* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 16TH, 2022. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS FISH SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ MORALES MOOKA. HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GRO. HERE. CERVANTES HERE. BAKER HERE. FETZER HERE. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. IF WE COULD HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP. GOOD AFTERNOON, INTERPRET. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE IMPER INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE SPEAKING, THOSE WHO, I'M SORRY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. UM, THANK YOU. UH, FIRST ONE, QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, WE WANNA WELCOME JOHN BAKER AS OUR NEW COMMISSIONER REPRESENTING DISTRICT 10. UM, SO THIS IS HIS FIRST HEARING AND WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE HIM. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS, ACTUALLY FIRST JUST ONE ANNOUNCEMENT ON ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER, EDWARD, CAN YOU SCROLL OVER? WHICH ITEM IS QUENTIN? YEAH, ITEM NUMBER TEN FOUR OH TWO. QUENTIN HAS BEEN POSTPONED AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THAT CASE, BUT JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, [Approval of Minutes] SO FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM NOVEMBER 2ND. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 2ND. SUBMITTED SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? THANK YOU. UM, SABINO. AYE. MAZUA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. UM, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] SO NEXT WE HAVE ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, WE NORMALLY PLAY VOICEMAILS AND HEAR SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT AT THIS TIME, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY. UM, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE 2023 H C R C MEETING SCHEDULE. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ITEMS? DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY ITEMS? UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? JUST A SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ANY OTHER COMMENTS JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE? [00:05:02] YES. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ, I'M SORRY. UH, MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRUB. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS THREE 20 BOTTOM 1146 SOUTH ALAMO, FOUR 18 EAST MULBERRY AND 1818 AND 1822, MARTIN LUTHER KING, YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, MR. CHAIR, I PULLED THIS BECAUSE I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER SPENCER CHRISTENSEN. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. PATRICK CHRISTENSEN, THREE 10 SOUTH ST. MARY'S, SUITE 2,700. I'M HERE WITH CREO ARCHITECT SAM STEVENS AND CHRIS FELDMAN. HAPPY IF YOU HAVE ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS. I'M SURE THEY CAN ANSWER THEM BETTER THAN I CAN. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, FIRST THINGS FIRST. I'M NOT, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT AS MUCH AS PERHAPS SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE IT CAME TO US ORIGINALLY IN 20 18, 20 19. SO IT'S BEEN A WHILES, UH, THIS IS A CHALLENGING SITE. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING HAS BEEN MOVED OUT OF THE RIVERWALK RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S A GREAT STEP. UM, MY QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, THE RIVERWALK LEVEL AND THE RIVERWALK FEATURES. HOW OLD IS THE EXISTING STONE WALL AND WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT? GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRIS FELDMAN WITH CAREER ARCHITECTS. HI. SO I I I MIGHT'VE INTERRUPTED YOUR QUESTION IF IT WAS JUST THE AGE WAS, UH, YEAH. WHAT IS THE, WHEN WAS THAT PUT INTO PLACE? I KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ARCHITECTURAL REPORT SUPPOSEDLY PRESENTED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE EXPLORER MAP, SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ANY, I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT DATE. I'M JUST MAKING SURE THE AUDIO'S COMING THROUGH. WE'RE GOOD. CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR OKAY, I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT DATE OF THE RIVERWALK WALL, BUT I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RIVER AUTHORITY, UM, REGARDING HOW WE'RE TREATING THAT WALL. UM, IS THAT, IS THE QUESTION LEADING TOWARDS HOW IT THAT'S PART OF IT. OKAY. PART OF IT, YEAH. UM, SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT'S BEEN TREATED TO ACHIEVE THE ENTRYWAY ON THE RIVERWALK, IT JUST SEEMS RATHER, UM, UH, DIRECT AND NOT, UM, I GUESS, UH, RATHER SIMPLE AND DIRECT AND UTILITARIAN AND IT'S LIMITED. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS, WHAT YOU WERE FACING THAT ON. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT PLAY INTO IT. SO FIRST OF ALL, PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE RIVER IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROJECT, AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED MAYBE IN SOME OF THE EARLIER CONCEPTUAL APPROVALS. AND SO TO DO THAT, THERE'S NO WAY TO DO THAT WITHOUT SOMEHOW IMPACTING THAT EXISTING WALL. UM, THE CHALLENGE WITH THOSE WALLS KIND OF STRUCTURALLY IS YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA FIND WHEN YOU GET INTO THEM. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY SOUGHT TO IN, IN THAT. AND, SORRY, I SHOULD MENTION ONE OTHER THING IN THAT SECTION OF THE RIVER, UM, IT'S NOT IN THE, UH, PROTECTED FLOOD LOOP. AND SO WE ACTUALLY, THERE, THE, THE OWNER, UH, AND PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO TAKE MEASURES IN CASE THERE WERE, UH, A FLOOD EVENT WHERE YOU COULD BRING IN BARRICADES. AND SO SOME OF THAT HAS DICTATED THE AMOUNT OF WALL. SO OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THE WALL AS WE CAN. I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT ABOUT A 30 FOOT SECTION, WHICH IF I WERE TO ESTIMATE MAYBE IS ABOUT 20% OF THAT, OF THE WALL IN THAT SECTION. AND, AND SO THE, UM, THE CHALLENGE IS, YOU KNOW, I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, COULD THERE BE SORT OF MORE OF A, A PORTAL TYPE WHERE YOU PRESERVE MORE OF IT? THE, THE CHALLENGE THERE IS SUPPORTING THAT, UM, WHEN YOU EXCAVATE BEHIND IT TO, TO PUT IN THIS RIVER LEVEL AND THEN, AND THEN HAVE TO CUT OUT AN OPENING IS THE ACTUAL SUPPORTING A WALL THAT WE DON'T, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW THE MAKEUP OF UNTIL YOU GET INTO IT. AND SO THAT'S WHY, WHY THE PROPOSAL WAS TO KIND OF TAKE IT UP, UH, STRAIGHT AND THEN HAVE THE INTERVENTION KIND OF LIMITED TO A SMALLER PORTION OF THE RIVER WALK WALL. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THAT ANSWERS, YEAH. PART OF IT. THANK YOU ON THAT. UM, UH, THEN, SO THEN THE CORNERS OF THE WALL, THE CUT PORTION AND IT'S WHAT, 12, 14 FEET UP? HOW IS THAT BEING SUPPORTED? UM, WELL, WE'RE, TO BE HONEST, WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS WITH STRUCTURAL. UM, BUT THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL, IT'LL BE SUPPORTED FROM THE, THE REAR OF IT. I MEAN, SO THERE'LL BE OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT HAS TO SU SUPPORT THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THERE'S SORT OF A, THERE'S A BUILDUP OF WALLS THERE, UH, BEHIND IT, RIGHT. THAT, THAT KIND OF EATS INTO OBVIOUSLY THE FOOTPRINT AND THEN BECOMES [00:10:01] AT A CERTAIN POINT AT THE INTERIOR FINISH OF OUR BASEMENT WALL MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . YEAH. THAT'S, UM, LEADING, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT SUPPORT THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THAT MADE ME THINK PERHAPS THAT SAME SUPPORT SYSTEM COULD BE USED TO HAVE A MORE EXPRESSIVE AND MORE CELEBRATORY ENTRY TO THE RIVER LEVEL OF THAT AREA. UM, ON ANOTHER NOTE, UM, I STILL WISH I KNEW THE AGE OF THAT WALL, IF ANYBODY KNOWS STAFF. UH, IT'S THE GENERAL AGE IS HAGMAN ERA IS WHAT? HAGMAN ERA. SO W P A ERA. UM, THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE HAGMAN ERA, THE HAGMAN DRAWINGS SHOW A WALL HERE. UM, IT MORE OR LESS THE UTILITARIAN WALL THAT WE HAVE HERE. SO THE WALL IS HAGMAN ERA? YES. OKAY. UM, AND IS THERE A PLAN IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION SET, OR EVEN IN THE PRESENTATION SET THAT SHOW, UH, DIMENSIONS OF THE RIVERWALK AND THE PROPOSED RELOCATION AND REALIGNMENT OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE RIVERWALK? UM, THERE, THERE IS A, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, THAT THAT IS INCLUDED, THAT SHOWS YES. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S DIMENSION, UM, ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS? IT SHOULD HAVE THAT DIMENSION. I I BELIEVE IT'S 31 FEET, THE OPENING AT LEAST, OR OF THE, THE SIDEWALK, THE FROM THE RIVER EDGE TO THE FACE OF THE WALL. THE REASON I'M ASKING IS IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THOSE SPACES ALONG THE RIVER EDGE, THE SIDEWALK, YOUR SEATING AREAS, YOUR ENTRY MM-HMM. , AND I JUST COULDN'T FIND ANY DIMENSION. YEAH. I'M NOT CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU KNOW SAM ABOUT 13 FEET FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL TO THE RIVER OR, SO IT VARIES A LITTLE BIT, IF YOU CAN TELL ON THE DRAWING THERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE YOU WALKED THIS SECTION OF THE RIVER. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A, IT'S A MORE SUBDUED. AND SO SOMETHING THAT I THINK THROUGH THE DESIGN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IS THAT THIS IS A QUIETER PART OF THE RIVER WALK, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE WALL AND IT BEING QUIETER HAS BEEN MAYBE A CHALLENGE IN THE PAST FOR THESE TO BE DEVELOPED AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT ARE WAY MORE COMMERCIALIZED. AND I THINK AS A DESIGN TEAM AND WITH THE, WITH THE OWNER, I MEAN, WE SORT OF SAW THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY. UH, IT'S A, IT'S A QUIETER WAY TO EXPERIENCE THE RIVER. AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE INTRODUCTION OF SOME SEEDING ALONG THE WALL, UM, AND, AND AGAIN, INTRODUCING LANDSCAPE WHERE WE CAN WAS IMPORTANT, AT LEAST TO US AS A DESIGN TEAM. I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I DO WANNA LET MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE A CHANCE TO OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. YOU'RE WELCOME. OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH. HOW, HOW MUCH OF THE SIDE, MAYBE YOU JUST, MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE IT, BUT HOW MUCH OF THE SIDEWALK, LIKE THAT PHOTO RIGHT THERE, THAT, THAT RENDERING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE, HOW MUCH OF THE SIDEWALK IS PUBLIC PROPERTY? HOW MUCH OF IT IS PART OF THE, UH, HOTEL? ARE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS CONSIDERED PUBLIC? OR IS THAT, UH, YES. I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY LINE FALLS ACTUALLY IN, DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RIVER WALL. UH, AND, AND THE EXISTING RIVER WALL. 'CAUSE THAT WE'D COME BEFORE, IF ANYONE WAS HERE BEFORE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO ENCROACH ON THAT. UM, BUT THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHERE THAT NUMBER SEVEN IS, IS IT KIND OF CUTS DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALL. AND SO I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT LATER ON. THERE'S, I BELIEVE THERE'S SORT OF LIKE A, AN AGREEMENT TO, TO, TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE WITH MOVABLE TABLES AND CHAIRS. SO YEAH, TYPICALLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A LEASE AGREEMENT. YEAH. A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, CORRECT. RIGHT. AN ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY. YEAH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. UH, MR. CHAIR, OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, BEFORE WE, BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION? UM, YES. UM, ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, I DON'T HAVE THE PAGE, BUT IN THE ROOF PLAN FOR THE FRONT AND FOR THE BACK, WE SHOW MINIMAL, MINIMAL, UM, PLAN DETAIL FOR WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE, WHERE YOU HAVE SORT OF A VERY FLATTENED PILASTER, JUST SOME EXPRESSION OF THE ELEVATION. UM, YEAH, IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THIS ONE, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IS, HOW MUCH ARE YOUR MATERIALS PROJECTING BEYOND THE, THE SKIN OF THE BUILDING? I MEAN, WE SEE IN THE ELEVATION THAT YOU HAVE PYLA THAT ARE ILLUMINATED, AND IN SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THEY REALLY DON'T LOOK THAT DEFINED. