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          I HAD LIKE 
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TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 3RD, 2023. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS HERE. 
          FISH. 
          HERE. 
          SAVINO. 
          HERE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          HERE. 
          MASUKA HERE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          HERE. 
          GROUP. 
          HI. 
          HERE. 
          ES HERE. 
          THAT'S, UH, BAKER AND FETZER HERE. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, PLEASE. 
          THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          I'M JEFFREY FETZER, CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIR SCOTT CARPENTER. 
          IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE A CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY, IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY, AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. 
          AND CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. 
          IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. 
          IF YOU'RE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. 
          CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          SPEAKERS FOR, OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. 
          EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. 
          ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME. 
          THE SPEAKERS CALLED UPON SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. 
          ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. 
          PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. 
          CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          NO WORK OF ANY TYP IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. 
          AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. 
          AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. 
          WE'LL. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES. 
          UH, JUST SAYING GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. 
          IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL HERE IN PERSON. 
          UM, YOU AS WELL, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          UM, WE HAVE A PRETTY SHORT AGENDA 
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Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.
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SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START. 
          UM, IF YOU BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, UM, WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS AND THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENTS VIA VOICEMAIL FOR ONE ITEM AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PLAY THAT NOW. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS ARI CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DING WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 28, LOCATED AT 1618 EAST HOUSTON STREET. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE REAR SLIDING GLASS DOOR. 
          SLIDING GLASS DOORS ARE NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ANOTHER TYPE OF DOOR BE USED THAT IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. 
          IN ADDITION, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF A SECOND BEDROOM OR ROOM IS PLANNED FOR THE AREA WHERE THE DORMERS ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. 
          WE DON'T SEE ANY DRAWINGS OF WHAT WILL GO THERE, IF IT ANYTHING, OR ARE THE DORMERS STRICTLY DECORATIVE. 
          WE WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR NEW DESIGN FOR THIS LOT. 
          WE KNOW THERE WAS AN INITIAL CONFUSION AS TO THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S SHORT-TERM RENTAL STIPULATIONS, AND IT IS NICE TO SEE A PROPERTY OWNER TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND RETHINK THEIR DESIGN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY OF THESE FOR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FOUR WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          A SECOND. 
          HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS AYE. 
          FISH AYE. 
          SUBPOENA? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ AYE. 
          MASUKA AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROB AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS SIX 20 LABOR 5 21 RIVERWALK RIVERWALK IMPROVEMENTS IN 1614 EAST HOUSTON. 
          YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. 
          YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAIL TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. 
          UH, UP NEXT WE HAVE 
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ITEM NUMBER FIVE H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 1 4 3 11 23 SOUTHEAST MILITARY DRIVE. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 
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A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, CONSTRUCT A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE TO FEATURE ONE STORY AND HEIGHT TO BE LOCATED IN AN EXISTING SURFACE PARKING PARKING LOT, AND TWO TO INSTALL SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ON BUILDING FACADES. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED A PYLON SIGN, UH, IN THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS. 
          THIS SIGN IS PROHIBITED BY CODE WITHIN A LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND CANNOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION BASED ON FINDINGS B THROUGH L WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT LANDSCAPING BUFFERS BE ADDED TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE WHERE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION IS ADJACENT TO OR PARALLEL WITH PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS IS NOTED IN FINDING E TWO THAT ALL STUCCO FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH. 
          THAT FIBER CEMENT CEMENT SIDING FEATURE A SMOOTH FINISH THAT ALL STOREFRONT SYSTEMS FEATURE DARK FRAMES THAT AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED METAL FACADE PANELS. 
          THREE, THAT ALL WINDOWS BE RECESSED AT LEAST TWO INCHES WITHIN WALLS IS NOTED IN FINDING I. 
          AND FOUR, THAT A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MISSION. 
          HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN MANUAL IS NOTED IN FINDING L STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE INSTALLATION OF SIGNAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          REVISED SIGNAGE DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO O H B STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNAGE AND PERMITTING. 
          ONE, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE PROPOSED WALL SIGNAGE TO FEATURE SIGNAGE ON ONLY ONE FACADE, OR REDUCE THE OVERALL SIGNAGE TO NOT EXCEED MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET PER FACADE. 
          THIS WILL REQUIRE AMENDMENTS TO SIGNAGE IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR THE RIGHT AND FRONT FACADES. 
          ALL WALL SIGNAGE SHOULD BE, SHOULD FEATURE METAL SIGN FACES WITH INDIRECT OR HALO ILLUMINATION. 
          AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE MONUMENT SIGN TO FEATURE OF A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN FIVE FEET AND NO MORE THAN 25 SQUARE FEET PER SIDE. 
          I WILL NOTE, UM, FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, STIPULATION ONE. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, VERIFIED THAT AS PROPOSED SIGNAGE DOES FIT WITHIN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, MARK WALLY, UH, AND THE DESIGN TEAM ARE HERE VIRTUALLY. 
          AND MARK, I MADE YOU A PANELIST, YOU MIGHT NEED TO UNMUTE YOURSELF TO, TO BE HEARD. 
          OH, VERY GOOD. 
          UM, YEAH, SO I, I DON'T SEE, UH, ELIAS OR JEFFREY BENNETT ON, UH, I GUESS SIGNED IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, INFORMATION ON THAT. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION, SIR? UH, I HAD INVITED ELIAS AND JEFFREY TO ATTEND AND SPEAK. 
          UH, I DO NOT SEE THEM. 
          UH, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THEM ON, SO THEY'RE NOT OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT, THAT GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, WELL BRIEFLY WHAT, WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS. UM, UH, MOST OF THE, UM, BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, UM, I BELIEVE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET, UH, THE, THE STUCCO SMOOTH FINISH FIBER CEMENT SIDING IS A SMOOTH FINISH AS WELL. 
          UM, STOREFRONT SYSTEMS CAN BE A DARK FRAME AND, UH, UH, WE CAN SUBMIT THOSE METAL FACADE PANELS. 
          UH, UH, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          WHEN DO, WHEN DO WE NEED TO SUBMIT THOSE BY OR REVIEW? IT'S ON YOUR OWN TIME. 
          UH, BUT YOU WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT THAT PRIOR TO SUBMITTING, OR, WELL, I GUESS YOU'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED FOR A PERMIT. 
          UM, YEAH, SUBMIT THOSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO STAFF AND THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A REVISION TO YOUR PERMIT SET WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          UM, AND, UH, I, THE RECESSING OF THE WINDOWS, I THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, THAT'S NOT TYP ONE OF OUR TYPICAL DETAILS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN WE CAN RESUBMIT AS WELL. 
          UH, SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. 
          UM, THE, AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE, UH, UH, I, I WOULD NEED TO VERIFY WITH THE CLIENT WHETHER THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO REDUCE THE SIGNAGE. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT WE'RE NOT, BUT, UH, I JUST NEED TO GET CONFIRMATION ON THAT. 
          UH, ADDITIONALLY, THE, THE BRAND, UH, REALLY RELIES ON, ON THE SIGNAGE. 
          UH, LET'S GO TO THE BUILDING SIGNAGE IF WE COULD. 
          UH, IT SHOULD HAVE A, THERE SHOULD BE A COLOR. 
          UM, I THINK IT WAS A SEPARATE FILE. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO ON THE, THE DUTCH ROSE SIGNS THEMSELVES WITH THE WORDS THE, 
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UH, BLUE, RED, AND YELLOW, UH, RENDITION. 
          THERE IS PART OF THEIR BRANDING IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT, THEY CAN. 
          UH, ALSO THE WINDMILL IS A, UH, SIGNIFICANT IDENTIFIER FOR THE BRAND AS WELL. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DISCUSS, UH, IN THE FUTURE OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT? UH, WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          IF YOU STILL NEED CLARIFICATION FROM, UM, UH, DUTCH BROTHERS REGARDING, UM, THE SIGNAGE. 
          YOU COULD RECEIVE APPROVAL TODAY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION SITE WORK AND LANDSCAPING PLAN. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, THEY COULD FOLLOW UP, YOU COULD FOLLOW UP AT THE NEXT HEARING WITH THE SIGNAGE AS A SEPARATE APPLICATION OR A SEPARATE REVIEW. 
          UM, OR THE COMMISSION COULD POSTPONE ANY ACTION ON BOTH THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION AND SIGNAGE. 
          UH, SO YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONCERN WITH THAT OR, UH, POSTPONE EVERYTHING. 
          UM, I THINK, UH, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BILLING, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. 
          AND THEN REVISIT THE, UH, SIGNAGE. 
          UM, NOW IF, COULD YOU RE REITERATE LIKE THE, THE TIMING OF THOSE MEETINGS? UH, YES ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, STAFF WOULD ESSENTIALLY RESET, UM, THE SIGNAGE REQUEST TO THE NEXT HEARING, WHICH WILL BE ON, UH, MAY THE 17TH. 
          UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, UH, APPROVAL, AS SOON AS YOU COULD SUBMIT THE REVISIONS TO THE BUILDING, THE STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, WE COULD ISSUE THE C O A AND THE PERMIT. 
          OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR MAY 17TH, UM, WHAT WOULD WE NEED TO PROVIDE AT THAT POINT? UM, REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD NEED, I MEAN, THE SIGNAGE DOCUMENTS AS A STANDALONE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S DISCUSSION OR REVISIONS, UH, BETWEEN TODAY IN THAT HEARING, UH, YOU COULD SUBMIT THOSE TO STAFF. 
          UM, IF THOSE REVISIONS, UH, IF THE, UH, DUTCH BROS WINDS UP AGREEING WITH STAFF OR IF THEY CONSENT TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, UH, THIS ITEM WOULD BE PLACED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          MR. MR. CHAIR? UH, YES. 
          UH, I'M, I'M CONFUSED ON THE PROCESS. 
          ARE ARE, ARE WE ASKING QUESTIONS OR 'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THE DECISION'S ALREADY BEEN MADE, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THE SIGN, RIGHT? WELL, THE APPLICANT WAS ASKING QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CAN PULL HIS REQUEST FOR SIGNAGE IF HE WISHES. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT DO, BUT, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THAT IN THAT THE, THAT THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THE CONVERSATION'S GOING, THE APPLICANT PULLS THE SIGNAGE, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SIGNAGE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          HE HAS THAT RIGHT. 
          THAT HE HAS THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT DO WE HAVE A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN THE CONVERSATION BEFORE THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE HE'S BEING LED IN THAT DIRECTION? UH, WELL STAFF HAS GIVEN THE APPLICANT, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICANT'S SAYING THAT THE SECOND HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM HASN'T GIVEN HIM THE, GIVEN HIM THE AUTHORITY TO AGREE WITH STAFF'S COMMENTS FOR SIGNAGE. 
          SO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS TO POSTPONE, TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS THE AUTHORITY OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO COMMENT ON THE SIGNAGE OR TO AGREE OR DISAGREE BEFORE HE MAKES THAT DECISION. 
          BUT HE WOULD NOT LIKE THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF TO BE HELD UP. 
          WHILE THAT'S STILL BEING DEBATED, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, EDWARD, I JUST, YOU KNOW, KINDA LIKE TO ASK FA BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THERE IN DISTRICT THREE, RIGHT. 
          ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE BROOKS AREA. 
          AND I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHAT IS THIS NOT SO MUCH THE STANDARD AS WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED IN, IN THE GUIDELINES HERE, BUT OF THE, THE NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW, BECAUSE IT'S QUITE A DYNAMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE SIGNAGE, THERE SEEMS TO BE VERY PROGRESSIVE AND IT'S A NEW AREA THAT IT'S NOT, I MEAN, ONE WOULD THINK THAT IT'S IN THE CONTEXT OF THE MISSION DISTRICT, WHICH IS A, A, A KINDA HISTORIC CONTEXT, BUT, BUT THE REALITIES HAVE VERY MODERN URBAN CONTEXT. 
          SO YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER THERE'S ONE SIGN OR SIGN ON THE SIDE. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO HAVE 
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THAT CONVERSATION AMONGST COMMISSIONERS. 
          THE COMMISSION WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I THINK, UH, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NOW IS, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS ON THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT COULD AGREE WITH THE COMMISSION OR COULD SPEAK IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE COMMISSION AREN'T PRESENT. 
          UH, SO THAT DISCUSSION INSTEAD OF HAVING IT TODAY AND THEN AT THE NEXT HEARING, I THINK THE APPLICANT'S SIMPLY ASKING IF WE CAN HAVE IT AT THE NEXT HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          AND I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE A VOICEMAIL ON THIS CASE. 
          THERE IS NO VOICEMAIL FOR THIS CASE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, MR. CHAIR, I'LL DO A MOTION. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUILDING PORTION OF THIS? UM, THE APPLICATION FOR THE BUILDING AND STAFF STIPULATIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? I I HAVE A, JUST A PROCEDURAL ONE FOR, UM, ITEM ONE, STIPULATION ONE, THERE'S THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, UH, BEING ADDED. 
          UM, IS THAT TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL TO BE REVIEWED? CORRECT. 
          THAT, OKAY. 
          ANY, ANY STIPULATION OR REVISION THAT'S REQUIRED OR AMENDMENT THAT'S REQUIRED AS PART OF A STIPULATION WOULD, WOULD BE REVIEWED BY O H P STAFF AT THE STAFF LEVEL. 
          AND IF YOU FIND THERE ARE INSUFFICIENT, WILL, WILL IT COME BACK TO US FOR THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IF, IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF THAT WOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UM, THE, UH, MISSION MANUAL, UM, IS, IS PRETTY FLEXIBLE AS FAR AS WHAT IT ALLOWS AN APPLICANT TO INSTALL. 
          UH, SO I DON'T FORESEE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, COMMISSIONER GROUP, WELL, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION AND THE APPLICANT, UH, AGREEING TO ALL THE STIPULATIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE WITH ALL STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND. 
          MOTION SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SAVINO? AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 1 26 19 0 7 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL. 
          TWO, ONE DEMOLISH AN EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          TWO. 
          CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          THREE. 
          CONSTRUCT A REAR ADDITION TO FEATURE APPROXIMATELY 110 SQUARE FEET. 
          FOUR. 
          INSTALL VARIOUS REAR YARD LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS. 
          FIVE. 
          INSTALL A WOOD GATE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PRIMARY HISTORIC STRUCTURE. 
          SIX. 
          MODIFY THE EXISTING PORCH STEPS BY INSTALLING STACKED LIMESTONE PORCH STEPS AND A STEEL HANDRAIL. 
          AND SEVEN, MODIFIED THE EXISTING FULL WIDTH DRIVEWAY TO BE A RIBBON STRIP DRIVEWAY. 
          INSTALL A LOW ROCK WALL WITHIN THE FRONT YARD AND PERFORM FRONT YARD LANDSCAPING MODIFICATIONS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE DEACON, THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS D THROUGH F WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH THE CITY CONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE AND SELECT, EXCUSE ME, AND SELECTS A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE DECONSTRUCTION FORM SUBMISSION AND PER PERMITTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE U D C CHAPTER 12. 
          ARTICLE TWO IS NOTED IN FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, THE CONSTRUCTION OF HER REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE BASED ON FINDINGS G THROUGH I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE PROPOSED METAL ROOFING BE STANDING SEAM AND FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES IN WIDTH SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES IN HEIGHT, A SMOOTH PROFILE AND A STANDARD GAVEL AND FINISH. 
          TWO, THAT THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLAD WOULD WINDOWS ADHERE TO THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR EDITION BASED ON FINDING J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION. 
          ONE THAT THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLAD WOULD WINDOW ADHERES TO THE ADOPTED POLICY GUIDE FOR WINDOWS IN ADDITIONS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE INSTALLATION OF A REAR YARD LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS AS SUBMITTED BASED ON FINDING K STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM NUMBER FIVE, THE INSTALLATION OF A SIDE YARD FENCE AND GATE BASED ON FINDING L WITH THE STIPULATION THAT A DETAIL BE SUBMITTED TO O H P STAFFER REVIEW AND APPROVAL, NOTING THE OVERALL PROFILE AND MATERIALS STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SIX. 
          FRONT PORCH MODIFICATIONS BASED ON FINDING M AS PROPOSED WHILE STAFF FINDS THE INSULATION OF A STEEL HANDRAIL TO BE APPROPRIATE. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF STACKED LIMESTONE SLABS TO FUNCTION AS PORCH STEPS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES NOR HISTORIC EXAMPLE OF EXAMPLES OF PORCHES FOUND WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          PORCH. 
          STEPS SHOULD BE REPAIRED IN KIND STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM SEVEN, FRONT YARD AND DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE INFIELD GRAVEL MATERIAL AND THAT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS BE INSTALLED THE FULL LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT 
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A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING BED. 
          THREE, THAT THE FRONT WALKWAY BE RESTORED TO A SIMPLE POURED CONCRETE WALK THAT FLARES NEAR THE PORCH. 
          STEPS FOUR THAT THE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED FLAGSTONE PAVING BE REMOVED FROM THE FRONT YARD. 
          THE APPLICANT MAY RESUBMIT A DESIGN THAT FEATURES A SMALLER DECOMPOSED GRANITE OR STEPPING STONE PATH IF ACCESS BETWEEN THE WALKWAY AND DRIVEWAY IS NECESSARY WHILE MAINTAINING THE MAJORITY OF THE NATURAL FRONT LAWN AREA IS NATIVE GREEN SPACE. 
          AND FIVE THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT WALL SHOULD BE ELIMINATED AS THERE IS NO PRECEDENCE FOR THIS FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. 
          THE APPLICANT, MR. ERIC SCHNEEMAN, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          HELLO, I'M ERIC SCHNEEMAN AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO DEFER TO THE ARCHITECT WHO CAME UP WITH THIS. 
          MATTHEW. 
          HELLO. 
          UM, SO WE, I THINK, UH, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU'D INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. 
          MY NAME IS MATTHEW LKA, EXCUSE ME. 
          UH, AND I'M WORKING ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT, MR. ERIC SCHNEEMAN, WHO IS THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE, UH, AGREE WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS WITH ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE, UH, AND WE'LL, UH, SUBMIT THE NECESSARY, UH, MODIFICATIONS THERE. 
          UM, ON ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN, I GUESS WE WERE HOPING TO AT LEAST, UH, DISCUSS OR EXPLORE SOME KIND OF MIDDLE GROUND. 
          UH, THE CASE BEING THAT MY CLIENT HAD, UH, PRIOR TO CONTRACTING WITH ME, UM, REPAIRED HIS DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS, UH, HAD BEEN DETERIORATED AND CRACKED. 
          UH, AND IN SO DOING, UH, KIND OF FILLED IN THE, THE, THE MIDDLE GAP IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN, UH, PUT DOWN THE, THE FLAGSTONE PAVERS AS WELL. 
          AND SO BECAME NON-COMPLIANT. 
          UM, NOW HE, HE, HE DID THAT NOT KNOWING THE KIND OF, UH, RAMIFICATIONS AND, AND HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. 
          AND SO TO, UH, I GUESS FORCE HIM TO TEAR OUT WHAT HE'S ALREADY DONE AND THEN INSTALL SOMETHING NEW. 
          UM, IT SEEMS LIKE A, AN UNNECESSARY ECONOMIC HARDSHIP. 
          TO THAT END, I'VE PROPOSED A DESIGN THAT, UH, INTENDS TO KIND OF, UH, AMELIORATE THE NON-COMPLIANT FEATURES OF, OF WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          UM, SO LOOKING AT, UH, I GUESS ITEM NUMBER SIX ABOUT THE FRONT, FRONT PORCH STEPS, I THINK WE'RE FINE. 
          GOING BACK TO THE, THE CONCRETE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS. 
          I GUESS I WOULD, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF WE COULD KEEP THE SHAPE THAT IS PROPOSED IN THE DESIGN. 
          UM, THERE I THINK IS A SEPARATE, YEAH, HERE WE GO. 
          UM, TO WHERE IT'S, WE HAVE A, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT RIGHT THERE, THANK YOU. 
          UM, THAT WE ALLOW BROADER TREADS AND ACTUALLY TREADS THAT APPROACH FROM BOTH THE STREET FACE AND THE DRIVEWAY FACE AS, AS SHOWN IN THE DRAWING. 
          UM, SO A AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE MOVING AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED STACKED LIMESTONE SLABS IN FAVOR OF THE CONCRETE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, I GUESS IF, IF THAT SHAPE IS ACCEPTABLE. 
          WELL, IF, UM, WE'VE GOT A SPEAKER TO BE HEARD AND A VOICEMAIL BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          SO IF YOU, UH, ADDRESS YOUR OTHER CONCERNS AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED IN THAT WAY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, REGARDING, I GUESS ITEM SEVEN, UH, 0.2, I'M SORRY, SEVEN POINT, UH, FOUR THAT ALL THE FLAGSTONE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED BE REMOVED. 
          UM, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO, TO SEEK, I GUESS, RELIEF FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO, TO REMOVE ALL OF THAT. 
          IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY NECESSITATE A COMPLETELY NEW DRIVEWAY AS THE PORTION OF, OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S COVERED IN THE FLAGSTONE CURRENTLY. 
          UM, WOULDN'T, COULDN'T BE REPAIRED BY JUST TAKING OFF THE FLAGSTONE. 
          IT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY JACK HAMMERED OUT AND, AND REPAVED. 
          UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE CONSIDERATION THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN ITEM 7.5, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, KIND OF STACKED LANDSCAPE WALL SHOWN ON THE DRAWING, UH, WAS IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE A VISUAL BUFFER TO THE FLAGSTONE PATH BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE FRONT APPROACH PATH, UH, SUCH THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TIED TO THAT, BUT IF WE WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE, THE FLAGSTONE PATH BETWEEN THE APPROACH PATH AND THE DRIVEWAY, THAT IS AN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE A VISUAL BUFFER SUCH THAT IT'S NOT, THAT THAT 
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CONNECTION WHICH IS NON-COMPLIANT WOULD BE VISUALLY SCREENED FROM THE STREET. 
          UH, SO WE, AGAIN, WE ARE, WE'RE FINE TO GET AWAY, GO AWAY FROM THAT WALL. 
          UM, IF WE CAN KEEP THE, UH, THE CONNECTING FLAGSTONE PATH. 
          UM, AND I GUESS I'LL, I'LL ALSO JUST MENTION WE DID SUBMIT ANOTHER GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE, UM, THAT JUST SHOWS OF THE 23 HOUSES ON ERIC'S BLOCK. 
          UM, I COUNT ONLY EIGHT THAT HAVE THE, UH, SPLIT DRIVEWAY. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THE DRIVEWAY THAT HAS THE DISTINCT, UH, TIRE TREADS THAT THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          WE, UM, REINTRODUCE FOR THE FULL LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOME ROTATION THERE. 
          UH, AND I THINK THAT SUMS UP WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST, UM, EXPLORE THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SPEAKER TO BE HEARD. 
          UH, WE DO. 
          WE HAVE BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          UH, MS. MALDONADO RECEIVE, UM, FOUR MINUTES. 
          TOM SIMMONS IS ALSO HERE AND HAS YIELDED HIS TIME. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          MY NAME IS BIANCA MALDONADO. 
          I CHAIR THE MONTICELLO PARK ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE OFFERING COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF DREA GARZA, THE PRESIDENT OF MONTICELLO PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, PO BOX 1 0 0 3 1 5 7 8 2 0 1. 
          WE THANK THE APPLICANT. 
          WE THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THEIR CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1907 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY. 
          WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT A RESOLUTION TO THE PROPERTY'S OUTSTANDING VIOLATION, THE REMOVAL OF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, THE WALKWAY, AND THE FRONT YARD, RESULTING IN AN INSTALLATION OF FLAGSTONE AND THE CREATION OF A SOLID DRIVEWAY COMPLETED WITHOUT A C OF A IN MAY OF 2021 WILL BE ADDRESSED. 
          WE NOTE THE CASE HISTORY INFORMATION, WHICH REFERENCES PRIOR H D R C ACTION ON THE DRIVEWAY AND THE WALKWAY FROM JUNE 16TH, 2021. 
          AND THE APPLICANT APPEALED THIS DECISION BY H D R C TO BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ON AUGUST 16TH, 2021, WHERE B O A AFFIRMED H DRCS DECISION FROM JUNE 16TH, 2021. 
          THE H D R C RECOMMENDATION IN 2021 WAS FOR THE APPLICANT TO REINSTALL THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT APPROACH CONCRETE WALKWAY AND REMOVAL OF ALL THE FLAGSTONE. 
          THE CASE INFORMATION HAS BEEN SENT TO H D R C, THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PACKET, AND ALSO THE LINK TO THE PRIOR H D R C CASE. 
          WE SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          HOWEVER, WE ASK FOR H D R C TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL STIPULATION FOR THE APPLICANT TO BE ISSUED A C OF A FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THAT SEPARATELY THE ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C OF A FOR A ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE. 
          WE REQUEST THIS ADDITIONAL STIPULATION AS WE ARE CONCERNED, THE NEWEST PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS ITEMS NUMBER ONE THROUGH FIVE, THE DEMOLITION, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, AND THE REAR LANDSCAPING WILL BE PRIORITIZED OVER ADDRESSING THE EXISTING VIOLATIONS IN THE FRONT YARD FOR MAY OF 2021. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF OUR COMMENTS. 
          I WILL ALSO ADD DURING THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING, THE APPLICANT DID EXPRESS AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OF HAVING TO UNDO THE WORK. 
          HOWEVER, HE WAS CONTACTED WITH AMPLE TIME BEFORE THE FLAGSTONE AND BEFORE THE CONCRETE WAS POURED BY STAFF. 
          HE CHOSE TO, IN HIS WORDS, TAKE HIS CHANCES WITH H D R C AND COMPLETED THE WORK WITHOUT A C OF A AND NOW HAS TO REMOVE IT IS OUR INTENTION AND OUR HOPE THAT YOU WILL UPHOLD YOUR PRIOR DECISION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND A VOICEMAIL. 
          HI, MY NAME IS TED RA, THE PRESIDENT FOR THE JEFFERSON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, 2352 WEST MULBERRY, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 1. 
          UM, I'M ADDRESSING I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6 19 0 7 WEST KINGS HIGHWAY, H D R C. 
          CASE NUMBER IS 2023 DASH 1 26. 
          WE SUPPORT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN WITH STIPULATIONS. 
          WE REQUEST THE H D R C TO UPHOLD THEIR PRIOR DECISION FROM JUNE, 2021 TO RESTORE THE RIBBON, DRIVEWAY AND CONCRETE WALKWAY. 
          J A SUPPORTS THE H DRCS POSITION WHEN THE APPLICANT APPEALED THE CASE TO THE BOARD OF THE ADJUSTMENTS IN AUGUST, 2021. 
