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WELCOME TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
WELCOME TO THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
MY NAME IS MS. BROWN, AND I'M YOUR CHAIR, AND WE WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
ALSO PRESENT IN THE MEETING FROM THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO ARE ERIC BURNS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
DANNY LEGGE, CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR, ALICE GUDO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER JENNY RAMIREZ.
ESTHER ORTIZ, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SPECIALIST.
JENNIFER MARTINEZ, ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TWO.
B S B LIAISON, CHAIR OF QUORUM IS PRESENT.
[ Approval of Minutes ]
UH, DID EVERYBODY GET A COPY OF THE MINUTES FROM LAST YEAR?DID EVERYBODY READ THEM? MADAM CHAIR, DWAYNE NELSON.
WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.
COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? WE JUST HAD THE ROLL CALL.
OH, I, WELL, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE HERE.
WELL, ALL, ALL, ALL IN FAVOR OF EXCEPTION IN THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
WHAT DO WE HAVE A SPANISH TRANSLATION.
UM, I DON'T HAVE, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS. WE NEED TO GO OVER CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT NEXT.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT AND MR. MR. NELSON WILL READ THE CHAIRMAN'S STATEMENT.
PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES OR ANY DEVICE THAT MAY DISRUPT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NO PERSON SHALL DELAY OR DISRUPT PROCEEDINGS OR DISOBEY THE ORDER OF THE CHAIR.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON A CASE, YOU'LL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES.
HOWEVER, AN OWNER OR OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL HAVE UNLIMITED TIME.
PLEASE KEEP ALL INFORMATION RELEVANT TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IN THE CODE VIOLATION.
AS ADVISED PRIOR TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING, THE CITY WILL PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES FOR ANYONE NEEDING ASSISTANCE.
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE MADE SUCH ARRANGEMENTS AS ADVISED IN YOUR NOTICE OF HEARING.
OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT YOU SUBMITTED THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A PROPERTY OWNER OR A LIEN HOLDER OF A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE CASE IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE FOLLOWING.
NUMBER ONE, PROVIDE THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS.
DISCUSS THE DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK WITH A COST REACH ITEM OUTLINED IN ORDER TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE TO THE SATISFACTION OF A CODE OFFICER.
NUMBER TWO, SUBMIT THE REQUIRED PROOF OF FINANCIAL ABILITY TO PAY FOR PROPOSED WORK AND DISCUSS FEASIBILITY OF REPAIR DEPENDENT UPON MONIES AT HAND.
AND NUMBER THREE, REQUEST THE AMOUNT OF TIME NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
ALL ABATEMENTS ORDERED BY THE BOARD SHALL BE ENFORCED.
ALL WORK PROPOSED MUST BE DONE WITHIN CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIRED PERMITS PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF WORK.
YOU MAY OBTAIN ALL PERMITS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES LOCATED AT 1901 SOUTH ALAMO STREET, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 7 8 2 0 4.
IF ENDOW AS TO ANY PROCESS DURING THE TIME, PLEASE CONSULT WITH A CODE OFFICER.
ANY OWNER OR LIEN HOLDER DISSATISFIED WITH THE ORDER OF THE BOARD MAY FILE AN APPEAL IN CIVIL DISTRICT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE THAT THE ORDER IS MAILED.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ORDERS, PLEASE CONTACT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF MEMBER BY PHONE AT TWO OH ONE, EXCUSE ME, 2 1 0 2 0 7 5 4 2.
PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON PRESENT TO SOLICIT OR PETAL SERVICES REGARDING ANY PROPERTY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THIS BOARD DURING THE COURSE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
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PER CITY CODE SECTION 16 DASH 2 36.[ Briefing and Possible Action on the following items ]
UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS TO HEAR THE CASES WE HAVE.UM, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS FOR STAFF.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS TO READ INTO THE RECORD THIS MORNING.
FIRST ITEM IS GONNA BE AN EMERGENCY DEMOLITION LOCATED AT SEVEN 18 VICAR AVENUE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.
UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS DEMOLISHED ON MAY THE FIFTH OF 2023 DUE TO A, UM, A FIRE THAT DID OCCUR ON MAY THE FIRST OF 2023.
THERE ARE BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS FOR YOUR REVIEW PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75.
NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
THE NEXT PROPERTY IS 1 0 5 SOUTH ZAR ZAMORA.
THIS WAS FOR A SIGN IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.
THE PROP, UH, THE SIGN WAS DEMOLISHED ON MAY THE FIFTH OF 2023.
UM, IT WAS INVESTIGATED AND OBSERVED AS A BEYOND REPAIR OR, UM, BEYOND CORRECTION ON MAY THE FIFTH OF 2023.
PURSUANT TO CHAPTER SIX DASH 1 75.
NO FURTHER ACTION IS NEEDED BY THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE ARE GONNA BE PULLING ONE CASE TODAY.
IT WAS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
UM, THAT IS AT 26 0 1 SOUTH FLORIDA STREET IN COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE.
WE DO HAVE THAT TENTATIVELY RESCHEDULED FOR 30 DAYS, BUT WE WILL BE PULLING THAT TODAY.
THAT DOES COMPLETE MY REPORT UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT PROPERTY ON SOUTH FLORES? NO, MA'AM, WE DO NOT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE OWNERS AND WE WILL, IF NECESSARY, UH, HAVE THAT RESCHEDULED AT A, AT ANOTHER, THE NEXT AVAILABLE HEARING.
IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT HAS BEEN OVER A YEAR IN PROCESS.
THE FIRE OCCURRED IN 2022 SOUTH FLORIDAS, UH, THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN.
UM, SOUTH FLORIDA'S WAS A DAMAGE, IT WAS A STRUCTURE THAT WAS DAMAGED BY A CAR VEHICLE, UM, KNOCKING INTO IT.
MADAM CHAIR, UH, I DO HAVE A PERENNIAL QUESTION.
DO WE KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FIRES FOR ITEMS TWO AND THREE? UM, THE FIRST I DO HAVE, SO ITEM TWO IS, LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THESE RIGHT.
IS VICARS, THAT WAS A VACANT PROPERTY.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, A TREE REPORT FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE IT LISTED AS A VACANT STRUCTURE.
TYPICALLY, THOSE ARE, I CAN'T SPECULATE ON THAT ONE.
THE, THE OTHER STRUCTURE FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE WAS A SIGN.
IT WASN'T A FIRE, BUT IT WAS DAMAGED.
AND IT WAS DAMAGED WHERE IT WAS LEANING ON THE STRUCTURE.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE REASON WE TOOK IMMEDIATE ACTION TO JUST TO PREVENT ANY OTHER OCCURRENCE OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OCCURRING.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CEREMONIAL ITEMS? YES, GOOD MORNING.
UH, I'M GONNA REQUEST AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UM, IT IS 9:18 AM ON, UH, THE 18TH OF MAY.
AND THE BULLET WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE TIME NOW IS, UM, 10:11 AM AND NO OFFICIAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN THE, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND WE ARE RETURNING TO, UM, TO THE BOARD BUSINESS.
DO WE HAVE, UH, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO BE PLAYED OR READ INTO RECORD? NO, WE DO NOT.
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YOU A LONG TIME.MY NAME'S, UH, RAMON CASANOVA, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF WITH THE SANTINO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND WITH ME, I HAVE, UM, DIVISION CHIEF DOUG SPERRY.
DOUG, UH, IS OVER OUR FUSION CENTER AND ARSON DIVISION.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, SANTINO FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'RE AN ALL, UH, A FIRE BASED ALL HAZARDS DEPARTMENT.
WE, FOR F Y 22, JUST FOR A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE, WE HAD 240,000, OVER 240,000 INCIDENTS WE RESPONDED TO IN THOSE RESPONSES, WE HAD OVER 444,000 UNIT RESPONSES.
SO I'LL USE A CARDIAC ARREST IF WE HAVE A CARDIAC ARREST THAT COMES IN, THAT'S GONNA BE TWO AMBULANCES AND A FIRE TRUCK.
SO THAT'S THREE UNITS RESPONDING.
GENERALLY A HOUSE FIRES THREE ENGINES, ONE LADDER, A BATTALION CHIEF, UH, A MEDIC UNIT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 5, 6, 7 UNITS FOR, FOR THAT ONE RESPONSE.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT 444,000, UH, UNIT RESPONSE NUMBER COMES FROM.
WE'RE ALL, LIKE I SAID, ALL HAZARD DEPARTMENT FIRE SUPPRESSION, E M S, WILDLAND, UH, TECHNICAL RESCUE.
WE HAVE TWO TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAMS, TWO HAZARDOUS RE UH, HAZARDOUS, UH, MATERIAL RESPONSE TEAMS. UH, WE HAVE THE E O C THAT FALLS UNDER THE SAN FIRE DEPARTMENT.
M I H IS DOING PHENOMENAL WORK, UH, BEST IN THE COUNTRY.
OUR MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTHCARE, UM, DIVISION FALLS UNDER E M S.
AND THEN WE HAVE AVIATION AT THE AIRPORT.
FIRE RESCUE FUSION, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, CHIEF BERRY'S MEDICAL SPECIAL OPERATIONS.
UH, UNDER E M S, THERE'S TWO M S O U UH, UNITS.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE RESPOND TO THE PANDEMIC.
ANY, ANY OTHER, UH, NEEDS OF THE CITY, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR RESIDENCE,
SO THIS NUMBER, INCIDENTS BY TYPE IS REALLY SMALL TO TELL, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE BIG NUMBER IS BASICALLY TO, TO GATHER IS SINCE 2014, OUR MEDICAL INCIDENTS HAVE GONE UP 36%, BUT OUR NON-MEDICAL INCIDENTS HAVE GONE UP 97%.
SO AGAIN, ALL HAZARDS DEPARTMENT, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CALLS THAT WE MAKE NOT JUST FIRE, NOT JUST D M SS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY TELLING RIGHT THERE OVER THE LAST ROUGHLY NINE YEARS.
INCIDENTS BY TYPE, UH, YOU LOOK AT THE LAST FOR F Y 21, 22, AND 23 FROM OCTOBER TO APRIL.
SO JUST OVER THE FIRST TWO QUARTERS OF THE, OF EACH OF THOSE YEARS, OUR OVERALL INCREASE IS 2.1% FROM 22 TO 23.
SO WE'RE UP FOR OUR MEDICAL INCIDENTS, A LITTLE, UH, SLIGHTLY AND NON-MEDICAL, WE'RE DOWN JUST A BIT ABOUT 12%, BUT OVER UP 2.1%, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, YEAR FROM 22 TO 23 RESPONSES BY DIVISION.
AGAIN, KIND OF GOING BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, YOU SEE THE FIRE UNIT RESPONSES ARE WAY UP SINCE 1460 5% E M S UNIT RESPONSES ARE UP 18%.
UM, THERE'S SOME EFFICIENCIES WE MADE IN E M S IN ORDER TO KIND OF CUT THAT NUMBER DOWN.
UH, WE HAVE 35 FRONTLINE E M S UNITS FOR A CITY OF 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE ROUGHLY.
UM, SO WE, THROUGH M I H DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, WE HAVE GOOD SAM APPLICATION THAT WE USE IN OUR DISPATCH CENTER.
WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF CUT SOME OF THOSE, THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE DOWN.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT MORE LATER.
UH, BUT THAT, THAT'S THAT NUMBER RIGHT THERE.
FOR DIVISION RESPONSES ARE OVERALL, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE GLARING NUMBER AT THE END THERE, OVERALL RESPONSES DECREASED 1% FROM 22 TO 23.
UH, FOR, FOR THE, THE TWO DIVISIONS OVERALL, WE'RE, WE'RE DOWN BOTH IN BOTH THE 3% IN FIRE AND, AND ABOUT HALF A PERCENT IN E M S.
SO DOWN OVERALL, UH, FOR THE DIVISIONS, FIRE STATS, WORKING STRUCTURE FIRE.
SO FOR 20 TO 23, OCTOBER 1ST OR APRIL 30TH, YOU CAN SEE LAST YEAR IN 22 WE WERE UP, UH, 20, 21%.
UH, THIS YEAR WE'RE AT 316, WE'RE DOWN.
AND THAT WAS AS OF THE END OF APRIL.
APRIL 30TH, WE'RE AT DOWN 12%.
AND SO YOU ASK, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD THAT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? UH, I THINK A BIG PART OF THAT FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR IS THE WEATHER.
WE KNOW HOW DRY IT WAS LAST YEAR, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
AND THAT FACTORS INTO SOME OTHER SLIDES COMING UP.
BUT DEFINITELY THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL CONTRIBUTING FACTORS, BUT THE WEATHER'S A BIG PART OF THAT, THAT I THINK OFTENTIMES WE, WE'VE, WE FAIL TO RECOGNIZE.
FIRE STATS, HISTORICALLY, UH, AGAIN, VERY SMALL TO LOOK AT, BUT OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS YOU SEE THE MONTHS, AND AGAIN, WORKING STRUCTURE FIRES AGAIN, LOOK AT THE TRENDS.
THEY TEND TO BE IN THE WINTER MONTHS.
IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, 21, THAT WAS WINTER STORM URI 67 22.
IF YOU LOOK AT 75 IN MARCH, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS, REALLY HIGH SPIKE THERE.
IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR, EARLY ON IN THE YEAR, WE HAD THOSE, THOSE BIG LARGE BRUSH FIRES EARLY ON IN THE YEAR.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE WAY THE WEATHER WAS HISTORICALLY WE'RE EXTREMELY HUMID IN SOUTH TEXAS, BUT WE WEREN'T HUMID AT THAT POINT.
SO WE WERE SEEING A LOT OF THE THINGS THEY SEE, LIKE IN CALIFORNIA WITH THE WILDLAND FIRES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE VERY LOW HUMIDITY AND EVERYTHING IS SO DRY.
SO IT, ANY LITTLE THING CAN SPARK IT AND IT JUST TAKES OFF WHEN YOU HAVE THE HIGHER HUMIDITY, OBVIOUSLY IT TAKES MORE TO GET IT GOING.
SO THAT'S AN INDICATION OF THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT'S A VERY TELLING NUMBER.
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OKAY.UH, FIRE STATS BY COUNCIL DISTRICT, YOU CAN SEE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UH, 20 TO 23, SAME TIME PERIOD, UH, FIRST SEVEN MONTHS OF THE YEAR, TWO QUARTERS, UH, COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE WAS, IS UP, WAS SIGNIFICANTLY UP LAST YEAR.
UM, SLIGHTLY DOWN, UH, BUT STILL ON THE HIGH SIDE FOR, UH, THE REST OF THE DISTRICTS.
AND AGAIN, YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRICT AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE OLDER STRUCTURES.
LAST YEAR, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS VERY DRY.
UH, OLDER STRUCTURES, THE WOOD, IT IS DRY.
IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT TO GET 'EM GOING.
UNHOUSED STRUCTURES, THINGS OF THAT SORT ALL PLAY INTO THE, INTO THAT NUMBER.
SO CITYWIDE NUMBER OF STRUCTURE FIRES WE'RE DOWN THIS YEAR SLIGHTLY, UH, FOR F Y 23 THUS FAR THIS YEAR AT 26%.
THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY RISK, RISK REDUCTION, TRYING TO GET OUT THERE.
WE GO TO THE SCHOOLS, EVERYBODY GETS TO STOP, DROP AND ROLL IN SCHOOL.
WE'RE TRYING TO REACH OUR SENIORS AND SENIOR CENTERS.
OUR FIRE PREVENTION DIVISION DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB OF GETTING OUT TO, UH, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES AND KIND OF GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT, SPACE HEATERS, FAMILY MEMBERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE REALLY TRY OUR BEST TO, TO GET THAT MESSAGING OUT.
AND WE'RE DOWN A LITTLE THIS YEAR, SO WE, WE ALWAYS GONNA CONTINUE.
WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA CONTINUE THAT.
WE'RE, BUT THAT WAS YOUR DATE.
BUT THEY WERE ALL, ALL THOSE OTHER TWO YEARS WERE THE SAME TIMEFRAME.
UH, FIRE STATS BY COUNCIL, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS, UH, IN VACANT STRUCTURES.
AGAIN, COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE WAS, IT WAS THE HIGHEST.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S AGAIN FOR THE LAST FOUR FISCAL YEARS, YEAR TO DATE, OVER THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS FOR EACH OF THOSE YEARS, OR THE FIRST SEVEN MONTHS OF THOSE FISCAL YEARS.
UM, AND AGAIN, FOR THE SAME REASONS, UH, OLDER STRUCTURES, UH, THE WEATHER PLAYS INTO THAT OF COURSE.
AND, UH, WE'RE WORKING, UH, DILIGENTLY ON THAT SITE AS WELL TO, TO WORK ON, ON REDUCING THAT NUMBER, BRUSH AND GRASS FIRES.
SO AGAIN, THEY ALL KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.
WE HAVE, IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE, UH, 54 FIRE STATIONS.
EVERY STATION HAS AN ENGINE WITH WATER, 22 LADDER TRUCKS SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
STRATEGICALLY, WE HAVE 11 BRUSH TRUCKS ASSIGNED.
AND RECENTLY, WITHIN THE LAST HANDFUL OF YEARS, THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WE HAD WILDLAND STATION PUT ON WHERE WE HAVE FIGHT STATION 53.
THEY HAVE, THEY'RE OUR WILDLAND STATIONS.
SO WE HAVE A LARGE FIRE, THEY HAVE EXTRA ASSETS, THEY'RE EXTRA BRUSH TRUCKS, FOUR WHEELERS, THINGS THEY CAN GET AROUND THE TERRAIN.
SO ANYTIME WE'RE DEPLOYED, UM, THEY GO OUT, THEY'LL RESPOND OBVIOUSLY IN OUR AREA FIRST.
BUT IF THEY HAVE TO GO OUT REGIONALLY, LIKE TO CAMP BULLIS OR THE MEDINA, UH, LAKE FIRE THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR, THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE PART OF STRIKE TEAM AND GO OUT THERE AND RESPOND TO THOSE INCIDENTS AS WELL.
THAT WAS PRETTY QUICK, BUT PRETTY TELLING INFORMATION.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT SOME, LOOKING AT THESE STATS, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU ALL EVER THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, OR THE CITY OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT EVER THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING A STOREFRONT IN FOR E M S PEOPLE? YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO PER STOREFRONT, LIKE ESPECIALLY ON WEEKENDS AND, AND NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF HOMELESS POPULATION.
SO JUST KIND OF STAGE 'EM THERE.
YOU MEAN KIND OF AHEAD OF TIME, JUST KIND OF HAVE TWO PARAMEDIC STAGE THERE AHEAD OF TIME.
HAVE A, LIKE A LITTLE STOREFRONT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE SUPPLIES THERE, SO WHEN THE FREQUENT FLYERS ARE HEARD OR SOMETHING, THE E M S CAN GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM AND, AND MAYBE, I MEAN, BANDAGE IT UP AT THAT POINT UNTIL THEY CAN GET FURTHER ASSISTANCE AT A HOSPITAL OR, OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, STAFFING'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
WE HAVE 400 PARAMEDICS ASSIGNED TO THE MS DIVISION.
UH, WE HAVE THE 35 FRONTLINE UNITS ON.
SO STAFFING OVERTIME ON THE WEEKENDS IS, IS CRITICAL AT TIMES.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOMETHING KIND OF ALONG THOSE LINES UNDER M I H, UH, WE HAVE AT THE HAVEN FOR HELP, WE RUN PARAMEDIC, A PARAMEDIC THAT RUNS THERE OVERNIGHT AT THEIR ACUTE CARE STATION.
AND SO, UM, FOLKS THAT, THAT, THAT CAN'T GET SEEN BECAUSE THE CLINIC THERE AT HAVEN IS CLOSED, WE'LL HAVE A PARAMEDIC THERE ON SCENE TO ASSESS THEM.
AND IF THEY CAN WAIT TILL THE MORNING, THEN WHEN THE CLINIC OPENS, THEY'RE FIRST IN LINE.
AND THAT SAVES UNIT RESPONSES FOR OUR UNITS BECAUSE IF, I'M SURE Y'ALL KNOW WHERE THE HAVEN, UH, PRO HOPE IS DOWNTOWN, THAT STATION STATION 11 WAS GOING OUT FIVE, SIX TIMES A NIGHT ON THESE CALLS.
BUT NOW WITH THAT, UH, PARAMEDIC STAGE THERE, THEY'RE DOWN ABOUT 16% OF THE NORMAL CALL VOLUME BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT TO BE ABLE TO JUST KIND OF HAVE EXTRA PERSONNEL STAGED, WE USE THAT DURING FIESTA, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PARADES, BIG BIG EVENTS.
WE STAGE, WE HAVE BIKE TEAMS AND N E M SS UNITS STAGED, BUT NOT JUST GENERALLY AS A, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE HAD THE PERSONNEL TO DO THAT, BUT IT MAKES IT CHALLENGING WITH, WITH STAFFING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE BUSY FIGHTING FIRES AND HANDLING PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE SERIOUS INJURIES.
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST FREQUENT FLYERS.
YOU KNOW, THEY JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COME AND GO, COME AND GO.
AND THEY'RE ON THE STREET AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO LIVE.
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SOME OF THAT WILL BE DEFERRED OUT THERE ON, UM, WITH THE FOUR 10 AND, AND, UH, DIETRICH.AND, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF THEY COULD FIND IT IN THE BUDGET TO DO THAT.
AND WE, AND AGAIN, NOT TO GOING BACK TO M I H WE HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS THAT KIND OF DEAL WITH FOLKS IN THAT CATEGORY.
YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HIGH VOLUME UTILIZERS, UH, PROGRAMS. SO FOR THAT, ANYONE WHO'S CALLED, UM, MORE THAN E M S MORE THAN 10 TIMES IN A, IN A, IN A SIX MONTH PERIOD GETS FLAGGED.
AND SO WE HAVE PERSONNEL, THE MI SIDE THAT WE'LL FOCUS ON THESE FOLKS.
AND OFTENTIMES WHAT THEY NEED IS, IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN THE AMBULANCE FOR FIVE YEARS AND YOU CALLED AND WE TOOK YOU TO THE HOSPITAL, YOUR OPTIONS WERE GO TO THE HOSPITAL OR DON'T GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
SO YOU'RE GOING ON THE MOST EXPENSIVE MODE OF TRANSPORT, WHICH IS AN AMBULANCE TO THE MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE, WHICH IS A HOSPITAL.
AND IT HAS BEEN NOT JUST IN SAN ANTONIO, BUT NATIONWIDE.
SO WHAT WE, WITH THIS H V U PROGRAM, WHAT IT DOES IS IT FOCUSES ON THEIR, THEIR CORE NEEDS.
WHAT IS IT THEY REALLY NEED? WHY ARE THEY CALLING SO OFTEN? DO THEY NEED A FOOD? DO THEY NEED FAMILY ASSISTANCE? DO THEY NEED A, A, YOU KNOW, A, A PORTA-POTTY IN THEIR, IN THEIR BATHROOM SO THEY CAN GET FROM THEIR WHEELCHAIR ONTO THE POTTY, WHATEVER THE CASE IS.
WE TRY TO REALLY GET AT THE ROOT CAUSE.
SO THEY NEED MEDICATION RECONCILIATION.
SO WE GET OUR DOCTOR OR MEDICAL DIRECTOR INVOLVED TO ASSIST WITH THAT TO REALLY KIND OF GET AT THE CORE AND YOU'LL SEE THOSE CALLS START TO DECREASE.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE DO, UM, ON THE BACK END TO TRY AND REDUCE SOME OF THOSE.
AND THEN A LOT OF FOLKS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND EVERY COMMUNITY, FRANKLY, UH, DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE, ABUSE ISSUES.
SO WE HAVE PROGRAMS, UH, DEDICATED TO, TO THOSE FOLKS AND GETTING THEM THE HELP THEY TRULY NEED, AGAIN, TO GET THEM WHAT THEY REALLY NEED INSTEAD OF JUST GOING TO THE HOSPITAL, BUT ALSO TO REDUCE CALL VOLUME, WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR PERSONNEL AND OUR APPARATUSES.
TELL ME THIS, WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? THESE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? MH, M M I H.
SO OH, M MHH MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTHCARE FALL IS A DIVISION THAT FALLS UNDER E M S.
THEY WORK AT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTERS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE 10 PROGRAMS UNDER M I H THAT'S A WHOLE PRESENTATION IN ITSELF.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE VET OUR, OUR, OUR, UH, THE FOLKS WE MAKE ON, ON A CALL A RESIDENCE.
AND IF THEY FALL UNDER M I H, THE FIRE PERSONNEL KNOW THEY CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO M I H AND, AND START THE BALL ROLLING TO GET THIS PERSON PROCESSED AND INTO WHATEVER PROGRAM.
UH, THEY, THEY FALL UNDER, SO TO SPEAK.
THAT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY LOCATED OUT OF YOUR HEADQUARTERS.
M I H IS RUN OUR HEADQUARTERS AND WE HAVE A UNIT, WE CALL IT M IH 19, THAT'S AT A FIRE STATION THAT'S AT FIRE STATION 19.
THEY, THOSE, THAT UNIT PARTICULARLY RUNS ON HIGH VOLUME UTILIZERS.
