[00:00:07]
UM, WELCOME AND QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THOSE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UM, YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ATTENDEE LIST, UM, SO WE CAN'T SEE OR HEAR FROM YOU UNTIL YOUR CASE IS CALLED.
UM, WHEN YOUR CASE COMES UP AND YOU'LL SEE, UM, WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I WILL CLICK ON YOUR NAME AND MAKE YOU A PANELIST.
UM, AT THAT TIME, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT JUST SIT TIGHT UNTIL WE START THE MEETING.
UM, MY MIC IS A LITTLE LOW IN THE ROOM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED IN THE BACK.
[3:00 P.M. – Call to Order]
I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 18TH, 2023.MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS FISH SAVINO.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR THE MEETING.
IF WE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS, UH, PROVIDE THE, THE ANNOUNCEMENT.
MY NAME IS GABRIELA TOLENTINO, SPANISH INTERPRETER WHEN I THANK YOU.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD
[00:05:01]
APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH.
FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY.
APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY.
WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING.
UM, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS OF UPCOMING EVENTS.
UM, THE FIRST IS THAT THE PUBLIC AND YOU ALL AS COMMISSIONERS, ARE INVITED TO ATTEND A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON FEBRUARY 4TH AT THE CARVER LIBRARY AS PART OF OUR ONGOING AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CONTEXT STATEMENT AND PRESERVATION INITIATIVE.
UM, THE EVENT ON THE FOURTH WILL FOCUS ON BLACK IDENTITY AND DOCUMENTATION.
COUNCILMAN MCKEE RODRIGUEZ WILL PROVIDE A WELCOME, UH, REMARKS, UM, DOCTORS AMY PORTER, CHARLES GENTRY, AND PAMELA WALKER, WHILE ALSO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON TERMS USED FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN IDENTITY OVER SAN ANTONIO'S 300 YEARS OF RECORDED HISTORY.
UM, THE COMMUNITY WILL BE INVITED TO PROVIDE THEIR PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES AS WELL.
UM, THE EVENT WILL BE TRANSCRIBED AND INCLUDED IN THE CONTACT STATEMENT THAT IS, UM, DUE FOR COMPLETION AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO, UM, CONTINUE THIS ONGOING INITIATIVE.
UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT ON, UM, SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH, WE HAVE OUR HISTORIC HOMEOWNER FAIR.
UM, IT'S OUR 14TH ANNUAL EVENT AND MAYBE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST, WE HAVE SOMEWHERE AROUND 50 EXHIBITORS THAT ARE, UM, ENLISTED TO ATTEND THE FAIR IN OUR EXHIBITION HALL.
UM, THE FAIR WILL BE LOCATED AT TRIPOD EVENT CENTER, 32 33 NORTH ST.
UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT TO ATTEND.
UM, JUST AN INTEREST IN, UH, PRESERVATION IN SAN ANTONIO.
OR IF YOU HAVE AN OLD HOUSE THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING AND ARE SEEKING RESOURCES, THIS IS A GREAT FREE EVENT FOR YOU TO ATTEND.
UM, AND THEN O H P STAFF WILL BE HOSTING A NUMBER OF EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS THROUGHOUT THE DAY AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT EVENT IS AGAIN, FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 11TH, SATURDAY, UM, 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM AT TRIPOINT EVENT CENTER.
[Approval of Minutes]
I THINK BEFORE WE GET INTO CONSENT AGENDA, WE JUST HAVE THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM DECEMBER.DO WE HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP? SORRY.
MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 21ST MEETING.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
SO YOU'LL SEE NOW ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE 13 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IN-PERSON SPEAKERS FOR ITEMS, SO WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS RECEIVED IN ADVANCE FOR THOSE ITEMS STARTING WITH ITEM TWO.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
I LIVE AT 4 32 KING WILLIAMS STREET, AND I'M CALLING REGARDING ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 0 1 AT 4 0 1 KING WILLIAMS STREET.
KING WILLIAMS STREET IS RESIDENTIAL.
WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENCE OF VILLA FINALE AS A PRESERVED HOME AND A PART OF THE NATIONAL TRUST FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
HOWEVER, WE OPPOSE THE PROPOSED EDITION OF AN EXHIBITION HALL THAT INCREASES THE CAPACITY OF THIS RESIDENTIAL LOT.
[00:10:01]
THE NEW STRUCTURE REMOVES AN EXISTING PARKING AREA AND DISRUPTS THE TYPICAL SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP OF THE STRUCTURES TO THE LOT.THE HOMES ALL AROUND 4 0 1 KING WILLIAM, INCLUDING MINE, ARE RESIDENTIAL OCCUPIED BY HOMEOWNERS, MOSTLY WITH ADDITIONAL SINGLE CARRIAGE HEALTH STRUCTURES.
THERE'S NO REASON TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE TO THIS PROPERTY.
ADDING AN EXHIBITION SPACE ALSO INCREASES THE LOAD ON THE PROPERTY RAISING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE ON THE GROUNDS AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH WILL HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC SETTING AROUND IT.
REGULAR EVENTS WILL RESULT IN INCREASED TRAFFIC, PARKING, AND NOISE THAT WILL BURDEN THE STREETS, HOMES, AND RESIDENTS NEARBY.
WHILE IT ISN'T WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO REGULATE, USE THE NEW STRUCTURE AMOUNTS TO ADDING A PARTY ROOM TO THE FOOTPRINT OF A RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT IS A MUSEUM ZONED R FOUR SS AND WHICH ADVERTISES ITSELF AS A VENUE FOR SALE FOR WEDDINGS WITH NO OTHER PURPOSE THAN TO ERODE THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR TIME.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE'S ALSO A LETTER FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT IN YOUR PACKETS.
UH, NEXT WILL BE ITEM 4 16 0 2 NORTH MAINE.
I RESIDE AT 4 0 5 EAST MYRTLE STREET IN TOBAN HILL.
MY COMMENT CONCERNS ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, IT'S C R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 92.
THIS HISTORIC GAS GULF GAS STATION FIRST APPEARING IN THE 1952 CITY DIRECTORY HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN MODIFIED BEYOND RECOGNITION.
THEREFORE, THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO THE REQUESTED NEW MODIFICATIONS.
IN FACT, WE APPLAUD THE OWNER FOR TAKING ON A PROJECT TO REPAIR AND REUSE ONE OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
MY NAME IS LISA LIND AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING 1 0 3 1 3 0 AND 1 3 4 WIX STREET.
CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 1 3.
DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE PROJECT DESIGN AND GENERALLY CONCURS WITH THE O H P STAFF CITING OF RELEVANT HISTORIC GUIDELINES, FINDINGS, AND THE STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL.
WE DO, HOWEVER, TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE PROPOSED INAPPROPRIATE ALUMINUM COMMERCIAL TYPE STOREFRONT WINDOW WALL SYSTEM PROPOSED FOR THE NEW HALLWAY REFERRED TO PAGES 12 AND 13 OF THE P D F.
WE RECOMMEND THAT A WOOD OR WOOD CLAD WINDOW SYSTEM BE INSTALLED IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDELINES AND APPROPRIATE FOR THESE TWO CIRCA 1904 FOLK VICTORIAN STRUCTURES.
SINCERELY, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
PLEASE NOTE THERE'S ALSO A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION IN YOUR PACKETS FOR 1 31 34 WIX.
NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR 2 35 FUR.
THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C CASE 2 0 2 3 DASH ZERO FOUR.
THE ADDRESS IS 2 35 FUR DRIVE.
I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE THE OWNER OF 2 35 FUR DRIVE.
ROD LEE GROUP L L C SEEKING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 3 5 FUR DRIVE AND INVEST IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE NOTE THE WORK SUBMITTED FOR THIS H D R C APPLICATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR PROPER BUILDING PERMITS BEING OBTAINED FROM THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
WE EXPRESS CONCERN FOR UNPERMITTED WORK BEING COMPLETED, POTENTIALLY INFLICTING LIFE SAFETY CONCERNS ON FUTURE OCCUPANTS RESIDING IN THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO PROPER PERMITS BEING PULLED AND INSPECTION TO ENSURE THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE IS ADHERED TO.
FOR THIS MORE THAN 50% IMPROVEMENT TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
THOSE ARE ALL OF OUR VOICEMAILS COMMISSIONERS.
PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION FOR ITEM 8 3 11 EAGLE LAND AND ITEM 9 4 27 MISSION.
[00:15:01]
IN YOUR PACKETS, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D LIKE TO PULL CASE NUMBER 10, ROVE RIO AND COMMERCE STREET.IF THERE ARE NO OTHERS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE AND 11 THROUGH 13 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? RIGHT, THAT'S ME.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 9 38 DAWSON, 4 0 1 KING WILLIAM 3 28 EAST SATCH, 1602 NORTH MAINE, 1 0 9 WEST MULBERRY ONE 30 AND 1 34 WS 8 23 DAKOTA THREE 11 EAGLE LAND 4 27 MISSION 1602 NORTH FLORES, 2 35 F AND 5 26 EAST COURTLAND.
YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO SAVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ]
SO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.OKAY, SO I HAVE BIANCA AVAREZ WITH THE ARTS DEPARTMENT HERE.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONER MAZUA? NO QUESTIONS.
UH, I AM CERTAINLY GONNA VOTE FOR THIS.
I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR MONTHS, HALF A YEAR OR MORE AT LEAST.
AND TO DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD DELAY IT WOULD DELAY IT FOR ANOTHER HALF YEAR.
AND THERE'S A WHOLE PROJECT GOING WITH IT.
BUT IT'S MY WISH THAT THE, UH, PUBLIC ART DEPARTMENT WOULD SPEND MORE TIME, UH, GETTING PUBLIC INPUT AS TO, AND, AND MY REASON FOR, FOR SPEAKING AGAINST THIS IS NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE ART, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE THE ARTIST, BUT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S INAPPROPRIATE FOR ITS LOCATION.
AND I JUST THINK THAT IT SHOULD MORE TIME SHOULD BE SPENT ADDRESSING THOSE KIND OF ISSUES, UH, IN FOR THE ART DEPARTMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
I REMEMBER SEEING THIS, I MEAN, SOME MONTHS AGO.
UM, MRS. ALVAREZ, WOULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES SINCE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED IT? I, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL, BUT I THINK THERE WAS SOME STIPULATIONS.
UM, WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE LAST TIME WE REVIEWED THIS CASE? RIGHT.
WE HAVE CRYSTAL JONES HERE, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AS WELL, SO I'M PASS THAT ON TO HER.
I'M HERE IN, IN THE ROOM WITH THE TEAM.
SO, UM, THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE HERE HAS MORE BACKGROUND ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT RESULTS PROVIDED.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW WE WILL, AS THE DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE BE SHARING INFORMATION ABOUT OUR FUTURE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS, UM, UH, BODY SO THAT YOU CAN KNOW WHEN WE HAVE THIS AND WHEN WE CAN, UH, HELP SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT, UH, THE PROJECT HAS NOT CHANGED.
IT WAS, UH, ACCEPTED CONCEPTUALLY, BUT WE HAVE PROVIDED MORE BACKGROUND, UH, TO THE, UM, THIS BODY'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THESE PROJECTS COME TO FRUITION AND OUR PROCESS, AS YOU'LL SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN.
UH, SO THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, NOTHING HAS CHANGED EXCEPT FOR ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT AND HOW IT CAME TO BE.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED AND I KNOW THAT WE'LL GET INTO DIALOGUE AFTER THAT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
[00:20:01]
COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR.I, I, UM, UM, JUST, JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THE, ON THE, UM, THE, THE ART THAT'S BEEN, UH, PRESENTED IN THIS, UH, PRESENTATION.
JOVIAL IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ARTIST WITH RESPECT TO APPROPRIATENESS, RIGHT? UH, AND IN TERMS OF THE ARTIST, BUT IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT WORK AND BODY OF WORK THAT HE'S HAD, WHAT IT'S REPRESENTED IS ALMOST LIKE A GRAPHIC FOLKLORE OF, UM, OF LIFE IN THE WEST SIDE, AND PARTICULARLY LIFE WITH RESPECT TO THE MEXICAN AMERICAN.
THIS CORNER IS, IS BECOME SYNONYMOUS WITH KIND OF THE GATEWAY TO THAT COMMUNITY AT ONE TIME WAS KNOWN AS AS THE MEXICAN DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO DOWN THE STREET FROM, FROM, UH, ONE BLOCK OVER FROM THIS CORNER WAS, UH, WITH A HOME BASE OF A, OF A NEWSPAPER THAT SERVED THE BILINGUAL COMMUNITY, THE SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITY, KNOWN AS ZA.
AND, UM, ZA DIRECTOR WAS, UH, TINO DURAN, UH, WHO IS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT REALLY SHARED MUCH OF THE NEWS THAT MAINSTREAM NEWS WOULDN'T COVER IN, IN MY EARLY YEARS, UH, LEADING IN THE SISTER CHAVEZ MARCH FOR JUSTICE.
UH, TINO DURAN WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN, IN THAT PROCESS.
SO I, I I'M UNDERSTANDING, UH, JUST FROM BEING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL WALKING DOWN THE STREET, SEEING THIS WORK OF ART THAT, UH, DINO UDAN IS, IS, IS KEPT IN MEMORY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS KEPT THAT TRADITION, THAT ORAL TRADITION THAT, THAT REACHES INTO THE LITERATURE RIGHT? REACHES INTO THE NEWSPAPER OR THE PRESS OF A SEGREGATED COMMUNITY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, I CAN SEE THAT, THAT THE USE OF THAT, OF THE TOP RIGHT, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE LIFE OF, OF THE CHILDREN, NOT, NOT JUST IN THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BUT OF THE, OF THE CHILDREN OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE TODAY THAT THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A TOP IS, RIGHT? UH, THEY PROBABLY HAVE VIRTUAL TOPS, THEY HIT A BUTTON AND SOMETHING SPINS ON A SCREEN.
BUT, BUT, SO THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS AN ADULT, IT MIGHT BE HARD TO UNDERSTAND, BUT AS A CHILD, UH, MOST DEFINITELY IT SPEAKS TO PROBABLY THE BETTER.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY CALL THE BETTER ANGELS OF OUR, OF OUR, UM, MEMORY.
IT IS A, UH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST SEE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THESE TWO DIALOGUES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THEY'RE VERY WELL CONNECTED IN, IN UNDERSTANDING THE, THE WAY THAT THIS ARTIST, UH, UH, UH, COMMUNICATES CULTURE TO, UH, TO SAN ANTONIO THROUGH HIS ARTWORK.
SO ON ONE END, I'M, I AM, UH, KIND OF A, A A A SIDE WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT A GATEWAY IS, RIGHT? BUT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MY EDUCATION MESSING WITH ME AND, AND PREVENTING ME FROM, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT PICASSO SAID, IT TOOK ME MY WHOLE LIFE TO LEARN TO PAINT LIKE A CHILD, RIGHT? TO, TO, TO THIS THING THAT REALLY PULLS US BACK DOWN TO GROUND, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME BEFORE US RECENTLY.
THAT IS A MONUMENTAL RESTORATION PROJECT AT THIS CORNER.
I THINK IT FORCES US TO, TO, TO CONSIDER OUR PAST.
AND, UM, I FIND IT VERY, VERY APPROPRIATE WITH RESPECT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS.
I, I ALSO AGREE WITH, WITH HIS COMMENTS, BUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT THOSE, THAT, THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN EFFECT ON, ON THIS AS BEING AN APPROPRIATE, UM, UH, PROJECT.
UM, AND, AND SO, SO MY MOTION TO, TO SUPPORT THIS, THIS PROJECT IS MUCH LIKE MY MOTION TO SUPPORT THE BIG SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE ZOO PARKING LOT.
UH, THAT, THAT IF, IF WE, IF WE ALLOW OURSELVES TO, TO, UM, BE AMBASSADORS OF, OF, UM, OF ART AND, AND THAT, THAT SPEAKS TO ALL AGES, PARTICULARLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE, UM, THIS IS, UH, UH, QUITE AN ASSET.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH COMMENTS? SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C.
CASE NUMBER 2 3 5 0 5 7 1 9 EAST CARSON.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLED ROOF WITH, WITH THE METAL ROOFING PRODUCT THAT IS TO APPEAR AS HISTORIC WOOD SHAKE.
ROOFING SHINGLES STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPLACE THE ROOF IN KIND OR WITH THE SYNTHETIC WOOD SHAKE THAT FEATURES INDIVIDUAL SHAKES, ALL HISTORIC ROOF ELEMENTS INCLUDING ARCHITECTURAL MOLDINGS, CHIMNEYS AND FLUES, DORMERS AND ATTIC VENTS, OR TO BE REPAIRED
[00:25:01]
AND REMAINED IN, REMAIN IN PLACE.UH, THE APPLICANT'S TEAM IS HERE TO PRESENT IN PERSON, UH, FROM, UH, ROOFING.
UM, SORRY I'M A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.
NEVER STOOD IN FRONT OF A BOARD TO PRESENT ANYTHING BEFORE, BUT WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF.
UM, CHANCES ARE THAT WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? I, I APOLOGIZE.
I'M ACCOMPANIED BY OUR PRODUCTION MANAGER, GUS VALEZ AND OUR SALES MANAGER, BRANDON GREEN.
UM, CHANCES ARE THAT WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT, IT MOST LIKELY HAD, UH, WOOD HAND SPLIT WOOD SHAKE SHINGLES INSTALLED.
UM, STANDING SEAM DIDN'T COME AROUND REALLY PREVALENTLY UNTIL THE 1960S.
SO WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT WE FEEL CAPTURES THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS TRYING TO PRESERVE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE SIMILAR STYLE OF HAND SPLIT WOOD SHAKE, SHINGLES.
AND, UH, WE ARE JUST, JUST DOING OUR BEST TO GET THIS APPROVED FOR THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, IF, IF I'M ALLOWED TO PASS THIS OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK OR, UH, YES.
I CAN, UH, STEP IN FOR A LITTLE BIT OF STAFF BACKGROUND.
UH, SO, UH, IF YOU GO UP, UH, B UM, THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED CIRCA 1900.
UH, IT'S FIRST FOUND ON THE 1904 SANDBORN MAP.
UH, AND THE SANDBORN MAP NOTES THAT A SHINGLE ROOF IS INSTALLED.
UM, AT THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, A CEDAR SHAKE MOST LIKELY.
UM, WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THE HOUSE HAS HAD A, UH, AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF ON FOR SOME TIME.
THE APPLICANT'S GOING THROUGH A SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION PROJECT.
UM, STAFF HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED A COMPOSITE SHINGLE MATERIAL THAT IS TO APPEAR AS A WOOD SHAKE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING, UM, AN ADDITIONAL MATERIAL.
UM, THERE ARE ACTUAL, UH, PHOTOS OF THIS.
UM, THIS IS JUST THE SAMPLE HERE, BUT THERE ARE PHOTOS.
UH, THIS IS THE MATERIAL ACTUALLY INSTALLED ON A HOUSE.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, SENT THESE PHOTOS IN.
SO THIS IS AN ACTUAL, UH, LOCAL INSTALLATION, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE, UM, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, AN INDIVIDUAL SHAKE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED.
UM, THE APPLICANTS CAN SPEAK MORE TO THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THE ACTUAL SHEETS THAT ARE INSTALLED ARE APPROXIMATELY 50 INCHES, IF Y'ALL CAN, UM, APPROXIMATELY 15 INCHES AGO.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING WHEN WE LOOK AT, UM, THE INSTALLATION OR THE, THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE MATERIALS OR SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS IS ARE THOSE PROFILED AND ARE THEY DIMENSION, UH, CONSISTENTLY WITH WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN INSTALLED ORIGINALLY.