          PLEASE ADDRESS THE OUTSTANDING VIOLATION BEFORE ANY MORE WORK IS STARTED ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          BYE-BYE. 
          WOULD Y'ALL LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE? UH, 
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NO. 
          I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE MUCH TO SAY. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY NEW INFORMATION TO PROVIDE. 
          I, I GUESS I WOULD JUST RE URGE THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THE, YEAH, THE, THE E ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OF HAVING TO REDO, UM, ALL THIS, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AN OUTSTANDING CASE ON THIS BLOCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. CHAIRMAN? THIS IS COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          YOU JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF AS TO, UM, WHAT THE PREVIOUS, WHAT THE, WHAT THE MOTION WAS ON THE PREVIOUS DECISION LAST SUMMER? CORRECT. 
          UM, SO I'LL, UH, REFERENCE FINDING B UH, SCOPES OF WORK WERE COMPLETED WITHIN THE FRONT YARD WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. 
          IN MAY, 2021, UH, WORK WAS DONE IN DISREGARD OF A STOP WORK ORDER. 
          THE H D R C DENIED THE REQUESTED WORK, UM, AND SUBSEQUENT APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO OVERTURN THE H DRC. 
          H DRCS DECISION WAS ALSO DENIED. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          ESSENTIALLY THE REQUEST WAS TO INSTALL A FLAGSTONE FRONT WALKWAY IN PLACE OF THE ORIGINAL CONCRETE TO INSTALL FLAGSTONE PAVING WITHIN THE FRONT YARD AND TO, UH, INSTALL A FULL WIDTH CONCRETE DRIVEWAY THAT INCLUDED A FLAGSTONE ELEMENT. 
          UH, AND THAT ENTIRE SCOPE OF WORK WAS DENIED BY THE H D R C. 
          AND THAT SCOPE OF WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH ITEMS FIVE AND SIX. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY SIX AND SEVEN, EXCUSE ME, SIX AND SEVEN. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO I'LL, UH, REFERENCE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          UH, THE SITE PLAN AS DRAWN HERE, UH, IS, IS THIS IS WHAT'S PRESENT. 
          SO THE FRONT WALKWAY IS FLAGSTONE INSTEAD OF POURED CONCRETE. 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO FLAGSTONE PAVING WITHIN THE FRONT YARD. 
          UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, UM, THIS HERE IS POURED FULL CONCRETE. 
          WELL, LET ME DRAW THAT. 
          THIS IS POURED FULL CONCRETE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING THE SAW CUT THAT, UH, TO, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UH, PARTIALLY REINSTALL THE, THE RIBBON STRIP. 
          MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GIBBS. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          SO YOU, UM, THE WORK WAS STARTED WITHOUT A, UM, WITHOUT A SEAL. 
          I MEAN WITHOUT, IT WAS IN VIOLATION, SO IT WAS A VIOLATION OF WORK ORDER. 
          UM, YOU ASKED TO STOP, YOU CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ANYWAY, UM, SO IT WENT FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, THEY SAID, SAID NO UPHELD HD C'S DECISION. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, 'CAUSE THE CHAIR ASKED, DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, UM, THE CONCERN OR, I MEAN, WHAT CAME UP FROM, UM, REBECCA MALDONADO, UH, FROM MONTICELLO PARK ASSOCIATION? AND YOU SAID NO. 
          SO OTHER THAN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR JUST WANTING TO KEEP THAT IN THERE? BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALREADY BEEN DENIED TWICE. 
          UM, SO WHEN, UM, WHEN I HAD MOVED INTO MY HOUSE, IT WAS DURING THAT HORRIBLE STORM, UM, IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY OF 2021. 
          UM, SO, AND AGAIN, THE PAPERWORK THAT I HAD RECEIVED HAD NOT ACTUALLY, UM, MARKED THAT I NEEDED TO RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE, THAT THERE WAS NO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, NO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, ANYTHING OF THAT SORT. 
          UM, ALSO AS I NOTED, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE WAS A JEFFERSON, UM, HISTORIC DISTRICT OR, UH, MONTICELLO, UM, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THAT, UM, IN THAT SENSE. 
          UM, AND SO WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS, AGAIN, MY, THE ISSUES WHY I GOT STARTED ON THE DRIVEWAY WAS BECAUSE OF MY FATHER'S KNEES AND THE DIFFICULTY HE WAS HAVING WALKING ON THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS CRUMBLING AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO I FELT I NEEDED TO GET THAT FIXED QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, BY THAT POINT I HAD REBARB, UM, ALREADY PLACED IN, I HAD A MA MAJOR HOLE. 
          IT WAS GOING TO CAUSE AN EVEN FURTHER ACCIDENT. 
          AND I WAS EVEN WORRIED ABOUT FURTHER, YOU KNOW, LIABILITIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF I HAD LEFT THE WORK JUST, UM, HALTED AND UNFINISHED, UM, AGAIN, I WOULD'VE HAD, UM, A MAJOR TRIPPING HAZARD AND, AND OTHER SORT OF HAZARD, UM, UH, PLAY, UM, THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AFTER GOING THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND EVERYTHING, AND WORKING WITH MR. HALL HERE, THAT THE, THE IDEA WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO WORK TOWARDS MODIFYING, UM, THE DRIVEWAY, MODIFYING WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THIS WAS A SOLUTION OF MODIFICATION. 
          UM, AS I UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE, WHAT THE TASK, UM, GIVEN TO ME WAS, UM, BY MR. HALL. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS 
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OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? MR. CHAIR? UH, . 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          YES. 
          UM, IN THE PREVIOUS REQUEST OF THE PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATIONS, WAS THERE ANY REFERENCE TO A A D A, UH, ASSESSMENTS OR A D A ACCESS IN THE PROJECT THAT WAS DENIED TWO TIMES BEFORE? I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY RECALL, BUT I, I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT, I DO REMEMBER HIM SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, THE NEED FOR HIS FATHER TO HAVE A MORE STABLE, UH, WALKING SURFACE. 
          AND THAT'S ALSO THE NEED FOR, THAT'S WHY WE ALSO WANT TO ADJUST THE STAIRS AS WELL. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT'S A TRIPPING HAZARD FOR HIM. 
          OH, THAT'S ALSO WHY WE WANNA REPLACE THE, THE STAIRS, UM, LEADING UP TO, TO THE PORCH AS WELL, OR AT LEAST MAKE THOSE LARGER SO IT'S EASIER FOR HIM TO PUT A FOOTHOLD ON IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I WISH TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF I MAY. 
          I WANTED TO RE UNDERSTAND THE, THE CHA THE STEPS. 
          SO WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THE STEPS? THE FLAGSTONE? NOTHING, THE LIMESTONE, THE FRONT PORCH STEPS ARE STILL THE ORIGINAL, UH, EXISTING. 
          THOSE, THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN CHANGED. 
          SO THE DRAWING THAT YOU MADE, IT'S MORE LIKE EXPANDING OUT? CORRECT. 
          IT'S INCREASING THE, THE TREAD DEPTH. 
          UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S CLOSER TO 11 INCHES, UH, EACH, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THE CURRENT STEPS ARE NOT CODE COMPLIANT, UH, BECAUSE THE RISERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. 
          HEIGHTS AS WELL AS THE TREADS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT DEPTHS. 
          SO, UH, REGARDLESS OF IF THIS IS ACCEPTED, THE, I THINK THE, THE FRONT STEPS DO NEED TO BE, UH, RE POURED AND COMMISSIONER GRU UH, STAFF HAS SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE STEPS. 
          UM, AND THERE CAN BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK APPROVED THAT, UH, BRINGS THE STEPS TO CODE THAT MAINTAINS THE GENERAL PROFILE. 
          UM, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AN INCREASE IN, IN, IN RUN OF TWO OR THREE INCHES THAT WON'T DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE PROFILE, UM, LIKE WHAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, UM, THAT WE COULD REVIEW ADMINISTRATIVELY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR WILLINGNESS ON, LIKE, 'CAUSE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, UM, AND YOU WERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOCUSED ON THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, BUT WOULD YOU THEN BE WILLING TO REMOVE THE FLAGSTONE AND PUT THE CONCRETE IF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY WAS ACCEPTED AS A FULL CONCRETE, OR WHAT WAS THE, OR JUST EVERYTHING AS IS? WELL, WE, I, I, I GUESS WE'D, WE'D LIKE TO KEEP, UH, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM,  YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. 
          SO, UM, I, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, UH, A GOOD COMPROMISE IF WE COULD DO JUST THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, UM, FOR THE FRONT FIRST 10 FEET TO THE JOINT WHERE THE, THE FLAGSTONE STARTS AND THEN MAYBE TAKE OUT THE, THE FLAGSTONE, UH, IN THE YARD AREA, UH, SEEMS TO ME TO BE A, A REASONABLE COMPROMISE. 
          UM, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SURFACE MATERIAL THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING THAT IS ALREADY THERE. 
          UM, A D A REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS ARE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL SPACES AND PUBLIC SPACES. 
          THEY'RE NOT REALLY, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO, UM, BUT THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE A LOT OF US FROM USING A D A STANDARDS WHEN WE WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT IS A BENEFIT WHEN, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE AND WHEN IT WORKS. 
          UM, BUT IT IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          TELL ME ABOUT THE SURFACE OF THE FLAGSTONE RELATIVE TO WHAT THE SURFACE OF POURED CONCRETE PROVIDES THAT MAKES IT ACTUALLY AN A D A BENEFIT. 
          MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT THE CONCRETE IS A FAR SUPERIOR SURFACE. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THE FLAGSTONE IN ITS IRREGULARITIES IS MAKING IT AN A D A OR A BENEFIT, LET'S SAY A, A BENEFIT FOR, I MEAN, SOMEBODY, AGAIN, THAT WAS MY DAD'S PREFERENCE. 
          I MEAN, I, WHEN I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING HE WAS, HE WAS VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND WAS COMFORTABLE WALKING ON IT. 
          UM, AND DIDN'T RAISE ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, YES, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, I MEAN, WE ARE SORT OF GOING WITH OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE AS TO WHAT IS IS COMFORTABLE AND CONVENIENT FOR US AND CONVENIENT FOR MY DAD. 
          UM, 
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WHAT HAS HAPPENED THOUGH, AND AGAIN, WHAT WE HAD HOPED AS PART OF THIS LARGER PROJECT WITH THE STEPS LEADING UP TO THE PORCH, AGAIN, THOSE ARE OF MADE IN SUCH A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HE IT IS, YEAH, HE, HE ALWAYS FEARS EVERY TIME HE'S ABOUT TO STEP DOWN FROM THEM, UM, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD. 
          'CAUSE WE BOTH HAVE, WE'RE OUR FEET ARE, ARE, ARE, WE HAVE SIZE 12 SHOE, AND AS WE JUST SAID, IT'S A SIZE 11 AND IT'S SORT OF HANGING OVER AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE LIP IN THERE THAT'S VERY EASY TO TRIP ON. 
          SO, UM, NO, IT IS A UNCOMFORTABLE GETTING UP AND DOWN THOSE STAIRS AS WELL. 
          THE, THE, UM, THE HANDRAIL WILL BE A GREAT BENEFIT, YES, FOR ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY I COULD UNDERSTAND ALLOWING A, UH, A NARROW 36 INCH WIDE CONCRETE DIRECT WALKWAY FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO THE FRONT WALKWAY, UM, THAT WOULD SUFFICIENTLY ALLOW SOMEBODY TO COME FROM THE DRIVEWAY SAFELY TO THE MAIN FRONT ENTRY. 
          UM, BUT I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT THE FLAGSTONE IS THE OPTIMUM MATERIAL FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. 
          YEAH, I JUST HAVE A ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT WAS, UH, GENERATED BY THAT, THAT DISCUSSION. 
          THE, UM, THE FLAGSTONES AT THE DRIVE, IS THERE A SLAB UNDERNEATH THAT OR ARE THEY JUST SAND SET AND, AND AND MORTARED INTO PLACE? THERE'S A SLAB, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO I WAS NOT INVOLVED AT THAT TIME, BUT, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A SLAB BENEATH IT. 
          THERE IS A STRUCTURAL SLAB UNDERNEATH, BUT I WILL SAY THAT REMOVING THE FLAGSTONE, I, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD SALVAGE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH. 
          AND IT WOULD ALSO BE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL. 
          AND YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO POUR A TOPPING SLAB ON TOP, SUCH THAT IF YOU DID REMOVE THE FLAGSTONE FROM THE DRIVEWAY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE UNDERNEATH IT AS WELL AND POUR A NEW SLAB. 
          SO YOU DON'T THINK YOU COULD, UH, ROUGHEN UP THAT SLAB AND PUT A BONDING AGENT ON THERE AND DO A TOPPING SLAB. 
          I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT. 
          UM, BECAUSE ONE PROPOSAL I WAS GONNA MAKE IS IF YOU RETAINED THE FLAGSTONE IN THE CHANNEL BETWEEN THE TIRE STRIPS AND POURED THE CONCRETE, UH, YOU KNOW, STRIPS ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE WE SEE THE, THE NEW CONCRETE ENDS, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE SOME MODIFICATION OF THE CONCRETE THAT'S BEEN PLACED THERE. 
          I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW. 
          SO, UH, COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? SO IN THE VIEW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WE SEE THAT THERE IS A SOLID AREA OF CONCRETE RIGHT THERE AT THE, AT THE EXISTING APRON, RIGHT? THEN IT GOES TO FLAGSTONE AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO SOLID CONCRETE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, IMAGINE IF YOU HAD CONTINUOUS CONCRETE TIRE STRIPS WITH A CONTINUOUS AREA OF FLAGSTONE DOWN THE MIDDLE AND THEN HAVE THAT CORRELATE TO A FLAGSTONE WALK, A NARROW FLAGSTONE WALK, AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER HAD SUGGESTED THAT COULD GIVE YOU THAT LINKAGE OVER TO THE, TO THE FRONT STEPS. 
          SO A CONCRETE RIBBON DRIVEWAY, BUT IN THE GAP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY IS INFILLED WITH FLAGSTONE. 
          IS, IS, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT NOW? RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST TO THAT AND TO RELATE IT TO OTHER FLAGSTONE BEING INTRODUCED, I GUESS, UH, I THINK IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA. 
          I MEAN, IN MY MIND, I, I WOULD FEEL LIKE THE, UH, WOMAN THAT, THAT OPPOSED FROM, FROM MONTICELLO PARK, UH, I, I GUESS IN MY MIND THAT WOULDN'T BE A, A REALLY RIBBON DRIVEWAY ANYMORE. 
          UM, BUT, BUT I MEAN, THAT MIGHT BE FOR STAFF TO, TO DECIDE IF, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR, OR NOT. 
          WELL, YOU CAN COME BACK WITH, UH, ALTERNATES, UH, EVEN IF WE MAKE A DECISION IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSAL HERE. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVALS OF ITEM ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL STIPULATION THAT A C OF A C O EIGHT NOT BE, UH, ISSUED UNTIL ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN ARE RESOLVED. 
          AND THEN A, UM, A MOVE FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ITEMS SIX AND SEVEN AND FURTHER MOVE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WORK WITH STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY TO RECONFIGURE THE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH STEPS AS, UH, MR. HALL HAD MENTIONED. 
          SECOND, WE HAVE MOTION A SECOND. 
          ADD THE HANDRAIL TO THAT BECAUSE THE HANDRAIL IS IN ITEM SIX AND I THINK, OR IS THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED TO THE, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          LET ME PULL UP. 
          PARDON ME. 
          UH, SO, UM, ITEM SIX, UM, THE AMENDMENT, AN AMENDMENT COULD BE MADE TO INCLUDE THE HANDRAIL, UM, OR ALSO YOU COULD JUST NOTE THAT STAFF CAN ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE A HAND THE HANDRAIL BASED ON H D R C REVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I CONCUR WITH THAT. 
          SO 
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GO AHEAD AND, AND INCLUDE THE HANDRAIL AS, AS ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED BY STAFF. 
          AND MY SECOND STANDS, SECOND STANCE. 
          SO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON YOUR MOTION? WELL, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, THE PROJECT HISTORY AND, UH, GIVEN THE EXTENSIVENESS, I THINK THE, THE MOST EGREGIOUS PART FOR ME IS THE, THE, THE LOSS OF THE FRONT YARD, UH, AS A RESULT OF ALL OF THE FLAGSTONES. 
          AND SO, UM, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A WAY IN WHICH YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RECYCLE THE FLAGSTONES, USE THEM IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE TO PROVIDE SORT OF A, A MORE CONTINUOUS PAVING STRIP DOWN THE, DOWN THE CENTER, UM, AND REDUCE THE, UH, THE CONNECTION FROM THE DRIVE TO THE, TO THE STEPS AS, AS, UH, AS MONICA HAS SUGGESTED. 
          UM, BUT OTHERWISE, I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROTRACTED NATURE OF THIS, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF GONE ROUND AND ROUND. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO, TO UPHOLD THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE BACK IN, UM, IN, UH, JUNE OF 2021. 
          I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON TO DEVIATE FROM THAT SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER GRU? YES, IF I MAY. 
          I AM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT IN AGREEMENT. 
          I THINK THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE DON'T REALLY FIND FLAGSTONE. 
          AND I ALSO DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE, I MEAN, THERE WAS CLEAR INDICATION, UM, WHETHER IT'S, UH, A D A ACCESSIBLE OR NOT. 
          I THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE WORKED TO A SOLUTION TO HELP YOUR DAD BEFORE MAKING THE WORK. 
          SO, UM, AND I THINK THAT COULD BEEN A PART OF THAT DISCUSSION BACK THEN. 
          I THINK THE STEPS IN THE RAILING IS A, IS A STEP FORWARD, BUT I AM, I'M, I'M AGREE THAT THE WALKWAY FROM THE STREET UP TO THE STEPS NEEDS TO BE CONCRETE. 
          THAT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WORKS FINE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WE CAN GO BACK AND DISCUSS OPTIONS FOR THE RIBBON DRIVEWAY OR IF, WHETHER FLAGSTONE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH NOT REALLY SOMETHING, BUT SOMEWHERE RECREATING THAT RIBBON DRIVEWAY SOMEHOW, EVEN IF IT'S THE EXISTING CONCRETE AND IN FILLING WITH SOMETHING MATILDA IN THE MIDDLE, WHETHER IT'S GRAVEL OR THE FLAGSTONES, AND THEN, UH, REDUCING THAT PATH BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, AND THE WALKWAY. 
          BUT I, I WOULDN'T ACCEPT FLAG. 
          OH, JUST FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR ANOTHER OPTION, IS I, I WOULD SAY THE FLAGSTONE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM THAT WALKWAY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE CONCRETE WALKWAY FROM THE STREET. 
          ARE THERE COMMENTS? I'D LIKE TO YES, MR. CHAIR? OH, YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, I WAS, UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MY OTHER TWO COMMISSIONS AS WELL. 
          AND ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE WAS THAT I WAS PREPARED, PREPARED TO ASK MS. MALDONADO WHY IS IT SHE DIDN'T APPROACH THE OWNER AHEAD OF TIME TO PREVENT SOME OF THIS FROM HAPPENING. 
          AND WHEN I SAY HER, I MEAN THE ASSOCIATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT SHE DID APPROACH THEM AND DID TRY AND HEAD THIS OFF AT THE PASS. 
          UH, BECAUSE I SEE THIS HAPPENING A FEW TIMES IN, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, UH, THAT COD WITH THE FACT THAT THIS HAS GONE AROUND TWO TIMES ALREADY ONCE TO ABOARD ABOVE US, THAT, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T NEED, NEED TO HAPPEN. 
          I MEAN, SO I'M IN CONCURRENCE WITH, WITH WHAT THE, UH, MOTIONS AND THE AMENDMENT AND THE AMENDMENT IS, AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I JUST, YES, SIR. 
          I WANNA ADD TO, UM, TO THIS, UM, Y YOU KNOW, TO, TO ME, AN INTERESTING THING IS THAT THERE WERE TWO PRESENTATIONS. 
          THERE WAS ONE PRESENTATION THAT WAS REALLY A ANSWER AS, UH, UH, RESPONDING TO KINDA THE GENERAL CONCERNS OF STAFF IN THE H D R C, BUT THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S THE SON IN THE, IN THE HOUSEHOLD IS HE, HE, HE GAVE A PRESENTATION THAT TO ME SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST PRESENTATION. 
          IT, IT, THERE, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE EXPECT AND, AND WHAT IT, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR HIS FATHER, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY PARAMOUNT. 
          AND THAT IN, IN WHATEVER AGREEMENTS ARE MADE BETWEEN H D R C AND THIS APPLICANT, WE REALLY SHOULD BE VERY SENSITIVE TO, TO THE NEEDS OF, OF, OF, UH, THE, THOSE, THOSE HOMEOWNERS OR THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE DEALING WITH, UH, ISSUES OF ACCESSIBILITY. 
          AND THAT FOR THEM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BECAUSE THEY'RE THE TAXPAYER THAT'S BEEN LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND, AND, AND PAYING THE TAX AND THAT IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND, UH, UH, UH, ADEQUATE ACCOMMODATIONS. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE YOU COULD SAY, WELL GO LIVE IN ANOTHER AREA. 
          'CAUSE A HOUSE IN ANOTHER AREA WOULD PROBABLY START AT $350,000. 
          SO SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF ALL OF THIS, INSIDE OF THIS DECISION, I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ACCESSIBLE NEEDS OF, OF THIS GENTLEMAN'S FATHER ARE MET IN WHATEVER CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA TURN THE CLOCK BACK AND GO TO STRICTLY A RIBBON, UM, UM, UM, DRIVEWAY, JUST, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF SAYING, WELL, THERE, THERE, THERE, NOW WE RAG OUR FINGER AT YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF, OF WHAT'S WHAT SEEMS TO BE AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO, YOU KNOW, COULD THE PROPERTY HAS A RIGHT TO CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT WE THINK ABOUT 
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HIM GETTING INSIDE OF HIS HOUSE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I AGREE WITH, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON THE, THE MOTION I'LL BE SUPPORTING IT. 
          UH, AND JUST NOTING THAT ANY ACCOMMODATIONS THAT, UM, WERE TRYING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THIS PROJECT, UH, I BELIEVE COULD HAVE BEEN WORKED THROUGH, UH, WITH STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE GETTING TO ALL THE, UH, FLAGSTONE THAT'S ON HERE AND ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WOULD'VE, UM, BENEFITED, UH, THE RESIDENTS. 
          UM, MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SABINO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GRO AYE. 
          ANTE? YES. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT THE MOTION IS. 
          SO YOU, YOU APPROVED ONE THROUGH FIVE, BUT WERE COMPLETELY REJECTED. 
          SIX AND SEVEN IS, IS THAT ACCURATE? UH, NOT QUITE. 
          SO ONE THROUGH FIVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SO THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD ALREADY AGREED TO, THAT'S HOW ONE THROUGH FIVE WERE APPROVED? YEP. 
          UH, NUMBER SIX. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY THE PORCH RAIL AND A MODIFICATION TO THE PORCH STEPS TO INCREASE THEIR DEPTH AND HEIGHT IF NEEDED FOR A D A ACCESS. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE THE APPROVAL TO WORK ON THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY WITH STAFF. 
          UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY THING THAT NEEDS, UH, TO BE FURTHER ADDRESSED DIRECTLY WITH STAFF AND OR THE COMMISSION WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. 
          UH, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS SAID IS THAT THE FLAGSTONE WALKWAY SHOULD BE RETURNED TO CONCRETE. 
          THE FLAGSTONE BETWEEN THE WALKWAY AND THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE REMOVED AND THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE RESTORED TO RIBBON STRIP AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO BASICALLY A REVERSAL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITION. 
          UH, NOW, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID IS THAT, UM, IF YOU WANT TO STILL TRY TO FIND AN IN-BETWEEN, UH, THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION, BUT WHILE PROVIDING A D A ACCESS ON SITE OR A A SURFACE THAT'S, UH, EASIER FOR YOUR FATHER TO WALK ON, YOU CAN COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND, AND ADDRESS THE SECOND PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN H D R C, CASE NUMBER 20 23 1 5 4 1 11 ALAMO PLAZA. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK WITH SIGNAGE IN AN UMBRELLA ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALAMO PLAZA ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA TO INSTALL A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK WITH SIGNAGE IN AN UMBRELLA AT THE CORNER OF ALAMO PLAZA AND BLUM STREET ADJACENT TO RIVER CENTER MALL. 
          THREE. 
          INSTALL A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK WITH SIGNAGE IN AN UMBRELLA AT THE CORNER OF ALAMO PLAZA AND EAST CROCKETT, ADJACENT TO THE ALAMO GROUNDS FOUR INSTALL THREE A-FRAME SIGNS IN FRONT OF THE STOREFRONT AT ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA. 
          APPROXIMATELY 20 OTHER SIGNS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED WITHOUT CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN. 
          THE SIGNS ARE UNAUTHORIZED. 
          ADDITIONALLY, UNAUTHORIZED SIGNAGE HAS BEEN ATTACHED TO PUBLIC SAFETY SIGNS, INCLUDING STOP SIGNS. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS AN UPDATE REGARDING THIS LAST PORTION RIGHT HERE, UM, THAT THESE SIGNS HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED. 
          UM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, THE INSTALLATION OF A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK WITH SIGNAGE AND AN UMBRELLA TO BE LOCATED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE PROPOSED KIOSK BE INSTALLED IN LOCATION AUTHORIZED BY LEASE AGREEMENT WITH CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET IN FRONT OF ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE KIOSK SHALL NOT IMPEDE NORMAL PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT ANY TIME. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEMS TWO AND THREE. 
          THE INSTALLATION OF MOBILE VENDING KIOSK WITH SIGNAGE IN AN UMBRELLA AT THE CORNER OF ALAMO PLAZA AND BLUM STREET AND ALAMO PLAZA IN EAST CROCKETT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INSTALLATION OF ONE MOBILE BENDING KIOSK. 
          TOTAL STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE WITH A STIPULATION TO ONLY ONE. 
          A-FRAME SIGN IS LOCATED ON SITE. 
          THE SIGN IS TO BE LOCATED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA. 
          UH, IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE STIPULATIONS, THE FOLLOWING UNAPPROVED SIGNS ARE TO BE REMOVED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A ALL UNAPPROVED A-FRAME SIGNS LOCATED DOWNTOWN, ALL UNAPPROVED SIGNAGE AT AND IN FRONT OF 1 0 1 AND 1 0 5 ALAMO PLAZA AND ALL UNAPPROVED SIGNAGE, UH, SIGNAGE ATTACHED TO SIGNAGE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, INCLUDING STOP SIGNS. 