SO THEY'LL GET A CASE FOLDER, LET'S SAY A PACKET, AND THEY'LL GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THIS PERSON AND START TRYING TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT ARE THEY MEDICATION, MEDICAL SUPPLIES? WHY ARE THEY CALLING SO OFTEN? IT'S NOT 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO TO HOSPITAL NECESSARILY, IT'S BECAUSE THEY NEED ASSISTANCE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE REAL QUICK.
UM, ONE OF OUR FIRST HVU, WHEN WE STARTED IN 2016 WITH THE HIGH VOLUME UTILIZERS, UM, WE HAD A PARAMEDIC AT M I H 19.
AND THEY'RE NOT ON AN AMBULANCE, THEY'RE NOT TRANSPORTING THE HOSPITALS.
THEY'RE GOING OUT ON A, LIKE A TAHOE.
AND HE HAD A CASE FOR THIS LADY WHO HAD HAD BACK SURGERY AND WAS A PARAPLEGIC.
AND HE WENT TO HER HOUSE, HER RESIDENCE, AND IT WAS WINTER TIME.
AND ON HER BACK PORCH, HE WITNESSED HER 10 YEAR OLD SON GIVING HER A BATH ON THE BACK PORCH BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T GET INTO HER BATHROOM.
SO OBVIOUSLY ALL SORTS OF BELLS AND WHISTLES WENT OFF IN HIS MIND.
AND WITHIN A FEW WEEKS WE HAD HER IN A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE APARTMENT WITH ALL THE CARE SHE NEEDED.
THEY DID A REALLY GREAT STORY, I THINK ON KSAT ABOUT THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
BUT WE GOT HER WHAT SHE NEEDED.
SHE DIDN'T NEED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
AND WE, SO WE WERE ABLE TO ROUTE THROUGH SOCIAL SERVICES AND ALL THE PARTNERS WE PARTNERED WITH IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE FOOD BANK CATHOLIC CHARITIES, AND GET HER EVERYTHING SHE NEEDED SO SHE COULD GET THE ASSISTANCE SHE NEEDED AND A, AND, AND HAVE A PRODUCTIVE LIFE.
DOES THIS UNIT TRAVEL AROUND THE CITY OR IS IT, IT'S JUST STATIONARY? NO, NO.
THAT MH 19 GOES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THEY, THEY, THEY RESPOND TO HIGH VOLUME UTILIZERS IN OUR HOSPICE.
WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HOSPICE AGENCIES AS WELL.
THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION WHERE WE GO OUT AND, UH, AND, AND WORK WITH FOLKS THAT ARE ON HOSPICE.
AND, UH, WE HAVE THESE, UH, CONTRACTS WITH DIFFERENT HOSPICE AGENCIES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WE GO OUT, UM, INSTEAD OF SENDING A FIRETRUCK ON EVERY ONE OF THESE CALLS, IF THEY ARE ONE OF OUR HOSPICE AGENCIES, WE'LL SEND M I H WE CALL IT M I H 19 OUT TO THE SCENE.
THEY'LL INTERCEPT THE CALL, MAYBE CANCEL FIRE, AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL HELP ASSIST THAT PATIENT IN THAT MOMENT TO SEE WHAT THEY REALLY NEED.
THEY'LL GIVE WITH A HOSPICE NURSE AND TALK TO HIM OR HER AND, AND KIND OF GET THE CARE THAT PERSON NEEDS IN THAT MOMENT.
AGAIN, RATHER THAN SENDING A FIRETRUCK AND AN AMBULANCE TO A CALL.
THEY'RE JUST SHOWING UP, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS AND SIRENS.
BUT M I H 19 PERSONNEL, THEY, THEY HAVE A FOLDER.
THEY HAVE A, A RAPPORT, A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT HOSPICE COMPANY AND THIS PATIENT.
SO I GUESS SOME OF US WANNA KNOW ABOUT THE, UM, THE, UH, FIRES THAT, UH, THAT COME BEFORE US.
THE PROPERTIES THAT COME BEFORE US.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICES.
UH, I WANNA TOUCH ON SOME ISSUES.
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WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE FIRES AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABANDONED STRUCTURES, 'CAUSE THAT'S BEEN IN, THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE, UH, PHONE.UM, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THESE FIRES, ANY ABANDONED STRUCTURES AND THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE ADDRESSED TO, UH, CHIEF IT, IT'LL PROBABLY ACTUALLY BE ADDRESSED TO HIM FIRST.
WHEN YOU'RE IN THESE FIRES, WHEN YOU DETERMINE IF IT'S ARSON OR NOT, WE SEE A LOT OF THEM COME TO THE BOARD AND WE'RE NOT, I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I WOULD CONDEMN THE PROPERTY BASED OFF OF THE STRUCTURAL, I HAVE TO ASK WHAT THE TRAIN OF AUTHORITY IS WHEN THE FIRE MARSHAL DOESN'T CONDEMN SOME PROPERTIES, BUT CAN BUT CONDEMN SOME PROPERTIES IS, ARE LOOK LESS DAMAGED THAN THE ONES THAT AREN'T WITH IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A DISCONNECT BETWEEN IT CAN, IS THERE A METHOD TO THE MADNESS OF HOW WE DETERMINE ON YOUR SIDE THE, SO, SO FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE IS A SEPARATE OFFICE FROM THE ARSON DIVISION.
WE HANDLE CRIMINAL CASES AND, AND ORIGIN AND CAUSE FOR FIRES.
WE DO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE OR, OR STRUCTURAL STABILITY ISSUE, THEN YES, WE DO LOOK TO CONDEMN THE BUILDING TO GET IT TORN DOWN SO THAT NOBODY ELSE IS, IS INJURED OR HURT.
UM, AND THAT'S OUR BASIC GOAL IS TO SAY IF THERE'S A STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY ISSUE, THEN WE WILL REFER IT TO DANGEROUS STRUCTURES TO GET IT TORN DOWN AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD HINDER THAT IS IF AN ARSON CRIME OR A CRIME OF ARSON DID OCCUR, UH, OR AN INJURY OR SOMETHING OF THAT TYPE, WHICH KIND OF, UH, WOULD DRAW OUT THE INVESTIGATION TO GET US TIME TO YEAH.
YOU KNOW, GET EVERYTHING WE NEED FROM THE SCENE.
AND THEN ONCE WE CAN, WE REALLY TRY TO PROCESS THE SCENE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE CAN RELEASE IT.
'CAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S OWNERS AND, AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO GO ON.
SO ONCE WE PROCESS THE SCENE, WE GO AHEAD AND CLEAR IT.
WE'LL GIVE IT THE, THE BLESSING TO BE EITHER, YOU KNOW, PUT BEFORE THE BOARD OR, OR DESTROYED.
NOW KNOWING THAT DISTRICT FIVE'S A HIGH PRI HIGH TARGET, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE THE MORE ABANDONED THESE BUILDINGS ARE, THE MORE PEOPLE GO INTO 'EM.
I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY, THE DAY BEFORE, THERE WAS ONE THAT ACTUALLY, THERE WERE SEVERAL ON FIRE.
UM, ARE YOU MOVING MORE MANPOWER? I THINK THE SS A P D USED TO HAVE A PROGRAM, I THINK THEY STILL DO THAT.
THEY MOVE MANPOWER TO WHERE THE CRIME IS.
THEY MOVE MORE MANPOWER IN THAT AREA AND THEN MOVE IT AROUND AFTER THE CRIME.
SO WHEN WE, WE IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE THERE'S A NUMBER OF STRUCTURE FIRES THAT ARE CONTINUE, ARE DETERMINED TO BE OURS.
AND WE DO WORK WITH SAFE OFFICERS AND I'VE WORKED WITH PATROL COMMANDERS, UH, IN THE SUBSTATIONS IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM INFORMATION TO LET THEM KNOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN FIRES IN CERTAIN AREAS, THE, THAT ARE BECOMING AN ISSUE.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UH, WE ALSO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH OTHER SERVICES LIKE CHIEF AND THE MOBILE INTEGRATED HEALTH ARSON WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
WHEN WE DO IDENTIFY, UH, A SUSPECT OR SOMEBODY WHO IS, WE GO BEYOND JUST THE ARREST AND, AND TRY TO WORK WITH THEM TO, TO NEGATE THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ARREST THEM, GET 'EM BACK OUT ON THE STREETS.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROBLEMS. AGAIN, WE LOOK FOR LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS TO THOSE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE REOCCURRING FIRES AND, AND AREAS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE DO SEE THE FIRES IN AREAS THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF VACANT STRUCTURES.
MY NEXT QUESTION'S PROBABLY GONNA BE TO WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER IT.
WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF PROPERTIES COME BEFORE US, AND WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT MORE APARTMENT WISE.
UM, A LOT OF THESE APARTMENTS I SEE SHOULD HAVE FELL UNDER LIFE SAFETY HAZARDS, EGRESS ISSUES.
I DON'T CALL IT EGRESS NO MORE.
I THINK THERE'S A NEW TERM FOR IT.
UM, AND YET THEY STILL COME FORWARD.
DO YOU DO A, I, I KNOW YOU DO SPRINKLES OR YOU USED TO DO SPRINKLERS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL DO, BUT THE REQUIREMENT FOR A LIFE SAFETY INSPECTION ON APARTMENTS OR ANYTHING OF MULTI-DWELLING.
DO YOU STILL DO THAT AND NOTIFY THE MANAGEMENT THAT THERE ARE ISSUES OF LIFE SAFETY, LIKE BLOCKING WINDOWS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA? IS THAT STILL DONE? YES, BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF IT COME IN FRONT OF US THAT ARE CLEAR LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.
SO OUR FIRE PREVENTION, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS, IS INSPECTIONS OF, OF NEW PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE CITY GROWING AT, AT THE RATE IT IS, UM, THERE'S NEVER A SHORTAGE OF PROPERTIES TO INSPECT.
BUT APARTMENTS, UM, NEW COMMERCIAL OCCUPANCIES FIRE, UH, PREVENTION DIVISION GOES OUT THERE AND INSPECTS 'EM AND, AND, AND DOESN'T GIVE 'EM THE, THE GREEN TAG UNTIL THEY'VE MET ALL REQUIREMENTS ON THE FIRESIDE.
SO IN ORDER TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A, A CERTIFICATE OF LIFE SAFETY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, TERM DIFFERENT TERM, RIGHT? YES SIR.
BUT THE ONES WE'RE SEEING COME BEFORE US ARE CLEARLY MISSED SOME BOAT SOMEWHERE.
SO HOW DO WE WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE
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SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING WHAT THEY'RE YEAH.IS, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT, WELL, I'LL GET YOU IN CONTACT WITH OUR FIRE, FIRE MARSHAL.
I CAN GET YOU IN CONTACT WITH OUR FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE IF, IF I COULD.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY GET THEIR, THEIR C F O, THEY, THEY HAVE ADDITIONS, THEY HAVE RENOVATIONS, THEY DO THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY UP TO CODE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IS OWNERS, PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT ARE DOING THESE MODIFICATIONS OR TENANTS, WE HAVE TENANTS THAT DISABLE FIREARMS, SMOKE DETECTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO THOSE HAPPEN AFTER THE, THE INSPECTION, IF WE'RE NOT NOTIFIED OF IT, WE CAN'T DO AN ADDITIONAL INSPECTION OR, OR FINE.
OR, OR LOOKING AT, UH, THE VIOLATION.
SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THOSE WHO WHO HAVE COME ACROSS THEM.
YOU KNOW, WE DO 'EM SOME REFERRALS FOR OUR, OUR MEDICS AND STUFF AND FIRE, IF THEY COME ACROSS A VIOLATION, THEY CAN REFER IT TO OUR FIRE PREVENTION TO GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION.
AND WE DO, DO, DO HAVE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT WHERE THEY GO OUT AND REINSPECT OCCUPANCIES.
BUT UNLESS IT'S BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, WE WON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE.
UH, AND USUALLY WHEN THERE'S A FIRE, THAT'S WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH SMOKE DETECTORS OR THE SPRINKLERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S INCUMBENT UPON, I GUESS EVERYBODY WHO NOTICES THOSE THINGS TO REPORT THEM TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK OUT AND DO RE-INSPECTIONS.
AND WE, AND WE DO GO AFTER THAT.
WE DO, UH, FOLLOW UP AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE REFERRALS TO THE ARSON OFFICE ABOUT CHARGES FOR TAMPERING WITH FIRE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO LEGALLY TO HELP, UH, CRIMINALLY AS WELL.
AND THE, I GUESS THE LAST ONE HERE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG IT IS RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD THE LATEST, THE FENTANYL ISSUE.
WHEN YOU'RE IN THE AREAS, I'M, AGAIN KIND OF LOST NUMBERS ON IT, BUT I IMAGINE THERE'S A HIGH SPOT IN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S MORE FENTANYL ISSUES THAN OTHERS.
YEAH, I WOULDN'T SAY NECESSARILY, SIR, THAT IT'S A HIGH SPOT.
UH, WE ARE SEEING THE FENTANYL, BUT I'LL SAY FOR SOMEONE WHO'S BORN AND RAISED IN SAN ANTONIO, WHO'S BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR 25 YEARS, UM, THE OPIOID EPIDEMIC HAS BEEN PREVALENT HERE WITH HEROIN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WORKING IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE AREAS OF TOWN I'VE WORKED IN, WE, WE'VE, I'VE DONE THAT FOR 25 YEARS, MADE THOSE CALLS.
NOW AT THE OPIOID LEVEL, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF MORE MAINSTREAM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING A BIGGER PUSH IF YOU WILL.
BUT THAT'S NOTHING NEW TO THIS AREA OF, AND I'M SURE HUGE PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST SAN ANTONIO OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, FOR OPIOIDS, WE HAVE PROGRAMS, AGAIN, NOT TO, UH, GO BACK TO THE M I H, BUT WE HAVE O UH, OPIOID PROGRAMS. WE'VE BEEN GRANTED MONEY THROUGH THE STATE.
UM, AND WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A T TO R TEXAS TARGETED OPIATE RESPONSE THAT RECENTLY CHANGED TO O P C R IS A FUNDING CHANGE.
BUT NONETHELESS, WE SEND OUT, UH, UH, AN OVERTIME THROUGH THIS GRANT.
WE SEND OUT FOLKS IN THE MORNING, THEY, IF SOMEONE IS OVERDOSED ON A O ON HEROIN OR ANY OPIOIDS, WE WILL GET THE, THE RUN WILL GET FLAGGED THE CALL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO A REPORT AND THAT WILL GO TO THE M I H OFFICE AND SOMEBODY WILL VET THAT REPORT, AND THEN TWO PARAMEDICS OR PARAMEDIC AND THE MT BASIC WILL COME IN ON OVERTIME.
THEY'LL GET THAT REPORT AND THEY'LL GO LOOK FOR THESE FOLKS.
SO AGAIN, TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE BECAUSE WHAT HAVE WE ALWAYS DONE? WE GO, WE GIVE 'EM NARCAN.
SOMETIMES THEY GO TO THE HOSPITAL, OFTENTIMES THEY DON'T.
AND IT'S, IT'S CYCLICAL, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS TRYING TO KIND OF GET TO BE MORE PROACTIVE.
SO THEY'LL GO OUT AND THEY'LL LOOK FOR THESE FOLKS, THEY'LL GIVE 'EM NARCAN, THEY'LL TEACH THEIR CCP, TEACH 'EM C P R.
BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP AND RAPPORT TO GET THEM INTO HELP AND TO GET THEM INTO TREATMENT.
AND SO, UH, OVERALL, OUR NUMBERS, I THINK FOR LAST YEAR WAS LIKE 18%.
DOESN'T SOUND HIGH, BUT IF YOU IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE SHOWING UP TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE COLD, BASICALLY YOU, YOU, YOU GAVE 'EM NARCAN YESTERDAY AND TODAY OR TOMORROW, WITHIN 72 HOURS, YOU'RE SHOWING UP AND YOU'RE GETTING 'EM INTO TREATMENT.
THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN THE WAY IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BEFORE.
SO THIS PROGRAM REALLY KIND OF DELVES INTO THAT.
WE'LL ALSO DO A SUBOXONE INDUCTION.
SO, UH, UNDER OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR'S GUIDANCE, THERE'S FOLKS, LET'S SAY THAT, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO GET 'EM INTO, INTO REHAB AND, AND THEY'LL GO RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO AN HOUR FROM NOW.
THEY, IN THIS MOMENT IN TIME, THEY WILL GO, BUT THE FACILITY'S CLOSED.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO? SO WE'LL GIVE 'EM SUBOXONE.
IT'S REALLY JUST TO TAKE THE EDGE OFF FOR A DAY OR TWO UNTIL WE CAN GET 'EM INTO TREATMENT AND, YOU KNOW, GET 'EM STARTED DOWN THE RIGHT PATH.
SO TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR OPIOIDS.
OPIOIDS ARE, ARE BRANCHING OUT, OBVIOUSLY.
AND THE REASON I ASK THAT, 'CAUSE MOST OF THE DARK CASES THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF PARAPHERNALIA SURE.
AND ACTUALLY SOME DRUGS IN THERE.
FENTANYL ONE, BUT THERE'S NEVER A REPORT ON THE, THE MEDICAL SIDE.
THERE'S ALWAYS A POLICE REPORT OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
SOME OF 'EM, THEY ACTUALLY HAD AN OD THERE AND THAT.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, AND IT GOES BACK TO PROBABLY HERS, IS THERE STATIONS OR MONEY SET ASIDE OR COULD BE SET ASIDE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THIS INSTEAD OF THEM ACTUALLY WHEN, WHEN THEY DO GO INTO AN OVERDOSE, IT'S WITHIN BLOCKS FROM 'EM INSTEAD OF WITHIN MINUTES.
UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S WITHIN BLOCKS?
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IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT SETTING UP PREVENTIVE.SO IF WE HAD THE FUNDING AND THE PERSONNEL AND THE STAFFING TO DO THAT AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PRE-DESIGNATED WHERE WE THINK THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, IT COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE.
I, I'VE MADE PERSONALLY ME, I'VE MADE OVERDOSES IN, IN THE DOMINION BEFORE.
SO IT'S CHALLENGING TO SIT HERE AND SAY IT'S GONNA BE ONE, YOU KNOW, AREA.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE UNIT STAGED THERE FOR A CALL THAT MAY COME IN OR PERSONNEL.
DO YOU HAVE E M S COMMANDERS? YES SIR.
I WAS ONE OF THEM AFTER SIX YEARS.
AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS 'CAUSE LIKE LOUISIANA, THEIR E M S HAS A COMMANDER AND THEY'LL GO TO SUMMERTIME.
BEFORE THE E M S SHOWS UP TO DO.
WELL WE HAVE, THEY CARRY EXTRA NARCAN WITH THAT.
SO WE HAVE, WE CALL 'EM MEDIC OFFICERS, SO LIEUTENANTS, UM, AND I WAS THE CAPTAIN OVER E M S, BUT UM, EACH MEDIC OFFICER HAS ROUGHLY SIX TO EIGHT AMBULANCES THAT, THAT FALLS UNDER THEIR PURVIEW.
SO THEY HANDLE EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, VACATION, YOU KNOW, PAPERWORK TO GETTING 'EM THE DRUGS AND EQUIPMENT THEY NEED.
AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH A, A RESIDENT AT A HOME, AN ARGUMENT OR SOMETHING, OR AT THE HOSPITAL, THEY INTERVENE ON THAT.
THEY'RE THEIR OFFICER BUT NOT SUPERVISOR.
THEY DO JUMP ON THESE CALLS AND OFTENTIMES THEY DO GET THEIR FIRST AND THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY CAN TO INTERVENE THEIR PARAMEDICS AND, AND TO DO THEIR, TO GET THE, UH, MEDICAL TREATMENT STARTED.
AND I WILL SAY THAT POLICE OFFICERS, JUST KNOWING, WORKING WITH THEM UPSTAIRS AND FUSION AND STUFF, POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOW CARRYING NARCAN AS WELL.
SO THEY ARE GETTING IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE FROM THE POLICE AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT DOES KIND OF HELP THEN THAT KIND OF PROLONGS OR EXTENDS IT SO THAT THE MEDIC, WHEN THE MEDICS GET THERE, WE DO HAVE A LOT BETTER OUTCOMES IT SEEMS LIKE.
BECAUSE MOST OF THE STUFF THAT WE SEE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ONE BIG CIRCLE HERE AND IT ALL ROUNDS DRUG RELATED SOMEHOW.
BUT WE ONLY SEE PORTIONS OF IT.
WE DON'T SEE THE ALL THE OTHER SIDE.
OF IF, HOW MANY TIMES YOU GUYS ACTUALLY BEEN AT SOME OF THESE ADDRESSES? IF THIS WAS PUBLISHED, YOU WOULD PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THE ADDRESS AND WE'VE BEEN THERE 15, 20 TIMES THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE POLICE OFFICERS.
BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S ONE BIG CIRCLE AND FOR THE BOARD IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COULD WE HAVE THIS SIDE, WE'RE KIND OF MISSING YOURS IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S INPUTS.
AND, AND, AND ASSIST YOU IN WAYS THAT MAKE THE PROCESS A LOT EASIER INSTEAD OF TYING UP 15 FIRE UNITS FOR A FIRE THAT COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE HELPING SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IS IN DIRE STRAIT.
SO I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR SERVICE.
YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? OKAY.
YES, MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ON SLIDE NUMBER ONE, YOU GAVE US A MACRO OVERVIEW OF THE NUMBERS AND THEN ON SLIDE NINE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER SLIDES, THERE WERE MICRO OVERVIEWS.
IS, AM I TO ASSUME THAT IF WE WERE TO BREAK DOWN SLIDE NUMBER ONE BY COUNCIL DISTRICT, THAT THERE WOULD BE A CORRELATION BETWEEN SLIDE ONE AND SLIDE NINE? CORRECT? CERTAINLY ON THE FIRE SIDE FOR SURE.
AND, AND I WOULD SAY ON, ON ALL CALLS, I MEAN, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY ON THE FIRE SIDE.
YOU SAW THOSE WERE BROKEN DOWN TOWARDS THE END.
UM, BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHERE THE DENSITY OF THE POPULATION IS.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE FIRE CALLS, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER PART OF TOWN, BUT THEN YOU HAVE LIKE, LET'S SAY I'LL JUST, THE MEDICAL CENTER, DENSELY POPULATED AREA, SO WE MAY HAVE MORE CALLS AS A WHOLE THERE FOR THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT MORE FIRES IN DISTRICT FIVE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO IF I WERE TO, TO TO HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF SLIDE ONE, THAT FOUR, FOUR OR 4,000 AND THAT TWO 40,000 NUMBER, IT WOULD PROBABLY SHOW DISTRICT FIVE WAY UP THERE WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBERS FOR FIRES? I WOULD FOR SURE, DEPENDING ON THE CALL TYPE.
MR. ZUNIGA? UH, I CAN RELATE WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT GIVING DIRECTIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE OR YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS THAT CALL IN, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND, UH, AFTER A WHILE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AN INCIDENT ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
UH, WE ALL, I'M UNFORTUNATE TO LIVE BETWEEN TWO FIRE STATIONS IN BETWEEN UNCLE LIBRA FOUR 10 AND OKAY.
I WAS A CAPTAIN AT THE ONE ON RES IN COLLIBRA.
SO THE THING IS THAT, UM, THEY GAVE, HE ALL GAVE US DIRECTIONS AND SAYS, LOOK, NOTHING'S WRONG, BLAH, BLAH.
AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND AFTER THAT, THEY, UH, ADVISED YOU LET ME CALL E M S AND FROM THERE ON, YOU KNOW, AND THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THE WAY'S SUPPOSED TO A FAMILY, BUT OUR FAMILY ARE, IS REAL, YOU KNOW, THANKFUL TO YOU ALL IN THE DIRECTIONS AND GIVING THEM THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE LOVE YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE, BUT I MEAN, THINGS DON'T COME OUT THE SAME WAY BUT THAT WE WANT.
BUT YOU ALL GAVE US A LOT OF HELP.
UH, WHAT IS THE PANDEMIC RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE? WELL, SO, AND UH, THE EASY ONE IS, UH, YOU ALL DO HAVE, UH,
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TECHNICIAN OR E M S ON THE FIRE TRUCKS.SO NOBODY, THEY SAY THE GHOSTS
AND THEN THE RESPONSE TO PANDEMICS.
SO FOR THE RESPONSE TO PANDEMIC WHILE WE'RE TALKING OBVIOUSLY ABOUT COVID DURING THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, LIKE I SAID, ALL HAZARDS, NO ONE, NO ONE OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE THAT, BUT IN A MOMENT'S NOTICE WE HAD THE TWO SHIPS COMING IN FROM CHINA AND FROM THAT POINT ON FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, IT WAS GO, GO, GO ON ALL FRONTS.
WHAT? AND REALLY WHAT IT DID WAS BUILD RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE SANCHO FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND METRO HEALTH, ALL OUR PARTNERS REGIONALLY, C H C S WORKING TOGETHER, STRAC, UM, UM, TO, TO, TO COMBAT THIS, THIS PANDEMIC DURING THAT TIMEFRAME.
AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, GOD FORBID, WHATEVER KIND OF PANDEMIC, WE'RE GONNA BE READY FOR IT.
MR. MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, HELLO? HELLO.