UM, SO, UM, JUST KIND OF GIVING SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND I'LL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK MORE TO THE PRODUCT.
MY NAME IS BRANDON RENO ROOFERS, BRANDON GREEN.
UM, AND, AND SO IT IS 50 INCHES, AND I SAW THAT THERE, THAT YOU, THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL SHAKE SHINGLES.
UM, THE REASON WHY, WHY WE PREFER THIS AND WHY THE ROOFING COMMUNITY OVERALL, IT'S BECAUSE IT IS JUST A BETTER SYSTEM OVERALL.
IT'S GOING TO PROTECT THE HOME FROM MOISTURE PENETRATION.
IT'S CLASS FOUR IMPACT RATED SHINGLE, AND IT'S A FIRE RETARDANT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHY BACK IN THE DAY THEY KIND OF MOVED AWAY FROM CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES IS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, GO UP IN FLAMES.
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LEAVES A CANDLE UP.
BUT THESE ARE ABLE TO BE CUT AND MOLDED.
THEY'RE, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT 'EM AROUND DORMERS, UH, WE'VE GOT 'EM AROUND WINDOWS, YOU NAME IT.
UH, WE CAN CUT THIS DESIGNED TO WHERE IT FITS ANY HOME TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT ACTUALLY HAS WOOD SHAKE SHINGLE FROM A DISTANCE AND STILL OFFER BETTER PROTECTION THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE.
IT'S, UH, LOOKS LIKE WOOD SHAKE SHINGLE, BUT PROTECTS YOUR HOME LIKE YOU HAVE A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.
GO AHEAD, MS. NO, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, UM, ON, I, I'VE SEEN YOUR PRODUCT OF COURSE, BUT, UM, ON ONE OF THE FINDINGS WE HAVE THERE HERE IS THAT THE ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH THE METAL ROOFING PRODUCT THAT IS TO APPEAR AS HISTORIC.
SO YOUR PRODUCT, I MEAN, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE, OR IN YOUR MIND, BETTER, YOU KNOW, QUALITY OR BETTER SHAPE FOR THIS, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
[00:30:01]
YOU EX ELABORATE ON THAT? I, I, I THINK THAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE BROUGHT HERE TODAY IS JUST ONE OF THE SMALL SAMPLES.THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE PRODUCT LINE UNDER THE SHAKE.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO COME BACK WITH THAT, IF THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR IT, BUT IS, AND THE CONCERN IS THAT YOU SAID IT DOESN'T APPEAR LIKE NATURAL WOOD SHAKE.
UM, I WOULD DISAGREE ON SOME OF IT ROOF, THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WOOD SHAKE SHINGLES.
IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PRODUCT.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS APPROVED LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE, WHICH WAS THE C DIRT, C E D U R, CEDAR SYNTHETIC CEDAR SYNTHETIC.
SO YOU'RE STATING THAT IT, IT, YOU DISAGREE, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE PICTURE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING OR THAT YOU'VE SHOWED ON SCREEN THAT MM-HMM.
AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE OTHER SAMPLES OR THINGS OF THE NATURE, BUT YOU ONLY BOUGHT THAT ONE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WE, WE ONLY BROUGHT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
UM, THEY DECKER ACTUALLY, THIS MANUFACTURER DESIGNS MANY DIFFERENT TYPES.
YOU KNOW, THEY COME WHERE SAME MATERIAL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, TILE OR, UH, REGULAR SHINGLES.
BUT YES, UH, MAN, WE MIGHT NEED TO COME BACK WITH IT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD FEEL THAT IN COMPARISON TO A TRADITIONAL METAL STANDING SEAM ROOF, THAT WHILE IT MAY NOT LOOK IDENTICAL TO THE CEDAR, THE WOOD CEDAR SHAKE, I THINK THIS STILL DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB AT TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT, THAT IMAGE OF WHAT IT DID USED TO LOOK LIKE BETTER THAN JUST METAL STANDING SEAM.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST, JUST OUR, OUR OPINION, SIR, CAN THANK YOU.
SORRY, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION.
AND, AND HAS ASPHALT SHINGLE EVER BEEN AN OPTION? WHY NOT REPLACING IN KIND? UM, THE HOMEOWNER JUST FEELS IT'S AN INFERIOR PRODUCT.
YOU, YOU SAID, WHY AREN'T THEY REPLACING JUST WITH REGULAR SHINGLES IN KIND, WHICH WOULD BE YEAH, REGULAR SHINGLES.
YEAH, THEY, THE, THE HOMEOWNER, UH, HE HAS IT ON HIS, ON HIS OTHER HOUSE THAT, THAT HIM AND HIS WIFE LIVE IN.
THEY, THEY, THEY REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REALLY BELIEVE IN THE PRODUCT.
UM, THEY THINK IT LOOKS NICER.
I MEAN, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT EVEN IF WE PUT, YOU KNOW, A TOP CLASS FOUR IMPACT RATED TRADITIONAL SHINGLE ON THERE, THAT IT STILL WOULDN'T LOOK NEARLY AS NICE AS, AS THE WOOD SHAKE XD.
WE, AGAIN, WE JUST, WE JUST REALLY FEEL THAT IT, IT GETS AS CLOSE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN TO WOOD SHAKE.
UH, BUT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET WOOD SHAKE ANYMORE, THIS IS THE NEXT CLOSEST THING.
AND THEN JUST ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, IS, SO THAT, SO THAT PRODUCT YOU SAID IS 50 INCHES, IS THERE ANOTHER PRODUCT, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO OTHER PRODUCTS THAT ARE NOT 50 INCHES LONG THAT MIGHT BE JUST SINGLE, LIKE KIND OF GIVING THAT A CUT? SO YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE 50 INCHES? UH, MAY I ASK LIKE, WHAT THAT'S ROOTED FROM? AND I THINK IT'S WHAT, UH, STUFF WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE APPEARANCE OF NOT BEING SINGLE SHINGLES.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, I MEAN, IT HAS A LITTLE DENT INTO IT, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T CORRECT.
SO, SO THE 50 INCHES WOULD BE THE, THE, THE LENGTH OF OR THE WIDTH OF, OF THIS PRODUCT, RIGHT? AS WOULD A, AN ABNORMAL ASPHALT SHINGLE.
THOSE ARE YET CUT TO SIZE AND CUT TO THE HIPS OF, OF THE ROOF.
SO THE, ESSENTIALLY THE 50 INCHES IS REALLY, REALLY NOT PERTINENT TO, TO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA CUT TO SIZE OF THE ROOF AND, AND THE HIPS AND THE VALLEYS THAT IT HAS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, I, I THINK, UM, MAYBE IF I CAN BRIDGE THIS, THE MAIN CONCERN IS ORIGINALLY THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A SHAKE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN 10 INCHES BY 14 INCHES OR SO, WHATEVER.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN INDIVIDUAL PIECE.
AND WHILE THE ASPHALT SHINGLE THAT'S INSTALLED NOW IS 40 TO 50 INCHES PER SHEET MM-HMM.
UM, THAT THAT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL MATERIAL, AND THAT THIS PRODUCT IS BEING INSTALLED TO APPEAR AS AN ORIGINAL MATERIAL.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN IS, IS THAT YOU'RE INSTALLING A MATERIAL IN A NON-ORIGINAL PROFILE TO APPEAR AS AN ORIGINAL MATERIAL IN AN ORIGINAL PROFILE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY, THE, THE DISCONNECT.
UM, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, Y'ALL MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE A, ANOTHER SAMPLE OR A, A PRODUCT THAT WOULD APPEAR IN A MORE CONSISTENT PROFILE THAT, I MEAN, THE, I MEAN THE, UH, THE C D R, UM, WHICH RECENTLY DID GET APPROVED WAS THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT THE HOMEOWNER WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN.
SO WE JUST REALLY FELT STRONGLY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU GUYS WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO GRANT US THE APPROVAL ON THE C D R, UM, AND THIS BEING VERY COMPARABLE IN OUR OPINION TO THAT MATERIAL.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT APPROVED.
MR. CHAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES.
CAN YOU, UH, GO TO, I THINK IT'S PAGE 14 OF, OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION
[00:35:01]
WHERE IT'S GOT THE DIFFERENT COLORS.AND IF, CAN YOU TELL ME, THAT APPEARS TO BE SEPARATE LITTLE PIECES.
CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH OF THAT IS ONE PIECE? CAN YOU TELL ME HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW BIG THE LINES ARE THAT MAKE IT APPEAR TO BE INDIVIDUAL PIECES? OH, OKAY.
IN, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD SLATS TO ME.
SO, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE EACH INDIVIDUAL SHAKES APPEARANCES IN THAT.
SO ROUGHLY BETWEEN ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 10 INCHES APART, ON BETWEEN THE GROOVES FROM THE END RIGHT THERE TO THAT RIGHT THERE, IS THAT ONE PIECE, IS THIS ALL ONE PIECE OR IS THAT A SEPARATE PIECE RIGHT THERE? IT'S ALL ONE PIECE UP.
UP TO WHERE THE WHOLE THING? NO, SIR, PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY.
SO FROM HERE TO HERE IS ONE PIECE.
FROM HERE TO HERE IS ABOUT ANOTHER PIECE.
IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL PIECES.
AND, UM, THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE, UH, THE PRESENTATION AND, AND I PARTICULARLY APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE AERIAL VIEWS THAT YOU GAVE US OF THE ROOF SO WE COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND.
SO, UH, KUDOS TO WHOEVER SENT OUT THE DRONE TO DO THAT.
UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, MATERIAL, UH, PERHAPS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FORM, UH, IN, IN A BARREL FORM, UH, USED IN A LOT OF COASTAL CONDITIONS 'CAUSE OF WIND ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT HERE IT FEELS TO ME, A LITTLE ALIEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST GOING BACK TO THE EARLIER QUESTION ABOUT WHY A, YOU KNOW, A HIGH DIMENSIONAL 50 YEAR, YOU KNOW, COMPOSITION, COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WASN'T, UH, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THIS PER SQUARE COMPARE TO THE COST OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVED, UH, UH, SYNTHETIC, UH, CEDAR MATERIAL? IS THIS MORE EXPENSIVE OR LESS EXPENSIVE? IT'S, IT'S RIGHT AROUND THE SAME PRICE.
THAT'S FOR THE, FOR THE CEDAR AND THE DECRA? YES.
AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH MY EXPERIENCE? YES, SIR.
AND, AND THEN, UH, ON THE FIRST QUESTION, I DO KNOW THAT THE HOMEOWNERS CURRENTLY NOW, THEY WANNA DO EVERYTHING AS POSSIBLE TO KEEP THIS HOUSE AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, WE WALKED THE HOUSE WITH 'EM.
THEY, THEY WERE PULLING OFF THESE HAND CARVES, THEY WERE PUTTING 'EM AWAY.
THEY'RE REFINISHING EVERYTHING.
THEIR ATTENTION TO DETAIL ON THIS HOUSE TO THEM EXPLAINING HOW BORIS HAIR IS, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE INSULATION IN BETWEEN THE BATTENS AND THEIR WALLS.
I MEAN, SO WHENEVER, WHENEVER THEY'RE SAYING THEY WANT TO GET IT BACK TO LIKE WOOD SHAKE SHINGLES, WE TRY TO GIVE 'EM AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
AND THESE ARE THE FEW PRODUCTS THAT WE FOUND, WHICH ARE GONNA STAND THE TEST OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY 70, I KNOW THEY SAY BETWEEN 40 AND 70 YEARS, BUT IF YOU GO DOWN KING WILLIAMS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ROOFS UP THERE, METAL ROOFS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE NEARLY A HUNDRED YEARS.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY KIND OF WANNA DO.
THEY KIND OF WANNA BRING IT BACK TO WHAT THEY FEEL WAS WHENEVER THE HOUSE WAS, WAS BUILT, AND THEY WANT IT TO LAST, YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU.
OTHER QUESTIONS? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT MOTION.
UM, TELL US AGAIN THE REASON WHY THERE WAS THE SWITCH FROM THE CEDAR PRODUCT TO THIS PARTICULAR PRODUCT.
SO REALLY THE ONLY REASON WAS, UM, WHEN WE HAD SENT THE SAMPLE BOARD TO THE HOMEOWNER, UM, YOU KNOW, AND HE, HE ACTUALLY HELD IT IN HIS HAND, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD GOTTEN THE APPROVAL ON IT, HE WAS JUST A LITTLE LEERY.
AND HE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS OTHER PRODUCT, THIS DECKER PRODUCT, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT I HAVE ON MY HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE TRY TO GET THIS APPROVED IT BEING SIMILAR SO THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE SWITCH, UH, JUST THE HOMEOWNER'S PREFERENCE.
UM, BUT WE, WE REALLY DO FEEL STRONGLY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SIMILAR IN IN WHAT THEY ARE IN NATURE.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO COMMISSIONER DIALOG.
I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AS SUBMITTED BY THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT WITH ALL OTHER STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, SECOND PERTAINING TO THIS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
OKAY, WELL, IT, IT, UH, IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT, THAT, UM, THE QUESTION HERE IS, IS SIMILAR TO A QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TYPICALLY, UH, WITH RESPECT TO HARDY BOARD, RIGHT? SO HARDY BOARD HAS A GRAIN ON IT THAT, THAT IS A FULL GRAIN, AND IT'S BECOME, I GUESS, KIND OF THE, THE NEXT BEST, BEST CHARACTER IS TO HAVE THAT HARDY BOARD TURNED AROUND SO THAT IT IT IS, IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE A PIECE OF WOOD, RIGHT?
[00:40:01]
IT'S A SMOOTH SURFACE, RIGHT? IN THIS CASE, WHAT STRIKES ME IS THAT MATERIAL AS IN AS, AS A ASPHALT MATERIAL IN THAT IT'S A, IT'S A CROSS BETWEEN THE ASPHALT SHINGLE AND THIS OTHER MATERIAL THAT OBVIOUSLY ISN'T, RIGHT.SO, SO THE, THE, UH, SAMPLE THAT, THAT YOU HAVE, THAT TO ME SEEMS TO BE MORE RELEVANT TO NOT NECESSARILY CREATING A FALSE NARRATIVE IN THIS HOUSE, RIGHT? UM, WHAT I WAS HEARING IN THE EARLIER PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION WAS THAT THE CONCERN WAS FIRE, RIGHT? SAN ANTONIO BEING A FIRECRACKER TOWN, RIGHT? THAT LIKES TO SHOOT BOTTLE ROCKETS UP EVERY YEAR, TWICE A YEAR.
UH, IT IS A CONCERN, RIGHT? WE, WE KNOW IT'S A CONCERN.
UM, SO I, I'M, I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT, WHAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS MIGHT THINK IN TERMS OF APPLYING THIS THEORY OF, YOU KNOW, THE USING THE HARDY BOARD AND, AND, AND OUR THINKING BEHIND THAT, RIGHT? BE BEHIND HOW WE EMPLOY THAT MATERIAL TO THIS MATERIAL.
UM, IS IT THAT THE, THE SHAKE IS A FAUX SHAKE AND WE KNOW THAT IT IS, AND THAT IT, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A CONCRETE MATERIAL UP THERE, RIGHT? UH, AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT DOESN'T HAVE A VARIATION OF DIMENSION.
IT'S A SINGLE DIMENSION DEAL LIKE THE CONCRETE TILE DOES.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S VERY HIGH IN THAT MAY MAYBE IT, YOU KNOW, USE THAT, WHAT DO WE SAY LEARNING FROM LAS VEGAS, RIGHT? THAT THAT EFFECT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THE MARBLE ON THE BOTTOM AND PUT THE PLASTIC UP WAY UP HIGH, RIGHT? WHERE NOBODY CAN TOUCH IT AND TELL, UH, IT SEEMS THAT THE GREATER VALUE OF THIS, OF THIS STRUCTURE IS BELOW WHAT IS NOW A ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF, WHICH MEANS THAT AN INCLINE REPLACEMENT WOULD BE SEEN AS APPROPRIATE.
YET A 20 YEAR ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF IS CLEARLY DENIGRATING THE QUALITY OF THIS, OF THIS HOUSE.
SO TO TAKE IT TO THAT NEXT LEVEL, DOES THE HEIGHT JUSTIFY THE USE OF, OF THIS MATERIAL, BUT ALSO THE PROTECTION, THE ULTIMATE PROTECTION OF THIS ASSET, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IF, IF THE ROOF IS GOOD, WE KNOW THIS BUILDING WILL BE AROUND FOR TWO, 300 YEARS MORE.
I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO.
UM, WELL, UM, APPEARANCE IS EVERYTHING, RIGHT? UM, UH, AND SOME OF THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER MADE, UM, ARE INTERESTING AND VALID AND THINGS TO CONSIDER.
UH, THE DISTANCE BY WHICH, OR FROM WHICH THAT WE VIEW THIS AS IMPORTANT FROM THE DISTANCE THAT COMPOSITION GRANULAR OVER THE ASPHALT COATING, UH, THAT GOES AWAY.
WHAT DO WE SEE? WELL, I THINK YOUR PHOTOS ON, UM, SLIDE 21, 22, 23 MAY GIVE US A BETTER IDEA.
AND WE BEGIN TO SEE MORE OF A HORIZONTAL, A DOMINEERING, HORIZONTAL LINE ACROSS THE ROOF.
AND IN PART BECAUSE THESE PIECES ARE 50 INCHES WIDE, AND THE VARIATION BETWEEN THAT END IS SO MINIMAL THAT YOU DON'T SEE IT FROM THE GROUND.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM FINDING, UH, SYNTHETIC OR ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS IF THEY WORK.
I THINK GOING TO THE, THE HARDY MATERIAL, IF WE HAD AN EIGHT BY FOUR BY EIGHT SHEET LAID IT UP HORIZONTALLY AND WE HAD FAKE BOARD LINES, I THINK WE WOULD SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
ALSO, THERE'S A REASON IT COMES IN THE 5, 6, 8, 10 INCH WIDTHS, BECAUSE THE MATERIAL LOOK OF IT IS REALLY IMPACTED BY HOW IT'S INSTALLED.
SO I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE CEDAR PRODUCT OR THE PRODUCT THAT YOU BROUGHT IN PREVIOUSLY, IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL THING.
IT HAS THAT VARIATION THAT EVEN WHEN YOU'RE DOWN 20 FEET BELOW, YOU'LL SEE THAT.
AND SO IT'S, IT IS THE APPEARANCE OF IT.
SIMPLY PUT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP.
I, I, I AGREE WITH STAFF ON THIS ONE.
I THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T, AND ESPECIALLY, AND, AND TO COMMISSIONER ALASKA'S POINT, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE MIGHT IN THE FUTURE CONSIDER THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT AND LIKE WE HAVE DONE WITH CHANGES WITH BOARD ABANDON, I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, PERTAINING TO THIS CASE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE REST OF THE HOMES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, EITHER IN KIND WITH THE ASPHALT SHOULDN'T GO.
I MEAN, THE ASPHALT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT THERE, OR THE, OR THE SINGLE SEAT THAT YOU'VE HAD BEFORE.
UM, YEAH, I, I, I'M IN CONCURRENCE WITH THOSE OPINIONS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN COMMEND PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANT TO PROTECT HISTORIC PROPERTIES, OBVIOUSLY.
AND, UH, IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR THOSE WHO'VE, WHO'VE EVEN WANTED TO GO FROM ASPHALT
[00:45:01]
SHINGLES TO A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF ON LITTLE BUNGALOW HOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT HISTORICALLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS SEEN AS A MORE NOBLER MATERIAL.AND FOR THE LONG-TERM, UH, PRESERVATION OF THE STRUCTURE, IT WAS A BENEFIT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I COUCH THAT ALSO IN THAT WE HAVE SOME REGIONAL PRECEDENTS FOR THAT, FOR METAL ROWS ON, ON, UH, STANDING SEA OR FLAT SEA METAL, UH, ROOFS ON, UH, BUNGALOW STRUCTURES AND OTHER KINDS OF, OF BUILDINGS.