          UM, AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY HAS PHOTOS AND AN UPDATED PRESENTATION THAT NOTES, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THIS, IF NOT ALL OF IT. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. MARCO BARROS, IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          UM, AND HE'S HERE WITH STAFF FROM CITY SIGHTING. 
          UH, THANK 
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YOU EITHER. 
          UH, MY NAME IS MARCO BARROS FOR THE RECORDERS, UH, REPRESENTING CITY IIC ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA IN SAN ANTONIO, 7 8 2 0 5. 
          AND I WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME TO ALSO INTRODUCE OUR GENERAL MANAGER, MAN GARCIA AND MARINA AMADOR, WHO IS ALSO IN SALES AND HELPS WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, EDWARD AND STAFF AND SHANNON MILLER AND CORY. 
          SO I THINK MOST OF THESE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE. 
          UH, WE JUST SENT NEW PICTURES TODAY, SO WE ARE, UM, HAPPY TO, UM, GET APPROVAL FOR TO MOVE ON. 
          UH, WE CLEANED UP A LOT OF THE AREA AROUND ALAMO PLAZA. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. 
          IT HAS BEEN A DISASTER AREA FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. 
          UH, IT'S STILL GOING ON CONSTRUCTION WISE. 
          SO WE, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC DETOURS AND A LOT OF CHALLENGES OPERATING. 
          THE ONLY TOUR COMPANY LEFT IN SAN ANTONIO, BY THE WAY. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO FOCUS ON ONE SLIDE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IF THIS ONE, UH, THAT ONE. 
          THANK YOU, EDWARD. 
          I, UM, WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE COMPANY VERY QUICK. 
          UM, IT EMPLOYS 25 LOCALS. 
          UH, THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR 12 YEARS. 
          IT'S THE ONLY COMPANY LEFT IN SAN ANTONIO THAT DOES, UH, TOURS OF HISTORICAL SITES. 
          AND LET ME REEMPHASIZE THAT AND REPEAT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. 
          BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, WE USED TO MOVE ABOUT 300 PEOPLE PASSENGERS A DAY. 
          UH, DURING THE PANDEMIC 2020 AND 2021, THOSE NUMBERS DROPPED TO UNDER 200 PASSENGERS A DAY. 
          UM, WHERE THE ONLY TOUR COMPANY THAT TAKES, UM, CUSTOMERS AND VISITORS AND LOCALS TO ALL THE CITY, UH, SITES LIKE LA VITA HEMISPHERE PARK, TRAVIS PARK, UH, THROUGH HOUSTON STREET, THE SPANISH GOVERNANCE PALACES, MARKET SQUARE, THE ALAMO, SO ON. 
          WE WORK VERY CLOSE WITH THE ALAMO. 
          IN FACT, WE HAVE A PERMIT TO OPERATE AND PARK A, UH, A BUS THERE. 
          AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND VISIT SAN, UH, VISIT SAN ANTONIO, THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS IN CHARGE OF MARKETING SAN ANTONIO CLOSE, THE ONLY WELCOME VISITOR CENTER ON MARCH THE 17TH. 
          AT THIS TIME, UH, THERE'S ONLY TWO ENTITIES PROVIDING INFORMATION. 
          SO IF YOU'RE LOST SOMEWHERE DOWNTOWN, YOU'LL HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES, EITHER AN EMPLOYEE OR STAFF MEMBER FROM CITY SIDE C TO HELP YOU OR, UH, THE FOLKS AT CENTRAL SAN ANTONIO, THE AMBASSADORS, UH, ALL THE OTHER OFFICIAL SITES HAVE BEEN CLOSED. 
          SO WE ARE ACTUALLY FULFILLING A NEED FOR THE VISITORS. 
          AND ACCORDING TO VISIT SAN ANTONIO, WE GET MORE THAN 30 MILLION VISITORS A YEAR. 
          SO IF YOU'RE STANDING SOMEWHERE, AND I, I CAN TELL YOU, I CAN ATTEST TO THIS, I'M IN FRONT OF THE HYATT HOTEL AND REGENCY ON THE CORNER OF LASSO AND CROCKETT, AND PEOPLE ASK ME, WHERE IS THE ALAMO? SO I, THAT QUESTION PROBABLY HAPPENS EVERY DAY. 
          WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO WORK WITH, UH, ED EDWARD AND STAFF AND COREY, UH, IN REMOVING ALL THAT, WE MAY COME BACK. 
          BY THE WAY, THE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE LEFT, THAT WAS THE ONLY VISITOR INFORMATION CENTER IN THE CITY. 
          SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK IN PROVIDING FREE INFORMATION AND FREE MAPS TO ANYONE WHO REQUESTED. 
          AND WE WORK WITH A LOT OF THE HISTORICAL HOTELS ALSO IN TOURS. 
          AND WE'RE OPEN TO QUESTIONS. 
          ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, ABOUT THE REQUESTS, WE MAY COME BACK LATER ON IN THE SUMMER AND WORK ON OTHER SITES TO, TO OPEN OTHER FREE INFORMATION CENTERS. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ACTUALLY WE SIGNED UP IN CASE I'VE RUN OUT OF TIME. 
          SO BOTH MARINA , WE WERE PREPARED MARINA AND, UH, MONEY SIGNED UP JUST IN CASE I NEEDED THREE MORE MINUTES, BUT WE DID IT VERY QUICK. 
          UH, I DO WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF. 
          I, UH, ALSO THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THIS ROOM, UH, A MEMBER OF THE SUNNING COMMISSION. 
          I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION AND WORKING ON A NEW, A LOT OF NEW AIRLINE ROUTES RIGHT NOW. 
          SO I SPEND, I'M SEMI-RETIRED, SO THIS IS ONE OF MY GREAT CLIENTS. 
          SO IT ALLOWS ME A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. 
          AND I DO HAVE ABOUT 15 CLIENTS AND ALL OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE IN THE DOWNTOWN 7, 8, 2 0 5 AREAS. 
          SO I GET TO WALK DOWNTOWN, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, UM, AND STAFF, CAN YOU PULL UP YEAH, THE RECOMMENDATION, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. 
          SO MR. BAR, YOU SAYING THAT YOU ARE AGREEING WITH ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, YES. 
          WE, WE ARE, WE, WE COULD USE A FEW MORE, UM, UMBRELLAS AROUND DOWNTOWN. 
          UH, THE UMBRELLAS DO NOT HAVE ANY ADVERTISING, SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH EDWARD AND THE REQUEST. 
          UH, ONCE WE GET THIS, THE C O, UH, C O A, UH, WE'RE ABLE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO PAY FOR RENTAL THROUGH CENTER, UH, 
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CENTER CITY DEPARTMENT, C C D O. 
          SO THAT REALLY IS THE BENEFIT OF GETTING THE CERTIFICATE. 
          IT'S JUST TO WORK WITH ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT TO GET THE RIGHT, UH, LIKE WE DO ON THE RIVERWALK. 
          UH, 10 OF MY CLIENTS PAY, UH, ADDITIONAL LEASES AND SOME OF THOSE ARE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. 
          SO THERE ARE FEES ASSOCIATED, BUT WE GOTTA GET THE C O A BEFORE WE CAN ENTER INTO A ONE PAGE AGREEMENT WITH CENTER CITY. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU OKAY WITH JUST HAVING ONE KIOSK? UM, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THREE IF WE CAN. 
          UM, WE CLEANED UP THE AREA VERY, VERY WELL. 
          I GOTTA TELL YOU, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THREE LOCATIONS ACROSS, UH, H AND M. 
          UH, THE OWNERS OF THE MANGO HOTEL LOVE THE PROTOTYPE AND THEY, THEY ASK US TO PROVIDE THAT ALSO. 
          UH, SO YOU'RE SEEING A LOT MORE REQUESTING. 
          WE CLOSE, UH, WELL NOT US, BUT THE CITY CLOSE. 
          THE VISITOR INFORMATION CENTER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND THEN ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO TELL YOU. 
          AS I WROTE TODAY, I TOOK MY TIME THAT WE GOTTA WORK WITH TEXDOT. 
          I SAW SIX SIGNS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE VERY MISLEADING. 
          UH, THEY'RE BLUE SIGNS THAT SAYS VISITOR INFORMATION CENTER. 
          THIS WAY THERE'S ONE STILL PLACED ON COMMERCE AS YOU EXIT TO THE RIGHT. 
          SO WE GOTTA WORK WITH TECH.IN REMOVING ALL THOSE SIGNS BECAUSE THAT CENTER IS CLOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, IT'S JUST, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE IT AS, UM, NUMBER THREE RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOU PUT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE. 
          THAT WOULD BE ITEM FOUR, CORRECT? JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M SORRY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER FOUR. 
          UM, AND TO PROVIDE FURTHER CLARIFICATION, WHAT STAFF IS SAYING IS WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ONE MOBILE VENDING KIOSK TO BE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          ONE A-FRAME SIGN. 
          THERE IS SIGNAGE, UM, THAT IS SEEN HERE. 
          UM, THIS SIGN AS WELL AS THE HANGING SIGN RIGHT HERE, UM, THESE SIGNS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, SO STAFF CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
          UH, THE UMBRELLAS THAT ARE LOCATED HERE IN THESE CHAIRS AND SMALL TABLE OUT FRONT, UM, THIS IS REALLY INCIDENTAL. 
          UM, AND IT'S WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, THE LEASE AREA, UH, WHEN THE LEASE IS WORKED OUT WITH C C D O. 
          UH, SO THAT'S GOOD. 
          UM, BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR ONE, A-FRAME ONLY IN FRONT OF THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, ONE KIOSK IN FRONT OF THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION. 
          UH, AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, SORRY, THE APPLICANT CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, AND THE APPLICANT MAY COME BACK WITH THE REQUEST FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, MARCO'S BEEN WORKING PRETTY HARD ON THIS TO, UM, REIGN IN A LOT OF UNAPPROVED SIGNAGE TO GET APPROVALS FOR SIGNAGE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE U D C MM-HMM. 
          . 
          AND THEN AS THE U D C STATES, THE COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IF AN APPLICANT PRESENTS AN APPLICATION FOR THAT AND, AND RE BILLING. 
          AND LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ALSO THE ADDITIONAL KIOSK, LIKE I WOULD MAYBE THAT WE CAN CONSIDER IN FUTURE FUTURE KIOSK. 
          COULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO DO LIKE TEMPORARY BECAUSE THERE'S A HIGHER SEASON AND THEN BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE KIOSK AT NIGHT? OR THEY'RE OUT THERE 24%? YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE NORMALLY, THEY'RE REMOVED AS SOON AS THE TOUR OPERATION, UH, CLOSE TO FIVE THEY'RE REMOVED. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IN ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU SAW, ALSO, THERE'S OTHER CONTRACTS, SO WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THERE. 
          THERE'S RA, RAS, PIPE VENDORS. 
          SO WE SHARE THE SPACE WITH SOME OF THEM IN, UH, WE REMOVE A LOT OF THE SIGNAGE IN FRONT OF PAT O'BRIEN'S ALSO, THERE'S TWO MORE SIGNS. 
          SO WE GOTTA TALK TO THE OWNERS. 
          THERE'S ONE IN THE CORNER OF COMMERCE THAT, UH, THE OWNER WAS NOT THERE, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM TO LOCATE IT INSIDE THE STORE OR CHANGE THE SIGNAGE TO MEET THE STANDARDS. 
          AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER LOCATION THAT IS NOT OUR SIGN ON THE CORNER OF PRESA AND COMMERCE, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT OPERATOR. 
          'CAUSE THEY SELL TICKETS ON CONSIGNMENTS. 
          SO THEY SELL TICKETS FOR SEAWORLD SIX FLAGS AND OTHER VENUES. 
          SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH RIGHT NOW AS APPROVING ITEM ONE AND FOUR? I THINK WE, WE START THERE, BUT IF YOU WANNA MAKE A, AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION  TO, UH, ALLOW US TO DO AN UMBRELLA ACROSS BY H AND M, BY RIVER CENTER MOLD, THAT WOULD HELP A LOT WITH, WITH THE OPERATORS. 
          WE PICK UP A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. 
          I WOULD TELL YOU THAT'S THE MAIN PICK POINT AT THE ALAMO. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          WE RECENTLY SAW, UM, HAD A GLIMPSE OF THE, KINDA THE MASTER PLAN FOR SOME OF THIS AREA. 
          IS THIS BEING KIND OF FACTORED INTO THAT? ARE THEY GETTING DOWN TO THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL? 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          THEY DO SERVE A, A HUGE, UH, VITAL ROLE IN WAYFINDING FOR THE PLAZA. 
          AND I, I HAD MY OFFICE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AT TRAVIS PARK CONSTANTLY BEING ASKED WHERE THE ALAMO IS. 
          SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, 
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, BUT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN HAVING HIM KIND SCRATCHING OUT LOCATIONS, IS THIS BEING REALLY FACTORED INTO THAT? IT IS. 
          UM, SO, UM, TEMPORARILY SPEAKING, UM, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S HERE ON THE SCREEN, UH, WHERE THIS RED BAR IS, OR THIS BUS, THAT'S AN AREA THAT THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED OUT A, A TEMPORARY AGREEMENT WITH C C D O. 
          IT'S A MONTH BY MONTH LEASE. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THAT'S ALSO BEEN COORDINATED WITH THE ALAMO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, SO THE APPLICANT, UM, AND CITY STAFF AND THE ALAMO HAVE BEEN WORKING, UH, PRETTY CLOSELY REGARDING, UH, WEARS AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR PARKING A BUS TEMPORARILY, UH, TO SERVE AS, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A VENDING SPACE. 
          UH, WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION? UM, UH, IN, IN PROXIMITY TO THE ALAMO? OBVIOUSLY WITH ONGOING WORK, UH, THE BUS IS HAVING TO BE MOVED. 
          AND I THINK MARCO IS ACTUALLY ADDRESS SAYING THAT EARLIER, THAT, THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO MOVE IT FOR DIFFERENT SCOPES OF WORK. 
          I P W THE BUS WILL BE MOVED, ET CETERA. 
          UM, THAT'S ON A TEMPORARY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE END OF THE YEAR, I BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND THEN ONCE, UH, THE WORK AT THE ALAMO IS COMPLETE OR NEXT PHASES, OR WE MOVE TO NEXT PHASES, UM, THEN THERE MAY BE A, UH, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS THEN. 
          UM, BUT THAT, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, BUT ON A TEMPORARY SCALE, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, IF I, IN MY ADD, UH, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          WE COORDINATE WITH MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THE ALAMO MANAGEMENT AND THERE THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL. 
          UH, THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, KATE, HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE ASSET. 
          UH, SO WE HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS WITH THE OWNERS OF THE CROCKETT, THE OWNERS OF THE MENGER, UM, AND THE ALAMO. 
          AND THEY, THEY'RE VERY, UH, EFFECTIVE MEETINGS. 
          UH, SO WE WORK, IN FACT, I GOT A NOTICE, UH, FROM C P SS THAT THEY ASK US TO MOVE, THEY'RE DOING SOME NEW, UH, ELECTRICAL WORK, UH, FOR ABOUT 10 DAYS. 
          SO THEY ASK US IF WE COULD MOVE THE, THE BUS, UM, ABOUT 150 FEET BACK TO TODAY IF POSSIBLE. 
          SO WE WORK ON THAT, UH, ON, ON ONGOING BASE. 
          AND WE DO HAVE A WEEKLY WELL BIKE WEEKLY MEETING WITH THE, THE ALAMO AND, AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS FROM, UH, H D R C ALSO. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD COORDINATION. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE WOULD ACCEPT ANOTHER UMBRELLA IF SOMEONE MAKES AN AMENDMENT TODAY. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND ALL YOU DO HERE. 
          UM, AND I THINK, UH, JUST FOR CLARITY IN STAFF, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, MOBILE KIOSK, UH, ITEMS ARE ITEMS TWO AND THREE. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I THINK, UM, A SITE VISIT ON THOSE MIGHT BE HELPFUL. 
          AND GETTING THE, AN APPROVAL TODAY GET YOU GOING ON THOSE, UM, ITEMS AND THE LEASE THAT YOU NEED TO GET GOING ON, UH, MIGHT BE THE BEST ROUTE. 
          WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAYBE NEXT WEEK ON SITE? WELL, THEY'RE HAPPY TO AND GIVE YOU A, A TOUR OF ALL THE CHALLENGES. 
          YES. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK ON GOING ON. 
          IT'S A COMPLICATED SITE. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND BY THE WAY, I WAS ON THE ALAMO COMMISSION LIKE, UH, 10 YEARS AGO, SO I, I SAW THIS COMING, BUT THIS HAS BEEN THE SLOWEST PROCESS. 
          BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS. 
          UH, IT TOOK, I, I'M NOT JOKING ABOUT THIS. 
          I DRIVE TO HOUSTON ALMOST ON A MONTHLY BASIS. 
          UM, THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD 17 MILES, FOUR LANES FROM SEALY TO HOUSTON TO KATY, AND WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO MAKE ONE BLOCK OF THE PROMENADE BETWEEN, UH, BLO STREET. 
          AND, UH, SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S, WE, WE WE'RE VERY, VERY SLOW IN CONSTRUCTION. 
          TELL ME ABOUT IT. 
          . 
          I KNOW, UM, I, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, IF I COULD MAKE A MOTION, CAN I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION? GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          JUST BECAUSE THESE, CAN THESE BE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKEN OUT IN THE MORNING AND TAKEN IN AT NIGHT? UH, WELL, THAT COULD BE EXPLORED. 
          HOWEVER, UM, THE CENTER CITY DEVELOPMENT OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT WOULD NEED TO APPROVE THOSE. 
          AND I WILL SAY, UM, WHILE THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SCALES THAT ARE LARGER THAN OTHERS, UH, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT THAT THERE'S ONE MOBILE VENDING KIOSK PER BUSINESS OR STOREFRONT DOWNTOWN. 
          UM, THE SAME WITH AN A-FRAME SIGN. 
          UH, SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER, BUT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME TYPE OF FEEDBACK FROM C C D O IN REGARDS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEIR PROGRAM FOR MOBILE VENDING KIOSK WOULD ALLOW FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TENANT TO HAVE MULTIPLE MOBILE VENDING KIOSKS. 
          IF H AND M OR LET'S JUST SAY THE RIVER CINEMA MALL OR THE MANGO HOTEL SAYS, THAT'LL BE MY VENDING MACHINE, AND HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH CITY ING, UH, WELL, TO GET DOWN TO THAT TECHNICALITY, THEY THEMSELVES WOULD NEED TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT SAYS, 
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I HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO SELL THESE TICKETS AT THIS ADDRESS. 
          THEN THAT WOULD THEN AUTHORIZE THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SIGNAGE THAT WAS NOT OFF PREMISES, AND THEN THEREFORE, MOST LIKELY A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK. 
          SO IT, THERE WOULD BE A PROGRESSION TO WHAT WOULD ALLOW THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT STAFF CAN DISCUSS INTERNALLY. 
          AND THEN, UM, IF THE MOTION IS TO HAVE A SITE VISIT TO EXPLORE OR TO SEE IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD, IN THEORY, HAVE AN ANSWER FOR AT THAT TIME. 
          SO, EDWARD, I I'M SORRY IF COMMISSIONER GRU WAS FINISHED. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          GO AHEAD. 
           COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, SO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE POINT OF SALE AND ONE KIOSK AND, AND WHATNOT AVAILABLE TO EACH VENDOR, THAT'S FOR A VENDOR THAT WHOSE PRODUCT IS ONLY SOLD AT ONE LOCATION, RIGHT? OR WHOSE SERVICES, UH, PROVIDES SERVICES AT ONE LOCATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS, THIS, UH, CITY SITE C DOES PROVIDE SERVICES AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? WELL, SO, UM, BY VIRTUE OF THEM BEING MOBILE, THAT, WELL, THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION. 
          UM, PER, SO LET'S START OFF WITH SIGNAGE. 
          PER THE SIGN CODE OF BUSINESS, THERE MUST BE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AT A LOCATION TO SELL OR PROVIDE A PRODUCT. 
          SO IF THERE WERE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN BUSINESSES TO SELL EACH OTHER'S PRODUCT, THEY THEN WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED ON THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SO THAT THEIR SIGNAGE WOULD THEN BE REGULATED WITHIN THE CODE. 
          IT WOULD BE ON-PREMISE SIGNAGE. 
          UH, SO I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THERE WAS A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THAT ALLOWED H AND M OR WHOMEVER TO SELL CITY SIGHT SCENE TICKETS, TICKETS, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE INCLUDED ON THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY COULD THEN HAVE SIGNAGE AT THAT INDIVIDUAL LOCATION TO REFERENCE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING. 
          AND THEN SINCE THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY COULD THEN HAVE A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK, OR IN THEORY COULD HAVE A MOBILE VENDING KIOSK TO SELL THOSE TICKETS IN FRONT OF THAT ADDRESS. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING NOW IS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S ONLY ONE LOCATION WITH A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR CITY SIGHTSEEING, AND THAT'S ONE 11 ALAMO PLAZA. 
          THAT'S THE SOLUTION RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER FISH. 
          SO I WOULD MOVE, UH, FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, UH, UH, RELATED TO ITEMS ONE AND FOUR, AND MOVE ITEMS TWO AND THREE TO A SITE VISIT D R C AT THE FIRST AVAILABLE DATE, JUST SO WE CAN GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HOST A COFFEE AT THEIR MANGER. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR? YES. 
          SO I'M JUST, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE'RE COMPETING AND I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PERMIT SECTION AND ALL THAT. 
          THERE'S THIS HUGE CONVENTION HAPPENING IN THREE WEEKS, AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE BUSINESS. 
          WE HAVE, YOU'LL SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE VISITING? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S THE BIGGEST CONVENTION OVER 30 MILLION. 
          BUT THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I P W, WHICH IS INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT COMMISSIONER IS THAT THERE'S 75 MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA. 
          YOU KNOW, I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE OTHER DELEGATE. 
          THE MEDIA IS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          I MEAN, WE GOT PEOPLE FROM GERMANY, ENGLAND, FRANCE, ITALY, BRAZIL, THAT, THAT'S THE MEETING. 
          I MEAN, IT, WE COULDN'T, COULDN'T AGREE MORE THAT THIS IS A HUGE BENEFIT FOR SAN ANTONIO. 
          IT'S ABOUT PUTTING SAN ANTONIO, AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO HAVE THAT ALMO BLUM KIOSK, UH, MORE THAN THE, MAYBE THE CROCKETT ONE. 
          BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT I, I MEAN, I WOULD SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THE KIOSK AT ALAMO PLAZA AND THE ONE AT BLUM, UM, BECAUSE I'M WORRIED THAT A SIDE VISIT WOULD THEN POSTPONE THIS DECISION TO NEXT MEETING. 
          AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT GIVES YOU ENOUGH TIME, BECAUSE THE MEETING, THE CONVENTION IS LIKE MAY 21ST. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I JUST TO MY, TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION OR THAT AMENDMENT RATHER. 
          SO WAS THAT AN AMENDED MOTION? SORRY, YES, IT WAS AN AMENDMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIR, I, I WANTED TO, WELL, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE A, A COMMENT ABOUT EDWARD'S, UH, CAPABILITY AND, AND HIS KNOWLEDGE AND HIS, I, I THINK THE, THE, THE CITY WOULD COLLAPSE IF EDWARD LEFT THE CITY. 
          SO I WANNA COMMEND EDWARD FOR THE, THE LEVEL OF ARTICULATION AND SUCH A COMPLICATED ENVIRONMENT. 
          UH, I, I APPRECIATE HOW CLEAR HE EXPLAINS THINGS. 
          NOW THAT, THAT BEING SAID, THE, THE MOTION THAT COMMISSIONER FISH MADE, I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT MOTION TO, TO THE INTEGRITY OF 
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PROTOCOL. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S IN A WAY VERY SIMILAR TO THE DUTCH BROTHERS SITUATION, THAT THERE'S A STANDARD, AND IT ISN'T SO MUCH WHAT IT BENEFITS ONE MORE SO THAT ANY OTHER CAN HOLD US TO THE STANDARD OF THE, OF THE, I GUESS THE OBJECTIVE OF, OF EACH APPLICATION BEING APPLYING THE CODE OR THE RULE, UM, WHICH, WHICH COULD BE A NEGATIVE TO HOW WELL EDWARD EXPLAINS THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. 
          BUT, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE, TO THE AMENDMENT, I JUST WANTED TO, TO TO SAY THAT THAT, UM, COM COMMISSIONER FISH'S MOTION IS VERY SENSITIVE TO THE WAY THAT CONVERSA, TO THE WAY THAT THE SITUATION HAS BEEN DESCRIBED. 
          BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST DESCRIBED TO US HERE ON THIS DAIS HERE, IT'S, IT'S ON TELEVISION. 
          IT'S BEEN VERY WELL COMMUNICATED TO THE CITIZENS THAT ARE WATCHING. 
          UH, SO I'D, I'D ASK THE, UH, MAKER OF THE AMENDMENT TO REALLY CONSIDER, UM, THE FIRST MOTION. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          AND I CAN ANSWER TO THAT. 
          YES, COMMISSIONER GRUB, I MEAN, IT'S JUST AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU MENTIONED ALSO EARLIER YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE ALAMO, AND THERE ARE GONNA BE CHANGES TO THIS. 
          I DON'T SEE THIS BEING ALSO A PERMANENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE GONNA BE CHANGES IN THAT LOCATION MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I SEE THAT BEING, YOU KNOW, A, A LOCATION THAT BENEFITS THE BUSINESS. 
          I THINK IT BENEFITS OUR VISITORS THAT ARE COMING, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T SEE IT ALSO BEING A PERMANENT, UM, LOCATION FOR YOUR KIS, MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD YES, SIR. 
          MAKE THAT SUGGEST, SUGGEST TO COMMISSIONER GROUP, PERHAPS MAYBE, UH, I WOULD STILL SUPPORT HER AMENDMENT, UH, BUT PERHAPS, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, THREE MONTHS, NO MORE THAN SIX MONTHS. 
          AND THAT WILL STILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO DO A SITE VISIT TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A, FROM A PERMANENT, UH, STANDPOINT, AND THEN STILL ALLOW THE, UH, PRESENTER TO, UH, CONDUCT HIS BUSINESS AND, AND, AND BETTER THE CITY AS WELL. 
          WELL, WELL, AND, AND MR. CHAIR, THE, THE, THE REASON WHY I BRING ATTENTION TO THE FIRST MOTION IS BECAUSE THE FIRST MOTION IS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE OUR PURVIEW OUTSIDE OF THAT WELL-INTENTIONED, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THAT'S LIKE PLIABLE OR, UM, APPLICABLE CRITERIA. 
