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          ALRIGHT, IT'S 10:00 AM SO LET'S GET STARTED. 
          WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MEETING FOR MARCH THE 20TH, 2023. 
          I'LL START BY ASKING IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT NEEDS SPANISH TRANSLATION. 
          OKAY, WONDERFUL. 
          CAN WE, UM, DO A ROLL CALL? COUNCIL MEMBER VILLAGRA. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CASTILLO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER CASTRO PRESENT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER COURAGE PRESENT CHAIR ROJA GARCIA. 
          HERE, CHAIR. 
          WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE 
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WILL START WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          ITEM NUMBER ONE FROM FEBRUARY THE 23RD. 
          2023. 
          I HOPE EVERYBODY TOOK A LOOK AT THEM. 
          AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES, PLEASE LET US KNOW. 
          OR IF THERE IS A MOTION TO APPROVE, WE WILL ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. 
          NOW I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTION? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYONE. 
          WE WILL GO 
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ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK. 
          THE FIRST ONE IS LARRY GOTTMAN. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MORNING. 
          MY NAME'S LARRY GOTTMAN. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF AETNA SIGN GROUP, AND I'M ALSO HERE REPRESENTING SAN ANTONIO SIGN ASSOCIATION AND THE TEXAS SIGN ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, I HAVE SERVED ON LITERAL, LITERALLY EVERY COMMITTEE, UH, THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN REWRITING OUR SIGN CODES SINCE 1994. 
          BACK IN 2003, UM, WE, UH, REVISED THE CODE, UH, TO INCLUDE A GATEWAY CORRIDOR ALONG I 10. 
          UM, I WAS THERE, UH, ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WERE THERE, INCLUDING H O A MEMBERS. 
          UM, ANYONE, UH, CONSIDERED TO BE A STAKEHOLDER, UH, ACTUALLY SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AT THAT POINT, THE SIGN INDUSTRY GAVE UP QUITE A BIT. 
          UM, WE WENT FROM 650 SQUARE FEET TO 300 SQUARE FEET ON MULTI-TENANT SIGNS, AND WE DROPPED THE, UM, UH, ABILITY TO PUT AN ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTER FROM 375 SQUARE FEET TO A MAXIMUM OF 75 SQUARE FEET. 
          UH, IN 2015, UM, SOMEONE BROUGHT THIS TO PLANNING AND ZONING WHO, UM, ASKED THAT, UH, THOSE SIGNS BE OUTLAWED ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. 
          UM, THEY APPROVED IT, IT WENT TO COUNCIL. 
          WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE, WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE OF THIS FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED. 
          UM, IT WAS APPROVED. 
          UH, PERMITS WERE ISSUED IN SPITE OF, IN SPITE OF THAT APPROVAL, UM, BECAUSE I GUESS, UH, SOME MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF WERE STILL UNAWARE OF THAT CHANGE. 
          SO, I'M HERE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, ON EVERY COMMITTEE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, STAKEHOLDERS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. 
          THIS CODE WAS CHANGED WITHOUT ANY INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS. 
          AND, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWN SHOWING RIGHT NOW IN ITEM NUMBER TWO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. GUTMAN. 
          LUIS DE LARE, FOLLOWED BY BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS LUIS DE LA TORE. 
          I AM THE PRESIDENT OF CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          I RESIDE AT 74 TWIN BRIDGE IN DISTRICT 10. 
          I MANAGE TWO OFFICES, ONE IN DISTRICT TWO, ONE IN DISTRICT EIGHT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'VE SPENT ALMOST 15 YEARS LEADING THE OFFICE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS HAD THE PLEASURE OF PARTNERING WITH OUR CITY DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND OUR COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS TO CREATE A PROGRAM THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          THIS WILL BE THE THIRD REDUCTION PROGRAM. 
          WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY, UH, AND THE FIRST TWO REALLY MADE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN HOW MANY SIGNS EXIST IN THE CITY. 
          JUST WANTED TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT WERE A PART OF THAT PROGRAM, PART OF THE ORGANIZATION, AND LET YOU KNOW THAT CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR ENDORSES CHAPTER 28 CHANGES. 
          UH, I HOPE YOU'LL JOIN US IN SUPPORTING THE CHANGES. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. DRE BIANCA MALDONADO, FOLLOWED BY BONNIE CONNOR. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I SIT ON THE TIER STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THE TIER ONE NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AND I WAS A ABLE TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS COME FROM REGARDING CHANGES TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          AND I COME TO YOU TODAY, UM, TO CELEBRATE SOME OF THE SUCCESSES OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO TELL YOU SOME CAUTIONARY ITEMS. AND I GUESS I'LL START WITH THE CAUTIONARY ITEMS. UH, COSA EIGHT, WHICH IS THE, UM, PROPOSAL FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS IN URBAN CORRIDORS SEEKING TO INCREASE, UH, THE PERMIT SIZE THAT NEEDS A PERMIT. 
          SO CURRENTLY TODAY, IF YOU PUT A 
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15 FOOT SQUARE FOOT SIGN, YOU NEED A PERMIT. 
          THEY'RE NOW SAYING YOU WON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR UNTIL YOU GET TO A 32 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. 
          AND OUR URBAN CORRIDORS ARE, UM, SOME PROTECTION AREAS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR CITY. 
          UM, THEY'RE PRIMARILY ON NORTH ST. 
          MARY'S, FREDERICKSBURG ROAD, MAIN AVENUE, MCCULLOUGH, AND SAN PEDRO. 
          SO PLEASE CONSIDER REMOVING THAT ITEM FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          NONE OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SUPPORTED IT. 
          ITEM TWO DASH ONE. 
          THIS IS REVISIONS TO THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY. 
          THIS IS ONE THAT, AS YOU HEARD THE INDUSTRY GENTLEMAN SPEAK ABOUT CONCERNS. 
          UH, THE CITY ERRONEOUSLY ISSUED FIVE PERMITS TO DIGITAL ON-PREMISE SIGNS IN THE HILL COUNTRY CORRIDOR. 
          SO WE HAD A REQUEST TO, TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. 
          AND RESOLVING THAT ISSUE COULD BE APPROVING THE FIVE SIGNS THAT WERE, UH, PERMITTED, UM, OR TO REMOVE THE BAN ON DIGITAL ON-PREMISE SIGNS. 
          ALTOGETHER, THERE WAS A ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH NOTIFICATION. 
          WE THANK THE CITY FOR DOING THAT. 
          HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T HEAR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER A STRONG PRESENCE OF REMOVE THE BAN OR KEEP THE BAN. 
          THERE WAS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION THAT CAME FORWARD AND SAID THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IT. 
          AND SO FOR THAT REASON, THE COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES ONLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF, UH, THE FIVE THAT WERE ILLEGALLY PERMITTED BY THE CITY TO RIGHT THAT WRONG, BUT NOT TO REMOVE THE BAN ALTOGETHER, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. 
          SO WE ASKED THAT YOU APPROVE THE ALTERNATE VERSION FOR THAT ONE. 
          UM, SIX DASH ONE. 
          I I WOULD LIKE TO CELEBRATE THIS ONE. 
          THIS ONE CAME FROM COUNCILMAN PERRY, CONCERNED ABOUT THE BRIGHTNESS OF ON-PREMISE SIGNS. 
          SO MOST OF OUR VIOLATIONS THAT WE SEE WITH DIGITAL SIGNS ARE ON-PREMISE SIGNS. 
          THEY'RE NOT THE BILLBOARDS, THEY'RE THE ON-PREMISE. 
          AND SO THE CITY D S D STAFF PUT TOGETHER A PILOT PROGRAM WHERE THEY'RE REALLY GONNA GO OUT PROACTIVELY AND LOOK AT THAT BRIGHTNESS. 
          BUT ALSO WE NEED TO ADD IT TO THE 3 1 1 APP, UH, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THOSE VIOLATIONS USUALLY OCCUR LATE AT NIGHT WHEN NO ONE'S ANSWERING THE PHONE. 
          SO WE NEED THAT EXTRA EASE OF BEING ABLE TO, TO REPORT THOSE CONCERNS. 
          ALSO, ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S NOT ON THE RECOMMENDATION, SOMETHING MAY BE COUNSEL WILL TAKE UP IS THE NIGHT SKY FRIENDLY LIGHTING THAT IS 13 DASH ONE. 
          I WILL TELL YOU, BEING A PART OF THIS COMMITTEE, IT WASN'T AS, AS DIVERSIFIED AND AS A COMMUNITY MEMBER, WE DID, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE. 
          UM, WE DID WORK VERY, VERY HARD ON SEVEN DASH ONE, AS YOU HEARD, WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM CLEAR CHANNEL TO COME UP WITH A DIGITAL BILLBOARD PROPOSAL. 
          AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN EVALUATE IT FOR ITS MERIT. 
          IT IS PROTECTIVE OF OUR SENSITIVE AREAS IN THE CITY, AND WE ARE SUPPORTIVE BASED ON THE COLLABORATION THAT HAPPENED. 
          WE HAD MORE THAN 15 MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT. 
          IT WAS THE MO THE AMENDMENT THAT RECEIVED THE MOST ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU FOR, UH, RECEIVING MY COMMENTS TODAY. 
          THANK YOU, BIANCA. 
          BONNIE CONNOR, FOLLOWED BY DAVID ELRICH. 
          YOU'RE BEING TIMED. 
          OH, I'LL TRY TO BE FAST. 
          I WAS GOING TO GREET ALL OF YOU AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. 
          SOME PEOPLE I DO KNOW AND SOME I DON'T. 
          UH, MY NAME IS BONNIE CONNOR, AND I WAS A COUNCILWOMAN A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. 
          AND IT WAS WHEN THE ORDINANCE, UH, FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY CORRIDOR WAS PASSED. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WORKED ON, UH, BY THE COMMUNITY AND BY STAFF. 
          UH, AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO ATTENDED THE MEETINGS FOR THIS, UH, CURRENT REITERATION OF THE ORDINANCE. 
          THERE WERE 22 MEETINGS, WHICH SEEMS QUITE TO MANY TO, UH, HAVE TO ATTEND. 
          THE CITIZENS HAD THREE PEOPLE ATTENDING. 
          UH, I WANNA STRESS, OF COURSE, THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO VOTE, BUT THEY DID ATTEND EVERY MEETING TO MY KNOWLEDGE. 
          THAT WAS, UH, BIANCA MALDONADO, COLLEEN WABA, AND PATTY ZIONS. 
          UH, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THIS ORDINANCE THAT I'M SPEAKING OF IN DECEMBER OF 2002. 
          NOW, THAT WAS AN EXCITING YEAR, AS SOME OF YOU REMEMBER. 
          WELL, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO MENTION. 
          ABOUT 2000. 
          WE HAD SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS IN DEEP TROUBLE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. 
          I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE AND, UH, WHY THEY ALLOWED DIGITAL SIGNINGS A A MISTAKE THAT WAS NEVER IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO THAT WAS ALLOWED BY THE CITY. 
          UM, SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THIS. 
          UH, WE HAVE ALSO REACHED OUT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, UH, TAKEN A LOOK AT ANY OF THE, UH, RESULTS OF A POLL THAT WE DID. 
          UH, THE POLL REFLECTED THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE DO NOT WANT DIGITAL SIGNS. 
          THEY WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF THEM. 
          IT'S A VERY, IT'S A DISTRACTION. 
          THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THIS CORRIDOR WAS TO KEEP IT FROM VISUAL CLUTTER AND TO KEEP IT AS NATURAL 
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AS POSSIBLE. 
          WELL, OF COURSE, YOU'VE SEEN I 10 WHAT IT'S LIKE, I, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE CORRIDORS GOING IN ON THESE, UH, WHAT IS IT, MARTINEZ CREEK AND ALL THE OTHER SOUTHERN CREEKS, YOU'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH A VERY SIMILAR ISSUE WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT STARTS TAKING PLACE. 
          AND EVERYONE WANTS A SIGN UP THERE AND EVERYONE WANTS IT DEVELOPED. 
          SO BE VERY CAUTIOUS. 
          MY ADVICE TO YOU, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR IT. 
          BUT, UH, THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER THAT IS TOTALLY IN CHARGE OF YOUR ZONING AND PLANNING. 
          KEEP, UH, KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. 
          NOW, I KNOW I'VE COVERED MORE THAN YOU THAT I'M PROBABLY SUPPOSED TO, BUT, UH, I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DIGITAL SIGNS ON THE CORRIDOR. 
          I WILL JUST SPEAK TO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN DAVID EARTH. 
          I HAVE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE IT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DEBBIE WILL TAKE THAT FROM ME. 
          OH, THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU, MIKE. 
          YEAH, DAVID ERLICH, FOLLOWED BY ELIZABETH TAYLOR. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, COMMENT ON AN IDEA THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN TERMS OF USING DIGITAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, UH, IN THE HEART OF THE URBAN CORE AND SOME, SOME NEARBY AREAS TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR CITY ART PROGRAMS. AND TO PROVIDE A PLATFORM FOR A LOT OF THE LOCAL ARTISTS AND LOCAL CULTURAL ENTITIES THAT YOU HAVE HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, THIS IDEA HAS BEEN, UH, IMPLEMENTED IN A CAREFULLY CONTROLLED FASHION IN MANY OTHER CITIES. 
          UH, DENVER, ATLANTA, BALTIMORE, VERY SUCCESSFULLY. 
          THE DENVER DISTRICT IS ABOUT, UH, 12 YEARS OLD. 
          THE ATLANTA DISTRICT IS ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD. 
