* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] [00:00:06] TODAY, APRIL 19TH, 2023. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. FISH. HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ. MASUKA. HERE. CARPENTER. HERE. GRO. HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. BAKER. HERE IN FETZER. HERE WE HAVE A QUORUM. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES FOR THE MEETING. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR TRANSLATORS COME UP TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU. JUST, UH, MAKING NOTE TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE TRANSLATION DIRECTLY. THE, UM, APPARATUS IS RIGHT THERE AT THAT DOOR WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT ON THE LEFT SIDE, AND IT CAN BE HEARD ONLINE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LAURA HOUSE. THANK YOU. THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. I'M JEFFREY CHAIR JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER IN ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY T IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. UM, WE HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS. UM, THE FIRST IS TO OUR VIRTUAL ATTENDEES. WE HAVE A FEW OF YOU THAT WILL BE PRESENTING YOUR CASES VIRTUALLY. UM, SO RIGHT NOW YOU'VE JOINED US IN SORT OF A, A WAITING ROOM. UM, JUST KEEPING AN AN EYE ON THE AGENDA AS WE GET TO YOUR CASE, I WILL REQUEST THAT YOU BECOME A, A PANELIST FOR THE WEBINAR. UM, AT THAT POINT, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE AND WE CAN SEE IN HEAR FROM YOU AT THAT TIME. UM, WE HAVE UPCOMING EVENTS. UM, IN MAY WE HAVE, UH, IS MAY IS NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. UM, AND WE CELEBRATE HERE LOCALLY EVERY YEAR. UM, OUR, OUR MAIN EVENT THIS YEAR IS THE RETURN OF THE AMAZING PRESERVATION RACE ON MAY 12TH. AND SO A LOT OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, FAMILIAR WITH THE O H P, UM, IN OUR, IN OUR EVENTS IN THE PAST DECADE OR SO, ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS EVENT AND KNOW IT'S A LOT OF FUN. UM, SO RIGHT NOW FOR THE NEXT WEEK WE HAVE EARLY BIRD REGISTRATION FOR A TEAM OF FOUR. IT'S JUST $80. UM, MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ON SA SPEAK UP.COM. UM, AND JUST LOOK FOR PRESERVATION MONTH, UM, IF YOU SEARCH EVENTS AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND THAT. UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A, A REALLY FUN EVENT, UM, ON A FRIDAY EVENING ON MAY 12TH. UM, AND AGAIN, WE INVITE ANYONE TO PARTICIPATE. UM, AND THEN I THINK BEFORE WE GET INTO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, UM, WE HAVE, UH, ONE CITIZEN TO BE HEARD, UM, THAT SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL ITEMS. SO AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK BIANCA MALDONADO TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. UM, MS. MALDONADO RECEIVE SIX MINUTES, OH, EXCUSE ME, FOUR MINUTES OF SPEAKING TIME. UM, TOM SIMMONS IS HERE WITH HER AND HAS YIELDED TIME TO HER. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY [00:05:01] TO SPEAK. THIS IS REGARDING 5 26 DONALDSON AVENUE, WHICH IS A WITHDRAWN CASE FROM YOUR AGENDA. MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, PRESIDENT OF THE MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, AND ITS NINE MEMBER BOARD M P N A P O BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. OUR COMMENTS TODAY ARE FOCUSED ON THE HISTORY OF INVESTMENTS MADE BY THE RESIDENTS OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO TO DONALDSON AVENUE, AS IS IT AMA, AS IT IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. AND IT IS THE ENTRANCE LEADING TO THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL, A LOCAL LANDMARK. THE PROPOSED CHANGES FOR THE PROPERTY AT 5 26 DONALDSON CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL SITE AND SETTING OF DONALDSON AVENUE. IN THE EARLY 1990S WHEN YOLANDA VETO WAS THE COUNCILWOMAN FOR DISTRICT SEVEN, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO MADE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS TO WIDEN THE STREET FROM THE TWO TO 600 BLOCKS, REPLACING HOLISTICALLY ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEY RETAINED THE LANDSCAPE BERMS AND ADDED TREES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET IN THE EASEMENT, ALSO ADDING A COMPREHENSIVE STREET LIGHTING ON BOTH SIDES. SINCE THEN, MORE THAN 30 TREES HAVE BEEN ADDED ON DONALDSON AVENUE TO FRONT YARDS AND EASEMENTS THROUGH THE MP'S UTILIZATION OF THE CITY CITY'S TREE CHALLENGE PROGRAM AND THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO RESTORE TREES THAT WERE DAMAGED IN THE 2019 STORM. IN 2021 THROUGH THE 2017 BOND IMPROVEMENT MONIES, DONALDSON AVENUE AGAIN RECEIVED REINVESTMENTS TO ADDRESS THE MORE THAN $700,000 IN INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ON THE TWO TO 600 BLOCKS, SPECIFICALLY ADDING MOBILITY AND STREET IMPROVEMENTS. THE 2017 BOND ALSO COMPLETED THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE THESPIAN ISLAND LOCATED AT DONALDSON ENCAMPMENT BOULEVARD. ALL OF THESE BOND PROJECTS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE A DIRECT RESULT OF THE ADVOCACY OF M P N A FOR DONALDSON AVENUE FOR MULTIPLE DECADES. AS WE CELEBRATE OUR 40TH YEAR IN 2023, WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO CELEBRATE OUR HISTORY. AS NOTICED THE CASE APPROVED MATERIAL AND REMOVAL OF THE FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING AT 5 26 DONALDSON IS NOT APPROPRIATE, NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO REQUEST THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE 50% OF THE FRONT YARD TO BE DEDICATED TO LANDSCAPING, NOT HARDSCAPING, AND ALSO THAT A MORE APPROPRIATE HARDSCAPING MATERIAL BE USED OR MULCHED TO SOFTEN THE GARISHNESS OF CRUSH GRANITE. WE ALSO REQUEST THAT ANY USE OF SMALL HARDSCAPE MATERIAL BE CONTAINED SO THAT IT DOES NOT WASH OUT INTO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK. WE ALSO ASK THE EASEMENT BE, REMAIN AS LANDSCAPING AND SUGGEST THE OWNER PARTNER WITH M P N A AS WE SEEK TO PLANT 40 TREES CELEBRATING OUR 40TH YEAR. LASTLY, WE ASK FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS AS WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT IN OUR INVOLVEMENT IN THE H D R C PROCESS AND PROVIDING RESOURCES, EDUCATING OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH OUR NEWSLETTER, WHICH EVERY PROPERTY OWNER RECEIVES REGARDLESS OF THE PAY DUES WITH INFORMATION REGARDING OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND PROCESSES FOR CHANGE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO M P N A THAT AS H D R C RECEIVES PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE COMMISSION IS MINDFUL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT RESIDE IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHO MAY SEEK TO UNDERMINE O H P AND THE H D R C PROCESSES AS WE HAVE SEEN THIS OCCUR IN PRIOR CASES. WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS FOR THIS CASE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND SO IF WE CAN DIRECT OUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, UM, THAT WAS IN REFERENCE TO ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, WE'VE NOTED THAT THAT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. UM, THIS WAS A VIOLATION OF FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE AGREEING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO COMPLY WITH THE GUIDELINES, AND SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM TO ACHIEVE THAT, UM, HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. UM, SO THERE'S REALLY NO ACTION THAT'S NEEDED TODAY. UM, SO THE REMAINDER ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN ARE ON THE AGENDA. UM, FURTHER ON WE HAVE ITEM 13 THAT HAS BEEN POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT AND WILL NOT BE HEARD TODAY. AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO AWARE THAT WE HAVE ITEM 16 THAT WAS POSTED AS TIME CERTAIN FOLLOWING EITHER 5:00 PM OR FOLLOWING ALL OTHER AGENDA ITEMS. SO THAT'LL BE HEARD MUCH LATER. UM, SO NOW LET'S HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT RECEIVED WE RECEIVED FOR ITEMS ON CONSENT. UM, BEGINNING WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 27 LOCATED AT 1 0 1 1 0 3 PASO, WE DO NOT AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FIRST, AS PER THE INFILL DESIGN APPLICATION, SUPPLEMENT INSTRUCTIONS, THE CONTEXT AREA MUST BE ESTABLISHED USING PARCELS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND AS STATED IN THE LOT RATIO SECTION OF THE O H P GUIDELINES, NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS. IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING TO LOT RATIO, BUILDINGS SHOULD LIMIT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION TO NO MORE THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL LOT AREA UNLESS ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT WITH A GREATER BUILDING TO LOT RATIO. [00:10:01] THESE TWO STRUCTURES MASSIVELY OVERWHELM ALL THE OTHER EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND LOTS ON THIS BLOCK AND GREATLY EXCEEDS LOT COVERAGE STIPULATIONS. SECOND, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING OLD GROWTH TREES ON THESE LOTS. IT SEEMS AS IF THE DEVELOPER MAY HAVE ADDRESSED ONE TREE, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE OTHER TREE? ARE THEY PLANNING ON CUTTING DOWN THE OTHER TREE? THIRD, LACK OF PARKING. EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS STATED HE IS CREATING FIVE PARKING SPACES ALONG THE ALLEY FOR ALL FOUR UNITS, THE SPACES WILL MORE THAN LIKELY BE TOTALLY UTILIZED BY JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE TWO UNITS IN THE BACK. THE FRONT UNITS WILL STILL BE LEFT WITH NO PARKING EXCEPT FOR ON THE STREET. THE INSTALLATION OF BIKE RACKS AT THE REAR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WILL NOT RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM. IN FACT, HOW ARE THE OWNERS SUPPOSED TO POLICE THE BIKE RACKS THAT ARE INSTALLED BY THE SIDEWALK? WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE ELSE USES THESE BIKE RACKS BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY'RE FOR GENERAL USE BY THE PUBLIC? LAST LACK OF YARD SPACE IS STILL BASICALLY NON-EXISTENT FOR OWNERS OF THESE PROPERTIES. THANK YOU. NEXT VOICEMAIL IS FOR ITEM NUMBER 2 6 0 1 NOLAN STREET. HELLO, MY NAME IS ARI CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WOOD INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 21 LOCATED AT 6 0 1 NOLAN STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S APPROVAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WIDTH OF THE PROPOSED COMPOSITE PORCH MATERIAL, EXTERIOR PORCHES AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS SHOULD USE A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE MATERIAL THAT IS PLACED PERPENDICULAR TO THE HOUSE. WHILE THIS IS DIFFICULT TO FIND, THE TIMBER TECH EC ONE BY THREE PORCH MATERIAL IS SOLD AT LOCAL MCCOY'S LOCATIONS. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR VOICEMAILS FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE ARE LETTERS IN YOUR PACKETS FOR ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. DO ANY [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YES, MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS 6 0 1 NOLAN STREET. ANY OTHERS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE BALANCE. UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS. ITEM NUMBER ONE, NUMBER THREE, NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER SIX AND SEVEN, NOT NUMBER SIX, JUST NUMBER SIX. NUMBER SIX WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT. SCRATCH NUMBER SIX, ITEMS ONE, THREE THROUGH FIVE AND NUMBER SEVEN. STAFF. STAFF STIPULATIONS. SECOND. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SENO. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES. YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS 1 0 1 AND 1 0 3 PA HONDO ONE 15 SOUTH ST. MARY'S FIVE 19 MISSION 2 0 6 WEST AGARITA AND 1 24 EAST ATCH. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. SO AGENDA [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] ITEM NUMBER 2 6 0 1 NOLAN STREET. THE, UH, APPLICANT, MS. WENDY HANDLER IS HERE IN PERSON? YES. MS. HANDLER, WILL YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM? SORRY. AND COMMISSIONER SAVINO HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT? YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, MY COMMENT IS REALLY, UM, FOR THE COMMISSION AND FOR THE CHAIR. UM, I, I THINK THE PROJECT IS FINE. I THINK STAFF STIPULATIONS ARE FINE. I DO HAVE A BIT OF CONCERN WITH THE PROFILE OF THE MATERIAL BEING USED. UH, TYPICALLY ON A FRONT PORCH, WE USE PORCH MATERIAL, WHICH IS A TONGUE AND GROOVE, AND WE'VE BEEN APPROVING IT VERY CONSISTENTLY FOR OTHER REDOS OR REHABS, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND, UM, OVER CONCRETE PORCHES. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I WOULD MAKE THAT, UM, AND SO I COULD EVEN FRAME THIS IN A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR A C O A FOR TO CONSTRUCT A WOOD PORCH TO [00:15:01] COVER THE EXISTING NON-ORIGINAL CONCRETE PORCH. AND YOUR PROPOSED PORCH WILL EXTEND TO THE SIDE EAST SIDE OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE PORCH WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. THE ONLY CHANGE THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED COMPOSITE DECKING BE INSTALLED PERPENDICULAR TO THE FRONT FACADE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND FEATURE A WIDTH OF THREE INCHES AND WOULD BE A TONGUE AND GROOVE ONE BY THREE MATERIAL. THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. OKAY. UM, MAY I RESPOND? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, . UM, WE EVALUATED A WHOLE HOST OF COMPOSITE MATERIALS, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT THE CONCERNED CITIZENS, OUR NEIGHBORS CALLED IN. AND, UM, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE CHOSEN, WE CHOSE BECAUSE IT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE COULD FIND THAT DIDN'T HAVE A DEEP, UM, INGRAINED FAUX WOOD PROFILE. UH, THEY LOOKED THE ONE THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THESE CALLERS. IT JUST, FRANKLY, LOOKS COMPLETELY FAKE. UM, IT'S ALSO THE SAME WIDTH AS THE COMPOSITE BOARDS THAT WE SUGGESTED. I KNOW THEY SAID THEY'RE THREE INCHES, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU MEASURE THEM, THEY'RE THE SAME AS OURS, WHICH IS JUST UNDER THREE AND A HALF INCHES. SO I THINK THE LOOK OF THAT WITH THE PERPENDICULAR TO THE HOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO BE VERY SATISFACTORY. UM, THIS HAS BEEN USED, THIS DECORATORS HAS BEEN APPROVED AND USED THROUGHOUT, UM, VARIOUS HOMES IN KING WILLIAM AND, UM, TOBIN HILL AND OTHER AREAS. THAT'S WHY, UH, WHEN THE CONTRACTOR CAME TO US AND PRESENTED A BUNCH OF OPTIONS AND SAID, THIS IS A HOUSE YOU COULD GO VISIT, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT ARE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND HAVE USED THIS PRODUCT, WHICH HAS A GREAT WARRANTY AND A LOT OF A GOOD REPUTATION. WE CHOSE IT, BUT MOSTLY WE CHOSE IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS THE MOST NATURAL AND IT FIT THE SPECIFICATIONS. EDWARD HALL WAS NICE ENOUGH TO COME OUT TO OUR HOME AND REVIEW IT WITH US, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAD AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE SATISFACTORY. SO, I, I MEAN, IS THIS YOUR OWN? CAN'T GET IT. THAT'S STILL ONLY CONCERN. THE ONLY, WE CAN'T GET IT APPROVED WITH, UM, I CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I MEAN, I EVALUATED PROBABLY A DOZEN YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. SO YOU'RE NOT DOING FIVE AND A HALF INCHES. IT'S ACTUALLY THREE AND A HALF. IT'S JUST THE APPLICATION SAYS IT'S ONE BY FIVE AND A HALF. OH, NO, NO, I'M SORRY. THIS BOARD COMES IN A VARIETY OF WIDTHS AND IT'S ONE BY JUST UNDER THREE AND A HALF. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS THE ASIC PRODUCT, THE TONGUE AND GROOVE, ONE BY THREE ASIC PRODUCT APPROPRIATE IN YOUR ESTIMATION? I WOULD NEED TO REVIEW THE SPEC SPECIFICATIONS FOR THAT, UM, AZA. SO, UH, WITHOUT GOING TOO DEEP, I'LL BACK UP A FEW YEARS. THERE WERE TWO PRODUCTS THAT WERE COMPOSITE PORTRAIT MATERIALS. UH, THERE WAS AN ERUS PRODUCT AND AN AZA PRODUCT. THE ERUS PRODUCT CAME IN A SMOOTH FINISH, UH, CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE SPECIFY, UH, COMPOSITE, UH, SIDING. THE AZAC AT THE TIME WAS ONLY MANUFACTURED WITH THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH. UM, THE AERUS PRODUCT HAD A COMPOSITE MATERIAL IN GRAIN THAT PREVENTED SLIPPING, WHEREAS THE AZAC USED THE FAUX WOOD GRAIN FINISH TO ALLOW FOR GRIP ON THE FRONT PORCH OR WHATEVER APPLICATION IT WAS USED IN. THAT'S THE EXTENT OF OF MY KNOWLEDGE TO THAT. UM, THEY MAY, IT MAY HAVE THAT. NOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I I DO HAVE A COMPARISON CHART THAT, I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE OVERKILL, BUT BETWEEN THE TWO PRODUCTS, THEY ARE SO SIMILAR. BUT, UM, THE, THE ONE THAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED, UM, IS FAR MORE NATURAL LOOKING AND STILL HAS, IS, UH, SUPERIOR IN THE ANTI-SLIP CATEGORY. THE, THE ONE THAT THE ASIC IS SUPERIOR AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, 50 YEAR WARRANTY. UM, OURS IS A 25 YEAR WARRANTY, BUT THOSE ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE LOOK AND FEEL. MM-HMM. . UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE REDOING THIS IS BECAUSE THE SETTLING HAS BEEN SO GREAT WITH THE CONCRETE THAT MY, UM, SENIOR MOTHER CANNOT NO LONGER ENTER OUR HOME. IT'S BECOME A REAL PROBLEM. THE, IT'S JUST SO WE DO WANNA GET THIS DONE AND THIS HAS SUPERIOR, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS COMPLETELY LIKE A NATURAL WOOD, IT, UM, HAS SUPERIOR, A NON-SKID KIND OF NONS SLIPPING, UH, QUALITY TO IT. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S ALSO LESS EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME COST ISSUES. THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT JUST FOR A VERY SMALL SPACE. SO THIS IS THE, FOR ALL THESE REASONS WE DID SETTLE ON THIS PRODUCT. RIGHT, RIGHT. I, [00:20:01] I DO WANNA ADD THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE AN APPROPRIATE SUBSTITUTE MATERIAL THAT IS A COMPOSITE OR A P V C MOVING FORWARD, DOES THAT MEAN ALL PORCHES GET A DECK FINISH RATHER THAN A PORCH FINISH IF THEY CHOOSE TO USE THE NON-WOOD? NOT NECESSARILY. I THINK ONE THING, UH, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND IN THIS INSTANCE IS, UM, I'LL GO TO THE SANBORN MAP. UM, ORIGINALLY THIS HOUSE FEATURED A WRAPAROUND PORCH. THAT WRAPAROUND PORCH WAS REMOVED AND THE FRONT PORCH LOCATION OR AREA WAS ENCLOSED. UM, THE PORCH THAT WE NOW SEE, THIS IS A PHOTO FROM 1994 THAT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH LOCATION BEING ENCLOSED. THE CONCRETE PORCH BEING INSTALLED. UM, THE ORIGINAL PORCH LOCATION IS NOT THERE ANYMORE, OBVIOUSLY. UM, WE HAVE THE SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS DOCUMENT AND STAFF. IT'S CONSISTENTLY RECOMMENDED, UH, FOR A ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING. SO STAFF WOULD, WOULD CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND THAT IN THE LOCATION OF WHERE AN ORIGINAL PORCH WAS OR IF THE APPLICANT WAS PROPOSING TO RE REHABILITATE OR RESTORE A PORCH IN ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION. UM, WITH THIS NOT BEING THE PORT'S ORIGINAL LOCATION AND THE APPLICANT LOOKING TO INSTALL SOMETHING THAT, UH, REFERENCED THE PORT'S ORIGINAL LOCATION BUT WASN'T EXACTLY THERE, WE FIND THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLING A DECKING THAT IS AN APPROXIMATE THREE AND A HALF WIT INCH INCH WIDTH, UH, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. UM, IF THE ORIGINAL WRAPAROUND PORCH WAS THERE, IF THE APPLICANT WAS LOOKING TO RESTORE THAT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, ONE BY THREE TONGUE AND GROOVE DECKING AS THAT WOULD BE IN THE PORCHES ORIGINAL LOCATION. THANK YOU FOR THAT E EXPLANATION, THAT CLARIFICATION FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I CAN UNDERSTAND. UM, I JUST ACTUALLY FINISHED A DECK USING THE SAME MATERIAL AND IT HAS WONDERFUL SLIP RESISTANCE ON IT. JUST THE F Y I, THE ASIC. THE ASIC UHHUH . WELL THAT'S GOOD TOO. UH, AND IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. YOU GET THE ONE WITH SOLID COLOR. IT LOOKS PAINTED. BUT, UM, IN LIGHT OF WHAT STAFF STAFF'S COMMENT AND, UM, PERSPECTIVE ON THE LOCATION OF THIS RECONSTRUCTION, I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE MY, UM, MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL WITH ALL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SECOND. HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? THANK YOU, MS. SAVINO. THANK YOU ALL. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. I'M FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 5 0 1 EAST LOCUST. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, UH, ITEM EIGHT ON THE AGENDA. H C R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 1 0 6 5 0 1 EAST LOCUSTS. THE APPLICANT REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE 18 1 1 WOOD WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING C THROUGH F. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS ARE RETAINED AND REPAIRED. UH, THE OWNER OF SHANE WOOL ROBB IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, THERE ARE FOUR LETTERS ON FILE AND ONE VOICEMAIL. WE ALSO HAVE AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER, SORRY, MR. RABI OR MS. MRS. RABI. UM, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, SHANE, WILL ROBBIE AND MY WIFE IRENE. WILL. ROBBIE, OKAY. UH, WHEN DOES THE, UM, THE OTHER PRESENTER, THE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT? AFTER, AFTER YOU GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES. THANK YOU. UM, SO, SO THIS IS A, UM, ROUND TWO OR DO OVER, UM, WE, UH, PRESENTED TWO WEEKS AGO. UM, THE, JUST TO KINDA GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, UM, THE STAFF'S OBJECTIONS WERE REALLY, UM, UH, PRIMARILY BASED ON THE, UH, THE HEAT GAIN, HEAT LOSS, UM, AND IMPROVING THE PROPERTY. WE, UM, DISCUSSED THAT, THAT WE HAD DONE THE SUGGESTIONS WITH THE FOAM OF THE FLOOR WALLS AND ATTIC. THE OTHER PART WAS THAT OVER, UM, 112 MILLION WINDOWS END UP IN LANDFILLS, UM, WE, UM, HAVE FOUND A, A LANDFILL THAT, OR NOT A LANDFILL, BUT A SERVICE THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF OUR WINDOWS, UH, PARADISE PICKERS. UM, THEN THE [00:25:01] OTHER FINDING WAS BASICALLY THE SAME THING. OH, THE, UM, THE WINDOWS AS OP, UH, O H P UH, STAFF AGREED THAT THEY, THEY MEET THE, AND CONFORM TO THE O O H P STANDARDS. UM, WHERE I, I BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY OPEN ITEM IS THE, THE DISCREPANCY ABOUT THE NEED FOR REPLACEMENT REGARDING THE DEGREE OF DEGRADATION OF THE WINDOWS. AND, UM, WE, UM, APPRECIATE HAVING, UH, HISTORIC COMMITTEE MEMBERS OUT TO VISIT OUR HOME, UH, TO LOOK AT IT. THEY PROVIDED SOME SUGGESTIONS AS FAR AS TAKING CLASSES, BUYING A PAINT SCRAPER, AND KIND OF DOING OUR WORK OURSELVES. UM, THE, FOR US, THAT'S REALLY NOT A, AN OPTION WE WERE LOOKING FOR. 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, UM, WITH REGARD TO THIS, UH, 50% DETERIORATION OF THE, UH, WINDOWS. UM, AND IN TALKING WITH, UM, OTHER PEOPLE AND JUST REVIEWING IT, UM, IT'S REALLY A VERY SUBJECTIVE, UM, GOAL. IT'S KINDA LIKE, UH, IN PEOPLE, IN TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD IT APPROVED AND DISAPPROVED, IT'S LIKE, WHAT IS THE 50% CHANCE OF RAIN TODAY? I MEAN, IT REALLY IS A DIFFICULT STANDARD. AND I, AND I RESPECT THE CONSIDERATION THAT EVERYONE HAS PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, WHEN WE HAVE HAD VENDORS, QUALIFIED VENDORS OUT TO LOOK AT OUR WINDOWS, UM, THE RESTORATION TO RESTORE IT INTO THE ORIGINAL CONDITION, WHICH IS NOT WHERE WE WANT TO BE, EXCEEDS THE COST OF TO REPLACE THEM. UM, AND THAT IS REALLY FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN OUR RESIDENCE, UM, WE CAN DEBATE HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, THIS 50% GOAL IS VERY ELUSIVE. AND I, I, UM, I'M VERY, UH, I'M HAPPY I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. BUT IT ONE SUGGESTION THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT IF YOU HAVE FOR THE, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT IN, IN SPEAKING WITH MY NEIGHBORS, TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT AND, UH, LESS ARBITRARY. UM, IF YOU HAVE A PRODUCT AND A, UH, A WINDOW THAT CONFORMS O H P, WHETHER IT'S, AND IT'S GOOD FOR, UH, THE NEW WINDOWS OR ADDITIONS, AND IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM THE HISTORICAL APPEARANCE, THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOME, UM, WE'RE REALLY OVER, WE'RE FOR THE HOMEOWNER. IT IS A, AN UN UNDUE, BURDENSOME, UNDULY BURDENSOME. AND IT CAN'T BE, IT, IT MAKES IT SO THAT IT'S, UH, CREATES TOO MUCH CONTROVERSY. 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS, UH, I'VE SAT ON BOARDS AND DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO, UM, UH, GO THROUGH THE NITPICKING PART OF IT. BUT IF WE HAD, IF YOU HAVE WINDOWS THAT CONFORM AND TO SAY THAT IT'S GOOD IN TWO CONDITIONS, BUT NOT IN THE THIRD, BUT THEY'RE IDENTICAL WINDOWS UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES, AND YOU DO APPROVE 'EM AND OTHERS, UH, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU USE AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF, I'M THIS, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE STRUGGLED. MY WIFE, UH, WILL GIVE HER PARTING COMMENTS. UM, I JUST FIND THAT EVEN IF WE DID ALL THEES SUGGESTIONS YOU GIVE FOR HAVING THE WINDOWS RESTORED, IT'S NOT GONNA GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. UM, I WANNA BE ABLE TO OPEN MY WINDOWS AND TO CLEAN THEM. I WANT UV PROTECTION. I WANT THE NOISE REDUCTION SHANE DIDN'T MENTION, WHICH USUALLY HE HARPS ON. BUT THE, THE MUSIC COME FROM, UH, ST. MARY'S STRIP. UM, IT'S, IT'S A REAL, UM, IT WILL REALLY ADD TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE TO NOT BE HEARING THAT MUSIC AS LOUDLY EVERY NIGHT. UM, AND AGAIN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF OUR HOUSE AT ALL. UM, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WOULD BE AN OBJECTION TO IT. I KNOW IT, THAT'S WHAT'S IN YOUR, UM, YOUR CODE. BUT THE CODE, BUT THE CODE, AS SHANE SAYS, DON'T, DOES NOT SEEM CONSISTENT. IF YOU ALLOW IT FOR ADDITIONS, UM, WHY CAN'T WE DO IT IF IT'S NOT CHANGING THE OUTSIDE APPEARANCE OF OUR HOME? AND I THINK THE, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE WILL BE ENERGY SAVINGS. TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS TOO IS VERY INTERESTING. WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO [00:30:01] THEM, WE'RE HEARING THAT SOLAR PANELS ARE BEING APPROVED NOW AND IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND I, IF THIS IS GONNA ADD, ALTHOUGH IT MAY COST US MORE MONEY THAN WE'RE GONNA GET BACK, IF IT IS GONNA ADD TO ENERGY SAVINGS, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SEEM CONSISTENT. IT JUST, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO, TO NOT APPROVE THEM. SO, THANK YOU, IRENE. SO IN, IN CONCLUSION THAT WE PRAY THAT, UM, IF YOU FIND THAT THE, THESE WINDOWS ARE O UH, APPROVED AND CONFORMING AND DO NOT DETRACT FROM THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU, UM, THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE HIM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, A SITTING TO BE HEARD AND THEN A VOICEMAIL. YES. IF WE COULD HAVE CURTIS KREER COME UP, PLEASE. HI. UM, I LIVE IN, UH, TOBIN HILL, AND I AM INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. WHAT'S THAT? PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. UH, I'M, THIS IS, UH, I'M CURTIS KREER. I LIVE IN, UH, I LIVE IN TOBIN HILL. UH, AND I AM REDOING MY WINDOWS. UM, UH, I ATTEMPTED TO REPAIR THEM. FIRST TURNS OUT THAT YOU CAN'T TAKE THE PAINT OFF VERY EASILY WITH A SCRAPER, UH, WITHOUT DAMAGING THE WOOD, BREAKING THE GLASS. I TAKE IT OFF WITH A HEAT GUN, UH, STRIP IT ALL THE WAY TO WOOD AND PUT IT BACK. AND THAT'S NOT JUST THE WINDOWS, THAT'S THE FRAMING. UM, AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE, ALL THE PAINT OFF AND START FROM SCRATCH. AND THEN IF ANYTHING'S DAMAGED, THEN YOU HAVE TO FIND THE WOOD TO REPLACE IT. UM, WINDS UP TAKING ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 15 HOURS OF LABOR, AND YOU HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT, RIGHT MATERIALS. UH, YOU HAVE TO CURE YOUR, CURE YOUR MATERIALS BEFORE YOU PUT 'EM BACK UP OR ELSE THEY STICK TOGETHER. SO THAT'S JUST TO SUPPORT THE COST OF ACTUALLY REDOING THE WINDOW IN WHAT I CONSIDER, UH, A IN A GOOD ENOUGH MANNER THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY KEEP THE WIND OUT IN THE INFILTRATION FROM COME, YOU KNOW, COMING THROUGH THE WINDOW AND HAVE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS LIKE IT DID WHEN IT WAS MANUFACTURED. UH, ONE OTHER THING, UH, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW, BUT THE, BUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, SINCE I'VE LIVED THERE, IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS HAVE STARTED, SOME OF THE, UM, REQUIREMENTS HAVE GOTTEN A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE. AND THAT COULD JUST BE BECAUSE WE'RE MORE AWARE OR BECAUSE THERE'S MORE, UM, MORE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE NEED FOR THEM. UM, THESE BUILDINGS ARE NOT HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHERE YOU SHOULD CONTROL HOW THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, INTERIOR, EXTERIOR, AND TRY TO KEEP THEM IN THE SAME METHOD AS THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. UH, SAME DIMENSIONS OF WOOD AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. THIS IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE AREA, THE DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC DISTRICT, NOT NECESSARILY THAT YOU CONTROL HOW THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED. UM, YES, YOU WANT THEM TO BE SIMILARLY CONSTRUCTED AND LOOK SIMILAR, BUT WHEN I MOVED IN, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO TELL, YOU KNOW, CONTROL HOW, HOW MUCH COMFORT I WANTED INSIDE MY HOUSE, UM, BY CONTROLLING THE TYPE OF WINDOWS AND THE TYPES OF THINGS. AND I DIDN'T DISCOVER THAT UNTIL AFTER, AFTER, ACTUALLY, AFTER I HAD PURCHASED THE HOUSE AND MOVED IN, THIS, STARTED DOING THE WORK. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, THERE WAS A SITE. HI, THIS IS CANDACE. I'M SO SORRY I STARTED. WE HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. HI, THIS IS CANDACE LAUDERDALE. UM, AND I LIVE AT FIVE 10 EAST LOCUST. UM, I WAS INQUIRING ABOUT MY NEIGHBOR WHO, UM, WANTS TO GET THE NEW WINDOWS, THE CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 1 0 6, AND I SUPPORT IT. AND, UM, AM IN FAVOR, FAVOR OF IT. UM, I CAN SEE WHY HE WOULD WANNA DO THAT. AND SO I VOTE YES. AND COMMISSIONERS, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THERE ARE, UM, AN ADDITIONAL FIVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, I BELIEVE. UM, AND THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKETS. OKAY, THANK YOU. WE HAD A SITE D R C LAST WEEK WITH SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER SAVINA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A REPORT? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR. UM, WE HAD A D R C SITE VISIT. UM, THE APPLICANTS WERE VERY HOSPITABLE TO ALLOW US INTO THEIR HOME TO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS. UH, IT WAS, UH, COMMISSIONER MOOKA AS WELL AS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. AND, UM, WE WERE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE CONDITION OF THE RENT WINDOWS AND DETERMINE WHETHER THEY WERE ELIGIBLE FOR REPLACEMENT. UM, WE KNOW THAT [00:35:01] THE WINDOWS IN A, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE IN A BUILT IN FORMER PORCH AREA WERE NEW BECAUSE IT WAS A PORCH, UH, A PREVIOUSLY OPEN PORCH. SO THOSE WERE NEW WINDOWS. UM, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF REPLACEMENTS IN A COUPLE OF THE ROOMS, BUT THE OTHERS WERE THE ORIGINAL FRAMES AND MOST OF THE ORIGINAL SASHES AND, UH, PULLEY, UH, SASH CORDS AND PULLEY. AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO SASH MEETING RAILS, UM, EVERYTHING LOOKED FINE. UH, THE, THE WINDOWS WERE IN VERY, VERY GOOD SHAPE. THERE WERE TWO SASHES THAT DO REQUIRE A LOWER RAIL OR A MEETING RAIL REPLACEMENT, BUT, UM, THEY, THE, THE UNITS LOOKED REALLY GOOD. SO, AND WE DID, DID DISCUSS A NUMBER OF METHODS AND MEANS FOR RESTORING RIGHT, REPAIRING, REHABBING, AND, UM, I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR EITHER STAFF OR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YEAH, JUST A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. SO JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, YOUR HOME, NOTHING FAMOUS HAPPENED THERE, A HISTORIC EVENT, HOME TO A HISTORIC PERSON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? IT'S, NO, IT'S CORRECT. IT'S THIS DAY. CAN YOU COME SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE PLEASE FOR THE RECORD? UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IT'S A RUN OF THE MILL CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE, UM, WITH STANDARD, IT HAS STANDARD CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT IT. AND QUESTION FOR STAFF REAL QUICK. SO OUR PURVIEW, DOES THAT COVER THE OPERATION OF THE WINDOW, LIKE THE MECHANISMS, THE WEIGHTS, THE PULLEYS AND ALL THAT STUFF? OR DOES THE PURVIEW ONLY COVER HOW IT LOOKS AND THE MATERIAL FROM THE OUTSIDE? CORRECT. WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDELINES THAT REQUIRES THE OPERABILITY OF THE WINDOWS AS LONG AS THE APPEARANCE IS THE SAME AND THE MEET SAFETY CODES. CORRECT. WELL, EXISTING BUILDINGS DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY THE SAME WAY THAT A NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD, BUT YES. RIGHT. THANK YOU. CODES OF THE ERA THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR THAT HOUSE. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, IS THIS HOUSE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT? IT IS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GROUP. OH, IF YOU WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, OR, I'M SORRY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY? I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT I, I THINK THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS THE REQUIREMENT. I THINK THAT THEY HAVE MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO COMPLY. AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS INCREASES THE VALUE OF THEIR HOME, UM, AND MEETS THE INTENT OF THE GUIDELINES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. YEAH, I, I CONCUR. I MEAN, I, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS PUT EFFORT IN OTHER, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I, I CONCUR. I THINK HE'S PUT EFFORT INTO OTHER ASPECTS OF HIS HOUSE, UH, IN OTHER AREAS AND MADE AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE. UH, THERE COMES A TIME WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MOVE INTO THE NEXT CENTURY. SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GROUP. YEAH, SO MY COMMENTS WERE GOOD. LIKE, I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE, I MEAN, I FEEL FOR THE OWNERS, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN, OUR PURVIEW IS WHETHER OR NOT, UH, REPLACING WINDOWS, WHETHER THEY'RE UNREPAIRABLE OR NOT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE NOT REPAIRABLE, THAT'S KIND OF OUR PURVIEW. THAT'S THE GUIDELINES. AND I STAND BY THAT. I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT ON THAT IN THIS BOARD. AND I THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE OWNERS WANT WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE ON, I CAN'T USE, IT'S IN A CASE BY CASE, BUT IT'S A FULL REPLACEMENT OF ALL WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE. AND SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT COMMISSIONER FISH HAS HIS HAND RAISED AS WELL. YES. COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I WOULD, UH, CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER. I THINK THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE KIND OF TWO STEPS HERE. THE FIRST STEP IS THE GUIDELINES DIRECT US THAT IF THE WINDOWS ARE GOING TO BE REPAIRABLE, THAT THEY'RE REPAIRABLE, THAT THEY'D BE REPAIRED. IF THEY'RE BEYOND REPAIR, THEN THEY'D BE REPLACED IN COMMON. UM, ANY WINDOWS THAT WOULD BE DOCUMENTED BEYOND REPAIR WOULD BE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE GUIDELINES FOR REPLACEMENT WITH WOOD WINDOWS. AND I THINK THERE IS A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE, THE HISTORIC MATERIAL, THE ASSET OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL IS LESS OF A CONSEQUENCE, AND THAT'S WHERE THE GUIDELINES GENERALLY ALLOW US SOME FLEXIBILITY. BUT THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE [00:40:01] CASES. SO I'LL, I'LL BE JOINING. COMMISSIONER GRU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO JUST CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP, COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, AND, AND TO EMPHASIZE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE LISTENING TO THIS, UM, THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE FAMOUS DIDN'T LIVE AT THE HOUSE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT HISTORIC. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEREFORE IT IS TREATED LIKE IT AS IF IT WERE AN INDIVI INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK BY THE, UM, BY THE STANDARDS. AND, UM, I MIGHT ALSO, UH, JUST EMPHASIZE THAT THIS, THE SORT OF THE LOGIC FLOW THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER FIT MENTIONED WAS EXACTLY WHERE I LAND. UM, YOU, YOU DETERMINE THE CONDITION OF THE FIRST AND THEN ONLY AFTERWARDS YOU, YOU CONSIDER ITS REPLACEMENT, ITS REPLACEMENT AND KIND. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THE SOUND AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THOSE ARE IMPORTANT CONSIDERATIONS, BUT THEY'RE SECONDARY TO THE WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO ON THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD, UM, SAY THAT STAFF HAS HAD THIS RIGHT AND BASED ON THE, UH, SITE VISIT AND OBSERVATIONS THERE, THAT, UM, FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES, WHICH, UH, HOPEFULLY WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT ON. IF THEY ARE NOT, IF THEY ARE REPAIRABLE, THEY, THEY SHOULD BE REPAIRED. SO I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. UM, MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS NAYYY FISH, NAYYY SAVINO NAY MOOKA AYE. CARPENTER, YE, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? NAYYY. THANK YOU. GRO NAY. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE THAT SIR NAY? MOTION FAILS. MOTION FAILS. MAY WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REQUEST FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? CAN I JUST, JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING REAL QUICK THOUGH? YEAH. IF WE DO A DENIAL THAT GIVES THE APPLICANT AN OPTION TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO I THINK OH, OKAY. ALSO, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL. JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, I THINK IT'S OH, OH, EXCUSE ME. YES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, I MOTION THAT WE DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. STILL A SECOND. THANK YOU. MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. MOOKA NAY. CARPENTER GRO. AYE. CERVANTES, NO. BAKER NAY. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE, H D R C CASE 2022 DASH 5 77 3 0 5 LAVACCA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING DIRECT TWO TWO STORY STRUCTURES AND ONE TWO STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURE AT 3 0 5. LAVACCA STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH DD STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A SETBACK DIAGRAM SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES WILL NOT BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE FRONT FACADE, WALL PLAINS OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES. TWO. THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A SET, UH, DIAGRAM SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES IN RELATION TO NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES, INCLUDING PROPOSED FOUNDATION AND FLOOR HEIGHTS. THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCES THE MASSING OF UNIT THREE, THE TWO STORY DUPLEX STRUCTURE AND SEPARATES THE BUILDING MASSING INTO DISTINGUISHABLE ARCHITECTURAL BAYS THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE MASSING OF THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND SUBMITS A LINE OF SIGHT STUDY FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT'S, UH, WINDOWS COMPLY WITH STAFF STANDARD WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS. FIVE. THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SILL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. SIX. THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSES THE CANTILEVER [00:45:01] BALCONIES AT THE REAR OF UNITS ONE AND TWO SO THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC GOAL CONTEXT AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. SEVEN. THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS DETAILS FOR THE PRO PROPOSED FRONT PORCH COLUMNS AND RAILING BASED ON FINDINGS P AND Z. UM, EIGHT THAT THE FRONT WALKWAYS MATCH THE FRONT WALKWAY MATERIALS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT NINE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT AND SUBMITS AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C AND 10 THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND OBTAINS A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IF APPLICABLE. AND THE APPLICANT, TIM ROGERS IS WITH US IN PERSON. THE PROPERTY OWNER, ANTHONY PIRS PEARSON MAY BE WITH US VIRTUALLY, AND WE DO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL TO BE HEARD AND ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. THANK YOU TIM ROGERS. WE'VE, UH, I'LL SHOW UNIT THREE HERE AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO SUBMITTED UPDATES THAT WE CAN SHARE AS WELL. SIR, I THINK THAT MICROPHONE NEEDS TO BE TURNED ON. IF YOU COULD HIT THE BUTTON ON THE MICROPHONE. WE HAD TURNED IT OFF EARLIER BECAUSE THERE'S FEEDBACK, SO OKAY. WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE IT ON NOW, . OKAY. AFTER THE UH, D N R MEETING LAST WEEK, WE REDESIGNED UNIT THREE TO ADDRESS THE, UH, MASSING ISSUES. UH, THE OTHER TWO UNITS I THINK WE WERE, HAD REACHED SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT ON ALREADY. SO ALL I'VE CHANGED ON THOSE WAS THE WINDOWS. UH, ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE LIST WE'VE ADDRESSED IN THE NEW DESIGN. UH, WE'VE GOT A STEP BACK MASSING THAT'S, THIS IS OFF OF GARFIELD ALLEY, SO THERE'S A SINGLE STORY NEXT DOOR. UH, ACTUALLY A SINGLE STORY ON EITHER SIDE. THE ADOBE HOUSE, I THINK Y'ALL JUST DID A VISIT LAST WEEK, UH, GOING DOWN GARFIELD ALLEY TOWARDS THE HOTEL. IT'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOUSES DOWN BEFORE YOU GET A TWO STORY. BUT GOING THE OTHER WAY, IT'S THE NEXT CORNER ARE TWO STORY HOUSES RIGHT UP TO THE SITE SETBACK. SO, BUT WE HAVE MADE OURS, UH, ONE STORY ON THE CURB AND THEN IT STEPS UP AND STEPS UP AND STEPS UP. SO REALLY JUST LIKE TO GET Y'ALL'S COMMENTS ON THE NEW DESIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO SUPPORTS STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN. THE MASS OF THE REAR DUPLEX STRUCTURE FACING GARFIELD ALLEY NEEDS TO BE REDUCED WHILE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN UNITS ONE AND TWO NEEDS TO BE INCREASED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LAVACCA MENTIONS, UH, PARKING YES. EXCUSE ME, PARKING CONDITIONS. UM, WAS THAT PART OF THE UPDATE OF YOUR PLAN? I THINK WE HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT, BUT I CAN GO THROUGH IT'S PLEASE DO. THERE'S, THERE'S SIX SPACES ON SITE. MM-HMM. , THERE'S THREE SPACES ON LAVACA. WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED BY CODE TO HAVE FIVE. THAT'S A TOTAL OF NINE THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, AND I WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME. IS PARKING ON, UH, GARFIELD ALLEY? MM-HMM. , IF YOU GO DOWN THERE ANYTIME OF DAY, THERE'S PEOPLE PARKED ON THAT SIDE, BUT I DID NEVER INCLUDED THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT NINE SPACES ALREADY. BUT THAT INCLUDES IT AS A TANDEM CONDITION, CORRECT. THREE TANDEMS MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . AND IF THEY WERE NOT TANDEM, THESE ARE THREE SLOTS, RIGHT? THREE AISLES OF PARKING? YES. OKAY, THANK YOU. THE, UM, RACHEL, THESE LATEST DRAWINGS HAS, UH, STAFF UPDATED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THESE, THESE UPDATES THAT WERE SHOWING WERE NOT INCLUDED IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THE PREVIOUS UPDATES WERE INCLUDED IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WITH THE PUBLISHED AGENDA. OKAY. 'CAUSE IN THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL THERE WAS A DOCUMENT THAT SHOWED ADJACENT SETBACKS AND BUILDING HEIGHTS, AND THAT'S INCLUDED ON, WELL, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT ON PAGE ONE [00:50:01] OF GO TO UNIT ONE AND UNIT TWO, THE FIRST PAGE. IT'S INCLUDED THERE. OKAY. RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO SIR, UM, LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN READING OVER THE CASE AND THEN ALSO THE LETTERS IN THE FILE. UM, IT, IT SEEMS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE RELUCTANT TO DO TO, TO ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUE THAT YOU, YOU BASICALLY STATED THAT, UM, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT ALREADY. AND, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, YOU KNOW, ALSO HAS A CONCERN ABOUT IT AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS. SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT? OR DO YOU EVEN REALLY EVEN CHOOSE TO ADDRESS? I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE OBJECTION. I'VE GOT NINE SPACES AND I'M ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE FIVE. EVEN IF YOU COUNTED THE TWO, THE TANDEMS AS SINGLES, WHICH I DON'T, BUT THAT'S THREE THERE AND THREE IN FRONT. THAT'S SIX. AGAIN, I'M ONLY REQUIRED FIVE, SO I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE OBJECTION. OKAY. UH, THAT'S IT FOR RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES SOMEBODY IN D R C WANNA GIVE A, I WOULD LIKE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE SETBACK DIAGRAM THAT YOU SENT MM-HMM. . SO WHAT'S THE FRONT SETBACK OF YOURS? OURS IS THE SETBACK. THE CITY SETBACK IS 15, WE'RE AT 20. YOU'RE AT 20. SAME AS THE LADY, THE LA BOTH ON EITHER SIDE OF US. THEY'RE AT 20. WE'RE AT 20. OKAY. SO JUST I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. SO IF YOU WALK ME THROUGH IT, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT WERE THE MAJOR CHANGES FROM UNIT THREE THAT YOU DID? BASED ON WHAT'S THE FRONT FACADE? YEAH, SO THERE'S THE WHOLE STEP BACK GABLES. YEAH. RIGHT. UHHUH . SO INSTEAD WE'VE MOVED THE SECOND STORY MASSING AWAY FROM THE CURB. SO NOW WE'VE GOT LAYERED STEP UP TO KIND OF SOFTEN THAT TWO STORY ELEMENT. AND WHAT IS YOUR HEIGHT ON THE SECOND STORY? ON THE 27 FEET, WHICH THE HIGHEST ONE IN THE NEIGHBORING AREAS IS 32, BUT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ARE ONE STORY. AND THE ONE ON THE CORNER THAT YOU SAID WAS A TWO STORY, THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET IS AT 30, I BELIEVE THE ONE STORY ACTUALLY NEXT DOOR IS THE HIGHEST ONE ON THE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REALLY PITCHED ROOF. THAT ONE'S AT 32. OH, AT 30, OKAY. AND THEN, UM, DID, DID THAT THE TWO, I DON'T KNOW, PITCHES, ROOF PITCHES FOR THE, UH, ABOVE THE FRONT DOORS, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT D R C? YOU WANTED TO SEPARATE IT INSTEAD OF DOING ONE OR WHAT WAS THE REASON BEHIND THAT? YEAH, IT WAS, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DISCUSSED TO, TO MAKE THE, THE BIG BUILDING LOOK LIKE SMALLER BUILDINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE, THE ROOF LINES WERE DESIGNED TO DO WAS FROM THE CURB MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S TWO SMALLER BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF ONE BIG ONE. I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THERE YET ON THAT, BUT I DON'T, THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR NOT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR SURE. UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF, SO I'M JUST GONNA SEE IF I HAVE, UM, I'LL, I'LL SEE IF THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. OH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I DO WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE PARKING. OKAY. I'M A BIG, UM, BIG FAN OF FOLLOWING UP ON PARKING AND MAKING SURE THAT EACH UNIT HAS ONE SPOT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT ON YOUR PROPERTY YOU HAVE SIX UNITS, SIX PARKING SPOTS, SIX PARKING SPOTS, CORRECT. SIX PARKING SPOTS ON YOUR PROPERTY. YES. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE TANDEM. YOU HAVE FOUR UNITS. WHO'S THE SUCKER WHO GETS BLOCKED IN WHOEVER DOESN'T WANNA PARK ON THE CURB ON THE FRONT SIDE. SO WHAT IS THE MEANS BY WHICH YOU WOULD MANAGE THAT? IT'S, IT'S ALL FAMILY. IT'S ALL FAMILY? YES. OKAY. AND SO THE PARKING SPACES ON THE FRONT ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY? CORRECT. YES. SO THOSE ARE NOT INSURED OR EVEN A INSURED FOR THESE PARTICULAR UNITS. SO I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT THREE SLOTS HOLDING TWO CARS EACH, ESSENTIALLY. RIGHT. WHICH IS WHY WE DESIGNED IT THAT WAY. SO THAT ACTUAL ONSITE COVERS WHAT'S REQUIRED. YEAH. EVEN THOUGH THOSE OTHERS, THEY EXIST, PEOPLE PARK THERE ALL THE TIME MM-HMM. , BUT I DON'T COUNT THEM AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE SIX, WE NEED FIVE. CORRECT. UM, I DO WANT TO COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE D R C AND SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE MASSING AND, UH, THE, THE FRONTAGES. I, I WAS PART OF THIS LAST ONE AND MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. AND, UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I I DO THINK THAT THE MASSING IS, IS A BIT MUCH ON GARFIELD, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CHARACTER OF GARFIELD. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE, WHAT DO YOU SAY, THE, THE EXCHANGE OR THE UNDULATION BETWEEN ONE FACADE, UH, TWO, TWO ENTRIES ON ONE BUILDING, TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS, ALL THAT GOING BACK AND FORTH. [00:55:01] MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS D C'S ATTEMPT TO HELP YOU FIND THE RIGHT ANSWER. IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A TACIT APPROVAL THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO. I THINK SOME OF THESE COMMENTS ARE PUT OUT THERE SO THAT YOU EXPLORE DIFFERENT MEANS TO ALLOW THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN TO BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING BLOCK PHASE OF GARFIELD. SO THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S SOME CONFUSION OF, ONCE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME YOU WANTED THIS AND THIS TIME WE'RE DOING THIS. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE, PART OF THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, THE, UH, COMMUNICATION, UM, AND WHY YOU'RE SEEMINGLY GETTING SOME DIFFERENT COMMENTS. OKAY. AS INDIVIDUALS WITH GOOD FAITH ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE THIS MASSING ISSUE. AND AGAIN, DRIVING UP AND DOWN GARFIELD TWO HOUSES, OVER TWO, TWO TOY STORY BUILDINGS RIGHT UP ON THE CURB. THERE'S NO SETBACKS. THERE'S, THEY'RE JUST STRAIGHT TWO STORY BUILDINGS. OH, RIGHT. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INDIANOLA. YES. I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ALSO, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, D R C I HAD REQUESTED A LINE, SIMPLE LINE DRAWING SHOWING ELEVATIONS AND, UM, THE NEIGHBORS ON GARFIELD SO WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO. AND WAS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THIS NEW PACKAGE? THIS NO, THAT'S COVERED BY THE, THE CHARTS. I DIDN'T HAVE, I'M SPENDING SO MUCH REDRAWING EVERY TIME. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO INVEST IN THAT DRAWING. OKAY, THANK YOU. BUT ALL THOSE ANSWERS ARE IN THE CHART AND THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE, YOU CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL HOUSES MARKED. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, JUST MAYBE ONE LAST QUESTION. SO, UH, WHEN YOU GAVE ME THE HEIGHTS, YOU'RE GIVING ALL THE LAVACCA, BUT UNIT THREE FACES GARFIELD, RIGHT? THIS UNIT THREE? YES. OKAY. AND THE HEIGHTS FOR THOSE ARE ON THE CHART ALSO. OKAY. 'CAUSE ON THE CHART I JUST SEE LA VACA AND THEN ONE GARFIELD ADDRESS NUMBER 17, THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. YES. SO THERE'S ONLY ONE, OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. THE, I JUST GAVE THE, THE MAX HEIGHT FOR THE SITE. THAT'S THE MAX. THERE IS LIKE EXISTING, THAT'S THE HIGHEST ONE ON GARFIELD ALLEY. CAN YOU SHOW US RIGHT NOW WHERE, WHERE THAT WOULD BE? UH, 17. OKAY. SO LIKE CATTY CORNER FROM YOUR PROPERTY? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO DOWN. SO JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION? WE'RE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE. YES, SIR. YES. COMMISSIONER FISH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IF WE COULD LOOK AT THE, THE SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE PARKING. I JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT ADJACENCY AND IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO MUTE THE MIC AT THE PODIUM FOR JUST A MOMENT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME. OKAY. SO THE, MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, UH, UPPERMOST PARKING SPACE AND THE BUILDING FACADE IN TERMS OF FEET. I DIDN'T SEE A DIMENSION THERE OR, UM, IF THERE IS ANY REAR ACCESS TO WHAT'S LABELED UNIT THREE. AND ALSO I BELIEVE THEY'RE CANTILEVERED BALCONIES OFF OF UNIT THREE THAT APPEAR TO OVERHANG THAT PARKING. IF YOU COULD JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DIMENSIONAL CLARITY THERE FOR ME, I'D APPRECIATE IT. THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PARKING SPACE AND THE BUILDING IS ABOUT FOUR FEET. THE CANTILEVER WOULD GO OUT, I SAY THE CANTILEVER IS FOUR FEET, SO IT WOULD COME A ABOVE IT, IT WOULD COME UP TO THE EDGE OF THE PARKING SPOT AND THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH THAT IS, UM, ONLY IT'S ON THE DRIVE. THE ACCESS IS ONLY FROM GARFIELD ALLEY. WHAT WAS THE DRIVEWAY WIDTH AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE BUILDING EDGE, THE ALL THAT IS DECOMPOSED GRANITE. SO IT GOES RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING. AND WHAT IS THAT CLEAR WIDTH BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINE? UH, 10 FEET. 10 FEET FIRE FOR DRIVEWAY IS NINE AND A HALF. AND IF YOU'RE, IF [01:00:01] YOU'RE MOVING, YOU KNOW, DOWN THAT DRIVEWAY AND YOU'RE TURNING INTO THAT FIRST SPOT THAT THERE'S, THERE REALLY ISN'T, YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT, YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT RADIUS MAX, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU COULD BACK IN THERE SO YOU COULD GO STRAIGHT AND THEN BACK IN. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. THAT'D PROBABLY BE THE ONLY WAY TO UTILIZE THAT IS TO, TO PASS IT OR IF THERE'S A CLEAR SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT YOU CAN PASS OVER. UM, ONE MORE QUESTION ACTUALLY. HOW ARE THESE SPACES GONNA BE DELINEATED IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPE YOU'RE DESCRIBING DECOMPOSED GRANITE? IS THAT GONNA BE EDGED AND WHAT IS THE MATERIAL THAT DEFINES THOSE SPACES? I AM, I WAS THINKING WE'LL DO SOME KIND OF LIKE A, EITHER A RAILROAD TIE OR SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE PARKING SPOTS, BUT IT'LL BE VERY NARROW. OKAY. THANK YOU. A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF, SIR. YES. COMMISSIONER SANTES. JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY REAL QUICK. I KNOW I ASKED THIS THE LAST TIME LAST YEAR, BUT THAT BUILDING THAT EMPTY LOT NEXT TO IT, THERE'S A BUILDING OF STRUCTURE THERE THAT, DID YOU EVER FIND OUT WHAT THAT STRUCTURE WAS OR HOW OLD IT WAS? NO. STAFF HAS NOT CONDUCTED RESEARCH, UM, ON THAT PROPERTY IN THE REVIEW OF THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. UH, COMMISSIONER SIMINO JUST INFORMED ME THAT IT'S PROBABLY AROUND THE 1870S OR 1880S BASED ON HER RESEARCH, BUT OKAY. THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. COMMISSIONER? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CONCUR WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IS THAT, IS THAT A MOTION FOR, UH, UH, DENIAL OF, UH, DENIAL OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME? OR IS IT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF CONCEPTUAL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL THE STAFF STIPULATION TO CLARIFY, THAT'S A MOTION TO OF DENIAL AS THE STAFF RECOMMENDED. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ANY DISCUSSION MR. CHAIR? IF I MAY ADD JUST YES. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT BY THE LETTER OF THE, OF THE CODE, THE, UH, THE DESIGNER HAS COMPLIED WITH THE PARKING, BUT I WOULD NOT WANT TO PARK IN ANY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES AND CERTAINLY NOT IF I OWNED A PICKUP TRUCK. UH, I JUST THINK IT'D BE THE TURN RADIUS, THE, THE SPACES. IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY WHO HAD TO ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR CAR, UM, AND OPEN A DOOR OR PULL SOMETHING OUT. JUST VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK. AND YOU, YOU HAVE TO TRUST THAT ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS WERE GOOD PARKERS TOO. AND THAT, AND SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT, THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. UM, AND, AND I KNOW THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAVE, UH, DONE SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS AND I CAN'T SAY THAT, UH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA QUITE HONESTLY. BUT I JUST THINK THAT SINCE WE'RE IN THE CONCEPTUAL PHASE, I, I WOULD RATHER, YOU KNOW, MAKE, HAVE SOME SMART INPUT NOW AND, AND MAKE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY AND BE A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE. 'CAUSE IT'S IN A GREAT LOCATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? I'M GONNA ADD SOMETHING. UM, I THINK FROM THE LAST YEAR WE'VE APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY ABOUT ANOTHER TWO PROJECTS ON GARFIELD. I THINK IT'S A, IT'S AN ALLEY THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BE MORE BUILT. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL HOMES ON GARFIELD ALLEY AND, AND SOME AND THEN SOME EMPTY LOTS. UM, AND IT'S VERY HARD TO BUILD SOME THINGS. I THINK IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN CONSTRUCTION OR NOT YET. UM, THEY DON'T REALLY, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPLY A LOT WITH WHAT WE ASK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, SMALLER HOMES. AND I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT THERE YET WITH YOUR FRONT. AND THE UNIT THREE, UM, UNIT THREE BECOMES IMPORTANT EVEN THOUGH YOUR ADDRESS IS LA VACA. BUT IT DOES BECOME IMPORTANT. PARKING, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. I THINK THIS PARKING SITUATION IS IMPOSSIBLE. I MEAN, WHETHER YOU REDUCE UNIT THREE, MAKE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, REDUCE IT MORE SO THERE'S MORE PARKING, SAFER PARKING, UM, MAYBE THAT'S A SOLUTION. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE, WE ARE NOT APPROVING CONCEPTUAL. I DO AGREE WITH THAT BASED ON STILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO PRODUCE MASSING THREE. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I, I ALWAYS APPRECIATE WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN IN [01:05:01] COMMUNICATION WITH THEM, BUT THEY ARE, IT'S, LAVACCA IS ONE OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING, BUT THEY, I MEAN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE APPROVED AS A NEW BUILD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES ALSO BLEND IN WITH WHAT'S EXISTING AND THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE THERE. UH, I I WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO ADD ON TO MR. COMMISSIONER GRU'S POINT THERE IS BECAUSE YOU WANT IT TO BLEND IN. I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF STRUCTURE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE WITHIN THE GUIDELINES, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WITHIN THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ALLOCATED AMOUNT YOU CAN PUT ON THAT LOT, UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD. SO I WOULD RE-LOOK AT THE OVERALL IMPACT THAT, THAT THOSE STRUCTURES HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S JUST A LITTLE TOO MUCH. AND THEN I WOULD ADD THAT, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION IN THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP TO NOW, AND HOPEFULLY WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS HERE AND OTHER COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED TODAY, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO REFINE THIS. UH, I WOULD AGREE THAT THE, UH, YOU'VE WORKED HARD ON UNIT THREE, BUT, UH, MASS WISE IT'S STILL, UM, SOMEWHAT OVERWHELMING FOR THE ALLEY LOCATION. AND SO, UH, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YIPS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. MSIKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AND REACH OUT TO STAFF. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE ANOTHER INFORMAL DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 9 9 3 27 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT ONE TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE AND ONE ONE-STORY DETACHED GARAGE AT 3 27 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH Y STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS PRIOR TO RECEIVING A RECOMMENDATION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A SETBACK THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND ON THE BLOCK. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORING TWO STORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING PROPOSED FOUNDATION AND FLOOR HEIGHTS. THREE. STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD SIMPLIFY THE PROPOSED MATERIAL PALETTE AND INCORPORATE MATERIALS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE BLOCK. FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOWS THAT ARE THAT MEET STAFF STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. FIVE, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SEAL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. SIX. THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATES ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE RESPECTFUL OF THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES. SEVEN, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A PORCH ENTRY AREA THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE PORCHES OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES IN THE VICINITY. EIGHT, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE FOUND HISTORICALLY IN THE DISTRICT AND SUBMITS A COMPREHENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN TO STAFF PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C AND NINE THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A GARAGE DOOR PRODUCT THAT IS SIMILAR IN MATERIAL AND APPEARANCE TO GARAGE DOORS FOUND TRADITIONALLY IN THE DISTRICT PRIOR TO RETURNING TO THE H D R C AND THE APPLICANT. RAUL SALDOVAR IS WITH US VIRTUALLY. THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS. RAUL, CAN YOU UNMUTE YOURSELF? THERE WE GO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. HELLO. UM, MY NAME IS RAUL AND I AM HERE AND, UH, REPRESENTING THE CLIENT AND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND WE'RE PRESENTING THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, SINGLE RESIDENCE FOR YOUR APPROVAL. AND WE ARE SHOWING SOME OF THE, I KNOW ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS TO PROVIDE A DIAGRAM SHOWING THE HEIGHTS OF THE, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE PROPORTION TO THE OTHER NEIGHBORING, UM, PROPERTIES. AND YOU CAN SEE ON HERE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DID AND WE SHOWED WHAT THE HIGHEST STRUCTURES IN IN THE, IN THAT BLOCK. YES, SIR. IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS STAFF'S COMMENTS. SURE. AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS IS THAT, UH, TALKED ABOUT WINDOW SIZES AND, UH, THERE'S A PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO OURS, WHICH IS 3 55 AND IT'S [01:10:01] VERY SIMILAR TO THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, DESIGN THAT WE HAVE. AND THAT ONE'S APPROVED AND IS LIKE MAYBE TWO HOUSES OVER TO THAT. AND OUR WINDOWS ARE, UM, ALUMINUM CLAD, UH, WITH WINDOWS. SO THEY ARE RECESSED ARE THE WIND, WHICH OF THE WINDOWS ARE OPERABLE? THE ONE THERE'S ON THE LEFT SIDE, UH, UH, ELEVATION, THERE'S TWO OF 'EM. AND THEN IN ALL THE BEDROOM, UH, WINDOWS ARE OPERABLE. THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT A PORCH, UH, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON, UH, 3 55, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A PORCH. WE'RE ADDING A A PORCH TO THAT TO OUR DESIGN. OKAY. UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER GROUP? SOMEBODY WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT D R C? YES, I WAS ON A D R C ABOUT A MONTH AGO. WE DISCUSSED, UM, WINDOWS ON, AT THE TIME THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD SOME LARGE EXPANSES OF EXTERIOR WALLS WITHOUT WINDOWS. AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE, UH, THAT HAS, UH, BEEN ADDRESSED SOMEWHAT. UH, THE RENDERING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, UH, DID NOT MATCH THE CURRENT PLAN, AND THAT HAS BEEN UPDATED, UH, WITH WINDOWS ALONG THE EAST SIDE THERE ALONG THE DRIVE. UM, LET'S SEE. WE DID ASK ABOUT THE SETBACKS, WHICH, UH, INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED HERE THAT, UH, ON THE STREET IT SAYS THE AVERAGE SETBACK IS 26.4 FEET AND THE SETBACK FOR THIS PROPERTY IS, WELL, IT'S 15 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT, UH, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT THE SETBACK IS FROM THE CURB? YES, IT'S THE SETBACK FROM THE, FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE IS, IS 15, BUT LEMME SEE, I'M SORRY, HERE, 15 FEET, SEVEN INCHES TO THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. THEN SETBACKS THAT ARE YOU'VE LISTED HERE ON THIS, UM, IMAGE HERE. IS THAT THE SETBACK FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE OR FROM THE CURB? FROM THE CURB. OKAY. SO WHAT IS YOUR SETBACK FROM THE CURB? LET ME, UH, GET THAT REAL QUICK. IT'S MY APOLOGIES. GIMME ONE SECOND. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I THINK SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STIPULATION AND CAN I ASK OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO NOT HAVE SIDE CONVERSATIONS WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING? PLEASE, MR. CHAIR, CAN WE KEEP THAT? UM, YES. OKAY. UM, SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS, UH, THAT I THINK STAFF HAVE A RIGHT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE DISCUSSED. I THINK THAT'S WHY WE PRESENT IT TO D R C IS ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, THE WINDOW [01:15:01] ADMINISTRATION STYLE IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE FIND NORMALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THE KIND OF LIKE THE MATERIALS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON THAT BLOCK. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ONE PROPERTY AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT I AM, I DON'T SEE THIS REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE USUALLY SEE BEING INTRODUCED IN A HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LEMME GO BACK, I'M SORRY, LE ON REGARDING TO THAT SETBACK, IT'S, UH, 20 FEET, NINE INCHES TO THE CURB. SO 20 FEET NINE AND THE AVERAGE IS 26? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, AND IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, THE COMMENT THAT PREVIOUSLY MADE ON THE OTHER RESIDENCE THAT WAS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IF I, IF THEY HAVE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE, WHY ARE WE BEING KIND OF TAGGED ON THAT AND, AND IT WAS APPROVED ON, ON THEIRS? AND I AGREE WITH YOU , I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WAS APPROVED OR WHAT, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER SEEING IT. I'VE BEEN ON HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS. IT'S, UH, IT'S PRETTY NEW RESIDENCE, UH, MR. CHAIR. YES. I, I STEP IN, UH, ON BEHALF OF STAFF. UM, THE PROCESS WORKS THAT STAFF WILL GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN IT GOES TO A COMMISSION. UH, ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE THE COMMISSION THAT APPROVES THAT. THE COMMISSION THAT EXISTED FOUR, SIX YEARS AGO, UH, WAS A VERY DIFFERENT ONE. AND SO IT IS JUST AS WE LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND PROJECTS AND ON CASE BY CASE BASIS THERE, UM, OUTCOMES BASED ON COMMISSION FEEDBACK WILL ALSO BE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS WELL. UH, TYPICALLY WHAT I LOOK FOR IS, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW DESIGN THAT MEETS THE GUIDELINES AS FAR AS RESPONDING TO THE HISTORIC HOUSES THAT, THAT EXIST IN THE DISTRICT. UM, I DON'T ENCOURAGE NEW CONSTRUCTION APPLICANTS TO USE OTHER NEW CONSTRUCTION AS PRECEDENTS. UM, BUT THAT'S MY, UM, PERSPECTIVE. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WAS THAT DISCUSSED AT D R C? IT WAS NOT CHAIRMAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. COMMISSIONER FISH HAS HIS NAME, RIGHT? YES. COMMISSIONER FISH. I JUST HAVE A VERY QUICK QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND YES, SIR. UM, I BELIEVE I HEARD THAT THE PROPOSED SETBACK IS 2020 0.9 FEET FROM THE CURB, AND I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE TWO ADJACENT STRUCTURES EITHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH ARE BOTH SHOWING, WHICH ARE SHOWING A 21.7 FOOT SETBACK AND A 21.9. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE FACTS RIGHT ON THIS. OKAY, SURE. 21, 21 0.1 AND 21.7 IS WHAT WE SEE THERE. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING 20.9, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, UM, THE, THE QUESTION WAS IF, IF THE SETBACK WAS FROM UP TO THE CURB, AND SO I GRABBED THE DISTANCE IN FRONT OF THE STAIRS, WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH THE, THE FRONT PORCH, AND FROM THAT POINT TO THE CURB IS WHERE I GOT THAT 2020 5.9 SETBACK. 25.9. THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. THAT'S ALL I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR CLARITY ON. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , WAIT, BUT THAT'S THE FRONT PORCH, IS THAT, WHAT ABOUT THE, THE EXTRUDING PART OF WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE? THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S ALIGNED WITH THAT FRONT PORCH. OKAY. OKAY. THE STAIR AND THE PORCH ARE, HAVE THE SAME SOUTH EDGE, WHICH YOU'RE SAYING IS 25.9 FEET FROM THE CURB, CORRECT? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. OKAY, THANK YOU. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE WAS ON THE D R C WITH THIS, UH, CASE PREVIOUSLY. UM, ONE SUGGESTION, IF THERE'S SOME RELUCTANCE TO APPROVE A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO SEND IT BACK TO A D R C AND, [01:20:01] UH, GET A TWO OR THREE MORE COMMISSIONERS INVOLVED TO MAKE, UM, SUGGESTIONS. I GUESS I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION GROUP I CAN, UM, TO THE APPLICANT. LIKE, I DON'T WANNA BE WASTING YOUR TIME OR OUR TIME, BUT IF, IF THE WHOLE DESIGN IS BASED IS YOUR WHOLE DESIGN BASED ON THAT PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET, WILL YOU BE WILLING TO CHANGE YOUR DESIGN TO COMPLY WITH MORE OF THE WHAT SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF ARE PRESENTING? WELL, I MEAN, OUR, MY CLIENT IS, LIKES THE DESIGN AS IS. UH, I CAN GO BACK AND ASK HIM HOW MUCH WE HE HE'S WILLING TO CHANGE, BUT I GUESS THAT GOES, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YEAH. I'LL, I'LL DO A MOTION TO, UH, SEND THIS TO A D R C. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND MOTION? A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I MEAN, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I WOULD SAY, I DON'T WANNA WASTE THE APPLICANT'S TIME OR MY TIME, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT A DESIGN THAT I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF. NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, CHANGING A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE SETBACKS BEEN CLARIFIED, BUT I THINK THE TWO IMPORTANT, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE WHOLE DESIGN. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO JUST GO DO A D R C AND NOT DISCUSS THAT IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE WINDOW FENESTRATION, THE STYLES AND THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE RESPECTFUL TO THE HISTORIC CONTEXT. I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET, I DON'T KNOW, BUT AS COMMISSIONER SAVINA WOULD AGREE WITH HER, I'M NOT GONNA USE THAT AS A, AS A, WELL, I MEAN, AND SO I, I REALLY WANT, IT'S KIND HARD, IT'S KIND OF HARD AND I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT. NO, BUT IT'S JUST VERY HARD IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE 1, 2, 2 HOUSES OVER. BUT IT'S ONLY ONE OF MANY. AND AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHY I, AND THAT IS, THIS IS JUST MY COMMENT HERE AND I DON'T WANNA BE WASTING ANYBODY'S TIME TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON D R C. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO SEND THIS TO D R C. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS HIS HAND RAISED? YES, MR. CHAIR. I GUESS MY COMMENT IS THAT I, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO LOOK ACROSS THE MONTE VISTA DISTRICT, YOU WOULD FIND EXAMPLES OF ECLECTIC OR, OR DESIGNS THAT WOULD NOT SEEM TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMES IN THAT AREA. I GUESS I LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THERE ARE SOME PHYSICAL STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED HERE, SUCH AS THE SETBACK AND SOME OF THOSE THAT I THINK, UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE SHAPE AND THE MASS AND THE APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE, THAT ABSOLUTELY MUST BE ADDRESSED. BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE D R C WOULD, WOULD PROVIDE SOME LENIENCY IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. AND, UH, AND THAT MONTE VISTA, I THINK PRIDES ITSELF ON, UH, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALITY AND, UH, AND UNIQUENESS. AND I THINK THAT THIS HOUSE AND, AND ITS DESIGN COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THAT OVERALL, UM, CONCEPT IN, IN MONTE VISTA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER THAT I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA WASTE TIME THE, UM, WITH A D R C UNLESS IT'S REALLY GONNA BE PRODUCTIVE. AND I THINK IN GENERAL, COMPARED TO THE, JUST THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT WE LOOKED AT, THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC CONTEXT. AND I THINK THE SCALE IS NICELY DONE BY LARGER CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THE FENESTRATION AND THE MATERIAL TREATMENT. UM, BUT I THINK, UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION AT D R C COULD ADDRESS THOSE. I THINK, UH, THIS ONE IS LIKE 80% THERE FOR ME AS FAR AS THE GENERAL MASSING SCALE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. UM, I THINK ALL THOSE ARE, ARE, UH, VERY, UH, HANDSOMELY DONE HERE. BUT I, I THINK THERE ARE STILL SOME LONG, UH, A LONG LIST OF STIPULATIONS FROM STAFF THAT PREVENT ME FROM BEING ABLE TO, UH, REALLY SUPPORT A OUTRIGHT CONCEPTUAL FROM AT THIS POINT. BUT I THINK YOU'RE GETTING THERE VERY QUICKLY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE, UM, ELEMENTS THAT WILL HELP THIS PROJECT. AND AGAIN, I AGREE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THIS IS, UM, VERY COMPATIBLE WITH THE, UH, BLOCK FACE AND THAT PART OF MONTE VISTA. IN ADDITION TO FENESTRATION, UM, MATERIALITY OF SKIN, UM, BUILDING SKIN AN [01:25:01] ENVELOPE, UM, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT FUTURE RENDERINGS AND DRAWINGS REALLY SHOW THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION. MOST OF THE FOUNDATIONS ARRAYS. AND AS WE SEE IN THE, THE PERSPECTIVE HERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS YOU KNOW, LOVELY AS IT IS, IT SHOWS A VERY, UM, UH, SLAB ON GRADE LOOK ABOUT IT. SO I WOULD GIVE ATTENTION TO THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT RELATIVE TO ITS NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH THE D R C OPTION. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE STAFF AND, AND THE COMMISSION TO ACTUALLY GET A GOOD SCHEDULE. 'CAUSE ONE THING IS LOOKING FOR D R C, ANOTHER THING IS GETTING TO IT AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN IT. AND SO I THINK THAT'S INCUMBENT ON US AND STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TIME IS COORDINATED WHERE WE HAVE MAX PARTICIPATION OR, YOU KNOW, KEY PARTICIPATION, UH, IN THE D R C. THANK YOU. HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ. OH, SORRY. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROB. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 11. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023. UH, 1 2 5 2 13 ALAMO PLAZA. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL OVERHEAD ROLLING SECURITY SHUTTERS TO THE STOREFRONT AT TWO 13 ALAMO PLAZA. THE PROPOSED DOORS WILL FEATURE PERFORATED METAL MATERIALS. THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE ALAMO PLAZA. HISTORIC DISTRICT STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A AND B. UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. OT IS HERE IN PERSON. UM, THERE ARE NO COMMENTS OR VOICEMAILS FOR THIS CASE? YES SIR. YOU MAY PROCEED. PERSON. YES, UH, HI COMMISSION. UH, MY NAME IS RE UM, WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S, UM, REALLY, UH, STRAIGHTFORWARD. UM, I HAVE, UM, MULTIPLE BREAK-INS TO THE STORE. UM, UH, I ATTACH SOME PICTURES. YOU GUYS ARE GONNA SEE. UM, I THINK THIS IS THE, LIKE PUTTING SOME SECURITY SHUTTERS. I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT THE STORE, UH, INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TRASH CANS IN FRONT OF THE WINDOWS OR, OR, UH, PLYWOOD ON THE WINDOWS. UM, OKAY. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP. IS THERE A SYSTEM THAT EXISTS THAT CAN BE PUT FROM THE INSIDE BUT YOU CAN'T GET OUT? RIGHT. WELL, GREAT QUESTION. SO I, I HAVE OTHER STORES AND, AND I ALSO HAVE SECURITY SHUTS AT MY OTHER STORES. BUT ESPECIALLY THIS PARTICULAR STORE, THE, THE ENTRANCE TO THE HIGH IS, IS REALLY LOW, SO THERE IS NO WAY FOR THEM TO PUT THE POSTS. SO I REALLY WANTED, WANTED THEM TO PUT IT INSIDE. THE STORE IS SO NARROW AND IT'S, SO THE, THE HIGH IS SO LOW, SO THEY SAY IT'S THE BEST OPTION TO PUT IT OUTSIDE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, UH, CONCRETE. UM, I KNOW STAFF DIDN'T, UM, UH, RECOMMEND IT, BUT, UM, IT, IT'LL BE ONLY VISIBLE FROM, UM, 11:00 PM 12:00 AM TO TILL SEVEN, 8:00 AM YOU KNOW, SO, UM, WE, WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS EVERY DAY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY, UM, VISIBLE, YOU KNOW, UM, FROM THE, OUR SIDE OF THE, THE AISLE OUTSIDE, EITHER ONLY AT NIGHTTIME. CAN I DO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? YES. ARE ANY OF THE OTHER STORES ALSO AFFECTED? UH, LIKE YOUR, YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS? HE HERE AND THERE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS WHAT YOU CARRY AT YOUR STORES, YOU KNOW, UM, THEY, THEY BREAK INTO, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BIG WINDOWS, SO, UM, IT'S REALLY EASY FOR THEM JUST TO BREAK THE WINDOW AND GO INSIDE, TAKE WHATEVER THEY CAN TAKE. UM, AND THEY USUALLY DO AT NIGHTTIME, UH, AROUND LIKE TWO, 3:00 AM SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD TO FIND A GLASS COMPANY WHO'S GONNA GO AT NIGHTTIME. UM, UH, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A HUSTLE, YOU KNOW. MR. CHAIR BAKER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IS, ARE IN THE PAST HAVE ANY, UH, STORE OWNERS, UH, REQUESTED SECURITY, UH, [01:30:01] EQUIPMENT LIKE THIS? AND, AND IF SO, WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE PAST GATES OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? MAYBE I CAN'T THINK OF A SPECIFIC ADDRESS OR CASE IN THE PAST. I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE RECEIVED REQUESTS, UH, WHETHER THOSE HAVE BEEN AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND WE'VE COMMUNICATED WITH AN APPLICANT THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT THE GUIDELINES WOULD SUPPORT OR THAT STAFF WOULDN'T SUPPORT. UM, BUT I, I CANNOT THINK OF AN INSTANCE WHERE WE'VE HAD A LOCATION OR STOREFRONT DOWNTOWN TO WHERE WE'VE REVIEWED RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND THE COMMISSIONS APPROVE THIS INSTALLATION. UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, MA'AM. UM, SO AN OVERHEAD DOOR ON THE OUTBOARD SIDE, ON THE PLAZA SIDE, I THINK IS REALLY A BAD IDEA ON THE INSIDE. YOU SAID YOU HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND STRUCTURALLY IT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE CEILING HEIGHT. WHAT ABOUT A SLIDING SCISSOR MECHANISM, OPERATING DOOR THAT COMES ACROSS THAT USES A SIMPLE FRAME, BUT COMES ACROSS ON THE INSIDE? HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THOSE PRODUCTS? UM, NO. I MEAN, INSIDE THE STORE, RIGHT. UM, THEN NO, I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT THAT ONE. YEAH, THERE'S A, YEAH, THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU, IT WOULD BE, UM, POST ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE STEEL, AND IT IS, YOU PULL IT ACROSS AND YOU SECURE IT AND IT'S METAL WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. I, I THINK THE, WHAT THIS LOOKS MORE PROFESSIONAL THAN, UM, THOSE, UM, IT'S ON THE INSIDE IN. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD LOOKED TO SOME OF THE OTHER NO, I HAVEN'T. I, TO BE HONEST, UH, IT'S THAT OPERATE FROM A DIFFERENT PLANE THAN FROM THE CEILING. UH, NO, I HAVEN'T. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES. COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE BREAK IN PROB THE BREAK-IN ISSUE IS A, A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THIS IMAGE ON HERE, AND I THINK IT KIND OF ILLUSTRATES WHY THIS IS, IS NOT ABLE TO BE DONE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES, IT'S THE TWO, UH, COLUMNS, RIGHT? AND LEFT HAND SIDE ARE USUALLY GONNA BE A STEEL POST WHERE THAT ARE GOING INTO THE SIDEWALK, INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY HERE, CARRYING A LARGE KIND OF CARRIAGE BOX OVERHEAD. AND WITHIN THOSE COLUMNS, ALSO THE TRACKS. SO THERE'S AN INTRODUCTION OF A WHOLE NEW LAYER OF MATERIAL ACROSS THE FACADE OF, UH, OF THIS STOREFRONT. AND I GUESS A QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS, IS THAT WHAT IS INTENDED WITH THE VERTICAL YELLOW, VERTICAL YELLOW ELEMENTS REPRESENTED HERE? YES, MR. FARRA. AND THAT IF YOU CAN GO TO THAT ELEVATION, THERE'S A, A YELLOW LINE DRAWN AROUND YOUR STOREFRONT? YES. SO WHAT THEY, THE POSTS ARE PRETTY MUCH ARE GOING TO BE ON THAT CONCRETE, UM, AND THE, THE, SO BALL AND THE, AND THEN THEY ARE GONNA MOUNT THE ROLL, ROLL ON WINDOW TOP OF IT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHERE THE, UH, YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED, UM, UM, UM, THE, THE, THE ON THE, ON THE PICTURE, YOU KNOW. OKAY. A QUESTION ON THE HOUSING FOR A ROLL DOWN UNIT LIKE THIS, HOW TALL WOULD THAT HOUSING BE? UM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE BASE WHERE THE, THE, THE BOX THAT IT ROLLS UP INTO? HOW TALL WILL THAT BE? UM, YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE, UM, I'M SO SORRY. WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONERS, I'LL FLIP THROUGH THE PRODUCT INFORMATION. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCREENS NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WHILE HE IS LOOKING FOR THAT. THANK YOU. UH, CHAIRMAN. UH, YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. ARE YOU PROPOSING THE, THE PERFORATED PUNCHED OR THE SOLID AND, UM, THE CHAIRMAN ALSO ANTICIPATING BY QUESTION ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BOX THAT THIS WOULD BE ROLLING UP INTO. UM, AND, AND A THIRD QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WITH A SINGLE DOOR GIVEN THE WIDTH OF YOUR STOREFRONT, OR ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO DO SEVERAL, LIKE THE DOMINO'S PIZZA ONE THERE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT THREE? IN THAT CASE, WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO TWO OR CAN YOU DO A SINGLE ONE? WELL, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE SINGLE ONE BECAUSE AS YOU SEE ON THE PICTURE, DOMINO'S HAS A REALLY BIG WINDOW. SO, UM, THEY DID, UH, THREE PARTS LIKE THIS, BUT, UH, AT MY STORE IT'S GOING TO BE ONLY ONE SHUTTER, WHICH IS GONNA GO FROM UP TO, UM, UP TO BOTTOM. UM, THE, ABOUT THE BOX, THE EXACT MEASUREMENT, I BELIEVE IT, UM, IT SHOULD BE, UH, ATTACHED WITH THE, UM, UH, THE EXACT MEASUREMENT. UM, EDWARD SHOULD HAVE IT, UH, I BELIEVE, UM, [01:35:02] SO, UH, I CAN'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. ARE YOU LOOKING AT, UH, PERFORATED OR SOLID, UH, SHUTTERS? UH, CAN YOU ASK ME ONE MORE TIME? I'M SORRY. YES, THE PRODUCT MATERIAL THAT YOU PROVIDE SHOWS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND ONE SHOWS WHERE THEY'RE PERFORATED AND THE OTHER WHERE IT'S SOLID IN THE SHUTTER, I'M SORRY, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, UM, WHATEVER THE STUFF IS GOING TO RECOMMEND ME. SO, UM, EITHER SOLID, EITHER, UM, UH, THE FIRST OPTION. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UH, IN SUPPORT OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, I MOVE FOR, UH, DENIAL. AND I ADD A COMMENT THAT THE PROPOSAL IS JUST REALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. AND IF, UH, HE WANTS TO PURSUE THIS FURTHER, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE THE PLACE TO DO SO. I THINK SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? WHO WAS THE SECOND CARPENTER? WE'LL TAKE CARPENTER. HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. UH OH, WAS GONNA COMMENT. OH, IMM, SORRY. COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT. AND I THINK STAFF HAS IT, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR YOUR STORE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE LOCATION OF YOUR STORE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S US NOT BEING COMPASSIONATE ON YOUR SECURITY ISSUE, BUT I THINK, UM, IT IS, IT'S AN HISTORIC BUILDING AND, AND THAT TYPE OF YOU, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IS YOU'RE ALTERING THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT'S YOU, IT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE ALL DAY. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT VISIBILITY WHEN IT'S DOWN, IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE INTRODUCING TO THE BUILDING. AND IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO, SORRY, UH, I, I, I RESPECT YOUR OPINION SO MUCH, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY BREAK INTO THE STORE, THERE ARE A LOT OF GLASS ON THE FLOOR, TOURISTS SEE IT, PEOPLE SEE IT. WE CANNOT OPEN THE STORE TILL 3:00 PM 4:00 PM UM, THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER WAY OF LOOK, YOU KNOW, LIKE FROM OUTSIDE, UH, WHEN THEY BREAK INTO THE STORE INSTEAD OF THE SECURITY SHUTTERS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY TOURISTIC AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, I WILL FIND ANOTHER WAY, OF COURSE, IF YOU GUYS REJECT IT, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES I CANNOT OPEN MY STORE TILL 3:00 PM 4:00 PM THERE ARE GLOVES ON THE FLOOR AND, AND, AND TOURIST, UH, SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK WHICH, UM, UM, DOESN'T LOOK, UM, MORE APPEALING THAN, UH, SECURITY SHUTTERS. UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. CHAIR. MAY. YES, COMMISSIONER. SO, I, I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, THAT AS FOR THE STAFF, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO WORK ACROSS THE CITY STAFF WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THE, THE OWNER, BECAUSE HE MAKES A VALID POINT THAT HE'S IN A VERY PROMINENT LOCATION. PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO SAN ANTONIO, TOP TOURIST CITY IN THE UNITED OR IN, IN THE STATE, AND THEY COME, THEY COME VISIT THE ALAMO, THEY LOOK RIGHT ACROSS THE WAY, AND IF THEY SEE BROKEN GLASS, THAT PRESENTS A VERY POOR IMAGE FOR THE CITY. SO I THINK THAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO ENSURE THAT AT LEAST THERE'S AN AMENABLE SOLUTION TO, TO ALLOW THE STORE OWNER TO SECURE THEIR, THEIR CITY. THAT ALSO MAINTAINS THE HISTORIC, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YOU, BUT I, I, I, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE CALL IN AN EX A SECURITY EXPERT TO HELP OUT. IT, IT REALLY TAKES THEM FIVE MINUTES TO, TO, TO MAKE $10,000 DAMAGE. YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S, IT'S THE, WHEN THEY COME, THEY COME LIKE FIVE GUYS, SIX GUYS. IT'S SO EASY FOR THEM TO MAKE UP TO $10,000 DAMAGE IN FIVE MINUTES. SO, UM, THERE HAS TO BE, UH, SECURITY OR, OR, OR POLICE OFFICER, UM, IN FRONT OF THE STORE ALL NIGHT, YOU KNOW? UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. OKAY, THANK YOU. NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD. YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UM, EITHER TAKE THIS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS AN APPEAL IF THIS, UH, DENIAL PASSES OR LOOK FOR A ANOTHER SOLUTION THAT WOULD, UH, BE MORE ACCEPTABLE ON THE INSIDE OF THE, THE STORE. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES OR, OH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, SIR, I, I WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, I'M SORRY, UM, HAD SOMETHING IN MY THROAT. UM, ONE OF MY FAULT COMMISSIONER SAYS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE, [01:40:01] UM, SECURITY, AND I AM SYMPATHETIC OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UM, BUT HAVING SOMETHING ON THAT INSIDE, UM, TO SEE IF THAT WILL WORK BETTER FOR YOU, BECAUSE IT'S JUST INTRODUCING THAT TO THE OUTSIDE ELEMENT AND, AND, UM, IS REALLY A CONCERN. AND I, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ARE SYMPATHETIC AS YOUR SECURITY ISSUES AND YOUR CONCERNS, BUT THAT MIGHT BE EASIER FOR YOU BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, DETRACT, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IF, IF I GET A DENIAL, OF COURSE, I'M GONNA FIND A WAY TO, TO, TO DO SOMETHING INSIDE THE STORE. DO, DO I STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS WHEN I DO SOMETHING INSIDE THE STORE? IF, IF YOUR INSTALLATION WAS INSIDE OF THE STORE WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STORE, WITHIN THE STOREFRONT, YOU WOULD NOT NEED THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS PROVIDED THAT, THAT DID NOT INCLUDE SIGNAGE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SANTE. YEAH, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I WANTED TO GET AT SINCE WE'RE STILL IN THE DISCUSSION. PART IS, AND IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF, IS THAT LITTLE , THAT LITTLE FRAMING RIGHT THERE ALONG THE WINDOW WHERE HE IS GOT MAYBE FIVE, SIX INCHES OF, OF FLOOR THERE, IS THAT CONSIDERED INSIDE THE PROPERTY, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE WHERE YOU CAN PUT A, A SLIDING DOOR THERE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, MOUNTING SOMETHING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE, OF THE FACADE THERE ON THE BRICK? WE JUST MEAN THE INTERIOR OF THE STORE. SO THAT WOULD STILL BE THE EXTERIOR WITHIN THAT VESTIBULE, BUT, BUT I BELIEVE LIKE A KIND OF SLIDING GATE OPTION WAS DISCUSSED AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE, AND SO THE APPLICANT COULD STILL EXPLORE THAT. OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT, MAYBE I MISSED IT HERE ON THE, ON THE WRITE-UP, BUT DOES STAFF HAVE A, A, A, A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A COOKIE CUTTER IDEA OR A COOKIE CUTTER METHOD FOR TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS, BECAUSE I SUSPECT THIS IS GONNA COME UP IN THIS AREA MORE THAN ONCE. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT AT THE STAFF LEVEL FOR RIDING GUIDELINES TO ALLOW NOT JUST HIS PROPERTY BUT THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES AT SOME POINT? YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF YOU SET THE FRAMEWORK AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE HEADED OFF AT THE CURVE, SO WE'RE NOT DOING INDIVIDUAL THINGS. IT, IT REALLY WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THE ONE THING THAT THE GUIDELINES RECOMMEND IS TO NOT OBSCURE, UH, STOREFRONT SYSTEMS OR ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OR ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS IN GENERAL. UM, I, I THINK ONE DIRECTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF TO, UM, WORK WITH APPLICANTS TO SUGGEST THE INSTALLATION OF SECURITY SCREENS WITHIN THE STOREFRONT SYSTEM, THEREFORE THEY WOULD BE INTERIOR TO THE PROPERTY. UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE, THE MOST DIRECT THING. UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, ARCHITECTURAL LIGHTING, UH, WOULD, WOULD DO A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DETERRING, UH, VANDALISM. UH, SO THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON AS WELL. NOW THAT SAID, A MORE DURABLE GLASS PLEXIGLASS, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD FALL OUTSIDE OF THE REALM OF, UH, UH, OF THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION? UM, UH, THE GUIDELINES WOULD RECOMMEND THAT GLASS BE INSTALLED. IT'S TRANSPARENT, UH, THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UH, GLASS THAT'S FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. UH, A PLEXI PRODUCT TYPICALLY IS JUST GONNA ALLOW, UM, UNLESS THERE'S A PROTECTIVE FILM ON IT, PEOPLE TO ETCH AND CARVE, UH, WHATEVER THEY WANT INTO IT AND THEN IT BECOMES FOGGY. UM, THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES IN THE PAST WHERE PEOPLE HAVE INSTALLED PLEXI AS A, A TEMPORARY FIX AND IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE, UH, BUT, UM, STAFF IS CERTAINLY, UH, CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO FIND AN INTERIOR SOLUTION. UM, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S POTENTIALLY SOME OTHER AVENUES THAT THE APPLICANT COULD EXPLORE AS FAR AS WAYS THAT, UH, WOULD DETER VAGRANTS. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SINO? AYE. MASUKA? AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES NAY BAKER? AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H G R C. CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 0 9 3 3 0 1 ALAMO PLAZA. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INSTALL, ONE REVERSE ILLUMINATED ALUMINUM CHANNEL LETTER, ALUMINUM SIGN THAT READS RIPLEY'S MOVING THEATER. FOUR D TWO. INSTALL TWO SINGLE FACE SIX INCHES DEEP PURPLE ALUMINUM SIGN CABINET WITH BLACK SIDES WITH INDIVIDUAL REVERSE ILLUMINATED ALUMINUM [01:45:01] CHANNEL LETTERS THAT READS LEWIS TWOARDS WAX WORKS ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. THREE. INSTALL ONE SINGLE FACE SIX INCHES DEEP WHITE ALUMINUM SIDE CABINET WITH INDIVIDUAL REVERSE ILLUMINATED ALUMINUM CHANNEL LETTERS THAT READS RIPLEY'S ILLUSION LAB ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER. FOUR. INSTALL ONE ALUMINUM CHANNEL WHITE L E D LIT LETTER WITH DIGITALLY PRINTED VINYL OVERLAY SIGN THAT READS RIPLEY'S, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ON THE EAST SIDE. FIVE, INSTALL A NEW FRONT LIT ALUMINUM CHANNEL LETTER SIGN WITH AN ACRYLIC FACE THAT READS RIPLEY'S CARGO HOLD GIFT SHOP SIX. REMOVE THE RED NEON DECORATIVE DETAIL ON THE CANOPIES AND REPLACE IT WITH THE RED NEON LOOK. L E D STRIPS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH H STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX BASED ON FINDINGS A AND I STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT EITHER REPAIR THE EXISTING SIGNS IN KIND OR PROPOSE SIGNAGE THAT INCORPORATES THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE, THAT THE OVERALL SIGNAGE PLAN BE SIMPLIFIED AND INDIVIDUAL SIGNS REDESIGNED TO BETTER RESPOND TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE BUILDING AND SURROUNDING ALAMO PLAZA. THE EXISTING SIGNS ARE UNIFORM AND DESIGN AND DO NOT INTRODUCE VISUAL CLUTTER TO THE FACADE. NEW SIGNAGE TO SIMILARLY HAVE VIS MINIMAL VISUAL IMPACT. TWO, THAT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE NOT BE EXCEEDED BY THE NEW SIGNAGE. THREE, THAT ALL PLEXI FACES BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF VERSE LIT ALUMINUM LETTERS OR EXTERNAL LIGHTING. FOUR, THAT THE REMOVING THAT THE MOVING THEATER SIGNS SPECIFICALLY BE REDESIGNED TO BE LESS TALL, SO IT WILL BETTER FIT THE PROPOSED PLACEMENT AREA. A SIGNAGE PLAN THAT MEETS THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE APPLICANT'S JD KELLER, GIANNA BINTI AND MELISSA MALDONADO ARE HERE IN PERSON? YES. YOURSELF PLEASE. HI, STAFF. UH, MY NAME IS JD KELLER WITH KELLER SIGNS. HI, I'M GIANNA BENAM. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR ALL THE RIPLEY'S ATTRACTIONS HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. OKAY. AND YOUR RESPONSE TO, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS YOU WANNA TELL HIM? SO, YEAH. UM, SO LOUIS TWO SOS AND RIPLEY'S HAS, UH, UPDATED BRANDING, UH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT REPRESENTS WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO ON THE BUILDING DOWNTOWN. UM, THE SIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE HAVE BEEN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, BUT OVER 20 YEARS, I GUESS. YEAH, PROBABLY 30 YEARS OR MORE. UM, AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST DATED AND OLD NEON SIGNS THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T WORK ON EASILY. AND, UM, AND THEY'RE WANTING TO USE THEIR NEW BRANDING LOGOS ON THE BUILDING, UH, TO REPRESENT THE, THE COMPANY. MM-HMM. . AND YOU CAN SEE OUR LOUIS TOADS SPECIFICALLY. IT HAS CURRENTLY AN REALLY OLD LOGO THAT WE DON'T EVEN OWN THAT TRADEMARKS FOR THE PLAZA WAX MUSEUM. UM, OUR WAX MUSEUM IS LOUIS TO SODS, SO IT WOULD BASICALLY JUST BE BRANDING IT CORRECTLY, UM, AND LESS CONFUSIONS. UH, THE ILLUSIONS LAB, THAT'S OUR NEWEST ATTRACTION THAT WE'VE ADDED. UM, IT WAS INSTALLED LAST MARCH, SO IT WOULD JUST BE REPLACING THE RIPLEY SIGN ABOVE. UM, BECAUSE OUR BUILDING NEXT DOOR IS ACTUALLY RIPLEY. SO THIS BUILDING IS WHERE OUR WAX MUSEUM, THE ILLUSIONS LAB AND THE 40 THEATER ARE LOCATED. AND, UM, THE 40 THEATER, THEY RESTRUCTURED IT NOW. IT WAS STACKED BEFORE AND NOW IT'S, UM, MORE SPREAD OUT SO IT'S NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. AND THEN THIS IS THOSE LAST TWO. SO THESE ARE FOR THE RIPLEY'S BUILDING. UM, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS ON ALAMO PLAZA. UM, WE WOULD BE REMOVING A GIANT, UM, STEEL LIKE R LOGO THAT WOULD BE ABOVE IT. UM, AND THIS IS OUR NEW RIPLEY'S LOGO, SO IT HAS DIFFERENT FONT FROM WHAT IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THEN THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR GIFT SHOP, WHICH IS ACTUALLY RIVER LEVEL. UM, SO THAT IS KIND OF, IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF, UH, WHERE THERE'S A WATERFALL. SO THAT ONE IS NOT FACING ALAMO PLAZA. UM, AND THAT WOULD JUST BE UPDATING THE CURRENT SIGNAGE TO HAVE OUR CURRENT LOGO AND, UM, TO HAVE L E D LIGHTS INSTEAD OF THE NEONS. UH, MR. CHAIR? YES. COMMISSIONER, I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. SO I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVE YOU FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. RIGHT. I'LL SKIP THE FIRST ONE 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX, BUT FOR STIPULATION NUMBER TWO, THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE NOT BE EXCEEDED BY THE NEW SIGNAGE. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN COMPLY WITH? UM, [01:50:02] YES. UH, TO BE, YEAH. I MEAN, YES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DOABLE. YES. UH, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. MM-HMM. , UM, IF YOU CALCULATE IT, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, THERE'S DIFFERENT SHAPES TO WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. AND SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE JUST A RECTANGLE AND CALCULATE THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SAME THING WITH THE NEW LOUIS TOUS TUCSON LOGO MM-HMM. , IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENT. OKAY. UM, AND WE COULD PROVIDE A, AN EXACT MEASUREMENT OF WHAT THOSE EXISTING SIGNS ARE. UM, YOU KNOW, IN COMPARISON TO THE NEW ONES, I DON'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THAT ORIGINALLY, BUT I CAN, WE CAN GET THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S DOABLE. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. THE, THE THIRD ITEM THAT ALL PLEXI FACES BE ELIMINATED IN FAVOR OF REVERSE LIT ALUMINUM LETTERS OR EXTERNAL LIGHTING. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? YES, MA'AM. AND WE EVEN ON THE NEW APPLICATION, ALL THIS EXCUSE IF YOU COULD LEAN INTO THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ON THE NEW APPLICATION, ALL THE SIGNAGE WOULD BE BACKLIT ON THE LOUIS TS AND ILLUSIONS AND UH, RIPLEY THEATER. UM, THOSE WOULD ALL BE THE BACKLIT SIGNAGE AS PER RECOMMENDATION BY STAFF. THE ONE ON RIPLEY'S SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS, IS A FACELIFT, WHICH IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. WE'RE JUST RE REBRANDING IT AS WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SIGNAGE RIGHT THERE, THAT IS THE EXACT SAME THING THAT'S THERE. IT'S JUST LAID OUT DIFFERENTLY, UM, AND REPLACING WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. AND IT APPARENTLY THAT FALLS INTO NUMBER FOUR, THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT TOO TALL. CORRECT. THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM? NOPE. OH, THAT'S NOT THE ONE I WAS LOOKING AT. NO. ON NUMBER FOUR, THEY'RE REFERRING TO THE RIPLEY'S MOVING THEATER FOUR D MM-HMM. . AND WE HAD IT AS MORE OF A STACKED LOGO, UM, LIKE WE'RE MOVING WAS ABOVE THEATER AND THEN RIPLEY'S WAS ABOVE THAT SO IT WAS MORE OF A SQUARE SHAPE AND SO WE TOOK IT AND MADE IT, UM, MORE ELONGATED OR, YOU KNOW, RECTANGULAR TO FIT ON THE, TO WHERE YOU HAD MORE BUILDING ABOVE AND BELOW THE, THE ACTUAL LOGO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT CURRENTLY STILL NEEDS TO BE MOVED. RIGHT. DOES IT, IS IT IS WHAT THEY DID SUFFICIENT DIMENSIONALLY AND PROPORTIONALLY STAFF WANTED TO BRING THAT TO, UH, THE COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT DECISION. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE PARAMETERS THAT YOU WERE GOOD WITH. AND SO TWO AND THREE DEFINITELY. YES MA'AM. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? THOSE ARE THE TWO I GONNA ASK OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF, IF WE GO WITH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE SIMILAR IN SIZE AND IF WE CAN WORK WITH THAT, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE. NORMALLY WE'LL ONLY APPROVE 50 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL SIGNAGE. SO I FEEL, I JUST, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A MOTION GOES THAT WAY, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE FOR YOU, YOU'RE MINIMIZING. I THINK IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER TO SCALE, CORRECT? PROBABLY, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GOING BY THE DOOR FRAME OR THE DOOR ENTRY, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEPING THAT. BUT IF, IF, IF IT IS POSSIBLE, IT IS POSSIBLE. YES MA'AM. IT IS POSSIBLE FOR SURE. UH, I'LL DO A MOTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP AND, AND I GUESS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF STIPULATION ONE REALLY APPLIES BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A TRADEMARK TO, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE YOUR LOGOS, YOU MIGHT MODIFY A LITTLE BIT. SO I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA KEEP, UM, YOU KNOW, STIPULATION ONE AWAY, BUT I WOULD SAY STIPULATION TWO IS THE ONE THAT BECOMES IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO THAT THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EXISTING SIGNAGE NOT TO EX BE EXCEEDED WITHIN YOUR SIGNAGE. UM, I THINK BEFORE YOU EVEN GO AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PURCHASE THE SIGNAGE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GO WITH STAFF ABOUT THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE LOGOS YOU SAID THE BIG R WILL BE NOW WRITTEN OUT RIPLEY'S. SO YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK AROUND THAT. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH FOR STAFF. WOULD THAT BE OKAY FOR STAFF? YES. YOU CAN APPROVE PARAMETERS AND THEN WE CAN ENSURE THAT WHATEVER ENDS UP GETTING A PERMIT IS CONSISTENT WITH THOSE PARAMETERS. OKAY. SO, UM, APPROVE THE SIGNAGE PRESENTED TODAY WITH STIPULATION TWO, THREE. I'M, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THE MOVING THEATER AS LONG AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS KEPT. SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? [01:55:01] YES. BAKER. AYE. ZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU COUNSEL. THANK YOU GUYS. SO WORK WITH STAFF ON MEETING THOSE, UH, REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. MOTION. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 13 WAS POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT. SO AGENDA ITEM 14. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 22 2 0 7 DIVINE STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING METAL STAMP SHINGLE ROOF WITH A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS. A AND B STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT EITHER REPAIR THE EXISTING ROOF OR REPLACE IT IN KIND WITH A SIMILAR PRODUCT. THE APPLICANT IS E CASTILLO, IS IT HERE IN PERSON AS WELL AS THE HOMEOWNER'S DAUGHTER? YES. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? UH, MY NAME'S IZZY CASTILLO. I'M THE SOUTH TOWN ROOFING. I'M THE CONTRACTOR. MY NAME'S CHERYL GRANT. I'M THE HOMEOWNER'S. HOMEOWNER'S DAUGHTER. THANK YOU. COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE PROJECT AND UM, BASICALLY YOUR REQUEST? UH, WE'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE, UM, THE METAL STYLE ON, ON THE ROOF FROM A STAMPED METAL TO A STANDING SEAM METAL. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL THE COST IS, IS ALMOST DOUBLE AS A STANDING SEAM AND IT'S, UM, I CAN'T FIND THE, THE EXACT STYLE ROOF. THERE'S SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT, BUT IT COSTS A LOT MORE AND THE HOMEOWNERS JUST CAN'T AFFORD, YOU KNOW, PAYING ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT THEY'RE PAYING NOW FOR A STANDING SCENE. I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. UM, FIRST OF ALL, MY PARENTS ARE 78. THEY'VE BEEN IN THE HOUSE SINCE, UH, 1989. I LIVED TWO BLOCKS OVER FOR 30 YEARS THIS YEAR AND WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, INTEGRITY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSES WE REPLACED. MY DAD AND I SPECIFICALLY DID THE FENCE OURSELVES TO, TO MATCH THE FENCE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE HOME. WE ALSO DID, I, HE AND I DID ALL THE WINDOWS OURSELVES. WE KEPT THE GLASS, EVERYTHING. UM, THEY DID THE STUCCO AROUND THE HOUSE, SO THEY'VE REALLY DONE THEIR BEST TO MAINTAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THE MONEY. THEY'VE BEEN SAVING UP TO DO A NEW ROOF AND UM, HE REALLY WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT HE'S ILL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. AND ALSO, LET'S SEE, EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE BLOCK HAS STANDING SEAMS AND THERE'S AN OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE HAD THE SAME THING STYLE AND IT HAS BEEN REPLACED, APPROVED AND REPLACED WITH STANDING SEAT. CAN, CAN YOU, MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW OLD THAT ROOF IS? THAT'S THE ORIGINAL ROOF THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN, UM, 1912 I THINK. OKAY. IT IS LEAKING IN THE ATTIC. YEAH. IS THAT WHERE IN THIS, UH, CAN YOU GO TO PHOTO 10? THERE SEEMS TO BE A TEMPORARY PATCH. IS THAT WHERE THE LEAK IS? YES. MM-HMM. ? YES. AND WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE, THE REST OF THE ROOF? ARE THERE ANY OTHER LEAKS? THERE'S THERE ARE OTHER LEAKS. YEAH, GO AHEAD. HE'S INSPECTED. YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, UH, THE METAL HAS A BUNCH OF LITTLE HOLES IN IT AND ALONG THE VALLEY IT'S LIFTING. I MEAN, IT'S LIFTED UP AND IT'S CORRODED RIGHT THERE. IT IS JUST, IT'S REALLY BAD. IT JUST DIDN'T REALLY BAD, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. AND SO, UM, HAVE YOU TRIED REMOVING ANY OF THE, THESE METAL SHINGLES TO SEE IF THEY COULD BE, UH, IF THEY COULD BE RE REPURPOSED? UH, NO I HAVEN'T. UM, I TRIED TO MOVE SOME, BUT LIKE I SAID, AT THE EDGE OF THEM THEY'RE ALREADY RUSTED AND CORRODED AND, UM, THEY JUST, I MEAN THEY'RE JUST IN BAD SHAPE. I MEAN, AND IT'S HARD TO FIND THE EXACT, THE EXACT MATCH TO THEM. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND WHEN YOU SAY REPURPOSED, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT USING THEM ON THE EXISTING ROOF? YES, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO, I'D LIKE TO USE THEM, REPURPOSE THEM FOR SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL IN, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY ARE REALLY BEAUTIFUL AND IT REALLY IS A SHAME TO SAY WE WANNA CHANGE IT. IT'S JUST THAT IT, IT'S NOT REALLY VERY POSSIBLE. YES, THEY ARE VERY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE [02:00:01] OF THE HOME AND IT WOULD BE UNFORTUNATE TO LOSE THEM. UM, COMMISSIONER GRU, I MEAN IT'S THE ORIGINAL ROOF , LET'S JUST START RIGHT THERE. THAT'S AMAZING, RIGHT? I MEAN IT JUST SHOWS YOU HOW THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS REALLY ARE. UM, THERE WAS MORE QUESTION MAYBE TO STAFF OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE NEIGHBOR HOMES, DO THEY HAVE THE METAL? UH, WERE THEY UH NO YOU MEAN ORIGINALLY WHEN WE MOVED IN? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH THE STAMPED? I THINK MY PARENTS' HOUSE WAS THE ONLY ONE IN THEIR LITTLE BLOCK THAT HAS THAT, BUT EVERYBODY HAS REPLACED THEIR ROOFS ALL SURROUNDING THEM WITH THE STANDING SEAM. YEAH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE HOUSE ON LAVACCA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THE NUMBER 2 32 OR SOMETHING TWO THAT HAD THIS AND THEY'VE REPLACED IT WITH STANDING SEAM ALSO. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE THAT . YEAH, I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE. COMMISSIONER SAVI, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, NO, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO MAKE, I WAS GOING TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND TO INSTALL THAT STANDING SEAM ROOF WITH ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS THAT THEY USUALLY HAVE, WHICH INCLUDE A SITE VISIT TO CONFIRM MATERIAL, UM, SPECIFICATIONS AND ALSO TO, UM, YEAH THAT WOULD BE IT. SECOND. A MOTION. A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. FISH. OH, I, AYE, THERE HE IS. SINO. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD UH, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL FIND A USE FOR THE SHINGLES. I'M GONNA MAKE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL AND THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD SEE . OKAY. AND IF YOU CAN'T, UH, USE ALL OF THEM, UH, REACH OUT TO O H P STAFF AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE THEM INTO THEIR SALVAGE MATERIAL. OH, NICE. UH, PROGRAM. OKAY, I'D LOVE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 15. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15 H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 24 4 10 FLORIDA STREET. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY DETACHED GARAGE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE PROPOSED WINDOWS ARE CONSTRUCTED OF WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD AND ADHERE TO GUIDELINES FOR WINDOWS CONCERNING THEIR PROFILE SIZE AND DEPTH. TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT USE A MORE TRADITIONAL WINDOW CONFI CON CONFIGURATION SUCH AS ONE OVER ONE OR THE PROPOSED TWO CLAIRE STORY WINDOWS ON THE, FOR THE PROPOSED TWO CLAIRE STORY WINDOWS ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION. THREE THAT THE APPLICANT ADD ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS TO THE EAST AND WEST ELEVATIONS, WHICH FEATURE TRADITIONAL SIZES AND DIMENSIONS. FOUR THAT THE GARAGE DOOR USE WOOD AS THE PRIMARY MATERIAL OR HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD. THE HOMEOWNER, CHRIS GOKEY AND APPLICANT LAWRENCE GARCIA ARE HERE IN PERSON. NOTE THAT THERE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS FOR THIS CASE IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL FOLDER LABELED ASSESSMENT OF GARAGES AND RESPONSE TO H D R C STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. YES SIR. IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. HI, YES. LAWRENCE GARCIA ARCHITECT, UH, CHRIS GAULKE, HOMEOWNER. I'LL JUST BRIEFLY SPEAK TO THE, UH, PROJECT. DOES CRYSTAL HAVE MORE TO, UH, DISCUSS AS HE'S RESPONDED TO SOME OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, OF THE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR THIS DETACHED GARAGE? UM, RECOMMENDATION ONE AND FOUR, THERE IS NO, UM, OBJECTION TO MOVING TO THE WOOD, MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOW. AND FOR SELECTING A GARAGE DOOR THAT EITHER HAD A WOOD OR WOOD-LIKE APPEARANCE, WE'RE HAPPY TO OBLIGE THAT. UM, WE DID HAVE SOME MINOR CONCERNS WITH ITEMS TWO AND THREE. UH, IF YOU COULD PULL UP THE FLOOR PLAN OR ELEVATIONS. I ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION WE HAVE TWO UM, WINDOWS LOCATED. THIS IS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND ON THE EAST ELEVATION WE HAVE NO, UH, WINDOWS SHOWN. THE REASON FOR THIS DESIGN APPROACH WAS THAT THESE ELEVATIONS ARE FACING AN ADJACENT LOT THAT'S EMPTY, UH, I BELIEVE ZONE COMMERCIAL AND THE REAR OF THE LOT. SO THE HOMEOWNER DOESN'T HAVE ANY VIS, UH, ANY VISUAL DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO THESE WINDOWS. AND THERE IS A SECURITY CONCERN JUST ON THE LOCATION OF HIS [02:05:01] HOUSE. AND MR. GKE HAS DONE A SURVEY OF JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOWING JUST WHAT THE CONDITION OF WHAT THESE KIND OF WINDOWS KIND OF LANDS IN, WHETHER IT'S BROKEN, BUSTED OUT, BOARDED UP. SO I'LL LET, UH, MR. GOKEY SPEAK TO THAT AND THANK YOU. UM, SO BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT, LIKE LAWRENCE SAID, UH, WE'RE FINE WITH STIPULATIONS ONE AND FOUR, BUT TWO AND THREE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT, UH, FOR SECURITY. SO KIND OF LIKE TO CHALLENGE THE ASSUMPTION THAT WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WE'VE GOT EVIDENCE THAT THERE ARE OTHER GARAGES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE SIDES WITHOUT WINDOWS OR HAVE THESE CRESS OR SMALLER WINDOWS. UM, AND HAVE SOME PICTURES OF SEVERAL NEARBY. IF YOU COULD GO TO NUMBER ONE, PLEASE STIPULATION ONE. SO WE'RE OKAY WITH USING WOOD WINDOWS. UH, WE WENT TO AN ARCHITECTURAL, ARCHITECTURAL SALVAGE STORE AND FOUND WINDOWS THAT WE COULD USE THAT MATCHED THE CURRENT HOUSE. SO THE FIRST PICTURE THERE IS ONE OF THE WINDOWS ON MY HOUSE RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE ONE JUST LIKE IT AND WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE THE TRIM UP ALL THE SAME AND SUCH ON THE, THE MAIN WINDOW THAT'S THERE ON THE EAST SIDE. UH, WE ALSO FOUND THESE TWO, UH, NARROW LIKE THE TERRESTRIAL WINDOWS THAT WE COULD USE, UM, FOR THE REAR ELEVATION AND THOSE WILL BE UP AT THE TOP. SO ESSENTIALLY EIGHT FOOT UP TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM CLIMBING IN 'EM. SO IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THEN WE GOT A VACANT LOT NEXT TO US AND FOLKS HANG OUT IN IT KIND OF ALL TIMES OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. WE'VE HAD TRESPASSERS IN OUR GARAGE, IN OUR YARD, EXCUSE ME, UM, EVIDENCE OF DRUG USE AND SUCH PEOPLE HANGING AROUND, UM, HAD TO CALL THE COPS A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND SO WE'RE WORRIED THAT THESE TWO, HAVING THESE VERY LARGE BACK WINDOWS, UM, THEY'RE GONNA GET BROKEN INTO ESSENTIALLY SOON AFTER. YOU KNOW, GARAGES ARE FAIRLY HIGH BREAK IN AND THERE'S VALUABLE STUFF INSIDE, WE CAN'T SEE 'EM. UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT, UH, YOU CAN SKIP THE NEXT ONE. THIS JUST SOME CRIME STATISTICS SHOWING THAT, THAT THIS ISN'T JUST MY OPINION, BUT THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF BREAK-INS AROUND HERE. KIND OF RIGHT AFTER WE MOVED IN, I MET, UH, ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS AT THREE 10 CAROLINA AND SHE ASKED IF WE'D HAD OUR WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BREAK-IN YET. AND SO IT'S A THING THAT HAPPENS. UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE. IF THESE ARE OUR TWO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, THEY HAVE GARAGES, UM, BEHIND US AND TO THE SIDE AT 4 0 6 FLORIDA AND I THINK IT'S 3 3 11 CAROLINA. UM, THEY DO HAVE WINDOWS ON THE BACK OF THEIR GARAGES AND THEY'RE BOARDED UP. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 'CAUSE THEY GOT BROKEN INTO ALREADY OR JUST TO KEEP YOU FROM DOING IT, BUT THAT'S THE STATE OF THE BEING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM PICTURE THERE, UM, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE HERE OF A WINDOW ON AN OLD GARAGE, VERY MUCH LIKE THE ONES WE PROPOSED FOR THE SOUTH SIDE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PULL IT UP, BUT IN THE OTHER DOCUMENT WHERE WE WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TAKING PICTURES OF THE GARAGES, THERE ARE SIMILAR SMALL, UH, CRESTOR WINDOWS OR THESE SMALL WINDOWS TOWARD THE TOP OF THE ELEVATION AT 2 34 DELAWARE, 3 22 FLORIDA 2 0 9, CAROLINA THREE 19 DELAWARE, ONE 18 DELAWARE, AND ONE 30 DELAWARE, WHICH ARE ALL WITHIN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS OF MY HOUSE. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF PLACE. UH, ALSO WALKING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE TOOK PICTURES, WE LOOKED AT OVER 50 GARAGES, PUT 35 OF 'EM IN THIS ASSESSMENT, UH, REPORT. AND 76% OF THOSE HAD A SIDE WITH ZERO VISIBLE WINDOWS VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW. AND I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THE TWO SIDES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW. THE REAR ELEVATION IS BLOCKED BY THE HOUSE BEHIND ME AND THEIR GARAGE AND SUCH AT THREE 11 CAROLINA AND THE ONE THAT'S ON THE LOT, UH, I HAVE A PICTURE ON THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWING WE GOT TREES THERE ON THE SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. UH, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT SIDE FROM THE STREET AND SO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO WINDOWS, NO ONE'S GONNA SEE THAT THERE ARE OR AREN'T. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE VEGETATION AND SUCH PROVIDES COVER FOR FOLKS TRYING TO BREAK IN. UM, THE LAST ONE IS STIPULATION FOUR. UH, LIKE WE MENTIONED, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF 2 0 1 DELAWARE STREET THAT HAS, UH, METAL GARAGE DOORS THAT MATCH THE APPEARANCE OF WOOD AND WE'LL DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, UH, WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. YES, SIR. UM, I, I GENERALLY, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION. I GENERALLY CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S ASSESSMENT ON STIPULATION THREE. THERE ARE MANY, UH, GARAGES THAT ARE, I'D SAY LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT DO HAVE WALLS WITHOUT WINDOWS. SO, UH, I, I CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S POSITION ON STIPULATION [02:10:01] THREE AND ON UM, STIPULATION TWO FOR SECURITY ISSUES. I'M GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO, UH, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER UH, OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, I'LL BE PREPARED TO MAKE UH, A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. PLEASE GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE AND FOUR AND MODIFY STIPULATION TWO TO INCLUDE THE STANDARD UH, WINDOW SPECIFICATIONS STIPULATIONS. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT UH, WE ARE ACCEPTING THE WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOWED THE, UH, WITH THE RECYCLE WINDOWS, THE 1 0 1 AND THE NARROW WINDOWS THAT WE PUT IN THE SLIDE ON STIPULATION ONE? YEAH. UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP, THE INTENT OF MY MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THAT I BELIEVE THE WINDOWS ARE PROPOSED, UH, COMPLY WITH OUR STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR. YEAH. YES, CONCURS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER, UH, BEFORE I GET MY VOTE, I JUST WANNA LET THE APPLICANT KNOW, I THOUGHT THEY DID A FABULOUS JOB OF SURVEYING THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND, UH, YOU REALLY BUILT YOUR CASE VERY WELL. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. AND FETZER. AYE. AND CARRIES. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK, UM, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND CONVENE WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16, UH, THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK PROJECT. THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE, UM, DINNER AVAILABLE NEXT DOOR. YOU WANNA GRAB A BITE? I WANT CALL ON THAT. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER HISTORIC AND DESIGN [Time certain cases This item will be heard at the end of the agenda and will be heard no earlier than 5:00 pm. This item will be heard after all other cases are heard by the commission. ] REVIEW COMMISSION FOR CASE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16 3700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, BRACKENRIDGE PARK, LAMBERT BEACH. YES. THANK YOU. UM, I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD AND WE'LL GET STARTED. UM, AFTER I DO THAT, WE'LL INVITE THE, UM, DESIGN CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT TO COME UP AND GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. UM, AFTER THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FOR THE CASE. UM, A NUMBER OF YOU HAVE SIGNED IN AND I'M KIND OF RECONCILING THAT AND SEEING WHO YIELDED TIME AND MAKING SURE WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW OUR ORDER CORRECTLY. UM, IF YOU HAVE ARRIVED SINCE THE PAST 10 MINUTES AND YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR INTEND TO SPEAK, UM, FEEL FREE TO COME OVER HERE AND ADD YOUR NAME. UM, AND THEN AFTER WE'VE DONE THAT, WE WILL PLAY VOICEMAILS RECEIVED. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VOICEMAILS AS WELL. UM, JUST FOR, FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, IF YOU ARE IN PERSON AND YOU LEFT A VOICEMAIL, YOU CANNOT DO BOTH. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WAS INDICATED WHEN YOU SIGNED IN. UM, IF YOU LEAVE YOUR COMMENTS IN PERSON, THEN WE WON'T PLAY YOUR VOICEMAIL. UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BEFORE WE STARTED. UM, SO LET'S PROCEED. IT'S H D R Z, CASE NUMBER 20 22 0 9 1, UM, 3,700 NORTH ST. MARY'S, BRACKENRIDGE PARK, LAMBERT BEACH AREA. UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LAMBER BEACH AREA IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK AS PHASE ONE OF THE F Y 17 BOND PROJECT. REQUEST ITEMS INCLUDE ONE STABILIZATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC STONE WALLS. THAT HA HEAR YOU. OKAY, I'LL SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC AND THEN I'LL ASK OUR AV TECH TO RAISE THE VOLUME IF HE CAN. UM, ITEM ONE IS STABILIZATION AND RESTORATION OF THE HISTORIC STONE WALLS THAT HAVE NOT YET FAILED. ITEM TWO IS REC RECONSTRUCTION OF WALLS THAT HAVE ALREADY FAILED TO MATCH EXISTING. ITEM THREE IS STABILIZATION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE GRAND STAIRCASE TO IMPROVE SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY. ITEM FOUR IS UNDERPINNING OF THE 1877 PUMP HOUSE FOR FOUNDATION STABILIZATION AND PREPARATION FOR PHASE TWO IMPROVEMENTS. AND ITEM FIVE IS SELECTIVE REMOVAL OF TREES LOCATED WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE U D C H C R C. APPROVAL IS REQUIRED FOR REMOVAL FOR REMOVAL OF MATURE TREES ON THE BANKS OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE BASED ON THE FINDINGS. AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT, AND THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE. UM, SO AT THIS TIME, WE CAN HAVE THE DESIGN TEAM COME UP AND JUST TELL EDWARD WHEN YOU'D LIKE HIM TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES. OH, OKAY. SURE. UH, SO MY NAME'S KENDRA BAUMGARTNER, UH, WITH SS W A. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR FIVE YEARS AT LEAST. UH, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD BROUGHT SOME INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY. I THINK YOU GUYS WERE VERY DIRECT AND LIKE YOU WANT MORE PUBLIC INPUT INTO THIS PROCESS. AND SO WE'VE DONE THAT. YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT THE RESULTS OF THAT INPUT, UH, IN THIS PRESENTATION. [02:15:02] SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, I MEAN, I THINK AT THE HEART OF THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, I GUESS WHAT IS THE PROJECT JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING HOW IT'S DEFINED. UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS THERE OR WHAT, I GUESS WHAT'S, YEAH, WHAT HISTORICALLY WAS BUILT THERE, UH, KIND OF AT THE CONDITION OF IT TODAY. UM, THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, AND THEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, FOR HOW TO PROCEED. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE PARK, UH, IN BLUE. IT'S A BIG PARK, ONE OF THE LARGEST SORT OF URBAN PARKS IN AMERICA. THE RED PIECE UP TOP IS PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF THIS PROJECT THAT THIS HAS BEEN THE THING THAT WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON FOR THE LAST, UH, FEW YEARS. SHOULD WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? SO HERE YOU HAVE PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO. UH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE AND PHASE ONE ONLY. UH, PHASE TWO, WE'LL GO THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH THAT INFORMATION. SO PHASE ONE IS LAMBERT BEACH. JUST AS A REMINDER, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, UM, UH, THE HISTORIC BATHHOUSE. IT DOES NOT REALLY INCLUDE THE PUMPHOUSE, BUT IT DOES, AS WAS NOTED EARLIER, INCLUDE UNDERPINNINGS RIGHT TO KELP, MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS IN PLACE. UH, IT DEALS WITH WHAT WAS AT ONE TIME IN THE PAST, THE, THE, THE SWIMMING HOLE HERE AT LAMBERT BEACH. THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED LAMBERT BEACH. UH, AND WHAT TO DO WITH SORT OF WALLS AND VEGETATION AND HOW ALL THESE THINGS KIND OF ARE NESTED TOGETHER, UH, THROUGHOUT THAT, UM, HISTORIC, UH, AREA OF THE PARK. NEXT SLIDE. SO, LET'S LOOK AT EXISTING CONDITIONS. SO THIS IS THE PARK, UH, AS IT STANDS TODAY. AND YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE OF THIS IN A MOMENT, UH, THAT KIND OF CAPTURES SOME OTHER FINE POINTS OF IT. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. THE WALLS ARE VERY OLD. WHERE THEY BUILT TO LAST A HUNDRED YEARS, I DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? UH, PEOPLE HAVE DONE ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN THIS PARK FOR MANY YEARS. THE MANIPULATION OF WATER AND HOW WATER WORKS HAS BEEN A HUGE PART OF THIS PARK. AND SAN ANTONIO, OF COURSE. UH, AND THAT'S WHY THESE WALLS ARE HERE, RIGHT? I MEAN, SOME OF IT WAS DONE. THAT'S A CUT BANK. UH, SO AS WATER HISTORICALLY MOVED ALONG THE RIVER, IT PUSHED AGAINST THAT BANK. WE BUILT WALLS SO THAT PEOPLE COULD GET DOWN TO IT AND THEY COULD SWIM, HANG OUT ON THE EDGES, DO ALL THE THINGS THEY WANTED TO DO OVER TIME. TREES GREW UP, AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT WALLS SAY SORT OF IN THE MID FOREGROUND HAVE FALLEN OVER OTHER PLACES, SORT OF IN THE BACKGROUND IN THE RIGHT WALL. DOESN'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE. UH, HUGE CRACKS HAVE COME UP, YOU CAN SEE IN THE VERY, VERY FAR LEFT, BUT IT'S FULL OF THESE KINDS OF, UM, UH, CONCERNS, RIGHT? ABOUT THE HEALTH AND HISTORY OF THAT, UH, VERY IMPORTANT CULTURAL RESOURCE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE HISTORIC STEP. SO YOU COULD GET DOWN TO THE WATER'S EDGE THIS WAY. YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE UNDERMINED THERE. THEY HAVE TO BE, UM, WELL, THESE HAVE BEEN REPAIRED IN THE PAST, RIGHT? THEIR PAYERS DID NOT WORK, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT UNDERMINING. WE'VE COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE NOW THAT WE THINK WILL LAST MUCH LONGER. NEXT SLIDE. THERE ARE OTHER KINDS OF WALLS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WALLS THAT ARE STANDING IN PLACE, BUT TREES THAT ARE EITHER BEHIND THEM, PUSHING VERY HARD AGAINST THEM, OR TREES BETWEEN THE BOTTOM PART OF THAT WALL AND THE WALL IN FRONT OF IT. AND THEN HERE'S THE PUMP. THAT'S GOOD. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PUMP HOUSE. UH, AND WE ARE JUST DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT IT STAYS IN PLACE AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT TODAY. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO, AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH, UH, AND THAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO. AND THAT WE, UM, I THINK THE CITY AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED REALLY DUG INTO IT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF COMMENTS, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PUSHBACK. HOW DO WE RESOLVE THOSE THINGS? AND HOW DO WE MOVE THIS FORWARD? SO, UH, PROJECT INTRODUCTION WAS FIRST WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT IS THIS THING? AND, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE FRAMING THIS PROJECT? UH, WE DID PLACE, WE DID PRO I THINK ON THAT ONE. WE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE COME AND TALK TO THE DESIGNERS, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY INFORMAL WAY. WE LEARNED A LOT, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, PART TWO, WHICH WAS ANOTHER PUBLIC INPUT INPUT SECTION. UH, WE DID ONE, UH, WHERE WE HAD PANELISTS AND EXPERTS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF, AND, AND ANSWERED. UH, AND THEN WE KIND OF DID A FINAL ONE THAT WAS AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THIS. UH, AND AS A PART OF THE OTHER PROJECT, THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT HAP THAT HAS HAPPENED ON THAT PROJECT AS WELL. BUT THIS IS SPECIFIC TO PHASE ONE. NEXT SLIDE. SO, COMING OUT OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, WE WERE GIVEN A NUMBER OF, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, IDEAS. IT WAS SORT OF THAT IDEA, THERE ARE NO BAD IDEAS. LET'S BRAINSTORM THIS THING AND FIGURE OUT WHERE DO WE GO WITH IT. SO A FEW OF THOSE THINGS THAT SORT OF FLOATED TO THE TOP, THIS WAS ONE OF THEM. UH, AND THIS IDEA WAS THAT, HEY, THERE'S THESE TWO WALLS. THERE'S ONE THAT'S SORT OF IN THE WATER AND ONE THAT'S ABOVE, RIGHT? AND [02:20:01] THE TREES ARE DOING ALL THESE THINGS WITH IT. UH, THE, THE, THE CONCERN WAS THAT TO RESTORE THESE WALLS TO THEIR, UM, TO A MORE ROBUST CONDITION, UH, THAT ALSO MET ALL OF THE GUIDELINES AND LAWS AND REQUIREMENTS AND AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. UH, THOSE TREES WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT. SO HOW, WHAT DO WE DO? UH, SO ONE IDEA WAS MAYBE THAT UPPER WALL, 'CAUSE THERE'S A TREE HERE, COULD BE PUSHED FORWARD, RIGHT? AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO LOSE THAT TREE. UH, IF WE GO TO, AND THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT IS INDICATING, TAKING THAT UPPER WALL AND SLIDING IT FORWARD ON TOP OF THE LOWER WALL SO THAT TREES ARE NOT AFFECTED, AT LEAST NOT AS MUCH. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE SPACE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. YOU CAN SEE THAT UPPER WALL HERE, IT'S SHORED UP. UH, THERE'S A LOT OF HOARDING IN FRONT OF IT. OTHER PLACES YOU CAN SEE IT'S STILL INTACT. UH, BUT THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO THE LOWER WALL. THAT IS, UM, ALONG THE, UH, WIDER SET. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE ISSUES WITH THAT YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP IS THE EXISTING CONDITION. UH, BELOW IT WOULD BE THAT NEW CONDITION WITH THAT WALL BEING SLID FORWARD. A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH IT. ONE, IT'S NOT HISTORICALLY, UH, ACCURATE, RIGHT TO THE, UH, HISTORIC VIEW SHED THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAINTAIN. ALSO, JUST WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES OF THAT ARE REQUIRED BY LAW. UM, IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. FURTHER, IT CONSTRICTS THE RIVER, RIGHT? AND IF YOU SEE THE TOP RIGHT AS YOU MOVE THAT WALL IN THE RIVER GETS NARROWER. THINGS ALREADY FLOOD UPSTAIRS. AT U UPSTREAM AT U I W AS IT GETS SMALLER, THERE'S OTHER FLOODING CONCERNS. SO WE HAD SARAH RUN HYDROLOGY STUDIES AND TELL US, HEY, IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE? THE ANSWER WAS NO, UNLESS NEXT SLIDE, UNLESS YOU DID THIS. IF YOU WENT UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM AND YOU FOUND PLACES ALONG THE RIVER TO MAKE IT MUCH WIDER, RIGHT? THEN YOU COULD OFFSET THAT. THE RESULT, OF COURSE, IS THAT THERE ARE TREES NOW THAT ARE LOST THROUGH THAT PROCESS. UH, AND IT ALSO DOESN'T MEET, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WERE SET IN PLACE EARLY IN THE, UM, HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT. SO THIS WAS DECIDED THAT THIS WAS NOT A VIABLE OPTION. NEXT SLIDE. WE LOOKED AT THE PROS OF IT. WE LOOKED AT THE CONS. WE, WE WOULD, UH, PRESERVE EIGHT TREES THAT WE WOULD NOT OTHERWISE HAVE TO CUT DOWN. UH, SO THAT WAS A GOOD THING ON THAT SIDE, RIGHT? THINKING, TRYING TO FIGURE THIS THING OUT. UM, THERE'S EXISTING ECOSYSTEM THAT WOULD RAIN. ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE, THOUGH, THE CONS, RIGHT? A LOT OF MITIGATION WOULD BE REQUIRED UPSTREAM, PROBABLY DOWNSTREAM AS WELL. UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE A LOT OF TREES UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM, RIGHT? TO MAINTAIN THE VOLUMES OF WATER THAT NEED TO MOVE THROUGH THIS RIVER WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, MOVING. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WOULD VOID THE PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT WITH U SS A C E, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. UH, BECAUSE ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS BEING A MAJOR ONE, EVERYONE AGREED, HEY, YOU GUYS COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS WITHOUT A PERMIT OR A SIMPLIFIED PERMIT PROCESS IF YOU JUST STICK BY THIS AGREEMENT, THIS WOULD NOT STICK BY THAT AGREEMENT. UM, AND I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LAST ONE, IT WOULD DRAMATICALLY ALTER THE APPEARANCE AND FUNCTION OF THE BEACH. AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT, IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT HISTORIC, UH, CULTURAL FUNCTION IS MAINTAINED. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THAT, UH, AGREEMENT. I MEAN, JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW, UH, THINGS TO PULL OUT OF IT. ANY PROPOSED PROJECT THAT OCCURS AT OR BELOW THE WATER LEVEL OF SAN ANTONIO RIVER WILL TRIGGER REVIEW UNDER SECTION 4 0 4. THAT'S A BIG COMPLICATED ISSUE. UM, IT WAS AGREED THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. UH, IN AN EFFORT TO STREAMLINE THE FEDERAL PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS, AND OVERALL PROJECT BUDGET SCHEDULE, THIS AGREEMENT STANDARDIZES THE REVIEW PROCESS BY PROVIDING PROCEDURES. IT SATISFACTORILY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EFFECTS OF BRACKET RIDGE PARK, MAINTENANCE, REPAIR, STABILIZATION PROJECT, HISTORIC PROPERTIES. BASICALLY, THERE'S A FRAMEWORK ALREADY AGREED TO OF HOW TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES, HOW TO SIMPLIFY PERMITTING, HOW TO GET, UH, HISTORIC ELEMENTS LIKE THIS, UM, RECONSTRUCTED, RESTORED, REBUILT AS NEEDED. UM, AND THEN LASTLY, YEAH, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR HAVING PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT ALREADY HAVE THE CONSENT OF STAKEHOLDERS. SO PEOPLE WERE ASKED, HOW DO YOU GUYS WANNA DEAL WITH THIS? THE RESULTS RESULTED IN THIS. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER HUGE SORT OF ENGAGE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT RESULTED IN THIS NEXT SLIDE. SO, UH, THESE ARE SOME GRAPHICS THAT KIND OF ILLUSTRATE THE, THE CONCERNS THAT I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE TODAY HAVE. UH, AND WE GET IT. I MEAN, WE SHOULD ALL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS STUFF. UH, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE CERTAIN LAWS AND REGULATIONS THAT TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. SO, TOP LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A, YOU SEE, WELL, I'LL TAKE THE, THE, EACH OF THESE APART. [02:25:01] ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE RIVER. YOU SEE THIS SORT OF TRIANGULAR SHAPE THING THAT'S A BIG CONCRETE AND STONE WALL THAT'S IN THE RIVER. YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE IMAGES ABOVE THAT IS A WALKWAY. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S LIFTED AND BROKEN. NOW, OTHER TIMES IT'S IN PLACE. AND THEN THERE'S THE UPPER WALL, RIGHT? UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF CREATING THAT CUT BANK. IN SOME CASES, IN THE TOP LEFT ONE, THERE IS A TREE JUST ABOVE THAT WALL, AND IT'S PUSHING ON IT. AND ITS ROOTS ARE GROWING, LOOKING FOR OXYGEN AND WATER AND EVERYTHING. AND IT STARTS TO, UH, DISMANTLE THE LOWER PARTS OF THAT WALL STUFF DOWN BELOW THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE NECESSARILY TO THE RIGHT. THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WHERE THAT TREE HAS ALREADY DONE THAT, RIGHT? SO NOW THE TREE IS LEANING, THE WALL IS LEANING. YOU CAN START TO SEE MORE AND MORE, UH, DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE, BOTTOM LEFT. UH, NOW THAT'S, THAT'S A SITUATION WHERE THE TREE IS, IT'S WINNING IN A BIG WAY. , RIGHT? IT'S, UM, IT IS PUSHING THAT WALL DOWN. THE, UM, HISTORIC FABRIC OF THAT WALL IS SOMETIMES JUST RUBBLE AT THE BASE OF THE TREE. OTHER TIMES IT'S DIFFICULT TO FIND IT 'CAUSE IT'S FALLEN INTO THE RIVER. UH, AND THEN LASTLY, THERE ARE PLACES WHERE TREES HAVE VOLUNTEERED. THEY'VE DECIDED TO GROW IN THAT CRACK BETWEEN THE UPPER WALL. AND THAT, THAT SIDEWALK, A LITTLE ACORN FELL IN THERE. YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS LATER, THERE'S A PRETTY BIG TREE THAT'S DOING ITS WORK, RIGHT? TRYING TO BE A TREE. UH, AND SO IT IS UNDERMINING THE UPPER WALL, RIGHT? AND IT IS ALSO BEGINNING TO UNDERMINE THE LOWER WALL. THAT'S THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL THE REALITIES WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE PUT THESE WALLS BACK TOGETHER, WHICH IS NO SIMPLE FEAT. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT TOPIC. SO A DIFFERENT THING. THIS KIND OF TIES BACK INTO STRUCTURAL APPROACHES TO THE WALLS. THE FIRST WE LOOKED AT WAS LET'S LOOK AT WHERE WE COULD MOVE THE WALL. THIS WAS ANOTHER APPROACH TO SAY, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO DO THIS PROJECT? WITH THIS ONE, THERE ARE DRILL PI. SO YOU SEE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE TOP DETAIL. THIS IS ALL ENGINEERING KIND OF CRAZY STUFF THAT SEAN DRAWS. UH, BUT YOU SEE THIS SORT OF ROUND LOOKING THING WITH THIS SORT OF ZIGZAG ON THE BOTTOM. ANYWAY, THAT'S A DRILLED PIER, RIGHT? SO YOU GET THIS BIG PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, IT COMES IN, IT DRILLS A GIANT HOLE, YOU BACKFILL IT FULL OF CONCRETE, AND THEN IT'S TO HOLD THE WALL IN PLACE. AND IT, IT'S, IT'S DRILLED VERY CLOSE TO THE WALL. YOU, UM, HAVE TO NOW ATTACH THE WALL TO THAT CONCRETE TUBE. UM, THE ISSUES WITH THAT IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET NOW BETWEEN THAT TUBE AND THE WALL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEY TOUCH. SO I CAN'T, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET IN THERE AND TIE THEM UP. UH, SO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WALL, RIGHT? SO IF THE WALL IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE, I'D HAVE TO GO IN AND DRILL A HOLE THROUGH IT. PROBABLY PUT A, UM, A RETAINING, UM, A WASHER, BUT A, A PIECE THERE THAT HOLDS IT IN PLACE. UM, SO THAT BEGINS TO, UH, AFFECT THE HISTORIC, UM, UH, LOOK OF THE WALL, RIGHT? EVEN THOUGH IT DOES, IT IS A GREAT APPROACH TO HOLDING IT UP. IT'S NOT A GREAT APPROACH TO MEETING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT GOVERN A PROJECT LIKE THIS. THIS HAS BEEN DONE ON ANOTHER PROJECT NEARBY, THOUGH. UH, IT'S THE CANAL, WHICH IS THE, WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? CARNAHAN. CARNAHAN. THE CARNAHAN CANAL. YES. WHICH IS NEAR THE WITTY. UH, THAT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF A PROJECT WITH VERY DIFFERENT, UH, PARAMETERS AND DIFFERENT ACCESS ISSUES. THE OTHER HERE ISSUE HERE TOO, IS THAT THAT UPPER WALL, WHICH IS NOT REALLY SHOWN HERE, WHAT YOU KIND OF SEE ON THE TOP, BUT IT'S ON A PRETTY STEEP SLOPE. SO THERE'S A BIG PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO GET DOWN TO IT TO DO THAT, THAT EQUIPMENT DOESN'T WANT TO BE ON A STEEP SLOPE LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF CONCERNS WITH THIS. HOWEVER, THIS WAS OUR ORIGINAL IDEA IN DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. WE TOOK THIS DRAWING, NOT THIS DRAWING, BUT OUR VERSION OF THIS DRAWING, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, UH, THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, UH, TO, TO GET EARLY FEEDBACK FROM THEM. UH, THIS WAS OUR APPROACH. AND THE RESULT CAME BACK THAT, UH, AND THEY DON'T SAY YES AND NO DURING EARLY FEEDBACK, UH, BUT THEY WILL GIVE YOU HINTS. AND THE HINT WAS THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO RESOLVE THEIR ISSUES. WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. SO WE TOOK THAT COMMENTS AND WE CAME UP WITH A DIFFERENT APPROACH. SO IT'S BEEN TRIED, IT'S BEEN STUDIED BY TWO DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS ON OUR TEAM. UH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH. NEXT SLIDE. UH, THAT'S THE DETAILS, JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT, UM, THAT IDEA WOULD WORK. SO THE PROS, YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S VERY ROBUST, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING, UM, UH, PINS THROUGH THE WALL. YOU'RE HOLDING IT IN PLACE AGAINST THIS OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY DEEPLY DRIVEN INTO THE SOIL. IT'S GREAT. IT'S JUST THAT YOU CAN'T GET TO IT, UH, IN A NON-INTRUSIVE WAY. SO IT'S BECOMES DAMAGING TO THE WALL. UH, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO DO EXCAVATION, MAYBE [02:30:01] NOT AS MUCH OR IN THE SAME WAYS, BUT THERE'D BE PLENTY OF, UH, CONCERN ABOUT ROOT SYSTEMS, UH, AND THE INTEGRITY OF THESE TREES BEING LOST, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS. CAN'T GET HEAVY. YOUR MACHINERY IN THERE. AND IN A LOT OF CASES YOU HAVE TO DISMANTLE, UH, THESE WALLS, WHICH ACTUALLY, I THINK THE, MAYBE WAS THAT THE OTHER STRUCTURAL SYSTEM? YEAH. SO I, I, I SKIPPED OVER THAT. THERE WAS A THIRD SYSTEM OR THAT WE LOOKED AT OTHER THAN THE ONE WE'RE DOING. IF YOU GO BACK, ONE SLIDE, UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR HERE, THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, DEALT WITH TAKING THE WALL APART AND PUTTING IT BACK TOGETHER. SO IN THAT SITUATION, AND I SAY WALL WALLS, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES, AND THEY'RE ALL IN DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. IN THAT SITUATION, THERE IS NOT AS MUCH EXCAVATION. THAT'S GREAT, RIGHT? THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE WALL APART. UH, YOU BUILD THE WALL, THE, THE CONCRETE BACKING WALL, AND THEN YOU BUILD A NEW WALL IN FRONT OF IT, MADE OUT OF OLD STONE. THAT'S NOT, DOES NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE LAW OR THE SECRETARY INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR THIS KIND OF WORK. UH, IF THE WALL IS THERE, WE NEED TO KEEP IT THERE. IF IT'S JUST FALLING OVER, WE NEED TO TILT IT UP AND KEEP IT THERE. WE CAN'T COMPLETELY DISMANTLE ALL THE WALLS AND REBUILD THEM. IT DOESN'T MEET, UM, IT DOESN'T MEET THE RULES. WE CAN'T DO THAT. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. THE OTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OF, UM, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WAS TREES. AND WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THOSE? SO WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS, THESE, THESE PROJECTS HAVE A LIFE AND THEY HAVE A PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU START WITH CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS AND YOU TRY NEW THINGS AND YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT ALL THE ANSWERS, AND THEN PEOPLE POINT THINGS OUT, RIGHT? AND YOU TRY NEW THINGS. THAT WAS A BIG DEAL WITH THE TREE, UH, SURVEY AND THE TREE RELOCATION. AND THE TREE, UM, DEMOLITION PLANTS. SO WHEN WE FIRST TOOK A PASS AT THIS, IT LOOKED LIKE 83 TREES. WE NEED TO BE CUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS PROJECT. AND REMOVED FROM THE SITE, 83, UH, BECAUSE OF A LOT OF IDEAS THAT PEOPLE BROUGHT TO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS, A LOT OF EDUCATION THAT THEY KIND OF GAVE TO US THEIR OWN SURVEYS, THEIR OWN THINKING, AND TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UH, SORRY, I SAID 83. THERE WERE 83 TREES ON SITE. WE WERE GOING TO REMOVE 70 OF THEM. WE PUSHED, THEY PUSHED BACK. WE TRIED NEW THINGS. WE ENDED UP WITH 48. SO INSTEAD OF 70 BEING REMOVED, IT IS NOW 48 BEING REMOVED. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO HAVE 21 TREES THAT ARE BEING RELOCATED. AND ONE OF THOSE IS BIG. YOU'LL SEE A PICTURE OF IT A MOMENT. UH, AND THERE'S 14 TREES THAT ARE PRESERVED IN PLACE. AND GENERALLY THOSE ARE NICE TREES. UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE SORT OF THE TALLY. EIGHT OF THESE, OR SIX OF THESE ARE HERITAGE TREES. 10 OF THEM ARE PRETTY SMALL, SIX INCHES OR LESS. 24 KIND OF MEDIUM SIZE, YOU KNOW, SIX TO 24 INCH. UH, THERE'S SOME, UH, DEAD TREES. THERE'S FOUR OF THOSE. THEY'RE IN THAT COUNT OF THE 48 THAT WE'RE CUTTING DOWN DEAD TREES. UH, AND ALSO INVASIVE SPECIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF ARE IN THAT COUNT. SO EIGHT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY WANT ANY WEIGHT. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE PLAN THAT'S IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS BEING BID AND WILL BE BUILT TO, YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN TREES THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED IN PURPLE. TREES THAT ARE BEING, UH, MOVED, REMOVED, UH, DUG AND MOVED. UM, AND IN RED ARE TREES THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE GOING AWAY. THEY'RE BEING CUT DOWN. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE LARGE TREE. THAT WAS IN SOME PERIL. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS, THERE'S SORT OF WOODEN SCAFFOLDING IN FRONT OF IT BETWEEN IT AND THE RIVER. THAT'S BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY PUSHED OVER THE WALL. SO IN THIS SITUATION, WE HAVE A BIG TREE MOVER WHO'S COME ON SITE. HE'S LOOKED AT THIS AND THIS GUY HAS MOVED ENORMOUS TREES AROUND THE WORLD. UH, SO HE HAS A PLAN FOR TAKING THIS ONE AND SLIDING IT BACK SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KEEP IT, ITS INTEGRITY, KEEP ITS ROOT SYSTEM, UH, AND THEN WE CAN REBUILD THAT WALL, UM, WHERE IT SITS TODAY. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE PLANTING PLAN. UH, SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S TIED BACK TO THE PREVIOUS PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, TREE PLAN. BUT THIS ACTUALLY SPECIFIES THE PLANTS THAT WE'RE USING, UH, WHICH TREES WE'RE PUTTING IN. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE GROUND PLANE NOW IS ALL GOING TO BE NATIVE PLANTS, UH, THAT WORKS WITH THE ECOLOGY OF THE RIVER AND THAT SORT OF HISTORIC, UH, LANDSCAPE OF THE RIVER. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, SO WHERE ARE WE TODAY? THAT'S WHERE THIS IS. UH, SO THIS IS, UH, THE SCOPE OF WORK. YOU CAN SEE THAT KINDA REDDISH COLORED LINE GOING AROUND THIS. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE WORKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UH, EVEN THOUGH THE LIMIT OF WORK LINE IS THERE, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ARE, THAT'S NOT REALLY PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THOSE BIG, UM, HISTORIC, UM, CYPRESS TREES, THEY ARE STAYING. THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PART OF ANY OF THIS. IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE, THE CUT BANKS. UM, NEXT SLIDE. [02:35:01] SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS WE LOOKED AT EARLIER. AND YOU CAN START TO SEE THE KINDS OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT'S TEDIOUS. EVERY LITTLE PIECE OF THE WALL NEEDS A DIFFERENT KIND OF A TREATMENT. SO WE TRIED TO BE AS NON-INVASIVE AS POSSIBLE SO THAT IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH. EACH ONE FITS THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF THAT WALL. THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THAT WALL, HOW IT WAS BUILT, WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WHY IT WAS BUILT. SO FROM THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME STAIRS AND THE WALLS ON THE EDGES THAT ARE CRACKED, THAT'S STARTING TO FALL APART. THEY WILL BE REPAIRED. UM, NEXT TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE WALL THAT HAS FALLEN OVER AND YOU'RE GONNA SEE A DETAIL IN A MINUTE THAT'S GONNA BE LIFTED. AND, UM, WATER, UM, DOLED INTO PLACE, BUT FROM BEHIND, NOT FROM THE FRONT. UH, THERE IS THEN IN BLUE THE, UH, ZONES WHERE WE NEED TO STABILIZE AND REHABILITATE AN EXISTING WALL. YOU CAN SEE IN RED, THERE'S A WALL THAT'S MISSING, RIGHT? IT'S FALLEN INTO THE RIVER. WE HAVE TO REBUILD THAT. WE'RE GONNA COLLECT ALL THE PIECES THAT WE CAN AND MAKE THAT THING, UH, COME BACK TO AS, AS APPROXIMATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WHAT WAS THERE HISTORICALLY. AND THEN DOWN BELOW, THERE ARE SOME AREAS ALONG THE RIVER FRONT WHERE IT'S KIND OF STONE AND CONCRETE ALL KIND OF MIXED TOGETHER. SO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN PLACE. 'CAUSE AGAIN, IT GETS A LOT OF PRESSURE FROM THE RIVER WHEN THE WATER IS FLOWING. SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO STABILIZE THAT WALL AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE HISTORIC STEPS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT EROSION AND UNDERMINING THAT'S HAPPENED. SO HERE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE, AND, AND A LOT OF THIS WORK WAS DONE IN THE TWO THOUSANDS, I BELIEVE WAS REDONE. SO WE'RE COMING BACK NOW WITH A BETTER APPROACH. SO WE WON'T HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN IN 23 YEARS. UH, SO WITH THIS, WE'RE GONNA LIFT, TAKE ALL THAT STONE UP. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUILD A CONCRETE UNDERPINNING, UM, A, A A A SUBBASE OR SUB SLAB FOR IT. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT IT BACK ON. IT IS NOT GOING TO A HUNDRED PERCENT MEET, UH, ACCESSIBILITY CODES. IT'S GOING TO WHERE WE CAN MAKE IT DO THAT AND MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF IT. OF COURSE, WE WILL DO THAT. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WITH THIS IS MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE STEPS. UM, NOT MEETING NECESSARILY TODAY'S, UH, UM, UH, ACCESSIBILITY CODES, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE ARE GONNA DO THAT. UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME OTHER LITTLE WALL IN THE DISTANCE THERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, OTHER KINDS OF CORRECTIVE, UH, INTERVENTIONS WE NEED TO DO. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE WALL'S STILL STANDING, UM, BUT IN THIS LOCATION AND IT'S, IT'S SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF DOING OKAY, RIGHT? BUT AS THOSE VOLUNTEER TREES THAT I DON'T KNOW GREW UP IN THE LAST 25, 30 YEARS, ARE THERE, UH, THOSE NEED TO BE PULLED OUT. WE HAVE TO DEAL STUFF WITH THE ROOTS. AND THEN WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WALL DOES NOT BECOME LIKE THE OTHERS IN THE FUTURE. SO IT WILL HAVE THIS CONCRETE, UH, SHADOW WALL BUILT BEHIND IT. DOLLED ALTOGETHER. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN UNDERNEATH THE PUMP HOUSE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PIECES ALSO, UM, THE INTEGRITY OF THIS IS MAINTAINED. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE STRUCTURAL DETAILS WE'RE GETTING THERE? UH, OKAY, SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU, IT'S BASICALLY THE PLAN WE JUST LOOKED ARE THE PHOTOGRAPHS WE LOOKED AT. THIS IS THAT SAME INFORMATION ON A PLAN. IT'S COLOR CODED SO YOU CAN SEE EACH INTERVENTION, EACH TYPE OF WALL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND THE KIND OF WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET IT BACK, UM, IN, INTO, ITS, UH, INTO PLACE. THERE'S A COUPLE, SORRY, I SHOULD JUST SAY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THERE IS ONE SMALL AREA, RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DRAWING THERE, UM, WHERE WE HAVE SOME WALL INTERVENTIONS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING ON THE SOUTH SIDE. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO SERIES OF SLIDES HERE THAT SHOW THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS THAT WE ARE USING. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE IS THE DETAIL. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF WALL. AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS A PLAN SHOWING WHERE THAT DETAIL WILL BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED. SO THIS IS A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE AN EXISTING STONE WALL. UH, IT MAY BE IN WHAT LOOKS LIKE PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. THE IDEA IS TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GET INTO ANY WORSE SHAPE. SO BEHIND THAT WALL, WE WILL EXCAVATE AND WE WILL BUILD A CONCRETE, UM, BACKING WALL, AND WE WILL DOW IT INTO PLACE. THE DOWELS DO NOT GO THROUGH THE WALL. THEY'RE ONLY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE WALL. SO WE'RE KIND OF GLUING THIS THING TOGETHER, ALMOST WITH THESE DOLLS THAT WILL GO THROUGH IT. IT'S COMPLICATED, UH, BUT WE KNOW WE CAN DO IT. NEXT SLIDE IN A FEW AREAS. AND YOU CAN SEE IN PINK ON THE PLAN, THIS IS WHERE THE WALL'S GONE. IN THOSE AREAS. SAME THING. WE WILL EXCAVATE, WE WILL BUILD A, UH, CONCRETE BACKING WALL AND THEN USING MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, TECH, WELL HISTORIC TECHNIQUES. UH, BUT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLACES WHERE WE WILL REBUILD THE WALL WITH THE HISTORIC MATERIAL THAT WE WILL SALVAGE FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE RIVER. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE HEAPS LIKE THIS, IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STONE, AND THAT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE, [02:40:01] UH, WE WILL QUARRY NEW STONE. THAT STONE WILL BE INTENTIONALLY QUARRIED SO THAT IT IS NOT TRYING TO MIMIC EXACTLY THE OLD STONE. SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, IT WILL BE CLEAR WHY THEY DID WHAT AND THE, UH, THE TIME PERIODS THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THIS. UM, BUT WE THINK THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF STONE THAT WE CAN KEEP. BUT THERE'S JUST A FEW SPOTS WHERE THIS HAPPENS. NEXT SLIDE. ON THE PHOTOGRAPH, YOU SEE, THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE TWO WALLS, ONE IN THE RIVER, A WALKWAY, AND ONE ABOVE. THIS IS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER. UH, HISTORICALLY THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS BUILT. THIS IS JUST KIND OF WHERE THE SWIMMING ZONE WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, WOULD'VE ENDED. SO IN THAT SITUATION, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DETAIL, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BUILD, OUR BACKING WALL NEEDS TO GO BELOW THE RIVER. UH, SO IT'S A LITTLE DEEPER, BUT WE'RE USING THAT SAME TECHNIQUE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DIAL IT INTO PLACE FROM THE BACK AND THEN HAVE TO, OR WORKERS HAVE TO GET IN THERE TO DO THAT. UH, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SAFE EXCAVATION SPACE FOR THEM TO WORK, TO PUT ALL THAT STUFF TOGETHER SO IT CAN, UH, THEY CAN, UM, IT CAN BE BUILT THIS WAY. NEXT SLIDE WHERE IT, THE WALL HAS FALLEN OVER, THERE IS ANOTHER TECHNIQUE WHERE WE ACTUALLY TAKE IT AND PUSH IT BACK UP. SAME THING, THERE WILL BE DOLLS BEHIND IT THAT WILL RECEIVE IT AS IT COMES UP. PEOPLE HAVE TO GET IN THERE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT AGAIN, YOU WON'T SEE EVIDENCE OF THIS WORK ON THE FACE OF THE WALL. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THIS IS A KIND OF UNIQUE ONE. IT'S CLOSE TO THE PUMP HOUSE WHERE WE HAVE THE LOWER WALL, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UH, KIND OF BIG SLABS OF STONE AND THERE'S A WALKWAY ABOVE IT. SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TECHNIQUE, BUT AGAIN, BUILDING, UH, THE BACKING WALL TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS IN PLACE. AND THEN ABOVE IT, REBUILDING THAT HISTORIC, UM, WALKWAY. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH WITH THE EXISTING WALLS IN THIS LOCATION THAT ARE ABOVE, UH, AT THE TOP NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN AT THE STEPS, WE'RE ALMOST DONE, UH, AT THE STEPS. UH, THIS IS THE IDEA THERE. YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THE DETAIL. THE EXISTING STONE WILL BE LIFTED, STOCKPILED. WE HAVE TO BUILD THIS CONCRETE, UM, SUBBASE THAT WILL RECEIVE THE FUTURE, RECEIVE THAT STONE AS WE PUT IT BACK IN PLACE. THIS WILL KEEP IT FROM FURTHER ERODING. UH, AND THIS STUFF'S STARTING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF DELAMINATING. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S THE, IN A NUTSHELL, UM, A BIG NUTSHELL, UH, THE KIND OF HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, THE CONSTRUCTION DETAILS THAT WE'LL BE USING, UH, TO IMPLEMENT ON THE PROJECT. AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE TO MAINTAIN EVERY TREE ON THIS PROJECT. THERE ARE SOME THAT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THESE TWO COMPETING FACTORS, OLD TREES AND OLD CULTURAL, UH, REL UH, RELICS. I THINK I GOT IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING RELIC ONE TIME, UH, . ANYWAY, BUT, UH, BUT NO, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SAVE BOTH AS, AS MUCH OF BOTH OF THESE THINGS AS POSSIBLE. UM, SO THAT'S IT. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. YEAH, THESE ARE SACRED. OKAY, SO, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. DO I SIT DOWN OR DO YOU START THROWING QUESTIONS AT ME? NO, NEXT OR THESE GUYS GO NEXT. NEXT WE WILL HAVE CITIZEN COMMENTS. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK UP HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, SO I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO KIND OF KEEP US IN AN ORDERLY FASHION HERE. UM, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA CALL THE NEXT SPEAKER, AND THEN I'LL ALSO CALL THE SPEAKER AFTER THEM. UM, SO ONCE YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR WAY UP TO TOWARDS THE PODIUM. UM, MANY OF YOU HAVE SIGNED IN TO YIELD YOUR TIME. UM, SO I ASK THAT, UM, WHEN I INDICATE THAT YOU'VE YIELDED YOUR TIME, YOU EITHER STAND OR RAISE YOUR HAND SO THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR YOUR PRESENCE. UM, SO FIRST LET'S HAVE JEROME MARTIN, FOLLOWED BY BLAKE KEITA, SULLIVAN, AND EDWARD. THERE'S A POWERFUL POINT FOR THIS ONE, IF YOU WANNA PULL THAT UP, IF I CAN GET ANOTHER MEMBER OF STAFF TO HELP PASS THOSE LETTERS OUT. AND JUST A REMINDER THAT, UH, ALL CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, WE'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES UNLESS SOMEONE HAS YIELDED YOUR TIME. AND WE DO HAVE A FEW EMPTY SEATS UP HERE. SO I GUESS IF YOU'RE PREPARING TO HEAD UP TO THE PODIUM, GO AHEAD AND TAKE ONE OF THOSE EMPTY SEATS SO THAT YOU'RE READY TO GO. OKAY. SORRY, JEROME. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST HAVE MY TWO, THAT'S TWO MINUTES. SORRY. I'LL GIVE THE TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THE RIVER. UH, MY NAME'S JEROME MARTIN. I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE RIVER. OUR ASSOCIATION OBJECTS TO THE PROPOSED PRESERVATION PROJECT AT LAMBERT BEACH IN BRACKEN RIDGE PARK AND ITS CURRENT DESIGN. [02:45:02] WHILE WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THE RESTORATION AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE HISTORIC MANMADE STRUCTURES, WE DO NOT SUPPORT DOING SO AT THE EXPENSE OF THE HISTORIC NATURAL LANDSCAPE. WE ASK THE COMMISSION TO DENY THE PERMIT UNTIL THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION CONSIDERS DESIGNS THAT WILL PRESERVE THE EXISTING TREES AND ALLOW THE PLANTING OF NEW CANOPIES ALONG THE RIVERBANK. OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS WITHIN RIO DISTRICT ONE. WE ARE RIGHT SOUTH AND A LITTLE BIT WEST RIGHT OF BRACKENRIDGE. WE ARE, WE'RE REALLY THE LAST NATURAL STRETCH OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER WITHIN THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE TREES ARE NOT SIMPLY A REPLACEABLE COMMODITY. THEY ARE DEF A DEFINING NATURAL ELEMENT THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE NATURAL HISTORIC CONTINUITY. CREATING THE ICONIC VIEWS OF THE, THE VIEW SHED OF THE PARK, DETERMINING THAT THE CITY'S PERMIT MET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE ANTIQUITIES ACT. THE T H C LAST WEEK MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE FINDING THESE FIND THEIR FINDINGS DID NOT MEAN THAT ALTERNATIVE, THAT OTHER ALTERNATIVES WERE NOT AVAILABLE. THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR STATED IF A PERMIT MEETS THE STANDARDS, IT SHOULD BE ISSUED, QUOTE, EVEN IF THERE MIGHT BE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE MORE PROTECTION TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. HOWEVER, THE T H C CLOSED BY URGING THE CITY TO HEAR FROM PROFESSIONALS IN OTHER FIELDS WHOSE EXPERTISE MIGHT HELP INFORM THE CITY'S DECISION MAKING PROCESS. THE T H C HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE CITY WAS NOT ASKED TO CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS THAT WOULD SAVE THE TREES. THIS BODY IS CHARGED WITH ENFORCING THE UD C'S PROHIBITION OF DEMOLISHING HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES ON THE RIVER. OTHER ORGANIZATIONS HAVE POINTED OUT THAT THE VOTERS APPROVED THE 2017 BOND. VOTERS ALSO APPROVED THE TREE ORDINANCE A MUCH MORE SPECIFIC EXPRESSION OF THE CITIZEN'S PRIORITIES. AND WE URGE THE COMMISSIONER TO ENFORCE IT. OKAY? SO WE URGE THE COMMISSION TO STRIKE A BALANCE THAT PRESERVES THE WALLS AND THE TREES AS OUR FOREFATHERS DESIGNED THEM TO COEXIST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, BLAKE, YOU TO SULLIVAN, FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA PATRICK, UH, NIKITA WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. SIDNEY MARTIN HAS YIELDED THEIR TIME. SIDNEY, CAN I GET OKAY, THANK YOU. HI. HI COMMISSIONERS. UM, CAN I SEE SLIDES, UM, TWO THROUGH FIVE, PLEASE? IS THAT POSSIBLE? OKAY. UM, PRESENTATION OR THE RIVER ROAD PACKET FROM RIVER ROAD. YEAH. UM, THANK YOU. UM, SO MY NAME'S BLANC KEITH, THE SULLIVAN. UM, I LIVE AT ONE 20 ANASTASIA PLACE. AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE TREES IN THE PARK AND THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE RETAINING WALLS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. UM, IF YOU COULD GO TO, I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEN, UH, CONTINUE PLEASE. THE ONE AFTER. AND, AND THEN I THINK ONE MORE. IF YOU COULD STOP HERE. THANK YOU. SO YOU'LL SEE IN THOSE IMAGES THAT WE JUST SCROLLED THROUGH, UM, IMAGES OF, UH, LAMBERT BEACH FROM THE 1910S THROUGH THE 1940S. AND, UH, THAT'S A LANDSCAPE THAT IS FILLED WITH TREES. UM, FROM THE EARLIEST DAYS IN THE PARK, THE PARKS COMMISSIONER TOOK GREAT PANES TO PROTECT THE TREES. UH, THE FIRST COMMISSIONER WAS LUDWIG MANKEY, AND HE NOTED THAT NOT A SINGLE QUOTE MONARCH OF THE FOREST HAD BEEN CUT DOWN, UH, TO CREATE ROADS THROUGH THE PARK. UM, I'D LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS ARTICLE FROM THE SAN ANTONIO LIGHT. THIS IS FROM NOVEMBER OF 1940. IT SAYS, RIVER SPARE THOSE TREES A ROCK WALL BUILT TO PROTECT TREES. AND A ROCK RETAINING WALL IS BEING CONSTRUCTED ALONG A SECTION OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK TO HALT EROSION, WHICH THREATENS THE LIFE OF THE TREES, AND IT CONTINUES ON. SO THIS HIGHLIGHTS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR ABOUT TODAY. UM, ONE POINT THAT I THINK MUST BE RECOGNIZED AND CORRECTED. UM, THE RETAINING WALLS WERE SPECIFICALLY BUILT BY THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THE W P A TO PROTECT THE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AND, UM, AND I, I DO WANNA CORRECT SOMETHING THAT WE HEARD, UM, EARLIER THIS EVENING IN THE PRESENTATION, UM, WHERE I THINK IT WAS STATED THAT THE TREES GREW UP AROUND THE WALLS. UM, BUT THAT IS REALLY NOT THE CASE. AND WE CAN SEE THAT IN PHOTOS. WE CAN SEE THAT IN AT LEAST TWO ARTICLES FROM THIS TIME, THAT THE WALLS WERE VERY CLEARLY BUILT TO PROTECT THE TREES, AND THAT'S WHY THEY EXIST TODAY. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES FOR CULTURAL LANDSCAPES TONIGHT. UM, THESE OUTLINE CLEAR REQUIREMENTS FOR HISTORY AND UNDERSTANDING OF NATURAL FEATURES. SO THEY STATE NATURAL SYSTEMS ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE AND [02:50:01] MUST BE CONSIDERED WHEN SELECTING AN APPROPRIATE TREATMENT. AND CAREFUL PLANNING PRIOR TO TREATMENT CAN HELP PREVENT IRREVOCABLE DAMAGE TO A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE BEFORE UNDERTAKING PROJECT WORK. RESEARCH OF CULTURAL LANDSCAPE IS ESSENTIAL. UM, AT THIS POINT, NO PRESERVATION PLANNING HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE CITY TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION OR, UH, TO TO ANY OF YOU. UM, WE HAVE ONLY SEEN AN ENVIRONMENTAL CULTURAL RESOURCES STUDY FOR THE BUILT FEATURES. UM, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED WITH A STUDY OF THE NATURAL FEATURES. THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER LANDSCAPE IS PARTICULARLY BEAUTIFUL, IN PART DUE TO THE EXTRAORDINARY CREATIVITY OF THOSE WHO DESIGNED A BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT WOVE SEAMLESSLY IN WITH THE MAJESTIC NATURAL SETTING. IT IS NOW UP TO US AND TO YOU TO CONTINUE THIS LEGACY OF CREATIVITY AND PRESERVATION. THIS PARK IS OUR MOST BELOVED AND OUR MOST SACRED. WE ASK YOU TODAY TO PLEASE INSIST ON A SOLUTION THAT EXPLORES DESIGN ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN PRESERVE THE HISTORIC WALLS WITHOUT IRREVOCABLY DAMAGING OUR CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WORK HERE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, PATRICIA, PAT. YES, FOLKS, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO CALL THE NEXT PERSON, UM, THROUGH THE APPLAUSE. UM, SO FOLLOWING PATRICIA WILL BE ARLENE FISHER. UH, PATRICIA WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. JOSIAH BARRIOS HAS YIELDED THIS TIME. SAW THE HAND. THANK YOU. READY TO GO? OKAY. UM, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS PATRICIA PRT. I LIVE AT 7 33 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE. I'M A RIVER ROAD NEIGHBOR. I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS SLIDE. THE SITE PLAN ON THE LEFT DIAGRAMS THE EXISTING TREES WITH RED, INDICATING THE ONES TO BE REMOVED AND GREEN, INDICATING THE ONES TO BE PRESERVED, ACCEPTING FOR THE LARGE, FOR THE LARGEST AND MOST PROMINENT TREE AT THE UPPER LEFT CORNER, A HERITAGE SIZE OAK TREE. INSTEAD OF PRESERVING IT IN PLACE, THIS LARGE TREE IS SCHEDULED TO BE TRANSPLANTED. YOU WERE JUST TOLD THAT AWAY FROM THE UPPER RIVER BANK, AT GREAT RISK TO THIS TREE AS VIEWED IN THIS DIAGRAM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TREES ON THE RIVER'S UPPER BANK ARE TO BE REMOVED OR TRANSPLANTED, RESULTING IN AN ENTIRELY UNRECOGNIZABLE REORDERING OF THIS LANDSCAPE. NOW, FAST FORWARD 10 YEARS, THE DIAGRAM ON THE RIGHT SIDE ILLUSTRATES THIS CHANGED AND INAPPROPRIATE NEW LANDSCAPE DEVOID ALMOST COMPLETELY OF SHADE CANOPY TREES. INSTEAD, THE REPLACEMENT LANDSCAPE USES EXCLUSIVELY SMALL UNDERSTORY PLANTINGS ALONG THE BANK DIAGRAMMED IN RED. WITH, WITHOUT THE CHARACTER DEFINING NATURAL HISTORIC LARGE CANOPY TREES, THE LAMBERT BEACH LANDSCAPE HAS LOST ITS HISTORICAL INTEGRITY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS A CURRENT VIEW OF LAMBERT BEACH, A CULTURAL VERNACULAR LANDSCAPE THAT HAS CHANGED OVER TIME BY NATURAL PROCESSES PER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. UNLIKE OTHER HISTORIC CULTURAL RESOURCES, CULTURAL LANDSCAPES ARE INHERENTLY DYNAMIC DUE TO THEIR LIVING SYSTEMS AND COMPONENTS. INDEED, MUCH OF THE WALLS IN THE PROJECT AREA HAVE ALREADY COLLAPSED AND WILL NEED TO BE REBUILT. TO DATE, THE CITY WON'T INCLUDE VIABLE ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS IN THEIR PLANS, BOTH TO THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, NOR TO THE, TO YOU, TO YOURSELVES. THESE ALTERNATIVES WOULD ALLOW REHABILITATED EXISTING WALLS AND EXISTING CANOPY TREES TO BE PRESERVED IN PLACE AS A SURE RESULT OF THE CITY'S PROPOSED PLANS. WE WILL LOSE IRREPLACEABLE TREES, A TRAGIC AND UNNECESSARY CONSEQUENCE OF PUTTING FORM OVER SUBSTANCE, LITERALLY FOR GENERATIONS. SAN ANTONIO'S AND VI VISITORS HAVE ENJOYED THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND COOLING SHADE OF THIS HISTORIC LANDSCAPE. IT DEFIES LOGIC THAT WE WOULD DO THAT WE WOULD NOT DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE THESE TREES FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS AS WE HAVE ENJOYED THEM. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. ARLENE FISHER, FOLLOWED BY A ZIGGY. UM, IF I DON'T HAVE A LAST NAME, JUST MAKE SURE TO SAY YOUR FULL NAME, UM, WHEN YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM. UM, ARLENE WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. UH, JANE HENRY HAS YIELDED THEIR TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FELLOW OR COMMITTEE MEMBERS? UH, [02:55:01] MY NAME IS ARLENE FISHER. I LIVE AT 7 1 7 EAST WOODLAWN AVENUE WITHIN RIVER ROAD. OH, CAN YOU PLEASE MOVE TO SLIDE NINE AND 10? SLIDE NINE REPRESENTS AN EARLY DESIGN FOR LAMBERT BEACH BY THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS DOCUMENT, ALTHOUGH NOT FINAL SHOWS THAT THE CITY DID NOT INSTRUCT ITS DESIGN TEAM TO PRIORITI PRIORITIZE PRESERVING THE TREES, THE CITY PLAN TO CUT DOWN THE TREES FROM THE PLAN INCEPTION. AND THIS INFORMATION WAS WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC. AND CAN YOU ADVANCE TO SLIDE 10? THANK YOU. ON THE LEFT REPRESENTS CITY'S PROPOSED DESIGN PLAN FOR THE WALL. THE DESIGN WAS CREATED ON AN ERRONEOUS ASSUMPTION THAT THE ORIGINAL ROCK WALL HAD TO BE PRESERVED. THE CITY'S CANTILEVER DESIGN PROPOSES CREATING A SHADOW WALL ALONG THE ORIGINAL ROCK WALL. THIS METHOD REQUIRES A FOUR FOOT LONG FOOTER TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE RETAINING WALL AND EXTEND INTO THE RIVERBANK. UH, IN THE, UH, THIS METHOD REQUIRES A, YEAH, EXCUSE ME. UH, THIS WAS PROVIDED BY A LETTER BY CF S IN MARCH, 2023. ACCORDINGLY, THIS REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT EXCAVATION ALONG THE BANK OF APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FEET IN DEPTH AND FIVE FEET ACROSS. THE PLAN REQUIRES THE REMOVER OF ALL TREES WITHIN THE RIVER BANK WITHIN A DISTANCE OF APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET FROM THE RIVER AND WALLS. THIS TECHNIQUE IS NOT DESIGNED TO SUPPORT EXISTING ROOT SYSTEMS OF ESTABLISHED LARGE CANOPY TREES OR FUTURE LARGE CANOPY TREES PLANTED ALONG THE BANK. AND A REVIEW OF THIS TECHNIQUE BY REGISTERED CIVIL AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS INDICATE THE DESIGN HAS INHERENT FLAWS. ON THE RIGHT IS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE, A SCHEMATIC DESIGN INVOLVING PEER AND SPANDREL WALL. THE DESIGN REQUIRES PIERCE DRILLED AT ABOUT 12 FOOT INTERVALS WITH A SPANDREL WALL BETWEEN THE PIERS. THE DESIGN OFFERS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN PURE PLACEMENT AND MINIMIZES THE DISRUPTION OF THE TREE'S ROOT SYSTEM. IN ADDITION, THE DESIGN REQUIRES AN ENCROACHMENT OF ONLY EIGHT TO 12 INCHES INTO THE RIVER BANK AREA OF THE WALL LOCATED BETWEEN THE TREES. IN CONTRAST THAT THE CITY'S CAN DELIVER CONSTRUCTION METHOD, DIS DESIGN MINIMIZES POTENTIAL, UH, INJURY TO THE TREES. UH OH. IN COMPARISON, ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER'S REPORT, THE DESIGN IS STRONGER AND MORE DURABLE THAN CANDLE LIVER DESIGN FOR MAINTAINING RIVERBANK STABILIZATION AND ALLOWING TREES TO BE PLANTED AND THRIVE. THESE WOULD REPLACE OVER TIME THE HERITAGE TREES PRESERVING THE AMBIEN AND RE INTEGRITY OF LAMBERT BEACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, ZIGGY FOLLOWED BY ROY SCHWEERS. UM, ZIGGY WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. SETH TEAL HAS YIELDED HIS TIME. OKAY. AND I FORGET WHAT SLIDE IT'S GOING TO BE. LET ME CHECK REALLY QUICKLY. UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 11, PLEASE? YOU'RE ON POINT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. UH, MY NAME IS GERON ZIG ZIGGY NIRI. AND, UH, I'VE BEEN CLIMBING IN PRUNING TREES SINCE, UH, 2006 AND HAVE BEEN A CERTIFIED ARBORIST FOR, UH, UH, OVER 13 YEARS. I'M THE OWNER OF NAUGHTY BY NATURE TREE CARE, AND I WORK TO PRESERVE TREES FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CLIENTS. HENCE MY PARTICIPATION. I SPEAK FOR THE TREES. UM, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LIVE OAKS AND OTHER TREE SPECIES AT LAMBERT BEACH. I VISITED THESE, UH, THE SITE OFTEN AND HAVE WORKED ON MANY OF THE LIVE OAKS PROPOSED FOR DIS UH, DESTRUCTION, INCLUDING THE HERITAGE OAK, UM, FROM TREES 95 TO 1 0 1, WHICH ARE SOME OF MY FAVORITES. UH, MY LAST CLIMB THESE TREES IN 2022 AND VISITED THIS SITE AS RECENTLY AS LAST WEEK. THE LARGE BALD CYPRESS BETWEEN THE PUMPHOUSE AND BATHHOUSE IS ALSO TO BE CONSIDERED A HERITAGE TREE. SO, MEASURED AGAIN, YOU GUYS. UM, ALL OF THESE TREES, ALONG WITH A VARIETY OF OTHER SPECIES SLATED FOR REMOVAL OR HIGHLY VALUABLE TREES THAT CONTRIBUTE, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO THE INTEGRITY OF OUR LANDSCAPE. UM, THE U D C CODE, UH, PROHIBITS [03:00:01] REMOVAL OF OR DAMAGE TO HERITAGE TREES SUCH AS LARGE CYPRUS AND OTHER OLD SIGNIFICANT TREES FROM THE TOP BANK OR ALONG THE RIVERWALK IN ALL, UH, RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY DISTRICTS, EXCEPT FOR THE TREE IS DAMAGED DUE TO DISEASE, AGE OR PHYSICAL CONDITION, AND MUST BE REMOVED FOR SAFETY REASONS, THEN WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY ARBORIST OR THE OFFICIAL URBAN FORESTER. THE HISTORIC AND, UH, DESIGN AND UH, REVIEW COMMISSION MAY, UH, GRANT APPROVAL FOR DEMOLITION IN ORDER FOR, UH, IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT TREES MEET THIS CRITERIA BEING DAMAGED, UH, UH, OR, OR PRESENTING HAZARDS. UH, AS A REQUIREMENT OF OF REMOVAL FOR SAFETY REASONS, UM, AN ARBORIST MUST PERFORM A BASIC RISK RISK ASSESSMENT OF EACH TREE. THIS INVOLVES MEASURING AND ESTIMATING NUMEROUS FACTORS THAT GO INTO A MATRIX, DETERMINING RISK ASSOCIATED WITH A SPECIFIC TREE. THIS WAS NOT DONE BY THE DEVELOPER NOR PARKS DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THE INITIAL DESIGN AND TREE MASTER PLAN. UM, THE CITY DID PROVIDE AN ASSESSMENT DONE BY FOUR INDEPENDENT CERTIFIED ARBORISTS, DAVID VAUGHN, MICHAEL TWICH, MARK ROZI, AND, UH, MARK DUFF, UH, B C M A BOARD, BOARD CERTIFIED MASTER ARBORIST. THESE ARBORISTS DID NOT CONCLUDE THAT ANY OF THESE TREES IN THIS PHASE ARE DAMAGED, DISEASED, OR OTHERWISE MUST BE REMOVED FOR SAFETY. UM, IN FACT, WITH RESPECT TO TREE 1 0 1, THE TREE THAT THE CITY HAS PROPOSED FOR TRANSPLANTING, THE ARBOR HAS CONCLUDED THAT TREE 1 0 1 HAS AN ABUNDANCE OF STRUCTURAL ROOTS. AND WE FEEL THAT IS UNLIKELY THAT IT WILL BE DESTABILIZED OR KILLED BY REMOVING ROOTS CLOSE TO THE TRUNK OR THE RIVERSIDE TO RESTORE THE WALL AND SUPPORT FEATURES, MEANING ESSENTIALLY THIS TREE DOES NOT NEED TO BE TRANSPLANTED FOR A THOUGHTFUL PROJECT TO PROCEED. AND THIS POTENTIAL WORK COULD GO TO TREE 100 AND THAT TREE IN LIEU COULD BE MOVED. ALL OF THAT MONEY AND POTENTIAL INTEREST COULD BE PUT INTO THAT, SAVING MORE TREES IN THE PROCESS. UM, THIS ASSESSMENT CLEARLY SHOWS THE ARBORIST CONCLUSION THAT THE TREE THE LARGEST AND OLDEST IS HEALTHY AND DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS FOR REMOVAL. I'VE ALSO REVIEWED THE PROVO, THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION METHOD USING A PURE AND SPAN WALL PROPOSED BY MR. CRUZ AND MR. GUTIERREZ. THE CITY'S INDEPENDENT ARBORISTS WERE NOT PROVIDED WITH THIS PLAN TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT ON THE TREES FROM THIS CONSTRUCTION METHOD. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE METHOD PROPOSED BY THESE ENGINEERS WOULD HAVE A HIGHER SUCCESS RATE OF TREE SURVIVABILITY. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PECANS WHERE THE WALLS HAVE FALLEN AWAY, THE TREES CAN SURVIVE FOR YEARS WITH EXPOSED ROOTS, EVEN WITH NO MAINTENANCE PERFORMED BY THE CITY. UNDER THE PRO, UNDER THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION, THE WALLS WOULD BE REMOVED, EXPOSING THE ROOTS. THE ROOTS WOULD THEN BE PRUNED AS NECESSARY AND SEALED. UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR OAK TREES. IF THIS TYPE OF WORK IS TO BE DONE, THE PIERS WOULD BE ALIGNED TO AVOID ANY MAJOR ROOTS AND THE SHALLOW WALL INSTALLED BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES ONLY EIGHT TO 12 INCH INCURSION. THE TREES HAVE PROPERLY MAINTAINED WOULD LIKELY SURVIVE. AND TO QUOTE DIRECTLY FROM THE TREE ASSESSMENT COMPLETED AFTER PUBLIC REQUESTS FROM THESE A ARBORISTS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. WELL, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ROY SCHWEERS, FOLLOWED BY HILLARY SAUNDERS. UH, ROYAL WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. LEAH BROGAN AND ROBIN BAINE HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. THANK YOU. AND I ONLY NEED FOUR MINUTES, SO I'LL YIELD MY TIME TO SUSAN AT THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S, LET'S SAY THAT ROBIN WILL YIELD HER TIME TO SUSAN. ACTUALLY, NO, WE CAN'T. SUSAN'S MAXED OUT. OKAY, HILLARY, I'LL YIELD IT TO HILLARY. ALRIGHT. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. UM, I, IF YOU COULD ADVANCE TO THE NEXT, UH, LET'S HOLD THIS SLIDE FOR JUST A SECOND. 'CAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE. TREE 1 0 6, THE CYPRESS TREE, UM, IS A TREE OF GREAT CONCERN. IT WAS NOT LISTED EARLIER, UH, IN THE APPLICATION AS A TREE OF GREAT CONCERN. IT WASN'T LISTED EARLIER. LAST YEAR IS A HERITAGE TREE. IT WAS RIGHT ON THE CUSP. BUT AFTER A YEAR OF GROWTH, IT'S A HERITAGE TREE. AND SO JUST RECOGNIZE THAT CYPRESS TREE AT THE UPPER BANK IS, IS AN IMPORTANT TREE. UM, IT IS A SPECIMEN BEAUTIFUL CYPRESS TREE THAT'S WORTHY OF SAVING. UM, NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE. SO THE U D C I I, I WANNA TALK ABOUT IT. AND, UH, AND WE JUST HEARD THE LANGUAGE FROM THE ARBORS ABOUT THE U D C, UH, BUT WITHIN THE U D C, THERE'S ALL THESE LIKE RULES AND, UH, VERY SPECIFIC, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE GUIDELINES AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE SHALL AND PROHIBITED. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT'S PROHIBITED AND THERE, AND THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGES OF ANDS AND ORS. AND I HIGHLIGHTED AN AND, AND I GOT IT WRONG, THAT ONE SHOULD BE AN OR . AND THEN IN, IN THE, UH, FINDINGS FROM THE CITY, THEY HAVE AN OR AT THE END, UH, DAMAGE DUE TO DISEASE, AGE OR PHYSICAL CONDITION, AND MUST BE REMOVED FOR THE SAFETY REASONS. THE, AND SO IT'S EITHER DAMAGED [03:05:01] OR REMOVED FOR SAFETY REASONS, IS WHAT IT SAYS IN THE FINDINGS. BUT THIS IS WHAT THE TRUE U D C SAYS. IT SAYS. AND SO IT HAS, SO THE TREES HAVE TO BE, HAVE TO BE DISEASED OR THEY HAVE TO BE A SAFETY REASON. AND WE JUST HEARD THAT NONE OF THE TREES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEET THAT CONDITION. THE SAFETY CONCERNS ARE FROM THE WALLS, AND IN FACT, IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT IT'S TAKING THE TREES OUT, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED, PROHIBITED BY THE U D C FROM DOING. AND SO PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT THE U D C SAYS WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR DECISIONS ON THIS. AND, UM, IF YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO ANOTHER SECTION IS ABOUT DEMOLITION REQUIREMENTS AND NORMALLY DEMOLITION REQUIREMENTS FROM LANDMARKS OR BUILDINGS. AND SO IT'S, SO STAFF IS NOT CONSIDERED THIS AS A LANDMARK, BUT IT IS A LANDMARK. AND THESE ARE NATURAL FEATURES NOT AND BUILT FEATURES. AND SHANNON, OUR O H P OFFICER, SAID IN THE 2017 MASTER PLAN THAT, UH, SUCH TREES, EVEN PLANT MASSES, ARE CONSIDERED IN THE CONTEXT OF THE HISTORIC PLACE. THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION WOULD BE ENTITLED TO REVIEW CHANGES IN THE PARK THAT ARE NORMALLY ATTRIBUTED TO BUILT ELEMENTS, WALLS, BUILDINGS, ET CETERA, TO ANY ELEMENT IN THE PARK, INCLUDING THE TREES. AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WE'VE SEEN, THEY'VE BEEN BROUGHT TO T H C, THEY'VE BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU. WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED THE TREES IN CONSIDERING WHAT IS IN THE GUIDELINES FOR THE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS. UM, TREATMENT OF CULTURAL, UH, UH, TREES, UM, FEATURES THE NATURAL FEATURES. AND, UH, YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. BUT I, I WANTED TO BRING THOSE TWO ASPECTS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE IF IT IS A LANDMARK, THEN YOU HAVE 60 DAYS TO STOP AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES. SIMILAR TO WHAT THE DIRECTOR OF THE T H C RECOMMENDED YOU DO, WHEN HE MADE HIS OPENING STATEMENTS LAST TUESDAY THAT THEIR HANDS WERE TIED BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION THAT LOOKED AT THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS, UH, THAT WERE NATURAL AT THIS LANDSCAPE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT WE HAVE HILLARY SAUNDERS, FOLLOWED BY BECKY GALVAN. HILLARY WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. ACTUALLY, THERE'S A KAYLA P KAYLA, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR, OKAY. DID ANYONE ELSE YIELD TIME TO HILLARY THAT I'M MISSING? I, I'M, I'M MINUTES, SO WE'LL TAKE ROBIN'S TIME FOR HILLARY. NOT THAT MUCH. . ALL RIGHT. MAY I START SPEAKING INTO THE MIC WITH, OKAY. RIGHT. OKAY, GOOD. UH, YEAH. GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S HILLARY SAUNDERS AND I LIVE IN THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. I APOLOGIZE FOR READING, BUT I'VE GOTTA GALLOP THROUGH THIS SO IT'S EASIER. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF THE TREES IN QUESTION AS THEY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS THE PRECIOUS CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. THAT'S BRACKEN. I'M AN ARCHITECT AND HAVE 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN WORKING IN THE AREA OF HERITAGE AND CULTURAL LANDSCAPE PLANNING. IN MY FORMER PRACTICE IN SAN ANTONIO, MY CLIENTS INCLUDED THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, THE SAN ANTONIO DEVELOPMENT AGENCY VIA TRA METROPOLITAN TRANSIT CONSERVATION SOCIETY. AND I HAVE SERVED ON THE RIVERWALK COMMISSION, ALBEIT A LONG TIME AGO. MY VIEW IS THAT THIS PROJECT'S SUCCESS LIES IN SATISFYING BOTH THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IN A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL DESIGN RESPONSE. I BELIEVE THIS IS POSSIBLE THROUGH TAKING A FINER GRAINED APPROACH TO THE DESIGN OPTIONS AVAILABLE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE STATE'S GUIDELINES. THE APPROACH ALREADY TAKEN IS A COMBINATION OF REHABILITATION AND RECONSTRUCTION. THERE ARE EXPLICIT GUIDELINES FOR THESE APPROACHES THAT I WON'T BELABOR HERE, BUT ASTA SULLIVAN POINTED OUT RECONSTRUCTION REQUIRES THAT RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTATION OF PROPO OF ALL PROPOSED INTERVENTIONS INTO ELEMENTS OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE BE DONE AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW. THIS RESEARCH AND DOCUMENTATION PROVIDES THE FOUNDATION FROM WHICH TO MAKE EDUCATED DECISIONS FOR PROJECT TREATMENT. THESE REQUIREMENTS WERE LAID OUT IN A LETTER FROM THE T H C TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ON FEBRUARY THE NINTH, 2022. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION HAS NOT BEEN FORTHCOMING FOR, FORTHCOMING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE PLAN COMMISSIONED BY THE CONSERVANCY IS AN [03:10:01] EXCELLENT DOCUMENT AND HAS MARVELOUS RESOURCES. CULTURAL LANDSCAPES ARE A CONTINUUM THROUGH HISTORY AND INCORPORATE THE STORY OF PLACE FROM EARLY TIMES INTO THE DISTANT FUTURE. WHEN WORKING WITHIN A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE SUCH AS BRACKENRIDGE PARK, WE WORK WITH THE INHERENT VALUES THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THE HUMAN RESPONSE TO THE PARK'S, NATURAL FEATURES AND SYSTEMS SIMULTANEOUSLY. ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THE NATURAL SYSTEMS RESPONSE TO THREATS SUCH AS CLIMATE IMPACTS AND ENCROACHING HUMAN SETTLEMENTS. THERE ARE THUS TWO SETS OF VALUES INTERTWINED. IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT THE UNDERLYING VALUES REPRESENTED BY BRACKENRIDGE PARK'S, SOCIAL AND NATURAL HISTORY PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK FOR INTERVENTIONS IN THE FUTURE. IT IS A PLACE OF WATER AND HAS HAD VARIOUS HUMAN SETTLEMENT PATTERNS OVER ITS HISTORY. CULTURAL LANDSCAPES DO NOT PERMIT THE SO-CALLED FREEZE FRAME APPROACH TO CULTURE, BUT RATHER A MORE EVOLVING AND NUANCED STORYLINE. I WILL ILLUSTRATE MY APPROACH TO THIS PROJECT THROUGH AN EXAMPLE. IN THE 1990S, I DESIGNED THE MASTER PLAN FOR AN EXTREMELY SENSITIVE HISTORIC LANDSCAPE. THE MODIFICATION OF SAN ANTONIO'S RIVERWALK TO COMPLY WITH A D A LAWS. THIS PROJECT WAS COMPLEX, POTENTIALLY CONTENTIOUS, REQUIRING INTERVENTIONS INTO HAGMAN'S HISTORICAL FABRIC, WHILE PROVIDING ACCESS TO HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL SITES ALONG THE WAY, THUS ENABLING ACCESS TO THE FULL STORY OF SAN ANTONIO'S RIVERWALK. AS AMERICANS, OUR UNDERLYING VALUES HAD EVOLVED AND WERE ENSHRINED IN THE A D A LEGISLATION. I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE INCORPORATED MANY WAYS TO TELL THE RIVERWALK STORY THROUGH INTERPRETIVE DISPLAYS OF TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE HERITAGE AUDIO OPPORTUNITIES. AND SENSITIVE DESIGN MODIFICATIONS. OUR TEAM'S FINE-GRAINED APPROACH WAS UNDERPINNED BY RESEARCH AND INTERPRETATION. I SUGGEST THAT THIS APPROACH CAN BE USED IN THE CASE OF LAMBERT BEACH'S REHABILITATION AND RECONSTRUCTION DESIGN, AND, UH, INTERROGATE WHETHER THE PREVAILING VALUE DRIVING THE PROJECT SHOULD BE ONLY RETURNING ALL WALLS TO CONDITION. BRECKENRIDGE PARK WILL SERVE AS A GREEN LUNG FOR THE GROWING SAN ANTONIO. THE FUTURE IS CLEAR AND WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR NATURAL CANOPY AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I HOPE THIS CONTRIBUTION HELPS PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK THROUGH WHICH THE PROJECT CAN PROCEED IN SERVICE TO THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE AND ALL WHO ENJOY IT. THANK YOU. BECKY GALVAN, FOLLOWED BY LUCY WILSON. BECKY HAS TWO MINUTES. COULD I HAVE SLIDE NUMBER 18, PLEASE? MM-HMM. , THANK YOU SO MUCH. HELLO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I'M BECKY GALVAN. I LIVE IN RIVER ROAD. I THINK YOU GUYS PROBABLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DRINKING FROM A FIRE HOSE WHEN YOU HEAR US TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. IT'S, THAT'S OUR NEIGHBOR. UM, MY ROLE HERE TODAY IS TO CLARIFY THAT THE CITY'S TREE COUNT DOESN'T HOLD UP. AND, UH, AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS AND OF WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE, UH, LENGTHY AND DEEP, AS YOU MIGHT KNOW, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE, UM, O H P FINDINGS IN THE POSTED APPLICATION PACKET, AND THE CITY WRONGLY CLAIMS TO PRESERVE 35 ADDITIONAL TREES AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS. UH, WHEN WE COMPARED THE CITY'S CURRENT SUBMISSION TO THE H D R C PAGE 21 OF THE PACKET. UH, WITH THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS SUBMITTED LAST YEAR TO H D R C, BEFORE THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS, WE FOUND, UM, ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL TREE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO BE REMOVED, TO BE PRESERVED IN PLACE. HMM, WHAT A SURPRISE. UH, AND THAT IS A SIX INCH PECAN TREE ON THE NORTH UPPER BANK. NOW, UH, THE OTHER 13 TREES THAT WERE LISTED BY THE CITY AS WILL BE PRESERVED, UM, ALREADY WERE SCHEDULED TO BE PRESERVED BEFORE THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO THIS WASN'T DONE AS A RESULT OF PUBLIC INPUT. UM, YOU ALL WERE HERE LAST YEAR, MOST OF YOU, SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE STARTED LAST YEAR, UH, WHEN EVERYBODY WAS SURPRISED BY THE TREE MASSACRE PLAN. IN ANY EVENT, UM, THESE 13 TREES ARE NOT ADDITIONAL TREES PRESERVED IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INPUT. UH, THEY ALWAYS WERE PRESERVED IN THE PROJECT. UH, WE ALSO WILL NOTE THAT ONLY ONE OF THE 21 TREES TO BE TRANSPLANTED TREE NUMBER 101, WHICH IS A 45 INCH HERITAGE OAK, IS SCHEDULED BY THE CITY TO BE [03:15:01] LOCATED WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE WORK OF THE PROJECT AT LAMBERT BEACH. UM, THAT'S YOUR TIME, MA'AM. IF I MAY JUST FINISH THIS ONE SENTENCE, AND THAT IS TO SAY THAT CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THIS PARK, ADINA DE ZAVALA WAS SAVING THE ALAMO IN 1908, RIGHT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THIS PARK WAS BEING PLANNED AND BUILT. AND EVERYBODY PROBABLY LAUGHED AT ADINA DE ZAVALA FOR SAVING THAT PILE OF ROCKS DOWNTOWN THAT WE CALL THE ALAMO. WE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND THAT IT WAS AN IRREPLACEABLE RESOURCE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE COUNTRY, FOR OUR HEARTS. THANK YOU. AND I WANT ALL OF US TO KEEP THAT IMAGE OF THE ALAMO. REMEMBER THE ALAMO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THESE TREES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LUCY WILSON, FOLLOWED BY SUSAN STR. LUCY WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. CHRIS COLLUM HAS YIELDED HIS TIME. IS CHRIS HERE? SLIDE 18. OKAY. MY NAME IS LUCY WILSON. I LIVE AT ONE 30 MAGNOLIA DRIVE. WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR, IT WAS EVIDENT THAT THE PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS HAD PLANNED TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD BEFORE THE PUBLIC COULD PROVIDE INPUT, BUT THINGS CHANGED AFTER THAT MEETING. UH, AFTER HEARING CONCERNS FROM THEIR CONSTITUENTS, COUNCILMAN BRAVO AND MCKEE RODRIGUEZ REQUESTED A GUIDED TOUR OF THE AREA TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THE PLANS INCLUDING THE TREE REMOVAL. SEVERAL OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD SERVED ON THE 2017 BOND COMMITTEE WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY HAD NOT BEEN INFORMED OF THE MASSIVE TREE MOVEMENT REMOVAL AS PART OF THE PROJECT. THE REPRESENTATION TO THIS BODY THAT A FULSOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OCCURRED AND THAT SIGNIFICANT DESIGN CHANGES OCCURRED AS A RESULT IS A VAST OVERSTATEMENT. JUST BEFORE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT INITIATED A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS AT THE WITTY MUSEUM TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT, THEY FORMED THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK STAKEHOLDER ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AT THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH I ATTENDED AS REPRESENTATIVE OF RIVER ROAD. IT WAS EVIDENT THAT THE GROUP HAD BEEN HASTILY HASTILY SUMMONED TO SERVE AS A PUBLIC INPUT MECHANISM FOR DECISIONS REGARDING PARK PROJECTS. FIVE NEARBY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS WERE INCLUDED ALONG WITH ORGANIZATIONS CONNECTED TO THE PARK AND RIVER. NO FUTURE MEETINGS HAD BEEN PLANNED UNTIL A NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENT REQUESTED THAT THE GROUP MEET TO CRITIQUE THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING. AT THAT MEETING, THE GROUP REC CRITICIZED THE PROCESS THAT LIMITED PUBLIC DISCUSSION. THUS ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETING WAS ADDED TO THE SCHEDULE AT THE WITTY. THE GROUP RECENTLY WAS SUMMED AGAIN TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE FINAL PUBLIC MEETING. THE STATEMENT THAT SIGNIFICANT DESIGN CHANGES OCCURRED IS INCORRECT. THE REDUCTION IN TREES BEING REMOVED IS MISLEADING AS FAR AS THE IMPACT TREE REMOVAL WILL HAVE ON THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL TREE IS BEING SAVED AT THE SITE. 69 ARE BEING REMOVED. THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE 70 TREES IS REDUCED DOWN TO 48. BY MOVING 21 OF THE TREES TO ANOTHER LOCATION AT EVERY PUBLIC MEETING, THE PUBLIC ASKS TO SEE THE DESIGN PLANS THAT MADE SO MUCH DESTRUCTION NECESSARY. AT EVERY MEETING, THE CITY REFUSED TO PRODUCE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THESE WERE THE PLANS ON WHICH THE CITY'S INDEPENDENT ARBORISTS HAD RELIED. BUT AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WE WERE UNABLE TO SEE THEM ONLY ON JANUARY THE 14TH WEEKS AFTER FILING THEM WITH THE T H C DID THE CITY PUBLISH ITS CONSTRUCTION PLANS? ONLY THAT DID IT BECOME APPARENT WHY THE CITY NEEDED TO DESTROY SO MANY TREES? SIMPLE AND THE REASON SIMPLE EASE OF CONSTRUCTION AND LAST OF CREATIVITY. THIS WAS FAR TOO LATE TO HAVE MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION OF ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS. WHEN 69 TREES, SIX BEING HERITAGE TREES ARE REMOVED FROM LAMBERT BEACH, THE LANDSCAPE WILL CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. NO LONGER WILL THE PUBLIC RECOGNIZE IT AS THE PARK THAT THEY HAVE KNOWN MOST OF THEIR LIVES. AS THESE TREES DISAPPEAR, PEOPLE WILL ASK, HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SUSAN STR FOLLOWED BY VINCE MICHAEL. SUSAN RECEIVED SIX MINUTES. BOTH JIM SMITH AND BARBARA WOOD HOWELL HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. HI, MY NAME IS SUSAN STR AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF RIVER ROAD IN SAN ANTONIO. I AM A BATTING CLEANUP HERE FOR [03:20:01] OUR RIVER ROAD COMMITTEE. AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE KNOW YOU'RE TIRED. WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A YEAR, AND WE'RE TIRED TOO. WE, WE HAVE ALL BEEN AT THIS FOR A YEAR AND I HAVE MANY NEW FRIENDS. AS A RESULT OF THIS, THIS PROCESS, NOT ONLY AMONG MY NEIGHBORS, BUT ALSO ACROSS THE CITY. IN OPPOSING THIS PROJECT, WE'VE SPENT NIGHTS POURING OVER HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS, DAYS, WORKING WITH OUR VOLUNTEER ENGINEERS AND ARBORISTS. WE'VE WALKED THE SITE, WE'VE STUDIED THE CODES, WE'VE MADE POWERPOINTS. WE'VE TAKEN TIME OFF OF WORK TO GO TO AUSTIN AND MEET WITH THE CITY. UH, AND WE KNOW THAT YOU'VE ALSO SPENT HOURS LOOKING AT THE CITY'S PROPOSAL AND VISITING THE SITE, REVIEWING THE U D C AND SECTION 1 0 6 AND LIKE US, YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY, THE CITY WANTS TO DO, WHY THEY WANNA DO IT, AND WHY THEY HAVE TO TAKE SO MANY TREES OUT TO GET THEIR PLAN ACCOMPLISHED. OVER A YEAR AGO, THIS COMMISSION MADE SPECIFIC REQUESTS AND THE CITY MADE PROMISES, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES AND THEY WOULD CONSIDER EVERY TREE AS REQUIRED BY THE U D C. INSTEAD, WE GOT DEMOLITION OF OUR SOULS BY ENDLESS AND USELESS PUBLIC MEETINGS. WE ASKED FOR PLANS. THEY DEMURRED, WE PROVIDED ALTERNATIVES. THEY CAME UP WITH EVER MORE FARFETCHED REASONS AS TO WHY OUR ALTERNATIVES WOULDN'T WORK. AT THE END OF THE DAY, DESPITE THE CITY'S CLAIMS, THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, AS YOU'VE HEARD, RESULTED IN NO CHANGE TO THE NUMBER OF HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED IN PLACE ON THE KEY AREA OF LAMBERT BEACH. SO YES, WE ARE ALL TIRED, BUT WE CANNOT GIVE UP THIS FIGHT. WE ARE TIRED, BUT WE'RE REALLY TIRED OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO. SLIDE INTO MEDIOCRITY FOR SHORTCUTS, EASE OF CONSTRUCTION. WE'RE TIRED OF THEIR CONCLUSORY STATEMENTS THAT THEY MAKE WITHOUT EVIDENCE LIKE THE T H C WON'T LET US DO IT, OR IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE OR WE DON'T THINK IT WILL WORK, OR OSHA WON'T PERMIT IT. AND BELIEVE ME, I AM TIRED OF TALKING TO OSHA ABOUT TRENCH WIDTH, WHICH I DID LAST NIGHT AND THIS MORNING. UM, OSHA KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT A FOUR FOOT MINIMUM TRENCH WIDTH THAT I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT. UH, OUR DESIGN DOES NOT EVEN REQUIRE A TRENCH TO BE BUILT. IF IT DID, IT WOULD BE NARROW AND YOU WOULD DROP IN A SLAB OF A SPANDREL WALL. SO, AND IRONICALLY, THE ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD THE MOST OF IS, OH, WE THINK THE TREES WON'T SURVIVE ANYWAY. SURVIVE. WHAT? I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT IS CERTAIN IS THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO SURVIVE IF YOU PREEMPTIVELY CUT THEM DOWN. LET'S GIVE THE TREES A CHANCE. LET'S COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THAT GIVES THE TREES A FIGHTING CHANCE TO SURVIVE. WE'VE PROVIDED THAT ALTERNATIVE AND WE CAN DO IT. SO ONE OF OUR ENGINEERS, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN HIS LETTER, MR. CRUZ SAYS, AND HE HAS MET WITH THE CITY MULTIPLE TIMES. HE'S WALKED THE SITE, HE'S, UH, COME UP WITH A DESIGN. HE SAYS, PRESERVATION IS HARD WORK, BUT THIS ISN'T AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM. THIS IS JUST A PROBLEM OF WILL. THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH ENERGY. THIS IS A PROBLEM OF WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL DO NOT REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY IS SO DUG IN ANOTHER PUN TO ITS POSITION. BUT THESE ARE THE STAKES. I JUST WANNA POINT THIS OUT. YOU KNOW, MR. KINDER SAID EARLIER AND, AND MS. SULLIVAN, YOU KNOW, CORRECTED HIM. HE SAID THE TREES GREW UP OVER TIME AFTER THE WALLS WERE BUILT. NO, THEY DID NOT. THAT SLIDE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT WHEN LAMBERT BEACH WAS AT ITS HEIGHT IN THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES, THOSE TREES WERE THERE. YOU, IF YOU BLOW UP THAT IMAGE, YOU WILL SEE THOSE TREES FUL GROWN, MATURE TREES ABOVE THE WALLS. SO THOSE TREES WERE ALREADY THERE WHEN THOSE WALLS WENT IN. THAT IS THE HISTORICAL CULTURAL LANDSCAPE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OVER THERE ON THE LEFT. THAT'S THE CURRENT HISTORICAL VIEW SHED OF THE PUMPHOUSE FROM THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. THAT'S A HERITAGE JOKE. IT'S A GORGEOUS OAK. IT'S AN IRREPLACEABLE OAK. THAT VIEW SHED IS IRREPLACEABLE. IF THAT TREE GOES DOWN, WE WILL NEVER HAVE THAT VIEW SHED AGAIN. AND THEN DOWN ON THE BOTTOM, IF YOU COULD RAISE THE SLIDE, PLEASE. THAT IS THE DESIGN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. I MEAN, IT IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU GASPED. NO TREES ON THE RIVER BANK AND NO WALL THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD ANY TREES FOREVER INTO THE FUTURE AS LONG AS THOSE WALLS ARE THERE. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THAT IS THE IRRE IRREVOCABLE DAMAGE TO THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. CAN I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? SO IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT THAT [03:25:01] THE T H C, CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? SORRY. SO THESE ARE THE LETTERS THAT YOU RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. AND I HOPE THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS WILL SEE FIT TO CORRECT THEIR LETTERS, BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THEY RELY ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED THAT IS NOT CORRECT, SUCH THAT 35 ADDITIONAL TREES ARE BEING SAVED. SO A PRO THAT'S INCORRECT, THAT LANGUAGE, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AS MR. GUTIERREZ WILL TELL YOU LATER TODAY IN A VOICEMAIL, SHOULD START WITH A PROPER STIPULATION TO THE DESIGN TEAM. YOU BUILD THE WALLS AND YOU SAVE THE TREES. YOU BUILD A WALL THAT CAN SUPPORT NEW SHADE TREES. WE DON'T START WITH FOR REASONS, STILL UNKNOWN. AN INSTRUCTION THAT THERE WILL BE NO TREES WITHIN 15 FEET OF THE WALL. AS AN ASIDE, CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVES DOES ALSO NOT VOID THE PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT. AS MR. KINDER SAID, IT'S JUST OUTSIDE THAT AGREEMENT. A PROJECT OF THIS IMPORTANCE IS OUTSIDE THAT AGREEMENT IN ANY CASE, WHICH IS ONLY FOR MAINTENANCE AND STABILIZATION, NOT RECONSTRUCTION. SO I'LL LET YOU GO, BUT HERE, I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE YOU WITH THESE TWO, AND YOU'LL GET A COPY AT THIS PRESENTATION. UM, BUT AT THE TOP IS A QUOTE WHEN MR. MANKEY WAS BURIED AND IT TALKS ABOUT HIS LOVE OF THE TREES. HE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST COMMISSIONER OF THE, OF THE PARKS. AND IT SAYS THAT THE GRAND OLD PECANS THAT LIFT THEIR GIANT ARMS HEAVEN WERE THE VENERABLE OAKS WITH THEIR TRAIL. MOSSY VESTMENTS WERE ALL DEAR TO THE HEART OF MANKEY. 10 YEARS LATER, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS NEWS IS LAMENTING THE LOSS OF TREES IN THE PARK. AND IT CONCLUDES THAT SAID, UNTIL THE OTHER DAY, WE HAVE PRACTICALLY ALL THE NOBLE PECANS AND OAK TREES LEFT TO US IN TRUST. BUT MANY OF THEM HAVE DIED OR ARE DYING IN BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. WE ARE, BUT CUSTODIANS HAVE WE THE RIGHT TO COMPLACENTLY CONTINUE ON OUR WAY WHILE EVERY DAY IS HASTENING THE END OF THE HERITAGE ENTRUSTED TO OUR KEEPING. WHAT ACCOUNT WILL WE RENDER TO OUR CHILDREN AND OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN? AND THAT IS THE CHALLENGE I WANNA LEAVE YOU WITH. WE HAVE TREES THANKS TO OUR PREDECESSORS. WE HAVE MAJESTIC TREES IN BACK RIDGE PARK. LET'S NOT SACRIFICE THEM NEEDLESSLY FOR A POORLY DESIGNED PROJECT. WE DO NOT NEED TO DO THAT. WE PROVIDED YOU WITH ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT SAY WE DO NOT NEED TO SACRIFICE THE TREES. WE HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER THOSE. WE HOPE YOU'LL THINK ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF LUKI AND RAY LAMBERT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS DECISION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. VINCE MICHAEL, FOLLOWED BY KATHY ROSE. VINCE WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES. I WON'T, I WON'T NEED IT ALL. UH, MY NAME, EXCUSE ME. MY NAME IS VINCE MICHAEL. I'M EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO. WE HAVE, UH, SUPPORTED THE PROPOSAL TO RESTORE THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS AT LAMBERT BEACH AND THE HOUSE, WHICH IS OUR TRICENTENNIAL PROJECT. WE ARE DONATING MONEY TO THE RESTORATION OF THE PUMP HOUSE. WE FEEL THAT THE VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPLORED OVER THE LAST YEAR HAVE RESULTED IN A VERY GOOD PLAN AND WE SUPPORT IT AND URGE YOU TO SUPPORT IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, WE'LL ASK THAT EVERYONE BE POLITE TO EVERY SPEAKER. PLEASE, PLEASE. MAY WE HAVE ORDER. OKAY. KATHY RHODES, UM, FOLLOWED BY SARAH LUCY. UM, SARAH LUCY, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO SPEAK. YOU ALSO LEFT A VOICEMAIL AND AS YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DO BOTH. SO KATHY, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. VERY QUICKLY. I'M KATHY RHODES, PRESIDENT OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, AND I'M HERE TO SAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THOSE MEMBERS, WE STRONGLY SUPPORT WHAT THE CITY IS DOING AND THE BRACKRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. SARAH, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? YES. OKAY. SARAH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY TRICIA AND I CAN'T MAKE OUT THE LAST NAME. I DON'T SPELL WELL. POTS, POTS, POTS . HI EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS SARAH LUCY AND I CAME TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. UM, I DO HAVE A COMMUNITY RESOURCE GROUP THAT ESTABLISHED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, AND A LOT OF OUR CITY FOUND GROCERIES THROUGH THAT. AND IT HAS BECOME A HUB FOR THE CITY. UM, IT IS CALLED STREET NEWS ESSAY. IT HAS REACHED OVER 98,000 SANTON. AND MY BIG POINT WAS WOULD BE, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN ANY OF THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT CUTTING THE TREES DOWN IS WRONG. AND I THINK THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT WORKS CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WORKS AT A RESTAURANT WAITING ON TABLES DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO EVEN KNOW ABOUT THESE THINGS. UM, IF YOU HAD SEVEN MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THIS TO, AND YOU SAID THAT YOU REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, NOBODY FROM THIS, ANY OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS REACHED OUT ON MY GROUP TO NOTIFY ANYBODY. UM, [03:30:02] NOT BEING AN EXPERT, I DO KNOW THAT THIS IS IGNORANT AT A TIME WHERE WE ARE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY TO PRESERVE OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR CLIMATE'S GETTING WORSE. UM, AND THE THE TREES HAVE MORE HISTORICAL VALUE THAN ANY WALL OR ANY BRICK THAT COULD BE IN THAT AREA. UM, THEY ARE PRECIOUS, THEY ARE SACRED, AND THIS IS ABUSE OF POWER. AND THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK IS THIS IS, UM, GREED AND ABUSE OF POWER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TRICIA POTTS, FOLLOWED BY GREGORY GARCIA. IF WE CAN HAVE THE NEXT SPEAKER READY TO GO WHEN IT'S, UM, WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED. HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND INCLUDING Y'ALL. Y'ALL TOO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THE FACT THAT THEY WERE NOT SITTING NEXT TO OR FACING EACH OTHER WAS A PROBLEM. SO I'M HERE TO JUST BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND SAY WE COULD ASK ALL OUR GRANDKIDS OR OUR KIDS TO DO A MINECRAFT VIDEO OF HOW THE CANOPY WOULD LOOK OR HOW THE BRACKEN WITCH PARK WOULD LOOK WITHOUT A CANOPY. IT, IT ISN'T HARD. IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT THERE. IF MONEY FOR REMEDIATING THE, THE TREES AND THE BUILDING OF THE WALLS NEEDS TO BE PUT IN PLACE, THEN ASK THE PUBLIC. WE'RE ALL HERE WILL, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEER. WE'LL HELP, WE'LL DO THINGS THAT ARE SIMPLER. WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY THE THINGS THAT OUR FAMILIES HAVE SPENT DECADES, MAYBE A CENTURY ENJOYING THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. HOW IT BRINGS ALL OF US TOGETHER, HOW WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES WITH YOUR FAMILIES. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES Y'ALL GO. IT'S SO SIMPLE TO DRIVE DOWN. YOU GO HILDEBRAND, YOU SEE THE FREEZE THAT'S ON, WHAT IS IT? UNIVERSITY INCARNATE WORD. YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT, YOU GO UP THE HILL, YOU GO LEFT. WE ALL KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE ENVELOPED BY THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US ALL HERE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SAY WHAT WE NEED TO SAY. BUT DON'T BE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A PARENT TO A CHILD AND LIKE, OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW GO AND DO WHATEVER IT'S THAT Y'ALL WANNA DO. LISTEN TO US. WE ARE ONE. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE, WE THINK THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU WILL LISTEN TO US, BUT WE'RE GIVING ALL OF OUR WORDS AND ALL OF OUR ADVICE, SOME OF IT DECADES OF WORTH OF EXPERIENCE TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT'S CURRENTLY SET UP IS INCORRECT. THAT MISLEADING INFORMATION IS TRULY MISLEADING INFORMATION THAT IF STUFF IS WITHHELD, WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. THANKS. OKAY, GREGORY. EXCUSE ME. GREGORY GARCIA, FOLLOWED BY AMY SMITH. GREGORY HAS TWO MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. UH, THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR, UH, ATTENDING. UM, I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION HERE TO, UH, UH, REPRESENT AN INDIGENOUS PERSPECTIVE AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CLIMATE JUSTICE. I'M A RESIDENTIAL FENCE BUILDER HERE. I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS AND I'M A VETERAN. UM, AND WE COME FROM A LONG LINE OF VETERANS AND I THINK THAT, UH, CLIMATE JUSTICE IS A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE. AND, AND 48 TREES BEING DEMOLISHED IS WAY TOO MANY. UM, IF WE COULD JUST, UH, PROTECT THE SIX ALONG THE BIG SIX SACRED TREES, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A, A PRETTY GOOD COMPROMISE POLITICALLY. BUT HONESTLY, UH, DURING COVID THESE WERE WHEN THE, THE MEETINGS WERE BEING HELD. UM, AND THE INDIGENOUS, UH, POSITION WAS NOT REPRESENTED. UH, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S BETTER DIVERSITY HERE ON THIS COMMISSION. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT AT LEAST, UH, UH, TEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, UH, INVESTIGATION ON THE PROJECT SHOULD BE HELD AND, UH, AND THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE SHOULD BE, UH, BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD BLESS TEXAS. GOD BLESS AMERICA. THANK YOU. UM, AMY SMITH, YOU INDICATED YOU WANTED TO YIELD SOME TIME TO ALICIA GARLOCK. UM, DO YOU WANT TO JUST WAIT UNTIL ALICIA SPEAKS? 'CAUSE IT'S E IT'S ALL OR NOTHING. LIKE YOU CAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SECONDS YOU CAN YIELD YOUR TWO MINUTES OR YOU CAN SPEAK FOR TWO MINUTES. MY STATEMENT IS ONLY GONNA BE LIKE A MINUTE AND SO SENTENCE. THAT'S FINE. GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR STATEMENT, BUT WE THE REMAINDER WE CAN DO THAT. YEAH. I DON'T THINK SHE WAS RELYING ON AFTER AMY WILL BE, UM, GRACE ROSE GONZALEZ. [03:35:03] WHEREVER SLAVERY IS, THEIR LIBERTY CANNOT BE AND WHERE LIBERTY IS, THEIR SLAVERY CANNOT BE ABRAHAM LINCOLN. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO SAVE A WALL WITH SO MUCH HISTORY OF RACISM ATTACHED TO IT TODAY, YOU ARE NOT JUST VOTING TO ALLOW THE CITY TO MOW DOWN AND KILL 48 AND MOVE 19 OTHER TREES, ESPECIALLY KILLING, ESSENTIALLY KILLING 67 TREES. IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU'LL BE REVIVING AN UGLY SEGREGATED PAST WHERE PEOPLE WERE SPOT UPON TIED TO TAILGATES AND DRAGGED IN THESE CITY STREETS. THE CITY'S TRUE INTENT IS SET ON RESTORING AN ALL WHITES ONLY WAY OF LIFE. THE CITY TOOK DOWN STATUES BECAUSE OF THEIR TIES WITH RACISM. SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TO KILL TREES FOR A WALL? WITH TIES TO THE SEGREGATED WHITE, BLACK, BROWN HISTORY? IF YOU VOTE TO MOW DOWN THESE TREES, YOU ARE TAKING PART IN REVIVING A SEGREGATED PAST AN AMERICAN HISTORY OF RACISM. SO PLEASE HELP STOP ALL FORMS OF SLAVERY AND FREE US FROM THIS CONTINUED CITY ATTACK ON OUR LIBERTY TO ENJOY A PURE AND HEALTHY ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND PARK. SAY NO TO MASS GENOCIDE OF OUR TREES AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GRACE ROSE, UM, FOLLOWED BY AUGUSTINE CORTEZ JR. UM, GRACE WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. NICK PENA HAS YIELDED HIS TIME. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN HARD AND LONG. UM, SO WE STARTED THIS A YEAR AGO AND, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I WAS ON THE 2017 PARKS BOND COMMITTEE AND I WILL TELL YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE THERE, THERE WAS NO TALK ABOUT REMOVING TREES. AND, UM, AND SINCE THEN I HAVE CONTINUED TO BE WITH, UM, THIS GROUP TO SAVE TREES AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IF, IF YOU CAN START OFF WITH THE FIRST. SO, UM, WE BROKE, YOU KNOW, IN IN SAN ANTONIO IN, IN JULY, 2020, WE BROKE RECORDS IN TERMS OF HEAT. WE HAD, UH, THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS OF RECORD BREAKING HEAT, AN AVERAGE HIGH OF 101. WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERING ONE TREE. WE'VE HAD GLO YOU KNOW, THESE TREES ARE ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING, CULTURAL LANDSCAPE, GRANDFATHER GRANDFATHER'S STATUS, HISTORICAL TREASURES, AND OUR CARBON DIOXIDE LEVELS ARE REACHING ALL TIME HIGHS. NEXT. SO WE START OFF IN JANUARY OF 2022. AND, UM, AT THAT MEETING WHEN WE CAME IN FRONT OF YOU, WE WERE TOLD THAT, UH, THEY HAD ALREADY GONE TO TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. THE CITY HAD, AND WE HAD FOUND OUT, NO, THAT WASN'T TRUE. UM, SO WE WERE THEN GIVEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WHICH THREE OF THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK. UM, THE FINAL MEETING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FINAL DESIGN, WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THAT ONE EITHER. THEY SAID, WELL, WE PUT IN ALL YOUR INPUT AND THIS IS WHAT WE CAME UP WITH. SO MARCH 3RD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, CONTINUED AND FOLLOWED THIS. WE HAD THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, UM, SUBMITTAL AND IT WAS TABLED. AND THEN WE HAD SET A SORT OF A PUNCHES PILOT, IF YOU WILL VOTE, WHERE THEY JUST DID NOT EVEN VOTE ON THE TREES. SO HERE WE ARE. WHY HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY? NEXT SLIDE. SO, TRANSPLANTING HERITAGE, OAK TREES, AND JUST OAK, YOU KNOW, TREES IN GENERAL. SO LIVE OAK TREES CAN BE SUCCESSFULLY TRANSPLANTED IF THEY'RE A CERTAIN HEIGHT, RIGHT? CANOPIES, UM, THAT ARE 50 FEET, A 50 FOOT CANOPY. YOU NEED TO GO DOWN 600 FEET TO MOVE THE ROOTS. THE ROOTS GO DOWN 600 FEET. SO YOU DON'T JUST SORT OF SLIDE A TREE OVER, LIKE HE SAID, YOU DON'T JUST SLIDE IT OVER. UH, BIOLOGISTS AND ARBORISTS AND MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH OAK TREES WILL TELL YOU THIS IS REALLY RISKY AND WASTEFUL EFFORT. A STUDY HAS SHOWN THAT AT THIS 593 TREES THAT WERE MOVED, 70, AT LEAST 71% OF THEM DIED. [03:40:02] OAKS HAVE A REPUTATION OF BEING HARD TO TRANSPLANT SUCCESSFULLY. SO TO TRANSPLANT AN OAK, IT'S ALREADY SEVERAL FEET TALL. YOU HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PRUNE IT NEARLY TO DEATH. AND IF IT SURVIVES, IT REALLY WILL GROW VERY SLOWLY. SO, SO THIS CONSIDERATION OF JUST TRANSPLANTING TREES IS INCREDIBLY BOGUS 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF DEAD TREES. NEXT ITEM. SO WE REALLY HAVE A, A, A REAL SOLUTION FOR YOU. ENGAGE A RIGHT ENGINEER WITH A CREATIVE DESIGN TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM, WHICH SAVES THE TREES, REBUILDS A WALL, AND PLEASES THE COMMUNITY. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. THERE IS SOLUTIONS WE SHOWED THEM TO YOU, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL WILL REALLY CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE GRANDFATHER TREES. THOSE TREES ARE HERE FOR SOME OF THEM 150 YEARS. WE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW SOME OF THE AGES BECAUSE THEY JUST KEEP SLIDING. RIGHT? ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY SLIDES. AND AS YOU HAVE SEEN, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT CORRECT. WHAT WE CAME AWAY WITH, WHAT WE STARTED WITH, THERE WAS NO SUBMISSION. THERE WAS NO SUBMISSION. I, IT, IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, UH, TO ESTABLISH ANY KIND OF TRUST. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AUGUSTINE CORTEZ JR. IS AUGUSTINE HERE? OKAY, NEXT IS ALICIA GARLOCK, FOLLOWED BY IDA AYALA. OKAY, SO ALICIA WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. UM, DANIEL ARMSTRONG AND AUGUSTINE CORTEZ HAVE YIELDED TIME. ARE YOU HERE? YES. UH, THE VIDEO, UH, DOUG TMY IS A AUTHOR, SIR. A PROFESSOR SIR, WITH THE CAMERA. WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? DANIEL ARMSTRONG TMY FROM THE OKAY. DID IS AUGUSTINE CORTEZ HERE. SO I HAVE FOUR MINUTES FOR YOU, ALICIA. OKAY. UH, DOUG TMY IS THE AUTHOR HE GAVE US. THIS VIDEO WAS MADE FOR US SPECIFICALLY TO MIC. OH, DOUG TMY MADE THIS VIDEO FOR US, OUR TREES. I'M DOUG TMY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE. AND I WANNA SAY A A FEW WORDS. IN DEFENSIVE OAKS, WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE THE OAKS FROM OUR FOREST AND FROM OUR LANDSCAPES, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST VALUABLE PLANT ECOLOGICALLY IN ALL OF NORTH AMERICA. WE'VE ALREADY LOST MORE THAN HALF OF THE OAKS THAT USED TO BE HERE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T CONTINUE. THERE ARE FOUR THINGS EVERY LANDSCAPE HAS TO ACCOMPLISH. IF WE'RE GONNA REACH A SUSTAINABLE RELATIONSHIP WITH MOTHER NATURE, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO, THEY HAVE TO SEQUESTER CARBON, THEY HAVE TO MANAGE THE WATERSHED, THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT POLLINATORS, AND THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT A FOOD WEB. IN OTHER WORDS, THE PLANTS ON THAT LANDSCAPE HAVE TO PASS ON THEIR ENERGY SO THAT WE HAVE ANIMALS TO RUN THE ECOSYSTEMS. WE DEPEND ON. OAKS ARE THE BEST PLANT FOR THREE OF THE FOUR OF THOSE, THOSE GOALS. AND THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE FOURTH. THEY SUPPORT A FOOD WEB BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST BIODIVERSITY VALUE OF ANY PLANT IN NORTH AMERICA BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPORTING MORE SPECIES. THEY SUPPORT THE, UH, WATERSHED IN A WONDERFUL WAY. 'CAUSE THEY HAVE HUGE ROOT SYSTEMS. THEY SEQUESTER MORE CARBON THAN OTHER PLANTS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DENSE AND THEY BUILD THEIR TISSUES OUT OF CARBON AND THEN PUMP THAT EXTRA CARBON INTO THE GROUND THROUGH THEIR ROOT SYSTEM. AND FINALLY, THEY ACTUALLY DO SUPPORT POLLINATORS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE WIND POLLINATED. IF YOU WATCH THE OAK CATKINS IN THE SPRING, LOTS OF POLLINATORS GO TO THOSE CATKINS AND GATHER UP THE POLLEN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT TRANSFERRING IT TO FEMALE FLOWERS. SO LOSING OAKS FOR, UH, INDISCRIMINATE REASONS IS, IS, UM, NOT A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS THE ERNA FAMILY WHO SPENT 70 EASTERS IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THE PARK IS A CULTURAL RESOURCE AS EVIDENCE OF PAST HUMAN ACTIVITY THAT INCLUDES THE LANDSCAPES ARE CULTURAL HERITAGE. CAN YOU PAUSE IT ON THAT? UH, OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE, WHICH REPRESENTS OUR HISTORY AND OUR IDENTITY, IT IS OUR SHARED BOND, OUR BELONGING TO OUR COMMUNITY, OUR BOND TO THE PAST, THE PRESENT, AND THE FUTURE. THE WORLD HERITAGE COMMUNITY COMMITTEE, SORRY, HAS AT OUR NATURAL HERITAGE TO BE A WORLD HERITAGE SITE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WE'RE WANTING TO BE. A HERITAGE SITE SAYS THAT BIODIVERSITY FLORA AND FAUNA PLANTS NEED TO BE PRESERVED AS PART OF THE WORLD HERITAGE OF MANKIND. THESE TREES ARE PART OF OUR HISTORY. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS. THE BIGGEST TREE, TREE NUMBER 1 0 1 WAS IDENTIFIED AS A WITNESS TREE BY TED EUBANKS OF AUSTIN. THAT TREE IS THE ONE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING. YOU CANNOT MOVE THAT TREE. IT'S ROOTS ARE UNDER THE RIVER. AND WHY WOULD YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, BACK IN 1940, [03:45:01] THESE, UH, W P A PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY WEREN'T THE BEST, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS OR EDUCATED OR WHATEVER, CRAFTSMEN USED WHAT WE HAD THERE AND THEY WORKED AROUND THESE TREES TO BUILD THE WALLS. THERE IS A PICTURE SOMEWHERE ONLINE THAT SHOWS THEM BUILDING THE WALL BEHIND THE JASKY PAVILION WHERE THEY HAD TWO BY FOURS BLOCKING OFF THAT TREE ROUTE. WHY CAN'T WE FIGURE THAT OUT IN 2023? IS IT BECAUSE THERE ARE ULTERIOR MOTIVES TO WANNA CUT DOWN ALL THESE TREES? COULD IT HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH MIGRATORY BIRDS THAT USE THOSE TREES, WHICH ACTUALLY AREN'T THERE ANYMORE? BUT WHY WOULD WE DESTROY THAT LANDSCAPE THAT WE CONNECT TO OUR, OUR HERITAGE? GO AHEAD. OH, SORRY. IT ENDED. BUT WILDERNESS IS NOT A LUXURY. IT'S A NECESSITY OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT. BEING OUTDOORS IS SOMETHING THAT HELPS US PEOPLE GO TO THE PARK BECAUSE IT IS COOLER THAN THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN OUR HEAT ISLAND. WE NEED EVERY TREE TO BE SAVED TO LIVE BECAUSE OF AIR QUALITY SUCKS. THAT'S WHY I CAN'T TALK. I WOULD ASK YOU TO RE RE REEVALUATE. WE CAN SAVE THOSE TREES AND SAVE THE WALLS, BUT WE JUST NEED A CHANCE TO DO THAT AND NOT DO WHAT THESE OUR CITY WANTS TO DO WITH PUBLIC OPPOSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IDA AYALA, FOLLOWED BY JOHN GR. IDA AYALA. WE RECEIVED FOUR MINUTES. TIFFANY PIPPEN HAS YIELDED HER TIME. YES. TIFFANY, ARE YOU HERE? YES. THANK YOU. IN 2005, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY CONTRACTED THE CENTRAL PARK CON CONSERVANCY FOR CONSULTATION REGARDING RE RESTORATION AND MANAGEMENT OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THE CENTRAL PARK CONSERVANCY RECOGNIZED THE VALUE OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK AS AN OPEN SPACE PARK. ENJOYED BY A BROAD SPECTRUM OF THE PUBLIC DOING A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES IN THE PARK, VERY SIMILAR TO CENTRAL PARK. THEY CONTRASTED IT TO PLANNED URBAN PARKS, WHICH TEND TO ATTRACT SPECIFIC PEOPLE FOR SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES FOR WHICH THE PARK IS PLANNED. BRACKRIDGE PARK WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A PLANNED PARK. THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY CENTRAL PARK CONSERVANCY TO OUR CONSERVATION SOCIETY WERE ONE THAT ANY WORK DONE IN THE PARK CONSIDERS THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO USES IT MOST OFTEN, AND THEN THE WAYS IN WHICH THEY USE IT. TWO, THAT TO BE ULTIMATELY SUCCESSFUL, AN ORGANIZATION MUST REPRESENT THE BROADEST AND MOST INCLUSIVE CONSTITUENCY OF THE PARK. AND THREE, THAT PARK PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT SHOULD REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF THE GENERAL PARK USER SO THAT THE ENTIRE PARK IS UTILIZED, NOT JUST SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. THE DESIGN THAT IS PLANNED FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MOST INCLUSIVE CONSTITUENCY THAT USES THE PARK. PEOPLE GO TO THE PARK FOR THE COOLING EFFECTS OF OUR HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES AS THEY ENGAGE IN THEIR ACTIVITIES. HIKING, BIKING, FISHING, AND FAMILY GATHERING AND PLAYING GAMES. THESE ARE THE REAL STAKEHOLDERS. THE CITY PUT UP FENCES AROUND PHASE ONE THAT SAY YOUR PARK. YET IN SEVEN MONTHS OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED. I HAVE PETITIONED SIGNATURES FROM 1500 PEOPLE JUST FROM WALKING THE PARK AND A CHANGE.ORG PETITION I A PETITION I CREATED AFTER PARK USERS ASKED FOR SOMETHING TO SIGN TO SAY THEY DID NOT WANT TO LOSE IMPORTANT HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES IN THEIR FAVORITE PARK. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED IF THEY ARE DEAD OR FAILING OR INVASIVE. HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANT TO SACRIFICE HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES THAT CAN NEVER BE REPLACED WITH AN UNDERSTORY TREE AS INDICATED BY THE SS W A DESIGN GROUP AND 48 TREES IS TOO MANY TREES TO JUST DISAPPEAR FROM THE HISTORIC VIEW SHED OF BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AND LET'S NOT FORGET THAT ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER, WHICH I'VE GIVEN YOU COPIES OF, THOSE WALLS WERE BUILT IN THE 1930S TO CONTROL EROSION THAT THREATENED TREES ALONG THE RIVERBANK. IT SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE THAT THE WALLS NOW HOLD MORE VALUE THAN THE TREES THEY WERE CREATED TO PROTECT. ALTHOUGH THE CITY STATES THAT CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE SITE PRESENT A SAFETY CONCERN AND PUBLIC ACCESS IS CURRENTLY RESTRICTED, THAT IS DUE TO THEIR OWN NEGLECT IN [03:50:01] MAINTAINING OUR HISTORIC PARK. THE WALLS COULD HAVE BEEN REPAIRED YEARS AGO RATHER THAN JUST FENCING THEM UP AND BOARDING THEM UP. AND ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE CLAIMED THE TREES DAMAGED THE WALLS, THERE WERE ALSO, THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN THREE MAJOR FLOODS THAT FLOWED BETWEEN THOSE WALLS. OUR HERITAGE AND SIGNIFICANT TREES ARE AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OF THE HISTORIC LANDSCAPE. IF THERE HAD BEEN NO FOREST, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN NO PARK AS IT STATES IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. THESE ROADS HAVE BEEN OPENED THROUGH THE GENS FOREST UPON A PLAN TO GIVE THE MOST PLEASURE AND VARIETY OF SCENERY. THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF THE PARK, A LANDSCAPE OF SHADE TREES ALONG THE RIVER THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE INDIGENOUS WHO FIRST OCCUPIED THIS LAND BEFORE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO EVEN EXISTED. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT TO MODERNIZE THIS OLD PARK, HOWEVER, ISN'T OLD. WHAT MAKES IT HISTORIC? EVEN THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT ON BRACKRIDGE PARK STATES THAT DESIGN EFFORT SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON PRESERVING AND MAINTAINING ITS DISTINCTIVE, HOMEGROWN REGIONAL CHARACTER. AND AS ONE DALLAS MAN TOLD ME YESTERDAY, PEOPLE COME TO SAN ANTONIO FOR ITS HISTORY. IF THEY WANTED MODERN, THEY COULD STAY HOME IN DALLAS OR HOUSTON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. NEXT IS JOHN BRIELLE, FOLLOWED BY JAMES SUTHERLAND. JOHN WILL HAVE, UH, TWO MINUTES. HI, MY NAME IS JOHN GRAL. I AM A LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS LAW AND RELIGION CLINIC. UH, WE HAVE BEEN MONITORING THE PROPOSED PLAN AND THE POTENTIAL THAT IT HAS TO VIOLATE THE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PERSONS UNDER THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, THE STATE CONSTITUTION AND STATE STATUTES. UM, MY STUDENT, JAMES SUTHERLAND WILL GIVE A MORE DETAILED EXPLANATION, BUT YOU'VE HEARD THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE DEVELOPER, UM, STATE THAT HE NEEDS TO APPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE LAWS THAT INCLUDES THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. UH, YOU'LL SEE FROM THE PROS AND CONS THAT WERE LISTED, THEY DID NOT CONSIDER THE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PERSONS. UM, AND YOU ALSO HEARD THAT MULTIPLE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN CREATED THAT WOULD AVOID THE DAMAGE TO THE TREES AND THE BIRDS THAT ARE SACRED TO PERSONS. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO ONE LINE FROM A RECENT SUPREME COURT DECISION, FULTON V PHILADELPHIA, THE CHIEF JUSTICE SAID THAT SO LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT CAN ACHIEVE ITS INTERESTS IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT BURDEN RELIGION, IT MUST DO SO. UM, SO THE CLINIC WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH Y'ALL TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIND A WAY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AND PRACTICES OF INTERESTED PERSONS. UM, WE WOULD ALSO BE PREPARED TO LITIGATE IF NECESSARY, UM, ALTHOUGH THAT IS A MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE ONEROUS PROCESS THAT WE DON'T THINK IS NECESSARY. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO JUST PUT IN A, A WRITTEN STATEMENT, MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND MAKE CLEAR THAT THE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION ARE PROTECTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK NEXT IS JAMES SUTHERLAND, FOLLOWED BY UM, ANAS GARCIA. SO JAMES WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. BRIAN GORDON AND MARCO AYALA HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME. ARE YOU BOTH HERE? YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS JAMES SUTHERLAND AND I'M ALSO HERE ON BEHALF OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SCHOOL OF LAW'S LAW AND RELIGION CLINIC. THE CITY'S PROPOSED ACTIONS IN CUTTING DOWN THESE TREES WILL VIOLATE THE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF TRIBES AND TRIBAL MEMBERS. THEY VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT'S FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE, THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION'S RIGHT TO WORSHIP CLAUSE, THE TEXAS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT, AND ITS FEDERAL COUNTERPART, THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT. BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND THE Y IGUANA RIVER ARE SACRED SITES TO SEVERAL FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED AND UNRECOGNIZED NATIVE TRIBES, INCLUDING THE COMANCHE LIP AND APACHE AND KUAN. THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK'S OWN CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT RECOGNIZES THAT QUOTE, IT WAS PART OF A RITUAL MIGRATORY ROUTE FOR INDIGENOUS AMERICANS AND HAS RICH INDIGENOUS HISTORY. AND SEVERAL TRIBES STILL REGULARLY CONDUCT RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES THERE CENTRAL TO THESE TRIBES. RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES ARE THE TREES AND THE BIRDS THAT NEST IN THE TREES, PARTICULARLY THE DOUBLE CRESTED CORAN. THEY PLAY A PIVOTAL ROLE IN THE TRIBE'S CREATION STORIES. AND WITHOUT THEIR PRESENCE, THE INDIGENOUS TRIBES ARE UNABLE TO CONDUCT THEIR RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES IN THE SAME MANNER THAT THEIR ANCESTORS DID. IF THESE TREES ARE REMOVED, THE BIRDS THAT ARE SACRED TO THESE TRIBES WILL HAVE NOWHERE TO NEST AND WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THIS REGION. AND WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF THE DOUBLE CRESTED CORAN TRIBAL MEMBERS CANNOT CONDUCT THEIR MIDNIGHT WATER CEREMONIES AND BLESSINGS WITH SEVERAL OF THE CENTRAL PIECES TO THESE CEREMONIES, DESTROYED OR DISPLACED, THEIR RELIGIOUS PRACTICES WILL BE SUBSTANTIALLY BURDENED. [03:55:01] HOWEVER, THE TEXAS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT AND ITS FEDERAL COUNTERPART ARE CLEAR ON THIS POINT. A GOVERNMENT AGENCY MAY NOT SUBSTANTIALLY BURDEN A PERSON'S FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT PROVING THAT IT HAS A COMPELLING GOVERNMENT INTEREST, AND THAT IT IS EMPLOYING THE LEAST RELIGIOUSLY RESTRICTIVE MEANS OF FURTHERING THAT INTEREST. THE CITY'S CURRENT PROPOSAL FALLS SHORT ON BOTH OF THESE FRONTS. IT HAS FAILED TO ASSERT A COMPELLING GOVERNMENT INTEREST AND HAS FAILED TO USE THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE MEANS AVAILABLE. THE TEXAS AND US SUPREME COURTS HAVE CLARIFIED THAT RELIGIOUS EXERCISE IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT THAT SHOULD ONLY BE INFRINGED UPON TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE HIGHEST ORDER, AND TO AVOID THE GRAVEST ABUSES, ENDANGERING PARAMOUNT INTERESTS. THE CITY'S STATED INTEREST IN PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE FORM, INTEGRITY AND MATERIALS OF THE HISTORIC STONE WALLS AND PUMPHOUSE FALLS WELL SHORT OF THIS COMPELLING INTER STANDARD. GIVEN THE CHOICE BETWEEN CITIZENS' FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION'S ESSENTIAL CEREMONY AND THE APPEARANCE OF SOME WALLS THAT ARE NOT EVEN 100 YEARS OLD, THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR. RELIGION WINS, NOR HAS THE CITY ARTICULATED HOW THE PRESENCE OF THESE SACRED BIRDS ENDANGERS AND INTEREST OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. SEVERAL COURTS HAVE EXPLAINED THAT VAGUE ASSERTIONS OF MAINTAINING PUBLIC SAFETY AND PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF A PUBLIC SPACE FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF ITS CITIZENS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO OVERCOME THE STRICTURES THAT TEXAS REFERER PUTS ON GOVERNMENT ACTIONS. YET THE CITY ONLY PROVIDES SUCH VAGUE ASSERTIONS THAT THESE BIRDS POSE A PUBLIC NUISANCE. THE US SUPREME COURT HAS CONSISTENTLY REQUIRED THE GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE SPECIFIC EVIDENCE OF A SPECIFIC PROBLEM. COURTS DID NOT SIMPLY DEFER TO A GOVERNMENT'S DETERMINATION. ONCE AGAIN, THE CITY HAS NO COMPELLING INTEREST IN SUBSTANTIALLY BURDEN IN THESE TRIBES. FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION. EVEN IF IT DID HAVE SUCH A COMPELLING INTEREST, THE CITY HAS FAILED TO USE THE LEAST RELIGIOUSLY RESTRICTIVE MEANS NECESSARY. JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER SUGGESTED HE COULD MAKE THE NEEDED MODIFICATIONS TO THE PARK'S INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT DESTROYING THE TREES. IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, THE CITY HAS THE LEGAL OBLIGATION TO PURSUE THESE ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF ACCOMPLISHING THEIR GOAL. BUT THE CITY'S APPROACH ALSO VIOLATES FEDERAL AND STATE LAW BY PREFERRING SECULAR INTERESTS TO THE SINCERE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF THESE TRIBES. WHEN THE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HIGHWAY CAME ACROSS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES OF SPIDERS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY AND STATE TOOK INCREDIBLE STEPS TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SPIDER. IT TURNED A PROPOSED UNDERPASS INTO AN OVERPASS AND ADDED $30 MILLION TO THE PROJECT. IF THESE BIRDS AND TREES WERE ENDANGERED SPECIES, THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE BEEN ALTERED. THE FIRST AMENDMENT, QUOTE, PROHIBITS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FROM TREATING RELIGIOUS EXERCISES WORSE THAN COMPARABLE SECULAR ACTIVITIES. UNLESS THE GOVERNMENT DEMONSTRATES A COMPELLING INTEREST AND THAT IT IS USING THE LEAST RELIGIOUSLY RESTRICTIVE MEANS AVAILABLE, WHICH AS I'VE EXPLAINED IT, CANNOT. THE LAW AND RELIGION CLINIC BELIEVES THAT THE CITY'S ACTIONS ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL UNDER BOTH THE TEXAS AND US CONSTITUTIONS AND VIOLATES SEVERAL STATUTORY PROTECTIONS FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMITTEE SHOULD REFUSE TO RECOMMEND A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE REMOVAL OF THESE TREES. SUCH AN APPROACH WOULD RESPECT OUR COUNTRY'S CONSTITUTION AND WOULD SAVE TAXPAYERS THE CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE THAT THEY WOULD INCUR DEFENDING THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACTION IN COURT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANSIA GARCIA. AND SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY ANGELA PARDO AND . OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO, UM, ANGELA AND SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY, UM, DIANA, UH, OH, TWO SEPARATE. IT'S AN INITIAL, UM, REGAS. ANGELA, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. THERE SHOULD BE A VIDEO. THERE'S A VIDEO. PARDON? MM-HMM. . THERE SHOULD BE A VIDEO. IS THAT RIGHT? THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. ANGELA, WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? JAY. MY NAME IS ANGELA PARDO. THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF BRACKEN RIDGE PARK WITH THE FENCES UP. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PARK HAVE THESE TYPES OF EFFORTS EVER BEEN NEEDED. UM, AND TO OCCUR DURING EASTER WEEKEND, TO ME, IS CLEARLY, UH, AN ATTEMPT TO FLEX POWER BY THE CITY. UM, IT'S A SHAME TO BRING MY KIDS TO THIS PARK LIKE THIS. WHAT IS THIS FOR? UM, AT THE TH UM, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION MEETING, I DON'T SEE THE POINT WHEN ONE OF THE, THE MEMBERS IS, UH, ON THE BOARD WITH THE ZOO, WHICH IS HEAVILY INFLUENCED AND INVOLVED WITH, [04:00:01] WITH THIS, UM, THIS IDEA, THIS DESIGN. PLEASE LET THE RACIST HISTORY FALL AWAY. PLEASE DON'T, DON'T ATTEMPT TO MOVE ANY OF THESE HERITAGE TREES. I'M NOT TOO PROUD TO BEG. PLEASE CONSIDER THE SEVEN GENERATIONS BEFORE US THAT LOVED THIS PARK AS THE WAY IT IS. PLEASE HONOR THOSE GENERATIONS AND PLEASE CONSIDER THE GENERATIONS COMING. THE SEVEN GENERATIONS COMING. WE NEED THE VOLUME ON. YEAH. AND THESE ARE EXPLOSIVES. THEY'RE SHOOTING AT OUR PARK, SO HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY, IT'S, IT'S A SHAME. IT'S A SHAME, REALLY. MY CHILDREN SIX AND SEVEN, UM, CAN SEE HOW THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. THERE ARE LOTS OF TALENT AND OTHER ENGINEERS, LOOK, LOOK AT THAT RIGHT THERE. THIS IS UNNECESSARY. PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DIANA EUREKA, FOLLOWED BY ANTONIO DIAZ. HELLO, MY NAME IS DIANA OGA. DIANA FLORES REGA. UH, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT, UH, AND Y'ALL TO GETTING YOU TO TRY TO VOTE NO AGAINST KNOCKING DOWN THESE TREES. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HANDS, HANDS RAISED UP FROM Y'ALL. HOW MANY OF Y'ALL HAVE PLANTED A A, A TREE? HOW MANY? HOW MANY? 3, 4, 5. HOW ABOUT OVER HERE, . NOW TELL ME, HOW MANY OF YOUR CHILDREN PLANTED A TREE WITH YOU AROUND? HOW ABOUT ANY GRANDKIDS? NOW, HAVE YOU EVER, UH, HAD A PICNIC BY A TREE AT THE BRACK AT BRACKEN BRIDGE? AND HAVE YOU EVER GOT ENGAGED BY A TREE? DID YOU MEET SOMEBODY AS YOU WERE, UH, STROLLING ALONG OR RUNNING OR ANYTHING AT BRACK BY A TREE? THESE ARE MEMORIES THAT THE TREES BRING TO YOU. I REMEMBER MY GRANDMA, SHE, UH, ONE TIME WE WENT TO BRAG WITH MY PARENTS AND MY GRANDMA SAID, HEY, YOU SEE THAT ACORN RIGHT THERE? YOU COULD GET IT AND PLANT IT AND IT'LL GROW BY THE TIME WHEN YOU'RE BIG. LET'S SEE HOW, HOW BIG IT GROWS. AND THEN, UH, I GO, OH, OKAY. AND I WENT AND I PLANTED IT. IT'S BIG. I'M 63 YEARS OLD. IT'S A BIG TREE. SHE HAD A TREE THERE TOO, MA'AM. THAT'S YOUR TIME, MA'AM. IF YOU WANNA WRAP UPAM, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE FOR Y'ALL TO PLEASE CONSIDER THESE TREES. YEAH, YOU COULD. UH, I, I KNOW SOME STATES THAT HAVE, UH, SOME DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY MADE, YOU KNOW, AROUND TREES, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY GOT ROADS, THEY GOT AROUND AROUND THE BIG TREES. REAL BIG TREES. HAVE Y'ALL GONE TO THOSE STATES? I HAVEN'T, BUT I SEEN IT ON TV. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE'LL NEED TO MOVE ON. THANK YOU. THEY COULD SAVE THESE TREES. AND TONY A DIAZ FOLLOWED BY, UM, JENNIFER FALCON. UM, JENNIFER, YOU ALSO YIELDED TIME TO JAMES SUTHERLAND, BUT HE HAD THREE OTHER PEOPLE THAT DID THAT. SO I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO SPEAK IF YOU'D LIKE TO. OKAY. SO AFTER ANTONIO WILL BE, UM, MOSES HOLLANDER. I'M ANTONIO DIAZ, THE, UH, SPOKESPERSON FOR TEXAS INDIGENOUS COUNCIL. AND I AM PAM. MY PEOPLE HAVE [04:05:01] BEEN HERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YANA, THE RIVER. THAT WE'RE FORBIDDEN TO PRACTICE OUR SPIRITUAL WAYS NOW BECAUSE OF MODERN TIMES, ROADS, CIVILIZATIONS, WALLS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AROUND THERE. INCARNATE WORD. WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO GO TO OUR SACRED BLUE HOLE, WHICH WAS FORBIDDEN TO AT LEAST THE GROUP I AM ACTIVE WITH FROM PARTICIPATING IN YEARS AGO. I WAS TELLING ALICIA HERE THAT I'VE KIND OF GIVEN UP ON SPEAKING UP, GIVEN UP ON MY ACTIVISM AS AN INDIGENOUS PERSON BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TO, HOPEFULLY YOU WILL LISTEN TODAY. THERE ARE TWO, UH, PROFESSORS HERE OF LAW THAT SAID A LOT OR IN A BETTER WAY THAN WHAT I'M SPEAKING RIGHT NOW. BUT IT IS BEEN THAT I, IF, IF THOSE WALLS AS, AS I UNDERSTOOD FROM THESE PREVIOUS GREAT PRESENTATIONS WERE ORIGINALLY BUILT TO PROTECT THE TREES FROM GROUND EROSION, WHAT, WHY ARE THEY BEING CUT NOW? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, TO ME THAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT PROTECT THE WALL THAT WAS PLACED THERE TO PROTECT THE TREE, YET CUT THE TREE DOWN. UH, MY, MY WAY OF THINKING, OR THE WAY I WAS BROUGHT UP, IS TO MAKE COMMON SENSE. WE, WE LEARNED HOW TO HUNT BY FOLLOWING THE ANIMALS AND, AND, AND SAW HOW THEY, THEY ACTED TOWARDS THINGS AROUND THEM. AND TREES ARE VITAL FOR THE SURVIVAL, NOT JUST OF THE ANIMALS. WE'RE ANIMALS TOO. SO THEY'RE VITAL TO OUR SURVIVAL. TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE JUST ABOUT HISTORICAL BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES AND STUFF, BUT THIS IS VITAL TO US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT IS MOSES HOLLANDER FOLLOWED BY MATILDA TORRES. UH, MOSES WILL RECEIVE FOUR MINUTES. JENNIFER HOLLANDER HAS YIELDED HER TIME. HELLO, MY NAME IS MOSES HOLLANDER. I'M 12 YEARS OLD AND I GO TO THE CIRCLE SCHOOL ON PERSHING AVENUE. WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK. WE'RE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE AND VERY REGULARLY, ALMOST EVERY FRIDAY WE GO TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AND WE DON'T GO TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK TO EAT OUR LUNCHES AND HAVE PICNICS BY A WALL. WE DON'T GO TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK TO PLAY GAMES OF TAG AND THE KINDERGARTNERS DON'T GO TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK TO READ STORYBOOKS AND IMAGINE CITIES BY A WALL. WE GO THERE BECAUSE OF THE TREES. TO QUOTE THE EXACT WORDS FROM A FELLOW PUPIL OF MINE'S, LETTER TO THE COMMISSIONERS. WE LIKE THE PARK JUST THE WAY IT IS. WE LIKE THE PARK JUST AS THE TREES ARE AND JUST HOW MANY THEY ARE. THESE TREES SHOULDN'T BE CUT DOWN. THE WALL WAS BUILT TO PRESERVE THE TREES. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THE TREES ARE MUCH MORE VALUABLE ASSETS. THEY'RE JUST AS HISTORIC AND THEY PROVIDE ACTIVE LIVING POSITIVE ATTRIBUTES, HABITATS FOR THE MIGRATORY BIRDS. THEY DO SO MUCH GOOD AND THEY'RE HISTORIC. JUST AS HISTORIC AS THE WALL, IF NOT MORE. SO PLEASE DON'T CUT DOWN THE TREES. THANK YOU. NA TORRES. UM, AND SHE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY GARY PEREZ. CAN I GIVE THESE LETTERS NOW OR AFTERWARDS? THANKS RACHEL. HELLO, MY NAME IS, UH, MATILDA TORRES. I'M A DESCENDANT, UM, OMI PAUA. AND I AM HERE. I AM HERE READING ONE OF THE OPPOSITION LETTERS OF THE COMAN NATION. AND THIS IS TO THE MAYOR NUREMBERG. THE COMAN NATION TRIBAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED BY THE LOCAL NATIVE AMERICAN GROUPS OF SAN ANTONIO, OF THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES WITHIN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. THE COMANCHE NATION HAVE STRONG TIES TO THE AREA AND STILL UPHOLD THE ANNUAL PILGRIMS TO GATHER MEDICINE ALONG THE RIO GRANDE RIVER. OUR TRIBAL CITIZENS CONSIDER THIS AREA TO BE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IN REGARDS TO THE WATER TREES AND THE MIGRATORY BIRDS. WE STILL PRACTICE OUR RELIGIOUS CEREMONIES, WHICH DOES IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIRDS. OUR NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH SONG SPEAKS ABOUT THE RIVER OF YANA, AND MANY TRIBES [04:10:01] ALSO UPHOLD THESE SONGS. TODAY WE STAND IN SUPPORT AGAINST THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK TREE REMOVAL AND UNDERSTAND THE DAMAGE OF THE SACRED TREES AND THE MIGRATORY BIRDS. YOU KNOW, THIS AREA WHERE LAMBER BEACH OR WHERE THESE, UH, SACRED GRANDFATHERED TREES IS ALSO DEPICTED ON A 2000 YEAR OLD ROCK ART. IT IS A PLACE WHERE WE KNOW WHERE WE STAND IN THE UNIVERSE. IF THAT MEANS ANYTHING. THAT'S WHY THOSE TREES ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT. THE BIRDS ARE PART OF THE ECOLOGY AND IT'S PART OF OUR COSMOLOGY. WE ARE DESTROYING AND MESSING WITH SOMETHING SO ANCIENT. WE HAVE LOST THE FLOW OF OUR MOTHER WATER 150 YEARS AGO AND NOW 150 YEARS LATER, WE'RE TRYING TO DEFEND WHAT'S LEFT. THOSE TREES, THOSE BIRDS ARE BEING HARASSED. WE WANT THAT VIOLENCE TO STOP AGAINST THE BIRDS, OUR SACRED WATERBIRD. WE WANT THE VIOLENCE TO STOP IN THAT PARK. THAT'S NOT THE HISTORY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED AND WE WANT AN APOLOGY TO THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, TO OUR PEOPLE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GARY PEREZ, UM, FOLLOWED BY LUAN GILLILAND JR. UM, SHE'S JILTED TIME TO ALICIA. JENNIFER, GIVE YOU HER TIME. GAVE JENNIFER FOUR MINUTES. JENNIFER, JENNIFER WAS GIVING. JENNIFER FALCON WAS GIVING TIME TO GARY. I HAVE FOUR MINUTES FOR GARY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL. MY NAME IS GARY PEREZ. I'M A FORMER BOARD MEMBER AT THE HEADWATER SANCTUARY FOR NINE YEARS. SAT ON THE BOARD, HELPED TO CREATE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT WITH A CONGREGATION OF SISTERS OF THE INCARNATE WORD, THEIR MINISTRY. I ALSO HELPED CREATE THE SECOND FLOOR LOWER PECOS EXHIBIT AT THE WHITTY MUSEUM. I WAS THE CUSTODIAN OF THE NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH LAND TRUST IN NANDO CITY, TEXAS. THE PEYOTE GARDENS WHERE I PROVIDED CULTURAL RESOURCES TO THE TRIBES PASSING THROUGH SAN ANTONIO AND THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GARDENS, TO MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE FOR CEREMONY AND FOR GATHERING PEYOTE. UH, WE, I RECENTLY PUBLISHED IN THE BULLETIN FOR THE TEXAS ARCHEOLOGICAL SOCIETY THAT THE, UH, THAT HEADWATERS OF THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, KAMAL SPRINGS, THE SAN MARCO SPRINGS AND BARNTON SPRINGS ON A 2000 YEAR OLD PIECE OF ROCK ART FURTHER DOWN RIVER FROM THE, FROM THE BLUE HOLE AT INCARNATE WORD IS A SAN ANTONIO RIVER AS IT FLOWS THROUGH BRACKEN RIDGE PARK. THERE IS, UM, BUT LET ME, LET ME GO BACK A BIT. UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE CULTURAL REPORT BY SUZANNE TURNER ASSOCIATION, UH, HAVING WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE, THE, THE FOUR FOUNTAIN SPRINGS, THE BLUE HOLE, ESPECIALLY FOUND ON THE, ON THE 2000 YEAR OLD PIECE OF ROCK ART. SHE SAYS, GIVEN THE EXISTING ARCHEOLOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE PRESENCE OF YANA DESCENDANTS IN THE CITY, FURTHER RESEARCH IS MERITED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE INDIGENOUS TRACES OF THIS LANDSCAPE. AND THAT NEVER TOOK PLACE. IF THAT EVER TOOK PLACE, MY OFFICE OR SOMEONE IN MY OFFICE WOULD'VE BEEN AT THAT MEETING. TO HELP EVERYONE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE IS TELLING US, SO THAT I'M TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, UH, UP ON THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE IN THE, IN OUR SKIES AS A CULT, AS A, CAN YOU WIDEN THAT? IS THAT POSSIBLE TO WIDEN THAT? I'LL TRY AND DO THIS AS BRIEFLY AS I CAN. NO, NO, NOT, NOT THAT WIDEN JUST IS IS THAT IT? IS THAT THE, THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO WHEN HE GOES FULL SCREEN, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE. OKAY, THEN THAT'S FINE. CAN YOU PUT THE TIME BACK UP, PLEASE? THAT'S THE CONSTELLATION OF IRINA RIGHT THERE THAT YOU SEE IN OUR SOUTHERN SKIES SLIDE. IF YOU LOOK, UH, CAN YOU BACK UP A LITTLE BIT? YOU CAN SEE THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AS IT LOOKED IN THE, IN THE 17 HUNDREDS. AND IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, THE CONTOURS OF THE RIVER IN THIS, UH, MAP HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE CONSTELLATION OF IDINA UP ON THE LEFT AND THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AS IT FLOWS THROUGH THE PARK, ARE IDENTICAL. OKAY, SLIDE HERE. HERE'S THE REMOVAL OF THAT GRAPHIC. AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE RED, THE, THE HORSESHOE SHAPE AND, AND THEN THE, THE LOOP. AND THEN IT CONTINUES ON TO MAKE AN M AND SO FORTH. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RETENTION DAM SLIDE. SO ONCE A YEAR, THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER AND THE CONSTELLATIONS OF IRINA [04:15:01] MEAT IN THE END, AT THE GULF OF MEXICO AT MIDNIGHT, UH, CONNECTING US AND OUR ANCESTORS TO THE CONSTELLATION OF ORION SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. NOW WHAT YOU HAVE IS A COMPLETE YANA, A TERRESTRIAL RIVER, AND A CELESTIAL RIVER CONNECTING US TO THE, OUR ANCESTORS. IF YOU SAW THE MOVIE COCOA AND THE BRIDGE THAT THEY WERE CROSSING, ANCESTORS WERE CROSSING BACK AND FORTH. THAT WAS IN MEXICO. THIS IS IN SAN ANTONIO SLIDE. SO THAT ARROW SHOWS THE CONSTELLATION OF IUS STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN ALONG THE HORIZON AND BELOW THE HORIZON YOU'LL SEE CONSTELLATIONS OF BIRDS. THIS IS AT MIDNIGHT AT A TIME THAT THIS ECOLOGY ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER SERVES AS A TENANT IN TODAY'S NATIVE AMERICAN CHURCH. PEYOTE CEREMONIES FROM HERE ALL THE WAY UP TO CANADA, WE STOP THE CEREMONY, WE BRING OUT THESE BIRD FEATHERS AND WE BLESS EACH OTHER WITH 'EM. YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. FOLKS SLIDE AND EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH, UM, GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH, UH, DIGNITARIES FROM SOUTH AMERICA HERE. AND I'M GIVING HER A WATER BLESSING WITH THOSE TOLL FEATHERS OUT OF A BUCKET OF WATER THAT WE SAVED FROM THE BLUE HOLE WHEN IT WAS FLOWING. THAT'S WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE. THANK YOU LUKE AND GILLILAND. UH, FOLLOWED BY JULIAN VIAL, UH, LUKE AND RECEIVED FOUR MINUTES. TERRY BREAL YIELDED HER TIME. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS. I'M LUKE AND GILLILAND JR. I'M A NATIVE SAN ANTONIO WHO GREW UP CLOSE TO RIDGE PARK AND ENJOYING STILL ALL THE GREAT MEMORIES THAT I THINK A GOOD NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE IN THIS ROOM DID. I'M ALSO HERE AS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, BRACKEN RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY. WE REPRESENT ABOUT 1500 PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER SAN ANTONIO WHO ARE ENGAGED IN, IN THIS PROJECT. UH, ABOUT 60 OF THEM HAVE CONTRIBUTED ALMOST $5 MILLION TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT THE CITY'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE 2017 BOND PROJECT. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD, BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN A PRODUCTIVE ROAD. UM, IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE THE VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY APPROVED THIS BOND. UM, AS WE, WE DID, THE CITY'S CONDUCTED SEVEN PUBLIC HEARINGS. UH, I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE DURING THEM. UM, I THINK THE CITY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF LISTENING TO ALL VOICES, ALL SUGGESTIONS. UM, THEY'VE EVEN HAD OUTSIDE PROFESSIONALS CONSIDER ALL THESE SUGGESTIONS, INCLUDING FOUR ARBORISTS, ONE OF WHOM HAS AGED THE TREES IN QUESTION. MOST OF THE TREES IN QUESTION. I THINK YOU ALL HAVE THE RESULTS OF THOSE AGINGS. UM, AS A RESULT, THIS VERY PROFESSIONAL STAFF HAS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TREES AS YOU'VE HEARD, TO BE REMOVED. AND IT'LL PLANT MANY MORE. I THINK THERE'S 217 MORE TO BE PLANTED IN THIS AREA AND IT'LL ULTIMATELY, ACCORDING TO SOME NATIONAL PARK, I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT, HOMER. UM, DATA THAT Y'ALL HAVE WILL SHOW THAT, UM, IN, IN THE FUTURE THE NEW TREE PLAN WILL SEQUESTER MORE CARBON THAN THE CURRENT ONE DOES. SO GOOD FOR THE PARK. AS A LONGTIME BOARD MEMBER OF THE NATURE CONSERVANCY HERE IN TEXAS, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT'S BEEN DONE HERE BY THE CITY AND ALSO BY THE VOICES THAT HAVE BROUGHT US TO THIS, THIS CONCLUSION. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION HAS ISSUED THE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO FORWARD. YOU OFTEN, UH, ALSO SAW WITH THE SLIDES, UM, IF I HAD ONE TO PULL UP, IT'D BE OF ALL THOSE WALLS FALLING DOWN. I HAVE WALKED ALL OVER THIS PARK SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, I GUESS FIVE YEARS AGO. AND IT IS LITERALLY FALLING APART AS WE LIKE TO SAY. IT'S BEEN LOVE TO DEATH AND IT'S IN BAD NEED OF, UH, RADICAL RENAISSANCE IN OUR OPINION. SO WE BELIEVE THE CITY'S COME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON. WE SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU HOPE YOU'LL VOTE FOR IT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. JULIAN. AL. STILL HERE. OKAY, SO NEXT WE HAVE NICK HOLLIS. UH, NICK WILL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. LYNN BOBBIT HAS YIELDED HER TIME. HE'LL BE FOLLOWED BY MIFI MOORE. I NEXT, SIR. NICK HOLS. YES, SIR. HELLO, UH, I'M NICK HOLLIS. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS FOR HEARING US TONIGHT, AND IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG DAY. UM, I AM THE, UH, CURRENT CHAIR OF THE BRACKENRIDGE CONSERVANCY AND WE HAVE OFFERED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. I WANNA EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, WE'VE BEEN, UH, QUOTED QUITE A BIT WITH OUR CULTURAL LANDSCAPE REPORT, UH, WHICH WE PAID MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR, AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN [04:20:01] CELEBRATED IN THIS COMMUNITY AS A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. AND, BUT IT SPEAKS IN THE SAME WAY THAT THIS, UM, EVENT SPEAKS TO. THERE IS A TENSION BETWEEN THE PHYSICAL WORLD AND THE NATURAL WORLD. AND THE PARK IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TREES, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE WATER, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMBINATION OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEY MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I FEEL FOR THE TREES, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE DOING IN TERMS OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT IN TO CHANGE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THE ENGINEERS HAVE DONE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE TO SAVE THE TREES. FIVE YEARS OF ENGINEERING WORK, FIVE YEARS OF PLANNING. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. IT REALLY IS, IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S GONE INTO THIS, THE AMOUNT OF MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD NOW, THEY WEREN'T RIDICULOUS. THEY WERE WORTHWHILE AND THINGS DID CHANGE. SO WE AT THE CONSERVANCY WHO REPRESENT AS LUKE AND SAID, MANY, MANY HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, WE REPRESENT THE COMPROMISE. NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET WHAT THEY WANT HERE. NOT EVERYONE'S GONNA GET EV NO TREES CUT DOWN AND NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA CLEAR CUT THE PLACE. NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO, BUT WE HAVE GOT AT SOME STAGE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS BUILDINGS, THESE BUILDINGS ARE FALLING INTO THE RIVER. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE, WE STAND HERE AT THE BRACKENRIDGE CONSERVANCY AND SUPPORT THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE, THE FIVE YEARS OF ENGINEERING, THE WHOLE YEAR OF PUBLIC INPUT, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL VOTE ALSO, UH, FOR THIS COMPROMISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MIFI MOORE, FOLLOWED BY JANELLE GLENVILLE. MS. MOORE RECEIVED FOUR MINUTES. TOLEDO WHITE HAS YIELDED HER TIME. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. MY SISTER, MY SISTER'S TOLEDO WHITE AND, UH, TOLEDO DRIVE WAS NAMED AFTER MY SISTER, AS HAVE MY GRANDMOTHER AND MY GRANDMOTHER. WE, UH, THE 124 YEAR OLD PARK, 1899, WAS WHERE WE LEARNED HOW TO RIDE HORSEBACK. AND MY GRANDMOTHERS LEARNED HOW TO SWIM AT LAMBERT BEACH. AND MY FI DADDY, UH, PLAYED BASEBALL AT THE BRACKENRIDGE BASEBALL FIELD. SO, UH, BEING A RANCHER AND WE HAVE LARGE STRUCTURES, UH, LARGE DAM STRUCTURES ON OUR RANCH. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THAT NOT ONLY THIS IS A BELOVED PLACE, BUT IT, THE, THE, THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE TREES ARE VERY PRECIOUS AND NEED TO BE PROTECTED. UM, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. I'VE TALKED TO FIVE OF THEM WHO TRIED TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC WORKS AND THE CITY MANAGER AND MULTIPLE ENGINEERS OF THE CITY, AND THE, THE PLANNING GUY THAT THE, THE, THE DESIGN TEAM AND ALL OF THEM TOLD THE DESIGN TEAM, THIS CAN BE DONE. YOU CAN SAVE THE TREES. YES, YOU CAN FIX THE WALLS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO KILL THE TREES TO FIX THE WALLS. THEY WERE TOLD THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY THAT TRIED TO GET THE DESIGN TEAM TO PUT A, GET TOGETHER A DESIGN THAT DOES THAT. AND THEY WERE TOLD TO SHUT UP AND GO AWAY. THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION THAT GAVE THE PERMIT FOR IT WAS LIED TO, BUT THEY WERE FOR THE TREES. THEY WANTED TO GIVE THE PERMIT TO PROTECT THE TREES, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE MIS MISLED AND NOT TOLD ALL THE TRUTHS, UH, THEY HAD TO GO, THEY HAD TO DO WHAT THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY HAD BEEN LED. YOU'VE HAD FIVE PEOPLE SPEAK FOR THIS, THIS PROJECT, AND I'M, I'M NUMBER 41 THAT HAVE NOT, HAS SPOKEN AGAINST TEARING DOWN THESE TREES. SO THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD TELL YOU A LOT. UM, THE KNOWING THAT THE, ALL THESE, ALL THESE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TRIED TO, ONE OF THEM OFFERED TO PRESENT A PLAN FOR FREE, AND THEY WERE TURNED DOWN, SHUT UP AND GO AWAY. IT TO, TO TAKE DOWN A TREE. THOSE BIG TREES, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND BUCKS TO RELOCATE. ONE, THERE'S NO TELLING HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS. SO IF YOU FIGURE 40 TREES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 40 MILLION, 44 SOME ODD MILLION DOLLARS. IF YOU HAD DONE THE 70 TREES, IT WOULD'VE BEEN $7 MILLION. HAD YOU DONE THE ORIGINAL 200 TREES, HEY, HELLO BOYS. THAT WAS 22 MILLION BUCKS, $20 MILLION SOMEBODY WOULD'VE MADE. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE DOLLARS SIGNS YOUR BLIND AND DEAF AND RETARDED, UM, IT IS A FEASIBLE PROJECT. IT CAN BE DONE. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TELL THE CITY, CITY LEADERSHIP TO TELL THE PLANNING GROUP TO PUT TOGETHER THE PLAN THAT DOES IT. I'VE ASKED MULTIPLE ENGINEERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAY, I ASKED THEM, I SAID, WHAT DOES IT COST TO SAVE THE TREE? OR WHAT [04:25:01] DOES IT COST? HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU SAVE BY JUST CHOPPING THE TREE DOWN? I ASKED ALL THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD ME? THEY HAD, THEY KNEW WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE ANSWER WAS. BUT ALL THE PEOPLE WITH THE CITY DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER. THERE'S BEEN NO REAL TRUE PLAN PUT TOGETHER ON THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THIS. UH, NOT TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW. HELLO, BOYS AND GIRLS. FOUR AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS EVERY SINGLE DAY OF TREATED SEWAGE IS DUMPED INTO THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER, RIGHT BY THE WITTY MUSEUM, FOUR AND A HALF MILLION GALLONS. THERE ARE NO SIGNS WARNING PEOPLE. THE GUY THAT ONE OF MY FRIENDS RUNS ONE OF THOSE PLANTS TOLD ME, DON'T LET YOUR DOGS NEAR THAT WATER. I SAID, WHAT? THEY DRINK OUT OF IT EVERY DAY, I WALK THERE EVERY DAY. I LIVE IN RIVER ROAD. WE GO EVERY DAY. OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THEY SAID, SO YOU GOT FILTHY WATER. WE ARE IN OUR, UH, 15TH YEAR OF NON-COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AIR STANDARDS THAT ALL THOSE BIG TREES, THEY WANNA CHOP DOWN, CLEAN THE AIR. SO IF THERE'S NOT A GOOD REASON TO, IF, IF YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANY GOOD REASONS, THINK OF THIS, THE GOOD LORD, AND I BELIEVE THIS IN MY BONE MARROW, THE GOOD LORD TAKES CARE OF YOU AND YOURS WHEN YOU TAKE CARE OF HIS, ALL OF HIS, HIS CREATORS AND CREATURES AND HIS CREATIONS. IT'S A MATTER OF INTEGRITY. EITHER YOU'RE GONNA DO INTEGRITY AND YOU'RE GONNA DO GOD'S WILL AND TAKE CARE OF HIS PRECIOUS EARTH OR YOU'RE NOT. I HOPE THAT YOU DO THE RIGHT THING. I PRAY TO GOD THAT YOU DO AND YOUR FAMILY. I PRAY TO GOD YOU DO THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, FOR LISTENING TO ME AND PUTTING UP WITH ME. THANK YOU. BYE. THANK YOU. JANELLE WEZEL, FOLLOWED BY, UH, GILBERT MATTHEWS. IS THERE A JANELLE JONELLE? SO GILBERT MATTHEWS, ARE YOU HERE? I'M OKAY. COME ON UP AND YOU'LL BE FOLLOWED BY SUZANNE. I'M GIVING HIM MY TIME. OKAY. SO SUZANNE MATTHEWS YIELDS HER TIME. GILBERT, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. WELL, I'VE BEEN INTRODUCED. I HADN'T PLANNED ON THAT. UM, I'M A NATIVE SAN ANTONIO. SAN ANTONIO. I, UM, I'M AN HONORARY MEMBER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SCHOOL OF ARCHITECTURE BOARD IN AUSTIN, AND I ALSO AM AN HONORARY MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS. I'M A BUSINESSMAN NOW. UM, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I HAVE HIGH REGARD FOR ARCHITECTURE. IT STRIKES ME THAT TONIGHT IS SORT OF, UH, AN EVENING OF DEMOCRACY AND ACTION. I'VE LEARNED A LOT LISTENING TO THE OPPOSITION I COME TO, TO VOICE SUPPORT FOR THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY, UH, IN THE PLAN BEFORE YOU. UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT, UM, THE COMMISSION HAS, IT'S A BALANCING ACT. YOU'RE BALANCING PROTECTION OF THE TREES, WHICH WE ALL LOVE, TREES, WHICH ARE REQUESTED TO BE TAKEN DOWN, VERSUS AFFIRMING A PLAN THAT'S HAD QUITE A LOT OF STUDY, UM, FOR THE GREATER PUBLIC GOOD. I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE GREATER PUBLIC GOOD IN, IN THE NEXT MINUTE OR TWO. UM, BUT FIRST I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO HAS PRESENTED THIS PLAN TO YOU. THE SS W A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS ARE KNOWN TO ME, AND THEY'RE KNOWN TO MANY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. THEY'RE THE FIRM THAT DID THE DESIGN FOR THE BAYOU IN HOUSTON, AND THEY'VE ALSO DONE THE, THE, THE DALLAS ARBORETUM AND THE CALIFORNIA ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, AND I COULD GO ON. THEY'RE A HIGHLY REGARDED NATIONAL FIRM. UM, I THINK THAT I HEARD THE SS W A SPEAKER EXPLAIN THAT THERE ARE SIX HERITAGE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN. UM, AND THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL PLANT HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO, I BELIEVE, 40 SOMETHING FROM 70. A LOT OF THIS IS ABOUT PROPORTION. WE HAVE 400 ACRES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE SIX ACRES, I BELIEVE FROM A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CONSERVANCY THAT THERE ARE UP TO 600 TREES IN THE PARK. SO AS A MATTER OF PROPORTION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ROLY SMALL PART OF THE PARK. I THINK THE BALANCING ACT IS TO EVALUATE FOR THE GREATER PUBLIC [04:30:01] GOOD, WHAT WOULD COME FROM APPROVING THE PLAN. SO THE CONCERN FOR THE TREES IS WELL TAKEN, NO ONE CAN DISPUTE THAT. BUT THERE ALSO IS CONCERN FOR THE LANDSCAPE AND THE ARCHITECTURE. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STONE BRIDGES AND STONE WALKWAYS AND STONE WALLS. AND IN 1878, HISTORIC PUMPHOUSE SAN ANTONIO IS REGARDED FOR ITS BEAUTY. THIS PARK. AND THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE PART OF THE EXTENSION OF WHAT THE RIVERWALK REPRESENTS. AND ALSO SAN FERNANDO CATHEDRAL, THE MISSIONS, WHICH ARE WORLD HERITAGE SITES, THE ALAMO, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO ALLOW PEDESTRIANS CHILDREN TO WALK ALONG IN AN AREA THAT HAS ROOTS. GOING BACK, I KNOW WELL OVER 150 YEARS. UM, WHAT WILL THE PASSAGE ALONG THE RIVERWALK BE FOR THE CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO? FOR THE YOUNG AND THE OLD, IT'S GONNA BE A POINT OF BEAUTY AND TREES ARE BEING PLANTED TO REPLACE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN. ALL TREES GROW FROM ACORNS. WHO'S TO SAY IN WHAT PERIOD OF TIME THESE NEW TREES WILL BE BACK TO THE SCALE OF WHAT'S BEING TAKEN DOWN? YOU'RE, LOOK, YOU'RE THAT, THAT'S TIME ANYWAY. SIR, IF YOU CAN WRAP UP. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UM, YOU'RE EVALUATING ON THE COMMISSION THE FUTURE IN A SENSE OF THE PARK, IN THE ENJOYMENT OF THE PARK AND THE WAY IT INTEGRATES WITH THE REST OF SAN ANTONIO. THIS HAS GONE ON FOR YEARS. IT'S TIME THAT YOU ALL DO MAKE A DECISION. I HAVE HIGH REGARD FOR THE DECISION YOU'LL MAKE, WHATEVER IT WILL BE. I HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONCLUDE THAT BALANCING THE RELATIVE INTERESTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF PRESERVING THE TREES VERSUS PRESERVING THE TEXTURE OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE GENERAL BEAUTY OF WHAT SAN ANTONIO IS KNOWN FOR. JUST A MOMENT HE'S WRAPPING UP. SOMEONE RAN LONG. WELL LEAD TO AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO MY REMARKS. THANK YOU. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. UM, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN PLAYING VOICEMAILS. UM, WHILE THERE'S, ARE GOING, WHILE THOSE ARE GOING, I'LL ALSO DIRECT YOU TO YOUR FOLDERS. WE ALSO RECEIVED, UM, EMAILS AND LETTERS. UM, SO JUST TO SUMMARIZE THOSE, WE HAVE 14 LETTERS IN OPPOSITION AND SIX IN SUPPORT. UM, AND WE HAVE 35 VOICEMAILS. MY NAME IS ANNETTE CASTELLANO AND I LIVE AT 1230 YELLOW SKY. AND THIS MESSAGE IS FOR ITEM MEETING NUMBER 16 H O R C. NOT TO MOVE CUT, CHOP NOR TRANSPLANT THE HERITAGE OAK TREES. MY NAME IS JESSICA . UH, MY ADDRESS IS 48 27 VIEW DRIVE, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM 16 REGARDING THE HERITAGE TREES AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF SAN ANTONIO IN BEXAR COUNTY. I'M AN ACTIVE CITIZEN. I VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION, AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HERITAGE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I DON'T UNDERSTAND, OR I, THERE'S NO DESIGN THAT SHOULD EVER TRUMP A HERITAGE TREE OR ITS HABITANTS. I CAN'T THINK OF A DESIGN ON THE PLANET THAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT OR MORE SACRED THAN OUR HERITAGE TREES. WHY DO YOU MAKE US PETITION? WHY DO YOU MAKE US PROTEST AND BEG YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING? PLEASE SAVE THE TREES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. AND THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 16. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY'S SUPPORTS THE PROJECT OF THE BRACKEN RIDGE PARK CONSERVANCY AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO REMOVE TREES THAT ARE DAMAGING THE HISTORIC WALLS AND FOUNDATIONS OF THE PUMPHOUSE AND LAMBERT BEACH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. HELLO, MY NAME IS LUCILLE RAS. I'M AT 24 63 FM 1296 WELDER 7 8 9 5 9. I AM [04:35:02] CALLING IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM 16 TODAY 4 19 20 23. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE HISTORICAL AND HERITAGE TREES IN ORDER TO REBUILD THE STONEWALL. I PROTEST THE REMOVING OF THE TREES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PETITION THE HISTORIC DESIGN REVIEW TO CONSIDER THE LIFELONG YEARS THAT THOSE TREES REPRESENT TO INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES THAT HOLD THAT VERY AREA IN BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK AS A SACRED SITE. HELLO? YES, MY NAME IS TIM DUDA. I LIVE ON QUEEN ANNE COURT IN THE MANKEY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS FROM BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UH, MY ADDRESS IS 3 4 0 QUEEN ANNE ZIP CODE 7 8 2 0 9. AND I AM ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO THE CUTTING OF ANY OF THE HERITAGE TREES AT LAMBERT BEACH IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, THERE'S, UH, A POSSIBILITY OF, UH, WANTING TO DESTROY THE, UH, THE HABITAT, UH, FOR THE MIGRATORY BIRDS THERE. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THAT. I AM DEFINITELY AGAINST, UH, ANY, UH, UM, ANY CHANGE IN THE, UH, IN THE ECOSYSTEM AROUND LAMBERT BEACH IN TERMS OF CUTTING THE HERITAGE TREES. UH, WE KNOW THAT ANY, UH, CONTINUED STRUCTURES CAN BE, UH, CAN BE DONE WITHOUT, UH, HURTING THE TREES, WITHOUT CUTTING THEM. AND SO, UM, IF ANY WALLS NEED TO BE BUILT, THEY CAN BE, BE, UH, BE BUILT WITHOUT, UH, REMOVING THOSE TREES. SO WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR, UH, YOUR INTEREST AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME, UH, UH, LEAVE THIS MESSAGE. WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND I AM A, UH, A MEMBER OF, UH, TERRA ADE. WE ARE AN ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP AND WE, UH, SUPPORT, UH, THE TREES AND LEAVING TREES IN PLACE AS DEVELOPMENT, UH, OCCURS. AND SO, UM, PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THESE, UH, IMPORTANT GENERATIONAL TREES. THEY'RE SO MUCH A PART OF OUR NATURAL, UH, OUR NATURAL HISTORY HERE IN SAN ANTONIO. APPRECIATE THIS. AGAIN, MY NAME IS TIM DUDA, D AS IN DAVID, U D AS IN DAVID, A AT THIS PHONE NUMBER OR, UH, MY, UH, ADDRESS IS 3 4 0 QUEEN ANNE COURT, UH, RIGHT ACROSS FROM, UH, THE WHITTY MUSEUM IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. APPRECIATE THIS. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. BYE-BYE. EMILY FERRY, 1 0 4 ANASTASIA PLACE, ITEM 16 3700 NORTH ST. MARY'S. I'M GLAD THAT MY MOTHER, CAMILLE ROSENGREN, DID NOT LIVE TO SEE THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S PLAN FOR THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. SHE AND MY FATHER SWAM THERE AS CHILDREN AND REGALED ME ALL OF THEIR LIVES WITH THE JOYS OF PLUNGING INTO THOSE WATERS AND THEN LOUNGING ON THE COOL RIVER BANKS IN THE DAYS BEFORE AIR CONDITIONING, THE REFRESHING POOL AND THE WELCOMING SHADE OF THE ADJACENT TREES AT LAMBERT BEACH WERE THROUGH DELIGHT. EVEN WHEN MY MOTHER BECAME TOO ILL TO WALK, SHE WOULD ROUTINELY ASK ME TO DRIVE HER TO THAT PART OF THE PARK. AND I WAS HAPPY ALWAYS TO OBLIGE FOR IN MY LIFE AS WELL. THAT AREA PROMPTS WONDERFUL MEMORIES, THE STILL GORGEOUS TO THIS DAY. BERLIN BRIDGE, THE GRAND YET FOLKSY PAVILION. THE INTERN SCENE RUINS OF THE BATHHOUSES, THE LAST VESTIGES OF THOSE HISTORIC WALLS, TEMPTING US TO IMAGINE THE THOUSANDS OF HAPPY SWIMMERS CANCEL ON THEIR EDGES. AND OF COURSE, THE SIMPLY MAGNIFICENT PUMPHOUSE. THESE STRUCTURES MAKE UP ONE OF THE MOST MAGICAL SECTIONS OF BRACKENRIDGE PARKS. BUT IN ADDITION TO THESE MANMADE CONSTRUCTIONS, YOU HAVE TO TREAT SOME HERITAGE, SOME YOUNGER, BUT ALL STILL A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE LAMBERT BEACH EXPERIENCE. MUCH TO MY DISMAY, I'VE SEEN THE PLANS FOR THE REVISED NEW AND IMPROVED DESIGN FOR THIS MUCH BELOVED SECTION OF OUR PARK. THE TERM RESTORATION SEEMS TONGUE IN CHEEK HERE, AS THE ILLUSTRATION SHOWS A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE FROM WHAT IS THERE NOW OUT OF PLACE, MODERN ELEMENTS, VERY LITTLE SHADE AND WAY TOO MUCH IMPERMEABLE SURFACE. I MUST ADMIT THAT I'M AT A LOSS TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S POINT OF VIEW, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO PRESERVE IN PLACE MORE OF THE CANOPY TREES WHILE STILL REPAIRING THE RETAINING WALLS. AND THROUGHOUT IT ALL, MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF LAMBERT BEACH. I IMPLORE YOU TO FIND THAT SOLUTION. YES, [04:40:01] I'M CALLING ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 20. WHY ARE THEY CUTTING SO MUCH TREES DOWN? I AM IN THIS PARK ALMOST EVERY OTHER DAY AND EVERY WEEKEND. IT, Y'ALL ARE CUTTING WAY TOO MANY TREES. MY NAME IS DWAYNE A FLORIS. I LIVE IN SAN ANTONIO, 45 0 3 CLEAR SPRING SEVEN EIGHT TWO ONE SEVEN. MY CELL PHONE NUMBER IS TWO ONE OH THREE EIGHT SIX SEVEN SIX. MY NAME IS REBECCA JUAREZ AND I LIVE AT 5 0 2 CASS AVENUE. I WILL SPEAK ON ITEM 16 OF THE AGENDA. IT IS IRONICAL THAT TODAY ON APRIL 19, THREE DAYS BEFORE EARTH DAY, THIS COMMITTEE IS VOTING ON A REQUEST BY THE CITY TO CUT DOWN 48 TREES AT OUR HISTORIC BRACKENRIDGE PARK. PLEASE CONSIDER THE DAMAGE TO OUR ENVIRONMENT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. FOR SAN ANTONIO, EARTH DAY REMINDS US TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PLANET. THE CITY HAS NOT DONE SO IN THE PAST. IN 2022, THE CITY APPROVED REMOVAL OF 2,642 TREES ON THE FAR WEST SIDE OF MICROSOFT THAT THEN PAID $1.47 MILLION INTO THE CITY'S TREE MITIGATION FUND. AIMED AT OFFSETTING THIS REMOVAL IN 2020, ANOTHER DEVELOPER CUT DOWN BOTH QUOTE, SIGNIFICANT AND HERITAGE HERITAGE TREES TO DEVELOP A SITE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, IN THE FAR WEST SIDE, THE DEVELOPER AGREED TO MEDICATE THE LOSS, BUT IN THE END, THE CITY AGREED THAT THEY COULD PLANT 144 TREES. BUT THIS DID NOT HAPPEN, AND ONLY 17 TREES WERE PLANTED. AS POPULATION GROWS HERE, THE CITY CONTINUES TO GRANT DEVELOPERS EXCEPTIONS TO THE TREE ORDINANCE. LOSS OF TREE COVER WILL IMPACT OUR AIR AND WATER QUALITY. INSTEAD OF INCREASING OUR TREE CANOPY, THE CITY IS MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE HAVE A SHRINKING TREE CANOPY. CUTTING MORE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK WILL ADD TO THIS SHRINKING CANOPY. HELLO, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CHRIS . I'M CALLING ON ITEM NUMBER 16. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT WE CONTINUE TO CUT DOWN TREES. IT'S HOT. PEOPLE ARE POOR. THE PARK IS BEAUTIFUL. YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE TREES ALONE. YOU SHOULD DETERMINE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT, AND WE HAVE IMPORTANT WORK OF THE PEOPLE TO DO RATHER THAN CUTTING DOWN TREES AND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PARK, WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKS FILLED WITH FIRE AND SCORPIONS AND RATTLESNAKES. LET'S NOT TURN BRACKEN RIDGE PARK INTO THAT OR ANOTHER SHOPPING MALL. I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE CONSIDERATION. I AM A RESIDENT IN SAN ANTONIO. MY FAMILY'S BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS. MY NAME IS ALICE CANISTER GARCIA. I'M VERY CONCERNED OF THE TREE REMOVAL IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. PARK IS HEINOUS. WE NEED EVERY TREE POSSIBLE, THE OLD WALL. I DO NOT SEE WHY A WALL WOULD BE CONSIDERED MORE VALUABLE THAN TREES. SO I AM VOICING MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS, UH, VERY BAD ECOLOGICAL IDEA OF REMOVING TREES. I HEARD LAST, UM, MOMENT THAT IT'S LIKE 48 TREES, SOME VERY OLD BIG TREES THAT WE NEED. A WALL CAN BE REBUILT IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY TO SAVE SOME OLD PIECES OF THE WALL, SAVE IT INCORPORATED IN A NEW WALL. BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A TREE. A WALL IS JUST A HUMAN THING. SO I VERY, VERY MUCH, UM, URGING YOU TO PROTECT THE TREE. PLEASE PROTECT THE TREE. MY NUMBER IS AREA CODE TWO ONE. MY NAME IS LISA GARZA. I LIVE AT 1 9 9 1 1 TERRA CANYON IN SAN ANTONIO. I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF ITEM NUMBER 16, CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 0 9 1 BRECKENRIDGE PARK LAMBERT BEACH. IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INPUT, THE DESIGN TEAM HAS REVISED THEIR PLAN TO PRESERVE 35 ADDITIONAL TREES. THE CITY HAS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TREES TO BE REMOVED IN THE PROJECT AREA. FROM 70 TO 48, RELOCATING TREE NUMBER 1 0 1, THE LARGEST HERITAGE OAK IN THE PARK WILL ENSURE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE HISTORIC TREE CANOPY AT LAMBER BEACH WILL REMAIN INTACT. I APPRECIATE THIS MORE NUANCED APPROACH TO LANDSCAPE PRESERVATION ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER IN REPAIRING CORRIDOR. FOR THESE REASONS, [04:45:01] I'M ENDORSING THIS PHASE OF THE PROJECT AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THE BRACKENRIDGE FAMILY LEFT THIS BEAUTIFUL PARK AS A LEGACY TO THE PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO. I'M CALLING ABOUT BRACKENRIDGE PARK AND THE TREES. MY NAME IS TERRY GOLER. THE BRACKENRIDGE FAMILY SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY WANTED THE PEOPLE TO ENJOY NATURE AS THEY DID. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CITY LEADERS HAVE TOTALLY IGNORED THE SPIRIT OF THIS GIFT. IN THE 2017 BOND ELECTION, IT IS STATED THAT THERE WOULD BE RESTORING THAT SECTION OF THE PARK, NOT DESTROYING IT. BRACKENRIDGE PARK HAS BEEN A TREASURE OF TREES AND WILDLIFE. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE FOR BIRD ARCHING. THE CITY AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT CLAIMED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO CLEAN UP AFTER BIRDS. HOWEVER, THEY SEEM TO HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY TO DESTROY THE PARK BY CHOPPING DOWN BEAUTIFUL C CREEK MYRTLES. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TURNED INTO HEAT IRONS BECAUSE OF THIS DESTRUCTION TO OUR CITY PARK TREES SLOW RUNOFF FROM RAINWATER AND REDUCE EROSION, FLOODING AND POLLUTION. REMOVING ANY TREE WITH OUR PRESENT CLIMATE ISSUE IS WRONG. AND REMOVING ANY HERITAGE TREE IS A TRAVESTY. WE KNOW THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF HERITAGE TREES MUST BE PRESERVED WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. BRACKENRIDGE PARK IS IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. WE MUST PRESERVE THESE TREES FOR PEOPLE'S ENJOYMENT OF NATURE. NATURE. JERRY GOLER RIVER ROAD 2 1 0. HELLO, MY NAME IS CARLOS GUTIERREZ, 73 26 BELLA GARDEN, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS. ITEM 16 3700 NORTH ST. MARY'S, BRACKENRIDGE PARK, LAMBERT BEACH. I'M, I GREW UP IN SAN ANTONIO AND NOW I'M PRINCIPAL AT C S F CONSULTING LP IN HOUSTON. I HAVE DONE ENGINEERING PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING RETAINING WALLS. MY CD AND LETTERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AT THE REQUEST OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I VISITED THE SITE IN BRACKEN BRIDGE PARK SEVERAL TIMES. IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THE TREES CAN BE GIVEN A FIGHTING REASONABLE CHANCE OF SURVIVAL. OUR SOLUTION IS SIMPLE. TAKE DOWN THE WALL WHERE NECESSARY, INSTALL A SHADOW WALL AND REBUILD THE ROCK WALL. WE NEED ONLY EIGHT TO 12 INCHES OF INTRUSION INTO THE BANK TO DO THIS. SAVING THE TREES. THE CITY'S PLAN REQUIRES AT LEAST FIVE FEET OF EXCAVATION AND IS A STRUCTURALLY WEAKER WALL IN THE CITY. IF THE CITY WANTS TO SAY THE TREES, IT COULD. THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT AN ENGINEERING ONE IN A NORMAL PROJECT, REQUIREMENTS ARE GIVEN AND SOLUTIONS FOUND. THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS NOT REQUIRED ITS TEAM TO PRESERVE THE TREES. WE CAN DESIGN WALLS TO DO THAT, BUT CANNOT OVERCOME BUREAUCRATIC INERTIA. THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE CITY CONSULT WITH EXPERTS AND CONSIDERED ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT HAS NOT. THE CITY HAS REFUSED TO CONSIDER OUR PROPOSAL AND HAS INSTEAD RELIED ON THE FALSE PREMISE THAT THE WALLS MUST BE PRESERVED INACT UNDER THE CITY'S PLAN. THE WALLS WILL COLLAPSE ONCE THE SOIL AND ROOTS ARE REMOVED FROM BEHIND THEM. WE WILL NEITHER HAVE TREES OR WALLS. THE SAN ANTONIO SHOULD DO BETTER THAN THIS. BRACKENRIDGE DESERVES BETTER THAN THIS. THE COMMISSION SHOULD ENFORCE THE TREE ORDINANCE AND REQUIRE THE CITY CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS CAROL HANS, 7 7 0 9 BROADWAY, SAN ANTONIO. I'M CALLING ABOUT THE HERITAGE TREES ON HERITAGE TREES ON THE RIVER IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THEM. PLEASE LEAVE THEM ALONE. LET THEM STAND AS THEY ARE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOODBYE. THIS IS ANNA HERNANDEZ FROM 51 26 NORTH LOOP 1604 EAST APARTMENT 13 2 0 1. CALLING THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION TO SAVE THE TREES AT THE BRECKEN BRIDGE TREES. UH, IT SOUNDS TO ME, BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HAVE RECEIVED, THAT THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION WOULD ACT ON THE BEST INTEREST OF SAVING TREES THAT HAVE TAKEN 150 [04:50:01] YEARS OR MORE TO GROW. THAT IS HISTORIC. UH, I WILL APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION DOING ITS BEST TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT AND, UH, CONTINUE TO HAVE THE NICE LANDSCAPING AT BRACKENRIDGE. THANK YOU. YES, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M, MY NAME IS ROSE HILL AND I'M CALLING TO SAY THAT THE HARRISON TREES AT LAMBER BEACH MUST STAY. I KNOW, UH, THERE IS A, THE ABILITY TO REBUILD THE WALL WITHOUT MOVING OR CUTTING THE TREES. AS SEVERAL LICENSED ENGINEERS HAVE ATTESTED TO THE FACT THAT WE CAN SAVE THOSE TREES AND REBUILD THE WALL. OUR GRANDFATHER TREES ARE, ARE SCARED AND TRANSPLANTING THEM IS NOT AN OPTION. TRANSPLANTING THEM WILL ONLY KILL THE TREES. STUDIES SHOW THAT THE ROOTS OF THESE OAK TREES CAN BE 90 FEET DEEP. DO NOT REMOVE THESE GENIAL TREES. THEY ARE SAN ANTONIO LIVE IN HISTORY, AND IT IS WRONG TO KILL 150 YEAR OLD TREE. VOTE NO ON THE DESIGN PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING AND FIGHTING FOR, ON THIS ISSUE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR. WE HOPE THAT TODAY AS YOU LISTEN TO THIS, UM, THE PLEASE OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN SAN ANTONIO, PLEASE KEEP OUR, OUR PARKS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS WE ALWAYS HAVE THIS, WE LET, LET'S THIS BE AN OPEN, WELCOMING PARK TO EVERYONE ACROSS SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS MARGARET NODEL, 2 2 3 EAST KINGS HIGHWAY, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 1 2. I'M CALLING TO SUPPORT THE TREES, THE HERITAGE TREES IN BRAD RIDGE PARK. PLEASE DO NOT DIS, DIS UH, DESTROY THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HI, I AM CALLING ABOUT ITEM 2 0 2 2 0 9 1. AND, UH, MY NAME IS CANDACE, MEANS AT 4 0 4 WARREN STREET IN SAN ANTONIO. AND I AM CALLING ABOUT SAVING THE TREES IN BRACKENRIDGE PARK. AND, UM, TO SPEAK ON THAT ISSUE AND JUST TO ASK THAT THEY BE SAVED. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ROSIE ORGA. MY PHONE NUMBER IS FROM 16. IF THEY TAKE AWAY THE TREES FROM THE, FROM THE BRACKENRIDGE PARK AREA, FROM THE RIVER, IT'S GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM THE AMBIANCE OF THE, OF THE WHOLE PARK. UH, THOSE TREES HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER. CAN'T THEY JUST CUT THE ROOTS AND NOT DESTROY THE, THE AMBIANCE? I MEAN, THE, THE TREES GIVE, UH, PEOPLE GIVE PEOPLE REASON FOR GOING. I MEAN, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR TREES OUT THERE TO CLEANSE THE AIR. ALL THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND ON SAN ANTONIO, AROUND SAN ANTONIO, ALL AREAS OF SAN ANTONIO ARE JUST DESTROYING THE AMBIENCE OF OUR CITY. THANK YOU. HELLO, THIS IS ELAINE ORTIZ. MY PHONE NUMBER IS (210) 846-0415. I'M CALLING IN REFERENCE TO ADA AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16. I DO NOT WANT ANY OF THOSE 150 YEAR OLD TREES TO BE REMOVED FROM BRECKENRIDGE PARK. PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE THE TREES. REMOVE AGAIN. ELAINE ORTIZ, 2 1 0 8 4 6 0 4 1 5. THANK YOU. YES. UH, THIS IS ROMAN PENA. I LIVE AT 5 3 0 WARE BOULEVARD IN SAN ANTONIO. AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 16. AND ALSO I AM AGAINST THE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE TREES AT THE BRECKENRIDGE PARK. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT, AND IF I'M NOT THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO PASS MY TIME TO, UH, MATILDA TORRES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HELLO, THIS IS KAMALA PLATT AT 39 10 WEST MARTIN STREET. UM, AND I'M SPEAKING ON QUESTION NUMBER 16 BEFORE THE H D R C. UM, I DO NOT SUPPORT PASSAGE OF THE BRECKENRIDGE PLAN AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, BUT I ASK THAT THE H D R C AT LEAST STIPULATE THAT THE, THAT PREFERABLY IN PHASE ONE BEFORE IT IS ACCEPTED, BUT IMMEDIATELY IN PHASE TWO, IF IT GETS THERE, THAT THERE MUST BE ENGAGEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENTLY DESIGNATED PARTIES OF POWER. I E [04:55:01] B P C PARKS MANAGER, CITY MANAGER, CITY COUNCIL, TO MAKE A FOUNDATIONAL CIRCLE OF DECISION MAKERS, STAKEHOLDERS FOR INPUT AND ENGAGEMENT FROM A SPECTRUM OF INTERESTS, INCLUDING ALL GROUPS REPRESENTED IN LOCAL COMMUNITY AND NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL EXPERTISE ON ISSUES SUCH AS ECOLOGY AND, UM, LAND USE AND CLIMATE CHANGE. SO THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THE BEST BRAINSTORMING AND PLANNING AVAILABLE ON PREPARING THE PARK FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS WHILE RESPECTING PAST ECOLOGICAL AND NATURAL PROTECTION AND RECIPROCITY FROM INDIGENOUS AND OTHER GROUPS, AND DEALING WITH OUR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ATROCITIES SUCH AS THE TANNERY, UM, AND THE TAKING OF THIS LAND DONE ON THIS SACRED GROUND IN THE PAST. THANK YOU. I AM SPEAKING ON NUMBER 16. MY NAME IS DEBORAH NCE. I'M A CITIZEN IN DISTRICT FOUR. MY ADDRESS IS 5 9 1 8 STONY BROOK DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 4 2. BRECKENRIDGE IS A PLACE EVERY SAN ANTONIO CAN FIND WITHOUT A MAP THAT SHOULD SPEAK FOR ITSELF. WHEN I RECALL THE SAN ANTONIO I GREW UP IN, I THINK OF DIVERSITY AND A UNITED DREAM OF EQUALITY IN THE HEARTS OF MOST PEOPLE. I REMEMBER A PARK WHERE EVERY RACE, COLOR, AND CULTURE COULD FEEL WELCOME. THEN THE 2017 BOND WAS APPROVED FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK WE NEVER DREAMED. THIS COULD MEAN CUTTING DOWN ALL THE TREES, CEMENTING OVER GRASS, REMOVING AN ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM, AND THEN CELEBRATING A SEWER SYSTEM. AND TANNER USED BY CONFEDERATES WHO WERE FIGHTING TO KEEP PEOPLE, UH, TO KEEP BLACK PEOPLE AS SLAVES OVER THE RICH HISTORY OF THE INDIGENOUS, THE INDIGENOUS WHO HAVE COME HERE FOR RELIGIOUS CEREMONY. SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME, WE NEVER DREAMED THAT THE CITY WOULD ALLOW FOR DECISIONS TO BE MADE WITHOUT ONE PERSON OF COLOR SEATED AT THE TABLE. THIS CAN BE REDONE AND DECISIONS CAN BE VISITED AGAIN. IF OUR LEADERS CAN MAKE THESE THIS, UM, DECISION. IT IS HORRIFIC THAT IT IS HORRIFIC THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CUT DOWN TREES FOR A SEGREGATED WALL WHERE ONLY WHITE PEOPLE COULD SWIM. I WAS BULLIED FOR SAYING THAT I WAS BULLIED FOR REPORTING THE TRUTH, WHICH IS THAT AN ALL WHITE PANEL OF DECISION MAKERS MADE THESE DECISIONS. DID THIS BOTHER ME? YES, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE JUST AS BO I WOULD BE JUST AS BOTHERED IF IT WAS ALL BROWN PEOPLE, ALL BLACK, ALL INDIGENOUS DIVERSITY MATTERS. AND IN A DIVERSITY LIKE OURS, DIVERSITY SHOULD ALWAYS BE USED WHEN CREATING COMMUNITY SPACES. COLONIZATION IS DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN MANY OF US. I REALIZE THAT. AND WE NEED TO STEP AWAY FROM THESE TEACHINGS. WE HAVE LEARNED TO. HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER CIELO. I'M AT 80 18 BRA RUN, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 5 4. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO MEETING NUMBER 16 1 6. AND, UH, THIS IS ABOUT THE HERITAGE OAKS AT BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, I'M IMPLORING THE H D R C TO NOT MOVE, CUT, CHOP OR TRANSPLANT THE HERITAGE TREES. THERE IS AN ABILITY TO REBUILD THE STONE WALL AND NOT REMOVE THE TREES. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MIMI QUINTANILLA, 1 5 0 OSTROM DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 1 2. I'M COMMENTING REGARDING ADDING NUMBER 16, CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 2 0 9 1 3700 NORTH ST. MARY STREET, BRACKENRIDGE PARK, LAMBERT BEACH. I'M CALLING TO EXPRESS MY DEEP CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT AS CURRENTLY PLANNED STRIDES HAVE BEEN MADE TO PRESERVE MANY OF THE HISTORIC RESOURCES. HOWEVER, THE CITY IS STILL PLANNING TO REMOVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES IN THE CITY'S MOST PRIZED URBAN PARK. WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TREES ARE ESSENTIAL AND PROVIDE BENEFITS TO THE ECOSYSTEM AND THE COMMUNITY. THEY REDUCE CARBON DIOXIDE, PROVIDE SHADE, AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL HEALTH AND AESTHETIC OF THE PARK. THE PARK'S TREES ARE A PART OF THE HISTORIC LANDSCAPE. THE WALLS WERE CONSTRUCTED TO HELP PRESERVE THE HEALTH OF THE TREES. THIS PARADIGM HAS SHIFTED SO FAR OFF THAT NOW THE WALLS THEMSELVES OVERSHADOW THEIR ORIGINAL INTENT TO PROTECT THE TREES. REMOVING THE TREES IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON THE AREA FOR RECREATION AND A SENSE OF PLACE WITHIN THE HISTORIC SHELTERING SHADE CANOPY. THE H D R C SHOULD FURTHER RECONSIDER THE CURRENT DESIGN AND FIND A WAY TO PRESERVE MORE OF THE MATURE AND HERITAGE TREES. [05:00:01] THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE WALLS TO AVOID REMOVAL OR RELOCATION OF EXISTING TREES OR BY USING ALTERNATIVES TO THE ENGINEERING DESIGN OF THE WALLS AS CURRENTLY PLANNED. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS TO PRESERVING THE TREES, HOWEVER, PRESERVATION OF THE EXISTING IMMATURE TREES MUST BE A PRIORITY. PRESERVING MATURE TREES IS VITAL TO MAINTAINING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF LAMBERT BEACH, WHICH WE KNOW IS PART OF THE FIRST SITE TO BE NAMED AS THE STATE ANTIQUITIES. LANDMARK PROTECTION OF OUR HISTORIC NATURAL RESOURCES IS CRITICAL. AFTER ALL, THIS IS A PARK OF PUBLIC GREEN SPACE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE PRESERVATION OF THE HISTORIC NATURAL RESOURCES IN PHASE ONE OF THIS. THIS IS JEREMY ROBERTS RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE. SO I'M CALLING REGARDING THE BRICK AND ANDRIDGE TREES AND SPECIFICALLY ITEM 16. WHAT I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THERE ARE ENGINEERS WHO HAVE STATED THAT THEY CAN DESIGN A WALL SO THAT, SO THAT THE HERITAGE TREES ARE NOT REMOVED. I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE PLANS HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED, AND IF THOSE PLANS ARE BEING CONSIDERED, IS THERE A DELAY IN THE DECISION ON REMOVING THE HERITAGE TREES? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M, THAT THAT'S SPECIFICALLY SAID AND UNDERSTOOD THAT IF THERE ARE PLANS AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX, FIX WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, BUT ALSO SAVE THE HERITAGE TREES. AND THERE'S AN ENGINEER THAT SAYS THAT THEY COULD DO THIS WHILE SAVING THE TREES. WHY IS THAT NOT BEING CONSIDERED AND WHY ARE WE NOT LOOKING INTO IT? AND WHY ARE WE NOT DELAYING THE DECISION TO REMOVE THE TREES? THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY. HI. YES, I AM CALLING IN REGARDS TO MEETING ITEM NUMBER 16. UM, IN REGARDS TO THE TREES, THE GRANDFATHER TREES ALONG UGANDA AND BRACKENRIDGE PARK, I AM HOPING THAT YOU GUYS CAN TAKE HE TO OUR CALLS, OUR EMAILS, OUR VOICEMAILS. UM, AND PLEASE CONSIDER NOT CUTTING DOWN THE TREES. PLEASE DO NOT MOVE, CUT, CHOP OR TRANSPLANT ANY OF THESE HERITAGE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. MY NAME IS, PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE TREES AND REBUILD THE WALL. AS AN ENGINEER HAS SAID, WALK CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT MOVING TREES. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALENTINA THOMPSON. MY ADDRESS IS 1 3 0 6 YELLOW SKY DRIVE, SAN ANTONIO 7 8 2 6 4. TODAY I AM, UM, VOICING MY SUPPORT ON ITEM MEETING NUMBER 16. PLEASE DO NOT CUT, MOVE, SHOP, TRANSPLANT. THE HERITAGE TREES, THEY'RE PART OF OUR EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THAT PARK. IT HAS BEEN ABOUT THE TREES. AND IF THERE IS AN ABILITY FOR YOU TO REBUILD THE STONEWALL WITHOUT TOUCHING THESE TREES, PLEASE DO SO BECAUSE THEY'RE VALUE VERY VALUABLE TO THE ECOSYSTEM, TO OURSELVES. FOR OUR, OUR OUR EVERYTHING ABOUT SAN ANTONIO IS ABOUT THOSE BEAUTIFUL TREES AND THEY'RE SO, SO IT TAKES SO LONG TO GET 'EM THAT, THAT, THAT BIG. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH THEM. THANK YOU. BYE. MY NAME IS MOLLY . UH, IMAGINE 5 0 1 5 CLARK AVENUE. I REMEMBER POUND 16 Q H G R C. NOT TO MOVE CUT. SHOP TRANSPLANTS TO HERITAGE TREES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. YES. HELLO, THIS IS ROBERT. I'M AT 2 1 0 2 3 5 5 52 1 0 6. AND UM, AND, UM, IN REFERENCE TO NUMBER 16, THE TREES, GOSH, PLEASE DON'T CUT THOSE TREES DOWN. THEY BRING SO MUCH SHADE AND SO THEY HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT SO MUCH. CUTTING THOSE TREES DOWN IS GOING TO AFFECT THE ECOSYSTEM HERE IN SAN ANTONIO, AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOREVER. IT'D BE A CRIME TO GO RID TO THOSE STREETS. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS MOBY WARREN. I LIVE AT 1826 POPPY PEAK, SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 3 2. SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN MY HOME FOR OVER 60 YEARS. THIS STATEMENT IS FOR THE LAST ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA ABOUT LAMBERT BEACH. THE MORE I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT [05:05:01] THE PLAN TO REMOVE TREES FROM BRACKENRIDGE PARK AS PART OF THE PROJECT TO RESTORE HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AT LAMBERT BEACH, THE MORE DISTURBED I HAVE BECOME, I'M ENCOURAGED. THE PUBLIC OUTCRY HAS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TREES TARGETED FOR REMOVAL. AND ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND INVASIVE AND DYING TREES NEED TO BE REMOVED, I REMAIN ALARMED THAT SIGNIFICANT, INCLUDING HERITAGE TREES ARE TO BE DESTROYED. FURTHERMORE, IT APPEARS THAT THE NUMBER OF TREES, 35, THAT THE CITY IS CLAIMING WILL BE PRESERVED AT LAMBERT BEACH BECAUSE OF PUBLIC INPUT TURNS OUT TO ACTUALLY ONLY BE TWO. I'M CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC IS BEING MISLED. THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE TREE REMOVAL DECISION HAS BEEN MADE STRIKES ME AS PROBLEMATIC AND DISMISSIVE OF COMMUNITY CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY THE VOICES OF SAN ANTONIO'S INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY, WHICH HAS A RELATIONSHIP TO THE RIVER AND TREES THAT EXTENDS FAR BEYOND THE HISTORY OF WHITE COLONIAL SETTLERS WHOSE HISTORY IS VALUED, WHOSE STORIES ARE BEING IGNORED OR DISMISSED. HISTORICAL VALUE IS GRANTED TO MANMADE STRUCTURES LIKE WALLS, YET TREES WHICH ARE VIBRANT LIVING SOURCES OF HISTORY AND CULTURE ARE BEING TREATED AS MERE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WAY IN AN AGE OF RAPIDLY DWINDLING BIODIVERSITY AND ESCALATING CLIMATE CHANGE. TREES ARE MORE ESSENTIAL TO HUMAN WELLBEING AND A HEALTHY CULTURE THAN EVER. I FEAR THIS PROJECT IS FOCUSED ON SHORT-TERM OBJECTIVES THAT WILL CAUSE LONG LASTING HARM TO THE INTEGRITY OF GREEN LIFE THAT HAS ESTABLISHED ITSELF OVER CENTURIES ALONG OUR RIVER. I FERVENTLY HOPE THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD IN ITS CURRENT FORM. THANK YOU. HI, THIS IS KAREN WILSON, 2 1 0 3 2 9. I JUST WANNA BRING UP, UH, 20 22 91, 20 22 9 1. JUST GOT THE TEXT ABOUT THIS HEARING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ABOUT THE TEXAS RIPAN UH, DOT ORG TEXAS RIPAN, THAT'S R I P A R I A N.ORG, TEXAS RIPAN.ORG. AND IT'S ABOUT, UM, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE RIVERING AREAS THAT FALL INTO ALL THE WATERSHEDS. WE HAVE OVER 191,000 MILES OF RIVERS AND STREAMS THAT ARE CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODPLAINS IN UPLAND AREAS. THAT'S IN, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND, UM, IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL. THEY HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES AND THEN EVERYBODY, AND EVERYBODY THAT IS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS GETS, IS ON THIS, UH, WEBSITE. THEY HAVE A POR THERE. AND, UM, IT'S ALL THE, UM, ALL THE, UM, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN ALL THE RIP END AREAS IN THE FLOODPLAINS AND, UH, WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE AND HOW WE NEED TO PROTECT THEM. BUT, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ITEM 16 BRACKENRIDGE PARK. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS RALEIGH WOOD. MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 9 GLENDALE PLACE. I'M A FREQUENT VISITOR TO BRACKENRIDGE PARK. I'M AGAINST THE PROPOSED PROJECT. I VOTED FOR THE BOND JUST LIKE OTHERS. I SEE THE PARK NEEDS ATTENTION. HOWEVER, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR THE BOND IF I HAD KNOWN THIS WAS THE TYPE OF ATTENTION. I DO NOT SEE WHY THE PROPOSED PLANS TO ACCOMMODATE THE TREES IN THEIR EXISTING SITES CANNOT BE, CANNOT BE ACCOMPLISHED. FURTHER, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE PLAN TO TRANSPLANT A FEW OF THE HERITAGE TREES AND PLANT HUNDREDS OF SMALL TREES IS SUSTAINABLE. GIVEN TODAY'S CLIMATE AND THE CITY RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, I FEAR EN LESS THAN FIVE YEARS, WE'D BE LEFT WITH A BARREN LANDSCAPE. IN CONTRAST TO THE FULLY SHADED CANOPY OF TODAY. I WAS REMINDED OF THIS BY WALKING ACROSS MAINE PLAZA LAST WEEK, A PROJECT WHICH LIKE THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ALSO INVOLVED THE REMOVAL OF A VERY LARGE HERITAGE OAK AND OTHER TREES SO THAT A GROUP OF APPROPRIATELY SPACED SYCAMORES COULD BE PLANTED. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME. THE FOUNTAINS HAVE BEEN COVERED OVER THE TREES PROVIDE MINIMAL SHADE FOR THE PLAZA AND THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE OF THE AREA SEEMS LACKING. THIS IS, AGAIN, WHAT I FEAR WILL HAPPEN IF THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS APPROVED. I REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE PROJECT IN ITS CURRENT STATE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES, UM, ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE CASE. 64 DOWN SEVEN, CHOPPING THEM DOWN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE CITY STAFF AND ALSO THE DESIGN TEAM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS OR TO CLARIFY ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT. BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS, WOULD, UH, THE DESIGN TEAM OR CITY STAFF CARE TO, UH, RESPOND [05:10:01] TO ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS? AND WE THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING TODAY AND, UH, VOICING THEIR, UH, CONCERNS. GOOD EVENING, HOMER GARCIA, PARKS DIRECTOR. UH, NOW WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO Q AND A WITH THE, WITH, UH, THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, MR. BAKER? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I WANNA FIRST TELL EVERYBODY THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY AND FOR SOME OF YOU, THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'VE PUT TOWARDS THE, THE CONSERVATION OF BOTH OUR NATURAL AND OUR BUILT RESOURCES AS WELL AS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. I, I WANNA COMMEND THAT THE YOUNG 12 YEAR OLD GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE, WHO MADE THE COMMENTS AND THOUGHT HE WAS EXTREMELY WELL-SPOKEN AND, UH, AND HIS FAMILY AND EVERYBODY SHOULD BE REAL PROUD OF HIM. AND I THINK HE LEARNED A GREAT LESSON TONIGHT. UM, MY QUESTION IS, IS FOR, I GUESS IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION EITHER FOR THE CITY OR FOR THE DESIGN TEAM, BUT WHAT IS THIS PROJECT'S PURPOSE WHEN IT'S BUILT? WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO AND PROVIDE FOR THE, FOR THE THE PEOPLE? IS IT GONNA BE A, THE, WE SAW THE POSTCARD, IT WAS A BATHHOUSE THAT FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY, BUT WHAT, WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR? YEP. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION J. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. UH, JAMAL MORENO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THIS PROJECT STARTED OUT, UM, IT'S A CAPITAL PROJECT. UM, WHERE ITS INITIAL FOCUS WAS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP DURING THE, UH, 27 20 16 20 17 MASTER PLANNING PROCESS, UH, FOR BRACKENRIDGE PARK. UM, AND OUT THAT MASTER PLAN, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, TENANTS OF THAT MASTER PLAN, ONE OF THE APPROVED, UM, UH, ITEMS THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC WANTED TO SEE WAS REHABILITATION OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES, UH, THE MINI STRUCTURES, HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE IN THE PARK. UM, SO, UH, TAKING THAT INFO, UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID WAS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, UH, TOOK A LOOK AT, UM, SOME OF THE, UM, CULTURAL RESOURCES, HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT WERE IN MOST NEED OF REHABILITATION. UH, AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE, UH, PRIOR FOR PRIORITY ONE SHOULD BE, UH, THE LAMBERT BEACH AREA. UH, THE RIVER WALLS THAT WERE ALREADY AT THAT TIME STARTING TO FAIL, UH, HAD FAILED IN THE PAST. AND THEN THE PUMPHOUSE AS WELL. UM, SO, UH, THAT, THAT WAS THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. PHASE ONE. OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE A PHASE TWO THAT GOES INTO, UH, A, A BUNCH OF OTHER, UH, DESIGN AND, AND ADDRESSING OTHER HISTORIC, UH, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES. UH, BUT PHASE ONE IS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON, UH, REPAIRING AND REHABILITATING, UH, THE STRUCTURES THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY. NOW, ESSENTIALLY WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE, WE WANT TO, RIGHT NOW THAT AREA IS CLOSED OFF TO THE PUBLIC, UH, JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SAFE, UH, PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE RIGHT NOW. UH, BUT WHEN IT'S OPEN, UH, WE FULLY EXPECT, UM, 100% ACCESS BACK TO THAT AREA OF LAMBERT BEACH. UH, AND FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET DOWN TO THE WATER AGAIN, UH, TO FISH, TO PICNIC, TO OPEN UP THEIR LAPTOP AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO, UM, AND TO GENERALLY JUST ENJOY THAT AREA AND BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER FISH. THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, CITY STAFF WITH A DESIGN TEAM, AND IT'S A TWO-PARTER. I'M GONNA ASK BOTH, UH, AT ONCE AND, AND THEN SEE WHERE WE GO. BUT I, I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR ENGAGEMENT WITH THE T H C OVER THE PAST, UH, MANY MONTHS, PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO SEEKING ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS FOR PRESERVATION OF THE WALL, WHICH MAY INCLUDE RECONSTRUCTION OR SOME OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE PROPOSED. AND ESSENTIALLY WHY TO EXPLAIN OR, OR PROVIDE A RATIONALE TO WHY THE PERMIT THAT WAS PRE PRESENTED TO THE T H C CONTAINED THE SOLUTIONS, UH, THAT WERE PROPOSED AND VOTED ON BY THE T H C LAST WEEK. UH, THE SECOND PART IS IF THE CITY SOUGHT A CHANGE TO THE PERMIT, UH, OR ASK FOR A MODIFICATION OF THE CURRENT, UH, DOCUMENTS, UH, WHICH PRECLUDED SOME OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE WALL IN PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE AN EXISTING TREE, WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD? UH, THIS IS HOMER GARCIA. I'M GONNA ASK KINDER TO ADDRESS, UM, SOME OF THE SPECIFICS TO THE COLLABORATION WITH, UH, T H C. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, [05:15:01] THE PART OF THE QUESTION IN THE BEGINNING WAS, WHAT HAS THE COLLABORATION BEEN LIKE? WHAT HAS IT ANALOG BEEN LIKE? SO THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, UH, WE HAD BEEN HAVING DIALOGUE WITH STAFF, UH, GETTING FEEDBACK AND INPUT. AND THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT T H C STAFF DID SUGGEST THAT, UH, WERE TO IMPROVE THE PLAN. WE ACCEPTED THOSE COMMENTS, UH, AND I CAN ASK KENDRA TO STEP UP AND HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THOSE ARE. BUT TO BE CLEAR, THERE HAS BEEN ONGOING OPEN DIALOGUE WITH T H C. THE PLAN THAT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE APPROVED LAST WEEK IS REFLECTIVE OF THE T H C STAFF COMMENTS, WHICH AGAIN, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO STAFF, THE DESIGN TEAM, UH, WE DID ACCEPT. AND THEN THE SECOND PART, AND MAYBE KENDRA, YOU CAN TOUCH ON THIS AS WELL. I THINK IT WAS REGARDING ANY TREE RELOCATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT OR TREES THAT WOULD BE PLANTED. IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER FISH? ARE YOU STILL HERE WITH US? I, I, I CAN JUMP INTO THE FIRST ONE AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE GET BACK TO THE SECOND ONE. SO, YEAH, SO THE, UM, ENGAGEMENT, THERE WAS EARLY ENGAGEMENT, UM, WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STAGE OF WORK, UH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN EARLY TECHNICAL PACKAGE OF DRAWINGS. IT HAS, UH, DESIGN SOLUTIONS IN IT, MATERIAL SELECTIONS. UM, AND WE, WE TAKE THAT AND WE, UH, GIVE IT TO THE T H C. IT'S AN INFORMAL REVIEW. 'CAUSE THEY WANNA SEE FINAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. THEY WANNA KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, UH, BUT THEY, THEY WILL GIVE YOU SOME HINTS EARLY IN THE PROCESS. SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT OR THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT DOCUMENTS AT THAT TIME, UH, USED THE DRILL PIER SYSTEM THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED, UM, THAT WAS GIVEN TO US. WELL, AT THAT TIME, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ORIGINALLY PRESENTED THAT IDEA. THAT WAS OUR, AND THEN OUR SECOND STRUCTURAL ENGINEER PRESENTED THAT IDEA ORIGINALLY BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THAT EARLY SET OF DOCUMENTS FROM T H C, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THEY WERE, UH, NOT PLEASED WITH THAT APPROACH. SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND CAME UP WITH A DIFFERENT APPROACH, UH, AND THAT DIFFERENT APPROACH. SO YEAH, THE THING THAT'S ON THE BOARD NOW WAS THE ORIGINAL ONE. UH, THAT NEW APPROACH IS THE ONE THAT WE PRESENTED TONIGHT. UH, PRIOR TO THEIR VOTING AND, UH, UH, APPROVING THE PROJECT, UH, THEY WERE GIVEN SITE TOURS. SO THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THE SITE, LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN A LOT OF DETAIL, AND REALLY SEE, UH, THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER TIME. UH, UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, UH, RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES ON THE SITE. UH, AND TO MAKE A WELL-INFORMED DECISION BOTH ON PREVIOUS WORK THAT WE HAD GIVEN THEM, UH, REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE BASED ON THEIR OBSERVATIONS, UH, AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT SITE TOUR THAT THEY WERE GIVEN TO. UH, DIG INTO THAT. AND THE, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR SECOND QUESTION? YES, THANKS FOR THAT. THE, THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, UH, RELATED TO IF YOU WERE DIRECTED, UH, TO PURSUE AN ALTERNATE PLAN THAT WAS NOT, UH, IN THE DOCUMENTS PRESENTED THAT WERE PERMITTED BY THE T H C, WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS LOOK LIKE, UH, IN TERMS OF TIME OR STEPS TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION THAT MAY PROTECT ADDITIONAL TREES? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I AM, UH, NOT AT THIS POINT AWARE OF AN ALTERNATE SOLUTION, UH, THAT WOULD MEET THE, UH, THE LAWS, THE REGULATIONS, THE CODES, AND JUST HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE ISSUES, UH, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, THERE ARE PLACES IN THE WORLD, I SUPPOSE, WHERE, UH, ARTIFACTS LIKE THIS ARE TREATED AS RUINS AND THEY'RE JUST SORT OF LEFT THAT WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO INTERPRET. UH, I DON'T THINK THAT MEETS THE, UM, THE STANDARD THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO, YOU KNOW, IT WANTS TO PURSUE OR THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY A GOOD IDEA. UM, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, YOU, YOU MIGHT END UP WITH SUCH A RESULT LIKE THAT WHERE IT'S JUST SORT OF, UM, RELICS THAT, THAT, THAT WORD THAT, UH, WE DON'T WANNA SAY THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BECOME. UM, YEAH. AND, UM, I, I'D AUGMENT THAT, UH, TO TALK ABOUT PROCESS. ANY MATERIAL CHANGES TO THE PLAN, UH, THAT T H C APPROVED, UH, WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO T H C AND, AND ONE, ONE, JUST, UH, MAYBE AN EXTENSION OF THAT, IF I MAY, IS CAN, CAN YOU OUTLINE WHAT [05:20:01] THE PROCESS IS IS, UH, GOING FORWARD WITH THE TREATMENT PLAN THAT I BELIEVE WILL BE SUBMITTED, UH, TO, UH, OUR STAFF AT O H P AND UH, T H C THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS? SO WE, WE STILL HAVE A PROCESS WITH THE T H C AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS TO PRESENT A TREATMENT PLAN, UH, TO THEM. UM, IT IS, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL TO THE ANTIQUITIES PERMIT THAT THEY APPROVED LAST WEEK, UM, AND THE ARCHEOLOGICAL PERMIT THAT THEY APPROVED LAST WEEK. UM, AND IT IS ESSENTIALLY A, UM, A DOCUMENTED TREATMENT PLAN THAT SHOWS THEM, UH, KIND OF STEP BY STEP HOW WE PLAN TO ADDRESS PRETTY MUCH, UH, UM, EVERY AREA OF, UH, THE WALLS BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN, IN MULTIPLE OR DIFFERENT STATES OF, UM, DISREPAIR. AND SO, UH, WE HAVE CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THAT TREATMENT PLAN. NOW, ONCE IT'S COMPLETE, WE, UH, WE DO SHARE THAT WITH THE T H C. UM, THEY ARE SECONDARY TO THE CORE. THE CORE WILL ALSO REVIEW THAT TREATMENT PLAN. UM, AND THAT WILL BE PART OF, UH, OF THEIR PROCESS IN, IN ORDER TO, UH, TO SECURE PERMITS FROM THEM AS WELL. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH, I THINK SO. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT FOR A SECOND ROUND FOR THOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW WITH, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH'S TOPIC BECAUSE I TOO HAVE JUST BEEN HAVING A HECK OF A TIME UNDERSTANDING THE VARIETY, THE VARIETY OF JURISDICTIONS INVOLVED, AND THE PACKAGES AND THE PROCESSES. SO, UM, TO THAT POINT, UM, THE PACKAGE WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? IS IT A, IS IT A DD IT'S ABOVE DD. IS IT LIKE F 40% INTO C? IT'S A, I WOULD CALL IT A 95% COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. 95. YEAH. OKAY. MAY, MAYBE, UM, YEAH, THERE WAS MAYBE 98. YEAH. OKAY. UM, I ATTENDED THE T H C, UH, VOTE EARLIER THIS WEEK. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT SET THIS IS OR WHAT SET THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT THEY MOVED TO AUTHORIZE TO, UM, GRANT THE PERMIT RELATED TO PHASE 1 20 17, BOND AT BRACKEN RIDGE PARK, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, CONTINGENT UPON RECEIPT OF AN UPDATED PLAN SET, REFLECTING THE PROPOSED PROJECT CHANGES WHAT PLAN SET, UPDATED PLAN SET, WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YES, MA'AM. I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO THOSE WERE THE UPDATED CHANGES THAT, UH, HOMER REFERRED TO ABOUT FIVE OR 10 MINUTES AGO. UH, WE HAD ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED A PLAN, UH, THAT SHOWED, AND I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE A, CAN WE BRING UP THE, THE, THE ACTUAL SET CONSTRUCTION SET, AND MAYBE I CAN SHOW THEM HOW'S IT, HOW'S IT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY? SO, UH, I INITIALLY, WE HAD PROPOSED TO REMOVE A COUPLE OF SETS OF, UM, UH, SUBMERGED STAIRS WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIVER. UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PICTURE ON THE PROPOSAL, UH, OR ON THE PRESENTATION ACTUALLY, THAT KIND OF SHOWED A COUPLE OF THOSE STEPS THAT WERE BELOW THE WATER. WE HAD PROPO PROPOSED TO REMOVE THOSE. UM, AND THE T H C STAFF FELT LIKE THAT WAS NOT, UM, IN STEP WITH, UH, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THEY CONSIDER EVEN THOSE REMNANTS OF STEPS UNDERNEATH THE WATER HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AND SO THEY HAD ASKED, UH, OR HAD TOLD US, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU REMOVING THOSE STEPS. UM, AND WE WOULD, UH, UM, UH, RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP THOSE THERE. SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT WE AGREED TO CHANGE. UH, THE SECOND ITEM THAT WE AGREED TO CHANGE IS ALONG THE GRAND STAIRCASE, UH, IN THE GRAND STAIRCASE AREA. UH, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL 95% SET THAT WE HAD SENT TO THE T H C STAFF THAT, UM, UH, THERE WERE SOME, SOME CHANGES TO THE ALIGNMENT OF SOME OF THE STEPS JUST TO KIND OF, UM, SYNC THEM UP MORE IN LINE WITH, UM, WITH EVEN TREADS, EVEN RISERS, THAT SORT OF THING. UM, AND SO THEY FELT LIKE THAT WAS NOT IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THE ORIENTATION OF THE STEPS, EVEN THOUGH THE STEP, THE WHOLE, THE STEPS AS A WHOLE IN GENERAL WOULD STILL BE THERE. THEY WANTED US TO FOLLOW THE ORIENTATION AND THE ORIGINAL SETUP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND SO THEY, THEY ASKED FOR A REVISION TO THE GRAND STAIRCASE AS WELL. AND SO, UH, WE TALKED IT OVER WITH THE DESIGN TEAM, UM, AND, UH, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, AND FELT LIKE THAT WAS ALSO ANOTHER CHANGE [05:25:01] THAT WE COULD ACCEPT. SO WE MADE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS, THOSE TWO ADJUSTMENTS, AND WE RESUBMITTED TO STAFF MM-HMM. . BUT I THINK AT THE TIME, UM, THAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONER SAW IT LAST WEEK, MAYBE THEY HADN'T SEEN THAT, UM, UH, THAT SECOND SET OF PLANS UHHUH IN, UH, IN FRONT OF THEM. BUT STAFF, UH, T H C STAFF DID HAVE, DID HAVE IT. OKAY. OKAY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION SAKE, UM, SO CAN WE SAY THAT AS OF TODAY, THAT PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED BY T H C? OR IS THAT IN THE PROCESS OF STILL BEING REVIEWED? UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE PERMIT HAS BEEN APPROVED. UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER IN HAND. OKAY. BUT I THINK THE TREATMENT PLAN IS PART OF THAT PROCESS. OKAY. AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE OUTSTANDING AND NO, MA'AM. UM, TELL ME ABOUT, UM, WHERE THE SECTION 1 0 6 REVIEW OCCURS AND HOW THAT WORKS, BECAUSE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. YES, MA'AM. SO, I, I, I AM NOT, UH, AN EXPERT ON THE 1 0 6 REVIEW. UM, I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH IT. WE HAVE THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS WHO, UM, ARE WORKING ON THAT FOR US. BUT THAT PROCESS IS WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND THE T H C, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A DIFFERENT REVIEW TYPE. SO THE, THE ANTIQUITIES PERMIT THAT THE COMMISSION HAVE ALREADY APPROVED IS A REQUIREMENT BASED ON THE DESIGNATION OF THE, OF THE PARK AS AN SS A L A STATE ANTIQUITY. MARK, EXCUSE ME. CO CAN YOU GET THE VOLUME UP ON YOUR MIC? I CAN'T, BUT THE GUY IN THE BACK CAN. THERE IT IS. THERE IT IS. THANK YOU. IT'S, I'LL START OVER. UM, THE PERMIT THAT WAS JUST APPROVED BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION WAS A REQUIREMENT DUE TO THE DESIGNATION OF THE PARK AS A STATE ANTIQUITIES LANDMARK. THE TYPES OF REVIEWS AND PERMITS AND APPROVALS THAT ARE REQUIRED ARE GONNA DEPEND BASED ON WHO'S INVOLVED, WHAT DESIGNATIONS ARE ON THE PROPERTY, WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF FUNDING, UM, AND ANYTIME THAT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS INVOLVED IN A PROJECT THAT FEDERALIZES IT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO MEET A FEDERAL REVIEW STANDARD. AND SO THAT INCLUDES SECTION 1 0 6. UM, GENERALLY THE, THE ESTATE ANTIQUITIES REVIEW PERMIT, UM, IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED MORE STRINGENT THAN 1 0 6. 1 0 6 IS MORE GENERAL. UM, BUT IT IS ANOTHER KIND OF STEP IN THE PROCESS. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE MOST STRINGENT, UM, REVIEW HAS ALREADY OCCURRED WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE, OR THE APPROVAL OF THE PERMIT BY THE STATE. UM, AND SO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA REVIEW IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING. UM, BUT IT IS ANOTHER, UM, REQUIREMENT DUE TO THE FEDERALIZATION OF THE PROJECT. SO WE'LL BE FACILITATING THAT ALONG WITH THE CORE PERMIT. AND WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON THAT ANTICIPATED TIMELINE? SOON? YEAH. OH, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE? YES. I MEAN, IT'S A 30 DAY REVIEW. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT WILL INVOLVE NOTIFICATION OF, OF CONSULTING PARTIES, INCLUDING FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO, I WILL HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO GO, I'LL DO 'EM DURING THE SECOND AND THIRD AND FOURTH ROUND. YES. COMMISSIONER GRU. ACTUALLY, JUST A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS HERE IN THE CITY? SO WE, UH, WE APPROVE AND THEN WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? OR WHATEVER WE VOTE ON HERE. YEAH. THE, THE QUESTION IS, WHAT'S NEXT AFTER TONIGHT? WELL, WE WOULD, UM, NEED TO BRING, UH, AND SUBMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. NO, THE GOVER. SO WE STILL, IS THAT ANSWERING YOUR, DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO WE'RE THE GOVERNING DECIDING BODY AT THE END HERE. IT DOESN'T GO TO CITY COUNCIL, IT DOESN'T GO TO ANYBODY ELSE. CORRECT. THE DESIGN DOESN'T, THE DESIGN ITSELF DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL. IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS ANY OTHER PROJECT. OKAY. UM, AND THEN JUST, UH, I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION IS, SO WHAT IF DURING THE REHAB THERE'S OTHER PIECES OF WALLS OR, I MEAN, WE DID A SITE VISIT, I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY CLEAR WHAT'S GONNA BE REHABBED AND WHAT'S NOT. IF SOMETHING ELSE, DO YOU THEN COME BACK TO US OR DOES JUST GO TO LEVEL OF STAFF LEVEL? IT, IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THAT WAS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT SOMETIMES HAPPEN WHERE IT HAPPENS WHERE SOMETHING UNEXPECTED COMES UP. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH APPROVALS AND STAFF CAN REVIEW IT, THEN WE WOULD. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT CHANGES THE SPIRIT OF THE APPROVAL, THEN IT MIGHT TRIGGER RE-REVIEW BY H D R C AND THE STATE AS WELL, POTENTIALLY. YEAH. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF ONE OF THE TREES REMOVED AND MORE WALLS FALLS DOWN, THEN THAT REMAINS, WE'RE NOT A WALL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO JUST BE, YOU KNOW, STABILIZED IS NOW GONNA BE REBUILT. THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A TRIGGER TO THE STATE AS WELL. RIGHT. IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE TREATMENT THAT WAS APPROVED, THEN YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH. JUST FROM YOUR PLANNING PROCESS AND HOW YOU LOOKED AT THIS, DID YOU APPROACH THIS WITH A PREFERENCE TOWARDS PRESERVING THE HISTORIC WALL AND THE BRICKS AND WHATNOT? OR DID YOU APPROACH IT WITH PRESERVING THE VEGETATION OF THE LANDSCAPE? WHAT WAS YOUR PRIORITY IN YOUR METHODOLOGY WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT? AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ANGLED [05:30:01] IT OVER, UH, OR UNDER 80 DEGREES OR UNDER, YOU KNOW, UH, 75 DEGREES. YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF PRESENTS A DANGER, YOU KNOW, TREES THAT ARE LEANING OVER QUITE A BIT ARE A DANGER. BUT FROM YOUR PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, HOW DID YOU APPROACH IT? PRESERVATION OF WHAT? AS A PRIORITY? YEAH. SO THE DAY WE GOT THE PROJECT AND STARTED IT, UH, WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN MY OFFICE, WHICH, UH, THIS DAY IS PROOF WE WERE RIGHT. UH, THAT CONVERSATION WAS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION MADE BETWEEN PRESERVING WALLS AND PRESERVING TREES, AND THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO, TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC, UH, TREES. ANY TREES. UH, SO THAT WAS DAY ONE THAT WE GOT THE PROJECT. UH, WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE THE DRIVING ISSUE. SO YEAH, OUR APPROACH WAS TO LOOK EXTREMELY HARD AT BOTH OF THOSE. UM, THERE ARE MANY, THERE, THERE ARE RULES THAT WE MUST FOLLOW ABOUT TREES, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A TREES YOU CAN TAKE AND TREES YOU CANNOT TAKE. UM, AND IF YOU TAKE A TREE, YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR IT. WE'RE DOING ALL THAT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE MANY MORE RULES AND REGULATIONS ABOUT THE CULTURAL ARTIFACTS. UM, AND SO THOSE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU START TO PULL THAT THREAD AND YOU START TO TRY TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DO THIS? WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES? HOW DO WE TAKE ALL THE STUFF THAT'S FALLING APART? HOW DO YOU PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN SO THAT YOU ARE MEETING THOSE RULES, UH, THE SPIRIT OF ALL THAT. UM, HOW DO YOU DO IT? SO IT WAS, UH, FROM DAY ONE, A BALANCE. UH, IT WASN'T LIKE, LET'S SAVE TREES, AND IT WASN'T LET'S PRESERVE WALLS. IT WAS, HOW DO WE DO BOTH THOSE THINGS AND HOW DO WE MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE LAWS AND AGREEMENTS THAT THAT HAD BEEN MADE BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED? SO, AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF, AND THEN I, I, IF I HAVE ANOTHER ONE, I'LL GO NEXT ROUND TOO, MR. CHAIR. UM, HISTORICALLY FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUILDUP HERE, THE WALL, THE RES, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT? I KNOW TO PROVIDE A BATHING AREA, BUT WHEN IT WAS BUILT, WE, WE'VE HEARD THE, WE'VE HEARD THE, UM, I GUESS SOME OF THE ABSTRACT, HEY, IT WAS, IT WAS DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THE TREES AND PRESERVE THE VEGETATION. WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT WALL WHEN IT WAS BUILT? YES, SIR. I, I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WALL WAS, UM, ESSENTIALLY TO RETAIN THE SOIL AND PROVIDE AN AREA OF ACCESS, UH, TO THE RIVER. UM, I, I KNOW YOU, YOU, UM, SAID, OR YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE MENTION HOW THOSE WALLS, UH, THOSE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS WERE BUILT TO PROTECT THE TREES BEHIND THEM. UM, THAT COMES FROM THE, UM, UH, THE NATIONAL, UH, REGISTER APPLICATION, UM, NARRATIVE. UH, AND THE WALLS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT ARE THE WALLS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE LATE THIRTIES AND EARLY FORTIES, WHICH ARE THE W P A ERA WALLS, WHICH ARE NOT THOSE LAMBERT BEACH WALLS. THOSE LAMBERT WALLS WERE BUILT, UH, BETWEEN 1915 AND 1925. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL REGISTER APPLICATION, AND YOU READ THAT NARRATIVE, AND IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THEY NEED TO BUILD WALLS TO PROTECT THE TREES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE WALLS THAT GO DOWNSTREAM OF LAMBERT BEACH, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LOW WATER CROSSING. IT'S STONEWALL ALL THE WAY DOWN. AND THEN THE STONE WALLS THAT GO UPSTREAM OF LAMBERT BEACH, WHICH GO ALL THE WAY UPSTREAM ABOUT, OH, MAN, I CAN'T EVEN GUESS HOW MANY LINEAR FEET, BUT SEVERAL HUNDRED CLOSE, PROBABLY OVER A THOUSAND LINEAR FEET OF RIVER WALL THAT GOES, UM, UPSTREAM ALL THE WAY TO THE VERY NORTHERN PORTION OF THE WITTY PROPERTY, UH, OVER BY THE OLD AT AND T PROPERTY, UH, WHICH NOW BELONGS TO INCARNATE WORD. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE WALLS THAT THEY WERE DESIGNATING NEEDED TO BE BUILT IN ORDER TO PROTECT TREES ALONG THE SAN ANTONIO RIVER. AND THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT, UM, IN THE THIRTIES AND FORTIES, SO THAT THAT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN BE, UM, ADDRESSING OR TALKING ABOUT THE WALLS THAT WERE BUILT, UH, A DECADE OR 15 TO 20 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT. SO THE REINFORCEMENT WAS TO, IT'S OVERALL TO PREVENT EROSION, TO PREVENT, RUN OUT, TO KEEP THE AREA SHAPE THE WAY IT IS CORRECT, TO PREVENT EROSION FROM, UM, UH, FROM THAT BANK, AND TO PROVIDE A PLACE FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO ACCESS THE RIVER TO GET TO THOSE STEPS. UH, THE STEPS THAT ARE, UH, SUBMERGED. UM, THOSE REMNANTS OF STEPS ACTUALLY WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE CONCRETE WALL THAT YOU SEE THERE. SO IT WAS STEPS FOR PEOPLE TO GET DOWN INTO THE SWIMMING AREA, UM, AND FOR THAT SIDEWALK, FOR THAT FIVE TO SIX FEET BETWEEN THE RIVER WALL AND THE LAMBERT WALLS BEHIND THEM, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WALKING AREA TO ACCESS [05:35:01] THE RIVER. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GIBBS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SO, UM, MY LAST FELLOW COMMISSIONER, MY LAST COMMISSIONER THAT SPOKE, KIND OF STOLE MY THUNDER FROM SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA ASK 'EM ANYWAY BECAUSE I, I WANNA GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. SO, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL HERE TODAY WITH H D R C H D R C? YOU KNOW, DENIES OR WERE NOT, OR VOTE DOESN'T GO IN YOUR FAVOR. HAVE YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED SAVING ALL OF THE TREES OR JUST HAVE YOU PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, AND, UM, IF THE WALLS ARE THERE TO MAINTAIN THE SOIL, THEN WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST, YOU KNOW, DO THE WALL, PUSH THE WALLS OUT, THE MAINTAIN THAT SOIL TO TRY TO SAVE THE TREES? YEAH, SO WE, AND THE PLAN BEFORE, UH, H D R C TODAY IS TO SAVE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TREES BASED ON ADDITIONAL REVIEWS THAT WE HAVE DONE. SO THIS IS OUR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE SAVING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN. NOW, A, UM, COMPONENT OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, JAMAL JUST FINISHED TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT FOR THESE WALLS WERE AND, AND HOW THE SPACE IS USED TODAY. THIS PARK AND THIS PART OF THE PARK, IT IS, UM, HAS BEEN FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND AFTER THIS PROJECT, IT WILL BE FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND BECAUSE OF ITS DESIGN INTENDED TO CONNECT THE COMMUNITY TO THE SPACE, UM, WE SAW IMAGES EARLIER WHERE, UH, SOME OF THE LAMBERT WALLS ARE JUST GONE, AND THOSE WERE SPACES THAT PUBLIC USED TO COME AND FISH. SO PART OF THIS IS ALSO KEEPING AND PRIORITIZING, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE AREA, HAVING A VERY BALANCED APPROACH FOR WHAT KINDER OUTLINED EARLIER, WORKING WITHIN REGULATORY PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES, AND NOT NECESSARILY PRIORITIZING HISTORIC STRUCTURES OVER ANYTHING ELSE. BUT KNOWING THE FRAMEWORK OF WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT, MAKING SURE IT'S BALANCED WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY, IS A MUCH BETTER PROJECT. AND IT IS BECAUSE OF THAT ENGAGEMENT FOR WELL OVER A YEAR, LAST SPRING AND SUMMER, WITH THE COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE, BEING RESPONSIVE TO WHAT WE HEARD, AND DEMONSTRATING THAT THROUGH THE UPDATED PLAN THAT WE HAVE BEFORE, UH, THE COMMISSION TODAY. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? Y YES, I HAD A QUESTION. WE WERE, UH, SHOWN AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE TO THE L-SHAPED FOUNDATION OF THE WALLS, WHICH WAS A PIER. WERE THOSE, UM, STUDIED AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE? IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR, AT LEAST THE ENGINEERS WHO SENT IT WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT BEING A VERY STRONG WAY TO SUPPORT THE WALLS, MINIMIZING THE INTRUSION ON THE ROOTS AND TREES. WERE THOSE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED? THEY, THEY WERE, BUT I CAN ASK MY DESIGN TEAM TO, UH, ELABORATE ON THAT. WHY DON'T WE HAVE OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. OKAY. MY NAME IS SEAN FRANKIE WITH LUNDY AND FRANKIE ENGINEERING. I'M THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER CURRENTLY ON THE PROJECT. YES, THOSE ITEMS WERE, THOSE WERE OUR FIRST, OUR FIRST THOUGHTS, AND THE FIRST WAY WE WANTED TO LOOK AT DOING THAT. HOWEVER, AS KINDER, UH, EXPLAINED THAT, UH, WE HAD RULES THAT WE HAD TO FOLLOW, WE COULD, UH, WE CANNOT TOUCH THE FRONT FACE OF THE WALL THAT WAS CAME TO US FROM T H C. SO WE, WHY NOT? I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WHY NOT? I DON'T MAKE RULES . SO THEY, THEY GAVE YOU NO REASON? THEY GAVE US. OKAY, GOT IT. THAT, THAT'S, YEAH. THE REASON WAS THAT THEY, THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S, UH, UH, GUIDELINES FOR HIS, UH, TREATMENT OF HISTORIC STROKES. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO KEEP ON THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SORRY. OKAY. SO YES, THAT WAS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED AT THE VERY BEGINNING AND THEN RECONSIDERED AFTER PUBLIC INPUT. SO YES, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS TWO TIMES AT LEAST, AND WE'VE ALWAYS GONE BACK TO THE, TO THE KENLY RETAINING WALL DESIGN. SO THE MAIN ISSUE THERE IS HOW YOU'D SECURE THE WALL FROM BEHIND WITHOUT TOUCHING THE FRONT. YOU ARE CORRECT. YES. BECAUSE [05:40:01] ONE OF THE, THE FLAWS IN WHAT THE OTHER ENGINEERS ARE PROPOSING IS THAT YOU HAVE TO DRILL INTO THE BACK OF THE WALL. AND SOME OF THE STATEMENTS WERE MADE THAT YOU ONLY NEED EIGHT TO 10 INCHES BEHIND THE BACK OF THE WALL. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. TO INSTALL THE CONCRETE PORTION OF IT. BUT TO PUT A MAN BEHIND THAT WALL AND TO INSTALL THOSE ANCHORS, YOU CANNOT, SOMEBODY EARLIER SAID THAT THEY TALKED TO OSHA. WELL, OSHA'S NOT GONNA LET YOU PUT A MAN IN A 12 INCH WIDE WALL BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID OF PUBLIC SAFETY. AND WE KNOW SOME, WE, WE ARE NOT OSHA EXPERTS EITHER, BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO STEP IT BACK. SO ALL OF THE PROPOSED ONES BY THE OTHER ENGINEERS, IF YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW WHAT T H C HAS TOLD US, AND, UM, THE OTHER RULES THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING OF NOT TOUCHING THE FRONT OF THE WALL, WE HAVE TO DRILL INTO THE BACK, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO PUT SOMEBODY BEHIND THAT WALL. AND YOU CANNOT PUT A PERSON BEHIND A WALL IN A 12 INCH SPACE. ONE, THE HAMMER DRILL THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE IS GONNA BE A MINIMUM OF 18 INCHES WIDE, THE INSTRUMENTS JUST TO INSTALL IT. AND THAT'S NOT JUST PUTTING A PERSON IN A WALL ON AN UN UNSECURED FACE OF DIRT. YOU COULD HAVE A FAILURE AND HAVE A DEATH. SO THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE ALSO. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM DESIGN ALL THE WAY THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, AND WE DON'T THINK THOSE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED. UM, CAN I, LET ME JUST ADD ONE THING TO MAKE SURE IT'S AB ABUNDANTLY CLEAR. UM, WE, WE DID DISCUSS ONSITE WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION MEMBERS, THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ABOUT THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE, THERE WERE PROPOSALS FROM OTHER ENGINEERS TO TAKE THE WALLS DOWN, AT LEAST IN SECTIONS, PUT IT IN, PUT THE SPAN PEER AND SPANDREL IN, AND BUILD IT BACK UP. AND THE COMMISSIONERS CONFIRMED THAT THAT IN THEIR VIEW WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY DID EXPLORE THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES AND STILL REACH THE CONCLUSION THAT THEY REACHED. OKAY, THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE ABOUT TREES FOR THE PARK. UH, ONE IS, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURE FOR MOVING THE, THE PROPOSED MOVE OF THE 44 INCH TREE AND WHAT THAT COMPANY HAS REPORTED TO YOU IN TERMS OF, UM, THE VIABILITY OF THAT, THAT, UH, PROJECT FOR THE LIFE OF THE TREE? AND ALSO, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, STUDY DONE ON CORING THE MANY OF THE TREES TO FIND OUT THEIR AGES. IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO WHAT THE AGES OF THE TREES ARE. UH, YES. AGAIN, UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROSS HOSEA. I MANAGE THE URBAN FORESTRY, UM, DIVISION WITHIN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. UM, SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION REGARDING THE 44 INCH TREE TREE 1 0 1, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN BEGUN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FIRM, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. THEY'RE OUTTA HOUSTON. THEY'RE CONSIDERED THE WORLDWIDE MOVER IN, IN RELOCATING TREES. I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ON ALL OF THOSE TREES. UM, AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US IS THEY WILL NOT AGREE TO MOVE A TREE THAT THEY ARE NOT ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN THAT THEY CAN GET SURVIVAL ON. NOW, THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE. UM, NOT EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, BUT THEY DO HAVE A VERY HIGH TRACK RECORD. UM, A LOT GOES INTO MOVING A TREE LIKE THAT. SO ONCE WE GIVE THEM THE GREEN LIGHT, IT'LL START WITH A LOT OF PREP. SO THEY'LL BE DOING SOIL WORK, UNCOVERING THE ROOT COLLAR, DOING SOME PRUNING, ROOT PRUNING, CANOPY PRUNING, FERTILIZATION, LOTS OF THINGS TO GET THAT TREE, UM, IN A, IN A PROPER CONDITION. UH, THEN YOU HAVE THE MOVING STATE WHERE THEY START, UM, DIGGING THE TRENCH. IT'S ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE NOT PICKING THE TREE UP. IT'S TOO BIG TO DO THAT. UH, THEY DIG A, A TRENCH OUT A NUMBER OF FEET ON EITHER SIDE, UH, AND THEN THEY HAVE AN AREA BEHIND IT THAT THEY WILL EXCAVATE. THEY ESSENTIALLY PUT PIPES, LARGE PIPES UNDERNEATH THE TREE. THEY GET A LARGE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, AND THEY ESSENTIALLY SLIDE THE TREE BACK, UM, TO ITS NEW LOCATION AND THEN COVER EVERYTHING BACK UP. UM, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE NOT DONE EITHER. NOW THERE'S A LOT OF POST CARE THAT GOES IN AFTER THAT. UM, AND THAT CAN BE FOR YEARS. IT COULD INVOLVE, UM, UH, FERTILIZATION, UH, ADDITIONAL PRUNING IF NEEDED, WATERING A LOT OF MONITORING. AND THEY DO BRING IN ADDITIONAL EXPERTS TO DO THAT. UM, SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE ON THE 44? YES. OKAY. AND THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, I'VE ALREADY FORGOTTEN, UH, THE AGES OF THE TREES. OKAY, PERFECT. UM, SO WE DID, UH, WE, WE, UM, HIRED A ENDOCRINOLOGIST OUT OF JOE BUCK IS HIS NAME. HE'S OUT OF THE DALLAS AREA. UM, HE HAS A PRIVATE BUSINESS, AND HE PROFESSIONALLY CAN CORE AND AGE THOSE TREES. SO THE PROCESS WAS, HE COMES IN, HE HAS A, A, [05:45:01] A, A TOOL CALLED AN INCREMENT BOARD, TAKES A VERY SMALL CORE OUT OF THE TREE, ABOUT A QUARTER INCH DIAMETER HOLE, PULLS A PLUG OF WOOD OUT OF IT, HE PRESERVES IT, TAKES IT BACK, PREPS IT, AND THEN GOES THROUGH A WHOLE, UM, MICROSCOPIC ANALYSIS OF THIS, UH, OF THESE, UH, LIVE OAKS ARE DIFFICULT TO AGE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THEY GROW. UM, THEY GET WHAT WE CALL FALSE RINGS. SO HE HAS TO DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS ON THAT. UH, IN THE AREA ON TREE 90, WE WERE ABLE TO GET TWO CORES OUT OF THE OAKS. UM, TREE NUMBER 95 AND TREE NUMBER 100. BOTH OF THOSE AGED NEARLY THE SAME. THE ESTIMATED AGE ON BOTH OF THOSE. TREE 95 WAS ESTIMATED AT 76 YEARS, WHICH WOULD GIVE IT A PITH YEAR. WHAT WE'VE STARTED ESTABLISHED HERE OF 1947. AND THEN TREE 100 HAS AN AGE OF 78 WITH THE FIFTH YEAR OF 1945. NOW, THESE DO HAVE A MARGIN OF ERROR OF PLUS OR MINUS THREE YEARS IS WHAT HE PUT ON THESE. SO WE KNOW THEY COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM SAY, 73 AS UP TO MAYBE EARLY EIGHTIES. 80, 81 WOULD BE THE AGES THAT WE WOULD PUT ON THAT. WE DID ATTEMPT TO, TO AGE THE 44 INCH TREE. HOWEVER, THAT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. THE SIZE CORE OR BOAR THAT IS REQUIRED TO GO IN, THEY'RE BROKE AND GOING IN. AND IN FACT, ON ONE OF THE TREES THAT WE DID GET AN AGE, ACTUALLY THE CORE ON THAT ONE ALSO BROKE ON THE WAY OUT. SO IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. WE WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY WE WERE ABLE TO GET AT LEAST A COUPLE OF AGES OUT OF THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. UH, THE, ALL THIS DISCUSSION REMINDS ME OF A, A SAYING MY DAD USED TO, USED TO SAY, WHICH IS, NONE OF US ARE AS SMART AS ALL OF US. AND SO, UH, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE. I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE, FOR THE CITY STAFF. SO IT'S CLEAR THAT, THAT SOME MEMBERS, UH, OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT, UH, DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT IS FOR THEM. SO WOULD THE CITY CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF INTERPRETIVE DISPLAYS OR MONUMENTS TO CELEBRATE SAN ANTONIO'S DIVERSITY, UH, AS A STIPULATION OF APPROVAL? THE, UH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. AND WHAT I CAN ALSO SHARE IS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS LAST SPRING AND SUMMER, THAT WAS SOMETHING VERY CLEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT THE HISTORIES OF THE PARK, THE STORIES, THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THAT, UM, HAVE IMPACTED THE PART THAT IT ALL MEANS SOMETHING TO THEM. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO CAPTURE THAT. THIS PIECE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT WE PRESENTED TODAY, BUT WE HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT. AND THAT HAS NOT CHANGED FROM LAST SUMMER TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, IN THAT WE WILL CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION AND INCLUDE IT IN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S INTERPRETIVE DESIGN, DESIGN PACKAGE, WE DON'T KNOW YET. BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE FULLY INTEND TO DO. COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WHERE THE, WHERE THE CHAIRMAN'S LINE OF QUESTIONING, UH, WAS GOING. AND, UH, BEGINNING WITH TREE 1 0 1, THE RELOCATION IS A SLIDE WITHOUT ANY REORIENTATION OF UP TO 15 FEET, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT 15 FEET IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE, THE, THE SAFETY OF THE WALL OR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL AND THE SAFETY OF THE TREE. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT IS THE, THE MOTIVATING FACTOR FOR MO FOR SPINNING THE ENERGY AND RESOURCES TO MOVE IT 15 FEET? UH, THERE'S A COUPLE FACTORS IN THERE. THE FIRST IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CLEARANCE AWAY, UM, FROM THE WALL SO THAT WE CAN REBUILD THE WALL SO THEY HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO DIG THAT TRENCH AND BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE. PLUS GIVING ENOUGH DISTANCE THAT WE KNOW AS THE TREE CONTINUES TO GROW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS. THE OTHER THING IS, IDEALLY IF WE COULD GO BACK EVEN FURTHER, WE WOULD, BUT WE'RE LIMITED IN OUR SPACE. AND SO THAT WAS THE, THE IDEAL DISTANCE THAT WAS DETERMINED THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE, UM, ABILITY TO MOVE AS WELL AS, UM, PROTECTION OF THE, OF THE RESOURCE AND ALLOW THE, THE CONSTRUCTION TO TAKE PLACE. NOW ON TREE 100 WAS A SIMILAR, UM, OPTIONS STUDIED. AND WHY OR WHY NOT WAS THAT TREE NOT CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE FOR RELOCATION? SO, ORIGINALLY WHEN WE, UM, TALKED TO E D I ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN, UM, ONE OF THE CONSTRAINTS WE GAVE THEM AT THE VERY BEGINNING WAS, WELL, IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WALLS COULD NOT COME DOWN. AND SO THEY HAD TO WORK WITHIN THAT BECAUSE THAT WALL IS ON TWO SIDES OF THAT TREE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO. THERE WAS NO WAY THEY COULD, UM, ADEQUATELY RELOCATE THAT TREE WITH THE WALL BEING THERE. ONCE THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, OUTSIDE ENGINEERS STARTED COMING IN ABOUT TAKING THE WALL DOWN, WE SAID, WELL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND LET'S SEE IF WE COULD MOVE IT. IF THE WALLS WERE DOWN. WE DID GO BACK TO E D I AND ASK THAT VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. AND [05:50:01] THEY SAID, STILL, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF ROOT VOLUME, IT WASN'T JUST, THE WALL WASN'T THE ONLY LIMITING FACTOR, EVEN IF THE WALL WASN'T THERE, YOU HAVE LIMITING ROOT VOLUME ON TWO SIDES OF THE TREE. SO IT'S SIGNIFICANT. THEY DID, AND THAT TREE DOES HAVE A LIEN. THEY DID NOT FEEL IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT IF IT WERE MOVED, UM, THAT IT WOULD BE STABLE IN ITS NEW LOCATION NOW ON TREES. THANKS FOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ON TREES 95, 97, 98, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT I THINK WE CAN SEE LEANING INTO THE WALL, BUT YES, OR, OR AT LEAST SOMEWHAT. WERE ANY OF THESE TREES, UH, STUDIED FOR RELOCATION? BECAUSE I BELIEVE, UH, 95, 97, 98 99 ARE RIGHT NOW DESIGNATED FOR DEMOLITION REMOVAL, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO YES, IT'S THE SAME AS 100. ORIGINALLY WE LOOKED AT IT WITH THE CONSTRAINT OF NOT BEING ABLE TO TOUCH THE WALL OR THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY RULED OUT. UM, IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS GIVEN THE PROXIMITY TO THE WALL. BUT AGAIN, ONCE WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, IF WE COULD TAKE THE WALL DOWN, THEY LOOKED AT, AT THESE, THEY IMMEDIATELY RULED OUT AS WELL. THEY JUST HAVE TOO MUCH LEAN, TOO MUCH ROOT MASS, UH, LOST ON THAT FRONT SIDE. THEY JUST WOULD NOT BE STABLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE. THE OTHER THING TO MOVE THEM THOUGH, AND THOSE IS, IF YOU NOTICE, THERE'S A LARGE TREE BEHIND IT, THAT'S TREE NUMBER 96 RIGHT THERE THAT COREY'S SHOWING. A TREE 96 IS, IS DESIGNATED TO STAY IN PLACE TO PRESERVE IN PLACE. WE COULD NOT MOVE THOSE OTHER TREES WITHOUT DAMAGING THE ROOT SYSTEM OF 96. AND SO NOW, IF WE WERE TRYING TO MOVE THOSE, WE'RE GONNA END UP HAVING ALL SORTS OF OTHER COLLATERAL DAMAGE THAT WAS NOT INTENDED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS TREE 96 IS, UH, PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO THAT AREA TO PRESERVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF THE CANOPY. IS THAT CORRECT? IF WE CAN LOOK AT AN IMAGE OF TREE 96 FROM A DISTANCE, WE CAN SEE THE CANOPY, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. AS CORY'S PUTTING THAT UP? THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS, IT IS A, A VERY TALL TREE ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY AND, AND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, ORIGINAL DESIGNS, IT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE REMOVED. AFTER WE WENT BACK AND REEVALUATED AND REALLY LOOKED AT IT, WE DECIDED THAT WE THINK WE COULD MAKE THAT ONE WORK. SO THAT ONE IS NOW PRESERVED IN PLACE. UM, NO, IT'S GONNA BE FURTHER TO THE LEFT THERE, COREY. IT IS A HERITAGE SIZED TREE. UM, IT'S, IT'S GREATER THAN 24 INCHES. SO YES, IT WAS A, A TREE THAT WAS DETERMINED TO BE VALUABLE TO THE SITE. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE TREES THAT THE DECISION TO PRESERVE IN PLACE HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION, AND I GUESS IT'S OKAY IF WE DON'T SEE THE CANOPY RIGHT, RIGHT HERE AND NOW, UH, RELATED TO TREE 1 0 6, THE CYPRUS, I THINK THAT'S THE CYPRUS NEAR THE PUMP HOUSE. AND THERE WAS SOME, UH, TESTIMONY TODAY FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD INDEED BE COUNTED AS A HERITAGE TREE. AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT TREE AND WHAT, UH, THE SPECIFIC ISSUES ARE AND WHY PRESERVATION IN PLACE IS NOT A, AN OPTION. SORRY, I'M LOOKING. YEAH. UH, JAMAL MARINO WITH PUBLIC WORKS, I CAN TRY TO, TO TACKLE THAT ONE. UM, SO THAT TREE IS, UM, AND THE DESIGN TEAM CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, WITHIN FOUR FEET OR LESS OF THE BACK OF THE WING WALL THAT IS ATTACHED OR PART OF THE, UH, 1878 PUMP HOUSE, 1877. 