          OTHER COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT? AMENDED MOTION. 
          SO I, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. 
          UH, TO COMMISSIONER GRU'S PROPOSED AMENDMENT, I'M, I'M TYPICALLY INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT. 
          I THINK THE INTENT OF THE MOTION, UH, THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS NOT TO DISRUPT, BUT TO FIND A WAY PRODUCTIVE WAY FORWARD. 
          AND GIVEN KIND OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS, I, I, THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS, IS ESSENTIALLY TO MEET THE REQUEST, UM, ON THE AMENDMENT. 
          IF THE AMENDMENT, UH, SUGGESTS A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, WHILE THIS IS, WHILE THERE'S A SITE VISIT OR SOMETHING GOING FORWARD THAT WOULD ALLOW, ALLOW THE, ALLOW THE PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT CAUSING DISRUPTION, I'D BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          WELL, MY QUESTION TO STAFF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, AND, AND LET ME ELABORATE ON THIS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S TWO THINGS TO IT. 
          POLICY IS THAT IT'S ONE KIOSK PER BUSINESS, WHICH IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF, IT IS A CASE BY CASE BECAUSE THIS BUSINESS DOESN'T ONLY SERVE THEMSELVES, THEY SERVE THE COMMUNITY, THEY SERVE THE TOURISM, THEY SERVE, I WOULD SAY IN MANY CAPACITIES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE THIS POLICY WHERE THE COM, THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, MOTION AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BASED ON THE RULES, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S ONE KIOSK PER BUSINESS. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, H AND M IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA, I, I SEE FROM THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE APPLICANT THAT HE'S GONNA COME UP WITH A SOLUTION SO THAT THE MENGER CAN HAVE ONE OR COME UP WITH THE TENANTS. 
          BUT I DO FEEL LIKE THAT KIOSK IN THAT LOCATION ALSO WITH WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE ALAMO, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE IT DISRUPTING THE POLICY OR DISRUPTING THE RULES THAT ARE SET FOR OTHER BUSINESSES IN GENERAL. 
          SO IF WE CAN PUT A TIME ON IT, I'LL TAKE SUGGESTIONS ON TIME. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST 12 MONTHS JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ALAMO, BUT, WELL, I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY CONFIRM THAT. 
          YES, YOU CAN INCLUDE LIKE A TEMPORARY OR CONDITION TO THE APPROVAL FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO KIOSK. 
          AND A QUESTION FOR STAFF, IF THE AMENDMENT PASSES FOR THE ADDITIONAL KIOSK, THAT WOULD STILL NEED TO GO BEFORE THE C C B O 
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YES. 
          TO GET THEIR APPROVED. 
          THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE MULTIPLE LAYERS AS EDWARD POINTED TO. 
          SO D S D AND SIGNED PERMIT PROCESS AND CONFIRMING THAT THERE'S A CER CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUSINESS THAT IT'S IN FRONT OF. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE LEASING ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SPACE WITH C C D O. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDED MOTION GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH? SORRY, I DIDN'T, UM, ARE WE JUST WITHOUT THE TIMELINE OR DO, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE TIMELINE? SURE. 
          UM, AMENDED TO 12 MONTHS. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WAS, I THINK SHE WAS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON 12 MONTHS, RIGHT? YOU SUGGESTED 12 MONTHS, BUT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. 
          YEAH, I WAS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK WHERE IF THE SECOND HAS TO BE AMENDED AS WELL. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I'LL AMEND MY OWN MOTION TO ADD THAT. 
          IT, IT'S A PERMIT FOR PERMISSION FOR 12 MONTHS. 
          12 MONTHS. 
          DOES THE SECOND CONCUR MY SECOND STANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. 
          POLICE GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SONO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          NAY. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER? NAY. 
          OKAY. 
          MOTION. 
          CARRIE PASSES. 
          AND WE STILL NEED A VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION NOW THAT IT'S BEEN AMENDED. 
          ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SENO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ PASS. 
          MSCA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          AND VELASQUEZ? UH, I'M IN ABSTAIN. 
          ABSTAIN. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL OF YOU. 
          I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ITEM MADE ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 23 2 0 6 SHERMAN STREET. 
          APPLICANT REQUESTS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF A 640 SQUARE FOOT EDITION STAFF. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF THE 640 SQUARE FOOT EDITION BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE MAY BE APPROPRIATE AS ADDITIONS TO SHOTGUN HOUSES ARE COMMON ACROSS THE CITY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE APPLICANT EXPLORE OTHER OPTIONS FOR ADDING TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT ARE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC CORE THAT IS, ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE HISTORIC CORE AND THAT PRESERVE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE SHOTGUN HOUSE, SUCH AS THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE AND FRONT PORCH. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE OWNER, JOSE LOPEZ IN PERSON. 
          UM, THERE'S ONE LETTER ON FILE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE ONE VOICEMAIL. 
          NOW GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. 
          SURE. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          MY NAME'S JOSE LOPEZ AND I'M THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY HERE AT 2 0 6 SHERMAN. 
          SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE REALLY PROPOSING, UM, IS IN ADDITION IS I THINK Y'ALL HAVE THE PLANS THAT SUBMITTED. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          SO, UH, IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO JUST ADD AND TO REALLY KEEP IN LINE WITH THE GUIDELINES, UH, WITHIN, WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THE WINDOWS, THE, THE SIDING, THE ROOFING, THE CONSTRUCTION WALL FORM, UM, UH, WITH, WITH THE GUIDELINES. 
          UM, THE, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK. 
          UM, KIND OF INITIAL, SOME OF THE INITIAL CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH THE DIS UH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT, THE, THE, UM, PROPERTY, THE LOTS I SHOULD SAY ARE VERY, VERY NARROW. 
          AND SO AS A RESULT, WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF REALLY MAXIMIZE THE, THE PROPERTY THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, THAT WE OWN, UM, THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT OF US. 
          THEY WERE ABLE TO FIT IN A VERY NICE TIGHT SQUEEZE IN, IN THE, UH, WITHIN THAT, THAT SPACE. 
          A, A HOME THAT'S THE SAME SIZE OF OURS. 
          AND THE SETBACK AROUND THAT AREA IS PROBABLY, UH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE FOUR FEET AT MOST. 
          SO A, B, C, THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S PRETTY, PRETTY TIGHT SQUEEZE THAT THEY GOT IT IN THERE. 
          SO WE ARE LOOKING TO REALLY BE ABLE TO KIND OF LEVERAGE THE SAME PERMISSIONS GOING OVER TO THE RIGHT, TO THE FENCE LINE GOING ONTO CHERRY STREET AND FIVE FEET WITHIN THAT, THAT THE FENCE LINE IF, IF, IF ALLOWED. 
          SO THAT'S, UM, WHAT WE'RE KIND OF REALLY PROPOSING. 
          UH, THE REAR AND FRONT SETBACKS WILL NOT BE REALLY EFFECTIVE MUCH BECAUSE WE WILL FOLLOW TWISTS ALREADY THERE, ALREADY EXISTING AS HIS HOME HAS BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN, IN THAT, IN THAT SIZE. 
          UM, I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION OR THE CONCERN WAS THE REMOVING THE RELOCATING THE FRONT, THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS A SHOTGUN STYLE HOUSE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, WE WERE REALLY HOPING TO BE ABLE TO JUST, UM, UM, UH, WITH THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO REALLY ENHANCE A HOME IS TO RELOCATE THE F THE 
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FRONT DOOR OVER TO THE NEW ADDITION. 
          UM, UH, AND AGAIN, KEEPING EVERYTHING ELSE IN COM IN COMPLETE CONFORMITY WITH WHAT IS CONSIDERED WITH THESE GUIDELINES, UH, FOR THIS AREA. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN ALSO ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ITSELF OF THE HOME IS 484 480, UH, FEET THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, AND AT THE, AN ADDITIONAL 120 I BELIEVE, BECAUSE THE FRONT PORCH. 
          SO THAT WOULD KIND OF, UH, TIP THE SCALES, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO WE'RE EVEN REMO CONSIDERING REMOVING THE FRONT PORCH ON THE NEW ADDITION TO BE ABLE TO, UH, THEN FALL WITHIN THE ACCEPTED PARAMETERS OF THE ADDITION, UH, OF THE, THE PROPOSED EDITION OF FOUR 80 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO IT'S LESS THAN WHAT THE EXISTING HOME IS CURRENTLY. 
          UM, MAY WE HAVE THE VOICEMAIL PLEASE? HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE ES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED, THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WHITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 23, LOCATED AT 2 0 6 SHERMAN STREET. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO NOT APPROVE THE 624 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THIS EXISTING 532 SQUARE FOOT HISTORIC SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, IT SHOULD MEET THE STIPULATION THAT ANY ADDITION SHOULD NOT BE SO LARGE AS TO DOUBLE THE EXISTING FOOT BUILDING FOOTPRINT REGARDLESS OF LOT SITES. 
          WE WOULD ALSO LIKE CLARIFICATION AS THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE WINDOWS. 
          THE WINDOW MATERIAL IS NOT CALLED OUT IN THIS APPLICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? YEAH, SO I THINK THE REMOVING THE FRONT PORCH WILL SOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE, THE PROPOSED ADDITION OF THE, OF THE, OF THE ADDITION. 
          UH, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE WINDOWS ARE CONCERNED, UM, THEN WE WILL CERTAINLY, WE, I BELIEVE WHAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE GUIDELINES, UH, RECOMMENDS USING WHAT'S EXISTING, UH, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS EXISTING, THE WINDOWS ARE, ARE BOARDED UP, SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE A WINDOWS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE JUST KIND OF HODGEPODGE. 
          ONE IS MAYBE ALUMINUM, ONE IS MAKING OLD VINYL WINDOWS, SOMEONE THREW ON THERE BEFOREHAND. 
          SO WE WILL CERTAINLY GONNA BE LOOKING TO THE GUIDELINES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW, UH, THOSE, UH, VERY, VERY, UH, UM, VERY STRICTLY. 
          SO THAT FOR US IS NOT REALLY GONNA BE A DEAL BREAKER. 
          WE'VE, AND EVEN THE DOORS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, WE'LL CERTAINLY DO FOLLOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH, SO I, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S COMMENTS ON THIS AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, PRESERVE THIS HOUSE AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE LARGER, UH, VISION THAT YOU HAVE HERE. 
          AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THE, THE PORCH THAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED IS, IS A NICE SCALE GIVER. 
          I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL IS THAT LOSS OF THE FRONT, THE HISTORIC FRONT OF THAT SHOTGUN. 
          AND A LOT OF THAT'S BEING DONE BECAUSE OF THE INTERNAL PLANNING WITH, UH, SOME CLOSETS AND THINGS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR A BEDROOM. 
          UM, AND IN MY MIND THAT PORCH HISTORICALLY IS JUST SO IMPORTANT. 
          SO MUCH LIVING TOOK PLACE OUT ON THE PORCHES OF THESE SHOTGUN HOUSES. 
          AND, AND THAT'S HOW THEY RELATED TO EACH OTHER, UH, SOCIALLY. 
          UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S WHAT GIVES 'EM SCALE AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          AND SO FOR ME IT'S, IT'S NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE 'CAUSE YOU DO HAVE THAT ADJACENT LOT SURE. 
          YOU ARE SETTING BACK. 
          UM, YEP. 
          UH, FOR ME IT'S THAT LOSS OF, OF THE FACE OF THE, OF THE HISTORIC SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          SO I WONDER, IS THERE, HAVE, HAVE YOU, CAN YOU ENTERTAIN ANY, UM, MODIFICATIONS TO THAT, TO RETAIN THAT BY SHIFTING THE CLOSETS BACK TO THE CORE OF THE RESTROOMS OR THE, THE BATHROOMS AND FREEING UP THAT THE FACE OF THAT STRUCTURE A BIT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE PUT MY EGGS IN ONE BASKET, . 
          IT WAS REALLY HARD SET ON THIS, ON THIS PLAN. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. 
          I KNOW THAT, UM, THE HOME, I GUESS AS YOU'RE FACING THE PROPERTY, GOING A LITTLE FURTHER EAST, UH, THAT HOME I THINK WAS INITIALLY SOME YEARS BACK. 
          SAME KIND OF THE SAME STYLE. 
          UM, NOW IT LOOKS SOMETHING OUT OF THE STONE OAK AREA. 
          NOTHING AGAINST STONE OAK, BUT IT JUST, UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY CONFORM WITH ANY GUIDELINES, I THINK. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AND SOME, SOME SEEING SOME OF THE TRENDS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE IDENTIFYING AND SEEING HERE RECENTLY AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S WHY WE WERE REALLY PROPOSING TO, TO JUST DO A LITTLE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT NONETHELESS REALLY ENHANCE THE CURRENT HOME AND, AND, AND REALLY DRESS UP AS YOU ENTER, UM, UH, SHERMAN STREET OFF, OFF NORTH CHERRY, UM, TO REALLY HAVE A NICE PRESENTATION. 
          SO, UH, IT'S AT THE, THE LAST HOUSE AT THE VERY CORNER. 
          IT'S GREEN IN COLOR. 
          UM, AND, UH, IT'S, I MEAN, UH, RIGHT THERE, THAT HOUSE THERE IT WAS, WAS VERY, SO YOU CAN SEE IT, UM, DOESN'T REALLY MIRROR TOO MUCH 
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OF WHAT WAS THERE, UH, UH, PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, AND, AND SO THEY'VE EVEN GONE DOUBLE IN SIZE GOING UP UP INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY HAD, UH, ORIGINALLY SOME YEARS BACK. 
          SO, UH, REALLY TRYING TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THOSE PERMISSIONS TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF BEAUTIFY OUR HOME. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S THE VERY REASON WHY I COMMEND YOUR, YOUR PLAN IS THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST SCRAPING IT. 
          YOU'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WITH WHAT'S THERE. 
          SURE. 
          TO OBTAIN THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, BUT I, UH, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THE STREET RIGHT THERE WITH THE, UH, UH, WHAT, UH, STAFF IS SHOWING ON THE SCREEN, THE RELATIONSHIP OF EACH ONE OF THOSE PORCHES, A LOT OF HOT EVENINGS ON THE SUMMER NIGHT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE USE THOSE PORCHES AS THEIR LIVING ROOMS. RIGHT. 
          AND SO FOR ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CULTURAL AND HISTORIC ELEMENTS OF THOSE SHOTGUN HOUSES. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAD VERY SPARSE AND VERY SIMPLY DETAILED OTHERWISE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO FOR FOR ME TO GET BEHIND YOUR SCHEME, I THINK I WOULD REALLY NEED TO SEE A REWORKING OF HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT FRONT, FRONT FACADE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINA. 
          THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, I HAVE SIMILAR SENTIMENTS AS, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER REGARDING THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          SURE. 
          OF THE SHOTGUN ON THE STREET FACE. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, MY, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UM, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A D R C TO, UH, REVIEW SOME OF THE, UH, A DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE? OKAY. 
          THAT APPEARS, UM, APPEARS VIA WEBEX WHERE SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE PART OF THIS, TO REVIEW SOME OF THE GUIDELINES AS WELL AS YOUR DESIGN AND POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOME MODIFICATIONS OF YOUR DESIGN. 
          SURE. 
          I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          WHAT'S THE LOT COVERAGE? 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED THE HOUSE AND THE, WHAT'S THE TOTAL LOT COVERAGE? I HAVE IT IN MY RACK. 
          LET ME PULL IT UP REAL QUICK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 37 FEET. 
          I DIDN'T DO A PERCENTAGE FOR THIS ONE. 
          THE, UM, PROPOSED TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE 1172. 
          I KNOW, BUT WHAT'S THE LOT SIZE ACCORDING TO HIS DRAWINGS? HE SAYS 1240. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD NEED THAT INFORMATION ALSO. 
          JUST, YEAH. 
          SO I THINK, I BELIEVE THE, THE, THE LOT SIZE ITSELF, UM, IS PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND ABOUT 30, 32 FEET TO BE EXACT, ALMOST. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET NUMBERS RIGHT. 
          SQUARE FEET. 
          I APOLOGIZE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          JUST OVER 2,700 SQUARE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          WITHIN ANONYMOUS. 
          NOW LET'S JUST GET THE NUMBERS STRAIGHT BECAUSE YOUR PLAN SHOWS 1240 TOTAL, BUT STAFF HAS ANOTHER NUMBER AND THE FINDINGS, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THAT, UM, ALSO CORRECTED. 
          THOSE ARE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          MR. LOPEZ, RIGHT. 
          GABRIEL DID, DID, DID Y'ALL APPROACH THE DESIGN FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT OR SPECIFICALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT YOU WANT IN THE HOUSE? I MEAN, DID THE DESIGNER LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA BREAK A DESIGN PROBLEM HERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO IT WAS JUST REALLY WHAT'S, UM, KIND OF BORN OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE AND KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER TO SEE HOW THEY WOULD REALLY, UM, KIND OF FIT IN WITH WHAT'S THERE ALREADY. 
          SO IT'S LIKE, HOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO REALLY MAXIMIZE THAT AND REALLY BEAUTIFY WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND KEEP IT AS, AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO THAT'S THE WAY WOULD, UH, WE DID THAT. 
          JUST COME SOMETHING DESIGNED WE CAN UP WITH OURSELVES IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ARCHITECT. 
          THEN, THEN THE, THE BEDROOM ONE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           THAT WALK-IN CLOSET. 
          IS THAT THE PORCH? THE EXISTING PORCH? UH, YES. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          YES. 
          THE STA THE, THE STEPS. 
          WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STEPS? ARE THEY INSIDE THE, THE CLOSET OR ARE THEY CUT OFF? SO THE STEPS WOULD THEN BE CUT OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, I'M GONNA WAIT FOR THEIR MOTION BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA GET IN A CONVERSATION HERE AFTER MOTION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK ADDITION TO, UM, THE CONCERN ABOUT THE BEING ABLE TO SIT OUTSIDE AND, YOU KNOW, AND FAMILY TIME IN FRONT OF THE FRONT PORCH, WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY SIZEABLE PORCH RIGHT. 
          IN THE ADDITION TOO. 
          SO MAYBE OFFER MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD GATHERING TOO. 
          SO, WELL, BUT THERE, BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO TO, TO THAT POINT, RIGHT? THERE'S A PORCH, BUT THERE'S A CAGE RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE'S CAGE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO CHANCES ARE PEOPLE DIDN'T SIT ON THAT PORCH IN THE CAGE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE THE BREW IS VERY DIFFERENT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          TRUE. 
          SO, SO FOR MOST PEOPLE, YOU SIT ON A PORCH, 
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BUT IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS YOU PUT A, YOU PUT A FENCE AROUND IT SO NOBODY CAN GET IN YOUR HOUSE. 
          THAT'S GOOD POINT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU, I MEAN, SAVINO, FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION, FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE CONTINUE THIS CASE OKAY. 
          TILL THE NEXT H D R C HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IN THE INTERIM HAVE A D R C WITH AN EYE TO, UH, THE STAFF'S FINDINGS AS THEY RELATE TO THE GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS TO THE CONTEXT, SPECIFIC CONTEXT SURE. 
          OF YOUR PROPERTY. 
          UH, I'M GONNA SECOND, SECOND, MR. MOTION. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND DISCUSSION. 
          UM, WELL, MAYOR, GO TO, UH, SAB SABINA FIRST. 
          YEAH, THIS IS MO . 
          UM, I, I, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, UM, WORKING WITH THIS INTERESTING LOT. 
          VERY INTERESTING LOT AND INTERESTING CONTEXT. 
          I DO THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, I WILL SAY, UH, SEVERAL OTHER DESIGN CONFIGURATIONS, UH, THAT WILL YIELD A MORE RESPONSIVE PROJECT SURE. 
          TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND GET YOU WHAT YOU WANT ALSO AND MAKE YOUR NUMBERS. 
          UM, AND SO I THINK, UM, I, I WOULD, UH, SUGGEST THAT YOU RETURN TO OUR D R C WITH SOME OTHER SCHEMES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT CAN JUST BE JUST GENERAL, UH, SCHEMATIC SKETCHES. 
          SURE. 
          UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY FOR US TO, TO GUIDE ON ANY ONE OF THOSE SCHEMES ALSO. 
          OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. 
          WELL, MR. CHAIR, I TOO LOOK FORWARD TO D R C PARTICULARLY WITH THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER WAS MAKING. 
          UM, BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS THE, UM, THE, THE, THE CAPABILITY FOR THIS TO DO WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT SURE. 
          THAT, THAT WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE A, A NICE, ROBUST CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT WOULD BE TO YOUR, TO YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, END RESULT ADVANTAGE. 
          BUT MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO WANNA ADD TO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE SPENT SEVERAL TIMES, DIFFERENT TIMES WITH VERY ROBUST CONVERSATION, CONTROVERSY AND DISAGREEMENT AND AGREEMENT SURROUNDING THE EVOLUTION OF THE SHOTGUN HOUSES. 
          AND I JUST THINK THAT, THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS THAT MR. CARPENTER MADE, THAT, THAT WE SHOULD BE PREPARED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW SOMETHING SUBORDINATES ITSELF TO A SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          AND, AND I MEAN THAT FROM THE HIGHEST LEVEL AND THE INTEGRITY OF DESIGN. 
          THAT THAT, THAT, UH, PERHAPS THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A, A A, AN EVOLUTION IS WHERE IT'S NOT SUBORDINATE YET STILL CAN ELEVATE CONCEPTUALLY THAT SHOTGUN HOUSE TO THE FORD. 
          I KNOW THAT SOUNDS LIKE A, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, UH, LIKE A COMPLICATED, UH, CONVERSATION FOR, UM, NON-DESIGN, UH, THOUGHT OR THEORY. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO WORK WITH THIS APPLICANT TO COME UP, HELP HIM COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR HIM, BUT THAT WE CAN ALSO USE TO, TO CREATE A, A DEFINING DIALOGUE. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL WE REALLY HAVE ARE A SET OF TERMINOLOGY BASED AROUND A VERY ELEMENTARY, UM, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          INSPECTION OF THE SHOTGUN HOUSE. 
          AND THE REASON IT'S THAT WAY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT ACADEMIC CONVERSATION AROUND THE SHOTGUN HOUSE, IS THAT IT'S INCUMBENT ON US. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. VELAZQUEZ. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? UM, YES, COMMISSIONER GROUP, I MEAN THE ONLY, I WOULD SUPPORT THE MOTION OF COURSE, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN AN EXAMPLE OF THE NEW BUILD ON THE CORNER, BUT THIS STREET REALLY FEATURES A NUMEROUS OF SHOTGUN HOUSES, EVEN THE WHITE ONE NEXT TO IT. 
          BUT THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE, THE THIRD, AND THEN I THINK THE FIFTH ONE DOWN. 
          SO THERE IS A REALLY A, THERE WAS A TREND BACK THEN THAT THIS STREET WAS PREDOMINANT, YOU KNOW, THE SAME STYLE LIKE THAT ONE AND THEN ANOTHER. 
          SO I'M NOT IN DISAGREEMENT THAT AN ATTACHMENT OR SOMETHING CAN BE ADDED TO THIS HOME. 
          GOOD. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT FRONT OF THAT SHOTGUN, EXISTING SHOTGUN HOUSE IS REMAINED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OR INTEGRATED INTO THAT DESIGN. 
          REMOVING IT. 
          I MEAN, AND IT'S, WHETHER IT'S A CLOSET OR NOT, WE ACTUALLY DON'T REALLY NORMALLY, UM, WOULD EITHER SEE A BLANK WALL JUST LIKE THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING JUST A BLANK FRONT, WHETHER IT'S REMOVING THE FRONT DOOR OR NOT REMOVING THE FRONT DOOR. 
          IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA INTRODUCE TO THAT WALL THAT HAD A FRONT DOOR AND A WINDOW. 
          WHAT CAN WE KEEP? SO KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          LIKE THE DESIGN RIGHT NOW AS IT IS. 
          AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE DETAILS BEFORE BEING, UM, FULLY ON, ON CONCEPTUAL BASED ON SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMENTS AS WELL. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS ON LOT COVERAGE AND ALL THAT BEFORE OKAY. 
          UH, PROVING A CONCEPTUAL SURE. 
          YEP. 
          OTHER 
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COMMENTS? YEAH, CHAIR. 
          I WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID. 
          AND, AND THAT'S JUST, IT'S THE SHOTGUN HOME. 
          IT'S A STICKING POINT FOR ME BECAUSE, I MEAN, WHAT WAS IT DESIGNED TO DO? IT WAS SIMPLE. 
          IT WAS FOR IMPOVERISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO IT. 
          UH, THE REASON THEY LASTED SO LONG WERE THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED, NOT NECESSARILY THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE HEART GOING INTO DESIGNING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT SAID, IT IS A PART OF THE CULTURAL LANDSCAPE. 
          IT IS A PART OF THE HISTORY AND THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR CHALLENGE. 
          JUST HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU MAKE A, A MODEL T CAR, A DAILY DRIVER? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. 
          THE EQUIVALENT OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SHOTGUN HOME IS HOW DO YOU MAKE IT USABLE? RIGHT. 
          HOW DO YOU MAKE IT, UH, UH, ROOMY? HOW DO YOU BRING IT INTO THIS MILLENNIUM? UH, AND, AND UH, AND STILL MAKE IT VIABLE. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE D R C. 
          UH, YOU DO HAVE A CHALLENGE AND UM, I WISH YOU LUCK ON OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THE MOTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE D R C DISCUSSING OPTIONS AND SURE. 
          UM, EXPLORING HOW TO, UM, HONOR THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          HISTORIC STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SNO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AYE. 
          THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. 
          SO STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND WE'LL GET THIS SCHEDULED PROBABLY FOR NEXT WEEK. 
          VERY GOOD, THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEP. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE. 
          YES. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER NINE H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 52 3 20. 
          MADISON, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH K WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED SETBACKS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS, PROPORTIONS AND TRIM AND SEAL DETAILING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC PRECEDENTS IN THE DISTRICT AS NOTED IN FINDING G AND SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW. 
          THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS BASED ON FINDING I THAT MEET STAFF. 
          STANDARD WINDOW STIPULATIONS. 
          FOUR. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS SINGLE CAR GARAGE DOORS IN LIEU OF THE PROPOSED TWO CAR GARAGE DOOR BASED ON FINDING H UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS MUST BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FOR REVIEW. 
