* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] I'D [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 21ST. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS IS ABSENT. FISH HERE. SAB. HERE. VELASQUEZ IS ABSENT. MORALES IS ABSENT. MASUKA HERE. CARPENTER'S ABSENT. GROUP. YES. HERE. ANTE HERE. BAKER HERE. AND ZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. ALRIGHT, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE'LL HAVE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. IF WE CAN HAVE A TRANSLATOR COME UP PLEASE. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIR IS SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PER FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT, OVERLAYS, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK SHANNON MILLER AND THE O H P STAFF FOR THEIR HERCULEAN EFFORTS. THIS YEAR THERE WERE OVER 2200 APPLICATIONS. SIX OVER 1600 WERE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY, ABOUT 600 CAME TO THE COMMISSION. 544 DEMOLITION PERMITS WERE REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THERE WERE 13 NEW HISTORIC LANDMARKS CREATED WITH OWNER SUPPORT. THIS WAS MANAGED WITH JUST SEVEN EMPLOYEES BETWEEN THE DESIGN REVIEW AND SCOUT SA TEAMS. I'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THAT O H P STAFF ATTENDS AND HOSTS A NUMBER OF EVENTS AFTER HOUR AFTER OFFICE HOURS AND ON THE WEEKENDS, WHICH SUPPORT THE MISSION OF THE DEPARTMENT AND OF THIS COMMISSION, INCLUDING THE PUBLIC INFORMATIONAL MEETING SCHEDULED. MANY MEMBERS OF O H P STAFF ALSO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND EXPERTISE WITH NONPROFIT PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING PRESERVATION ACTION, THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS AND SAN ANTONIO'S POWER OF PRESERVATION FOUNDATION. POWER OF PRESERVATION SUPPORTS HANDS-ON TRAINING AND SERVICE LEARNING PROJECTS LIKE REHA, BARAMA, AND THE STAR PROJECT, WHICH OVER TIME HAVE ACCOMPLISHED WORK ON OVER 200 HOMES IN SAN ANTONIO. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WE DO HAVE A FEW QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS, UM, REGARDING THE AGENDA. UM, JUST A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT THAT ITEMS 11, 12, AND 14, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, HAVE BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO THOSE WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. UM, WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE OR WE DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THOSE ITEMS, BUT THOSE ITEMS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED ON TODAY'S AGENDA. UM, THE OTHER ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT CITY OFFICES, MOST CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED, UH, THE WEEK OF DECEMBER 26TH. UM, SO THIS IS OUR LAST H C R C HEARING OF 2023 OR 2022 OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN WE'LL RECONVENE IN [00:05:01] JANUARY, UM, AT THE JANUARY, LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THE DATE RIGHT. 18TH MEETING WILL BE OUR FIRST MEETING IN UH, JANUARY. UM, SO SPEAKING OF JANUARY, THAT IS DOOR HANGER MONTH. UM, SO IF YOU LIVE IN ONE OF OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, YOU'LL BE RECEIVING ONE OF THESE DOOR HANGERS, UM, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE MONTH OF JANUARY. UM, THERE'S JUST INFORMATION AND NOTIFICATION ABOUT THE DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR GETTING WORK APPROVED, UM, INCENTIVES FOR REPAIR, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER RESOURCES FOR HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS, INCLUDING THE HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY FEBRUARY 11TH. SO ALL THE INFORMATION IS HERE, UM, IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH ON THE BACK. UM, SO SPEAKING OF THE FAIR ONE LAST, UH, PLUG, UM, THE DEADLINE FOR EXHIBITORS AND SPONSORS, UH, IS THE END OF THIS MONTH, UM, SLASH EARLY JANUARY IF YOU CAN GET IT TO US SOON. UM, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TO FILL A FEW MORE SPOTS. AND SO THIS IS FOR CONTRACTORS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, ANY SORT OF SPECIALTY, UM, FIELD, UH, IN DEALING WITH HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THIS IS REALLY A GREAT RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN A SORT DISTRICT SO YOU CAN GET TO KNOW, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIALIZED IN, UH, HISTORIC RENOVATION AND HISTORIC PROPERTIES. UM, AND SO, UH, SEEK US OUT. UM, YOU CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AT SAN ANTONIO.GOV/STEWART FOR MORE INFORMATION. UM, AND [Approval of Minutes] WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE GOOD TO TAKE ACTION ON MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 7TH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS AYE FISH? AYE. SABINO AYE. MAZUA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. UM, [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] SO MOVING ON TO, UH, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE HAVE A FEW VOICEMAILS, UM, AS WELL AS A FEW IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. SO LET'S BEGIN WITH A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM TWO. MY NAME IS LISA LIND, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 4 1 3 WIX STREET, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 5 7 3. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING OF RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES, FINDINGS, AND MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. SINCE TWO STORY ADDITIONS TEND TO OVERWHELM ONE STORY, HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND ARE GENERALLY DEEMED INAPPROPRIATE. ACCORDING TO THE GUIDELINES, WE RECOMMEND THAT GIVEN THE JENNER SLOT SLIDES, THE APPLICANT CONSIDER LOCATING ALL THE ADDITION ON THE GROUND LEVEL. IF, HOWEVER, THE H D R C FINDS THE SECOND STORY ADDITION APPROPRIATE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE ROOF FORM OF THE SECOND STORY ADDITION BE SIMPLIFIED INTO A SINGLE RECTANGULAR FORM WITH THE MAIN RIDGE ORIENTED PARALLEL TO THE STREET. AS DOES THE RIDGE ON THE EXISTING PRIMARY ROOF TO MITIGATE ANY VISUAL DOMINANCE OVER THE EXISTING ONE STORY RESIDENCE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE NEW PORCH COLUMN BASES BE CONSTRICTED OF WOOD. IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED NEW INTRODUCTION OF STONE BASES THAT ARE STYLISTICALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. WE RECOMMEND THAT THE FENCE HEIGHT MATERIAL AND GATE DESIGN BE SUBMITTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE DETAILS ARE APPROPRIATE WITH THE CAST CRAFTSMAN STYLE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN FOR ITEM THREE, WE HAVE IN-PERSON SPEAKER BIANCA MALDONADO. UH, MS. MALDONADO SHOULD RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. TOM SIMMONS AND JASON VASQUEZ ARE HERE AND HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. YEP, YEP, YEP. THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO'S FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. UM, I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GAR, THE PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, M P N A PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ALL EXTERIOR FACADE MATERIALS AT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO BE WOOD. HOWEVER WE FEEL THE APPLICANT IS IN APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE. WE RAISE CONCERN REGARDING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE WALLS AND THE FOUNDATION OF THE GARAGE AND HOW THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION CHANGES WILL BE MADE AND MEET CODE. THE PROPOSED CHANGES DO NOT DETAIL THE FOUNDATION AND THE HEADER OF THE ENTRY POINTS AT THE FRONT AND THE REAR OF THE GARAGE. IN A PRIOR H D R C CASE FOR THIS PROPERTY ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2022, H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 4 76, THE APPLICANT SUPPLIED A WEST STAR ALAMOS SURVEY DATED JULY 10TH, 2022 OF THE [00:10:01] PROPERTY, WHICH LABELS THE GARAGE STRUCTURE AS BEING SIDING, BUILDING ON WOOD. AND THE SMALL ADDITION AT THE REAR IS DESCRIBED AS SIDING. BUILDING ON CONCRETE. THERE IS A CODE REQUIREMENT FOR MINIMUM, MINIMUM DISTANCE OF THE FOUNDATION TO GRADE OUR I R C SECTION 4 0 4 0.1 0.6. A CONCRETE FOUNDATION WALL SHALL EXTEND ABOVE THE FINISHED GRADE ADJACENT TO THE FOUNDATION AT ALL POINTS TO BE A MINIMUM OF SIX INCHES. WHERE NON MASONRY VENEER IS USED, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS INDICATE THAT WATER DAMAGE TO THE LOWER PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING DOORS AND THE LACK OF SEPARATION FROM THE GROUND TO THE FINISHED FLOOR. THE CHANGES APPEAR TO INDICATE THE GARAGE IS BEING CONVERTED TO A DWELLING SPACE, WHICH WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CODE REQUIREMENTS TO THE STRUCTURE. WE NOTE THAT THE PROPERTY HAS ONE TYPE TWO NON-OWNER OCCUPIED SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT, AND THEREFORE THE SPACE AT THIS TIME CANNOT BE RENTED SHORT OR LONG TERM WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE. THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THE WOODLAWN LAKE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, WERE OPPOSED TO THIS PROPERTY ZONING CASE EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN THE APPLICANT SOUGHT TO HAVE THREE DWELLING UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU COULD ADD A STIPULATION TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE ITEM FIVE, UM, SARAH GOULD. OH, SORRY. HI, MY NAME IS SARAH GOULD. I AM, UM, RESIDENT OF 5 0 2 FOR DRIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN. UM, I HOPE THAT KO MEMORIAL WAY WILL BE THE FIRST OF MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO RECOGNIZE MEXICAN AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS HISTORY IN OUR CITY. UM, I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE MEXICAN AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS INSTITUTE, WHICH EXISTS TO HELP THE PUBLIC BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR NATION'S HISTORY OF MEXICAN AMERICAN EFFORTS TO INCREASE AND EXPAND CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL. I YUCA IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO START THIS EFFORT, AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TODAY IS HER BIRTHDAY, UM, 106 YEARS AGO TODAY, AND YUCA WAS BORN. AND WE HAVE A CAKE OVER HERE, WHICH WE INVITE YOU TO HAVE SOME OF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, GRACIE LOS SANCHEZ SIGNED UP FOR SUPPORT. DO YOU WANNA SPEAK? BUENO, THIS GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE ALWAYS. UH, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO JUST COME UP AND SAY THANK YOU FOR, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU SUPPORT, UH, THE CHANGE OF, UH, AYA STREET TO THE WAY, MEMORIAL WAY. UM, I MET EMMA WHEN I WAS 24 AND SHE WAS OLD 68 . HERE I AM A FEW YEARS AWAY FROM THOSE AGE, THAT AGE, AND IT'S AMAZING HOW TIME FLIES, BUT, UM, AND I LEARNED SO MUCH MORE ABOUT HER THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. AND ESPERANZA HAS HOSTED, UH, THEATER PRESENTATIONS AT OUR SPACE, AT THE PLAZAS AT OUR LADY OF THE LAKE AND, UM, BOOK SIGNINGS OF HER CHILDREN'S BOOK AND SO MUCH MORE. BUT WORKING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO TRY TO NAME BARLEY ELEMENTARY TO EMMA DEKA ELEMENTARY OR REESE ELEMENTARY GOT TURNED DOWN RIGHT AND LEFT IN THE NINETIES AND THE TWO THOUSANDS BECAUSE SHE WAS A COMMUNIST. SHE WASN'T SEEN AS A LABOR LEADER AND THAT'S WHO SHE WAS AND WHAT SHE DID FOR SAN ANTONIO, WHAT SHE DID FOR WORKING POOR PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED. SO WE SUPPORT THIS AND WE THANK YOU AS WELL FOR YOUR SUPPORT, CIA AND SHERRY CAMPOS. IF IT'S OKAY, I'M GONNA GET MY TAG TO . YES. COME ON UP MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND JUST MAKE SURE YOU SAY YOUR NAME INTO THE MICROPHONE. HELLO, MY NAME IS ED MAISE HOFFMAN AND MY ADDRESS IS 30 11 WHITETAIL SAN ANTONIO. AND I JUST WANNA SAY A FEW WORDS. UM, OF COURSE, I DID NOT PERSONALLY HAVE THE HONOR OF MEETING IA. UH, AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE A LARGE, UH, PHOTO OF HER AT THE CASITA ON GUADALUPE STREET. AND, UH, IT'S A VERY HUMBLE, UH, PHOTO OF HER WITH HER 1930S LITTLE HAT AND VEIL ON AND HER LITTLE 1930S SUIT. [00:15:01] AND IN THAT PHOTO SHE WAS BEING, UH, ARRESTED, UH, TO BE JAILED HERE IN SAN ANTONIO BECAUSE SHE WAS LEADING A PROTEST, UH, DOWN THE STREET HERE IN CAVAS FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE PICKER PECAN FACTORY. AND, UM, THEY WERE ASKING FOR, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF HIGHER WAGES IN ORDER TO MAKE, UH, A LIVING. AND OF COURSE YOU ALL KNOW THAT WAS DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION AREA. SO, UM, AGAIN, JUST HONORING HER TO BE, UH, SUCH A COURAGEOUS SOUL DURING THE 1930S. THIS LITTLE WOMAN WHO WORKED HARD TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU. UM, MOVING ON TO ITEM NINE. UM, LET'S PLAY THE VOICEMAIL FIRST AND THEN WE'LL CALL OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. HI, MY NAME IS JUAN MUNOZ. I'M FROM 6 1 8 DONALDSON AVENUE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY AT 2 2 1 9 WITH CY SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS AND H D R C CASE NUMBER IS 2 0 2 2 5 7 6. AND THE REASON FOR MY CALL IS TO VOICE MY CONCERN ON THE PROPERTY PLANS THAT WANT TO BE BUILT ON THAT PROPERTY. UH, LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION HERE, IT SEEMS THAT A TWO STORY HOME IS, UH, PLANNED TO BE BUILT AND I FEEL THAT IT'S A LITTLE TOO BIG FOR THAT PARCEL SALE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH WAS A, IT WAS A ONE STORY TWO BEDROOM HOME WAS GOING TO BE BUILT. BUT NOW THAT I'VE SEEN THE LATEST DOCUMENTS, IT SEEMS LIKE A TWO STORY HOME IS BEING BUILT, WHICH I FEEL THAT IT COULD BE OVERSIZED FOR THAT PARCEL. THANK YOU. OKAY. IN PERSON WE HAVE UH, BIANCA MALDONADO. MS. MALDONADO RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. I HAVE TOM SIMMONS AND JASON VASQUEZ WHO HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1 2 2 1 9 WEST GRAMMAR CITY. WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT WE'D COME TWICE TO YOU IN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS ON A NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS LOCATION? UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR A SINGLE STORY HOME. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT PLAN IS NO LONGER, UM, IN FRUITION AND THERE'S A NEW DESIGN BEFORE YOU TODAY. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING FINAL APPROVAL. THERE WAS NO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THIS CHANGE IN COMPLETE CHANGE IN DESIGN. UH, WE SHARE CONCERNS, UM, REGARDING THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU. NUMBER ONE WITH RESPECT TO THE ROOF, I GUESS LET'S GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT, I TOOK SOME PICTURES IN HERE. THIS IS A HOUSE ON THE CORNER ADJACENT TO THE VACANT LOT. THIS IS THE VACANT LOT GOING EAST. OOPS, IT STOPPED WORKING. THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE VACANT LOT. THIS IS THE HOUSE AT THE CORON. OOPS. THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE VACANT LOT HOUSE AT THE CORNER HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET ON SHEAR, WHICH IS A PHENOMENAL HOME, WHICH WHEN YOU THINK OF A STUCCO IN INFILL CONSTRUCTION, THIS IS A HOME THAT'S JUST RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THIS NEW BUILD ACROSS. HERE'S THE CORNER VIEW OF THE HOME THAT SHOWS THE ARTICULATION BETWEEN THE FIRST AND THE SECOND FLOOR. YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS, UM, THAT ARE ON THESE HOMES, THESE HISTORIC HOMES WITHIN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS STREET IS THAT WHEN THIS SECTION WAS ADDED TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT WAS DONE AT A PETITION FROM THE HOMEOWNERS AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY SAW THE FIRST AREA BEING DESIGNATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BEING CREATED, THESE FOLKS WENT BLOCK BY BLOCK THEMSELVES TO ENSURE THAT THEY WERE ADDED TO THIS AREA. THIS HAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INVESTED HOMEOWNERS IN THIS AREA FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS HOME IS A TWO STORY STONE HOME ACROSS SHEAR, GOING BACK TOWARDS THE VACANT LOT ON 2202 WEST GRAMERCY WITH STONE HOME WITH A METAL ROOF ACROSS FROM THERE. THERE'S AN UNSYMPATHETIC ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED IN THE FRONT BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS CREATED, BUT THIS IS A STONE HOME. NEXT WE HAVE A BRICK HOME THAT'S BEEN PAINTED THAT HAS AN ADDITION THAT WAS MADE OVER TIME. AND THEN THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER, UH, WHICH IS A STONE HOME WITH A SHINGLED ROOF. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE BLOCK. IT IS A VERY SHORT BLOCK AND IT TEES INTO CAMP. AND THERE'S ELEVATION ISSUES TOO WHEN YOU SIT STAND AT THE ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAY TO THE LOCATION OF THE HOME. SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A TWO STORY HOME WHERE WE HAVE REQUESTS REGARDING THE ROOF. WE KINDLY REQUEST A TILE ROOF FOR A NEW STUCCO HOME. THE HIP ROOF ON THE FRONT ELEVATION PORCH IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF ROOFS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF CONCERN IS HOW THE ROOF TOUCHES THE SECOND STORY DIRECTLY BELOW THE WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATIONS. WE PROPOSED A FLAT ROOF OVER THE FRONT PORCH WITH A PARAPET ON THE FIRST FLOOR TO [00:20:01] HOPEFULLY EXECUTE, EXECUTE A TILE ROOF. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AMENABLE TO THIS SUGGESTION. WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ENTIRE SECOND FLOOR ALSO HAVE TILE. WE GAVE HIM INSPIRATIONS TO LOOK AT THE HOUSE JUST DOWN THE WAY AT 2165 WEST GRAMERCY, WHICH IS THE HOUSE THAT I SHOWED YOU THAT WAS STUCCO TWO STORY WITH TILE ROOF. WE ALSO REQUESTED A SOLID WOOD FRONT DOOR. FRONT DOORS ARE PROMINENT FEATURES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. UM, WE GAVE THEM EXAMPLES OF OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALSO ASKED FOR THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT THEY BE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING ALUMINUM WINDOWS. WE FEEL ALUMINUM IS A MORE APPROPRIATE PRODUCT FOR A MID-CENTURY STYLE OF HOME AND NOT NECESSARILY A STUCCO HOME. UM, REGARDING THE, THE TILE ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, THERE'S SOME DECORATIVE TILE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. WE ASK THAT IT BE FOUR TO SIX INCH SIZE AND NOT 12 INCH, WHICH IS INDICATIVE OF FLOOR TILE. UM, ALSO WE ASK THAT, UM, REGARDING THE STUCCO FINISH, THERE IS A VERY GRANULAR STUCCO FINISH THAT'S BEING PROPOSED VERY SANDY TEXTURED. WE'RE ASKING FOR A SMOOTH STUCCO FINISH. WE ALSO REQUESTED STUCCO ON ALL FOUR OF THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HOME INSTEAD OF LAP SIDING WITH A FOUR INCH REVEAL. WE FEEL THAT THE, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEING MEETING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT CHARACTERISTICS. AND THEN NUMBER SEVEN, WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADD ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERN TO THE WESTERN ELEVATION. IF YOU SEE THAT, WHILE IT IS VERY, UM, UH, BLANK AND THERE ARE SEVERAL SECTIONS THAT ARE COMPLETELY SOLID AND WE FEEL THAT THAT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND ASK FOR CONSIDERATION OF THAT INCLUSION, WE'VE PROPOSED MANY OF THESE ITEMS. THE APPLICANT WAS AMENABLE TO THE SOLID WOOD DOOR, UM, THE SMOOTH STUCCO FINISH AND THE STUCCO ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS. BUT OUR PRIMARY CONCERN WAS THE ROOF. WE, UM, SAID THAT TO HIM AND COMMUNICATED TO THAT TO HIM. AND WE ALSO PUT WINDOWS AT NUMBER THREE AS OUR PRIORITY AFTER THE FRONT WOOD DOOR. UM, WE FEEL THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE INTEGRITY OF THE HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS THE EXAMPLE WE GAVE. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE WOOD DOOR VERY WELL. BUT TRYING TO EXECUTE A TILE ROOF WITHOUT HAVING TO TILE THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR TO INTRODUCE THE PARAPET INSTEAD, UH, AS AN OPTION FOR SOLUTIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THAT TILE CAN BE, UM, A VERY, UM, EXPENSIVE OPTION. BUT I ALSO REMIND YOU THAT WE JUST HAD A NEW BUILD THAT WAS APPROVED AT FIVE 15 CLUB AND THEIR STIPULATION WAS ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS WITH A TILE ROOF AND A SMOOTH STUCCO FINISH ON ALL FOUR SIDES. WE ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR FINAL, UM, WHICH WE ONLY GET A ONE SHOT AT THIS I GUESS UNLESS YOU DECIDE ONLY TO TAKE ACTION FOR CONCEPTUAL. UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS COMPLETELY 180 DEGREE CHANGE FROM THE INITIAL PROPOSAL. WE HOPE THAT YOU HELP DEFEND OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ENSURE THAT WE HAVE QUALITY AND FILL DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN AND MEETS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND DOESN'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO THEM. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND REALLY WISH Y'ALL A HAPPY HOLIDAYS TOO. PATRICK MAYO. OKAY, UH, MY NAME IS PATRICK MAYO. I LIVE AT 6 22 DONALDSON AVENUE. MY FAMILY HAS LIVED ON THE BLOCK FOR 57 YEARS AND UP UNTIL FIVE YEARS AGO THE LOT AT 2219 GRAMERCY WAS A PART OF THE CORNER HOUSE LOT. THE REPORT YOU HAVE ON THE PROPERTY INDICATES THAT THE LOT HAS ALWAYS BEEN VACANT. THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY CORRECT AS IT WAS FENCED, AS IT WAS FENCED IN. AND THERE WAS AN IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL THAT WAS ON THE LOT. IT'S VISIBLE IN THE OVERHEAD PICTURE IN YOUR PACKET. THIS IS MY FIRST CONCERN BECAUSE THE POOL WAS FILLED WITH ANY AND ALL DEBRIS THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY. THE OWNER WAS REFURBISHING THE, THE CORNER HOUSE AND CENTER BLOCKS WOOD AND ANYTHING ELSE WAS SIMPLY TOSSED INTO THE POOL TO HELP FILL IT UP. A SMALL BOBCAT LOADER PUT DIRT OVER THE TOP, BUT IT WAS NEVER COMPACTED. IN MY OPINION, ANY STRUCTURE PLACED ON OR NEAR THE COVERED POOL WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE GROUND SINKING. MOST EVERY HOUSE ON THE BLOCK HAS HAD FOUNDATION ISSUES AND NONE OF THOSE WERE BUILT ON OR NEXT TO BURIED SWIMMING POOLS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT FOR THIS HOUSE IS PLANNING ON NOT ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE HOUSE BUT WILL BE SELLING IT, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE THE NEXT HOMEOWNER'S PROBLEM. MY NEXT CONCERN IS HAVING THE GARAGE IN THE ALLEY. THE ALLEY HAS TRASH RECYCLING ORGANIC PICKUPS EACH WEEK. WORK CREWS ARE OFTEN IN THE ALLEY AS ALL UTILITIES ARE THERE AND SAWS HAS BEEN THERE ALL WEEK DOING SOME WORK IN THE ALLEY. UH, HAVING CARS MAKE THE NARROW TURN INTO AND OUT OF THE GARAGE PUTS ADDED UH, RUTS AND DAMAGE OVER TIME IN THE ALLEY, WHICH THE CITY WILL THEN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PATCHING. THE ALLEY SURFACE IS ALWAYS GETTING ERODED BY TRUCKS AND ABOUT ONCE A YEAR A CITY HAS TO MAKE REPAIRS. THERE'S ALSO NOT MUCH GRASS OR DIRT ON THE SIDE OF THE ALLEY WHERE YOU PLACE TRASH CANS. IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, YOU'LL END UP GOING IN AND OUTTA THE, THE [00:25:01] GARAGE. UH, YOU'LL BE HITTING THAT AREA. IN FACT, IT'S SO NARROW THAT AT OUR PROPERTY, UM, YOU CAN ONLY PLACE ONE TRASH CAN AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE TRASH TRUCK COMES THROUGH, UM, RATHER THAN TRY TO BALANCE IT BACK THERE, THEY JUST LEAVE IT IN THE ALLEY FOR US TO TO RETRIEVE. UM, THERE ARE NO OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK THAT USE AN ALLEY GARAGE. THE CORON HOUSE DOES HAVE AN ALLEY CARPORT, BUT IT'S NOT USED ANYMORE. AS THE OWNER SAID, IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO MAKE THE TURN INTO THE CARPORT. PLUS THEY'VE BEEN BLOCKED IN BEFORE BY SERVICE TRUCKS. SO I BELIEVE THAT 2219 SHOULD HAVE A DRIVEWAY ACCESS FROM GRAMERCY AND KEEPING WITH OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK. FINALLY, THE LOT, IT'S A LONG THIN LOT. THE PROPOSED TWO STORY HOUSE WILL SIMPLY OVERWHELM IT. THE TWO STORY PORTION OF THE HOUSE IS ON THE WEST SIDE AND WILL LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE, THE HOUSE AT THE CORNER. I THINK IT SHOULD BE REVERSED SO THAT THE TWO STORY PART IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BLOCK. 'CAUSE THERE'S JUST AN OPEN LOT THERE AND THEY WOULD HAVE MORE PRIVACY. THANK YOU. UM, THOSE ARE ALL THE COMMENTS WE HAVE ON THE CONSENT ITEMS. DR. GOULD IS GRACIOUSLY CUTTING US ALL A PIECE OF CAKE, UM, WHILE YOU DISCUSS THESE ITEMS. UM, BUT THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. MR. CHAIR? YES MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM THREE AND NINE. THREE AND NINE. ANY OTHER CASES TO BE PULLED AND DISCUSSED? MR. CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL NUMBER TWO. NUMBER TWO. OKAY. ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION. MR. CHAIR TO UM, ACCEPT NUMBER ONE, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER 5 6, 7, 8 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYBODY HAVE DISCUSSION QUESTION? WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINO. AYE. MASUKA AYE. GRUB? AYE. MS. ANTE? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOUR ADDRESS IS 43 0 1 BROADWAY, 1 45 NAVARRO, UH, VAL STREET. UH, NAME CHANGE 8 28 NEVADA 1135 SOUTH ST. MARY'S IN 7 22 SOUTH ST. MARY'S. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO? YEAH. IS IT ON? YEP. HI, I'M SCOTT RAPIER IN REGARDS TO FOUR 13 WICK STREET. GOOD TO SEE Y'ALL AGAIN. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, YEAH, I WANTED TO PULL THIS, UM, IN, IN PART, UM, 'CAUSE OF MY CONCERNS ON THE PROJECT. UM, WE TOOK A D R C SITE VISIT OVER THERE TO REVIEW A, A REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE CONDITION OF THAT. AND I WISHED I HAD KNOWN THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE THIS COMING UP, THE ADDITION, UM, BECAUSE I WOULD'VE LOOKED AT THE SITE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. BUT, UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SECOND STORY AS IT IS, AS IT APPEARS NOW. AND I DO, UM, UH, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE, THE COMMENTS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ABOUT THAT SECOND STORY ALSO. UM, BUT BEFORE I ASK YOU ABOUT THOSE, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, YEAH AND I MADE SOME OF THE CHANGES AND RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN WE MET THAT DAY THAT Y'ALL HAD BROUGHT UP WITH THE, THE ROCK IN THE FRONT. I CHANGED IT BACK TO CEDAR BEAMS AS IF YOU WANTED AND I'M LEAVING THE CHIMNEY. UM, I ADJUSTED THE ROOF GABLES IN THE FRONT TO GO AT AN ANGLE, NOT I SUBMITTED IT ON FRIDAY, BUT I DON'T THINK IT GOT TO YOU IN TIME. WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. AND THE OTHER THING IS NOT HAVING A, HAVING A ROOF PLAN IN THE SET MADE IT DIFFICULT REALLY TO, YEAH, I HAD SUBMITTED AN ORIGINAL ROOF PLAN. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DIDN'T HAVE THAT THAT DAY. UM, BUT IT HAD THE BRICK AND ALL THE, AND THE CHIMNEY ELIMINATED AND SOME OTHER STUFF THAT I WENT BACK AND HAD 'EM FIX. SO, UH, DOES STAFF HAVE THAT UPDATED PLAN OR WHAT IS THE YEAH, IT WAS SUBMITTED LATE SO IT DIDN'T MAKE THE CASE FILE WHEN WE DO THE PUBLIC, UM, POSTING. BUT YEAH, I DO HAVE IT. YEAH, I MODELED IT AFTER FIVE 17 WICK STREET. I USED THE SAME ARCHITECT AND IT'S ALMOST AN IDENTICAL FLOOR PLAN. MM-HMM. , UM, AND ROOF LINE TO THAT. UM, THAT'S WHY I HIRED THE SAME ARCHITECT 'CAUSE I FIGURED WELL IT'S BEEN APPROVED [00:30:01] ONCE, SO. OKAY. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AND I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. SO, UM, I BROUGHT YOU A COPY IF YOU WANTED IT . I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT. YEAH. YEAH. UM, MR. CHAIR, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT, HOW WOULD YOU, UH, SUGGEST WE HANDLE LIGHT MATERIALS THAT AREN'T VISIBLE OR VIEWABLE BY THE PUBLIC OR BY THE COMMISSION? YEAH, I WASN'T AWARE. YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT? I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT THAT DAY. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE PORCH COLUMNS HAVE, UH, BEEN TURNED TO ALLWOOD AND, UH, SONO STONE. UH, YOU'VE KEPT THE CHIMNEY THAT WAS DISCUSSED. YES, SIR. UM, I THINK A RIBBON DRIVEWAY WAS DISCUSSED ALSO AND I WENT BACK TO THAT ALSO. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, NOTION ABOUT THE PITCH ON THE ROOF, IF IT, UM, RUNNING THE RIDGE PARALLEL TO THE STREET, SIMILAR TO THE MAIN HOUSE, RATHER THAN I CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH THE ARCHITECT. UM, HE CUT THE GABLES ON THE FRONT TO KIND OF MATCH THE, GIVE IT SOME CONTRAST THERE A LITTLE BIT. I'M USING THE SAME SIDING AND MATERIAL AND ALL THAT. UM, BASICALLY ALL THAT WOULD DO WOULD JUST MAKE IT A BIG PIECE OF ROOF LINE IS ALL YOU'D SEE. JUST BE ALL ROOF. YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YEAH. UM, CLEARLY I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE. ARE THERE DOCUMENTS THAT DEPICT THIS? NO, THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THE DESIGN. IT, IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE FIRST DESIGN WE SUBMITTED. THERE'S THE ONE THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT YET OR IF YOU CAN GET IT TO 'EM YET. OH, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. SO YOUR PROPOSAL STILL HAS THE, UH, GABLE IN WITH THE CLIPPED, UH, FRONT. YEAH, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF ANY OTHER ROOF CHANGES AS I COMMENT TODAY, SO. OKAY. UM, BASED ON YOUR PLAN, UM, THAT YOU, THAT WE SEE HERE, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST? I WOULD'VE. AND GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IN PART BECAUSE OF THE, IT'S THE VISUAL OF IT FROM THE STREET. THE UM, SECTION OR THE ELEVATION YOU SHOW SHOWS BEING THE ADDITION BEING VIEWED FROM THE CENTER IN THE FRONT OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, WHEREAS WE KNOW FROM THE DRIVEWAY SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE IS VERY, VERY VISIBLE. SO, UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, ROTATING THE ROOF RIDGE BY 90 DEGREES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAY WORK WITH YOUR PLAN? I CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A DOUBLE GABLE THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, SO YOU'D HAVE TWO KIND OF OFFSET? I I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECT. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. OKAY. BUT I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO IT. I MEAN IF THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT THAT'S THE DESIGN HE CAME UP WITH THAT HE THOUGHT THAT MATCHED THE ONE DOWN THE STREET. IT'S THE SAME BASIC ELEVATION AS FIVE 17 WICK STREET. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE ONE TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER. AGREE. I THINK WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS THAT IF HE LOWERED IT TO A ONE STORY THEN TO CHANGE THE ROOF TO BE THE SAME AS THE FRONT OF THE HOME, UM, THE LETTERS IN OUR PACKAGE. SO I JUST REREAD IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, WELL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE OUTBUILDING, YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DO THAT. NO. UM, AND I THINK THAT, I MEAN AT, I WOULD SAY I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, THE STIPULATIONS AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS 'CAUSE I DO REMEMBER, UM, ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WE SAW ON WIX AND THE LOTS ARE PRETTY DEEP AND THERE ARE SOME, UH, HOMES ON WIX THAT HAVE A TWO STORY IN THE BACK. BUT I'LL BE OPEN TO HEAR ALL THE COMMENTS. OKAY. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED SHOWED THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING VINYL WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION. IS THAT STILL THE CASE OR WERE YOU I'M NOT SURE WHAT WINDOWS HE PUT ON THERE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M, I'M DOING ALL THE FACTOR OR THE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN THE MAIN STRUCTURE. STRUCTURE AND THEN SOMETHING APPROPRIATE FOR THE ADDITION ON THE BACK. SO IT, IT WOULD FOLLOW STAFF'S STANDARD STIPULATIONS, WHICH IS EITHER ALL WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD. UM, POSSIBLY, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE PRICING ON THAT ONE. I KNOW THE ONE DOWN THE STREET, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT. THEY USED ALUMINUM. OKAY. 'CAUSE IT WAS AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND IT WASN'T REALLY VISIBLE. I ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR, UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? [00:35:01] I MEAN, JUST MAYBE AS A COMMENT TO THAT, IS THAT IN THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? IT DOES SAY THAT YOU MEET STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOWS, IT'S JUST NOTDETAILED. SO MAYBE JUST TO STAFF, IF THEY COULD DETAIL TO THE APPLICANT WHAT THE STAFF STIPULATIONS WOULD BE. UH, WINDOWS STIPULATIONS WOULD BE. YOU CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. IS THE MIC NOT ON? NO, IT'S FINE. JUST BE CLOSE. I THINK IT'S ON. SORRY, JUST THAT WAS BETTER. YEAH. UM, IN THE STIPULATIONS IT DOES SAY THAT YOU MEET THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT DETAILED. SO MAYBE JUST STAFF MAKE SURE YOU DETAIL WHAT THE WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS ARE TO THE APPLICANT SO HE'S AWARE, AWARE OF WHAT OUR WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS ARE. MR. CHAIR, I, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS AMENDED PER OUR DISCUSSIONS. WE'VE GOT 10 RECOMMENDATIONS HERE AND I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW WHICH ONES HAVE BEEN MET AND, AND WHICH ONES, UH, WE, WE ARE GOING TO NOW CHANGE. IF WE COULD DO THAT, PLEASE. SO CLAUDIA, IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE INPUT TO WHERE WE HAVE THE STIPULATIONS ON THE SCREEN. AND I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER MONICA, THE ADDITION THAT'S ON THE HOUSE NOW IS NOT PERMITTED. I HAVE TO REMOVE THAT ANYWAYS. THAT HAS TO COME OFF. YEAH. WELL, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON ZOOMING, UM, I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE. I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. THE UPDATED, UM, ELEVATIONS REFLECT THE STIPULATIONS RECOMMENDED FOR THE PORCH COLUMNS. AND THEN FOR ITEM 10, WHICH IS THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THAT ONE SIDE FACADE, UM, WE WOULD REQUIRE, UM, DOCUMENTATION OF THE SPECIFIED WINDOW PRIOR TO PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION. UM, AND SO WE HAVE NOT RECOMMENDED A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT, UH, BASED ON THE GUIDELINES, BUT THAT COMMENT HAS COME FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND SO THAT'S WHY, WHY IT'S BEING DISCUSSED NOW, I BELIEVE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. YEAH, I, I THINK I'M READY TO ATTEMPT A MOTION, UM, TO ACCEPT, UM, PROVE THE CASE WITH, UH, STAFF STIPULA, ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE CHANGES IN THE RESPONSES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TO THOSE STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, AND ADDING THAT ALL NEW WINDOWS TO MEET O H P STANDARDS. I SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINO? AYE. MASUKA. AYE. GRO. AYE. ANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. A BET. AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO ERIC GRAF, I'VE MADE YOU PANELISTS, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE STILL. THERE WE GO. ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. PERFECT. MR. CHAIR, I PULL THIS JUST, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT IF YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNING THE FOUNDATION MATERIAL OF THE GARAGE? YEAH, THE, THE FOUNDATION RIGHT NOW, IT'S CURRENTLY, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY A WOOD FOUNDATION AND I I, I'M FINE WITH, UH, POURING. I THINK THEY WA WANTED A SIX INCH LAB, UM, TO, AND I, I CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. WELL, AND I'LL, I'LL FURTHER JUST NOTE THAT, UM, MEETING THE STANDARDS OF THE, THE RESIDENTIAL CODE IS GONNA BE A GIVEN, UM, THROUGH THE DEPARTING PROCESS. [00:40:01] AND SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL HAPPEN WHEN D S D REVIEWS THE PERMIT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE CODE. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. OH. UM, IS D ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALSO IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS SPECIFICALLY TO THE GARAGE DOORS? YES. YEAH, I, UM, I JUST NEEDED, UM, SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT KIND OF DETAIL THEY, THAT THEY WANTED. UM, AS FAR AS THE EXISTING DOORS WERE, WERE THERE, BUT YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM COMPLYING WITH THAT. UM, I'M JUST GONNA GET A, A SAMPLE, UM, FROM MY CASE MANAGER AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH, WITH WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION BEFORE BUYING ANYTHING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WORK IT THROUGH WITH O H P N, MAYBE ALSO JUST A UPDATED SITE PLAN OF WHAT IT WILL UPDATED, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE BEFORE BUYING ANY MATERIALS OR DOING ANY CONSTRUCTION. YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT. THANK YOU. I I'LL DO A MOTION. YES MA'AM. A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINA AYE. MASUKA. AYE. GRO AYE. ANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 22 19 WEST GRAMERCY AND THE APPLICANT, JIM BAILEY IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. UM, THANKS SO MUCH. SO I STAND READY TO, UM, MAKE THE CHANGES AS NECESSARY IN, UH, THE STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, FURTHERMORE, AFTER SOME, UH, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I AGREE, UH, WITH THEIR COMMENTS ABOUT THE SOLID WOOD DOOR, THE TILE, UH, THE SMOOTH STUCCO FINISH AND STUCCO IN ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS. AND, UM, WE'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES. THIS IS COMMISSIONER GROUP. MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I? YES, MA'AM. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ON THE TILE ROOF AND, UM, BUT ACTUALLY ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS, UH, NOT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD STATION, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WAS ALSO, MY WORRY IS THE GARAGE ENTRY FROM THE ALLEY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER HOMES ON THAT BLOCK THAT HAVE GARAGE ENTRY ALLEY, LIKE, I MEAN, ENTRY TO GARAGE FROM THE ALLEY? IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COMMONLY SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I, THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY CONCERNS INITIALLY. UH, WELL, THE LAST PLAN THAT WE HAD APPROVED HAD A GARAGE ENTRY OFF THE ALLEY. WE'VE SET IT FIVE FEET OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH MEANS WE'VE GOT SOMETHING LIKE 18 FEET. UM, AND IF, AND IF THAT'S REALLY A CONCERN, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ROOM IN THE BACKYARD, WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH, UM, BACKYARD AREA THAT WE COULD PUSH THE GARAGE A COUPLE OF FEET CLOSER TO THE HOUSE. DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE A GARAGE FROM THE ALLEY? UH, ISN'T THAT WHAT THE ALLEYS ARE FOR? WELL, NOT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. . I DON'T EVEN THINK YOUR PA YOUR ALLEY WAS PAVED UNTIL THEN. I MEAN, UM, I I ACTUALLY, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTITUTION HAS A GOOD POINT. YOU ARE THE SECOND NEW BUILD IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND YOU'RE GONNA BE THE SECOND NEW BUILD IN THE LAST MANY, MANY YEARS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I'M GONNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE THIS ONE RIGHT. INTRODUCING, UH, A GARAGE, AND THIS IS FROM MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. INTRODUCING A GARAGE ENTRY FROM THE ALLEY DOES MAKE ME WORRY. I KNOW IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT THE, THE THING IS, THIS IS NOT A COMMON THING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE BEING INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY BECOME A TREND LATER ON. I DON'T KNOW. UM, IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO DO IT FROM THE STREET, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT MR. BAILEY? YOU KNOW, I SURE WOULD. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LED ME IN THAT DIRECTION IN THE FIRST PLACE IS SOMETHING THAT BIANCA MALDONADO MENTIONED IS THAT WE'VE GOT A, A REAL SERIOUS GRADE TRANSITION, UM, FROM THE STREET LEVEL UP TO THE SIDEWALK AND THEN UP TO, UM, THE SITE. AND YOU CAN PROBABLY KIND OF SEE IT IN THE RENDERINGS AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE FIVE AND A HALF, SIX FEET. UH, FURTHERMORE WE HAVE [00:45:01] A, UH, HERITAGE PECAN TREE AND A, AND A MASSIVE HERITAGE OAK TREE. UH, WE'D BE, WE'D BE SEVERING ABOUT HALF OF THE ROOTS OF THE, OF THE HERITAGE PECAN THAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD. UM, AND I WORRY ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE, THE TREE AND THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S YARD. OUR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO, I'M FULLY AWARE OF THE FILL CONDITION ON THE SITE AND I'M ALSO EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO THE ROOT STRUCTURE OF THESE TREES. THEY'RE AMAZING TREES. AND SO WE'RE GOING IN, UM, WITH, UH, WITH GRADE SUPPORTED, UH, HELICAL PIERS OR GROUND SCREWS. SO WE'RE NOT, OUR PLAN IS TO ACTUALLY NOT COME IN AND EXCAVATE WALLS FOR THE FOUNDATION AND LEAVE ALL THAT ROOT STRUCTURE IN PLACE. UM, SO IF WE PULL A DRIVEWAY IN OFF OF THE, THE FRONT, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST GONNA WREAK HAVOC ON THAT TREE. I, WE'RE GONNA KILL IT. AND, AND I AGREE. UM, AND I'M SORRY IF I'M TAKING MORE TIME. UH, IT IS A HIGH GRADE LOT IS REALLY SITTING HIGH. UM, THE HOUSE RIGHT TO THE LEFT HAS AN ENTRY FROM CANMAN OR I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT STREET IT IS. UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU, DID YOU HAVE, UH, TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT PRESENTED TO STAFF? DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS? UH, NO. IT'S A STANDARD, LIKE IT'S, IT'S LIKE 48 BY 1 49 OR SOMETHING. LET'S SEE, IS IT ON MY SITE PLAN? LET ME PULL UP MY PLAN. YOU MEAN ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS WAS JUST TO SUBMIT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT COVERAGE, WHICH IS KIND OF, YEAH, I'LL DO THAT WITH MY CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET FOR SURE. DO YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER KIND OF AT LEAST AN ESTIMATE? IT'S, IT'S ABOUT 50 BY ONE 50. LOOK, OH, THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE. UH, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. JUST GLANCING AT IT LOOKS LIKE LESS THAN 40%. LET'S SEE. IS THERE A NUMBER YOU HAVE IN MIND, COMMISSIONER A HIGH NORMALLY LOOK AT NO MORE THAN 50% OF LOT COVERAGE? OH, WE'RE DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY UNDER 50. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40 IS MY GUESS. BUT I'LL NAIL THAT DOWN IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, WHICH STAFF WILL NEED TO APPROVE BEFORE I GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, I ASSUME, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, WHEN YOU MENTIONED MOVING THE GR BEING ABLE TO MOVE THE GARAGE OR SHIFT IT IN SLIGHTLY, UH, HOW MUCH ARE YOU LOOKING AT, HOW MANY FEET ARE YOU LOOKING AT WITH, WITH LEEWAY IN THE GARAGE? AND, AND I'M GONNA CAVEAT THIS WITH THE SITUATION DICTATES A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU'RE LEFT TO WORK WITH HERE, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE THAT SLOPE ON THE FRONT, YOU'VE GOT THAT SPACE IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE THE ALLEY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S USED OR NOT, BUT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO SQUEEZE IT IN, IN, IN A WAY THAT KIND OF, UH, SUPPORTS NOT DESTROYING THE ROOTS. THOSE, THOSE TREES AND WHATNOT IS THERE. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MUCH SPACE YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH, MAYBE MOVING IT IN A LITTLE OR, OR ANY TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT THERE. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THE ZONING. I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE, UH, THE, THE MINIMUM DISTANCE IS BETWEEN THE, UM, BACK OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE IN THE ALLEY. BUT I THINK I'VE, YOU KNOW, IT'S 10 FEET OR 12 FEET. I MEAN, SO I, I'VE PROBABLY GOT FIVE OR SIX FEET TO WORK WITH. UH, AND THAT, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. I MEAN, WE HAVE GARAGE CONDITIONS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO, UM, THAT ARE, AND OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT AREN'T HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT ARE ALLEYS ABOUT THIS WIDE, THAT, THAT SERVE GARAGES. UM, I THINK SETTING IT BACK FIVE FEET IS SIGNIFICANT. IF WE PUSH IT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE FEET, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT A TOTAL OF, YOU KNOW, TO THE NEIGHBOR FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE LINE TO THE FACE OF MY, UH, OF MY GARAGE WOULD BE LIKE 25 FEET. YOU'VE, THAT'S FIVE. YOU'VE GOT ROOM TO KIND OF PLAY WITH IT THERE. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN YES. ABOUT IT NOT BEING USED OR IF ANY OTHER, UH, LOTS USE THE ALLEY AS A, AS A ENTRYWAY TO THE GARAGE. BUT I THINK YOU'RE HAVING TO WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT AND I THINK YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD PLAN THERE. WITH THAT MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO SPEAK. THIS IS, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT. THIS IS JOHN BAKER. UM, AND, UH, AND I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER AND I'M LOOKING AT A, UH, A GOOGLE EARTH VERSION RIGHT NOW. AND THE, UH, AND I CAN TELL THE SLOPE, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE LOT. AND I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THE ALLEYWAY, WHICH APPEARS TO BE A, A VERY RUDIMENTARY ASPHALT SURFACE. NOT AN IN, NOT AN ENGINEERED, YOU, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE ONE OR EVEN AN ENGINEERED, UM, REALLY ASPHALT SURFACE. IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOR THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE, UH, UH, OF THE TRASH [00:50:01] AND, AND THE RECYCLING COLLECTION. UM, I, I DID NOTE THAT, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS THE SECOND HOUSE IN, SO THERE'S NOT A LONG DISTANCE, UH, TO TRAVEL FOR THE, UH, TO REACH A GARAGE. I, I DO THINK A GARAGE, IT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED PARKING STRUCTURE OR A A REAR ACCESS WOULD BE PREFERRED FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU'VE SIDED WITH THE GRADE. UM, I'M, I GUESS I'M JUST CONCERNED NOT, NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, BUT JUST ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF HOW DO YOU, HOW IF THE, UH, IF A HOMEOWNER DRIVES A PICKUP TRUCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WOULD THEY EVEN BE ABLE TO USE IT? AND THEN WHEN YOU JUST HAVE THIS LARGE STRUCTURE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, AND IT JUST WOULDN'T BE USEFUL, I GUESS THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF MY CONCERNS. AND, AND WOULD IT SET A PRECEDENT, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE AS WELL? UM, AND, AND DOES IT THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS ON THE CITY AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. AND, AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE IN TERMS OF THE TURN RADIUS IN THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE? YES, SIR. UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, WITH PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, IF WE PULL THAT GARAGE ANOTHER FIVE FEET INTO THE REAR YARD, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE 25 FEET FROM THE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FACE OF THE GARAGE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, FENCE LINE. 'CAUSE THE ALLEY IS WIDER, UM, ON, IN, UM, IN DIMENSION THAN IT IS PAVED. AND AS, AS YOU KNOW, UH, BEING A CIVIL ENGINEER, 25 FEET IS, UH, STANDARD AISLE WIDTH FOR DOUBLE LOADED HEAD IN, UH, PARKING LOTS. RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE REPLICATING THE CONDITION THAT YOU FIND ESSENTIALLY AT THE GROCERY STORE, UM, REGARDING THE, THE CONDITION OF THE PAVING. UM, YOU KNOW, I, OUR SENSE IS OUR LITTLE HONDA AND OUR LITTLE SUBARU ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA TEAR UP THAT ALLEY IF THE CITY TRASH TRUCK'S NOT TEARING IT UP. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, DEAL TWICE A WEEK ONCE WHEN THE TRASH COMES, COMES THROUGH, AND ONCE WHEN THE RECYCLING GUY COMES THROUGH WITH HAVING TO, TO DODGE AROUND THAT TRUCK, YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE IS, IS BUILT FOR A FULL DEPTH VEHICLE. AND, AND I BELIEVE BY MOVING THAT GARAGE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, UM, WE CAN EVEN HANDLE, HANDLE THE MONSTER PICKUP TRUCKS THAT FOLKS ARE DRIVING THESE DAYS. DID THAT, DID THAT ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER? Y Y YES SIR. IT SURE DID. UH, NOW I JUST THOUGHT OF A SECOND QUESTION. I WANNA MAKE SURE ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, WAS REGARDS TO THE FACT THAT THE LOT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED FOR AN IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, SOIL SEDIMENT, UM, AND, AND CRACKS TO THE FOUNDATION. I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, UH, YOU WERE PLANNING ON, UH, USING, UM, TO SUPPORT THE FOUNDATION, UH, HELICAL SCREWS AND THEN THOSE WOULD HAVE PIERS ON, ON TOP OF THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DRILL IT. SO I, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT ON THE SITE YET. UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A, A CONCEPT THAT'S APPROVED BY, BY YOU ALL, UM, BEFORE I SPEND THE MONEY ON THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND THE FINAL, UH, STRUCTURAL AND GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING. WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT POOL AND, UM, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE ROOT STRUCTURE OF THE, OF THE BIG TREE THAT'S NEXT DOOR. THE FULL EXTENT OF THE CANOPY, UM, ISN'T REALLY SHOWN ON MY PLAN, BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THE AERIAL VIEW, IT EXTENDS PROBABLY HALFWAY ACROSS THE LOT, WHICH MEANS, AND IT'S A LIVE OAK, AND THOSE ROOTS ARE NEAR THE SURFACE, AND IT MEANS THOSE ROOTS ARE EXTENDING OUT INTO MY LOT. SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE REASONS, UM, WE'RE GONNA USE EITHER EITHER A HELICAL PIER OR A, UH, GROUND SCREW SOLUTION, AND WE'RE GONNA SIMPLY DRILL DOWN UNTIL WE HIT THE, UH, THE PROPER BEARING CAPACITY, PUT A TORQUE METER ON IT, AND WHEN WE GET THERE, WE STOP DRILLING. SURE. I GUESS MY, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T, IF, IF THERE IS EXISTING, UH, CONCRETE UNDERGROUND FROM THE, FROM THE PREVIOUS POOL, THAT THE GROUNDS THAT THE SCREWS DON'T FOUL THE, THE POOL THAT YOU ACTUALLY, UH, ADJUST THEM. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS BOARD. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAILEY, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS TO ADDRESS THE FENESTRATION ON THE WEST ELEVATION. UM, HAVE YOU GIVEN THAT SOME THOUGHT AND WHAT MIGHT YOU DO DIFFERENTLY ON THIS? NOT YET COMMISSIONER, BUT WHAT I GUARANTEE I WILL DO IS WORK WITH STAFF UNTIL STAFF'S HAPPY, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS, UH, FROM THE PODIUM. OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS RIGHT NOW, BUT WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE SHED ROOF VOLUME? [00:55:03] I'M SORRY? WOULD THE ADDITIONAL FENESTRATION ALSO INCLUDE THE SHED VOLUME ON THE GROUND FLOOR, FIRST FLOOR WITH THE SHED ROOF? UM, LET'S SEE. IT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE NO WINDOWS ON THAT. WOULD YOU, I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD INCLUDE WINDOWS ON THAT VOLUME AS WELL? UH, WELL, WE CERTAINLY COULD IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. I THINK THAT WOULD, UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BED WALL IN A, IN A BEDROOM UHHUH. AND SO MAYBE SOME SMALLER WINDOWS KIND OF TO EITHER EDGE OF IT. MM-HMM. , UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE SPACE, BUT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PUT A WINDOW OR TWO IN. YEAH, IT'S LARGE ENOUGH THAT IT INDICATES THAT IT'S ROOM, SO ONE WOULD EXPECT A WINDOW. UH, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS THE ROOF MATERIAL, AND I THINK THEY WERE SUGGESTING A TILE BARREL TILE ROOF, UM, AND USING PRECEDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT TYPICALLY THE STUCCO EXTERIOR GOES WITH A TILE ROOF. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, WELL FOR ONE IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE. UM, SURE TILE ROOF IS NICE, BUT I'D HAVE TO BEEF UP THE STRUCTURE AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FIVE TIMES THE COST OF THE ROOFING THAT, THAT I'M PROPOSING. AND YOU, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, I THINK THIS LOOKS GREAT. THERE ARE, UM, NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOFS WITH, UH, A WHOLE HOST OF DIFFERENT, UM, FACADE BUILDING MATERIALS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE ALSO EXAMPLES OF HOUSES WITH STUCCO, WITH TILE ROOFS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THIS IS, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST ELEVATION. UM, YOU ARE SHOWING A 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, AND THIS FACADE IS PRETTY IMPOSING, UH, FACING ONTO THE, UH, NEIGHBOR. UM, OUR 10 FOOT CEILING HEIGHT'S REALLY NECESSARY FOR BEDROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR. NO, SIR. UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DROP THAT DOWN TO NINE, UH, AT LEAST NINE, IF NOT EIGHT. AND THEN YOU COULD POP THE CEILING UP INSIDE THE, INSIDE THE STRUCTURE IF YOU WANTED A 10 FOOT CEILING INTERIOR. OKAY, I CAN DO THAT. WE CAN DO AN EIGHT FOOT PLATE AND THEN VAULT. OKAY. AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, UH, THE REAR ROOM, WHICH IS A BEDROOM, UH, HAS A SHED ROOF ON IT. AND, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THIS ELEVATION, THERE'S A HIP ROOF ON THE GARAGE. THERE'S A HIP ROOF ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, AGAIN, SO IT'S NOT SO IMPOSING ON THE NEIGHBOR WOULD, UH, POSSIBLY A SHED ROOF, I MEAN A HIP ROOF ON THAT VOLUME AS WELL. WOULD THAT, UH, BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER? I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD LOOK BETTER. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF, ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE HAVE A VAULTED CEILING IN THE BEDROOM RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T DO A KIND OF A HIP VAULT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UM, MORE IN KEEPING WITH YOUR DESIGN AND, UH, LESS OBTRUSIVE TO THE, UH, ADJOINING NEIGHBORS. OKAY. GREAT. OTHER QUESTIONS OR CAN WE GET A MOTION? MR. CHAIR, I, THIS IS JOHN BAKER AGAIN. ONE, ONE QUESTION I'VE GOT, AND I GUESS THIS IS FOR THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO, UM, CHOOSE A COLOR FOR COMPOSITION ROOF THAT LOOKS LIKE A TILE ROOF, IF IT WAS A REDDISH COLOR, WOULD THAT BE AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS IT THE APPEARANCE WOULD LOOK CLOSER TO THE BARREL ROOF OR, UM, OR IS IT MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER, MAY I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? YES, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, WE DON'T FIND THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I WOULD, I THINK I AGREE WITH THAT ONE. I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR THAT I'M GONNA TRY. YES, MA'AM. AND, AND, AND MR. BAILEY, AND I THINK IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE ALSO DID WITH OUR PRIOR, UM, CASE OF A NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF A STICKLER HERE, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS AS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK WITH ALL THE SUGGESTED CHANGES BOTH FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MR. BAILEY, YOU STARTED SAYING THAT YOU WERE GONNA ACCEPT AND DO ALL THE CHANGES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOW THAT THE ROOF WAS BROUGHT UP, YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO MAYBE LOOK INTO A TILE ROOF. SO NOW I GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA TAKE IN ONTO ALL, ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR SUGGESTIONS. I, I WOULD [01:00:01] LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT TILE ROOF. IT MIGHT NOT BE, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A CONCRETE TILE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SPANISH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE MOST EXPENSIVE ONE. BUT IT DOES HAVE TO HAVE, I MEAN, I DO AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT IS WHAT WE FIND MOSTLY WITH THAT STUCCO DESIGN. UM, THE OTHER CASE THAT WE ACCEPTED ABOUT SIX, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE'RE ABLE TO ALSO ACCEPT THAT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL HOME. YOU'RE INTRODUCING A NEW BUILD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO ON THE WINDOWS. UM, SO THE STAFF COMMENTS, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WROTE DOWN ALL THE SUGGESTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, MR. CHAIR'S THE COMMENT FROM THE HIP ROOF, UH, DROP THE CEILING HEIGHT, INTRODUCE THE OPTION OF A TAR ROOF, UM, UH, MOVING THE GARAGE ANOTHER FIVE FEET TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, THE 25 FEET THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING WITH COMMISSIONER BAKER. UM, AND THEN ALSO ADDING WINDOWS ON THAT EAST SIDE OF THAT, UM, WEST SIDE FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN JUST, UH, FOLLOWING THAT WAS I THINK IS LIKE, UM, STIPULATION, STIPULATION FIVE, UM, MORE THAN JUST, UH, TRADITIONAL OPENINGS AND, AND SAME SIZE ALSO ADDING SOME MORE FENESTRATION ON THAT BEDROOM WALL. COMMISSIONER, UM, A TILE ROOF. I MEAN, I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT ALL OF THAT EXCEPT THE TILE ROOF. UM, AND SO SIMPLY POSTPONING IT TO ANOTHER MEETING, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE ALL THOSE CHANGES AND COME BACK, BUT A TILE ROOF IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN AGREE TO. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. SO WE HAVE, AND THE MOTION IS TO CONSIDER A, WELL, I WANNA MAKE SURE STAFF, THE STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE MOTION BEING, YOU KNOW, ALL STIPULATIONS PLOT THE ADDED COMMENTS FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS DURING DISCUSSION ADDED, YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADDED SUGGESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK WE NEED TO EXPLICITLY SAY WHETHER OR NOT A TILE ROOF IS REQUIRED AS A STIPULATION. I STILL WANNA KEEP THAT IN THE MOTION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I WAS THE HIP ROOF ABOVE THE BEDROOM, UH, DROP CEILING HEIGHT ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UH, CONSIDERING THE TILE ROOF, THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. WE CAN, WE CAN, MR. BAILEY, WE CAN KEEP THE DISCUSSION GOING FOR, FOR FINAL, UH, UPDATED DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE ANOTHER ROUND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE ARE MORE STUCCO HOMES WITH ASPHALT SHINGLE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT. BUT I MEAN, IN MY MIND, I DO AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS ONE. UM, MOVING THE GARAGE FIVE FEET AND ADDING WINDOWS ON THAT BEDROOM WALL. AND THEN, UM, MAYBE STAFF CAN ALSO JUST SUPPLEMENT, UM, MR. BAILEY WITH THE ONE SLIDE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS. I'M NOT ADDING THOSE AS STIPULATIONS. I THINK I'VE MENTIONED MOST OF THEM BECAUSE HE'S ALSO AGREED TO THE FLAT, YOU KNOW, THE SMOOTH STUCCO WINDOW MATERIALS, THE FRONT TILE SIZE. UM, I AGREE WITH STUCCO ON ALL FOUR SIDES. WE'VE DISCUSSED THE FOUNDATION WITH THE POOL, SO I THINK, IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH? YEP, WE GOT IT. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER, FISH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. UH, IN TERMS OF THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERN. I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT A PRECEDENT SETTING ORGANIZATION AND, UH, GIVEN THE, THE SLOPE AT THE FRONT AND THE, THE FACT THAT THERE WASN'T A DRIVEWAY THERE, TRYING TO COMPEL A PROJECT TO PUT A DRIVEWAY ON THE STREET, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING. I THINK THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE IN THE, IN THE GARAGE PLACEMENT AND SHOULDN'T SERVE NECESSARILY AS A PRECEDENT IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS, AS A, AS AN ISSUE WITH THIS CASE, I THINK I, I HAVE A BIT OF HESITATION WITH THE SPECIFICATION OF THE ROOF MATERIAL IN BEING SO SPECIFIC IN THIS CASE, IN THE, IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE MOTION IS CRAFTED. UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE CHARACTER DEFINING MATERIAL ELEMENTS THAT THE, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAVE RAISED. BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THAT PIECE. I'M SORRY, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. WHAT WAS THE PIECE, THE, THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT OF THE ROOF TO BE, UH, TILE? MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORDING OF THE MOTION IS TO CONSIDER TILE AS HE DEVELOPS FROM CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO FINAL APPROVAL. IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER GRU? CORRECT. OKAY. OH, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH CONSIDER, BUT THE, [01:05:01] THE, I MEAN, ON CONCEPTUAL, ON CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, IF THAT'S NOT CLEAR, AND THAT'S THE MAKE OR BREAK OF THIS, AND IT COMES BACK IN TWO WEEKS, AND IT'S THE SAME ARGUMENT, UM, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING ABOUT WANTING, WANTING SOME CLARIFICATION ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE. AND MAYBE, LET ME CLARIFY. I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAT THE GARAGE KEEPS THE ASPHALT. IT COULD BE THAT INTRODUCING SOME TILE ROOF, ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONT, SOME OF THE FACADES, MAYBE SOME OF THE HIP ROOFS IN THE BACK. I MEAN, WHAT I DID ASK THE APPLICANT IS LIKE TO TAKE A DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE STUCCO HOMES THAT WE DO FIND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DO HAVE THAT TALL ROOF. AND THAT'S WHERE I AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WHEN I PUT SAY CONSIDER, I DON'T, IT'S NOT PART OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REALLY THE GUIDELINE, BUT IT IS A CONSIDERATION BOTH ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FROM ME ON THIS CASE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP, UH, GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, AND ESPECIALLY TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER GROUP, IS THAT IF WE, IF HE COMES BACK AND HE CONSIDERS, UM, THE ROOF, BUT THEN HE SAYS, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, THEN WHERE DO WE STAND WITH IT? SO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M FOR THE MOTION AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE STICKING POINT FOR ME AS WELL. I'M OPEN TO A AMENDS. IF IT IS A STICKING POINT, THEN I WOULD SAY I WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS ADDING A STIPULATION TO CHANGE THE ROOF MATERIAL TO TILE, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THAT DISCUSSION. UM, BUT THEN I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT ADDED STIPULATION, MR. CHAIR, I, I, SORRY, I HAVE A, A QUESTION OF STAFF. SO, UH, AS A, AS A NEW RELATIVELY NEW COMMISSIONER HAVE, HAS THIS COMMISSION APPROVED, UM, DESIGNS OF STUCCO THAT, THAT HAD COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOFS IN THIS DISTRICT OR IN OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN THE CITY? HAVE, HAVE WE DONE THAT RECENTLY OR IS THERE A PRECEDENT FOR THAT? OR HAVE WE ALWAYS HAVE? WE MANDATED THAT, UH, STUCCO NEW BUILDS WITH STUCCO FACADES HAVE TILE ROOFS. UM, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF KIND OF HISTORICIZED INFILL REQUESTS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURAL STYLE TO THEM. AND SO THIS IS UNIQUE THAT IT'S LIKE A SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE. AND SO TILE ROOFS ARE USUALLY, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STYLE, BUT WE'VE NEVER REQUIRED IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS WANTING TO DO THAT STYLE AS NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PRECEDENT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THIS DISTRICT. THERE IS ONE VERY RECENT CASE FROM JUST A MONTH AGO WHERE A TILE ROOF WAS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND IT WAS A SIMILAR STYLE, I THINK. AND RACHEL, THIS MIGHT'VE BEEN YOUR CASE. WAS THERE ONE IN WEST FORT? I THINK THAT WAS NEW CONSTRUCTION. THAT WAS A STUCCO HOUSE, AND I THINK THAT WAS A, A SHINGLE ROOF. IT WAS A TILE ROOF AS WELL. THAT WAS TWO. WAS IT METAL TILE OR CLAY TILE . ALRIGHT. UN UNCLEAR. MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE THOUGHT. I MEAN THE YES, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THAT THAT'S THE CONSIDERATION OF CHANGING THE TILE IS NOT SOMETHING HE'S WILLING TO CONSIDER AND HE'D LIKE FOR THAT TO GET SOME, SOME FEEDBACK HERE. SO MAYBE THE BEST WAY FORWARD IS TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT WELL MAYBE, MAYBE CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION IS NEEDED AS COMMISSIONER GROUP SUGGESTED THAT. NO, I THINK I DID AT THE END, I WOULD CHANGE MY MOTION. JUST, UM, NOT CALL THE AMEN. RIGHT. MAKE CLEAR ON MY MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE STIPULATION THAT TILE ROOF BE PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. SO I HAVE MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO MR. BAILEY, IT'S LOOKING LIKE A TILE ROOF WITH STUCCO SIDING IS, IS, IS THE NORM HERE, SO, UH, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE TILE ROOF, ARE YOU APPLICABLE TO CHANGING THE SIDING? UH, YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT STUCCO WITH TILE ROOF IS THE NORM. I'M SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN GO AROUND AND, AND PHOTOGRAPH, UM, EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF, IF WE NEED TO. BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THIS IS A, THIS IS A, THIS IS A VERY, UH, DELIBERATE NOD TO A, A STYLE THAT IS COMFORTABLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IN MY OPINION AS THE ARCHITECT, UM, [01:10:01] THE PROPOSED ROOF MATERIAL IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE. I THINK WE COULD, WE, IF WE LOOKED ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE STUCCO HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT IN THE 1920S, THIRTIES, FORTIES, UM, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW MANY WE WOULD COUNT THAT HAVE A COMPOSITION SHINGLE PROOF ON THERE IS ACTUALLY, I'M LOOKING ON GOOGLE. THERE ISN'T A TWO STORY STUCCO HOUSE AT 2125 WEST GRAMERCY THAT HAS COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF. IS IT COLONIAL, SAME AS 2136 WEST SUMMIT, WHICH IS MY HOUSE, WHICH IS STUCCO AND COLONIAL. IT HAS A SHINGLE. THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S GOT THE SPANISH, UM, KIND OF STYLE DESIGN ON THE FRONT. THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE TWO ONLY HOMES OR TWO OUT OF FOUR I THINK THAT HAVE STUCCO. IT'S MY HOUSE AND THAT HOUSE. EXACTLY. ACTUALLY WE USED TO HAVE THE SAME COLOR TOO. SO THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR. AND, UM, IT'S VERY UNCOMMON TO SEE THAT STUCCO ON THESE HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO FIND OTHER HOMES. THEY USUALLY BRICK. I BELIEVE THAT MY HOUSE WAS PROBABLY SIDING AT SOME POINT AND WAS AT ITS STUCCO IN THE SEVENTIES, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS COMMON THAT'S COMMONLY FOUND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. SIDING IS DEFINITELY LESS EXPENSIVE AND I COULD KNOCK OFF ALL THE DETAILS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, MAYBE ALLUDES A LITTLE MORE TO, TO CRAFTSMEN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S 19, LATE 1930S, 1940S. UM, IT WOULDN'T BE TRUE CRAFTSMEN. AND I MEAN, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DESIGN. IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE FOR SURE. UM, COMMISSIONERS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY JUST TO SAY LIKE, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE LOOKING AT HISTORIC EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TRYING TO MATCH, UM, THE GUIDELINES ARE JUST NOT THAT PRESCRIPTIVE. LIKE THERE'S NOT A STYLE BOOK IN THE GUIDELINES THAT SAYS LIKE, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS STYLE, HERE'S THE MATERIALS YOU USE. UM, AND SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION ISN'T ALWAYS ABOUT BEING MATCHY MATCHY, BUT, AND SO THAT'S WHY STAFF HAS MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'VE MADE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T FEEL TOO STRONGLY ABOUT IT MATCHING AN APPEARANCE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IF THERE IS KIND OF A DESIRE TO SEE THAT MATERIAL CHANGE, IT'S, IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE GUIDELINES, IT'S COMING FROM SOME SOMETHING ELSE. AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. I THINK I SAID IT EARLIER, THIS IS NOT A GUIDELINE. WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT ABLE TO SAY THAT AND THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK FOR FINAL AND, AND, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT OPTIONS. I JUST WANNA MAKE CLEAR ON THIS COMMISSION HERE THAT I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT BEING A LITTLE BIT OF A PERSONAL PREFERENCE ON THIS CASE. FIRST TO REPRESENT THE DISTRICT. I LIVE IN THE DISTRICT AND THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS THE SECOND NEW BILL THAT'S GONNA BE INTRODUCED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE LAST 30, OVER 30 YEARS. SO WE GOTTA BE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE INTRODUCING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SAME WAY THAT I HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT WHAT WE INTRODUCE INDIGNITY, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE INTRODUCING IS QUALITY. IT REALLY MATCHES WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A SECOND AND COMMISSIONER BAKER, YOU NEED TO KNOW THE SECOND HOME, LIKE YOUR LAST ONE WAS IN LAST MONTH THAT WE APPROVED. SO I THINK MR. BAILEY, I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES. I RESPECT YOUR ARCHITECTURE. I AM MAYBE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE STRICT ON THIS CASE, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO REALLY LOOK INTO THAT. I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR WHOLE DESIGN JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ADAMANT ABOUT SHINGLE. MAYBE YOU CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT HAS PART TILE IN THE FRONT, MAYBE REMOVE IN THE BACK. I DON'T KNOW. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, DO THINK ABOUT IT. YOU'RE INTRODUCING A NEW BUILD IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S RISING IN PRICES. I MEAN, I'M SURE THAT YOU'LL MAKE UP FOR THAT INVESTMENT. SO I JUST REALLY WANT YOU TO JUST, I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A FIGHT. IF I PUT THIS IN A CONCEPTUAL AND IT'S A STIPULATION, I MEAN, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT. I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS IT RIGHT. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER IT. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT. I I I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER. I WORKED ON THIS FOR THREE MONTHS BEFORE I BROUGHT IT TO YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, LET'S SEE HOW THAT GOES. BUT THE MOTION INCLUDES CHANGING THE ROOF MATERIAL TO A TILE ROOF, CORRECT. ADDING THAT STIPULATION YES. ADDITIONALLY TO ALL THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT WE MENTIONED. OKAY. JUST MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S NO LONGER TO LOOK INTO IT OR TO ESTIMATE OR TO UH, UH, UH, MOCK IT UP. CONSIDER IT. IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE HARD AND FAST. OKAY. GOT IT. SO MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS NAYYY FISH NAYYY SINO AYE. [01:15:01] MASUKA NAY GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. BAKER NAYYY. AND FETZER NAYYY. MAY I HAVE A ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? YES. COMMISSIONER FISH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MORE OR LESS REPEAT THE PREVIOUS MOTION, WHICH WAS FOR CO CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, AND, UH, THOSE OTHER ISSUES THAT WERE DISCUSSED WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE, UH, TILE ROOF REQUIREMENT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? CAN YOU RE CAN WE REPEAT THAT? UH, AGAIN, THIS IS A, THE SAME MOTION AS WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH, WITH THE EXCLUSION OF THE TILE ROOF AS A REQUIREMENT OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT FOR CONCEPTUAL, BUT TO ALSO TO RESEARCH IT AND, AND, AND CONCEPTUAL LOOKING. SO, OH, SO, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE APPLICANT TO DO IS TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, THAT THAT IS CORRECT. YES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A TILE ROOF, THE EXCEPTION OF THAT BEING A REQUIREMENT, I HOPE THE APPLICANT WILL CONSIDER IT FURTHER, BUT, UM, I I THINK IT'S A STEP TOO FAR TO HAVE THAT AS A VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT OF A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL HERE TODAY. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. WHAT IT WAS, UM, SABINA, MR. CHAIR, I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE I, THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT HE KNOWS IT'S A NEW BUILD AND WE WENT ROUND AND ROUND ON THIS A MONTH AGO ON A NEW BUILD, A NEW BUILD IS GONNA BE SCRUTINIZED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A RENOVATION OR A, A REHAB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I JUST WANT HOPE, HOPE THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I'VE BEEN, UH, BUILDING IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR 40 YEARS, SO YEAH, I GET IT. YOU, YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOUR JOB. CAN I? NO HARD FEELINGS. SECOND. WHAT? THANK YOU REVOKE. MY SECOND QUESTION FOR STAFF, CAN THE PERSON WHO SECONDED REVOKE IT? ALMA, CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? YES. THE PERSON WHO SECOND MAY WITHDRAW THEIR SECOND. YOU WITHDRAW YOUR SECOND. I WOULD LIKE TO REVOKE MY SECOND PRIMARILY FOR MORE CLARIFICATION ON, UM, SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN STIPULATIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IN THE PAST. AND SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE THE MOTION MAKER TO CONSIDER, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OTHER ROOF OPTIONS, OTHER ROOF MATERIAL OPTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD AMEND THE MOTION TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE SUGGEST THAT THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OTHER ROOF OPTIONS. OKAY, WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SNU? AYE. MASUKA. AYE. GRU. AYE. SANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND ZER AYE. MOTION PASSES A QUO, UH, QUESTION FOR LEGAL. THAT WAS AN AMENDED MOTION. NOW DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED? NO, I, I'M, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I MEAN THE SAME, SAME MOTION MAKER. SAME SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, YOUR DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANS AND SPECS. MR. BAILEY? THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. AGENDA ITEM [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] NUMBER 10. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 22 5 75 1 0 3 BROWN STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A SURFACE PARKING LOT AT 1 0 3 BROWN STREET, LOCATED WITHIN THE DIGNITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED SURFACE LOT WILL FEATURE 24 PARKING STALLS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH [01:20:01] F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT UTILIZE THE EXISTING CURB CUTS AT BROWN STREET AND BROWN ALLEY FOR ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT AND ELIMINATE THE CENTRAL PROPO PROPOSED CURB CUT. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL AN ATTRACTIVE SCREENING ELEMENT ALONG EACH PROPERTY LINE TO BUFFER THE PROPOSED SURFACE PARKING FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, PUBLIC ACCESS TO BROWN STREET SHOULD NOT BE IMPEDED WITHOUT PROPERTY REVIEW AND APPROVAL FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. UH, THE, UH, APPLICANT TEAM IS JOINING US VIRTUALLY. UM, THERE'S ALSO ONE VOICEMAIL, UH, THAT WE HAVE TO PLAY AS WELL AS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. I THINK WE HAVE A APPLICANT PRESENT, SO YOU HAVE ONE UP TO THE MICROPHONE. HELLO, MY NAME IS SAM KNOTZ. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER AT PAP DAWSON ENGINEERS. AND, UM, THIS SITE PLAN THAT YOU SEE, UH, HAS A VERY THIN LOT EXISTING LOT. UM, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING ALLEYS WITH TWO CURB CUTS AS WAS NOTED. UM, UH, ONE OF THE, THE NORTHERN CURB CUT FOR BROWN ALLEY IS OVERSIZED AND QUITE LARGE AND ENCROACHES INTO THE, UM, LOT. UM, WE'LL BE REDUCING THAT AND, UM, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT, UM, TO, TO FACILITATE THE PARKING. UH, THE LOT IS SO NARROW THAT WE CAN ONLY DO ANGLED PARKING ONE WAY FLOW AS YOU SEE THERE ON ONE OF THOSE, UH, EXHIBITS. UM, UM, MAYBE GO BACK ONE MORE THAT IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN. YEAH. UH, SO, UH, THAT'S THE ONE-WAY ANGLED PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY IN THE MIDDLE ON CHERRY STREET, RIGHT THERE IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. AND THEY, UH, THE, THE CARS WOULD TAKE A ONE WAY DIRECTION AND THEN COME BACK INTO BROWN STREET AND EXIT OUT, UH, INTO THE ALLEYWAY. UH, SO THE REQUEST, UH, TO REMOVE THAT DRIVEWAY, UM, KIND OF, UH, UH, DESTROYS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MOST OF THE PARKING HERE, UM, CONFIGURATION AND THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. UM, THAT WAS THE BIGGEST, UH, COMMENT I THINK THAT WE HAD ON, ON THIS REVIEW. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? HELLO, MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOIS. I LIVE IN, AND I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL FOR CASE H UH, H CASE NUMBER 20 22 5 7 5. WE SUPPORT H D R C RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ARE REQUESTING THAT THE RECOMMENDED SCREENING ELEMENT INSTALLED ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE TO BUFFER THE PROPOSED SURFACE PARKING FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, BE AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID TYPE OF MATERIAL TO CURTAIL LIGHT AND NOISE POLLUTION INTO THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. DURING THE ZONING REQUEST DISCUSSION TO ALLOW THIS VACANT LOT TO BE USED AS A PARKING LOT, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THIS LOT WAS THE LIGHT AND NOISE POLLUTION THAT COULD FILTER OVER FROM THE PARKING LOT INTO THEIR HOUSES. WE PROPOSED THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WITH LIGHTING THAT FACED DOWNWARD TO RESOLVE THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHTING. AND THEY AGREED TO THIS REQUEST. WE'RE NOW ASKING THAT THIS STIPULATION BE PART OF THE CONDITIONS AND THAT THE APPLICANT HONOR THEIR AGREEMENT TO THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE AND DIRECTION OF LIGHTING SINCE THEY DID THIS TO GAIN THE ZONING SUPPORT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SURROUND THIS PARKING LOT. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO WE LOOK AT PICTURE SIX TRYING TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN. UM, PICTURE SIX RIGHT NOW, THIS IS HOW YOU'RE USING THE PARKING LOT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW? CORRECT. AND THE CARS GO IN AND OUT ON THE SCENE, CORRECT? THEY USE THE, THAT DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE IS A PART OF THE ALLEY. OKAY, SO THAT WAS GONNA BE MY SECOND QUESTION. ARE YOU PAVING THE ALLEY IS BROWN ALLEY, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WHERE DOES THE ALLEY, IS THAT WHERE THE RED, WHERE DOES THE ALLEY LIKE, UM, THAT AND THE NEXT ONE SHOWS IT BETTER? WE ARE PAVING BROWN STREET AND WE ARE NOT TOUCHING BROWN ALLEY. YEAH, SO LIKE, IF WE LOOK AT THE PICTURE WHERE THE CARS ARE RIGHT NOW MM-HMM. , THEY'RE PARKING IN BROWN ALLEY. WHERE DOES BROWN ALLEY GO TO? IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE RED CAR? 14, ABOUT 14 FEET TO THE RIGHT FROM THE [01:25:01] EXISTING FENCE. OKAY, SO THAT IS THE ALLEY MM-HMM. , I THOUGHT. CORRECT. COMMISSIONER, UM, YOU, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS THROUGH OTHER REQUESTS WE'VE HAD FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT, UH, BOTH BROWN STREET AND BROWN ALLEY ARE UNIMPROVED. UM, IN, IN THEORY THE RIGHT OF WAY GOES ALL THE WAY TO TO NORTH MESQUITE STREET FOR BOTH. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA PUT A FENCE IN BROWN ALLEY, BUT JUST KEEP IT DIRT AND, AND THOSE ARE JUST QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CASE. IT IS MY TIONS FOR OTHER CASES THAT ARE COMING UP WITH SOME CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S GONNA BE RIGHT UP YOUR PARKING LOT. SO YOU'RE, UH, AND, AND, AND THAT MAYBE IS ALSO A QUESTION FOR COMMISSIONER BAKER WILL CLARIFY. CAN YOU MAKE THAT TURN ON BROWN STREET WITH ANY SIZE CAR ONTO, LIKE, GETTING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT? CAN ANY SIZE CAR MAKE THAT TURN? IT'S A RADIUS 12 AND A RADIUS EIGHT. UM, PROBABLY FOR A, A REGULAR SIZED CAR. YEAH. UH, BUT NOT A, NOT A LARGE, UH, UH, CARGO TRUCK OR GARBAGE TRUCK OR ANYTHING, OR FIRETRUCK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UH, MR. KNOTTS, UM, THE TWO STAFFS STIPULATION, LET'S SEE, OH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, INSTALL ATTRACTIVE SCREENING ELEMENT ALONG EACH PROPERTY LINE TO BUFFER THE PROPOSED SURFACE PARKING FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. MM-HMM. , IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I THINK, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING THAT, UM, THE ARCHITECT IS ALSO ON THE, THE, THE CALL, THE VIRTUAL CALL, UH, JEREMY. AND, UM, HE MIGHT BE, IF, IF HE'S AVAILABLE HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO THAT, BUT I THINK THE, WE PROPOSED A SCREENING IN HERE, UH, ON THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN. UM, I BELIEVE, UM, PER THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THIS READS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS BROWN ALLEY, IT'S CHERRY STREET, AND ALSO BROWN STREET. THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY RIGHT OF WAYS, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO WHAT IS THE BUFFERING OR THE SCREENING DEVICE ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE AND ON THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE? WHAT MIGHT THAT BE? UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A, UH, I I I WOULD GUESS IT'S A, LIKE A GREEN FENCE, UH, SCREEN. MAYBE NOT A OPAQUE. HEY SAM, THIS IS, THIS IS JEREMY CAN, YEAH, THANKS JEREMY. HELP ME OUT. . HEY GUYS, THIS IS JEREMY WITH DOUGLAS ARCHITECTS. SO CURRENTLY WE ARE, WE'RE SHOWING IMPROVEMENTS. UM, WE'RE GONNA PAVE THE PARKING LOT AND WE'RE GONNA ENHANCE IT WITH LANDSCAPE PLANTING AND TREES. UM, AS FAR AS SCREENING, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSED SCREENING. UH, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR GREEN SCREEN ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE. WE WOULD NEED TO EAT INTO THE PARKING LOT ABOUT 18 TO 24 INCHES. SO WE DON'T, WE DO HAVE ROOM FOR MAYBE A SMALL OR SMALL POSTS, BUT THERE, THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR ANY KIND OF GREEN SCREENING ALONG THAT NORTH OR SOUTH PROPERTY LINES. I WILL SAY THOSE ARE EXISTING FENCES ON THE, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, SIDE, THEY HAVE FENCES, UM, ALREADY THERE , SO YEAH, ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROWN ALLEY AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BROWN STREET. SO WHEN THIS WENT TO ZONING, WAS THAT, WAS THAT KNOWN TO YOU GUYS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD REQUESTED GREEN WALL, ESPECIALLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS WHOSE HEADLIGHTS WHO WOULD HAVE HEADLIGHT OVERFLOW INTO THEIR PROPERTY? WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF DURING THE ZONING PROCESS? IT WAS, AND INITIALLY, CONCEPTUALLY WE WERE SHOWN A GREEN SCREEN, BUT AFTER JUST EVALUATING THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE, WE DECIDED TO, TO JUST ENHANCE IT WITH TREES AND, UH, LANDSCAPING AND PLANTING AND ANY LIGHTING THAT GOES ONTO THE SITE WILL DEFINITELY BE DIRECTED AWAY FROM NEIGHBORS. OH, I, I WOULD SAY THE LIGHTING ISSUE IS WON BY AUTOMOBILES AT LIGHT AT NIGHT WITH HEADLIGHTS AS WELL AS FIXTURES. I WOULD PROBABLY, UM, WANT TO SEE A LIGHTING PLAN WITH FIXTURE SPECIFICATIONS ON THIS. SO THIS IS CHAIRMAN FETZER QUESTION. SO RIGHT NOW THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT ALONG THE NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES IS A CURB AROUND YOUR PARKING LOT AND THEN, UH, THE PLANTING AREAS ON THE EAST AND WEST ENDS? CORRECT. SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NOT EVEN A, A CHAIN LINK FENCE OR A PRIVACY FENCE ALONG THE NORTH AND SOUTH, [01:30:01] IT'S JUST WHAT'S THE, THE RESIDENCE ALREADY HAVE IN THAT BUSINESS ALREADY HAVE TODAY? WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW FENCING AROUND YOUR PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, WE LOOK AT THIS IMAGE, WE CAN SEE KIND OF THAT WIDE, THAT WIDE APRON, I BELIEVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN HALF OF THAT GOES TO BROWN ALLEY. AND THE OTHER HALF OF THAT IS ON THE ACTUAL PARCEL WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE LOT. SO YOU'RE, THE PROPOSAL, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS HALF OF THAT IS BEING CUT OUT AND REMOVED, AND THEN A NEW APRON ON CHERRY IS GONNA BE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THIS IMAGE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THAT NEW APPROACH? THE, THE THROAT IS APPROXIMATELY 16 FEET, BUT THE, THE LENGTH, UM, A ALONG THE EDGE OF CHERRY STREET IS ABOUT 20, MAYBE 25, 29. IF YOU ZOOM INTO THAT DIMENSION IN THE MIDDLE, 29, 29 FEET, AND WE WERE PROBABLY GOING TO JUST KEEP THE WHOLE CURB, UM, HEADER CURB OR FLUSH CURB, UM, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF GOING UP AND DOWN, UP AND DOWN MANY TIMES ON THE SIDEWALK FOR VERY SHORT DISTANCES, CREATING WHEELCHAIR RAMPS AND, AND ALL THAT. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE, THE INCLUSION OF A NEW APRON WHERE I CAN SEE THE NUMBER SEVEN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND SCREEN. THAT DOESN'T EXIST YET, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S JUST A DIRT CURVE OR IS THERE ACTUALLY A AP? I THINK THERE IS AN APRON THERE AND, UM, WE WOULD IMPROVE IT, UM, REPLACE IT WITH A NEW ONE. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A PHOTO THERE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT TO BE ACCURATE THAT THERE IS, UH, AN APRON AND ESSENTIALLY THESE APRONS ARE ONLY AS DEEP AS THE SIDEWALK IS WIDE. THEY'RE NOT REALLY MOVING, MOVING IN, IN PAST THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK. AND THE IMAGE ON, ON SLIDE SIX, WE CAN SEE SOME ADDITIONAL DEPTH THERE. BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING LANDSCAPING IN THAT LOCATION, CORRECT? RIGHT. YEAH, WE, WE GO UP TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, AND, UH, AND CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK, THE WIDTH THE WAY IT IS TODAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION MR. VICE? I I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE, THE COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT TO HAVE A, A FENCE AROUND THE NORTH AND SOUTH, THE TWO LONGER SIDES, OR IT WAS AS TO HAVE, SO ALL FOUR SIDES THEN HAVE, HAVE A, A LIGHT MITIGATING BARRIER, WHETHER THAT'S A FENCE OR LANDSCAPING, I COULD REPLAY THE NEIGHBORHOODS VOICEMAIL. YES, PLEASE. OR IF YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THE LETTER. I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION, IF I MAY. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. AND, AND THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO I THINK THE ONLY REALLY SIDE OF THIS, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED OF THE CURB CO ON BROWN STREET. I THINK YOU'RE REPAVING THE STREET, YOU'RE GIVING IT ACCESS. I DON'T, I'M NOT ACTUALLY, I THINK I WOULD PREFER THE CARS TO EXIT A DIFFERENT ENTRY. UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADD A FENCE ON THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE SIDE THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL MORE THAN, UM, BROWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THERE, THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADD A FENCE THERE TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT NOISE AND POLLUTION AND FOR THE NEIGHBORS? WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO WHATEVER WE TOLD THE COMMUNITY WE'RE GONNA DO. UH, I WAS THERE DURING THE DISCUSSIONS FOR THE ZONING CASE AND I THINK SINCE THEN A LOT HAS CHANGED BECAUSE WE WERE HOPING TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE, SO THAT DIDN'T COME TO FRUITION. SO I THINK A GREAT SOLUTION IS TO WORK WITH THAT NEIGHBOR TO, UM, PUT SOME FENCING UP TO MITIGATE THE LIGHT AND WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO DO THAT. I WILL SAY IT'S AN ABANDONED BUILDING, SO MAYBE THE STIPULATION IS ONCE IT'S REDEVELOPED, UH, IT'S COMPLETELY ABANDONED. IT HOUSES HOMELESS PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, BUT ONCE IT'S REDEVELOPED, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE EVEN A BETTER TIME TO CONSIDER WORKING WITH THEM TO PUT THAT FENCE UP. IF, I MEAN, I WAS ACTUALLY ONLY SUGGESTING THE NORTH SIDE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE, THE CONCERN IS NOT THE, THE BUILDING. I THINK THE CONCERN IS THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE. YEAH, AGREED. I'M SORRY, I MEANT THE NORTH SIDE, THE BUILDING. YEAH, AGREED. COMMISSIONER GROUP. UM, AND I THINK IT DOES APPLY TO THE TWO LOTS. THERE'S THE, THE HOUSE THAT FRONTS CHERRY, BUT THEN THERE'S A HOUSE THAT FRONTS THE OTHER STREET. AND AGAIN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE ANGLE OF THE CAR, CAR AS IT COMES IN, WHETHER IT'S EARLY MORNING, LATE NIGHT AND HEADLIGHTS. [01:35:01] SO, UM, I THINK THAT COULD WORK WELL AS A STIPULATION ALONG WITH A, UM, LIGHTING FIXTURE, UH, SCHEDULE AND SPEC SHEET. SO IT'S NOT LIKE REPLACING THEIR, UH, EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A PRIVACY FENCE. IT'S PUTTING A PRIVACY FENCE I THINK. I THINK, I THINK, UM, AS PROPERTY OWNERS, WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE NEEDS ON OUR PROPERTY AND THAT WOULD BE YOU. OKAY, BUT HOLD ON. THE NEIGHBOR'S BROWN ALLEY CHAIN LINK FENCE IS CURRENTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BROWN ALLEY. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT REPLACING THAT. I WAS WE'RE SAYING ON PUTTING UP A FENCE ON YOUR SIDE ON THE PROPERTY. EXACTLY. PROPERTY LINE. AGREED. WHICH RIGHT NOW DOES NOT HAVE A FENCE. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE YOUR CARS ARE PARKED, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO, TO CHANGE THEIR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE. YEAH, I WAS JUST THINKING IF THEY WANTED A PRIVACY FENCE, THEY COULD, I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE IT, BUT YEAH. WELL, AND THEN WHAT WE COULD DO IS WORK WITH THAT HOMEOWNER THROUGH, UM, PUT A FENCE THERE RATHER THAN A LITTLE ONE IN BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND THE PARKING LOT. WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AS WELL AS A, PROBABLY A BETTER SOLUTION. IT MAKES, IT MAKES MORE SENSE. AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. ONCE THAT'S REDEVELOPED, WE CAN WORK WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO REDO HIS FENCE, HIS OR HER FENCE, SINCE THAT'S SUCH A MOVING TARGET. I THINK IT'S MY TAKE IS THAT IT IS MORE RESPONSIBLE, UM, SOLUTION TO PUT IT ON YOUR PROPERTY THAN YOU DO IT ONCE AND YOU'RE DONE. THERE'S ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER ON, ON MESQUITE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, THEIR BACKYARD WOULD BE AT THE EAST END OF YOUR PARKING LOT. MM-HMM. . SO EVERY TIME A CAR TURNS THERE, THOSE HEADLIGHTS ARE GOING TO SHINE INTO THAT PROPERTY OWNER ON MESQUITE. SO, UM, I THINK PRIVACY FENCING, SOLID FENCING SHOULD HAPPEN. UM, WHERE THERE ARE RESIDENCES AT LEAST IT'S LIKE A, THAT'S A LOT. IT'S NOTHING THERE OF COURSE, BUT IT'S A LOT THAT IS COMPLETELY BOUND BY BROWN ALLEY AND BROWN STREET. UM, AND THERE'S MORE LOTS BEYOND THAT AS WELL. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BACKYARD OR NOT, UM, OR FRONT YARD, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER. UM, BUT YEAH, IT COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A COMPLAINT IF IT'S DEVELOPED. YEAH, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN WAS IN THEIR LETTER. IT ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY SAID THE NORTH OF THIS SLOT, SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST HER MAKES A MOTION. IF NOT, I'LL BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, DIRECTING MORE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE LOT AND NOT INCLUDING ANY OTHER SIDES FOR NOW, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I'LL ATTEMPT A MOTION. I MOTION THAT WE, UM, ACCEPT, UH, THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S DRIVEWAY CUTS AS PRESENTED. THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL AN ATTRACTIVE SCREENING ELEMENT ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE TO BUFFER PROPOSED SURFACE PARKING LIGHT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY TO SUBMIT A LIGHT FIXTURE SCHEDULE AND SPECIFICATIONS TO LIGHT FIXTURES. UH, SECOND YOU HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINO AYE. AYE. GROUP. AYE. ANTE? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 13. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 5 86 3 11 EAGLE LAND, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PARTIALLY DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE WEST ELEVATION. TWO, RECONSTRUCT THE WEST ELEVATION AND THREE, CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS ONE A THROUGH ONE C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE EXISTING WEST ELEVATION IS DECONSTRUCTED VERSUS DEMOLISHED AND THAT ANY EXISTING SIDING THAT IS NOT DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR IS SALVAGED WHERE POSSIBLE TO BE REUSED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION. ITEMS TWO AND THREE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE WEST ELEVATION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SECOND STORY ADDITION BASED ON FINDINGS TWO A THROUGH TWO I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS HEIGHT INFORMATION FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND PROVIDES A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PROPOSED HEIGHT FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND THAT THE REAR ACCESSORY [01:40:01] STRUCTURE WILL BE VISUALLY SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING TWO B TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL LOCK COVERAGE TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING TWO C THREE THAT THE APPLICANT SIM SIMPLIFIES THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM AND SUBMITS UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING TWO D FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS AND SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING TWO F FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES A MORE TRADITIONAL FENESTRATION PATTERN INTO THE PLANS FOR THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND PROVIDES EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOW PROPORTIONS ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE ON SURROUNDING GARAGES AND OUTBUILDINGS BASED ON FINDING TWO G. THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT UPDATED DRAWINGS AND DOCUMENTATION TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS AND DIMENSIONS FOR PROPOSED WOOD POST SUPPORTS AND THE PROPOSED WINDOW AWNING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON FINDING TWO H AND SEVEN THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE FENCE LOCATION, SITE WORK MODIFICATIONS AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A BASED ON BINDING TWO I. AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED UPDATED DRAWINGS TO STAFF, UM, AFTER THE, UH, AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED. AND SO THEY ARE PRESENTING THAT TO MEET STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEM ONE, STIPULATION ONE AND ITEM TWO STIPULATIONS 1, 2, 3, 5, AND SEVEN. AND THE APPLICANT CHRIS GILL IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. AND CHRIS, I'M GOING TO PULL UP YOUR UPDATED DRAWINGS AND YOU CAN, UM, BEGIN BY EXPLAINING YOUR REQUEST TO THE COMMISSIONERS. SOUNDS GOOD. I'VE, I'VE GOT 'EM PULLED UP AS WELL IF THAT'D BE EASIER. UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, MY ARCHITECT'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, JOIN US, SO I'LL MUDDLE THROUGH THIS THE BEST I CAN. UM, BUT WE HAD A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW MEETING. UH, WE HAD INITIAL KIND OF CONSULTATION PRELIMINARILY WITH, UM, O H P STAFF. UM, WE THEN HAD A DESIGN REVIEW MEETING AND INCORPORATED COMMENTS FROM BOTH OF THOSE AS WELL AS THE, UM, KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION INTO THE UPDATED PLANS, UM, TO REALLY TRY TO ENSURE THAT THE RENOVATION, UM, OF THE BACK STRUCTURE STAYED SUBORDINATE AND WAS REALLY IN KEEPING WITH LARGELY WHAT IS EXISTING ALREADY ON THE SITE, UM, BUT ALSO JUST NOT TRYING TO, UM, IMPOSE FROM A HEIGHT OR MASSING OR PERSPECTIVE, UM, ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE. SHOULD WE GO AHEAD AND PLAY THE VOICEMAIL WE HAVE FOR THIS CASE? CAN WE GO BACK TO THE HEAD ON ELEVATION OF EAGLE LAND STREET TO SHOW THE RELATIONSHIP IN HEIGHT BETWEEN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE MAIN HOUSE? OKAY, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. OH, BEFORE THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. I'LL PLAY THAT NOW. MY NAME IS LISA LIN CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEW THIS PROJECT AND CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES, FINDINGS, AND ALL STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION IS IN FACT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING TO FIVE 40 ADAMS AND SHOULD THEREFORE RELATE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER MATERIALS AND DETAILS OF THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. AS STATED IN THE GUIDELINES, THE PROPOSED SECOND STORY EDITION AS DESIGNED IS CONTRARY TO THE PATTERN OF ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THIS AREA OF KING WILLIAM. YOU SUGGEST THAT THE TWO STORY PORTION BE SHIFTED TO THE NORTHEAST END OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO MITIGATE VIEWING THE TWO STORY MASS FROM EAGLE LAND DRIVE. THE ROOF SHOULD BE SIMPLER IN FORM AND DETAILS SHOULD REFLECT THOSE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. OUR [01:45:01] RECOMMENDATION IS TO DEFER FURTHER REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SUBMIT REVISED DRAWINGS THAT ADDRESS ALL OF THESE STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL OUTLINED BY O H P STAFF AND RESUBMIT FOR PUBLIC AND H D R C REVIEW. THANK YOU. AND TO CLARIFY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS NOT REVIEWED THESE UPDATED DRAWINGS. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. SO IS THIS HAS ITS OWN ADDRESS, ITS OWN ENTRY, IT'S NOT RELATED TO FIVE 40 ADAMS ADDRESS WISE OR IS THE SAME OWNER? SURE. CHRIS CAN CLARIFY. IT IS THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FOR FIVE 40 ADAMS BUT IS AS ADDRESSED SEPARATELY. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN ACCESS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR AS A SEPARATE WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UM, DURING THE D R C, WE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, UM, ON THIS PROJECT RANGING FROM OH, WINDOWS, DOORS, HEIGHTS, AND, UM, THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND SHOULD THAT FACE THAT BUILDING FACE ON THE DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY, UH, UM, UM, BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS, UM, WHAT IS THE DATE OF THE ORIGINAL GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT IS RIGHT ON THE DRIVEWAY? UM, AND I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE A DATE AND WE DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE BOUNDS OR THE EXTENT WERE. COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? CERTAINLY. SO THE EXISTING GARAGE STRUCTURE APPEARS ON THE 1931 SANBORN MAP AND ITS, UM, EXISTING CONFIGURATION, UH, IN THE SAME LOCATION. THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, DOES, PARDON ME, DOES NOT APPEAR ON THE 1951 SANBORN MAP. UM, AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE WAS A STRUCTURE IN THAT LOCATION IN A VARIED FOOTPRINT, UM, IN 1973. UH, SO THE STRUCTURE IN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT DID NOT EXIST, UM, UNTIL AFTER 1973. AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS? CORRECT. CAN YOU, AND SO THE AUTO STRUCTURE LIKELY DATES TO 19 31, 19 31, CAN YOU, UH, PUT UP A PICTURE OR THE BEST VIEW OF EXISTING STRUCTURES TO SHOW US WHERE THAT IS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? THAT'S THE ONE I WAS LOOKING FOR. UM, I'M, I WILL JUST SAY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE APPROACH OF THE PROJECT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO THE GARAGE AS WE, THIS REBUILD IS REALLY NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT AN ADDITION TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES. IT'S A WHOLE NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND SO THE APPROACH OF IT IS, IS A BIT OFFBEAT. I GUESS I SAY THAT BECAUSE, UM, THE ADDITIONS ARE NOT REFERENCING THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC STRUCTURES, SPECIFICALLY BOARD AND BATTEN VERSUS, UH, THE FORM, THE FORM, THE GABLE FORM ON THE FRONT, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT. UM, HOW, UM, UH, I, I THINK THE APPROACH TO THE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT IS TAKING TO THE FRONT FOOTPRINT IS A CONVENIENT ONE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE BUILDING, THE NEW BUILDING TO BE LARGE. UM, SO I HAD REAL CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OR EVEN THE, THE SHADOW OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS THERE. UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT. AND I WOULD SAY BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, ALSO THE LOGISTICS AND THE FEASIBILITY STRUCTURALLY OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. UM, I, AND NOW THAT WE HAVE UPDATED DRAWINGS, I AM, UH, I'M MORE INCLINED TO WANT TO SEE THIS BACK AT A D R C. AGAIN. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY PART OF MY QUESTION. THE STAFF I SEE YOU STAFF ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, YOU BOX THEM IN WITH VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WINDOWS. AND IS THAT BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS OF THE, OF THE PERIOD FROM 19, WHAT DID YOU SAY, 31 OR SOMETHING? SO THOSE ARE STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS, UM, FOR [01:50:01] EXISTING STRUCTURES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT? SO THE APPLICANT WOULD STILL NEED TO SUBMIT WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS SHOWING THAT THE, UH, NEW ANYONE NEW WINDOWS MEET THESE SPECIFICATIONS. RIGHT. BUT THESE SPECIFICATIONS ARE THIS FOR, FOR FOR A SECOND STORY EDITION OR FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, FOR THE ENTIRE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH, WHICH WE THINK RIGHT NOW IS NOT HISTORICALLY CORRECT. IT'S NOT ORIGINAL THEN, RIGHT? A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE, UM, IS LIKELY ORIGINAL TO 1931, BUT IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED OVER TIME. AND IN 1973 THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. IS THAT WHAT WE SAW IN THE PICTURE EARLIER? NO, THE STRUCTURE WAS EXISTING. UH, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WAS EXISTING IN A DIFFERENT FOOTPRINT AND THAT PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE DID NOT EXIST, UM, ON THE 1951 SANBORN, I THINK I'M INCLINED TO AGREE WITH, UH, THE FELLOW COMMISSIONER HERE. I THINK THAT'S, UH, YEAH, D R C'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. I DON'T KNOW IF I, IF I, UH, HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. UM, I MEAN THERE WAS ALREADY ONE D R C, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE DO GUIDE. UM, I THINK IT, IT'S VALID AT D R C BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STIPULATIONS. I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE LEAVING TO STAFF, SO I WOULD SAY IT'S A D R C DISCUSSING IF, IF THE APPLICANT SAYS AGREES TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS, I THINK SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS AND SOME OF THE WINDOW, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ACTUALLY GO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY MAYBE ADD A COUPLE MORE STIPULATIONS. MAYBE I THINK THE RULE FORM OR SOMEBODY WAS MENTIONING, OR IF SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS COULD ADD SOME STIPULATIONS BEFORE THAT D R C OR ADD SOME COMMENTS SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. I WOULD CONCUR THAT, UM, SENDING THIS TO A D R C MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED MANY OF THE COMMENTS, BUT THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE AND WE'RE JUST NOW REVIEWING THIS. SO HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS AND DISCUSS THIS WITH THE APPLICANT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE. MR. CHAIRMAN? I, YES, I CONCUR WITH THAT. I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE SCREEN THAT STAFF IS SHOWING US VERSUS THE FILE AND TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF EXACTLY WHAT'S CHANGED. AND I CERTAINLY NEED MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE, UH, LATE CHANGES. AND I, AND I BELIEVE THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, AN UPDATE BEYOND FILE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. UH, ALSO, SO THEREFORE I MOVED, I MOVED FOR A D R C. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH. AYE. S AYE. MASUKA AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND ZER AYE. MOTION PASSES AND WE DO THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING, UH, STAFF'S COMMENTS IN YOUR, UH, RECENTLY PRESENTED PLANS, BUT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THIS AND DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. SO LOOK FORWARD TO THE D R C. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. AGENDA ITEM 15, I BELIEVE. ITEM 15 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 9 3 1 0 9 WEST MULBERRY AVENUE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FRONT YARD FENCE, ADD ARTIFICIAL TURF TO THE FRONT YARD AT AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH AN APRON FLARING FROM EIGHT FEET AT THE SIDEWALK TO 10 FEET AT THE STREET CONSTRUCTED 10 BY 24 BACKYARD SHED AND INSTALL A 15 BY 35 CONCRETE PAVER PATIO NEXT TO THE PROPOSED BACKYARD SHED. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM ONE, INSTALLATION OF A FRONT YARD FENCE BASED ON FINDING C. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, ADDITION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF TO THE FRONT YARD BASED ON FINDING D A REQUEST TO INSTALL PLANTINGS OR TRADITIONAL LAWN INSTEAD OF ARTIFICIAL TURF IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE REVIEW BY THE H D R C STAFF. RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, ADDITION OF AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY WITH AN APRON FLARING FROM EIGHT FEET AT THE SIDEWALK TO 10 FEET AT THE STREET. BASED ON FINDING, E STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, CONSTRUCTION OF A 10 BY 24 BACKYARD SHED BASED ON FINDINGS F AND G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE HORIZONTAL HARDY SIDING BE INSTALLED WITH A FOUR INCH REVEAL, SMOOTH SIDE OUT. TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A HIP OR GABLED ROOF FORM. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, INSTALLATION OF A 15 BY 35 CONCRETE PAVER PATIO NEXT TO THE PROPOSED BACKYARD SHED BASED ON FINDING G UM, THE APPLICANT, STEVE GRAHAM IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE IS ONE LETTER, UH, ON FILE FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW. [01:55:03] OKAY. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? FINE, THANK YOU. THANKS. YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. OH, YES. UH, STEVE GRAHAM, 1 0 9 WEST MULBERRY. THANK YOU. UM, I GUESS THE, UH, THE FIRST ONE IS THE FRONT FENCE, UM, FRONT FENCE, THREE FEET HIGH. UH, I LISTED, UM, A COUPLE, UM, AREAS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, FRONT FENCES SIMILAR. UM, THERE, UH, THERE'S SOME BRAND NEW CONDOS, UH, TWO BLOCKS DOWN ON MULBERRY THAT HAVE A VERY HIGH FRONT METAL FENCE THAT WAS ADDED 2 0 7 THROUGH, UH, AND TWO 15 EAST MULBERRY. UM, THERE'S AN ENTIRE FRONT WALL ALONG 1 36 EAST MULBERRY, WHICH IS A BLOCK FROM MY HOUSE, TWO 11 WEST HOLLYWOOD. UM, HAS A, UH, CURRENT WHITE PICKET FENCE, UM, ALL ALONG THE FRONT OF IT, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, I BELIEVE ON SATCH AND, UM, HOWARD, UH, THERE'S A NEW, UM, HOG WIRE STYLE FENCE. UM, SO THAT I BELIEVE THERE'S, UH, PLENTY OF PRECEDENCE FOR FRONT YARD FENCE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC ON MULBERRY. UM, UH, WE DO LIKE TO, TO SIT IN OUR FRONT YARD. UM, THIS HOUSE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 94. IT'S, IT'S BEEN PRETTY BAD FOR A WHILE. THE ENTIRE YARD IS CURRENTLY DIRT. UM, SAME WITH THE BACKYARD. I TOOK THE HOUSE OVER FROM MY MOTHER, UM, AND I, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THAT FRONT SPACE AND, AND ARE REQUESTING THAT SHORT, UM, FRONT YARD PICKET FENCE. UM, SO THAT WAY THERE IS SOME TYPE OF BARRIER FROM, FROM THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES DOWN THAT MULBERRY SIDEWALK. UM, WHILE WE'RE UTILIZING OUR FRONT YARD. UM, THAT'S THE REQUEST FOR THAT. AND, AND IT, AND IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE FIVE FEET OFF THE SIDEWALK. THERE IS A, A A FIVE FOOT, UM, WIDE BLACK, UH, MULCH BED THAT WILL HAVE NATIVE PLANTS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN STAFF APPROVED. UM, SO I DO, UH, REQUEST THAT Y'ALL, UM, APPROVE THAT FRONT FENCE. UM, DO I CONTINUE TO THE OTHER ITEMS? OKAY. UM, REGARDING THE ARTIFICIAL TURF, UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT'S NOT COMMON, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT OVER THE NEXT COMING YEARS, THE NEXT DECADES AS, UH, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURS, WATER BECOMES SCARCE, THAT I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT GRASS IS A GOOD OPTION FOR FRONT YARDS LONG TERM. UM, IN, IN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, UH, I HAVE MY NEIGHBORS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE CONSTANTLY, UM, WATERING THEIR GRASS REPEATEDLY, WASTING LARGE VOLUMES OF WATER. UM, AND THIS WOULD ALSO AVOID ME DOING ADDITIONAL ZERO ESCAPING AND THAT SPACE, THAT WOULD BE THE, WHERE THE TURF IS, UM, BECAUSE I, I JUST FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T REALLY BELIEVE IN, IN ADDING MORE GRASS, UM, FOR THOSE REASONS THAT I MENTIONED. AS FAR AS THE WATER CONSUMPTION, UH, ARTIFICIAL TURF IS, IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD NOWADAYS. UM, THERE'S TURF OUT THERE THAT LOOKS IDENTICAL TO GRASS. ADDITIONALLY, IT WOULD BE BEHIND THAT MULCH, UM, FRONT BED AND IF APPROVED THE, THE PICKET FENCE, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ON THE DIRECT RIGHT OF WAY OF THE SIDEWALK. UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE ITEMS I SAW MENTIONED AS TO THE DENIAL. UM, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE EXAMPLES ON MULBERRY. UM, FOR THAT, THOSE SAME CONDOS, 2 0 7 AND TWO 15, INSIDE THAT METAL FENCE, ALL OF, OR IF NOT MOST OF THEM, THAT LITTLE PATCH OF GRASS THEY HAVE INSIDE OF, UH, INSIDE OF THOSE, UH, ARE ARTIFICIAL TURF INSIDE THOSE NEWLY BUILT CONDOS. SO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY TURF, THAT'S NOT REAL GRASS. UM, AND THEN ALSO THERE IS A HOUSE, UM, ON 1 46 SHOOK, UH, WHICH I DO BELIEVE IS INSIDE THE HISTORIC AREA, UH, THAT DOES HAVE A FULL, UM, ARTIFICIAL TURF LAWN. UM, AND AGAIN, YES. OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE AT, SORRY. UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I I JUST THINK IF THE ALTERNATIVE IS MORE ZERO SCAPING TO AVOID GRASS, UM, AND ADDING MORE GRASS, WHICH CONSUMES LARGE VOLUMES OF WATER, UH, I THINK THIS WOULD LOOK BETTER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO KEEP THAT GRASS LOOK WHILE REALLY KIND OF TAKING, YOU KNOW, INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT KIND OF WATER RESTRICTIONS MIGHT CONTINUE, UM, AS TIME PROGRESSES. AND THEN, UM, I GUESS TO THE, UH, THE BACK SHED, UM, THE, WHAT I SUGGESTED WAS THE HARDY PLANK OR, OR SIMILAR BOARD, WHICH DOES HAVE THE LOOK OF A LAP SIDING, UM, THAT CAN BE HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL. UM, AS FAR AS ACTUAL LAP SIDING, UM, IT'S PRETTY COST PROHIBITIVE. UH, RUNNING ROUGHLY ABOUT 24 BUCKS, UM, FOR AN EIGHT FOOT PIECE THESE DAYS [02:00:01] THAT WOULD MAKE THAT SHED WELL OVER $10,000 IN JUST, UH, SIDING. UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY ON MY CORNER AND ON MY CORNER ALLEY BOTH HAVE SHEDS. NEITHER OF THOSE HAVE, UH, LAPS SIDING. THEY ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PLYWOOD WITH A TRIM. SO, UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE, LIKE THE CORNER HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO ME HAS A SHED, UM, ON AND ACTUALLY ON THE ALLEY TOO. UM, AND THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE JUST PLYWOOD WALLS WITH A A, WITH LIKE A TRIM KIND OF SPACED OUT, UM, EVERY FIVE TO SIX INCHES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHICH, UH, I GUESS WOULD BE A, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, COST SAVINGS THAN ACTUAL LAP SIDING, BUT NEITHER OF THOSE SHED HAVE LAPSE SIDING. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE HARDY, UH, PLANKING OR ANY, OR THAT SIMILAR TYPE OF PLANKING HAS THE GROOVE. IT DOES HAVE A FOUR INCH SMOOTH SURFACE. IT LOOKS PRETTY SIMILAR TO LAP SIDING. UM, AND IT'S JUST A, A LOT MORE, UM, AFFORDABLE. AND ALSO THE SHED WILL BE EIGHT FEET OFF OF THE, THE SIDE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE. IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM ANY STREET VIEW. UM, AS FAR AS THAT GOES. UH, AS FAR AS THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY I'M BUILDING IT MYSELF. UH, THE SHED, I DO GENERAL CONTRACTING. I DID THAT PITCH JUST BECAUSE OF THE EASE OF CONSTRUCTION. UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS, IF IF IT'S, UH, IF IT NEEDS TO BE A, UM, WHAT IS IT, HIP ROOF OR IS THAT WHAT IT IS? HIPS OR GABLE? YEAH. IF, IF THAT, IF THAT'S A REQUIREMENT, I'M, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, TO KEEP WITH HISTORICAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PRES PRESERVATION AND I DO BELIEVE, UH, THOSE ARE THE ONLY ITEMS RIGHT. THAT WERE, UH, DENY OR RECOMMENDED STAFF DENIAL. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, THE STAFF DENIALS, UH, BASED ON THEIR CLARIFICATION IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE READING THE LETTER OF THE LAW OF A, OF A HANDBOOK IT SEEMS LIKE. SO I DO ASK THAT YOU GUYS TAKE, UM, WHAT I MENTIONED IN CONSIDERATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIR, I HAVE COUPLE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. UM, FOR THE FRONT, UH, FRONT FENCE AND ALSO FOR THE LANDSCAPING, YOU'RE SIDING SOME NEWLY BUILT OR WHAT LOOKED TO BE NEWLY BUILT CONDOS. UM, ARE THOSE, UM, STAFF, WHAT IS THE DATE ON THOSE AND ARE THOSE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OFFHAND. LET ME CHECK REAL QUICK IF THEY'RE, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT EITHER. THEY'RE NOT. OKAY. YEAH, THOSE AREN'T VERY OLD. OKAY. THE CHARACTER OF THOSE ARE SO DIFFERENT THAT IT MADE ME THINK THAT THEY WERE NOT IN THE DISTRICT. BUT I DIDN'T CHECK. THE EXPLORER MAP IS THINKING VERY HARD ABOUT IT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WHAT PICTURE WERE WE LOOKING AT? WHAT'S THAT? 2 0 7 EAST MULBERRY IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION? YEAH, WELL, AND TWO 11 WEST HOLLYWOOD ACTUALLY HAS A PICKET FENCE AGAINST THE ENTIRE FRONT YARD. WEST HOLLYWOOD. OH 2 0 7 EAST MULBERRY IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. YES. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. YOU SAID IT IS. IT IS. OKAY. YEAH, I MADE SURE TO CITE ONLY AREAS INSIDE THE BOUNDARIES. OTHER QUESTIONS, JUST WANNA CONFIRM. I'M SEEING THAT NO OTHER HOUSE ON YOUR BLOCK GOING AROUND THE BLOCK HAS A FENCE. RIGHT ON MY SPECIFIC ON THAT ONE SINGLE STREET OF MULBERRY, IF YOU WALKED AROUND THE BLOCK ON YOUR STREET OF MULBERRY, WENT TO UH, AGARITA AND THEN CAME AROUND AND MADE A CIRCLE, I DON'T THINK ONE HOUSE WOULD HAVE A FENCE, CORRECT? NO, THE ONLY ONE ON MULBERRY, UM, WOULD BE AT THE CORNER OF MULBERRY AND MCCULLOUGH. UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A STONE WALL WITH A WR IRON METAL AGAINST THE SIDEWALK. UM, AND THEN MY NEIGHBOR ON THE CORNER, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A, THEY DO HAVE LIKE A PRIVACY FENCE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S CONSIDERED THEIR SIDE YARD. I THINK THEIR FRONT IS CONSIDERED, UM, TO BE MAIN. I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. YES. COMMISSIONER CRUZ AND JUST THE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, THE LETTER STATED THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IN DECEMBER. YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, UM, QUITE A FEW SCOPES OF WORK, UM, AT THE SAME TIME AND MUCH OF IT WAS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL INCLUDING SOME X ESCAPING IN THE FRONT EASEMENT. UM, I THINK, I [02:05:01] BELIEVE THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION'S CONCERN WAS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF GREENERY IN IT, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED AND AGREED TO MEETS OUR X ESCAPING POLICY GUIDELINES, UM, AND INTERPRETATIONS OF HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. MR. CHAIRMAN, CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. UH, THIS IS FOR STAFF. UH, MAYBE I MISSED IT IN THE, IN THE SPECIFICATIONS, BUT WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY, UM, FOR STIPULATING HARDY SIGHTING VERSUS SOMETHING THAT HAD, HAS THE SAME APPEARANCE, WHETHER THAT'S CEDAR OR ANOTHER TYPE OF OF WOOD. IS THERE, IS THERE AN ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENT FOR THE HARDY? THE APPLICANT REQUESTED HARDY SIDING. THE PRODUCT THAT THEY REQUESTED WAS SORT OF LIKE A PRESSED BOARD WITH FAUX LAP, UM, LIKE THE KIND OF STRIATED HARDY BOARD SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WOOD SIDING. UM, SO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED INSTEAD WAS ACTUAL LAP HARDY SIDING. UM, WE SEE THIS OFTEN WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UM, WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE AS WELL. I MEAN GENERALLY FOR NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. SO IF THIS WAS AN EXISTING HISTORIC ACCESSORY, THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE, THE SIDING MATERIAL MATCH WHAT WAS THERE. HISTORICALLY NEW NEW CONSTRUCTION CAN USE A HARDY MATERIAL AS LONG AS IT'S SPECIFIED A CERTAIN WAY TO MIMIC THE APPEARANCE OF A TRADITIONAL SIDING. OKAY. BUT WHAT WE ARE STIPULATING IS MORE COSTLY SIGNIFICANTLY, IS IT? DID I UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT? YES. UHHUH . SO ACTUAL SIDING, YOU KNOW, UH, IS CURRENTLY RUNNING ABOUT 24 BUCKS, UH, FOR A SIX SIX INCH BY EIGHT FOOT MORE OR LESS. SO YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT STRUCTURE, I MEAN IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE REALM OF 10, $15,000 IN JUST SIDING. AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE A FOUR INCH LAP SIDING ON EITHER OF THEIR BACK, YOU KNOW, BACK STORAGE SHEDS. RIGHT. LIKE I MENTIONED, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE A, UH, A PLYWOOD WITH A TRIM. SO, UM, I BELIEVE HE'S SPEAKING ABOUT THE BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING. YEAH. SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THAT IS. SORRY GUYS. BUT YEAH, SOMETHING LIKE BOARD AND BAT, I MEAN THERE'S THAT AND THEN THE, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT TO HAS SOMETHING SIMILAR. I MEAN, I COULD REPLICATE THAT LOOK MUCH, YOU KNOW, MUCH CHEAPER THAN A, UH, THAT IS THE BOARD ABANDONMENT. WE WOULD ACCEPT THAT. OKAY. IS THAT LIKE, IS THAT, IS IT THE LOOK OR HOW, I MEAN, IS IT A SPECIFIC THING THAT'S PURCHASED LIKE THAT? I MEAN, IS THAT, WHAT IF I'M CORRECT? IT'S JUST LIKE PLYWOOD AND THEN LIKE TRIM BASICALLY PIECES. I THINK IT'S, IT'S TYPICALLY FUR SHEETS WITH TRIM, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A MODERN FUR SHEET, MORE ACCESSIBLE EQUIVALENT. I THOUGHT YOU WEREN'T IN CONSTRUCTION BOARD BAND'S VERY COMMON. UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NEW TO GENERAL CONTRACTING, SO OKAY. YEAH. SO NOT NECESSARILY CONSTRUCTION. MORE MIDDLE MANNING . SO, OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO QUESTION. UH, QUICK QUESTION. UM, FOR STAFF OR APPLICANT, I SEE THE DRIVEWAY, THE NEW DRIVEWAY REQUESTED IS COMING UP TO THE FACADE, FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE. AM I ASSUMING THAT IT WILL GO BEYOND OR THERE'S A PARKING PAD BEYOND SO THAT PARKING IS NOT IN THE FRONT YARD, THAT PARKING IS ACTUALLY IN THE BACK? NO, THAT SIDE IS ALREADY, IS CURRENTLY GRAVEL. UM, THAT WOULD STAY GRAVEL. SO CAN, SO IT WOULD END AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO YOU'RE PROPOSING PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD? UH, CORRECT. YES. SO EVERY UM, OTHER NEIGHBOR ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET HAS THAT IDENTICAL TYPE OF DRIVE, UM, THAT, THAT COMES UP TO THE HOUSE. THEY DON'T ACTUALLY PULL THEIR CARS PAST THE HOUSE. MY DIRECT NEIGHBOR LEFT. IS THAT WHAT YOURE CAN, YEAH. CAN THEY PULL CARS THROUGH THE LOOK? UM, I BELIEVE THAT I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF, YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. I'LL, I'LL CHECK IT OUT ALSO. THANK YOU. YEAH. COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT THE, THE SCALE OF THE SHED AND WHAT ARE, WHERE OUR ROOT, WHERE ARE, WHAT GUIDELINES TREAT SHEDS DIFFERENTLY THAN ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. I'M NOTICING THAT THIS IS PROBABLY OVER 250 SQUARE FEET IN THE SCALE OF A SINGLE CAR GARAGE. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY, WHY MAYBE IT'S NOT BEING TREATED LIKE A FULL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND MORE LIKE A SHED. IS THERE SOME DISTINCTION HERE THAT I'M NOT GETTING PART, PART OF THE REASON THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR A PITCHED ROOF WAS BECAUSE WE ARE TREATING IT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND NOT JUST A, EVEN IF IT WERE JUST A SHED, IT'S THE TREATED THE SAME WAY. SO, AND THIS IS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE WITH A SLAB AND, UM, I WAS GOING TO, I WAS GONNA USE PURE AND BEAM STYLE, YOU KNOW IT AND IT'S 10, YEAH, 10 BY 24. I MEAN, I CAN MAKE IT SMALLER. I JUST, I HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT I DON'T WANT IN STORAGE. SO, UM, BUT IF IT MAKES IT EASIER, WELL, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE, WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING AT THIS SCALE, AND THIS IS OF LARGE SCALE, IT'S [02:10:01] PERMANENT CONSTRUCTION THAT, I MEAN, IT USUALLY, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO HOLD TO THE CHARACTER OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, MATERIAL MATERIALITY AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO THAT WOULD BE A HIP ROOF AND THE SIDING THAT'S RECOMMENDED. AND FENESTRATION BECOMES IMPORTANT TOO. SO I'M NOT REALLY SEEING WINDOWS. I'M SEEING A LONG 25 FOOT WALL. SO I, I DON'T, I, I GUESS I WOULD SEE AN ADDITIONAL NEED, UH, TO STUDY THAT AS A, AS A STRUCTURE THAT SCALE. NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A 10 BY 10 OR A 10 BY 15 PURE AND BEAM SHED, YOU KNOW, LIKE PLYWOOD FLOOR SHED, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO WITH THIS. YEAH. WELL, THIS IS NOT THAT SCALE. THIS IS, THIS IS BIG. THIS IS 250 SQUARE FEET, NOT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. AND IF YOU'RE DOING THIS PURE AND BEAM, HOW FAR OFF THE GROUND IS THAT FLOOR GONNA BE? WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE PLATE? WHAT ARE THE HEIGHT OF THE DOORS? LIKE, THERE'S SOME DETAILS HERE THAT I THINK BECOME REALLY IMPORTANT. THIS IS KIND OF A LEGITIMATE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO IF IT'S, IF YOU'RE SAYING I HAVE A NINE, A NINE FOOT, IS THAT FROM THE GROUND TO THE PLATE? IS THAT FROM THE FLOOR TO THE PLATE? HOW FAR OFF THE GROUND IS THIS GOING TO BE? IF IT'S PURE AND BEAM IN A DECK, YOU'RE PROBABLY RUNNING OVER TWO BY TWELVES AND YOU NEED AT LEAST A FOOT DISTANCE OR TWO FEET OFF THE GROUND. I NEED, I NEED TO SEE MORE HERE TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SO SHOULD I, I MEAN, IF I, IF I TOOK THIS DOWN 'CAUSE IT IS A SHED, LIKE THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF IT. IF I TOOK IT DOWN TO A 10 BY 15, WOULD THAT ALLEVIATE THAT? I MEAN, IT, IT MAY PERSONALLY, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES HERE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS RAISED AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS RAISED, AND DESIGNING BY COMMITTEE ON THE FLY IS NOT WHAT WE LIKE TO DO HERE. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS GOING TO A D R C WHERE WE CAN HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION. I, I THINK PARTICULARLY WITH THE BACKYARD ELEMENTS, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 'CAUSE THE DRAWINGS ARE SHOWING A TRANSFORMATION, THE LANDSCAPE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED ABOUT AND SOME OF THE SCALE OF THESE PIECES. YEAH, AND I MEAN, CURRENTLY THE FRONT AND THE BACKYARD ARE COMPLETELY DIRT. I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKE, I GET THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS LIKE IN THE, THE GREEN SPACE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THE CONDITION OF THE YARD, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND AS FAR AS THAT SHED, I MEAN, IF, IF IT, I DON'T KNOW THE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THE STIPULATIONS ON IT BEING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I DO PLAN TO USE IT JUST FOR A STORAGE SHED. IF I, IF IF IT MAKES IT EASIER, I'LL SHRINK IT, RESUBMIT IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WAY I CAN, YOU KNOW, AVOID SOME OF THE COMPLICATIONS. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I CAN MAKE MR. CHAIR, I MOVE, I MOVE THAT THIS BE REFERRED TO A D R C. YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING. YES MA'AM. AND I THINK STAFF HAS TO REALLY BE CLEAR ON THIS ONE. I THINK COMMISSIONER FISH HAS A RIGHT. UM, IF WE WERE TREATING THIS AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THEN FENESTRATIONS AND DOORS AND MATERIALS AND ALL THAT COME INTO PLAY. SO, UM, I THINK WE GOTTA REALLY PAY ATTENTION OF HOW WE WERE TREATING THIS. I WAS CONSIDERING IT A SHED. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ARE, WE CAN CONTINUE CONSIDERING A SHED. I THINK THIS IS WHERE, WHERE WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS. UM, BUT I AGREE WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SHORTEN IT. AND THEN, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY SURE THIS, UH, COMMITTEE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE TURF. THE ARTIFICIAL TURF. SO, UM, ON GOOGLE MAPS, THERE'S A PICTURE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU TOOK OVER THIS HOUSE, BUT THERE'S ALL OF 2022, SINCE MARCH 20, 21, 19, THAT HOUSE HAS HAD GRASS. IT DOESN'T SEEM A PROBLEM FOR YOU TO GROW GRASS THERE. SO, WELL THAT, YEAH, THAT WAS ALL WEEDS AND STUFF. IT, SO, I MEAN IT LOOKED GREEN ON THE PICTURES AND, AND THIS IS A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN EFFORT. I THINK YOU APPRECIATE THAT. I ALSO AGREE WITH STAFF ON THE FENCE. IT'S NOT COMMON IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, NOT COMMON ON THE BLOCK. YOU MAY FIND ONE EXAMPLE. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. MAYBE IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COMMONLY SEE. SO I THINK, UM, STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THE OTHER POINTS, JUST SO WHEN WE GO TO D R C, YOU MIGHT WANNA PREPARED FOR THAT. OKAY. KEEP IN MIND, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE IN THE BACK, IN THE BACK THERE, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO START TAKING A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT MATCHES THE HOUSE, RIGHT? THAT COMPLIMENTS THE HOUSE DOESN'T STAND OUT. SO WHEN YOU COME TO THE D R C, KIND OF COME WITH SOME IDEAS, COLOR PALETTES, THAT SORT OF THING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU GOTTA PUT YOUR DESIGN HAT ON. OKAY. NOT IF IT'S A SHED, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF IT'S, YEAH. AND WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO GET THAT CLASSIFIED AS A SHED AND NOT AN ACCESSORY? SHE, YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY'LL, THEY'VE GOT, OKAY, SO WORK ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEN BASICALLY, SO TURFS KIND OF OFF THE TABLE. I MEAN, YOU THINK IT WOULD BE MR. MR. CHAIRMAN IF I JUST MAKE COMMENT ON ITEMS ONE AND TWO. I, I THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION OF 10 OUT OF 10 TIMES WOULD AGREE WITH STAFF IN THIS SITUATION. THE COMMISSION DOES NOT, I CAN'T RECALL A CASE [02:15:01] WHERE WE'VE SUPPORTED AN INTRODUCTION TO A FRONT YARD FENCE ON A BLOCK THAT DOESN'T HISTORICALLY HAVE IT. OKAY. AND THAT'S CLEARLY THE CASE HERE. UH, THE GUIDELINES REALLY DO NOT PERMIT US TO CONSIDER TURF. UM, SO I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES, IF YOU WANNA PURSUE THEM, YOU HAVE TO PURSUE THEM WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. OKAY. THAT'LL BE THE RIGHT VENUE. GOTCHA. OKAY. FOR THAT. I GOTCHA. AND THEN THERE, IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH THE, THE DRIVE ELEMENT? WELL, THERE'S SEVERAL ELEMENTS HERE. WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO SEND THIS TO A D R C WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THE ITEMS. UH, I THINK CONCEPTUALLY A RIBBON DRIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES SENSE, SO, OKAY. I CAN'T FORESEE AN ISSUE THERE, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THAT HAVE COME UP ABOUT, UH, PARKING, UH, IS AVAILABLE IN THE BACK. OKAY. AND SO, UM, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE D R C AS WELL. OKAY. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. SABINA? AYE. MAZUA? AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES. BAKER? AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 16. ITEM 16, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 73 37 MADISON STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN EXTERIOR ELEVATOR. STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN EXTERIOR ELEVATOR BASED ON FINDING F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS THAT DO NOT INCLUDE INTRODUCING NEW FENESTRATION TO THE SO STONE STRUCTURE. I'M SO SORRY. UM, APPLICANT NATE MANFRED IS HERE IN PERSON. THERE'S ONE LETTER ON FILE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL AFTER THE APPLICANT PRESENTATION. ALL RIGHT. OH, YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? OH, HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HERE TO REPRESENT, UH, 3 37 MADISON. I'M NATE MANFRED WITH FRENCH AND MICHIGAN. UM, WE ARE HERE TO REQUEST A FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, ELEVATOR TOWER ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. UM, THE CLIENT HAD PREVIOUSLY COME FORWARD TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT AND HAD GAINED, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM THE H D R C. SO WE'RE HERE TO ADDRESS THE STIPULATIONS FOR, TO OBTAIN FINAL APPROVAL. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, UH, LAST EVENING THAT CLIENT PRESENTED A LETTER THAT I, UH, FORWARDED TO JESSICA THIS MORNING THAT CLARIFIED THAT MATERIAL THAT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE EXTERIOR WALLS WILL BE RES, WILL BE STORED AND PROTECTED ON SITE BEHIND THEIR EXISTING GARAGE STRUCTURE. AND THE OTHER STIPULATION ISSUE WAS ABOUT ENGINEERING FOR THE OPENINGS, UM, SO THAT THINGS COULD BE RECONSTITUTED IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD ANOTHER, THIS OWNER, ANOTHER OWNER CHOOSE TO DO SO. AND I WILL SAY WE ARE IN FULL AGREEMENT TO PROCEED WITH THAT, BUT THE OWNER HAS NOT QUITE, UM, ENGAGED AN ENGINEER. WE HAVE ONE READY TO BE ENGAGED, PARTIALLY BECAUSE IT'S THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG THING. DON'T WANT TO DO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES UNTIL WE KNOW WE HAVE FINAL APPROVAL. BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE DETAILS IF WE NEED TO PUT THAT AS A STIPULATION FOR STAFF FOR REVIEW. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO DISCUSS. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. MY NAME IS LISA LIND, CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 3 3 7 MADISON STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 DASH 5 7 0. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT AND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED AND ALLOW THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION INSTALLATION IN AUGUST, 2022. THIS PROJECT WAS GIVEN CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BY THE H D O C AND THE APPLICANT. APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO SALVAGE AND STORE STONE AND BRICK MATERIALS REMOVED FROM THE PROPOSED OPENINGS. LIKEWISE, THE APPLICANT IS COMMITTED TO HAVING REINFORCEMENT FOR THE NEW OPENINGS ENGINEERED TO ALLOW FOR REMOVAL IN FUTURE IN CASE THE ELEVATOR IS REMOVED SO THAT THE OPENINGS CAN BE INFILLED WITH THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS BY MASON SKILLED AND HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THANK YOU. OKAY, FROM THE COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER FISH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. DO YOU HAVE THE, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LANGUAGE HANDY? IF YOU COULD PUT TWO SECONDS AND I'LL FIND IT. I I DON'T, UNLESS IT'S IN THE, IN THE CASE FILES. I'M [02:20:01] NOT SEEING ANY REFERENCE TO THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IN THE CASE FILES. IF YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. FINDING B? YES. FINDING B HAS A SUMMARY OF THE CASE HISTORY. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A COMMENTS, BUT I'LL BE READY FOR MOTION. I REMEMBER THIS CASE CLEARLY. WE, I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS, DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ANSWERING ALL OUR QUESTIONS AND ALL OUR CONCERNS. AND I THINK I'LL STILL STAND BY THAT, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE SET BACK. THEN I MOVE THAT THE, UH, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS PRESENTED. NO, WELL, I MEAN THIS, THIS IS THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION. OH, I I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING, I'M SORRY. WELL, THE, MY APOLOGIES, THE FINDINGS AND B, THE CASE HISTORY AND WHAT THE APPLICANT JUST AGREED TO, UM, IS NOT KIND OF FULLY ENUMERATED THERE. OTHER THAN THAT THERE WAS SALVAGE, UM, SALVAGE OF THE MATERIAL ON, ON SITE. OH, I GUESS I, WE CAN JUST READ THAT ACTUALLY INTO THE RECORD. SO I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE GOT IT HERE. THE, THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL LANGUAGE INCLUDED TWO STIPULATIONS. THE FIRST IS THAT THE APPLICANT SALVAGE ANY BRICK AND STONE REMOVED FOR THE PROJECT AND STORE IT ON SITE. THE SECOND IS THAT ANY REINFORCEMENT BE ENGINEERED TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE REMOVAL AND INFILL WITH ORIGINAL MATERIALS. YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT, RIGHT, SIR? SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH THOSE TWO STIPULATIONS, CORRECT? SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION, UH, MR. CHAIR? YES. I JUST WANTED TO ADD, NOT TO BE ADDED IN THE STIPULATION OR THE MOTION, BUT JUST THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT THE OWNERS STORE THAT MATERIAL, THE STONE AND THE BRICK, UM, IN THE PROPER WAY YES. OFF THE GROUND. WATERPROOF PROTECTED. YES. YEAH, CORRECT. AND, UM, THAT'S MY PRIORITY, THAT THE HISTORIC MATERIAL IS REALLY PROTECTED. NOT JUST STORED, BUT ACTUALLY PROTECTED. YEAH, FOR SURE. THANK YOU. THE OWNER IS VERY PROUD OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY'RE IN AND YOU KNOW, THE 12 INCH STONEWALLS BELOW AND, YOU KNOW, EIGHT INCH ABOVE. SO EVERYONE'S VERY WELL AWARE OF THE VALUE OF THAT, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. BISH. AYE. S AYE. MASUKA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND PET? AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 17. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 27 1 0 8 SHRINER PLACE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT. STAFFER RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS D N E WITH THE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CARPORT WITH A ROOF FORM SUBORDINATE TO THAT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY ONE THAT IS SHORTER THAN THE PRIMARY ROOF. UH, THERE'S ONE LETTER ON FILE AND APPLICANT EUGENE, UH, REYES IS HERE IN PERSON. DO I HAVE TO PUSH UP THERE? NO, YOU SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM. MY NAME IS EUGENE REYES AND I'M HERE ON BAT ON BEHALF OF, UH, UM, 1 0 8 SHRINER PLACE. UM, THE REASON FOR THE ROOF BEING ABOVE, UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WAS, UH, FOR PROPER AIR FLOW TO, UH, BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT BRICK WALL FENCE IS, IT IS SEVEN FOOT, TWO INCHES. IT'S PRETTY TALL AND THERE'S A LOT OF HUMIDITY THAT SITS IN THERE. SO IF WE WERE TO PUT THAT CARPORT LOWER, IT WOULD RESTRICT THE AIRFLOW THROUGH THERE AS WELL AS GOING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE THAT, THAT, UM, AIRFLOW FROM, UM, THE HOMEOWNER WOULD BE PARKING HIS DIESEL VEHICLE IN THE BACK. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ENTRANCE TO HIS, UH, BEDROOM RIGHT THERE TO THE MASTER BEDROOM. SO HE'S GOING TO BE USING THAT. SO ALSO IS THE EXHAUST, UM, AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT FAR CORNER THERE THAT THERE IS THAT, UM, MINI SPLIT CONDENSER THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE, UH, PROPERLY VENTILATED. [02:25:04] DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT. JUST THE LETTER. THANK YOU. A ALSO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A ONE MORE. I'M SORRY. UM, UH, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS ON THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY IN ADDITION AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE THIS IS AN O'NEILL FOR, THIS IS AN O'NEILL FORD HOUSE. UM, AND ALL THE BLUEPRINTS, UM, THE HOMEOWNER DOES HAVE TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ACTUALLY ELEVATED THERE. AND FROM THE BACK OF IT, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE, UM, I THINK I TOOK SOME PICTURES OF THE BACKYARD, YOU COULD SEE THE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS AS WELL. UM, THAT, UH, FACING THE BACKYARD ON AROUND THE HOUSE, IT, IT DOES THAT. IT IT'S GOT DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, BUT LIKE, AGAIN, IT'S THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE, THE CARPORT IS FOR PROPER VENTILATION BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES AND THE TALL FENCE. MR. CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. YES, MR. I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SURE. UM, I, I GUESS THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE MIGHT BE LONG, BUT I'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. UM, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT, THAT THIS IS RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED. I NOTICED IT'S GOING RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THE, THE, THE BRICK WALL THERE IS, UH, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SETBACK FROM THIS STRUCTURE. IT'S GOING RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE WITH ZERO SETBACK FROM THE EDGE. UM, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, THERE WAS NO, THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY TO, UH, STRUCTURALLY SET THAT BACK AWAY WITHOUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY A CARPORT OR COVERING IN THIS LOCATION. IS THAT CORRECT? NO. NO, THERE WASN'T. NO, THERE WASN'T THERE. AND MY, MY CONCERN IS SHARE SOME OF THE CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND THE STAFF. THE HEIGHT HAS TO BE SUBORDINATE. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A, AN O'NEILL FORD AND THERE'S A RELATIVELY LOW ROOF PLATE THERE, AND GETTING IT UNDER THE EVE AND KEEPING IT IN A USABLE CONFIGURATION IS DIFFICULT. BUT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THIS SQUEEZED IN IS VERY, VERY TIGHT. AND I THINK THERE'S MORE, MORE THAN THE ISSUE OF HEIGHT AND MATERIAL HERE. SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT I'LL, I'LL ALLOW MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO, UH, ASK QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GR I HAVE A QUESTION. IF YOU WERE MAKING IT, UH, LOWER, YOU WOULD ALSO PROBABLY MAKE IT NARROWER BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED THAT MUCH OF COVER, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE LOWER YOU GO, THE NARROWER, YOU CAN MAYBE GO WITH THE SIZE OF THE PAVERS AND THAT WOULD CREATE THAT VENTILATION ON THE SIDE. I KNOW, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S RECONSTRUCTION, BUT I'M ALSO, I THINK STAFF HAS A RIGHT AND I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH HAS A RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT. SO I MEAN, LIKE, I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE LOWER, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY OF MAKING IT MAYBE NARROW AND THAT WAY YOU GET THE VENTILATION PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE. UM, YEAH, THERE'S, I'M, I'M SURE THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DOORS START, UM, THAT WOULD ALSO COME INTO A PROBLEM. NOW WHEN YOU'RE CRUSHING THAT, UH, THAT CARPORT, THEN YOU'VE ALSO, NOW YOU'RE LIMITED ON, ON REALLY ON THAT SPACE, ON THAT, ON THAT BRICK WALL. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THAT BRICK WALL, I MEAN, IT'S TALL, IT DOESN'T, THE, THE PICTURES DON'T DO NO JUSTICE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE THERE, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, WE, WE DID THINK OF THAT AND THE REASON WHY WE OVERSET IT OVER A LITTLE BIT OVER THE ROOF WAS SO THAT IT COULD KIND OF FLOW WITH THE REST OF THE, THE THING, BUT NOT TO BE ABOVE WHERE IT'S JUST OUT OF PLACE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE HOMEOWNER DID BUY THAT HOUSE SPECIFICALLY, UH, FOR THE DESIGN. AND SO THAT PICTURE, WHEN YOU, AND ALSO THERE IS ALSO TRIM AND UM, UM, UH, GUTTERS THAT GO AROUND IT FOR, TO ALLOW FOR THE, UH, WATER TO BE DRAINED OUT. AND IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE MATCHING ONCE IT'S THE, THE, THE TRIM HAD ALREADY BEEN BOUGHT AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN PAINTED. SO IT, WE WERE JUST WAITING FOR HIM TO, TO SEE WHAT WE NEEDED TO, UH, TO COME TO, UM, TERMS OR, WELL, IT'S A INTERESTING DILEMMA TRYING TO GET A COVERED CARPORT OVER A PARKING AREA THAT APPARENTLY EXISTED. IS THAT TRUE? YES, SIR. YEAH. 'CAUSE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AND A, A GATE. YES. AND A GATE. SO, UM, BUT IT IS NOT SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED, YOU'D HAVE TO GO FOR A VARIANCE, UH, TO GET, UH, TO BUILD WITHIN THE, UH, SETBACK LIMITS OF THE [02:30:01] PROPERTY. UM, SO ONE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE A SITE VISIT SITE, D R C, SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE CONDITIONS OF THE, THE SEVEN FOOT STONE, UH, BRICK WALL, THE, THE, UH, THE OTHER ROOF FORMS OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE. UH, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, POSSIBLY LOOK AT HAVING A, UH, A SHED ROOF ON THAT CARPORT WITH A, UH, MORE OF A CLEAR STORY, A VERTICAL AREA THAT WOULD VENT SO THAT YOU COULD LOWER THE WHOLE, UH, ROOF, UH, THE WHOLE ADDITION. SO, UH, ONE SUGGESTION MIGHT BE TO SEND THIS TO A SITE VISIT, UH, WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. OKAY. UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. THE APPLICANT, UM, WERE YOU THE, UH, CONTRACTOR? NO. YOU'RE THE HOMEOWNER? NO, NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THE HOMEOWNER. I'M, UH, I AM THE GENERAL CONSTRUCTION RANCH MANAGER. OKAY. SO WE, WE, WE DO RANCHES, WE HAVE RANCHES OUT THERE, SO WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE BUILD 'EM ALL THE TIME. WE DO. SO WE JUST KIND OF, WE ALWAYS TRY TO THINK OF THOSE THINGS AND THINK OF, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY THINK OF WHEN WE DO 'EM OUT THE RANCH. OKAY. WAS THE DECISION, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHO MADE THE DECISION TO PUT THIS HERE AND BUILD IT IN THIS PARTICULAR WAY? WAS THAT YOUR DIRECTION OR YOU HAVE UM, IT WAS, IT WAS BOTH ME AND THE HOMEOWNER'S DIRECTION. I MEAN, WE JUST BOTH KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT. WE WENT OVER IT, WE LOOKED AT IT, WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE, BUT BECAUSE MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THE, UM, THE VIOLATIONS ARE, AND THE PROBLEMS LIKE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED ARE SO SIGNIFICANT. I AM NOT SURE THAT CUTTING HERE, DROPPING THERE, ADDING BRICKS HERE AND THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR MATERIALITY WOULD NECESSARILY SOLVE THAT. I WOULD JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DESIGNER HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO, UM, COULD DESIGN THIS CORRECTLY, TAKE, YOU KNOW, TAKE A ROLE AND THEN YOU BRING IT BACK, YOU BRING THE PROJECT BACK. BECAUSE AS I SEE IT, I THINK, UM, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT MINOR ADJUSTMENTS, LET'S SAY. YES. COMMISSIONER, WAS THERE A MOTION OR NOT? OH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF. UM, I'M LOOKING HERE AND AM I MISSING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT MENTIONS THAT, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT, UM, BASED ON FINDINGS. D N E I DON'T SEE AN E HERE. I JUST SEE, YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE ANY EITHER. I A DON'T KNOW WHAT D SO WHAT, WHAT ARE WE MISSING HERE? IT MEANT C AND D. IT'S JUST A TYPO. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. JUST C AND D. OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. I'LL A MOTION GROUP IF MOTION TO D R C I THINK, UH, MR. CHAIR THE THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. SITE. YEAH. SITE VISIT. A GREAT SUGGESTION. SECOND. YOU HAVE A MOTION? A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. MASUKA. AYE. GRO AYE. ANTE? YES, BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. AND YOU SAID THAT THE OWNERS HAVE THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS? YES, THEY DO. DO THEY SHOW THE ORIGINAL GATE? UM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. 'CAUSE THAT MAY BE ONE THING TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE THERE, IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE THE GATE INSTEAD OF SOLID, HAVE IT PERFORATED IN SOME WAY OR, OR GRILL OR SOMETHING. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR, UH, AIR CIRCULATION THROUGH THAT AREA. OKAY. BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING ON THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS, IT'D BE, UH, WE'D WANT TO SEE, SEE THAT? I BELIEVE THERE WAS LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT ARCHITECTS THAT HAD A HAND IN THAT. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL UPDATED DRAWINGS AND THEN THEY HAVE, BUT HE'S GOT ALL THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA PUT, YOU KNOW, PUT 'EM ON THE WALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. TOMORROW. THAT IS THE LAST AGENDA ITEMS. UM, BUT THEY'RE MOVE TO ADJOURN. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE. WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.