* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.
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          OKAY, BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE HEARING TODAY, UM, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FOR OUR VIRTUAL ATTENDEES TODAY. 
          UM, SO CURRENTLY YOU'RE SORT OF IN THE HOLDING CELL. 
          WE CAN'T SEE OR HEAR FROM YOU AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, WHEN YOUR CASE IS CALLED, UM, I WILL SEND YOU A REQUEST TO BECOME A PANELIST. 
          YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO SEE AND HEAR FROM YOU, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT ONCE WE, ONCE WE MAKE THAT MOVE. 
          UM, SO JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THE AGENDA. 
          UM, YOU SHOULD GET A REQUEST FROM ME WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC 
          [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 19TH, 2022. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. 
          BISHOP IS ABSENT. 
          SINA HERE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? HERE. 
          UH, MASUKA. 
          HERE. 
          CARPENTER? HERE, GROUP. 
          HERE. 
          CERVANTES HERE. 
          AND ZER HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES AND HISTORICS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. 
          AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. 
          FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. 
          APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. 
          MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. 
          WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICRO MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPRO APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF A OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY FULL AGENDA TODAY, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          UM, THE FIRST ITEM 
          [Approval of Minutes]
OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 5TH. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER, UH, FIFTH AS SUBMITTED. 
          I SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ ABSTAIN. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE NOW HAVE THE CONSENT 
          [CONSENT AGENDA
Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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AGENDA. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WELL, FIRST WE HAVE, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON A FEW ITEMS. OH, YES. 
          UM, SO WE'LL START BY PLAYING VOICEMAILS. 
          I WILL TRY TO SPEAK, THEY'LL ADJUST THE VOLUME FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL TRY TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER. 
          UM, SO FIRST WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS FOR ITEMS AND WE HAVE ONE IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR ITEM TWO I. 
          HELLO. 
          MY NAME IS MATT BROWN. 
          I AM THE C E O OF CENTRO SAN ANTONIO. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 100 NORTH SANTA ROSA, APARTMENT 7 1 3, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 7. 
          I'M CALLING ON ITEM TWO REGARDING THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, UH, AT HEMIS AIR. 
          AND JUST WANNA MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THAT, UH, ON BEHALF OF CENTRO, WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THE PROPOSED CONCEPT, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND HOPE THAT, UH, IT WILL PASS THROUGH THE H D R C. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. 
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YES, THIS IS ROBERT BUCHANAN AND I'M CALLING IN MY HOME ADDRESS IS 1 3 3 ARMOR PLACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. 
          AND I'M REGA, I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          UH, THE ADDRESS IS EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK AND IT'S CONCERNING THE PROPOSED, UH, DESIGN OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL TOWER AT THE NORTH END OF THE CIVIC PARK AND, AND ALL. 
          AND I FIND IT KIND OF CON CONFLICTING OF WHERE IT DELLS END INTO WHERE IT'S A POSITIVE AS OPPOSED TO A NEGATIVE IN THE VIEWS OF ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, THIS IS ROSALYN COGBURN, 5 2 8 KING WILLIAMS STREET. 
          I'M CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO AT, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED AT EAST MARKET AND HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          THIS DESIGN, WHICH HAS BEEN PRESENTED COULD BE ANYWHERE U S A. 
          PLEASE RETHINK THIS DESIGN AND GIVE THE CITY A DESIGN WORTHY OF THIS PRIME LOCATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. 
          AND THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, EAST MARKET IN HEMISPHERE. 
          SAN ANTONIO IS A CULTURALLY UNIQUE CITY WITH DISTINCTIVE ARCHITECTURE. 
          THIS BUILDING IS TOO BLOCKY, SITS TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET AND PUSHES A PARKING GARAGE INTO THE FOREFRONT. 
          IT'S DESIGNED BLOCKS, RATHER THAN INVITES LOCALS AND VISITORS INTO THE BEAUTIFULLY REDESIGNED HEMISPHERE PARK, SAN ANTONIO DESERVES A UNIQUE SHOWSTOPPER OF A BUILDING AT THIS LOCATION, NOT A GENERIC REPACKAGED ONE THAT COULD BE FOUND IN ANY OTHER CITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          MY NAME IS RANDALL DAVIS. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 2 2 3 TREASURE WAY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 9. 
          THIS IS IN REGARDING ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA. 
          IT'S EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK, AND THIS IS THE REQUEST THAT Y'ALL ARE CONSIDERING. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. 
          IT IS GONNA ADD TO THE TAX BASE. 
          IT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO SKYLINE, AND IT'S GOING TO ADD A LOT OF HOUSING TO DOWNTOWN THAT WE NEED. 
          SO PLEASE VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. 
          MY NAME IS PETER FRENCH. 
          ADDRESS IS 45 15 SAN PEDRO, 7 8 2 1 2. 
          CALLING REGARDING TODAY'S ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          UH, PROJECT, UH, CALLING IN SUPPORT BELIEVE THAT IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO FRAME URBAN PARKS WITH GOOD URBAN PROJECTS. 
          I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT ACCOMPLISHES THAT, UH, I THINK ITS VISION, UH, FOR THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. 
          ITS CONTINUITY WITH THE NORTHWEST ZONE URBAN DESIGN MANUAL WITH, UH, RIO THREE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, AND WITH OTHER PROJECTS, UH, NEW AND EMERGING IN DOWNTOWN ARE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE, AND I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AT HEMISPHERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS DR. 
          DENNIS GUTMAN. 
          UH, I'M CALLING ON ITEM NUMBER TWO OF, OF, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, ITEM TWO IN EAST MARKET AT THE, AT THE HEMISPHERE. 
          MY, UH, MY OVERALL COMMENT ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN IS THAT I FEEL THAT IT WILL PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR NOT ONLY A VISITOR TO SAN ANTONIO, BUT ALSO WILL ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN OF SAN ANTONIO TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN AN AREA OF SAN ANTONIO AND UTILIZE THE, UH, RESTAURANTS AND, UH, OTHER PARTS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WHICH HAVE BEEN UNDERUTILIZED FOR, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UH, THE, MY, UH, THE AREA THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT, I BELIEVE NEEDS AS, AS NEEDED REVITALIZATION AND THE, AND THE, AND THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE, THE DESIGN PROCESS APPEARS TO 
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BE TO ENHANCE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND IT'S POSITIONING AS A DESTINATION CENTER FOR VISITORS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN EXPERIENCE FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          MY NAME IS PATRICIA SEIDENBERG, 1 1 4 1 8 HOLLOW TREE STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 0. 
          THIS STATEMENT IS REGARDING ITEM TWO AT EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK OF THE REQUEST. 
          THE NEW RESIDENTIAL TOWER PROPOSED AT THE NORTH END OF CIVIC PARK IS THE MOST HEAVILY TRAFFICKED CORNER FOR VISITORS TO OUR CITY. 
          THE BUILDING DOES NOT REFLECT SAN ANTONIO'S UNIQUE CULTURE AND DESIGN. 
          THROUGH ITS MASSING AND THE USE OF MATERIALS, IT WILL ALSO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE VIEWS AND THE SKYLINE OF OUR CITY. 
          THE RESIDENTIAL BLOCK OF THE PROPOSED TOWER IS CLUMSY AND PLAIN. 
          IN ADDITION, THE SHEER SIZE OF THE GARAGE WITH ITS LACK OF A SETBACK FROM THE SIDEWALK, WILL CREATE AN OBTRUSIVE PRESENCE FOR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS THAT OBSCURES THE ENTRANCE TO THE HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          I URGE YOU TO NOT VOTE FOR THIS BUILDING DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THIS IS MARK JENSEN AT 4 25 SOLEDAD, UH, CALLING REGARDING ITEM TWO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TODAY, THE EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL, UH, CALLING TO STRONGLY SUPPORT, UM, APPROVAL OF THIS AGENDA ITEM. 
          UH, BELIEVE THAT THIS IS VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE KIND OF RESIDENTIAL DENSITY THAT WE NEED DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, AND A GREAT PLACE FOR IT IN KEEPING WITH A LOT OF THE FRAMEWORK AND THE PARAMETERS AND DESIGN INTENT THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED AT HEMISPHERE THROUGH THE YEARS OF PREPARATION FOR THESE DEVELOPMENT PAR PARCELS TO, TO BE BUILT. 
          AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE, UM, DESIGNS AT THIS STAGE WORKING TOGETHER. 
          AND IN PARTICULAR, I WOULD APPLAUD THE AMOUNT OF ACTIVATION COMMERCIAL RETAIL SPACE THAT'S SHOWN ON THESE PLANS AT THE, AT THE GROUND LEVEL, BOTH MARKET STREET FACING AND, AND REALLY PARK FACING AND RIVER FACING. 
          UH, THE SEPARATE BUILDING, THE THREE STORIES, THREE LEVELS OF RETAIL, UM, THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE WATER. 
          AND THEN KIND OF ORIENTED TO THE EAST OF THE CONVENTION CENTER, I THINK WILL BE A REALLY INCREDIBLE SPACE FOR, FOR FOLKS THAT ARE VISITING THE CITY. 
          AND ALSO LOVE THE LINER UNITS ON THE PARKING PODIUM THAT ARE PARKED, FACING. 
          UH, APPRECIATE, UH, THE PUSH THERE TO ADD MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THAT PARK SIDE WITH THOSE VIEWS. 
          AND, UM, ALSO THE GLASS ELEMENT, I THINK FROM AN, UH, OVERALL DESIGN STANDPOINT. 
          UM, ALSO REALLY APPRECIATE AND APPLAUD THE, THE ELEMENT, THE VERTICAL GLASS ELEMENT THAT TIES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, UM, ALONG THE LARGER STRUCTURE, UM, ON THAT EASTERN EDGE, KIND OF ON THE PARK FACING SIDE. 
          SO APPRECIATE THIS DESIGN AND HOPE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DIANE HOLDEN JONES, 3 0 2 LAVACCA STREET, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 OH ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THE ADDRESS IS EMARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK OF THE REQUEST. 
          I REALLY HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY ABOUT THIS. 
          I HOPE THAT THE DESIGN WILL BE REDONE AND RETHOUGHT. 
          IT REALLY NEEDS TO, IT IS REALLY UGLY. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          BYE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS LISA NUNGESSER. 
          I'M AT 2 2 1 LA FOYA STREET NUMBER THREE. 
          I LIVE DOWNTOWN. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE SUPPORT FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, TOWER AND THE HOTEL WITH THE PARKING IS APP ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE. 
          IT IS ZONED CORRECTLY. 
          IT IS NOT A SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT SHOULD HAVE A BUILDING CLOSE TO THE LOT LINE. 
          IT IS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY AND DEMAND FOR HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT'S GONNA PROVIDE A NICE, SHADY AREA, AND I LOVE WALKING ALONG THAT AREA. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THESE TWO BUILDINGS, UM, WHEN THEY GET APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED, ARE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS AS WELL AS FOR TOURISTS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGAIN, MY NAME IS LISA NUNGESSER AND I'M A LONGTIME DOWNTOWN RESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BYE. 
          MARGARET MEYER. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 1 6 1 1 6 3 4 
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MISSION TRACE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 0. 
          I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM TWO. 
          THE ADDRESS IS EAST MARKET AT HESTER PARK. 
          UM, I THINK THE BUILDING DESIGN IS NOT, NOT ATTRACTIVE AT ALL, AND IT DOESN'T REFLECT OUR CITY'S CULTURE, AND I THINK IT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON VIEWS, UH, AND THE SKYLINE OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT WILL BE BLOCKING VIEWS. 
          I, IT, THERE'S NO SETBACK. 
          IT'S RIGHT ON A VERY, VERY BUSY CORNER. 
          IT IS JUST GONNA BE ATROCIOUS AND IT NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HELLO, THIS IS ELIZABETH EZ. 
          MY ADDRESS IS 8 1 0 CLEARVIEW ONE WORD DRIVE. 
          AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM TWO AND, UM, MY OBJECTION TO THE PROPOSED, HMM, SUPPOSED PLANNED BUILDING AT EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK, UH, JET BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD BE PLAIN AND UNSIGHTLY AND THAT'S NOT IN THE TRADITION OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CULTURAL BY, BY ALL KINDS OF LANGUAGES AND, AND RACE, UH, ETHNICITIES THAT REQUIRE A DEPICTION OF THIS AS WELL. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL ME AT TWO ONE OH FIVE FIVE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MY NAME IS DR. 
          PAUL T RINGING BACK 39 13 ARROYO SECO SHIRTZ CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO, EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          ALTHOUGH MY CURRENT RESIDENCE SHIRTS, I HAVE WORKED AND CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER IN SAN ANTONIO, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARDS OF THE SAN ANTONIO PUBLIC LIBRARY FOUNDATION, K L R N AND 22 YEARS AS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE BEXAR COUNTY HISTORICAL COMMISSION. 
          I WROTE THE SUCCESSFUL WORLD HERITAGE NOMINATION FOR THE SAN ANTONIO MISSIONS FROM THE TIME THE FIRST SPANISH EXPLORERS FIRST SAW SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A SPECIAL PLACE. 
          TOURISTS ARE ATTRACTED HERE BECAUSE IT IS NOT LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE WITH ITS BUILDINGS AND HISTORIC SITES HAS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. 
          THE NEW RESIDENTIAL TOWER IS MUCH LIKE ONE IT SEES EVERYWHERE FROM DALLAS, HOUSTON, DETROIT, AND LA. 
          I AM NOT OPPOSED TO NEW BUILDINGS PER SE, BUT WOULD INSIST THAT THEY REFLECT OUR CULTURE AND UNIQUENESS AS A CITY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS EDDIE ROMEO. 
          MY ADDRESS IS TWO 10 PINEWOOD LANE, 7 8 2 1 6. 
          I'M LEAVING THIS MESSAGE IN FAVOR OF ITEM TWO EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          THIS IS EDDIE ROMERO. 
          MY ADDRESS IS TWO 10 PINEWOOD LANE, 7 8 2 1 6. 
          I'M LEAVING THIS MESSAGE IN SUPPORT OF ITEM TWO AND THE DESIGN CONCEPTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          THE STREET ADDRESS IS EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          THIS IS EDDIE ROMEO. 
          MY ADDRESS IS TWO 10 PINEWOOD LANE, 7 8 2 1 6. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS MARK RABOS. 
          MY WORK ADDRESS IS 71 50 WEST INTERSTATE 10 IN SAN ANTONIO, WHERE I AM THE PASTOR OF THE FIRST UNITARIAN UNIVERSALIST CHURCH. 
          I ALSO LIVE DOWNTOWN. 
          THIS IS A MESSAGE ABOUT ITEM TWO, THE ADDRESS AT EAST MARKET AT HEMISPHERE PARK. 
          MORE THAN OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, THE TWO PROPOSED NEW TOWERS LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT NEED TO ATTEND TO OUR CITY'S CULTURE AND HISTORY. 
          THAT STRETCH OF PEDESTRIAN AND AUTO TRAFFIC ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST MARKET BETWEEN ALAMO AND THE CONVENTION CENTER SEEMS SO VITAL TO OUR, OUR FLOW AND OUR CULTURE. 
          THE ENTRY TO THE CIVIC PARK NEEDS TO BE FLANKED BY BUILDINGS THAT REFLECT THE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY OF OUR UNIQUE CITY. 
          I URGE 
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A REDESIGN THAT MAXIMIZES THE VIEWS OF THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS AND INCLUDES A SETBACK FROM EAST MARKET STREET FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND SO THAT THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC CAN FLOW BETTER AND REDUCES THE HEIGHT OF, OF THE RESIDENTIAL TOWER FOR THE SAKE OF, OF VIEWS AND, AND, UH, JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT AREA. 
          THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING MY COMMENTS. 
          YES. 
          HI, MY NAME IS AMARI. 
          I LIVE AT 2 37 NORMANDY AND I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, THE EAST MARKET HEMISPHERE PARK REQUEST. 
          UM, I'M THRILLED WITH ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE HEMISPHERE PARK, HOWEVER, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEIGHT, UM, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE, UM, SOME OF THE PROPOSED DESIGNS, UM, COULD INCORPORATE SOME LOCAL, UM, FLAIR OR SOME LOCAL, UM, DISTINCTIVE DESIGNS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS PATTY ZIONS. 
          I LIVE AT 3 42 CESA DRIVE AND DISTRICT SEVEN. 
          I AM CALLING AN OPPOSITION OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUILDING COMPLIES WITH THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN PLAN, BUT THERE'S TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING IS, THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING IS OVERWHELMS THAT CORNER ON MARKET STREET. 
          IT'S TOO CLOSE, IT NEEDS A SETBACK. 
          IT'S TOO TALL. 
          IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT AREA. 
          AS A PROFESSIONAL TOUR GUIDE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT CORNER GETS A LOT OF ACTIVITY, UM, WITH THE FOUR BUSES THAT DROP OFF THERE NOW, AND IT CAN BECOME VERY CONGESTED. 
          WELL, I DO NOT OBJECT TO THE IDEA OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG MARKET. 
          I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT FOR PLANS FOR HEMISPHERE FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS AS FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. 
          I DO BELIEVE THAT A SOFTER, MORE ATTRACTIVE BUILDING THAT IS, IT'S IN LESS MASS AND MORE CONDUCIVE TO THE HISTORIC LATA AREA AND THE SURROUNDING AREA WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE. 
          THE BUILDING OVERWHELMS, IT OBSTRUCTS THE VIEW OF THE TOWER. 
          SINCE THERE IS NO VIEW SHED PROTECTION FOR THE TOWER, I THINK THAT THE, UM, BUILDING NEEDS TO BE REDUCED IN SIZE WHILE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE PROGRESS AND MAKE A PROFIT ON HIS PROJECT. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE SENSITIVITY TO THE DESIGN AND THE MASSING SETBACK. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING MY COMMENTS. 
          I SINCERELY HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THEM UNDER YOUR CONSIDERATION AND TAKE THIS PROJECT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. 
          HAVE A WONDERFUL AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER. 
          BYE. 
          AND NEXT, ON THIS ITEM WE HAVE KATHY RHODES IN PERSON. 
          HI. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING, FOR HEARING ME OUT. 
          I'M HERE TO REPRESENT A SMALL ARMY OF PRESERVATIONISTS AND A FEW DISSENTERS. 
          I WILL SAY, UH, TO BE HONEST, BUT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CORNER OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. 
          IF, IF I WEREN'T REPRESENTING THE SOCIETY, I WOULD SAY THAT I WORKED IN TOURISM FOR 24 YEARS AND WE WORKED SO HARD TOGETHER TO LINK THE MARKET, THE ALAMO AND ST. 
          PAUL SQUARE WITH THE RIVER. 
          WE, WE'VE WORKED Y'ALL AND ALL THE CITIZENS THIS OBSTRUCTS, ALL OF THAT, UM, THE VISITOR INDUSTRY. 
          WOULD YOU EXPECT TO SEE THIS BUILDING AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE FRENCH QUARTER? I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UM, SO, UH, THE HEIGHT AND THE SCALE DIVIDES ALL OF THE CITY TO ME. 
          I IT'S NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, SEIA DAVE VALERO. 
          UM, A SECTION THAT WILL BE UNDER THE NEW BUILDING PRE IS IT GONNA BE PRESERVED IN PLACE OR IS PER PREVIOUS MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS? HAB, HABS CAN BUILDING SURVEY, WHICH ALL KNOW 
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DOCUMENTATION OCCURS. 
          THE ASI IS A CITY OF SAN ANTONIO LANDMARK AND A STATE ARCHEOLOGICAL LANDMARK. 
          SO JUST TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND HAVE IT RELATE TO OUR SURROUNDINGS. 
          IT'S NEXT TO THE ALAMO, IT'S NEXT TO LA VITA. 
          AND WE'RE NOT AGAINST HOUSING, WE'RE NOT AGAINST MODERN BUILDINGS, BUT THIS BUILDING DOES NOT REFLECT AND IT WILL AFFECT TOURISM AT SOME POINT BECAUSE ALL OF THE PEOPLE COMING FROM WEST OF ALAMO, FROM THE HOTELS THERE, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THAT BUILDING. 
          IT TOTALLY ALMOST HIDES THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          THERE'S NO DIRECTIONAL SIGNAL, UH, SIGNAGE ON THE DRAWINGS SOMEWHERE. 
          THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A BIG SIGN THAT SAYS HENRY GONZALEZ CONVENTION CENTER. 
          SO WE HAVE MANY CONCERNS, SOME OF WHICH YOU'VE HEARD OVER THE AIR, BUT WE, WE ASK THAT THIS GO BACK TO REDESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL MOVE ON TO VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM THREE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. 
          CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 24, LOCATED AT 3 22 NORTH HACKBERRY. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S FINDINGS, BUT WOULD LIKE TO STIPULATE THAT EITHER WOOD WINDOWS OR ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD WINDOWS BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 9 8 PROPERTY, 2 3 4 CLUB DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF N P N A AND B N P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          AND WE NOTE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THE DETERIORATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES FOR THIS PROPERTY OCCURRED DUE TO INADEQUATE DRAINAGE IN THE ALLEY. 
          AND M P N A HAS ADVOCATED FOR ALLEY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO PROVIDE SOME RELIEF, WHICH RESULTED IN ALLEYS BEING ADDED TO THE CITY'S I N P SCHEDULE IN FISCAL YEAR 2008. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S FIVE STIPULATIONS AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INCLUSION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE FOLLOWING. 
          FIRST, THAT THE HARDY PLANK INSTALLED ON THE NEW A D U HAVE A MAXIMUM EXPOSURE OF SIX INCHES TO BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          SECOND, THE AC COMPRESSOR BE MOVED TO THE SIDE OF THE A D U NOT VISIBLE FROM THE DRIVEWAY. 
          THIRD, FOR THE COLOR OF THE ROOF ON THE CASITA THAT IT SHOULD MATCH THE MAIN HOME AND THAT THE NEW ROOF ON THE CASITA BE A THREE TAP ARCHITECTURAL DIMENSION ROOF. 
          FOURTH, THAT THE CLARIFICATION OF THE DOOR SPECIFICATION BE PROVIDED TO STAFF. 
          IS IT SOLID WOOD OR A SO, OR A DOOR WITH A WINDOW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C OF A. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF THIS PROJECT AND ITS COMPLETION. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          YES, THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 5 1 8 4 4 3 CLUB. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE M P N A AND THE M P A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFFS FOR, WE SUPPORT STAFF FOUR STIPULATIONS AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING. 
          FIRST THAT THE SIDE PORCH BE PHOTOGRAPHED AND DOCUMENTED AND THAT THE DECORATIVE RAILING BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE. 
          SECOND, THAT THE SMALL EXISTING WINDOW BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO FACE THE FRONT ELEVATION IN ITS NEW LOCATION AND MATCH THE PROFILES AND SEAL OF THE EXISTING WINDOW. 
          SECOND, THE THIRD, THE EXTENSION OF THE TILE ROOF, THAT IT MATCHED THE TILE IN MATERIAL AND PROFILE AND THAT THE ROOF EXTENSION MATCHED THE FRONT FACADES RAKE CONDITION AND HUGS THE ROOF BOARD. 
          THIRD, THAT THE SERIES OF THE NEW THREE WINDOWS BE REDUCED TO TWO WINDOWS TO MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOW ON THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION. 
          IT IS NOT SHOWN IN THE ELEVATION PHOTO, UH, IN THAT IT ALSO MATCHES THE PROFILE OF THE WINDOWS ON THIS ELEVATION. 
          AND, UM, FOUR, THAT THE NEW BRICK MATCH THE DIMENSIONS OF THE EXISTING AND BE PAINTED TO MATCH. 
          FIVE, THAT THE ELEVATION DRAWING BE UPDATED TO REFLECT THE EXISTING DOUBLE WINDOWS WILL REMAIN AND NOT BE REMOVED. 
          SIX, THAT A LANDSCAPE PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE SITE OF THE HOME. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT'S SUCCESS WITH THEIR PROJECT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR CONSENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CASES FOR DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO, UM, 
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PULL TWO IN LIGHT OF THE AMOUNT OF COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          ANY OTHERS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER SIX, AND NUMBER EIGHT PLEASE. 
          FIVE, SIX, AND EIGHT. 
          ANY OTHERS? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YES. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE REMAINING, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THE SIX STIPULATIONS THAT THE MONTICELLO, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAD RECOMMENDED FOR ITEM NINE. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SINO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 8 1 8 AUSTIN 3 22 NORTH HACKBERRY 5 21 HAYES, 36 0 2 AND 36 18 MCCULLOUGH 4 43 CLUB 30 35 ROOSEVELT IN 2020 NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED IN EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE, UH, APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT MICHAEL BRE KLAW IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          MIKE, IF YOU WANNA COME UP, I'LL SET A TIMER FOR 12 MINUTES. 
          YOU CAN BACK SLIDES. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR, FOR BEING HERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IN LISTENING TO, TO THE, THE COMMENTS AND, AND REVIEWING THE, THE PRESENTATION BEFORE US, THAT I THINK YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF YOU HAVE A SCROLLING IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT NO, I CAN SEE THAT I, I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE SOME OF THE COMMENTS. 
          I, I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. 
          UM, THE, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE JUAN GORMAN, THE VIEW OF THE, UM, OF THE, OF THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE THE OTHER ART PIECE, UH, IT, IT SEEMS THAT FROM THE PLAN THAT THOSE AREAS HAVE BEEN CARVED OUT THAT THEY BECOME PRIMARY. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT A CORRECT ASSUMPTION TO MAKE BECAUSE THE IMAGES DO NOT SHOW THAT ASPECT OF THE PROJECT? UH, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE PARK, THE URBAN DESIGN MANUAL, AND THE FOOTPRINT THAT IT, THAT IT ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT WAS ALL BASED ON, UM, CREATING VIEW CORRIDORS THAT WOULD PRESERVE LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE CORNER TO THE, UM, TO THE TOWER. 
          UH, IT WOULD, UH, PRESERVE, UM, SO BOTH FROM THIS, UH, THIS, UH, AERIAL LEVEL AND AT THE GROUND LEVEL. 
          UM, BELOW THAT, LET ME JUST SLIP TO THAT. 
          SO DOWN AT PEDESTRIAN LEVEL, UM, IT'S STILL THE LINE OF SIGHT TO THE TOWERS MAINTAINED. 
          UM, ALONG THE, FROM MARKET STREET, THERE ARE SORT OF, THE BUILDING DOES SORT OF FILL, UM, A PORTION OF THE BLOCK, BUT THERE ARE TWO KEY PARTS OF THE MASTER PLAN, BOTH WHAT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE PASSE, WHICH IS THIS VIEW, UH, TOWARDS THE, UH, EAST END OF THE SITE TO THE SMALLER D ONE PARCEL, WHICH IS A THREE STORY, TWO STORIES ABOVE MARKET STREET, ONE STORY AT MARK AT THE RIVER LEVEL, A LINE OF SIGHT INTO THE PARK, UH, FURTHER ON TOWARDS, UM, UH, THE SOUTH END OF THE PARK. 
          AND THEN AS WELL ALONG THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING, WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A RECTANGULAR SITE, IT'S ANGLED DELIBERATELY TO, UH, APPROACH THE MURALS, UH, ACROSS ON THE THEATER BUILDING. 
          AND THAT PORTION OF THE PARK WAS VERY INTENTIONAL IN THE DESIGN AND THE BUILDING IS TRYING TO REINFORCE THAT SAME INTENT. 
          WELL, THE, THE REASON I ASK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PAGE THAT I THINK IS PR 0 0 9, IF STAFF COULD SKIP TO THAT PICTURE, UM, UH, TO ME THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT, THAT, UM, READ VERY CLEARLY TO TO, TO SAN ANTONIO OF THE ERA OF THE HEMISPHERE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I LOOK AT THE TRACERY, UH, I I GUESS WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PICTURE OF THE GEOMETRY 
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THAT'S TO THE NORTH HMM. 
          IN THE PARKING GARAGE? YES. 
          THE FACE OF THE, THE FACE OF THE PARKING GARAGE AND THE SCREENING. 
          YES. 
          THAT WAS VERY INTENTIONAL THAT WE LOOKED AT BOTH THE, IN THE DESIGN THAT G G N, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FOR THE PARK, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE SPIRIT OF THE GEOMETRY THAT THEY USED FOR THAT AND SORT OF TRIED TO BRING THAT INTO THE BUILDING AND THE SCALE OF ELEMENTS. 
          SO SOME OF THE SLIGHTLY CHAMFORD PORTIONS OF THE SCREEN ARE THAT, AND AS WELL AS THE OTHER SCREENING IS MEANT TO BE, UM, KIND OF OF SOME SAN ANTONIO EXAMPLES. 
          CAN I ASK STAFF TO, TO GO TO PR 0 0 8? GO AHEAD. 
          IS THERE ZERO EIGHT? THERE WE GO. 
          I THINK PART OF THE PERCEPTION IS THAT IN THE CORNER, OH, ANOTHER THING THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THE, THE HOTEL CAME BEFORE US VERY RECENTLY, AND IT APPEARS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE, THESE TWO BUILDINGS IS ALMOST DISSOLVED THE CORNER. 
          IS THAT INTENTIONAL? UH, UH, UH, IT, I THINK IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL FROM THE PARK PLANNING POINT OF VIEW THAT THE, THIS, THE SOURCE PLAZA, THIS PORTION OF THE PARK, UH, IS FRAMED BOTH FROM MARKET STREET AND ALAMO STREET TO SET THAT SPACE UP AND THEN, UH, TO SORT OF COMPRESS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PEDESTRIAN AS A GATEWAY TO THE PARK. 
          SO IT'S VERY MUCH THAT YOU COME INTO A BIG OPEN SPACE BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS AND THEN INTO THE BROAD OPEN SPACE OF THE PARK ITSELF. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, THEN JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UH, THE, THE, UH, UH, I THINK PART OF THE PERCEPTION THAT THE BUILDING IS ON THE STREET, UM, I, I CAN SEE THAT, BUT I CAN ALSO SEE THAT IT'S IN LINE WITH, UM, THE HOTEL DOWN THE STREET AND, AND WALKING THROUGH AS A PEDESTRIAN. 
          UM, IT, IT BECOMES INCUMBENT RIGHT ON, ON THE BUILDING ITSELF TO RESPOND TO THE STREETSCAPE. 
          SO IF, IF THAT'S A PARKING GARAGE, WHAT OCCURS THAT MAKES THE BUILDING FRIENDLY TO THE PASSERBY, THE PEDESTRIAN, NOT THE CAR, UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE, IS THERE A SERIES OF EXPERIENCES EXPECTED AS A PERSON WALKS THROUGH? YES. 
          I, I WOULD SAY THAT FOR FOREMOST, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS, THE ARCHITECTURE WE SEE WORKING ON A NUMBER OF SCALES. 
          FIRST IT RESPONDS TO THE CITY AND SUPPORTS THE SCALE OF THE CITY. 
          AND ALL ALONG MARKET STREET ON THE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT HOLD THE PROPERTY LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BROAD ENTRANCE TO THE CONVENTION CENTER. 
          AND SO WE FELT THAT IT'S, IT'S AT THE BUILDING A SCALE SUPPORTS THAT STREET WALL OF THE CITY, UH, AS AN URBAN GESTURE AT THE PEDESTRIAN LEVEL. 
          UM, IF I CAN JUST GO UP TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, WE ARE SETTING BACK AN ARCADE WITHIN THE VOLUME OF THE BUILDING, UH, WITH AT LEAST SEVEN OR EIGHT, UH, EIGHT FEET CLEAR BETWEEN THE COLUMNS. 
          SO AS A WALKING PATH, IT'S THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO IT WILL BE FOR A LARGE PART OF THE YEAR. 
          IT'S NATURALLY IN SHADE. 
          THERE'S TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT WILL BE, UH, IN SUNLIGHT, BUT WE'RE PROVIDING THAT SHELTERED AREA. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO VERY MUCH MINIMIZE VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE SITE, TO CONTROLLED POINTS. 
          THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT. 
          UM, AND WE ARE SORT OF INCLUDING SOME CANOPIES THAT CAN EXTEND OVER THE PAST THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING TO SORT OF, UH, CON CONTINUE TO SORT OF CREATE SOME PEDESTRIAN SCALE SO THAT THERE ARE ROOFS ABOVE YOU AT 14 FEET, NOT 80 FEET. 
          THERE'S A SENSE OF OF SCALE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN, UM, WHERE THE STREET ITSELF, THE CURB LINE IS, UM, FROM A, THE MASTER PLAN, UH, STEPS OUT INTO MARKET STREET, CREATING SET ASIDE FOR PARKING AND, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY WHERE THE CURB LINE WILL STEP OUT. 
          SO I THINK THE ENTIRE EXPERIENCE ALONG MARKET STREET, BOTH FROM THE MASTER PLAN AND WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO SUPPORT IN THAT, UH, MAKES A, A, A STRONGER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, QUESTION, COMMENTS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE COMMENTS, BUT I CAN WAIT TILL WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SAVINA, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A MOTION. 
          YES. 
          PAWN. 
          SECOND THOUGHT. 
          UM, MY, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY. 
          WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION DURING THE DRCS. 
          WE HAD A COUPLE OF THEM AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE PEDESTRIAN SCALE AND ACCESS ON ALL FACES OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT BECAUSE I THINK DEEP DOWN INSIDE WE KNEW THE BUILDING WAS VERY MASSIVE AND VERY TALL, AND WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE GROUND EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, MY FIRST, UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT 
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WERE MADE FROM THE, BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND D R C MEETING. 
          MM-HMM. 
           REALLY, REALLY SOME NICE THINGS. 
          MY CONCERNS STILL ARE, UM, THOSE LARGE DRIVE APPROACHES, FIVE LANES HEADING OUT INTO EAST MARKET, WHICH IS REALLY VERY, UM, UM, IT'S A CONCERN. 
          UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AUTOMOBILE SAFETY. 
          WE DON'T WANNA RE REPLICATE WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE GRAND HYATT. 
          WE DISCUSSED THOSE THINGS. 
          MM-HMM. 
           YOUR CHANGES TO THE GARAGE, UH, UH, THE PARKING GARAGE TEXTURALLY AND, AND IN SUBDIVIDING THOSE, UH, BAYS, UH, I THINK IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. 
          MY FIRST E R C ONE THING I SAID VERY SIMPLY, THE BUILDING'S TOO TALL. 
          JUST I KNEW INTUITIVELY SOMETHING IS NOT QUITE RIGHT. 
          I KNOW THE U D C ALLOWS IN RIO THREE ARE WE, UM, UNLIMITED HEIGHT. 
          I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, I KNOW, UM, RIO THREE ALLOWS AN UNLIMITED HEIGHT. 
          I I KNOW THAT. 
          AND THE U D C ALSO SAYS, YOU KNOW, IN, HOWEVER, IN EACH ZONE, A GENERAL SIMILARITY IN BUILDING HEIGHTS SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED IN ORDER TO HELP ESTABLISH A SENSE OF VISUAL CONTINUITY OF THE BUILDING WITHIN ITS SITE. 
          IN ADDITION, BUILDING HEIGHTS SHALL BE CONFIGURED SUCH THAT A COMFORTABLE HUMAN SCALE IS ESTABLISHED ALONG THE EDGES OF PROPERTIES AND VIEWS TO THE RIVER AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT LANDMARKS ARE PROVIDED WHILE ALLOWING APPROPRIATE DENSITY. 
          OKAY. 
          PRETTY GENERAL BY TAKING A, A MORE URBAN DEVELOPMENT LOOK AT THIS, I REALIZE WITH YOUR HEIGHT COMPARISON WITH THE TOWER RIVERWALK MARRIOTT, THE OTHER MARRIOTT AND GRAND HYATT, ALONG WITH THE 2, 2 2 SOUTH ALAMO THAT WAS JUST, UM, APPROVED AND YOU SHOWED THE 29 STORY BUILDING COMFORTABLY BETWEEN THAT PARTICULAR ARRAY. 
          SURE. 
          LOOKING AT IT IN PLAN ON THE ON MARKET STREET, WHAT I REALIZED IS YOUR BUILDING BELONGS OVER WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS, WITH THE TALL BUILDINGS. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HEIGHT WISE, GROUND PLANE ORIENTATION AND THE CIVIC PARK THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE VERY TALL BUILDINGS TO THE EAST. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN IT CLICKED. 
          THIS IS A BUILDING THAT BELONGS OVER THERE WHERE IT'S, THEY'RE ENGAGED, THE BUILDING IS PHYSICALLY, THE TALLER BUILDINGS ARE PHYSICALLY ENGAGED WITH OTHER BUILDINGS AT THE GROUND, WHETHER IT'S THE CONVENTION CENTER OR THE MALL. 
          THEY'RE PHYSICALLY TIED IN. 
          THIS IS FREE STANDING, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. 
          SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO EXPLORE WAYS TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT AND THE MASSING TO ADDRESS THAT YOUR BUILDING'S PLACE ALONG THE CIVIC PARK, ALONG WITH ITS NEIGHBORS 17 STORY, THE EIGHT STORY, THE TWO STORY CONVENTION, THE MARRIOTT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REEXAMINE SO THAT IT FITS WHERE IT IS AND DOESN'T FIT OVER BY THE GRAND HYATT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GRUBB, YOU GONNA MAKE A MOTION? YES. 
          AND, UM, MY MOTION IS BASED ON, ON MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, UM, AND, AND THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE. 
          SO A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          SO NOW DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY WANNA, UH, REFER ANYTHING TO THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAVE. 
          THIS IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. 
          I I WAS ALSO FOCUSED ON THE PEDESTRIAN FLOW BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THE PARKING IN THE MIDDLE. 
          UH, I, TO ME, I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE HEIGHT. 