SO FIRST THING, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, THE QUESTION I, I JUST REALLY WANTED A CLARIFICATION.
SO WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INSPECTIONS OF THE UNITS, YOU WERE SEEING, UH, NEW PROPERTIES AND, UM, I JUST A CLARIFICATION ON WHEN INSPECTIONS HAPPEN AND WHY THEY WOULD HAPPEN BESIDES NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, SO I'M JUST GONNA BE HONEST, I'M ON THE FIRE OPERATION SIDE.
I'M NOT ON THE FIRE PREVENTION SIDE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET SOMEBODY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
UM, I, I DO KNOW THEY DO INSPECTIONS THAT'S, WE HAVE OVER 30 INSPECTORS OUT DAILY DOING INSPECTIONS ON NEW, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS, APARTMENTS, COMMERCIAL OCCUPANCIES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ALL THE INTRICATE DETAILS OF IT.
HUH? OH, UM, DID I, DID I JUST GENTLEMAN HERE, WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN, SIR? DOUGLAS BERRY.
MR. BERRY, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT UH, NEW APARTMENTS DO HAVE SPRINKLERS OR THEY DON'T? SOME THEY MAY YES MA'AM.
THEY MAY, UH, THE, THE CODE DOES REQUIRE SOME, FOR SOME OF 'EM TO HAVE SPRINKLERS AND I'M NOT EXACTLY FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE DETAILS OF THE FIRE CODE, BUT THEY WILL GO OUT AND INSPECT THOSE WHEN THERE ARE, IF A A IF A BUILDING OR STRUCTURE HAS A FIRE, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY CAN DO BEFORE REOCCUPYING IT IS REINSPECT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S MEETS CODE.
UH, THERE'S COMPLAINTS THAT ARE FILED THAT GO THROUGH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE WHERE THEY'LL SEND AN INSPECTOR OUT TO, UH, INSPECT OR LOOK UP AND SEE WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY VALIDITY TO IT, OVERCROWDING BLOCKED ACCESS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY DO THOSE, AND I KNOW THEY DO THINGS LIKE SCHOOLS ANNUALLY TOO.
SO, UH, THEY DO A LOT OF INSPECTIONS ON THOSE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, TO ME IT, I I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO SAY, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE CITY, THE, UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE THE DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANNA SPEND NO MORE MONEY THAN THEY HAVE TO.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE CITY SHOULD BE MAKING IT KNOWN TO THE DEVELOPERS.
THEY HAVE TO CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO INSTALL THE SPRINKLERS WHEN THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING THE, THE, THE RESIDENCE OR THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OR WHATEVER IT IS, SO THAT THEY CAN MEET THE FIRE CODES AND, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT SEE IT A DIFFERENT RESULT AROUND TOWN.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE SURE.
SO, SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE REQUIRED IN THEIR PERMITTING, UH, I KNOW THIS IN THE CITY, TO CONTACT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND TO HAVE A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THE FIRE CODE.
IT'S UP TO THE INSPECTOR TO GO OUT AND DO THE INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE THEY COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO THEY DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT BEFORE THEY CAN GET THEIR C THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THEY NEED THAT IN ORDER TO OPEN UP AND BE ABLE TO HAVE TENANTS OR BUSINESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
WELL, I WAS JUST GOING BY WHAT YOU SAID.
YOU SAID SOME OF THEM DO AND SOME OF 'EM DON'T.
WELL, THE ONES THAT HAVE SPRINKLERS, SOME ARE GRANDFATHERED AND THEY, NOW, IF THEY DO RENOVATIONS, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO EITHER MODIFY OR OR UPDATE THOSE SYSTEMS. NEWER, ALL OF THE NEW NEWER BUILT APARTMENTS DO HAVE, YES, THEY HAVE SPRINKLERS AND FIRE ALARMS. YES, MA'AM.
SO OLDER UNITS, OTHER APARTMENT DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN ANNUAL INSPECTION FOR A CERTIFICATE OCCUPANCY APARTMENT.
ONCE, ONCE THEY GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UNLESS THERE'S AN ISSUE OR A REMODEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY DO NOT GET REINSPECTED.
SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING COME UP WHERE THEY NEED TO BE REINSPECTED.
WHICH WOULD BE A COMPLAINT REMODEL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SOMETHING IN THE ONES THAT WE'RE SEEING WHERE THEY'RE BLOCKING EGRESSES YES, SIR.
THEY'RE NOT SHOOTING, WE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD NEVER BE NOTIFIED OF ANY OF THAT UNLESS SOMEBODY COMPLAINED OR SOMEBODY CALLED YOU OFFICER OR A MAJOR FIRE, WHICH WE MADE A FIRE IN THAT, IN THAT STRUCTURE.
SO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF INCIDENCES WHERE TESTIMONY CAME TO US THAT E M SS COULDN'T EVEN GO UP STEPS BECAUSE THEY WERE UNSAFE.
SO AT THAT TIME, NORMALLY A FIRE UNIT GOES WITH E M S.
SO WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE TO FORWARD THAT TO YOU? THEY COULD HAVE THEY BEEN TOLD TO LOOK FOR STUFF LIKE THAT? THEY CAN, THEY CAN FORWARD THOSE COMPLAINTS TO THOSE OBSERVATIONS TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE FOR INSPECTION BECAUSE THAT WOULD
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TELL ME THAT WOULD HINDER EVERYBODY.ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE WEARING 70 PLUS POUNDS OF EXCESS SURE.
AND SO, YEAH, SOME OF, A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, THEY'RE GREAT QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE MORE GEARED TOWARDS OUR, OUR FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU, I KNOW YOU HAD ASKED A QUESTION, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CONTACT INFO, YOU SEND ME AN EMAIL AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU THOSE, THAT CONTACT SO WE CAN GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
YEAH, GREAT, GREAT QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
OKAY, WE HAVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
GOOD MORNING CHAIR BOARD MEMBERS.
SORRY, I CAN'T SEE THAT SO I NEED TO PULL IT HERE.
I I JUST TURNED 21, SO THAT'S
ALRIGHT, SO I JUST WANNA GO OVER OUR, UM, BASICALLY PERFORMANCE METRICS, NUMBERS, UH, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THE GRAFFITI TEAM.
SO THIS TABLE BASICALLY SHOWS THE NUMBERS FOR THIS YEAR, UH, UP TO DATE.
UM, SO IT INCLUDES FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2022 TILL END OF APRIL THIS YEAR, 2023.
SO THE TOTAL PROACTIVE CASES THAT, UH, THE TEAM DID IS 59,118.
THE REACTIVE CASES, THEY WERE 29,670, WHICH EQUATES TO A TOTAL OF 88,788 CASES.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF CASES.
I'M GONNA SKIP COUPLE OF, UH, ROWS AND JUMP DOWN TO THE INITIAL INSPECTIONS.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT ENTAILS TO IS EVERY CASE WHEN WE GET THE CASE, WE NEED TO DO AN INITIAL INSPECTION AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A SECOND INSPECTION UNTIL WE RESOLVE THE, THE ISSUE.
SO OVERALL, THE TEAM DID 167,741 TOTAL INSPECTIONS.
SO WE HAD 88,000 CASES, BUT WE DID 167,000 INSPECTIONS.
JUST, UH, TO CONNECT THE, THE DOTS HERE, OUR RESPONSE TIME, OUR GOAL IS, UH, TWO DAYS FOR TIER ONE AND THREE DAYS FOR TIER TWO.
THE TEAM DID REALLY AWESOME JOB AND THEY MANAGED TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE TIERS IN BASICALLY ONE DAY.
SO BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THE PROACTIVE AND REACTIVE CASES, UM, THE PROACTIVE RATIO IS 66%.
WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO 65%, WHICH IS TWO TO ONE BASICALLY.
OUR COMPLIANCE RATE MEANS THAT ANY CASE THAT WE RECEIVE, WE WANNA GET IT TO THE FINISH LINE WITHIN 45 DAYS.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO GET 90% OF THOSE TAKEN CARE OF.
WE ARE A LITTLE BIT SHORT ON THAT, SO WE ARE AT 84% RIGHT NOW.
JUMPING DOWN TO GRAFFITI ABATEMENT, SO THE TEAM TOTAL GOAL IS 50,000.
WE ARE AT 35,670 SITES ALREADY.
SO I THINK WE GONNA DEFINITELY MEET THAT GOAL BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
UH, WE DO NEED TO RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS IN THREE DAYS AND ACTUALLY THE TEAM IS RESPONDING IN ONE DAY.
WHEN WE GET 3 1 1 CALLS FOR GRAFFITI, WE RESPOND TO IT IN ONE DAY.
SO OVERALL, THE TEAM, ALL TEAMS ARE DOING REALLY GOOD.
WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE COMPLIANCE RATE, TRYING TO GET THAT UP TO PAR THIS YEAR COMPARED TO THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ACTUALLY.
WE ARE, WE ARE COMING BACK THE LAST TWO YEARS, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T MEET A LOT OF OUR PERFORMANCE METRICS DUE TO COVID SHORTAGE OF STAFF AND ALL THAT, BUT AGAIN, NOW WE ARE, WE ARE COMING BACK.
SO I'M, I'M HAPPY AND THE TEAM IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO AGAIN COMPLY AND GET, UH, PERFORMANCE METRICS, UH, GOALS MET.
ANY QUESTIONS? IT'S NOT A QUESTION, BUT SOME OF THAT GRAFFITI, TURN IT INTO ART.
YOU KNOW, WE LOVE MURALS AROUND HERE IN SAN ANTONIO.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD TURN IT INTO ART AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO GO TO ANYMORE? THE QUESTION
UH, IF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING AGREES AND SAYS, HEY, YOU CAN PAINT ON
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IT, YOU CAN DRAW ON IT, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER, THEN THAT'S NOT GRAFFITI AT THAT TIME.YOU COULD LIKE IT OR YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT, BUT YES.
SO SOME OF THAT COULD TURN INTO MURALS IF, IF THE OWNER AGREES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THIS IS ROBERT TOP.
UH, SO, UM, HOW'S HR, ARE YOU GETTING PEOPLE TO FILL YOUR POSITIONS TO, TO HELP EVERYBODY ON STAFF? THAT'S KIND OF CRITICAL TOO, AT, AT TIMES, YES.
I, I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS.
UM, I LOOK TO MY TEAM, BUT I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WE, WE HIRED UPWARDS OF 40 TO 50 CODE OFFICERS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO I MEAN, YES WE ARE, WE ARE FILLING ALL THE POSITIONS.
TWO YEARS AGO OR TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, ALMOST, UH, AFTER PANDEMIC STARTED, UH, THE CITY FROZE ALL THE POSITIONS.
SO ANYTIME SOMEBODY LEAVES OR WE HAVE VACANCY, THEY WERE FROZEN.
SO AT SOME POINT WE HAD ABOUT 30 TO 35 VACANT POSITIONS IN CODE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY OPENED IT UP AND SAID, YOU CAN START FILLING THOSE POSITIONS, I MEAN WE START PUSHING HARD AND YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME YOU FILL THOSE, SOME PEOPLE PROMOTE, SOME PEOPLE RETIRE, SOME PEOPLE LEAVE AND YOU KEEP FILLING THOSE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE DID PROBABLY ABOUT 40 PLUS POSITIONS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
UH, SO WE, WE ARE ON TOP OF IT.
I THINK WE ARE AT, I WAS LOOKING AT IT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
I BELIEVE WE ARE AT 8% VACANCY IN CODE ENFORCEMENT RIGHT NOW VERSUS WE WERE ABOUT 35%.
SO YEAH, WE, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE GETTING BACK, UH, PRIOR TO PANDEMIC, OUR AVERAGE, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 4% VACANCY.
YOU ALWAYS GONNA HAVE SOME, THERE IS NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FULL.
SO I THINK WE ARE ALMOST THERE.
SO I NEED THOSE FOUR TO FIVE MORE PERCENT THEN I'M, I'M BACK TO NORMAL.
WELL, THE CITY COUNCIL'S WORKING ON BUDGET.
YEAH, GO ASK FOR SOME MORE HELP
OKAY, I'LL, I'LL GO DOWN THERE AND AND ADVOCATE FOR YOU.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEXT? AM I ON? NEXT ONE I CEREMONIAL.
I GUESS I'LL BE BACK FOR SOMETHING ELSE LATER.
OUR NEXT ONE IS, UH, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
I JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING TO GET A DONUT BEFORE I WENT UP HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS QUICKLY, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY HAS GONE OVER THIS, I'M GONNA QUICKLY WANT TO GO OVER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, JUST MORE OF LIKE A REFRESHER.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER IS THE ONE THAT CONTROLS HOW WE PROCEED HERE, UH, AT THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.
UH, WE ARE NOT REAL STRICT ON, ON THE RULES OF EVIDENCE AND, AND COURT PROCEDURE, BUT WE DO FOLLOW THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER FOR MEETINGS.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, DO I HAVE A CLICKER OR ARE YOU CLICKING IT? YOU CLICKING FOUR G JUDY'S GONNA CLICK FOR ME.
SO IF I AM, IF I AM SPEEDING UP OR SLOWING DOWN, JUDY WILL WILL REGULATE WHAT I'M DOING.
WE HAVE A CHAIR OF THE FULL BOARD.
WE ALSO HAVE CHAIR OF EACH OF THE COMMITTEES.
THE CHAIR PROVIDES THE LEADERSHIP.
THE CHAIR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR UNDERSTANDING THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURES AND PROVIDING GUIDANCE AND DIRECTIONS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
WE WANT MEMBERS TO TAKE ACTIVE PARTICIPATION WHEN, UM, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS OR INTERESTED PARTIES COME UP HERE TO, TO SPEAK.
THEY ARE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
MOST COMMONLY USED AS A STARTING POINT.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO STRICTLY FOLLOW THEM.
THE BYLAWS OR THE BOARD POLICIES MAY ALSO PROVIDE SUPPLEMENTAL PROCEDURES.
AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE SHOULD, WE ALREADY HAVE ESTABLISHED, UH, PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES.
WE WILL PROBABLY GO OVER THOSE QUICKLY, UM, AFTER THIS.
UM, AND THOSE SHOULD ALL BE UNDERSTOOD BY THE CHAIR.
WHY DO WE USE THEM? AND WE USE 'EM TO ALLOW MEMBERS TO EXPRESS AND DISCUSS DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, AGREE ON ITEMS, EVEN, UM, DEBATING ITEMS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE OPPOSITE VIEWS.
SO WE DO KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THAT, UH, NOT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD, UM, AGREES WITH EVERYTHING.
WE, WE ENCOURAGE, WE ENCOURAGE THE
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CONSTRUCTIVE, UM, BACK AND FORTH WITH EACH OTHER.UM, UH, WE DO KNOW THAT, UM, ANDIS AND, AND, AND ZUNIGA LIKE TO BUTT HEADS A LITTLE BIT.
UH, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE TAKING IT PERSONALLY.
AND SOMETIMES WE GET A LITTLE GIGGLE OUT OF IT.
'CAUSE IT CAN BE FUNNY LISTENING TO TWO OF YOU.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I DON'T EVEN THINK I NEED A MICROPHONE.
DESIGNATION OF TIME AND LOCATION OF REGULAR MEETINGS.
UH, THE PROCEDURES AND THE ORDERS OF THE RULES OF ORDER AND PROCEDURES ARE PRETTY MUCH ARE KNOWN.
WE'RE PUTTING THE PROCEDURES, WE'RE PUTTING 'EM ON THE AGENDA.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, METHODS TO COMPEL MEMBERS TO ATTEND.
IF YOU DON'T ATTEND AND THERE ARE CERTAIN NUMBERS YOU DON'T ATTEND, JUDY WILL BOOT YOU OFF.
JUDY? UH, HOW WE INTRODUCE VOTES ON ITEMS, THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR EACH MEETING, THE RANKING OF MOTIONS.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF WE DO THE RANKING OF MOTIONS, BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE NECESSARILY NEEDED THAT.
NEXT ONE, HOW TO, UM, ARTICULATE A MOTION BUSINESS POSTED ON THE AGENDA IS BEFORE A BOARD OR COMMISSION BY THE, BY THE MOTION OF A MEMBER.
SO THEY WOULD BE SAYING, I MOVE THAT TO SECOND.
I THINK, I THINK WE, WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW MOST OF THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA READ EVERY SINGLE ONE, BUT I DO WANNA MAKE SURE IN REGARDS TO THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY MAKING A MOTION THAT ONCE THAT MOTION IS SECONDED, UH, NEITHER THE MAKING OR THE SECONDING OF THAT MOTION PLACES IT BEFORE THE BODY.
THE CHAIR MUST STATE THE QUESTION.
THE, AND I, I, I DO THINK THAT IT, UH, IT FALLS ON ME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THIS CORRECTLY.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE A SECOND BEFORE WE GET HERE.
AND I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SO LONG THAT SOMETIMES I'M JUST LETTING YOU GUYS ROLL.
UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS CORRECTED.
WE DO WANT, LET'S GO BACK JUST REAL QUICK, JUDY, I'M SORRY.
THE CHAIR MUST STATE THE QUESTION TO PLACE THE MATTER BEFORE THE BODY TO DISCUSS.
WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING IT UNTIL MS. BROWN OR, UH, MR. NELSON OR WHOEVER IS RUNNING AS CHAIR ON THAT DAY, RESTATES, UM, UH, THE, THE, THE STATES THE QUESTION.
VOTING CHAIR ENDS DEBATE AND RESTATES THE MOTION.
AND VOTES ARE EITHER YAYS OR NAY.
UH, CHAIR ANNOUNCES, UH, THE RESULT WITH A NUMBER, BUT USUALLY IF YOU GUYS NOTICE WE HAVE JUDY DO THAT.
SHE ALSO DOES THE A HEADCOUNT OR PUTTING YOUR HANDS UP.
UM, AS WE STATED BEFORE, UH, WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THIS, WE DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE ROBERT RULES OF ORDER TO THE EXACT LETTER.
AND I THINK THE PROCEDURE THAT WE HAVE AND HOW JUDY, UM, UM, GETS A, THE, GETS THE READING FOR IT.
AND ACTUALLY, I APOLOGIZE, ESTHER IS MORE THE ONE THAT'S UP HERE DOING THAT.
NOW, I, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT PROCEDURE UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT ROCK AND ROLL.
A MEMBER MAY CHANGE HIS OR HER VOTE UP TO THE TIME THAT THE CHAIR ANNOUNCES THE RESULT OF THE VOTE.
SO I DO NOT WANT YOU TO THINK YOU ARE LOCKED INTO THE ONE VOTE THAT YOU GIVE.
IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, I ENCOURAGE YOU.
IF YOU DO NOT FEEL IT AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE, CHANGE IT.
WE DO NOT WANT TO JUST GO WITH THE CROWD.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM A LARGE SWATH OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VOICE IS BEING HEARD.
AND IF YOUR DECISION IS, UM, UH, OPPOSITE OF, OF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR ANYBODY ELSE, IT'S, IT'S OKAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.
OKAY? AFTER THAT, MEMBERS MAY CHANGE THEIR VOTE ONLY BY HUMANA'S PERMISSION.
SO IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE, WE NEED THE BOARD TO ALLOW YOU TO DO IT.
BUT I, I DO NOT SEE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM IN BLOCKING SOMEBODY CHANGING THEIR VOTE.
BUT AGAIN, YOU, YOU, THIS BOARD HAS THE RIGHT TO IF THEY WANT IT.
IF THERE IS NO OPPOSITION IN ROUTINE BUSINESS OR QUESTIONS OF LITTLE IMPORTANCE, ACTIONS CAN BE TAKEN BY GENERAL OR UNANIMOUS CONSENT.
UM, LIKE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UM, OR YEAH, ADJOURNING THE MEETING.
WE, WE PRETTY MUCH DO THAT PRETTY WELL.
ADJOURNING THOSE MEETINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE A
SO AN ORIGINAL MAIN MOTION BRINGS BUSINESS BEFORE THE BOARD CAN BE INTRODUCED
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ONLY WHEN NO OTHER MOTION IS PENDING.SO IF WE'RE PENDING A MOTION ON WHETHER THIS PROPERTY IS A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE OR NOT, WE DON'T GET TO GET TO ANY OTHER MOTION UNTIL WE ADDRESS THAT ONE FIRST.
OKAY? WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ONE MOTION AT A TIME, MOTION MADE AND SECONDED, UH, TO BUY FIVE NEW COMPUTERS.
WHATEVER EXAMPLE
ALRIGHT? MAIN MOTION CAN BE DEBATED, AMENDED, TABLED, OR WITHDRAWN.
PERSONS MAKING THAT MOTION MAY CHANGE OR WITHDRAW THE MOTION BEFORE IT GETS SECONDED.
SO I WOULD URGE US BEFORE WE SECOND IT REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR WE'RE, WE'RE NOT RACING TO SECOND A MOTION.
I, I DO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS LIKE TO BE REAL QUICK ON, ON SECONDING THE MOTION.
WHAT I WOULD URGE US TO DO IS LET'S MAKE SURE THAT THAT MOTION NEEDS TO BE SECONDED JUST IN CASE THAT PERSON THAT WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION WANTS TO CHANGE ALTER, OKAY? AFTER SECONDED ONLY CAN BE CHANGED OR WITHDRAWN WITH THE CONSENT OF THE PERSON WHO'S SECONDED.
SO I'M TELLING THIS TO MR. ZUNI 'CAUSE HE'S USUALLY THE FIRST ONE TO SECOND MOTIONS.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT NO, WHAT I'M, I'M, I'M TELLING YOU THIS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONSENT FOR THAT PERSON TO CHANGE IT.
OKAY? SO IF BY SOME CHANCE YOU SECOND IT, AND THEN, AND I'M JUST USING THEM AS EXAMPLES, AND THEN ANDIS WANTS TO CHANGE IT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM THAT, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM THAT PERMISSION.
HEARING A PROBLEM, BUT I'M NOT SATISFIED YET.
COULD AVOID I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
CAN WE MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE MICS? BECAUSE THE INTERPRETERS AREN'T ABLE TO PICK IT UP, UP THE INFO.
I'M GOING TO ASSUME THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ME
SO WHAT IF I THINK YOU CAN HEAR ME IN THE MICROPHONE.
WHAT IF WE WANNA TABLE A DISCUSSION ON A PROPERTY? CAN A BOARD MEMBER THEN SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE TABLE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE SOMETHING'S JUST NOT SIGNED.
YOUR YES, YOUR MAIN MOTION CAN BE, CAN BE TABLED.
LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S A MOTION THAT'S ON THE, ON THE, UH, ON THE, UM, UP FOR, FOR CONVERSATION.
UM, THIS BOARD CAN CAN TABLE IT AND CAN WAIT AND CAN GATHER MORE INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, I WILL LIKE TO TELL YOU, LIKE RIGHT HERE, IF YOU'RE TABLING IT, I I, I'M, IT'S GOING TO BE A TEMPORARY TABLE, SO TO SPEAK, UNTIL WE, WHATEVER OTHER ISSUES OR FACTORS MIGHT AFFECT YOUR WAY OF VOTING.
DOES, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
SO THEN THAT BOARD MEMBER HAS THE, UM, PERMISSION TO THEN ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR ASK FOR ADDITIONAL PER PEOPLE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY'RE MISSING.
ASKING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE PROPERTY GET COMPLETELY RESET.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO NECESSARILY DO THAT.
I THINK THE TABLING WOULD BE MORE OF TABLING UNTIL THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS SOME MORE INFORMATION.
OR LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO PERMITTING.
WE TABLE IT UNTIL WE GET AN ANSWER FROM THE PERMITTING OFFICE TO, TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A, AN APPROPRIATE ONE.
UM, ALRIGHT, LET'S ROLL NEXT ONE POINT OF ORDER THAT IS USED AND, AND IT'S EFFECTIVE.
ANY MEMBER WHO BELIEVES THAT ANOTHER MEMBER IS BREAKING THE RULES MAY CALL IT TO THE ATTENTION BY MAKING A POINT OF ORDER.
I WOULD LIKE TO JUST MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND A POINT OF ORDER IS NOT GOING TO BE USED BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT THAT PERSON'S VEERING OFF.
IT'S BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT PERSON IS BREAKING THE RULES AND OR PROCEDURES POLICY OF THE BOARD.
OKAY? SO, UH, I THINK SOMETIMES INSTEAD OF SAYING, UH, POINT OF ORDER, MAYBE WE ASK CHAIR, CAN WE FOCUS MORE ON WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED IF WE START TO VEER OFF LEFT OR RIGHT, OKAY.
UM, POINT OF ORDER IS DIRECTED TO THE CHAIR OR PRESIDING OFFICER WHO THEN RESOLVES THE ISSUE, THE PROBLEM.
SO IF A POINT OF ORDER IS, IS PROVIDED, AND UH, THE PERSON WHO'S SAYING THAT'S A POINT OF ORDER BELIEVES SOMEBODY'S BREAKING THE RULES, WE ARE GOING TO LET THE CHAIR OR THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THAT PANEL RESOLVE THAT IS WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE RESOLVING.
IF A POINT OF ORDER IS PUT OUT THERE, SHOULD THE PERSON STATE WHAT THE POINT OF ORDER WAS? OR SHOULD, I MEAN, BECAUSE THE POINT OF ORDER HAS TO HAVE SOME REASON FOR THE POINT OF ORDER.
