* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] ALL RIGHT. I HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE MARCH 1ST, 2023 HEARING OF THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. SAVINO HERE. UH, VELAZQUEZ. MOOKA. HERE. CARPENTER HERE. GRO HERE. CERVANTES HERE. UH, FETZER AND BAKER. WE HAVE A QUORUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COREY. I'M, I'M HERE ALSO. MR. FISH IS HERE AS WELL. OBJECTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, ATTENDING. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND APPRECIATE THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE, IN PERSON AND ONLINE. VIRTUALLY WITH US. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M SCOTT CARPENTER, VICE CHAIR, ACTING CHAIR FOR TODAY. AND FES, UH, JEFF FETZER IS OUR REGULAR CHAIR, IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS OF PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY OR DEMO FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO THE CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND F TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPRO. UH, THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS AFTER THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, I ASK YOU TO PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES, AND WE HAVE STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, YES, I MISSED OUR INTERPRETER ANNOUNCEMENT. SO AT THIS TIME, IF I COULD HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP AND, UM, OUT SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR TODAY. GOOD EVENING. UH, JUAN, UH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES HAS REQUESTED A POINT OF ORDER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE, UH, THE PASSING OF A CENTURION THIS PAST WEEK. UH, MR. MONICA A CERVANTES, WHO'S MY GRANDFATHER PASSED AT THE AGE OF 101 THIS PAST WEEK, AND HE WAS BURIED YESTERDAY. BUT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UH, THE SIGNIFICANCE THAT THAT HAS ON US, BECAUSE AS TIME GOES, WE ARE LOSING OUR CENTURIONS, RIGHT? AND WE LOOK AT THE HISTORY THAT THEY'VE SEEN, RIGHT? A HUNDRED YEARS. YOU CAN, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL READING ABOUT IT NOW. UM, BUT MR. CERVANTES WAS A PILLAR OF THE FAMILY, PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY, PILLAR OF THE CHURCH, PILLAR OF THE NATION, THOUGH UNSUNG BECAUSE HE SERVED IN WORLD WAR II FROM 1941 TO 1945, UM, IN THE EUROPEAN THEATER. UM, AND AGAIN, HE WAS VERY HUMBLE ABOUT THAT. NEVER REALLY SOUGHT CREDIT. UM, SO WE JUST, I KIND OF WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AND, AND HOPE THAT WE AS A GENERATION CAN LOOK TO THAT GENERATION AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CAN MODEL OURSELVES IN EVERY ASPECT WITH FAMILY, COMMUNITY, FAITH, COUNTRY, AND THE WORLD, RIGHT? YOU LOOK AT HIS GENERATION LITERALLY SAVED THIS PLANET FROM THE GREATEST EVIL WE'VE PROBABLY EVER SEEN AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN HISTORY OF MANKIND. [00:05:01] SO IF I COULD JUST GET A MOMENT OF SILENCE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND, UM, MY CONDOLENCES WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. AND, UM, AND JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION ISN'T JUST ABOUT PRESERVING, YOU KNOW, BRICKS AND MORTAR. IT'S, IT'S ALSO ABOUT PRESERVING MEMORY. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS NOW. UM, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS. UM, SO, UH, THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION DOES HAVE AN EVENT THIS WEEKEND, UM, SATURDAY MAY 4TH. IT'S A CONTINUATION OF OUR, UM, AFRICAN AMERICAN STORYTELLING, WHICH SUPPORTS THE CULTURAL CONTEXT STATEMENT BEING DEVELOPED BY O H P CURRENTLY. UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE THIS SATURDAY, MAY 4TH, UM, 10:00 AM AT THE CARVER BRANCH LIBRARY, UM, AND ALL ARE INVITED TO ATTEND. WITH THAT, LET'S BRING OUR ATTENTION TO THE CASE LIST ON THE SCREEN. UM, WE JUST HAVE A FEW ITEMS TODAY. UM, SO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS FIVE AND SEVEN THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY VIRTUAL OR BY, UM, VOICEMAIL. AND WE'LL PLAY THOSE NOW. UH, ITEM NUMBER 4 2 18 WASHINGTON. THIS IS LISA LIND CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING TWO 18 WASHINGTON STREET. CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 6. DEAR COMMISSIONERS, THE KING