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I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MARCH 15TH, 2023.
MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS PRESENT FISH.
GROBE, CERVANTES, BAKER AND FETZER.
UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING.
IF I CAN, I HAVE ONE OF OUR TRANSLATORS COME UP, PLEASE.
THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND THE VICE CHAIR OF SCOTT CARPENTER.
IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS.
AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET.
IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP.
IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF A REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED.
CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES.
EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP.
ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME.
THE SPEAKER'S CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT.
PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK.
CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS.
AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? WE HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, WE DO HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY TODAY.
WE ASKED, UM, THAT WE CAN SEE YOU NOW, BUT WE DO ASK THAT YOU RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANNA BE CALLED ON TO SPEAK.
UM, THERE'S A BUTTON TO DO THAT, OR I THINK IT'S CONTROL SHIFT R SO YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND VIRTUALLY THAT WAY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A QUICK STAFF ANNOUNCEMENT.
WE HAVE A NEW, UH, MEMBER ON THE SCOUTS A TEAM.
CHARLES GENTRY HAS JOINED US THIS WEEK, UM, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE HIM.
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NEED ACTION ON ANY MEETING MINUTES, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]
LOOK AT OUR CONSENT ITEMS. UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE, UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 14 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM 15 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY.
UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL PLAY VOICEMAILS RECEIVED FOR ITEMS, UM, ON CONSENT.
VOICEMAIL FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO 400 CLUB.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 9 1 400 CLUB DRIVE.
MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION FOR 400 CLUB DRIVE.
WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR RESPONDING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CONCERNS AND THOSE RAISED BY THE COMMISSION AND STAFF THROUGH THE H D R C PROCESS TO RESTORE AND REPAIR THIS HOME.
WE ESPECIALLY WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE WINDOWS, THE TILE ROOF, AND THE EXTERIOR STUCCO ON THE NEW REAR ADDITION AS ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS WHICH ARE DEFINING TO THIS HOME'S EXTERIOR.
AND THEY HAVE EXECUTED, UH, THESE ELEMENTS AS WELL.
WE WISH THE APPLICANT THE BEST AND WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
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ITEM 14 9 22 NOLAN.HELLO, MY NAME'S VALERIE EZ AND I 5 0 8 R STREET.
WITHIN THE DIG WITTY HILL, I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 4 5, LOCATED AT 9 22 NOLAN STREET.
WHILE WE AGREE WITH O H P STIPULATIONS, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O H P'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL ACCORDING TO O H P NOTES, AN ACCURATE AND MEASURED SITE PLAN THAT INCLUDES ALL SCOPES OF WORK HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED.
WHY WOULD THIS BE APPROVED FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WHEN THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETELY MISSING THE SITE PLAN? IN ADDITION, ARE THE HAND DRAWINGS SUBMITTED REALLY CONSIDERED TO BE ACCURATE AND MEASURED ELEVATION DRAWINGS 9 22 NOLAN IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS TO A HOMEOWNER.
WHEN THE H C R C COMMISSIONERS DON'T REQUIRE A DEVELOPER TO FOLLOW AND MEET H D R C GUIDELINES, THE HOMEOWNER MUST NOW GO BACK AND FIX ITEMS THAT DEVELOPER DID INCORRECTLY.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
THE WAY AND FRONT DOOR MUST MEET O H P GUIDELINES AND F D H D R C COMMISSIONERS HAD REQUIRED THIS OF THE DEVELOPER FROM THE BEGINNING.
THE HOMEOWNER WOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
NOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST STAFF BE SURE VIA VERBAL COMMITMENT FROM THE APPLICANT.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE STIPULATION REGARDING THE HARDBOARD SIDING AND WHICH SIDE FACES OUT.
THOSE ARE ALL OF THE VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.
COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, FOR CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY CASES FOR DISCUSSION? COMM COMMISSIONER MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO POLL ITEM 14.
ANY OTHERS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE BALANCE? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 IN CONSIDERATION OF 14 BEING PULLED AND 15 HAVING BEEN, UM, REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
DOES THAT INCLUDE STAFF STIPULATIONS ON EACH CASE? YES, SIR.
AS, AS, UH, SUBMITTED A SECOND STANCE.
UM, IN YOUR DISCUSSION, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 10 0 3 NORTH HACKBERRY 400 CLUB 3 47 PARLIN THREE 20 CEDAR THREE 14, MISSION NINE 16 WEST MISSILE TOW NINE 20 WEST MISSILE TOW FIVE 40 ADAMS FOUR 10 MISSION STREET, 7 0 3 MISSION ROAD, 1 48 CROFTON 500 COLUMBUS, AND THREE 15 ADAMS. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.
YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.
I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COMMEND A COUPLE OF THE APPLICANTS WHO WE JUST APPROVED THEIR CASES, UH, MR. MS BAAB ON WEST MISSILE TOE AND MR. TURNER ON WEST MISSILE TOE FOR BRINGING THEIR, UH, HOMES UP FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND, AND MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, UH, COMMEND THE GENTLEMAN HERE FROM, UH, THE, UH, MR. GRECO, I BELIEVE, AND, UM, ON A, ON A GOOD PROJECT.
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THANK YOU.SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, JUST CONCERNING THE COMMENTS FROM THE, UM, CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THAT THE, UM, THERE WAS NO SITE PLAN, UM, NOT REALLY CONCERNED TOO MUCH ABOUT THE HAND DRAWING, BUT THERE WAS NO SITE PLAN.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT PLEASE? THERE WAS A SITE PLAN ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.
THERE WAS A SITE MAN SITE PLAN ORIG ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED.
I DID RESUBMIT A NEW SITE PLAN TO SCALE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT, THAT'S CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE THIS MOST RECENT SITE PLAN THAT YOU SUBMITTED IS ON THE SCREEN.
CAN YOU CONFIRM? YES, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SCALE COMPARED TO THE FIRST ONE THAT I SUBMITTED.
SO STAFF, IS THIS THE, UM, THE MORE UPDATED ONE OR? OKAY, THIS IS
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THE CURRENT UPDATED SITE PLAN DRAWING.UM, THE APPLICANT'S WORKED WITH STAFF OVER THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS TO, UM, MEET THE STIPULATIONS MET DURING THE, UM, LAST TIME THAT THEY WERE AT H D R C.
AND, UM, HA, LAST QUESTION, SIR, IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM, THE COM NOT THE COMPLAINT, BUT THE LETTER, HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA CONCERNING THIS, UM, PARTICULAR PROJECT? AND, UM, WHAT IS YOUR FEEDBACK WITH THEM FROM 'EM? UM, I'M THE CONTRACTOR FOR ONE THING, SO I DON'T SPEAK TO ANY NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOMEOWNER DID OR NOT.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE HOMEOWNER DID OR NOT.
I MEAN, I CAN CALL 'EM AND GET 'EM ON THE PHONE OR NO, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I CONCLUDE MY QUESTIONS.
UH, PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION ON THE DRCS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT WE, WE, WE HAVE A, UH, SEEN THIS, UH, PROJECT EXTENSIVELY AND VISITED OVER THE COURSE OF, UH, MUCH TIME.
I COULD SEE THE, THE, UH, ALTERATIONS OR THE, THE WORK THAT'S GONE BACK ON THE, UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE, UM, UH, H H D R C.
I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YES SIR.
THANK FOR THE WORK THAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE.
CAN I JUST DO YOU AN, AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT TO THAT? YES, MA'AM.
SO, UM, JUST FOR COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEW OWNER THAT CAME IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, A MONTH AGO, I THINK YOU CAME IN AND, AND LONGER THAN THAT.
SO IT'S A NEW OWNER AND SO THERE'S BEEN, IT'S MORE, THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
I THINK THE FRONT DOOR WAS AN ISSUE, BUT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE COLUMNS WERE ACTUALLY ALREADY MADE.
SO THE FRONT DOOR WAS NOT MADE AS TO WHAT WE WANTED AT THAT MEETING.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER, REMEMBER BEING IN THAT D R C UNDERSTOOD.
SO THE NEW OWNERS IS WORKING WITH US TO, TO FIX AND EXTEND THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS NONEXISTENT AND ADD THAT BACK, UM, SHED UNDERSTOOD, NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
SO THAT LAST COMMENT TO ME FROM YOU WAS NOT MEANT TO ME
WELL, WELL, I THINK IN GENERAL.
IN GENERAL, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
I I I'M SURE THERE'S A MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, THE COM COMMITTEE MAY, MAY BE ASKING FOR.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY MOVED SOME DISTANCE AND I THINK THAT'S WORTH NOTING.
ALL THAT WAS DONE BEFORE ME AND THE HOMEOWNER, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTION.
WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH THE STAFF'S COMMENTS ABOUT MATERIALS.
I WILL SECOND WELL LET, LET DO THAT WITH THE STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION? AND FOR ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS AYE.
ITEM 16 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH OH 5 1 7 32 LAMAR STREET.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, REPLACE 22 WOOD WINDOWS WITH NEW WOOD WINDOWS OF THE SAME SIZE.
TWO, REPLACE FIVE EXISTING DOORS.
THREE, REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH DECKING AND FOUR, REPLACE EXISTING SIX FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCE IN KIND.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS, UH, NUMBERED ONE THROUGH FIVE, 12 THROUGH 19 AND 22 ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING, FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT ALL DOCUMENTED HISTORIC WINDOW CONDITIONS BE RETURNED.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS NUMBERED SIX THROUGH 11, 20 AND 21 ON THE ATTACHED SITE.
PLAN, BASED ON FINDING C STAFF RECOMMENDS THESE WOOD WINDOWS BE RETAINED AND REPAIRED.
ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO REPLACE ONE MODERN DOOR ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION BASED ON FINDING G WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCT TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND REPLACEMENT OF THREE 15 LIGHT AND ONE HALF LIGHT WOOD DOORS BASED ON FINDING G.
STAFF RECOMMENDS REPAIR AND RETENTION OF THESE FOUR DOORS.
AND I, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK MY NOTES.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE, UH, ARE WITHDRAWN THAT
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SCOPE OF WORK AS WELL, UH, TO REPLACE THE DOORS SO THEY'RE NO LONGER REQUESTING TO REPLACE THE THREE DOORS.ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT PORCH DECKING BASED ON FINDING H WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS THE WOOD DECKING PERPENDICULAR TO THE FACADE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF IN-KIND REPLACEMENT OF THE SIX FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCED BASED ON FINDING I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT NON-CONFORMING AND UNAPPROVED WORK IS BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT INCLUDES THE SCOPE OF WORK.
AND WE HAVE MICHAEL MICHAEL ABNER, UH, MICHAEL ABNER HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND OWNER? YES, SIR.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE, MICHAEL? MY NAME IS MICHAEL AB SPEAKING TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
UH, MY COMPANY IS SMART CONCEPTS CONSTRUCTION.
UH, I'VE BEEN RETAINED BY THE OWNER TO TRY AND RESOLVE THE ISSUES THAT HE'S HAVING.
UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT ON THE WINDOWS THAT, UH, THEY HAD, THEY HAD, HE HAD SOMEBODY ELSE DOING SOME WORK FOR HIM THAT WASN'T AWARE OF, OF WHAT LEGALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED IN THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS TO FIND OUT IF WE COULD GET PERMISSION TO PUT THE, UH, UH, ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HOUSE, UH, AND DOING THE REPAIRS ON THE DECKING THE WAY IT WAS, UH, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.
UM, PAINT THE HOUSE, UM, UH, R AND R THAT, YOU KNOW, REPLACE THE, THE WOOD FENCE THAT'S IN THE BACK, AND, UH, THE DOORS BASICALLY SAND THEM DOWN AND RESTORE THE DOORS, THE EXISTING DOORS THAT ARE THERE NOW.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL.
MY NAME IS LULU FRANCOISE, 8 1 7 NOLAN, I'M CALLING IN ON CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 5 1.
WE AGREE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MATERIAL REQUESTED FOR THE FRONT PORCH.
SINCE THIS IS AN EXTERIOR FRONT PORCH, IT'S HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD DECKING WITH ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD OR COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT IS PERPENDICULAR TO THE FACADE VERSUS THE ONE BY SIX DECK WOOD MATERIAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE REPLACEMENT PRODUCTS.
AND A VERBAL OR WRITTEN AGREEMENT TO THE RECOMMENDED REPAIR OF EXISTING WINDOWS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THERE HAVE BEEN MANY HOMEOWNERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT FOLLOWED RECOMMENDED WINDOW AND DORM MATERIALS AS STIPULATED BY H C R C.
WE BELIEVE THAT IF LENIENCY IS PROVIDED TO ONE APPLICANT, IT WILL START A PRECEDENCE THAT WILL CONTINUALLY BE POINTED TO BY FUTURE APPLICANTS.
COULD STAFF, UH, COMMENT ON THE ONE BY SIX THAT Y'ALL ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AS OPPOSED TO THE ONE BY THREE, WHICH IS TYPICAL? UM, I CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE THE DECKING IS ONE BY SIX, BUT I BELIEVE IT MIGHT NOT BE ONE BY THREE.
UM, UH, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT SPECIFIES ONE BY THREE.
AND THEN MR. HANER, YOU'RE, UH, THE APPLICATION MENTIONS REPLACEMENT, UM, WITH WOOD WINDOWS AND YOU'RE, TODAY, YOU'RE SAYING ALUMINUM WINDOWS? YES, THE, THE, SORRY, THE, THE WINDOWS THAT I, I GUESS THE, THE CLIENT HAD HAD HIRED SOMEBODY ELSE TO CHANGE SOME OF THE WINDOWS, AND THOUGH ALL THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE, SO THEY HAVE THERE SOME VINYL WINDOWS, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT CAUSED THE, THE ISSUE NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT THOSE KIND OF WINDOWS IN THERE.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THE ALUMINUM FRAME WINDOWS ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT IN THE HISTORICAL AREA.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO WHERE WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN THERE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE FOR.
CAN THE AREA, CAN I JUST CLARIFY, DO YOU MEAN ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD OR FULLY ALUMINUM? FULLY ALUMINUM.
FULLY ALUMINUM DO NOT, DOES NOT CONFORM TO HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES.
SO, SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE ALUMINUM WITH THE WOOD? YEAH.
THE ACCEPTABLE UNDER GUIDELINES AND STAFF STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IS EITHER FULLY WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
AND GENERALLY THAT IS FOR, UM, NOT REPLACING EXISTING WOOD WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
IT'S REPLACING IT IN KIND ALUMINUM CLAD WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ADDITIONS OR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT, UM, THIS CASE IS HERE TODAY, BE AS A RESULT OF A VIOLATION.
UM, IN 2021, I BELIEVE, UM, ALL OF THE WOOD WINDOWS HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN WERE REPLACED WITH VINYL AND A STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED FOR THAT.
SO ON THE, ON THIS WINDOW SCHEDULE, ALL OF THE WINDOWS THAT
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ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ARE, UH, WERE HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED WITH VINYL.UM, ALL OF THE ONES IN RED ARE, UM, HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS THAT OUR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING REPAIR AND, UM, RETENTION OF.
AND THEN THE GREEN WINDOWS IN THE BACK, UM, ARE THE WINDOWS THAT STAFF FOUND ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT WITH A CONFORMING PRODUCT.
COMMISSIONER GROUP? YEAH, I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS TO THAT.
SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, SO THE BLUE WINDOWS ARE THE ONES WITH THAT VINYL THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE PICTURES.
ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT YOU WANTED TO BE ALUMINUM? YES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 12 THROUGH 19? YES.
AND THEN WE CAN ALSO, WE RE THE ONE, THE WINDOW, THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE, THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE NOW CAN BE, UH, BROUGHT UP TO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RE UM, REDO THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE.
SO THE 12 TO 19 ARE THE ONES THAT WE SEE ON THE PICTURES WERE INSTALLED IN 2019, UH, 2021, I BELIEVE, IN 2021.
AND THEN IT WAS, IT'S A NEW OWNER.
IT IS A NEW OWNER SINCE, YEAH.
AND, AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT IS BEFORE YOU BUY A WINDOW, I THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA SEND THE SPECIFICATIONS TO STAFF BECAUSE THERE'S SOME MEASUREMENTS, SPECIFICATIONS MORE THAN MATERIAL AS WELL.
UHHUH
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES INSIDE IN THE FRAMING? NO.
LIKE SIZE OPENINGS THERE HAS, THERE, FROM THE HISTORIC FENESTRATION THERE HAS BEEN TO ACCOMMODATE THE VINYL WINDOWS.
SO I MEAN, UH, THE, IT WOULD HAVE TO, SO THE SIZES HAVE TO BE PUT BACK TO WHERE THEY WERE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE STAFF STIPULATIONS ALSO, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, STAFF STIPULATION IS THAT ALL DOCUMENTED HISTORIC WINDOW CONDITIONS BE RETURNED.
UM, THE MODIFIED WINDOWS, UM, MATCH HISTORICALLY THE DIMENSIONS THAT ARE STILL FOUND ON THE HOUSE.
UM, SO THEY CAN USE THE HISTORIC WINDOW STILL IN PLACE TO MODEL AND RETURN THOSE CONDITIONS.
I HAVE A BROCHURE THAT JUST WAS, THAT KIND OF GOES THROUGH THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT CAN BE USED, THAT THIS IS WHERE I GOT THE INFORMATION TO BEING ABLE TO USE THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS FROM THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PRESENT THAT TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN USE.
UH, UM, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER FISH WHO HA WANTS TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT.
LET'S GET A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMERS COMMISSIONER FISH.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND MAYBE THE APPLICANT, UH, AS WELL ABOUT THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED.
IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THE WINDOWS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN REPLACED WITH THE FINAL PRODUCT WERE NOT IN FACT THE HISTORICAL WINDOWS, WOOD WINDOWS SPECIFICALLY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND FOR ME.
THERE WERE, UM, PHOTOS AVAILABLE ON STREET VIEW THAT SHOW THEM AS, UH, HISTORIC AGE WOOD WINDOWS PRIOR TO INSTALLATION OF THE VINYL WINDOWS.
UM, GIMME ONE SECOND TO ORIENT MYSELF.
MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY WERE WOOD BEFORE THEY WERE REPLACED.
UM, STEPH, CAN YOU BRING UP SLIDE NINE AGAIN PLEASE? SO, UM, COMMISSIONER GROUP MENTIONED, UM, 12 THROUGH 19, BUT I'M SEEING 22 HERE.
