Apr 05, 2023 Historic and Design Review Commission

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM.

THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO APPRECIATES THE CREATIVE AND NON-DESTRUCTIVE SOLUTIONS PROPOSED TO UPDATE THE HVAC SYSTEMS IN THE LOBBY TO BUILDINGS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CARES ACT.

WE SUPPORT THE O H P STAFF STIPULATIONS AND HOPE A CONSISTENT LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THESE NEW UNITS WILL BE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT APPROPRIATE CLIMATE CONTROL MINIMIZES MOISTURE DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURES IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN.

THE ADDRESS IS FIVE 15 CLUB DRIVE, H D R C CASE 2 0 2 2 DASH 5 0 5.

MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO.

I'M CHAIR OF MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE M P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.

WE SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS CASE WITH THEIR STIPULATIONS.

WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY IN CONSTRUCTING THIS NEW HOME AND BEING RESPECTFUL OF OUR COMMENTS AND OUR CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE RISEN THUS FAR AND ADDRESSING THEM IN THEIR DESIGN AND HOW THEY ARE IMPLEMENTING THEIR DESIGN.

WE DO, HOWEVER, HAVE A CAUTION FOR H D R C AND FUTURE APPLICATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTIONS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

ONE OF YOUR STIPULATIONS ASKED THAT THE PROPERTY NOT EXCEED INTO THE FRONT YARD OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

UM, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED THE PROPER DEPTH DIMENSION FOR THEIR LOT, HOWEVER, INCORRECTLY REPRESENTED THE SETBACK OF THE ADJACENT LOTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY, WHICH NOW RESULTED IN A NEW BUILDING, NEW HOME BEING BUILT ESSENTIALLY INTO THE FRONT YARD OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ON BOTH SIDES.

WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WISH YOU A GREAT DAY.

THOSE ARE ALL THE VOICEMAILS, COMMISSIONERS.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS ALSO IN YOUR PACKETS, UH, FOR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO PULL ANY, UH, CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS, UH, PRESENTED BY STAFF SECOND WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

DO WE HAVE

[CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations. ]

UH, YES, WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

I JUST, UH, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT I'D RATHER USE, UH, WHICH IS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.

JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT.

THE, THE, THE, THE CONSENT AGENDA SAYS THAT ITEMS ARE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WHEN STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT AGREES TO.

SO MY MOTION, UM, WOULD BE TO, TO ALSO, UM, INCORPORATE THAT INTO, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE A CONSENT AGENDA THAT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION.

A SECOND.

WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

YOURE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 3 21 CLUB NINE 18 NORTH PINE, UH, LATA, H V A C WORK 40 0 2 ROOSEVELT 600 HEMISPHERE THREE 12 RIDDLE AND FIVE 15 CLUB.

YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF.

YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

AGENDA

[INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION ]

ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

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ITEM EIGHT ON THE AGENDA.

H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 76 1 0 3 EAST ATCH, SORRY, , SORRY.

TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY, APRON, DRIVEWAY, AND APRON FROM 16 FEET TO 26 FEET AND EXPAND THE CURB.

CUT 10 FEET TO ACCOMMODATE, MODIFY A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR AN ADDITION TO THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE TO INCLUDE A THIRD GARAGE DOOR.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, EXPANDING THE DRIVEWAY APRON FROM SO SORRY GUYS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, EXPANDING THE DRIVEWAY AND APRON FROM 16 FEET TO 26 FEET AND EXPANDING THE CURB CUT TO ACCOMMODATE BASED ON FINDING.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, MODIFICATION OF A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN FOR AN ADDITION TO THE REAR DETACHED GARAGE TO INCLUDE A THIRD GARAGE DOOR BASED ON FINDING D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT NOT BE ALTERED TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW GARAGE DOOR, OR THAT DRIVABLE PAVERS BE INTRODUCED IN FRONT OF THE THIRD BAY IN LIEU OF SOLID CONCRETE.

UM, THERE'S ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER FOR REVIEW AND WE HAVE THE OWNER JOSEPH COTTON JOINING US VIA WEBEX.

I APOLOGIZE.

I THOUGHT HE WAS HERE.

MR. COTTON, I'M MAKING YOU A PANELIST.

NO NEED TO UNMUTE MR. COTTON, ARE YOU THERE? MAKE SURE YOU HAVE UNMUTED.

HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU MR. COTTON, YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UH, MAKE ANY STATEMENT THAT YOU WISH TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION OR YOU CAN JUST FIELD QUESTIONS FROM THEM, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER.

WELL, WE ARE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND, UM, AS YOU HAD STATED EARLIER, WE ARE IN NEED TO ADD A THIRD BAY, UH, TO THE EXISTING GARAGE BUILDING.

WE ARE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE APPROACH SHOULD LOOK LIKE, SO THERE'S NO ISSUE THERE.

BUT WE DO NEED THAT THIRD BAY.

IT WILL ALLOW US TO CREATE THE DEPTH NECESSARY TO PARK A FULL-SIZE VEHICLE INSIDE THE GARAGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE NOW.

AND THAT PARTICULAR VEHICLE IS INTENDED TO, UH, PROVIDE THE TRANSPORTATION FOR A HANDICAPPED INDIVIDUAL IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, SIR.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

OH, ONE MOMENT.

WE DO HAVE, NOW WE HAVE A LETTER.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS.

NO VOICEMAILS.

ON THE DESIGN? UH, WELL, MY, MY OPINION WOULD, WOULD BE MORE, WOULD BE LESS IMPORTANT WITH RESPECT TO AN ACCESSIBILITY SOLUTION THAN A DESIGN SOLUTION ALONE.

THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET, UH, QUESTION.

YES, COMMISSIONER.

OKAY, SIR.

SIR, THE TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU, UH, ONE, UH, ONE IS, UM, DO, DO YOU CONSIDER THIS PROJECT AN ACCESSIBILITY PROJECT? LIKE IN TERMS OF AADA A THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT.

MR. COTTON, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S ASKING, I'M HERE.

I I CAN HEAR THE QUESTION, BUT I, UH, I'M, I CONSIDER THIS THE ADDITION OF A GARAGE DOOR TO AN EXISTING SINGLE LEVEL BUILDING WHERE THE SPACE IS ALREADY AVAILABLE BEHIND, UH, THE POINT OF ENTRY WHERE THE DOOR WOULD BE INSTALLED SO THAT WE CAN INSTALL A VEHICLE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE A HANDICAPPED INDIVIDUAL IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

CURRENTLY, THE GARAGE DEPTH ONLY ALLOWS FOR TWO VEHICLES AND IS NOT DEEP ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE VEHICLE THAT WE NEED.

SO I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD, HOW YOU'RE COINING THAT, BUT CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

UH, I I APPRECIATE IT.

SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS HEARING IS, IS PRIMARILY HAPPENING TO DISCUSS DESIGN.

SO IS THAT, IS YOUR QUESTION FOCUSED

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SO IF IT'S A DESIGN SOLUTION ALONE THAN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS CRITICAL AS AN ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE, WHICH IS PROVIDING EQUAL ACCESS TO INDIVIDUALS IN THE HOUSEHOLD.

IT MIGHT, UH, BE UNABLE TO AFFORD THEMSELVES THE SAME, UH, UH, ACCESSIBLE RIGHTS AS PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD WHO DO NOT HAVE, UH, ISSUES WITH ACCESSIBILITY.

UH, SO, BUT, UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

I, I YOUR ANSWER AND I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES, THANK YOU.

UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE THREE OF 'EM.

UM, WHAT HAPPENS TO, LET'S SEE, WHAT IS THE DESIGN FOR THAT DRIVEWAY CONDITION? THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T SHOW HOW THAT, UH, RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THE DRIVE CUT IS, WILL BE ALTERED.

WILL IT BE SEPARATED FROM THE ALLEY? WILL IT BE SEPARATED WITH A CURB? WILL THERE BE A PLANTING BUFFER, ET CETERA? WHAT IS THE INTENDED DESIGN FOR THAT CURB CUT MR. COTTON, DO YOU HAVE A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT WOULD SHOW THE NEW WIDER, UH, APPROACH OR A CURB CUT? MR. COTTON, CAN YOU HEAR US? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, BUT I SEE YOU'RE UNMUTED.

MR. COTTON, CAN YOU HEAR US? JUST LIKE THAT HE DISAPPEARED, MR. CHAIR, WE CAN, WE CAN PROCEED HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE.

WELL, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE AUDIO FROM THE APPLICANT.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.

UM, MAY I PROPOSE THAT WE, UM, MOMENTARILY TABLE THIS UNTIL THE, UH, APPLICANT CAN, UH, IMPROVE HIS, HIS AUDIO CONNECTION AND THEN WE CAN MR. COTTON, CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING, MR. MR. CHAIR, IF, IF I MIGHT, IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, FROM THE BRIEF PRESENTATION THAT THE APPLICANT MADE.

UH, IT, IT SEEMS THAT, THAT IT IS AN ACCESSIBLE ISSUE THAT AN ISSUE OF ACCESSIBILITY, THAT IT ISN'T THE WIDTH, WHICH IS PRIMARILY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS, UH, ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

'CAUSE THERE'S TWO OTHER GARAGE DOORS THERE.

BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY RIGHT, THAT, THAT HE NEEDS A PARTICULAR LENGTH, NOT, NOT THE WIDTH.

IF, IF, IF THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT SATISFIES THAT LENGTH, THEN I, I, I, I FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S NEED AND THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION IS IN LINE WITH, WITH, UM, UH, THE APPROPRIATE FACADE DESIGN COMMISSION.

WE NEED TO PAUSE.

WE LIKE I I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE

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NOT RECEIVING ANY AUDIO THROUGH THE WEBEX, SO HE CAN'T HEAR US.

I DON'T KNOW WHY HE HASN'T ASKED WHERE WE ARE, BUT, UM, WE NEED SOMETHING WE WERE DOING OVER HERE MUST HAVE MESSED UP THE, THE FEED.

SO WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT BEFORE WE KEEP GOING.

THEN WE WILL POSTPONE THIS UNTIL WE GET, I I'M SAYING WE NEED TO POSTPONE EVERYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THE LIVE STREAM IS GETTING AUDIO RIGHT NOW.

SO WE WILL GO OFFLINE UNTIL THIS IS FIXED.

AND, BUT SIR, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE THOUGH, RIGHT? SO WE COME BACK, WE HAVE A MOTION.

I THINK WE SHOULD REMAKE THE MOTION WHEN WE RETURN, IF THAT'S THE DESIRE, BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT ON THE RECORD.

I GOT YOU.

I SOUND IS IS BREAKING UP A BIT, SO I REALLY CAN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CURB CUTS OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF CURB CUTS, PAVERS, CONCRETE ASPHALT, ALL THOSE THINGS.

OUR, OUR PRIMARY, OUR PRIMARY NEED IS JUST RELATED TO, UM, THE, THE GARAGE DOOR ITSELF.

MY CONCERN IS WHAT THAT DELINEATION BETWEEN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE, YOUR DRIVEWAY, WHAT THAT IS.

AND SO WITHOUT A DESIGN IN THE PACKAGE, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO DETERMINE HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO I'M ASSUMING BY LOOKING AT THE STREET ELEVATION THAT THERE WILL BE A TREE THAT WILL BE REMOVED.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO THERE'S A CEDAR TREE NOW THAT IS, UH, GOING TO BE REMOVED EITHER BY THE CITY.

I THINK IT'S BY THE CITY.

IT'S BEEN HIT A NUMBER OF TIMES BY, UH, TRASH TRUCK SHOULD SERVICE VEHICLES.

SO I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH THE TREE OKAY.

ITSELF.

AND MY THIRD QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY REGARDING THE RELOCATION OF THE STOP WARNING SIGN THAT IS NEAR OR ADJACENT TO YOUR CURRENT DRIVEWAY? UH, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU WELL ENOUGH.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO A, A SIGN THAT THE CITY RECENTLY ESTABLISHED, UH, INDICATING THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER STOP SIGN THAT'S YES.

FURTHER UP ON MAIN STREET.

UH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY INSTALLED THAT BECAUSE A TREE HAD TO BE REMOVED ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, UH, THAT SITS BEHIND US.

ALRIGHT.

HAVE YOU VISITED WITH, HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE CITY ABOUT RELOCATING THAT SIGN TO ALLOW YOU A DRIVEWAY CUT IN THAT LOCATION? UH, I'M SORRY.

I, I JUST COULDN'T, I CAN'T HEAR YOU WELL ENOUGH.

HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THIS? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT.

HADN'T BEEN SET FOR, UH, VEHICLES THAT HAVE THREE AND FOUR GARAGE BAYS.

UH, WE SHARED SOME PHOTOS WITH THE CITY WHEN THIS HEARING WAS SET UP A FEW WEEKS AGO, UH, SHOWING MULTIPLE SITES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE, UH, SIMILAR, UM, UH, BUILDINGS ARE DEVELOPED IN THAT WAY.

UH, SPECIFICALLY BUILDINGS THAT SIT, UH, RIGHT, UH, ON, ON TOP OF, UH, OF AN ALLEY.

UM, THANK YOU MR. COTTON.

THAT'S, UM, THE END OF MY QUESTIONS.

OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GIBBS? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

MR. COTTON, I HAVE A, UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UM, THE, UM, NV V M V H A, THE, UM, MONTE VISTA HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION.

UM, AND I'LL LIST THOSE HERE IN CASE YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF SMALL ROOF SETBACK AND ROOF OVERHANG ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR APPEARS TO EXTEND BEYOND A PROPERTY LINE LOCATION AND SIZING OF WINDOWS ON WEST ELEVATION SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED FOR CONSISTENCY.

PROPOSED GARAGE ADDITION DOES NOT MEET CURRENT SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD SETBACKS.

SECOND STORY MASS DOES NOT HAVE A STEP BACK FROM THE ORIGINAL FIRST STORY STRUCTURE AND ROOF FORMS NEED DEVELOPMENT TILE ROOF OVER A SECOND FOUR WALKWAY CREATES AWKWARD TERMINATION AT WEST FACADE.

WITH WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED WITH THE SECOND FLOOR OR THE OVERHANG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

, UM, HAVE YOU, UM, ADDRESSED ANY OF THESE, SIR? OR ARE YOU AWARE OF THESE, OR WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? YEAH, I, I'M SORRY.

I, I I CAN'T, I REALLY CAN'T HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

THERE WAS SOUNDS LIKE SOME COMMENTARY AND SOME DISCUSSIONS AND MAY BE A, A QUESTION.

BUT THE DESIGN ITSELF, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT, IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

UM, IT IS, IT IS SIMPLY JUST THE ADDITION OF THE GARAGE DOOR ON, ON THAT CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES ASSOCIATED

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WE ARE EXTREMELY, UM, UH, FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF DESIGN.

UM, AGAIN, OUR REQUEST IS TO, UM, INSTALL THE GARAGE DOOR SO THAT WE CAN ENTER THAT GARAGE AND, AND PUT IN A LARGER VEHICLE TO ACCOMMODATE A HANDICAPPED, UH, HOUSEHOLD MEMBER.

AND SO IF WITH REGARD TO ANY DESIGN ISSUES OR CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE COLOR OF THE DOOR OR AN OVERHANG OR WHERE A CURB IS PLACED OR NOT, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE.

UM, AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT CITY STAFF RECOMMENDS.

THANK YOU MR. KANER.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ? YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE, UM, APPLICANT AS SUBMITTED WITH STIPULATION THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COORDINATE COLORS AND DOOR TYPE WITH STAFF SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, UM, , WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING, WORKING WITH STAFF FOR THE CURB CUT AND, UH, PAVING MATERIAL? YE YES, SIR.

SO, AND, AND LET'S ADD, UM, WORKING WITH STAFF TO COORDINATE CURB REQ, UH, LESS, UH, CURB CUT AS REQUIRED, IT AS REQUIRED, AND, UM, SURFACE MATERIAL MATERIAL.

SECOND STANCE.

DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, ON THIS CASE, I, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK THAT CONTEXT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO RESIDENTIAL FRONTAGES DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

I FEEL LIKE A THREE CAR DRIVE WIDTH IS INAPPROPRIATE.

THERE WERE DRIVEWAYS ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE USE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET WAS ONE ABOUT ACCESS AND CIRCULATION.

UM, I COULD SEE AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS CASE, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS WITH THEIR FRONT YARDS, FRONT DOORS DIRECTLY ACROSS ON THE DRIVEWAY.

SO, UM, WE DON'T SEE THIS SITUATION ELSEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.

SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.

OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BAKER, MR. CHAIR.

UH, AS I LOOK AT THIS, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ADDING, I GUESS I, I'M IN, UM, AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THUS FAR, UM, IT, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH ADDING A THIRD GR A THIRD GARAGE DOOR.

AND IT IS, APPEARS CLEAR TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT IS VERY WILLING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL THE HISTORIC, UH, GUIDELINES.

AND, AND SO I HAVE NO CONCERNS THERE.

BUT FROM AN ENGINEER'S PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I LOOK AT THE ORIENTATION OF THIS GARAGE AND, UH, IT'S ONLY 20 FEET DEEP, A STANDARD GARAGE, IF YOU WERE TO BUY A NEW HOUSE RIGHT NOW, IT'D BE 24 FEET DEEP AND 20 FEET WIDE, TYPICALLY FOR A TWO CAR GARAGE.

AND, UM, THIS DOESN'T, THIS DESIGN DOESN'T GIVE YOU THAT AND I, IT IT'S PROBABLY NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, UH, WHETHER THE, WHETHER THE, THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS ACCESS IS GONNA BE THE DRIVER OR THE PASSENGER, BUT ADDING THE, A THIRD BAY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE WITH A SOLID WALL, UM, UM, AND ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT GARAGE IS WHERE, UH, THE PROPOSED SPIRAL STAIRCASE COMES IN.

I'M NOT SURE THAT IT PROVIDES THE, THE DIMENSIONS, UM, FOR, FOR ACCESS ON THAT LEFT SIDE.

AND, AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD EVER NEED A THIRD, UH, A WIDENED DRIVEWAY TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THE GARAGE IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR OR HOW, HOW THE, THE, THE VEHICLE THAT THAT WOULD BE CARRYING THE, THE PASSENGER WITH ACCESS OR THE DRIVER WITH ACCESS.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW THAT'S HOW THIS DESIGN IS GOING TO SOLVE THAT AND THEREFORE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS A WIDENED DRIVEWAY.

THANKS.

UH, RECOMMENDATIONS SECOND.

OTHER COMMENTS? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

GS NAYYY,

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RENO NAY VELASQUEZ AYE.

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 7 0 3 0 6 BELKNAP PLACE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY EDITION ON TOP OF AN EXISTING EDITION TO THE EXISTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE ON SITE.

THE LOT ADDRESSED AS 3 0 6 BELKNAP PLACE WAS ONCE PART OF THE PROPERTY ADDRESSED AS 300 WEST FRENCH PLACE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED SHE ROOF TO FEATURE A HIP ROOF CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY ON SITE.

AND THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDINGS E N F TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL ROOFING MATERIALS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING G THREE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WINDOWS THAT FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND EXAMPLES FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT AND THAT ALL WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE ADOPTED POLICY, UH, FOR WINDOWS AND FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSED RAILING AND COL, THAT THE PROPOSED THAT DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED RAILING AND COLUMNS BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL IS NOTED IN FINDINGS K AND L.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE IN PERSON.

YES SIR.

IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.

HI, MY NAME IS ROBERT ZEAL AND I AM AT LIVE AT 3 0 6 BELK MAP PLACE.

IT'S MY HOUSE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WE'RE PROPOSING THIS ADDITION ABOVE A GARAGE THAT WAS, IS ATTACHED BY A WALL TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT IT WAS BUILT IN 1960 OR AROUND THERE.

AND THE ADDITION IS JUST A, A ROOM THAT'S HALF THE LENGTH OF THE GARAGE OR APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE LESS.

AND WE AGREE WITH ALL THAT STUFF EXCEPT THE ROOF PART IS A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT, THE ROOF IS DESIGNED THE WAY IT WAS TO PREVENT ADDITIONAL WATERSHED TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE REAR OF THAT ADDITION.

BUT IT IS CONSISTENT TO THE ANGLE AND EVERYTHING OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

AND WE'RE ALSO WILLING TO REPLACE THE STRUCTURE ROOF WITH TILE.

THAT WOULD ALSO MATCH WHAT'S ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE RIGHT NOW.

GREEN CURVED TILE.

UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, SO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, THE WINDOW PROFILES, RIGHT? AND DETAILS, YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.

ALL THAT STUFF MATCHES THE STRUCTURE COMPLETELY.

AND THE, UH, ADDITIONAL FENCING AND GRATES OR WHATNOT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TWICE TO THE COMMITTEE.

AND I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE PICTURES, BUT THEY'RE ORNAMENTAL.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH EXTRA LEFTOVER FROM OTHER PROJECTS AND STUFF TO REPLACE WHATEVER WE NEED FOR THE STAIRWAY TO MATCH THAT SAME STYLE.

UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO.

SO THE, IT'S RIGHT ON THE LINE.

UH, MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE SITE PLAN.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT ONE SIDE OF THAT BUILDING THE GARAGE AS IT'S, AS IT'S EXISTING IS SITTING ON THE PROPERTY LINE? IS IT A ZERO LOT LINE ON ONE SIDE? WELL, IF IT ISN'T ZERO, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

, LIKE LESS THAN A LESS SHOW.

PROBABLY SIX INCHES ISH.

THE LOT LINE TO THE REAR COMMISSIONER SAVINO.

THERE'S A, AN APPROXIMATE, UM, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THAT IT MAYBE GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER IDEA.

THIS IS APPROXIMATE, HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T A SURVEY, SO,

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THIS IS MY OTHER, THIS CONTRACTOR WHO'S HELPING WITH THIS PROJECT.

SO THAT RED LINE TO THE, THE BOTTOM RED LINE RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU, YOU'RE POINTING IS RIGHT ON THE LOT LINE.

THE BUILDING IS ON THE LOT LINE OR SAY LESS THAN A FOOT FROM THE LOT LINE, RIGHT? YES.

THEY CARVED THAT OUT FROM, WELL, I GUESS AT ONE POINT THE OWNER OF THE BELK MAP OR THE FRENCH PLACE MANSION HAD THE WHOLE PROPERTY, BUT THEY KIND OF MANAGED TO SHOVE EVERYTHING IN THERE.

SURE.

OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GROUP? CAN I JUST GET A CLARIFICATION? SO BASED ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THE ONLY THING WOULD BE THE ROOF, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU EXPLAINED THE ROOF, RIGHT? I DON'T, WE'RE WORRIED, WE'RE WORRIED WE DON'T WANT TO SHED TOO MUCH WATER ONTO OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE REAR OF THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT ROOF LINE IS THAT WAY AND NOT, UH, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY ITEM, RIGHT? OKAY.

THAT'D BE THE ONLY THING THAT WE'D RATHER NOT MODIFY FOR FEAR THAT WE'D CAUSE PROBLEMS. MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

YES MA'AM.