          UM, I DO SEE THAT THE CORRELATION ON HOW, TO ME THE GRAND HEIGHT IS NOT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          I THINK THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT JUST WILL ADD TO THE STREET AND, AND THE WAY THAT THE PEDESTRIANS ACTUALLY FLOW FROM THE BRIDGE ACROSS THE RIVER TO THE GRAND HYATT AND THEN TO THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS NOT WELL THOUGHT OF. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS WELL THOUGHT OF. 
          SO I JUST WANTED, UH, ABOUT ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          UH, YES. 
          UH, DON'T HAVE THEM ALL IN IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UH, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE COMMENTS. 
          ONE, THE COMMENTS ON THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND THE VEHICULAR ACCESS, BOTH AT, UH, KIND OF AT THE SMALLEST SCALE OF PAVING AND THE TEXTURE OF THE PAVING AND VISUAL CUES TO KEEP PEDESTRIANS SAFE. 
          UM, WE'LL BE INVESTING A LOT IN THAT, AT, AT ALL OF THOSE CROSSING POINTS TO THE POINT ABOUT, UH, UH, RESTRICTING THE CURB OPENING 
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AND SORT OF, UH, UH, NARROWING THE THROAT OF THE VEHICLES OUT. 
          UM, UH, WE HAVE A PARKING CONSULTANT, I SUPPOSE, HELPING US WITH THE GARAGE AND ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, WE'LL LOOK TO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SORT OF TRY TO SORT OF, UM, LOOK TO HOW BEST WE CAN IMPROVE THAT TO MAKE TRAFFIC MOVE IN A PEDESTRIAN SAFE, UH, UH, POINT OF VIEW. 
          I THINK PEDESTRIANS ARE FIRST, CARS ARE SECOND. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ABIDE BY IN THAT, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS ON D ONE AND THE ARCHITECTURE OF D ONE. 
          IT'S BEEN REPRESENTED IN THE, SOME OF THE PERSPECTIVES AS MORE GLASS AND LESS MASONRY. 
          AND WE ARE IN ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH POTENTIAL TENANTS FOR THAT. 
          AND, UM, SO A LOT OF THAT IS, UH, WILL BE WORKING WITH THE KINDS OF, UM, MOST LIKELY FOOD AND BEVERAGE OPERATORS THAT WILL BE THERE. 
          AND SO THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE, UH, INVESTMENT IN THAT. 
          BUT WE WOULD LIKE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THAT MORE OF THE TRADITIONAL BLEND OF MASONRY AND LARGE, YOU KNOW, GLASS OPENINGS AS OPPOSED TO JUST A GLASS BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ALSO TO THAT COMMENT, I'M, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF AN INCOME TO GET THE, TO MAKE THE PARK ACTUALLY WORK AND BE A PARK. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE PARK HAS A LOT OF ACTIVITIES AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BRING ACTUALLY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE REMOVING THE FACT THAT WE ARE PARKED BY, YOU KNOW, INCREASING WITH HOTELS OR RESIDENTIAL OR MORE RETAIL. 
          UM, SO I, I'LL SUPPORT THAT. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I, I HADN'T SAID ANYTHING BEFORE, BUT IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE BUILDING SHOULD BE FLIPPED WITH THE TALLER PART TOWARDS THE STREET. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE MORE OF A HUGGING THE PARK KIND OF FEEL TO IT. 
          BUT I REALIZE THAT'S A LOT OF WORK  TO DO. 
          THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, GIBBS, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A, A GREAT JOB. 
          I, I TOO DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK IT'S A, UM, BEAUTIFUL CONCEPT. 
          SO, UM, I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          UM, I'M, I'M GENERALLY IN, IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. 
          I THINK THERE ARE SOME REALLY SMART THINGS GOING ON, PARTICULARLY AT THE GROUND PLANE WITH THE, UH, THE CREATION OF, OF RETAIL MIXED USE SPACES THAT WRAP THE, UH, THE CORE, UH, ELEMENTS AND, UH, KIND OF CONCEAL, UH, THE IMPACT OF, OF THE VEHICLE ON THE EXPERIENCE HERE. 
          UM, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY BEAUTIFUL INFLECTIONS TO IMPORTANT VIEW, VIEW CORRIDORS HERE. 
          SO I THINK IN ALONG THOSE LINES, IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE NOT RECREATING THE MISTAKE OF THE GRAND HYATT HERE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF THAT ABRUPT, UH, TOWER STRAIGHT UP FROM THE STREET. 
          I THINK THIS IS NICELY STEPS BACK AND THERE'S SOME REAL SUBTLE, UM, BENEFITS TO THAT, PARTICULARLY FROM A SHADE STANDPOINT, THE, AND FOR THE, UM, AMENITIES DECK UP ON THE, UH, ON THE ROOF OF THAT LOWER PODIUM PIECE. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY HANDSOME ASPECTS TO THE DESIGN. 
          UM, AND FROM A GENERAL MASSING STANDPOINT, I DO THINK THE CONCERNS OF PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, I SHOULD SAY PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND, AND THAT CROSSOVER, THE VEHICLE MIGHT BE IMPROVED BY SOME INCREASE OF THE, OF THE SIDEWALK THERE. 
          I THINK PERCEPTUALLY IT'LL BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE AT THE GRAND HYATT, WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE A MOUSE UP AGAINST, UH, YOU KNOW, AN IMMENSE, UH, AN IMMENSELY TALL BUILDING BY VIRTUE OF HAVING THAT COLON AID THROUGH THERE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS A LOT. 
          I THINK MOST OF MY CONCERNS MIGHT BE ADDRESSED THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AS THIS THING GOES BEYOND CONCEPTUAL ABOUT HOW CAN THIS CHAR HAVE A CHARACTER THAT FEELS MORE SPECIFIC TO SAN ANTONIO AND ITS RICH CULTURE AND HISTORY. 
          UH, IT FEELS A LITTLE GENERIC IN, IN, IN ALL WAYS THOUGH, OF HOW THE PROGRAM'S BEING ADDRESSED, HOW THE SITE IS BEING ADDRESSED. 
          I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF IT. 
          I JUST THINK, UM, IT, IT JUST NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE BAKING ON SOME OF THE MATERIAL CHOICES AND THE, THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF IT. 
          BUT IN GENERAL, I THINK IT'S THIS VERY SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN Y'ALL JUST SPEAK UP INTO THE MICROPHONE? IT IS KIND OF HARD TO HEAR JUST NEXT TIME. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER RECORDING. 
          UM, IT'S JUST HARD TO HEAR IN THE ROOM, SO JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE NICE AND CLOSE. 
          YEAH, I'M, I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. 
          I WOULD ASK, AGAIN, I'M GONNA REITERATE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT 
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MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE. 
          I WILL ASK THAT AS YOU FURTHER REFINE THE PROJECT. 
          DON'T SHORTCHANGE THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT YOU, EVERY COMMISSIONER HAS PROBABLY SAID THAT YOU'VE ALSO HAD THE COMMUNITY SAY, DON'T SHORTCHANGE. 
          AND IT IS, YOU REFINE IT FURTHER. 
          IF YOU CAN EVEN ENHANCE IT MORE, IF YOU CAN EAT INTO SOME OF THAT PARKING GARAGE AND MAYBE MAKE IT A DOUBLE STORY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, JUST DON'T, DON'T DISCOUNT THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE IT ONE STORY. 
          YOU KNOW, TAKE THE EFFORT, LOOK, LOOK AT IT ON PAPER, AND HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR FURTHER, UH, FOR FURTHER REVIEW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, OF AN IMPACT ON THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, PARKING GARAGE. 
          YOU KNOW, HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND REFINE IT TO BETTER EMPHASIZE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE RIGHT THERE. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR QUALIFYING MY SECOND, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M FROM THE, FROM THE ILLUSTRATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN APPRECIATE IS HOW THE BUILDING STEPS BACK AND IT CREATES THIS AVENUE TO SEE THE OTHER BUILDING DOWN. 
          YOU KNOW, SO KIND OF IN AN OLD SCHOOL SETBACK, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS IF YOU WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, BIG HOUSES, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S VERY SENSITIVE TO DO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT, BUT, UM, COMING DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE TOP, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE EFFORT THAT I GUESS THE MASTER PLAN ASKS FOR WITH RESPECT TO THE ARTWORK THAT REMAINED COVERED FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M, I'M SURE THAT FOR PEOPLE LOOKING AT A PROJECT AND, AND REALLY A SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT CAN BE KINDA SHOCKING THAT CHANGE IS COMING TO THIS AREA OF TOWN. 
          BUT I REMEMBER, UH, VERY YOUNG GOING TO THE ROCK CONCERTS AT THE, AT THE, UH, CONVENTION CENTER THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. 
          OR, OR THE, I GUESS THE ARENA AND ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THE AREA. 
          THERE WERE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF UGLY PARKING LOTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          'CAUSE WE WOULD PARK ACROSS THE RIVER AND THEN YOU'D GO TO THE CONCERTS. 
          SO THE EVOLUTION OF THIS IS, I'M SURE SHOCKING, BUT, UH, I, I DO SEE THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY, VERY INTERESTING TO ME TO HEAR THE NONS SAN ANTONIO COMMENTS WHEN, TO ME ALONG THE LINES ALSO WITH THE, THE, THE ZACHARY, UM, HOTEL THERE, THE VERY SAN ANTONIO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE WAY THE HEMISPHERE AREA HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I APPRECIATE THE STEP BACK FROM THAT KIND OF BRUTALIST ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT. 
          AND, AND THEN THE KIND OF, THE SENSITIVITY WITH, WITH THE TRACERY AND, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTIES IN THE EYE, THE BEHOLDER, RIGHT? I'M A BIG FAN OF GLASS MM-HMM. 
          , AND, YOU KNOW, THE, I'M FROM THE SCHOOL OF SKYSCRAPERS, , SO I'M SURE THAT ANGERS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE SKYSCRAPERS, RIGHT? SO, UM, I I, I DO FEEL THAT THAT IT, IT, IT DOES, UM, UH, SPEAK A, A, A PARTICULAR LANGUAGE OF SAN ANTONIO, BUT IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO USE THIS, THIS PLATFORM TO SEND MESSAGES TO THE CITY, THAT WITH RESPECT TO STREETSCAPE, I THINK A LOT OF WORK, UH, REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THE PARK OF, ON THE PART OF THE CITY TO COME UP WITH COMPREHENSIVE WAYS TO TIE ALL OF THESE UNRELATED BUILDINGS TOGETHER IN, IN THE WAY THAT SOME OF OUR GREAT CITIES DO THAT IT CAN'T ALWAYS JUST RELY ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARTICULAR BUILDING. 
          SO MARRYING THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER, I THINK THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE CAN BE VERY, VERY STRONG. 
          I, I DO SEE THE STEP BACK THAT REALLY THE FRONT YARD OF THIS IS THE RIVER. 
          SO THE SETBACK INCLUDES THE STREET FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, UM, I, I, I WOULD SAY UNASHAMEDLY, I, UH, MY, MY SECOND IN, IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT IS BECAUSE IT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. 
          AND, AND, AND I DON'T SAY THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF PUTTING DOWN THE HYATT. 
          I THINK THE HYATT'S A A GOOD PROJECT TOO, AND THERE CAN BE THINGS THAT CAN FIX IT, BUT NOT ON THE PART OF THE BUILDING, ON THE PART OF WHAT THE CITY DOES WITH THE STREET. 
          SO I COMMEND YOU LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FINAL DESIGNS AND, UH, WITH ALL POWER, UH, GIVE US THE BEST PROJECT YOU CAN GIVE US. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS, BUT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND OUR MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WOULD, LET ME SPEAK AND THEN YOU CAN OKAY. 
          UH, OFFER YOUR AMENDMENT. 
          UM, I WAS IN THE LAST D R C AND, UH, A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTED ABOUT THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND THE PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR INTERFACE ON MARKET. 
          AND, UM, YOU SAID YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITH YOUR PARKING AND, UH, TRAFFIC CONSULTANT. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT FIVE LANE ENTRY, UH, OR TWO LANES IN AND THREE LANES OUT. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF VEHICLES IN AND OUT THAT, UM, PEDESTRIANS ARE GONNA HAVE TO CROSS. 
          SO I REALLY LOOK AT THAT, UM, INTERFACE AND THAT LOCATION. 
          AND THEN I WOULD, UM, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR TENANTS YET, 
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BUT AS YOU, AND THIS MAY BE MORE FOR HEMI FAIR PARK AND THE, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS LOOK AT, UH, TENANTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE, UH, SOURCE PARK SIDE AND THE, UM, THE HEMISPHERE PARK SIDE. 
          THOSE RETAILS BE, UH, NOTED ON THIS PLAN THAT, THAT, UM, WHAT IS TENANTS WHO ARE THERE WOULD REALLY ACTIVATE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AS THEY COME INTO THE PARK AND ARE INSIDE THE PARK. 
          UM, SO, UM, GENERALLY I'M IN, IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          I DO WANT TO AMEND ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE REQUEST ON NUMBER TWO. 
          WE HAVE STIPULATION ONE, TWO, AND THREE. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO ADD FOR STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT STUDY ADDITIONAL OR CONSIDER ADDITIONAL MEANS TO REDUCE THE BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT AMENDMENT? A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU'D LIKE TO ELABORATE, UM, JUST TO, UM, THE, THE AIM IS THAT IT WORK IN CONCERT WITH, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER TWO AS YOU'RE STUDYING VARIOUS, UH, BUILDING MASSING THAT YOU ALSO INCLUDE HEIGHT AS PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION, THAT EXERCISE, THERE MAY BE MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE IF YOU REALIZE THAT HEIGHT IS ALSO IN, IN CONSIDERATION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, I HAVE NO, NO COMMENTS ON MY, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR, I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT'S TALL ENOUGH OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S TOO SHORT. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH, UH, THE FROST BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, I GUESS, UH, EXPECTATION, RIGHT? ARCHITECTURAL EXPECTATION THAT A BUILDING IS ONLY SO TALL THAT MAKES SENSE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE BUILDING, RIGHT? SAYING THAT THERE'S NO BUILDING THERE, OR NO BUILDINGS AROUND THAT AREA THAT, THAT HAVE HEIGHT, UM, THAT WE KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          SO, SO MAKING A BUILDING, UH, ADHERE TO KIND OF A GENERIC RESTRICTION WHERE THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS THERE THAT HAVE HEIGHT, IT, IT KIND OF, IT, IT, IT DAMAGES THE, THE DESIGN INTEGRITY OF, OF THE PROFESSIONAL TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IN THE END PROVIDES THE RIGHT HEIGHT AND THE RIGHT HEIGHT BEING THE PERSON THAT, THAT IS CHARGED WITH THE EXPERTISE TO, TO DESIGN A, A, A BUILDING THAT IS THE RIGHT HEIGHT. 
          SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FROST TOWER, ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT BUILDING SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALLER, AND THAT INDEED IT NEEDED TO BE TALLER, BUT THERE WERE RESTRICTIONS LOOKING AT THAT AT THE BUILDING, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT THE RIGHT HEIGHT AND THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, AFFORDED THOSE EXTRA FLOORS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SET FORTH A STANDARD THAT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC STANDARD TO ME IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY A STANDARD THAT, THAT I CAN SUPPORT. 
          UH, THE, UH, THE DESIGNERS HAVE PRESENTED, UH, TO US A BUILDING THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, MEETS THEIR PROGRAM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, UH, FULFILLS THE DESIGN EXPECTATION THAT, THAT, THAT THEY HAVE A BUILDING WILL GO IN THIS AREA. 
          IF, IF THE COMMUNITY WAS AGAINST A BUILDING GOING IN THIS AREA, THEN BEFORE THEY WENT TO THE STATE OF TEXAS TO REQUEST THE LEGISLATION THAT GAVE THEM THE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS CORNER, WHICH WAS SUPPORTED BY, YOU KNOW, GOD KNOWS WHO AT THAT TIME, THE OUTCOME IS THAT THERE IS A BUILDING THERE. 
          SO THESE DESIGNERS HAVE COME UP WITH A, WITH A BUILDING THAT THEY FEEL IS THE RIGHT BUILDING. 
          AND, AND I'D ADVISE AGAINST, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PICKING AND CHOOSING, UH, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE WITH, WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S BUILDING. 
          TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IT'S LIKE TELLING SOMEONE TO, TO TELL THEIR CHILD TO CUT THEIR HAIR WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE NOT THE PARENT, RIGHT? SO, UH, IF IT'S THE DESIGN TEAM'S, UH, UH, UM, AMBITION THAT THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT WILL REFLECT THEIR INTEGRITY AND, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE TOWN MOVING FORWARD, THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COURAGE TO SUPPORT, UH, BRAVE DESIGNERS TO GIVE US, UH, THE BEST CITY THAT, THAT WE CAN HAVE. 
          IF THE EXPECTATION IS THAT IT'S GONNA TURN INTO A LIMESTONE BUILDING WITH ARCHES, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO I THINK WE SHOULD LET THIS BUILDING, UM, BE THE CREATION THAT IT WANTS TO BE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I ASKED FOR A VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          FIRST OF ALL, UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S ASKED FOR LIMESTONE ARCHES, BUT I, UM, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. 
          MY THINKING IS VERY MUCH IN, WHAT'S THAT? CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S TETHERED IN HERE AND I CAN'T PULL IT CLOSER TO ME, SO I GOTTA HUNCH OVER. 
          SO IF YOU GUYS SEE ME DOING THAT, UM, UH, I I ACTUALLY SHARE, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S, UH, UH, OPINION ABOUT, UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, BUT MAYBE FOR DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT REASONS, NOT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, DICTATING TO DESIGNERS, UH, THEIR DESIGN, BUT MORE THAT I THINK THE, THE SITING THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE OPEN SPACES OF THE PARK, UH, THE, THE KIND OF THE PODIUM CONCEPT OF THE BUILDING ALL, UH, ALLOW FOR THIS THING TO GO TO THE HEIGHT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          UM, I, I THINK THAT THOSE ARE, ARE STRONG SORT OF URBAN DESIGN, UH, REASONS FOR ALLOWING THIS HEIGHT. 
          I THINK THEY DID A, A GOOD JOB TO SHOW HOW THEY'RE KIND OF RESPONDING TO A DEVELOPMENT GRADIENT AND, UM, THE RELATIVE HEIGHTS OF, OF BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. 
          THEY'VE DONE, BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO I, I SUPPORT THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          NO, I ASK FOR A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT PLEASE. 
          UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE ON THE AMENDMENT GIBBS BEFORE WE, UM, CALL FOR THAT VOTE? MR. CHAIR, UM, CAN YOU RESTATE THE AMENDMENT PLEASE TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THAT? YES. 
          RESTATE THE AMENDMENT PLEASE. 
          THE AMENDMENT IS, UM, ITEM FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT STUDY AND CONSIDER ADDITIONAL MEANS TO REDUCE THE BUILDING HEIGHT. 
          CONSIDER ADDITIONAL MEANS. 
          MY INTENT WAS TO ALLOW THEM TO CONSIDER THAT IN CONCERT WITH THE OTHER DESIGN EXERCISES. 
          THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE FROST BANK ISSUE WHERE THERE WAS A REGULATION. 
          THERE IS NO REGULATION. 
          HE IS, THIS BUILDING IS WELL WITHIN THE REGULATION, BUT IT'S ACKNOWLEDGING A QUALITY OF THE BUILDING THAT SOME OF US ON THE COMMISSION AND THE D R C ACKNOWLEDGE, IT ALSO RECOGNIZES SENTIMENTS OF THE PUBLIC. 
          SO IT'S A WAY TO DOCUMENT THAT AND TO, LIKE I SAID, ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO STUDY ADDITIONAL MEANS. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES, CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY WITH COMMISSIONER SIMINO HERE? AS I UNDERSTOOD, AS I UNDERSTOOD YOUR AMENDMENT, YOUR AMENDMENT WAS TO THE MAIN MOTION TO, SO YOU'RE AMENDING WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND AMEND ITEM TWO TO ADD STIPULATION FOR KNIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ NAY. 
          MASUKA NAY. 
          CARPENTER NAYYY GROUP. 
          NAYYY ANTES. 
          YES. 
          ZER NAYYY MOTION FAILS. 
          SO NOW WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL, VOTE FOR THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH IS, UM, APPROVAL FOR CONCEPTUAL MOTION TO APPROVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MASUKA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES, I'M FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE DESIGN TEAM AS YOU GET INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, UH, I'M SURE YOU'LL, YOU HAVE A LOT TO STILL DEAL WITH, BUT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, MENTIONED HERE BY THE PUBLIC AND BY THE COMMISSION. 
          AND UH, FEEL FREE TO COME BACK TO DRCS AT ANY POINT DURING THAT UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE WILL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          APPRECIATE THEM VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, MAY I OR DO WE WAIT? AGENDA ITEM FIVE H D R C CASE 2022 DASH FIVE 12 ADDRESS, 7 29 NORTH PINE STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL FOUR FOOT 
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TALL GOTHIC CEDAR PICKET FENCE TO WRAP AROUND THE FRONT YARD AND INSTALL TWO PEDESTRIAN GATES. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FRONT YARD FENCE INSTALLATION AND TWO PEDESTRIAN GATES AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING B AND THE APPLICANT, PETE SANCHEZ IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER SINO, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? YES, I HAD A, A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          I, UM, HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UH, WAS THERE ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE DESIGN OR THE MATERIAL FOR THE DRIVEWAY GATE? UH, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A, UM, COREY, AM I ABLE APPROVAL THAT DISCUSSED IT? THIS SINCE IT'S NOT WHAT'S ON? PARDON? WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THE DIAGRAM SHOWS ON PAGE, UH, LET ME FIND IT. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          ON PAGE 12. 
          ON PAGE 12, WE SEE A DRIVEWAY GATE THAT'S NOT THERE. 
          IS, HAS THAT BEEN? YES. 
          SO THE DRIVEWAY GATE AND THE REAR PROPERTY GATE, THAT SIX YARD PRIVACY FENCE HAS BEEN APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY COMMISSIONERS IS THAT FRONT YARD FENCE, THE FOUR FOOT FENCE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT HERE TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I ALSO HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, MR. SANCHEZ. 
          UM, YES MA'AM. 
          CAN YOU TELL US WHY YOU WANT A FRONT YARD GATE OR A FRONT YARD FENCE? GOSH, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FUNNY, I'M, I'M NEW TO THE AREA, UH, RIGHT HERE DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO. 
          FEELS LIKE AS A LONG TIME SAN ANTONIO RESIDENT. 
          YOU KNOW, I GREW, I WAS BORN IN DALLAS, BUT MOVED HERE TO SAN ANTONIO AND GREW UP HERE. 
          UH, I'M, I'M IN A TOTALLY NEW CITY, RIGHT? IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY ALL OF THIS AND I'M SO GLAD I GOT TO BE A PART OF THAT FIRST PART ABOUT THE, UM, HEMISPHERE. 
          NOW WHY I WANT A FRONT FENCE. 
          UM, SO I DO HAVE A PUPPY. 
          UH, I HAVE A DOG AND WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING TO WALK HER OUTSIDE AND LET HER GO TO THE BATHROOM. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY GOING TO THE BACKYARD IS GREAT AND ALL, UM, BUT WE HAVE HAD DOGS THAT ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RUNNING TO THE BACKYARD, RUNNING TO THE FENCE, UH, RUNNING TO THE GATES. 
          SO, UH, JUST REALLY SAFETY I GUESS IS KIND OF THE BIGGEST THING, RIGHT? BEING ABLE TO SIT OUT ON THIS BEAUTIFUL, UH, COVERED DECK THAT I HAVE IN THE FRONT YARD AND, YOU KNOW, LET THE DOG RUN AROUND AND GET, GET A CHANCE TO PLAY WITH HER THERE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO HAVE HER LEASHED AND, AND, AND SPENDING TIME WITH HER THAT WAY. 
          UM, IT IS GREAT AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DIGNITY PARK, HAVING THE DOG PARK THERE AS WELL SOON. 
          SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT SAFETY AND, AND CONVENIENCE FOR THE PUPPY AND FUTURE KIDS, AS YOU NEVER KNOW. 
          YES. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          UM, UM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE HOUSE? GOSH, UM, WE JUST CAME UP ON OUR ONE YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ABOUT 13 MONTHS, 14 MONTHS OR SO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, WELCOME, WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, THANKS. 
          HAVE YOU HAD ANY INCIDENTS THAT WOULD LEAD US TO BELIEVE THAT SAFETY IS A REAL CONCERN ON THIS BLOCK? UM, I MEAN, BESIDES THE STRAY ANIMALS, UM, YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THERE WERE TWO GERMAN SHEPHERDS THAT WERE ROAMING, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WENT TO THE BACKYARD AND SAW, THANKFULLY ON THE RING CAMERA SURE. 
          TO, UH, YOU KNOW, GIVE A, GIVE A QUICK PHONE CALL TO MY GIRLFRIEND, NOT TO, NOT TO TAKE THE DOG OUTSIDE. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS ABOUT THAT TIME OF DAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, TO LET THE DOG OUT. 
          SO, UM, BESIDES, BESIDES THAT, UM, WE DO SEE A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE LOCATED FAIRLY CLOSE TO, UM, THE NUMBER 22 BUS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A BUS STOP AT THE VERY END OF OUR STREET. 
          UM, SO WE DO GET QUITE A BIT OF PEDESTRIANS. 
          THEN OF COURSE WITH THE, THE NEW PARK, UM, THAT'S HOPEFULLY GONNA BE FINISHED UP HERE SOON. 
          I KNOW, I SEE THE PROGRESS EVERY DAY ON MY DRIVE HOME FROM WORK AND IT'S LOOKING GREAT. 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE WILL BE MORE, MORE WALKERS, MORE BIKERS, MORE, UM, EVERYBODY ON THAT STREET, UM, THAN WE CURRENTLY SEE. 
          THE REASON WHY I I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, UM, JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF THE NATURE OF YOUR CONCERNS AND HOW TO MAKE YOUR PLACE COMFORTABLE AND SAFE FOR YOU, UM, IS ON YOUR BLOCK. 
          THERE ARE NO OTHER YARDS WITH FENCES. 
          UM, IF WE GO TO THE NEXT BLOCK UP ON THE SAME SIDE, LET'S SAY YOU'RE EAST FACING, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE, RIGHT? THERE'S ONLY ONE YARD WITH A FENCE. 
          THE PREDOMINANT CHARACTER OF THAT BLOCK FACE, YOUR BLOCK FACE AND THE NEXT ONE UP IS ONE OF NO FENCES. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF OTHER WAYS TO CONTROL ACCESS TO YOUR YARD, UH, LIKE LANDSCAPING AND SOME LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS? SO 
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WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TO, TO LETTING THE DOG OUT, RIGHT? I I'M SURE THERE'S, THERE'S COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON HERE AS WELL THAT, THAT HAVE THIS SAME SORT OF EXPERIENCE, RIGHT. 
          UM, WITH A DOG. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH SHE'S WELL TRAINED, UM, I CAN ONLY CONTROL MY PET, NOT ANYBODY ELSE'S. 
          UM, SAME SORT OF THING WITH, WITH KIDS, RIGHT? I, I'M SURE THERE ARE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON, ON HERE AS WELL THAT HAVE CHILDREN. 
          AND, UM, I REMEMBER TALKING TO A NEIGHBOR, UM, AS THEY WERE FIRST MOVING INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY DID NOT HAVE A FENCE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE AS THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BEST TO, TO MOVE INTO THEIR NEW HOME. 
          THEY UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT HAVE THAT SECURITY OF A FENCE. 
          UM, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CHILD DID WANDER TO THE STREET. 
          WELL, THANKFULLY ENOUGH, THERE WAS NO CARS COMING, SO EVERYTHING WAS FINE. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S A FUTURE CONCERN, UM, THAT I DON'T BELIEVE LANDSCAPING OR ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES WOULD, UM, SUFFICE. 
          UM, OFFENSES A PART OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. 
          AND I, I JUST, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT I LOOKED AT AS SOON AS I, AS SOON AS I PURCHASED THE HOME, WAS BEING ABLE TO INSTALL A FENCE AND, AND FINALLY COMPLETE THAT, THAT GOAL OF MINE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, LET ME, UM, JUST, UM, UM, POINT TO, I GUESS OUR GUIDELINES ARE, ARE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT FENCES, UM, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER FENCES AND OPEN YARDS. 
          AND BECAUSE THIS BLOCK HAS NO OTHER FENCING, NO OTHER FRONT YARD FENCING, I'M INCLINED TO NOT SUPPORT A FENCE BECAUSE OUR GUIDELINES DON'T ENCOURAGE IT. 
          THEY STATE TO AVOID IT. 
          THE U D C DOES. 
          AND JUST RECENTLY, I THINK IN SEPTEMBER AS A COMMISSION, WE VOTED TO APPROVE AN UPDATED POLICY DOCUMENT ON FENCES. 
          AND THAT ALSO, UM, THAT ALSO STATES THAT NEW FENCES ARE NOT APPROPRIATE, WHERE PROPERTIES ON THE BLOCK THAT DON'T HAVE FENCES OR HISTORICALLY HAVE FENCES. 
          SO FOR REASONS OF CONTINUITY AND CONSISTENCY, UM, I, I TEND NOT TO SUPPORT A NEW FENCE HERE. 
          IF WE HAD OTHER, IF WE, UM, STAFF, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. 
          DO WE HAVE OTHER APPLICANTS ON THIS BLOCK FACE THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTING FENCES? SO THERE ARE OTHER FENCES ON THAT SAME BLOCK. 
          THERE'S LIKE THREE OTHER FENCES ON THAT SAME BLOCK, ON THAT SAME STREET. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT WOODEN FENCES, BUT THEY ARE WROUGHT IRON AND CHAIN LINK THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. 
          I CAN PULL UP THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          YEAH, THERE ARE SOME ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          THERE ARE TWO OF THEM ON THAT SIDE. 
          AND THOSE WERE, THOSE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS, IF NOT LONGER. 
          THEY PRE, LET'S SAY THEY PREDATE THE GUIDELINES, RIGHT. 
          LOOKING AT 8 1 7, NOLAN WOULD BE A GREAT EXAMPLE. 
          YEAH. 
          OF THE FENCE THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED. 
          UH, IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER SOUTH ON THAT STREET AND ON THE RIGHT, THAT PRE, THAT SHOWS UP AS EARLY AS 2007, WHICH PREDATES THE GUIDELINES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU ASKED FOR FENCES ON THIS BLOCK, SO I'M SHOWING YOU THAT THERE ARE FENCES ON OH, YES, YES, YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I'M, I'M FULLY AWARE OF 'EM. 
          SO ANYWAY, I, TO BE CONSISTENT, TO BE FAIR, TO UM, BE, UM, TO COORDINATE WITH THE GUIDELINES, THE U D C AS WELL AS THE POLICY DOCUMENT, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I'M DON'T KNOW IF I FELL ASLEEP, BUT ARE, ARE WE HEARING A CASE OR WE'RE JUST WALKING IN AND MAKING A MOTION? WE, THIS WAS PULLED OFF CONSENT FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER SNO HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, YOU MAY ASK THEM, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THE MOTION. 
          WELL, I, I WOULD, I WOULD THINK A POINT OF ORDER THEN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS BECAUSE WOULD, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T YOU GO DOWN THE LINE AND ASK IF ANYBODY HAS COMMENTS BEFORE A MOTION IS MADE? I MEAN, I QUESTION 'CAUSE NOW I'M INTERRUPTING THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE. 
          RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY QUESTIONS, WOULDN'T WE? YOU, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU MAY ASK THEM NOW BEFORE THE MOTION DISCUSSION WILL COME AFTER THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, I'VE, I'M USED TO YOU ASKING FOR QUESTIONS, BUT OKAY, THEN I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, ON, ON THE SIZE OF THE FENCE, ARE YOU, UH, IS IT IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT THE FENCE IS A FOUR FOOT FENCE? I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE ALL RIGHT WITH A THREE FOOT FENCE? UM, WELL, I MEAN, FOUR FEET IS THE, THE MAX ALLOWED BY THE GUIDELINES, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS BASING MY, UM, MY REQUEST 
          [01:15:01]
ON MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, SO NOT NECESSARILY, NO, UH, THREE FOOT FENCE IS NOT NECESSARILY OUTTA QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THE THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE IN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU'VE, UH, PROVIDED, THERE'S A ADDRESS CALLED 8 0 2 NORTH OLIVE THERE MM-HMM. 
           AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE FENCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THAT FENCE IS, IT CREATES, UM, KIND KIND OF A, A WAY TO A APPROACH A, UM, A PICKET FENCE THAT, THAT THEN GIVES YOU A VISUAL SCALE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M JUST IMAGINING THAT FROM THE PICTURE OF, FROM, FROM THE POSITION OF YOUR HOUSE. 
          I'M, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION, WONDERING IF THE PROPORTION OF THE FENCE WAS TIED TO SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE, DO YOU HAVE A JACK RUSSELL TERRIER? RIGHT. 
          THEY JUMP A THREE FOOT FENCE FASTER THAN ANYBODY COULD IMAGINE, . 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD. 
          I'LL WAIT TILL THE MOTION AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? MOTION FAILS. 
          DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU, I, I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE A STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          AND, AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE ACROSS THE STREET IS SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVED, I THINK LAST YEAR OR, OR THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          IT WAS VERY RECENT, I THINK. 
          UM, AND I DO UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER SAVINO, MAY I CONTINUE THAT? JUST THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT OKAY OR DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR A SECOND? LET'S WAIT FOR A SECOND. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND ON THE MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, NO, AND I THINK THAT, UM, THERE HAS BEEN EXAMPLES. 
          I PARTICULARLY FIND THIS, UH, WHEN I SEE THE U D C GUIDELINES, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE LOOK AT WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHAT'S IN THE SURROUNDING BLOCKS OR WHAT'S ON THE BLOCK. 
          AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S COMMONLY FOUND, BUT THIS TYPE OF FENCE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE STAFF HAD IT KIND OF, RIGHT? IT'S TRANSPARENT. 
          WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING A NEW TYPE OF FENCE THAT IS NOT FOUND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THE, AND THE PICTURES SHOW, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE APPROVED SEVERAL OF THESE TYPES OF FENCES IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO THAT IS WHY I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT. 
          UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GI? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO COMMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, IF WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UM, POLL OR UPDATE OUR FENCING POLICY ONCE AGAIN. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          I, I WILL, I SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THE FENCE IS, IS NOT INTRUSIVE. 
          IF IT DOESN'T OBSTRUCT THE VIEW, JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER, UH, AGREE. 
          IT SAID, UM, AND IT CAN EASILY BE TAKEN DOWN, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE PERMANENT, YOU KNOW? UM, BUT, UH, GOING BACK TO, TO POLICY AND U D C AND WHATNOT, THERE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT KIND OF GIVE US TWO DIFFERENT GUIDELINES. 
          AND I THINK WE PROBABLY, WE, YOU KNOW, AS A, YOU KNOW, FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND THEN US HELPING OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, RE-LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE WORDING IS CORRECT AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO, UH, KIND OF READ TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS AND GET TWO DIFFERENT GUIDELINES. 
          I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT, BUT THERE IS A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS IT IS NOT ALLOWED. 
          SO THAT'S THE POINT. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, WELL, I, I'M, I APPRECIATE THE MOTION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I DON'T, I DON'T MIND THERE BEING A CONTRADICTION IN THE, IN THE GUIDELINE BECAUSE IT, IT JUST GIVES THE APPLICANT A LITTLE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT, THAT IS IMPORTANT TO, TO, UM, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS IN A WROUGHT IRON PARTICULARLY IS, IS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE CAN OR WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO. 
          THE, THE PICKET FENCE IS A VERY, UH, KINDA REMOVABLE, UH, THING. 
          IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE, THE SAME THING THAT A METAL FENCE REQUIRES. 
          AND IN MANY CASES, A PICKET FENCE WILL ROT AND GO AWAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OPEN FRONT YARD AGAIN. 
          SO, WITH RESPECT TO THOSE THINGS, THE THING THAT, THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER ENO'S, UH, EXPECTATION THERE, I, AND I THINK I, I AGREE WITH HER, UH, BUT WHERE, WHERE I, UH, KIND OF BOUNCE BACK A BIT IS, IS THAT THE, THESE SIMPLE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S CEDAR FENCES AND IF THEY'RE OF A MINIMAL HEIGHT, THAT'S WHY I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY HOPE IS THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDERED THE THREE FOOT FENCE. 
          IS THAT IT, IT ALMOST ENABLES, UH, THE, THE FENCE TO BE ALMOST LIKE A REMOVABLE FENCE, RIGHT? LIKE YOU'D PUT IT THERE AND THEN YOU'D TAKE IT DOWN. 
          NOT THAT YOU'D EVER DO THAT, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT PERMANENCE IS, UH, REMOVED. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT THE PICKET FENCE REALLY, REALLY EMERGES, RIGHT? SO 
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I FIND IT ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE, EVEN IN A COMMUNITY WITHOUT FENCES, BUT BECAUSE IT'S A WOOD PICKET FENCE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          MAZUA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 5 0 3. 
          ADDRESS, 3 0 2 RIDDLE STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL FOR A SIDEWALK PROJECT ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF RIDDLE STREET, ACCOMPANIED BY ADA. 
          A RAMPS ON INTERSECTION OF DIVINE AND SADIE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING A, ANY TWO REMOVAL MUST BE CORRELATED WITH THE CITY ARBORIST OFFICE AND THE APPLICANT. 
          LUIS AND CARLO ARE JOINING VIRTUALLY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO PULL THIS FOR QUESTIONS. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          I PULLED ANOTHER ONE. 
          UM, I, UM, I LOOKED THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER CITY REQUESTS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR SIDEWALKS AND JUST SIDEWALKS, AND THEY ALL PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION IN ADDITION TO JUST THE SIDEWALK. 
          THIS ONE DID NOT. 
          AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME DRIVEWAY CUTS, UM, THAT NEED TO BE COORDINATED. 