UM, SO 22 WAS ALSO, UM, A VINYL WINDOW THAT'S PLACED, PLACED IN THERE.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THAT, SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE.
WE ARE ALSO WANTING TO BE ALUMINUM CLASS SINCE IT WAS, IT WAS ALREADY REPLACED, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS WAS HISTORICALLY A ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOW REPLACED BY THESE SORT OF GANGED, UM, ODD SASH VINYL WINDOWS.
JUST, JUST, IT, IT SEEMS THAT, THAT IT IS, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A PROPOSAL WITHOUT AN ACTUAL PLAN OF THE WINDOW, LIKE ELEVATION PLAN OF EACH WINDOW TO TRY TO NOT GUESS AT WHAT THE END RESULT WILL END UP BEING.
I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER GROUP'S GONNA MAKE A MOTION, PERHAPS IN THE MOTION CAN BE SOMETHING THAT PROVIDES THE OWNER THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF SHOWING THEMSELVES WHAT THEY'LL END UP DOING.
SO THAT, SO THAT IT COMES TO US INFORMED
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ON BOTH, UH, BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE, RIGHT ON, ON THE SIDE OF THE OWNER, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE WELL-INFORMED.BECAUSE EVEN IF, UH, IF STAFF COULD GO TO THE PICTURE WITH THE GANGED WINDOW, EVEN LIKE, LIKE THERE, UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN HISTORICALLY, RIGHT? SO EVEN IF IT WAS A, A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, BUT A BUT A BUT A WINDOW THAT WAS MIMICKING RIGHT? UH, UH, A PROPER, UH, LINE, LINE DIMENSION LIKE THE, THE THIN LINE OF THE RAIL, THAT PERHAPS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT WOULD BE TO MAYBE OFFER A CONTINUANCE OR GIVE THE, GIVE THE, UM, THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME ELEVATIONS AND BRING US ELEVATIONS.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S SOME UNDERSTANDING FROM STAFF AND I THINK THERE'S SOME UNDERSTANDING FROM THE OWNER AND I, MY MOTION WOULD BE, UM, I THINK STAFF'S GOT IT RIGHT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ITEM ONE IS REPLACING THOSE WINDOWS, BUT JUST AS RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE IS YOU FIND THE, THE, THE CERTIFICATE OR DETAILS OF THOSE WINDOWS BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY PURCHASE, CONFIRM WITH STAFF.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STIPULATION ONE, WHICH IS TO COMMISSIONER OF ALASKA'S COMMENT IS THAT I'LL DOCUMENT HISTORIC WINDOWS CONDITIONS BE RETURNED AND I FEEL LIKE THE PACKET HAS A GOOD FLOW OF, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS WINDOW NUMBER 21 NOW THEN, SO KIND OF JUST GOING BY THOSE PICTURES.
SO, UM, MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
I UNDERSTAND ITEM TWO HAS BEEN REDRAWN, SO I'M NOT GONNA INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION.
AND ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS WITH THE ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD.
AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS CHAIRMAN, THIS COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER FISH HAS HIS HAND RAISED, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH.
I, I JUST HAD ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE WAY I READ STAFF STIPULATIONS IS THAT THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE TO BE REPLACED ARE, ARE TO BE WOOD WINDOWS AND NOT ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, MR. GROUP.
AND I THINK I'LL, UM, I, I'LL BE OPEN TO SEE ALUMINUM WOOD CLAD OR, OR WOOD WINDOW.
DOES THE SECOND CONCUR? YES, THE SECOND CONCURS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I MEAN, I'LL JUST CLARIFY.
I DO AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY DO.
I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE WINDOWS WERE INSTALLED IN 2019 WHEN YOU OWNER AND I'D RATHER NOT SEE THOSE VINYL WINDOWS.
IF, IF THAT IS KIND OF LIKE THE, THE MIDWAY WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN FIND A WINDOW THAT'S REPLACING IT WITH AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IS WHAT IT LOOKS ORIGINALLY, THEN THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN WE CAN JUST REDO THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE NOW.
YEAH, THE OTHER ONES WOULD BE, IT SAYS SIX TO 11, 20 AND 21.
I THINK YOU CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T REMOVE ANY MORE WINDOWS.
AGENDA ITEM 17, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 4 4 1 0 1 AND 1 0 3 PASO HONDO.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ON THE VACANT LOT AT 1 0 1 AND 1 0 3 PASO HONDO LOCATED WITHIN THE DITY HILL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS LOT IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF PASO HONDO AND NORTH MESQUITE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH V WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS.
ONE THAT AN UPDATED SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOULD BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
AS NOTED IN FINDING G THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION AND CONTEXT WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK.
TWO, THAT ADDITIONAL PORCH AND ENTRANCE ELEMENTS BE ADDED TO THE SOUTHERN STRUCTURE AS NOTED IN FINDINGS F IN AND R A WRAPAROUND PORCH OR A PORCH THAT ADDRESSES BOTH STREETS WHILE BEING INTEGRATED INTO THE MASSING OF THE OVERALL STRUCTURE SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN.
THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE EAST FACADE OF UNIT 1 0 2, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VOID.
FENESTRATION IS NOTED IN FINDING M FOUR THAT THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS
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ADHERE TO THE APPROVED POLICY GUIDE.ADDITIONALLY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT EVERY SET OF GROUPED WINDOWS BE SEPARATE, SEPARATED BY MUL OF AT LEAST SIX INCHES IN WIDTH.
AND FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT FINAL DETAILS AND HEIGHTS FOR ALL SITE FENCING THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER PAVING THE PARKING AREA WITH PERVIOUS MATERIALS THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM.
THERE'S ALSO A CASE COMMENT, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR A FOUNDATION SETBACK INSPECTION.
UH, AND IF THE APPLICANT CHOOSES TO INSTALL A STANDING SEA METAL ROOF, THERE'S A COMMENT REGARDING, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN INSPECTION FOR THAT THE APPLICANT, MR. ADRIAN VEGA HERE IN PERSON, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT AFTER, UH, THE POSTING OF THE AGENDA HAS WORKED ON A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT, UH, THAT HE BELIEVES WILL ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS.
UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT WHAT'S SHOWN IN THAT DOCUMENT IS NOT DIRECTLY REFLECTED IN STAFF'S FINDINGS, UH, BUT THAT IF YOU ALL CHOOSE, YOU CAN REVIEW THAT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT DOES ADDRESS SOME OF STAFF STIPULATIONS.
THERE'S ALSO A VOICEMAIL, UH, FOR THIS ITEM WHEN THE TIME COMES.
UM, ADRIAN, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE A SMALL PRESENTATION, OR SINCE THIS IS RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD, IF WE JUST WANT TO JUMP INTO STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN IF THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE, I CAN BRING UP THE SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT THAT MAY BE, UH, A BIT MORE EFFICIENT FOR TOM.
YES, IF WE HAVE UPDATED DOCUMENTS THAT ADDRESS THE STIPULATIONS, COULD YOU BRING THOSE UP? ALRIGHT.
UH, THE FIRST STIPULATION OF APPROVAL WAS THAT AN UPDATED SETBACK DIAGRAM BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT SHOWS THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IN CONTEXT WITH THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ACTUALLY NOTED THE, UM, SCROLL TO IT.
THE APP APPLICANT'S ACTUALLY NOTED THE, UH, INDIVIDUAL LOCATION OF EACH STRUCTURE.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS NOTED, UM, THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE HAS A 15 FOOT SETBACK.
THE APPLICANT'S NOTED WHERE THE 15 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THE APPLICANT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THE SETBACK OF THE SOUTHERNMOST STRUCTURE WILL BE GREATER THAN THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE NEXT DOOR.
UM, FOR CONTEXT, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDED A STREET ELEVATION, UH, NOTING THE OVERALL HEIGHTS OF THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE NEXT DOOR AT 25 FEET IN THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UH, GENERALLY THE STAFF BELIEVES A SETBACK DIAGRAM THAT'S SUBMITTED CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS TO BE SET BEHIND THE, THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURE, UM, THAT ADDRESSES STAFF'S COMMENT AND THAT STIPULATION.
UH, THE SECOND STIPULATION WAS AT THE, THAT ADDITIONAL PORCH AND ENTRANCE ELEMENTS BE ADDED TO THE SOUTHERN STRUCTURES NOTED IN FINDINGS.
F N AND R UH, STAFF COMMENTED THAT A WRAPAROUND PORCH WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CONDITION FOR THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE.
UH, AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE BLOCK, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS GONE TO, UH, INCORPORATING A WRAPAROUND PORCH ELEMENT.
UM, I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO WHAT'S INCORPORATED THERE.
IT'S NOT QUITE THE EXTENT OF WHAT STAFF WOULD FIND TO BE APPROPRIATE OR WHAT WOULD FIND TO BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
BUT ADRIAN, IF YOU WANNA COMMENT ON, UH, WHAT WAS DONE HERE, UH, FOR REFERENCE OR CONTEXT, I'LL PULL UP, UH, WHAT STAFF REVIEWED, UH, AND HOW THAT RELATES TO, OR HOW THE, THE UPDATES RELATE TO WHAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED.
WELL, AT THE BEGINNING WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE PURCHASE LIKE, LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO, UH, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF, UH, OF THE STAFF, WE JUST TOOK DOWN A LITTLE BIT OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
TAKE OUT A LITTLE OF OF SQUARE FOOTAGE SO WE COULD ADD THIS, UH, CORNER FRONT, UH, FRONT PORCH FOR EACH ONE OF THE PROPERTIES.
WE ALSO ADDED THE, THE, UM, BALCONY FOR THE MASTER BEDROOM IN THE, IN THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THE NEXT STIPULATION, UH, THAT I WILL GO UP TO, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE EAST FACADE UNIT 1 0 2, WHICH IS CURRENTLY VOID OF FENESTRATION.
UM, I'LL GO TO WHAT STAFF REVIEWED, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE COMMENTING ON.
UH, SO THIS RIGHT HERE, SO, UM, IF YOU COULD SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS, THIS WOULD BE PA HONDO.
UM, THIS ENTIRE, UH, SECTION OF WALL HERE WOULD BE VOID OF FENESTRATION.
THERE'S A STAIRCASE IN THIS LOCATION.
UH, SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REASON.
AND, UM, ADRIAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED.
SO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO WHY YOU DON'T BELIEVE A WINDOW OR FENESTRATION SHOULD BE ADDED THERE.
UM, YEAH, WELL THE, THE MAIN REASON WE DIDN'T ADD THAT WINDOW IS BECAUSE SINCE THE STAIRS ARE IN THAT AREA,
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I THINK IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR THE OWNER TO, TO GIVE MAINTENANCE TO THAT WINDOW.SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T PUT THEM.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MUST DO, WE WE CAN DO IT.
AND COMMISSIONERS, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTION ON THE FLOOR PLAN THERE IS THE STAIRCASE AND WHERE STAFF IS REQUESTING WINDOWS TO BE ADDED.
ALRIGHT, THE NEXT STIPULATION WAS, UH, THAT THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE APPROVED POLICY GUIDE.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, SORRY, LET ME SCROLL TO IT.
IT, UM, ALUMINUM CLYDE WOOD WINDOWS, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS PROPOSED THE JED ONE PRODUCT.
UM, BUT ALUMINUM CLYDE WOOD WINDOWS IN THE PROFILE THAT THE APPLICANT'S SHOWN HERE ARE APPROPRIATE.
UH, STAFF WILL REVIEW, UH, MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THOSE ARE CONSISTENT AND APPROPRIATE WITH THE APPROVED POLICY GUIDE.
AND THEN THE LAST STIPULATION, UH, WAS IN REGARDS TO, UM, WAS IN REGARDS TO THE FENCING HEIGHTS AND LOCATIONS.
UH, STAFF ALSO HAD A RECOMMENDATION FOR PERVIOUS OR SUGGESTION THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER PERVIOUS PAVING, UH, IN THE PARKING LOCATIONS SHOWN HERE AT THE REAR.
UH, AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THAT STIPULATION, UH, WAS THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW.
UM, THAT'S A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE APPLICANT'S SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTS.
UH, SO I CAN PULL THE TIMER UP NOW IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS.
MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
ACTUALLY, LET'S GET THE VOICEMAIL FIRST PLEASE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNS CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WHI HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 4 4 LOCATED AT 1 0 1 PASO.
WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
THE MASSING IS TOO GREAT AS STATED IN THE SECTION D LOT COVERAGE BUILDING TO LOT RATIO NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING TO LOT RATIO, LIMIT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION TO NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA UNLESS ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT WITH A GREATER BUILDING TO LOT RATIO.
THESE TWO STRUCTURES OVERWHELM THE OTHER SINGLE STORY HOUSES ON THIS BLOCK.
IT GOES AGAINST ITEM D IN THE FINDING SECTION INFILL DESIGN APPLICATION SUPPLEMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED INFILL DESIGN APPLICATION SUPPLEMENT, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT ACCURATELY IDENTIFIED THE CONTEXT AREA PER THE INFILL DESIGN APPLICATION.
SUPPLEMENT INSTRUCTIONS, THE CONTEXT AREA MUST ESTABLISH, MUST BE ESTABLISHED USING PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED CONTEXT LOTS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE RECOMMENDED CONTEXT AREA, NOT THE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE BLOCK ITSELF.
THERE ARE TWO EXISTING OLD GROWTH TREES ON THESE LOTS, WHICH CANNOT BE CUT DOWN.
THE DEVELOPER MUST TAKE THESE TREES INTO CONSIDERATION IN HIS DESIGN.
THERE IS NO PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THE FRONT UNIT AND THE OWNERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO PARK ON THE STREET.
LASTLY, LACK OF YARD SPACE FOR OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES.
MR. VEGA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE VOICEMAIL? YES, OF COURSE.
UM, WELL FOR THE, UH, MASS OF THE BUILDING, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE SAYS WE'RE OVER THE 50% RADIO WE ARE WITHIN THAT, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THE 50% RATIO.
SO I DUNNO WHY, WHY SHE SAYS THAT WE'RE OVER THE MASS AS WELL.
I LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE, OF THIS LOT.
WE HAVE A FIVE STORY BUILDING, UH, HOTEL.
SO, UH, WELL I DON'T THINK THIS, UH, STRUCTURE IS GONNA CREATE A, LIKE AN APPEARANCE OF A GREATER MASS.
AND, UH, SHE'S ALSO STATING THAT WE DIDN'T USE THE, UH, IN THE APPLICATION, WE DIDN'T USE THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES.
BUT AS YOU CAN JUST SEE, LIKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO, WE, WE, IN ONE OF THE, IN ONE OF THE, UH, IN ONE OF THE EXAMPLES, WE HAVE, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE RIGHT ADJACENT STRUCTURE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S JUST NEXT TO THE, THE LOT.
SO, UH, AND, UH, AS WELL FOR THE PARKING LOT WE'RE LIVING, UH, WE'RE GIVING A A SPACE FOR, FOR, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE LEFT PART OF THE, OF THE LOT, WE HAVE FOUR, UH, UH, PARKING LOT SPACES, ONE PER EACH UNIT.
SO, UH, UH, AS WELL FOR THE TREES.
UH, I ALREADY TALKED TO THE, UH, THREE SENIOR, UH, INSPECTOR ADRIANA GOZ AND I, I REVIEWED THIS CASE WITH HER.
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ME TO GIVE HER A, UH, SURVEY.I ALREADY SENT IT TO HER AND SHE GAVE ME THE APPROVAL TO TAKE DOWN THOSE TREES BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA PUT BRAND NEW TREES ALL OVER THE, ALL OVER THE LOT.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN, IN THIS SITE PLAN, WE'RE PLANTING SEVERAL MORE TREES THAN REQUESTED.
SO BASED ON THAT, UH, SHE SAID THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE DOWN THOSE TREES.
WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WHEN, WHEN TALKING TO, TO, UM, ABOUT THE SITE THAT HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS FACING MESQUITE, RIGHT? YES.
BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THERE'S TWO ADDRESSES THAT, THAT WE'RE COMING UP.
UH, WELL, THE ACTUAL ADDRESS, IT'S 1 0 3 PAON, UH, IT USED TO BE 1 0 1, BUT WHEN I SUBMITTED FOR THE ADDRESSING DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY GAVE IT 1 0 3 PAON.
'CAUSE THE MAP'S NOT NOT COMING OUT CLEARLY.
UM, SO YOU ADDRESSED, UM, THE QUESTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UM, I MEAN THE DIGNA, WOOD HILL CONCERNED NEIGHBORS, CITIZENS, I'M SORRY.
UM, BUT ONE QUESTION WHEN IT CAME TO THE PARKING.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ONE SPACE PER UNIT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES.
CURIOUS AS TO WHY? ONLY ONE, AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS NOT EVERYONE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MORE THAN ONE VEHICLE, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ONE ADULT LIVING IN THEIR HOME.
SO, SO I GUESS THERE IS SOME CREDENCE TO WHAT THE, UM, CONCERNED CITIZENS ARE SAYING IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD THEN BE ADDED TO THE STREET.
AND SO IT'S ALREADY LIMITED THERE.
SO CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT PLEASE? YES, OF COURSE.
WELL, THE REASON WE JUST PUT ONE PARKING LOT PER UNIT, IT'S 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE IN THE LOT TO PUT MORE PARKING SPACES.
WE COULD ADD MORE PARKING SPACES, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET RID OF THE YARDS.
AND I, THAT'S LIKE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE, UH, APPROPRIATE AS WELL THAT THE ENTRANCE AND THE ADDRESSES FROM PASO HONDA.
SO WE CANNOT HAVE PARKING LOTS IN THAT, UH, BY THAT ENTRANCE.
SO YOU JUST REALLY, UM, CLARIFIED THEIR CONCERN.
YOU'VE MENTIONED BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE AND SO THEREFORE NOW YOU'RE CROWDING MORE IN THERE AND THAT'S, THAT'S CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN DO TO ADDRESS THAT TO MAKE IT BETTER? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU HAD TO TAKE AWAY THE YARDS OF THIS NATURE.
I MEAN, THINKING CREATIVELY, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE TO ORDER TO HELP, UM, ALLEVIATE THEIR CONCERNS? WELL, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO ADD PARKING SPACES RIGHT IN BETWEEN OF THOSE OF THE TWO STRUCTURES.