          UM, AND I THINK IT'S A PRETTY EXCITING WAY TO GENERATE LIGHT, UH, VITALITY AND AGAIN, PROVIDE A REVENUE STREAM FOR, UH, YOUR TERRIFIC LOCAL ART SCENE. 
          UM, UH, IT'LL BE, UH, DISCUSSED LATER. 
          AND, UH, WE STARTED IN A SIMILAR PROCESS AS WHAT YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT, UH, IN THE FIRST COMMENTS. 
          BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A REVENUE COMPONENT COMING BACK TO THE CITY, ATTACHED TO OUR IDEA, UH, WE'RE WORKING IN A, A SEPARATE FASHION, IDEALLY, UM, GATHERING INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL AND STAFF TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT, UH, TRULY REFLECTS THE, UM, SAN ANTONIO ETHOS. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          DAVID. 
          ELIZABETH TAYLOR. 
          AND, UM, I BELIEVE COLLEEN, UM, WACK HAD GONE ACROSS THE HALLWAY, AND SO SHE SIGNED IN LATE. 
          SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH MY COLLEAGUES, MAY WE LET HER SPEAK. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ACTUALLY, I'M ONE AND THE SAME. 
          I'M COLLE, I'M, I GO BY MY MIDDLE NAME. 
          COLLEEN TAYLOR. 
          WACK. 
          OH, GOT IT. 
          I RESIDE AT 1603 TARTAN LANE IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          UM, I FIRST OF ALL WANT TO THANK, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF FOR ALL THE ASSISTANCE THEY GAVE US THROUGH THE MANY, MANY MEETINGS, ALL THE INFORMATION THEY GATHERED FOR US, AND IT, IN ORDER TO HELP US MAKE THE DECISIONS WE MADE. 
          UH, I OVERALL AGREE WITH MOST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE. 
          HOWEVER, UM, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE FINAL, UH, OPTIONS. 
          AND, UM, WHILE WE WERE IN AGREEMENT ON MOST THINGS, THERE WERE A FEW PLACES THAT WE DIFFERED. 
          ONE OF 'EM WAS THE SIZE OF TEMPORARY SIGNS IN THE ORBIT. 
          URBAN CORRIDORS, AS MS. MALDONADO MENTIONED, UM, THERE'S AN ATTEMPT TO RAISE THE SQUARE FOOT, MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOT TO 32 SQUARE FOOT BEFORE YOU WOULD NEED A PERMIT. 
          WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO STAY AT 15 SQUARE FOOT, UM, IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE DIGITAL OR CLUTTER, VISUAL CLUTTER ALONG THOSE URBAN CORRIDORS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THE THE SECOND ITEM IS DIGITAL ON-PREMISE SIGNAGE IN THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR. 
          UM, AS, UH, THE SIGN INDUSTRY INDICATED THEY FELT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH PUBLIC INPUT WHEN THE DECISION TO RESTRICT THAT SIGNAGE WAS MADE. 
          WE MET WITH, UM, THEM, UH, VERY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          AND, UM, AND I, I AGREED THAT STAKEHOLDERS ON NEITHER SIDE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INPUT. 
          I SAID, TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT DATE WOULD BE MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE. 
          THEREFORE, THE COMMITTEE WENT TO THE PUBLIC AND HELD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE NOT S WE'RE NOT ENGAGED IN. 
          TO ME, THE, THE, THAT AREA IS THRIVING WITHOUT THE DIGITAL SIGNAGE. 
          AND THE BUSINESSES DID NOT VOICE 
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SUPPORT FOR THE NEED FOR IT. 
          UM, SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO, UM, NOT ALLOW DIGITAL ON-PREMISE SIGNAGE IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR. 
          LASTLY, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE OUR FRIEND FROM THE GROUP WHO WOULD LIKE TO PUT STREETSIDE DIGITAL ADVERTISING IN OUR URBAN AREA. 
          UM, HE DID SHOW UP EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          HE WAS SAID HE WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH US AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY, AND THEN WE DIDN'T SEE HIM AGAIN. 
          SO, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE HIM, UH, HERE AGAIN WHEN HE WAS NOT ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS THROUGHOUT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU, COLLEEN. 
          WE WILL MOVE 
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ON TO, UM, WITH, WITH, IF IT'S OKAY FROM MY COLLEAGUES, I'D LIKE TO TAKE UP THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, UH, FOUR AND FIVE. 
          AND THEY, UH, HAVE BEEN HEARD THROUGH OTHER COMMITTEES THAT, THAT WE SERVE ON. 
          BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE A PRESENTATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. 
          NOW THEY'RE IN DISTRICTS THREE, UM, AND FIVE. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          SO LET'S GET IT. 
          MAY I GET A MOTION ON THE TABLE THEN TO APPROVE? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS FOUR AND FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO, 
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UM, WILL NOW BE PRESENTED BY MIKE SHANNON. 
          MIKE SHANNON, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THIS IS A BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDED UPDATE TO CHAPTER 28, SIGNS AND BILLBOARDS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, THANK YOU CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, UH, AS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS MIKE SHANNON, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. 
          UH, AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UH, THE SIGN CODE UPDATE. 
          AND, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER, JUST LAST YEAR, A FEW MONTHS AGO, WE UPDATED, UH, JUST ABOUT ALL OF OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENT CODES, THE U D C AND, UH, THE BUILDING RELATED CODES, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          WE WERE ALSO WORKING ON THIS ONE. 
          UH, IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO GET THIS ONE TO THE FINISH LINE DUE TO SOME, UH, EXTRA SUBCOMMITTEES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT TOPICS. 
          UH, BUT HERE WE ARE TODAY, UH, WITH A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO, A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UM, REALLY IN 1994 WAS THE FIRST MAJOR CHANGE IN 2017. 
          WE WENT THIS REALLY LONG TIME WITHOUT A MAJOR CHANGE, UH, OF THE WHOLE CHAPTER 28. 
          CHAPTER 28 IS SIGNS. 
          UM, BUT WE DID THAT IN 2017. 
          IT WAS REALLY OUR FIRST MAJOR UPDATE IN, UH, 20 SOME ODD YEARS. 
          UH, BUT THEN WHAT WE DID IN 2017, WE SAID, WELL, LET'S PUT IT ON THE REGULAR CYCLE, UH, SIMILAR TO THE U D C AND THE OTHER CODE. 
          SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THIS JUST ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS, UH, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY, UM, NEEDED CHANGES. 
          SO, UM, YOU HEARD A LITTLE BIT ALREADY, BUT, UH, THE PROCESS IS DICTATED BY OUR CODE. 
          AND THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT CHAPTER 28 IS, CHAPTER 28 IS, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A STRUCTURE SIGN, STRUCTURAL CODE, AS WELL AS A ZONING TYPE, UH, FOR SIGNS LIKE WHERE YOU CAN PUT 'EM, HOW MANY YOU CAN PUT 'EM, HOW TALL, AND THEN HOW TO SAFELY BUILD THEM, WHETHER IT'S ON-PREMISE OR OFF-PREMISE. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE BUILDING RELATED AND FAR CODES, APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, UH, OR OUR CONSTRUCTION BOARD, WHICH IS 34 MEMBERS, WHICH IS 17, UH, MEMBERS AND 17 ALTERNATES. 
          UM, AND THEN THEY HEAR AND DECIDE APPEALS ON THINGS LIKE BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION, FIRE, FIRE, PROTECTION RELATED, BUT ALSO SIGNS. 
          AND THEY ARE ALSO AS PRESCRIBED. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, UH, AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SIGN CODE UPDATES. 
          SO WE WORKED WITH THEM, UH, THIS PAST YEAR. 
          SO THIS IS A TOUGH SLIDE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LOT, A LOT ON HERE. 
          JUST A REMINDER, UH, THE, OF THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE HERE, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS, UH, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING DESIGN, AND CONTRACTORS, UH, REGISTERED SIGN CONTRACTORS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ARCHITECTS AND, UH, BUILDERS. 
          UH, THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP THIS, UH, 17 MEMBER BOARD. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY AND ALTERNATE, UH, MEMBERS ALONG WITH ORGANIZATIONS. 
          'CAUSE OUR LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SIGN ASSOCIATION, UH, LIKE THE BUILDING OWNERS, UH, MANAGERS, ASSOCIATION OF BOMA, ALL OF THOSE HAVE A, THEY, THEY RECOMMEND. 
          AND THEN YOU APPOINT, UH, THOSE MEMBERS FOR THEIR TERMS. SO WHAT DOES, WHAT HAPPENS THROUGH THE PROCESS? SO THAT BUILDING AND, UH, FIRE RELATED APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD, OR THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD, THEY, UH, DO A SMALL, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE AS THEY DID WITH THE, ALL OF THE, UH, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE STUFF AND THE, UH, BUILDING RELATED STUFF, UH, LAST YEAR. 
          BUT THEY APPOINTED, UH, SOME MEMBERS, UH, THAT WERE LISTED THERE FROM, UH, THE, THE, THE, UH, UH, THAT LARGE BOARD. 
          SO YOU SEE THOSE ON THE LEFT. 
          BUT WE ALSO ADDED, OR THEY ALSO ADDED, UH, FOUR NON-BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE IT'S CRITICAL TO HAVE OTHERS, UH, INVOLVED AS WELL. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE LISTED THERE. 
          AND THEY WERE ALREADY MENTIONED, UH, BIANCA, COLLEEN, AND PATTY, AS WELL AS GREG MANN FROM, UH, REX, A REAL ESTATE COUNCIL. 
          SO, UH, A SPECIAL THANKS TO THIS GROUP HERE, BECAUSE NOT ONLY I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT ALL THE MEETINGS THEY WENT TO, BUT THESE ARE LONG MEETINGS, LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM AND OUR SIGN CODE DEBATING SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE GONNA 
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HEAR TODAY. 
          SO, IT'S ALWAYS A VALIANT EFFORT. 
          UH, WHEN ANYONE SIGNS UP FOR THIS, USUALLY BY THE SECOND OR THIRD MEETING, UH, THEY, THEY WONDER IF THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SO, BUT THANK YOU TO THEM. 
          SO, UH, HERE'S THE AMENDMENT PROCESS. 
          AS I MENTIONED, UH, THIS SIGN CODE COMMITTEE, UH, THAT CREATED SOME SUBCOMMITTEES, BUT THEY HAD 22 MEETINGS, HOURS AT LENGTH EACH. 
          UM, THERE WERE THREE WORKING GROUPS. 
          'CAUSE WHAT THEY DID, THEY HAD SEVERAL TOPICS. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE TO REALLY IRON THOSE OUT AND BRING THOSE TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, TO THE BOARD. 
          UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, COUPLE DOZEN OF THOSE MEETINGS. 
          WE HAD SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS AT THE START AND AT THE NEAR THE END OF THE PROCESS. 
          AND THEN, UH, THOSE CHANGES, UH, AS THOSE ARE ALL ROLLED UP, THEY WERE PRESENTED, UH, TO THE BUILDING AND FIRE, UH, CODE APPEALS ADVISORY BOARD, UH, A WEEK OR SO AGO. 
          AND THAT BOARD, UH, RECOMMENDED, UH, THE, THE SIGN CODE CHANGES THAT I'M PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY. 
          SO, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE WERE 32 RECEIVED AME AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 28. 
          UH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE ARE 2022, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, A COUPLE WITHDRAWN, UH, FOUR, NO ACTION, AND FOUR NOT RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PROCESS. 
          AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO I'M JUST GONNA STEP BACK, UH, QUICKLY TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          'CAUSE I'M GONNA USE THESE TERMS. SO, UH, I JUST MENTIONED WHAT THE SIGN CODE IS. 
          THAT'S CHAPTER 28, UH, NOW A BILLBOARD OR AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN. 
          WE USE THESE TERMS A LOT. 
          YOU HEAR BILLBOARD ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          IT'S A STRUCTURE ERECTED TO DISPLAY AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN. 
          AND AN OFF-PREMISE SIGN IS SOMETHING THAT ADVERTISES SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THAT, THAT PROPERTY. 
          SO, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU THE EASY EXAMPLE OF THE ON-PREMISE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A MCDONALD'S RESTAURANT AND YOU HAVE THAT BIG MCDONALD'S SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY, THAT IS ON PREMISE. 
          HOWEVER, THINK OF THE BILLBOARDS THAT ARE ON THE HIGHWAYS. 
          THEY ARE ADVERTISING THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THAT LOCATION. 
          THAT'S OFF PREMISE. 
          OKAY? UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO OUR DISCUSSION, UH, MOVING FORWARD. 
          NOW, ONE OF THE TENANTS OF THE SIGN CODE, SINCE THE MID EIGHTIES, WAS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF OFF-PREMISE SIGNS IN THE CITY. 
          THAT'S AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE SIGN CODE. 
          AND BACK IN THE MID EIGHTIES, WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 2,400 OFF-PREMISE SIGNS OR BILLBOARDS IN OUR CITY. 
          UH, NOW, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UNDER 800. 
          AND THROUGH A PROCESS OF NOT ALLOWING ANY MORE, UH, AND HAVING A TAKE DOWN RATIO, AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, UH, SINCE 2008, WE'VE SEEN THAT NUMBER DECREASE. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT. 
          SO, UH, I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE MAJOR AMENDMENTS. 
          UH, SOME OF THEM WERE MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT ALREADY. 
          UH, THE FIRST IS TO MODIFY, UH, THE GATEWAY HILL COUNTRY, UH, CORRIDOR TO, UH, REMOVE THE PROHIBITION OF ANY MORE DIGITAL ON-PREMISE SIGNS AND ALLOW THEM IN A REDUCED MANNER. 