UM, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NOT EXCEED FOUR FEET IN WIDTH AND IS FULLY CONCRETE TO BEING KEEPING WITH THE EXISTING FRONT WALKWAYS AND THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY VICINITY THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT AND THAT THEY INSTALL AND THAT THEY SUBMIT MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOORS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.

THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US.

UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE REALIZED WAS HAPPENING IS THIS ROOM IS SET UP TO WHERE THE ROOM AUDIO, SO WHEN WE SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONES, GETS PIPED OUT TO THE, UM, THE WEBSITE WHERE THE LIVE STREAM AND RECORDING TAKES PLACE FOR THE WEBEX USERS, WHICH IS OUR TWO VIRTUAL ATTENDEES THAT ARE OR, OR APPLICANTS THAT ARE LEFT.

THEY COULD ONLY HEAR AUDIO THAT WAS BEING PICKED UP FROM THAT COMPUTER'S MIC.

AND SO DEPENDING ON HOW FAR AWAY YOU ARE FROM THAT LAPTOP WAS IMPACTING THE QUALITY.

SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP TRYING A FEW THINGS, BUT WE'RE STILL ON THE RECORD.

WE'RE STILL RECORDING.

UM, AND MOST OF OUR APPLICANTS ARE IN PERSON, SO WE'LL TRY TO KEEP GOING.

DON'T WORRY.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 99 3 27 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT ONE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE AND ONE ONE STORY DETACHED GARAGE AT 3 27 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.

A THROUGH Y STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, AND THAT INCLUDES 14 STIPULATIONS.

WOULD THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE ME TO READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD? IS THERE A WAY TO, IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, DESCRIBE IN A SHORTER FASHION? SO STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C.

AND THESE INCLUDE STANDARD STIPULATIONS SUCH AS PROVIDING SETBACK DIAGRAMS FOR THE SETBACKS OF ADJACENT STRUCTURES, HEIGHT DIAGRAMS FOR THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES, TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF LOCK COVERAGE MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR PROPOSED WINDOWS AND DOORS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS THAT THEY SIMPLIFY THE PROPOSED MATERIAL PALLET.

UH, THE PROPOSED WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SILL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATES ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, THAT THEY PROPOSE A PORCH ENTRY AREA THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH PORCHES OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY.

THAT THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD NOT EXCEED 10 FEET IN WIDTH AND COMPLY WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR PERMEABLE SURFACING TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C.

THAT THE FRONT WALKWAY

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AND THE APPLICANT IS WITH US VIRTUALLY RAUL SALDOVAR IS WITH US.

HELLO? YES, RAUL, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED UPDATED DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO THE HEARING THAT WERE NOT PUBLISHED WITH THE AGENDA.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AND ARE NOT, UH, REVIEWED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT STAFF IS ABLE TO SHOW THOSE, UH, UPDATES.

NOW, MR. CHAIR IN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND, AND, UM, OF CLARITY, IT, IT, IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO TO HEAR A MOTION TO CONTINUE OR TO GO TO A CONSULTATION BECAUSE THE, IF THE APPLICATION BEFORE US IS A FOR CONCEPTUAL, THE STAFF'S REQUIREMENTS GO BEYOND CONCEPTUAL.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE MADE BY STAFF THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH CONCEPTUALS SUCH AS HEIGHTS AND, UM, PROPER DIAGRAMS, BUT THEN WE GET INTO THE WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT CONS, NOT PART OF CONCEPTUAL CONSIDERATION.

MAYBE THE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE, THE, THE DIAGRAMS THAT CAME IN AND FOR THERE TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION AS TO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS NOW UNDERSTANDING CONSTITUTES CONCEPTUAL MS. MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR.

YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SUPPORT, UH, A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT, UH, CONTINUANCE.

UM, I SEE THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS BEEN TO TWO DRCS.

ONE WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER AND ONE WAS AT THE END OF MARCH.

AND, AND, UM, IF THERE ARE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT STAFF HASN'T HAD THE FULL, UH, UH, BENEFIT OF REVIEWING AND UPDATING THEIR COMMENTS, I THINK IT'D BE MORE PRODUCTIVE EVEN IF IT'S A TWO DAY, TWO WEEK DELAY FOR THE APPLICANT TO, TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

SO I WOULD MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE.

NO SECOND.

SO OUR NEXT D R, UH, NEXT H D R C HEARING.

SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, DISCUSSION.

YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NEW DOCUMENTS THAT STAFF HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THE, UH, APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED STAFF'S COMMENTS IN THESE NEW DOCUMENTS.

OTHER COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.

UM, NEXT WOULD BE ITEM 11 3 0 5 LAVACCA.

UM, THAT APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO GO LAST, UM, JUST A TIMING THING.

AND SO IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE CHAIR, WE'LL PROCEED WITH ITEM 12.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 EIGHT.

I'M SORRY, HERE, I'M SORRY.

H D R C CASE 2023 DASH ONE TEN TWO OH NINE WEST MARIOSA.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE FIVE WOOD WINDOWS WITH VINYL WINDOWS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH F.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS.

THE APPLICANT, JACQUELINE CULVER IS HERE TODAY IN PERSON, LEMME SPEAK.

I AM REPRESENTING THE FASANELLA FAMILY THAT COULD NOT BE HERE.

AND, UM, THERE IS A STATEMENT THAT I'M GONNA READ ON THEIR BEHALF.

THE FASANELLA FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE REPLACEMENT PROCESS OF THE REMAINING WOOD WINDOWS.

THE REQUEST STEMS FROM THE HEALTH CONCERNS AND HARMFUL EFFECTS OF LEAD TO CHILDREN AS THE FAMILY HAS A CHILD WITH DOWN SYNDROME.

UPON OUR INITIAL MEETING, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT EVERY REMAINING WOOD WINDOW TESTED POSITIVE FOR LEAD IN THE PAINT AND FRAME THE MATERIAL REQUESTED FOR REPLACEMENT IS VINYL TO MATCH THE CURRENT REPLACEMENT WINDOWS IN THE HOME THAT ARE VINYL.

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A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UM, ARE THERE OTHER VINYL WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE WHEN, AFTER YOU DID YOUR SITE VISIT? SO STAFF WAS NOT ABLE TO CONDUCT A, A SITE VISIT? THE APPLICANTS WERE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE SITE VISIT, SO I CANNOT SAY FOR CERTAIN.

HOWEVER, IN PREVIOUS, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS HEARING, STAFF DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT AND THERE WERE VINYL WINDOWS ON, ON THE PROPERTY.

QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER GROOVE? DO WE HAVE SPECIFICATIONS ON THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING INSTALLED? NO, THE APPLICANT DID NOT PROVIDE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE WINDOWS SPECIFICATIONS.

UH, AS MAYBE I CAN OFFER SOME OF THAT INFORMATION.

I MEAN, IT'S MORE LIKE, YEAH.

DO YOU HAVE A, LIKE A TEAR SHEET OF THE WINDOW THAT DIMENSIONS, IS THERE A PICTURE OF IN THE PACKAGE OF ANY OTHER, THE CUT SHEET, THAT SORT OF THING OF THE PROPOSED PRODUCT? UM, NO, UH, THAT WASN'T SUBMITTED.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE, UH, DOCUMENTATION FOR THE, UH, COMMISSION TO, TO MAKE A FAIR, A FAIR, UH, ASSESSMENT OF THIS CASE.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE STAFF IS OPERATING ON UNDER LIMITED, UH, INFORMATION AS WELL.

SO I WOULD, UM, MOVE FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THIS CASE UNTIL THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, GATHERED THAT DOCUMENTATION TOGETHER AND, AND IS MET WITH STAFF.

I'LL SECOND MOTION IS SECOND FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MR. CHAIR? YES.

COMMISSIONER GIBBS? YES.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SO, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE LEAD, THE LEAD PAINT, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR REMOVING LEAD PAINT ON THE WINDOW.

SO, AND I, I AM SYMPATHETIC ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CHILD WITH DOWN SYNDROME, BUT THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.

SO HAVE Y'ALL EXPLORED THAT? UM, UH, THE PROCESS TO RESTORE, UM, WHEN THEY WERE QUOTED WITH THE RESTORATION, UM, FAR EXCEEDED THE COST OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT.

UM, OUR INSTALL TEAM HAS A SPECIFIC PROCESS TO PREVENT THE LEAD FROM FALLING INTO THE GROUND, INTO THE SOIL, INTO THE AIR, UM, AND WE ALSO, UM, USE CERTAIN TECHNIQUES TO PREVENT THE LEAD CONTAMINATION ON THE INSTALL MATERIALS, UM, WHICH IS WHY THEY PREFERRED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACEMENT.

UM, THE FAMILY SPOKE TO MANY COMPANIES BETWEEN LIKE OCTOBER TO FEBRUARY, UM, TRYING TO FIND THE BEST ROUTE AND THIS IS HOW THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO DO YOU REPRESENT THE WINDOW COMPANY? I DO, YES.

SO YOU'RE THE ONE RECOMMENDING THE VINYL, THE MATERIAL? UM, I RECOMMENDED VINYL BECAUSE THERE WAS, THERE WAS ALREADY VINYL IN THE HOME, SO JUST, UH, UM, ALSO PUT THE MOTION.

BUT I THINK THAT FOR THE NEXT ONE IS, YOU KNOW, BRING THE DETAILS OF THE WINDOWS, BUT ALSO PICTURES OF WHERE THE CURRENT VINYL WINDOWS ARE.

AND I'M NOT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHICH FIVE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING CHANGED.

ARE THEY ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME? YES.

UM, THE HOME WAS RENOVATED PRIOR TO THE PURCHASE, SO THERE'S, UH, AN ADDITION IN THE BACK THAT, UM, WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE REQUEST AND THEN ALL OF THE SIDE HAS VINYL.

SO WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO IS JUST FINISH OFF THE REST OF THE HOME.

AND THEN, UM, WE NORMALLY, YOU KNOW, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE RETAIN AS MUCH OF THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE.

SO NORMALLY THE FRONT WINDOWS ARE ALSO MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE BACK OF THE SIDE.

SURE.

THAT MIGHT BE A REASON WHY THERE'S VINYL, BUT, UM, YEAH.

IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN ALSO PROPOSE, UH, MAYBE ANOTHER, LIKE AN ALUMINUM WOOD CLOUD WINDOW? DO YOU SUPPLY THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REPLACEMENT OF WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING SPEED THROUGH E STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT REPAIR THE WOOD WINDOWS WITH IN-KIND MATERIALS.

OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND FOR CONTINUANCE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE.

SO IF YOU'D WORK WITH STAFF ON WHAT OTHER, UH, INFORMATION OKAY.

WOULD BE, UH, REQUIRED FOR THE NEXT HEARING.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13, H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 1 0 8 8 0 1 EAST QUINCY.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE SEVEN WOOD WINDOWS WITH WOOD WINDOW REPLACEMENT

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AND THE APPLICANT, ISABEL MARTINEZ, IS HERE IN PERSON.

HELLO, MY NAME IS SO MARTINEZ.

I'M REPRESENTING, UH, THE TRIBE PROPERTIES TODAY.

UM, THEY'RE ADMIN AND I BROUGHT SOME SLIDES OVER.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE ABLE TO PRESENT IT.

SO, UH, IF YOU JUST GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE.

EXCUSE ME.

WOULD YOU PULL THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU? OH, SORRY.

UM, SO OUR CURRENT PAIN POINTS IN REGARDS TO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE OPERATE A SMALL BUSINESS OUT OF 8 0 1 EAST QUINCY WITH 24 STAFF MEMBERS, THE MAJORITY OF WHICH OUT OF THOSE, UM, 21 OUT OF THOSE 24, UH, WORK IN THE SECOND STORY OF THE BUILDING.

THAT IS WHERE WE WANT TO, UH, REPLACE THE SEVEN WINDOWS.

UH, FROM, UH, WE'VE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTION TO BUSINESS OPERATIONS, NAMELY THROUGH DECREASED EMPLOYEE EFFICIENCY AND JOB SATISFACTION DUE TO THE UNBEARABLY HOT CONDITIONS UPSTAIRS DURING THE MONTHS OF THE YEAR WHERE THE TEMPERATURE RISES ABOVE 80 DEGREES, MAINLY MARCH THROUGH NOVEMBER.

SO THE SPACE IS AT A PREMIUM.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT A, WE'RE OPERATING AT OUR MAX CAPACITY, SO IN OUR OFFICE AND EMPLOYEES THAT SIT NEAR THOSE WINDOWS, AND YOU WILL SEE PICTURES OF WHERE THE DESKS ARE LOCATED NEAR, NEAR, THOSE WINDOWS UPSTAIRS ARE, AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO REMAIN AT THEIR DESKS MAINLY THROUGHOUT THE HOURS OF NOON TILL THE END OF THE DAY.

UM, DUE TO THE TEMP, THE TEMPERATURES RISING ABOVE 80 DEGREES AS THAT RESULT.

SO DUE TO THE INEFFICIENT SINGLE PANE WINDOWS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO THESE, UH, THIS LE LEADS TO A DECREASED ABILITY TO REMAIN FOCUSED WHILE WORKING, RESULTING IN A DROP IN, IN, UH, IN OUTPUT, SORRY.

UM, AS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT SERVES CLIENTS IN THE SAN ANTONIO AREA, OUR ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE WORK TIME DURING THE DAY TO MEET CLIENTS' NEEDS AND DEADLINES IS VITAL TO RETAINING OUR CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS AND PROTECTING OUR REVENUE.

UM, WE ARE ALSO IMPACTED BY THE INCREASE ENERGY UTILITY EXPENSES FROM TRYING TO COOL THE SECOND STORY TO A TEMPERATURE THAT IS BEARABLE TO OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND THEN YOU CAN, OH, SORRY.

YOU CAN GO OVER TO THEM.

BUT BENDER AFTER BENDER THAT WE SPOKE TO RECOMMENDED REPLACEMENT OF THE WINDOWS AS REPAIRING WOULD NOT SOLVE THE HEAT ISSUE.

SO THESE ARE JUST A, A FEW OF THE PICTURES IN THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE THE DESKS ARE LOCATED NEAR THE WINDOWS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SWITCH OUT.

AND THEN YOU CAN KEEP SCROLLING DOWN.

AND THEN THIS IS JUST, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF OUR C P SS ENERGY BILL, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ENERGY, UH, REALLY DOES INCREASE DURING THOSE MONTHS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

AND THEN PAIN POINTS, YEAH, CONTINUED.

SO THESE PAIN POINTS HAVE BECOME UNTENABLE, WHICH LED US TO SEARCH FOR A SOLUTION.

UH, AT FIRST, UH, WE WENT THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS TRYING TO LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO REPAIR, UH, THE WINDOWS, UH,

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UH, AND THEN THERE'S AN OTHER PICTURES IN THE NEXT SLIDES, AND THEN WE GOT A, A QUOTE TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH ANY KIND MATERIAL TO ACHIEVE THE EFFICIENCY AS WE KNOW THAT OUR BUILDING IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND HAVING THE WINDOWS STAY AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE WAS OUR GOAL IF REPAIRING, UH, COULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.

SO WE INVESTED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF TIME, MONEY INTO SOLVING THE PROBLEM AND WORKING, UH, WITH THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND AND REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

SO AT THIS TIME, UH, A DENIAL FROM H T R C MEANS THAT WE ARE BACK TO SCORE ONE, EXCEPT NOW WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF LOSING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN PURCHASED.

IN ADDITION TO BEING FORCED TO SPEND ADDITIONAL EXPENSE ON, UH, REPAIRS THAT WON'T SOLVE OUR PROBLEM AT THE ROOT, WHICH IS THE HEAT COMING IN, UH, TO OUR ROOMS. UM, AS A SMALL BUSINESS THAT IS AN OUTCOME THAT WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD, AND WE IMPLORE YOU TO CONSIDER THE POSITION IT WILL LEAVE US IN.

AND THAT WAS JUST THE ORIGINAL REQUEST THAT WE WOULD, UH, UH, TELL TO, UH, ANY VENDORS THAT WE WOULD TRY TO REQUEST A QUOTE FROM BECAUSE WE WERE ORIGINALLY TRYING TO GET A REPAIR, UH, NOT A REPLACE.

AND THEN WE WOULD, THOSE ARE JUST, AND THEN IN THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE'S A FEW EXAMPLES OF HOW WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD BE NEEDING A REPLACEMENT INSTEAD OF, UH, REPAIRS.

AND AFTER HAVING OTHER, UH, VENDORS COME AND DO ONSITE VISITS TO JUST SEE THE WINDOWS IN PERSON, UH, AFTER HEARING TIME, AFTER TIME REPLACEMENT OVER REPAIRS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, UH, AT A HIGHER EXPENSE, WE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST, UH, UH, SOLUTION TO JUST MOVE FORWARD TOO.

SO, YEAH.

AND OH, THAT IS JUST REPEATING THE REST, BUT YEAH, THAT'S IT.

UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES.

UH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR ARE LIKE? ARE THEY STILL WOOD WINDOWS FOR THE FIRST FLOOR ORIGINAL? YES.

EVERYTHING IS JUST AS WE RECEIVE THE HOME, WE, UH, TRY PROPERTIES, PURCHASED A HOME BACK IN 2015, SO EVERYTHING IS JUST AS WE GOT THE HOME.

UH, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE HAS BEEN ANY MODIFICATIONS IN THE PAST, BUT, UH, AS IT'S BEEN WITH US OR IT'S JUST AS THEY'VE BEEN, WHICH SHOULD BE WOOD WINDOWS.

UM, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY OTHER THERMAL UPGRADES TO THE HOUSE? HAS THERE BEEN ADDITIONAL INSTALLATION PUT INTO THAT SECOND STORY SPACE ABOVE? IS THERE AN ACCESSIBLE ATTIC THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS? BECAUSE HERE'S MY CONCERN.

OF, UH, QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UM, UH, YOU'VE HAD YOUR AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM LOOKED AT AND ASSESSED AND TWEAKED.

YOU'LL SPEND THE MONEY PUTTING IN THESE NEW WINDOWS AND IS NOT NECESSARILY GONNA ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES OF A SECOND STORY OCCUPIED SPACE.

UH, YOUR EXPECTATIONS ON THAT MAY BE, UH, BEYOND WHAT THOSE EVEN THE NEW WINDOWS WOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, PERFORM PERFORMANCE WISE.

UH, WE ACTUALLY, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, THAT'S HOW WE REFER OUR CLIENTS, UH, ACTUALLY WORKS INTO, UH, AC UNITS AND, AND THE SORT.

SO WE EVEN HAD, UH, THEM COME OVER AND LOOK OVER AT THE ATTIC TO SEE IF MAYBE WE COULD MITIGATE UNTIL WE WERE ABLE TO SOLVE THE, THE WINDOW ISSUES.

BECAUSE IF YOU SEE THE PICTURES, SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY BROKEN AND THERE THERE ARE GAPS.

SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAD THEM COME OVER, SEE WHAT WE COULD MAKE THE MOST EFFICIENT, UH, FOR IN THE BUILDING FOR WHAT WE HAD UNTIL WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, FIGURE OUT WHETHER TO, UH, REPAIR THE WINDOWS.

AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME THERE.

SO THEY DID COME OVER, THEY MADE THE, UH, AC UNIT SYSTEM THE MORE EFFICIENT POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD GET IT TO.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE STILL FEEL, UH, AREAS IN THE SECOND, UH, STORY, UH, OF THE HOUSE VERY, UH, IT GETS, UH, VERY COLD DURING THE WINTER MONTHS AND WE HAVE TO SHOOT UP THE, THE HEATER OR VERY SAUNA LIKE UNBEARABLY HOT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE TAKING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THIS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THE WINDOWS THAT ARE A CULPRIT.

YEAH, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG IN THAT LINE

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UM, WHAT ABOUT THE INSULATION IN THE ATTIC? DO YOU HAVE LIKE A FOOT OR TWO FEET OF INSULATION IN THE ATTIC? DO YOU RECALL WHEN THEY WERE DOING THAT WORK, IF YOU SAW THAT? BECAUSE VERY HONESTLY MM-HMM.

, THAT WILL GO A VERY, VERY LONG WAY IN ADDITION TO THE AIR CONDITIONING.

JUST WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT.

AND, UM, MM-HMM.

, SOME FOLKS WILL ALSO GO IN AND INSULATE THE WALLS TOO.

UM, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, HEAT TRANSFER FROM THE WINDOWS IS RELATIVELY SMALL CONSIDERING ALL OF THE OTHER PLANES ON THE HOUSE.

SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

FIRST, MR. CHAIR? UH, ONE MOMENT.

UM, UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, UH, TOUCHED UP AT THE TIME WHEN THE INSTALLERS CAME IN AND, AND DID ALL THE WORK.

UH, I DO KNOW THE AC WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF INSUL INSULATION WAS AT THE TIME, SO I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

SORRY.

THAT'S FINE.

COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ? UH, YES.

FIR FIRST I, I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT YOU, YOU, UH, COMMUNICATE VERY WELL AND YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND, UH, I GUESS Y'ALL'S CONCERNS, BUT, UH, THE SITUATION YOU COMMUNICATE, UH, COMPLEX, UH, UH, A COMPLEX SITUATION VERY WELL.

I WANNA COMMEND YOU ON THAT.

HOW, HOW DID Y'ALL COME ABOUT THE WINDOW THAT YOU SELECTED? I'M NOTICING THAT IT'S A, IT'S A VERY CAREFULLY SEEMS TO BE A CAREFULLY SELECTED WINDOW.

WHO, WHO LED Y'ALL IN THE DIRECTION OF THAT, THAT PARTICULAR GEN WELD? WELL, UH, WE, WE, WE DID WANT TO ADHERE TO THE, UH, ACTUAL GUIDELINES THAT WERE ALREADY PUT OUT.

UH, WE KNEW THAT AS HAVING A, A BUILDING HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, WE HAD TO ADHERE TO SPECIFIC GUIDELINES.

WE JUST WENT, UH, SURE.

AT THE TIME, WHICH WOULD THERE, UH, THERE BE, WE KNEW WE HAD TO JUST KEEP IT AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAD.

AND AFTER, UH, FOLLOWING UP WITH SEVERAL VENDORS, UH, WE KIND OF HAD OPTIONS LAID OUT AND, AND THEY LET US KNOW, OKAY, UH, ON OUR, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN PAST PROJECTS, UH, WE'VE DONE FOR THE SPECIFIC ONE, UH, WE'VE HAD ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS PUT UP FOR HISTORICAL HOMES, AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.

SO WE FIGURED OUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE BEST APPROACH.

AND, AND SO LOOKING AT THE, THE ABILITY TO PAINT THE WINDOW, WHAT ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AT A PAINT GRADE EXTERIOR SO THAT YOU, YOU'RE ABLE TO MATCH? CORRECT.

SO THE EXTERIORS IS CURRENTLY WHITE, SO IT WOULD REMAIN WHITE.

AND, AND IF YOU REMOVE THE WINDOWS TO REPLACE THEM WITH, UM, A, A MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT PRODUCT, WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO STORE THE WINDOWS THAT YOU REMOVE OR DONATE THEM TO THE CITY'S RENEW SA UH, MECHANISM OR DEPARTMENT THAT THEY HAVE? WOULD Y'ALL BE WILLING TO CAREFULLY REMOVE THE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY THEY MIGHT BE, YEAH.

