAT THE BUILDING IS GONNA GET, UH, A NEW LIFE AND, UH, CONTINUED USE. UM, OBVIOUSLY NINE SINCE OCCUPIED SINCE 1935. AND, UH, MOST RECENTLY WITH, UH, TWO, UM, LOCAL ARTISTS. AND THEN THE, THE NEW OWNERS ARE ARTISTS. I, I, UH, APPLAUD THEM FOR TAKING THIS PROJECT ON. UM, I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE MODIFICATIONS, UH, LIKE COMMISSIONER FISH, I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE WHOLESALE REMOVAL OF THE GLASS BLOCK. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE MOTION MAKER WOULD CONSIDER ANOTHER CHAIN CHANGE. I PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT ON THE MOTION, YOUR HONOR, MR. CHAIR, WE HAVE NOT, UM, TAKEN ACTION ON THE MOTION AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU, BUT WE COULD HAVE AN AMENDMENT BEFORE THE MOTION. YES. NO, YOU NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE MOTION THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECOND, AND I NEED DO AN AMENDED MOTION, BUT THE MOTION MAKER CAN, OKAY. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY WHAT I WAS, UM, IF THE, CAN THE MOTION MAKE, UH, ADJUST HIS MOTION AGAIN? HE MAY, HE MAY, WOULD THE MOTION MOTION MAKER CONSIDER PULLING THOSE TWO, UH, CURVED CORNERS OUT OF THE APPROVAL AND ALLOW THE APPLICANT AND OWNERS TO STUDY THOSE CORNERS FURTHER AND POSSIBLY COME BACK TO A D R C? UM, LOOKING AT IT FURTHER, THEY MAY, AND HEARING THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION HAS, THEY MAY CONSIDER, UH, KEEPING SOME OR ALL OF THE GLASS BLOCK. UM, YES. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, [02:35:01] I THINK SINCE THERE'S BEEN, UH, SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS THAT EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THAT, UM, I'M ALWAYS RETICENT TO LIKE, THROW TOO MUCH OFF ONTO STAFF TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH LATER. SO I, I THINK SINCE THIS IS AN ELEMENT THAT HAS COME UP SEVERAL TIMES WITH SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS, UM, I, I WOULD MODIFY MY, MY MOTION TO, UH, UH, TO READ THAT IT'S, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED TODAY WITH STIPULATIONS ONE, TWO, AND SIX. AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS, SORRY, I'VE ALREADY MOVED ON HERE. UM, THAT THE FINAL MATERIAL TREATMENT FOR THE CURVED PORTIONS, UH, COME BACK FOR, UH, FINAL APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUING OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. DOES THAT WORK? SO CLARIFICATION THAT WOULD INCLUDE, OR RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD SAY THAT THE GLASS BLOCK IS NOT TO BE REMOVED UNTIL THE FINAL DESIGN IS CORRECT. DEVELOPED. YEAH. AND JUST AGAIN, FOR MY CLARIFICATION, I GUESS, IN WHAT, UM, IS IT IN, IN WHAT KIND OF CAPACITY IS THE H D R C UM, CONCERNED WITH THE GLASS BLOCK, GIVEN THAT IT'S A NON HISTORIC ELEMENT IN A NON HISTORIC ADDITION TO THE BUILDING? WELL, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT IS HISTORIC. IT'S JUST NOT ORIGINAL. RIGHT? WELL, AND NOT, NOT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S HISTORIC BUT NOT TO THE, HIS, IT'S, UM, THE BUILDING'S HISTORIC OR ORIGIN IS, IT IS OUTSIDE OF THIS ERA OF THE ADDITION. RIGHT. I MEAN, YEAH. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES, IT DOES TALK ABOUT ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS. RIGHT. MODIFICATIONS CAN GAIN HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OVER TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEY DO TELL US A BIT OF THE STORY OF HOW THIS WAS MODIFIED, SO I CAN SEE WHY SOME PEOPLE MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. THAT'S HELPFUL. SO DO THIS, THE SECOND CHAIRMAN, IF JUST A SECOND, I NEED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION IF, AND IS THAT TO RETURN FOR FINAL APPROVAL TO THE H D R C COMMISSION? THAT'S CORRECT. UH, WITHOUT A D R C AS MY UNDERSTANDING, APPLICANTS CAN ALWAYS REQUEST A D R C IF THEY WISH. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS TIME I DON'T KNOW IF ANY HAS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SO I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. SAVINA AYE. MAZUA AYE. CARPENTER AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES ANTE? YES. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. AND FEEL FREE TO REQUEST A D R C IF YOU, UH, HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING, UH, BEFORE COMING BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION. AND ALSO, JUST FOR OUR CLARIFICATION, UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WORK ON THE APPROVED PORTION OF, I MEAN, SO THIS DOES, I GUESS THE WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT, YEAH. AWESOME. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. AGENDA ITEM 10. CAN YOU HEAR ME? TEST, TEST, TEST AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 4 28. ADDRESS, 14 16 14 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND TWO, DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO BASED ON THE FINDINGS, A THROUGH I SHOULD THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSIONED FIND AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE, NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THE OWNER. AS NOTED IN FINDING F AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF THE, THE STRUCTURE'S ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE U D C SECTION 35 DASH SIX 14 D AND TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A FINAL SALVAGE PLAN DOCUMENTING ELEMENTS THAT WILL BE SALVAGED. THE APPLICANT WILLIAM BREWER IS ATTENDING IN PERSON. [02:40:03] EXCUSE ME. UM, CAN I SPEAK? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. SO HE SAID THAT HE, HE GOT A FLAT TIRE, HE COULDN'T APPEAR. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. HI, MY NAME IS RITHA GOFORTH. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE H D R C, UH, FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. I ALSO WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THANK THE EMPLOYEES OF THE HISTORIC SOCIETY FOR THEIR PATIENTS AND THEIR ASSISTANCE THEN TO GIVING TO ME AND MY FAMILY AND GETTING US TO THIS POINT TODAY. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU ON THAT. UM, THIS IS MY DAUGHTER AND SHE HAS JUST A COUPLE OF LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR YOU. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS DOMINIQUE MILES AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME HISTORIC BACKGROUND OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY MY GREAT AUNT MARY MANNING, AND SHE ATTENDED COLLEGE AT TUSKEGEE UNIVERSITY WHEN THE FOUNDER, GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER WAS STILL THERE, SHE CAME BACK TO SAN ANTONIO WITH A PASSION FOR BUSINESS. SHE MARRIED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN HAVING CHILDREN, SO SHE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GO BUY UP HOUSES RIGHT THERE IN DIGNITY HEIGHTS AND OPEN UP A, UM, A CLUB WITH HER SISTER ALAN SUGAR JOHNSON. SO SINCE SHE DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN, SHE GOT TO NAME MY MOTHER. HER SISTER WAS VERY GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO LET HER NAME HER RITHA. AND SO, UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE I SAID, SHE DID PASS AWAY AND SHE TRANSITIONED THOSE HOMES TO SIX OR SEVEN NIECES AND NEPHEWS. THEY SOLD 'EM ALL. MY MOTHER WAS THE ONLY ONE TO KEEP 'EM. SO SHE TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO RENT THE PROPERTY OUT, AND THEN THE RENTERS WOULD UNFORTUNATELY TEAR UP THE PROPERTY AND THEN SHE WOULD RENT IT AGAIN. AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS A FIRE. AND THEN WHEN THE FIRE HAPPENED, THIS IS WHEN IT REALLY BECAME VERY UNSTABLE. AND THEN WHEN I CAME TO LIVE HERE AND KIND OF READ THROUGH THE PAPERWORK WITH YOU GUYS, I WAS LIKE, MOM, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS. SO THAT'S WHEN WE WENT AND GOT ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER FOR THE HEARING TODAY. SO I STILL GO TALK TO MY GREAT AUNT, 'CAUSE I AM A BUSINESS OWNER HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. I HAVE A STATE FARM AGENCY, AND I ASK HER FOR A LOT OF SUPPORT AND HELP IN HOW TO BE A BUSINESS OWNER. UM, SO OUR DREAM IS STILL BUILD THE SAME KIND OF COTTAGE LOOKING HOUSES ON THE PROPERTY. WE DON'T WANT A VACANT PARKING LOT RIGHT NEXT DOOR. UM, THE BLOOD BANK PUT IN SOME REALLY NICE BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE A PIZZERIA, THEY HAVE A, A BUTCHER, THEY HAVE THE CREDIT HUMAN. AND I THINK IF WE HAD SOME TOURISTS TO COME AND STAY IN THESE COTTAGES, THESE FOUR COTTAGES, TWO ON EACH LOT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT THAT THEY COULD BE RIGHT THERE WITH THOSE BUSINESSES. THEY CAN SEE THE TOWER OF AMERICA FROM THERE AND SEE ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT SAN ANTONIO HAS TO OFFER. I'M SORRY. I'M VERY NERVOUS. . UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, I I JUST WANNA TRY TO HELP MY MOM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND I HOPEFULLY WE GET SOME TO SOME RESOLUTION TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, THE, THE OTHER THING IS THAT 1614 EAST HOUSTON, THEN IT'S BEEN IN THE FAMILY, AS MY DAUGHTER HAS INDICATED, UH, SINCE MY GREAT AUNT LEONA BANKS BOUGHT IT IN THE THIRTIES OR FORTIES THAT, I'M NOT SURE EXACT DATES, BUT IT'S AROUND THAT TIME. SO WHEN SHE PASSED, SHE TOO HAD NO CHILDREN, AND SHE GAVE THAT, UH, ALL OF HER PROPERTIES TO MY AUNT MARY MARY MANNING, THAT'S MY MOTHER'S, UH, ONE OF MY MOTHER'S OLDER SISTERS. UH, AUNT MARY THEN LIVED THERE UNTIL HER DEATH IN 1998. SHE LEFT THE PARTY, THE PROPERTY, AND THE LOT NEXT DOOR AT 1618 EAST HOUSTON STREET TO MY MOTHER, ZEL RAINEY. MY MOTHER AND I RENTED, UH, THE PROPERTY AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON STREET TO SECTION EIGHT CLIENTS, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE CLIENTS THAT WE'RE HAVING THERE. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE NEXT CLIENTS, THEY, THEY CAME IN AND EVERYTHING JUST WENT DOWNHILL. UM, THEY GO AND THEY SOLD OFF THE AIR CONDITIONER, AND THEN THE COPPER POP, UH, THE COP COPPER PIPING STARTED DISAPPEARING. AND IT'S LIKE, MY GOD. SO WE THEN BOUGHT ANOTHER ONE IN. I THOUGHT I, I SPOKE WITH THEIR PARENTS. I SAID, OH, THIS IS A GOOD, THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT. SO SHE HAD FOUR KIDS AND HER DAD WAS THERE, AND WE TALKED, AND THEN I THINK IT WAS LIKE FOUR MONTHS LATER, SHE WAS TOTALLY TRANSITIONED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT SHE WENT REALLY DOWNHILL FROM THERE AND HAD A LOT OF, UH, DRUG ADDICTS IN THE HOUSE. AND THEN I HAD TO GO TO DO AN EVICTION FOR HER. WE HAD ANOTHER, UM, CLIENTS CAME IN. I'VE KIND OF RE MADE THOSE REPAIRS TO THE HOUSE, HAD OTHER CLIENTS CAME IN, BECAUSE SECTION EIGHT REQUIRES CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY ON BEFORE YOU COME UP TO IT. SO ANYWAY, THAT NEXT GROUP CAME IN AND WE HAD THE SAME KIND OF ISSUES. SO I SAID, THIS IS IT. I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. JUST CANNOT AFFORD TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS. SO WE BOARDED UP THE HOUSE, BUT THAT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL A NUMBER OF TIMES THE VAGRANTS WOULD COME IN, THEY TEAR OFF THE, THE, THE WOOD AND GET INTO THE HOUSE. AND THEN ONE [02:45:01] OF THEM STARTED A FIRE A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BURN OFF THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE. AND SO, UM, ANYWAY, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT'S GOTTEN TO, UH, TO TODAY. AND WE THEN, AFTER THOSE EVICTIONS AND THEN THE, THE, THE FIRE, UH, WE SAID THE HIGH COST OF, OF THE, OF REHAB, IN FACT, THE, UH, UNSAFE OF THE NESS OF THE HOUSE TO REHAB. IT WAS JUST KIND OF WHERE, WHERE WE ARE, I THINK AT THIS POINT. SO THAT'S THE PAST. WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE? I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MISSION OF THE HISTORIC, UH, PRESERVATION SOCIETY IS TO MAINTAIN SAN ANTONIO'S LEGACY. THE RAINEY JOHNSON FAMILY HAS THE SAME MISSION FOR THE HOUSTON STREET PROPERTY. IF THE COUNCIL, THEN THE COMMISSION THEN ALLOWS US TO DEMOLISH THE UNREPAIRABLE HOUSE AT 1614. WE INTEND TO MAINTAIN THAT FAMILY LEGACY. SO ON THE TWO LOTS THAT WE HAVE AT, UH, AT, ON HOUSTON STREET, OUR VISION THEN IS TO HAVE THE PROPERTY REZONED COMMERCIAL. I KNOW ALL THAT HAS TO BE REAPPROVED REAPPROVED BY YOU. SO WE CAN THEN, UM, CAN PLACE AT LEAST FOUR OF THESE, UH, TINY HOMES, UH, AIRBNB KIND OF PROPERTIES TO REMEMBER THE FAMILY MATRIARCHS. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO THEN NAME EACH OF THOSE HOMES, UH, IN MEMORY OF THOSE, UH, AUNTS AND, AND, AND, UM, MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT HAVE PASSED. IT WOULD BE LIKE MARY'S COTTAGE, ZEALOUS COTTAGE SUGARS COTTAGE, ELAINE'S COTTAGE, SO THAT THAT LEGACY CAN LIVE ON. THE FAMILY IS CURRENTLY WRITING A BUSINESS PLAN, CONSULTING WITH CONTRACTORS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS TO ASSIST IN MAKING THIS DREAM COME TO FRUITION. WE HOPE YOUR COUNCIL WILL APPROVE US DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS PROVIDED YOU WITH A REPORT ON THE PROPERTY RECOMMENDING THE HOUSE BE DEMOLISHED. THE TINY HOMES WILL GENERATE A REVENUE TO SUSTAIN AND MAINTAIN, UH, THE AREA AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE PRIDE OF THE EAST SIDE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WISH WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS CASE. OH, I'M SORRY. HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS. I LIVE AT 1 8 8 1 7 NOLAN, AND I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL. IN REFERENCE TO H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 28 16 14 EAST HOUSTON STREET, WE AGREE WITH O P'S FINDINGS. THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE SHOULD NOT BE DEMOLISHED AS STATED IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. THE OWNERS HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2013 AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE ECONOMIC ECONOMIC HARDSHIP AS AN EXCUSE TO DEMOLISH IT. TOO OFTEN, DEMO BY NEGLECT IS UTILIZED AS AN ACCEPTABLE REASON TO TEAR DOWN THESE OLD HISTORIC HOUSES. AND THOUGH IT WAS DAMAGED BY FIRE, NOTHING PREVENTS IT FROM BEING STABILIZED AND RENOVATED SO THAT IT CAN COME BACK TO LIFE. THERE ARE TOO MANY EXAMPLES OF OLD HISTORIC HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN RENOVATED BACK TO THEIR GRANDEUR. AND YES, EVEN SMALL BUNGALOW HOUSES ARE GRANDER THAN THE NEW HOUSES THEY'RE BUILDING. TODAY, PLEASE SEE THE IMAGES OF SEVEN 14 AND 8 25 NORTH PINE STREET IN THE EMAIL SUBMITTED TO YOU. BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE SEVERELY DAMAGED BY FIRE, BUT BOTH ARE BROUGHT BACK TO WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE TODAY. IF BOTH OF THESE HOUSES WERE ABLE TO BE RENOVATED AFTER BEING SEVERELY DAMAGED BY FIRE, THIS HOUSE LOCATED AT 1614 EAST EASTERN CAN ALSO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. COULD I JUST ADDRESS THAT? I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. IS THERE ANOTHER VOICEMAIL? NO, BUT THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. YES, MS. GOFORTH, YOU MAY RESPOND TO THAT. I, I, I CAN APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IF WE COULD DO IT, WE WOULD, WE CERTAINLY WOULD. BUT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, CONTRACTORS AND ENGINEERS TO COME OUT AND TELL US WHAT'S HAPPENING. MANY OF THEM WOULD COME, WHEN SOME WOULD COME. THEY WOULD SAY, HEY, THIS IS TOTALLY UNSAFE. THERE ARE PILLOWS UNDER THE HOUSE THAT SUPPORTS THE FOUNDATION, AND THERE'S REALLY ONLY THREE PILLOWS THAT'S KIND OF HOLDING THAT THING UP. WHEN ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS CAME IN TO TRY TO REMOVE THAT BURNT PART OFF THE BACK, THEN THE WHOLE STRUCTURE BACK IN THE BACK JUST KIND OF FELL, FELL DOWN, AND THEY SAID, LOOK, WE CAN'T DO THIS. WE CAN'T. IT'S, IT'S, NO, IT'S JUST NOT SAFE FOR US TO DO THAT. IF WE COULD, THEY SAID THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO END UP TEARING IT DOWN ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT, LIKE IN, IN THE STATE THAT IT'S IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YES, I DID. THANK YOU. UM, UH, LET'S SEE. UM, WE TOOK A SITE VISIT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET IN MM-HMM. . SO, UM, UM, [02:50:02] I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, IS IT PREMATURE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION'S SAKE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WELL, OH, REMEMBER WHAT MY QUESTION IS, STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU NEED? DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE HAS BEEN A, UM, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS FULFILLED, UM, AND PROVIDE SATISFACTORY OR SATISFIED THE BURDEN OF PROOF AT THIS POINT? NO. CAN I ANSWER THAT? YEAH. UM, SO DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A TRADITIONAL JUST REQUEST FOR ALTERATIONS TO HISTORIC PROPERTY. IT'S A DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD IN THE CODE, AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF A, A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THAT, TO MEET THOSE BURDEN OF PROOF REQUIREMENTS. UM, SO TYPICALLY HOW WE TREAT THEM IS INSTEAD OF REVIEWING, RECEIVING THE APPLICATION AND DOING A COMPLETENESS REVIEW AND PROVIDING FEEDBACK ABOUT WHAT'S NEEDED TO COMPLETE IT, WE TAKE THAT APPLICATION AND WE GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THE 60 DAY H C R C REVIEW, AND WE USE THAT TIME TO DO THE SITE VISIT, TO PROVIDE COMMENTS BACK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WILL HELP, UM, BETTER UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST AND HELP MEET THE BURDEN OF PROOF REQUIREMENTS. AND SO I THINK THE APPLICANT ALLUDED THAT THERE WAS SOME, SOME WORK WITH STAFF THAT WAS DONE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE REQUIRED MM-HMM. , BUT REALLY IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THEIR CASE BASED ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. OKAY. AND IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, BURDEN OF PROOF REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN SATISFYING. OKAY. OKAY. TO, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT ENGINEER'S REPORT AND THAT ESTIMATE JIBE WITH THE REALITY, UM, I DO THINK A SITE VISIT ONTO THE PROPERTY WOULD HELP PUT ALL OF THOSE PIECES TOGETHER. MM-HMM. , UM, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED, I NEED MORE INFORMATION. WE DID GET TO SEE ALONG THE SIDE, AND YOU CAN KIND OF PEER IN THROUGH THE BACKSIDE, YOU CAN SEE A SIGNIFICANT FIRE MM-HMM. HAD OCCURRED. MM-HMM. , THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. UM, BUT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO SEE ANYTHING DEEPER INTO THE SITE. SO, AND AS STAFF MENTIONED, THERE WAS A DOG ON THE, I GOT, I GOT IT REMOVED WITH THE CITY WHEN I CAME OUT THERE, IT WAS A ARAY. RIGHT, I SAW THAT. YEP. YEAH. YEAH. SO WE WERE CHICKEN TO GO IN, BUT, UM, UM, WE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS, BUT HAVE A SITE D R C, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO ONTO THE PROPERTY AND HOPEFULLY PEER IN OR EVEN WALK INTO THE MORE STABLE PORTIONS A SECOND, INCLUDING THE GARAGE. OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, DO WE HAVE A TIME THEN WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS? IF THIS PASSES, THEN, UH, IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED HOPEFULLY FOR NEXT WEEK. OKAY. AND THEN YOU'D BE BACK ON THE AGENDA. THE FIRST, IS THAT THE FIRST, UH, IT'S NOVEMBER 2ND. NOVEMBER 2ND. YOU'D BE BACK FOR, UH, ACTION. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS, ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU WERE TELLING YOUR STORY, UM, ONE I'M EXCITED. H B C U TUSKEGEE YAY. OUTSTANDING. AND, UM, SECONDLY, I, I DO UNDERSTAND I'M, I HAVE A PROPERTY, THE SAME SITUATION, YOU KNOW, TEND TO JUST DESTROYED THE HOUSE AND IT'S, IT'S DISGUSTING. IT'S TERRIBLE. I MEAN, I HAVE A HISTORIC PROPERTY TOO. IT'S NOT HERE. WE TRIED. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. AND IT IS TOUGH, BUT I THINK THAT THE, UM, THE D R C WILL HELP, YOU KNOW, JUST SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE PROPERTY AND, UM, IT'LL BE HELPFUL. UM, I UNDERSTAND AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UM, ESTIMATE HERE FROM, FROM, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND IT IS A, IT IS A COSTLY ESTIMATE, SO I, I GET THAT. BUT YEAH, I THINK THIS HAPPENED AT D RRC WOULD DEFINITELY HELP. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER GRU? YES. UM, SO I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO, THE ENGINEER REPORT SAYS, YOU KNOW, 85% OF A STRUCTURE IS COMPLETELY, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD REASON FOR. SO, BUT I THINK ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, VISIBILITY ON THAT, UM, IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER REPORTS, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT HAVE YOU, AND I THINK WHAT I MAY WANNA SEE IS MORE THAN A FULL DEMOLITION IS A WAY THAT, THAT FRONT, THAT FRONTS EAST HOUSTON BEING A LANDMARK AND BEING A, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE NUITY, YOU KNOW, HISTORY, SEEING A REPLACEMENT. I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA DO FOUR COTTAGES, BUT MAYBE THAT FRONT COTTAGE THAT FACES EAST HOUSTON BE MAYBE THAT FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE REPORT SEEMS, WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE REPORTS ACTUALLY SAYS THAT IT'S NOT DAMAGED. SO MAYBE THAT COULD PART COULD STILL BE RETAINED. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A FULL DEMOLITION MM-HMM. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHING, DEMOLISHING THE PARTS THAT ARE NON REUSABLE OR NON EXISTING BECAUSE OF THE FIRE REUSING THAT FRONT AND THEN YOU BUILDING YOUR FOUR COTTAGES BACK THAT WAY. SO LIKE, [02:55:01] I WOULD EVEN MAYBE SAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I WOULD APPROVE A FULL DEMOTION TO SEE THE REPLACEMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT BECAUSE OF THE LANDMARK, I THINK IT IS A REQUIREMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY BE LEANING TOWARDS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER FISH. WE MAY HAVE LOST HIM IF, OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I ENJOYED HEARING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY HISTORY WITH THIS PROPERTY AS WELL, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO IT FOR A LONG TIME AND, UM, THAT YOU'VE SOUGHT TO, TO HELP SOME OTHER FOLKS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN HARD, HARD STAKES AS WELL ALONG THE WAY. AND, UM, I'M SORRY, THE PROPERTY GOT SO ABUSED AND MISUSED OVER TIME. THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL, REAL SHAME. I AM ALSO EXCITED THOUGH, ABOUT YOUR, YOUR VISION FOR, UH, THE REPLACEMENT AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP COMES UP WITH A GREAT IDEA OF BOTH PAIN, HOMAGE TO THE PAST MM-HMM. , BUT ALSO FINDING A WAY TO BRIDGE TO THE FUTURE MM-HMM. . SO I, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD IN SOME FASHION. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, UH, I, I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I'VE HAVE WORKED ON THE EAST SIDE AT THE CARVER CULTURAL CENTER FOR YEARS, SO IT'S REALLY HEARTENING TO SEE THAT CORNER, WHICH USED TO BE PRETTY DERELICT. IT'S A BLOOD BREAK BANK. YES. FOR DECADE, FOR A WHILE, FOR AT LEAST A DECADE. MM-HMM. . AND SO TO SEE IT REBIRTHED THE WAY IT'S COMING ABOUT, I'M VERY HAPPY FOR THAT AND, AND APPLAUD YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. LOOKING FORWARD, YOU HAVE A RICH HISTORY. IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT WE GET TO SEE THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, ORIGINAL FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS. THANK YOU. CONTINUING THE LEGACY. SO, UH, UH, IT'S AN HONOR TO BE A PART AND TO SEE IT, SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING OUT AND SEEING THE SITE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD ECHO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID. IT'S, UM, VERY HEARTENING TO SEE THAT A, A FAMILY WHO HAS A, A LONG TRADITION IN THIS LOCATION WANTS TO CONTINUE THAT AND UH, LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND GETTING A RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. SO THIS TIME I'LL CALL FOR A, UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE GIBBS. AYE. FISH HAS LEFT. UM, THE MEETING. SABINO AYE. MAZUA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. BANES? YES. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. SO STAFF WILL GET WITH Y'ALL AND, UH, ARRANGE FOR THAT UH, SITE VISIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 11. AGENDA ITEM 11, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 3 45 3 0 5 LAVACCA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO TWO STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURES AT 3 0 5. LAVACCA STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH SS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WILL NOT BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE. WALL PLAINS OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES BASED ON FINDINGS D AND E TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE MASSING AND PROVIDES THE DIAGRAM SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES IN RELATION TO NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES, INCLUDING PROPOSED FOUNDATION AND FLOOR HEIGHTS BASED ON FINDINGS G AND H THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING L THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS AND PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SIL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDING M FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DETAILS FOR THE PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS AND RAILING BASED ON FINDING O, THE PROPOSED COLUMN SHOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX INCHES AND WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CAP AND BASE IN CHAMPED CORNERS. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PERMEABLE SURFACING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING P SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED FRONT WALKWAY TO FOUR FEET AND THAT THE REAR ACCESS AND THAT REAR ACCESS TO THE POOL IN CENTRAL COMMON SPACE SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED WALKWAY ON THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. BASED ON FINDING Q, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT AN UPDATED SITE PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H T R C EIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING S AND NINE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND THE APPLICANT, CAROLINE GADO IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. I APOLOGIZE. LET ME PULL YOU OVER MS. GIDO. [03:00:03] OKAY. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE. I HOPE EVERYONE'S DOING, JUST MAKE SURE YOU SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOUR MIC IF POSSIBLE. YEAH. HOW IS THIS? THAT'S BETTER, THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, HOPE EVERYONE'S DOING WELL. MY NAME IS CAROLINE. WE CAN START BY LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER OF THIS SPECIFIC SIDE. IT'S GONNA BE OUR SATELLITE MAP. UM, WE'LL START OFF BY SAYING THAT ALL THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UM, FEATURE SETBACKS THAT RANGE FROM 10 TO 20 FEET IN THIS AREA. UM, ON THE LAVACA SIDE WE COME IN AT 15 FEET GARFIELD ALLEY. UM, THAT UNIT COMES IN AT ABOUT FIVE FEET FOR THE SETBACKS. UM, WE AM MIRROR, THERE'S ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR OUTLINE PROPERTY AT THAT BLANK SPACE, THERE'S ACTUALLY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS, HAS GONE UP AND WAS RECENTLY APPROVED. PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, A TWO STORY STRUCTURE, I BELIEVE IT'S THREE 10 LAVACCA. THEY COME IN AT ABOUT 38 FEET AND EIGHT INCHES. WE'RE RIGHT AT 34. AND THEN THE SURROUNDING HOUSES ALL KIND OF RANGE FROM UH, ONE STORY TO TWO STORY AS WELL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIANCE JUST KIND OF THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. BUT AGAIN, WE KIND OF COME IN AT 34 FEET AND THEN WE COULD PROBABLY GO DOWN ONE SLIDE. UM, ACTUALLY LET'S BRING IT DOWN. SO WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN. UM, IN MY MOST RECENT D R C MEETING, THEY ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE DETAIL JUST TO SEE HOW IT WOULD ALL WORK. SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT OUR HOMEOWNERS OR RENTERS TO FEEL IS THAT MIDDLE SPACE KIND OF BY THE POOL AREA. WE WANT THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH IT. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR SEATING, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ROOM TO KIND OF DEVELOP LIKE AN OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE KITCHEN AREA AS WELL. UM, WE DO ON THAT RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY DO THAT IS OUR PARKING OR I GUESS OUR DRIVEWAY AREA. UM, AND THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION IF THEY HAVE GUESTS TO KIND OF SCOOT FORWARD AND MOVE INTO THAT OPEN PAVER AREA AS WELL. UM, IT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE, BUT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAVER SECTION WHERE IT SAYS 37 FEET. UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AS PART OF OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN AN ADDITIONAL FENCE LINE. UM, AND THAT IS OUR LANDSCAPING. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE OR MAYBE I'M LOOKING FOR, UM, THE MOST UPDATED SITE PLAN 'CAUSE THERE'S BEEN QUITE A FEW AND IT LOOKS LIKE 14 IS A CLEAR REPRESENTATION. YEAH. SO THAT'S JUST GONNA SHOW OUR SETBACKS AGAIN. UM, LA VACA COMES IN AT 15 FEET. UM, THAT GARFIELD ALLEY COMES IN AT ABOUT FIVE FEET. AND THEN, LET'S SEE, WE CAN LOOK AT THE SLIDE ABOVE US. SCROLL DOWN. OKAY. SO YES, THIS IS OUR MOST RECENT ELEVATIONS. AGAIN, JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE HEIGHT OF OUR STRUCTURES. UM, COMING IN AT ABOUT 34 FEET. LET ME CHECK SOMETHING . YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT FIRST FLOOR COMES IN AT ABOUT 10 FEET. SO, UM, AND WE PREVIOUSLY TOOK OUT THE BRICK AND REPLACED IT WITH JUST THOSE SOLID COLUMNS. UM, AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DOCUMENTS I RECENTLY SUBMITTED WERE JUST KIND OF OUR WINDOW SPECS. THOSE WERE, I THINK PART OF OUR PREVIOUS STIPULATIONS AS WELL. UM, SO YEAH, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM YOU GUYS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY, UH, VOICEMAILS. NO VOICEMAILS. JUST ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. UM, TO THAT, UM, EXHIBIT ON PAGE 14 IN THE P D, UM, WHERE IS THE PARKING FOR THE FOUR UNITS? I DON'T SEE PARKING. SO ESSENTIALLY, UM, WHAT OUR LAND DEVELOPER AND GROUP HAS KIND OF WANTED TO PROPOSE WAS JUST USING, UTILIZING THAT RIGHT SIDE, THAT LONG DRIVEWAY. AND AGAIN, HAVING THAT, UM, WHERE THE PAVERS ARE MARKED, AN ADDITIONAL FENCE KIND OF CUTTING ACROSS TO WHERE THERE IS ADDITIONAL PARKING YOU CAN KIND OF PULL IN, BUT ALSO GIVES THE POOL A LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY AS WELL SO YOU'RE NOT JUST PULLING RIGHT UP TO PEOPLE'S CHAIRS AND SUCH. AND THEN WE'LL MAYBE HAVE SOME MORE LANDSCAPING, SOME GREENERY AROUND THERE JUST TO GIVE IT MORE PRIVACY. AND WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FACE OF THE POOL AND THE EDGE OF THAT DRIVEWAY? THE PAVER, I'M SORRY, THE PAVERS. WHAT'S THAT DEPTH? UM, I KNOW ON THAT LEFT SIDE IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT FIVE FEET AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANYTHING MARKED UP IN MY PAPERWORK CURRENTLY. UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN GET BACK TO Y'ALL ON SAY, I THINK IT'S LIKE 46, [03:05:01] NOT 46. SO IN THAT PAVED AREA NEAR THE POOL, YOU CAN PUT THREE, FOUR CARS IN THERE? YES MA'AM. ACTUALLY OUR ORIGINAL SITE DESIGN INCLUDED THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. UM, YEAH, OUR ORIGINAL SITE DESIGN, IT'S PROBABLY NOT ANYWHERE IN THIS PRESENTATION, BUT UM, INITIALLY IT WAS MARKED OUT TO HAVE FOUR PARKING SPOTS BETWEEN THERE. UM, SO WE COULD PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE LIKE FOUR PARKING SPACES. OKAY. IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE TIGHT COMING OUT OFF OF A 10 FOOT DRIVE WITH A VERY TIGHT CORNER TIGHT RADIA. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP THAT I DON'T EVEN THINK, UM, DOESN'T THIS, WOULDN'T IT REQUIRE MINIMUM FOUR PARKING SPACES? LIKE WOULD THIS EVEN GET A PERMIT IN THE CITY? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, IS IT ONE SPACE PER 1.5, MAYBE ONE PER DUPLEX OR PER, BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE, SO IT'D BE YOU ACTUALLY NEED SIX PARKING SPACES. YEAH, THERE WOULD BE NO STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT. IT'S 1.5 PER YEAR. YEAH. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T REQUIRE OFF STREET. HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT? I KNOW AS I'VE DRIVEN DOWN THAT STREET, THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE PARKING OFF STREET, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT IDEAL. UM, BUT YEAH, CONCERN HERE IS, I DON'T, AND I'VE HAD THIS BEFORE ALSO IN DINU, IS THIS TYPE OF PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE INTRODUCING SOMETHING NEW BUILT. I DON'T WANNA PLACE, LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, MY REQUIREMENTS ARE A LOT HIGHER IN EVERYTHING AND QUALITY AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE IF WE'RE INTRODUCING SOMETHING NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'RE NOT WANTING, I DO SOMETHING NEW WITH A BURDEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SO I, I'M REALLY GOTTA GET HIGH STANDARDS AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SEEING YOUR CASE AND I MEAN, SEEING THIS DESIGN AND I SEE THAT YOU'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH, UM, I MEAN IN INFORMAL MEETINGS AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, BUT I, I JUST, I WANT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE PUT FORWARD AND, AND, AND MAYBE YOU, YOU HAVE CLARIFIED SOME OF THEM, BUT I'M NOT SURE, ARE YOU UNDERSTANDING THE DETAILS OF THE, SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS? SO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE CONCEPTUAL AND THEN KEEP WORKING ON THE STIPULATIONS OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE, YOU'VE PRESENTED THEM TODAY? OUR GOAL IS DEFINITELY TO GET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY WITH MORE INSIGHT ON MAYBE THINGS LIKE THE PARKING. UM, I KNOW MY GROUP HAS REALLY GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THE POOL AND WHETHER OR NOT WE EVEN WANNA HAVE A POOL. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOSE. BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD, AGAIN, JUST THE PARKING IS TRICKY HERE. SO ANY INSIGHT YOU GUYS HAVE FOR THAT HERE IN THIS MEETING WILL BE SUPER HELPFUL. UM, THAT WAY I CAN GET BACK IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE D R C MEETING IN BETWEEN OUR NEXT AGENDA I CAN PROVIDE THOSE, UM, CHANGES AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I MEAN, DO A MOTION FOR PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION. WELL, I'VE HAVE A QUESTION. UM, MS. GBO, HAVE Y'ALL HAD A PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW WITH, UH, ZONING AND OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, DEPARTMENTS TO TALK ABOUT PARKING AND SETBACKS AND OTHER, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, THE U D C REQUIRES THAT, THAT O H P AND H D R C DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A REVIEW OVER, BUT, UM, THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT SERV, UH, DESIGN SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS STAFF THAT YOU CAN REQUEST A PRELIMINARY PLAN REVIEW SO YOU CAN GET ANSWERS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH PARKING, UM, SETBACKS, UM, ITEMS LIKE THAT, THAT HAVE, UH, SORT OF COME UP ON THIS PROJECT ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS? YEAH. UM, I HAVE NOT SAT DOWN WITH THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, BUT I, UM, WILL BE SURE TO DO SO. WELL, AND TO CLARIFY, OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. YEAH, SORRY. THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. SORRY TO JUMP IN LIKE THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S REALLY NOT WITH THE ZONING, BUT IT'S WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL BRING ALL THEIR SUB DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER, AND I THINK YOU'RE AT A POINT WHERE, BEFORE WE PROCEED ANY FURTHER WITH THIS, I THINK YOU REALLY NEED SOME INPUT ON YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD BE, UM, GIVING YOU A MISGUIDANCE HERE ON WHAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH ON THIS, ON THIS SITE WITHOUT GETTING INPUT FROM SOME OTHER PEOPLE. OKAY. MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, YES. COMMISSIONER ANTE? UH, WELL, NO, ACTUALLY I HAVE SOME COMMENTS WE HAVEN'T MADE MOTION YET, RIGHT? YEAH, I, I, WELL THEN, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSION AND PROBABLY TO MOVE THINGS ALONG, I, I, I MOVE THAT, UH, A [03:10:01] CONTINUANCE BE ALLOWED BECAUSE THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT D R C. EXACTLY. WHAT WE'RE BRINGING UP NOW ARE SOME DETAILS THAT WE BROUGHT UP AT THE D R C. I ACTUALLY WENT TO THE SITE ON THIS ONE AND SAW THAT, SAW THE, UH, THE PLAT. SO, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME, SOME MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND SO I WOULD VOTE FOR A CONTINUANCE. I'LL SECOND BEFORE, CAN I CLARIFY? MOVE MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU YES. YES, MA'AM. JUST TO CLARIFY THE MOTION, IS THIS TO, UH, D R C, THE NEXT AVAILABLE D R C DATE? THE CLIENT CAN CHOOSE TO, YEAH, THE CLIENT CAN CHOOSE WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M PROPOSING NOW, MY MOTION IS THAT WE DO NOT ADDRESS THIS AT THIS TIME THAT WE ALLOW THE CLIENT TO TAKE, GO BACK AND TALK TO THE, UH, UH, ZONING OR THE, OR C UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, UH, UH, OFFICES. SO THEN THAT WAY IF THEY WANNA DO A D R C AFTER THAT, THEY CAN ASK FOR THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO, DO IT. OKAY. SO THE NE SO WE DO NEED A DATE SPECIFIC. SO MOTION TO CONTINUE TO, UH, MEETING IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER. YEAH, WE CAN DO, UH, NOT NEXT MEETING, BUT THE MEETING AFTER, WHAT IS IT, THREE AND A HALF WEEKS? NOVEMBER 2ND. NOVEMBER 2ND. THAT SHOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT ENOUGH TIME TO, TO RUN DOWN SOME OF THE DETAILS AND POTENTIALLY COME BACK WITH A ADJUSTED PRODUCT HERE. RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. UM, AND THE, JUST AS A COMMENT, IF THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN'T GET ALL OF HER CITY MEETINGS ACCOMPLISHED BY THAT DATE, THEN SHE COULD ASK FOR A, UH, CONTINUATION AFTER THE NOVEMBER 2ND. FROM STAFF? YES. FROM STAFF, YEAH. OKAY. UM, OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? OH, SURE. UM, FINAL COMMENTS, UM, TO CAROLINE, DEFINITELY LOOK AT ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS IN ADDITION TO VISITING WITH THE CITY. LOOK AT THOSE STIPULATIONS. UM, AND MY SENSE IS THE PROGRAM ON THIS SITE AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, IS TOO MUCH FOR THE SITE. UM, THOSE FOUR BEDROOM UNITS MIGHT HAVE TO BE REDUCED, AND THAT MIGHT ENABLE YOU TO ADDRESS SCALE AND MASSING AND CREATE MORE COMPATIBLE VOLUMES ON THE PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE HISTORIC HOUSES, WHICH IS IDEALLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND IT'LL HELP YOU THEN PLAY WITH THE SETBACKS AND THE POOL AND THE PARKING. UM, BASICALLY, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU'VE DESIGNED SO MUCH ONTO THE PROPERTY, THERE'S NO ROOM TO, TO MAKE CHANGES, TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. SO, UM, IN ADDITION TO CITY MEETING, UM, DO YOU CONSIDER ADDRESSING ALL OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I'M SORRY, ADD SOMETHING. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UH, GIVE HER A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. SO MS. RO, I REALLY WANT YOU TO, I, I SAY SECOND WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID, BUT LIKE, PROBABLY NOT FOCUS ON THE WINDOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S JUST FOCUSING ON THE SITE PLAN WITHOUT THE DETAILS YET. 'CAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT SITE PLAN. UM, AND NEXT TIME YOU PRESENT THE SET, THE FRONT SETBACKS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT I DON'T, YOU SAID IT VERBALLY WHAT THE SETBACKS WERE AND THE DIFFERENT, OR THE HEIGHTS FOR THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES OF JASON, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PUT THAT DOWN ON A, ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A MAP OR WRITE IT DOWN OR LIKE, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SEE IN WRITING PRIOR TO THE MEETING. BUT IN MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S BEEN SO MANY DRCS AND THERE'S STILL THAT MANY STIPULATIONS AND THEY'RE STILL HERE, AND I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE GOING BACK WITH YOUR GROUP AND MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO AGREE TO IT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THESE STIPULATIONS ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU PROBABLY NOT GOING TO, CAN'T GET AWAY WITH. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN SEEN, ARE WE LOOKING FOR FRONT FACING GARFIELD BUILDING? HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? I DIDN'T SEE THAT, UM, ON THE STIPULATIONS, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH NEW CONSTRUCTION ON GARFIELD THAT MAYBE THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW. YOU WERE ON THE SITE. YEAH, I MEAN, YES, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT SHE COULD LOOK AT FROM, FROM A HARD, HARD ZONING STANDPOINT. FROM FROM, FROM THINGS THAT ARE NON, NON, UH, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY DESIGN ASPECTS, BUT THINGS THAT ACTUALLY SHE SHOULD GET, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHTENED OUT. AND THAT WAS ONE OPTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP FACING GARFIELD, UM, I THINK, BUT THEN YOU, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE STREET WIDTH AND, AND YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE MENTIONED. THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE VOTE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, MS. GABO? UM, NO SIR. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT FLIPPING THAT ORIENTATION AND I THINK [03:15:01] WHENEVER WE WENT BACK AND STARTED MOVING THINGS AROUND, IT JUST DIDN'T GET FLIPPED ON THIS SLIDE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA TAKE NOTE OF. UM, AND NEXT TIME WE MEET, YOU'LL SEE THAT CHANGE ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. UM, AND YEAH, THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, A ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINA? AYE. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. GBO. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 0 5 5 15 CLUB. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 2,400 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P. STAFF RECOMMENDS ADDRESSING THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE A SET A SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THE PROPOSED SETBACK IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES AND THE SETBACK FOR THE FRONT FACING GARAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING D TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A F THE FOUNDATION HEIGHTS OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION AND THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING E THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE PROPOSED FRONT ROOF FORMS TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ROOF FORMS FOUND IN THE VICINITY AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING F FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE FINAL PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING G FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CLOTTING MATERIAL MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE IMMEDIATE BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE AND SUBMITS UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING H SIX, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDING I THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WINDOW, UH, SPECIFICATIONS SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF BASED ON FINDING J EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT SIMPLIFIES THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT RELATE TO THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION ON THE BLOCK TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES AS OPPOSED TO THE PROPOSED SPANISH ECLECTIC DETAILING. AS NOTED IN FINDING K NINE, THAT A DETACHED GARAGE IS UTILIZED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FRONT FACADE ATTACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDING L IF THE H D R C FINDS THE PROPOSED ATTACHED GARAGE APPROPRIATE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE GARAGE IS RECESSED SUBSTANTIALLY FROM THE FRONT FACADE. 10 THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL DIMENSIONS FOR THE PROPOSED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY SHOWING THAT THE DRIVEWAY WILL BE, WILL NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH TO STAFF FOR REVIEW BASED ON FINDING M AND 11 THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL LANDSCAPING PLANS WITH PLANTING DETAILS AND A PROPOSAL FOR THE EXISTING FRONT RETAINING WALL PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C AS NOTED IN FINDING P AND THE APPLICANT. GILBERT GARZA IS WITH US IN PERSON. HI THERE. UM, I'M HERE TODAY, UH, IN REGARDS TO FIVE 15 CLUB. WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD HOUSE. EXCUSE ME, SIR, WOULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? I'M SORRY. WE WERE TRYING TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR MY DAUGHTER AND MY SON-IN-LAW THAT WERE HERE. I'M A BUILDER FOR 36 YEARS IN SAN ANTONIO. BUILT IN SAN ANTONIO, BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND, UH, MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW JUST GOT MARRIED THIS YEAR AND LOOKING TO BUILD A HOUSE. THEY COULD HAVE BOUGHT A LOT OR A HOUSE ANYWHERE IN TOWN, BUT THEY LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LIVE IN BA COUNTY HEIGHTS, SO WE'RE A FEW MINUTES AWAY. MY WIFE WENT TO JEFFERSON, SO EVERYTHING JUST KIND OF, KIND OF WORKED AND GUIDED US TO THAT LOT. WE FOUND THAT ONE SMALL LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SHE LOVES THE VARIETY OF, UM, HISTORIC HOUSES THAT ARE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY THE SPANISH, WHITE STUCCO CLAY GR UH, ORANGE TOWEL ROOF. I MEAN, THAT WAS HER DREAM HOUSE. SO WE KIND OF TOOK SEVERAL PICTURES OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE OUT THERE. UH, AND WITHIN A TWO BLOCK RADIUS WE FOUND FIVE HOUSES THAT ALL HAVE THAT SIMILAR FEATURES AND WE TOOK A LITTLE PIECE OF EVERY ITEM THAT WAS ON IT AND PUT IT INTO THIS HOUSE. UH, WE HAVE DONE SOME MODIFICATIONS DUE TO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE VERY HELPFUL HOMEOWNER, I MEAN, THE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATIONS HELPED US WITH, THEY GUIDED US, THEY HELPED US, THEY GAVE US SOME IDEAS. WE'VE KIND OF DID SOME MODIFICATIONS AND I'VE GOT THOSE HERE WITH ME. UM, BUT, UH, THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL IN GIVING US SOME ADVICE. UH, [03:20:01] RACHEL, UH, AT YOUR OFFICE WAS VERY HELPFUL IN GIVING US SOME ADVICE. UH, SO WE'VE KIND OF DONE ALL THAT BASED ON ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE GOT. I HAVE ADDRESSED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH 'EM IN FULL DETAIL, BUT I'VE, FOR EXAMPLE, LEMME GET MY GLASSES, FOR EXAMPLE. THE SETBACKS I HAVE, I HAVE DONE A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE SETBACKS IN RELATIONS TO THE TWO PROPERTIES IN THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF US. I HAVE GIVEN, I HAVE DONE A DIAGRAM WITH THE ELEVATIONS HEIGHTS. UM, I HAVE REDUCED THE ROOF PITCH FROM A SIX 12 TO A FOUR 12, WHICH MAKES IT MORE UNIFORM WITH WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. UM, I HAVE, UH, THE PROPOSED OVERALL, UH, PERCENTAGE COVERAGE, WHICH IS A 63 TO 37 RATIO. WE'VE GOT 37% OF COVERED AREA THAT'S INCLUDING DRIVEWAYS, WALKWAYS, AND THE HOUSE. UM, AND WE GOT 63% OF, UM, UNCOVERED AREA. I HAVE A SPECIFICATION SHEET SHOWING THE, ALL THE MATERIALS THAT ARE OUTSIDE, WHICH IS CLAY BARREL TILE ROOF, A STUCCO, UH, WHITE STUCCO EXTERIOR, THREE QUARTER INCH WITH METAL ATH, UH, ALUMINUM, UH, BLACK WINDOWS THAT ARE KIND OF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UH, THE DOORS TO BE PAINTED WOOD, WOOD, WOOD DOORS. SO I'VE GIVEN THAT, UM, I'VE DONE A WINDOW DIAGRAM SHOWING A TWO INCH REVEAL, UH, AND THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE USING. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD A CONCERN WITH WAS THAT ACCORDING TO, WHAT WAS THAT ONE THAT SAID ABOUT THE FACADE POSSIBLY CHANGING THE MATERIALS OF THE FACADE? I THINK IT WAS ON FIVE. YES. UH, STIPULATION FIVE IS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CLATTING MATERIAL MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE IMMEDIATE BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE AND SUBMITS UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF. SO THAT, AND, AND, AND ASKING FOR US TO CHANGE THE FRONT MATERIALS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT REQUEST IS BEING ASKED, ESPECIALLY IF WITHIN A TWO BLOCKS RADIUS I HAVE PROVIDED, I THINK I SENT YOU PICTURES OF FIVE HOUSES WITHIN A THREE BLOCK RADIUS. THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER. I THINK IT'S ONE SEPARATE EMAIL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WITHIN, THAT'S TWO BLOCKS AWAY. THAT'S AT THE END OF THE STREET, END OF THE STREET TOWARDS THE OTHER SIDE. THAT ONE IS ON THE BLOCK BEHIND US. SO THESE ARE ALL THE HOUSES THAT SHE LOVES. AND SO WE SAID, WELL, WE'LL JUST TAKE A PIECE OF THIS ONE. WE'LL FIND, UH, THE FLAT ROOF THAT'S THERE. WE, WE WILL PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE. WE'LL USE, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF ARCHES. WE, WE USE THE ARCH WINDOWS. THAT'S THE EXACT SAME SIZE WINDOW AND WIDTH THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN OUR FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE STIPULATION IS OR WHY WE CAN'T DO WHAT IS OUT THERE ALREADY. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD CONCERNED WITH. OTHERWISE. EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M, I'M COMPLYING WITH THE 10 FOOT WIDTH OF THE, THE DRIVEWAYS I'VE COMPLIED. I'VE, I'M PROVIDING A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE REUSE OF THE MATERIALS. THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT'S OUT THERE. WE'RE GOING TO, IT'S IN THE WAY, IT'S FALLING APART, IT'S CRACKED. SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT MATERIAL AND REFURBISH IT AND REUSE IT FOR ALL THE COLUMNS. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OF IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA USE ALL THE COLUMNS, THE FOUR COLUMNS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT FOR THE FENCING. WE'RE GONNA PUT THOSE IN THERE SO WE CAN KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF THE THING. SO I THINK WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S ASKED FOR OR THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR, WE HAVE DONE OR WE'RE WILLING TO DO. THE ONLY THING I DON'T UNDERSTAND, AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON, IS WHY WE'RE ASKED TO CHANGE THE FACADE WHEN I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE PRETTIEST HOUSES OUT THERE IS WHAT THOSE BEAUTIFUL STUCCO HOUSES WITH THE GREEN TILE, ORANGE TILE ROOF AND THE WINDOWS. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT A FRONT ENTRY GARAGE. WELL, THERE'S ONE TO THE LEFT AND ONE TO THE RIGHT OF ME THAT ARE FRONT ENTRIES. WE HAVE, WE'RE RECESSING OUR FIVE FEET, FIVE FEET FROM THE BACK. SEE THAT ONE'S GO BACK TO THAT ONE. THAT ONE IS THE LOT IS HERE. THAT'S ADJACENT. IT'S THE FURTHEST THING TO THE STREET. THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT A 10 FOOT DRIVE, THAT'S A 25 FOOT DRIVE. THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT, YOU'VE GOT THAT ONE, WHICH IS THAT ONE [03:25:01] THAT'S GOTTA DRIVE FOR AN ENTRY GARAGE. MY HOU OUR LOTS HERE. THIS ONE IS THE FURTHEST, I'M FIVE FOOT BACK FROM THE EXISTENCE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE. THAT'S A 18 FOOT DRIVEWAY. WE'RE STILL GONNA COMPLY WITH IT. 10 FOOT. SO GUYS, I'M APPEALING TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW COULD HAVE BOUGHT A LOT ANYWHERE THEY WANT. THEY CHOSE THERE. I ACTUALLY CONVINCED, TRIED TO CONVINCE THEM TO BUILD WHERE I'M BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE AT, UH, OFFICE 1604 IN I 10. I SAID, NO, WE WANNA BE HERE. SO HAD I KNOWN IT WAS A, A LONGER PROCESS, THEY GOT LOAN READY APPROVAL. MY DAUGHTER MAY OR MAY NOT BE PREGNANT, SHE'S READY TO MOVE IN. WE'RE EIGHT MONTHS AWAY FROM BUILDING AND I JUST, I MEAN, IT'S AN EIGHT MONTH PROCESS TO BUILD. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THEM IN BEFORE THEY HAVE, IF THEY'RE HAVING CHILDREN TO HAVE CHILDREN. YOU KNOW, WE LOVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE NOT AIRBNB AND THAT'S EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING REMODELED OUT. THERE IS AN AIRBNB, A RENTAL, WHATEVER, UH, AN INVESTMENT. THEY WANNA HAVE CHILDREN THERE, THEY WANNA HAVE A FAMILY THERE. WE WANNA VISIT THERE, WE WANNA BE THERE. SO, UM, WE'RE APPEALING TO YOU TO HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION, SOME GUIDANCE IF WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING TO DO IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS? YEAH, WE HAVE, UH, BIANCA MALDONADO. UM, SHE'LL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. SHE'S WITH TOM SIMMONS AND TONY SANJE WHO HAVE BOTH YIELDED THEIR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN I GREAT, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT. LISTEN, I PUT A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TOGETHER TO BRING A LITTLE BIT OF MONTICELLO PARK TO YOU TODAY BECAUSE MY NAME'S BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THIS FIRST NEW CONSTRUCTION IN M P N A SINCE THE 1990S. THIS IS THE FIRST, UH, THIS PORTION WAS THE FOUNDING BOUNDARIES OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN IT WAS CREATED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS MONTICELLO PARK IN 1942 IN THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS AS WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT AS NAMED IN THIS AREA, UH, OF REFERENCING THIS AREA TO AREA TO BUILD. SO IF YOU CAN GO, CAN YOU GO TO THE PRESENTATION? SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS STEP THIS OUT FOR YOU, BECAUSE THIS LOT SITS IN A SERIES OF SEVEN HOMES THAT WERE BUILT BY STRAUSS NAAC STARTING ALL THE WAY AT 4 53 CLUB DRIVE. NOW ALL THESE HOMES ARE OF MASON RECONSTRUCTION WITH REGARDS TO STONE AND OR BRICK. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR ADVERTISEMENT, YOU'LL SEE BACK IN 1935, THESE WERE THE FIRST TWO HOMES THAT WERE BUILT CLOSE, CLOSE TO THIS LOT. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS THEM IN 1935. THIS IS 4 5 3 CLUB TODAY. AND IF YOU LOOK, THIS USED TO BE A GARAGE. IT'S NOW A DOUBLE, UH, FRENCH DOORS ON THE FRONT FACADE AND THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY ANYMORE. IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND YOU'LL SEE HERE THEY HAVE A SINGLE CAR DRIVEWAY APPROACH JUST AS 4 5 7. NEXT DOOR HAS A SINGLE CAR DRIVEWAY APPROACH, BUT THAT HOME HAS A DETACHED GARAGE LOCATED AT THE REAR. MY GOAL IS TO SHOW YOU THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND HOW THIS LEADS UP TO THIS BLOCK TO REALLY SHOW YOU WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS A HOUSE AT THE CORNER 4 59 CLUB DRIVE, WHICH IS ALSO NATHANIEL STRAUSS, NAAC HOME ALL BRICK CONSTRUCTION. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THE COMMON, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. THERE WAS AN UNSYMPATHETIC ADDITION THAT WAS MADE IN THE BACK, AND THESE CORNER LOTS HISTORICALLY HAD SITE ENTRANCES, GARAGES, THEY WERE DETACHED AND THEY WERE TWO CAR GARAGES. IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 5 0 1 CLUB DRIVE. UH, MR. SIMMONS IS ACTUALLY HERE. THIS IS HIS HOUSE. AND IT'S A PHENOMENAL HOUSE. THAT FRONT PORCH DIDN'T GET BUILT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THE ADVERTISEMENT AND THE PRIDE OF THE, OF THE CRAFTSMANSHIP THAT WAS MADE INTO THIS HOME. THIS IS AN ALL STONE HOME WITH A BARREL TILE ROOF. AND HERE'S THE HOUSE THAT IT IS TODAY. AND ONE OF THE FEATURES THAT ALL THESE HOMES HAVE IS THEY HAVE A SERPENTINE APPROACH, SIDEWALK APPROACH TO THE HOME. AND THEY ARE STONE OR BRICK ON ALL FOUR SIDES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NEXT ONE IS AT 5 0 5 CLUB, UH, FROM 1942. IT'S CALLED THE COLOR OF HOME. AND WHAT'S SO UNIQUE ABOUT 5 0 5 CLUB DRIVE, YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE. IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE NAAC LIVED. SO HE RESIDED THERE UNTIL HIS DEATH, UH, WHICH CAME VERY SUDDENLY AND EARLY. IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE TODAY. AND THIS HOUSE WAS, UM, REDEVELOPED, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. UM, BUT IF YOU'LL NOTICE, WHAT IS INTERESTING, WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE ON THE FAR LEFT IS A TWO CAR GARAGE. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S BALANCED WITH [03:30:01] THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE OVERALL TWO STORY IN THE MIDDLE AND THE SINGLE STORY STRUCTURES ON EITHER SIDE. THERE IS AN ADDITION THAT HAS BEEN MADE IN THE BACK, UM, BUT IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY RECESSED BACK. IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS ONE IS IN HOUSE NEXT DOOR. AND WHY IS THIS ONE SO IMPORTANT? THIS IS FIVE 11 CLUB DRIVE. AND SO THE REASON I SAY THIS ONE IS SO IMPORTANT, IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. WE HAVE THE VACANT LOT AT FIVE 15 CLUB DRIVE BECAUSE IT WAS SUBDIVIDED OFF OF FIVE 11 CLUB IN 2020 BY THE DEVELOPER. SO THEY HAVE CREATED THIS VERY SMALL LOT WHERE WE TYPICALLY HAVE MORE GRANDER LOTS, UM, THAT HAVE MORE SPATIAL AREAS TO TO CONSIDER. AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, AND THIS IS A GREAT AERIAL VIEW THAT'LL SHOW YOU WHERE FIVE 11 CLUB DRIVE IS IN REFERENCE TO FIVE 15 THAT'S LABELED ON THERE. YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE'S OUR VACANT LOT. SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT APPEARS TO BE A RETAINING WALL IS ACTUALLY A FENCE. IT WAS ORIGINALLY A FENCE THAT WAS ATTACHED TO FIVE 11 CLUB DRIVE AND SOME OF THAT STONE WORK WAS ALSO USED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. AND SO YOU COULD SEE THERE'S THE, THE, THE, THE WALKWAY APPROACH THAT WAS THERE. WE DON'T THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO REMAIN THAT IT CAN BE SALVAGED. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR THAT TO BE SAVED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN 1980, UM, AND THIS IS FIVE 19 CLUB DRIVE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 5 39 CLUB DRIVE IS ALSO A NATHANIEL STRAUSS NAAC HOME. IF YOU'LL NOTICE, IT HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE THAT'S RECESSED BACK FROM THE HOME. AND THEY ALL HAVE THAT CHARACTERISTIC SERPENTINE APPROACH THAT Y'ALL HAD TILE ROOFS ON THESE HOMES. THESE HOMES ARE ALL ORIGINAL FROM THOSE FUNDAMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS. SO I THINK THAT IS WHERE STAFF GOT THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, MASONRY ELEMENT OF BEING REEVALUATED, BECAUSE THIS IS PRIMARILY A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS A LOT OF STONE AND A LOT OF, UM, UH, ROCK THAT WAS IN BRICK THAT WAS BUILT, THE HOMES THAT WERE SHOWN TO YOU IN THE SLIDES, THAT WAS A PAINTED WHITE BRICK HOUSE WITH A TILE ROOF THAT'S FURTHER DOWN ON CLUB THAT HAS AL BEEN ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, WE NOTE THAT WE DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT. WE ASKED THEM TO PLEASE EVALUATE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES BECAUSE THEY HAD NOT COMPARED THEIR DESIGN TO THAT. WE ASKED THEM SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS SOME ROOF LINES TO LOWER THE PITCH. WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME HUGE CHALLENGES. WE'RE ALSO IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS ONE MORE, ONE MORE. IF YOU GO TO THE FRONT, SORRY, I PUT THE SLIDE BACK IN HERE. YOU'LL NOTICE THE TOPOGRAPHY. SO WE, WE SHARE THE SAME CONCERN WITH STAFF, HOW THAT FILL IS GONNA LOOK TOWARDS THE BACK END OF THE HOME. WE ALSO, UM, BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT THEIR STIPULATIONS FOR I, UH, FOR NUMBER ONE, FOR NUMBER TWO, FOR NUMBER THREE. UM, AND NUMBER FOUR, THE FINAL PERCENTAGE. NUMBER FIVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ABOUT THE CLADDING MATERIAL. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO STUCCO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE WATCHED THE RECORDING PREMIER YOUR D R C MEETING, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE INTRODUCTION, INTRODUCTION OF A SHINGLED ROOF. AND WE FEEL THAT IF A STUCCO PRODUCT IS GONNA BE BUILT, UM, FOR A HOME CLADDING ON THE EXTERIOR, IT SHOULD BE WITH A BARREL TILE ROOF. AND SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE THINK NEED TO GO HAND IN HAND TOGETHER. AND SO WE REALLY, UH, WE NOTE THAT THERE ARE SOME STUCCO HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE ON CLUB DRIVE. THEY'RE VERY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN, BETWEEN, BUT WE HOPE WE CAN CELEBRATE THEM. SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. SHE'S CORRECT. THERE, THERE IS ABOUT FIVE IN THAT LOT. THERE IS A LOT MORE IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD KIND OF HELP. YOU'VE GOT STUCK A BRICK ON THE LEFT. YOU GOT A STUCCO, PROPOSED STUCCO IN THE MIDDLE, AND YOU GOT A ROCK PARTY BOARD PLANK SIDING HOUSE ON THE RIGHT. YOU GOT A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE AT THE CORNER, A ROCK. I THINK THAT'S MY FAVORITE HOUSE IN THE CORNER, WHICH IS THE CORNER LOT. SHE SHOWED IT ON THE PICTURE. BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. THAT'S MY FAVORITE. UH, THEN YOU GOT A CORN RIGHT AT THE CORNER. YOU GOT THAT REAL BIG STUCCO HOUSE WHERE WE MIMIC THAT WINDOW FROM. UM, WE DID LOWER THE ROOF, LIKE I SAID, FROM A SIX 12 TO A FOUR 12. UM, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD GO BEAUTIFULLY POCKETED RIGHT INTO THAT BRICK STUCCO STONE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, LIKE ALL THE OTHER FIVE HOUSES, THEY'RE KIND OF MIXED IN WITH. THE STUCCO HOUSE IS MIXED IN WITH A BRICK HOUSE PAINTED WITH A STONE HOUSE. SIR, CAN YOU STAND A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY. DOWN THE STREET THERE'S AN, THE, THE OTHER STUCCO HOUSE. IT'S KIND OF MIXED IN WITH A VARIETY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES THAT WHOLE SUBDIVISION SPECIAL IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE JUST STONE ON ONE BLOCK. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. YOU DON'T HAVE JUST BRICK ON ONE BLOCK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. YOU HAVE AN ECLECTIC, KIND OF A VARIETY, A GREAT TASTE, A PALLET OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT HOUSES. AND I THINK THAT IS WHY MY DAUGHTER WAS SO ATTRACTED TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU GOT RED BRICK, YOU GOT STUCCO, [03:35:01] YOU GOT STONES, YOU GOT BEAUTIFUL HOUSES, YOU GOT SOME THAT ARE AND OKAY. BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S AN ECLECTIC AND A BEAUTIFUL PALETTE OF DIFFERENT VARIETIES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT ATTRACTED HER TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION CARPENTER. QUICK QUESTION. DID YOU EXPLORE ANY, UM, SCHEMES THAT PUSHED THE GARAGE BACK FURTHER OR CREATED ATTACHED GARAGE? UH, ON THIS, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE RUNDOWN. IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM, THIS, LIKE SHE MENTIONED, THIS IS A PORTION OF A FULL LOT. SO I HAD SIX, I'M THE ARCHITECT AS WELL. SO I HAD 55 FEET IN WIDTH TO PLAY WITH. THE HOUSE IS 45 FEET. AND YOU MENTIONED IT WAS 2,400 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S THE TOTAL 1900 IS THE LIVING SQUARE FEET. UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, ON THE DIAGRAM ON THE BOTTOM WHERE THE SITE PLAN IS, IT'S SHOWING A DASH LINE ON THE BACK THAT IS A FLOODPLAIN THAT MY C UH, CIVIL ENGINEER PO CAMARILLO IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON. UH, WE CANNOT ENCROACH INTO THAT, UH, FLOODPLAIN WITHOUT HAVING SPECIAL PERMITS, SPECIAL, SPECIAL ITEMS. SO WE PUSH THAT BACK FOUR FEET AS CLOSE TO THE FLOOD PAINT AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT. UH, AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I PUSHED IT BACK FIVE FEET WHERE THE FRONT, THE TWO FRONT OR TWO FEET FORWARD, CLOSEST TO THE STREET. SO YES. AND EXPLORING A REAR ENTRY GARAGE WOULD NOT BE FEASIBLE WITH THAT FLOODPLAIN IN THE BACK. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE BEING ON THE COMMISSION OR RATHER AT THE D R C, THIS WAS DISCUSSED TO DETACHED GARAGE AND I THINK HE, HE, HE TRIED MOVING THINGS AROUND AND THAT FLOODPLAIN IS WHAT'S MAKING IT, MAKING IT DIFFICULT. IT'S, IT'S MAKING ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR TO DO ANYTHING WITH, WITH BACK THERE. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. UM, COMMISSIONER GRU, WELL, UM, THANK YOU MR. GARZA. I, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO D R C AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. WE ALREADY DID A D R C, ANOTHER ONE. OKAY, I'LL SECOND. WHAT IS, UH, D R C DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? SO THE REASON MR. GARZA THAT I WAS, CAN I CONTINUE MR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP? UM, BECAUSE I DO, I, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, UH, MADE A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO, SO I'M VERY PROUD OF LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO. AND IT IS A, A VERY SPECIAL STREET. THE FLOODPLAIN, I, THAT'S WHERE WE COME IN, RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY WHY THIS COMMISSION IS HERE, IS LIKE THAT. THERE'S CERTAIN ASPECTS TO THE SLOT THAT MAKES IT HARDER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EXPLORE MORE. NOW, THIS IS NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A FRONT FACING GARAGE. I THINK THERE WERE SOME EXAMPLES, BUT I THINK MAYBE THERE'S A WAY AROUND WORKING IT. SO IT'S LESS IF WE WANNA PULL OUT THE, THE DRAWING OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND I KNOW THIS IS JUST CONCEPTUAL AND I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR YOUR DAUGHTER. MY, MY CONCERN HERE IS EVEN IF I COMPARE THIS TO THE FIVE HOUSES, STUCCO HOUSES THAT ARE ON CLUB, WE'RE NOT THERE YET BECAUSE THIS IS A MIX OF, THERE'S SOME MODERN, YOU GOT A FLAT ROOF, I DON'T KNOW, THE STUCCO, THE COLUMNS, THE, THE LITTLE STUCCO FRAME AROUND THE WINDOWS. I THINK YOU'RE BRINGING ELEMENTS FROM A MEDITERRANEAN MODERN HOME. I USED TO LIVE IN ONE IN ON 1604 THAT JUST LOOKED LIKE THAT COMPARED TO THE MEDITERRANEAN OR SPANISH HOMES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK THAT'S JUST, I THINK WHAT'S CONFUSING HERE IS LIKE YOU'RE NOT DOING A SPANISH, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A MEDITERRANEAN MODERN HOME. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NONE OF THEM HAVE LIKE THE BRICK AWNING OVER THE GARAGE OR, UH, SORRY, THE TILE, THE, THE ROOF BREAK OVER THE GARAGE OR THE LITTLE CORNER, LIKE AROUND THE, THE FRONT DOOR. THIS LIKE SQUARE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD FOCUS THE D R C ON IS FINDING THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE MORE YOUR SITE PLAN. AND IF, IF YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER ALREADY WORKING ON IT, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR BACK BECAUSE WELL, THE ENGINEER'S WORKING ON THE FLOODPLAIN. YEAH. UH, THE FLOODPLAIN TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH YOU CAN GO FURTHER BACK. NOT, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE FLOODPLAIN IS ESTABLISHED ALREADY. UH, WE WE'RE FINDING OUT EXACTLY FROM WHERE TO WHERE, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT SECTION. OKAY. UM, AND IN RELATION TO THE FLAT ROOF, WE'VE TAKEN, EVERY PIECE THAT'S OUT IN THIS HOUSE IS A PIECE OF THE EXISTING HOUSES THAT ARE OUT THERE. I KNOW, BUT THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MIX IN [03:40:01] AND NOT KEEPING WITH ONE DESIGN. AND THAT'S KIND OF LIKE WHERE I FEEL LIKE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE TOO. UM, I, I I MEAN I WOULD CONSIDER YOU LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATION, I MEAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MADE TODAY AND LOOKING AT THOSE HOMES, I WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN, MAYBE YOU SHOULD FIND A, MAYBE YOU BUILD UP OR MAYBE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT GARAGE A LITTLE BIT. LIKE, I THINK THERE WAS IMPORTANT ELEMENTS OF THAT PRESENTATION THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BEFORE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I THINK A LITTLE BIT ALSO WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LAST CASE. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE GOING WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THERE'S SO MANY STIPULATIONS. I KNOW SOME OF THEM YOU HAD THEM TODAY IN PAPER, WHICH IS FINE. I TOTALLY TRUST YOU. SO I THINK A LOT OF THESE STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN WELL, AND I COMPLI WITH, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE WHERE WE LIKE REALLY LOOK AT THE DESIGN IN DETAILS AND NOT SPEND THE TIME HERE DOING THAT. SO THAT CLARIFICATION, THAT WOULD BE A, UM, NOT A SITE VISIT, BUT A, UH, WELL, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE IN A SITE, A VIRTUAL UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS IN. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU LIVED THERE. I I KIND OF FEEL THAT THIS IS MORE OF A PERSONAL THING THAN A COMMITTEE. I, I THINK I SAID THE SAME THING FOR THE LAST CASE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. I FEEL LIKE WE, AS A COMMISSIONER, I TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE'RE INTRODUCING NEW BUILD AND WHAT WE'RE INTRODUCING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHERE, WHERE THIS ALSO COMES FROM IS WE'RE GONNA INTRODUCE SOMETHING NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HASN'T BEEN A NEW BUILD IN A LONG TIME. I THINK LET'S DO IT RIGHT. LET'S DO IT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING AND LET'S MAKE SURE IT FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND YOUR DAUGHTER WILL HAVE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HOME IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. . SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I HAVE NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. WELL, I ALSO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I I DO LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING YOUR, YOUR DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW TO IT. AND I THINK THEY WILL ENJOY. IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY. AND, UH, THE FOLKS THAT SPOKE OUT TODAY, UM, ARE ARE SPEAKING OUT, UH, NOT TO, YOU KNOW, HASSLE YOUR PROCESS, BUT TO REALLY TO HELP PRESERVE WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I I I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE THAT TO HEART. UH, MY, MY MY CONCERN IS THAT YES, THERE ARE HOUSES ALONG THAT STREET THAT HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES, BUT THEY TEND TO BE ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE. AND THEREFORE THE GARAGE HAS LESS OF AN IMPACT ON THE OVERALL, UH, FACADE APPEARANCE OF, OF THE STRUCTURE. AND YES, YOU HAVE THE, THE CHALLENGE OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE, UH, FLOOD ZONE IN THE BACK. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S VERY DAUNTING BUT NOT INSURMOUNTABLE. SO I'M, I'M WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE SOME, UH, RE-ENGINEERING OF THE SITE THAT WOULD PER PERMITS YOU TO DEVELOP MORE OF IT. AND SO, UM, I WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME APPROVING THIS AS IT IS BECAUSE OF THE, THE DOMINANCE OF THE GARAGE AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE, OF THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE STUCCO USE BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS, UM, A WHILE CLUB DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF IT THERE IS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS YOU ME MENTIONED, EXAMPLES OF THE SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVAL THAT, UH, MAKE USE OF THAT MATERIAL. SO I THINK THE MATERIAL PALLET WOULD BE WELCOME. AND GIVEN THE, THE SCALE OF THIS BEING A SMALLER HOUSE, IT KIND OF JUSTIFIES, MAYBE IT GOES TO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, UM, A MODEST MATERIAL PALETTE RATHER THAN SOME OF THE LARGER HOUSES THAT HAVE HAVE THE STONE. SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS YOU'VE, YOU HAVE GOOD EYE AND YOU'VE GONE AND YOU'VE, UH, ABSORBED A LOT OF WHAT ARE THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES ON, ON HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT, UH, FOR ME THAT THE ROLE, THE IMPACT THE GARAGE IS HAVING ON THE, THE FACADE OF THIS HOUSE IS VERY DISRUPTIVE TO ACHIEVING, I THINK THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO, TO HAVE. AND AS A RESULT, IT'S, IT'S GENERATING SOMETHING THAT FEELS MORE OF KIND OF THAT MEDITERRANEAN SUBURBAN TYPE OF, UM, RE REFERENCE THAT UH, UH, COMMISSIONER G GRU MADE MENTION OF, WHICH ISN'T WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT IS THE SPANISH COLONIAL KIND OF MORE OF A MODEST STRUCTURE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU ON THIS. AND I'M SORRY I WASN'T ABLE TO BE PART OF THE OTHER DRCS. AND AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S PERSONAL, I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR CITY, WE TAKE IT PERSONALLY AND IT'S NOT JUST WHETHER IT'S THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANTED TO TRY TO SAFE SAFEGUARD OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS THE BOARD. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, CERVANTES, YES, I THINK THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE HEARING THOSE POINTS. IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST E R C SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WORKED. SOME OF IT I THINK PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT TO STAFF. YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STIPULATIONS. IF [03:45:01] YOU COULD'VE GOTTEN 'EM IN, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN HERE AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN A, PROBABLY WOULD'VE SAVED YOU AT D R C. UH, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT THE PERSON WHOSE DISTRICT THIS PROPERTY'S IN ATTEND AND BE COORDINATE WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE THERE AND THEY'RE THERE AT THE SAME TIME. UM, AS WELL AS THE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EMOTIONAL I'LL, UM, YES. OKAY. WELL, I, I, I WANNA MAKE THAT AMENDMENT JUST 'CAUSE IF WE CAN PUT THAT IN THERE, THAT'D BE GREAT. SO I JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WHAT, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? DO WE, WELL, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION AND WE'LL VOTE ON THE MOTION TO SEND THIS TO D R C THEN A, UH, VIRTUAL D R C WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK AND THEN YOU WOULD BE BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE, UH, NOVEMBER 2ND. SO IN THE MEANWHILE, DO WE WAIT, DO WE REACH, DO I REDESIGN? I WOULD SAY, UH, SUBMIT EVERYTHING THAT YOU YEAH. BROUGHT TODAY, LET'S STAFF LOOK AT IT AND WE'LL GET THEIR TAKE ON IT WHEN WE HAVE THE D R C. AND UM, AGAIN, REVIEW, UH, THE ITEMS THAT, UM, SUCH AS THE GARAGE, WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG, UH, UH, LOT OF COMMENT ON THE GARAGE, NOT JUST FROM STAFF AND THE COMMISSION, BUT ALSO, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND, UM, FEEL FREE TO, UH, COME TO THE D R C WITH, UH, SKETCHES OR, UH, OTHER OPTIONS FOR HOW TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. UM, ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. SABINA? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE. IS THAT WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT I'M VOTING FOR, OR WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS SECOND AND WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON THE MAIN MOTION. GOT IT. OKAY. ARE YOU MAKING, ARE YOU ASKED? I MADE AN AMENDMENT. I GUESS NO ONE SECONDED THE AMENDMENT THEN. RIGHT. OKAY. GOTCHA. SO DO YOU VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MAIN MOTION FOR A D R C? YES. WITHOUT THE AMENDMENT? NO. AND FETZER? YES. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND WE DO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO ATTEND THAT D R C. WELL, IF I COULD, MR. CHAIR, JUST QUICKLY, QUICKLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT ONE, THAT SEEMS TO BE A, A HABITUAL THING. IS IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT ALWAYS, THE DRCS AREN'T ALWAYS ATTENDED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE DISTRICT. ALL THE DISTRICTS, RIGHT. I'M NOT, NOT SINGLING ANYONE OUT, BUT USUALLY IT'S THE, IT'S THE USUAL SUSPECTS AND WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO GIVE GUIDANCE ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT IN THEIR DISTRICT JUST SEVEN YEARS ON THE COMMISSION. IT IS A TREND. AND I'M SORRY, I WAS OUT OF TOWN, OUT OF THE COUNTRY. IT'S OKAY. I'LL ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. SO AGENDA ITEM 13. ITEM 13 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 5 2 2 23 EAST CAROLINA STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH A REAR DETACHED ONE STORY TWO BAY REAR GARAGE, CONSTRUCT A METAL AND WOOD CARPORT WITH METAL SHIPPING CONTAINER CONSTRUCT A REAR TWO STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, DEMOLITION OF THE DETACHED REAR ONE STORY TWO BAY GARAGE BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH G. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT MADE A CASE FOR LOSS OF INTEGRITY OR UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THAT WOULD WARRANT FULL DEMOLITION OF THE FUTURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT FURTHER EXPLORE RETENTION OR INCORPORATION OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE INTO THE PROPOSED CARPORT. SHOULD THE H D R C NOT APPROVE THIS REQUEST RECONSTRUCTION OR RESTORATION OF THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS MAY BE REQUIRED. SHOULD THE COMMISSION FIND THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE LAVACCA HISTORIC DISTRICT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR CARPORT WITH SHIPPING CONTAINER BASED ON FINDINGS H THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CARPORT TO BETTER CONFORM WITH DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CARPORT CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD SO THAT IT RELATES TO THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MOVES, REMOVES THE SHIPPING CONTAINER FROM THE PROPERTY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR TWO-STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING BASED ON FINDINGS K THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW PROFILES THAT HAVE MORE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND CONFIGURATIONS ONE OVER ONE AND OTHERWISE MEET THE STANDARD SPECIFICATION FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL [03:50:01] SPECIFICATIONS IN DETAILS FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT REMOVED THE CONTINUOUS SEW LINE FROM THE DESIGN. AND FIVE, THE APPLICANT. UH, FIVE THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING ALL SETBACK AND BUILDING SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS PER THE ZONING CO CODE. UH, WE HAVE THE OWNER ALAN YOSHIDA, UM, VIA WEBEX. THERE ARE TWO LETTERS ON FILE FROM, UH, LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL AFTER THE, UM, OWNER PRESENTATION. MR. YIDA, ARE YOU THERE? YEP. UH, YOU CAN GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. UH, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. SO THE GOAL HERE TODAY IS TO, UH, GET APPROVAL TO BUILD THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BUILDING IN THE BACK, UH, SO THAT I CAN HAVE A PLACE TO HAVE MY KIDS STAY WHEN THEY COME AND VISIT. 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN MY LITTLE HOUSE THAT I'M IN RIGHT NOW. THE, UH, WINDOW PROFILES, UH, REQUIREMENT. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHEN I TALKED WITH MY ARCHITECT, MY ARCHITECT WAS GONNA DIAL IN, BUT UH, HE WASN'T ABLE TO 'CAUSE HE HAD TO DEPART FOR A, UH, FAMILY EMERGENCY. SO HE, HE GETS THAT, UH, WHAT IS IT? WE'LL CALL IT ITEM I OR ONE, UH, IF WE'RE DOING ROMAN NUMERALS HERE. SO HE GETS THE WINDOWS THING ONE OVER ONE. HE'LL UH, HE'LL WORK THAT IN THERE. THE NEXT ONE IS THE INCORPORATE THE WINDOWS IN THE EAST ELEVATION. SO ON THAT WE'LL CALL IT THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU LOOK AT IT OR THE EAST SIDE OF THE THING. YEAH, THERE, THERE'S A GOOD DRAWING THERE. WE'LL, WE'LL PUT SOME, UH, WE'LL PUT SOME OF THE ONE OVER ONE STYLE OF WINDOWS IN THERE, UH, SUBMITS MATERIALS. SO HE, HE GETS THAT. THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAD ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS ROMAN NUMERAL NUMBER, UH, FOUR, WHICH WAS REMOVE THE CONTINUOUS SILL LINE FROM THE DESIGN. CAN YOU GUYS CLARIFY WHAT YOU, UH, WHAT YOU MEAN THERE? STAFF IS SPEAKING ABOUT THIS, UH, WHITE LINE THAT RUNS UNDERNEATH THE SECOND STORY WINDOWS THAT WRAPS AROUND, UH, THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. SO JUST GET RID OF THAT. THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT LIKE GETTING RID OF THE WHITE COLOR OR GETTING RID OF THE PRESENCE OF A TRIM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THAT SEW LINE. SO Y YES, THE TRIM. OKAY. SO LIKE ON MY CURRENT HOUSE, IF WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE CURRENT HOUSE, LIKE FROM THE FRONT, WE'LL CALL IT THE, UH, THERE IS A SEAM THERE. YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD PICTURE THERE. MOVING A LITTLE QUICK. THERE WE GO. SEE THAT SEAM THERE AT THE, LIKE RIGHT ABOVE THE VENT, UNDER THE WINDOW. SO TO CLARIFY, THAT'S A JOINT BETWEEN THE ELEVATION AND THE SKIRT. UM, SO A CONTINUOUS CELL LINE IS A PIECE THAT SITS AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE WINDOWS. OKAY. SO IF IT WASN'T AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW, BUT IT WAS 1, 2, 3, 4, UH, UH, WHATEVER THAT WOOD THAT GOES HORIZONTAL IS CALLED, IT'S FOUR OF THOSE ACROSS, OR IT'S FOUR OF THOSE DOWN. WE'RE GOOD. THAT'S A QUESTION. I THINK THE APPLICANT IS ASKING THE COMMISSION IF THE SILL LINE WAS MOVED SO THAT IT WAS MORE LIKE A, AT THE FLOOR PLATE HEIGHT OR SOMETHING, IF THAT WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTABLE. WELL, WE CAN GET INTO THAT SPECIFIC DISCUSSION, UM, MOMENTARILY. OKAY. BUT, UM, ALRIGHT. AND THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAD. THE LAST ONE. RESPONSIBLE FOR MEETING ALL SETBACKS. THE DESIGN WILL MEET ALL SETBACKS AS REQUIRED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, YOU SAID WE HAD SOME VOICEMAILS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 13. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO BELIEVES THAT THE DISREGARD FOR THE PERMITTING PROCESS EXHIBITED AT 2 2 3 EAST CAROLINA POINTS TO THE NEED FOR STIFFER PENALTIES AND HIGHER DAILY FINES FOR VIOLATIONS. APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED UNTIL THE VIOLATION HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND THAT'S THE ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THESE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEMOLISHED. THAT'S CORRECT. [03:55:01] SO WE DON'T HAVE, WHERE'S THE MATERIAL? UH, UH, THE, THE MATERIAL THAT WAS RECOVERED THAT WASN'T ROTTEN FROM THE, UH, TERMITE DAMAGE IS, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE CARPORT, WE'LL CALL IT THE FRONT. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SEE IT ON THE VERY TOP THERE. REUSED IN, IN A FASHION THAT WAS EXTREMELY SIMILAR, IF NOT EXACTLY THE SAME BECAUSE I, I USED THE EXACT SAME MATERIALS THAT I WAS ABLE TO RECOVER THAT WASN'T ROTTEN, UH, TO CREATE THAT, UH, ASSAD, WE'LL CALL IT. AND, AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF REBUILDING AND TAKING SOME OF THE CONSIDERATION FROM STAFF? OR YOU WANT US TO APPROVE IT AS IT IS TODAY? UH, I'D LIKE TO APPROVE IT AS IT IS TODAY IN CONTAINER AS WELL. UH, YEAH, THE CONTAINER IS A NON-PERMANENT THING. IT'S, UH, IT STORES MY, UH, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND MY TOOLS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I CAN'T FIT IN MY LITTLE HOUSE. FURTHER QUESTION. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? YEAH. THOSE TWO THINGS AREN'T CONNECTED IN ANY WAY. UH, IF I HAVE TO MOVE IT, I WOULD NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S UNDER 300 SQUARE FEET, SO I DON'T, UH, AND IT'S NOT PERMANENT, SO I DON'T SEE WHY I WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IT, BUT I, THERE'S A COUPLE HOUSES UP THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO THE, UH, ENTRY FOR, UH, FLORIDA STREET. THAT'S LIKE A HOUSE MADE OUT OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER AND A STORAGE CONTAINER. MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MR. YOSHIDA. UM, I, UM, I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING SOME PARTS IN THE STORY AND THE TIMELINE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. SO THERE WAS A GARAGE IN PLACE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED, CORRECT? I BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 2019, UHHUH . IT WAS, UH, ROTTEN FROM TERMITES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT V WELL, WE'LL CALL IT A, IT'S ALMOST LIKE TWO STRUCTURES PUT TOGETHER, BUT THE V NOTCH IN THE MIDDLE WAS JUST WHAT CAUSED WATER DAMAGE, WHAT APPEARED TO BE WATER DAMAGE, WHICH CAUSED THE TERMITES TO COME OVER AND, AND TAKE OVER. AND THAT STRUCTURE DID NOT, UH, WAS NOT VERY SAFE. SO MY QUESTION GOES TO THE TI IT GOES TO THE PROCESS. GOES TO THE PROCESS, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE CONDITION THAT YOU FOUND, THE GARAGE. UM, SO YOU TORE THIS DOWN AND DID YOU GET A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR IT IN 2020? A UH, MY NEIGHBOR'S PECAN TREE FELL ON MY HOUSE AND CRUSHED MY TRUCK, AND THAT'S WHEN THIS CAME DOWN. OKAY. AND THEN THE METAL CARPORT, DID YOU, UM, GET A PERMIT FOR THAT? UH, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, IF, UH, IT'S HELPFUL, UM, FINDING B AND C IS CASE HISTORY AND VIOLATION RELATED TO THE REQUESTS. FINDINGS B AND C ARE CASE HISTORY AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE VIOLATIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WELL THEN I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, IS THERE A REASON WHY MR. YOSHIDA, YOU DIDN'T PURSUE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THESE ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPERTY? UH, WAY I UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE RULES WAS FOR THE SHIPPING CONTAINER, WHICH IS UNDER 300 SQUARE FEET, I COULD JUST PUT IT ON, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NO, UH, NO REQUIREMENT, GET A PERMIT. AND THEN FOR THE OVERHANG, I FOLLOWED THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT, USING THE SAME MATERIALS THAT I COULD RECOVER SAFELY. AND, UH, REBUILT IN THE SAME EXACT SPOT, ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK. IT WAS IN, IN LINE WITH WHERE IT WAS BEFORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE QUESTIONS. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO MR. YIDA, UM, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, SINO WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN HER QUESTION TO YOU, AND IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THE ANSWER WAS A PROPER ANSWER THAT CAME THROUGH. SO, UM, SHE ASKED ABOUT A PERMIT TO TEAR THE STRUCTURE DOWN. YOU MENTIONED A TREE HIT THE HOUSE, BUT ARE YOU SAYING, AND THEN YOU SAY YOU TOOK DOWN THE STRUCTURE. SO DID THE [04:00:01] TREE HIT THE STRUCTURE OR THE TREE HIT YOUR HOUSE? THE STRUCTURE WAS ROTTEN AND TERMITE, UH, RIDDEN. SO THE STRUCTURE, SO THE TREE HIT MY HOUSE AND CRUSHED MY TRUCK. I DID NOT, IT, IT WAS LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO A THING AND IT WASN'T SAFE, SO I BROUGHT IT DOWN. SO THE TREE DID NOT HIT THIS STRUCTURE? NOT, NOT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, NO. SO UP AGAIN TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAD, SO YOU DID NOT GET A PERMIT TO DO THIS, YOU JUST DECIDED TO TEAR IT DOWN, UM, ON YOUR OWN. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SAFE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. CAN I DO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP NOW READING AND THANK YOU JESSICA, TO, UM, FINDING B DID YOU OWN THE HOME WHEN THERE WAS A, WHEN WE HAD THIS IN A HEARING IN SEPTEMBER OF 2019, WERE YOU THE ONE THAT WENT TO THE D R C WITH US? YES. SO I GUESS IT'S JUST TO, TO WHAT COMMISSIONER GIBBS AND COMMISSIONER SAVINA SAID, YOU KNEW THAT WE DID NOT FIND THE STRUCTURE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEMOL, WE DIDN'T GIVE A PERMIT FOR DEMOL. YOU KNEW THE PROCESS AND YOU STILL WENT AHEAD. YEAH, WE HAD THAT SEPARATE MEETING WHERE THE CONVERSATION WAS IF IT STAYS UNDER 300 SQUARE FEET, WE CAN, UH, I DIDN'T NEED TO GET A PERMIT, BUT THAT, UH, THIS MEETING WAS CONCERNING THE DEMOLITION. AND THEN WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT REDESIGNING THE ROOF LINE SO IT DOESN'T ATTRACT WATER. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER SEEING SOME OF THIS. I THINK THERE WAS, UH, I THINK IT WAS A DEMOLISHED REQUEST AND YOU WERE GONNA DO LIKE A CARPORT AND SOMETHING WITH YEAH, I WAS GONNA DO SOMETHING SUPER MODERN. BUT THEN YOU GUYS, AND YOU HAD A BIG PICKUP THAT YOU NEEDED ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE. I THINK. I, I JUST RECALL SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEP. YEAH, YOU, YOU WERE IN THE ROOM. YEAH. SO I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN, YOU KNEW THE PROCESS AND THEN YOU JUST WENT ON AND, AND, AND, AND IT JUST PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, OKAY, THE GARAGE IS GONE, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE A DECISION ON WHAT'S BUILT AND FORGET THE CONTAINER. IT'S MOSTLY THE PERMANENT STRUCTURE. SO, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION, A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO A D C? YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION. A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN YOUR OR ELABORATE? UM, PERHAPS WE CAN, UM, LOOK AT THE SITE, LOOK AT THE CARPORT, LOOK AT THE SHIPPING CONTAINER, THE WHOLE SITE LAYOUT AND INCLUDE THE A D U AND THE, AND JUST, UH, GET A CLOSER LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. UM, MR. YASH, I, I, I, I THINK THAT FROM THE QUESTIONING THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, AND YOU HOPEFULLY YOU GET AN UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND, AND WITHOUT PERMISSION AND BY THE PERMIT. AND THEN IT, IT SEEMS THAT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, IT SEEMS THAT YOU JUST, UM, HAVE LIKE THIS CALLOUS ATTITUDE TOWARDS THIS SITUATION. LIKE, YOU KNOW, I FELT AS THOUGH IT WAS UNSAFE, SO THEREFORE I TOOK IT DOWN. AND SO, AND EVEN THOUGH WHEN YOU, IT, IT SEEMS THAT THE DIRECTION YOU WERE TRYING TO TAKE US IN WAS NOT THE ACTUAL CASE AND, UM, DEALT WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE HERE AS FAR AS THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE. AND SO YOU'VE REALLY PUT US IN A, A, A TOUGH SITUATION HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, OUR, WE'RE HERE TO TRY TO ASSIST, BUT IT, IT SEEMS THAT YOU'RE, UM, YOU'RE KIND OF BACKING US INTO A CORNER HERE. SO JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CAUTION YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE QUESTIONING AND TRYING TO GET TO THE, THE ROOT OF THE SITUATION HERE. IT'S SO WE CAN MAKE A, AN EDUCATED DECISION, UM, BASED ON ALL THE FACTORS. AND WHEN YOU KIND OF, YOU KNOW, VEER OFF OF THE, THE ONES THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO GET AT IT, IT UM, KIND OF HELPS US TO, YOU KNOW, DRAW CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE VERY MUCH IN YOUR FAVOR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. WELL, I THINK, UM, THE CALLER ON BEHALF OF THIS PROJECT, UH, HAD IT RIGHT THAT THERE'S BEEN SORT OF A, UM, A WANTED DISREGARD OF THE PROCESS HERE. AND, UM, I THINK A D R C MIGHT [04:05:01] BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP WORK ON EDUCATING THE, UH, THE APPLICANT TO THE PROCESS AND ALSO ALLOW THE COMMISSIONERS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE, UH, THE CONTEXT. BUT, UM, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR. GIBBS ON, ON, WHEN AN APPLICANT IS SORT OF PURPOSELY EVASIVE, THAT'S NOT A GOOD WAY OF, OF, UM, OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE COMMISSION , UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CONVINCING THEM THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS, IS A GOOD IDEA. SO I, I'D REALLY HOPE THAT YOU COULD EMBRACE THE PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD AND LET'S BE, YOU KNOW, FORTHRIGHT AND HONEST AND STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, AND, UH, AND GET TO THE, THE BOTTOM OF THIS AND GET YOU WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU NEED OUT OF THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU? YEAH, IN MY MIND, I DON'T WANNA SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, MR. YOSHI, THAT YOU, I MEAN, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE BACK AT, WHAT WE WERE IN 19. WE DID GO TO A D R C, WE EXPLAINED THE PROCESS. I JUST DON'T WANNA, AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO COMING AND GETTING THE PROJECT, RIGHT. AND SO I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW. I DUNNO, YET HE'LL SUPPORT THE, THE, THE MOTION. BUT MR. ISHI, THAT WHAT I'M GOING TO I RECOMMEND YOU IS, I MEAN, IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD DENY THE WHOLE CARPORT SITUATION AND I WOULD SEPARATE THE A D U AS A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL, AND I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT TODAY EITHER WITHOUT ALL THE STIPULATIONS BEING MET AND YOUR ARCHITECT REDOING THE DRAWINGS BEFORE EITHER. SO JUST TO RECOMMENDATION FOR WHEN YOU COME BACK. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, IS IT POSSIBLE TO RETRACT MY MOTION? YES. AFTER LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES A MOTION OR CAN ALWAYS RETRACT YOUR OWN MOTION, THEN THAT'S WHAT I'LL DO. SO LOOKING SECOND FOR THE MOTION HAS BEEN RETRACTED. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW MOTION MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION BE DENIED. I THINK THE WHOLE THING. SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, WE'RE REVISITING SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS AGAIN, OVER AND OVER. IT'S TWO YEARS AGO. I WASN'T EVEN HERE FOR THAT, BUT I'M HEARING ENOUGH HISTORY ON THIS TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME ANSWER'S GONNA COME OUT THAT HE GOT THE LAST TIME AND IT, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. UH, NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER GRU. I MEAN, IT, IT DOES GIVE HIM SOME OPTIONS ANYWAY, SO YEAH, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER SAVINA? NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO. COMMENT, AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO, UM, SEPARATE THE A D U, UH, SUBMIT THE, UM, AS A SEPARATE APPLICATION WITH YOUR, UH, RESPONSE TO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE A D U. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAV? AYE. MAZUA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 14. SORRY, THAT WAS A LOT TRADE DOWN. I HAVEN'T PREPARED PROPERLY. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 14 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 5 6 9 0 2 EAST GRAYSON STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY AND INSTALL A CAR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY EXTENSION BASED ON FINDING. D STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF A CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS E N F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A DETACHED CARPORT, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A DETACHED CARPORT AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A CARPORT, CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD SO THAT IT RELATES TO THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. AND WE HAVE THE OWNER, ERIN O'SHAUGHNESSY, UH, VIA WEBEX. HELLO. THANK YOU ALL FOR STICKING AROUND TO HEAR, UM, , MY LAST PLEA. UM, SO I'M HERE TO, UM, ASK, UH, FOR APPROVAL FOR THE MODIFICATIONS TO MY CARPORT THAT WERE PROPOSED AT THE LAST MEETING AND REVIEWED AT THE LAST DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO RE REITERATE THAT WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME IN 2019, [04:10:01] UM, I WASN'T GIVEN ANY INFORMATION ABOUT BEING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON MY PART ABOUT WHETHER I WAS OFFICIALLY IN THE GOVERNMENT HILL, UM, DISTRICT AS MY STREET SIGNS ON MY CORNER ARE NOT BROWN, THEY ARE BLUE. AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE DISTRICT'S, UH, UH, WEBSITE FOR THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY OR THE BOUNDS OF THE, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT SAYS THAT IT ENDS ON WILLOW STREET AND I AM ON PINE STREET. AND NOT UNTIL YOU, UM, CLICK ON THE MAP, DO YOU SEE THAT THE DISTRICT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO PINE STREET ON GRAYSON STREET ONLY. SO AGAIN, I'M THE VERY LAST PROPERTY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND AGAIN, UM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT I WAS IN THE OFFICIAL DISTRICT. AND SO THAT IS WHY I DIDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS OF GETTING AN, UM, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BEFORE BUILDING THE CARPORT. UM, SO WHAT WE ARE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS, UM, CURRENTLY THE CARPORT IS MADE OF A, IT'S AN ALUMINUM STRUCTURE. IT IS, UM, CURRENTLY 10 BY 12, UH, 12, SORRY, 10 BY 22. AND, UM, AFTER THE LAST MEETING, UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO REMOVE THREE FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE, UM, FROM THE FRONT OF THE CARPORT. SO IT WOULD BE, UM, MORE, APPEAR MORE SET BACK, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY AND NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOF LINE. AND SO THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I, THE MODIFICATIONS I HAVE RECOMMENDED. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE DRAWING, UM, THE GREEN LINES ARE SHOWING WHAT THE NEW PROPOSED CARPORT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO I WOULD BE REMOVING ACTUALLY 44 INCHES, UM, FROM THE FRONT OF THE CARPORT, WHICH IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAD RECOMMENDED AND REMOVING ONE OF THE POST, UM, FROM THREE TO TWO. SO, UM, I THINK THE FINISHED PRODUCT WAS, UM, AROUND 18 FEET. LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT. YOU PROBABLY HAVE IT MORE READILY AVAILABLE. LET'S SEE. UM, SO IT WOULD BE GO, IT WOULD GO FROM 22 FEET TO 18.4, UM, FEET, 18 FEET, FOUR INCHES. AND, UM, SO THAT IS WHAT I AM HOPING TO GET APPROVAL FOR TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. UH, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE D R C. I'M SORRY, I GO AHEAD AND EXCUSE AT THE D R C, UH, WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT, UM, POTENTIALLY MOVING IT BACK AND YOU GAVE SOME, SOME, UH, SOME OBSERVATIONS THAT YOUR BUILDER GAVE YOU FOR MOVING IT FURTHER BACK. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT PLEASE, FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD? YES. UM, SO ONE OF THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS BESIDES REMOVING THREE FEET FROM THE FRONT WAS TO DETACH, WAS TO DETACH IT FROM THE HOUSE AND MOVE IT BACK. I DON'T, WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW EXACT FEE, BUT I'M ASSUMING ABOUT 10 FEET OR SO. UM, IF TO DO THAT WOULD REQUIRE ME TO EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER. UM, AND I WOULD HAVE TO INCUR ADDITIONAL COSTS, PROBABLY AT LEAST $2,000. AND I'D ALSO HAVE TO CUT DOWN A TREE. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A TREE IN THE BACK, UM, ON THE LAWN BACK THERE THAT I WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT DOWN IF I WERE TO EXTEND, UM, MOVE THE STRUCTURE BACK. THERE WAS ALSO SOME QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE STRUCTURE WOULD IN, UM, INCUR AND BEING DETACHED AND PHYSICALLY MOVED BACK. UM, MY CONTRACTOR HAS TOLD ME THAT THE PANELS, THEY'RE LIKE INTERLOCKING THAT CREATE THE TOP THE ROOF OF IT. AND ONCE THEY ARE LOCKED TOGETHER, THEY CANNOT BE TAKEN APART. SO IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MOVE THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS BUILT BACK. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE QUITE A, A FEAT TO HAVE TO DO THAT. SO THE EASIEST AND, UM, MOST AFFORDABLE, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS THE ONE THAT I AM PROPOSING IS REMOVING, UM, SOME FROM THE FRONT. AND I ACT LIKE I MENTIONED AT THE D R C COMMITTEE MEETING THAT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK BETTER, UM, UH, THAT FOR THE CARPORT SHOULD NOT BE AS BIG AND NOT AS NOTICEABLE FROM THE STREET. SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING THE, THE SAME FEEL AS BEING SET BACK BY REMOVING THE, UM, REMOVING THE 44 INCHES FROM THE FRONT. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? [04:15:03] WELL, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I WOULD RECOMMEND, OR I, I, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED, UH, WHERE SHE CUTS THE, UM, PORTION OF THE ROOF BACK, UM, AS DISCUSSED WITHIN THE D R C. UM, AND THAT'S IT. OKAY, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. WE HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION. UH, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I JUST THINK IT'S THE EASIEST WAY OUT OF THIS CONUNDRUM OF SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BUILT INNOCENTLY WITHOUT, UH, KNOWING THAT THEY WERE GOING AGAINST CODE MM-HMM. . EXACTLY, AND, AND I JUST, I, I WOULD HATE FOR HER TO HAVE TO SPEND AN ADDITIONAL $6,000 OR $8,000 TO HAVE IT REMOVED AND AN NEW STRUCTURE PUT IN, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD APPROVE THE MOTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? NO, I, I THINK IT'S MAKING, MAKING THE BEST OF A SITUATION HERE. UM, I I, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN PUT MORE VISIBILITY ON, YOU KNOW, UH, MESSAGING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MESSAGING, UH, TO, TO GET THE WORD OUT. I KNOW THEY, THEY PUT FLYERS IN THE DOORS AND, AND WHATNOT, BUT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED. BUT I HAVE A GOOD IDEA, . I, I, I KNOW THAT WHEN, LIKE, I'VE BOUGHT HOUSES BEFORE THAT HAVE BEEN IN LIKE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, YOU USUALLY GET LIKE THIS REALLY BIG PACKET WITH ALL THEIR RULES AND REGULATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING. I, I THINK IT WOULD BE AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF LIKE EVEN A POSTCARD COMING FROM YOUR OFFICE OR THE CITY THAT SAYS, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THE, YOU KNOW, THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND PLEASE REFER TO OUR WEBSITE BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS OR, UM, CHANGES TO YOUR HOME. AND I MEAN, I THINK IT'D BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT, AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THAT EXPENSIVE. BUT I, I MEAN, I'M, I'M ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT GOING TO THE CITY, MY CITY COUNCILMAN TO RECOMMEND THAT. 'CAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF CONFUSION. UM, I, I MEAN, I WAS CONFUSED JUST BECAUSE THE STREET SIGNAGE DIDN'T INDICATE I WAS IN THE DISTRICT. THE WEBSITE DESCRIPTION DIDN'T. AND SO I, I MEAN, HAD I KNOWN, HAD I GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION AT CLOSING THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW. I WOULD'VE DEFINITELY NOT BUILT THIS STRUCTURE. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT I, IT WOULD PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED IF I WOULD'VE PRESENTED IT ORIGINALLY. UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, BE IN THE PAST, I, MY ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DO A WOODEN ONE, BUT COULDN'T FIND A CONTRACTOR TO EVEN GIVE ME A BID AT THE TIME I WAS LOOKING, UM, TO IT. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM. . GOOD IDEA. COMMISSIONER GRU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I KNOW, I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT NOW THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A VIS VISIBILITY, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S LIMITED VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET, BUT WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION IN D R C OR HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OR WITH THE CO UH, WITH A CONTRACTOR? SOME, UH, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF IS, AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE IS, UH, HAVE YOU, UH, ANY OF THESE PARTS, LIKE THE, THE, I DON'T WANNA SAY POLLS, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, CAN, CAN THIS BE ANYTHING CAN BE DONE IN WOOD? THE POST? THE POST? YES. SORRY. UM, I DID TALK TO HIM ABOUT, UM, REPLACING THE CURRENT POST WITH WOODEN POSTS. I THINK HE DID SAY THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I, THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. UM, HE BROUGHT ME SOME MATERIAL THAT COULD BE WRAPPED AROUND THE CURRENT POST THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE WOOD, BUT IT'S STILL MADE OF ALUMINUM. SO I, YOU KNOW, OR I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS AT MY FIRST MEETING ABOUT USING A WOOD VENEER TO COVER, UM, AND I, I GUESS THAT'S POSSIBLE TOO, BUT THOSE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WERE APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED AFTER THE FIRST MEETING MEETING. SO, UM, SO I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE, UH, DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST TO, TO CHIME IN ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TALKING WITH YOUR COUNCIL PERSON, I WOULD DE DEFINITELY DO THAT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF BRINGING RESOURCES TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND, AND TO BE AWARE THAT SAN ANTONIO IS REALLY BLESSED WITH A [04:20:01] FANTASTIC OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THEY'RE A MODEL FOR MANY OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, AND THEY DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OUTREACH, AND THAT INCLUDES DOOR FLYERS AND, UM, UH, AND ALSO AND ALSO THE REALTOR TRAINING PRO PRO PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL TO HELP EDUCATE REALTORS THAT ARE SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING A LOT OF THEIR WORK WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO JUST BE AWARE A LOT OF THAT IS TAKING PLACE, BUT OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, JUST SPEAKING WITH YOUR COUNCIL PERSON MIGHT BRING EVEN MORE RESOURCES. SO I, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE THERE. SO IT DOES SOUND LIKE AN HONEST MISTAKE THOUGH, YOU KNOW, AS HOMEOWNERS, WE'VE GOTTA DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. WE'VE GOTTA LOOK UP, YOU KNOW, ON THE MAP, UH, THERE'S A A G I S MAP ONLINE, AND IT WOULD, IT WILL SHOW YOU THAT YOUR PROPERTY HAS AN H DESIGNATION ON IT. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO YOU, BUT TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING OUT THERE LISTENING TO THIS, THAT THERE, THERE ARE THOSE RESOURCES AND THERE'S ALSO A G I S MAP WHERE YOU CAN GO AND LOOK UP YOUR PROPERTY AND SEE WHETHER IT'S GOT HISTORIC DESIGNATION ON IT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SINO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, MY, MY TAKE ON THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. MY APPROACH IS, UH, SOMETIMES WE MOVE INTO A PLACE OR WE INVEST IN A PLACE OR, AND WE DON'T DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. SO WE DON'T KNOW, WE'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS, THIS CARPORT IS VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I'VE DRIVEN ALL FOUR DIRECTIONS AT YOUR CORNER, YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING I'M STALKING YOU OR SOMETHING, BUT I'M STOCKING YOUR GR CARPORT ACTUALLY, TO, TO GET A SENSE OF HOW OBTRUSIVE IT IS OR HOW VISIBLE IT IS. AND DARN IT, IT REALLY IS, IT'S VERY VISIBLE. SO MY APPROACH REMAINS THE SAME AS IT WAS DURING THE D R C. YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FULLY AWARE OF BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHAT THAT MEANT, BUT WHEN WE BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S ATTACHED TO OUR HOUSE, YOU NEED A BUILDING PERMIT. YES. THIS IS THE CONTRACTOR, THIS IS THE CONTRACTOR'S PURVIEW. AND I FEEL LIKE THE VENUE, THIS VENUE FOR FIGURING THIS OUT IS NOT CORRECT. THE VENUE IS AT YOUR KITCHEN TABLE WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR. THAT'S THE REAL BE, THAT'S THE REAL PLACE WHERE THIS NEEDS TO BE SOLVED, UM, BECAUSE HE CLEARLY DID NOT DO, DO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR YOU OR EVEN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WOULD, I WOULD LOBBY TO, TO BRING HIM BACK ON BOARD AND, UM, HAVE HIM GIVE YOU THE VALUE THAT YOU PAID FOR. AND, UM, THAT'S, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO, WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, HE'S EVEN, HE'S EVEN GOING TO CHARGE ME FOR THE MODIFICATIONS, WHICH I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE HE DIDN'T EVEN ASK ME ABOUT GETTING A PERMIT. AND HAD HE DONE THAT, I WOULD'VE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, ASKED FOR HIM TO GET A PERMIT. AND I'VE TOLD HIM THIS, THAT 'CAUSE ONCE GETTING THE PERMIT, WE WOULD'VE KNOWN FOR SURE I WAS IN THE DISTRICT, AND THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BUILT THIS STRUCTURE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED ORIGINALLY. EXACTLY. SO, BUT I'M, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF THE SITUATION AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW AS MUCH AS I CAN AT THIS POINT WITHOUT LOSING THE $8,000 I'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS. AND, AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING, UM, AGREEABLE AND TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO MAKE THIS RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DONE WRONG INITIALLY. SO I'M JUST, I, I DO FEEL LIKE IF WE REMOVE SOME OF THE FRONT, IT WON'T BE AS VISIBLE AS YOU POINTED OUT. IT WILL APPEAR MORE SETBACK. AND, UM, SO I'M HOPING THAT'S WHAT CAN BE APPROVED TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SO THE APPLICANT, I, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME WE SAW THIS CASE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE. I MEAN, YOU'RE IN A TOUGH SITUATION HERE, UM, BECAUSE ONE, AS, UM, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER SINO MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IF YOU GOT THE PERMITS PULLED. I MEAN, AND, AND THEN THAT WOULD'VE SETTLED THIS WHOLE ISSUE HERE. AND I, I THINK AT ONE POINT WE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT DETACHING THE COST AND THINGS OF NATURE. AND I I HEAR YOU ON THAT, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S, I UNDERSTAND IT, IT, IT IS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN HONEST MISTAKE, BUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, CUTTING IT BACK AND WHATEVER, IT STILL, TO ME MAKES IT STILL OBTRUSIVE. AND YOU KNOW, I, I THOUGHT THAT THE IDEA, AND LIKE [04:25:01] I SAID, I WASN'T AT THE D R C, BUT I, I LIKED THE IDEA OF MOVING IT FURTHER BACK. AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU HAD TO MOVE, REMOVE THE TREE, AND THEN YOU HAD TO ADD MORE CONCRETE, SO IT'S GOING TO COST YOU A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE. BUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET THIS INTO A COM SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT, UM, IS, IS THE BEST, IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE HERE. SO, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THIS, THIS MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT TOUGH FOR ME, BUT, UM, JUST, I, I'M SURE THIS IS A TORTURE LESSON AS WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU GET THOSE PERMITS PULLED BECAUSE I KNOW THIS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A TOUGH SITUATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. AND, UM, I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU. UM, YOU, WE'VE BEEN PUT INTO A HARD, UH, DIFFICULT SITUATION AS THE COMMISSIONER COMMISSION ALSO HAS BEEN PUT. UM, ONE THING THAT I SEE IN, UM, PHOTO 12 IS THE DOWNSPOUTS COMING OFF OF THIS CARPORT ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POTENTIAL LIABILITY FOR YOU, BECAUSE TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DUMP WATER OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY ONTO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY. SO HAVING THOSE DOWNSPOUTS DIRECTED AT YOUR NEIGHBOR COULD BE A POTENTIAL LIABILITY THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ARGUMENT TO TAKE BACK TO YOUR CONTRACTOR AND SAY, LET'S DO THIS THING. RIGHT. I COULD REMOVE THE DOWNSPOUTS OR MOVE THEM TO THE SIDE, BUT I DON'T WELL, SO THEY DON'T DIRECT WATER TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, HOWEVER THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. UM, OKAY. I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. DEB GIBBS. NAYYY. UM, SABINO NAY. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER NAY GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND FETZER NAY. MOTION. MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION? A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS? ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MASUKA CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? NO. ER, AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? YES, MA'AM. I, I'M JUST CURIOUS OF IF ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOUR COMMITTEE AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, AND SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UM, WAS TO REMOVE AT LEAST THREE FEET FROM THE FRONT. WHY IS THAT NOT ACCEPTABLE AT THIS TIME? WELL, AS THE COMMISSIONER PROBABLY TOLD YOU AT THE D R C IS THAT, THAT IS ONE SUGGESTION, BUT IT'S NOT A, UM, COMMISSION ACTION IN WHICH IS WHAT WE TOOK TODAY. THAT THERE'S SEVEN COMMISSIONERS HERE AND, UH, WE, WE TAKE THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT'S GIVEN US AND WE'VE, UH, MADE OUR DECISION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOTION TO ADJOURN. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.