'CAUSE MAYBE WE COULD ADD UP MORE SPACES, PARKING SPACES IN, IN BETWEEN OF THE TWO, TWO, UH, STRUCTURES.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HELP THEIR CONCERNS.
SO IF YOU CAN DO THAT, I WOULD DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS TOO.
UM, I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA ABLE TO PUT THAT RIGHT THERE AS WHEN THE BUILDINGS ARE, WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH UNIT? UH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, ONE, LET ME SEE, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
SO THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BOTH STRUCTURES, IT'S THREE 3,600 SQUARE FEET? NO, EACH UNIT IS HOW MANY? IT'S UNIT IS 1600.
AND WHAT ARE YOUR CEILING HEIGHTS ON THE SECOND FLOOR? IT'S THREE.
I DON'T REM I DON'T HAVE, I THINK YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE, UH, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, WELL, FROM THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT, UH, TO THE FINISHED FLOOR, HEIGHT OF THE SECOND LEVEL IS 11 FEET, FIVE INCHES.
I CAN'T SEE WHAT THE OTHER MEASUREMENT IS.
YEAH, AND I GUESS THE OTHER ONE COULD BE LIKE A EIGHT FOOT CEILING.
AND THEN MY, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, SO YOU SAID YOU ADDED SOME, SO THIS THE, WHEN I'M COMPARING THE PACKAGE THAT WE RECEIVED AND THEN THE NEW ONES, I DON'T SEE THE CHANGES IN THE FRONT PORCH, UH, BALCONIES.
SO, UM, ONE THING THAT STAFF HAS, HAS RECOMMENDED, UM, WITHIN THIS REVIEW AS WELL AS, UM, THIS PROJECT CAME, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SO AND RECEIVED CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THAT WAS A DIFFERENT APPLICANT AND OWNER, BUT THE DESIGN IS LARGELY THE SAME.
WAS THAT, UH, SINCE THIS IS AT A CORNER, UH, THERE SHOULD BE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENTRANCE ELEMENTS THAT ADDRESS BOTH STREETS.
UH, THIS IS A CONSISTENT RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF,
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UH, IN THE CONTEXT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY TWO STORY NEW CONSTRUCTION.UM, SO THE, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL STIPULATIONS WAS THAT THE APPLICANT IN INCLUDE ENTRANCE ELEMENTS ON BOTH FACADES.
UM, WHEN I MET WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR THIS REVIEW, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES WE DISCUSSED, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WRAPAROUND ELEMENT MAY INCORPORATE, UM, A, A SIDE BAY OR A SIDE ELEMENT WHERE THE ENTRANCE ELEMENTS MAY BE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE APPLICANT'S GOT HIS, HIS DIRECTION AS FAR AS SQUARE FOOTAGE AS THEY NEED.
BUT ONE OF THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS WAS WRAPAROUND PORCH ELEMENTS THAT ADDRESS BOTH NORTH HA OR EXCUSE ME, NORTH MESQUITE AS WELL AS PASO HONDA.
UH, SO WHAT THE APPLICANT'S DONE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN IS HE'S BEGUN TO INCORPORATE A WRAPAROUND PORCH ELEMENT AND ENTRANCE ELEMENTS LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON A HOUSE THAT HAD A WRAPAROUND PORCH WHERE THERE MAY BE A DOOR, UH, WHERE THIS WINDOW IS, OR THERE MAY BE ANOTHER WINDOW HERE.
AND, AND SOME, TYPICALLY ANOTHER DOOR WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.
UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE GENERAL FORM AND DESIGN OF WHAT, UM, IS SHOWN, THE APPLICANT'S BEGUN TO REQUEST THAT.
UH, NOW I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS A SETBACK ISSUE FOR WHY THERE'S, SORRY, WHY THERE'S NOT, UH, A DISTINCT PORCH ELEMENT THAT YOU MAY SEE OR SOME TYPE OF, UH, DEFINITION FOR A PORCH HERE.
UH, BUT THIS IS THE, THE REVISED DESIGN.
UM, AND THEN I WILL, UH, THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT STAFF REVIEWED.
SO BASICALLY THAT FRONT PORCH ON THE CORNER ELEMENT CORNER HOUSE HAS GONE FROM A STRAIGHT PORCH TO AN L-SHAPED PORCH.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF MOVING TOWARD DISCUSSION OF THE PROJECT.
SO JUST IN THE INTEREST OF DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
TODAY'S ITERATION WE SEE ON THE SCREEN.
'CAUSE THERE WERE UPDATES PRESENTED TODAY.
IT INCLUDES, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AS PRESENTED WITH THE DISSOLVED CORNER AND ALL THAT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I WOULD LIKE TO DO A DIFFERENT MOTION.
I, I THINK, I THINK THERE'S SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE FULLY, AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE JUST APPROVING IT AS PRESENTED TODAY.
I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS LIKE THE PARKING, I THINK SO I'LL SAY, UM, I'LL APPROVE CONCEPTUAL MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
WITH, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.
AND, AND BASICALLY IT'S BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY THAT I THINK YOU'RE GETTING A RIGHT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT STAFF IS ASKING.
I THINK STAFF HAS IT RIGHT ON ONE OF THESE, BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS, UM, IS THE PARKING.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN MITIGATE THAT.
DINU ALREADY HAS A LOT OF PARKING ISSUES AND I DO TAKE THAT CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF HEAVY.
SOMEONE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW OR HOW WAYS TO DO IT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, RETHINKING THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THE WINDOWS, THE STIPULATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE WINDOWS AND I, YOU SAID YES, I'LL ADD THEM, BUT I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT LAST, YOU KNOW, HOW IT LOOKED WITH THOSE WINDOWS THAT WOULD LIKE, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THAT SECOND FLOOR.
AND THEN, UH, THE PORCH ENTRANCE, I THINK YOU, YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS THE RIGHT, BUT I LIKE THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE, NOT THE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE LIKE, KIND OF GANGED UP IN THE CORNER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SIMILARLY SEE.
MAYBE INSTEAD OF THAT WINDOW DOING A DOOR LIKE STAFF SUGGESTED.
SO JUST FURTHER EXPLORING THAT, UM, FRONT PORCH.
UM, COMMISSIONER FISH HAS HIS HAND RAISED, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER FISH HEAD OF, OH, COMMISSIONER FISH.
MR. CHAIR, I, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, LATE.
I TRIED TO GET IN BEFORE THE MOTION ON THE QUESTION, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, FOR THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO O H WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED? UH, SINCE, SINCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN REGARDS TO A RATIO ISN'T WITHIN OUR PURVIEW? UM, I'M, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, THE APPLICANT MAY KNOW THAT, UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, A SPECIFIC ZONING QUESTION.
UH, ACTUALLY I WENT TO ZONING.
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I WENT TO LAND, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT.THAT'S THE DEPARTMENT THAT IS RIGHT HERE.
AND THEY SAID THAT THERE ARE NO, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING LOT.
THEY SAID THAT THOSE ARE OPTIONAL.
IF I WANNA PUT THEM, I CAN PUT THEM.
IF I DON'T WANNA PUT THEM, I DON'T HAVE TO PUT THEM.
SO, UH, JUST LIKE, THAT'S WHY WE ADDED JUST THE FOUR OF THEM.
'CAUSE THEY SAID THAT IT'S NOT LIKE A REQUIREMENT.
SO WE, WE THOUGHT LIKE, OKAY, LET'S PUT FOUR PARKING SPACES HERE.
SO EACH UNIT HAS ONE PARKING SPOT, UH, IN CASE THEY HAVE ANOTHER CAR, WELL, THEY CAN PARK IN THE STREET.
WE ACTUALLY RIGHT NEXT TO OUR LOT, WE HAVE, UH, A U-HAUL, SO THEY HAVE THE TRUCKS PARKED IN THE SIDEWALK.
SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, SEE IF THEY CAN PARK IN THE SIDEWALK.
MAYBE ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THIS UNITS COULD PARK IN THIS SIDEWALK AS WELL, IF THEY HAVE TWO CARS.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ONLY LIKE LEAVE THE FOUR PARKING SPACES THERE.
MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR, I'LL, I'LL DIRECT MY COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, FROM HERE, FROM HERE ON OUT, I, I HAVE SOME CONCERN, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, UH, REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES BEYOND WHAT WOULD HISTORICALLY BE AVAILABLE, UM, IN, IN THE, UH, DISTRICT.
SOME OF THE APRONS, UH, THAT EXIST, I THINK THERE'S AN APRON ON THE SIDE STREET DON'T QUITE MAKE SENSE TO ME WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT APRON OR WHERE IT ALIGNS WITH THE EXISTING, UH, STRUCTURES.
AND I THINK THERE WAS, UH, AN APRON ON PASO HONDO THAT I GUESS IS ALSO BEING ABANDONED.
SO I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING CONFIGURATION, LESS ABOUT THE NUMBER AND MORE ABOUT HOW THE PARKING IS INTEGRATED IN THE SITE.
UM, SO I, I HAVE SOME, SOME RESERVATIONS THERE, BUT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THOSE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ARTICULATED.
AND ON THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, I HAD ONE, ONE COMMENT THAT MIGHT STRENGTHEN THE, UH, IMPACT OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, PARTICULARLY ON THE CORNER UNIT, IS THAT THE UPPER LEVEL IS ADJUSTED TO ALIGN WITH, UH, THE LOWER LEVEL.
UH, RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE SECOND STORY IS, UH, OVER SPANNING THE WRAPAROUND PORCH ON THE FIRST, THE FIRST STORY BY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET, KIND OF MAKING THAT OVERHANG SITUATION.
IF THOSE WERE TO BE BROUGHT IN ALIGNMENT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A STRONGER ELEMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S THE, THE SUM OF MY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
UM, I HAVE A, A QUESTION ACTUALLY FOR THE MOTION.
UM, ARE YOU INCORPORATING ANY OF STAFF'S COMMENTS PARTICULARLY OF THE, UH, THE WINDOW, UH, SUGGESTION AT THE, AT THE STAIRWELL, OR IS IT ONLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN TODAY? NO, IT WAS CONCEPTUAL WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND I THINK, YEAH, WHEN I CLARIFIED THOSE ARE A SPECIFIC ITEM THAT I ALSO WANNA SEE EXPLORED THAT I DO BELIEVE IT'S NEEDED.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? UH, YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, FORGIVE MY, UH, UH, ASKING, I, I, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, YOUR COMMENT PROCESS WAS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION AND THE SECOND OF THE MOTION, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE ORDER THAT YOU, YOU FOLLOW TYPICALLY, UM, I, I WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS TO, TO THE, TO THE APPLICANT, WHATEVER THE COMMISSION, UH, FEELS IS, IS, UM, UH, THE, THE GREATEST CONCERN OR, OR OR AT LEAST SATISFIES THEIR GREATEST CONCERNS ARE GENERALLY FINE WITH ME, BUT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE THERE'S A UNIT TOO MUCH IN THE, IN THE DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
THE, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC HOUSE IN THE AREA.
AND IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GRADUATE YOUR DESIGN UP TO A SECOND LEVEL ON THIS SIDE, PERHAPS THAT THAT SURFACE COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S AN AMENITY TO A, TO A SECOND FLOOR, THIRD, THIRD UNIT, OR TO A, UM, TO A SECOND FLOOR SINGLE, SINGLE UNIT AMENITY.
UM, BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS THAT IN THE LONG RUN, THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, THE, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO STORY AND THE ONE STORY BEING THAT THE ONE STORY IS SUCH AN OLD BUILDING, IT'S BEEN AROUND SO LONG AND IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? IT'S PROBABLY THE ONE THING THAT YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU SEE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT WHEN YOU SEE THAT HOUSE.
SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALSO MAYBE ALLEVIATE SOME OF YOUR PARKING CONCERNS MM-HMM.
BUT IF IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMISSION, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME.
UM, SARAH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR, UM, CONSIDERING THE PARKING, EVEN THOUGH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW HERE TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT WHEN I KNOW IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR YOU TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE CHECKED WITH, YOU KNOW, ZONING AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY IT IS NO, IT'S NOTHING THERE THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO, BUT I THINK
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THAT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU'RE COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THINGS OF NATURE IS THAT YOU WANNA CONTINUE TO DO BUSINESS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE THE GOODWILL OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CONCERNED CITIZENS AND THINGS OF NATURE.
SO, SO JUST CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT, AND I'M NOT CALLING YOU A BULLY, SO DON'T TAKE IT LIKE THIS WAY, BUT NOT JUST BEING, SAYING, OKAY, I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, SO I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO, BUT JUST CONSIDER WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THINKING BECAUSE THESE ARE CONCERNS OF THEIRS.
AND SO IF THESE FEW PEOPLE ARE VOICING THOSE CONCERNS, OTHERS HAVE IT TOO.
AND WHO JUST, WHO MAY HAVE JUST NOT SAID ANYTHING CONCERN THAT.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR.
UM, AND I WOULD ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IN THE, IN THE CONCERN FOR PARKING AND MAYBE EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE JUST UNDER THE 50%, UH, BUILT STRUCTURES TO THE SITE, UM, THE SCALE OF THESE MAY BE, AGAIN, MAYBE A LITTLE OVERWHELMING FOR THE SITE.
UH, YES, YOU'VE GOT A FIVE STORY MOTEL ACROSS THE STREET, BUT YOU'RE IN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE BLOCK.
UM, AND ONE POSSIBILITY MIGHT BE IF YOU HAD, INSTEAD OF FOUR UNITS HAD THREE UNITS, AND THEN YOUR PARKING COULD BE, UH, TANDEM PARKING AND YOU'D PICK UP SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING IF YOU REMOVE THAT FURTHEST NORTH UNIT.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, WITH THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND THE, UM, I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE, THE, UM, MOTION OR TO INCLUDE DISCUSSION OF THE PARKING AND THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
UM, I THOUGHT I DID, BUT I MEAN, I CAN CLARIFY IT AND YEAH.
YES, IF YOU CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, AND ADD A STIPULATION TO EXPLORE.
UH, WELL, THE OTHER IDEAS, ADDITIONAL PARKING.
ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, PROBLEMS WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS PROJECT IS THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO, OR THE NUMBERS TO WORK, SO AT LEAST MAKE A, AN EVENT DON'T LOSE MONEY.
UH, WE HAVE TO BUILD UP MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO AT, AT AS THE WAY AT THE BREAK, RIGHT AS IT IS, UH, FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, TO SAIL.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE PRACTICALLY EVEN, SO IF WE TAKE ONE UNIT, WE'RE GONNA END UP LOSING A LOT OF MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE, WE, WE LEAVE THE, THE, THE FOUR UNITS INSTEAD OF LEAVING JUST THREE BECAUSE WE, IF WE TAKE OUT, IF WE TAKE OUT ONE UNIT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE TO SELL.
AND SO THE BUSINESS IS NOT GONNA WORK.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ROLL CALL PLEASE.
UM, JUST FOR STAFF, UH, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE SCREEN HERE IN THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION AT THE APPLICANT, EXPLORE ADDITIONAL PARKING.
AND, AND MAYBE, AND JUST THE LAST COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT IS THERE ARE SOME, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND SPEAK TO US INFORMALLY, SO MAYBE COME WHAT'S CALLED A D R C TO KIND OF JUST, YOU KNOW, PREVIEW US WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OF MAKING CHANGES BEFORE COMING TO THE COMMISSION SO WE REALLY CAN, SO YOU DON'T COME BACK AGAIN HERE AND WE STILL FURTHER HAVE TO DISCUSS THESE ELEMENTS.
JUST TO NOTE THIS, APPLICANT HAS BEEN TO A D R C AND UM, UH, HE HAS BEEN DEVELOPING THE PLANS, UH, WITH D R C AND, UM, STAFF'S COMMENTS IN MIND, BUT, UH, I THINK SINCE IT IS A NEW OWNER, NEW, UM, DESIGNER THAT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS PROBABLY APPROPRIATE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 8 0 2 50 LAUREL HEIGHTS PLACE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A SITE ADDITION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 1080 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND TWO TO CONSTRUCT A DETACHED REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 660 FEET SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME AS A CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET AS NOT YET BEEN DEVELOPED WITH DETAILS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.
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RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION BE SHIFTED TOWARD THE REAR OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AS TO NOT OBSCURE ORIGINAL, UH, AND PROMINENT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED COURTYARD WALL SHOULD BE ELIMINATED OR MOVED TO THE, TO THE SIDE OF THE ARCH WINDOW AS TO NOT OBSCURE.
THE SIDE ARCH WINDOW IS NOTED IN FINDING B THAT THE APPLICANT DEVELOPED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS SET THAT FEATURES DIMENSION CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND DETAILS AND MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR REVIEW FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
AND FOR THAT, THE PROPOSED STEEL WINDOWS SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE REGARDING FINISH AND INSTALLATION DEPTH WINDOWS SHOULD NOT FEATURE FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS OR INTERNAL GRILLS.
UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. UH, MAURICIO TAFOYA, I BELIEVE IS, UH, JOINING US VIRTUALLY.
MR. TAFOYA, ARE YOU THERE? YOU SHOULD BE UNMUTED.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TALKING MR. TEFOYA, DO YOU WANNA TRY TO CALL IN? THERE SHOULD BE A PHONE NUMBER YOU CAN CALL ON THE INFORMATION THAT EDWARD SHARED.
CIO TAFOYA, I, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SECOND ONE HAS A, A MUTE ICON WHERE THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T.
SO MR. TAFOYA, MAYBE JUST UNMUTE NOW.
THERE, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
SORRY, I, I HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR SOME REASON THE, THE WINDOWS JUST WENT BLANK.
ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO, TO SEE EVERYTHING IN HERE CLEARLY NOW? YEP.
YEAH, I SEE EVERYONE, UM, SEE THE PRESENTATION.
UH, WELL, UM, I'VE JUST READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AND HAVE GONE OVER OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, INCLUDING THE STIPULATIONS.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER EACH OF THOSE STIPULATIONS NOW, UM, PLEASE DO SO.
UH, IF NOT, I CAN READ THE STIPULATIONS INTO THE RECORD AGAIN.
UH, AND YOU CAN COMMENT ON EACH OF THOSE, UH, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER? YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND READING 'EM, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE HIGHLY APPRECIATED.