          UH, I, I HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, UH, ONE THAT I WANT TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL. 
          THE SECOND ONE, UH, HERE IS TO REVISE, UH, OR ALLOW, UM, UH, EXISTING STATIC DIGITALS TO BE CONVERTED, UH, I'M SORRY, EXISTING STATIC BILLBOARDS TO BE CONVERTED TO DIGITAL IN A SMALL NUMBER OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. 
          SO THIS IS OUR NEXT PROPOSAL FOR DIGITAL CONVERSION, SOMETHING THAT WE DID BACK IN, UH, 2018 SUCCESSFULLY. 
          SO THIS IS OUR NEXT PROPOSAL, UH, TO ADD TO THE CODE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THE LAST ONE THERE IS ALLOWING, UH, ANY, ANY, ANY EXISTING BILLBOARDS, UM, THAT ARE AFFECTED BY, UH, WHAT WE CALL GOVERNMENT ACTION. 
          UH, BASICALLY THOSE BIG HIGHWAY, UH, FLYOVERS THAT ARE BEING BUILT ALL OVER THE CITY, RIGHT? TXDOT IS DOING ALL THIS ELEVATED HIGHWAYS. 
          UH, THERE'S A PROPOSAL IF THAT HAPPENS. 
          AND A EXISTING BILLBOARD REALLY LOSES VISIBILITY, ALLOWING THEM TO INCREASE THAT HEIGHT UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 85 FEET, AGAIN, DUE TO GOVERNMENT ACTION ONLY. 
          UM, THERE IS ANOTHER SECTION ABOUT GOVERNMENT ACTION, UH, THAT'S IN THE SIGN CODE THAT AS AN ALLOWANCE ONLY FOR THAT. 
          UH, BUT WITH THE, WITH THE INCREASE IN NUMBER OF, UH, HIGHWAY FLYOVERS, UM, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS BEING, UH, IS SHOWN TODAY. 
          SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR. 
          SO, AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, MS. CONNOR WAS UP ALREADY. 
          THIS WAS CREATED IN 2003, UH, BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND IT, THAT'S, THAT IS 1604 AND IH 10 ALL THE WAY UP, UH, REALLY UP TO, UH, JUST ABOUT BERNIE STAGE ROAD, A LITTLE PAST BERNIE STAGE ROAD, I THINK. 
          UH, BUT ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT CORRIDOR. 
          IN 2003, THEY, THEY SET SOME DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, FOR WHAT CAN BE, UH, BASICALLY BUILT ALONG THERE, HAS TO DO A LOT OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, UM, ET CETERA OF THE BUILDINGS, SOME LANDSCAPER REQUIREMENTS AND OTHERS. 
          UH, BUT ONE OF THE ITEMS IN 2003, UH, DIGITAL DISPLAYS WERE ALLOWED, UH, LIMITED TO 25% OF THE TOTAL, WHETHER THAT WAS CONSCIOUS OR A MISTAKE AS MS. CONNOR. 
          BUT, BUT THAT WAS IN THE CODE FOR 12 YEARS, IN 2015 THROUGH A COUNCIL CONSIDERATION REQUEST. 
          UH, THEN THAT WAS SPONSORED BY THEN. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN NUREMBERG, NOW MAYOR, UM, ASKED 
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THE CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT, UH, THAT GATEWAY CORRIDOR, PAYING SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO THE NODE RIGHT THERE AT 1604 AND I 10. 
          IT'S KINDA A LITTLE BUMP OUT. 
          AND SOME OF THE PROVISIONS THAT, UH, IN THAT WERE CHANGED AND MODIFIED, SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL PROVISIONS WERE, WERE, UH, REDUCED A LITTLE BIT. 
          THAT WAS A VERY ACTIVE, UH, AND STILL IS A VERY ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT NODE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, AT THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO ADD A RESTRICTION FOR NO MORE. 
          UH, DIGITAL SIGNS, UH, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, GOT PASSED BY THE ZONING COMMISSION. 
          A FEW WEEKS LATER, GOT PASSED BY CITY CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UH, DURING THOSE, UH, TWO WEEKS OR THREE WEEKS, UH, BETWEEN, UH, BUT IT DID GET PASSED. 
          UH, THE PROPOSAL TODAY IS TO REVERT BACK TO THE OH THREE PROVISION, JUST FOR THAT SIGNED PROVISION. 
          NOTHING ELSE. 
          WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR OTHER THAN THAT. 
          BUT THE PROPOSAL THAT MADE ITS WAY, UH, THROUGH THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE, UH, BOARD, UM, WAS, UH, TO REVERT BACK TO THE OH THREE WHILE ALLOWING SOME, UM, UH, BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 25% OF THE TOTAL SIGN. 
          AND THAT IS ON-PREMISE. 
          SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, DIGITAL CONVERSIONS. 
          SO THIS IS THE OTHER ONE. 
          SO, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS FIRST CAME INTO SAN ANTONIO IN 2008 THROUGH A LONG PROCESS, A VERY, UH, BIG DISCUSSION. 
          UH, THE FIRST, UH, 14, UH, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS WERE CREATED THROUGH A PILOT PROGRAM. 
          AND THAT WAS IT FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. 
          A FEW YEARS AGO IN, UH, 2018, UH, WE, WE WERE APPROACHED AND, UH, DEVELOPED A PROPOSAL TO ADD, UH, MORE DIGITAL FACES. 
          REALLY, THEY WERE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE EXISTING DIGITALS, UH, ALONG WITH ONE NEW ONE. 
          UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS, COUNCIL APPROVED THAT WITH SIGNIFICANT TAKEDOWNS OF EXISTING. 
          SO, UH, THE THIRD PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE ONE THAT, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY, IS, UM, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW DIGITAL CONVERSIONS OF EXISTING STATIC FOR UP TO EIGHT EXISTING BILLBOARDS A YEAR. 
          SO THREE YEARS, UH, THIR, UH, UH, UH, EIGHT TIMES 3 24  24, UH, FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. 
          UH, BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO REMOVE AT A FOUR TO ONE RATIO. 
          SO THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE DOWN FOUR EXISTING BILLBOARDS OF THE SAME SIZE, UH, TO GET THIS, UH, DIGITAL CONVERSION. 
          UH, YOU WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO IT NEAR DOWNTOWN, OR US 2 81 HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS, THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY QUARTER. 
          SO SOME AREAS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY PROTECTED FROM THIS. 
          UM, AND THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME INCENTIVE FOR REMOVING EXISTING SIGNS IN THOSE PROHIBITED AREAS TO GET A LITTLE EXTRA CREDIT FOR THAT FOUR TO ONE TAKEDOWN. 
          UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING THROWN IN THERE, UH, THAT THE PROPONENT HAD SAID, WELL, THERE'S, EACH ONE OF THESE WOULD'VE 40 HOURS OF SAN ANTONIO PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          BUT AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THE DIGITAL CONVERSION IS REALLY, I THINK, THE FASTEST WAY TO CONTINUE TO TAKE DOWN EXISTING BILLBOARDS. 
          UH, SO IF, IF YOU LIKE THIS, THIS IS AT A FOUR TO ONE RATIO, UH, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          AND IT'S LIMITED TO ONLY EIGHT PER YEAR. 
          UH, IT'S NOT, UH, HUNDREDS. 
          SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS, UH, WITH THAT WERE EITHER APPROVED OR NO ACTION ITEMS. SO, AS LISTED HERE, THERE WERE 19 AMENDMENTS THAT WERE REALLY JUST STREAMLINING, UH, THE CODE LANGUAGE TO ENSURE WE CAN ADEQUATELY ENFORCE EVERY TIME WE GO THROUGH THIS. 
          THERE'S SOME, JUST SOME GRAY AREAS ON, ON WHAT SOMETHING MEANS. 
          UH, A LOT OF THOSE PROPOSALS WERE FROM US CITY STAFF THAT ARE IN THE CODE. 
          UH, SO THERE'S NO REAL CHANGES, BUT IT'S REALLY IMPROVING PERMITTING AND ENFORCEMENT SO THAT IT'S CLEAR WHAT'S ALLOWED, WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED, UH, SO WE CAN APPROVE OR DENY QUICKER, UH, AND, UH, AND ENFORCE BETTER IN THE FIELD. 
          SO THOSE WERE KIND OF THE EASY ONES OF WHICH WERE MOST OF THE AMENDMENTS, BUT THERE WERE FOUR, UH, NO ACTION ITEMS. DIDN'T REALLY GET THE SUPPORT OF THE PROCESS OR THE COMMITTEE AT, AT THE TIME. 
          UH, SO THERE WAS A, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ALLOWING MORE TEMPORARY SIGNS TO BE EXEMPT FROM, UH, ONLY BEING INSTALLED OVER THE WEEKEND. 
          SO THIS IS OUR, WHAT WE CALL OUR TEMPORARY WEEKEND SIGN PROGRAMS. UH, SOME OF, YOU KNOW, BANDIT SIGNS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERMITS. 
          THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT EXPANDING THAT, BUT THAT DIED. 
          IT DIDN'T GET THE FULL SUPPORT, UH, OF IT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WAS ACTUALLY MENTIONED. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL TOUCH ON THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT TODAY. 
          WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK, THOUGH, IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S SOME KEY PIECES. 
          IT'S NOT FULLY, UH, ALL OF A SIGN CODE ISSUE. 
          IT'S NOT FULLY ALL OF A PUBLIC ARTS ISSUE. 
          IT HAS SOME ZONING STUFF, BUT, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE'LL ASK FOR YOUR INPUT. 
          SHOULD WE, UH, CONTINUE DOWN. 
          UM, THERE IS A REQUEST FOR, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO BECOME CERTIFIED CITY WITH TDOT. 
          WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT STREAMLINES A LITTLE BIT OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. 
          SO IF I'M A BILLBOARD OPERATOR TO GET A PERMIT TO DO TO, TO, UH, TAKE DOWN AND INSTALL A, A BILLBOARD, UH, THEY HAVE TO GET SOMETHING, A PERMIT FROM US. 
          AND TXDOT, THERE WAS, THERE CONTINUES TO BE A PROPOSAL FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR CODE, UH, PROPOSAL TODAY. 
          AND THEN, UM, 
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YOU KNOW, ONE REQUEST, IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE DIGITAL, UH, CONVERSION PROGRAM, BUT NO, NO ACTION, UH, WAS REQUIRED ON THAT. 
          WE JUST PUT IT INTO THE DIGITAL BILLBOARD. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO OTHER, OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MEMBER, MAYBE BIANCA, UH, ENFORCEMENT OF THE BRIGHTNESS LEVELS FOR DIGITAL SIGNS. 
          SO A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT ARE DIGITAL SIGNS TOO BRIGHT OR NOT, UH, WHAT WE, UH, SHARED WITH SOME DATA ABOUT THE CALLS THAT WE GET, UH, FOR DIGITAL SIGNS BEING TOO BRIGHT, AND OUR ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS, UH, THE COMMITTEE ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT, AND WE DON'T NEED A CODE CHANGE FOR THIS IS COME UP WITH SOME ADDITIONAL WAYS TO ENFORCE AT NIGHT, UH, MAYBE A PILOT, UH, PROGRAM WITH SOME OF MY ASSIGNED INSPECTORS OR CODE OFFICERS GOING UP PROACTIVELY, UH, OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY NOT A, A SIGN CODE. 
          BUT THAT WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON ENSURING DIGITALS MEET THE CODE, UH, THE ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY IN DOWNTOWN. 
          AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I MENTIONED THERE. 
          AND IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, UH, IN THE, IN THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS, WHICH SHOULD WE ALLOW SOME DIGITAL DISPLAYS IN SOME DOWNTOWN AREAS? UH, AND HOW WOULD WE CREATE THOSE? UH, THERE COULD HELP SUPPORT PUBLIC ARTS. 
          IT WOULD HAVE SOME OUTDOOR ADVERTISEMENT AND PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS, ET CETERA. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE AND PROBABLY LOOK AT. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT AT THE BEGINNING. 
          AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, THERE WAS, UH, SOME PROPOSALS TO MAKE ALL SIGNS IN THE CITIES BE NIGHT SKY COMPLIANT, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, MILITARY LIGHTING OVERLAY STANDARDS IN THAT COVER ABOUT HALF OF OUR CITY. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE, UH, YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED THOSE, OR YOUR PREDECESSORS HAVE APPROVED THOSE AROUND THE MILITARY BASES. 
          WE HAVE LIGHTS AND SIGNAGE, UM, REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, THERE IS A LITTLE TYPO ON THIS THAT KELVIN TEMPERATURE, UH, IS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN 3000, I BELIEVE IT IS. 
          UH, BUT THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, SHOULDN'T SHOULD ALL SIGNS, UH, BE REDUCED TO THAT NUMBER. 
          UH, AND IT DIDN'T REALLY GET FULL SUPPORT. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DATA AS WELL AS, IS IT REALLY A SIGN PROBLEM OR IS IT LIGHTING IS THE PROBLEM, OR BOTH. 
          SO THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING, UH, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE UP, UH, SEPARATELY. 
          SO IT'S NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL, SO KIND OF SKIP THAT. 
          SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO PROCEED WITH THESE, UH, AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED, UH, TO A SESSION. 
          UH, WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO TAKE THAT PROBABLY NEXT MONTH IF WE COULD, IF WE GET THAT DIRECTION FROM YOU. 