          AND BECAUSE THEY'RE UNLIKE THE OTHER DRIVE, THE OTHER, UM, CASES THAT WE'VE SEEN, THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR DRIVEWAY CUTS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          THEY HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THE DRIVEWAYS AND THEY HAVEN'T STATED THE DIMENSION OR WHAT THAT CONNECTION IS. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO, UM, ADD TO THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADD, TO ADD A STIPULATION THAT THE CITY PROVIDE A DRIVEWAY SCHEDULE, DRIVEWAY CUT SCHEDULE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE CORRECT NAME, UM, ON THEIR FINAL DOCUMENT BEFORE A C O A IS ISSUED. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOTION THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT INCLUDED DRIVEWAY CUT IN THEIR FINAL DRAWING BEFORE BEING ISSUED A C O A. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NOTHING. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, NO COMMENTS. 
          ANYTHING TO ADD TO COMMISSIONER SABINO? NOPE, THAT'LL DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          CARPEN, I MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGENDA ITEM 8 2 34 CLUB. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST TO DECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, DONNA CHO, IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UM, I JUST HAD ONE THING TO ADD AS A STIPULATION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU DID THIS VERY CLEVERLY ON NUMBER NINE AS PART OF THE MOTION YOU INCLUDED THE STIPULATIONS OR REQUESTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS BRILLIANT, BUT I'D ALREADY PULLED THIS ONE. 
          I DO WANNA ADD TO THE STIPULATION THAT THE SIDING SHOULD BE A FOUR TO SIX INCH EXPOSURE, SMOOTH FINISH, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE ALL. 
          UH, IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STIPULATIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I'D ALSO, UH, ENCOURAGE IN THAT CONSIDERATION. 
          THERE WERE A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TALKED ABOUT THE SCREENING OF THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT OR RELOCATING THE CONDENSER, AND ALSO THE STIPULATION THAT, UM, THERE A THREE TAB DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE BE USED RATHER THAN I THINK, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET INTO FURTHER DISCUSSION, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SO THEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER SAVINO? SURE. 
          UM, I THINK I'LL, UM, I'D LOVE WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS 
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AND STIPULATIONS AND INCLUDE THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN THOSE STIPULATIONS. 
          I SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I THINK, I THINK, UH, I TOTALLY SUPPORT STAFF'S UH, RECOMMENDATIONS HERE AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD MADE SOME GOOD CONTRIBUTIONS IN THEIR ANALYSIS OF THE, OF THE CASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NOTHING TO ADD, MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NOTHING. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU? NO COMMENTS. 
          I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO HAVE THE, UH, WHATEVER, WHATEVER COMMENTS FROM A COMMUNITY BE TRANSLATED INTO THE COMMENTS OF A COMMISSIONER SO THAT THEY'RE ENTERED INTO THE, THE MOTION SPECIFICALLY AND NOT GENERICALLY AS JUST THE, THE, THE POWER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS PUT IN JUST LIKE THAT. 
          WE SHOULD BE SPECIFIC ABOUT IT AND THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD FIND THEIR WAY INTO THE MOTION, INTO THE MOTION ON THE PART OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. 
          AND STAFF CAN REPEAT THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STIPULATIONS IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          YES. 
          SO INCLUDED IN, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION COMMENTS, UH, WAS THE STIPULATION THAT ANY HARDY SIDING INSTALLED FEATURES A SIX INCH EXPOSURE THAT THE PROPOSED AC UNIT IS MOVED TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE DRIVEWAY OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT THE COLOR OF THE REAR ACCESSORY, UH, STRUCTURE IS, MATCHES THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND IS A THREE TAB ARCHITECTURAL, UM, SHINGLE AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL DOOR SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF TO CLARIFY WHETHER THAT'S A SOLID WOOD DOOR OR IF IT DOES FEATURE A LIGHT AND MR. CHAIR, THAT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. 
          BUT IN THE MOTION THAT DOESN'T STRIKE THE, THE, AND THE COMMENTS PROVIDED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT THAT'S WHAT MY COMMENT IS TO IS TO, TO STRIKING THAT GENERIC. 
          UM, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A SPACE FOR THAT IN A MOTION FOR, FOR, FOR THOSE EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT IS THOUGH, BUT ON THE PART OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AS OPPOSED TO A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION, THAT MEANS, UM, UM, AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. 
          MSNA, WHAT DO WE NEED AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION? I THINK THE MOTION IS CLEAR. 
          IF I THINK THE MOTION IS CLEAR, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S AN OBJECTION TO THE MOTION. 
          THE ISSUE THERE, THERE'S AN OBJECTION TO THE MAKING OF A PRECEDENT THAT ENABLES JUST THE COMMENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO BE, UM, A, A PART OF A MOTION THAT IF, IF THERE'S A MAKER OF A MOTION, THAT MAKER OF THE MOTION, AND NOT SPECIFIC TO COMMISSIONER SAVINO, BUT IF THERE'S A MAKER OF A MOTION THAT THAT, THAT THAT MAKER OF THAT MOTION SHOULD SPECIFY THE ELEMENTS OF THAT MOTION. 
          NOT, NOT MERELY JUST A LETTER OVER HERE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          SO STAFF HAS ALREADY CLARIFIED THAT, AND WE ALREADY HAD CONSENT, WHICH HAD A SIMILAR LANGUAGE, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS WOULD BE PRESIDENT. 
          WELL, AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER BOTH MENTIONED WHAT THOSE STIPULATIONS WERE. 
          AND SO YES, THE, THE MOTION WAS GENERALIZED, BUT THEN IT WAS CLARIFIED THAT THOSE WERE THE ITEMS. IF COMMISSIONER SAVINO WANTED TO REPEAT THEM, THAT WOULD BE FINE. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED A WHOLE NOTHER ADMITTED MOTION TO, TO HAVE THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE HAVE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU CORY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY, CLARIFY THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, THE SIDING, THE, THE SIDING, THE THREE THREE TAB OR ARCHITECTURAL PROFILE ROOF? THAT THIS, THAT THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE RELOCATED TO THE BACK? UH, THAT THE DOOR HAS A, WHAT WAS IT? LIGHT FRONT. 
          LIGHT AND SHEET TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF CUT SHEET REVIEWED BY STAFF FOR THE, FOR THE DOOR IN ADDITION TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE MADE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND I EXTEND MY SECOND TO THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH CITING DOCUMENTS OR COMMENTS OR LETTERS THAT ARE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD HERE FOR BREVITY OF OUR, OUR, UH, OUR, UH, HEARING HERE. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          ANYTHING TO ADD? I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA 
          [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION
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ITEM NUMBER 12. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 0 2 9 18. 
          DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY 
          [01:30:01]
RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT ADDRESSES NINE 18 DAWSON TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST OF THE TWO-STORY HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON THE LOT, THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL FEATURE FRONTAGE TO DAWSON STREET TWO. 
          REQUESTED TWO, CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT THE REAR OF THE LOT. 
          ADDRESS IS NINE 18 DAWSON. 
          THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL FEATURE FRONTAGE FRONTAGE OF FLORENCE STREET. 
          THREE. 
          PERFORM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING REAR REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING MODIFYING THE FENESTRATION PROFILE ON THE EAST FACADE, REMOVING ONE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR OPENING ON THE SOUTH FAC SIDE AND REMOVING ONE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST FACADE. 
          AND FOUR, CONSTRUCTED A TWO-STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE LOT. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FRONTING DAWSON STREET. 
          BASED ON FINDING ONE C AS PROPOSED, A NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD CREATE BOTH LOT COVERAGE AND BUILDING SPACING CONDITIONS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT STUDY INCREASING THE FRONT SETBACK TO DECREASE THE PERCEIVED MASSING FROM DAWSON STREET. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING ONE B TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE A FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF AT LEAST ONE FOOT IS NOTED IN FINDING ONE E THREE. 
          THAT THE, THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO BOTH THE EAST AND WEST SIDES IS NOTED IN FINDING ONE I FOUR THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING ONE K AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND FIVE THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY THAT FEATURES ACCESS FROM DAWSON STREET BE ELIMINATED IS NOTED IN FINDING ONE M TWO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE FUNDING FRONTING FLORENCE STREET BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE WAYS TO DECREASE THE OVERALL MASSING. 
          THAT IS THE HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING TWO C TWO THAT WOULD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING TWO J AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS, THREE, THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO BOTH THE EAST AND WEST FACADES IS NOTED IN FINDING TWO H AND FOUR THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WITH ACCESS TO FLORENCE ALLEY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET AND WIDTH IS NOTED IN FINDING TWO L. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING THREE A WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR AND PEDESTRIAN DOOR STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BOTH BE WOOD AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINED ONE EXISTING WINDOW OPENING ON THE WEST SIDE. 
          AND FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE MASSING, THE FEATURE EITHER ONE STORY ADDITION OR AN ADDITION OF REDUCED TYPE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADHERE TO THE FOLLOWING, ONE THAT WOULD, OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN FINDING FOUR D AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS. 
          TWO, THAT ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS BE ADDED TO THE WEST FACADE IS NOTED IN FINDING FOUR F AND THREE THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORER REDUCTION IN OVERALL HEIGHT IS NOTED IN FINDING FOUR B. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, JESSE RAMIREZ AS WELL AS RUSTY LOPEZ ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          UH, THEY'RE ALSO, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS, UH, BOTH VOICEMAILS, UH, AND THOSE HERE IN PERSON. 
          AND LASTLY, UM, FURTHER DOWN IN THE PACKET, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED REVISED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ARE TO ADDRESS, UH, SOME OF STAFF'S COMMENTS AS WELL AS THE COMMENTS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE ELIMINATION OF THE DRIVEWAY ON DAWSON STREET. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE APPLICANTS MAY ADDRESS THE, UH, STAFF COMMENTS OR PRESENT THE, THEIR CASE. 
          COME BACK HERE OR DO WE COME UP? I'M SORRY. 
          YES, IF YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM. 
          SO THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN THAT WE HAD AND YOU COME OVER HERE. 
          I'M JESSE RAMIREZ. 
          UH, RUSTY LOPEZ WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP. 
          CAN YOU CHECK THE MIC? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, TO DEVELOP HERE. 
          UH, BASICALLY WE'VE TAKEN ALL THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE, UH, HISTORIC TO TRY AND KEEP THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. 
          UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST GONNA REMODEL THAT ONE AND KEEP IT AS, AS YOU KNOW, RESTORED AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. 
          EXCUSE ME, SIR, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? WE'RE HAVING SOME AUDIO ISSUES HERE. 
          OKAY, SO BASICALLY THIS IS THE NEW, UH, THIS IS THE NEW, UH, SITE PLAN. 
          THE ELIMINATION OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE FRONT STREET OF DAWSON WAS REQUESTED. 
          SO WE KIND OF ELIMINATED THAT. 
          NOW WE'RE HAVING THE ENTRY FROM THE 
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FRONT UNIT FROM THE REAR. 
          UH, IF YOU CAN SEE THE TWO CARS THERE, BASICALLY YOU HAVE, UH, A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY IN THERE AND NOW YOU HAVE PARKING FOR TWO. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE THE OTHER, UH, CAR THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR PARKING FOR THE ONE IN THE FRONT. 
          UH, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PRESENTING BOTH PROJECTS TOGETHER, I WANT YOU TO ALL CONSIDER THAT THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT PROJECT FROM EACH OTHER. 
          THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS. 
          THERE'S LOT 13 AND THERE'S LOT 14 PERMITS WILL BE REQUESTED FOR TWO UNITS AND, OR, YOU KNOW, FOR TWO UNITS IN ONE LOT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS JUST GONNA BE IN A, IN A REMODEL AND THE OTHER ONE'S GONNA BE IN ADDITION. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS TOGETHER HERE, IT WILL BE TWO, TWO SEPARATE, UH, INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. 
          SO THE PARKING, THE PARKING WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE AS REQUESTED. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY PARKING IN THE FRONT. 
          UM, I GUESS I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? UM, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          YOUR PERMISSION? YES, SIR. 
          UH, SIR. 
          ON ON LIGHT LOT 14. 
          YES SIR. 
          THE BUILDING THAT IS, UM, OVER HERE ENCROACHING, ENCROACHING FROM FLORES, FROM FLORENCE COMING IN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT ONE, RIGHT, THAT ONE, THAT BUILDING GOT PUSHED BACK. 
          UH, WE ALREADY AT THE REQUIRED, I MEAN WE'RE AT 20 FEET SETBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH HER. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE THAT GATE WAS, RIGHT? OR THERE WAS A GATE THERE. 
          AM I, AM I IN THE RIGHT, AM I IN THE RIGHT PROJECT? COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? I THINK YOU'RE, UH, THINKING OF ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT TO FORGIVE ME, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SETBACK OF THIS STRUCTURE MAY HAVE INCREASED SOME SINCE THE LAST TIME THAT YOU ALL CAME TO THE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS IN MY HEAD AND CONFUSING BOTH , BUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR PUSHING IT BACK. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IF WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OH, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          SORRY. 
          THE, THE STAFF, THE CURB CUTS ARE LOUD. 
          THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S ON FLUENT STREET, IT'S CONSIDERED AN ALLEY OR CORRECT. 
          THERE'S NO SIDEWALK CURRENT. 
          THERE'S NO SIDEWALK CURRENTLY THERE OR, OR CURB CUTS OR CURBS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST ILLUSTRATING IT FOR PURPOSES OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ACTUAL ENTRY FOR THE PRO FOR THE PROPERTIES. 
          THE, UM, THE CONDITION ON, ON FLORENCE STREET IS, UH, AN INFORMAL CONDITION. 
          UM, THE FLORENCE STREET IS SEEN AS THE, THE BACK OR THE REAR OF, OF THE PROPERTIES, UH, THAT ARE ADDRESSED TO DAWSON STREET AND THEN, UH, I BELIEVE TO HOUSTON STREET, UM, THE NEXT PROPERTY OR THE NEXT LOT BLOCKED TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, IF THE COMMISSION SAW IT APPROPRIATE TO, UM, OUTLINE SOME TYPE OF STANDARD, UM, THEN THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. 
          UH, BUT THERE ARE NO EXISTING CURBS OR SIDEWALKS, UM, AT THE REAR OF THESE PROPERTIES ON FLORENCE STREET. 
          AND, AND, AND THIS WILL BE CONCRETE, IT'LL BE GRAVEL. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT ILLUSTRATED AS GRAVEL. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PACKAGE THAT SHOWS WHEN THOSE SIDE, THOSE CARS THAT ARE NOT PARKED TOWARDS DAWSON, BUT THE OTHER THAT ARE PARKED TOWARDS THE SIDE, UM, DO WE SEE THAT IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON EACH SIDE? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PACKAGE THAT COULD SHOW US? ARE WE, ARE WE LIKE PARKING RIGHT INTO A WINDOW? A HOUSE, A BACK HOUSE? WHAT ARE YOU PARKING? WHERE WOULD THE YEAH, WELL THE FRONT STRUCTURE. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE A RIGHT THERE. 
          I GUESS THE LAST ONE YOU SEE THE FRONT STRUCTURE THAT'S FACING DAWSON OVER THERE, THAT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY THE REAR OF THE FRONT. 
          UH, THERE'S NO EXISTING, UH, DOORS OR WINDOWS THERE, UM, THAT I CAN SEE. 
          DO YOU HAVE A BETTER PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THE EXISTING OR NO? I DUNNO IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN THERE. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT STRUCTURE THERE, THAT COMES OUT, THAT ONE'S ALREADY, THAT WASN'T PART OF A HISTORIC, UH, ORIGINAL. 
          SO WE HAD THE, WE HAVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE THAT LITTLE PIECE THAT STICKS OUT ON THE LEFT OF THE REAR. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THOSE STAIRS AS WELL. 
          THAT ONE WAS ALSO REQUESTED AND APPROVED. 
          UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE ELIMINATED. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE KIND OF THE PARKING THERE TO THE REAR OF THAT. 
          AND, AND THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THAT, THIS LITTLE APARTMENT HERE WITH THE ONE CAR GARAGE. 
          THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE GONNA DO THE ADDITION TO THE REAR, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE SMALL. 
          SO I'M MORE ASKING LIKE WHAT'S ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR. 
          SO LOT 12, RIGHT WHERE IT SAYS LOT 15, LIKE LITERALLY WHERE THE LETTERS ARE. 
          AH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          TO THE RIGHT, TO THE OTHER SIDE. 
          MAYBE THAT COULD BE BETTER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
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YEAH, THERE'S A HOUSE TO THE FRONT. 
          UH, BUT, BUT NOW BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE HOUSE KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE, SO WHERE IT'S, SO IT, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE VISIBILITY AND OF COURSE WE'RE GONNA FENCE THAT AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION, UH, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          UM, LET'S START WITH THE, UM, VOICEMAILS AND THEN, UH, COREY, DO WE HAVE ONE PERSON HERE? UM, SO WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS. 
          YES. 
          HELLO. 
          HOLA. 
          MY NAME IS KEVIN ALLISON AND I LIVE ON THE 1300 BLOCK OF BURNETT. 
          I AM NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY AND I WANT TO CALL IN, UH, AND GIVE MY SUPPORT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE MULTIPLE HOMES BEING BUILT AT 9 1 8 DAWSON, THIS IS A HISTORIC COMMUNITY. 
          THIS IS A HOME ON SINGLE HOME ON ONE LOT, AND I THINK IT IS TRAVESTY TO PUT FOUR HOMES ON THAT LOT. 
          I THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE CHARM AND THE CULTURE AND ERODES THE COMMUNITY OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 9 1 8. 
          DAWSON. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE COSTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INWOOD HILL. 
          CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL. 
          WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 0 2, LOCATED AT NINE 18 DAWSON STREET, WE AGREE WITH O P'S DENIAL ON ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE, FRONTING DAWSON STREET O P'S APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          AND O P'S DENIAL. 
          ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S APPROVAL ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          FRONTING FLORENCE STREET BUILDING THREE ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON THIS RMM FOUR SINGLE FAMILY LOT IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE IN DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          EVEN THOUGH THE LOT SIZES IN DIG WHITTY HILL ARE LARGE, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT BUILDING ON EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THESE LOTS SHOULD BE APPROVED. 
          THE EXISTING REAR STRUCTURE FACING FLORENCE STREET CAN EASILY BE TURNED INTO A CASITA OR A SMALLER SECONDARY HOUSING UNIT, WHICH DOES SIT WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. 
          THIS LEAVES PLENTY OF SPACE FOR REAR ENTRY PARKING THROUGH FLORENCE STREET FOR BOTH STRUCTURES. 
          IT ALSO MEANS THAT A YARD WOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE AND USABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AT THIS LOCATION. 
          THIS WILL ALSO PREVENT OVERCROWDING AND LACK OF PARKING FOR PEOPLE WHO WILL ULTIMATELY LIVE THERE AND VISIT THERE. 
          THIS TYPE OF OVER BUILDING AND ALLOWING THREE TO FOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ON ONE LOT WOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED AT ANY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS OUTSIDE OF FOUR 10. 
          WHY IS IT SO OFTEN APPROVED FOR OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN IT SO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT MEET HISTORIC STANDARDS? THANK YOU. 
          HI, THIS IS SHELL PATEL. 
          MY HOME ADDRESS IS 1114 NORTH OLIVE STREET, 7 8 2 0 2, AND I AM CALLING REGARDING THE ITEM NUMBER 12 9 18 DAWSON. 
          I AM IN OPPOSITION OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE VERY HIGH DENSITY, UH, FOR THAT AREA. 
          UM, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE, MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO. 
          HI, MY NAME IS ANNE PALERMO. 
          UM, I LIVE AT FIVE 11 LAMAR IN DIGNITY HILL, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 12, UM, AT NINE 18 DAWSON. 
          UM, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, UM, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN AN OLD GROWTH TREE. 
          UM, THAT TREE SHOULD BE PROTECTED. 
          UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, DIGNITY HILL HAS A VERY, UM, LACKING TREE CANOPY, SO THAT IS MY MAIN CONCERN THERE. 
          UM, AND, BUT I AM HAPPY THAT THEY ARE PROTECTING THE HISTORIC HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BYE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS MEGAN SCOR AND I LIVE IN DIGNITY HILL AT 1818 EAST HOUSTON. 
          AND I'M CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 12 AT 1918 DAWSON STREET. 
          UM, I'M REGISTERING A COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A TRANSIT RICH AND WELL CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS FACING AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS AND MORE UNITS AND MORE NEIGHBORS ARE ABSOLUTELY WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL 
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CORD. 
          YOU HAVE THE, UH, IN-PERSON. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF IN-PERSON SPEAKERS VERSUS HEATHER O'NEILL. 
          SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SEAN O'NEILL, THE TIME TO SPEAK TODAY. 
          UM, I BROUGHT SOME, UH, PHOTOS AND I WANTED TO, UH, SEE IF WE COULD PULL THOSE UP. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AS HE'S PULLING THOSE UP, I'LL JUST KIND OF, UH, TALK. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL CREATE AN OBTRUSIVE CLUSTERED HOUSING ON ONE LOT, EVEN THOUGH HE SAYS THAT THIS IS GONNA BE ON TWO LOTS. 
          IT'S NOT APPROVED TO BE ON TWO LOTS. 
          IT'S ALREADY ONE LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, TRAFFIC CONTROL WILL BE UNMANAGEABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS DWELLING ON ONE LOT. 
          IF PLANNING ON FOUR SEPARATE PLATS, THIS SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, UM, DEVALUES OUR HOME AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING HOME. 
          IF IT'S TWO SEPARATE PLATS, IT'S STILL SIGNIFICANTLY DEVALUES OUR HOME AND THE SURROUNDING HOMES. 
          OUR STREET IS A QUIET STREET AND RESIDENT FRIENDLY. 
          NOISE CONTROL WILL DEFINITELY BE AN ISSUE. 
          UM, UH, YES, THE PECAN TREE. 
          SO THIS PECAN TREE IS, UH, MOST LIKELY OLDER THAN THE HOUSE ITSELF THAT WAS BUILT IN 1905. 
          THIS BEAUTIFUL, UH, TREE IS HEALTHY AND FLOURISHING AND PROVIDES MUCH NEEDED SHADE. 
          UM, WE ARE A UNIQUE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT ALREADY STRUGGLES WITH MATURE TREE COVERAGE. 
          KEEPING OUR MATURE TREES BRINGS VALUE AND BEAUTY TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, JUST SOMETHING TO NOTE, THIS TREE IS, IS PRETTY LARGE IN SIZE, AND IF YOU WERE TO, UM, IF YOU WERE TO GA UH, GAUGE THE AGE OF A TREE, OF A PECAN TREE, IT'S 2.5 CENTIMETERS OF THE WIDTH PER YEAR. 
          THIS TREE IS REALLY BIG. 
          I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE LIKE 200 YEARS OLD. 
          AND, UM, IF ALSO LOOKING AT, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT PICTURE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S OUR VIEW OF DOWNTOWN. 
          WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS BASICALLY ONE BIG GIANT SIGHTING FROM THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE. 
          UM, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? OKAY. 
          UM, THE ONE WITH THE CHAIR? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          THAT'S FROM OUR HOUSE TO THE FENCE. 
          THAT'S HOW MUCH ROOM WE HAVE. 
          SO GOING, IF YOU WERE TO PUT A HOUSE RIGHT UP ON THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE, ALL WE WOULD SEE WAS SIDING FROM THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACK OF OUR BACKYARD. 
          SO IT'S REALLY AN INFRINGEMENT OF, UM, ON OUR PROPERTY. 
          IT WOULD SWALLOW OUR HOUSE UP. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SEAN O'NEILL. 
          HOW Y'ALL DOING? CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? GOOD. 
          UM, SO I WANTED TO COME OUT AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I COMMUNICATED MY OPPOSITION TO THIS. 
          UH, WE ARE RELATIVELY NEW TO, TO THE AREA, UH, MEANING THE NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, NOW HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE, UH, CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN WHERE WE HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS. 
          UM, WE ARE ALL FOR RESTORING THE HISTORIC HOME. 
          IT'S A GREAT LOOKING, UH, PROPERTY. 
          IT HAS A WEIGHT, IT, IT, IT, IT GIVES SIGNIFICANCE TO THE STREET, BUT WE'RE OPPOSED TO IS JUST CROWDING IN AND SLAMMING IN THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES ONTO, UH, ONTO ONE PLOT. 
          UM, WE THINK THAT SQUEEZING IN A TWO STORY, UM, IMPROVEMENT OR TWO STORY BUILDING BETWEEN OURS AND THE HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE IS GONNA MAKE THE ENTIRE AREA STAND OUT. 
          IT WILL NOT FLOW WITH WHAT EXISTS, UM, ALREADY IN PLACE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          UM, AND IT WILL CREATE AN ISSUE WITH CROWDING. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW EVERYONE AVERAGES AROUND TWO OR THREE VEHICLES, UH, PER HOUSE. 
          UH, TAKE THAT MULTIPLY ABOUT FOUR. 
          WE CAN NOW HAVE 10 OR 12 VEHICLES, UH, IN A RELATIVELY SMALL AREA AREA USING AN ALLEY THAT EVERYONE USES TO PUT OUT THEIR GARBAGE BINS AND RECYCLE BINS. 
          UM, WHICH HAS, WHICH CREATES THE ISSUE OF CROWDING AND PARKING, UH, UP AND DOWN THE 
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ALLEY. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. 
          IT WILL MAKE OUR, UM, OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UM, STAND OUT AND LIKE, LIKE THE CALLER SAID, UH, DON'T THINK THIS, THIS, THIS WOULD HAPPEN IN, IN, IN SEVERAL OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, AND WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO OURS. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL THE APPLICANTS GO UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? THIS, UM, THIS REQUEST WAS MOST RECENTLY REVIEWED BY THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE LAST WEEK. 
          UM, WOULD ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO GIVE A REPORT? COMMISSIONER SAVINA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT? UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE HAD, I'VE BEEN THROUGH SO MANY OF THESE, UH,  AND I CAN, UM, PERHAPS, UH, MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO TO START THAT OFF, JESSE OR RUSTY, UM, IF YOU WANT TO WALK THE COMMISSION THROUGH, UH, A FEW OF THE UPDATES THAT YOU'VE MADE TO, UM, SO COMMISSIONERS PREVIOUSLY WHEN THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED, UM, THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS, AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED FOR THIS PROJECT. 
          SINCE, UH, STAFF'S MOST RECENT COMMENTS AND THE MOST RECENT DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, REDUCED THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          WHEN THIS REQUEST WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED, UH, THE SINGLE, OR THE, EXCUSE ME, THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON FLORENCE SALLY WAS PROPOSED AS A DUPLEX. 
          UH, AS YOU CAN SEE NOW, UH, THAT PROPOSAL IS, UM, A, A, IT'S A, A SINGLE, UH, SINGLE, UH, OCCUPANT OR SINGLE RESIDENCE. 
          UM, THE ONE PRIMARY THING THAT IS NEW IS THE PROPOSAL TO, UM, CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AT THE FRONT OF THE LOT. 
          UH, THIS IS PRIMARILY WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMEND NOT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON FLORENCE ALLEY. 
          UH, STAFF WOULD ALSO, PER OUR RECOMMENDATION, SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A ONE STORY, UH, ADDITION TO THE EXISTING ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF, IN ADDITION TO THE ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, THAT FEATURES A REDUCED MASSING. 
          UH, SO A REDUCED FOOTPRINT. 
          UH, SPECIFICALLY THE GUIDELINES NOTE THAT ADDITION SHOULD NOT DOUBLE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND FOOTPRINT, UH, AS PROPOSED. 
          UH, THE, THE STRUCTURE CURRENTLY DOES DO THAT. 
          UH, SO JUST TO GIVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF STAFF'S PRIMARY COMMENTS THAT MAY ALLOW FOR, UM, A FEW MORE COMMENTS FROM THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS ALLOW THE APPLICANTS TO COMMENT ON WHAT HAS BEEN UPDATED SINCE THIS WAS LAST REVIEWED. 
          CAN YOU PUT UP THE CURRENT PLAN, PROPOSED SITE PLAN, PLEASE? THIS IS THE MOST RECENT SITE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED TO ADDRESS COMMENTS. 
          THIS IS NOT REFLECTED IN STAFF'S REPORT JUST AS AN F Y I. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          UH, GOING BACK TO THE D R C, IT UM, JUST TOOK ME A MINUTE TO, UM, JOG MY MEMORY ON THIS. 
          UH, STAFF HAS IT CORRECT IN, UM, THE REQUESTS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE SPENT DISCUSSING THIS, I BELIEVE WAS DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT EMANATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT LAYOUT WHERE THE BUILDINGS WERE CLARIFYING SETBACKS AND RELATIONSHIPS AMONG THE HOUSES. 
          WHAT'S AN, WHAT'S THE PRIMARY HOUSE? WHAT'S THE ACCESSORY DWELLING BUILDING AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I THINK WE WERE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH BEING PROPOSED ALSO, UH, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACCESS. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ITEM IT IS, THE EXISTING DETACHED DWELLING WITH THE ATTACHED TWO STORY AND HOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT AND, UM, AND THE ISSUES WITH THAT STRUCTURE. 
          BUT, UM, UH, THE MAJORITY OF OUR TIME WAS DUE TO THIS VERY IRREGULAR AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS AN UNSUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE THE ZONING CORRECT FOR THAT, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY THAT WILL OFTENTIMES TAKE PRECEDENT AND THAT'S WHAT GUIDES US. 
          SO, UM, MY, MY SENSE WAS THAT WE ALL, UM, UNDERSTAND THAT ADDING DENSITY TO THE LOT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, BUT HOW IT'S BEING DONE IS REALLY KEY TO YOUR, TO THE SUCCESS. 
          CORRECT. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. 
          FIRST. 
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ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          MR. VELASQUEZ. 
          UM, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ELEVATION THAT'S UP THERE RIGHT NOW, UM, THE, THE ODD, UM, SITUATION, IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE MAYBE IT'S A STAIRCASE OR A WATER HEATER OR WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? AND, AND, AND, AND IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD GO STRAIGHT UP? I KNOW IT, IT ADDS A, IT ADDS A SPACE, BUT AT, WE HAD A PREVIOUSLY A, A BALCONY OUT THERE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR COMING OUT, BUT IT WASN'T COVERED. 
          SO IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR US TO EXTEND THE ROOF AND THEN COVER IT. 
          BUT BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TIME , I GUESS THEY JUST DECIDED TO KIND OF GET RUN AWAY FROM IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE HAD, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          I SEE. 
          SO BEFORE WE, SO NOW WE JUST KINDA, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN, I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THE BALCONY AND THEN EXTEND THE ROOF LINE A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE ALREADY REDUCED THE FOOTPRINT RIGHT. 
          TO THE ADDITION TO THE BACK. 
          THAT, AND SO THAT, WELL, AND THE BALCONY WAS, YOU, YOU WERE ADVISED AGAINST THE BALCONY OKAY. 
          TO HAVE IT, UH, UNCOVERED, I THINK. 
          IS THAT WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS? UH, THE BALCONY ELEMENT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY NOTED IN STAFF'S REPORT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONERS, UH, DURING THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          UM, STAFF'S PRIMARY COMMENT WAS TO, UH, TRY TO FIND A REDUCTION, A WAY TO REDUCE MASSING AND FOOTPRINT MM-HMM. 
          , UM, HOWEVER YOU WERE ABLE TO. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, WELL, THAT'S IMPORTANT IN LIGHT OF, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF TOGGLE BETWEEN THOSE TWO IMAGES, IT'S IMPORTANT IN LIGHT OF, UH, POTENTIAL MOTION THAT COULD BE MADE. 
          BECAUSE THE QUESTION OF THAT SHAPE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH THAT SHAPE BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID DON'T DO THE OTHER SHAPE. 
          IT KINDA SHOWS YOU THAT, THAT, THAT IT COULD END UP LOOKING LIKE THAT AND THEN WHAT? RIGHT. 
          IT HAD IT LABELED WRONG. 
          I THINK IT WAS LABELED MORE AS A ROOF DECK VERSUS A BALCONY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK THAT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE WHOLE, UH, SYSTEM OR THE QUESTION. 
          UH, NOW, NOW, IF MASSING WASN'T AN ISSUE AND YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT THE BALCONY BACK MM-HMM. 
           COVER IT IN, IN THE SHAPE THAT CORRECT? THAT, THAT THE BUILDING WANTS IT TO BE SHAPED IN, WOULD THAT STILL BE IN YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          OKAY. 
          A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          NOW, ONE OTHER QUESTION, ASSUMING OR GAMBLING, RIGHT? THAT, THAT THAT FRONT BUILDING IS NOT, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA GET THE VOTES THAT YOU NEED, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , IF THERE WAS A, UH, A COMPROMISE THAT YOU MADE WHERE YOU MIGHT GET THIS BUILDING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU WANT? OR IS THIS THAT FRONT BUILDING? IS THIS THE REAR BUILDING? NO, THIS IS THE REAR BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THIS REAR BUILDING CAN GO MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE, THE DESIGN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, WOULD IT MAKE IT EASIER TO FOREGO THAT 1,549 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING? BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE A REALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENT WITH RESPECT TO THEIR, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT, UM, HOW DO YOU ENCROACH ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, RIGHT? THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S ALSO THAT, THAT E EVEN WITH RESPECT TO THE WAY THAT THAT BUILDING STEPS IN FRONT OF THE OFFSET, IT'S GONNA BE AN ONGOING ARGUMENT THAT POTENTIALLY WILL NOT GET ANYWHERE. 
          RIGHT? SO IF YOU WERE LEFT WITH THE THREE BUILDINGS, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT FULL NEW CONSTRUCTION COULD GO MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE WAY THAT YOU WANTED, WOULD, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MOVE CHAIR? I CAN ALSO REVISIT TO MY STORY. 
          MR. CHAIR, I THINK WE A POINT OF ORDER. 
          WE NEED A MOTION BEFORE WE GO INTO DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, UH, IT'S QUESTION WASN'T A DISCUSSION. 
          I WAS ASKING A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, BUT I RESPECT YOUR COMMENT. 
          UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, AND WE'LL COME BACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GRU, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? MOTION? YEAH. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IN LINE, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S COMMENTS AND I THINK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND MONICA, SO I'M GONNA DO THIS FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT. 
          IT'S AL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. 
          UH, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THREE AND IN DENIAL OF ITEM FOUR. 
          THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IS A STIPULATION THAT, UM, WE ONLY DO FROM FLORENCE ONE DRIVEWAY OPENING OF THE 10 FEET FOR EACH LOT. 
          OR LIKE YOU IN THE MID, LIKE FROM FLORENCE, JUST BE TWO DRIVERS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          PER LOT. 
          UH, NOT PER LOT, TOTAL ONE PER LOT OR, UH, TO ELIMINATE TWO OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT'S PROPOSED. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE, YEAH, I GUESS IT MAY. 
          WAS IT CLEAR? WAS IT CLEAR ENOUGH? COULD, UH, YOU CLARIFY, ARE YOU, UH, INCORPORATING ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL STIPULATION OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF DRIVES TO TWO OFF FLORENCE? SO ALL STIPULATIONS IN ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THREE? YES. 
          UH, INCLUDING ALSO THE WAYS OF DECREASING OVERALL MASSING. 
          WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND JOB? A SECOND. 
          SO, 
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UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK, I THINK, UM, AND, AND NOT ONLY HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS, AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION, IS THE PROPERTY UNLOCKED 14? I THINK IT IS THE FRONT AND DAWSON. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE FAMILY? YOU'VE PUT THE WIDTH OF A DRIVEWAY, YOU PUT THE WIDTH, THE FIVE FEET TO THE FENCE, BUT WHAT'S REALLY THE WIDTH OF THE HOME? IT, IT DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT, I DON'T THE HISTORIC DOG. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THE TWO HOMES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK. 
          I DON'T EVEN SEE A FEASIBILITY. 
          AND PART OF IT IS THE HISTORIC HOME IS ENCROACHING ON THAT LOT AND IT'S PROBABLY RESTRICTING WHAT YOU CAN DO. 
          I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD FOCUS ON A NICE PROPERTY IN THE BACK ON THAT LOT. 
          14, MAKE SOMETHING NICE THERE THAT COULD BE VISIBLE FROM DAWSON. 
          MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE THAT ONE DRIVEWAY FROM DAWSON GOING TO THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN ON THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE EXISTING, I WOULD STILL EXPLORE MAYBE YOU REMOVED A BALCONY, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE MASS AND YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE HEIGHT. 
          LIKE IT IS STILL, WE DID REDUCE THE, UH, THE, THE, THE HEIGHTS OF THE, OF THE ELEVATION DOOR 19. 
          BUT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT MASSING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          IT'S JUST THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION COMPARED TO WHAT'S EXISTING. 
          SO WE NEED TO FIND WAYS OF REDUCING THAT. 
          MAYBE IT, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S HOW WE SEE IT, RIGHT? IT WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOME. 
          KIND OF LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. 
          IT HAS TO BE LOWER, IT HAS TO BE SEEN AS LIKE IF IT WAS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU, IT'S ANOTHER LOT, WHATEVER ANOTHER PROPERTY, LOOK AT IT FROM AN ADDITION PERSPECTIVE AND THEN FOCUS ON FLORENCE, UM, MAKING IT, I MEAN A, I DON'T KNOW, BIGGER, A NICER PROJECT SO THAT IT'S VISIBLE FROM DAWSON, BUT IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOTHING ON THERE. 
          SHOULDN'T BE, THERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE HOME ON THE DAWSON SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. 