UH, SO THE FIRST STIPULATION WAS THAT, UM, THE PROPOSED ADDITION BE SHIFTED TOWARD THE REAR OF THIS STORAGE STRUCTURE, THAT TO NOT OBSCURE THE ORIGINAL ARCHED ELEMENT AND THE ORIGINAL SIDE WING.
UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, UM, IN THIS PHOTO HERE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A PHOTO FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THIS RIGHT HERE IS AN ORIGINAL SIDE WING.
UH, THERE'S A SANDBORN MAP THAT I CAN PULL UP AS WELL.
RIGHT HERE IS THAT SMALL SIDE WING.
UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT SHIFT THE PROPOSED ADDITION TOWARD THE REAR OF THAT, UH, AS TO NOT OBSCURE.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, UM, THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND, UH, THAT ADDITIONS BE LOCATED WHERE THEY DON'T OBSCURE PRIMARY, UH, FACADES OR FACADES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, STAFF FINDS THAT WITH THIS WING HERE BEING AN ORIGINAL ELEMENT, IT IS A PROMINENT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE AND FEATURES, UH, AMASSING OR AMASSING ELEMENT THAT'S SIGNIFICANT TO THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
IN THAT SAME SENSE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A COURTYARD WALL ELEMENT HERE.
UH, WE COULD ACTUALLY READ THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN ELEVATION.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS THE ACTUAL ELEVATION FROM THE STREET, THE PARTIAL NORTH ELEVATION.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED THIS WALL HERE.
UH, THIS WALL WOULD ACTUALLY AS SHOWN IN THE EAST ELEVATION, OBSCURE THE ORIGINAL ARCHED WINDOW OR THE ARCHED WINDOW ELEMENT HERE, AND PARTIALLY ENCLOSED THE FRONT WING.
UM, IF WE WANNA LOOK AT THIS IN A SENSE OF HOW WE WOULD LOOK AT A WALL THAT WOULD SERVE AS A PRIVACY FENCE, WHICH THIS IS DOING, STAFF WOULD TYPICALLY AND CONSISTENTLY RECOMMEND, UH, THAT THAT WALL BE, UH, SHIFTED TOWARD THE REAR, UH, IS, IS SHOWN BY MY CURSOR.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, COMMENT, UH, AND THE REASON WHY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, UH, AND NOT FINAL APPROVAL IS, UH, JUST SIMPLY THE, UH, TYPICALLY WHEN REVIEWING AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PERMIT SET OR, OR DOCUMENTS ARE THAT ARE DEVELOPED TO THE POINT TO WHERE, UM, WHAT THE COMMISSION APPROVES, UH, FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH
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WHAT'S GONNA BE PERMITTED AND BUILT.UH, THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD THEN NEED TO BE RE RE-REVIEWED.
UM, WE ALSO TYPICALLY SEE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, SO WINDOW PRODUCTS, UM, THERE'S A, A SPECIFIED, UH, MATERIALS ARE SPECIFIED, FINISHES ARE SPECIFIED.
UH, AND SO WHEN LOOKING AT THE PLAN, STAFF DOESN'T FIND THE PLAN IS QUITE TO THAT LEVEL.
UH, AND SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION FOR A DEVELOPED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET FOR REVIEW FOR A C O A.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST STIPULATION, UM, IS THAT, UH, SORRY, LET ME, UM, THAT THE STILL WINDOWS BE CONSISTENT WITH STAFF STANDARDS, UM, UH, OR THE STANDARD, UM, UH, THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE.
UH, SO MORE OR LESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A PRODUCT SHEET OR PRODUCT BOOK FOR FROM THE WINDOW SUPPLIER, THE MANUFACTURER, UH, AND THEN THE, THE A DOCUMENT FROM THE APPLICANT NOTING THE INSTALLATION DEPTH OF EACH WINDOW STATING THAT THEY'LL MATCH MM-HMM.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE, THE OVERVIEW OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, AND I'LL LET MR. TAFOYA, UH, YEAH, NO, I, I, I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE STIPULATIONS, SO ON THE FIRST ONE, JUST TO KIND OF COMMENT ONE BY ONE, THAT FIRST ONE, SHIFTING THE REAR, SHIFTING THE, THE ADDITION TO THE REAR SIDE OF THAT HISTORIC, UH, STRUCTURE.
SO ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT, UH, KIND OF BUDDING UP TO IT AND JUST KIND OF OFFSETTING JUST ENOUGH TO, TO DELINEATE THE, THE OLD VERSUS A NEW IS REALLY TO, THERE'S TWO, TWO THINGS REALLY.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE SITE PLAN ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THAT ADDITION ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THAT ADDITION, HUGE MATURE TREE, UH, THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PROTECT, AND THEREFORE THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S CAUSING, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S CAUSING US TO PUSH BACK ENOUGH TO AVOID THAT CRITICAL ROOT ZONE.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, UH, YOU MIGHT BE ASKING, WELL, YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY ACCOMPLISH THAT BY MOVING EVERYTHING UP AND NOT HAVING A COURTYARD FACING THE STREET, RIGHT? BUT, UM, IN, IN THE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE, OF THE SITE PLAN, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO STRUCTURES, WHETHER IT'S THE ADDITION OR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE BACK IS ACTUAL CURRENT FLAT WORK IN THE PROPERTIES.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS OF DOING THIS IS REALLY TO, TO NOT ELIMINATE ANY MORE LANDSCAPE ZONES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
AND THE ONLY ONE AREA THAT IS GRAVEL AT THE MOMENT IS WHERE THE COURTYARD FOR THE GUEST ONE BEDROOM, UH, RESIDES AND PLAN.
THAT'S REALLY JUST MAINTAINING THE EXISTING, UH, LANDSCAPE FEATURES OF, OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND NOT TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANY MORE GREENERY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, MR. VOYA, MAYBE IF YOU WANNA RESPOND TO EVERYTHING AND THEN COMMISSIONERS
SO IF, IF YOU GO BACK TO STIPULATIONS, UM, THE COURTYARD WILL YEAH.
TO BE ELIMINATED, UM, REAR SIDE OF THE REAR SIDE OF THE ARCHED WINDOW.
SO, SO THE ARCHED WINDOW RIGHT NOW ON THAT ADDITION IS AN EXISTING, RIGHT? SO 'CAUSE WE'RE ADDING ON, SO THAT ARCHED THE EXISTING ARCH WINDOW RIGHT THERE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ENCLOSED, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A DOORWAY NOW INTO THE NEW EDITION HALLWAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN ELEVATION IS NOT AN EXISTING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
IF YOU GO TO, I THINK IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S SHEET 14 RIGHT THERE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE IT AND DO AN ARCHED DOORWAY RIGHT INTO THE PROPOSED HALLWAY.
BUT THAT ARCHED DOORWAY NOW HAS AN ARCHED WINDOW, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND THAT LEADS TO THAT GUEST ONE, UH, COURTYARD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING VIEWS, RIGHT? KIND OF VIEWS OUT, IT'S ALL ABOUT LANDSCAPE.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY COMMON, 1930, 1940S SPANISH, NEGLECTED STYLE OF HOMES.
UM, SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DETRACT FROM THAT AND WE'RE TRYING TO EMBRACE THOSE, UH, THOSE CONDITIONS THROUGHOUT.
AND I BELIEVE IF YOU GO TO, I THINK IT'S THE SECOND TO LAST SLIDE, UH, SLIDE 32, SORRY.
YOU CAN SEE THERE KIND OF A BEFORE AND AFTER, RIGHT? SO BEFORE IS THAT ARCHED WINDOW.
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UM, AND THE RIGHT IS A PROPOSED, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY MAINTAINING THAT ARCHED OPENING AND THEN DOING AN ARCHED WINDOW BEYOND TO KIND OF RESPECT THE, THE ORIGINAL INTENT, UH, BOTH BY DOING THE ARCH WINDOW AND BY HAVING A VIEW OUT TO A LANDSCAPE ZONE.AND THEN SO, SO TO KIND OF ANSWER THE SIDE PLAN OR THE SIDEWALL, THE SIDEWALL GIVES THE CLIENTS, UM, GUEST ONE BEDROOM, SOME PRIVACY FROM THAT BUSY, UH, KIND OF SHOOK, UH, LAUREL HEIGHTS INTERSECTION, WHICH IS THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
BUT, BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT, THAT IT CAN'T BE SOLVED WITH SOME VERTICAL LANDSCAPE AS WELL.
UM, I JUST, I, I THINK REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S LANDSCAPE OR SIDEWALL, IT'LL BE COVERED UP.
AND I'M KIND OF SCARED THAT IF, IF WE WERE TO DO LANDSCAPE, UH, TO KIND OF RECREATE THE PRIVACY WALL, THAT IT FULLY ENCLOSES, UH, THAT KIND OF CONDITION, UH, ONCE THE LANDSCAPE IS MATURE.
AND THEN TO THE THIRD STIPULATION.
UH, YEAH, NO, I, UH, WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND THEN THE FOURTH, UH, AS WELL NOTED, SO CONFIRMED, THANK YOU.
UM, AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL, WE'LL TAKE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS NOW.
YEAH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, MR. TAFOYA, UM, I, I REALLY, REALLY LIKING THE, THE INTERIOR, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT, IF IT READS TRUE ON THE EXTERIOR, THEN IT, IT'S, UM, IT'S A CREDIT TO YOUR DESIGN WORK.
UM, I GOT A, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE MORE, UM, I GUESS MAYBE THEORETICAL, UH, YEAH.
THAN WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT SEE AS DIMENSIONAL, BUT THE, IT, IT'S VERY APPARENT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IMAGINING RIGHT, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE ARE THE PLACEMENT OF ALL YOUR ARCHITECTURAL ITEMS. ASIDE FROM THE TREE, I UNDERSTAND THE TREE, BUT WITH RESPECT TO WHAT I'M SEEING IN THE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE LINES, THERE ARE LINES THAT ARE INTENTIONAL IN TERMS OF THE, THE VIEW SHED OF THE PERSON WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE.
HOW INTENTIONAL WOULD YOU SAY YOUR DESIGN PROCESS, THE OUTCOME IS WITH RESPECT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR DESIGN LICENSE, RIGHT? AND I DON'T MEAN THAT IN TERMS OF YOUR ARCHITECTURAL LICENSE, BUT IN TERMS OF YOUR ARTISTIC LICENSE, HOW, HOW SOLID ARE YOU IN, IN YOUR FEELING THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THIS HOUSE? UH, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A PROCESS, RIGHT? I, I'D BE LYING IF I TOLD YOU, UH, THIS WAS KIND OF THE FIRST STAB AT, AT, AT AN ITERATION.
IT'S BEEN COLLABORATIVE WITH THE CLIENT, RIGHT? SO ONE IS MANAGING THE CLIENT AND HIS EXPECTATIONS, AND, AND ONE IS TRYING TO EDUCATE AS TO WHY, UH, WHY IT WANTS TO LOOK THIS WAY AND WHY, WHY THE SITE, WHY THE HOUSE, EXISTING HOUSE WANTS TO HAVE AN ADDITION, THAT THAT KIND OF TAKES THIS, THIS SHAPE AND FORM.
AND SO AGAIN, I THINK IT ALWAYS STARTS WITH FUNCTION, RIGHT? SO THE FLOOR PLAN IS, IS THE FIRST THING WE TAKE A STAB AT.
WE MAKE SURE THAT THE CLIENT'S NEEDS ARE MET, AND WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF PLAY HOMAGE TO, TO A 1930 SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE HOME, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL ABOUT CREATING THESE EXTERIOR SPACES.
IT'S ABOUT, UH, DEFINING SPACES AS WELL.
SO THE, THE NEW ADDITION NOW DEFINES AN OUTDOOR COURTYARD SPACE, AN OUTDOOR DINING SPACE, UM, AS OPPOSED TO BEFORE IT WAS JUST KIND OF, THERE WAS AN OVERFLOW OF FURNITURE.
THERE WASN'T REALLY SOME, THERE WAS AN ORDER WITHIN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY TRYING TO, TRYING TO DEFINE SPACES WITHIN, WITHIN THE, THE, THE LOT.
AND THEN ALSO TRYING TO CREATE EXPERIENCES FOR THE CLIENT THAT, THAT, THAT KIND OF RESPECT THE, THE ORIGINAL, UH, STRUCTURE, UH, AND THREE DIMENSIONALLY.
I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE, IT WAS, IT WAS EXTREMELY HARD AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DOING ADDITIONS, UH, TYING INTO EXISTING ROOF STRUCTURES IS ALWAYS, UH, THE HARD THING TO TACKLE.
UM, SO AFTER A COUPLE OF ITERATIONS, WE FOUND THIS ONE TO BE THE BEST ONE THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, I WOULDN'T SAY SEAMLESS, UH, BUT IT STARTS, IT STARTS ACCOMPLISHING THAT, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CLIENTS ARE, UH, VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD ABOUT, UM, IS THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE ADDITION OR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION POOL HOUSE TO FEEL, UH, LIKE A PATCH.
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IT TO FEEL THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S, UM, COHESIVE AND THAT, UM, IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, IT WANTS TO BE THERE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST, UM, AN AFTERTHOUGHT AND THEREFORE BECOMES AN EYESORE TO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.WELL, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE AND, UH, WELL DONE.
OTHER QUESTIONS? I A QUESTION, MR. YES.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER MIGHT HAVE HAD HIS HAND UP BEFORE ME.
ACTUALLY, I'M, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF THERE'S, UH, OTHER COMMISSION PLEASE.
I, I JUST, AND I'LL LET YOU DO THE MOTION.
SO IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 12 STAFF, SO CURRENTLY WHERE THE ADDITION IS GONNA GO, THERE'S LIKE, AND, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DRIVE.
THERE'S A CONCRETE PAD MM-HMM.
SO IF I LOOK AT THAT UPPER RIGHT PICTURE, THE CONCRETE PAD'S KIND OF LEFT OF AN AREA.
SO YOU'RE GONNA EXTEND THE CONCRETE PAD OUT, OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME THAT? HOW THAT NO, THE, THE CONCRETE PAD, WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY MORE CON TO THE PROJECT.
SO THE CONCRETE PAD STAYS AS IS.
UM, THE SIDEWALL REALLY LAND ALMOST THE HEIGHT OF THAT EXISTING SIDEWALL THAT YOU SEE THERE WITH THE DOOR.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE SIDEWALL WILL BE.
SO YOU KIND OF, BUT YOU'RE EXTENDING IT OUT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CONCRETE PAD ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT LINE? YES.
IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? IS THERE DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT? IS THERE GONNA BE A DIFFERENCE IN HEIGHT THEN? IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING THERE IS I, I'VE GOTTA STRAIGHT VIEW UP.
THAT'LL, THAT'LL HOPEFULLY EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE'S A GRADE CHANGE ACROSS THE SITE.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON ONE OF THE ELEVATIONS AS WELL ON THE PRESENTATION.
SO IT JUST, WHERE, WHERE THE FINISHED FLOOR IS LOWER THAN THAT CONCRETE PAD.
SO I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE SLIDES, IT'S ON ONE OF THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
UH, IF YOU GO TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, YEAH, THERE'S THAT ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S THAT ONE ON THE LEFT TOP LEFT.
SO YOU'RE ADDING THOSE STAIRS, NO STAIRS ARE THERE, THE STEPS ARE THERE, THERE, YOU SEE THERE ON BEHIND ON THOSE? YEAH, THOSE, UH, PLANTS THEY GO DOWN.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BACK.
ON SLIDE NUMBER 12, THAT EXISTING GATE AND FENCE, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THAT? THE EXISTING GATE AND FENCE? I BELIEVE IT IS, I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK, UH, OUR MODEL, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT IS A BETWEEN A SIX AND A HALF OR SEVEN FOOT FENCE.
AND WHAT IS THE PROPOSED HEIGHT OF YOUR COURTYARD WALL? I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT'S A SEVEN FOOT FENCE.
AND ON THE, IT'S ON THAT DAY, SO IT SHOULD BE SEVEN, I THINK, ON THE NEXT, YEAH, SEVEN FOOT.
SO YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THERE PRETTY MUCH.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.
I, I THINK THIS IS A REMARKABLY, UM, SENSITIVE DESIGN TO A, A REALLY SUBSTANTIAL, UM, AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
BUT I DO, UH, AGREE WITH STAFF AND I THINK THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEVELOPMENT IN SOME OF THOSE REFINEMENTS OF THINGS LIKE JUST WHAT THE, UH, CHAIRMAN WAS ASKING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THAT, UH, THAT, UH, COURTYARD GARDEN WALL.
SO I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS THREE AND FOUR.
UH, LET, LET ME, LET ME CORRECT THAT MOVE FOR APPROVAL, UH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THREE AND FOUR.
'CAUSE, UH, STIPULATION THREE IS BASICALLY DO CONCEPTUAL DISPERSED MM-HMM.
SO YOU'RE SECOND ENCODING STIPULATION ONE AND TWO.
NO, I THINK, UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT MADE A PRETTY, UH, CONVINCING, COMPELLING ARGUMENT AS TO WHY, UM, SHIFTING BACK WAS PROBLEMATIC DUE TO THE HISTORIC TREE AND THE OTHER, UH, UH, OBJECTIVES OF THE DESIGN INTENT HERE.
AND THEN MY SECOND STANCE, HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, YOU WANT TO EXPAND? NO, I, I, I THINK, I THINK I, I PREFACE MY, MY MOTION WITH MY COMMENTS.
SO I, I, I, I BELIEVE THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S WHY I'M, UH, UH, MOTIONING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
BUT I THINK THIS IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND, AND, UM, AND I'M VERY, I ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, ANYTHING?
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WELL, WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, JUST, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PAST AND FUTURE PROJECTS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE LOOK FOR IS NOT NECESSARILY THOSE QUANTITATIVE THINGS, BUT THE QUALITATIVE THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY A TRUE STATEMENT IN ARCHITECTURE IS THAT, THAT IT JUST IS PLEASING.AND, UH, THIS IS A SOLUTION THAT IS, IS PLEASING, BUT IT'S PLEASING BECAUSE OF THE PROPORTION PLACEMENT AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE, THE PERSON THAT IS THERE AND THE PERSON DRIVING BY WILL TAKE, AND I THINK IT'S ACHIEVED.