SO THAT IT IS POSSIBLE SOME FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO USE THEM OR EVEN AN OWNER AT SOMETIMES.

AND YEAH, IF, IF, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE US TO DO, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH US.

MR. CHAIR, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO BASED ON YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION TODAY, Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THE WOOD WINDOWS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AS WE FIGURED THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO PROBLEM WITH THE NEW WINDOWS.

UM, IT'S GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONALITY, UM, USUALLY AT THAT BOTTOM RAIL.

WELL, COMMISSIONER BAKER, I'VE GOT A QUESTION TO STAFF.

SO IN, IN COMPARING THE EXISTING WINDOWS THAT ARE IN POOR SHAPE WITH THE ONES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BOUGHT FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, HOW DO THEY COMPARE? ARE THEY, DO THEY LOOK THE SAME? ARE THEY IN GENERAL COMPLIANCE IN TERMS OF THE ARCHITECTURE? WHAT, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S THE STAFF ASSESSMENT OF THAT? YES, THEY ARE THE SAME, BUT ALSO STAFF DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT AND WAS ABLE TO ASSESS THE WINDOWS, AND THEY ARE IN REPAIRABLE CONDITION.

SO THAT'S THE ISSUE IS THAT THEY'RE REPAIRABLE VERSUS REPLACEMENT NEEDED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OH, I MEAN, THEY ARE SIMILAR.

I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT, BUT IT'S NEVER GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE WOOD WINDOW THAT IS BUILT INTO THE HOUSE.

A REPLACEMENT WINDOW IS ALWAYS GONNA HAVE A TRACKING COMPONENT.

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UM, AND THERE MIGHT EVEN BE ALTERATIONS NEEDED TO THE TRIM SURROUNDING THAT WINDOW IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT REPLACEMENT POSSIBLE.

SO IT'S, FOR MOST PEOPLE, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY SIMILAR APPEARANCE, BUT LIKE CLAUDIA SAID, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RETAIN AND PRESERVE AS MANY OF THE ORIGINAL COMPONENTS OF THIS, OF THIS HOUSE AS POSSIBLE.

WELL, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT WITH THE GEN WELD AS PRESENTED BY THE, BY THE CUT SHEET AND THE PRESENTATION.

SECOND.

YOU HAVE A MOTION OR SECOND DISCUSSION? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, TO JUST, UM, SAY THAT, THAT THERE, THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMS, RIGHT? THERE'S STAFF'S PROBLEM, WHICH WOULD BE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S PROBLEM, AND THEN THERE'S THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PROBLEM.

AND THE TWO PROBLEMS ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER, THE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. BUT, BUT I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PROBLEM IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S, UM, UH, OBJECTIVE IN THE, WITH RESPECT TO RENEWABLES AND, AND, UH, UM, WHICH ALL COMES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND, AND, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, IS I THINK THE WHOLE PURPOSE BEHIND THE RECYCLE MENTALITY, RIGHT? UM, THE, UM, THE, THE OUT OF REACH, UM, UM, LOCATION OF THESE WINDOWS IS SECOND LEVEL, PROVIDE AN EXTRA OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE, UH, UH, ENOUGH OF A VISUAL, UM, UM, CONNECTION WITH, WITH THE OLD, PARTICULARLY OF THEIR PAINT GRADE AND, AND IF THE TRIM WORK IS DONE PROPERLY.

UM, BUT, BUT ALSO THAT, THAT THE, THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY OR, OR THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I AM READING, UH, STAFF'S, UH, STATEMENT IN HERE THAT, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY CALL, UH, A KIND OF A COMMENT THAT'S A BIT OF A MANUFACTURING OF CONSENT.

YOU KNOW, THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA TELL US THAT VERY LITTLE HEAT GAIN COMES IN THROUGH A WINDOW, WHICH I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE TO, TO HAVE A HOUSE AND SIT BY THE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE OF JUNE TO KNOW THAT THE WINDOW'S LAID IN A VAST MAJORITY OF THE HEAT IN YOUR HOUSE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT INSULATION, IT WAS NOT, NOT, UH, A GOOD PRESCRIPTION THAT, THAT Y'ALL LOOK INTO INSULATING AND PERHAPS INSULATING HEAVILY IN THE CEILING.

BUT MOST DEFINITELY, UH, UH, A GOOD QUALITY, UH, UH, EQUAL, UH, UH, MATERIAL REPLACEMENT, UH, WITH AN INSULATED WINDOW, UH, CAN PROVIDE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF, UM, A COMFORT AND, AND MOST DEFINITELY A, A, A GREATER USE, A LONGER USE, UH, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE USING THE SECOND LEVEL.

UH, SO, UM, IT, IT, IT SEEMS THAT IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS.

UH, AND, UM, UH, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK, THANK YOU, SIR.

I, YES.

OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER BAKER? SO, I, I'VE GOT COMMENTS.

I, I GUESS I, I LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IF THE WINDOWS ARCHITECTURALLY GENERALLY MATCH OR CONFORM, OR COULD BE MADE TO, TO LOOK VERY, VERY SIMILAR AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY PURCHASED THE WINDOWS, THEN, THEN I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IT, IT MIGHT BE IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST TO APPROVE, UM, APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE PURCHASED WINDOWS, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY DONATE THE EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS TO THE CITY SO THAT THEY MIGHT BENEFIT ANOTHER APPLICANT ON ANOTHER HOME.

IN A, IN A TYPICAL SITUATION, IF THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE BY THE, BY THE, UM, THE COMMISSION, THEN WHAT I WOULD SUBMIT PERHAPS AS A COMPROMISE WOULD BE THAT THE MOST VISIBLE WINDOWS, THOSE THAT ARE ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, THAT FACE QUINCY AVENUE, AND THEN ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE, THOSE THAT ARE, ARE ON THE, UH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE PREDOMINANT APPROACH, UM, THAT THOSE BE, UH, REPAIRED AND LEFT AND THEN, UM, AS MOST VISIBLE AND ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT, I WOULD SUBMIT.

AND THEN THAT WAY THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT, UH, INCUR AS MUCH LOSS, UH, FROM THE PURCHASE.

COMMISSIONER GRU, COMMISSIONER SEZS, I ASK FOR.

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UM, JUST GOING OFF OF PAST EXPERIENCE, IF THIS WERE A ONE STORY BUILDING, I COULD SEE THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU GOTTA GET 'EM REPAIRED.

THAT'S, THAT'S, BUT YOU'RE FIGHTING THE HEAT, YOU'RE FIGHTING THE SECOND STORY, AND IT'S THAT SECOND STORY EFFECT.

'CAUSE ALL THE HEAT DOES WHAT? IT GOES UP AND IT RISES.

SO, UH, I'M PROBABLY GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.

UH, BUT I DEFINITELY SYMPATHIZE WITH STAFF, BUT I ALSO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE HOMEOWNER IN THAT IT'S A SECOND FLOOR ISSUE, THAT THE HOLISTIC APPROACH THAT A FELLOW COMMISSIONER MENTIONED HERE, I THINK IMPACTS THE SECOND FLOOR.

YOU KNOW, IS THERE INSULATION IN, UH, UH, THE REST OF THE HOUSE? UM, BUT IT'S THAT WHOLE SECOND FLOOR THING THAT I THINK IS KEEPING OR LEND ITSELF TO KEEPING THAT PLACE HOT.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP.

YEAH, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF SHOCKED WHEN YOU SAID YOU'D ALREADY PURCHASED.

ARE THEY RETURNABLE, YOU THINK? I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY DONE BECAUSE FROM A SMALL BUSINESS STANDPOINT, YOU'RE SPENDING MORE ON THESE NEW WINDOWS THAT YOU WOULD'VE HAD IF YOU HAD TO REPAIR THEM.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, THAT'S THE COST OF YOU REPLACING THEM.

THE, IN 10 YEARS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THEM AGAIN 20 YEARS.

I MEAN, SO THAT'S THE THING IS LIKE IF THE, UH, I'M, I MEAN, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THEM.

YOU DO THESE, I, THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, NORMALLY WOULD NEVER, NEVER SUPPORT ANY WINDOW REPLACEMENT WHEN THEY'RE REPAIRABLE, ESPECIALLY IF STAFF HAS BEEN THERE.

UM, BUT, UM, SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THOSE WINDOWS CAN BE RETURNED? UH, WE CAN SEE WITH, UH, LOWE'S, THAT'S THE VENDOR THAT SOLD US THE WINDOWS.

WE COULD TRY AND, AND, AND FIGURE OUT IF, IF THEY ARE REFUNDABLE, UM, AS WE'VE TRIED .

BUT AT THE TIME, THE SALES ASSOCIATE THAT LET ME KNOW THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY, UH, THEY CAN'T CANCEL THE ORDER OR THEY'RE NON-REFUNDABLE.

SO RIGHT NOW IS THE ONLY REASON AS TO WHY I'M HERE TODAY, TRYING TO PLAY OUR CASE BECAUSE IT, IN REALITY, WE WOULD BE LOSING ABOUT $12,000 IN WINDOWS.

BUT THE THING IS, YOU'RE GONNA BE SPENDING THE WINDOWS, THE INSTALLATION, YOU GOTTA HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THE, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WHEN YOU'RE INSTALLING WINDOWS THAT ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME, THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE CURING MUCH MORE COST THAN IF YOU HAD FOUND REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR THESE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE VERY EASY TO FIND.

AND IT'S WOOD, IT'S EASY TO, I MEAN, YOU CAN, THERE'S A LOT OF REPAIRS THAT CAN BE DONE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BUYING THE WINDOWS.

UM, I MEAN, THAT WAS, UH, THE APPROACH.

WE TOOK IT AT FIRST, WE WANTED TO REPAIR, NOT REPLACE, WE, AND WE MENTIONED TO EVERY VENDOR THAT CAME ON SITE TO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS THAT WERE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDING AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO THE EXTERIOR INTERIOR OF THE HOME HAS TO REMAIN AS INTACT OR AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE.

UH, BUT AS EVERY VENDOR TOLD US TO REPLACE AND, AND NOT TO REPAIR, WE FIGURED AT THE TIME, WELL, IT, IF AFTER EIGHT VENDORS THAT COME IN HERE TELL US TO REPLACE, WE FIGURED THAT WAS THE THE WAY TO GO.

WE AND, UH, WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY COULD BE REPAIRABLE IF AFTER SO MANY OPINIONS SAYING THE SAME THING.

SO WE JUST TOOK THE BEST QUOTE THAT WE HAD FOR, UH, RE UH, REPLACE AND THAT IS WHAT WE MOVED FORWARD.

UH, WITH A QUESTION, UH, ARE THE WINDOWS THAT YOU PURCHASED, ARE THEY THE SAME SIZE AS THE WINDOWS THAT YOU WISH TO REPLACE? CORRECT.

EV EVERYTHING IS, UH, IT'S GOING WITH THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT TRIM.

UH, THE TRIM IS NOT BEING TOUCHED AT ALL, BUT IT'S CURRENTLY ALL THE MEASUREMENTS FROM THE CURRENT WINDOWS, AND IT'S JUST REPLACING THEM WITH NEWER ONES THAT, THAT IS THE ONE CHANGE.

JUST ONE LAST COMMENT.

UH, LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS OF THE WINDOWS, UH, I CAN SEE WHY THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, HEAT GAIN IN THE SUMMER AND HEAT LOSS IN THE WINTER BECAUSE OF, UH, WINDOWS AREN'T FITTING IN THE FRAMES CORRECTLY 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ADJUSTED.

THERE'S GLASS THAT HAS SLIPPED, THERE'S, UH, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY WEATHER STRIPPING ON THE WINDOWS.

AND, UM, ITEMS THAT, UH, STAFF HAD LOOKED AT THAT I BELIEVE, UM, BASED ON THAT, THE STAFF'S REPORT AND THE PHOTOS, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY'RE ALSO REPAIRABLE.

SO AT THIS POINT, I WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL.

GIBBS NAYYY SAVINO NAY VELAZQUEZ AYE.

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FETZER NAY MOTION FAILS.

SO IF YOU'LL GET WITH STAFF AND, UH, THEY CAN EXPLAIN NEXT STEPS.

WE'LL NEED ANOTHER MOTION.

OH, I'M SORRY.

MOTION FAILED.

SO WE WILL NEED ANOTHER MOTION.

I'LL, MR. CHAD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A ALTERNATE MOTION.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER GRU HAD STEPPED IN FIRST.

UM, I'M MOTION TO DENY AND YEAH, MOTION TO DENY.

AND ON THE COMMENT, SECOND MOTION.

AND SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? I'LL JUST ADD THAT I THINK MAYBE THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN BRING BACK TO THE VENDOR AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET, UH, A REFUND.

'CAUSE I ALSO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY.

MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.

Y YOU, YOU KNOW, THE ITEM C, WINDOW REPLACEMENT, ENERGY EFFICIENCY MAINTENANCE, IT SAYS IN TERMS OF EFFICIENCY, IN MOST CASES, WINDOWS ONLY ACCOUNT FOR A FRACTION OF HEAT GAIN LOSS IN A BUILDING.

AND THEN IT SAYS IMPROVING ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF HISTORIC WINDOWS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ONLY AFTER, AND IT GOES ON.

BUT THEN IT SAYS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS FEATURE, SINGLE PANE GLASS, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO RADIANT HEAT TRANSFER.

AND THEN, AND THEN PRODUCTS ARE AVAILABLE TO REDUCE HEAT TRANSFER.

SO IT, IT, IT, IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF.

THE THE THING THOUGH, IS THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE TWO CONVERSATIONS THAT, THAT TO ME ARE, UH, THAT, THAT NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO THE SURFACE.

ONE IS A CONVERSATION ABOUT REPLACING WINDOWS.

THE, THE, UH, UH, THAT, THAT ARE DAMAGED.

THE YOUNG LADY'S PRESENTATION HAS, HAS BEEN SPECIFICALLY ABOUT HEAT GAIN AND, UM, THE INEFFICIENCY THAT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE COMMENT HERE THAT SAYS THAT ORIGINAL WINDOWS FEATURE SINGLE PANE GLASS, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO RADIANT HEAT TRANSFER, WHICH IS STAFF'S COMMENT.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOTION FAILED, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A MOTION TO DENY, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH, UH, STATING THAT I THINK THE MOTION THAT FAILED IS, IS BASED ON A, ON THE PROBLEM OF, OF, UM, THAT, THAT WE'VE DEFINED, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE PROBLEM THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DEFINED.

AND, AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT, THAT WHEN THE APPLICANTS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION, THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE CITIZENS, THAT TO A LARGE EXTENT, WE, WE, UH, WORK FOR THEM.

AND WHEN THEY BRING, UM, UH, SUCH A, SUCH A FINE PRESENTATION, THAT IS, THAT THAT IS DONE.

ITS, ITS DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT IS SCIENTIFIC THAT, THAT WE, UM, AT LEAST HAVE OUR DELIBERATION BASED ON THE PROBLEM AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT AS OPPOSED TO, UH, A PROBLEM THAT WE SUB DEFINE.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, SIR.

I WILL SAY THAT FURTHER ON IN FINDING C UH, STAFF HAS LISTED PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TO REDUCE HEAT TRANSFER THROUGH SINGLE PANE GLASS, INCLUDE, UH, UH, WINDOW FILMS, INTERIOR STORM WINDOWS, AND THERMAL SHADES.

SO THERE ARE PRODUCTS OUT THERE THAT CAN WORK WITH EXISTING SINGLE PANE GLASS THAT WOULD HELP, UH, REDUCE HEAT TRANSFER.

Y Y YES, SIR.

AND I, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT, THAT THOSE SOLUTIONS CAN COMPARE WITH THE PRODUCT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER SAVINA? YES.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD AND ENCOURAGE AS YOU MOVE THROUGH, UM, HOWEVER, UM, HOWEVER WE DECIDE, UM, TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO BEYOND JUST THE WINDOWS AND LOOK AT THE BUILDING AS AN ORGANISM, AS AN ENTITY THAT HAS MANY DIFFERENT FACETS THAT WILL AFFECT THE INTERIOR COMFORT FOR YOUR, UH, PARTNERS AND EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS.

AND SO, UM, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO, UM, FIND, UH, AN EXPERT WHO CAN GUIDE YOU THROUGH INSULATION, THROUGH THERMAL, OTHER THERMAL, UM, UH, PRODUCTS.

UH, SOMETIMES WHAT AFFECTS US IN THE SUMMER IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT AFFECTS US IN THE WINTER, OR THEY ARE HANDLED DIFFERENTLY.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS JUST THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT.

UM, SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, YOU AND YOUR PARTNERS DO READ UP ON IT AND, AND LOOK AT THAT HOUSE, WHICH IS NOW AN OFFICE AS, UM, AS A VERY HISTORIC AND BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

I, I WISHED I, UM, HAD SOME ELEVATION PHOTOS IN THE PACKAGE.

I DON'T HAVE 'EM HERE.

I HAVE TO GO LOOK AT, UH, GOOGLE EARTH.

BUT SEEING IT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND YOU'LL WANT TO, UM, ADDRESS ALL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING AS BEST Y'ALL CAN.

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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

SO IN, IN CASES IN THE PAST, I'M SURE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST CASE WHERE AN APPLICANT HAS BOUGHT WINDOWS, TRIED TO MATCH THEM WITH AN EXISTING HISTORIC WINDOW, A AND THEN IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED.

HAVE WE DONE WHAT, WHAT HAS THE CITY AND THE STAFF DONE IN THE PAST TO ASSIST APPLICANTS EITHER AS, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAD HAD, UH, PROPOSED LIKE IN INCLUDING THE RESULTS OF THE H D R C, SO AND SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE THAT AND GO BACK TO THE VENDOR AND TRY TO GET A REFUND OR PUTTING THE APPLICANTS IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF THE, THE COMPANIES THAT SPECIALIZE IN, UH, REPLACING, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, NOT REPLACING, BUT, UH, REFURBISHING THESE OLD WINDOWS.

WE JUST HAD THE, UM, THE, THE HISTORICAL FAIR, THAT'S THE WRONG NAME FOR IT, BUT, UH, IN, IN FEBRUARY WHERE THEY HAD ALL THE VENDORS THAT WERE SHOWING YOU THE WORKSHOPS AND HOW TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ADVANCEMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY, LOW EMISSIVITY FILMS THAT CAN BE PLACED ON THE GLASS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT CAN MAKE SINGLE PANE GLASS MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT NOW THAN WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY MANUFACTURED.

SO I, I GUESS I, I WANNA BE, UH, EMPATHETIC TO THE APPLICANT, UM, ALLOW THEM TO DO BUSINESS, ALLOW THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, UM, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SWEATING TO DEATH.

UM, THERE'S ALWAYS OTHER OPTIONS AND, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHATEVER THE VENDOR'S POLICY ARE, BUT WE HAVE HAD OTHER APPLICANTS SAY LIKE, IF YOU GIVE ME THE DENIAL LETTER, THEN HOPEFULLY I CAN TAKE THAT BACK.

AND I THINK SOME HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH HAVING THAT ACTION AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

THERE'S ALWAYS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.

HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CERVANTES, NAY, BAKER, NAY, FETZER.

AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

SO AGAIN, IF YOU'LL WORK WITH CLAUDIA AND SHE CAN HOPEFULLY, UM, DIRECT YOU WITH SOME OTHER RESOURCES.

I, I DO FEEL THAT THEY ARE ALREADY IN LINE WITH, WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME, BUT THEY ARE AT THE REAR.

AGENDA ITEM 14.

ITEM 14 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 12 3 22 MISSION STREET.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SIX FOOT BY 32 FOOT REAR EDITION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY SIX BY 32 REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS B AND C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT EITHER PROPOSES A WINDOW PRODUCT THAT CONFORMS TO GUIDELINES, NAMELY A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD, WOOD SLASH WINDOW OR SALVAGES WINDOWS REMOVED FOR THE PRO FOR THE PROPOSED EDITION AND INCORPORATES THEM INTO THE NEW DESIGN TWO THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DOOR IN KEEPING WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOME, NAMELY A VICTORIAN STYLE WOOD DOOR WITH EITHER NO WINDOW OR A HALF LIGHT.

UM, AND I'LL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, SINCE RECEIVING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UM, HAS AGREED TO STIPULATION TWO AND PROVIDED UPDATED DRAWINGS WHICH APPEAR ON PAGE SIX OF THE CASE FILE.

UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT ALLE ALLEGRA VOL ON WEBEX.

ALLEGRA, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES.

HELLO.

HI, ALLEGRA, YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN, UH, TAKE TIME TO SPEAK OR YOU CAN JUST ANSWER COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER.

PERFECT.

UM, YES, MY NAME IS ALLEGRA VOLPE AND I'M THE NEW, UH, PROUD OWNER OF 3 22 MISSION.

AND, UM, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU GUYS TODAY FOR CONSIDERING THESE NEW PROPOSED WINDOWS.

UM, I AM UNDERTAKING A HUGE PROJECT WITH THIS HOUSE, AS I'M SURE MAYBE YOU GUYS ALL HAVE SEEN.

UM, I, I LOVE THIS HOUSE SO MUCH AND I'M GOING TO GREAT LENGTHS TO RESTORE ALL OF THE WINDOWS ON THE, UM, FRONT AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

AND I ACTUALLY HAVE THESE PELLA WINDOWS.

THEY ARE PELLA TRADITIONAL RESERVE WINDOWS, UM, IN MY INVENTORY ALREADY.

SO THE FACT THAT I ALREADY HAVE THEM, UM, REALLY HELPS WITH MY BUDGET AND IT IS AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.

SO, UM,

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SO IF, IF THAT DOES HELP MY CASE, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT, UH, THESE ARE PE RESERVE TRADITIONAL ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS, AND, UH, THIS IS LANGUAGE DIRECT OFF THE PELLO WEBSITE THAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO BE USED IN HISTORIC AREAS WITH SOME OF THE STRICTEST BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THOSE ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY.

SO I HOPE THAT, UM, YOU ALL AGREE THAT THESE WOULD BE IN LINE, UM, TO USE ON THE REAR OF THE HOME.

UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF.

UH, THESE ALUMINUM CLA WOOD WINDOWS, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY MEET THE, UH, GUIDELINES? UM, THE MATERIALS DO, BUT THE STYLE OF THE WINDOWS DO NOT.

THEY ARE CASEMENT, UH, LIKE SLIDING WINDOWS RATHER THAN SASH WINDOWS.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE, THE, THEY DON'T CONFORM TO GUIDELINES.

OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF AND JUST COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, THANK YOU SIR.

UM, AND FOR STAFF TO KIND OF CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC LISTENING TO THIS, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS DECISION GOES DOWN, HOW YOU WOULD CHARACTERIZE THIS DI IS DIFFERENT FROM THE, THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE REPLACED ARE, ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE WAS AN EXISTING RARE EDITION.

THIS IS A NEW RARE EDITION THAT HAS, UM, NEW DESIGN, NEW INTRODUCTION OF MATERIALS AND WHATNOT.