          I AGREE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I, THIS IS A, A CONSTANT PROBLEM IN, UM, THIS, UM, DISTRICT AND, UM, THIS CROWDING OF THESE LOTS IS, IS NOT, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITHIN, UM, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO I, UM, I BELIEVE ALSO THAT STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT? AND, UM, AS THE MOTION IS PRESENTED, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I, UM, I THINK KIND OF ECHOING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID AND, AND UNDERSCORING, I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SNO SAID DURING THE DESIGN REBUKE C UH, COMMITTEE, UH, MEETINGS, THAT THE INCONSISTENCY OF THIS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS THE HARD THING FOR, FOR ME TO GET BEHIND. 
          UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CERTAINLY UNUSUALLY SIZED LARGE LOTS WITHIN DIG THAT COULD SUSTAIN SOME INFILL, BUT MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHERE YOU CONTINUE TO RESPECT THE PRIMACY OF THE, THE ORIGINAL, UH, PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND THEN ADDING CASITAS AS INFILL, UH, AS SECONDARY STRUCTURES, YOU KNOW, PREFERABLY ONE STORY JUST TO KEEP THE KIND OF THE HIERARCHY AND THE MASSING AND THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THERE HISTORICALLY. 
          IT, THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE A MAX PACK AND IT COMES AT A GREAT IMPACT TO, UH, THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WITH THE LOSS OF THE PECO PECAN TREE. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD COME AT A, A GREAT IMPACT TO, UH, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT'S. 
          YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE BY YOUR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY, PRETTY RELEVANT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
           WITH RESPECT TO THE PICTURE THEY SHOW, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IS YOU, YOU TAKE A TEMPERATURE OF WHAT YOU THINK WILL PASS AND WHAT WON'T PASS, RIGHT? THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT? THE, UM, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TWO BUILDINGS ON FLORENCE. 
          UH, THEY SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL DESIGNED AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD ASK THE MAKER THE MOTION TO CONSIDER ENABLING THAT ORIGINAL VISION THAT YOU HAVE, UH, FOR, FOR MY PART COVERED AS BEST BECAUSE IT'LL MITIGATE THE FUTURE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU KNOW, ROOFS WILL LEAK SOONER OR LATER. 
          RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE PITCH ON THE OUTSIDE, THEN YOU HAVE THE FLAT ON THE INSIDE. 
          IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I WANNA, WE WILL ASK, UH, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION TO CONSIDER, UM, ALLOWING THAT IN HER MOTION. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE PIECE THAT'S ON LOT 14, WERE YOU GONNA SEPARATE 14 WITH TWO LOTS OR WAS IT GONNA STAY ONE LOT? IT'S GONNA BE TWO LOTS. 
          I ALREADY HAVE THE SEPARATION. 
          YOU ALREADY HAVE. 
          SO IT'S ALREADY PLATTED FOR TWO LOTS. 
          NO, IT'S NOT PLATTED. 
          I GOT A C O D, WHICH MEANS, 'CAUSE THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THAT LOT WAS TO BE TWO LOTS. 
          NOW, IF IT ENDS UP BEING WHERE, 
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WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE THE MAXIMUM OPPORTUNITY YOU'RE EVER GONNA GET MM-HMM. 
           IS TO HAVE THAT HOUSE AND THOSE TWO OTHER IN THE BACK, WILL YOU THEN PLAT 13 TO BE, YOU KNOW, 13 NORTH WITH A PARCEL 13 SOUTH OR WHICHEVER THE ORIENTATION IS, RIGHT. 
          TO DIVIDE IT IN THE MIDDLE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR, WELL, O ONLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ACCESSORY GARAGE, RIGHT. 
          TO ENHANCE THAT, THAT, UH, THAT HOUSE THAT'S STANDALONE NOW. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, FROM, FROM THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, I CAN'T, I, I, I MEAN, I JUST ADVISE RIGHT. 
          THAT IT SEEMS THAT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD, UM, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TWO AND THE, AND THEN THE RESTORATION AND IF YOU PLOT THAT SEPARATELY TO APPROACH IT IN THE FUTURE SEPARATELY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YOU MIGHT HAVE BETTER OPTIONS THAN YOU CAN GET BUILDING AS SOON AS YOU CAN. 
          SO, WITH THAT, MR. CHAR, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE, THE MAKER OF THE MOTION WITHOUT THERE BEING AN AMENDMENT, UNLESS I'M BREAKING ANY PROTOCOLS THAT SHE CONSIDERED. 
          YES, YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE MAIN MOTION. 
          AND THEN YOU MAKE, MAKE YOUR AMENDMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAS, UH, CERVANTES. 
          I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, AS THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE CURRENTLY I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. 
          I WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO AMEND IT AS WELL WHEN THE TIME COMES. 
          UM, SO I WILL HOLD OFF ON THAT COMMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I AM CURRENTLY IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE MAIN MOTION, UH, AND STILL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE TWO STORY, UH, FLORENCE STREET, UH, STRUCTURE. 
          UM, YES, IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT, IT'S STILL A LARGE STRUCTURE. 
          I KNOW YOU REDUCE THE HEIGHT BY A FOOT, UH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO GO EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS. 
          UM, BUT TYPICALLY IN, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHICH THIS COULD TECHNICALLY BE CONSIDERED, THEY'RE, UH, GENERALLY ONE STORY. 
          THERE'S A FEW TWO STORY, BUT THEY'RE NOT VERY LARGE. 
          UH, UH, FURTHER, UH, DOWN FLORENCE TOWARDS THE, UM, THE OTHER WAY, THERE WAS A RECENT, UH, ONE STORY STRUCTURE THAT FRONTS ONTO FLORENCE. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT ONE STORY STRUCTURES THAT, THAT FRONT ON FLORENCE RATHER THAN TWO STORY STRUCTURES. 
          SO, UM, NOW WE'LL HAVE AN AMENDMENT BY COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          UM, M MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD ASK STAFF TO, TO PULL A PICTURE UP OF THE PREVIOUS BALCONY DETAIL. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE MOTION DOES NOT INCLUDE THE APPROVAL OF THAT DESIGN. 
          SO I'M JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I THINK YOU'RE AMENDING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN THE MOTION. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE DENIAL. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T EVEN SAID WHAT MY MOTION IS. 
          SO LET'S HOLD, HOLD. 
          NO, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING TO PULL UP THE, THE IMAGE IS SO THAT YOU CAN, I, I WON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN TOO MUCH OF THE MOTION. 
          YOU CAN JUST SEE, SO WE COULD SEE THAT NOW. 
          GO TO THE OTHER IMAGE OF THE, OF THE ONE THAT IS IN THE MOTION. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT ON THE SCREEN, SO, OKAY. 
          THE MOTION RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          MY MOTION IS DENIAL OF A TWO STORY EDITION. 
          OH, WELL WHOLE EDITION. 
          THE WHOLE EDITION. 
          I, I'LL, UM, IT, IT MAY HELP IF I REFERENCE THE REQUEST ITEMS. I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          UH, EDWARD. 
          IT'S OKAY, EDWARD, BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE MOTION IS COMPLETELY ALIEN TO ANYTHING THAT I'M UH, HOPING TO ENABLE, BUT LET'S DO, PUT THE ITEMS ON THE SCREEN JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR. 
          SO THE MOTION IS FOR DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE AND FOUR IN APPROVAL OF TWO AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          UH, SORRY, I WAS GONNA TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS TO WORK. 
          SO, DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE AND FOUR AND APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          MR. CHAIR, TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, IS THE MOTION TO ENABLE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO-STORY NEW CONSTRUCTION ON FLORENCE AND REHABILITATION OF THE, OR ADAPTIVE REUSE OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT, OF THE, OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON 
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FLORENCE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO THE, THE, THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT IS A TWO STORY BUILDING ON FLORENCE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. 
          YES. 
          WELL, THERE ARE SOME STIPULATIONS TOO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE BUILDING THAT IS TWO STORY THAT HAS THE ROOF DECK OR HAD THE ROOF DECK? NO, THE ROOF DECK IS, WAS DRAWN AS THE ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE BUILDING TO THE LEFT IS, IS AS A TWO AND THIS MOTION IS TO ONLY ALLOW IT TO BE A ONE? CORRECT. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, DID YOU WISH TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT? YEAH, I DO. 
          UM, IN LIGHT OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS AND HOW SOME OF THESE PIECES ARE CHANGING, MOVING AROUND, UH, WE'VE HAD SOME, UM, GOOD SUGGESTIONS FROM, UM, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THIS AND LET'S SEE, AMEND ITEM NUMBER TWO FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND TO RETURN TO D R C. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE OPTION OF, I MEAN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BEGIN TO REWORK THIS, YOU MAY FIND THAT WHAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED FOR NUMBER TWO MAY NEED TO BE CHANGED AND TWEAKED. 
          YOU MAY WANT IT ORIENTED DIFFERENTLY AND TO, FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          AND IF WE GIVE YOU CONCEPTUAL AND WE INVITE YOU BACK TO A D R C, YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND AMENDED, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, I HAVE NO DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? UM, I, I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR WITH RESPECT TO THE BOTTOM BUILDINGS. 
          I THINK, I THINK WE WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THE BUILDING THAT'S ON DAWSON. 
          UH, BUT, UM, IT SEEMS THAT IF YOU COULD GO TO THE AERIAL STAFF, IT, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, FLORENCE DOES EXIST AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IDEA, ONE OF THE CALLERS CALLED IN ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASED DENSITY. 
          I KNOW THAT MAKES SOME NEIGHBORHOODS FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT, BUT THE TREND IN SAN ANTONIO IS THAT THESE INCREASED DENSITIES ARE GOING INTO THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY. 
          NOBODY'S SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE INCREASED DENSITIES GOING INTO THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS CITY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE TWO MOVEMENTS, YOU HAVE THAT NIMBY MOVEMENT AND THE YIMBY MOVEMENT. 
          SO EVEN WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF OF, OF, NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? OR NOT IN MY BACKYARD, THERE'S A YES IN MY BACKYARD. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT IS A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT SELL, YOU KNOW, TO, UM, UM, HIGHER PAYERS, THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACCEPT THEIR FAIR SHARE OF, UM, THE INCREASED DENSITIES THAT EVERYBODY'S SAYING THAT WE NEED MORE HOUSING, RIGHT? SO, UM, WITH, WITH THAT, I, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS WELL BALANCED. 
          I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THE DESIGN REFLECTS THEIR WISH OR IT BECOMES THESE KIND OF ODD SHAPES THAT WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER THE PLACE, BECAUSE SOMEHOW IT MEETS THE STANDARD AND WE APPROVE THOSE ODD LOOKING SHAPES BECAUSE THEY MEET THE STANDARD. 
          BUT YOU WOULD NEVER SIT AT A DRAFTING TABLE AND DRAFT IT THAT WAY. 
          SO I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IN THIS CASE IS, UM, KIND OF BUILDING UPON A BUILDING THAT EXISTS AND IT'S IN, AND, AND, AND THEN IT HAS A SYMPATHETIC BUILDING ALONG WITH IT. 
          AND, UM, I THINK IT'S COMPLETELY IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN, IN THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT EXISTS. 
          UM, POINT OF CHAIRMAN, I WOULD BE SUPPORTING THESE, THESE APPLICANTS WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, THE TWO BUILDINGS ON FLORENCE. 
          AND I WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTING THE, THE, THE, THE, THE NEIGHBOR WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, UM, THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING THAT I DON'T THINK HAS ANY SUPPORT WOULD RELATE TO THEIR, TO THEIR BUILDING. 
          I HOPE THIS COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER EMPOWERING THESE TWO YOUNG MEN TO GO AND BUILD THEIR BUILDINGS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, OR, UH, COMMENTING ON THE AMENDMENT? I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S UTTERLY SENSIBLE TO HELP REFINE, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED HERE BEFORE THEY GET A COMPLETE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          NO COMMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA, NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, NO COMMENTS. 
          I'LL SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT AMENDMENT. 
          AND I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT. 
          UM, I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          SAB AYE. 
          NAY. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION 
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PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED. 
          WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          AYE. 
          SAV. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ PASS. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          ZER? YES. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          I, I'M GONNA NEED TO GET A SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION. 
          IT, THE MOTION ENABLES THE, THE BUILDING ON THE, ON THE, ON FLORENCE. 
          IT ENABLES THE BUILDING ON THE, ON THE RIGHT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          SO NONE OF IT, NONE OF IT HAD CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND COME BACK TO A D R C ON THE WHOLE PROJECT. 
          NO, ON THAT TWO STORY ON FLORENCE. 
          BUT, BUT AREN'T THERE TWO, TWO STORIES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON FLORENCE, BUT ONE OF THEM IS PROPOSED NOT, NOT TO BE ENABLED, BUT THE ONE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT IS ENABLED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND TO COME BACK TO D R C, UH, THEN NAYYY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NOW, AGENDA ITEM 13, COMMISSIONERS. 
          WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA MOVE PAST ITEM 13. 
          UM, WE, WE HEARD VERBALLY FROM THE APPLICANT THIS ITEM THAT THEY WISH TO POSTPONE. 
          THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE PRESENT, UM, ON THE WEBEX. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM 14. 
          AGENDA ITEM 14. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 4 9 9 2004. 
          MONTEREY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, COVER THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH DECK WITH THE NEW WOOD PORCH DECK. 
          TWO, MODIFY THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR OPENING TO BE A WINDOW OPENING. 
          THREE, REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS. 
          FOUR. 
          REPLACE EXISTING DOORS WITH NEW DOORS. 
          FIVE. 
          INSTALL A GRAVEL WALKWAY FROM THE SIDE DOOR TO THE PROPOSED SIDE YARD PARKING AND SIX, INSTALL ONSITE PARKING BEHIND THE STRUCTURE WITH THE SIDE WITHIN THE SIDE YARD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WOOD PORCH DECK WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BE SUBMITTED THAT NOTE DECKING HEIGHTS AND SPECIFIC MATERIALS. 
          THESE DOCUMENTS SHOULD INCLUDE DIMENSION FLOOR PLANS AND ELEVATIONS. 
          TWO, THAT ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING SHOULD BE INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR, EXCUSE ME, PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE. 
          THREE. 
          THAT PORCH SKIRTING MATCHED THE SIDING OF THE HOUSE. 
          FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER REMOVING THE NON-ORIGINAL CONCRETE PORCH RATHER THAN SIMPLY CONSTRUCTING A WOOD PORCH ON TOP. 
          AND FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT SPECIFICATIONS FOR PORCH STEPS TO INCLUDE MATERIALS AND DIMENSIONS. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL STREET FACING FRONT DOOR. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS OPENING BE PRESERVED AND THAT ALL ELEMENTS INCLUDING THE TRANSOM AND SIDE LIGHTS BE PRESERVED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT ALL WOOD WINDOWS ARE REPAIRED. 
          TWO, THAT ALL REPLACEMENT WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING G AND IN THE APPLICABLE SAT, EXCUSE ME, APPLICABLE CITATIONS, STAFF URGES THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER RESTORING ALL WINDOW OPENINGS TO THE ORIGINAL PROFILE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR DOOR REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL REPLACEMENT DOORS BE WOOD AND FEATURE FOLK VICTORIAN PROFILES AND DETAILING ANY EXISTING WOOD DOORS SHOULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF A SIDE YARD WALKWAY BASED ON FINDING EYE WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE WALKWAY, NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET AND WIDTH. 
          AND NUMBER SIX, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF SITE PARKING BASED ON FINDING J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT ALL ONE, THAT ALL PARKING BE LOCATED AT OR BEHIND THE SIDE FACING GABLE ROOF THAT FACES SOUTH SEDS TWO, THAT ALL PARKING FEATURE PERVIOUS PAVING, AND THREE, THAT ALL PARKING BE SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          PARKING SHOULD BE SCREENED BY FENCING OR LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS. 
          THESE ELEMENTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          THE APPLICANT, UH, MS. NATALIA, UH, QUESADA IS, UH, JOINING US VIRTUALLY. 
          AND NATALIA, I MEET YOU A PANELIST. 
          YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF. 
          IF YOU CAN HEAR US, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. 
          NATALIA, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE? 
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SHE MAY NOT BE AT HER COMPUTER, UM, BUT SHE HAS JOINED THE, THE MEETING. 
          WE WILL TRY CALLING HER AND SEE IF SHE'S AVAILABLE. 
          IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE, THE NEXT CASE AND, AND COME BACK TO WHEN SHE'S ON BOARD. 
          MR. CHAIR, PERHAPS MAYBE I FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE, UH, YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE WE TRY TO GET THE APPLICANT ON BOARD. 
          I'D LIKE US LIKE TO CALL US BACK INTO ORDER. 
          UM, EDWARD, DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM 14? I DON'T CARE. 
          UH, WE DO. 
          UH, MS. CASADA, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UNMUTE NOW. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY READ THE REQUEST AND THE RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD, UH, MS. CASADA, THOSE WERE THE SAME COMMENTS THAT I, UH, SENT TO YOU LAST WEEK IN REGARDS TO, UM, THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THOSE, MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FRONT PORCH. 
          BUT, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, UM, THOSE SIX ITEMS AND STAFF'S COMMENTS, UH, WHICH ONE YOU ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, THE COMMISSION CAN THEN DISCUSS. 
          SURE. 
          AND, AND I, I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE, MS. ADA. 
          NICE TO MEET YOU. 
          THIS IS, UH, ALEX HERE. 
          UH, YEAH, WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK THROUGH THE ITEMS AND JUST, UH, UH, SOME INPUT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PERFECT. 
          WELL, UM, ITEM NUMBER ONE, COVER THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH DECK WITH THE NEW WOOD PORCH DECK. 
          UM, STAFF'S COMMENTS WERE, UM, THAT YOU SUBMIT FULL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, UH, INSTALL ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING, UH, INSTALL PORCH SKIRTING TO MATCH THE SIDING OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU CONSIDER REMOVING THE CONCRETE PORCH AND NOT JUST SIMPLY COVERING ON TOP AND THAT YOU SUBMIT PORCH, UM, SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PORCH STEPS. 
          UH, SO MATERIALS, DIMENSIONS IN A DRAWING. 
          YEAH, WE, THE, THE ONE SECTION THAT I LIKE. 
          , SIR, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. 
          IF YOU COULD JUST, UM, SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONE AND SLOWER PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? IT'S BETTER, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, SO THE ONE THING THAT I, I WAS, AND YOU MENTIONED TO CONSIDER, UH, SO WITH THE, THE, THE CONCRETE, UH, COMPONENT THERE, UH, WE DEFINITELY, WE WOULD LIKE TO, FOR THAT TO REMAIN JUST FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, OUR ORIGINAL PLANS FOR BUILD SOME ADDITIONAL UNITS WERE A BIG CONSTRAINT, UH, ON COST. 
          HOWEVER, UH, THE DECKING THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE LOOK AND FEEL WILL REMAIN. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA JUST LOOK LIKE A CONCRETE SLAB OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REMAINING THERE. 
          YEAH, WE, WE JUST WANNA LEAVE IT THERE. 
          LEAVE IT THERE. 
          THAT WAY WE CAN USE LIKE A COVER IT WITH THE WOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, IT, IT, IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE MONEY, NO, IT'S JUST BEEN, AGAIN, FROM ORIGINAL PLANS, WE'RE ADJUSTING TO JUST THE ONE LOT AND THE ONE PROPERTY VERSUS WHAT WE HAD PLANNED. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT WILL LOOK ALIGNED WITH THE, WITH THE HOME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND WE COULD FOLLOW THE DECK AND INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU SHARED OF THE, THE DOCUMENT THERE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, WAS TO MODIFY THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORT OR FRONT DOOR OPENING TO BE A WINDOW OPENING. 
          UH, WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IS THAT YOU MAINTAIN THE ORIGINAL DOOR OPENING AS A DOOR OPENING, UM, AND THAT THE SIDELIGHTS AND THE TRANSOM, UH, OPENINGS BE MAINTAINED AS WELL. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, VIA EMAIL IT WAS COMMUNICATED THAT, UH, THE DOOR DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE FUNCTIONAL, BUT THAT THE OPENING SHOULD REMAIN AND THAT IT SHOULD APPEAR FROM THE EXTERIOR AS THE DOOR. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FOR THAT? WELL, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CANNOT JUST LIKE, PUT A WINDOW IN THE DOOR, UH, BECAUSE ANYWAY, WE TRYING TO DO A FOURPLEX INSIDE OF THAT BIG HOUSE. 
          SO IF WE LEFT LIKE A, A DOOR, IT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD FOR INSIDE. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NO, NO, NO, NO, NO FLEXIBILITY ON THAT ONE TO MAKE IT A FUNCTIONAL DOOR. 
          UH, SORRY, A FUNCTIONAL WINDOW. 
          OH WAIT, SORRY. 
          UH, THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, BUT THE, BUT COMMISSIONERS CAN COMMENT 
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ON THAT. 
          SO COMMISSIONERS, IF WE WANT TO NOTE THAT WE NEED TO COME BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT YOU REPAIR ALL THE WOOD WINDOWS AND THAT THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR STANDARDS. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS TO THAT? NO, NO, SIR. 
          WE AGREE WITH THAT ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, WAS THE APPROVAL OF DOOR REPLACEMENT, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE DOORS MATCHED THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE. 
          UH, YOU MAY REMEMBER THE PHOTO THAT I SENT YOU, UM, SIMILAR TO THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN ANY WOOD DOORS THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU FIND ON SITE SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND RETAINED. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, WE DON'T HAVE THE HOUSE EVEN HAVE, I MEAN, THE, THE DOORS THAT THE HOUSE HAS IS DOOR, THAT MIDDLE. 
          OH, THEY HAVE LIKE AT THE GATE, THAT IS A MIDDLE GATE, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE GOOD. 
          ITEM NUMBER FIVE WAS THAT, UH, APPROVAL TO INSTALL THE WALKWAY THAT LEADS FROM THE SIDE TO THE PARKING AREA WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT, IT'D BE NO WIDER THAN FOUR FEET. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          PERFECT. 
          ITEM NUMBER SIX WAS APPROVAL FOR THE PARKING, UM, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT'D BE LOCATED BEHIND THE SIDE, UH, THE SIDE GABLE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THAT YOU SCREEN IT WITH LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS OR FENCING AND THAT IT BE GRAVEL. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE PROPOSING TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS ANYWAYS, BUT JUST WANT TO CONFIRM. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WE OKAY WITH THAT ONE? PERFECT. 
          UH, SO, UH, I BELIEVE THAT LEAVES US WITH THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, PRIMARY DOOR OPENING ITEM NUMBER TWO, COMMISSIONERS, UNLESS YOU WANT TO COMMENT OR DISCUSS THE, UH, CONCRETE PORCH BEING MAINTAINED WITH THE WOOD PORCH BEING CONSTRUCTED ON TOP. 
          SO I BELIEVE JUST MAYBE THAT ONE ITEM OR POSSIBLY THOSE TWO ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER COFFMAN. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF 'CAUSE I WANNA UNDERSTAND THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE AND THEY HAD A A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DO SOME FOUNDATION WORK. 
          WAS THAT SPECIFYING THE REMOVAL OF THAT CONCRETE AND, AND NOW THEY'RE WANTING TO REVERSE THAT AND SAY, NO, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE CONCRETE IN PLACE AND, AND BUILD OVER, DO A BUILD OVER? OR HOW DID THEY DEVIATE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE, UM, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE TO MAKE IT A VIOLATION CASE? SO WE PERFORMED A SITE VISIT PRIOR TO, UH, ANY APPROVALS BEING ISSUED. 
          UH, THE FOUNDATION WORK HAD ALREADY BEEN STARTED. 
          PIERS HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED AND THE ROOF HAD ALREADY BEEN REPLACED. 
          UM, SO WE ISSUED, WE PERFORMED A SITE VISIT, ENSURED THAT THEY WERE PERFORMING THE FOUNDATION WORK CONSISTENTLY WITH THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS THE ROOF REPLACEMENT AND ISSUED AN ADMINISTRATIVE C O A FOR THAT WORK. 
          THE FOUNDATION REPAIR WORK WAS NOT NECESSARILY, WELL, IT WAS TIED TO THE REMOVAL OF THE CONCRETE PORCH, BUT THE APPLICANT HASN'T DEVIATED ONE FROM ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          WE SEPARATED THE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS SO THAT THEY COULD, UH, GET IN ORDER WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FOR SOME ITEMS, AND THEN THE ITEMS THAT WE KNEW WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE COMMISSION SET THOSE FOR TODAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, SIR. 
          OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? NO, I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION OR A, OR A COMMENT TO THE, UH, TO THE DEVELOPER, TO THE OWNER, UM, THAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE WINDOW FRAMES AND THE DOORS BE THE SAME. 
          THIS IS A GRACIOUS HOME. 
          I'VE, I LIVE JUST FOUR BLOCKS DOWN UP THE STREET AND I'VE SEEN THE HOUSE GO DOWN IN QUALITY. 
          UM, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CHANGING. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN AT LEAST, THERE'S 20 HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN RESTORED AND THEY'VE RESTORED THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, UH, HEIGHTS AND, UH, IN SOME CASES, IN MANY CASES, UH, WINDOWS ALL THE WAY TO THE FLOOR OF THE PORCH. 
          AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THE HOUSE KEEP ITS INTEGRITY, ITS ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, AND BE PART OF BETTERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN THE TWO STREETS, BETWEEN MONTEREY AND, AND, UM, SAUNDERS. 
          THERE'S AT LEAST 20 HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN RESTORED, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE AND NOT TO BE, NOT TO DOWNGRADE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YES. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO DISCUSSION, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION, YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          AND ALSO BASED ON COMMISSIONER MASA'S COMMENT, UH, I THINK STAFF'S GOT IT RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, UH, I GUESS IT'S A MOTION TO RECOMMEND I EARNED NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, WHICH IS THE DOOR, UH, APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 
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FIVE AND SIX WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION. 
          ANY ELABORATION? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK ACTUALLY, UH, THE APPLICANT SEEMS IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS, BUT ITEM TWO, AND, AND I DO AGREE THAT STAFF HAS IT RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE SEEN THAT MANY PROPERTIES. 
          SO TO THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANT OF PRESERVING THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS, ORIGINAL OPENINGS, THERE HAS BEEN OTHER APPLICANTS THAT HAVE FOUND A WAY OF, OF MAKING IT WORK. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO A, YOU KNOW, TWO DIVIDED DOOR, WHATEVER, YOU CAN BE CREATIVE, BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT, UH, ITEM, IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE HOME THAT SHOULD STAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          UM, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UM, THE MOTION AS IT STANDS, HOW WE IN SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTION AS IT STANDS, UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSCORE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE DEMOLITION OF THE CONCRETE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT ISN'T A COST, BUT UNLESS THAT IS DETAILED PROPERLY, UM, A LOT OF THESE LATER CONCRETE ADDITIONS OR PORCHES OR STOOPS WERE ADDED AFTER THE ORIGINAL ROTTED OUT. 
          AND, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. 
          SOMEONE WANTED SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT, BUT FREQUENTLY THEY WEREN'T DETAILED IN A WAY THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. 
          AND THEY CAPTURE MOISTURE, UH, AGAINST WOOD ELEMENTS, COMPONENT COMPONENTS, AND FURTHER, UH, ACCELERATE DETERIORATION. 
          SO IF YOU'RE GONNA OVERLAY THAT WITH WOOD, I HOPE THAT THERE'LL BE SOME FLASHING CONSIDERATIONS, SOME DETAIL, UH, CONSIDERATION INTO HOW THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP WITH A SITUATION THAT WILL FURTHER DETERIORATE THE BUILDING IN THE WAY THAT YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA? UM, I'M GENERALLY IN SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION. 
          I'LL AGREE WITH THE CONCRETE CAVEAT, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO WHERE THE STAIRS CONNECT. 
          AND HOW DOES ALL THAT PLAY OUT? BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU COULD, YOU'RE SPENDING A LOT MORE TIME AND EFFORT, UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FOR APPLICANT TO CONSIDER. 
          BUT, UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          I HAVE NO COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? NO COMMENT. 
          AND I'M IN ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE, THE MOTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SENO? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15. 
          AGENDA ITEM 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 86 2 0 9 WEST POPULAR. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION AND REUSE THE MATERIALS TO ENCLOSE THE TWO STORY SIDE PORCH STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ENCLOSING THE FRONT PORCH AND CONSTRUCTING A FRONT FACADE EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C. 
          IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE FRONT PORCH ENCLOSURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE EXISTING SIDING AND WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND REUSED IN THE PORCH ENCLOSURE AND THE EXISTING DOORS AND TRANSOM WINDOW ARE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE FOR FUTURE USE BASED ON FINDING C AND TWO, THAT ANY NEW WINDOWS INSTALLED ARE FULLY WOOD TO MATCH EXISTING AND MEET STAFF STANDARDS. 
          UH, WINDOWS STIPULATIONS. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS AND UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING THE PLACEMENT OF ALL PROPOSED WINDOWS ON THE ENCLOSED PORCH TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, JASON SEBE AND, UH, THE APPLICANT, JAVIER GONZALEZ ARE WITH US IN PERSON. 
          GOOD EVENING, JAVIER GONZALEZ, UH, DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND PRINCIPAL OF G R G ARCHITECTURE ONE 18 BROADWAY. 
          UH, DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN, RIGHT, GUYS? UH, I THINK I STILL HAVE HOOF MARKS ON MY BACK FROM THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, SO PLEASE BE GENTLE. 
          UM, NOW WE, WE DID HEAR, UH, YOUR COMMENTS THE LAST TIME, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR ALL THE, THE COMMENTS WERE VERY, VERY USEFUL, VERY HELPFUL AND INSTRUCTIVE, AND, AND IN SOME WAYS HELPED GUIDE, UH, UH, OUR RE-REQUEST, IF YOU WILL. 
          UH, AND THAT BEING SAID, UH, JUST WANT TO KINDA RUN THROUGH THE THOUGHTS FROM A HISTORIC, UH, APPROPRIATENESS STANDPOINT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS 
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GRAY AREA, SO TO SPEAK. 
          IT'S SO WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC PROCESS. 
          IF IT WERE BLACK AND WHITE, UH, YOU KNOW, COREY, UH, OR RACHEL I SHOULD SAY, WOULD JUST, UH, SAY, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE, NOT APPROPRIATE IN A PLAN ROOM BACK THERE. 
          BUT WE HAVE THIS PROCESS AND WE'D LIKE TO APPEAL TO YOUR GREATER SENSE FOR THE WHOLE PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE AFTER HERE. 
          UH, IT IS A SIDE PORCH, NOT A FRONT PORCH. 
          AND I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME CULPABILITY. 
          THE, THE LAST, UH, DIAGRAMS THAT, THAT WE DID, UH, FROM A, UH, YOU KNOW, THREE D STANDPOINT WERE, WERE WEREN'T GREAT. 
          UH, JASON HERE, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, AND, UH, WELL, HE'LL TELL HIS STORY IN A MINUTE. 
          IT'S VERY QUITE COMPELLING. 
          UH, HE DID HIS OWN AND THEY LOOKED REALLY GOOD. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE THAT, THAT'S JASON'S WORK. 
          UH, AND WE SAY PROPOSED THERE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S HARD TO TELL THAT, UH, THERE'S A PHOTOSHOP JOB DONE WHERE WE INFILL THE SIDE OF THE PORCH. 
          SO, WITH THAT, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THIS ON. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE JASON UP HERE TO GIVE YOU A QUICK PRESENTATION AND TELL HIS STORY. 
          IT'S REALLY, UH, QUITE COMPELLING AS I SAY. 
          JASON, THANK YOU. 
          NOW, IF I WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD, HOW DO I DO THAT? JUST TELL HER, HEY, SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU TAP THE ARROW KEY ON THE KEYBOARD. 
          YEP. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          OH, LOOK AT THAT. 
          THAT'S MAGIC . 
          ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS JASON SBE AND I'M THE FOUNDER OF SAGE MUSIC. 
          I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR SEEING AND HEARING ME HERE TODAY. 
          UH, FOUR THINGS I'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS, ONE, CLEAR UP. 
          ANY PRIOR CONFUSION FROM OUR PRIOR APPLICATION, PRESENT OUR UPDATED PLANS, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AT SAGE MUSIC AND WHY I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO APPROVE THIS PLAN. 
          I THINK OUR INITIAL MISTAKE WAS OUR RENDERING SHOWED WHERE THE PORCH ENCLOSURE WOULD BE, BUT NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. 
          AND AS THEY SAY, A PICTURE'S WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS. 
          AND I THINK THERE WAS QUITE A STRONG REACTION TO THAT ORIGINAL RENDERING. 
          SO WE'VE UPDATED THE RENDERING AND THIS IS OUR PROPOSED, UH, SIDE PORCH ENCLOSURE. 
          SO WE'VE TAKEN THIS AROUND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'VE TAKEN IT TO, UH, THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND NOW IT'LL STOP WORKING. 
          OH, . 
          UH, SO I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION. 
          UH, THIS IS FROM AN EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. 
          I AGREE THAT THE FINAL RENDERING DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN MY EYES, AND I PERSONALLY SEE NO REASON NOT TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT. 
          UH, WE'VE REVISED THE DESIGN, UH, BASICALLY, UH, IT'S HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE AND CONTEXTUAL. 
          UH, I BELIEVE, UH, BECAUSE I SAW THE DECONSTRUCTION SALVAGE PROGRAM HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, UH, INSTEAD OF USING SIMILAR MATERIALS, WE'RE GONNA BE USING THE EXISTING MATERIALS TO BASICALLY JUST MOVE THEM OUT. 
          IF WE CAN MOVE THEM OUT, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT THEM BACK, WHICH MAKES THIS COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE. 
          UH, WHO WE ARE AT SAGE MUSIC. 
          UH, WE STARTED IN 2007. 
          UH, WE MOVED OUR HEADQUARTERS FROM NEW YORK CITY TO SAN ANTONIO IN 2020. 
          DURING THE LOCKDOWN, WE WERE LOOKING FOR A MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND, UH, IT ALSO FEELS GOOD TO BE BACK HOME IN TEXAS AFTER SO MANY YEARS AWAY. 
          UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY STORY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE STORY OF THE SCHOOL. 
          I WAS A MUSICIAN. 
          UH, I FOUGHT IN THE IRAQ WAR IN 2003 AS A MARINE CORPS SCOUT SNIPER. 
          DURING THAT WAR, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO STUDY THE MUSIC WITH THE LOCALS, BUT I ALSO SUFFERED A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY. 
          UH, AS A RESULT, I HAD TO RELEARN HOW TO DO EVERYTHING, INCLUDING MUSIC. 
          I HAD TO GO TO SPEECH THERAPY, OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY. 
          I HAD TO RELEARN HOW TO WALK. 
          AND THROUGH MY RECOVERY, I THINK FORTUNATELY I BECAME REALLY FASCINATED AND PASSIONATE ABOUT EDUCATION. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY HOW THE SCHOOL WAS BORN. 
          I'VE ALSO DEVELOPED AN EXPERTISE IN HUMAN LEARNING SINCE THAT TIME. 
          SO I BELIEVE WE OFFER A BETTER EDUCATION, RIGHT? OUR PROGRAMS ARE BASED ON THE SCIENCE AND PSYCHOLOGY OF LEARNING. 
          WE DO A LOT OF TEACHER TRAINING. 
          UH, WE'RE ALSO BUILDING EDUCATIONAL TECHNOLOGY, AND THAT'S LED TO A LOT OF SUCCESSES. 
          AND THOSE SUCCESSES HAVE ALLOWED US TO INVEST INTO OUR TEACHERS, INTO OUR STAFF. 
          IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, IN THE EDUCATION INDUSTRY, MOST OF THE TIME TEACHERS ARE 10 99 CONTRACTORS. 
          UH, WE PROVIDE THEM WITH BENEFITS, RETIREMENT PLANS, MEDICAL THINGS THAT WOULD NEVER GET OTHERWISE. 
          UH, WE PAY THE HIGHEST WAGES IN SAN ANTONIO AND WE GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADVANCEMENT. 
          AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF OUR STUDENTS, I'VE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF MY EMPLOYEES. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME INVESTING IN THEM. 
          AS A RESULT, THEY'RE ABLE TO INVEST IN OUR STUDENTS. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT. 
          WE'VE GOT STUDENTS FOUR TO 87 YEARS OLD, THEY'RE HOBBYISTS TO PROFESSIONALS. 
          WE'VE GOT A HUNDRED PERCENT PASS READ ON AUDITIONS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT ABSOLUTE WINNER, UH, BEGINNERS, AND WE ALSO HAVE EMMY AWARD WINNERS AND SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE CAST MEMBERS AMONG OUR STUDENTS, RIGHT? SO WE DO EDUCATION AND WE DO IT REALLY, REALLY WELL. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA BRING TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY NO MATTER WHERE WE'VE BEEN, UH, ARTS EDUCATION, LOTS OF PUBLIC CONCERTS AND TEACHER TRAINING. 
          I'VE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION IN NEW YORK CITY AND IN NEW ORLEANS TO TRAIN THEIR STAFF. 
          AND, UH, THE LAST PART OF MY PRESENTATION, I WANNA TALK ABOUT WHY I THINK YOU SHOULD APPROVE. 
          WE'RE ASKING FOR A VERY SMALL CHANGE. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE A 
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BIG IMPACT. 
          AND SO LET ME SHOW YOU WHY. 
          UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JOBS. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVERWHELMING COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARTS EDUCATION. 
          I WANNA TALK ABOUT BEING A LANDMARK, AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY. 
          THE UPSTAIRS ENCLOSURE, ALRIGHT? GIVES US ONE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM. 
          THAT ONE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM PROVIDES SPACE FOR 100 TO 140 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS JOBS. 
          THOSE STUDENTS WILL PROVIDE TEACHING JOBS FOR TWO TO THREE ADDITIONAL TEACHERS. 
          AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE JOBS WITH BENEFITS IN RETIREMENT THAT MUSICIANS WOULD NOT OTHERWISE HAVE. 
