* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] I [3:00 P.M. – Call to Order] HAD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION FOR WEDNESDAY, MAY 17TH. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS FISH. HERE. SAVINO. HERE. VELASQUEZ HERE. ZUKA HERE. CARPENTER HERE. GRUB HERE. CERVANTES. HERE. BAKER HERE. FETZER HERE. UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UM, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENT REGARDING INTERPRETIVE SERVICES AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING. IF I COULD PLEASE HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS COME UP AND, UM, PROVIDE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO THOSE HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT, THE HISTORIC AND DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION IS AN ADVISORY. I'M JEFFREY CHAIRMAN VICE. IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE ADVISEMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS. CHAIRMAN FETZER, CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOUR, UM, LIGHT IS STAYING ON THE WHOLE TIME ON YOUR MICROPHONE. SEEMS TO BE COMING IN AND OUT. MIGHT TRY ANOTHER ONE. LEMME TRY. NOW IT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE COMMISSION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AND ALL RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS CONCERNING ALL APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS FOR PROPERTIES IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, FOR LANDMARKS ON CITY PROPERTY AND IN THE RIVER IMPROVEMENT OVERLAY. AND FOR DEMOLITIONS. IN CONSIDERING WHETHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE COMMISSION SHALL BE GUIDED BY THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AND DESIGN GUIDELINES AND STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL OF A DECISION BY AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIAL CAN BE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. IF ANYONE PRESENT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO ANY ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA, PLEASE SIGN UP ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHEET. IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SIGN UP. IF YOU ARE THE OWNER OF OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A PROJECT ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL BE CALLED ON AS THE CASE IS CALLED. CASE REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE GIVEN NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH AN ADDITIONAL TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. SPEAKERS FOUR OR OPPOSED TO A CASE WILL BE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES. EACH SPEAKERS MAY ALSO SIGN UP TO YIELD THEIR TWO MINUTES TO ANOTHER SPEAKER WHO HAS SIGNED UP. ANYONE WHO IS YIELDING THEIR TIME MUST BE PRESENT AT THE TIME THE SPEAKER IS CALLED UPON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY ARE SIGNED UP FOLLOWING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. ANY COMMISSIONER MAY CALL UPON ANY SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO FURTHER QUESTIONS. APPROVAL BY THE COMMISSION DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF ANY TYPE OF PERMIT. PERMITS MUST BE OBTAINED FOR ALL WORK. CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR WORK APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION WILL BE EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. NO WORK OF ANY TYPE IS TO BE STARTED WITHOUT OBTAINING THE APPROPRIATE CITY PERMITS. AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AT THIS TIME, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE DO HAVE A BRIEF STAFF ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, WE HAVE A NEW HIRE, MEGAN LOZANO. MEGAN, RAISE YOUR HAND. UM, SHE IS OUR NEW MANAGEMENT ANALYST. UM, AND EVENTUALLY SHE WILL BECOME THE LIAISON TO THE COMMISSION. SHE'S STILL VERY NEW, AND SO, UM, SHE'S HERE WATCHING, UM, AND WE WELCOME HER. UM, SO THANK YOU MEGAN FOR BEING HERE. UM, AND THEN WITH THAT WE CAN GET INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS. YES. OKAY. UM, SO ON [CONSENT AGENDA Items are placed on the consent agenda when staff recommends approval or recommends approval with stipulations that the applicant agrees to. Any member of the public desiring to speak on a consent agenda item may sign up and be heard prior to voting on the consent agenda. Commissioners may request to remove any item from the consent agenda and have it placed on the individual consideration agenda. All items on the consent agenda will be considered for approval by one motion adopting the items with staff findings and recommendations.  ] THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 17 ITEMS LISTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, PLEASE NOTE THAT ITEM 17 WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY. THAT REQUEST HAS BEEN, UM, PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS STIPULATIONS. UM, SO LET'S MOVE ON. WE HAVE SEVERAL VOICEMAILS AS, AS WELL AS AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR AN ITEM. SO LET'S HEAR VOICEMAILS FOR ITEM THREE. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIGNITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 68, LOCATED AT NINE 15 EAST CROCKETT STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. CAN H D R C BOARD RECEIVE VERBAL CONFIRMATION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE SMOOTH SIDE OF THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL SHOULD FACE OUTWARD AND NOT THE FULL WOOD GRAIN SIDE OF THE MATERIAL? THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE [00:05:01] AN IN-PERSON SPEAKER FOR ITEM FOUR. UM, WE HAVE CHRIS VIDAL. ARE YOU HERE? OKAY, GO, GO AHEAD AND COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. UM, AND CHRIS JOYCE, ARE YOU HERE? IT'S SUSTAINMENT. OH, OKAY. SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. YES. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED, UM, FOR 15 YEARS ON MAY STREET. IT IS AN ALLEYWAY, NOT A FULL STREET, WHICH IS HALF THE SIZE OF ANY STREET. UM, THE PROP, IT'S BEEN PROPOSED THAT A TWO STORY IS GOING UP AT 1 1 8 MAY STREET, ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE I LIVE. ALL THE HOUSES IN THIS AREA ARE ONE STORY. THERE ARE SIX HOUSES THAT ARE ALL ONE STORY. WE ARE A 1955 A YEAR, AND THE OTHERS I THINK ARE OLDER. THE, THE, UH, ALLEYWAY HAS A REAL COUNTRY FEEL. A LOT OF VERY LARGE TREES IN THE LOTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS ONE OF THREE. UH, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE A STAMP LOT. UM, EVEN THE, UH, EROSION OF WHERE THE SIDEWALK SHOULD BE A SIDEWALK THERE IS NOT. SO THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE FRONTAGE FOR THESE PROPERTIES. UM, EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT USED TO THIS. UH, WE'VE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY. UM, WE CONSIDER THIS OUR HOME AND IT IS OUR HOMESTEAD. AND, UH, I'M, I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S OUT OF CHARACTER IS THE EXPRESSION THAT THEY WOULD BE PUTTING A TWO STORY ON SUCH TINY LOTS WITH VERY SMALL ALLEYWAY. UM, IT WOULD TAKE THE CHARACTER AWAY OF A COUNTRY FIELD, WHICH REALLY DOES HAVE, IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE HOUSTON STREET, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE THE PARALLEL TO HOUSTON. SO I AM OPPOSED TO HIS TWO STORY, UM, HOUSES ON THESE VERY STAMPED SMALL LOTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND A VOICEMAIL. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP CONCERNED CITIZENS OF NUITY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 64, LOCATED AT ONE 18 MAY STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS. CAN THE H D R C BOARD RECEIVE VERBAL CONFIRMATION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY THE SMOOTH SIDE OF THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL SHOULD FACE OUTWARD AND NOT THE FULL WOOD GRAIN SIDE OF THE MATERIAL? THANK YOU. FROM FIVE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY VIC, 1 0 7 KING WILLIAM. THIS IS IN REGARDS TO ITEM FIVE, 300 ALAMO PLAZA. THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS SEVERAL CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION AND LANDSCAPE HARDSCAPE FOR PLAZA DE VALERO AND ALAMO PLAZA. VISUALLY, WITH THE PROPOSED EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING AND NEW CONSTRUCTION VISITORS ARRIVING IN ALAMO PLAZA FROM THE SOUTH WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE ALAMO CHAPEL NEGATING THEIR SENSE OF ARRIVAL. ADDITIONALLY, THE INTRODUCTION OF NUMEROUS STRUCTURES ON ALAMO PLAZA, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED MODERN CANOPY PAVILION, ALONG WITH A RECENT CONSTRUCTION OF THE SOUTHWEST RAMPART. THE SOUTHGATE AND LUNETTE, IN OUR VIEW, DETRACTS FROM THE GOAL OF CREATING A SENSE OF REVERENCE AT THE HISTORIC SITE, A CONCEPT WHICH HAS BEEN PROMOTED FOR ALAMO PLAZA FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS. LASTLY, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ARE NOT BEING PRESENTED TO THE HISTORIC DESIGN AND REVIEW COMMISSION AS A COHESIVE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT THE COMPONENTS ARE EMERGING SEPARATELY, MONTH BY MONTH AND YEAR BY YEAR WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION OR THE PUBLIC TO ASSESS THEIR CUMULATIVE EFFECT. AND OUR VIEW, THE OVERALL EFFECT IS AT CROSS PURPOSES TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF CREATING A PLACE OF REVERENCE SHOWCASING THE AUTHENTIC HISTORIC STRUCTURES ON SITE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE COMMENTS WE HAVE ON CONSENT. OKAY. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANY FOR, UH, DISCUSSION? YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO PULL THAT. THE, UH, ALAMO PLAZA. MR. COMMISSIONER? I WOULD, UM, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ITEM NUMBER FOUR. OKAY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WILL, UH, I'M RECUSING. OH, YES. I I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. YES, SIR. UH, THAT'S ON CASE NUMBER 15 WEST COMMERCE. IT'S THE PUBLIC ART PROJECT AT MILAM PARK. [00:10:01] AND I JUST WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE ARTISTS WHO ARE VYING FOR, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A MURAL, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF THE FACT MADE, AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS SACRED GROUND. THIS IS A PLACE WHERE NATIVE AMERICANS ARE BURIED AND EARLY CITIZENS OF SAN ANTONIO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO CHAIRMAN FETZER IS RECUSING. HE HAS A COUPLE OF RECUSALS ON CONSENT. SO HE HAS OPTED JUST TO RECUSE FROM THE FULL CONSENT ITEM OR AGENDA ITEM. UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER, UH, CASES TO BE PULLED FOR, UH, CONSENT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. MI MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A MOTION, UH, UH, FOR THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE, UH, REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS FISH. AYE. A FISH. AYE. SAVINA AYE. AYE. VELASQUEZ. AYE. ZUKA. AYE. GRO. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. IF YOU'RE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND YOUR ADDRESS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AT NOLAN IN NORTH MESQUITE FOUR 19 FLORIDA, NINE 15 EAST CARSON 1 0 1 NEWELL 10 12 WEST MULBERRY, 5 27 HAYES, 10 0 3 SOUTH NEW BRAUNFELS, 5 0 5 EAST TRAVIS, 5 0 6 EAST EVERGREEN, 1402 FULTON THREE 20 MADISON, TWO 12 SOUTH FLORES, UH, MILAM PARK AND EIGHT 14 LAMAR STREET. YOUR CASE HAS BEEN APPROVED AND YOU DO NOT NEED TO STAY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE CONTACT A MEMBER OF STAFF. YOUR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR COMMISSION ACTION LETTER WILL BE PREPARED AND EMAILED TO YOU WITHIN 10 DAYS. JEFF? ONE, [INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION  ] UH, ITEM NUMBER 4 1 18 MAY, UH, THE APPLICANT, ADRIANA ZIGA, UH, IS HERE VIRTUALLY ADRIANA, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. THERE WE GO. ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE. OKAY. THIS IS ADRIANA ZIGA WITH ZIGA ARCHITECTURE STUDIO. AND, UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST GO OVER THE HEIGHT, UM, ISSUE. SINCE THAT EVERYTHING ELSE, UH, WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SO FIRST I DO WANNA CLARIFY THAT IT IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY STRUCTURE. IT'S NOT A TWO FULL STORIES. UM, THE TWO DORMERS ON THE SIDE ACTUALLY ALLOW FOR THE, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE AT TO BE USABLE SPACE. UM, SO MAY STREET IS, IT BEHAVES VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AS AN ALLEY. THERE'S FOUR HOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAY, THAT FACE MAY STREET. AND THEN, UM, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE EXCEPT FOR ONE FACE, HOUSTON STREET. UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL TWO STORY STRUCTURES ALONG, UM, THE SIDE ALLEYS, WHICH IS THE ALLEY AND ALLEY. AND THERE'S ALSO A VERY SIMILAR SHAPED ONE AND A HALF STORY STRUCTURE THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON MAY STREET. UM, I DO WANNA COMMENT ON THE LOT SIZE. SO IF, UM, THIS IS A VERY SPOT, IT'S ONLY 40 FEET WIDE BY SEVEN FEET WIDE. WE HAVE A 10 FOOT VIEW SETBACK AND WE ALSO HAVE A 20 FEET SETBACK SO THAT WE CAN ALIGN TO THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT ARE ADJACENT. UM, ARE ACTUALLY, ARE USED TO GO BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE IS ONLY 840 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS REALLY THE SIZE OF, UM, LARGE STUDIO APARTMENT, OR VERY SMALL ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT. UM, IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE TO DESIGN A ONE STRUCTURE, UM, THAT'S THAT SMALL. IF WE CAN GO TO THE SETBACK DIAGRAM PLACE. SO IN HERE YOU CAN SEE THE, THE RELATIVE, THE STRUCTURE THAT [00:15:01] WE'RE SEEING COMPARED TO SOME OF THE ADJACENT HOUSES. THE TWO HOUSES ON THE, THOSE LOTS ARE ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET THAN OUR LOT IS. THOSE HOUSES ARE ALSO OCCUPYING THE WHOLE WIDTH OF THE LOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY. AND YOU CAN REALLY, IN TERMS OF SCALE, HOW THIS FITS WITHIN THIS VERY SMALL, VERY COMPACT. UM, CAN WE GO TO THE STREET ELEVATION PLEASE? SO THIS IS OUR STREET ELEVATION AND I THINK IT REALLY SHOWS HOW SMALL THIS BUILDING ACTUALLY IS. AND WHEN YOU HEAR THE TWO STORIES, IT SOUNDS SCARY. IT'S TWO STORIES, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT. WE WERE VERY CAREFUL AND WE WERE KEEPING IN MIND IN THE CONTEXT OF MAY STREET AND WE WANTED TO DESIGN SOMETHING THAT FIT WAS IN THE CONTEXT. AND I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED IT GRACE, UM, WITH US, WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS, ON THE STREET ELEVATION, THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE , IT'S NOT MUCH TALLER THAN HISTORIC HOUSES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT. UM, SO WE WOULD, UM, WE COULD REQUEST H D R C TO CONSIDER IN THEIR, UM, MOTION TO TAKE MR. CHAIR. UH, I WANTED TO COMMENT, UH, MS. ZIGA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLARIFYING SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS. I PULLED THIS CASE FOR THAT VERY REASON. I WANTED TO HEAR THE CONCEPT BEHIND THIS AND YOUR IDEAS BEHIND, UH, SIDING ON THIS VERY, VERY SMALL LOT. AND, UH, A STORY AND A HALF ACTUALLY DOES, UH, I THINK IS A GREAT, UM, INFILL PROJECT FOR A VERY MODEST RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AREA. AND, UH, A MODEST, UM, BLOCK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THE STORY AND A HALF UNITS AND THEY SEEM TO WORK QUITE WELL. UM, THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS OF CONCERN, UM, UH, I GUESS IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WAS ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION OF THE, UH, SMOOTH TEXTURE ON ALL OF THE CEMENT BOARD SIDING THAT YOU'LL BE USING. UH, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT MISS ZIKA? UM, YES. WE WILL BE USING SMOOTH SIDING THAT'S SPECIFIED ON OUR DRAWINGS. YES. THANK YOU. AND THE QUESTION I HAD IS, CAN YOU PLEASE CONFIRM THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS IS AT THE DRIVEWAY WHERE YOUR CAR PARK IS LOCATED, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FACE, THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR HOUSE, OF THE HOUSE, AND TO THE SIX FOOT TALL WOOD PRIVACY FENCE IN THE BACK. WHAT IS THAT DIMENSION? I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DIMENSION WITH ME, BUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20 TO 25 FEET. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. THAT, UM, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING SPACE FOR ONE VEHICLE SO WE AVOID FRONT YARD PARKING, UH, FOR THE PRIMARY VEHICLE. AND THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AND I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYONE ONLINE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REQUEST WITH STAFFS, ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS. RIGHT? WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. MOTION IS SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. GIBBS. AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINO. AYE. UH, VELASQUEZ HAS STEPPED OUT, I BELIEVE. ZUKA AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES CASE NUMBER FIVE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS, UH, 300 ALAMO PLAZA COMMISSIONERS. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL BE PRESENTING VIRTUALLY. YES. AND I'VE MADE ALLISON HARVEY A PANELIST. ALLISON, YOU'LL NEED TO UNMUTE. OKAY. YEAH, I'M HERE. GREAT, THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU JUST TELL US WHAT SIDE YOU WANT US TO BE ON. OKAY. UM, I WILL DO THAT. HELLO EVERYBODY. I AM ALLISON HARVEY WITH O J B LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. HOPEFULLY YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME. THERE'S [00:20:01] A LITTLE BIT OF A REVERBERATION ON ON THE AUDIO. UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE ARE PRESENTING THE, UM, ALAMO DISTRICT. THIS IS A PART OF A LARGER MASTER PLAN EFFORT THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO PRESENT ON THE EXECUTION OF PHASE TWO A AND TWO B AS INDICATED HERE IN THIS SITE PLAN. THAT INCLUDES THE MISSION GATE AND LUNETTE AREA AND PLAZA DE VALERO AREA. NEXT SLIDE. UM, SO PHASE TWO A AND TWO B, AND THIS DRAWING AN INTERIM CONDITION THAT'S OPENING ON THE 20TH OF MAY. AND IT INCLUDES THE APPROVED MISSION GATE AND APPROVED TEMPORARY LUNETTE, AS WELL AS THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC HERITAGE TREES IN LARGER TREE PITS TO ENSURE THEY REACH FULL MAJORITY. THE PROPOSAL IS ON THE RIGHT AND IS REFERRED TO AS THE FULL BUILD CONDITION. IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE ALAMOS. IT IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE THIS LAST JANUARY, AND IT CONSISTS IN PHASE TWO A, THE COMPLETION OF THE MISSION GATE AND AREA AND PRESERVATION OF TREES. AND IN PHASE TWO B , WHICH YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, WILL SHOW ENLARGEMENT OF, OH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME. THE, UM, THE DESIGN INTENT AND THE GOALS OF THE PROJECT IS TO FOCUS ON CREATING A FULLY ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITY SPACE THAT CREATES A STRONG SENSE OF ENTRY INTO THE L M O DISTRICT IS COMMUNITY, UM, PROVIDES COMMUNITY EVENT SPACE, A TWO-SIDED PAVILION, THE ONLY PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND LARGE FLEXIBLE LAWN. AND IT, THE INTENT IS TO MAINTAIN A CLEAR PATH FOR PARADES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AND TO SUPPORT EXISTING IN COMMERCIAL SERVICES WITH GROUP SEEDING ORNAMENTAL PLANTINGS, AND TO ENSURE HIGH VISIBILITY ACROSS THE ENTIRE PLAZA. NEXT, PLEASE. SO THIS IS AN AREA WITH SPECIFIC PROGRAM ELEMENTS WORKING FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, THE EXISTING TREES WITH NEW SEAT WALLS. THE MISSION GATE AND TEMPORARY IS TO BE COMPLETED AGAIN ON THE 20TH. UM, THE, UM, A TRANSPLANTED TREE WITHIN A LARGER, UM, PLANTED AREA, UM, AS WELL AS EXISTING TREES WITH, UH, PLANTED AREAS. AND THEN WITHIN PLAZA DI VALERO. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IT INCLUDES A, UM, DECK AND ONE SHADE STRUCTURE THAT'S ELEVATED, AND THEN A COMPLETELY LEVEL PLAZA THAT INCLUDES A LAWN WITH SHADED SEATING AND GATHERING AREAS. AND TO THE SOUTH, A TRANSPLANTED TREE THAT CAME FROM THE HISTORIC AREA. AND THEN THE CREATION OF A PROMENADE WAS SEATING THAT GOES, UH, NORTH SOUTH ALONG NORTH ALAMO STREET. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN, AMPLE CIRCULATION FEROCITY THROUGHOUT THE PLAZA SO THAT, UM, PEOPLE CAN WALK ACROSS THE PLAZA AND HAVE CLEAR VIEWS TO RE RETAIL SPACES AND HISTORIC ELEMENTS. NEXT SLIDE. THE, UM, DESIGN ALSO INCLUDES SEATING WITH GATHERING AREAS, UM, PERMANENT SEATING, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE VARIOUS CAPACITY AREAS FOR DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE HARDSCAPE STRATEGY IS PRIORITIZING A GENERATIONAL APPROACH. SO WE'RE, UM, LOOKING TO SPECIFY MATERIALS THAT FOCUS ON DURABILITY, LONGEVITY, MAINTENANCE, AGING AND REPAIRABILITY SO THAT THIS WILL LAST OVER 50 YEARS. THE INTENT QUALITATIVE FOR BE VERY WELCOMING TO FOCUS ON ACCESSIBLE MATERIALS THAT EVERYBODY CAN WORK ON, HIGH QUALITY MATERIALS THAT SUPPORT INTERPRETATION, AND TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE DISTINCTIVE FROM THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS THAT ARE ON SITE AS SO THAT THEY CANNOT BE CONFUSED WITH HISTORIC ELEMENTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS A VIEW, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU A FEW VIEWS OF . SO IN THIS VIEW, YOU CAN SEE THE SHADE STRUCTURE, THE DECK WITH VIEWS THROUGH. UM, IT'S THE INTENT TO, AGAIN, TO REMOVE THE ARTIFICIAL ELEVATION IN THE PLAZA TO MAKE IT LEVEL. THAT'S , WHICH WILL IMPROVE CIRCULATION AND VIEWS ACROSS THE PLAZA. UM, ALSO IN THE FOREGROUND YOU'LL SEE THE KIND OF WALK THROUGH PLAZA DE VALERO ALONG WITH POSSIBLE SEATING AREAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING TOWARDS THE MANGER HOTEL LOOKING NORTH [00:25:01] TOWARDS EAST CROCKETT STREET. THIS INCLUDES, UM, SHOWING, OR IT'S, UM, HIGHLIGHTING THE, THE BOTANIC PLANTINGS, THE SHADE STRUCTURE, STRUCTURE, , UM, INTEGRATED BENCHES AND AND THE FLEXIBLE LAWN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UH, THIS VIEW IS LOOKING SOUTH WITH THE MANGER HOTEL TO THE LEFT. SO YOU CAN SEE A GENTLY SLOPE WALK UP TO THE ELEVATED DECK, UM, AND STRUCTURE AND THEN BOTANIC WALK, OR, SORRY, BOTANIC, PLANTINGS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THEN THIS IS A VIEW ALONG THE PROMENADE. SO WE'RE ON NORTH ALAMO STREET LOOKING SOUTH WEST. YOU CAN SEE THE CANOPY TREES. IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT ALL CANOPY TREES WILL BE LIMBED HIGH TO HAVE MAXIMUM VISIBILITY ACROSS THE PLAZA. UM, WITHIN THOSE TREE PITS WOULD BE ENHANCED LANDSCAPE PLANTING AND SEEDING ALONG WITH FINE DEMARCATION TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PROMENADE IN AN EMERGENCY PARTICULAR LANE RESIDES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS, UH, DIAGRAM ILLUSTRATING WHERE THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE LANES WOULD BE. SO THE ONE GOING NORTH TO SOUTH IS NORTH ALAMOS STREET AND ALSO GRAVETT. THERE'S AXI AND CLEAR ACCESS ACROSS EAST CROCKETT STREET. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE'S YOU LOOKING SOUTH. SO AS IF YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE LUNETTE STRUCTURE, LOOKING TOWARDS THE, THE, UM, STRUCTURE, WHICH IS HIGH, IT'S INTENDED TO NESTLE WITHIN THE CANOPY OF THE TREE AND WRAP THE EXISTING TREE. UM, ALLY, YOU CAN SEE STONE FEET, WELL WALLS ALONG THE EDGES OF THE TREE PITS WHERE THE EXISTING HERITAGE TREES THAT IS INTENDED TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SOIL AVAILABLE TO THOSE TREES TO ENSURE THEIR VIABILITY. FULL . NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. UM, THIS IS EXHIBIT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED. IT'S THE INTENT FOR THE DESIGN, PROVIDE AMPLE AMOUNT OF SOIL FOR THE TREES TO REACH MATURITY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. UM, THE DESIGN PROCESSES ALSO INCLUDE SUSTAINABILITY STUDIES INTO HUMAN COMFORT MODELING, LOOKING AT IMPROVING THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOR VISITORS TO THE PLAZA, PROVIDING AMPLE SHADE. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE HOW HUMAN COMFORT HAS BEEN BOTTLED, UM, AFTER INSTALLATION FIVE YEARS , AND THEN AT MATURITY TO ENSURE THAT AS CLIMATE CHANGE CONTINUES, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED TO HAVE ANOTHER HUNDRED HUNDRED DEGREES FAHRENHEIT HEAT INDEX, THAT ENOUGH SHADE IS FOR PEOPLE TO RESIDE ON THE . NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. LASTLY, THE DESIGN, UM, HAS A STRATEGY AROUND WATER REUSE. UH, WATER IS BEING CAPTURED ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE PLAZA, AND ALONG, UM, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DECK OF THE SHADE STRUCTURE BEING CHANNELED TO A CISTERN, AND THAT WATER TENDED TO BE REUSED FOR IRRIGATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT. UM, WE, UM, KINDLY WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PRESENTER? UM, WELL, COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ. WELL, I, I, UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UM, MR. CHAIR, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS OF, UM, UH, COMMENT, DISCUSSION AND, UH, PLACE FOR QUESTIONS. UH, I DO HAVE COMMENTS, BUT I, I WANT 'EM TO BE IN THE PROPER CONTEXT, MR. CHAIR. SO, UM, I, I, I GUESS, I GUESS THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT QUESTIONS FOR THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER. SO FOR NOW, IT WOULD BE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TO CLARIFY ANYTHING IN THE PRESENTATION? WELL SEE, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE THING, IS THAT THERE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF IN-PERSON, UH, MEMBERS OF THE DESIGN TEAM TEAM AS WELL. OKAY. UM, AND, AND THIS IS A LITTLE OUT OF SEQUENCE JUST BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING THE, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA HEARING WHEN WE HEARD THROUGH THOSE. SO IT IS NOW, UH, TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR THE PRESENTERS. SO [00:30:01] I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE SHADE STRUCTURES. WHAT IS THE, UH, PROGRAM AGENDA FOR THOSE IS? SURE. GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE FOR THE RECORD. HI, MY NAME IS NATALIE HUGIN TOLER. I AM THE ARCHITECT WITH GENSLER, UM, WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. UM, THE SHADE STRUCTURE PROGRAMMING IS SUPPOSED TO BE FLEXIBLE, BUT PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON, UM, SPEAKER SERIES, SMALL MUSICAL EVENTS, UM, REALLY COMMUNIC COMMUNITY ORIENTED, UM, EVENTS AND POTENTIALLY LEAVING THE OP OPTION OPEN FOR THINGS LIKE MOVIE NIGHTS BEING THERE, BUT REALLY MORE ORIENTED TOWARDS VERY SMALL GROUPS, HAVING PRESENTATIONS AND, UH, COMMUNITY ORIENTED SPEAKER SERIES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A PLACE TO HANG OUT AND SIT. NO, . UM, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD. YEAH, THIS IS, UH, COMMISSIONER ROCHESTER . UM, WHAT METHODOLOGY DID YOU USE WHEN FACTORING THE REVERENCE THAT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE SITE AND THE ALAMO? AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT IT IS, SOME PARTS OF IT IS, IS, IS AS A CEMETERY, AS SOME, IT'S A HOLY SITE, IT'S STILL A RELIGIOUS STRUCTURE, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE SANCTITY OF THOSE WHO, WHO GAVE THEIR LIFE THERE ON BOTH SIDES. UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WHAT METHODOLOGY DO YOU USE TO FACTOR THAT INTO YOUR DESIGN? SO THE DESIGN OF POSITIVE VALERO IS SUPPOSED TO BE A GIFT BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS REALLY A CIVIC ORIENTED SITE AND SOMEWHAT SEPARATE, UM, FROM THE ALAMO PLAZA ITSELF, WHICH IS NOT ONLY THE PART OF THE HISTORIC FORT AND MISSION, BUT IT IS THE PLACE OF HIGHEST REVERENCE IN THE ALAMO PLAN. SO WE WANTED TO PRESERVE THE IDENTITY AND THE SANCTITY OF THAT SPACE, AND THEN HAVE THE REST OF THE DISTRICT SUPPORT AND BECOME MORE OF A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE REST OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE REVERENT ZONE. SO THIS SPACE IN PARTICULAR IS GOING TO BE COMPLIMENTARY IN MATERIALITY, UM, BUT ALLOW VISITORS A MOMENT TO REALLY RESET AND EMBRACE WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE EXPOSED TO ON THE SITE OF THE MISSION AS THEY APPROACH ALONG THE PROMENADE. HAVE YOU FACTORED IN FOOT TRAFFIC FOR THE AREA? AND WHAT TYPE OF ACTIVITIES WOULD BE GRAVITATING TO THAT ZONE? WE ARE ANTICIPATING, UM, MOSTLY VISITORS TO THE, THE MISSION. UM, BUT WE ARE SUPPORTING ACCESS TO EXISTING BUSINESSES AS WELL, UM, WITH OPEN AND CLEAR VIEW CORRIDORS TO, UM, ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, UM, OF ALAMO STREET AND OF THE PLAZAS THEMSELVES. UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE INTENT IS TO ENCOURAGE PROCESSION AND APPRECIATION OF THE OUTDOORS WITHIN THE CIVIC SPACE. DO YOU FORESEE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE KIND OF PARALLEL, THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN, LIKE AT THE PEARL, LIKE DURING THE WEEKENDS AND WHATNOT WITH, YOU HAD THE PLAZAS THERE, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE GATHERING. IS THAT THE KIND OF, UH, VISION YOU WERE LOOKING AT? UM, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT CHARACTER THAN THE ACTIVITIES AT THE PEARL. UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE COORDINATED WITH CITY OFFICES, UM, AS THE POSITIVE AEROS ON CITY LAND AND WOULD BE REGULATED BY, UM, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND C C D O. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , I HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THESE SAN ANTONIO CONSERVATION SOCIETY, I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER SANTES COMMENTED ON. THE SECOND ONE WAS, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS PHASE A TWO A TO B. WHAT ABOUT THE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS ABOUT THE FUTURE BUILDINGS OR NEW BUILDINGS MM-HMM. . UM, THE OVERALL PLAN HAS BEEN, UM, DEVELOPED AND REVIEWED WITH MEMBERS OF THE ALAMO MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, THE ALAMO CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL, UM, AS WELL AS WITH THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS [00:35:01] IT CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. UM, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, UM, THE GOAL IS TO, TO CREATE A VERY HOLISTIC AND REVERENT DISTRICT, UM, AND NOT TO CLUTTER THE SPACE WITH BRAND NEW BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE. UM, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR, YEAH, IT WAS MORE FOR THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY. YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UM, UH, LET'S SEE. WE HAVE, UM, GOING TO THE SHADE STRUCTURE MM-HMM. , UH, I DO THINK IT'S, UM, AN APPROPRIATE FORM AND PROFILE FOR THAT AREA BASED ON, UM, THE INTENT OF THE, THE SITE ACTIVATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , IT'S A SECULAR ONE. IT IS A COMMERCIAL ONE. IT IS A, A RECREATIONAL ONE. UM, BUT LOOKING AT THE, I'M GOING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S A BIG STRUCTURE, VERY LOW SLOPE. TELL US HOW THE DRAINAGE WORKS. SO THE, THE SLOPE OF THE ROOF, UM, DIRECTS DOWN TOWARDS THE NORTH, AND THEN THERE'S AN INTEGRAL GUTTER THAT SWEEPS AROUND THE NORTHERN EDGE, WHICH WILL BE HIDDEN BEHIND, UM, A FASCIA THAT'S INTEGRAL TO THE REST OF THE FINISHES. UM, TWO FALSE COLUMNS WILL ACT AS DOWNSPOUTS, AND THOSE ARE LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN EDGE, AND THEY WILL COLLECT WATER, UM, AND DIRECT THEM UNDER THE DECK THROUGH TO THE CISTERN, UM, THAT'S LOCATED FURTHER SOUTH IN THE LAWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? I'LL DO A MOTION, I'M SORRY. OKAY. HEARING NONE. DID I HEAR MOTION OFFERED? UM, MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. DO WE HAVE SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. WE CAN NOW CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION FOR THE MOTION, OR DO YOU WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENT? OKAY. FOR THE SECOND, DO YOU WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENT? ALRIGHT, MR. VELAZQUEZ, MR. CHAIR FIRST, LET ME TELL YOU THAT, THAT I, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, ALTHOUGH UNFORTUNATE THAT A CASE LIKE THIS WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, ITS A, A SEPARATE DATE'S COMPLETELY DEDICATED TO IT, A PROJECT THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. PERHAPS IN THE FUTURE WE CAN LOOK AT PROJECTS LIKE THIS AS SPECIAL MEETING DATES. UM, THE, THE, THE, UM, UM, TO, TO ME, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT EVOLUTION FROM WHERE IT WAS. UM, BUT IT, I THINK THERE ARE SOME INHERENT CONTRADICTIONS IN THE, IN THE OVERALL, UM, PLAN. UM, AND WE, WE CAN ONLY LEARN FROM, UH, MAINE PLAZA, UH, THAT, THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF THE DISTURBANCE OF IT. IF OUR ROLE IS WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY, YOU KNOW, THE MAINE PLAZA IS BASED ON UHLAND LALA, WHICH IS A VERY RARE CIRCUMSTANCE IN DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO THAT IT JUST DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. AND IF WE GO BACK TO 1870, UM, THE, THE VISION OF, OF THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO IS AS AN OPEN SPACE NOW IN SAN ANTONIO. I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TO, TO, TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THE BEST, UH, SOLUTION IS TO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. UM, UH, BUT, UM, IF WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE GREAT, UH, PLAZAS IN FRONT OF HISTORIC ENVIRONMENTS, SO NOT JUST USING THE TERM PLAZA LOOSELY, BUT IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE DUOMO AND MILAN OR THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE, SO COLO IN MEXICO CITY, UM, UM, AND, AND SO MANY OTHERS THAT, THAT THEN THE, THE OBJECTIVE BECOMES HOW DO YOU CREATE AN OPEN SPACE AND, AND REALLY PRESERVE, UH, THAT SENSE OF VOLUME WHERE THERE'S NOTHING THAT DEFINES IT EXCEPT THOSE THINGS IN THE SURROUND OF THAT EMPTY VOLUME. UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT IS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW HISTORICALLY, OR, OR WE ALREADY KNOW FROM HISTORIC OCCURRENCES WHEN TREES FALL OR WHEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTION. AND, AND, AND THERE ARE BODIES THAT COME UP WITH, WITH, UH, THOSE THINGS. SO EVEN WITH RESPECT TO THE SPACES WE USE DUOMO OR ANY OF THE CHURCHES, THE HISTORIC CHURCHES, FOR INSTANCE, THAT HAVE OPEN, UH, PLAZAS IN FRONT OF THEM, UH, UH, TO A LARGE EXTENT BECAUSE THEY ARE BURIAL GROUNDS. NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT IT, THAT IT, THAT IT NECESSARILY IS IMPORTANT THAT WE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, PUSH, PUSH THE OPINION THAT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT BURIAL GROUND IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO. BUT, UH, HISTORY SHOWS THAT, THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO HAS BEEN VERY RARE. [00:40:01] AND, UM, AND, AND THEN THERE'S A DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO THE TERMINOLOGY THAT'S USED AS THIS REVERENT PLACE, NOT FORGETTING THE FACT THAT IT IS A, IT IS A, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT'S A MISSION. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT MISSION SAN JOSE, WHEN WE LOOK AT MISSION SAN JUAN CAPANO MISSION ION IN, IN THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS THAT THESE MISSIONS HAVE EXISTED IN SAN ANTONIO, THERE HASN'T BEEN THIS KIND OF FIRE UNDER US TO PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF IT, IN FRONT OF THEM. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THE BEAUTIES OF, OF, OF OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE MISSION STRING IS THAT THE VOCABULARY FOR HOW YOU TREAT LA VAL IS, UH, REALLY MORE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE MISSIONS THAN IT IS WITH ANY URBAN ENVIRONMENT. AND, AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE TRUE WITH EXAMPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD. SO I, I DO WONDER HOW, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE LOOKS AT THIS WITH RESPECT TO THE UNESCO UH, DESIGNATION. IT, IT'S CONCERNING THAT WE WOULD MAKE THESE DECISIONS WITHOUT BEING BRIEFED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WHICH ONLY MAKES TRANSPARENCY ALL THE MORE BEAUTIFUL, REALLY. UH, AND, AND THEN HOW WE, UM, HOW WE LOOK AT THE CITY HAVING A HISTORY OF RESPECTING THIS SPACE IN, IN, IN WHAT IS A COMPROMISE BETWEEN IT BEING A A A A, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY A CATHOLIC, UH, SANCTUARY THAT SOMEHOW BECOMES A PLACE THAT IS SECULARIZED AND IS SOMEHOW EVEN MORE SACRED. YET WE IMAGINE THAT PEOPLE WILL BE FROM THE PICTURE, JUST SITTING THERE HAVING LUNCH IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO AND, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT IS A BIT OF A CONTRADICTION. AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT ALONG THE LINES OF COMMISSIONER JIMMY'S COMMENT ABOUT WHETHER A PERSON CAN JUST SIT THERE AND EAT THEIR LUNCH, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE. AND YEAH, A PERSON CAN JUST SIT THERE AND SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING IF THEY CHOOSE TO SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING PROVIDED THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THAT THE PROJECT IS, IS, UM, READY FOR A, UM, UM, A A DECISION THAT IS AFFIRMATIVE TO THE REQUEST, ALTHOUGH I DO, UM, FEEL THAT THEY'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS IN PEELING BACK AND PERHAPS BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THAT LESS IS MORE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE COMMENTS? YES, I DO. I, I'LL, I'LL BE, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER VASQUE SAID. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN THIS COME TO A D R C OR SOME SORT OF PLANNING WHERE WE PLANNING, UH, CONFERENCE WHERE WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME INPUT ON THIS. I, I THINK I ADMIRE, OR I RATHER I CAN GET BEHIND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LACK OF REVERENCE ON SOME OF THE OVERALL CONCEPT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA WONDER, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP AT GETTYSBURG? WOULD YOU KIND OF BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL TO IT, UH, WITH IT? UM, SO AGAIN, I I, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A D R C. I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THE PROJECT AS IT STANDS NOW, IN MY OPINION. IT'S PROBABLY AROUND 65%, 70% THERE, AND IT NEEDS SOME TWEAKING. UM, BUT, UH, JUST WANT TO ECHO EVERYTHING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ SAID. I'M NOT GONNA REHASH IT AGAIN, BUT IT'S ABOUT REVERENCE. IT'S ABOUT WHAT WE HOLD SACRED IN THIS STATE, IN THIS COUNTRY, RIGHT. UH, SO AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK I CAN APPROVE AS IS ALSO, UH, COMMISSIONER SANTES, UH, YOU HAVE DONE A YEOMAN SERVICE IN GOING TO THE DRCS IN THE PAST. THERE ACTUALLY WAS ONE, UH, FOR THIS, AND I GUESS YOU MISSED, YOU MAY HAVE MISSED THIS ONE, BUT I, I, I ATTENDED IT AND, UM, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED AT THAT TIME. DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, OR, YEAH, COMMENTS WE WOULD MAKE? I'LL DO A COMMENT IF I MAY. AND I WAS GONNA COMMENT THAT I KNOW THAT IT DIDN'T GO, BUT I WAS OFFERED A D R C. UM, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S OUR PREVIEW, THIS IS NOT ONLY US ON OUR DECISION, THERE'S A WHOLE ALMO COUNCIL, THERE'S THE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDS FOR IT, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS NOT, AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THINK IN THE PRESENTATION, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN BEFORE, MANY TIMES WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, ALMOST LIKE IT'S GONE THROUGH EVERYBODY. IT'S GONE THROUGH A LOT OF PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, I SEE WE'VE COME A LONG WAY SINCE THE BEGINNING. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ACTUALLY GIVING MORE ATTENTION TO THE LUNETTE THAT'S GONNA BE THERE, LIKE ON THE ENTRANCE TO THE ALAMO. THIS IS NOT IN FRONT OF THE ALAMO. UM, I KNOW EXACTLY, UH, COMMISSIONER, I MEAN, VELASQUEZ MENTIONED SOME OF THESE PLAZAS. I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S NEEDED IN MANY OF THESE BIG [00:45:01] PLAZAS IS ACTUALLY A PLACE WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SIT AND ENJOY IT. UM, I THINK THE ALAMO PLAZA RIGHT NOW IS INTENDED FOR THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT COMFORTABLE. WE DON'T HAVE SEATING, WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, BEFORE OF COURSE IT WAS FENCED IN. I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST IMPROVING WHAT WAS CURRENTLY, WHAT WAS INTENDED, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY. SO I'LL KEEP SUPPORTING THE MOTION. MR. MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON IT. UM, WE DO HAVE SOME HANDS RAISED, VIRTUALLY JUST, I WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, I'LL, I CAN, I CAN WAIT TILL THE VIRTUAL HANDS. YEAH, LET'S DO A FIRST CYCLE AROUND, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH ANY, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. UH, COMMISSIONER BAKER, PLEASE. I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. I'M SO EXCITED THAT I, THAT YOU CALLED ON ME FIRST. I, I FORGOT TO DO THAT. . UM, I, I RESPECT THE COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF REVERENCE. A I I, HOWEVER, THINK THAT THIS DOES PAY A LOT OF REFERENCE. AND I, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT AS, UM, AS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS STATED, GIVEN THAT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY IS ACTUALLY SOUTH AND, UH, UH, IN, IN THAT PORTION OF THE ALAMO PLAZA AND NOT IN FRONT OF THE CATHEDRAL, I BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WERE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL MISSION, AND YOU LOOKED AT IT, IF YOU WERE TO STAND AND DO A 360, UH, LOOK, YOU KNOW, TURN A CIRCLE THERE, I THINK THAT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED ONCE CONSTRUCTED WOULD BE A FAR, WOULD, WOULD PRESENT A FAR MORE REVERENT PLACE THAN WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU SEE BASICALLY THE SAME SORT OF, UH, COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN ANY OTHER LARGE TOWN IN A, IN A TOURIST AREA. AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD PRESENT A MORE REVERENT AREA. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE, THE SPECIAL, UM, I'LL GET THE NAME WRONG, THE, THE GALLERY, THE BUILDING IN THE BACK THAT'S GOT THE SPECIAL COLLECTIONS. I THINK THAT THAT AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED HOLISTICALLY AS PART OF THIS PLAN ACTUALLY DO PAY A LOT OF REVERENCE AND, AND DO SHOW THAT, UH, DESIGN TEAM AND ALAMO TRUST HAVE IN FACT PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS. AND, AND SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS, IS COMMISSIONER UH, FISH THERE? YES, HE'S GOT HIS HAND. YES. THANK, YEAH, HE'S, I CAN'T SEE HIM ON THE SCREEN HERE, BUT, UM, I'M SURE YOU'RE THERE. GO AHEAD. UH, I'M HERE. I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, BRIEFLY THAT I THINK, UH, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TODAY IS CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE MASTER PLAN, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA OF, OF THE SITE. AND, UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE IS APPROPRIATE AND WILL, UH, OFFER SOME BENEFIT GOING FORWARD. SO I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION THANK COMMISSIONER GIBBS AS WELL. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER GIBBS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? THANK, YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UM, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT, UM, MY LAST, UM, UM, CO COUPLE COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO EXPRESS. SO I BELIEVE IT HAS COME A LONG WAY, AND I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. UM, HOWEVER, I AM, UM, SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT, UM, COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ AND OTHER COMMISSIONER HAS STATED. I'M CONCERNING THAT. BUT, UM, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH. UM, I'M, I'M BENEFITING QUITE A BIT FROM ALL OF MY COMMISSIONER FELLOW COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS. UM, IT REALLY DOES GO TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS THIS VERY LARGE SPACE. UM, YOU KNOW, NESTLED IN THIS URBAN SETTING IS VERY COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S, AND IT'S ALSO VERY COMPLEX HISTORICALLY. AND SO WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, UM, I FEEL IS QUITE A BIT BETTER THAN WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT A FEW YEARS AGO. UM, JUST THE WAY THE, THE SPACES ARE PLAYING OUT, UM, HISTORICALLY, LARGE COMPLEXES OVER CENTURIES, RELIGIOUS OR MONARCHICAL OR HOWEVER THEY WERE, THEY CAME ABOUT WHATEVER POWERS, THEY'RE VERY COMPLICATED, OR LEMME SAY COMPLEX, BECAUSE THERE WERE PLACES FOR HOUSING FOR WORSHIP, THERE WERE PLACES FOR MUNITIONS, THERE'S PLACES, THERE ARE PLACES FOR ANIMALS AND EVERYTHING. AND THE, AND THE, THE BEAUTY ABOUT VISITING HISTORIC PLACES, UNESCO SITES AROUND THE WORLD AND NON UNESCO SITES IS YOU, EVEN CENTURIES LATER, YOU CAN READ WHAT THOSE USES WERE. AND I, MY OBSERVATION ON THE WAY THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE PLAZA IS BEING DEVELOPED AND GOES TO MY COMMENT ABOUT THE, THE PAVILION, UM, IT IS APPROPRIATE IN ITS SUPPORTS WHAT THAT PURPOSE IS. AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S NON-RELIGIOUS. I [00:50:01] FEEL LIKE APPROPRIATE DESIGN IS, IS REVERENT, IT'S REVEREY TO, UM, TO THE PLACE. UM, SO I, I SEE IT IN A, I GUESS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY THAN A STRICTLY, UM, ECUMENICAL WAY. BUT I DO SEE THE SACREDNESS OF APPROPRIATELY USING AND BUILDING YOUR SPACES. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS MUCH. AND IF I MAY JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL CYCLE BACK THROUGH. IF ANYONE HAS ANY FOLLOW UP COMMENTS. I, I, I COMMEND THE TEAM. I COMMEND THE ALMO TRUSTS AND, AND ALL THOSE THAT HAVE, UH, CONTRIBUTED TO THIS EFFORT. I THINK, UM, IT'S, IT'S RESULTED IN A REALLY, UH, REALLY, UH, FANTASTIC DESIGN, MY OPINION. IT, IT, UH, HELPS TO BALANCE A LOT OF THE CONTENDING FORCES THAT, UH, WERE SORT OF CLASHING IN THE EARLIER, UH, ITERATIONS OF THIS. IT, IT GIVES US BACK, UH, A CIVIC SPACE THAT HAD GROWN UP IN AN AREA THAT HAD A DIFFERENT USE OVER, OVER, UH, UH, A NUMBER OF, OF, UH, CENTURIES. AND THIS, I THINK, ALLOWS FOR SOME OF THOSE C CIVIC ACTIVITIES TO TAKE PLACE, BUT THEN ZONES AND CREATES A, UH, THAT MORE, UM, REVERENCE SPACE AS WELL. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FANTASTIC. I ALSO THINK THE, UH, THE, THE, THE CIRCULATION AND THE SORT OF TRAPEZOIDAL SHAPE OF THIS, IT'S, IT'S BALANCED WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, KIND OF A, UH, OVERLY FORMAL SYMMETRY THAT, THAT, UH, REALLY IS KIND OF RESPONSIVE TO THE, TO THE, UH, THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT FORM THE, THE WALL ABOUT IT. UM, AND I ALSO VERY MUCH WANT TO TIP MY HAT TO THE ARCHITECTS AND STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS THAT, THAT MADE THE, UH, THE SHADE STRUCTURE AS MINIMALIST AS POSSIBLE, THAT KIND OF, THAT, THAT 14 INCH WIDE FLANGE STRUCTURE TO REALLY CREATE JUST THE, A SHARP KNIFE EDGE THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, HUDDLED UP INTO THE, INTO THE TREES. I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT EFFECT. SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER, UH, FOLLOW UP COMMENTS, YOU, WELL, IF WE COULD GET STAFF TO GO TO PAGE 56 OF ONE 17, YOU KNOW, MI MR. CHAIR THERE, THERE'S A, AN OLD SAYING IN, IN, UH, IN ARCHITECTURE, RIGHT? AND IT, IT ASKS THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BUILD, UM, ON THE HILL. AND, AND THE ANSWER COMES BACK. IT, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THEN YOU LOSE THE HILL AND IN, OR BLUFF OR MOUNTAIN OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. AND, AND IN THIS CONTEXT, UH, THE CONSER, THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY REALLY IS BEING VERY SENSITIVE TO, UH, I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT RULE, THAT THAT, THAT YOU EITHER FOLLOWED OR YOU DON'T, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S APPARENT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION IS, IS IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN. AND I THINK THAT, THAT IT'S WARRANTED IN THAT IT HAS COME A LONG WAY FROM SOMETHING WHERE I THINK WE, WE CAN AGREE THAT PREVIOUSLY WE WOULD'VE LOST THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT. BUT THIS PAGE IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE PLAN SPEAKS TO THE PROFESSIONAL. BUT ELEVATION IS SOMETHING THAT A KID CAN SEE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, IT AL IT'S ALWAYS A QUESTION TO ASK WHAT WAS IN FRONT OF, UM, THE CHURCH IN MEXICO CITY IN THE SOO? AND WHY WOULD ANYBODY DEDICATE THAT MUCH SPACE TO NOTHING? IT'S A CHALLENGE TO ANY, TO ANY, UH, DESIGNER TO SAY, IF I DON'T DO ANYTHING, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO DO. WELL, SOMETIMES YOUR TALENTS AND SKILLS ARE USED BY, BY KNOWING THAT, UH, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO, ESPECIALLY IN, IN THE FACE OF AN ALAMO PLAZA THAT HAS A HISTORY. AND THAT HISTORY INCLUDES THE PARADES, AND IT IT INCLUDES THE PRESIDENTS ROOSEVELT AND TRUMAN AND KENNEDY. IT, IT, IT, UH, UH, THE CESAR CHAVEZ MARCH, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS SPACE THAT NOTHING EXISTED YET, WE USED THIS PICTURE, IT, UH, 56, I'M SORRY, OF ONE 17 IN THE L 3.00 CONSTRUCTION DETAILS. OKAY? TH THIS IS A DEPICTION OF WHAT WE ARE TAUGHT AGAINST, PARTICULARLY AS MEMBERS OF THE HD R C, AGAINST FALSE HISTORICISM. THIS IS FALSE HISTORICISM, AND WE HAVE TO REALLY BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE'RE GONNA TURN THE ALAMO INTO A THEME PARK. [00:55:01] IT IS, IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT, UM, THE PLAZA IN, IN PRAGUE IN, IN, IN OLD TOWN, THAT WHAT DEFINES THAT PLAZA ISN'T THE PLAZA IN ITSELF, BUT THE STRUCTURES AROUND IT AND WHAT YOU DO WITH THEM, AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND WHAT THEY ARE AN ALAMO MUSEUM, UH, A WOOLWORTH WITH THE HISTORY AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WE HAVE TO HAVE CONFIDENCE WILL DEFINE THE SPACE AS A SPACE OF TRUE HISTORY. THIS MAKES ASSUMPTIONS, AND IT ONLY FURTHERS THE, THE, THE ARGUMENTS AND DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE TEXANS AND THE MEXICANS AND THE UNITED STATES, AND THE EXPANSIONISTS AND SLAVERY AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. ALL THAT ALL THIS DOES IS JUST GRIND OUR NOSE INTO A BLOODY BATTLE THAT MANY ARGUES SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, OR FROM THE ALAMO TO TODAY. WE HAVE ALL EVOLVED INTO A SHARED HISTORY, AND OUR STORY EXISTS IN THE EMPTY SPACE. UH, UM, I, I, UH, I, I, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S MUCH MORE TO SAY EXCEPT THAT I, I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN, AND I JUST WANT TO BE NOT ONLY TRUE TO MYSELF, BUT TRUE TO MY CITY, THAT IF THE RECORD'S GONNA RECORD, UH, HOW THIS HAPPENED, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. AND JUST A REMINDER OF THE, THIS, YOU KNOW, UH, TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, I LOOK CLOSELY AT WHAT THE, UH, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BEING ASKED TO, TO, UH, CONSIDER TODAY FOR THIS PORTION. UH, THE LUNETTE HAS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, COME BEFORE US AND HAS, HAS GONE THROUGH A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PUBLIC PROCESS AND, AND REVISIONS WERE MADE. SO, UM, IF, IF THAT WAS IN RE REFERENCE PARTICULARLY TO, TO THE, UH, THE, THE PORTAL AND THE LUNETTE, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE TODAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER MOOKA, DO YOU HAVE NO, IT'S JUST THAT I WAS AT THE, UM, THE D R C FOR THE, FOR THE LUNETTE. AND, UH, AS I UNDERSTOOD, AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION, THEN IT IS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE EXPECTED TO LAST FOR THREE YEARS. MAYBE NOT TO PUT A LIMIT ON IT, BUT IT WAS, IT IS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT REALLY DOES SPEAK TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT GABRIEL TALKED ABOUT, THAT IT WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW, TOO MUCH OF A DEMONSTRATIVE, UM, SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE TEACHING PEOPLE, YOU'RE TRYING TO ENGAGE PEOPLE IN, IN A HISTORY. AND THAT DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE SPACE IN FRONT OF A, IN FRONT OF A, OF A MISSION. ALTHOUGH THIS IS OFF TO THE SIDE, IT IS STILL THERE AS KIND OF A, AN EXHIBIT, SO TO SPEAK. UM, AND, AND I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IT WAS JUST A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. I DO THINK THAT IT'S KIND OF CLOSE TO THE ALAMO, CLOSE TO THE MISSION, AND, UM, AND THAT'S, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU. MAY, MAY I COMMENT? YES, YES. IF YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT. UM, YES. THE, THE LUNETTE WAS PERMITTED AS A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE, UM, WITH A THREE YEAR REVIEW PERIOD. AND SO AT THAT TIME, IT CAN BE READDRESSED. UM, THEY ARE STRUCTURALLY SEPARATE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS ABOUT ITS PERMANENCE IN NATURE, IT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE STRUCTURE, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ABUT, UM, OR THAT IT ABUTS THE MISSION GATE. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES PERMITTED SEPARATELY, BUT REVIEWED TOGETHER. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MM-HMM. . AND JUST TO MAKE A FINAL COMMENT FOR MYSELF, I, I DO CONCUR WITH, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE CONSERVATION SOCIETY, PARTICULARLY IN THE, UM, SORT OF PIECE FEEL PIECEMEAL WAY IN WHICH SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE BEING ROLLED OUT. BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LARGER PLAN, A MASTER PLAN THAT'S GUIDING ALL OF THIS, AND WE'VE BEEN GIVEN, UH, OCCASIONAL GLIMPSES OF THAT. SO THAT DOES EXIST. AND I GUESS THE OTHER FINAL CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT AS THE PROGRAMMING PRESSURES, UH, COME TO BEAR ON THAT, ON THAT PAVILION AND ON THAT SPACE, THAT, UH, THE OPERATIONAL DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE THERE TRY TO GO WITH LESS, MORE APPROACH, RATHER THAN MAKING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PERMANENT ALTERATIONS TO THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF, YOU KNOW, MORE SHORT TERMED, UH, ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS. UM, OKAY. SO I THINK WE'VE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION. I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT, MR. CHAIR? YES. FROM, UH, JIMMY CERVANTES. OH, OKAY. SORRY. [01:00:02] YES. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES ECHO. UM, UH, WHAT SOME OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SAID, THE, THE LUNETTE AND WHATNOT, I KNOW WE, WE, WE SEPARATE, SEPARATE, UH, SEPARATE PROJECT, BUT THE INTENT OF THAT WAS TO CYCLE PEOPLE TO, ONE OF THE INTENTS WAS TO CYCLE PEOPLE THROUGH AND LET THEM ACTUALLY HAVE SOME OF THE EXPERIENCES, YOU KNOW, HISTORICAL EXPERIENCES OF BEING NEAR ALAMO PLAZA WITH THE SIZE OF THE WALL, EXCEPT SO, BUT THE WHOLE, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO MOVE PEOPLE ALONG, RIGHT? I THINK THIS IS GONNA PROBABLY SLOW PEOPLE ALONG, UM, OR SLOW 'EM DOWN ENOUGH TO HAVE A SEAT. AND, AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T, WHAT DOESN'T CONCERN ME IS, IS, IS THAT IT JUST, I WOULD HATE FOR THIS TO TURN INTO A PLACE WHERE IT'S JUST MUSIC GLARING LOUD AND PEOPLE NOT HAVING REVERENCE FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN EARSHOT OF, OF, OF WHERE WE'RE, WHERE YOU'RE BUILDING IN RELATION TO THE ALAMO ITSELF. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA ECHO WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID AND, AND, UH, AND POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAY WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? AYE. SAVINA. AYE. VELASQUEZ NAY, MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE CALLED IN YOU LAST GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? NO. AND, UH, BAKER? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, SO WE'LL HEAR ITEM 17 NEXT, I BELIEVE. AND, UH, CHAIRMAN FETZER'S RETURNING TO US. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. ONE SECOND. MR. REYNOLDS. YEP. ITEM 17 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH OH 5 2 2 2 5 LINDELL PLACE. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT REAR AND NORTH ADDITIONS, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 537 SQUARE FEET, PLUS A 263 SQUARE FOOT SCREENED IN PORCH AND AN 81 SQUARE FOOT OPEN PORCH. AND TWO, REPLACE FOUR WOOD WINDOWS WITH SALVAGE WOOD WINDOWS. SYSTEMS STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEMS ONE AND TWO CONSTRUCTION OF REAR, OH, I HAVE A TYPO IN THIS. I'M SO SORRY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE CONSTRUCTION OF REAR AND NORTH EDITIONS BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH J WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A ONE OVER ONE WINDOW OR PAIR OF ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS IN PLACE OF THE PROPOSED FIXED WINDOWS ON THE REAR EDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, REPLACING FOUR WOOD WINDOWS WITH SALVAGE WOODEN WOOD WINDOW SYSTEMS BASED ON FINDING K. AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, JONATHAN REYNOLDS VIA WEBEX. UM, AND THERE ARE NO VOICEMAILS OR LETTERS FOR THIS ONE. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, SO WHAT I'M, UH, TRYING TO GET AN APPROVAL ON IS THE FIXED WINDOWS ON THE REAR OF THE PALM. UM, WE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AT THE REAR OF THE HOME, UH, WERE IN FACT FIXED WINDOWS AND NOT ONE OVER ONE SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS. UH, THIS BEING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND CONCEALED BY THE PORCH. UM, WE ARE NOT SURE EXACTLY, UH, SORRY. I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF LIKE, UH, ECHO GOING ON. SO I WASN'T SURE IF SOMEONE WAS SPEAKING, BUT, UM, SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING FOR APPROVAL TO GO BACK WITH A FIXED SET OF WINDOWS AND THE WINDOW IS RIGHT THERE WHERE IT USED TO BE FIXED. WE ALSO HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF SEVERAL OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH FIXED WINDOWS. WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS DETRACTING FROM THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THE HOME. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF. SO IT'S REPLACING IN KIND OR WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHAT DO YOU THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND BECAUSE IT'S A NEW INTRODUCTION OF WINDOWS STAFF'S, UH, GENERAL STIPULATIONS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION IS TO, UH, HAVE SOMETHING SENSITIVE TO EXISTING WINDOWS ON SITE. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, WE'RE PUSHING IT OUT AND HE'S BASICALLY REPLACING AS THEY WERE. OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ANY, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIKE ANY OVERSIZED WINDOW OR ANYTHING [01:05:01] LIKE THAT. UM, IT'S SIMPLY BECOMING A FIXED WINDOW BECAUSE IT IS GONNA BE OVER THE KITCHEN, UH, SINK AREA AND NEEDS TO BE ELEVATED AND THEREFORE, UM, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE IT FIXED. COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY TO FOLLOW FOLLOW UP. I JUST PUT UP A WINDOW OF THE EXISTING OR WINDOW, A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING WINDOW CONDITIONS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEN FROM THE INSIDE, THE WINDOWS YOU WERE SHOWING ME ON THE INSIDE, THAT'S AN OLD REAL ESTATE LISTING THEY SUBMITTED AS A LATE EXHIBIT. SO THAT'S WHAT IT WAS USED TO BE. AND THEN IT WAS REMOVED AND THEN SO, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHO PUT IT TO ITS CURRENT STATE, BUT YES, THAT'S WHAT IT USED TO BE WAS THE FIXED ONES WINDOWS. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'M, I'LL MAKE A MOTION CHAIR TO, UM, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. WELL, UH, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALL OF STAFF STIPULATIONS EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE PERTAINING TO THE REAR FIXED WINDOWS. THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE JUST ASKING THAT WE BE ALLOWED TO USE FIXED WINDOWS IN THE KITCHEN. THAT'S THE MOTION. SECOND, I THINK, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, WAS IT CLEAR ENOUGH MOTION AND A SECOND, IS THE MOTION CLEAR ENOUGH? YES, WE UNDERSTAND. OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. GIBBS? AYE. FISH COMMISSIONER? FISH, ARE YOU THERE? OH, I THINK WE HAVE LOST HIM. UM, SAVINO. AYE. VELAZQUEZ AYE. MASUKA AYE. CARPENTER. AYE GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER? AYE. THATT, SIR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 18. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, H D R C CASE NUMBER 20 23 1 4 3 11 23 SOUTHEAST MILITARY. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO INSTALL SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ON THE BUILDINGS FACADES. UM, THE PREVIOUSLY NOTED PYLON SIGN IS NO LONGER A PART OF THE REQUEST. UH, THE APPLICANT, UM, IS HERE. WELL, LET ME READ THE RECOMMENDATION. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE INSTALLATION OF SIGNAGE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. REVISED SIGNAGE DOCUMENTS SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A C O A FOR SIGNAGE AND PERMITTING. UH, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE PROPOSED WALL SIGNAGE TO FEATURE SIGNAGE ON ONLY ONE FACADE, OR REDUCE THE OVERALL SIZE OF SIGNAGE TO NOT EXCEED MORE THAN 50 SQUARE FEET PER FACADE IS WHAT WOULD REQUIRE AMENDMENTS TO. THE SIGNAGE IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. FOR THE RIGHT AND FRONT FACADES. UH, ALL WALL SIGNAGE SHOULD FEATURE METAL SIGN FACES WITHIN INDIRECT OR HALO ILLUMINATION. UH, AND THEN TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT REDUCED THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE MONUMENT SIGN TO FEATURE A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN 50, OR EXCUSE ME, A HEIGHT OF NO MORE THAN FIVE FEET AND NO MORE THAN 25 SQUARE FEET PER SIDE. UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE, UH, VIRTUALLY, UH, THE APPLICANTS MARK WALLY AND CONNOR ASHCROFT, UH, COMMISSIONERS. I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, UH, A REVISED SIGNAGE PACKAGE, UH, THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SIGNAGE. UH, THIS SIGN HERE. UH, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THE STAFF THAT THEY WILL REVISE THIS SIGN TO BE HALO LIT, UH, TO RESEMBLE THIS SIGN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW WHEN ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT. BUT THE APPLICANTS CAN CLARIFY AND CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH STAFF. UH, NOW, MR. CHAIR, DID I ASK EDWARD CLARIFY SOMETHING? HE SAID, EDWARD, YOU, YOU ENDED BY SAYING THAT THEY'RE HERE TO CLARIFY, BUT, BUT DID, DID YOU SAY THAT THEY HAD ALREADY CLARIFIED TO STAFF? CORRECT? THEY HAVE, BUT IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS OR, UH, COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM, UH, VERBALLY AGREE, THEN, THEN THEY CAN DO THAT. NOW. TH TH THANK YOU EDWARD, MR. CHAIR. THERE AREN'T ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT, UM, ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PRESENTATION AS, AS GIVEN BY EDWARD THERE. THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I CAN WAIT TO SEE IF THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, JUST ONE QUESTION, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT. YOU, YOU HAVE AGREED TO, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF SIZE AND UH, ILLUMINATION. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS THEN, MR. CHAIR? WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE AS SUBMITTED WITH THE, UH, STAFF STIPULATION, UH, WITH ALL STAFF STIPULATIONS, INCLUDING, UH, THE TYPE OF LIGHTING, UH, REQUESTED BY STAFF, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE WINDMILL SIGNAGE. [01:10:03] SECOND MOTION, AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS, I CAN COME BACK TO YOU. SORRY, I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T UNMUTE. HI. OKAY, SABINO. OH, I SEE. OH, SAVINA HAS STEPPED AWAY. OKAY. . VELAZQUEZ. AYE. MAZUA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. VET. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGENDA ITEM 19. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 81 86 23 OLD CORPUS CHRISTI ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH I. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT SATISFIED THE DOCUMENTATION REQUIREMENTS FOR DEMOLITION OF A LANDMARK, AND THE APPLICATION IS INCOMPLETE IF THE H D R C FINDS THE APPLICATION TO BE COMPLETE. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL. UH, SINCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, THE PREVIOUS REPRESENTATIVE DID SUBMIT, UM, COST ESTIMATES FOR THE REHABILITATION OF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS AVAILABLE IN YOUR LATE FOLDER. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, ELIA SANDOVAL, IS WITH US IN PERSON. UM, SHE WILL REQUIRE TRANSLATION SERVICES. UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER A PART OF THIS CASE, AND SO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, UH, NEW TO THE PROCESS AND IS HERE TO REPRESENT HERSELF. HELLO, MY NAME IS ELIA SAND. OKAY. UM, IT'S, WE WOULD LIKE TO DEMOLISH THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT 300 FEET, BUT IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO, UM, DO THE REMODELING. IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. WE'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU CAN APPROVE FOR US A NEW HISTORIC HOUSE. ANYTHING ELSE? S NO, THAT WOULD BE ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION AND I KNOW WE, THERE WAS A SITE VISIT TO THE HOUSE LAST WEEK, AND SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR, UH, THAT REPORT. UH, MR. CHAIR, UM, WE HAD A SITE VISIT IN ATTENDANCE WAS, UM, WHERE COMMISSIONER CERVANTES, UM, MAZUA AND, UH, THERE'S STAFF THERE AND, UM, I THINK THE COM UH, CONSERVATION SOCIETY, UM, REPRESENTATIVE MIGHT'VE BEEN THERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO RECALL. THE HOUSE, WHICH IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, APPEARED FROM THE EXTERIOR TO BE IN VERY, VERY BAD CONDITION. WE WERE NOT ALLOWED INSIDE BECAUSE AS WAS COMMENTED IN THE CASE MATERIALS EARLIER, THE HOUSE IS INFESTED WITH, UH, BEES AND YELLOW JACKETS AND WE COULD SEE THEM SWARMING FROM THE WALLS. SO WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO GO WELL, DID NOT WANNA GO INSIDE. UM, AND IT WAS BOARDED SHUT MY OBSERVATION. AND BEFORE I SAW THE, THE FINANCIAL, I THINK WE ALL HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS. THANK YOU. ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE THERE LIKE TO COMMENT? I, I ONLY WANNA SAY I CONCUR WITH THAT. AND ALSO FROM JUST LOOKING AT IT, WE COULD NOT DISCERN THAT IT WAS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE. THERE ARE OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE AREA ACROSS THE STREET WHERE YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE WERE STONE BUILDINGS CLAD AND STUCCO, BUT IN THIS CASE IT WAS A WOOD STRUCTURE AND WHAT LOOKED LIKE IT MIGHT'VE BEEN HISTORIC WAS JUST A FAUX FINISH. SO, UM, I CONCUR THAT IT'S A STRUCTURE [01:15:01] IN VERY BAD CONDITION AND, UM, TOO DIFFICULT TO REMODEL OR TO RENOVATE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? YES, I AGREE WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. IT, IT LOOKED LIKE THAT THAT BUILDING WAS COBBLED TOGETHER FROM LEFTOVER PIECES WITH NO ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WHATSOEVER. IT WAS A SECONDARY BUILDING. UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT HAD, UH, CURRENTLY HAD POWER. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT HAS PLUMBING. UH, BUT YEAH, IT, UH, IT, IT, IT DID NOT LOOK, UH, LIKE IT WOULD, COULD BE REHABBED AT ALL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES, COMMISSIONER, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, THE PROCESS, UH, OF COURSE DEMOLITION IS ALSO A, A NEW CONSTRUCTION. I THINK I CONCUR WITH STAFF THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH IN OUR PACKAGE FOR WHAT'S GONNA BE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY WITH STAFF, CAN WE, CAN WE DO A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION PENDING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR, 'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T, WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T APPROVE A DEMOLITION WITHOUT APPROVING THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. YES, YOU'RE YES, , YES, YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. UM, WHAT THE CODE SAYS IS THAT THE PERMIT FOR DEMOLITION CAN'T BE ISSUED UNTIL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS APPROVED. AND SO TYPICALLY THOSE THINGS ARE REVIEWED CONCURRENTLY, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DELAY A DECISION TO RECOMMEND THE DEMOLITION BASED ON THE INFORMATION UNTIL YOU'VE REVIEWED NEW CONSTRUCTION. YOU CAN DO THAT. NOW. WE EVEN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE APPLICANT DO SOME KIND OF DEMOLITION. I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT THERE IS NOT SAFETY OR LIKE IF THERE WERE, THEY CAN JUST TALK TO YOU IF THERE WERE TO NO, PARTIALLY NO. THE UDC DOES NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN UNTIL NEW CONSTRUCTION IS APPROVED. OKAY. NOW, IF THERE IS, UM, A NEED TO SECURE THE BUILDING IN ANY WAY, UM, THEN THAT WORK CAN BE DONE. UM, IF THE CONDITIONS ESCALATED TO THE POINT THAT WARRANTED EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, THEN THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE THERE WITH THIS ONE. UM, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE OWNER TO ADDRESS ANY SAFETY CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE PRECLUDING DEMOLITION. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT. UH, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION APPROVED FIRST AND WHAT REALLY THAT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION? I BELIEVE WE DO. IT WOULD BE THIS ONE HERE, WE CAN MOVE ON 'CAUSE IT'S FROM QUESTIONS. I DON'T HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS. SO THE APPLICATION TODAY IS JUST FOR THE DEMOLITION, CORRECT? NO, IT'S DEMOLITION WITH THE REPLACEMENT PLANS. WITH THE REPLACEMENT PLANS. OKAY. YOU CAN, I DON'T WANT TO PUT A MOTION IN ANYONE'S MOUTH, BUT A MOTION COULD BE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DEMOLITION AND THEN A CONTINUANCE OR REFERRAL OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO A D R C. WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK IF IT COULD BE A A, A CONCEPTUAL, BUT IF IT, IF IT, UM, COULD BE A CONDITION FOR D R C, THEN I CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, FOR APPROVED DEMOLITION AND A CONTINUANCE, UH, FOR THE D R C FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. UH, ANY DISCUSSION? UM, COMMISSIONER SAVINO? YEAH, MR. CHAIR. UM, I DID WANNA ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, THE BUILDING. IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING FROM THE TEENS OR THE TWENTIES BE IN SUCH, SUCH BAD SHAPE. UM, AND WHAT IS HISTORIC, UM, IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD MAY NOT BE HISTORIC IN ANOTHER, BUT, UM, SOMETHING FROM THE TEENS AND THE TWENTIES IS HISTORIC. THIS IS A CASE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A COTTAGE, IT'S NOT QUITE A SHOTGUN, BUT IT'S A COTTAGE. UM, FURTHER EAST WE CALL THESE CREOLE COTTAGES, BUT THERE'S BEEN SO MANY ADD-ONS AND SO MANY MATERIALS REMOVED AND ADDED THAT IT HAS THE ONLY PART OF THE BUILDING OR OF THE, THE ONLY HISTORIC FEATURES REMAINING ARE ITS LOCATION AND THE MASSING, THE SIZE, THE HEIGHT AND THE SHAPE. AND THAT'S BARELY INTACT. SO, UM, AGAIN, RARELY TO BE ON A A DEMO BANDWAGON. I FIND MYSELF, UM, FINDING THIS ONE TO BE A REASONABLE REQUEST FOR THE DEMOLITION. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE HOUSE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PROPOSAL TO GO TO D R C. AND IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD, UM, ASK THE APPLICANT TO REVIEW THE HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES IN, UH, RELATIVE TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND WE WILL LOOK FOR, YES, THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. AND MR. CHAIR, I WANNA, YES, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT IS REALLY APPROPRIATE TO ADD THIS TO, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINA'S COMMENTS 'CAUSE THEY WERE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT A, A COMMENT THAT SHE MADE THAT, THAT [01:20:01] IT, WHAT WHAT IS HISTORIC IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD SOMETIMES CANNOT BE HISTORIC IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY BE RESPECTFUL THAT HISTORY, UH, EXISTS IN, IN, IN EVERYWHERE. AND, AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT IS THE INTEGRITY OF THE STRUCTURE, THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. UH, BUT MOST DEFINITELY NOT THE FACT THAT THIS IS EITHER HISTORIC OR, OR NOT HISTORIC. IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY, UH, UH, OF A HISTORIC QUALITY. JUST LOOKING AT ONE ELEVATION, YOU CAN SEE THE TRUENESS OF THE BUILDING VERSUS ANOTHER ELEVATION WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS THING HAS BEEN JUST, UM, UH, UH, BARNACLED OVER, OVER YEARS. BUT I, BUT I WOULD ASK, UH, THE OFFICE OF PRESERVATION IF, IF YOU HAVE THE MECHANISM OR, OR IF THE MECHANISM IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE ADDED VALUE TO, TO THIS TENANT OR TO THIS, UH, UH, OWNER THAT PERHAPS PHOTOGRAPHS, AND I KNOW THIS FILE EXISTS, BUT MOST DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THAT HELPS TO CREATE THE RECORD, PARTICULARLY AS WE GET INTO THE D R C, IF THERE'S ANY, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS STRUCTURE TO EMERGE OUT OF A NEW DESIGN SO THAT, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GUIDED TOWARD, UM, UM, UM, HONORING THE, THE INTEGRITY OF THIS, UH, BEAUTIFUL LITTLE BUILDING THAT UNFORTUNATELY IS, IS, IS NOT, UM, GONNA MAKE IT. UM, AND IT'S ALSO A GOOD EXAMPLE OF, OF, OF HOW, UM, NOT EVERYTHING IS SAVEABLE. I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. WELL, AND I'LL SAY THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN ALL IN ALL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE DESIGN RESPONSE SHOULD BE, UM, SHOULD RELATE TO THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT. UM, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY AN INTERESTING LITTLE ENCLAVE OF KIND OF VERNACULAR STRUCTURES IN THIS AREA. AND SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD FEATURE THOSE MORE TRADITIONAL FORMS THAT YOU WOULD SEE WITH THOSE STRUCTURES. AND SO WE WILL CERTAINLY BE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. SAVINO? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND STAFF WILL GET WITH YOU AND SCHEDULE THAT. UH, DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 20, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 28. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 1.5 STORY SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE. SURE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH Q WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS. ONE THAT THE NEW WINDOWS BE FULLY WOOD AND INCLUDE THE SPECIFICATIONS LISTED IN FINDING L. ANY NEW WINDOWS SHOULD BE FULLY WOOD OR FEATURE AN INSTEAD OF TWO INCHES WITHIN FACADES. AND SHOULD FEATURE PROFILES THAT ARE FOUND HISTORICALLY WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY WINDOW TRIM MUST FEATURE TRADITIONAL DIMENSIONS AND AN ARCHITECTURE APPROPRIATE SEAL DETAIL. WINDOW TRACK COMPONENTS MUST BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE WINDOW TRIM OR BE CONCEALED BY A WOOD WINDOW. SCREEN SET WITHIN THE OPENING. FAUX DIVIDED LIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED. ALL WINDOWS INSTALLED SHOULD BE, SHOULD FEATURE TRADITIONAL OPERATIONS AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD SUBMIT PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO RETURNING TO H R R C FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ACCURATE DRAWINGS WILL BE SUBMITTED, UM, FOR VERIFICATION BY STAFF. MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR VERIFICATION BY STAFF. UH, NUMBER TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMIT ACCURATE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED REVIEW DECK FOR STAFF REVIEW PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATENESS BASED ON FINDING P NUMBER THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT MEETS ALL SETBACK STANDARDS REQUIRED BY CITY ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND DETAINED A, A VARIANCE FROM THE ABORT OF ADJUSTMENTS IF APPLICABLE. NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY BE SEPARATED FROM THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION BY A LANDSCAPING STRIP AND BE NO MORE THAN 10 FEET IN WIDTH. THE WIDTH OF THE EXISTING CURB CUT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED. A NEW WALKWAY FROM THE SIDEWALK TO THE FRONT PORCH SHOULD BE INSTALLED TO A SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ON SITE. AND NUMBER FIVE, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION WITH HARDY SIDING BASED ON FINDING J. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPLICANT REPLACES SIDING WITH MATERIALS THAT MATCH EXISTING SIDING IN PROFILE DIMENSIONS, MATERIAL, FINISH AND REVEAL A FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO ENSURE THE FOUNDATION SETBACKS AND HEIGHT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN. THE INSPECTION IS TO INCUR AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF FORM WORK AND PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF FOUNDATION MATERIALS. THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO STIPULATIONS TWO, THREE, AND FIVE AND IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT [01:25:01] ONE AND FOUR. THE APPLICANT, DOMINIQUE MILES AND CONTRACTORS, CRYSTAL ROSE, ARE HERE IN PERSON. GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. DOMINIQUE MILES. I AM REPRESENTING MY MOTHER, DOHA GOFORTH. I COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. AND THIS IS MY CONTRACTOR, CRYSTAL ROSE. HELLO. AND JUST ON THE PARKING, UM, SITUATION, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, UM, I HAD A CHANCE TO GO OVER AND SPEAK WITH THE PARKING DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY. AND I'M FINE WITH THE DRIVEWAY, HOW IT IS JUST COMING STRAIGHT IN THE SIDEWALK, COMING STRAIGHT DOWN. WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT EXACTLY HOW IT WAS BEFORE AND WE GOT MORE CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE SOMEBODY TOLD ME THAT YOU COULDN'T BACK OUT INTO A BUSY STREET. SO I WENT BACK OVER THERE AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THIS DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. SO WE GOT IT ALL CLEARED UP AND I GOT THE CODE AND EVERYTHING FROM THEM. SO WE'RE OKAY. OH, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND NO, THE NEW DRIVEWAY WILL BE EXACTLY HOW THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS NOW, SO NOTHING WILL CHANGE THE 10 FEET STRAIGHT DOWN. OH. AND THE WOOD WINDOWS WERE GOOD. WE GOT AN ESTIMATE FOR THOSE. AND ALL I JUST WANNA SAY IS I MIGHT BRING ONE OTHER ESTIMATE 'CAUSE IT WAS KIND OF SCARY THAT NUMBER , BUT OTHER THEY WILL STILL STAY THE EXACT SAME AS WE JUST WANNA GET ANOTHER BID ON WOOD WINDOWS, IF THAT'S OKAY. MM-HMM. , WE, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY USING WINDOW CLAD INSTEAD OF THE FULLY WOOD, IF THAT IS AN OPTION FOR US, DEPENDING ON THE, DEPENDING ON THE PRICING THAT COMES ON IN. OKAY. SO BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WE'RE GOOD WITH 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE. YES. AND THEN ON ONE YOU'D LIKE THE OPTION FOR, UH, ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD WINDOWS, CORRECT? DEPENDING ON COSTS AND BUDGET, YES. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. YES. UH, IN THE PRESENTATION THE CITY GAVE, THEY, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, A HARDY BOARD AND IT SOUNDED LIKE, LIKE THERE'S SOME EXISTING WOOD THAT YOU WERE GONNA MAINTAIN OR YOU WERE GONNA REUSE. YES. SO FOR THE DECONSTRUCTION PART OF THE PROJECT, WE ARE GONNA USE SOME OF THE, UM, THE SIDING THAT IS UNDERNEATH THIS SIDING THAT IS SALVAGEABLE. AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT AT THE PEAKS, UH, IN FRONT OF THE HOME. WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WOOD WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SALVAGE. SO I'M ASSUMING WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE ENOUGH FOR THOSE TWO AREAS. OKAY. NOW LET ME, LET ME UH, ASK ABOUT THE BURNT PART. THE, ABOUT THE HOUSE BEING BURNED. IT IT, IS IT A BURNED HOUSE THAT WAS YOUR HOUSE OR IS IT A BURN HOUSE THAT YOU PURCHASED? THE, THE, IT WAS A BURN HOUSE. THAT WAS OUR HOUSE, CORRECT. OKAY. MY MOTHER'S HOUSE. OKAY. THEN I'M GONNA ASK THE C THE CITY SIDE MM-HMM. , UH, W WITH, WITH RESPECT TO A HOUSE THAT BURNS, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE AN, AN INVESTMENT IN YOUR HOUSE. YOU, YOU MAYBE PAID YOUR HOUSE OFF AND THEN YOUR HOUSE BURNS. RIGHT? SO NOW THERE'S A LAYER OF REGULATION ON TOP OF, UH, WHAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO. AND, AND I IMAGINE THAT SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH FINANCIAL CAPABILITY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HARDY BOARD VERSUS, SO, SO A PERSON BUILDING A HOUSE IS SOLVING ONE PROBLEM. THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THEMSELVES A HOUSE, RIGHT? BUT A PERSON HAVING TO UNINTENDED EXPENSE BECAUSE THEIR HOUSE BURNED DOWN. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THAT THE CITY MAKES WITH RESPECT TO, OR ANY CONSIDERATION THAT WE CAN MAKE WITH RESPECT TO, UM, UH, UH, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION? LIKE IF WE LOOK AT IT THROUGH AN EQUITY LENS, THE, THE WHAT IT, WHAT CONSTRUCTION COSTS NOW? RIGHT? SO HARDY BOARD DONE THE WAY THAT YOU RECOMMEND VERSUS TO REQUIRE WOOD THROUGHOUT, UH, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS WHAT IT ENDS UP BEING. RIGHT? SO 'CAUSE 'CAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING THAT, THAT THE, THE ORIGINAL OR THAT THE, THAT THAT O P'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S ALL WOOD. CORRECT. AND THERE IS A FINDING IN THERE ABOUT THE WOOD SIDING AND THE TYPE OF WOOD SIDING THAT IT CURRENTLY HAS. UM, THAT TYPE OF SIDING IS, UM, I BELIEVE ONE 17. AND IT'S COMMONLY FOUND IN BIG BOX STORES. IT IS, IT IS AFFORDABLE. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE DO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE WANTING TO KEEP THAT HISTORIC, UM, CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT. OKAY. NOW LET, LET ME ASK YOU, UH, APPLICANT SOMETHING. IS, IS THE FOUNDATION GONNA BE A [01:30:01] NEW FOUNDATION OR IS THERE GONNA BE A WOOD FOUNDATION? I MEAN, A CONCRETE FOUNDATION OR A WOOD FOUNDATION? IT'LL BE A REGULAR MONOLITHIC OH, SLAB GRADE. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. THE REASON I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE IF, IF IT, IF IT'S POST ON BEAMS, THEN CLEARLY WOOD IS, IS BEST. IF IT'S ON CONCRETE, THEN IT AFFORDS YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, AGAIN, A MONOLITHIC SIDE AS WELL IN, IN, IN THAT CEMENTITIOUS BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN A HOUSE BENDS THAT STUFF CRACKS, RIGHT? MM-HMM. . BUT IF IT'S A CONCRETE FOUNDATION. WELL, VERY GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR MM-HMM. ANSWERS. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH ANY MORE QUESTIONS, WAS THERE A VOICEMAIL? YES, THERE'S ONE VOICEMAIL. HELLO, MY NAME IS VALERIE CORTEZ AND I RESIDE AT 5 0 8 LAMAR STREET WITH INDIGNITY HILL. I'M CALLING ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP THE CONCERNED CITIZENS OF DIG WITTY HILL WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER 2022 DASH 4 28, LOCATED AT 1614 EAST HOUSTON STREET. WE AGREE WITH O P'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND ARE CURIOUS ABOUT THE SEPARATE SMALL STRUCTURE SEEN ON PAGE 31 OF THE APPLICATION. WHAT IS THE STRUCTURE? IS IT A STORAGE SHED? IF YES, WHERE IS THE DESIGN FOR THIS STRUCTURE? WE'VE ALSO POSED THIS QUESTION AT THE APPLICANT'S LAST H D R C PRESENTATION. IS THIS, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SECOND STORY TO THIS STRUCTURE, OR ARE THE FRONT FACING GABLES WITH THE WINDOWS STRICTLY ORNAMENTAL? THANK YOU, UM, TO ANSWER, SO IT'LL BE A ONE AND A HALF STORY, AND THE UPSTAIRS IS HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOT, 200, 200 SQUARE SQUARE FEET, WHICH WILL HAVE A LOFT WITH THREE TWIN BEDS IN IT. UM, AND THAT STORAGE SHED YOU SEE THERE, THAT IS TO STORE THE LAWNMOWER SO THAT MY WONDERFUL 16 YEAR OLD SON CAN COME AND CUT THE GRASS. I WILL MOST LIKELY PURCHASE THAT STORAGE SHED FROM HOME DEPOT AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST GET ONE OF THOSE OVER THERE AND GET APPROVAL FROM YOU, OF COURSE, BEFORE I PURCHASE IT. SO, UM, AS FAR AS THE DESIGN GOES, WE SUBMITTED SOME LATE DRAWINGS THAT I TOOK THE STRUCTURE AWAY SINCE WE'RE GONNA DECIDE TO POSSIBLY GO WITH A HOME DEPOT TYPE OF STRUCTURE LATER ON DOWN THE LINE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR SIZES OF, UM, STORAGE BUILDINGS THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE. UM, IT'S REALLY ABOUT SORT OF THE PERMANENCE OF THEM. AND SO FOR LIKE A HOME DEPOT SHED THAT IS JUST ON SKIDS OR CINDER BLOCKS WITHOUT A FOUNDATION THAT'S USUALLY HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? I WOULD DO A MOTION, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER GRU, DO A MOTION IF THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, UH, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS AS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO EVERYTHING. WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU MODIFY, UH, STIPULATION NUMBER ONE TO ALLOW FOR ALUMINUM CLAN? OH, YES. SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REMINDING ME. YES. ON STIPULATION ONE, I THINK I WOULD ALLOW FOR, LET'S JUST DO A STIPULATION THAT THE FINAL WINDOW MATERIAL BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF A SPECIFICATION, SORRY, AND MATERIAL. AND WE WOULD ACCEPT, UH, BE OPEN TO ALUMINUM WOOD CLAN SECOND. MM-HMM. MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANNA SAY THAT MS. DOMINIC HAS REALLY BEEN A PLEASURE. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS NOT SOMETHING SHE DOES PROFESSIONALLY. I THINK SHE'S WORKED REALLY WELL AND UNDERSTANDING AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE COME FROM AND REALLY WORK TOGETHER. YEP. AND YOUR MOTHER, I THINK SHE'S SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS TOO. SO WE LOOK, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA COME BACK, BUT YEAH, ANYTHING, YEAH, SHE'LL BE BACK AT THE END. , MR. CHAIR? YES. I'D ALSO LIKE TO GIVE CREDIT TO YOU AND, AND YOUR TEAM THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS FOR THE SAME REASONS, BUT YOU'VE TAKEN A, UM, A CHALLENGING SITUATION AND A AND A, UM, DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH THE FIRE AND GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH STAFF AND D R C MULTIPLE TIMES AND WE'RE RESPONSIVE. AND THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, INFILL HAPPENS IN THESE SENSITIVE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I, UM, COMPLIMENT YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND THANK YOUR MOTHER. THANK YOU. THANKS GUYS. MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO, TO ASK MAYBE TO MAKE THE MOTION OR TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE US CONSIDER THE HARDY BOARD SOLUTION, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT'S ON A CONCRETE FOUNDATION AND THAT THE MOST RECENT PAST ELEVATION IS ALUMINUM ON THAT WOOD, SO THAT SURE. THE FAMILY'S USED TO A LONGER PROFILE. UM, BUT IT, IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT, I THINK IT, IT LOANS ITSELF TO SPEAKING A BIT OF THE VOCABULARY OF TODAY. AND, UM, AND THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION WOULD ENSURE THAT THOSE BOARDS ARE NICE AND STRAIGHT AND THAT, THAT THEY'RE TURNED, UH, ON THEIR FLAT FACE. BUT IT ALSO IS THE DESIRE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE APPLICANT TO HAVE, UH, THIS MATERIAL. I'M SURE IT'S INTENTIONAL AND IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. IT'S A HOUSE THAT WAS BURNT DOWN, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID, HEY, LET'S BUILD A HOUSE, BUT [01:35:01] YOU, YOU KNOW, TO A LARGE EXTENT, MAYBE IT'S A CONSTELLATION FOR, UM, AN UNEXPECTED EXPENSE. I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I, IF I HESITATE TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION, BUT, SO I'M NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MOTION, BUT I ALWAYS LEAVE IT OPEN TO THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK IF SHE WISHES TO CHANGE THE MATERIAL. I THINK SHE HAS COMPLIED WITH IT. I THINK SHE'S AGREED TO THE DE CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT IS US IN THIS HOUSE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE, WHEN YOU FIND OUT HOW MUCH YOU CAN USE AND HOW MUCH IS, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE SOME OF THE BACK, BUT AS OF NOW, I THINK THE MOTIONS TO STAND AS IS BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO THE DESIRE OF THEIR PROJECT TO, UM, REUSE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FROM THE OLD HISTORIC PROPERTY. AND TO SHOW MY AUNT MARY THAT IT IS STILL INTACT, IT'S THERE FOR HER. SO, YES, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. I REALLY DO. SO LET'S JUST SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT, WHEN WE TAKE IT DOWN AND PRAY, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MAY YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? GIBBS? AYE. FISH? OH, I'M SORRY. UH, SUBPOENA. AYE. VELASQUEZ? AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP? AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER, WE LOSE. COMMISSIONER BAKER, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE, UH, FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU AND YOUR MOTHER AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM FOR THANK BRINGING THIS PROPERTY BACK. WE WILL, WE WILL. IT'S GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL. AGENDA ITEM 21. ITEM 21 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 56 1 14 DEBERRY STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ON THE VACANT LOT AT ONE 14. DEBERRY STAFF RECOMMENDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL BASED ON FINDINGS. A THROUGH T STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO PURSUING FINAL APPROVAL FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES ENTRANCE MASSING AND ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT. AS NOTED IN FINDING E THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES PROPOSED MASSING AND SCALE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. IN PARTICULAR, INCORPORATING AN OVERALL BUILDING WIDTH OR ARRANGEMENT OF BAYS THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AS NOTED IN FINDING F THREE, THAT THE APPLICANT INCORPORATES A FOUNDATION HEIGHT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AS NOTED IN FINDING G FOUR, THAT IN PLACE OF THE SHED ROOF FORM ON THE PRIMARY ELEVATION THE APPLICANT IN INCORPORATE A ROOF FORM THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND HISTORIC EXAMPLES FOUND THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT IS NOTED IN FINDING H THAT IS NOTED IN FINDING I THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOFS FEATURE PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIM TRIDGE SEAM AND STANDARD GAL BLOOM FINISH PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VENTED RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED THAT A WOOD OR ALUMINUM CLOUD WOOD WINDOW CONSISTENT WITH THE STAFF STANDARDS FOR WINDOWS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION BE INSTALLED IS NOTED IN THE APPLICABLE CITATIONS AND IN FINDING K THAT THE APPLICANT AMENDS THE PROPOSED FETA FENESTRATION PROFILE AND INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL WINDOW OPENINGS THROUGHOUT THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AS NOTED IN FINDING M PROPOSED WINDOW SHOULD FEATURE A ONE OVER ONE PROFILE EIGHT, THAT THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE ELEMENT IN FRONT PORCH BE AMENDED TO FEATURE TRADITIONAL PORCH MASSING IS NOTED IN FINDING O NINE THAT THE PROPOSED FRONT LOADING GARAGE BE ELIMINATED AND PARKING BE LOCATED ELSEWHERE ON SITE IS NOTED IN FINDING P 10 THAT A FRONT WALKWAY CONSTRUCTED OF MATERIALS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER WALKWAYS IN THE DISTRICT BE INSTALLED. AS NOTED IN FINDING P 11, THAT A DE A DETAILED LANDSCAPING PLAN BE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW THAT ADHERES TO THE GUIDELINES FOR SITE ELEMENTS. AS NOTED IN FINDING Q 12, THAT ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT BE SCREENED FROM VIEW, UH, FROM VIEW FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS NOTED IN FINDING SS 13 THAT FENCING DETAILS BE SUBMITTED TO STAFF FENCING IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS REVIEW. 14 ARCHEOLOGY AN ARCHEOLOGICAL INVESTIGATION IS REQUIRED IF EXCAVATIONS ARE NECESSARY. NEAR THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, IMPACTS TO THE UPPER LABOR OF SEIA SHOULD BE AVOIDED. THE PROJECT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS REGARDING ARCHEOLOGY AS APPLICABLE, A FOUNDATION INSPECTION IS TO BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF TO ENSURE THAT FOUNDATION SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED DESIGN. THE INSPECTION IS TO OCCUR AFTER THE INSTALLATION OF FORM WORK AND PRIOR TO INSTALLATION OF FOUNDATION MATERIALS INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE START OF WORK ON THE STANDING SEA METAL ROOF TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. UM, I HAVE, UH, APPLICANT'S ANDREA LONGORIA AND JIM TOFOYA IN PERSON [01:40:01] AND ALSO NOTE THAT, UM, THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME LATE EXHIBITS OF, UM, INTENT TO MEET SOME OF, SOME ARE ALL OF THE STIPULATIONS. UM, SO WE CAN GO THROUGH WHAT WAS SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY OR, UM, ALLOW THEM TO PRESENT ON THE NEW PLANS. GOOD AFTERNOON. SO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. SURE. JIM TAFOYA. AND, UH, WE, I AM THE BUILDER AND, UM, DESIGNER, ANDREA LONGORIA. HI. HELLO. IF YOU'D LIKE TO, UH, ADDRESS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. YES. I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS WE'VE MADE SOME, UH, SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS, I THINK TO THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO MAYBE JUST GIVE A, A BACKGROUND ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. I THINK WE'RE, UM, ABOUT A YEAR NOW. THIS ACTUALLY CAME, UH, BEFORE YOU, UM, AND PREVIOUS CONTRACTOR BUILDER, UH, ARCHITECT AND THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE, UH, MET. THEY DID A LOT OF WORK. UH, THEN FOR SOME REASON, UH, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE A DIS DISTANCE AND COMMUNICATION THING, UH, WITH THE ARCHITECT THAT WASN'T ABLE TO COMPLETELY, UH, PUT THE FOCUS AND, AND TIME INTO THIS PROJECT. SO THAT WAS KIND OF, UM, LET GO. SO WE PICKED THIS PROJECT UP, WE MET WITH THE, UM, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVES, AND WE PICKED IT UP. AND SO WE TOOK WHAT WAS, UM, ALREADY EXISTING. WE WENT THROUGH THE PREVIOUS, UM, H D R C MEETING, I THINK IS BACK IN JULY OF, UH, 22. UH, SO WHAT WE DID, ANDREA AND I, WE WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE VIDEO SCOPE. WE TOOK NOTES, UH, LOOKED AT A LOT OF THE, UH, ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS. WE MADE NOTES. WE ACTUALLY WENT BY THE SITE, WENT BY THE, UH, THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TO KIND OF FAMILIARIZE OURSELF WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, UH, IN BETWEEN THAT TIME WE GOT THE, UH, OWNERS INTO THE OFFICE. WE WORKED WITH THEM HAND IN HAND TO KIND OF, THIS IS THEIR LAST AND FOREVER HOME. SO WE KIND OF WENT WITH THEM AND, UH, TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR LAST WISHES WERE ON THEIR LAST AND FINAL HOME. WELL, NOT LAST WISHES, BUT ANYHOW, IT'S JUST THEIR FINAL WISHES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THEIR, THEIR BEST WISHES FOR THEIR LAST AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, BUILD AND, AND HOME. ANYHOW, SO, UH, A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH. I THINK JESSICA'S ALSO BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US OUT, JUST OKAY. MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THESE GUIDELINES HERE AND THERE. SO I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS PROBABLY START WITH THE FINISHED PLANS, UM, AND, UH, START WITH THAT AND JUST KIND OF, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT, UH, WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS WAS WHEN WE WERE, UH, PUTTING THIS, THIS WHOLE DESIGN TOGETHER. SO, UM, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE, UM, SORRY. YEAH, SURE, SURE. SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE, UM, ELEVATION HERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED OUT, UH, OF WHAT THE PROJECT INTENDS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND SO AGAIN, THIS IS, UH, VERY, UH, I'M GONNA SAY IT'S, UH, NOT AS SIMILAR BUT SOMEWHAT SIMILAR. UM, WE PUT A LOT OF TIME IN DRIVING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKING ELEMENTS FROM OTHER HOMES TO KIND OF INCORPORATE INTO THIS WHOLE THING. AND SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS WHOLE THING STARTED, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE, THE, THE NEW OWNERS KIND OF WANTED, UH, IN THEIR, IN THEIR HOMES. SO THIS IS JUST A QUICK LITTLE RENDERING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE. UH, THIS IS A VICINITY MAP. SO IT'S, UH, SITS OFF OF, UH, 2 81 AND, UH, JUST, UH, ON THE, UH, EAST SIDE OF 2 81. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE OR NEXT PAGE, PLEASE. IN, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SIZE, I WANTED TO PUT THIS HERE AS FAR AS THE DIMENSIONS AND WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH ON THE RIGHT LEFT SIDE AND ON THE FRONT END REAR SIDE. UM, ALSO THE, UH, 10 FOOT DRIVEWAY THAT WE HAVE WITH THE, UH, 12 FOOT APPROACH, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN. SO, UH, NEXT ONE, NEXT PAGE PLEASE. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY HOW THE, UM, WE TOOK THE SURVEY AND JUST KIND OF POPPED THE, UH, STRUCTURE AND WHAT IT WOULD, UH, LOOK LIKE. YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING SHAPE, SO IT'S A PARALLELOGRAM. SO WE TRY TO KIND OF INCORPORATE AS MUCH AS DETAIL AS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS HISTORICAL GOES, UH, INTO THIS WHOLE THING, BUT ALSO HAVING TO WORK WITHIN THE REALMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE SHAPE. SO, UM, NEXT, UH, PAGE PLEASE. AND THIS IS A BASIC DIMENSION DRAWING HERE OF WHAT, UH, WHAT THE, UH, LAYOUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S, UH, COMPLETED, FINISHED. AND THE NEXT PAGE. [01:45:01] AND HERE'S THE, UH, WEST AND, UH, EAST ELEVATIONS ADDRESSING PLEA HEIGHTS. WE WERE SURE TO MAKE SURE TO, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, I THINK PER PREVIOUS, UH, I GUESS H C R C MEETINGS, SOME OF THE PLATE HEIGHTS WERE NOT INCLUDED. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE 'EM HERE SO CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT, UH, WHAT THESE ARE. OKAY, NEXT PAGE. AND HERE'S YOUR NORTH AND, UH, SOUTH ELEVATIONS AND THE NEXT PAGE. AND THEN WE, UH, WINDOWS, UH, WAS SOMETHING THAT KEPT COMING UP IN CONVERSATIONS AND IN TRYING TO MEET IN ALL THE ELEMENTS, UH, AS FAR AS WINDOWS AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT SOME WINDOWS OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE, WE WERE BEING SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT WHAT WAS, UH, IS ALREADY OUT THERE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND OF COURSE WINDOW SCHEDULES AND MORE WINDOW SCHEDULES HERE AND SOME FINISHES. AND IS THAT THE LAST OF THE PAGE? AND OF COURSE, A ROOF PLAN HERE, AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING SYSTEM. OH YEAH, THE LANDSCAPE. SO ROOF PLAN AGAIN, IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAYED WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE ROOF PITCHES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITHIN THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN. SO AGAIN, SO WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THESE, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO BEST, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. AND SO WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION FROM, FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UM, NOTES, UM, WORKING WITH THE O H P, SO, UH, AND JUST TRYING TO PUT THIS WHOLE PROJECT TOGETHER. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMEWHAT, UM, ADDRESSES THE POINTS, THE, UM, THE POINTS THAT, UH, WERE BROUGHT UP IN AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE TRY TO NAIL AS MUCH OF THOSE DOWN. SO, UM, AT THIS POINT I'D OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS AS FAR THE DESIGN GOES. WE DO PUBLIC COMMENT NEXT. YES, WE DO HAVE SOME CITIZENS TO BE HEARD. SO, UM, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK UP TO THE PODIUM AFTER THEY'VE SURE. SPOKEN. JUST WE DON'T HAVE VOICEMAILS, RIGHT? JUST THE IN PERSON SPEAKERS. OKAY. NO VOICEMAILS. SO LET'S HAVE CHRIS, UH, CHRISTAL COME UP. UH, MR. CHRISTAL SHOULD RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. I HAVE ROBIN, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T READ THAT. OKAY. AND, UM, NELSON NORMAN HAVE YIELD, HAVE YIELDED THEIR TIME TO CHRIS. UM, I WANNA, MY NAME IS CHRIS CRYSTAL. I'M AT 6 7 7 EAST WOODLAWN. UH, MY HOUSE IS JUST SOUTH OF, UH, THIS HOUSE. I WANNA START BY SAYING I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THESE, I THOUGHT I SAW THE NEWEST, UM, THE NEWEST DESIGN, BUT THERE IS ONE ON HERE THAT REALLY, UH, CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN BRING IT UP JUST REAL QUICK, JUST SO WE CAN MAYBE PUT A, UM, AN EYE ON IT. IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S THE THIRD ONE DOWN. UH, SO THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN. AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY A, UM, UM, IT'S GOT THE, A TRUE SURVEY ON IT. HERE WE ARE. I, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT DOTTED LINE IS THE FENCE LINE OR WHAT THAT DOTTED LINE IS, BUT THAT SHOW'S ACTUALLY TOUCHING THE HOUSE. SO, UM, LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. BUT, UH, ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. IT'S WASN'T PART OF MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS, BUT AS WATCHING THAT, JUST A LITTLE CONCERNING. UM, JUST 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS. UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PIECES HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THESE WERE SUBMITTED, BUT I MENTIONED THESE ARE, WERE SUBMITTED AS LATE EXHIBITS TODAY BY THE APPLICANT. OKAY, I MISSED THAT. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. UM, I WANNA START OFF BY SAYING I AGREE WITH THE STAFF'S, UM, YOU KNOW, STIPULATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND I THANK THEM FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL. UH, MY WIFE AND I SAVED FOR YEARS TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE BACKYARD OF OUR HOME. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE MOVED IN WAS THE BACKYARD. IT'S GOT A COVERED PORCH. IT'S A TECHNICALLY A GREAT VIEW OF 2 81. UH, NOT A GREAT VIEW, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF OUR LITTLE SANCTUARY. WE'VE GOT BACKYARD CHICKENS, WE HAVE GARDENS, WE'VE GOT DOGS. WE REALLY LIVE IN OUR BACKYARD. IT'S OUR SECOND LIVING ROOM. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS BUILD IS IT'S KIND OF INVITING ITSELF INTO MY SECOND LIVING ROOM ON A FEW DIFFERENT FRONTS. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I FULLY AGREE WITH, OR IN FACT, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT GO A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND SOME MAY ECHO A LITTLE BIT. AND I'LL TRY TO, TO BE BRIEF HERE AND, UM, AND NOT TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME. [01:50:01] UM, IN THE BUILDING AND ENTRANCE ORIENTATION, THE FIRST SECTION OF THE, UM, GUIDELINES, THERE IS A NOT THIS SECTION, AND IT REFERS TO BALCONIES. THE REAR FACING SECOND FLOOR BALCONY IS ESSENTIALLY A BIRD'S EYE VIEW INTO FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. SO THE WAY THIS PLACE IS, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE MAP THAT YOU BROUGHT UP A SECOND AGO OF THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF LIKE THE CITY. SO THIS DOESN'T REALLY SHOW EXACTLY, BUT I'M IN THAT, WHERE THAT 98 10 IS. AND THEN THERE IS, UM, 2 0 3 LINDELL, 2 0 9 LINDELL, AND THEN 9 58 MISSILE TOW JUST TO THE NORTH. THAT REAR FACING, EAST FACING BALCONY ESSENTIALLY WOULD JUST PEER IN BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE FENCE LINE. IT WOULD JUST BE, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY SAT ON THAT PORCH, HEY, HOW YOU DOING? I'M IN MY BACKYARD. UM, AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS I WAS READING THROUGH THE GUIDELINES, AND I COULD BE WRONG. I'M NO ARCHITECT, I'M NO DESIGNER. I'VE NEVER BEEN A NIMBY, I'VE NEVER GONE UP AND SPOKE AGAINST THE PROPERTY. AND I WILL SAY THAT I'M NOT AGAINST HAVING A HOUSE BEHIND MY HOUSE. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CONCERN ME AS A CITIZEN AND GOING THROUGH SOME OF THESE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOME OF THE GUIDELINES. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, TO, THAT I FOUND WAS, UM, THE, THERE, THERE IS A, UM, IT, IT READS A LINE FOUNDATION IN FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS, INCLUDING PORCHES AND BALCONIES WITHIN ONE FOOT OF FLOOR TO FLOOR HEIGHTS ON ADJACENT HISTORIC STRUCTURES REAR FACING BAL UH, UH, EXCEEDS. UH, SO MY, MY MY, UM, COMMENT ON THAT IS REAR FACING BALCONY EXCEEDS ADJACENT BUILDING'S HEIGHT 'CAUSE THERE ARE NONE. AND IT'S OUTTA CHARACTER, UH, WITH ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERISTICS. MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THE SECOND FLOOR REAR FACING BALCONY THAT HAS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW INTO FOUR DIFFERENT PROPERTIES. UM, THE SECOND COMMENT IS, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE, BUT HOPE I DON'T RUN OUT. UM, THE, UH, NEXT COMMENT I HAVE IS, UH, THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, KIND OF THE SHEER SIZE AND SCALE DON'T SEEM TO CONFORM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, CHARACTERISTICS. IT JUST REALLY TAKES UP THE ENTIRETY OF THE SPACE. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS LIKE THE MATERIALS, UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY ODD MIX OF MATERIALS. IT LOOKS LIKE ROOFING A SIDING. I'M NOT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, NOT A DESIGNER, BUT IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY HOUSE THAT LOOKS ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND LIKE I SAID, MY WIFE AND I SAVED UP FOR YEARS TO MOVE IN. ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOVE IS THE ECLECTIC STYLE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD GO IN STONE OAK OR SOMETHING. BUT, UM, SO NO OFFENSE TO STONE OAK, I JUST NOT WHERE I LIVE. UH, I, I LIKE VISITING. UH, SO SOME OF THE THINGS IS THAT THE GARAGE IS ONE OF MY, UM, OUR WINDOWS AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED. TOTALLY AGREE. THE GARAGE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT KIND OF DOESN'T FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ASIDE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY, I REALLY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TANDEM STYLE GARAGE. IT LOOKS REALLY WEIRD AND I THINK IT TAKES UP TOO MUCH OF THE FOOTPRINT. I THINK THAT THE BUILDER OR THE, UM, THE NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, OCCUPANTS OF THE WOULD BE BETTER SUITED CHANGING THE LAYOUT OF THE HOUSE AND HAVING A BETTER HOUSE THAT FITS IN THE, UM, IN INSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE LOT AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO SQUEEZE IN THIS WEIRD LINEAR, UH, DOOR ON THE FRONT AND BACK TANDEM GARAGE. IT JUST DOESN'T, IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. SO THAT'S LIKE ONE THING. IT'S EITHER TO REMOVE IT, MAKE IT A SINGLE CAR, SET FURTHER BACK, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. IT'S A REALLY WEIRD SHAPED LOT, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY FIT A GARAGE BEHIND IT. UM, THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION. BUT I THINK ONE THAT DOESN'T KIND OF MAKE IT TO WHERE THE GARAGE IS, THE FRONT I, IN MY HOUSE, IF YOU LOOKED AT GOOGLE MAPS, I HAVE A GARAGE THAT FACES THE FRONT. I'M SPEAKING AGAINST MY OWN HOUSE. I DON'T LIKE MY GARAGE IN THE FRONT. I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE MY PERSONAL GARAGE. UM, SO ANYWAY, SO IF SOMEONE SAYS, OH, YOU'VE GOT ONE. I KNOW I HATE IT. SO ANYWAY, UH, DON'T WANNA ADD ANYMORE . UM, AND THEN THE ONE THING THAT I WILL WANT TO ADD TO THIS AND WITH MY FINAL 37 SECONDS, UM, THE FENCE, THE FENCE IS NOT IN THE PLANS, BUT I DO SEE A GATE OF SOME SORT ON THE FENCE. AND SO I APPRECIATE THE KIND OF ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENT THAT I HEARD TODAY, UM, WITH, UM, O H P STAFF TO SAY, UH, WE NEED SOME FENCE, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF THE FENCE BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE SOME SORT OF A DEAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE PLANNING ON HAVING A SIX FOOT FENCE GOING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, WHETHER OR AUTOMATIC GATE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT THIS OPEN OF THE FENCE AND ALL THAT REALLY SEEMS OUTTA CHARACTER AND, UH, INAPPROPRIATE IN MY PERSONAL OPINION. UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AND NOT THE CONSENT OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, DUE TO THE MAJOR AND, UM, LENGTHY RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. NAILED IT. . BARBARA WHIT, HOW YOU'RE OUR LAST SPEAKER, RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BARBARA WHITT. HOW, AND I'M THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE RIVER ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE, WHICH IS OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. AND THE FIRST COMMENT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT I THINK IT'S REALLY INAPPROPRIATE. I THOUGHT WE HAD SETTLED THIS, THAT LATE SUBMISSIONS WERE NOT GONNA BE ACCEPTED BECAUSE WE HAD NO IDEA OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED. AND WE'VE MET A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THIS RECENTLY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET NOTIFIED OF THAT. WE USE THE ESSAY SPEAK UP, WHAT'S ON THERE. AND SO I THINK WE NEED, UH, MY SUGGESTION [01:55:01] IS, IS THAT WE POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, UH, THE RIVER ROAD HISTORIC RESOURCES COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE ITEM, UH, 21 CASE 20 23, 1 56. AND, UH, WE SUPPORT THE COMMISSION GRAND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL ON NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS HOME IN, UH, RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT USING THE RECENTLY ADOPTED 2022 CITY OF SAN ANTONIO'S OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS GUIDELINES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE BELIEVE ADDITIONAL INPUT IS NECESSARY TO GRANT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND SUPPORT THE O H P STATUS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND STIPULATIONS AS PROVIDED IN THEIR APPLICABLE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STIPULATIONS BASED ON THE PLANS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE. UM, AS A RIVER ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS VERY FEW, LOTS SUITABLE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. WE THANK THE O H P STAFF FOR PROVIDING US WITH SUPPORT AND TRAINING USING THESE NEW GUIDELINES. UH, THEY ACTUALLY HELPED US, WE GOT PRINTS OVER AT LANIER. THEY COST $2 A OF A, YOU KNOW, A BOOK. AND, UH, WE, AND ACTUALLY, UH, JESSICA ANDERSON WAS REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL IN TRAINING US. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT BY F Y I FOR OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AND WE ALSO WANNA THANK COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO SAN ANTONIO'S PRESERVATION OF OUR HISTORIC ASSETS. WITH YOUR PARTICIPATION ON THIS VERY VALUABLE COMMISSION, I REALLY, I, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BUSINESS OF THESE LATE DRAWINGS. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT ON EARTH WE COULD HAVE. WE CAN'T, IT'S KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. I MEAN, I I I THOUGHT WE HAD TO CHANGE THAT FOR SOME REASON. WELL, SO I'M AT A LOSS JUST, BUT THANK YOU. CLARIFY WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED AND I'LL I'LL SAY WHAT THE POLICY IS AFTER YOU DO THAT. SURE. SO THE ONLY DISCERNIBLE DIFFERENCES I CAN FIND BETWEEN WHAT WAS SHOWN TODAY AND WHAT WAS SUBMITTED AS THE PUBLIC CASE FILE IS THAT THEY ADDED THINGS LIKE PLATE HEIGHT. THEY ADDED THAT 25 FOOT, WHICH IS IN RELATION TO THE SETBACK. UM, I THINK CHRIS MENTIONED THAT. UM, SO THEY REALLY JUST ANNOTATED THE EXISTING PLANS. I CANNOT FIND ANY OTHER CHANGES IMMEDIATELY. AND SO COMMISSIONERS YOU'LL RECALL, WE DO DISCUSS THIS IN OUR TRAINING. UM, AND WE CERTAINLY DISCOURAGE CHANGES TO THE DESIGN FROM WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, BUT MANY TIMES APPLICANTS WILL WANT TO UPDATE THE DRAWINGS FOR THE HEARING TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE EITHER RESPONDING TO STAFF STIPULATIONS, UM, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE ADDING DETAIL. AND I THINK THE DETAIL THING IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED HERE, UM, WITH THE ADDED ANNOTATIONS. UM, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS POSTED. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP TO THE PODIUM AND DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE TO WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, UM, STATED? UH, WE, WE DO. AND SO, UM, ANDREA, I'LL LET YOU, UM, GO AHEAD AND UH, IF WE CAN PULL UP THE FILE PHOTOS. UM, ACTUALLY IT'S UNDER, IT'S UM, COST GARAGE COST TO BE VERY . WOULDN'T LET YOU TALK ABOUT GARAGES. START WITH. OKAY. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ADDRESSED AND ASKED TO BE REMOVED WAS THE GARAGE. UM, IN FACT, JULY, 2022 AND ONE OF THE LAST HEARINGS. UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY LOVED IN THAT DESIGN. SO KIND OF CRAZY, WE'RE GETTING A 180 RIGHT NOW. BUT WE DID CONFIRM. WE DID FIND, UM, FRONT FACING VIEWED GARAGES. UM, WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT OUR GARAGE SITS BACK MORE THAN 15 FEET, WHICH IS CONSIDERED NOT VISIBLE FROM RIGHT OF WAY. UM, AND THEN THE PURE REASON FOR THE TANDEM IS REALLY JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT. THERE'S NOT A LOT, A LOT FOR US TO DO A A TWO CAR GARAGE. THEY DO HAVE TWO VEHICLES, UM, AND STORAGE. THAT WAS THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT. UM, HE KAYAKS, SO HE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP HIS LARGE EQUIPMENT IN HIS GARAGE AS WELL. UM, THE GARAGE ITSELF WOULD MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS BASED OFF OF, UM, THE GUIDELINES FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE SEVEN, SEVEN DIFFERENT PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, VISIBLE RIGHT OF WAYS OF FRONT FACING GARAGES, UM, AS WELL AS SIDE VIEW GARAGES THAT WAS CONSIDERED VISIBLE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, SO WE DO FEEL LIKE THE GARAGE STILL IS IN COMPLIANCE. 'CAUSE AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IT DOES SIT FIF MORE THAN 15 BACK, 15 FEET BACK. THE NEXT CONCERN, UM, IS IN REFERENCE TO, UM, THE WINDOWS, IF YOU DON'T MIND SCROLLING DOWN. SO, UM, THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE DIFFERENT ECLECTIC, CONTINUOUS [02:00:01] ECLECTIC STYLE THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE HOMES HAVE NOT ONE CONSISTENT TYPE OF WINDOW. UM, THEY DO HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONSISTENT OR DIFFERENT WINDOWS THROUGHOUT, UM, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO OUR PLAN. WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT STYLE WINDOWS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE HOMEOWNER. AND WE HAVE ABOUT 11 DIFFERENT, UM, HOMES IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. AND, UM, IN FACT THE LAST ONE, UM, 5 37 CRAIG'S PLACE. THIS HOME VERY MUCH FITS THE MASSING, THE CONCEPT, THE WINDOWS, AND THE STYLE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT HOME OR FUTURE HOME WILL BE. UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE HOMES THAT, UM, OUR FUTURE HOMEOWNERS REALLY FELL IN LOVE WITH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND UM, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF OUR, OUR CONCEPT CAME FROM. FOR THIS PARTICULAR HOME. WHAT WAS THE ONE ON THE ROUNDABOUT? UM, THIS ONE AND THEN LINDELL ONE, THE MAIN ONE. LINDELL. OH, LIN. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THIS ONE. OH NO, THIS ONE. THE PAGE. THIS ONE. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO IF YOU GO DOWN, KEEP GOING. AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET ALSO. UM, MASSING WINDOWS, A VERY SIMILAR CONCEPT TO WHAT WE'VE ALSO GOT. UM, THAT PARTICULAR, WHICH ONE? I DON'T, THAT'S THE BEST PICTURE I HAVE. UM, THE NEXT ONE IS IN REFERENCE TO MASSING AND I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO GO UP. UM, SO WE HAVE A SEVERAL DIFFERENT HOMES. UM, AGAIN, THE 5 37 CRAIGS PLACE. UM, WE DO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. UM, WE ARE UNDER A 30 FOOT PLATE HEIGHT. WE DO ALSO HAVE, UM, A ONE AND A HALF STORY HOME THAT IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF US AT 6 6 9 EAST, UM, MISSILE TOE. THAT ALSO IS A TWO STORY HOME WITH A 25 FOOT PLATE HEIGHT. OURS IS AT 24 9. UM, YOU CAN ALSO REFERENCE, UM, 1 1 3 LINDELL, 1 42 ARMOR, UM, 2, 2 9 LINDELL. UM, THOSE ALSO HAVE PRETTY BIG MASSING STYLES. AND THEN AGAIN, WE'RE REFERENCING BACK TO 5 37 CRAIG'S PLACE, UM, WHERE SHE GOT HER INSPIRATION FROM. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ROOFING AND TO ADDRESS ROOFING, UM, AND THE SHED STYLE. UM, ACTUALLY IN OUR PRELIMINARY, A SHED STYLE OVER THE GARAGE WAS RECOMMENDED TO US. UM, SO THAT WE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE AND WE FOUND THAT 7 4 2 EAST WOODLAWN, UM, INCLUDES SIMILAR, UM, ROOFING STYLES AS US WITH THE GABLE HIP ROOF AND SHED, UM, THE SAME COMBINATION AS US. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THESE OTHER FOUR PROPERTIES, UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, THERE'S TWO MORE PROPERTIES. THESE ALL HAVE COMPLEX, UH, ROOF STYLES AS WELL. AND ONE ALSO WITH A GARAGE AND A SHED STYLE ROOF. AND THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ONE, AS FAR AS FRONT FACADE PORCHES, UM, THAT WAS ADDRESSED. WE DID FIND THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DIDN'T HAVE A FRONT PORCH. UM, WE DO STILL HAVE A PORCH AREA, UM, NOT RIGHT OFF THE FRONT DOOR, BUT AGAIN, SIMILAR TO 5 37 EAST CRAIGS PLACE WHERE IT'S OFF TO THE RIGHT WITH A SMALL RETAINING WALL, UM, AGAIN, MIMICKING IS THAT HOUSE BY ACCIDENT AGAIN. UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE REMAINING HOMES ALSO AS WELL DON'T HAVE PORCHES ON THESE PARTICULAR ONES. AND THAT WAS IT. SO WHAT WHAT WE ATTEMPTED TO DO HERE IS WE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, GARAGES, MASSING, PORCH, WINDOWS, ROOF, ALL THE LINE ITEMS THAT WERE, UM, UH, LISTED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO WHAT THIS SAID WERE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR INTO THIS ALREADY, AND WE, UH, [02:05:01] WE'VE, AGAIN, WE'VE DRIVEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WALKED THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE ELEMENTS FROM OTHER PROPERTIES AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO INCORPORATE, UH, SIMILAR FEATURES. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT. ANYTHING JUST OUTRAGEOUSLY CRAZY. YES, WE UNDERSTAND. LOOK, WE'RE HISTORICAL SAN ANTONIO. WE TAKE PRIDE IN SAN ANTONIO AND WE TAKE PRIDE IN BUILDING IN SAN ANTONIO. AND SO, UH, WE, UH, JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEKING THE APPROVAL FOR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WINDOW WISE, THE CLADDING, THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, UM, WE'VE INCORPORATED A LOT OF THOSE THINGS. SO, UM, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPECTFULLY JUST, UM, REQUEST THE, THE APPROVAL OF THIS, THIS PROJECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER QUEZ. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF FIRST. HAS THIS BEEN BEFORE THE H D R C BEFORE? NO, THIS HAS GONE TO D R C, BUT THIS DESIGN HAS NOT GONE TO. AND WHEN DID IT GO D TO D R C? UH, IT'S BEEN I THINK TWICE ACTUALLY NOW. UM, LET ME LOOK IN THE CASE FILE REAL QUICK. JULY, 2022. SO LA LAST YEAR, BUT IT'S, IT'S COME MORE RECENTLY THAN THAT. I, I ATTENDED THE, THE D R C MORE RECENTLY. YEAH, THEY ALSO ATTENDED LAST WEEK. WELL, BECAUSE I, I, UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BENEFICIAL, UH, TO USE THE MOST BRUTALLY HONEST, UH, UH, UH, WORDS, RIGHT? UH, WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S BEFORE US. 'CAUSE Y'ALL WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU WANT TO GET SOMEWHERE LOOKING AT STAFF'S COMMENTS AND THE PRESENTATION AND, AND, AND THEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. THERE ARE TWO ITEMS IN HERE THAT ARE, THAT STAND OUT. ONE IS MASSING AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS FENESTRATION. SO CONCEPTUAL IS LIKE THE BOX, RIGHT? FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN IT AND, AND AT SOME LEVEL PUNCHING HOLES INTO IT, IT COULD BE CONCEPTUAL AS WELL BECAUSE THAT, THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW YOU GET IN AND HOW YOU LOOK OUT. RIGHT? UH, I DON'T SEE IN TERMS OF THE MASSING, UH, A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT Y'ALL ARE, UH, PRESENTING AND WHAT, TRYING TO GUESS WHAT KIND OF ADVICE YOU WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN. I, I DON'T REALLY MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN IS SOMEONE GIVING YOU ADVICE ALREADY AND, AND IT BEING REFLECTED IN THE, IN THE PLAN, RIGHT. OR IN THE ELEVATION. UM, BUT IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN TO DRC, THEN THAT MEANS THAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, RIGHT? UM, NOW THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A VERY ECLECTIC NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIKE I SAID, BEING BRUTALLY HONEST, THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN THERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT YOU KIND OF FIGURE, WELL, HOW DID I GET IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT? SO IT'S A VERY HARD, UH, CIRCUMSTANCE. AND, AND THEN, AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK WE'RE KIND OF ASKED TO LOOK AT, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LANGUAGE FOR, IS HOW WE'RE GONNA READ DRAWINGS THAT ARE USING THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT KIND OF BLEEDS ALL THE LINES TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A WAY, FOR ME ANYWAY, TO LOOK AT THESE DRAWINGS AND TO REALLY BE ABLE TO TELL WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE I WANNA SEE LINE DRAWINGS, NOT THREE D RENDERINGS. RIGHT. UH, MR. CHAIR, IS THIS FOR QUESTIONS? YES. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION IN THIS? WELL, I'M, I'M, WE'RE AT QUESTION TIME. ARE YOU, WE'RE, WE'RE AT QUESTION TIME, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE, UH, RESPECTFUL TO WHETHER, WHETHER I I'M GONNA BE UNDERSTOOD WHEN I ASK THE QUESTION ALSO BE RESPECT. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION. I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTION. 'CAUSE I I COULD ASK YOU THE QUESTION FIRST, RIGHT? BUT I WANNA BE RESPECTFUL TO MY COMMISSIONERS WHO APPARENTLY HAVE ALREADY MET WITH YOU. MY QUESTION IS IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO FURTHER, UH, DESIGN RE UH, UH, CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSION TO GET YOU TO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY COME BACK AND WE'RE, WE WE'RE CLOSER, BUT I, I MEAN I, MR. CHAR, I'M JUST A, JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED IN THE PROCESS. APPARENTLY YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. AND IF, AND IF THIS COMMISSION HAS ALREADY GIVEN THE APPLICANT DIRECTION, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO SAY THAT I GUESS I SHOULD YIELD TO WHO? WHOEVER DID THE D R C, RIGHT? YOU WANT, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE D R C NOTES IN THE CASE FILE. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE HAVE A DRAWING IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS CONCRETE THEN, YOU KNOW, NOTES. MR. CARPENTER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT ON THE DRC? YEAH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. UM, SO THE SCHEME THAT WAS SHOWN TO US AT THE D R C IN PLAN WAS SIGNIFICANTLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME NOTEWORTHY, UH, MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE, UH, [02:10:01] ELEVATIONS AND PARTICULARLY THE ROOF FORMS. AND SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S RESPONSIVENESS TO THAT. UM, THERE WAS A GABLE, SORRY, THERE WAS A HIP ROOF THAT WAS OVER THE TANDEM GARAGE THAT WAS SHEDDING BACK RIGHT INTO THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS, THAT WAS CORRECTED WHEN WE POINTED THAT OUT. THERE WERE, THERE WAS A HIP ROOF THAT WRAPPED AROUND THAT, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, MASTER BEDROOM AREA. AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE THAT SHOULD JUST GO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE OF, OF SHEDS AND HI AND GABLES RATHER THAN THE HIPS. UM, AND, AND THERE WERE ALSO WINDOW HEAD HEIGHTS THAT WEREN'T ALIGNING AND WINDOW SIZES THAT WERE A LITTLE ECCENTRIC. AND SO THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AND MODIFIED AND MASSAGED, UH, TO, TO GREATLY IMPROVE, UH, THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. I, UM, I'LL, I GUESS I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND, AND MAKE MY COMMENTS ON THE RESULTING DESIGN LATER. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? GROUP ONE QUESTION. HAVE YOU MET WITH THE RAILROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND PRESENTED YOUR PLANS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UH, WE, IT WAS A PRELIMINARY LAST WEEK. YEAH. AND I THINK THERE WAS DIFFICULTIES WITH PHONES WITH, I THINK, UH, BARBARA, THERE'S MM-HMM. . YEAH. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE SITUATION? DO YOU REMEMBER? THAT HER COMPUTER GOT HACKED. OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD. THAT HER COMPUTER GOT HACKED AND I, I THINK WE WERE REFERENCED TO SOMEBODY ELSE A COUPLE DAYS LATER. THANK YOU. THAT WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL DO A MOTION. I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, ANYONE ON VIRTUAL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. OH, COMMISSIONER CERVANTES? NO, I'M SORRY, I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON. NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER GRU. SO MY MOTION WILL BE TO MOVE THIS TO A D R C. I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE CONCEPTUAL YET, BUT I DO BELIEVE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER VELAZQUEZ IS COMING, THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE ONE D R C, BUT I ALSO HAVE SEEN AND FROM BEING HERE MANY YEARS, IS THAT ANOTHER D R C COULD PROBABLY ALSO HELP A LOT. AND THEN BASED ON THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I GUESS YOU'RE STILL UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS. YOU'RE STILL MAKING SOME TWEAKS AND CHANGES. WE'RE NOT AT A FINAL STAGE AT ALL BASED ON THE DRAWINGS, WHICH I ALSO AGREE. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ ALLUDED TO THAT. SORRY, SHOULD I WAIT FOR A SECOND? FIRST? SECOND. SECOND, SORRY. AND THEN I'LL CONTINUE. UH, SO, UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THESE, UM, STIPULATIONS HAS STILL NOT BEEN MET ENOUGH TO BE A CONCEPTUAL, IT'S A HARD LOT FOR YOU GUYS, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU MEET WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS YOU MIGHT HAVE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. SOME OF THE PROPERTIES, I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE REFERRING A LOT TO THE ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY THAT IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTIONS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE ONLY TAKING EVERYTHING FROM THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT WAY EITHER. UM, WE DO STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH SOME OF THE GUIDELINES. SO YOU SAID YOU, YOU'VE BEEN READING THE GUIDELINES, YOU'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK YOU JUST FURTHER HAVE TO READ THROUGH THESE GUIDELINES AND TRY TO SEE, I MEAN, VERY EASY IS ADD SOME FENESTRATIONS ON THAT NORTH ELEVATION, FOR EXAMPLE. THAT'S LIKE AN E THAT'S AN EASY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A BLANK WALL, THERE'S A COMPLETE, COMPLETE BLANK WALL. UM, I THINK THE FRONT FENESTRATIONS CAN BE WORKED ON. THERE'S NO HOUSES THAT REALLY HAVE LIKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, O UH, SIDE BY SIDE DOORS OR THE RECTANGULAR WINDOWS, NOT EVEN THE CRAIG HOUSE THAT LIKE MAYBE SOME 1 0 0 1 LIKE. SO I THINK A D R C WOULD HELP HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. I DON'T, I BE LIKE, WE ON THE FORUM TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT IT CLEAR THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT ANOTHER D R C WOULD BENEFIT YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONER SAVINO. UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, IN ANTICIPATION OF ANOTHER D R C, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE KERNEL, THE VERY CONCEPTUAL KERNEL OF THE HOUSE AND THE FORM AND, AND REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MASSING. I MEAN, I HAD MY NOTES MASSING AND FENESTRATION. THOSE ARE THE TWO, THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE MOST GLARING. BUT RATHER THAN LOOKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR FINDING EXAMPLES TO SHOW THAT YOU CAN DO THIS INSTEAD OF IT THIS BEING A HODGEPODGE OR A SAMPLER PLATE OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT WINDOWS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU FOUND THEM. UM, YOU MAY WANNA THINK ABOUT THIS HOUSE AS BEING ITS OWN HOUSE, IN YOUR OWN HOUSE AND SEE WHAT WORKS. I KNOW THIS IS REALLY AMBIGUOUS, BUT SEE WHAT WORKS STYLISTICALLY WITH YOUR HOUSE TO CREATE UNITY AMONG THE WINDOWS, THE, THE VOLUMES AND THE MASSING. YOU KNOW, STOP LOOKING AT THE OTHER [02:15:01] HOUSES AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT WILL BENEFIT THIS HOUSE RELATIVE TO THE GUIDELINES. GOT IT. UM, WHAT ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, EXAMPLES YOU SHOWED, UM, UM, THE, THE SIX 14, OH, IS IT EAST MAGNOLIA 5 37 CRAIG PLACE? UM, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT WINDOWS IN PLACE, ESPECIALLY ON THE MAGNOLIA, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN RHYTHM FROM THE DOWNSTAIRS THAT CORRESPONDS WITH WINDOW ALIGNMENTS AND SHAPES ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THERE'S A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP. SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WILL WANT TO LOOK AT TO UNIFY THOSE ELEVATIONS. AND I WOULD JUST SUGGEST GET RID OF THE GARAGE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER. I WAS JUST GOING TO JUMP IN AND SAY THAT COMMENT ABOUT THE UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS FENESTRATION ALIGNING AND RELATING TO EACH OTHER WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE D R CS AND AS, AS WELL AS THE, UH, REQUEST FOR SOME FENESTRATION, EVEN IF IT'S, IT'S HIGH AND, UH, TREATED MORE AS, AS THE, UM, AS KIND OF ALMOST LIKE CLEAR STORY WINDOW SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE CLIMBING INTO THE GARAGE. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SECURITY CONCERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT JUST TO PRESENT AN ENTIRE, UH, FACADE OF THE BUILDING LIKE THAT WITHOUT ANY FENESTRATION, EVEN IF IT IS A GARAGE, IS, IS NOT VERY NEIGHBORLY , CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS? SURE, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, SO THIS ACTUAL NORTH SIDE IS BUTTING UP TO A BACKYARD, SO YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT. YOU WON'T EVEN SEE THE GARAGE FROM, FROM THE SIDE THAT IT FACES. AND THAT WALL IS LESS THAN 40 FEET LONG. AND IT DOES STATE THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A WALL WITHOUT ANY WINDOWS MORE THAN 40 FEET. AND WE DO MEET THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. I WANNA SAY THAT WALL'S 39. AND WE DO HAVE THE WIND WINDOW ON THERE THOUGH. AND THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T PUT ANY WINDOWS ON THE BACKSIDE OF IT WAS THAT BACK AREA IS A LOFT AREA. UM, AND THAT WAS KIND OF AN AREA THAT THEY WERE GONNA TURN INTO A TV ROOM. SO THEY DIDN'T WANT ANY ACTUAL LIGHTING ON THAT PARTICULAR WALL. JUST TO EXPLAIN WHY, WHY WE ENDED UP GOING WITH THAT CONCEPT, MR. CHARGE. I WANNA GO, UH, KIND OF GET BACK TO WHERE I, WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GET, I HAD A LOT OF HELP HERE TO TRY TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT I WANNA SAY. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER SAVINO SAID IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW. I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU TRY DOING, UM, LINE DRAWINGS, UH, TO PRESENT ELEVATION, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE, WE, WE GET A SENSE OF THE, WHAT THE WINDOWS DO. UH, THESE KIND OF BLURRED, UH, UH, THREE D ANIMATIONS MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT. UM, THE, UM, UM, THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN TENANTS OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THIS, RIGHT? SO MAYBE IT'S A 40 FOOT WALL AND IF IT'S WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT'S ALLOWED, BUT IT'S STILL, UH, SOMEWHAT UNLIKELY THAT, UM, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD PASS. YOU KNOW? SO IT, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO LOOK AT OTHER, OTHER WELL-DESIGNED PROJECTS. IN THE END, THE, THE, THE, THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE THE WINNER, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH GOOD DESIGN. UH, BUT IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY VISIT THE DESIGN THAT YOU'VE DONE. NOW, OUR PURVIEW'S NOT IN THE INTERIOR, BUT YOU KNOW, THE RULE OF THUMBS THAT YOU OPEN A DOOR AND THERE'S A STAIRCASE AND THERE'S A CONCEPT CALLED FE SHUI THAT IS SAYING THAT ALL YOUR ENERGY IS GONNA GO OUT THE FRONT DOOR. SO YOU, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT AT, AT THE DESIGN DECISIONS THAT YOU'VE MADE. UM, BUT MOST DEFINITELY, I THINK YOU SHOULD LEAVE KNOWING THAT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A HOUSE THERE, RIGHT? SO, SO YOU'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S A HOUSE OR NOT, IT'S JUST REALLY ABOUT WHETHER THE HOUSE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AREA. THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE, TO THE, THE DECK AND THE BACK. IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE THE TYPE OF DESIGN DECK THAT WOULD PASS A, A, A HISTORIC REVIEW COMMISSION DECISION. NOT THAT IT'S A DECK OR NOT A DECK, BUT THE WAY THAT IT'S HANDLED. UH, SO SOME OF THESE LONG ELEVATIONS, THESE LONG ROOFS, THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR SOME DESIGN WITHIN THOSE, UH, UH, SOME BREAKS WITHIN THOSE ROOFS. UM, BUT, UM, BUT YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT WHAT YOU'RE AFTER IS, IS A HOUSE IS GONNA PASS COMMISSION. NOT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A HOUSE. I THINK YOU SHOULD WORK WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT, THAT WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS? I WOULD ECHO THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID. AND, UM, [02:20:03] I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE D R C SEVERAL TIMES AND WITH O H P, UH, STAFF, AND, UH, YOU HAVE MADE SOME, UH, PROGRESS IN ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. UM, THE FACT THAT YOU'VE, UH, PRODUCED NEW DRAWINGS THAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY, UH, ATTEST THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE, UH, COMMISSION AND THE STAFF AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THE, THE MOTION AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO A, A, UM, POSITION THAT, THAT YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE HOUSE, THAT, UH, STAFF FEELS THAT, UH, THEY CAN RECOMMEND IT AND THAT THE COMMISSION CAN RECOMMEND IT. AND I WOULD, UH, ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO, SINCE IT SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE A FAILED, UH, ATTEMPT TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO DO THAT AGAIN WITH YOUR NEW DRAWINGS AND, UM, UH, LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO, UH, ALLOW, NOT THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT, BUT THERE'S CONCERNS THAT, UH, YOU SHOULD, UH, CONSIDER OTHER MR. CHAIR. JUST SOMETHING, I WANNA REITERATE SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID. THE, THE, THE FIRST COMMENTS IN THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF ARE VERY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THEY DO REFLECT PRETTY SOLIDLY. WHAT GENERALLY, UM, UH, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT STAFF IS TELLING YOU, THEY'RE, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR AND IT DOES RELATE IN A LARGE WAY. SO I WOULD LOOK AT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND TRY YOUR BEST AS YOU DESIGN YOUR HOUSE, AS COMMISSIONER VETO SAYS, BUT TRY YOUR BEST TO MEET EVERY ONE OF THOSE OBLIGATIONS. I THINK THERE'S SOME LEEWAY WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT IT'S A CONTEMPORARY HOUSE. SO YOU'VE, YOU, YOU'VE, YOU'VE, UH, PRESENTED SOME, UH, MORE MODERN, UH, UH, PROPORTIONS OF YOUR WINDOWS. SO YOU WANNA VISIT THAT AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS YOU HAVE THE WINDOWS THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE THEM. UM, BUT USE, USE STAFF'S GUIDELINE. I LOOKED AT THAT GUIDELINE REAL WELL, RIGHT? UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOME GOOD DIRECTION. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. MAY I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? SINA? AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. MASUKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES. BAKER. AYE. FETZER AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'LL GET YOU SCHEDULED AS, UH, NEXT AVAILABLE AGENDA ITEM 22. ITEM 22 ON THE AGENDA, H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 61 5 0 3 EAST GUNTHER STREET. THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE, INSTALL A SIX FOOT METAL FENCE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AND TWO, INSTALL A FOUR FOOT METAL FENCE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITH A FOUR FOOT METAL GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE, INSTALLATION OF A SIX FOOT METAL FENCE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON FINDING B WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATION THAT THE REAR FENCE NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF SIX FEET AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM TWO, INSTALLATION OF A FOUR FOOT METAL FRONT YARD FENCE WITH DRIVEWAY GATE BASED ON FINDING C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A DRIVEWAY GATE SET BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE WALL PLANE WITH THE FOUR FOOT FRONT YARD FENCE TURNING WEST ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND EXTENDING TO MEET THE GATE. TWO, THAT THE FRONT YARD FENCE NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM PIPE OF FOUR FEET AT ANY PORTION OF THE FENCE. THE APPLICANT DANIEL CRUZ, HAD TO LEAVE THE MEETING, BUT HE, UM, INDICATED TO STAFF IN WRITING, UH, HIS AND THE OWNER'S INTENTS INTENT TO, UH, COMPLY WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS. UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE LETTER ON FILE OF PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, SINCE HE HAS CONCURRED WITH STAFF STIPULATIONS, I'LL, I'LL MAKE MOTION. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIR TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, CASE 2 0 2 3 DASH 1 61, UM, UH, PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SECOND AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ROLL CALL PLEASE. SINO AYE. VELAZQUEZ? AYE. ZUKA. AYE. CARPENTER? AYE. GROUP. OH, SHE STEPPED OUT. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE THAT SIR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 23. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 23 H D R C, CASE NUMBER 2023 DASH 1 72 4 27 [02:25:02] ADAM STREET. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR APPROVAL TO ONE CONSTRUCT A SHADE STRUCTURE WITH A STAINING STEAM METAL ROOF AND A TUBE STEEL POST IN THE BACKYARD TO ALTER THE EXISTING AWNING CONDITION AT THE FRONT PORCH. TWO EXISTING PILLARS WILL BE LENGTHENED INTO PORCH COLUMNS AND THE AWNING WILL BE EXTENDED TO MEET THE NEW COLUMNS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE BASED ON FINDINGS A THROUGH C WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS, ONE THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A STAINING SEAM METAL ROOF FEATURING PANELS THAT ARE 18 TO 21 INCHES WIDE. SEAMS THAT ARE ONE TO TWO INCHES HIGH, A CRIM RIDGE SEAM AND MATCH THE CURRENT FINISH. OR A STANDARD GLOOM FINISH. PANELS SHOULD BE SMOOTH WITHOUT STRIATION OR CORRUGATION. RIDGES ARE TO FEATURE A DOUBLE MUNCH OR C CRIMPED RIDGE CONFIGURATION. NO VINTAGE RIDGE CAPS OR END CAPS ARE ALLOWED. ALL CHIMNEY, FLU AND EXISTING AND RELATED EXISTING ROOF DETAILS MUST BE PRESERVED AND INSPECTION MUST BE SCHEDULED WITH O H P STAFF PRIOR TO THE WORK START OF WORK TO VERIFY THAT THE ROOFING MATERIAL MATCHES THE APPROVED SPECIFICATIONS. NO MODIFICATIONS TO THE ROOF PITCH OR FORM ARE REQUESTED OR APPROVED AT THIS TIME. AND TWO, THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALLS SIX BY SIX INCHES SQUARE WOOD COLUMNS RATHER THAN THE PROPOSED STEEL TWO POSTS. STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF VITAMIN TWO BASED ON FINDINGS. D AND E STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN THE HYSTER. THE APPLICANT SUE ANN PEMBERTON IS HERE IN PERSON. AND THERE IS ONE LETTER FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW. GOOD AFTERNOON, MS. PEMBERTON. GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS SUEANN PEMBERTON AND I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF, UH, 4 27 ADAMS. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT WERE NOT QUITE ACCURATE IN THE, IN THE DESCRIPTION. AND, UH, ONE OF THEM, WELL, WELL, YOU HAD THAT PHOTO UP, THAT WOULD BE FINE. I CAN START THERE. AND THAT IS THAT WE ARE NOT, UM, EXTENDING OR TOUCHING ANY OF THAT ARCHITECTURAL WALL THAT THAT IS SHOWING RIGHT THERE WITH, UH, THE POTS, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THOSE LOCATIONS, WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING WOULD BE TO, UH, ADD TO NEW COLUMNS THAT, SO IT COULD BE COMPLETELY REVERSIBLE AND NOT TOUCH THE HISTORIC FABRIC. UM, THE, UM, SO NOW WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO AND I'LL KEEP RESPONDING. SO, SO AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T TOUCH THOSE PLANTER COLUMNS AT ALL. SO THE, UH, SHADE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE, THE RIVER OF THE PROPERTY, UM, YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO USE A A SIX BY SIX SQUARE STEEL TUBE AS OPPOSED TO A SIX BY SIX CO WOOD COLUMN, UM, JUST FOR LONGEVITY. UM, AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN SEVERAL OTHER INSTANCES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN KING WILLIAM AS WELL. AND EVEN AT, UH, UH, TALLYS AND WEST, WHICH IS A WORLD HERITAGE SITE, THEY'VE HAD TO GO TO TUBE STEEL FOR SOME OF THEIR REPLACEMENT, UM, INSTEAD OF THE WOOD, UM, BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT WAS THE, THE RATIONALE FOR WANTING TO STICK, FOR WANTING TO STICK WITH A SQUARE STEEL TUBE, UM, WHEN PAINTED. YOU DON'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENCE EXCEPT IT DOESN'T ROT. UM, THE FRONT PORCH AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO BACK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY ON THAT ONE, IS THAT OUR INTENTION IS TO YES, EXTEND THAT ROOF, BUT TO KEEP ALL, KEEP IT EXACTLY LIKE IT IS WHERE IT TOUCHES THE HOUSE AND, AND TRY TO SLIDE BY. WHAT THE OWNERS CAN'T DO IS KEEP THE FRONT DOOR MAINTAINED, THAT FRONT WALL MAINTAINED, UH, IT GETS A BEATING FROM, UH, UH, FROM THE SUN AND ALSO FROM THE SPLASHBACK, UH, OF RAIN, UM, IN THAT AREA. AND SO THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND IN SOME MANNER THE COVERING OVER THAT PORCH AREA, UH, AND, UH, PROTECT THE FRONT FACADE A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND WE'VE LOOKED AT, WELL, CAN WE LEAVE EXACTLY LIKE IT IS, PUT THE COLUMNS AND THEN SLIDE A NEW VERY THIN ROOF UNDERNEATH THAT. AND, UM, AND WHAT THIS, UH, ITERATION SHOWS IS WHERE WE KEEP THE BRACKETS AND THINGS AND KEEP THE, THE, UH, FACIAL LINE, UM, AT EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION AND JUST KEEP THAT SWOOPING SWEEPING ROOF BEHIND IT GOING, BUT AT A VERY LOW SLOPE SO THAT WE DON'T ADD THICKNESS, UM, TO THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE ROOF. AND, UM, BUT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT EXISTING WALL THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AT ALL. UM, BUT ADDING POSTS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT TO SUPPORT A NEW ROOF STRUCTURE. [02:30:01] OKAY. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. COMMISSIONER GROUP YOU CAN GO TO, YEAH, THAT, UH, NEXT SLIDE. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION IS ON THAT, ON THE FRONT PORCH. SO THOSE, THAT'S WHERE YOUR, YOUR POST WILL BE, THAT'S THE EXISTING EXACTLY. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE, AND SO THE, THE NEXT, THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THE NEW POSTS GO. SO THE NEW POSTS ARE THOSE OUTER SQUARES. IT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR. OKAY. OH YEAH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION. WE LOOKED AT THE, THAT DRAWING FIRST AND THEN THE NEXT IMAGE WE SAW WHEN REVIEWING THIS WAS THE IMAGE THAT HAS LIKE A BUSH IN FRONT OF WHERE THAT COLUMN WOULD BE. AND SO LIKE OUR MINDS JUST PUT A POST THERE, UHHUH , BUT THERE'S NOT ONE THERE, CORRECT? MM-HMM. . OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. AND THEN, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IN ONE PICTURE I KIND OF SAW LIKE, THERE'S ALREADY A KIND OF LIKE A SHED SHADE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK OF THE TENSILE STRUCTURE. IS IS, HE PUTS THAT UP TEMPORARILY WHEN HE IS NO, GO, GO TO THE PICTURE. I THINK TWO SLIDES UP. ONE MORE ONE DOWN RIGHT HERE TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST LIKE USING THAT. THAT WOULD BE THE, LIKE A ONE STORY FRAME OR THE ONE STORY ADDITION THAT IS A PAVILION FOR THEIR POOL. UM, AND SO THE NEW STRUCTURE'S KIND OF SIMILAR, SO I'M KIND OF GOING TOWARDS LIKE THAT STUCCO POLES THAT COULD JUSTIFY MAYBE THE STEEL POLES. LIKE HOW IS THAT STRUCTURE RELATED TO THE NEW STRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION WISE? 'CAUSE IT ALSO HAS THIS A METAL ROOF, RIGHT? THE, THE ROOF WE'RE PROPOSING IS FOR A, A SINGLE SLOPE ROOF. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE SO IT WON'T HAVE A RIDGE, IT WON'T HAVE, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'LL BE JUST THE METAL THAT EXACTLY MATCHES THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT VERY LIGHT AS OPPOSED TO, UH, WE LOOKED AT DOING STUCCO COLUMNS AROUND THAT AS WELL AT ONE POINT AND WE JUST GO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GETTING AWFULLY HEAVY, UH, IN THE DESIGN. AND SO WE BACKED OFF AND CHOSE TO, TO PRESENT IT, BASICALLY TAKE THE STUCCO WRAP OFF OF IT AND, AND JUST LEAVE IT AS A, AS A POST. AND TO CLARIFY HERE IT IS SQUARE, NOT ROUND TUBE. YEAH. IT'S SQUARE TUBES, TUBE STEEL. WELL, TUBE STEEL HAS RADIUS CORNERS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER SAVINO. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, MS. PEMBERTON, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS. WHAT IS THE DEPTH OF THE STEEL PERIMETER BEAM ON THE SUNSHADE? I THINK WE WERE AT, AT 10 INCHES DEEP. WE'RE TRYING TO AGAIN, MAKE IT EQUATE TO A WOOD. RIGHT? UM, SO ALL OF THE DIMENSIONS WE WERE TRYING TO DO WITH OUR, OUR, OUR CHANNELS IN THE STEEL IS TO MIMIC THE DIMENSIONS OF WOOD WITHOUT ADDING THE ROT POTENTIAL OF WOOD. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING ABOUT. MM-HMM. . AND THEN FOR THE FRONT PORCH COVERING, WE HAVE A SPAN OF EASILY 25 PLUS FEET THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE ADDED SLOPE. UM, WHAT IS THE BEAM MATERIAL THERE AND WHAT IS THE THICKNESS AND HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE THICKNESS? AT THE END OF THE EXISTING OVERHANG, IT'LL BE IN STEEL, UM, AND THEN CLAD IT IN WOOD SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE, THE FASCIA AGAIN, LOOKING EXACTLY LIKE IT DOES RIGHT NOW, JUST GOING OUT FARTHER MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . BUT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER BEAM IN THERE SITTING ON TOP OF THE COLUMN. WE'LL HAVE A BEAM SITTING ON IT. MM-HMM. GOING ACROSS THAT 25 FEET. UM, AND THIS LOOKS, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT SHORT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, THAT WE FIND OURSELVES GOING TO A DEEPER BEAM, WHICH THEN OBSCURES THAT THIN EDGE. OKAY. I, I DON'T REMEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THERE ARE QUESTIONS. I HAVE ONE. UM, YES. OH, GO AHEAD. COMMISSIONER SES. YEAH, I, I, I DROPPED OUT OF THE MEETING HERE FOR A MINUTE. I HAD A CONNECTION ISSUE, BUT, AND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN COVERED OR ASKED EARLIER, BUT, UH, I'LL ASK IT AGAIN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, HOW MUCH OF THIS, AND I, AND I CAN'T SEE IT TOO WELL ON MY SCREEN, HOW MUCH OF THIS, UH, UH, PERMANENTLY MODIFIES THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OF BUILDING OR ANY OF THE, UH, OF THE WALL YOU HAVE THERE? UM, OKAY. THE WALL IS NOT TOUCHED AND THE, THE ROOF DOES GET EXTENDED BY ABOUT SIX FEET FROM ITS EXISTING LOCATION. CORRECT. BUT ARE YOU, ARE YOU MODIFYING OR CHANGING IT AT, IN OTHER WORDS, I'M ASKING IF IT, CAN IT BE UNDONE WITHOUT LOSING, UH, UH, ANY OF THE EXISTING ROOF INTEGRITY? [02:35:02] THAT IS THE INTENTION, YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SLOPE ON THE PROPOSED, UH, FRONT PORCH ROOF EXTENSION MM-HMM. , WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AN ADEQUATE SLOPE AND STILL FIT INTO THE EXISTING WALL FLASHING, OR DO YOU HAVE TO CUT A HIGHER, UH, REGULAR AND RAISE THE WALL FLASHING TO GET A DECENT SLOW POINT? NO, THE GOAL IS THAT THAT, THAT WHERE IT CUTS INTO THE WALL RIGHT NOW STAYS AND WE MAKE ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE, IN KIND OF A, A, THAT SWOOP. IT HAS THIS A SWOOPING ROOF, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IT GOES VIRTUALLY TO A FLAT ROOF. YEAH. AND VIRTUALLY GOES TOO FLAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE STUCCO AT ALL. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT FLASHING AT ALL. AND, UM, THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING TO EXTEND THE, THAT ROOF, THE, THE OWNERS JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, IT JUST TAKES SUCH A BEATING THAT THEY'RE, UM, ASKING FOR ANY KIND OF AN EXTENSION. AND THIS WAS KIND OF THE LIGHTEST THING WE COULD THINK OF. OKAY. UH, ANOTHER QUESTION. AS YOU WERE LOOKING AT MAKING A LIGHT EXTENSION, DID YOU CONSIDER DOING, UM, LIGHTER COLUMNS RATHER THAN THE, THE LARGER STUCCO CLAD COLUMNS? WE CERTAINLY COULD TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE HISTORIC AND THE NEW MM-HMM. , UM, WOULD BE ONE, UH, REASON TO GO TO A LIGHTER COLUMN THERE. UM, JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAD CONSIDERED THAT. WE HAD NOT, BUT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE'RE WILLING TO LOOK AT. UM, AND WHAT I WAS STEPPING AWAY FROM ADDING MORE CHUNK, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE BACK, BUT YET I WANTED TO KEEP WITH THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE PORT SHARE HAS BIG BOX COLUMNS. THE POOL HOUSE HAS THE BIGGER BOX COLUMNS, AND SO THAT'S WHY FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, I WAS TY TRYING TO TIE IT TOGETHER. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES. COULD YOU SPEAK TO, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON THE COLUMN, THE STUCCO COLUMN, UH, DISCUSSION THERE, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE IMPACTS OF WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE ACTUALLY COMING DOWN, UH, ON THAT EXISTING STOOP AND STEPS AND RAILING AND THAT KIND OF THING? IS THAT ALL GONNA BE ALTERED AND HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DO THE COLUMNS GET? OKAY, THE COLUMN LANDS RIGHT ABOUT, UM, TO THE RIGHT, INTO THE, IN FRONT OF THE POTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW ON THE SCREEN. SO IT LANDS ON THAT STEP AND A SIMILAR CONDITION ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND SO ARE YOU USING THAT STEP AS THE FOOTING? YES. ITSELF. OKAY. AND DO THE RAILINGS REMAIN AND, AND, UH, OR DO THOSE GET THEY'LL HAVE TO BE MODIFIED. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE I, I THINK IT'S GONNA GET KIND OF CONGESTED THERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE RAILING, MR. CHAIR. YES. I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE CAN ASK, WE HAVE DISCUSSION. UH, ONE MORE QUESTION DOWN HERE. HOW MUCH DOES THIS VISUALLY IMPACT THE TOP WINDOWS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE? 'CAUSE YOUR DRAWINGS KIND OF SHOW IT LIKE AS IF, LIKE, WE'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW ON THE SCREEN, BUT I CAN'T, IF YOU'RE GONNA EXTEND IT OUT, IS IT GONNA, IT EXTENDS OUT, BUT IT DOESN'T GO UP SO THAT THE, WHERE THE ROOF LINE IS NOW, WHERE THE BROWN ROOF HITS THE STUCCO WALL AND YOU'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT FLAT, IT'S NO, IT'S JUST GOING TO SWOOP DOWN, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. SO THE SOFFIT OF THE PROPOSED PORCH MATCHED THE SOFFIT HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING CANOPY? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. YES. COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ. WELL, MR. CHAIR, I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM A AND TO PLACE ITEM B IN A, UH, DESIGN REVIEW COM COMMITTEE TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE, UM, DESIGN OPTIONS CLARIFICATION. IS IT, UH, ON ITEM A, UH, AS PRESENTED YES. STAFF STIPULATIONS SUCH AS THE METAL ROOF AND THE COLUMNS? WELL, I, I'M THINKING AS PRESENTED AS, AS, UH, AS THE ASK WITH RESPECT TO THE OBJECT IN THE BACKYARD, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO, TO THE, THE STYLE AND TYPE OF ROOF THAT THE BUILDING ALREADY HAS. AND THEN, AND THEN ITEM B, WHICH IS THE ROOF EXTENSION, UH, FOR THAT TO, TO BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME FOR D R C FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF DESIGN SOLUTIONS. AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. SO COMMISSIONER VELASQUEZ, WELL, WELL, [02:40:01] UH, AND AND IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO, UH, UH, UM, UH, TELL, TO TELL YOU, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT APPROPRIATE. I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE, UH, QUITE A PROFESSIONAL IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. UM, MY, MY, UM, FEELING IS THAT THERE, THERE MAY BE, UM, OR, OR THAT I, I I WOULD RATHER SEE TRANSPARENCY THAN OBJECTS THAT, UH, UH, UH, BEHAVE AS IF THEY ARE OF THE INTEGRITY OF THAT HOUSE. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE TO IMAGINE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THIS ROOF IS HELD OFF BY A WELL-ARTICULATED, UM, UH, CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, A, A THIN, UH, VERTICAL THAT MAKES ITSELF VERY OBVIOUS WITH RESPECT TO HOW IT'S ATTACHED TO THIS NON HISTORIC EXTENSION. IT, IT, I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING THAT A LITTLE FURTHER. UM, I, I'M, I'M, UH, I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER WORD TO SAY, BUT OFFENDED. I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A PERSONAL WAY. I MEAN IT IN, IN LIKE A, LIKE THE PIECES TOUCHING THE STAIRCASE AND INTRUDING, TO ME IT'S LIKE AN INTRUSION. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LINE, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THE LINE AND PASSING THE LINE, AND OF COURSE IF THE COLUMNS ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT, THAT DEFINING WALL, YEAH, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH HOW, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD LOOK FROM THE STREET AND NOT SEE THAT ANYTHING WAS CHANGED, BUT YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE SOME KIND OF A TRANSPARENCY. AND THEN IT BECOMES KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DECONSTRUCTIVISTS IN A WAY WHERE IF IT'S A QUESTION OF THE AESTHETICS OF A POLE, THEN WELL, HOW DOES THAT PIPE, OR HOW DOES THAT POLE CONNECT? HOW, HOW, HOW IS THAT AN OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE THAT, THAT, THAT THAT SITUATION THAT SAYS, HEY, I'M NOT, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT I'M HISTORIC. RIGHT. WHETHER IT'S REMOVABLE OR NOT REMOVABLE. 'CAUSE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT STAYS THERE FOREVER. UH, AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO SHARE. CAN I ADD AMENDMENT TO THE FIRST ITEM JUST TO KEEP THE ROOFING STIPULATION? COMMISSIONER GRU ASKED IF YOU WOULD KEEP THE ROOFING STIPULATION FOR THE, UH, SHADE CANOPY. YES, YES. I, I, I, YES. IT WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE METAL AND CALLED OUT THAT WAY. I KNOW WE JUST WANNA LIKE TO KEEP THE STIPULATION THERE, BUT ALL THE, UH, STIPULATIONS ABOUT SIZE OF THE PANS AND THE HEIGHT OF THE SEAMS AND, UH, MATCH EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE SO FAR. SO, SO FOR STAFF PURPOSES, LET'S CALL IT A CLARIFICATION. YES. THE SECOND CONCURS. SECOND CONCURS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YEAH, I THINK, UM, IN MY MIND, I THINK THE, THE METAL COLUMNS FOR THE, UH, THE REAR STRUCTURE ARE APPROPRIATE AND PRACTICAL. AND, AND OFTEN THESE STRUCTURES THAT YOU THINK ABOUT GAZEBOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT BECOME KIND OF PART OF THE, THE LAW AND ORNAMENTS, YOU KNOW, UH, HISTORICALLY WERE DONE IN METAL. AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A SUITABLE THING TO NOT MIMIC THE, THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN, IN, IN THIS CASE FOR THIS BEING A LIGHT AND AIRY LITTLE STRUCTURE. I THINK THE, THE HARDER NUT TO CRACK HERE IS, IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. AND THERE'S SUCH A CONTINUITY AND ELEGANCE TO THAT ROOF SLIDING ACROSS AND UNIFYING THE, THE TWO ENTRIES AND THE, THE WINDOW. UM, AND I, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTRODUCTION OF THE COLUMNS. I'M WONDERING IF IN OUR D R C WHEN WE EXPLORE THIS, UM, IF THERE CAN BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND FOUND WHERE THE ROOF IS EXTENDED OUT, BUT NEW COLUMNS ARE NOT INTRODUCED. YOU PUT STEEL WITHIN THAT TO CREATE A GREATER PROJECTION, BUT NOT THE ADDED COMPLEXITY OF COLUMNS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THAT. UM, BUT RETAIN THAT AS A REAL THIN, THIN UNIFYING ELEMENT. UM, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. YOU OFTEN SEE KIND OF THESE BUNGALOW AMERICAN FOUR SQUARE AND THAT KIND OF STUFF HAVING, YOU KNOW, BIG STATELY COLUMNS AND A LOWER PLANNING PLANTER WALL IN BETWEEN WITH STEPS. UM, BUT HERE, THIS IS, I, I THINK YOU'D, YOU'D RADICALLY ALTER THE, THE, THE PERCEPTION OF THAT ELEVATION BY HAVING THE COLUMNS KIND OF INTRUDE IN, IN ON THAT, THAT VERY ELEGANT, VERY STREAMLINE, UH, ROOF STRUCTURE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS. COMMISSIONER SAVINO, UM, YEAH, THIS IS, UM, HOW IRONIC THAT THE SMALLEST MOVES ARE THE MOST DIFFICULT MM-HMM. AND REQUIRE THE MOST EYES AND BRAINS. UM, MY CONCERN WAS ALSO IF WE WERE EXTENDING OUTWARD WHAT HAPPENS TO THE HIP RIDGE, ESPECIALLY IN A CURVED CONDITION. SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE RESOLVED ASIDE FROM THE OTHER DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE OWNER WAS, WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY'D EXTEND THE CORE BALLS, [02:45:01] SO I DIDN'T WANT 'EM TO EXTEND THE CORE BALLS OUT, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'RE, UM, WE'RE BALANCING HERE ON A TIGHT ROAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YOU HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? I THINK WE HAVE LOST COMMISSIONER GIBBS. SO, UH, COMMISSIONER SAVINO. AYE. VELASQUEZ AYE. MOOKA? AYE. CARPENTER. AYE. GROUP. AYE. CERVANTES? YES, BAKER. AYE. FETZER. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE D R C AND YES, THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. YES, THANK YOU. SORRY, SORRY YOU HAD TO WAIT TILL THE VERY END FOR YOU. YES. FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THAT WAS THE LAST AGENDA. I AGENDA ITEM, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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