UM, HERE, THIS IS SUCH A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT ONE WOULD FIND ON A QUEEN ANNE OR, UH, YOU KNOW, VICTORIAN HOME IN THE AREA.
THERE'S, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD REALLY STAND OUT BECAUSE OF ITS UNIQUENESS OF, OF, OF APPEARANCE.
AND E EVEN THOUGH I THINK THIS IS PERHAPS A SUPERIOR MATERIAL FROM ASPHALT, I, I DO HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE OF, IT'S SO DI VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WOULD'VE EVEN BEEN HISTORICALLY PUT ON THE HOME, UH, FROM A, FROM A MATERIAL STANDPOINT.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.
COMMISSIONER GIBBS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, STATE THAT I, I APPLAUD THE HOMEOWNER AND ALSO APPLAUD Y'ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT I'M, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, UM, CO-CHAIR CARPENTER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A SUPERIOR PRODUCT.
I'M, I'M PROBABLY SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE BETTER ALONG IN THE LONG RUN, BUT IT JUST FALLS SHORT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, GUIDELINES ARE CALLING FOR.
AND SO I, I ALSO BELIEVE, UM, ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER GROUP, THAT STAFF HAS ITS RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, JUST WANNA SAY, I MEAN, JUST KEEP ON TRYING, BUT I, FOR THIS RIGHT HERE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS GONNA WORK.
MR. CHAIR, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO AMEND? CAN, CAN I PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT OR, SORRY, I FORGOT THE PROCESS.
UH, QUICKLY PUT IT TO THE VOTE.
LET'S, UM, MR. CHAIR, I, I, CAN I, MR. CHAIR, CAN I GET A COMMENT? UH, JUST A MOMENT, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, SO, UM, I DO AGREE WITH MOST OF THE ISSUES MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE MENTIONED.
I'M TRYING TO GET A TO A RESOLUTION HERE.
I THINK IT'S CLOSER THAN THE ASPHALT SHINGLES THAT ARE UP THERE NOW.
UM, UH, COMMISSIONER SINO MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU SEE THAT LINE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT, THAT UNIFORM LINE SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHERE IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO VARY THAT, TO KIND OF BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT LOOKS MORE INDIVIDUALISTIC? I MEAN, CAN YOU CUT 'EM TO DIFFERENT SIZES? CAN YOU, CAN YOU PUT SOME VARIANCE ON THAT TO, TO ACHIEVE YOUR PRODUCT, BUT YET AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESS THE ISSUE SHE MENTIONED? YEAH, NO, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T.
THE, UH, THE WAY THAT THIS IS, IS IT'S A LOCKING SYSTEM.
UM, NOW WITH THE CEDAR PRODUCT, WHICH I LOVE MYSELF, THEN YOU CAN STAGGER IT AND MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, STAGGER ON THE EAVE.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE A MORE NATURAL WOOD SHAKE.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THIS SYSTEM IS, IT IS A LOCKING SYSTEM.
UM, SO YOU, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAGGER IT.
WELL, THAT, THAT SAID, I THINK I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS PRODUCT.
I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE, BUT, UH,
THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A, A TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TO KIND OF MOVE INTO THE, TO THE CENTURY AND, AND DO THE BEST YOU CAN TO PROTECT THE OVERALL PRODUCT AND COMPROMISE ON SOME THINGS THAT DO THAT.
AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF 'EM.
UM, SO YEAH, I DO SUPPORT YOUR MOTION.
AND JUST, OKAY, MR. CHAIR, ONE MOMENT.
MR. ZUKI, JUST, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION, AND I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY SAID IT ALREADY, BUT IT LEFT MY MIND.
HOW DOES THE, UH, C A COMPARE IN LONGEVITY AND WHERE, UM, LIFESPAN TO THIS PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY, SO, SO REALLY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK CEDAR IS A RELATIVELY NEW PRODUCT, SO SOMEBODY CAN CLAIM HOW LONG THAT PRODUCT IS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY HOLD IT IN YOUR HAND.
UH, FEELS MUCH LIGHTER, AND THAT'S WHY THE HOMEOWNER, WHENEVER THEY ACTUALLY HELD THIS IN THEIR HAND, HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I DO KNOW THAT DECKER'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, OR THIS TYPE OF METAL ROOFING LOCKING SYSTEM HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE BEFORE THEY STARTED ACTUALLY DOING THE STONE COATING.
SO WE KNOW THAT THOSE ARE LIFESPAN, THEY SAY 40 TO 70 YEARS, BUT IT'S HARD TO FIND A METAL ROOF UNLESS IT'S BEEN DESTROYED BY HELL OR COMPROMISED BY SOME PENETRATION THAT CAN LAST A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS.
UM, SO I CAN'T REALLY GIVE THAT ANSWER, BUT I DO LIKE CEDAR AND I DO KNOW THAT THE MATERIAL, THE COMPOSITE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY MADE OUT OF, UM, IT'S ALSO FIRE RETARDANT IMPACT RATED TILL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT FOR RATED, UH, MATERIALS.
WELL, BUT I CAN'T REALLY TALK, I DON'T THINK THE DATA IS OUT REALLY WHENEVER IT COMES TO CEDAR OR THAT PRODUCT.
SO, MI MR. CHAIR, UH, ONE MOMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, UH, THIS IS COMMISSIONER JOHN BAKER JOINING VIRTUALLY.
[00:50:01]
I, I RESPECT AND, UH, VALUE OUT ALL THE, THE INPUT.AND I THINK THIS IS GOOD DISCUSSION.
I, I DO THINK, UH, THAT THIS PRODUCT IS SUPERIOR TO NORMAL ASPHALT SHINGLES, AND I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IT'S CLOSER TO, UM, HISTORIC THAN THE ASPHALT SHINGLES.
AND, AND I DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY, THAT IT MIGHT BE VERY NOTICEABLE IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE SO IN A POSITIVE WAY AND, AND, UH, AND THAT THIS MIGHT BE AT VIEWED AS ATTRACTIVE AND COMPLIMENTARY, THAT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S SO NEGATIVE THAT IT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC NATURE OF, OF WHAT WOULD BE A VERY, UH, UM, NOTICEABLE HOUSE.
IT'S A HUGE HOUSE, UH, BASED ON THE LOCATION.
AND SO, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PRODUCT PERSONALLY, NOT, I REGRET THAT I'M NOT THERE TO ACTUALLY SEE IT, TOUCH IT, FEEL IT, BUT UH, FROM THE INFORMATION THAT'S PREVENTED, UH, PRESENTED VIRTUALLY, I'M FAVOR OF IT.
AND THEN I WOULD BASICALLY SAY, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT AND, UH, I ECHO THE, THE SIMILAR COMMENTS ABOUT THE APPEARANCE OF THIS PRODUCT COMPARED TO, UH, THE C R OR THE, THE ACTUAL HISTORIC WOOD SHAKES.
NOW, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR, JUST MAKE A COMMENT.
AND, AND, UM, PRIOR TO I, I BELIEVE RESCINDING THE, THE MOTION AND UNDERSTANDING THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, I THINK IT IS WORTH SAYING THAT, THAT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT WILL MIMIC THE REAL CEDAR THERE.
THERE'S JUST, THERE, THERE'S NO WAY TO DO IT.
AND I THINK THE TRAINED EYE SEES A, A PRODUCT THAT IS USED IN NEW SUBURBAN HOUSES THAT ARE IN FACT, UH, A KIND, KIND OF NEO, UH, UH, UH, SHAKE ROOFS, RIGHT? THEY'RE ALL OVER DAYS OF ALLAH.
AND, AND SO, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A MARKET IMPACT ON THIS MATERIAL 'CAUSE THEY HAVE PLENTY OF CUSTOMERS.
AND IN THE FUTURE, THIS WILL BE AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL TO REPLACE THOSE VERY MATERIALS THAT THAT, THAT ARE HERE.
SO, SO IT, IT'S, UH, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S NOT ANYTHING AGAINST THAT MATERIAL, BUT, BUT STEPPING INTO JUST, JUST MAKING SURE THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS, IS PART OF THIS, UH, HEARING, RIGHT? THAT, THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN, IN, IN INFORMING THE PUBLIC THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE A WOOD ROOF, THERE'S SIMPLY NOTHING THAT, THAT IS ON THE MARKET THAT WILL, THAT WILL FAKE THAT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A, A COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT, THAT IS LAID IN THE SAME MANNER, WELL THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET THE SAME ORIENTATION, RIGHT? OF MATERIAL.
SO BASED ON THAT AND BEING RESPECTFUL OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION'S, UH, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AND TIME, I WANNA RESCIND THAT MOTION.
UH, I'D ASK THE SECOND TO, UH, RESCIND AS WELL.
SO THE MOTION HAS BEEN RESCINDED.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP? UM, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH I GUESS, RIGHT, THAT'S THE SAME MOTION WE JUST HAD, BUT IT'S, YOU CAN MAKE IT.
SORRY, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE, IT WAS A MOTION TO DENY.
SO MOTION TO APPROVE EITHER IN KIND OR WITH THE MATERIAL APPROVED ON OCTOBER 18TH, WHICH IS A SYNTHETIC WOOD, SYNTHETIC WOOD SHAKE.
IS THAT MAKE CLEAR? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CEDAR? YEAH, ESSENTIALLY THE MOTION IS YOU COULD EITHER REPLACE WITH AN ASPHALT SHINGLE OR CONTINUE ON WITH THE CDR PRODUCT.
UM, ACTUALLY A QUESTION IS IF THEY DO WANT THAT, DO WE EVEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH, SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE AN APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 18TH, THERE'S A VALID C O A ON FILE FOR THE OTHER MATERIAL OR THE OTHER PRODUCT.
SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD INSTALL THAT OR GET A C O A FOR AN ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF.
AND THEN JUST ADD, UH, WITH THE STIPULATIONS OF THE CORRECT, THOSE STIPULATIONS WOULD'VE APPEAL.
CHAIRMAN, I SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND NOW.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
[00:55:02]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H C R C CASE 2023 DASH 0 0 8.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH A CONCRETE PAVER DRIVEWAY EXPANDED TO 10 FEET IN WIDTH.
TWO, MODIFY THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL IN A STACKED LIMESTONE CONFIGURATION.
THREE, INSTALL AN EIGHT INCH CURBING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY IN A DRY STACKED POSITION.
AND FOUR, INSTALL A SIX FOOT TALL SWINGING DRIVEWAY GATE WITH A MOTORIZED PAD TO MATCH THE EXISTING REAR PRIVACY FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A FULLY CONCRETE DRIVEWAY TO MATCH THE EXISTING MATERIAL ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RETAINING WALL REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE REPLACEMENT RETAINING WALL MATCHED THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL IN MATERIAL HEIGHT AND CONFIGURATION.
THE REPLACEMENT RETAINING WALL SHOULD BE, SHOULD FEATURE A RANDOM PATTERN LIMESTONE VENEER TO MATCH THE EXISTING ITEM.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE CURBING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE REPLACEMENT CURBING MATCHED THE EXISTING CURBING IMMATERIAL HEIGHT AND CONFIGURATION, THE REPLACEMENT CURBING SHOULD FEATURE LIMESTONE CLADDING TO MATCH THE EXISTING ITEM.
NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DRIVEWAY GATE INSTALLATION BASED ON FINDING F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE DRIVEWAY GATE IS LOCATED BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WHILE PLAYING IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING REAR FENCE.
AND TWO, THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED GATE NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AS APPROVED BY THE H D R C AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE GATE MUST BE PERMITTED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN THE U D C SECTION 31 DASH FIVE 14.
THE APPLICANT ROBERT FRANKLIN IS HERE IN PERSON.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ROBERT FRANKLIN.
UM, I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER AND I'M THE CONTRACTOR ON THE JOB, UH, FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, AND THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, ORIGINALLY THE, THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY HAD BEEN THERE SO LONG, IT WAS CONCRETE AND IT HAD FAILED AND CRACKED UP.
UH, THE RETAINING WALL THAT WAS HOLDING THE, BASICALLY THE FRONT YARD UP, UM, HAD BEEN OVER TIME, PUSHED OVER.
IT WAS LEANING INTO THE DRIVEWAY, UM, AND IT HAD GOTTEN SO NARROW.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAD STARTED HITTING THEIR, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS OR MIRRORS AND WHATNOT ON THE WALL.
AND SO THEY WANTED TO REPLACE IT AND, UM, AND GO FROM THERE AND ADD THE, THE SECURITY GATE, UM, ON THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH ALL THIS AND ORIGINALLY I WAS GONNA GO BACK, SAME AS IT WAS BEFORE.
UM, I'VE DONE A THOUSAND DRIVEWAYS, UM, AROUND SAN ANTONIO.
I KNEW I HAD TO GET A PERMIT FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, JOB APPROACH AND THE SIDEWALK.
UM, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT I NEEDED TO GET A PERMIT FROM HISTORIC ON THE DRIVEWAY, UM, WHICH ORIGINALLY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT GOING IN AS IT WAS BEFORE, SO THERE WEREN'T GONNA BE ANY CHANGES.
AND THEN LAST MINUTE THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE, THE, THE LOOK OF THE WALL, UM, TO A DRY STACK LOOK, UM, AS WELL AS ADD PAVERS IN ON IT, UM, ON THE, FROM THE GATE FORWARD.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UM, WANTING TO GET APPROVAL ON THAT.
UM, ON THE MATERIAL FOR THE WALL, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS SO OLD AND, UM, THE CUT STONE THAT THEY HAVE ON IT, IT HAS A REALLY NICE PATINA YELLOW, UM, ON IT.
AND, UH, FINDING THE STONE FOR THE WALL, UM, TO GO BACK, WE WERE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING ANYTHING THAT REALLY MATCHED, UM, AND LOOKED GOOD WITH THE COLOR OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND SO WE KIND OF SWITCH GEARS AND THEY WANT TO GET PERMISSION TO PUT IN A DRY STACK WALL THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT, UM, GOING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN, AND THOSE ARE THE PAVERS AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PAVERS UP NEXT TO THAT WALL THAT THEY WANT TO DO.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? WE DO NOT.
OR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD? WE JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT AND THAT'S IN THE LETTERS, UH, FOLDER.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR?
[01:00:01]
YES.UM, I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I COULD, UM, BARELY HEAR YOU, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR ON THIS CASE.
SO, UM, IN THE FINDINGS, OKAY, UM, STAFF STATED ON DECEMBER 1ST, THEY, UM, RECEIVED A REPORT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY ISSUE BASICALLY A STOP WORK ORDER, UM, FOR YOU.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, YOU WERE, AND THIS IS PART I DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU, SO I WANNA BE CLEAR.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE DOING SOME WORK AND THEN YOU REALIZED SOMETHING ELSE NEEDED TO BE DONE, BE DONE, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEEK OR DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU NEEDED APPROVAL AT.
I, I DIDN'T, I DID NOT KNOW THAT I NEEDED A, A PERMIT FOR THE DRIVEWAY PORTION.
I KNEW I NEEDED A PERMIT FOR THE, UM, SIDEWALK AND THE APPROACH, UM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I HAD TO HAVE, BECAUSE HISTORIC THAT I HAD TO HAVE APPROVAL ON THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL FROM THE CITY SIDEWALK BACK.
BUT YOU ARE AWARE THAT THIS WAS A HISTORIC HOME, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT YOU NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL? IS THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE I NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL ON IT.
IT WAS GOING BACK LIKE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY.
UM, THEN ONCE I'D STARTED IT, THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE WALL, LIKE THE STONE ON THE WALL AND ADD PAVERS TO IT.
AND SO AT THAT POINT I HAD, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO GET THE DRIVEWAY IN FOR 'EM SO THEY COULD ACCESS THEIR HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE WAS ALREADY OUT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW.
UH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER GROUP.
AND I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION TOO.
SO YOU HAVEN'T INSTALLED ANY PAVERS AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE STACK STONE RETURN? NO, I HAVE NOT.
AND BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING TODAY? YES, MA'AM.
ADDITIONALLY TO GET APPROVED WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE? YES MA'AM.
AND TO CLARIFY ON THE, I GUESS JUST TO KIND OF THE GATE, IT IS BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? YES MA'AM.
SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE GATE IS APPROVED AS ALREADY BEING DONE, RIGHT? THE GATE IS NOT REALLY AN ISSUE TODAY, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE CURB ON THE LEFT SIDE BECAUSE IT USED TO HAVE THAT LIMESTONE CLADDING AND NOW IT'S JUST STRAIGHT CONCRETE THAT'S CORRECT.
AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, THE WE, THE CURB ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE RETAINING WALL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY WILL BOTH BE STONE, THEY'LL BE BOTH BE STONE CLA.
SO YOU WON'T SEE IT WON'T BE JUST A CONCRETE CURB.
UM, IF STAFF COULD GO TO SHEET NUMBER 20, THAT'S THE DRAWING, UH, SECTION DETAIL AT THE APRON.
UM, IT APPEARS, HAVE YOU ALREADY CAST THE NEW CONCRETE SLAB FOR THE DRIVE? UH, YES SIR.
THE DR THE, THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, THAT HAS BEEN POURED ALONG WITH THE, THE, THE TWO FLANKING WALLS, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS THOUGH THERE'S AN OFFSET AT THE, AT THE SIDEWALK AT THE AC.
THERE IS THAT, IS THERE, THERE IS.
WE POUR, WE POURED IT, WE POURED THE, THE NEW CONCRETE THERE.
WE POURED IT DROPPED DOWN THAT WAY PAVERS WOULD MATCH UP TO THE, THE NEW SIDEWALK ONCE IT'S POURED.
YEAH, AS IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, IT'S DIFFICULT.
THE LIGHT'S KIND OF FLAT AND IT'S HARD TO SEE WHETHER, WHETHER THERE WAS ANTICIPATED DROP THERE.
UH, SO I WAS WONDERING WHETHER YOU WERE RECASTING THE, THE APRON AND THE SIDEWALK AND BRINGING EVERYTHING UP.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS A, THERE IS A DROP THERE IN THIS? YES SIR.
THERE IS A DROP AND WE DID NOT POUR THE, THE DRIVE APPROACH OR THE CITY SIDEWALK.
UM, SO, UM, IF WE GET APPROVAL ON THAT AND THE PERMIT TO DO THAT, WE WILL TEAR THE EXISTING APPROACH OUT AND SIDE PIECE OF SIDEWALK AND POUR THAT, YOU KNOW, BACK THAT WAY EVERYTHING MATCHES FLUSH IF WE CAN, ARE ABLE TO GET THE PAVERS APPROVED.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MEAN, I CAN TRY.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT I'M, I, I DON'T SEE ENOUGH JUSTIFICATION FOR THE STACK STONE WALL.
I MEAN, YOU'RE SHARING A PICTURE OF WHERE THERE ON A WEST HOLLYWOOD STREET, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I MEAN THE HOUSE IS LIMESTONE ON THE FRONT.
[01:05:01]
I'LL GO WITH STAFF.I, I COULD ACCEPT THAT TO KEEP THE, UM,
AS THEY, AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
JUST CONCRETE WITHOUT THE LIME STORE AND CLADDING.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, I THINK, I THINK THE MOTION THAT I'LL PUT RIGHT NOW ON THE TABLE TO START DISCUSSION WOULD BE AS STAFF APPROVES WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH WOULD MEAN NO PAVERS, NO STACK STONE, AND ADDING THE, THE LIMESTONE VENEER TO THE EXISTING ON THE EAST SIDE.
BUT I'LL BE OPEN TO SEE IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY ELSE JUST TO KEEP THE DISCUSSION.