          FIVE THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FINAL MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR F WOOD GARAGE DOORS AND PEDESTRIAN DOORS BASED ON FINDING H TO STAFF FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          UH, SIX THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS PORCH COLUMN DETAILS BASED ON FINDING J SHOWING THAT THE PROPOSED WOOD COLUMNS WILL BE A MAXIMUM OF SIX BY SIX AND WIDTH AND FEATURE A TRADITIONAL CABIN BASE AND CHAMFORD CORNERS. 
          SEVEN. 
          THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS THAT PROPOSE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES AND DO NOT FEATURE JULIET BALCONIES BASED ON FINDING J AND EIGHT THAT ANY DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED IN A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDING K. 
          THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS AND THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER MAGGIE WILMETH IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          OH, HI, MY NAME IS MAGGIE WILM. 
          I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT THREE 20 MADISON STREET. 
          AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE YOUR PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR THE ONE STORY GARAGE? YES. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL GARAGE WAS A PART OF THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION. 
          UM, HOWEVER, WE HAD SOME, UH, I GUESS IT WAS APPROVED BY YOU GUYS AND THE CITY, BUT THERE WAS AN INSPECTOR WHO WANTED THE PERMIT SEPARATED. 
          IT WAS A RENOVATION PERMIT AND HE WANTED IT TO BE RE WE ARE NOW REAPPLYING FOR A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S THE WHY, THE REASON FOR RESUBMITTING AS A, UH, RESUBMITTING THE GARAGE SEPARATELY FROM THE ORIGINAL C OF A C OF A THAT WERE ISSUED. 
          SO THE NEW, DO I KEEP GOING? OKAY. 
          SO THE NEW, UM, CARRIAGE HOUSE, UM, IS WITHIN THE, I'VE SUBMITTED THE SITE PLANS, UH, AND THE ORIGINAL APPROVED DESIGN WAS IN THE SETBACK OR WHEN IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT WAS, UH, DEMOED. 
          THE NEW CARRIAGE HOUSE, THE CONCRETE FORMS HAVE BEEN POURED AND THEY'RE WITHIN SETBACK REGULATIONS. 
          SO WE'RE NO, NO LONGER OUTSIDE OF THE SETBACKS. 
          UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WE'RE 8 8, 8 FEET, EIGHT INCHES FROM THE LEFT FIVE FEET, FOUR INCHES FROM THE REAR AND 
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FIVE FEET FOUR INCHES FROM THE, AND YOU HAVE THAT SITE PLAN. 
          OH NO, WE'VE ALSO, ORIGINALLY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DESIGNED AS A TWO STORY. 
          THAT WAS AN, AN ERROR WITH THE ARCHITECT. 
          WE DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING OVER ANYWAY, WE ARE DOING IT THE WAY WE ORIGINALLY INTENDED. 
          SO ON STAFF STIPULATIONS, I WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON THOSE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY RECOMMEND? SO, COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED SETBACKS TO STAFF FOR REVIEW, THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          UM, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE ON THAT ONE. 
          SO THAT'S THAT YOU HAVE THAT CORRECT? YEAH. 
          SO STAFF HAS ON FILE THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL. 
          SO THE REQUEST IS FOR AN UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN SHOULD THAT FOOTPRINT HAVE CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED WHEN THE ONE STORY GARAGE WAS APPROVED BY THE H D R C. 
          SO IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES AND THAT'S BEEN CONFIRMED, THEN THIS SITE PLAN CAN SERVE AS THAT SITE PLAN. 
          THE CHANGE WOULD BE THAT WE PUT IT INSIDE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WHERE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED TO BE WHERE THE OLD GARAGE WAS. 
          SO NO, IT, IT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE. 
          IT IS NOW, I GUESS WOULD BE THE ONLY CHANGE. 
          SO THE, THE SITE PLAN YOU HAVE IS THE ONE WE ARE STILL WORKING OFF OF. 
          UH, AND THE, THE CHANGES IN THAT IT WAS THE CONCRETE FORM FORMS HAVE BEEN POURED WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. 
          NOW. 
          SO MR. CHAIR YES. 
          OR SET NOT POURED. 
          SORRY. 
          DO DO WE HAVE A, ARE ARE WE LOOKING AT THE SET OF PLANS HERE? THAT'S ALL THAT WAS REQUIRED. 
          THE PLAN WITH THE RED LINES ON IT AND THE, AND THE THREE D ANIMATED OR THE ELEVATION THAT IS COLORED, ARE THOSE, IS THAT THE FULL SET OF PLANTS THAT, 'CAUSE IF THEY ALREADY POURED A FOUNDATION, I'M SORRY IT'S NOT POURED. 
          WE STARTED THE CONCRETE FORMS AND THOSE WERE SET THE INSPECTION BECAUSE WE HAD A C OF A FOR THAT WE STARTED FOR FOR ONE STORY. 
          FOR FOR ONE STORY. 
          YES SIR. 
          BUT IT WAS SHUT DOWN BY THE, UH, BY AN INSPECTOR WHO REQUIRED US TO GO BACK AND GET A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. 
          R RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          BUT NOW THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A ONE STORY CONCRETE FOUNDATION ARE DIFFERENT THAN A ATION. 
          THE FOUNDATION WAS DESIGNED FOR A TWO STORY IT FROM, FROM, FROM FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          IT WAS ALL THE MODIFICATION WE MADE WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE PLANS AS TO NOT HOLD UP THE PROJECT WAS BUILDING THE FOUNDATION AND THE FRAMING TO SUPPORT AN EVENTUAL SECOND STORY ADDED. 
          BUT NOW THAT WE'RE STARTING OVER, WE'RE DOING, SO THE FOUNDATION AND FRAMING SUPPORT IS BUILT FOR A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. 
          ALWAYS HAS BEEN OKAY. 
          BUT NOW, NOW THE DRAWINGS BEFORE US ARE, ARE NOT LET APPLICANT ADDRESS THE STIPULATIONS 'CAUSE THERE'S A STIPULATION ADDRESSING THAT. 
          NO, NO STIPULATION. 
          SEVEN MAYBE I'D LIKE TO SEE ALL THE STIPULATIONS AND THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I I HEAR YOU. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THE STIPULATIONS WITH A DRAWING. 
          'CAUSE THE STIPULATIONS KIND OF INFER THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING LOOK AT, I MEAN, THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY LOOK AT, AT I WHAT NUMBER IS IT THAT, THAT I, I THINK STAFF CAN CLARIFY. 
          SO THIS, UM, THERE WAS A PREVIOUS REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE H D R C. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS RETURNED TO THE H D R C TO REQUEST THE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          SO THESE PLANS ARE WHAT WE ARE REVIEWING TODAY. 
          SO, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL DUE TO NOT HAVING THE COMPREHENSIVE SITE PLAN AND, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. 
          AND SO THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN IS INCLUDED IN THIS APPLICATION, UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE ONE STORY, UH, CONSTRUCTION PLANS. 
          JUST AS A REFERENCE FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS WILL BE LOCATED, I DID SEND A REVISED ONE WITH THE ONE STORY STRUCTURE REMOVED. 
          UM, I CAN LEAVE YOU WITH A 24 BY 36 PRINTED COPY IF YOU WANT. 
          THAT IS EASIER TO LOOK AT. 
          SO I CAN LEAVE YOU WITH A COPY OF THAT. 
          I'VE GOT ONE FOR THE BOARD AND ONE FOR YOU IF THAT HELPS. 
          AND IT'S BEEN MODIFIED BY ME 'CAUSE I COULDN'T GET THE ARCHITECTURE ENGINEER TO TURN IT AROUND QUICKLY ENOUGH FOR THE HEARING. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          WELL, LET'S, UM, LET MS. WILMOTH, UM, ADDRESS THE STAFF COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GET TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ITEM TWO, UH, WINDOWS I WITHDRAW THE REQUEST FOR NEW WINDOWS. 
          WE'RE GONNA USE RECLAIMED WINDOWS. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL USE HISTORIC WINDOWS BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND, AND, UH, WE'VE JUST DECIDED WE'LL, WE'LL MODIFY THE STRUCTURE AND USE RECLAIM WINDOWS. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER EVERYTHING 
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FOR STAFF? WE HAD ALSO, UM, SO STIPULATION TWO IS REGARDING WINDOW SIZES, PATTERNS AND PROPORTIONS. 
          SO WE'D PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED CHANGING WINDOW SIZES FOR THE, FOR THE STRUCTURE TO MEET THAT STIPULATION. 
          UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU ARE ABLE TO, AND ALSO I KNOW THAT STIPULATION NUMBER FOUR, YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE GARAGE DOORS AS SUBMITTED. 
          ALTHOUGH IN THE PREVIOUS, UM, H D R C MOTION FOR THE ONE STORY GARAGE, THERE WAS A STIPULATION FOR THREE SINGLE BAY CAR GARAGE GARAGE DOORS IN LIEU OF THE TWO BAY GARAGE DOOR. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE H D R C REQUESTED THE IFICATION IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. 
          UH, MY HUSBAND AND I LIKED THAT DESIGN AND AGREED IMMEDIATELY. 
          HOWEVER, THE ARCHITECT, ENGINEER AND GENERAL CONTRACTOR, IT'S NOT REALLY POSSIBLE. 
          UM, I'M, THE POOL IS IN FRONT OF THE THIRD GARAGE BAY, SO IF THERE'S ONE SINGLE DOOR THERE, I'D HAVE, MY DAUGHTER WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE THROUGH THE POOL TO GET INTO THE GARAGE. 
          SO THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT THIRD BAY IS A DOUBLE DOOR WHERE WE CAN DO A LITTLE MANEUVERING TO GET THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, FULLY WOOD GARAGE DOORS AND PEDESTRIAN DOORS. 
          UH, WE HAVE NOT CHANGED THE GARAGE DOOR. 
          UH, IT WAS A, WE WERE APPROVED FOR A WOOD LOOK GARAGE DOOR TO STEEL DOOR WITH A WOOD OVERLAY. 
          UH, AND WE'VE DECIDED TO DO A PAINTED FINISH. 
          SO WE HAVEN'T CHANGED WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED AND IMPROVED. 
          IT'S THE SAME, UH, SAME PRODUCT AND THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, PORCH COLUMNS AND DETAILS? UH, WE WENT WITH A, I CHANGED IT TO A SIX INCH ROUND COLUMN BASED ON THE SUGGESTION OF THE STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE STAFF IS BASICALLY A SIX BY SIX SQUARE AS OPPOSED TO A ROUND. 
          WELL, ORIGINALLY THE PLAN THAT AS DRAWN IS A SQUARE COLUMN. 
          UH, THE HOUSE HAS CORINTHIAN COLUMNS IN THE FRONT OF IT, SO WE JUST SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO ROUND COLUMNS SINCE THERE ARE ROUND COLUMNS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          SO THE NEW PLAN THAT I SENT MAY, IT MAY NOT HAVE ARRIVED IN TIME. 
          I THINK I, I SENT IT YESTERDAY. 
          UH, SO IT JUST, IT, IT NOW DISPLAYS A SIX INCH ROUND COLUMN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT'D BE FINE WITH STAFF AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND INSTALLING THE JULIET BALCONIES REQUEST HAS BEEN REMOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE NEW RENDERING? OH YEAH, THAT, YEAH, THAT ONE HAS IT REMOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE IDEA OF THAT WAS TO MIMIC THE BALCONY ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME TO MAKE THE GARAGE, MAKE THE CARRIAGE HOUSE APPEAR AS IF IT WERE A PARTNER TO THE HOME. 
          UH, I THINK THAT'S A BIG BLANK SQUARE BOX WITH NO ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL. 
          UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA, MAYBE I MAY BE BACK AND ASK TO PUT AN AWNING ON IT OR SOMETHING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK GOOD WITH THE HOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, PROPOSED DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU'LL BRING THAT BACK TO STAFF? UH, YES. 
          WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE DRIVEWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONER, FISH. 
          SO I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SITE PLAN AND PARTICULARLY ABOUT, I GUESS THE FORMS. THE SHAPE OF THE TWO STORY PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY HAS KIND OF TWO BUMP OUTS, ONE ON THE LONG SIDE AND ONE ON THE SHORT SIDE. 
          AND NEITHER OF THOSE ARE SHOWN IN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL ONE. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THE SHAPE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TODAY ISN'T THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          SO THE SETBACKS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          THE BUMP OUT WAS WHERE THE ARCHITECT MADE THE MISTAKE. 
          THE BUMP OUT IS TO ACCOMMODATE MY HUSBAND'S TRUCK. 
          AND SO THAT PORTION OF THE GARAGE IS ABOUT TWO FEET LONGER? IS THAT CORRECT? ABOUT TWO FEET LONGER. 
          THAT FIRST GARAGE BAY IS ABOUT TWO FEET LONGER. 
          WE DO NOT HAVE A, THIS IS NOT ON THE SITE PLAN. 
          IF WE, IS IT, CAN WE MOVE TO THE SITE PLAN? THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT, THAT'S THE CURRENT, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REDESIGN OF RACHEL. 
          CAN YOU PUT UP THE ORIGINAL SITE'S, THE NEW ONE SITE PLAN'S. 
          THESE ARE THE PLANS FROM THE FIRED ARCHITECT . 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE'RE LOOKING, UH, WHERE WE SEE STORAGE ON THE GARAGE TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE NEAR THE NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE SHOWING A PORCH WHICH IS ADDED TO THAT SIDE NOW. 
          CORRECT? DO YOU WANNA HELP ME? I'M NOT, I WANNA, I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT, THERE IS A PORCH ON THIS. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS. 
          THERE'S A SO PORCH. 
          MY QUESTION IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT, GOSH IT LOOKS LIKE 15 FEET MAYBE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          HOW, WHAT'S THE DATE? THERE'S EIGHT FEET, EIGHT INCHES. 
          WILL YOU STAFF, WILL YOU ZOOM IN IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER THERE? THIS WAS MORE FOR REFERENCE BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY SITE PLAN I HAVE TO WORK ON NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE A NEW ONE PREPARED BY. 
          SO THIS IS SHOWING 16 FEET FROM WHAT IS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          WE GET REALLY NERVOUS 
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WHEN THERE ARE FORMS GOING UP AND WE DON'T HAVE SITE PLANS THAT CLEARLY SHOW THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN. 
          IT CAUSES A LOT OF TROUBLE WHEN WE GET FOUNDATIONS IN THE WRONG PLACES. 
          SO I'M, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS THAT RELATE TO STIPULATION NUMBER ONE ONLY AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEW WIDTH IS WITH THE PORCH INCLUDED ON THE SITE PLAN AND WHAT THE SETBACK IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THOSE NUMBERS EXACTLY. 
          I DID TAKE PICTURES AND I DID PENCIL THEM INTO THE PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM THE PORCH COLUMN TO THE PROPERTY LINE? THE PORCH COLUMN TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS GONNA BE WHERE YOU MEASURE THE SETBACK. 
          YOU MAY I LOOK AT THE PLANS BECAUSE I WANNA KNOW IF IT'S EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT INCHES INCLUDING THE PORCH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          FOUNDATION. 
          OKAY, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          I DIDN'T WANNA GIVE YOU THE WRONG ANSWER, SO IT'S OKAY. 
          BUT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS SO, SO THAT MEANS THAT THE PORCH IS THE DIFFERENCE. 
          THE PORCH IS THREE FEET AND THAT WOULD GIVE US FIVE FEET, EIGHT INCHES FROM THE SETBACK LINE. 
          SO THE MATH ISN'T ADDING UP IS, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE ON FILE SHOWS 16 FEET. 
          SO DID THIS THING GET WIDER? THIS IS PROBABLY WHY I WANTED TO SUBMIT IT AS A NEW AND NOT A REVIEW THESE PLANS. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, I, I ACTUALLY AGREE. 
          A NEW, A NEW SITE PLAN IS GONNA BE MUCH EASIER. 
          OH WELL WE'RE WE'RE, I JUST, THERE'S NO ARCHITECT THAT WOULD GET ME A NEW SITE PLAN IN A WEEK. 
          WE WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST WORKING BEHIND THE, THE, THE CURVE. 
          I, I, I THINK I TO GET, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE YOU ARE AND WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE FORMS SET. 
          BUT IT'S HARD. 
          THEY'VE BEEN THERE, THEY'VE BEEN FOR MONTHS SINCE WE OKAY. 
          THAT'S, YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR MONTHS. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT, WELL, WELL THANKS FOR THAT. 
          I'LL GET TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY IN MY INTENTION IS TO GET A NEW SITE PLAN, BUT FOR TODAY'S PURPOSES, THAT WAS JUST FOR REFERENCE. 
          THIS IS NOT, UNFORTUNATELY, THESE PLANS WERE NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR. 
          THIS IS ALL I HAVE TO WORK WITH AT THE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          YES. 
          UM, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TODAY WITH THESE STIPULATIONS. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE AMENABLE TO? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I I BELIEVE SO. 
          YEAH. 
          I BELIEVE WE'VE CONCEDED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. 
          WELL, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS DIFFERENT THAN A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TODAY. 
          IT REQUIRES THE UPDATED DRAWINGS. 
          CORRECT. 
          THAT WOULD MEAN YOU WOULD COME BACK TO H D R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF I JUST COULD GET VERY SPECIFIC DETAIL ON EXACTLY. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE AGREED TO EVERYTHING. 
          UM, I'VE GOT PICTURES AND MEASUREMENTS OF THE SETBACK LINES. 
          WHAT ELSE DO I, WHAT DO I OWE? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS LEFT FOR ME TO SUBMIT? THERE'S DETAIL PAGES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ADD MR. CHAIR, IT, IT, IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO GET A CONTINUANCE AND GET GUIDANCE FROM STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A, WITH A COMPREHENSIVE SET OF CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS, WHICH WOULDN'T BE THE LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL OF WORKING DRAWINGS. 
          BUT BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT, THE TWO ADDRESSES AT THREE 18, THE 3 26, AND I CAN ONLY ANTICIPATE THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK AND THEN WE'D, AND THEN SOMEONE WOULD ASK, HOW DOES AMASSING RELATE TO THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES WHEN STAFF SHOULD PROBABLY GIVE THEM SOME GUIDANCE TOWARD A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION THAT CAN GET 'EM TO CONCEPTUAL SO THAT THEY HAVE A, AT LEAST A, A SOFT COMMITMENT. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T SEE HOW WE'D GET, THEY'D GET A SOFT COMMITMENT TODAY. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME, EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT I'M MISSING MR. CHAIR. 
          I'D LIKE TO DO A MOTION BEFORE WE GO TO DISCUSSION. 
          UM, YES, LET'S GET A MOTION THEN WE CAN DO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          YES SIR. 
          MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS AND THEN ELABORATE. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SO, UM, CONCEPTUAL WILL AT LEAST GIVE YOU, UM, WITH SOMETHING SPECIFIC ITEMS TO WORK WITH AND I THINK YOU SAY YOU COMPLY WITH THEM AND THAT'S FINE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I THINK THAT WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU SAID I'M GONNA PUT WINDOWS OR UH, COMPLY WITH THAT. 
          WE JUST WANNA SEE UPDATED DRAWINGS WITH THOSE NEW DIMENSIONS OF THOSE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN AND WHERE. 
          AND THEN THE SITE PLAN, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE PICTURES AND YOU HAVE DRAWINGS AND YOU CAN PROVIDE IT. 
          THAT'S PERFECT. 
          WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO SHOW US THAT I SENT ALL OF THAT YESTERDAY SO I KNOW, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOO LATE OR, AND I THINK STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU NOW. 
          THAT WILL GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE IF THAT WAS SUFFICIENT OR NOT SUFFICIENT. 
          SO I THINK CONCEPTUAL DOES GIVE YOU MORE LEEWAY TO KIND OF CONTINUE AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD SAY I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT IF YOU COMPLY WITH, UM, ALL THESE STIPULATIONS AND WHAT YOU ALREADY SAID YOU AGREED TO, I THINK YOU CAN GET A FINAL APPROVAL VERY EASILY NEXT TIME. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, CAN I GET CLARIFICATION OF YOUR POSITION IN THE MOTION ON STIPULATION, UH, FOUR WITH THE GARAGE DOORS? SORRY. 
          AND, AND I, I GUESS, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A REASONABLE REASON TO, UM, ACCEPT THAT 
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ONE CAR, SINGLE CAR GARAGE AND A TWO CAR GARAGE, TWO DOOR, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? TWO CAR GARAGE DOOR OPTION AND THE SECOND CONCURS, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER GROOVE IS SAYING, I THINK YOU DO HAVE EVERYTHING IN IT MAY JUST NOT HAVE COME IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THAT IT WOULD BE A COHERENT PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. 
          SURE. 
          I FIGURED THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE WAS TO SOURCE HISTORIC WINDOWS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZES I'M GOING TO FIND, THEY'LL BE IN THE SAME PLACE. 
          UM, I HAVE TWO 30 BY 60 AND ONE 30 BY 30. 
          SO I LISTED THAT IN THERE. 
          IT'S GONNA BE WHAT I CAN, WHAT I CAN FIND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHAT, WHAT I CAN FIND FROM SALVAGE TO BE RESTORED. 
          RIGHT? SO I THINK YOU'RE, AND THERE'S ONLY FIVE WINDOWS TOTAL. 
          I THINK YOU'RE REAL CLOSE. 
          I THINK IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR CONCEPTUAL THAT THEN GIVES YOU, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME TO GO BACK, GET IT ALL WRAPPED UP AND THEN SUBMITTED. 
          SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING PROCESS, THERE ARE DEADLINES FOR SUBMISSION OF MATERIALS AND, AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          AND ALSO THAT GIVES STAFF TIME TO BE ABLE TO GIVE A COHERENT, YOU KNOW, EVALUATION OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING. 
          SO I THINK CONCEPTUAL IS, IS AN APPROPRIATE, UH, MOVE AT THIS POINT. 
          BUT, 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE REALLY CLOSE TO COME BACK TO US, UH, VERY SOON AND GET THIS PROJECT MOVING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. 
          SO THAT WILL REQUIRE ANOTHER HEARING THAT WILL JUST BE STAFFED. 
          IS THAT NO, YOU WOULD COME, IF THE, IF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS APPROVED TODAY, THEN YOU WOULD COME BACK, UM, MOST LIKELY TO THE NEXT HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WOULD BE ON THE 17TH, UH, WORKING WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE, UM, DRAWINGS AND INFORMATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED IN TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO? UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I DID HAVE A QUESTION, UM, BUT TO THE MOTION THAT'S MADE, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT AND LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, THE UPDATED D UH, DOCUMENTS. 
          BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THAT FIRST APPLICATION AND HOW YOU GOT HERE. 
          SO ORIGINALLY YOU WERE DOING A GARAGE, CORRECT? AND, AND THEN AT, AT SOME POINT YOU MADE THE DECISION TO DO A TWO STORY STRUCTURE OR IN THE PLANS FOR THE GARAGE, A TWO STORY, A SLAB THAT WOULD TAKE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE WAS ALREADY DECIDED. 
          WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE FUNCTION OF THAT SECOND FLOOR EARLY ON? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M ASKING? UM, I THINK SO. 
          NO, ORIGINALLY THE IDEA WAS FOR A TWO STORY STRUCTURE. 
          WE HAD SOME TROUBLE WITH THE PROCESS WITH THE PLANS AND ARCHITECT AND ALL THAT. 
          SO I COMPROMISED AND SAID FINE, SUBMIT IT AS, AS, AS IS. 
          SO IT WAS GOING TO BE A, IT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO STORY ASSESSMENT DWELLING UNIT ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON THE SECOND. 
          THAT WAS ALWAYS THE IDEA. 
          YES. 
          I DID NOT GET THAT WITH THE FIRST SET OF PLANS. 
          AND THIS IS PROBABLY PHASE FOUR OR FIVE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST FINISHING IT OUT. 
          WE, OR JUST BUILDING, YEAH, WE PROBABLY WON'T FI FINISH IT OUT FOR, IT MAY BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE I DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S JUST STRUCTURE AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT WASN'T A ZONING ISSUE, HAVING A SECOND FLOOR AND AN A D U WITH A THREE FOOT SETBACK, THAT WAS NOT THE ISSUE THAT STOPPED A CHANGE THE RAMP? NO, IT WAS THE FACT THAT THE INSPECTOR SAID THIS IS NEW CONSTRUCTION AND YOU HAVE A RENOVATION PERMIT, WHICH WAS EXACTLY HOW IT WAS SUBMITTED. 
          UHHUH, , THERE WAS NEVER ANY CHANGE. 
          BUT THE INSPECTOR, I WAS NOT ON PROPERTY, BUT MY GEN GENERAL CONTRACTOR WHO'S RIGHT HERE WAS, UM, AND HE SAID, YOU NEED A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. 
          AND WE, WE STOPPED WORK FOR THAT REASON. 
          GOT IT, GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          BRNO. 
          AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ. 
          NAY. 
          MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER? AYE. 
          GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          ZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE ALL OF IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO AGAIN, WORK WITH STAFF, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT, UH, SUBMISSION DEADLINE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GETS IN. 
          UH, SURE. 
          AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 13 1 19 WEST ROSEWOOD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH G. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SATISFIED THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK AND THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE. 
          IF THE H D R C FINDS THE APPLICATION TO BE COMPLETE AND FINDS DEMOLITION APPROPRIATE, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE AND SELECTS A CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR TO COMPLETE DECONSTRUCTION FORM SUBMISSION AND PERMITTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH U D C CHAPTER 12, ARTICLE TWO. 
          AS NOTED IN FINDING F AND TWO, ANY FUTURE REQUESTS FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 
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APPLICATION FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. 
          THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKET AND WE HAVE TWO VOICEMAILS AND THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER, EDWARD MARVIN, IS WITH US IN PERSON. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, YES. 
          MY NAME IS EDWARD MARVIN, I'M THE HOMEOWNER. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I WANTED TO START BY THANKING ALL OF Y'ALL, UH, THE OFFICE AND THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOR WHAT, WHAT Y'ALL DO. 
          UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH STRONG BELIEVERS IN, UH, HI HISTORICAL PRESERVATION. 
          LAST WEEK WE VOLUNTEERED FOR OUR 17TH YEAR AT OSA. 
          WE DON'T DO IT FOR THE PARTY, THAT IS NICE, BUT WE ALSO DO BELIEVE IN WHAT THE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY DOES. 
          UH, PRESERVING THE HERITAGE OF OUR CITY IS, IS, IS IMPORTANT. 
          HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS GARAGE THAT'S BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY, THERE, THERE REALLY IS NO HISTORICAL VALUE. 
          YEARS OF DETERIORATION BEFORE MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. 
          AND IN ADDITION, THAT WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, HAS CAUSED IT TO LOSE ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. 
          THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION ITSELF RECOGNIZES THERE IS NO HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IN ITS FINDINGS, BUT THERE'S MORE. 