I, I, I'D ALSO JUST ADD THAT I'M SURE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ADDS TO THE, TO THE POSSIBILITY OF FINDING, UH, INSPIRATION.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I'LL PUT THE MOTION 'CAUSE IT'S CONCEPTUAL, BUT I STILL HAVE A, I STILL HAVE A CONCERN.
I STILL FEEL G AGREE WITH STAFF ON STIPULATION ONE AND TWO, AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE ON THE FURTHER, UM, REGARDING THAT, UM, ADDITION IN THE COURTYARD.
IS THERE A WAY MAYBE THAT I THINK MY CONCERN IS ONE IS THE ARCH, THE, THE ORIGINAL ARCH.
I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IF WE GO TO, UM, LIKE IT'S SLIDE 21, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SMALL ADDITION BETWEEN THE WALL AND THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS NEEDED FOR THAT GALLERY WALK.
BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, INSTEAD OF ADDING THAT ADDITION TO KIND OF HAVE THAT LIKE IT, IT'S KIND OF REPLACING THAT GATE THAT'S RIGHT NOW.
SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, EITHER LEAVING THAT, GIVING AN ACCESS TO THE COURTYARD AND THEN FURTHER DOWN, GIVING THE ENTRANCE TO KIND OF THE GUEST HOUSE.
I THINK THE WALL IS NOT THAT MUCH OF A CONCERN BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, PLANTERS AND I THINK YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO ADD, YOU KNOW, PLANTS ANYWAY, BUT WE'RE LOSING THAT, THAT GAP THAT'S BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND THE, AND THE, AND NEW ADDITION.
WE'RE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE TWO PILLARS IN THE DOOR.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT IN THE DESIGN, I'M NOT SAYING KEEPING THAT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, REFURBISH OR REDESIGNED AND A LITTLE BIT TO, WITH THE REST OF THE DESIGN.
I THINK THAT THE WHOLE PROJECT IS VERY PRETTY.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ VERY GOOD QUALITY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT LOOK LIKE THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL.
YEAH, NO, AND, AND I THINK TO, TO KIND OF COMMENT ON THAT WAS, UH, THAT'S HONESTLY BEEN PROBABLY THE, THE MOST CHALLENGING, UH, PORTION OF THIS PROJECT IS REALLY HOW TO CONNECT THE EXISTING WITH THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
UM, SO, UH, KIND OF GOING THROUGH H D R C GUIDELINES FOR ADDITIONS ABOUT STEPPING BACK, RIGHT? BOTH IN PLAN, UH, THREE DIMENSIONAL AND IN ROOF.
UH, SO REALLY THAT WAS KIND OF A RESPONSE TO THAT OF DOING ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THAT TRANSITION MR. CHAIR AND EXPERIENCE INTO THAT ADDITION.
UM, I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I SUPPORT, I I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S COMMENTS.
I THINK THE A THE ADDITION IS, UH, FAIRLY WELL MANAGED HERE.
AND I'D ALSO POINT OUT ON THE, ON THE GALL, KIND OF THE GALLERY CONNECTION THAT THAT APPEARS TO BE, UH, REVERSIBLE IN FUTURE CONTEXT OR AT LEAST UNDERSTOOD.
UH, I THINK VISUALLY I UNDERSTAND THAT AS AN ADDITION CLEARLY.
I GUESS I WOULD ADD THAT, UH, MR. TEFOYA, IF YOU, AS YOU DEVELOP THE PLANS FURTHER, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND REVIEW IT, UH, MORE INFORMALLY AND AT LENGTH, UH, REACH OUT TO STAFF TO DO THAT.
UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE COURTYARD WALL.
UH, AND I, UH, ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING FENCE WALL AND, UM, 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY, I GUESS THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A, A FENCE OR A WALL OR WHATEVER.
AND GUIDELINES SAY THAT, UH, SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD FENCING SHOULDN'T BE HIGHER THAN SIX FEET.
SO, UM, AS YOU STUDY THAT, PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, NO, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A, A, A GOOD POINT IN THAT USING THE EXISTING, UH, WALL HEIGHT AT KIND OF A, A STARTING POINT.
SO DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GO ABOVE THAT.
AND WE WANNA RESPECT, UH, WHAT'S THERE AT THE MOMENT.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO, UH, LEAVE THE ARCHED OPENING INTO THE GALLERY, INTO THE HOME.
UM, YOU'D SEE SOME MORE HEIGHT OF THAT, UM, STEEL GLASS OPENING AS WELL WITH A LOWER WALL.
UM, COMMISSIONER FISH, APOLOGIES, IT'S AN OLD HAND.
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IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL.THANK AGENDA ITEM 19 H C R C CASE 2023 DASH 0 82 2 15 WICKS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE EXISTING WOOD SIDING ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE REAR EDITION WITH HARDY SIDING.
TWO INFILL THE EXTERIOR DOOR OPENING TO THE WATER HEATER CLOSET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
AND THREE, INFILL THE TOP LEFT WINDOW OPENING, OPENING ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE ADDITION.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING ON THE REAR ADDITION ON THE SOUTH WALL WITH HARDY SIDING BASED ON FINDING B.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT REPLACES SIDING WITH MATERIALS THAT MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING IN PROFILE DIMENSIONS, MATERIAL FINISH, AND REVEAL.
ITEM TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INFILL OF THE EXTERIOR DOOR TO THE WATER HEATER CLOSET BASED ON FINDING D.
AND ITEM THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INFILL OF THE WINDOW ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION OF THE ADDITION BASED ON FINDING C THE APPLICANT, CAMILA MARRE IS HERE IN PERSON AND HAS CONSENTED TO ITEMS TWO AND THREE AND WILL ONLY DISCUSS ITEM ONE.
MY NAME'S CAMILA MARRE AND I AM HERE REPRESENTING MY MOTHER, UH, AELA CHAPPA.
SHE'S AN A TWO YEAR OLD WOMAN AND, UH, SHE WOULD LOVE TO BE HERE.
SHE'S A LITTLE FEISTY LADY, BUT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TODAY.
UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, WE HAVE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN 2020, AND WE HAD STARTED WITH MS. KATIE TUBMAN, WHICH IS SHE'S NO LONGER WITH THIS CITY.
UM, AND WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE PROJECT AS TO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, THAT WALL HAS COMPLETELY, IS REALLY DETERIORATING, AND SO WE WANNA REPAIR IT.
UM, AND SO THIS WAS AN ADDITION.
AND THIS ADDITION WAS DONE IN 1992, COMPLETED IN 1993.
MY MOTHER CAME TO THE HEARINGS AND, UH, WAS GIVEN THE APPROVAL, BUT THIS WALL IS REALLY DETERIORATING DUE TO THE WEATHER, WATER, THE SUN, THERE'S NOTHING COVERING THIS WALL.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, BACK IN 2020 WHEN WE WANTED TO DO THE WORK, OUR NEIGHBOR, THAT FENCE HAS TO KIND OF BE PULLED BACK TO BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.
THE TENANTS OF THAT HOUSE DID NOT WANT TO ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO USE THE DRIVEWAY.
MY UNCLE LIO GARZA OWNS THAT HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
MY PARENTS USED TO OWN THAT HOUSE, SOLD IT TO MY UNCLE.
AND SO WE FIND IT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK.
AND I HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS THAT SAID THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE OF THE FENCE.
AND SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE REQUESTING, WHY WE ONLY WANTED WE WANNA DO THE HARDY BECAUSE THE REST OF THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, WAS DONE.
THE ADDITION WAS DONE IN 19 92, 93.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WOOD HAS REALLY DETERIORATED.
THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS FINE.
ACTUALLY, THE HOUSE IN 19, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1920, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THE SIDING IS GREAT.
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE SOUTH SIDE HAS DETERIORATED AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA FIX.
SO WE WANNA FIX ALL THOSE BOARDS WHERE YOU SEE THE WINDOW ON THIS SIDE.
UM, AND WE WANNA JUST REPLACE THAT.
MY MOTHER IS ON A FIXED INCOME, SHE MAKES $15,000 SOCIAL SECURITY, SHE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE THE WHOLE THING DONE.
SO WE ARE WANTING TO JUST DO PARTIAL DO THAT.
AND WHEN I SPOKE WITH MS. TALMAN, SHE TOLD ME THAT ANY ADDITIONS HAD TO HAVE A CLEARLY DEFINED DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE OLD HOUSE AND THE NEW HOUSE OF THE DI OF THE ADDITION.
WHY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BACK IN, UH, 19 92, 93, I DON'T KNOW.
I WENT DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SAID, OKAY, LET ME SEE.
I READ THE GUIDELINES, WHAT IT WAS, WHAT ARE THE GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHY WE'RE REQUESTING HARDY BOARD.
BOTH CONTRACTORS SAID, IF YOU REPLACE THESE WOODEN BOARDS, THE SAME THING'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, AND WE TALKED ABOUT JUST REPLACING THOSE BOARDS AND THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INSIDE PART.
UM, THE, UM, INSULATION AND, UM, ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT IS SUPPORTING THAT WALL IS DETERIORATED AND YOU'RE GONNA GET MOLD IF YOU DON'T FIX THAT.
AND OUR INSURANCE COMPANY HAS TOLD MY MOM THAT TOO, THAT SHE NEEDS TO FIX THAT 'CAUSE UM, THEY ARE NOT GONNA HELP HER.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY, NOBODY'S HELPING
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HER.I'M HELPING HER WITH PAYING FOR THE REPAIRS HERE.
UM, BUT I WENT DOWN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FOUND SOME OTHER HOMES AND I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO TWO PEOPLE, UM, ON, UH, MONDAY.
AND THEY TOLD ME BOTH OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS, ONE ON GUNTHER STREET AND ONE ON WIX, HE SAID, THEY TOLD US WE HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAR DISTINCTION, UH, IN MATERIALS OR THE WAY IT LOOKS BECAUSE THAT'S AN ADDITION.
SO, UM, I PROVIDED SOME PICTURES OF THE TWO HOMES THAT JUST, I JUST SO HAPPENED THAT I WAS DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND I SAID, OKAY, WELL THIS HOUSE HAS, IS AN ADDITION AND THERE'S A CLEAR DISTINCTION IN THIS HOUSE.
SO IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT, UM, THE FIRST PICTURE, I THINK YOU GUYS, UM, AND SO MY REQUEST IS THAT WE REPLACE IT WITH HARDY BOARD SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO DO THE SAME THING.
UM, THE DETERIORATION PART OF IT.
SO THAT WAS, SO THERE WAS A, UM, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THE HOUSE WAS REMODELED OR THE ADDITION WAS MADE, AND IT WAS MADE IN 19 92, 9, 9 93.
AND WE FOUND A PICTURE, MY MOM, MOM WAS LOOKING THROUGH PICTURES.
WE FOUND THAT PICTURE WHERE THAT ADDITION WAS MADE BACK THEN THE NEXT PICTURE, UM, THAT'S WHERE, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, RIGHT? UM, THE NEXT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE.
WE ONLY FOUND TWO PICTURES OF THIS WHOLE THING.
UM, AND SO THAT IT WAS DONE IN 19 92, 93.
UM, NEXT PICTURE, AGAIN, THAT'S THE, UM, WHERE IT WAS, I WAS, LIKE I SAID, I READ THE GUIDELINES, WHAT IS IT THAT IS NEEDED, THE SETBACKS AND WHATEVER NEXT, UM, 3 23 WEEKS.
SO RIGHT THERE IT SAYS, I READ, I WENT INTO, CLAUDIA WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH INFORMATION ON THE LINK WHERE I COULD GO FIND THIS INFORMATION.
AND SURE ENOUGH, SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, DIA, UM, THAT'S 3 23 WIX, THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE BOARD ON THIS SIDE, THE EXISTING PART, AND THEN THAT PART, THE WHERE THE THREE WINDOWS.
AND THEN THE NEXT PART IS HARDBOARD.
SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO DO THAT JUST TO REALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT DISTINCTION.
SHE WANTS JUST REGULAR HARDBOARD.
RIGHT? SO NEXT PICTURE, UM, 800 EAST GUNTHER.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER HOUSE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
SO NEXT SLIDE, THE SAME THING.
IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE CLEARLY, UM, DONE BASED ON THAT, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THE OLD HOUSE IN THE, IN THE ADDITION.
SO HERE'S THE HOUSE, AND HERE IT IS.
IF YOU MAKE, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THAT? SO THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS THIS LITTLE SMALL BOARD LIKE MY PARENTS, AND THEN THE ADDITION HAS THE HARDY BOARD.
SO THERE IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION AND THEY DID USE HARDY BOARD.
SO MY REQUEST IS CAN WE PLEASE USE THE HARDY BOARD? IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE ROLL WOOD TO REDO THIS.
AND SO, UM, WE WANNA DO IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA LOOK NICE AND THAT IT'S GONNA LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS.
AND, UH, THAT WE REPAIR THIS WALL, THAT WE GET THE APPROVAL TO HAVE THIS WALL REPAIRED.
UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER GRU? YEAH, CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH.
UM, IF, IF STAFF COULD RETURN TO THE IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT OF THE, UH, ADDITION UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IT'D BE HELPFUL.
UM, MY, MY, I'M TRYING TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ADDITION IS BEGINNING AND ENDING IN, IN ELEVATION HERE.
BECAUSE IN THE, IN THE PHOTO PROVIDED IN THE CONSTRUCTION, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS NO SETBACK FROM THE HISTORIC VERSUS THE NEW, WHICH IS LIKELY WHY, UH, BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T, THERE WASN'T A CHANGE IN PLANE THAT THE ELEMENT WAS RECOMMENDED TO BE THE SAME MATERIAL.
RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, WOW.
SO THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE YES.
WHERE YOU WANNA DO THE WORK, JUST ABLE TO SHOW.
SO THAT'S NOT WHERE IT'S GONNA BE.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT SIDE, IT'S THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO SHOW, 'CAUSE CLAUDIA TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NO PROOF OR DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL YOU FINALLY FOUND RIGHT IN 1985 THAT SURE, THERE WAS, THAT ADDITION WAS MADE.
AND SO THE ADDITION WAS MADE IN 19 92, 93.
SO, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BACK TO WHAT'S PROPOSED.
WHERE IS THE, THE SCOPE OF YOUR REQUEST? WHERE, WHERE ACTUALLY ARE THE EDGES OF THE, ON THIS SIDE, ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE PART OF THE HOUSE, WOULD THAT, WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A DOOR ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT, THAT IS NOT GONNA BE DONE.
UM, CAN I GO POINT OVER THERE?
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FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN'T HEAR.YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY JUST THE, UM, SOUTHMOST ELEVATION.
SO GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE, CLAUDIA, WITH THE YELLOW.
THAT'S THE PART, BUT I SUBMITTED THAT.
YES, THE PREVIOUS PHOTO WITH THE YELLOW BOX COMMISSIONER FISH, THE RIGHT PART OF THAT REC RECTANGLE IS THE I UNDERSTAND.
I I WAS JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE ADDITION PART OF THE HOUSE THERE.
I HAVE ONE MORE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR, FOR YOU, AND IT MIGHT HAVE COME UP IN TERMS OF YOUR DISCUSSION WITH THE CONTRACTORS.
IS THEIR PROPOSAL TO REMOVE ALL OF THE EXISTING, UH, WOOD SITING AND, UH, REPLACE THAT? OR, OR IS ARE THEY PROPOSING TO GO OVER THE EXISTING WOOD SIDING WITH HARDY? UM, HE IS RE UH, PROPOSING THAT WE REMOVE EVERYTHING AND, UH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT HAS THE, THAT WHITE TYVEK, I DON'T THINK IT HAS THAT WHEN THEY DID IT.
AND SO THAT BLACK PAPER, AND SO HE'S SAYING THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND PUT, UM, WHAT'S THAT WOOD, UM, SHEATHING.
AND HE SAYS THAT IT, HE THINKS IT'S ALL ROTTEN IN THERE.
AND, UM, AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO SEE, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO, CAN WE PROCEED WITH THE, THE, THE HARDY BOARD AND THEN WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION AS TO HOW MUCH HAS TO BE, UM, FIXED AS FAR AS THE LAYERS.
BUT THE WHOLE WALL WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE HARDY BOARD.
THIS WALL THAT'S BASICALLY GRAY IN THAT PHOTO, I'M SORRY, THE WALL THAT'S BASICALLY GRAY IN THIS PHOTO Y YES, ALL OF THAT.
YOU, YOU SEE HOW BAD THAT GOT? AND THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS FINE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF BOARDS ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME MATERIAL.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA SALVAGE THIS BOARD TO MAKE, IT'S LIKE WHERE THE AIR CONDITIONING'S LEAKING AND THERE'S TWO BOARDS THAT NEED TO BE FIXED AND THEY'RE GONNA USE THIS MATERIAL TO FIX THAT TO BE CONSISTENT.
UH, OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.
SO IF WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WITH THE RED OR THE YELLOW, HOW ARE YOU ENCLOSING THE WATER CLOSET? THAT'S THE WATER CLOSET, RIGHT? YES.
HOW IS THAT CONNECTING? SO, UM, THERE IS AN EXTERIOR DOOR AND IT'S VERY DILAPIDATED.
SO WHAT WE, THE, THE CONTRACTOR'S SAYING, YOU SEE WHERE THE, THAT LINE IS WHERE THE TWO BOARDS MEET? THAT'S THE NEW PART OF THE HOUSE.
SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT HE CAN COVER IT AND GET INSIDE OR THEY CAN DO LIKE A, UM, OH, A HIDDEN DOOR, RIGHT? SO THEY'LL CONTINUE TO DO THE SIDING, BUT IT WILL BE OPEN IN THAT AREA SO IT LOOKS CONSISTENT, ALL ITS UNIFORM AS ONE.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO THERE.
I THINK JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE WATER HEATER, THEY DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER HEATER ON THE, IN THE INTERIOR.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE INFILL ISS FOR.
SO THIS DOOR IS ESSENTIALLY NOT NEEDED.
SO IT'S BASICALLY INFILLING THE DOOR TO THE WATER CLOSET.
BUT THERE IS ACCESS ON THE INSIDE AS WELL.
CAN WE GO BACK TO THE, UH, PHOTO WITH THE RED LINES ON IT FOR A SECOND? YES.
SO A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE SCOPE CONTAINED AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, DOING ANY AS YOU, AS YOU CAN, UM, AS FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT TO HAVE A MATERIAL CHANGE ON AN EXTERIOR CORNER IS A LITTLE ODD.