WILLIAM ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE O H P STAFF SIGHTING OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND FINDINGS REGARDING THIS CASE. ALTHOUGH THOUGH THE PROPOSED CUPOLA, DORMER AND GLASS GARAGE DOORS ARE NOT ORIGINAL, THEY DO NOT DETRACT FROM THE MAIN HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN OUR COMPATIBLE WITH THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DO, HOWEVER, OPPOSE THE WHITE COLOR OF THE PROPOSED ROOF. THERE ARE NO WHITE PITCHED ROOFS IN KING WILLIAM, AND APPROVING A WHITE ROOF WOULD INITIATE AN INAPPROPRIATE PRECEDENT IN OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. GLOOM IS THE PREDOMINANT FINISH OF METAL ROOFS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS THE MATERIAL OF ROOF ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE ON THIS PROPERTY. WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THE WHITE COLORED ROOF AND RECOMMEND THAT GAL LOOM BE APPROVED. SINCERELY, THE KING WILLIAM ARCHITECTURAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. NEXT IS A VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM 7 32 14 MISSION ROAD. HELLO, MY NAME IS THERESA IVANIA. I'M A MEMBER OF MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. MY ADDRESS IS 1438 NAPIER AVENUE. MY PHONE NUMBER IS TWO TEN SEVEN TWO TWO EIGHT SIX TWO NINE. I AM CALLING IN, UH, REFERENCE TO ITEM SEVEN, UM, ADDRESS 32 14 MISSION ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS KIMBERLY, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO FOR THE PUBLIC ART INSTALLATION AT THIS LOCATION. UH, MISSION SAN JOSE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORTS, UH, THE LOCATION OF THIS PROJECT. WE ARE, UH, VERY HAPPY WITH HOW IT'S, UH, PARALLEL TO THE QUEEN OF THE MISSION, UM, RIGHT IN FRONT ABOUT, UM, 200, 300 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE MISSION WALL. UH, WE LOVE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE, UH, HONORING THE INDIGENOUS OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE MISSION. SO, UH, AGAIN, WE WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AT THIS LOCATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT CONCLUDES VOICEMAILS COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS. OKAY, THANK YOU [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] VERY MUCH. SO WE HAVE A CON, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT. ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY, UH, CASE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER FOUR. OKAY, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISH TO, UH, PULL ANY CASES? ALRIGHT, SO FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, OH, SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND FIVE THROUGH EIGHT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE AND FIVE THROUGH EIGHT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SENO. AYE. MECA AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, CARPENTER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [00:10:01] IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 0 1 NEWELL 1 45 NAVARRO FIVE 10 SOUTH ALAMO, 5 0 5 EAST PARK, 3 0 2 LAMAR, 32 14 MISSION ROAD, AND 13 1 0 2 JONES MALTSBERGER. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU AT THE 10 DAYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'LL NOW PROCEED TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. IS THE, UH, APPLICANT PRESENT OR, UH, WITH US VIRTUALLY? YES, ANN TO IS PRESENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, YOU PULLED THE CASE? YES, THANK YOU. I PULLED THE CASE FOR A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UM, ONE ITEM THAT I THINK, UH, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IS, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, INSTALL A CUPOLA ON THE ROOF OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FINE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, IS IN AGREEMENT THAT IT IS PRETTY MUCH FINE, BUT I DID NOT SEE IN THE PACKAGE ANY DIMENSION DRAWINGS TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW TALL, UH, THE AREA. SO ALL I WOULD DO IN THAT CASE IS ADD A STIPULATION TO, TO ITEM, TO REQUEST NUMBER ONE THAT, UH, BEFORE A C O A IS ISSUED THAT WE GET FULL DIMENSIONS. AND, UM, ALSO I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT ABOUT THE WHITE ROOF AND WANNA KNOW, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALSO SOME