          THIS STRUCTURE WAS DUST DESTINED TO FAIL FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MINUTE AS TO WHY IT COULD NOT BE REHABILITATED, AS I SEE IT. 
          UH, RESPECTFULLY, I DON'T SEE THE APPLICATION AS BEING INCOMPLETE AS I READ THE STATUTE. 
          I BELIEVE THERE ARE TWO PATHS TO DECONSTRUCTION. 
          ONE IS SHOWING THE UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP OR TWO, SHOWING A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. 
          WE HAVE ELECTED NOT TO SHOW THE UNRE UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THE FIRST PATH BECAUSE CANDIDLY, THE STRUCTURE CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. 
          AND I'M GONNA GO INTO ALL THE REASONS WHY HERE IN A SECOND. 
          INSTEAD, WE'D LOOK AT THE SECOND PATH, WHICH THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE DEMOLITION. 
          AND THAT IS THE SHOWING OF A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE CONCERNING THE LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. 
          THIS SECOND PATH, I WILL NOTE IN THE STAFF'S FINDING C WHERE IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS. 
          THE SECOND TO LAST SENTENCE STATES THAT THE PHOTOS I PROVIDED SHOW THE EXISTING STRUCTURE FEATURE SIGNIFICANT DETERIORATION, INCLUDING A SINKING FOUNDATION ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, WOOD ROT AND FAILING STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS. 
          CONTINUING TO THE STAFF'S FINDING E TITLED LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE, THE LAST SENTENCE STATES STAFF FINDS THAT A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE HAS OCCURRED DUE TO THE MODIFICATIONS AND SUBSTANTIAL DETERIORATION OF THE ORIGINAL MATERIALS. 
          THAT ALL HAPPENED BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE. 
          GETTING BACK TO THIS NOTION OF IT CANNOT BE REHABILITATED, WHY IT REALLY MAKES NO SENSE TO TRY TO DEMONSTRATE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP THE FIRST PATH, BUT ALSO SHOWING THE LOSS OF SEC SIGNIFICANCE. 
          THE SECOND PATH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE PICTURES, UH, THAT I SUBMITTED DURING THIS PROCESS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE STAFF HAS THE FIRST PICTURE UP THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO IN THIS FIRST PICTURE, YOU SEE THE, THE STRUCTURE, UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL GARAGE, I GUESS IS THE ORIGINAL WOULD BE THE, THE ONE THAT HAS THE SLIDING GARAGE DOORS THERE. 
          THE ADDITION, UH, THAT WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, IS THERE TO THE LEFT, UH, USED TO BE A LAUNDRY ROOM. 
          WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, I WALKED IN THERE AND FELL THROUGH THE FLOOR. 
          UH, BUT AS FAR AS THE GARAGE ITSELF GOES, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IN THE PICTURE IS THAT SLIDING GARAGE DOOR TO THE LEFT THERE ON THE BOTTOM OF IT, UH, YOU, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, THE PAINT HAS GONE AWAY FROM IT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S SOME, SOME WOOD, UH, THAT THE TENANTS WHO ARE IN THE HOUSE NOW HAD HAD PUT OUT ON THE GROUND. 
          BUT, BUT WHERE THAT WOOD LIES, UH, ESSENTIALLY, AND THEN WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE GARAGE DOOR DETERIORATED, THAT IS A PATHWAY FOR WATER. 
          SO EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WATER GOES RIGHT 
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UNDER THAT DOOR. 
          IF WE COULD FLIP, UH, STAFF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE YOUR NAME. 
          RACHEL. 
          IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. 
          THERE YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF A SIDE ELEVATION OF, YOU KNOW, LOOK LOOKING SIDEWAYS ON THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, THE, IN YOUR, YOU CAN SEE THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE THERE AND THE, THE DRIVEWAY SLOPES DOWNWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S ON A HILL AND IT SLOPES DOWNWARD TOWARD THAT GARAGE. 
          AND I, I LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR 11 YEARS BEFORE WE, WE OUTGREW IT, BUT I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT WHEN IT RAINS, THE WATER GOES DOWN THAT SOLID DRIVEWAY AND LITERALLY FLOWS THROUGH THE GARAGE. 
          NOW I'M A, I'M AN AVID WEEKEND WARRIOR, AND I, I WORK IN THE GARAGE AND DESPITE THE, THE CONDITION THERE, I, THAT WAS MY GARAGE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I HAD TO WORK WITH. 
          ANYTIME I WAS STAINING ANYTHING, ANYTIME I WAS, YOU KNOW, CREATING NEW CABINETS OR REFINISHING ANTIQUES, I ALWAYS HAD TO PUT IT ON SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM, UH, WHILE IT WAS DRYING OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE OF WHEN IT RAINS, IT WOULD GO AND IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT'D GET WET OTHERWISE. 
          AND IF WE COULD GO TO THE PICTURE I SUBMITTED, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S THE INTERIOR, IT'S PAGE 20. 
          IF YOU LOOK THERE AT PAGE 20, THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE. 
          YOU SEE THE LEAVES. 
          AND, AND, AND RACHEL, IF YOU DON'T MIND SCROLLING DOWN THERE, THE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM, I GUESS THAT'S LEFT THE, THE DARKENED, YEAH, KIND OF DOWN IN THERE, THE DARKENED AREA ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. 
          I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE PATHWAY OF THE WATER. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S DIRT AND, AND LEAVES THAT, THAT KIND OF GET BROUGHT INTO THE GARAGE. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THE CRACKS IN THE FOUNDATION THERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST FROM MOVEMENT OF THE SOIL IN MONTE VISTA OR IF IT WAS FROM, FROM WATER GOING THROUGH IT. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE, THOSE HAPPENED, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERE CRACKS IN THE FOUNDATION. 
          SO, AND I GUESS THERE'S ONE LAST PICTURE THAT I WOULD SHOW, UH, WHICH IS ON PAGE 17, I BELIEVE IT'S THE FRONT CORNER TAKEN AT A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TIME PERIOD THIS PAST WINTER. 
          UH, IT'S NOT THAT ONE PAGE 17 I, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE TO THE RIGHT. 
          SO THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE, IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE GARAGE IS ON A, ON A SLANT. 
          AND, AND, AND THE REAL REASON THE ROOF LINE SLANTS IS BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS, THE WA  THE WATER HAS, HAS LITERALLY ERODED OUT AND EATEN THAT WOOD ON THAT CORNER. 
          AND INSIDE THE GARAGE, I HAVE A POST THERE TO, TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE EVER TO, TO JUST FALL DOWN. 
          UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE, THE WATER IS JUST WASHING THE GARAGE OUT FROM UNDERNEATH. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I MAKE MY COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC UNREASONABLE ECONOMIC HARDSHIP, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GET A CONTRACTOR OUT THERE AND TO SAY, HEY, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO RE REFURBISH THIS? I MEAN, THEY, THEY COULD GO AND THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GIVE ME A BID ON, ON A FOUNDATION. 
          THEY COULD MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GET IN THERE SOMEHOW AND FIX THE FOUNDATION AND, AND THEN MAYBE FIX THIS WOOD THAT'S THAT'S DETERIORATED AND, AND SINKING DOWN. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER PICTURES OF THE WOOD ROT IN OTHER PLACES. 
          BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE DRAINAGE GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE GARAGE. 
          SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU PUT INTO IT, YOU'RE GONNA STILL HAVE WATER RUNNING THROUGH THAT GARAGE. 
          THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO FIX IT. 
          IT WAS A DESIGN FLAW. 
          UH, AND I'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE LOOK AT IT. 
          I'VE, I'VE HAD, UH, ARCHITECTS, WE, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE WERE THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO DO A, YOU KNOW, TWO STORY STRUCTURE. 
          AND, AND MAYBE SOMEDAY WE WILL, UH, BUT WE DON'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE. 
          UH, WE OUT, WE OUTGREW IT. 
          WE LIVE A, A FEW BLOCKS OVER. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR NOW, WE JUST WANNA TAKE IT DOWN AND WE JUST WANNA PUT GRASS THERE AND, YOU KNOW, GRASS IT IN AND PUT A FENCE AND, AND REALLY JUST KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE MORE SPACE IN THE BACKYARD. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF AND WHEN THE DAY COMES THAT WE DECIDE WE WANNA PUT SOMETHING ELSE UP THERE, WE CAN COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD AND, AND MAKE OUR REQUEST. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, AND THEN, AND THEN I KNOW THE STAFF HAS, HAS, HAS GOT SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME, OR, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, AND I KNOW PART OF THOSE IS THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, I READ THE DECONSTRUCTION ORDINANCE, AND I THINK THAT, THAT YOU 
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HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY USE THE MATERIALS IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT LEAD PAINTED  GARAGE THERE WITH THE, THE MATERIALS THAT'S IN IT, I, I FIND IT HARD TO, TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE ANY MATERIALS THERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE SALVAGEABLE. 
          UM, AS I READ THE STATUTE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS WE CAN REQUEST AN EXEMPTION. 
          I DID REQUEST THAT EXEMPTION WHEN I DID MY PERMITTING, UH, MATERIALS THAT I SUBMITTED. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT SHAKES OUT HERE TODAY. 
          UH, BUT IF A, IF A DECONSTRUCTION SPECIALIST WANTS TO COME OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND TELL US ALL THERE'S NOTHING THERE, THEN I GUESS WE CAN GO DOWN THAT ROUTE. 
          UH, BUT, UH, I GUESS THAT'S MAYBE AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND ALSO, THERE WAS ONE OTHER ISSUE. 
          THE, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A SITE VISIT. 
          I, I COULDN'T DO IT. 
          I, I, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONE OF MY TENANTS IS KIND OF, KIND OF A SAD, SAD DEAL PA PASSED AWAY LAST WEEK AND WAS LITERALLY IN HOSPICE WHEN THE REQUEST WAS MADE. 
          SO I, I, I FELT IT WRONG OF ME TO, TO CALL AND ASK FOR A SITE VISIT WHILE THE, THE, THE WIFE WAS CARING FOR HER HUSBAND. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DO THE SIDE VISIT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UH, MAY WE HEAR THE VOICEMAILS? THIS PHONE CALL IS REGARDING THE H D R C CASE NUMBER 2 0 2 3 DASH 1 1 3. 
          MY NAME IS ANN KINZER, AND I LIVE AT ONE 10 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE IN MONTE VISTA. 
          I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT ONE 19 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE IN MONTE VISTA. 
          THE STRUCTURE, WHICH WAS ONCE A GARAGE IS BADLY DETERIORATED AND IS AN EYESORE AND DOES NOT MEET THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I FULLY SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THIS REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT ONE 19 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          H D R C, ITEM NUMBER 2 0 2 3 1 3. 
          MY NAME IS MICHAEL MEL AND I LIVE AT ONE 10 WEST ROSEWOOD. 
          I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT ONE 19 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE IN MONTE VISTA. 
          THE STRUCTURE, WHICH WAS ONCE A GARAGE IS BADLY DETERIORATED, IS AN EYESORE AND DOES NOT MEET THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I FULLY SUPPORT THE DEMOLITION OF THIS REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT ONE 19 WEST ROSEWOOD AVENUE IN MONTE VISTA. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND THERE IS ANOTHER LETTER IN, UH, OUR PACKET UP HERE. 
          UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FOR STAFF. 
          MR. CHAIR? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THE APPLICANT DID A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          NOW I HAVE A MOTION, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, I CONCUR WITH, UH, APPLICANT'S PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND, UH, SOME OF STAFF'S FINDINGS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE AND MOVE FOR, UH, APPROVAL OF THE DEMOLITION WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION OR SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK, UH, WHEN STAFF SAYS THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF DOCUMENTATION OR INCOMPLETE, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT, IT IS LACKING SOME OF THE, THE, UH, STATEMENTS FROM A GENERAL CONTRACTOR OR A, OR A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. 
          BUT OFTEN THOSE JUST COME DOWN TO STATING THE OBVIOUS. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TENDED TO BE POORLY MAINTAINED, WERE CONSTRUCTED OF INFERIOR PRODUCTS. 
          UH, MATERIALS BEGIN WITH OFTEN THAT WAS FROM THE, THE SCRAPS THAT WERE LEFT OVER FROM THE MAIN HOUSE OR FROM JUST, UH, LOWER GRADE MATERIALS TO START OFF WITH. 
          UH, THIS IS CLEARLY BEEN DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES OF NEGLECT NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS PARTICULAR OWNER. 
          SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS. 
          UM, I DO DISAGREE ON THE, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SALVAGEABLE MATERIAL THAT MIGHT BE HERE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE JOISTS, THE CEILING JOISTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE STILL IN GOOD, GOOD SHAPE. 
          SO THERE'S NOT A LOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIDING LOOKS LIKE IT'S PRETTY CHEWED UP. 
          UM, BUT THERE, THERE MAY BE SOME GOOD HARDWOOD THAT'S STILL, UH, UH, AVAILABLE UP IN THE, UH, IN THE, IN THE FRAMING. 
          JUST FOR THE RECORD, I TALKED TO THE GUY AT ALMA HARDWOODS AND WHERE YOU WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE LONG, YOU KNOW, SLOW GROWTH PINE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY SLOW GROWTH IN THERE, BUT I GUESS WE'LL GET TO THAT POINT WHEN WE, WHEN WE SEE IT. 
          I, I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE CONCESSION TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THIS THING REMOVED, UH, TO GO AHEAD AND, AND 
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FIND WHATEVER YOU CAN OUT OF, OUT OF BE USED. 
          AND MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANNA TELL THE APPLICANT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A BEER IN YOUR FRIEND'S GARAGE, MANY, MANY GARAGES LIKE THIS RIGHT, ARE, ARE KIND OF COOL PLACES TO BE IN. 
          BUT, UM, THEY DIDN'T USE REBAR AND, AND IT'S, YOU, YOU RAISED GOOD, GOOD POINTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THESE STRUCTURES WERE INTENDED TO LAST. 
          AND THE PREVIOUS COMMENT TOO, THAT, UH, CLEARLY THEY WERE MADE WITH LEFTOVER PARTS, THEY WEREN'T. 
          AND, AND, AND ALSO THAT WE REALLY AS A CITY NEED TO KINDA LOOK AT THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO REUSE SOME OF THE WOOD THAT, FOR THE MOST PART CAN ALSO BE LOOKED AT AS KINDLING. 
          THE, THE LIGHTS ON FIRE VERY FAST WHEN IT'S LOST, ALL OF ITS, UH, UM, UH, I GUESS MOIST RESOURCES, RIGHT? SO, UM, I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR PICTURES AND ALL THAT STUFF. 
          IT TELLS ALL THE STORY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. 
          UM, YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION IS VERY GOOD. 
          I AM THE LAST ONE USUALLY TO JUMP ON THE DEMO BANDWAGON, BUT HERE I AM . 
          UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE PHOTOS ARE GOOD BECAUSE IT DOES SHOW ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS, AND THAT IS A LOSS OF CHARACTER, CONTRIBUTING CHARACTER APPEARS THAT THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S BEEN ADDED AND REPLACED OVER THE YEARS, THAT IT'S, UM, YOU REALLY DO HAVE TO DIG TO SEE THE ORIGINAL FORM, WHICH IS ONE THING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN EYE TO. 
          UM, AND THEN I THINK THERE IS A, A STRONG ECONOMIC, UH, DISCUSSION WHEN YOU'VE GOT A SLAB, CONCRETE SLAB IN HERE THAT IS IN SUCH DISREPAIR. 
          NOW, IF THIS WERE SITTING ON THE GROUND, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY THAT ONE COULD LIFT IT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, BUT THAT'S CLEARLY NOT THE CASE HERE. 
          SO, UM, AS I, UM, UH, LOOK AT THINGS REALLY ON A CASE BY CASE SPECIFIC SIDE BY SIDE CONSIDERATION, I'LL AGREE WITH YOU AND SUPPORT THE MOTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND LASTLY, UM, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          I THINK YOU'VE MADE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR LOSS OF SIGNIFICANCE. 
          UH, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE, UH, SOME VALUABLE MATERIALS STILL HERE. 
          UM, MAY NOT BE EVIDENT, BUT I THINK HAVING A, UH, CERTIFIED DECONSTRUCTION, UH, CONTRACTOR LOOK AT IT AND IDENTIFY ITEMS THAT, UH, COULD POSSIBLY BE, UH, SALVAGED AND REUSED. 
          UH, STUDS MAY BE SALVAGED. 
          YOU MAY HAVE TO CUT OFF THE BOTTOM 'CAUSE THEY'RE ROTTED OUT AT THE GROUND. 
          BUT, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME, UH, SALVAGEABLE MATERIALS IN HERE, SO I'M SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE. 
          FISH? AYE. 
          SENO. 
          AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ. 
          AYE. 
          MOOKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, H D R C CASE 2023 DASH 1 59 14 0 2 FULTON. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO MODIFY THE FRONT COURTYARD WALL, AND TWO, RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COURTYARD WALL MODIFICATION OR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION BASED ON FINDINGS. 
          A THROUGH D STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD RECONSTRUCT THE COURTYARD WALL ENCLOSURE TO MATCH THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING RETAINING WALL. 
          IF THE H D R C IS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE COURTYARD WALL MODIFICATION IN THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND THE APPLICANT MAY RETURN TO THE H D R C FOR HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. 
          UH, THERE IS ONE LETTER IN YOUR PACKETS WITH SIGNATURES IN SUPPORT AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ESRI GO. 
          GOMEZ AND MARIA LUISA CESAR ARE WITH US VIRTUALLY. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAD A VIRTUAL APPLICANT. 
          GIMME ONE SECOND. 
          AND AS A CASE COMMENT, THIS IS A COMPLIANCE CASE, UH, THAT CAME TO US AS A HIS HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION AND VERIFICATION APPLICATION. 
          UM, AND WHEN THE PROPERTY OWNER PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THEY DID NOT REALIZE THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD REMOVED A PORTION OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING COURTYARD WALL. 
          MARIA, ARE YOU THERE? YES. 
          HI. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY HERE WITH MY PARTNER CE GOMEZ. 
          AND WE ARE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED AT 1402 FULTON AVENUE. 
          UM, WE WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS AS YOU CONSIDER THE CASE OF OUR HOME. 
          WE PURCHASED THIS HOME IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022. 
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IT'S OUR FIRST HOME AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS ABOUT IN SAN ANTONIO. 
          I GREW UP HERE, I MADE MY CAREER HERE, AND MY ELDERLY PARENTS AND EXTENDED FAMILY LIVE HERE. 
          WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          THROUGH THIS PROCESS, MADE AWARE THAT OUR HOME HAS AN EXISTING VIOLATION BEFORE WE PURCHASED IT, AN EXTERNAL LEAVE WALL AND CLOSING THE OUTDOOR PATIO WAS REMOVED. 
          IF IT HAD BEEN UP TO US, WE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS CALL AND DID NOT KNOW UNTIL AFTER WE PURCHASED THAT THIS HOME WAS MISSING AND THAT OUR HOME WAS HISTORIC. 
          MY PARTNER AND I HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH IN ORDER TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, RESTORATIONS THAT SUPPORT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF OUR HOME, AND TO KEEP WITH THE STYLE OF SPANISH EC COLLECTIVE HOMES. 
          WE FOCUSED ON REPAIRS AND SUPPORT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE HOUSE, PROTECT IT FROM THE ELEMENTS, AND RESTORE SOME OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS STYLE OF HOME. 
          WE FIXED THE FOUNDATION AND REPAIRED WOOD ROCK AROUND OUR MANY, MANY WINDOWS. 
          WE MADE REPAIRS THE HOUSE FROM WATER DAMAGE. 
          WE REPLACED LINOLEUM FLOORS WITH SPANISH STYLE, THE TILES APPROPRIATE FOR THE STYLE OF HOME. 
          AND WE CHANGED OUT ALL THE GALVANIZED PIPES AND REPLACED THEM WITH P PIPES TO PROVIDE BETTER INSULATION FROM THE TEMPERATURE. 
          FLUCTUATIONS WE EXPECT WILL INCREASE WITH CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD MANY TIMES BEFORE YOU, WE DID NOT EXACTLY KNOW WHAT WE WERE GETTING OURSELVES INTO WHEN WE PURCHASED A HISTORIC HOME AND LAUNCHED INTO THIS RESTORATION PROJECT. 
          WHEN WE RECEIVED OUR HOME INSPECTION REPORT AND BEFORE WE MADE THIS PURCHASE, WE RECEIVED AN ESTIMATE FOR WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO MAKE NECESSARY REPAIRS WORKING UNDER HISTORIC UNPRECEDENTED INCREASES IN MATERIAL COSTS. 
          THE FINAL COST HAS BEEN FOUR TIMES WHAT WE EXPECTED, AND WE'VE UTILIZED ALMOST ALL OF OUR SAVINGS TO MAKE REPAIRS. 
          WHILE WE UNDERSTAND ENCLOSED COURTYARDS ARE STYLISTICALLY PART OF SPANISH ECLECTIC STYLE HOMES, WE ARE ADMITTEDLY END OF OUR BUDGET. 
          WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT THE COURTYARD IS STILL PARTIALLY COVERED BY AN EAST WING WALL AND THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE OFFERED SUPPORT AND HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE MODIFICATION MADE BY THE PREVIOUS HOMEOWNERS. 
          WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT REBUILDING THE WALL AND FABRICATING THE RAW IRON P COULD COST US THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. 
          IF THIS IS WHAT THE MISSION DECIDES, AS BEST WE WILL DUTIFULLY SAVE UP OUR FUNDS AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES REAPPLY FOR THE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          BUT AS I HOPE YOU CAN SEE FROM OUR APPLICATION, FROM OUR COMMENTS, AND FROM THE LETTER OF SUPPORT WE RECEIVED FROM CLOSE TO A DOZEN OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WE ARE HOPING TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPROVAL OF MODIFICATION THAT PREDATE US SO THAT WE CAN RECEIVE WITH THE HISTORIC TAX, HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION, WE HOPE TO FOCUS ON OUR FUTURE EFFORTS ON BUDGETING FOR CONTINUED ENERGY EFFICIENCIES THAT WILL ENSURE OUR HOME, WHETHER IN OUR HANDS OR SOMEONE ELSE'S WITHSTANDS ANOTHER 100 YEARS. 
          MANY THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. 
          UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU MAY HAVE. 
          UM, I ALSO HEAR FEEDBACK, SO APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE IF IT WAS HARD TO HEAR US. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WELL, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          I WANNA SEE IF STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO SIMPLIFY THE, THE PROBLEM I SEE A YELLOW, UH, ILLUSTRATION OF A YELLOW BUILDING AND THEN ILLUSTRATION OF A WHITE BUILDING. 
          IT SEEMS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE YELLOW BUILDING AND THE WHITE BUILDING, IS THAT THE YELLOW WING OUTSIDE OF THAT, WHAT IS THE COMPELLING PROBLEM, PARTICULARLY AS IT RE RELATES TO THE TECH CERTIFICATION? YES, THAT'S THE ONLY OUTSTANDING REQUEST ITEM. 
          STAFF DID CONDUCT A SITE VISIT AND ALL OF THE OTHER WORK IS APPROPRIATELY PERMITTED, HAS RECEIVED, UM, CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS AS NEEDED AND IS COMPLETE. 
          AND SO THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ITEM IS THE REMOVAL OF THIS COURTYARD WALL THAT DID NOT RECEIVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SO FROM THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY OWNER. 
          SO THEN THAT BEING THE ONLY QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO RECEIVING 
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OR BEING APPLICABLE FOR THE, UH, TAX? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION TAX INCENTIVE, THERE MUST BE NO VIOLATIONS ON A PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, IS, IS THAT THE INCLUSION OF, OF THAT WING, THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT WING OF, OF A BIG PROBLEM FOR YOU? THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN ESTIMATE, UM, FROM OUR CONTRACTOR ON WHAT THAT WOULD COST, AND WE JUST CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE THE BUDGET FOR IT. 
          UM, PART OF OUR EFFORT IN TRYING TO SEEK, UM, THE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION, UM, IS, IS TO HELP US OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE KNOW THE HOUSE WILL INCUR IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO J JUST SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE WALL SEEMS TO BE ABOUT 54 INCHES BY ABOUT 54 INCHES. 
          IT'S A SEGMENT OF WALL SO THAT, THAT SEGMENT OF WALL, UH, PRESENTS A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP? UH, IT DOES FOR US. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, UM, AND IT, I'M SORRY. 
          IT WOULD BE THE, THE WALL AND THE FABRICATION OF THE WROUGHT IRON PAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FOR STAFF NOW? STAFF STAFF, IS THAT, IS THAT, THAT, I MEAN, CONSIDERING IF WE TAKE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ENTIRE HOUSE AND SAY WHAT, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THIS, WHAT COULD BE A CONDITIONAL, UH, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A STIPULATION OF SOME KIND, THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE NO MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN ABOUT 5% OF WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE OVERARCHING, UH, HOUSE WOULD BE, MAYBE NOT EVEN FIVE, MAYBE 1%. 
          UM, IS THAT, THAT DETRIMENTAL TO, WOULD BE THAT DETRIMENTAL TO REQUEST FOR TAX CERTIFICATION? AN APPROVAL OF THE REMOVAL OF THE PREVIOUSLY EXISTING COURTYARD WALL WOULD MAKE THE PROPERTY ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE, BUT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN APPROVAL ON FILE. 
          SO THERE JUST CAN'T BE ANY EXISTING VIOLATIONS AND THE HOUSE WOULD NEED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE O O OKAY. 
          SO THEN, SO THEN YOU, WE, ON THIS END, WE WOULD NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AND THEN A MOTION TO APPROVE A TAX, UH, CERTIFICATION. 
          THERE ARE TWO REQUEST ITEMS, UH, ONE FOR THE COURTYARD WALL REMOVAL AND ANOTHER FOR HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          UH, SO WITH THAT APPROVAL, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, RETURN TO THE H D R C FOR THE FINAL STEP, WHICH IS HISTORIC TAX VERIFICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, WOULD C COULD A AN APPROVAL BE CONDITIONAL OR AN APPROVAL HAS TO BE APPROVAL PERIOD? IT CAN BE APPROVAL WITH A 12 MONTH PERIOD, UH, OR, OR WITH SOME, SOME, UH, COMMITMENT FROM THE, FROM THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT THEY WOULD I SEE CORY REACHING FOR THE MICROPHONE . 
          SO, I MEAN, UH, THEY WERE REQUESTING NOT TO HAVE THE WALL, SO AN APPROVAL OF BOTH ITEMS WOULD BE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AND THEY WOULD RECEIVE HISTORIC TAX CERTIFICATION. 