IT'S NOT REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING, UH, HISTORIC WOOD WINDOWS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO REALLY MAKE A STARK CONTRAST THERE.

'CAUSE THAT WAS A TOUGH CASE THAT WE WENT THROUGH ON THAT ONE.

UM, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER GROUP.

THE STAFF WAS ALSO ASKING IF YOU WOULD INCORPORATE SOME OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T PLANNED? THEY'RE ASKING YOU? UM, NO.

UH, SO THE WINDOWS, UM, UPSTAIRS ARE, THEY'RE ALMOST LIKE OUTDOOR SHED TYPE WINDOWS.

UM, THEY REALLY DON'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE AS AN EXTERIOR WINDOW.

I MEAN, THEY'RE VERY FLIMSY, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD.

BUT, UM, I WOULD STORE, UM, THE WINDOW, THOSE THREE WINDOWS ON THE BOTTOM, UM, OR DONATE.

UH, BUT YEAH, THE, THE TOP WINDOWS AREN'T REALLY USABLE IN, IN MY OPINION.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I FEEL LIKE THE WINDOW TO THE RIGHT, IT'S NOT A ONE OF A ONE, IT'S, THERE'S A SCREEN ON IT, RIGHT? UH, YES MA'AM.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THE OTHER 2, 1 0 1 OR THEY ALSO HAVE DIVIDED LIGHTS IN IT.

THE OTHER WINDOWS ARE ONE OVER ONE.

IT HAS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF WINDOWS ON IT.

I CAN PULL UP THE OTHER ELEVATIONS TOO FOR YOU.

IT LOOKS LIKE 1 0 1, MR. CHAIR.

I MOVE THAT THE, UH, THE ITEM BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT.

I'LL SECOND IT CAN, UH, MOTIONS.

CAN YOU, SORRY, CAN I CLARIFY? 'CAUSE THERE'S AN ITEM ON THE DOOR THAT SHE SAID SHE WOULD AGREE TO.

SO CAN YOU JUST KEEP STIPULATION TWO? YES, I WOULD ADD THAT WE COULD KEEP STIPULATION TWO.

DOES THE SECOND AGREE? YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

ANY DISCUSSION? WE HAVE ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MR. CHAD.

ONE, ONE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A DEMOLITION COMPONENT TO THIS PROJECT? GUESS THAT WOULD BE FOR STAFF? YES, YOU ANSWER THAT THERE'S NO, UH, DEMOLITION.

IT'S JUST IN ADDITION.

YEAH, IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING REAR ELEVATION.

SO, OKAY.

SO THEN JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION WAS PREVIOUSLY, UH, STAT'S.

PRESENTATION WAS IT, THERE'S AN ADDITION THAT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL ADDITION.

SO THIS IS AN ADDITION TO THE NON-ORIGINAL ADDITION OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, RIGHT? THIS IS A REAR ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S A REAR ADDITION TO AN ADDITION.

I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CERVANTES? YES, BAKER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALLEGRA.

YOU CAN HANG UP.

I'LL, UH, EMAIL YOU TOMORROW.

[01:30:02]

THANK YOU GUYS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

AGENDA ITEM 15.

SORRY, WE'RE OPERATING A LITTLE SLOW TODAY.

ITEM 15 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 0 6 5 0 1 EAST LOCUS.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 18.

ONE OVER ONE WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS.

STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH F.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE RETAINED AND REPAIRED.

UH, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN THE FOLDER FOR REVIEW FROM THE TOBIN HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.

UH, WE HAVE THE OWNER OF SHANE, UH, WOOL ROBB IN PERSON, AND THEN APPLICANT MATTHEW CARSON VIA WEBEX.

I'M, I'M WONDERING, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE PASS THESE OUT TO YOU? WE HAVE STOP YOU.

MARY'S, UH, ENTERTAINMENT STRIP.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, AS STATED, UH, MY NAME IS SHANE RABI, AND THIS IS MY WIFE IRENE.

UM, WE ARE, UM, WE'RE THE OWNERS OF 5 0 1 EAST LOCUST.

WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2016.

UH, SINCE THAT TIME IT HAS GONE THROUGH A, A COMPLETE RENOVATION, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

AND WE'VE PRIMARILY USED ADAPT, UM, ARCHITECTURE TO HELP US.

THE LAST PHASE OF THIS, UM, PROCESS WAS WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE GONNA BE THE EASIEST WAS THE WINDOWS IT TURNED, NOT SO MUCH.

SO, ANYWAY, LET ME QUICKLY ADDRESS THE POINTS THAT, UM, YOUR COMMITTEE OR THE, UM, THE, UH, O A H O H P, UH, STAFF, UM, CITED IN THIS.

AND, UM, THE FIRST THING, OH, I, I ALSO WANNA RECOMMEND OR ACKNOWLEDGE TOO THAT THE PROPERTY IS ONE BLOCK FROM, UM, THE ST.

SO PART OF THIS, UH, PROCESS TO PUT THE NEW WINDOWS IN HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO FOR SOUND OF MITIGATION, ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE IS, AS I WENT THROUGH THE, UM, THE FINDINGS BY O H P I DID, I DID MY OWN FACT CHECKING.

AND LIKE MOST THINGS, YOU CAN FIND, UH, TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY.

AND THAT WILL COME OUT IN HERE.

AND IT'S NOT TO, UM, DISREGARD THINGS, BUT IT'S ALSO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERYTHING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

UM, FIRST ONE ON THE CONDITIONS, THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS, UM, THE STAFF FOUND THAT THERE WERE MINIMAL, UH, REPAIR.

UH, THEY NEEDED MINIMAL REPAIR AND INTERVENTION SUCH AS SCRAPING AND REPAINTING OR REPLACING DAMAGED SAS CORDS, SASH CORDS.

UM, WE HAD THE WINDOWS, UH, INSPECTED AND FOR, AND TO REVIEW FOR REPAIR AND RESTORATION.

WE USED, UM, UH, STEVE QUILLEN AT WOOD WINDOW MAKEOVER, WHO IS KNOWN TO THIS GROUP AT AND ADAM OCHA OF OCHA AND SONS, UM, TO LOOK AT THIS ALONG WITH, UM, GETTING A, OR WORKING WITH HALLMARK CABINETRY THAT WE, UH, WE MET MR. JOHN HALL AT THE, UH, HISTORIC, UM, UH, FAIR, FAIR A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.

ONE OF, UM, THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THE, UH, STEVE QUILLEN FROM, UH, WOOD WINDOWS AND, UM, ADAM OCHA ALL AGREED THAT THE, THE MINIMAL THE, UH, DESCRIPTION THAT, UM, THE O H P INSPECTOR, UM, CITED WAS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY REVIEWED.

UM, WE LOOKED AT, SO THEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE COST.

AND I'VE LISTENED TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME UP HERE AND, UH, I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMITTEE THAT THE COST TO REPAIR OR RESTORE IS LESS THAN THE COST OF REPLACE THAT IS IN INCORRECT.

IN, IN OUR RESEARCH.

UH, WHAT WE FOUND THAT THE QUOTES ON THE AVERAGE QUOTE TO REPAIR AND RESTORE THE WINDOWS WAS $1,750 PER WINDOW.

UM, THE, UH, TO RE REPLACE OUR WINDOWS WITH THE O H P APPROVED PELLA ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOW, UM, IS $1,622.

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A POINT OF, UH, OF IMPORTANCE HERE IS THE HISTORIC EXTERIOR APPEARANCE IS UNAFFECTED WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF OUR WINDOWS BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, HISTORIC ONE, THE PROFILE OF THE WINDOW IS THE SAME.

AND TWO, WE HAVE THE HISTORIC, UM, SCREENS THAT MAKE IT INVISIBLE.

THE, THE FRAME STYLE.

SO THERE IS NO, NO APPEARANCE, UH, CHANGED TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.

UM, UH, LET'S SEE.

THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

UM, AND OUR WINDOWS SUPPORT THE SAN ANTONIO SUSTAINABILITY PROGRAM.

I'VE HEARD HERE A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT INCONSISTENCY, UH, IN DOING THE RESEARCH AFTER THE DENIAL, I FOUND THAT AS ONE, UM, ONE AREA THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONED IN THIS PROCESS.

UM, IN THE PROCESS, THE, UM, FINDINGS WERE THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, USING, UH, OTHER MEANS OF INSULATION.

SO PART OF OUR, UM, RETROFITTING OF THE HOUSE AND THE REDOING OF IT SINCE 2016, WE HAVE, UH, UTILIZED, UM, ADAPT.

AND WE HAD, UM, INSULATION, FOAM INSULATION INSTALLED INTO THE, INTO THE WALLS, INTO THE, UM, UH, FLOOR.

AND THEN WE'VE MADE A SEALED IN OUR ATTIC.

SO THIS IS A CONDITIONED SPACE WITH, UH, DEHUMIDIFIERS.

IT IS FIRST RATE.

UM, WE HAVE REPLACED ALL OF THE AC AND HEATING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS.

SO THE, AS I MENTIONED HERE, THE PHASE TWO OF THIS PROCESS WAS THE INSTALLATION OF, UH, LOW E, UM, DUAL PANED, UM, SOUND CONTROL WINDOWS.

UM, THE, UM, GAIN FROM THIS, UM, IS BETWEEN 30 AND 50%.

WE AGREE THAT, UM, THE PAYBACK PERIOD UNDER A NORMAL BUSINESS SENSE THAT I'M USED THREE TO FIVE YEARS, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PAYBACK TO US, IT'S ABOUT THE OTHER QUALITIES OF THE, OF THE WINDOWS.

THE CLEANLINESS.

AND MY WIFE WILL SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER, UM, THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT.

AND ESPECIALLY AS YOUR SENIOR CITIZENS, WE'RE NOT AS FIT AND FIDDLE TO DO SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT WE, UM, WERE DOING BEFORE.

THE, UH, OTHER PART OF THIS WAS THE SOUND CONTROL.

UM, BECAUSE THESE, UH, PILLOW WINDOWS AND THE ONES THAT WE'VE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO REPLACE IT WITH, HAVE A DUAL PANE, A SPECIAL SOUNDPROOFING.

UM, IT'S PRETTY UNIQUE, DIFFERENT THICKNESSES TO REDUCE THE SOUND, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE ST.

MARY'S AREA.

UH, FUNCTIONALITY, THE REPLACEMENT, UH, WINDOWS, THESE ARE EASIER TO OPEN AND CLOSE AND CLEAN.

UH, ONCE AGAIN, THE APPEARANCE, THERE IS NO APPEARANCE CHANGE FROM THE OUT THE OUTSIDE.

IT'S, UM, AND IT'S MINIMAL FOR US BECAUSE THIS IS A SASH REPLACEMENT.

SO THERE'S MINIMAL CHANGE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.

UM, MAINTENANCE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS REQUIRE LESS EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE AND HAVE LIFESPANS LIFE SPANS SIMILAR TO WOOD.

UH, I KNOW THAT THE O H P LITERATURE, UH, DEBUNKS THAT, AND THEY FOUGHT AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE CRIMINALIZATION OF, UH, RESTORING WINDOWS.

I THINK THAT'S REVERSE DISCRIMINATION WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO THE READING.

UM, LONGEVITY REPLACEMENT WINDOWS CAN BE REPAIRED AND WITH PROPER MAINTENANCE, SAME AS STIPULATION FOR HISTORIC WINDOWS, HAVE LIFESPANS OF DECADES.

UM, THE, I JUST FOUND PERSONALLY AS, UM, A BUSINESS PERSON, 45 YEARS IN BUSINESS, UH, THERE, THE, THE, THE DECIPHERING GUIDELINE WAS VERY ONE-SIDED.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE, WE'VE OWNED 11 HOUSES IN 46 YEARS, UH, SEVEN OF WHICH HAVE BEEN HISTORIC.

SO WE WERE VERY CONSCIOUS AND HAVE DONE OVER THE COURSE OF OUR TIME A LOT OF, UH, RE RESTORATION.

AND WE HAVE LOVINGLY DONE THAT TO THIS HOUSE.

BUT RESTORATION DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT.

THAT HAS TO BE HISTORIC.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE FURNACES THAT ARE COAL.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ENJOY, UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT GO ALONG WITH THE MODERNIZATION THAT DON'T AFFECT THE APPEARANCE.

AND THIS DOES THAT.

UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED HERE, THE 112 MILLION TONS OF OF WASTE WE HAVE, UH,

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CONTACTED JUST IN THE PRIOR ONES.

THERE'S, UH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, OUR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, UH, WILL NOT GO TO A LANDFILL.

WE HAVE FOUND PICKERS.

PARADISE HAS AGREED TO ACCEPT AND RESELL AND REUSE OUR, UH, OLD WINDOWS.

UH, AND, AND, AND WE'RE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT OR ANY OTHER PLACE THAT, UH, THE CITY HAS.

UM, IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE FOR IT FROM A VALUE STANDPOINT, THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE ENERGY EFFICIENT AND OF SUPERIOR SOUND CONTROL AND ARE LESS EXPENSIVE.

THIS ARGUMENT THAT, UM, THE REPAIRABILITY, UM, TO, TO, NOT TO BE FUNNY, BUT ANYTHING IS REPAIRABLE IF YOU SPEND ENOUGH MONEY AND TIME AT IT.

ALL THESE OLD WINDOWS, UH, WE BROUGHT OUR NEIGHBOR WHO IS A WOODWORKER.

UH, HE'S RESTORED HIS WINDOWS.

BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA SPEND 50 HOURS OF LABOR TO DO THAT, IT BECOMES, UH, IMPRACTICAL.

AND THEN YOU STILL DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE LOW E THE SOUND DEADENING THE DUAL, UH, PAIN FOR THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

SO AS A HOMEOWNER, YOU WOULD WANT YOU, AND IN A HISTORIC AREA, YOU WANT TO PRESERVE THE, THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE, BUT STILL HAVE IT SO THAT IT'S, IT'S UPDATED UHHUH AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY WIFE.

GIVING ANY GUARANTEE FOR THAT.

THIS IS JUST A, A SUMMARY AND I'M PROBABLY GONNA REITERATE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT SHANE SAID.

UM, I GUESS JUST MORE FROM MY, MY OWN PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WHEN THINKING ABOUT REASONS WHY OUR REPLACEMENT WINDOWS SHOULD BE APPROVED, THE NUMBER ONE THING IS THERE'S GONNA BE NO CHANGE TO THE OUTWARD APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE.

THE SAME HISTORIC CHARACTER IS GONNA BE THERE.

UM, NUMBER TWO, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING ADDED TO THE, UH, REEF, UM, LANDFILL.

I COULDN'T FIND THE NUMBER FOR THE SALVAGE AREA FOR THE CITY.

SO I CALLED OTHER PLACES AND THEY'RE VERY HAPPY TO ACCEPT OUR WINDOWS.

UM, WELL, IF YOU WOULD RATHER THEM TO GO TO THE CITY, WE'D RATHER THEM TO GO TO SOMEONE NEEDY THAN TO HAVE SOMEONE RESELL THEM.

BUT THEY DEFINITELY WOULD NOT GO TO A LANDFILL.

AS SHANE POINTED OUT, UM, WE'VE ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO, UM, INSULATE THE HOUSE.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL FRONTIER.

I KNOW THERE WAS AN ARTICLE FROM O H P THAT I BELIEVE COREY EDWARDS, UM, WROTE THAT SAID THERE WAS A 20 TO 25% SAVING IN ENERGY THROUGH WINDOWS AFTER YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, WE FOUND STATISTICS THAT SAY THAT PERCENTAGE IS EVEN HIGHER.

AND THAT'S FROM THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY.

THEY CITED 30 TO 50% SAVINGS, EITHER STATISTIC.

UM, IT'S GONNA SAVE ENERGY, AND THAT'S GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO SAN ANTONIO'S GOAL OF CARBON NEUTRALITY BY THE YEAR OF 2050.

AND I GOT THAT FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY'S WEBSITE.

UM, THEY MAKE THE ARGUMENT ABOUT OUR US NOT GETTING BACK THE MONEY THAT WE PUT INTO THE HOUSE.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S OUR MONEY.

SECOND OF ALL, WE LOOK AT IT AS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO SPEND.

IF IT'S GONNA HELP THE ENVIRONMENT.

WE THINK OF IT AS A GIFT TO OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS, SOME OF WHICH WHO LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO.

AND FOR THE OTHER KIDS THAT LIVE ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD, THAT IT'S A GIFT FOR THE, UM, FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE WORLD IN GENERAL.

UM, AND THEN I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SPEAK TO THE QUALITY OF MY LIFE, WHAT THESE NEW WINDOWS WOULD MEAN.

FIRST OF ALL, UM, THEY ARE REALLY DRAFTY.

I'VE GOTTEN UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUT OF THE SEVEN BEDROOM, UH, WINDOWS IN OUR BEDROOM, THAT THE WINDOW ISN'T OPEN.

SO DRAFTY SECOND.

UM, IT REALLY ANNOYS ME WITH THESE WINDOWS NOW THAT WE CAN'T OPEN, THAT I CAN'T CLEAN IN BETWEEN THE WINDOW AND THE HISTORIC SCREEN.

I SEE COBS, I SEE DIRT.

IT REALLY BUGS ME.

IT, THE NOISE IN THE BEDROOM REALLY IRKS ME.

'CAUSE THAT BASS AT THE MUSIC OF THE LIVE VENUES AT ST.

MARY'S STARTS JUST AS I'M GOING TO BED AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

UM, IF YOU SIT IN THE LIVING ROOM NEXT TO THE, THE, UM, WINDOWS, THE HE AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT, UM, APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT WORKERS SITTING BY THE WINDOWS.

IT FEELS LIKE AN OVEN.

IF YOU'RE SITTING THERE, THIS IS GONNA BE OUR FINAL RETIREMENT HOME.

WE'RE NOT MOVING AGAIN.

WE'VE BOUGHT NEW FURNITURE THAT FITS THE HOUSE.

I DON'T WANT THE UV LIGHT TO RUIN MY FURNITURE THAT I'VE PLACED THERE.

SO I KNOW O H P THINKS THAT REFURBISHING IS GONNA MITIGATE A LOT OF OUR COMPLAINTS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS EFFECTIVE AS A NEW WINDOW.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO.

AND, AND ALSO, AS FAR AS WARRANTIES GO, THE, WE HAD THE TWO PEOPLE THAT CAME TO OUR HOUSE SAID THAT THEY HAVE NO WARRANTY A WEEK AFTER THEY COME AND FIX OUR HOUSE.

IF WE CAN'T OPEN OUR WINDOWS, THAT'S, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT

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WE DO GET, UM, SHE CAN GIVE THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE WARRANTIES, BUT PELLA HAS A MUCH, UM, BED.

WELL, THEY HAVE A GOOD WARRANTY.

P PELLA HAS THE, THE LIFETIME WARRANTY.

UM, ON THE FRAMES, IT'S 10, IT'S 20 YEARS ON GLASS AND 10 YEARS ON THE, UH, HARDWARE THAT THINGS THAT MAKE, YOU KNOW, RETURN THE BLOCK TO HOUSE.

BUT IT'S JUST, THAT'S ANOTHER POINT THAT IN THE FAVOR OF WHY WE WANT, WHY THIS MAKES SENSE TO US, UH, GET ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE, AND I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT WHAT THE HISTORIC SOCIETY IS TRYING TO DO.

BUT IF WE'RE MEETING THOSE GUIDELINES, UM, AND WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT IMPACTING THE APPEARANCE, BUT IMPROVE OUR LIFE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF OUR HOME, UM, I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE SHOULD BE PREVENTED.

AND JUST BECAUSE I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT.

AND THIS REPAIR THING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ANYTHING CAN BE REPAIRED FOR ENOUGH MONEY.

BUT AS BUSINESS PEOPLE, AS CITIZENS, HOMEOWNERS YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TYPICALLY IF SOMETHING THAT COSTS YOU MORE THAN 50% TO REPAIR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING IT WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT.

AND THIS IS, YOU CAN TALK TO THESE GUYS, YOU WANT TO, I MEAN, THERE YOU'VE GOT A COTTAGE INDUSTRY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO DO WINDOW REPLACEMENTS.

I MEAN, THE RESTORATION THOUGH, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

IF YOU JUST WANT TO GET THE SASH TO GO UP AND DOWN AND DO SOME REPAINTING AS, UH, THEY MENTIONED IN THERE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT'S $700 A WINDOW.

THAT WAS THE CHEAP, THAT WAS ADAM.

UNLESS, AND THEN IF YOU TALK TO, UH, UM, JOHN HALL, HE SAYS, WELL, IF YOU'RE HANDY, YOU CAN JUST GET YOUR PUTTY KNIFE AND DO IT YOURSELF.

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE HAVEN'T SPENT THESE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN REHABBING THIS HOUSE, UH, TO MAKE IT OUR, UH, A REALLY A NEAT PLACE IN A GATHERING SPOT FOR OUR FAMILY TO, TO, TO PUT A LITTLE, TO COBBLE SOMETHING TOGETHER.

WELL, THE OTHER THING I, I WANTED TO ADD TOO, ABOUT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE COST OF REFURBISHING, IT DOES NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU STILL CAN'T TILT THE WINDOWS IN TO CLEAN THEM.

SO AT 65 AND 68 YEARS OLD, WE'RE NOT GETTING OUT ON A LADDER AND CLEANING THE OUTSIDE OF OUR WINDOWS.

WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ON A LADDER AND REPAINT THE EXTERIOR OF OUR WINDOWS EVERY FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT'S RECOMMENDED.

AND SO IF WE SPEND THE MONEY TO REFURBISH THEM FIVE TO EIGHT YEARS, IT'S GONNA BE PAINTED AGAIN ON THE OUTSIDE.

ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO OPEN THEM AFTER THAT? UM, AND HOW MUCH LABOR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMEONE TO PAINT 18 WINDOWS? UM, I THINK O H P HAS TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY LOOK AT THEIR, UM, THE COST, WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING, THE COST.

AND I THINK THEY REALLY NEED TO GET SOME REAL ESTIMATES BECAUSE THE FACT, THE STATEMENTS THAT BEING MADE THAT IT'S CHEAPER, IT'S NOT, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE TO DO IT, AND IT IS NOT CHEAPER.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING IS THE NEW WINDOWS WILL HAVE THE UV PROTECTION AND THE SOUND DEADENING.

UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE'D LIKE TO GET TO? COMMISSIONER? QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS NOW? GO AHEAD.

BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE THOROUGH PRESENTATION QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

QUESTIONS.

UM, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

CAN YOU SHOW IN THE PACKAGE, WHICH AN EXAMPLE OF WHICH WINDOW IS THE MOST DAMAGED THAT MIGHT COORDINATE WITH THE ESTIMATES THAT YOU'RE GETTING FOR REPAIR? AND TELL US WHAT THOSE, WHAT THAT DAMAGED WINDOW IS ABOUT.

