* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] [00:00:20] FETZER HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. UM, NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO MENTION OUR ONGOING DECONSTRUCTION TRAINING THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR THE PAST FEW WEEKS, AND WE'LL CONTINUE INTO NOVEMBER. UM, SO IT'S OUR DECONSTRUCTION CERTIFIED CONTRACTOR TRAINING. UM, THE TRA THE TRAINING PROVIDES SKILLS AND HANDS-ON DECONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING TOOLS, WORK SITE, ORGANIZATION, ASSESSING MATERIAL CONDITIONS, EVALUATING MATERIALS FOR REUSE AND REUSE BUSINESS OPERATIONS. AND ALL OF THIS IS IN PREPAR PREPARATION FOR THE LAUNCH OF, UM, UH, CITYWIDE DECONSTRUCTION AS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE BEGINNING JANUARY 1ST. UM, SO THERE ARE A FEW SPOTS LEFT FOR CONTRACTORS, UM, FOR THE LAST COHORT IN NOVEMBER. UM, SO THAT'LL BE BEGINNING, UH, NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE. UM, AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN BECOMING A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR, YOU CAN VISIT SA REUSE.COM/TRAINING TO FILL OUT AN INTEREST FORM AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. UM, FOR COMMISSIONERS, I WILL SAY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN COMING OUT AND SEEING THE SITE, UM, IT IS, IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, THIS ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE. UM, THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS BEING PULLED FROM THESE BUILDINGS IS EXCEPTIONAL. UM, AND THERE'S MULTIPLE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING DECONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THIS TRAINING. SO, UM, THE, THE, THE TRAINEES ARE ACCOMPLISHING QUITE A BIT OF WORK, UM, IN JUST A FEW DAYS TIME. UM, AND SO THE FIRST HOUSE, I BELIEVE, IS COMPLETELY DOWN IN ABOUT, UH, SEVEN WORKDAYS. UM, AND THAT'S WITH ABOUT A CREW OF SIX TO SEVEN TRAINEES AS PART OF THAT CERTIFICATION. SO, UM, WE HAVE DEMOLITION CONTRACTORS, JUST REGULAR GENERAL REPAIRS, CONTRACTORS, ALL OF THEM INTERESTED IN, UM, LEARNING THIS, UH, THIS NEW FIELD AND, UH, TECHNIQUE AND APPLYING THAT TO THEIR OWN BUSINESSES. SO IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. AND WITH [Approval of Minutes] THAT, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST BUSINESS ITEM, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES, UH, FROM OCTOBER, SOMEONE NINE 19TH. 19TH. YEAH. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR OCTOBER 19TH, 2022 AS SUBMITTED. I SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROB AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND ZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] OKAY. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, IT'S GONNA BE ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN. ITEM EIGHT IS GONNA BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY AT THE REQUEST OF THAT APPLICANT. [00:05:01] UM, SO AT THIS POINT, HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE VOICEMAILS FOR ANYTHING, RIGHT? CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A FEW LETTERS IN YOUR PACKET FOR YOU TO REVIEW. UM, BUT OTHERWISE, UM, THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS A SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. S AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRU AYE. ANTE? YES. AND ZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. WELL, EDWARD'S GONNA READ THE, OH, WELL, SORRY. READ THE ADDRESSES FOR THOSE. YEAH, GO AHEAD EDWARD. SORRY. GETTING A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF MYSELF. UM, IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS FOUR 10 LEE 2 41 WEST LINWOOD, 5 44 HAMMOND, 8 0 2 NORTH PINE ONE 30 AND 1 34 WIX, TWO 19 ADAMS AND ONE 19 EAST CRAIG PLACE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H D R C CASE, 2022 DASH 5 35 3 0 4. SADIE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL CARPORT WITH A WOOD CARPORT AND A NEW LOCATION. TWO, MODIFY THE REAR LANDSCAPING AND THREE, REPLACE THE EXISTING GABLE VENTS ON THE FRONT FACADE AND WEST ELEVATION WITH FIXED WINDOWS. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CARPORT REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE PITCH OF THE PROPOSED GABLE ROOF FORM AND THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE CARPORT AND CARPORT OPENING. UPDATED DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A. ITEM TWO. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE INSTALLATION OF ARTIFICIAL, THAT THE APPLICANT LIMITS THAT INSTALLATION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF TO THE REAR YARD SURROUNDING THE PROPOSED VOLLEYBALL COURT AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A. AND ITEM THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE GABLE GABLE VENT MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, UM, FOR FULLY WOOD WINDOWS AND SUBMIT THEM TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A AND THE APPLICANT. AND PROPERTY OWNER O OMAR GONZALEZ IS WITH US IN PERSON AND THEY CONSENT TO STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. AND WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST FOR THE INSTALLATION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF AS SUBMITTED. I GOTTA HOLD IT DOWN. OKAY. YEAH, NO PROBLEM. THANKS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A, WE'RE A CITY OF DROUGHT, SO I MEAN, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT, UH, 2022 IS THE DRIEST YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD IN HISTORY. UH, A LOT OF THE FORECASTERS SAY THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE, UH, AS YOU ALL KNOW, 'CAUSE WE ALL LIVE HERE. THE STAGE TWO RESTRICTIONS RESTRICT YOU FROM WATERING ONE TIME A WEEK. [00:10:01] UM, THE SA TOMORROW SUSTAINABILITY PLAN RECOMMENDS LOW WATER USE IN LANDSCAPING AND, UH, AND, AND, AND HERE'S A PICTURE OF A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE JUST REALLY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO KEEP LAWNS AND TO KEEP THEM LOOKING GREEN, ESPECIALLY, UH, IN THE DROUGHT CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE IN. SO, UM, SO TURF HAS ADVANCED A LONG WAY. UM, AND, AND IN FACT, THE ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS EIGHT TIMES MORE PERMEABLE THAN KIND OF YOUR STANDARD KIND OF PUNCHED HOLE TURF. UM, IT IS FULLY REVERSIBLE, IN FACT, AT THE END OF ITS LIFE, WHICH, UH, IT'S, IT IS WARRANTED FOR 15 YEARS AT THE END OF ITS LIFE, IT IS ACTUALLY RECYCLABLE. UM, AND THEN IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. IT WOULD ONLY BE IN THE AREA THAT'S BEHIND A SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVACY FENCE. UM, IT IS SUSTAINABLE IF, IF, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF THE, THE, THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE USE LESS WATER IN A CITY THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS MORE WATER. UM, I THINK THIS IS A, A GREAT WAY TO, TO, TO KEEP SOMETHING THAT LOOKS GOOD YEAR ROUND. UH, AND THEN IT'S ALSO AN AREA FOR, FOR DOGS AND KIDS. AND SO, UH, UH, I, I, I MENTIONED OURS. THERE ARE SOME OTHER EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN FACT, THERE'S ONE THAT HAS IT IN A FRONT YARD, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. UM, AND THEN THERE IS ONE THAT'S SIMILAR TO OUR CONDITION IS BEHIND A, A PRIVACY CARPORT. SO WHEN THE CARPORT'S OPEN, YOU CAN SEE THE TURF IN THE BACK, BUT FROM THE PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE AND FROM THE STREET PERSPECTIVE, YOU'D NEVER KNOW THAT IT WAS THERE. AND, UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR, OUR PRESENTATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND WE DO HAVE FOUR VOICEMAILS AND WE CAN PLAY THOSE NOW. OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS CALEB ERIDGE. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 5 3 5 LEE STREET AND I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AT 3 0 4 SADIE STREET. UM, I'M A RESIDENT OF LAVACCA AND I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF A NEIGHBOR USING SEND LAWN IN THEIR BACKYARD. THANKS. HI, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA MACIAS. I LIVE AT 8 0 1 LABOR STREET. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT AT 3 0 4 SADIE STREET. UM, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT I, I'M A RESIDENT OF LAVACCA AND I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH A NEIGHBOR OF MINE UTILIZING ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THEIR BACKYARD AREA. YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CALL ME BACK AT TWO ONE. UM, YES. I THINK ARTIFICIAL GRASS IS, UM, AMAZING , SO PLEASE, I VOTE WE YES FOR HER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BYE-BYE. HI, MY NAME IS ELLEN PIT BLACK. THAT'S E L L E N. MY LAST NAME IS P LIKE IN PETER. I T LIKE IN TOM, L U K I LIVE AT 3 0 3 LEE STREET, WHICH IS SPELLED L E I G H. AND SAN ANTONIO VISIT CODE IS 7 8 2 1 0. I'M CALLING TO SUPPORT THE REQUEST FOR ARTIFICIAL TURF AT ITEM NUMBER 8 3 0 4 SADIE STREET. I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M A HOMEOWNER IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE TO SAY, BECAUSE OF THE DRY, UM, THE DRYNESS THAT WE HAVE AND WA YARD WATERING RESTRICTIONS, A LOT OF DIRT FLIES UP IN THE AIR AROUND HERE. I KNOW BECAUSE OF MY BACK PORCH. AND TO HAVE ARTIFICIAL TURF WOULD PROBABLY BE IN MY MIND A GREAT IDEA, UH, SINCE A HOMEOWNER IS WILLING TO PUT IT IN. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF AN AIR QUALITY ISSUE, FRANKLY. UM, ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS A SIX FOOT FENCE ALONG THE SIDE YARD. UM, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE REST OF US WOULD SEE WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT THE HOMEOWNER, UH, THE GONZALEZ ARE WILLING TO PUT IN ARTIFICIAL TURF AND IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH AIR QUALITY AND IT WILL LOOK NICE. THAT'S MY 2 CENTS. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. HI, MY NAME IS SARAH BRENNAN AND I LIVE AT 3 27 FLORIDA STREET IN LAVACCA. AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, 3 0 4 SADIE STREET. I'M A RESIDENT OF LAVACCA AND I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH A NEIGHBOR OF MINE UTILIZING ARTIFICIAL TURF IN THE BACKYARD, JUST BEHIND THEIR SIX FOOT PRIVACY SYSTEM. AND MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO. [00:15:01] AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER SANTE. SO WERE YOU GOING FIRST JUST TO WANNA MAKE SURE I I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER. I'M GONNA ASK IT ANYWAY. WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT DOWN DOES NOT CUT INTO ANY CONCRETE SIDEWALKS OR ANY PERMANENT STRUCTURE. THERE'S NO BUILDING, IT'S JUST, YOU'RE JUST ROLLING IT OUT, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? JUST A A QUICK QUESTION. SORRY. UH, CHAIRMAN, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN ON THE MAP THERE, UM, HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED DOING ANY PLANTING ALONG THE, THE, UH, I GUESS WHAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE PLANNED WEST, UH, SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND, UM, ALONG THE, THE SOUTH SIDE AS WELL? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE, UH, PLANNED, UM, PLANTING TO OCCUR ALONG THE, UH, THE FENCE LINE, BUT I'M JUST KINDA LOOKING AT IF YOU, IF YOU HAD ANY BEDS PLANNED UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE TREES THERE NEAR THE HOUSE. SO, UH, NOT, NOT CURRENTLY PLANNED. UM, IT'S, UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT VERY, UH, GREEN THUMB ORIENTED . UM, AND SO WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING, UM, THAT REQUIRED A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AND, UH, AND, AND, AND WATER. BUT, UM, IT EASILY BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE WILLING TO DO. IF YOU THINK THAT PUTTING PLANTS CLOSER TO THE STRUCTURE, UM, WOULD BE MORE AMENABLE. WELL, IT'S, IT'S A, I THINK MY, MY DECISION ON THIS ISN'T HINGED ON THAT. IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION AS A WAY TO BRING SOME LIVE PLANTS INTO THAT AREA AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ARTIFICIAL TURF. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE, THE GATE PLACEMENT IS, IS SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, IT COULD, IT COULD BE MOVED OVER TO CREATE SOME MORE, UH, PLANTING BED SPACE. BUT, UM, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE SO NICELY LAID OUT AND FRAMED. I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE A WAY OF, OF FINDING A COMPROMISE HERE WITH STAFF TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL PUT SOME LIVE PLANTING BEDS IN THERE AND, AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, ARTIFICIAL TURF. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE OTHERWISE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THE ARTIFICIAL TURF BE, UM, APPROVED FOR AROUND THE SPORTS COURT AREA. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. UM, THE PRODUCT YOU'RE USING FOR YOUR TURF, WHAT IS, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT IS MORE PERMEABLE THAN PREVIOUS, UM, PRODUCTS. WHAT IS THE, UM, PERMEABILITY PERCENTAGE OR INFILTRATION RATE OF YOUR PRODUCT ON THE, UH, SPECS THAT THE, THAT THE ARCHITECTS SENT US? IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT. IT, IT, IT JUST SAID THAT IT WAS EIGHT TIMES MORE PERMEABLE THAN THE, UH, TRADITIONAL PUNCHED HOLE TURF SYSTEM. OKAY. AND DO YOU OR STAFF HAVE A NUMBER FOR THE, ASSUMING THIS IS, WE'LL CALL IT IMPERMEABLE OR SEMI-PERMEABLE, WHAT THE OVERALL COVERAGE OF IMPERMEABLE IS ON THE PROPERTY? WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS COVERED WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN PLANTING? DO I, ALL I HAVE IS IT'S, UH, ABOUT, UH, UH, A LITTLE UNDER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OVER THE HALFWAY MARK. AND THAT'S FOR THE, UH, TURF OR IS THAT FOR THE HOUSE AND THE TURF AND THE VOLLEYBALL AND THE DRIVE? JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH WE'RE COVERING. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. IT, I THINK IT'S THE WHOLE AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. WELL, I JUST, MAYBE JUST TO JUMP ON THAT QUESTION. I, I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU'RE ASKING FOR IMPERMEABLE AREA, RIGHT? SO THE TURF WILL, WILL BE PERMEABLE. AND WHAT IS THE MATERIAL OF THE VOLLEYBALL COURT? IT'S THAT, UH, RUBBER MESH. SO THEY BOTH WOULD HAVE LIKE A COMPACTED SOIL UNDERNEATH IT SO THAT IT COULD MAINTAIN ITS PERMEABILITY. SO IT'S PERMEABLE TOO? IT IS, YEAH. I'LL DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. AND, AND BASICALLY THE MOTION IS, IS, UM, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE AND THREE WITH STAFF STIPULATION AND ITEM TWO AS, UH, PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN REVERSIBILITY, IT'S BEHIND THE FENCE AND I DO, I MEAN, I FEEL PRETTY, UM, MADE A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS ALSO IMPORTANT. AND, UM, I HAVE NOW SEEN THIS NEW TYPE OF TURF AND ACTUALLY JUST CAME FROM THE AR GAL AND THEY HAVE REDONE THE WHOLE LAWN WITH THIS IMPERMEABLE TURF AND I WAS ACTUALLY VERY IMPRESSED BY IT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY REASON FOR SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. [00:20:01] SABINA? AYE. IT'S CARPENTER. AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NINE HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, UH, AND COMMISSIONERS JUST AS AN F Y I. WE DID HAVE, UH, VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NINE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANT TO HEAR IT, UH, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS POSTPONED, UM, IF NOT, MOVING ON. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, H D R C. CASE NUMBER 20 22 5 0 8. UH, 1 0 5 THROUGH ONE 13 BROWN ALLEY AND FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT SIX MULTI-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOTS ADDRESSED AS 1 0 5, 1 0 7, 1 0 9 1 11, AND ONE 13 BROWN STREET AND FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE LOTS ARE BOUNDED BY BROWN STREET TO THE SOUTH NORTH, MESQUITE TO THE EAST AND BROWN ALLEY TO THE NORTH. EACH OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL FEATURE BETWEEN APPROXIMATELY 29 AND 32 FEET IN HEIGHT. A PREVIOUS PROPOSAL AT THIS LO LOCATION WAS APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION ON OCTOBER THE SECOND 2019. SINCE THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY OWNER DESIGN TEAM AND APPLICANT HAVE CHANGED. ADDITIONALLY, THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND APPROVED DUPLEX STRUCTURE HAS BEEN SEPARATED INTO TWO SEPARATE STRUCTURES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH W STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FROM STAFF. ONE THAT ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE, INCLUDING PORCH AND ROOF ELEMENTS, FEATURE A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN THOSE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH FOR 13 NORTH. MESQUITE IS NOTED IN FINDING E TWO THAT THE PORCH AND ADDITIONAL THAT PORCH AND ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT RELATE TO ENTRANCE ELEMENTS BE INCORPORATED INTO EACH DESIGN IS NOTED IN FINDING I THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATE WAYS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHTS OF THE FIVE INTERIOR STRUCTURES SUCH AS THE LOWERING OF PLATE HEIGHTS AND REDUCTION IN ROOF PROFILE IS NOTED IN FINDING J FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT IN INCORPORATE WAYS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED ON NORTH MESQUITE IS NOTED IN FINDING K FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING ALL FOUNDATION HEIGHTS IS NOTED IN FINDING L FIVE SIX THAT ALL WINDOWS FEATURE PROFILES AND PROPORTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DIGNITY WITTY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING N AND THAT ALL WINDOWS SHOULD HAVE EQUAL SASHES SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED FOOTPRINTS TO BE NO LARGER THAN 50% OF THE LIGHT AREAS NOTED IN FINDING O EIGHT. THE PRO PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE AND TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT. A C CRIMPED RICH SEAM IN A STANDARD GAL BALLOON FINISH IN A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP. AN INDUSTRIAL RIDGE CAP IS NOT TO BE USED. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING IF INSTALLED USING COMPOSITE MATERIALS, SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES WIDE AND BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A QUARTER INCH WIDE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT COLUMNS SHOULD BE INSTALLED THAT ARE SQUARE IN NATURE AND THAT DO NOT MIMIC HISTORIC DORK COLUMNS. NINE, THAT WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH SAV STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. AS NOTED IN FINDING P 10 THAT THE PROPOSED ATTACHED GARAGES BE ELIMINATED AND PARKING IS NOT FOUND INTERNAL TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, EXCUSE ME, AS PARKING IS NOT FOUND INTERNAL TO THE FOOTPRINT OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOUND WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND 11 THAT THE APPLICANT COORDINATE WITH PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED FOR B BROWN ALLEY TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT SITE DESIGN AND VEHICULAR ACCESS TO EACH LOT. ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING DRIVEWAYS AND DRIVEWAY APRONS, INCLUDING DIMENSIONS. UH, THE APPLICANT RICARDO MCCULLOUGH IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL NOTE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UH, AN UPDATED DOCUMENT SET, UH, THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF STAFF'S COMMENTS. UM, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO REFER TO THOSE, UM, PLEASE ASK. UH, BUT IF NOT, I'LL ALLOW RICARDO TO COME UP NOW. UM, ALSO IF NEEDED, UM, STAFF IS WILLING TO WALK THROUGH EACH OF STAFF'S COMMENTS, UH, IF THAT WOULD HELP, UH, MOVE THE DISCUSSION. SO WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE. YES, THE APPLICANT IS HERE. UM, AND AFTER THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL TURN THIS ONE OFF. OKAY, RICARDO MCLA, I'M THE, UH, PROJECT DESIGNER. I HAVE BEEN, UH, DONE [00:25:01] PRESENTATIONS BEFORE, UH, TO THIS COMMITTEE. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT THEN WE WENT IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ROUTE FROM THE WAY IT WAS, UH, DESIGNED FROM THE BEGINNING. SO WE WENT BACK TO SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE MORE OFTEN IN DIGNITY HILL. GO BACK TO THE TYPICAL ARCHITECTURE, UH, AND HEIGHTS OF THE HOUSE AND TYPE OF WINDOWS AND MATERIALS AS FAR AS FINISH HOUSE AND SO FORTH. UH, MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AS EDRA. JUST, UH, PROBABLY MENTIONED. THE ONLY ONE COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS WE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, THE INTERNAL PARKING SPACES AS FAR AS GARAGE WE HAVE IN EACH HOUSE. EXCEPT FOR ONE, WE HAVE, UH, UH, SINGLE CAR GARAGES. ONE OF 'EM ARE OVERSIZED, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP 'EM, EVEN THOUGH THE TYPICAL HOUSE IN DIGNITY HILL DOESN'T HAVE INTERNAL PARKING SPACES, UH, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IT'S, IT'S TO BE ADDRESSED. AS FAR AS MATERIALS TODAY WE'RE DOING WITH A BUILDER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING, UH, THEIR SAMPLES OF WHAT IS GONNA BE USED. AND BESIDES THAT, IT'S, I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. YES. I'LL, I'LL PLAY THAT AT THIS TIME. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ. I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DNE WOODY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 0 8, LOCATED AT FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE AND 1 0 5 1 13 BROWN ALLEY. WE, WE AGREE WITH O H P STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, THOUGH THESE LOTS ARE ZONED I D Z. THE DESIGN OF THESE HOUSES JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT ZONING SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. THE HEIGHT OF THESE HOUSES SHOULD DEFINITELY BE REDUCED. EVEN TWO STORY HOUSES WOULD OVERWHELM ALL OF THE SINGLE BUNGALOW HOMES ON DAWSON AND NORTH. MESQUITE BROWN STREET IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR ONLY ONE CAR TO DRIVE DOWN IT AT A TIME. AND BROWN ALLEY IS EVEN MORE NARROW. IT IS NOT AS WIDE AS WHAT IS DEPICTED IN THE PLANS. PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PICTURES OF BOTH BROWN STREET AND BROWN ALLEY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW NARROW BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS ARE. THE WEST SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT RUNS INTO THE PARKING LOT THAT IS NOW OWNED BY VELOCITY, TEXAS, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT FOR ANYONE THAT LIVES IN THESE UNITS AND THEIR VISITORS. IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE FOR ANY VISITORS TO PARK EXCEPT ON NORTH MESQUITE STREET. MAYBE THE DEVELOPER CAN CONSIDER REDUCING THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS DOWN TO TWO. THIS WOULD PROVIDE ENOUGH SPACE TO BUILD STRUCTURES THAT MEET HISTORIC GUIDELINES AND STILL PROVIDE A YARD AND PARKING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR VISITORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MR. MCCULLOUGH, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE CITIZEN COMMENTS? WELL, I'M NOT SURE THEY, THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, DESIGN ON MINE SIDE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE REFERRING TO YOUR DESIGN. YEP. OKAY. UH, WELL, UM, HOW ABOUT WE, UH, START IN ON THIS? UH, SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UM, I CAN READ OFF EACH OF STAFF'S COMMENTS, UM, AND CAN EITHER REFER TO WHAT IN THE PACKAGE WE REVIEWED OR I CAN GO TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED. UM, I'LL LET YOU ALL CHOOSE. HOWEVER, THE SUPPLEMENTAL PACKAGE IS NOT REF LIKE OUR COMMENTS DON'T REFLECT, UH, THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED. SO, UM, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF HE'S ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY THE, UM, NO, BUT I, WE COULD LOOK TO SEE OKAY. FOR CERTAIN ELEMENTS. SO, UM, HOW ABOUT WE DO THAT? YES. SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION, FOUR 15 NORTH MESQUITE, INCLUDING PORCH AND ROOF ELEMENTS, FEATURE A SETBACK GREATER THAN THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH. UH, SO, UH, HERE'S A, AN OVERALL GENERAL SETBACK DIAGRAM THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE, THE ANGLE OF THE SATELLITE IMAGE, UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL WITH ANY SPECIFIC UH, NOTION. BUT, UM, RICARDO, YOU'VE PROVIDED THIS DIAGRAM, UH, WHICH NOTES A SLIGHTLY DEEPER SETBACK AND YOU'VE NOTED A HEIGHT THAT IS TO MATCH THAT OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE, IF I'M CORRECT. UH, AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL SETBACK DOCUMENT THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED FOR THIS INDIVIDUAL STRUCTURES CONSTRUCTION [00:30:01] DOCUMENT, SET NOTES, A SETBACK THAT IS GREATER THAN THAT OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. UH, SO I THINK THIS IS MAYBE SOMETHING THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, CONSISTENCIES NEEDED ACROSS THE BOARD. UH, BUT RICARDO, ARE YOU, UH, CONFIRMING THAT YOU WILL INDEED THAT THIS STRUCTURE WILL FEATURE A SETBACK THAT'S GREATER THAN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES? YES. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, MOVING ON, THAT ADDITIONAL PORCH AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT RELATE TO ENTRANCE ELEMENTS BEING INCORPORATED INTO EACH DESIGN. UH, SO THE APPLICANT HAS BEGUN TO DO THIS, UM, AT PREVIOUSLY, UH, THE PREVIOUS DESIGN FEATURED, UH, STOOPS OR JUST SMALL INSETS THAT DIDN'T RESEMBLE THE MASSING OF PORCHES FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UM, THE APPLICANT'S BEGUN TO ADD, UH, SOME PORCH ELEMENTS. I THINK THIS IS AN ITEM, UH, THAT MAY NEED TO HAVE COMMISSION DISCUSSION. UM, I THINK IT MAY FLOW SMOOTHLY IF I GO AND NOTE THE ONES THAT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS CLEARLY ADDRESSED. UM, THAT WILL ONLY LEAVE US WITH A HANDFUL OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. UM, SO, UM, FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. SO ITEM NUMBER FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT CONFIRMED CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES REGARDING ALL FOUNDATION HEIGHTS. UH, THIS WAS SIMPLY, UH, A, A NEED FOR ANNOTATION ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED A MINIMUM FOUNDATION FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF 12 INCHES. UM, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, UM, FOOTPRINTS THAT ARE NO LARGER THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA. UM, RICARDO, I KNOW THAT YOU PROVIDED, UH, INFORMATION ON THAT PREVIOUSLY. UM, SO STARTING AT THE WEST, THIS STRUCTURE AS YOU'VE NOTED HERE, IS A 49% LOT COVERAGE. UH, AND THESE ARE JUST THE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS. NOW THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY PAVEMENT OR CONCRETE OR SITE OR FLAT WORK ON SITE. THE SECOND STRUCTURE, 50%, THE THIRD STRUCTURE, 44%. THE FOURTH STRUCTURE 44%, THE FIFTH STRUCTURE 50%. AND THE STRUCTURE THAT IS TO FRONT NORTH MESQUITE 50%. UM, RICARDO, DO YOU AGREE WITH THE METAL ROOFING SPECIFICATIONS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS? YES, SIR. UM, AND THEN PREVIOUSLY YOU ALL HAD NOTED, UH, THAT YOU WOULD USE WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. I THINK YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT SPECIFICS ON THAT. STILL THE CASE. MM-HMM. . OKAY. UM, ITEMS 10 AND 11, UH, RICARDO JUST NOTED THAT, UH, SO I THINK WHAT I WILL DO IS, UM, ALSO WINDOWS THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES. UM, I THINK THERE WAS A COUPLE OF, UM, WINDOWS THAT, THAT YOU MAYBE JUST HADN'T UPDATED AS FAR AS THEIR, UH, PROPORTION SIZES LIKE THESE RIGHT HERE, UM, WITH THE EQUAL SASH COMMENT. UM, BUT I BELIEVE ALL OTHER ONES THE SASHES APPEAR EQUAL. UM, THERE ARE A FEW WINDOWS COMMISSIONERS THAT FEATURE, UH, ATYPICAL SIZES. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INTRODUCED, UH, A SASH WINDOW IN THOSE LOCATIONS. UM, HOWEVER THAT SASH MAY FUNCTION, UH, HORIZONTALLY INSTEAD OF VERTICALLY AS IS TYPICALLY FOUND ON A HISTORIC HOUSE. UH, SO, UH, UM, I'LL TRY TO HIGHLIGHT THE ITEMS THAT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED. UM, AND THEN THAT'LL LEAVE US WITH FIVE OR SO FOR DISCUSSION. SO ARE YOU EDITING EDITING THIS RIGHT NOW? UH, EDWARD? YES, I'M HIGHLIGHTING. I'M OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS ITEMS THAT ARE NOT HIGHLIGHTED ARE THOSE, UM, THAT LIKELY NEED TO BE DISCUSSED HERE. SO DOES THAT CHANGE WHAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED? DOES NOT CHANGE YOUR RECOMMENDATION THEN, OR ARE YOU CHANGING THE RECOMMENDATION PENDING THE, THE CHANGES HERE FROM 2 3 4? UH, WELL, SO 10 11, THE ITEMS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED, UM, THE ADD THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED INFORMATION TO SATISFY THOSE. UM, I GENERALLY THINK BASED ON THE PROJECT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED HERE, THAT FUNDAMENTALLY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED IF ITEM ELEVEN'S NOT ADDRESSED. UM, SO NO, THIS DOESN'T CHANGE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, THERE'S STILL HALF OF THE ITEMS STILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT THE, THE ITEMS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED DON'T NEED TO BE DISCUSSED [00:35:01] BECAUSE THOSE HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. SO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? YEAH. COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY ITEM 11. HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS ALSO FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO PREVIOUSLY THE PROJECT AT, AT THIS LOCATION AS WELL AS TWO OR THREE OTHERS WITHIN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WHERE THERE'S AN UNIMPROVED ALLEY AND THE APPLICANT IS BUILDING MULTIPLE ADDRESS STRUCTURES ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UH, THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE ACCESS FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, SPECIFICALLY A FIRE ENGINE. UH, IF IT'S A CERTAIN DISTANCE PAST THE HOSE THAT'S AT THE STREET. UH, SO IN THAT CASE IT'S UPON THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE DEVELOPER TO IMPROVE THE ALLEY. UM, AND SO IF YOU REMEMBER IN SOME CASES THAT WE'VE REVIEWED IN THE PAST, THERE'S BECOME A DISCUSSION OF WE HAVE TO REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSES OR DO WE INCORPORATE FRONT YARD SPACE INTO THAT PAVED 25 WIDTH OR 25 FOOT WIDTH SPACE. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED, UH, WITH BOTH PUBLIC WORKS AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO DETERMINE, UH, TO WHAT EXTENT THE ALLEY NEEDS TO BE PAVED. PREVIOUSLY WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS REVIEWED, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD TO WORK THROUGH WITH OTHER CITY OFFICES. UM, AND THERE HAVE BEEN PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS SIMILAR TO THIS, UH, THAT ARE ON A PUBLIC ALLEY WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO PERFORM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ALLEY, BASICALLY PAVE THE ENTIRE ALLEY. NOW IF BECAUSE BROWN NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH AND BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION FROM VELOCITY TEXAS, IT PROBABLY WON'T NEVER BE ABLE TO GET THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IF, ARE YOU, HAVE YOU ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ABOUT IT? YEAH, WE HAVE. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE, THE CLIENTS, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, THEY DO HAVE A BUDGET SET TO IMPROVE THE ALLEY. BUT, UH, GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS OF THE, THE, THE COLOR IS, IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SEE PHYSICALLY RIGHT THERE THAN WHAT'S ON PAPER. THE ALLEY ACTUALLY IS WIDER ON PAPER THAN WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE, UH, AS FAR AS FROM FROM SURVEYS. AND SO IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT IMPROVED. IT, IT'S A, IT'S A DIRT ROAD RIGHT NOW, BOTH OF THEM. BUT FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE, IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN, THAN WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE POSSIBLE? YEAH, WELL WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED YET, BUT, BUT THE OWNERS ARE WORKING ON THAT AND LIKE I SAID, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE TO AS SOON AS THEY GET APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND, AND TAKE CARE OF IT. AND, AND IT'S NOT OUR PREVIEW. I'M SORRY. I THINK, UM, LET'S SEE IF IT THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE, THERE'S STILL TIME. YOU, YOU STILL HAVE TIME? IT'S JUST THAT TOM DROPPED OFF. I KNOW IT'S NOT A PURVIEW OF WHAT'S BEING BUILT NEXT TO IT, BUT WHERE WOULD IT BE THE BUILDING IF YOU CAN SHOW THAT ON THE SCREEN? WHERE WOULD THE VELOCITY BUILDING BE OR WHERE IS IT AT? SO ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS MENTIONED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MENTIONED, I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, UH, ON THE BLOCK, UH, TO THE WEST OF NORTH CHERRY STREET. IT WOULD BE FACING BROWN ALLEY. UH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ADAPTIVE, I, LET ME, I I'LL PULL UP A STREET VIEW. THAT MAY HELP. PAGE NINE. I'M SORRY, PAGE EDWARD. DO YOU KNOW WHICH, WHICH PROPERTY IS THEY'RE REFERRING TO FOR THIS, UH, OTHER DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? I'LL NEED TO LOOK AGAIN, BUT I, I, I, I JUST KNOW THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, IT IS BOXED IN RED HERE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA. UM, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UH, TO THE SOUTHEAST. YOU SEE HERE. UH, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH CHERRY. UH, AND THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE HERE AT THE, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS BLOCK. UM, THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED OR THAT'S ON THE AGENDA STOPS, UH, IT'S SHOWN HERE, WERE MARKED. UM, I'M NOT FOR SURE IF THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO IMPROVE THE ENTIRE ALLEY ALL THE WAY TO NORTH CHERRY OR TO THE, TO THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY OR PARALLEL WITH THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE, YES SIR. QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, I KNOW THIS [00:40:01] HAS BEEN ZONED I D C, UH, SORRY, I D Z UH, BUT HAS THE PROPERTY ALREADY BEEN PLATTED FOR THE SIX LOTS? YES, SIR. SO IT'S, IT'S CONFIGURED LIKE THIS? CORRECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. UM, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL WIDTH OF BROWN ALLEY? THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE WIDTH OF BROWN ROAD STREET. OKAY. I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER THE, THE, OKAY. WHERE DO WE FIND THAT? I'M SORRY? WHERE WOULD WE FIND THAT? IT, UH, SHOULD BE NOTED ON THE SURVEY. IS THERE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SURVEYS FOR, 'CAUSE WE, THE, UH, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LOT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, OF, OF BROWN ALLEY, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA USE THAT ONE 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S SUPER SMALL. ACTUALLY THE ORIGINAL, UH, PROPOSAL WAS TO DO JUST A CARPORT ON THAT LOT 'CAUSE IT'S THAT SMALL. BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SERVICE, WHICH I DON'T THINK PART OF THE PRESENTATION RIGHT. TO ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S TO, IF IT'S SAYS WIDTH OR THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. WHICH I'M NOT SURE. SOMETIMES THEY DO SAY SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. YEAH. BUT FOR BOTH THE STREET AND THE ALLEY, YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T RECALL RIGHT NOW WHAT THAT WIDTH IS? YEAH, NO. EVEN IF I TELL YOU I'M LYING 'CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY SURE . YEAH, DON'T DO THAT. THANK YOU . OKAY. UM, SO THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE NOT HIGHLIGHTED HERE, UH, ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW OR ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT NOW. UM, DO YOU FEEL THAT ITEMS, UH, THREE AND FOUR, WHICH TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, IS THERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE? WHERE WE'RE THOSE BUILDING HEIGHTS COULD BE LOWERED? WE ACTUALLY ADDRESSED THAT ALREADY. UH, IN MOST OF THE PLANTS THERE WERE 10 FOOT CEILINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WE LOWER THEM TO NINE. UH, I AM, I DID SOME TRICKS ON THE ROOFS TO DOING PONY WALLS ON THE EXTERIOR WALLS TO BRING THE, THE ROOF ITSELF DOWN CHANGED THE, UH, THE ROOF PITCH OF A COUPLE OF THE, OF THE PROJECTED HOUSES TO BRING HIM DOWN A LITTLE MORE. UH, BUT IF THIS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO TRY TO BRING HIM DOWN EVEN MORE, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO THAT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. STAFF STAFF'S PRIMARY CONCERN IS, UM, TRADITIONALLY AND PREDOMINANTLY STRUCTURES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT ARE ONE STORY IN HEIGHT. UH, TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT ARE FOUND, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY STRUCTURES ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT. UH, VERY RARELY DO YOU SEE HOUSES THAT HAVE TWO FULL STORIES AND THEN AN OCCUPIABLE THIRD FLOOR. I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A TOTAL OF 10 WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UH, AND THESE ARE VERY LARGE STRUCTURES. UH, SO PROPORTIONATELY, UH, THE HEIGHT THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS ATYPICAL FOR WHAT'S FOUND. UM, I BELIEVE IN ONE OF STAFF'S FINDINGS, WE NOTE THAT, UH, THE LOCATION OF THESE STRUCTURES DEAD CENTER AT THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK, UM, MAY ALLOW FOR SOME INCLUDED HEIGHT OR ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA PERCEIVE THE HEIGHT AND MASSING OF THESE STRUCTURES FROM THE STREETS LIKE YOU WOULD IF THE SETBACK WAS ONLY 15 OR 20 FEET. UM, HOWEVER, UM, TYPICALLY WE DON'T SEE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT'S FROM THE GROUND TO THE RIDGE LINE OF BETWEEN 30 AND 34 FEET. UH, SO THAT'S PRIMARILY OF WHAT'S CONCERNED FROM STAFF. UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO REDUCE THE HEIGHTS OR FIND WAYS TO REDUCE THE HEIGHTS, THEN THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS, IS RECOMMENDING. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE APPLICANT HAS EXPLORED ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HE BELIEVES HE CAN DO THAT, THEN THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE. WELL, THE QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, THE GUIDELINES SAY IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE ONE STORY ABOVE, UH, PREDOMINANTLY HISTORIC STRUCTURES. SO IF THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY ONE STORY, THEN WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A MAXIMUM OF TWO STORIES FOR THE STRUCTURES. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT STAFF INTERPRETS THE GUIDELINES. UH, IF THERE WERE HISTORIC TWO STORY STRUCTURES AROUND OR ON THESE BLOCKS, THEN UM, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO VISIT THAT. UM, HOWEVER, UH, THIS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BASED ON OUR INTERPRETATION OF THE GUIDELINES AND COMMISSION CAN REVIEW THIS AND FIND, UH, THAT ALL STRUCTURES SHOULD BE REDUCED TO TWO STORIES OR IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL HEIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. UM, SO WHAT'S, CAN YOU TELL US, AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T THE ARCHITECT ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE APPROVED A PROJECT FOR THIS IN [00:45:01] 2019, APPARENTLY. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. WE APPROVED A PROJECT FOR THIS, THESE LOTS IN 2019. YES. DO YOU REMEMBER IF, IF WE TAKE THAT DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DON'T REMEMBER IT CORRECTLY, BUT SOME OF THE HOMES WERE JOINED. SO REGARDING THESE STIPULATIONS, LIKE THE HEIGHT AND THE GARAGE, AND IF WE ADDRESS THOSE STIPULATIONS BACK IN 2019, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D BE WILLING TO COME BACK TO AND MAYBE SAY, WE'LL JOIN TWO OF THE HOMES TO MAKE SPACE FOR EITHER DETACHED GARAGES OR LOWER THE OH, WE DID NOT ADDRESS THAT. WELL, ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THEN WAS THAT THEY SEPARATE THE DUPLEX STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO THAT'S, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY RICARDO IS PRESENTED THESE. UM, ULTIMATELY, UH, STAFF STIPULATION, I BELIEVE 10, WHICH INCLUDES THE INTERNAL PARKING, UM, IF THE INTERNAL PARKING WAS REDUCED. AND I UNDERSTAND FROM A PROGRAMMATIC PERSPECTIVE, UM, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT VEHICLES ON SITE, BUT IF THE INTERNAL PARKING WAS REDUCED, THAT RE WOULD REDUCE THE ENTIRE HEIGHT OF EACH STRUCTURE BY APPROXIMATELY ONE FLOOR. UM, AND WOULD THEN ALLOW FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S MASKED MORE CONSISTENTLY WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT HE'S GOT A DIRECTION THAT HE NEEDS TO DESIGN IN. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS. MR. CHAIR, I'LL TRY A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. YES, MA'AM. AND, AND BASICALLY MY MOTION IS I FEEL LIKE EVEN THOUGH, UH, MR. MCCULLOUGH THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO, AND YOU SAY YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND ALL THAT, I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION, THESE ARE KIND OF LIKE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS. I DO AGREE. WE HAVE RECENTLY APPROVED SOME PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN LIKE TWO AND A HALF STORY OR THREE BECAUSE IT'S THE MESQUITE, THE HOUSE THAT'S FACING MESQUITE I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. I THINK IT'S, AND SINCE THIS WON'T BE VISIBLE, THEN I SAY WHEN MY MOTION WILL BE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THEN RECOMMEND, UH, THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH ALL THE REVISED EDITS TO THE, ALL THE STIPULATIONS SO WE CAN GET STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR D R C. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY. MOTION FAILS. DO WE HAVE A NEW MOTION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, MOVE THIS CASE BE DIRECTED TO A D R UH, YET TO A DESIGN, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING AT THE NEAREST CONVENIENT TIME. I'LL SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO SEND THIS TO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. UM, ANY COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, SURE. UM, FIRST OF ALL, MR. MCCULLOUGH, THE DESIGN CHANGE OF ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS AND STYLE I THINK IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE, UM, WHAT YOU'VE DONE THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE TAKING CUES OFF OF THE EXISTING VERNACULAR HOUSES AND EVEN THE STYLIZED HOUSES. SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT. UM, MY QUESTION, MY CONCERNS, AND THIS MIGHT HELP PREPARE FOR A D R C, IS THE LARGER PICTURE OF THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND THE SITE PLAN. I ASKED ABOUT THE RIDE OF WAY FOR THE ALLEYS AND THE ROADWAY BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND HAVING A SITE PLAN TO START OFF THAT SHOWS ALL OF THAT, SHOWS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SURRENDERING OR ABANDONING FOR AN EASEMENT FOR A A FIRE LANE. I THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE. UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING IN, UH, WITH THE D R C ON A CASE THAT IS A MULTIPLE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OF THE FEATURES ON THE GROUND HAVE CHANGED DIMENSIONALLY. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS MEAN? AND IT COULD COST SOMEBODY, UM, A PRETTY PENNY TO HAVE TO REPAIR. SO WE'RE, I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID DOING THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID HAVING YOU TO BE IN THAT PRE PREDICAMENT. AND, UM, ALSO GOING TO THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE, THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED CASES LIKE THIS WHERE WE'VE ABANDONED PART OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR RIGHT OF WAY. AND ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS IS PRETTY MUCH COMPLETE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S 3 2, 1 NORTH HACKBERRY. AND I WOULD INVITE EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY, VERY NARROW ACCESS ROAD, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU ABANDON AND YOU HAVE TO PAVE IT. AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE THE COLUMN OF THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE ON THE PAVING ON THE ROADWAY? AND WHAT DOES THAT DO? SO I, I WOULD BE VERY SUPPORTIVE FOR A D R C. SO WE CAN ALL TAKE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT, UH, SOME NEW CASE EXAMPLES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND NOW AND TO, SO THAT YOUR PROJECT COULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL. [00:50:04] UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. APPRECIATE IT AND I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE STYLISTIC LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE USING, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL CHOICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK FOR ME IT'S JUST THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, SINCE THEY'RE, UH, CALLING FOR THREE STORY STRUCTURES AS A RESULT OF HAVING TO TUCK IN THE INTERNAL, UH, PARKING GARAGE THAT'S SHOVING EVERYTHING UP A, A FLOOR. SO I THINK EXPLORING IDEAS OF, UH, HALF STORIES AND DORMERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BEGIN TO PULL DOWN THAT THIRD STORY. UM, AND LOOKING AT MAYBE, UH, A COUPLE OF THESE ONLY BEING TWO STORIES AND AS, AS, UH, MR. HALL MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE IS SOME TOLERANCE FOR A THREE STORY STRUCTURE THAT'S AT THE MID-BLOCK, BUT SCALING IN, STEPPING DOWN IN SCALE AS YOU, AS YOU APPROACH THE, UH, THE THE HISTORIC EXISTING STRUCTURE THERE. I, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DEVELOPED AND PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS, UH, THREE AND FOUR BEFORE I CAN BE SS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. SO I, I THINK THAT'S WHY I, I COULDN'T SUPPORT CONCEPTUAL 'CAUSE THE CONCEPT ISN'T THERE FOR ME YET ON, ON THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, PIGGYBACKING OFF TO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID. I THINK WHEN YOU COME TO D R C, IF IT GETS APPROVED, DEFINITELY WORK OUT THE OUTSTANDING FEATURES. YOU'VE GOT SOME, SOME PROBLEMS HERE OR SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL CASCADE. YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, NUMBER NUMBER 11, IF YOU DO HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO, UH, TO, TO BROWN ALLEY, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY ENCROACH ON YOUR PROPERTY. THAT HAS GONNA IMPACT, THAT'S, UH, HOW THAT'S GONNA LOOK AND SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS THERE. SO JUST KIND OF, UH, IRON OUT THE DETAILS SO THAT WHEN YOU COME TO H D R C, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALREADY ADDRESSED, RIGHT? ALL THAT STUFF IS IRONED OUT AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY MADE, I KNOW YOU DID A FEW OF 'EM ALREADY, BUT JUST, JUST COME, COME PREPARED AND I'M SURE AT, UH, EDWARD CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. BUT THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRUB, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? COMMISSIONER GIBBS? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT UM, 'CAUSE MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY BY, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, SAVINO AS WELL AS, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. SO I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN ALREADY STATED ARE MY CONCERNS AS WELL. SO, UM, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTES? YES. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAFF WILL GO WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. AGENDA ITEM 11, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 31. UM, ADDRESS, 2031 WEST WOODLAWN AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO PAINT THE STRUCTURES, TRIM BODY PORCH, RAILINGS AND DOOR, UH, TO PERFORM PORCH AND PATIO REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE WITHIN KIND MATERIALS. AND THREE, REMOVE AND REPLACE 25 WOOD WINDOWS WITH AND REPLACE THEM WITH VINYL FRAMED DOUNG WINDOWS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, EXTERIOR PAINTED OF THE STRUCTURES TRIM BODY PORCH, RAILING AND DOOR BASE ON FINDING D. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER TWO OF THE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF PORCH AND PATIO, UH, WITHIN KIND MATERIALS BASED ON FINDING D STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE REMOVAL OF 25 WOOD WINDOWS AND REPLACEMENT WITH VINYL WINDOWS. BASED ON FINDING E UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED. UH, B, IF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS ARE NOT AVAILABLE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT SAL SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE HOME WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HIS EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERNS AND SEE WHERE SALVAGED WINDOWS ARE USED. THE WINDOWS MUST BE FULLY WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARDS, UM, STAFF STANDARD FOR WINDOW SPECIFICATION AND SUBMIT FINAL WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF OR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. WOOD WINDOWS SHOULD FEATURE AN INSET OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY. MEANING RAILS MUST BE NO TALLER THAN 1.5 INCHES AND CELLS NO WIDER THAN [00:55:01] 2.25 WHITE MANUFACTURER COLOR IS NOT ALLOWED AND COLOR SELECTION MUST BE PRESENTED TO STAFF. THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF TWO INCHES IN THE DEPTH BETWEEN THE FRONT FACE OF THE WINDOW TRIM AND THE FRONT FACE OF THE TOPS WINDOW SASH. THIS MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY RECESSING THE WINDOW SUFFICIENTLY WITHIN THE OPENING OR WITHIN THE INSTALLATION OF THE ADDITIONAL WINDOW TRIM AND ADD THICKNESS. WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND ARCHITECTURE, APPROPRIATE SEAL DESIGN. WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING PHOTO DIVIDE. LIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED AND THE APPLICANT LINDA SEK IS VIRTUAL AND THE HOMEOWNER, TANYA BROWN, IS HERE IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M NERVOUS. OKAY, SO I PURCHASED THIS HOUSE, UM, LAST SEPTEMBER. EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? YOU CAN, YOU CAN. IS THAT BETTER? A LITTLE LOUDER. I THINK WE'RE USING THE LOWER MIC TODAY. I CAN JUST HOLD IT LIKE THIS. SORRY FOR THAT. LOOK FOR THE GREEN LIGHT. GOT IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I PURCHASED THIS HOME LAST SEPTEMBER. UM, LITTLE SORT OF GET STARTED, YOU KNOW, IN THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC WITH CONTRACTOR SITUATIONS AND ET CETERA. UM, BUT HIRED A CONTRACTOR TO START WORK AND SLOWLY BUT SURELY STARTED MAKING