I'M WONDERING COULD YOU INCLUDE IN YOUR SCOPE WHERE YOU, YOU TURN THE CORNER WITH THE PROPOSED HARDING MATERIAL AND END IN AN INTERIOR CORNER SO THAT THAT WHOLE PIECE IS VIEWED AS A, UM, AS A SINGLE ELEMENT AND, AND IT'S, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER UNDERSTOOD AS AN ADDITION, AS A RESULT OF THAT RATHER THAN STOPPING AT A, AT AN EXTERIOR CORNER AND HAVING ONE MATERIAL IN ONE PLANE AND ANOTHER MATERIAL IN THE OTHER PLANE.
WOULD THAT BIT OF SCOPE, UH, BE, UH, CONCEIVABLE WITHIN WHAT YOU'RE, UH, WITH WITHIN THE BUDGET YOU HAVE FOR THIS, THIS PHASE? SO FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE SAYING LIKE WHERE THAT WINDOW IS, IT'S FACING THE STREET, SO TO INCORPORATE THAT, THE WHOLE THING THERE, UM, I REQUESTED THAT FROM THE CONTRACTOR AND THAT'S GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE COST OF REPAIRING THIS, UH, FOR MY MOTHER, THEN THAT'S WHY WE EXCLUDED IT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT WOOD THERE.
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A COST COST RELATED FOR MY MOTHER, UH, HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO DO THIS.I MEAN, THE PRICE HAS GONE DOWN.
IT WAS IN 2020, IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE ALMOST $30,000 TO HAVE THIS JUST THIS WALL DONE.
MY MOM MAKES $15,000 IN SOCIAL SECURITY.
UM, SO THERE'S NO WAY SHE COULD AFFORD THAT.
AND SO NOW WE WERE ABLE TO LOWER IT AND USING THE HARDY BOARD WAS A LOT, UH, LESS EXPENSIVE THAN USING WOOD.
'CAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE THAT WOOD IS ALLEN AND ALLEN AND THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
BUT TO CLARIFY, THE, THE SIDING THAT WE SEE AROUND THAT WINDOW, THAT'S PART OF THE, THE ADDITION, RIGHT? THAT'S THE PART OF THE LATER ADDITION? YES, SIR.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, I THINK IT STRENGTHENS THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A DISTINGUISHING EL UH, YOU KNOW, DISTINCTION MADE BETWEEN EXISTING HISTORIC AND, AND A LATER EDITION.
IF THE LATER EDITION SORT OF TREATED MORE CONSISTENTLY, UM, PLUS THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE PULLING THAT CORNER TRIM OFF ANYWAYS.
UH, I I I I WOULD SAY JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT, BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, SCOPE CREEK CAN OCCUR AND YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP WITHIN A BUDGET, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IF I WERE, UH, SERVING AS YOUR ARCHITECT IS JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT CORNER, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S A HARD, THAT'S A, AN AREA OF THE SITE THAT'S HARD TO ACCESS, GET IT DONE, DO IT ONCE AND BE DONE.
IF YOU CAN HELP US FIND SOME FUNDS FROM THE HISTORICAL, SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP HER, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT.
BUT I'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY HELP OUT THERE TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND WE HAVEN'T, UNLESS THIS YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE US WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FILE FOR SOME TYPE OF HISTORICAL, UM, ASSISTANCE TO FIX THIS HOUSE, TO FIX THAT WALL.
SO I THINK SCOTT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS IT RIGHT? AND, AND SO I'M GONNA DO A MOTION IF IT DOESN'T GET A SECOND, BUT IF NOT, IT'S, SO IT, I WOULD DO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHANGE TO, UH, WITH THE MATERIAL THAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTED, WHICH IS THE HARDY BOARD, SMOOTH OUT, SMOOTH SIDE OUT, BUT INCLUDING THAT PART, TURNING THE CORNER, INCLUDING THAT WALL PLANE WITH THAT ONE WINDOW.
UM, AND I'LL CLARIFY, I'M SORRY.
AND ALL THE OTHER ITEMS WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, WHICH I THINK THEY ALREADY AGREED TO.
SO WE HAVE MOTION TO SECOND AND YOU'D LIKE TO CLARIFY.
YEAH, AND I THINK 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU WERE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TELL US, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS AN ADDITION AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE WANNA, WE CAN, YOU CAN, WE SHOULD BE APPROVING A CHANGE OF MATERIAL, THEN WE REALLY HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT WHOLE ADDITION.
AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IS LIKE, WE CAN'T JUST SAY THE OTHER ADDITIONS WERE NEW ADDITIONS.
THERE WERE NEWER, THIS IS AN ADDITION IN THE NINETIES, BUT TO USE THAT AS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR CHANGE IN MATERIAL, WE WILL NEED THAT ADDITIONAL, I MEAN, DEFINITIONAL WALL.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A REALLY EXTENSIVE COST.
I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS ALREADY, THIS PROPOSAL HERE IS IN LESS COST THAN WHAT USUALLY WOULD BE APPROVED HERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M USUALLY NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING MATERIALS AT ALL.
SO IT'S, I THINK IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN EITHER OR, AND I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO, UH, FOLLOW ON AS THE SECOND, UM, THE AMOUNT OF WALL AREA THAT'S REPRESENTED THERE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S THE WINDOW, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE THE CONTRACTOR IS ALMOST GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF WASTE AND SCRAPS LEFT OVER TO BE ABLE TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
SO I, I I DON'T THINK IT'S A HUGE, UM, A HUGE AMOUNT OF AREA TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND SHOULDN'T REP REPRESENT, UH, MUCH MORE OF A DEVIATION FROM, FROM THE ORIGINAL COST.
OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FISH? COMMISSIONER FISH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, MY MICROPHONE WAS IN AND OUT THERE FOR A SECOND.
UM, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION AND ESPECIALLY, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, THIS, THIS SMALL PIECE TO THE FRONT, UH, BEING INCORPORATED INTO IT SO THAT IT'S LEGIBLE FROM THE STREET AS AN ADDITION.
UM, I, I, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE REPAIRABILITY OF THE WOOD ON THAT EXPOSED FACE, GIVEN THE DETERIORATION OF THE, OF THE WALL.
AND I THINK IT'S REASONABLE, UH, TO UNDERSTAND THAT A FULL REPLACEMENT THERE IS NEEDED.
THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE MATERIAL CHANGE OR WHERE ORDINARILY I, I MIGHT NOT BE SO INCLINED TO.
UH, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO, UH, DESCRIBE THE, UH, THE HARDY SPECIFICATION OR THE, THE STIPULATION THAT THEY'D RECOMMEND FOR THIS PROJECT,
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PARTICULARLY THE DISTANCE IN THE LAP.IS THAT ON THERE, CLAUDIA? IN THE STIPULATION LANGUAGE, USUALLY WE WOULD STIPULATE A FOUR TO SIX REVEAL, SMOOTH FINISH.
HARDY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNDER THE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THAT THE FOUR TO SIX INCH REVEAL, UH, SMOOTH PHASE IS SOMETIMES MORE THAN, THAN WHAT YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN ON A BASE BED FOR LIKE A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
A LOT OF TIMES THOSE, THOSE GO AS MUCH AS EIGHT INCH REVEAL AND SINCE, SO THERE MIGHT BE AN INCREASE IN MATERIAL SINCE THAT WAS NOT IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'LL ADD THAT TO THE MOTION AND THE SECOND CONCURS.
SO GOING BACK TO THE CONTRACTOR AND ASKING HOW MUCH MORE AND THEN FIGURING OUT MATERIAL AND ALL THAT, IF MY MOTHER DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? LIKE WHAT DO WE JUST LET IT CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE? DO WE COVER IT UP? DO WE, WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE IT WAS THE, I MEAN, THE CONTRACTOR WHEN I ASKED IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE TO FIX THAT, TO, TO MAKE IT ALL LOOK THE SAME.
AND LIKE MY MOM SAID, WHY IF IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, YOU KNOW, SHE'S 82 YEARS OLD, SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND.
UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S MY NEXT STEP? NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO COME BACK TO STAFF AND, UH, SEE WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE SHE JUST WANTS TO BOARD IT UP.
AND SHE'S LIKE, WELL, I ONLY HAVE THIS MUCH MIHA.
RIGHT? MR. CHAIR, THAT'S THE COURT OF ADJUSTMENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ, UH, MA'AM, UH, THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AND I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE.
UH, BUT, UH, TO, TO GIVE YOU MY, MY BEST OPINION, UM, ON CAN, ON THIS PICTURE HERE, THAT GAP THAT'S THERE BETWEEN THE ROOF AND THE, WHEN THE CONTRACTOR'S RE REFRAMING, HE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR HIM TO CLOSE THAT GAP WE ASKED AND FLASH IT.
AND IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL BECAUSE IT'S JUST BLOCKING REALLY.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED OR NOT.
'CAUSE I DID ASK THE CONTRACTOR ABOUT FIXING THAT AND MAKING IT ALL LOOK COMPLETELY ALL THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, WELL, IT'S APPARENT WHY THAT HAPPENED.
THAT THE LOWER EDITION CAME AFTERWARDS.
NO, THAT EDITION WAS THERE SINCE WE BOUGHT, MY PARENTS BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
WELL, IT'S ODD THAT THEY DID THAT.
THEN WHOEVER DID THAT MUST MUST BE A CONTRACTOR BECAUSE ONLY A CONTRACTOR WOULD DO A THING LIKE THAT.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU THAT THE, I THINK THE BEST OPTION FOR YOU, ALTHOUGH I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION, WOULD BE TO PEEL ALL THAT OFF.
LIKE YOU'RE PLANNING ON DOING IT, JUST REPLACING IT WITH WOOD, WITH THAT'S STAT PROFILE THAT YOU GET AT HOME DEPOT.
'CAUSE WOOD COSTS SO MUCH MORE THAN IT DID, BUT IT'S THE CHEAPEST OPTION WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WOOD COSTS.
IT'S NOT GOING TO ALAN AND ALAN FOR SURE.
BUT THE REASON THAT I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT TO YOU IS BECAUSE WOOD FRAME BUILDINGS, PARTICULARLY WOOD FRAME BU BUILDINGS THAT ARE WOOD FRAMED THAT HAVE WOOD ON THEM, HARDY BOARD WEIGHS A LOT.
AND, AND WHEN YOU STACK UP A TWO STORY HARDY BOARD WALL LIKE THAT, AND YOU HAVE A FOUNDATION THAT IS ACCUSTOMED TO, OR YOU, WE COULD SAY IS PROBABLY DESIGNED FOR A WOODHOUSE, UM, THAT IN THE LONG RUN THAT THE WOOD ALREADY SHOWS YOU THAT THE BUILDING CAN SUSTAIN THE WEIGHT.
RIGHT? THE HARDY BOARD IS A MATERIAL THAT KIND OF EMERGES WHEN THE, WHEN THE CONCRETE SLAB EMERGES.
SO THAT HARDY BOARD'S, A CEMENTITIOUS MATERIAL THAT WEIGHS A LOT, BUT A SLAB MOVES TOGETHER.
SO THE HARDY BOARD WILL MOVE TOGETHER.
BUT WHEN A HARDY BOARD'S ON A WOOD STRUCTURE AND THE WOOD STRUCTURE MOVE, IT, IT, ITS FOUNDATION MOVES DIFFERENTLY.
THE CEMENTITIOUS BOARD IS NOT LIKE WOOD, WOOD, WOOD WILL BEND.
SOMETIMES HARDY BOARD WILL CRACK.
SO I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT IS MADE.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE ASKING FOR.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT GOOD TRACTION THERE, BUT IF IT WERE THE BEST ADVICE, I WOULD JUST USE THE SAME TYPE OF WOOD AND THEY CAN BLACK PAPER IT.
THEY CAN USE A BETTER FELT THAN A 15 POUND FELT OR THEY CAN TIE VACANT, WHATEVER THEY WANNA DO.
YEAH, IT, MY ADVICE, IT DOES HAVE CONCRETE ON THAT BOTTOM PART.
SO THAT WALL DOWN THERE, THE SLAB IS IT'S A SLAB OR IT'S POSTS, IT'S, I THINK IT'S BLOCK.
WELL THEN IT'S PROBABLY POSTS BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT WOULD BE SLAB.
YEAH, IT'S, I I KNOW FOR SURE IT'S NOT A SLAB, BUT IT'S, YEAH, I WOULD STICK WITH THE WOOD, BUT, BUT
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IT'S, IT'S Y'ALL'S CALL.WELL, WOOD WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVED.
IF SHE DECIDES TO CHANGE IT BACK TO WOOD, THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.
WELL JUST SO KNOW THAT THAT'S YOUR OPTION.
AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT, I'M SORRY, STAFF COULD APPROVE IF YOU DECIDED TO GO TO WOOD.
BUT THE COMMISSION, UH, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE HARDY SIDING, UH, THAT WRAPS AROUND THE CORNER AT THE WINDOW.
NOW LET, LET ME, LET ME ASK STAFF SOMETHING.
MR. CHAIR, UH, IS THE WOOD A PARTICULAR PROFILE THAT CAN ONLY BE GOTTEN AT ALLEN AND ALLEN BECAUSE IT'S A CUSTOM MILL FROM THE 1920S? NO.
OR IS IT THE SAME AS THE HOME DEPOT? YEAH, I WAS ABOUT TO INTERRUPT AND SAY THAT THIS IS, UM, ONE 17 DOUBLE TEARDROP SIDING.
IT'S THE MOST COMMON THAT WE SEE AND MOST BIG BOX STORES CARRY IT.
MCCOY'S, HOME DEPOT, GUADALUPE LUMBER.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO.
WE'RE GETTING YOU THIS OPTION, BUT I THINK YOU CAN, YOU STILL HAVE THE OTHER OPTION AND I THINK COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ HAS A POINT AND IT'S GIVING YOU BOTH OPTIONS, SO, OKAY.
YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CONTRACTOR HAS SAID THAT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
ONLY AT ELLEN AND ALLEN GET A SECOND OPINION.
YEAH, WELL IT'S THE SECOND ONE.
THE ONE IN 2020 WAS THE SAME THING.
BY THE WAY, CLAUDIA HAS BEEN AMAZING.
I JUST APPRECIATE HER HELP, UM, WITH, WITH THIS PROJECT.
I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE HER FOR THAT.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR, FOR THAT.
AND, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE COMMISSION, WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD, NICE EVENING.
SO CLAUDIA, YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU ON RESOLVING THIS AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 20, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20 H C O C CASE 2023 DASH 0 72.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT FOOT REAR PRIVACY FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WOODEN REAR PRIVACY FENCE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION HEIGHT OF THE APPROVED FENCING MAY NOT EXCEED A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SUCCEED AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED AND MET AND MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OUTLINED IN U D C SECTION 35 DASH FIVE 14.
THE APPLICANT RICK ARCHER, IS HERE IN PERSON.
APPRECIATE YOUR HELP, CLAUDIA.
UM, YES, WE ARE, UM, WE OWN THE HOME AT, UH, FOUR 13 NORTH PINE.
IT'S THE CORNER OF PINE IN BOSTON.
IT'S A CALICHE BLOCK HOUSE THAT, UH, WHEN WE PURCHASED IT WAS, UM, AS MY NEIGHBOR CALLED IT, A PILE OF RUBBLE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, LEVELING RESTORED IT, INCLUDING REPLICATING ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH THE ORIGINAL WOOD.
UH, THIS IS NOT THE PRESENTATION I GAVE YOU.
UH, I'VE GOT AN ABBREVIATED PRESENTATION THAT I THINK WILL HELP GET US THROUGH THIS MORE QUICKLY.
UM, THE FENCE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS ALONG THE, UH, NORTH, UH, AND THE WEST SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY, UH, PREDOMINANTLY, UH, CREATES A BACKYARD FOR US AND IT ADJOINS OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST, WHICH IS BOSTON COMMONS.
UH, YOU, YOU HAVE A LETTER IN YOUR, UH, POSSESSION FROM THE OWNER OF BOSTON COMMONS, BEN BOWMAN, WHO OWNS ALL 10 UNITS THAT ARE BEHIND US.
UH, THAT HOUSE APPROXIMATELY, UH, 20 PEOPLE, UM, TO OUR, UH, TO OUR SOUTH IS PROPERTY 1133 CROCKETT STREET.
I'VE MADE EFFORTS TO CONTACT THAT OWNER NOW FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
UM, THE HOME IS SINCE SOLD, UH, AND THE NEW OWNERS, UH, IS A HOLDING COMPANY, A FINANCE COMPANY.
UM, AND, UM, APPEARS TO BE THAT THEY ARE GONNA FLIP IT.
UH, BUT THEY HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO, TO MY REQUEST.
I DID GET LETTERS FROM THE TWO NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S ONE HOME THAT'S VACANT.
UH, THERE'S A VACANT LOT, UH, AND THERE ARE TWO NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM US, THE DAIRIES AND THE A AMENS.
UH, THEY'VE BOTH GIVEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT, UH, TO THE NORTH IS AN EMPTY LOT.
UH, THIS DESIGN, UM, IF YOU COULD GO BACK ONE, UM, THE RED LINE, UH, INDICATES THE FENCE.
UH, THE ONLY PART THAT'S REALLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IS, UH, ALONG THE NORTH SIDE, UH, NORTH BEING TO THE RIGHT IN
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THIS IMAGE, UH, WE'RE DOING AN ENTIRELY NEW LANDSCAPE.UM, AND THAT FENCE, UH, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY SLOPES THREE AND A HALF, ALMOST FOUR FEET FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER TO THE SOUTH CORNER, UH, WE WANT TO KEEP THE FENCE THE TOP OF THE FENCE LEVEL, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY ZONING.
AND, UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY THE FENCE GOES FROM FOUR AND A HALF FEET TO COVER THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT TO SEVEN FEET AT THE NORTHEAST, NORTH, EXCUSE ME, NORTHWEST CORNER.
UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, ACTUALLY THAT, THAT SEVEN FEET, NOT EIGHT, AND THEN IT EXTENDS DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AT EIGHT FEET.
SO THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'VE GOT, AND IF, IF WE LOOK AT SECTION 35, 514 C TWO F OF THE ZONING CODE, IT ACTUALLY, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THE TOP OF FENCE BE MADE LEVEL THAT NOT FOLLOW THE SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE ZONING ABOUT THIS AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH ZONING.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST AN H C R C ISSUE.