          THE DOWNSTAIRS ENCLOSURE ALLOWS US TO HAVE A PERFORMANCE SPACE. 
          THIS GIVES OUR STUDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PERFORM AND SHOW OFF. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT A LIGHT, YOU GOTTA LET IT SHINE. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT SPACE SO OUR STUDENTS CAN ALSO PERFORM. 
          THAT ALSO PROVIDES ANOTHER EVENTS JOB OVER THE LONG, LONG-TERM. 
          AND WHAT I WANNA MAKE CLEAR IS THAT DOWNSTAIRS ENCLOSURE IS ACTUALLY NECESSARY FOR THE PERFORMANCE SPACE TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? WITHOUT THAT ENCLOSURE, ALRIGHT? THERE'S NO EVENTS, THERE'S NO PERFORMANCE SPACE, THERE'S NO COMMUNITY SPACE. 
          BOTH OF THOSE ENCLOSURES TOGETHER BRING A NEW ADMINISTRATIVE JOB, RIGHT? WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH REVENUES TO SUPPORT ANOTHER JOB THERE. 
          THIS IS A TOTAL OF FOUR TO FIVE JOBS ON THE LINE TODAY. 
          PART OF OUR PLAN IS ABOUT SECURITY, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT ACCESS CONTROL ISSUES, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT CHILDREN AT THE SCHOOL AND WE WANTED TO REMOVE THAT SECONDARY DOOR TO LIMIT ACCESS. 
          SINCE WE'VE BEEN IN THIS BUILDING OVER A FEW MONTHS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL BREAK-INS. 
          WE'VE HAD SQUATTERS THREE TIMES, RIGHT? I, I DON'T THINK YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT MY FALSE ALARM FEES ARE WHEN PEOPLE COME AT NIGHT AND JIG THE DOOR, TRY TO GET ON , RIGHT? YOU LAUGH, THE ALARMS GO OFF, THE POLICE SHOW UP, THE PERPETRATOR'S GONE AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER $200 FEE, RIGHT? SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S GETTING BETTER, BUT THERE'S STILL A SECURITY ISSUE IN THE AREA. 
          LANDMARKS, WE ACTUALLY WANT TO BE A LANDMARK. 
          I HAD NO INTEREST IN BEING A MUSIC SCHOOL IN A STRIP MALL, YOU KNOW, CHASING THE MONEY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, RIGHT? AND I'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE OTHER LANDMARKS IN THE AREA. 
          THERE ARE RESIDENCES, THERE ARE LAW FIRMS, AND THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, RIGHT? THERE'S A FEW EXCEPTIONS OF THE PEARL AND I THINK ON ST. 
          MARY STREET, BUT I THINK ISN'T THAT THE PURPOSE OF A LANDMARK BUILDING TO BE OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD. 
          SO THE DOWNSTAIRS PORTION CLOSURE MAKES THE EVENT SPACE POSSIBLE. 
          IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO HOST COMMUNITY EVENTS AND OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GONNA BE ANOTHER DRIVE BY LANDMARK REVENUE, RIGHT? EDUCATION RUNS ON TWO TO 3% MARGINS. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY LONG-TERM VIABLE. 
          SO WITH YOUR APPROVAL, UH, WE GET AN ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM, WE GET THE EVENT SPACE, AND THAT GIVES US ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO DO QUITE A FEW IMPORTANT THINGS. 
          I NEED THE REVENUES TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THIS HISTORIC BUILDING, RIGHT? IT'S GOT SOME ISSUES NOW. 
          WE'RE PUTTING IN HEADERS, WE'RE DOING STRUCTURAL CONCRETE, TRYING TO ACTUALLY KEEP THIS BUILDING ALIVE. 
          SO I NEED THE REVENUES TO DO THAT. 
          I NEED THE REVENUES TO GROW THE SCHOOL, TO CREATE THE JOBS, TO PROVIDE MORE STUDENT RESOURCES AND ALSO BUILD A SCHOLARSHIP FUND, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA CAN'T AFFORD AND I CAN'T SKIM OFF THE TOP ON EDUCATION TO HELP THEM OUT. 
          SO I NEED SOME OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE, LIKE THE EVENTS TO, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE IN NEED. 
          WE'VE GOT OVERWHELMING COMMUNITY SUPPORT. 
          I THINK AS YOU'LL SEE, UH, WE TOOK THE EXISTING IMAGE, WHICH YOU SEE ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED ON THE RIGHT. 
          WE'VE TAKEN IT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS AND TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. 
          AND HERE'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. 
          EVERYONE, WE'VE BROUGHT THIS TO APPROVES. 
          THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE EXCEPTION, AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. 
          BUT EVERYONE ELSE HAS APPROVED. 
          I'VE TALKED TO THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, UH, BOARD. 
          EVERYONE ON THAT BOARD APPROVES. 
          I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UM, SORRY, SEVERAL STAFFERS OF COUNCIL MEMBER BRAVO. 
          UH, EACH OF THEM HAS APPROVED. 
          NOW, NONE OF THEM WANTED TO COME OUT PUBLICLY BECAUSE THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND AND SUCH, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH MANY OF THEM AND THEY ALL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. 
          OUR NEIGHBORS AT G D C MARKETING AND AVIATION, THEY OWN THE OTHER TWO LANDMARKS ON THE BLOCK. 
          UH, THEY APPROVE OF OUR PROJECT, UH, INSTITUTIONAL SPORT. 
          UH, FOX TECH HIGH SCHOOL, RIGHT DOWN THE WAY. 
          THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID, OUR STUDENTS ARE DYING FOR THIS. 
          ALAMO MUSIC HAS NOWHERE TO SEND STUDENTS. 
          WE'VE TALKED TO GREATER SAN ANTONIO RESIDENTS FROM WHERE OUR, UH, THE AREA FROM WHERE OUR STUDENTS COME. 
          WE'VE TALKED TO NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS AND WE'VE TALKED TO NEIGHBORHOOD VISITORS. 
          I'VE SENT MY STAFF AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH CLIPBOARDS. 
          WE SHOWED THEM THE PROJECT, ASKED 'EM WHAT THEY THOUGHT, AND THEY'RE HERE TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE, UH, ABOUT WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY. 
          AND GENERALLY THOUGH, THEY GOT FOUR REACTIONS WHEN THEY SAW THE IMAGES. 
          THE FIRST ONE WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? UH, THE SECOND ONE WAS, WELL, WHY WOULDN'T YOU APPROVE THAT? THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. 
          THIRD IS, WELL, I ONLY WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          CAN I STILL APPROVE IT OR SUPPORT IT? AND LASTLY, OH, I'LL ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT. 
          AND THIS MADE ME LAUGH, BUT I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GIVING YOU MY ADDRESS. 
          I DON'T TRUST THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CHANGE.ORG. 
          WE GOT 48 SIGNATURES. 
          AND WHEN WE WERE WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE GOT 54 NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS TO SIGN. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE ONE OPPOSITION LETTER LAST TIME AROUND, UM, THAT PERSON REPRESENTED THAT WE HAD NOT BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 
          I HAVE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH 
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HER GOING BACK TO MAY, RIGHT, SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE THE OPPOSITION. 
          UH, I'VE MADE SEVERAL ATTEMPTS TO GET IN CONTACT WITH HER SINCE AUGUST, AND SHE'S LARGELY BEEN EVASIVE. 
          SO I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET TO ADDRESS HER CONCERNS. 
          SHE HAD OFFERED TO MEET WITH ME IN NO NOVEMBER NEAR THE END, WHICH I THINK IS A LITTLE, UH, LATE AT THIS POINT. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT WE NEED IS WE NEED THE SIDE PARTS, ENCLOSURES FOR CLASSROOM SPACE UPSTAIRS FOR EVENT SPACE DOWNSTAIRS. 
          AND I'M WILLING TO NEGOTIATE IN THE DESIGN DETAILS, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. 
          AND YOU MAY HAVE SOME INPUT. 
          SO IF YOU WANT US TO TAKE THAT WINDOW ON THE SIDE AND THAT ENCLOSURE, MOVE IT BACK SO YOU HAVE ARTICULATION. 
          IF YOU WANT US TO FIND A WAY TO PRESERVE THE DOOR OF THE TRANSOM, I'M OPEN TO THOSE IDEAS. 
          UH, BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AGAIN, IS THAT CLASSROOM SPACE UPSTAIRS AND THE EVENT SPACE. 
          SO THE CHOICE TO MAKE TODAY, I FEEL, IS EITHER WE'RE GONNA START WITH A LANDMARK WITH A LARGE FRONT PORCH AND A SIDE PORCH THAT, UH, ON A STREET THAT NO ONE DRIVES DOWN, THAT NO ONE REALLY CARESS ABOUT. 
          OR WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A LANDMARK BUILDING THAT STILL HAS A LARGE FRONT PORCH. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMMUNITY, MORE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, FOUR TO FIVE NEW ARTS JOBS IN THE AREAS, A LANDMARK BUILDING THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, WILL HAVE THE RESOURCES WE NEED TO ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THAT BUILDING. 
          AND WE'RE ASKED, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD A VIABLE MUSIC AND ARTS EDUCATION ORGANIZATION IN AN AREA THAT IS LARGELY UNDERSERVED. 
          SO, UH, MYSELF, ON BEHALF OF SAGE MUSIC AND THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING YOUR SUPPORT TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GET INTO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          WE'LL PLAY THOSE NOW. 
          MY NAME IS DARREN HERNANDEZ AND I LIVE AT 59 23 VIVA MAX DRIVE. 
          I'M CALLING TO SUPPORT MY MUSIC SCHOOL, SAGE MUSIC AND THEIR DESIGN AT 2 0 9 WEST POLAR STREET. 
          ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 8 6. 
          I'VE BEEN A STUDENT WITH STAGE MUSIC FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF NOW. 
          AND JUST IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THESE MUSIC LESSONS HAVE GIVEN ME A LOT OF CONFIDENCE ARTISTICALLY AND JUST IN MY PERSONAL LIFE ALONE. 
          AND IT WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO SEE MY MUSIC SCHOOL NOT REACH ITS FULL POTENTIAL. 
          I AM ASKING THE H D R C TO PLEASE RECONSIDER ALLOWING THE SCHOOL TO EXPAND ON THE PROPERTY. 
          I THINK WE'D BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN YOU CONSIDER HOW MANY MORE KIDS CAN RECEIVE MUSIC LESSONS, HOW MANY MORE JOBS WE COULD PROVIDE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE MY AGE GIVING MUSIC LESSONS. 
          SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE RECONSIDER. 
          I'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH AS FOR THE PROPERTY WITH JASON, AND HE'S GIVEN ME THE VISION OF WHAT IT CAN BE AND WHAT IT WILL BE IN A COUPLE MONTHS. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE SCHOOL NARRATION'S FULL POTENTIAL, KNOWING THE BENEFITS. 
          SO PLEASE RECONSIDER AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          HI THERE. 
          MY NAME IS DANIEL JORDAN. 
          I AM CURRENTLY LIVING AT 1830 BANDERA ROAD HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT OUR, UH, STAGE MUSIC BUILDING HERE AT 2 0 9 WEST LER STREET. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 20 22 4 8 6. 
          AND IT'S, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE REDESIGN FOR, FOR THE BUILDING. 
          UH, I BELIEVE IT, IT'S JUST EXPANDING THE FIRST FLOOR A LITTLE BIT. 
          THAT OPENS UP OUR, UH, COMMUNITY SPACE, OUR COMMUNAL SPACE THAT GIVES US OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE EVENTS DOWNSTAIRS. 
          UM, EVEN MORE SPACE THAT WILL UP SPACE UP THERE. 
          ADDING MORE FOR SPACE IN GENERAL, I BELIEVE IS A GREAT THING. 
          THIS IS, UH, DESIGNED FOR, UH, ARTS AND CULTURE AND, AND WE WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE LITERAL, UH, METAPHOR FOR THAT. 
          WE'RE EXPANDING INTO OUR, UH, PRODUCTION SPACE, WELL, NOT PRODUCTION SPACE, BUT INTO OUR TEACHING SPACE AND THE WAY THAT THAT WILL IMPACT NOT JUST SAGE MUSIC, BUT THE COMMUNITY OVERALL SPREADING MUSIC, ARTS AND CULTURE AROUND. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING. 
          UM, THE BUILDING PROPOSAL ITSELF DOESN'T CHANGE MUCH. 
          THE DESIGN IS STILL THERE. 
          THE BUILDING STILL LOOKS THE SAME. 
          IT JUST CLOSES IN THAT PORCH. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          THE ISSUE BEING IS THIS A LANDMARK BUILDING? UM, I THINK THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THE BUILDING AT ALL. 
          ONE, ONE TINY CORNER DOESN'T REMOVE THE STYLE, THE FEEL OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT IN FACT, WILL ENHANCE WHAT COMES OUT OF THE BUILDING. 
          UH, IT'S NOT JUST THE ACTUAL BRICK AND MORTAR AND WOOD. 
          SO I BELIEVE IT'S A GREAT THING. 
          UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, AGAIN, ART AND CULTURE. 
          WE WANT TO SPREAD THIS AROUND THE COMMUNITY AND THIS WILL BE A GREAT THING, UH, TO, TO, TO HAVE HAPPEN. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING THIS AND Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD ONE. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS MOLLY AND I'M A COMMUNITY ADVOCATE WHO LIVES IN PRECINCT FOUR. 
          AND I WORK IN DISTRICT ONE, SAME STREET AS SAGE MUSIC, UM, COMPANY. 
          AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 8 6, 
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PROPERTY ON 2 0 9 WEST POPLER STREET, 7 8 2 1 2. 
          UM, AS I SAID, I WORK IN DISTRICT ONE AND I WORK ON THE SAME STREET AND NEIGHBORS TO SAGE MUSIC. 
          UM, I JUST RECENTLY LEARNED THAT THEY'RE SEEKING PERMISSION FROM H D R C TO EXPAND THEIR BUILDING AND SIMPLY ENCLOSED THE PORCH TO MAKE MORE ROOM FOR MORE CLASSROOMS AND SPACE TO HAVE PERFORMANCES AND CLASSES. 
          I USUALLY DO LIKE TO COME IN PERSON, UM, AND FACE INDIVIDUALS TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING. 
          UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I'M MUCH TOO BUSY AT WORK DURING THE WEEK, SO I UNDERSTAND. 
          LIKE I SAID, JASON WITH SAGE MUSIC COMPANY IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE NEEDED SERVICES TO PROVIDE MORE ENRICHMENT TO THEIR EXISTING CLASS SCHEDULES, TEACHING VARIOUS MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AS AS THEY LIKE TO SIMPLY ENOSE THE PORCH. 
          I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU WOULD APPROVE DEVELOPER'S REQUEST TO ERECT UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE SAME BLOCK AS WEST POPLAR, BUT YOU WON'T ALLOW SAGE MUSIC TO IMPROVE THEIR BUILDING, TO HAVE MORE SAFER AND LARGER SPACE, SPACE TO OFFER MORE STUDENTS MUSIC LESSONS, PLANS AND PERFORMANCES. 
          I FEEL GOOD THAT THEY ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH C M I AS I'M A SUPPORTER OF THE PHIL HAR PHILHARMONIC, AND AS I AM IN SUPPORT OF SAGE MUSIC REQUEST TO EXPAND THEIR LITTLE HOME SO THEY CAN TEACH MUSIC LESSONS AND HAVE MORE CLASSROOMS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. 
          HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME IS PAUL MIX AND I LIVE AT 1 1 2 3 4 SIR WINSTON STREET. 
          AND I'M CALLING TO TALK ABOUT SAGE MUSIC'S DESIGN OF THE 2 0 9 WEST POPLAR STREET BUILDING. 
          ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 8 6. 
          SO I'M ACTUALLY CURRENTLY A VOICE TEACHER AND A BEGINNING PIANO TEACHER WITH STAGE MUSIC. 
          AND BEING ABLE TO WORK HERE HAS CHANGED A LOT FOR ME. 
          UM, WHAT IT HAS DONE IS IT'S OPENED UP DOORS THAT A LOT OF OTHER MUSICAL SCHOOLS DON'T HAVE, LIKE BENEFITS, UH, RETIREMENT PLANNING, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT OTHER SCHOOLS DO NOT SUPPLY. 
          NOW WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, ADDING AN EXTRA ROOM FOR 140 STUDENTS, AN EXTRA ROOM FOR TWO DIFFERENT TEACHERS, TWO TO THREE DIFFERENT INSTRUCTORS, AND, UH, EVEN OFFICE STAFF IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO MUSICIANS IN THE AREA. 
          PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE UP FOR RETIREMENT OR GET, UH, ANY KIND OF HELP WITH, UM, WITH INSURANCES OR TRADITIONAL OFFICE BENEFITS. 
          UH, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO TAKE THAT OUT ON ARTISTS OF THE AREA WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING SUCH A ROUGH GO OF IT AFTER THE C OVID 19 CRISIS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO APPROVE IT. 
          HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          MY NAME IS NO OBE. 
          I LIVE AT 5 5 0 3 RESEARCH DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 0. 
          I'M CALLING TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT TO THE SAGE MUSIC SCHOOL BUILDING DESIGN AT 2 0 9 WEST POPULAR STREET. 
          ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 8 6. 
          THE SCHOOL BUILDING PROPOSED DESIGN LOOKS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE TO ME. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DID NOT NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE AT FIRST UNTIL IT WAS POINTED OUT TO ME. 
          I BELIEVE THAT HAVING SAGE MUSIC SCHOOL WILL HAVE MANY ADVANTAGES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY IN INCREASING JOB OPPORTUNITIES, ENCOURAGING ART EDUCATION, BUT ALSO, UH, IT'LL PROVIDE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR LOCALS TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS HISTORICAL AREA OF SAN ANTONIO AND APPRECIATE THIS HISTORICAL BUILDING. 
          WHILE ENJOYING LEARNING MUSIC, I FULLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE H D R C APPROVE THIS PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY NAME IS CHRISTINE TIK. 
          I LIVE AT 5 4 0 7 GOSHEN GROVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 7. 
          I'M CALLING TO SUPPORT SAGE MUSIC'S DESIGN AT 2 0 9 WEST POPLAR STREET. 
          THE ITEM NUMBER IS 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 8 6. 
          I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT AND APPROVE THIS PROJECT. 
          SAGE MUSIC IS AN AWARD-WINNING MUSIC SCHOOL, WHICH I THINK WILL ENHANCE AND UPGRADE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          BRINGING FINE ARTS EDUCATION TO THE AREA OF TOWN WILL BUILD DESIRABLE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE JOBS AS WELL. 
          I WHOLEHEARTEDLY APPROVE OF THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. 
          IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND IT LOOKS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE. 
          WOULD BE HARD TO TELL, BUT BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURES APART, THEY'RE SO SIMILAR. 
          I STRONGLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS BUILDING AND BUSINESS. 
          THANK YOU. 
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HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL VIAL. 
          I LIVE AT 8 0 0 5 THEREAND SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 5 0. 
          AND I AM A CELLO AND VIOLIN TEACHER AT SAGE MUSIC. 
          I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF SAGE MUSIC'S DESIGN AT 2 0 9 WEST POPLAR STREET. 
          ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 86. 
          SAGE MUSIC HAS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN WHICH APPEARS HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE, WHICH WILL PROVIDE SO MANY BENEFITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOCAL COMMUNITY. 
          I FULLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE H D R C MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. 
          SAGE MUSIC IS ONE OF THE ONLY MUSIC SCHOOLS WITHIN THIS VICINITY. 
          TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SAGE MUSIC IS THE ONLY MUSIC SCHOOL WITHIN THIS VICINITY TO OFFER CLASSICAL MUSIC LESSONS FOR INSTRUMENTS WITHIN THE VIOLIN FAMILY. 
          NEARLY EVERY POSITIVE MEMORY IN MY LIFE HAS BEEN DIRECTLY DUE TO MUSIC. 
          MUSIC HAS ENABLED ME TO TRAVEL THE WORLD BETTER, UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT CULTURES PERSPECTIVES, AND MEET AMAZING PEOPLE. 
          MUSIC CAN CHANGE LIVES. 
          MUSIC HAS CHANGED MY LIFE. 
          I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES TO NEW LEVELS. 
          I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN A CLASSICAL INSTRUMENT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO. 
          THIS IS WHY THE SAGE MUSIC COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT. 
          THAT IS WHY THIS COMPANY IS IMPORTANT. 
          THAT IS WHY THIS BUILDING IS SO IMPORTANT. 
          PLEASE ALLOW THE RENOVATIONS TO PROCEED SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN HAVE A STAGE TO PERFORM ON. 
          PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS COMMUNITY'S VOICE AWAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, MY NAME IS BETH WOMMACK AND I OWN AND OPERATE A BUSINESS AT 2 21 WEST POPLAR STREET. 
          AND I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF SAGE MUSIC MUSIC DESIGN AT 2 0 9 WEST POPLAR STREET, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 2 4 8 6. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          I'VE SEEN IT, UM, SINCE WE'VE LIVED HERE OR SINCE WE'VE WORKED HERE FOR THE PAST, UM, THREE, FOUR YEARS. 
          AND, UM, HAD A CHANCE TO WALK OVER AND TOUR THE SITE AND LOOK AT THE, THE DESIGN REVIEW. 
          AND IT IS GOING TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING. 
          AND MY OPINION, UM, THE PORCH ITSELF IS ACTUALLY DECAYING. 
          SO I THINK THAT REDOING IT AND HAVING IT THE FOREFRONT OF THE HOUSE MAKES PERFECT SENSE AND FEEL LIKE IT ACTUALLY ENHANCES THE APPEARANCE. 
          IT DOES NOT DETRACT. 
          NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IS, UM, COMING TO THIS POINT TO HAVE IMPROVEMENT TO, UM, A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          AND, UM, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THEM AS NEIGHBORS. 
          WE THINK THAT IT WILL ADD A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING JOBS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WILL COME TO THE BUSINESS. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE, UM, HAVE A MARKETING FIRM AND, UH, ARE ON 2 21 WEST POPLAR STREET, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ENERGY THAT IT WILL BRING TO THE STREET. 
          AND I DO SEE IT AS AN IMPROVEMENT AND I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS. 
          PLEASE, UM, TAKE MY OPINION INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT CONCLUDES THE VOICEMAILS. 
          THERE ARE SIX LETTERS OF SUPPORT IN THE LETTERS FOLDER AND ALSO A P D F OF SIGNATURES AND SUPPORT IN THE LATE SUBMISSIONS FOLDER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I DO HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS. 
          I AM LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE LOT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          DO YOU OWN THE ENTIRE LOT? YES, MA'AM. 
          AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THAT? UH, SO IN THE BACK, THESE LOOK LIKE TEMPORARY STRUCTURES THAT THE FORMER OWNER PUT IN PLACE. 
          SO ONE WAS SET UP AS A SERVER ROOM, I BELIEVE THEY WERE A LAW FIRM AND THEY HAD GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS. 
          SO THE ONE ON THE, UH, THE NORTHEAST SIDE IS A SERVER ROOM AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE LOOKS LIKE A, UM, JUST TEMPORARY BUILDING THAT THEY, THEY CONSTRUCTED. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          ARE YOU CURRENTLY USING THESE STRUCTURES? SO WE'RE USING, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HELD UP IN THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE USING THE SERVER ROOM AS A TEMPORARY OFFICE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND, UM, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING, YES, THIS IS THE VIEW I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, THERE'S A DRIVE. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          WHAT IS YOUR LOT ACCESS LIKE FOR VEHICLES IN THE BACK ALONG THE ALLEY? UH, WE, WE ALSO OWN THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET AT TWO 
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16 WEST POPLAR AND WE USE THAT FOR PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY NO ACCESS FOR VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BEHIND THE HOUSE ON 2 0 9, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CURB CUT OR A OFF THE ALLEY IN THE BACK. 
          IS THAT A VEHICULAR ACCESS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. 
          IF YOU SEE, UH, RIGHT TO THE RIGHT TO THE WEST, THERE'S THE OF WHERE THE CURSOR IS UHHUH, THAT LOOKS LIKE ON, THAT'S ON THE G D C PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT'S A, I THINK A TRASH COLLECTION BIN OR IT'S LIKE A SHED FOR TRASH COLLECTION BIN. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THAT PLACE WAS ON 2 1 9 POPLAR. 
          UH, BUT I CAN'T BE CERTAIN WHAT IT'S USED FOR, BUT THERE IS A, THERE IS A FENCE BACK THERE, SO IT'S BLOCKED FROM THE ALLEY. 
          OH, GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OF COURSE. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY, UM, THE APPLICANT. 
          SECOND. 
          YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? WELL, I, I JUST, UH, UH, A APPRECIATE, UH, Y'ALL'S LONG HISTORY. 
          I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WILL ACTUALLY BECOME A MORE BEAUTIFUL ENVIRONMENT AS A WHOLE. 
          'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE VERY PROGRESSIVE ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR PLANS. 
          SO WISH YOU MU MUCH LUCK. 
          UH, I, UM, WOULD, WOULD JUST ASK YOUR, YOUR ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO, UH, UH, BE VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THE JUNCTION WHERE THE FLOOR MEETS THE ENCLOSURE ABOVE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AN OVERHANG THAT MAY CAUSE WATER INFILTRATION AND YOU MOST DEFINITELY, UH, DON'T WANT TO JUST LEAVE THAT LINE HANGING OUT. 
          SO WHETHER YOU TREAT IT WITH A, YOU KNOW, TRIM, TRIM BOARDS OR WHATEVER, UM, BUT, BUT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IT'S CLEARLY REVERSIBLE, I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE SOLUTION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. 
          UM, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE REQUEST AND I WILL PROBABLY BE VOTING FOR IT, BUT I WOULD ASK ALSO THAT YOU ALSO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY MAYBE ADDING TO THE, TO THE BACK. 
          IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE EASIER TO GET SOMETHING DONE, UH, THAT WAY, BUT AGAIN, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO IT, BUT JUST I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TAKING SHIMMY HENDRICKS'S GUITAR AND DRILL IT INTO IT IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'M SYMPATHETIC IT CAN BE DONE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT UP HERE. 
          RIGHT? YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH. 
          SO, UH, UH, IF IT, IF IT CAN BE UNDONE AND RESTORED BACK TO ORIGINAL STATE, IF IT PASSES, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I WOULD, THAT I WOULD WANT YOU TO DO. 
          UM, AND ALSO CONSIDER IN THE BACK, UH, WHAT MATERIALS WOULD YOU, WERE YOU PLANNING ON USING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS? THE IDEA IS TO REUSE THE MATERIALS THAT ARE CLADDING THE SIDE OF THE PORCH WOULD BE ENCLOSED NOW, SO IT'D BE EXACT SAME MATERIALS. 
          SO THEN MY QUESTION TO YOU WOULD BE THEN HOW FAST AND HOW UNINTRUSIVE, ACTUALLY HOW UNINTRUSIVE WOULD IT BE TO GO FROM WHAT YOU DO BACK TO WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I CAN QUANTIFY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT, BUT IT WOULD BE NO MORE DIFFICULT TO PUT IT BACK THAN IT IS TO UNDO THE WAY IT IS NOW. 
          SO 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEONE CAN COME BACK TO THIS AND NEVER KNOW THAT THAT EXTENSION OR THAT THAT ROOM WAS THERE. 
          CERTAINLY, UH, EXCEPT THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, SAND BOARD MAPS, WE'VE GOT THIS PROCESS HERE THAT'S WELL DOCUMENTED. 
          THERE'LL BE A GOOD ROADMAP FOR THEM TO GO BACK IF THAT WERE THE DESIRE AT THAT POINT, YEAH, I'D, I'D PROBABLY DO AN AMENDMENT THAT THAT CAUTION IN THE CONSTRUCTION BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TO, TO BE ABLE TO UNDO IT, UH, AND PUT IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE WITHOUT BEING TOO INTRUSIVE INTO THE MATERIALS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          AGAIN, YOU'RE PUTTING BACK JIMMY HENDRICK'S GUITAR TO HOW IT WAS WHEN HE PLAYED IT. 
          SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, GLAD TO SEE IT COMING BACK. 
          KEEP TRYING. 
          UM, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          UM, I ADMIRE MR. SEGA BEAL. 
          I KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. 
          YES. 
          I WANNA USE YOUR REAL NAME. 
          UM, UH, I, UM, I ADMIRE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR BUSINESS ACUMEN AND ENERGY RIGHT NOW, AND I HOPE THAT YOU DOUBLE, TRIPLE YOUR BUSINESS. 
          UM, THE NEED IS THAT DEFINITELY THERE. 
          UM, UM, AND SO MY ONLY RESERV, I HAVE TWO RESERVATIONS. 
          HOW WE AFFECT THE EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION THAT IS SO IMPORTANT AND THE CHARACTER DEFINING WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT ALL OF THE HOUSES HAD. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WISHED I COULD DO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS AN AMENDMENT OR NOT, THE MINUTE YOUR BUSINESS REALLY BEGINS TO, UM, ACCUMULATE AND REALLY GROW AND YOU REALIZE YOU NEED TO BUILD MORE 
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EFFICIENTLY AND MORE EFFECTIVELY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE LOT, THE MINUTE YOU HAVE A DESIGN, IT, IT STIPULATED THAT THAT FRONT ENTRY BE REMOVED OR THOSE ADDITIONS BEING REMOVED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THAT MIGHT BE AN A AMEN AMENDMENT. 
          IT MIGHT NOT. 
          I WANNA HEAR WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND REALLY INSPIRING PERSONAL STORY. 
          UM, AND I, AND I ADMIRE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT BACK TO, TO SAN ANTONIO. 
          MY DAUGHTER'S IN NEW YORK RIGHT NOW, AND I'M TRYING TO GET HER TO COME BACK. 
          I SAID, WE'RE COOLER THAN YOU THINK NOW. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GETTING COOLER EVERY DAY. 
          WELL, I HAVE, ACTUALLY, I WAS A LITTLE DELAYED IN, IN THE, IN THE QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION THERE. 
          AND, AND SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR ARCHITECT, UH, UH, MR. GONZALEZ, DO YOU KNOW IF IT, THAT'S A LOAD-BEARING WALL, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS EXTERIOR WALL. 
          AND THE ORIGINAL ASK WAS YOU WERE GONNA KEEP THAT IN PLACE AND BASICALLY, AND CREATE A KIND OF LIKE A SMALL PRACTICE ROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THIS IS A DIFFERENT ASK, RIGHT? YOU'RE REMOVING WALLS THAT ARE LOAD-BEARING WALLS, CORRECT? YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          UH, THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST, UH, GO ROUND INSPIRED, UH, JASON TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY REMOVING INTERIOR WALLS, TRYING TO OPEN UP THE SPACE FOR A, A, YOU KNOW, PERFORMANCE SPACE AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS ALREADY READY TO, YOU KNOW, AUGMENT THE STRUCTURE SO THAT IT CAN BE OPENED UP SAFELY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN PUT ROVERS ON MARS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THIS STRUCTURALLY, BUT THE REVERSIBILITY IS SOMETHING THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T OVERSTATING THAT BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT SURGICAL, UH, MOVE HERE. 
          AND ESPECIALLY IF THAT IS A BALLOON FRAMED RATHER THAN A PLATFORM FRAMED BECAUSE THE, THE, THE SECOND STORY PORCH MAY BE FRAMING INTO THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE UNDERMINING BY REMOVING YEAH, WALL, IT'S, IT'S A PLATFORM FRAME AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, LVLS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN AND, AND SOME NICE GLUE LAMBS THAT WILL BE EXPOSED AND THERE IS A COLUMN. 
          SO, SO ALL, ALL THAT AND, AND THE CONCRETE HE MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, THAT'S FOR NEW FOOTINGS, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE NEW COLUMNS. 
          SO ALL THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY ASTUTELY, UH, ADDRESSED AND UH, BY THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING DOES NOT, UH, IN ANY WAY IMPINGE THE EXTERIOR AND HOW IT LOOKS AND WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, IT, HOW, HOW IT'LL DOVETAIL INTO WHETHER THE MALT WALL GETS REMOVED AND THEN CAN EASILY GO BACK WITHOUT ANY STRUCTURE STRUCTURAL COMPROMISE AT THAT POINT. 
          AND IF WE GO TO, UM, PAGE NUMBER 12 IN THE P D F, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT TIME HERE, BEAR, BEAR WITH ME FOLKS, I'LL GET TO IT HERE IN A SECOND. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE INTRODUCING A COLUMN AT THAT LOCATION WHERE THE CORNER OF THE, THE INTERIOR CORNER OF THE PORCH, I THINK YOU CAN SEE IT. 
          IT'S NOT HATCHED FOR SOME REASON, UH, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE JUST INSIDE OF THAT FRAMING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A COLUMN FREE SPACE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE A, A REVERSE DOUBLE CANTILEVER IN THIS SITUATION, NO MATTER HOW MANY, UH, L VLS YOU BRING IN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, FOR THE APPLICANT'S, UM, I, I'M IN GENERALLY SUPPORT OF THE MOTION, BUT, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT WE HAVE LISTED HERE? ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH BOTH OF THOSE AND THE STIPULATIONS, MEANING REVERSIBILITY AND, AND USING EXISTING MATERIALS LIKE THE WINDOWS AND SUCH? RIGHT, THE STIPULATIONS ARE ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE ON THE RENDERING, RIGHT? SO THE, THE WINDOW THAT YOU SEE IN THE RENDERING IS THE ORIGINAL WINDOW. 
          ALL RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT PURPORTING TO USE ANYTHING THAT'S NEW INSTEAD OF SIMILAR MATERIALS. 
          WE'RE USING THE EXISTING MATERIALS. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO STIPULATION ONE, UM, THAT THE EXISTING SIDING AND WINDOWS ARE SALVAGED AND REUSED, THE MOTION DID NOT INCLUDE STIPULATIONS. 
          I KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF THE, UM, APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, YES OR NO. 
          SO THE YES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PLANNING TO USE THE EXISTING SIGHTING, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND, AND MR. CHAIR, LET ME CLARIFY, MY INTENT WAS, AND, AND EXCUSE ME, IF I SPLIT 'EM IN THE COMMENTS, WAS THE REVERSIBILITY COMPLETELY IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE MOTION IS? IF I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT, I'LL DO THAT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THESE STIPULATIONS WERE, YOU KNOW, OFFERED BY STAFF JUST TO PROVIDE A RECORD OF, OF KIND OF BEST PRACTICES. 
          I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DO THESE THINGS. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REUSE THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND SIGNING TO THE FULLEST 
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EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          UH, I HAD A QUESTION OF HOW THE, THAT EXTRA SPACE IS GONNA BE USED ON THE FIRST FLOOR. 
          SURE. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT ONE. 
          SO I THINK THE IMAGE WAS UP, IF YOU COULD PULL THAT BACK. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE, WHERE THE PORCH IS THERE ON THE SIDE, AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          , NOW IT'S , NOW IT'S THE OTHER DIRECTION. 
          SO ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU'VE GOT THE INSIDE OF THE, THE PORCH. 
          SO BASICALLY WE LOSE THAT SPACE AND DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THAT PORCH IS BASICALLY WHERE THE STUDENTS WOULD PERFORM. 
          SO THAT BASICALLY TAKES THE PERFORMANCE SPACE ALL THE WAY TO THAT EDGE OF THE, UH, PORCH. 
          AND THEN BASICALLY THERE'S NO SIGHT LINES FOR LIKE THE NEXT 45 DEGREES IN. 
          AND THEN WE CAN'T ACTUALLY USE ANY OF THE SPACE IN THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE OF EGRESS. 
          SO THAT LEAVES ABOUT SPACE FOR SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY WATCH A PERFORMANCE OF 10 KIDS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE BASICALLY NEED THAT SPACE OPEN FOR SIGHT LINES, UH, FOR EGRESS, FOR BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS DUE TO CODE. 
          AND OF COURSE, YEAH, THEY'VE GOT AN INCREDIBLE PIANO THAT WE COULD NOT FIT IN THERE WITHOUT THIS MODIFICATION. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF GONNA BE ACCOMMODATING THAT, THAT NEW PIANO, NOT NEW PIANO, THAT'S AN OLD PIANO, A GREAT PIANO. 
          AND THEN SPACE FOR THE AUDIENCE. 
          SURE. 
          YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION. 
          AND A GRAND PIANO WOULD PROBABLY FILL UP THAT WHOLE SPACE. 
           . 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. 
          UPSTAIRS. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A ROOM FOR REHEARSAL OR SOMETHING. 
          UH, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO WE GO BASICALLY FROM HAVING FIVE ROOMS TO, TO SIX UPSTAIRS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          NO, AND I, I WOULD JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          IT'S 'CAUSE EACH CASE IS DIFFERENT, RIGHT? AND I THINK YOU'VE MADE YOUR CASE. 
          I THINK THE NEIGHBORS, UH, SUPPORT HELPS A LOT. 
          I KNOW THAT, I MEAN, YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY G D C MARKETING. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE A COMMERCIAL AREA OF PO IT'S KIND OF A WEIRD BLOCK, RIGHT? BUT IT'S, SO I THINK THAT WITH THE SUPPORT AND, AND THE EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, THAT'S WHY I WOULD SAY I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT IN SUPPORT OF THIS. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          AND THE PHOTOSHOP SKILLS , I, I WOULDN'T SAY SKILLS. 
          THAT WAS WAY MORE WORK THAN IT TO OCCUR, THAN IT NEEDED TO BE . 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND, UH, SOUNDS LIKE AN AMAZING, UH, BUSINESS YOU HAVE HERE. 
          UH, BRINGING MUSIC TO MANY MORE STUDENTS AND, UM, HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          UM, I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN IS REUSING THE SIDING AND THE WINDOW IN THIS ENCLOSURE ACTUALLY, UH, CONFUSES WHAT'S HISTORIC ABOUT THE HOUSE AND WHAT'S BASICALLY AN ADDITION. 