THERE'S ONE IN THERE AND IT'S, THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT IF YOU PUT ENOUGH PAINT ON ANYTHING, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BOUGHT A USED CAR OR THERE'S PAINT ON EVERYTHING THAT, UH, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN THE INSPECTOR GOES IN, UM, THEY, THEY, UM, THEY SAID, OH, THIS, WE, THE, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN PAINTED, BUT THERE WAS, UM, OH GOSH, THERE IS A ONE THAT HAS DRAMATIC, I CAN, I CAN PULL UP THE WINDOW SCHEDULE AND YOU TELL ME WHICH WINDOW IT'S ON GILLESPIE.

SO IT'D BE THE WEST FACING MIDDLE WINDOW, KIND OF THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

THE SET HERE.

THAT'D BE IT.

THAT'S WINDOW SEVEN.

THAT WOULD BE THE MIDDLE.

AND CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WINDOW IN YOUR ESTIMATION? IT DOESN'T LOCK BECAUSE THE, UM, THE, THE SILL OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THE SASH IS COMPLETE ROTTED.

AND WE'VE HAD A NUM.

UH, THE OTHER INTERESTING THING IS THAT WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS, UM, THESE OLD WINDOWS HAVE, UH, OVER HALF OF THEM HAVE BEEN RE UH, REPAIRED OR REPLACED PREVIOUSLY.

UM, BUT THAT'S, I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PICTURE REALLY SHOWS

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THE, THE DAMAGE TO IT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

AND, BUT WE HAVE OUT OF THE 18, UH, FOUR DON'T LOCK, AND WE'VE HAD TO PUT BLOCKS UP.

SO IT'S, THERE'S A SAFETY COMPONENT TO THIS TOO.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT OF ALIGNMENT CLEARLY.

UM, AND THEN, UH, WHEN YOU DID THE REHAB ON YOUR HOUSE, UM, DID YOU GET A NEW FRONT DOOR AND DID YOU GET NEW SIDELIGHTS ALONG THE FRONT DOOR? YES.

AND ADEPT, DID THAT WORK? YEAH, WE HAD, UM, THERE WAS AN IMPROVEMENT TO OUR, OUR SCREEN PORT OR OUR SUNROOM.

WE HAVE NINE WINDOWS IN THERE.

THOSE WENT, I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FRONT DOOR.

AND THAT WAS PART OF THE, THAT WAS PART OF THAT REHAB.

AND WERE THE, ARE THE FRONT DOOR LIGHTS SIDELIGHTS, ARE THOSE INSULATED GLASS? OR ARE THOSE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL PRODUCT? UM, THE INTERESTING STORIES, UM, THE INITIAL ONE WAS, BUT THERE WAS A BREAK-IN AND WE HAD TO GET THE, THAT, UH, DOOR REPLACED QUICKLY AND THE REPLACEMENT DID NOT HAVE THE INSULATED GLASS.

OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? OH, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM.

NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, UM, BASED ON YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DESIRE AND YOUR PRINCIPLES ON THE, UM, THE EFFICACY OF REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, ET CETERA, WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING FOR REPLACEMENT OF ALL OF THE WINDOWS? IN ESSENCE, WE ARE THE NINE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN THAT ON THE, IF YOU ON THE SUNROOM, THOSE RE WERE REPLACED IN A 2020, UH, REMODEL THAT WE USED TO ADAPT.

AND THEY GOT, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO THOSE ARE, UM, DOUBLE PANED, UH, EVALUE, THE, THE WOOD REPLACEMENTS.

SO THIS WOULD COMPLETE THE WHOLE HOUSE.

SO THOSE, UH, NINE ON THE FRONT, THAT HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN A SCREENED IN PORCH THAT Y'ALL PUT IN WINDOWS.

IT WAS A, IT WAS ORIGINALLY, UM, BACK IN 1918, IT WAS A, IT WAS A SCREENED IN PORCH IN 1919.

THEY ENCLOSED IT AND THEY WERE PUT IN TWO WINDOWS IN THE FRONT AND ONE ON THE SIDE.

AND THEN IN THE PROCESS OF, OF OUR REHABBING, WANTED TO BRING IT BACK TO MORE OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONSIDERATION.

AND THAT'S WHEN WE, UH, APPROACHED THE O H C FOR THE APPROVAL TO, TO MAKE IT INTO A SUNROOM.

SO, AND I LOVE MY HISTORIC WINDOWS AND THE, THE WOOD, THE QUALITY, UM, THEY'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WINDOWS FOREVER, AND I UNDERSTAND YES, YOU HAVE TO PAINT THEM.

COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, I GUESS FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REQUEST BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND.

THE MOTION OKAY.

DISCUSSION? YEAH, I GUESS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT I NOTICED FROM YOUR PRESENTATION THAT WASN'T THERE ON THE, ON THE QUINCY PRESENTATION WAS KIND OF AN EYEOPENER, UH, IS THE FACT, IS THE COST FOR HAVING THEM REPAIRED AND REPLACED.

I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN, SEEN THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION.

UM, AND I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE, RIGHT? I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION AGREES WITH ME, BUT, AND I DON'T LIVE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT I DID MY WINDOWS THREE YEARS AND I DID 18 OF THEM.

AND I THINK IT WAS 5,500 FOR A LIFETIME GUARANTEE.

SIX MONTHS AFTER I HAD 'EM INSTALLED, MY KID BROKE ONE WITH THE, WITH THE ROCK.

THEY CAME AND REPLACED IT, NO QUESTIONS ASKED.

MY ENERGY BILL WENT DOWN BY 40%.

UH, AND AGAIN, I DO NOT LIVE IN A HISTORIC HOME.

I DON'T LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT LOOKING AT THE 30 K TO 60 K ESTIMATES THAT YOU HAVE FOR GETTING YOUR STUFF DONE, I THINK THAT'S JUST OBSCENE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M GONNA VOTE FOR YOUR, YOUR CASE.

AND IF I'D HAVE KNOWN THE COST WHEN I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE QUINCY HOUSE, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE, WELL, NO, ACTUALLY I VOTED, I VOTED THAT AND I VOTED FOR FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY DISCUSSION POINTS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GROUP.

AND, AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE I HAVE TO LEAVE, SO I JUST WANTED TO COME IN.

UM, I, I I, I'VE KIND OF ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT WITH WINDOWS ARE REPAIRABLE AND IT'S MORE A PREVIEW THING THAN COST OR ENERGY OR ANYTHING.

IT'S, THESE ARE HISTORIC WINDOWS.

AND I FEEL LIKE IF THEY ARE REPAIRABLE, I THINK STAFF DID A SITE VISIT, I CONSIDER REPAIR.

I DON'T SEE IN THE PICTURES ANYTHING.

I'VE SEEN WORSE CONDITIONS OF WINDOWS IN OTHER CASES IN, IN THAT WE'VE APPROVED REPAIRABLE OR REPLACEMENTS.

SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT.

ARE YOU MY, YOU KNOW, I, AND I LIVE IN A HISTORIC HOME AND I RESTORE 24 WINDOWS WITH NOT OVER ONE, OVER ONE.

THEY'RE LIKE THE ONE DIVIDED LIGHTS WITH LIKE 18 OVER 12.

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AND EVERY SIX YEARS I UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEMS. I JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM OUR PURVIEW STANDPOINT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, RETAINING HISTORIC ELEMENTS FROM THE HOME.

JUST ONE COMMENT ON THAT.

I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

IF OUR, IF THESE WERE SOMETHING OTHER THAN ONE OVER ONE, WE HAVE HAD HOMES, HISTORIC HOMES THAT HAVE HAD BEVEL, GLASS, MULTIPLE FRAMES AND GONE THROUGH ALL THAT RESTORATION AND LOVED IT.

IT WAS WELL WORTH IT.

THIS, THIS IS NOT A, THIS WAS AN OLD, PROBABLY NOT EVEN A, IT'S CRAFTSMAN STYLE.

IT'S NOT THE, UH, IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF QUALITY.

IT'S NOT A MANSION.

THESE ARE NOT ANYTHING SPECIAL WINDOWS.

OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE JUST, JUST A GENERAL REFLECTION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THESE, UM, HEARINGS ARE AIRED.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UH, PRESERVATION DISTRICTS AND HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN SAN ANTONIO.

AND IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, HELL BENT ON INCREASING THE JURISDICTION OF THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION.

PRESERVATION IS A GOOD THING.

BUT WHEN THE CITIZENS CONTEMPLATE, UH, WHETHER THEY WANNA LIVE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR WHETHER THEY WANT TO BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT, I THINK THESE APPLICANTS, UH, REALLY DO A GOOD, GIVE A GOOD DEMONSTRATION OF, OF WHAT IT REALLY IS TO, TO, TO TRY TO IMPROVE YOUR HOUSE OR, OR TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE RESTRICTIVE, UM, COVENANTS THAT YOU, YOU GET INTO WHEN, WHEN YOU SELECT TO BE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO JUST, JUST TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, OF THE TEACHABLE MOMENT FOR THE CITIZENS WHO GET TOLD THIS OR GET TOLD THAT.

THIS IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, UH, ARE FACED WITH.

WHAT SOME ARE VERY PROACTIVE ABOUT AND WHAT SOME, UH, JUST THINK IS OVERREACHING, UH, OF MY COMMENTS, SIR.

WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

GIBBS? NAYYY SAVINO NAYYY VELAZQUEZ, UH, PASS ZUKA.

I'M SORRY.

I NEED TO HEAR THE MOTION AGAIN.

MOTION WAS FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED APPROVAL.

SO APPROVAL TO REPLACE 18 WINDOWS CARPENTER.

NAY, UH, GROUP IS GONE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION.

MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UH, DENY THE REQUEST TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS AND TO ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS.

SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

A SECOND DISCUSSION.

WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

IF THERE'S ONE POSSIBLE IF I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

SO JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED BEFORE THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A REPLACEMENT, THOSE ARE NEWER WINDOWS, OR ARE THOSE PERIOD CORRECT? WINDOWS.

THEY'RE PERIOD.

THE, THE NINE THAT WERE REPLACED IN THE REMODEL ARE PERIOD.

AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO REPLACE THEM.

AND WHEN YOU SAY PERIOD, CORRECT? PERIOD CORRECT.

TO WHEN THE REMODEL WAS DONE OR PERIOD CORRECT.

TO WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT? I WOULD HAVE TO SAY YES.

THOSE RECEIVED, THOSE WERE REVIEWED BY, BY O H P AND H D R C AND APPROVED.

THAT WAS IN PREVIOUSLY AN ENCLOSED PORCH.

AND SO THAT MODIFICATION BROUGHT IT TO A MORE HISTORIC CONDITION, SOMETHING THAT BETTER REFLECTED THE HISTORY OF THAT SPACE.

OKAY, SO THEY, THE SAME DESIGN IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO REPLACE RIGHT NOW.

THEN, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

LIKE, LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION.

UH, IF, IF YOU HAVE A, UH, A TIE AND A TIE, WHAT OPTION DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE BEYOND THE H D R C?

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IF WE FAIL TO PASS A, A MOTION TODAY EXACTLY, IT'S A CONTINUANCE, AUTOMATIC CONTINUANCE.

YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU HAVE EVEN NUMBER OF MEMBERS PRESENT.

SO IT IS VERY LIKELY BASED ON THE ACTIONS THAT I'VE, I'VE SEEN TODAY, THAT YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME RESULTS.

SO YOU CAN EITHER CONTINUE THE CASE UNTIL YOU HAVE MORE THAN AN EVEN NUMBER OF MEMBERS PRESENT, WHERE YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION WHERE YOU COME TO A CONSENSUS.

NOW, ALMA, IF, UM, IF THE APPLICANT, UM, WITHDRAWALS AND GOES TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WOULD THEY SUPERSEDE US OR WOULD, WOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO APPEAL TO GO TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS? RIGHT.

THEY HAVE TO, THERE HAS TO BE A DECISION MADE BY THE H D R C BEFORE THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

UH, SO A A A FAIL OR A A TIE IS NOT A DECISION.

I MEAN, LIKE, COULD THE APPLICANT GO TO THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS AND SAY, WE HEARD ONE AND IT TIED AND THEN WE HEARD ANOTHER ONE AND IT TIED, SO WE QUICKLY WITHDREW AND WE'RE BRINGING IT TO THE TECH BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR INDECISION ON PART OF THE H C R C.

TECHNICALLY YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

CAN CONSIDER YOUR ACTIONS AND CON AND CONSIDER IT A DENIAL OF THE REQUEST.

COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION, A DIFFERENT MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS CASE, BUT ALSO TO INCLUDE A SITE VISIT SO THAT MORE OF US CAN HAVE EYES ON THE SPECIFIC WINDOWS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE WOULD LOVE.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU, YOU REFERRING TO THE COMMITTEE COMING OUT A D R C COMMITTEE? THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR SITE VISIT.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME OUT AND, UH, SEE THE HOUSE.

'CAUSE WE, WE LOVE THE PLACE.

AND THIS IS THE FINAL PIECE TO THAT.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, MIGHT PERSUADE ONE OF YOU, UM, TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE, WE WOULD, WE'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND AND A SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE.

NAYYY BAKER? AYE SIR.

AYE.

REFERRED TO TO A D R C, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE TIME AND THEN YOU WOULD BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING.

THAT SHOULD WORK FOR US.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, MR. CHAIR.

JUST TO, I THINK IT'S A POINT OF ORDER.

WE'RE NOT USING D R C RIGHT? WE'RE THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF LETTERS.

THIS WOULD BE A D R C 'CAUSE IT'S REFERRED TO BY THE COMMISSION.

BUT WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE NAME OF THAT.

THAT NO, IF THEY CAME TO, IF THEY WANTED A CONSULTATION BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY PUT IN A SUBMITTAL.

GOT YOU.

THAT IS THE PRE-SUBMIT CON CONSULTATION.

BUT THIS WOULD BE A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE.

AND MR. CHAIR, THE D R C IS NOT GOING TO DECIDE.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO A SITE VISIT AND THEN IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO THE NEXT H D R C FOR A FOR ACTION.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH ONE 11.

THE ADDRESS IS 4 71 FUR DRIVE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL ROWS OF RIVER ROCK THAT ARE THREE TO SIX INCHES WIDE IN THE FRONT YARD.

STAFFS RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF BORDER RIVER STONES BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL BORDER RIVER STONES THAT DO NOT EXCEED TWO INCHES IN SIZE.

THE OWNER KATHY HERNANDEZ, IS ATTENDING IN PERSON.

AND THERE IS ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW.

YES, MA'AM.

WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KATHY HERNANDEZ AND I LIVE AT 4 71 FUR.

WANT ME TO DO

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IT AGAIN? YES.

HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KATHY HERNANDEZ AND I LIVE AT 4 71 FUR IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE H T R C FOR WANTING TO ENSURE, UM, OUR PROPERTY'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ZEROSCAPE GUIDELINES.

HOWEVER, I'M NOT TRYING TO ZEROSCAPE MY PORTION OF THE YARD.

WHAT I WANNA DO IS I WANT TO LEAVE MY GRASS AND LANDSCAPING AND THE NATIVE PLANTS, WHICH ARE POLLINATORS AND SLIGHTLY MODIFIED THE FLOWER BED BY, INSTEAD OF USING TWO TO THREE INCH ROCKS AS A BORDER USING FOUR TO SIX INCH ROCKS.

AND WHAT I DID WAS I BROUGHT THESE TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE THE SIZE OF THE ROCKS AND KIND OF THE CHARACTER OF THE ROCKS.

SO YOU COULD VISUALLY SEE THEM IF YOU'D LIKE.

I CAN PASS THEM.

THIS IS THE FLAGSTONE, WHICH THE PATH IS, UM, IT'S ARIZONA SUNRISE.

THESE ARE THE PEBBLES THAT ARE KIND OF INSIDE.

THIS IS, UM, THE TWO TO FOUR INCH ROCKS.

SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS I WANTED TO, UM, FRAME THE FLOWERBED, UM, OR FLAME THE FLAGSTONES WITH THE FOUR TO SIX INCH ROCKS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, UM, LET'S SEE THE SECOND ONE THAT I SENT.

THERE YOU GO.

SEE ON THE, UM, RIGHT SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK IS, UM, I'LL CALL IT THE BOULEVARD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, AND HOW I'VE GOT IT FRAMED WITH THE FLAGSTONES AND THEN THE LARGER ROCK.

AND THEN INSIDE THAT LITTLE PATH, THERE ARE THE TWO TO TWO TO THREE INCH ROCKS.

NOW ABOUT 95% OF THOSE ROCKS INSIDE THAT AREA ARE THE TWO TO FOUR INCH SIZE ROCKS.

THE ONES THAT ARE FRAMING IT ARE THE FOUR TO SIX INCH, AND THAT REPRESENTS ROUGHLY ABOUT 5%.

I WANNA MIRROR THAT PATH WITH A SMALLER WALKWAY TO ACCENT IT SO THE PLANTS ARE NOT TRAMPLED.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS, OKAY, I'M SAVING A COUPLE STEPS BY SHORT CUTTING THROUGH MY PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING TO T TRAMPLE ON, ON, UM, PLANTS.

AND I JUST WANNA MIRROR THAT ONE SIDE OF THE PATH WITH THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHAT I'VE NOTICED IS SINCE I'VE DONE THIS TO MY PROPERTY, IT'S KIND OF ELEVATED, UM, THE LOOK OF NOT ONLY MY HOUSE BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE REQUESTED THAT I NOT ONLY ASK, OR THAT I NOT ONLY ASSIST THEM, BUT I HELP THEM DO IT OR, AND ESSENTIALLY DO IT FOR 'EM, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

I'LL MORE BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP 'EM.

BUT, UM, WHAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT I, I REALLY WANNA KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THAT, UM, ZERO ESCAPING IN THE FRONT AND THEN JUST ADD MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THEN LEAVE ALL THE PLANTS THERE AND TYPICALLY FILL A LITTLE BIT MORE IN QUESTIONS.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL.

EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

? YES.

THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 17.

THE ADDRESS 4 71 FUR DRIVE, H D R C CASE 2 0 2 3 DASH 11.

MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO, CHAIR OF MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND THE NINE MEMBER AND P N A BOARD OF DIRECTORS PO O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1.

WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR MAINTAINING THE FRONT OF THEIR HOME AND THEIR YARD AND FOR THEIR INVESTMENT INTO THEIR LANDSCAPING.

UH, WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS CASE.

WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE INCLUSION OF CLARIFICATION OF WHAT IS TO BE REMOVED TO ALLOW, UM, THIS DESIGN TO BE IMPLEMENTED OF CONCERN.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A CORNER AND A CORNER PROPERTY.

IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THERE IS A TEXAS SAGE BUSH ALONG THE CURB AND AT THE SIDEWALK, WHICH COULD BE AN OBSTRUCTION TO THE VISIBILITY WHILE APPROACH APPROACHING THE INTERSECTION OF FUR AND SHEAR.

WE JUST ASK FOR CONSIDERATION OF RIGHT OF WAY VIEW, AND ALSO FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE

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WE THANK YOU FOR THE INCLUSION OF OUR COMMENTS AND WE WISH THE APPLICANT THE BEST.

I CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM.

THAT, UM, THAT ISSA BUSH, I, UM, I'M PRETTY AGGRESSIVE IN MAINTAINING IT ALMOST ON A, A, A WEEK TO WEEK BASIS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT.

UM, LET ME, LET ME REEL BACK A LITTLE BIT.

THE CITY HAS IMPLEMENTED THE A D A SIDEWALKS, SO I'VE GOT, UM, AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, IT RAISED A LITTLE BIT OF THE ELEVATION, MEANING THAT THE SIDEWALK WENT, WENT DOWN AND THE ELEVATION OF MY PROPERTY WENT UP.

SO WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THE CSA GREW A LITTLE BIT TALLER, SO I HAD TO CUT IT DOWN AND I HAVE MAINTAINED IT PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY.

AND TO HER POINT ABOUT MAINTAINING IT, IT'S A FULL-TIME JOB.

, I MEAN, I HAVE A PERSON DOING THE, THE, UM, THE MAINTENANCE OF THE LAWN.

I HAVE A, AN ARBORIST MYSELF.

I'VE TAKEN CLASSES.

UM, THANKS.

THANK GOD FOR SASS.

'CAUSE SAS HAS THIS GREAT WEBSITE.

IT, IT KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS ALL THE NATIVE PLANTS, TALKS ABOUT HOW BIG THEY GROW, UM, PROVIDES SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THINGS THAT GROW IN THE SHADE VERSUS GROW IN THE SUN.

SO I'VE BEEN DOING PRETTY WELL AT MAINTAINING IT.

AND MY, MY PLAN MOVING FORWARD IS TO MAINTAIN IT.

THOSE PUS, I DON'T REALLY WANNA CUT THEM DOWN ANY LOWER BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A, AN ELEMENT OF PRIVACY.

I FEEL THAT IN THE SENSE THAT I AM A LITTLE, I AM A LITTLE EXPOSED.

SO, UM, THAT THOSE SINISA BUSHES PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I DON'T THINK THE SINISA BUSHES ARE IN THIS, THESE PICTURES.

OH, IS IT THAT ONE RIGHT THERE NUMBER? NO, NO, THEY'RE, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THIS PICTURE BECAUSE THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO DO IS WORK ON THE FRONT LANDSCAPING AND LOOKING AT THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE.

AND THEN ANOTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE MY HOUSE SERVES AS A TIPPING POINT.

I NOTICED THAT WHEN I'VE DONE THIS, SEVERAL NEIGHBORS HAVE ALSO STARTED TO, UM, REALLY TAKE IT UP A NOTCH, SO, OKAY.

QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, THANK YOU.

HI, CASEY.

HOW YOU DOING? GOOD.

UM, A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

THE, THE DISPUTE IT SEEMS LIKE BETWEEN YOU AND STAFF IS REALLY THE SIZE OF THE STONES, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING.

AND YOU'RE ONLY USING THE, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO USE THOSE LARGER STONES AS AN EDGE LINING LIKE WE SEE IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH, CORRECT.

AS A COMPLETE, UH, KIND OF PEBBLE FIELD, CORRECT? RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE USING VERY SELECTIVELY AND KIND OF A HIERARCHICALLY TO, TO ACCENT THOSE WALKS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

AND I, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

NO, I WAS GONNA SAY THOSE ROCKS ALSO KIND OF SERVE AS THE ANCHOR SO THAT THE PLANTS DON'T ENCROACH.

AND WHAT I'VE DONE IS PUT LANDSCAPING FABRIC AND SAND AND THE PEBBLES AND THEN, UM, SINK THE, UM, THE ARIZONA FLAGSTONE IN.

SO THOSE, THE BIGGER ROCKS ACTUALLY KIND OF SERVE AS AN ANCHOR AND THEY'RE NOT CEMENTED IN, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF, UM, PUT IN CAREFULLY.

SO, SO STAFF, GOING BACK TO, WHAT DID I INTERRUPT YOU? GOING BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER JUST MENTIONED, UM, THE TWO INCHES, UH, FACTOR, DOES THAT INCLUDE BORDERING OF THE SAID IT DOES, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES, UH, STIPULATE THAT ANY ROCK IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE YARD BE TWO INCHES OR LESS.

AND, AND THAT SERVES FOR THE ENTIRE YARD.

BUT FOR BORDER PORTIONS OF THAT TO KEEP, TO KEEP THE, THE SMALLER ROCKS IN, IT'S, IT'S NOT TO BE THAT MEANT TO BE THAT PRESCRIPTIVE.