          UH, THOSE SIGN REGULATIONS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AFTER THAT, USUALLY ABOUT 60 DAYS, UH, BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          HOW LONG, UM, I KNOW YOU SAID THERE WAS ABOUT 22 MEETINGS, UM, BASICALLY OVER HOW LONG, COULD YOU REMIND ME? IT REMIND ME. 
          IT, IT, IT STARTED LAST YEAR, LAST SPRING. 
          OKAY. 
          APRIL. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE COMING UP ON A YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO, AND I KNOW THAT SOME RESIDENTS DON'T HAVE SOME CONCERNS. 
          HOW ARE WE WORKING TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS? UM, CONTINUOUSLY. 
          WELL, SOME OF THE CONCERNS ADDRESSED WERE THEY, THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW DIGITALS IN, UM, IN THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR KIND OF REVERTING BACK TO THE 2003. 
          UH, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WE CONTINUALLY HAVE WITH I THINK ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR GROUPS, WHETHER THEY'RE STAKEHOLDERS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, WHETHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE BUSINESS INDUSTRY. 
          UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD. 
          BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. 
          SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT AND WORK TO ESTABLISH THE, THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR. 
          AND SO SPECIFICALLY, HOW DID THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF APPROACH THE NEW MEASURES TO, TO RESPECT THE ORIGINAL GOALS THAT YOU MENTIONED FROM 2003? SURE. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT BECAUSE, UH, WHAT WE HEARD VERY EARLY ON, UH, WHEN THIS PROPOSAL CAME UP, THAT IT REALLY WASN'T JUST THE SIGN CODE CHANGE, RIGHT? IT WAS, IT WAS, WELL, HOW DO WE LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR? SO WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID WAS WE MODELED OUR ZONING PROCESS, WE NOTIFIED EVERYONE ALONG THAT CORRIDOR AND WITHIN 200 FEET, UH, THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS ON IT. 
          SO WE, WE TOOK THAT EXTRA STEP. 
          I MEAN, THE REST OF THE SIGN CODE COMMITTEE WAS MORE, UH, ESSAY SPEAKUP AND, UH, NOTIFICATIONS THROUGH OUR, UH, ELECTRONIC EMAIL PORTALS, ET CETERA. 
          BUT THAT ONE, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A ZONING CHANGE, IF YOU WILL, WE USED THAT PROCESS. 
          SO WE, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY WE SENT OUT OVER SEVEN. 
          YEAH, THERE WERE OVER 700 NOTICES MAILED OUT, JUST TO LET THEM KNOW WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE, I THINK, THE BEST WAY. 
          AND THAT CAME ACTUALLY FROM, UH, SOME OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, THAT YOU HEARD FROM. 
          AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION, UH, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET THAT WIDE NET. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, SHOW UP. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY, IF NOT, THEN WE'LL, UH, WE'LL HAVE THE MEETINGS AND TALK ABOUT, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE ENGAGED, OR, I KNOW YOU SENT OUT ABOUT 700, HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOWED UP, AND IS THERE STILL THE ABILITY TO, UM, ABILITY TO KEEP THOSE CONVERSATIONS GOING? WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS THE ABILITY TO KEEP THE CONVERSATIONS GOING. 
          SO I'LL ANSWER THAT ONE FIRST. 
          UH, I KNOW THE, UH, THE SECOND ONE THAT WAS HELD UP, UH, AT, UH, THERE WAS, UH, PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 30 
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PEOPLE TOTAL. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? THAT INCLUDED US. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE 10, NINE OR 10 PEOPLE SHOWED UP OUT OF THE 700 THAT WE, WE SENT OUT. 
          SO IT WASN'T THAT WELL ATTENDED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE, UM, FOUR PRINTED BILLBOARDS TO BE REMOVED FOR EVERY ONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, DIGITAL SIGN. 
          I, I FEEL THAT, AND, AND THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, THAT EIGHT DIGITAL STRUCTURES PER YEAR, I FEEL THAT THAT HELPS ELIMINATE CLUTTER. 
          UM, I TEACH ADVERTISING AND SO IN, IN RIO, THEY BANNED BILLBOARDS COMPLETELY. 
          RIGHT? AND SO, AND THIS WAS A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO PEOPLE HAVE TO GET CREATIVE ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO ADVERTISE. 
          AND SO, UM, SO, SO THANK YOU. 
          'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT A LOT OF IT, IT, IT DOES LOOK LIKE CLUTTER. 
          SO, SO, UM, WHOEVER WAS WORKING ON THAT SPECIFICALLY, I'M SURE THAT THEY DID RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER US CITIES ARE DOING. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO TRACK ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD INSTALLATIONS AND MAYBE REPORT BACK AS TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING UP. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T SEE IT ON A MAP, FOR INSTANCE, IT'S, UNLESS WE DRIVE OVER THERE, WE MIGHT MISS IT. 
          AND SO A LOT OF OUR, UH, OBVIOUSLY OUR NEIGHBORS LIVE IN THOSE AREAS, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ALREADY DO IT, BUT IF WE START SEEING MAYBE A MAJORITY, UM, GOING UP IN ONE AREA, I, I, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO REEVALUATE. 
          RIGHT? AND SO, UM, AGAIN, I I, I DON'T ALWAYS TRAVEL TO THE HILL COUNTRY, UH, OR THEIR AREA. 
          AND SO I, I, I LIKE THE INPUT THAT THE NEIGHBORS GIVE. 
          UM, I DO ALSO WANNA SAY THAT I LOVE THE PROPOSAL ON THE 40 HOURS PER YEAR FOR P S A. 
          IS THAT PER BILLBOARD? YES, THAT'D BE PER BILLBOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WONDERFUL. 
          SO DURING, UM, THE PANDEMIC, I REACHED OUT TO CLEAR CHANNEL. 
          I DO WANNA PUBLICLY THANK THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE PROMOTING OUR, UM, 2 1 0 2 0 7, UM, NUMBER FOR HEALTH, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , UH, LIKE ANYBODY THAT HAD ANY, ANY QUESTIONS. 
          AND SO THEY, THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT IT UP LIKE BY THE NEXT DAY PRETTY MUCH, RIGHT? AND SO I COULD SEE IT BEING HELPFUL FOR BUDGET INPUT OR FOR OTHER THINGS, RIGHT? SO I'D LOVE TO SEE WHAT THE STRATEGY IS THERE EVENTUALLY WITH C N E. 
          UM, I, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS FOR NOW. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL ASK MY COMMITTEE, MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ASK. 
          UM, BUT I DO ALSO, WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE, UH, LOOKING THROUGH, I DO, I AM INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING THAT ART AND ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY, PERHAPS NOT ONLY IN DOWNTOWN, BUT LOOKING AT AT IN OTHER AREAS AS WELL. 
          UM, I, I'VE SEEN, AND, AND THIS IS WEIRD BECAUSE IT ALSO KIND OF TALKS TO SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN CHECK LAST WEEK, RIGHT? AND SO, AND I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HERE, SO I'LL BE CAREFUL. 
          UM, BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ART AND LIGHTING, ET CETERA. 
          AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN SOME REVENUE, PERHAPS EVEN FOR OUR ARTS PROGRAM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT ARTS GETS FUNDED ENOUGH. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO, BUT I, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TO SAY ON THAT. 
          AND SO, DOES ANYBODY WANNA ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN? COURAGE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, I ALWAYS UNDERSTAND HOW A BUSINESS WANTS TO ADVERTISED ITSELF, AND I DON'T THINK ON-PREMISE SIGNS ARE, ARE A BIG PROBLEM, ALTHOUGH I DO UNDERSTAND THEY TEND TO KIND OF BE BRIGHTER SOMETIMES, UH, AT NIGHT WITH THEIR DIGITAL SIGNS. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE KIND OF KEEPING AN EYE ON. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO WHENEVER WE GET A COMPLAINT ON A SIGN THAT'S TOO BRIGHT, IT'S REALLY AN ON-PREMISE SIGN, AND THEN WE'LL GO OUT AND HAVE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION. 
          WE HAVE A WAY TO MEASURE THAT. 
          AND THEN IF IT'S IN VIOLATION, WE'LL LET ISSUE THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION FOR THEM TO FIX IT OR ISSUE A CITATION. 
          UM, BUT, BUT ARE THE ONES THAT WE WILL GET AND, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, NOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY ABOUT 800, UH, BILLBOARDS IN SAN ANTONIO, JUST, JUST UNDER 800, MAYBE CLOSER TO SEVEN 50. 
          HOW MANY OUT THERE IN THE COUNTY? HOW MANY IN THE COUNTY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THAT BROKEN UP. 
          I WOULD VENTURE TO GUESS AT LEAST 800. 
          I KNOW ALL OF THE SMALL, UH, MUNICIPALITIES ALLOW SIGNS. 
          I SEE 'EM, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERYWHERE I GO. 
          UM, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 
          HOW MANY IDENTIFIED STREETS THAT ARE CONSIDERED DANGEROUS, EITHER THROUGH VISION ZERO OR THROUGH A RECORD OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS? HOW MANY OF THOSE CORRIDORS ARE THERE? HOW MANY OF THE CORRIDORS THAT HAVE THE BA LIKE A BAN? IS THAT WHAT YOU, IS THAT WHAT THE QUESTION IS THAT, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH, UH, VISION ZERO AS DANGEROUS, OR BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ACCIDENTS, WE'VE KIND OF TARGETED THOSE AS DANGEROUS CORRIDORS. 
          I I, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. 
          I'D HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS. 
          WE COULD GET THAT DATA FOR YOU THOUGH, UH, TO PUT DIGITAL SIGNS ON THOSE AREAS. 
          THIS, RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PROVISION THAT WOULD NOT, THAT, THAT WOULD RESTRICT IT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER ORDINANCE ABOUT RAISING SIGN HEIGHT THAT EXISTS. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT ONE IS? 'CAUSE THERE'S A PROPOSAL FOR A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          WELL, IT'S NOT ABOUT RAISING SIGN HEIGHT. 
          WHAT I MEANT WAS, THERE WAS SOMETHING ALREADY IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS IF A NEW HIGHWAY IS BUILT, 
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AND THROUGH THAT, AN EXISTING BILLBOARD HAS TO BE RELOCATED. 
          I MEAN, MOVED BECAUSE THE STATE'S COMING THROUGH, AND I DON'T WANNA USE EMINENT DOMAIN, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE CONCEPT. 
          UH, BECAUSE REMEMBER DIGI, I'M, I'M SORRY, BILLBOARDS RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T DO ANY NEW ONES UNLESS YOU TAKE SOME DOWN AND RELOCATE IT TO ANOTHER ONE. 
          THERE'S A PROVISION IN OUR CODE ALREADY THAT ACKNOWLEDGES, HEY, IF THERE'S SOME GOVERNMENT ACTION, LIKE ONE OF THESE NEW HIGHWAYS COME IN, THAT CAN BE RE THAT CAN BE MOVED WITHOUT THE, THE NORMAL TWO TO ONE. 
          SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE THOUGH, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          NO, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          MY POINT WAS, I WAS JUST, YEAH, YEAH. 
          SAYING THIS GOVERNMENT ACTION ALLOWANCE, UH, BECAUSE OF THESE FLYOVERS IS OKAY, MAYBE SIMILAR. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW DID THE FIVE MISTAKES TAKE PLACE? FIVE MISTAKES IN THAT AREA. 
          SURE. 
          HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? WERE THEY ALL AT THE SAME TIME? NO, BUT THEY WERE FAIRLY QUICKLY, FAIRLY QUICK AFTER THE 2015 ORDINANCE. 
          AND AS LIKE, LIKE, I THINK WAS MENTIONED IN 2015 WHEN THIS WAS PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE, WE DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF HAVING OUR ZONING TEAM, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE FOCUSED ON THE GATEWAY CORRIDOR, REALLY TALK TO OUR ASSIGNED TEAM ABOUT, HEY, THERE'S A NEW RESTRICTION, UH, OVER HERE. 
          SO THEY WERE ISSUED, UH, FIVE IN ERROR. 
          AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE TODAY, AND WE'RE WAITING TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS PROCESS WILL LOOK LIKE IN ORDER TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE. 
          UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, IF, IF, IF THIS WERE TO PASS IN THE MANNER THAT WE PROPOSED, WHICH IS REVERTING BACK TO OH THREE, UM, UH, THEN, THEN THOSE WOULD BE FINE. 
          IF NOT, WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT MAKING THEM LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. 
          BUT DOING THAT, DOESN'T IT ALSO OPEN UP THE DOOR FOR MORE? OH, OF COURSE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. 
          SO CORRECT OUR MISTAKE BY ALLOWING MORE TO TAKE PLACE BY TAKING AWAY THE RESTRICTION WE PUT IN. 
          RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY WASN'T A LOT OF, UH, UH, PUBLIC OR STAKEHOLDER INPUT. 
          THE SIGN ASSOCIATION WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THAT PROPOSAL TO BAN THEM IN AN IMPORTANT DISTRICT. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY. 
          BUT, UM, I SEE YOUR POINT. 
          I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE LATER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU MIKE FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          Y'ALL HAVE BEEN BUSY THIS SPRING BREAK. 
          I HOPE Y'ALL GET SOME TIME OFF. 
          UM, I HAVE MORE. 
          DR COM. 
          DR. 
          , DR. 
          ROGER. 
          I SEE THAT HE'LL LET ME, I THINK YOU HAD A CHECK PRESENTATION AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT LAST, EARLIER THIS WEEK. 
          AND POINT BEING, UM, I, I HAVE MORE COMMENTS THAN QUESTIONS. 