SO MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, ARE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I'LL SECOND SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE? COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH.
AND, AND I GUESS AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IS, IS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, REPLACING IN KIND, YOU CAN SAY THE DRIVEWAY'S ALREADY THERE, IT'S BEEN POURED.
I GUESS WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IS JUST LINE IT UP WITH THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? SO I MEAN, EITHER HOW YOU DO IT, IF YOU EITHER, IF WE WENT BACK WITH, IF IT STAYED CONCRETE.
SO BASICALLY STAYING CONCRETE, I, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE, UH, EX THE RETAINING WALL, STAYING IN CONCRETE OR ADDING THE LIMESTONE VENEER TO MATCH WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE MATCHING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I, I, I JUST CAN'T, UM, I WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PAVERS IS NOT SOMETHING LIKE WE'VE ACCEPTED LIKE RED BRAKE PAVERS, BUT REALLY THAT'S ALSO BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T ORIGINAL MATERIAL, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT WAS ORIGINAL TO THIS DRIVEWAY OR TO THIS HOME.
AND, UM, AND I GUESS THAT'S IT.
YEAH, THERE'S A, UM, HOUSE ON HOLLYWOOD AND ONE STREET OVER, UM, IT'S PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR HOUSES FROM MCCULLOUGH THAT HAS THE EXACT SAME, UM, GRAY CONCRETE PAVER AND THE EXACT SAME HERRINGBONE PATTERN, UM, INSTALLED IN ON IT.
AND IT WAS JUST COMPLETED BEFORE CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR.
IT'S THAT, THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP.
UM, YEAH, AND I THINK THERE CAN ALWAYS BE EXCEPTIONS FOUND IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND WORK HAPPENS WITH AND WITHOUT, UM, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.
SO, BUT I THINK TO COMMISSIONER GROOVE'S POINT THAT I AGREE WITH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A, A PREVALENCE OF THOSE PAVERS, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE, THERE'S KIND OF AN UNUSUAL INTRODUCTION OF SOMETHING.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD ADVOCATE THOUGH CLADDING THE, UH, THE RETAINED WALLS IN THE LIMESTONE VENEER THAT, THAT MIMICS THE HOUSE.
I THINK THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE STACK STONES, IT, IT COMES OFF A LITTLE TOO INFORMAL, A LITTLE TOO RUSTIC, AND THE HOUSE IS QUITE, QUITE AN ELEGANT, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND SO YEAH, THE HOUSE IS BEAUTIFUL.
THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, WALL THAT WAS THERE WAS NOT THE SAME CUT STONE LIKE IS ON THE HOUSE.
IT WAS A, A RANDOM KIND OF PEANUT BRITTLE TYPE OF, UH, IF WE LOOKED AT THE PHOTOGRAPHS YEAH, JUST THE FACE OUT.
UM, AND I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT, OR EVEN A CUT ASHLER, UM, A RANDOM ASHLER, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE DRY STACK, WHY IT HAS BECOME VERY POPULAR, IT'S REALLY MORE APPROPRIATE SAY IN, IN A MORE RURAL SETTING OR, OR, YOU KNOW, RANCH SETTING KIND OF TEXAS HILL COUNTRIES, UH, SETTING NOT HERE IN, IN, UH, ON LINWOOD.
SO, UM, I, IN, IN, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE ABILITY TO, TO MATCH IT, THEN I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE CONCRETE IS, IS AN UNDERSTATED APPROACH.
SO I COULD, I COULD SUPPORT THAT EITHER OF THOSE, EITHER DOING A, UH, CUT ASHLER OR LEAVING AS CONCRETE AS, AS COMMISSIONER GROUP HAS SUGGESTED.
WELL, THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TO VENEER IT WITH LIMESTONE TO MATCH WHAT WAS THERE.
CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
MR. COMMISSIONER S I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WAS THERE STAFF OR ANYBODY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE CONCRETE THAT WAS TAKEN OUT? YES, IT WAS CONCRETE.
YOU CAN, NO, BEFORE THE ONE THAT WAS BROKEN OUT, CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE, ONE 20 WESTLAND WOOD WHEN THE, WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WAS CONCRETE.
IT WAS CONCRETE WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE IMAGE THAT THAT SHOWS THE, THE MATERIAL AS THE, UM, THE
[01:10:01]
LIMESTONE ON THE SIDEWALL, THE, THE OLD IMAGE, RIGHT? IT, IT SEEMS THAT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE HOUSES RECEIVING, UH, UH, AN AESTHETIC UPGRADE, RIGHT? THAT, THAT CLEARLY THERE, THERE'S AN EFFORT HERE TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THE HOUSE TO LOOK EVEN, EVEN MORE CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF THROUGHOUT IT, IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A GOOD CROSSROADS OR I MEAN, A GOOD MEETING OF THE ROADS, I GUESS WOULD, WOULD BE FOR THE WALL TO BE MOST UNMATCHED WITH THE HOUSE IN TERMS OF THE LAY OF THE STONE AND THE TYPE OF STONE.BUT THAT THIS DARK PAVER WOULD REALLY BE A, A COMPLIMENTARY TO THE, THE OVERALL, UM, THE, THE AESTHETIC OF THE SPACE, LOOKING AT THE COLOR OF THE ROOF AND LOOKING AT THE, AT THE BLINDS THAT IN EFFECT THE RAW CONCRETE KIND OF BLEEDS OUT OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR WITHOUT HAVING A KIND OF A TERMINATING LINE.
AND IT COULD BE JUST THAT IT'S FRESH, NEW CONCRETE, RIGHT? IT'S SO WHITE, SO BRIGHT.
BUT IF, IF WE, WE KIND OF ADAPT OURSELVES TO SAYING, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND WHAT CAN AND WHAT CAN'T WITH RESPECT TO THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION.
BUT, BUT I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD, UM, ENHANCEMENT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HOUSE ITSELF TO ENABLE THE DARK STONE, BUT WITH THE WALL DONE FRESHLY AS IT WAS BEFORE THIS PROJECT RIGHT.
SO, UM, I, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION AS COMMISSIONER GROUP MADE IT, BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK COMMISSIONER GROUP TO CONSIDER THAT IF THE WALL GOES BACK TO THE WALL THAT IT WAS, BUT FRESHLY DONE WITH THE BLACK PAVER, PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING THAT THE CONCRETE'S BEEN POURED WITH THE STEP IN ALREADY AND IT'S ONLY GOING, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE LINE TERMINATES AT THE FENCE LINE.
SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT.
I THINK THAT THAT IT'LL, IT'LL OFFER A, A, A TERMINATING BUFFER ON THE, ON THE GROUND HORIZONTAL PLANE AND MAYBE COMPLETE THIS ASPECT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, I'M IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION IN PART BECAUSE IT IS A, IT'S NOT THAT FAR OF A DIVERGENT TO WHAT'S THERE NOW.
I MEAN, WHAT IS EXISTING, I WOULD BE, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF KEEPING THE WALL CONCRETE IF IT CAME DOWN TO THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT ORIGINALLY WAS.
BUT, UM, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT.
AND I WOULD CONCUR THAT WITH THAT, THAT, UH, I THINK STAFF HAS THIS CORRECT AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I MEAN, MAYBE JUST TO RESPOND TO COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ'S REQUEST.
UM, I WAS WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM OUR, THE COMMISSIONERS, I'M, I THINK WE'VE RARELY APPROVED THE PAVERS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IN MONTE VISTA.
AND I THINK WE'VE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE LINWOOD OR THE HOLLYWOOD ONE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMMONLY FOUND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON WHY, UM, I, I SEE THE PICTURES THAT WERE SUBMITTED FROM THE, FROM THE WEST HOLLYWOOD HOUSE, BUT I JUST, UH, I MEAN IN THIS CASE I'D SAY I WOULD BE MORE OPEN TO, YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULDN'T FAKE THE LIMESTONE, BUT IT WAS THERE.
SO I MEAN, I WOULD BE OPEN TO DO THAT IF THEY WANT SOME, LIKE, BUT I THINK YEAH, THE CONCRETE WOULD BE FINE WITH ME TOO.
SO I'M GONNA JUST KEEP THE MOTION AS IS.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
ITEM 16 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 27 1 0 8 SHRINER PLACE.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT BASED ON FINDINGS D N E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A CARPORT WITH A ROOF FORM SUBORDINATE TO THAT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, SPECIFICALLY ONE THAT IS SHORTER THAN THE PRIMARY ROOF, AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY
[01:15:01]
ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF A APPLICABLE.AND THAT APPLICANT, EUGENE REYES IS HERE.
AND THERE'S ONE LETTER ON FILE FOR COMMISSIONER REVIEW.
HOW YOU DOING? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO YOUR, UH, PREVIOUS PRESENTATION? UM, NO, I DON'T.
UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING IT, WOULD IT BE, UM, WOULD IT BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF WE WERE TO GET, UM, IF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WERE TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE, UM, THE WAY IF WE COULD GET LETTERS FROM ALL THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AGREEING WITH THE, UH, STRUCTURE, IF THAT WOULD BE ANY SIGNIFICANCE OR HELP WITH OUR CASE IN ANY WAY? IS THAT, I MEAN, WE, WELL, IT'S THE, YEAH.
IT'S THE OWNER'S AND THE APPLICANT'S PREROGATIVE TO, OR THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR, UH, COMMENTS FROM YOUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A LETTER FROM THE MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION SUPPORTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS.
SO THERE ARE, THEY ARE ALSO NEIGHBORS.
UM, POSSIBLY NOT IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
UM, MAY I GET A D R C SIDE VISIT REPORT COMMISSIONER? SURE.
UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN REMEMBER WHO ALL WAS THERE.
CERVANTES, UM, ZUKO WAS THERE.
I THINK WE HAD CONSERVATION SOCIETY MEMBER THERE.
WE HAD STAFF AND, UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER AS WELL.
AND, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE, UM, THE METAL STRUCTURE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER, THE OWNER WAS THERE ALONG WITH HIS PARTNER.
AND SO WE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
UH, IT, THERE WAS PROBABLY ONE OR TWO SUGGESTIONS MADE AS A WAY TO, UH, MODIFY THIS TO MAKE IT MORE IN KEEPING WITH STAFF'S REQUESTS AND WITH THE GUIDELINES.
UM, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT LAND USE AS IT RELATES TO SIDE SETBACKS ON THE PROPERTY AND, UM, ALSO BUILDING PERMIT CONVERSATION.
UM, ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE THERE, WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? YEAH, WHAT I NOTICED IS, IS EXACTLY AS SHE SAID, I I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, TAPPING ON THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF, IT IS OVER-ENGINEERED.
UM, BUT YES, UH, EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER SINO SAYS IS SHE HIT, HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
ON THIS, AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED THIS SITE VISIT WAS ALSO TO SEE HOW THIS ROOF INTERACTS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL HOME, RIGHT? AND, AND ALSO A PROMINENT ARCHITECT THAT WAS PART OF THIS HISTORY OF SAN ANTONIO.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WE WEREN'T LIGHT ON JUST MAKING A DECISION.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE PRESENT IS HOW DO YOU FEEL THIS ROOF, YOU KNOW, CON CONNECTS WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, WITH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE AND ALSO THE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET? I THINK THAT, UM, THERE WERE SOME, UH, VARIATIONS ON EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
'CAUSE WE WERE THERE AS INDIVIDUALS, UM, NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS OR APPROVALS.
AND SO FROM AESTHETIC, THERE'S A, THE FORM, THE HEIGHT, I THINK THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT IT WAS VERY HIGH, THE DEGREE TO WHICH IT INVADED ON THE ORIGINAL, I GUESS, VOLUME AND LAYOUT AND COMPOSITION FROM THE STREET.
WE HAD A VARIETY OF, UH, OF ANSWERS OR OPINIONS.
UM, BUT THAT, BUT THAT TOPIC IS WHAT INFORMED OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT MODIFYING IT.
ONE OF THE MOD, UH, MODIFICATION, UH, SUGGESTIONS WAS TO TAKE THE WALKWAY THAT, UM, RIGHT HAND PIECE AND DROP IT DOWN SO THAT, UM, THE MAIN HOUSE STILL PROMINENT AND LEGIBLE.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT MOVING THE WHOLE THING DOWN IN HEIGHT AS A WAY TO, UM, REINSTATE THE, THE VOLUMES OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THAT LEGIBILITY.
UM, SO I THINK AESTHETICALLY WE, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH IT.
I, I THINK AESTHETICALLY FROM MY STANDPOINT, IT WAS LIKE BLACK COMBAT BOOTS IN A TUXEDO.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA NOTICE THEM UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY GET A GOOD LOOK.
SO YOU, YOU, IT, IT DOESN'T JUMP OUT AT SOME OTHER CARPORTS THAT WE'VE SEEN OR SOME OTHER STRUCTURES THAT WE'VE SEEN ADDED TO HOUSES, UH,
[01:20:01]
WITHOUT A PERMIT OR WITHOUT FOLLOWING ANY DESIGN GUIDELINES.I MEAN, IT'S NOT TOO MUCH ABOVE THE HOUSE AND IT FOLLOWS THE LINE, BUT AGAIN, WE VARIED ON OUR OPINIONS ON THAT.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT PAINTED WHITE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT RAW ALUMINUM OR RAW STEEL COLORED.
IT'S ACTUALLY PAINTED TO MATCH, UM, THE LINES OF THE HOUSE.
THE OVERALL LINE ROOF LINE DOESN'T GET DISRUPTED TOO MUCH MM-HMM.
BUT I CAN SEE THE CONCERN THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IF IT'S AS BAD AS OTHER ONES WE'VE SEEN COMMISSIONER BAKER OR COMMISSIONER MAZUA OR MR. CHAIR AS WELL.
SO MY ONLY COMMENT WAS THAT THAT, UM, HALFWAY MEASURE OF LOW AIR LOWERING THE WALKWAY ROOF WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO SEPARATE IT FROM THE HOUSE OR MAKE THE HOUSE LOOK MORE PROMINENT.
BUT JUST THAT SECTION, I KNOW IT ENTAILS A LOT OF WORK, BUT, UM, HAD YOU GOTTEN A PERMIT, YOU MIGHT NOT BE IN THIS SITUATION.
AND TO, AND TO ECHO THAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WELL, IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE THING, IT, IT WOULD BE A LOT OF WORK BECAUSE THE MATERIALS USED MAYBE DON'T CORRESPOND WITH SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED IN THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BACK PORCH THAT BEAMING IN THAT THEY HAVE IN THE BACK ACTUALLY MATCHES WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THE FRONT AS FAR AS THICKNESS, UH, UH, UH, DURABILITY AND WHATNOT.
COMMISSIONER BAKER, UH, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
COMMISSIONER BAKER, YOU'RE, UH, MUTED.
UM, I WAS ON THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND, UM, STANDING UNDER THE STRUCTURE, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT'S VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED.
UH, AS THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOTED, IT'S VERY STURDY.
UH, THERE WAS A THOUGHTFUL ATTEMPT TO, TO MATCH THE COLORS AND THE SHAPE OF IT, I THINK IS, UH, IS INTENDED TO COMPLIMENT THE HOUSE.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE HOMEOWNER CHECKED WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT.
UM, BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, A AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN RELATION TO THE HOUSE, IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON PAGE 14 OF THE PACKET, THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT IT CLEARLY IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO THE ROOF.
BUT IF YOU GO TO PAGE 15, THE ONE THAT'S SHOWN RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU LOOK ACROSS THE WHOLE HOUSE, IT'S A VERY LONG LINEAR HOUSE.
UM, THEN YOU WOULD, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OR THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE THERE, THE PEAK OF THE, OF THE GABLE ROOF OF THE ONE SECTION, YOU COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT, THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT COMPLETELY OUT OF LINE.
BUT, BUT I DO THINK THAT, UH, SPECIFIC TO SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN MADE, THAT, AND, AND BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANTS AND THE OWNERS, THEY'RE ON THE SITE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO PARTICULAR FUNCTIONAL REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH ROOF ABOVE THE WALKWAY, THE SMALLER PORTION OF THAT ROOF.
AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY STATED THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO USE THAT.
THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE A MEETING AREA OR A SOCIAL AREA.
IT WAS JUST A PLACE TO WALK FROM THE COVERED PARKING TO THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, AND, AND SO I WOULD SUBMIT THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING THAT PORTION OF THE, UH, OF THE ROOF LOWERED AND THEN HAVING THE APPLICANT OBTAIN A, A, UH, VARIANCE, UH, THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE PARKING SECTION OF THAT, UH, OF THAT STRUCTURE SO THAT THEY COULD RETAIN THAT FOR USE WITH WHATEVER VEHICLE THEY'RE GONNA PARK HERE.
I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, THE APPLICANT A QUESTION.
UM, ARE, ARE THEY'RE AWARE THAT IT'S A, IT'S A O'NEILL FORD HOUSE, WERE THEY AWARE OF THAT? YES.
UM, YOU, YOU, MR. CHAIR, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAKE A MOTION, LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY, AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO THE CONVERSATION, DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
NOW, AT, AT THE, AT THE BASE ROOT OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? I MEAN, I KNOW EVERY PROJECT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO IS IMPORTANT TO, TO THEM, TO THE DEGREE THAT WELL, EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
RIGHT? AND I, I, I HO HOLD THAT VERY DEAR, AS I KNOW OTHER COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES HERE DOES AS WELL.
I KNOW, UM, ALTHOUGH THIS IS A PARTICULAR KIND OF A ARCHITECTURAL ARTIFACT, RIGHT? AND IT SETSS A STANDARD FOR ANY
[01:25:01]
DECISION THAT WOULD BE MADE THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE MADE IN SUCH A WAY SO AS NOT TO, TO DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF THIS, I WOULD THINK A $1.5 MILLION ARTIFACT, RIGHT? NO MATTER WHO OWNS IT, IT HAS A HIGH RESALE VALUE, WHICH IS IRRELEVANT, BUT, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF, BECAUSE IF IT WAS JUST ANOTHER HOUSE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HOLD THAT SAME VALUE.UM, BUT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY THAT YOU GO ABOUT DOING AN ADDITION TO A BUILDING LIKE THIS, LIKE SAY AN EQUIVALENT WOULD BE MAYBE THE RETA LIBRARY DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? THAT THESE DECISIONS HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL, WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE H D R C, RIGHT? WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS WHY YOU'RE HERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT TO ME, IT'S NOT SIMPLY JUST A MATTER OF THE, TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, NOT, NOT SIMPLY JUST A MATTER OF THE HEIGHT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PROPORTIONAL THAN JUST MAKE IT LOWER, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE FREEZE, THE, THE LEVEL OF THE FASCIA, UH, THE DIMENSION OF THE FASCIA, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS.
BUT ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UNDERSIDE OF IT, RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A SIMPLE TIN UNDERSIDE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SOFFIT WOULD BE, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT IS A MATTER OF AN EXISTING BUILDING AND THE DEFENSE OF THE INTEGRITY OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING, RIGHT? I CAN'T THINK OF A HIGHER STANDARD OR A BUILDING THAT, THAT DEMANDS, THAT IS LIKE YELLS AT US THAT SAYS, HEY, I'M A HIGHER STANDARD THAT WE WOULD TAKE MORE SERIOUSLY THAN AN, THAN AN O'NEILL FORD BUILDING, PERHAPS EVEN MORE SERIOUSLY THAN A VISITING ARCHITECT THAT DID A BUILDING IN SAN ANTONIO, RIGHT? SO, I'M, I'M CERTAIN THAT A SOLUTION CAN BE MADE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE THE PROPER SOLUTION.