I MEAN THE, THE GUIDELINES ARE THAT A WHOLE CELL REPLACEMENT OF LAWN WITH GRAVEL MULCH IS NOT RECOMMENDED AND SHOULD BE DONE LIKE IN SMALLER AREAS.

AND WHEN IT'S DONE, IT SHOULD BE KIND OF THIS TYPE OF MATERIAL VERSUS A LARGER ROCK.

THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY GUIDANCE.

SO I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THE TWO INCHES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE AREA MM-HMM.

, YOU'RE USING IT AS A BORDER, YOU'RE NOT USING IT.

EXACTLY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN, UM, BRIAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE? SEE ON THIS ONE OR THE, THE PRIOR ONE, ESSENTIALLY I'M JUST GONNA BE USING THAT BORDER ROCK, UM, AS THE BORDER.

SO NO OTHER, NO OTHER TWO INCH ROCK IS GONNA BE PUT ON THAT SIDE OF THE, THE, OF THE

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PROPERTY.

AND LET ME JUST MAKE LIKE KIND OF LITTLE SIDE POINT.

I THINK IT'S REALLY IRONIC THAT THE LIMITED, THE TWO, THE TWO INCH ROCK IS LIMITED WHEN I WAS EXCAVATING A LOT OF MY PROPERTY AND I FOUND ROCKS AS BIG AS LIKE SIX TO EIGHT INCH BOULDERS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE.

THEY'RE BELOW GROUND AND WE'RE LIMITED TO WHAT WE COULD PUT ABOVE GROUND.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF I MAY.

YES SIR.

I, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.

I'LL SECOND JUST WOULD ADD, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I WALK FOR ALMOST, UH, EVERY EVENING AND, AND SEE HER DILIGENTLY WORKING IN HER YARD HERE SHE IS PASSIONATE, PASSIONATE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.

UM, AND UM, I, I THINK WHAT SHE'S DOING THERE IS IN KEEPING WITH AND APPROPRIATE WITH IS IT'S PRETTY ECLECTIC ALONG FOR, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF LANDSCAPE TREATMENTS GOING ON.

AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TREATMENT.

SECOND STANCE.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES, MR. CHAIR? YES.

COMMISSIONER GIBBS.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT, MA'AM, THAT, UM, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BORDER, YOU KNOW, THE ROCKS, I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.

I MEAN, AND THE GUIDELINES ARE THAT THEY'RE JUST GUIDELINES MM-HMM.

AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, SHOWING US THE EXAMPLES AND THE PICTURES HERE, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT REALLY DOES, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT LOOK BETTER AND MAKES THAT CLEAR DELINEATION, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE TWO INCH THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND AND THEN UM, THE BORDER THAT YOU HAVE THERE IN PLACE.

SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THE MOTION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT.

UM, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I SHOULD HAVE ASKED IT EARLIER TO STAFF.

SO IF AN APPLICANT, A PROPERTY OWNER EXCAVATES A ROCK OR ROCKS, I MEAN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS IDENTICAL TO MINE AND I FIND SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SAY, ALLOWED DIMENSIONALLY, UM, CAN I USE THAT, MY LANDSCAPING? HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, SO THAT WOULD NEED H D R REVIEW OR H D R C REVIEW SINCE, UM, AGAIN, THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES STIPULATE ROCKS OF LESS THAN TWO INCHES.

UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ROCKS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BURIED UNDER THE, UM, UNDER THE GROUND.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS USED PRIOR TO LANDSCAPING OR IT'D JUST BE A UNDERGROUND SITE ELEMENT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS.

YEAH, THAT'S MORE OF WHAT I'M THINKING OF.

HOW DO WE, I MEAN IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, ESPECIALLY IN OUR, IN OUR LANDSCAPE AND WE WANT TO KEEP, UM, YOU KNOW, HARDSCAPES TO A MINIMUM, UM, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP SOME OF THESE VALUABLE MATERIALS ON SITE RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO OUT AND BUY IT NOW AND HAUL IT IN, TRUCK IT IN, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER.

BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT.

IF YOU DUG UP ENOUGH ROCKS TO FULLY REPLACE YOUR LAWN WITH THE ROCKS YOU DUG UP, THEN , THEN THAT COULD BE PROPOSED.

WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH, WE CAN REVIEW IT AND SEE THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION.

MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? OOPS.

AYE SAVINO AYE.

VELASQUEZ AYE.

MASUKA? AYE.

CARPENTER? AYE ES? YES, BAKER? AYE THAT SIR? AYE, MOTION CARRIES.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18 H G R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH NINE SIX.

ADDRESS IS 1123 WEST FRENCH PLACE.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A BACKYARD WOOD PRIVACY FENCE BETWEEN FIVE AND EIGHT FEET TALL.

AND TWO, INSTALL A WOOD PRIVACY GATE BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX FEET TALL ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO INSTALL A REAR WOOD PRIVACY FENCE BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH D WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT, THAT THE FENCE NOT EXCEED SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE PRIVACY GATE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C AND FINDING E THE APPLICANT MACARIO ESCAMILLA III IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY.

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SORRY ABOUT THAT.

GIMME ONE SECOND.

MR. ESCAMILLA, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? I WAS MUTED, I'M SORRY.

YES, YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

YES, IF YOU CAN SEE THE, THAT FENCE, THAT'S THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FRONT HOUSE, THE PHOTO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHERE THE GATE'S AT? THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

WELL, CURRENTLY MY NEIGHBORS TO THE LEFT OF ME AND, AND SO FORTH, DOWN, SINCE IT'S NOT A HISTORICAL AREA, JUST THAT HISTORICAL HOME.

THEY'RE ALL EIGHT FOOT FENCES ACROSS THE LEFT OF ME.

THE ONLY HOUSE THE RIGHT OF ME, WHICH IS AN, A HOUSE THAT A CURRENTLY MAN PASSED AWAY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WHICH FORMERLY OWNED THE PROPERTY THAT I'M, THAT 1123 WEST FRENCH.

UM, WELL, HE HAS A YARD ABOUT, WITH EIGHT VEHICLES IN THE BACK AND POWERED UP FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WITH MACHINERY, METALS, DOGS, CATS, ALL SORTS OF EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND IN THAT CASE, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, THE FENCE THAT IS REQUIRED, THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING, UM, THAT IT'S FIVE FEET IS NOT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

SO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS WHERE THE RIGHTS OF THE FENCE IS, WHERE THEY HAVE THE SWINGING GATES.

AND IF YOU CAN SEE, I DID A VICTORIAN, SEE THAT'S THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, THE BACK RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

SO IT'S NOT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

THAT'S THE EDGE OF THE HOME IN THE BACK.

UM, AND THAT'S FOUR FEET, EIGHT.

AND I DID A VICTORIAN, GETS A VICTORIAN HOME, AND I WANTED TO DO A VICTORIAN STYLE FENCE.

SO THAT'S WHY I MATCHED THE FENCE TO, TO KIND OF MATCH THE ARROW OF THE HOME.

SO, UM, I KNOW THE, THAT BEING SAID, THAT I, I BELIEVE CAN BE IF IT WAS STANDARD UP TO SIX FEET IN THAT AREA.

THAT IS 30 FEET IN THE BACKYARD.

SEE, THAT'S THE SAME THING ON, ON THE SIDE AS THE RIGHT SIDE.

NOW IF YOU LOOK AT, THAT'S THE RISE OF THE FENCE AND THERE'S WHERE THE, THE, THE PEOPLE HAVE ALL THE JUNK TO THE RIGHT.

AND IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER PHOTOS TO THE LEFT, I JUST KEPT THE SAME PATTERN WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORS.

CAN YOU SEE THE ONE WITH THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORS? IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE FENCE TO MY LEFT, EVERYONE TO MY LEFT HAS EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

THERE SHOULD BE, CAN'T SEE THE PHOTO.

NO.

YEAH, THAT PHOTO.

NO, IT'S THAT.

BUT THE OTHER SIDE, I SENT IT IN AND IT SHOWS THE NEIGHBOR'S HAVING AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

NOT THAT ONE.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME ALRIGHT? WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR THAT PHOTO YOU'RE REFERENCING.

YES, I THINK WE CAN SEE IT.

YEAH, THAT'S IT.

SO RIGHT THERE, MOVING FORWARD, ALL THOSE HOUSES WHICH ARE NON HISTORIC, ALL HAVE EIGHT FOOT FENCES.

AND I TELL YOU WHY.

AND IN THE BACK AS ONE, THE ALLEY, THERE'S BEEN A TOTAL OF EIGHT FIRES HAVE BEEN STARTED BY HOMELESS AND THIS HOUSE BEFORE, THE FENCE HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO THREE TIMES.

AND THEN WITH FURNITURE IN IT AS WELL, WHICH THEY SLOW AND WERE ABLE TO GET BACK ALL BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE PRIVACY FENCE IN THE BACKYARD, NOT, WE HAD A SHORT FENCE, LIKE A TEMPORARY FENCE.

AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO PUT THE BIGGER FENCE.

AND SINCE THAT, THAT TIME, WE HAVE HAD ZERO ISSUES.

UH, IT WOULD'VE LOOK FUNNY IF WE WOULD'VE PUT A STANDARD SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE BACK AND RIGHT WHEN TO THE LEFT SIDE OF MY BACKYARD, IT'S EIGHT FOOT.

AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS FROM THERE ON, WHICH ARE ON NEW, I GUESS THEY'RE, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION, THEIR BURN AND, SORRY, UM, DEMOLISHED AND THEN BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP ALL TO THE LEFT SIDE OF ME, TWO OR THREE HOMES, FOUR HOMES IN A ROW, I BELIEVE.

AND THEN IT'S MINE, WHICH IS THE ONLY HISTORICAL HOME ON THE BLOCK.

AND THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH I'M IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING RIGHT NOW, UH, WHICH IS JUST A JUNK YARD CURRENTLY 'CAUSE A MAN PASSED AWAY.

ARE THE KIDS, AND NOW THE AREA PROPERTY, UM, JUST TO HELP THEM DESIGNATE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ISSUES OF, OF PEOPLE TAKING METAL AND SCRAP METAL AND VEHICLES IN THE BACK.

UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

IS FOR THE APPLICANT, WOULD, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT THE CHANGE IN HEIGHT IS, IS IS REALLY MORE RELATED TO THE CHANGE IN GRADE OF YOUR PROPERTY WITH RESPECT TO WHAT YOU SEE OVER THE FENCE IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE HIGHER? ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S VEHICLES AND STUFF STACKED ON TOP OF THE VEHICLES AND THEN IN THE BACKYARD AS WELL.

UM, YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THINGS IN THE BACKYARD MEAN OVERGROWN, THE PROPERTY, OVERGROWN, UM, BRUSH AND TREES IN THE BACKYARD, WHICH I WENT BACK THERE AND HAD TO GET UNSTUCK MYSELF TO KEEP THAT FROM, UM, GROW OVER GOING TO MY PROPERTY.

BUT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, EVEN WITH A SIX FOOT FENCE, THERE IS A, A LARGE AMOUNT OF ITEMS WHICH CAN BE SEEN.

I MEAN, IT'S FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, THEY HAVE GARAGE SHED.

UM, IT IS FILLED.

YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK BACK THERE.

I'VE DONE SOME GOOD DEED MYSELF WITH MY GUYS AND HELPED THEM ORGANIZE A OUTTA THE BACKYARD, WHICH

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BUT IT IS A WAR ZONE BACK THERE.

RIGHTS WHERE THE RED SHEDS AT THE WHITE SHEDS.

UH, QUESTION MR. ESCAMILLA IN PHOTO THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW, UH, THE EIGHT FOOT SECTION, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT STEPS DOWN AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, DOES THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE GET SHORTER? IT IT, IT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT GET SHORTER ON THAT PART? YES, BECAUSE THERE'S A TREE RIGHT THERE.

SO I WENT AROUND THE TREE AND THEN THE, THE, THE GROUND DROPS TREMENDOUSLY IN THE BACK, WHICH IS ALL CEMENT CEMENT.

SO I WENT ALONG TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DROPS RIGHT THERE ABOUT, ABOUT EVEN SIX INCHES.

AT THE VERY BACK CORNER.

HOW TALL WOULD YOU SAY THE FENCE IS? IT'S PROBABLY THE BACK CORNER RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S AT LEAST SEVEN AND A HALF FEET.

SEVEN FEET.

BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE BACK FENCE, IF YOU DON'T MIND THE, WITH THE MEASUREMENTS OF MY BACK FENCE, UH, NO.

THE NEXT PICTURE, YES, THAT'S EIGHT FEET.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DROP, YOU SEE WHERE IT DROPS RIGHT THERE.

IT'S EVEN WITH THE OTHER CORNER, IT'S PROBABLY SEVEN AND A HALF IF THAT.

AND IT'S BECAUSE LOOK AT THE WAY THE LOT DROPS, THE CEMENT.

AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOTTOM WAS FILLED AND EVEN OF COURSE, ACROSS, UM, THE LOT LINE BECAUSE THE CEMENT AND, AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.

OTHER QUESTIONS? HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET A NEW NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR THAT WILL CLEAN UP HIS CAR.

YEAH, SO I'M CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS.

I GOT THREE, UM, THREE OUT OF FOUR ERRORS THAT SET YES.

TO BE, UH, WITH THE OFFER I MEANT ON THE PROPERTY.

SO I'M, I GOT ONE MORE THAT'S NOT IN TOWN THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR HIS ANSWER.

UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, UM, YEAH, IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT INSIDE THEY KEEP THE RADIO ON AND ELECTRICITY AND THEY HAVE CAMERAS NOW, THANK GOSH.

BUT, UM, IT, IT'S A, IT IS NEXT.

THAT'S A COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS A LAUNDROMAT, WHICH IS NOW A REASON WHY AS WELL.

YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE FRONT OF BACKYARD AND WOULD STEP INTO THE FRONT YARD FROM THE FRONT YARD TO THE BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE.

SO I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT FIVE FOOT FENCE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE BACK TOWARDS THE FRONT BECAUSE IT'S A WRAPAROUND STEROID.

SO WHEN YOU WRAP AROUND, THERE'S NO POINT OF HAVING A FENCE TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHEN YOU CAN GET ON FROM THE FRONT OF THE PORCH, WALK ACROSS, DOWN TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND NOW WE'D BE IN THE BACKYARD AND IT KIND OF ELIMINATES THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A, A WRAPAROUND PORCH.

SO THAT'S WHY I PUT THE FENCE IN THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE.

SO IF YOU GET OFF THE STEPS, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE STILL IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THE NEXT, YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT PHOTO, LEMME SEE PHOTO NUMBER NINE.

PHOTO NUMBER NINE SHOWS THAT MR. CHAIR QUESTION FOR STAFF QUEZ, UH, IS, IS THERE, I KNOW THAT THE PICTURES ARE HERE, BUT JUST WANNA ASK YOU, ARE THERE ANY ELEMENTS OF THE FENCE THAT GO BEYOND THE FOREMOST UH, ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE? FRONT TO THE FRONT? NO, SIR.

UH, NO, NO PART OF THE FENCE, UH, GOES PAST THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HOME SIDE OF THE HOME OR THE PORCH? NO.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

I, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, BUT MR. MISS ESCAMILLA IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE FENCE OR THE FENCE ON THE EAST SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY ADJOINING YOUR NEIGHBOR.

ARE YOU ALSO REQUESTING AN EIGHT FOOT FOR THAT PORTION? NO, I NEVER TOUCHED THAT FENCE WHATSOEVER.

IT, I USED THEIR FENCE AS LIKE MY FENCE LINE.

OKAY, SO IT'S ONLY THE REAR PANEL OR THE REAR LENGTH RIGHT THERE WHERE IT STARTS.

THAT, THAT'S THE ALLEYWAY.

AND IT'S HALFWAY THROUGH THE BACKYARD.

SO THAT FENCE STARTS ON THE, THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKYARD TO THE RIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A SHED TO THE LEFT OF THAT.

WELL, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH ENABLES THE FENCE TO EXCEED SIX FEET IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THE GRAPHICS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT EXCEED SIX FEET.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION.

HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

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WE'LL FIRST BE HEARING AGENDA ITEM 11 THAT WAS POSTPONED EARLIER.

OH, IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR CASE NUMBER 11 AT 3 0 5 LAVACCA? YES.

THEY'RE HERE IN PERSON, SO IT'S MY BAD.

AGENDA ITEM 11, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 5 7 7 3 0 5 LAVACCA.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONDU TO CONSTRUCT TWO, TWO-STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND ONE TWO-STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURE AT 3 0 5.

LAVACCA STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS.

A THROUGH DD STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

THERE ARE 10 STIPULATIONS AND IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, I'LL SUMMARIZE THOSE.

MANY ARE STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING PROVIDING A SETBACK DIAGRAM AND HEIGHT DIAGRAM, UM, SHOWING THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES IN RELATION TO NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE MASSING OF UNIT THREE, THE TWO STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURE AND SEPARATES THE BUILDING MASSING INTO DISTINGUISHABLE ARCHITECTURAL BAYS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE MASSING OF THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOWS THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SILL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE CANTILEVERED BALCONIES ON THE REAR OF UNITS ONE AND TWO SO THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DETAILS FOR PROPOSED PORCH COLUMNS AND RAILINGS.

AND THAT THE FRONT PORCH OF THE DUPLEX STRUCTURE SHOULD BE SIMILAR IN DIMENSIONS AND FORM AS THOSE FOUND ON HISTORIC BUILDINGS WITHIN THE ESTABLISHED CONTEXT AREA THAT THE FRONT WALKWAY IS MATCHED.

THE FRONT WALKWAY MATERIALS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT, AND THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY'S ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE.

AND THE APPLICANT TIM ROGERS IS WITH WITH US IN PERSON WITH THE OWNER.

UM, ANTHONY PEARSON.

HI, I'M UH, TONY PEARSON.

IT'S MY FIRST TIME HERE, SO Y'ALL FORGIVE ME IF I DON'T DO SOMETHING APPROPRIATE.

UH, I BOUGHT THIS PROJECT, UH, IT HAD GONE THROUGH Y'ALL.

I THINK Y'ALL HAVE ALL SEEN A VARIATION OF IT.

AND I BOUGHT IT, UH, FOUR OR FIVE, SIX MONTHS AGO.

AND, UH, MET WITH RACHEL AND SHE KIND OF GUIDED US WHAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING AND I CAN SEE 'EM WHEN I SAW THE, THE PLANS THAT Y'ALL HAVE SEEN.

UM, WE'VE GONE BACK, WE'VE TAKEN IT TO TWO SINGLE FAMILIES.

WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT AS TWO PROJECTS NOW.

TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON LAVACCA.

UM, WE DIDN'T PUT A CURB CUT THERE BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY HAS A PRETTY GOOD STREET WITH VERY FEW CURB CUTS.

I THINK THERE'S ONE CURB CUT, UH, FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES DOWN, AND THEN THERE'S A CURB CUT AT THE VERY END OF THE STREET THAT IS NOT USED.

IT'S A LADY HAS A FENCE OFF.

SO WE DECIDED TO APPEAL TO THE LAVACCA NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE OF IT, THE STREET, AND MATCHED WITH TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

UM, THE BACKSIDE IS GARFIELD ALLEY.

UH, WE'VE GOT A DUPLEX THERE.

UH, WE HAVE MET WITH RACHEL AND I THINK, UH, THREE OF THE MEMBERS LAST WEEK.

UH, WE, WE WERE ON A CALL WITH AND, UH, THEY RECOMMENDED REDUCING THE MASSING AND WE'VE MOVED THE MASSING BACK ON THE, THE DUPLEX TO MAKE IT, UH, WE'VE SET IT BACK THE SECOND FLOOR TO HOPEFULLY REDUCE THE MASS.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO ANY INPUT.

WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL AND THEN THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UM, UPDATES TO THEIR PROPOSAL THAT WAS PUBLISHED WITH THE AGENDA THAT WE CAN SHOW AS WELL.

I'LL PLAY THE VOICEMAIL NOW.

I, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM.

THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 11.

THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO'S SUPPORTS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN.

THE MASS OF THE REAR DUPLEX STRUCTURE FACING GARFIELD ALLEY NEEDS TO BE

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REDUCED.

ALSO, UNITS ONE AND TWO MUST BE SEPARATED BY ENOUGH SPACE TO MEET SETBACK STANDARDS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

ANY COMMENTS ON THE VOICEMAIL? UH, I THINK, UH, THE SET, THE, THE, THE NEW PLANS WE SUBMITTED HAVE THE, THE MASSING OF THE BACK, UH, MUCH SMALLER TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE GARFIELD ALLEY.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS TO SETBACKS.

IS THAT RIGHT? I BELIEVE THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE FRONT TWO HOUSES TO MEET, UH, SET, UH, IT IS TO CODE, YES.

CODE.

IT DOES MEET CODE, YES.

YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING UP THE LATEST DRAWINGS.

THEY ARE LOADING NOW.

THE COMPUTER'S A LITTLE SLOWER THAN WE'RE USED TO.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

MAY I YES.

PROBE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.

WHAT IS THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO STRUCTURES? UH, THREE FEET.

AND YOU'RE ACHIEVING THAT THROUGH THE FIRE RATING OF THE, OF THE UH, THE WALLS? YES, BECAUSE USUALLY IT'S FIVE FEET FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AS THE SEPARATIONS REQUIRED.

UH, THAT THIS IS, UH, THE TWO UNITS IN BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES UP FRONT.

IT'S THREE FEET BETWEEN 'EM.

WE STILL HAVE THE FIVE FOOT SETBACKS ON THE SIDES.

BUT, UH, IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU USUALLY HAVE TO HAVE FIVE FEET OFF OF THAT PROPERTY LINE, BOTH DIRECTIONS.

IT'S, IT'S THREE.

I VERIFIED IT.

AND IT DOES CALL FOR STRINGENT FIREWALL, WHICH WE WILL DO.

UH, AND YOU MIGHT ALSO LOOK INTO THE FIRE RATING OF YOUR O YOUR EASE AND OVERHANGS AS WELL.

'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT GETS, THAT'S WHY WE SWITCHED TO A METAL ROOF ALSO.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR COMPUTERS, UH, WITH STAFF ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LATEST DRAWINGS.

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NOT FULLY.

UM, SOME OF THE DRAWINGS WERE SUBMITTED DURING THE HEARING THIS EVENING.

SOME WERE SUBMITTED EARLIER TODAY.

SO THOSE ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL FOLDER THAT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN ACCESS.

UM, SO YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES THERE.

UH, MR. CHAIR NOW FOR STAFF WITH, WITH RESPECT TO, WITH SAY ONE, TWO, AND THREE UNDER YOUR, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THAT PART OF THE NEW PACKAGE? I BELIEVE THAT'S FOR THE SETBACK DIAGRAMS AND HEIGHT DIAGRAMS. AND LET ME LOOK REALLY QUICK.

I BELIEVE ONE AND TWO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED WITH NEW DIAGRAMS. OKAY.

