* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 15TH, 2023. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS FISH SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ ZUKA CARPENTER. HERE, GROUP. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. BAKER HERE. ZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. OH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, WE HAVE SOME, UH, ANNOUNCEMENT FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES, EZ. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. IN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN WATCH THIS MEETING THROUGH LIVESTREAM VIA THE CITY'S WEBSITE. FOLLOWING THE MEETING, A RECORDING WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH. FOR THOSE APPLICANTS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT REQUIRE INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, THE INTERPRETER WILL TRANSLATE OVER THE PHONE AS NECESSARY. APPLICANTS ARE ASKED TO KEEP PRESENTATIONS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE TO ALLOW TIME FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION EACH HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO MINUTES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. COMMISSIONERS WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS REGARDING EACH APPLICATION. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS APPLICANTS ARE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY, WE ASK THAT THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING SPEAK CLEARLY INTO A MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR ALL COMMENTS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY T IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK O H P STAFF TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR TODAY'S MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK WE'RE READY TO GET STARTED. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE TODAY, WE HAVE 13 ITEMS [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE'LL START OFF BY LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR THOSE BY VOICEMAIL. UM, EDWARD, IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PLAY THE VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM ONE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAMS STREET. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO OPPOSES ANY DEMOLITION OF THE ORIGINAL ROBERT HH HAGMAN STONEWORK ALONG THE RIVERWALK. CERTAINLY THE GOALS OF THE HOTEL DEVELOPMENT FOR ITS RIVERWALK FRONTAGE CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT LOSING INTACT ELEMENTS OF THE 1939. DESIGNED BY HAGMAN, WE HAVE LOST TOO MANY ORIGINAL WALLS ALONG THE DOWNTOWN RIVERWALK WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS. MOREOVER, THE PROPOSED DESIGN TAKES A SINUOUS ORGANIC SHAPE OF HAGMAN'S ORIGINAL STONEWALL, WHICH RELATED TO THE RIVERBANK AND RESHAPES THEM INTO PERFUNCTORY REC, THE LINEAR ELEMENTS THAT RESPOND ONLY TO THE NEW BUILDING AND IGNORE THE RIVER. FURTHERMORE, AS NOTED THREE YEARS AGO, THE RIVERSIDE FACADE OF THE NEW PROJECT SHOULD COMPLIMENT RATHER THAN DETRACT FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE RIVERWALK BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF GLASS FACADE ON THE RIVERSIDE LEVELS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. NEXT VOICEMAIL IS FOR NINE 18 DAWSON. IT'S ITEM NUMBER TWO. HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE, COST RESIDING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WOODY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH ZERO 40 LOCATED AT NINE 18 DOLPHIN. WHILE WE NORMALLY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH O P'S DECISION TO ALLOW THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO BE DEMOED, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS AN ENCROACHMENT PROBLEM THAT CANNOT BE RECTIFIED. [00:05:01] SO FOR JUST THIS ONE CASE, WE ARE AGREEING WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW THE STRUCTURE TO BE DEMOED UNLESS ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS CAN FIND A SOLUTION TO SAVE IT. WE DO HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH THE LACK OF PARKING SPACE AND YARD FOR THIS REAR PROPERTY. IF THIS IS A SEPARATE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHERE ARE THE HOMEOWNERS SUPPOSED TO PARK? THE PARKING THAT'S IDENTIFIED STATES THAT IT'S DEDICATED FOR THE MAIN EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH WE'RE ASSUMING IS THE TWO STORY EXISTING HOUSE THAT FACES DAWSON. I CAN SEE FUTURE PARKING ARGUMENTS FOR THIS STRUCTURE WHEN THE OWNERS BLOCK THE DRIVEWAY TO THE MAIN HOUSE FACING DAWSON. IN ADDITION, THERE IS NO YARD FOR THIS HOUSE. WHERE ARE THE AC UNITS SUPPOSED TO GO? WHERE IS THERE SPACE TO PUT A SHED TO STORE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE MAY BRING WITH THEM? WHERE IS A YARD THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO UTILIZE IT FOR SOCIAL EVENTS SUCH AS A BARBECUE OR FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY OUTSIDE? DIGNITY HILL IS AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH YARDS. WE NEED TO STOP THESE DEVELOPERS FROM TAKING UP EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THESE LOTS WITH NO CONSIDERATION FOR QUALITY OF LIFE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BUY THESE PROPERTIES AND LIVE IN THEM, NOT RENT THEM OUT OR USE THEM FOR RENTALS. DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THESE CREATE HOUSING THAT IS USED SOLELY FOR INVESTMENT PURPOSES. WE'RE ALSO CONFUSED AS TO HOW THIS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WILL HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS AS THE EXISTING TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT FACES DAWSON. WHY WOULD IT NOT HAVE A FLORENCE STREET ADDRESS? THANK YOU. NEXT VOICEMAIL IS FOR ITEM NUMBER 10 19 46 WEST GRAMERCY. YES, THIS IS REGARDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 19 46 WEST GRAMERCY, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 0 5 7. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN THEIR HISTORIC HOME AND SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. THOSE ARE ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS, UH, COMMISSIONERS. THEY'RE ALSO, UH, WRITTEN COMMENTS AND LETTER FORM IN YOUR PACKETS FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY, WE WILL NEED TO PULL AND, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, 1 0 1 NEWELL AND WAIT FOR ANOTHER COMMISSIONER TO SHOW UP BECAUSE I ONLY NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF ON THAT CASE. I DON'T NEED TO PULL IT. DO, UH, SO WE'LL PULL THAT ONE AND DEAL WITH THE OTHER, UH, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. NOW, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER 13. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER ONE, ITEM ONE AND 13. ANY OTHERS? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO, FOUR THROUGH 12 WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? FISH. I'M SORRY. SAVINO. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS NINE 18 DAWSON. ONE 16 CAMARGO 8 0 2 NORTH PINE, 2 24 EAST CAROLINA 32 44 MISSION ROAD, THREE 11 EAGLE LAND AND FORT, EXCUSE ME, THREE 11 EAGLE LAND AND FIVE 40 ADAMS. 2 37 CLAUDIA, 1946 WEST GRAMERCY 2 28 RERA AND 3 31 WEST ELSMERE PLACE. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, MR. TONY BYRON IS HERE IN PERSON. UH, THE DESIGNERS, UH, MARK KORNBERG AND COCAL ARE HERE VIRTUALLY IF THEY HAVE OR IF THEY, IF THEY'RE NEEDED. OKAY. WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD PLEASE? MY NAME'S TONY BYRON WITH MT. BYRON INVESTMENTS. UH, [00:10:02] THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS, JUST BEFORE COVID HIT. UH, IT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS WORKED ON, NEGOTIATED WITH, WORKED ON, UH, AND WITH, WITH A NUMBER OF STIPULATIONS AND A NUMBER OF, OF CONCERNS WHICH WERE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME. UH, WE ARE BACK IN ASKING FOR APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. UH, IT IS THE EXACT SAME PROJECT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AN ADDITION OF 35 ROOMS OR THREE FLOORS. UH, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE CONSERVATION SOCIETIES. UH, FIRST THEIR, THEIR OVERSIGHT ON THE CITY. THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND, AND THEY CERTAINLY WERE, UH, AWARE AND, AND OFFERED COMMENTS THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS PROJECT FORWARD AS WELL TO, UH, WE FELT LIKE THAT, UH, THAT WE, WE ADDRESSED, UH, ALL THE CONCERNS WITH THE, WITH THE REGARDS TO THE HAMAN WALLS AND, AND THE RIVERFRONT. IN FACT, BACK AT THAT TIME, WE HAD PULLED ALL THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS, ET CETERA, AND IT WAS NOTED THAT THIS WAS A CONTINUATION OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT DESIGN AT A LATER DATE. UH, WE DID, WE DO RESPECT THE, UH, THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RIVERWALK, THE WALLS, THE ARCHITECTURE, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE REALLY, REALLY WORKED HARD. AND I, I DO HAVE MY LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HERE, PETE HINTON, WITH RIALTO, UH, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT WE, WE, UH, WE ADDRESS THE WALLS AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A CONCERN RIGHT NOW. AND AS MUCH AS WE'RE TAKING THE BLOCK DOWN, ONE BY ONE, NUMBERING THEM, PUTTING 'EM TO THE SIDE, WE REINTRODUCE, UH, CURVATURE WALL IN THE CORNER WHERE IT WAS BEFORE. AND THEN WE, WE INTRODUCED, UH, SEVERAL OF THE LOWER WALLS, WHICH ARE THE STRAIGHTER WALLS, BASICALLY TO MEET HANDICAP REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. UH, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE LEFT THE WALLS TO THE FAR EAST ALONE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHERE THEY ABUT TO, TO THE, UH, LA MONTEON. SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE DESIGN. UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT JUST A HOTEL, THIS IS A REVITALIZATION OF THAT ONE BLOCK AREA. WE'VE WORKED REAL HARD TO INCORPORATE ALL THE BUILDING MATERIALS FROM THE CHURCH INTO THE DESIGN, MIMIC THE DESIGN OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND TO, UH, AND TO ADDRESS THE RIVER WALK LEVEL, MAKING IT AS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL CERTAINLY LEAVE IT OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? ACTUALLY, I, I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS. I MEAN, I KNOW YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO. I, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD AT THE PROJECT, AND I THINK THE PROJECT AS A STANDALONE LOOKS EXCELLENT, RIGHT? WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLANS, IT'S, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. RIGHT? A LOT OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL. I I KNOW EVERYTHING YOU'VE MENTIONED. I BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE STILL, THE CONCERNS ARE THERE AS IT IMPACTS THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND I GUESS FOR ME, MY THREE CONCERNS ARE THE PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY DID MENTION. THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME. AND I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE TAKING IT APART BRICK BY BRICK. OKAY. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S STILL A CONCERN. UM, THE IMPACT THAT YOU'LL HAVE AS YOU STAND THERE ALONG THE RIVER, WALK OVER THE RIVER WALK, I, YOU CAN GO TO BUILDING OR RATHER SLIDE. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT HERE. THERE'S THIS VIEW WITHOUT THE BUILDING THAT YOU HAVE AS YOU'RE STANDING ON THE STREET. HOLD ON, STAFF, I'LL TELL YOU WHERE IT'S AT. AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE. THERE'S A SLIDE THAT HAS THAT. THERE YOU GO. UH, NUMBER, UH, 19, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S 19. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO THAT VIEW WON'T BE THERE ANYMORE, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE PUTTING THE BUILDING THERE. I, I GET THAT RIGHT. THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME. WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YOU. I'M JUST POINTING OUT A CONCERN. UM, AND THEN THE OVERALL SIZE, RIGHT? I THINK INITIAL, YOUR INITIAL PROPOSAL, IT WAS, I THINK, SLIGHTLY TOO BIG. UH, THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION, BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO GO TALLER, WHICH AGAIN, EVEN INTENSIFIES MY CONCERN OF THE SIZE AND IT TOWERING OVER THE, THE CHURCH THERE. SO [00:15:01] THOSE ARE MY THREE CONCERNS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THAT NOW, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. UH, OVERALL WITH THE PROJECT. AS YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND IN INTRODUCING THE THREE LEVELS FROM STREET LEVEL, IT IS, IT, IT WOULD BE BARELY, UH, YOU COULD BARELY PERCEIVE IT, BUT WE DID STRIVE TO KEEP THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IN LINE WITH, OR IF NOT LOWER, THAN THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS ITSELF, SUCH AS THE, THE, THE JEWELRY ACROSS THE STREET, THE HOLIDAY INN, UH, THE NEW CANOPY HOTEL. UH, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A TOWERING, UH, PROJECT THAT, THAT WOULD OVERSHADOW ALL OF THAT. WE, WE WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL TO, TO DO SHADING, UH, SHADOW STUDIES, ET CETERA, TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS MINIMAL, MINIMAL, MINIMAL, UH, IMPACT, UH, ON THE SURROUNDING AREA. WILL IT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY? YES, IT WILL. WELL, WE, WE HAVE TO PULL SOME OF THAT. WILL WE GO BACK AND TRY TO PUT IT BACK AS CLOSE AS WE CAN? RESPECTING THE MATERIALS, UH, RESPECTING THE, UH, DESIGN PHILOSOPHY. THAT'S OUR INTENTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, UM, MR. SAVINO? YES, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF REMEDIAL OR VERY BASIC AND BORING, AND IT WILL HELP TO INFORM ME. UM, THE ORIGINAL C O A FOR FINAL, OR THE C O A WAS AWARDED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND SO WE'VE HAD, WHAT, ALMOST THREE YEARS PASS. AND TYPICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A C O A IS ONLY EFFECTIVE FOR SIX MONTHS, 180 DAYS, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT. SO THIS PROJECT, SO THIS IS COMING IN ALMOST, ALMOST AS A NEW, NOT NEW PROJECT, BUT A NEW APPLICATION. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT'S THE REASON, UH, FOR THAT EXACT REASON. UM, NORMALLY IF AN APP, IF A C O A WAS EXPIRED OR SOON TO EXPIRE, AN APPLICANT COULD REACH OUT TO STAFF, STAFF WOULD REISSUE THAT C O A WITH THE SAME STIPULATIONS, UH, BEING THAT THIS PROJECT IS THE SIZE THAT IT IS MM-HMM. AND HAS THE SCOPE AND MAGNITUDE THAT IT DOES STAFF RECOMMENDED TO THE APPLICANT FOR THEM TO SUBMIT AN A APPLICATION THAT INCLUDED THEIR INCREASE IN HEIGHT AND A REQUEST FOR A NEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UH, IN STAFF'S REVIEW, WE FOUND THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MET STIPULATIONS OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, UH, AND THE DESIGN HAD, THE DESIGN STILL FEATURES THE ELEMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PREVIOUSLY MET WITH THE COMMISSION AND AGREED TO. UH, THEREFORE, THAT'S THE REASON WHY STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION ITSELF AND THE INCREASE IN HEIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I, I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO RE-REVIEW THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY NECESSARY ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER AND THE OTHER ORGANIZATION HAVE A POINT ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND NOT TO RE-LITIGATE LANDSCAPE, BUT TO RECONSIDER, UM, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN, IN THAT. UM, AND THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION IS IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE. WELL, I DO HAVE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HERE WHO WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED THE HAMAN THOUGHTS DESIGNS AND WHAT WE DID TO MINIMIZE ANY IMPACT THAT WE COULD. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT OFFER. UM, MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, AND I WOULD NOT WANNA, UM, UH, REDESIGN OR GO THROUGH THAT DURING THIS PARTICULAR HEARING. MY, UM, I GUESS MY POSITION WOULD BE THAT, WELL, LET'S SEE IF SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE OTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA DO A MOTION, UM, IF OKAY. UM, FOR DISCUSSION. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF THE PROJECT. I, I DO REMEMBER THIS PROJECT. I ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE THAT WE DO LOOK AT THE ROBOT, ESPECIALLY THE SIDEWALKS, TO BECOME MORE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. AND, AND, AND I THINK YOUR SOLUTION TO IT, YOU'RE STILL KEEPING THE WALL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RETAINING, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A SLIDE WITH THE PERCENTAGES OF HOW MUCH YOU'RE RETAINING AND RESTORING. UM, I, I DO TRUST THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO A GOOD PROJECT ON THIS. I'M GONNA MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, AND THEN I'LL JUST ADD SOME COMMENTS SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UM, YEAH. AND MY COMMENTS WILL BE, UH, JUST TO COMMISSIONER ERVS ON THE REAR OR PURVIEW, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR [00:20:01] DUTIES HERE ARE TODAY. UM, PERSONAL OPINION OF, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCING NEW BUILDINGS TO THE DOWNTOWN, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT OUR PURVIEW, AND IT'S THE RIO GUIDELINES, WE DO NOT HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. I THINK THIS ADDITION OF THESE THREE FLOORS WAS DONE VERY WELL. UM, YOU'RE NOT ADDING, YOU KNOW, MORE ROOFTOP, MORE ANY, LIKE, I THINK IT'S DONE PRETTY MITIGATE. I MEAN, YOU'RE ADDING THREE FLOORS, BUT I THINK THE BUILDING ITSELF FROM WHAT WE APPROVED THREE YEARS AGO IS STILL STANDING THE SAME, THE ARCHITECTURE, THE DETAILS THAT YOU'RE DRAWING FROM THE CHURCH TO THE MAIN BUILDING. SO, AND THEN ON THE LANDSCAPING, I'M VERY CONFUSED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MORE ARE, ARE WE TALKING JUST SPECIFICALLY ON THE WALL? ARE WE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PLANTING'S? LIKE, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S CONCERNS WERE, BUT, UM, I THINK SPECIFIC TO THE WALL, WHICH IS THE CONCERN OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT HERE AND NOT DELAY MORE. SO JUST, UH, FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, I GUESS I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND OUR PURVIEW IS NOT THE HEIGHT WE DO, WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF LIMITING HEIGHT, RIGHT? WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF LOOKING AT HOW IT IMPACTS THE DESIGN OF HISTORICAL ASPECTS OR HISTORICAL BUILDINGS IN THE VICINITY OF THAT. SO THAT SAID, IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT. NOW, AGAIN, YOU ARE, YOU CAN PROBABLY GO A LITTLE HIGHER IF IT, IF THE CODE ALLOWS IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD, RIGHT? SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THAT. ONE QUICK QUESTION ON, UH, I HAD, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE SUN SHADOW CAST? OKAY. AGAIN, THIS, THIS TALKS ABOUT THAT VIEW THAT IT HAD ON SLIDE 19, WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, AT THAT DOWN THAT STREET AND DOWN INTO THE RIVERWALK. AS I SEE THIS, I UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SUN GLARE FROM THE WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE ALL ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING, CORRECT? THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING BACK AT YOU WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING, IT'S GONNA BE GLARING BACK AGAIN, NOT GIVEN THE HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE TIME OF THE YEAR. IT WOULD BE MINIMAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND GIVEN, GIVEN THE, MY CONCERNS AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED, I, I THINK I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. JUST, UM, A COMMENT ALONG THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE GLARE. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ASTUTE TO SORT OF STUDY WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE BEYOND JUST SHADOW. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'VE GOT THE, UM, THE AZTEC THEATER ACROSS FROM US THERE. AND AS THE THEATER ITSELF, THE, UH, THE OFFICE BUILDING WRAPS ON THE ST. MARY'S AND, AND THE COMMERCE SIDE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT PRIMARILY A WINDOWLESS, UH, ELEVATION THERE ADJACENT TO THE RIVERWALK, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A PORTION ONE BAY THAT, THAT WRAPS AT THE, AT THE NORTH, UH, WEST CORNER, THAT'S PART OF THE OFFICE. BUT, UM, I, I WAS AT THE D R C AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I COMMENDED YOU ALL FOR THE, THE SHADOW STUDY BEING AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE TO SHOW WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE. AND I, I CONCUR THAT THERE, THEY'RE MINIMAL AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE THE, THE ADDED, UH, FLOOR LEVELS ACTUALLY HELP THE PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING. AND I THINK WE'VE HAD IN RECENT YEARS, A COUPLE OF, UH, NEWER, UH, HIGH RISES PUT IN OR MID RISES IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT SORT OF, UH, UNDERSHOT AND IT WAS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE AESTHETICS OF THOSE, THOSE BUILDINGS. SO I THINK THIS IS, IS ACTUALLY AN IMPROVEMENT, THE ADD ADDED FLOORS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. AND, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER GRU'S ASSESSMENT OF, UM, THIS PRESENTATION, IT'S, UM, BASICALLY WHAT WE HAD REVIEWED AND APPROVED PREVIOUSLY. THE, AND I THINK THE ADDED, UH, THREE FLOORS ACTUALLY, UM, OF THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF. SO, SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. MM-HMM. , UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER, ANY COMMENTS? NO FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. UM, MY VIEW OF THIS IS, UH, I AGREE WITH, IS THIS POSSIBLE? I CAN AGREE WITH EVERYBODY HERE. UM, THE PROPORTIONS FOR THE STRUCTURE ARE MORE, UM, UH, ARE BETTER IN THE TALLER VERSION. HOWEVER, WHERE IT SITS RIGHT NEXT TO THE LA MANSION, UM, THE FORMER, UM, SCHOOL AND THE CHURCH IS, WHAT MAKES IT SEEM EXCEPTIONALLY TALL IS ITS IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UM, TALLER BUILDINGS GOING ON ACROSS THE RIVER, BUT THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER IS VERY, UM, THE RIVER ON WHICH THIS IS PLANNED IS, UM, MUCH MORE, UM, MODEST. SO I, FOR THAT REASON, I DO THINK IT IS A CONCERN. UM, AND I CAN'T HELP BUT LOOK AT THAT OVERRUN ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS IN THE AREA OF THE, THE CAPITOL. AND THAT HEIGHT FROM, LET'S SEE, IT'S THE SCREEN THAT'S BEING SHOWN RIGHT NOW, THE HEIGHT FROM THE AWNING OF THE OUTDOOR OBSERVATION [00:25:01] DECK UP TO THE TOP OF THE OVERRUN AND THE PARAPET WALL DOES SEEM A LITTLE BIT TALL AND AWKWARD. UM, BUT THOSE ARE, UH, MY ONLY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? CALL FOR A VOTE. UM, SHOULD WORRY, MAYBE THE APPLICANT WILL LIKE TO WITHDRAW SINCE WE KIND OF, MAYBE WE'LL SEE HOW THIS VOTE GOES, IF THAT'S AN OPTION. WHICH PART? IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW FOR NOW, JUST BASED ON THE COMMENTS OF HOW VOTE, I MEAN, IF THE MOTION TO APPROVE A STIPULATIONS DOESN'T PASS, WE WOULD JUST ENTERTAIN A DIFFERENT MOTION. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK HE'S FACING A DENIAL AT THIS POINT. YEAH. SO I CALL FOR A ROLL CALL. SAVINO, NAY CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE ES NO, BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER O OMAR GONZALEZ IS HERE IN PERSON. HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, O OMAR GONZALEZ, THE FUTURE RESIDENT OF 3 0 4 SADIE STREET IN LAVACCA, UH, OUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YEAH, SO TWO INTERESTING, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY, UM, REGARDING THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. UH, ONE IS THAT WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO POP INTO A SECOND FLOOR WHERE, UH, AN ATTIC EXISTED WITH 13 FOOT CLEAR, AND, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET SOME STAIRS IN THERE AND HAVE A REALLY NICE LOFT. UH, WHAT IT'S MISSING IS NATURAL LIGHT. AND, UH, AND WE FOUND A REALLY, UH, GOOD SOLUTION THAT, UH, WHEN WE TOOK A, ABOUT A TWO BLOCK WALK, UH, SO ALONG SADIE STREET, VANCE STREET AND DELAWARE STREET, UH, FOUND SEVEN HOMES THAT HAD, UH, DORMERS OVER THE FRONT DOORS AND THOUGHT THAT'D BE A REALLY GREAT PLACE TO, TO ADD A DORMER TO HAVE NATURAL LIGHT, UH, WORKS REALLY WELL. AND THE FLOOR PLAN, IT ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY EVEN WOULD GIVE US A VIEW OF THE TOWER OF THE AMERICAS, PROBABLY JUST IN THE WINTER WHEN THE, THERE'S NO LEAVES ON THE TREES. BUT, UM, UH, SO, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TODAY. AND THE SECOND ONE IS, IS GANGING WINDOWS, UH, ON THE WESTERN SIDE, WHICH AGAIN, WORKS, UH, REALLY WELL WITH OUR, UH, REVISED FLOOR PLAN. AND IT ALSO MATCHES THE WINDOWS, UH, THAT ARE ON THE FRONT NORTH ELEVATION. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO REQUESTS HERE TODAY. AND, AND I THINK STAFF'S REVIEWED ALREADY. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA, YOU HAD QUESTIONS? UM, WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, PER SE. I MEAN, I, I'VE LOOKED AT THE FILE. UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR A SECOND FLOOR FLOOR PLAN TO BETTER ASSESS THE DORMER. MY CONCERN IS THE DORMER ADDED TO THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, I PULLED IT BECAUSE I THINK A DORMER FOR THE LIGHT FOR THE SECOND FLOOR COULD WORK VERY WELL ON EITHER SIDE OR THE REAR. AND THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. I HAVE A COPY OF THE FLOOR PLAN IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, OKAY. IN THE MEANTIME, MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP TO THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH STAFF STIPULATION? I'M SORRY? ARE YOU OKAY WITH STAFF STIPULATION? YES. THE ONE WITH THE WINDOWS? YES. WE ACCEPT ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. YEAH, THERE IT IS, RIGHT? IS UPSIDE DOWN , SO THERE, YEAH, THERE'S ALREADY A, A GABLE ON THE [00:30:01] WEST, UM, WHERE, UH, WE HAVE EARLIER, UH, PERMISSION FROM H G R C TO CHANGE THAT OPENING TO A OPERATING WINDOW THAT GIVES US EMERGENCY EGRESS FROM THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, AND THEN REALLY THE O THE ONLY OTHER OPTION, UH, WOULD BE SOUTH FACING, BUT YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UM, KIND OF UTILITY WORK GOING ON THERE WITH, WITH AN, WITH AN HVAC CLOSET. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF I MAY. YES. I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. MOTION IS SECOND. UM, DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO, I THINK IT'S, THIS IS A REASONABLE WAY OF, OF CAPTURING SOME SPACE UP THERE AND IN, IN, IN KIND OF A, A LOW PROFILE, LOW IMPACT AND, AND ALSO IN CONSISTENT WITH HOW YOU WOULD'VE HAD ATTIC WINDOWS, UH, DONE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A SYMPATHETIC APPROACH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, HELP ME OUT HERE ADMINISTRATIVELY. IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO AMEND THE MOTION? YOU MAY OFFER AN AMENDMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND, UH, STAFF STIPULATION, UM, KEEP THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE, WITH THE DORMER, BUT WITH A HIP ROOF RATHER THAN THE GABLE ROOF. UH, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, UM, UH, VERY OVERT FACE ELEVATION ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT MAKES IT REALLY, REALLY, UM, OVERPOWERING EVEN. I THINK A HIP ROOF COULD BE A MUCH BETTER WAY TO BE DISCREET WITH THAT POPUP THROUGH THE ROOF. SECOND. SO MOTION A SECOND FOR AN AMENDED MOTION TO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND A HIP ROOF ON THE DORMER? YES, SIR. OKAY. DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH. UM, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I THINK HIP ROOFS CAN OFTEN BE, UH, INTRODUCED TO SORT OF DOWNPLAY THE IMPACT OF SOMETHING. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UM, ALL OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE PRESENTING TO THE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, UH, ARE, ARE, THAT ARE UP AT THAT LEVEL ARE WITHIN GABLE, UH, ROOF STRUCTURES. SO I THINK IT WOULD FEEL MORE CONSISTENT TO HAVE IT AS A, AS A GABLE BE MORE CONSISTENT WITHIN THE HOUSE, UH, ITSELF. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? I, YEAH. IN, IN OUR TOUR, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE GOT THE, THE PRECEDENT, UH, IMAGES FROM THESE, THESE ARE ALL ALONG THE, THE, THE STREET THAT WE'RE LIVING ON IN, IN THE, IN THE BLOCK IN FRONT AND THE BLOCK SOUTH OF IT. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO CAN YOU STAFF, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? THAT ONE, NEXT ONE. WHAT IS THE, OKAY. THE VISIBILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU'RE ADDING SOMETHING TO THE VERY FRONT OF THE ELEVATION FRONT OF THE HOUSE. AND YES, THERE'S A PRECEDENT FOR HISTORICAL DORMERS UP THERE. UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO PLAY 'EM UP AND TO HIDE THEM. AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT ARE VERY DISCREET. AND I FEEL LIKE THE WAY THIS IS THE WAY YOURS IS DRAWN, IT APPEARS TO BE BIG. IT APPEARS TO BE A LITTLE, APPEARS TO BE ABOUT AS WIDE AS THIS ONE THAT'S BEING SHOWN RIGHT NOW. SO FOR THAT REASON, OKAY. ANYWAY, YEAH, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSIONS ON THE ONE SHOWN. I, YEAH, YEAH, I, I THINK THIS'LL, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS, WAS KEEP IT ALIGNED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE FRONT ENTRANCE. SO KEEPING THAT, I THINK IT'S A SEVEN FOOT SIX WIDTH MM-HMM. . SO IT'S ALIGNED WITH THE, WITH THE FRONT ENTRANCE. WELL, THIS WILL FULFILL THE GUIDELINE REQUIREMENT THAT A NEW CONSTRUCTION IS VERY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE EXISTING, AND IT CERTAINLY WILL BE MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH. AND, AND HOW I SEE IT IS, UM, I WON'T SUPPORT, I'LL SUPPORT THE INITIAL MOTION YOU HAVE THAT FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S MUCH MORE PITTING. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW AS A FLAT, BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE THAT FRONT SO IT'S ACTUALLY SET BACK. UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE FRONT, FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT'S ACTUALLY SET BACK. 'CAUSE YOUR FRONT DOOR'S SET BACK. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SORRY. THIS SHOWS TO BE FLAT, BUT IT IS, I MEAN, YOU CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE OF WHERE IT IS FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF. IT'S OKAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE OTHER, UH, RANDOM COMMENT HERE. JUST AS THIS IS DRAWN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LACKING SOME DETAIL THAT WOULD BE THERE IN REALITY WHEN IT'S CONSTRUCTED, WHEN THERE VIA, UH, A FLASHING STOP THAT HELPS TO BEGIN TO SCALE DOWN THAT, THAT FASCIA BOARD, UH, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING, UH, GABLE ROOF THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT FEELS A LITTLE CLUNKY BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THAT. BUT THERE'S GONNA BE A SHADOW LINE AT THAT STOP WHERE THE, WHERE THE FLASHING, UH, WHERE THE, UH, [00:35:01] EDGE FLASHING WILL, UH, LAP OVER THAT, THAT WOULD STOP AND IT WILL BEGIN TO SCALE DOWN THE APPARENT WIDTH OF THAT. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION? SINO AYE. CARPENTER? NO. GRO KNIGHT CERVANTES? YES. BAKER NAYYY FETZER NAY. MOTION FAILS. SO NOW A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. SAVINA AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. SO SINCE WE STILL ARE WAITING FOR ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, WE WILL SET ASIDE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER, UH, THREE AND UH, WE WILL GO TO THE INDIVIDUAL [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] CONSIDERATION AGENDA. ITEM 14. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14 H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 3 9 9 18 PINE STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCT THE STEEL CARPORT STRUCTURE TO FEATURE AN OVERALL LENGTH OF 74 FEET, AN OVERALL DEPTH OF APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET, AND AN OVERALL HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET, SEVEN INCHES. TWO, CONSTRUCT A C M U WALL PARALLEL TO NORTH PINE STREET TO SCREEN THE PROPOSED PARKING FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THREE TO INSTALL A LANDSCAPE GUARD AND A SCREEN BOAT, THE C M U WALL AND THE STEEL CARPORT FROM VIEW FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE. THE CONSTRUCTION OF A STEEL CARPORT STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A CARPORT THE LOCATION AND MATERIALS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EXPOSED C M U WALL PARALLEL TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT PROPOSED FENCING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF A LANDSCAPE GARDEN. THE FEATURE NATIVE GRASS IS BASED ON FINDING E WITH THE STIPULATION THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, THAT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND ADOPTED POLICY DOCUMENTS. THE APPLICANT DAVID ERICKSON IS HERE VIRTUALLY. DAVID, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. OKAY. I'M HERE. PERFECT. UM, SO THIS, UM, I'LL JUST, UH, START WITH, UM, THANKS FOR REVIEWING ALL MY OTHER CASES AND I JUST WANNA, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR A LITTLE BIT WITH THE PROJECT, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NEWER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT NINE 18 NORTH PINE STREET CONTAINS AN EXISTING MASONRY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY A LAUNDROMAT THAT WE RESTORED AND REHABBED IN 2012. AND THIS PROJECT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR SOME TIMES AND WE'VE RESTORED THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE AT NINE 14 NORTH PINE STREET. AND WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF ADDING TWO OTHER STUDIO STRUCTURES BEHIND NINE 14 NORTH PINE STREET THAT WILL CARRY THIS INDUSTRIAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AESTHETIC TO PLAY WELL WITH THE EXISTING LAUNDROMAT. TO WRAP THIS PROJECT UP, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY OF IMPROVING THE CURB APPEAL OF OUR EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT RESPONDS TO OUR UNIQUE CONTEXT AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE, INCLUDING OUR INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL CONTEXT FOUND THROUGHOUT DIGNITY HILL. THE EXISTING LAUNDROMAT IS SET BACK 95 FEET FROM THE STREET, AND OUR BUILDING IS FRONTED BY A PARKING LOT AND IT'S FITTING OF A MORE COMMERCIAL TYPOLOGY WHERE YOU TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE A PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF LIKE A, A GOODS AND SERVICES PROJECT LIKE A LAUNDROMAT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THIS PARKING LOT AND TO FILL THE VOID LEFT BY THE LOT IN OUR SETBACK BUILDING. BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE WERE LOOKING AT MINIMIZING THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF CARS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO TIE IN THESE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON SITE. AND GIVEN THAT OUR LAUNDROMAT STRUCTURE IS FRONTED BY A GARDEN WALL OF MASON RECONSTRUCTION, PART OF IT'S STAMPED BRICK AND PART OF IT IS CINDER BLOCK, WE'RE LOOKING AT USING THAT SAME LANGUAGE ON THE SIDEWALL OF OUR CARPORT TO TIE IT INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THEN PLAN A DROUGHT RESISTANT GARDEN IN FRONT. THE CARPORT STRUCTURE ITSELF IS A RECYCLED STRUCTURE TAKEN FROM A DEMOLISHED EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN SAN ANTONIO. AND WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT ERECTED ON OUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAD APPROVED BY H C R C AROUND FIVE YEARS AGO. AND SINCE THEN, WE DISASSEMBLED THAT CARPORT TO MAKE ROOM FOR A NEW STUDIO STRUCTURE. THAT'S THE CARPORT STRUCTURE. WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TO THIS NEW PARKING LOT LOCATION. WE ORIGINALLY WERE LOOKING AT FILLING THE PARKING LOT WITH ANOTHER BUILDING, UM, A FEW YEARS AGO. BUT WE, AFTER TWO YEARS OF TRYING TO PERMIT THE STRUCTURE, WE RAN INTO ISSUES WITH OUR ALLEY, THE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES BEING BUILT ONTO SETBACK LINES AND NOT HAVING ENOUGH CLEARANCE FOR FIRE ACCESS KIND OF FORCING US TO KEEP THIS PARKING LOT. AND SO WITH [00:40:01] THESE PERMITTING ISSUES, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY OF TAKING SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TRIED TO IMPROVE AND JUST LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION THAT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK NICER. UM, WE CAN'T REALLY, AND SO PART OF THAT WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY OF HIDING THE CARS. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A PARKING LOT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL, CORRECT? I'LL, UH, I'LL PLAY THOSE NOW. THERE ARE TWO VOICEMAILS AS WELL AS, UM, A LETTER FROM A GROUP OF NEIGHBORS IN YOUR PACKETS. HELLO, THIS IS SCOTT ALBERT. I LIVE AT 9 2 2 NORTH PINE STREET. I'M CALLING ABOUT NINE 18 NORTH PINE STREET. CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 3 9. GENERALLY I APPROVE THE PROJECT. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE. CLARIFY THOUGH, UH, THE DRAWINGS DON'T MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE ROOF PITCH. UH, I'D LIKE TO ENSURE THAT IT IS PITCHED AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY. THE DRAWINGS ALSO DON'T MAKE IT CLEAR ABOUT ANY FLAT WORK. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLAT WORK IS ALSO PITCHED AWAY FROM MY PROPERTY. AS FOR THE C M U WALL ON THE FRONT OF THE PROJECT, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE, THE CINDER BLOCK OR CEMENT BLOCK CONSTRUCTION. UH, I THINK O H P MADE THE RIGHT CALL ON THAT AND I WOULD RECOMMEND EITHER CLAY BLOCK OR BRICK OR SOMETHING, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE INDUSTRIAL TYPE SITE THAT WE HAVE THERE. THANK YOU. YES. THIS IS ARI CORTEZ RESIDING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 3 9 LOCATED AT NINE 18 NORTH PINE. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION ON HOW FAR THIS PROPOSED CARPORT WOULD BE FROM THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE. THANK YOU. THOSE CONCLUDE OUR VOICEMAILS. OKAY. MR. ERICKSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE EITHER OF THOSE VOICEMAILS? YEAH. YEAH, I THINK, UM, FIRST ONE IS THAT THE ROOF OVERHANG IS THREE FEET, BUT THE PART OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE GROUND IS MORE LIKE EIGHT FEET. 'CAUSE THE CARPORT'S A CANTILEVER STRUCTURE. SO OUR OVERHANG IS THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, FLAT WORK AND PITCHING IT AWAY FROM 9 22 NORTH PINE STREET, WE'RE, WE COMPLETELY CAN DO THAT AND ADD THAT INTO OUR STIPULATIONS. WE'LL PITCH IT AWAY FROM SCOTT'S SCOTT AND SUNNY'S YARD. UM, THE ROOF IS FLAT. UM, AND SO IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK IT WOULD, UM, IF WE ADDED A LIGHT PITCH, WE COULD PITCH IT TOWARDS MY PROPERTY AND NOT SCOTT'S OR, UM, INTRODUCE A SWALE BEHIND, BEHIND THE PARKING STRUCTURE TO CATCH THAT WATER. UM, AS FAR AS THE CLAY BLOCK, I WOULD LOVE TO USE CLAY BLOCK IF SOMEBODY COULD GO BUY DE HEINOUS BLOCK MANUFACTURER BECAUSE THEIR EXTRUDERS BEEN BROKEN FOR THREE YEARS. UM, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET CLAY BLOCK FOR THREE YEARS, SO , UM, I COULD, I THINK THE CINDER BLOCK IS MORE SYMPATHETIC TO THE LAUNDROMAT STRUCTURE. IT WOULD TIE THAT IN BETTER. UM, I FEEL LIKE IF I INTRODUCED BRICK, IT WOULD JUST BE A SKIN APPLICATION THAT WOULDN'T REALLY TIE INTO ANY OF THE STRUCTURES BECAUSE THE BRICK ON THE LAUNDROMAT IS SUCH AN OLD PATINA BRICK. AND I WOULD BE HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING NEW THAT I FEEL IN SOME WAYS WOULD JUST BE LIKE A FACADE TREATMENT THAT WOULDN'T MAKE IT FIT THE COMPLEX. SO I WOULD PREFER TO USE THE CINDER BLOCK AND PLANTS IT WITH FIG VY LIKE I'VE DONE ON MY OTHER WALLS. IT'S JUST OTHER, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE FREEZES THAT WE HAVE THAT KILL THE FIG VY, WE'RE REGROWING IT RIGHT NOW. THE HOPE IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A GARDEN WALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH. SO MR. ERICKSON, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU, YOU, YOU, WE'VE APPROVED A PROJECT THERE BEFORE. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT NO ONE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO BUILD LIKE A STRUCTURE HOUSE STRUCTURE THERE BECAUSE OF THE EASEMENT? YEAH, SO WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS BOTH NINE 14 NORTH PINE AND NINE 18 NORTH PINE ARE, THEY SIT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND WHEN WE PURSUED A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN REVIEW, UM, BECAUSE THE ALLEY'S AN UNAPPROVED ALLEY. AND SO IN ORDER TO EVEN USE THE ALLEY TO ACCESS REAR PARKING, WE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THOSE MEASURES TO, UM, TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE ALLEY. WE TRIED TO BUY THE ALLEY, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET EVERY NEIGHBOR TO SIGN UP. AND THAT WAS REALLY HARD DURING THE PANDEMIC. AND SO, AND JUST TO GET EVERYONE'S APPROVAL. AND SO WHEN WE PURSUED THE COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ADEQUATE FIRE ACCESS BECAUSE THERE, THE LAUNDROMAT IS BUILT [00:45:01] ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND SO SOME FIRE ACCESS REQUIREMENTS WERE 25 FEET CLEAR. AND AT ONE SPOT WE ONLY HAD 20 FEET CLEAR. AND SO THE ONLY OTHER WAY TO SERVICE THE PROJECT IS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A FIRETRUCK USE THE PARKING LOT TO ACCESS THE REAR STRUCTURES. SO, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF, IS IT, IS IT STILL GONNA BE A LAUNDROMAT? NO, IT'S A, IT'S A HOUSE. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE FIRE. FIRE MARSHAL HAD CONCERNS TWO YEARS AGO AND AFTER TRYING TO PUSH THE PERMIT THROUGH FOR OVER A YEAR, WE RAN OUTTA MONEY AND TIME AND JUST BECAUSE IT JUST WAS TIED UP IN A NO MAN'S LAND AND THEN YOU NEED THAT MUCH PARKING. IS THAT MY OTHER QUESTION? WHY EIGHT SPACES? THE OTHER REASON WHY WE NEED EIGHT SPACES IS BECAUSE IN ORDER NINE 14 NORTH PINE, BECAUSE THE ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED, TECHNICALLY CANNOT USE ANY OF ITS PROPERTY FOR REAR PARKING BECAUSE THE ALLEY WOULD NEED TO BE IMPROVED. SO PARTLY THE ONLY WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EVEN BUILD THE, THERE ARE OTHER TWO STUDIO STRUCTURES IS IF WE WROTE IN THE DEEDED ON NINE 18 THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE PARKING FOR NINE 14 AS WELL BE, IT'S JUST THE ALLEY'S PROVEN, IT JUST BECAME THIS REALLY LONG SAGA, UM, NOT A LOT OF SUCCESS. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. MR. ERICKSON, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT ALLEY EASEMENT IS STILL AN ACTIVE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A SERVICE ALLEY, IT'S PUBLIC. RIGHT. SO HERE'S WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING WITH ALLEYS LIKE THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT THE, THEY WERE USED TO BE A PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT WERE LET FALLOW, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY A DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY. IT USED TO JUST BE NOBODY OWNED IT. THE CITY TAKES OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY DON'T MAINTAIN IT. AND SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN IT, YOU EITHER HAVE TO BUY IT BACK FROM THE CITY MM-HMM. MM-HMM. OR, OR YOU HAVE TO PURSUE A COMMERCIAL SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN AN ALLEY PER REGULATIONS OF A COMMERCIAL PROJECT. OKAY. WHICH OURS IS NOT. OKAY. SO GOING TO THAT POINT, UM, DID YOU MENTION WHAT YOU'RE PAVING YOUR, UH, PARKING AREA IN YOUR CARPORT AREA WITH? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO DO DECOMPOSED GRANITE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THAT PROPERTY LINE TO THE SOUTH THAT BORDERS THE PUBLIC ALLEY AND YOUR PROPERTY? YEAH. WHAT IS THE EDGING CONDITION? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PUT STEEL, UH, JUST DO A STEEL BAR OR SOMETHING TO HOLD THE GRAVEL, LIKE A METAL EDGE. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PLANT SOME TREES ON MY PROPERTY THAT LIKE FIGHT THE EFFECTS OF THE PARKING LOT. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . OKAY. AND ALSO, DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL IN HERE TO ADDRESS THE FENCE ON THE NORTH SIDE? NO, THAT'S ALREADY, IT ALREADY EXISTS, SO I WAS JUST GONNA LET IT STAY AS IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE. QUESTIONS? OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CARPENTER? YEAH, I HAVE A ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT. IT, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY WAY OF SOFTENING THAT SIX INCH MASONRY C M U WALL, LIKE PUTTING CABLES AND VINES OR ANYTHING ON THAT TO, TO BEGIN TO, UH, MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT FEELING LIKE, UH, MORE OF A, A RESIDENTIAL, UH, LANDSCAPE RATHER THAN A COMMERCIAL LANDSCAPE? AND I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE HERITAGE OF THIS IS THAT THAT WAS A LAUNDROMAT IT WAS COMMERCIAL, BUT WHEN YOU START STACKING EIGHT PARKING SPACES NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THAT KIND OF EXACERBATES THE, UH, SORT OF THE INTRUSION OF A COMMERCIAL LIKE PARKING LOT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD SETTING. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT WAYS OF SOFTENING THIS? YEAH, SO ONE, ONE THING WITH THE CENTER BLOCK IS IF WE PUT LIKE A SUBSTRUCTURE ON IT, LIKE TO HELP THE VINES GROW AND DO DRIP, DO A DRIP IRRIGATION JUST TO ENSURE THAT IT'S WELL WATERED AND FED SO THAT WAY IT COULD CO BE COVERED IN VINES WOULD BE GREAT. AND I THINK WE WOULD, WE WOULD ALSO DO THAT ON THE REAR WALL THAT YOU SEE THERE. BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T DONE IT UNTIL WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON ALL THE OTHER STRUCTURES. AND THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF TRYING TO LIKE LANDSCAPE, DOING A COMMERCIAL, LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN THIS, UM, PARKING LOT WOULD BE THE ONE, THE FIRST ONE. MM. SO YEAH, WE COULD SOFTEN IT WITH LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, PUTTING ON LIKE SOME TABS IN CABLE WIRE TO HELP VINES GROW. RIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE KIND OF CONSISTENT WITH YOUR SORT OF LOFT VOCABULARY. UH, SECOND AND FINAL QUESTION, THE PARKING [00:50:01] STRUCTURE ITSELF THAT YOU'RE SORT OF READAPTING HERE, RE YEAH. REUSING. IS IT, UM, IS IT MODULAR ENOUGH THAT YOU CAN CONFIGURE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER, UH, LAYOUTS OR DOES IT HAVE TO, BY VIRTUE OF ITS EXISTING STRUCTURAL, UH, SYSTEM HAVE TO BE GANGED TOGETHER LIKE THIS INTO EIGHT, UH, EIGHT UNITS? SO IT'S, IT'S MODULAR SO WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE OFF A BAY. SO LIKE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WE HAD WAS SIX BAY. WE USED TO HAVE SIX STRUCTURES. I MEAN, UH, SIX PARKING SPOTS, THREE BAYS WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING FOUR JUST BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE UP TO, WE COULD DO UP TO 10 COVERED SPOTS, BUT 10 WOULD PUSH US. WE WANTED TO KEEP THE SETBACKS OF, OF OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT WE COULD, IT IS POSSIBLE TO GO TO LESS SPACES. WE COULD, I MEAN WE COULD DO THREE BAYS INSTEAD OF FOUR, MR. CHAIR, JUST THAT. OH, JUST ONE QUESTION. YES. THAT WOULD BE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT LIKE I WOULD TOTALLY JUST SUPPORT THAT SIX SPACES. MY CONCERN IS ACTUALLY THE SETBACK AND I WANTED YOU JUST TO, UH, WHAT'S THE SETBACK COMPARED TO THE TWO FRONT HOUSES? I CAN SEE IT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF RIGHT ON THE LIMIT, RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE SETBACK OF THE TWO NEIGHBORING HOMES OR YOU'RE BEHIND. TOTALLY. YEAH. NO, I'M, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY, IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY BEHIND THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES, BUT IT'S ONLY BEHIND BY LIKE A FOOT. AND SO ONE OF THE ISSUES IS LIKE, IT'S EITHER GOING TO, IT HOLDS THAT LINE OR I JUST MOVE THAT BACK 18 FEET OR LIKE ONE BAY WIDTH BACK. AND AND THE WALL IS WHAT YOU'D MEASURE AS YOUR SETBACK, RIGHT? THE WALL? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND, AND I LOOKED AT AN OPTION WHERE I HAD THE WALL PUSHED BACK, BUT THEN THE PARKING, THEN I JUST PUT TWO UNCOVERED SPOTS THERE AND THEN I'M ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TWO CARS SITTING IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, WHICH I, I WAS TRYING TO HIDE, RIDE A CAR, , HIDE AS MANY CARS. 'CAUSE THE FURTHER I PUSHED THIS BACK, THE, THE MORE SPACES ARE GONNA BE OCCUPIED BY, IT'S JUST, I'M GONNA HAVE LIKE AN UNCOVERED SURFACE PARKING IN FRONT OF IT THEN COMMISSIONER, I DON'T WANT THAT. COMMISSIONERS COULD, UH, IF STAFF CAN CLARIFY ONE THING, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU HAD A COMMENT IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, C M U WALL AND HOW TO MAY MAYBE DRESS THAT UP. UM, JUST PLEASE NOTE AND I'LL UH, POINT OUT THE FINDING, UH, FINDING D THE GUIDELINES PROHIBIT C M U AS A PRIMARY WALL CONSTRUCTION WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. UM, THAT'S PARTLY, UH, STAFF'S RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, INSTALL OFFENSE THAT'S LIMITED TO FOUR FEET TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT FEATURES A TRADITIONAL MATERIAL. UM, ANOTHER OPTION TO THAT WOULD BE THAT THE APPLICANT FINDS A WAY TO, IF THERE IS THE NEED FOR A SOLID WALL, UM, JUST HAVE IT SET BACK AND THEN DRESS THAT WALL IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SO, UH, JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, MR. CHAIR. YES MA'AM. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION YES, MA'AM. THAT WE PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THE GENERAL PROJECT WITH THE REQUIREMENT TO COME BACK TO D R C TO ADDRESS THESE VERY, UH, UM, DISPARATE TOPICS AND MATERIALS. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D SECOND THAT WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UM, ELABORATE? YEAH. YEAH. AND I, I THINK THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, OBVIOUSLY A REAL NEED FOR THIS AND THERE'S ALSO A LONG-TERM EFFECT, UH, THAT ADDRESSES THE ALLEY. AND I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE ALL OF US TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT, TO, UM, FIND A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, UM, ALLOW THE, THE APPLICANT TO ACHIEVE HIS GOALS, BUT ALSO TO RESPECT THE, UM, THE HISTORIC BLOCK FACE. SO I THINK THINGS LIKE THE SETBACK ARE IMPERATIVE, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THE LAST TWO SPACES I THINK IT IS. UM, AND THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, I THINK THE WALL IS IMPORTANT, THE LANDSCAPING ALL AS WELL AS THE MATERIALITY OF THE CARPORT AND I THINK THEY WARRANT ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION? UH, I'M JUST COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, UH, WHY I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT MAKE SENSE WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING FOR THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES HERE. BUT, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE FACING, BUT I THINK, UH, A BETTER INTEGRATION OF THIS WITH A LANDSCAPE SOLUTION AND UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SOME FURTHER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEING WHERE IT'S SIX BAYS THAT ARE UNDERCOVER AND MAYBE TWO BAYS THAT ARE FLANKING ON EITHER END THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNDER MORE OF LIKE CAT TRELLIS SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT ONCE AGAIN TURNS OVER, UH, TO MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL, UH, VOCABULARY RATHER THAN A JUST CONTINUOUS EIGHT BAY COMMERCIAL. UH, PARKING COULD BEGIN TO GET ME [00:55:01] A MUCH MORE ON, ON BOARD WITH THIS UH, PROPOSAL. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROOVE. YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T WANNA REPEAT BUT I ECHO BOTH OF MY COMMISSIONERS. I THINK MY HEART, WHAT'S TO I'M TORN BETWEEN IS THE FACE OF THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, ALL THE HISTORIC HOMES AND IT'S REALLY HARD. I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE ONE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, BUT IT'S JUST, AND I WOULD SAY I THINK HOW I WOULD, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT IT WOULD BE A, A YEAH, THE SIX BAYS I WOULD TOTALLY SAY, UH, SETBACK OF THAT SS M U LIKE FURTHER SETBACK FROM THE HISTORIC HOMES RIGHT ON THEM. I WOULD, AND THEN IN A WAY TO, UM, CONSIDER SOME OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS OF THE MATERIAL OF THE WALL, UM, OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, MITIGATING IT WITH LANDSCAPING. BUT YEAH, I WOULD, THAT WAS SOMETHING I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRUB? AYE. MR. ANTE? YES, BAKER? AYE THAT SIR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT D R C. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. AGENDA ITEM 15. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 6 4 10 AUSTIN. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A REVERSE LIT CHANNEL LETTER OR SIGN ON THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING AT FOUR 10 AUSTIN STREET. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT SUBMIT AN AMENDED SIGN DESIGNING LOCATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS A VERTICALLY ORIENTED BLADE SIGN TO BE LOCATED TO THE FAR LEFT OR FAR RIGHT OF THE FRONT FACADE. THE APPLICANT LIDDELL TOY IS HERE IN PERSON. YES SIR. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? SORRY. UH, LA DELTO US SIGNS, UH, NEW BRAUNFELS, TEXAS. AND UH, WE ARE TRYING TO DO A REVERSE CHANNEL LETTER SIGN FOR LAIA DOWN ON AUSTIN STREET. AND, UH, ED INFORMED ME THAT, UH, THE SIGN BAN WHERE THIS IS BEING PROPOSED IS TOO HIGH. SO THE REASON WHY WE INSTALLED IT, OR WE WANT TO PROPOSE THE SIGN THERE IS BECAUSE HE WANTS VISIBILITY FROM THE HIGHWAY FROM 37 DRIVING BY. AND WE CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE POWER LINES, THE, UH, PRIMARY POWER LINES THAT ARE ABOVE THAT. THE BLADE SIGN IDEA, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH. BUT THE PROBLEM, THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT IT DOESN'T SUFFICE TO THE LETTERING STYLE THAT THEY HAVE A SCRIPT. SO WE, IT, IT'D BE HARD TO LAY THAT OUT AS A BLADE SIGN GOING VERTICALLY. AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE WE HAVE A, UM, A, UH, WEATHERHEAD THAT WE CAN'T PUT IT ON THAT SIDE AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY PLACE, BUT THE VISIBILITY WOULDN'T BE VERY, VERY GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, I HAVE QUESTION COMMISSIONER ERVS, HOW MUCH, HOW AM I GONNA WORD THIS? HOW MUCH DRILLING, HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO DISTURB, MODIFY, OR CHANGE THE BRICK WITH YOUR PURPOSE? WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE BRICK. WE'RE, UH, SO WE'RE GONNA BE DRILLING IN QUARTER INCH HOLES TO, UH, SUPPORT THE LETTERS, THE REVERSE CHANNEL LETTERS. SO THE, ACTUALLY THEY'RE THREE 16 HOLES AND THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 2, 3, 4, MAYBE 18 TOTAL INTO THAT BRICK. MM-HMM. . SO TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT QUESTION, SINCE THEY'RE QUARTER INCH HOLES, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO, UH, KEEP THOSE LIMITED TO THE MORTAR JOINTS RATHER THAN THROUGH THE BRICK? UM, WE CAN, I'D HAVE TO REALLY LAY THAT OUT TO MAKE IT WORK. WE COULD DO IT, BUT YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE SOME CHALLENGE. YEAH. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN IS DISTURBING THE BRICK. THAT'S, I GET IT. YEAH. THAT'S THE WHOLE, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF ALL THIS. NO, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU KNOW, AND EVEN IF WE DID A BLADE SIGN, WE'D HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING. WE'D HAVE TO DRILL ALL THREADS THROUGH THE WHOLE WALL TO SUPPORT IT. MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU, I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND, AND I SEE THIS ONE IS KIND OF HARD BECAUSE I MEAN, I WOULD'VE ALSO SUGGESTED [01:00:01] A BLADE SIGN AND I SEE AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, DO I MAKE YOU CHANGE YOUR WHOLE LOGO? AND I'M SURE THE WHOLE LOGO HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND, AND I CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING A PROBLEM ON THE BLADE SIGN. UM, I AGREE THE BLADE SIGN WOULD DISTURB THE SAME WAY. THE BRICK, I WOULD ADD A STIPULATION MAYBE THAT YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OUR PURVIEW, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'LL ASK YOU TO NOT, YOU KNOW, DISTURB AS LEAST AS POSSIBLE YOU CAN THE BRICK. BUT, UM, AND, AND THE GUIDELINES PUT US ALSO IN A DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE YES, THERE IS NO SPACE FOR A SIGN ON THE FIRST LEVEL REALLY. UM, SO THAT'S WHY I I I WOULD APPROVE AS PRESENTED. OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES. UM, I SEE THE PROBLEM, I SEE THE CHALLENGE. I STILL AM VERY UNEASY WITH SO MANY, UM, UNKNOWN DRILLING INTO THE BRICK MATERIAL, A BRICK WALL. UM, I WOULD, I REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION THAT THE SIGN COULD HAVE A BACKING, A SOLID BACKING BOARD OF SOME SORT AND WHETHER IT'S RECTANGULAR OR SQUARE. AND THAT WOULD BE THE MEDIUM THAT ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL THOSE CONNECTION POINTS INTO THE PROPER PLACE. WE COULD DO A, A HALO BACKER PANEL ON IT, BUT WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GO INTO THE WALL 'CAUSE WE'RE TRUE. BUT THE, BUT AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IT'S UH, IT'S A LITTLE IFFY ON WHERE THOSE, UM, PENETRATIONS INTO THAT MORTAR OR THE BRICK GO. AND BY HAVING A LARGER SQUARE, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO PLAN THAT AHEAD AND ENSURE A BETTER ADHE ADHESION AND NO DAMAGE TO THE BRICK. SO WE COULD PUT A HALO BACKER PANEL ON WITH A RACEWAY THAT WOULD, SO THE, WE'D HAVE SEVEN INCHES, FIVE ABOUT A FOOT STAFF. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES? IT WOULD BE. AND UH, THIS APPLICANT AND OTHER SIGN APPLICANTS HAVE UTILIZED RACEWAYS AND BACKER PANELS BEFORE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF, LIKE WE COULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON FINDING IT THAT SOLUTION. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION WANTED TO INCLUDE, I'LL GO OUT ON LIMB AND AMEND THAT MOTION TO INCLUDE A BACKER BACKER PANEL PANEL AND IT'LL STILL HAVE THE SAME LOOK. 'CAUSE HE, HE WANTED THE HALO WITH THE INTENTION, WHICH ACTUALLY WORKS WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ANYWAY, WITH THE INTENTION TO, UM, UM, PROVIDE A LIMIT THE PENETRATIONS INTO THE BRAIN. YEAH, EXACTLY. THANKS. I'LL SECOND MOTION. A SECOND, UM, DISCUSSION ON, UH, AMENDED MOTION. I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU. IT'S EASIER TO REFILL MORTAR THAN IT IS BRICK, RIGHT? SILICONE . YEAH, I GET IT. ABSOLUTELY. TAKE A VOTE. CALL FOR A ROLL, ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION. RENO. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. BETTS AYE. MOTION PASSES. SO ANOTHER VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION. MAIN MOTION VOTE. SENO AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. ZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU BOARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 16. AGENDA ITEM 16, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 1 8 9 9 22 HAZE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH ON THE REAR ADDITION, AND TWO, RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. ITEM ONE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF FAUX WOOD GRAIN COMPOSITE SIDING ON THE REAR. ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO INSTALL COMPOSITE SIDING WITH A SMOOTH FINISH AND AN EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES TO COMPLY WITH H D R STIPULATION FOR CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 180 2. ITEM TWO, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION AT THIS TIME. BASED ON FINDING C, THE PROPERTY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE ONCE THE PROPERTY COMES INTO COMPLIANCE. AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE. AND SO THE SIDING WAS OBSERVED BY STAFF DURING THE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION SITE VISIT. AND THE APPLICANT, MICHAEL SCHAFER, I BELIEVE IS WITH US IN PERSON. HI, COME ON UP. HI. HELLO. HI, UH, MICHAEL SCHAFER. UH, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND YOUR SERVICE ON THIS BOARD. UM, AS SHE MENTIONED, JUST TO REVIEW THE SIDING THAT WAS, THAT WAS PUT UP ON THE ADDITION OF THIS RENOVATION. UM, I IMAGINE THE PURPOSE OF THE TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM, UH, IS TO INCREASE INVESTMENT AND PROUD OWNERSHIP IN THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS SAN ANTONIO. UM, I'VE SPENT OVER $200,000 RENOVATING THIS HOUSE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, UH, AND TO SWITCH OVER FROM A PLACE WHERE DRUGS WERE SOLD OUT OF IT TO A PLACE WHERE I CAN RAISE MY TWO DAUGHTERS. UH, THERE WAS A MISTAKE TO PUT THE SIDING UP FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. UH, COMBINED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, LEVELS OF SIDING AND MIXING OF MATERIALS THROUGH THE, [01:05:01] UH, ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOME AND THEN THE ADDITION, AND THEN SOME, UH, MISCOMMUNICATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND, UH, BEING AT THE HEIGHT OF COVID. SO, UM, THERE WAS A MISTAKE MADE ON THE SMOOTHNESS OR THE TEXTURE OF THE SIDING. I GUESS THE WOOD GRAIN, UH, IS NOT ALLOWED. UM, I THINK THERE WAS THE DEFINITION OF SMOOTHNESS WAS, WAS WHAT WAS IN QUESTION WHEN WE WERE INSTALLING IT. UM, I DO, WHILE THERE WAS THAT MISTAKE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS SMALL DETAIL, WHICH CAN'T BE SEEN FROM THE STREET AND IS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC HOME, SHOULD, UH, BLOCK AN APPLICATION THAT I THINK ACHIEVES THE GOAL AND THE, UH, INTENT OF THE TAX INCENTIVE. THANK YOU. UH, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. I'LL PLAY THAT AT THIS TIME. YES. THIS IS ARI CORTES. I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL. WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 5 3, LOCATED AT 9 22 HAYES STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. SINCE THE INSTALLATION OF THE COMPOSITE SIDING TO THE REAR EDITION DID NOT MEET THE APPROVED H D R C STIPULATION FOR CASE NUMBER 2019 DASH 180 2, THE BUILDER AND OR HOMEOWNER WAS WELL AWARE OF THIS REQUIREMENT AND SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED FOR NOT ADHERING TO THIS STIPULATION. IF TAX VERIFICATION IS APPROVED, THE H D R C COMMISSION WILL HAVE SET A NEW PRECEDENT, WHICH WOULD GUARANTEE THAT ANY OTHER DEVELOPER OR HOMEOWNER THAT DOES NOT MEET THIS H D R C GUIDELINE WILL USE THIS CASE AS A REASON TO CIRCUMVENT THIS SIDING GUIDELINE. THIS DOES NOT CREATE EQUITY FOR ALL THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT DO EVERYTHING. THEY ARE ASKED TO MEET H C R C GUIDELINES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. UH, WHAT IS THE EXPOSURE, UH, IN INCHES FOR THIS SITING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? DO WE KNOW IF IT, IS IT COMPLIED WITH A FOUR INCH REQUEST OR IS IT SOMETHING, I BELIEVE IT'S FIVE INCHES AND I HAVE A THING EMAIL IT BACK AND FORTH WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ENCOURAGE FOUR, BUT FIVE HAS BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD TO RE GET FOUR UM, INCHES AND TO CLARIFY FROM STAFF THEN THAT, UM, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. AND THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE AT STAKE HERE. IT'S REALLY THE, THE TEXTURE OF THE SIDING. THE ORIGINAL STIPULATION FROM THE 2019 H D R C CASE WAS APPROVAL OF AN EXPOSURE OF FOUR INCHES. SO WE WOULD ASK THAT THE SIDING COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STIPULATION, BUT YOU USUALLY IT'S, WE SAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX. CORRECT. WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF ACHIEVE A, AN HISTORIC PROFILE. SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I RESPOND TO THE, THE CALLER TOO? I, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NEIGHBOR'S COMING FROM. I DON'T THINK IT GUARANTEES A PRECEDENT. IF ANYTHING, I THINK IT SHOWS, UM, CRITICAL THOUGHT AND, UH, ABILITY TO GO THROUGH THE LOGICAL DECISION MAKING PROCESS AND LOOK AT THESE CASES, UM, YOU KNOW, A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND USE THE REVIEW BOARD AS IT'S INTENDED, UH, TO ACHIEVE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ON AN ADDITION. IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UH, WE WORKED VERY HARD TO GET THE, UH, STREET, UH, FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE SIDES TO MATCH UP. IF YOU SEE IN SOME, LIKE THIS PICTURE, THE ORIGINAL SIGHTING THAT'S KIND OF ON THE FAR LEFT OF THE PICTURE WAS, UH, A COMPOSITE SIDING THAT WAS PUT UP SOMETIMES IN THE EIGHTIES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, OH, UM, ASBESTOS. WE REMOVED ALL THAT FROM THE FRONT AND, UH, IT LED KIND OF AS IT COMES DOWN THE SIDE. THAT'S WHERE THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MATCH UP THE BEST WITH THE HISTORICAL PROFILE OF THE ORIGINAL 1900 WOOD SIDING COMBINED WITH THE 1980S ASBESTOS. AND THEN THE ADDITION. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE, I JUST HAVE ONE. WAIT, WE HAVE QUESTION SOME QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UM, ACCORDING TO THE PREVIOUS TO THE ORIGINAL 9 20 19 REQUEST, YOU HAD REQUESTED A, UM, COMPLETE SIDING OR, UM, REMOVING THE, THE, THE VINYL SIDING AND ALL THE OTHER SIDING TO REVEAL THE ORIGINAL FOR THE ENTIRE HOUSE, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. SO WE REQUESTED IT ALL AT ONCE, UHHUH TO DO, UM, COMPOSITE SITING ON EVERYTHING. AND THEN H C R C SAID THEY DENIED UPFRONT THE, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE SAID YOU NEED TO DO WOOD, KEEP THE, IF YOU REMOVE ANYTHING INCLUDING THAT O THAT UH, ASBESTOS SIDING, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BY, UH, WOOD SIDING OR FIX THE ORIGINAL UHHUH, WHICH IS WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO I WAS ABLE TO GET THE, BUT THEN ON THE ADDITION THEY SAID, UM, COMPOSITE WOULD BE FINE. WHAT ABOUT THE SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE? IT APPEARS THAT YOU KEPT SOME OF THE, THE ESTIMATES I JUST LEFT IT, THEY SAID IT WAS FINE AS I, AS IF I LEFT IT AS I BOUGHT IT. NOW, IF I WERE REMOVED ANY OF IT, I WOULD HAVE TO FIX THE WOOD THAT WAS UNDERNEATH OR REPLACE IT WITH WOOD, BUT I DID [01:10:01] NOT REMOVE ANY OF THAT. THE SIDE. SO THE, THE ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING IS ONLY ON THE FRONT? CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GROUP QUESTION. I THINK MY QUESTION WAS MORE TO THAT. IT'S LIKE, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE CONFUSION WAS. YOU DID DO THE WHOLE FRONT AND THEN I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WHY DID YOU GET CONFUSED OF WHAT, WHY THE ADDITIONAL WE, BECAUSE WE GOT PERMISSION TO DO THE HARDY ON THE BACK. THAT WAS, THAT WASN'T OUR THING. 'CAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, SO IT WAS APPROVED IN THE, FOR THE ADDITION, BUT THE CONFUSION WAS WITH THE SMOOTHNESS. I DIDN'T REALIZE A WOOD, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS SMOOTH TO TOUCH. UH, I DON'T OWN THE PICTURES. IF YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE WOOD GRAIN A LITTLE BIT. UM, IT'S, I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, THE DEFINITION OF SMOOTHNESS, I GUESS IS WHAT GOT, UH, GOT US HUNG UP FIRST RENOVATION. AND, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE GOT THE STUFF, IT SEEMED IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT MET THE INTENT. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED FOR ITEM ONE. I DON'T THINK THERE, THERE'S THE INTENT OF MALICIOUSNESS HERE AND IT'S, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE MISUNDERSTANDING, BUT I THINK THE, AS I'M OBSERVING THE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WORK WAS DONE IN AN EXCEPTIONAL MANNER, MANNER. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE THAT, AND I WOULD THEN THEREFORE WOULD RECOMMEND THE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. UH, FOR ITEM TWO. SECOND, I'LL SHARE A SECOND DISCUSSION. I HAVE ONE COMMENT AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD PRESIDENT, BUT I MEAN, YOU DO BECOME, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I I THINK YOU DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE. I THINK THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING. UM, THE REASON WHY I'LL SUPPORT THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE BACK MM-HMM. , AND IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THAT IS MY MAIN REASON. THE DID GOOD WORK ON THE FRONT. UM, I JUST HOPE THAT YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE LISTEN AND IF YOU DO EVER REPAINT IT, MAYBE JUST PUT AN EXTRA LAYER OF PAINT THERE, IT LOOKS MORE AND MORE SMOOTH. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. MY ONLY COMMENT, UH, IS THAT WE SEE THIS MISUNDERSTANDING WAY TOO OFTEN. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO BE CLEARER IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE COMMISSION TO BE CLEARER TO SAY, NON WOODGRAIN SURFACE AS OPPOSED TO SMOOTH OR FLAT OR WHATEVER. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO TO THE EXTENT THAT LIKE WE DO ON FOUNDATION INSPECTIONS AND, UH, METAL ROOF INSPECTIONS, THAT BEFORE ANY SIDING GOES UP, THEY GET AN INSPECTION FROM STAFF SO THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR WHICH SIDE OF THAT, UH, CEMENT BOARD SHOULD BE ON THE EXPOSED FACE. UM, COMMISSIONER SINO, UM, YEAH, THIS IS, AS MUCH AS WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PRECEDENT, IT'S NOT TODAY. IT'S NOT ON THE MEETING MINUTES, IT'S NOT IN THE VIDEO, IT'S NOT A PRECEDENT. BUT BEYOND THAT, IT BECOMES A PRECEDENT TO NEIGHBORS, TO OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE ADDING, PUTTING AN ADDITION ON. AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT, UM, UM, UM, IT REMOVES A LITTLE BIT OF DILIGENCE WHEN THE SIDING GOES UP BECAUSE WHY IT'S EVERYWHERE. SO FOR THAT REASON, UM, AND KNOWING WHAT PRECEDENT DOES IN OUR DISTRICTS, I, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINO NAY CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AGENDA ITEM 17. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 43. ADDRESS, 5 0 1 QUITMAN STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH STRIATIONS STAFF. DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF WITH STRIATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIMPED RIDGE SEAM AND A STANDARD GALLOON FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATIONS OR CORRUGATIONS. RIDGES ARE TO BE FEATURED A DOUBLE LUNGE OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VINTAGE RIDGE RICH CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. A ON-SITE INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK TO VERIFY THE ROOFING MATERIALS MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. ALL CHIMNEY, FLU AND RELATED [01:15:01] EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE APPROVED. AND THE APPLICANT, MELODY PATRICK, IS HERE IN PERSON. HELLO, I'M MELODY. UM, THIS HOUSE, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE CAME BEFORE THE BOARD LAST JUNE AND THEY WORKED ON IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. WE HAD APPROVAL FOR SIDING, REPAIR PORCH FOUNDATION, ROOF REPLACEMENT, OBVIOUSLY WINDOW REPAIR, SOME FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS, LARGELY A REAR ADDITION. SO WE WERE APPROVED FOR ALL THAT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE ROOF INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND SUBSEQUENTLY SAYS IT WAS GIVEN TO THE ROOF SUBCONTRACTOR. SOMEWHERE IN THERE, THERE WAS NO ROOF INSPECTION SCHEDULED. UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE ROOF WAS NON-CONFORMING WHEN I APPLIED FOR A C O A FOR OFFENSE AFTER THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED. SO WE WERE UNAWARE OF IT UNTIL THAT POINT. UM, I'VE GONE BACK TO THE GC TO THE HOMEOWNER. OBVIOUSLY CULPABILITY LIES, LIES WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. UM, HE'S GOTTEN QUOTES TO QUOTE UNQUOTE FIX, YOU KNOW, WHICH WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE ROOF. HE'S NOT IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO DO THAT. WE DID AT ONE TIME HAVE A RIDGE CAP, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, A RIDGE VENT. AND HE DID PAY ANOTHER ROOFING CONTRACTOR TO COME AND REMOVE THAT AND REPLACE IT WITH A RIDGE CAP TO BE AS COMPLIANT AS POSSIBLE. HAVE A QUESTION? YES, YES. COMMISSIONER ANTES. FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU TELL ME WHO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAS AND THE ROOF CONTRACTOR? I DO NOT KNOW WHO THE ROOF CONTRACTOR IS. UM, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR IS JOEY MORALES WITH J E M ENTERPRISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I THINK OUR HOPE IS THAT BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT HILL BEING ECLECTIC AND THEN THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF, I MEAN, IT'S ON EQUIPMENT WHICH IS NOT MUCH MORE THAN AN ALLEY, AND IT'S KIND OF ON THOSE IN BLOCKS THAT WERE ADDED ON. SO, YOU KNOW, I HEAR WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANNA SET A PRECEDENT, BUT WE DO WANNA RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, THE SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT THAT WAS PUT IN HERE. AND ENVIRONMENTALLY, THERE'S NO, NO WAY TO REUSE THIS. IF IT WERE REMOVED, UM, IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER, ANOTHER ROOF ENTIRELY. MR. CHAIRMAN, QUICK QUESTION, AND THIS ISN'T, UH, RELEVANT TO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY, BUT WAS THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENT, DID THAT PREDATE YOU DID IT, I'M SORRY, OR THE, THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENT? UH, THE, THE GRAVEL EVERYWHERE. THERE'S NOT A BLADE OF GRASS, SO THE LANDSCAPE WAS NOT SUBMITTED, NOT APPROVED. THERE HAS SINCE BEEN A PLAN THAT WAS KIND OF A SIDE THING DONE WITHOUT COMMUNICATION. SO THERE HAS SINCE BEEN A PLAN TO REMOVE THE NON-CONFORMING PARTS OF THE FRONT YARD AND REPLACE THAT WITH 50% SOD. SO WE'RE AWARE AND, YOU KNOW. GREAT, THANK YOU. YEAH, THE YARD, AND LIKE I SAID, WITH THE RIDGE CAP, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE AS FAR AS WE CAN TO BE COMPLIANT WITHOUT ASKING THE CONTRACTOR TO GO IN DEBT. ANOTHER 15,000 THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO REPLACE THE ROOF, THAT'S BRAND NEW. OKAY. WELL, REPLACING THE VENTED RIDGE CAP WITH THIS RIDGE CAP IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT THE, THE STRIATIONS I, I'M STILL HAVING AN ISSUE WITH, UM, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR AN EMOTION? I, A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL FOR THIS ITEM? OH, I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS MARLENE HAWKINS AND I LIVE AT 6 0 1 EAST CARSON IN THE GOVERNMENT HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT. I AM CALLING ABOUT 5 0 1 QUITMAN. UH, ITEM NUMBER 17 20 23 DASH FOUR THREE. I'M ASKING THAT YOU DENY THE STANDING ROOM, UH, ROOFING WITH STRIATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT IS QUESTIONED IS, WAS QUESTIONED. ALSO, NOTE IN THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE THAT THE WHOLE FRONT YARD IS COVERED WITH PINK AND GRAY ROCK, WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE AND WAS NOT APPROVED BY O H P AS WAS NOT THE ROOF THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY. NOW. WE HAVE TOO MUCH OF THIS GOING ON AND IT DAMAGES OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO AND PLEASE CONTINUE TO PROTECT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ABOUT THE YARD AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT A REQUEST ITEM TODAY. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY, I READ THAT IN THE FINDINGS JUST NOW. I APOLOGIZE ING THERE'S NO PINK ROCK. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR. YES. UM, REGARDING THE ROOF, UH, VENT THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO CREATE A CRIMPED SEAM MM-HMM. , DID THE END CAP ALSO GET MODIFIED? THE PHOTOS IN HERE SHOW THE END CAP BEING A TRIANGULAR SHAPE. UM, RIGHT. AND I KNOW THOSE WERE EMAILED. [01:20:01] I I DIDN'T SEE THEM IN HERE, BUT THOSE WERE PROVIDED IN JANUARY. MM-HMM. , BUT I DO HAVE A PHOTO OF THE NEW END CAP. UM, IT WAS MODIFIED MID-JANUARY, SO THAT END CAP, THAT END CAP IS NOT, YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'LL DO A MOTION. MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. AND WE LOOK AT IT EVERY CASE DIFFERENTLY. UM, THE NEIGHBORING HOME HAS A METAL ROOF THAT IS VERY WELL DONE. AND I THINK THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, KEY FACTORS THAT THE CONTRACTOR SHOULD HAVE SAID, OKAY, MY ROOF LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM THAT ONE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WASN'T, BUT I THINK OUR ROOF STIPULATION IS VERY CLEAR. MM-HMM. , AND YOU STILL HAVE A CONTRACTOR, SO I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON THIS ONE. AND I THINK HE'LL WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GO BACK TO YOUR CONTRACTOR AND, AND REALLY HAVE HIM, I MEAN, SEE WHAT HE CAN DO. BUT, UM, SO I'M GONNA MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TO NOT TO DENY THE APPLICATION. SO MOTION TO DENY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. I HAVE A QUESTION. STAFF. THE HOUSE NEXT TO IT WITH THE METAL ROOF WAS, DID C O E GET ISSUED FOR THAT? WAS THAT DONE UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE MULTIPLE ROOFS YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT? YEP. UM, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. SO THAT'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? UHHUH. , UM, . I THINK YOUR CONTRACTOR NEEDS TO MAKE IT RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO RIGHT HERE. YOUR CONTRACTOR NEEDS TO MAKE IT RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU HAVE A LEG TO STAND ON ON ENSURING THAT HE DOES. MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I CONCUR WITH THAT AND, AND THAT'S WHY I SECONDED. UH, COMMISSIONER GRU'S MOTION. I THINK THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE, THE SIDING WE'VE BEEN SEEING WAY TOO MUCH OF THE ROOF VIOLATIONS TAKING PLACE LIKE THIS. AND THE WORD HAS GOT TO GET OUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND I THINK YOUR, YOUR, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR SHOULD STEP UP AND TAKE CARE OF THIS FOR YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. I HAVE A ROLL CALL. VOTE SAVINO. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER NAY, FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. AGENDA ITEM 18 I ITEM 18 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH OH 5 2 2 2 5 LINDELL PLACE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY APPROXIMATELY 560 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION THAT INCLUDES 221 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE, A 262 SQUARE FOOT SCREENED IN PORCH, AND A 76 SQUARE FOOT OPEN PORCH. TWO TO CONSTRUCT AN 87 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THREE, REPLACE FOUR WOOD WINDOWS WITH SALVAGE WOOD WINDOW SYSTEMS. AND FOUR, REPLACE TWO ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH A FIXED SQUARE WINDOW AND A FIXED CLA STORY WINDOW. OOPS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO CONSTRUCTION OF REAR AND NORTH ADDITIONS BASED ON FINDING A THROUGH H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ROOF FORM THAT CREATES A SMOOTH TRANSITION BETWEEN THE PROPOSED GABLE ROOF FORM AND THE SHED ROOF THAT THE APPLICANT WITH THE SAME EXPOSURE IS FOUND ON THE HISTORIC CORE OF THE HOUSE AND UTILIZE A TRIM PIECE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OLD AND NEW, AND THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSE A ONE OVER ONE, ONE OVER ONE WINDOW OR PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED FIXED WINDOWS ON THE REAR. ADDITION STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE OR REPLACING FOUR WOOD WINDOWS WITH SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS SYSTEMS BASED ON FINDING, I STAFF RECOMMENDS THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, REPLACING TWO ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH A FIXED SQUARE WINDOW AND FIXED CLARA STORY WINDOW BASED ON FINDING J. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, JOHN REYNOLDS ON WEBEX. MY APOLOGIES. LET ME, UM, GRAB YOU HERE, JOHN. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING TODAY? WE'RE FINE, THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WINDOW, UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY'RE STIPULATING ON THE BACK. UM, IT CURRENTLY IS A LARGE WINDOW WITH A TRANSOM WINDOW OVER THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING HOME PICTURES, UM, [01:25:01] WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE PLAN, UH, DEFINITELY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. UH, THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE IS THAT THE WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE REQUESTED TO BE REPLACED WITH SALVAGED WINDOWS. UM, I DO HAVE ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT PICTURES OF THOSE SHOWING EXTENSIVE DAMAGE AND, YOU KNOW, WHY IT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT REPAIR. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE THE BIGGEST QUESTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. YES. PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WE HAVE BARBARA WOOD, HOW IN PERSON, UH, MY NAME IS, IS IT ON? OKAY, IS IT ON? THAT'S ON. OKAY. . UH, MY NAME IS BARBARA WOOD HOWELL AND I, UH, CHAIR THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH IS OUR ITERATION OF ARCHITECTURE REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND, UM, OUR, UM, OUR RESOURCES COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE CASES PUBLISHED ON THE FINAL AGENDA FRIDAY. THAT WAS THE FIRST WE'D HEARD OF IT. AND, UM, SO WE DID NOT HAVE ANY WAY TO REVIEW IT, UH, IN THAT TIMEFRAME. AND ONE OF, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DISCOVER WAS WE FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND CONSIDERING THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF THE ADDITIONS AND EXACTLY WHERE THE CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO BE MADE. THIS WAS IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET. I WAS JUST READING IT AGAIN. WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE ADDITIONS TO BE SHOWN OR PERHAPS HIGHLIGHTED AS BLOCKS OF COLOR ON A FLOOR PLAN TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT. WE SUGGEST THAT THE DRAWINGS OF THE PHOTOS OF EXISTING STRUCTURE BE SHOWN ADJACENT TO THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS, UH, INTERIOR, YOUR CHANGES AREN'T APPROPRIATE. A NORTH ARROW ON THE PLAN WOULD BE HELPFUL TO MORE EASILY UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSED CHANGES. AND AS WE WEREN'T APPROACHED BY THE APPLICANT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO CLARIFY THESE AND OTHER PROPOSED ITEMS. UM, AND I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE WE ARE TOTALLY OPEN TO DOING THESE KIND OF REVIEWS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF THEY DIDN'T, IF THEY KNEW THAT THERE WAS A HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE OR IF, UH, THE STAFF TO DIRECTED THEM TO THAT. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO BE IN A PART OF IT IF, IF THEY WANTED TO BE A PART OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS IS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? I'M SORRY. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE AN OUTER SPACE TO ME, BUT YES, . OH, OKAY. WE WOULD JUST, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE, YEAH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE REAL, WE REALLY WANT AS A, UH, HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO HELP FOLKS WHO WANNA DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO WITH THEIR HOUSES. OKAY. YEAH, TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD. AND, YOU KNOW, GLAD THAT WE HAVE THOSE RESOURCES. UM, WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UM, AND I HAVE ALWAYS JUST WORKED THROUGH THE HISTORICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WITH THE SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. UH, I HAVE NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, TOLD THAT I NEEDED TO WORK WITH ANYONE THROUGH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY. UM, AS FAR AS WHERE THE, UM, WHERE THE AUDITIONS ARE HAPPENING, UH, IN OUR PLAN SET, IT DOES INCLUDE AN AS-BUILT AND THE NEW PROPOSAL. SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE ADDITIONS ARE HAPPENING. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT EXTENSION ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH RUNS WALL TO WALL, UH, AS WELL AS THE MASTER BEDROOM, WHICH WILL BE COMING OUT, UM, FROM THE BACK AS WELL. AND THEN THERE'S A FOYER THAT WILL BE, UH, CLOSED OFF ON THE RIGHT FRONT SIDE. IT'S NOT FACING THE STREET, HOWEVER, IT'S A, IT'S AN INSET ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE CLOSED IN AS AN ENTRYWAY. AND THAT IS RIGHT THERE IN THAT PICTURE. I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, MR. REYNOLDS, UM, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STIPULATIONS OR JUST ARE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE WINDOWS. SO YOU'RE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. NO, WE AGREE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS OTHER THAN THE, UH, THE WINDOWS. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN OR HOW I COULD DO THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WINDOWS, UM, THAT I DO BELIEVE, I DO BELIEVE ARE BEYOND REPAIR. THE SASHES ARE TOTALLY ROTTEN. THE GLASS IS, YOU KNOW, SEPARATING. UM, THE FRAMING ITSELF HAS BEEN DETERIORATED. UH, YOU COULD TELL THAT IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS OF PEOPLE DOING PATCH JOBS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY REPAIRING THEM. SO THAT'S ITEM THREE OF THE FOUR WINDOWS. SO YOU ALSO ARE OKAY WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION ITEM FOUR. SO ITEM FOUR, IF YOU COULD SHOW A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THE HOME, WE ARE PROPOSING ESSENTIALLY THE SAME WINDOW. UH, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT LARGER, [01:30:02] UM, WHERE IT, IT LOOK EXCEPT FOR INSTEAD OF HAVING THE MIDDLE SECTION, UM, IT WOULD JUST BE A, A CLEAR STORY WINDOW. THE ARCHITECT PUT IN THE SASHES FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT ON THE EXISTING HOME, UH, YOU CAN SEE A GOOD IDEA YOU'RE REPLACING TWO EXISTING 1 0 1 WITH A FIXED SQUARE. ARE YOU SURE? IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING? SO NO MA'AM. IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE, IF SOMEONE COULD PULL UP THE BACK, UH, PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY LIKE THAT. THE, AS AS IT CURRENTLY IS, THE WINDOWS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AREN'T ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH SHE'S, SO FOR ITEM FOUR, IT'S THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS ON, SORRY, LET ME BRING UP THE THING AGAIN. SOUTH ELEVATION. UM, OKAY, WE HAVE TWO, TWO ISSUES, RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE WHERE YOU DON'T WANNA REPLACE WINDOWS YOU WANNA REPAIR, AND THEN ONE WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS A SPECIFIC STYLE OF WINDOW ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. THERE ARE THREE WINDOW ITEMS ON HERE. SO, UM, STAFF HAS, UH, RECOMMENDED A STIPULATION THAT YOU PROPOSE A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONFLATING HERE, WHICH IS THAT YES, THE, THAT'S THE TWO, THE SIDE BY SIDE GANGED FIXED WINDOWS, UM, DON'T CONFORM TO GUIDELINES FOR, UH, NEW WINDOWS ON ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW THERE, OR A PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WHERE YOU'RE REQ REQUESTING TO REPLACE TWO ONE OVER ONE WIN WOOD WINDOWS WITH TWO FIXED WINDOWS. ONE THAT'S SQUARE AND ONE THAT'S A CLARA STORY WINDOW. OKAY. I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. SO IF YOU COULD JUST POINT TO ME ON THE EXISTING HOME, WHICH ONE YOU'RE QUESTIONING FIRST, AND THEN I CAN LET YOU KNOW ONE BY ONE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. SO YOU'VE PROPOSED, SORRY, IT CUT OUT WHOEVER WAS SPEAKING. JUST HOLD ON ONE SECOND. SO ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WHERE IT SAYS HAS THESE TWO FIXED WINDOWS, THERE'S A LARGE FIXED SQUARE WINDOW AND THEN A FIXED CLARA STORY WINDOW ON THAT ELEVATION, THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING TO REPLACE WITH THESE FIXED WINDOWS. THAT'S WHAT ITEM FOUR IS, UH, TAKING ISSUE WITH. OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING SO IN THE BATHROOM, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I CAN LOOK AT THE FLOOR PLAN, BUT IT'S ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. OKAY. IT'S WHERE, IT'S WHERE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW? YEAH. IT'S WHERE THE CURRENT MASTER BEDROOM IS BEING CHANGED INTO THE MASTER BATH. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU DON'T, SO YOU WANT THE, THE ONE, THE TRANSOM YOU'RE OKAY WITH, BUT THE ONE PICTURE FRAME WINDOW IS WHAT YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH. I THINK NONE OF STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IT AGAINST EITHER. EITHER. AND THAT'S REMOVING. UH, JESSICA, CAN YOU SHOW WHERE IS THE ADDITION? IS THAT HOLD THE ADDITION? THE ADDITION IS THIS AT THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN? THAT'S THE NEW, SO THAT ROOF FORM LIKE THAT IS ALREADY EXISTING AND THE ROOF FORM WHERE THE TWO FIXED WINDOWS ARE, IS EXISTING, THE EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT IS NEW CONSTRUCTION. YES. I'LL DO A MOTION MR. CHAIR, JUST TO MOVE ON. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU. I THINK WE NEED A, EITHER A SITE VISIT OR A D R C, JUST TO BE CLEAR WITH THE APPLICANT. I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT, BUT BEFORE EVEN, YOU KNOW, GOING THAT WAY, I THINK THERE'S A MISCOMMUNICATION TO BE REALLY CLEAR ON WHAT WINDOWS I THINK WE SH I WOULD MOVE TO FOR D R C IT COULD BE A SITE VISIT IF YOU FEEL WE WANNA SEE THIS . YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE DO A SITE VISIT THEN. UM, BECAUSE YEAH, I MEAN EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO CONFORM. UH, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENTS ON WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED. SO MR. CHAIR DECIDED THAT WOULD BE BEST, MR. CHAIR? MR. YES MA'AM. CAN WE CLARIFY OR NEXT AVAILABLE. DO YOU WANT ME TO INCLUDE THAT IN MOTION? YES. NO NEXT AVAILABLE DATE'S FINE. AND SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO A SITE? YEAH. SO HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT I'VE, HERE'S WHAT I, I JUST RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE HOMEOWNER. UH, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE SITTING IN ON THIS, UM, FOR THE ROOF. LET'S SEE. UH, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO WITH THE WINDOWS. THEY SAID THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH DOING A ONE OVER ONE BY THE TUB, WHICH WOULD BE THE LARGE FIXED WINDOW AND LEVELING WITH THE SHOWER WINDOW. SO THE SHOWER WINDOW WINDOW, MR. REYNOLDS, IT STILL STANDS WITH THE MOTION, WHICH IS WE DO NOT LIKE TO REMOVE EXISTING WINDOWS NO MATTER WHAT'S BEHIND. SO I DO BELIEVE FOR THE HOMEOWNER'S SITE VISIT WOULD BE BEST 'CAUSE OKAY. I DON'T SEE THIS COMMISSION APPROVING REMOVING EXISTING WINDOWS. YES. PLUS, PLUS [01:35:01] WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS. OKAY. AND WHEN, WHEN ARE WE PROPOSING TO DO THIS NEXT AVAILABLE, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE NEXT WEEK, AND THEN YOU WOULD BE ON THE, THE NEXT MEETING AGENDA, WHICH WOULD BE MARCH 1ST. OKAY. SO, UM, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE IF YOU KNOW. AYE, CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. EZ? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU MR. REYNOLDS, AND SCHEDULE THAT FOR NEXT WEEK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 19. SO WHEN YOU READ IT, MAKE SURE YOU'RE SCROLLING SO THEY CAN SEE THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 19, UM, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 2 4 FOR 4 23 EAST DEWEY PLACE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL TO PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE FAMILY HOME, FAMILY HOUSE AND APARTMENT BUILDING AND UTILITY BUILDING. EXTERIOR MATERIAL. EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE PREDOMINANTLY ROCK VENEER STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST TO PAINT THE UNPAINTED STONE VENEER BASED ON FINDING C THE OWNER MATTHEW LAN IS HERE IN PERSON. YES. WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD? PLEASE FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND, UH, THE PROPERTY MANAGER NORMALLY DOES THIS SORT OF THING FOR ME, SO I'M GOING TO PLEAD, UH, IGNORANCE AND, UH, THROW MY NAIVETE ON THE BOARD. MY NAME'S MATTHEW LANKENAU, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING UP MORE OF YOUR TIME THAN I SHOULD. AND AS WE WALK OUT HERE, I WANT TO, UH, WORK WITH STAFF AND HAVE A PATH FORWARD SO WE CAN TURN THIS INTO, UH, A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. SO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY JUST IN GENERAL IS, UH, IT WAS A DILAPIDATED, A DILAPIDATED, UM, BORDERLINE CRACK HOUSE, FRANKLY. UM, IT WAS TERRIBLE. UH, I, I LITERALLY REMOVED EIGHT BINS, THE LARGE BINS OF DEBRIS FROM THE, FROM THE HOUSE AFTER IT WAS THEORETICALLY CLEANED OUT BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER. UM, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS HORRIFIC IN MY OPINION. AND SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE GONE THROUGH AND COMPLETELY REPAINTED THE INTERIOR, PUT IN ALL NEW FLOORS, PUT ON A NEW ROOF, REPAIRED THE FOUNDATION, WHICH WAS, UH, WHICH WAS DETERIORATED AND HAD SUNK ACTUALLY FIVE INCHES BECAUSE THERE WERE BROKEN WATER LINES UNDER THE BUILDING. IT WAS FALLING APART A MESS AND A HORRIBLE PLACE FOR ANYONE TO LIVE. MY GOAL IS SIMPLY TO TURN IT INTO A NICE PLACE FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO, TO LIVE. UM, IF YOU GET A, UH, I'M SORRY, THERE AREN'T PICTURES OF THIS. AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M NAIVE TO THE PROCESS. UH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING PAINTING EXTERIOR STONE IS THIS KIND OF RAMSHACKLE ROCK THAT'S VERTICALLY STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND FRANKLY, FRANKLY, AWAY I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. LET'S JUST SAY THE TREND DIDN'T CATCH ON. I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE THE STONE OF COURSE. UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO PAINT IT A MORE APPEALING COLOR SHORT OF A FRANK LLOYD WRIGHT PAINTING VINES. UM, I'D LIKE TO TRY TO TONE IT DOWN AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. UH, WHAT I WANT TO DO ON THE EXTERIOR IS SIMPLY COMPLY WITH THE DUES ON YOUR LIST. UH, EXACTLY. UM, I'D LIKE TO COMPLY WITH SAWS. I'M A LONG-TERM, UH, OWNER HERE IN, UH, IN BEXAR COUNTY. AND, UH, I'D LIKE TO COMPLY WITH THE SAWS GUIDELINES AND PUT IN AS MUCH, UM, TURF SOD AS IS GOING TO BE APPEALING. AND ALSO A, A MUCH OF THE STONE THAT'S RECOMMENDING THE DUES. MY PREFERRED VEGETATION WILL BE LAVENDER, UH, MEXICAN SAGE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE PLANT SHOWED ON THE PREFERRED GUIDELINES. AND ROSEMARY. AND, UH, I THINK WHAT I JUST WANNA DO IS WORK WITH YOU GUYS, TALK TO YOU, GET THE DRAWINGS TOGETHER SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN IMPROVE. AND AGAIN, MY GOAL IS SIMPLY TO TURN THIS, UH, WHAT WAS REALLY NOT A REALLY NICE PLACE FOR ANYONE TO BE INTO A ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF, UH, I PUT ABOUT, UH, $750,000 INTO IT ALREADY, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MENTION THAT, UM, ANY TYPE OF LANDSCAPING WORK WILL BE IN A, WILL BE A FUTURE APPLICATION. UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE ONLY DISCUSSING THE PAINTING OF THE EXTERIOR MASONRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, BRIAN, WOULD YOU PUT A PICTURE OF ONE OF THE MASONRY? RIGHT. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU FOR INVESTING IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE CITY. UM, GENERALLY MASONRY IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE PAINTED. MM-HMM. , I KNOW IT'S BEING [01:40:01] DONE A LOT, UM, TO MAKE THINGS LOOK A LITTLE NEWER AND A LITTLE CLEANER. UM, AND I THINK ACTUALLY PAINTING THIS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING 'CAUSE IT WAS THE, THE STYLE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF AND, UH, ACTUALLY DETRIMENTAL TO POSSIBLY THE STONE BECAUSE, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT STONE AND BRICK ARE NOT RECOMMENDED TO BE PAINTED IS THAT MANY TIMES MOISTURE IS TRAPPED BEHIND THE PAINTING AND BEHIND THE PAINT, AND THEREFORE IT DETERIORATES THE MORTAR AND THE STONE FASTER THAN LETTING IT BREATHE. UM, THAT WASN'T A QUESTION, BUT, UH, IT WAS A COMMENT. SO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMENT. I MEAN, I THINK TO THAT, I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON THIS COMMISSION. UM, SO SIR, I MEAN, WE, I THINK THIS COMMISSION STANDS KIND OF WITH WHAT THE CHAIR SAID. YOU CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW THE REQUEST OR YOU CAN LET US DO A MOTION AND A VOTE. SO, OH, I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, I OPINIONS VARY. IT'S, UH, YOUR HISTORICAL BOARD AND I'VE, UH, I'VE GOT A LONG WAY TO GO TO GET THINGS DONE. RIGHT. SO IF, IF THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT, I'M, WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD THAT YOU WANT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. UM, AND JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS THE, THE STYLE OF STONEWORK HERE IS DRY STACK STONE. SO IT'S TRYING TO DRAW UPON, YOU KNOW, A REGIONAL CHARACTER. YOU GO OUT TO THE HILL COUNTRY, YOU FIND THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY CONTEMPORARY DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, MID-CENTURY MODERN TYPE OF, OF, OF STRUCTURE, UH, EARLY MID-CENTURY MODERN. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, REALLY KINDA A RARE, UH, EXAMPLE WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT LOCAL MATERIALS AND TRYING TO INCORPORATE THEM. UM, I THINK IT'D BE REALLY A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR SOME LOW WATER, UH, LOW PRESSURE WATER CLEANING TO SPRUCE IT UP AND THEN USE THE OR INFILL PANELS TO BRING IN COLOR AND, AND TO, TO REVITALIZE THE APPEARANCE OF THIS. SO I, I WOULD MOVE FOR DENIAL OF PAINTING THE MASONRY. SECOND. SECOND. MOTION A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. SINO. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. ZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 20. APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 4 8 3 22 NORTH HACKBERRY. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL TO REPLACE ALL EXTERIOR WOOD SIDING WITH D 1 0 5 WOOD SIDING. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF ORIGINAL WOOD SIDING WITH PROFILE 1 0 5. SIDING BASED ON FINDING D STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT MATCH THE ORIGINAL PROFILE. THE APPLICANT, NOE GARZA, IS HERE, IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY, AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. I'M SORRY, LET ME . THAT'S ME. NO, ARE YOU THERE MR. GARCIA? YES. OH, GREAT. YES, SIR. YOU MAY PROCEED. OKAY. YES. SO MY, UH, SO WE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, 3 22, UH, NORTH BERRY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE, UH, PHOTOS THAT YOU GUYS ARE, UH, REVIEWING THERE, THE HOUSE, THE ENTIRE HOUSE WAS COVERED IN ASBESTOS SIDING. SO WE, UH, AFTER, UH, WE HAD SOMEBODY REMOVE THE SIDING, WE SAW, WE NOTICED THAT A LOT OF THAT SIDING WAS DAMAGED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THE CONDITION OF THAT SIDING UNTIL THAT ASBESTOS, UH, SIDING SHINGLES WERE REMOVED. SO, UH, AGAIN, WE WALKED AROUND THE HOUSE AND REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN FROM THE STREET, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU COULDN'T TELL, BUT WHEN YOU WALKED AROUND THE HOUSE, YOU COULD SEE A LOT OF DAMAGE. THERE ARE SOME PHOTOS THAT ARE PROVIDED SHOWING THE DAMAGE, UH, ON EACH, PRETTY MUCH EACH OF THE, UH, UH, SIDING. SO I, IN, IN OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, WALKING AROUND AROUND THE WHOLE HOUSE, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY JUST TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE HOUSE WITH, UH, WITH THE 1 0 5. UH, THE RE ONE OF THE REASONS WE, WE DECIDED TO GO TO 1 0 5 BECAUSE IN YOUR REPLACEMENTS SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS, UH, UH, HANDBOOK IS SHE DOES SHOW THE 1 0 5 AS A HISTORIC, UM, UH, SIDING. SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT FIND THE ORIGINAL SIDING AND, UH, BECAUSE WE COULD NOT FIND IT THAT, UH, THAT, I MEAN, WE WENT EVERYWHERE. [01:45:01] I MEAN, I WENT, UH, TO MOST, MOST OF THE, UH, BIG, BIG STORE. WE WENT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT LUMBER COMPANIES AND THEY ALL SAID THAT THAT JUST PARTICULAR EXISTING SIDING DOES NOT EXIST. AND IT'S BEEN REPLACED BY THE 1 0 5. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE 1 0 5. AGAIN, ONE BECAUSE, UH, THE ORIGINAL SITE IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. AND TWO, THE 1 0 5 IS CONSIDERED A, UH, HISTORIC SIGHTING PROFILE. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID, WE DID WHAT WE DID AND, AND WE DROVE AROUND THE NE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND A LOT OF HOUSES HAVE, UH, THAT, UH, HAVE THE, UH, 1 0 5, IN FACT, THE HOUSE, UH, THE NEXT CORNER OF THE, UH, CROCKETT AND OLIVE HAS THE 1 0 5, UH, WHICH IS ON THE SAME SIDE OF OUR CROCKETT AS WE ARE. SO THE HOUSE IS IN THE AREA HALF. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE ENOUGH TO, TO REPLACE THE HOUSE WITH A 1 0 5. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE CORTES. I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WHI HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 4 8, LOCATED AT 3 22 NORTH HACKBERRY. WE AGREE WITH O H P'S RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS ANOTHER PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A DEVELOPER OR OWNER OF A PROPERTY DECIDING TO COMPLETELY IGNORE THE APPROVED H D R C GUIDELINES. THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR HAS TO STOP BECAUSE IF IT IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THESE HISTORIC HOUSES WILL CONTINUE TO BE DESTROYED ONE HOUSE AT A TIME. THE ORIGINAL PROFILE OF THE HOUSE MUST BE REINSTALLED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE, YES. QUICK QUESTION. YES, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. UM, AND THIS IS FOR STAFF. I THINK, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, WHY IS THERE A, THE WATERFALL SIDING INCLUDED IN IMAGE NUMBER 22? IS THAT, IS THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, WHAT THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT, UM, PROPOSED THIS AS A ALTERNATIVE TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, EITHER FIND THE ORIGINAL PROFILE SIDING OR HAVE IT CUSTOM MILLED. OKAY. BUT THIS IS JUST WHAT THE APPLICANT RECOMMENDED OR PROPOSED. ALRIGHT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THEIR PREFERRED. THEY WOULD RATHER DO THE 1 0 5? CORRECT. AND YES. AND FOR THE APPLICANT, ARE YOU WANTING TO DO THE, THE FIVE INCH 1 0 5 OR ARE YES. YES. THE FIVE INCH? YES. UH, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. FIVE AND A HALF. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, IF YOU GO TO PHOTO NUMBER NINE, THERE APPEARS TO BE SOME HISTORIC SIDING ON THE BAY WINDOW. IT, DOES THAT STILL EXIST? UH, YES, THAT'S STILL THERE. UH, ACTUALLY, UH, WE JUST KIND OF WENT ACCORDING TO, UH, THE EMAIL THAT WE RECEIVED THAT, UH, THERE WAS A VIOLATION. SO PART OF THAT, UH, EMAIL SAID THAT WE HAD TO STOP WHAT, ANYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING AT THAT TIME. SO THAT'S WHY THAT IS STILL THERE. YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER HISTORIC SIDING ON THE HOUSE OR HAS THE, THE BALANCE OF IT BEEN REMOVED? UH, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN REMOVED EXCEPT FOR THAT FRONT SIDE. OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THAT HISTORIC SIDING ON SITE OR HAS IT ALL BEEN, UH, DISPOSED OF? I'M SORRY, BREAKING UP. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE OLD SIDING STILL ON SITE OR HAS IT ALL BEEN DISPOSED OF? IT'S BEEN DISPOSED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO TAKE A SAMPLE OF THAT SIDING AND THEN RE MILL A NEWER SIGHTING TO MATCH IT. EXACTLY RIGHT. YEAH. YES, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO YES OR, UH, YEAH, WE DID, WE DID LOOK INTO THAT AND, UH, IT, IT, AND I MEAN WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT, UH, KNOW, TRIPLE, YOU KNOW, QUADRUPLE THE PRICE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER, OVER $30,000 JUST, JUST TO HAVE THAT MAILED. MR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS. YES. THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO REQUIRE REPLACEMENT WITH A, LET'S SEE, OH NO, SORRY. OH, YES, YES. TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT ACCEPT THE 1 0 5. SO, UM, AN ADDITIONAL NOTE TO MATCH THE PROFILE OF THE ORIGINAL SECOND. CAN WE JUST ADD THAT NO MORE SITING BE REMOVED? SO THE SIDING THAT'S ON PROPERTY AS CURRENT IS GONNA BE REPAIRED UNLESS THEY COME [01:50:01] BACK. AND ITEM TWO THAT NO FURTHER SITING BE REMOVED UNLESS, UH, UNTIL AFTER STAFF CONSULTATION. I'M JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL, UM, THERE WAS A SECOND, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , I MEAN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS TO REPAIR SIGHTING. SO YOU, MR. GARCIA WENT FROM REPAIRING SIGHTING TO REMOVING 95% OF THE SITING. SO WHETHER YOU THINK THAT'S REPAIRABLE OR NOT, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT OF WHAT'S REPAIRABLE OR NOT. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU DO NOT REMOVE ANY MORE SITING. UM, 'CAUSE YOU, I MEAN YOU THINK NEED AS MUCH AS THE ORIGINAL SITING ON THE HOUSE AS POSSIBLE AND ALLOW ME TO ADD ALL SIDING, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE FISH SCALE IN THE GABLE ENDS SECOND STANCE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. SUBPOENA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. THATOR. AYE. RUSSIAN CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 21. THAT ME SECOND. THAT MEANS THAT'S RIGHT HERE. SHOW. NO, WELL WE HAVE TO DO THIS. AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 21, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 3 6 4 53 CLUB. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL TO INSTALL A METAL SECURITY DOOR WITH PERFORATED METAL SCREEN IN FRONT OF THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST TO INSTALL THE SCREEN DOOR BASED ON FINDING B STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT INSTALL A WOOD SCREEN DOOR WITH A FABRIC MESH THAT IS MOSTLY TRANSPARENT. THE APPLICANT LINDA SMITH IS HERE IN PERSON AND THERE ARE SIX VOICEMAILS. AND ONE COMMENT FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. SO MA'AM, IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND COME UP THEN AFTER YOU PRESENT WE WILL HAVE, UM, THE FOLKS WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON GO FIRST AND THEN THE VOICEMAILS. UM, I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GONNA OH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR THE PICTURE. UM, I'M LINDA SMITH AND I LIVE AT 4 35 CLUB DRIVE WITH MY HUSBAND FRANK RODRIGUEZ. AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, TWO YOUNG BOXERS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH BOXER DOGS, BUT THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE. UM, WE MOVED HERE FROM DRIPPING SPRINGS AND, UM, I'VE ALWAYS HAD, UH, SCREEN DOORS JUST FOR FRESH AIR CIRCULATION. AND WE LIVED WITH, UM, OUR DAUGHTER, UM, ON JEFFERSON STREET FOR FOUR MONTHS WHILE WE WERE LOOKING FOR A HOUSE. UM, SHE HAD THREE, UM, METAL SCREEN DOORS AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE THE MOST WONDERFUL INVENTION EVER BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY STRONG, BUT YET THE AIR FLOWS THROUGH THEM AND THE DOGS DID NOT CREATE ANY DAMAGE. UH, WHEN WE HAD THE NORMAL SCREENS, UM, EVERY SIX MONTHS THERE WERE TEARS AND REPAIRS TO BE MADE. SO, UM, WE SETTLED INTO OUR NEW HOUSE ON CLUB DRIVE AND WE TOOK OUR DOGS FOR LOTS OF WALKS AND WE NOTICED THAT MANY OF THE HOMES HAD THE METAL SCREEN DOORS. AND SO WE, UH, DECIDED WELL THAT WOULD, UM, FIT OUR HOUSE JUST FINE. AND, UH, THERE WAS, UM, A PICTURE OF THE HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THAT AGAIN, BUT THE DOOR THAT THERE IT IS, IT'S KIND OF A CREAM, UM, STONE. THE DOOR THAT WE ORDERED, UM, IS ALSO A, IT WAS CALLED NAVAJO WHITE, WHICH IS A CREAM. AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD, UM, LOOK GOOD WITH THE, UM, STONE. AND WE NOTICED OTHER, UM, HOUSES WITH THAT STONE, UH, HAD THE CREAM COLORED, UM, METAL SCREEN DOORS. SO WE ORDERED ONE FROM HOME DEPOT. UM, IT, UM, IT WAS DELIVERED, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW ANY BETTER. WE WOULD'VE PUT IT UP, BUT IT WAS TOO SHORT. SO, AND IT ALSO HAD THE PERFORATED, UH, METAL, WHICH ALLOWS AIR THROUGH, AND THOSE ARE LITTLE ROUND HALLS. SO THE STAFF, I THINK GOT IT WRONG. IT, IT'S NOT PERFORATED METAL AT ALL. IT IS, UH, A FINE WIRE SCREEN ON THE DOOR. AND, UM, I'M SEEN BEHIND IT HOLDING IT SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS, UM, TRANSPARENT THAT AND CAN, IT CAN BE SEEN THROUGH. SO, UM, ANYWAY, UH, IT WAS TOO SHORT. WE HAD TO SPECIAL ORDER A DOOR AND THE COST OF THAT WAS $1,500, WHICH IS CONSIDERABLE FOR US. BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD LOOK NICE. UH, IT WOULD HELP THE LIVABILITY OF THE HOME BY HAVING, UM, SCREEN THAT FRESH AIR CAN COME THROUGH. UH, WE HAVE A SUNROOM AT THE BACK, UH, WITH FOUR WINDOWS THAT OPEN. THEY'RE VERY LARGE WINDOWS. IT WAS [01:55:01] AN ADDITION, SO WE WOULD HAVE FRESH AIR COMING FROM THE, UH, SOUTH THROUGH THE NORTH OR VICE VERSA, WHICHEVER WAY IT WAS BLOWING. SO IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US AND IT REALLY, IT DIDN'T OCCUR TO ME THAT IT WOULD NEED AN APPROVAL. THERE WERE SO MANY OTHER, UH, METAL SCREEN DOORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. AND SO, UM, AND, AND WHEN I KIND OF HIT THE YELLOW, CAUTION LIGHT IS WHEN I GOT A DOOR HANGER PROBABLY WITHIN THIS PAST MONTH. AND IT DESCRIBED ALL OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDED APPROVAL. SO AT THAT POINT I REALIZED, WELL, WE BETTER BE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S READY AND THEY'VE CALLED US TO HAVE IT, UM, INSTALLED, THAT WE SHOULD COME AND, UM, TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT AND HOPEFULLY GET APPROVAL BEFORE WE PROCEEDED. UM, SO, UH, JUST TO RECAP, UH, THE REASON THAT WE WANTED THE SCREEN DOORS, UM, OUR SECURITY, WE CAN OPEN THE BIG WOODEN DOOR AND NOT BE CONCERNED. UM, BUT THE SCREEN DOOR WOULD BE LOCKED. UM, OUR DOG SECURITY, WHICH, BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST, THEY'RE BOXERS, THEY CAN GO THROUGH A, JUST A NORMAL SCREEN AND WE CAN WORK OUT IN THE FRONT YARD AND THEY CAN WATCH US. AND, UM, SO THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION. AND THEN TO HAVE A BREEZE THROUGH THE HOUSE, WHICH WILL HELP CONSERVE ENERGY BY JUST NOT HAVING TO HAVE THE AC ON. A LOT OF THE WINDOWS IN THE OLDER HOME, UH, DON'T OPEN. SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE US THE OPENING WE NEED. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR TIME FOR ME TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS. AND, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER 'EM. THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW HAVE VOICEMAILS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FOR SUP IN SUPPORT. UM, THE FIRST IS DAVID, UH, MONTEJANO. DID YOU WANNA SPEAK, SIR? I SUPPORT MY NEIGHBOR. I COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. SORRY. I'M SORRY. AND THEN, UM, UH, LIKE, UH, LIKE LINDA SMITH, I ALSO JUST RECENTLY MOVED TO SAN ANTONIO. UH, SORRY, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FIRST? I'M SORRY, I INTERRUPTING YOU. OH, MY NAME IS DR. DAVID MONTEJANO. UH, UNTIL A FEW MONTHS AGO, I WAS LIVING IN BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA FOR SOME 20 YEARS. I'M A NATIVE SAN ANTONIO. I'VE COME BACK HOME. UM, I COME BACK HOME AND BOUGHT A HOUSE IN THE MONTICELLO HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM, I, I HAVE TO, I'M AMAZED AT THE PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE SET UP HERE. THERE HAS TO BE A FRIENDLIER PROCESS. I MEAN, I, I, YOU KNOW, I I'VE BEEN DINGED ALREADY MYSELF NOT REALIZING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, DO PLANTING WITHOUT GETTING APPROVAL. I MEAN, OR PUT A, A NICE SCREEN ON MY PORCH IN ANY CASE. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION OF YOUR STAFF FEELING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH YOUR HOMEOWNERS, UH, THEIR PAID STAFF. SOMETIMES I THINK THEY SHOULD DO THE RESEARCH RATHER THAN PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE HOMEOWNER. I HAD TO FIND OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE PORCH THAT THEY WANTED ME TO TAKE DOWN WAS PART OF THE HISTORIC DESIGN OF THE, OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, WHY DO I HAVE TO DO THAT KIND OF RESEARCH? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. UH, IS IT ISHA RODRIGUEZ? SUPPORT, SUPPORT. JUST IN SUPPORT. OKAY. AND NOW THE VOICEMAILS. HELLO, MY NAME IS SCOTT THOMAS. I LIVE AT 4 4 7 CLUB DRIVE 7 8 2 0 1. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO 2 6 9 9 0. UM, I APPROVE THEIR, THEIR FRONT SCREEN DOOR. I THINK IT'S ADORABLE. YES, THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM 21 4 5 3 CLUB DRIVE. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 3 6. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I'M CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE M P N A AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR SEEKING TO IMPROVE THEIR HISTORIC HOME. WE NOTE THE HOME LOCATED AT 4 53 CLUB DRIVE WAS BUILT IN 1935 AND ITS ARCHITECT IS NATHANIEL STRAUSS NAFA. THE HOME IS LOCATED WITHIN A SERIES OF SEVEN NAFA HOMES ON THE FOUR AND 500 BLOCKS OF CLUB DRIVE. THESE HOMES ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF CAMPTON BOULEVARD. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE NOTE THAT THE INTRODUCTION OF METAL ON A SCREEN DOOR SHOULD SEEK TO COMPLIMENT [02:00:01] THE EXISTING METAL PRESENT ON THE FRONT DOOR'S WINDOW AND THE METAL RAILING ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE HOME, WHICH IS VISIBLE IN THE PHOTOS SUBMITTED. METAL MESH SCREEN ON SCREEN DOORS IS NOT A MATERIAL ORIGINAL TO A HISTORIC DISTRICT. HOWEVER, WE NOTE THAT IT IS PRESENT IN SOME HOMES PRIOR TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION. IT WAS INSTALLED. WE HOPE THE APPLICANT CONSIDERS ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS AS MENTIONED BY STAFF. AND ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE SALVAGE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO SEEK TO REPURPOSE OTHER SCREEN DOORS, UM, LIKE AT LOCAL BUSINESSES. WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. HI, YES, MY NAME IS KIM BISHOP. I LIVE ON NORTH DRIVE AND I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF MY NEIGHBORS AT 4 5 3 CLUB DRIVE FOR THEM TO BE ALLOWED TO GET THAT BEAUTIFUL PERIOD METAL SCREEN DOOR THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THEIR HOUSE SO THEY CAN OPEN THEIR DOOR AND HAVE BREEZE AND THEIR DOGS DON'T GET OUT. THE WOOD DOOR JUST IS NOT SUFFICIENT. THE DOOR THEY CHOSE IS BEAUTIFUL AND I'M IN COMPLETE SUPPORT OF IT AND SO IS MY HUSBAND LUIS. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS ABEL SENIO. I LIVE AT FIVE 11 FUR DRIVE AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO CASE NUMBER 26 9 9 0. I BELIEVE IT'S A METAL, UH, STORM DOOR. AND UM, I HAD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE DOOR, UH, TO KEEP THEIR DOGS IN IN THE HOUSE AND, UH, TO HAVE A BREEZE COME THROUGH FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK. AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, UH, I'LL BE WILLING TO ANSWER ANYTHING AND WE CAN EVEN CHANGE COLOR. HI, THIS IS ISHA RODRIGUEZ, I ASIDE AT TWO 11 THOMAS JEFFERSON DRIVE. AND I DO DRIVE A DOWN CLUB EVERY DAY. I'M IN FAVOR OF BETWEEN DOORS THAT IS, UM, WANTING TO BE INSTALLED AT FOUR FIVE FOOD CLUB AS IT WILL PROVIDE SAFETY AND SECURITY, I BELIEVE TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE PETS, UM, WHILE ADDING, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, CURB APPEAL AS WELL. AND IT LOOKS, UH, IT WILL LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN THE A BROKEN WINDOW THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. UM, THERE ARE MANY MIDDLE SCREEN DOORS, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON SUB DRIVE, SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE MY SUPPORT. AND THE CASE NUMBER IS 2 6 9 9 0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THIS IS REGARDING CASE NUMBER 2 6 9 9 0. THIS IS CAROLYN THOMAS. I LIVE NEXT DOOR AT 4 4 5 CLUB DRIVE AND UM, I REALLY LIKE THE SCREEN DOOR THAT THEY'VE HAD MADE FOR THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, LINDA AND FRANK SMITH. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY NICE AND I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, MS. LINDA SMITH, DID YOU ALREADY INSTALL IT? NO, NO. ONCE I SAW THAT DOOR HANGER I DIDN'T. SO, BUT HOW DID YOU GET THE DOOR HANGER? WHO CALLED IT IN? OR MAYBE THAT'S THE STAFF. LIKE WHY WAS THERE DOOR? I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT. OH, UM, DID THEY PUT THOSE IN OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD? OH, THE HISTORIC HOME. OH, THE, THAT ONE? YES. OH, OKAY. AND IT WAS ON MY DOORKNOB AND, UM, COINCIDE. SO AFTER STARTED READ IT, I THOUGHT, OH, WELL I GUESS I BETTER SUBMIT. SO HOW DO YOU PLAN ON INSTALLING IT? IS THERE, IS, IS IT GONNA BE INSTALLED ON THE EXISTING DOOR FRAME? IS THERE GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL WOOD FRAME AROUND METAL FRAME? UM, THE WAY THE DOOR'S BUILT, IT'S SET IN AND THERE'S A, A FRAME THAT CREAM COLORED WOOD AND, UM, IT'LL BE PROFESSIONALLY INSTALLED ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING TWO INCH WOOD FRAME THAT'S THERE IS, I'M ASSUMING, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSIONS, BUT AG AGAIN, IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, A WHOLE SETBACK FROM THE WOOD DOOR, IT'S LIKE THIS WIDE IN ROOM TO PUT THAT ON AND IT'S GONNA HAVE, UM, LIKE A LITTLE BRACE SO IT DOESN'T BLOW BACK OPEN. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO EXPENSIVE AND IT HAS ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES. THANK YOU MR. I HAVE A QUICK YEAH. THANK YOU AND WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD . JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON THE INSTALLATION. YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO ALTER THE HARDWARE ON THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR IN ANY WAY, ARE YOU? OH, NO. NO. OKAY. BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE PROPOSED SCREEN DOOR AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS HARDWARE, DOORKNOBS, PULLS AND THAT KIND OF THING. HAVE YOU MADE SURE THAT [02:05:01] YOU HAVE ENOUGH CLEARANCE AND THERE'S NO CONFLICT WITH THE HISTORIC HARDWARE ON THE EXISTING DOOR? RIGHT. UM, BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAME OUT TO MEASURE IN THE FIRST DOOR THAT WAS DELIVERED, IT WAS TOO SHORT. AND SO THEY, UH, TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO MEASURE IT. AND, UM, AGAIN, I, WE DOUBLE CHECKED. IT'S ON, I GUESS THE PART OF THE WOOD THAT'S MEANT TO DO THAT SORT OF THING. IT DOESN'T TOUCH THE WOODEN DOOR, THE BROWN DOOR. YEAH. BUT, UM, SO THERE'S ENOUGH CLEARANCE BETWEEN THAT SCREEN DOOR AND THE EXISTING DOOR SO THE HARDWARES DON'T CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER, THE HANDLES. OH, OR HANDLES. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT SCREEN DOOR, I MEAN IT HAS A LOCK AND JUST A SMALL FLAT HANDLE ON THE OUTSIDE, AWAY FROM THE, UH, WOODEN DOOR. THERE'S NO HANDLE ON THE EDGE, BUT THERE'S NOT A POLE KNOB, NO KIND OF THING. OKAY. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD GET THIS REPAINTED TO BE DARKER IN COLOR TO MATCH THE EXISTING METAL WORK THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR FRONT PORCH AND ALSO MAKE IT RECEDE BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE? BECAUSE, OH, I THINK WITH IT BEING THE, THE CREAM, I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT THE LIMESTONE, BUT IT ALSO MAKES IT MUCH MORE PROMINENT. MM-HMM. AND THAT DOOR IS DARK AND RECEDES BACK. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE IF YOU WENT DARKER WITH THAT. NOT ONLY WITH THE EXISTING METAL WORK THERE, BUT ALSO WITH THE DARK WOOD OF THE DOOR ITSELF. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THEY CAN REPAINT THAT DOOR? UM, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE POWER COATS AND HIGH PERFORMANCE CO UH, COATINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. UM, I COULD, I COULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT WOULD BE THE COLOR OF THE BROWN DOOR AND NOT THE CREAM. RIGHT. GO DARKER. RIGHT. SO IT DISAPPEARS A LITTLE BIT MORE OR LESS PROMINENT. RIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, JUST WALKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE SAW SEVERAL HOMES WITH THAT SORT OF FINISH THAT HAD THE CREAM. SO I THOUGHT, OH, THAT LOOKS NICE. BUT IF THAT'S CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL, UH, WE'LL TRY TO GET IT PAINTED. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXISTING METAL WORK THAT'S DARK AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE TRADITIONAL FINISH WOULD'VE TRIED TO RECALL LIKE THE HAND HAMMERED, UH, YOU KNOW, WROUGHT IRON AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN DARKER. AND WHILE THERE IS THE EXISTENCE OF SCREEN DOORS THAT ARE THE CREAM COLOR, I THINK THEY KINDA STAND OUT PRETTY PROMINENTLY. UM, AND SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, RESPOND TO YOUR NEED HERE. AND I KNOW IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO HAVE THE, THE BREEZES FLOW THROUGH. YOU'RE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARK AND THE SCHOOL SO THAT YOU'LL GET THAT, UH, THAT BENEFIT. BUT I THINK TO REDUCE THE, THE, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THAT, I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING DARKER WITH THE METALWORK IF IT'S POSSIBLE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. ALRIGHT. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I HAVE A MOTION, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO AN EXTRA QUESTION TO THAT. THE MESH ON THAT. IS THE MESH BEIGE OR, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT PERFORATED METAL, IT'S JUST LIKE SCREEN, RIGHT? SO IS THAT PAINTED AS WELL? RIGHT. IT'S THE SAME COLOR OF THE FRAME. IT'S THAT THEY CALL IT NAVAJO WHITE, WHICH MAKES IT A CREAM. SO THE, THEY DID PAINT THE SCREEN OR THAT'S IT, IT IS THAT COLOR THE WHOLE DOOR. 'CAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER SOLUTION. IS THE SCREEN IS THE DARK PART TOO. COULD BE. 'CAUSE THAT'S AN EASIER REPLACEMENT. YEAH. I WOULD RECOMMEND BOTH THE SCREEN AND THE FRAME OF THE, OF THE, OF THE SCREEN DOOR BE DARKER THAN COLORED COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YES. UH, SO I'M, I'LL TRY TO MAKE A MOTION HERE. UH, I MOVE THAT THE DOOR BE APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT IS NON-INTRUSIVE IN DESIGN, COLOR OR INSTALLATION, UH, TO THE CURRENT, UH, FIXTURE THERE. AND, UH, IT IS EASILY REMOVABLE. I'LL SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? NO. AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS ALSO WHY I SUPPORT THE MOTION IS, UM, I DUNNO HOW MUCH PURVIEW YOU HAVE OVER PAINT COLORS, BUT I THINK YOU GET THE MESSAGE OF WHAT WE WANNA SAY IS LIKE, MAKE IT LESS VISUAL. UM, IT IS REVERSIBLE AND I'M KIND OF TORN BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE THOSE KIND OF, I MEAN, IF IT IS INSTALLED RIGHT, YOU'VE PUT IN A BIG INVESTMENT IN A GOOD QUALITY DOOR AND, AND I THINK I TRUST THAT IT WILL BE INSTALLED RIGHT. UM, THAT IT IS REVERSIBLE. OKAY. AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT CALLED IN AND SUPPORT. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. THAT AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 22. WE WILL NEED TO TAKE A SHORT BREAK. WE'VE LOST QUORUM. FIVE MINUTE BREAK. YES. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 22. [02:10:02] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 4 5. THIS IS FOR 9 22 NOLAN. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPRO APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 12 BY 20 BY NINE FEET SHED ON A SLAB FOUNDATION. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE H D R C. IF THE H D R C FEELS COMPELLED TO TAKE ACTION BASED ON THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED SIDING AND WINDOWS BE UPDATED TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ACCURATE MEASURED DRAWINGS AND A SITE PLAN TO ILLUSTRATE THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK. THE APPLICANT, JERRY WOLF, IS HERE IN PERSON. AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL, ONE COMMENT FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW YOU. YES. IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. I'M, UH, DREW WARWICK. I'M THE RECENT HOMEOWNER. I BOUGHT THE HOUSE LAST MONTH. SO, UH, OA PROPERTIES IS NOT THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER ANYMORE. I BOUGHT IT FROM HIM. AND I'M JERRY WOLF. I'M THE BUILDER FOR THE STORAGE SHED. THANK YOU. WOLF SHEDS. SO, UM, DO Y'ALL UNDERSTAND STAFF'S COMMENTS THAT YES AND NO. OKAY. YES. UH, WE DIDN'T PUT THE EXACT TYPE OF SIDING, BUT IT IS THE HORIZONTAL HARDY, WHICH IS THEIR RECOMMENDING THE WINDOWS. I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU WANT WOOD WINDOWS? WE CAN, I'VE TALKED WITH MY HOMEOWNER. WE CAN DO WOOD WINDOWS. IT'S IN THE BACK. I DON'T SEE HOW VINYL WINDOWS WOULD EVEN BE SEEN BY ANYBODY. IT'S A BIGGER EXPENSE FOR WOODEN WINDOWS WHEN THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED SEEN FROM THE FRONT. BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO GET A WOOD OPTION WINDOW TO MATCH THE, THE CODE. SURE. AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN, I DID A NEW SITE PLAN AND IT SHOULD BE UPDATED SINCE THIS WAS, THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. SHOWS ALL THE MEASUREMENTS, UH, PRETTY DETAILED MEASUREMENTS. HOW FAR FROM THE HOUSE, HOW FAR FROM THE FENCE, HOW FAR WHICH MEETS ALL SETBACKS. UH, WHICH WAS NOT ON THE PREVIOUS, UH, OUR, THE PREVIOUS ONE. SO I'VE UPDATED THAT. SO I, OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, SHELLY. HAVE THE VOICEMAIL. VOICEMAIL. HELLO, THIS IS VALERIE CORFE, RESIDING AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZEN OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 20 23 4 5, NOT LOCATED AT 9 22. NO, WE AGREE WITH O'S RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL. IF THE APPLICANT HASN'T SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY H C R C, HE OR SHE SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED WITH APPROVAL. IN ADDITION, THE SIDING MUST MEET H B R C GUIDELINES AND FINAL WINDOWS SHOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE ALLOWED. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. UH, WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY CAME TO US, UM, ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO, WE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CHANGES THAT WERE REQUIRED UNDER THE PREVIOUS OWNER THAT IS LISTED HERE ON THE, THE SHEET, THE COVER SHEET. UM, WERE ALL OF THOSE CHANGES MADE THAT WERE REQUIRED AT THAT TIME? LIKE A NEW REQUEST? UM, SO THIS IS FOR A NEW REQUEST. I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE, UM, PREVIOUS APPLICATION, UM, FOR THIS NEW, UH, REQUEST THOUGH. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, UM, THAT'S WHAT I WAS FOCUSING ON FOR THIS ONE. AND YEAH, THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS EXPECTING. UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PROPERTIES ARE FLIPPED OFTEN AND THE NEW OWNER IS, UM, SADDLED WITH INCOMPLETE WORK AND, UM, NON-CONFORMING WORK. WELL, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. WE, I WENT TO THAT SITE VISIT AND I REMEMBER THIS CASE REALLY VIVID. I DON'T THINK WE EVER DISCUSSED AN EXTENSION OF THE DRIVEWAY. WHAT WE MADE THE PREVIOUS OWNER WAS TO RE TO REDO THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW ON, UH, IT'S THE, WE GO TO PICTURE NINE. THAT WAS BECAUSE HE HAD EX IT WAS THE SIZE AND WHERE IT WAS, AND ACTUALLY A FENCE WAS GONNA BE UP RIGHT THERE. , EXCUSE ME. THE, I WAS PART OF ALL OF THAT AS WELL. AND I KNOW THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE DECIDED AND THAT WERE CODIFIED WITH THE C O A, UM, THAT DIDN'T GET DONE. I NEVER SAID THE DRIVEWAY FRONT DOOR. SORRY, I SAID YOU, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE'S ITEMS LISTED IN THIS CASE. OH, UH, THAT WERE LISTED IN THIS CASE. IF I DID, I WAS MISTAKEN. IF I DID, I WAS MISTAKEN. MY, MY CONCERN IS, [02:15:01] UM, HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD PROVING NEW THINGS WHEN WE HAVE OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT WERE NOT COMPLETED BEFORE. AND I'M ASKING STAFF HOW IS THAT ADDRESSED? THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR CORY OR FOR EDWARD. IT, I BELIEVE THE, THE VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FRONT DOOR. UH, COMMISSIONERS, YOU STIPULATED THAT THE FRONT DOOR FEATURE NON FROSTED GLASS, UM, FROM WHAT STAFF CAN TELL, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HASN'T BEEN ADJUSTED OR FIXED. THANK YOU. AND I IT TO BE CLEAR, IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, THESE THINGS, THESE NON-CONFORMING ITEMS OFTENTIMES STAY WITH THE NEW OWNER AND IT'S INCONSISTENT HOW STAFF AS WELL AS H D R C ENFORCE THOSE CHANGES MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE WEREN'T AWARE OF THEM. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT FENCE. ARE YOU GONNA KEEP THAT FENCE AND THEN JUST CONTINUE THE DRIVEWAY? UM, WITH THE SAME SIZE AS WELL, MA'AM, THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T A FENCE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. THERE'S A POST THERE, BUT THE FENCE WAS NEVER MADE. OKAY. THERE WAS A POST AND THAT POST HELPED US INDICATE AS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WAS GONNA END. THE, THE CURRENT CONCRETE SLAB WAS GONNA END. SO IT'S GONNA GO PAST THAT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, MA'AM. AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA CONTINUE ONE STRAIGHT LINE, NOT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. MA'AM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. SO STAFF, DOES IT FALL UPON, UH, THE NEW HOMEOWNER TO COMPLY WITH THE PREVIOUS REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE STIPULATED A YEAR AGO? I MEAN, TYPICALLY YEAH. THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS NO LONGER IN COM IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN A PRETTY CLOSE WINDOW WHEN WE'VE HAD AN ACTION FROM THE H C R C THAT'S ENFORCEABLE. UM, WE, YEAH, WE DID NOT THINK TO LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHEN THIS REQUEST FOR THE SHED CAME IN. SO WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT NOW, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RECTIFYING THOSE ISSUES. RIGHT. TH THERE, THIS WAS A PRETTY, PRETTY HOT, UH, PROPERTY AND I THINK YOU GOT ENOUGH CONTINUITY AND PERSONNEL TO BE ABLE TO CHIME IN ON THIS BEHIND THE CURTAIN HERE. SO, UM, MAYBE A MOST OF A CONTINUANCE MIGHT BE IN ORDER. I'M NOT TOO SURE IF WE CAN DO THAT. WELL, I THINK YOU CAN STILL TAKE A, AN ACTION ON THE, WELL, WE COULD TAKE ACTION ON THE APPLICATION TODAY, WHICH IS THE SHED ONLY. OKAY. BUT WILL, YEAH. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. SO WILL THE SHED INSTALLATION IN THE DRIVEWAY IMPACT WHAT WE DECIDED? AND, AND, UH, UH, UH, WHAT WE NORMALLY DO IF THERE'S AN OUTSTANDING VIOLATION, IS WE WILL WITHHOLD ISSUANCE OF A C O A UNTIL ALL OF THE OUTSTANDING VIOLATIONS CAN BE REMEDIED. AND SO WE'RE STILL ABLE TO GET YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON TODAY'S REQUEST. UM, BUT ADMINISTRATIVELY WE MIGHT WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO, UM, RESOLVE THOSE OTHER ISSUES BEFORE WE ISSUE THE APPROVALS. I BELIEVE THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY WAS, WAS, WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES ON THAT. AND, AND I, I GUESS I'M ASKING IF THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF. FROM WHAT I RECALL, THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY WAS APPROVED AS IT HAD BEEN COMPLETED. UM, NOW THE, I'LL NEED TO REVIEW THAT. BUT THE, UH, DECORATIVE FISH SCALE SIDING OR THE DECORATIVE CEDAR SHAKE SHINGLES UNDER THE GABLE, THE WINDOWS, UH, THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THE WINDOWS WERE APPROVED. THE COLUMN WORK HAS BEEN DONE. THE APPLICANT REMOVED THE FAUX TILE THAT WAS ON THE BASIS OF THE COLUMNS. THE DRIVEWAY, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, WAS APPROVED AS IT WAS COMPLETED. UH, SO FROM WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE FROSTED GLASS AND THE DOUBLE DOORS ON THE FRONT WERE THE, ARE THE ONLY ITEM THERE IS THE ONLY ITEM, UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN CORRECTED PER WHAT THE H D R C MOTIONED, SO. GOT IT. MR. CHAIRMAN. UM, YES, I HAVE CONCERNS AND I SHARE STAFF'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS COULD GET A, JUST A GENERAL, UH, PERMIT, CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. AND WITH THE, THE CURRENT DOCUMENTATION, UM, SINCE IT IS A SITE BUILT STRUCTURE GOING ON A SLAB, YOU YOU NEED TO HAVE A, AN, AN ENGINEER'S SEALED SLAB DESIGN FOR THIS, WHICH IS LACKING. UM, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT AND, AND THE, AND THE, UH, LACK OF OTHER DOCUMENTATION, I MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I'LL SECOND MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DIRECTION? THE, TO GIVE TO THE, THE ONLY SO IT'S CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, BUT THE COMMENT TO THE DRIVEWAY IS WE DID APPROVE THAT WITH, I JUST RECOMMEND YOU NOT MAKING IT WIDER. 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEYOND THE WIDTH THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD'VE APPROVE. IT'S NOT GONNA BE WIDER. WELL, AND THERE'S SOME SPACE BETWEEN THE FENCE AND ALL THAT. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE OR NOTHING ELSE GOES. I LIKE TO CLARIFY WHAT THE GENTLEMAN [02:20:01] WAS. WHAT'S THAT? THE, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SLAB MAY NOT REQUIRE AN ENGINEER'S SEAL. IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT. BUT STILL IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S VERY LIGHT DOCUMENTATION ON THIS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A SCALE, UH, DRAWING THAT SHOWS THIS POSITION ON, ON THE SITE PLAN. IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT UP TO THE, UH, TO THE QUALITY LEVEL OF THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE APPROVE FOR OTHER APPLICANTS. AND JUST, IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO OTHER APPLICANTS IF WE APPROVED THIS, THIS LEVEL OF DOCUMENTATION. MM-HMM. TO REWORD MY MOTION TO, UM, UH, FOR OR THE MOTION THAT YOU MADE THAT YOU MADE, UM, TO ACCEPT FOR A, A CONCEPTUAL, ALONG WITH STAFF COMMENTS AND STIPULATIONS FOR THE WARS AND THE WINDOWS AND THE CONFIRMATION OF THE DRIVEWAY WITH REMAINING WITHIN THE, THE GUIDELINE STANDARD. ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN, I ACCEPT THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION. YEAH. OKAY. AND I ACCEPT THE SECOND THAT I JUST MADE. SO, UM, ROLL CALL PLEASE. SAVINA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. MR. ANTE? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SO IF YOU'LL GET WITH STAFF AND THEY CAN CLARIFY ON WHAT, UH, DRAWINGS AND INFORMATION IS REQUIRED, UH, CLARIFICATION LIKE YOU VERBALLY SAID TODAY ON THE SIDING AND THE WINDOWS, BUT YOU KNOW, ACTUAL SUBMITTALS ON THAT. SO IF YOU'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON, ON THE, UH, FULL SUBMITTAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST DID WE MEET ALL ACTION ITEMS? DON'T ADJOURN. WE STILL NEED, WE STILL NEED ACTION ON ITEM THREE. YEAH, DEFINITELY. THANK YOU BRIAN. MOVE TO CONTINUANCE OF ITEM THREE. SECOND, THE NEXT HEARING. ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ACTION ON THAT ITEM 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. THE CHAIR RECUSED THE ITEM WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY CONTINUED. WE'RE NOT ON THAT ITEM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SHED. THERE WERE THREE ITEMS AND WE TALKED ABOUT TWO IN THE MOTION. WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ITEM THREE IS ALSO CONTINUED. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CASE ITEM. OH, OKAY. NO, WE DO NOT NEED ACTION. THANK YOU, . OKAY. SO ITEM THREE, BECAUSE WE WOULD LOSE A QUORUM, UH, WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. AND SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.