          UH, I KNOW STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED REUSING THE EXISTING SIDING AND WINDOWS FOR THE PORCH ENCLOSURE. 
          BUT, UM, GENERALLY WHEN AN ADDITION IS MADE TO A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, THAT ADDITION HAS, UH, COMPLIMENTARY MATERIALS, UH, POSSIBLY A NARROWER, UH, DIMENSION. 
          SIDING, UH, SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT WINDOWS. 
          BUT, UM, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW I'M GONNA VOTE ON THIS ONE. 
          . 
          WELL, IF I MIGHT ADD, UH, SO IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, THE SIDING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING CHANGES WHEN YOU GO AROUND THAT CORNER. 
          SO I, I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED AROUND THAT SIDE PORCH IS NOT ORIGINAL, RIGHT? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDING ON THE FRONT, IT'S GOT KINDA LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT. 
          MAYBE YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS BETTER THAN I DO. 
          BUT THERE'S BASICALLY LIKE, UH, IT GOES BACK ONCE, IT GOES BACK TWICE. 
          AND WHEN YOU GO TO THE SIDE, IT'S JUST STRAIGHT AND SO ON THAT PORCH, THE SIDING IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REST OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? THE FRAMING OF THE DOOR ON THE SIDE IS DIFFERENT. 
          SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ORIGINAL ON THE SIDE. 
          SO SOMETHING PROBABLY ALREADY HAPPENED THERE IN THE PAST. 
          OKAY? AND I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY ORIGINALLY WE WERE GOING TO DO A HARDY SIDING, UH, TO DRAW OUT THAT CONTRAST. 
          NO, NO PUN INTENDED. 
          UH, IN THIS CASE, AS JASON DID HIS PHOTOSHOP, YOU SEE THAT VERTICAL WHITE, UH, TRIM THAT THAT'S GONNA STAY THERE. 
          AND SO THAT GIVES YOU SOME HINT TO READ, UH, AS YOU GET CLOSER. 
          THIS IS NOT, UH, THE ORIGINAL WALL. 
          IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, MOVED OUT, UH, BUT FROM THE STREET YOU STILL READ SOMETHING SYMPATHETIC AND IT READS AS A WHOLE AND NOT INCONGRUOUS IN THAT RESPECT. 
          SO, SO THAT WAS OUR THOUGHT WITH THAT VERTICAL. 
          UH, THERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, UH, THE, THE, THAT CORNER TRIM WITH THE NEW WALL COMING OUT, IF YOU GO TO THE PROPOSED IT, IT, IT, IT HELPS TELL THE STORY, SO TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY. 
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UH, JUST A THOUGHT THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER PAINTING THE NEW ENCLOSURE. 
          SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR OR A DIFFERENT SHADE SO THAT IF AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN OR A PRESERVATION IS, IS LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, THEY CAN SEE THAT THESE TWO WALLS ARE NOT THE, IN THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATION. 
          SO SUBTLE DIFFERENCES LIKE THAT HELP IN DISTINGUISHING, UH, HISTORIC MATERIAL TO, UH, ADDITIONS. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SENO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL AND GOOD LUCK. 
          WE WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE A LITTLE BIT OF THE TEAM OVER HERE. 
          STAND UP , THEY CAN'T TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I GUESS YOU DIDN'T ASK, BUT, UH, THIS IS, UH, CAN YOU DO YOU WELL? THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING SO KIND AND GIVING YOUR SUPPORT. 
          HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          ALRIGHT, AGENDA ITEM 16. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 17 8 30 WEST COMMERCE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, RECONSTRUCT THE ONE STORY BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE WITH A SECOND STORY ADDITION. 
          TWO, CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY REAR ADDITION, AND THREE, INSTALL A NEW STEEL BALCONY AND EXTERIOR STAIRCASE ON THE SOUTH REAR ELEVATION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH N WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES THE FACADE DETAILS OF THE EXISTING ONE STORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE ROOF LINE AND PARAPETS AND THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDINGS C AND K AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR DAY TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN DETAILING ANY ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING THAT WILL BE SALVAGED FOR REUSE BASED ON FINDING C THREE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE PROPOSED EAST SIDE EDITION OR CITES THE ADDITION SIGNIFICANTLY BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE. 
          BASED ON FINDING D THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT UPDATED SITE PLANS AND ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE SETBACK OF THE THIRD STORY OF THE REAR ADDITION FROM THE FRONT FACADE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING E FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE CLADDING MATERIAL FOR THE PROPOSED SOUTH AND WEST ELEVATIONS OF THE REAR ADDITION TO MATCH THE EXISTING MASONRY VENEER BASED ON FINDING F AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS AND FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DEMOLITION AND ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE PLAN DETAILING THE PROPOSAL FOR MATERIAL AND WINDOW REMOVAL BASED ON FINDING G SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOWS OF TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDINGS H AND I EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE STOREFRONT WINDOW AND DOOR SYSTEM OF THE THIRD STORY OF THE REAR ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING L AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR F WOOD, WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE REAR. 
          ADDITION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT MEETS STAFF STANDARD WI WINDOW STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING J AND THE APPLICANT. 
          SUE ANN PEMBERTON IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          GOOD EVENING AT THIS POINT. 
          HI, MY NAME IS SUEANN PEMBERTON AND, UM, I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UH, WE'VE MET WITH YOU AT D R C AT ONE POINT AND I'VE BEEN ON THE AGENDA BEFORE. 
          I'D ACTUALLY ASKED TO MEET WITH D R C BEFORE COMING TO THIS MEETING, BUT THAT SOMEHOW DIDN'T HAPPEN. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN KIND OF DANCING AROUND WITH T H C AS WELL BECAUSE OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE, THE TWO TWO STORY BUILDINGS THERE, UH, WE DESPERATELY NEED TO GET THE TAX CREDITS FOR THOSE, FOR THE REHABILITATION, BOTH THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL TAX CREDITS. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, THOSE GROUPS AS WELL AS TRYING TO WORK WITH EAR GROUPS. 
          UH, WHEN WE PRESENTED EARLIER, UH, WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO GO BOLD ON OUR ADDITION AND T H C STARTED TO LAUGH, UM, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SENT US BACK OF COURSE. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OUT, UH, KIND OF MANY CHANGES. 
          SO WE, WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH, UH, THE THINGS FOR T H C AND, UH, AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE FOR THOSE TAX CREDITS, BUT WE NEED TO COMPLY WITH Y'ALL TO GET A PERMIT. 
          SO WE'RE 
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KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE AND TRYING TO FIND A HAPPY SPOT HERE. 
          UH, FIND THE, THE SWEET SPOT THAT WILL WILL WORK. 
          UM, WE, IN THIS DESIGN, WE ARE PUTTING, WELL, THE RECONSTRUCTION IDEAS KIND OF, IT WAS, IT WAS A NICE IDEA, BUT, BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LEFT OF THE ONE STORY BUILDING, UH, TO EITHER SALVAGE OR, UH, ANY REASON TO ACTUALLY RECONSTRUCT IT. 
          UM, WE HAVE ASKED, UH, FOR, UM, A DE-LISTING FOR, FOR ITS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          WE WENT THROUGH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS, UM, RECORDS, TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW DID IT GET DESIGNATED TO BEGIN WITH, AND THAT WAS 1985 OR SOMETHING, AND NOBODY KNOWS. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE DONE OUR RESEARCH AND SO JENNY HAY IS, IS, IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT END OF IT. 
          AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE, UH, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION BECAUSE FROM THE TAX CREDIT STANDPOINT, IF IT'S NOT LISTED LOCALLY, THEN THEY OF COURSE HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER THE ADDITION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WAS BUILT MUCH LATER THAN THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS. 
          AND IT IS, UM, A, A CLAY BLOCK AND A CONCRETE STRUCTURAL FRAME. 
          AND IT, UM, IS COMPLETELY GUTTED AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THE ROOF HAD CAVED IN THE FLOOR, THEN HAD CAVED IN. 
          AND, UM, THE, UH, ONCE WE TOOK THE, THE VINES OFF THE BACK PART OF THAT WALL, THE REAR WALL FELL DOWN. 
          AND, UM, SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO SALVAGE. 
          BUT, UH, SO RECONSTRUCTING IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S A REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATION, BUT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING SEEMS TO BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TERM. 
          AND FOR THE OWNER TO, UM, UH, TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE NEED, UH, TO RETURN IT TO A FULL SECOND FLOOR RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT. 
          THERE WERE TWO SEPARATE, UM, HOTELS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, BEFORE THE ESTRADA HARDWARE BUILDINGS WERE, OR ESTRADA HARDWARE KIND OF EXPANDED. 
          THEY EVEN RAN IN THE SECOND FLOOR AS RESIDENTIAL, UH, LIKE HOTEL TYPE FOR A LONG TIME AFTER THAT AS WELL. 
          SO OUR GOAL AGAIN IS TO GET ALL THE SECOND FLOOR BACK INTO A LEASEABLE SPACE AND GET THE FIRST FLOOR INTO COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT CAN BE LEASED OUT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING IN THAT APP, UH, AND DRAWING THAT WE HAVE A TWO STORY, UM, BUILDING NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          T H C SAID THEY WOULD APPROVE A THREE STORY AND THEY GO, WELL, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS WOULDN'T, SO IT'S JUST LIKE, OKAY, CAN WE COMPROMISE AT A TWO STORY BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO A, THE ONE STORY BUILDING? UM, AND, UM, THEN WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A, UH, A RESTAURANT AT THE THIRD LEVEL AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND AS OF YESTERDAY, THAT'S NO LONGER GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THE OWNER HAS FINALLY PULLED THAT ONE OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE MIX. 
          SO OUR, OUR FULL REQUEST IS FOR A FULL TWO STORY BUILDING, JUST THE SAME DEPTH AS THE EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDINGS. 
          AND, UM, AND THEN RECONSTRUCT PORCHES AND THINGS AT THE REAR, LIKE IF THEY HAD ORIGINALLY IN THE, UM, THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES. 
          THEN OUR OTHER KIND OF, UH, POINT IS, IS WITH THE WINDOWS, THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE FRONT SIDE. 
          I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN TO WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WINDOWS. 
          ALL OF THOSE WINDOWS ARE ACTUALLY TWO BY FOURS SLAPPED TOGETHER WITH FIXED GLASS IN BETWEEN. 
          THERE'S , IT WAS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, YEAH, NOT GOOD. 
          AND THEY'RE ROTTED OUT AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          ANYWAY, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO IN WITH, UM, A, A TWO OVER TWO DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, BUT WE'RE PROPOSING THEY'RE CLAD BECAUSE YOU'RE, AT THIS POINT, YOU'RE ABOUT 18 FEET IN THE AIR, AND IF IT WAS A HOUSE, I'D GO WITH A WOOD WINDOW. 
          BUT IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, I THINK THAT THE, UH, CLAD WINDOW IS, IS MORE APPROPRIATE. 
          AND SO WE ARE GOING WITH WOOD , BUT WOOD CLAD WINDOW AND FORGET THE, THESE MUSS, WE'RE NOT DOING FAKE MOUNTAINS. 
          OKAY, PROMISE YOU WON'T, WE WON'T DO THAT. 
          UM, BUT OTHERWISE THE PROPORTIONS AND EVERYTHING MATCH THE, THE, UM, THE PORTION PROPORTIONS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE STANDARD WINDOW, UH, BLOG. 
          SO WE'RE, UH, ASKING FOR THOSE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE, THE LONGEST LEAD TIME. 
          WE'RE ABOUT SIX MONTHS OUT FROM THE DAY WE PLACE THE ORDER. 
          AND SO THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT. 
          SO THE TWO KEY ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS CAN, IS, IS BUILDING THE TWO STORY OR, OR A THREE STORY BUILDING ON THAT EAST END AND THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS. 
          BUT I THINK OTHERWISE MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS, OH, THERE, NO, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. 
          AND THAT IS THAT WE DON'T, UM, DO A BRICK VENEER 
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ON THE NEW STRUCTURES. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD, THAT THE, IN MY OPINION, NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD LOOK LIKE A NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND BASED ON WHAT YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE LAST CASE, THAT'S ALSO WHAT YOU WERE RECOMMENDING AND NOT TRY TO REPLICATE, UM, A HISTORIC BUILDING. 
          WE DON'T WANNA CREATE FAKE OLD IN, IN THIS APPLICATION. 
          AT ONE POINT Y'ALL REC, AS I SAID, RECOMMENDED GOING BOLD AND WE HAD A LOT OF GLASS AND STEEL, UM, AND WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE THERE AT THAT REAR ELEVATION WHEN WE WERE GONNA HAVE THE RESTAURANT. 
          BUT I, AS I SAID, AS OF YESTERDAY, THE THIRD STORY RESTAURANT WENT AWAY. 
          SO I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. 
          SO TO CLARIFY, THERE NO THIRD FLOOR ON ANY OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? UNLESS WE CAN GET A THIRD, A THREE STORY BUILDING. 
          BUT I SAW TOO MUCH HEAD SHAKING THERE AT THAT ONE. 
          SO LIKE I SAID, T H C SAYS, OR THAT, THAT WE COULD BUILD A THREE STORY AS FAR AS THEY WERE CONCERNED IF THE RESTAURANT WENT AWAY AT THE BACK OR WENT, MOVED AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. 
          AND, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THE ONE STORY AND WE'VE DRAWN HERE A TWO STORY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE NEED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO GET TWO MORE APARTMENTS. 
          MR. CHAIR, ARE WE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS? UM, QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          HI. 
          HI. 
          THANKS FOR COMING BACK. 
          UM, UH, I THINK PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STREETSCAPE, THAT THAT'S GOING BACK TO AS MUCH OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, INTENT AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? WHICH IS PRETTY APPARENT THE DESIGN AS FAR AS THE, UM, UH, THE, THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, IN THE ADDITION OR, OR THE OLD ADDITION BECOMING A NEW BUILDING AND THE THIRD FLOOR, WHICH I THINK IS PERFECTLY FINE, ESPECIALLY THAT IT LOOKS LIKE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THAT THIRD STORY STEPS BACK FROM THE FRONT FACADE. 
          SOME IT DID, YES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           TWO THIRDS OF THE DISTANCE OF THE BUILDING. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S VERY, VERY, UM, VERY SMART. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, ADDING A THIRD FLOOR TO A SECOND FLOOR IS, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT CHURCH OF ARCHITECTURE YOU COME FROM, RIGHT? SO FOR, FOR MY TAKE, I THINK IT'S A, A, UH, UH, MORE MATTER OF HOW YOU APPROACH IT. 
          AND, UM, I I, I DO APPRECIATE THE WAY IT'S BEEN APPROACHED. 
          NOW, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE, UM, UM, THE COMMENTS BY STAFF AND WINDOW AND THOSE DETAILS, IT WOULD BE MY IMPRESSION THAT THAT, THAT YOUR EXPECTATION WOULD BE CLOSER TO HOW YOU SEE THE END RESULT VERSUS IT ADHERING TO MORE GUIDELINE QUESTIONS OF WINDOW AND, AND DEPTH AND ALL THAT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE MODERN ASPECT OF IT, HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DO YOU FEEL, OR IS IT, IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL WOULD, WOULD DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE DESIGN INTENT? UH, IS IT AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO YOU THAT, THAT Y'ALL ARE IN CHARGE OF THE DEPTH OF THE WINDOW WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE, THE NON HISTORIC PART OF THIS PROJECT? WELL, WE'RE, UM, WE WERE THINKING MORE OF, OF THAT, UH, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF HAVING MORE OF A, A, A WINDOW WALL, A CONTEMPORARY SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO, TO THE KIND OF PUNCHED OPENINGS OF THE HISTORIC SO THAT YOU READ THE HISTORIC, WE'RE FINE WITH THE, THE WOOD WINDOW IF WE CAN GET IT CLAD AGAIN FOR, UH, THE REST OF THE INSTALLATION. 
          AND, UM, BUT I, THE IDEA OF DOING THE ENTIRE BUILDING AS A, AS A BRICK VENEER, 'CAUSE THE OTHER TWO BUILDINGS ARE LOAD BEARING MASONRY. 
          UM, AND, AND THAT'S HARD TO MATCH, I MEAN, TO REALLY LOOK GOOD. 
          WELL, PART OF WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION 'CAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION, RIGHT? WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW THAT IS RECOMMENDED IS KIND OF RECOMMENDED WITHOUT ANY BUILDING, IT'S JUST THE GENERAL GUIDELINE, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , BUT, UM, SPECIFIC TO THE BUILDING THAT, THAT YOU'ALL PROPOSE TO BUILD, UM, THE, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THE PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW'S IMPORTANT TO THE DESIGN. 
          LIKE, IT WOULDN'T MEAN IF YOU HAD ADHERED IT TO A TWO BY FOUR, THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, FIT IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FRAME AS WELL. 
          THAT'S NOT JUST THE WINDOW, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IS THAT ALSO A VERY STRONG POINT THAT YOU WOULD WANNA MAKE WITH US? THAT, WELL, WITH THE NEW BUILDING, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING GONNA BE THERE. 
          UH, WITH THE NEW BUILDING, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO PUT THE TRANSOMS IN, WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE HORIZONTAL BANDING, WE WERE TRYING TO MIMIC THE, THE VERTICAL OPENINGS AND PUT THE DOOR WHERE IT WAS INITIALLY AND THEN JUST KIND OF CARRIED THOSE PROPORTIONS THAT, THAT VERTICAL LINE ON UP ON UP THE BUILDING. 
          UM, AND, AND, UM, TRY TO MAKE IT, IT WORK WITHIN THE BUILDING AS WELL. 
          SO, 
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UH, THAT WAS OUR GOAL. 
          AND THEN THAT OUR PARAPET, WE CAN ADD MORE DETAIL TO IT, BUT THAT, THAT IT REALLY IS ALMOST ALIGNS OR IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE EXISTING PARAPET, UM, SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME FLASHING AND THINGS ISSUES WORKED OUT IN THAT. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE OUR GOALS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, QUESTION AGAIN ABOUT THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE NEW BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND YOU WANTED TO EXPRESS ITSELF AS NEW, MODERN CONTEMPORARY. 
          UM, SO ARE THESE DRAWINGS, UM, IS THE DRAWING WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, PAGE NUMBER 35 WITH THE BRICK? IS THAT STILL RELEVANT? IT'S STILL ACCURATE, YEAH. 
          WE STILL WANTED TO TIE THE FRONT ELEVATION TO BE BRICK. 
          IT'S JUST THE BACK AND, AND THE SIDE ELEVATION TO BE STEEL FRAME. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE GOT STEEL FRAME AND BRICK INFILL AND THE SAME KIND OF THING STARTING ON THE BACK, BUT ADDING MORE GLASS. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, DID YOU SPEC THE COLOR OF YOUR STOREFRONT YET? NO, WE HAVEN'T. 
          WE'LL BE BACK WITH THAT, BUT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT BIGGER ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM. 
           BIGGER MOVES. 
          YES. 
          SINCE, SO, UH, THIS, THIS THIRD FLOOR RESTAURANT MM-HMM. 
           HAS, HAS, UM, BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR TRYING TO GET THAT GOING THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WILL THE STRUCTURAL WORK THAT'S GOING ON NOW ALLOW A THIRD FLOOR AT A LATER DATE? I DON'T THINK WE'RE PLANNING ON THAT EVER. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, I THINK THE, THE OWNER HAS SET HIS SITES ELSEWHERE NOW, SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU. 
          SO, I'M, I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THIS AT THE ASKS, SO YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE THIRD FLOOR NOR THE BALCONY ANYMORE. 
          WELL, THE BALCONY IS THE PORCHES AT THE BACK. 
          WELL, I AM TRYING TO ALSO DO MY QUESTION TOWARDS UNDERSTANDING HOW TO DO A MOTION HERE. 
          UM, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A NEW STEEL BALCONY AND EXTERIOR STAIR STAIRCASE. 
          SO THAT WHOLE BALCONY WILL GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR, OR NOT ANYMORE? NO, IT'LL, IT'LL GO WHERE IT IS NOW AND WE WON'T HAVE THAT UPPER YEAH. 
          BALCONY WILL NOT HAVE, WILL NOT ONLY ON THE STAIRCASE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN ALL THE THIRD FLOOR. 
          SO BASICALLY REQUEST NUMBER TWO OKAY. 
          WILL BE, SO SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE STIPULATIONS. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THESE STIPULATIONS DO NOT APPLY ANY LONGER AND I WOULD THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE THREE FOUR FIRST ONES DEFINITELY STIPULATION FOUR NO LONGER WOULD APPLY. 
          STIPULATION FOUR WOULD NO LONGER APPLY. 
          AND CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, RACHEL? IT MIGHT BE HARD TO READ. 
          WHAT ABOUT, I GUESS YEAH, CAN, CAN WE, CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION CO CORY? THE, THE, THE THIRD WHAT? JUST CLARIFICATION FOR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          THE, THE THIRD FLOOR STILL IS IN THE ASK, RIGHT? THE RESTAURANT'S NOT THERE, BUT THE THIRD FLOOR'S STILL IN THE ASK. 
          NO, THE STRUCTURE OF THE THIRD FLOOR IS NOT BEING, THE STRUCTURE OF THE THIRD FLOOR IS GONE UNLESS WE'RE CAN HAVE A FULL THREE STORY BUILDING. 
          SO SHE SAID UNLESS SHE CAN HAVE A FULL THREE STORY BUILDING, IS THAT SHE'S ASKING US FOR A FULL THREE STORY BUILDING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BECAUSE IF SHE IS, THEN IT'S STILL OPEN. 
          LET'S NOT EXACTLY. 
          I THINK WE'RE GONNA SIMPLIFY THIS STORY, STORY BUILDING. 
          LET'S JUST SIMPLIFY THIS TO A TWO STORY BECAUSE IF NOT, I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE LIKE A CONCEPTUAL AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND ALL THAT. 
          SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, GET THE TWO STORY AND THEN IF SOMEBODY CHANGED YOUR MIND, YOU COME BACK, UM, THE, SO, SO STIPULATION FOUR, AND THEN IF THAT BUILDING IS NOT HISTORIC AND YOU FIND THE PROOF OF THAT, THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED EITHER A, A REUSE PLAN OR A SALVAGE PLAN AND ALL THAT. 
          IT WOULD BE CORRECT. 
          AND ALSO STIPULATION EIGHT WOULD NOT APPLY EITHER EIGHT. 
          AND AS FAR AS THE, WE'LL DO THE SALVAGE PLAN AND JUST BASICALLY REPORT THERE'S NOTHING TO SALVAGE. 
          ALTHOUGH WE ARE RE WE'RE GONNA REINSTALL IT. 
          EXACTLY. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT IF WE DO INCLUDE THE STIPULATION, I THINK, I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE. 
          I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IN MY MIND IS IF WE INCLUDE THOSE STIPULATIONS, SOME OF THEM WON'T APPLY ANYMORE ANYWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M READY TO MOTION IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST QUICK QUESTION, WHERE ARE YOU, HAVE YOU GOTTEN AN APPROVED PART TWO YET WITH THE TAX CREDITS OR IS THAT STILL ALL ON HOLD UNTIL YOU NO, THAT'S STILL ON HOLD UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO 
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AND THEY WERE WILLING TO GO FOR A THREE STORY AND BACK. 
          THEY WERE WILLING TO GO AT THE THREE STORY. 
          IF, IF IT THIS IS VALERIE YOU'RE TALKING TO OR WHO'S YES. 
          VALERIE WAS GONNA LET US DO THAT IF WE WOULD TAKE THE, THE RESTAURANT AND MOVE IT FURTHER BACK ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YOU, YOU MUST HAVE A LOT OF STROKE WITH HER  BECAUSE I'VE HAD SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THIS PROJECT. 
          I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT IT'S MOVING ALONG. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN BUMPING ALONG, BUT IT'S, UM, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION IS, UH, THAT I, THAT CAME UP, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, THE SALVAGE, THERE'S NO MATERIALS ELSEWHERE. 
          THE WINDOWS YOU'RE SAYING THERE ARE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUT AND REUSED FOR ANY, WE CAN TRY ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND SEE IF THEY CAN COME OUT, BUT MOST OF THEM FALL APART IN OUR, OUR HANDS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S NO MISCELLANEOUS SOMETHINGS THAT COULD GO INTO YOUR NO. 
          WELL, SAL, ACTUALLY ON THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE ONE STORY BUILDING, THERE WAS A SMALL SECTION OF PRESSED METAL CEILING THAT DID NOT FALL APART IN OUR HANDS THAT WE WANNA PUT ON DISPLAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, USE IT SOMEWHERE INSIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT, UM, THE BUILDING WAS PRETTY WELL GUTTED, ESPECIALLY THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, COMPLETELY GUTTED LIKE IN THE EIGHTIES TO MAKE A, UM, UM, UM, AN APARTMENT LIVING QUARTERS FOR ONE. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT OF PORTLAND CEMENT INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          AND, UH, STRANGE THINGS WALLS CUT OUT THAT WERE LOAD BEARING AND, UM, SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REPAIR TO DO AT THAT POINT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT FROM, FROM AN INTERIOR POINT OF VIEW, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE IT, IS IT, IT ORIGINALLY HAD SOME SKYLIGHTS IN THE WEST BUILDING AND WE'RE GOING TO RESTORE, TRY TO RESTORE TWO OF THOSE SKYLIGHTS TO GET LIGHT BACK DOWN IN, 'CAUSE THERE IS SOME PRESS METAL UP INTO THOSE ALCOVES THAT'S NOT TOTALLY, UM, DESTROYED. 
          SO MAYBE AN ENUMERATION OF THOSE ITEMS COULD S OKAY. 
          SATISFY THE SALVAGE REQUEST. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GROOVE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION. 
          YEAH, ACTUALLY I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          WHAT ARE THOSE WINDOWS? SO WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? WHAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN? THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE BETWEEN THE, WHAT'S GONNA BECOME THE NEW BUILDING AND THE OLD BUILDING? RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ONES THAT ARE PLYWOOD OR NOT PLYWOOD, TWO BY FOURS AND, AND GLASS. 
          BUT WE WILL, FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE WILL USE THEM AS LIKE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. 
          YEAH, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RETAIN THE WHOLE WALL INSIDE AND JUST, AND CAN YOU GO UP TO THAT PICTURE AGAIN? AND I THINK THERE'S SOME DETAILS ON THE TOP OF THAT ROOF LINE THAT ACTUALLY EVEN MORE WOULD SAY, I THINK YOU SHOULD KEEP IT AT TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, UP THERE. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THAT STEPPED PARAPET. 
          YEAH, SO I THINK, UM, IF, IF A MOTION WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A, A MOTION TO APPROVE AS THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED A TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, REQUEST AS APPLICANT REQUESTED TODAY. 
          BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY KEEP ALL STIPULATIONS AND ALSO STIPULATION EIGHT. 
          KEEP IT BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU STILL NEED TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME DETAILS ON THE STOREFRONT. 
          EVEN IF WE DO A TWO STORY, THREE STORY, YOU STILL NEED TO DO THE DETAILED MATERIAL DETAILS FOR THE STOREFRONT. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE YES WE CAN, I MEAN THERE'S SOME IN THE PACKET, THERE ARE DETAILS IN THE PACKET. 
          UH, BUT WE CAN CALL THAT OUT FURTHER. 
          LIKE I SAID, THE, THE TIME THE TICKET WE NEED APPROVAL IS, IS AND YEAH. 
          AND I'M AND, AND I GUESS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE, IN STIPULATION NINE. 
          I WOULD ALLOW FOR THE WINDOWS AS PRESENTED TODAY BY THE APPLICANT. 
          WAS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME TO GET THEM? WE NEED TO ORDER. 
          COULD YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION? ARE ARE WE CLEAR ON THE MOTION? YES. 
          AND TO CLARIFY, STIPULATION FIVE, UM, STIPULATES THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE CLADDING MATERIAL TO BE BRICK VENEER AS OPPOSED TO WHAT, WHAT IS PROPOSED? THAT'S TRUE. 
          THE BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS MATERIAL WAS IT THAT YOU WERE GONNA PROPOSE? WE WERE GOING YOU DIDN'T WANNA DO THE BREAK VIDEO THE LAST FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION? YES. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA REMOVE, OKAY, SO LET'S DO IT AGAIN. 
          MOTION TO APPROVE AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT TODAY TO STORY ADDITION. 
          SO KEEPING STIPULATION ONE, TWO, WE'RE NOT KEEPING STIPULATION THREE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING RIGHT. 
          NO STIPULATION. 
          SO ONE AND TWO, NO FOUR, NO FIVE. 
          KEEPING STIPULATION. 
          6, 7, 8, AND NINE WITH THE WINDOWS THE APPLICANT PRESENTED 
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TODAY. 
          WAS THAT CLEAR? AND I'LL SECOND. 
          WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND NOW. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER MOOKA? NO DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NOTHING. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NOTHING FURTHER. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? NO QUESTIONS. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          S AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRU AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 17. 
          AGENDA AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 0 5 5 15 CLUB. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 2,400 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES AN UPDATED SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THE PROPOSED SETBACK IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES AND THE SETBACK FOR THE FRONT FACING GARAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING D TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CLADDING MATERIAL MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE IMMEDIATE BLOCK OF CLUB DRIVE AND SUBMITS UPDATED MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING H THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING I FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATES THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PROPORTIONS AND WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS COMMONLY FOUND IN THE DISTRICT AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING J FIVE, THAT ITS ATTACHED GARAGE IS UTILIZED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDING L AND SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH PLANTING AND FENCING DETAILS AND AN UPDATED SITE PLAN SHOWING ALL PROPOSED SITE WORK TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO, TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL AS NOTED IN FINDING P UM, AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STIPULATION TWO. 
          UH, HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO PROPOSE, UH, STUCCO AS THE CLADDING AND STIPULATION FIVE, UH, FOR A DETACHED GARAGE. 
          HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO PROPOSE A FRONT FACING GARAGE, AND HE HAS SUBMITTED UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS FOR THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS AND THE APPLICANT, GILBERT GARZA IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR MEETING WITH ME AGAIN. 
          UM, BUT I THINK AT THIS TIME, UH, MY DAUGHTER AND I AND MY SON-IN-LAW HAVE CONSENTED TO ALL OF YOUR REQUESTS. 
          WE'VE LOWERED THE ROOF PITCH TO THE HOUSE. 
          WE'VE, UH, SIMPLIFIED THE ELEVATION. 
          WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE STUDIES AND TRIED TO DO A DETACHED GARAGE, BUT WITH THAT TINY LOT OF 44 FEET WIDE, UH, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. 
          AND WITH THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN, UH, RESTRICTIONS IN THE BACK, WE'RE SO LIMITED TO THE SPACE THAT THAT SPACE IS ALLOWED, THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLY POSSIBLE TO DO A DETACHED GARAGE. 
          BUT WE HAVE, SINCE THEN, WE HAVE PUSHED THE GARAGE. 
          WE HAVE ACTUALLY FLIPPED THE HOUSE AND PUSHED THE GARAGE BACK NINE FEET SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET SOME RELIEF FROM THE FRONT. 
          UM, WE HAVE TRIED AND DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO FULFILL EVERYONE'S REQUEST AND WISHES. 
          UH, I THINK BY MOVING THAT GARAGE BACK, IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN IT. 
          AND BY FLIPPING THE HOUSE, IT WAS ALLOWING US TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE IS CONFORMED TO WHICH YOU ARE, YOU'RE REQUESTING WISHES AND WANTS ARE. 
          WE ARE HAPPY WITH IT. 
          UH, I THINK MY DAUGHTER'S HAPPY WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS STILL. 
          WE'VE TAKEN OFF THAT PARAPET. 
          UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL, UM, PROVIDE ENOUGH, UH, TO GET THE FRONT ELEVATION APPROVED. 
          CONCEPTUAL APPROVED. 
          UM, I HAVE DONE A DIAGRAM, IF YOU CAN SHOW THE ELEVATIONS THAT I HAVE SENT RECENTLY. 
          UH, I HAVE SHOWN SOMEBODY ASKED FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE PROPERTY WHERE THE FRONT SITS. 
          THE FRONT'S GONNA SIT ABOUT EIGHT INCHES TO ONE FOOT OFF GRADE. 
          AND 
          [03:45:01]
AS YOU NOTICE, THAT LOT FALLS. 
          AND IT'S GONNA BE A THREE TO THREE AND A HALF FOOT, UH, DROP IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE DASH LINES REPRESENTED. 
          UH, ON THE BACK, UH, ON, ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE. 
          I'M GONNA BURN IT UP. 
          UH, SO IT HAS A SWELL, SO YOU WON'T SEE THAT MUCH CONCRETE. 
          I'M HOPING TO HAVE A FOOT TO A FOOT AND A HALF OF EXPOSED CONCRETE, WHICH WE'LL PAINT THE SAME AS THE STUCCO. 
          SO ALONG THE SIDES YOU WON'T NOTICE THREE FEET OF CONCRETE. 
          UH, UM, SO I WILL BURN IT UP, KIND OF SWELL IT FROM, FROM EACH SIDE SO THAT WAY THAT THE WATER HAS DRAINAGE TO THE BACK AS WELL AS IT, UH, CAN HELP CONCEAL SOME OF THAT EXPOSED, UH, CONCRETE. 
          UM, AND IN THE BACK, I WANT TO DO SOME RAISED PLANTERS AT THAT TIME, ONCE WE GET TO THE FINAL LANDSCAPE IN DESIGNS, UH, AT THIS POINT I'M TRYING TO GET THE HOUSE CONCEPTION, UH, APPROVED AND THEN WE CAN SUBMIT LANDSCAPE PLANS AND, UH, FENCING DETAILS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          UH, ONCE WE GET, I GUESS, THE FINAL HOUSE APPROVED, UM, I'VE DONE A WINDOW DIAGRAM OF WHAT THE WINDOWS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          SOMEBODY SUGGESTED THAT I DO 2 3 0 6 OH WINDOWS WITH A GAP IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH I REALLY ACTUALLY LIKED. 
          AND THAT'S GOING ON AT THE MASTER BEDROOM, THE BEDROOM NUMBER TWO, AND THE DINING ROOM. 
          UH, SO THAT ACTUALLY, I LIKE THAT DETAIL THAT THAT SUGGESTION WAS GIVEN BY ONE OF THE PANELS HERE. 
          UH, THE FRONT WINDOW IS THE ONLY ONE WITH AN ARCH, AND IT'S GOT A SINGLE THREE OH ON THE SIDE. 
          THE OTHER TWO SMALLER WINDOWS ARE IN THE BED, THE BATHROOMS. AND THEN I HAVE SHOWN A DETAIL WITH THE TWO INCH RECESS OR REVEAL TO THE WINDOW. 
          SO WE HAVE THAT PUNCH LOOK. 
          UH, AND THEN IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ELEVATION, UH, I HAVE DETAILED AND NOTED WHERE EACH WINDOW IS LOCATED AT. 
          SO, UH, I'M HOPING FOR, FOR SOME POSITIVE INPUT FROM YOU TODAY AND HOPEFULLY MAYBE GET A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          HAVE MY FINGERS CROSSED. 
          AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME WE COME AND WE MEET WITH YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS WILL, UH, I'LL BRING MY DAUGHTER AND SHE'LL HAVE SOME HAPPY NEWS. 
          SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY WISH FROM YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, VOICEMAIL, CORRECT? YES. 
          THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE 2 0 2 2 5 0 5. 
          UH, ADDRESS FIVE 15 CLUB DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DR. 
          GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE M P N A AND THE NM P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5. 
          WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOMES AND ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION OF THE SINGLE HOME ON CLUB DRIVE. 
          WE THANK THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THEIR TIME AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL ON THIS UNIQUE CASE. 
          WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS 1, 3, 4, AND SIX. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED H D R C TO JOIN US IN SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED CLADDING MATERIAL OF A MINIMALLY TEXTURED STUCCO WITH A BARREL TILE CLAY ROOF, UM, AND THE NEW POSITION OF THE FRONT FACING GARAGE THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED IN TODAY'S PACKET. 
          WE ASK FOR THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS TO BE ADDED FIRST THAT THE FRONT DOOR ARCH BE EVALUATED TO BE MORE PRONOUNCED AND THAT THE ENTIRE ARCH IS VISIBLE AND CELEBRATED. 
          NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT WORKS TOWARDS FINAL APPROVAL, THAT THE FRONT FACING GARAGE DOORS, THAT A PRODUCT SELECTION IS MADE WITH ATTENTION TO THEIR DETAIL BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT DUE TO THEIR PROMINENCE ON THE FRONT FACADE AND THE PERCENTAGE THAT IT IS TAKING ON THE FRONT FACADE, THEY SHOULD NOT SEEK TO OVER DOMINATE NUMBER THREE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY, THE SIDEWALK BE A SMOOTH, THE NATURAL COLORED, NATURAL COLORED CONCRETE. 
          AND FINALLY, NUMBER FOUR, WE STRONGLY SUGGEST THE APPLICANT TO MEET WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR REGARDING THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT ON THIS PLATT. 
          AND OTHER THINGS THAT MAY BE A CONCERN. 
          AND, UM, THINGS TO ADDRESS AS THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, THAT THIS IS OUTSIDE OF HD'S APPROVAL, OF COURSE, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS, UH, BUILD IS A SUCCESSFUL BUILD AND DONE SO IN A TIMELY MANNER. 
          AND WE SUGGEST THOSE MEETINGS OCCUR CONCURRENTLY AS THEY PR UH, PROCEED TOWARDS A FINAL. 
          THANKS SO MUCH FOR OUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE FINAL SUBMISSION. 
          UM, I AGREE WE ARE EXCITED AND THRILLED, UH, TO GET THIS THING MOVING. 