AND, AND IT, AND IT, AND IT PAINS ME TO BE AGAINST SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE'S ALREADY DONE THAT'S ALREADY, UH, TAKEN A, A, A COST TO THEIR POCKET, RIGHT? BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT HITS AT THE ETHICS OF THE VERY CAUSE THAT WE HAVE HERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY FELLOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, YEAH, I, I JUST WANT TO ECHO THOSE COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS HOUSE IS A, IT'S A, A MONUMENT TO MINIMALISM.
AND MINIMALISM REQUIRES PRECISION, RIGHT? BECAUSE EVERY LITTLE AILMENT COUNTS AND THE LACK OF PRECISION, THE LACK OF THAT SORT OF CONSIDERATION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE FASCIA, THE MATERIALITY OF IT, THE ALIGNMENT WITH THIS EMPHATIC HORIZONTAL, UH, ROOF.
UH, FOR ME, THIS WOULD BE ONE THAT I'D WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE GUIDELINES IS WHAT NOT TO DO BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT GOES SO FAR FROM, UM, THE SPIRIT OF THE HOUSE THAT I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS, UM, TO BE CORRECTED.
AND I, I, I APPRECIATE THAT IT IS ROBUSTLY BUILT AND, UM, IT'S NOT A SHODDY CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT INTENDING TO BE OFFENSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I THINK THE, UH, THE RESULTANT HERE IS, IS JUST KIND OF AN, AN AFRONT TO A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, UH, PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER ANTES? YEAH, JUST, UH, I THINK COMMISSIONER, UH, SOMEBODY MENTIONED BRINGING DOWN ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE, UM, THE WALKWAY THERE.
AND, AND I, IF YOU COULD GO TO NUMBER, I THINK IT'S 13 AND TOGGLE MAYBE DOWN TO UP TO 14.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF BRINGING THAT WALKWAY DOWN WOULD MAKE THAT OTHER DRIVEWAY STAND OUT EVEN MORE, RIGHT? I, I, I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT IF, IF THAT WALKWAY CAME DOWN UNDERNEATH IT, THEN THAT FAR LEFT, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY MIGHT EVEN POP MORE AND MAKE IT LOOK LOPSIDED.
I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I KIND OF DON'T SEE IT AS THAT BAD IS BECAUSE OF THAT STAIR STEP EFFECT THAT MAKES IT KIND OF, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT BLEND IN WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
BUT I, I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS AND THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE, I THINK, BUT JUST KIND OF WANTED TO BRING THAT UP IS, IS WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LEFT THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAY AND WE BROUGHT DOWN THAT WALKWAY UNDERNEATH THE ROOF LINE, IT WOULD COMMISSIONER GRU.
AND, UM, IT WAS JUST, I, I REALLY WANTED THE SITE VISIT BECAUSE I THINK IT IS, I THINK COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S COMMENT IS, UM, IT IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO AN ICONIC HOUSE, AND I FEEL FOR THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T
[01:30:01]
PICK THE ARCHITECT OF HIS HOME, UH, BUT THERE IS A NEED FOR A CARPORT, RIGHT? AND, AND THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING THE OWNER HAS IN OUR LAST MEETING STATED THE NEED FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, COVER.SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ INSTEAD OF A DENAL ACTUALLY FOLLOW, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, BUT ACTUALLY LOWERING, I WOULD AGREE WITH, UM, THIS, AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS LOWERING ONE SIDE.
YEAH, BUT I THINK I, I, I'M MORE AGREEING WITH THE STAFF IS WE NEED TO LOWER IT ALL.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T DENY AN AN A NEED FOR THE CARPORT, UM, BECAUSE I, IT IS DETACHED FROM THE HOME.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT I THINK THE STAFF IS THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE LOWER THAN THE LEVEL, THE PITCH OF THE HOME.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ANSWER ON A POINT OF PERSONAL, UH, PERSONAL PRIVILEGE FOR YES, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ J JUST ON THE COMMENT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER JIMMY MADE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THAT SUBORDINATE IS BETTER, PERHAPS HIGHER WOULD BE BETTER.
THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE IS INTENTIONALITY.
NOW WITH RESPECT TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GRU'S, UH, COMMENT ON THAT, THAT A CARPORT IS NECESSARY, IT, IT'D BE EASY TO ARGUE ARGUING THE SAME TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT THE BARCELONA PAVILION NEEDS A CARPORT.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T BUY THAT BUILDING IF YOU KNEW THAT YOU NEEDED TO PUT A CARPORT ON IT.
SO, SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT THIS, THE, THE OWNERS KNEW THEY HAD AN O'NEILL FORD HOUSE, BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY TAKE THE HOUSE WITH THE INTENTION OF CHANGE YOU GET, BECAUSE IT STEPS BEYOND THE LEVEL OF A HOUSE AND ENTERS INTO THE REALM OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ART ARCHITECTURAL ARTIFACT, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL THING.
BUT MUCH LIKE I MENTIONED, ME'S BUILDINGS, THERE'RE PEOPLE THAT THEY DIE TO LIVE IN A MEESE HIGH-RISE IN CHICAGO UNTIL THEY GAIN THAT ABILITY TO LIVE IN THE MEESE HIGH-RISE.
AND THEN THE FIRST THING THEY WANNA DO IS MOVE OUT.
SO YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE AT SOME POINT THAT YOU'RE, YOU ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE RIGHT, SOMETHING CAN'T BE DONE RIGHT, BUT, BUT IT ALL HAS TO BE INTENTIONAL.
THE IDEA THAT THE ONLY PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THE HEIGHT IS NOT SUBORDINATE, IS IT'S NOT, UM, IT, IT'S FAR FROM THE MARK.
UH, AND, AND THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR THE TIME.
UM, I DO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GRU'S COMMENTS, AND YOU ACTUALLY, UM, INTRODUCED THE, THE THOUGHTS I WAS HAVING.
AND THAT IS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DENIAL AND THEN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? UM, I MEAN, OUR DENIAL, IS IT DENIAL FOR THE CASE OR WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED OR THE CARPORT IN GENERAL? SO I DO FEEL LIKE, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, UH, A PLACE FOR A CARPORT.
I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A PLACE FOR THE, FOR THE ARTIFACT THAT IS PRECIOUS.
AND THE ANSWER IS, UM, A CARPORT THAT IS DESIGNED IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENTION, THE O'NEILL FORD, UM, MATERIAL PALETTE, THE SEQUENCE OF VOLUMES AND OF FORMS. AND I THINK THERE'S AN ANSWER THERE.
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK AN ALL OUT DENIAL, BUT GETTING THAT, THAT THAT BIG HEAVY METAL THING LOWER IS A START.
SO I, UM, UM, ANYWAY, THAT'S, UM, BASICALLY MY THOUGHTS.
I THINK, UM, WHAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED IS, IS REASONABLE AS WELL AS THE MOTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ'S, UM, REASONING FOR PROPOSING THE DENIAL, UH, THE FACT THAT THIS IS A, UM, ICONIC LANDMARK HOUSE, THAT THE, UH, DESIGN OF ANYTHING TO IT NEEDS TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL AND BASED ON, UH, THE DESIGN AESTHETIC OF THE, UH, THE LANDMARK.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BAKER, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? COULD, COULD I, COULD I MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT? NO, NOTHING FURTHER FROM ME.
COULD I MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT? JUST A BRIEF.
UM, WE WERE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE THE TRIM ACTUALLY MATCH ALL IN THE, THE, WHERE THE, THE GUTTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH HAS BEEN PAINTED AND EVERYTHING IT WAS READY TO BE PUT ON.
[01:35:01]
WE, SINCE Y'ALL PUT A STOP PROJECT ON IT, THAT'S WHY WE STOPPED.BUT EVERYTHING WAS TO BE MATCHED TO THE HOUSE, TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE TO CHAIR? COMMISSIONER GIBBS WOULD LIKE A WORD.
SO, UM, I AGREE WITH MOST OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHEN IT COMES TO THE CARPORT, THAT THE, THE OVERALL HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE LOWERED, UM, IN THERE.
AND I'M NOT NEGATING THE NECESSITY FOR THE CARPORT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE LOWERED.
AND WHAT STAFF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THIS, RIGHT.
AND I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM AND I, UM, WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU CALL THE, THE VOTE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.
UH, DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CAN'T REALLY TALLY TELL WHICH WAY THIS VOTE'S GONNA GO, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT TO THE OWNER AND TO, TO, TO YOURSELF, SIR.
AND I THINK IT'S, UM, UH, TRINITY UNIVERSITY HAS, UM, UH, IT'S PRIMARILY, UH, O'NEILL FORD BUILDING.
AND THERE'S A MODERN ADDITION TO IT THAT I THINK IS A ROBERT STERN, RIGHT? ROBERT STERN.
THESE ARE TWO FANTASTIC ARCHITECTS, RIGHT? AND STERN, IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE, THE WALKWAY, IT HAS THESE TALL COLUMNS.
THEY'RE CLEARLY OUT OF A, THEY'RE CLEARLY A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, BUT THESE TWO BUILDINGS GO TOGETHER VERY WELL.
AND I WOULD DIRECT THE YOURSELF AND THE OWNER TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BUILDING.
'CAUSE IF THERE ARE ALTERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO IT, WHICH IS NOT FAR FROM WHAT YOU'RE DOING USING THAT, THAT, THAT LANGUAGE.
'CAUSE IT'S STEEL AND THAT RED BRICK.
RIGHT? AND IT'S THE SAME ARCHITECT.
IT'S JUST THE, THE, THE GUY THAT DID THE ADDITIONS.
YEAH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION.
CAN THE MAKER OF THE MOTION REITERATE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THAT MOTION IS? IT'S A MOTION TO DENY.
DENY THE CARPORT OR THE RECOMMENDATION? WELL, IT'S TO DENY THE CARPORT.
YEAH, TO DENY THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS EVERYTHING.
SO DENY, SO THAT MOTION, THEN THEY WOULD, I WANT, WANNA UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
THEY WOULD COME BACK WITH DRAWINGS AND REQUEST AGAIN, PRESENT THEMSELVES THEIR PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD.
AND, AND I WOULD SUGGEST PRIOR TO TAKE, PRIOR TO MAKING ANY CHANGES, LIKE DON'T, DON'T TAKE WHAT YOU'VE GOT DOWN IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT MAKE THE ALTERATIONS WITHIN THE CONTEXT IF YOU CAN, WITH WHAT'S ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.
BUT IF YOU CAN'T, WELL THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM.
AND THE, THE REASON, THE REASON BEING, AND I WANT TO KINDA SHARE THIS WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER IS BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A, A VERY LIBERAL, UM, APPROVAL ON THE TABLE HERE BY THE STAFF, WHICH I, I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF.
SO I'M NOT SAYING, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING TO DO IS GO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT, IT APPEARS THAT WITHIN WHAT YOU'VE DONE ARE THE BONES OF SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MINIMIZE THE ALTERATIONS.
THAT'S WHY GOING AND LOOKING AT TRINITY UNIVERSITY, THE WAY THAT THEY DID THAT ADDITION TO THAT O'NEILL FORD BUILDING, IT MIGHT SHARE SOME WISDOM WITH YOU AND, AND IN THE END, THE OWNER WOULD BE ALL THE MORE HAPPY, RIGHT? IT'S, THIS IS NOT TO HURT ANYBODY.
UH, BUT, UM, IN ORDER TO GET THERE, I THINK IT NEEDS A DENIAL.
CAN STAFF CLARIFY THAT? A DENIAL.
SO IF DENIED, UM, BASICALLY THE CONDITION WOULD HAVE TO BE RETURNED TO HOW IT WAS PRIOR TO WORK BEGINNING, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION WITH AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD A A STRUCTURE STILL CONTINUE TO BE PROPOSED HERE.
BUT AN ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL IS NOT JUST LOWERING THE HEIGHT IT'S COM IT HAS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT.
THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE THE, UM, THE ABILITY TO CONSIDER A, A REVISED REQUEST.
SO IT WOULD COME LIKE FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT? THEY'D PRESENT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, WHATEVER, WELL, YOU ALL WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE IF IT'S CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY ENOUGH AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PREVIOUS FEEDBACK IN ORDER TO CONSIDER IT.
UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
AND TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS SAYING, I THINK THE, THE CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE HERE REQUIRE THE KIND OF PRECISION THAT SHOULD HAVE A FULLY THOUGHT OUT DESIGN.
SO THAT'S WHY I CAN'T JUST SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS OUTRIGHT BECAUSE I THINK IT JUST NEEDS SOME MORE THOUGHTFULNESS, UM, TO IT.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DENIAL IS THE BETTER COURSE OF VALOR HERE TO GET US TO A BETTER SOLUTION IN THE END.
COMMISSIONER BAKER HAS HIS HAND RAISED.
[01:40:02]
THANK YOU.YOU KNOW, THINK THINKING ABOUT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IT AMOUNTS TO THE SAME THING AS THE DENIAL BECAUSE THAT STRUCTURE IS SO LARGE AND SO HE HEAVY THAT YOU CAN'T JUST TRIM IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, CUT THE, CUT THE BOTTOMS OFF THE LEGS AND LOWER IT.
YOU HAVE TO COMPLETELY CUT THAT APART, UH, PERHAPS EVEN USING A CRANE, UH, TO HOLD THE STEEL.
AND, AND SO I WOULD SUBMIT THAT, THAT, UH, IF, IF, AND, AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY AT LEAST 90 TO 95% COMPLETE TOO.
SO I THINK THAT THAT IS WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO I THINK THAT IF, IF THE BOARD IS NOT AN APPROVAL OF, OF THIS STRUCTURE, THAT THEN WE SHOULD DIRECT THAT IT BE TAKEN DOWN, UH, QUITE HONESTLY.
UM, AND, AND, UH, AND I FEEL REALLY BAD FOR THE HOMEOWNERS BECAUSE, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE BUYING WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GOT THIS HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE HOME DISCLOSURE IT, IT SAID, YOU KNOW, WHO THE ARCHITECT WAS AND, AND ALL OF THE, THE STIPULATIONS FOR DOING RENOVATIONS IN A HISTORIC AREA.
I, I DON'T, I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING, BUT I DO FEEL BAD BECAUSE, UH, THIS REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT COST, UM, TO MODIFY.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST SHARE THAT I, I THINK ULTIMATELY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND DENIAL ARE THE SAME THING, BUT I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO, TO NOT BE AMBIGUOUS, UH, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, THEN IT SHOULD BE DISAPPROVED.
AND I'D LIKE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO THE APPLICANT CAN GET WITH STAFF FOR, FOR NEXT STEPS.
AGENDA ITEM 17, ITEM 17 ON THE AGENDA, H C R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 0 3 2001 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND DETACHED GARAGE, INCLUDING UNPAINTED, BRICK AND STONE.
CLADDING STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REQUEST TO PAINT THE UN UNPAINTED BRICK AND STONE CLADDING BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E.
AND I AM NOT SURE, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF? I'M NOT SURE.
I'M THE CONTRACTOR ON THE PROJECT.
UM, OUR WISH WAS NOT TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR, BUT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THREE OR FOUR AREAS OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS FALLING OFF.
SO WE HAVE TO BASICALLY REHAB ALL THE BRICKWORK TO ITS ORIGINAL PLACE AND ITS ORIGINAL SIZE.
SO WE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT COLORS ON THE STONES AND IT WAS AN EYESORE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BASICALLY, UH, IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE, UH, NEXT DOOR TO IT.
UM, THREE HOUSES DOWN THE SAME COLOR AND THE SAME TRIM.
AND WE'RE HERE BASICALLY, UH, UH, TO TELL YOU GUYS THAT, UH, THE HOUSE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT READY.
UM, THE OWNER IS A NAVY VETERAN WHO IS READY TO MOVE IN, UH, WITH HIS WIFE.
UM, THE HOUSE IS BEING BROKEN INTO A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN EMPTY, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT READY FROM THE INSIDE.
UH, THE ONLY THING HOLDING, UM, THE COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST A YEAR IS BASICALLY THE PAINT OF THE EXTERIOR AND THE, UH, SHINGLES ON THE ROOF, WHICH IS BASICALLY GONNA BE REPLACED WITH THE SAME EXACT, UH, SHINGLES, UM, BUT, UH, BLACK COLOR, UH, ON THE APPLICATION.
AND I THINK THAT WAS GRANTED AS WELL ON THE, UH, SHINGLES.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H C R C CASE 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 3 ADDRESS, 2001 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY.
MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE M P N A ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE APPRECIATE THE OWNER OF 2001 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY E I D INVESTMENT, TEXAS L L C, SEEKING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2001 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY AND
[01:45:01]
INVEST IN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.WE NOTE THE WORK SUBMITTED IN THIS H D R C APPLICATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND INFLICTED SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE MASONRY ELEMENTS OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME AND THE DETACHED GARAGE.
THIS CORNER HOME AND DETACHED GARAGE IS SITUATED ON A CORNER LOT WITH THE SOUTHEAST AND NORTH ELEVATIONS OF EACH STRUCTURE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO OVERSEE AND MONITOR THE REMOVAL PROCESS FOR THE PAINT ON THE HOME.
AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS TRADITIONAL PAINT REMOVAL METHODS MAY FURTHER UNDERMINE THE MASONRY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE HOME DURING ANY REMOVAL PROCESS.
WE NOTE, WHILE AN ADMINISTRATIVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WOULD ADDRESS PAINT ON THE WOODEN FEATURES OF THE HOME, WE ASK THAT THE STICK WORK ON THE GABLES BE PAINTED A CONTRASTING COLOR TO THAT OF THE HOME.
THESE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND DETAIL OF THE HOME SHOULD BE CELEBRATED.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS PROPERTY BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE AT HIS AS IT HAS DRAWN A SIGNIFICANT ATTENTION IN THE HISTORIC.
UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, COMMISSIONER? UM, JUST A QUESTION IS, UM, I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR, SO I DROVE BY IT.
ANY PLANS, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT IN THIS PURVIEW OR ANYTHING, BUT IT MIGHT AFFECT ANY PLANS ON FOUNDATION TO STRAIGHTEN THE FRONT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT'S LEANING REALLY BAD, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S THE, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL WAY THE STRUCTURE WAS BUILT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LEANING, BUT IT'S NOT.
THE WAY THEY BUILT WAS TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STONES.
THEY HAD ACTUAL ROUND STONES IN THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUSE, THEN THEY CONTINUED WITH THE RED BRICK ALL THE WAY UP.
SO FOUNDATION WISE, IT'S ALL GREAT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY WORK IN THE FUTURE FOR FOUNDATION? NO.
IT'S JUST THE AGE OF THE STONES AND THE BRICK WAS DETERIORATING, SO WE HAD TO RESTORE IT.
MR. CHAIR QUESTION FOR STAFF? YES.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? UH, NOW MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OUR PURVIEW WOULD BE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE PAINT MATERIAL ON THE STONE, BUT NOT THE COLOR OF THE PAINT, RIGHT? YES.
STAFF TYPICALLY DOESN'T DICTATE THE COLORS PAINTED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
UM, SO HERE WE'RE, THE WOOD ELEMENTS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR STAFF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT STAFF TYPICALLY DOES NOT RECOMMEND PAINTING PREVIOUSLY UNPAINTED BRICK OR MASONRY.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE, THE PHYSICAL PAINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, NOT THE COLOR OF THE PAINT.
THE, THE REASON I ASK IS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, AND, AND THAT, THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THE COMMENT THAT WAS JUST READ TO US TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR PURVIEW, ONLY WITH RESPECT TO THE PAINT OF THE STONE.
I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
SO VIOLATION CASES ALWAYS CATCH MY ATTENTION BECAUSE I, UM, I HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING HOW OR WHY YOU WOULD MAKE DECISIONS ON THE PROPERTY KNOWING THAT YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC AREA, KNOWING THAT THIS HISTORIC HOME.