BUT I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF ORDER IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S BREAKING THE RULES.
BUT THE PERSON WHO ASKED FOR THE POINT OF ORDER SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE IT BREAKS THE RULE.
OR BE, UH, JUST SURE A POINT OF ORDER.
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POINT OF ORDER.I I BELIEVE THAT THIS PERSON BROUGHT IN A MOTION BEFORE WE ARE FINISHED LISTENING TO EVERYBODY.
I, I I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE MOST RESPECTFUL THING TO LET'S, LET'S STATE A REASON.
AGAIN, THESE AREN'T HARD FAST RULES.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE, UH, ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER WORD BY WORD.
BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS AND A PROCEDURE THAT'S FOLLOWED THAT RESPECTS EVERYONE AND ALLOWS EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND IF, AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY BELIEVES THAT SOMEBODY SHOULDN'T BE SAYING SOMETHING OR THEY BELIEVE IT'S IMPROPER OR THEY'RE BREAKING THE RULES, THEN YEAH, WE WANT TO USE THE POINT OF ORDER.
OKAY? THESE ARE ALL IMPROPER MOTIONS.
IT WOULD BE IMPROPER FOR US TO USE SS A P M C LANGUAGE ON A DP AND VICE VERSA.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF PROPERTY IS BEING BROUGHT.
SO, UH, OUR ORDERS CAN BE REFLECTIVE OF THAT.
AND PROPER MOTIONS, MOTIONS TO DELAY A MEETING, SILLY MOTIONS WITHOUT MERIT CHALLENGING THE MOTIVES OF MEMBERS.
THAT'S WHAT I DO NOT WANT POINT OF ORDER TO BE USED FOR.
UM, AND I'M NOT CALLING ANYBODY OUT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AND, AND, AND, AND REITERATE THE DECISIONS THAT THIS BOARD MAKES, UM, ARE, ARE, ARE GOING TO BE VIEWED.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE TELEVISED AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM, WRITTEN ABOUT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, LOOKED AT BY COUNSEL AND ANYBODY ELSE.
SO, UH, WHAT I ASK IS THAT WHEN WE COME IN HERE, OUR PROFESSIONALISM IS ON, ON, I GUESS THE WORD WOULD BE ON FLEEK.
IS THAT, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? AM I, AM I USING THAT WORD RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
I SAY I AM 'CAUSE THEY'RE LAUGHING.
UM, ORDERS THAT ARE OUTSIDE YOUR AUTHORITY, WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO THAT.
WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT WITHIN THIS BOARD'S AUTHORITY OR PURVIEW.
OKAY? AND THEN MOTIONS
LASTLY, IF, IF YOUR MOTION FAILED, LET'S, LET'S NOT REPEAT IT.
LET, LET'S JUST MOVE ON AND FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT.
MAYBE YOU NEED TO TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT REGURGITATING THE EXACT SAME MOTION'S, PROBABLY NOT GONNA WORK.
UM, EVERYBODY TAKE A MINUTE TO LOOK AT THIS.
AND WHEN WE WANT DEBATE, WE WANT THAT DEBATE.
UM, ON THE MICROPHONE, WE WANT TO HEAR YOU DEBATE.
EVEN IF YOU THINK, EVEN IF YOU THINK THE HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, CRUMMY, OR YOU THINK IT CAN BE REPAIRED, WE WANT TO HEAR IT.
THESE ARE AN OPEN MEETING AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT.
YOU CAN SECOND THE, THE, THE MOTION IF IT, IF IT'S AMENDED, NEEDS TO BE SECONDED.
IF WE WANT DEBATE ON THAT, WE ALSO HAVE TO GET TO VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT.
IF BY SOME CHANCE THERE IS AN, AN AMENDMENT AND WE TABLE REFER TO C TO COMMITTEE, THAT'S WHERE WE STOP DISCUSSION UNTIL A LATER TIME.
AND THEN WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE TABLE.
THAT'S WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING, OH, THERE WAS A FIRE ISSUE.
WE WANNA BRING A FIRE, WE WANNA BRING SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE MARSHALS IN TO HELP US MAKE A, AN ASSESSMENT AS TO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD TABLE IT AND WE CAN PUT IT OFF, LET ANOTHER PROPERTY GO WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO COME BACK OR SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THEM.
AND IF WE CAN'T, THIS BOARD HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE A MOTION TO RESET TO BRING THAT PERSON IN.
BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IS WE'RE NOT GONNA JUST TABLE IT FOR WHAT WE CANNOT DO.
AND I DON'T THINK IT'D BE PROPER FOR US TO DO, IS TO TABLE IT FOR WEEKS.
IF, IF WE TABLE IT, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.
IF YOU CAN'T, I WOULD URGE YOU TO RECON TO CONSIDER A RESET AND ASK FOR A, B, AND C, OR THIS PERSONNEL, THIS PERSON, THIS PERSONNEL.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, AFTER DISCUSSION, TO VOTE ONCE YOU VOTE, ACTION BE TAKEN.
SO IN REGARDS TO, UH, ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, HOW WE FEELING? YEAH.
DO WE FEEL THAT WE'VE BEEN REFRESHED? YES.
THIS IS ROBERT TO I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, JUST TO THE, TO THE POINT OF THE SCRIPT, THE, THE DP MOTION SCRIPT AT, AT TIMES, UH, I'M NOT POINTING ANY FINGERS.
AT TIMES WE, WE GET OFF SCRIPT MM-HMM.
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AND IN THIS ORDER, I, I WANNA MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU.I WANNA MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERY MEMBER IN THIS BOARD.
IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE AN ORDER, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, LIKE MR. MR. TAPIA IS SAYING, ROBERT, TO RE TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT LOOK AT THAT FORM WHILE YOU'RE, UM, GIVING YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ORDER.
IF YOU'RE, EXCUSE ME, IF YOU'RE GIVING YOUR MOTION, I WOULD URGE YOU TO, TO LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF FOLLOW UP.
IT'S LIKE I, SOMETIMES WE START GOING OFF AND WE, UM, WE CAN MAYBE FORGET ABOUT IT OR FORGET A FEW WORDS.
IT'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
JUDY HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB, UM, AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED.
SO I, I JUST URGE YOU TO, TO, TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
AND THEN, HEY, YOU GUYS ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE FAMILY AND WE'RE PARTNERS.
IF YOU THINK THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY NEXT TO YOU WHO'S GIVEN THE MOTION AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR PAPERWORK AND YOU GOT ONE, HAND IT TO 'EM, LET'S HELP EACH OTHER OUT.
OKAY? WE ARE, UM, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LOOK, BE LOOKED AT AS A WHOLE, NOT AS INDIVIDUALS.
ALRIGHT? SO I WOULD, I WOULD SIT DOWN AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE COME UP.
BUT I THINK, UM, HEY, LOOKIE THERE, ETHICS AND PROCESS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS.
UM, I SHOULD BE PRETTY QUICK ON IT.
AND, AND THESE, THESE, AGAIN, THIS INFORMATION THAT, THAT I'M, I'M PROVIDING IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH BEFORE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STOP ME.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TRY TO ROLL THROUGH IT SO I'M READY WHEN YOU ARE.
SO WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH, UM, BOARD MEETING PROTOCOL, TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, UH, TEXAS PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT, AND THE CITY OF SAN CODE OF ETHICS.
THEY'RE ALL COMBINED INTO THIS ONE THING.
OKAY? I SHOULD NOT BE TOO LONG, BUT LET'S GO.
CONDUCT OF MEETINGS, CHAIR CALLS THE MEETING TO ORDER.
SECRETARY CALLS THE ROLE, WHICH WE, UH, USUALLY HAVE WITH THE LADIES UP HERE, MINUTES FROM THE MET PAST MEETINGS, WE TALK ABOUT, UM, AGENDA, ACTION ITEMS, COMMITTEE BRIEFINGS, CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, DISCUSSION OF, OF THE ITEMS PRESENTED BY THE, UH, THE MEMBERS AND THE MEETINGS ADJOURNED.
SO THE BOARD AND, AND IN, IN DEALING WITH, UM, UH, THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD, WE WANNA SHOW COURTESY TO, TO THE CITIZENS.
WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THEM.
AND THE STAFF, UM, MEMBERS, UH, YOU GUYS ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND THE REPUTATION OF THE BOARD AND THE CITY IS PARAMOUNT.
I, AND I THINK YOU GUYS WORK REAL HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BOARD'S REPUTATION IS UNAPPROACHABLE.
THAT THE DECISIONS MADE HERE ARE MADE BY A DIVERSE GROUP FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, AND WE WORK, HA LEGAL WORKS HARD TO DEFEND THE DECISIONS THAT THIS BOARD HAS MADE.
I CAN TELL YOU OUR LITIGATION DEPARTMENT'S DAMN GOOD AT IT.
UH, SO I ASK THAT WE CONTINUE.
UM, IT'S BEEN AN HONOR OF MINE TO TO, TO REPRESENT YOU.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO, TO CONTINUE THAT AND MAKE YOU GUYS MAKE ME LOOK GOOD.
I CAN TELL YOU, YOU ARE NOT ADVOCATES.
OKAY? SO YOU GUYS ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY.
YOUR DECISIONS ARE BASED ON THE MERIT THAT IS PRO THAT IS PROVIDED TO YOU AT THE TIME THAT THESE, UH, THAT WE HAVE THESE HEARINGS, UM, MEMBERS MUST NOT DICTATE, EXCUSE ME, INDICATE THAT THEY WILL ENDEAVOR TO ASSIST CITIZENS WITH ISSUES.
SO WHILE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL CITY, UH, RELATED, UM, PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE TO, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS OR INTERESTED PERSONS THAT COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, WHAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IS ACT AS WE ARE THEIR ADVOCATES OR, OR THEIR ASSISTANCE IN HELPING THEM GET WHAT THEY NEED.
UH, WE CAN CONFIRM THAT AND THIS BOARD CAN CONFIRM THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION TO, UM, AFFECTED PARTIES.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UH, WE NEED TO STAY IMPARTIAL.
AND WHEN I SAY WE, IT'S, IT'S YOU.
I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING EXCEPT SIT THERE MOTIONS.
I I I, I THINK WE, WE DISCUSSED MOTIONS, UM, ON THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY, UM, REGURGITATE THAT.
I LIKE USING THAT WORD REGURGITATE.
ANY DELIBERATION BETWEEN A QUORUM OF MEMBERS AT WHICH ANY PUBLIC BUSINESS IS DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED, OR AT WHICH ANY FORMAL ACTION IS TAKEN, THIS IS GETTING READY TO GO INTO WALKING QUORUMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE MEANING HERE IS WHEN WE HAVE AN OPEN MEETING, THE
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OPEN MEETING NEEDS TO BE HERE.IF WE'RE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
AND IF YOU GUYS, WITHOUT GIVING UP DIVULGING WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AT, AT THOSE, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I SAY TO YOU WHEN WE GET IN THERE.
WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANY PROPERTY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR DELIBERATION AND QUORUM THAT WE HAVE IS OUT HERE FOR THE OPEN MEETING NEXT.
SO WHAT IS DELIBERATION, VERBAL EXCHANGE BETWEEN ALL OF US? I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT HERE, DELIBERATION ISN'T, ISN'T, UH, TAPIA AND ANDIS TALKING DELIBERATION ISN'T, UH, MR. SIMPSON AND MR. GUPTA TALKING, IT IS A QUORUM.
SO IF WE HAVE A PANEL AND UH, WE HAVE FOUR OF YOU OR FIVE OF YOU, WE MIGHT HAVE A QUORUM.
SO WE'RE, WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING ANY DELIBERATE CONVERSATIONS IN REGARDS TO A PROPERTY MEETING, EXCLUDES SOCIAL FUNCTIONS, CONVENTIONS AND WORKSHOPS.
WHEN I INVITE YOU OVER TO MY HOUSE AND WE HANG OUT BY THE POOL AND HAVE ADULT BEVERAGES, THAT'S NOT A MEETING.
DID YOU GUYS GET MY INVITES? THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING.
I'M, I, I STILL GOTTA GET THE FURNITURE AT THE, THE NEW FURNITURE, BUT IT'S COMING.
WAS THAT THE CANCUN? NO, I DIDN'T INVITE YOU TO CANCUN, BUT I'LL, THAT WAS A WEDDING.
WE COULD BRING HER ALL FURNITURE.
YOU COULD, BUT, AND WE GOT A LITTLE BUTT WITH SOME DOTS.
WHEN A QUORUM ASSEMBLES IN AN INFORMAL SETTING, SUCH AS A SOCIAL OCCASION, SUCH AS WHEN EVERYBODY COMES OVER TO MY HOUSE FOR A POOL, WE MIGHT BE IN TROUBLE.
IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACT.
OKAY? I I, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, IT, IT IS A SOCIAL FUNCTION CAN BE TURNED INTO A MEETING IF ALL OF YOU END UP BEING TOGETHER WHEN WE START DISCUSSING WORK.
OKAY? SO WE DON'T EVER WANT TO DO THAT.
WALKING QUORUM, A SERIES OF CONTACTS, A AMONGST, EXCUSE ME, AMONG A QUORUM OR A PUBLIC, UH, BUSINESS THAT CAN CONSTITUTE A WALKING QUORUM CAN BE A VIOLATION OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
A SERIES OF CONTACTS AMONG A QUORUM ON A MATTER OF PUBLIC BUSINESS, ON A MATTER OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.
ANY PROPERTY THAT COMES BEFORE YOU IS GOING TO BE A MATTER OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAS ADVISED THAT EMAIL CONTACTS COULD CONSTITUTE A WALKING QUORUM.
THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T EVER SEE A HUGE MASS EMAIL OF ALL OF YOU COMBINED.
HAVING A CONVERSATION ON SOMETHING DOESN'T USUALLY HAPPEN UNLESS JUDY SENDS SOMETHING OUT.
BUT I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE.
BODY, BODY MUST VOTE IN PUBLIC.
AND THOSE OPEN MEETINGS, WE WANTED AN OPEN SESSION.
PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO ATTEND, BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
THE BOARD, THOUGH, MAY GRANT THE RIGHT FOR CITIZENS TO BE HEARD, WHICH WE DO.
BUT ONCE THAT IS OVER WITH AND THE VOTING HAPPENS, THEY CAN SIT HERE AND LISTEN LIKE THEY DO, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK.
THOSE ARE SESSIONS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
UM, VOTE MUST OCCUR BACK IN THE OPEN SESSION, NOR ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS ANY SPECIFIC PROPERTIES IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE DISCUSS LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS, LEGAL COMMUNICATION, UM, LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THAT IS A, THAT, THAT IS WHERE YOU CONSULT ME AND WE, WE, WE, WE TALK IT OUT IN REGARDS TO, UH, LEGALITY.
WE'RE ALSO NOT GONNA DO ANY STRAW VOTING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ALREADY GET IT PREPPED IN THERE AND THEN COME OUT HERE AND SAY, HEY, WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY BUSINESS.
ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYBODY'S VOTES THE SAME.
WHEN IT WAS DIFFERENT WHEN WE CAME IN.
WE, AGAIN, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE ARE, UM, APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY MEANS A LOT.
SO WHEN WE GO IN THERE AND WE'RE DISCUSSING SOMETHING LEGAL, UH, LEGAL QUESTION, WHEN WE COME BACK OUT, ANY TYPE OF VOTE OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE FEELING, WE DO IT OUT HERE.
WE WILL NOT DISCUSS, UH, SPECIFIC PROPERTIES IN THERE AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON THEM.
BUT THE ACT DOES NOT PROHIBIT MEMBERS FROM EXPRESSING OPINIONS OR INDICATING HOW THEY WILL VOTE.
SO NOBODY'S ASKING YOU TO, YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING.
NOBODY'S SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T EXPRESS YOURSELF.
BUT WHAT WE AREN'T GOING TO DO, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN THERE AND
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KIND OF PREP IT AND THEN COME OUT HERE AND DELIVER IT.WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AUTHENTICALLY OUT HERE.
INFORMATION THAT IS CONNECTED WITH THE TRANSACTION OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS, IF CREATED BY TRANSMITTED, RECEIVED BY, OR MAINTAINED BY AN OFFICE OR EMPLOYEE OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY AND THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, OR A PERSON OR ENTITY PERFORMING OFFICIAL BUSINESS.
SO I COULD TELL YOU YOUR INFORMATION IS PUBLIC BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY THAT YOU'RE WORKING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY HERE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS HERE CAN, UH, IS, IS, IS SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS.
OKAY? WHAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION? ANY ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION CREATED, TRANSMITTED, RECEIVED, OR MAINTAINED ON ANY DEVICE THAT THE COMMUNICATION IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSACTION OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS.
SO IF YOU'RE EMAILING EACH OTHER IN REGARDS TO THIS, THE, YEAH, GUESS WHAT YOUR, YOUR INFORMATION CAN IS, IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
THIS BOARD, UM, LIKE UNLIKE SOME OF THE OTHERS, IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL.
YOU'RE NOT ADVISORY YOUR DECISIONS HOLD LEGAL WEIGHT TO THE POINT WHERE IT HAS TO BE APPEALED IN DISTRICT COURT BY DRAFTING A
THAT'S A, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A BIG RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS BOARD.
UM, IF YOU READ THAT, IT SAYS YOU ARE OPERATING INDEPENDENTLY OF THE CITY.
DO YOU REPRESENT THE CITY? YES.
IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY? YES.
BUT DO YOU OPERATE DEPENDENT OF WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS? OF WHAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WANTS? YOU MAKE THE DECISION, WHICH IS WHY WHEN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES COMES UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH IT.
UM, THE BUILDING STANDARD BOARD IS QUASI-JUDICIAL, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
I I I KNEW, I I KNEW THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW DID I KNOW THAT? YEAH, IT GOES BACK TO SLIDE ONE.
OH, WHEN IT SAYS, IF WE'RE JUDICIAL, INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY, WHY ARE WE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY IF WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MEDIATING THE ISSUE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO A, A JUDGE THAT JUDGE IS, IS, IS, IS, IS HIRED AND WORKS FOR THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE INDEPENDENT OF THE CITY IN REGARDS TO THEIR DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO THEM.
I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT AS WE'RE NOT IN THE CITY FUNCTION BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DO.
WHEN THE CITY CAN'T COME TO A RESOLUTION WITH THE CLIENT OR THE PROPERTY DEFENDANT, THEN IT, IT, IT'S MEDIATED.
SO WE SHOULDN'T BE ATTACHED IN THIS MATTER WHERE WE ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY.
YOU ARE, YOU ARE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I THINK WHAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU ARE INDE OPERATE INDEPENDENTLY OF THE CITY AS THE CITY CANNOT INFLUENCE HOW YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO, UM, A JUDGE.
THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGES WORK FOR THE CITY, BUT THEY ARE INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE CITY WANTS BECAUSE THEIR DECISION HAS TO BE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO THEM.
THEY, THEY DON'T DO JUST BECAUSE THE PRESIDING JUDGE TELLS 'EM THEY SHOULD DO SOMETHING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS BOARD, THIS BOARD IS INDEPENDENT IN THE SENSE THAT THE CITY DOES NOT CONTROL HOW YOU MAKE A DECISION OR HOW YOU COME TO A DECISION OR THE ORDERS THAT YOU MAKE.
YOUR, YOUR CITY COUNCIL IS NOT GONNA CALL YOU AND SAY, HEY, I FOR THIS PROPERTY COMING UP AND I WANT YOU TO RULE THIS WAY.
BUT WHEN THE COMMUNITY READS THIS, LIKE YOU'VE SEEN IT, WHEN WE HAD THAT, WHEN WE WERE GOING OVER THE NEW OR AMENDING THE MM-HMM.
WE'RE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED OFF OF RIGHT.
YOU ARE NOT, YOU ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE, YOU, YOU ARE NOT THE RUBBER STAMP OF THE CITY.
I CAN'T, I I CAN'T PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM MAKING THAT ACCUSATION AGAINST YOU.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO THINK THAT YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA DO WHAT THE CITY TELLS YOU TO DO, THEN LET THEM THINK IT.
I I CAN ONLY TELL 'EM THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
WE COULD PROBABLY SHOW THEM WHERE THE LAW STATES THAT THEY'RE NOT, BUT IF THEY WANNA BELIEVE IT, THEY WANNA BELIEVE IT.
WE, WE SHOULD BE PAST THE POINT OF TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TRUE.
IF WE, IF THEY DON'T WANNA BELIEVE IT.
I THINK THE BIGGEST HANGUP IS, IS THEY, WHEN IT SAYS YOU ARE MEMBERS, YOU REPRESENT THE CITY.
I THINK THEY'RE, AS WE'RE EMPLOYED.
WELL, I BUT THAT WELL THEN MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF EMPLOYED AND AND
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THE DEFINITION OF REPRESENT IT, BE LIABLE.AND I I I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE DECISIONS THAT THIS BOARD MAKES AS A BOARD MEMBER IN YOUR OFFICIAL CAPACITY, YOU'RE PROTECTED IN THAT SENSE IN REGARDS TO LIABILITY, UM, OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
I THINK, UM, OUR DECISIONS ARE BASED ON THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE ONLY.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT WHAT, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TELLS US.
THE, THE POLICEMAN, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S BASED ON THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE.
SO ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES.
I GUESS MONEY'S GETTING CLEARED.
WE GOT THE BEST LAWYER FOR OUR MONEY, DON'T WE? OH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT.
AND OUR NEXT IS APARTMENT REGISTRATIONS.
WHAT, UH, NUMBER D AS IN DAVID.
APARTMENT REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
SEEMS YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE HERE FOR A WHILE.
I'M SURE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE PROACTIVE APARTMENT INSPECTION ORDINANCE THAT PASSED JUST RECENTLY.
UH, SO I'M JUST GONNA BRIEF YOU ON WHAT WE DID, HOW WE DID IT, AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE AT THE END.
DO I HAVE, HOW ARE YOU GONNA, OH, HOW DO I DO IT FROM HERE? OH, I HAVE THE KEYBOARD, RIGHT? I GOT IT.
DO YOU NEED TO CALL IT, YOU NEED TO ANNOUNCE IT.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, UH, BEFORE MR. TOMAS GETS STARTED.
THE BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD WILL RECONVENE.
IT IS NOW 11:34 AM WE'LL CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, AGAIN, I MEAN, TOMAS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES JUST GONNA GO OVER THE NEW, UH, PROACTIVE APARTMENT INSPECTION PROGRAM.
UM, THAT WAS BASICALLY VOTED ON BY MAYOR AND COUNCIL JUST RECENTLY.
I'LL TRY TO GO, GO THROUGH IT AS FAST AS I COULD AND ALLOW FOR QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE NO MATTER WHAT I DO, I'M GONNA GET SOME QUESTIONS,
BUT I GUESS THE FIRST THING IS TO, TO KNOW WHY, WHY, WHY WE ARE HERE.
WHY, WHY DID WE EVEN LOOK INTO A PROGRAM? THE WHOLE REASON FOR IT IS, UH, AND I NOTICED FROM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, FRED, YOU HAD FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU FOCUSED ON APARTMENTS.
WHEN WE DEAL WITH APARTMENTS, I MEAN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, CODE ENFORCEMENT, FIRE, PD, WHOEVER YOU ARE DEALING WITH, MULTIPLE FAMILIES VERSUS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT, YOU'RE DEALING WITH ONE FAMILY, ONE LANDLORD, POTENTIALLY.
IF YOU ARE RENTING ONE FAMILY IN APARTMENTS, YOU'RE DEALING WITH MULTIPLE FAMILIES.
UH, SO ANYTIME THERE IS AN ISSUE, IT COULD IMPACT MULTIPLE FAMILIES, MULTIPLE PEOPLE, VERSUS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNIT.
YOU MIGHT HAVE, AGAIN, MORE ISSUES.
SO, UH, COUNCIL REQUESTED US OR INSTRUCTED US TO CREATE A KIND OF LIKE A TASK FORCE GROUP, UH, TO ANALYZE WHAT'S HAPPENING, ANALYZE OUR STANDARD PROCESSES TODAY, AND SEE IF WE NEED TO COME UP WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE.
SO WE CREATED A, A STAKEHOLDER GROUP BASICALLY.
EACH ONE WAS MINIMUM THREE HOURS, SOME LASTED A LITTLE LONGER.
EVERY MEETING WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO WE INVITED THE PUBLIC TO EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND WE ALLOWED THEM TO SPEAK.
SO WE DID TAKE SOME OF THEIR FEEDBACK THAT THEY GAVE US, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE FOLLOWING MEETING.
THAT WAY, WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE CAPTURED WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, AGAIN, THE, THE, THE MEMBERSHIP FOR THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP WAS REALLY BALANCED.
AND I'LL, I'LL GO THROUGH THAT REALLY QUICK.
SO WE HAD RENTERS AND ADVOCATES FROM RENTERS, AND THEN WE HAD, UH, OWNERS
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AND LANDLORDS AND, UH, PROPERTY MANAGERS.BASICALLY, UH, DURING THAT PROCESS, WE STARTED AROUND, UH, OCTOBER, 2022 WITH ALL THESE MEETINGS.