AND THERE HAS BEEN A UPDATE TO THE FRONT PORCH OF UNIT THREE, THE TWO STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURE SHOWING THAT IT'S A ONE STORY FRONT PORCH.

A PREMIUM WHEN, AND THAT WAS WHY THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS TO BE A, A DUPLEX UNIT UP FRONT.

SO THAT HAS REDUCED THE MASSING.

WELL, UH, MR. CHAIR, JUST, JUST IN FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, OF, UH, I GUESS CONTINUITY OR AT LEAST ESTABLISHING WHAT OUR CONCEPTUAL PRECEDENT IS, IS, AND I DON'T MEAN IT IN THE, YOU KNOW, SETTING A PRECEDENT WAY.

I MEAN MORE IN TERMS OF REVIEW, THAT WE PROBABLY REALLY SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED WITH 1, 2, 3 AND ONE, TWO AND THREE.

AND IF, IF MASSING MEANS THE BOX, RIGHT? 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY TECHNOLOGY GIVES US ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE VERY DETAILED.

RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU HAVE VERY DETAILED DRAWINGS, UH, WHICH I THINK GO BEYOND A CONCEPTUAL.

SO IT'S GOOD FOR STAFF TO BE NOTING THE WINDOWS FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT CONSIDERATION.

BUT, UM, IT SEEMS THAT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS LIKE MORE LIKE FINAL KIND OF STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT ARE, SIR.

I HAVE, WELL, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, I, I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE, ARE YOU COMMISSIONER VASQUEZ? WERE YOU, WERE YOU DONE? WERE YOU DONE? OKAY.

FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, HAVING HIM THREE FEET APART, WHY WE, UH, NOT, NOT BECAUSE THE CODE LETS YOU, I'M LOOKING AT A DESIGN DESIGN STANDPOINT.

SO WHAT, WHAT WE DID WAS, ORIGINALLY THE PLAN THEY WERE HAD SUBMITTED BEFORE WAS A DUPLEX UP FRONT ALSO.

AND IT FELT MORE, UH, CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.

SO ONE OF 'EM IS PRETTY NARROW.

AND SO THE FUNCTION, THE THREE FEET IS, IS, UH, IS TO MAKE THE TWO HOUSES FUNCTIONABLE.

THE FLOOR PLANS THEMSELVES.

SO ONE UNIT'S 20 FOOT WIDE AND ONE UNIT'S 24 FOOT WIDE.

SO SPACE IS AT

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BUT AFTER REVIEWING WITH THE COMMISSION, WE WERE RE IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO GO TO TWO SINGLE FAMILY.

AND WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO SC I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WHY I UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHY THREE FEET AND NOT FIVE FEET.

BUT WE COULDN'T MAKE THE PLAN INSIDE WORK WITH THREE FEET OR WITH FIVE FEET.

AND WE FELT IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE TWO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES THAN PUT 'EM TOGETHER.

IT LOOKED TO, AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT IT LOOKED BETTER.

AND, AND HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I'M SURE IT'S IN THERE.

I JUST, I'M GONNA ASK YOU SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO DIG THROUGH IT.

BUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET PER, PER STRUCTURE INSIDE, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T REMEMBER.

IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY ROUGH.

YOU KNOW WHAT, 20 2020 BY 40 1600? YEAH.

SO LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION AND LOOKING AT THE, YOUR, YOUR, UM, WANTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR THIS, AM I TO ASSUME THAT YOUR LATE SUBMITTAL THAT YOU HAVE HERE ADDRESSES ALL OF THE, UM, ALL THE STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF? OR ARE YOU STILL YES, YES.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

SO, ALRIGHT.

AGAIN, THE, THE SQUARE FOOT ISSUE IS ALSO AN ECONOMIC ISSUE.

WE'RE BECAUSE OF THE, THE SETBACKS, THE STEP BACKS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING SO MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH WE'D LOVE TO HAVE.

I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK EVERYWHERE IN LA VACA, THERE'S BOX DESIGNS EVERYWHERE.

WE WERE TOLD WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE REFLECTIVE OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT THAT COST US AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND WITH THE PRICE OF PROPERTY IN THIS AREA, YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAXIMIZE ECONOMICALLY YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHY WE, WE HESITATE TO GO ABOVE THE THREE FOOT.

WOULD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME BE BETTER SUITED FOR THAT LOT? WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? STAFF? THE LOT.

THE LOT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I BELIEVE, UH, IN THE FIRST FINDING, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A STRUCTURE THERE.

UM, LET ME LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.

I BELIEVE IT.

THE STAFF PRODUCT SAYS IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, BUILT CIRCA 1910 AND REFERENCED IN THE 1912 SANBORN MAP.

BUT THAT'S 110 YEARS AGO, CORRECT? YEAH, AFTER MY LIFE.

MR. WITH YOUR PERMISSION, IF WE'RE IN, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION RIGHT? BUT WE'RE IN DISCUSSING 'CAUSE WE'RE WAITING FOR SOMETHING.

WELL, I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS, BUT STILL, UH, ACCEPTING QUESTIONS.

UH, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, THE SITE PLAN, IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UM, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS LOT IS OPERATING RIGHT NOW.

SURE.

WHAT IS IT ZONED AS? R RMM FOUR.

SO YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE UNITS ON THERE.

UM, MY QUESTION IS THE, I GUESS IT'S THE LARGER DUPLEX, THE LARGER VOLUME THAT YOU RECENTLY REVISED.

UM, IS THAT, WILL THAT HAVE A GARFIELD ALLEY A UM, ACCESS AND ADDRESS? YES.

THAT IS TO BE, THAT'S WHERE THE CURB CUT IS ON, IS ON GARFIELD ALLEY.

THERE NO CURB CUT ON THE FRONT.

AND THE ADDRESS FOR THOSE UNITS WILL BE ON GARFIELD CORRECT.

ALLEY ALSO.

UM, SO EVEN THOUGH THE CARS FOR LAVACCA ARE COMING IN THROUGH THAT SAME WAY.

SO IT'S SORT OF A SHARED EASEMENT KIND.

IT'S OF RELATIONSHIP.

UM, SO YOU'RE NOT SUBDIVIDING OR REPLANTING THE PROPERTY? NO.

AT ALL.

UM, ONE THING THAT I, UM, SO NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT I WASN'T SURE IF IT WAS ALL ADDRESSED TO LAVACCA AND SUDDENLY THE PEOPLE ON GARFIELD ALLEY HAD NO WAY TO GET TO THEIR UNITS ON THE ADDRESSED STREET.

SO, SO YOU'VE CLARIFIED THAT.

YOU'VE CLARIFIED THAT.

UM, IN CASE LIKE THIS, WHERE WE HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS SO DIFFERENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, CAN WE WAIT FOR DISCUSSION? OH, SORRY.

QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

SO MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT HOW THAT WAS BEING ADDRESSED.

SO, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

THANK YOU FOR STOPPING ME.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

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YES, PLEASE.

UM, NOW THIS IS TO ENGAGE DIALOGUE, RIGHT? SO YES, SIR.

MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS.

IS THAT THE LATEST DOCUMENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW OR THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS? IT'S SEEING THE DOCUMENTS THAT I HAVE IN THE P D F THAT'S PROVIDED TO COMMISSIONERS.

SO THE, NOT, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE ORIGINAL, NOT THAT THESE LATEST DRAWINGS.

BUT THIS, SO WE CAN GET INTO DIALOGUE MORE THAN ANYTHING.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ON THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL DRAWINGS.

UM, AND I'LL JUST ADD ONE POINT OF CONCERN WITH THE MOTION IS THAT ONE OF STAFF'S STIPULATIONS WAS ABOUT REDUCING THE MASSING.

UM, AND I THINK WE WOULD NEED MORE, OR I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE APPLICANT TO HAVE MORE DIRECTION ON WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THEM WHEN COMING BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

WELL, CO CORY, WHAT I'M HOPING IS THAT ONCE WE GET INTO DIALOGUE, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, UM, AMENDED AMENDMENTS TO THE MOTION OR THE, THE ABILITY TO PULL, PULL A MOTION AND MAKE ANOTHER MOTION, BUT THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE THE DOCUMENT IS PRESENTED TO US IS VERY DETAILED, IS QUITE BEYOND CONCEPTUAL.

SO WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS REALLY WHAT THE CONVERSATION HAS TO BE ABOUT IN A WAY.

UM, SO THERE WE'RE KIND OF NOT IN OR OUT.

I, I WILL SECOND AND I WILL ADD THAT I DID A SITE VISIT WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP AT THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT'S.

SO NOW DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ.

WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO HAVE A, A, A CONVERSATION, UH, UH, THAT'S CONCEPTUAL WHEN THE SO MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT TO IN ANY WAY, UH, UH, SPEAK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT MORE ABOUT THE, THE WAY THAT THE NEW TRENDS IN DEVELOPMENT ARE GOING.

RIGHT? SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

LIKE FOR ME, I, I, I GREW UP IN THE INDUSTRY AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE DONE TODAY THAT I, I'M, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF ODD TO ME BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WERE, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

SO WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS, THEY'RE THREE FEET APART FROM EACH OTHER.

FOR ME THAT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD EVER BRING BEFORE THE CITY BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER THINK THAT IT WOULD PASS.

BUT I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, THAT'S ALL A QUESTION OF FIRE, UM, UH, CONSTRUCTION.

SO LIKE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IF, IF YOU KNOW THE RULES OF FIRE, RIGHT? UM, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WATERSHED, UM, FIRE IN THE SENSE THAT WHAT IF A, HOW DO YOU GET A FIRE HOSE THROUGH THERE? UM, OR, YOU KNOW, KEEP GETTING STUCK IN BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS 'CAUSE THEY'RE PLAYING OR I, I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, ALL ALL THE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR WHY YOU WOULD PUT TWO BUILDINGS CLOSE TOGETHER IF YOU WERE NOT GONNA SELL 'EM.

IF YOU WERE GONNA SELL 'EM, THEN I WOULD THINK, OKAY, YOU'RE GAMBLING THAT YOU CAN GET A ONE AND ONE AND A HALF FOOT.

OR LET'S JUST SAY THAT ONE GETS A ZERO LOT LINE AND THE OTHER ONE GETS A THREE FOOT LOT LINE.

OKAY, I COULD SEE YOU TRYING TO SELL THAT IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT? ARE, ARE THEY INTENDED TO BE REPLANTED IN OR TO BE SEPARATE OR THEY'RE ALWAYS GONNA BE ON ONE PROPERTY? IT'LL, IT'LL BE ONE PROPERTY WITH A CONDO REGIME.

WELL SEE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? CONCEPTUAL FOR ME IS MORE BOXES THAN IT IS, UH, WHERE THE KITCHEN IS, RIGHT? GOTCHA.

THAT IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THESE TWO BUILDINGS TO BE CONNECTED THAN IT WOULD BE FOR THEM TO BE SEPARATED.

AND, AND I THINK THAT IN THE LONG RUN, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE SOME ADVANTAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE WATERSHED.

'CAUSE THEN YOU COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR HOW NOT TO HAVE WATERFALL BETWEEN THESE TWO BUILDINGS, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING THE WATER OUT.

RIGHT? BUT IT ALSO CREATES SOMETHING THAT IF THERE'S A COMMONALITY IN THE, IN THE LANDSCAPE, IN THE, IN THE ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE THERE, I DON'T THINK YOU'D FIND THAT ANYWHERE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A, A PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THEN WE WOULD BE KINDA CREATING A SITUATION, RIGHT? THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD SAY, WELL, THEY GOT THREE, I WANT THREE, AND NOW WE GOT THREE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STREET.

WHEREAS IF THEY WERE CONNECTED, THEN TECHNICALLY IT'S ONE CONDO COMPLEX, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, TWO CONDOS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

WERE ASKED TO SEPARATE BY US, BY STAFF, THE BUILDING BY US, THAT IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT DO TWO DUPLEXES.

SO THE QUESTION, IT WAS OUR ORIGINAL DESIGN.

SO WHY, WHY THE THREE FEET? WE

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OH.

SO THEN IT WOULD TURN INTO A QUADRO QUADRUPLEX.

NOW IT STILL HAS THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT NOW THEY'RE SEPARATE.

THERE'S NOT TWO DUPLEXES.

THERE'S TWO SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.

SIR, MAKE SURE YOU'RE, SO THEN ONE DUPLEX, ONE DUPLEX, ONE DUPLEX.

SORRY.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING THE MIC OKAY.

WHEN YOU'RE RESPONDING.

ONE, ONE DUPLEX.

I, I, I SAYING SEE, WELL, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, I IMAGINE THERE'S SOME WISDOM BEHIND, YOU KNOW, TELLING YOU TO DO THAT.

I, I, IT'S JUST COUNTER TO, TO MY, UM, INSTINCT.

I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I WANNA PASS THE MIC DOWN.

I'M LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER OVER HERE.

I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PULL ANYBODY OUTTA LINE HERE, BUT I, I DO, UH, HEAVILY RELY ON HIS WISDOM MUCH.

AND, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THREE FOOT JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER ON KEARNEY.

THERE'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION THERE THAT'S THIS EXACT SAME THING.

I DON'T DOUBT IT.

I THINK IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE COST OF PROPERTY.

NOW YOU REALLY HAVE TO MAXIMIZE WHAT YOUR, YOUR FOOTPRINT.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UM, DO WE HAVE A SECOND YET ON THE MOTION? THAT'S ACTUALLY YES.

I WAS GONNA ASK.

WE DO, UH, YEAH, JUST A, A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, DENSITY DOESN'T FALL WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, RIGHT? BUT SORT OF THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE AND THE RESULTING MASSING AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT MASSING DOES.

AND, UM, EVEN AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, I SEE THINGS HERE THAT FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T MAKE SENSE TO ME.

LIKE THE UNITS THAT ARE THREE FEET APART, WHY WOULDN'T YOU MIRROR THOSE SO THAT THE STAIRS WOULD BE ON THE SAME WALLS SO THAT YOU COULD MAXIMIZE THE NON STAIR WALLS FOR WINDOWS? AND EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE WINDOWS, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THERE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.

THE LIST OF STIPULATIONS AND CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS SO LENGTHY, AND SOME OF THEM ARE SO PROFOUND THAT GO TOWARDS THE BASIC CONCEPT OF THIS, THAT I HAVE A HARD TIME, UH, SUPPORTING IT BEING, YOU KNOW, APPROVED ON A CONCEPTUAL BASIS.

I THINK STAFF HAS THIS RIGHT? AND, AND I'M SORRY IF YOU'RE GETTING CONFLICTING INFORMATION FROM, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION.

I CAN IMAGINE THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING AND I GET THE ECONOMICS THAT ARE DRIVING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, INTENSITY AND DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE.

BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME, JUST SOME FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS HERE THAT I, I COULDN'T SUPPORT UNDER ANY OF THESE STIPULATIONS RIGHT NOW.

I DID ATTEND THE LATEST D R C I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SAVINA WAS THERE.

I'M NOT SURE, UM, MAYBE COMMISSIONER MAZUA.

AND WE DID DISCUSS MANY OF THESE, UH, ISSUES THAT STAFF HAD BROUGHT UP.

AND, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THREE FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND CHECKING WITH CODE TO SEE IF THAT MEETS THE BUILDING CODE, UH, TALKING ABOUT WINDOWS AND, UM, LITTLE THINGS LIKE SIDEWALKS.

LOOK, IT SEEMS YOU'VE ADDRESSED, UH, THE, THE MASS, THE SCALE OF THE UNIT THREE ON THE, THE, UH, ALLEY, WHICH YOU SEEM TO HAVE ADDRESSED.

UM, IT SEEMS LIKE, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SOME CONFLICTING COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION, AND, UH, WE STILL HAVE, UH, QUITE A FEW COMMENTS BY STAFF.

UH, AND THEY HAVEN'T, UH, REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW ALL OF YOUR LATEST DRAWINGS.

SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE PROJECT ALONG, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND ANOTHER D R C LETTING STAFF HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON YOUR LATEST DRAWINGS.

UH, HOPEFULLY GET ADDITIONAL COMMISSIONERS ON THE D R C SO THAT YOU CAN GET, UH, FURTHER FEEDBACK.

AND SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UM, AT THIS POINT, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THAT, UH, SUGGESTION.

SO, MR. YES.

COMMISSIONER GIBBS.

THE CHAIR SAID THAT BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT ALL ALONG, BECAUSE IT JUST, IT'S LIKE, AND AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER VELASQUE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY DETAILED AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THEM BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THESE AND REVIEW 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

MR. CHAIR.

I, I MEAN, I WOULD AGREE BECAUSE I, I THINK THAT WITH THE LATE SUBMITTAL, UM, WITH THESE, UM, DIFFERENT DRAWINGS AND, AND WITH MY QUESTION EARLIER TO YOU, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ADHERING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THE FACT THAT STAFF HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE, I, I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL, YOU KNOW, TO, TO HAVE, UM, ANOTHER D R C AND I, I, I'M GLAD, UM,

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SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

MR. CHAIR, UM, YES.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON CERVANTES.

WELL, FROM WHAT I SEE ON YOUR PLAN, AND FROM WHAT I SAW GOING OUT THERE AND VISITING THE PROPERTY AND LOOKING AT THE SITE AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER STRUCTURES AROUND IT, I THINK WHAT YOU PROPOSED AS WELL AS YOUR PREDECESSORS, I THINK WAS JUST TOO HIGH AND TOO MUCH FOR, FOR THAT AREA.

I THINK IT WOULD DETRACT FROM THE BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HISTORIC BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S MY OPINION THOUGH.

UM, UH, BUT YEAH, I, I WOULD SUPPORT A A D R C, AND IF NECESSARY, I CAN RETRACT MY SECOND ON THE MOTION.

BUT, UH, SO YOU'VE RETRACED YOUR SECOND, AND, AND I, I WOULD SUPPORT HI HIS RE UH, JIMMY'S RETRACTING.

I WOULD SUPPORT IT BY RETRACTING MY MOTION AND REPLACE IT WITH A MOTION FOR A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, MEANING, OR VISIT, UH, AND WHEN WE GET A DISCUSSION, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY ONE COMMENT TOO.

SO ON SITE, SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION HAS BEEN, UH, WITHDRAWN AND WE HAVE A NEW MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C? SECOND? OKAY, NOW DISCUSSION ON THIS, THIS NEW MOTION.

WELL, WELL THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I WANNA, UM, POINT OUT.

LOOKING AT YOUR DRAWINGS AND HEARING THE CONVERSATION HERE, I, I DON'T PERSONALLY SEE ANYTHING THAT, THAT DOESN'T ENABLE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE, UM, THERE IS, UM, UH, UH, A STYLISTICALLY IT, IT SEEMS TO FOLLOW A, A NICE PATTERN.

UM, I CAN'T SAY THAT IN TERMS OF THE, THE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MASSING IS THE VOLUME, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

, WHAT, WHAT VOLUME IT TAKES UP.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS SAYING, I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THESE TWO BUILDINGS CAME TOGETHER, I MEAN, YOU'D GAIN A FOOT AND A HALF ON EACH SIDE, WHICH WOULD TAKE YOU FROM THREE TO THREE TO FOUR AND A HALF.

YOU MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO SQUEEZE THE WHOLE FIVE IN.

BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT CHARACTER, THE CHARACTER DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO, I THINK I, I MEAN, IF YOU GO INTO DIGNITY HILL OR, OR, OR SOME OF THE AREAS I THINK THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT WHERE THERE'S NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE, THE, IT'S SIMILAR, UH, COMBINATIONS.

I THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE HEADED IN A, IN A DIRECTION TO ACHIEVE WHAT, WHAT IT IS I THINK YOU NEED TO ACHIEVE.

THERE'S THINGS THAT, THAT I THINK, UH, WE CAN ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT.

THANK, THANK YOU SIR.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, JUST ONE MORE QUICK, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? A QUARTER ACRE, HALF ACRE AT MOST? THIRD OF AN ACRE.

IT'S A THIRD.

I BELIEVE IT'S A THIRD.

IT'S DIMENSION THIRD.

SO I, I THINK SQUEEZING 4, 4, 4 UNITS ON THAT IS PRETTY AMBITIOUS.

BUT I'M NOT GONNA DISCOURAGE AGAIN TO FOLLOW WHAT, WHAT COMMISSIONER VASCO JUST SAID.

SAY THE EXACT SAME THING EXISTS ACROSS THE STREET.

UH, ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION THERE? YES.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER LOT.

UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE FOUR WAS BECAUSE WE HAD TWO STREET ACCESSES AS OPPOSED TO, CORRECT, CORRECT.

IF YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO THE ONE ACROSS STREET, I THINK, NO, IT'S JUST, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TOP AND BOTTOM UPSTAIRS AND THE DOWNSTAIRS.

IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING? THAT AND THE, JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S MULTIFAMILY AND NOT SINGLE.

IT'S, IT'S MULTIFAMILY, BUT THERE'S NOT SIDE BY SIDE.

IT'S, IT'S STACKED ON, ON TOP, CORRECT.

UM, AND THE, THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME ON THE LOT, YEAH, I, I CAN'T SPEAK, SPEAK TO THAT.

UM, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURES, THE OTHER STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE.

UM, IT'S AMBITIOUS.

WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

CERVANTES? YES, BAKER? AYE THAT SIR? AYE.

MOTION CARRIES.

WE'LL GET THAT SCHEDULED AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SOME MORE COMMISSIONERS ON THAT D R C SO THAT YOU GET, UM, A FULL RANGE OF COMMENTS.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DESIGN REGARDING FRONT PORCH RECONSTRUCTION AND FOUNDATION SKIRTING.

AGENDA ITEM 19, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

DID YES, DID I MISS A COMMENT OR WE DID WE TAKE NUMBER 16 OFF THE AGENDA.

16 HAS BEEN POSTPONED.

OKAY, THANKS.

SO THIS IS OUR LAST ITEM, ITEM 19.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 0 9 4 2 32 LAVACCA.

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WITHIN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING, ONE TO INSTALL SQUARE PORCH COLUMNS IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TUSCAN COLUMNS.

TWO.

MODIFY THE FRONT PORCH TO FEATURE A SHED ROOF IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED HIP ROOF.

THREE.

INSTALL DECORATIVE FASCIA BOARD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PORCH AND FORWARD INSTALL COMPOSITE PORCH SKIRTING WITHIN APPROXIMATE 10 INCH EXPOSURE IN PLACE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SKIRTING FEATURING A PROFILE THAT MATCHES THE, HIS, THE WOOD SIDING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF SQUARE PORCH COLUMNS WITH DECORATIVE CAPITALS.

AS NOTED IN FINDING C STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO.

THE MODIFICATION OF THE FRONT PORCH ROOF BASED ON FINDING D SAF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT RECONSTRUCT THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH ROOF PROFILE AS SHOWN IN THE PAST PHOTOS OF THE STRUCTURE AND AS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AND APPROVED, THREE STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE, THE INSTALLATION OF A DECORATIVE FASCIA BOARD BASED ON FINDING E STAFF.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THIS NON-ORIGINAL ELEMENT BE ELIMINATED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF COMPOSITE FOUNDATION SKIRTING IS NOTED IN FINDING F UH, THE APPLICANT'S CLINT BLUE AND DAVID HOUSE ARE HERE.