SO HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS BECAUSE I, I, I UNDERSTAND SOMEONE WHO MOVED INTO THE AREA FIVE MINUTES AGO AND NEVER TALKED TO ANYONE OR DIDN'T LOOK AT A MAP OR DIDN'T TALK TO THEIR REALTOR OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
CAN YOU HELP ME? CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THAT? YES, SIR.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, UH, WHEN WE START WORKING ON THE PROPERTY IS NOT TO ALTER OR ADD OR CHANGE ANY WINDOWS OR DOORS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.
WE RESTORED THE ACTUAL WINDOWS WHO ARE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, UH, PAINTING, UH, WOULD BASICALLY BE OUR LAST RESOURCE.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE HAD TO GET A PERMIT ON THE PAINT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ANYTHING STRUCTURAL OR ANYTHING MAJOR OR ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING.
HAD I KNOWN THAT, UH, PAINTING, IT WILL, UH, BASICALLY, UH, BRING US TO, UH, THIS PLACE.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAINT IT, BUT IT WAS AN EYESORE WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT COLORS.
IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL COLOR THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE IS WHITE COLOR ON THE STONE, BUT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT CEMENTS AND ELEMENTS AND ALL THE DETERIORATION OF THE STONES THAT WE HAD TO ACTUALLY RESTORE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLACE, IT WAS SO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES.
[01:50:01]
PAINTED BEFORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.SO THE ONLY SOLUTION TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD AND DECENT, BECAUSE THE WHOLE HOUSE IS ALREADY, UH, DONE INSIDE, IS BASICALLY, UH, PAINTED ONE COLOR, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT.
AND, UH, THE SAME, UH, THE SAME, UH, WHITE TRIM ON IT.
BUT IT WASN'T LIKE A WEIRD COLOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, OUR INTENTION IN THE BEGINNING, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PAINT IT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE AGE AND THE, THE SHAPE AND THE, UH, DETERIORATION OF THE STONE THAT WE HAD TO RESTORE BACK WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT CEMENT COLORS, AND IT WAS KIND OF PRE-PAINTED ON CERTAIN PARTS OF THE HOUSE AS WELL.
SO THAT WAS THE ONLY SOLUTION WE HAD.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, DOING ANYTHING WITHOUT THE PERMIT, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT, UH, PAINTING IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE, UH, WE, WE BASICALLY OBTAINED, UH, A PERMIT ON THE PROPERTY AND, UH, WE BASICALLY CHANGED THE WHOLE ELECTRIC SYSTEM INSIDE AND WE PULLED THE PERMIT ON THAT AS WELL.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN I CAME IN AND I ASKED THE, UH, LADY IN THE FRONT DESK THAT, UH, NOTHING WILL BE REMOVED, NO WINDOWS, NO DOORS, WHICH WE RELIGIOUSLY FOLLOWED, UM, WE RESTORED EVERYTHING TO ORIGINAL, UH, SIT, UH, STATED IT WAS, BUT THE PAINT, WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO PAINT IT BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH AN EYESORE AFTER THE, UH, REPAIR OF THE BRICK AND THE STONE IN THERE.
AND KEEP IN MIND ALSO, IT WAS TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT TYPE OF STONES THAT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH.
ON THE BOTTOM PART, ALMOST TWO FEET TO THREE FEET WAS THE ACTUAL ROUND BOULDER STONES.
AND THEN, UH, ONE SIDE OF IT HAVE ALSO SMALLER STONES.
AND THEN THEY FOLLOWED UP WITH THE, UH, TRADITIONAL BRICK AND A LOT OF THEM WERE FALLING OFF.
DID YOU, UH, RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FROM STAFF FOR PAINTING THE WOODWORK AND FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE, THE ROOF WITH A SIMILAR ROOF? I GOT AN EMAIL, UH, REGARDING THE ROOF TO REPLACE IT WITH EXISTING SHINGLE WITH THE SAME SHINGLES ON BLACK.
UM, I'M HERE, UH, TO GET YOUR APPROVAL ON THE PAINT, UH, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, UM, IT, IT BE LIKE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE THE ACTUAL PAINT THAT SOAKED INTO THE ACTUAL STONE.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE PERMISSION.
IF I HAVE A QUESTION, SIR, IF YOU COULD GO TO NUMBER NINE.
PAGE NUMBER NINE, SIR, CAN YOU TELL ME IF YOU ZOOM IN ON THE, START WITH NUMBER NINE, WHAT IS TAPED OFF ON THAT FOR THE PAINTING? DID YOU TAPE OFF THE PYLONS? DID YOU TAPE OFF THE, ANYTHING THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? UH, YOU MEAN THE, THE TAPE ON TOP? NO.
WHEN, WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PAINT YOUR MASK AND YOU TAPE OFF STUFF THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET PAINTED UHHUH, ANY TRIM, WHAT'S TAPED OFF RIGHT THERE? UH, IT WAS JUST THE, UH, SIDE OF THE WINDOW, THE ORIGINAL WINDOW.
SO THE GUTTERS ARE NOT TAPED OFF GUTTERS.
THAT'S THE COLOR THAT THEY ARE? YES, SIR.
ONE, THE, THE, THE GUTTERS AND THE, THE, UH, TRIM WILL BE PAINTED WHITE.
THE TRIM IS WHITE, WHICH IS TO MATCH THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
BUT THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PAINT TO BASICALLY MAKE IT ALL LOOK UNIFIED.
AND THEN WE WERE GONNA DO THE DETAILED WORK, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE LIVE TRIM.
AND IF YOU, IF I'LL CONTINUE ON, SIR, IF YOU GO TO NUMBER NINE.
ARE THE WINDOWS TAPED OFF OR ARE THEY GONNA BE, IS YOUR INTENT TO PAINT THEM A DIFFERENT COLOR? NO, JUST THE TRIM WILL BE PAINTED WHITE.
AND THE UTILITIES, UH, SUPPORT PIPES WAS A UTILITY.
SUPPORT WILL BE THE SAME COLOR, THE GRAY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SO RUSTY AND LIKE THE AGE OF THE HOUSE IS, IS VERY OLD.
SO IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN, UH, EYESORE.
LIKE A LOT OF 'EM WERE DIFFERENT MATERIALS, DIFFERENT COLORS, DIFFERENT, UH, RUST IN THEM AS WELL.
ARE THEY STILL SERVICEABLE? YEAH, THEY'RE STILL WORKING PERFECTLY.
THAT'S ALL THAT HAVE MR. CHAIR.
SO ON YOUR PERMIT EVENT, AGAIN, BACK TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APP MM-HMM.
WAS THAT INCLUDED IN THAT APPROVAL? WELL, THE WINDOWS WERE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
WE JUST BASICALLY SANDED THEM OUT AND, UM, SOME BROKEN GLASS.
WE JUST REPLACED IT WITH REGINALD, BUT THEY WERE ALL WORKING CONDITION.
I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO THE FACT, THE QUESTION OF WHETHER, UH, YOURSELF AND THE OWNER KNEW THAT THIS WAS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THAT IT NEEDED TO BE AN APPLICATION NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED TO OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR ANY REPAIR, UM, EVEN REPAIR WORK OR MAINTENANCE WORK ON THE HOUSE, UH, AS, OR UNDERSTANDING WAS, UM, NOT TO DO ANY ADDITIONS OR CHANGE ANY WINDOWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING, BUT HONESTLY KNOWING ABOUT THE PAINT, WE HAD NO IDEA.
[01:55:01]
OKAY.AND I HATE TO DO A MOTION THAT'S SIMILAR TO ONE THAT WE JUST HAD, BUT, UM, I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE.
AND, UH, JUST IF I MAY, JUST THE REASONING YES.
I MEAN, UH, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY ADDITIONAL WORK OR IF YOU KNEW OR NOT.
I, WE HAVE EVERY, I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT ON YOU JUST DON'T PAINT HISTORIC BREAK.
UH, I THINK THERE'S OPTIONS OUT THERE, AND I THINK THERE WAS OPTIONS YOU, YOU COULD HAVE DONE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING PAINTING BRICK.
UM, TO ME IT'S, IT'S, I I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER SOLUTION THAT IT, IT IS JUST, YOU CANNOT PAINT BRICK.
IT'S, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THIS? EVEN THOUGH MM-HMM.
I THINK IT WAS PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK, UM, YOU GOT THE LIMESTONE.
WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S, THIS HOUSE HAS SO MUCH CHARACTER AND I THINK IT WAS PART OF THAT, I DON'T THINK IT'S AESTHETIC REASON.
I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T ACCEPT AN AESTHETIC REASON MORE LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
AND A NON PAINTING AND, AND JUST PAINTING BRICK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ORIGINAL HOME IS JUST SOMETHING THAT I, I I'M CANNOT ACCEPT.
SO THAT'S WHY I'LL, THAT'S WHY I DID THIS MOTION.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE YOUR SUGGESTION TO BE, UM, BECAUSE THE STONE ALREADY SOAKED UP ALL THE PAINT.
WELL, IF, IF THE MOTION PASSES AND PAINTING IS DENIED, THEN UH, YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UM, POTENTIAL PAINT STRIPPING.
UM, BUT UH, YOU COULD WORK WITH STAFF AND GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THEM.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA DISCOLOR THE ORIGINAL STONE, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AESTHETIC OF NATURE.
JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW THE MOTION GOES AND THEN OKAY.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, JUST ONE GOVERNOR, UH, SINCE I SECONDED THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AND, AND TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUPS, UH, COMMENTS THAT THE CHARACTER OF THIS PARTICULAR STYLE, WHICH IS, UM, TUDOR REVIVAL IS ONE THAT WAS ROOTED IN A SENSE OF CRAFTSMANSHIP.
AND IN, UM, SORT OF A RETURNING TO, UH, A, A MORE SIMPLER TIMES.
IT WAS LOOKING BACK TO, UH, LATE MEDIEVAL TIMES.
AND IT, THEY INTENDED FOR THIS TO HAVE A RUSTIC QUALITY TO IT, TO HAVE A VARIATION IN COLOR IN BOTH THE STONE AND IN THE BRICK.
AND SO THIS WAS A VERY IMPORTANT CHARACTER FLYING FEATURE THAT SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN RESTORED WITH A, A GOOD MASON WORKING ON REPOINTING, UH, THE, THE, THE BRICK IN THE STONE, NOT TRYING TO CONCEAL AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE.
AND WHILE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT OR HAVE THE VENUE, THE HAVE THE VENUE FOR TALKING ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE PAINT PAINTING, ALL OF THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, ONE COLOR IS ALSO NOT UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THIS PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE INTENDED TO BE ELEMENTS THAT ARE FEATURED.
ONCE AGAIN, TALKING TO THAT CRAFT TRADITION, THE HANDMADE TRADITION THAT, UH, IN THE LATE, UH, VICTOR AND EARLY MODERN PERIOD WAS SLOWLY DYING OUT.
WE HAVE AMAZING MASONS HERE IN THIS CITY THAT COULD RESTORE THIS AND UM, AND THEN CAN TAKE THAT PAINT OFF AS WELL.
SO, UH, THERE ARE, UH, CLEAN METHODS AS BEEN SUGGESTED ALREADY THAT WILL, UH, NOT FURTHER DAMAGE THE STONE AND THE BRICK.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL BE, UH, PURSUED.
OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMISSIONER.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND GROUP UNDER THIS PAINT IS A FANTASTIC HOUSE.
NOW I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE VERY, VERY STRONG CHARACTER OF THIS STYLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THE, UM, MONTICELLO PARK SO EXCEPTIONAL.
IT IS JUST THIS INCREDIBLE COLLECTION.
MAYBE ONE HOUSE IS NOT MORE, MORE SPECIAL OR MORE FANTASTIC THAN THE NEXT, BUT IT'S THAT COLLECTION OVER THERE THAT IS JUST INCREDIBLE.
BAKER, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? AYE.
[02:00:01]
FETZER.SO I CALLED IN, THE PERSON SAID IT WAS THE WRONG NUMBER.
SIR, WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
ITEM 18 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 58 2 0 2 CAMARGO.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO EXPAND THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH.
REPLACE NON HISTORIC ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOUSE WITH ONE WITH WOOD, ONE OVER ONE AND WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS.
REMOVE VINYL SIDING ON THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOUSE AND REFINISH THE WOOD LAP SIDING BENEATH, UH, DEMOLITION OF A REAR ADDITION CONSTRUCTION.
CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE REAR AND SOUTHEAST SIDES OF THE HOUSE.
REPLACE EXISTING FULL WITH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH DRIVABLE PAVERS AND GRAVEL AND REPLACE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A PICKET FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM ONE, EXPANDING THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH BASED ON FINDING B.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACEMENT OF NON HISTORIC ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOUSE WITH WOOD ONE OVER ONE AND WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING C.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, REMOVING VINYL SIDING ON THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOUSE AND REFINISHING THE WOOD LAP SIDING BENEATH BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT ANY WOOD SIDING THAT REQUIRES REPAIR OR PARTIAL REPLACEMENT BE REPLACED WITH SIDING THAT MATCHES THE EXISTING WOOD IN STYLE AND DIMENSIONS FOR THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOME.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, DEMOLITION OF A REAR ADDITION BASED ON FINDING E STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION TO THE REAR AND SOUTHEAST SIDES OF THE HOUSE BASED ON FINDINGS J AND K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ROOF FORM THAT CONFORMS TO THE GUIDELINES.
GUIDELINES, NAMELY RETENTION OF THE SIDE GABLED FORM AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT TRANSITIONS INTO A FLAT ROOF AT THE REAR, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOWS FOR.
THE ADDITION THAT MATCH THE WINDOWS PROPOSED FOR THE HISTORIC CORE AND SIZE AND DIMENSIONS THAT THE APPLICANT USE CEMENT BOARD SIDING WITH THE SAME EXPOSURE AS FOUND ON THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOUSE.
AND UTILIZE A TRIM PIECE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OLD AND NEW STAFF.
RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY WITH DRIVABLE PAVERS AND GRAVEL BASED ON FINDING L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APRON NOT EXCEED 12 FEET WIDE AT THE FLARE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A PICKET FENCE BASED ON FINDING M WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FENCE BE WOOD TRANSPARENT AND NO TALLER THAN FOUR FEET.
AND I HAVE THE APPLICANT DAVID HANNON HERE IN PERSON AND NO VOICEMAILS OR LETTERS FOR THIS ONE.
I'M WITH FISHER HACK ARCHITECTS.
I'M REPRESENTING THE CLIENT AND THE OWNER AT THIS ON THIS CASE.
AND OVERALL WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH MOST OF THE STIPULATIONS, UM, BY STAFF.
WE JUST HAVE A, AN EXCEPTION ON TWO OF 'EM AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE DENIAL COMMENT.
UM, LASTLY, BUT UM, SPECIFICALLY ITEM NUMBER FIVE, UM, THE STIPULATION NUMBER ONE AND TWO.
SO NUMBER TWO REGARDING THE WINDOWS ON THE NEW ADDITION MATCHED THE SIZE OF THE WINDOWS ON THE, UM, ORIGINAL HOUSE.
UM, SO THE NEW WINDOWS BEING PROPOSED, UM, THEY'RE THE SAME HEIGHT, THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT NARROWER AND THAT'S MAINLY BECAUSE THOSE WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE IN A BEDROOM AND IF THEY WERE ANY, THEY'RE BASICALLY ON EACH SIDE OF A BED.
AND SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH THE FURNITURE THAT'S GONNA BE GOING INTO THOSE ROOMS. BUT THEY'RE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, SO WE ARE KEEPING THE HEIGHT THE SAME.
UH, THEY'RE JUST NOT AS WIDE AS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS OR WHAT THE NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE GOING BACK IN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
ITEM NUMBER OR STIPULATION NUMBER ONE.
UM, REGARDING THE ROOF LINE OF THE ADDITION, UM, WE, WE DO FEEL LIKE THE SIMPLE GABLE ROOF FOR THE ADDITION IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HOUSE.
UM, IT'S ALSO GONNA ALLOW US TO EASILY UNIFY THE HOUSE WITH, UM, AN AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM, UM, WHEREAS A FLAT ROOF IS GONNA CAUSE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.
FOR US, WE ARE SIMPLIFYING THE FASCIA IN THE SOFFIT OF THE NEW ROOF, SO THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF OUR DIFFERENTIATOR, YOU COULD SAY, UM, BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL ROOF AND THE, UH, THE ADDITION ROOF.
AND THEN, UH, REGARDING THE FRONT PORCH EXPANSION.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE SUBMITTED TWO SOLUTIONS, UM, FOR THIS.
ORIGINALLY THE HOMEOWNER WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND
[02:05:01]
THE FRONT PORCH BASICALLY TO THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE.UM, THE HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR, UM, I DUNNO IF WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT IS, IS A VERY SIMILAR STYLE AND SIZE OF HOUSE AND IT WAS RECENTLY REMODELED AND IT HAS A PORCH THAT'S BASICALLY THE, THE WIDTH OF THE FULL OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND SO WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO GO BACK WITH SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, BUT AS A, AS A, AS A COMPROMISE, WE DID, UM, WE DID PROPOSE A SMALLER PORCH.
UM, WE RECOGNIZED THAT IT IS SHOWN VERY CLEARLY ON THE SANBORN MAPS AS BOTH THESE HOMES HAD SMALLER PORCHES ORIGINALLY, BUT, UM, SOMEHOW THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, GOT AWAY WITH PUTTING IN A LARGER PORCH ON, ON THEIR PROJECT.
BUT, UH, AS A COMPROMISE, WE DID PROPOSE THIS AS A, AS ANOTHER SOLUTION WHERE WE ARE EXPANDING THE WIDTH OF THE PORCH JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY A MORE THAN, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A, A FOOT IN TOTAL.
IT'S REALLY JUST SO WE CAN RECL THE FRONT PORCH WITH SIDING INSTEAD OF JUST LEAVING IT AS CONCRETE.
WE'RE ALSO RAISING THE HEIGHT, SO IT'S A, UM, IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE ELEVATION OF THE FLOOR OF THE FLOOR, SO IT'S NOT SUCH A HUGE DROP OFF FROM THE FRONT STEP, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO THE PORCH.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER GRU, UH, YOU MENTIONED THE TWO WINDOWS IN THE BEDROOM, BUT I ALSO THINK STAFF IS CONCERNED BY THE WINDOWS, UM, ON THAT, YEAH.
SOUTH ELEVATION, WOULD YOU ADDRESS THOSE? AND I GUESS ALSO ON THE WEST ELEVATION, RIGHT? NO, UH, SOUTH CLARIFY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ON THE, ON THE EAST ELEVATION? YOU MENTIONED THE TWO BY THE BEDROOM.
AND THEN ON THE WEST ELEVATION, 'CAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE ADDITION AS WELL, I'M ASSUMING THOSE WINDOWS ALSO NON-CONFORMING.
SO THE, THE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION, THOSE ARE EACH IN BATHROOMS. AND SO PUTTING A LARGE WINDOW, THE SIZE OF THE ONES WE HAVE ON THE MAIN HOUSE REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IN A SHOWER.
UM, AND IN OUR OPINION, SO, UM, THEY ARE, THEY ARE SMALLER, UM, JUST BASICALLY FOR THAT REASON.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE PLAN, INTERIOR PLAN.
AM I LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT ONE? SO ONE, THE TWO SMALLER WINDOWS.
ONE IS, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE BATHTUB IS, UM, IN THAT BATHROOM WAS, AND THEN THE OTHER SMALLER WINDOW IS RIGHT ABOVE THE TOILET.
UM, I SEE THE SIDE PORCH WAS WHAT CONFUSING ME 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE, OKAY, SO IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE HOME.
MR. CHAMBER, COMMISSIONER SINA, UH, THANK YOU, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF THE DESCRIPTION AS WELL.