          I, I SHARE SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE VISION ZERO CORRIDORS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A, A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IS THAT THERE'S ALREADY EXISTING, UH, CLUTTER WITHIN THESE, UH, CORRIDORS WITH A LOT OF DISTRACTION ALREADY. 
          UM, SO THAT IS A CONCERN I SHARE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, WITH THE, THE CULTURAL ZONE, WHAT I WOULD HOPE TO SEE, RIGHT, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE EXPLORED IS I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE WALKABILITY. 
          AND, AND TO THE POINT ABOUT ARTS AND LIGHTING IS GETTING FOLKS NOT OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, BUT ENCOURAGING FOLKS TO WALK INTO THE EXISTING BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALWAYS JUST CONCENTRATED DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, AND WE HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT I THINK, UM, WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UH, UH, ART THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, UM, OR ADVERTISEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED, BUT WHERE IT'S INCREASING WALKABILITY JUST OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH CONCENTRATION, AND MY SMALL BUSINESSES DON'T GET A NECESSARILY BENEFIT FROM THAT. 
          UM, BUT IF IT'S AROUND 35, UH, OR OUTSIDE OF 35, I THINK IT PREVENT PRESENTS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES RATHER THAN JUST THE FOLKS DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, BUT THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. 
          UH, I APPRECIATE YOU, MIKE, AND, UM, AND THE FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN COUNCILWOMAN CASTRO. 
          AS I LOOK AT THIS, I WONDER IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY STUDY DONE ON THE CORRELATION BETWEEN THE LIGHTED DISPLAY AND ANY EFFECT THAT IT HAS ON DRIVERS IN TERMS OF DISTRACTION. 
          IS THERE ANY STUDY LIKE THAT? DID Y'ALL LOOK AT ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, WE LOOKED AT SOME, BACK WHEN WE DID THE 2018 DIGITAL CONVERSION, ACTUALLY, WHEN WE DID THE 2008 INITIAL PILOT PROGRAM, UH, WE STUDIED FOR OVER A YEAR THOSE INITIAL, UH, LOCATIONS. 
          UH, AND THERE WAS NO INCREASE AT THOSE LOCATIONS OF TRAFFIC HAZARDS. 
          UH, SO IT'S, IT'S DEBATABLE WHAT'S OUT THERE. 
          UH, I THINK SOME OF IT IS, UH, IS IT THAT BILLBOARD OR IS IT, UH, ON YOUR, UH, CELL PHONE, UH, DISTRACTED DRIVING. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT WHAT'S OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK, UH, AS OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS IF WE THOUGHT THAT THESE DIGITAL CONVERSIONS, THESE DIGITAL BILLBOARDS, UH, WERE, WERE DANGER. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I DON'T, THEY DON'T BOTHER ME. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND LIKE THE OTHER COUNCILWOMEN, I'M INTERESTED IN THE DOWNTOWN 
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ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I DON'T SEE THAT. 
          IF WE LOOKED AT DOING THAT AND DID IT, THAT IT COULDN'T EXPAND OUTSIDE OF, UH, JUST THE DOWNTOWN, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU'D WANNA START WITH DOWNTOWN TO SEE HOW WELL THAT GOES. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD PURSUE THAT. 
          UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN CASTRO. 
          COUNCILMAN VRAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THIS HILL, LET'S START WITH THE HILL COUNTRY GATEWAY CORRIDOR. 
          THAT'S DISTRICT EIGHT AND TEN EIGHT EIGHT. 
          AND DID THE COUNCILMAN WEIGH IN ON THIS, OR HAVE Y'ALL PRESENTED IT TO HIM? I'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UH, SOME OF THE REPRESENTATIVES OF SIGN ASSOCIATES HAD SOME EARLY CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING, HE'S WAITING FOR THE PROCESS, UM, TO GO, I'LL GIVE HIM A FULL BRIEFING ON IT, UH, LIKELY BEFORE OR AT COUNCIL. 
          UH, BUT, UH, BUT HE JUST, HE DID TELL ME, LET LET IT GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND KIND OF SEE WHAT COMES OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS ON PREMISES, UH, SIGNAGE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THAT PROPOSAL WAS FOR ON-PREMISE, THE BUSINESS, UH, SIGNS ON, ON THE REASON I, I WANT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, IS I DO DRIVE THAT CORRIDOR, AND IT IS REALLY HARD TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING WHAT IS THERE AND WHERE TO TURN OFF TO. 
          UM, LIKE I, WE PA I'LL PASS IT AND I'M LIKE, OH, THERE, THERE'S THAT, AND THERE'S THIS. 
          AND YOU KIND OF DON'T KNOW WHEN TO EXIT OR WHEN TO, TO GET OFF FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PLACES. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD IF WE WANNA SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES, SUPPORT SOME OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE THAT KIND OF NEED THAT, UM, ON-PREMISES SIGNAGE. 
          SO, UH, I'M, I'M FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO, TO MOVE TO DIGITAL. 
          I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE FUTURE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO. 
          UH, BUT I DO WANT US TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE LIGHTING BECAUSE WHILE, WHILE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LIKE, THE LIGHTING IS TOO, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOO BRIGHT, I KNOW IN PARTS OF DISTRICT THREE, A DIGITAL SIGN WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONLY THING THAT'S LIGHTING, UM, THAT AREA. 
          AND, UM, PARTS OF OUR HIGHWAY, ESPECIALLY OVER BY 37. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, WOW, A DIGITAL SIGN OVER HERE MIGHT BE REALLY HELPFUL, UM, IF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING AT NIGHT AND COMING FROM CORPUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK I, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. 
          I APPRECIATE, UM, ALL THOSE THAT CAME AND, AND SPOKE, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE SHOULD MOVE IT FORWARD AND LET THE COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, REALLY WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          UH, IF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT. 
          THE, THE CORRIDOR MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND SO I, I DO WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CHAPTER 28, SIGNS AND BILLBOARDS ADOPTING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS RECOMMENDED BY THE BUILDING RELATED AND FIRE CODES APPEALS AND ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          AND THEN IN ADDITION, MICHAEL, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE WORKING ON GETTING MORE INFORMATION REGARDING THE DIGITAL ART SIGNS AND BRING A MORE FORMAL EXPLANATION. 
          AND THEN I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS THERE ARE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS, OR THERE ARE BUSINESS DISTRICTS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVE INTO, RATHER THAN JUST SAY, STRICTLY DOWNTOWN. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S MY MOTION CHAIR. 
          A SECOND. 
          THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE COUNCILMAN CURRY TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. 
          COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU. 
          UM, WHY DO WE HAVE A, A SUBCOMMITTEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PICKED BUT THEY CAN'T VOTE? YEAH. 
          SO OUR CURRENT CODE, UH, DICTATES THE MAKEUP OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES. 
          SO THE, THE BOARD THAT I DESCRIBED WITH THE LONG NAME, UM, IT, IT CAN CREATE SUBCOMMITTEES OF THEIR MEMBERS, BUT IT SPECIFICALLY DOES STATE AND HAS FOR I THINK, SINCE IT'S CREATION, ALLOWING OTHER PEOPLE TO BE THERE. 
          BUT IT DOES CALL THEM OUT AS NON-VOTING MEMBERS. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IN THE FUTURE LOOK TO, LOOK TO MODIFY IF WE WANT TO. 
          UM, BUT I WILL TELL, I WILL TELL YOU, AND THIS HAPPENED THROUGH THE, THE BUILDING CODE PROCESS AND THE, UH, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE. 
          UH, WE KNOW THAT ISSUE'S OUT THERE, BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE THERE, AND I THINK THEIR, THEIR, THEIR OPINIONS ARE HEARD AND BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. 
          SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK THEY, I DON'T THINK THEY WENT AGAINST THEM EVERY WAY, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS TODAY AND HOW IT'S WRITTEN. 
          UM, SO WE FOLLOW, WE FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE DESIGN AND PURPOSE OF BILLBOARDS IS TO ATTRACT EYEBALLS SO THAT PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THEM AND READ THEM. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE THERE. 
          THAT'S WHY, THAT'S HOW YOU SELL ADVERTISEMENT. 
          AND SO THE PURPOSE I THINK, OF THE DIGITAL ONES IS TO EVEN ATTRACT MORE ATTENTION AND PUT IN MORE ADS. 
          AND SO I, I CONSIDER IT PERSONALLY, I JUST THINK THEY'RE INHERENTLY 
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DANGEROUS. 
          THAT'S WHY I SAID, UH, WHAT ABOUT THESE CORRIDORS WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING KILLED, OR WE HAVE CAR ACCIDENTS. 
          UH, DO WE NEED MORE, UH, MORE ATTRACTION OF THEIR EYES OFF THE ROAD THERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE? UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, IT'S ALL ABOUT BUSINESSES, LIKE THE SIGN COMPANIES MAKING MORE MONEY. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. 
          AND WE'VE GOT NEWSPAPERS THAT THEY COULD ADVERTISE IN. 
          THEY'RE DAILY, THEY'RE WEEKLY. 
          THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, REGIONALLY, UH, THERE'S A HALF A DOZEN TELEVISION STATIONS IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. 
          THERE'S CABLE TV, THERE'S STREAMING, THERE'S DOZENS OF RADIO STATIONS. 
          THERE'S HUGE OPPORTUNITY ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 
          SO WHY DO WE NEED TO DO MORE ABOUT THE VISUAL ATTRACTION TO DRIVERS BY DIGITAL ADVERTISING? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT. 
          SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REPORT ON WHAT STREETS ARE IN NEED OF MORE PROTECTION, UH, FOR DRIVERS BECAUSE OF ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS. 
          SO THAT IF THE COUNCIL IN ITS WISDOM DECIDES TO PASS THIS, THEY AT LEAST KNOW TO EXCLUDE CERTAIN AREAS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE IN THE COUNTY. 
          'CAUSE IF WE'VE GOT 800 AND WE PUT IN 24 OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS AND ELIMINATE A HUNDRED OF THE OTHERS, DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S STILL 500 OR A THOUSAND MORE AROUND THE COUNTY? AND I, I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR LIMITS ARE. 
          WELL, WE'LL GET YOU COUNCILMAN ON THAT LAST POINT IN THE COUNTY. 
          JUST A CLARIFICATION, WE, WE WILL GET YOU THE, THE DATA FOR SPECIFICALLY IN THE E T J, BUT THAT, THAT NUMBER OF JUST OVER SEVEN 50, THE SEVEN 50 TOTAL DOES INCLUDE THE E T J AS WELL AS CITY LIMITS, BECAUSE THE SIGN CODE IS APPLICABLE IN THE E T J. 
          BUT IT, WE'LL, WE'LL PARCEL THAT OUT FROM THE, THE E T J DATA. 
          I'M NOT SURE. 
          UH, TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL THE CITIES, THE, THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE SIGNS, HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF THE PICTURE OF HOW MANY SURE. 
          DISTRACTIONS THERE ARE ON THE ROADS. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. 
          COURAGE. 
          I, I DO THINK THAT, UM, BOTH COUNCILMAN COURAGE AND, AND COUNCILMAN SANDOVAL, UH, RAISED GOOD, GOOD POINTS, RIGHT. 
          ABOUT, UM, DISTRACTIONS. 
          AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FOR US, BUT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES TO HAVE IT WHEN, WHEN, BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNCIL MIKE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO I THINK THAT COUNCILMAN COURAGE RAISED A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE VOTING, UM, THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON SOME BOARDS. 
          AND SO, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW IT GETS ADDRESSED OR, OR WHAT, I GUESS, UM, ANGELA, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT IN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMMITTEE IT WOULD GO TO. 
          UM, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE COUNCILMAN COURAGE IS, UH, IS READY TO WRITE A C C R. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL SIGN RIGHT UP FOR IT, COUNCILMAN, IF YOU'RE UP FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I, I THINK THAT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO TAKE, UM, OR HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT HAPPENED IN ANOTHER COMMITTEE AS WELL, SO I KEEP HEARING THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR TIME WITH US. 
          THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH US, AND THEN THEY DON'T GET TO VOTE ON IT. 
          I, I, I FEEL LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT FEEL RESPECTED. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, I THINK IT, IT REALLY HIGHLIGHTED, I THINK THIS, THIS PAST CYCLE, UH, INCLUDING LAST YEAR. 
          SO, UH, I'LL WORK WITH ROD. 
          WE, MAYBE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS, UH, ON, ON HOW WE CAN, UH, KIND OF MIRROR MAYBE, UH, THE U D C, THE UD C'S, UH, PTAC, UH, HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SET UP WHERE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE. 
          SO, UH, WE'LL PUT SOME OPTIONS TOGETHER, UM, AND REPORT BACK TO YOU GUYS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M SORRY, I SAID COUNCILWOMAN SANDAL. 
          COUNCILWOMAN CUSTER . 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS, UH, WITH NO OTHER DIS IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THE VOTE? ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? I'M OPPOSED. 
          ANY ABSTENTIONS? MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, MIKE. 
          ITEM NUMBER THREE IS BRIEFING AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM IN RESPONSE TO, UM, CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. 
          BY, BY, UH, COUNCILMAN COURAGE AND MYSELF, YOUR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          GOOD, GOOD MORNING. 
          UM, TODAY WE, I, I'M GONNA FIRST PROVIDE A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM, JUST KIND OF AS A REMINDER OF WHAT'S IN PLACE CURRENTLY, AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME OF OUR EXISTING INITIATIVES AND NEW INITIATIVES AS A RESULT OF THE C C R, AND THEN TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL EXPANSION RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO, UM, THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM WAS CREATED IN 2014 BY CITY COUNCIL AND WENT INTO EFFECT WITH AN 18 MONTH PILOT PROGRAM THAT STARTED JANUARY 1ST, 2015. 