AND WE WRAPPED UP LIKE IN MARCH, 2023.
SO MIDSTREAM IN THAT, IN DECEMBER, WE DID, UH, TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AGAIN, JUST OUTREACH TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AND AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE EVERYTHING WE HEAR.
SO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP WAS, AGAIN, CONSISTENT OF 10 MEMBERS.
FIVE REPRESENTING RENTERS AND ADVOCATES FOR RENTERS.
AND THE OTHER FIVE, AGAIN, AS I SAID, OWNERS, LANDLORDS, UH, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANIES.
SO IT WAS VERY BALANCED, UH, COMMITTEE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ONE SIDE TO OVERCOME THE OTHER SIDE.
AND EVERY MEETING WE HAD, WE MADE SURE WE ARE BALANCED.
WE HAVE, UH, APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF MEMBERS FROM BOTH SIDES.
WE ADDED TWO MORE ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE STAFF, UH, MEMBERS, UH, JUST IN CASE IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SHOW UP.
SO AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL GIVE THEM ALL KUDOS.
I MEAN, THEY ALL KIND OF SHOWED UP ALMOST EVERY MEETING.
I THINK THEY MISSED MAYBE ONE MEETING HERE OR THERE.
BUT REALLY ALL 12 MEETINGS, EVERYBODY WAS THERE.
UH, EVERYBODY WAS ENGAGED AND WE HAD A LOT OF HEATED DISCUSSIONS.
BUT I THINK AT THE END WE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH IT.
SO SOME OF THE MAJOR TOPICS WE TALKED ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY, STEP ONE WAS WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP, IS TO TALK ABOUT OUR CURRENT PROCESSES.
WHAT DO WE DO TODAY? WHAT'S OUR PROCESSES? SO THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT WE DO TODAY.
IF WE WANNA ENHANCE IT, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GO? UH, WHEN WE START DOING THAT, THE, THE FIRST THING WE NOTICED IS THERE'S SOME TERMINOLOGY THAT WE USE.
AND, UH, WE HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT AGAIN, LIKE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO NOTICES AND CITATIONS.
SO WHEN WE SAY NOTICES OF NOTICE OF VIOLATION DOESN'T MEAN A CITATION, BUT WE HEAR IT A LOT FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, FROM CITIZENS.
THEY KIND OF USE BOTH, UH, KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME.
SO AGAIN, WE MADE SURE WE CLARIFIED THAT TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT, WE, WE, AGAIN, WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
HE PULLED, UH, 18 MONTH OF DATA THAT WE HAD.
UM, ALL THE DATA, KIND OF LIKE THE NUMBERS I JUST TALKED TO YOU ABOUT.
SO ALL THE INSPECTIONS WE DO, WE HAVE RECORD OF OBVIOUSLY.
UH, HE PULLED 18 MONTH OF DATA AND HE PULLED SPECIFICALLY THE APARTMENTS FROM IT.
SO THAT WAY WE KNOW THE SIZE OF THE ISSUE WE ARE LOOKING AT.
BASICALLY, UH, WE ANALYZED THE DATA, DISSECTED THE DATA.
WE WENT TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
THEY CAME BACK, SAID, WE NEED YOU TO LOOK AT X, Y, Z.
WE CAME BACK, MODIFIED IT, LOOKED AT IT AGAIN.
SO WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE DATA, COUPLE, COUPLE OF MEETINGS REALLY AND, AND WENT THROUGH IT REALLY, UH, IN DEPTH, WHICH HELPED ALL OF US TO AGAIN, KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? UH, WE LOOKED AT THE COMMON VIOLATIONS THAT, THAT WE HAD.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED A LOT OF EDUCATION, NOT JUST FOR TENANTS, TENANTS, OWNERS, LANDLORDS, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY OBVIOUSLY NEED TO BE EDUCATED.
UM, TYING THIS TO THE TENANT'S RIGHTS, I KNOW NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES, THEY'RE WORKING ON TENANT'S RIGHTS AND I THINK THEY JUST PASSED IT BY COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
UH, A RESOLUTION FOR TENANT'S RIGHTS, BASICALLY.
SO AGAIN, THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF EDUCATION.
WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM HAND IN HAND AND MAKING SURE WE, WE RELAY THAT MESSAGE TO EVERYBODY.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE AT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS APARTMENTS.
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE AN ANNUAL, UH, PERMIT FOR MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, AND PLUMBING.
AND WE BROUGHT THE CHIEFS IN TO TALK TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO EXPLAIN WHY DO WE NEED THOSE PERMITS AND WHAT CAN THEY DO AND WHAT ARE THE ITEMS THEY CANNOT DO WITH THAT PERMIT? 'CAUSE THAT PERMIT DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING.
THEY CAN'T DO EVERYTHING WITH THOSE PERMITS.
UH, SO AGAIN, WE WENT THROUGH THAT, EXPLAINED ALL THAT TO THE, TO THE STAKEHOLDER.
HERE IS SOME OF THE COMMON VIOLATIONS THAT WE HAD IN THOSE 18 MONTH, UH, DATA THAT WE PULLED.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IN APARTMENTS YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE HIGHEST ONE IS INTERIOR, YOU KNOW, HOLES IN THE WALL, THINGS LIKE THAT IN INSIDE THE UNIT.
UH, THE SECOND ONE WAS, UH, OVERGROWN YARDS AND TRASH OUTSIDE.
THEN WATER LEAKS AND SEWER LEAKS WAS THE THIRD ONE ON THE LIST.
UH, EXTERIOR FOURTH, AND THEN DUMPSTER MAINTENANCE THE FIFTH.
SO AGAIN, THOSE WERE THE TOP FIVE THAT WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THOSE 18 MONTHS OF DATA.
SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE, WE, WE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND NEXT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TOOK TO CANCEL, BUT WE, WE TOOK EVERYTHING TO CANCEL, UH, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND IT WAS APPROVED AND IT WENT INTO EFFECT APRIL 2ND.
SO WE'VE BEEN BASICALLY WORKING ON THIS ORDINANCE NOW, EFFECTIVELY OVER A MONTH NOW.
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WE HAVE, WE HAVE GOOD DATA AND GOOD INFORMATION SO FAR.SO WHAT, WHAT WAS THE GOAL? THE MAIN GOAL IS BASICALLY WE DO HAVE GOOD, I WANT TO CALL THEM ACTORS.
WE HAVE GOOD LANDLORDS AND OWNERS RIGHT OUT THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME BAD ONES OUT THERE.
SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO GIVE INCENTIVE TO THE GOOD ONES TO STAY.
GOOD INCENTIVE, HOPEFULLY FOR THE BAD ACTORS OR THE BAD LANDLORDS OR MANAGEMENT COMPANIES, TO REALLY TRY TO GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND, AND BECOME GOOD BASICALLY.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE, THE GOAL IS WE WANT MINIMUM STANDARDS OF LIVING AND SAFETY AND WELFARE FOR THE TENANTS.
THAT'S REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.
SO THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES TO, UH, MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES WITH FIVE UNITS OR MORE.
AND THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS GROUP TWO IN THE I B C.
THAT WAS DEBATED A LOT WITH THE, WITH THE GROUP.
BUT THE REASON WHY, AGAIN, THEY, WE CAME UP WITH THIS FINAL THING IS, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DUPLEXES, TRIPLEX, OR QUAD, RIGHT? 'CAUSE AGAIN, THOSE ARE POTENTIALLY THE ISSUES ARE, ARE LESS THAN APARTMENTS.
AND WE DO HAVE OUR CODES AND STANDARDS.
SO IF THERE IS A VIOLATION, WE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY AND MOVE ON TO POTENTIALLY CITATIONS GO TO COURT.
SO NOTHING GONNA CHANGE AS FAR AS OUR NORMAL PROCESS, BUT THIS IS VERY UNIQUE TO, AGAIN, MULTIFAMILY WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT POTENTIALLY MIGHT BE IMPACTED.
THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE FIVE, FIVE UNITS OR MORE.
E E EDUCATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN THROUGHOUT.
BUT AGAIN, UH, THIS, THIS ORDINANCE APPLIES ONLY TO THOSE.
SO IF I HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS WITH SOME ISSUES, THEY WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO GETTING INTO THIS PROGRAM ONLY AGAIN, FIVE UNITS OR MORE, UH, IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AND AGAIN, WE JUST TRY TO LINE IT UP WITH THE EXISTING OR, UH, CODES THAT WE HAVE.
THE I B C CODE, INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, AND THE U D C UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO AGAIN, WE TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE STILL IN LINE WITH THOSE.
SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEM WAS WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF BAD ACTOR? HOW DO WE DEFINE A BAD, BAD ACTOR? UM, I MENTIONED DURING THOSE MEETINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I COULD BE A BAD ACTOR BECAUSE THE AC UNIT AT MY HOME BROKE DOWN AND THERE WAS NO PART.
SO I, I WAS WITH NO AC FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND MY WIFE IS YELLING AT ME EVERY DAY, WHY YOU'RE NOT FIXING IT, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT, I'M A BAD ACTOR, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO, TO GET IT FIXED QUICKLY.
SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE CAME UP WITH THIS, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S OVERALL THE CONCEPT OF YOU.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE A BAD, UH, LANDLORD OR, OR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IF YOU HAVE ONE CITATION BECAUSE AGAIN, THINGS HAPPEN.
BUT THE KEY HERE IS WE WANT YOU TO JUMP ON IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WHEN YOU KNOW THERE IS A VIOLATION, JUMP ON IT, TRY TO FIX IT.
SO AGAIN, THEY CAME UP WITH, UH, THREE, ANY PROPERTY, ANY APARTMENT THAT RECEIVES THREE UH, DESIGNATED CITATIONS WITHIN SIX MONTH PERIOD, THEY WILL BE CLASSIFIED AS BAD ACTOR AND THEY NEED TO REGISTER IN THIS PROGRAM.
UM, I DO, IF THEY TAKE CARE OF DE DEFICIENCY ON THE FIRST ONE AND THEY RECEIVE ANOTHER, DOES THAT STILL CLASSIFY 'EM EVEN THOUGH THEY TOOK CARE OR THEY GOTTA BE OUTSTANDING TO DEFINE 'EM AS A BAD ACTOR.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CITATIONS, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO I'M A LANDLORD, UM, YOU ARE A CODE OFFICER.
YOU COME TO ME AND SAY YOU HAVE THIS ISSUE.
NOW I HAVE NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND I HAVE 10 DAYS TO FIX IT.
IF I FIX IT IN 10 DAYS, I WILL NEVER GET CITATION.
SO THAT DOESN'T COUNT REGARDLESS.
SO IT HAS TO BE ED CITATION, BUT IF SPECIFICALLY, IF I GIVE YOU THE CITATION NOW, YOU DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF IT.
SO YOU, YOU COME BACK DAY 11 OR 12 AND YOU GIVE ME CITATION.
SO THAT'S CITATION NUMBER ONE.
BUT IF YOU TOOK CARE OF IT AFTER THAT, IT'S STILL A CITATION AND IT STILL GOES CORRECT.
IT, IT COUNTS TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM IF IT'S WITHIN THOSE SIX MONTHS.
SO LET'S SAY I GOT CITATION TODAY.
BUT THE NEXT ONE IS MONTH SEVEN FROM TODAY.
IT DOESN'T COUNT THE FIRST ONE DROPS BECAUSE IT'S A ROLLING SIX MONTHS.
BUT EVEN IF YOU TOOK CARE OF THE FIRST ONE OR THE SECOND, WHEN YOU, AND THE THIRD ONE YOU STILL CONSIDERED IF THEY, IF THEY ALL FALL WITHIN SIX RIGHT.
AND SO YOU ALWAYS GO BACK SIX MONTHS, ANY, ANY CITATION.
SO THE FIRST ONE COULD BE FOR PAINT G YOU TAKE CARE OF IT.
THE SECOND ONE COULD BE BE FOR GRASS.
IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU PHYSICALLY RECEIVE THREE CITATIONS, AND THE REASON WHY WE CALLED IT DESIGNATED, BECAUSE
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IT'S NOT EVERY CITATION AND THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WILL BE CA COUNTED FOR TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.THAT'S WHY WE CALL THEM DESIGNATED BECAUSE WE SPECIFIED CERTAIN CITATIONS THAT COUNT TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.
UM, SO IS THIS, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S FIVE UNITS OR MORE.
SO IF THEY HAVE 200 UNITS AND THEY GET CITATIONS ON 17 UNITS, DOES THAT ALL COUNT AS THE THREE WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS OR IS IT PER UNIT? NO, IT'S, IT'S PER COMPLEX.
SO IF IT'S 200 UNIT COMPLEX OR 50 UNIT COMPLEX, THE FIRST THREE CITATIONS THEY RECEIVE, IF THEY'RE DESIGNATED CITATIONS, THEY COUNT, THEN THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM.
IT COULD BE THREE CITATIONS FROM THE SAME UNIT, ONE UNIT OUT OF THOSE 200.
SO, OH, AND SO THAT DOES STACK, LIKE IF CODE GOES OUT AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 10 VIOLATIONS IN ONE UNIT, THAT ALL COUNTS.
BUT NOW DOES IT CAP AT THREE AND IT DOESN'T LIKE YOU'VE GOT 17, LIKE SHE SAID THEN IT, IT'S NOT FOR EVERY THREE.
IT CAPS AT THREE FOR EVERY SIX MONTHS.
SO IF SHE GET, LIKE SHE SAID, IF YOU GET 17 CITATIONS, YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY ON, 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THREE CRITICAL CITATIONS.
YOU DON'T KEEP TACKING FOR THE NEXT THREE, THE NEXT THREE UNTIL YOU HIT 17 IN THAT SIX MONTHS.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT FOLLOWING YOUR QUESTION, BUT I GUESS, I GUESS WE WILL NOT STOP ISSUING CITATIONS IF THERE IS NO, NO NO NEW VIOLATIONS.
RIGHT? BECAUSE IT SAID YOU GET THREE CITATIONS IN SIX MONTHS.
THE, THE CRITICAL CITATIONS, IF AS SHE SAID, YOU GET 17 IN ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX, DOES IT STOP AT THE THREE BECAUSE YOU'VE MET THAT QUOTA IN THE SIX MONTHS OR ARE YOU GONNA ADD THE UH, 17 THAT'S SO YOU DON'T ADD FROM THE THREE ON.
THE MINUTE, THE MINUTE YOU HIT THREE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM.
SO IF I GET 4, 5, 6, 7, RIGHT, SO THE OF THEM SEVEN, YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE PROGRAM.
NOW IF I GET 17 CITATIONS TODAY AND I DON'T GET ANY FOR SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY, THEN TECHNICALLY I CAN'T GET OUT OF THE PROGRAM AFTER THAT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU NEED TO HAVE THREE CITATIONS IN SIX MONTHS.
SO IT DEPENDS ON, BUT YOU GET 17 IN ONE DAY BASED OFF AN APARTMENT COMPANY.
YOU ARE, YOU ARE IN THE PROGRAM AUTOMATICALLY.
BUT DO, DO THE 17 ADD TO THE PROGRAM OR IS IT STOPPED AT THREE? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
'CAUSE IT SAYS, I DON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
IF YOU'RE GETTING, DO THEY ADD TO THE PROGRAM IF YOU'RE GETTING 17 CITATIONS FOR ONE APARTMENT COMPLEX? MM-HMM
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER? I SEE.
SO THE THE THREE CITATIONS IS JUST TO GET YOU IN THE PROGRAM, RIGHT? ANY CITATION IS A CITATION.
THE JUDGE WOULD MAKE RULING ON IT.
SO ONE CITATION 2, 20, 50, A HUNDRED CITATIONS.
YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS FOR CITATIONS THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.
BUT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO GET INTO THIS PROGRAM AND REGISTER WITH THE CITY.
AND AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF, PAY THE FEE AND ALL THAT AND, AND BE OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS.
AND AGAIN, I'LL GO THROUGH THAT THE MINUTE YOU HIT THREE.
SO IF I GET ONE CITATION, I'M NOT REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM.
IF I GET TWO CITATIONS, I'M NOT REQUIRED.
NOW I KEEP PILING UP 4, 5, 6, 17, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO WHEN APARTMENT COMPLEXES COME TO THE BOARD, WOULD, HOW WOULD WE KNOW THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM? IS IT GONNA BE IN THE REPORT FROM THE FULL COMPLIANCE? WAIT, WE WOULD NOTIFY YOU.
WE WILL DEFINITELY LET YOU KNOW.
SO TO GO BACK TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED FRED, UH, IN REGARDS TO UM, DESIGNATED CITATIONS, RIGHT? SO YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
SO THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE HAS OVER A HUNDRED DIFFERENT SECTIONS, DIFFERENT POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS, RIGHT? CODES IN IT.
SO THE STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE, WHAT THEY DID IS WE REVIEWED ACTUALLY ONE BY ONE.
SO WE WENT THROUGH DOWN IT DOWN THE LIST, ONE SECTION BY ONE SECTION.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT, DEBATED ABOUT IT.
AS I SAID, THERE WAS SOME HEATED CONVERSATIONS.
ONE GROUP WANTS IT IN, ONE GROUP DOESN'T AND SO FORTH.
BUT AT THE END WE ENDED UP WITH ABOUT 66, 2 THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE WILL COUNT TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.
MAINLY THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY WERE LOOKING AT I GUESS THE TOP ISSUES, STRUCTURE ISSUES, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING ISSUES, FIRE HAZARDS, UH, EGRESS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF I HAVE TALL GRASS AND I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, I, I'M PROPERTY OWNER, I HAVE TALL GRASS AND I GET CITATION FOR IT.
I GET 17 CITATIONS FOR TALL GRASS.
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THE PROGRAM 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE TOP ISSUES.AND IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE 66 DESIGNATED CITATIONS THAT ARE REALLY THE MAIN LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.
TALL GRASS WILL NOT, IT WILL CAUSE SOME ISSUES BUT DOESN'T CAUSE IMMEDIATE ISSUES ON LIFE SAFETY, LIKE EXPOSED ELECTRICAL WIRE IN MY UNIT, RIGHT? THINGS LIKE THAT.
STRUCTURE COMPONENTS, THE WALL GONNA FALL, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO AGAIN, THE MAIN COMPONENTS ARE STRUCTURE, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, INTERIOR SURFACES MEANS OF EGRESS, FIRE SAFETY AND PEST INFESTATION.
THOSE COUNT TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.
THIS IS ROBERT TAPI CAN A MAIN, CAN YOU ADD PREJUDICE, ARCHITECTS, ARCHITECTURAL COMMA ENGINEERING, I'M SORRY, UH, ARCHITECT, ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING.
THOSE TWO PEOPLE GOTTA BE TOGETHER AND GOTTA BE NOTICED EVERYWHERE IN MY OPINION.
NOT JUST THE FIRST BULLET POINT WAS STRUCTURAL.
WELL WE, WE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF.
WE ARE SAYING IF THE BUILDING HAS A STRUCTURE ISSUES, YES, IT'S PRIMARY BE, IT'LL BE IN THE PROGRAM.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHO GONNA DICTATE THAT.
IF IT'S AN ENGINEER, ARCHITECT OR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER OR WHOEVER WE ARE JUST SAYING THE ISSUE, IF I HAVE A WALL THAT GONNA FALL, THAT'S A STRUCTURE ISSUE, RIGHT? AND IF I ISSUE CITATION FOR THAT, THAT COUNTS TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM BASED OFF OF THAT, WOULDN'T YOUR CITY ENGINEER BASED OFF RECOMMENDATION, WE COULD GO OUT AND SAY, YEAH, THAT IS A STRUCTURE ISSUE.
SO IT WOULD ALREADY BE COVERED UNDER THE ARCHITECT OR ENGINEER.
SOMETIMES I, I JUST WANT TO, I WANT TO BE NOTICED FIRST TOO WITH THE ENGINEERS
BUT, BUT LET ME REMIND YOU THOUGH, THE CITY STAFF HAS MANY ENGINEERS IN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF.
SO THERE'S ENGINEERS INVOLVED, ARCHITECTS, THE BUILDING'S BUILT.
SO WE CAN ALMOST IGNORE ARCHITECT AT THIS TIME AND GO TO THE ENGINEERS.
WELL I, I I, I WANNA, I WANNA DEFEND, I'M GOING, I'M GOING TO DEFEND ROBERT A JUST KIDDING.
WE DO, WE DO HAVE TO ARCHITECT STUFF.
SO WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS DRAW YEAH, PLEASE.
I MEAN WE NEED TO HIT, WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS, IN OUR OPINION PROCESS AESTHETICALLY I HEAR YOU.
BUT AGAIN, WE, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DISCIPLINE HERE.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHO GONNA DICTATE THIS OR WHAT TYPE IS IT ARCHITECTURE OR ENGINEERING? WE ARE SAYING IF THE STRUCTURE HAS A AN ISSUE THAT GONNA COUNT.
IF THE STRUCTURE HAS ELECTRICAL ISSUES, IT CAN ACCOUNT TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.
AND THE PERSON WHO GONNA DICTATE THIS IS NORMALLY THE CODE OFFICER OR DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER OR IF NEEDED WE GET OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR OR OBVIOUSLY MYSELF OR MIKE SHANNON.
BUT WE ARE NOT SAYING IT HAS TO BE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO GONNA TELL US THAT.
THIS IS JUST SAYING THE ISSUE.
MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL STRUCTURE ISSUES, UH, MEANS OF EGRESS, RIGHT? I MEAN THOSE ARE THE, THE ITEMS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
NOT DEF NOT WHO GONNA MAKE THAT CALL.
WE'RE NOT SAYING AN ARCHITECT, ARCHITECT CANNOT MAKE THAT CALL, BUT IT'S REALLY CODE ENFORCEMENT DECISION.
WE HAVE TWO ARCHITECTS, DON'T WORRY.
SO NOW ONCE, ONCE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED AGAIN, SOMEBODY GOT THREE DESIGNATED CITATIONS IN SIX MONTH PERIOD, NOW THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED.
WE WILL NOTIFY THEM AND WE WILL TELL THEM THEY NEED TO REGISTER.
THEY HAVE 10 DAYS TO REGISTER WITH US.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS, TECHNICALLY THE MINUTE THEY REGISTER, THEY ARE GIVING US, I WANT TO CALL IT, UM, RIGHT OF ENTRY TO GO DO INSPECTIONS ON REGULAR BASIS EVERY MONTH WE'RE GONNA GO OUT THERE AND DO MINIMUM 5% OF THEIR UNITS.
SO IF IT'S A HUNDRED UNIT APARTMENT, WE'RE GONNA DO FIVE THIS MONTH.
NEXT MONTH WE'RE GONNA DO ANOTHER FIVE AND SO FORTH FOR MINIMUM SIX MONTH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS.
SO I'M COVERING 30% OF THEIR UNITS IN THAT SIX MONTH.
NOW, UH, THAT'S AGAIN, IF, IF WE GO AND WE INSPECT THOSE FIVE AND THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY BAD, WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSPECT MORE.
BUT AGAIN, REGISTERING THEM IN THE PROGRAM IS GIVING ME THAT PERMISSION.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN ISSUES FOR THE REGISTRATION.
'CAUSE TODAY IF I GO TO AN APARTMENT, I DON'T GO AND KNOCK ON EVERY DOOR WITHOUT GETTING PERMISSION FROM THE, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
SO IF THEY TELL ME, NO, YOU CANNOT DO IT, THEN I CANNOT DO IT UNLESS I GET A WARRANT FROM THE JUDGE BEING REGISTERED IN THE PROGRAM.
SO THE MINUTE THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM, THEY ALREADY GAVE ME THE PERMISSION TO GO DO INSPECTIONS.
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ONE OF THE BENEFITS IS TO BECOME MORE PROACTIVE.WE'RE GONNA DO MORE PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS AT THOSE APARTMENTS VERSUS WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO CALL US.
AND THEY'RE GONNA BE RANDOM MINIMUM 5% EVERY MONTH.
SO YOU, ARE Y'ALL GONNA WAIT FOR THE
NO, TRUST ME, THEY WILL NEVER CALL US.
NO, I KNOW WE, WE GONNA KEEP TRACK.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP TRACK OF ALL THAT.
SO WHEN WE ISSUE THE CITATIONS, WE ARE KEEPING TRACK OF THAT.
NO, WE ARE NOT WAITING ON ANYBODY.
DO YOU DO, ARE YOU WAITING, UH, FOR CALLS TO COME IN TO ORIGINALLY GO AND LOOK AT THE APARTMENT? OR IS YOU GUYS ARE JUST GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF APARTMENTS IN GENERAL? YES, WE ARE GONNA WAIT FOR THE CALLS TO COME IN BECAUSE AGAIN, REMEMBER BASED ON TODAY'S CODE, I CANNOT JUST WALK INTO AN APARTMENT AND START KNOCKING ON DOORS AND DOING INSPECTIONS.
SO IF SOMEBODY CALLS ME, SAY I'M IN UNIT 1 0 1, COME LOOK AT MY AIR HANDLING UNIT OR WHATEVER, WE'LL GO TO THAT UNIT 'CAUSE WE GOT THE PERMISSION FROM THE TENANT TO GO INSPECT IT.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA GO AROUND AND INSPECT OTHER ONES.