UM, BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE ARE GONNA PROPOSE A, A COMPROMISE, UH, THAT THE FENCE WOULD NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT ALONG BOSTON STREET, UH, WHICH IS THE ONLY STREET WHERE THIS IS VISIBLE.
UH, AND THAT WE WOULD EXTEND BACK LEVEL FROM THAT POINT, UH, TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE REALLY EFFECTIVELY AN OUTDOOR ROOM WITH THE CONSISTENT, UH, TOP HEIGHT ON IT.
UH, THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS THE PROPOSED COMPROMISE, UM, THIS BEING TAKEN FROM THE, UH, THE NORTHWEST CORNER AT OUR NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY.
UH, THE NEXT SLIDE IS IN OUR BACKYARD.
UH, PART OF PART OF THE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES ARE ALSO THAT, UH, TO THE WEST OF US IS A STORAGE BUILDING THAT'S THREE FEET AWAY THAT, UH, HAS A SPRING LINE AT NINE FEET.
SO WE'RE REALLY LITERALLY UP AGAINST THAT, UH, AND TO OUR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, UM, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT IMAGE.
UM, THAT PROPERTY IS TWO TO THREE FEET HIGHER THAN OURS.
SO A SIX FOOT FENCE WOULD LEAVE US WITH A THREE FOOT FENCE FROM THEIR BACKYARD INTO OURS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE, UH, AROUND THESE VARYING CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL WORK FOR US AND FOR OUR NEIGHBORS, ALL OF WHOM APPROVE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
MR. CHAIR, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME VOICEMAILS IF YEAH, IF YOU'RE FINISHED.
HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 MAR STREET WITHIN DIGNITY HILL.
I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 7 2, LOCATED AT FOUR 13 NORTH PINE STREET.
WE AGREE WITH O H P STIPULATIONS THAT THIS FENCE SHOULD BE SIX FEET AS OPPOSED TO EIGHT FEET.
THIS HOUSE IS LOCATED ON NORTH PINE AND BOSTON ALLEY, A VERY NARROW STREET.
IT DOES NOT BACK UP TO A HEAVILY TRAVELED STREET OR IS LOCATED NEAR ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT ONE CAN SAY CAUSES A SAFETY CONCERN.
THERE ARE MANY EXAMPLES OF HOUSES THAT DO BACK UP TO HEAVILY TRAVELED STREETS THAT HAVE SIX FOOT FENCES.
THE FACT THAT HE USES ZONING TO STIPULATE WHY HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE DOES NOT HOLD MERIT.
SINCE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES WILL TAKE PRIORITY BECAUSE WHAT IS ALLOWED OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, FRONT YARD FENCES OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE ALLOWED TO BE FIVE FEET HIGH.
BUT WITHIN A HISTORICAL DISTRICT, IT CAN ONLY BE FOUR FEET HIGH.
IT SEEMS THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ABLE TO SIDESTEP SOME H D R C GUIDELINES.
EXAMPLES INCLUDE ADDING A GARAGE UNDER AN ADDITION THAT WAS BUILT TO BE ATTACHED TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
IT HAS WINDOWS THAT ARE NONCONFORMING.
THEY ARE NOT DOUBLE HUNG OR HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TO THE NEW SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
AN EXCEPTION FOR AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE WHEN A SIX FOOT FENCE MEETS BULK OSA AND O H P GUIDELINES WILL SUFFICE EVEN WITH A SLOPE IN THE YARD.
DID I RESPOND TO THAT? YES, SIR.
I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS.
SHE'S INCORRECT IN SAYING THAT, UH, WE DON'T COMPLY.
WE WENT THROUGH H D R C ON EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY.
UH, WE STARTED THIS PROJECT IN 2017 WITH OUR FIRST PRESENTATION BEFORE HISTORIC.
WE'VE BEEN TO YOU EVERY SINGLE TIME WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING.
AND IN FACT, THE, UM, COMMISSION HAS SAID THAT THIS IS A MODEL OF WHAT WE, WHAT CONTEMPORARY EDITION SHOULD BE TO AN HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH OVERLAND PARTNERS.
WE DO A LOT OF WORK, UH, WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS
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AND THIS CLEARLY COMPLIES WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND IS ONE OF THE MORE BELOVED HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.NOW, UM, AS FAR AS THE FENCE, I THINK I'VE EXPLAINED THE REASONS, UH, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A, A STEP STEPPED OR SLOPED FENCE AND GIVEN THE VARIOUS CONDITIONS AROUND THE EDGES OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WE NEED A, WE NEED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF SEVEN FEET TO MAKE THAT WORK.
UM, I ALSO, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE THAT I GAVE CLAUDIA PHOTOGRAPHS OF FENCES AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE OVER EIGHT FEET, UH, DIDN'T TAKE ME, YOU KNOW, 10 MINUTES TO DRIVE AROUND AND WITHIN MINUTES TO HAVE, UM, A DOZEN EXAMPLES, SOME OF THOSE FENCES UP TO 10 FEET HIGH.
WELL, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT IN THE INTEREST OF, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT PLACING A COMPROMISE IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF THEM, THE COMMISSION HAVING HAD CONVERSATION WITH STAFF, UH, I, I WONDER IF, IF IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, AS PRESENTED AS THE COMPROMISE, UH, THE DRAWINGS, UH, SHOWING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT, THAT IT WOULD REACH.
UH, DOES IT ALL ALSO INCLUDE THE, UM, OTHER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? I ONLY SAW THE, THAT WAS THE ONLY RECOMMENDATION WAS THE HEIGHT.
I ONLY SAW THE ONE, THE FENCING MUST BE PERMITTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION.
UM, YOU'RE PROPOSING YOU'VE PROPOSED SIX FOOT AT THE CORNER.
HOW FAR TO THE SOUTH WILL THE SIX FOOT EXTEND BEFORE IT TURNS INTO SEVEN FEET OR, OR HIGHER THAN SIX FEET? IT, IT WILL, IT WILL ONLY BE SEVEN FEET AT THE FAR SOUTHWEST CORNER.
IT EXTENDS BACK RELATIVELY LEVEL FOR ABOUT 20 FEET, AND THEN IT BEGINS TO SLOPE OFF.
WE'RE ACTUALLY TERRACING THE BACKYARD TO MAKE UP FOR THAT SLOPE.
AND SO WE'VE GOT THE FIRST, I THINK IT'S 24 FEET OR A RAISED PLANTER ALONG THAT EDGE, AND THEN IT STEPS DOWN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WELL JUST QUESTIONS TO THAT.
IF YOU'RE RAISING, SO YOU'RE RAISING AFTER THE 24 FEET, I'M, WE'RE RAISING IN THE BACKYARD.
BEHIND THE FENCE SO THAT IT WILL BE ALIGNED WITH, WITH THE LAND ADJACENT TO US.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE, WE, WE ARE ACTUALLY LOWER THAN OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST, UM, BY ABOUT SIX INCHES.
SO WE'RE RAISING THAT UP SLIGHTLY.
UH, IN ORDER TO FILL, TO GET POSITIVE DRAINAGE, WE, WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT OUR PROPERTY FROM THE ADJACENT OWNER AND HE SAID, YEAH, I KIND OF MESSED UP 'CAUSE I FILLED IN AND PUT YOU GUYS IN A HOLE.
BUT YOU, YOU, SO IT WILL STILL BE SIX FEET, BUT LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SLIDE THEN, IS THEN, SINCE YOU'RE RAISING IT, WOULD THE FENCE THEN BE ABLE TO BE FIVE FEET AT THAT CORNER? NO, THAT'S WITH, THAT'S RAISED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WITH THE RAISED DIMENSION.
'CAUSE WE, IN THE IMAGES YOU'RE SEEING, WE'VE ALREADY EXCAVATED ABOUT EIGHT INCHES OFF THE PROPERTY SO THAT WE'RE GONNA BE RETURNING BACK SOIL.
WE, WE DID THIS AS A PART OF OUR LANDSCAPE, WHICH I GOT APPROVED BY H C R C, UM, THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, BUT WE HAD TO EXCAVATE OUT THE OLD SOIL AND WE'RE BRINGING BACK IN EIGHT INCHES.
SO YOU'RE SEEING EIGHT INCHES DOWN IN THIS SLIDE.
SO THIS, UH, STRIP DRIVEWAY THAT'S ON YOUR ADJACENT NEIGHBOR? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO THE SIX FOOT WILL COME ALONG, UH, BOSTON STREET AND THEN TURN AND BE PARALLEL TO THE DRIVE? YEAH, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT STEPS DOWN IN THE DRAWING THERE APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE.
UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.
AGENDA ITEM 21, SO I CAN USE THAT TO THE AGENDA.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 21,
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2022 DASH 4 28, UH, 1614 EAST HOUSTON STREET.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 1.5 STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.
A THROUGH M STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE EXISTING LOT AND THE SETBACKS OF THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES FOR STAFF REVIEW BASED ON FINDING E THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED A DESIGN THAT MORE CLOSELY MATCHES THE ORIGINAL FRONT FACADE, SPECIFICALLY TO INCLUDE A LOW CROSS GABLED ROOF WITH AN INSET PORCH SIDE ENTRY, LARGER WINDOW GROUPINGS, PORCH DESIGN AND CRAFT CRAFTSMAN DETAILS BASED ON FINDINGS K AND L NUMBER THREE, THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE FULLY WOOD AND INCLUDE THE SPECIFICATIONS LISTED IN FINDING J FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS, AND TRIM AND SEAL DETAIL THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT.
AS NOTED IN FINDING G THROUGH K, THE HOMEOWNERS D GOFORTH AND DOMINIQUE MILES ARE ATTENDING IN PERSON AND SO IS CRYSTAL.
MY NAME IS, UH, DI GOFORTH, OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THESE OTHER YOUNG LADIES HERE AND LET THEM TAKE THE RINGS.
AND WE DEFINITELY AGREE WITH ALL THE FINDINGS ON THERE, CHANGING IT TO THE WOOD, MAKING THE WINDOWS LARGER.
AND I DO HAVE OUR DESIGN, UM, SPECIALIST WITH US TODAY, CRYSTAL, THAT WILL SPEAK TO THAT, THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE FOR NEXT, UM, PRESENTATION.
I AM THE DESIGNER OF, UM, THE HOUSTON PROPERTY.
SO WE DID LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED, AND WE ARE GONNA MAKE SOME CHANGES AS FAR AS TO THE FRONT FACADE.
WE ARE GONNA PUT MORE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, MOVE OVER THE, UM, SLIDER THAT'S IN THE FRONT.
WE'LL PUT IT IN THE BACK AND THEN WE'LL ALSO MAKE IT A HALF HIP ROOF, WHICH WILL KIND OF MATCH THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IN THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST ADD THE SITE PLAN ONTO THE PLANS.
SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'LL BE MAKING BEFORE SUBMITTING FINAL PLANS.
THI THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT WAS DAMAGED AND WILL BE GONE AND YES.
SO I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD A PLEASURE TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
UM, THE LAST COUPLE TIMES I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS IS MY GREAT AUNT'S HOME, UM, MARY MANNING, AND WE INHERITED THAT.
MY, MY GRANDMOTHER AND HER SISTERS AND MY MOM INHERITED THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, AFTER MY MOM HAS, UM, REBUILT THE HOME TWO TIMES FROM TWO DIFFERENT TENANTS, UM, THE THIRD TENANT THAT NEVER PROVIDED A LEASE WITH US THAT DECIDED TO MOVE IN, UM, BURNED UP THE PLACE.
AND, UM, THANKFULLY NOBODY WAS INJURED.
UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW BUSINESSES NEXT DOOR AND ALL THEIR BEAUTIFUL CARS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TO THIS HOUSE, IT'S JUST, UM, A VERY DANGEROUS STRUCTURE.
SO WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE WONDERFUL PROCESSES OF LEARNING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT COULD BE DONE IF WE COULD EVEN TRY TO FIX IT.
IT WAS JUST VERY, VERY COSTLY.
WE, IN FACT, IT'S GONNA BE CALLED MARY'S PLACE.
UM, SO THE, IT WILL BE MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THEN, AND THE DREAM IS TO ADD ANOTHER STRUCTURE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
AND THEN ON THE LOT NEXT DOOR THAT MY MOTHER ALSO OWNS IS DO THE EXACT SAME STRUCTURES TO MORE HOMES EXACTLY JUST LIKE THEM.
AND WHEN I WENT OVER TO ZONING, AS YOU GUYS INSTRUCTED LAST TIME, I LEARNED THAT THE DENSITY SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THEN I CAN HAVE ONE AIRBNB, AND THEN THE OTHER TWO STRUCTURES MUST BE LONG-TERM RENTALS AND I'M FULLY COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HONOR MY GREAT-AUNT AND KEEP, UM, SOME, MY MOM WANTS TO SHOW THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE.
AND ONE, AND ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF ARE, ARE YOU CONFIDENT THAT THIS APPLICANT IS BEING GUIDED TOWARD A, YOU KNOW, AN AN END ALL PRODUCT THAT IS GONNA BE STREAMLINED SO THAT THERE'S A, A GOOD GUIDANCE? SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH? SO THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH ME, AND I THINK THAT, I BELIEVE THAT YES, THEY HAVE A GOOD TEAM AND A GOOD SUPPORT SYSTEM WITH STAFF.
AND Y'ALL, Y'ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A PRE-APPLICATION AND CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSION AND WE'RE AT YOUR SERVICE.
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AT THE SERVICE OF EVERY CITIZEN THAT COMES BEFORE US, BUT COUNT ON US, UH, TO MAKE THIS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR YES.AND I BROUGHT MY DAUGHTER WHO WILL BE THE END ALL PRODUCT THAT YOU GUYS WILL MEET IN 30 YEARS WHEN I'M STANDING UP HERE SAYING, EXCELLENT, I'M NOT TALKING ANYMORE.
AND SHE WILL START TO LEARN THIS PROCESS AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, THE STIPULATION IS THAT THE FRONT FACADE BE REDESIGNED TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
AND SO IF YOU ARE TO APPROVE THAT STIPULATION, THEN THAT WOULD GO TO STAFF AND NOT COME BACK HERE NECESSARILY.
COMMISSIONER MCG GROUP? YEAH, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION.
UM, I'M GONNA DO A MOTION AND THEN EXPLAIN A MOTION TO, UM, MOVE THIS TO A D R C.
I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE CALLED DRCS.
COULD WE GET THEY'RE STILL BE CALLED D A D CRC ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S A CASE, BUT IN THEIR APPLICATION THIS WILL BE A D R C NOW.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
AND, AND TO COMMISSIONER VE ALASKA'S POINT IS, I THINK YOU'VE, WELL YOU HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE.
WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THIS, WE'VE VISITED THE PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT WE, YOU'VE BEEN VERY GOOD.
I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO SIT HERE AGAIN FOR TWO HOURS
UM, THE POINT THAT, UM, STAFF WAS JUST CLARIFYING IS, AND THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE ARE DEMOLISHING A HISTORIC PROPERTY, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER'S BEING BUILT YES, MA'AM.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, IS SPECIFICALLY ON THE FRONT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE, ALMOST LIKE EXACT WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, AND I THINK YOU'VE UNDERSTOOD IT.
SO BEFORE YOU COME BACK OR IF YOU SEND IT TO STAFF AND STAFF, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
I FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE GOOD AND IF NOT, I RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, YOU COME INTO A D R C WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, REFINING THE DETAILS.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT TO AN APPROVAL.
NOW IN RELATION TO THE OTHER WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY LIMITED THAT WAS JUST A PERSONAL, UM, ADVICE.
SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
LIKE IF YOU CAN ONE APPROVE, THEN GO AHEAD AND BUILD THE OTHER THREE MM-HMM.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE IN THAT CONVERSATION AND I'M CAN I APPRECIATE THAT.
CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION ON HOW WE CAN MAKE THEM.
I, I, I JUST FOUND THOSE PICTURES AND I SAID WE'VE JUST GOTTA BRING THEM DOWN THERE.
I KNOW THAT WE DI WE DIDN'T HAVE THEM IN TIME TO GET THEM INTO THE PACKET, BUT I SAID, OKAY, LET'S JUST DO THIS NOW.
SO IF WE DO THIS, I THINK THIS WILL SATISFY EVERYONE AND UM, I THINK YOU'LL BE FINE GOING ALL THE WAY TO APPROVAL AFTER YOU GET THOSE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING, THE DETAILS AND THE WINDOW STIPULATIONS AND ALL THAT.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING WITH, UH, STAFF AND THE COMMISSION AND, AND, UH, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND WANTING TO DO THIS, UH, APPROPRIATELY.
SO, UH, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? ROLL CALL GIBBS.
SO, UM, YOU'LL WORK WITH CLAUDIA TO SET UP THIS, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.
UH, IT'LL BE NEXT WEEK AND THEN, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET YOU BACK, UH, AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO, UM, UH, DEVELOP THE PLANS OKAY.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 22 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH SEVEN THREE.
ADDRESS IS 1946 WEST GRAND MERCY PLACE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL NON-OPERATIONAL 14 BY 62 INCHES.
WOOD SHUTTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TWO WINDOW AREAS ON THE PRIMARY FACADE STAFFED DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B.
THE OWNERS THOMAS AND KERR ARE ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.
AND THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW.
SO, MR. KERR, ARE YOU GONNA BE SPEAKING? Y YES.
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UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR TIME.UH, THE SH HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE SHORT.
UM, WE'RE ASKING, OR WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE, UM, THE REQUEST TO ALLOW THE WINDOW SHUTTERS, UM, BUT INSTEAD OF THEM BEING NON-OPERATIONAL, UH, TO HAVE THEM APPEAR TO BE OPERATIONAL, UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET THIS INTO THE PACKET.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A, A HOST OF PICTURES, UM, OF OTHER HOUSES ON WEST KRAMER SEA, UH, WITHIN ONE BLOCK THAT ALL HAVE SHUTTERS.
UM, SOME OF THEM EVEN BEING THE SAME, UH, STYLE OF HOME.
UH, SPECIFICALLY 1930 WEST GRAMERCY, WHICH IS ALSO A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOME, UH, IN 1906 WEST KINGS, UM, WHICH IS, YEAH, UH, OTHER CRAFTSMAN HOMES WITH SHUTTERS.