HEY GUYS.

UH, CLINT BALLOU, 2 2 8 LAVACCA.

DAVID DAVID HOUSE, TWO THREE.

TWO LAVACCA.

UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THIS IS 10 YEARS SINCE I'VE COME TO YOU GUYS FOR THE FIRST TIME ON 2 3, 2 LAVACCA.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, HAPPY 10 YEARS.

WE DID.

UM, AS FAR AS THE ROOF STRUCTURE GOES, I WANNA POINT OUT, I DUNNO IF WE HAVE THE, UH, HERE WE GO.

SO RIGHT IN HERE IS THE ISSUE.

WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS PART FROM THIS WINDOW OVER TO HERE WAS ACTUALLY IN A, IT, IT USED TO BE PORCH A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING YEARS AGO.

UM, ANOTHER FUN FACT IS I GOT INTO THIS BUSINESS AS A FRAMER.

UM, SO IN TRYING TO FRAME THIS AREA, I WAS NOT THE FRAMER, I HIRED THEM, BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THIS WAS BOXED DOWN MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE A FUR DOWN HERE.

ONCE WE GOT INSIDE, I DID NOT WANT TO PER SE DO THIS.

UM, WE COULD NOT ACHIEVE WITHOUT A FUR DOWN INSIDE, WHICH COMPLETELY RUINED WHAT IS NOW AN ENTRY AND DINING SPACE.

UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, THE ENTIRE FRONT PORCH AND ROOF LINE WOULD BE COMPLETELY CHANGED.

I DUNNO IF WE HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT THE OLD HOUSE WAS.

THAT'S WHEN WE, WHEN WE GOT IT.

DO YOU HAVE THE PICTURE BY CHANCE OF, IT'S A PICTURE I THINK WE SENT OF, UM, FRAME PHOTO 21.

YEAH, MY NEIGHBOR GAVE IT TO ME WHEN, WHEN WE PURCHASED IT.

THERE YOU GO.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE DESIGN ON THE, ON THE FRONT FASCIA THERE, UM, HERE IS WHERE WE KIND OF TRIED TO BRING IN AND TRY TO TRY TO MAKE RELEVANCE.

SO THIS ENTIRE FRONT, THE ENTIRE FRONT PORCH WOULD, WOULD CHANGE ELEVATIONS IN ORDER TO, TO CREATE, UM, THE HIP ON THE LEFT SIDE THERE.

THAT THAT WHOLE ELEVATION'S GONNA COMPLETELY CHANGE.

SO THE FRONT NOW STARTS TO CHANGE AS WELL AS PART OF THE ISSUE BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S COMING BACK INTO.

IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE CREATING THE GABLE THERE FOR IT TO COME BACK IN, IT WON'T HIT THE SAME EXACT WAY.

AND THE REASON WE ADDED THE, THE DECORATIVE DESIGN, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON IN THE AREA, IS BECAUSE OF THIS IN THE FRONT.

BUT IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FRONT HERE, YOU'LL SEE IT'S A VERY SIMILAR FRONT FROM A, FROM A FRONT FACING.

IT'S FROM THE SIDE HERE IS WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE ISSUE BECAUSE OF THIS PORCH THAT DOESN'T WRAP AROUND ANYMORE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THIS IS, UH, RMM FOUR AND TO OUR, UH, DETRIMENT AS IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT, WE DECIDED TO LEAVE IT A SINGLE FAMILY AND, AND MAKE IT A BEAUTIFUL ESTATE FOR, FOR THE LAVACCA AREA.

THE CURRENT DECORATION ON THE COLUMNS THERE IS, UM, THOSE ARE FROM ANOTHER, UH, PROPERTY THAT WE OWN IN THE AREA.

AND WE THOUGHT ACTUALLY USING OLD AS OPPOSED TO GOING AND GETTING SOME FAKE COLUMNS WOULD ACTUALLY BE NICER.

AND THAT'S HOW WE USE THE DECORATIVE, WHICH IS, IS ON THE APPROVAL.

BUT JUST POINTING THAT OUT TO YOU.

DO YOU HAVE THE BEFORE AND AFTERS, LIKE SIDE BY SIDE, TOP AND BOTTOM THERE RATHER? MAYBE THE RENDERINGS? YEAH, JUST BEAR WITH ME.

THIS COMPUTER IS, UH, GETTING

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TIRED I GUESS.

SO IT'S GOING SLOW.

SO JUST TO SHOW FROM A WHAT'S APPROVED AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DONE.

SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE APPROVAL OF THE SQUARE COLUMNS WITH THE DECORATIVE CAPITALS AS YOU'VE CONSTRUCTED AND APPROVAL, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMPOSITE FOUNDATION SKIRTING.

SO IT'S THE, UH, SLOPE OF THE ROOF AND THIS DECORATIVE FASCIA BOARD, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AGAINST.

DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT DECORATIVE, UH, FASCIA BOARD IS, YOU WERE SAYING IS OUT OF RESPONSE TO KIND OF A FUR DOWN AREA FOR THE ORIGINAL FRAMING, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

IF YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE ORIGINAL ONE THAT YOU SEE THE FRONT FASCIA THERE, THAT ONE THERE.

WELL, WHAT I MEAN IS THAT NOT, NOT JUST THE PROFILING, BUT THAT THE REASON WHY IT EXTENDS DOWN IS BECAUSE THERE IS A FUR DOWN AREA THERE THAT IS INHERENT IN INSIDE.

THERE WAS, THERE WAS A FUR DOWN MM-HMM.

IN OPENING UP THE SPACE.

THERE'S NO LONGER WE, WE TRIED TO ACTUALLY MEET ON SITE, BUT IT, IT JUST WASN'T POSSIBLE.

BUT COULD, I MEAN, WE WERE THERE.

I LIVE NEXT DOOR.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT, THAT FASCIA YES.

EXECUTED WITHOUT HAVING THAT PROFILE AND STILL, AND, AND ALIGN IT WITH THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE PROFILE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT WAS JUST A, A THROWBACK TO THE ORIGINAL.

BUT, SO FOR ME IT COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, IS THE FRAMING OF THAT ROOF REALLY EVEN TECHNICALLY FEASIBLE AS, UH, TO GO BACK TO? AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S VERY, VERY, THAT WAS OUR ISSUE, RIGHT? I, YOU KNOW, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY SAY I WOULD RATHER THIS OVER THAT.

THE, THE ISSUE WAS COMPLETELY REMOVING.

WHEN YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR HERE, YOU'LL RUN INTO A BATHROOM.

I DON'T, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE PLANS HERE AS WE USED TO, BUT THAT'S OUR DINING AREA.

AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S AN, IT'S A, IT'S OVER A 20 FOOT, UM, TOP.

SO THERE WAS A, A FULL SECOND FLOOR ABOVE, WHICH HAS NOW BEEN OPENED UP HERE.

SO YEAH, LET'S SEE.

IT'S THE, THE TOP PART HERE.

IT, SO THIS SECTION HERE WAS FUR DOWN BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT ORIGINAL.

THIS WAS A PORCH THAT WRAPPED DOWN.

AGAIN, ONCE WE TORE IT OPEN, THAT'S WHEN YOU FIND THE EXCITEMENT INSIDE.

SO IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS, ALL OF THIS CHANGES.

A PLANE IS THE POINT.

SO NOW MY FRONT PORCH COMPLETELY CHANGES.

YOU'LL NOW SEE AN ELEVATION THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN.

GRANTED, WE, WE TOOK A LESSER OF WHAT WE THOUGHT TWO EVILS AND RATHER HERE WE ARE, HOPEFULLY NOT GOING BACKWARDS, BUT WE'VE BEEN ON A HOLD FOR OUR FRAMING FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.

MR. CHAIR? YES.

COMMISSIONER SINO.

UM, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DIDN'T REALIZE OR HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE FRAMING OF THAT WRAPAROUND HIP ROOF UNTIL YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE IT APART.

AND, UH, JUST AS A QUESTION TO PROCESS, UM, WAS THERE NOT AN APPROPRIATE TIME OR A SUFFICIENT TIME TO BRING THIS TO STAFF, UM, FOR A REVIEW? 'CAUSE THAT ALWAYS MAKES THINGS MUCH EASIER AND PERHAPS THERE WOULD BE OTHER FRAMING IDEAS AND EYES ON THAT SITUATION ALSO.

SURE, YES MA'AM.

IF, IF I COULD GO BACK, I WOULD BE A BILLIONAIRE AT THE MOMENT, BUT I, I JUST CAN'T, I'M VERY SORRY, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

IF WE HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

BUT I, I DUNNO HOW WE'RE GONNA ACHIEVE THE INTERIOR PART.

IS, IS THE ISSUE.

I'VE LOOKED AT IT WITH ENGINEERS.

I CAN BRING LETTERS.

THAT'S MY ISSUE.

SO YES, I COULD HAVE COME PRIOR TO, UM, I I'M SORRY, I, YOU KNOW, I DID NOT MR. CHAIR.

THEY DON'T SEE? I, THAT'S WHAT'S CONFUSING TO ME, THAT SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING THAT I, I I, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE HERE FROM A A STAFF STANDPOINT.

COMMISSIONER ANTES.

I, IT IT'S QUEZ.

UM, I I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND STAFF.

UM, EDWARD CAN, WHY, WHY DOES STAFF SEE A SOLUTION THAT THEY DON'T SEE AND IT WOULD BE REVERSED.

WHY DO Y'ALL SEE A SOLUTION THAT

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UM, WE'RE SIMPLY NOTING THAT THE PROFILE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE, THE VERY LOW SLOPE HIP WAS CHANGED.

UM, AND THAT CHANGE PER THE U D C REQUIRES A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

UM, AND SO FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT, THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED AND HAD REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION NOTED A ROOF PROFILE FOR THE PORCH THAT MATCHED WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.

SO A LOW SLOPE HIP.

OKAY, SO, SO WHAT WE'RE POINTING TO IS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS AND THE PREVIOUS PROFILE WERE THE LOW SLOPE HIP, AND NOW WE HAVE A SHED IN PLACE.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SO, SO THE ELEVATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL, UM, UNDERSTANDING HERE THAT THE HIGHER PART OF THE SLOPE WOULD BE AT THE LEVEL OF THE FASCIA OF THE GABLE THAT WOULD SLOPE.

YOU COMPARE, UH, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE, RIGHT? I'M GONNA PULL UP THE, UH, THE APPROVED ELEVATION.

YEAH, IF YOU GO TO, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.

NUMBER 19 IN THE PACKAGE.

I, I'M SORRY IT COMPUTER'S GOING SO SLOW.

NO, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OKAY.

BUT EVEN IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU TOOK JUST A PICTURE, ZOOM INTO THAT.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE HAS A HIP THAT RESTS.

SO THE INCONSISTENCY HERE IS THAT THE FASCIA BOARDS ARE NOT MATCHING WRAPPING, RIGHT.

'CAUSE YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA SHED, AND THE REASON WHY IT DOES THAT IS BECAUSE YOU'VE, YOU, YOU DID INFER THE REASON IT DOES IT IS THE REASON THEY HAD TO FUR IT DOWN INSIDE IS BECAUSE THAT, THAT WALL, THE WALL THAT WAS THERE MOVED BACK, WHICH IS JUST CHANGING THE, THE ELEVATION OF THE ROOF.

BUT THE, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED THEORETICALLY DO PROBABLY A MODIFIED ROOF, WHICH WOULD COME OUT PRETTY FLAT, WHICH WE DO A LOT IN COMMERCIAL.

BUT THOSE, BUT THOSE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE, HOW THEY AFFECT IT WOULDN'T BE THE STANDARD.

WELL I'M LOOKING, I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE ON MY SCREEN THAT'S NOT ON Y'ALL SCREEN.

OH, OKAY.

UH, THAT, THAT CORNER PICTURE EDWARD, THAT'S THE WHITE WITH THE BLUE CEILING AND YOU SEE THE SILVER ROOF AND IT'S NOT THAT DRAWING, BUT I MEAN IT'S A PICTURE.

BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.

I'LL SIX SIX OF 33.

SO WHAT WAS THE CIRCUMSTANCE WITH THE WINDOWS THE WAY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY? WERE THE WINDOWS BELOW THE FUR DOWN? NO.

NO.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DIDN'T MOVE ANYTHING.

I'M SAYING FROM A PICTURE THAT I HAVE FROM THE, THE OWNER NICK WAS THE OWNER, UM, THE OLD, OLD PICTURE, THAT'S WHERE WE DISCOVERED.

WE SAID, OH, NOW WE CAN SEE IT.

YOU HAVE TO LOOK QUITE INTO IT THERE TO ACTUALLY SEE, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT.

OKAY, OFF THIS PICTURE, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT IN.

UM, THIS PART HERE IS ACTUALLY RECESSED BACK AGAIN.

LET'S SAY, I THINK IT SOMEWHERE AROUND THREE TO FOUR FEET, I BELIEVE.

SO, SO THEN THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE SEEN IN THE OTHER PICTURE ON SIX OF 33, THEY'RE NOT ORIGINAL RIGHT? FROM THIS ONE? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ORIGINAL, HOW, HOW IT WAS WHEN WE PURCHASED IT, YES.

WE, WE DIDN'T MOVE THIS.

TO ADD THIS IN THERE.

THIS IS HOW IT WAS.

SO THIS PART WHERE IT WAS COMPLETELY BROKEN HERE.

SO IT WOULD IMPACT MORE OF JUST THAT, NOT JUST THAT CORNER.

SO, SO THEN, SO SOMEWHERE IN HERE IS THE ADDITION.

AND ALL OF THIS WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, BUT I SEE, SO DO YOU SEE, DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT THAT THAT HIP IS NOT NECESSARILY ORIGINAL? OR DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT THAT PORCH HIP, I I THINK THAT THE, THE HIP IS ORIGINAL.

I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT, WHICH IS WHY THEY FUR INTO THIS SECTION HERE.

INTERESTING.

SO YOU HAVE LIKE 12 FOOT, 11 FOUR CEILINGS IN THIS SECTION HERE? YEAH.

WELL LIKE WHERE THE WIND, LIKE WHERE THE, THE DUTCH HIP ENDS FURTHER BACK.

DO, DO YOU SEE THAT MR, MR CHAIR, MR. CARPENTER? UH, YEAH, I'M FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I'M WONDERING THIS ORIGINAL OR THIS EXISTING PORCH ROOF, WHICH I'LL OBVIOUSLY REPLACED.

UM, PROBABLY 'CAUSE OF ROTTED FRAMING AND THAT YOU COULDN'T REPLICATE THAT IN NEW FRAMING SO THAT IT WOULD BE LOW SLOPE, LIKE WAS THERE WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE HOUSE.

SO YEAH, AGAIN, BRINGING IT TO EVERYONE WOULD POSSIBLY HELP.

THE, THE ISSUE IS NOW ON THIS SIDE HERE WHERE WE GET THIS JOINING, ALL THIS CHANGES HERE IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE AGAIN FROM A FRONT,

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IT WOULD IMPACT ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND POTENTIALLY THE, THE ROOF, THE JOINTS ON WINDOW.

AND LOOK AT THIS HOUSE HERE, WHICH IS VERY STANDARD.

IT'S MINE, BUT THIS ONE TOO HAS A VERY SIMILAR ROOF.

SO IT'S VERY STANDARD WITHIN THE AREA.

SO IT WAS EITHER COMPLETELY CHANGED WHAT WOULD BE A FRONT, I THINK WE HAVE A FRONT OF A RENDERING THAT WAS APPROVED COMPARED TO THIS ONE.

MAYBE.

YEAH, LET ME, UH, LET ME TAKE A LOOK.

I'M NOT INTENTIONALLY GOING SLOW, IT'S JUST, UH, THIS COMPUTER'S RESPONSE TIME IS LIKE FOUR SECONDS OFF.

WELL IT JUST THAT THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE UM, UM, UH, MR. CHAIR THAT THERE, THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF, UM, COMPLICATED, UM, DETAILED WORK, CRAFTSMAN WORK THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S BEEN DONE.

SO I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S POSITION.

IT, IT IS, IT IS DONE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN ALTERATION, BUT IT, IT ALSO IS A SOLUTION TO WHAT, WHAT WHAT SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A COLLAPSING OR QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THAT RAISES A, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH OF A QUESTION TO SAY WELL MAY MAYBE SO, MAYBE NOT.

RIGHT? AND, AND UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES IT, IT, IT MAY, IT MIGHT WARRANT, UM, YOU KNOW, A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT SO THEY CAN GO ON ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S ENOUGH QUESTION TO NOT WARRANT WHAT LOOKS TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE, UM, RECONSTRUCTION TO SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE CORRECT.

SO MR. CHAIR, I, YES, I WOULD MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED WITH THE STIPULATION THAT HE, HE ADD THE THIRD COLUMN OR SPACE THE COLUMNS OUT AND BRING IT AS CLOSE TO THAT ORIGINAL PICTURE THAT HE HAS.

I THINK LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED THREE COLUMNS WERE APPROVED.

HE ONLY HAS TWO COLUMNS.

I THINK BRINGING IT, PUTTING A THIRD COLUMN IN THERE WOULD PROBABLY BRING IT CLOSER TO I WOULD WAS ORIGINALLY THERE ON THE, ON THE PICTURE.

I'LL SECOND IT.

JIMMY'S MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

UM, I GUESS ONE THING THAT I WOULD ASK THE, UH, MOTION OR IS TO KEEP OR REMOVE THAT DECORATIVE SCROLL FASCIA PIECE, CORRECT? I'LL STIPULATE THAT IT BE MADE AS CLOSE FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, UH, UH, PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE.

THREE COLUMNS, A LITTLE DESIGN THERE, UH, AND GET IT AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN ASPECT.

THE, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, WHICH IS FINE WAS COLUMNS, LIKE ROUND COLUMNS AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE OF THESE, THESE, UH, DECORATIVE CORBELS AS AS IT SHOWS HERE.

SO, WELL THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE TRADE OFF, RIGHT? PUTTING A THIRD COLUMN IN THERE AND, AND, AND GETTING IT TO, TO LOOK, WHICH IS FINE.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE OF THE, THOSE CAME OUTTA THE HISTORIC DECORATIVE CORBELS.

WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN FIND THOSE.

SO THEY NEED TO BE REPLICATED.

YEAH, YEAH.

REPLICATED.

AND, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SANTES, UH, TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE ALSO SAYING THAT THE, UH, DECORATIVE FASCIA BOARD SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE A STRAIGHT OR A FLAT PROFILE.

I I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART, CORRECT.

YEAH, THAT LITTLE SQUIGGLY.

THAT LITTLE PROTRUDING LITTLE MM OKAY, SO CUT THAT PART OFF.

YOU JUST MAKE IT, MAKE IT EVEN OR MAKE IT TO LOOK LIKE THE OLD PICTURE IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF IT, BUT YEAH, EVEN FOR SURE.

AND, AND GET A THIRD COLUMN IN THERE, THERE WOULD CORRECT.

SO TO CLARIFY WOOD COLUMNS, YES.

AND WE HAVE A SECOND.

SO TO CLARIFY, IT'S TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, ITEMS ONE AND, UH, FOUR AS PRESENTED, UH, LEAVING THE ROOF SLOPE AS IT'S CONSTRUCTED, UH, CARRYING A FLAT FASCIA BOARD ACROSS THE SIDE AND ADDING THE THIRD COLUMN.

AND IT'S PACING THEM ACCORDINGLY.

YEP.

RADICALLY BY HAVING ONLY TWO CUP YOU, YOU'LL WANT IT BECAUSE IT, IT MAKES IT TALLER AND YOU'VE MADE IT WIDER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DOES THE MOTION, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.

SO THE, THE ADDITION OF A THIRD COLUMN IS FOR WHAT PURPOSE? TO RETAIN THE DESIGN ASPECT OF THE ORIGINAL PICTURE THAT HE SHOWED.

CAN YOU PUT THE ORIGINAL PICTURE UP THERE PLEASE? WELL, I THINK IT'S ALSO RHYTHMIC, YES, THERE'S A RHYTHM.

IT'S RHYTHMIC BROKEN BY PROPORTIONAL.

IT'S NOT A STRUCTURAL ISSUE, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A SPACING.

THE, THE PROPORTIONS OF THE PORCH WHERE ALTERED

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SOUNDS GREAT.

OR THEY MADE IT WIDER.

YEAH, YOU YOU, IT'S SMART.

WE'RE I, TO BE HONEST, PLEASE NOTE I'VE NEVER, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING A THIRD ONE, I'M JUST SURE BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU'RE DEVIATING A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, ON THAT, ON THAT PART, BRINGING THE REST OF THE PORCH UP TO UH, HISTORIC DESIGN IS, WOULD, WOULD BENEFIT YOU.

THAT'S GREAT.

ALRIGHT.

MY APOLOGIES TO THE COMMISSION.

I'VE NEVER BEEN, UH, PROCLAIMED AS HAVING RHYTHM.

ALRIGHT, SO, UM, JUST FOR STAFF, THE APPLICANT AND ALL COMMISSIONERS, UM, DO YOU NEED ME, THE COLUMNS ARE APPROVED WITH THE ADDITION OF A THIRD COLUMN, THE PORCH, THE ROOF, THE PORCH FORM.

THE ROOF FORM IS APPROVED WITH THE STIPULATION OF ADDING THE THIRD COLUMN TO MATCH THE OTHER TWO, THE REMOVAL OF THE DECORATIVE FASCIA BOARD TO MATCH THE FIRST FASCIA BOARD, THE SKIRTING IS APPROVED.

THAT'S EVERYTHING.

YES, CORRECT.

I WANT, I WANT TO JUST BE CLEAR, YOU'RE NOT JUST GONNA SLAP A THIRD COLUMN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SLIDE ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO SPACE THEM IN.

WE'LL, RIGHT, RIGHT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK TERRIBLE EITHER.

WELL, AND, AND THERE NICE.

AND, AND YOUR ORIGINAL DRAWINGS HAD THREE COLUMNS AND THE PROPORTIONS WERE VERY NICE.

I'M, I'M FOR IT.

WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE.

MR. CHAIR ONE, ONE, ONE, ONE THING JUST SO WE'RE ALL, IS THERE, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE, THERE, THE, THE FASCIA BOARD OF YOUR, OF YOUR BEAM, RIGHT WHEN IT TURNS YOU SHOULD TURN IT THE SAME WIDTH, NOT THE SIDING DOWN LIKE IT'S DONE LIKE YOU DID IT THERE.

THEY SHOULD SAME BOTTOM ELEVATION, SAME WRAP.

IT'S A BEAM EVEN WHEN IT TURNS.

RIGHT? OR AT LEAST THEORETICALLY RIGHT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE THAT OR LIKE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT RIGHT.

AND YOU DID A LOT OF WORK.

YOU KNOW, IT, IT LOOKS GOOD.

IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

SAVINO NAY, VELASQUEZ? AYE.

MASUKA? AYE.

CARPENTER? AYE.

CERVANTES? YES, BAKER.

AYE THAT SIR? AYE MOTION CARRIES.

YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE AGENDA, SO WE ARE ADJOURNED.