BUT LET'S SAY I GET THAT CALL, I GET 17 CITATIONS IN THE SAME UNIT, THEN THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM.
NOW IF I GET ONE, THEN I GET ONE AND WE'LL WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE TO COME.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE SHOW UP TO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, IF THERE IS MAJOR ISSUES AND SOMEBODY IS AT HOME THAT THAT TIME WHEN WE ARE THERE, THEY COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU COME LOOK AT MY UNIT? SO I GUESS WHEN WE GET THERE ONCE, SOMETIMES WE PICK UP MORE THAN ONE ISSUE AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
THEY, WE JUST DO THE ONE UNIT AND LEAVE.
SO OVERALL, YES, WE GONNA WAIT TILL WE GET THOSE CALLS AND BASED ON THE CALLS WE WILL DETERMINE AGAIN WHAT THE VIOLATION IS AND IF IT ENDS UP TO BE CITATION, AS I SAID, WHEN THEY HIT THE MARK OF THREE, THE THRESHOLD OF THREE CITATIONS, THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM.
AND THE OTHER THING, BASICALLY WHEN THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM, THEY NEED TO PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER UNIT PER YEAR.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT'S COST RECOVERY.
BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA PAY US FOR THE STAFF.
WE DON'T WANT GOOD ACTORS TO PAY ANYTHING.
RIGHT? UH, SOME OF OTHER CITIES LIKE DALLAS, THEY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR APARTMENTS.
EVERY APARTMENT PAYS AND THEY DO INSPECTIONS.
SOME APARTMENTS GET IN INSPECTED ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS AND SOME MORE DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THE CASES THERE.
BUT EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT.
SO THIS PROGRAM IS AGAIN, GEARED TOWARDS BAD ACTORS AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE THE ONE WHO ARE PAYING FOR IT, NOT, NOT THE GOOD GUYS, I GUESS.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, SO IF I GET IN THE PROGRAM AND I HAVE TO STAY SIX MONTHS, HOW DO I GET OUT? OR AM I IN THE PROGRAM FOREVER? SO AGAIN, THEY CAME UP WITH A DEFINITION, THEY CALLED IT GRADUATION.
SO YOU CAN GRADUATE OUTTA THE PROGRAM, KIND OF THE SAME CONCEPT YOU GOT IN TO GET IN, YOU HIT THAT THREE MARK OF A THRESHOLD OF THREE CITATIONS.
TO GET OUT, YOU NEED TO BE LESS THAN THREE IN SIX MONTHS.
ROLLING SIX MONTHS AND ALL THE, AND TO ANSWER FRED'S QUESTION ABOUT THAT, TO GET OUTTA THE PROGRAM, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY OPEN VIOLATION.
SO I CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN TECHNICALLY TWO CITATIONS IN SIX MONTHS.
BUT THAT DAY, IF WE'RE GONNA SAY, YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT OF THE PROGRAM, NO MORE THAN TWO CITATIONS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, EVERY OPEN VIOLATION NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA STAY IN THE PROGRAM.
AND, AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WHERE SHE SAID 17 ON THE APARTMENT, IF THEY GET THE FIRST THREE IN, THEY'RE IN THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T GOT THE 17 DONE.
THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROGRAM UNTIL THEY'RE COMPLETED.
AND LET ME UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE I, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT.
DID YOU SAY THAT ONLY PHONE CALLS, SO IF A CODE IS DOING A, UH, DRIVE AND THEY SEE A, A FENCE ISSUE, DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN'T GO AND DO A CITATION FOR THAT FENCE? OR THEY'RE ONLY WAITING FOR CALLS TO GO ON THE PROPERTY? A ANYTHING WE SEE FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSPECT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE RULE FOREVER.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT CHANGED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE ARE TALKING MAINLY ABOUT ISSUES IN THE UNITS.
THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE SAYING FENCE ISSUES, TALL GRASS, MAYBE SOME WATER LEAKS, SEWER LEAKS OUTSIDE.
IF WE SEE THAT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF THAT.
AND KIND OF TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
SO I GET A CALL FOR A UNIT FOR AIR HANDLING UNIT ISSUE.
AND I GET INTO THAT UNIT, I SEE THAT, BUT THEN I SEE THE, THE ROOF IS LEAKING, RIGHT.
SO IT'S NOT, I GONNA WAIT FOR THE TENANT TO CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, I HAVE THAT ISSUE.
SO WE WOULD PICK UP ANYTHING WE SEE IN THAT UNIT IN THE PROACTIVE, LIKE BEFORE IN
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THE PROACTIVE FORM.SO IF YOU SEE ONE ISSUE AND THEN THERE'S LIKE A DUMPSTER ISSUE, THEN YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY GIVE THEM THE CORRECTION.
BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT EXCUSE WHERE YOU USE THE FENCE TO COME ON MY PROPERTY AND START WRITING ME UP.
BUT AGAIN, IF, IF I SEE THE FENCE, I GONNA GET ON THE PROPERTY JUST FOR EXTERIOR, BECAUSE THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC VIEW.
SO I CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
I DON'T NEED PERMISSION FROM ANYBODY.
ANY OF US CAN WALK INTO ANY APARTMENT IF IT'S OPEN.
BUT I CAN'T WALK INTO THE UNITS.
THAT'S WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM OWNER, LANDLORD MANAGEMENT COMPANY, OR THE TENANT.
THIS DOESN'T COVER, AS WE SAW IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS CASES BEFORE US PARKING LOTS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, I I DIDN'T SEE THE WELL MAINTENANCE.
IT WOULD PROBABLY FALL UNDER THE MAINTENANCE CODE.
AGAIN, WE, WE ARE NOT, WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET ANY FREEBIES FROM THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE, BUT THERE IS CERTAIN CITATIONS IF THEY RECEIVE THOSE, THEY DO NOT COUNT TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM.
BUT IF THEY RECEIVE THE CITATION, IT IS A CITATION AND WE'RE STILL GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECTED.
SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING, YOU KNOW, ANY FREEZE OR ANY FREEBIES.
SO, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE TOPICS THEY TALKED ABOUT, WHAT IF WE HAVE, UM, REPEAT OFFENDER, SO SOMEBODY GETS IN THE PROGRAM, THEY STAY SIX MONTHS, THEY GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER, THEY GET OUTTA THE PROGRAM, THEN FEW DAYS LATER, FEW MONTHS LATER, THEY GET BACK IN THE PROGRAM.
'CAUSE THEY GET THREE CITATIONS IN SIX MONTHS.
SO THEY, THEY, WE PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL BASICALLY FOR A PROBATIONARY PERIOD OF FOUR YEARS.
SO IF YOU GET IN THE PROGRAM, YOU GET OUT, YOU HAVE FOUR YEARS.
IF YOU GET BACK IN THE PROGRAM IN THOSE FOUR YEARS, NOW EVERYTHING GONNA DOUBLE, NOT THE FEE BUT THE TIME.
SO REMEMBER IF TO GET IN THE PROGRAM, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN IT FOR MINIMUM SIX MONTHS.
SO NOW YOU NEED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM FOR A MINIMUM 12 MONTH.
AND WE ARE DOING 5% INSPECTIONS EVERY MONTH.
SO TECHNICALLY NOW I'M HITTING 60% OF THE UNITS.
ANOTHER QUESTION, IF I HAVE JUST GOT OFF THE PROGRAM AND I'M A PROPERTY OWNER AND I PICK UP THREE MORE AND IT HASN'T HIT YOUR DESK YET TO COME OUT AND I SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, DOES IT GO WITH THE LAY OF THE LAND? LIKE, OR IT'S A NEW PROPERTY OWNER AS WE SAW ON SOME OF THESE OTHERS WHERE THEY, AND I SELL IT TO MR. NELSON TO GET OUT OF MY SIDE SO HE DOESN'T GET THE, BUT ONCE HE, IS THAT GOING WITH THE LAY OF THE LAND OR IS IT GOING WITH THE OWNERSHIP? GOOD QUESTION.
UM, MY, MY ANSWER, BUT I'LL LET LEGAL PROBABLY JUMP IN THAT MY ANSWER WILL BE IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT BE BECAUSE IF, IF THE CITATIONS ARE DUE TO STRUCTURE OR ELECTRICAL OR MECHANICAL ISSUES IN THE UNIT, I DON'T CARE WHO THE OWNER IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT ISSUE STILL EXISTS.
MY QUESTION WAS, IF I GET OFF THE PROGRAM, I'M APARTMENT OWNER, I'M RACK UP THREE MORE BEFORE THEY CAN COME OUT AND, AND, AND GET ME ON THE NEXT PART OF IT, AND I TURN AROUND AND SELL IT TO MR. NELSON.
THE CITATION STAYS WHERE IT'S LIKE THE COURT RULING LAY OF THE LAND.
NOT OWNERSHIP TO GET OUT OF THE, SO IT DOESN'T GET ON, I JUST SELL IT TO MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR HERE TO, RIGHT.
YOU, YOU'RE ASKING IF THE, THE REQUIREMENT TO BE IN THE REGISTRATION IN THE PROGRAM RUNS WITH THE LAND, IF, IF A SUBSEQUENT BUYER OWNS THE PROPERTY OR, OR I RACK IT UP, IF I RACK UP ANOTHER VIOLATION, ANOTHER THREE VIOLATIONS TO GET BACK ONTO THE SECOND PART OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS 12 MONTHS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
I'M GONNA SAY, UM, IT WOULD STAY WITH THAT OWNER.
AND HERE'S WHY I WOULD SAY THAT.
BUT AGAIN, YOU'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION THAT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I KNOW THE EXACT ANSWER TO, UH, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE, MAYBE I SHOULD HOLD OFF ON ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
WELL THEN THAT'S WHY I WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME, BECAUSE WE SAW SOME OF THIS BEFORE WITH A MANAGERS CHANGING IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO GET OUTTA THE TROUBLE.
I, THE MANAGER WAS CHANGING IT TO GET OUTTA TROUBLE.
THE QUESTION IS VALIDLY, IF YOU OWN PROPERTY A AND DECIDE TO SELL IT TO MR. NELSON, IS MR. NELSON NOW CONSIDERED A BAD ACTOR? 'CAUSE HE BOUGHT A THAT'S, I I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD GUESS NO, BUT I, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXACT ANSWER.
AND IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME I WILL.
IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME, I'LL FIND OUT.
I'M PRETTY POSITIVE IT'S GONNA STAY WITH THE PROPERTY.
WELL, I, YEAH, BECAUSE I, I HOPE I'M PRETTY POSITIVE IT'S GONNA STAY WITH THE PROPERTY.
IF THAT COMES TO US, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW? UM, WAIT, WAIT.
JUST TO, JUST TO BE ON RECORD.
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SAY, HI, MS. RA IS WATCHING US, AND SHE SAYS IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY.THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME UP.
SO WHY DID Y'ALL DECIDE NOT TO FIND THEM AGAIN? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY PROPERTY OWNERS LEARN HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTY, IS TO HIT 'EM IN THE POCKET.
YOU HAVE TO HIT 'EM IN THE POCKET IN ORDER FOR THEM TO SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I NEED TO CORRECT THIS OR SELL IT OR SOMETHING.
THEY WON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
EVERY TIME THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REGISTER IN THE PROGRAM, THEY WILL PAY.
BUT WHAT I MEANT IS WE ARE NOT GONNA DOUBLE THE FEE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY NOT, BECAUSE WE
SO REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME YOU GET IN THE PROGRAM, YOU ARE IN IT ONLY FOR SIX MONTHS.
BUT TECHNICALLY YOU PAY IT FOR A YEAR ALREADY.
NEXT TIME YOU GET IN THE PROGRAM, YOU STILL PAY IT.
BUT AGAIN, YOU PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER UNIT PER YEAR.
BUT NOW YOU ARE IN THE PROGRAM FOR A FULL YEAR.
WHAT DO THEY MEAN? SO THEY DOUBLE THE TIMEFRAME YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY DID NOT DOUBLE THE FEE ITSELF.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA PAY IT AGAIN.
IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GONNA GET IN THE PROGRAM AND NOT PAY THE SECOND TIME.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A SHAME BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY ONLY LEARN BY HITTING THEM IN THE POCKET.
ONE, ONE OF ONE OF THE FEARS THAT WE ALL HAD IS YOU KEEP PILING MONEY ON WHAT'S THE LANDLORD GONNA DO, PUSH IT DOWN TO THE TENANTS.
SO, I MEAN, YES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO NOT BE IN THE PROGRAM.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANNA KEEP PUSHING TOO HARD AND THEN ALL, ALL THAT MONEY GOES BACK TO THE TENANT.
SO WE KIND OF REALLY DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH WHAT, WHAT WE WANTED.
UH, WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY, UH, PER UNIT? PER UNIT THAT HAS AN, UH, A VIOLATION OR PER UNIT ON THE PROPERTY? SO IF THEY HAVE TWO UNITS PER UNIT OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED UNITS AND ONE UNIT GOT THREE CITATIONS, THEY PAY A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HUNDRED UNITS.
SO PER UNIT, PER VIOLATION, PER NO, PER UNIT BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COMPLEX HAS.
SO JUST TAKE THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY HAVE ON THE PROPERTY, NOT THE ONES WITH VIOLATIONS TOTAL.
AND YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY A HUNDRED.
AND, AND, UH, PROACTIVE APARTMENTS INSPECTION SUMMARY.
SO CAN WE HOLD ON THAT FOR A SECOND? LET ME WRAP UP THIS AND THEN WE, WE'LL JUMP INTO NUMBERS.
SO JUST REAL QUICK, UH, SO NOTIFICATION, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO, AND WE, WE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO, BECAUSE IT'S CITY AND STATE REQUIREMENT, ANYTIME WE HAVE VIOLATION AND UH, WE ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, WE HAVE TO POST IT ON SITE OR HAND IT TO SOMEBODY.
SOME OF THE APARTMENTS, THEY DO HAVE A MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEY MIGHT BE THERE.
SO WE KNOCK THE DOOR, WE GIVE THEM THE NOTICE.
IF THEY'RE NOT THERE, BUT THEY HAVE AN OFFICE, WE'RE GONNA POST IT THERE.
SOME OF THEM DON'T EVEN HAVE AN OFFICE, WE'RE STILL GONNA POST IT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE FEEL THAT'S THE MOST VISIBLE PLACE.
BUT BY STATE LAW, WE NEED TO STILL MAIL IT OUT, WHICH WE'RE GONNA DO.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE DO TODAY AND WHAT GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE HERE IS SOME OF THE GOOD ACTORS, THEY SAID, I'M GETTING THAT NOTICE DAY EIGHT OR DAY NINE IN THE MAIL, AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
SO NOW SUDDENLY I HAVE ONE OR TWO DAYS TO FIX THE ISSUE AND YOU'RE GONNA SHOW UP THE DAY AFTER AND HIT ME WITH THAT.
SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE, WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT BEFORE US WHILE YOU'RE WAITING ON CODE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE ISSUE.
BUT TO FIX THAT, WE SAID, WE ARE OPEN TO SENDING YOU THE NOTICE VIA EMAIL.
GIVE ME AN EMAIL ADDRESS, I'LL SEND IT TO YOU THE SAME DAY OR THE VERY NEXT DAY, DEPENDING ON WHEN THE INSPECTION, IF IT'S LATE, I'LL SEND IT NEXT DAY.
IF IT'S IN THE MORNING, I'LL SEND IT THE SAME DAY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT NOTICE OF VIOLATION EMAILED TO YOU AGAIN REALLY QUICK.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE MINIMUM NINE DAYS, MAYBE 10 DAYS.
SO THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE ANYMORE.
SO YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO FIX THE ISSUE OR AT LEAST TO START FIXING THE ISSUE.
SO THAT'S THE ONE CHANGE WE DID HERE.
BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF MAILING AND ALL THAT TOO, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH STATE RULES.
SO, SO WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT PRACTICE, BUT THIS IS
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IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER, TO, TO THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.WE'RE JUST GONNA SEND AN EMAIL IF WE HAVE THAT EMAIL ADDRESS.
SO AGAIN, WE CALLED IT COURTESY.
'CAUSE IF WE MAKE IT A RULE THAT WE HAVE TO SEND AN EMAIL, WHAT IF I DON'T HAVE AN EMAIL ADDRESS? THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE IT.
SO WE CALLED IT COURTESY EMAIL.
WE DID POST ONLINE AND WE OBVIOUSLY TALKED TO THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION AND WE ARE PUSHING IT OUT.
IF YOU WANT US TO MA EMAIL YOU ANY NOTICES, GIVE US YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS.
UH, AND WE HAVE A LINK ONLINE.
SO PEOPLE ARE ADDING, UM, THEIR INFORMATION IN, I THINK WE ARE UP TO 178 OR A HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN, A HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT ADDRESSES THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, APARTMENTS ADDED TO THE SYSTEM.
SO AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE ARE, ARE RESPONDING.
SO AS I SAID, THIS IS A COURTESY REQUIREMENT THAT WE ARE DOING.
IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MA, IT'S, IT'S NOT A MANDATE FOR US.
OKAY? OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING WE DO IN CODE, UH, BASICALLY EVERYTHING WE DO HERE AT THE CITY, PERMITTING OR, OR CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, THERE IS ALWAYS A DUE PROCESS.
AND, UH, ANYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE DID HERE, REMEMBER WE CALLED IT ABOUT, WE CALLED IT THREE DESIGNATED CITATIONS, RIGHT? SO WE ISSUED A CITATION, IT'S STILL GONNA GO TO THE COURT.
WHAT IF THE JUDGE SAYS, NO, THIS IS NOT CITATION, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T WANNA WAIT BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT GOES TO COURT, THEY KEEP RESETTING.
SO NOW THEY MIGHT RESET IT FOR SIX MONTHS.
NOW THEY DROP THAT ONE AFTER THOSE SIX MONTH PERIOD.
SO WHAT WE SAID IS, WE GONNA ISSUE THE CITATION.
YOU HAVE 10 DAYS TO APPEAL TO THE DIRECTOR HERE AND SAY, THIS IS WHY I, I BELIEVE THE CITATION IS WRONG, OR HERE IS SOME INFORMATION I HAVE, CAN YOU NOT COUNT IT? SO IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT THEY, THEY CAN DO.
THE DIRECTOR WILL REVIEW IT AND DECIDE YES OR NO.
UH, BUT IF THE DIRECTOR DENIES THAT REQUEST AND SAYS, NO, IT IS GOOD TO GO, IT COUNTS.
AND AT THAT POINT, IF YOU HIT THE, THE THREE, THE THRESHOLD OF THREE, YOU'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER.
NOW DOWN THE ROAD, IT GOES TO COURT AND THE JUDGE SAYS, NO, THIS IS NOT A CITATION.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME OF THOSE ISSUES POTENTIALLY.
BUT AGAIN, THEY HAVE 10 DAYS TO APPEAL, UH, ADMINISTRATIVELY TO US, JUST AGAIN, DUE PROCESS.
SO NOW I GUESS THIS IS, UH, MR. ZUNIGA, THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I CANNOT SEE ANYTHING FROM HERE, PERIOD.
SO IT'S LIKE I CAN'T
SO EVEN WITH, YEAH, DANNY, CAN YOU SEE THIS STUFF?
SAFE OR, UH, SAFE OR, UH, DISTRICT SIX IN THE FIRST, UH, SHARK, UH, IT HAS, UH, APARTMENTS INSPECTED 99, AND THAT WAS FROM APRIL TO SEVEN DAYS.
MAY THE THIRD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO THIS, THIS INFORMATION IS FROM APRIL 2ND TO MAY 11TH.
UH, UH, SO THIS IS EVERYTHING WE, WE INSPECTED SO FAR.
SO IS THAT NINE NINE APARTMENTS OR, UH, UH, IT'S NOT NINE, NINE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX, RIGHT? NO, THESE COLUMNS ARE SEPARATED THERE.
IT SAYS APARTMENT INSPECTIONS.
AND THEN THE NEXT COLUMN OVER SAYS COMPLEX SIX INSPECTED.
SO THE FIRST COLUMN IS OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL DISTRICT NUMBER.
THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS WE DID.
SO WE DID 99 INSPECTIONS, RIGHT? THE FOLLOWING COLUMN IS HOW MANY UNIQUE ADDRESSES.
SO THAT'S REALLY HOW MANY COMPLEXES WE, WE TOUCHED.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND ONE, SECOND ONE, AND THAT'S WHAT, SEVEN DAYS AND THEN, UH, MAY 11TH, WHATEVER IT WAS, MAY THE THIRD ONE ON, ON THAT ONE YOU INSPECTED 20 APARTMENTS AND NINE COMPLEXES.
SO THE BOTTOM TABLE IS REALLY JUST THE LAST WEEK, THE LAST SEVEN DAYS OF INSPECTIONS THAT WE DID, MAY THE THIRD OR WHATEVER, CORRECT? YEAH.
ABSOLUTELY SAID WE HAVE 99 APARTMENT COMPLEXES,
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT, BUT THE COMPLEXES WE DID, WE DID 99 INSPECTIONS IN DISTRICT SIX.
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THAT'S WHAT I'M MEAN.IT WAS, THEY MIGHT BE ONE ONE
WHEN IT SAID 18 MONTHS OF DATA PULLED, 18 MONTHS, WAS THAT EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX OR ONLY CITATIONS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES? NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS EVERYTHING WE HAVE ABOUT APARTMENT COMPLEXES CITYWIDE FOR 18 MONTHS.
SOME OF THEM HAD NOTICES OF VIOLATIONS, SOME OF THEM HAD CITATIONS.
SO ALL THE ONES WHO HAVEN'T, AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE DATA.
THEY'RE NOT IN ANY DATA THAT IS COMPILED FOR APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND THEN I GUESS THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE OUT OF THE 20 APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN DISTRICT SIX, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED, I GUESS, OLDER UNITS, OLDER APARTMENTS, AND VERSUS THE NEWER ONES? IS THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE, OR IS IT NOT? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
BUT THIS PROGRAM DOESN'T ALLOW NEW VERSUS OLD, LIKE THIS, THIS APPLIES TO EVERYBODY A CITATION RE REGARDLESS OF THE, THE, THE AGE OF THE APARTMENT.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT CITATIONS VIOLATIONS THAN CITATIONS, CORRECT? NOT THE AGE OF THE, LIKE WE DO IN SOME OF THE AREAS AGE OF THE, LIKE DISTRICT FIVE, THE OLDER ONES.
WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT STRAIGHT CITATIONS.
I MEAN, NOT JUST THIS PROGRAM CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE, WE, WE DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE.
IT'S, IT'S ALL BASED ON VIOLATIONS AND CITATIONS CITYWIDE.
AND I, AND I AM ASKING BECAUSE IN THE AMOUNT OF APARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE AND ARE STILL BEING BUILT IT, THIS PROGRAM, I THINK, UM, WHAT IS IT CALLED? HB 2127, WHICH I THINK THE COUNCIL'S SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THAT.
THE PREEMPTION, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THAT.
I THINK IT'S TUESDAY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO OVER IT.
'CAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A LAW.
ONCE HE SIGNS IT, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF ORDINANCES IN CITIES.
IS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT? AND IT WILL THE, UH, D S D LOOK AT WHAT THE NEW CHANGES ARE GONNA BE IN THE ORDINANCES AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO ON THE BOARD.
DEFINITELY WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERYTHING ONCE IT'S SIGNED.
NOW THERE IS A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THAT, THAT, UH, HOUSE BILL OR SENATE BILL, I GUESS IT WAS APPROVED BY BOTH.
SO I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.
I KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ANDY AND HIS TEAM IS LOOKING AT ALL THIS.
UM, NO MATTER WHAT, THE MINUTE IT'S SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, WE HAVE 60 DAYS, NOT JUST US, ANY CITY.
HAS 60 DAYS BASICALLY TO REVIEW IT.
AND WE MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WHAT APPLIES AND WHAT DOESN'T APPLY.
'CAUSE NOT EVERYTHING CAN APPLY TO THIS ORDINANCE, UH, TO THIS, UM, UH, HOUSE BILL, I GUESS.
AND THAT, UM, SO I, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS RIGHT NOW.
I I REALLY DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ERIC HAS ANYTHING IN ADDITION TO THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S KIND OF OPEN.
UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE WE JUST, THIS IS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED AND, AND IT'S A NEW FAIRLY PROGRAM.
BUT, SO I GUESS MAYBE WHAT I CAN ANSWER IS WE HAVE AT LEAST 60 DAYS FROM THE TIME IT'S SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR THAT NOTHING CHANGES FOR US.
SO WHATEVER WE ARE DOING TODAY, WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO AT LEAST FOR 60 DAYS AFTER IT'S SIGNED.
NOW, DURING THAT TIME, WE WILL DO FULL ANALYSIS.
CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL OBVIOUSLY LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
AND IF THERE IS ORDINANCES THAT WE CANNOT HAVE ANYMORE, THEY'RE GONNA LET US KNOW.
AND IF THEY NEED TO BE MODIFIED, WE, WE WILL.
AND THE BOARD WILL BE, I DUNNO, THE IMPACT YET AT THIS POINT.