AS, LET'S SEE, YEAH, THE DESCRIPTION AND FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATIONS REFER TO CASEMENT WINDOWS.
CAN YOU TELL US WHERE THOSE ARE? I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, WINDOWS SCHEDULE.
I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A CARRYOVER NOTE.
UM, THE, WELL, THE RESTROOM WINDOWS, I THINK WE'RE CALLING MAYBE AS FIXED WINDOWS, BUT, UM, THEY COULD BE CASEMENT IF THE OWNER, UM, COULD BE OPERABLE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SOME WAY, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH AN AWNING OR A HOPPER TYPE ACTION TOO.
THAT CASEMENT NOTE IS JUST SORT OF IRRELEVANT, PERHAPS JUST INCORRECT.
AND ANY STAFF, ANY INFORMATION ON THE AGE OF THE PORCH, BOTH THE SLAB AS WELL AS THE COVERING AND THE SUPPORTS FOR THAT PORT FRONT PORCH.
I DON'T HAVE DATES FOR THOSE MODIFICATIONS, BUT THE FOOTPRINT MATCHES WHAT'S ON SANBORN.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, YOU WANNA REMOVE THE EXISTING CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND PUT IN A DRIVABLE PAVERS IN DG? DO WE HAVE MATERIALS SELECTIONS FOR THOSE? WE HAVE A CONCRETE PAVER, UM, PRODUCT THAT'S, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE GONNA USE.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A OPEN PAVER, UM, THAT HAS GRAVEL, UM, THAT FITS INSIDE.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A DONUT, YOU COULD SAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
[02:10:01]
I, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.I, UH, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE, UM, PROPOSAL AS PRESENTED, UH, WITH ALL THE STAFF STIPULATIONS.
UH, AND THAT ON THE, THE FIRST, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT WE APPROVE IT BASED ON WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON YOUR MOTION? CAN I JUST CLAR YEAH.
GET A CLARIFICATION BECAUSE YOU SAY AS PRESENTED, BUT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, THERE'S SOME OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT AGREEING WITH ITEM ONE.
LET ME, LET ME ELABORATE THEN ON ITEM NUMBER ONE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT JUST NOW, WITH THE EXPANSION OF APPROXIMATELY ONE FOOT ON EACH SIDE AND THE STAIRS GOING FORWARD, AND THEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE OTHER ITEMS. THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO, COMMISSIONER BAKER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON YOUR MOTION? SURE.
I, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS MADE A, A, A GREAT ATTEMPT OR, OR HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF PRESENTING A DESIGN THAT I THINK IS IN THE SPIRIT OF THE, UH, OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THAT AREA.
I, I DO FEEL LIKE THE STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF REVIEWING THOSE AND, AND BASED ON THOSE FINDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION PRESENTED THIS AFTERNOON, UH, THAT'S THE BASIS OF MY MOTION OVER.
CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK MR. BAKER ON THE WINDOWS, ARE YOU ACCEPTING THE, THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION OR WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS? UH, THE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION, WHICH IS ITEM ITEM FIVE.
SO PERHAPS ON, ON THE WINDOWS, I'M UNCLEAR THEN ON THE, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS.
COULD, COULD I ASK THE APPLICANT TO, UH, UH, CLARIFY OR SAY AGAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THEIR, THE RECOMMENDATION JUST PROPOSED AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? THANK YOU.
SO I BELIEVE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE NEW WINDOWS TO MATCH THE SIZE AND PROPORTION OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE GOING BACK INTO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND SO, UM, HERE ON THIS ELEVATION, THE WINDOWS, THE TWO WINDOWS ON THE LEFT ARE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE NEW WINDOWS THAT ARE GOING BACK IN THE ONE YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, AND THAT'S MAINLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE FURNITURE THAT'S GONNA BE GOING INTO THOSE, THOSE TWO BEDROOMS. AND IF I CAN ASK THE QUESTION, AND WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE BATHROOM IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU HAD W WITH THIS, WITH THIS PARTICULAR ELEVATION? THE, THE, THE TALLER WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE IN BEDROOMS. THE, THE SMALLER WINDOWS YOU SEE THERE, THOSE ARE GONNA BE WITHIN BATHROOMS. AND SO, UM, AND THEN, AND SO TELL ME AGAIN SO THAT I'M CLEAR, WHY THE NARROWER WINDOWS? IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE? IT'S, IT'S MAINLY BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BED BET BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND, UM, WE, WE WANTED TO KIND OF MAXIMIZE THAT WALL SPACE BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE HEADBOARD.
AND THAT'S ON THE REAR ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE, CORRECT? WHERE THE SIDES, IT'S ON THE SIDE AND THE REAR ELEVATION.
THEN I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, REVISE MY MOTION, PLEASE.
AND ALSO THE ITEM ON THE SAME ITEM, THERE'S A STIPULATION ON THE ROOF THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT ALSO WANTED REMOVED.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A GABLE ROOF ON THE ADDITION, WHEREAS STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, A SHED ROOF OFF OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
UH, SO LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY THEN.
SO ON, UH, MY, I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT THAT WE APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.
[02:15:02]
WE GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE WINDOWS AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.AND THEN WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN.
MY SECOND WITH STAFF, YOU HAVE A MOTION.
AND SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.
I THINK, UM, I THINK THE INTENTIONS OF COMMISSIONER BAKER WAS TO, YOU KNOW, GO WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS WISHING AND, AND MOST DO YOU WISH TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT? YEAH, MAYBE I AMENDED VOTE, AMENDED MOTION.
I'M NOT GONNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA AGREE WITH IT.
I DON'T WANNA AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.
WAIT TILL SOMEBODY I WAS GONNA EXPLAIN.
'CAUSE IT THERE'S A SECOND, RIGHT? SO WE CAN GO INTO DISCUSS.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
SO I MEAN, I GUESS THE DISCUSSION THAT I WANTED TO LEAD INTO WAS A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT.
WHAT I'M, UM, I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GABLE ROOF.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ROOF THAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED TODAY.
I THINK IT'S, UM, IT'S A WAY OF ALSO DIFFERENTIATING.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, I THINK THE STIPULATION NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE MOTION ON THE WINDOWS.
THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THE BACK.
I THINK MY ISSUES ARE THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE, AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE SIZE AND THE WIDTH OF THE WINDOWS IS THEY'RE NOT REALLY CENTERED.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT KIND OF IS DRAWING MY ATTENTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WITH A PLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AND I KNOW IT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTERIOR.
SO IS THERE A WAY TO LIKE, CENTER IT, MAKE ONE BIG WINDOW THAT'S BIGGER? MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY ISSUE WITH THOSE WINDOWS ON THE EAST.
THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GOING CHAIR.
JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE CONVERSATION, RIGHT? YES, YES.
I'M, I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER BAKER'S MOTION, WHICH I, I SUPPORT, I DO ALSO, UM, THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GRU'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE GABLE AS PRESENTED IS ACCEPTABLE AND IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE DESIGN.
UM, HOWEVER, ON THE, ON THE WINDOWS SIDE, I, I THINK THE WINDOWS ARE, I MEAN, THE WINDOWS ARE VERY INTERESTING THING BECAUSE IT, THE, UM, THERE, THERE'S AN, THERE'S ANOTHER TO TODAY'S FORM OF FLOOR PAN IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE DAYS OF NO AIR CONDITION AND DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO THE SYMMETRY BECOMES LESS, UH, LESS US APPLICABLE, BUT FOR SO MANY DIFFERENT REASONS, RIGHT? UM, IF, IF, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU WAS TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO, TO THE APPLICANT'S, UH, GABLE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A KIND OF GOOD MEETING IN THE MIDDLE TO LET THE WINDOWS GO, IN WHICH CASE, UH, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AMENDING HIS OWN MOTION, MAYBE DROPPING THAT GABLE FROM THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF GETTING THIS PROJECT ROLLING.
UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, UH, AMEND MY MOTION.
UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, AND, UH, UM, POINTING THOSE OUT.
UM, SO I, I WILL MAKE A, A AMEND THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE GABLED ROOF AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.
I, I, I'LL SECOND THAT, UNLESS COMMISSIONER GRU WOULD CARE TO SECOND THAT, UH, I WOULD DEFER TO HER, BUT OTHERWISE I, I'LL SECOND IT NEEDS TO BE THE SAME SECOND.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION.
UH, CHAIRMAN, JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS A VERY THOUGHTFUL, UH, DESIGN.
I THINK IT'S, IT, IT CAPTURES THE, THE SPIRIT IF NOT THE TOTAL LETTER OF THE GUIDELINES.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED HERE TODAY, AND I'M, AND I, I THINK THE, THE APPROACH OF HAVING THE, THE GABLE, I THINK IS SYMPATHETIC TO THE, UH, THE HOUSE AND IT SIMPLIFIES A LOT OF SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES.
IF YOU'RE START GETTING INTO, UH, A LONG LOW SHED ROOFS, UH, THAT WOULD BE A BIT DIFFICULT.
THE ONLY NITPICK I WOULD HAVE IS MAYBE THAT YOU STANDARDIZE THOSE HIGH WINDOWS THAT ARE IN THE, IN THE BATHROOM.
SO THERE ARE TWO SQUARE ONES, RATHER THAN HAVING, YOU KNOW, VARIATIONS OF THAT, JUST KIND OF, ALL THESE SORTS OF, SORT OF MODEST HOMES WERE ABOUT SORT OF REUTILIZING THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THREE FOOT, FIVE FOOT WINDOW AND, AND KIND OF THINGS WERE VERY MUCH, UH, A KIT OF PARTS THAT WENT TOGETHER.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY LITTLE NITPICK I'D HAVE.
AND I THINK THE, UH, THE, THE SLIGHT, UH, INCREASE OF THE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH IS, IS REASONABLE AND PRACTICAL.
UM, AND SO I I I SUPPORT THIS DESIGN.
[02:20:01]
PLEASE? I JUST HAVE ONE MORE, SORRY.I MEDICAL CLARIFICATION AND MAYBE I'M JUST WORRIED THAT WE'RE ACCEPTING PAVERS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A, A MATERIAL DESCRIPTION ON.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THE PACKAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT EARLIER.
I JUST BASED ON, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS CASE WE WERE TODAY, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, SO MAYBE WE, WE CAN SEND THAT TO JESSICA.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMFORTABLE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE BRICK PAVERS THAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY.
BUT IT WOULD BE, BUT IT'D ALL BE GRAVEL.
IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE GRASS IN IT IN THIS CASE.
I GUESS I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD FOR HAVE, LIKE, OKAY, SO SURE.
DO YOU KNOW ACCEPTING THE PAVERS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED? OKAY.
AND, AND JUST TO, TO AUGMENT THAT, THIS AREA HAS, UH, A, A NUMBER OF, UH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY PREVALENT THE USE OF, UH, THE DG AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF PAVERS.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE IN THE, UH, MONTE VISTA, UH, EXAMPLE WHERE THAT WAS A VERY UNUSUAL, UH, REQUEST.
AGENDA NUMBER, AGENDA NUMBER 19 H D R K H D R C.
ADDRESS IS FIVE 20 DAWSON STREET.
THE REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A FRONT YARD WROUGHT IRON FENCE ON THE PROPERTY.
AN EIGHT FEET POWERED SLIDING VEHICLE GATE IS PROPOSED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WITH A PEDESTRIAN GATE TO COINCIDE WITH THE EXISTING SIDEWALK.
AND THE NEW FRONT FENCE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FRONT YARD WROUGHT IRON FENCE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH E WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT AN UPDATED DESIGN THAT FEATURES TRUE PICKETS WITH FINIALS BASED ON FINDINGS D TWO, THAT THE FENCE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT WHEN MEASURED AT ANY POINT.
AND THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY GATE BE SET BACK BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME BASED ON FINDING C THE APPLICANT'S HUSBAND, MR. MAN IS HERE IN PERSON AND THE APPLICANT IS BRINA MANN.
AND THERE IS NO LETTERS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS CASE.
I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO FENCE THE, TO, TO FENCE THE HOUSE AND WE HAVEN'T RECOMMENDED TO PUT THE SLIDING GATE BECAUSE OF THE INCLINATION OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, UH, WE, IF WE, IF WE'RE AUTHORIZED, WE'LL FOLLOW ANY GUIDELINES THAT, UH, YOU MIGHT PROVIDE.
AND I'M, I'M TOTALLY, I'M TOTALLY PRONE TO, TO COMPLY TO ANYTHING THAT, THAT, UH, THAT IT'S NEEDED, YOU KNOW, SO, BUT I MEAN, I, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO FENCE THE HOUSE.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE A YES.
QUICK QUESTION TO UNDERSTAND THE GATE.
UM, SO THIS IS A SLIDING GATE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WE WANT TO PUT A SLIDING GATE AND IF WE COULD LOOK AT, UH, SHEET NUMBER, UH, EIGHT IN THE, UH, THE SET THAT SHOWS KIND OF THE LAYOUT OF THAT.
WOULD THE GATE THEN IN THIS VIEW SLIDE TO THE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE YARD? OR IF YOU'RE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT'LL HAVE TO SLIDE TO THE RIGHT.
YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD SLIDE IN FRONT OF THE, THE GRASS AREA THERE IN THE YARD.
THAT'S THE CLARIFY CLARIFICATION I NEEDED.
SO IF, IF STEPH'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOLLOWED, THE GATE WOULD BE PUSHED
[02:25:01]
BACK TO THE BUILDING LINE AND NOT OUT AT THE SIDEWALK, AND THEREFORE IT WOULD GO FROM A SLIDING GATE TO A SWINGING GATE.DO YOU WANT A SWINGING GATE RATHER THAN A SLIDING GATE? IF THE, IF THE WHATEVER IS APPROVED TODAY, MOVES OF THE GATE BACK TO THE HOUSE RATHER THAN OUT AT THE SIDEWALK, YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SLI, A SWINGING GATE AS OPPOSED TO A SLIDING GATE.
UH, CAN I POINT SOMETHING THERE BECAUSE YES, SIR.
SIR, I'M, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC SO IT'S ON RECORD.
BUT IF YOU REFER, BRIAN CAN HELP SORT OF DRIVE.
SO WE WANT THE GATE TO BE HERE BECAUSE, AND THEN YOU CAN SPEAK.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE ARE RUNNING AFTER IS WE WANT TO PUT THE GATE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR VEHICLES AS WELL.
WE WERE ASKED TO SHOW PICTURES OF OTHER HOUSES, AND, UH, WE SEND THEM, SO THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES AROUND THE AREA, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN THE VERY SAME STREET THAT DOZEN, BUT IN ALL OF THE AREA, THERE ARE SLIDING GATES, JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE THAT.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WILL BE DOING SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT, UH, FROM ANYTHING ON THE AREA.
THE SLIDING GATE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, LEMME YES, I'D LIKE TO ASK VELASQUEZ QUESTIONS.
SIR, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE UNDERSTANDING YOU.
THE, THE, THE, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE GATE TO GO IN WHAT IS TYPICALLY IN FRONT IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE.
BUT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A, A FENCE LINE.
THAT'S CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
BECAUSE YOU'RE TWO OR THREE, I'M NOTICING THAT IN THE SITE PLAN HERE, YOU'RE TWO OR THREE PROPERTIES BEHIND THE HOPE HOUSE THAT IS WELL KNOWN IN THE AREA, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH VA THE VAGRANTS OR, OR, OR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE OUTSIDE OF MANAGING, NOT GOING INTO PROPERTIES THAT ARE GOING INTO YOUR PROPERTY AND ENDING UP ON YOUR, ON YOUR BOARD IN YOUR YARD AND TAKING YOUR THINGS.
SO IT'S A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK.
SO, SO THEN, SO THEN WHAT, WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A FENCE LINE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT, THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE HOUSE, HOPE HOUSE MINISTRIES YES.
THAT, THAT IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANNA ACCOMPLISH, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE YES.
OR NEAR THE PROPERTY LINE? YES.
QUESTION COMMISSIONER SINO? YES.
UM, TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION, THAT STREET HAS A RANGE OF FENCES AND GATES IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
MY, UM, INTERNET'S NOT WORKING IN HERE, SO I CAN'T LOOK.
BUT STAFF, CAN YOU TELL ME IF THERE ARE ANY CONFIGURATIONS OF FENCES AROUND THE FRONT YARD AND THEN WITH THE GATE, AT THE DRIVE AT THE STREET IN THIS BLOCK OF DAWSON IN THE 500 BLOCK OF DAWSON? I MEAN, I REMEMBER DIFFERENT LINKS AND DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND MATERIALS, AND UH, RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT THAT IN, IN THE 600 BLOCK AT 6 0 6 AND 6 0 8, THERE'S, UH, EXAMPLES OF WHAT HE'S REQUESTING.
THE APPLICANT ALSO SUBMITTED SOME LATE, UH, PHOTOS OF, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR PROPERTIES NEARBY THAT RIGHT.
BUT IN THE 500 BLOCK, YOU'RE THE 500 BLOCK, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
AND THEN ALSO CURRENTLY, OR IN THE FUTURE, DO YOU ANTICIPATE PARKING YOUR CAR ALL THE WAY ALONG THAT DRIVEWAY AND GOING TO THE BACK ALONGSIDE OF THE HOUSE AND BEYOND? YEAH.
I, I WILL BE, I WOULD LIKE TO PARK RIGHT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AT, AT THE DRIVEWAY, BUT BEYOND.
AND YOU, YOUR DRIVEWAY WILL GO BEYOND? UH, I USUALLY DON'T GO BEYOND THE, THERE, THERE'S A WOODEN GATE.
I DON'T LIKE TO GO BEYOND THAT BECAUSE I, I HAVE A, UH, BECAUSE WHAT I'M, UM, UH, I GUESS THERE'S NOT, I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T CONTAIN SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
AND THAT IS, WHERE'S THE CAR GOING TO BE PARKED? THE CAR IS, UM, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE DRIVEWAY THERE.
SO YES, THIS IS YOUR DRIVEWAY BIT RIGHT THERE? YEAH.
IT START FROM, UH, FROM, FROM THE FRONT, UH, FROM THE FRONT YARD ALL THE WAY BACK? YES.
SO YOU HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK? YES.
SO IF THAT GATE, OKAY, SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I WOULD RATHER NOT, BECAUSE, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF DOGS AND I DON'T WANT TO SCRATCH THE VEHICLES, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU DECIDE THAT'S THE WAY I'LL DO
[02:30:01]
IT ANYWAY, UH, THE WAY YOU WOULD DECIDE, RIGHT? JUST, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND, YES.I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE SPACE AVAILABLE WAS MM-HMM.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SAVINA, I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE CASE, BUT IT COULD, COULD WE HAVE PURVIEW OVER, BEHIND THAT FIRST SET OF WINDOWS BY APPROVING THE GATE? CAN WE, CAN WE PUT THAT AS A REQUIREMENT MAYBE TO JUST AVOID THAT FRONT PARKING? AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING? I THINK SO THAT'S A STIPULATION.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A MASK.
I'M JUST ASKING RANDOM, UH, IDEA.
BUT LIKE, UH, LIKE STATED BEFORE, I WILL DO IT.
I WOULD RATHER DO IT LIKE FARTHER AWAY SO I CAN COVER MY, MY YARD.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE YARD COVERED.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME YOU'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC, FOOT TRAFFIC COMING TO YOUR HOUSE, WHETHER IT BE ON THE DRIVEWAY, THE FRONT YARD, PORCH, THAT IS THAT? YES.
BECAUSE I MEAN, THE CLOSER PEOPLE CLOSER PEOPLE GET TO THE PORCH.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO ATTEMPT A MOTION? YEAH.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, TO, I'LL DO A MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION AS, UM, AS REQUESTED BY THIS APPLICANT.