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING. I THINK IT RANGES, WHAT, TWO TO SIX, TWO TO SIX INCHES MAYBE BETWEEN DIFFERENT RELIEF? UH, AT LEAST, AT LEAST FOR THE PRIMARY FACADE. BUT THEN IF IN THE, IF YOU GO, I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE, ON THE STREET SIDE I THINK IS WHAT SHE'S ASKING, UM, BUT THAT IN THAT FIRST FLOOR, AT THE STREET LEVEL HAS GOT SOME INSET TO IT. MM-HMM. , [00:15:01] UM, SOME MORE PRONOUNCED INSET AT THE PEDESTRIAN WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCES IT. UM, AND THAT'S THOSE PILASTERS THEN CONTINUE UP MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . SO YEAH, MY, JUST MY CONCERN ON SOME OF 'EM, ESPECIALLY ON THE RIVERSIDE, I KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SIMPLE THAN THE FRONT STREET ELEVATION, BUT IT SEEMS ALMOST FLAT. AND I'M AFRAID, YOU KNOW, FROM THE SIXTH FLOOR, FOURTH FLOOR AND ABOVE, IT WILL APPEAR FLAT. AND I JUST, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF MY OBSERVATIONS. UM, LET'S SEE. I, UNITS, I THINK WHAT WOULD, UM, HELP TREMENDOUSLY IS TO HAVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN INCLUDED IN THE STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT IS FULLY MENTIONED, SHOWING ALL THE RELOCATED SIDEWALKS AND THE SPACE ALLOCATED FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ACTIVITIES. OKAY. I THINK WOULD HELP. OKAY. WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YES. UM, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME UNTIL JUST NOW WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT SIDEWALK PLAN, YOU ARE PROPOSING TO SHIFT THE CURRENT WALKWAY CLOSER TO THE RIVER WALL. UM, YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPE CONCEPTUAL PLANS RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE LOOKING AT KIND OF RECONFIGURING WHERE THAT WALKWAY IS. YES. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, I THINK, LATE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, RELOCATING AND REUSING WHAT MAY BE A HAGMAN ERA BENCH. AND THEN I KNOW ALSO REUSING THE, ANY STONE THAT WAS DISMANTLED FROM THAT RIVER WALL, REUSING IT IN THAT AREA ON SITE. SO WE CERTAINLY REVIEWED OR CONSIDERED THE, THE PENETRATION TO THE WALL AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE SALVAGING AND RE OF THE STONES. AND I KNOW IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE ALSO ADDRESS SOME OF THE HISTORIC FEATURES ON THE WALL ITSELF, THE LANTERNS AND ONE OF THE HAMAN BENCHES THAT WE IDENTIFIED. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN FULLY EXPLORED. LIKE WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED REALLY AN ADEQUATE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TOWARDS THE RELOCATION OF THE WALKWAY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NOT CLEAR IF IT'S TO BE DEMOLISHED IN REPORT OR RESET IN A NEW LOCATION, THEN I THINK THERE'S ALSO CONCERN ABOUT LOSING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN THE WALKWAY ITSELF AND THE RIVER WALL. AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT SPECIFIC, UM, TREATMENT COME AT A LATER DATE. SO PERHAPS A MOTION COULD BE MADE TO, UM, UM, SUPPORT ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS WITH THE, THAT PERTAIN TO THE BUILDING, I THINK. AND THE DISTINCTION IS THAT THIS IS ALSO IMPACTING PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND SO IT'S NOT THE LOT AT 1 51 EAST TRAVIS. IT'S, IT'S AN ALTERATION TO PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE, WE'VE FULLY GONE THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS WITH, UM, OUR CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AUTHORIZATION FOR THE REQUEST EITHER. SO THAT IS, THAT'S AN OVERSIGHT BY US, AND WE SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT SOONER. I APOLOGIZE. PERHAPS A MOTION TO DEFER THEN, RIGHT? TO CONTINUE? YEAH. I MEAN, WE, OUR, OUR, IF POSSIBLE, IF THERE WERE A STIPULATION RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE LANDSCAPE IN, IN RIVERWALK PORTION OF IT, UM, AND THAT LIKE AS YOU MENTIONED, THE BUILDING, UH, AND ASSOCIATED MODIFICATIONS TO THE WALL THAT PERTAIN TO THE BUILDING, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK FOR THE LANDSCAPE PORTION AFTER FURTHER COORDINATION WITH C C D O AND SARAH AND I, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT THE CITY HAS NOT AUTHORIZED A REQUEST FOR WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PORTION. SO WE CAN CERTAINLY COMMENT ON THE LANDSCAPING WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY LINE, BUT THAT SEPARATE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PIECE NEEDS TO COME BACK. I APOLOGIZE. AND I, AND I THINK THAT ANY IMPACT THAT THE CITY MIGHT HAVE OR ANY, UH, UH, UH, COMMENTS THE CITY MIGHT HAVE MIGHT IMPACT YOUR OVERALL DESIGN, AT LEAST FROM A CERTAIN PERSPECTIVE. SO FOR LANDSCAPE, IT WOULD, BUT I MEAN, NOT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ENCROACHMENT ON, ON THE PUBLIC PROPERTY, RIGHT? BUT, BUT ONLY AT THE GROUND PLANE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S MORE'S A LEASING ISSUE. I'M, I'M MORE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, PHYSICAL ALTERATIONS TO THE PUBLIC PROPERTY. AGREE. SO LET ME ATTEMPT TO MAKE MOTION, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. I MOTION THAT WE, UM, APPROVE THE PROJECT, UH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER SEVEN, AND NUMBER EIGHT WITH ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, OUTDOOR FURNITURE AND USE IN SIDEWALKS TO A LATER TO ANO SECOND APPLICATION. SORRY, COMMISSIONER SAVINA, WHY NOT ADD, UH, STIPULATION ONE? UM, BECAUSE IT PERTAINS TO THE, UM, UH, WALL I SUBMIT. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT THE, UM, UH, DETAILS THAT STAFF IS ASKING [00:20:01] A DETAILED PLAN FOR SALVAGE WOULD BE A GOOD ACCOMPANIMENT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY CHANGES TOO, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CHANGES. WELL, AND, AND FOR INSTANCE, THE ENTRYWAY IN THE SPACE ALLOTTED FOR THE ENTRY AS IT RELATES TO A RELOCATED SIDEWALK. MIKE, JUST A QUESTION TO STAFF THEN, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS, THE WALL IS PART OF THE PROPERTY LINE. 'CAUSE THE PROPERTY LINE GOES ON THE WALL AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THE WALL WILL PERTAIN TO THE PROPERTY, BUT THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WOULD PERTAIN, I MEAN, THE SIDEWALK WOULD PERTAIN TO PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT? SO THAT'S CORRECT. YOU SAID THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT, AND EVEN A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. I MEAN, THE WALL IS WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY AND I FEEL LIKE WE'VE REVIEWED AND PROVIDED A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE WALL TREATMENT. OKAY. THEN I'LL, WE'LL ADD ITEM NUMBER ONE IN THERE. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UM, COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, I THANK YOU FOR ADDING ITEM, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER ONE BACK 'CAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE EVEN, EVEN IF THERE IS SOME ISSUE ON THE, UM, ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LANDSCAPE, THAT, THAT, UH, A SALVAGE PLAN, UM, TO, UH, TO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THAT HISTORIC MATERIAL AS AS POSSIBLE WOULD MAKE SENSE. MM-HMM. IN ANY SCENARIO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. GROOVE COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BAKER, COMMISSIONER MOOKA. MY ONLY COMMENT IS THAT, UM, THE WALL HAS A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL QUALITIES TO IT JUST VER BY VIRTUE OF ITS AGE. AND I HOPE THAT AS MUCH OF THAT CAN BE RETAINED AS POSSIBLE TO ADD TO THE, UM, BEAUTIFUL ATMOSPHERE OF THE NEW HOTEL. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF. WERE THERE ANY, UH, OPPOSITIONS TO THIS FROM THE CONSTITUENTS TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO? I, WE TRYING TO GET AN IDEA, WE NEED TO LOOK BACK AT THE RECORD OF WHAT, OF WHAT WENT ON WHEN THIS WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED. WE NEED TO LOOK BACK AT THE RECORD, UH, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW. UH, SO THE GENERAL DESIGN AND FOOTPRINT, HEIGHT, MATERIALS, ET CETERA, UH, RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION IN 2019. UH, THE APPLICANT HAD AT THAT TIME REQUESTED A CANTILEVER, UH, OVER THE RIVERWALK, UH, THAT, UH, STAFF DID NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF IT. UH, IT WASN'T RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSION. UM, AND THE APPLICANT SUBSEQUENTLY WITHDREW THAT APPLICATION AND ELIMINATED THAT PORTION OF THE DESIGN. UH, SO, UM, THE PROJECT WAS SUPPORTED CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY, UM, THE APPLICANT. UM, THIS MAY, UH, HELP SOME, BUT HERE'S A GENERAL, UH, NARRATIVE THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED OF STAFF'S ORIGINAL STIPULATIONS AND HOW THOSE WERE ADDRESSED. UH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL ANY OPPOSITION OR, UH, NON-SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I DON'T. UM, AND I WOULD, UH, ECHO THE COMMENTS OF THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS DEVELOPED AND HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT YOUR ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE PENETRATION THROUGH THE WALL. UM, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT, UM, BASED ON SOME EARLIER COMMENTS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, DO A LITTLE MORE WITH, WITH THAT WALL. BUT, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SINO? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] SIX. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER SIX IS VIRTUALLY ON. I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE IN PERSON. I'LL READ THIS INTO THE RECORD. UM, AND THEN IF HE'S NOT THERE, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON. UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 5 36 9 38 DAWSON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT 9 38 DAWSON LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH S WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT, THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION SETBACK BE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE SETBACKS OF THE HISTORIC HOUSES FOUND ON THIS BLOCK. SPECIFICALLY, THOSE ADDRESSES 9 24, 9 30 AND 9 34. DAWSON IS NOTED IN FINDING D THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING A SETBACK DIAGRAM, NOTING THE SETBACKS OF EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED SETBACK FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AT 9 38 DAWSON. [00:25:01] TWO, THAT THE FOUNDATION HEIGHT BE INCREASED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES ON THE BLOCK AND THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. A FOUNDATION HEIGHT OF AT LEAST ONE FOOT IN HEIGHT SHOULD BE USED AS NOTED IN FINDING G THREE. THAT HORIZONTAL SIDINGS SHOULD FEATURE AN EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES WITH A SMOOTH FINISH. IF COMPOSITE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH BOARDS THAT ARE 12 INCHES, 12 INCHES IN WIDTH. BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF INCH IN, EXCUSE ME, 12 INCHES IN WIDTH AND BATTENS THAT ARE APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A HALF INCH IN WIDTH. PROPOSED STANDING SEA METAL ROOF SHOULD FEATURE SMOOTH PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A C CRIMP RIDGE SEAM OR A LOW PROFILE RIDGE CAP. AND A STANDARD Y BALLOON FINISH. AN INDUSTRIAL RIDGE CAP SHOULD NOT BE USED THAT THE PROPOSED STUCCO BE ELIMINATED AS NOTED IN FINDING J THAT WOULD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ARE USED AS NOTED IN FINDING K AND IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS SIX, THAT ALL FENESTRATION BE ADDED. EXCUSE ME, THAT ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION BE ADDED TO BOTH THE EAST AND WEST FACADES AND WITHIN THE FRONT PORCHES. BEDROOM WALL IS NOTED IN FINDING L SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLED PORCH COLUMNS THAT ARE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM, AND THAT THE PROPOSED PORCH RAILING FEATURE CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM IS NOTED IN FINDING M AND THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THAT INCLUDES FENCING INFORMATION AND DRIVEWAY INFORMATION AS NOTED IN FINDINGS, P Q AND SS. THERE'S ALSO A CASE COMMENT REGARDING FOUNDATION INSPECTION AND A STANDING SCENE METAL ROOF INSPECTION. UH, THE APPLICANT IS MR. RUBIN CARILLO, UM, BUT I DON'T DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE'S, UH, ATTENDING VIRTUALLY OR IN PERSON. WELL, WE CAN MOVE THIS TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AND IF THE STUDENT LOT HERE, WE CAN ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE. SO, UM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 3 99 360 3 NORTH DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING AS BEST AS TILE, SIDING AND BRICK WAINSCOTING AND INSTALL NEW LAB SIDING. TWO, PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE TO INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF TWO ONE OVER ONE. WINDOWS THREE PERFORM MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIDE THAT IS THE WEST FACADE TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING DOOR OPENING AND THE REMOVAL OF AN EXISTING CONCRETE STOOP AND STEPS AND FOUR, INSTALL NEW ROUNDED PORCH STEPS TO THE FRONT FACADE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING FACADE TILES AND BRICK WAINSCOTING FOR THE INSTALLATION OF LAP SIDING IS NOTED IN FINDING. E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE EXISTING SIDING TILE PROFILE BE MAINTAINED REPLACEMENT WITH THE FIBER CEMENT, CEMENT TILE WITH MEN WITH MATCHING PROFILE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. MODIFICATIONS TO THE FRONT FACADE AS NOTED IN FINDING F STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT EITHER WINDOWS BE ADDED ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE ENCLOSED PORCH STREET AS AN OPEN ELEMENT WITH VISIBLE PORCH COLUMNS, OR THAT THE STRUCTURE BE RETURNED TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE MODIFICATIONS TO THE SIDE THAT IS THE WEST FACADE TO INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE, OF AN EXISTING DOOR OPENING. THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING CON OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE STOOP AND STEPS IS NOTED IN FINDING. G STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE DOOR OPENING CONCRETE STOOP AND STAIRS BE PRESERVED, AND FOUR STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW ROUNDED CONCRETE PORCH STEPS AND A CONCRETE APRON IS NOTED IN FINDING H ENCOUNTER REPLACEMENT WITH CONCRETE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH NO CHANGE IN PROFILE THE APPLICANT, MR. THOMAS GANDY IS HERE IN PERSON. YES. MR. GANDY, WE'VE COME TO THE PODIUM. YES. HOW ARE YOU DOING? YES, I'M, UM, IF I'M ASKING, UH, IF WE COULD ENLARGE, FORGET ABOUT THE REDO THE ROUNDED STEP IN THE FRONT AND JUST ENLARGE THE STEP JUST TO MAKE IT SAFE, UH, YEAH, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, A A A LANDING AND MORE WIDTH ON THE TREAD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PUT THE SAME RED, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK THE SAME, ONLY LARGER IF THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. UM, AND ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE DOOR, UM, WOULD WE HAVE TO PUT A, PUT THE DOOR BACK IN? WOULD THERE BE ANY WAY I COULD, IT REALLY INTERFERES WITH GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE, MY DRIVEWAY. COULD WE CUT THAT THING [00:30:01] DOWN A FOOT OR SO FOOT TO 16 INCHES. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, CUTTING THE WIDTH OF THE, UH, LANDING AND STAIR DOWN BY A FOOT OR SO, CORRECT. SO THAT IT LINES UP MORE WITH THE, UH, THE GATE POST? YES, SIR. AND, AND I, I DON'T SEE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AS LONG AS IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST ENOUGH TO SUFFICE TO, YOU KNOW, GET IN AND OUT OF THE, THE DOOR. OKAY. SO, UH, LIKE A FOOT 16 INCHES, UH, MORE NARROW AND TWO TO THREE FEET SHORTER. I, IT JUST SEEMS, UH, IT'S KIND OF EXCESSIVE. YEAH. HOW FAR BEYOND THE ORIGINAL DOOR OPENING IT, DOES THAT LANDING EXTEND? IS THAT THE TWO TO THREE FEET? UH, IT WAS ABOUT TWO OR THREE FEET. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THERE, UM, I THINK WE, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S AN OLDER PHOTOGRAPH. THERE WAS, UH, ALUMINUM WINDOW PUT IN THERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS PUT IN, SO THERE COULD BE AN AIR CONDITIONER PUT IN THERE. SO THAT WAS, I DON'T IF WE HAVE ANY OF THE OLD ONES BECAUSE THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, YEAH. THE DOOR AND THEN THERE WAS A, AN ADDED WINDOW. I THINK THEY ADDED IT SO THEY COULD PUT A WINDOW UNIT IN IT. UM, SINCE, AND I, AND I DON'T, I'M GONNA TRY AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS THE WEST WALL AND , IT, IT IS SUPER HOT. SO SINCE IT WASN'T A ORIGINAL WINDOW OF, WE COULD JUST FOREGO THE WINDOW WAS TO THE NORTH OF THE DOOR WHERE I'M, WAS I PROPOSED TO? YEAH. YES. OKAY. YOU CAN, YEAH, YOU COULD SEE IT THERE. SO THERE WAS NO WINDOWS BETWEEN THE DOOR AND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE BUILDING. THERE WAS, THAT WAS A WINDOW, BUT IT WAS AN, IT WAS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT APPEARS TO BE, HAVE BEEN ADDED MAYBE SEVENTIES. I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THAT, THAT PICTURE, BUT IT WAS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. OKAY. THE WINDOW THAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THIS, THE DOOR IN THIS PICTURE YES, SIR. WAS AN ALUMINUM WINDOW. YES. AND, AND IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T MATCH. IT DOESN'T MATCH. IT DIDN'T MATCH ANY OF THE, OKAY. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF THE DOOR, IT LOOKS LIKE A THROUGH WALL AIR CONDITIONER? THAT IS CORRECT. THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED. OKAY. AND THEN BETWEEN THE AIR CONDITIONER TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT CORNER, THERE WERE NO OTHER WINDOWS? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IN YOUR, UM, RESPONSES TO STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE, UM, THE WINDOWS AND THE YEAH, WE BRICK SKIRTING. I AM, I'M WORKING WITH ASBUILT NOW, UH, TO RECREATE THE, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE THREE WINDOWS TO, TO MIMIC THE ORIGINAL, UH, PORCH. UH, YOU JUST MAYBE, UM, I CAN JUMP IN. SO I THINK WHAT MR. GANDY IS POSSIBLY REFERRING TO IS, UH, STAFF HAD A, EXCUSE ME. STAFF HAD A, A NUMBER OF, UM, UH, COMMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UM, HOW THE APPLICANT COULD APPROACH OR TREAT THE FRONT FACADE. UM, AND SO ONE OF THOSE, UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OPTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT EITHER WINDOWS BE ADDED ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONT FACADE, UM, OR, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, OR INCLUDE OR ADD PORCH [00:35:01] ELEMENTS SO THAT THE FRONT PORCH READS AS AN OPEN AIR PORCH. UM, SO, UM, I GUESS THE OPTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS IS IT COULD BE RETURNED TO THIS WITH THE ARCHED OPENING, UM, OR THE APPLICANT COULD, UH, BASICALLY, UH, COMBINATION OF WHAT WE SEE HERE, UM, THE PREVIOUS CONDITION, UM, AND WHAT THE APPLICANTS PROPOSE. UH, BUT INSTEAD THERE WOULD BE A GROUPING OF FOUR WINDOWS THAT WOULD FEATURE WIDTHS APPROXIMATELY THE WIDTH OF THESE SCREENED OPENINGS, UH, WITH MOENS, UH, THAT SEPARATE THOSE OPENINGS. SAP FINDS THAT, THAT WOULD READ AS AN OPEN AIR CONDITION SIMILAR TO WHAT'S HERE NOW, NOW, UM, OR A PORCH OR AN ENCLOSED OPTION. UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, UH, THAT LIKELY WITH COMMISSION ACTION THE APPLICANT COULD JUST PROVIDE TO STAFF, UH, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW. AND ONCE THE DOCUMENTS WERE CONSISTENT WITH THAT ACTION, UH, STAFF COULD WORK WITH MR. GANDY AND ISSUE THE, THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THAT. UM, SO THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY RESOLVE THE, THE FRONT FACADE. UM, MAYBE A COMMISSIONER CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE SITE VISIT OR MR. GANDY CAN ABOUT THE BRICK WAINSCOTING. UH, STAFF FINDS THAT TO BE AN ORIGINAL FEATURE. EITHER BRICK OR STONE IS FOUND, CONSIST CONSISTENTLY IN THE DISTRICT. UM, NOW THE EXTENT OF WHERE THAT WAS INSTALLED ON THIS HOUSE AS COMPARED TO OTHERS CAN BE DEBATED, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION THAT IT, THAT IT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. UM, THE NEXT ITEM, UM, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSED TO INSTALL A LAP SIDING, UH, TO REPLACE THE ASBESTOS. UM, IN, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THIS IS STAFF WITH STAFF BELIEVES THE ASBESTOS TO ACT TO ACTUALLY BE THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL. UM, THE SANDBORN MAP, I BELIEVE ACTUALLY NOTES THE ASBESTOS TILE. UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, INSTALLING THAT NOW WOULD BE AN ISSUE. SO THERE'S A, UH, VARIOUS COMPOSITE PRODUCTS THAT THE APPLICANT COULD USE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MATCH THAT. UH, SO THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. UM, AND THEN, UM, STAFF DOESN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ROUNDED, UH, PORCH STEPS. I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING THAT ANYMORE. I THINK THE APPLICANT'S MAIN CONCERN, AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED ON SITE AND OUR SITE VISIT, WAS, UM, JUST HOW THE STEPS HAVE SHIFTED OVER TIME. UM, AND THEN I THINK THE APPLICANT AS A, UH, AS NOTED THAT THERE'S A, THE, THE RISE AND RUN IS A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED. UH, SO I THINK THE, WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONING WAS, UH, WIDENING OR INCREASING THE LANDING, UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY WIDENING THE ACTUAL, UH, STAIRS THEMSELVES. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GIVE A D R C UPDATE. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT OVERVIEW, UM, HELP LEAD US TO A MOTION OR, UH, GIVE MR. GANDY A, AN IDEA OR A COMMENT. OKAY. I WAS ON SITE AND, UM, I WOULD CONCUR WITH STAFF THAT THE, THE BRICK WAINS COATING APPEARS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. OKAY. UM, THE FACT THAT THERE'S VENTS THROUGH IT AND DRAINAGE HOLES THROUGH THE, THE FRONT OF THAT, UM, BRICK, UH, LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ORIGINAL AND IT WAS A BASICALLY JUST A, A COVERED PORCH AND WHEN IT RAINED IN, THE WATER WAS ABLE TO GET OUT. SO I WOULD CONCUR THAT THAT BRICK WAINSCOATING WOULD NEED TO REMAIN. UH, THE STEPS ARE, UH, RATHER SHALLOW. UH, BUT I THINK THE, UH, THE CHARACTER OF THE STEPS WITH THE RED BRICK, WHICH WE SAW ON QUITE A FEW OTHER RESIDENCES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, I THINK IS A, A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE FOR THE HOUSE. UH, BUT I COULD SEE, UH, POSSIBLY EXTENDING THE, THE TOP STEP OUT TO MORE OF A LANDING, UH, SO THAT AS YOU'RE STEPPING OUT OF THE DOOR, YOU'RE ONTO A, A DEEPER SURFACE THERE, BUT NOT MAKING THE ENTIRE, UH, SECTION OF STAIRS WIDER, UH, THAN THEY ARE NOW TO, TO MATCH WHAT'S HERE. UM, AND I THINK THE, THE, I WOULD AGAIN, CONCUR WITH STAFF THAT THE, THE, UM, ASBESTOS SIDING IS, IS PROBABLY ORIGINAL. AND THAT, UM, GOING BACK WITH THE MATERIAL THAT, UH, REPLICATES THAT, OR AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT. UM, CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE MIGHT'VE BEEN AT THAT SITE VISIT. THEY'RE NOT. SHE'S . OKAY. I THINK IT WAS JUST YOU. OKAY. BEFORE WE GET TO MORE, UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS BY THE COMMISSION, WE HAVE, UH, CITIZEN, CITIZEN COMMENTS. WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. YES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 3 6 3 NORTH DRIVE, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 3 9 9. [00:40:01] MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE N P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE APPRECIATE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO INVEST IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME. THIS IS A CASE WITH A PENDING VIOLATION WHERE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OF APPROPRIATENESS, AND WE THANK O H P AN H D R C FOR THEIR PATIENTS AND WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. THERE WAS ONE ONSITE DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING AND TWO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS ON ZOOM. HOWEVER, THE OWNER DID NOT ATTEND THE LAST TWO DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETINGS NOR THE LAST H D R C HEARING. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST H D R C AND O H P TO ASSIST THE PROPERTY OWNER IN ADDRESSING THE ONGOING VIOLATIONS ON THEIR, ON THE PROPERTY. A REMEDY IS REQUESTED. IF THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER CHOOSING TO ENGAGE WITH O H P, THEN WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN H D R C MOTION OF DENIAL TO INCLUDE A REQUEST FOR O H P TO PURSUE THE NEXT STEPS FOR ENFORCEMENT. IT IS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION BEFORE H D R C AND IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHEN AN OWNER, OWNER IS BLATANTLY VIOLATING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND THE CITY'S PERMITTING PROCESS FOR HOME IMPROVEMENTS. WE NOTE THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER CAME THROUGH H D R C IN 2017, CASE NUMBER 2017 DASH SIX 16. THEREFORE, THERE IS KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROCESS FOR OBTAINING A C OF A. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR, AND THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. OKAY. UM, ANY COMMENTS, MR. GANDY? YES, SIR. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. IT MIGHT BE FOR STAFF. UM, DO YOU COMMENTED ON THE FRONT STEPS, WHAT ABOUT THE SI THE STEPS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOME? WERE THEY ON THE SAND WARMER, BUT THOSE WAS ORIGINAL, THE SIZE THERE. SO THE, UH, I BELIEVE THE SANDBORN MAP IS IN HERE, SO I'LL, I'LL GO TO IT. UH, CAN I, THERE IS A, THERE, THE, THE STEPS AREN'T NOTED. THERE IS A CARPORT NOTED. UM, THE DOOR THERE IS ORIGINAL, SO THERE WAS SOME STOOP OR SOME ELEMENT THERE. UM, WAS IT THIS PROFILE THAT'S UNDETERMINED? UM, UM, DURING THE VISIT, OH, I'M SORRY. DURING THE VISIT. UM, IT IS POURED OVER THE LAP SIDING, SO I CAN'T SEE HOW IT COULD'VE POSSIBLY, I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR IT TO BE, I THINK THEY JUST ENLARGED IT AND THEY PUT THAT WINDOW IN THERE TO PUT THE AIR CONDITIONER IN AND THANK YOU. SO I'M J I'M JUST, IT COULD JUST BE SCALED DOWN. I THINK IT WOULD MAKE US E IT WOULD BE EASIER TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND I, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER SCALE FOR THE, YEAH, FOR THE DOOR. UM, I HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR OUTSIDE MY SIDE DOOR. WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW? WHERE THAT STOOP LIKE WHERE THAT, WHERE THOSE STAIRS ARE? I, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T, I, I DON'T KNOW. I I, I WOULD SAY IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S FOUND. SO BETWEEN EIGHT AND A HALF AND 10 FEET OR SO, IT'S RELATIVELY NARROW ONCE YOU GET TO THE STOOP. UH, IT MAY GO DOWN TO LESS THAN EIGHT FEET. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BAKER, MR. CHAIR. UH, AS A NEW MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING THAT, THAT WAS DONE IN THE SITE VISIT OR ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS, BUT, UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS WEST SIDE, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE FROM THE HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE THE, UH, THE OBSTRUCTION TO, TO VEHICLE ACCESS THERE. AND I CAN SEE WHY, UH, THIS RENOVATION WOULD'VE BEEN PROPOSED. UM, WHAT I DON'T KNOW AND, AND COULDN'T SEE QUICKLY IN THE DOCUMENTS WAS, IS THERE ANOTHER MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF THE HOUSE SO THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LIKE, WERE THERE ONLY TWO DOORS AT THE BEGINNING AND THIS IS ONE THAT'S CLOSED, OR IS THERE ANOTHER DOOR? I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF FIRE SAFETY AND THE ABILITY OF THE OCCUPANTS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE QUICKLY IF THEY NEEDED TO. THAT WAS MY FIRST CONCERN. AND IF, IF THAT'S ADDRESSED, THEN, UH, I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW IF, FROM AN AESTHETIC APPEARANCE, IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO SORT OF A, A, A, UM, CONCESSION OR A, UH, NE NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT TO REPLACE THE DOOR ON THE WEST SIDE WITH A WINDOW THAT HAD OPENINGS THAT LOOKED THE SAME AS THE ORIGINAL OPENINGS OF THE WINDOW AND CONSISTENT OF THE DOOR AND CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE, SUCH THAT YOU COULD MAINTAIN SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL APPEARANCE, [00:45:01] BUT THEN GAIN THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE FULL, UM, FULL DIMENSIONS OF THE DRIVEWAY. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY TWO THOUGHTS AS A, AS A NEW MEMBER ON THE COMMISSION. OKAY. THAT SOUNDS MR. GANDY. IS THERE ANOTHER, IS THERE A REAR DOOR ON THE HOUSE? YES. YES, THERE IS. OKAY. SO THERE'S, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD BE NICE. AND THEN I COULD HAVE FULL USE OF MY DRIVEWAY. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION? EXCUSE ME. WAS THE, UM, MOTION THAT SIDE DOOR, WHAT DOES IT LEAD FROM OR TO, IS IT USED, WAS IT USED BY YOU? NO, NO, IT, IT'S LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LIVING ROOM. . REALLY? YEAH. I, I THINK THE CONFIGURATION OF THE HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. THERE WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS A FIRE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WOOD AND FROM TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS BELIEVE IT HAPPENED. SO I CAN'T FIND ANY RECORD WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR I DON'T KNOW IF THEY JUST PUT IT OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. UH, MID SIXTIES AND I THINK THERE WAS A SMALLER, LIKE, FORMAL DINING, AND THEN THEY JUST MADE A BIG LIVING ROOM. 'CAUSE I'M SURE THEY TOOK OUT ALL THE SHEET ROCK AND IT WAS, UH, THEY, HE SAID THEY BELIEVED IT WAS AN ELECTRICAL FIRE, UH, SOMETIME IN THE MID SIXTIES. SO IT'S BASICALLY JUST ONE BIG LIVING AREA IN THERE NOW. BUT YOU COULD, I COULD, NOW THAT HE MISSED IT, I THINK THERE WAS A FORMAL DINING AS YOU CAME OUTTA THE KITCHEN, AND THEN IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS SEPARATED AND THAT DOOR WENT IN AND OUT OF THAT SMALLER ROOM AT THE TIME. BUT NOW IT'S JUST LIKE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR LIVING ROOM. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, IN THE PHOTO, IN THE FILE, WE SEE A CAR BEYOND IN THE GARAGE. A CARPORT? YEAH. I MEAN A GARAGE OR IN THE CARPORT, RIGHT? THE GARAGE, YES. OKAY. SO THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE, ENOUGH WIDTH IN THE DRIVEWAY TO JUST GET PAST THAT LANDING, ALTHOUGH THAT LANDING IS TRICKY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YES, CONTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? CERVANTES, ARE YOU APPLICABLE TO, APPLICABLE TO, UH, UH, TAKING, UH, TAKING THAT OFF AND USING YOUR BACK DOOR AND PUTTING A WINDOW IN THERE? LIKE, UH, YES, SIR. YEAH, THAT I, I, I NEVER CROSSED MY MIND, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE. IT WILL GET NO USE. IT GOES INTO A LIVING ROOM, CORRECT? THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE REST OF THE HOUSE? YEAH, IT'S JUST GONNA BE THERE FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, A WINDOW. OKAY. GOTCHA. THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE NICE. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, UH, THIS IS TO STAFF, ACTUALLY. IT'S BOTH TO STAFF. IT SEEMS LIKE TWO PROPOSALS WERE BEING MADE HERE. ONE WAS TO EITHER TAKE THE PORCH BACK TO, UH, WHAT IT WAS WITH THE ARCHES OR THE OTHER IS TO COME UP WITH A CONFIGURATION THAT HAS WINDOWS THAT SORT OF EVOKE THE, THE FEEL OF THAT PORCH. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. UH, TYPICALLY HOW WE ADDRESS VIOLATIONS, UM, IF AN APPLICANT RETURNS TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITION PRIOR TO THE VIOLATION, AND TECHNICALLY A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS NO LONGER NEEDED. UM, OBVIOUSLY SEEING WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS TRYING TO DO AND USE THAT SPACE'S INTERIOR CONDITION SPACE, THAT'S WHERE THE, IF IT READS AND THE GUIDELINES, DIRECT STAFF OR THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND THAT IF A PORCH MODIFICATION'S TO BE MADE, IT SHOULD READ AS AN OPEN AIR OR A PORCH ELEMENT. RIGHT. UM, SO THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF WAS MORE OF A, UH, YOU CAN UTILIZE THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING, UH, PROFILE TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE AIMING AT BY ENCLOSING THE SPACE AND HAVING WINDOWS. UH, SO FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, EITHER OR WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. AND MR. NEY THEN, WHICH, WHICH SCENARIO ARE YOU, UH, REIGN TO? EITHER ONE OF THOSE? THE WINDOWS, I, I WOULD LIKE THE WINDOWS. UM, UH, ASBUILT JUST PUT ONE IN THERE, WHICH DOESN'T CONFORM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT DID ORIGINALLY. THEY JUST, I SAID, WE'LL JUST PUT A WINDOW THERE. AND THEY JUST PUT ONE, THEY'RE, I TOLD THEM ABOUT IT, STILL PAYING IT OFF, UH, THAT THEY, I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE, THREE WINDOWS IS THERE. OKAY. THERE'S FOUR WINDOWS. UM, AND I'D BE, YES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND WHAT IS THE COMPOSITION THIS OF THOSE WINDOWS? WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE MATERIAL? ARE THEY WOOD METAL? WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT'S [00:50:01] THE AS-BUILT PARTS DOING PER, WELL, I, I FIGURED THAT Y'ALL HAD A, I MEAN, WHATEVER FITS IN THAT HISTORIC, WHATEVER Y'ALL WOULD SPECIFY TO. OKAY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF THAT HAS BEEN PINNED DOWN YET OR NOT. UH, THAT HASN'T, UM, SO, UM, THE EXISTING WINDOWS, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. UM, OBVIOUSLY THE, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WERE REPLACED AND STEEL CASEMENT WINDOWS WERE ADDED IN THE FIFTIES OR SIXTIES. UM, STAFF STANDARDS, UH, FOR NEW WINDOWS, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND A WOOD WINDOW, OR THERE MAY BE AN APPROPRIATE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW THAT THE APPLICANT COULD FIND. WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND A SALVAGE OR REPAIRED WINDOW TO INSTALL. UH, BUT STAFF STANDARDS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE STILL CASEMENT WINDOWS HERE AND THAT THOSE HAVE SOME ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, A METAL WINDOW OR A CLAD WOOD WINDOW WOULD, WOULD LIKELY BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. OKAY. AND ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR STAFF. THERE WAS MENTIONED BY THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S REPRESENTATIVE THAT THE ONGOING