UM, I ALSO HAVE THE FOLLOWING PICTURE.
IT, IT'S NOT IN THERE, UM, BUT THIS IS A PICTURE FROM A TEXTBOOK, UM, TITLED A, A FIELD GUIDE TO HISTORIC HOMES IN AMERICA.
IT'S GOT, UH, A SECTION ON CRAFTSMAN HOMES AND, AND THERE ARE TWO PICTURES HERE OF CRAFTSMAN HOMES WITH SHUTTERS.
UM, IT'S NOT TYPICAL OF THE, UM, HOME, UH, BUT IT, IT DOES OCCUR.
SO WE'RE MOVING TO REQUEST THOSE SHUTTERS.
MAY WE HEAR THE VOICEMAIL? YES.
CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 7 3 19 46 WEST GRAMERCY.
I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I'M OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.
WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS CASE BASED ON THE SHUTTER IMAGE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT DOES NOT, DOES HAVE NON MASONRY HOMES WITH SHUTTERS, BUT THE SHUTTERS ARE INTRODUCED IN A MANNER TO NOT DETRACT FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE HOME.
THEY ARE LIGHT IN THEIR APPEARANCE, ESSENTIALLY NOT BULKY AND SEEK TO COMPLIMENT THE HOME AS OPPOSED TO CONTRAST THE HOME FEATURE.
THE PROPOSED FOUR BOARDS AND TWO BATTEN NATURAL WOOD SHUTTERS ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SHUTTERS SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT IN THEIR PHOTOS OF NEARBY HOMES WITHIN THE MONTICELLO PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOR ARE THE SHUTTERS, UM, REFLECTIVE OF THE INVENTORY OF HOMES OF THE 1900 BLOCK OF WEST GRAMERCY.
WE NOTE THAT THERE ARE 25 HOMES ON THE 1900 BLOCK OF WEST GRAMERCY.
SEVERAL WITH SIMILAR ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS AND IN STYLE OF THIS HOME AND ONLY TWO HAVE TRADITIONAL WOODEN SHUTTERS.
THE TWO THAT HAVE WOODEN SHUTTERS ON THE 1900 BLOCK OF WEST GRAMERCY ARE NOT THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE HOME AT 1946 WEST GRAMERCY.
AND FOR THAT REASON WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, UH, JUST A MOMENT.
MR. KERR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID? UH, YES, I CAN COMMENT BRIEFLY.
UM, SEVERAL OF THE OTHER HOMES, UH, ON WEST GRAMERCY, UM, HAVE SIMILAR STYLE SHUTTERS BOARD AND BATTEN WITH NATURAL WOOD.
UM, WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO DISCUSSING WITH, UM, THE STAFF MEMBERS POSSIBLE CHANGES THAT WOULD MAKE THE SHUTTERS MORE ACCEPTABLE.
COMMISSIONER GROOVE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF THIS, IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT HIS HOME HAD SHUTTERS ORIGINALLY OR LIKE BACK HAD THEY BEEN REMOVED, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE HAD BEEN SHUTTERS INSTALLED ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WHENEVER THE KURS CAME FORWARD TO, UM, TO DO A TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION PROCESS, UH, THEY HAD ORIGINALLY PLACED SHUTTERS, UH, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR THE TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION OR THAT THEY WOULD, THEY REMOVED THE SHUTTERS.
SO THESE WERE THE SHUTTERS THAT HAD BEEN REMOVED? YES.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I WOULD DO A MOTION IF NONE.
UM, I THINK STAFF HAS A, I MEAN THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS RIGHT.
UH, IT'S A TYPE OF SHUTTER SPECIFICALLY.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES.
AND THEN SECOND, UM, YES, THERE ARE HOMES WITH SHUTTERS AND I DO ALSO AGREE THAT
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SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU ARE SHOWING ARE NOT THE SAME, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION OR STYLE.UM, SO I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU WANNA PUT SHUTTERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE THREE GANG WINDOWS AND THEN THE ONE TO THE LEFT.
SO IT'S NOT THIS PICTURE JUST A FRONT.
AND WHAT I SEE HERE IS LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY WE, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE KIND OF AGREE THAT YOU CAN USE THE SAME TYPE OF SHUTTER, WHICH ALL THE OTHER HOMES HAVE, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE THAT LOURED.
THERE'S, YOU SAID THERE'S MANY EXAMPLES OF THE ONE BY FOURS.
I THINK, UH, THEY'RE ALL KIND OF THE LOURED STYLE, LIKE THAT COULD BE, SO THEY HAVE IT ON JUST THE THREE GANG.
THEY DON'T HAVE IT ON THE OTHER WINDOWS, WHICH I ALSO AGREE.
I MEAN, IT WOULD LOOK A LITTLE AWKWARD WITH THAT GABLE ROOF THAT YOU HAVE MM-HMM.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST RIGHT AT THE FRONT.
I THINK THERE'S A, IF WE GO TO, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GO TO GOOGLE STREET VIEW, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE, I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE HOMES IS MY HOME THAT YOU USE AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, AND I THINK LET'S JUST SAY THAT THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOMES THAT ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS JUST A BLOCK DOWN THAT MIGHT HAVE THOSE SHUTTERS.
BUT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, PREDOMINANTLY I WOULD SAY ALMOST 99% OF THE HOMES HAVE THAT ALL THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAVE.
SO I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CONSIDER AT ALL? AND IF YOU DO, CAN WE TALK ABOUT IT? OR IS IT JUST NOT YES, NO.
YEAH, WE'D CERTAINLY BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT OR BE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND, AND CHANGES.
UM, I, I WANNA ASK A QUESTION.
SIR, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACHIEVE WITH THE, WITH THE SHUTTERS? WHAT'S THE MAIN, THE MAIN THING YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE? A AESTHETIC APPEAL? UM, THE FRONT FACADE IS, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE LARGE OPENING ABOVE THE THREE GANG WINDOW.
UM, IT, IT, IF I COULD SHOW A PICTURE OF WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE WITH THE SHUTTERS, IT, IT, IT IS AN IMPROVED LOOK.
WELL, J JUST JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THERE, THERE'S AN UNCOMFORTABLE, UM, SOMETHING HAPPENING, RIGHT? AND IT MM-HMM.
THE, THE GABLE THAT IS THE GABLE ENTRANCE MM-HMM.
THE SYMMETRY THAT'S, THAT'S CREATED BY THE ENTRY TO ME IS WHAT'S THROWING THE HOUSE OFF.
AND IT THROWS THOSE WINDOWS OFF, IS THAT, THAT GABLE'S RELATIONSHIP TO THAT WINDOW, THE SIDEWALK AND THE POST.
SO YOU, YOU MIGHT LOOK TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE FIXING AN OLD CAR WHERE YOU FIX SOMETHING AND IF THAT'S NOT IT, THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND THEN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE THAT MM-HMM.
UH, THERE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS.
'CAUSE IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE WINDOWS ARE HISTORIC.
AND, AND THE, THE PITCH AND THE ROOF LINES ARE ALL ALSO ORIGINAL AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
BUT IT, IT SEEMS SOMEWHERE SOMEBODY MOVED A WALL OR DID SOMETHING THAT REALLY AFFECTED, I DON'T, MR. CHAIR, IF, IF IF, IF YOU, IF Y'ALL COULD GO BACK TO THE PAGE FOUR, JUST THAT PAGE RIGHT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D AGREE MR. CHAIR.
THERE'S SOMETHING, SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS THE ISSUE.
IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE, THE THE WINDOWS.
IT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE, BASICALLY THE CASED OPENING GOING INTO THE PORCH WHERE THE, WHERE THE 1946 ADDRESS IS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, UH, TRIM BOARD ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UH, AND THEN THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, THAT YOU WALK THROUGH THAT'S NOT SYMMETRICAL ABOUT THAT SMALL GABLE IT, BUT IT'S ODD HOW THAT, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? RIGHT.
I MEAN, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PORCH REALLY THE WHOLE FRONT AND THEN THE FRONT GOT MOVED FORWARD.
I MEAN, I, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO TO COMPLICATE YOUR SITUATION, IT'S JUST THAT IT, IT, TO ME IT'S DOUBTFUL THAT THE SHUTTERS ARE GOING TO GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.
IT'S, I AGREE TO AN EXTENT THEY, HAVING PUT THEM UP, THEY DO HELP A LITTLE BIT OR THEY DO HELP WITH THE AESTHETICS, UH, AT
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LEAST AGAIN, AS, AS FAR AS AESTHETICS ARE SUBJECTIVE.SO I, I THINK I'M ALONG THOSE LINES AS TO IF, IF WE QUICKLY JUST SCAN OVER ALL THE PICTURES THAT YOU SUBMITTED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO EVERYBODY CAN GET AN IDEAS.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, ALL THE SHUTTERS ARE PLACED ON WINDOWS THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE SYMMETRICAL CENTERED, LIKE THAT ONE.
I MEAN, SO THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLE THAT WOULD HAVE SHUTTERS SAME HERE COMPLETELY.
SO THAT'S KIND OF ALSO THE REASON WHY I AM LIKE, I DON'T SEE THIS ACTUALLY BRING, THIS ONE IS KIND OF SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S KIND OF CENTERED AND IT MIGHT BE THAT LITTLE OVERHANG ROOF OVER THE FRONT DOOR.
BUT I THINK IF EITHER, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA WITHDRAW, IF NOT, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO DO A MOTION TO, YOU KNOW, PROOF OF AFRICAN NATION, WHICH MEANS NOT THOSE SHUTTERS.
IF YOU WANNA COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT STYLE OF SHUTTER, MAYBE DO A MOCKUP TO KIND OF MAKE US UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW THAT WILL AESTHETICALLY IMPROVE.
BUT ALL THESE EXAMPLES ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, SYMMETRICAL WITH THE WALL PLANE.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAYBE KIND OF THE REASON ALSO WHY I AM, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE APPROVING AS, UM, AS YOU WANT TO TODAY.
WAS THAT YOUR MOTION? I WANNA MAKE SURE.
I WANNA MAKE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE MOTION SHOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW OR SHOULD WE JUST A DENIAL, BUT THEN HE CANNOT COME BACK WITH MAYBE A DENIAL BASED ON THE MATERIAL.
WE CAN GIVE HIM THE OPTION IF HE, IF HE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN ALTERNATIVE, THEN YOU CAN JUST CONTINUE IT AND WE WOULD RESCHEDULE THE APPLICANT WHEN HE'S READY.
UM, IF HE DOES NOT, THEN HE CAN SEEK JUST A, A YAY OR A NAY TODAY.
I, I THINK THEY'RE THE HAND RAISED.
OH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FISH.
UH, I MEAN MY THINKING IS STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT AND I, I DON'T RECALL REVIEWING THIS SPECIFIC CASE FOR THE TAX CERTIFICATION, BUT STAFF DID SHARE THE IMAGE, UH, OF THE, UH, PROPOSED SHUTTERS INSTALLED.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF OF THE COMMISSION ASK THAT THOSE BE REMOVED BEFORE, UH, CERTIFICATION, UH, COULD BE, UH, ACCEPTED.
SO, UH, THE SHUTTERS THAT ARE PROPOSED, THE SHUTTERS THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE TODAY, I, I DO NOT SUPPORT AND UH, UH, I MAY SUPPORT, I MAY BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A DIFFERENT STYLE OF SHUTTER IF, UH, SHOWN TO BE APPROPRIATE.
UM, SO I, I THINK I'LL, I'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION MADE IF IT WAS SECONDED.
HOWEVER THE AUDIO WAS GOING IN AND OUT.
YEAH, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING WITH, YOU KNOW, FINDING A DIFFERENT STYLE OF SHUTTER.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
SO I, I THINK THAT THE, THE BEST THING TO DO MIGHT BE TO, TO DISPENSE WITH THE PROPOSED SHUTTERS IN AN ADDITIONAL, UH, A, A SHUTTER IN A DIFFERENT STYLE COULD BE PROPOSED.
IS THAT, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE COMMISSIONER? BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO COME TO THE COMMISSIONER FOR STAFF TOO.
SO I WOULD SAY CAN WE JUST DENY BASED ON THE MATERIAL PRESENTED TODAY, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
SO I'LL DO A MOTION TO DENY, UM, WITH THE SHUTTERS, ADDING THE SHUTTERS WITH THE MATERIAL PRESENTED TODAY.
ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
SO MR. KERR, IF YOU WANNA WORK WITH STAFF AND PROPOSE A DIFFERENT, UH, STYLE OF SHUTTER, UM, AND UH, IF YOU'RE STILL WANTING THE SHUTTERS TO UH, THEN PRESENT THOSE BACK, MR. CHAIR, IF, IF, IF I MIGHT JUST TO ADD SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I KNOW WAS OUTSIDE OF THE MOTION, BUT IT, IT, IT APPEARED JUST, JUST FOR FOOD, FOR THOUGHT FOR THE OWNER, UNLESS YOU HAVE HISTORIC IMAGES, IT APPEARS THAT THE FRONT LITTLE GABLE WAS ADDED AND THAT PERHAPS THE HORIZONTAL GABLE THAT FACES THE OTHER WAY, IT WOULD'VE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT VERTICAL WHITE LINE ON THE PORCH.
'CAUSE IT DEFINITELY WOULDN'T HAVE GD ITSELF STRAIGHT OFF ONTO THAT WINDOW THE WAY THAT IT, THE WAY THAT IT IS.
COMMISSIONER, IF I CAN JUST ADD SOMETHING.
I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT THERE WAS A DOOR REMOVED THERE.
SO THE STYLE OF THIS HOUSE WOULD HAVE DOORS, UH, NOT ONLY ON THAT INTERIOR, BUT ANOTHER DOOR
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THAT, UH, THE SIDEWALK LEADS TO.AND, AND I AND I FOLLOW THAT, THAT IT MAY HAVE A DOOR HERE AND A DOOR HERE, BUT THIS PART WOULD JUST CONTINUE AND IT WAS CRAFTSMAN.
IT WOULD STOP AND IT WOULD BE A GABLE GOING THIS WAY.
IT WOULDN'T COME OUT THIS WAY IN THE FRONT.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ADD THAT.
SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU MR. KERR, ABOUT, UH, NEXT STEPS.
SO JESS, GO AHEAD AND JUST READ THE BASICS IN.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THERE'S A GENTLEMAN NAMED CHRIS THAT I JUST ADDED AS A PANELIST.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REPRESENT THIS CASE OR NOT, BUT IF YOU DO, CAN YOU UNMUTE AND LET US KNOW? 1 0 3 EAST SATCH.
YOU STILL WANT ME TO READ INTO RECORD THOUGH? GO AHEAD AND READ INTO THE RECORD, THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANNA DO.
H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 7 6 1 0 3 EAST TWE SATCH AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY IN APRON FROM 16 TO 26 FEET AND EXPAND THE CURB.
CUT 10 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE, MODIFY A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR AN ADDITION TO THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE TO INCLUDE A THIRD GARAGE DOOR.
STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, EXPANDING THE DRIVEWAY AND APRON FROM 16 TO 26 FEET AND EXPANDING THE CURB.
CUT TO ACCOMMODATE BASED ON FINDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, MODIFICATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR AN ADDITION TO THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE TO INCLUDE A THIRD GARAGE DOOR BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT NOT BE ALTERED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW GARAGE DOOR OR THAT DRIVABLE PAVERS BE INTRODUCED IN FRONT OF THE THIRD BAY IN LIEU OF SOLID CONCRETE.
AND WE WERE EXPECTING, UH, OWNER JOSEPH COTTON TO JOIN BY WEBEX.
MR. CHAIR, A QUESTION FOR STAFF? YES SIR.
SO, SO THE GARAGE DOOR THAT'S THERE AND THEN THERE'S A A FOUR WINDOW, UM, CONFIGURATION.
WAS IT, WAS THE WINDOW REMOVED AND THE DOOR WAS MADE BIGGER? I'M JUST GONNA ASK, ARE ARE WE TAKING QUESTIONS IF THE OWNER ISN'T HERE, THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL.
WELL, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO YEAH, SO LIKE THE, LIKE THE LAST PICTURE THAT'S THERE, THE LAST, THE LAST PHOTOS REPRESENT THE CURRENT GARAGE.
AND SO, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WAS THE SECOND STORY ADDITION IN ADDITIONS TO THAT STRUCTURE.
UM, INITIALLY WHERE THE THIRD BAY IS BEING PROPOSED WAS JUST A, A WALL.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE DRIVEWAY, LIKE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ACCEPTABLE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? YES.
BUT HE'S REQUESTING TO EXPAND IT 10 FEET.
RIGHT, BUT BUT, BUT THE DOOR DOES NOT GET BIGGER.
RIGHT? HE'S ADDING A THIRD GARAGE DOOR.
SO THE WINDOW WOULD BE REMOVED THEN, RIGHT? THIS SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THE, THE SHEET BEFORE THIS IS THE PROPOSED, RIGHT? NO, NO, I I THIS IS THE NEW GARAGE DOOR.
THIS IS THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR.
AND THIS IS ADDITION AND THIS IS THE NEW PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR RIGHT HERE.
SO THE NEW PROPOSED GARAGE DOOR IS ON AN ADDITION? YES.
ON AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING GARAGE.
SO THE, THE TWO BAY GARAGE DOOR IS IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING TWO BAY GARAGE DOOR.
SO THE FOUR, THE, THE WINDOW THAT'S THERE IN THE PICTURE THAT HAS FOUR WINDOWS, IT'S GONE.
'CAUSE THE GARAGE DOOR IS BIGGER, RIGHT? OR THE GARAGE SEGMENT IS BIGGER.
THE GARAGE, I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
I'M, THE GARAGE SEGMENT GETS BIGGER TO THE LEFT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.
SO THE, I'LL DO A MOTION MR. CHAIR.
CONSIDERING THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, MOVE TO CONTINUANCE.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER? FISH.
IS THAT OLD? OKAY, IT'S, THANK YOU.
LEMME HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.
CARPENTER? AYE GROUP? AYE FETZER.
AND JUST TO NOTE, UH, THERE WAS A VOICEMAIL ON THIS CASE, SO THAT'LL BE MOVED TO THE CONTINUANCE AS WELL.
I'M SORRY, I MISSED, UH, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A VOICEMAIL ACTUALLY THERE'S A, A LETTER ON FILE.