PROGRESS. THE WINDOWS THAT I'M HAVING AN ISSUE WITH ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, IF YOU GO BACK TO, AT THE TIME THAT I PURCHASED IT, ALL THE WINDOWS WERE COVERED. COULDN'T TELL THAT THEY WERE DYSFUNCTIONAL, BUT AS WE GOT INTO THE PROJECT, NOTICED THAT THEY WERE NOT OPERATIONAL. AND SO ONE, I'M A REALTOR, TWO, I'M A CONTRACTOR, WELL NOT A CONTRACTOR, BUT I HAVE A BUSINESS. AND SO WITH THAT, HAVING REGRESS AND THEM BEING FUNCTIONAL IS IMPORTANT TO ME. UM, AND BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOUSE, I THOUGHT TO TAKE CARE OF, YOU KNOW, KEEPING WITH WHAT'S IN TREND. AND BEFORE I PURCHASED IT, I DROVE THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA, WHICH I ABSOLUTELY LOVE AND PICKED THAT HOME BECAUSE OF WHERE IT IS AND THE STYLE OF IT. SO WHAT I HAD MENTIONED TO MY CASE MANAGER IS I WANTED TO LOOK EXACTLY HOW IT'S STYLED. I WANT TO KEEP THE SAME TRIM PATTERN, THE SAME SIDING PATTERN, ALL OF THAT, JUST UPDATE THE, UH, PAINT COLOR TO, THERE'S A TWO-TONE GRAY, UH, PAINT COLOR THAT I'VE SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL. UM, BUT WITH, WITH REGARD TO THE WINDOWS, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY PURCHASE NEW WINDOWS UNTIL JUNE, MAY AND JUNE OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN THAT WORK BEGAN. UM, SO I'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, PER MY CONTRACTOR, THOSE HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND INSTALLED AND I'VE SPENT MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THAT. AND SO NOW THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS AN ISSUE, EVEN THOUGH I SEE THE SAME WINDOWS THAT I SUBMITTED A LIST OF AT LEAST 20 OTHER ADDRESSES IN THAT SAME SECTION, UM, I NOW KNOW IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE NON-REFUNDABLE , I'M ASKING FOR SOME GRACE, UM, THAT I CAN MAINTAIN THE WINDOWS AS INSTALLED, BUT STILL HAVE THEM LOOK EXACTLY HOW THE HOUSE LOOKED UPON PURCHASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. BELIEVE YES, WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. I'LL PLAY IT NOW. YES. THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. ADDRESS 2 0 3 1 WEST WOODLAWN, H C R C, CASE 2 0 2 2 5 3 1. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO AND I'M OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE APPRECIATE INDIVIDUALS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THE HOMES WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE NOTE THE CASE COMMENTS STATE THE PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION AS THE WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY WILL REPLACED WITHOUT THE OWNER OBTAINING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND ALSO THEY DID NOT OBTAIN A CITY PERMIT WITH THE DEPARTMENT. THE CONDITION OF THE PRIOR WINDOWS IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR O H P NOR H D R C TO EVALUATE WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, TWO, AND THREE FOR THIS CASE. [01:00:01] THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. OKAY. UH, DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER GRUBE? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. ARE ANY OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS STILL ON PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM. CAN I ADD A COMMENT? OH, YES MA'AM. UM, SO I DID HIRE A CONTRACTOR WHO I THOUGHT HAS ALL THE PAPERWORK IN ORDER. SO I'M LEARNING IN THIS PROCESS THAT THAT WAS NOT IN PLACE. SO NOT THAT IT'S MY PERSONAL CHOICE TO NOT ABIDE BY THE RULES. SO TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT PULL A BUILDING PERMIT? I THOUGHT ALL PERMITS WERE PULLED AS APPROPRIATE WITH THE PROJECT AS I CONTRACTED THEM TO DO AND HAVE PAID SUBSTANTIAL DOLLARS FOR. OKAY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA? UH, YEAH. IS YOUR CONTRACT WITH THAT CONTRACTOR COMPLETED OR IS HE STILL ON THE PROJECT? HE IS STILL ON THE PROJECT PENDING THIS OUTCOME OF THIS PRO OF THIS MEETING. OKAY. SO HE'S STILL MY CONTRACTOR. OKAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION, SORRY. YES, COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, SO IF WE LOOK AT THE WINDOW PLAN, I SEE ON THE PICTURE SOME OF THE WINDOWS SIZES WERE MODIFIED. I MEAN I'M SURE YOU HAD TO MODIFY MOST OF THEM BECAUSE THE VINYL SIZES JUST DON'T FIT AND THE ORIGINAL FITTINGS, WERE THERE ANYTHING THAT, WAS ANY OF THESE WINDOWS THAT YOU SEE UP ON THE PLAN MODIFIED SEVERELY? LIKE THE SIZE, LIKE GONE HALF OR? NO. SO I WALKED THE PROPERTY WITH HIM TO CREATE THIS DRAWING. UM, AND FROM WHAT I'M TOLD, MAYBE ONE INCH OR AN INCH AND A HALF, IT'S VERY MINOR FOR, FOR WHERE HE SHOWED ME. BUT AS YOU SEE, THESE ARE THE ORIGINAL SIZES. WHAT'S MISSING? THERE IS A TRIM THAT USED TO BE SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE. I THINK I SAW ONE PICTURE WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE HALF OF THE WINDOW WAS BOARDED UP. SO, UM, LET'S GO TO PAGE SEVEN. UM, NEXT TO THAT SIDE DOOR RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER, THOSE TWO WINDOWS LIKE THAT, WHAT, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY MODIFICATIONS IN THE SIDING THERE OR OPENING N NO, THAT SPACE WAS ACCESSED FOR PLUMBING. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO AND DENIAL OF ITEM THREE BASED UPON STAFF'S FINDINGS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A SECOND DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH. UM, THE APPLICANT IS CORRECT. THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES ON WOODLAWN THAT HAVE THE VINYL WINDOWS, BUT SOME OF THOSE WENT IN, I THINK, UM, KIND OF SURREPTITIOUSLY AND UH, WITHOUT APPROVALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S BECOME A REAL PROBLEM UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND, AND UM, I AM HOPING THAT YOU CAN FIND SOME RELIEF FROM YOUR CONTRACTOR SINCE THEY DID NOT DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO TO GET YOU THE PERMITS AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. AND THAT WOULD'VE, UH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A FLAG ON THE FIELD, SO TO SPEAK FOR THEM IF THEY WERE PROPOSING VINYL WINDOWS IN THIS, IN THIS CASE. AND SO, UM, I'M HOPING YOU CAN FIND RELIEF FROM THEM. I KNOW THAT I WILL NOT. IS THERE ANY OTHER OPTION BESIDES, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT RETURNABLE, SO THERE'S SIX GRAND THAT I'VE BASICALLY GOTTA THROW IN THE TRASH IF I HAVE TO REMOVE THEM. SO I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER SELL THEM 'CAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY STANDARD SIZES. I'M, I'M SURE, UM, OR IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE, YOU CAN DON DONATE THEM TO, UM, LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND GET A, A TAX RIGHT OFF ON THAT. BUT, UM, I, I, LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN A PRETTY PERVASIVE PROBLEM ON PARTICULARLY ON WOODLAWN. AND, UM, WE NEED TO SEND THE MESSAGE OUT TO FOLKS THAT, HEY, YOU NEED PERMITS, YOU NEED TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO COMMENTS. UM, SURE, YEAH, I'LL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. PART OF, UM, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE CONTRACTOR TAKING THE INIT INITIATIVE TO DO THE WORK WITHOUT THE, UH, PERMITS. AND SO I, I FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR AND HAVE HIM OR HER TAKE RESPONSIBILITY ALSO BECAUSE IT IS ULTIMATELY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PULL THE PERMIT, I MEAN, UM, WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE WORK. SO, UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXPLORE WAYS TO DO THAT IN [01:05:01] ADDITION TO, UM, TO SOME OF THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER QUESTION . SURE. SO IN SEEKING, LIKE YOU'RE MENTIONING A REMEDY OR A SOLUTION OR, OR AN APPROACH TO THEM, CAN YOU MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO ME FOR THAT REGARDING THE, UM, UH, UH, WELL, CONTRACTOR COULD DO A FEW THINGS. UM, IF YOU COULD GET YOUR CONTRACTOR TO COME BACK, TAKE 'EM OUT, MAKE HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, MAKE HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR RELOCATING HISTORIC WINDOWS OR PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, FINDING AN APPROPRIATE WOOD WINDOW. HE SHOULD BE YOUR PARTNER OR SHE BE THE PARTNER IN THIS KIND OF A PROJECT. AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A D R C OR ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH STAFF COULD HELP YOU WITH THAT. ALSO, JUST TO, TO ADD ON TO THAT, YOU SAID YOU'RE A REALTOR AS WELL. YEAH. AND SO YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS, YOU KNOW THAT THERE OUGHT TO BE, UH, PERMITS PULLED AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND UM, AND SO I WOULD JUST REMIND YOUR CONTRACTOR THAT YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS AND THERE'S SOCIAL MEDIA OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LET THEM KNOW IF THEY, IF THEY, THEY DON'T TREAT YOU RIGHT ON THIS AND STEP UP AND, AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THEM. WELL, I THINK THEY'RE WATCHING VIRTUALLY VERSUS BEING IN THE ROOM WITH ME TODAY. SO, OKAY. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. JUST ECHO, UM, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE WINDOW PLIGHT. I, I I, I'M MORE LENIENT ON THE WINDOWS, BUT, UH, IF YOUR CONTRACTOR IS STILL AVAILABLE, AND IF HE'S LISTENING, IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE CLEAR, THE GUIDELINES ARE CLEAR. UM, YEAH, THAT'S IT TO GROUP. YEAH. UH, TWO THINGS. ONE IS I WANNA REMIND OUR COMMISSIONERS WHERE OUR PURVIEW IS AND WHAT TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN GIVE IN, IN A PUBLIC FORUM. AND THEN ULTIMATELY IT IS YOUR HOME, AND YOU OWN THE HOME AND WHOEVER YOU HIRED, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE RESPONSE PROTECTION LIES ON YOU. UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND, AND YOU HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH STAFF IS, UH, THERE'S A DENIAL AND THERE IS ACTUALLY MORE INTERNAL PROCESS THAT CAN BE DONE. UM, I FEEL FOR YOU BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BROKEN RULES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT ON THAT STREET OF THE WINDOWS. UM, SO I WOULD EXPLORE THAT AND I WOULD KEEP, AND I THINK THAT ALSO KEEPS THE DOOR OPEN TO MAYBE, UH, COME BACK WITH ANOTHER PROJECT THAT HAS A COMBINATION OF SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. THERE'S ACTUALLY, STAFF CAN ALSO REFER TO PLACES THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET WOOD WINDOWS, UH, VERY MUCH LESS PRICE USED, BUT THAT ARE THAT ORIGINAL SIZE. SO HOPEFULLY I, I'LL SEE YOU DO THAT. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. NOT TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT MY, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR CONTRACTOR, ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. AND THEY, THEY SHOULD KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY NEED TO GET DONE AND THEY NOT PULLING PERMITS. I MEAN, IT PUTS YOU IN A BAD SITUATION. 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'RE, YOU'RE OUT THAT MONEY. WELL, UH, SEEMINGLY OUTTA THAT MONEY THERE, THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN TRY TO MITIGATE THAT, BUT HOLD YOUR CONTRACTOR'S FEET TO THE FIRE BECAUSE THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO, UM, I KNOW YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOME GRACE HERE, AND IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING HISTORICALLY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE, SO MAKES A LITTLE BIT DOING DIFFICULT, BUT DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK WITH THAT CONTRACTOR AND YOU'VE HEARD IT FROM ALL THE OTHERS, SO I WON'T REPEAT IT ALL. AND, UM, HOPEFULLY YOUR CONTRACTOR WILL STEP UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH HIM. UM, WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH, YOU CAN REACH BACK OUT TO YOUR CASEWORKER HERE AT O H P AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT REMEDY IS PROPOSED DOES MEET THE GUIDELINES. SO, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SABINA AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES, I'M FETZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 4 28. ADDRESS, 1614 EAST HOUSTON STREET. THE APPLICANT IS, EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME, CLAUDIA, CAN YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC OR I CAN'T HEAR ME? NO, I CAN'T HEAR. NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. NO. YEAH, TESS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THE LIGHT IS ON. SO IT, IT'S COMING THROUGH THE AUDI, LIKE THE VIDEO RECORDING. [01:10:01] UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE SPEAKERS IN THIS ROOM. SO AS YOU GO I'LL ASK, UM, OR USE THE OTHER ONE. BUT THE, OUR, OUR BOOTH BACK HERE , IF YOU GRAB THE OTHER ONE THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM VOLUME IN THE ROOM FOR US. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT, OH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON, LOCATED WITHIN A DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, AND NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT IS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON LOCATED WITHIN A DIGNITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I SHOULD THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FIND AN UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY THE OWNER. AS NOTED IN FINDING F AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS BE INCLUDED. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION OF THE STRUCTURE'S ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE U D C SECTION 35 DASH SIX 14 D AND TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A FINAL SALVAGE PLAN DOCUMENTING WHICH ELEMENTS WILL BE SALVAGED. THE HOMEOWNER, D GOFORTH, AND THE CONTRACTOR, WILLIAM BREWER, ARE HERE IN PERSON. YES. YOU WANT ME TO HOLD IT UP? HI, I AM D GOFORTH. UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US BACK AGAIN. AND WE HAVE MY DAUGHTER HERE, DOMINIQUE MILES. YOU MAY HAVE MET HER AND OUR, UH, CONTRACTOR HERE WHO WAS NOT ABLE TO GET HERE LAST TIME, BUT HE HAS, HE WAS THERE AT THE SITE TO MEET YOU ALL AND I THINK HE'S GOING TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE ISSUE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. I'M, UH, WILLIAM BREWER, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR ON THE PROJECT, HAS BEEN WALKING HIM THROUGH THE PROCESS AND, AND TRYING TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND EVERYTHING CORRECTLY AND, AND GET THIS DONE THE RIGHT WAY. OKAY. HELLO, I'M DOMINIQUE MILES, UM, MARY MANNING'S GREAT NIECE, AND ON THE SALVAGE REPORT WE HAVE DOWN THAT WE WILL BE, UM, SALVAGING T AND G SIDING, CEDAR PIERS, WINDOWS FRAMES, DOORS, T N G FLOORING, THE CEDAR BEAMS, ALL THE WOOD MATERIAL NOT DEEMED DANGEROUS FOR FIRE AND DAMAGED. AND THEN THOSE MATERIALS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FUTURE TINY HOMES WHEN WE COME MEET YOU GUYS AGAIN, IF WE CAN GET APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL AND THEN WE'LL GET A UM, D R C REPORT. HELLO, MY NAME'S VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP CONCERNS CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 28 LOCATED AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS STRUCTURE NOT BE DEMOLISHED AND THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO USE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP TO DO THIS FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS WE STATED THE FIRST TIME THIS CASE CAME TO THE H D R C FOR APPROVAL. PLEASE REVIEW THE COMMENTS AND IMAGES WE PROVIDED FROM THIS PREVIOUS CASE IN YOUR PACKET. WE ALSO THOUGHT THIS CASE WAS GOING TO A D R C, BUT WE DO NOT SEE ANY D R C COMMENTS IN THE APPLICATION PACKET. THE APPLICANT ALSO ANNOUNCED HER PLANS TO BUILD FOUR STRUCTURES TO BE USED AS TYPE TWO SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR THIS LOT IF ALLOWED TO DEMO THIS STRUCTURE. THE CONCERN WITH THIS BUSINESS PLAN IS THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO S T R RENTAL POLICY DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THIS MANY STRUCTURES TO BE USED AS S STRS ON ONE BLOCK FACE. ONLY ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE USED AS A TYPE TWO S T R AND THAT'S ONLY IF THERE'S NO OTHER TYPE TWO S T R ALREADY APPROVED TO BE OPERATING AS A BUSINESS ON THIS BLOCK BASE. WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE OWNER TO MEET WITH THE COSA SS T R DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO DEMOLISHING THIS STRUCTURE TO FIND OUT WHAT THE S T R POLICIES ARE WHEN IT COMES TO TYPE TWO STR. THE PLANS FOR THIS LOT MAY CHANGE DUE TO THE INFORMATION THE APPLICANT RECEIVES FROM THE SS T R DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE H D R C MEMBERS [01:15:01] TO NOT CONSIDER ALLOWING DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE UNTIL AFTER THIS HAS BEEN DONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MAY WE HAVE A D R C REPORT? SURE. UM, ON THE SECOND D R C MEETING THAT WE WENT TO, IT WAS COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, COMMISSIONER MAZUA, MYSELF AND STAFF. UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GET ON THE SITE, GO DOWN THE DRIVEWAY, LOOK INTO THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS OF THE MAIN HOUSE. SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PHOTOS IS PRETTY MUCH ALL WE COULD SEE. UM, AND THAT PART OF THE BUILDING, THE P THE BACK OH 16 FEET OR SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IS CLEARLY DAMAGED, IS CLEARLY IN TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE SHAPE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ENTER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE OR SEE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL ON THE INSIDE, SO, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. UM, THE INTERESTING THING IS THE BUILDING IS CLAD IN AN ALUMINUM SIDING. UM, THE WINDOWS, UH, THE WINDOWS IN THAT FIRST VIEW THAT YOU SEE THERE WERE NOT READILY VIEWABLE. SO WHAT WAS THERE IN THAT REAR BAY IS PRETTY MUCH GONE, BUT CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON FORWARD OF THAT. UM, LET'S SEE. THE, UH, THE FOUNDATION, THE HOUSE HAS SHIFTED FROM THE FOUNDATION ON THE FRONT. IT'S SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT AND TORQUED A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK WHERE THE FIRE WAS. IT IS MORE SO, UM, BUT THE FLOOR, BUT THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING SEEMS TO BE INTACT. UM, THE GARAGE, WHICH IS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, UH, DOES NOT APPEAR TO WHO HAVE ANY CONTRIBUTING CHARACTERISTICS. IT'S, UM, IT'S BEEN ALTERED OR, UM, ALTERED, REPAIRED IN, IN DISREPAIR. THERE'S ALSO, UM, MAJOR DAMAGE OF THE FLOORING IN THE ACCESSORY, UH, BUILDING AS WELL. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER SAVINO. SO WITH WHAT YOU SAW VISUALLY FROM THE EXTERIOR, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OUR PURVIEW, YOU WOULD SAY THE PART OF THE FRONT THAT'S STILL LEFT, IS THAT CONTRIBUTING EVEN THOUGH IT HAS SHIFTED? LIKE IS IT ENOUGH TO SAY, I MEAN, I AGREE NO FIRE DAMAGED PART OF THE PROPERTY SHOULD BE KEPT. UM, BUT I'M WONDERING HAS IT THEN LOST ALL OF THE, UM, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, FROM WHAT WE CAN SEE, UH, IT SEEMS TO BE INTACT. UH, CONTRIBUTING FEATURES I WOULD SAY WOULD BE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS AND THE SIZES, AND THOSE SEEM TO BE ORIGINAL. THE FORM, THE ENTRY FORM, UH, SEEMS TO BE INTACT. THERE WERE NO OTHER ADDITIONS ONTO THE HOUSE EXCEPT IN THE VERY REAR. UM, SO YEAH, IT'S, UM, IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH ONE WITHOUT SEEING THAT THE FRONT 20, 30 FEET OF THE INSIDE AND I REALLY WISHED WE COULD HAVE GONE IN. DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE PHOTOS OF THAT FRONT ROOM? UH, WE DON'T HAVE PHOTOS OF THE INSIDE JUST DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS FOR NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT MY WORKERS AND, AND THOSE INVOLVED TO WALK IT. UM, THAT BUILDING. SOME OF THE DOORWAYS ARE ACTUALLY WHAT ARE HOLDING IT UP. UM, 'CAUSE IT IS TORQUED IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IN THE FRONT AND REAR FACING SIDES. UM, AND IN THE, THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THAT HOUSE, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK THROUGH THE BACK, THAT DOOR RIGHT THERE IS WHAT'S REALLY HOLDING IT AND CREATING LIKE A CROSS MEMBER TO HOLD THAT WHOLE ENTIRE HOUSE UP. THERE WAS AN ENGINEERING WE HAD, WE PAID FOR AN ENGINEERING REPORT DONE IN THE SUMMER. AND IF YOU READ THAT REPORT, UH, THEY DO RECOMMEND BASIS, UH, GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS AT LEAST 85% OF THAT IS GONE, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE FIRE AND THE DAMAGE THAT'S DONE TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE. AND 85% OF THAT IS DONE AND THEY RECOMMEND DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE REPORT HERE. MM-HMM. , I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF OR FOR YOU GUYS. WE SEE ON ONE OF THE PAGES A REPLACEMENT PLAN. UM, LET'S SEE, IT'S WHERE IS IT SHOWING THE, THE PROPOSED, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER DOCUMENTS OR DRAWINGS OR DESIGNS FOR THAT? AND UNFORTUNATE THAT'S REAL, UH, KIND OF A, A TEMPORARY RIGHT NOW? IT'S NO DECISIONS HAD BEEN MADE, FINAL DECISIONS HAD BEEN MADE ON THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, JOINS TO SUPPORT THAT. AND I KNOW OF COURSE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN, BEFORE WE WOULD DO ANYTHING TO GET THE APPROVAL, UH, OF THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BE, ONCE THIS PROPERTY [01:20:01] IS DONE, WE CAN GET THOSE, UM, FINAL DRAWINGS ON, UM, UH, WHAT THE INTENT, THE FINAL INTENT WOULD BE. AND AGAIN, FOR THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT DID CALL IN THAT IT'S NOT JUST ONE LOT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO LOTS HERE, 1614 AS WELL AS 1618 EAST HOUSTON STREET. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. AND FOR THE INDIVIDUAL THAT CALLED IN, THERE WERE TWO HOMES ON ONE LOT AND THE HOME BEHIND BEHIND IT FELL DOWN MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. AGAIN, THESE HOMES WERE BUILT IN 1928, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM. . BUT THE HOUSE THAT WAS BEHIND THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE NOW, UM, IT DID FALL DOWN. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. MM-HMM. TO YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, BUT YOU GO AHEAD. UH, NO, THAT DID ANSWER MY QUESTION. YES, YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP AND JUST TO STAFF, UM, EVEN THOUGH IF WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF DEMOLITION, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH UNTIL WE APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT PLANS. CORRECT. AND SO, UM, WHAT THE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS IS THAT WE DON'T ISSUE THE PERMIT FOR DEMOLITION UNTIL THE PERMIT FOR THE REPLACEMENT HAS COME ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IS READY TO RECEIVE A PERMIT. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO STILL CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON THE DEMOLITION IN QUESTION TODAY. JUST KNOW THAT FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE STANDPOINT, THE PERMIT ITSELF ISN'T ISSUED FOR THE DEMOLITION ACTIVITY UNTIL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN APPROVED. OKAY. AND THEN EVEN, NOT EVEN AS AN ER, SOME PART OF IT COULD BE DONE AS AN EMERGENCY DEMO. I MEAN, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH IT WITH FIRES AND OR EVEN THE GARAGE. THAT'S, THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS. AND SO THAT PROCESS HAS NOT BEEN IN INITIATED BY A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. OKAY. I'LL DO A MOTION. MAY, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT THOUGH, ON THE DEMOLITION, UM, ASPECT OF IT IN THE EMERGENCY SITUATION, THIS BUILDING ACTUALLY IS, UH, UP AGAINST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UM, AND DOES PUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN, IN SOMEWHAT OF AN IMMINENT DANGER, UM, OF THAT BUILDING FALLING ON THEM. UM, DUE TO IT BEING A PARKING LOT, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S OUR PURVIEW. RIGHT. WE, WE CAN'T DECIDE THAT. OKAY. I'LL DO A MOTION. COMMISSIONER GIBBS, ANY QUESTIONS? I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS IS FOR THE CONTRACTOR. SO, UM, WE MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE NO PICTURES BECAUSE OF SAFETY AND THIS NATURE, BUT CAN YOU BRIEFLY, AND I MEAN BRIEFLY JUST DESCRIBE LIKE WHAT THE REST OF IT LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE SEE THE PICTURES HERE THAT WE CAN SEE AND WHAT HAPPENED IN D R C, BUT CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THAT? YEAH, SO WHEN WE LOOKED INTO THE ATTIC, THERE'S FIRE DAMAGE AND SMOKE DAMAGE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE ATTIC AND ALL THE INSULATION HAS BURNED OUT. UM, AND THERE'S SMOKE DAMAGE ON THE WALLS. SO THE DRYWALL, THE, THE ORIGINAL SHIPLAP THAT THEY USED TO PUT IN THE BUILDINGS IS ALL DAMAGED IN THE FRONT. UM, AS FAR AS WE COULD SEE THROUGH DOORWAYS, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY APPROACH THE AREA. 'CAUSE AS WE GOT UP INTO THE DOOR WHILE WE WERE TRYING TO KIND OF CLEAN IT UP AND BOARD IT UP, UM, AS YOU SEE, WE DIDN'T COMPLETELY FINISH IT BECAUSE SECTIONS OF THE ROOF ACTUALLY STARTED FALLING AS WE WERE WALKING THROUGH THE BUILDING. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. AND, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE OF THE FIRE, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT CAUSED BY YOU, BUT, UM, AND, AND I THINK MY MOTION WOULD BE TO, TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION AND THERE'S A TWO STIPULATIONS, BUT I WOULD ADD A THIRD STIPULATION. UM, THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU PROPOSED FOR THE FOUR BUILDINGS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UM, I WOULD INCLUDE IN THIS MOTION. I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, PENDING AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SEE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPLACEMENT PLAN THAT MAYBE INCLUDES THE FRONT OF WHAT'S EXISTING RIGHT NOW, LIKE A REBUILD OF THE FRONT, LIKE THAT 15% OF WHAT'S STILL EXISTING. I WOULD SEE THAT IN THE REPLACEMENT PLAN. AND, UM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU DO TYPE TWO S T R OR HOW MANY PROPERTIES, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW EITHER. AND I DO, BUT I DO ALSO RECOMMEND YOU DO RESEARCH ON THOSE PERMITS. 'CAUSE I DO HAVE TYPE TWO ST AND SO YOU DO WANNA LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE YOU ALSO DECIDE ON HOW MANY STRUCTURES YOU, YOU WANNA GET INTO. I SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION NOW. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, LET ME PASS FOR A MOMENT WHILE I LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTS AND COME BACK TO ME. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I HAVE NO COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, NO COMMENTS. ANYTHING TO ADD? COMMISSIONER GROOVE? COMMISSIONER GIBBS? OKAY. YEP. I WOULD JUST ADD, UH, OR ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER GROOVE SAID THAT, UH, TO DOCUMENT THE PART OF THE HOUSE THAT'S STILL REMAINING AND UH, TRY TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE NEW DESIGN, I THINK WOULD BE, UM, A NICE REFERENCE BACK TO YOUR, UH, FAMILY AND UH, REFERENCE BACK TO THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SABINA, SO THAT I'M CLEAR THE, UH, [01:25:01] RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD UM, OR NOT ALLOW A DEMOLITION PERMIT BE PULLED UNTIL WE TAKE A LOOK AT PLANS INTO THAT. OKAY. I ALSO WANTED TO, BASED ON MY OBSERVATION ON THE SITE, THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE THAT DEFINITELY NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR LIST ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ON YOUR LIST. UM, THE FLOOR JOISTS ALMOST THROUGHOUT ARE IN WONDERFUL CONDITION. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT SIDING OF, UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH OH WILL, YOU MENTIONED THE FLOORING WAS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE. YES. YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT MINIMALLY NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVELY SALVAGED AND USED IDEALLY ON THE REPLACEMENT PLAN. ABSOLUTELY. AND YEAH, WE PLAN ON USING AS MANY OF THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE THROUGHOUT THE FIRE DAMAGE FLOOR, LIKE THE FLOOR SHE HAD MENTIONED. 'CAUSE IT HAS SO MANY LAYERS OF FLOORING, A LOT OF IT WAS ACTUALLY PROTECTED, UM, AS FAR AS THE MATERIAL ITSELF IN THE FIRE. SO WE WOULD BE REINCORPORATING A LOT, REINCORPORATING A LOT OF THAT INTO THE NEW DESIGNS. AND YOUR FOUR BY SIX BEAMS BELOW, CORRECT? EXACTLY AS WELL. YES. EXCELLENT. E EVEN EVEN DOWN TO THE PIERS THAT WOULD BE PULLING OUT OF THE GROUND. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONERS, IF I COULD JUST ADD, UM, A NOTE. UM, AS I ALLUDED TO EARLIER, THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARING, STARTING JANUARY 1ST, THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY. AND SO AS PART OF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT PROCESS, THEY WOULD WORK WITH OUR DECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM MANAGER TO IDENTIFY WHAT ITEMS MIGHT BE EXEMPT FROM SALVAGE. AND SO THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE FIRE DAMAGE BEYOND, UM, REUSE, UH, OPTION. AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. SO WE WOULD DO AN INVENTORY OF WHAT IS SALVAGEABLE WORK WITH KIND OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. BUT THAT STARTS IN JANUARY, CORRECT? JANUARY 1ST. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, IF NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. YES. UM, PENDING THIS ACTION, DO YOU HAVE AN E T A FOR NEW DESIGNS THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT TOMORROW? ? NO. I'LL GET WITH THE, UM, ARCHITECT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, TRY TO GET DONE BEFORE CHRISTMAS SO I CAN GET SOME STUFF DRAWN UP. AND PER THE, THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS, DO DO SOME DILIGENCE ON THE, THE ZONING AND WHAT IS ALLOWED. AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER IT, BUT TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE SUCCESS. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WHO IS THE SS? D C, UH, UH, S D R. IT'S SHORT TERM RENTAL. AND TYPE TWO MEANS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU DON'T OWN, YOU'RE, IT'S NOT, YOU'RE NOT LIVING IN IT. SO THERE'S A, YOU GO DOWN THE HALL AND YOU ASK. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SABINA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. ? YES. AND BUTZER. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT PLANS. AND I'LL BRING ALL OF MY AUNT'S FURNITURE THERE TOO. THAT'S IN HER HOUSE DRIVING ME CRAZY. . MOTION TO ADJOURN. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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