          AND THAT PILOT PROGRAM INCLUDED THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS, AND THEN A HALF MILE BUFFER 
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AROUND ACTIVE MILITARY BASES. 
          UM, IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS CREATED BY VACANCY AND HELP PROPERTY OWNERS BRING, UM, THOSE PROPERTIES BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE. 
          AND JUST AS A, AS ANOTHER REMINDER, THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM DOES APPLY ONLY TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE 100% VACANT. 
          SO IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE, UM, OFFICE, FOR EXAMPLE, OR RETAIL SPACE, AND ONE OF THEM IS FULL AND THE REST IS VACANT, THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE. 
          UM, IN 2016, CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM, AND THAT WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY OF 2017, AND ALSO TO MAKE THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM PERMANENT. 
          AND SO THAT EXPANDED IT TO ABOUT 128 SQUARE MILES OF THE CITY. 
          UM, THIS IS A MAP OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM AREA. 
          UM, IT IS A, AGAIN, HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARK CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE ORIGINAL HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND ACTIVE MILITARY BASES. 
          AND THEN, UM, MILITARY BASED AUTHORITIES, PORT S A AND BROOKS. 
          AND THEN, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS WERE ADDED AND CITY INITIATED TSS DISTRICTS, UM, IN ADDITION TO A HALF MILE BUFFER AROUND THE PROGRAM AREAS. 
          AND THAT HELPED TO ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF FRINGE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OFTEN PROBLEMS IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          UM, SO THE PROGRAM HAS THREE CASE MANAGERS THAT SEE THAT OVERSEE KIND OF GEOGRAPHIC AREAS THAT ARE ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT IN TERMS OF CASELOAD. 
          AND THEN IT IS MANAGED BY KATHY RODRIGUEZ, WHO IS DEPUTY HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER, WHO'S ALSO HERE TODAY. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS CHART, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTIES ARE RESIDENTIAL, AND APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF THE CURRENT INVENTORY ARE COMMERCIAL. 
          AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE OVERALL NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN THE INVENTORY TENDS TO STAY FAIRLY CONSISTENT, IT'S NOT THE SAME PROPERTIES, OBVIOUSLY, PROPERTIES TURN OVER, NEW PROPERTIES BECOME VACANT AND ARE IDENTIFIED. 
          AND SO IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME, THE SAME PROPERTIES. 
          UM, WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OVER A THOUSAND PROPERTIES, REALLY MORE LIKE 1200 PROPERTIES THAT ARE, HAVE AT ONE TIME BEEN SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE AND ARE NO LONGER SUBJECT TO THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY ARE OCCUPIED, THEY'VE BEEN SOLD OR LEASED. 
          OR IN THE CASE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, IT MAY BE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARD OF CARE, UM, BUT THEY COULD STILL BE VACANT. 
          SO ONLY, ONLY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT DON'T MEET THAT STANDARD OF CARE ARE SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU MOVE AND YOU HAVE A, YOUR REPAIRED, FULLY REPAIRED HOUSE ON THE MARKET AND IT'S VACANT, THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, SO SINCE THE C C R, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSELY WITH SEVERAL PARTNER DEPARTMENTS TO COORDINATE EFFORTS RELATED TO VACANT PROPERTIES. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE IS TIED SPECIFICALLY TO BUILDINGS, BUT WE KNOW THAT VACANT LOTS CAN BE A BIG CHALLENGE IN YOUR DISTRICTS AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, BRINGING THAT INTO THE FOLD AS PART OF THIS OVERALL INITIATIVE IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH MIKE SHANNON AND HIS TEAM FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, UH, VERONICA GARCIA AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DEPARTMENT TEAM, AND BRENDA HICK SORENSON AND HER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN BETTER COLLABORATE AND PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR THESE VACANT BUILDING OWNERS. 
          UM, SO AS A RESULT OF THE, OF THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, WE'VE ALREADY INITIATED A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS. 
          ONE IS A COMMITMENT TO HOLD, UM, AT LEAST QUARTERLY PROPERTY OWNER ASSISTANCE EVENTS, UM, TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO CITY RESOURCES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, OTHER KIND OF RELEVANT EXPERTISE. 
          UM, THE FIRST OF THOSE QUARTERLY EVENTS WILL BE HELD IN APRIL AND WILL INVOLVE ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I MENTIONED. 
          UM, HISTORICALLY, O H P HAS MAINTAINED A LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE ON OUR WEBSITE. 
          AND, BUT, BUT IT'S PRETTY BASIC INFORMATION, JUST KIND OF THE ADDRESS AND THE OWNER AND PRETTY SIMPLE INFORMATION. 
          AND SO AS PART OF, OF THE SUGGESTIONS RAISED IN THE C C R, WE'RE WORKING WITH I T S D AND THE PARTNER DEPARTMENTS TO DEVELOP A MORE ROBUST VACANCY DASHBOARD THAT WOULD INCLUDE VACANT BUILDINGS AND, UM, VACANT LOTS, AND INCLUDE INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT EITHER TO HELP PROPERTY OWNERS UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH OR TO HELP, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT. 
          SO WE WILL INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PHOTOGRAPHS AND WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS AND OWNERSHIP INFORMATION AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, COUNCILWOMAN ROCHA GARCIA TALKED TO US, UH, A LOT ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF VACANT LOTS AND ILLEGAL DUMPING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          AND SO 
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WE WILL ALSO BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THAT INFORMATION AND KIND OF ABATEMENT HISTORY AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROBLEM. 
          UM, WE ALSO WILL CONVENE A NEW VACANT PROPERTY TASK FORCE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO VACANCY. 
          UM, WE WILL WORK, WE'RE COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH EACH COUNCIL OFFICE TO IDENTIFY MEMBERS OF THAT TASK FORCE AND ALSO TO ENSURE THAT WE, UM, WE BRING IN THE NECESSARY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE TITLE ISSUES AND OTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES. 
          AND WE ALSO WILL HA WILL ASK THAT THIS TASK FORCE TO WEIGH IN ON EACH OF THE PHASES OF EXPANSION. 
          UM, THANKS TO A SUGGESTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN GRO. 
          WE ALSO ARE COMMITTED TO DOING AN ASSESSMENT OF CURRENT ZONING AS PROPERTIES ARE ADDED TO THE INVENTORY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING ALIGNS, ALIGNS WITH CURRENT PLANS FOR THE AREA, AND THEN TO, UM, PROPOSE ANY, ANY REMEDIES TO THAT ISSUE IF, IF WE IDENTIFY THEM. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT THE TIMING OF THIS POTENTIAL EXPANSION TO THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM ALIGNS WITH THE PROBLEM ORIENTED PLACE-BASED STRATEGY THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED AND, AND LED BY S A P D TO LOOK AT CRIME REDUCTION. 
          AND WE KNOW THAT VACANT BUILDINGS, UM, CAN BE AN, AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE AND SOMETIMES, UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS WHY THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED TO BEGIN WITH, IS TO REALLY DEAL WITH SAFETY CONCERNS THAT VACANCY CAN BRING. 
          AND SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO WORKING THROUGH THAT SS A P D PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE FIRST PHASE OF EXPANSION CAPTURES THOSE PROBLEM-ORIENTED, PLACE-BASED, UM, AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          SO, UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE C C R, THAT WE WOULD INITIATE A PHASED EXPANSION, THAT IT WOULD OCCUR THROUGH THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS EACH YEAR SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE APPROPRIATE STAFFING IMPLICATIONS. 
          UM, THE FIRST PHASE OF PHASE OF EXPANSION WOULD HAPPEN AS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES TIED TO THIS PROBLEM-ORIENTED, PLACE-BASED, UM, PROCESS LED BY SS A P D. 
          UM, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HEARD FROM, UH, COUNCILWOMAN CASTILLO'S OFFICE IS TO LOOK AT A BUFFER AROUND SCHOOLS, WHICH WE THINK IS A REALLY FANTASTIC IDEA. 
          AND SO I THINK THE FIRST PHASE OF EXPANSION WE STAFF WAS PROPOSING WOULD INCLUDE A, A BUFFER AROUND SCHOOLS AS WELL. 
          UM, WE ALSO HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM COUNCILMAN COURAGE THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS EXPANSION STRATEGY TO EXPAND OUT OVER TOO MANY YEARS. 
          AND SO WE WOULD LOOK AT A, A SHORT TERM SOLUTION TO, TO ACHIEVING CITYWIDE EXPANSION OF THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, SO IF YOU ALL CAN CONCUR WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES TO DEVELOP A SPECIFIC, UM, EXPANSION RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND WE WOULD COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL COUNCIL. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. 
          I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, SHANNON, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU, UM, AND COUNCILMAN COURAGE AND I TEAMED UP ON THE C C R AND WE WANTED TO ADDRESS A FEW ISSUES. 
          AND THE FIRST WAS, UM, THE INCREASED NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR CITY, RIGHT? SO IF WE REGISTER ALL THE VACANT BUILDINGS AND LOTS IN THE CITY, THEN WE CAN KIND OF HELP WITH THAT, UM, AND IDENTIFY SOME AREAS THAT ARE READY FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO AS WE WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND LAND TRUST AT THE CITY AND AT SA UH, HOUSING TRUST, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE LOCATIONS AND THESE PROPERTIES. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU, UH, HAVE ADDED, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE VACANT LOTS. 
          UM, I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CALL A PROPERTY OWNER MYSELF WHEN I SEE THE TELEPHONE NUMBER. 
          AND SO, UM, CAN YOU HELP ME WALK THROUGH THE PROCESS ONCE A PROPERTY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL LO UH, LOCATION FOR THE PROGRAM? SURE. 
          SO THROUGH, FOR THE, FOR A VACANT, FOR THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE, THE, THE ONUS IS REALLY ON US TO DOCUMENT THAT THE PROPERTY IS VACANT BEFORE IT'S FULLY SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO ONCE IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, WHETHER THROUGH SURVEY OR THROUGH COMMUNITY REPORT, UM, THEN WE GO OUT AND DO AN EXPEC INSPECTION, AND THEN WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND DOCUMENT THAT IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR AT LEAST 30 DAYS. 
          AND THEN THEY DO HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME, UM, BEFORE THEY HAVE TO REGISTER, THEY HAVE 90 DAYS THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE BEFORE THEY REGISTER. 
          BUT ONCE THEY DO REGISTER, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, OF COURSE, OWNERSHIP INFORMATION AND THE, THAT WHO'S THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND, UM, UH, SIGN A NO TRESPASS AFFIDAVIT, WHICH IS HELPFUL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND THEN, UM, AND THEN COME DEVELOP A PLAN TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARD OF CARE IF THEY AREN'T ALREADY. 
          UM, AND THE STANDARD OF CARE IS, IS BASICALLY, 
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UM, YOU WANT THE PROPERTY TO LOOK LIKE IT'S NOT VACANT LIKE IT COULD BE LEASED. 
          SO EVERYTHING'S IN GOOD REPAIR ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          UM, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO ANYTHING ON THE INTERIOR. 
          AND FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF VACANT LOTS, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          BUT, UM, WE WILL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH D S D AS THOSE PROPERTIES COME IN FOR HIGH WEEDS OR DUMPING OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THAT INFORMATION AND MONITORING THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SHE, AND I THINK THAT A, A VACANT LOT OR BUILDING TASK FORCE WOULD BE GOOD TO, TO EXPAND, RIGHT? AND THEN TO INFORM THE PROGRAM REALLY. 
          UM, I THINK DEFINITELY ADDING REPRESENTATIVES FROM B C A, UH, WOULD BE IMPORTANT OR THE TEXT ASSESSORS, UM, OFFICE. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE DOESN'T RESPOND OR IF MAYBE BCAT DOESN'T HAVE OWNER INFORMATION, WHAT DO WE DO AT THAT POINT? SO WE, UM, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH, UH, WITH D S D ACTUALLY IN THE CITY, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WHEN WE HAVE CHALLENGES IDENTIFYING OWNERS. 
          BUT TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WORK THROUGH THE, THE, OUR UTILITY PARTNERS, WHETHER IT'S SAWS OR UM, C P S TO IDENTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE CHALLENGING OF COURSE, BUT USUALLY BY EXHAUSTING ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES, WE CAN IDENTIFY AN OWNER AND, AND ULTIMATELY IF AN OWNER CHOOSES TO NOT COME INTO COMPLIANCE OR NOT REGISTER, THEN, THEN EVENTUALLY WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN FILE, UM, CASES IN MUNICIPAL COURT AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM FROM THE OUTSET WAS NOT REALLY TO BE, UM, A, A STICK, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE CARROTS THAN THE STICKS, I THINK IS A SIMPLE WAY TO SAY IT. 
          LIKE WE ALWAYS WANTED IT TO, WANTED THE, THE PROGRAM TO REALLY HELP BRING THOSE PROPERTIES BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE. 
          AND WE'D MUCH RATHER THE PROPERTY OWNER SPEND MONEY IMPROVING THE PROPERTY THAN PAYING FINES OR MUNICIPAL COURT FEES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND SO WE TRY TO AVOID THAT PATH WHEN POSSIBLE, BUT SOMETIMES OWNERS ARE JUST UNRESPONSIVE AND THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION THAT WAS LEFT. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK IF THERE'S FINES ASSOCIATED, UM, WITH BEING, EVEN BEING ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM. 