1878. UM, SO THAT WING WALL IS PRETTY HEFTY STONE, A PRETTY THICK, UH, BUT THAT TREE LIES WITHIN FOUR FEET OR LESS. UM, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE ROOTS, UH, UP AGAINST THAT WING WALL. UH, IN FACT, IF YOU GET UP CLOSE TO THE WING WALL, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE SOME STONES THAT HAVE STARTED TO PUSH OUT. UH, WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT'S FROM, UH, SOME OF THE ROOTS OF THAT, UM, UH, OF THAT CYPRESS TREE. UM, THE CYPRESS TREE IS ALSO IN REALLY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TWO OTHER, UM, HIGHLY VALUABLE CULTURAL RESOURCES IN THAT AREA. ONE IS THE PUMP HOUSE ITSELF, UH, WHICH DATES TO 1878, LIKE I SAID. UH, THE OTHER ONE IS, IT IS WITHIN A FEW FEET OF THE CORNER AND END OF THE BATHHOUSE, WHICH IS THE STRUCTURE ABOVE WITH THE, UH, OVAL SHAPED, UM, WINDOWS OR OR PUNCH THROUGHS THAT YOU SEE. UH, THAT BATHHOUSE, I BELIEVE, DATES TO THE EARLY TO MID THIRTIES, I BELIEVE, SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. UM, AND SO GIVEN, AND ROSS CAN TALK MORE ABOUT ROOTS OF CYPRUS, BUT, UH, GIVEN THE ROOTS AND, AND, UH, ON THE SIZE OF THAT TREE AND THAT TREE BEING SO CLOSE TO THREE, UH, HISTORIC CULTURAL RESOURCES, UM, ESSENTIALLY WE FEEL LIKE, UM, IF IT'S NOT DOING DAMAGE NOW THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, IT WILL START TO DO DAMAGE TO THOSE STRUCTURES IF WE LEAVE IT THERE. [05:55:01] UM, SO, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THIS PROJECT, UH, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY JUST LOOKING AT, UM, WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DATE, BUT WE ALSO HAD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE PROJECT, IF WE LEAVE TREES, WHAT CAN POTENTIALLY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE COMING BACK TO THIS AREA ANYTIME SOON WITH A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR CAPITAL PROJECT TO FIX THINGS THAT, UH, WE COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY MITIGATED TODAY. UM, AND SO THIS TREE KIND OF FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF IF WE CONTINUE, IF WE LEAVE IT THERE, UM, AND IT CONTINUES TO GROW AND GET BIGGER AND PUT ON MORE ROOT MASS, UH, THAT IT WILL START TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT, UH, THOSE THREE, UH, CULTURAL RESOURCES. UM, SO THAT IS PRIMARILY, UM, THE REASONS WHY WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THAT. SO A A FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS THE, THE WALL THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THE RETAINING WALL THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND THE ADJACENT STRUCTURES, IS THERE A PLAN TO BUILD A SHADOW WALL THERE, OR IS THERE THERE NO STABILIZATION WORK, UH, PLAN FOR THAT AREA? THIS WOULD BE THE WING WALL FOR THE WEST WING WALL OF THE PUMP HOUSE. AND IF THERE IS NO, IF THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL WORK, UH, HAPPENING IN AND AROUND THE ROOT ZONE OF THAT TREE AND THE, THE, THE REMOVAL OF THE TREE IS PREVENTATIVE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SOLUTIONS TO PREVENT ENCROACHMENT OF ROOFS INTO THOSE, UH, ART, UH, THE SENSITIVE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPLORED INSTEAD OF REMOVAL? THERE WE GO. OKAY. UH, THE BLUE LINES REPRESENT THIS PARTICULAR DETAIL. SO YES, THAT IS BEING, UH, SHORED UP. UH, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER PIECES THERE, UH, I MEAN, IN, IN EFFECT, EVERY WALL IS BEING SHORED UP BECAUSE, UM, THEY ALL ARE IN, UH, SOME PERIL OF, UM, OF CONTINUED DE UH, DECAY. SO, UM, THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE OF WHY THAT TREE IS, UM, SCHEDULED FOR REMOVAL. SO THE ROOT ZONE WOULD NECESSARILY NEED TO BE IMPACTED FOR THE STABILIZATION OF THE WALL, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, SUBSTANTIALLY, YES. SUBSTANTIALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UH, YEAH. UM, LET'S SEE. TYING BACK TO 1 0 6 WHILE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC. UM, THE SHADOW WALL WILL BE APPROXIMATELY HOW DEEP TO THAT WING WALL AT THE CYPRUS, UH, IN THAT LOCA, I MEAN, IT'S, THIS IS YOUR, SORT OF, YOUR DETAIL NOW IN THAT LOCATION. THAT WALL'S PARTICULARLY TALL. UH, SO THE, UM, THAT'S NOT IT. UH, WELL, IT'S, IT'S UP THERE ON THE TOP RIGHT. UM, THAT'S, OH, RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE IT IS. YES. BUT, SO, I MEAN, WE'RE USING THIS TECHNIQUE, UM, IT'S A PARTICULARLY TALL WALL IN THAT, IN THAT SPOT. RIGHT. SO THAT CREATES AN EXCAVATION THAT IS EVEN FURTHER BACK. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO LAY IT BACK TO SOME, SOME AMOUNT. BUT, UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S THE MORE THAN SIX FEET. MORE THAN 10 FEET. UM, I SIX 10 FEET TYPICALLY AT ABOUT A ONE TO ONE RATIO. SO IF IT'S EIGHT FEET DEEP, YOU END UP WITH EIGHT FEET BACK, AND THEN THERE'S AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S HOW, HOW WIDE IS THE FOUR FEET AT THE BOTTOM? I'M ASKING HOW DEEP THAT SHADOW WALL WOULD BE IN THAT PARTICULAR PLACE. ARE YOU GOING ALL THE WAY, JUST A LITTLE DEEPER THAN THE WALL ITSELF? RIGHT. SO IF THE WALL IS EIGHT FEET, IF YOU SEE EIGHT FEET OF WALL MM-HMM. , THAT SHUTTLE WALL WOULD BE NINE OR 10. OKAY. UM, BECAUSE I DO, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TREE AS WELL. IT, OF ALL THE TREES ALONG THAT NORTH BANK, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY HEALTHY. IT HAS GREAT STRUCTURE AND GREAT FORM. AND NOW HEARING ABOUT HEARING ABOUT THE REASON WHY IT'S BEING MOVED, IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. UM, MAYBE IT WAS THE OPEN HOUSE THAT WAS HELD AFTER THE HEARING LAST YEAR WHERE IT WAS THAT IT WAS IN THE WAY OF AN A D A RAMP, AND NOW IT'S THE TREE AND I SEE THE LIFT STATION. SO IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT'S MOTIVATING. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU WELL, I WAS JUST, I MEAN, SO THE, A D A RAMP IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT. IT'S PHASE TWO. IT'S NOT BEFORE YOU TODAY. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT. BUT I WAS TOLD SPECIFICALLY THAT'S WHY OKAY. THE TREE WAS GOING AWAY BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT SUFFICIENT ROOM BETWEEN THE BATHHOUSE AND THE PUMPHOUSE TO MAKE THAT A D A TRANSFER. YEAH. I, I, I THINK AT THE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PRO, I MEAN, WE HAD TWO PHASES, BUT WE WERE STILL LOOKING AT THEM AS [06:00:01] A WHOLE UHHUH . AND SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY REASON. THERE. THERE ARE SECONDARY TERTIARY REASONS, UH, ONE OF WHICH HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED YET. AND I WILL BRING THAT, UM, UP AS WELL. UM, AND THAT IS THE UNDERPINNING WORK OF THE PUMP HOUSE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO MM-HMM. , UM, IN ORDER TO EXCAVATE, UH, ALONG THE FACADE OF THE PUMP HOUSE, EXCAVATE DOWN AND DO THE UNDERPINNING. AND THE DESIGN TEAM CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT PROCESS, IF YOU'D LIKE. BUT, UM, THAT TREE AND ITS ROOTS, UH, ZONE, ITS ROOT SYSTEM IS ALSO IN THE WAY OF, OF THAT, UH, NECESSARY EXCAVATION TO DO THAT WORK. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST THINK IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A SHAME TO, YEAH, THERE, THERE WITH MULTIPLE TREES, THERE ARE MULTIPLE REASONS WHY WE ARE PROPOSING TO TAKE ONE OUT. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT YOU HEARD ONE SPECIFIC, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE ARE MULTIPLE REASONS. OKAY. SURELY, UM, AS I'VE APPROACHED THIS IN THIS PAST YEAR, I'VE BEEN TO TWO OR THREE OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. UM, AND I'VE GONE TO THE PARK ON MY OWN DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR. UM, MY HOPE WAS ALWAYS THAT IT WASN'T AN EITHER OR SITUATION. SO MY QUESTION NOW IS, UM, IF THERE WERE APPROPRIATE AND FEASIBLE SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THESE TREES, UM, WOULD YOU AND YOUR STAFF BE AMENABLE TO, UM, PURSUING SOME OF THOSE SOLUTIONS TO KEEP SOME OF THE TREES THAT CAN BE KEPT? SO THE PLAN BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY, UHHUH, IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE WE CAN REASONABLY PRESERVE UHHUH , AND, UM, WHETHER IT'S IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S THE RELOCATION MM-HMM. . SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT, UM, DUE DILIGENCE EXERCISE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND GET ON THE RECORD, WE, THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS EVENING, HAVE HAD DIALOGUE AROUND VARIOUS WAYS TO CONSIDER THE PROJECT DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION METHODS, AND WHETHER IT WAS THE PEER AND SPANDREL SYSTEM OR REMOVING THE WALL TOGETHER. MM-HMM. AND THEN, WELL, THE, THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WENT INTO THE EVALUATION OF THOSE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, WE ASKED THAT SAME, UH, WE HEARD DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, PHASE THAT WE DID HAVE SOME INDEPENDENT ARBORISTS COME AND LOOK AT THIS PROJECT, PROVIDE THEIR ASSESSMENT RECOMMENDATIONS MM-HMM. , WE BROUGHT THEM BACK TO LOOK AT THESE OTHER DESIGN MM-HMM. AND PROJECT DELIVERY METHODS AS WELL. AND, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE OPINION OF WHAT COULD BE SAVED, WHAT WAS UNCHANGED MM-HMM. , AND IF THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AROUND THAT, YOU KNOW, ROSS WAS ON SITE MM-HMM. , BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ANSWERED ONTO THE RECORD THAT WHILE PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE DID INCLUDE THAT INDEPENDENT EYE AS WELL, TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE WHEN THEY CAME IN LAST SUMMER, IT WAS WITH A VERY SPECIFIC DESIGN PLAN MM-HMM. . AND, UH, SO BRINGING THEM BACK WAS, I THINK, VERY HELPFUL TO VALIDATE AND AFFIRM THAT, AGAIN, THE PLAN BEFORE US TODAY IS REFLECTIVE OF ALL OF THOSE THINGS WE COULD DO TO AT THE, UH, SAVE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF TREES. RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, CLARIFYING THAT, BUT I DO WANNA JUMP TO ONE SPECIFIC TREE. IT'S THE 1 0 1, 1 0 1 TREE. UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH ED'S, UH, WORK. IT'S MAGNIFICENT. I'VE, IT'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THIS STUFF HAPPENING. UM, THIS IS WHERE THE WALL IS ALREADY FAILED, RIGHT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THERE ARE WAYS, THE FAILED WALL IN THIS CASE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR TREE. AND THIS IS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT HAVE YOU LOOKED AT SPECIFIC TREE TREES FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SAVE THE WALL OR REBUILD THE WALL WITH, UH, SALVAGE AND SAVE THE TREE? THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WIN-WIN I THINK PLACES THE TREE ROOTS ARE ALREADY EXPOSED A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCAVATION. AND YOU COULD DO, YOU COULD CREATE ANY KIND OF SUPER REINFORCED SUPER SYSTEM OR SUPER STRUCTURE FOR JUST THAT TREE LOCATION. IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE I THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE AND TO CONFORM TO TCS REQUIREMENTS NOT GO FARTHER OUT. BUT BECAUSE THAT WALL IS ALREADY GONE, MAYBE THIS IS A CASE WHERE YOU USE A HYBRIDIZED SYSTEM AND MAYBE THE PEERS WORK IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, IN THIS ONE PLACE. UM, I GUESS YOU COULD COMPARE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT AND THAT APPROACH [06:05:01] TO WHAT THE REAL COST OF MOVING THAT TREE IS, WHICH YOU SHARED THAT NUMBER WITH US THE OTHER DAY. WHAT, APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TAXPAYER MONEY? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MOVING THIS TREE 15 FEET? THE, THE APPROXIMATE COST I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN IS IN THE $400,000 RANGE TO MOVE THE TREE. IT IS NOT COMING OUTTA TAXPAYER MONEY. IT'S COMING OUTTA THE TREE MITIGATION FUND. SO IT'S COMING IN FROM FUNDS THAT WERE PAID IN, UM, FOR MITIGATION. THAT'S THE MONIES THAT ARE GONNA BE USED TO RELOCATE THE TREE. OKAY. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF THE MONEY SOURCE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. STILL $400,000. SO WITH THAT KIND OF FUNDING, THAT KIND OF BUDGET, UM, AN INVESTMENT TO CREATE A VERY FORTIFIED SHADOW WALL FOUNDATION FOR JUST THAT ONE AREA WOULD SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE MONEY, BUT ALSO SAVE THE RISK OF THE SURVIVAL OF THAT TREE AS WELL. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS COULD BE LOOKED AT. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS TREE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES. UM, LITERALLY, SO WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH THE ARBORIST, WE LOOKED AT IT AND THEY THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL MAYBE THIS IS ONE. BUT AS WE STARTED DIGGING AROUND LOOKING THAT THE, THE WALL WHERE THE WALL WAS, THE BACK OF THE WALL IS LESS THAN 18 INCHES FROM THE TRUNK OF THE TREE, NOT JUST THE ROOTS, THE TRUNK OF THE TREE. UM, SO IN THEIR REPORT, I THINK ONE OF THE, UM, CITIZENS SAID EARLIER THAT, UM, THE ARBORIST SAID THAT THEY, THAT IT COULD STILL BE SAVED. WHAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO IS THE DESIGN WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE. AND THE CURRENT DESIGN, THEY AGREED WITH US THAT WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN, THE FOUR FEET, THERE'S NO WAY. AND SO WE DID GO BACK TO THE TABLE WITH THE OTHER DESIGNS, LOOKING AT THE APPEARANCE SPANDREL THAT ONE OF THE ENGINEERS BROUGHT TO US AS, UM, BECAUSE THE WALL'S ALREADY DOWN, WE WERE TOLD EVEN IN THAT SYSTEM THAT THEY WOULD'VE TO GO BACK AT LEAST 18 INCHES. THAT WAS THE MINIMUM WE WERE GIVEN TO BE ABLE TO, TO PUT A NEW WALL BACK IN ITS SPOT. AND SO THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT THE WALL BACK IN. ITS ITS ORIGINAL LOCATION WITHOUT DOING IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO THAT TREE. AND THE ARBORIST CONCURRED WITH US ON THAT. WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT COMING OUT OF IT ON THE WALL? I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN WRITING WHERE, YEAH. SO WHAT ABOUT COMING OUT OF IT ON THE WALL? LIKE, LIKE COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING, YOU COME OUT OF IT AND INCREASE THAT DISTANCE. SO IF YOU PULL THE WALL OUT, MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S A LITTLE THING, RIGHT? BUT IT CONSTRICTS THE RIVER. UH, AND SARAH HAS RUN THE MODELS FOR US AND LOOKING AT THAT, UM, AND YOU CAN CONSTRICT IT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE THINK OF A GARDEN HOSE, YOU SQUEEZE IT, RIGHT? YOU CAN PITCH IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE PIECE THERE AND IT SLOWS DOWN, THE WATER BACKS UP, OR YOU CAN USE YOUR WHOLE HAND OR WHATEVER. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S A SMALL LITTLE PINCH, BUT IT BACKS WATER UP UPSTREAM. SO YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR THAT. IT BREAKS THE, THE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE ABOUT, UM, PERMITTING AND WHAT'S ALLOWED AND WHAT'S NOT ALLOWED, UH, WITHIN THE PARK AND ALONG THE RIVER. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH MOVING IT FORWARD. UH, WE DID A LITTLE SIDEBAR WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR A SILVER BULLET ON THIS PROJECT. LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S GOTTA BE A MAGICAL STRUCTURAL SYSTEM THAT WILL MAKE THIS THING WORK. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE LOOKED AND LOOKED FOR IT. I MEAN, WE HAVE TRIED, WE'VE GONE THROUGH, WE'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. CARLOS, UH, I MET WITH HIM IN MY OFFICE, SHOWED HIM WHAT WE'RE DOING. YOU KNOW, CARLOS, HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? I WORK WITH HIM ALL THE TIME ON OTHER PROJECTS. UM, YEAH, HE HAS A GREAT SOLUTION. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S LEGALLY ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED BY ALL YEAH. BY ALL BY THE, UM, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR BECAUSE HIS SOLUTION REQUIRES ALL THE WALLS TO BE TORN DOWN. RIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE TO EXCAVATE BACK. UM, BUT THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE IS TO DO, JUST TO DRILL THOSE PIERS. RIGHT. WHICH SEEMED PRETTY UN IN UNINVASIVE. I MEAN, THEY'RE HOW BIG AROUND 18 INCHES, 20 MORE, 24 INCHES AROUND, UH, HOW FAR WAS THE TREE FROM THE WALL? UH, LESS THAN 18 INCHES. 18 INCHES. SO, SO THE, SO THE CORE IS BIGGER THAN JUST THE SPACE. UM, AND SO YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THAT TREE EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. UH, THE ISSUES ARE JUST TRYING TO MEET THE LAWS. WHEN YOU SAY LEGALLY NOT ALLOWED, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A POLICY OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A STATUTE VOTED ON? YEAH, LET, LET ME BE CAREFUL WITH WORDS. RIGHT. UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR THIS PROJECT ARE THAT WOULD NOT BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THOSE. UM, T H C I DON'T THINK WOULD'VE LET ME, WE DIDN'T PUT THAT IN FRONT OF THEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD'VE DONE THAT. MET THEIR REQUIREMENTS. UM, OKAY. SO REQUIREMENTS NOT, NOT, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL, BUT SO FOR EVERY REQUIREMENT, FOR EVERY POLICY, IT'S ALL, YEAH, IT'S ALL WAIVER. IT'S POLICIES AND REQUIREMENTS AND CODES AND THESE [06:10:01] SORTS OF THINGS. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S WAIVERS TO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LAW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY AND, AND GUIDELINES, WHICH THERE COULD BE WAIVERS TO FOR SPECIFIC CASES, RIGHT? YES. I, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THOSE HAPPENED. AND THERE ARE PERMITS, RIGHT? THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A 4 0 4 PERMIT THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. UM, IT WOULD BE ELABORATE, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THE STATE ANTIQUITIES PERMIT IS BINDING. LIKE, WE NEED TO FOLLOW THAT, OR WE NEED TO GET A DIFFERENT APPROVAL COMMISSIONER OR THE ALTERNATIVES WITH THEM. AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE APPROVED NOW AND FOREVER. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GRUB, DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS? I DON'T. I'M ACTUALLY READY TO, UM, APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED TODAY. AND I JUST WANNA REMIND MY COMMISSIONERS ALSO OF THE PURVIEW OF OUR PER OF OUR PURVIEW TODAY. RIGHT. UM, BUT I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FISH HAS ANOTHER QUESTION. YEAH. I HAVE, UH, ONE LAST QUICK SET OF QUESTIONS. UM, AND THIS IS FOR, UH, THE RESIDENTS OF, UH, RIVER ROAD. MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE WE CAN SWITCH OVER TO THEIR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. THERE WAS SOMETHING MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT. UM, DO WE HAVE THAT POWERPOINT OR A REPRESENTATIVE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO SLIDE 22? IS THAT THE SLIDE? YES, THE QUESTION. YES. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR HE CAN'T SEE US OR CURTIS, THEY'RE HERE. I'M SORRY. I'M BLIND . THERE WE GO. UM, UH, I CAN'T SEE WHO'S THERE. SO MAYBE THEY COULD BON INTRODUCE HIMSELF. IT'S SUSAN STR AND ROY SCHWARZ IS HERE AS WELL. HI, SUSAN. HI ROY. THANKS SO MUCH FOR, UH, THE PRESENTATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS, AS I'VE COME TO EXPECT OVER THESE PAST SIX YEARS, COMPREHENSIVE AND COMPLETE AND WELL ORGANIZED. AND BASED ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSION HERE TODAY IN, IN CONSIDERATION OF AN APPROVAL WITH A STIPULATION, ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY WANT TO OFFER THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF, FOR CONSIDERATION, FOR STIPULATION THAT, THAT YOU HAD, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, OR HAVE RECONSIDERED THAT STAND OUT AS BEING PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT TO YOU? UM, I THINK THAT THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT IN DIFFERENT WAYS BECAUSE THEY HIGHLIGHT DIFFERENT ISSUES. UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING IN ANY TREE DEMOLITION AND PRIOR TO COMPLETING COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 1 0 6, UM, SECTION 1 0 6 HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROVISIONS INCLUDING TREATMENT PLANS, MITIGATION, IDENTIFICATION OF ADVERSE EFFECTS ON HISTORIC RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSULTATION WITH A VARIETY OF PARTIES, INCLUDING TRIBES. UM, WE THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THERE NOT BE ANTICIPATORY DEMOLITION OF THE TREES BEFORE THIS UNDERTAKING GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT IS, THAT IS KEY. UM, ON THE SECOND ONE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONSULT WITH PROFESSOR PROFESSIONALS, AS YOU SAW IN THE MINUTES FROM THE T H C. UM, THE EX, UH, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR STATED VERY CLEARLY, AND WE CONFIRM THIS WITH THE COMMISSION, THAT THEY WERE NEVER ASKED, THEY WERE NEVER PRESENTED WITH AN ALTERNATIVE AS TO HOW TO SAVE THE TREES BY USING A DIFF DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION METHODS. I UNDERSTAND THAT EARLY ON APPEARANCE SPANDREL SYSTEM WAS PROPOSED TO THEM, AND PERHAPS THEY HINTED IN SOME WAY THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE EARLY PLANS, YOU ALSO SEE THAT THAT IS WHERE THE STIPULATION IN THE PLANS WAS THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO TREES WITHIN 15 FEET OF THE WALL. SO THAT ENTIRE DISCUSSION TOOK PART COMPLETELY SEPARATELY FROM A CONSIDERATION OF PRESERVATION OF THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. WHAT THIS CASE SETS FORWARD IS A PRECEDENT SETTING CONFLICT BETWEEN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S GUIDELINES FOR THE PRESERVATION OF CULTURAL AND PRESERVATION AND TREATMENT OF LANDSCAPES WITH BUILT STRUCTURES. AND THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IN CONFLICT, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS. AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING, ANY INDICATION FROM THE COMMISSION. AND IN FACT, WE'VE SEEN THEM ENCOURAGE THE DESIGN TEAM TO, AND THE CITY TO CONSULT WITH OTHER EXPERTS. THEY SAID THAT SPECIFICALLY AT THE, AT THE HEARING, THAT THEY SHOULD CONSULT WITH OTHER EXPERTS, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER [06:15:01] ALTERNATIVES THAT BETTER PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DESIGN EXPLORED AND TO SEE WHETHER GIVEN THE POSSIBILITY OF PRESERVING THE BETTER PRESERVING THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE, WHICH HAS NOT EVEN BEEN DISCUSSED BY THE CITY, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A BETTER CASE FOR REBUILDING THE WALLS AND DOING LESS, YOU KNOW, DESTRUCTIVE TECHNIQUES OF CONSTRUCTION. UM, IN TERMS OF, OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS AND EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH CARLOS ABOUT, YES, IF YOU BUILD THE WALL FROM THE FRONT, YOU DO HAVE TO USE NAILS FROM THE FRONT. YES. THE HISTORIC, UH, AUTHORITIES DO NOT PARTICULARLY LIKE, LIKE THAT, BUT THESE NAILS ARE A QUARTER INCH BRASS NAILS, QUARTER INCH, BARELY DETECTABLE COVERED WITH MORTAR. YOU, YOU DON'T SEE THOSE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU WOULD NOT SEE THAT THE WALL WOULD LOOK IDENTICAL TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW, AND YET THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE WOULD BE PRESERVED. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN FULLY EXPLORED AND FULLY PRESENTED FOR THE T H C TO CON TO CONSIDER. THE T H C MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY COULD ONLY RULE ON WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTED WITH, AND THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THEY WERE PRESENTED WITH MR. CHAIR POINT OF ORDER. COMMISSIONER FISH IS, IS, WAS THIS A QUESTION THAT WAS ANSWERED? UM, YES. MY QUESTION WAS FOR THEM TO DISCUSS, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT THEY HAD, UH, THOUGHT OF THAT MIGHT IMPROVE THE PROJECT. SO, UH, WITH THE CHAIRMAN'S, UH, SUPPORT, I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO CONCLUDE THEIR THOUGHTS. YES, IF YOU WOULD. OKAY. I GIVE THIS UP. OKAY, GO AHEAD. SO ON NUMBER FOUR, SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, TREE 1 0 1, THE LARGE HERITAGE TREE, AND WE JUST DISCUSSED, UM, BEING ABLE, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A WALL THERE, SO WE CAN BUILD A SUPER WALL THERE. AND WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF WHAT T H C WANTS. UM, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF TREATMENT. NOW, THIS ISN'T PRESERVATION TREATMENT WHERE WE WANT TO KEEP IT EXACTLY WHERE IT IS IN PLACE. THIS IS NOW A REHAB REHABILITATION TREATMENT BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING THERE, AND THERE'S A LOT MORE LEEWAY IN THE SECRETARY OF STEER GUIDELINES WHEN IT'S A REHABILITATION RE REHABILITATION TREATMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, UM, BUILD THE WALL, UH, UM, UH, WITH THE IN-KIND MATERIAL WITHOUT BEING IN VIOLATION OF A PRESERVATION TREATMENT. IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, THAT 24 INCH PIER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEING, IT WOULDN'T BE IN CONFLICT WITH A LARGE TREE PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY'RE 12 FEET APART, RIGHT? AND SO YOU DON'T PUT THE PIER IN FRONT OF THE TRUNK, YOU PUT THE PIERS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TRUNK, AND THEN YOU'RE ONLY INTO THAT EIGHT INCHES OF THE SHADOW WALL THAT WE NEED ADDITIONALLY INTO THE BACK OF THE WALL, IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE ENGINEERS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GRU, I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY LAST QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO A MOTION, WHICH WE CAN THEN GET TO DISCUSSION? NO. OR, OR CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND THEN GO TO DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GRUBB, A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER BAKER. OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER GROUP. WELL, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WAS HERE A YEAR AGO, OR YEAR OVER YEAR AGO. AND I THINK THAT, UM, THIS ONLY PROVES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC PROCESS AND WE ASKED YOU TO, TO GO BACK AND, AND LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND A LOT OF THE SAME SPEAKERS ARE HERE TODAY, INCLUDING THE 12 YEAR OLD, UH, BOY. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE ASK YOU TO GO BACK AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT THEN WE REALLY HAVE LEARNED OUR LESSON. I THINK THAT THIS IS THE WAY THAT THINGS PROJECTS SHOULD BE. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTEN THE PUBLIC, YOU'VE GOTTEN MORE, UH, SPECIALISTS TO LOOK AT IT. I AM, UM, I'M COMFORTABLE. I THINK YOU ALSO DID AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION ON OUR TOUR. AND, UM, I DO SEE SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS OF, FROM THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD CHANGE MY MOTION. UM, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS. I I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE SPENDING $400,000 FROM A MITIGATION BUDGET THAT I'M SURE YOU WANT, YOU SPEND ON SOMETHING ELSE AND NOT THERE. IF IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, YOUR ONLY SOLUTION. UM, I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU DO CONSIDER NOT, YOU KNOW, REPLACING TREE OR ACTUALLY FIND A SOLUTION, I'M SURE YOU WILL WANNA WANNA SAVE THOSE 400, ESPECIALLY YOU, BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU'LL SPEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THEN WE ALSO ALREADY DISCUSSED, UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED TO ME AT THE, ONE OF THE MEETINGS WAS, WHAT IS [06:20:01] YOUR PLAN ON THE FUTURE? SO IF YOU DO BUILD THE WALL JUST IN FRONT OF THAT TREE, WHAT HAPPENS IN 10 YEARS? I DON'T WANNA BE SITTING HERE IN 10 YEARS. I'M NOT GONNA BE SITTING HERE IN 10 YEARS, BUT WATCHING THIS HAPPENING AGAIN BECAUSE THOSE ROOTS ARE NOW GONNA PUSH A WALL OR 20 YEARS LATER. UM, SO I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH HOW IT'S PRESENTED TODAY WITH NO ADDING STIPULATIONS. COMMISSIONER BAKER, THANK YOU. I, I WAS NOT HERE A YEAR AGO. UM, AND SO THIS WAS ALL A FIRST PRESENTATION FOR ME, BUT I'VE BEEN TO THE SITE. UM, I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL CIVIL ENGINEER. UH, AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THE, THE, THE CITY'S DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. I, I, YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT ALWAYS BEING 2020, I THINK I WOULD'VE PREFERRED TO SEE THE INFRA THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES PRESENTED TODAY THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS. MAYBE A COST ANALYSIS FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY. HOWEVER, I COULD TELL FROM MY OWN JUDGMENT THAT, THAT THE ALTERNATIVES WERE CONSIDERED AND WHERE IT MADE SENSE. THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA PURSUE THAT BECAUSE CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD NOT HAVE PLAYED OUT WELL. AND SO, UM, SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT THE DUE DILIGENCE WAS DONE. I'M CONFIDENT IN THE PUBLIC PROCESS AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT THE PLAN THAT'S LAID OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW AS NEW TREES ARE PLANTED, THAT IT WILL BE AN OVERALL NET POSITIVE EFFECT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER FISH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I, I THINK THAT I, I, I WAS HERE A YEAR AGO ALSO, AND I, AND I WOULD SAY THE, UH, ATMOSPHERE WASN'T SO CLEAR OR DEVELOPED AND, UM, I FELT THAT I COULD NOT TAKE ANY ACTION, UH, LAST YEAR GIVEN THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED PUBLIC, UH, PUBLICLY AT THE HEARING. AND I APPRECIATE THAT THERE WERE ATTEMPTS MADE TO, UH, PROVIDE FURTHER OUTREACH AND SOLICIT INPUT AND CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES OVER THE COURSE OF THE, THE SUMMER AND INTO THIS YEAR. UM, ALTHOUGH THE, THE SENSE OF SKEPTICISM AND TRUST THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY IS STILL REALLY CONCERNING, AND I'M, I'M HOPING THAT AS WE MOVE INTO, UH, PHASE TWO ON THIS PROJECT, THERE'S SOME LESSON LESSONS LEARNED THAT CAN BE CARRIED FORWARD TO IMPROVE THE CONVEYANCE OF INFORMATION AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRUST WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES. SO, UH, I, I, I'M, I'M CONSIDERING THE POSSIBLY OCCLUSION, UH, OF A, OF SOME STIPULATIONS, UH, THAT I MAY NEED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS MADE. BUT I'LL LET THE, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FINISH WITH THEIR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SAVINA. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UM, CONCERNS I HAVE HAD ON THIS, AGAIN, IS NOT, IS THE INABILITY TO ALLOW THE PRESERVATION OF ARTIFACT WITH A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE TO COEXIST. AND I SINCERELY BELIEVE THERE ARE PLACES THAT WE CAN BE SELECTIVELY DETERMINE THAT 1 0 1 CAN WORK IN A CERTAIN WAY, WHERE WE CAN HAVE A RECONSTRUCTED WALL. AND, UM, SOME PLACES THE WALL HAS TO BE, WE HAVE TO USE THE FOOTING AND WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE TREES. UM, WHAT IS THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE? LOTS OF PICTURES OF THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE IN HERE THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. AND IN OTHER PLACES, IT'S MEANT TO BE A WILD AND A VERY NATURAL PLACE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S BEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS. WHAT WE'RE DOING BY RE REMOVING SO MANY TREES IS ERASING THE CONTINUITY OF THAT CULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF THOSE TREES, OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN ALONG THE RIVER. REMEMBER THIS RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE EVERY RIVER'S EDGE FROM AUSTIN THROUGH SAN MARCO SAN, UM, NEW BRAUNFELS ALL THE WAY DOWN. THIS IS A CHARACTER LANDSCAPE OF THE EDWARDS AQUIFER AND THE BALCONES ESCARPMENT. SO IT'S PART OF A SET OF CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. SO, UM, GOING TO WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE, A LOT OF TREES BEING TAKEN OUT. UM, BUT WE'RE ENSURED THAT THE CANOPY WILL BE REPLACED AND IN YEARS WE'LL BE FROLICKING IN THE SHADE AGAIN. UM, I DON'T THINK THIS, I DON'T THINK THE PROPOSAL AS IT IS NOW WILL ENABLE US TO USE THE SPACE THE WAY WE HAVE BEFORE, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF CANOPY COVER, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE PLANTING PLAN OFF OF THE TRAILS RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE UNDER A TREE AND SET UP, YOU CAN WALK [06:25:01] AROUND THROUGH THE TREES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANTING PLAN IN THE PROPOSAL, IT'S ALL ORNAMENTAL, CERTAIN ORNAMENTAL COLLECTIONS OF A CERTAIN TYPE IN ONE AREA. THERE IS ANOTHER TYPE OF ORNAMENTAL COLLECTION. THERE IS NO REALLY, THERE'S NO UNPROGRAMMED LANDSCAPING FOR ONE TO EXPERIENCE THAT LANDSCAPE THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR GENERATIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST NOT SOLD ON IT AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THE PUMP HOUSE NEEDS TO BE UNDERPINNED. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF WALLS THAT NEED TO BE REBUILT AND REINFORCED, BUT JUST NOT HAND HANDEDLY THROUGH THE WHOLE PARK WITH ONE APPROACH. I THINK THIS IS A RECONSTRUCTION. THIS IS A, A PRESERVATION PROJECT. THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PROJECT. IT'S NOT JUST A BOND PROJECT. IT'S SO MUCH MORE. SO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT IS THAT, UM, THE TREATMENT PLANS AND OTHER ACTIONS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN BY PARK AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, UM, THAT THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SHARED WITH THE STATE WITH T H C ARE ALSO SHARED WITH O H P. AND THAT THOSE STATEMENT, THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SHARED WITH O H P ARE SHARED WITH H D R C AND THE PUBLIC IN A TIMELY WAY SO THAT THE REPORTING AND THE ACTION ISN'T JUST BETWEEN LOCAL, UH, THE PROJECT IN AUSTIN. BUT WE ALSO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH IT HERE. SECOND, COMMISSIONER, I, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK WE NEED ACTION TO DO THAT. I MEAN, THE PARKS MAINTAINS, THE DEPARTMENT MAINTAINS THE WEBSITE NOW THAT HAS THE DOCUMENTS. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT. SO FOR, UM, THIS PROJECT, IF YOU GO TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WEBSITE MM-HMM. , WE HAVE A SCROLL BANNER AT THE TOP. MM-HMM. , THIS MAY BE, AND I DON'T KNOW COREY IF YOU EVER PULL IT UP, BUT THIS MAY BE THE FOURTH OR FIFTH SCROLL SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROJECT. ANYBODY CAN CLICK ON THAT. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT TRANSPIRED LAST SUMMER, THE PRESENTATION, THE VIDEO TO THE MEETINGS. WE HAVE THE COMPLETE UPLOAD OF EVERYTHING THAT WENT TO T H C AS WELL, THE INDEPENDENT ARBORIST REVIEW. OKAY. LOTS OF INFORMATION THAT HAS INFORMED THE PROJECT ALONG THE WAY. UH, THAT HAS BEEN HOW WE'VE BEEN, UM, ABLE TO CONNECT THE COMMUNITY TO THIS INFORMATION. UH, AND SO AGAIN, FOR THE PRESENTATION TODAY, IT'S REFLECTIVE OF EVERYTHING ON THERE. THE T H C STUFF WILL APPEAR RIGHT AT THE TOP. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE FUTURE TREATMENT PLANS WILL ALSO BE THERE TOO, AND REPORTS THAT ARE MADE TO T H C WILL ALSO BE THERE? THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS OUR INTENT. IT'S INTENT TO CONTINUE, CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THIS PAGE. OKAY. AND INTENT IS SOMETHING WE WILL DO. AND WE KNOW THAT THIS IS ABOUT PHASE ONE TODAY. WE'VE HAD REFERENCES TO PHASE TWO, SO THIS WILL, UH, IS A LIVING PAGE. WE'VE ALWAYS STATED THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO PLACE INFORMATION HERE SO THAT IT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO CONNECT EVERYONE TO THE INFORMATION. OKAY. AWESOME. WILL, YES, UH, WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET THE TRIAGING SURVEY UP THERE TOO, FROM THE ARBORISTS? IT, IT'S UP THERE. I MEAN, I, IT'S UP THERE ALREADY. OKAY. UPDATED. THANK YOU. IF IT'S NOT THERE, IF Y'ALL WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY. IF THERE'S ANYTHING MISSING, WE WILL GET IT UP THERE. WE'VE TRIED VERY, VERY, VERY HARD TO GET EVERYTHING THERE. SO IF IT'S MISSING, WE'LL GET IT UP THERE. BUT, UM, IT, BUT SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY TOP THERE, WHAT HAS GONE TO T H C. OKAY. POINT OF ORDER. POINT OF ORDER ORDER, PLEASE. I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT MOVING FORWARD. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND SORRY TO INTERRUPT. STAFF IS SHARING WITH ME IN THE T H C PACKET IS THE INFORMATION YOU JUST POINTED OUT, BUT, SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, BUT BACK TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT FOR THE PAST FEW WEEKS, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT I'LL MISS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. YEAH, THANK YOU. JUST A FEW THINGS. UM, OVERALL, I THINK THERE WAS AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHERE WE WERE AT LAST YEAR. RIGHT. UM, NOT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS, BUT AT LEAST PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND, AND GOT HEARD. RIGHT. UM, I'M SORRY. NOW ORDER, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, IT WAS DEFINITELY IMPROVEMENT FROM LAST YEAR. UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, I KNOW WE REFERENCED SOME OF THE T H C GUIDELINES. WE'VE REFERENC SOME FEDERAL GUIDELINES AS WELL THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE T H C PUT [06:30:01] AS MUCH HOMEWORK INTO WHAT THIS ENTIRE ROOM HAS PUT INTO WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, THAT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH. AND I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA GET AN ANSWER TODAY, BUT I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THAT. UM, I THINK THE RIVER ROAD AUTHORITY HAD SOME GOOD POINTS THAT THAT, THAT SHE BROUGHT UP. I MISS, UH, I THINK SHE HAD SOME GOOD POINTS AND I'M, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER FISH FOR LETTING HER SAY THAT AND GET THOSE POINTS ACROSS. AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKED AT. UM, AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME TREES THAT CAN'T BE SAVED. IF YOU GO TO, UH, I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 14. YEAH. YOU'LL SEE, UH, OR MAYBE THE NEXT ONE THAT SHOWED SOME OF THE TREES. YEAH. RIGHT. SOME OF THOSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST ANGLED TOO MUCH, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON BORROWED TIME AS IT IS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ANGLE IN WHICH SOME TREES, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF LOOK AT 'EM, UH, THAT THEY'RE ON BORROWED TIME. I THINK IT'S 10 DEGREES, UH, OFF STRAIGHT FROM 90, RIGHT? IT'S 80 DEGREES WHERE THERE'S A FORMULA FOR IT, WHERE A TREE IS LIKE, IT'S ON BORROWED TIME IF IT'S LEANING OUT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE, THERE YOU GO. THOSE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? SO THOSE TREES RIGHT THERE ARE ON BORROWED TIME AND AS OLD AS THEY ARE, I SYMPATHIZE, I LIKE 'EM, BUT THEY'RE ON BORROWED TIME. I MEAN, THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WANNA HOLD ONTO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. SO I'M OVERALL HAPPY WITH THE PROCESS. I JUST WISH WE PROBABLY HAD A LITTLE MORE, WE INPUT FROM RIVER RIVER ROAD, UH, COMMITTEE, UH, AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS WERE LOOKED AT. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER GIBBS. I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS. MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONER MAZUA, UH, IN, IN THE SPIRIT OF COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UH, IT MAKES ME THINK OF FREDERICK LAW, OLMSTED'S GREAT WORK. THE, UM, CENTRAL PARK, AND THAT WAS DESIGNED AS A NATURAL LANDSCAPE WITH BOULDERS BROUGHT IN AND TREES INSTALLED TO LOOK LIKE A NATURAL LANDSCAPE. IN THINKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR LAMBERT BEACH, UM, IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR A TRACT HOUSE. AND, AND WHAT I MEAN IS, IS THAT REFERENCE TO BEAUTIFUL PLANTS IN ONE AREA, CLUSTERED IN AN AREA, AND THEN ANOTHER CLUSTER OF DIFFERENT BEAUTIFUL PLANTS. AND THAT'S NOT THE WAY THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT GROWS. I MEAN, THERE ARE CLUSTERS, ALWAYS CLUSTERS OF PLANTS BECAUSE THEY SELFS SEED. BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE THING APPROACHED IN A MORE NATURAL WAY, PERHAPS THE WAY OLMSTEAD DESIGNED, UH, CENTRAL PARK SO THAT IT LOOKED MORE NATURAL. SORRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE ORDER PLEASE. UM, A QUESTION. ONE OF THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE RIVER ROAD ASSOCIATION HAD PUT FORWARD WAS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING IN ANY TREE DEMOLITION OR TRANSPLANTATION PRIOR TO COMPLETING WITH COMPLIANCE WITH SECTION 1 0 6 OF THE NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION ACT. UH, IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, YOU NEED TO GET APPROVAL THROUGH THE 1 0 6, UH, REVIEW BEFORE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY START ANY WORK. SO I'M GONNA ASK, UH, WELL, NUMBER ONE, WE CAN'T BEGIN ANY WORK UNTIL WE HAVE ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS, PERIOD. 1 0 6 INCLUDED. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE'RE IN A BETTER PLACE THAN WE WERE A YEAR AGO. UH, WE, UM, I THANK THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE WHO, UH, CAME FORWARD AND EXPRESSED CONCERN AND ATTENDED ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND, AND MADE THEIR, UH, CONCERNS KNOWN. BUT I ALSO, UM, TRUST THE CITY IN THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. AND, UM, SO AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. DID COMMISSIONER FISH WANNA ADD AMENDMENTS? OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER FISH, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANY AMENDMENTS? M MR. CHAIRMAN? I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN PROCEED AND IF WE DO, UH, A SECOND ROUND, I, I'LL CONSIDER AMENDMENTS AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU. ROLL ALL. VOTE PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH, NAYYY SAVINO. NAYYY ZUKA NAYYY GROUP. AYE. [06:35:01] CERVANTES, NO. BAKER. AYE. BET. AYE. THAT'S FOUR, FOUR. MOTION FAILS. COMMISS FISH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ATTEMPT A NEW MOTION? UM, I, I WOULD, I, THERE, THERE ARE A FEW STIPULATIONS THAT I, THAT I THINK, UH, COULD BE HELPFUL MOVING FORWARD, UM, ON THIS. AND WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A, AN OUTCOME THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH. UH, IF STAFF COULD PUT RIVER ROAD'S SUGGESTIONS UP. I KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR STIPULATION ONE AS NOT, NOT BEING NECESSARY AS A STIPULATION BECAUSE THE CITY CAN'T DO ANY WORK, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES WITHOUT COMPLETION OF, UH, THE 1 0 6 REVIEW. UM, BUT I HAD ALSO, I HAD LOOKED AT, UH, STIPULATIONS, UH, FIVE AND SIX AS BEING PARTICULARLY POWERFUL, UM, AND IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY SIX, UH, THE AFTERCARE PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S NEEDED FOR NOT JUST THE LARGE RELOCATED TREE, BUT, UH, THE OTHER RELOCATED, UH, TREES. SO, UH, I'M GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE INCLUSION OF WHAT'S PRESENTED ON THE SCREEN STIPULATION FIVE AND SIX. AND JUST TO MAKE A, A POINT OF IT, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT, I, I BELIEVE IT'S MOOT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE MAY HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE, UH, STIPULATION ONE, UH, JUST TO MAKE A POINT OF IT THAT IT'S INCLUDED. THANK YOU. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A ONE, CAN I GET A CLARIFICATION? ONE, FIVE AND SIX. ONE. FIVE AND SIX. COMMISSIONER FISH? YES. OKAY. STAFF WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND RIVER ROAD RECOMMENDATIONS. ONE, FIVE AND SIX? YES. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. SO, DISCUSSION SECOND. YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. SECONDED. UM, CLARIFICATION ON ITEM FIVE. SO I THINK, IS THIS FOR FUTURE OR IS THIS, YOU'RE NOW SAYING THAT YOU WANT INDEPENDENT ARBOR TO LOOK AT ALL THE TREES BEFORE, LIKE PENDING THIS APPROVAL, COMMISSIONER FISH. UM, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ALREADY HAS BEEN INDEPENDENT, UH, ARBORIST REVIEWING, UH, THE TREES THAT ARE SLATED FOR REMOVAL. BUT IF OTHERS ARE INCLUDED, UH, THAT THEY SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING TOO, IS LIKE, SO THIS STIPULATION IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE APPLICABLE TO PHASE TWO OR JUST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT IN THE FUTURE WORK? UH, IS IT, I THINK, I BELIEVE ANYTHING WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE TODAY ONLY PERTAINS TO THE PROJECT AT HAND. SO IT WOULD BE . WELL, THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THE INDEPENDENT ARBORIST STUDY HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, THEN WHY IS THIS STIPULATION HERE THAT PENDING CRITERIA FOR OUR APPROVAL. THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT'S LIKE IT'S ALREADY DONE. UH, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ON, ON, ON A WAY THAT, A CONSIDERATION OF, I MEAN, CAN THE CITY IN THE SPACE OR THE, IF THE CITY HAS TOLD US THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEY CAN, IF, IF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DOES NOT FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE GOTTEN THAT STUDY OR THAT RISK ASSESSMENT, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WHERE'S THE MISUNDERSTANDING? AND THEN, UH, AND THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY WITH APPROVING AS PRESENTED TODAY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT STIPULATION UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ASSESSMENT IN THE FUTURE. THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ASSESSMENT IN THE FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL REMOVALS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY. PERFECT. THAT WAS A GOOD CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU. SO INDEPENDENT. SO ANY NEW DECI DECISIONS AROUND ANY ADDITIONAL TREES BEING REMOVED? YES. MR. CHAIR? YES. UM, CAN WE HAVE, UH, RIVER ROAD, UH, WHAT IS IT? UH, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. CLARIFY THE INTENT. WELL, I THINK THE CLARIFICATION IS NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US. WHAT DO WE WANT AS A COMMISSION? LET'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT. NO, LET'S ASK WHETHER, I THINK IT'S WHAT WE WANT. HAS STAFF PROVIDED THE TO PARKS A INDEPENDENT ARBORIST RE, UH, CONDITION ASSESSMENT IN PURSUANT OF SECTION 35 6 80? YES. OKAY. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. I JUST PULLED IT UP. MAY 16TH, 2022 WITH FOUR ARBORISTS. I THINK THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THREE HOURS AGO. IS THAT IT? OKAY. THAT IS NOT OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE INCLUDING THIS STIPULATION BUT CLARIFYING THAT IT'S GONNA BE FOR ANY FUTURE TREE REMOVAL BEYOND THE ONES THAT ARE PRESENTED TODAY. ARE WE GO GOOD [06:40:01] WITH THAT? IS THAT AN AMENDED TO A JUST CLARIFICATION, RIGHT? IS THAT, ARE YOU COMMISSIONER FISH, WOULD YOU AMEND YOUR STATEMENT TO THAT? YES. AMENDED IS, SO THAT WAS THE INTENT BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED UP TO THE DAY THIS IS PROVIDED FOR, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THINGS CHANGE THROUGH THE TREATMENT PLAN OR THE PROCESS OR ADDITIONAL, UH, REMOVAL IS, UH, NEEDED. IT SHOULD, UH, COME BACK TO THE H D R C FOR APPROVAL. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. CORRECT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL? OH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS AMENDED MOTION? COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, NO DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME. COMMISSIONER CINO? NO, I'M GOOD RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BAKER? COMMISSIONER GRUBE. COMMISSIONER MAZUA. COMMISSIONER GIBBS? NO, MR. CHAIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SABINO. AYE. MASUKA. AYE. CARPEN. OH, GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE BET. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THAT WAS THE LAST AGENDA ITEM. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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