          UH, ON THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, WHICH I 
          [03:50:01]
THINK WE WILL, UH, I HAVE, UH, REQUESTED MY SURVEY ENGINEER BOZ RIO TO BE PRESENT BECAUSE I WANT HIM TO, UH, EXPLAIN THE PROCESS HE'S GOING THROUGH. 
          'CAUSE HE'S GONNA SUBMIT FOR PERMITS AND APPROVAL FOR THE FLOODPLAIN. 
          SO THAT, THAT, THAT POINT I WILL HAVE AND ADDRESS THE FLOOD ZONE AREA. 
          I HAVEN'T ELABORATED ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S OUTTA MY EXPERTISE AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS ANY FALSE INFORMATION OR ANY FALSE, UH, NOTIFICATIONS. 
          BUT, UH, YES, UH, IT'S BEEN A PROCESS, BUT IT'S BEEN A, IT HASN'T BEEN A BAD PROCESS, SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S COMMENTS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY GETTING AN APPROVED, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. 
          UM, MR. GARZA? YES, SIR. 
          UH, DID YOU DRAW THESE? YES, SIR. 
          I, UM, I'M OLD SCHOOL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I, I GRADUATED FROM, UH, U T S A IN 83 IF, UH, I GUESS THAT'S TELLING MY AGE, BUT YES. 
          UH, AND THEN I STARTED MY OWN FIRM 20 YEARS AGO, AND I USED TO WORK FOR AN ARCHITECTURAL COMPANY, BUT AT THAT TIME IT WAS MORMON MOCK PARTNERSHIP. 
          AND AT THAT TIME WE DID EVERYTHING BY HAND. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN I LEFT THEM AND WENT ON MY OWN, EVERYBODY STARTED DOING CAD AND, AND, UH, REV AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND GOT WAY TOO FAST FOR ME, BUT I SUBBED MY STUFF OUT. 
          BUT THIS IS MY DAUGHTER'S HOME AND IT'S BEEN NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. 
          SO ALL THIS DRAWING IS DONE BY HAND, UM, STILL WITH PENCIL AND, AND THE T A T BAR AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, BUT BEAUTIFUL DRAWING. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          IT'S JUST, UH, JUST KIND OF HOW I STILL DO THINGS. 
          WELL, THE, ON THE, THE COMMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT WAS TALKING WITH RESPECT TO THE GARAGE DOORS, I'M IMAGINING WHAT THEY REALLY MEAN TO SAY IS THAT THEY WANT THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF GARAGE DOORS, PRO PROMINENT, PROBABLY WOOD CONSTRUCTED. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA PROPOSE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE WOOD. 
          NOW, WHETHER IT HAS WINDOWS OR HAS WOOD, IT DOESN'T REALLY, AT THIS POINT, IT DOESN'T BOTHER MY DAUGHTER EITHER WAY. 
          SO I CAN GO EITHER WAY. 
          WHATEVER YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE IS PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO BECAUSE THE FRONT DOORS ARE THE LAST THING ON HER AGENDA AS FAR AS WHAT SHE'S WANTED. 
          UH, THE FRONT DOOR, THE SAME THING ON, ON THE, ON THE ARCH. 
          I'M IMAGINING THE ONLY WAY TO PRESERVE THE ARCH IS TO STEP THE WAY THE ROOF COMES DOWN SOMEWHAT. 
          AND TO, TO MAKE IT, TO MAKE IT NOT INTERRUPT THE ARCH, YOU'D HAVE TO STOP IT AHEAD. 
          SO THERE'D BE A JOG THAT YOU'D SEE FROM ONE ANGLE, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT SEE FROM THE OTHER ANGLE. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, LOOKING AT THE DESIGN, IT SEEMS IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO HAVE THE WHOLE ARCH? WELL, I'M, I'M, THAT THAT FRONT DOOR WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET THAT, UH, ARCH THAT'S, UH, AT THAT FRONT COLUMN WITH THE STUCCO THAT'S ABOUT TWO FEET HIGHER THAN THE ACTUAL DOOR. 
          SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT DOOR FROM THE LEFT SIDE AND FROM STRAIGHT ON YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT FRONT DOOR. 
          SO, SO, SO THEN, THEN THIS SIDE WHERE THE ROOF COMES DOWN AND CHANGES THE PROFILE OF THE ARCH, THAT'S VERY INTENTIONAL THEN YOU, YOU'RE VERY RIGHT. 
          CORRECT. 
          WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WELL, I, I APPRECIATE, UH, I APPRECIATE THE CRAFT AND THE ART OF YOUR WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BEFORE MOTION? I DO HAVE S I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING PERSISTENT. 
          OH, THAT'S, THAT'S, I DO, I GUESS ANYONE HERE, WE DO ANYTHING FOR OUR DAUGHTERS? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE COMMITTEE ALSO FOR BEING PERSISTENT ON THIS TOO, BECAUSE THANK YOU. 
          IT SHOWS THAT IT'S REALLY WORTH, WORTH COLLABORATING ON. 
          QUESTION. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR UPDATING YOUR WINDOWS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, THEY REALLY DO GIVE THE HOUSE SOME CHARACTER. 
          WELL, I THINK YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THE, THE, THE SPACE IN BETWEEN 'EM. 
          I LOVE THAT IDEA. 
          I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THAT ELEVATION, I, I USED THAT AT THE REAR OF THE WINDOWS AND AT THE SIDE OF THE WINDOW HERE. 
          I REALLY LIKED THAT DETAIL, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION. 
          SURE. 
          IT JUST, IT, IT, UM, REALLY HELPS THE HOUSE EXPRESS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO EXPRESS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT KIND OF MAKES EVERYTHING SYMMETRICAL. 
          IT MAKES EVERYTHING UNIFORM. 
          IT'S KIND OF, I JUST LIKE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD DEAL. 
          UH, THE QUESTION I HAVE, ARE THESE WINDOWS OPERABLE? YES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UH, SINGLE HUNG, DOUBLE INSULATED WINDOWS. 
          UH, I, I SENT THE SPECIFICATIONS ON IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I WAS HOPING TO HAVE AN ACTUAL WINDOW HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT HERE IN TIME. 
          BUT, UH, YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE BLACK ALUMINUM DIVIDED LIGHTS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST DIDN'T SEE SINGLE HUNG ARGON AR ARGON FIELD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, WINDOWSILL. 
          YES. 
          AND THEY'RE HANG SINGLE HUNG. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOTED ON THAT DETAIL THAT I SENT YOU. 
          UH, IF YOU CAN SHOW THE WINDOWS, UH, THERE, IT'S ACTUALLY NOTED, UH, THE TOP LEFT IS A SINGLE HUNG, THE TOP RIGHT IS, UH, FOUR OH HORIZONTAL SLIDER. 
          SINGLE HUNG, 
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SINGLE HUNG, AND SINGLE HUNG SUPER. 
          YES. 
          AND I LOOK FORWARD LATER, UM, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GRADING SITUATION AND YOUR FLOODPLAIN. 
          YES, YES. 
          THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE ON THE NEXT MEETING WHEN I HAVE MY, UM, WHEN I HAVE MY, UH, UH, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER HERE. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR UPDATES. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, BUT I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. 
          WELL, HAS HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          WONDER. 
          UM, SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS 1, 3, 4, AND SIX, AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL, AND THIS IS APPROVAL FOR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. 
          I'LL SECOND AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT WERE SUGGESTED, UH, BY THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, REVIEW COMMITTEE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO, UH, STUDY THAT ARCH, AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S CONNECTION IN THERE BECAUSE WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE ROOF THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF FLASHING AND YOU'LL WANNA PULL OFF OF THAT TO MAKE THAT ARCH WORK ELEGANTLY. 
          I THINK, UM, ALSO, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE OPTION FOR A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF, UH, NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE PRE IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, WE, WE CAN DIS WE CAN DISREGARD THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR FIRST AND MY FIRST, OUR FIRST, OUR FIRST CHOICE IS THE DOUBLE BARREL, THE, THE DOUBLE BARREL, UH, RIGHT AISLE ROUTE. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL TO MAKE. 
          SO WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF THE, OFF THE AGENDA AS FAR AS THE, IF YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU'RE SWITCHING. 
          LET'S JUST MAKE THAT A PERMANENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, AND THEN, UH, ALSO THE, UH, GARAGE DOOR PRODUCT, UH, INFORMATION DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY SUGGESTION, DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS, WOULD YOU GUYS PREFER JUST A SOLID WOOD DOOR DOORS WITH WINDOWS OR ALL, ALL, ALL I'M SAYING IS AS A STIPULATION THAT BE SOMETHING STUDIED FURTHER. 
          OH, THAT'S FINE. 
          AS AS THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL, UH, UH, STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAYS AND, AND SIDEWALKS BE SMOOTH CONCRETE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          SAME, SAME, SAME. 
          TWO SECONDS. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          SAME AND A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMENT, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          YOU'RE DOING GOOD WORK. 
          NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO HAVE DAUGHTERS. 
          I HAVE DAUGHTER THANK, TRYING TO DO THE SAME. 
          SO, UH, APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORT ON THIS. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR HELP, YOUR COMMENTS, EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE HEARTBREAKING, UH, IT'S ALL FOR THE BETTER CAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR THE FAMILIES, FOR EVERYBODY CONCERNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NO, NO, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER RUBE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          AND I WANNA CLARIFY FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, I MEAN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND I THINK WE WENT REALLY FAR FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          , YES. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO THE FIRST NEW BUILD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE LIKE THE EIGHTIES OR THE NINETIES. 
          SO YOU'LL BE THE FIRST . 
          SO IT, IT, IT WAS A THING AND, AND THE LOT DID NOT MAKE IT EASIER. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US. 
          I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT PROJECT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT OVER ASKING ON A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. 
          AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST A, A SPECIFIC ON THIS CASE. 
          BUT THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I AP I APPRECIATE, UH, IT ALL. 
          AND I, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE DESIGN, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE HISTORIC REVIEW BOARD. 
          WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE PERMITTING. 
          MY DAUGHTER FELL IN LOVE WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, SHE'S ALL, SHE FELL IN LOVE WITH MONTE VISTA, MONTICELLO, ALL OF THESE HISTORIC PLACES. 
          SHE LOVES THE, THE TEXTURE, SHE LOVES THE, THE, THE UNIQUE CRAFTS. 
          SHE LOVES MY, MY JOB. 
          SHE LOVES WHAT I DO. 
          SHE LIKES MY ARTISTIC DRAWINGS. 
          SHE'S ALWAYS, SHE, SHE GREW UP WITH THAT AND SHE LOVES THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHE COULD HAVE BUILT WITH THE MONEY SHE'S SPENDING. 
          SHE COULD HAVE BUILT ANYWHERE IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT SHE CHOSE MONTICELLO. 
          'CAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY LOT. 
          AND SHE SAYS, I DON'T CARE. 
          I WANT IT. 
          I SAID, IT'S GOT OFF FLOODPLAIN. 
          I DON'T CARE. 
          I DON'T WANT IT. 
          I SAID, WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE BOARD. 
          IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH. 
          I DON'T CARE. 
          I WANT IT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          YOU GOTTA, YOU GUYS GOTTA REALIZE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE HOUSE, IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE HOUSE AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ALREADY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          NO QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          NOTHING FURTHER, MR. CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO THE, THE THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMISSION, AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          UM, AND RECOMMEND IF YOU, UH, GET TO A POINT AND YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER 
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D R C, UH, JUST GET BACK WITH STAFF AND WE CAN DO THAT BEFORE COMING FOR FINAL. 
          WELL, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT WITH THE DOORS AND, AND THE GARAGE DOORS. 
          THOSE, THOSE, I THINK I, I DO WANT Y'ALL'S INPUT BECAUSE I CAN BE THROWING YOU IDEAS AND YOU CAN BE SHOOTING 'EM DOWN AND I CAN ELIMINATE SOME TIME BY JUST SAYING, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? AND WHAT DO YOU GUYS RECOMMEND? AND WE'RE, SHE'S PRETTY MUCH GONNA GO WITH IT. 
          SO THAT I WOULD LIKE SOME HELP ON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 18. 
          ITEM ITEM 18, THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 0 6 8 2 5 EAST HARLAN AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 19 WINDOWS. 
          REPLACE EXISTING DOORS, CHANGE THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ACROSS ALL ELEVATIONS, PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF A SMALL ADDITION ON THE WEST ELEVATION, AND WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY AND APPROACH BY FOUR FEET. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE WINDOW REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT ONLY THE THREE MODERN GANGED WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION BE REPLACED. 
          ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WINDOW PRODUCT TO REPLACE THE THREE GAINED WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION. 
          THAT CONFORMS TO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT, NAMELY A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW. 
          PRODUCT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO DOOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE EAST AND SOUTH DOORS BE RETAINED AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE REPLACEMENT DOORS THAT CONFORM TO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          GUIDELINES, NAMELY WOOD AND OF A STYLE APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE STAFF. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE. 
          CHANGING THE FENESTRATION PATTERN ACROSS ALL ELEVATIONS BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF A SMALL ADDITION ON THE WEST ELEVATION. 
          BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, WIDENING THE DRIVEWAY AND APPROACH BY FOUR FEET BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FINISHED DRIVEWAY DOES NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN, IN WIDTH. 
          AND THE FINISH FINISHED APPROACH DOES NOT EXCEED 12 FEET IN WIDTH. 
          UH, I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, KEVIN SULA HERE IN PERSON. 
          HELLO. 
          VERY NICE TO MEET YOU. 
          I ACTUALLY WILL BE GOING WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE WINDOWS. 
          I AM GOING TO TRY MY BEST TO REPAIR THOSE WINDOWS. 
          UH, REGARDING THE, THERE WAS A, UM, ADDITION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, I'M SO SORRY, IT JUST KEEPS ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF BUILDING, UH, THAT HAD MULTIPLE PLUMBING, UH, PIPES, GAS PIPES. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT REMOVING THAT. 
          ALSO, IT'S A POURED CONCRETE, UH, WITH, UH, THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE REQUESTED SCOPE OF WORK FOR THIS, SO THAT OH, OKAY. 
          SO WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT HAS TO BE APPLIED FOR SEPARATELY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          BUT AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, UH, WE WILL GO WITH THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YOUR, YOUR EXAM ACCEPTING ALL OF I I AM AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? I'D BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          ALL ARE READY TO, WE, UM, I WANT A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          SINO? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROVE. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FED. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 19. 
          ITEM 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 503 11 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. 
          THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 27 WINDOWS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          REPLACE 
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THREE SETS OF DOORS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          ADD TWO NEW WINDOWS TO THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          REMOVE A SMALL ADDITION NEAR THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INFILL TWO GARAGE DOORS AND TWO WINDOWS ON THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          ADD EIGHT WINDOWS TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND REMOVE A CONCRETE PATH IN STEPS BETWEEN THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE POOL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, WINDOW REPLACEMENT ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS NUMBERED 3, 4, 5 3 GAINED WINDOWS AND SIX THROUGH NINE ON THE ATTACHED WINDOW SCHEDULE PLUS ONE WINDOW ON THE FIRST FLOOR POWDER ROOM SHOULD BE RETAINED ON REPAIRED SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS NUMBERED 15, 17 AND 19 ON THE ATTACHED WINDOW SCHEDULE SHOULD BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES AND TO STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          THAT THE HISTORIC WINDOW PATTERN OF THE SECOND STORY BE RETAINED TO INCLUDE THE WINDOW ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER THAT'S CURRENTLY CLOSED FROM THE INSIDE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACEMENT OF DOORS ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE NORTH FACING DOORS ON ON THE WEST WING BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. 
          THAT THE SOUTH FACING DOORS ON THE WEST WING INCLUDE FOUR FULLY OPERABLE DOORS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, ADDITION OF TWO WINDOWS TO THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES AND TO STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, REMOVAL OF A SMALL ADDITION NEAR THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS FIVE THROUGH SEVEN BASED ON FINDINGS G THROUGH I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED WINDOW AND DOOR PRODUCTS THAT ARE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD, AND OTHERWISE CONFORM TO GUIDELINES AND STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS FOR WINDOWS ON ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE LETTER ON FILE FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW AND THEN THE APPLICANT, DORAN, REGIS AND ROBERTO VALERA ARE HERE IN PERSON. 
          JAKE HALLAHAN AND DAN CASTRO ARE JOINING VIA WEBEX. 
          OKAY. 
          THE APPLICANT. 
          PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          HI, MY NAME IS DO RODRIGUEZ. 
          I'M THE CONTRACTOR THERE. 
          COULD YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC? SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          MY NAME IS DO RODRIGUEZ. 
          I'M THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE HOUSE. 
          AND, UM, WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST THAT WE GET REPLACED TO GET THE APPROVAL FOR ALL THE WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL FOR AT 80% OF THE WINDOWS, BUT WE NEED TO REPLACE THE REMAINING 20% BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF DRY ROT. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT AS ENERGY EFFICIENT. 
          UM, AND THEY'RE, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PROJECT OVERALL. 
          AND THE NEW PROPOSED WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE MARVIN AND PLY JAM, UH, WOOD FRAME AND EXTERIOR CLAT. 
          AND, UH, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS ABOUT THE COLORS WE WERE REQUESTING, UH, DARK LIKE EBONY OR LIKE A BLACK, UH, EXTERIOR COLOR WITH INTERIOR WHITE. 
          UM, AND WE JUST WANTED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE WHOLE PROJECT. 
          UM, THE OWNERS ARE SPENDING OVER 500,000 ON THIS PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE IT EVERYTHING LOOK REALLY GOOD. 
          AND THE NEW WINDOWS, THEY'RE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE EXISTING ONES, SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE JUST REQUESTING THAT WE CAN GET ALL THE WINDOWS APPROVED AND THE OTHER, UH, STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THOSE? WHAT WAS THAT, HOW YOU RESPOND TO THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS? WELL, WE'RE DOING ALL OF THEM. 
          THE REST OF 'EM. 
          , THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION WAS HOW YOU RESPOND TO THE OTHER STIPULATIONS NOT RELATED TO THE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE ABOUT THE DOORS. 
          WELL, THIS APPLIES ON THE 20%. 
          THERE IS A BIG, UM, DOOR UNIT FOR THE LIVING ROOM THAT WE WERE ASKED TO RETAIN AND WE ARE ASKING TO REPLACE THEM AS WELL. 
          AND THEY'RE GONNA BE MARVIN WITH EXTERIOR CLAD, IDENTICAL SHAPE. 
          EVERYTHING WILL LOOK THE SAME. 
          UM, AND THE WOOD FRAME, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA BE NEW. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          SIR, SIR, IN THE, IN YOUR, YOUR, UM, YOUR RESPONSE, YOU MENTIONED THREE DIFFERENT BRANDS, RIGHT? OF, OF WINDOW. 
          WHY, WHY, WHY THE DIFFERENT BRANDS? WHY NOT ALL THE SAME RUN OF WINDOWS? IT'S GONNA BE TWO, TWO DIFFERENT. 
          IT'S MARVIN AND PLY JAM. 
          RIGHT? BUT WHY THE PLY JAM? IF YOU'RE DOING MARVIN, WHY WOULD YOU GO TO PLY JAM? THE, THE MARVIN IS, THEY'RE REALLY 
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EXPENSIVE. 
          IF YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF 'EM, THERE'S, I THINK IT'S LIKE $40,000 DIFFERENCE. 
          SO WE DOING THE WINDOWS IN PLY JAM, WOOD FRAME CLAD EXTERIOR, AND THEN THE DOOR UNITS, LIKE THE LIVING ROOM DOOR UNITS, THEY'RE LIKE 10 FEET WIDE OR EIGHT FEET WIDE. 
          UH, ONLY MARVIN MAKES THOSE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THE SECOND STORY, UM, THE FRENCH DOOR. 
          UM, FORGOT WHAT NUMBER WAS THAT? UM, THAT ONE, THAT DOOR ONLY. 
          MARVIN MAKES IT PLY JAM DOESN'T MAKE IT, BUT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME, YOU KNOW? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO NOT PAY EVERYTHING, MARVIN, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPER EXPENSIVE. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT 40 UNITS IN TOTAL. 
          AND ON THE, YOU FOUND THE PLY JAM PRODUCT THAT IS THE SAME PROFILE AND WOOD AND YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, WE SENT IN THE CODES WITH ALL THE INFORMATION. 
          OKAY, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , COMMISSIONER SINO QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          STAFF. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ON PAGE 15 AND 16, JUST SO I AM CLEAR, ARE THOSE RED LINE MARKUPS, THE EXISTING WITH THE H AND THE B AND THE GREEN? IS THAT YOUR WORK? YES. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU DID TO COORDINATE THE TEXT OF WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF WINDOWS HERE. 
          IT'S A QUICK VISUAL FOR THOSE OF US WHO NEED THAT QUICK VISUAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THOSE ON THE 15 AND 16. 
          WHERE'S THE FRONT OF THE HOME TO THE WEST? IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE DRAWING. 
          THE TOP IS THE HOME AS THE FRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A MOTION SO WE CAN START DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET STARTED. 
          A SECOND. 
          YOU HAVE A MOTION. 
          AND SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, MY MY IMPRESSION IS, I'M GOING OFF OF THE MATH, NOT OF STAFF, BUT THE MATH OF THE APPLICANT IS 20%. 
          WITH WITH, WITH RESPECT TO STILL HAVING SOME LEVEL OF, UM, REPAIR REQUIRED THAT IF THEY HAVE A SUPERIOR, UH, PRODUCT THAT THAT ADHERES TO THE HISTORIC PROFILE, THAT 20% RETAINAGE IN, IN CONSIDERATION OF, YOU KNOW, 80% THAT, THAT WOULD MEET A STANDARD FOR, UM, REPLACEMENT. 
          THAT IT MAY BE, BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE, OF THE HOUSE HOLISTICALLY. 
          THAT, UM, THEY, THEY ALL, UM, MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE WITH A TIMELINE WHERE THEIR EXPECTED LIFE IS, UM, IN KEEPING WITH IT, WITH, WITH ITSELF. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I, I'M, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE MARVIN PRODUCT. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW THE PLY GYM TO HAVE A, A, A, YOU KNOW, A WOOD WINDOW AT THAT LEVEL. 
          I, I WOULD THINK THAT THE PLACE WOULD'VE BEEN APELLA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT ONE PRODUCT IS NECESSARILY BETTER THAN ANOTHER, JUST WITH RESPECT TO MY, MY, UH, EXPERIENCE THAT, UM, IF THEY HAVE A PRODUCT THAT CAN MEET THAT STANDARD, THEN PERHAPS IT IS, IT'S JUST IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HOUSE TO HAVE A HOLISTIC SOLUTION FROM ONE ROOM TO THE NEXT. 
          UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, COMMISSIONER SAVINA, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. 
          DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WILL, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, KINDA WHOLESALE REPLACEMENT, AND THAT'S NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE STANDARDS. 
          AND I THINK STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT ONE GRAPHIC THAT WAS, UH, POINTED OUT THAT THAT HELPED TO CLARIFY KINDA WHAT WAS ELIGIBLE, WHAT WAS A HISTORIC, WHAT WAS, UH, REPLACEMENT AND WHAT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, BUT IN, IN GENERAL, I'M, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO JUST SORT OF GRANT A WHOLESALE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF THESE, UH, IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          YES. 
          AND I'M USUALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT WILL NEVER GO FOR THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. 
          UM, FIRST IT'S A BIG, BEAUTIFUL HOME, AND MY FIRST INTENT WAS TO THINK, OKAY, IF WE, IF WE CAN PULL UP THAT EXACTLY. 
          SO YOU HAVE H FOUR, UNLIKE THOSE FOUR DOORS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MODERN WOOD THAT ARE LEGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT. 
          I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THAT ROOM, I WAS LIKE, I THINK THE, THE DOORS SHOULD BE MATCHING INSIDE, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROMINENT ROOM. 
          IT'S KIND OF, I THINK THERE'S EVEN LIKE AN, SOME PLANTS, OR IT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK ONE OF THEM IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE FRONT, BUT I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF VISIBLE. 
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AND I'M ALWAYS FOR KEEPING THE MOST HISTORIC WINDOWS ON THE FRONT. 
          THE HOUSE IS FAIRLY SET BACK, BUT THEN IT WON'T MATCH FOR THE UPSTAIRS. 
          HALF OF THE UPSTAIRS IS ALSO KIND OF COVERED UP. 
          SO I'M ACTUALLY GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION NOW THAT WAS ON THE WINDOWS. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS, HIS INTENT WAS ALSO TO APPROVE, UM, THE DOORS AND HIS MOTION. 
          WELL, WELL, IT, IT IS LOOKING AT THEM AND FORGIVE ME, BECAUSE I, I JUST SCROLLED AWAY FROM THE, THE GREEN AND RED, GREEN AND BLUE. 
          I'M NOT GONNA FIND IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT, IT IS IN, IN THE INTEREST THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A DOOR ACROSS FROM ANOTHER DOOR. 
          THEY'RE GONNA BE IN HAVING THE SAME EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? YOU'RE GONNA BE IN THAT ROOM, THEY'RE GONNA BE DIFFERENT DOORS. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE GREATER OPTION IS TO REPAIR THE DOOR TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT TO A SHOP AND HAVE THE DOOR RECONSTRUCTED, OR TO REPLACE THE TWO DOORS TO MATCH. 
          SO I, I'M, I'M OPTING FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE MATCHING BECAUSE THEY'RE A MARVIN DOOR. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TO ME SEEMS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A ACCEPT MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE UPGRADE. 
          SO YES, I THE SHORT AND CAN I THEN JUST PROPOSE ONE AMENDMENT THAT, UM, SINCE TO KEEP IT CLEAR ON WHAT BRAND AND ALL THAT, CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT IS ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THAT CONFORM THE GUIDELINES FOR WINDOWS OR WINDOW GUIDELINES JUST FOR ANY REPLACEMENT. 
          AND THEN WE DON'T SPECIFY ANY BRAND OR PROVEN A BRAND ON THIS BOARD. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S SO WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO THE AMENDMENT, LET'S LET EVERYONE SPEAK TO THE MAIN MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTION. 
          AND I'M INCLINED TO SAY, UH, TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY OUR ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S REPAIRABLE AND WHAT'S, UH, REPLACE, UH, SET UP FOR REPLACEMENT. 
          UH, SO NOW WE'LL DISCUSS THE AMENDMENT. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY, RESTATE THE AMENDMENT TO, UH, ALL WINDOW REPLACEMENT A ADHERE TO THE BE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD AND CONFORM TO THE WINDOW GUIDELINES FROM SECOND MOTION AND SECOND COMMISSIONER MAZUA DISCUSSING THE AMENDMENT. 
          I AGREE. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS NOTHING TO ADD. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, SO THAT I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, THOSE ARE, THAT STANDARD IS APPLICABLE TO THOSE THAT ARE REPLACED, CORRECT? THAT'S AN AMENDMENT. 
          FIRST WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT, THEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE MOTION. 
          THE MOTION IN PLACE RIGHT NOW IS A FULL REPLACEMENT. 
          THE MOTION IS FOR, THE MAIN MOTION IS FOR FULL REPLACEMENT. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE AMENDMENT IS FOR THE STANDARD OF THE REP OF THAT REPLACEMENT. 
          OKAY? YES. 
          AND NO QUESTIONS MR. CERVANTES? MR. CERVANTES, I, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, I AGREE WITH THE AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY, ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAV AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ? AYE. 
          MASUKA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND ZER? AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          UH, ROLL CALL. 
          VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SAVINA NAY, VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER, NAYYY GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          AND FETZER NAYYY MOTION. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM 20. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM 20 ON THE AGENDA. 
          UH, H G R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 14 2 81 LARA BOULEVARD. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO APPROVAL TO INSTALL A STRIATED STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST TO INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE PANELS ARE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. 
          UM, THE, I'M SORRY, THE OWNER, GLENN SMILEY, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          NO VOICEMAILS OR LETTERS. 
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I'M VERY OLD, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I AM. 
          I'LL BE HERE . 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE. 
          MY NAME IS GLEN SMILEY. 
          I'M A RETIRED EDUCATOR ADMINISTRATOR IN THE SAN ANTONIO SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PRIVATE SCHOOL HOLY CROSS HIGH SCHOOL, WHERE I SERVED AS VICE PRINCIPAL AND PRINCIPAL. 
          AND I AM 86 YEARS OLD AND MY HOUSE IS ONE YEAR YOUNGER THAN MYSELF. 
          MY ADDRESS IS AT 2 81 LAVERA BOULEVARD, ALMOST PARK TERRACE, DISTRICT ONE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 1 2. 
          I'M HERE TODAY REQUESTING TO INSTALL A RATED STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF ON THE MY PROPERTY AT 2 81 LA VERA BOULEVARD. 
          MY HOME IS BY CASTLE. 
          I FELL IN LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT BACK IN 19 75, 76, REPLACING THE NOW NON-EXISTING METAL ROOF, WHICH WAS INSTALLED ORIGINALLY MARCH 23RD, 1998 BY BIRCH ROOFING COMPANY, INCORPORATED. 
          THIS ROOF HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED AS OF SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2022, BY THE ROCKET CONTRACTING COMPANY, REALIZING THAT MY HISTORIC PROPERTY WAS DESIGNED TO BE REPAIRED OVER TIME. 
          ORIGINAL WOOD FEATURES SUCH AS SHIPLAP, ROOF SIDING, TRIM WINDOWS, AND FOUNDATION PIERS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO DETERIORATION OVER TIME AS AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING COMPONENTS ARE REPLACED OVER TIME, CHOOSING AN APPROPRIATE REPLACEMENT MATERIAL IS ESSENTIAL TO PRESERVING THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF MY HOME. 
          AFTER RECEIVING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ON SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2022, THE OLD METAL ROOF WAS REMOVED, EXPOSING THE ORIGINAL SHIPLAP DECKING, WHICH A STRUCTURAL, WHICH HAD STRUCTURAL DAMAGE. 
          I'M A HEART PATIENT, SO I'M FORBIDDEN TO CLIMB LADDERS TO GO LOOK FOR MYSELF ALONG WITH THE WAVES AND THE WATER DAMAGE. 
          IT WAS AT THE TIME THE CONTRACTOR RECOMMENDED ADDING STRIATIONS TO THE STANDING SEAM FLAT PANELS IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM LOOKING THEIR STRONGEST AND THE BEST, AS WELL AS HELPING THE PANELS REDUCE OIL CADDING AND HELP FLAT OUT THE UNEVENNESS OF THE ROOF, WHICH, UH, RIB METAL HAS QUITE A FEW BENEFITS THAT MAKE IT FAVORABLE FOR HOMEOWNERS, CONTRACTORS AND ARCHITECTS. 
          HERE ARE JUST A FEW EASY INSTALLATION VERSATILITY. 
          HIGH PERFORMANCE NOTED RIB MATERIAL PANELS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PERFORM WELL IN ALL TYPES OF WEATHER AND ENVIRONMENT FROM SNOW, HAIL, AND HIGH SPEED WINDS. 
          THEY ALSO LONGEVITY DUE TO RIB METAL PANELS ABILITY TO PERFORM SO WELL THAT THEIR LIFETIME EXPECTANCY IS ANOTHER ADDED BENEFIT. 
          METAL PANELS LAST BETWEEN 40 AND 70 YEARS. 
          THAT WAS AN EYEOPENER FOR ME. 
          UNLIKE OTHER MATERIALS LIKE SHINGLES, WHICH MAY ONLY LAST 10 TO 20 YEARS, THE RIB METAL ROOF WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME WITH EASE. 
          THE POSITIVES OF HAVING THIS ROOF WOULD BE WELL SUITED FOR ENVIRONMENT WITH EXPOSURE OF HIGH HUMIDITY AND EXTREME WEATHER, WHICH WE EXPERIENCE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          FLEXIBILITY COATING WON'T CRACK OUR FLAKES RESISTANT TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES. 
          ENERGY EFFICIENT WHEN USED AS A ROOFING MATERIAL. 
          DOING SOME RESEARCH ONLINE, I FOUND THAT THE M C A TECHNICAL BULLETIN ON OIL CANNING RECOMMENDED A LOW GLOSS BAT. 
          FINISHED REDUCED REFLECT SATION ADDED TO THE FLAT PANELS, WAS ALSO RECOMMENDED BY THE BRIDGE STEEL COMPANY. 
          I SHOW YOU. 
          SHOW AND TELL TEACHER THIS IS A SAMPLE OF WHAT MY ROOF WILL LOOK LIKE. 
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THE, UH, CONTRACTOR HAD IT MOLDED AND TO THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THIS COMMITTEE FOR THE DI UH, THE WIDTH OF THE, COULD YOU PUT THIS PICTURE UP FOR ME ON THE SCREEN? OVER THE 45 YEARS, I HAVE RESPONSIBILITY MAINTAINED MY HOME AND PROPERTY. 
          HOWEVER, SINCE RETIREE AND LIVING ON A FIXED INCOME, I HAVE COME TO THE REALITY THAT MY GOLDEN YEARS HAVE NOT BEEN GOLDEN. 
          THIS IS, THIS HAS ESPECIALLY BEEN TRUE THESE PAST THREE YEARS, DEALING WITH HEALTH, PERSONAL ISSUES, C OVID 19 ECONOMY, INFLATION, CLIMATE CHANGE AND DURATION. 
          AND THE DETERIORATION OF MY HOME THIS PAST MONDAY WAS MY WORST NIGHTMARE. 
          IT RAINED NOT ONLY OUTSIDE, BUT INSIDE MY HOME, CAUSING YET MORE INTERIOR DAMAGE DUE TO NOT HAVING A FINISHED ROOF. 
          AND YOU SEE THAT SITTING ON THE GROUND WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UP THERE. 
          THERE'S ENOUGH. 
          THERE WASN'T ENOUGH PROTECTION. 
          AND MY, MY CONTRACTOR CAME OVER THE DAY BEFORE IT RAINED AND MADE SURE THAT THERE WAS, BUT THERE WAS NOT. 
          I HAD MORE DAMAGE TO MY SHEET ROCK AND HOME, WHICH I CAN'T AFFORD ANYMORE. 
          I'VE GONE THROUGH MY LIFE SAVINGS JUST TO REPLACE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE GROUND. 
          IN CONCLUSION, THE DEC THE DECISION TO REPLACE MY FORMER METAL ROOF WAS NOT AN EASY ONE TO MAKE. 
          HOWEVER, ONE HAD TO BE MADE OVER THESE PAST FEW YEARS, ONLY SO MUCH PATCHWORK AND CAULKING COULD BE STOPPING THE WATER LEAKING IN MY HOUSE, HAIL, WIND, AND DAMAGE TO MY ROOF, EXTENSIVE DAMAGE TO THE INTERIOR OF MY HOME SHEET, ROCK WALLS, FLOORS OUTSIDE ROCK AND FOUNDATION. 
          I'VE EXHAUSTED MY SAVINGS, TRYING TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR MY HOME. 
          I AM RESPECTFULLY ASKING THIS ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE TO RECONSIDER AT MY REQUEST AT APPROVAL FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THAT ROOF, THAT METAL ON MY ROOF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I ADMIRE ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR STABILITY IN STAYING THIS LONG. 
          AT ANY MEETING, I WOULD HAVE BEEN AT MANY BOARD MEETINGS AND AS AN EDUCATOR, AND GOD HELP US. 
          THESE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS, WHICH, UH, JUST I LIVE ON LAVERA BOULEVARD, WHICH IS A RETIRED NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I NOTICED ABOUT EVERYONE ON THE BLOCK AND ALL THE ELDERS AND THE FIRST OWNERS OF THE HOME. 
          I'VE KNOWN . 
          MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR PASSED AWAY AT 93, AND I HAVE GOOD STORIES ABOUT HER AND HER HUSBAND BEING THE FIRST ONES IN THAT SECTOR OF THE CITY. 
          THIS IS A PICTURE OF JESSE'S HOUSE ON THE CORNER. 
          HIS BROTHER IS A, AN ATTORNEY. 
          IT HAS A STATUARY, SERRATED ROOF. 
          THESE ARE THE LAST OF THE LAST FEW YEARS OF THE ROOFS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY ARE THE SAME SIMILAR ROOFS. 
          THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET. 
          AND BY THE WAY, MOST OF MY BLOCK ARE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, EDUCATORS, AND, UH, ADMINISTRATORS SOMEWHERE. 
          THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET. 
          SHE IS THE LI SHE WAS, SHE JUST RETIRED THE, THE LIBRARIAN AT TRINITY UNIVERSITY. 
          AND HER HUSBAND STILL TEACHES, TEACHES, UH, AT A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR, WHATEVER YOU CAN DO FOR ME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, QUESTIONS? SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER SANES? YES, MR. MR. SMILEY. 
          DOES, DOES MR. CHAMPION FROM THE ROCKET CONTRACTING, DOES HE KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT THAT METAL, UH, ROOFING IS NOT WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT WAS APPROVED ON THE C O A ON THE 26TH? UH, NOT AT THE TIME THAT, UH, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE PRIVY TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, 
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BUT AFTER HE HAD REMOVED EVERYTHING FROM THE ROOF, HE FOUND WAVES AND EROSION OF THE SHIPLAP. 
          AND IT HAS A STRUCTURE OF A SWAYED BACK HORSE, LITERALLY. 
          AND WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATION WAS, IF YOU PUT THAT PANEL, WHICH IS FLAT, BUT IF YOU PUT THESE, I, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS SUCH A TERM AS CY CY, MY TONGUE'S TIED TIGHT THAT THIS WOULD STRENGTHEN AND COVER UP OR PROTECT WHATEVER INDENTATION WAS IN THE SHIPLAP. 
          UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU. 
          AND SO I WANT THE BEST FOR MY HOME, JUST LIKE Y'ALL DO. 
          AND I, I, IF THIS IS THE BEST PRODUCT OUT THERE, INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE GROUND, LET'S PUT IT ON THE ROOF. 
          GOT IT. 