          SO, SO THERE IS A FEE, UM, AND IT'S BASED ON WHETHER YOU'RE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN, AN INSPECTION FEE, BUT IT'S FAIRLY MINIMAL BECAUSE AGAIN, IT, IT WASN'T REALLY THE INTENT TO TRY TO, WE'D RATHER THEM, WE RATHER THEY USE THEIR RESOURCES TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY. 
          GOT IT. 
          WELL, WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF VACANT LOTS IN, IN DISTRICT FOUR, AND I FEEL LIKE I'M ALWAYS CALLING SOLID WASTE OR CODE AND, AND LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT DUMPING, RIGHT? SO I FEEL THAT IF WE POST, UM, LEAN INFORMATION, THAT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL AS WELL. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT EVENTUALLY WE NEED TO ADD MORE, UM, RULES, MAYBE LIKE FENCING, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IN, IN MY DISTRICT, WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DUMPING, LIKE LITERALLY YOU COULD TAKE A VIDEO. 
          AND SO I, MY STAFF HAS STARTED TAKING VIDEO, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S HOW LONG, IT'S NOT JUST A PICTURE, LIKE YOU COULD LITERALLY DRIVE AND THAT'S HOW, HOW LONG THE DUMPING IS. 
          AND, AND WE HAD A LOT OF, I THINK, GOOD FEEDBACK FROM SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT AND WITH THEIR, UM, THEIR, UH, HOTSHOT CREW, RIGHT? THAT IS, THAT IS GOING OUT. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THEIR WORK. 
          UM, BUT ALSO IN THE FORM OF, SO WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, UM, MY FIRST TERM, SO, UH, ALMOST FOR, I GUESS IT WAS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, I WAS WORKING WITH STATE REPRESENTATIVE AT THE TIME, LEO PACHECO, TO SEE IF WE COULD EXPAND THE BUFFER AROUND SCHOOL ZONES. 
          AND IT WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY BECAUSE WITHIN THE DUMPING THERE, THERE WAS ALSO, UM, UH, ACTIVITY THAT WAS GOING ON, BUT THERE WAS YOUTH SYRINGES AND KIDS WOULD WALK THROUGH. 
          IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          SO I'M GLAD THAT COUNCILMAN CASTILLO, UM, HAS BROUGHT UP THE, THE BUFFER AROUND THE SCHOOL ZONE SPECIFICALLY. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE AN EXTRA EFFORT IN TAKING CARE OF OUR KIDS. 
          UM, AND THEN I AM STILL A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROBLEM ORIENTED PLACE-BASED STRATEGY. 
          I, I, I GUESS I NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I'M GONNA LET MY MY COLLEAGUES ASK THEIR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, AND MAYBE THAT'LL HELP ME. 
          I'LL START WITH COUNCILMAN COURAGE BECAUSE HE WAS THE CO-AUTHOR. 
          AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCILMAN CASTILLO. 
          COUNCILMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          I, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN SOME GOOD INPUT FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I THINK ARE EVEN ADDING MORE TO WHAT WE WERE ASKING ABOUT. 
          SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          UM, AND I WAS GLAD TO HEAR YOU MENTION, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR YOU MENTION IT EARLY ON ABOUT NO TRESPASS THAT WE, UH, ASK THEM TO GO AHEAD AND SIGN ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO GO AHEAD AND, AND PROVIDE MORE PROTECTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THERE. 
          SO THAT WAS A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I MENTIONED TO YOU WAS, YES, I DIDN'T WANNA SEE US TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM. 
          NOW, IT VERY WELL MAY BE THAT IT TAKES MORE THAN TWO TO GET TO AS MUCH OF THE CITY AS WE FEEL NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS. 
          BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY, UH, A ROUGH OUTLINE OF THE AREA THAT 
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YOU WOULD SAY WOULD BE THE FIRST PHASE OF INCLUSION IN THIS. 
          UM, AND I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MERIT TO THIS. 
          ONE THING I WANTED TO ASK THOUGH IS, WILL WE TAKE THE INITIATIVE WHEN WE IDENTIFY THESE PROPERTIES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY NEED WORK, THEY'RE HABITABLE, BUT MAYBE THEY, THEY'RE NOT IN THE BEST SHAPE. 
          WILL WE TRY AND RECOMMEND TO THAT OWNER THAT THEY GET INTO OUR PROGRAM FOR REHAB AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? YES. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE IDEAS BEHIND THE QUARTERLY, UH, RESOURCE EVENTS FOR HOMEOWNERS, IS REALLY TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THEM TO, UM, PROGRAMS IN ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP THEM WITH VARIOUS ASPECTS OF REDEVELOPING THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          YEAH. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE US REALLY TARGET THOSE MAYBE NEW PEOPLE THAT, THAT WE DISCOVER OR THAT GET INTO THE PROGRAM AND, AND ALMOST MAKE IT, UH, A REQUIREMENT THAT EITHER IN PERSON OR ONLINE, THEY ATTEND ONE OF THOSE KINDS OF SESSIONS SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP THEM IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BENEFIT FROM IT. 
          OF COURSE, THEN THE WHOLE CITY BENEFITS FROM THAT. 
          SURE. 
          SO THOSE ARE REALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, COURAGE. 
          COUNCILMAN MAN. 
          CASTILLO, THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU, UH, SHANNON FOR THE PRESENTATION AND TO COUNCILMAN COURAGE AND, UH, DR. 
          OJA GARCIA FOR THIS VERY THOUGHTFUL POLICY. 
          UM, DEFINITELY VACANT LOTS AND VACANT STRUCTURES ARE, UM, SOME CONCERNS THAT MY CONSTITUENTS, UH, CONTINUALLY BRING UP TO ME. 
          AND I'M PLEASED TO SEE THAT IT'S BEING RECOMMENDED OR CONSIDERED TO EXPAND AROUND SCHOOLS. 
          UM, BECAUSE I, I, UM, MY, UH, ZONING AND PLANNING DIRECTOR CREATED A MAP OF THE CURRENT VACANT BUILDINGS PROGRAM, AND IT WOULD LEAVE A GOOD CHUNK OF MY DISTRICT OUT. 
          UH, AND WE GET CALLS AT LEAST TWO TIMES A DAY ABOUT CONCERNS ABOUT VACANT LOTS AND STRUCTURES. 
          SO, AND, AND THE, THE PRIMARY CONCERN, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ALWAYS JUST THE WORRY ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOL FOR SURE. 
          UM, SO PLEASED TO SEE THAT THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED. 
          UM, ONE THING THAT I DO HAVE A, A BIT OF CONCERN, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO OPPORTUNITY IS WITH THE VACANT A VACANCY DASHBOARD, RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY POTENTIALLY PROVIDE, UM, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WHAT I SEE IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT IT TO THE STRATEGIC HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, UH, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH DISCUSS AND RECOMMENDS COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AND LAND BANKING. 
          UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, UH, PRESENTING THE DASHBOARD SO FOLKS CAN ACTIVATE IT, BUT LIKELY IT WON'T BE FOR AFFORDABILITY OR FOR, UM, THE, THE, THE RATE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS A CITY WITH THE SHIP. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IF WE KEEP THAT DASHBOARD INTERNALLY TO WORK WITH THE HOUSING TRUST, UM, AND N H S D, THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE, INCLUDING, UM, THE TAX ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, AS THE COUNCILWOMAN MENTIONED, UH, AND THE COUNTY TO TRANSFER THOSE VACANT LOTS TO A, A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST OR A LAND BANK TO PRODUCE THAT, THAT AFFORDABILITY THAT, UM, WE'D LIKE TO SEE. 
          UM, SO THAT'S ONE HESITATION AND RIGHT, JUST ULTIMATELY HOW IT LEAVES OPPORTUNITY TO BE MISUSED. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, WELL, AND I I PROBABLY DIDN'T EXPLAIN THE DASHBOARD VERY WELL BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS, AND TYING IT TO THE SHIP AND TO THOSE IMPORTANT INITIATIVES IS EXACTLY WHAT WE IMAGINED. 
          SO THAT WAS PARTLY JUST MY FAULT FOR NOT EXPLAINING IT WELL ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          NOT, NOT A PROBLEM. 
          AND, AND, UM, ANOTHER PIECE IS THAT, UH, THE, THE DART PROGRAM ALREADY EXISTS, RIGHT? AND IT'S A, UH, AS FOLKS KNOW, IT INVOLVES, UH, N H S D, UH, D H D, UH, CONNECTING FOLKS WITH SERVICES AND THEN, UH, O H P AS WELL. 
          UM, SO CAN WE POTENTIALLY USE THE SAME MODEL, UH, AROUND THE SCHOOLS TO CREATE THE PRO, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SAME THING, THE PRO PROBLEM ORIENTED, PLACE-BASED STRATEGY. 
          IS THAT WHERE, UH, PD COMES IN? UH, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, SO THE THINKING IS THAT OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE MAJOR, UM, REASONS WHY THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE WAS CREATED INITIALLY IS TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE, UM, THE CRIME AND SAFETY CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH VACANT PROPERTIES. 
          AND SO, UM, ALIGNING LIKE, NOT, NOT EXCLUSIVELY, BUT WORKING THROUGH THAT PROBLEM ORIENTED, PLACE-BASED, UM, STRATEGY THAT'S HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE A LOT OF VACANCY ARE CAPTURED IN THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE I'M JUST, I KNOW THE DART PROGRAM EXISTS MM-HMM. 
          , UH, I MEET MONTHLY WITH OUR SAFE OFFICERS, AND THE MAJORITY OF THE CONCERNS, AGAIN, ARE ACTIVITY AROUND, UH, VACANT STRUCTURES AND THEN VACANT LOTS ONCE IT GOES THROUGH THE B S B PROCESS. 
          RIGHT? SO, UH, ONCE THE HOME'S DEMOLISHED, IT'S VACANT, THERE'S ILLEGAL DUMPING FOLKS CREATE THEIR OWN SHELTER, AND THEN WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE WITH THE, THE, THE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          YES. 
          UM, SO JUST A, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT'S KEY IS CONNECTING IT TO THE SHIP AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE IT INTO PRODUCTIVE, UH, A, A PRODUCTIVE PARCEL, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          , WHETHER IT'S FOR COMMERCIAL 
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OR FOR HOUSING. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS AND, AND, UM, PLEASED TO SEE THAT THERE IS THE INTEREST IN CONNECTING IT TO THE SHIP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN , AND FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN GUSTER. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, SHANNON. 
          UH, THANK YOU FOR BRIEFING ME ON THIS. 
          I, I DO WANNA, AGAIN, I'M GLAD WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE ZONING. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF THE PROBLEM ORIENTED PLACES, AND I'VE TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE, I HAVE NEIGHBORS IN MOST OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT CAN POINT YOU IN DIRECTIONS OF WHERE THEY ARE, SEEING PEOPLE BREAK INTO VACANT BUILDINGS, UM, USE VACANT LOTS TO DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS DEPENDING ON THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, DUMP TRASH, ONE OF 'EM, UM, START FIRES, WHICH WE KNOW HAS BEEN A PROBLEM. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, THAT IS PROB THAT IS WHY I'D LIKE TO SEE IT CONNECTED TO THAT, THAT PROBLEM ORIENTED IN THE POLICING AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOVING WITH, UM, WITH THE HOTSPOTS AND TRYING TO, TO DETER PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT. 
          SO, UH, MY DISTRICT IS, IS READY TO, UM, TO MOVE ON THIS AND TO, AND TO BE HELPFUL WITH THIS. 
          I THINK THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO DO, WHICH WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, IS LOOK AT WHO ARE THESE PROPERTY OWNERS? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE NOT IN TEXAS OR ARE NOT IN SAN ANTONIO THAT ARE HOLDING ON TO PROPERTIES, BUT NOT REALLY, UM, TAKING THE CARE THAT THEY SHOULD. 
          AND THE OTHER THING I'M GONNA WORK ON IS MAKING SURE WHEN PEOPLE GET, UM, TICKETED THAT, UM, THAT THE JUDGES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED BY THIS. 
          BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THE PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN FROM OUT OF TOWN, SELLS THIS SAD STORY TO THE JUDGE, AND THEN THE JUDGE IS LIKE, OH, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU CLEAN IT UP. 
          AND THEY, THEY MAYBE CLEAN HALF OF IT UP, AND THEN WE'RE BACK AT THE, AT THE SAME SITUATION. 
          AND IT'S MORE WORK FOR CODE, MORE WORK FOR THE NEIGHBORS. 
          SO I, I LOOK FORWARD TO KIND OF ADDRESSING THAT AND TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LANDLORDS ANYMORE THAT WE, WE WANT THEM TO BE, UM, THOUGHTFUL FOR, FOR, UM, WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          AND I WAS IN THE PEARL AREA THIS WEEKEND AND SAW VACANT HOMES, AND, AND I WAS LIKE, IT MADE ME SAD BECAUSE SOME OF THESE WERE HISTORIC HOMES, AND I WAS LIKE, LOOK AT THAT BRICKWORK. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE LOVED THEM. 
          BUT THEN PART OF ME WAS LIKE, WHY, WHY AREN'T THEY MOVING ON THIS? WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR? SURE. 
          AND IT, IT JUST, IT, UM, IT'S HAPPENING CITYWIDE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. 
          UM, DO WE NEED A MOTION OR DOES SOMEONE MAKE THE MOTION ALREADY? NO, THEY HAVEN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          AT THIS POINT IT'S YES. 
          OH, NO ACTION NEEDED. 