          NOW, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD A REQUIREMENT TO RECONSTRUCT THE WALL IN ORDER FOR THEM TO RECEIVE THE TAX CERTIFICATION, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE CERTIFICATION UNTIL THE WALL HAD BEEN COMPLETED, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG IT TOOK. 
          MR. CHAIR THERE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I'LL DO A MOTION. 
          MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER ANTES? YES. 
          SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK, I THINK, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER VOSQUEZ ASKED THIS, BUT, UM, IT ARE THE CURRENT OWNERS HELD, I DON'T WANNA SAY LIABLE, BUT ARE THE, ARE, ARE THEY, UH, PENALIZED OR THE ACTIONS OF PREVIOUS OWNERS WITH REGARDS TO HISTORIC CERTIFICATION? UH, AND, AND THE, LIKE, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A RECENT CHANGE. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, THE VIOLATIONS STAYED WITH THE PROPERTY TO AN EXTENT. 
          LIKE IF THIS WAS YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO DOCUMENT THAT THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO SIX OR EVEN 10 YEARS AGO, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE OF IT'S A RECENT, RECENT, UM, UH, CHANGE. 
          WE DO NEED TO REMEDY, UH, THE VIOLATION AT THIS POINT IN ORDER TO AWARD THE CERTIFICATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GRU? I THINK THE, UM, I'M GONNA MOVE TO APPROVE THE WALL MODIFICATION AND THE TAX, UH, VERIFICATION RESTORE TAX CERTIFICATION A SECOND. 
          MOTION A SECOND. 
          AND, AND I'LL ELABORATE ON THIS. 
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I MEAN, IT IS ON A CASE BY CASE. 
          SO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, CERVAN JUST MENTIONED, I MEAN, IT WAS, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A GOOD PRESENTATION, OR AT LEAST, I MEAN, TO SEE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT WASN'T AN INTENT TO, FOR THEM, FOR THEIR SIDE. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BEFORE. 
          UM, TO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ POINT, IT IS A, A LITTLE, UM, I MEAN, A SMALLER MODIFICATION THAN WHAT THE REST OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DONE ON THE BIG WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE HOUSE. 
          UM, SHE STILL HAS, THEY STILL HAVE A PIECE OF THE WALL ON THE LEFT SIDE. 
          AND I MEAN, I, I FEEL LIKE THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A GOOD CASE FOR ME TO, YOU KNOW, PROVE THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMENTS? I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, I, I'M SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER GRU'S MOTION, UM, BUT I, I WOULD JUST, UM, ADVISE THAT, THAT THE WALL IS IMPORTANT TO THAT ELEVATION. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE YELLOW ELEVATION AND THE WHITE ELEVATION, IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BALANCE OF YOUR FACADE. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT THE GATE IS, SO, SHOULD THIS, UH, UH, MOTION PASS, I WOULD IMMEDIATELY GET WITH SOMEONE TO RECONSTRUCT THAT SEGMENT OF THE WALL, BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE, THE, THE FRONT LOOKS LIKE ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE MISSING THAT, THAT BOX, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE, IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH KIND OF THE, THE FLOW OF THAT FACADE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S JUST ADVICE. 
          BUT, UH, FROM THE PICTURES THAT YOU'VE, THAT YOU'VE PLACED, YOU'VE, YOU'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK. 
          UH, CONGRATULATIONS ON ALL THAT, JUST YES. 
          COMMISSIONER MAZUA, I HAVE, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION, AND I GUESS IT'S TO STAFF, IS THAT PICTURE THAT WE SEE WITH THE YELLOW HOUSE IS THAT WALL ORIGINAL? I MEAN, TO ME IT DOESN'T LOOK ORIGINAL AND THAT GATE LOOKS OUT OF PLACE. 
          YES, THE GATE IS LIKELY REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, BUT THOSE COURTYARDS ARE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES IN THE FULTON HISTORIC DISTRICT UNTIL YOU'LL SEE MANY, MANY HOMES ALONG THE STREET SKATE THAT WILL HAVE FRONT COURTYARDS AS WELL. 
          IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT HAS ARTICULATION TO IT, AND MAYBE IT ORIGINALLY DID. 
          I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE, THE AMENDMENT OR THE MOTION. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. 
          I WILL ALSO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT, HOWEVER, I DO AGREE VERY STRONGLY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ AND HIS COMMENT REGARDING THE AESTHETIC OF THAT EL ELEVATION ALONG YOUR BLOCK FACE. 
          THERE ARE A, THERE'S A RANGE OF ENCLOSURES, UH, WHETHER THEY'RE WROUGHT IRON OR, UM, THE STUCCO WALL, AND THEY OCCUR IN DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS, BUT IT IS VERY, THEY'RE ALL DONE VERY ARTFULLY AND CAREFULLY. 
          SO I, I FEEL LIKE LOOKING, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE NEWLY RENOVATED ELEVATION, THAT THERE'S A EXTRA TOOTH MISSING OR SOMETHING, UM, AND I WOULD, I WOULD REINSTATE A WALL OF SOME SORT WROUGHT IRON OR IDEALLY A BLOCK STUCCO WALL REALLY TO RESOLVE THE, THE, UM, I GUESS THE PROCESSION OF ENTRY THROUGH THE FRONT AND TO THE FRONT DOOR. 
          I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESSION ELEMENT IS HAVING THAT ENCLOSURE. 
          SO, BUT OTHERWISE I WILL SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION . 
          YEAH, MR. CHAIR FOR THE, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          I, I WOULD AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON, ON THAT. 
          UM, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING VERY EXPENSIVE INITIALLY. 
          IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT'S EASILY, UH, PUT UP AND THEN FILLS IN THAT, THAT AREA. 
          I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. 
          ACTUALLY, I SECOND IT, BUT I DO CONCUR WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ON SOMETHING KIND OF NEEDS TO BE THERE. 
          AND AS A HOMEOWNER, IT SEEMS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF PRIDE IN, IN GETTING IT UP TO SPEC AS FAR AS HISTORIC ASPECT GOES. 
          SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          AND FINALLY, I WOULD, UH, I'M SUPPORTING THE MOTION AS WELL, BUT, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU THAT WHEN YOU DO FIND THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUNDS TO, UH, CONSIDER REINSTATING THAT WALL, UM, YOUR SIDEWALK, UH, CURVES AROUND TO WHERE THERE ORIGINALLY HAD BEEN THE, THE OPENING WITH THE, THE WROUGHT IRON GATE. 
          AND, UM, IT DOES LOOK LIKE SOMETHING IS MISSING. 
          SO, UH, I COMMEND YOU ON THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THE, ON THE HOUSE AND, UH, YOUR, UH, COMMITMENT TO THE PRESERVATION. 
          AND, UH, JUST ENCOURAGE YOU WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF TO, UH, REACH OUT TO STAFF. 
          AGAIN, THIS COULD PROBABLY BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL SINCE IT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY. 
          UM, JUST CONSIDER THAT WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF. 
          MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. 
          FISH NAY. 
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ENO AYE. 
          VELAZQUEZ AYE. 
          ZUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE. 
          GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          RUSSIAN CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND, UM, WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS HOUSE AND WE PLAN TO CONTINUE THAT WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 I AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 48 4 19 FLORIDA STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, TO, UH, REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE INFILL THREE WINDOWS AND ADD FOUR WINDOWS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          TWO. 
          INSTALL EIGHT WINDOWS TO THE REAR ADDITION. 
          THREE, THE MODIFICATION OF THE ROOF FORM OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED REAR ADDITION FROM A LOWER SLOPED SHED ROOF TO A STEEPLY SLOPED SHED FORM FOUR, THE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF ALL WOOD ONE 17 WATERFALL SIDING ON THE HOUSE AND TO PAINT THE NON MASONRY EXTERIOR. 
          FIVE, THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL ALUMINUM AND VINYL WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS. 
          AND SIX, THE INSTALLATION OF A TWO CAR CARPORT AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          ARE WE ON FOUR 10 MISSION? I THINK YOU'RE READING THE FOUR 19 FLORIDA, I'M SORRY. 
          UM, FOUR 10 MISSION HAS, UM, WHICH ARE ON THEIR APPLICATION. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          MY APOLOGIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO THIS IS AGENDA ITEM 13, AND SO PLEASE, PLEASE PROCEED. 
          OKAY. 
          RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR THROUGH SIX BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. 
          ONE THAT THE PROPOSED SQUARE CLEAR STORY AND FIXED WINDOWS BE MODIFIED TO FEATURE WINDOW PROFILES THAT ARE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE ESTABLISHED PATTERNS FOUND ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND IN THE DISTRICT UPDATE. 
          UPDATED ELEVATION DRAWINGS ARE REQUIRED FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT RETAINED THE HISTORIC WINDOW OPENINGS AND REPLACED THE NON-ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH THE PROPOSED ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS THREE THREE, THAT THE ONE 17 WOOD WATERFALL SIDING REPLACEMENT BE INSTALLED IN THE SAME MANNER AS THE SIDING PREVIOUSLY REMOVED WITHOUT ADDITIONAL SHEATHING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME WALL THICKNESS AND DETAIL WHERE THE SIDING MEETS THE EXISTING WINDOW. 
          TRIM FOUR THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT TO STAFF CARPORT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR REVIEW. 
          STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM THREE BASED ON FINDING F. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE ROOF FORM PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY H G R C. 
          IF THE SINGLE SLOPED ROOF FORM IS APPROVED BY THE H E R C, THEN THE PROPOSED FENESTRATION CONFIGURATION FOR THE WEST FACADE OF THE ADDITION THAT INCLUDES THE CLA STORY WINDOWS MAY BE CONSIDERED COMPATIBLE WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN. 
          THE HOMER HOMEOWNER, HAMID ANI IS HERE IN PERSON AND THE APPLICANT NICK MILLED AMEL IS ATTENDING. 
          VIRTUALLY NOTE THAT THERE ARE THREE DOCUMENTS FOR THIS CASE IN THE LATE SUBMITTAL FOLDER, AND WE DO NOT HAVE NICK VIRTUALLY. 
          SO IT'S JUST YOU SIR, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE YOUR COMMENTS. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRS AND, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, I AM HAMID ANI. 
          WE, MY, MY WIFE. 
          UH, WE ARE THE OWNER OF FOUR 19 FLORIDA. 
          UH, WE MOVED, UH, TWO YEARS AGO AND TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WE WERE VERY EXCITED BECAUSE WE SAW THE HISTORIC VALUE AND THE, THE VALUE THAT WE WANTED TO SEE FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE WE CURRENTLY RENTING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT HOPEFULLY THE HOUSE WOULD BE READY FOR US TO MOVE IN. 
          ORIGINALLY WHEN WE START THIS PROCESS, I'D LIKE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF PREVIEW WHEN WE START THIS PROCESS. 
          WHEN WE GOT SOME QUOTATION, THEY TOLD US THAT ROUGHLY BRINGING THIS HOUSE IS GONNA BE $150,000 TO, TO REBUILD THE HOUSE, MAKE IT INHABITABLE. 
          BUT, UH, FRANKLY, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I HAVE SPENT CLOSE TO ALMOST TWICE, AND I'M NOT EVEN NOTHING THERE. 
          UM, BASICALLY WE TRY TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL ELEMENT. 
          UH, WE WILL LIKE TO BASICALLY, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE THE HOUSE THAT IS 
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SAFE FOR OUR FAMILY, UH, FRANKLY, IS NOT SAFE. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, ONE DAY THAT I, THEY WERE TRYING TO REMODEL THE HOUSE, I WAS LEANING ON THE WALL, JUST PUTTING MY HAND LIKE THAT. 
          I JUST WENT THROUGH. 
          UH, SO PRIMARILY THE HOUSE IS A SAFETY HAZARD. 
          UH, AND THEN, UH, ALL WE HAVE DONE SO FAR IS JUST WE REPAIRED ENTIRE FOUNDATION IN ORDER TO, HOPEFULLY WE DIDN'T, THEY WERE NOT TOLD US THAT THERE'S A FOUNDATION PROBLEM WHEN WE GET THERE. 
          ENTIRE HOUSE IS DEMOLISHED AND FOUNDATION. 
          WE SPENT ALMOST, ALMOST $50,000 JUST FOR THE FOUNDATION, UH, WHEN WE DID THAT. 
          UH, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE START OTHER PROCESS. 
          I HAVE SOME, I HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF TIME. 
          WE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL, UH, OUR ARCHITECT, NICK MELDY, IN ORDER TO HOPEFULLY HELP US TO BUILD THIS. 
          OBVIOUSLY WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF EXPENSES TO GET HIM, UH, HE ATTENDED, UH, THE FIRST, AND NOW APPARENTLY HE'S ON THE ROAD AND HE CANNOT, CANNOT BE HERE. 
          SO, UH, I BEGGED THE COMMISSIONERS AND MR. CHAIR, UH, TO REEVALUATE. 
          WE WERE ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR THE, UH, BASED ON THE ARCHITECT. 
          THEY WANTED TO PUT A GALIUM UH, METAL ON THE ROOFING. 
          BUT ONCE WE GET TO THE POINT THAT WE REALIZED THAT PRICE ALMOST DOUBLE THAN THE, THE SHED ROOF, SO WE DECIDED TO GO TO THE SHINGLES. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHY WE ASKED THE CONTRACTOR. 
          UH, THEY TOLD US THAT THE SLOPE HAS TO BE SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UH, IN ORDER TO BE THE, UH, ABLE TO HANDLE THE SHINGLES. 
          SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, UH, STILL, UH, WE TRY TO STICK TO ALL THE, UH, ELEMENTS, UH, OF THE HISTORICAL, BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IT TOOK OUR ATTENTION. 
          AND WE REALLY LOVE THE BACKYARD OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND THEN, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY PRIME REASON THAT WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. 
          BUT AS WE GO ON, WE, EVERY DAY WE'LL FIND OUT MORE PROBLEM, MORE PROBLEM . 
          SO IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT THAT FRANKLY, I EXHAUSTING ALL OUR SAVING. 
          WE BOTH ARE RETIRED. 
          WE CAME HERE IN ORDER TO BE CLOSER TO THE FAMILY AND HAVE A SMALL HOUSE THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY CARRY ON THE REST OF OUR LIFE. 
          THAT WHATEVER GOD GIVES US, UM, REGARDING THE, UH, THE SIDING, EVERYTHING THAT WE DO TO THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE SAME KIND, IS NOT GONNA BE NOTHING PARTICULARLY THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND WHATEVER IS VISIBLE IS GONNA BE EXACTLY AS WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. 
          UH, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I EVEN SAVED WHOLE BUNCH OF THE STUFF THAT I TOOK OUT TO MAKE THAT SIMPLE. 
          THERE WAS A WINDOW THAT IT HAD A METAL. 
          WHEN THE LIFT UP IN OLD FASHIONED, WHEN YOU LIFT UP THE WINDOW, THERE IS WEIGHT SCALES. 
          I EVEN TOOK THAT AND PUT IT IN MY CAR. 
          SEVERAL SO FAR. 
          THE HOUSE WAS VANDALIZED. 
          THEY STOLE THE FRONT OF THE DOOR. 
          THEY, THEY STOLE SOME, SOME ITEMS THAT WE SAVED. 
          UH, FRANKLY, IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT THAT I WAKE UP MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AT THREE O'CLOCK AND WORRIED. 
          MY WIFE SAYS, WHY ARE YOU WORRIED? I SAID, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS HOUSE. 
          UM, THE REASON THAT WE CLOSED SOME OF THE WINDOWS ON THE, THE ADDITION THAT WE ARE DOING TO THE HOUSE IS PRIMARILY FOR SECURITY REASON. 
          AND THEN THAT THERE WERE TWO VERTICAL WINDOWS THAT I THINK MR. MORALES WAS TELLING US. 
          BY THE WAY, MR. MORALES HAS BEEN SUPER HELPFUL HELPING ME. 
          WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, THOSE TWO WINDOWS PRIMARILY FOR SECURITY REASON. 
          WE HAD TWO WINDOWS IN THE BACK, SUPPOSEDLY BASED ON THE ARCHITECT. 
          UH, HE WANTED TO PUT THE WINDOWS ON THE SHOWER. 
          AND THE BATHTUB, OBVIOUSLY, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT TRANSPARENT, BUT HAVING WINDOW THERE TO ME IS A KIND OF, UH, FRANKLY, IS NOT CORRECT BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU'RE TAKING A SHOWER AT NIGHT, YOUR FIGURE WILL SHOW IN THE BACK. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THOSE, LEAVE THE JUST WINDOW ON THE TOP FOR LIGHTNING. 
          SO PRIMARILY, REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IN ORDER TO ALSO, WE MOVE THE CARPORT TO THE STRAIGHT ON THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE MAKING A, THE ARCHITECT ORIGINALLY DRIVE THE CARPORT RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROOM THAT WE ARE ADDING, BUT IT DOES NOT GIVES YOU ENOUGH CURVE TO PULL IN AND PULL OUT. 
          SO WE DECIDED TO, OKAY, THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO PUT THE CARPORT ON A DRIVEWAY STRAIGHT SO THAT WAY WE CAN GET IN, GET OUT A LITTLE BIT EASIER. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HOPEFULLY REQUESTING, UH, MS. MORALES, I BELIEVE, UH, HE'S AGREE WITH US IN A LOT OF ITEMS. AND THEN, BUT I, I BEGGED THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER 
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THE EXPENDITURE THAT I'M GOING THROUGH, THE LOVE THAT I HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE HISTORIC, UH, THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN. 
          BUT FRANKLY, I AM AGAINST THE ROCKS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL? WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I HAD A QUESTION OF STAFF. 
          SO IN THE, IN THE ROOF PATTERN, I'M, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE, UH, PREVIOUS FILES IN THE LATE FILES. 
          THE CHANGE IN THE ROOF IS THAT IT'S STOOD UP TALLER THAN WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TO MATCH THE SLOPE OF THE HISTORIC ROOF. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          UM, THE, UH, ARCHITECT AND ALSO THE HOMEOWNER HAVE NOTED THAT THE, UM, CHANGE IN THE PROPOSED ROOF FORM IS DUE TO HVAC INSTALLATION. 
          UM, THAT'S THE REASON GIVEN. 
          THAT'S ALSO THE REASON THAT SOME OF THE WINDOWS, SOME OF THE WINDOWS NEEDED TO CHANGE WERE THERE. 
          UM, NEITHER THE HOMEOWNER NOR THE APPLICANT HAVE MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE WINDOW FENESTRA OR THE FENESTRATION MODIFICATIONS IS AS THE HOMEOWNER DISCUSSED, UM, PARTIALLY DUE TO PRIVACY AND ALSO SECURITY, UH, PURPOSES. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          AND MAY I UH, MAY I WANNA COMMENT ONE THING, SIR, ON THAT YES, SIR. 
          ROOF SLOPE THAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          THAT SLOPE, THAT ROOF IS NOT VISIBLE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE AT ALL. 
          SO WHEN YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A SLIGHTLY CHANGE THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT VISIBLE. 
          SO IT DOES NOT CHANGE NOTHING REGARDING THE HISTORIC LOOK OF THE HOUSE. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. 
          I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, DO YOU KNOW THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED PITCH OF THE ROOF AND THEN WHAT IS NOW BEING PROPOSED? TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT PROFESSIONAL IN THIS MATTER. 
          UH, BUT LOOKING AT THE PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO 12, THAT'S WHAT I READ. 
          AND RIGHT NOW IT IS SLIGHTLY MORE THAN THAT. 
          AND SIMPLY BECAUSE THE ROOFER TOLD US THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT SLOPE IN ORDER TO HAVE THE, UH, FOR SHINGLES. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          BUT UH, THERE, UH, AS I SAID, THE ROOF IS NOT VISIBLE AND IS NOT, IS AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE MAIN HOUSE ROOF IS HIGHER THAN THIS ROOF. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS BEEN ABLE TO SEE, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN, UH, AN INDICATION ON THE DRAWINGS WHAT THE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. 
          AND WHAT, IF YOU LOOK ON PUTTING IT ON SCREEN. 
          SO IT'S TWO AND 12? YEAH, 13 OF 26. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UH, YES SIR. 
          OR, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP ORIGINALLY SAYS TWO 12, CORRECT? YEAH, BUT I'M TRYING TO, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT ENGINEER TO KNOW WHAT THAT TWO 12 MEANS, BUT THAT IS TWO 12, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THE NEW PROPOSED IS. 
          I BELIEVE THE, THE, THE ROOF COMPANY TOLD US SHOULD BE MINIMUM THREE 12, AND THAT WOULD BE CORRECT FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS WELL. 
          UM, BUT THIS IS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT. 
          IT, ON THE DRAWING, IT, IT SHOWS, UH, MR. COMMISSIONER, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS BECAUSE AS I SAID, IT IS LIKE A, WHEN YOU STAND IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T SEE THAT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING FROM TWO AND 12 TO LIKE SIX AND 12. 
          UH, SO IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. 
          AND, AND I JUST THINK THAT THE EXISTING I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK MATCHING THE EXISTING ISN'T NECESSARILY THE, THE, THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. 
          I THINK GIVING THIS THING A LITTLE SUBSERVIENCE TO THE, TO THE MAIN HOUSE IS, IS, UH, THE PREFERRED, UH, RESULT, UH, FROM THE, THE GUIDELINES. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE AERIAL VIEWS OF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, I THINK, UH, ARCHITECTS HAS HAD A, A MASTERFULLY WELL-CRAFTED CONCEPTION FOR, FOR THIS TO MAKE THOSE, UH, THE REAR ADDITION, UH, SUBSERVIENT TO THE PRIMARY HOUSE. 
          AND THIS, THIS ENDS UP RESULTING IN, IN A LOT OF FOREHEAD ABOVE THE, UH, UH, ABOVE THE, THE WINDOWS ON THE, UM, THE SIDE POINTING TOWARDS THE BACKYARD. 
          IT JUST, IT LOOKS VERY AWKWARD TO ME. 
          AND, UM, AND WHILE IT MAY NOT BE READILY VISIBLE FROM THE, FROM THE, THE STREET, THE, UH, THE CARPORT IS NOW GOING TO BE READILY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IN THE, IN THE NEW PROPOSAL WHERE ORIGINALLY IT WAS VERY MASTERFULLY TUCKED IN OR BEHIND, UH, THE ADDITION. 
          SO I, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT, UH, DEGRADING OF, OF THE DESIGN INTENT HERE AS A RESULT OF, OF, OF SOME THINGS THAT I THINK COULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMP ACCOMPLISHED MUCH MORE SUBTLY. 
          MI MR. 
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CHAIR? UH, YES, SIR. 
          I WAS TRYING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE, WE COULD GET INTO A CONVER A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          UM, WHICH IS WITHIN A MOTION, RIGHT? A MOTION. 
          AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          UM, IT'S FOR CONCEPTUAL. 
          SO CONSIDERING LIKE THE, THE LAST CON, IT WAS FOR CONCEPTUAL, RIGHT? I MEAN, THE MOTION AMENDMENT COULD BE FOR CONCEPTUAL, BUT THE APPLICATION WAS FOR A C OF A. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I SAW IN SOMETHING, I'M LOOKING HERE, IT WAS, I I MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT ANOTHER, SOMETHING. 
          WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND, AND THEN WHETHER, UH, WHETHER PASSES OR NOT, WE COULD AT LEAST GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. 
          SO MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, DOES THAT INCLUDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW DISCUSSION. 
          WELL, I I I WANT TO, UH, SEPARATE TWO THINGS, THE PLAN AND THE ELEVATION. 
          SO THE PLAN IS A INTERESTING PLAN. 
          IT, IT, IT'S, IT, IT PROVIDES KIND OF AN ELEGANT PATHWAY TOWARD THE, THE HORIZONTAL BEHAVIOR OF THE, OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS HOUSE, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          AND THEN WE GET TO THE ELEVATION, WHICH IS TO BE THE CONS ON THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL. 
          THE PLAN GIVES THEM A GOOD GUIDELINE. 
          THE ELEVATION THEN BECOMES PROBLEMATIC IN A FEW PLACES THAT, THAT SEEM TO BE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, OF A FORMAL APPROVAL, WHICH WOULD BE THE WINDOWS, RIGHT? SO WE ALREADY KNOW THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE WINDOWS, RIGHT? SO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO CONSIDER WINDOWS CONCEPTUAL. 
          IF WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS, UH, THE FORM THE BOX, NOT THE, NOT THE PENETRATIONS, THE, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEY, THAT THEY CARRIED THE, THE ROOF PITCH. 
          IT PROBABLY A VERY PROMINENT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. 
          AND THAT THEY COULD HAVE ALSO BENT THE ROOF PITCH BACK DOWN, RETURNED THE ROOF PITCH AT ANY POINT THAT THEY WANTED TO RETURN THE ROOF PITCH, KEEPING ALL THE LINES PARALLEL WITH EACH OTHER SO THAT THERE'S AT LEAST SOME THAT, THAT, THAT THE BUILDING IS FOLLOWING ITS OWN RULES, RIGHT? IT IT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE, WHAT, WHAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, UH, AN ATTEMPT AT A CLEAR STORY WHICH DOESN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, OF THE FULL HEIGHT OF THAT CLEAR STORY. 
          SO THAT IT REALLY BEGS THE QUESTION AS TO WHY ARE YOU USING A CLEAR STORY LIKE THAT IN WHICH AN ANSWER COULD COME BACK TO SAY, WELL, WE NEED TO RUN OUR AIR CONDITIONS. 
          IN WHICH CASE IT'S KIND OF A WASTE OF A CLEAR STORY, RIGHT? BUT IT'S, BUT IT STILL GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEND THE APPLICANT BACK TO SAY, LOOK, NOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO TREAT IT LIKE A PIECE OF CLAY AND NOW START CARVING OUT AN ELEGANT ELEVATION, . 
          IF THEY GET A CONCEPTUAL, THEN THEY CAN RESPECT THAT PLAN AND GO BACK AND NOW START TO ARTICULATE THE ELEVATION, WHICH I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO COMING OUT WITH AN ELEVATION THAT RESPECTS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE, THE, THE STREET SCAPE. 
          AND THAT GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY, UM, THAT THE, THAT THAT EVERYTHING HAPPENING BEHIND, IT'S HAPPENING ALL WITHIN CONCERT OF ITSELF. 
          SO IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF US SAYING, HEY, MAKE IT ALL SUBORDINATE TO THE FRONT. 
          WE DON'T CARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE BACK, BUT IT ACTUALLY GIVES 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO KNOW THAT WE WANT IT SUBORDINATED, WE WANT IT SUBORDINATE, BUT NOW THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT ALL ELEGANT, WHICH IS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE, NOT, NOT, NOT TO OURS BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE STREET. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'LL PASS IT OVER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, MR. CHAIR. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP. 