AND IN, IN ADDITION, IF THAT HAPPENS AND IT ALSO AFFECTS THE PROPERTY CODE ISSUE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION TO MODIFY OR ARE WE GONNA, IS THAT GONNA BE WORKED OUT AS SOON? AS SOON AS WE HAVE DETAILS? UH, IF IT AFFECTS THIS BOARD, DEFINITELY WE'RE GONNA BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND WE, WE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY A SIGNATURE AWAY IS WHAT IT IS.
I WAS IN THE CAPITOL YESTERDAY, UH, THEY ADDED IN SOME AMENDMENTS.
IT'S NOT AS CLOSE AS YOU THINK IT IS.
I MEAN, A FEW DAYS AGO IT WAS ALMOST LIKE IT'S GONNA BE SIGNED VERY SOON, BUT HONOR, WELL, AS OF YESTERDAY, YOU SAID IT HAS PASSED BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
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PASSED.SAID IT HAPPENED AFTER I LEFT.
YEAH, IT PASSED AS OF YESTERDAY ALONG WITH THE 14, 15, AND 12, WHICH ALL DEAL WITH THE TRANSGENDER STUFF.
SO NOW THEY'RE JUST SENDING IT OVER FOR SIGNATURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CITIES ARE NOW.
IN FACT, THAT'S ALSO IN ONE OF THE ARTICLES THAT'S IN THE THING TOO.
UH, DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT FIVE HAVE ALREADY MADE COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I GOT THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA TALK TO.
TUESDAY'S MEETING, I DO BELIEVE IT IS, IT'S COMING UP FOR, FOR REAL QUICK, THIS IS LEGAL.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE WILL, UM, WHEN WE LEGAL WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GO, WHAT'S, UM, EVERYTHING IS FLUSHED OUT.
SO WE, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE FOR US TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO.
I PROMISE YOU LEGAL WILL LET YOU KNOW.
YOU AND I BOTH KNOW AVITAS WATCHING YOU AND SHE'S ALREADY BLOWING UP MY TEXTS, SO I PROMISE SHE'S TEXTING.
I PROMISE YOU, YOU'LL, YOU, YOU'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO STAY AHEAD US SO WE DON'T GET CAUGHT.
YOU, I I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT STAYING AHEAD.
WE WILL ALREADY HAVE YOU AHEAD, I PROMISE YOU THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UH, SS A P M C MAINTENANCE UPDATES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
WHAT'S UP? DANNY? WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A LONG TIME.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, HASN'T US? YES, YOU HAVE.
DANNY LEE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, SO I'M GONNA QUICKLY GO OVER SIX SLIDES.
UM, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, YOU GUYS WERE PROBABLY INVOLVED, WELL, AND MOST OF YOU GUYS WERE INVOLVED IN THE, UH, UH, S A P M C, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AMENDMENT PROCESS THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, WE STARTED THE PROCESS AROUND THE APRIL TIME PERIOD, AND WE HAD A TOTAL OF EIGHT SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, UM, TWO COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR COMMUNITY MEETINGS RATHER, BEFORE WE STARTED THE PROCESS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS AFTERWARDS.
SO A TOTAL OF 12 MEETINGS, ALL IN ALL.
UM, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS, I UNDERSTAND EACH OF YOU GUYS GOT A COPY OF THE 2021 S A P M C BOOK, UH, EARLIER THIS MONTH.
AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO IS QUICKLY, UH, KIND OF BRING UP TO SPEED ON SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT CAME AFTER, UH, WE PRESENTED TO THE FULL BOARD, RIGHT? SO, UM, JUDY, IF WE CAN START WITH THIS.
SO I, I WON'T GO OVER THIS HERE.
YOU GUYS MAY HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE HERE, UH, ALREADY, BUT YOU KNOW, BEFORE, UH, OVERALL, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAME, UH, TOGETHER AND THERE WAS 83 PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
66 OF THOSE PROPOSED MENS WERE UNIQUE IN A SENSE THAT THEY WERE, UH, NOT IDENTICAL OR VERY SIMILAR TO ANOTHER PROPOSAL AMENDMENT.
UH, OVERALL TOTAL, THERE WAS 28 THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, 38 THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
AND THERE WAS FOUR GENERAL COMMENTS AND NO ACTIONS WERE TAKEN.
THE MAJORITY OF OUR, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME THROUGH WERE IN CHAPTER ONE, RIGHT? THAT'S GONNA BE OUR ADMINISTRATION SECTION OR ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION.
THOSE SECTIONS THERE, UM, REALLY APPLIES TO THE SCOPE OF THE AUTHORITY, REALLY THE CODE OFFICIAL AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
UH, THERE WAS A FEW IN THE GENERAL DEFINITION SECTIONS, CHAPTER TWO.
UH, THERE WAS ONE IN CHAPTER FOUR, AND THEN ONE IN CHAPTER SEVEN SECTION, NO, CHAPTER FOUR, CHAPTER FOUR, THAT DEALS WITH LIGHT VENTILATION AND OCCUPANCY.
THERE WAS ONE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WAS PUSHED THROUGH.
SO THESE WERE SOME OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE PUSHED THROUGH INITIALLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, AGREED THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY FURTHER CLARIFY, UH, THAT DEMOLITION WAS THE LAST RESORT.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, CHAPTER SIX REALLY DEALS WITH DEMOLITIONS.
UH, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SPELLED OUT IN OUR SS A P M C PROCESS AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH AS PRACTICE, WE ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT IS OUR LAST RESORT.
WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE EMPHASIZE AS SUCH IN OUR SS A P M C CODE.
UH, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT OF CHAPTER TWO, OR EXCUSE ME, SECTION 1 0 7 0.2, WHERE WE INFORMED THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE RIGHT TO APPEAL.
UM, AGAIN, THAT'S ALREADY PART OF OUR STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT.
IT ALSO IN OUR SS A P M C, UH, THERE WERE SOME AMENDMENTS, SOME DEFINITIONS.
UH, WE ADDED THE DEMOTION OF ACCUMULATION TO FURTHER CLARIFY EXACTLY WHAT ACCUMULATION MEANT.
UM, AND THEN WE AMENDED THE, UH, DEMO DEF, EXCUSE THE DEFINITION OF EMINENT DANGER, UH, AND ADDED THE LANGUAGE REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD.
AND THEN WE AMENDED THE DEMOLITION
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OF, OF, UH, COST OF SUCH DEMOLITION EMERGENCY REPAIRS.WE OMITTED DEMOLITION AGAIN, SINCE DEMOLITION IS REALLY COVERED IN CHAPTER SIX.
AND WE REPLACED THE WAR WITH ABATEMENT.
AND THEN WE AMENDED CHAPTER, EXCUSE ME, 7 0 2 0.4, UM, JUST TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE I P M C, WHICH IS INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE.
UH, CURRENTLY USED TO READ, OR BEFORE I USED TO READ IT, EMERGENCY ESCAPE OPENING.
SO EMERGENCY ESCAPE AND RESCUE OPENING NOW IS JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE I P M C.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WE WERE HERE IN SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR.
UH, THE FULL BOARD, UH, REVIEWED ALL THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
UH, WE TOOK IT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE ON SEPTEMBER 22ND.
UH, AT THAT POINT, THE COMMITTEE HAD THEIR, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ALL INTRODUCED TO COUNCIL, UH, AND I GUESS APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON NUMBER 10TH OF 2022.
UH, THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT WAS, UH, PUSHED THROUGH, UH, WAS TO, UM, AMEND OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS, OUR NOTIFICATION FORM, UH, 1 0 7 0.2.
UH, REALLY, I WON'T READ EACH ONE, BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFERING TRANSLATION SERVICES AND ASSISTANCE.
UH, WHEN WE DO A NOTICE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN OUR, OUR CURRENT STANDARD SS A P M C NOTICE, AND WE REVISED OUR NOTICES TO INCLUDE, UM, ONE, THE OUTREACH, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S A LETTER, THERE'S A STATEMENT IN SPANISH THAT SAYS, HEY, IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, PLEASE CONTACT THIS NUMBER.
UM, AND WE ALSO PUT A, UM, ESSENTIALLY JUDY, THE B S B LIAISON, UH, CONTACT INFORMATION ON THAT NOTIFICATION FORM AS WELL.
SO IN THE EVENT SOMEBODY WANTS TO APPEAL, UH, THEY KNOW WHO TO CALL AND THEY'RE NOT, UM, RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PERSON TO FILE AN APPEAL.
SO AGAIN, WE DID AMEND ALL OUR FORMS TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED AMENDMENTS.
AND SO THAT'S ALREADY, UM, BEING USED BY OUR TEAM TODAY.
THE OTHER SECTION WE AMENDED, OR EXCUSE ME, WAS PROPOSED AS WELL, WAS 1 0 8 0.4 PROHIBITED OCCUPANCY.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SAYING THAT, UH, THAT THE CITY WILL AGAIN, UH, NOTIFY IMMEDIATELY OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UM, ANY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HELPING TO ASSIST WITH THE PROGRAMS, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE HERE, WE'RE TALKING NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING SERVICES, THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES, THOSE AGENCIES THAT WE GO OUT TO THAT SEEK ASSISTANCE FOR RELOCATION OR FOR UTILITY ASSISTANCE, OR IN THE EVENT WE HAVE A NOTICE TO VACATE, UM, WE CONNECT WITH THEM, UM, IMMEDIATELY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP FAMILIES IN NEED OF, OF WHATEVER SYSTEM IS NEEDED.
I, I MENTIONED WE AMENDED THE DEMOLITION, THE DEFINITION OF, UM, IMMINENT DANGER AT THE WORD LIKELY REASONABLE OR REASONABLE LIKELIHOOD.
UH, SECTION 1 0 8, 0.2 0.1 AUTHORITIES TO DISCONNECT SERVICE UTILITIES.
UM, ALL THAT RAISED PRIOR TO DISCONNECTING UTILITIES THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONNECT WITH THE, UM, THE OCCUPANT WITH THE RESPECTFUL OR RESPECTIVE ORGANIZATION THAT'S GONNA ASSIST.
RIGHT? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THESE, UH, WHAT WE CALL OUR PARTNERS, D H SS N H S D, UH, THAT WE CONNECT WITH THEM PRIOR TO, UH, ACTUALLY DISCONNECTING UTILITIES AND MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE OR INDIVIDUALS HAVE A RIGHT, A SAFE PLACE TO, TO BE RELOCATED TO AS WELL.
THE LAST TWO AMENDMENTS, UM, IS REALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH IT.
IT'S SIMPLY SAYING THAT PRIOR, UH, FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THE CODE OF FISH TAKING THE ACTION, UH, THAT HE WILL CONSULT WITH, UM, REALLY WHOEVER HE NEEDS TO CONSULT WITH PRIOR TAKING ANY ACTION, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, AS PRACTICE, THAT'S ALREADY, AND, AND WE DO THAT ALREADY TODAY, UH, BUT JUST CODIFIED IT NOW TO SPELL IT OUT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTOR HAS THE AUTHORITY TO REALLY CON REALLY, I GUESS, CONSULT WITH WHOEVER NEEDS TO MAKE THE, THE RIGHT DECISION AT THE TIME.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST PART WE ADDED WAS THE NOTICE TO VACATE.
WE ADDED, UH, THE WORD WRITTEN JUST TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN, ALL OUR NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS, OR EXCUSE ME, NOTICE TO VACATE ARE IN WRITING ALREADY.
SO WHAT WE JUST EMPHASIZE OR IN, IN WRITING.
AND THEN AGAIN, ADDING THE B S B LIAISON AS THE, UH, A POINT OF CONTACT, IF YOU WILL, ON THE NOTICES.
SO AGAIN, UH, JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE VACATE ORDER OR THE NOTICES HAS A PERSON OF CONTACT, UM, FOR REFERRALS OR ASSISTANCE.
UM, OKAY, AGAIN, THOSE WERE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE JUST WE GO FULL CIRCLE WITH YOU GUYS.
UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UNDERSTOOD.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS WERE INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE OVERALL PROCESS, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS, UM, KIND OF UNDERSTOOD THE CHANGES THAT CAME AFTER WE MET HERE AS A FULL BOARD BACK IN SEPTEMBER.
OKAY? SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DANNY? UH, IT'S ROBERT AVI.
SO WHEN IS THE NEXT REPRINTING OR OF, OF THE, THE A, THESE AMENDMENTS? WELL, OR HOW OFTEN DO WE DO THIS? THE, THE, THE NEXT? WE DO IT EVERY THREE YEARS, RIGHT? EVERY THREE YEARS.
AND OF COURSE, WE FELL A LITTLE BEHIND WITH THE PANDEMIC, RIGHT? WE SHOULD HAVE STARTED THIS PROCESS IN 2021, OR EXCUSE ME A LITTLE.
UH, SO THE NEXT CYCLE WOULD BE 2024.
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I DON'T THINK WE'VE DECIDED ENTIRELY JUST YET IF WE'RE GONNA START THAT PROCESS.'CAUSE WE WOULD'VE STARTED ESSENTIALLY NOW TO GET IT ON BEFORE.
UH, SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT I'LL DEFINITELY CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU AS FAR AS WHEN THE NEXT STEP.
BUT IT'S EVERY THREE YEARS, SO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 20 21, 20 24.
OKAY, NOW WE HAVE COMPLIANCE ASSISTANCE.
THERE'S ANOTHER STRANGER HERE.
MY NAME IS MICHAEL ESTI, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
I'M HERE TO GIVE YOU THE, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE, UH, THE COMPLIANCE FUND UPDATE.
UH, SO THE SUMMARY IS THAT FOR THE FINES AND FEES, FOR THE, UH, THE AMOUNT THAT'S GONE TO COMPLIANCE FUND, WITH ALL THE CITATIONS OUT, THEY TAKE $20 OUT OF EACH CITATION.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FINES ACTUALLY PAID.
THOSE ARE THE AMOUNT THAT ACTUALLY GO TO FINING AN INDIVIDUAL.
THOSE ARE BEEN, THE, THE AMOUNT THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED IS $61,825 FOR THE, FOR A TOTAL OF FINES AND FEES COLLECTED OF $70,580.
THE TOTAL NUMBER OF FINES ISSUED, UH, TWO, UH, TWO PEOPLE HAVE VIOLATED THE CODE IS $421,000.
THERE'S STILL, UM, AMOUNT DUE IN FINES AND FEES OF $378,000.
UH, $378,655 AND 200, SORRY, $28,000 IS, UH, LEFT IN FEES, DUES, $28,235.
THIS YEAR WE STARTED THE COMPLIANCE FUND WITH ABOUT $15,390.
HOWEVER, WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT.
THAT PROJECT IS $9,962 AND 76 CENTS.
IT'S GONNA BE REPLACING SOME SIDING ON A PROPERTY.
AND, UM, WE'LL STILL HAVE ABOUT $5,427 AND 24 CENTS LEFT OVER WHEN THAT'S DONE.
UH, SO ONCE WE GET THAT ONE PROPERTY TAKEN CARE OF, WE'LL HAVE ABOUT 65% OF OUR BUDGET TAKEN CARE OF FOR THAT.
AND WE'RE WORKING ON SOME ABATEMENTS WITH SOME NEEDY PROPERTY OWNERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO GET THEIR PROPERTIES CLEANED RIGHT NOW.
SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOME MORE COMING UP PRETTY SOON TO HELP SOME CITIZENS.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
JUST GONNA BE MOVING ALONG ON THE AGENDA HERE.
WE WANTED TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT OUR ORGANIZATION CHART.
UM, ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS JENNY RAMIREZ.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT.
AND IT IS KIND OF SMALL PRINT FOR ME,
WE DO HAVE SOME NEW SUPERVISORS, UH, WE WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT HAVE RECENTLY BEEN HIRED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
UM, TWO OF 'EM IN THE LAST, I THINK MONTH AND A HALF.
I THINK BEEN HERE ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF.
UM, THEY'RE ALL VETERAN OFFICERS AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, ELISA VALDEZ, WHO IS NOW ASSIGNED TO THE EASTFIELD UNIT, WHICH IS DISTRICT TWO AND THREE.
SHE WAS PREVIOUSLY A, A DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICER AND HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO SUPERVISOR.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE WEST CENTRAL, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT FIVE COUNCIL DISTRICT IS ANNA RODRIGUEZ.
SHE WAS A PREVIOUS, UM, FIELD OFFICER AS WELL AS A NET OFFICER AND HAS DONE SOME SPECIAL PROJECTS AND HAS THAT, UM, EXPERIENCE UNDER HER BELT.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING THEM ON BOARD TO THE FIELD UNITS.
UH, ONE NEW ASSIGNMENT OR THE, THE NEXT NEW HIRE, UM, IS MEGAN HAAS.
SHE'S ACTUALLY BEEN ASSIGNED TO OUR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT'S STILL PRETTY RECENT, WITHIN THE LAST WEEK, SO WE DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THAT UPDATE, BUT WE DON'T WANNA FORGET ABOUT HER AS WELL.
'CAUSE WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BRING THAT ON TO GET OUR TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR NEW HIRES AS WELL AS FOR CURRENT IN-SERVICE, UH, EMPLOYEES BACK ON TRACK.
SO WE'RE VERY, VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE DO HAVE VACANCIES LISTED, BUT WE ARE WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO GET THOSE POSITIONS HIRED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE DO HAVE, LET'S SEE, I THINK THE LAST COUNT, I THINK IT WAS AT 10 IS WHAT WE WERE HOLDING SOME KIND OF STEADY AT, BUT WE'RE ROLLING THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
A COUPLE OF DANGEROUS PREMISE OFFICERS DUE TO PROMOTIONS AND RETIREMENTS, UM, AND THEN FIELD FIELD VACANCIES.
BUT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? GOOD JOB.
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NEXT ITEM IS THE PANEL LAYOUT FOR BOTH PANEL A AND PANEL B FOR OUR, UH, BUILDING STANDARDS BOARD.THIS AGAIN, IS SOMETHING WE ARE DILIGENTLY WORKING TO KEEP A FULL, FULL MEMBERSHIP AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE TWO VACANCIES.
ONE, OR I'M SORRY, THREE VACANCIES, ONE IN PANEL A IN CITY COUNCIL, DISTRICT SEVEN, ONE IN PANEL B, COUNCIL DISTRICT 10 AND ONE AT LARGE POSITION.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY POSITIONS HOLDING OR APPLICATIONS? NONE THIS TIME.
THE NEW TERMS. THE NEW TERMS. OKAY.
SO YES, WE'LL BE WORKING TO GET THOSE POSITIONS FILLED ONCE A NEW POSITION, UH, THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TAKE A, UM, TAKEOVER.
IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? YEAH.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST FOR THE LAST UPDATE IS ATTENDANCE.
AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB BOARD, UM, SINCE GOING BACK INTO IN-PERSON MEETINGS, UH, I THINK WE'VE DEFINITELY TAKEN THAT, UH, MOMENTUM AND CONTINUE TO, UM, UH, KEEP TRACK AND ENSURE THAT WE HAVE FULL BOARD, FULL, UM, ATTENDANCE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE DO KEEP TRACK AND WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S DILIGENCE IN, UH, IN FOLLOWING UP AND ATTENDING THESE BOARD HEARINGS.
AGAIN, WE KNOW WE HAD THIS WEEK, UH, OR THIS MONTH ALONE.
WE KNOW THIS IS A THIRD OR A SECOND FOR SOME.
SO WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, UH, DILIGENCE IN, IN MAKING THESE, UH, THESE HEARINGS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. JENNY ON THE VACANCIES ACROSS THE BOARD? FOR THE BOARD OR FOR THE, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD OF VACANCIES? YES, SIR.
UM, THERE'S STILL CURRENT MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR THE HIRING OF THOSE VACANCIES, CORRECT? FOR THE FIELD STAFF? YES, SIR.
AND I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET A LITTLE BIT ON THE NUMBERS.
UH, THE BUDGET HEARING, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
NOT, NOT SPECIFICALLY THE BUDGET, BUT IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK TO GET YOU ANSWERS ON THOSE.
WELL, A LOT OF IT IS, IS IS THE OUTSTANDING STUFF IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BOARD OR FOR THE PROGRAMS MM-HMM.
AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, NO SIR, WE HAVE NOT LOST ANY MONEY WITH OUR BUDGETARY ITEMS. WE DO, WE ARE GENERAL FUND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
UH, SO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS THE MAIN DEPARTMENT, BUT WE FALL AS A DIVISION OF, OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GENERAL FUND.
SO THOSE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED TO US AND WE DO WORK VERY DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE WE SPEND THAT, THOSE FUNDS CORRECTLY.
AND THAT WE DO NOT GO OVER OUR BUDGET NOR COME UNDER THE BUDGET.
SO IT IS A VERY FINE LINE THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS, BUT WE'VE NOT LOST ANY FUNDS, UM, WHETHER FOR STAFFING OR FOR THE DEMOLITIONS OR FOR THE CLEAN AND SECURES OR ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE VERY CLAR CAREFULLY WEEKLY.
WE'RE, WE'RE MONITORING THOSE WEEKLY TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE STAYING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT TO, TO SPEND WHAT WE HAVE AND TO SPEND IT DUE DILIGENTLY.
UM, BUT TO ALSO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOSING THOSE FUNDS AS WELL.
BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST, WELL, WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THERE, THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE SAYING THAT WE HAD WITH THE FINES AND STUFF THAT KILLED US ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE THEY SAID WE HAD IT, BUT WE DIDN'T.
UH, THE FUNDS IS A SEPARATE, IS A SEPARATE PIECE.
UM, I WOULDN'T, I, I DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE ON HOW THAT COMES IN, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GENERAL FUNDS, EVEN ANY FINES THAT ARE COLLECTED GO BACK TO THE MAIN BUCKET OF GENERAL FUNDS, WHICH IS THE BIG CITY, UM, GENERAL FUND BUCKET.
SO WE, WE DON'T GET ANY, ANY TYPE OF FINES THAT ARE DONE TO THE, UM, WHETHER IT'S A COURT FINE OR WHETHER IT'S A, A CLEANING FEE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ALL GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT DOESN'T COME BACK AS A PLUS OR MINUS.
THERE ARE SOME LEDGER BALANCES PLUS OR MINUSES ON THE LEDGERS AS FAR AS WHAT ARE WE TRACKING, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO WORK TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COLLECTING AND, AND KEEPING ON THE BOOKS.
AND THAT MAY BE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
BUT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PLUS OR MINUS FOR US AT THE END OF THE DAY FOR OUR BUDGET IMPACT.
BUT WE, WE CERTAINLY WANNA COLLECT THOSE WHERE WE CAN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE CITY FUNDS, BACK TO THE, TO CITY, UH, APPROPRIATION.
NOW, IF THIS NEW PROGRAM WITH DEPARTMENTS, IS THAT GONNA BE GOING IN THE REALM OF PERSONNEL WE HAVE
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OR, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT HIRING ANYBODY ELSE TO THE ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD IT AS A SLIDE ON THERE SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE WERE APPROVED FOR ONE SUPERVISOR.
AND ACTUALLY, IF WE COULD GO BACK, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THERE.
WE CAN SHOW YOU WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE FILLING IN AT TO THE LEFT.
UM, YOU SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD HANDS ENHANCEMENT TEAM.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE DALE RUSSELL, WHO'S A CURRENT SUPERVISOR.
HE WAS KIND OF DOING DOUBLE DUTIES WITH SPECIAL PROJECTS AND PART OF THE APARTMENTS GETTING IT UNDERWAY.
HE'S ACTUALLY MOVED OVER AND WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE APARTMENT INSPECTION TEAM.
UM, SO WITH THEIR BUDGET, THE ORIGINAL BUDGET YEAR, WE ALLOCATED TWO STAFF MEMBERS, TWO FIELD OFFICERS, WHICH WERE PART OF IT.
UM, COUNSEL, WE WERE APPROVED FOR TWO MORE.
SO WE HAVE FOUR FIELD OFFICERS THAT WILL BE FILLING THOSE, THOSE SLOTS, UH, IN THE SUPERVISOR, DEDICATED SUPERVISORS.
SO THOSE ARE NEW POSITIONS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE FILLING AND, UM, AND, AND BACK FILLING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOW PUTTING BRAND NEW FOLKS IN THERE, BUT WE'RE MOVING STAFF IN TO THOSE POSITIONS AND THEN BACK FILLING THOSE VACANCIES THAT ARE BEING CREATED.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO REALLY CREATE NEW, THE ONLY THING YOU DID IS CREATE NEW POSITIONS, BUT YOU'RE MOVING STAFF OVER.
WE'RE MOVING STAFF OVER TO, TO BRING IN SENIOR EXPERIENCED OFFICERS TO ENSURE THEY KNOW HOW TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING AND TO BE AS, AS IMPACTFUL AS POSSIBLE, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN FROM THOSE VACANCIES CREATED, WE'RE BACK FILLING THOSE POSITIONS IN THE FIELD UNITS.
SO THAT'S NOT GONNA ADD ANYTHING MORE OR LESS TO THE BUDGET.
IT'S GONNA PRETTY MUCH STAY 'CAUSE YOU GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL WE HAVE.
SO WE HAVE TECHNICALLY THREE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, OR IS IT THE FIVE THREE? IT'S THE THREE THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED MID-YEAR.
WHEN THIS PROGRAM WAS ENACTED AND APPROVED.