VIOLATIONS, IF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY ARE ADDRESSED IN THIS, THAT THERE WERE FOR US, IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, DOES THAT ADDRESS ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS? ARE THERE STILL ISSUES TO BE RESOLVED? I, THAT ADDRESSES EVERYTHING, UH, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, OR AT LEAST ANY VIOLATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITH STAFF, UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS BEEN CORDIAL AND RESPECTFUL, UM, AND HAS BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF. SO I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE AN ISSUE, UM, IN, IN MOVING FORWARD. UM, OFTEN WHAT WE DO IS WE'LL CREATE AN, A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT, UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH AN APPLICANT TO WHERE THEY CAN PROVIDE STAFF A REALISTIC TIMELINE THAT THEY CAN STICK TO. UM, AND AS THEY'RE MAKING, UH, AS THEY'RE UPDATING OR, UH, THEY'RE REACHING MILESTONES, THEY'LL UPDATE STAFF AND THEN STAFF WILL CONFIRM WITH THE SITE VISIT OR TIMELY PHOTOS. UH, SO, UM, ACTION TODAY, UM, WOULD ADDRESS THE VIOLATIONS, UH, AND THEN STAFF WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UM, WORK BEING COMPLETED, UM, AS THE APPLICANT'S ABLE TO, UH, IN A, IN A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME. OH, IF I THANK YOU. IF, IF I, UM, NOW IF WHAT IF WE RECREATED THE, UH, THE SCREEN LIKE IT'S ON THE SIDE, THAT MIGHT MAKE IT REALLY LOOK A LOT LIKE IT DID ORIGINALLY. WE COULD JUST BUILD, YOU KNOW, OVER THE, YEAH, LIKE ON THE SIDE YOU CAN SEE, 'CAUSE WE, THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS OLD, IT'S A HISTORIC HOUSE. UM, THEY'RE JUST HUNG, UH, SCREENS THAT GO ON THE OUTSIDE. AND IF WE PUT THOSE OVER THE WINDOWS, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT LOOK, I MEAN, I COULD, I COULD, I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE ME A FEW WEEKS, BUT I COULD HAVE AS-BUILT DRAW, DRAW IT WITH THE SCREENS OVER THE FRONT. I DON'T, MR. CHAIR, IF THAT WOULD HELP. I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION, SOME COMMENTS. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP, AND, AND THIS IS WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I THINK THAT, UM, WOOD SCREENS IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST SOLUTION. I THINK IT ALL GOES BACK TO RECREATING A STRUCTURE LIKE THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THE FRONT PORCH. YES. I THINK STAFF'S GOT IT RIGHT ON THAT ONE. I ALSO FEEL LIKE STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON, ON THE DOOR. UH, IT'S VERY COMMON TO SEE THOSE SIDE DOORS IN THE HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM. . SO NOT, I WOULDN'T, UH, SUPPORT LIKE THE COMMENT FROM COMMISSIONER BAKER OR THE OTHERS THAT, YOU KNOW, REPLACING IT WITH A WINDOW DOOR. IF THERE WAS A DOOR WE DIDN'T LIKE THE DOOR. SO, UM, BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE REQUEST, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATION TO CLARIFY, THAT WOULD BE EXISTING SITING TILE PROFILE BE MAINTAINED. OKAY. OKAY. THE ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, I WOULD SAY APPROVE OF A STAFF STIPULATION. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE TO ADD THE FOLLOW THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FROM THE GUIDELINES. I THINK I'LL ADD THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE WINDOW MATERIALS, BUT I GET, UH, STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO APPROVE THAT. SO PRIOR TO BUYING ANYTHING, JUST, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE STAFF. YES. PLANS AND MATERIALS. ITEM NUMBER THREE, I WOULD SAY, UH, DENIAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING DOOR OPENING. BUT I WOULD BE, UM, UH, I WOULD APPROVE THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE CONCRETE STOOP AND STEPS TO, UM, AND I WOULD SAY TO ALIGN MAYBE WITH THE GATE OPENING, WHICH THE POLE OF THE GATE AND WHEREVER THE DOOR ENDS, AND I THINK STAFF CAN REVIEW THE FINAL SIZES AND PLANS FOR THAT. AND THEN, UH, DENIAL OF ITEM FOUR. BUT, UM, [00:55:02] I THINK, UM, IF YOU WERE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE LAST STEP, RETURN IT TO THE, I MEAN, JUST A LITTLE MODIFICATION TO THE, IT WOULD, THE LANDING, YOU CAN SAY, WELL, WE SO KEEP THE WIDTH, BUT IT'S FURTHER NO CHANGES TO COME THE WIDTH FURTHER BECAUSE THE TREADS ARE JUST REALLY SHORT. YES. AND IT'S, AND I THINK YOU CAN'T REALLY USE THAT. STAFF WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THE PLAN I TO THINK NO MODIFICATION TO THE MATERIALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. CORRECT. UM, AND LOOK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE VERY COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES, SIR. I THINK THAT COVERS ALL ITEMS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THE MOTION SO WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND. CAN I, CAN I, SO NOW I'M SORRY, CAN I REPEAT THAT? UH, OKAY. SO APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS APPROVAL, UM, OF ITEM NUMBER TWO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, STAFF'S WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS ARE TO BE FOLLOWED. DENIAL OF I DENIAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. THAT'S THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING DOOR OPENING. HOWEVER, UH, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO THE CONCRETE STUPID STEPS TO NARROW THE WIDTH, UH, TO ALIGN WITH THE GATEPOST. UM, DENIAL NUMBER FOUR, HOWEVER IT IS OKAY FOR THE APPLICANT TO, IF I UNDERSTOOD THIS CORRECTLY, INCREASE THE RISE OF THE STEPS TO ALIGN WITH. SO IT IS THERE, IS HE MAKING IT MORE COMPLIANT? I FEEL LIKE THE LAST STEP, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN MODIFICATIONS, BUT I HAVE THESE SAME STEPS AND IT'S JUST THE, THE TILE WOULD KIND OF, LIKE, THE BRICKS WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE SAME, ON THE THREE TILES. AND I SEE THAT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE, AND MAYBE, UH, COMMISSIONER, CHAIRMAN FETZER CAN JUST HELP, LIKE RISING IT UP TO WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS PROBABLY LIKE FIVE OR SIX INCHES. I, SO IT JUST BECOMES, I'LL NOTE, UM, I WAS THERE ON SITE AND IN MY OPINION, TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE STEPS TO HAVE A LANDING WHERE YOU COULD WALK OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR THAT WOULD THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO, IT WOULD INCUR CHANGE THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE CONCRETE, THE POURED CONCRETE STEPS. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF, I THINK IF THE LANDING WAS EXTENDED OUT AND IF THE RISE CHANGED FOR THE LAST SET, UM, THAT WOULD CREATE A SITUATION SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE. JUST A, AN ODD PROPORTION. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT I MEANT. YES. I WOULD SAY FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE, THE STAIR, IF IT WAS MADE CODE COMPLIANT, WHICH MEANS THE DEPTH OF THE TREAD AND THE HEIGHT OF THE RISER WITHIN CODE, UH, LIMITS AND INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THIS TOP STEP TO BE MORE OF A LANDING. SO AS YOU COME OUT THE DOOR, YOU'RE STANDING ONTO A LANDING RATHER THAN JUST THE, A SINGLE WIDTH, UH, TREAD. UM, WELL I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN FOLLOW, UH, TO ENSURE OR TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON INSTALLING CODE COMPLIANCE STEPS WITH A LANDING THAT'S SAFE. YES. UM, AND THEN WOULD THERE ALSO BE THE STIPULATION THAT AN EX OR A, A BRICK TILE MATERIAL BE INSTALLED? YEAH, SAME MATERIAL, SAME DESIGN, SAME CONFIGURATION. OKAY. IS THAT CLEAR ON THE MOTION, MR. CHAIR? MY, MY, UH, I, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT I, I BELIEVE THAT I, I THINK YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD BUILD STEPS THAT LOOK LIKE THOSE, THAT ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GOING ONE STEP HIGHER SO THAT THE, THE HIGHEST STEP IS LEVEL WITH THE, THE THRESHOLD OF THE DOOR. AND THEN YOU COULD COME OUT MAYBE TWO STEP WIDTHS. SO IT'S A, A SMALL LANDING. SO IN ESSENCE, THE NEW, THE NEW STAIRS VISUALLY LOOK ONE STEP HIGHER AND THEN WOULD BE TWO STEPS FURTHER OUT BE MADE OF THE SAME MATERIAL. SO IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A LARGER VERSION OF THE EXISTING, AND I DON'T KNOW THE, THE PHYSICAL, IF THERE'S ANY PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS OF THE, OF, OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE OR THAT GO IN AND OUT. BUT TO ME IT WOULD BE, IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS MY OLDER RELATIVES, I WOULD FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A SAFER HOUSE AND IT WOULD STILL MATCH IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HISTORICAL THEME. A AND, AND TO THE, THE SAME POINT, OR, OR FOR THE SAME REASONS ON THAT WEST SIDE, I GUESS I, I REMAIN IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THOSE STAIRS. UM, BECAUSE FOR THE SAME REASON PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING IN AND OUT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE STAIRS THAT, AND THAT, THAT CONCRETE LANDING PROVIDE HISTOR, THAT, THAT THE HISTORICAL VALUE THEY PROVIDE [01:00:01] IS, IN MY OPINION, OUT OUTWEIGHED BY THE PRACTICAL ACCESSIBILITY OF A VEHICLE IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY TO A SHELTERED AREA. SO I, I, I GUESS I, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, OF WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR THAT ITEM. AND I'M ABLE TO, I, I GUESS I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EXTENT. THIS IS MY, THIS IS MY NEW COMMISSIONER. IGNORANCE. I APOLOGIZE. YOU CAN, YOU CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. SURE. SO I WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT ITEM NUMBER THREE BE APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE, THAT THE, UH, DOOR BE REPLACED WITH A WINDOW THAT MATCHES THE OTHER WINDOW ON THE SIDE OF THAT HOUSE AND, AND OTHER WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE IN ROUGHLY THE SAME LOCATION AS THE, THE WI AS THE WINDOWS ON THE ORIGINAL DOOR. THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL. I'M SORRY. SECOND. AND WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YES. OKAY. NOW DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT. ANYTHING TO ADD COMMISSIONER ANTE? NO, IT'S JUST, UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER. IT'S JUST USING A COMMON SENSE HERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A HAZARD THERE, IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE SOMEBODY BUMPS INTO IT IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE SO ALREADY WITH A CAR OR SOMEBODY'S CAR DOOR HITS IT, WHICH I'M SURE IS FULL OF MARKS THERE. RIGHT? SO AESTHETICALLY THE FUNCTIONALITY OUTWEIGHS, OR RATHER THE, THE, THE, THE NEED TO GET RID OF IT IS, IS A LITTLE HEAVIER THAN THE NEED TO KEEP IT. SO I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, NO, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER ADD OTHER THAN I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, SO, UM, I'LL BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT AMENDMENT? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER ON THE AMENDMENT. WELL, I THINK THE MOTION ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THE, THE SAFETY AND THE PRACTICALITY OF THAT. AND I THINK IT GIVES, UM, SOME LATITUDE, YOU KNOW, TO REDUCE THE LENGTH OF IT AND THE WIDTH OF IT, UH, TO TUCK IT IN CLOSER TO, UH, WHERE THE, THE FUNCTIONAL ENTRY IS TO THE DOOR OR THE DOOR WHEN IT GETS REPLACED. UM, SO I, I, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS, UM, AS, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, UH, FROM DISTRICT SEVEN SAID THAT THERE, THAT IS A VERY CHARACTERISTIC ASPECT OF THE, OF THE HOUSES IN THIS, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, TO HAVE THAT SIDE ENTRANCE. SO TO ELIMINATE IT COMPLETELY AND, AND PUT A WINDOW AS SORT OF A FALSIFICATION OF HISTORY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, I THINK WE AGREE ONE, UH, FIRST STEP IS, UM, I'M, I'M THE IDEA ALSO THAT WE DON'T MODIFY OPENINGS, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A DOOR, WE DO NEED THE STEPS TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT DOOR. UM, THERE IS A GATE AND I CAN SEE A POLE. UM, THERE'S NO PLANS OR ANYTHING, SO A CAR SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH FINE IF WE KEEP THOSE STEPS TO THAT, UM, SIZE OF THE GATE. AND TO BE HONEST, IT IS VERY COMMON IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I KNOW IT'S VERY COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT. OKAY. ANYTHING TO ADD? COMMISSIONER BAKER? NO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER MAZUA. UM, THE ONLY THING I THINK IS THAT THE TOP STEP NEEDS TO BE NOT JUST TWO STEPS DEEP, BUT AS, AS WIDE AS THE DOOR SWINGS OUT. AND EVEN A LITTLE FURTHER FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE. AND THEN WITH THE SIDE DOOR, I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT I LIVE IN A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOUSE THAT THE VERY SAME THING WAS DONE. UH, FRENCH DOORS WERE MOVED FROM THE DINING ROOM AND DOUBLE, DOUBLE WINDOWS WERE PUT IN, IN ITS PLACE AND IT FUNCTIONS WELL. WE, NOBODY WOULD GO IN AND OUT OF THE DINING ROOM THE WAY THE ORIGINAL HOUSE DESIGN WAS. SO I WOULD CONCUR WITH REMOVING THAT. ALTHOUGH IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IT CHANGED. AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WAS PROBABLY DONE ABOUT 65 YEARS AGO. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT THE, THE DOOR AND A SIDE SOUP ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE HOUSE. SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ON THE AMENDMENT? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO. NAYYY. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. NAYYY GROUP. NAY. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER. NAY. THAT'S FOUR. FOUR. SO MOTION FAILS. FOUR. FOUR. SO THE AMENDMENT FAILS. SO NOW WE'LL, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? [01:05:02] IF NOT, I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. I HAVE COMMENTS ON THE MOTION. OH, I'M SORRY. YES. UH, THE ORIGINAL MOTION, UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, THE MOTION TO THE DEGREE THAT, UM, I AGREE WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE. UM, NUMBER TWO, UM, NUMBER THREE, EXISTING DOOR. UH, NUMBER THREE, I AGREE WITH THE, UM, MODIFICATION OF THE SIDE. AND AS FAR AS THE FRONT DOOR, UM, WE'RE LOOKING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, COMMISSIONER GROUP, YOU ARE SUGGESTING A MODIFICATION. SO PERHAPS, UM, WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE A RECONSTRUCTION? ARE YOU OKAY WITH A RECONSTRUCTION? IT'S KIND OF LEAVING THAT UP TO STAFF TO REVIEW THAT ONCE THEY COME UP WITH WHAT MODIFICATIONS WILL BE DONE. UH, AND I THINK THAT WILL DEPEND. IT WILL BE A FULL RECONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHAT, AND I THINK STAFF CAN CLARIFY THAT. CORRECT. UM, WITH THE, THE FRONT FACADE, UM, AND THE PORCH STEPS, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN CLEAR DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF, FOR THE PORCH STEPS, SOMETHING THAT'S DECODE, WHETHER THAT'S THREE RISERS OR FOUR, UH, WITH AN INCREASED LANDING THAT HAS AN ADEQUATE SPACE FOR A DOOR, FOR THE DOOR TO SWING. UH, AND THEN FOR THE FRONT FACADE, UH, WE'LL SPEAK WHEN WORK WITH MR. GANDY, UM, HE'S GOT, UH, A FEW OPTIONS FOR WHICH DIRECTION THAT HE CAN GO IN AND TO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, FRONT DOORS SWING IN, RIGHT? THEY DON'T SWING OUT. BUT THIS IS A GATE THAT SWINGS OUTWARD. BUT MY, THIS ACTUALLY SWINGS OUT JUST A GATE, NOT THE FRONT DOOR. IT'S A GATE. YES. IT'S A, IT'S A GATE. THAT ACTUAL DOOR INTO THE HOUSE IS, YOU GO THROUGH THIS GATE AND IT IS A SIDE DOOR. IT SWINGS 'CAUSE IT'S PART OF THE PORCH. 'CAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE PORCH, RIGHT? YEAH. SO MY, MY COMMENT ABOUT THE STAIR THOUGH, AND THE RECONSTRUCTION, I DO AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED TO CODE SO THAT IT IS CODE COMPLIANT, RISER, TREAD, ET CETERA. BUT THAT PORCH ELEMENT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. AND PART OF THAT IS HOW IT SETS BACK A LITTLE BIT. THE FOUR, FIVE DIVISION, SIX DIVISIONS OF THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS. AND WE WANT THIS TO BE OPEN AND, AND TO READ AS A PORCH, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THERE WAS NO LANDING OUTSIDE THE PORCH. THE PORCH WAS THE LANDING. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT BY ADDING A LANDING, EVEN IF IT'S UH, I CAN SEE AN EXTENDED TOP RISE OR EXTENDED TOP TREAD, LET'S SAY AN EXTENDED TOP TREAD GOING TO A SEQUENCE OF RISERS AND TREADS BELOW. BUT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS LEGIBLE AS A LANDING IS KIND OF ODD TO A PORCH. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S HOW I'M SEEING IT. AND FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD, UM, RECOMMEND THAT STAFF BE REALLY CAREFUL TO KEEP THAT PORCH LOOK AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE IT READ AS A PORCH INTACT. CERTAINLY NOT. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, IS THERE A DIMENSION THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND? I DIDN'T GO ON A SITE VISIT, SO I CAN'T, UM, COORDINATE THAT WITH THE MATERIAL WORK WITH MR. GANEY. I THINK THAT WHAT WE HAD IN THE MOTION, AND I THINK WAS CLARIFIED, WAS THAT SOME OF MAYBE WEREN'T LIKE ENOUGH EVEN TO PUT A FOOT. SO WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT DOING LIKE A FULL LANDING. I THINK IT'S MAKING IT COMPLIANT IS KIND OF THE WORDING. RIGHT. AND, AND I THINK THAT WITHOUT MAKING ANY MAJOR VISUAL CHANGES, MODIFICATIONS. RIGHT. AND IS THAT GOOD GUIDELINE FOR YOU TO NOT IF IT, IT, IF THE APPLICANT COMES BACK WITH A MODIFICATION THAT'S REALLY READING AS A, A BEYOND, I WOULD SAY STAFF WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH IT TO US. UN UNDERSTAND. WELL, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT DIRECTION. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN THAT, SO THAT THE, UM, THAT METAL GATE IS, IS ON ITS LAST LEGS. SO IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF IT DIDN'T OPEN OUT MM-HMM. . 'CAUSE WHEN YOU OPEN OUT, YOU JUST, YOU CAN GO OUT OF IT, BUT YOU CAN'T GO IN IT. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THREE FEET. AND I DON'T THINK Y'ALL WANT A THREE FOOT LANDING ON IT. SO IF YOU'RE, AS, AS YOU STUDY THIS COURSE, IT NEEDS TO BE, AND YOU I THINK DECIDE TO MAKE THE, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND IT SHOULD OPEN, MAKE THE IN. YES. THAT'LL GIVE YOU MORE OPTIONS ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE STICK. AND THAT WAY YOU CAN STAY WITH YEAH, LIKE A, A TWO, A 16 INCH. YEAH. TWO FOOT. SO WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION. OKAY. SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINA? AYE. BAZOOKA [01:10:02] AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GREW. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. WE DO HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM SIX ON THE LINE. UM, IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT ONE. SO, UM, SINCE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM SIX AND IT'S BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD, UM, WE'LL PROCEED WITH THAT ONE. OKAY. SO RUBEN CARILLO, IF YOU CAN, UM, UNMUTE YOURSELF BY DIALING STAR SIX. RUBEN CAN. THERE YOU ARE. I'M HERE. PERFECT. SO MR. CARILLO, WELCOME. UM, YOUR COMMENTS ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. YES, WE AGREE WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE SHOULD HAVE. SHOULD HAVE ALL THE PLANS, UH, BY TOMORROW. SO YOU DO AGREE WITH SUBMIT THOSE? YOU DO AGREE WITH ALL OF THE STEPS? WE AGREE WITH THE, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? DO I HAVE A MOTION? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO STAFF. YES. UM, YOU'LL BE VERY, I MEAN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE APPLICANT ALSO REALLY, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THE FOUNDATIONS LATELY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, THE, THE, IS IT THE ALLEY THAT'S FLORENCE. IT'S A FINISH. SO THERE'S THE PICTURE SAYS ANOTHER. WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S TWO. THERE'S FLORENCE STREET, WHICH IS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY OR THE SOUTH. AND THEN THERE'S GOODLOW ALLEY, WHICH IS ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. AND IS THAT ALLEY FINISHED CONCRETE? UM, THEY'RE ALL PAVED ASPHALT, BUT THEY'RE ERODED. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY ISSUES WITH MISUNDERSTANDINGS WITH THE SETBACKS? NO. AND STAFF WILL VERIFY SETBACKS ON SITE? NO. THANK YOU. UM, I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SO, UH, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YEAH, THE REASON WHY I WANT TO, UM, TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THIS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF FEATURES THAT ARE NOT IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT STAFF MENTIONS THAT ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THE LAST THING ABOUT SETBACKS. OH, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I, THAT'S ONE ITEM. WINDOWS ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION. WHERE DO THOSE GO? UH, MAKE A REPLACEMENT OF THE MATERIAL OF STUCCO TO WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. UH, THIS IS, THIS COULD BE A GREAT LITTLE, UM, PROJECT AND, UH, I THINK HAVING IT DOCUMENTED, UH, FOR ANOTHER ROUND, UM, WOULD BE GREAT IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME TO A D R C FOR A QUICK LOOK, SEE BY THE, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT TOO. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER COMMENTS? YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. UM, I CONCUR WITH THOSE, UH, COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO SIX OR EIGHT STIPULATIONS, THAT BEGINS TO BE A KIND OF A FLAG FOR ME THAT THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE RESOLVED ON DESIGN. IF THESE CAN GET INCORPORATED AND BE, UH, IN PART OF A FINAL PRESENTATION, I'D BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRUB? I AGREE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BAKER? I AGREE. COMMISSIONER MAZUA. I ALSO AGREE. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, I JUST, UH, HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THE PICTURES THAT SHOW UP THERE WITH THAT RETAINING WALL, IS THAT A RETAINING WALL THAT'S IN THE FRONT THERE, OR IS THAT, IS THAT JUST A BUNCH OF ROCKS STACKED UP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OR IT IS IT, IT, IT, IT'S AN INFORMAL RETAINING WALL. UM, AND THE TREE ROOTS THERE ACTUALLY, UH, PROBABLY KEEPING THAT INTACT. UM, SO YES, THERE'S BOTH THERE. THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL, UH, SOMEWHAT OF AN INFORMAL RETAINING WALL, AND THEN THE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE, UH, ESSENTIALLY KEEPING THE OR OR RETAINING SOIL FROM THE STAIRS. SO ALL THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I'M IN AGREEMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. OKAY. AND I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND IN TAKING A ANOTHER LOOK [01:15:01] AT THIS WITH, UH, ALL THE DETAILS AND, UH, MATERIAL SELECTIONS ANALYZED. UM, SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SABINA? AYE. ZUKO? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GR AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. ZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. AND MR. CARILLO, AGAIN, THANK YOU, UH, AGAIN, MR. CARILLO, IF YOU, UH, CARE TO COME TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, JUST REACH OUT TO STAFF YES. AND WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT DETAILED MORE PRECISELY ON THE DOCUMENTS WE'RE GONNA TURN IN TOMORROW. THANK YOU. SO, AND, AND I'LL TALK TO EDWARDS TO SEE WHEN THE MEETING IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 0 5 5 15 CLUB. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 2,400 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH P. STAFF RECOMMENDS ADDRESSING THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS FOR FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING I TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED DRAWING, SHOWING THE FINALIZED FRONT ENTRY DESIGN, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED CHIMNEY AND ANY OTHER MATERIAL AND DESIGN MODIFICATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C BASED ON FINDING K THREE, THAT A DETACHED GARAGE IS UTILIZED IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED FRONT FACING ATTACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDING L AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A FINAL COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH PLANTING DETAILS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C AS NOTED IN FINDING P SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, THE APPLICANT HAS MET, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER TWO AND, UH, CONSENTS TO ALL STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STIPULATION NUMBER THREE. UH, THE STIPULATION TO DETACH THE GARAGE AND THE APPLICANT. GIBBY, GAR, UH, GILBERT GARZA IS WITH US IN PERSON. HELLO EVERYONE. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING TODAY? GOOD. OKAY. WELL, I I GUESS LEMME START BY SAYING THAT, UM, I THINK THAT I HAVE MET EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE REQUESTED, UH, I'VE CHANGED THE FRONT PORCH SO THAT WAY WE HAVE A FULL ARCH IN THE FRONT WITH A COLUMN ON THE RIGHT SIDE. UM, I HAVE CHANGED THE GARAGE DOOR TO A SOLID WOOD PANEL DOOR AS, UM, REQUESTED IN OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS THAT ONE, THAT H D C MEETING, THE H D R C HEARING ON THE 16TH, RIGHT? THAT WAS THE LAST MEETING. UM, I THINK THOSE WERE THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT WE HAD AS FAR AS WINDOWS. I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT. SALVINO HAD GIVEN US A, A, A RECOMMENDATION ON, ON HOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE WINDOWS. SO WE, UH, ADDRESSED THOSE. I'VE SUBMITTED, UH, WINDOW DIAGRAMS, I'VE SUBMITTED, UH, WINDOW DETAILS. SO, UH, WE ARE GONNA COMPLY WITH OUR TWO INCH RECESS ON THE WINDOWS. UM, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ASKED FOR, I THINK WE'VE COMPLIED WITH. SO I'M HOPING THAT EVERYTHING IS IN LINE AND WE CAN GET OUR KIDS READY TO ROLL. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION. DO YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO, I'M SORRY. DO WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS? YEAH. SO WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 8 5 1 5 CLUB DRIVE. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO AGREES WITH O H P STAFF AND MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION STIPULATIONS THAT FINALIZED DRAWINGS AND SPECS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT AGREE THAT A DETACHED GARAGE IS NECESSARY, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE AND ITS CONTEXT ON A BLOCK THAT FEATURES FRONT FACING GARAGES. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A DESIGN THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE SCALE MASS AND MATERIALS USED TRADITIONALLY IN MONTICELLO PARK, AND WE COMMEND THEIR WORK TO CONFORM TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A MOTION. OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT IN PERSON. APOLOGIES. UH, BIANCA MALDONADO? YES, [01:20:05] I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO AND I'M OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, THE PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS NEW BUILD ON THIS LOT. IT'S THE FIRST WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SINCE OUR PHASE ESTABLISHED THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR ADDRESSING CONCERNS OF BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. WE NOTE THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS LOT, WHICH WAS SUBDIVIDED OFF THE PROPERTY AT FIVE 11 CLUB DRIVE. IT'S WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. IT HAS LIMITATIONS ON FILL REQUIREMENTS, WHICH LIMITS THE BUILDABLE AREA ON THE LOT, AND PRESENTS CHALLENGES FOR A DETACHED GARAGE ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT. AND FOR THIS PROJECT FROM THIS HOME, WE SUPPORT A SMOOTH FINISHED STUCCO AND A CLAY TILE ROOF THAT WAS APPROVED DURING CONCEPTUAL BASED ON THE UNIQUE CONDITIONS. WE ALSO SUPPORT THE ORIENTATION AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, THE GARAGE ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT IT'S NINE FEET SETBACK OFF THE FRONT FACADE, THE 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY APPROACH, THE SMOOTH STUCCO FINISH, THE CLAY TILE, AND THE FOUR OVER 12 ROOF. WE REALLY ARE THANKFUL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE TO OUR CONCERNS AND TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. WE SUPPORT STAFF STIPULATION STIPULATIONS FOR ITEM TWO AND FOR ITEM FOUR, WE ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, UM, THAT THE ENTRANCE BE CELEBRATED WITH PROMINENCE IN WHICH THE ARCHWAY HAS IN MANY OF THE MONTICELLO PARTS HISTORIC DISTRICT. I PUT THIS ONE UP PARTICULAR, THIS IS AT THREE 15. THIS IS ON CLUB DRIVE, HOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ENTRANCE, HOW IT RESONATES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SEVERAL OF OUR HOMES HAVE VERY UNIQUE ENTRANCES, AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE RENDERING THAT WAS JUST SUBMITTED, IT WAS JUST CHANGED. SO WE ARE, THIS IS A LIVE COMMENT ESSENTIALLY, UH, BASED ON THE REVISED PLANS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO YOU. AND WE'VE JUST ASKED THAT EVERYTHING BE DONE TO CELEBRATE THE PROMINENCE OF THAT ENTRANCE BECAUSE IT IS VERY, THAT'S A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT TO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE HOME IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO I THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE THUS FAR. HE HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE TO THAT. CAN WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TO CELEBRATE THAT TRUE ARCHWAY AND OBVIOUS WITHOUT A WINDOW SPEC THAT THEY'RE GONNA MEET THE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOW WITH EXTERIOR MUTTONS AND A BRONZE FINISH WOULD ADDRESS CONCERN NUMBER ONE. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT THE LAST NINTH INNING AND THE LAST, YOU KNOW, TWO OUTS AND WE'RE READY TO GO. I THINK THEY'RE READY TO BUILD. AND SO THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING OUR COMMENTS AND, UH, REALLY WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND TAKING OUR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I MOVE THAT, UH, FOR APPROVAL STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER THREE. I WOULD LIKE NUMBER THREE AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. SO NOW DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES CERVANTES, UH, YEAH, I I COMMEND YOU SIR. UH, ON, ON THE WORK YOU'RE DOING HERE. IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE CHANGED EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR. YOU'VE BEEN, YOU WERE ASKED FOR MULTIPLE CHANGES THROUGHOUT, PROBABLY EVERY COMMISSIONER HERE HAS HAD, HAD GIVEN A SUGGESTION TO YOU AND YOU COMPLIED WITH EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. I CAN'T THINK OF ONE, MAYBE EXCEPTION NUMBER THREE. BUT EVERYTHING YOU, WE'VE ASKED, YOU'VE DONE AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO WORK, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO KIND OF BRING THIS TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE, UH, THIS PROJECT AS IT COMES TO FRUITION. OKAY. WHAT IS STIPULATION NUMBER THREE? I'M TRYING UNDERSTAND. DETACH GARAGE. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, MR. GARZA, I'D LIKE TO ALSO COMMEND YOU. I I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE, WE'VE DONE. UM, THANK YOU. UH, I THINK YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING HERE THAT YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DAUGHTER. I, I BELIEVE THIS IS FOR YOUR DAUGHTER AND THAT FAMILY. MY DAUGHTER AND MY SON-IN-LAW. YEAH. YES. UM, HE MENTIONS YOU ALL THE TIME. SO, UH, , I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE POWERFUL. SO, UM, I'LL DEFINITELY BE SUPPORTING THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YEAH, THANK YOU. UM, MR. GARZA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSISTENT WORK AND RESPONSIVENESS. THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS WHOLE, UH, PROCESS. I THINK YOU'RE THIS HOUSE, UM, UH, WE'LL END UP BEING REALLY A GREAT EXAMPLE ALSO AS WELL AS A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE. IT SHOWS WHAT WE CAN DO WHEN WE WORK WITH OUR GUIDELINES AND WITH GOOD DESIGN. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND HOW A HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE, UM, AN EXAMPLE OF FALSE HISTORICISM, BUT IT, NOR IS IT NEW SUBURBAN OUT IN THE LOOP KIND OF HOUSE EITHER. IT'S SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I, UM, I DO WANNA EXTEND MY APPRECIATION. I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, HELP AND YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSISTENCE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING YOUR, UH, DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I DO HAVE [01:25:01] A BIT OF CONCERN THAT WE DON'T HAVE CUT SHEETS ON THE WINDOWS AND WE DON'T HAVE A CUT SHEET ON THE GARAGE DOOR, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE GARAGE IS SUCH A PROMINENT ELEMENT, AND THIS IS SUCH AN EXCEPTIONAL CASE AS FAR AS, UH, A, A LOT OF THE SIZE AND, AND, UH, SO SO MUCH OF THE, THE FRONTAGE IS, IS DOMINATED BY THAT GARAGE. SO, UM, I HOPE YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF, BRING THEM THE CUT SHEETS AND THE STAFF WILL, UH, FIND SOMETHING, UH, UH, THAT MEETS THE, THE CHARACTER. I, I LIKE THIS SORT OF SIMPLE PANEL SYSTEM RATHER THAN THE ONES THAT YOU WERE SHOWING EARLIER IN EARLIER, UM, SCENARIOS WHERE THERE WERE SMALL LITTLE ARCHES THAT FELT VERY SUBURBAN TO ME AND NOT IN CHARACTER WITH THE, WITH THIS SORT OF, UH, SPANISH COLONIAL REVIVAL STYLE. THANK YOU. IF I CAN INTERJECT REAL QUICK, UH, THE PROMINENT ARCH THAT SHE HAD MENTIONED, I HAD CHANGED THE FRONT ELEVATION. IT HAD AN ARCH THAT WAS DYING INTO THAT HALF BALL. I'VE CHANGED IT. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL KIND OF ACCENTUATE THE ENTRY. AS BIANCA HAD STATED, THE DOORS, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A MANUFACTURER'S CUT SHEETS. IS THAT WHAT Y'ALL ARE WANTED? YES. UNLESS YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING THEM CUSTOM MADE. WELL, UH, NORMALLY WHAT YOU DO ON A METAL DOOR, A A METAL ALUMINUM DOOR IS YOU HAVE IT PURCHASED AND THEN YOU HAVE IT CUSTOM MADE. UH, I'D LIKE TO PUT WOOD IN FRONT OF IT SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT, THEY SELL BRAINS PANEL DOORS LIKE THAT METAL, AND THEN THEY'RE STAMPED AND LOOK LIKE WOOD. WELL, I DON'T WANT THAT. I WANT IT TO BE WOOD. SO I WAS GONNA HAVE IT CONSTRUCTED ON SITE. YES. AND I, AND I SAW IN THE EARLIER, UH, SUBMISSION MATERIALS WHERE YOU HAD A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS YEAH, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT VERSIONS. AND I, I LIKED ONE WHERE IT WAS THE SIMPLER YEAH. WHICH IS, WHICH IS THAT ONE. AND, AND, UH, SO I WON'T HAVE ANY MANUFACTURER'S CUT SHEETS ON THAT, BUT I WILL DO I GUESS A DETAIL SHEET FOR YOU. UH, AND AS FAR AS THE FRONT DOOR IS CONCERNED, I AM WORKING WITH A FRONT DOOR COMPANY, SO I WILL HAVE THEM DO A CUT SHEET ON THAT AND I WILL SUBMIT THAT. HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT GONNA HOLD US FROM GETTING SOME SORT OF APPROVAL TODAY. NO. AND IN FACT, I APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'LL HAVE A MORE TRADITIONAL LOOK. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GRU. THANK YOU. YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE STIPULATIONS IS STILL THERE IS JUST, IT MEANS THAT YOU GET THE APPROVAL. IT'S JUST WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION AND BEFORE YOU BUY IN MATERIAL, I'LL JUST SUGGEST YOU, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WILL BE UPDATED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR, SO THAT'S THE THING IS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO CONSIDER THAT AND SUBMIT IT TO STAFF SO THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, SO WE MAKE SURE WE ALSO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER ON THE WINDOWS. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE YOU BUY A WINDOW SURE, SURE. SUBMIT IT TO STAFF. YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE A BIG PURCHASE. AND THEN IT WASN'T WITH WHAT WE SAID ON THE GUIDELINES, SO I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE THE DRAWINGS. YEAH, NO, THESE ARE THE FINAL DRAWINGS. UH, I WILL SUBMIT CUT SHEETS. IF YOU NOTICE ON THE DRAWINGS, I'VE CHANGED THE FRONT ELEVATION, I'VE CHANGED THE GARAGE DOOR. GO TO THE FLOOR PLANS PLEASE. UM, I HAVE CHANGED WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE, ARE INDICATED ON THE FINAL PLANS. UH, I'VE NOTED THAT THEY HALF COLUMNS FOR, WE DIDN'T SEE THOSE AND THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, THAT'S WHY WE JUST KEEP INFORMATIONS THERE. IT'S NOT, NOT FEEDING. BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU GUYS ASK FOR SOMETHING, I AM VERY DILIGENT AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS. UH, I'M FIGHTING 2, 2, 2, 2 OBSTACLES HERE. I NEED TO MAKE SURE I GET IT APPROVED. BUT THEY'VE GOT TO THE END OF THE MONTH, THEY'RE AT A 3% BANK LOAN, AND AT THE END OF THE MONTH THAT LAPSE AND THEY GO INTO THE NEW RATE, WHICH IS SEVEN OR 8%. AND SO I'M FIGHTING TWO BATTLES HERE. SO, UH, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY MY URGENCY. THANK YOU. SUPPORT THE APPROVAL. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BAKER, ANY COMMENTS? NO THANKS COMMISSIONER MAZUA, NO COMMENTS OTHER THAN GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT. WELL, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO CLOSE BY SAYING THANK YOU GUYS FOR EVERYTHING AT THE BEGINNING. I GUESS I'LL, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WAS A LITTLE TAKEN BACK, BUT I GUESS IT'S KIND OF LIKE A FAMILY. YOU KIND OF GROW WITH EACH OTHER AND LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. AND AS LONG AS WE'RE GIVING AND TAKEN, UH, IT'S BEEN, IT WAS A TOUGH START, BUT IT'S ENDING UP TO BE A REALLY NICE, UH, ENDING, I GUESS. UH, I THINK MY DAUGHTER AND SON-IN-LAW MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY TO YOU GUYS, IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. AND RACHEL, THANK YOU. UH, HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS DEAN LAHA. THIS IS MY WIFE CELESTE. AND REALLY WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW OUR, OUR APPRECIATION TO THE COMMISSION AND, UH, REALLY, UH, JUST INDIVIDUALLY AND, AND, UM, SINCERELY SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE, UH, FOR THE SUGGESTIONS, THE COMMENTS, UM, REGARDING THE, THE DESIGN AND, YOU KNOW, BEING BORN AND RAISED, BOTH OF US BEING BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO AND BOTH OF US BEING SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, [01:30:01] WE TREASURE SAN ANTONIO'S, UH, HISTORY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO MONTICELLO PARK, WE, WE, WE APPRECIATE THE HISTORY. WE WANT TO PRESERVE IT AS BEST AS WE CAN. THIS IS SOMETHING FOR US THAT WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE MOLD PERFECTLY INTO. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BE, UH, ACTIVE MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND, UH, AND THAT'S NEVER GONNA STOP. SO THE, I FEEL LIKE THE DESIGN, UM, OUR INTENTIONS, UH, THE COMMISSION'S INTENTIONS WERE BOTH MET. AND WE, WE JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND JUST TO REITERATE WHAT MY HUSBAND SAID, THANK YOU SO MUCH TO EVERYONE FOR HELPING NOT ONLY US, BUT MY DAD AS WELL DURING THIS PROJECT. I KNOW HE COULD BE A LOT, BUT THANK YOU. UM, IT'S REALLY SPECIAL TO HAVE THIS PROJECT GOING ON AND HAVE MY DAD BUILD IT. GROWING UP, I'VE SEEN HIM DESIGN AND BUILD HOUSES ALL OVER THE CITY, SO IT'S REALLY A DREAM COME TRUE TO HAVE HIM BUILD OUR DREAM HOUSE AND OUR DREAM NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE COULDN'T THANK YOU GUYS ENOUGH FOR YOUR GUIDANCE. UM, WE'RE JUST SO EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMUNITY AND GROW OUR LIFE AND GROW OUR FAMILY THERE. SO THANK YOU ALL. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND, UM, THANK YOU MR. GARZA FOR WORKING WITH US. THANK YOU. UM, AND ALSO THE, THE SOON TO BE HOMEOWNERS, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, UNDERSTANDING, UH, THE GUIDELINES AS WE PRESENTED THEM TO YOUR DAD AND, AND WORKED WITH YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SAVINA. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING HOW SQUIRMY PARTY, UH, MONTICELLO CITIZENS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 5 48 2 18 WASHINGTON. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL BARREL TILE METAL ROOF WITH THE GAL LOOM STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ROOF IS REPLACED WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS OR A MATERIAL SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO THE EXISTING TILE. IF THE H D R C FINDS ROOF REPLACEMENT WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, APPROPRIATE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM, AND A STANDARD GAL LOOM FINISH AND OTHERWISE MEETS STAFF STANDARD STANDING SEA METAL ROOF STIPULATIONS AND ONSITE INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS AND THE APPLICANT AND TAXI IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. HELLO EVERYBODY? YES MA'AM. WELCOME. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU, UM, LIKE TO HEAR MY PERSPECTIVE? YES, PLEASE. WELL, UM, I AM A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT AND, UM, I'M ALL ABOUT, UH, RETAINING THE, UM, HISTORIC MATERIAL. BUT SADLY IN THIS CASE, THE, UM, METAL ROOF TILES, UM, ARE DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR. MOST OF THEM DAMAGED BEYOND THEIR, THEIR USE. AND ALSO SADLY, AN IN-KIND REPLACEMENT IS NOT POSSIBLE SINCE THIS HISTORIC, NOW HISTORIC MATERIAL IS NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION REPLACEMENT WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR LOOKING MAY BE POSSIBLE, BUT IT'S EQUIVALENT AS A QUALITY ROOFING MATERIAL ISN'T KNOWN. WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL KINDS OF RESEARCH. UM, THE ABILITY OF A LOCAL ROOFING COMPANY TO INSTALL SOMETHING ISN'T REALLY KNOWN. THE EFFECTIVENESS OF IT TO TRULY REPLICATE THE OLD ROOF IS IMPROBABLE BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE FOUND HASN'T BEEN INDIVIDUAL ROOF TILES, BUT SORT OF SHEETS PRESSED INTO, INTO BARRELS. AND SO IT HAS SORT OF A CHEAPER, MORE REGULAR APPEARANCE THAN THE INDIVIDUAL TILES. AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AS WELL AS SEVERAL, UM, GENERAL CONTRACTORS ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THEY CONCUR THAT STANDING SEAM IS A BETTER SOLUTION, UM, FOR, FOR OUR PROJECT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO USE STANDING SEAM. IN ADDITION TO THE REASONS I'VE MENTIONED, UM, THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH ONCE HAD THE BARREL SHAPED METAL TILES NOW HAS A STANDING SEAM ROOF THAT WAS PUT ON IT SOME 30 YEARS AGO. AND NOW THE STRUCTURES WOULD ONCE AGAIN, UM, MATCH EACH OTHER AS THEY ORIGINALLY DID. UM, ALSO STANDING SEAM IS USED ON OUR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES AND NEARLY EVERY OTHER HOUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T REALLY [01:35:01] A POINT OF THE, UH, OF THE, UM, O H P PROCESS OR, UM, CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THE GARAGE ISN'T VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, SO, UM, IT, IT IS NOT EVEN A, A VISIBLE ELEMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO AT LEAST, UM, APPROVE A STANDING SEAM AS WE RESEARCH, CONTINUE OUR RESEARCH. UM, BUT WE DON'T WANT, SINCE, SINCE WE HAVEN'T FOUND AN APPROPRIATE SIMILAR LOOKING OR RATHER SIMILAR FUNCTIONING MATERIAL, UM, WE WOULD LIKE YOUR PERMISSION TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO STANDING SEEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMENTS? WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. THIS IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION'S ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING TWO 18 WASHINGTON STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 5 4 8. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE O H P STAFF FINDINGS. SINCE THE BARREL TILE METAL ROOF WAS ALLOWED TO BE REPLACED WITH A GAL STEAM STANDING SEAM ROOF ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT TO ALLOW THE SAME ON THE FIRE DAMAGED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS HARDLY VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. ALTHOUGH BARREL FILE METAL TILE IS AVAILABLE, THE FINISH AND PROFILE WILL NOT MATCH THE EXISTING METAL TILE. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL DO A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP A MOTION TO, UH, AND THIS IS ALSO BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION AND, UH, AND THE APPLICANT'S CASE. I'LL DO A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, UH, AND JUST INCLUDE THE STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR STANDING METAL ROOFS. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GRU. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER BAKER? NO THANKS COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO COMMENT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UM, I SUPPORT THE MOTION BUT MAYBE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST OR PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT SOME PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL METAL BARREL TILE, UH, ROOFING BE RETAINED AS AT, AT STOCK AND AS EVIDENCE TO, UM, WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY IF SOME FUTURE OWNER, UH, IS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE, THE HISTORY BE RECORDED IN SOME WAY. IS THAT A, AND I'LL MAKE THAT AN AMENDMENT, AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, ARE ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU THINK THAT SOME SHOULD BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE OR SHOULD REMAIN VISIBLE ON THE ROOF SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE. GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? IF, IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE AMENDED MOTION PROCESS. THAT SEEMS PRETTY, PRETTY EASY. MS. TOXIC, WOULD YOU BE BE WILLING TO SALVAGE SOME OF THE EXISTING METAL BARREL TILE AND, AND, UH, STORED ON SITE? ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE KEPT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM AND, UM, UH, WE WERE HOPING TO, I DON'T KNOW, JUST HOPING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO DO, BUT ABSOLUTELY. UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, UM, COMMISSIONER S UH, SAVINO, ANY COMMENTS? I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE SAME CON UM, COMMENT ABOUT SALVAGE, UM, BECAUSE PERHAPS SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE A ROOF THEY NEEDED TO REPAIR. OKAY. SO, UM, IM IN SUPPORT. I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I 2:00 AM IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, UM, CO-CHAIR CARPENTER AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YES. SO I'M, I'M FOR THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SANTES, NO COMMENTS. OKAY. MY COMMENT WOULD BE, UH, IF YOU COULD SALVAGE AND STORE SEVERAL OF THE, THE PANELS ON SITE AND THEN I WORK WITH O H P FOR THE, UM, SALVAGE PROGRAM THAT THEY ARE, UM, HAS STARTED WITH THE CITY AND THERE MAY BE OTHER PROJECTS WHO COULD POSSIBLY USE SOME OF THE MATERIAL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SO YOU KNOW. AYE. ZUKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.