          NOW I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO IT WAS A, IT WAS AN ENGINEERING REQUIREMENT THAT HE, HE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH JESSICA SOMETIME BACK, AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT PUT THE STOP WORK ORDER ON MY HOME. 
          BUT IN REALITY, AS A HOMEOWNER, I ALWAYS HAVE PICKED THE HIGHEST QUALITY I'VE HAD. 
          I WENT THROUGH FOUR BIDS BEFORE I DECIDED ON THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR. 
          AND HE'S HONEST, HE'S BEEN AT IT FOR 14 YEARS. 
          I HAVE TO RELY ON PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE. 
          I MYSELF ONLY HAD TWO YEARS OF ARCHITECTURAL TRAINING IN THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS, AND THEN I CHANGED MY MAJOR TO EDUCATION. 
          SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT, BUT NOT ENOUGH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I HAVE TO, I HAVE TO RELY ON THE PROFESSIONALS, AND THIS IS WHAT HE RECOMMEND, THAT MY, WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE WIDTH, THIS IS A SMALLER WIDTH THAN THE ORIGINAL ROOF WAS. 
          AND HAD I'D BEEN THERE, MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY AT THE TIME THAT THE ORIGINAL ROOF WAS PUT ON IN 96, 98. 
          AND SO I WASN'T THERE TO SEE THE FINISHED PART. 
          AND I GET THE FEELING THAT THERE WAS SOME WORK THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THE ROOF DID LEAK AFTERWARDS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          SO, OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? UNLESS COMMISSIONER CERVANTES WOULD RATHER GO AHEAD. 
          CHAIRMAN, I, I HAVE, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION IF POSSIBLE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, UM, SO IS YOUR CONTRACTOR AWARE OF THE OTHER STANDARD REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR, UH, YOU HAVE THE P WIDTHS AS PER THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT, UH, I'M NOT SURE I'M HEARING YOU, SIR. 
          I HAVE A HEARING LOSS IN THIS, SIR. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY. 
          I'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE DIRECTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOT THAT DIRECTLY. 
          UM, IS YOUR CONTRACTOR AWARE OF THE OTHER STIPULATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, THAT, THAT WE'VE STANDARDLY HAVE FOR, UH, METAL ROOFS THAT IS TRUE STANDING SEA, THAT NO, UH, ROOF RIDGE TRIMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WELL, I, I, I AM MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION. 
          UH, I GOT THE WRITTEN, UH, DOCUMENT FROM JESSICA SAYING THIS, THIS, THAT, THAT HAD TO GET SPECIFIED. 
          I THINK IF YOU, THAT PICTURE OF THE, THE, THIS, THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS ON THE GROUND THAT, THAT I GUESS HE'S GONNA PUT, UH, THE DRIP, I THINK THEY CALL IT THE DRIP ON THE SIDES AND THE FINISHED PRODUCT. 
          YEAH, I GUESS WHAT MY QUESTION IS, THE HEART OF MY QUESTION IS IF WE APPROVE, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, OKAY, IT'S A HARDSHIP CASE AND WE APPROVE THE USE OF THESE STRIATED PANELS. 
          ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THESE PANELS IN THE MANNER TO WHICH THE, UH, THE C OF A C O A ORIGINAL C O A WAS REQUIRING, WHERE YOU DIDN'T HAVE PREFORMED RIDGE CAPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? IT'S A TRUE STANDING SEAM AND CRIMPED MUNCHED? I BELIEVE SO. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT A PROFESSIONAL, UH, ROOFER. 
          SO HE IS, I RELY ON HIS 14 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ROOFING. 
          HE'S HAD MANY, MANY CONTRACTS. 
          HE WAS BEEN RECOMMENDED, UH, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. 
          SO AS, AGAIN, AS A LAYMAN, I HAVE NO PERCEIVED CONCEPT OF WHAT GOES INTO THIS, BUT THANK 
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YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I I, I ENCOURAGE WHOEVER'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, GENERATING THE, THE MOTION ON THIS THAT THEY INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, RE REEMPHASIZING WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE, WHAT THE, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          I HAD HER ORIG, I HAD HER AN ORIGINAL METAL ROOF. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT REPLACING SOMETHING I DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE MM-HMM. 
           IT. 
          IN FACT, THIS ROOF, GIVEN MY NEIGHBORS THE LAST THREE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN METAL OR HAVE HAD METAL, YOU HAVE TO GO AND REALLY STARE TO FLY OUT THAT THESE ARE EVEN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE, IT'S AN ILLUSION. 
          IT IS A, IT IS AN ILLUSION THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE 'EM UNLESS YOU'RE JUST FOCUSED FROM THE CURB, YOU CAN'T SEE 'EM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN TIME THEY SEEM TO GO AWAY, BUT DUST AND WHATEVER. 
          BUT IT KEEPS THE HAIL AND, AND ALL THAT OUT OF THAT, THAT, THAT ELEMENT WHICH I WANT ON MY HOME, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, THIS ROOF WILL OUTLAST ME. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M FEET FIRST OUT THE DOOR. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? I HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THE PHOTO OF THE ROOF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE GRAYISH WITH THE RUST, PARDON ME? IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? UM, JESSICA, MAYBE, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ON NUMBER 15, IS THAT RUST THAT WE SEE? I, I HAVE A A, A BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED IT ALREADY, WHICH I THINK IS STILL GOOD. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T, OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND I HAVE A, I HAVE THE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THAT I HAVE A METAL ROOF. 
          IT WAS JUST TWO STIPULATIONS ABOUT. 
          SURE, SURE. 
          I, I, AND, AND IT BLEW MY MIND. 
          I'M GOING LIKE, ARE WE TALKING APPLES AND RES OR WHAT? THIS, THIS IS THE ROOF THAT YOU REPLACED. 
          THIS IS THE ROOF YOU REPLACED. 
          IT'S A METAL ROOF. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S, I WANNA MAKE IT A METAL ROOF. 
          I REPLACED, I WANNA MAKE, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE DETAILS. 
          UM, AND THE C O A THAT WE SAW FROM SEPTEMBER 26TH, UM, JESSICA, WERE YOU MAKING THAT SITE VISIT AS DIRECTED ON THAT C O A WHEN YOU DISCOVERED NO, THE MATERIAL ON THE STOP WORK, OR I'M SORRY. 
          EXCUSE MA'AM. 
          SHE'S ADDRESSING YOU. 
          YES. 
          UH, I WAS DRIVING BY. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS A DRIVE BY. 
          UM, I WASN'T THE CASE MANAGER FOR THIS ORIGINALLY. 
          AND NO, UH, STANDING SCENE, METAL ROOF, UH, INSPECTION WAS SCHEDULED BY THE OTHER. 
          SO NOTHING, NOTHING WAS SCHEDULED BY THE CONTRACTOR OR THE OWNER? CORRECT. 
          SO THERE WERE, THERE ARE TWO CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO A CASE HISTORY IN THE, THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, THE CONTRACTORS RECEIVED ONE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, AND DID SUBMIT THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FORM UHHUH . 
          BUT, UH, THEN THEY WERE NO LONGER THE CONTRACTORS. 
          UH, SO THE APPLICANT, THE THE OWNER APPLIED ON HIS OWN AND RECEIVED THE SAME SET OF STIPULATIONS FOR HIS APPLICATION FOR METAL ROOF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? YES, SIR. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE AS, UH, REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, WITH THE, UM, STIPULATION THAT THE CONTRACTOR, OR WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE STANDING SEAM ROOF ADHERED TO THE PROFILE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RIDGE CAP AND FOR THE, UM, THE BEND IN THE, UM, IN THE SEAMS. THIS IS IT. 
          UM, AND, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO DO THAT BASED ON THE, UM, UH, NOT BASED ON THE HARDSHIP, BUT BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED, UH, TO THIS COMMISSION INDICATING THAT THERE ARE, UH, THAT THERE IS A PATTERN OF, UH, ROOF REPLACEMENTS IN THAT VERY COMMUNITY WHERE MINIMAL, UH, UM, UH, ROOF, UH, UH, SURFACE FORM IS, UM, APPARENT. 
          UH, UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO IMAGES THAT HE SHOWED US THERE. 
          TWO. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MOTION TO APPROVE AS RECOMMEND AS, AS, UH, REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT WITH ALL DETAILS ADHERING TO STAFF, UH, TO, UH, STAFF REQUIREMENTS OR OKAY. 
          GUIDELINE REQUIREMENTS. 
          YES. 
          UH, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU MEAN BY STAFF APPROVAL. 
          THERE, THERE ARE DETAIL, UH, OKAY. 
          THE, THE ME METAL IS METAL IS METAL, RIGHT? YES, SIR. 
          THE WAY IT GOES TOGETHER, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS 
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YOU HAVEN'T COOKED TOGETHER. 
          IT'S, IT'S CALLED, I DO REMEMBER THIS, I TALKING TO ME, IT'S CALLED A SNAP METAL ON THERE. 
          IT'S EASIER TO REMOVE WHEN IT IS DAMAGED TO A PANEL. 
          HIS EXPLANATION WAS THE SNAP PANEL IS EASIER TO PUT UP. 
          WELL, AND EASIER TO REMOVE. 
          WELL, THE, THE WAY, THE WAY THAT IT WOULD BE IS THAT WE WOULD BE REQUESTING, UH, THE WAY THE MOTION WOULD READ IS THAT, THAT THAT STAFF OR THE CITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HOLD YOUR CONTRACTOR TO FOLLOWING THE STIPULATIONS REQUIRED BY THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CHASE AROUND CONTRACTOR STAFF, BUT IN THE SAME LIGHT OF DRIVING BY AND SEEING IT, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT, THAT IT'S ON NOTICE NOW THAT WHAT WE DO DO IS WHEN A CONTRACTOR COMES IN FOR THE ROOFING PERMIT THAT HAS A C O A IN FILE MM-HMM. 
          , WE ADD AN INSPECTION TO THAT PERMIT AND REQUIRE THAT THEY DO AN ONSITE WITH STAFF SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THE STIPULATIONS ARE BEING MET BEFORE THEY START AND BEFORE THEY CUT MATERIAL. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND SO I, I BELIEVE HE WAS SUBMITTING PHOTOGRAPHS AND GIVING HIM THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TELLING ME. 
          WELL SEE, THE, THE, WELL, THERE'S THAT MOTION I THINK IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING, SIR, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, WHAT THE CONTRACTOR WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL CLARIFY. 
          MY INTERPRETATION OF THE MOTION IS THAT, UM, THIS MATERIAL IS APPROVED, BUT THE COMMISSIONER WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, THE DOUBLE MUCH RIDGE SEAM DETAIL IS BEING MET. 
          UM, THAT'S NORMALLY WHAT WE STIPULATE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL, IS THAT THAT PADDLE THAT YOU, IT'S OVER HERE. 
          AND SO WE CAN VERIFY THAT WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR BEFORE HE BEGINS INSTALLATION. 
          BUT I MEAN, ARE YOU THE ONE THAT ASKED TO APPROVE THIS? SO THAT PANEL IS FINE. 
          IT'S THE SEAM WHERE THOSE PANELS MEET ON YOUR ROOF RIDGE. 
          AND SO THAT IS A DETAIL WE CAN VERIFY. 
          NO, NO, SIR. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A SEPARATE PIECE. 
          THE RIDGE CAP. 
          OH, YOU MEAN THE TOP PART? VERY TOP, YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO STAFF WILL MEET WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR PRIOR TO INSTALLATION? I, I'M SURE. 
          YEAH, I'M SURE WE HAVE DRAWINGS. 
          WE CAN SHOW HIM EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND HE CAN UNDERSTAND. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          I WOULD JUST APPRECIATE IF IT CAME OFF MY DRIVEWAY AND ONTO MY, MY ROOF. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          UH, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND APPRECIATION FOR THE, THAT, THAT, UH, STIPULATION IN THE, UH, MOTION COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          MR. CHAIR. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA. 
          NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, JUST I WANT TO THANK YOU, STAFF. 
          IF YOU, JESSICA OR COREY, JUST REACH OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS GETS IRONED OUT. 
          THAT YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? NONE, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAD TWO VOICEMAILS THAT WE DID NOT HEAR. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S THE NEXT ONE. 
          SORRY. 
          SO, UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          SINO NAY. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          . 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          ES LEFT. 
          UM, CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER NAY. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I, I DON'T MEAN TO BE PUSHING, BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO RAIN AGAIN MONDAY. 
          AND SO MY CONTRACTOR, IF YOU WOULD GET WITH, UH, JESSICA AND SHE'LL GET WORK OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE HAPPENING WITH YOUR WELL, HE CAME BY YESTERDAY AND SAID HE WASN'T GONNA BE AVAILABLE TILL AFTER THE WEEKEND, MAYBE TUESDAY. 
          SO WOULD THERE BE A, A PROBLEM WITH HIM PUTTING IT UP IF HE SHOWS UP? NO. 
          NOW AS LONG AS HE PULLS HIS PERMITS AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONFIRM THE, THE PER, WELL, I HAVE THE PERMIT THAT, THAT WAS GIVEN ORIGINALLY FOR A METAL ROOF. 
          SO THERE'S A, SIR JESSICA WILL WORK WITH YOU AND WE'LL DO IT AS FAST AS WE CAN, AS LONG AS THERE'S YOUR CONTRACTOR'S ABLE TO GET TO IT. 
          I, I WOULD APPRECIATE ALL HELL COULD BREAK LOOSE ON MONDAY. 
          AND, UH, I, MY DINING ROOM CEILING FELL. 
          I MEAN, THE SHEET ROCKED AT KACO AND, YOU KNOW, WELL, JESSICA, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH TEACHER SALARIES, BUT I I'M NOT IN THAT UPPER BRACKET. 
          , SIR, I'LL, I'LL CALL YOU TOMORROW AND WE'LL GET YOUR APPROVALS IN LINE, BUT WE WILL NEED TO MEET WITH THE CONTRACTOR. 
          OKAY? SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WORK IT OUT. 
          SO IT IT, AM I A YOU'RE APPROVED WITH THIS MATERIAL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD LUCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 21. 
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ITEM ITEM 21 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 24 2 4 CLUB DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS REPLACE, I'M SORRY, REPLACE THE REAR FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS. 
          REPLACE THE REAR FIRST FLOOR DOOR, CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY PORCH, AND RETURN THE REAR SECOND FLOOR DOOR. 
          REPLACE ONE FRONT DOOR WITH A WINDOW AND ADD A STONE WALL TO THE BACKYARD. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REPLACEMENT OF THE FIRST FLOOR, REAR FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS. 
          BASED ON FINDING C. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACEMENT OF THE REAR FIRST FLOOR DOOR. 
          BASED ON FINDING D. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY REAR PORCH AND RETURN OF THE REAR SECOND FLOOR DOOR BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT MEET ALL SETBACK REQUIRE REQUIREMENTS AS DEFINED BY U D C, SORRY FOR THAT ERROR. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, REPLACEMENT OF ONE FRONT DOOR WITH A WINDOW BASED ON FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, ADDITION OF A STONEWALL TO THE BACKYARD BASED ON FINDING G. 
          UM, THE, A APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT HE CONSENTS TO ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE OR ONE THROUGH THREE FIVE IS APPROVED. 
          UM, APPLICANT MARK RAMIREZ IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          AND THEN WE DO HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD. 
          PLEASE GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. 
          HI, I'M MARIE WILSON. 
          I'M, I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS. 
          MY IS MARK, MARK RAMIZ AND I'M THE CONTRACTOR. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, AGAIN, WHICH ONES HAVE YOU, WHICH ONES WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? SO THIS IS, UM, THIS IS WHEN I GOT THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, BEFORE I GOT IT, UH, CRACKS IN THE, IN THE MASONRY, ALL THE WINDOWS WERE, WERE DRAINED AND ROTTED OUT. 
          GLASS WAS SHATTERED. 
          AND THEN WE GOT THE APPROVAL. 
          SO I REDID ALL THE WINDOWS AND FIXED WHAT I COULD FIX WITH HARDWOOD. 
          DOUGLAS FIR REPLACED ALL THE GLASS, UM, FIXED ALL THE CRACKS IN THE, IN THE MASONRY, KEPT IT AS NORMAL AS I COULD. 
          AND, UM, THAT'S ALL I WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO REQUEST OR, UH, ADDRESS YOUR REQUEST FOR THE FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT. 
          IT'S THE FRONT DOORS THAT WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST. 
          UM, I KNOW YOU, YOU GUYS DENIED THE WINDOW BEING PUT IN ON ONE OF THE FRONT DOORS. 
          WE WERE GONNA ASK IF WE CAN DO FRENCH DOORS. 
          SO THE ARCHITECT DREW SOME PLANS OUT. 
          THERE'S ONE WITH A, A WINDOW RIGHT THERE. 
          THE LEFT ONE WILL BE A WINDOW, THE RIGHT ONE WILL BE A DOOR, AN ENTRY DOOR. 
          UM, SHE, YOU GUYS DENIED IT. 
          SO WE'RE JUST FIGURING OUT OUR OPTIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO FOR THOSE TWO DOORS. 
          I'M SEEING CONFUSED FACES. 
          SO THIS IS ORIGINALLY A DUPLEX, SO IT HAS TWO ORIGINAL DOORS. 
          THE REQUEST THAT CAME INTO US FOR REVIEW WAS TO REPLACE ONE OF THE DOORS WITH A WINDOW. 
          IT RECEIVED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AGAINST THAT. 
          AND SO I BELIEVE THEY'RE PROPOSING AN ALTERNATIVE NOW THAT IS FOR FRENCH DOORS. 
          WOULD THE BE FRENCH DOORS INSTALLED IN THE CURRENT OPENING WHERE THAT WINDOW IS SHOWN? YES. 
          WHAT WOULD THE FRENCH DOORS ACCOMPLISH THAT A SINGLE DOOR WOULDN'T DO OR THEY'RE JUST DECORATIVE? WELL, YEAH, THERE, CURRENTLY THERE IS A, UM, THE STONE BETWEEN THE TWO DOORS. 
          'CAUSE THEY WERE TWO ENTRY DOORS. 
          I THINK SHE'S PROPOSING TO REPLACE BOTH DOORS, COMBINE THE DOORS INTO FRENCH DOORS TOO LATE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD NECESSITATE REMOVING THE, SO THAT'S SEPARATING THE TWO DOORS AND TO ENLARGE THE OPENING TO CREATE A SINGLE, IT SOUNDS THAT WAY HERE, RIGHT? YES. 
          D DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU REMOVED, YOU'VE ALREADY REMOVED THE WALL BETWEEN THE TWO DOORS? NO, NOTHING'S REMOVED. 
          THE TWO DOORS ARE STILL THERE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT IF YOU PUT A FRIDGE DOOR, THEN WOULD THAT MEAN THAT THE WALL BETWEEN THE TWO DOORS WOULD BE REMOVED, WOULD GO AWAY? YES. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          SO THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET ON THE INTERIOR? OH, NO. 
          OH, MM-HMM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BEFORE WE GO FURTHER WITH THE COMMISSION, WE HAVE, UH, TWO VOICEMAILS. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS MICHELLE AND I SPOKE TO, UH, SUPERVISOR ED, I THINK IS HIS NAME. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO CALL BACK AND, AND, UH, TALK ABOUT 20 22 5 20 CASE NUMBER, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE TWO STORY PATIO THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD, 
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I KNOW THAT THERE, UH, WAS AN EXTENSION, AN OUTDOOR PATIO EXISTING THAT THE, UH, INVESTOR USED FOR INTERIOR SQUARE FOOTAGE. 
          SO THAT WAS AN ADDITION. 
          SO I, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE NOW, THEY WANNA ADD A PATIO WHEN THEY ALREADY UTILIZED THE PATIO FOR INTERIOR SPACE. 
          SO, UH, ACCORDING TO MR. ED, THAT THERE WAS NO GUIDELINES ON A SECOND STORY PATIO. 
          MY CONCERN IS THIS IS AN ADD-ON WITH AN ADD-ON, AND IT'S VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          SO NO HOUSE ON THIS BLOCK HAS A TWO STORY 10 FOOT PATIO, UH, THAT'S VISIBLE FROM A STREET. 
          AND, AND IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. 
          MAYBE IT'S NOT IN THE GUIDELINES, BUT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. 
          AND, UM, REALLY LOOKED AT FOR GOING FORWARD, UH, SEEN AS WE CAN'T HAVE SOLAR SCREENS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. 
          WHY, WHY WOULD THERE BE NO GUIDELINE FOR A 10 FOOT WIDE PATIO, TWO STORY ADDITION ADDED TO AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING HOME? UH, THAT'S MY CONCERN AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE IT. 
          INVEST, UH, RESEARCHED. 
          AND ACCORDING TO ED, THERE ARE NO, UH, GUIDELINES FOR IT. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THIS CAN PRESENT SOME GUIDELINES MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND, UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO STORY POPUPS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21 H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 5 2 4 24 CLUB DRIVE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK, UH, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. 
          WE NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY APPEARED BEFORE H D R C AND WORK WAS COMPLETED OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE CERTIFICATE, APPRO OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WAS ISSUED. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS 1, 2, 4, AND FIVE. 
          WE NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO PULL A FLOODPLAIN PERMIT FOR ANY ADDITIONS TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST H D R C TO DENY THE TWO-STORY DECK AS SUBMITTED AS IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH AMASSING OF SCALE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. 
          THE DECK IS PROPOSED TO BE ADDED TO AN UN UNSYMPATHETIC, SUBSTANDARD EXISTING TWO-STORY EDITION. 
          THE EXISTING EDITION AND DECK WILL BE MORE THAN 50% OF THE WESTERN AND EASTERN ELEVATIONS OF THIS HOME. 
          WE NOTE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ON A CORNER LOT AND HAS A HIGH VISIBILITY ON THREE SIDES OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          OTHER CONCERNS SUCH AS THE REAR SETBACKS HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          AND AT THIS TIME, M P N A WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANY VARIANCE TO ALLOW A DECK TO BE BUILT AS PROPOSED. 
          THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS. 
          DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE, THE REAR PORCH AND DECK ADDITION? UM, SO THE REAR DECK, SO ORIGINALLY IT HAD, UM, IF WE CAN BRING IT UP, IT HAD A STAIRWELL, AN IRON STAIRWELL THAT WAS ALL RUSTED OUT ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE. 
          IT WAS ALL RUSTED OUT. 
          SO WE GOT APPROVED TO TAKE IT OFF AND THEN THERE WAS A DOOR THERE. 
          I HAVE A DOOR THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I COVERED IT WITH SIDING JUST IN CASE IF I COULDN'T PUT A PORCH THERE OR ANY SORT, SO A DECK OR SOMETHING. 
          SO EVEN IF I, EVEN IF WE DO GET APPROVED FOR A DECK, THEN I COULD PUT THE DOOR BACK AND THEN IT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          AND IF NOT, NO WORRIES, NO BIG DEAL. 
          SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CROSS OUR T'S AND DOTT OUR I'S RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT WHERE DID YOU FIND DOUGLAS FIR? IN SAN ANTONIO? SO, ALLEN AND ALLEN. 
          OKAY. 
          TOP DOLLAR. 
          THAT'S THE TOP DOLLAR. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, I I IT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE WHAT, WHAT WHAT YOU WANNA HEAR. 
          I, I, UM, I, I THINK IF YOU REMOVE THE TWO DOORS, YOU'RE GONNA AFFECT A REAL UNIQUE, IT'LL A A, IT'LL BECOME A LOST CHARACTERISTIC OF, I KNOW IT'S NOT A DUPLEX ANYMORE, RIGHT? BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE SAME OBJECTIVE BY TAKING THE WALL OUT ON THE INSIDE, SEALING THE DOOR, LOCKING THE DOOR PERMANENTLY, LOCKING IT, AND JUST USING THE DOOR. 
          AND I KNOW AESTHETICALLY IT MAY NOT TAKE YOU WHERE YOU WANT TO GO, BUT IT ENABLES YOU TO PRESERVE SOMETHING ABOUT THIS HOUSE THAT, UM, OR A COUPLE OF THINGS, PARTICULARLY THE DOOR ITSELF, RIGHT? THAT, THAT YOU'RE LUCKY 'CAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THE DOOR. 
          YOU COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE DOOR WOULDN'T BE THERE, THERE ANYMORE. 
          WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, 
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IF YOU LOOK AT FROM THE FRONT THERE, YOU CAN'T SEE BEHIND THE ONE BEAM WHERE THE DOOR WHERE BEHIND THAT IS WHERE THE DOOR SEPARATED, WHERE THE CONCRETE STONE IS. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, OKAY, YOU PUT FRENCH GEORGE, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GONNA KNOW THAT WE REMOVED THE STONE BEHIND IT 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT, YOU KNOW? AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT THE THING IS THAT IT, IT'S JUST MY, MY PERSONAL TRAINING WOULD TELL ME THAT IT'S GONNA SOUND DUMB, RIGHT? BUT THAT THE HOUSE KNOWS MM-HMM. 
           AND, AND YOU REALLY MORE WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE HOUSE LEADS YOU, YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF WHEN YOU LEAD THE HOUSE, YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING IN THE WAY OF THE HOUSE'S, UH, THE HOUSE'S. 
          TRUE CHARACTER COMMISSIONER. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL TO, TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          SO I WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, ASK THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER THAT MR. CARPENTER. 
          UM, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT MR. VELASQUEZ IS SAYING THERE, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT IS SO UNIQUE ABOUT PARTICULARLY CLUB DRIVE IS THAT IT DOES HAVE A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE OF DUPLEXES ALONG THERE THAT, AND THAT INTRODUCED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, A ECONOMIC MIX HISTORICALLY WHERE YOU HAD KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WORKING CLASS FOLKS HERE AND YOU GO OVER ON THEM. 
          MARY LOUISE, YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNERS THERE AND ATTORNEYS AND DOCTORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          CHRISTIAN, YES. 
          SO, UM, I, I'VE JUST NOT, I'M SORRY, I WENT INTO A STATEMENT ON THAT BECAUSE I, I REALLY WANTED TO JUST COMMENT ON THAT, TO FOLLOW ON THAT, BUT I HAVE NO QUESTION ABOUT THIS. 
          I THINK THE, THE, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE AND APPROVED IS WHAT WE SHOULD STICK WITH. 
          AND I DO WANT TO COMMENT THAT YOUR STONE RESTORATION WORK WAS VERY GOOD. 
          SORRY, CHAIRMAN FOR DEVIATING FROM THE FORMAT, DON'T POWER WASH. 
          IT'S, IT'S CALLED A SOFT WASH. 
          A SOFT WASH. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE DID. 
          YES. 
          ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I MOVE, UH, FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE, TWO, FOR, AND FIVE. 
          I AGREE WITH THE TWO PEOPLE THAT CALLED IN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THAT'S A HIGHLY VISIBLE CORNER BECAUSE OF THE CURVE IN, IN WILSON STREET THERE. 
          AND THIS WOULD BE AN EX EXTREMELY EXPLO EXPOSED ELEMENT, UH, THAT ISN'T HISTORIC TO THE, UH, TO THE STRUCTURE. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          MOTION IS SECOND. 
          SO, DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, UH, NO COMMENT. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I, I SHARE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED, UM, ALSO FROM THE CALLERS ABOUT THE, THE, UM, THERE'S TWO STORY REPORT, SO THAT, THAT STILL CONCERNS ME. 
          SO, UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE I SIT AT ON THE MOTION AT THE MOMENT, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY COMMENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? WELL, ALSO, I THINK THEY BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE SETBACKS. 
          IT'S A VERY RESTRICTED BACKYARD AS A RESULT OF THE, OF THE CUR CURVATURE OF THE, OF THE ROAD THERE. 
          SO I THINK IT'D BE VERY, UH, CHALLENGING TO ACHIEVE THE, THE, THE SETBACKS AND HAVE THAT CONSTRUCTED IN THERE AS WELL. 
          SO I, I'M EVEN SURE IT'S GONNA FLY OR CUT MUSTARD WITH OTHER PEOPLE. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO? NO FURTHER COMMENTS. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, JUST ON THAT, ON THAT DOOR. 
          I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH  IT PROBABLY KIND OF FEELS WEIRD, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S WHAT, WHAT PRESERVES SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE SOME, A PLANTER ON THAT DOOR THAT'S NOT USED, YOU KNOW, A STANDING, YOU KNOW, STANDING. 
          SO IT'S THERE, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA LOOK, HEY, THE ORIGINAL DOOR'S THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT PLANTS OR SOMETHING SERVING A PURPOSE OR SOME SORT OF DECORATIVE THING THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, COVERS THE DOOR, BUT STILL KEEPS IT THERE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WELL, J JUST TO, TO THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I, I, UM, LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OF HOUSES OF A VERY HIGH INTEGRITY, YOU HAVE YOURSELF A JAM. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT, WHEN THE HOUSE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND, AND YOU LET IT, YOU GO WITH IT, IN THE END, YOU'RE GONNA REALLY APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          IF, IF I HAD AN OPTION, I WOULD SPEND MORE TIME ON THE BACK PART OF IT AND TAKE THAT TO A LEVEL WHERE IT'S OF THE SAME INTEGRITY OF AS THE HOUSE AND THE THING WILL JUST BEGIN TO SPARKLE. 
          SO, UM, GOOD LUCK IN THE PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY YOU DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT IT. 
          UH, ABOUT THE DOOR THING? NO, I DON'T FEEL BAD. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I WOULD AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, KEEPING THE TWO FRONT DOORS IS A VERY STRONG CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND, UM, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
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AYE. 
          SERINA? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM 22. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          ITEM 22 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 13 400 CLUB DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING, EXISTING METAL CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOWS AND TO REPLACE THE WOOD GARAGE DOORS WITH AN ALUMINUM PANEL. 
          GARAGE DOOR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE METAL CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE NEW, THE WINDOWS FEATURE TREE DIVIDED LIGHTS WITHOUT FALSE MUONS, THAT THE NEW WINDOWS RETAIN THE EXISTING WINDOW DIMENSIONS, THAT THE PROMINENT LENTILS OVER FIRST STORY WINDOWS BE RETAINED. 
          WHERE THEY'RE FOUND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD GARAGE DOORS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A WOOD PANELED GARAGE DOOR THAT CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES. 
          AND THE APPLICANT, PAUL, UH, SARITA, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL TOO, AND WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          EVERYONE, UM, SORRY, I SPEAK IN, UH, ENGLISH A LITTLE. 
          UM, WE HAVE INTERPRETER. 
          I DON'T HAVE AN INTERPRETER. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          FINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THE HONOR THE BEHALF. 
          YES. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          VERY PEOPLE HERE. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S A LONG TIME HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, FOR HAVING US HERE. 
          THE REASON THAT WE ARE HERE IS TO ASK YOU IF, IF YOU COULD APPROVE THE CHANGE AT THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS IN THE PROPERTY THAT I'M REQUESTING. 
          THE REASON WHY WE'RE PRE, UM, REQUESTING THIS IS BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS WINDOWS WERE CUT IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY COULD BE OPEN TO BE USED AS TO LET THE AIR COME IN INSTEAD OF AIR CONDITIONING. 
          THEY DIDN'T EITHER HAVE THE, THE REQUESTED, UH, OPERATOR OPERABILITY THAT THE CITY REQUESTS LIKE OPENING AND HAVE THE GREAT, UH, GOOD VENTILATION, THE ISOLATION AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE THREE BASIC, UH, REESES TO REQUEST THIS REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS, THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROPERTY, SECURITY AND ECONOMY FOR THE PROPER, THE, THE OWNER. 
          WHY AESTHETICS? BECAUSE THE, THE PROPERTY IS SO BEAUTIFUL THAT THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE, FOR THE WINDOWS TO MAKE THEM WORK PROPERLY. 
          THE SAFETY OF THE WINDOWS, THERE'S, THEY WERE OPEN. 
          THERE'S NO WAY FOR, FOR US TO HAVE THEM CLOSE. 
          AND FINANCIALLY, THE, THE SUGGESTED, UM, UH, WINDOWS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HAVE ISOLATION. 
          THEY HAVE A PROPER WAY OF CLOSING THEM AND LOCKING THEM. 
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AND FINANCIALLY THAT'S, UM, BETTER. 
          THE PROPOSED WINDOWS THAT WE ARE, UM, CHOOSING ARE, UH, ALUMINUM. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE, THE SUGGESTIONS OF TO COVER THESE WITH WOOD. 
          WE JUST INVESTED, UH, $11,000 TO BUY THE WINDOWS ACCORDING TO THE MEASUREMENT SO THAT THE WHOLE PROJECT IS, UM, CONSISTENT AND, UM, NICE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT. 
          WE DID THIS PROJECT AND WE, UH, CHO CHOSE THESE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE, OUR NEIGHBOR, UH, UM, ON THE OTHER STREET USED THOSE WINDOWS ALREADY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE REQUESTING FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF OUR PROPOSAL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR OUR, YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL? YES. 
          THIS IS REGARDING H D R C, ITEM NUMBER 22. 
          CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH FIVE THREE. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR, BUT REQUEST AN ONSITE VISIT AS THE SAME STIPULATIONS WERE PREVIOUSLY ISSUED AND NOT FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT. 
          WE DO NOT FEEL THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THE NECESSARY INFORMATION TO JUSTIFY THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL WINDOWS. 
          WINDOWS WERE DISCARDED AND REMOVED, AND THE WINDOWS FROM THE REAR ADDITION, WHICH WERE DEMOLISHED, WERE NOT SALVAGED. 
          UM, ALSO NO NEW PRODUCT INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA EXECUTE THE SPECIFICATION AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE HOPE THAT YOU MOVE THIS TO AN ONSITE MEETING TO DISCUSS ALL THE WINDOWS AND ALSO EVALUATE WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE PROPERTY. 
          THANKS SO MUCH FOR, UH, RECEIVING OUR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. 
          I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, UM, WHETHER THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT AS THINGS COME UP DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PRO PROCESS AND THE SITUATION CHANGES FROM WHAT YOU GET RECEIVED, APPROVALS ON THE PROCESS MEANS YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO O H P AND REVIEW THOSE CHANGES BEFORE JUST PROCEEDING. 
          DOES, DOES THE APPLICANT UNDERSTAND THAT? YES, THERE'S A COUPLE ISSUES HERE. 
          ONE OF, OF PROCESS AND THEN ONE OF THE ACTUAL MATERIALS. 
          AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS THINGS COME UP AND THEY DO DURING CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY IN HISTORIC CONTEXT, THAT IF THE RULES CHANGE, YOU GOTTA GO BACK AND GET NEW, YOU KNOW, NEW DIRECTIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          CAN HE SAY, CAN HE ANSWER SOMETHING? UH, YES. 
          UH, HI, MY NAME IS ADRIAN GARCIA. 
          I'M THE, THE OWNER. 
          UH, THE, THE REASON I MEAN IS THAT, UH, WE GOT, UH, A C O A, UH, AND I'M, AND I'M QUOTING HERE, THAT SAYS, UH, UH, ADDITION ROOFING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE PAINTING, WINDOW REPLACEMENT FENESTRATION CHANGES. 
          SO, UH, I THINK IT WAS THE, UH, THE, WE HAD A CONFUSION THAT, UH, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD THE, THE PERMISSION TO, TO ALSO CHANGE WINDOWS AT THE FRONT, UH, SIDE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND THEN, UH, UH, THE, UH, WE, UH, THEY LET US KNOW THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THE PERMISSION THAT WE HAD WAS ONLY FOR THE NEW ADDITION. 
          SO IT WAS LIKE A, WELL, A MISTAKE FROM OUR, FROM OUR END, BASICALLY. 
          BUT, UH, AS, AS THE CONTRACTOR SAYS, UH, UH, WE ARE USING THE, THE, THE SAME WINDOWS THAT WE ALREADY HAD APPROVED. 
          UH, AND ACTUALLY THEY, WELL, UH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY LOOK IT, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE, UH, THE SAME WINDOWS ON THE BACK AND ON THE FRONT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
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QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          YES. 
          HAVE, HAVE Y'ALL SEEN THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE ADDITION, THE WINDOWS THAT THEY'VE, THAT THEY HAVE, THE WINDOWS THAT THEY HAVE TO REPLACE. 
          THEY HAVEN'T SENT A SPECIFIC PRODUCT THEY'VE PROPOSED IN ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW. 
          'CAUSE IT, IT, IT WOULD JUST SEEM THAT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO KNOW THAT THAT WHAT WINDOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST WHAT WINDOW IS SPECKED, BUT WHAT WINDOW THEY'VE ALREADY PURCHASED. 
          I HAVE, I HAVE ANY, THE SPECIFICATIONS HERE IS THE PLAY AGAIN, I'M SORRY, I  PLY GEM 300 SERIES, SINGLE HUNG RECTANGULAR. 
          IS THAT A WINDOW THAT MEETS YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, UH, REQUIREMENTS? UM, MR. CHAIR, ONLY ASK BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THAT'S MATERIAL TO THE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, ANY CONVERSATION, UH, SINCE THIS IS NEW MATERIAL TO STAFF, I, UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO HAVE A SITE D R C AND MEET WITH THE OWNER AND THE CONTRACTOR ON SITE. 
          HAVE THIS INFORMATION, UH, READY TO REVIEW. 
          IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE WINDOWS OR ON, UH, PURCHASED, UH, WE COULD LOOK AT THE WINDOWS AS WELL. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. 
          I'LL SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS? AYE. 
          SAV? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          MAZUA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          BANES? YES. 
          I'M FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT, UH, MEETING ON SITE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE HOUSE AND, AND WHAT'S, WHAT YOU'RE GOING ON THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          STAFF, CAN YOU COORDINATE WITH THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN OBSERVING THIS WORK, PROGRESSING, PROGRESSING AND ARE A CONCERN THAT IT'S GONE OUTTA SCOPE. 
          SO THEY WOULD PROBABLY WANNA BE PRESENT AT THE SITE VISIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU.
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