          I WAS JUST BRIEFING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO YES, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING A MORE SPECIFIC PLAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN  AND COUNCILMAN CASTRO, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMAN CASTILLO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          WE HAVE A PROPERTY, COUPLE OF PROPERTIES OWNED BY A GUY FROM NEW YORK, UM, WHO'S RIGHT NEXT TO AN ELDERLY PROPERTY. 
          AND THEY'RE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE HOMELESS FOLKS GO INTO THE CAR WASH, WHAT WAS A CAR WASH NEXT TO A HAMBURGER PLACE, AND THEY'RE CAUSING PROBLEMS WITH THE RESIDENTS NOW. 
          WE CALLED NEW YORK AND HE HAS SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S REGISTERED, UM, BUT HE HAS SAID HE'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM. 
          BUT GOING TO THESE MEETINGS, WATCHING THIS, SEVERAL QUESTIONS COME TO MIND, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THESE ISSUES, I THINK YOU SHOULD INCLUDE THE DISTRICT STAFF, AND SURE. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PROBABLY FEEDING YOU THE INFORMATION, BUT DEFINITELY THEY SEE THIS BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE DOES, I THINK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, AND THE SECOND THING IS, AS I SEE THESE TWO PROPERTIES, I WONDER WHAT DOES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DO? DO THEY HAVE A LIST THAT THEY CAN PRESENT TO PEOPLE AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S A HAMBURGER PLACE IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO HAMBURGERS, WHAT DOES ECONOMIC, WHAT ROLE DOES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAY TO REALLY MOVE THESE VACANT PROPERTIES TO GIVE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO MAY WANT TO DO SOMETHING THERE? YEAH. 
          AND THAT, THAT IS, THAT'S A GREAT POINT. 
          AND, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ADDRESSES SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE CAN FOLLOW UP. 
          AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR OFFICE FOR THAT, UM, THOSE DETAILS. 
          BUT MORE BROADLY, UM, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART THAT I THINK, UM, CAN OF THIS BROADER COLLABORATION IS BRINGING IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE CAN CONNECT, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH THE RESOURCES THAT E D D BRINGS TO THE TABLE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE NEW INITIATIVES 
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IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, I THINK WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL IN, IN PUTTING SOME OF THESE VACANT BUILDINGS BACK INTO PRODUCTIVE USE. 
          AND SO THAT'LL BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THOSE, OF THE QUARTERLY MEETING THAT WE, THAT WE BEGIN IN APRIL, UM, WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. 
          I JUST THINK THERE'S MUCH FOR THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY. 
          UM, WE WERE TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO HOW WE CAN MAKE THESE OWNERS DO SOMETHING, AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT ON THE LAW THAT WE CAN USE. 
          UM, AND ALSO I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DO TIE IT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER FOLKS. 
          UM, WHAT ROLE DO YOU PLAY, IF ANY, IN THE CITY'S DEMOLITION OF PEOPLE'S PROPER OF THEIR HOMES? UM, WELL, SO, SO IF THE CITY INITIATES A DEMOLITION, IT'S REALLY THROUGH THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD PROCESS, WHICH IS MANAGED BY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          MIKE'S STILL HERE. 
          IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, UM, WE, WE DO PARTICIPATE. 
          THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION PARTICIPATES IN THAT ANYTIME A PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED BY, UM, MIKE'S DANGEROUS PREMISE TEAM THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH THAT, THAT PROCESS, WE ARE NOTIFIED AND WE PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S HISTORIC. 
          UM, WE NOTIFY THE COUNCIL OFFICE AND, UM, A COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS. 
          WE HAVE A, A DEMOLITION, UM, LIKE KIND OF NOTIF CASE NOTIFICATION THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR. 
          AND SO WE REALLY WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE THAT PROPERTIES MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO CITY ORDER DEMOLITION IF, IF SOME OTHER SOLUTION DOESN'T, UM, WHO'S IN CHARGE? YOU'RE PROVIDING RESOURCES FOR THOSE PEOPLE. 
          WELL, IT'S REALLY A CO A COMBINATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA JUMP IN, MIKE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A COMBINATION OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSING SERVICES, UM, HUMAN SERVICE, YOU KNOW, LIKE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS COME INTO PLAY, BUT DO YOU WANNA RESPOND TO THAT? SURE. 
          UH, SO IF A, IF A PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, THERE'S NO, UH, MEANS OR METHODS FOR A VACANT OR EVEN AN OCCUPIED, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT WE WILL WORK WITH, MOSTLY OUR N H S D DEPARTMENT, NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES. 
          MOST OF THE FUNDING THE CITY APPROVED FUNDING, UH, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS GONE TO THEM. 
          SO WE WORK WITH VERONICA CASTRO, UM, AND, AND TRY TO FIND AND CONNECT THOSE, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH, UH, THOSE TYPE OF RESOURCES, WHETHER IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED REHAB, UH, AND A FEW, UH, YOU KNOW, UNDER ONE ROOF PROGRAMS, ET CETERA. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE A DEMO DEMOLITION DIVERSION PROGRAM THAT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT'S STILL ONGOING. 
          UH, SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE CODE OF THE CODE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN, IN, IN MY, UH, MY DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH N H S D, AND THEN CERTAINLY ANYTHING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE A, A DEMOLITION, UH, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET FIXED. 
          AND DEMOLITION IS ALWAYS THE LAST RESORT, UH, SHANNON AND HER TEAM ARE, ARE INVOLVED, WHETHER IT'S A HISTORIC PROPERTY OR NOT, BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF ON THE LOOKOUT FOR ANY POTENTIALLY HISTORIC. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN ONES, CERTAINLY WORKING WITH MARK CARMONA, UH, AS THE HOUSING OFFICER AS WELL. 
          SO, UH, BE HAPPY TO GIVE YOU A MORE DETAILED BRIEFING AS WELL. 
          BUT THAT'S KIND A, LIKE A HIGH LEVEL. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS, UH, THAT, THAT MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER AS DEPARTMENTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, YEAH, I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED BY THE FACT THAT WE DEMOLISHED SO MANY HOUSES OF ELDERLY PEOPLE AND ELDERLY DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO PUT INTO THEIR HOMES, UH, TO FIX THEM ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND I'M HOPING THAT WE ARE DEDICATING SOME RESOURCES TO HELPING FOLKS THE WAY WE DEDICATE RESOURCES TO HELPING BUSINESSES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , DEFINITELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK VERONICA WANTS TO ADD, HI. 
          YEAH, I'LL ADD TO THAT. 
          I'M VERONICA GARCIA, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOUSING SERVICES DIRECTOR. 
          UM, THIS YEAR WE ARE ALSO HIRING TWO FAMILY, UH, SENIOR FAMILY SUPPORT WORKERS. 
          WE BASICALLY HAVE A SOCIAL WORKER BACKGROUND, AND THEY'LL BE WORKING MORE CLOSELY AS, UM, INDIVIDUALS ARE FACED WITH POTENTIAL DEMOLITION ORDERS AND GIVING THEM MORE, UM, SERVICES ON WHAT OTHER, UM, LIKE THEY, LIKE BOTH SHANNON AND MIKE WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR REHAB PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, UM, WHAT RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TO THEM, MAYBE CONNECTING WITH NONPROFITS. 
          SO IT'LL BE, UM, IT'S A NEW SERVICE. 
          IT'S TWO FULL-TIME CITY EMPLOYEES WITH THAT SOCIAL SERVICE BACKGROUND, UM, THAT WE, UM, HIRED ONE ALREADY ONE MORE IN PROGRESS. 
          SO THEY'LL BE HELPING ADD ONTO THE SERVICES OF OUR TEAMS THAT ARE ALREADY GOING OUT THERE. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE DO SEE THAT ESPECIALLY, UM, WITH OLDER ADULTS, JUST TRYING TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES. 
          UH, WE DO THAT TODAY ALREADY, IS PROVIDE THEM WITH THE INFORMATION, BUT IT CAN BE, UH, VERY OVERWHELMING AND THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING, UM, AT THAT TIME WHEN SOMEONE GOES IN WITH, UH, CODE AND, AND THERE'S LOTS OF TRAUMA THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED TO THE FAMILY OR THE INDIVIDUAL. 
          UM, SO WE'RE BRINGING ON THOSE TWO STAFF PERSONS WHO WILL HAVE THAT MORE SPECIALIZED BACKGROUND THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT HELP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, VERONICA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN CASTRO. 
          COUNCILMAN 
          [01:25:01]
CASTILLO, THEN COUNCILMAN RIDGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I, I, I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE RIGHT, THE, THE DASHBOARD AND THE CONCERN THAT, JUST SIMILAR TO THE SAS DATA, HOW IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE MISUSED AND, UH, POSSIBLY BY LLCS. 
          MANY OF THE VACANT PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE ARE OWNED BY LLCS, WHICH ARE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET AHOLD OF, RIGHT. 
          AND CREATING A DASHBOARD WHERE LLCS CAN JUST PURCHASE AND THEN CONTINUE TO SPECULATE. 
          AND THEN AGAIN, RIGHT. 
          JUST, WE STILL HAVE THE VACANT LOT TILL THE TIME'S. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOR THEM, UM, FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE SS A P D PROBLEM ORIENTED, PLACE-BASED POLICING STRATEGY, IS THAT THE U T S A STUDY? WELL, IT'S THE WORK THAT'S HAPPENING AS A RESULT OF THAT STUDY. 
          SO WORKING THE WORKING GROUP THAT'S GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE KIND OF HOTSPOT AREAS AND THEN IDENTIFY THE, THE LARGER PROBLEM, LIKE PLACE-BASED STRATEGY AREAS AND WHAT ARE THE VIOLENT CRIMES THAT ARE OCCURRING THAT, UH, IS 'CAUSE THE U T S A STUDY IS TO ADDRESS VIOLENT CRIME. 
          CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE VIOLENT CRIME AND HOW IT RUNS PARALLEL TO THIS? I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, VACANCIES, UH, AND DRUG USE, BUT WHERE'S THE VIOLENT CRIME? YEAH, I MEAN, THE, THE IDEA BEHIND, UM, WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS PART OF THE EXPANSION IS REALLY ANY TYPE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, NOT NECESSARILY JUST VIOLENT CRIME, BUT WORKING, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES IN THOSE SAME AREAS, THERE ARE VACANCY ISSUES, IS WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM, FROM DIFFERENT, UM, PEOPLE. 
          AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD JUST USE THAT, UM, DATA TO FACTOR IN TO WHERE, UM, VACANCY MAY BE CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 
          AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST ABOUT THAT INITIATIVE, BUT WE WOULD BE UTILIZING, UM, LIKE KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL FIRST PHASE OF EXPANSION IN ADDITION TO LIKE THE SCHOOL BUFFERS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST PHASE OF EXPANSION OF THE U T S A VIOLENT CRIME STUDY. 
          NO, THE FIRST PHASE OF EXPANSION OF THE VACANT BUILDING PROGRAM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO, TO UNDERSTAND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THE, AS PART OF THE SS A P D PROBLEM ORIENTED, PLACE-BASED POLICING STRATEGY. 
          UH, WHICH DOCUMENT WOULD, ARE Y'ALL SIDING WITH THAT? WELL, IT, IT, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T EXIST YET. 
          THERE. 
          AS A RESULT OF THAT STUDY, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT WE, THEY WOULD BEGIN WORKING THROUGH IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS. 
          AND SO WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT WE WOULD, YOU, WE WOULD TAKE THOSE AREAS TO FACTOR INTO THE FIRST PHASE OF EXPANSION, UM, WHERE, WHERE VACANT PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN GARCIA. 
          COUNCILMAN, COURAGE. 
          SO I PRESUME WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PHASES OF EXPANSION AND EVERYTHING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR DEPARTMENT TAKING INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND USING THAT AS, AS A WAY OF EXPANDING WHERE, WHERE THESE AREAS ARE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          AND, AND THE TASK FORCE THAT, THAT WE MENTIONED AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          NOW WHAT HAPPENS IF, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY REPORTS A PIECE OF PROPERTY FROM OUTSIDE OF ANY OF THE EARLY PHASE? UH, WILL YOU STILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION? WILL YOU STILL CONTACT THAT OWNER AND, AND TRY AND PURSUE THEM BECOMING PART OF THE PROGRAM? OH, FOR SURE. 
          EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN PHASE ONE, I MEAN, DEFINITELY WE WOULD WORK WITH, UM, RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS. 
          YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY CITYWIDE, THERE ARE STILL CODE REQUIREMENTS, UM, THE MINIMUM PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT APPLY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE VACANT BUILDING ORDINANCE. 
          AND SO, UM, IF A PROPERTY WAS, WAS IDENTIFIED OUTSIDE OF THE INITIAL EXPANSION AREA, WE WOULD STILL WORK TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. 
          YEAH. 
          PART OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN A LOT OF DISTRICTS IS ABANDONED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WHERE THE HOMELESS ARE HANGING OUT OR THEY'RE CAMPING OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO NO MATTER WHERE THAT MAY OCCUR, IF IT GETS REPORTED, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND FIND OUT WHO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, MAKE SURE THEY'VE GOT A NON TRESPASS AGREEMENT WITH US, AND OFFER ANY HELP WE CAN TO THEM, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT IN PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COUNCILMAN COURAGE. 
          AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. 
          THIS WAS A BRIEFING, SO WE GET TO STILL ASK UM, SHANNON A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS TODAY. 
          I'M SURE YOU'LL FOLLOW UP WITH US. 
          UM, AND WITH THAT, THE MEANING OF THE PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE COMES TO AN END AT 1129. 
          WE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU.
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