* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] I'D [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FIRST. COMMISSIONER FISH. HE'S VIRTUAL HERE. OH, THERE HE IS. UH, MAKE SURE YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON PLEASE. SINO HERE. VELAZQUEZ. HERE. MOOKA HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES BAKER. HERE. FETZER HERE. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP. GOOD AFTERNOON WHEN I THANK YOU. THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THAT COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS MANY APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY. WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. OKAY. HOPEFULLY OUR MICROPHONES ARE WORKING. THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT DEFINITELY IS. UM, ONE QUICK ANNOUNCE. HELLO. OKAY, ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. OUR HISTORIC HOMEOWNER AFFAIRS COMING UP, UM, NOT THIS SATURDAY, BUT THE NEXT, THE 11TH. UM, THAT EVENT WILL BE, UM, FROM 11 OR 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM CHECK AT THE TRY POINT EVENT CENTER, UM, IN MONTE VISTA. AND SO THIS IS A FREE EVENT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ORCHESTRATE TO ATTEND, BUT IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE FOR ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN A STORE DISTRICT OR JUST OWNS OR LIVES IN AN OLDER HOME. UM, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF RESOURCES LIKE CONTRACTORS AND REALTORS AND SPECIALISTS IN THE FIELD THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MEET, UM, IN OUR EXHIBITOR HALL. AND THEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY WE ALSO HOST EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS AND, AND ALSO A TREE ADOPTION EVENT, WHICH PEOPLE REALLY THANK YOU. SO [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH FOUR ITEMS. WE'LL LISTEN TO VOICEMAILS FIRST. SO VOICEMAIL FOR 22 1 9 WEST GRAMERCY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 2 3 2 2 1 5 WEST GRAMERCY. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE N P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS INCLUDED BY H D R C DURING CONCEPTUAL CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. [00:05:01] WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE INCLUSION OF A STIPULATION FOR A SOLID WOOD DOOR ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME AS THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO THE STIPULATION DURING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. HOWEVER, IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN TODAY'S THINK THE COMPUTER AUDIO CUT OFF EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH US THIS STIPULATION IN AN EMAIL EXCHANGE WITH US, UH, YESTERDAY JANUARY 31ST AND ALSO COPIED O H P STAFF. PLEASE ADD IN REGARDS TO THE TILE ROOF. WE RESPECTFULLY NOTE THE SUBMISSION OF HOMES BY THE APPLICANT WITH STUCCO AND SHINGLED ROOF IS A CURRENT CONDITION INVENTORY, BUT ALSO DOCUMENTS A LOSS OF HISTORIC ELEMENTS AND CHARACTERISTICS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE HOME DISCUSSED BY THE H D R C COMMISSIONERS AND IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT IN HIS PACKET 2 1 2 2 IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE HOME DISCUSSED BY THE H D R C COMMISSIONERS AND IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT IN HIS PACKET 2 1 2 5 WEST GRAMERCY AND CHARACTERISTICS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE HOME DISCUSSED BY THE H D R C COMMISSIONERS AND IDENTIFIED BY THE APPLICANT IN HIS PACKET 2 1 2 MINUTES. AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT THAT REMOVED BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WAS CREATED. 2131 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, ALSO IDENTIFIED IN THE APPLICANT'S PACKET, REMOVED THEIR TILE ROOF AND INSTALLED A SHINGLE ROOF WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND THERE ARE 10 MORE SUCH EXAMPLES IN THE SUBMITTED INVENTORY BY THE APPLICANT. WE FEEL AS THOUGH WHEN WE IN THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND THE CASEMENT WINDOW WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THERE ARE 10 MORE SUCH EXAMPLES IN THE SUBMITTED INVENTORY BY THE APPLICANT. WE FEEL AS THOUGH WHEN WE REFERENCE, UH, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE IF THERE WAS A C OF A IN THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS OF THESE PROPERTIES WHEN THEY'RE BEING REFERENCED. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT THE BEST. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. FISH, BEFORE WE GO ON, CAN YOU HEAR WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW? YOU JUST MISSED PART OF THOSE VOICEMAILS. OKAY. I CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW. IT'S JUST IT WAS DROPPING OUT EVERY FEW SECONDS FOR A SECOND OR TWO. YEP, SAME FOR US. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF THESE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, SINCE WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE IN PERSON, UM, OH, OKAY. DISREGARD. ALRIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO RECUSE YOURSELF MOTION AND I WILL RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. THANK YOU. LET THE RECORD, UH, STATE THAT CHAIRMAN, UM, HAS LEFT THE ROOM. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MAKE A MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, OKAY. FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND IS THAT FOR VERIFY ITEM ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS? YES. SECOND. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AS SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. AND BAKER MOTION? AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS TWO 11 WEST SHERIDAN, 2 52 WEST WILDWOOD 1 0 2 EAST JOSEPHINE AND 22 1 15 SLASH 22 1 9 WEST GRAMERCY PLACE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. UH, UP [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] NEXT IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 22 1 0 2 MUNCIE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE PERFORM REPAIR SCOPES OF WORK TO THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING, WOOD TRIM, FASCIA AND SOFFIT. TWO. REPLACE THE EXISTING FO STONE FOUNDATION SKIRTING WITH WOOD SKIRTING. THREE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS. FOUR, REPLACE THE EXISTING [00:10:01] ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF. REPLACE THE EXISTING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF WITH A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF. FIVE. INSTALL NEW BRICK COLUMNS WITH BRICK SKIRTING ON THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH. SIX TO CONSTRUCT A REAR GARAGE ADDITION FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 380 SQUARE FEET. SEVEN. INSTALL A DRIVEWAY AT THE REAR OF THE LOT AND EIGHT INSTALL FENCING IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, SIDING REPAIR BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE ORIGINAL WOOD BE WOOD SIDING BE REPAIRED AND PRESERVED IN PLACE. I'M SORRY, TWO THAT DID THE APPLICANT PRESERVE ORIGINAL FACADE OPENINGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AN INFILL MATCHING SIDING WHERE SIDING DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, SKIRTING REPLACEMENT BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE STIPULA WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION AND ONE THAT A DRIP EDGE BE INSTALLED AT THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT. A CEMENT BOARD PIECE CAN BE USED AT GRADE TO PREVENT ROT AND DECAYING. IF USED CEMENT BOARD SHOULD BE A, SHOULD FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS IS NOTED IN FINDING. E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WINDOWS BE INSTALLED, THAT WINDOWS BE INSTALLED THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED WINDOW POLICY DOCUMENT. ADDITIONAL, THIS ISN'T JUST ME JUST STOPPING TALKING. MICROPHONE'S CUTTING OUT. SORRY. UM, ADDITIONALLY, STAFF ENCOURAGES THE APPLICANT INTRODUCE WINDOWS IN AS MANY ORIGINAL LOCATIONS AS POSSIBLE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR ROOF REPLACEMENT AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING F. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FIVE, FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE AT THE PROPOSED BRICK COLUMNS, SKIRTING AND PORCH STEPS BE ELIMINATED. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WOOD COLUMNS THAT ARE SIX INCHES SQUARE WITH CHAMFORD CORNERS AND CAPITAL AND BASE TRIM STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX. THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ATTACHED GARAGE BASED ON FINDING H H THROUGH I STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT EITHER DETACHED GARAGE DE RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT A DETACHED GARAGE IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, THE INSTALLATION OF REAR YARD DRIVEWAY WITH FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT HIS DRIVEWAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH PER THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM EIGHT, THE INSTALLATION OF SITE AND REAR YARD FENCING WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT A FENCING DETAIL BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. AND THAT FENCING THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE INSTALLED PARALLEL TO MUNCIE FEATURE THE FENCING THAT IS SIX FEET IN HEIGHT, NOT EXCEED, EXTEND PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF 1 0 2 MUNCIE AS TO NOT CREATE A SIX FOOT HEIGHT FENCE WITHIN, WITHIN THE FRONT INSIDE YARD SPACE FOR THE AJA ADJACENT LOT. EXCUSE ME. UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE IN PERSON. UM, THE APPLICANTS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M MISTAKEN ON THIS, BUT THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ALL ITEMS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM NUMBER THREE AND ITEMS NUMBER SIX. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING ALUMINUM WINDOWS WITH A VINYL PRODUCT. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF A GARAGE ADDITION. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS UH, TWO OR THREE WINDOW PRODUCTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT AND THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO, UH, EXAMPLES OF PARKING ARRANGEMENTS THAT THEY FIND SUPPORT THEIR CASE. THE APPLICANT, MS. VIRGINIA BURKE IS HERE IN PERSON. AM I SUPPOSED TO COME UP HERE? EDWARD. OKAY. NERVOUS . OKAY. I THINK THEY CAN HEAR ME NOW. RIGHT. OKAY. I'M VIRGINIA BURKE AND PROUD OWNER OF 1 0 2 MUNCIE. AND YEAH, I WAVE WHAT EDWARD SAID. WE'LL GO ALONG WITH THOSE, UM, CHANGES OR APPROVALS. AND THEN ON NUMBER THREE WITH THE WINDOWS, WHAT WITH, UM, THE WINDOWS AT THE HOUSE. MY INTENTION IS JUST TO PUT A GOOD PRODUCT IN THERE THAT, UM, I THOUGHT A VINYL WINDOW WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT, UM, I'M WILLING TO CONSIDER THE ALUMINUM OR A WOOD CLAD WINDOW, I BELIEVE IS ANOTHER PRODUCT. I SENSE SOME, UM, SPECS THAT I THOUGHT I THINK EDWARD IS PUTTING UP ON THE THING AND ONE IS APPLIED GEM, UM, ALUMINUM WINDOW AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE IT CONSISTENT IN LOOKING LIKE THE OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR I STILL LIKE A VINYL WINDOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S, WHAT'S OPPOSED ON THOSE OR THE WOOD [00:15:01] CLAD WINDOW AND THE JED WIND SERIES. I CAN, UH, STAFF CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION. UH, SO THE, THE WOOD WINDOW THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, UH, THE MODEL NUMBER IS A W 2,500, WHICH IS A WOOD WINDOW THAT THE COMMISSION HERE HAS APPROVED A NUMBER OF TIMES. THE, UH, APPLIED GYM ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. IT'S A SERIES 4,800. THIS WINDOW HAS BEEN APPROVED A NUMBER OF TIMES, HOWEVER, THIS WINDOW IS MOST CONSISTENTLY APPROVED IN THE CONTEXT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. UH, SO JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, UM, SORRY, JUST A LITTLE CLAR Q ONE. I CAN ALSO NOW SHOW THE PHOTOS OF THE PARKING CONDITIONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK FOR A DISCUSSION REGARDING THE WINDOWS AND THE PARKING CONDITION. UH, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS OR LETTERS, UH, FROM CITIZENS FOR THIS CASE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE, UM, THE DESIGN THAT I DID TO THE HOUSE TO ADD THE ATTACHED GARAGE, UM, WAS MEANT TO NOT BE, UM, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN OTHER. THEY BROUGHT, UM, SEVERAL PICTURES OF OTHER RESIDENCES WITH ATTACHED GARAGES. AND I BELIEVE THE DESIGN FOR THIS ONE IS ALSO, UM, IN LINE THAT IT, IT'S NOT VERY, UM, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET. YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND FROM THE SIDE YARD ON MONTHS OR ON GORMAN. UM, IT'S BARELY VISIBLE TO THE STREET. AND IF YOU, UM, ARE YOU GONNA, HE'S JUST TRYING TO GET THOSE PICTURES UP. BUT ON THE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED OF THE HOUSE, THERE WILL BE A DECK ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND WINDOWS VIEWING FROM GOR GORMAN THAT MAKE THE GARAGE ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THAT IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T APPROVE THIS IT AND I THINK IT WILL IMPROVE THE PROPERTY AND STILL LOOK, SORRY, I'M HAVING AN ISSUE UP HERE THAT I NEED TO REMOVE THESE PICTURES OVER. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS. THE WINDOWS. YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE WINDOWS. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THE WINDOWS AND A STAFF IS IN AGREEMENT OF REPLACING ALL WINDOWS, BUT YOU'RE ALSO INTRODUCING SOME WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT LIKE I SAW A ROUND ONE ON THE GARAGE. I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE GARAGE DISCUSSION, BUT LIKE THAT'S PART OF THE STIPULATION AS WELL, RIGHT? THE ROUND WINDOW ON THE FRONT OR OF THE GARAGE ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR OPENING, NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE THAT. UM, IS LIKE YOU'RE REPLACING EXISTING WINDOWS AND EXISTING, UM, FENESTRATIONS, BUT YOU'RE NOT ADDING, ARE YOU ADDING ANY NEW WINDOWS OR ADDING ANY NEW ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE? UM, THE, THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL WINDOWS BEING ADDED. UM, THERE IS ONE WHERE I AM TO THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND THE DESIGN WHERE THE KITCHEN IS AND THE KITCHEN SINK, I THINK IT MOVES ABOUT SIX 12 INCHES. OKAY. TO THE SIDE OR UP. OKAY. SO THE DISCUSSION IS REALLY ONLY ON MATERIAL, CORRECT? PRETTY MUCH ON MATERIALS, I BELIEVE FOR THE WINDOWS, YES. ALL THE WINDOWS EXCEPT FOR THE ONE OVER THE KITCHEN SINK, WHICH ISN'T IN THIS PICTURE YET. AND THEN ONE IN, UM, THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT ISN'T EVEN THE LOOK. OH, THERE'S A KITCHEN WINDOW. THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE ON THE TOP THAT'S A LITTLE HIGHER. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS GONNA BE MOVED SLIGHTLY AND JUST CONSIDERED THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S IN A BEDROOM THAT MAKES FURNITURE ARRANGEMENT INSIDE MORE APPROPRIATE. [00:20:02] AND I DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS THE VISIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, YOU ARE WINDOW LIKE, UH, MR. HALL MENTIONED? YES. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE WINDOWS? OKAY. UM, I HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS. THERE'S A, A FORMATTING ISSUE GOING ON, BUT I WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW THOSE. SO WHENEVER, UM, IF YOU'RE READY FOR THE ADDITIONAL PHOTOS FOR EXAMPLES OF GARAGES, YES, PLEASE. I CAN SHOW THOSE NOW. YES, PLEASE. AND EDWARD, CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY A STIPULATION THAT SAYS ANY LOCATIONS AS POSSIBLE? YES. DOES THAT, IS THAT STIPULATION MET WITH THE CURRENT WINDOW? SO I'LL, I'LL PULL UP A PHOTO OF, OF WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO. UM, SO I'LL WINDOW OPENINGS HAVE BEEN MODIFIED PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. UM, THERE WAS ASBESTOS SIDING THAT COVERED UP WHERE PLYWOOD, INFIELD, ORIGINAL OPENINGS. UH, WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS TO, UH, IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THERE'S NOT PATCH WORK OF SIDING OR THERE'S NOT FEATHERING OF SIDING THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE OR NOT AS MUCH. IS THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO INTRODUCE DOUBLE WINDOWS IN LOCATIONS WHERE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY LOCATED AS A DOUBLE WINDOW, OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT TALLER AND THE SIZES WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT THAN THE SIZES THAT ARE THERE NOW. BUT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THE APPLICANT ELECTED TO DO THAT. WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHERE THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF AN ORIGINAL OPENING. SO IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY, THE, THE DRAWING THAT I HAVE NOW, YOU'RE SAYING I COULD MAKE THOSE WINDOWS DOUBLE WIDE SIMILAR TO THE, THE SKETCH THAT I SENT YOU, IF YOU REMEMBER, WITH THOSE TWO WINDOWS? YES MA'AM. MAYBE I'LL HAVE TO RESUBMIT IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT. OKAY. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED ON IT, EDWARD. THANK YOU. EDWARD. WERE THOSE PAIR WINDOWS WITH AOL IN BETWEEN THEM? UH, A ALL. OKAY. OKAY. UM HMM. OKAY. OKAY, COMMISSIONERS. UM, SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO HERE ARE EXAMPLES. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A HANDFUL OF EXAMPLES OF, UH, GARAGES OR PARKING CONDITIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY HISTORIC. UM, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. IT THAT, THAT FIRST ONE ON DAWSON IS A FRONT LOAD GARAGE AND VERY APPARENT FROM THE STREET. UM, I REALIZE IT PROBABLY WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH ANYTHING APPROVED AND I I REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. WOULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? THIS ONE IS A SIDE LOAD GARAGE AT THE CORNER OF HAYES, AND I THINK IT WAS NICELY DONE. IT LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE. UH, THE ONE I'M PROPOSING IS NOT THAT VISIBLE AT ALL AS A SIDE LOAD, BACK LOAD GARAGE ON MY LOT. OKAY, GO AHEAD. UH, THIS ONE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A ATTACHED GARAGE THAT'S APPARENT FROM THE STREET. UH, ANOTHER, UH, FRONT LOAD GARAGE APPARENT FROM THE STREET. THESE ARE ALL IN THE DISTRICT, ANOTHER FRONT LOAD GARAGE APPARENT IN THE STREET. I AM TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH AS MUCH, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, UM, WITH GARAGES THAT ARE BUILT ONTO THE HOUSES AND THEY'RE JUST OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MORE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT ALLOWED, UM, GARAGES. THIS ONE IS, YOU CAN SEE IT ON SHERMAN. IT DOES HAVE AN ATTACHED FRONT LOAD GARAGE YES. COMMISSIONERS. AND THE ONE ON BURN BURNETT. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A BREEZEWAY BETWEEN, BUT IT'S STILL TECHNICALLY AN ATTACHED GARAGE. UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION. OH, [00:25:01] YES. UM, IS IT, WOULD IT BE CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE AREAS OF DISAGREEMENT WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDOWS? OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME, UH, COMMUNICATION THAT EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'RE IN LINE WITH. YEAH. YEAH. I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. BEFORE WE GET INTO DISCUSSION, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU DECIDE. WE WANT TO TRY TO REBOOT THE AUDIO SYSTEM AND SO WE'LL NEED TO RECESS TO DO THAT. UM, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS ITEM FIRST, THEN MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT IN RE OR IF THIS MIGHT BE A, IT'S EVERYBODY AND WE'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO POSSIBLY A MOTION AND DISCUSSION. LET'S TAKE A RECESS, REBOOT THE SYSTEM AND HOPEFULLY COME BACK AND EVERYONE CAN HEAR EVERYTHING. SO IF, UH, YOU'LL GIVE US ABOUT 10 MINUTES, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET BACK ONLINE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU. UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER BAKER. MR. CHAIR, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF AND THEN ONE COMMENT. THE FIRST QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. THE LAST SENTENCE SAYS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT EITHER A DETACHED GARAGE IS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANOTHER OPTION THAT STAFF WAS RECOMMENDING OR IF THE WORD EITHER WAS JUST A, A LIKELY A TYPO THERE. THEIR STAFF DID NOT HAVE ANOTHER OPTION IN MIND. OKAY, THANKS. UH, SO, UH, SO, SO MY ONE COMMENT, UH, ALTHOUGH NOT NECESSARILY IN THE PUR NOT IN THE PURVIEW, I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER, WAS, UH, I I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH CONNECTING A, WHICH I BELIEVE WOULD BE A SLAB ON GRADE STRUCTURE TO AN OLDER HOUSE. LET ME JUST TRY LYNN, I'M GONNA MAKE YOU A PANELIST REAL QUICK. IF YOU UNMUTE, TRY TO SAY SOMETHING. SO, YEAH, I, I CAN SEE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YET. SO JUST SIT TIGHT. WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO GET TO YOU. UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE SINCE THEY'RE HERE IN PERSON. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN H C R C [00:30:01] CASE 2023 DASH 0 29 13 15 MARCH AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REMOVE THE EXISTING CHAIN LINK FENCE AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW WROUGHT IRON FENCE FEATURING METAL MESH AND A MO AND A MOTORIZED SLIDING GATE TO REMOVE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND INSTALL A NEW DRIVEWAY TO FEATURE 24 FOOT WIDE. UM, FOUR FEET IN WIDTH, UH, THREE AT A SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY PARALLEL TO MARCH A AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REMOVAL THE EXISTING CHAINING FENCE AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW WR IRON FENCE WITH THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AND A MOTORIZED SLIDING GATE BASED ON FINDING D AND E WITH THE STIPULATION AT THE METAL MESH O ONLY BE INSTALLED ON THE MOTORIZED PORTION OF THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS NUMBER TWO, THE WIDENING OF THE DRIVEWAY TO A MAXIMUM OF 24 FEET IN WIDTH BASED ON FINDING C. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE ADDITION OF THE SIDEWALK ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY ALONG MARCH AVENUE BASED ON FINDING F. OKAY. OKAY, THE APPLICANT RAFAEL AND GARY ARE ATTENDING IN PERSON. THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO ITEMS TWO AND THREE. THE APPLICANT HAS PARTIALLY CONSENTED TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FENCE HEIGHT CONSIDERED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. UH, HELLO. UH, MY NAME IS GERARDO NORIEGA. AND, UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE, UH, WE, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MATCH THE EXISTING ADJACENT WR IRON FENCE THAT'S THERE, UH, WHICH IS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. UM, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED, UH, I ONE INDUSTRIAL AND, UH, PER U D C REQUIREMENTS, WE, UH, IT IS ALLOWED TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE FOR INDUSTRIAL USAGE. AND, UH, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MATCH ALSO TO KEEP INCONSISTENCY WITH THE, UH, NEIGHBOR NEXT TO IT ON 1319 MARCH AVENUE. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE MESH ON THE GATE, WE'RE ALSO FOLLOWING, UH, THE REQUIRED CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR LIFE SAFETY. UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A MOTORIZED GATE, YOU GOTTA HAVE TO HAVE A MESH ON THE GATE SO PEOPLE WON'T ACCIDENTALLY TRY TO STOP IT AND GET THEIR ARM JAMMED IN THERE, UH, AND GET IT BROKEN. UH, THAT WAS A PURPOSE FOR THAT. UH, NOTHING ELSE JUST TO FOLLOW CODE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF. CAN YOU CONFIRM THE, THE ZONING ON THIS PROPERTY? UM, YEAH, IT IS ZONED, UH, I DASH ONE, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. UM, MR. NORIEGA, UM, YOUR ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL. UM, I SEE A HOUSE. HOW IS THIS LOT BEING USED CURRENTLY? OH, IT WAS A VACANT LOT AND THE NEW OWNER, WHO IS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, UH, BOUGHT IT AND HE WANTS TO USE IT AS A, UH, MATERIAL STORAGE. UM, SO OUR NEXT STEP AFTER THIS, HE JUST WANTED TO SECURE THE LOT. UH, THE HOUSE IS NOT BEING USED AT ALL. IT'S EMPTY. UM, WHAT HE'S, HIS PLANS ARE BY ADDING, BY SECURING THE LOT IS TO BUILD A, UH, A WAREHOUSE, UH, SETBACK SO HE CAN STORE HIS MATERIALS. THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE NEW DRIVEWAY AND THEN THE SECURE FENCE. UM, AND IS THERE A TIMELINE ON THAT? UH, WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WE'LL BE SUBMITTING THE, UH, WAREHOUSE FOR THE PROPERTY. OKAY, THANK YOU. YES. OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YEAH. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO IS THE SIX FEET ONLY BECAUSE YOU WANNA MATCH THAT, I THINK IT'S PICTURE EIGHT. SLIDE EIGHT. IT'S A EIGHT FOOT FENCE JUST ON ONE PART OF ONE SIDE OF THE LOT. BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER REASONS WHY YOU WOULD WANT EIGHT FEET OR NOT SIX FEET? UH, WELL IT'S MORE SECURE FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY. AND I MEAN, WE, JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE MATCHED THE HEIGHT THAT WAS NEXT TO IT AND WE KNEW THAT PER U D C REQUIREMENTS, WE CAN GO EIGHT FEET. WE CONFERRED WITH OUR CLIENT AND THEY WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WANTED AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE. BUT HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THE, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE ON A HISTORIC DISTRICT, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT? WE USUALLY OWN IT OUT FOR SIX AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN MANY INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS, LIKE, IS THERE EVEN AN, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DEAL BREAKER IF WE HAVE TO GO TO SIX FEET? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT MY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. NOW. DISCUSSION [00:35:01] COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AMENDMENT TO BE, HE ALLOWED TO, HE BE ALLOWED TO USE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AS REQUESTED MOTION. SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. IT DOESN'T THAT NULLIFY. SO WE HAVE MOTION OR SECOND ON AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WITH THE REST OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER SANTES? YEAH, I DO BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND I DON'T SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY DETRACT FROM WHAT HE'S GOT GOING DOWN THE REST OF THE STREET THERE. WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR WHAT IT'S ZONED FOR, HE'S GONNA BE STORING EQUIPMENT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF SIX FEET'S GONNA BE THE ENOUGH TO SECURE ANYTHING THAT'S THERE, BUT EIGHT FEET DEFINITELY MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN SOMEONE TRYING TO JUMP OVER AND, AND GET IT STUFF THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET AT. SO, YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. MAYOR VELASQUEZ. UH, WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'M, I'M, I'M NOTICING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY FROM THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF, UM, OF THE AREA, I WAS LOOKING AT IT JUST FROM THE DRAWING THAT THAT WAS SUBMITTED. BUT REALLY YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ENTIRE AREA. IT'S THE AREA OF STINSON FIELD. UM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT GETS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT THAT THAT IS A KINDA RANCH HOUSE. UM, BUT I MEAN, IN THE, NOT IN THE ARCHITECTURAL SENSE OF THE TERM RANCH, BUT IN THE RANCH, THE RANCHO AND, AND, UM, STEEL, UH, WORKING ENVIRONMENTS. SO IT HAS A, IT HAS A RICH HISTORY, BUT, BUT IT STILL EXISTS AS AN AREA THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU GO FURTHER OUT, YOU END UP ASHLEY STEEL AND OTHER, OTHER PLACES THAT, THAT, UH, ARE DEFINITELY IN THE CHARACTER OF THE OLD SCHOOL INDUSTRIAL BOB WIRE, ALL THOSE THINGS. RIGHT. THIS SEEMS TO BE A, A, A, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE. UM, BUT IT'S A AREA AND, AND IF IF IT'S REQUIRED TO MAXIMIZE SECURITY, THEN, THEN IT IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF, UM, SAY THE OTHER FENCES DOWN THE LINE. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO GO WITH A SIX FOOT FENCE OR SIX FOOT HEIGHT. IT'S PROBABLY PREFERABLE TO THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S, IT HELPS, UH, UM, UH, SOLIDIFY A STANDARD. RIGHT. UM, BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UH, AMENDMENT LOOKING AT THE, AT THE LARGER MAP. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR. CAN I CLARIFY? YES, MA'AM. I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY. THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE ITEM. THE FIRST MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THE AMENDED MOTION WAS TO APPROVE THE ITEM WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND AMEND THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE FROM SIX FEET TO EIGHT FEET. GOT IT. WE NEED A OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. I HAVE ONE. MR. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU. SORRY. UM, SO I SEE THE NEIGHBOR'S FENCE FURTHER DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE 24. EDWARD. UH, SORRY CLAUDIA. UM, 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE ATTACHING ONE SECTION AND THEN YOU HAVE THOSE PILLARS TOO. THE PILLARS ARE GONNA STAY, RIGHT? THE BRICK PILLARS THAT ARE ON THE PICTURES. UH, SO I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE INDUSTRIAL PART OF, OF, OF, OF THE PROJECT AND, AND THE LOT ITSELF. BUT I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THERE'S ENOUGH YET. WE'VE APPROVED EIGHT FOOT FENCES MORE FOR SECURITY, BUT I MEAN, I THINK YOU'RE GETTING A SIX FOOT ALREADY ON THE FRONT, WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS, BECAUSE IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL LOT. NORMALLY WE ONLY DO FOUR AND THEN THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS WAY FURTHER DOWN, SO I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW IT'S VISUALLY YOU CAN, EIGHT FOOT FENCE IS RUN NEXT DOOR. IT'LL BE ATTACHED. IT'LL BE CONNECTED TO IT. YOU GO DOWN THE BLOCK. YEAH. BUT THERE ARE THESE PILLARS, BREAK PILLARS THAT ARE THEY GONNA BE REMOVED? ARE THEY STAYING? THE E EVERYTHING THAT'S EXISTING IN THE FENCE IS GONNA BE TAKEN DOWN. SO THE, IT DIDN'T BE BECAUSE THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE AT, I'M ASSUMING IT WAS USED AS A RESIDENCE. I DON'T KNOW. AND THAT, AND THAT'S REALLY MY, AND IT GOT REZONED TO INDUSTRIAL. YEAH. WHICH, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA GO LIVE THERE AND OR THIS NEW OWNER IS A CONTRACTOR. HE DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE THERE. HE'S GOING TO TURN THAT INTO HIS CONSTRUCTION YARD. BUT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY HAS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ON THE SIDE, BUT NOT ON THE FRONT. ON THE FRONT. YEAH, IT'S ON THE FRONT AS WELL. IT TURNS THE CORNER AND IT GOES TO THE FRONT STAFF. CAN YOU PUT UP THE, UH, STREET VIEW ON THE WELL, BUT IT'S A TRANSPARENT EIGHT FOOT. YES. THIS WILL NOT BE TRANSPARENT. YES. OURS, OURS IS A ROD [00:40:01] IRON FENCE. ROD IRON, YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT HAS THE MESHS, THE GATE ITSELF, THAT THEN MOVES FOR CODE REQUIREMENTS AND IT'S A, IT LOOKS DARKER ON THE DRAWING, BUT IT'S JUST A MESH. UH, YOU CAN SEE THROUGH IT. YOU JUST CAN'T PUT YOUR HAND THROUGH IT, UH, FOR SAFETY REASONS. MR. CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO, YES. COMMISSIONER OBSERVATIONS. UM, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE REQUEST FOR HAVING A TALLER FENCE MM-HMM. , IT'S A BUSY, RELATIVELY BUSY ROAD AS COMMISSIONER, UH, VELAZQUEZ SAID IT'S A RURAL ISH SETTING. I, I GET ALL THAT. AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT ALSO LENDS ITSELF, THE ZONING ALMOST IS IRRELEVANT AT THIS POINT. MM-HMM. , AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT MAY BE USED IN THAT WAY, BUT VISUALLY AND BASED ON THE HOUSE IN THAT SITE, IT IS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PURPOSES, A RESIDENTIAL SITE. AND SO FOR THAT REASON, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE FOR ME WOULD SEEM LIKE VERY PRISON-LIKE IT WOULDN'T, THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THAT SIX FOOT FENCE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND I CAN SEE IT. EIGHT FOOT FENCE FOR COMMERCIAL, LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR'S BUILDING LOOKS COMMERCIAL, DOESN'T IT? YEP. THE DRIVEWAY, THE PARKING, ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS SAYS COMMERCIAL. SO THE FENCE IS A MORE COMMERCIAL GRADE MATERIAL AND HEIGHT. YOUR PROPERTY IS CLEARLY, IF WE DIDN'T KNOW IT, IF WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING WAS, WE WOULDN'T KNOW IT WAS INDUSTRIAL. WE WOULD THINK IT WAS RESIDENTIAL OF SOME SORT. SO I'M SEEING IT AS HOW DOES THE FENCE REINFORCE THE PHYSICAL NATURE OF THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE ALREADY ON THE SITE. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ZONING, IT'S NON-CONFORMING ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE LOT BASICALLY. BUT WE DON'T WANNA LOOK AT THAT SO MUCH. IT'S WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES ITS ROLE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? AND FOR ME IT'S CLEARLY RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S HOW I'M APPROACHING THIS. OKAY, THANK YOU. I WANNA SAY ONE MORE THING, MR. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. IF THERE'S NO OTHER, I'D LIKE TO SAY ASK SOMETHING TO THE APPLICANT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SO SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I'M, I PULLED UP A, UM, MAP OF 1319, UM, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP. I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND. SO, UM, IN RESPECT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, UM, UM, WHO JUST SPOKE, UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, I SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT BUTTS AGAINST YOUR, UM, YOUR PROPERTY LINE. AND THEN NOW I SEE THE FRONT OF 1319 AS WELL. SO YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER THAT YOU, YOU FIRST, YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE THE OTHER PROPERTY NEXT TO YOU HAD A EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND THEN YOU SAID IT WAS ABOUT SECURITY. SO, UM, WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU? BECAUSE THEN YOU ALSO SAID AT THE END THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF YOU GOT A SIX FOOT FENCE, IT WOULDN'T BE A DEAL BREAKER. SO I'M TRYING TO, I'M, I'M TRYING TO WEIGH BOTH OPTIONS HERE TO SEE WHICH ONE WOULD WORK FOR YOU, I THINK. BUT WHAT WOULD SAY YOU WERE NEXT IDEALLY? UH, THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE WORKS BECAUSE THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT, UH, 'CAUSE OF THE ZONING, RIGHT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND IT MATCHED THE ADJACENT, UH, THE, THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR. SO IT CONTINUED WITH THAT HEIGHT. UH, THE CONFERRING WITH MY CLIENT, I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT AND HE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT FENCE. I SAY IT WASN'T A DEAL BREAKER BECAUSE IT'S NOT, HE STILL HAS TO DO HIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT GONNA KILL IT. YOU KNOW, IF HE HAD TO GO SIX FOOT, UH, PROFESSIONALLY AS AN ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE HOUSE IS NOT GONNA BE USED AS A HOUSE GOING THROUGH PERMITTING. AND, AND THEY MADE US REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE ALREADY FOR THE COMMERCIAL PORTION OF IT THAT HE'S GONNA USE FOR HIS TRUCKS. SO WE COULDN'T HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THAT PROPERTY. SO WE'RE STUCK IN HERE LIKE, OKAY, I CAN'T EVEN USE, I WOULD'VE LOVED TO KEPT THE DRIVEWAY TO THE RESIDENCE TO HAVE THAT MAYBE CONVERTED INTO HIS OFFICE, BUT WE CAN'T, SO WE ONLY CAN KEEP ONE DRIVEWAY THERE. SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ENCLOSE IT, UH, WITH THE, A FOOT FENCE ALL THE WAY AROUND, KEEP IT CONTIGUOUS WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR. AND, UH, AND WITH THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING THAT I GUESS THE CITY HAD PLANNED FOR THAT AREA, UM, I THINK IT STILL COMPLIES. AND WITH THE OVERALL INTENT AND WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE INDUSTRIAL. [00:45:02] WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE CAN'T FIGHT THAT. SO THAT'S JUST MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION TO THIS MATTER. YES, I WOULD CHIME IN HERE AND, AND SAY, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SAVINO AND THE RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF THE, THE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE, THE PROMINENT, UH, STRUCTURE ON THE, ON THE SITE. AND, UH, SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT. UH, ONE OPTION MIGHT BE, WELL WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE, THE AMENDED MOTION FOR EIGHT FOOT TO SEE IF IT PASSES. UM, IF IT DOESN'T PASS THEN I MAY MAKE ANOTHER SUGGESTION. BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVANTE, I MEAN, VELASQUEZ, YOU HAVE A, WHAT WHAT I WANTED ON THIS MOTION, WANTED TO ASK, UM, THE APPLICANT SOMETHING, DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND AN AN AMENDED MOTION ON THE, ON THE TABLE? RIGHT. CLEARLY THERE'S A, A GOOD MAJORITY THAT SEEMS TO BE AN OPINION OF A SIX FOOT FENCE. I THINK IT, THIS IS A DISTRICT THREE PROJECT. I THINK IT'S IN THE DISTRICT THAT MY, MY COUNCILWOMAN IS, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, GROWING UP IN THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU, YOU, YOU REALLY KNOW THE SOUTH SIDE WHEN YOU GROW UP IN THE SOUTH SIDE MM-HMM. . SO NEXT DOOR IS AN EVENT CENTER, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. AND, AND IT, AND IT HAS QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY. UM, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A MINI CONVENTION CENTER. UM, SO IT'S QUESTIONABLE, EVEN LIKE IF THE OTHER ONE IS AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE, HOW IS IT AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE? BECAUSE IT, IT WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME, UH, THEORY, RIGHT? OF, OF A SIX FOOT FENCE. IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, UH, IT WAS A NEW FENCE AT ONE TIME. 'CAUSE THAT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT. TAKING THAT INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL OF, UH, COMMISSIONER ENO'S, UM, COMMENTS, UH, JERRY, IS THERE ANY, ANY POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BE APPROACHED AS TWO PROJECTS, OR MAYBE IT'S ONE PROJECT, BUT, BUT, BUT DESIGNED AS TWO PROJECTS TO WHERE THE FENCE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS TREATED TO TREAT THE HOUSE SEPARATELY, WHEREAS THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE BECOMES THE EIGHT FOOT SEGMENT THAT IS DONE RESPECTIVE OF THE, OF THE, OR RESPECTFUL OF THE, OF THE SIX FOOT, FOUR FOOT SECTION, WHAT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . SO THAT IF, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN THE, AT THIS, UM, ENTERTAINMENT AREA, RIGHT? AND THEN IT STEPS OFF AND THERE'S THIS HOUSE ANOMALY OR THE ENTERTAINMENT THING IS THE ANOMALY, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S THIS HOUSE, AND THEN PERHAPS IT TRANSITIONS ITSELF SO AS MAYBE THE, THE THE, WHAT WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE REPRESENTS THE LINE OF THE FENCE. SURE. RIGHT? SO PERHAPS THE HIGHER LINE OF THE FENCE IS IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE AND THE LOWER LINE OF THE FENCE IS, IS THAT SIX FOOT FENCE AND AT THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE MOTIONS ARE DROPPED OR THAT, OR THAT OR THAT YOU DROP YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR REQUEST AND, AND GO TO A, UH, UM, A, A DIFFERENT, UH, SUBMITTAL OR A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER THE CONSIDERATION IS, OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD CONSIDER IN ONE OF THE MOTIONS. A LITTLE CONFUSING. BUT FOOD FOR THOUGHT, I THINK, I THINK THAT IT, IT'S ENOUGH TO, TO WRAP YOUR, YOUR, YOUR HEAD AROUND. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A A A QUICK QUESTION THAT YES. THAT I THINK WILL HELP RESOLVE SOMETHING FOR ME. THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL IS ONLY FOR THE SOUTH STRETCH OF THE FENCE, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE WESTERN BOUND PROPERTY BOUNDARY AT THIS TIME. CORRECT. OR ARE YOU WANTING TO RUN A, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE ALONG YOUR IT'S JUST THE FRONT. YES. IT'S JUST THE FRONT. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT EIGHT FOOT FENCE, OR THE PROPOSED EIGHT FOOT FENCE WOULD THEN COME TO, UH, A NEIGHBOR THAT'S REALLY MORE IN LINE WITH MORE OF WHAT YOU SEE ON THE STREET THERE. SO THE ANOMALY IS REALLY THAT EVENT CENTER AS, AS, AS COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS, WAS SAYING. AND, UM, I WOULD THINK IF, IF SIX IS ENOUGH FUNCTIONAL, IT'S IN A SENSE STEPPING DOWN FROM THE EVENT CENTER TO THE NEIGHBOR ON THE WEST AND THAT, THAT WOULD, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE A MORE SENSITIVE APPROACH, UH, TO WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON AROUND THERE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HAPPY, ALWAYS HAPPY TO SEE CHAIN LINK FENCES GO AWAY. UM, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING I CONSIDER, UH, VERY AESTHETICALLY OR HISTORICALLY OR CULTURALLY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. SO I HAD A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT EVENTUALLY THERE WAS GONNA BE A WAREHOUSE THERE. IS THAT PIE IN THE SKY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS NO, NO, IT'LL HAPPEN. HAPPENING. YEAH. SO DOES THAT ENTAIL, UH, DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE OR MOVING THE HOUSE? NO, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE LOT. WELL, ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, RIGHT THERE, THAT BUILDING, [00:50:01] UH, THAT'S A DILAPIDATED METAL STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE REMOVED. AND THEN THE, THE NEW METAL BUILDING'S GONNA BE BUILT KIND OF BEHIND THERE IN THE CENTER OF THAT LOT. SO THE HOUSE WILL BE, WILL REMAIN. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF EVENTUALLY IF THE OWNER WANTS TO, HE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR REMOVING THE HOUSE IF HE EVER WANTS TO, UH, COME THROUGH HERE AND, AND ASK FOR PERMISSION. BUT, UH, THOSE ARE NOT HIS INTENTS RIGHT NOW. HE HASN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING THAT, OF THAT NATURE TO ME. SO, SO ARE THOSE LOTS, UH, CONTIGUOUS? IS IT ONE LARGE LOT OR IS IT DIVIDED BY A FENCE? THOSE ARE CONTIGUOUS. THERE'S NO FENCE IN BETWEEN 'EM. I HAVE A QUICK, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES SIR. DO YOU KNOW HOW THOSE PYLONS THERE, THOSE, THOSE BRICK PYLONS, ARE THEY ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE OR ARE THEY ANY IDEA HOW LONG THEY THEY'VE BEEN THERE? I HAVE NO IDEA. I'M HERE JUST TO TALK ABOUT THE FENCE, THE DRIVEWAY WIDE WIDENING AND THE MOTORIZED GATE. YEAH. OKAY. UH, AND AT THIS POINT I WANNA THANK MY COMMISSIONERS FOR THE CONVERSATION ON THE SIX FOOT AMENDMENT. I DO APPRECIATE IT. A LOT OF STUFF WAS POINTED OUT AND I DO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND ONE LAST QUESTION THEN I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE. UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE C O A ON THE WAREHOUSE, UH, WOULD YOU BE INCLUDING ANY OTHER FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY LIKE THE, TO THE, UM, WEST OF THE WAREHOUSE? UH, I DON'T KNOW YET. OKAY. WHAT'S THAT EXISTING FENCE? I THINK IT'S CHAIN LINK. CHAIN LINK. BUT THE HEIGHT IS THAT SIX? I DO NOT KNOW THE HEIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER. UM, SO I'VE GOT, GOT ONE COMMENT. UH, MS. NOGA, THANKS FOR COMING HERE AND, AND, UH, PRESENTING THIS. I, I GUESS KNOWING THAT THE FENCE IS ONLY GONNA BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT, I DON'T FEEL LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE PROVIDES ANY ADDITIONAL SECURITY, BECAUSE IF I WANTED TO BREAK IN, I WOULD JUST GO AROUND THE FENCE, THEN I WOULDN'T TRY TO CLIMB OVER IT. SO, UH, I, I ALSO, YEAH, I, I SERVED IN THE ARMY FOR 20, 28 YEARS AND I KNOW HOW TO BREACH OBSTACLES AND I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD, UH, THAT WOULD NOT DISSUADE ME. IF YOU HAD A 20 FOOT FENCE THERE, I WOULD JUST GO AROUND IT. BUT THE, UM, I, I GUESS I WALKED DOWN THE STREET ON, UH, ON GOOGLE MAPS AND SAW THAT THERE'S A INDUSTRIAL FACILITY THAT'S GOT OFFICE STRUCTURES ON IT AT 1212. UM, SAME, UH, 12, 12 MARCH. IT'S GOT SIX FOOT. I THINK IT LOOKS PRETTY NICE. UM, I NOTED THAT, UH, THEY DID NOT PUT ANY MESH IN THEIR SLIDING FENCE AND IT'S A, IT'S A LINEAR SLIDING FENCE AS WELL. I KNOW THAT THE CODE REQUIRES THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO KEEP, KEEP ANY OBJECT FROM GETTING PINCHED BETWEEN A MOVING OBJECT AND A STATIONARY OBJECT. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADJUDICATE THAT. UM, 'CAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, IF THE FENCE IS MOVING, AND THIS IS FOR THE STAFF, SO IF YOU PUT MESH ON THE SLIDING PART OF THE FENCE, BUT NOT ON THE OTHER PART, THEN SOMEBODY COULD GO TO THE STATIONARY PART WHERE THE, WHERE THE FENCE IS MOVING TO AND SIMILARLY GET THEIR ARM PINCHED. SO, SO I DON'T, THERE'S NO VALUE IN PUTTING MESH ON PART OF IT. YOU EITHER PUT MESH ON THE WHOLE THING OR YOU PUSH MESH ON NONE OF IT. BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE SENSORS ON THE FENCES THAT CAN HELP, UH, PHOTO SENSORS THAT CAN, THAT CAN PROVIDE THE REQUISITE SAFETY WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT MESH ON THE FENCE. AND SO I WOULD REQUEST THAT STAFF EXPLORE THAT. UM, AND, UH, AND I WOULD WANT TO AMEND THE, THE MOTION THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT NOT PUTTING MESH AT ALL ON IT, IF THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE CODE COMPLIANT. THANK YOU. SO MR. CHAIR, IN LIGHT OF DISCUSSION, I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT. I'LL WITHDRAW, I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION FOR AMENDMENT. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS AMENDED MOTION FIRST, SECOND. CAN I ANSWER A SECOND TO THAT AMENDMENT? SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND FOR TO APPROVE A STAFF STIPULATIONS, ACCEPT THE MESH ON THE GATE? YES. OKAY. DISCUSSION ON THAT. CAN I MENTION SOMETHING TO THE MESH? YES OR YES. UM, THAT IS OF A CODE REQUIREMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT OTHER PROPERTY DIDN'T DO IT. UH, YOU CAN ASK PLAN THE PERMITTING DEPARTMENT OVER HERE NOW, UH, MESH ON THE GATE MOVING PART. THE MOVING PART OF IT IS FOR LIFE SAFETY. IT'S FOR, BELIEVE ME, I'VE SEEN THE VIDEOS WHERE PEOPLE [00:55:01] CAN GET PINCHED THROUGH THERE. IF IT'S STATIONARY, OBVIOUSLY IT CAN'T TAKE YOU, YOU CAN STILL REACH AROUND, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA SQUISH YOU OR IT WON'T GRAB YOUR ARM OR BREAK IT. BUT THIS MEANT FOR THE MOVING PART TO, IF YOU PUT YOUR ARM THROUGH THERE, IT WON'T, UH, SNAP IT. PART OF THE CORE REQUIREMENTS ARE SENSORS. YOU HAVE SENSORS IN THE BACK END OF THE GATE, THE FRONT END OF THE GATE, AND THEY HAVE BUMPER SENSORS AS WELL. SO IT'S, UH, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. UM, AND SINCE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT OFTEN, UH, IF SOMEONE IN, UH, FOR INSTANCE DOESN'T, WANTS TO RUN THROUGH THERE OR WHATEVER AND DOESN'T GET CAUGHT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT'S FOR, UH, SAFETY ISSUES AND I FORGOT THE CODE REQUIREMENT. WHAT DOES THAT U F C CAN STAFF CLARIFY HOW THE CODE WORKS WHEN WE'RE IN HISTORIC DISTRICT I B C, IT'S PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, WHICH WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, SIR, FOR PERMITTING. I, THEY MORE KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO. IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT CODE THING, IT'S A LIFE SAFETY THING BECAUSE YOU COULD PUT YOUR ARM IN THE GATE AND THE GATE COULD OPEN AND THEN YOU COULD BE CAUGHT IN A BAD SITUATION. SO I THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE. MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE EVEN ASK FOR NOT HAVING A MESH? IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IF IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT, THEN IT'S A CODE REQUIREMENT. WE CANNOT REQUIRE THAT AS INSTITUTION, MR. CHAIR, POTENTIALLY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE US IS AN ARCHITECT. HE HAS A LICENSE AND, UM, HE KIND OF TRUMPS OUR OPINION WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, STATING CODE. HE, HE MOST DEFINITELY CAN BE WRONG, BUT IT'S HIS LICENSE ON THE LINE, YOU KNOW. WELL, THAT'S MY POINT. SO THE AMENDMENT THAT'S ON THE TABLE IS VOIDED BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT REALLY IS INVALID. RIGHT. I THINK ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE THE ACTION THAT THEY FEEL IS MOST APPROPRIATE WITH WHAT THEY ARE SET TO REVIEW IT BY, WHICH IS THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. UM, IF THERE'S A CONFLICT, THEN THE APPLICANT HAS THE ABILITY TO REMEDY THAT WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UM, THE SOLUTION MIGHT BE THAT IT'S NOT A SIGHTING GATE ANYMORE, IT MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOMETHING ELSE. AND SO WE CAN ALWAYS RECONCILE THOSE DIFFERENCES, UM, ONCE WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS COMMISSION. OKAY. AND THE, THE APPLICANT CAN STILL, EVEN IF THIS COMMISSION SUGGESTS THAT THERE'S NO MESH, YOU COULD STILL PUT IT IN TO MEET THE LIVE SAFETY CODE. OKAY. YES. OKAY. NOW, MR. CHAIR, YOU, YOU ASKED FOR DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AREA, I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT ON US TO KNOW THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. UH, THERE'S A CEMETERY ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A CEMETERY. THE, THE AREA IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. AND AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE DRAWING THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T MATTER MUCH TO ME, BUT, BUT BEING AWARE OF THE, THE AREA AND, YOU KNOW, MEMORY OF DRIVING DOWN THAT STREET, KNOWING WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT'S BEEN FOR SO LONG, THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS AN INDUSTRIAL CHARACTER. UM, IT IS IN KEEPING WITH THAT. AND THAT'S GOING ALL THE WAY TO HITTING ROOSEVELT TO WHERE IT DEAD ENDS ON MISSION, WHICH IS AGAIN, AGAIN IN THAT GENERAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE AIRPORT. SO THE, THE REAL CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE THAT TYPICALLY THERE'S NO ONE OUT THERE. THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS DARK AT NIGHT AND YOU'RE KIND OF LEFT TO YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN DEVICES WITH WHAT YOU LEAVE OUT THERE. AND THE PREVAILING PATTERN IS VERY CLEARLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY WITHIN THE REQUEST OF THIS APPLICANT THAT IN REALITY WE MOVE TO A SIX. WE'RE KIND OF GOING AGAINST THE PATTERN OF THE AREA. UH, SO I, I WOULD ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, TO LOOK AT THE UPGRADE AND REALLY IF THERE'S ANY GIVE AND TAKE, IT WOULD BE WITHIN RE WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE TREATMENT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THAT HOUSE, BUT NOT WITH RESPECT TO THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY. THESE ARE VERY LARGE PROPERTIES THAT ARE USED. PRIMARILY THEY WERE AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES AND IT'S AT SOME POINT THEY TURNED INDUSTRIAL. AND IF YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH ON ROOSEVELT, YOU'LL SEE IT NEVER, IT DOESN'T STOP ALL THE WAY TO FOUR 10 PO. POSSIBLY A LITTLE BIT BEYOND. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, WE NEED TO MOVE ON. UH, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CASES THAT HAVE BEEN HELD UP AND I THINK WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION PRO AND CON ON ALL THE AMENDMENTS. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE, ON THE FLOOR, ON THE TABLE TO DELETE THE MESH. I CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. CAN WE CLARIFY THE VOTE? SO THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE MESH. IF THIS IS APPROVED, THEN WE WOULD VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT ON THE EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT? NO, THAT WAS WITHDRAWN. SO IT'S THE ONE AMENDMENT ABOUT THE MESH. YOU GOT THAT? I, IT'S CLEAR THAT LET'S DEAL WITH THE, LET'S DEAL WITH THE SECOND AMENDMENT FIRST, AND THEN IF COMMISSIONER SEVAN SAYS, WANTS TO, THERE YOU GO THERE. UH, RETRACT HIS FIRST MOTION. WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY, SO ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS [01:00:01] NAY FISH, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU, BUT I KNOW YOU SAID ABSTAIN. SAVINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ NAY, MAZUA, NAY. CARPENTER, NAY GROUP. NAY, CERVANTES, NAY BAKER. AYE. FETZER, NAY. THE AMENDMENT FAILS. AMENDMENT FAILS. NOW THERE'S ANOTHER AMENDMENT. A AMEND MOTION. DO YOU STILL WISH US TO VOTE ON IT OR DO YOU RETRACT IT? I THINK WE'RE GONNA, I I'LL LET IT VOTE BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A MIX OF EIGHT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET. EIGHT AND SIX AND THE SIX ARE THE CHAIN LINK, OLD STYLE FENCES. ALL THE NEWER FENCES THAT HAVE BEEN UPGRADED RECENTLY LOOK TO BE NEWER ARE EIGHT. SO I'LL LET THAT VOTE GO. OKAY. CALL ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. MR CHAIR, MAY I SPEAK TO THAT? SO THE, THE WROUGHT IRON FENCE THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD IS SIX FEET. IT'S NOT EIGHT FEET TO THE WEST AT 1212 IT'S SIX FEET. SO, OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ACTUALLY BOTH AN EIGHT AND A SIX FOOT AS YOU HEAD TO THE WEST. OKAY. ROLL CALL, VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS NAY FISH STILL ABSTAIN. UH, SAVINO NAYYY VELASQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. NAY. GRUBE. NAY. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. NAYYY. FETZER. NAY. THE AMENDMENT FAILS. AMENDMENT FAILS. SO NOW WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE FOR THE MAIN MOTION. GIBBS. AYE. FISH. IT'S AN ABSTAIN. SENO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRU. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. TO THE AUDIO BOOTH, DO WE NEED TO JUST ADJUST THE VOLUME ON WEBEX USERS? COMMISSIONER FISH, CAN YOU TRY TO SAY SOMETHING AGAIN AND WE'LL SEE IF ADJUSTING THE VOLUME SO I CAN SEE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING 'CAUSE YOUR BOX LIGHTS UP, BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE AUDIO. YEAH, I CAN'T HEAR. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 20 22 DASH 5 35 83 21 30 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE THE FRONT LAWN WITH ROCK MULCH PLANNER BEDS ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE MODIFIED WALKWAY AND TO MODIFY THE WALKWAY FROM THE EXISTING CURVING SIDEWALK TO A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE AS SUBMITTED. THE PROPOSED WALK. MULCH SHOULD FEATURE A MATERIAL THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND SHOULD BE LIMITED TO SMALL AREAS. STAFF RECOMMEND THAT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE OVERALL SCAPE DESIGN. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND. ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE MODIFICATION OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. BASED ON FINDING, E RECOMMENDS THE ORIGINAL PROFILE BE REINSTALLED ON SITE. THE APPLICANT JACQUELINE IS ATTENDING IN PERSON AND THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER ONE AND WOULD LIKE ITEM NUMBER TWO TO BE CONSIDERED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. HELLO? HI, I'M THE HOMEOWNER MYSELF AND RAUL. UM, SO AFTER REPAIRING THE HOMES, JUST MAKE SURE IT'S POINTED TOWARDS YOU. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. IS THAT BETTER? YEAH. OKAY. AFTER REPAIRING THE HOMES FOUNDATION, WE NEEDED TO QUICKLY ADDRESS THE LANDSCAPING TO PREVENT EROSION BEFORE WE REPAIRED THE FOUNDATION. AND IT SETTLED BY NEARLY 10 INCHES. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE JUST HOW BAD THE FLOODING ISSUES WERE. THE EXISTING YARD WAS NOT ABLE TO SUSTAIN GRASS ANY LONGER AND THE YARD WAS LITERALLY JUST DIRT. WHEN RAINSTORMS WOULD HAPPEN, THE SOIL WOULD WASH INTO SURROUNDING DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS. SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO CONTAIN THE SOIL IN A TIMELY MANNER TO PREVENT FURTHER SETTLEMENT. THE THREE LANDSCAPING CONTRACTORS WE SPOKE TO DID NOT RECOMMEND GRASS, AS THEY ALL NOTED THAT WEEDS WERE NOT EVEN GROWING IN THE YARD. AS A RESULT, WE OPTED FOR WASH LIMESTONE WITH AN INTENT TO PLANT MORE GREENERY IN THE SPRING PLANTING SEASON. WITH THE ZEROSCAPE DESIGN, WE WERE ALSO HOPING TO REDUCE WATER USAGE PER SAWS WATER SAVER GUIDELINES. THE EXISTING SIDEWALK OR UH, ENTRYWAY WAS UPDATED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS COLLAPSED AND CREATED FLOODING ISSUES DURING RAINSTORMS WATER WOULD POOL AT THE CURVED BEND OF THE ENTRY SIDEWALK. SO WE OPTED FOR A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK DESIGN, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES ON OUR STREET IN MONTICELLO PARK. [01:05:01] THE DESIGN OF THE YARD INCORPORATES NATIVE DROUGHT RESISTANT PLANTS AND MULCH PLANNING BEDS TO MEET THE 50% GREENERY GUIDELINE. THE CURVE DESIGN IN THE MULCH BEDS IS INTENDED TO MIMIC THE PREVIOUS CURVED PATH. SO IN CONCLUSION, THE ENTRY WALKWAY IS POURED AND THE HARDSCAPING MATERIALS ARE LAID. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CONTRACTORS AS WELL AS OURSELVES WERE UNAWARE OF THE O H P C O A PROCESS FOR THE YARD AND LANDSCAPING. AND WE REGRET, REGRET THAT OVERSIGHT, BUT WE ASKED FOR COMPROMISE FROM THE COMMISSION AND FEEL IT WOULD BE AN UNNECESSARY WASTE OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO REPLACE THE WALKWAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER GRUBE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DID YOU REMOVE THE, UH, PREVIOUS OR IS IT UNDERNEATH SOMEWHERE WE REMOVED IT. ALL THE CONCRETE? YEAH, THE CONCRETE. IT WAS COMPLETELY COLLAPSED INTO THE GROUND. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. SO ON, UM, PAGE 12 OF THE APPLICATION, THERE IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN THERE. YES. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS YOU'RE SORT OF COMPROMISE THAT YOU RETAIN A PORTION OF THE, OF THE WHITEWASHED, UH, LIMESTONE, BUT THEN PUT IN THE REST AS CORRECT AND AREA CALCULATIONS WERE PERFORMED? SO FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, I'M MEETING THE 50% GREENERY. HOWEVER, STAFF HAS ASKED JUST VISUALLY THAT MORE GREENERY BE INCORPORATED AND I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIR, OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO MY QUESTION IS, SO WHEN YOU, YOU WENT AHEAD AND YOU, I UNDERSTOOD YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT WHY YOU DID THIS. YES. BUT PRIOR TO YOU DOING THAT, YOU, WHAT OTHER ADVICE DID YOU GET? I MEAN, KNOWING THAT YOU WERE IN A HISTORIC AREA AND KNOWING THAT YOU NEEDED TO GET APPROVAL FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. WHAT OTHER ADVICE DID YOU GET? OR YOU JUST TOOK THE CONTRACTOR'S WORD FOR IT, OR YOU JUST DECIDED TO MOVE ON YOUR OWN? OR HOW DID THAT WORK? SO MY FAMILY'S LIVED IN THAT HOUSE SINCE THE 1960S AND OUR NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING US HAVE LIVED THERE TO 20 TO 30 YEARS. AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MY FAMILY NOR ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WERE AWARE THAT YARD AND LANDSCAPING WAS PART OF THE O P'S JURISDICTION. WE ONLY REALIZED THAT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ITSELF WOULD BE WITHIN THE O P'S JURISDICTION. SO THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION IS, DID THE CONTRACTOR WHO DID THAT, DID THEY MAKE THE DECISION? OR OR DID THEY SAY, OKAY, WELL YOU, DID THEY INFORM YOU THAT YOU WERE IN THE DISTRICT OR NOT IN THE DISTRICT? OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE HOUSE ITSELF AND NOT THE, THE SURROUNDING LAND AROUND THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. THE SECOND PART. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES. BEFORE WE, WE DO HAVE VOICEMAILS ON THIS ITEM. OH, I'M SORRY. I DON'T WANNA SKIP THAT. VOICEMAILS 2133 WEST SAN TEXAS. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE ZERO EIGHT THREE ONE FOUR FOUR EIGHT EIGHT SEVEN. THIS REFERENCE IS 2 0 2 3 2 6 7 6 6. AND THESE REQUESTS ARE MADE BY THE HT, ARE UNNECESSARY AND VERY EXPENSIVE. ROSS, AND TURN THIS OFF. OH, NOT THOSE IMPROVING THE, THEIR HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. I WASN'T EVEN LISTENING [01:10:06] IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET A TRANSCRIPTION OF THAT AUDIO? WILL YOU ALL CHECK YOUR MICS AND JUST MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT AN EXTRA MIC ON? I MEAN, THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THERE'S, THAT ARE MADE BY THE, HERE ARE . OKAY. THIS CALLER STATES, OH, I KNOW THE ISSUE. UM, 2 3 1 4 4 8 8 7. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO 2 0 2 3 2 6 7 6 6. THE, THESE REQUESTS THAT ARE MADE BY THE H R C R C ARE, ARE UNNECESSARY AND VERY EXPENSIVE, AND I BELIEVE THE H C R C NEEDS TO FOCUS ON HOMEOWNERS WHO NEGLECT THEIR HOMES, NOT THOSE IMPROVING THEIR HOMES. AND WHAT THE, UM, NEIGHBORS AT 2130 WEST MAGNOLIA HAVE DONE IS JUST IMPROVED THE, THEIR HOME AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. YES. MY NAME IS RICHARD CAMPO. THIS IS CASE INFO NUMBER 2023 DASH 2 6 7 6 6. AND IT'S CONCERNING THE LANDSCAPING AT 2130 WEST MAGNOLIA, INVOLVING RAUL AND JACKIE RAZA. UH, THE HEARING IS GONNA BE HELD ON FEBRUARY 1ST, UH, 2023. I AM A RETIRED UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, UH, VETERAN, UH, DISABLED. UH, IT HAS BEEN MY PLEASURE AND HONOR TO BE NEIGHBORS TO THESE YOUNG PEOPLE. UH, THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'VE DONE, IT JUST REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY IN SAN ANTONIO, WHERE THE NEW IS COMBINED WITH THE OLD, AND IT BRINGS OUT, UH, THE, THE BEAUTY OF EACH AND EVERY HOUSE. YES, WE ARE IN THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, UH, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THESE YOUNG FOLKS ARE DOING US A FAVOR BY BRINGING OUT THE OLD AND COMBINING IT WITH THE NEW. AND I AM VERY PROUD TO BE THEIR NEIGHBOR AND I LOVE THEIR LANDSCAPING. I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IF YOU CONSIDER JUST KEEPING THEM, KEEPING THEIR LANDSCAPE THE WAY IT IS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM, AND I WILL SUPPORT THEM IN THEIR ENDEAVOR TO, UH, CONTINUE WITH THIS, WITH THIS, UH, PROJECT. AND I WISH, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CALL ME BACK AT THIS NUMBER. HELLO, MY NAME IS MARCEL . I OWNED A HOUSE AT 2126 WEST MAGNOLIA. I AM, UH, CALLING IN REGARDS TO, UH, REQUEST NUMBER, I GUESS 2023 DASH 2 6 7 6 6 ADDRESS, 2130 WEST MAGNOLIA. THEY HAVE A HEARING DATE ON FEBRUARY 1ST. I JUST WANT TO SHOW SUPPORT IN FAVOR OF JACKIE AND RAUL, UM, LEAKING OF, UM, FOR THEIR, UH, LANDSCAPE DESIGN. I HAVE NO, UH, ISSUES WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS. I THINK IT IS IMPROVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FOLLOW UP ALSO ON IMPROVING THEIR LANDSCAPE DESIGN. THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHICH IS DILAPIDATED FALLING DOWN FENCE, FALLING DOWN WALL. AND THIS HAS NOT BEEN RECTIFIED, BUT YET SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO BEAUTIFY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING, UH, I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING, UH, SINGLED OUT. SO I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S FAIR. [01:15:01] AND I THINK THAT, UM, I, BEING THE NEIGHBOR, IT DOES NOT, UH, HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE WAY THE HOUSE LOOKS. I THINK IT BRINGS BEAUTY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS KENDALL LOPEZ AND I LIVE AT 2 1 4 0 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. AND I AM CALLING REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 6 7 6 6. AND THE ADDRESS IS 2 1 3 0 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. AND I AM CALLING TO SHOW MY SUPPORT OF WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS COMPLETED AS IT PERTAINS TO THEIR FRONT YARD. UM, THE RENOVATIONS MADE ARE AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT THE FRONT YARD PREVIOUSLY LOOKED LIKE, AND I COULD ONLY HOPE ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON OUR STREET AND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO IMPROVE THEIR CURB APPEAL. AND I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CHANGES MADE TO 2 1 3 0 WEST MAGNOLIA IMPACT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE AS THE FOOTPRINT WAS NOT CHANGED OR COMPROMISED. SO AGAIN, I AM SHOWING SUPPORT FOR WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS DID AT 2 1 3 0 WEST BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE AGREE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ONE AND TWO. WE NOTE THAT THE WORK WAS COMPLETED WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THE SERPENTINE CURVED WALKWAY APPROACH TO THE HOME IS A CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENT AND IS PREVALENT IS, IS A PREVALENT FEATURE OF MANY OF THE HOMES IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. H C R C TOOK SIMILAR ACTION LAST YEAR FOR A HOME ON NORTH DRIVE WHERE THE FRONT WALKWAY WAS REMOVED WITHOUT A C O A AND REQUESTED THE APPLICANT TO RESTORE IT BACK. IT HAS SINCE BEEN PLACED BACK. WE NOTE THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S 2017 BOND PAID FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AND WENT THROUGH THE O H P PROCESS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE HOME, A NEW CONNECTION TO THE SERPENTINE WALKWAY, TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY, NEW CURVES, A NEW SIDEWALK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND A NEW DRIVEWAY APPROACH, AND A NEW RESURFACE STREET. UM, THESE IMAGES ARE RELEVANT IN THE FEBRUARY, 2021 PREVIOUS CONDITIONS IMAGE THAT YOU CAN SEE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEW CONCRETE THAT WAS THERE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. ONE MORE. HELLO, MY NAME IS GLORIA TORRES AND I LIVE AT 2 1 4 2 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE, AND I AM CALLING ABOUT REQUEST NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 6 7 6 6 AT THE ADDRESS, 2 1 3 0 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. AND I AM CALLING IN SUPPORT OF THE JACKIE LEX AND RAUL BARRANZA AT 2 1 3 0 WEST MAGNOLIA AVENUE. THIS IS REGARDING THEIR LANDSCAPING CHANGES REQUESTING ZEROSCAPE DESIGN AND ENTRY SIDEWALK. UM, THEIR SIDEWALK HAS IMPROVED THE CURB APPEAL AND HAS IMPROVED THEIR FLOODING PROBLEMS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO TEAR OUT THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THEY HAVE MADE. UM, PLEASE PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING NEGLECTED AND ARE BRINGING THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN. UM, ALSO, UM, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU RECEIVED THE SUPPORT AND IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEMS WITH, OKAY, THAT'S ALL THE VOICEMAILS QUESTIONS. UM, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. OH, MR. CHAIR. I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION, RIGHT? I'M OH, YES, SIR. I THINK WE HAD ALREADY GONE THROUGH THAT. I, I WANTED A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY, BY THE, UH, I GUESS YOU'RE NOT APPLICANTS OR THE HOW, HOW WOULD I ADDRESS THEM? ARE THEY APPLICANTS? UH, UH, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANTS. I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, THE ONLY STIPULATION WOULD BE THAT THE, UM, THE MINIMUM AS IT SHOULD BE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANTS AND, AND, AND NO MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED. SO, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANTS TO INCLUDE THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN. WE HAVE A SECOND, A SECOND. HAVE A MOTION A SECOND NOW. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER GROUP. THANK YOU. SORRY. NO, UM, I'M, I'M, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. I THINK, I THINK STAFF DID HAVE A POINT ON JUST ADDING AS MUCH GREENERY AS YOU CAN. I THINK YOU ARE [01:20:01] INTRODUCING A NEW ELEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I, I AM, I'M, IT'S ALWAYS CASE BY CASE, AND I ALWAYS TAKE VERY HIGHLY THE, YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S COMMENTS. UM, I APPRECIATE THEY TOOK THE TIME TO CALL IN AND, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR OPINION. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. BUT IF YOU, IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE ADDED TO THE MOTION JUST STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF ENCOURAGING MORE GREENERY, THAT'LL BE GREAT. MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. WELL, FIRST QUESTION, WAS THAT ON THE PREVIOUS CONDITION ON THE LAST SLIDE, UM, ON PAGE CHART WHERE IT SAYS PREVIOUS CONDITION FEBRUARY, 2021. SO WHEN YOU MADE THE CHANGES, UM, WAS THIS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT OR DID IT LOOK WORSE? 2022. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALREADY TWO YEARS AGO. SO YOU COULD SEE THE GRASSES AL WELL, IT'S NOT EVEN GRASS TO BE HONEST, IT'S WEEDS, BUT YOU COULD SEE THERE'S ALREADY DIRT PATCHES. AND TO BE HONEST, IT'S, UH, AN ISSUE LIKE ON MY WHOLE BLOCK, A LOT OF NEIGHBORS ARE HAVING THE SAME ISSUES KEEPING GRASS ALIVE. UM, ONE OF 'EM GOT THEIR SOIL TESTED JUST AS A SIDE NOTE, AND APPARENTLY THERE'S SOME SORT OF FUNGUS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT'S CAUSING MY HOUSE THE SAME PROBLEMS, BUT THAT WAS WHY WE WENT THE ROUTE WITH THE WASHED LIMESTONE. GOTCHA. AND, AND THE SECOND POINT IS THAT I, UM, ALTHOUGH I DON'T APPROVE OF, YOU KNOW, THE METHOD THAT YOU DID WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROPER APPROVAL, I, I DO JUST, UM, IN AGREEMENT WITH COMMISSIONER GROUP. I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE, YOU KNOW, ALL FOR THAT. AND IF, IF WE CAN GO ALONG WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND JUST ADD THE MORE GREENERY TO THAT, THEN I BELIEVE I CAN SUPPORT THAT MOTION. SO, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, YES. UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YOU'RE SHOWING IN YOUR PROPOSED LANDSCAPE LAYOUT A FOUR FOOT WIDE FRONT WALKWAY, THEN YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE FOOT NINE INCH, NINE 10 INCH MM-HMM. , WHICH IS THE GRAY ACCENT ROCK. WHY WOULD YOU CONSIDER REMOVING THAT ROCK AND USING THAT AS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS FOR YOUR ADDED GREENERY? I WAS PLANNING TO ADD MORE PLANTS ALONG THE PATHWAY, SO IT WOULD BE MORE CONCEALED, IF THAT HELPS. UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT PART OF, PART OF THAT WHOLE AESTHETIC WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF ROCK IS, UM, SOMETIMES, UM, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT FORCED, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE USING THE DARK ROCK THAT IS NOT NORMALLY FOUND. MM-HMM. , I'M ALSO JUST LOOKING AT THE EARLIER PHOTOS, LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THE, UM, LIMESTONE ROCK RELATIVE TO YOUR HOUSE. MM-HMM. JUST REALLY KIND OF CLASHES HAVING SO MUCH, SO MANY DIFFERENT SHAPES, DIFFERENT COLORS. SO I WOULD SUGGEST DOING SOME, THAT BEING ONE OF THE PLACES TO ADD ADDITIONAL GREENERY OKAY. IS ALONG THE, THE PARALLEL SIDES OF THE WALKWAY. MM-HMM. . AND BY KEEPING THAT WALKWAY, YOU HAVE INTRODUCED SORT OF AN AWKWARD CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CITY SIDEWALK AND THEN THE, THE WALKWAY BETWEEN THE CITY SIDEWALK AND THE STREET ORIGINALLY THAT WAS ALL CONNECTED MM-HMM. , AND IT WAS INTENDED TO BE CONNECTED, CONNECTED TO THE FRONT DOOR. SO, UM, THAT IS, UH, AN ODD, AN ODD BYPRODUCT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL GREENERY, ALL THE ADDITIONAL GREENERY I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE. AND, UM, LAWN IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO GO. THERE'S SO MANY WONDERFUL NATIVE PLANTS, GROUND COVERS THAT CAN BE USED THAT MM-HMM. WOULD ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO LOOK INTO. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT NOT ALL OF THE, UH, THE FOLKS THAT CALLED IN WERE IN SUPPORT. IN FACT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS NOT IN SUPPORT. THEY WERE SUPPORTING STAFF'S, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I THINK I SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER THAN TURNING OUR FRONT YARDS INTO MOONSCAPES WITH, UH, INAPPROPRIATELY SCALED ROCKS AND, AND NO, NO VEGETATION. NOW, I THINK THE, THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS HEADING IN A BETTER DIRECTION. AND SO I, I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR THAT, FOR REALIZING THAT THAT'S, THAT THIS IS A LITTLE TOO SEVERE AND A LITTLE TOO STARK. AND THE CONTRASTING OF THE, OF THE, THE WALK WITH THE, THE DARK, UH, GRAVEL IS ALSO JUST WAY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO I WOULD, UH, BE VERY SUPPORTIVE IF THERE COULD BE A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF, OF, UM, OF PLANTING. AND IT'S ZEROSCAPE, NOT ZEROSCAPE, AND IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST THINK THAT, UH, THE ZEROSCAPE MEANS YOU JUST TURN IT INTO A MOONSCAPE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS [01:25:01] TURNING IT INTO A HEAT ISLAND, A LITTLE MINI HEAT ISLAND AROUND YOUR HOUSE. IT'S VERY UNWELCOMING AND, UH, VERY SEVERE AND NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SORT, THE ROMANTIC, UH, SOFT FEELING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SERPENTINE WALK. MM-HMM. WAS ALL, ALL THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT BEING INVITING RATHER THAN LIKE, SOMETHING THAT YOU'D SEE IN A PRISON COMPOUND. SO I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO REALLY, UH, TRY TO SOFTEN IT UP TO BE IN KEEPING WITH A, A CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. AND THAT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENT, LIKE I DESCRIBED BEFORE, IT WAS MEANT TO BE LIKE A MULTI-PHASE PROJECT, BUT IT WASN'T PLANTING SEASON, SO I NEEDED SOMETHING TO JUST CONTAIN THE EARTH THAT I HAD. THANK YOU. AND MR. CHAIR. YEAH, I JUST, YES, COMMISSIONER MONTEZ, I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE YEAR IS GREAT. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'VE, YOU'VE COME FORTH AND PUT FORTH THE EFFORT. UM, I DO AGREE THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME GREENERY, BUT I'M DEFINITELY OKAY WITH THE SIDEWALK. I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BYPRODUCTS OF, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IS THE PEOPLE WHO PREDATE IT, RIGHT? MM-HMM. END UP HAVING TO SUFFER SOMETIMES FOR THE SAKE OF DESIGN AND MM-HMM. AND SOMEONE'S OPINION OF BEAUTY. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANKS FOR WORKING WITH THE COME MEETING HALFWAY ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. UH, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. OH, I JUST HAD A TECHNICAL QUESTION. DID YOU UNDERLAY THAT WHOLE AREA WITH, UM, A PLASTIC FILM? I DON'T KNOW THE MATERIAL OF IT, BUT IT DOES HAVE AN UNDERLAYMENT. OKAY. THANKS. MM-HMM. , I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SIDEWALK. ARE THOSE INDIVIDUAL CONCRETE PADS WITH A STRIP IN BETWEEN WITH THE GRA BLACK ROCK, OR IS IT A CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK? IT'S CONTINUOUS. IT'S POURED ALL TOGETHER, BUT THERE'S A RECESS THAT THE BLACK ROCK IS INTEGRATED. OKAY. THANK YOU. I GUESS MY FEELING IS THAT THE, THE SIDEWALK WAS, UM, REALLY CHARACTER DEFINING FOR THE SITE AND, UM, IT WAS, UH, MORE IN KEEPING WITH CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING, BUT I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THE MOTION BECAUSE OF THE SIDEWALK. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE FISH IF YOU'RE THERE. I THINK HE STEPPED AWAY. TRY ONE MORE TIME. GIMME A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN. . HE'S STILL ABSTAIN. HE WAS AWAY. OKAY. SAVINO, NAYYY, VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. CARPENTER. NAY. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER NAY. MOTION CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO IF YOU WORK WITH, WITH STAFF ON THE, THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GO BACK, UH, TO ITEM SIX NOW, WHICH IS 6 12 6 14 E SMALL BERRY. UM, I'VE GOT THE CASE MANAGER HERE, MS. WOLF, WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY CALL YOU ON YOUR, YOUR CELL PHONE AND JUST HAVE YOU AND THE SPEAKER THIS WAY. UM, IF YOU WILL DO US A FAVOR OF MAKING SURE THAT YOUR SPEAKERS ON YOUR END ARE MUTED, SO THAT WE'RE JUST USING YOUR PHONE AS THE AUDIO BOTH WAYS THAT WILL HELP US. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 5 54, UM, SIX 12 AND SIX 14 EAST MULBERRY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE ALL EXISTING ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THE HOME WITH ALUMINUM REPLACEMENT. WINDOWS TWO, REPLACE EXISTING WOOD FRONT DOORS. THREE, CONSTRUCT AN INFILL ADDITION TO THE FRONT FACADE. THE ADDITION WILL BE GUTTERED AND INCLUDED DOWNSPOUTS. THE PROPOSED CONDITION IS INTENDED TO MATCH THE ENCLOSURE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AT FIVE 20 EAST MULBERRY AND FOUR CONSTRUCTION, UH, CONSTRUCT AN INFILL ADDITION TO THE REAR FACADE. THE EXISTING ONE IS AT THIS LOCATION, WILL BE REMOVED FOR THE ADDITION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM WINDOWS BASED ON BINDING C THE GUIDELINES ENCOURAGE REPAIR OF ORIGINAL WINDOWS OF A REPLACEMENT. THE FOUR IDENTIFIED WINDOWS THAT ARE VISIBLY BEYOND REPAIR SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH IN KIND, NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING FRONT DOORS AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT ATTEMPT TO REPAIR THE FRONT DOORS AND SIDELIGHTS OR REPLACE THEM IN KIND WITH A SIMILAR WOOD DOOR OR A DOOR THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOME [01:30:02] STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FRONT INFILL ADDITION BASED ON FINDING G AN INFILL CON CONDITION THAT MAINTAINS SOME INSET WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE REAR ADDITION OF THE STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING H AND I WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE INFILLED AREAS BE ARTICULATED BY A PIECE OF VERTICAL TRIM. THE APPLICANT LYNN WOLF IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. AND MS. WOLF, YOU HAVE EXCUSE. YEAH, WE'VE GOT YOU ON SPEAKER HERE. AND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO, UM, USE YOUR CAMERA SO WE CAN SEE YOU AS WELL, THAT WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. WELL, I'VE GOT, IT'S KIND OF, I HAD IT ON, BUT IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ME. OH, THAT'S BETTER IF I GET CLOSER. NOW I DO HAVE MY CONTRACTOR ALSO HERE VIRTUALLY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET HIM ON THE PHONE BECAUSE HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HEAR, SINCE I'M MUTED MYSELF ON MY COMPUTER. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET HIM ON HIS NAME? IS THIS JOSE? HELLO? YES. OKAY. WE'VE DO WE HAVE HIS NUMBER IN THE, OKAY. I WILL MESSAGE HIM FOR HIS, UM, PHONE NUMBER. WE CAN CALL HIM. OKAY. UM, HE'S ON VIRTUALLY, UM, HE'S THERE, BUT, UM, YEAH, IF YOU WANNA GIVE HIM A CALL AND I'LL TELL HIM TO PICK UP OR IF YOU CAN ADD HIM, OR I CAN, IF YOU CAN ADD HIM INTO THE CONFERENCE, THAT'D BE, THAT WOULD WORK. I ALSO MESSAGED HIM FOR HIS NUMBER. THE ISSUE IS WE CAN'T HEAR AUDIO THROUGH THE WEBEX MEETING, SO WE'RE HAVING TO DO THIS, THIS OTHER OPTION. I, I UNDERSTAND. UM, UM, IF, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND ADD HIM IN THEN, AND I'LL TEXT HIM. JOSE, IF YOU, UM, CAN MESSAGE ME YOUR UNMUTE YOUR PHONE NUMBER OR IF LYNN CAN ADD YOU. YES, MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. THERE, THERE'S A QUITE A BIT OF CONFUSION AND TIME BEING USED. JUST TELL YOU THAT I'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT LONG. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE BEING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE PROCESS. THEY'RE WAITING FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR. SO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SHOWN UP. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO HAVE NO CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT ENDS, RIGHT. HOW THIS MEETING ENDS AND PEOPLE ARE SITTING HERE, UH, WE'VE GOTTA TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION AT SOME POINT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. THIS IS MY THIRD MEETING WITH Y'ALL. I, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN WAITING ALSO. LYNN, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US PROCEEDING WITHOUT JOSE ON THE LINE? THAT'S FINE. HIM. I DON'T HAVE HIS NUMBER, SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ADD HIM, BECAUSE IF HE'S IN YOUR PHONE, THEN THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST WAY. . OKAY. JUST A MOMENT. UH, AND JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW, THERE'S LETTERS OF COMMENTS IN THE FOLDERS. THERE IS NO VOICEMAILS. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE LINE NOW. HELLO? YES, WE CAN HEAR. OKAY. PLEASE PROCEED. MS. WOLF. EXCUSE ME, PLEASE. HELLO. HE'S, WE GOT YOU, JOSE, JUST MAKE SURE IF YOUR COMPUTER'S NEARBY THAT YOU HAVE THAT SPEAKER TURNED OFF. OKAY. MS. WOLF, DO YOU WANNA PROCEED, MS. WOLF? YOU MAY PROCEED. MAY PROCEED. OKAY. SO WE'RE BEING SEEN FOR THREE DIFFERENT [01:35:01] THINGS. THE, THE ENCLOSURE, THE WINDOWS AND THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH I'VE BEEN TRYING AND TRYING. I'VE BEEN REVISING, I'VE BEEN DROPPING THINGS AND SO ON. I AM JUST TRYING TO, THIS IS THE AREA I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE. I I DON'T KNOW WHAT SLIDE YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU JUST WANNA GET THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THERE'S, THERE'S ONE AT THE VERY END THAT WE JUST SUBMITTED, AND THERE SHOULD BE OTHER ONES ALSO. IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE? OKAY. JUST GO TO THE FRONT. I, I DID SUBMIT TO CLAUDIA ALSO, AND THE LAST TIME WE MET, WE LOOKED AT THIS PICTURE AND IT WAS SUGGESTED, I MEAN, I WAS GOING FROM A VISUAL ASPECT AND I THOUGHT FROM THE GUIDELINES, BECAUSE IT SAYS USE LIKE MATERIAL AND COLOR AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I MADE THAT INSET, YOU KNOW, LOOK LIKE IT, IT'S BEEN THERE. BUT THE SUGGESTION WAS TO GO AHEAD AND PERHAPS DEEPEN THE COLOR AND DO THE, EITHER THE CLAPBOARD VERTICAL DO BOARD AND BATTEN JUST DO A DIFFERENT MATERIAL. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I SUBMITTED. BUT OBVI, THEY'RE NOT HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN MY FILE, IF THEY CAN BE PUT ON THE PROJECTOR. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. SO, DIFFERENT OPTIONS. JUST TO GIVE AN IDEA, AGAIN, THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE ENCLOSED AREA, IT IS, THEY'RE, IT'S DWARFED RIGHT NOW, JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT INFILL. BUT THERE WAS AN EXTREMELY LARGE TREE THERE, AND I'M, THERE ARE NO, THERE IS NO OTHER LANDSCAPING OUT THERE, REALLY. SO I WILL BE ADDING A TREE BACK, WHICH PRETTY MUCH COVERS THIS WHOLE AREA. THIS AREA USED TO BE A PORCH. IT WAS CLOSED OFF FROM THE STREET. IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING IT, IT WAS ONLY ACCESSIBLE BY THE UNITS. THE DOORS INSIDE ARE STILL THERE. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS TO BE ABLE TO ENCLOSE THE AREA SO THAT, SO THAT THE, WE CAN HAVE A PROPER MODERN CLOSET. IT'S EXTREMELY SMALL, BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN BY THE TWO BY THREE THAT WE HAVE. AND, AND I AM OPEN TO COLORS MATERIALS. I'VE DONE, UM, SOME LIKE, UH, SHINGLES, I'VE DONE, NOT WOOD SHINGLES, BUT THE CEMENT SHING SHINGLES, WHICH THEY'RE USED ALL OVER THE PLACE DURING THIS ERA, THE BOARD AND BATTEN CLAPBOARD, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. YOU CAN SEE JUST DOING THE GREEN BACKGROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS QUITE A BIT. UM, AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO WINDOWS THAT YOU REALLY SEE FROM THE STREET. IF I NEED TO KEEP THOSE ORIGINAL TO SATISFY THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, THEN THAT'S DOABLE. UM, THE OTHER REASON FOR ENCLOSING THIS IS FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES, FOR SOME REASON IT'S MISSING. IT'S KIND OF, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AT A LOWER LEVEL. UM, BUT THERE IS A ROOF LINE BEHIND THIS THAT GOES FROM PEAK TO PEAK. SO I HAVE THREE DIFFERENT ROOF LINES THAT DUMP WATER INTO THIS EXTREMELY SMALL SPACE. IT'S, IT'S VERY MINIMAL. EACH ONE OF THOSE WINDOWS GOES TO THE RESPECTIVE UNIT, ONE FOR EACH. THIS IS ONLY 800 SQUARE FEET ON EACH SIDE. SO I AM HOPING THAT I CAN MODERNIZE THIS HOME. I, I DO RESPECT AND LOVE THE CHARACTER OF A HUNDRED YEAR OLD HOME. HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT FIT WITH [01:40:02] OUR LIFESTYLE RIGHT NOW. AND UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW, IS JUST GONNA BE LIVING THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, SUCH AS TRINITY STUDENTS, WHICH HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, AND THEY DO NOT DO THE COMMUNITY GOOD. SO I'M LOOKING TO IMPROVE THIS PROPERTY, RETAIN THE PRESERVATION OF WHAT IT IS BY ALLOWING A FAMILY TO LIVE THERE. AND THE ENCLOSED AREA WOULD GREATLY PRESERVE THE HOME AND HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE, AND IT WOULD ALSO GIVE A PROPER CLOSET. OKAY. THANK YOU MI UM, MS. WOLF ON THAT. LET'S GET, THERE'S ALSO, AND I KNOW THAT Y'ALL KNOW THIS ALREADY, BUT THERE IS THE EXACT SAME HOUSE, FOUR DOORS DOWN FOR ME THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. THIS HOUSE THAT WAS APPROVED WAS ALLOWED TO BUILD. UH, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANNA DO. THEY HAD THE SAME ISSUE, THE SAME PEOPLE WHO BUILT MY HOUSE IN 1926 ALSO BUILT THAT HOUSE. OKAY. SO, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST STICK ON MAYBE THE FRONT OF SHOWING THE ENCLOSED SPACE. WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING WINDOWS RIGHT NOW, SO I JUST, UM, I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO STAY ON TRACK AND IT'S, IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME WHEN THE PICTURES ARE FLIPPING. UM, MAYBE I DON'T, I I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY ONE, WELL, I KNOW THERE'S ONE THAT JUST SHOWS THE REAL SMALL SPACE AS IT SITS TODAY, NOT THE VIRTUAL ONE, JUST SO THEY CAN SEE. I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS, I'VE BEEN HERE SEVERAL TIMES, SO I RIGHT THERE, MAYBE THAT ONE'S SLIDE 14. THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER ONE. BUT ANYWAY, YOU GET AN IDEA OF HOW, AND THAT THAT ROOF LINE'S NOT CORRECT. UM, BUT IT'S REALLY THE ONLY PICTURE THAT I HAVE THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IN THERE BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S COMPLETELY GROWN OVER. UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DOORS THERE. I HAD TO OPEN THAT UP TO, 'CAUSE THEY REPAIRED THE FOUNDATION. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BEAM THAT GOES ACROSS THAT WASN'T ENCLOSED PATIO, UM, WITH THIS CEMENT FLOOR THAT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY. AND THERE WAS A LARGE PECAN TREE THAT WAS GROWING INTO THE HOUSE, BUT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO REPAIR THE FOUNDATION. THAT'S BEEN FIXED. I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD, FORWARD AND FORWARD. AND I NEED TO REMEDY THOSE TWO THINGS. OKAY. THANK YOU MS. WOLF. ON LET'S GET COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS ON THIS INFILL FIRST BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH EITHER THE WINDOWS OR THE FRONT DOOR. SO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS ON THE INFILL FRONT AND BACK. COMMISSIONER GRU, MS. WOLF, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO, ON THE INFILL TO HAVE AN INSET SO IT'S NOT FLUSHED WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOMES? YES, MAYBE A FOOT OR TWO, BUT SEVERAL TIMES. AND, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SMALL SPACE AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I GOT FROM THE ROOFER, THE GUTTER, MY CONTRACTOR, IT, IT'S SUCH A SMALL SPACE. I MEAN, IF I HAVE TO, I MEAN, IT'S, BUT IT'S ONLY, IT'S NOT GONNA NECESSARILY HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE THE GUTTER'S GONNA HAVE TO ZIGZAG IN AND OUT OF THAT AREA. AGAIN, IT'S AN EXTREMELY SMALL SPACE. THE FRAMING IS ALREADY THERE FROM WHERE IT WAS KIND OF CLOSED IN BEFORE. AND I MEAN, IT, IT'S THE DOOR'S THERE, EVERYTHING. AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING TO CLOSE IT IN AND USE THE ITEMS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, BUT MAKE IT A PROPER CLOSET FOR THE SECOND BEDROOM. OKAY. IT'S STILL A, IT A, A VERY SMALL AREA. I THINK IT ADDS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE 20 FEET MAYBE TO, TO EACH UNIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? [01:45:04] OKAY. WE, UH, I'M JOSE, THE CONTRACTOR. YES, SIR. UH, WE ARE TOTALLY OPEN TO, TO, TO THE MATERIALS AND TO PRESERVE THE HISTORICAL LOOK OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, I'M A, I'M A LOVER OF HISTORICAL THING AND ARCHITECTURE, SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THIS BETTER, EH, TO, TO PROVIDE BETTER FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EH, IF IT WAS ALLOWED TO DO IT FOR HOUSE DOWN, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THE EXACT SAME, BUT EVEN NICER AND PRESERVE EXACTLY THE LOOK OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE THING. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HISTORICAL BECAUSE, SORRY, WITH THE, WITH ARCHITECTURE, BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTURE WILL REMAIN THE SAME. AND WE'RE OPEN TO YOUR SUGGESTIONS ON MATERIALS IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, UH, DIFFERENT. BUT, UM, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT ARCHITECTURAL, HISTORICAL ARCHITECTURAL ISSUE OF EXTENDING THAT LITTLE PORTION, WHICH IS GONNA GIVE A, A BIT MORE TO, TO THIS, UH, WALLS IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, SPACE AND THE CLOSET FOR THAT SECOND BEDROOM. AND ALSO IS GONNA RELIEVE THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE SUBSTANTIALLY THAT IT'S BEEN HARMED FOR THAT, UH, WATER DAMAGE THAT IT'S BEEN CAUSING IN THAT AREA. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, ALSO, AND I, I JUST WANNA REMIND Y'ALL THAT I HAVE THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING NEXT TO ME. I MEAN, THERE'S, AND THEN THIS GOES FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THE INFILL, BUT THE WINDOWS IN THE DOOR ALSO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND, I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER HOMES IN MONTE VISTA THAT, OR HISTORICAL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS. IT'S OBVIOUS BECAUSE THE HOUSE FOUR DOORS DOWN, THAT EXACT MY EXACT HOME, UM, WAS ALLOWED TO DO IT. BUT I HAVE CONDITIONS THAT I GUARANTEE YOU OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WHICH ARE, I'M NEXT TO 2 81, THE FREEWAY AND THE FEEDER ROAD. THERE'S, I DON'T THINK ANY OTHER HOUSE IN MONTE VISTA LOOKING AT THE OVERLAY THAT HAS 2 81 AS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. IT'S LOUD, YOU KNOW, IT CREATES TRAFFIC. IT CREATES A BACKUP OF CARS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY THERE. AND A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, A A VERY MODERN CONTEMPORARY COMMERCIAL BUILDING WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT NEXT TO ME ALONG WITH AN ENORMOUS BRICK WALL. SO I HAVE THESE OTHER FACTORS YOU KEEP, YOU KNOW, I KEEP BEING REMINDED OF THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I AM TRYING TO DO. BUT I, AND I DID GO THROUGH AND HAVE A HISTORICAL CHECK ON THE HOUSE. THERE'S NOTHING HISTORICAL ABOUT IT. NOTHING HISTORICAL HAPPENED HERE. THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANCE. NO ONE LIVED HERE. THAT WAS IMPORTANT. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING. AND JUST THE FACT WITH THE PROPERTIES AROUND ME HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO EITHER BUILD A SCHOOL, WHICH TRINITY'S ACROSS THE STREET, THEIR FIELDS LIE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE, SO, I MEAN THE SCHOOL, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THERE'S BEEN TALK, UH, ALREADY APPROVAL FOR A STARBUCKS NEXT TO ME ON THAT SMALL LITTLE TRIANGLE. AND WE'RE ALL MULTIFAMILY. SO, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE 2 81, I HAVE A, THE CITY PUT IN A TALKING STREET LIGHT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUSH A BUTTON. IT CONTINUALLY TALKS AND COUNTS DOWN THAT YOU CAN HEAR FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE. I HAVE ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. I AM THE VERY LAST HOUSE ON MONTE VISTA FOR YOU HIT THAT 2 81 OKAY. MS. WOLF COMMERCIAL. AND THEN AGAIN, THE, THE SAME HOUSE FOUR DOORS DOWN. SO THIS IS WHY I KEEP TRYING TO PETITION FOR THESE THREE ITEMS. OKAY, MS. WOLF, LET'S GET COMMISSION QUESTIONS ON THE WINDOWS AND FRONT DOORS. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR, I, I THOUGHT YOU HAD ALREADY ASKED CHRIS. I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION. [01:50:01] I'M SORRY. I I WAS GONNA MAKE A MOTION. I THOUGHT YOU THAT WE HAD ALREADY HAD QUESTIONS. WE HAD QUESTIONS ON THE INFILL. OKAY. AND NOW I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON CHANGING THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS. OKAY, WELL, I'LL RESERVE AND WAIT FOR THE MOTION, SIR. I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON YES, FOR STAFF ON THE WINDOWS. SO, UH, I WAS THERE ON THE, ON THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AND OBSERVED IT. UH, I WITNESSED THE, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE ROAD AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS BACKED UP FROM THE STOPLIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, IS THERE A, A, UH, COMPLIANT WINDOW ALTERNATIVE TO RESTORING THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT, THAT WOULD PROVIDE MORE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND NOISE REDUCTION? I MEAN, FOR, FOR THE NOISE, THE ISSUE IS THE, THE THICKNESS OF THE PANES OF GLASS. AND SO, I MEAN, IT IS POSSIBLE TO FABRICATE WINDOWS THAT ALLOW FOR THICKER INSULATED GLASS, BUT IT'S, YOU'RE BASICALLY BUILDING NEW WINDOWS AT THAT POINT. UM, ANOTHER THING THAT CAN BE DONE IS A STORM. UM, SO THERE'S INTERIOR STORMS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT YOU KIND OF FIT WITHIN THE OPENING ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND THAT ADDS AN ADDITIONAL LAYER, WHICH HELPS WITH THE SOUND REDUCTION AND ALSO ENERGY EFFICIENCY. UM, BUT AGAIN, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHE'S WANTING TO PURSUE. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, I JUST HAD A COMMENT IN RESPONSE TO THE WINDOW QUESTION, BECAUSE THAT IS ALWAYS, WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT HOW DO WE LIVE WITH OUR HISTORIC WINDOWS WHEN, UH, THEY SEEM, OR IT MIGHT APPEAR TO BE, HAVE SOME SHORTCOMINGS, BUT, UH, YES, THE, UH, A GLASS INSERT HELPS THE STORM WINDOWS. JUST AS, UM, COREY YOU MENTIONED, BUT FOR THOSE OF US WHO TOOK THE SITE VISIT AND WE'RE ON SITE, WE DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS SOME WHITE NOISE FROM THE TRAFFIC. BUT AGAIN, IT'S WHITE NOISE. BUT ALSO REMEMBER, UM, THERE WAS NO SHEET ROCK ON THE WALLS. THERE'S NO TRIM. ONE COULD SEE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, NOT ONLY ON THE, ON THE GROUND AT THE FLOOR, UM, BUT THROUGH THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS WERE OPEN AND ALSO THROUGH THE CEILING YOU COULD SEE THE SKY THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. AND SO IF WE CONSIDER, UH, THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS OF OUR SITE VISIT, I WOULD, UM, SUGGEST THAT WE NOT USE THAT LEVEL OF NOISE AS A GUIDE IN DETERMINING WHETHER NOISE ATTENUATION IS REALLY A, A PRIORITY. BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET THOSE OTHER BUILDING MATERIALS, YOU GET SEALED, YOU GET THE SIDING UP, THE TRIMS, UM, AGAIN, WITH THE, UM, WEATHER STRIPPING WITH THE WINDOWS AND REHAB, IT'S AMAZING HOW THE INTERIOR CONDITIONS WILL CHANGE. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER GROOVE. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO THE WINDOWS THAT A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE NUANCES, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER, THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR ENGINEERING ASPECT, YOUR ENGINEERING BACKGROUND TO, TO, TO LOOKING AT SOUND AND HOW IT'S TRANS TRANSMITTED THROUGH THE WALL, THROUGH THE WINDOWS, IT HAS VALIDITY. AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. IT'S EASY TO SAY THINGS ABOUT WINDOWS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO LITERALLY LIVE IN A HOUSE WITH THOSE WINDOWS. SO I, I JUST WANNA KIND OF, THAT'S A HOT TOPIC AROUND HERE. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO MS. WOLF. UM, YOU'RE REPLACING THE FRONT DOOR. ARE YOU ALSO REPLACING THE SIDE LIGHTS OR IT'S JUST THE DOORS? THE DOORS. JUST THE DOORS. THE DOOR. IT'S ONLY THE DOOR. AND I'M, I'M JUST ASKING, 'CAUSE I MEAN, THE DOORS AREN'T ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. THEY ARE, UM, A FRENCH DOOR. THE SIDE LIGHTS ARE, ARE JUST THE SOLID GLASS. SO IT'S ONLY THE DOOR. AND I WOULD STILL CARRY THE TOP, BUT THE BOTTOM PORTION OF IT, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT SOLID. UM, TALKING WITH MY NEIGHBORS, JUST WALKING DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S FOUR OF THEIR HOUSES THAT HAVE THIS EXACT SAME DOOR, EXCEPT THERE'S LIKE A RIDGE, LIKE A LITTLE SHELF UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW. IT WOULD NOT BE IN YELLOW, IT WOULD BE WHITE OR, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD MATCH THE TRIM. BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THERE FOR PRIVACY. YOU CAN SEE BY THE, UM, RENDERING THAT IT WOULD HELP BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST STARE INTO THIS HOME. AND IF I CAN GET THOSE WINDOWS HIGH ENOUGH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LIVING ROOM THAT YOU'RE LOOKING, IT'S A SHOTGUN HOUSE, SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING. IF YOU NEED TO COME OUT OF THE BEDROOM TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, YOU CAN SEE STRAIGHT INTO THE HOUSE. SO I'M JUST, BUT THE DOOR'S CONDITION, SORRY, MS. [01:55:01] WOLF. I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, SHOULDERS UP THE DOOR'S CONDITION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE FULLY DRESSED JUST TO WALK AROUND YOUR HOUSE, MS. WOLF. MS. WOLF, THE CONDITION OF THE DOOR IS FINE. THE, IT'S WOOD. CORRECT. AND WELL, I'M ASKING MAYBE THE COMMISSIONERS. YEAH. AND THEN, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET, JUST TO BRING THAT UP, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S WELL DONE. I THINK IT'S PRIOR TO OUR HISTORIC, ACCORDING TO GOOGLE, IT GOES WAY BACK TO 2005. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PRIOR TO US, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE DOORS LIKE YOU HAVE AND, AND THE, AND THE SIDELIGHTS AND, AND IT'S VERY COMMON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. AND, UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE ONE IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE, AND I HAVE A, YOU JUST, THERE'S A BLIND MADE FOR THOSE KIND OF DOORS. SO PRIVACY IS KIND OF NOT OUR PURVIEW. I WOULD SAY IF THE DOOR'S CONDITION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, REPAIRABLE OR JUST AS IT IS, IF IT'S JUST ONLY PRIVACY, THEN I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. AND I'LL PROBABLY ALSO SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE WINDOWS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? YES, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT THE, THE, UM, I, I START SPOKEN, START, I STARTED SPEAKING BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU GO TO THE, THE PERSON THAT MADE THE MOTION, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. SIR, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PENCIL SKETCH IN HERE. THAT IS THE PLAN. IF WE COULD PUT THAT UP THE SHEET. IT JUST, IT EXPLAINS THE WINDOWS IN THE UPPER RIGHT. I AM PROPOSING THAT INSTEAD OF THE WOOD WINDOWS, WHICH YES, I AGREE. THE DRYWALL, I MEAN, MY, MY WALLS ARE ONLY FOUR INCHES THICK, LIKE MOST HOMES DOWN THERE. YES, MA'AM. MS. EXCUSE ME, MS. WOLFS INSULATION. I, I, I'M GONNA HAVE POINT OF ORDER MR. CHAIR AT THIS TIME. YES. THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. WE'RE DELIBERATING ON A MOTION. YES. WELL, MR. CHAIR, THIS BIT OF A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT, UH, PROJECT BECAUSE IT, THERE'S SO MANY ASPECTS OF IT THAT ARE, UM, THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH, RIGHT? AND, AND THE CONFUSION IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PROJECT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF A DISTRICT AND A PROJECT THAT'S INSIDE OF A DISTRICT. AND WE GET PULLED INTO THE KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES IS A GOOD IDEA. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE, THE CREATION OF BEDROOM TWO AND BEDROOM TWO AND THE NEW MASTER CLOSETS, IT CHANGES THE CHARACTER. THIS PROJECT COMPLETELY, IT CHANGES FROM BEING AN H PLAN TO BEING A PERFECT SQUARE, RIGHT? AND IF THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES LIKE THIS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE BEEN ALTERED, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS THE, THE ONLY STANDING EXAMPLE OF THAT ONE BEDROOM. UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE, SIMPLE STRUCTURE. NOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT IT, THAT IT ALSO PROBABLY IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THE AFFORDABILITY. IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN CHARGE WHATEVER THEY WANNA CHARGE FOR THEIR RENTS, OR WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE OR NOT, HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING ITSELF, RIGHT? BUT IN THEORY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SINGLE, UM, SMALL, UM, AFFORD AFFORDABLE, UM, PRODUCT IN AN AREA THAT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE, RIGHT? UM, SO IT HAS A BUNCH OF ATTRIBUTES THAT, THAT, THAT MAKE IT, UH, WHAT IT IS. AND, UM, IT SEEMS THAT EVEN THE MOST MINOR ALTERATION TO THE FRONT OF IT REALLY AFFECTS THE, THE, THE ABILITY TO CALL IT THE SAME, UH, HOUSE IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS HISTORIC CHARACTER. THAT BEING SAID, THE PROBABLY THE, FROM, FROM, FROM MY, UM, OPINION THAT THE, THE DEEPEST, UM, ALTERATION, UH, WOULD BE AT THE REAR WITH RESPECT TO THE MASTER CLOSET, BUT MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER GROUP WAS, UH, UH, ASKING ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO INSET, TO, TO PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, SHADOW LINE AND ALL THOSE THINGS AT THE REAR. BUT IT SEEMS THAT IN THE FRONT, IT'S A BIT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIT MUCH TO, TO NOT SAY THAT IT TOTALLY DISTURBS THE CHARACTER OF THIS, OF THIS HOUSE. UM, I, UM, THINK THE WINDOWS ARE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, OF THE CHARACTER OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, CONDITION THAT IS, THAT IS MOST EASILY, UH, PRESERVED. [02:00:02] AND OF COURSE THE FRONT DOOR, UM, IT'S, UM, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THE DOOR SEEMED THAT THEY'RE FINE. IT'S JUST A PRIVACY ISSUE. AND I WONDER IF, IF GLASS PANELS CAN'T BE REPLACED WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GLASS, I KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE, THE WINDOW TRIM IS REMOVABLE FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE DOOR. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. DISCUSSION. I AM GONNA SAY SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER GROVE, YOU WOULD AMEND. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION, AND I WOULD MAYBE JUST TO KIND OF COME INTO A COMMON MIDDLE GROUND WITH THE APPLICANT, IS THAT THE FRONT INFIELD JUST BE, INSERT A FOOT, WHETHER OR NOT FRAMING HAS TO CHANGE A ROOFING, THEN SHE CAN COME BACK. BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD, I MEAN, SUPPORT, BUT IF NOT, I'LL SUPPORT A MOTION AS IS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BAKER, SIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. WOLF. UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOUR PERSISTENCE AND YOUR PATIENCE AND, AND FOR OPENING UP YOUR HOUSE TO US, UH, FOR THE SITE VISIT. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, THE LAYOUT. SO, UH, WHEN YOU COME IN THE FRONT DOOR OF EITHER UNIT, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A BEDROOM WHERE, UH, THERE WAS A, LIKE A FAKE FIREPLACE AND THERE WAS A, A DOOR GOING OUT INTO THE INFILL. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THAT ENTIRE WALL NOW IS GONNA BE REMOVED AND YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW WALL CLOSER TO THE DOOR, AND THEN THE BEDROOM WILL START BASICALLY JUST INSIDE THE FRONT DOOR AND THEN CONTINUE INTO WHAT IS NOW THE INFILL. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. YEAH, IT, IT'S THAT SECOND BEDROOM. YOU CAN, THAT, THAT WINDOW THAT IS IN THE INSET, THAT'S THE SECOND BEDROOM. I'M JUST MOVING THAT WINDOW FORWARD. AND THAT SPACE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE USED TO ADD TO THAT SECOND BEDROOM, AND THE KITCHEN IS GONNA BE MADE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER AND IT, IT, THE KITCHEN WAS THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS ENTIRE 800 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT DID NOT MATCH THE STYLE. I MEAN THE, THE SIZE OF THIS HOME. UM, SO I, I'M MAKING THAT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT YES, THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT HERE. AND I RETAINED THOSE, THOSE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE FLOORS ALL SUNK IN RIGHT THERE, THAT IT WAS NOT PUT IN PROPERLY WHENEVER IT WAS DONE. IT'S A FAKE FIREPLACE AND THE BRICKS WERE FALLING OFF, THAT WALL NEEDS TO BE FIXED BECAUSE IT HAS THAT WATER DAMAGE IN IT, YOU KNOW, JUST ON THE INSIDE. SO, AND THEN THOSE, THOSE DOORS GOING OUT TO THE PATIO, EACH UNIT HAS THAT SAME DOOR, THEY'RE MIRRORED IMAGES. UM, WE CAN USE THAT TO NOW, YOU KNOW, ENTER THE CLOSET. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? YES, MR. CHAIRMAN? UM, YES, COMMISSIONER, JUST TO, I THINK ECHO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ WAS SAYING, I THINK THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IS A GOOD COMPROMISE. IT GIVES THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO CAPTURE SOME SPACE IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, UH, TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FUNCTIONAL WHILE NOT IMPACTING, UH, THE VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, FROM THE PRIMARY PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, A VERY PRACTICAL, UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY'RE MAKING HERE. AND IT RETAINS THAT SORT OF VERY UNIQUE QUALITY OF THIS BEAN ORIGINALLY SORT OF A DUPLEX STRUCTURE WITH TWO, UH, PRIMARY ENTRANCES AND DOESN'T ALTER THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, REGARDING THE, THIS, THE, UH, NEIGHBOR, UH, THAT HAS, UH, DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR. THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE AND WHAT WAS DONE THERE. AND ONE OF THEM WAS, IT LOOKED LIKE THEY TOTALLY RECONFIGURED THE ROOF ON THE, UM, UH, AND I FORGET WHAT THE ADDRESS IS, IF IT'S, UH, 20, UH, 2, 2 50. I, I, I MAY NOT BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE'S A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF APPROACH TO THE ROOF THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, WHERE THEY'RE SORT OF CUTTING IN A, A SHED ROOF IN BETWEEN THREE EXISTING ROOFS, WHICH I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT JUST FROM A, FROM A PRACTICAL CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? YES, I'M IN, UH, FAVOR OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE MOTION. SO, UH, I CALL FOR A ROLL CALL, VOTE GIBBS. AYE. FISH IS NO LONGER WITH US. SENO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRUB. AYE. CERVANTES. NO. BAKER. NAYYY. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. WELL, THANK [02:05:01] YOU VERY MUCH MS. WOLF FOR WORKING WITH US AND STAFF, STAFF, STAFF AT THIS POINT. UH, IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE APPLICANTS WHO ARE IN PERSON HERE AND DO THE VIRTUAL CASES AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. SO WE WILL GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. UM, ITEM NINE IS HERE IN PERSON AS WELL. UM, NO, I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. UM, IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE THE ORDER FOR THE NEXT THREE CASES. ITEM NINE ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 2 1 16 0 4 MCCULLOUGH AVENUE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED 50 BY 50 CABINET SIGN ON THE AWNING, AND TWO, INSTALL PERFORATED BLACK VINYL WINDOW TINT WITH INCORPORATED LOGOS ON THE WINDOWS AND DOOR STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE ON ONE AND TWO BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D. AND WE HAVE THE OWNER HERE IN PERSON, AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE. UM, I'M HERE BECAUSE MR. RAMOS IS, UH, UNABLE JUST AS THAT MIC ON. GO AHEAD, I APOLOGIZE. REINTRODUCE YOURSELF JUST, OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. ONE MORE TIME. ONE MORE TIME. WAIT. KRANJI, UM, OWNER OF LAB TECH DIAGNOSTICS, UM, WE'RE OPENING A PATIENT SERVICE CENTER, UH, TO SEE PATIENTS AT THAT LOCATION. UM, SO WE'RE RENTING OBVIOUSLY THIS, UH, THIS CURRENT LOCATION. UH, MR. RAMOS IS UNABLE TO COME IN TODAY. UM, UH, SO I'M, I'M HERE IN LIEU OF HIS PRESENCE, SO I'M NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, WITH THIS PROCEEDING, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I, UH, MISSPEAK, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN ANY WAY. UM, AT ANY RATE, UM, THE, THE WAY, THE WAY WE'VE DESIGNED THIS IS TO, UH, MIRROR THE, UH, UNIT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US, WHICH IS A, UM, A CLINIC. UH, SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THE BLACK, UH, WINDOWS AND HAVE AN ILLUMINATED, UM, SIGN FOR US ON TOP. SO, UH, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, UH, NOT RECOMMENDED, BUT, SO I'M, I'M HERE TO KIND OF DISCUSS AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK AND WE SHOULD DO HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE QUESTIONS. YEAH, QUESTION. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, WELL, ONE OF 'EM, I THINK I JUST SAW IT IN THERE. 1973 WAS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? STAFF 73? YES. OKAY. TO, UH, TO THE APPLICANT. ARE EITHER OF THESE SIGNS PERMANENT? UH, NO. THEY CAN BE REMOVED. THEY CAN BE REMOVED AND, AND THAT METAL AWNING WILL GO BACK TO BEING WHATEVER IT WAS. YEAH, I MEAN, THE METAL AWNING IS, YEAH, IT IS. WHAT, YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS JUST A LAY, IT'S A STICKY, IT'S JUST A VINYL THAT STICKS ON, KIND OF KEEPS SUNLIGHT OUT. EXACTLY. OR LAB WORK. YEAH. PERFORATED THAT YOU PERFORATED THROUGH IT, AND THEN IF YOU NEEDED TO GET RID OF IT, EASILY, EASILY REMOVABLE, JUST PEEL IT OFF. YEP. BASICALLY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I GOT A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER SANTES, I MEAN, VELASQUEZ, UM, ON THE, ON THE COVER PAGE, THERE'S A SHADOW BEHIND THE LAB TECH SIGN. DO YOU SEE THE SHADOW WAS, WAS THAT THE SIGN BEFORE? YEAH, SO THE, THE OWNER REMOVED ALL OF THIS NOW, BUT THAT WAS BASICALLY PAINTED, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS A BARBERSHOP SALON. SO THEY, THEY HAD PAINTED THAT THERE AND THEN ON THE WINDOWS, UM, IT WAS, THEY DID PAINT ALL, ALL OF THAT. BUT THIS HAS GONE NOW AND IT'S, AND IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO THE RIGHT THERE, UM, THE, OKAY, BUT, BUT NOW THE SIGN BY SCALE, IS THAT SIGN SMALLER THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS THERE. I I, I THINK SO, YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE TOOK THE EXACT DIMENSIONS OF THE SUITE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US, AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE SMALLER. YEAH. OKAY. THEN I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF O ON YOUR GENERAL, IT SAYS, EACH BUILDING WILL BE ALLOWED ONE MAJOR AND TWO MINOR SIGNS, TOTAL REQUESTED SIGN. IT SHOULD NOT EXCEED 50 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. AND THEY'RE REQUESTING AN INTERNALLY ELIMINATED 50 BY 50 INCH. THE ISSUE IS NOT THE SIZE ISSUE. UM, THAT DOESN'T CONFORM TO GUIDELINES, IS THE FACT THAT IT'S AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED CABINET SIGN, WHICH DOES NOT CONFORM TO HISTORIC DESIGN SIDE. NO, I, I, I'M, I'M, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE IT, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE REFERRING TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO BASED [02:10:01] ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D, AND THEN WE HAVE ALL OF THE, THE, THE GENERAL, I GUESS, I GUESS ALL YOU'RE DOING IS JUST PRINTING FOR US THE ENTIRE HISTORIC GUIDELINES FOR SIGNAGE, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S ALL THAT THAT IS, RIGHT. CUT AND PASTE? CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M OVER HERE READING THE WHOLE THING AND TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET DOWN TO FINDINGS AND Y'ALL KIND OF BEAT ME TO IT. UM, OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? GROUP, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UM, ON THE, UM, VINYL WINDOW SIGNAGE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING, OR HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE OWNER ABOUT NOT DOING THE BLACK, UM, PERFORATED AND JUST THE VINYL, JUST THE LOGOS? UM, I, I THINK WE'RE OPEN TO IT. IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS, UM, THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT THIS IS A, UH, PRETTY BUSY AREA AND THEY'RE JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF THE, THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE DRAWING BLOOD IN THERE. SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER DIVIDER INSIDE JUST SO THEY DON'T SEE DIRECTLY WHILE YOU'RE JUST WALKING THROUGH. I MEAN, I THINK THIS WAS JUST A MAJOR DISCUSSION OF IF IT'S, IF IT, IF WHILE YOU'RE WALKING, AND AGAIN, IT, IT MIRRORS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT THEY HAVE NEXT DOOR THAT YOU KIND OF SEE WHAT'S IN THERE, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY SEE ALL THE CHAIRS AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WENT WITH THAT. SO NEXT DOOR HAS THE SAME VINYL, PERFORATED VINYL. CAN STAFF CLARIFY THAT? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, BUT LET ME PULL UP A STREET VIEW REAL QUICK. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT TYPE OF, I MEAN, AS LONG AS THERE'S LIGHTS INSIDE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE. SO REALLY, I DON'T SEE HOW MUCH PRIVACY IT GIVES, BUT I, UM, I'LL KEEP IT FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I HAVE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UM, TO ACHIEVE THE DESIRED EFFECT FOR THE WIN TENTAGE BY LIKE STARTING AT THE BOTTOM AND THEN NOT GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP? SO THE GUIDELINE SAYS NO MORE THAN 30%. IS IT, ARE YOU ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE SAME EFFECT IF YOU ONLY COVERED 50% OR 70%, LIKE TO THE HEIGHT OF A NORMAL PERSON STANDING? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I THINK, I THINK IF THERE IS A WAY TO, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK OFF THAT IT'S JUST HALFWAY THROUGH, MAYBE, UM, UM, I MEAN, I'LL ASK MR. MR. RAMOS HOW HE CAN, HOW HE CAN MAKE IT LOOK NICE THERE. I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO THAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR. THIS IS FOR STAFF. SO YOU'RE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE WINDOW THAT'S TINTED AS PART OF THE SIGN, OR ARE YOU JUST CONSIDERING THE LOGO? THE LOGO ALONE IS ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. WE APPROVE, UH, VINYL DECALS LIKE THIS PRETTY REGULARLY. IT'S THE COVERAGE OF THE WINDOW TINT. UM, HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES SAY NO MORE THAN 30% OF THE WINDOW SHOULD BE, UH, OPAQUE. GOT IT. ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT BE TO NOT DO THE VINYL DOTS AND PUTTING A CURTAIN ON THE INSIDE OF THE SPACE. UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. FROM READING THE, THE D IF THEY PUT THE PERFORATED MATERIAL ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW, IT FALLS OUT OF THE JURISDICTION, RIGHT? NO, IT'S ANY KIND OF HANGING OR ADVERTISEMENT WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE, THE WINDOW. NO, I DIG THAT. BUT IF, IF THEY PUT THE LOGO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOW AND BUT PUT THE PERFORATED MATERIAL ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW, NO, TECHNICALLY NO. CLEARLY SEPARATES THE, THE, THE INTENT OF THE CODE IS THAT ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS THE VISIBILITY WOULD BE, UH, UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE, THE U D C. SO THEN IF THEY PUT, UM, UM, A ROLL DOWN, UH OH, A SHADE. YEAH, THAT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S DIFFERENT. I MEAN, PERHAPS IT'S A, IT'S A LOGO ON THE WINDOW AND ROLL DOWN OPAQUE SCREENS ON THE INSIDE. THAT MIGHT WORK BEST FOR YOU. OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UH, UH, SIGN CABINET AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND APPROVAL OF, UH, VINYL LOGO BEING APPLIED TO THE STOREFRONT WITHOUT THE BLACK PERFORATED, UH, BACKING. SECOND. SECOND. A MOTION IS SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M JUST GONNA SAY I, I DON'T KNOW THE REASON OR MAYBE YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON THAT. YEAH, IF I CAN ELABORATE ON THAT, BECAUSE, UM, I'M LOOKING AT FIRST OF ALL THE VINTAGE OF THE BUILDING. I'M LOOKING AT OTHER SIGNS THAT ARE PRESENT ON THE BUILDING THAT ARE ALL INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED, UH, CABINETS. SO I THINK IT'S JUST CONSISTENT WITHIN THE, THE CONTEXT OF THIS SPECIFIC BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SURROUNDED BY, YOU KNOW, UM, A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD OF AN OLDER VINTAGE, I, I THINK IT'S [02:15:01] CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE CHARACTER OF THIS BUILDING. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. BETS? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. ITEM 10 ON THE H D R C AGENDA, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 20 30 35 ROOSEVELT AVENUE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION TO INCLUDE 12 CONEX SHIPPING CONTAINERS. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING AS FOLLOWS, DEMOLISH THE ADDITION AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. REPLACE TWO WINDOWS IN ONE DOOR ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION WITH AN OVERHEAD METAL AND GLASS GARAGE DOOR. REPLACE WINDOWS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS WITH PIVOTING METAL FRAME WINDOWS. ADD TWO METAL FRAME FULL LIGHT DOORS TO THE SO ELEVATION, ADD TWO SOLID DOORS TO THE REAR ELEVATION, REPAIR OR REPLACE THE WOOD SIDING IN KIND AND REPLACE THE COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF IN KIND. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO INCLUDE 12 CONNIC SHIPPING CONTAINERS BASED ON FINDING C. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT EXPLORE OTHER BUILDING TECHNIQUES THAT CONFORM TO THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO MODIFY A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH G. UH, THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. AND WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, DENISE AND JUSTIN ANDERSON HERE IN PERSON. WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC ON OUR BEHALF. SO WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE OWNERS PRESENT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE, UH, I THINK WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL TOO. LEMME DOUBLE CHECK. YES. WILL THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES PLEASE? CAN WE HAVE A COUPLE VOICEMAILS TOO? SORRY, I WAS CHECKING. . OKAY. ARE YOU GONNA FORWARD? OKAY. I AM ESTHER PACHECO. I AM ALSO OWNER. I'M NOT SURE WHY I'M NOT, MY NAME ISN'T PRESENT ON THE THING, BUT, UM, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO EXPRESS OUR SINCEREST GRATITUDE TO THE O H P, UH, COUNCILWOMAN AND THE ENTIRE STAFF OF DISTRICT THREE, UM, THE WORLD HERITAGE OFFICE. SO WONDERFUL PEOPLE AT THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AND THE H D R C COMMISSION. UH, WE HAVE SPENT TIME WITH EACH OF YOU REVIEWING OUR PO OUR PROJECT AND THE KNOWLEDGE YOU HAVE PROVIDED US, UM, PROVIDED, HAS MADE AN IMPACT ON HOW WE HAVE, UH, PROGRESSED. WE CAN'T THANK ALL OF YOU ENOUGH. UM, SO DENISE AND I ARE NATIVE. SO SAN ANTONIO WITH HISTORICAL ROOTS TO THE MISSION SAN JOSE COMMITTEE, UH, COMMUNITY. WE ARE DESCENDANTS, UH, WHOSE ANCESTORS LIVED ON THE MISSION GROUNDS. AS SUCH, THIS COMMUNITY HOLDS A SPECIAL PLACE IN OUR HEARTS. SOME, SOME OF OUR FONDEST CHILDHOOD MEMORIES COME FROM THE COME FROM OUR TIME AT THE MISSION SAN JOSE. BECAUSE OF THIS, WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A FACILITY THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT OUR CULTURE OF THE, HIGHLIGHT THE CULTURE OF THE MISSION COMMUNITY BY PROVIDING A PLACE FOR FOOD ENTREPRENEURS WHO AREN'T IN THE PLACE TO MAKE A FINON FINANCIAL COMMITMENT OF A BRICK, BRICK AND MORTAR. UM, IN OUR OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, THEY, THEY'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY FOOD CHAINS WITH TALL SIGNAGE. AND THIS, AND THIS REINVESTMENT PROJECT WILL GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF. LET'S SEE. WE ARE HERE TODAY BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE, OF THAT, OF OUR DESIGN THAT WE HAVE CREATED FOR THE YARD ADMISSION TRAILS. AFTER CARE FOR RESEARCH AND GUIDELINE CONSIDERATION. WE BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN WE HAVE DEVELOPED WILL EFFECT EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY ADDRESS REQUIREMENTS AND GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT. YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE TAKEN GREAT CARE AND TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THE DESIGN IS BOTH FUNCTIONAL, UM, ECO-FRIENDLY, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ALIGNS WITH THE H D R C GUIDELINES. WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE THINGS TO COVER, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I, IN ADDITION TO THANKING EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR PATIENTS, UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK OUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE [02:20:01] SINCE TWO 30 AND WAITED FOR US. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY CHILDREN WHO, IN THE ABSENCE OF SCHOOL TODAY, WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A LESSON IN CIVIC INVOLVEMENT, UM, AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN HERE SINCE TWO 30 AND HAVE NOT EATEN. SO, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND BEING HERE IN YOUR PATIENTS TOO. I'LL LET JUSTIN GET BACK TO IT. AND SO WE'LL GET THIS GOING. UH, I'M JUSTIN ANDERSON, UH, HUSBAND TO DENISE, BROTHER-IN-LAW TO, UH, ESTHER AND BUSINESS PARTNERS NOW. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. BUT, UH, , I'M GONNA COVER, UH, WHY DID WE CHOOSE CONNEX IS ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I'LL, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO SPEED THIS UP BECAUSE THE REAL IMPORTANT IS IN PART, IS HOW DO WE THINK WE CAN MAKE THOSE ALIGN WITH THE MISSION THAT YOU GUYS ARE SETTING OUT FOR. SO, UH, COUPLE REAL QUICK THINGS. UH, AT THE CENTER OF OUR, I'M SORRY, AT THE CENTER OF OUR DESIGN AND BUILD, NO MATTER WHERE WE END UP AND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN THE END, ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY IS ALWAYS GONNA BE AT THE CENTER. WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE THE SMARTEST CHOICES THAT WE CAN FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN OUR BUDGET. SO THINGS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER, PRESERVING WATER FOR IRRIGATION, OR IF THERE'S ANY SOLAR OPTIONS, THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE GONNA EXPLORE TO THE FULLEST. BUT ALONG WITH THAT, I THINK TO LIVE INTO OUR CORE MISSION IS THE USE OF THESE CONEXES. UM, WHY IS THAT? WELL, NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT IS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE WAY TO BUILD ON THE LAND. UM, TAKING, UH, THESE, THESE PREFAB ITEMS, HAVING THEM DELIVERED AND TRYING TO BUILD AROUND THAT EXISTING LAND WITH SOME OF THE OLDER TREES AND SUCH ON THE LAND. UH, ON TOP OF THAT, UM, THESE ARE REALLY UPCYCLED, UH, MATERIAL, RIGHT? THIS IS MATERIAL THAT'S GETTING A NEW LIFE THAT WE GET TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SHARE OUR VISION WITH AND, AND REUSE. SO WE KNOW THE BENEFITS OF THE REUSE OF THE, UH, UM, OF THE MATERIAL. WE ALSO KNOW THAT WITH CONEXES, ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE UNIT USE LESS ENERGY THAN IF WE HAD TO GO WITH NORMAL CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES. AND WITH THE SIZE OF THESE BUILDINGS, WE THINK WE CAN ALSO CONTROL SOME OF THE ENERGY COST AND ENERGY EXERTION THAT GOES WITH THAT. LAST PART, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECO-FRIENDLY USE IS, I, I DO THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS WHEN YOU GO TO CHAPTER FOUR, GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. NUMBER SEVEN, DESIGNING FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY, A BUILDING, A DESIGN. STAY WITH ME HERE GUYS. NUMBER ONE, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, DESIGN ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION TO MAXIMIZE ENERGY EFFICIENCY. WE'RE TRYING TO LIVE INTO THAT. NUMBER TWO, MATERIALS UTILIZE GREEN BUILDING MATERIALS SUCH AS RECYCLED, LOCALLY SOURCED, AND LOW MAINTENANCE MATERIALS WHENEVER POSSIBLE. ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO LIVE INTO THAT WITH THIS, WITH THIS MISSION OF USING CONEXES. TWO OTHER QUICK POINTS, OBVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTION TIME THAT'S ON OUR MIND. UH, WE'RE SMALL BUSINESS, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS. WE DON'T COME IN WITH A LOT OF MONEY. WE COME IN WITH 20 YEARS OF CORPORATE AMERICA'S MONEY THAT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THE AMERICAN DREAM, RIGHT? SO, UM, WITH THAT, THE CONSTRUCTION TIME CONSIDERABLY REDUCES IMPORTANT FOR US. I GET THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY LIKE, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT FOR YOU? WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME INVESTED IN THAT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S A PRETTY BUSY INTERSECTION WHERE WE'RE AT. SO THE LESS TIME WE CAN SPEND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECT, I THINK THE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. UM, ON TOP OF THAT, UM, SO THAT WAS ABOUT HALF THE TIME. ON TOP OF THAT, UH, THE COST FOR US, ONCE AGAIN, NOT BEING DEVELOPERS, UH, I THINK IT ALLOWS US TO, TO PUT THE MONEY INTO THINGS LIKE THE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT ACTUALLY EXISTS THAT WE HAVE, UH, COMMITTED TO RESTORING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, BUT WE DO THAT BECAUSE THAT COST IS ONE THIRD, UH, FROM THE ESTIMATES WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE CONTRACTORS WE'VE TALKED TO IS ABOUT THE THIRD OF THE COST AS IF WE WENT WITH SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL BUILDING. SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS WHY WE ARE SO FOCUSED ON THIS AND WE WANT TO PRESENT. AND NOW I'LL LET DENISE EXPLAIN KIND OF HOW OUR PLAN IS TO TIE THAT IN. THANK YOU. UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS AROUND THE USE OF THESE CONEX CONTAINERS, UM, FOR OUR BUILD. UM, BUT WE WANNA KIND OF REFRAME IT AND THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, RIGHT? PART OF THE GUIDELINES, UM, WITHIN THE, SOME OF THE STATEMENTS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES TALK ABOUT HOW DO WE INCORPORATE OLD NEW AND DO IT IN A CONTEMPORARY FUN WAY. THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONTAINER PARKS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. UM, THERE'S EVEN ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THE WORLD HERITAGE SITE IN TUCSON THAT USES A FACILITY VERY SIMILAR, UM, BUT THEY DO RETAIL INSTEAD OF COOKING. UM, BUT THE USE OF THESE CONEX GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO THINK OF THESE CREATIVE WAYS TO BRING IN ALL OF THE ASPECTS REGARDING TO THE TYPE OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO USE, RIGHT? SO AS DESCENDANTS OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE COMMUNITY, IT IS, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE INTEGRITY OF THESE GUIDELINES. WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THEM. UM, WE ALSO PLAN TO PAY HOMAGE TO THE AREA THROUGH DESIGN AND CONCEPT. WE [02:25:01] ARE LIVING HERITAGE WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY. OUR ENTIRE FAMILY, STILL, MAJORITY OF OUR ENTIRE FAMILY STILL LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S EVEN A STREET NAMED AFTER US. IF YOU CHECK OUT THOSE GUIDELINES, OUR NAMES ARE ALL OVER IT. UM, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY TAKING THE INSPIRATION FROM OUR HISTORY. WHAT, AND THEN NOW WHAT SAN ANTONIO REPRESENTS TODAY AND WHAT CAN IT CAN CONTINUE TO REPRESENT IN THE FUTURE. UM, WE PLAN TO INCORPORATE THE VIBRANT ESSENCE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGH OUR COLORFUL DESIGNS AND PUBLIC ART. UM, EVEN THOUGH WE PLAN ON USING THESE SHIPPING CONTAINERS AS OUR PRIMARY, UM, PRIMARY CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, THE GEOMETRY OF THESE SHIPPING CONTAINERS IS MONOLITHIC. UM, SIMILAR TO ALL OF THOSE, WE ALSO, UM, PROPOSE TO USE A MAJORITY OF TRADITIONAL MATERIALS TO, UM, OUTFIT AND FACADE THE FRONT OF THEM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CEILING IN HERE, THIS IS AN EXACT, UM, DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT THE FRONT OF THE CONEXES WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEREFORE IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, MORE, WE WOULD PULL IN THESE TRADITIONAL MATERIALS TO MAKE UP THAT 75%. UM, WE ALSO PLAN ON USING THE TRADIT TRADITIONAL MATERIALS, UM, THROUGH THIS MATERIALS PALETTE YOU'LL SEE IN OTHER WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING HOMAGE TO THE DESIGNS THAT NOT ONLY EXIST IN THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET, THE MISSION DRIVE AND ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEN THE ALSO PROPOSED WORLD HERITAGE SITE THAT IS BEING, THE GROUND IS BEING BROKEN ON. NOW. UM, PART OF THIS TOO, WE WANT TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CONEXES, UM, THE SIDE THAT FACES DAGLEY UTILIZING THE, THAT MUCH SPACE FOR MURALS BY LOCAL ARTISTS. UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL ARTISTS, UM, ALBERT, UH, GONZALEZ. AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A PLAN TO NOT ONLY INCORPORATE HIS ART IN THERE, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES THERE, BUT HE'S, UH, VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. HE LIKES TO INCLUDE THE COMMUNITY IN HIS ART AND APPLICATION OF HIS ART. SO WE WOULD BE PROPOSING LIKE, COMMUNITY ART DAYS TO HAVE PEOPLE COME OUT AND DO THOSE. SO I KNOW THAT THIS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT, UM, AGAIN, NOT A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A LOT CONTEMPORARY. SOMETHING HASN'T BEEN SEEN SPECIFICALLY IN THIS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS OUTREACH. WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE ATTENDED, UM, ESSAY TOMORROW MEETINGS WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE GATHERED AND SAID, THIS IS THE TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT WE WANT IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE PROVIDED PICTURES. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE GOOGLE MAPS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS ROOSEVELT CORRIDOR HAS BEEN PART, UM, HAS BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A REINVESTMENT PLAN SINCE 2009. UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE IN 2023, AND THAT REVITALIZATION HAS NOT MADE IT DOWN, UM, TO THAT AREA. I CANNOT STRESS LIKE HOW IMPORTANT THIS PROJECT IS TO US. AS JUSTIN MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT DEVELOPERS. WE TOOK A CHANCE ON OURSELVES. WE TOOK OUT THE EQUITY IN OUR HOME AND BOUGHT A PIECE OF PROPERTY NOWHERE NEAR WHERE I LIVE. UM, BUT EXACTLY WHERE I GREW UP, BECAUSE WE WANT TO INVEST IN THAT COMMUNITY. AS A GRADUATE OF MCCULLUM HIGH SCHOOL, I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES. UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND DEVELOP THAT AREA. UM, SO I'M SURE I CAN TALK FOR A LOT MORE, BUT YOU GUYS, I'LL LET YOU, I WAS SAYING WE DO APOLOGIZE. OUR ARCHITECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE WITH US TODAY, SO WE WILL FIGHT THROUGH SOME OF THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. BUT HE, HE LET US KNOW ON OUR WAY HERE THAT HE WASN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, UH, LIVE. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS. THAT'S RIGHT. FIRST WE HAVE BRENDA PACHECO, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY. THIS AGAIN, SO I, GOOD EVENING , AS OPPOSED TO GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BRENDA PACHECO. UM, AND, UH, I HAVE BEEN A LIFELONG, LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. IN FACT, UM, THE PROPERTY WHERE MY FAMILY LIVED FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WHEN I SAY SEVERAL, PROBABLY OVER 150, AND THE PROPERTY WHERE DENISE AND NESTOR'S GRANDPA LIVED, UM, WAS RIGHT BEHIND THE BACK DOOR. SAN JOSE MISSION. AND WE WERE THE LAST FAMILY TO BE DISPLACED FROM WHAT I CALL THE SAN JOSE AFFECTIONATELY, [02:30:01] THE SAN JOSE COMPOUND. WE WOULD STILL BE THERE HAD WE NOT BEEN DISPLACED, JUST SO YOU KNOW. SO THIS PROJECT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US, AND WE ARE EXTREMELY SENSITIVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE, UM, HAVING BEEN A, A, UH, ACTUALLY A COM, WHAT I CONSIDER A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST GABRIEL, I GUESS, UH, I AM ABOUT ALL THINGS SOUTH SIDE AND, AND SAN JOSE. SO I'VE SUB SERVED ON SEVERAL COMMISSIONS. UM, CURRENTLY AM ON THE ALAMO TRUST PLANNING COMMITTEE. I WAS ON THE TRICENTENNIAL COMMITTEE. I WAS ON, UH, CONNECT SA. SO I AM ABOUT ALL THINGS SAN ANTONIO, BUT MOSTLY ABOUT THINGS AROUND MY COMMUNITY. SO I CAN TELL YOU I'M NOT EMBARRASSED. I'M 66 YEARS OLD, SO I AM NOT ALWAYS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND NEW THINGS HAPPENING IN MY COMMUNITY. UH, WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT STARTING FROM SOUTH CROSS ON DOWN THE CORRIDOR, I FELT LIKE, HOLD ON, HOLD ON. WHO SAYS WE WANT DEVELOPMENT? AND WHO SAYS THAT? THAT WE'RE NOT OKAY THE WAY WE ARE, BUT I HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND PRACTICAL, AND I KNOW DEVELOPMENT IS NECESSARY, ESPECIALLY ON OUR CORRIDOR. HONESTLY, MY YOUNG FAMILY HADN'T TOLD THE REST OF US ABOUT WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE. THEY JUST IS TOTALLY ON THEIR OWN. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOUNG FOLK DO. I DON'T KNOW. THEY WERE TOTALLY ON THEIR OWN. UM, SO THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY ADVICE. UH, AND AS THEY MENTIONED, AND I WANT TO REITERATE, I SAID, THEY ARE NO, THEY ARE NOT MILLION DOLLAR DEVELOPERS OR INVESTORS. UH, BUT WHAT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW IS THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF ANY KIND, INCLUDING BUILDINGS, IS IMPORTANT TO US. BUT PRESERVATION OF A COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN THERE AND STILL THERE AND, AND, AND CONTINUES TO BELIEVE IN, IN THE FACT THAT WE CAN THRIVE THERE, I THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THEY ALL WORK FULL-TIME. THEY WORK FOR A LIVING, AND THEY DO ALL OF THIS AND ALL OF THIS PLANNING AND ALL OF THIS MEETING WHILE STILL WORKING AS YOUNG FA AS A YOUNG FAMILY. SO, UM, IF I COULD JUST END BY SAYING THAT, UH, WE ARE SENSITIVE ABOUT ALL THINGS THE INDIGENOUS, BECAUSE WE ARE INDIGENOUS, UH, SOME OF US ON TWO SIDES, WE CAN PROVE LINEAGE. WE ARE ALSO SPANISH, ONE OF THE SIX, FIRST 16 FAMILIES OF SAN ANTONIO. SO ALL OF THAT RUNS THROUGH OUR BLOOD, OUR D N A, WE ARE ALL ABOUT THAT. SO, UM, YES, WE WILL, WE WILL ALWAYS CONSIDER WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT'S, UM, WHAT WE WANNA PRESERVE AND NEED TO PRESERVE. BUT PLEASE, IF YOU'LL CONSIDER, UH, BEING, I'M NOT GONNA SAY LENIENT 'CAUSE I WANT Y'ALL TO BE FAIR WITH EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK THAT YOU REALIZE THAT EACH SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. AND IF YOU CAN CONSIDER LENIENCY, BECAUSE AS I SAID, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS OR DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WHEN THEY BEGAN THIS PROJECT. THEY'RE LEARNING AS THEY GO ALONG, AS WE ALL ARE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. UM, ROSEMARY AND GUANA. HELLO, UH, MY NAME IS ROSEMARY ANGIANO ZUNIGA. I AM THE NEW VICE PRESIDENT OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I, TOO AM A DESCENDANT OF THE MISSIONS EIGHTH GENERATION DESCENDANT OF, I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON BUSILLO DRIVE, WHICH IS ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED, UH, LOCATION. I RETURNED TO BUSILLO DRIVE IN 2011 TO LIVE IN MY GRANDPARENTS' ONCE HOMESTEAD. UH, IN 2019, I PURCHASED A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF BUSIA DRIVE IN ROOSEVELT, WHICH WAS ONCE OWNED AND, UH, WAS ONCE A LITTLE, UH, I GUESS A BUSIA DRIVE-IN, WHICH WAS OUR LITTLE STORE WE WOULD GO TO FOR COLD CUTS AND CHIPS AND SAN AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WHERE MY GRANDFATHER WOULD STOP AND HAVE A FEW COLD RES WITH HIS COMPADRES. I REMEMBER, UM, I, UH, MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED THE BUILDING IN 2019, AND I WAS, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE A VERY, UH, IT WAS VERY, UH, IMPORTANT TO ME TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT PROPERTY STAY IN THE FAMILY. SO I WAS BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO BUY THAT PROPERTY FROM ANOTHER COUSIN WHO HAD INHERITED THE PROPERTY. UH, I NOW AM RENTING THE, THE BUILDING TO ANOTHER DESCENDANT WHO IS A SUCCESSFUL CLOTHING DESIGNER AND MAKER, UH, ANGELINA MATA, WHO'S PART OF THE FAMILY, THE MEDINAS AND PACHECOS AS WELL. UH, I, ALONG WITH MY MOTHER, WHO IS, WHO'S NOW 84 YEARS OLD, WAS BORN AND RAISED ON BUSILLO DRIVE, WHO HAPPENS TO LIVE ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE WELL, I HAPPEN TO LIVE ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE SHE [02:35:01] LIVES. AND, UH, WE ARE TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. UH, THIS NEXT ONE IS FROM TERRY IBANEZ, WHO WAS OUR FORMER, UH, MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT. UH, SHE SAYS 30 35 ROOSEVELT AVENUE WAS A VACANT LOT FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS. MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION HAS HAD NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS CALLS TO CODE COMPLIANCE FOR PROBLEMS WITH SQUATTERS AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY MISSION. SAN JOSE NEIGHBORS WERE SO HAPPY TO SEE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY SOUTHSIDE RESIDENTS. THE APPLICANTS HAVE MET WITH MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN NUMEROUS MEETINGS TO DISCUSS THEIR ID AND DESIGN WHAT THE APPLICANTS PRESENTED WITH THE MISSION. SAN JOSE, UH, MISSION, HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DESIGN MANUAL FOR MATERIALS FOR THE EXTERIORS AND THE STRUCTURES, COLORS, HEIGHT, AND LAND LANDSCAPE THEY PRESENTED. THEY ALIGNED. THE APPLICANT'S DESIGN ALSO ALIGNS WITH MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAND USE PLANS, UH, FOR ROOSEVELT CORRIDOR. ONCE THE 2017 BOND WORK IS COMPLETED, UH, UH, ON ROOSEVELT ANNUAL AVENUE 30 35 ROOSEVELT AVENUE WILL ENHANCE HER COMMUNITY STRUCTURALLY AND ECONOMICALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UM, TERRY YBANEZ DID SIGN IN AND SUPPORT, BUT I GUESS SHE HAD TO LEAVE. YES, SHE, SO A COUPLE OF VOICEMAILS NOW. OKAY. VOICEMAILS. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY, K 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 10. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO CONCURS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AT 3 0 3 5 ROOSEVELT IN THE MISSION HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSAL TO OUTFIT THE SITE WITH 12 CONEX SHIPPING CONTAINERS DOES NOT REFLECT THE ART DECO STYLE OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC LANDMARK STRUCTURE AT THIS LOCATION, NOR DOES IT CONFORM TO THE 2018 MISSION DISTRICT. DOES. I OPPOSE THE APPROVAL OF SHIPPING CONTAINERS, ESPECIALLY FOLLOWING THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL OF THE ADJACENT SAN JOSE VILLAGE PROJECT. HIS ARCHITECTURE CLEARLY REFLECTS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY. WE FURTHER OPPOSE THE USE OF MURALS TO DISGUISE THE PROPOSED SHIPPING CONTAINERS, CONTAINERS, NEITHER OF WHICH ARE APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ANNA DIEGO, AND I LIVE IN 1 5 9 1 4 MISSION RIDGE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 3 2. MY MESSAGE IS IN REGARDS TO THE YARD ADMISSION TRAIL LOCATED ON 30 35 ROOSEVELT. ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 2 6 8 2 3. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT. I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED FOR OUR CITY AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AREA. UM, I THINK THE YARD'S MISSION ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN, MASTER PLAN OF TAILORING STREET CORRIDORS TO BECOME MORE PE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED. I THINK IT'LL SUPPORT THE LOCAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP THAT WE WANT TO PROMOTE AS A CITY SPECIFICALLY ALSO IN THIS AREA. I ALSO THINK THAT BY HAVING THIS FAMILY FRIENDLY FOOT COURT OR FOOT COMPLEX, UM, WE WILL BE PROVIDING WITH A VERY, VERY GOOD GATHERING HUB, WHERE LOCAL CATERERS AND FOOT BUSINESS STARTUPS, AS WELL AS STUDENTS, WILL CREATE THE, THEIR CULINARY VISION FOR THE CONSUMER MARKET. SO WE WILL BE CREATING JOBS THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED FOR THIS AREA AND FOR THE CITY IN GENERAL. WE WILL INSPIRE PEOPLE TO PURSUE ENTREPRENEURSHIP. WE WILL HELP 'EM GROW THEIR NETWORK WHILE WE STRENGTHEN OURS. AND, UM, ALSO THIS, THIS BUILDING WILL PRO PROVIDE, UH, THE LIVELINESS THAT WE NEED IN THIS AREA, AND IT'LL ALLOW TO REVITALIZE THIS AREA AND THE CITY. IT'LL BASICALLY COMPLIMENT THE, UH, MISSION DRIVE THEATER RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AND IT'LL COMPLIMENT OTHER, OTHER RESTAURANTS AND OTHER, UH, ESTABLISHMENT THAT ARE, THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA, AND AS WELL AS HELP US CONNECT PEOPLE FROM, UH, MISSION SAN JOSE TO MISSION SAN JUAN. THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE WE HAD ONE MORE IN-PERSON SPEAKER. I'M JANE HENRY. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. UH, I DIDN'T SIGN IN TO [02:40:01] SPEAK BECAUSE I UNDERSTOOD THAT, UM, SOMEONE WAS GOING TO READ MY LETTER THAT, UM, I SENT ON BEHALF OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD. YEAH, WE HAVE YOUR LETTER IN THE FILE. WE HAVE COPIES OF THEIR LETTERS, AND WE'VE READ THEM ON OUR SCREENS. WE'LL BE READ TO THE, UH, IN PUBLIC, UH, IT BECOMES PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, BUT WE GENERALLY DON'T READ THEM, UH, INTO THE RECORD AT THESE MEETINGS. BUT YOU CAN IF YOU WANT TO. I DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME BECAUSE SHE'LL HAVE A COPY RIGHT THERE. OKAY. WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU. I HAVE IT. UM, DEAR O H P, THE EXECUTIVE BOARD OF THE MISSION, SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION APPROVES OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR A FOOD PARK AT 30 35 ROOSEVELT. IT WILL BE RENOVATING TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES ON SITE, ONE OF WHICH THE O H P HAS DETERMINED TO BE HISTORIC. THEY ALSO HAVE PLANS TO ADD SOME CONEX STRUCTURES CONVERTED TO KITCHENS. WHILE WE ARE NOT SURE THE CONEX MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MISSION HISTORIC DESIGN MANUAL, THEY DO PLAN TO USE MATERIALS FOR EXTERIOR MODIFICATION, WHICH THEY BELIEVE WILL MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. WE ARE THRILLED THAT AFTER MANY YEARS, SOMEONE HAS FINALLY BOUGHT THIS LONG, NEGLECTED BLIGHTED PROPERTY, WHICH WAS A MAGNET FOR SQUATTERS. WE'RE ALSO THRILLED THAT THE NEW OWNERS ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE PACHECO LEGACY FAMILY WITH MANY OF THEIR COUSINS STILL LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE THEIR ENTHUSIASM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVELOPING AND LIVELY OUTDOOR FOOD SERVICE FOR THE COMMUNITY. JANE HENRY, THANK YOU. SO, UM, YES. YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, THEY, SHE JUST LET SAID THAT WE WOULD COME BACK UP FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN. AND, UM, I WANTED TO JUST FIRST OF ALL COMMEND YOU ALL ON THE ENTHUSIASM AND, UH, THE GREAT SORT OF TALKING NOTES THAT YOU, YOU CONVEYED TO US. I THINK IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE AND VERY CONVINCING. AND, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENT TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN ASPECTS OF, OF THE PROJECT. AND IN FACT, I, YOU KIND OF TURNED MY OPINION A LITTLE BIT, MY INITIAL OPINION OF THIS PROJECT, I WAS, UH, UH, KIND OF GOING WHAT CONEX IS IN THE MISSION DISTRICT, BUT I ALSO WANNA STEP BACK AND THINK, OKAY, THE MISSION DISTRICT IS SOMEPLACE THAT IS NOW BEGINNING TO SEE A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE, AND WE WANNA DO IT RIGHT AND RETAIN WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIAL AND, AND, UM, UH, THAT CAPTURES THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA, BUT ALSO THE TRANSFORMATIVE AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS AND ALL THAT. AND, AND I PARTICULARLY AM SENSITIVE TO THE OPPORTUNITIES OF, OF YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS WHO ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE USE OF THESE KINDS OF, OF FACILITIES TO THEN SPRINGBOARD INTO, YOU KNOW, FULL-BLOWN RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE NEWNESS OF THE 2018, UH, DESIGN GUIDELINES AND HOW WE'RE AS A COMMISSION OR KIND OF WRESTLING WITH HOW THOSE WORK WITHIN THIS, UH, AS, AS COMMISSIONER VESQUEZ OFTEN REMINDS US, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF DISTRICT, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT THE MISSION, CERTAINLY, BUT YOU HAVE A RURAL ASPECT TO IT. AND SO IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A MIXED BAG. AND I WOULD REALLY CAUTION OUR, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THINK VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT THIS, AND PERHAPS MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR A D R C SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND ALSO HAVE YOUR ARCHITECT PRESENT SO THAT HE, HE, HE OR SHE CAN, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THAT TO GIVE YOU GUYS AS GOOD A SHAKE WITH THIS AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY, MY SUGGESTION. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. JUST MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER, THIS IS FOR QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO DISCUSSION, RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. YE YES. AND YOU KNOW, CLARIFICATION OF THE POINT OF ORDER, TOO. UH, IT'S, UH, A TIME TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT NOT FOR DISCUSSION AMONGST BOARD MEMBERS. SO I'LL BE ADDRESSING THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS TO SHARE WITH YOUR PERMISSION. YES, SIR. UH, FIR FIRST I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT WHEN WE GET, UH, AN APPLICATION, THE, THE FIRST THING THAT WE SEE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL THE PRESENTATION IS PUT TOGETHER. AND Y'ALL DID AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB IN THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. UH, DRAWING FROM ALL KINDS OF, UH, UH, INSPIRATION. IT'S, IT, IT IS REALLY KIND OF A, UH, FOR A PERSON THAT PUTS PRESENTATIONS TOGETHER, IT'S INTIMIDATING, RIGHT? . UH, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TELL YOU IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I, YOU HAD ME UNTIL YOU SAID YOU WENT TO MCCULLUM AND I WENT TO LENDALE . UH, SO, UH, BUT, BUT BOTH MY PARENTS WENT TO HEARTLAND DALE. WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE CHOICE. WELL, I KNEW THEY HAD TO BEGIN THERE SOMEHOW, RIGHT? BUT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY, VERY AWARE OF, UM, THE, THE ABORIGINAL ROOTS OF THE PACHECO FAMILY, RIGHT? AND THE WI AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE NAMES, UH, UNLIKE THE REST OF THE CITY, RIGHT? THO THOSE FOUNDATIONAL NAMES TO US IN THE SOUTH SIDE ARE, ARE, UH, NAMES THAT WE HOLD IN HIGH RESPECT. AND IT IS WONDERFUL TO LOOK AT THIS NOT JUST IN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF YOU, YOU MODERN YOUNG PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING, RIGHT? BUT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF OUR COLONIAL REALITY [02:45:02] AND, AND SURVIVING, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER JIMMY AND I HAVE OFTEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC, RIGHT? THAT, THAT Y'ALL DO REPRESENT, UH, THE STAYING POWER OF A, OF A, OF A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE THE, THE SPANIARDS, UH, ALONE LANDED, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND GAVE US WHAT WE KNOW NOW AS THE, AS THIS AREA NOW, NOW TO THE AREA. WHAT, JUST WANNA A, UH, UH, ASK YOU AND, AND TELL YOU AT THE SAME TIME THAT I'VE TAKEN FROM YOUR PRESENTATION, SOME, UM, UM, UH, I GUESS SHOULD BACK UP A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTAINERS. AND IT'S POSSIBLY BECAUSE MAYBE, UH, ARCHITECTURALLY THERE'S, THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF EXPLAINING THIS, RIGHT? BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT SOMEONE LETS YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF THE FIRST MODULAR MODERN PROJECTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO IS THE CHAIR IS ACROSS THE STREET. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STACKING MODULAR, UH, UH, BUILDINGS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR? THIS IS THAT TIME NOW. WELL, IT'S THE TIME I'M ADDRESSING THE, THE APPLICANT. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S TIME FOR QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. NOT WELL, DID YOU KNOW THAT, UH, THE, THE, THE CUBICLES THAT WERE BUILT THAT WERE USED TO BUILD A HILTON HOTEL, THOSE CUBICLES THAT WERE LEFT OVER BUILT THE SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY PROJECTS THAT WERE ONCE CALLED THE WHITE APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE? YEAH. MY, UM, MY GRANDMOTHER ON MY MOTHER'S SIDE, SHE'S 94 YEARS OLD, AND SHE LOVES TO TELL THE STORY OF DRIVING PAST DOWNTOWN AND SEEING THE CRANE PUT ON THERE. WELL, Y'ALL ARE PERFECTLY IN THE CONTEXT OF IF, IF THERE'S ANYTHING HISTORICAL ABOUT THAT, THAT AREA. IT IS THE, THAT SAN ANTONIO HOUSING AUTHORITY DEVELOPMENT, AND IT IS A MODULAR DEVELOPMENT, AND IT IS USING, UH, MODERN MATERIALS. IT'S CUBICLE THAT IS PERFECTLY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES. UM, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR STAFF, AND I KNOW WE WI WE VISITED YOUR SITE NINE MONTHS AGO, MAYBE THEREABOUTS, RIGHT? UH, I THINK IT WAS IN JUNE OR JULY. OKAY. SO THERE WAS SOME NOTES FROM THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER. WERE YOU THERE? I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE THERE. THAT WAS FOR, I PROBABLY THE, I THINK WE GONNA ASSESSMENT CASE. IT WAS THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS. WAS THERE CONTRIBU STATUS? THAT'S RIGHT. WERE, THERE WERE FOUR BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. AND SO I JUST WANTED THIS, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY NEW. I THINK YOU WERE THERE TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. UM, BUT I THINK WE ASKED YOU TO FACTOR IN SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE DESIGN CONCEPTS. WERE YOU ABLE TO KIND OF FACTOR IN, I THINK THE CONTRIBUTING FACTOR WAS THAT LITTLE ART DECO PIECE RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS FACTOR THAT INTO YOUR DESIGN AT ALL, OR WHAT YOU GUYS THOUGHT OF IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF, OF THAT PIECE THAT'S THERE? UM, AND I APOLOGIZE. WE, IT, THE BUILDING WILL STAY. WE WILL, UM, REHAB IT. THE, UM, SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, ALSO GAVE US A GRANT TO REHABILITATE, REHABILITATE THAT, UH, BUILDING. AND THOSE ARE IN OUR PLANS. THIS PROCESS, UM, AS MENTIONED, IS NEW TO US. UM, WE CAN'T COME TO THE TABLE WITH EVERYTHING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS NOT FINANCIALLY, FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO US. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE USE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE AT THE BOTTOM, JESSICA, WHERE WE SHOW, UM, SOME OF THE CONCEPTUAL RENDERINGS. WE DO HAVE THE BUILDING IN THERE. UM, WE ARE WRESTLING WITH HOW EXACTLY WE WILL UTILIZE IT, BUT IT WILL STAY AND IT WILL BE RENOVATED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, I'M READY FOR A MOTION WHEN I QUESTION. I HAVE CHAIR. YEAH, WE HAVE A QUESTION. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU. AND THE REAL QUESTIONS TOO, UM, THE HEIGHT POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THE, WE, WE HAD AGREED THAT WE WERE, WE WERE GOING TO ASKING QUESTIONS, MAINTAIN A, A LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CLARIFYING CERTAIN OR NOT ASKING QUESTIONS. OKAY. UM, THE, YOUR, YOUR PROFORMA GIVES THE DIMENSIONS OF ALL OF THE TRAILERS OR ALL OF THE STORAGE CONTAINERS IN LENGTH AND WIDTH, OR MOSTLY IN LINK. WHAT IS THE HEIGHT, THE FINISHED HEIGHT FROM YOU PLOPPED IT ON THE GROUND TO THE VERY TOP OF THE UNIT? I BELIEVE IT IS 10. IT'S 10 FEET, I BELIEVE. SO THE FINISHED, I DON'T, I WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE ARCHITECT WITH A FINISHED INTERIOR WHAT THAT WOULD DROP IT DOWN TO. WELL, THE, THE PLANS SHOW EIGHT FEET. YEAH. THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE 20 OR 40 BY 10 BY EIGHT BY EIGHT FEET. OKAY, GREAT. AND EIGHT HEIGHT, I'M SORRY. HEIGHT. AND YOU'RE, THANK YOU. AND THE REASON THAT YOU'RE USING THE CONTAINERS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF FOLKS WILL ENTER INTO THAT CONTAINER IDEA BECAUSE IT IS, IT SEEMS ECONOMICAL. AND I NOTICED FROM YOUR PLANS THAT YOU'RE DOING, IT APPEARS YOU'RE DOING MINIMAL INTERVENTION ON THAT CONTAINER. UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY MINIMAL INTERVENTION? YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, UM, SOME FOLKS LIKE TO BEGIN TO CUT IN A LOT OF WINDOWS AND DOORS AND ALTER 'EM, WHICH THEN REALLY JACKS UP THE PRICE. MM-HMM. . SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM YOUR PLANS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON ONLY MAKING MAYBE A TRANSACTION WINDOW AND A DOOR, IS THAT [02:50:01] THE CASE? THAT THAT'S CORRECT. YES. SO YOU'RE MINIMIZING YOUR, UM, INTERVENTION OR WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THOSE CONTAINERS TO KEEP COSTS DOWN? WELL, IT'S GONNA KEEP COSTS DOWN, I THINK. UM-HUH. FROM HAVING NUMEROUS UNITS THAT ARE GONNA BE SPLIT IN TWO. SO YOU HAVE TWO, 200 SQUARE FOOT KITCHENS, WHICH IS WHEN YOU GO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL SPACE, THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. UM, IT ALLOWS THEN THAT SAME THING TO TAKE PLACE ON THE OTHER HALF OF IT. SO I THINK IT WOULD JUST LOOK TOO CROWDED. THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT, TO BE HONEST. MM-HMM. , THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE SPACE SO THEY CAN YEAH. AND INTRODUCING MULTIPLE WINDOWS, UM, WOULD OBSTRUCT THE ACTUAL USABLE SPACE FOR THOSE YES. UM, KITCHEN. RIGHT. WE, PART OF IT TOO IS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A SPACE THAT'S NOT ONLY AFFORDABLE TO BUILD, BUT AFFORDABLE FOR SOMEONE TO RENT FROM US. MM-HMM. . UM, SO ALL THOSE THINGS ARE TAKING, BEING TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THEN ALSO REGARDING THE MATERIAL ON THE OUTSIDE, AS YOU HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH, UH, VARIOUS OPTIONS AND MAYBE LOOKING AT THE GUIDELINES, DID YOU THINK ABOUT HOW A MASONRY MATERIAL MIGHT INTERFACE WITH OR BEGIN TO WORK WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING? HAVE YOU, WAS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. UH, UH, WE HAVEN'T FULLY GONE DOWN THAT ROUTE, JUST FROM A COST STANDPOINT, UHHUH OF WHAT WE'VE LOOKED INTO SO FAR AND KIND OF THE INITIAL DESIGNS, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE DESIGNER. SO WE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, UH, A MORE OF A WOOD FACADE FIRST. UM, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED THOUGH, I GUESS. OKAY. IN ADDITION, IT JUST, IT, IF I'VE, WE KNOW WE PROVIDED A LOT OF EXAMPLES. THERE ARE NOT VERY MANY EXAMPLES OF CONTAINERS THAT UTILIZE A STONE FACADE. IT KIND OF GETS AWAY FROM THE PURPOSE OF, UM, USING THAT. IT ALSO, WE ARE TRYING TO, AS SECTION THREE CALLS FOR REALLY TO USE, THINK ABOUT HOW TO ALTERNATIVELY USE THESE MATERIALS. RIGHT? UM, ANYONE CAN GO UP AND PUT A STUCCO BUILDING. UM, BUT WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT, THE COST, THE TIME, THE IMPACT TO THE ENVIRONMENT WASN'T IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY, THE IMPACT COMMUNITY. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT, A PATH THAT WE WANTED TO GO DOWN. THIS, UM, TREATMENT IS MINIMALISTIC IN SO MANY WAYS THAT IT JUST MAKES SENSE FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. I WANT TO GET A BACK IDEA OF THE BACKGROUND CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD. MM-HMM. AND JUST WHERE THAT WAS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER GROUP ON YOUR, ON THE LAST PAGE, 53. UM, IT'S RELATED TO THE HISTORIC, UM, BUILDING. IT SAYS YOU'RE MOVING IN. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE. THAT WAS, UM, ORIGINALLY PART OF OUR PLAN. UM, BUT IN WORKING EXTREMELY CLOSE WITH JESSICA, SHE RECOMMENDED THAT THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT, UM, PURSUE. WHILE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US TO MOVE IT, UM, IT ALSO BECOMES EXPENSIVE. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE BUILDING IN THE PLACE THAT IT IS, LIKE ITS CURRENT LOCATION. OKAY. AND I GUESS, AND IT ALSO GOES WITH THE QUESTION THAT I DON'T THINK IT WAS FULLY ANSWERED, IS, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE RENDERINGS, AND I THINK YOU'RE SHOWING THE OTHER HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT'S CONTRIBUTING, WHICH IS THE ARCTIC ONLY HISTORIC BUILDING ON, THERE IS ONLY ONE HISTORIC BUILDING WE DID PROVIDE RENDER. IS THAT RENDER THE ARCTIC ONE? YES. WHICH, IT'S THE ONE WITH THE ARCTIC. YEAH. NOT THAT ONE. YES, IT'S THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT. WE DID PROVIDE A RENDERING. DO YOU HAVE THE, OR DID I ONLY APPROVE YOU, ME TO SEND IT? YEAH. I MEAN, WE HAVE, UM, DESIGNS FOR THAT. UM, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT PART OF, WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO RECONSTRUCT THAT BUILDING. OR I GUESS THE QUESTION WAS MORE LIKE, HOW DO YOU RELATE THE CONCEPT OF THE CONTAINERS WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING? BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THAT PACKAGE HERE RIGHT NOW THAT SHOWS US ANY, HOW DO WE RELATE THE CONCEPT OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT TO THE HISTORIC BUILDING? WELL, HOW DOES THE HISTORIC PLAY A PART OF YOUR PROJECT? HOW DOES THESE WORK? IT'S THE CENTER OF OUR PROJECT. IT'S A BUILDING THAT WE, UH, ARE KEEPING REHABBING. UM, THE GOAL OR SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE'VE TOSSED AROUND IN DOING IT IS MAKING IT, UM, LIKE A MAKER'S AREA OR MAKERS' FACILITY WHERE WE CAN SUPPORT LOCAL ARTISTS, UM, AND LOCAL, UM, ENTREPRENEURS AS WELL. BUT WE WERE KIND OF JUST PULLING IN THE BEAUTY OF THE BUILDING. UM, THAT'S NOT FOR YOU. OKAY. OKAY. OH, SORRY. LAST QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ASK FOR A MOTION. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT HISTORIC BUILDING. UH, FROM THE, FROM THE PICTURES, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS NOT [02:55:01] TOO MUCH, MAYBE HALF OF WHAT I SAW WAS, MIGHT HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL. THE REST OF IT HAD CLAPBOARD, UH, ADDITIONS TO IT. ARE YOU TRYING TO REDO THE WHOLE THING? NO. OR JUST THE, THE MASONRY PART? WE DID THE, GO AHEAD. NO, PLEASE. THE REAR PORTION OF THAT BUILDING WAS FOUND NON-CONTRIBUTING BY A PREVIOUS ASSESSMENT. SURE. IT LOOKS NOT CONTRIBUTING. , MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. SO IS A QUESTION FOR THE PLAN FOR IT? YES. IF THE RENOVATION WAS GONNA INCLUDE THAT WHOLE BUILDING THAT WE SAW, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MAYBE CUT IT FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL. YEAH. MORE OR LESS SQUARE. RESTORE IT TO THE ORIGINAL SIZE. YEP. YEP. OKAY. THANKS. AND I APOLOGIZE, WE DO HAVE HOLISTIC PLANS, UM, FOR THAT BUILDING AND PICTURES AND RENDERINGS OF THE TREATMENTS THAT WE PLAN ON. MOSTLY PAINT, UM, AND MURAL ART. WE JUST DIDN'T PUT THEM IN BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR APPROVAL ON. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT, UH, THIS GET REFERRED TO A D R C FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE PEELING BACK OF THE ONION. I THINK YOU GOT SOME GOOD, GOOD IDEAS HERE, AND I THINK YOU CAN GET SOME, SOME BETTER, UH, UH, NICKING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO SOMETHING MIGHT, MIGHT, UH, MIGHT GET PAST HERE. UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THAT, WOULD YOU GUYS HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE COULD ADD IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? WELL, ONCE WE GET A SECOND, THEN. OKAY. SORRY. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND NOW. NO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT, THAT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BE, UH, APPROVED OR THAT IT BE APPROVED AS REQUESTED FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. UM, I, I'M SORRY TO BREAK IN. THERE ARE TWO ITEMS JUST TO NOTE. UH, THERE'S ANOTHER REQUEST FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF MODIFICATIONS TO A NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN MOTIONS. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRST THOUGH, SHOULDN'T IT? NO, THE FIRST MOTION WAS TO SEND IT TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. RIGHT. BUT BASED ON WHAT SHE JUST SAID, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO DESCRIBE WHETHER YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE, UH, APPLICATION FOR THE, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. SO THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO SUBMITTALS. NO, THERE'S ONE, THERE'S ONE APPLICATION. THE FIRST ITEM IS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE SECOND ITEM IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE, UH, APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH IS LIKE FINAL APPROVAL. SO YOU JUST NEED ONE MOTION WITH AN A AND A B. YOU JUST NEED TO ADDRESS BOTH ITEMS IN YOUR MOTION. OKAY. SO MOTION TO APPROVE CONCEPTUAL AND TO ENABLE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR REMOVAL OF THE NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES. NO, NO. THE APPLICATION IS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. THERE'S SEVEN ITEMS. THESE SEVEN ITEMS WHICH STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF. YOU CAN JUST SAY IT FOR BOTH ITEMS WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. OH, WELL, CONCEPTUAL. OKAY. UM, YOU CAN SAY APPROVE, APPROVE APPROVAL FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT COVERS IT. E EXCEPT FOR CONCEPTUAL. THAT CONCEPTUAL WOULD BE AS PRESENTED AS PRESENTED. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I WANT TO JUST BRING, UH, SOME ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO UNDERSTANDING THIS PROJECT. THE, WE, WE THINK ABOUT, OR, OR WE, WE DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE BASED ON THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, THIS COMMUNITY, THE O ONLY THING IS THAT WITH, WITH A VERY RECENT MEMORY, THEN IT IS THE WAY THAT IT IS, THERE'S THE WORLD HERITAGE SITE THAT'S GONNA BE THERE AND THE DESIGNATION THAT WAS MADE AND THE MISSION LIBRARY THAT'S THERE NOW. AND THE, AND THE, UM, Y W C A THAT IS PRACTICALLY A METAL MODERN BUILDING THAT'S BEEN BUILT. UM, BUT THE AREA WAS VERY DIFFERENT IN, IN ITS HISTORIC CONTEXT. AT AT LEAST BY 1948. IT HAD A DRIVE-IN THERE THAT YOU SEE THAT MAIN MARQUEE THAT EVOLVED INTO A FOUR PANELED DRIVE-IN. IT WAS A MASSIVE DRIVE-IN, AND WE ALL WENT TO THE DRIVE-IN. AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, UM, IT, IT JUST VERY RECENTLY WAS, WAS TAKEN DOWN. NOW, UH, SECONDARY, THE WHITE APARTMENTS ARE HISTORIC IN THE, IN THE CONTEXT OF THEM BEING ONE OF THE FIRST MODULAR, UH, UH, UH, STRUCTURES OF BUILT. IT WAS QUITE, QUITE, UM, COLD IN, ITS IN ITS KIND OF BRUTALIST, UH, ARCHITECTURAL EXPRESSION BECAUSE IT IS [03:00:01] AN OUTGROWTH OF THE HEMISPHERE WITH RESPECT TO THE ZACHARY PROJECT THAT BECAME THE HILTON HOTEL. SO THE PACIO, SO THOSE CUBICLES, IF YOU CAN SEE THE, THE HILTON STACKED, THE WAY THAT IT IS, IS ONE, ONE PIECE THAT BECOMES THIS BEAUTIFUL PAL IN THE CONTEXT OF PUBLIC HOUSING. IT WAS JUST BOXES STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO WHEN YOU SEE THE PITCHED ROOFS ON THESE BUILDINGS, THERE WERE NO PITCHED ROOFS. THEY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE BOXES. BUT NONETHELESS, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WITH RESPECT TO HISTORY, BECAUSE THOSE BOXES ARE STILL THERE. TAKING THE METAL AND THE, AND THE CONCRETE AND, AND, AND THE TRUE HISTORIC, UH, NATURE OF THIS COMMUNITY AS IT EVOLVED. THEIR PROJECT IS TOTALLY WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF, OF KNOWING THE AREA, KNOWING WHAT THIS AREA WAS IN ADDITION TO THE WOOD THAT THEY'RE ADDING TO THE FACADE OF, OF, OF THESE, UH, UH, CUBICLES. TO ME, WHEN I FIRST SAW THEM, THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE PINE, UH, UM, VERTICAL PINE, UM, TRUNK FENCES THAT YOU SEE ALL OVER THE SOUTH SIDE. SO IT STARTS TO EVOKE, UH, THIS, THIS, UH, KIND OF A REAL SENSE OF, UH, KIND OF THE MODERN RANCH, UH, UM, UH, STANLEY'S WHERE THE BASEBALL FIELDS ARE AND WHERE YOU BOUGHT A HAMBURGER AND DRANK A A COCA-COLA. IT, IT, IT REALLY DOES TAKE US TO A PLACE WHERE CONCEPTUALLY, I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THERE, MR. CHAIR. SO I IMPLORE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO, TO, TO, TO E ENABLE THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND PERHAPS A D R C AS WELL. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROVE. SORRY. AND I'M, I'M, I'M CONCEPTUALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROJECT. I AGREE. UM, I, MY, MY PURVIEW AND I KIND OF, WHAT I LOOK AT, IT'S NOT NOTHING AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK THAT YOU NEED WORK TO, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WE CAN RELATE MORE THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND GIVE IT, ITS, IT IS CONTRIBU CONTRIBUTING, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT IMPORTANT. IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROPERTIES, CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT. SO I THINK ONE POINT WAS SAID BY THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH I THINK IS RIGHT ON POINT, IS YEAH, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE MATERIALS THAT ARE COVERING UP THE CONTAINERS, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ALSO, CONCEPTUALLY, IT'S LIKE YOU, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS OF, YOU KNOW, HIDING. IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE BLOCKS NEXT TO EACH OTHER. LIKE YOU'RE ACTUAL DRAWINGS ARE KIND OF LIKE ALMOST SHOWING THAT, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S WAYS OF HOW DO WE BRING THAT HISTORY FROM THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS KIND OF ALSO, I MEAN, SOME OF MAYBE THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET OR SOME OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW DO YOU BRING THAT INTO YOUR PROJECT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING THIS PROJECT BRAND NEW INTO THIS MISSION DISTRICT. AND I THINK THAT'S, AND THAT'S MAYBE A WAY THAT WE CAN, UH, MITIGATE THAT, YOU KNOW, GUIDELINES OF THE MISSION DISTRICT, WHICH IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE USING 25% OF MATERIALS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, LIKE YOUR PROJECT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST THE CONTAINERS, RIGHT? SO I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IN THE D R C MEETINGS, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, IS YOU HAVE INFORMAL MEETINGS, SEVERAL WHERE WE KIND OF DISCUSS THOSE MATERIAL TYPES. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU REALLY SHOULD THINK IS HOW YOU'RE INTEGRATING THAT FROM THE, FROM THE DISTRICT INTO YOUR PROJECT. SO, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE USE OF THE MATERIALS AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE USED THEM ARE NOT IN LINE WITH, I THINK YOUR CHOICES SHOULD BE REFLECTING, I MEAN, MAYBE TAKE SOME THINGS FROM THE DISTRICT IN YOUR CHOICES OF MATERIAL, THINGS FROM THE MISSION DISTRICT. MISSION DISTRICT. SO THE USE OF, I MEAN, THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED IN HERE, UM, WHETHER IT'S IN REVITALIZED OR ON THE YEAH, NO, WHAT I SAY IS YOU HAVE THEM LINED UP, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE RELATING, LIKE WE'RE NOT IN THE STAGE YET WHERE YOU'RE LIKE ACTUALLY DESIGNED, THIS UNIT WILL HAVE THIS MATERIAL. HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THAT HISTORIC BUILDING THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY? HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE OTHER UNITS NEXT TO IT? LIKE THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERING SO AND SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY AROUND MATERIAL OR CONCEPT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RELATED, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE PROJECT AND THE CONCEPT IS COMPLETELY RELATED, THE SAN ANTONIO, SAN ANTONIO IS LISTED AS A CITY OF GASTRONOMY. WE ARE BUILDING A FULL SERVICE KITCHEN. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE GONNA CHOOSE TO FOR YOUR CONTAINERS. RIGHT? I JUST, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THAT'S PART OF THE PURVIEW WHEN I LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES. RIGHT? AND BY ALL MEANS, THEY SAY GUIDELINES NOT RULES. WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES, WE ARE ASKED TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE USES FOR THESE TYPE OF PRIMARY, TRADITIONAL MATERIALS. SO CONSIDER USING TRADITIONAL MATERIALS SUCH AS WOOD SIDING IN A NEW WAY TO PROVIDE VISUAL INTEREST IN NEW CONSTRUCTION WHILE ENSURING COMPATIBILITY. UM, THAT'S [03:05:01] EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. UM, HERE. HISTORIC CONTENTS DESIGN NEW BUILDINGS TO REFLECT THEIR TIME WHILE REPRESENT RESPECTING HISTORIC CONTEXT. ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS INCORPORATE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE PREDOMINANT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, ALONG WITH THE BLOCK FACE OR WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHEN ONE EXISTS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONTAINERS BEING A MONOLITHIC DESIGN, UM, CONTEMPT. MA'AM, MA'AM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I, I'M NOT AGAINST THE MOTION. I'M FORWARD THE MOTION. THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NEXT STEP IN YOUR PROJECT THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER THOSE LANGUAGE IN YOUR, IN WHEN WE START PRESENTING, WHEN WE START TALKING MATERIALS IN THOSE D R C MEETINGS. OKAY. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. OKAY. CAN WE GIVE MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER BAKER, MR. CHAIR, INTO THE, TO THE APPLICANTS? I WANT TO TELL YOU THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS FOR YOUR FAMILIES AND YOUR, YOUR FRIENDS' TIME KIDS. HANG IN THERE. UM, I, I, I READ ABOUT THIS ACTUALLY IN THE SAN ANTONIO BUSINESS JOURNAL LAST WEEK AND, AND I THOUGHT, HOW COOL IS THIS? AND I MAKE, WANNA MAKE SURE I COME HERE AND HEAR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I THINK THIS IS COOL. I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT. I WANNA SEE IT ADVANCE FORWARD. AND, UM, I WANNA SAY THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE. AS A RETIRED ARMY ENGINEER, I HAVE BUILT THINGS WITH THESE CONEX BOXES. THEY'RE PRETTY VERSATILE AND YOU CAN COVER THEM UP IN A WAY THAT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A CONEX BOX OR A SHIPPING CONTAINER. UM, IT IS VERY COMPELLING, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE. AND, AND IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT YOU, Y'ALL ARE INVESTED AND THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS A REALITY. SO I THINK IN THAT RESPECT, YOU PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE THIS, THE, THE SUPPORT OF, OF THE COMMISSION HERE. UM, I THINK THIS IS AWESOME BECAUSE IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID, THE TRANSFORMATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT, THAT THIS MAY HAVE. UH, AND I JUST THINK THIS IS A COOL PLACE THAT'S LIKELY TO STIMULATE REVITALIZATION. YOU KNOW, UH, I, THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND, SOME OF THE FAVORITE PLACES MY FAMILY GOES IN TOWN, THE COVE, UH, NEAR OFF OF SAN PEDRO, NEAR TOBIN HILL, UH, THE FRIENDLY SPOT THERE IN THE KING WILLIAM DISTRICT. AND I THOUGHT, MAN, THIS IS COOL. THIS SHOULD BE A PLACE. IF PEOPLE, SOMEBODY'S DRIVING DOWN ROOSEVELT THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT'S THAT PLACE? LET'S GO CHECK IT OUT. WITH THAT IN MIND, I, I WANNA SUGGEST WE HAVE THIS PLACE THAT WE'VE BEEN PITCHING IT AT THESE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THE SAN ANTONIO REUSE SITE THAT'S AT PORT ANTONIO. UH, AND, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO GO OBTAIN THE MATERIALS. OKAY. UH, THAT WOULD BE COST EFFECTIVE. AND YOU'D HAVE ACCESS TO HISTORICAL MATERIALS THAT WE COULD, UH, THAT, THAT YOU COULD USE THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU MIGHT FIND ELSEWHERE IN THAT AREA. AND, UM, YEAH, I DO THINK THERE MAY BE SOME VALUE IN A DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE Y'ALL ARE WILLING TO WORK WHETHER WE HAVE A D R C OR WHETHER WE, OR WHETHER WE JUST LET YOU GO. UM, BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANKS. OKAY, COMMISSIONER SAVINA. UH, THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC PROJECT. I, AND, AND I'M DOUBLY GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT FROM THE AREA. I MEAN, WHO BETTER TO KNOW HOW THE AREA MOVES, WHAT THE RHYTHM OF IT IS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE FOLKS ARE TO DO, PROPOSE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? MY, MY INTEREST IS IN SEEING HOW YOU GUYS WORK WITH MATERIALS. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MATERIALS. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO USE MATERIALS AND, AND, UM, AND HOW YOU USE IT ON THE SITE. OKAY? BREAKAWAY, WE DO SEE A LOT OF THESE OR WE WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE MORE OF THE CONTAINER, UH, FOOD VENUES HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY EXIST IN SOME OTHER TEXAS CITIES, QUITE PREVALENTLY. BUT THEN WHAT IS IT ABOUT YOURS THAT PLACE IT IN THE MISSION DISTRICT? WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT THAN SOMETHING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN OR ON THE WEST SIDE OR FAR NORTHEAST SIDE? WHAT IS IT? AND OFTENTIMES THAT WILL BE MATERIALS. SO THAT'S SORT OF MY BENT, IS TO SEE HOW YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE OF THE PLACE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU SEE IT PUBLISHED. SOME OF THESE PHOTOS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. THEY CAN BE ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW? AND WE RUN THE RISK OF, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION ALWAYS RUNS THE RISK BY FOLLOWING CERTAIN MATERIAL TRENDS TO BEGIN TO ALL LOOK THE SAME. AND I THINK TRYING TO CAPTURE YOUR SENSE OF PLACE WILL REALLY SET IT ABOVE A TYPICAL PARK LIKE THIS. MM-HMM. . SO FOR THANK YOU FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH. THANK YOU. NO, IT MAKES SENSE. I APPRECIATE FOR, I APPRECIATE [03:10:01] THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, TO THE APPLICANTS, I, UM, I DON'T WANNA BE BE LABELED, APPOINT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF US HERE SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I THINK THAT WHEN, UM, COMMISSIONER GRU WAS TALKING ABOUT THE D R C, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE, WE WANNA SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, PROGRESS AND MOVE FORWARD AND THAT, AND THAT D R C HELPS IN THOSE, IN THOSE PLANS AND HELPING THE, UM, COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME CONCEPTS THAT CAN HELP YOU MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. I, I THINK AT THE BEGINNING I, WHEN I HEAR THE KIND CONTAINERS, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, NO, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU EXPLAINED IT, AS WE SAW THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT CAN ACTUALLY WORK. BUT I DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THE D R C BECAUSE I THINK THAT'LL BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL FOR YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I THINK MY OPINION OF THE PROJECT HAS TURNED AROUND WITH, WITH YOUR IMPASSIONED PRESENTATION AND THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND EXPLAINING WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO HERE. UM, I THINK, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, THE, UH, THE CONCEPT. SO, UM, BUT I DO ENCOURAGE A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH YOU CAN ARRANGE THROUGH, UH, JESSICA AND WE CAN HAVE A MORE, UH, INFORMAL DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH THAT WE CAN THEN DISCUSS OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE, UH, BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. SO, UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CAN WE CLARIFY? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S TWO MOTIONS RIGHT NOW ON THE TABLE. THERE'S AN AMENDMENT BY, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ TO, NO, YEAH, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS. AND SO ONE IS FOR APPROVAL BY COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, THE OTHER'S REFERRAL TO D R C. UM, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS, SO I RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE ACTION FIRST ON COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S MOTION. UM, AND IF THAT FAILS, THEN WE HAVE THE BACKUP MOTION OF REFERRAL TO D R C. AND, AND CORY, JUST TO CLARIFY, MY MOTION WAS THE MOTION TO APPROVE WAS PRESENTED, BUT, AND THE SECOND PIECE RIGHT, THAT YOU KNOW, BUT IT INCLUDED A D R C OF COURSE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS HAVE ECHOED THAT. IF THAT'S CASE WITHDRAW, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS NAY FISH. OH, I'M SORRY. SAVINO. NAYYY VELASQUEZ. AYE. MOOKA AYE. CARPENTER. NAYYY NAY GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSES. SO JESSICA, WE'LL GET WITH YOU. WE'LL GET A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE SCHEDULED, UH, PROBABLY FOR NEXT WEEK AND THEN, UM, WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. I WITHDREW ALL MY MOTION. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK. THANK YOU GUYS. JUST TO BE CLEAR AND COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES WITHDREW HIS MOTION. HEY KIDS. YOUR PARENTS DID GOOD. THANK YOU GUYS. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. ITEM 11 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 4 4 3 54 NORTH DRIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF ON THE GARAGE WITH A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF TO MATCH THE PATIO COVER AND THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AND TWO, TO MODIFY THE FRONT GABLE ROOF FORM TO A FLAT ROOF FORM AND RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THE TOP PLATE OF THE GARAGE. ITEM ONE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ROOF MATERIAL CHANGE ON THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. BASED ON FINDINGS, A THROUGH D STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS A REPLACEMENT COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING ROOF. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEIR ROOF FORM MODIFICATION BASED ON FINDING, E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINS THE FRONT GABLE AND ROOF SHED FORMS. AND WE HAVE, UH, THE OWNER OF LUIS VALDERS IN PERSON AND WE HAVE 12 VOICEMAILS. AND MY NAME'S KIM BISHOP AND I AM ALSO PART OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY AND 'CAUSE I'M MARRIED TO LUIS, SO, UM, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. UM, ON SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2022, THE DOOR TO THE SHED OF OUR LAUNDRY CRUMBLED AND TERMITES RAINED DOWN UPON LUIS'S HEAD. ON SEPTEMBER 27TH, WE HIRED OUR CONTRACTOR TO REMOVE THE INFECTED WOOD. WE CAME HOME TO DISCOVER THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUILDING HAD BEEN REMOVED WITH A QUOTE OF $8,000 TO FIX IT. AT THIS TIME, WE SAW ON OUR RING TWO OF OUR NEIGHBORS STANDING ON TIPTOES BEHIND AND IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY, PEEKING, PEEPING OVER OUR FENCE. WHEN CALLED ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS, WE WERE [03:15:01] TOLD THAT THEY OFTEN WATCH US IN OUR BACKYARD, IN OUR ABOVEGROUND POOL, AND THAT THEY GUESS THEY WOULD LET US FIX OUR GARAGE. WE TOLD OUR CONTRACTOR TO CLEAN UP THE TERMITES AND LOUISE BEGAN THE APPLICATION PROCESS ON THE O H P WEBSITE, BUT THE WEBSITE WAS NOT WORKING. I ASKED LUIS TO TAKE CARE OF THIS BECAUSE I WAS AND STILL AM DEALING WITH A HORRIFIC FAMILY TRAGEDY INVOLVING MY BABY GRANDDAUGHTERS. ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, WE RECEIVED A STOCK WORK ORDER DATED SEPTEMBER 28TH, THREATENING TO CHARGE LUIS WITH THE PUBLIC NUISANCE. IT SAID THAT WE HAD TO RESOLVE THIS BY OCTOBER 12TH. ON OCTOBER 4TH, LUIS SPOKE WITH RACHEL WHO SAID SHE WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH THE WEBSITE TOO. ON OCTOBER 5TH, SHE CALLED BACK AND SAID SHE HAD FOUND A BACK DOOR TO GET US STARTED. ON OCTOBER 6TH, LUIS EMAILED RACHEL EXPLAINING THE NEED TO EXPEDIATE THIS, EXPEDITE THIS. MEANWHILE, OUR ART MATERIALS AND MUCH OF LUIS'S EARLY PAINTINGS WERE SITTING IN THE ELEMENTS. RACHEL WAS VERY HELPFUL AND GUIDING LUIS THROUGH THE PAPERWORK, SHE TOLD HIM WHAT IMAGES TO SEND IN AND HOW TO WORD OUR REQUESTS. LUIS DREW AN ELEVATION DIAGRAM THAT SHOWED THE MODIFIED ROOF LINE TO HELP MITIGATE THE FLOODING OF OUR LAUNDRY AND REDIRECT RAINWATER TO THE OUTSIDE CHANNEL OF OUR PROPERTY TO AVOID FURTHER DAMAGE AND EROSION THAT HAD BEEN OCCURRING DUE TO THE OLD GABLE STYLE ROOF. ON OCTOBER 9TH, IT RAINED RUINING $10,000 WORTH OF SUPPLIES AND ART. ON OCTOBER 10TH, WE WERE ISSUED A ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED C O A WITH THE NEW REQUIREMENTS BROUGHT THE COST OF OUR PROJECT UP TO $16,000. OUR CONTRACTOR WAS GRANTED. THE CITY PERMITS AND WORK BEGAN TO REBUILD ON THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT. ON OCTOBER 12TH, THE CITY INSPECTOR SAID IT WAS EXCELLENT. ON OCTOBER 20TH AND 21ST, THE ROOF WAS ADDED. ON OCTOBER 24TH, THE FLOOR WAS POURED. AND OCTOBER 25TH, LUIS AND I CELEBRATED OUR NEW BUILDING AND SMUDGED IT. ON OCTOBER 26TH, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM RACHEL STATING STAFF HAS RECEIVED AN ANONYMOUS REPORT THAT WINDOW WORK IS TAKING PLACE ON THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS APPROVED. ON OCTOBER 28TH, RACHEL DID A SITE VISIT WHERE SHE TOLD US SHE MAY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE OR MISUNDERSTOOD AND WAS GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO HER STAFF FOR REVIEW. ON NOVEMBER 7TH, WE WERE SUMMONED. WE GOT OUR SUMMONS TO COME IN FRONT OF THE H D A R C TO APPROVE THE APPROVED COMPLETED STRUCTURE. ON DECEMBER 7TH, WE APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD WHERE WE WERE PUBLICLY ACCUSED OF LYING BY OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT CITING GOOGLE EARTH AS THEIR EVIDENCE ON DECEMBER 14TH, FIVE COMMISSIONERS RACHEL AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE NEIGHBOR ASSOCIATION VISITED. AT THIS TIME, WE LET Y'ALL KNOW THAT ANY FURTHER WORK ON THIS PROJECT WOULD PUT US IN DEVASTATING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. I ALSO ASKED OUR ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVE IF SHE HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. THE ROOF WAS NOT AN ISSUE. ON JANUARY 11TH, WE WERE NOTIFIED THAT WE NEEDED TO COME BEFORE Y'ALL FOR A THIRD TIME. JESSICA EMAILED LUIS ON JANUARY 25TH THAT OUR REQUEST HAD BEEN DENIED AND THAT NO WORK SHOULD OCCUR PRIOR TO RECEIVING A C O A. WE RECEIVED A C O A ON OCTOBER 10TH, 2022. AND WORK HAS BASICALLY COMPLETED BY OCTOBER 27TH, 2022. WE BELIEVE THAT RACHEL WAS TRYING TO HELP US AND WHILE SHE MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD OR MADE A MISTAKE, IT SHOULD NOT BE THE BURDEN OF THE CITIZEN TO BEAR THAT HARDSHIP. WE HAVE NEVER TRIED TO BE DECEITFUL AND YET WE HAVE BEEN. WE FEEL WE HAVE BEEN BULLIED IN SPIED UPON. THIS HAS BEEN SO TRAUMATIC FOR ME THAT I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE IN MY OWN BACKYARD OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS HOUSED AND SHAPED FIVE GENERATIONS OF MY FAMILY. THIS. UM, SO WE ARE HUMBLY HERE PLEADING TO YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING OF OUR SITUATION AND TO NOT PUT US INTO ANY MORE HARDSHIP, COST, STRESS, OR TIME WITH OUR GARAGE THAT IS IN OUR BACKYARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE 12 VOICEMAILS IN SUPPORT AND WITH EVERYONE'S CONCURRENCE, UM, WE'LL JUST PROCEED WITH, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. YES, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. SO I WAS LISTENING TO YOU, BUT I WAS TRYING TO KEEP TRACK. HOW MANY COAS TOTAL FROM START TO FINISH WERE WE LOOKING AT? ONE. ONE? WE ISSUED ONE C O A FOR THE CHANGE OF MATERIALS FOR THE ROOF. OKAY. AND THEN SPECIFICALLY, [03:20:01] WHAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU BUILT? WHAT YOU REPAIRED TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE YOU MOVED THE WINDOW? RIGHT. SLIGHTLY MOVED THE WINDOW A LITTLE BIT. SO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS A GABLE STYLE ROOF. OKAY. AND THE FLOOR OF THE GARAGE WAS ALL CRUMBLED, CRUMBLED AND DIRT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN GETTING, IT'S BEEN GETTING FLOODED FOR YEARS. AND ALL OF, LIKE THE ROOF AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF IT WAS, IT WAS INFESTED WITH TERMITES. RIGHT. SO IT WAS ALL, IT WAS CRUMBLING, . AND YOU MENTIONED A WINDOW WAS, WAS MOVED, THE WINDOW WASN'T MOVED FROM THE LOCATION THAT IT WAS, UH, UH, CUT OUT FROM. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE ORIGINAL, UH, DRAWING, ELEVATION DRAWING THAT I SENT IN TO RACHEL HAD, UH, THREE WINDOWS ACROSS THE TOP SIDE THAT YOU SEE THERE. AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER THREE, WHICH SHE TOLD, UH, ME TO REMOVE, UH, IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE APPROVED, UH, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVELY AS WELL AS CHANGE, UH, ALL THE WRAPPING INTO WOOD IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE REMOVED, UH, APPROVED. SO WE DID EXACTLY WHAT RACHEL TOLD US TO DO. OKAY. SO THAT WINDOW THAT'S BACK THERE IS IN THE PLACE OF THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, MR. CHAIR. GOT IT. THANK YES. QUESTIONS. UM, J JUST, UM, MR. CHAIR, I THINK IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO, TO GO BACKWARDS WITH RESPECT TO OUR D D R C RIGHT. THAT WE HAD A D R C AND IN, IN, IN TERMS OF KIND OF, UH, UH, UH, PRESENTING THAT WHAT OUR D R C WAS, RIGHT? THAT, THAT IT WAS CLEAR THAT THERE WAS A, UH, MISCOMMUNICATION AND TO NO, AT NO FAULT OF THE, OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER OF THE APPLICANT. SO WE, UH, WE HAD A D R C TO GO AND VERIFY AND MANY OF US WENT. I DON'T THINK A QUORUM OF US WAS PRESENT, BUT MANY OF COMMISSIONERS WERE PRESENT. AND I BELIEVE THAT AT THE D R C, THE ONLY ITEM THAT, THAT, THAT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS STILL FLOATING, WAS SOMETHING THAT ABOUT GARAGE DOORS, THE DOORS THAT WERE FACING THE STREET AND WHETHER OR NOT THOSE WOULD CONFORM. 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE HAD BEEN PUT IN YET. NO. RIGHT. SO THERE WAS A, A, A, SOME STYLING IN THE FRONT THAT NEEDED TO BE DEALT WITH, BUT AS OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT WE WENT TO REALLY MORE VERIFY AND THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US TODAY, THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN, UH, AND I HATE TO DRAW 'EM THROUGH THAT AGAIN BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN THAT TESTIMONY. WE WENT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF VERIFICATION AND THAT ONE ITEM IS WHAT WE WERE LEFT WITH AT THE D R C. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS ALSO AT THE D R C MR. CARPENTER AND, UM, I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ'S, UH, COMMENTS THERE. UH, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THERE'S A SORT OF LIKE A, A STORAGE ROLL ROLLING DOOR THAT WAS YES. THERE AT THE GARAGE. WE PUT THAT THERE TEMPORARILY BECAUSE WE RIGHT, WE ENDED UP SPENDING SO MUCH FROM THE BUDGET TO WRAP IT IN WOOD, WHICH IS NOT EQUAL FRIENDLY AT ALL. AND, AND IT JUST SPENT SO MUCH MORE INTO OUR BUDGET. YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. AND, AND JUST TO BACK UP, UH, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR LETTING US, YOU KNOW, COME ON THE SITE AND SEE IT BECAUSE FOR ME, THAT, THAT CLEARED UP ALL OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON IN YOUR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S A, AN ACTIVE ARTIST'S, UM, WORKSHOP BACK THERE. AND SO THAT HELPS ME TO MAKE SENSE OF THE PHOTOS AND THINGS THAT WERE IN THE PACKAGE THAT I COULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF WITHOUT BEING PRESENT THERE. SO THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALLOWING US TO, TO VIEW THAT. AND, UH, THE DAMAGE WAS VERY EXTENSIVE. I THINK THERE WERE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS AND MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LOSS OF THAT SORT OF NICELY SLOPED ROOF, UH, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE GARAGE ADDITION IS, IS A SHAME THAT WENT AWAY. BUT I THINK IN GENERAL, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S, UH, BEEN DONE THERE AND, AND, AND APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, LETTING US, UH, SEE, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENT OF THE WORK. AND I WONDER IF THERE'S SOME WAY IN WHICH, UM, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE DOOR, UH, WE, WE'VE HAD CASES IN THE PAST WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN SOME KIND OF TIME LIMIT FOR REPLACEMENT TO ALLOW AN APPLICANT TO HAVE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, GET ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND TO BRING SOMETHING INTO COMPLIANCE. SO, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. QUESTION? YES. COMMISSIONER GRUBE AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. AND FOR WHOEVER IS IN THE D R C, HOW MUCH IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? 'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND I WAS HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT. YEAH, THEY, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS A, UH, A PRIVACY FENCE THAT SCREENS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING. UH, THAT'S BACK THERE. I THINK YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PEAK OF THE ROOF. BUT, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER SANTE, UH, UH, SORRY, UM, SAVINO AND I WERE STANDING OUT ON THE, ON THE CURB AND LOOKING BACK AND SEEING KIND OF WHAT WAS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND MAYBE SHE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, CHIME IN ON THIS AS WELL. BUT IT WAS VERY MINIMALLY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THANK YOU. UM, AS COMMISSIONER QUESTION, I HAVE A [03:25:01] QUESTION, UH, FOR STAFF. ON PAGE 12 OF THE PACKAGE, WE SEE THE LINE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR AT SOME POINT. WHAT IS THE DATE OF THAT LINE DRAWING? AND WHERE IN THE PROCESS, WHEN, IN THE PROCESS WAS THAT SUBMITTED? IS THIS BEFORE AND FOR THAT FIRST C O A OR WAS THIS TO CATCH UP? IT WAS FOR THE FIRST C O A FOR THE FIRST ONE. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON, I I JUST READ IT, HOLD ON. EARLY OCTOBER. OCTOBER 10TH, 20. IT WAS EARLY. IT WAS IN OCTOBER. IT WAS BEFORE OCTOBER 10TH. 'CAUSE WE GOT THE C O A ON OCTOBER 10TH. THE, THE, I WAS UNDER DURESS TO GET MY, THE SITUATION SOLVED BECAUSE I WAS GONNA BE CHARGED WITH PUBLIC NUISANCE. I'M A SCHOOL TEACHER. IF I GET A, A MISDEMEANOR, UM, I CAN LOSE MY JOB. SO THAT'S WHY I APPROACHED, UH, RACHEL SO QUICKLY ABOUT TRYING TO GET THE ISSUE RESOLVED. AND SHE MENTIONED, WELL, ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED, YOU NEED TO WRAP IT IN WOOD, YOU NEED TO USE GLASS, UM, ALL WOOD WINDOWS FOR THE GARAGE. AND, AND SO THAT IS, THAT WAS THE IMPETUS FOR THAT. AND SO THIS IS THE DRAWING THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THAT ADMINISTRATIVE C O A? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, JESSICA, IF YOU GO TO PHOTO 14, THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT IS VISIBLE WHEN THE, UH, I BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT DRIVEWAY GATES. YES. YES. SO WHEN THE DRIVEWAY GATES ARE OPEN, THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE, THE DRIVEWAY. WELL, THIS IS HALFWAY DOWN, HALFWAY DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. RIGHT. THIS IS AT DRIVE DRIVEWAY AT THE REAR OF THE YARD. BUT IN, IN FRONT OF THAT, YOU HAVE, THIS IS FROM THE STREET? YES. YEAH. AND YOU HAVE A SIX FOOT HIGH GATE STANDARD, SIX FOOT IN FRONT OF YOUR TRUCK. MM-HMM. . AND THEN THE SHED IS AT TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. YES, CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE PROPERTY SINKS TO THE BACK. YES. SO IT'S, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. MOTION TO APPROVE AS CONSTRUCTED AND WITH THE STIPULATION THAT, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, UH, FOLLOW STAFF GUIDELINES FOR THE, IF THEY PUT THEIR GARAGE DOORS IN, THAT THOSE GARAGE DOORS ADHERE TO STAFF GUIDELINE OR TO GUIDELINES AS DIRECTED BY STAFF. YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? I NEED TO CLARIFY. UM, WE HAD 11 VOICEMAILS THAT WERE IN SUPPORT AND WE HAD ONE IN OPPOSITION SUBMITTED BY THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO I JUST, IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN WE, CAN WE LISTEN TO IT? THANK YOU. COURT. WE'D HAVE TO LISTEN TO ALL OF THEM. DO WE WANT TO SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER 45 MINUTES LISTENING TO SUPPORT IF IT'LL HELP YOU MAKE THE DECISION. I'M ALL RIGHT WITH THAT. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE TABLE. SO HOW ABOUT WE VOTE ON THIS AND THEN IF NOT, WE'LL GO WITH THE VOICEMAILS. WELL, WELL, MR. CHAIR, LET ME JUST CLARIFY THAT MY, MY DECISION IS HEAVILY BASED ON VISITING THE SITE AND, AND UNDERSTANDING THE SITUATION. UM, UH, SO, UH, I I I VERY MUCH, UH, HONOR AND RESPECT, UH, UH, ANY, ANY COMMENTS FROM, FROM, FROM ANYONE? I, I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING WOULD CHANGE MY MIND. BUT IF YOU HAVE 11 THAT AGREE AND YOU HAVE ONE THAT DOESN'T, IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO LISTEN TO THE ONE THAT DOESN'T. LET'S LISTEN TO THAT ONE. I DON'T THINK THAT'D BE FAIR. MR. CHAIR? YES, MA'AM. WILL WE BE ALLOWED TO, IF YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN TO SAY ANYTHING AFTERWARDS, LIKE YES YOU CAN. I DON'T RECOMMEND BASED ON HOW THEY SUPPORT OR NOT REPORT WHAT PUBLIC COMMENTS YOU HEAR. I AGREE. I DON'T RECOMMEND YOU PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT PUBLIC COMMENTS YOU OPT TO HEAR. IF YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ONE, HEAR THEM ALL. IF YOU ALREADY KNOW HOW THEY STAND, THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. HOW THEY STAND. OKAY, SO WE WILL NOT HEAR THE VOICEMAILS. WE HAVE 11 IN FAVOR. ONE OPPOSED? AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. SENO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CEZ? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. MAY I SAY SOMETHING? UH, CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. UH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THOSE CLUSTER OF EVENTS, MISTAKES THAT HAPPEN. UH, THE MISTAKES WERE NOBODY'S FAULT. IT'S AN OVERWORKED STAFFED, BUT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS REALLY BOTHERS ME. IT'S THE FACT THAT [03:30:01] I WENT ON THE SITE VISIT. THEIR YARD IS PRIVATE. IT'S SURROUNDED BY A SIX FOOT PRIVACY FENCE. THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY CAN PEEP OVER THE FENCE AND CAUSE THESE PEOPLE GRIEF IS WEAPONIZING THE PROCESS. AND I'M OFFENDED BY THAT AND THAT WE MIGHT ACT IN THAT. BE ON THAT NOTION. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. I AGREE. I THINK THESE PEOPLE ARE, ARE FINE. I AGREE. I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO. CAN WE GO VIRTUAL TO ITEM 12 OR DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE? THE APPLICANT IS VIRTUAL. CAN WE CONNECT WITH HIM? UM, WE WILL HAVE TO CALL HIM JUST LIKE WE DID. UM, WELL THEN, UH, YOU ITEM 13? YES SIR. LET'S HEAR ITEM 13. WHILE Y'ALL CONTACT, WE'LL PREPARE. SO JOHN WILLIAMS, IF YOU'RE WATCHING, WE'RE GONNA CALL YOUR, UM, CELL. AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT YOU ON SPEAKER IN THE ROOM THIS WAY. THANK YOU SCOTT. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME. I KNOW A LOT, A LOT TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C. CASE NUMBER 2 20 23 DASH 1 7 1 16 WEST SATCH. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE EXISTING COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF WITH RIDGE CAP METAL ROOF. TWO, REPLACE EXISTING ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS WITH COMPOSITE WINDOWS IN THIS CASE, ANDERSON 400 WOOD, RIGHT DOUBLE HUNG THREE, MODIFY FENESTRATION ON THE WEST AND SOUTH ELEVATIONS OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN THE WEST, SOUTH, AND EAST ELEVATIONS OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. FOUR. INSTALL PRIVACY FENCE IN THE FRONT SIDES AND REAR BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT FEET. FIVE. REPLACE EXISTING TANDEM DRIVEWAY WITH TWO SEPARATE R DRIVEWAYS. SIX, REMOVE AND RELOCATE THE FRONT PORCH STAIRS. SEVEN, REMOVE AND RELOCATE EXISTING FULL WIDTH CONCRETE SIDEWALK. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVALS OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GAL LOOM FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. AND ONSITE INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIALS MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. ALL CHIMNEY, FLU AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED. AND TWO, THAT THE PRIVACY FENCE NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS FIVE AND SIX, REMOVING AND RELOCATING THE FRONT PORCH, STAIRS AND FRONT WALKWAY BASED ON FINDINGS AGE. THE APPLICANT BEN BOWMAN IS HERE IN PERSON. AND WE HAVE THREE LETTERS FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW BEFORE YOU START MR. BOWMAN CLARIFICATION. SO FIVE AND SIX, YOU DO NOT, THERE'S A MINOR TYPO. UM, I BELIEVE THAT STAFF MEANS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ONE THROUGH FIVE AND NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR SIX AND SEVEN. THAT'S TRUE. WE, THE NUMBERING KEPT CHANGING. SO THAT'S RIGHT. THE LAST TWO ITEMS WE GROUPED TOGETHER BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING. OKAY. THE TWO THAT ARE NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF ARE REMOVE AND RELOCATE THE FRONT PORCH STEPS AND REMOVE AND RELOCATE EXISTING FULL WIDTH CONCRETE SIDEWALK. AND IF I MAY, I'VE BROUGHT, UH, PRESENTATION THAT USES EXACTLY THE SAME CONTENT IN A DIFFERENT ORDER TO REALLY FOCUS OUR CONVERSATION ON WHAT I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL FEEL LIKE WE DEFINITELY MUST TALK ABOUT, WHICH I THINK WILL HELP EXPEDITE BOTH MY PRESENTATION AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE INEVITABLY GONNA COME UP. IF IT'S OKAY. UM, AND, AND I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY QUICK AND CAN I CONTROL THAT WITH THIS ARROW UNFORTUNATELY, CAN I JUST ASK YOU FOR SLIDE? I'LL JUST THANK YOU. [03:35:11] FANTASTIC. A QUICK ORIENTATION SLIDE. WE'RE LOCATED IN MONTE VISTA ON ATCH SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE HOUSE. THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE AND INTERIOR WERE MODIFIED SUBSTANTIALLY IN WE BELIEVE THE SEVENTIES, WHICH IS ABOUT 50 YEARS AGO. UH, THE KITCHEN IMAGE IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A LOT OF THOSE CHOICES THAT THEY MADE, AND I THINK MUCH OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CORRECTIVE ACTION TO MEASURES THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED TODAY TO THIS HISTORIC HOME. UH, SOME OF THE HISTORIC CHARACTER HAS BEEN MAINTAINED, SOME HAS BEEN STRIPPED, AND WE ABSOLUTELY INTEND TO MAKE THE MOST OF EVERYTHING THAT WE STILL HAVE LEFT AND ADD TO THAT IN A REALLY SENSITIVE WAY. UM, SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS A QUICK STUDY OF OUR CONTEXT. WE CAN COME BACK. THESE HOUSES ARE LARGELY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S ONE RICHARD MOGAS HOUSE NUMBER E WHICH IS REAL INTERESTING, TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM US. UH, SLIDE PLEASE. THE NARRATIVE YOU HAVE SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION SLIDE PLEASE. WE ACQUIESCE TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE STIPULATIONS ON ITEM ONE TO FIVE. WE ARE PREPARED TO ACCEPT THAT. UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN, ADDRESSING THE FRONT PORCH THERE. SLIDE PLEASE. UH, I THINK ALL THREE OF OUR LETTERS WERE IN SUPPORT. WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT THESE ARE OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING HOME CONDITION. SO SUBJECT PROPERTIES ON THE LEFT NEIGHBORS ON THE RIGHT. UM, TO ME IT'S QUITE ODD BECAUSE THIS PORCH WAS MODIFIED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THAT 1970S RENOVATION. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE UNDER THE SKIRT, YOU CAN TELL THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN STRIPPED. IT'S ON A PIECE OF PLYWOOD. I THINK THERE'S ONE PIECE OF TAR PAPER, THEN A MASONRY TIE, AND THEN THE ROCK'S RIGHT ON THE TAR PAPER. SO THEY DID SUCH AN INVASIVE RENOVATION BACK THEN THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW FOR SURE WHICH PORCH ORIENTATION THAT WAS. UM, ALSO, IT'S ODD BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SIDE FACING PORCH. IT WAS A HISTORICAL CONDITION, BUT IF YOU LOOK CLOSER AT ALL OF THOSE, THEY ALL RELATE TO SOME ACCESS RELATED ISSUE. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'VE GOT A SIDE ENTRY PORCH FROM THE WEST, AND THE DRIVE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO IN ORDER TO CIRCUMNAVIGATE THAT IT, I'VE NEVER SEEN A SIMILAR CONDITION SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS A QUICK STUDY OF WHAT THOSE TWO CONDITIONS MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS PROPOSED IS WHAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED IN THE DESIGN PACKAGE ON THE LEFT. I TOOK A QUICK STAB AT DRAWING IT ON THE RIGHT. THAT'S AN EXTRAPOLATION OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE MAJOR ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE HAVE OVER 30 INCHES OF GRADE CHANGE. WE HAVE A SAFETY REQUIRED HANDRAIL CONDITION. AND WHAT WE REALLY CARE ABOUT WHY MY CH FAMILY WITH TWO YOUNG KIDS CHOOSES TO LIVE IN MONTE VISTA IS BECAUSE THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ALL ABOUT INTERACTING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND WE WALK EVERY NIGHT AND THAT'S HOW WE GET TO BE PART OF THE FABRIC AND TO OPEN THAT PORCH UP AS MUCH AS WE CAN, I THINK HELPS BUILD COMMUNITY. AND I THINK FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, IT'S ALSO APPROPRIATE. SLIDE PLEASE. UH, WE DID A QUICK STUDY. IF YOU LOOK CLOSER INTO THIS, ABOUT THREE OUTTA FOUR PORCHES ON THIS THREE BLOCK STRETCH. OUR SITE'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THREE BLOCK BLOCK STRETCH, WE STUDIED THREE OUTTA FOUR ALL DIRECTLY FACE THE STREET YOU ENTER INTO THE PORCH HEAD ON. THERE ARE NINE EXAMPLES THAT DON'T, BUT ALL OF THOSE DO RELATE TO THE ACCESS CONDITION. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE PREDOMINANT LANGUAGE AND ORIENTATION TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AS EXISTING IN THIS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD SLIDE. PLEASE. UH, AND WE CAN JUST SKIP ALL THIS. UM, AND SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS PROPOSAL THAN THIS. UM, BUT TO CIRCLE BACK, WE AGREE WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FRONT PORCH ORIENTATION MODIFICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT PUBLIC, I'M SORRY, S I MEAN THE FRONT SIDEWALK IS YOU'RE JUST MODIFYING IT BECAUSE THEN YOU, BECAUSE OF YOUR MODIFYING. IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT? IS THERE A CHANGE IN MATERIAL DESIGN? ANYTHING? NO, WHAT WE'VE DRAWN IS A BROKEN SIDEWALK SO WE CAN DECREASE OUR PERVIOUS COVER A LITTLE BIT. I'M NOT WED TO THAT. I DO THINK IT'S NICE WHEN YOU GET THE LANDSCAPING RIGHT. UM, BUT I'M NEGOTIABLE ON THAT. IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE, UM, THE SLIDE WITH THE THREE BLOCKS THAT SHOWS WE'VE JUST PICKED THREE REPRESENTATIVE STUDIES THAT SHOW EXACTLY THE SAME BUILDING MASSING AS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. IT'S A PRIMARY BUILDING VOLUME WITH A HIP PORCH TO THE LEFT WITH A DIRECT ACCESS FROM THE STREET. AND OUR SIDEWALK WOULD DO THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? WELL, I JUST WANNA, DID YOU SAY THAT IT WAS A RICHARD MOGAS HOUSE? MOGAS HOUSE? UM, NOT THE ONE WE'RE PROPOSING, BUT TWO HOUSES DOWN THERE WAS A, A VERY NOTEWORTHY, UM, RENOVATION BY MOGAS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, STAFF ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, OH NO, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDATIONS. IT IS FINDINGS, UH, TO FOLLOW HISTORIC ALIGNMENT, CONFIGURATIONS AND WIDTH OF SIDEWALK. THE EXISTING SIDEWALK, FRONT PORCH [03:40:01] APPEAR TO BE HISTORIC CONDITIONS. UM, WHAT DO YOU, ARE YOU BASING THAT ON JUST ON, UM, EXPERIENCING IT, LOOKING AT IT? OR DO YOU HAVE SANBORNS, DO YOU HAVE OTHER DOCUMENTS TO SHOW THAT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN ANOTHER CONFIGURATION OR THAT THIS IS THE ONLY ONE HARDSCAPING, LIKE THIS ISN'T USUALLY INCLUDED ON SANBORN MAPS. THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE SIDEWALK CONTINUES PAST THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK, THE WALKWAY, UH, TO CONTINUE TO THE STREET. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UH, AN HISTORIC CONFIGURATION, UM, UNCLEAR IF IT'S ORIGINAL AND THE SIDEWALK AND SIDEWALK MATERIAL APPEAR TO BE, UM, CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THE HOUSE PER PERHAPS IT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE OLD CONCRETE. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS EXCLUDING THE PORCH CONFIGURATION AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT. I'LL SECOND AND WILL. AND AND TO CLARIFY, DOES THAT SUPPORT ORIENTING THE PORCH TOWARDS THE STREET? THE YES, THAT'S THE PORCH. EVERYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS THE PORCH IN THE SIDEWALK, YES. REMAR ALL PORCH. YES. AND THE SECOND CONCURS? YES. YES. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. YOU, I'M SORRY, I I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING MAYBE I, I JUST LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO DO IT FAST. I THINK THAT MOST OF THE WALKWAYS ARE ONE STRIP JUST ON THAT BLOCK. MAYBE I I THINK YOU GOT THE KNOWLEDGE OR GOT THE KIND OF THE CHASED. CAN YOU JUST LOOK AT WHAT WALKWAYS, HOW THE WALKWAYS ARE IN THAT BLOCK, AND IF THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO USE THE SAME TYPE OF WALKWAY THAT THE REST OF THE BLOCK HAS? YES. THE, UM, WELL, AN IN, I'M SORRY. THIS IS AN INTERESTING POINT OF MINUTIA. SO I BELIEVE THE MOGA HOUSE HAS GOT A BROKEN PAVEMENT. OKAY. WHICH IS NOT THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION. I THINK OFTENTIMES I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND DOING AN OLD HOUSE, YOU KIND OF PICK AT WHAT YOU CAN TO IMPROVE ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT BREAKING THE SIDEWALK IS MARGINAL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT IT DOES ALLOW CROSS FLOW, UM, OF LANDSCAPING WATER ACROSS THE FRONT YARD AND WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER MANAGE THAT. UM, BUT, BUT MOST OF THE BROKEN UP, IT'S VERY, VERY SMALL GAPS. SO IT ALMOST ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A CONTINUOUS, I WOULD JUST SAY LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING. YOUR DESIGN MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. WE'VE GOT ENOUGH FOR SHEET FLOW TO MIGRATE ACROSS THE FRONT YARD, AND THERE'S ENOUGH SLOPE THAT IN EXTREME RATE EVENTS THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT WOULDN'T ONLY AT PEAK DEMAND, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE NEED THE HELP. AND PERHAPS, WELL, I AGREE THAT THE, THE SIDEWALK SHOULD PROBABLY BE CONTINUOUS RATHER THAN SPLIT. UM, ESPECIALLY OUT BETWEEN THE, UH, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OUT TO THE CURB. I AGREE WITH THAT. WE WILL, UH, REPLACE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SIDEWALKS IN KIND ENTIRELY. UM, AS PART OF OUR PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE CURB LIKE IT IS. I WOULD LOVE TO MAINTAIN THE WATER MIGRATION IF WE CAN IN OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. UM, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MANY ISSUES AT PLAY HERE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, THE WORK YOU DID AND THE WAY YOU PRESENTED IT. IT WAS EASY TO UNDERSTAND, CONCISE AND TO THE POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. MR. ES? YES, BAKER? AYE. ZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AND WE WILL GO TO THE LAST IN-PERSON CASE BEFORE WE GO TO THE VIRTUALS AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 16, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023, UH, 0 3 1 5 10 EAST COURTLAND PLACE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 15 WOOD ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS, FOUR FIXED SQUARE WOOD WINDOWS, AND ONE LARGE NON-ORIGINAL PICTURE WINDOW WITH WHITE VINYL WINDOWS. TWO DEMOLISH THE ORIGINAL BRICK CHIMNEY. THREE, REMOVED THE NON-ORIGINAL BRICK FROM THE FRONT FACADE AND REPLACED THE NON-ORIGINAL BRICK AND ORIGINAL PROFILE. ONE 17 SIDING WITH NEW WOOD SIDING. FOUR REPLACED THE EXISTING CONCRETE FRONT PORCH AND PORCH COLUMNS. FIVE REPLACED THE EXISTING EXISTING FASCIA SOFFIT AND ROOF EAVE ELEMENTS AND SIX PERFORMED FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS ON THE NORTHEAST AND WEST FACADES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT OF 15 WOOD, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS FOR FIXED SQUARE WOOD WINDOWS AND ONE LARGE NON-ORIGINAL PICTURE WINDOW WITH WHITE VINYL WINDOWS. [03:45:01] IT'S NOTED IN FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING, UH, THAT SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS BE REINSTALLED TO MATCH THE PROFILE LOCATION AND CONFIGURATION OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS. THE LARGE PICTURE WINDOW MAY BE REPLACED, HOWEVER, THE FACADE SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE TWO GROUPED WINDOWS SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF SIX INCHES IN WIDTH. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO. THE REMOVAL OF THE ORIGINAL BRICK CHIMNEY BASED ON FINDING G STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CHIMNEY BE RECONSTRUCTED TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION. THE CHIMNEY DETAILS WILL BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING WITH NEW SIDING BASED ON FINDING H STAFF DOES FIND THE REMOVAL OF NON-ORIGINAL FACADE MATERIALS WILL BE APPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, THE WHOLESALER REPLACEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL SIDING IS NOT RECOMMENDED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, THE FRONT PORCH REPLACEMENT, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION THE COLUMNS BEING INSTALLED THAT MATCHED THE REMOVE COLUMNS AND PROFILE STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL FASCIA SOFTEN AND ROOF V ELEMENTS BASED ON FINDING, J STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL ROOFING ELEMENTS BE RETURNED TO THEIR ORIGINAL PROFILES. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ITEM SIX, FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING THAT ALL ORIGINAL WINDOW OPENINGS BE RETURNED TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS AND PROFILES THAT TEMPORARILY SIZE FIXED WINDOWS BE REMOVED, THAT ALL FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING REAR ADDITION BE DONE IN KEEPING WITH THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURES FENESTRATION PATTERN. AND THAT WOULD WINDOWS BE INSTALLED AND THAT MODIFIED FIXED WINDOWS ON THE FRONT FACADE BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE TWO GROUP WINDOWS SEPARATED BY A MILLION OF SIX INCHES. UH, TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS, THE APPLICANT MUST SUPPLY DRAWINGS, NOTING, NOTING CONDITIONS PRIOR TO WORK. BEGINNING STAFF IS PREPARED TO ENTER A COMPLIANT COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER. THAT INCLUDES DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS AND MILESTONES FOR COMPLIANCE. UH, THE APPLICANT'S HERE IN PERSON, UH, BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND MYSELF HAVE, UH, DISCUSSED A LOT OF THESE AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT, UH, OR HAS A PLAN TO CORRECT A LOT OF THESE. SO I'LL LET YOU COVER THAT. UM, AND, UM, IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT CAN BE RESOLVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THE SOLID MAJORITY OF THIS. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ME OUT HERE. I, I, I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, SO I WAS NOT AWARE OF, OF THE HISTORICAL PROCESS I THOUGHT I WAS DOING RIGHT. WE PULLED EVERY PERMIT IMAGINABLE, UH, TURNING WHAT USED TO BE A BAR BACK INTO A HOUSE. UM, SO WE'VE LEARNED A LOT ALONG THE WAY. AND THEN WHEN WE WERE TOLD TO STOP, WE'VE SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOOD UNTIL WE REALIZED THAT WE REALLY WEREN'T. UM, BUT I, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING THAT THIS IS A HOME I'M GONNA LIVE IN, THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M JUST GOING TO TURN A QUICK BUCK ON OR, OR, OR FLIP OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING FROM MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. A LOT OF THE ORIGINAL FENESTRATION WAS BASED OFF THE FACT THAT IT WAS A BUSINESS AT ONE TIME. THE, THE BIG WINDOW IN THE FRONT, UH, KIND OF A BAY LOOKING WINDOW, UH, WINDOW PLACEMENT THAT WAS SET UP MORE FOR THINGS THAT WORKED ON THE INTERIOR, NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE. UM, AS, AND, AND I'M SORRY IF I'M KIND OF JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE. THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS JUST SAID, AND I WOULD SAY 90% OF IT WE'RE IN TOTAL AGREEANCE. AND WE CAN PUT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS. UM, THE, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT WAS PUT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THAT ELS ON A, ON A CONCRETE SLAB. THE FRONT PORTION OF THE HOUSE WAS PIER AND BEAM AND WAS OFF BY NINE INCHES FROM THE BACK. SO THE MOVEMENT OF THAT ONE WAS TURNED DOWN BY MANY FOUNDATION COMPANIES. AND WHEN WE FINALLY FOUND ONE THAT AGREED TO IT, UM, IT, IT WREAKED HAVOC ON WHAT WAS ALREADY OLD SIDING. AND WE STARTED TO, UH, I THINK THERE'S A SLIDE IN HERE THAT SHOWS SOME OF THE CONDITION THAT THE, THE SIDING WAS IN THE FOUNDATION AS WELL AS THE SIDING. IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE BACK THERE, I MEAN THE SIDING, WHEN YOU WOULD PULL ON IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BREAK APART. WE DID ATTEMPT TO MOVE SOME OF IT TO DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT WITH THAT MUCH MOVEMENT, YOU WOULD LOOK DOWN THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THERE WAS JUST THIS WAVE OF, OF SIDING. SO NOT KNOWING ANY BETTER, WE REPLACED IT. NOW WE DID REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING IN AN IDENTICAL PROFILE TO WHAT WAS THERE. UH, BUT, BUT IT IS NEW. WE SALVAGED A LITTLE BIT OF IT. SOME OF IT IS ON CERTAIN AREAS OF THE HOUSE, BUT, SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE DID THAT. IT WAS NOT A, A DECISION JUST BASED OFF OF LET'S DO WHATEVER WE LIKE. WE, WE TRIED TO REPLACE IT IN KIND AS AS WE WERE TOLD. UM, THE, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS SOME OF THE OTHER ONES? WE, WE HAD ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED A, A, A PHOTO OF WHAT THE FINAL RENDERING OF THE HOME WOULD LOOK LIKE AND, UH, ON OUR ORIGINAL, UH, C O A, UM, AND WE RECEIVED APPROVAL, HOWEVER, I DIDN'T READ IT PROPERLY, DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE COLOR, NOT THE CEDAR POSTS [03:50:01] AND THE STAIN THAT WE HAD PUT ON THERE. SO READING APPROVAL, WE WENT AHEAD AND DID THE WORK. UH, BUT AS I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. HALL, I, I HAVE NO ISSUE. I'M NOT MARRIED TO THAT LOOK OF THE CEDAR POSTS. WE CAN PUT THE ORIGINAL POSTS BACK AND, AND SOME OF THE, UH, DECORATIVE WORK THAT GOES THERE, UM, ON THE CHIMNEY, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD IT BEFORE US, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PHOTOS, THE, UH, TOP SMOKESTACK DIDN'T EVEN PROTRUDE THROUGH THE ROOF AND THEN THEY COVERED THE INSIDE OF IT. SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THERE FOR SHOW EXTERNALLY. WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THE FOUNDATION, THE FOUNDATION COMPANY TOLD US SOMEONE HAD BROKEN PIECES OF THE BASE TO MOVE PLUMBING LINES THROUGH THERE. I MEAN, WHEN THIS HAPPENED, I, I, I HAVE NO IDEA. WHEN I LOOK UP BUILDING PERMITS, IT ONLY SHOWS LITTLE THINGS, UH, AT LEAST FROM MY LOGIN. SO WHEN WE TOOK THE WALL OFF, THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF IT. AND THE CHIMNEY ITSELF WAS STARTING TO LEAN AGAINST THE HOUSE. I THINK THERE'S A PHOTO IN HERE THAT SHOWS THE, IT WAS AT ABOUT A 10% LEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE, HOW IT WAS STARTING TO LEAN TOWARDS THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. AND SO WHEN WE STARTED TO ADJUST THAT, IT ACTUALLY BROKE AND FELL PIECES OF IT. SO WE WOUND UP JUST REMOVING IT, THINKING THAT WE COULDN'T REPAIR IT AT THE TIME. NOW I KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS STOPPED WORK, COME TALK TO THE BOARD HERE AND SEE, SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAD. UM, LIKE I SAID, AT THE TIME, I JUST WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY COME, PULLED MANY PERMITS. AND WHEN YOU DO, SO IF SOMETHING HAS TO GET REVIEWED, THEY'LL LET YOU KNOW, AND THEY DON'T LET YOU PULL THAT PERMIT. AND WE HAD BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS A FEW TIMES, SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE. AND LIKE I SAID, FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE ON THAT. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME WORKING ON A HISTORIC HOME. UH, BUT WE AGREE WITH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE PANEL IS ASKING FOR. UH, I WAS TALKING TO MR. HALL ABOUT THAT. THE, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD ASK, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE VINYL WINDOWS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE OF A COMPOSITE. UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILT FOR, UH, OLDER HOMES. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SEE IS IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME COMPROMISE ON THIS, ONLY BECAUSE I'M, I'M $140,000 INTO THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS 50,000 OVER BUDGET, AND I'M NOWHERE NEAR DONE. AND TRUTH BE TOLD, AND AS I WAS TRYING TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH MR. HALL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN FINISH AT THIS POINT. SO I'M, I'M, I'M REALLY TRYING TO COME UP WITH, WITH A SOLUTION, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH MORE LENDING TO, TO, TO FINISH THIS UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO WHAT I WAS ASKING, WE CAN PUT A CHIMNEY BACK. WE CAN, WE CAN GET IT BACK TO AS COMPLIANT AS POSSIBLE. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SEE IS IF WE COULD AT LEAST KEEP IT AS CONSTRUCTED AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE AND STILL PUT BACK THE ORIGINAL SCREENS, WHICH WE DO HAVE. THERE'S A PICTURE IN HERE OF WHAT THOSE SCREENS LOOK LIKE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE'S IN THERE. YEAH. UM, I'M GONNA PULL A PICTURE FOR SOME REASON, REASON, UM, JPEG PHOTOS ARE WANTING TO OPEN IN MICROSOFT ON THIS COMPUTER, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY. SO GIMME TWO SECONDS. I'M GONNA PULL 'EM UP. SURE. AND, AND THE REASON I'M SAYING IS BECAUSE WHEN THE SCREENS ARE INSTALLED, IT MASKS ANY VISION OF WHAT WINDOW IS BEHIND IT. UH, IT, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE THEM AT ALL. UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL SCREENS. UM, AND THEN THE ONLY REASON WE REALLY DID ANY CHANGES TO THE SOFFITS WERE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL HOME HAD ONE TYPE OF SOFFIT. THE ADDITION HAD THE TYPE THAT WE'RE NOW INSTALLING. SO WE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WAS THE RIGHT WAY OR THE WRONG WAY. AND WHEN WE READ IN KIND, WE FIGURED WELL JUST DON'T CHANGE WHAT'S THERE. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WE HAVE THOSE SCREENS NOW. SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE REHABBED A BIT, BUT WE WERE GONNA GO BACK TO THAT LOOK RIGHT THERE. AND THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WILL PRETTY MUCH MASK WHATEVER WINDOW MIGHT BE BEHIND IT, BUT ALSO KEEP THE, THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE ORIGINAL HOME, UM, IN THE, NOT TO CUT A COMMISSIONER OFF OR ANYTHING, BUT IN THE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO KEEP US ROLLING, UM, I CAN PULL UP STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. UH, WALK THROUGH EACH OF THESE SO WE CAN PUT THE WINDOWS TO THE SIDE. THE APPLICANT'S NOTED THAT HE HAS NO ISSUE RECONSTRUCTING THE CHIMNEY TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION. UH, THIS WOULD BE THE, THE, THE ACTUAL FORM OF THE CHIMNEY ITSELF TO STOP BELOW THE ROOF LINE STAFF IS APPRO FINDING THAT TO BE APPROPRIATE. UH, THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING, UH, HAS BEEN REPLACED, BUT IT HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH THE PROFILE ONE 17. UM, IN THE EVENT THAT ORIGINAL SIDING WAS BEYOND REPAIR, RE REPLACING IT IN, IN KIND WITH THE MATCHING PROFILE WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. WHAT'S BEEN DONE HAS BEEN DONE, BUT STAFF FINDS THE PROFILE TO BE APPROPRIATE. THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT HE CAN REINSTALL THE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS THAT [03:55:01] WERE ON THE ORIGINAL PORCH COLUMNS. UM, I WILL OPEN A PHOTO OF THIS NOW, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN GET AN IDEA. THE COLUMNS VARIED IN PROFILE. UM, ARE THESE THE ORIGINAL COLUMNS THAT WERE ON THE HOUSE? NO, THE PORCH HAS BEEN MODIFIED. IT'S NOT ORIGINAL, BUT THIS IS AN ELEMENT THAT WAS THERE EXISTING AND THOSE ELEMENTS ARE HISTORIC IN SOME SENSE TO SOME STRUCTURE. UM, NUMBER FOUR, UM, WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE FRONT PORCH WITH THE COLUMN ELEMENT. UM, THE FASCIA SOFFIT AND ROOF EVES. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANTS NOTED THAT, UM, YOU BELIEVE THAT THE NEW FACE SOFFIT ACTUALLY COVER UP SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ELEMENTS, CORRECT. AND THAT, THAT THOSE PROFILES CAN BE RETURNED. UM, AS FAR AS FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, UM, THE SOLID MAJORITY OF THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS ONE WINDOW HERE, HAVE BEEN DONE TO PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT AREN'T HIGHLY VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THAT ARE PARTS OF THE ADDITION. UH, STAFF HAS SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, PROFILE OR, UH, HISTORIC PROFILE THAT WOULD HAVE A SIX INCH MULIAN. UM, SO INSTEAD OF SIDING THE IN BETWEEN GROUPED WINDOWS, THERE WOULD BE A MILLION OF SIX INCHES. UM, SO GENERALLY I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS ARE WINDOW MATERIALS AND PROFILES IN A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS. UM, SO IN THE EVENT OF MOTION MAKING, UH, COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT, UM, ITEMS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE CERTAINLY, UH, CAN BE APPROVED AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT. AND THAT ITEMS ONE AND SIX, UH, MAY REQUIRE A SITE VISIT OR, UM, A ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. CAN I, MAY, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. SO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REBUILD A CHIMNEY THAT WAS UNSERVICEABLE AND HAD ALREADY BEEN MODIFIED FROM ITS HISTORICAL STATE, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THE CHIMNEY AS IT CURRENT, OR IS IT PREVIOUSLY EXISTED? NO LONGER. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THE TABLE HERE. AND THEN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THE, THE NEW SIGHTING THAT'S IN PLACE, OR LEAVE IT AS IT IS. LEAVE IT AS IT IS. WE'RE NOTING FOR THE RECORD THAT THE, THE REPLACEMENT OF SIDING WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF. HOWEVER, WITH THAT WORK BEING DONE, THE APPLICANT REPLACING THE SIDING IN KIND WITH THE MATCHING PROFILE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES SHOULD THE ORIGINAL SIDING HAVE BEEN BEYOND REPAIR. SO WE'RE FINDING WHAT THE APPLICANT'S DONE TO BE OKAY, BUT NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES OR THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AS FAR AS THE PROCESS OF DETERMINING IF THE ORIGINAL WAS BEYOND REPAIR. OKAY. AND THEN IN BETWEEN THE WINDOWS WE'RE JUST GONNA BUILD, I SAY WE, YOU THE APPLICANT IS GONNA BUILD UP LIKE ON TOP OF THE SIDING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS. YES, SIR. OKAY. SO THERE'S NO DEMO OF WORK OTHER THAN THE COLUMNS ON THE FRONT PORCH, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. AND ESSENTIALLY, UM, NOW THE, THERE ARE A FEW WINDOW PROFILES THAT, UM, LIKE I'LL, UH, SHOW, UM, SORRY. UM, THERE'S A SKINNY RECTANGULAR WINDOW THAT'S BEEN ADDED INTO A PORTION OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT STAFF AND THE GUIDELINES WOULD RECOMMEND. UM, LEMME PUT IT THIS WAY. EVERYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WINDOW OPENINGS, THE APPLICANT IN THEORY SHOULD NOT NEED TO DEMOLISH ANYTHING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COLUMNS. UM, THERE WOULD BE SOME ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE ADDED BACK OR FASCIA OR SOFFIT BOARD THAT'S REMOVED, BUT THERE'S NOT ANY STRUCTURAL MODIFICATIONS. CHAIRMAN, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FIRST, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, SO THE, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS THAT ARE PRESENT THERE DIMENSIONALLY, DO THEY MEET THE GUIDELINES? UH, SEPARATE FROM MATERIALITY, BUT FROM, FOR, FROM THE, UH, DIMENSIONAL STANDPOINT? IF YOU, IF YOU ADD THE TRIM ON THERE, WILL YOU HAVE THE KIND OF, I I DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS TO SAY, UM, IT BY LOOKING AT A PHOTO, THEY'RE CERTAINLY A LOT CLOSER THAN A LOT OF WINDOWS WE SEE. RIGHT. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN A, A SECTION, SO IF I SAID YES, I COULD BE WRONG IF I SAID NO, I COULD BE WRONG. I'M NOT FOR SURE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA POINT OUT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, UNLIKE VINYL WINDOWS THAT DON'T, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE FROM THEIR MAT MATERIALITY, THEY JUST DIMENSIONALLY DO NOT CUT, UH, CUT MUSTARD. BUT, UM, THESE COMPOSITE WINDOWS GET A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THAT. AND I THINK WITH THE, UM, PROPOSAL TO ADD THE SCREENS [04:00:01] ON THERE AND TO, UH, ADD THE ADDITIONAL TRIM, THE MOLD, UH, MUL MOLD TRIM BETWEEN PAIRS, I THINK YOU GET PRETTY FAR WITH WHAT HE'S HAD HAS IN PLACE HERE. OTHER QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT. OKAY, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT. UM, I MOVE FOR APPROVALS OF ITEMS, UH, TWO THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS FOR ITEM ONE. UM, AND THE, UM, CURRENT EXISTING FENESTRATION PATTERN FOR ITEM SIX. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BAKER? UM, FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANNA SAY I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO REBUILD THE CHI, THE, THE IMPARTIAL AND NON-FUNCTIONING CHIMNEY. AND THANK YOU. AND THE REASON THAT, UH, IT IS IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND IN THE MOTION IS THAT IT WAS A, EVEN THOUGH IT DID NOT PENETRATE THE ROOF, IT WAS A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE AND TOLD THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE THAT ORIGINALLY IT DID HAVE A FIREPLACE. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S INCLUDED. OKAY, UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MR. MR. CHAIR? YES. UH, I'M GONNA ECHO, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. UM, THERE, THERE, I MEAN, THERE'S AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY, RIGHT? TO THE FACT THAT, THAT IT'S GONE, BUT THEN EVEN UNCOVERING ITS SCENE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF QUASI OR, OR REAL DEMOLISHED CONDITION THAT IT WAS IN ALREADY SOMEHOW TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT IT WOULD, IT CREATES A REALLY F KIND OF A FALSE NARRATIVE AND, AND, AND BUILT OUT A BRICK. IT ALSO PUTS STRESS IN AN, IN, IN AN AREA THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD JUSTIFY THAT STRESS WOULD BE THAT IT WAS A FIREPLACE. UH, AND I'M WONDERING IF, IF THAT CAN BE ABSTRACTED, LIKE THEY CAN BE WOOD FRAMED AS OPPOSED TO, TO BRICK FRAMED AND THAT, AND THAT ITS NARRATIVE WOULD BE THAT HERE ONCE WAS A FIREPLACE, NOT THAT HERE HERE'S A FIREPLACE THAT SOMEONE TOOK APART BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN THAT ANYMORE. UM, AND THEN I WOULD LEAVE THAT FOR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ACCEPT THAT, UH, AS AN AMENDMENT TO MY OWN MOTION THAT, UM, FOR ITEM TWO, THAT THE ORIGINAL CHIMNEY DOES NOT NEED TO BE, UH, BUILT BACK IN BRICK, BUT THAT, UH, SOME KIND OF FRAME CHI CHIMNEY BE PUT IN PLACE JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE AUTHENTIC HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. WOULD THE COMMISSION FIND, UM, AS FAR AS MATERIALITY OF THAT, UH, SIMILAR MASONRY MATERIAL LIKE STUCCO OR, UH, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM A STAB STANDPOINT, YES. YES. WHERE TO, OKAY. YEAH, SIMILAR MATERIALS, STUCCO, SOME KIND OF LIGHT FRAME THING, AND YOU CAN PUT IN A, A PACKAGED UNIT THERE AND ACTUALLY HAVE A FUNCTIONAL FIREPLACE AND ANY OTHER, HOPEFULLY I'LL HAVE A SECOND ON THAT. A SECOND. A MOTION A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. SAV? AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. MIZUKI. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. OH, I'M SORRY. SHE HAS LEFT. CERVANTES. YES. BAKER. AYE. ZER. THANK YOU. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, AGENDA ITEM 12. DO WE HAVE THAT APPLICANT? YEP. WE'RE GETTING JOHN WILLIAMS ON THE PHONE. UM, WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT. ITEM 14 HAS BEEN POSTPONED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT. UM, SO THIS CASE FOLLOWED BY CASE 15 2 8 2 8 MISSION, WE'RE LOSING OUR QUORUM. YOU WANNA RECESS CHAIR? FIVE MINUTES. NOW WE'RE GONNA TAKE TURNS AND WE'RE GONNA KEEP GOING IT LOOKS LIKE. OKAY. LET'S KEEP OUR QUORUM. ITEM 12 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 3 2 19 31 NORTH IH 35. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH CATTLE PANEL FENCE WITH WOOD POSTS AND RAILS. REPLACE SOD WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF AND LIME WASH THE BRICK ON THE FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, REPLACING THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A CATTLE PANEL FENCE WITH WOOD POSTS AND RAILS BASED [04:05:01] ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE FENCE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET AT ANY PORTION, PORTION OF THE FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACING SOD WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF BASED ON FINDING C. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF ITEM THREE, LIME WASHING THE BRICK ON THE FRONT AND SIDE ELEVATIONS BASED ON FINDING D. AND WE HAVE THE OWNER JOHN WILLIAMS ON THE LINE. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK. YES, JOHN IS HERE. I'M HERE. YES, SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN YOUR, UH, REQUEST? YEAH, GOOD EVENING GUYS. HOPEFULLY THIS CAN BE, UH, FAIRLY SHORT. UH, I'M OVER THERE IN THE GOVERNMENT HILL DISTRICT. UH, I'M NOT, UH, A LONG TENURED RESIDENT LIKE, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHERS THAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT, BUT I WAS A, A MEMBER OF THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT AT FIRE STATION FIVE, UH, RIGHT THERE ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY. UH, WE CALLED OURSELVES GOVERNMENT HILL, UH, THERE, UH, ON, UH, MASON. UH, NONETHELESS, UH, WITH THIS HOUSE, ALL I'M LOOKING TO DO IS JUST, UH, KIND OF, UH, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, UH, WITH A LIME WASH, YOU KNOW, A LIGHTER COLOR TO THE THREE SIDES. THE FRONT, UH, LEFT AND RIGHT. THE BACK IS ALREADY A WHITE PANEL COLORED. UH, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD AN UPDATED, UH, CATTLE PANEL FENCE THAT THE SAME AREA WHERE THE CURRENT CHAIN LINK FENCE IS. IT, IT'S ON, UH, UH, TWO SIDES. UH, SO THE SIDE WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND THEN ALONG THE, UH, EAST SIDE OR TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE THE HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE, UH, THE FENCE THAT BACKS UP TO ME, UH, THE NEIGHBOR THERE IS A CATTLE PANEL FENCE. AND THE FENCE TO THE LEFT OF ME IS JUST A WOOD PANEL FENCE. UH, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE 48 INCHES HIGH. UH, IT'LL HAVE A SWING GATE, UH, IN THE BACKYARD WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AT. UH, SO NOTHING TOO OUTSTANDING WITH THAT. UH, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPING, UH, I DID ORIGINALLY PUT, UH, FOR ARTIFICIAL GRASS. UH, I'VE KIND OF VEERED AWAY FROM THAT. AND I'M LOOKING AT A, AT A ZERO ESCAPE, UH, TYPE, MAYBE SOME, UH, CRUSHED GRANITE, UH, OR SHADOW STONE, UH, IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE, UH, THE LAWN STILL, JUST TO TAKE IT DOWN WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, EASE OF, UH, MAINTENANCE, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, KIND OF DOING LIKE A LITTLE, UH, LIKE A CRUSHED GRANITE FIRE PIT AREA. NOTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUTSTANDING OR CRAZY, BUT SOMETHING THAT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE HOUSE MORE, UH, KIND OF, UH, HOMEY PLEASING, UH, UH, TO ME. UH, SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M LOOKING FOR. UH, THE BIGGEST DEAL I THINK, OR, OR I DON'T WANNA SAY PUSHBACK, BUT WHERE THE STAFF DIDN'T RECOMMEND THE, UH, UH, LIME WASH. UH, ALL THE RESEARCH I'VE DONE ON THAT IS NOTHING BUT, UH, POSITIVE FEEDBACK AS FAR AS ENVIRONMENT MAINTENANCE, UH, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. UH, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1984, SO WHILE IT'S THERE IN THE GOVERNMENT, HILL DISTRICT, UH, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CONSIDER IT, UH, HISTORICAL HOME. UH, NONETHELESS, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE, IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE ACCESS ROAD OF I 35. AND I THINK WITH THAT WHITE, UH, LIGHTER WHITE COLOR OR LIGHTER, I GUESS IT'LL PROBABLY LIGHTER, ORANGEISH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT. UH, KIND OF LIKE THIS STAIN WE'RE LOOKING OUT HERE. UH, I THINK IT'LL MAKE IT LOOK REAL, PRETTY AND INVITING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. YEP. HOLD ON. , I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST PARK CARSON IN GOVERNMENT HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. I'M CALLING ABOUT THE PROPERTY AT 9 31 INTERSTATE HIGHWAY 35 20 23 DASH THREE TWO. ITEM NUMBER 12, IT SUPPORTS THE O H P REQUESTING DENIAL OF LINE WASHING, THE LOVELY EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE. I SUPPORT THE O H P REQUESTING DENIAL OF TURF GRASS. THIS HOUSE HAS AN ESTABLISHED YARD, AND ARTIFICIAL TURF GRASS IS DEFINITELY NOT HISTORIC ON THE FENCE. I ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THE USE OF CATTLE PILOT PEDALS. THE APPROPRIATE FENCING WITH THIS STYLE FENCE IS THEN DOUBLE LOOP FENCE. PLEASE VOTE TO DENY WHITEWASH ARTIFICIAL TURF AND THE USE OF CATTLE PANELS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. WE ARE FIGHTING HARD IN DERMA HILL TO PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT. THANK YOU. GOODBYE. OKAY, UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. [04:10:01] CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE, UM, APPLICANT'S REQUESTS. SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? UM, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AND, AND SEEING THAT, THAT IT, IT, UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE IS OF THIS, UH, THIS HOUSE THAT IS, UH, DISRUPTED BY WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS REQUESTING AT, AT, AT LARGE. UM, I, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT I DON'T SEE HOW THE CATTLE FENCE IS MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE CYCLONE FENCE. AND PERHAPS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CYCLONE FENCE IS THAT IT'S POORLY DONE. BUT IF, UH, THERE IS A, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT APPROVES THAT CATTLE FENCE, THEN, THEN I THINK IT CHANGES THE RULES AS A WHOLE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS ASKING. AND, AND USING THAT AS A, AS A KIND OF THE GUIDE, I DON'T SEE HOW ANYTHING THAT HE'S ASKING IS INAPPROPRIATE. THE, UM, THE USE OF, UH, OF THE GRASS. UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN IT IN SOME PLACES USED, UH, IN, IN A SMART WAY. AND, UM, OF COURSE I'VE SEEN IT USED IN RARE CHEESY WAYS. IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW, WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GONNA BE HERE, BUT I MEAN, IT, IT, UM, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING THAT REALLY DISTURBS THIS ENVIRONMENT, UH, FROM WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS, UH, PRESENTING. MY COMMENTS. A QUESTION, MR. WILLIAMS. UM, YOU HAVE WITHDRAWN YOUR REQUEST FOR THE ASTROTURF AND LOOKING AT MORE OF A ZEROSCAPE LANDSCAPE FINISH? THAT'S CORRECT, YES. UH, AND SIMILAR TO PROBABLY THAT PICTURE THAT HAD THE, UH, UH, THE ARTIFICIAL GRASS IN IT. UH, I WOULD PROBABLY LEAVE THAT AS THE LAWN AND THEN JUST DO SOME STONE OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE CRUSH GRANITE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S VERY NEUTRAL ALONG THE FENCE LINE. AND THEN INTO KIND OF THE, WHERE THE LAWN WAS STILL KIND OF IN THE CENTER, UH, OF THE YARD, UH, BASICALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, FOR REASONS, IT'S, IT'S LESS WATER, UH, LESS MOWING. UH, AND, AND IT'S NOT THAT THAT BIG OF A YARD ANYHOW, BUT IT HAS A GREAT, UH, REAL GREAT OUTDOOR SPACE. UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FRONT YARD. UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DOWNTOWN SKYLINE, YOU KNOW, PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, JULY 4TH, DECEMBER 31ST, WATCH THE FIREWORKS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE FRONT LAWN, FRONT PORCH, WHATEVER. UH, SO JUST TRYING TO CREATE A NICE, UH, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING YARD, UH, THAT CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, MUCH TIME SPENT IN IT, UH, AS MUCH TIME SPENT IN IT AS POSSIBLE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? I GUESS I'M, UM, PROBABLY NOT GONNA VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION OR THE MOTION BECAUSE OF THE LINE WASH ON THE BRICK. UH, TRUE, IT'S NOT THE OLD HISTORIC, BUT 40 YEARS IS CONSIDERED HISTORIC IN SAN ANTONIO SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN 84. SO, UM, AND GENERALLY, UH, COATING THE MASONRY IS NOT RECOMMENDED. SO I AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. OTHER COMMENTS, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, UH, CONCUR WITH THAT AND, AND WE'LL ALSO NOT BE SUPPORTING JUST BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, UM, I, I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE, THE ZEROSCAPING APPROACH THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS, UH, SUGGESTED IT, BUT NOT, UM, ARTIFICIAL TURF. OKAY. HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. IS THERE A, I APOLOGIZE GUYS. IS THERE A, UH, JUST CURIOUS ON THE, UH, NEGATIVITY ON THE LINE WASHING. UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S Y'ALL TYPICALLY Y'ALL'S, UH, FEEDBACK OR REASONING, UH, FOR DENYING THAT? UM, TYPICALLY WE DON'T RECOMMEND LINE WASHING OR PAINTING OF MASONRY JUST BECAUSE IT, IT ENDS UP, UH, DAMAGING THE MASONRY IF SOMEONE THEN WANTS TO TRY TO REMOVE IT LATER. AND IT, IT'S JUST A CHANGE IN THE, IN THE HISTORIC, UH, CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE MASONRY MATERIAL. I UNDERSTAND. DID YOU, DID? I'M NOT SURE IF THE, UH, BULLET POINTS THAT I ATTACHED, UH, ON THE PROS OF, UH, LIME WASHING WERE, WERE ABLE TO BE REVIEWED. UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS HOUSE WORSE OR MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORSE. UH, I HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AS I SAID, I WORKED THERE FOR, UH, 10 YEARS, UH, AND CONSISTENTLY EXCITED TO, UH, POSSIBLY PURCHASE A HOUSE IN THE FUTURE THERE, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT BETTER. UH, BUT AUBREY, ONE OF THESE THINGS, ALL EIGHT BULLET POINTS SEEM ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE TO ME WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTENANCE, CLEANING, UH, THE, UH, [04:15:01] UH, ECO-FRIENDLY, UH, OPTIONS OF IT. UH, NONETHELESS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS JUST, I THINK AT SOME POINT POINT, THIS COULD GET TO A, A SPOT WHERE MAYBE Y'ALL REVISIT THIS AND SAY, HEY, THIS ISN'T SUCH A BAD IDEA. UH, UH, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, A HOUSE IS MEANT TO BE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA DO WITH THIS HOUSE AS LONG AS I OWN IT. UM, SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, THE LINE WASHING WENT AND, AND IN MY, I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR, UH, I DON'T HAVE EXPERIENCE. THIS WAS THE MOST, UH, EFFICIENT WAY THAT I FOUND. IF Y'ALL KNOW OF SOME WAY, I KNOW YOU SAID NOT PAINTING THE BRICK AS WELL, BUT IF YOU GUYS KNOW OF SOME OTHER WAY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHITEWASH OR WHATEVER THE COLOR OF THAT BRICK, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THAT'S THE COLOR I CHOSE, UH, BEFORE I PURCHASED THE HOUSE, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORICAL SIDE OF THINGS, EVEN TOOK PICTURES OF HOUSES IN DIFFERENT TOWNS, UH, THAT I KNEW I EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO LOOK LIKE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHITEWASHED OR LIME WASHED BRICK. UH, SO NONETHELESS, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT, UH, UH, LAST EFFORT OUT THERE TO SEE IF I COULD GET THAT APPROVED. YEAH. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON MY COMMENT, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND FOR THE SAKE OF EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC, LIME, LIME WASHING IS INFINITELY BETTER THAN PAINTING, UH, BECAUSE OF THE BREATHABILITY, BUT BOTH, UH, SUFFER FROM THE SAME PROBLEM WHEN THEY'RE, UH, WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO REVERSE THEM, IT RESULTS IN DAMAGE TO THE BRICK POTENTIALLY. AND THIS COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, JUST TO COMMENT ON THE BRICK, THE COLOR OR THE WAY THE BRICKS ARE DESIGNED, THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. THAT WAS, IT'S NOT DIRTY BRICK OR THEY DIDN'T FADE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE BUILD WAS TO MAKE THE BRICKS SPOTTED COLORED LIKE THAT. RIGHT. PERHAPS AN AMENDMENT. MR. COMMISSIONER MAZUA? SURE. I JUST HAD ANOTHER QUESTION UNDERNEATH THE, UH, LETTER TO JESSICA, YOU, I GUESS, WHICH IS, ARE YOUR BULLET POINTS, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF A, UM, OF A COPPER DOWNSPOUT AND A BRICK WALL THAT'S RED WITH SOME KIND OF PAINTING OVER IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU INTENDED TO DO WITH THE FRONT OR, I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT'S THERE. YES. OR, OR SIMILAR TO THAT? NOT NECESSARILY AS MANY OF THE, UH, UH, EXPOSURES, BUT, UH, LIKE I SAID, I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. I HAVE, I HAVE GOOD FRIENDS THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND ARE, AND ARE INTERESTED IN, IN HELPING ME. UH, BUT THAT, THAT SHADE OF COLOR, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, TO WHERE IT WAS JUST A, UH, I GUESS A DISTRESSED, YOU KNOW, ACID WASHED FOR, YOU KNOW, LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SAYING LIME WASHED OR WHITEWASHED, UH, TYPE OF BRICK. JUST TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER, I THINK THIS WAS JUST A SAMPLE PHOTO FOR THE, THE FINISH OF THE LIME WASH. THE COPPER IS JUST INCIDENTAL. OH YEAH. THE COPPER IS JUST AN ACCIDENT THAT, THAT'S A GOOGLE SEARCH. UH, UH, I'M NOT, THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE. IT'S JUST THE ONLY PICTURE I COULD FIND TO GIVE, UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE. YEAH, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY COPPER DOWN SPOUTS ON YOUR HOUSE, BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION. WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIS NAY VELASQUEZ AYE. BAZOOKA NAY CARPENTER, NAY CERVANTES, GUY BAKER. MAY I CLARIFY WHAT THE, THE MOTION WAS TO PROCEED WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? NO, THE MOTION WAS, THIS IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS, APPROVAL AS REQUESTED OF THE LIME WASH AND THE TURF HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND THE FENCE. OKAY. AYE. AND FED, SIR NAY, UM, MOTION FAILS NOW THE MOTION CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UH, DEFENSE REPLACEMENT AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. AND THE OTHER ITEMS, UH, DENIED. DENIED. YOU HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. WELL, MR. CHA JUST WANT TO SAY ABOUT THE, UM, BRICK, UM, THERE, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN DEVELOPERS ARE IN CHARGE OF CONSTRUCTION WHEN THEIR DEVELOPER HOUSES, AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU SEE A HOUSE LIKE THIS, IT'S, IT FALLS INTO THAT, INTO THAT LINE, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE ALUMINUM WINDOW THAT YOU SEE THERE. THE BRICK IS, IS TYPICALLY WHAT I FIND IN, IN A CIRCUMSTANCE, IN, IN THIS WAY. IT'S NOT REALLY A THOUGHTFUL MATERIAL. IT SOMETIMES IS THE CHEAPEST MATERIAL THEY HAVE AT THE TIME. AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GO TO A LUMBERYARD AND THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN SPECIES OF WOOD YOU'RE GONNA FIND, BUT, BUT THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO AND, [04:20:01] YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, WHAT HAPPENS IN, IN, IN, IN MODERNITY, RIGHT? WHERE YOU GO TO A PAINT STORE AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A MILLION COLORS AND SOMETIMES SOMEBODY SAYS, GIMME THE CHEAPEST PAINT THAT YOU'VE GOT, AND IT, IT, IT, I'M TRYING TO PUT THE BRICK DOWN, BUT IT BECOMES UNDESIRABLE. LIKE WHEN YOU SEE IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A GOOD FEELING. IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A PATTERN AND A MATERIAL THAT YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION IS. I, I, UM, FIRST THING I'M GONNA DO IS CHANGE THAT ONE, ONE WAY OR, OR HOWEVER. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT SHOULDN'T EXIST, IT'S JUST THAT WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THIS PERSON IS TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE TERMS OF SENSITIVITY, THE RESEARCH THAT HE'S DONE AND THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE LIME WASHED AND IT WOULD HAVE A BIT OF AN INCONSISTENCY, IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS, UH, AN, AN EFFORT TO PRESERVE THIS HOUSE. NOT TO ALTER IT, BUT TO, BUT TO DEAL WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY BE CONSEQUENTIAL TO IT, NOT NECESSARILY BEING A DESIGNER. HOUSE, IF YOU SEE IT'S A BOX, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT AS SIMPLE AS IT CAN GET. UM, I WOULD ASK, UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONER TO REALLY CONSIDER ENABLING THE, UM, THE WHITEWASHING OF THIS, UM, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS BRICK. UM, THOSE ARE MY ONLY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY. ZUKO. I REALLY NEED TO HEAR THE MOTION AGAIN. THE MOTION IS JUST FOR APPROVAL OF THE, UM, FENCE. SO THE LIME WASHING WOULD NOT BE APPROVED. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER? YES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 15. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 2 5 2 0 8 MISSION STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR FOOT WOOD PICKET FENCE AROUND THE FRONT YARD BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SIDEWALK, A SWINGING GATE FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND SIDEWALK, AND TO REPLACE THE FRONT LAWN WITH DECOMPOSED GRANITE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE FENCE NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN HEIGHT WHEN MEASURED AT ANY POINT. TWO, THAT THE FENCE BE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD BASED ON FINDING E THREE, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY GATE BE SET BACK BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOUSE BASED ON FINDING C. THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY GATE IS AN APPROXIMATE LOCATION AND CAN REMAIN WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL APPROVALS. THE PROPOSED FOREFOOT FENCE RETURN TO THE FRONT FACADE ALONG THE DRIVEWAY AND TERMINATE AT THE FRONT FACADE. FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES PLANTINGS INTO THE FRONT YARD DESIGNED TO PROVIDE AT LEAST 50% COVERAGE. THE OWNER, RUSSELL GRABO, AS OF THE PROPERTY IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. AND WE HAVE ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. RUSSELL, ARE YOU THERE? YES, YES SIR. GO AHEAD PLEASE. ALRIGHT. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. UM, WE ARE THE VICTIMS OF AN UNSCRUPULOUS CONTRACTOR. WE HIRED A LICENSED CONTRACTOR IN ORDER TO HAVE OUR YARD AND FENCE PROJECT COMPLETED LEGALLY, ACCORDING TO ALL REGULATIONS, WE HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE NEW HOMEOWNERS. THE CONTRACTOR LIED TO US SAYING HE HAD GOTTEN THE PERMITS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T GET THE STOP BUILD NOTICE ALERTING US THAT HE DIDN'T GO THROUGH APPROPRIATE CHANNELS UNTIL THE DAY AFTER WE PAID HIM FOR THE COMPLETED LANDSCAPING PROJECT. NOW WE FIND OUT THAT YOU WANT 50% GREEN SPACE. WE WOULD LOVE TO COMPLY, BUT WE HAVE $0 LEFT FOR THIS PROJECT. WHAT WE HAD DONE BEAUTIFIES THE AREA AND IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT TO THE SOD THAT WAS THERE AND WAS JUST CARELESSLY LAID ON TOP OF THE UNPREPARED GROUND CAUSING DRAINAGE [04:25:01] ISSUES. ALSO, I HAVE INCLUDED PHOTOS OF MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALMOST NO GRASS, AND I THINK OURS IS MUCH NICER THAN A DERELICT YARD. THE DECOMPOSED GRANITE THAT WE REPLACED IT WITH IS PERMEABLE. ALLOWING FOR PROPER DRAINAGE AND ABSORPTION INTO THE SOIL IS MY HOPE THAT YOU WILL HAVE MERCY AND GRANT US A WAIVER TO LEAVE THE LANDSCAPING AS IS. UM, AS PERTAINS TO THE DRIVEWAY GATE, I HAVE INCLUDED 11 PHOTOS OF PROPERTIES ON JUST MY SINGLE BLOCK THAT ALL HAVE THE EXACT FENCE LINE THAT WE WANNA PUT UP WITH THE GATE, DRIVEWAY GATE AT THE SIDEWALK. UM, SO IT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR SECURITY. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE A GATE AT THE SIDEWALK SO WE CAN SECURE OUR CAR INSIDE THE YARD. WE HAVE LIVED HERE FOR ONE MONTH AND THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A CAR STOLEN AND THE CAR VANDALIZED BOTH RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE. ALSO THE SIDEWALK ENDS AT OUR DRIVEWAY, SO IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC PATTERN AT ALL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS? NO, WE DO HAVE A LETTER ALSO. THE, UM, THE PHOTO EXAMPLES THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED IS ON THE, IS IN THE, UH, LATE EDITION FILE OR LATE MATERIALS. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. THIS IS COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, DISTRICT EIGHT C. CAN YOU NAME THE CONTRACTOR THAT DID THE WORK FOR YOU? BUSINESS NAME PLEASE. UH, RICHARD PEARSON SKY, SKY GENERAL CONTRACTING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANTED THAT FOR THE RECORD. MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. IN, IN THE INTEREST OF, OF, UH, TIME, I, IF IS IT POSSIBLE FOR STAFF TO PUT UP, UH, GOOGLE, UH, STREETS, MR. CHAIR ON QUICK, ON A QUICK, UM, SURVEY OF JUST THE, THE VISUAL, UH, STREET SCAPE, ALL THE PROPERTIES USED CREST GRANITE, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET. THERE ARE THESE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE GINGERBREAD FOUR FOOT FENCES MADE OUT WOOD. UM, TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION THE, THE COMMENTS OF THE APP, THE APPLICANT, UM, UM, E EVEN IF THE CONTRACTOR HAD COMPLETED IT, IT DOES SEEM THAT IT'S ALL WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THAT VERY ENVIRONMENT. UM, SO TO, TO MAKE A, MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN IN KIND WITH THE COMMUNITY THERE VERSUS THAT EVERYBODY WHO DOES SOMETHING IS GONNA HAVE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT UPGRADES THAT ENTIRE AREA OUTSIDE OF WHAT EXISTS. SO HE'S REALLY KEEPING WITHIN WHAT EXISTS. BUT THE GOOGLE, THE GOOGLE DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, A COUPLE OF HOUSES THIS WAY, DRIVE DOWN THE STREET A COUPLE HOUSES THAT WAY AND TURN AROUND MY MINE SHOWING GRANITE IN ALMOST EVERY HOUSE, ENTIRE FRONTS. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. UM, THIS QUESTION'S FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU, YOU, THIS IS A VIOLATION CASE OBVIOUSLY, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW, UNSCRUPULOUS, UM, CONTRACTOR, BUT YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOME GRACE HERE AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, GRANITE YARD. I I THINK STAFF IS SHOWING YOU SOME GRACE HERE WHERE, UM, THEY'RE ASKING THAT YOU, UM, THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO TEAR IT ALL UP, BUT THIS ASK THAT YOU, UM, PROVIDE AT LEAST 50%, UM, COVERAGE FOR PLANTING. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR YOU TO DO THAT? UM, WELL, 50%, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HALF THE YARD. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST FOR ALL THE PLANT MATERIAL. WE DON'T HAVE IT. UM, YES ON CASES LIKE SIMILAR TO THIS, UM, WHERE THERE IS A DIRECTIVE FROM THE COMMISSION TO REMOVE SOMETHING AND REPLACE, UH, GENERALLY THERE CAN BE AN AGREEMENT, UH, BETWEEN O H P STAFF AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH A, UH, A REASONABLE, UH, GRACE PERIOD, UH, TO ALLOW THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS [04:30:01] TO, UH, ACQUIRE THE FUNDS FOR THE, TO BRING IT UP TO COMPLIANCE. AND THERE'S, IF I, IF I MAY, SIR. YES SIR. THERE'S ALSO, SIR, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, POTTED PLANTS, YOU CAN PUT BUSHES, LINES, SOME SHRUBBERY, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT. AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DO IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST, YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN, WORK WITH STAFF, AND START WORKING TO IT WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU. AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. UH, SIR, YOU'RE PROPOSING A SWING GATE ON YOUR, UH, DRIVEWAY, UM, WITH A CAR PARKED THERE, A SWING GATE IS GOING TO SWING OUT OVER THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. UM, IF THIS COMMISSION APPROVES A GATE AT THAT LOCATION, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON MAKING THAT A SLIDING GATE SO THAT IT DOESN'T SWING UP AND CROSS OVER THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK? UM, WELL ONE NOTE, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW, POSSIBLY VIA THE SIDEWALK ENDS AT MY DRIVEWAY, IT'S JUST DIRT FROM THERE TO THE CORNER, UH, BEYOND THE DRIVEWAY. SO IT WON'T CHANGE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC PATTERN AT ALL. UM, AND I ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS, I, I HAVE TO BUILD THIS FENCE MYSELF NOW. AND I, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A SLIDE GATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. BY ANY CHANCE, DID YOU GET A DIMENSION OF THE LITTLE FENCES ACROSS THE STREET? DID, ARE THOSE THREE FOOT FENCES, ARE THEY FOUR FOOT FENCES? I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, FENCE HEIGHTS OF THE OTHERS, BUT, UM, WE CAN SHOW THROUGH GOOGLE, UM, IMAGES. THEY DO LOOK LIKE THREE FEET TO ME. WELL, I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET THERE MIGHT BE A FOUR FOOT. YEAH, THAT CHAIN LINK. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, UM, YES SIR. WE WILL ATTEMPT A, A MOTION ON THIS ONE. UM, I RECOG I MOVE FOR, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM ONE, UH, WITH THE STIPULATION ITEM ONE, UM, STIPULATION TWO AND THAT THE GATE BE A SLIDING, UH, GATE AS PER THE SUGGESTION FROM THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION. AND, UH, THAT STIPULATION FOUR IS ALSO COMPLIED WITH. AND I WOULD ADD A, UH, A FIFTH STIPULATION THAT THAT COMPLIANCE, UM, THAT, OR TO ASK STAFF IF WE COULD, WE COULD PUT A TIME, UH, FRAME TO THAT COMPLIANCE THAT IT BE WITHIN LIKE A 12 MONTH PERIOD OF TIME TO FOLLOW UP ON TO, TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RECOUP, UH, FINANCIALLY ON THIS AND TO BUILD UPON WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY COMPLETED. A SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. BAZOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. YES, BAKER. AYE THAT SIR? AYE MOTION. CARRIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE ADJOURNED. WE ARE. THANK YOU EVERYONE. SORRY FOR ALL THE ISSUES. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.