UH, AND, AND WITH THE STAFF STIPULATION OF THE FOREFOOT, UM, I, I PULLED UP THE, UM, BRIAN, CAN YOU PUT IT ON THE SCREEN? SO I KIND OF LOST MY, MY AGENDA HERE, BUT, OKAY.
LET ME SEE IF I GOT, GET IT HERE.
WE'LL PULL THE STIPULATIONS UP.
UH, THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATION, UH, ONE, TWO, AND WITH, UH, THREE ENABLING THE, THE FENCE TO BE AT, UH, PROPERTY LINE, PROVIDED THAT THERE'S NOT A COMMISSIONER THAT THINKS IT SHOULD MOVE BACK MAYBE FIVE FEET FROM PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE UNIQUE, BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA FROM GOOGLE, UM, IT ENABLES YOU TO SEE A MUCH HIGHER DEFINITION RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN, IN A REALLY HEAVILY INDUSTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OR SLASH THE CHAIR CAN GET A SECOND.
YOU MAY CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION.
SO, SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE AREA, YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY, AND NOT JUST TO THE HOPE HOUSE, BUT TO THAT AREA THAT IS REALLY DEVELOPING AS KIND OF AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT.
UH, SO HE'S, HE'S PROBABLY GETTING A LOT OF PRESSURE THAT IS ABNORMAL TO THE AREA.
UH, MANY OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA OVER THE PAST, SAY 40 YEARS, 50 YEARS, UH, IT'S GONE FROM KIND OF A VACANT ENVIRONMENT TO A VERY HEAVILY POPULATED ENVIRONMENT WITH RESPECT TO ITS TRAFFIC AND ITS TRAFFIC THAT'S BEEN PUSHED FROM DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? LIKE, SAY FOR INSTANCE, THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT IS, FINDS ITSELF ON THE FRINGES, HE'S ON THE FRINGE AS WELL.
UH, SEEMS THAT THE, THAT THE MITIGATING, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE ISSUE TO MITIGATE, UH, THEFT AND, AND, AND VA VAGRANCY ON HIS, ON HIS PROPERTY SEEMS IT MAY BE A GROWING CONSIDERATION FOR THE REST OF THAT COMMUNITY, BUT MOST DEFINITELY, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT HIS, UH, REQUEST IS VERY REASONABLE.
UM, I, I'M, I I THINK THE FOREFOOT IS PROBABLY A, A NICE MEANING IN THE MIDDLE.
IT WON'T KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING OVER THE FENCE, BUT IT'LL AT LEAST MAKE A VERY CLEAR MENTAL, UH, NOTE TO KEEP, KEEP MOVING BY AND NOT TO GO INTO YOUR PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
WAS STIPULATION THREE INCLUDED OR NOT? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS TO NOT INCLUDE STIPULATION, JUST SAYING AS PRESENTED.
NO, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP, UH, STIPULATION THREE WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED BECAUSE IT, IT, IT GETS IN THE WAY OF WHAT HE'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
BUT IF THE GATE IS DONE RIGHT, IRON AND IT'S PICKETED, AND IT, AND IT MOVES INTO THAT, THAT SHORT SEGMENT OF THE YARD, IT IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, SIR EZ? I, I, I, I AGREE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WHAT CAN I SAY TO NO, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
NO, I, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER VELASQUE.
UH, MY OBSERVATION OF THIS AREA IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS I GO THROUGH THIS DAILY AND HAVE FOR ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS.
[02:35:01]
AND IT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY.AND WE HAVE MORE NEIGHBORS THAN EVER BEFORE, WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
UM, I, SO THE, THE FACT THAT THERE'S SUCH A VARIETY OF FENCE LAYOUTS AND FENCE, UH, SITUATIONS, CONDITIONS, MATERIALS, EVERYTHING OVER THERE, NOTHING TELLS ME THAT THIS IS A HIGH CRIME, HIGH SECURITY NEED AREA.
UM, IT'S MY, UH, MY EXPERIENCE IN THAT AREA IS THAT IT, WE HAVE FOOT TRAFFIC, BUT WITH CERTAIN FENCES, CERTAIN BARRIERS, 99% OF THE FOLKS KEEP ON WALKING.
THE GUIDELINES ARE VERY CLEAR THAT IF HISTORICALLY THERE IS NOT A FENCE OR A GATE IN A CERTAIN PLACE, ESPECIALLY ON THE BLOCK FACE.
ESPECIALLY IN THAT BLOCK FACE, THAT IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE, I WOULD SUGGEST.
AND, UH, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A BETTER, BETTER SOLUTION.
ONE THAT FITS THE CONTEXT OF YOUR STREET, WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES HAVE, AND WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES LOOK LIKE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ONLY ONE WITH A FENCE OUT FRONT THAT SAYS, I'M AFRAID.
WELL, SO LET ME FINISH BECAUSE I'M ON A TIME TRACK HERE, AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TIME.
UM, I, I SEE THAT THE CONVENTIONAL FENCE LAYOUT ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, UM, I'M SORRY.
THE WEST PROPERTY LINE ALONG THE DRIVEWAY WITH A GATE IN THE BACK HAS SERVED.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT AND REASONABLE.
AND IT FITS THE GUIDELINES, IT FITS THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET, AND IT WILL, HAVING THE FENCE IN THE FRONT, THAT GOES A LONG WAY AS A PREVENTION MEASURE TO HAVE HAVING PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE AREA.
IT'S NOT, UM, THE AREA, MY OBSERVATION AND THE FACT IS, IS IT'S NOT A HIGH, HIGH TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT AN ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT.
IT'S A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORS? YEAH, YEAH.
OH, YOU DON'T OH, OH, ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I, I JUST FOR THAT REASON, I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE GATE AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? NAY.
MAY I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION PLEASE? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, ACCEPT, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, USING THE TIME MI MR. CHAIR, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AROUND THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE MAKES A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR COMPARING IT TO ANY OTHER HOUSE ON DAWSON OR ANY OTHER HOUSE ON MESQUITE OR ANY OF THESE STREETS.
BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO A BIRD'S EYE VIEW LOOKING AT THIS EXACT HOUSE, AND YOU GO OUT NOT TOO FAR FROM CHERRY, AND YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA THROUGH THE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE LAST 50 YEARS, MAYBE THE LAST 60 YEARS I'M DATING MYSELF, THAT YOU KNOW HOW THIS AREA HAS CHANGED.
AND YOU KNOW THAT EVEN AS AN INDUSTRIAL ENVIRONMENT IN THE 1970S, THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT WENT IN THAT AREA.
'CAUSE IT WAS A ROUGH AREA COMING INTO TO TODAY.
THE AREA HAS TRANSFORMED QUITE A BIT, BUT IT HASN'T TRANSFORMED AS MUCH AS PEOPLE THINK THAT IT HAS, WITH EXCEPTION THAT THE ICE, UH, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENT BECAME A VENUE.
AND THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING NEXT TO IT BECAME A VENUE.
THE REALITY IS THAT ON A WEEKEND, THIS PLACE IS PACKED FULL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PARTYING.
RIGHT? BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU DON'T PARTY, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE OUT THAT LATE.
YOU'D BE AT HOME, RIGHT? SO THE PLACE IS FILLED WITH PEOPLE.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROXIMITY TO THE HOPE HOUSE, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE LEVEL OF HOMELESSNESS IS NOT DECREASING.
IT'S INCREASING AS WE ENTER INTO A DEPRESSION RIGHT? IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO UNDER 35, I MEAN UNDER 2 81.
AND, AND THERE'S A THRIVING HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WE SHOULD ALL, YOU KNOW, FEEL VERY, UH, GUILTY OF, RIGHT? BECAUSE I MEAN, WE, WE IGNORE
[02:40:01]
IT AND, AND, AND JUST SAY THAT THINGS AREN'T THE WAY THAT THEY REALLY ARE.THIS GENTLEMAN IS LIVING IN THAT ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND PERHAPS THE TEMPORARINESS OF THE SOLUTION THAT HE NEEDS TO HELP HIM PROTECT HIS FAMILY AND PROTECT HIS, HIS VALUABLES.
NOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I I I I MADE THAT MOTION IS BECAUSE WE, WE OFTEN HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE REV REVERSE, THE REVERSIBLE NESS OF THE FENCE.
AND THE FENCE IS REVERSIBLE, BUT WHAT'S NOT REVERSIBLE IS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THIS MAN AND HIS FAMILY.
AND, AND PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T ENABLE HIM TO, TO CREATE THE MENTAL, UH, UH, DIRECTIVE TO KEEP ON WALKING THAT HIS PROPERTY, IT DOES NOT BELONG TO ANYBODY ELSE BUT HIMSELF, WHICH IS WHAT HE'S, UM, BEEN VERY, VERY, UH, UH, SHARING WITH US TO SAY THAT HE'S TRYING TO MITIGATE A PROBLEM.
UH, IN MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AND THEN AN ADD TO IT THAT THERE'S NO AMOUNT OF DESIGN OR PRESERVATION THAT WARRANTS RISKING SOMEONE PUTTING A REVERSIBLE FENCE, FOUR FEET TALL TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY PROPERTY AND LOVED ONES.
HEAVEN FORBID, WE DENY THIS NOW AND A YEAR FROM NOW, A LITTLE CHILD WALKS OUT OF THE PORCH EARLY IN THE MORNING AND TRIPS OVER SOMEONE THAT MAYBE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE OR GETS HURT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IMPACT TO THE DESIGN ASPECT OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S STILL, IT, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME HOUSE IT WAS.
IT'S GONNA HAVE A FENCE THAT'S BEEN IN CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HOUSES ALL OVER THE, ALL OVER THE CITY FOR, FOR DECADES.
SO THIS IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT.
WE ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO THIS GENTLEMAN RIGHT HERE BY DENYING HIM HIS ABILITY TO PROTECT HIS FAMILY AND HIS PROPERTY AND HIS CHILDREN.
AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IF STAFF CAN BRING UP, SO WE ARE ACCEPTING AND, AND COMMISSIONER
AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AT A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE PROPERTY AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIT TWO CARS ALONG THE HOUSE AFTER THE FRONT AND THEN HAVE THAT GATE, THAT WOOD GATE THAT IS NOW A BACK FENCE.
HAVE IT AT THE END OF YOUR HOME SO YOUR DOGS DON'T INTERFERE WITH YOU DRIVING.
AND NOW WHEN YOU OPEN THE GATE, I WOULD EVEN BE YOU, WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW.
IF YOU OPEN THE GATE OUTWARDS OR INWARDS, I THINK OUTWARDS WOULD BE BETTER.
SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIT TWO CARS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN BROWN ALLEY, WE JUST APPROVED A SIX FOOT FENCE AROUND THAT NEW PARKING LOT THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS SOLUTION MIGHT EVEN BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE SAFETY TO YOUR CARS AND TO YOUR CHILDREN ARE STILL ABLE TO GO OUT BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE THAT FENCE.
I THINK THE FENCE, THE FOUR FEET FENCE IS STILL THERE.
IS JUST THE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS YOU'RE PUTTING THE FOUR FEET FENCE ALONG THE DRIVEWAY UP TO THE HOUSE AND THEN PUTTING THAT AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO AMEND, IF WE WANT, I GUESS STAFF CAN APPROVE IT TO BE SIX FOOT IF IT WISHES BY THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THE DRIVEWAY GATES I MAY ADD BACK THERE CAN BE SIX FEET.
YOU KNOW, AND GOING TO SAFETY.
AND IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT SO MANY YOUNG KIDS RUNNING BEHIND A, A CAR BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, UM, UM, HAVING THAT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE YARD AND THE DRIVEWAY IS, UM, FOR ME WOULD BE PRIORITY.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? PLEASE CLARIFY THE MOTION.
CAN WE CLARIFY THE MOTION PLEASE? I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, ALL THREE OF THEM.
UM, COMMISSIONER BAKER HAS HIS HAND RAISED.
COMMISSIONER BAKER, YOU'RE MUTED AGAIN.
I SAID I'M DUMB 'CAUSE I'M NOT, UH, UNMUTING, BUT I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT.
[02:45:02]
AYE SIR.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 96.
ADDRESS IS TWO 11 WEST SHERIDAN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE FOUR EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND ADD ONE FIXED PANE WINDOW TO THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE FOUR WINDOWS LOCATED ON THE FRONT STREET FACING ELEVATION BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED.
TWO, THAT THE REMAINING TIN WINDOWS BE REPLACED IN KIND WITH EITHER A NEW WOOD WINDOW OR SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.
THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A WINDOW FOR THE SOUTHEAST ELEVATION THAT CONFIRMS THE GUIDELINES, NAMELY ONE THAT IS ONE OVER ONE WOOD SASH WINDOW.
THE APPLICANT LILLIAN OTTER BCH IS HERE WITH IN PERSON WITH CARLOS ERBA.
WE DO HAVE ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION REVIEW FOR THIS CASE.
HELLO, I'M CARLOS ERBA AND THIS IS MY LOVELY WIFE LILLIAN.
UM, SHE DIDN'T WANNA SPEAK, SO I GUESS IT'S MY TURN.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST, BECAUSE WE WERE REQUESTING ACTUALLY TWO WINDOWS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR IN OUR PETITION.
TWO HORIZONTAL WINDOWS ON THAT, UH, EASTERN SIDE FOR THE BATHROOMS. DID YOU UNDERSTAND IT DIFFERENTLY? SO STAFF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO RETAIN ALL OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS YES.
WITHOUT INTRODUCING NEW WINDOWS TO THE ELEVATIONS.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS TO RETAIN WINDOWS OR REPLACE IN KIND.
UM, THE, UM, WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE, THERE ARE NO WINDOWS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING OR, UM, PROPOSING ASKING FOR NEW WINDOWS.
HAVING A BATHROOM WITHOUT A WINDOW IS STRANGE.
IT'S MORE LIKE A CLOSET ACTUALLY.
UM, WHEN WE WERE THERE, WHEN SOME OF THE STAFF WAS THERE, THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE GO AROUND THE AREA AND LOOK AT OTHER HOUSES, WHICH WE DID.
WE TOOK A BUNCH OF PICTURES OF HOUSES THAT ARE A COUPLE OF BLOCKS AWAY, MOST TO THE, AT THE MOST.
AND WE HAVE THESE PICTURES HERE IF YOU WANNA SEE 'EM.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THEM? CAN WE USE THE OVERHEAD? THEY DON'T HAVE THAT THOUGH.
NO, WE HAVE AN OVERHEAD CAMERA.
SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE 'EM AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK THE APPLICANT IS RIGHT IN THE APPLICATION.
IT DOES STATE TWO HORIZONTAL WINDOWS, WINDOW, H AND WINDOW.
SO YOU'RE REQUESTING TWO WINDOWS THAT I'M NON-CONFORMING.
WE, UM, REGISTERED MANY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE CORRECT WAY TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING.
I MEAN, THE FINDINGS OF, UM, STAFF IS FOR THE WINDOWS ONLY, BUT WE HAD ASKED ALSO TO ENCLOSE THAT BACK PORCH THAT IS OPEN AND COMPLETELY TRADED.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN STANDING VACANT PROBABLY FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TOLD US.
AND THE HOUSE IS REALLY IN VERY BAD SHAPE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE OUTSIDE THE SAME WITH A COUPLE OF, UM, ADD-ONS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A BATHROOM, BUT I DON'T SEE THIS IN THE, THAT'S SUBJECT TO A DIFFERENT REQUEST.
SO ALL THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY ARE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
UM, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE SUBJECT TO
[02:50:01]
A SEPARATE REQUEST FOR REVIEW.OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ELEVATIONS, UH, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS TO REVIEW FOR THIS ONE.
SO I, I CAN CHECK LATER, BUT THAT ONE IS NOT PART OF THIS, UH, REQUESTED SCOPE OF WORK.
WE THOUGHT EVERYTHING WAS IN CONTINUANCE ON THIS ONE.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE SO THAT I CAN STAFF AND, AND, AND CUSTOMER CAN STRAIGHTEN IT OUT.
WELL, JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THERE WAS, I'LL SEND THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ANOTHER REQUEST THAT CAME IN AFTER THE DEADLINE.
SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THE ONE THAT WE HAD FOR THIS DEADLINE.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE TO BASICALLY COMBINE THE APPLICATIONS AND WE I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN THE APPLICANT'S BEEN HERE FOR MORE THAN THREE HOURS.
WELL, THE THING IS THE DEADLINE WAS JANUARY THE SECOND AND WE SUBMITTED, I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER 27TH, MAYBE DECEMBER SOMETHING.
I MEAN IT WAS BEFORE THE DEADLINE.
I MEAN, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT, WOULD YOU MIND IF WE ONLY REVIEW WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WHICH IS THE WINDOWS WITHOUT ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING AS ONE? WHAT THE THING IS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO COME BACK PROBABLY A FEW WEEKS AND, BUT WE CAN MAKE A MOTION IF THE OTHER APPLICATIONS ARE IN, THEN YOU WOULD BE BACK HERE IN TWO WEEKS ANYWAY.
THE OTHER APPLICATION FOR ENCLOSING THE REAR WITH THAT LONG THIN WINDOW THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUESTING WAS A SEPARATE REVIEW THAT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE STAFF REACHED OUT FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECAUSE IT WAS AN INCOMPLETE REQUEST.
SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH, UH, THE REQUEST THAT WAS COMPLETE AT THIS TIME.
WELL, HAS THERE BEEN A D R C? THE, THE REASON I SAY IS BECAUSE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE REQUEST FOR THE WINDOWS IS THE REMOVAL OF WINDOWS PUT A PICTURE WINDOW AND IT'S PRETTY TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DONE RIGHT.
BUT IF THERE WAS A DRC, THEY COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
I WOULD SUPPORT THAT COMMISSIONER IF THAT IS A MOTION LOOK COMMISSION.
WELL, CURRENTLY WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A CONTINUANCE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND MOTION TO CONTINUANCE? UM, OKAY.
PERHAPS THAT COULD INCLUDE A D R C.
WELL, I CAN, I CAN AMEND THAT ALSO TO INCLUDE A D R C IN BETWEEN THE NEXT, UH, THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I, I I, I MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE WITH THE D R C IN BETWEEN THE NEXT MEETING.
AND WHAT THAT, THAT, I'M SORRY.
WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT THERE WOULD BE A MEETING SET UP FOR NEXT WEEK AND SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD COME OUT AND LOOK AT THE HOUSE AND DISCUSS YOUR PLANS WITH YOU.
AND THEN THE WEEK AFTER THAT, YOU'D BE BACK ON THE AGENDA.
AND SINCE YOU'RE A RETURNING CASE, YOU'D BE NEAR THE FRONT
SO ANY OTHER THAT ALSO GIVES YOU, THAT ALSO GIVES YOU A FEW TIMES TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE UNDER COMPLIANCE CODE.
I THINK I'M GONNA SOUND SMART HERE BECAUSE COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, GAVE ME A BIT OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT I THINK A WA A BATHROOM WINDOW IS CODE COMPLIANT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A BATHROOM WINDOW.
SO I ALSO JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO D R C A CONTINUANCE IS NOT ALSO NECESSARY BECAUSE THE D R C PUNTS IT A WEEK AND THEN PUTS IT ON THE NEXT SCHEDULE FOR D R C.
JUST TO LIKE AVOID A COMPLICATED, THEN LET'S JUST MAKE IT A, A MOVE TO D RRC THEN.
AND I, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO SECOND IT.
AND I WANNA MAKE A COMMENT JUST FOR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S, UH, UM, FOR HIS BRAIN, HIS BRAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THREE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, THAT'S A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT USED TO EXIST AND IT'S KIND OF ODD, BUT I REMEMBER SEEING 'EM IN THE DEEP WEST SIDE, LIKE ON CORDELIA AND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THESE THREE WINDOWS.
SOMEBODY MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.