COMMENTS ON THE WHITE ROOF. UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REASONING FOR THE WHITE ROOF. YES. UM, WELL, IT PURELY WELL NEAR, NEARLY PURELY, UH, DUE TO ITS EFFICIENCY AS FAR AS, UM, UH, A PRODUCT THAT WILL MAKE THE, UH, SPACE INSIDE FARM MORE COMFORTABLE. IT HAS VERY LITTLE IMPACT TO THE APPEARANCE OF THE STRUCTURE. IT'S JUST ESSENTIALLY A LIGHTER LOOKS LIKE A LIGHTER GRAY. UM, AND THERE IS PRECEDENCE FOR THIS IN THE KING WILLIAM NEIGHBORHOOD AT TWO 15 MISSION STREET. UM, THERE WAS ONE INSTALLED THERE AND THEY SAY THAT, UM, THE RESULT IS, UM, A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT IN THE, UM, IN THE TEMPER, UH, LOWERED, UH, SUMMER AND, UH, FALL HEAT IN THE BUILDING. UM, SO, AND, AND OUR CITY STANDS BEHIND THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS, UH, WHITE ROOF, UM, MOVEMENT GOING ON, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THE CITY EVEN SUPPORTED THIS UNDER ONE ROOF PROGRAM TO HELP COVER THE COST OF WHITE ROOFS FOR HOUSES. SO, UM, I IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE CITY'S OWN OWN BELIEFS. UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AT THE VERY BACK OF A STRUC OF BEHIND OUR HOUSE. IT'S BARELY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. UM, AND I DON'T THINK IT SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE, THE LOOK OF THE PLACE AND IT'S BEING COMPLETELY REPLACED ANYWAY. THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T HISTORIC FABRIC THAT'S BEING, UM, REPLACED IT. THE WHOLE ROOF, UH, IS, IS BEING, WAS WELL LOST. AND SO THIS IS, HAS TO BE A NEW STRUCTURE ANYWAY. WHY NOT TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY ENERGY EFFICIENT. MR. CHAIR? YES, PLEASE. UH, THANK YOU, MS. TOXI. UM, AND I WAS GONNA COMMENT THAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS THE ROOF OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN THE BACK. AND I ALSO, UM, I AM IN SUPPORT. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE ONE UNDER ONE ROOF PROGRAM, SO I, I ACTUALLY WOULD SUPPORT THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE WHITE METAL. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SUPER WHITE. IT'S NOT LIKE BRIGHT WHITE. I THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE A WHITE METALLIC THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, INSTALLED THAT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. UM, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, REGARDING THE, THE WHITE FINISH IS, IS THIS A PRE-FINISHED ROOF SYSTEM? YES, THIS IS, UM, WE'VE SOUGHT, UH, ONE QUOTE SO FAR AND WE'RE GETTING A SECOND RIGHT NOW, BUT FROM, THIS ONE'S FROM MANGO WHO DID THE ROOF ON THE MAIN STRUCTURE SOME 35 OR SO YEARS AGO. UM, AND THIS IS THEIR PRODUCT AND UM, IT'S UH, IT, IT'S SOMETHING, UM, THAT'S A, A COATING, I THINK IT'S A, THAT COMES SORT OF BAKED ONTO IT. IT'S NOT PAINTED, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, SOME KIND OF ENAMEL OR SOMETHING THAT COMES ON IT. YEAH, IT'S PROBABLY A KIND OF R TYPE FINISH. UM, ONE CONCERN I HAVE ABOUT THAT IS THAT FOR, UM, PRE-FINISHED ROOFS LIKE THAT TO DO THE, [00:15:01] THE FIELD CRIMPING THAT TYPICALLY WILL TEAR UP THAT, THAT PRE-FINISH, HAVE THEY DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU AT ALL OR ARE THEY GOING TO DO TOUCH UP AFTERWARDS BECAUSE OF, OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, ONE OF THEIR STIPULATIONS IS THAT THEY FOLLOW, UM, THE GUIDELINES FOR THE ROOFS. UH, SO IT'S A TRUE, UH, STANDING SEAM MUNCH SEAM ROOF. I PROVIDED THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEIR ROOF TO, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY RANDY MANGOLD, THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIRD GENERATION OF THIS COMPANY. AND HE SAID, OH, NO PROBLEM. AND THAT'S WHAT HE HAD DONE. HE DID THE ROOF, UM, AT TWO 15, UM, MISSION STREET AND FOLLOWED THOSE SAME GUIDELINES AND HE SAID IT WOULD BE NO PROBLEM AT ALL. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CONDITION THAT YOU MENTIONED, SO I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY ASK ABOUT THAT. UM, AND I CERTAINLY WOULD WANT THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA INTRODUCE PROBLEMS, UM, WITH, WITH MAINTENANCE OR, OR, OR ANYTHING ON IT. SO, UM, I'M, I'M MOSTLY WANTING THE OPTION TO GO THIS DIRECTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A SAVVY THING TO DO. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T MADE ANY COMMITMENTS, BUT I, I WANTED THE STAFF, THE, THE H D R C APPROVAL TO GO THIS DIRECTION. WELL, AND I THINK THE ALBEDO RATING, WHICH IS THE RATING OF REFLECTANCE IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY SIMILAR WITH BOTH A, A, UH, GAL LOOM AND A A WHITE PRE-FINISHED ROOF. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UM, YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF QUESTIONS. WELL, I DO, YEAH, COMMENTS. I, UM, I, THE OBSERVATION I HAVE IS THAT THE, UM, GAL LOOM AND THE, UM, OH, EVEN THE WEATHERED ZINC AND SOME OF THE OTHER LIGHTER SHADE, BUT GRAY COLOR, UH, RANGES HAVE A VERY SIMILAR ALBEDO, WHICH IS YOUR REFLECTIVITY NUMBER AS YOU KNOW. UM, SO THEY PERFORM REALLY, REALLY CLOSELY TO A WHITE ROOF. IT'S WHEN WE CHANGE FROM A COMP SHINGLE, A DARK COLOR OR A DARK METAL ROOF TO THE WHITE ROOF THAT WE SEE THOSE SIGNIFICANT, UM, THERMAL CHANGES FOR THE BETTER. UM, SO, UM, I DO, I DO SEE HOW, UH, YOUR PROPERTY IS SOMEWHAT SHIELDED BY SOME LIVE OAKS THAT SHOULD BE THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. BUT I DO, UH, STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT A WHITE ROOF, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS IS DONE PRIMARILY FOR THERMAL PERFORMANCE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? UM, MR CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, PROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE TO BE INCLUDED WITH FULLY DIMENSION DRAWINGS FOR THE CUPOLA TO INCLUDE HEIGHT AND, UH, PLAN AREA. UM, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO AND TO DENY ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, IN LIEU OF A, UH, CITY O H P STANDARDS FOR REPLACING METAL ROOFS. AND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. AND TO CLARIFY FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, YOU'RE DENYING, UM, METAL ROOF OR JUST THE WHITE, THE NO I'LL, I WAS GONNA SAY, CAN YOU MAYBE JUST AMEND IT TO BE APPROVING ITEM NUMBER THREE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IT'S NOT WHITE, THAT'S WHAT WE SHALL DO. INSTALL , UM, METAL STANDING SEAM ROOF WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THE CRIMPED RIGGING THAT IS NOT WHITE. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY, UH, DISCUSSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, SORRY, I'M COMING THROUGH A LITTLE BIT DELAYED. UM, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY, UM, AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A ROOF REPLACEMENT IN KIND, I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT STAFF'S FINDINGS ON THE ROOF THAT WAS SUPPORTED, UH, OR PROPOSED RATHER. AND, UM, AND GENERALLY I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT UH, MANY OF THE METAL ROOFS THAT WE REVIEW DO HAVE A, A FINISH ON THEM AND A VARIETY OF TONES, UH, BEYOND GALVAO WITHIN THE RANGE OF GALVAO. AND I THINK THAT THE, UH, PLAIN GALVAO FINISH MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OVERLY RESTRICTIVE. UM, I, I SUPPORT THE MOTION AS MADE. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MIGHT BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO, TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO DEAL WITH THIS VERY SPECIFIC, UH, NUANCE GIVEN THAT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S CONSENSUS THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ISSUE. UM, I'LL SUPPORT AMENDMENT COMMISSIONER, FISH. UH, DO YOU WANT TO, [00:20:01] UH, UH, ARTICULATE YOUR, YOUR AMENDMENT? SO I, I WOULD OFFER, UH, A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AS SUBMITTED. SECOND. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT AND A SECOND. YEAH, I THINK, UH, ONE THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE OFTEN BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS JUST HOW GLARING A, A NEW, UM, GALVANIZED, UH, METAL ROOF IS. BUT YOU CAN ALSO GET, UH, GAL LOOM AND PRE WEATHERED, WHICH TENDS TO COME OUT AS A SOFT GRAY. SO THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE THERE. UM, SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH, TAKE UP THE AMENDMENT? NO, I JUST NEED, UM, MR. CHAIR, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. SO THE AMENDMENT IS TO OFFER A WIDER RANGE OF COLOR SELECTIONS, RIGHT? IT'S JUST NOT WHITE? NO, NO, NO. IT IS AS SUBMITTED. SO IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO GO AHEAD WITH A WHITE AS IN 2 52 15 MISSION AND CORRECT ME, COMMISSIONER