SO WE'RE NOT LOSING OTHER FIELD OFFICES.
EXACTLY, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR IS TO KEEP NO, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT THING.
IT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROGRAM AND TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO HELP RUN THAT PROGRAM IS, IS VERY GOOD.
ARE WE GONNA GO TO REPORT TODAY ON THE 30 DAY NOTICES THAT WE GAVE TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO REPORT BACK TO US IN 30 DAYS OR NOT? THOSE ARE COMING UP IN JUNE.
THOSE ARE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR JUNE.
WHICH WILL BE THE NEXT, THE NEXT BOARD HEARING.
I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS GONNA BE TODAY.
IT WAS, IT WAS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE, THE 1ST OF JUNE.
BOARD MEMBERS NAME'S ALICE GUDO, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MANAGER.
I WILL BE PRESENTING THE LAST TWO AGENDA ITEMS. FIRST ONE BEING THE B S B ORDERS AND ACTIONS FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2022 THROUGH APRIL 30TH, 2023.
FIRST ITEM IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS STRUCTURE CASES TOTAL OF 43.
DANGEROUS STRUCTURED CASES WERE PRESENTED AS FOLLOWS.
THERE WERE ZERO REPAIR ORDERS WITH PENALTY FOR EITHER PANEL A OR B, REPAIR ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY.
PANEL A HAD ONE, PANEL B HAD TWO FOR A TOTAL OF THREE REMEDY WITHOUT PA PENALTY.
ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL REMEDY WITHOUT PENALTY.
ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL DEMOLITION ORDER WITH PENALTY.
ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL PANEL DEMOLITION ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY.
ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL, NO LONGER A PUBLIC NUISANCE.
ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL 30 DAY DEMOLITION WITH PENALTY.
ZERO 30 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY.
17 FOR PANEL A, 17 FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF 34 60 DAY DEMO WITH PENALTY ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL 60 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY.
ZERO FOR EITHER PANEL 90 DAY DEMO WITH PENALTY.
ZERO 90 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY.
ZERO 120 DAY DEMO WITH PENALTY.
ZERO 120 DAY DEMO WITHOUT PENALTY.
ZERO PULLED FROM THE AGENDA IS THREE FOR PANEL A AND THREE FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF SIX, WHICH ADDED UP TO THE 43 CASES.
SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES WERE A TOTAL OF 112 REPAIR.
ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY IS GOING TO BE TWO FOR PANEL A, 12 FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF 14 REPAIR ORDER WITHOUT PENALTY.
48 FOR PANEL A AND 38 FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF 86 0 FOR EITHER PANEL A OR B.
NO REMEDY ORDERED WITHOUT WITH PENALTY AND ZERO FOR IN COMPLIANCE.
NO REMEDY ORDERED WITHOUT PENALTY PULLED FROM THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE 10 FOR PANEL A, TWO FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF 12, WHICH ADD UP TO THE 112.
THERE WERE ZERO SUMMARY ABATEMENT APPEALS FOR
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EITHER PANEL A OR B.AND AS ADMINISTRATIVE ITEMS, ADMINISTRATIVE DEMOLITION READ INTO RECORD FOR PANEL A.
THERE WAS 1121 FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF 32.
HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS READ INTO RECORD.
ONE FOR PANEL A, THREE FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR ZERO RESET ORDERS AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ORDERS AND ACTIONS.
93 FOR PANEL A, 98 FOR PANEL B FOR A TOTAL OF 191.
WE ALSO HAD A TOTAL NUMBER OF MEETINGS HELD FROM OCTOBER THROUGH APRIL, 2023.
PANEL A HAD FIVE MEETINGS AND PANEL B HAD A TOTAL OF SIX.
AND THE NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE NUMBER OF BSS B CASES BY COUNCIL DISTRICT FROM OCTOBER 1ST, 2022 THROUGH APRIL 30TH, 2023.
AND COUNCIL DISTRICT ONE, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 12 DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES PRESENTED 29.
SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES.
EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS WERE FIVE A HOLD HARMLESS, ONE FOR A TOTAL OF 47, WHICH ADDED UP TO 25% OF THE 191 TOTAL CASES.
94% OF THOSE WERE PROACTIVE CASES AND 6%, 6% WAS REACTIVE.
DISTRICT TWO HAD TWO DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES.
19 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES, SEVEN EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS AND THREE HOLD HARMLESS CASES FOR A TOTAL OF 31, WHICH ADDED UP TO 16% AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF PROACTIVE CASES CANCELED.
DISTRICT THREE HAD A TOTAL OF EIGHT DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES.
13 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES AND TWO EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS ZERO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS FOR A TOTAL OF 23, WHICH WAS 12% OF THE 191 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF PROACTIVE CASES.
COUNCIL DISTRICT FOUR HAD TWO DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES.
SIX, SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES.
UM, THREE EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS, ZERO HOLD HARMLESSNESS FOR A TOTAL OF 11, WHICH ADDED UP TO 6% OF THE 191 ALL BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE CASES.
COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE HAD A TOTAL OF 13 DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES, 21 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE EIGHT EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS, ZERO HOLD HARMS AGREEMENTS, AND A TOTAL OF 42, WHICH ADDED UP TO 22% AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF PROACTIVE CASES.
COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX WERE FOUR DANGEROUS PREMISES STRUCTURES.
EIGHT, SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES FOUR, EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS ZERO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS, 16 TOTAL FOR COUNCIL DISTRICT SIX AND 8% OF THE 191 CASES ALL BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE COUNCIL.
DISTRICT SEVEN WAS ZERO DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES.
ONE SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES, ONE EMERGENCY DEMOLITION ZERO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS, WHICH ADDED UP TO TWO CASES 1% OF THE 191 AND A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE COUNCIL.
DISTRICT EIGHT IS ZERO DANGEROUS PREMISES.
ZERO SANTO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES ZERO EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS AND ZERO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS 0% OF THE 191 DISTRICT NINE HAD ZERO DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES.
THREE, SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES WERE PRESENTED.
ZERO EMERGENCY DEMOLITION, ZERO HOLD HARMLESS FOR A TOTAL OF THREE, WHICH IS 2% OF THE 191, 100% PROACTIVE IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 10.
THERE WAS TWO DANGEROUS PREMISES CASES PRESENTED.
12 SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CASES, TWO EMERGENCY DEMOLITIONS, ZERO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS, WHICH TOTALED UP TO 16 CASES, 8% OF THE 191 AND 100% PROACTIVE CASES.
AND THAT IS WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OFFICE? I MEAN, FOR, UM, SUPERVISOR NOW, I'M SORRY,
ON YOUR DISTRICT EIGHT, IT'S ZERO ACROSS THE BOARD.
HOW IS THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT PROACTIVE? THAT WAS A TYPO ON, ON THE ADMIN'S PART, SIR.
THAT SHOULD BE A ZERO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BOARD.
IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OF NOTHING.
BUT IT'S STILL A HUNDRED PERCENT.
YEAH, BUT WHERE, OH, THERE'S A 1%.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF,
WHAT, ANYTHING? I, I GOT A STAFF QUESTION.
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EARLIER THAT THE NEXT UM, 30 DAY NOTICE WOULD BE ON THE 1ST OF JUNE.WELL, ANYBODY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN SHE ASKED ABOUT THE 30 DAY NOTICE, YOU SAID THAT WOULD BE ON THE JUNE 1ST CALENDAR.
WOULDN'T THAT BE PANEL A? ONLY ESTHER READ OFF SOME DATES.
I DIDN'T, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATES OF WHICH POINT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
WAS IT THE FOURTH? THIS IS JUDY CREW.
WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER, WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER FULL BOARD MEETING UNTIL, WHAT? NOVEMBER.
SO HOW IS, HOW ARE WE AS A BOARD GONNA GET THAT INFORMATION? THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A PANEL, A MEETING, NOT A PANEL.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO BEGIN WITH IT.
WHY DON'T WE LET HER ANSWER REAL QUICK, GUYS? HOLD ON.
SO WE DO HAVE, UM, STAFF UPDATES SCHEDULED FOR THE PANEL A HEARING ON JUNE 1ST AND ALSO FOR PANEL B FOR JUNE 8TH.
SO WHICHEVER CASE, THE WHEREVER PANEL THE CASE WAS PRESENTED, THAT'S THE BOARD THAT WILL GET THE STAFF UPDATE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON JUNE 1ST, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY ON MARY LOUISE.
'CAUSE PANEL A HEARD THAT CASE INITIALLY.
AND ON JUNE 8TH, WE HAVE GOLD DUST FOR PANEL B.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I I JUST FEEL A, I'M GONNA SAY THIS AND I DON'T MEAN ANY, I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT.
I JUST FEEL A RELUCTANCE HERE TO DO THIS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GIVE ORDERS, WE ARE SUPPO, Y'ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPLY WITH THOSE ORDERS.
AND IF WE SAY 30 DAYS, WE WANT A 30 DAY UPDATE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SIX MONTHS FROM 30 DAYS, IT'S THE 30 DAY UPDATE.
AND I JUST FEEL A RELUCTANCE ON THE, ON, UH, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, NOT THE CODE OFFICERS, BUT ON MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT, THAT WE GET THIS INFORMATION.
I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT OUR ORDERS EVEN WENT THROUGH? AND SO WE
I, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON BOARD? BOARD, THIS IS LEGAL.
I I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CRYSTAL CLEAR ON ONE THING.
I DRAFT YOUR ORDERS AND THOSE ORDERS ARE SIGNED.
DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS NOT THE ONE THAT TO CARRY OUT THE ORDERS.
THE ORDERS ARE ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY AND RUN WITH THE LAND.
WE HAVE TO LET THE LEGAL PROCESS GO THROUGH AND ALLOW THEM TO EITHER SUCCEED OR FAIL.
AND WHEN THEY DO, WE BRING IT BACK IN REGARDS TO THE 30 DAYS.
I HEAR YOU AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION, BUT WE, WE, IT CAN'T JUST BE EXACTLY 30 DAYS BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A HEARING ON THAT DAY, OR IF WE DO HAVE A HEARING, IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR PANEL A, IT MIGHT BE FOR PANEL B.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE, EVERYBODY HERE UNDERSTANDS THIS ONE THING MANAGEMENT'S HERE, BUT THIS IS RUN BY JUDY KRUM AND I KNOW I, I WANT TO, HOLD ON, LET ME FINISH, PUT THAT ON JUDY, HOLD ON.
THIS PLACE IS RUN BY JUDY CREME.
THAT'S WHY HER TITLE IS LIAISON OF B S B.
SO IN REGARDS TO WHEN SOMETHING COMES UP, HOW IT COMES UP, IT'S JUDY AND JUDY RUNS THIS PLACE PRETTY DARN EFFICIENTLY.
SO, UH, I WOULD, I I'M HOPING THAT WE, UM, GIVE SOME GRACE.
IT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY 30 DAYS, BUT YOU WILL BE PROVIDED UPDATE, YOU WILL BE PROVIDED AN UPDATE ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SAID NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US TO GIVE US UPDATES.
I, I KNOW JUDY DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB.
IN FACT, Y'ALL OUGHT TO GIVE HER A RAISE.
WHOEVER HER BOSS IS, SHE DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB.
AND I WILL NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT LUNCH AGAIN.
UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY 30 DAYS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE PUT 30 DAY REPORTS BY THE CODE OFFICERS IN THOSE ORDERS, WE WANNA HEAR ABOUT IT.
WE WANNA KNOW IF IT'S ANY PROGRESS BEING MADE OR IF NOT, YOU KNOW.
SO I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE SIX MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO QUESTIONS.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING? DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING, MS. BROWN? YES.
DID YOU WANNA MENTION ABOUT THE DART HISTORY THAT YOU HAD BROUGHT UP, UM, LAST WEEK? OH YEAH.
YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WE ASKED FOR IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS BOARD WHEN WE WERE ESTABLISHING THE GOALS AND THE GUIDELINES WAS TO, FOR THE CODE OFFICERS TO PROVIDE US WITH HISTORY.
AND NOW IT HAS BEEN CUT DOWN TO LIKE 22 AND 23.
YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE A, A FAIR DECISION ABOUT PROPERTIES, WE NEED TO SEE THE HISTORY FROM WAY, WAY BACK LONG AGO.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS HISTORY, NOT
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EVERYTHING HAS TO BE MENTIONED, BUT THEY CAN TELL US.THE CODE OFFICERS CAN TELL US, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HISTORY FROM, UH, I DON'T KNOW, 2020.
THERE WAS HISTORY OR THERE WAS, UH, A NUMBER OF CALLS DESIGNATED.
SO HISTORY IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US IN ORDER TO MAKE A FAIR DECISION ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE ARE CALLING THEIR HOMES OR NOT.
SO WE NEED TO SEE THAT HISTORY AND THE CODE OFFICERS SHOULD BE PUTTING IT IN THEIR, UH, THEIR REPORT WHEN WE LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN, WE DID THAT 10 YEARS AGO ABOUT THE HISTORY AND SOMEHOW WE GOT AWAY FROM IT SOME KIND OF WAY.
MS. MS. CHAIR, I, I, AND I APOLOGIZE, I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK.
UM, WHAT, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU REFERENCED DART, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT UNDER WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DART HISTORY? LIKE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE JUSTIFICATION FOR, FOR, FOR A DART INSPECTION? NO, NO, NO.
WE, WE KNOW THE JUSTIFICATION FOR DART.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CODE OFFICERS AND THE HISTORY THAT THEY'RE NOT PROVIDING TO US BEYOND 2022.
I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, SHE'S REFERRING TO SAN ANTONIO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE VIOLATIONS RATHER THAN ELABORATED STRUCTURES.
AND THE ONLY ISSUE THERE WOULD BE IF WE'VE GOT A, A SITUATION WHERE A A, A RESIDENT, UH, IS REPEATEDLY THE VIOLATING, UH, THE ISSUES.
BUT, UH, IN, IN MY CASE, IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE REMEMBER TO ASK THE QUESTION, WE GET IT AND SHE JUST SIMPLY ASKING THE CODE OFFICER TO REPORT IT RATHER THAN WAITING FOR US TO ASK THE QUESTION.
BECAUSE I, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I REMEMBER, BUT ONE CASE WHERE I'D ASK THE CODE OFFICER HOW FREQUENTLY OR HOW MANY THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWER.
SO THEY THEY'RE BRINGING IT WITH THEM.
THEY'RE JUST NOT REPORTING IT IN THEIR ACTUAL REPORT.
I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY'RE BRINGING IT WITH THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ON THE PAPER THAT WE SEE, IT'S ONLY, IT ONLY GOES BACK TO 2022.
BUT IF THERE WERE CASES OR INCIDENTS REPORTED BEYOND 2022 FURTHER BACK, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT TOO.
I I, I DO WANNA MAKE SURE WE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, ARE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SIMILAR VIOLATIONS OR DID YOU HOLD ON OR DID YOU, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST RANDOM VIOLATIONS THAT AREN'T IN FRONT OF THE BOARD ON THAT DAY? BECAUSE IF, IF IT'S AN SS A P M C VIOLATION, UM, AND THREE YEARS AGO THEY HAD, UM, EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR WALLS VIOLATION, AND THEN THEY'RE COMING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD TODAY FOR, UM, OUTSIDE, UM, OUTSIDE PLACEMENT.
I, I, I DON'T THINK IT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER THAT PAST VIOLATION OF THE FENCE OR THE EXTERIOR WALL IN DETERMINING WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN ON OUTSIDE PLACEMENT.
SORRY, I I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK ALL HISTORY IS IMPORTANT.
WHETHER IT WAS ONE VIOLATION OR 12, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELL US WHAT THE VIOLATIONS ARE, THEY CAN SAY, WELL, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT 12 VIOLATIONS IN IN 2020 OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER IT WAS.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SIT UP HERE AND MAKE A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL DECISION TO, TO PEOPLE THAT COME IN HERE AND LOOKING TO US TO EITHER SAVE THEIR PROPERTY OR DEMOLISH IT.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORY EXCEPT WHAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
BUT THAT HISTORY HAS TO BE RELEVANT TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND IF, AND IF, UM, EXTERIOR WALLS IS NOT IN FRONT OF YOU, THEN IT WOULD BE IMPROPER FOR TO USE, FOR YOU TO USE THE PAST VIOLATION OF EXTERIOR WALLS IN REGARDS TO WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OUTSIDE PLACEMENT.
IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT WOULD, WHAT I'M, I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM NOTICE OF THE, THE, THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BRING IN A PAST VIOLATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND THEN YOU USE IT AGAINST THEM FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VIOL HOLD ON.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VIOLATION.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE PROPER.
WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, I'M, I'M TELLING YOU, I'D PROBABLY CALL AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT IF IT HAPPENED.
UH, NO, DON'T, DON'T JUST, UH, MR. BURN, ERIC, ALL, ALL THE, MAYBE TO SATISFY ALL THE CODE OFFICERS SHOULD SEE THIS, UH, PROPERTY OR THIS CASE NOT THE CASE.
LIKE YOU WAS SAYING, THIS PROPERTY HAS COME BEFORE THE BOARD, BEFORE I SURE.
I JUST, I, WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY, MS. BROWN, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO, UM, UH, SQUASH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
I DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THIS BOARD IS MAKING THE DECISION, WE ARE BEING FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND IN BRINGING AN UNRELATED PAST VIOLATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND THIS BOARD TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS TO WHETHER FINES OR ANYTHING HAPPENED, WOULD I I I I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPROPER.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, CITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
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ADDRESSED.I'M TALKING ABOUT CITATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
I DON'T CARE IF, BUT IF WE WERE TO TALK ABOUT CITATIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED AND THE BOARD IS, AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS BRINGING IT HERE TODAY, NOTICE NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT A, IF VIOLATION THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, BUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES HAS, HAS ISN'T GIVING THEM NOTICE HOW THAT, THAT WOULD BE IMPROPER TOO.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE OF THAT VIOLATION IF THAT VIOLATION IS COMING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AND THIS BOARD IS GOING TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IN THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS BOARD, WE ESTABLISH GUIDELINES THAT WE NEEDED TO FOLLOW IN ORDER TO BE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL TO THE CUSTOMERS THAT, THAT COME IN HERE ON ALL PROPERTIES, DEMOS OR SS A P M C, ALL OF THOSE, WE WANTED TO SEE THE HISTORY AND WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT BROKEN DOWN INTO WHAT HAD BEEN PAID AND WHAT HAD BEEN FIXED OR WHATEVER.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY BECAUSE HISTORY IS HOW YOU BUILD A CASE.
YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST LIKE SOMEBODY, IT IS JUST LIKE SOMEBODY WORKING FOR A CORPORATION.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEIR HISTORY, HOW YOU GONNA BUILD A CASE TO HAVE 'EM TERMINATED? YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE HISTORY, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE TERMINATE PEOPLE'S HOUSES, WHEN WE DEMO THEM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE HISTORY.
I, I FEEL BAD, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DEMO A PERSON'S PROPERTY AND I DON'T, I JUST SEE FROM 2022, I FEEL REALLY BAD ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SEE ANY DEMOS IF WE CAN HELP IT.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE HISTORY TO GO BY OR ANY KIND OF INFRACTIONS TO GO BY, YOU KNOW, WE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING FAIR TO THE CUSTOMER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, OKAY.
UH, OKAY, I, LET'S, LET'S TAKE THIS, LET'S TAKE THIS.
SO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO THE CUSTOMER FOR US TO BRING UP AN UNRELATED VIOL? HOW ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN UNRELATED VIOLATION? DO YOU WANT A HISTORY? AND THAT HISTORY IS, IT SEEMS THAT YOU WANT IT TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT NOT RELATE TO THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
IT, WHETHER IT WAS UNRELATED OR RELATED, IT'S, IT WAS STILL A VIOLATION.
AND IF THEY FIX IT, THAT'S FINE.
WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HISTORY THAT WE CAN'T SEE IN ORDER TO MAKE A JUDGMENT ON A DEMO OR, YOU KNOW, ON A BOARD.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD BEFORE WE END.
I'M GONNA ASK FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION RIGHT NOW, PLEASE.
IT IS WHATEVER TIME IT IS, 1:04 PM AND THE BOARD WILL, UM, GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
UH, IT'S NOW ONE 11 AND NO, NO LEGAL ACTION WAS TAKEN IN THE, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
SO, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT HERE? I, I, I GOT, UM, SOMETIMES WHEN THE, UH, THE CODE OFFICER GETS A CASE HANDED TO 'EM AND THEY COME UP HERE AND WE DON'T KNOW THE CASE WAS JUST HANDED TO 'EM AND WE ASK THEM, WAS THE MEETING UP WITH YES, SHE HAS.
AND, AND WE ASK THEM A QUESTION THAT KIND OF CATCHES THEM FLATFOOTED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SURE BECAUSE THEY'RE PRESENTING IT FOR ANOTHER OFFICER WHO EITHER ISN'T HERE OR IT KIND OF FEELS BAD THAT WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE CATCH 'EM OFF GUARD ON SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE ASKED, BUT THEY COULDN'T REP GIVE US THE ANSWER.
IS THERE A WAY THAT THAT OFFICER COULD MAYBE BE A LITTLE MORE BRIEFED IN DEPTH? BECAUSE I HATE CATCHING 'EM FLATFOOTED LIKE THAT.
AND THE QUESTION IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR US.
UH, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YES, WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF.
THERE'S GOING TO BE THOSE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN WHEN WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO CANNOT ATTEND DAY OF.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME VACANCIES WHERE SOME CASES HAVE BEEN HANDED OFF IN THAT I RESPECT, SO THEY CANNOT FOLLOW BACK, GO BACKWARDS TO SOME OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS.
SO THOSE ARE THE, I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THOSE ONE-OFFS.
BUT WE DO ABSOLUTELY AT OUR INTERNAL REVIEWS, WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY.
I OVERSEE THE INTERNAL REVIEWS AND I DO TRY TO PREP THE OFFICERS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND WHEN NEW QUESTIONS COME UP THAT I'VE NOT HEARD BEFORE, I PROMISE YOU I AM TAKING NOTES DOWN TO THEN PREP THEM MOVING FORWARD.
BECAUSE WE DO WANNA BE AS PREPARED.
WE NEVER WANNA BE FLAT-FOOTED ON OUR CASES, NOR DO WE EVEN, I HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN PUSHING OUR STAFF TO UNDERSTAND, TO OWN A CASE.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY'VE HANDED OFF THAT'S BEEN HANDED TO THEM, EITHER THROUGH TRANSFER OR AN OFFICER LEAVING, THAT IS NOW THEIR CASE TO OWN
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AND TO UNDERSTAND AND TO BE PREPARED FOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING LACKING, WE WILL CERTAINLY CORRECT THEM MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY TRY TO, UH, WORK HARD TO DO.
BECAUSE THEY KIND OF, LIKE I SAY, IT KIND OF MAKES HIM LOOK BAD, UH, BECAUSE WE CATCH 'EM.
UH, CHAIRWOMAN? YES, MR. ZUNIGA.
WELL, YOU, UH, RUSSELL AIN'T HERE.
UH, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME PROBLEMS. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF RUSSELL IS BOOED AWAY FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, HE'S VERY THOROUGH WITH US, AS YOU KNOW, HE IS VERY THOROUGH, BRENT.
BUT I MEAN, IF NOT, WE ARE GOING TO GET TO SCHOOL OR, I, I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING ANYWHERE.
YOU BETTER TEACH SOMEBODY WHAT? RUSSELL COULD PRESENT IT TO US.
NO, HE'S, HE'S JUST MOVING OVER.
SO YEAH, YOU, YOU'LL STILL SEE HIM, UH, AND HE IS STILL WORKING WITH, UH, WITH THE INSPECTIONS.
YEAH, HE, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S AN EXCELLENT YES SIR.
EXCELLENT PROPERTY MANAGER, SIR.
I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY A COMPLIMENT.
I MEAN, REALLY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAY, WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM.
I WANT TO COMPLIMENT ALL OF YOU ALL.
AND I WANNA COMPLIMENT THIS BOARD BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU, THIS BOARD WORKS WELL,
THERE'S NO, IF WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT, JUST VOTE NO.
YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE WORK WELL TOGETHER AND IT'S LIKE WE ARE FAMILY UP HERE AND YOU ALL ARE FAMILY TO US TOO.
IT'S JUST NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
AND I GIVE HER ALL THE PRAISE AND COMPLIMENT, BUT ALSO TO THE MANAGEMENT TEAM.
'CAUSE I'M FROM A BUSINESS BACKGROUND.
I'M NOT FROM A CITY BACKGROUND.
AND UH, ERIC, YOU ARE WONDERFUL.
YOU ARE YOU, YOU ARE ARE WONDERFUL.
WE, WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE OUT THERE.
I, I WOULDN'T DARE FORGET SAVI.
AH, WE LOVE YOU AND WE MISS YOU AND WANT YOU COME BACK, MS. UH, BROWN AND UH, MY FRIEND HERE, ALINA, THEY GOT AN INDOCTRINATED MONDAY UNTIL THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.
WE LEFT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.
THEY COULDN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.
MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS DWAYNE NELSON.
BY UNANIMOUS DECISION, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
IT IS, UH, ONE, IS IT ONE 15? ONE 15.