          I MEAN, JUST, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT HE, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO A C OF A. 
          SO HE ALREADY HAS A C OF A, AND I DON'T KNOW IF CONCEPTUAL IS EVEN GONNA GET US FURTHER. 
          I SAY I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IS, BUT MAYBE MAKE AN AMENDMENT AND SAY, OKAY, WE CAN APPROVE EVERYTHING ELSE AND NOT ITEM THREE PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND ITEM THREE MEANS YOU CAN COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT DESIGN AND COME BACK AND LIKE COMMISSIONER ALASKA SAY RETHINK THE PROJECT. 
          IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHERE A CONCEPTUAL FALLS IN WHEN IT'S AN AMENDED AMENDMENT OF A C OF A, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          YEAH, MADAM COMMISSIONER, UH, YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT THE, WHAT MY POINT IS RIGHT NOW, FRANKLY, WITH ALL THE RAINS THAT HAS BEEN PASSING ON IN THE LAST, UH, PRACTICALLY COUPLE WEEKS, ALL THE WOOD THAT THEY HAVE PUTTING THERE, THEY'RE ALL JUST WARPING. 
          AND THEN, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE, WE TRY TO, THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING A MOTION TO APPROVE YES MA'AM, EVERYTHING BUT ITEM THREE THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AND THE COURT PORT, IT'S COMING BACK ANYWAYS. 
          I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAT WE REMOVED THE COURT PORT. 
          WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IS LIKE, AND JUST NOT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IS, I'M NOT SURE A CONCEPTUAL HERE IS ANY BENEFIT. 
          AND I DON'T EVEN THINK WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING C A THAT IS CORRECT. 
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UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S REASONABLE. 
          COMMISSIONER GROUP, I, I JUST CUT READING A LITTLE BIT INTO A FEW OTHER THINGS, BUT AT, AT THE VERY, AT THE VERY, UM, UH, LEAST THE, AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. 
          I, I THINK THAT'S VERY REASON. 
          HEAR FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FIRST. 
          WELL, UM, CHAIRMAN, I'D, I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN AND ONCE AGAIN, I, I APOLOGIZE FOR GIVING COMMENTARY WHEN I WAS ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          IT JUST SOMETIMES ONE LEADS TO THE OTHER. 
          UM, AND, AND I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY IN THE, IN THE THIRD DIMENSION THAT NEEDS THE SHAPING. 
          I THINK THE, EVEN THE CARPORT'S NOT THAT PROBLEMATIC 'CAUSE IT IS PUSHED FAIRLY FAR BACK ON THE SITE. 
          AND, UH, TO, UH, COMMISSIONER GROUP'S, UH, POINT IT REALLY, THEN IT COMES DOWN. 
          I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT ITEM THREE IS THE, IS THE, UH, THE ELEMENT TO BE FOCUSED ON. 
          AND I THINK STAFF'S, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GOOD HERE. 
          SO I WOULD SUPPORT HER AMENDMENT IF THAT, IF THAT WAS INDEED A FORMAL AMENDMENT TO, TO GIVE, UH, APPROVAL FOR THE OTHER ITEMS. BUT, UH, TO HOLD BACK ON ITEM THREE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. 
          SO COMMISSIONER GRU, ARE YOU MAKING AN AMENDED MOTION? SO I'LL MAKE A, AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. 
          I WOULD SAY, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL ITEM. 
          CAN WE CLARIFY IF IT'S, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT AMENDING THE MOTION, THE SEXUAL APPROVAL, IT'S A DIFFERENT MOTION. 
          IT IS A NEW MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN MAKE YOUR SUBSTITUTE OR OTHER MOTION. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY, TECHNICAL WORD. 
          SO IT IS A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I MEAN, HOW IT WOULD WORK IS WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSION AND THERE COULD BE AMENDMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS TO SORT OF PERFECT EACH MOTION THAT'S OUT THERE. 
          UM, WE WOULD TAKE ACTION ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION FIRST, AND IF THAT ONE WERE TO PASS, THEN THAT JUST BECOMES THE ACTION OF THE COMMISSION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'S CLEANER IF WE DO A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          SO MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 1, 2, 4, AND SIX WITH STIPULATION 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. 
          AND I'M NOT GONNA NOT RECOMMEND ITEM THREE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA, WHAT DO YOU SAY CONCEPTUALLY APPROVE ITEM THREE OR I'LL LET THE APPLICANT COME BACK WITH AN OPTION FOR ITEM THREE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GIVE A DENIAL ON ITEM THREE. 
          I'LL, I'LL SECOND IT. 
          UH, CLARIFICATION. 
          UH, DOES THAT INCLUDE ITEM FIVE? YES. 
          FOUR THROUGH SIX. 
          1, 2, 4, 5, 6. 
          WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. 
          WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR. 
          ONE THROUGH FOUR. 
          AND WE HAVE A SECOND? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER GROUP, I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, THE, THAT WAS THE HANGUP THAT I HAD WAS THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND AGAIN, IT'S THE ACCESSORY ASPECT OR THE, UH, SECONDARY ASPECT OF THE ROOF THAT SHOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH AN ADDITION. 
          IT'S THE ADDITION. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD, UH, SUPPORT THE MOTION . 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR? MAY I? YES, SIR. 
          MAY I JUST ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT THAT, UH, IN, IN PLAIN ENGLISH FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUT I SUPPOSED TO DO, BASICALLY, I THINK YOU AND YOUR ARCHITECT CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT A GOOD PROPOSAL FOR THIS. 
          ITEM THREE, WHICH IS LIKE, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE SLOPE GOING FROM WHATEVER IT WAS BEFORE TO WHAT IT IS NOW. 
          IT'S A VERY STEEP SLOPE. 
          IT CHANGES THE DESIGN. 
          WE ALREADY HAD APPROVED THE FURTHEST MAYBE WITH YOUR ARCHITECT COME BACK AND COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO WHAT WAS APPROVED INITIALLY OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          MAY I, SO ITEMS YOUR APPLICATION WAS FOR APPROVAL OF THREE INFILL WINDOWS AND ADD FOUR WINDOWS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. 
          INSTALL EIGHT WINDOWS TO THE REAR ADDITION MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF FORM OF THE ADDITION REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF THE SIDING, UH, REPLACEMENT OF ALL ALUMINUM AND VINYL WINDOWS WITH ALUMINUM CLAD AND INSTALL THE TWO CAR CARPORT. 
          SO ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, AND SIX WITH SEVERAL STAFF STIPULATIONS, CLARIFICATIONS, RIGHT, IS PART OF THE MOTION. 
          SO THEN IT'D BE ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE LOCATION OF THE ROOF. 
          UM, ROOF 
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FORM OF THE ADDITION WILL COME BACK TO US AFTER YOU, UH, DEVELOP THAT WITH COMMENTS. 
          UH, BUT HE STILL HAS THE PREVIOUS PLAN APPROVED. 
          YES. 
          MR. CHAIR, I ASK THE SLOPE IS QUESTION AND COMMENT IN ONE. 
          UM, THIS WOULD NOT PRECLUDE HIM FROM COMING BACK WITH ANOTHER ROOF FORM, WOULD IT? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED TO ENTERTAIN OTHER ROOF FORMS THAT WOULD ACHIEVE WELL, THE, THE ROOF FORM THAT WE HAVE NOW IS PRECISELY, WAS BASED ON THE PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. 
          SO THE, THE, THE SURE THE SLOPE OF IT IS SLIGHTLY, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S DRASTICALLY HIGHER. 
          AND AS I SAID, THAT'S JUST BASICALLY THE, THE, THE WHOLE ISSUE, THE ISSUE AND THE REASON THAT THEY DID THAT, THE CONTRACTOR DID THAT BECAUSE BE ABLE TO PASS THE AIR DOCK AND ALSO BEING ABLE TO CREATE THE SLOPE THAT THEY NEED FOR SHINGLES. 
          AND FRANKLY, THE EXPENDITURE OF IT THAT I HAVE DONE SO FAR IS HONESTLY IS PUTTING A LOT OF BURDEN ON US. 
          SO FOR ME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE OTHERWISE, SO I'M MORE THAN WELCOME HAVE THEY COME VISIT THE HOUSE SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THE SLOPE WE ARE SAYING. 
          BUT FOR ME TO GO REDO THAT, THAT'S FRANKLY IT'S TAKING ALL OF OUR SAVING. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M QUESTIONING IS NOT THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE SLOPE WAS IN A WAY THAT IT WAS A BURDEN TO THE EYE, I UNDERSTAND THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW, FRANKLY, THEY STOPPED THE WORKING AND THEN IS EVERYTHING IS GETTING MORE DAMAGE AND IT'S JUST, I'M BACKTRACKING RATHER THAN GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, UH, AS MY OPINION, UH, MY REQUEST TO THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONERS IS JUST, UH, RESPECTFULLY IF THEY CAN REVIEW THAT AND THEY CAN SEE THAT BASED ON THE DRAWING, IT LOOKS, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE ARCHITECT PROBABLY ON THE, THE PROPOSAL, THE NEW DRAWING THAT HE SENT, HE MADE A MISTAKE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE SLOPE SHOWS, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T SHOW FROM OUTSIDE AND ALSO IS NOT TAN, UH, IS NOT THAT, UH, AGGRESSIVE FROM, FROM ANY ANGLE THAT YOU LOOK AT IT. 
          AND THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOW THAT WE WERE SUGGESTING IS PRECISELY BASED ON THE WINDOW THAT IT WAS THERE. 
          MR. CHAIR, CAN WE ASK STAFF TO, TO PUT PAGE 14 ON THE SCREEN AND THEN ZOOM IN ON THE TOP RIGHT HAND IMAGE, SEE THAT, THAT, UH, ONLY, ONLY THE TOP RIGHT HAND IMAGE, CORRECT? THAT THAT COMMISSIONERS, THAT THAT SLOPE THAT IS WRONG DRAWING. 
          THAT THAT IS NOT CORRECT. 
          AND THEN THE ARCHITECT CORRECTED WITH MR. MORALES, THAT SLOPE DOESN'T EXIST. 
          YOU DON'T, THAT SLOPE IS LOWER THAN THE, THE ROOF BEHIND IT. 
          SO IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU DON'T SEE THE ROOF ON THE LATE SUBMISSION DRAWINGS. 
          WHAT IS WELL 'CAUSE YEAH, THAT, THAT ANSWERS A LOT. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST TO OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THIS DRAWING. 
          YEAH, THIS DRAWING IS WRONG BECAUSE THIS DRAWING, AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE MENTIONED EMAILS TO MR. MORALES THAT DRAWING IS A TWO DIMENSION. 
          THIS IS CORRECT. 
          I MEAN THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS. 
          NOW THAT'S THE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE, CAN WE GO? YES, MA'AM. 
          WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE YEAH, SPEAK. 
          YEAH. 
          IN FACT, I HAVE A PICTURE BECAUSE WE CHECKED THAT, THAT CANNOT SHOW. 
          SO WE TOOK, I DID RIGHT AWAY I WENT MY MA'AM, GO TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS MY WIFE LOURD ANI MR COM. 
          SO I DO HAVE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I JUST RECALLED, I I DO HAVE, UH, QUITE A FEW PICTURES. 
          MANY PICTURES. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. 
          . 
          UH, I, WE DO HAVE, UH, PICTURES THAT I TOOK FROM THE HOUSE AND THEN, AND I HAVE SOME MORE HERE THAT YOU CAN SEE. 
          THEY, THAT THEY HAVE NO SHOW THE WINDOW. 
          NEW ONE OVER THERE SHOW SHOWING YOUR PHONE TOO. 
          YES. 
          SO THIS IS LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT'S ALREADY, ALREADY IN THE BACK. 
          ALREADY HAVE THAT AND FROM THE FRONT DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING. 
          AND THE SLOPE IS NOT WHAT, WHAT HE HAS IN DRAWING. 
          AND I DO HAVE ALSO PICTURE ON THE OTHER ANGLE OF A FAMILY. 
          WELL, DOESN'T, DOESN'T SHOW AT ALL FROM THE FRONT. 
          THAT WAS THE KITCHEN. 
          WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BAG IS THE KITCHEN. 
          DO WE HAVE A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE FRAMING OF THE ADDITION 
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BACKYARD? AND IF YOU SEE THE CEILING IS EVEN TALLER THAN THE ONE IN THE BACK. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE WAS EXPLAINING. 
          YOU SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          I'M SORRY MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE SUBSTITUTE. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU SEE THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IN THE FRONT IS TALLER THAN THE BACK. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT? YOU ORDER WHAT MEAN? SORRY, FROM THE FRONT YOU DON'T SEE IT. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S THE CONTINUATION OF THE MR CHAIR. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, BEFORE WE GET THERE, IF IT'S ALLOWED MR. CHAIR TO AMEN. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS, THIS IS NOT A RIGHT ANGLE BECAUSE I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHOW UNDER, BUT IF YOU TAKE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSE LIKE THIS, THAT ROOF IS ACTUALLY LOWER THAN IT MAY, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE VISUAL FROM THE STREET. 
          YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT. 
          SO, SO PLEASE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THERE WAS A ROLL CALL FOR A VOTE MR. CHAIR FOR VOTE FAILS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE AS PROTOCOL. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE A MOTION, A SUBSTITUTE MOTION AND A SECOND AND HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          GIBBS. 
          AYE FISH GO ON. 
          OH, I DIDN'T SEE HIM LEAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SAVINA, AYE VELASQUEZ, UM, I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT WE'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING A MOTION ON WHAT WE KNOW FROM THE DRAWINGS, BUT IT CONTRADICTS WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE SCREEN. 
          SO I, I I WANT TO BE ACCURATE IN, IN THE VOTE. 
          THE VOTE IS WHAT THE SUBSTITUTION MOTION IS. 
          AS IS STATED, WE CANNOT APPROVE SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM A CELL PHONE PHOTO, THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION CONCEPTUAL OF THE ADDITION, AND THEN WE WILL GET CLARIFICATION ON THE ACTUAL SLOPE AND THAT WILL COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL. 
          THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION WAS FOR THE C OF A WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS FOR ITEMS 1, 2, 4, 5, AND SIX FOUR. 
          YEP. 
          AND, AND COME BACK WITH AND COME BACK WITH, UH, CLARIFICATION ON ITEM THREE. 
          OKAY THEN. 
          AND SO TO CLARIFY, BEFORE WE CONTINUE WITH, WITH THE ROLL CALL, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE FRONT. 
          SO THE APPLICANT WILL GET WITH STAFF, UPDATE THE DRAWINGS, MAKE THEM CORRECT, AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK AND, AND WE'LL GO ACCORDINGLY. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          WHATEVER I CHOOSE TO, THAT'S FINE. 
          I CAN HAVE THE ARCHITECT CORRECTED DRAWING. 
          YEAH, BUT, BUT IF THEY'RE ALREADY BUILDING IT, WE WERE DOING ROLL CALL. 
          I MEAN IF IT'S ALREADY ROLL CALL. 
          OKAY. 
          VELASQUEZ, DID YOU HAVE A VOTE? UH, MY ABSTAIN MASUKA. 
          AYE. 
          CARPENTER AYE GROUP. 
          AYE. 
          CERVANTES. 
          YES. 
          FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO IF YOU'LL GET WITH STAFF TO CLARIFY ALL THIS FOR YOU AND, UH, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE, UH, UPDATED INFORMATION ON THE, THE ROOF. 
          AND FRANKLY I THINK IT'S BETTER PHOTO DOCUMENTATION AND CONFIRMATION FROM EITHER THE CONTRACTOR OR THE ARCHITECT OF THE CONSTRUCTED SLOPE. 
          'CAUSE WOULD THAT, WOULD, I FRANKLY, THE PHOTO LOOKS LIKE IT'S BETWEEN THESE TWO DRAWINGS. 
          IT DOESN'T QUITE LOOK AS STEEP AS THAT ONE, BUT IT IS STEEPER THAN THE OTHER ONE. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE WOULD I BE ABLE TO, I I, I'LL PRESENT THAT TO HIM AND WOULD I BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WAY HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE THIS. 
          I I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WE CAN GET YOU TO HERE ON THE 17TH. 
          YES SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          AGENDA ITEM 14. 
          AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 29 7 31 NORTH PINE STREET. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO REPLACE THE EXISTING WOOD SKIRTING WITH STUCCO STAFF. 
          DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE STUCCO BE REPLACED WITH MATCHING WOOD SIDING OR A HARDY MATERIAL THAT FEATURES A SIMILAR PROFILE AND DIMENSION AS THE WOOD SIDING ON THE HOUSE. 
          THE HOMEOWNER, MARIBEL SOLIS IS HERE IN PERSON. 
          THERE IS ONE LETTER AND ONE VOICEMAIL FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, TAKING YOUR TIME TO LISTEN TO ME. 
          UM, MY NAME'S MARIBEL SOLI. 
          I JUST BOUGHT THIS HOME ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          UM, 
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SO I BOUGHT THIS HOME AND, UM, THE FOUNDATION NEEDED TO BE FIXED. 
          UM, SO I DID CONTRACT THE PEOPLE AND UM, THEY DID THE FOUNDATION AND I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, EXCITED ABOUT IT, MAKING SURE THEY DID EVERYTHING COMPLIANT. 
          UM, WHEN I ACTUALLY WAS MAKING MY FINAL PAYMENT, I MADE MY FINAL PAYMENT. 
          UM, THE GUY CALLS ME BACK AND HE TELLS ME, MARIBEL, YOUR YOUR CHECK BOUNCED. 
          AND, UM, I WAS LIKE, OH, I'M SO SORRY, I FORGOT TO TRANSFER MONEY INTO MY CHECKING ACCOUNT. 
          BUT THEN HE ALSO TOLD ME, I GOT A LETTER FROM THE CITY STATING THAT WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE SIDING TO THE PANELS. 
          AND I TOLD HIM, I WAS LIKE, I, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT AND HE ASSURED ME THAT EVERYTHING WAS UNDER COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, SO THEN IT WASN'T UNDER COMPLIANCE, SO I TOLD HIM I WAS NOT GONNA GIVE HIM THE FINAL PAYMENT. 
          SO I HELD MY FINAL PAYMENT. 
          I STILL HAVEN'T GIVEN HIM MY FINAL PAYMENT UNTIL I TOLD HIM, UNTIL YOU FIX, YOU KNOW, WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. 
          I DID WANNA COME TO MEET WITH ALL OF YOU GUYS BECAUSE I DO FEEL THAT HAVING A CEMENT SIDING IS MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE BUILDING BEING THAT THERE IS SO MUCH RAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IT'S JUST A LOT MORE STURDIER. 
          IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT I CAN KEEP IT, MAYBE MAKE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE I PAINT IT THE SAME COLOR. 
          I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU GUYS WOULD ADVICE THAT I DO, I CAN DO. 
          IF IT'S NOT A POSSIBILITY, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND I WILL HAVE THEM CHANGE IT OVER TO, TO THE SIGHTING. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND WE HAVE A VOICEMAIL. 
          HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTES AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITHIN DIGNITY HILL. 
          I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 29 LOCATED AT 7 31 NORTH PINE. 
          WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE HOMEOWNER REMOVE THE INSTALLED STUCCO SKIRTING AND REPLACE IT WITH WOOD SKIRTING THAT WAS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. 
          CONSIDERING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD ALREADY BEEN INFORMED THAT THE SKIRTING MUST BE RETURNED TO ITS PREVIOUS CONDITION AS EARLY AS JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR WHY THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE AND WHY IT WAS NOT DONE. 
          AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED FOR NOT FOLLOWING GUIDELINES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND SO, UM, REGARDING THIS MESSAGE, UM, HONESTLY, I WAS NOT AWARE. 
          I JUST FILED WITH, YOU KNOW, I, I GOT THE CONTRACTORS TO DO IT AND THEY TOLD ME IT WAS GONNA BE COMPLIANT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I KNEW. 
          I GOT THE APPROVAL, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE JANUARY 23RD, THAT'S WHEN WE CLOSED. 
          AND RIGHT AWAY I CALLED THEM, I WAS LIKE, PLEASE GO, YOU KNOW, GET THE APPROVAL. 
          SO THEY APPROVED IT ON THE THIRD OF, OF, UM, FEBRUARY. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHEN I GOT, UM, THE MESSAGE. 
          AND, UM, BUT I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK THAT I DON'T WANNA BE COMPLIANT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED ME TO DO, I WILL DO. 
          I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT NOT BEING COMPLIANT. 
          WE DIDN'T DO THE FOUNDATION OR THEY DIDN'T FINISH THE FOUNDATION AND PUT THE, THE, UM, CONCRETE AROUND IT UNTIL PROBABLY END OF FEBRUARY. 
          THAT'S WHEN THEY DID IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THEY FINISHED IT END OF FEBRUARY, SO NOBODY, YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT TOLD NOT TO DO IT. 
          IT WAS ON, ON THE, UM, ON THE APPROVAL. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS MY MISTAKE FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING. 
          I JUST WAS HAPPY THAT I GOT AN APPROVAL THEY COULD START. 
          BUT NOW I'M GLAD I CAME TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE VERY THOROUGH ON WHAT I SUBMIT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GET IT DONE THE, THE FIRST TIME AND PROBABLY GO WITH THE STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY APPROVE IT BEFORE I ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME, YOU KNOW, TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , FORTUNATELY YOU'VE, YOU'VE HELD THE MONEY FROM THE CONTRACTOR. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU CAN GET A REMEDY. 
          YES. 
          UM, QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          IS A CONTRACTOR WILLING TO FIX IT FOR YOU? HE IS WILLING TO FIX IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          HE, WE JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR US TO KEEP THE CEMENT, BUT IF NOT, IT'S, IT'S OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, I WOULD BE READY TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION IF I MAY. 
          SURE. 
          COMMISSIONER SANTE. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE CERVANTES ALSO GO AHEAD. 
          COMMISSIONER SANTES. 
          YES, YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          JUST VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS AND I'M, LOOK, I'M LOOKING JUST FOR THE GENERAL ROOM FOR THIS QUESTION TO MY EXPERTS ON THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONER CERVANTES. 
          CAN, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR CAMERA FOR US PLEASE? SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW ABOUT NOW? OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE MATERIAL, 
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UM, THAT'S ON THERE NOW? THIS GETS THROWN AWAY, GETS, IS THAT NOT REUSABLE? IS IT JUST WASTED? WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES UP? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE OUTCOME. 
          AND SO IF THERE WAS AN OUTCOME TO USE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, THEN, THEN ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIAL THAT WAS REMOVED FOR THE SKIRTING INSTALLATION? I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HARDING MATERIAL THAT WAS USED. 
          THAT'S ON THERE NOW, RIGHT? YOU BASIC IT WITH WOOD. 
          WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THE MATERIAL THAT'S ON THERE NOW? ACTUALLY, WHAT, WHAT'S ON THERE NOW IS STUCCO AND THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE STUCCO BE REMOVED AND EITHER GO BACK WITH WOOD, WHICH WAS THERE ORIGINALLY, OR USE THE HARDY CEMENT SIDING. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO THE STUCCO WOULD BE WAY, IF, IF THEY NEED TO GET THE, IF IT PASSES IT, UH, THAT'S THE, UH, ACTION OF THE COMMISSION, THEN THE CONTRACTOR WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH A CONSTRUCTION METHOD, POSSIBLY REMOVING THE STUCCO IN ORDER TO APPLY OR INSTALL THE EITHER WOOD OR HARDY CEMENT, UH, SIDING. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          SO I HAD A QUESTION ALSO. 
          YES. 
          IS THIS JUST ABOUT THE SKIRTING? YES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ACTUALLY THE CHAIRMAN HIT UPON SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO ASK STAFF ABOUT. 
          IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE STUCCO SKIRTING THE NON-COMPLIANCE STUCCO SKIRTING BE FACED OUT WITH, UM, HARDY SO IT DOESN'T, DIDN'T HAVE TO BE REMOVED, IT'D BE A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE RATHER THAN HAVE THE TEAR OUT? OR WOULD THAT THAT ALTER THE, THE DETAIL THERE TOO SIGNIFICANTLY? WAS THAT DISCUSSED AMONGST YOU ALL? IT HAS HAPPENED IN AT LEAST ONE OTHER CASE WHERE THAT WAS AN, AN APPROVED SOLUTION. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE SIDING WOULD END UP BEING IN THE SAME PLANE AS THE REST OF THE HOUSE. 
          AND SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT I DUNNO. 
          SO POTENTIALLY IF THE, UM, MS. SISE AND HER CONTRACTOR CAME UP WITH A DETAIL TO, UM, LEAVE THE STUCCO AND EITHER REPLACE IT WITH, REPLACE OR FACE THE STUCCO WITH WOOD OR, UM, HARDY CEMENT SIDING COME UP WITH A DETAIL FOR THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING SIDING AND THE NEW SKIRT, UH, THAT COULD BE REVIEWED BY STAFF POTENTIALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SINA? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT TO APPROVE STAFF'S FINDINGS FOR ITEM C AND, UM, WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE STUCCO BE REPLACED WITH A MATCHING WOOD SIDING OR HARDY MATERIAL AND A TRIM OR WATER TABLE TRIM CAN BE USED TO AMELIORATE A PLANE PLAN OR CHANGE TO TRANSITION A TRANSITION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YES, AND TO EXPLAIN IT'S, IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY BACK THERE, THE CEMENT OR NOT, IT'S ABOUT A CONTINUATION OF THE MATERIAL ABOUT WOOD. 
          SO WE NEED A SECOND FIRST. 
          I GOT HE SECOND. 
          YES. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          IT'S ABOUT A CON. 
          IT'S ABOUT A CONTINUATION OF THE MATERIAL OF THAT WOOD LOOK. 
          SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLACE THAT HARDY MATERIAL OR THE WOOD DIRECTLY OVER THE CEMENT. 
          AND BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OFFSET, A WATER TABLE BOARD WHICH IS COMMONLY SEEN IN, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION. 
          AND IT GOES TO THE, TO THE, THE THOUGHTS THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAD THAT, UM, YOUR CONTRACTOR WOULD WORK WITH YOU AND PERHAPS STAFF MM-HMM. 
           TO COME UP WITH AN ACCEPTABLE DETAIL FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF COVERING AS LONG AS IT'S THE SMOOTH SIDE OF THE CEMENT BOARD. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU, GIBBS. 
          AYE, SINO? AYE. 
          VELASQUEZ? AYE. 
          MASUKA? AYE. 
          CARPENTER. 
          AYE GROUP? AYE. 
          CERVANTES? YES. 
          AND FETZER. 
          AYE. 
          MOTION CARRIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU ALL OF YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT IS OUR LAST CASE. 
          WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE.
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