FISHER, IF I'M WRONG TO ADD, AND I AS, AS AS SUBMITTED, BUT I MEAN SHE COULD STILL GO BACK TO GALVANIZE, WHICH IS, WILL BE GALVAN, WHICH IS, WILL BE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES. CORRECT. UM, OKAY, THANKS. OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION FROM COMMISSIONERS? IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDMENT. OKAY, GIBBS AYE FISH, UH, CAN YOU REPEAT PLEASE? AYE. THANK YOU SAVINO. NAY, MOOKA AYE. GRO AYE. CERVANTES? YES. CARPENTER NAY. OKAY. MOTION PASSES AND WE'LL NEED ANOTHER VOTE ON THE MAIN AMENDED MOTION. SO ROLL CALL ON THE MAIN MOTION PLEASE. GIBBS NAY. SO COMMISSIONER GIBBS, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MAIN MOTION HAS BEEN AMENDED NOW TO INCLUDE THE APPROVAL OF A WHITE ROOF. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING. AYE FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. MOOKA AYE GROUP. AYE. SAVANTE? YES, CARPENTER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION] WE'LL NOW PROCEED TO THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION CASES. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 4 2. ADDRESS IS TWO 11 WEST SHERIDAN. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS APPROVAL TO REMOVE ALL WOOD WINDOW SCREENS AND TO OBTAIN HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION FOR THE PROPERTY OF 2 2 11 WEST SHERIDAN. RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDING. D. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD WINDOW SCREENS WITH IN-KIND MATERIAL NON-ORIGINAL METAL WINDOW SCREENS CAN BE REMOVED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS WOOD SCREENS THAT MATCH THE ORIGINAL AND PROFILE MATERIAL AND APPEARANCE BE INSTALLED AS REPLACEMENTS FOR NON-ORIGINAL SCREENS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO BASED ON FINDINGS E AND F. THE OWNERS, LILLIAN AND CARLOS OTTERBOX ARE HERE IN PERSON. THERE ARE NO LETTERS OR NO AND NO VOICEMAILS TO CONSIDER FOR THIS CASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELCOME. UH, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE UH, RECORDED RECORD, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUCH. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR, YOUR CASE? YES. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UM, WE'VE BEEN HERE A FEW TIMES NOW AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST, WE'RE DOING GREAT WITH THE PROJECT. WE'RE VERY HAPPY AND ALMOST, UH, AT THE END OF, UH, THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. AND, UM, WHILE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS REALLY BEAUTIFULLY AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING SO FAR, THIS ONE LAST STEP HAS BECOME A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN WE EXPECTED FOR THE FACT THAT THERE IS SO MANY OF THEM MISSING. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE. THE FIRST FACT. THE SECOND FACT IS, UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO VISITED THE PROPERTY, THE WINDOWS ARE ALL UNEVEN. THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE CROOKED AND, AND NOT THE SAME SIZE AND NOT, UH, THE PROPER ANGLES. SO TO FIND SCREENS FOR THESE WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE, WHICH WE ALREADY TRIED BY THE WAY. WE WOULD, WELL I DIDN'T, BUT LILLIAN WENT TO THE PICKERS PARADISE, LOOKED THROUGH THE WHOLE BUNCH. SHE COULDN'T FIND ANY. ADDITIONALLY, UH UH, WE LOST A COUPLE OF THEM DURING A FEW PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE HOUSE. THEY WENT INTO THE HOUSE. WE TALKED TO RAF ABOUT THIS OR FAST OR SAFE. SAFE. UM, THEY TOOK, UH, A FEW ITEMS, UH, FROM THE HOUSE AND ONE SCREEN I BELIEVE IT WAS. SO WE'RE [00:25:01] DOWN TO LIKE FOUR SCREENS IN THE HOUSE OUT OF 15 WINDOWS. AND WITH THESE PROBLEMS OF SOURCING THEM, UH, WE'RE AT A LOSS HERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO. WE TRIED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN RESTORING THIS PROPERTY. UH, COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS I HAVE QUESTIONS. CHAIR. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO DO THE FRONT? 'CAUSE I THINK WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS WE APPROVED THAT THE FRONT WINDOWS WEREN'T GONNA BE REPAIRED. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH SCREENS? DO YOU STILL HAVE THE THREE IN THE FRONT AND THEN MAYBE YOU HAVE AN EXTRA SCREEN FOR THAT FRONT WINDOW TO THE LEFT OR ARE THOSE GONE? YES, WE DO HAVE THE THREE, THE THREE OF THE FRONT WE'RE MISSING THE OTHER ONE THOUGH. WE HAVE ONE ON THE SIDE. WE COULD USE THAT ONE AND TRY TO MAKE IT FIT. IT'S NOT THE SAME SIZE I MEASURED. I DON'T, WE COULD TRY TO MAKE IT FIT. I'M SORRY. THAT'D BE AN OPTION. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THE WINDOW ON THE LEFT OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS WIDER THAN THE ONES ON THE SIDES OF THE HOUSE. AND ALSO THE THREE SCREENS ON THE FRONT HAVE THREE. YOU CANNOT SEE IT BECAUSE OF THE DARKNESS THERE, BUT IT HAS LIKE THREE SQUARES ON THE TOP AND THE ONES ON THE SIDE HAVE FOUR SQUARES ON THE TOP. SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY MATCH THE THREE ONES IN THE FRONT. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, I SEE THE PICTURE. OH, SORRY. YES. DO YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT? DON'T MATTER. NO. YEAH, I THINK, DOES SHE NEED TO REPEAT FOR THE RECORD? I'M GOOD. OKAY. SO THE, WE REALLY HAVE LESS THAN HALF OF THEM. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE OF 15 OR 14 WINDOWS. AND THE ONES THAT ARE THERE, I MEAN YOU CAN SEE THE STATE THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE REALLY IN BAD SHAPE. SO, UH, WE HAVE REPAIRED ALL OF THE WINDOWS, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS. WE DID NOT CHANGE ANY OF THEM. WE WERE ABLE TO TO DO THAT AND THEY GLIDE BEAUTIFULLY. SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT IF WE DON'T PUT THE SCREENS ON, WE'RE GONNA SEE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN REDONE. ALL OF THEM. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THOSE WHO ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL DO A MOTION. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRONT THREE SCREENS. IF WE COULD GET THAT IMAGE UP. UM, COULD, COULD I ASK THE APPLICANT TO DESCRIBE THE CONDITION OF THE WOOD IN THOSE THREE SCREENS WE SEE THERE IN THE THREE CAN WINDOWS? THE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU'VE LOOKED AT, UH, REPAIRING OR REPLACING THE METAL SCREEN OR RE REHABBING THE WOOD IN THAT? IS, IS REHABILITATION OF THOSE THREE POSSIBLE? UH, I MEAN I GUESS IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, BUT THE WOOD IS FAIRLY CRACKED IN, IN, IN ALL OF THE WOOD AREA. THE WOOD IS CRACKED AND THE MAJORITY OF THE SCREENS ARE, ARE RIPPED. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE LIKE A TOTAL REPLACEMENT OF IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, IT'S EASY TO DO. AND ON TOP OF THAT, I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, WE TO INVEST THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO THIS HOUSE. IT WAS IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN WE THOUGHT. AND THIS IS GONNA BE I THINK, UH, A HUGE INVESTMENT IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH IT. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION. GO AHEAD. UM, DO YOU PLAN ON CREATING NEW, NEW SCREENS FOR ALL OF THE WINDOWS OR DO YOU PLAN ON NOT INCLUDING SCREENS IN THE PROJECT? NO SCREENS IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR GO AHEAD. FOR STAFF. STAFF, JUST REAL QUICK. UM, HISTORICALLY ON THIS PROJECT, I THINK THE, HAS THERE ANY BEEN, BEEN ANY OTHER CONTENTION, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT AS, AS THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING OR WORKING WITH YOU TO, TO GET IT RIGHT? HISTORICALLY ACCURATE ONCE THEY GOT CONNECTED WITH STAFF? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'VE BEEN SUPER COOPERATIVE AND ARE REHABILITATING WOOD WINDOWS AND IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROJECT. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S A IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS. WOULD YOU CONSIDER, UH, RETAINING UH, THE SCREENS IN STORAGE SOMEWHERE OR AT LEAST A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF EACH OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES? THE ONES WITH THE THREE, THE ONES WITH THE THREE ON TOP AND THE ONES WITH THE FOUR ON TOP SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO REFERENCE BACK TO IF YOU OR A FUTURE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO PUT FORTH THAT EXPENSE. 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS AN EXPENSIVE THING, BUT, YOU KNOW, MARKING THEM, TAGGING THEM, PUTTING THEM IN THE ATTIC OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU'D CONSIDER DOING? YES, SURE. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. ALRIGHT, [00:30:01] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT, MR. CHAIR. YES, I'LL DO A MOTION. AND I WAS JUST GOING ALONG THOSE WAYS. I THINK THE APPLICANTS HAVE REALLY WORKED HARD ON, UH, ON RESTORING EVERYTHING IN THIS PROPERTY. UM, THERE WAS A PICTURE, UM, ON ONE OF THE SLIDES THAT REALLY SHOWED, I COULD SEE, UH, I'M SORRY, I THINK IT'S PICTURE PAGE FIVE. AND I REMEMBER FROM GOING OVER THERE, I MEAN THE FRONT SCREENS IS LIKE NOT ONLY LIKE THEY'RE UNREPAIRABLE, THEY'RE MISSING PARTS, THEY'RE ALL BENT. I I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S, THIS IS GONNA BE A WHOLE NEW, HAS TO BE REBUILT ISN'T NEW. SO THE MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE SCREENS AND APPROVE THE HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION WITH THE STIPULATION THAT YOU RE RETAIN, UH, ANY REMAINING SCREENS ON PROPERTY. SECOND. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THAT MOTION? MR. MR. CHAIR? I THINK THAT'S A, A WISE ALTERNATIVE. THE KEY IS KEEPING HIM ON SITE, UM, SO THAT AT A LATER DATE, THE, UM, THOSE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THIS UNIQUE HOUSE CAN BE PUT INTO PLACE BY SOMEBODY OR Y Y'ALL ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON. SURE, WHO KNOWS? BUT UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION. THANK YOU. GOOD DEAL. YEAH, I AGREE THERE. THEY'RE A VERY UNIQUE, UM, UH, FEATURE. SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT WE, UH, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIPPS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. MOOKA. AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. CARPENTER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. C TAKE CARE. ENJOY THE HOUSE. ALRIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 10. ITEM 10 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH OH 5 1 7 32 LAMAR STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 22 WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS OF THE SAME SIZE. REPLACED FIVE EXISTING DOORS, REPLACED THE FRONT PORCH DECKING, AND REPLACE EXISTING SIX FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCE IN KIND. ITEM ONE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS NUMBERED ONE THROUGH FIVE 12 THROUGH 19 AND 22 ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT ALL DOCUMENTED HISTORIC WINDOW CONDITIONS BE RETURNED. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS NUMBERED SIX THROUGH 11, 20 AND 21. ON, ON THE ATTACHED SITE. PLAN BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE WINDOWS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE ONE MODERN DOOR ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCES OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. UM, AND JUST TO NOTE COMMISSIONERS, THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY SINCE WITHDRAWN THE REQUEST TO REPLACE ANY OF THE DOORS. I'M STILL GONNA READ THE RECOMMENDATION INTO THE RECORD THOUGH. UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND REPLACEMENT OF THE THREE 15 LIGHT AND ONE HALF LIGHT WOOD DOORS BASED ON FINDING G. STAFF RECOMMENDS REPAIR AND RETENTION OF THESE FOUR DOORS. ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT PORCH DECKING BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS THE WOOD DECKING PERPENDICULAR TO THE FACADE. ITEM FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF THE SIX FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCE BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT NON-CONFORMING AND UNAPPROVED WORK IS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT INCLUDES THIS SCOPE OF WORK. UM, I HAVE THE APPLICANT, UH, VINNO NAVAREZ ON WEBEX. UM, THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL ALSO. MR. NAVAREZ, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE. ARE YOU THERE, MR. NAVAREZ? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, BUT I DO SEE THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY UNMUTED, SO JUST KEEP TRYING YOUR MIC OR CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS. UM, MR. NAVAREZ, ON THE MEETING INFORMATION THAT JESSICA SENT YOU, THERE'S A PHONE NUMBER. YOU MIGHT TRY CALLING THAT NUMBER AND WE CAN HEAR YOU THAT WAY. WE WILL TRY CALLING YOU TOO. I I [00:35:01] I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF YOU WERE ABLE TO HEAR THIS OR NOT. SO, UM, EITHER TRY TO CALL THAT WEBEX NUMBER ON THE MEETING INFORMATION THAT JESSICA SENT YOU OR JUST ANSWER YOUR CALL, ANSWER YOUR PHONE WHEN YOU GET A CALL HERE THE NEXT 30 SECONDS. SO THE APPLICANT'S GONNA CALL IN, UM, SHOULD JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES HERE. SHOULD WE LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAIL WHILE WE WAIT? UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU WANT US TO PLAY THE YES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND THE COMMENTS, LISTEN TO THE VOICEMAIL THEN. JUST AS A NOTE, UH, THE CALLER, UH, INITIALLY INCLUDED THE WRONG ADDRESS IN THE VOICEMAIL. IT IS FOR 7 32 LAMAR, BUT SHE SAYS 7 32 NORTH PINE. OKAY, THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS LILY FRANCOIS. I'M CALLING IN ON BEHALF OF CONCERN CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL FOR CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 5 1 7 32 NORTH PINE STREET. WE AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MATERIAL REQUESTED FOR THE FRONT PORCH. SINCE THIS IS AN EXTERIOR FRONT PORCH, IT IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD DECKING WITH ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD OR COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE FACADE VERSUS THE ONE BY SIX DECK WOOD MATERIAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCTS. AND A VERBAL OR WRITTEN AGREEMENT TO THE RECOMMENDED REPAIR OF EXISTING WINDOWS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. HISTORICAL ACCURACY. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT FOLLOWED RECOMMENDED WINDOW AND DOOR MATERIAL AS STIPULATED BY H D R C. WE BELIEVE THAT IF LENIENCY IS PROVIDED TO ONE APPLICANT, IT WILL START A PRECEDENCE THAT WILL BE CONTINUALLY POINTED TO BY FUTURE APPLICANTS. THANK YOU MR. NAVAREZ. YOU'RE ON SPEAKER NOW. OKAY. ON SPEAKER. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. NAVAREZ. MAKE SURE YOU MUTE YOUR COMPUTER, YOUR COMPUTER. OH, IT'S, IT'S OUR FAULT. WE NEED TO MUTE THAT PODIUM MIKE, LIKE MUTE EDWARDS. EDWARDS. UNFORTUNATELY, IT MEANS THAT OUR VIRTUAL [00:40:01] COMMISSIONERS WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR THAT WAS THE ISSUE WE HAD THE OTHER TIME. RIGHT? SO, MR. NAVARRO, MR. NAVAREZ, CAN YOU NOT, DO YOU HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE WEBEX MEETING THAT YOU CAN CALL INTO YOU AN IPHONE? ARE YOU ON AN IPHONE CALL FROM AN IPHONE AUTOMATICALLY. OKAY. I'VE GOT ANOTHER, UM, I'VE GOT ANOTHER IDEA. UM, ON YOUR WEBEX SCREEN. HANG ON ONE SECOND. I'M GONNA HAVE TO STOP SHARING FOR A SECOND. ON YOUR WEBEX SCREEN, UM, YOU SHOULD HAVE A SETTINGS OPTION. UM, IT'LL SAY AUDIO AND VIDEO UP AT THE TOP. UM, YEAH, SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE FILE, EDIT, SHARED VIEW, AUDIO, VIDEO. UM, ALL RIGHT, UM, WELL LET'S TRY THIS. UM, SO DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE A, THE MUTE BUTTON, CLICK THE LITTLE ARROW BESIDE THAT, AND THEN, UM, YOU SHOULD SEE LIKE SPEAKER AND THEN A FEW OPTIONS. AND THEN MICROPHONE IS ANYTHING SELECTED UNDER MICROPHONE, BUT, AND UNDER MICROPHONE IT SHOULD SAY USE SYSTEM SETTINGS. HIT THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, ALRIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. HANG ON ONE SECOND. OR YOU CAN SAY IT MR. NAVAREZ. UM, SINCE WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY, IF YOU JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT YOU, YOU WANT TO POSTPONE THIS REQUEST UNTIL THE NEXT HEARING, THEN THE COMMISSION CAN POSTPONE THIS REQUEST FOR TWO WEEKS. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE NEED. I THINK THAT'S ALL WE NEED. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND SORRY FOR THE TECHNICAL DI DIFFICULTY FOLKS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. LET'S, UH, POSTPONE THAT AND FOR TWO WEEKS FOR THE NEXT HEARING. DO WE NEED A MOTION? DO WE NEED A MOTION TO, UH, FACILITATE THAT? CONTINUE THE ITEM? YES, CONTINUES. MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR CONTINUANCE ON THE ITEM. OKAY. SECOND. WE GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. ROLL CALL. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. MASUKA. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, CARPENTER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOTION TO ADJOURN. WE'RE OUTTA HERE. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU STAFF FOR PREPARING US YET AGAIN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.